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You're watching the meeting of the dallas city council with mayor eric l johnson.

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mayor pro tem jesse moreno, deputy mayor pro tem gay donnell willis city council members
Chad west,

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zarin d gracey maxie johnson, jaime. Resendez,
Laura.

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cadena, adam. Bazaldua. Lori blair. Paula. Blackmon.

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cathy stewart. William roth cara mendelsohn. Paul e ridley.

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city manager. Kimberly bizor tolbert. City secretary billy ray johnson and interim city
Attorney bert vandenberg.

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all right. I assume that's the end of that. That sounds new and different,
I don't know. Anyway good morning everyone.

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we have a quorum. And today's wednesday, may the 27th,
2026.

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the time is 9:32 a.m. And I now call this meeting of the dallas city council to order.

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our invocation speaker, is our colleague darren and gracey from district three.

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I'm going to turn it over to him for our invocation this morning. Then we'll have our
Pledge of allegiance to the us flag and the texas flag.

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so, pastor, thank you, mr. Mayor. And as chair of cultural arts and quality of life,
I have some ideas about the introduction.

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if y'all want to come see me. Let us pray. Almighty god,
We come before you today with grateful hearts.

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grateful for this great city, for the people who call dallas home,
And for the sacred responsibility that has been placed upon the shoulders of those

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gathered in this chamber. Lord, as we enter into this budget season,
We ask for your wisdom to rest upon this council as we face the difficult work ahead.

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the decisions before us regarding the city's budget are not merely numbers on a page.

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they are decisions that will shape the lives of real families,
Real neighborhoods and real futures where there is complexity,

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grant clarity, where there is disagreement, grant understanding,
And where there is temptation to act from self-interest.

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grant the courage to act from common good. Father,
We lift up the residents of dallas, those who depend on city services for their safety and

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their health. Guide our hands as we make the hard choices a deficit demands.

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let us not shrink from sacrifice where sacrifice is required. Nor lose sight of our most vulnerable neighbors when the pressure to cut is great.

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grant, our city manager, our department heads in every public servant who supports this
Work a spirit of diligence,

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integrity, and creativity as we seek a path forward,
A path toward fiscal responsibility,

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and a stronger dallas. And on this past memorial day,
We pause, lord, to honor those who gave everything so that we might freely gather in this

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room in rooms like this one, to debate, to decide and to serve.

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we lift up the mothers, fathers, spouses and children who carry the weight of the
Sacrifice every single day.

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may they feel the gratitude of a city and a nation that will never forget the price of our
Freedom.

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may the work of this council today be worthy of that sacrifice. Your son's name we pray. Amen. If everyone would please rise for our pledge of allegiance.

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all right. We have a few announcements or special presentations this morning,
So let me see who we're going to start with.

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I think actually we may only have one. So chairman west,
You are recognized for a special presentation.

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thank you mayor. I've got two I believe, and that's okay. I'll just do them both. So monday of course,
Colleagues, was memorial day when families and friends get together for vacationing and

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barbecuing in their backyards. It's important to remember that not everyone had the
Opportunity to enjoy this holiday weekend.

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over 1.3 million soldiers have died while in service since a revolutionary war,
Along with countless first responders.

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memorial day is our time to reflect on their sacrifice so that the rest of us can enjoy
Our freedom and our families during our time off and continue on

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with city business at other times, just like today. Please join me in a moment of silence to reflect on our brave men and women in uniform who
Died protecting us.

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thank you. Next. Mayor, if it's appropriate,
I'm going to read the proclamation for pride month.

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so everybody june every year in the city of dallas is when we celebrate pride month.

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it's coming up here this in the next few days. So I've got a proclamation from the office of the mayor.

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whereas lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender pride month is currently celebrated each
Year in june to honor the 1969 stonewall rebellion in manhattan.

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and whereas, the stonewall rebellion is considered to be one of the most important events
That has contributed to the success of the modern movement for lgbt equality in the united

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states. And whereas the rebellion led to the lgbt movement in america and the lgbt pride
Month,

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where we commemorate the events of june 19th,
1969, and commit to achieving full equal rights and justice under the law for all lgbt

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americans. And whereas june 2026 marks the 57th anniversary of the stonewall rebellion.

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whereas, the lgbt rights movement has made great progress over the years through the fight
For inclusion and equality,

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and is still alive today. And whereas on june 26th,
20 2023, 2003, the united states supreme court in lawrence v texas struck

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down the section 21.06 of the texas penal code,
Ruling that simply being lgbt is no longer a crime in the state of texas.

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whereas, on june 26th, 2015, the united states supreme court in obergefell versus hodges
Ruled that full marriage equality and recognition is a

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constitutional right of lgbt americans in all u.s. States and territories, including the state of texas,
Dallas county, and the city of dallas.

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and whereas dallas lgbt community has been a thriving and contributing sector of dallas
Life,

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business and community, and dallas lgbt residents,
Taxpayers and visitors should feel safe and free from any fear of harassment,

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discrimination and persecution. Whereas, the city of dallas will not tolerate bigotry and
Will continue to work hard to eradicate threats on our communities while encouraging its

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residents to freely express who they are and where is the city of dallas? Adopted the pride flag with the city of dallas seal in place of the city of dallas
Official flag on june 10th,

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2020, and will fly the flag every june to celebrate pride month.

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and whereas the city of dallas became the first city in the nation to adopt our own pride
Flag,

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with the city of dallas seal in place of the city of dallas official flag.

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now, therefore, I, eric johnson, the mayor of the city of dallas,
Do hereby proclaim this month of june 2026 lgbt pride month in dallas,

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texas, signed eric johnson, mayor of dallas. And colleagues,
I want to invite you this friday at 5 p.m.

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we will be raising the flag in the plaza to. To commemorate the start.

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for all the events that are going to take place during pride month. Thank you mayor. Thank you. I don't think we have any more announcements or special
Presentations.

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I think they were all yours this morning. Chairman west,
I'm going to turn it over to our city secretary for open microphone speakers now.

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thank you, mr. Mayor, and good morning. The dallas city council will now hear its first
Five registered speakers.

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I will recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

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any speaker making personal and pertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,
Or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council,

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will be removed from the room. For those individuals who are in person for those virtual
Speakers,

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you will. You will be removed from the session. Individuals will be given three minutes to speak for those in-person speakers.

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you will notice the time on the monitor at the podium when your time is up,
Please stop.

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for those virtual speakers. I will announce when your time has expired. Also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments

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to mayor johnson only your first speaker. County commissioner john wiley price is not
Present.

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harrison. Blair.

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good morning, mr. Mayor. Council, it's an honor to be before you.

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my name is harrison blair, and I lead the nation's oldest black chamber.

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and this is actually our hundredth anniversary year. But I'm here to talk about a very important decision that this council is going to have to
Make here in a very short time.

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I think there is no secret that there is one group that is for saving a building,
And there's another group that is for saving an entire city by revitalizing our downtown.

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we are faced with a generational opportunity or generational mistake.

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but it all depends on who sits around the horseshoe and how you all see what we're going
To do with the budget.

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we all know that there may be some discrepancies on the numbers,
Or people may not agree with the reports that have been given on city hall and the extent

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of the need to repair this building, or the people who just want to patch it up.

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but one thing that we are all clear on is the budget that this city runs on.

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it's a $5 billion budget, and right now it has a $3.2 billion hole in it.

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and this is not the time to go on a spending spree for a place where we conduct government
Business.

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this is the time for us to really think about the services that go to residents.

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and if you put even $100 million into a building that does not produce any taxable
Revenue,

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then that's $100 million that we have lost. And for us,
In a community where we've always had needs and the budget has always been too short,

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we want to make sure that the city is fair with all the residents,
And that we are truly thinking about how this is going to impact us.

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so let me just say it unequivocally and clearly. I am here because I wish to save city hall. I am standing with those folks who understand
That this is an asset that may be a bit too expensive to repair.

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I like a piece of art, and I'm not here in opposition to anybody. But I do understand that if we put this money into this facility,
There are other things in the pie that we will have to ignore.

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and I want to make sure that we make that very clear. The budget is very clear on what we have in it and what we need to put back into the
Facility,

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and it's going to be very expensive to fix. And any x any,
An expert of economic development,

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can look at the budget, look at this building and see that the services and the people
Come before any property.

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so I'm hoping that this council will put people over property and make sure that this
Budget really looks at what the residents of dallas need over the facility.

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thank you. Thank you. Sana saeed. Sana said is not present.

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yolanda williams. Good morning. Can you hear me?

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we can hear you. Okay. Good morning. I'm sorry. It was raining. Miss williams, we cannot. Yes.

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please make sure your video is displayed. Oh,
My video is on. Okay. We can see it. Yes. Okay, good. Good morning.

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it was raining, so I wanted to stay in because my sinuses. And I didn't want my voice to get lost last week.

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and so I watched the entire briefing and you all do have a tough decision to make,
But however,

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I think there's a few council members who are not being honest with their constituents,
Let alone to the city of dallas.

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you know, I am in a position where I'm blessed now,
But I was a park and rec kid where we relied on going to the neighborhood recreation

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center after school and doing summer program. It was a safe haven. So I have to continue to be the voice for those who are less
Fortunate.

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you all have to decide, do you want to save a building,
Or are we going to invest that money into what is really needed?

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some of these communities have aging streets. I am blessed that we just got a new gas line.

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I live in my grandmother home. She lived moved here in 1972.

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they just replaced the gas line, just replaced the water line. Just replace the streets. So think about all the money we can use.

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what you can do with that money. And I just,
You know, it frustrates me to see two council member,

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which I can't call by name d7d12. Want to go to social media and bully everyone.

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I have a lot of respect for council, but I'm also going to speak the truth. I hope that you all ask the city manager to give you all the numbers.

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how many staff members who have got laid off? We are already short and cold compliance. If you're in the southern sector,
You know we have challenges and I hope she.

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you all asked mr. Jenkins what would be what would happen if they decreased those
Recreation center hours.

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we have the seniors who just started going to the rec center. Now, they say they might not be able to keep those programs.

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and let's talk about property taxes. Yes, my property taxes are affordable only because
I've been in this home since 1999.

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but for those of you who feel like you want your property taxes up,
D12 council member for eight years,

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seven years she's been there, she's been saying lord of property taxes. But if you keep that building and invest in that building,
Our property taxes may go up.

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nothing against people who are renting or who live in apartments,
But that they do not have a say so on property taxes they do not pay taxes.

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so I'm hoping that you, council member, ask the city manager for the hard numbers,
And I want to lead with this.

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I'm very disappointed that she's trying to allude to the reason why the bank is leaving
Downtown.

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because the homeless, you all and some of you all have been sitting around the horseshoe
For seven years.

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if you were really serious about cleaning up downtown,
That is your responsibility.

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you are the policy makers. As the city manager,
Give her direction on enforcing the house bill to help clean up the homeless.

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you can't sit around the horseshoe, make decisions,
And then when things go wrong, try to blame the city manager.

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we do not want city hall to go, but unfortunately we do not have the funds.

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so I say keep people over. The building is not acceptable.

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that's your time desperately in the stars to stay in city. That's your time. Thank you. The cowboys. Thank you bruce bleakley.

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good morning, mr. Mayor. Members of the city council. My name is bruce bleakley and I live
At 5725 orchid lane in north dallas,

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near the intersection of preston road and royal lane. And I'm speaking in opposition to the proposed high rise development on the southwest
Corner of that intersection,

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preston and royal. Lately, there have been situations where city planners have invoked the
Idea of character of the neighborhood

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in making decisions about rezoning, such as the winner's tower last fall and even more
Recently,

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day before yesterday, as reported in the dallas morning news another proposal in south
Dallas.

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this proposed development, even with a very slight reduction in the proposed height of the
Tallest building is grossly out of character

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with our neighborhood. The very magnitude of this planned development is inconsistent with
Forward dallas 2.0 adopted by this city council less than two years

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ago, and it's also inconsistent with public statements about neighborhood integrity made
By both the developer himself

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and members of the city council, among many other considerations.

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I'm concerned about the potential increase in traffic congestion,
Which will likely affect the response time of first responders from fire station 41,

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near what is already identified as one of dallas most dangerous intersections.

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please be aware that our coalition preserve preston hollow is in favor of reasonable
Development of this valuable tract of land that should be

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earning much needed revenue for the city. We're simply asking that any development be in
Compliance with existing zoning criteria.

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thank you very much for your consideration and your attention. Thank you. Richard cox.

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thank you, mayor johnson and city council and secretary.

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my name is richard cox, and I'm here today to strongly urge you to oppose the zoning
Change at preston royal.

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the developers are asking for exceptions to long standing zoning laws across all 14
Districts of our.

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the height limit of any of those developments is 54ft.

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yet they are requesting the developer's permission to build three towers,
Reaching up to 26 stories tall.

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this is not a minor adjustment. It's a dramatic rewrite of the dallas zoning policy.

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I emailed each of you examples of successful community retail centers located in or near
Your districts,

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which reflect the true purpose of commercial,
Retail, community, retail, serving neighborhood needs.

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see, our zoning was never intended to support high rise developments.

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if approved, this will create a dangerous precedent that weakens community retail
Citywide.

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we already know what responsible redevelopment looks like in 2019,
You'll remember the tornado.

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the other three quadrants at preston royal rebuilt within 18 months.

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today they're thriving. Robust. Vibrant. In contrast,
This six acre property has remained vacant

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blighted for seven years. It's an ongoing eyesore and public safety concern.

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if these developers truly cared about preston hollow,
They would have addressed this issue long ago.

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finally, developer leland burke recently boasted that this pro.

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on on nbc five. This project is a legacy project for his family and partners.

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city zoning is not about somebody's personal legacy.

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it's about the quality of life to the city of dallas.

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I respectfully urge you to consider this as a no for this project,
And thank you very much for your attention.

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thank you. Stephanie aranda.

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I need you to picture a weekday night at 8:30 p.m. In south dallas. What is the first image that comes to your mind?

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good morning. My name is stefan aranda, a registered voter and resident of district four,
The same area of south dallas where the keys tennis center is located.

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I am here to raise my voice for those who cannot be here today,
Not only for every single child of nearly 200 students registered at kist,

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but also more than 1300 supporters who have signed our petition,
Out of which 65% are your constituents.

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from three zip codes (752) 087-5211 and 75224.

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our community does not support city of dallas,
Awarding the concession of the keith tennis center to impact activities,

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a privately owned company taking over many of our public tennis centers.

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with close to 200 children registered across all programs at tennis center and many of
Them practicing for up to five days a week,

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year round. Keys must remain available to our community and all current programs.

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we need the dallas tennis and education academy. The current not for profit manager of the tennis center to stay and to continue serving
The children from the diverse backgrounds they support.

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the academy combines sports mentorship, academic tutoring,
Leadership activities, and community engagement.

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the staff has created a community where people feel they belong. Our coaches care about the students well beyond the tennis courts.

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it's imperative to keep our youth active, surrounded by coaches that mentor and care about
Them.

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at keys, our children are able to surround themselves with like minded peers that motivate
Them to continue to grow as student athletes and good citizens of our society.

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lastly, losing this program under the current management would be detrimental to the
Community,

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especially to our youth in south dallas, an area that desperately needs exactly what this
Academy offers.

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they provide opportunities that might otherwise be unavailable in our area.

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and now, before I conclude, I want you to remember that image I asked you to picture at
The very beginning.

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well, allow me to share what I see when I think about a weekday night at 8:30 p.m.

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in south dallas. I see the lights shining over the courts at the tennis center. I see kids of all grades from kinder all the way to our seniors who are about to go to
College and who will never be part of any statistic.

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students who have already finished a full day of school. Kids who could have gone home. Kids who could have quit.

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but instead they stayed for two more hours to practice,
To grow. To believe in something bigger than their circumstances.

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and at the end of that long night, exhausted,
Hungry, I hear those kids standing together as one voice,

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chanting words that are more powerful than any statistic ever written about their
Neighborhood.

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I urge you to reconsider and recognize the power that our current programs have programs
That change lives,

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uplift our communities, and provide essential support to our youth. Thank you. Thank you. This includes your first five registered speakers.

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the remaining speakers will have an opportunity to address mayor. I'm sorry. For what purpose? A motion to suspend the rules so we could hear the remaining
Speakers from the city of dallas.

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is there any objection? Hearing none so ordered. All right. Madam secretary. Thank you. Dallas only.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next speaker, daniella ruiz.

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daniella ruiz is not present. Calvin stevens.

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calvin stevens is not present. Bianca beltran.

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good morning, mayor and city council members. My name is bianca beltran. I'm a dallas resident,
A mother, a community volunteer, and someone who has worked with children and families for

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over 20 years. I'm here today to bring awareness to an upcoming agenda item related to
Racket sports professional management concession contract that will soon come

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before the council and could significantly impact keys tennis center and the community
Programs operating there today.

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keys tennis center is more than just a tennis center to my family and to many families
Across oak cliff and surrounding dallas.

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it's a safe place, a mentorship space, and a second home for many of the children and
Youth.

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my son started taking free lessons at keys when he was five years old. Today he has. At 18, he has earned statewide recognition for sportsmanship,
Completed over 100 hours of community service,

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and is now preparing for college. Through his upbringing at keith's tennis center,
He has truly learned the value of community service.

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my 13 year old daughter has been playing at keith's tennis center since she was just four
Years old.

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she is a member of girls on the move, a mentorship program for young girls that meets
Monthly at keith's tennis center.

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this program inspires young girls to be confident,
Build leadership skills, and set positive goals for their future.

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recently, she was awarded a city of dallas grant for a beautification project to help
Improve and beautify keith's tennis center because she considers this her

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second home. As a mother, what I'm most proud of is not my children's accomplishments on
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but by their character, their compassion, their leadership,
And their heart for serving others as they developed.

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much of this is credited to the mentorship and the guidance that they receive from the
Coaches and staff at keith's tennis center.

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keith's tennis center is not just producing tennis players,
They're producing leaders, they're producing mentors,

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volunteers, and young people who care deeply about the community.

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many of these families served would never, could never afford expensive sportsman
Programs.

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keith's tennis center provides affordable opportunities,
Mentorship, structure, and hope for children and youth in our community.

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mayor johnson, I've heard you speak proudly about being a product of disd and about the
Importance of investing in dallas youth.

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you understand how vital it is for children to have a safe place to go to after school,
Places where they feel supported,

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seen, and encouraged. As someone who has lived in oak cliff for over 40 years and
Dedicated my career to working with children and families,

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I can tell you this our community does not need a premier destination for pickleball or
Tennis courts.

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what our community needs are spaces that build character,
Provide mentorship, create opportunity,

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and give children a safe and supportive environment to go. I respectfully ask the council to carefully consider the voices of the family and ask you
To reconsider the contract involving keys tennis center,

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and allow the current management to continue. Thank you. Thank you. Rhonda will be heard from the top.

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you may begin. Good morning, mayor and members of council. My name is rhonda. I live in north dallas in district 11,
And I'm here today as a member of the friends of the dallas public library.

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I believe libraries are both great equalizers and amazing elevators.

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when I visit, I'm always uplifted by what I witness people studying,
Taking classes, or meeting,

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working on their small business, parents reading with children,
And of course, people escaping into wonderful stories.

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libraries are one of the few public places where everyone is welcome.

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where you can work, learn, connect, entertain yourself,
Ask a human for help, or simply exist without needing to spend money in

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quiet, safe spaces, surrounded by neighbors pursuing their own goals and interests.

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no city can truly call itself great without a vibrant library system.

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a recent survey confirmed overwhelming public support for robust libraries,
And many council members have expressed opposition to closures.

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but respectfully, support without action will not keep library doors open without restored
Funding.

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dallas residents will see diminished access to one of our city's most vital resources.

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as I close, I want to return for a moment to the notion of stories.

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what story do we want dallas to tell about itself at a time when so much of dallas civic
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trust is fragile, and dallas is turning the page towards new chapters.

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this budget cycle is an opportunity to make a clear statement about what we as dallasites
Value.

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in other words, it's an opportunity to get something right.

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the friends of the dallas public library is vigorously advocating for the restore of 2.6
Million in a city budget of billions.

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that's roughly the equivalent of $3 a year in a household budget of about $76,000.

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respectfully, I don't believe dallas should diminish its libraries for the metaphorical
Cost of a mcdonald's cup of coffee.

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so today, I respectfully ask the council to restore that 2.6 million for the next two
Fiscal years,

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to give the library time to find solutions for a modern system,
To ask city manager to present a library budget.

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with that funding restored, and to use the sale of skillman southwestern to help fund our
Library.

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thank you for your continued service to the city of dallas. For allowing me to speak and for your consideration for dallas public libraries.

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thank you. Michaela wright.

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greetings to the mayor, secretary and to council.

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I'm here to request reformation in dallas city. Code of ethics and code of conduct in regards to anti-corruption.

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anti-corruption. My. My request is that council,
The city manager and all of the city employees should be required to declare their

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membership to freemasonry or any other secret society or hierarchical fraternities,
Sororities,

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or any societies whose rules or culture require members to support and protect each other.

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this should be mandatory because such rules can create a conflict of interest and leave
Such individuals in compromising positions,

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which can lead to corruption. Whenever a conflict of interest arises,
It should be reported this declaration.

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yes, this declaration should be listed in the register of interests and public,
Published online in a way that's accessible to public,

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to the public, and to the press. If any of the aforementioned or aforementioned
Individuals fail to declare a relevant membership,

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it should be treated as a violation of the dallas code of ethics and conduct,
And there should be serious sanctions.

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this will provide transparency, and it could bridge the gap for residents of of dallas to
Trust in the government.

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on june 14th and 2022, mayor eric johnson declared that day to be east dallas masonic
Lodge number 1200 day.

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just as he can declare a day for this secret society,
Members of members of such societies should declare their affiliation while serving in

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government. Thank you. Thank you, nora soto.

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my name is nora soto. I live in district four. I'm here today to talk about the glaring instability of this year's budget,
The shortfall that has taken over headlines in the weeks leading up to this meeting has

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been a long time coming. Currently, the narrative being shared blames lower sales tax for
The deficit.

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in reality, different lineups of city council members have consistently made sure that
More and more of our money from the general fund is funneled into the police budget.

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at this point, hundreds of residents from all backgrounds have testified that they want
More money to go towards infrastructure,

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arts and culture, libraries, housing and parks.

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instead, each year we have witnessed every department be defunded so that dallas can
Continue throwing money at the police.

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what does dpd do with this inflated budget? Do they lower response times?

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no. Do they lower the crime rate? No. Do they retain the majority of their police officers
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also, no. What they have been doing is paying out ridiculous amounts of overtime.

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even though they hired 300 new officers last year that the chief loves to brag about.

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they spend money to pay salaries for officers that are forced to assist ice in kidnaping
Our neighbors.

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and they pay millions in contracts with warrantless mass surveillance technologies like
Floc and axon.

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the effects of corruption can be seen all over dallas. Our streets are an embarrassment. Libraries are being closed.

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our unhoused neighbors are attacked and harassed instead of being shown compassion.

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and now our parks and rec centers are on the chopping block.

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it should also come as no surprise that even the cuts are inequitable.

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you don't have to be an expensive consultant hired by the city of dallas to see that the
Rec centers and pools that are being closed or having their hours reduced are in

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marginalized neighborhoods, one example being the bachman lake pool,
Reducing hours when highland lake highlands remains untouched.

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dallas is known as the city of hate. Today, that hate manifests itself in the city
Government towards their own residents,

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especially if they are black, brown, poor or immigrants.

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the residents and advocates of dallas demand that you stop stealing our resources to
Further militarize your fascist police force.

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thank you. This concludes your dallas residents open microphone speakers.

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the remaining speakers will have an opportunity to address the city council at the
Conclusion of its city business.

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mr. Mayor. All right. Let's move on to our voting agenda. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item one is approval of minutes of the may 13th,
2026, city council meeting.

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second. All right. There's been a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Seeing
None. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

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the ayes have it. The minutes are approved. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Before we move to your consent agenda.

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you do have an individual who has signed up to speak on all items. Dolores phillips you'll be given three minutes to speak on all items on today's agenda.

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dolores phillips, you have my address. Thank you for allowing me to speak.

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these handouts are filed with the city secretary's office.

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and when we speak, it should be about the truth.

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I stand before you today to say that this was never the people's house.

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it's a place of orchestrating and executing hurt and harm against those who the city
Believe has wronged

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them. You could be a city employee. You could be a county employee.

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you could be an officer. You could be a single mother,
Family father.

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it doesn't matter. From this very building is networking against people who wrong the city
Of dallas.

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that's a fact. So to make sure it's understood,
When I stand before you, I gave you a handout.

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the title of it is robert groden jfk expert settles with dallas after 82 bad arrests.

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and I want you to read this and it'll make sense to you why 1500 moreno is the home of the
Dallas mavericks to bring peace,

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togetherness, to allow families. Communities of the city of dallas and none non citizens
Of dallas to come and make

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memorable moments here at 1500 marilla street.

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the city of dallas battled robert groden for two decades in the court of law.

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three colon ten dash cv 1280 it was sorry. State your point of order.

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this is not germane to the consent agenda. This is open mic speaking.

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this. This is not open mic speaking. This is about whether we stay at city hall or we move
On it.

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okay. Hold on one second.

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I'm speaking on all agendas. I'm going to sustain that point

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of order and ask that you direct your comments. Miss phillips, to something that is on today's agenda.

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it is is it's pertaining to me having the right to speak about the agendas in me saying
That what I'm speaking about is about the

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agenda items. Keep going, but I'm going to need you to to tailor your comments.

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okay. Mayor johnson, whenever you sit there,
You always cut in on my minutes. But that's okay. What I'm sharing with you. Go ahead.

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y'all battled robert groden for two decades. Started in 1994,
And you ended in 2018.

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it was three total lawsuits that robert groden filed.

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with that being said, it was city employees,
Dallas, dpd officers, and also dallas county employees who testified in

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federal court that they were they had a methodical meeting of the minds physical meeting
Of the minds to conspire to harass mr.

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groden and to make him go away. You do that against black people,
White people, hispanic and gay people.

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it doesn't matter if you're angry and it comes right here from this building.

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so stay with me because I'm going to be knocking on doors when I stand before you.

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we are beyond 1500 marilla street. This is for dallas males,
For family, for community, for peace and for happiness and

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togetherness. At is gone. We're going to put mav's logo wear at logos are.

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have a good day. I'll see you next month. Thank you,
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mayor. That concludes your speaker on the consent agenda. We will now move to your consent agenda. Your consent agenda consisted of items two
Through 46.

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agenda item nine has been pulled by council member johnson and was corrected.

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agenda item ten has been pulled by council member mendelsohn council member roth and
Council member johnson jaynie.

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agenda item 11 was corrected. Agenda item 13 was previously deferred by council member
Cadena.

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agenda item 19 has been corrected. Agenda item 21 has been pulled by council member
Mendelsohn.

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however. Agenda item 24 must be considered before agenda item 21 can be considered.

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therefore, item 21 will be held to later in the meeting.

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agenda item 28 has been corrected and has been pulled by council member west.

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agenda item 31 has been pulled by councilmember johnson. Agenda item 32 has been pulled by councilmember west.

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agenda item 34 has been pulled by councilmember mendelsohn. Agenda item 39 has been pulled by council members mendelsohn and roth.

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agenda item 40 has been pulled by councilmember roth. Agenda item 41 has been pulled by councilmember roth.

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agenda item 42 has been pulled by councilmember mendelsohn and agenda item 43 has been
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members, mendelsohn and wrath. Therefore, your consent agenda consists of items two
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11, 12, 14 through 2022 through 27, 29, 30,

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33, 35 through 38, and 44 through 46. Jerry west award purpose.

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I was going to comment. Is there a second? All right.

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the consent agenda is now open for discussion. Chairman west, you recognized for five minutes on consent.

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thank you mayor. I just wanted to point out a couple great items on here.

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items four and five are the community artist program item as number four.

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and then arts activate is item five. These are just really need to be highlighted because
They're great for our local artists.

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the community artist program builds community access to the arts by providing artists at
Public events in all districts.

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this program increases access to artistic services for every resident and allows residents
To see their tax dollars in action.

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last year, the cip supported 66 artists and organizations from every dallas district.

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it also supports small business economy by supporting individual artists as entrepreneurs,

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the arts activate is the oases most requested funding program,
Especially especially for individual artists and smaller organizations that can't be

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eligible for state or large foundation funding. Last in 2024 to 2025, 929 events served. Over 68,000 residents across dallas and

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south and west dallas were especially well served,
With more than 14,470 people attending events in in district one alone.

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so I'm very excited about that. And I will save most of my comments on item 20 for noon
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but I do want to celebrate my colleague, chairman johnson,
For his very exciting housing initiative.

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coming up that we're going to talk more about later on today. Thank you. Chairman mendelsohn for five minutes.

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thank you. I would like to talk about items 14,
15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 37 and 46 all together.

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they're all aviation items, none of which were briefed to the council.

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we're talking about a combined total of $723 million,
$723 million, and we were not even briefed on these

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items. I think that's a problem. One item alone is 620 million is for a lease.

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it says in the item no prior action. It's a lease of something that's already been there.

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but still there's new terms. And I just think this is very problematic for transparency in
Government,

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for us to just not even have any kind of discussion for the public,
For there to be any kind of questioning and answering that's

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happening. And I looked at, should I pull them all individually and make us go through
That process?

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the truth is, we have been briefed on the master plan for love field,
And it's spectacular what this is doing.

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I support every one of these items, but I do think there's a transparency issue when
There's been just no briefing on them.

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so I just need to say that I'll also just call out item 12,
Which is the we have voted a couple times actually on items

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related to campbell green rec centers remodel and expansion.

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campbell green. When it was built, it already looked old. It was already too small for the area just in the time that I've been in office,
The elementary school that's about 1000ft away has gone from

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400 students to 1000. The area is completely turning over.

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old timers like me are moving out so that young families can come in. And so this is so necessary. But still, the senior population in the area is actually,
I think,

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one of the highest concentrations in the city. So the the need for services is great. The bathrooms are extremely problematic.

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the the exercise area is tiny. Like I literally have bedrooms in my house bigger than the
Exercise room.

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and you actually walk halfway through the rec center before you even get to a desk where
There's any employees.

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so this is going to really make this a much more usable space for a lot of people both in
Dallas and collin county.

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thank you. Chairman johnson recognized for five minutes.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. I want to talk about agenda item.

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sorry. Talk about agenda item with the veterans village.

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we've been working with the veterans community project,
And I want to thank the city manager. Her entire team.

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kevin spat her and his entire team for this work.

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we've been. When we first got elected here in june. We've been working on this since june 2025. In eight months,
We're able to build what we call a veteran village for our veterans in our

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city. I believe that if you have served this country and you are a veteran,
We should not have our veterans homeless.

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no, veterans should be homeless. We ought to take care of our veterans. And so we will be doing a veteran village, 50 homes right across the street from the
Veterans hospital in district four.

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patriots crossing, which has been vacant for so many years,
Over a decade.

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I don't even remember the last time I saw a structure there.

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infrastructure there at all. I however, this is going to be a phenomenal project.

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I want to thank our my colleagues. Thank once again,
Thank the mayor, the city manager, and everyone.

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I also want to recognize the veterans community project mister brian meyer.

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jude. And I also have some community members,
Some veterans here from american legion post 292.

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they're right in our community in glendale shopping center,
I see you. Thank you for coming, brother keith and his team.

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this is going to be, once again, a very, very phenomenal project project.

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it'll be 50 homes. It also have its own community center for veterans and its own veterans
Park.

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a gated, a gated community right in the heart of district four on lancaster,
The corridor.

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so I'm excited, mr. Mayor, for this project. Again,
All the work that's gone on since we've been here in a short time of eight months.

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this is the lord's work, and I appreciate every everyone that's had their hands in it.

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countless of meetings countless of conversations,
Sometime late night trying to get this vision right just to make sure that we do right by

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our veterans. So I'm excited. And I want to thank also chair mendelsohn that when I came
Here,

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she said, what can you, you need to look at how you want to serve homelessness in your
Community.

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and so by her pushing me and giving me some ideas,
We was able to do this.

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so thank you so much, chair mendelsohn. And once again,
To our city manager, who has been a champion for this project and working with me and

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getting this across the finish line. I want to thank you so much,
Ma'am, for your dedication and your hard work and understand the vision of in district

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four. Thank you so much. You're recognized for five minutes.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. I wanted to comment on items 15 through 18. Dallas love field, which is located in district six,
Is preparing for the most significant redevelopment in its history.

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the love field expansion airport program is a multi year,
2.5 billion capital improvement program and the largest single investment ever undertaken

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at dallas love field. Leap will deliver 14 major infrastructure projects,
Along with enabling relocation and repurposing projects across terminal,

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airside, landside and support facility areas,
While maintaining safe and continuous operations at a highly constrained and highly

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utilized airport. These items will allow planning will allow leap to move from planning
Into implementation.

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thank you. Chair. Recognized for three minutes.

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thank you. Well, I just want to say I did wear my red,
White and blue for you and for our veterans.

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and you know what? A lot of people looked at trying to do something in that area for
Homelessness.

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but you made it happen and you did it really quickly. And the, the it's just a number of feet away actually from the va.

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so that collaboration that you've been able to activate is really going to help so many
People.

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and I'm very, very excited to see this happen and really appreciate your leadership.

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thank you. Is there anyone else wants to speak on for or against the consent agenda today?

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mayor yo, you're recognized for five minutes. Mr. Bazaldua, thank you. Thank you. Mayor. Something's wrong with the webex is not
Allowing for the hands to be raised.

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I just wanted to talk on item 11. The. This is an item I'm really proud to support.

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and since the loop was first envisioned, I've been a strong advocate for the vision and
The mission because I understood what it could mean for the residents of dallas,

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connecting neighborhoods all across our city. The city, the trinity forest spine trail and parkdale lake project will bring residents
Closer to accessing nature,

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safely, increase mobility, and strengthen connections between neighborhoods that have too
Often felt disconnected from the rest of our city and not had the option to use

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multi-modal modes of transportation. This investment will allow residents to experience
Their communities in new ways and create opportunities for people to

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get where they need to go, whether it's for transportation purposes or recreational
Purposes,

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and just simply enjoying the outdoors. I want to thank philip high and the loop team for
Their tireless work and their partnerships over the years,

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their community engagement and their fundraising efforts,
And thank our parks department and the remaining for the remaining committed collaborators

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in bringing this vision to life. I know the buckner terrace.

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parkdale urbandale neighbors are all very excited to see this extension.

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so really, really excited for this project. Chairman johnson,
You recognized for three minutes.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Just want to have a happy home. My wife is here today. She is a veteran from the navy.

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so I want to thank her for supporting this project and being here to support happy,
Happy life,

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happy wife. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on for or against consent agenda?

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all right, all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Consent agenda is adopted. Madam secretary,
We can move on.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to your first pulled item,
Agenda item nine.

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authorize a one year subrecipient agreement with lone star justice alliance in an amount
Not to exceed $300,000,

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with a one year renewal option in an amount not to exceed $300,000 to administer the youth
Safety violence interrupters program on behalf of the office

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of housing and community empowerment. Not to exceed $600,000.

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this item was corrected and it was also pulled by councilmember johnson.

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is there a motion? Yes. Mister mayor, I would like to make a motion that we defer this
Item until the next agenda meeting.

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second. There's a second. Do you care to have any discussion on the on the matter?

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yes. This is for five minutes. Thank you. I was around in the community as a trustee when
Through your leadership,

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when you brought this program to our community and has done a wonderful job.

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however, I'm, I have not been briefed on this particular item that will be doing a lot of
Work in district four.

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and although I see a lot of some a few people that are here that I work with the
Individual that's doing the work administrator,

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I have not been able to sit down and speak with them. This will also affect not only my district, but southern dallas as a whole.

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and I would like to have a meeting so we can know what's going on and what and how this is
Going to be.

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I think when you did this, mr. Mayor, I think the budget at that time was right about $1
Million,

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900 000. And so what are the administrative fees,
What the work is going to be going on, how this is going to get done effectively and

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efficiently. I have a lot of questions. So therefore I'm just asking for just to be
Deferred.

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so we have time to discuss until next month or the next the next council briefing.

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that's it. Mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Mayor chair johnson, thank you for pulling the item.

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I will be did seconded and will be supporting the item. I do have a question for procurement. On the scoring.

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evaluation. Is the scoring something that has to be held till the contract is awarded,
Or are we

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able to obtain the the breakdown on the scores?

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hi. Jessica galicia, deputy director, office of housing and community empowerment. The
Scoring information is in the agenda information sheet.

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can you. Yeah. So I would just like the I, I see the overall score,
But is there a way to get a breakdown of the scores.

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00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:52,530
so okay. The scoring breakdown was briefed in the memo to quality of life.

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and the, the breakdown was presented in that memo on may 18th.

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the breakdown. Lone star justice alliance scored 95.75.

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do you want me to read through all the. No, no,
I understand and I see the overall scores,

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but there's a, you know, 30 points for organizational capacity evaluation,
30 points for programing work and so on.

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are we able to see how each one scored on each of the four bullet points.

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or is that something that procurement has to hold until until the contract is awarded?

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we have the director of procurement, juanita ortiz,
Here. She can respond, but it was a nofa, I believe. So it was a night.

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juanita ortiz, director, office of procurement services. So nofas, which are grant funded or administered by the departments,
But in general for any other solicitation,

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we can release the ratings. We just do not release the name of the evaluators on the
Committee.

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got it. Okay. Thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn recognized for five minutes.

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thank you. I didn't want to pull this item, but I will say that I continue to be concerned
That community

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violence interrupters are being managed by community empowerment as opposed to public
Safety.

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and the goal is public safety, and the goal is to react once there has been a tragic event
To deescalate,

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to deescalate before there's a tragic event. And this really seems like the work of our
Police department.

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and I think that they might have set up a different scoring matrix.

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I think they may have evaluated organizations differently based on what they see on the
Ground,

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what they see in specific neighborhoods that need very specific attention,
Who have leaders of that community already there.

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and so I would actually even question the placement of this item in that department.

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I might even go further about the entirety of the department's role in the city,
But I am supportive of deferring it

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to continue looking at it and help the council member get his questions answered.

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but I think there's larger questions not on if we should have cvi programs.

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I think they're essential and they've done really good work,
And I've heard the stories in the community where we might have had a very explosive

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situation had we not had the right people there who could talk about the repercussions of
Violence and retribution.

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so I'm for it. I just think it is completely misplaced.

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thank you. Mr. Bazaldua, you recognized for five minutes.

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thank you. Mayor. Yeah, I would like to ask staff some questions.

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specifically with its focus on youth and us approaching actually today being the last day
Of disd what impact would this have

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on our ability to implement this programing? Hi,
Jessica.

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again, housing and community empowerment. So this is first and foremost community
Development block grant funds.

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and the funds were put forward consistent with the approved annual action plan,
Which was approved by this council for fy 2526,

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the current fiscal year. We are already in a situation where we definitely need to move
Forward with our cdbg expenditures,

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of course. So that would be potentially impactful situation in that regards.

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additionally, lone star justice alliance has been working in the community throughout
Dallas,

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but especially in certain targeted communities. They actually have an incredibly, wonderful visual dashboard of youth crime indicators
That includes data from dallas police department as well as juvenile

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justice data. They are well versed in the best practices from leading national and
International cvi organizations such as.

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cure violence global and the vera institute,
And their program and model is designed consistent with established,

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well researched best practices when it comes to violence interrupters and cvi work.

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the proposal that is put forward is a comprehensive proposal that targets specific
Communities due to crime data and other indicators that

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demonstrate risk of crime and behaviors. However,
They are also looking to really anchor and build a coalition and

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ecosystem within this community. I think that,
Of course, as we move into this summer with the emphasis of this work being on their are

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hype center and their trauma informed support for individuals who have committed or and or
Are at risk of being engaged in violent behavior,

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as well as those who have been victims of violent behaviors. Then it, of course, risks losing people. And in the summertime,
By the time we kind of roll deeper and deeper into the summer,

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which of course we know tends to be some of our highest risk months for crime amongst
Youth.

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I think that any days that are lost could be potentially very impactful.

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so basically a delay will impact the service.

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01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:39,020
yes. I believe that any delays would impact the service as well as our ability to expand
Our community development block grant funds in a timely manner.

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01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:47,140
yeah, I would agree with that. I also would ask,
Can you just confirm I believe this was on our agenda as a draft form

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upwards of two weeks ago. Yes, sir. This item was included on the draft agenda that was
Published.

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is that the question that you were asking? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I just want to make sure I think I think it's important to note that we've had ample
Opportunity to reach out to staff and get more information and questions

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answered, especially that wouldn't impact the ability to implement this programing.

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and I think that we've got to be careful on a slippery slope of delaying items just
Because we want our own personal meetings about an item when we have

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ample opportunity to get those questions answered. In this particular case, I know as a former disd teacher just how critical these programs
Really are in the neighborhoods that are going to be

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needing them the most when there's not going to be a whole lot of a support system outside
Of the school instruction hours.

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and so leading into summer, this is the absolute worst time for us to propose a delay in a
Program that's intentionally targeted for students who

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need it at this time the most. I'm just not understanding why we would need delay at all
In that respect.

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this is this is great work. These are programs that are have been supported not only by
Council for years.

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it's also programs that have been supported by our associations and the police department
Because it helps not strain their resources.

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so regarding miss mendelson's comments specifically about where it is housed,
I'd say I applaud our city manager for this being where this is,

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because that's a part of reimagining public safety. Public safety is supposed to be an ecosystem.

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it doesn't fall solely on the hands of law enforcement. Never has, never should. And I don't believe that we can,
On one hand say that we are strained resources with the dallas police department.

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we're trying to look at efficiency exercises and our our our staffing levels,
Etc.

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but yet we want to look at a program like this that is housed in a in a place that is
Meant to be a support to our police department and expect that to

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be thrown in, to continue to bog down our police department.

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that's it's, it's just counterproductive to the overall efforts that this type of
Programing and contractual relationship is meant to,

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to serve our city. So I do not support this. I think this is kind of coming out of left
Field.

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this was briefed at committee. I don't remember this being a topic at committee of,
Of needing to be delayed.

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I don't even remember there being any concerns. So I'm, I'm not supportive of this. I think that we should be looking at this vote as
Doing what we can for the youth in our city and for helping curb some

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of the violent criminal activity that that goes on. That unfortunately does involve our youth. So I would say I would encourage colleagues to
Ask questions to figure out if there are things that you need

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to to work out from now until a vote is taken,
But to not allow for not only these funds to be a jeopardy,

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to not be spent, but also for them not to be spent at such a critical program and for a
Critical population.

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thank you, mayor. I'm going to go to chairman grayson. I'm going to get you in a minute, miss blackmon. So chairman grayson recognized for five
Minutes. Thank you, mr.

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mayor. I won't be supporting the deferral of this. While I do understand my colleague's concerns about that,
I about kind of the process.

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this is something that we've been waiting for and long overdue. It has come through quality of life. And I will publicly I'll take some responsibility in
Not making and not making sure communicating for those

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who are not on public quality of life. Who knew?

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:53,320
who knew about this item? Who had interest in this item for not communicating what this
Item was going to do,

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how it was procured and the details of the procurement and all of those things,
And why I personally was comfortable with this item,

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but also the impact that it would have. I think when we started this process,
We've had the cvi programs in place,

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and they typically focused kind of at south dallas,
Pleasant grove area, and we wanted to be able to expand that.

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and we were able to find those dollars through the cdbg grant funds to,
To do that and carry it forward into this and be able to expand it over

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into some of those areas of needs. Understanding there's some needs in deep ellum that may
That could benefit from this.

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so the way that this was established is that this organization will be the management of
The sort of the administrator of the program.

521
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:40,600
and for those organizations who are interested,
A couple of them are out there in the audience.

522
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:44,960
I wanted to make sure that they understood what was happening as well,
That they will then be able to write their programs because they're in the community,

523
01:06:52,580 --> 01:06:52,580
serving those communities, so they know how best to write the programs to meet the needs
Of those kids in those communities.

524
01:06:59,340 --> 01:07:01,980
at south oak cliff and other areas around there. So it's really meant to establish the administrative,
The administration side of it and give the other nonprofits that are in the community

525
01:07:09,500 --> 01:07:09,500
remove the burden of the administration of the program,
But give them the focus of serving those people right there in the community as far as

526
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:17,700
whether it should be the d, p, d, or or this particular department,
I know d, p, d doesn't want to manage a bunch of grants,

527
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:28,020
so they're not going to do that. So that's why all of this was established the way it was. And I and I'm in agreement with how this program has evolved.

528
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:31,140
and I continue and I think that it will continue to evolve as we continue rolling out and
Identifying more and more nonprofits who want to serve in this

529
01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:40,540
community. So for that very reason, and having just dropped my 16 year off for the last
Day at carter this morning,

530
01:07:46,820 --> 01:07:46,820
I don't want to delay it because summer is coming and it's time.

531
01:07:50,890 --> 01:07:50,890
and this is something that we have all been waiting for,
Really, since, I think at least a year and a half trying to get this going.

532
01:07:56,650 --> 01:07:56,650
so I don't want to delay it. I do appreciate my my colleagues concerns,
And I'm happy to talk and,

533
01:08:02,330 --> 01:08:02,330
and have staff come and talk to them. But again,
I do want to take full responsibility for not communicating some of that to to my

534
01:08:08,330 --> 01:08:12,210
colleagues there because it is a shared responsibility in that such. But again, I support this and I support the structure of it and the thoughtfulness of it,
Because it does.

535
01:08:17,290 --> 01:08:17,290
again, it gives those smaller nonprofits the ability to do what they've been doing all
Along.

536
01:08:22,930 --> 01:08:22,930
now they have the financial support to do it in a way to better serve and better reach
More people.

537
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:30,410
so I do support this, and thank you all for being here. For those who are in the audience anticipating this,
Thank you for doing this, and thank you for doing this without asking for money,

538
01:08:38,970 --> 01:08:38,970
but being here to receive it so that you can better serve.

539
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:43,370
so thank you all. Thank you, mr. Mayor. This blackmon recognized for five minutes.

540
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:49,160
thank you. My question is for staff and it's specifically around what would a delay
Actually do to this project.

541
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:05,800
so a delay in the hearing, of course, would be a delay in the launch of the services.

542
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:11,960
so the present the program is presented. I'm trying to find it on my page and in two
Phases.

543
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:20,040
in terms of how they're building their outreach and engagement in months one through six
And then moving on to months seven through 12.

544
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:29,920
so again, the program actually starts with street outreach and peer supports and credible
Messengers community based

545
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:39,720
organization referrals. They have a partnership with dallas police department focused
Deterrence.

546
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:45,390
so they receive referrals through that program as well. And they have partnerships with
Adult probation as well as juvenile justice.

547
01:09:51,270 --> 01:09:51,270
and they have community supervision, referrals from adult probation. They also have the
Juvenile probation referrals for the youth who are aging into young

548
01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:04,190
adulthood. And then they also accept and receive self-referrals. So that is the first stage of the program. As they move forward into months seven through
12 the outreach efforts actually expand

549
01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:14,190
to support that continuum of care and really start to expand to include early
Identification and prevention and outreach for younger youth as well.

550
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:23,990
so that would be back into the school year. And they start also integrating school based
Youth serving ecosystems and community based and continued

551
01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:33,670
credible messenger outreach, as well as family initiated outreach.

552
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:38,390
so collectively that brings together their two tiered approach to,
To develop and build this ecosystem across what they outline

553
01:10:48,380 --> 01:10:48,380
as three categorical areas around youth interrupter or violence interrupters programing
And best practices.

554
01:10:57,740 --> 01:10:57,740
so I think that beyond that of course, is the community development block grant component
Of that,

555
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:03,500
that we are in the current fiscal year. And so,
You know, that's another component which could make things challenging,

556
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:13,700
of course, until the contract is authorized,
The services can't start. And so that is just the, the practical and straightforward answer to that.

557
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:19,100
okay. So money could be just moving. It kind of puts the money in an interesting position,

558
01:11:25,380 --> 01:11:25,380
but then the project gets delayed even more. And as we said,
We were going into the summer months with school being let out today.

559
01:11:34,060 --> 01:11:37,460
so it's pretty critical to get these resources going. Is that fair to say? Yes. And I think that from the early outreach around the nofa,
The expected time frame for

560
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:46,880
authorization and launch was always around this may,
April into may and june time frame.

561
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:53,440
so I think that moving that into june and especially july so july can be very challenging.

562
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,720
as it relates to community based organizations,
Outreach, crime, everything. July is just a really, really uniquely challenging month.

563
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:06,880
with so much going on so that sometimes can make coalition building efforts and other
Things really difficult.

564
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:13,760
I'll say that even, you know, from our perspective,
When we're doing community based planning or outreach planning,

565
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:19,200
you have to be really particular about july just because of the way different
Organizations schedules tend to be impacted.

566
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:26,960
is there any way that we can get questions answered by the councilman in the next,
You know,

567
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,000
a few minutes or even delaying this because I don't want to delay it,
But I want to honor any information that is needed.

568
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:40,590
and so that's just a curious thought, but but I mean,
We've been talking about this, as mentioned,

569
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:47,350
it's not a surprise. I'm glad that we, you know,
Broadened the program and and so I'll, I'll continue to listen,

570
01:12:54,270 --> 01:12:54,270
but I have a, I think I'm going to be voting no against this.

571
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:01,430
lisa, the city manager's office. Yes, ma'am. We'd be pleased to talk answer any questions
And and come back to you as

572
01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:11,230
appropriate. Mr. Cadena. Recognized for five minutes.

573
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:21,030
thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you all so much for meeting with me. Y'all did meet with me, I think, in between. And I am on the committee,
But I, I have a couple more questions that came up as we've had this discussion.

574
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:27,910
so the group is based out of austin. How long have they been in dallas?

575
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:36,190
actually we have the dallas based group. They're here with us today and we can actually
Bring them down here.

576
01:13:41,620 --> 01:13:41,620
but they have been in dallas for a number of years. Ulisse waters is the chief innovation
Officer and she also runs things here locally.

577
01:13:49,940 --> 01:13:53,220
and I would like to invite her down to answer that question if that's okay. Yeah that's fine.

578
01:14:05,580 --> 01:14:05,580
perfect. Good morning council. Yes. My name is ulisse reeves waters and I'm the chief
Innovation officer for lone star justice

579
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:19,020
alliance. I'm excited to be here with you to be back in the halls of city hall. I say back because I am a former city community prosecutor and from the dallas city
Attorney's office.

580
01:14:27,460 --> 01:14:27,460
and we have actually been in dallas doing work for as long as I have been with the
Organization,

581
01:14:31,980 --> 01:14:31,980
which has been just about eight years. That's wonderful.

582
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:36,930
and then I noticed a lot of the work seems to it,
And I'm not sure correct me if I'm wrong around children that have been in prison instead

583
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:46,250
of prevention or is it both? So the interesting thing about doing reentry work as well as
Violence interruption work is that a lot of the large majority

584
01:14:56,210 --> 01:14:56,210
of the underlying factors that cause justice system involvement and that perpetuate
Violence are the same.

585
01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:02,730
and so we have done work on the reentry side,
Also building pipelines for prevention.

586
01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:08,810
wonderful. And then was dpd data used to determine service areas.

587
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:16,370
and was that where the, where the youth are living or where incidents are occurring?

588
01:15:22,730 --> 01:15:22,730
sure. So we use a number of data resources, including the dpd data that's available on

589
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:32,490
the crime crime data platform, as well as our data dashboard that we've created in
Partnership with the with the city,

590
01:15:40,150 --> 01:15:40,150
in fact, through a through funding from the national league of cities.

591
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:45,430
and so we used all of that data to determine where the incidences of violence were
Occurring,

592
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:50,870
as well as where the concentration of, of persons living was,
Where they were living as well.

593
01:15:57,670 --> 01:15:57,670
so we used a comprehensive, comprehensive approach to determine where those areas are the
Most critical areas for these services,

594
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:05,750
particularly looking at, again, the factors or the indicators of both violence.

595
01:16:12,230 --> 01:16:12,230
and for those who commit violence and for those who are impacted by violence.

596
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:17,750
okay. And then for the grant, how much money is going towards administration costs versus
The actual I guess the,

597
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:26,950
the program. Sure I will. Make sure that I look and pull those numbers.

598
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:31,340
exactly. But I believe that there was a 10% cost for administration.

599
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:40,380
particularly with, yes, 10% cost for administration.

600
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:47,420
is there anything? I believe that our capped administration rate for these contracts is
Always 10%.

601
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:53,540
so it would be 10% or less. Okay. And is there anything else that you might want to add
About the program that you think might be helpful?

602
01:17:03,180 --> 01:17:03,180
well, I think one of the things that's critically important is that as we have done this
Work for many,

603
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:07,860
many years. So just to give you a little bit of history about lone star justice alliance,
We are a we are a multidisciplinary team of lawyers,

604
01:17:16,580 --> 01:17:16,580
social workers, mitigation investigators, as well as transition coaches and case managers
Who have been doing this work in this space individually in our

605
01:17:26,420 --> 01:17:26,420
separate lives, but then also coming together in this organization. So we have more than
60 years of experience in working with persons who have been justice system involved or

606
01:17:33,690 --> 01:17:33,690
who have been impacted by violence. And one of the things that we are very interested in
Seeing,

607
01:17:40,810 --> 01:17:40,810
and what we recognize is the challenge across the state,
Are having communities and ecosystems built to support young people,

608
01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:48,490
because often we also are very strong in data research,
Evidence based practices.

609
01:17:54,410 --> 01:17:54,410
so prior to launching the hype center, the helping young people succeed center,
We surveyed more than 100 young people,

610
01:18:02,690 --> 01:18:02,690
many of whom over 90% of whom were justice involved about what were their needs and what
Were the things that they needed to help them stay out of the system.

611
01:18:11,970 --> 01:18:11,970
and the same factors were the case for those who have either committed violence or been
Victims of violence,

612
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:17,570
which was needing safe places to be needing opportunities for engagement with mentorship
And needing access to economic mobility.

613
01:18:25,210 --> 01:18:25,210
one of the huge factors that you'll see also indicated from the world health organization
Is that economic mobility and disparities in income are very strong drivers of

614
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:34,840
violence in communities. And so part of the work that we do is we work with young people,
Particularly those between the ages of 18 and 24,

615
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:42,760
to get them plugged into both work opportunities and education opportunities.

616
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:47,760
understanding that when we address the drivers of violence and the drivers of justice
System involvement,

617
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:54,600
we are thereby creating safer environments. And I'd also like to address the conversation
Or discussion with regards to the police department.

618
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:01,760
so as you know, I'm a former prosecutor from the city of dallas community prosecutor.

619
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:06,080
I was in the southwest division, enjoyed working with my with my police colleagues.

620
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:11,760
and there were so many times where they came to me as a community prosecutor asking me for
Resources to which they can refer folks,

621
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:19,200
because oftentimes in terms of violence prevention,
Prevention, oftentimes police officers get called to the scene for instances that are not

622
01:19:27,940 --> 01:19:27,940
criminal, which means that they really can't take action,
But they are needing to have to refer those individuals to someone else who can intervene

623
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:38,180
and who can provide those surrounding supports. So we're excited to be able to be presented to the city council today to be such an
Organization,

624
01:19:43,540 --> 01:19:43,540
to be a referral, a space where officers can find supports and resources for people in the
Community who just need that additional wraparound support before the violence

625
01:19:53,420 --> 01:19:53,420
occurs. Thank you so much. Thank you. Chairwoman stewart,
You recognize for five minutes.

626
01:20:03,940 --> 01:20:03,940
thank you. Mayor johnson and I may have missed something here,
But let me just kind of go through what I think I'm following.

627
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:10,860
the deferral is until the next voting agenda meeting,
I believe, which would be june 10th.

628
01:20:16,540 --> 01:20:16,540
so does that gap instead of approving today,
Do we have a gap in services if we don't get approval until two weeks from now.

629
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:28,730
so I'll jump in. Thank you so much for that question. Councilwoman. Stewart. And I wanted to thank the council members for the questions,
As well as the comments that have been made thus far. We have definitely been working as

630
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:36,890
council member chair gracey mentioned to really get this program right.

631
01:20:42,410 --> 01:20:45,890
we've had some starts and some stops over the last few years. And in fact as council discussed this during the time that we got support for the cdbg
Funding that is now associated with the item,

632
01:20:55,090 --> 01:20:55,090
it was to really bring back a holistic approach to where we could add additional zip
Codes,

633
01:21:01,570 --> 01:21:01,570
and we could actually get the people on the ground to do the work and eliminate a lot of
The administrative burden that many of our smaller non-profits have had.

634
01:21:09,170 --> 01:21:09,170
and so we're very thankful that we have this relationship with lone star justice alliance,

635
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:13,890
because they're really coming in at a time when we need that program,
That support from an administrative perspective,

636
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:24,160
but it does not negate the ability to have a lot of the smaller. I would say boots on the ground, individuals helping us and so this will allow for us.

637
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:29,440
if this item moves, moves forward today to bring some additional resources to the table.

638
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:34,320
a lot of times people want to kind of see if we're really going to put our money where our
Mouth is and begin the work.

639
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:39,840
and that would allow for some of the other nonprofits,
As well as other philanthropic organizations to come in and support how we expand this

640
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:47,160
program. So any delay at this point, in my opinion,
And no disrespect to the council member who has questions and who would like additional

641
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:55,040
information, but we're really already behind,
And we're going into a very critical time where we need to move the program forward.

642
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:02,480
and it would allow for us, as we go into the budget,
Ways that we can bring additional funding to the table.

643
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:07,520
and so this is really a show and tell from my perspective,
But it is a way for the council to give us a positive nod,

644
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:14,640
move it forward, and that will allow for us to continue to bring other resources to really
Make the program effective.

645
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:19,760
I've heard from many of you over this last year about ways that you want the program
Expanded.

646
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:24,350
there are some zip codes that we have not covered in the past that we would like to be
Able to add to this program,

647
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:28,910
but thank you for the question. I truly understand what the summer months bring to our
Crime stats and to violence among our youth.

648
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:37,830
I have monitored crime stats for ten years or more and and it's very true.

649
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:43,590
as soon as school's out and there's more time on their hands and potentially not something
Positive to be spending their time and attention on.

650
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:56,150
we do get the violence. That is heartbreaking. So I do want to make sure that this city is doing all that it can to address that issue.

651
01:23:03,070 --> 01:23:06,390
it's, it's, there's really no question that it will occur. It, it seems to be just a inevitable based on certain combination of circumstances.

652
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:14,310
so I would hate to see a delay. I mean, we're on.

653
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:18,890
school is out. As I drove by a park last night on my way home,
There were lots of young people out in the park having a great time.

654
01:23:27,810 --> 01:23:31,010
but you just think to yourself, oh, I hope everybody behaves themselves. So anyway, we are there. And I don't know that two weeks is a good idea to delay it at
This point.

655
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:38,330
so thank you, city manager for that explanation.

656
01:23:43,930 --> 01:23:47,010
chairman johnson recognized for three minutes. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Thank you, city manager, for your comment.

657
01:23:54,610 --> 01:23:54,610
in 2020, I was made aware of this program through a lot of members of the south oak cliff
Brookhaven alumni.

658
01:24:02,370 --> 01:24:02,370
and at the same time, I was a school board trustee at that time working with dallas and
Some,

659
01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:07,850
some of the guys I saw trained some of the guys that was here.

660
01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:13,010
and I know those guys, I don't know, long star alliance.

661
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:18,320
I know some mr. Betty who's in the room have worked in a different capacity with them.

662
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:24,960
and so again, I'm used to getting a better understanding of what's going on in district
Four and working with

663
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,600
people that is strategic, that are real boots on the ground. And I know those individuals because I work with them.

664
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:41,800
now, my other question is what this is going to help the kids and in our communities.

665
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:48,200
and as a former trustee, I would ask, are we working with dallas isd,
The superintendent of dallas isd,

666
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:52,960
or are we talking to them and communication with them and see what else,
What kind of funding they can bring to the table to help us, since we're servicing our

667
01:24:59,400 --> 01:24:59,400
kids together and we're partnering. Those are the questions that I have.

668
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:05,720
how much of this 300,000. Because when mayor johnson did it if my memory serves me
Correctly,

669
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,350
it was right at $1 million. It was a great program. I think, if my memory serves me correct. But I do know that this dallas credit was great
And this program I support cvi city manager,

670
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:26,950
I support it, and you know that I've been talking about it in the public safety committee. So it's not that I don't support it. What I'm asking is how was how was the breakdown of
The finances,

671
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:35,270
how this is really going to affect it effectively support our community with less funding
Right now,

672
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:41,910
what are we doing to work with the superintendent of dallas isd to bring them in a part of
This program?

673
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:47,510
so those are the questions that I have. Now. If we want to delay this and talk in the back
Room and deliver probably for the to the end of the

674
01:25:57,550 --> 01:25:57,550
the meeting today, I'm willing to do that, but I know this is something that I do support,

675
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:03,110
but I do need more information. If we can get that information and some of these questions
I don't want to really ask public because I don't want to seem like I'm badgering or

676
01:26:12,580 --> 01:26:16,380
beating anyone up and disrespect them. But these are the questions that I have. And so if you can help me with that, then I probably can move forward. But right now I
Don't have those answers.

677
01:26:21,020 --> 01:26:21,020
thank you, mr. Mayor, and thank you so much,
Councilmember johnson.

678
01:26:25,940 --> 01:26:25,940
very, very well articulated. As far as the things that you are concerned about,
We are more than happy to address those questions either now,

679
01:26:33,540 --> 01:26:33,540
or we can do those outside of the setting if that's what council chooses to do.

680
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:38,500
but we're more than happy to explain how we have recalibrated the way we're approaching
The program,

681
01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:44,940
in alignment with the types of activities and other programs that are already being
Implemented by the school district.

682
01:26:50,700 --> 01:26:50,700
so this is really it's not a it's not necessarily the umbrella,
But it's an alignment that actually supports also what's happening at the district.

683
01:26:59,900 --> 01:26:59,900
this is the component that council asked us to,
To rethink about as we went into conversations last year during the budget.

684
01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:06,820
and this is the way that we've done it. So we can answer those questions directly with you
One on one, if that's what you prefer. Thank you.

685
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:13,640
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm going to go to chairman gracey,
Then.

686
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:18,120
miss blackmon and then to you, chairwoman mendelsohn.

687
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,560
so. Chairman gracey recognized for three minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd just like to. If I can put a motion out to to delay this item
Until after lunch.

688
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:30,800
that gives staff an opportunity to answer my colleagues questions,
And we can come back and revisit this item.

689
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,600
second, the motion to table until after lunch. I just want to check with the parliamentarian,
Make sure it's in the order, but I don't have a problem with it. I just want to make sure

690
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:44,960
that we can do it that way. Since we have this motion to defer on the floor right now,
I think it'll I think it takes precedence.

691
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:52,080
it does. So is there any discussion on the motion to table or do we go to a vote.

692
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:00,640
come on bert. Mr. Parliamentarian no debate. Alright.

693
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:06,520
all in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The eyes have it.

694
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:14,870
so it's tabled. This item is tabled until after lunch,
Madam secretary. Okay. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to agenda item ten.

695
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:21,630
by the way, just to point out to everyone, correct me if I'm wrong,
Burt, but when we pick it back up,

696
01:28:27,670 --> 01:28:30,110
we'll pick it back up where we left off with it. We won't be starting over with the five, three,
One anew.

697
01:28:33,150 --> 01:28:33,150
it'll be the same cue, and I have it written down by hand,
So I know who spoke already.

698
01:28:38,630 --> 01:28:38,630
all right. Just want to make sure everybody knows that's that's how it's going to. It's
Not going to start over again. Thank you,

699
01:28:44,230 --> 01:28:44,230
mr. Mayor. Agenda item ten authorize a seven month contract for frontline outreach
Services for persons experiencing homelessness and

700
01:28:53,630 --> 01:28:53,630
encampments in furtherance of the city of dallas real time rehousing project.

701
01:28:58,510 --> 01:28:58,510
housing forward sole source not to exceed $676,455.

702
01:29:04,990 --> 01:29:04,990
this item was pulled by council members, mendelsohn,
Roth and johnson.

703
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:11,820
this is your item. Mr.. Mayor. Is there a motion on item ten?

704
01:29:16,940 --> 01:29:19,340
I have a motion to approve. Is there a second? Alright. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Who pulled it? Chairwoman mendelsohn,
You recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

705
01:29:25,260 --> 01:29:25,260
I have some questions, please. I guess actually,
If I can start

706
01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:34,980
with the question of why this is a sole source contract,
And I'm not sure if, thor, you're the right person or not,

707
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:46,020
but whoever is the appropriate person to answer that,
Please. Thanks. I'd like to ask juanita ortiz, director of procurement,
To to join me for that question.

708
01:30:26,210 --> 01:30:26,210
this is juanita ortiz, director of the office of procurement services.

709
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:30,290
I don't have the solicitation. I mean, the sole source request in front of me to give you,

710
01:30:35,170 --> 01:30:35,170
like, the specific details. But when a department requests a sole source,
We will review the requirements under the contract to make sure

711
01:30:45,130 --> 01:30:45,130
that there isn't another entity that can provide similar services.

712
01:30:50,370 --> 01:30:50,370
if there is not a you know, if they have copyrights,
Etc.

713
01:30:57,570 --> 01:30:57,570
so on this one, what I do remember is for the continuum of care.

714
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:04,310
there was only one organization that was approved to provide the service,
Which was housing forward,

715
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:10,790
and that's why we deemed this a sole source. I,
I can get the packet and give you more information in a,

716
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:19,870
in a memo. Okay. Well, I think I'm going to use up all my time. So you're welcome to go get it. It. Okay. I'll probably still be talking at that point.

717
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:26,070
so can you outline what is included in this item?

718
01:31:31,150 --> 01:31:33,910
what, what activities they'll be provided. Yeah. Thank you. Thorax and director, housing community empowerment. This is for work direct
Engagement with folks in homeless encampments.

719
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:46,110
so, so generally called homeless outreach. That's right. Homeless outreach, direct interactions, discussions about critical needs,
Discussions about services available working on

720
01:31:56,030 --> 01:31:56,030
housing navigation programs, really direct services to people that are trying to get
Connected back to the ultimate housing pathway of getting

721
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:05,740
rehoused. Are you aware of other organizations that do homeless outreach?

722
01:32:12,140 --> 01:32:15,500
there are other organizations that do homeless outreach. This organization does it specifically as the lead agency of the continuum of care.

723
01:32:20,780 --> 01:32:20,780
but other organizations do homeless outreach,
So therefore it is not a sole source.

724
01:32:26,300 --> 01:32:26,300
and in fact, they often contract with other organizations to do that actual work.

725
01:32:31,260 --> 01:32:31,260
correct. There are other organizations that do perform a variety of services for
Engagement,

726
01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:36,540
getting them into their critical service. However,
These caseworkers administer it from a variety of outreach needs and can get them into

727
01:32:45,620 --> 01:32:45,620
different placements depending on their situation. Other folks are working on outreach
Specifically for their organizations,

728
01:32:52,220 --> 01:32:52,220
so there is a slight difference there in terms of how that work is done.

729
01:32:58,180 --> 01:32:58,180
are you saying that there's not organizations doing outreach that are placing people in
Services that are not their own?

730
01:33:08,290 --> 01:33:08,290
in terms of the, the way this procurement was written,
This was our research.

731
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:13,970
are you aware of our calling, which doesn't provide shelter services,
But does more than 3000 outreach engagements per year

732
01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:27,690
and places people in services all over the continuum? Yes, I'm aware of our calling. So therefore,
It's not a sole source.

733
01:33:36,610 --> 01:33:36,610
good. Good afternoon. Kevin odin, director of emergency management and crisis response.

734
01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:40,890
so you are absolutely correct. There are organizations that do outreach where there is
Including the city staff.

735
01:33:49,050 --> 01:33:49,050
however, the difference with what this item does with housing forward is two things.

736
01:33:55,690 --> 01:33:59,640
so first is being the housing out of the encampments. We're not equipped to do that as as city staff.

737
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:02,560
and I'm not aware of other organizations that that get the direct vouchers or the
Coordination with with the dallas housing authority to do that.

738
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:12,240
and so when we work these hot spot locations that we've we've briefed the council on,
They,

739
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,720
they housing board are doing the front end of housing. The second piece is the shelter housing that this council has approved as well.

740
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:26,360
so these staff are also participating in that as well,
Which I'm not aware of other organizations or anybody that does that particular service

741
01:34:34,440 --> 01:34:34,440
for the city. So I just wanted to add, just to clarify,
You're saying that, I mean, are you aware that housing ford has any vouchers right now?

742
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:44,920
I, we can, we can call them up. What I can say is we just completed a big project with
Them where they house,

743
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:51,960
I believe, 47 people out of an encampment. And so and we're working on other hot spots
Where they're going in as,

744
01:35:00,190 --> 01:35:00,190
as the front end to do this, this housing work for us.

745
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:04,550
so in the data that was presented for this item,
Both at housing committee yesterday and for this agenda,

746
01:35:13,070 --> 01:35:13,070
it's listed total engagements. The goal 1500 fiscal year 24 646.

747
01:35:20,630 --> 01:35:20,630
fiscal year 25 1563. Fiscal year 26 to date,
Which I think is march 523 for a total of

748
01:35:30,030 --> 01:35:30,030
2732. Correct. Correct. But meanwhile, over that same period,
You would find more than

749
01:35:38,990 --> 01:35:38,990
9000 engagements by our calling. And yet we're going to pay them $676,000

750
01:35:49,190 --> 01:35:49,190
to do less than a third of the work that we're seeing for a nonprofit,
We don't pay any money to.

751
01:35:57,930 --> 01:36:01,570
yesterday we had a presentation from salvation army. Now, I will agree that most of their outreach is for their own services.

752
01:36:07,770 --> 01:36:07,770
there's other groups that also go out very regularly.

753
01:36:12,210 --> 01:36:12,210
and while kevin and I agree that where we've seen housing forward has been at encampments,

754
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:20,250
you know, where we see our calling, walking down into our creeks,
Going to the places that are less visible,

755
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:28,530
where people are more at risk. And I, I disagree,
This is not a sole source.

756
01:36:37,530 --> 01:36:37,530
when we talk about the assessments, are they still using an actual form or is this really
A series of questions

757
01:36:48,450 --> 01:36:48,450
I can ask rachel from housing forward to come down to address some of the technical
Questions you have on how they monitor and collect people and add them to miss.

758
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:57,600
okay, well, I don't I don't need to if they're using the form,
I think there's many, many articles out there that talk about the bias of the form

759
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:08,400
if they're not using the form. What we're really talking about are a series of questions
That every agency goes through to try to determine the

760
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:18,200
situation of the person and what resources would be appropriate.

761
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:22,480
when we look at navigations again, for your information,
The goal was 400.

762
01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:29,480
in fiscal year 24, they had 26 fiscal year 25,
117, fiscal year 2652.

763
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:38,600
so they had a total of 195 when the goal was 400.

764
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:43,560
but yet we regularly see much higher numbers from other organizations,
And I don't see how this is the right organization

765
01:37:53,510 --> 01:37:53,510
to do that. Other items that you had listed in here besides the outreach besides the
Service coordination,

766
01:38:01,630 --> 01:38:01,630
which again, every single nonprofit agency does service coordination.

767
01:38:07,110 --> 01:38:07,110
every single one of them does this. Was actually data entry,
Which again, everybody's putting data in

768
01:38:16,910 --> 01:38:16,910
somewhere. What I would ask you, since you put it in there is,
Are you requiring housing forward to accept the data from

769
01:38:26,190 --> 01:38:26,190
everybody? So there's organizations that are offering data and they are not taking it and
Adding it so that we are not getting the full picture of what's happening in

770
01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:35,670
homelessness. Is it required for them to take it?

771
01:38:44,590 --> 01:38:44,590
rachel. Do you accept the data from everyone?

772
01:38:53,260 --> 01:38:53,260
are you taking data from our calling, from from dallas life?

773
01:38:57,820 --> 01:39:00,660
hi. Ray clay, chief program officer at housing forward. So we've actually been working with our calling to take data.

774
01:39:03,780 --> 01:39:03,780
we've had probably eight meetings with our technology on trying to get them to have the
Data points that are needed to go into a hud csv.

775
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:15,380
so yes, we do accept or work with our data warehouse to try to. You're telling me today you're accepting it because this has been going on for 12 years.

776
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:22,980
I'm not saying today. I'm saying in this year,
Don't take it today. Do you take the data from union gospel mission?

777
01:39:26,140 --> 01:39:26,140
yes. For hick and pit, we get information from them for their entire shelter operation,
For hick and pit.

778
01:39:31,340 --> 01:39:31,340
we get information from them. So just for those programs,
For those accounts that go to the federal government.

779
01:39:39,580 --> 01:39:39,580
yes, we take the information from hick and pit housing inventory count.

780
01:39:43,820 --> 01:39:43,820
point in time. Count their total service shelter operation.

781
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:47,840
you're only doing the point in time count. That's going to have to be it for this round.
You

782
01:39:59,240 --> 01:39:59,240
can answer the question. Did you get just a yes or no?

783
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:08,680
did you get the answer no. We take all data that's entered into miss.

784
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:17,360
mr. Rothi recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

785
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:21,680
my questions are really more informational. I'm really trying to understand how we're
Budgeting for these kinds of monies and how we're allocating these kinds of

786
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:31,520
monies. It looks like over the past year, if we've been extending these,
These contracts and we're now talking about for this year,

787
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:41,120
spending $1 million on this program, roughly $900,000.

788
01:40:47,230 --> 01:40:47,230
what I'm trying to understand is where does is and we've been giving I understand housing
Forward is a good organization.

789
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:54,470
they, they allocate monies to other people to provide services.

790
01:40:59,110 --> 01:40:59,110
but I'm trying to understand where, where this money comes from in our budget.

791
01:41:03,590 --> 01:41:07,150
and is it not allocated in advance? Is it not planned? Is this something that we should be aware of beforehand?

792
01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:10,710
and why do we need to be extending these contracts rather than planning for these
Contracts in a more definitive way?

793
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:23,750
so I'll start. Thank you so much, councilmember roth,
For your question. So last year, when we presented the city manager's proposed budget,
We identified funding that we believed would continue to support our homeless ecosystem.

794
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:36,510
there are several programs that we laid out as part of the budget. So the amount that you have before you on agenda item number ten was actually included in
The adopted budget,

795
01:41:42,980 --> 01:41:42,980
and it was actually aligned to supporting the ongoing work that is being done,
Whether it's outreach,

796
01:41:49,660 --> 01:41:49,660
whether the ongoing investment that we needed to make into homelessness,
From encampments to housing to all of the the kind of the dallas home approach that

797
01:41:59,580 --> 01:41:59,580
we recently briefed the city council on. We put that line item in the budget,
And I think it's about a $10 million investment to really support this work.

798
01:42:07,580 --> 01:42:07,580
so this is not new as it relates to how it's come to the agenda.

799
01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:12,300
it's taking those funds that were already allocated in the adopted budget and moving them
Into this particular program to support this contract until the end of the fiscal year.

800
01:42:22,100 --> 01:42:22,100
so thank you for the question. Well, thank you for the clarification. So that the $10
Million that we that we allocated a few months ago to housing forward for

801
01:42:31,500 --> 01:42:31,500
supplemental services, is that the $10 million that you're talking about,
Or was that a separate auxiliary $10 million that we

802
01:42:40,930 --> 01:42:40,930
added to their budgeted allocation in the last year's budget.

803
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:47,330
all right. Thank you, director thor. Yeah, yeah. With with the budget,
The $10 million was arpa redevelopment funds specifically for the street to home work,

804
01:42:54,090 --> 01:42:54,090
the rapid rehousing work. Right. In addition to that,
In the in the general fund budget, we had a,

805
01:42:59,970 --> 01:42:59,970
some contract continuation of critical services to support the homelessness ecosystem,
This being one of them.

806
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:07,490
there's in addition to this, there's also eviction assistance in the general fund.

807
01:43:11,810 --> 01:43:11,810
so there's a variety of different services contracts that we're working through
Procurement this year, bringing to you to council for final approval,

808
01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:18,810
but with funds that were approved in our general fund budget from the last fiscal year.

809
01:43:24,530 --> 01:43:24,530
so I guess what I'm wondering is, why do we have to approve something that's already been
Approved?

810
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:29,810
and so that makes me wonder whether or not we don't have a clear vision.

811
01:43:35,330 --> 01:43:35,330
we don't I don't have a clear vision as to what we're spending the money on and how that
Money is being allocated to the various programs.

812
01:43:43,950 --> 01:43:43,950
and to some extent, it sort of dovetails into a council member mendelsohn question of,
Of is are we allocating these funds to the right

813
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:53,910
service provider? It's not a question of allocating funds.

814
01:43:58,030 --> 01:44:01,750
it's a question of are we getting the best bang for our buck? Are we going to the most direct source? Are we going to the most cost efficient and and
Effective source?

815
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:10,390
and I'm not saying that housing forward is not that entity.

816
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:14,550
I'm wondering how that that analysis is established in our budgeting process.

817
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:26,150
so thank you for the question and council member. So as you know,
The budget is a plan. It's a planning document. And so when we come to council with agenda items,
We're then coming to tell you how we plan to then move that funding forward,

818
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:37,980
which is the implementation of what's been adopted in the budget. And so, as director thor laid out, is that these.

819
01:44:42,140 --> 01:44:42,140
are identified as needs. And the ways that we wanted to invest continue.

820
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:48,100
continuation of programs as well as some of the new things that we included into the
Budget.

821
01:44:52,980 --> 01:44:52,980
so as it relates to why we're bringing the item,
We're bringing the item because now we're actually telling you how we plan to then execute

822
01:45:01,420 --> 01:45:01,420
and move that budget line item forward. So that's why it's on the agenda for today.

823
01:45:06,620 --> 01:45:06,620
it is above the city manager's threshold. And so we have to bring it to you to then
Authorize,

824
01:45:11,740 --> 01:45:11,740
then moving the funding out and then putting it into the program,
If that if that helps with your.

825
01:45:16,660 --> 01:45:16,660
yes. Thank you. Thank you for the clarification.

826
01:45:21,700 --> 01:45:24,980
deputy mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes. Wow. Did I hear 47 people were housed out of an encampment?

827
01:45:28,100 --> 01:45:28,100
is that what you said? Yes, ma'am. That was our first collaborative hot spot.

828
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:35,330
and that operation was really over the last 7 to 8 weeks.

829
01:45:41,410 --> 01:45:41,410
but the housing concluded, I believe on may 6th was the date that that wrapped up.

830
01:45:46,810 --> 01:45:46,810
well, I've seen the benefit of this in district 13 under 635 at jose,
At webb chapel, at locations that I hear from farmers branch about and that we work

831
01:45:56,330 --> 01:45:59,890
collaboratively on. And so you've done it there as well. And I, I look at the encampment reports and the cleanup reports.

832
01:46:02,930 --> 01:46:02,930
and so I do see that progress is being made sure we still see things on the street,
But this is not an easy job.

833
01:46:09,410 --> 01:46:12,170
while you all were visiting, I miss I visited with mr. Armstrong about some particulars on this. So I don't know if you want to share anything or
On what makes this different.

834
01:46:21,730 --> 01:46:25,450
because my understanding is that this is more of an umbrella. I mean, that coordinates. I mean, sure, we've got a lot of great partners out there. I see
Some in the gallery.

835
01:46:30,410 --> 01:46:30,410
miss schnitzer and others. But it's that coordination.

836
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:36,000
and then you also mention hot spots because that's another issue that is what really jumps
Out at our residents.

837
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:42,880
I mean, you see it come up when you see a concentration of people popping up in an alley
Or near a backyard or near a school.

838
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:49,240
so tell me a little bit about what you had just shared about what what the distinction is
Here.

839
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:54,160
yeah, thank you for that. That question. James armstrong deputy director,
Office of housing and community empowerment.

840
01:46:59,880 --> 01:46:59,880
so the solicitation is a more coordinated approach to engagement than the one off
Engagement that may happen at an individual

841
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:09,680
practitioner. Right. And so with this solicitation,
You have a lot of the different partners,

842
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:15,920
mental health partners, substance abuse partners obviously coordination with kevin's group
And dpd hot team.

843
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:24,640
and so it's a different, it's a little bit more sophisticated approach to engagement.

844
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:29,280
but again, what was just explained. This contract really undergirds our $10 million
Investment in the street to home initiative.

845
01:47:39,660 --> 01:47:43,140
okay. Well, I mean, I'm, I'm understanding that that this is a bigger picture. And we certainly have a lot of great partners out there.

846
01:47:45,460 --> 01:47:45,460
but I, you know, much like on the last item we discussed,
I just don't think this is a time when there's momentum to interrupt this if we want to

847
01:47:54,140 --> 01:47:54,140
litigate it at, you know, housing and homelessness committee,
You know, great, let's let's pour through it.

848
01:47:59,460 --> 01:47:59,460
and, but I, I support extending this so that we can keep this progress going.

849
01:48:07,340 --> 01:48:07,340
chair mendelsohn, you're recognized for three minutes. Thank you. When they do
Engagements,

850
01:48:11,460 --> 01:48:11,460
are they putting people in hmis at that point?

851
01:48:16,260 --> 01:48:16,260
yes they are. They have previously said no. When they're doing outreach with us,
They're required to put people in hmis in this

852
01:48:25,740 --> 01:48:25,740
contract. Do you want to affirm that? Yes. As they're doing engagements,
They're putting people in.

853
01:48:34,890 --> 01:48:34,890
miss. However, we know that there are some people that refuse to engage,
Aren't able to engage.

854
01:48:40,850 --> 01:48:40,850
so sometimes it takes a little bit of time just to get information enough to say,
This is who the person is.

855
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:50,410
so once they have that relationship, they're making an engagement. Then they definitely are putting them in. Miss.

856
01:48:52,610 --> 01:48:52,610
so you're saying that if we audited your records,
There's 2732 outreach engagements over that time period that would be in miss.

857
01:49:03,650 --> 01:49:03,650
your office has backup data for everything that we've turned in for our performance
Results.

858
01:49:11,290 --> 01:49:11,290
what are the largest homeless shelters in dallas and are they on my s?

859
01:49:20,010 --> 01:49:20,010
I have our hic and I can look at those. Not everyone is in my s meaning that they put
Shelter stays in.

860
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:31,680
could you answer the question? What are the largest ones and are they in? Miss? We've got salvation army, we have dallas life we have.

861
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:39,480
and are they in miss? Only for things that they report. But some of them, they are very little. Okay.

862
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:42,160
and what's the next one? What's the next one?

863
01:49:46,600 --> 01:49:46,600
largest shelters. The bridge, austin street. Austin street actually does more than the
Bridge.

864
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:51,880
bridge is not one of the largest shelters. I was saying austin street has more than the
Bridge.

865
01:49:58,200 --> 01:49:58,200
yes. We're happy to provide you that information in a list at a later time,
If that's all I'm aware of the answer.

866
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:04,600
I'm I okay, I'm asking a question I know the answer to.

867
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:09,320
so you didn't mention I did mention and are they supplying miss information for their
Shelter?

868
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:19,040
they supply miss information when it comes to our housing inventory count that we do.

869
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:24,640
yes. They're included. They are not part of the system.

870
01:50:30,670 --> 01:50:33,870
you're not accepting their file. You're not accepting dallas lifestyle. You're not accepting ms file. The data we're getting is incomplete.

871
01:50:39,550 --> 01:50:39,550
can I speak to that? It's not really a question.

872
01:50:44,150 --> 01:50:44,150
it's a comment. And I'm allowed to do that. This procurement started january 2024.

873
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:51,750
it's at the contract ran out. And again you've not tried to make this competitive.

874
01:50:56,750 --> 01:50:56,750
that is the basis of procurement for government.

875
01:51:01,390 --> 01:51:01,390
and there are competition. There's competition that is available to have responded to
This.

876
01:51:09,070 --> 01:51:09,070
I think it's not appropriate that as a sole source,
I understand that it's maybe a favorite of certain people.

877
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:19,030
the housing navigation salvation army reported yesterday 450 successful this contract 195
Over

878
01:51:28,610 --> 01:51:28,610
multiple years. Our calling 1370 just in one year.

879
01:51:36,890 --> 01:51:36,890
they're working with everybody again. We're not even trying to leverage other vendors.

880
01:51:43,730 --> 01:51:43,730
we're trying to add another administrative layer,
Which is what housing ford is.

881
01:51:48,210 --> 01:51:48,210
they're not doing the work. They're they're contracting it out just like what we're
Talking about with the violence interrupters.

882
01:51:55,370 --> 01:51:55,370
why aren't we contracting directly with these groups?

883
01:51:59,730 --> 01:51:59,730
so I would ask that this contract include requirements that every engagement,
Even if it's partial information,

884
01:52:09,330 --> 01:52:09,330
is included in miss that you require csv files from to be accepted.

885
01:52:17,130 --> 01:52:17,130
when I was at samaritan in everything was electric.

886
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:21,440
we offered csv files, they wouldn't take it. And trust me,
That data was cleaner than the mr system.

887
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:29,360
so there's there's a lot of issues here. And instead of trying to fix it,
We're just doing the same thing over and over again.

888
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:37,880
I'm not going to support this item. Thanks for your time. Chairman gracey,
You're recognized for five minutes.

889
01:52:43,480 --> 01:52:46,880
thank you. Juanita, can you come here for a second? I just have a question about sole source and how that's defined.

890
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:51,680
and just as a matter of clarity, that's not something the department puts on an item that
Goes through a process to be considered sole source.

891
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:00,720
correct? Correct. So the department did request a review of housing forward as a sole
Source provider.

892
01:53:09,960 --> 01:53:09,960
in that process, we asked for a vendor to submit on their letterhead why they consider
Themselves sole source.

893
01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:17,480
we also asked for a department to provide the justification,
And then we do our research to make sure that the information provided is accurate before

894
01:53:25,630 --> 01:53:25,630
we approve a sole source. In this case, the the explanation for why housing forward should
Be considered sole

895
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:35,510
source was because they are the only hud certified lead agency for the continuum of care.

896
01:53:42,710 --> 01:53:42,710
and we did confirm there, there is not another agency that can provide that can provide
The service who is hud aligned with the continuum

897
01:53:52,630 --> 01:53:56,270
of care. And so we did approve the sole source. So primarily because they are aligned with the continuum of care,
That's what qualified them as sole source,

898
01:54:01,230 --> 01:54:01,230
not necessarily because of the work that they do. Because to chair mendelson's point,
There are a lot of organizations that do that work,

899
01:54:07,670 --> 01:54:07,670
but it's because they are aligned with that in that continuum of care that makes that that
Was one of the requirements of the scope of work,

900
01:54:14,110 --> 01:54:14,110
was that they be aligned with continuum of care,
And they're the only ones.

901
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:18,300
okay. All right. Thank you. Chairman johnson recognized for five minutes.

902
01:54:25,300 --> 01:54:25,300
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'll just make a statement. City manager,
Can we also discuss this?

903
01:54:31,540 --> 01:54:31,540
instead of meeting to discuss this particular item I've been having and working with kevin
Odom.

904
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:36,300
thank you for all the work that you're doing in district four,
But I do want to have some more questions concerning when there are giving aid to

905
01:54:46,820 --> 01:54:46,820
our homeless homeless community on the house community those resources that they are going
To,

906
01:54:53,780 --> 01:54:57,300
how is that working? What support systems do they have in place? The housing is bringing to the table? Because what I,
What I'm seeing and hearing is that it's not sustainable.

907
01:55:05,580 --> 01:55:05,580
and so I would like to get more information and this is from some of the unhoused
Community.

908
01:55:10,020 --> 01:55:10,020
so get more information on what is sustainable and how we can bring real help to those
Solutions.

909
01:55:14,820 --> 01:55:14,820
and again, again to kevin odin's team. Thank you so much for working with us in district
Four.

910
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:20,320
but if we can get that information city manager,
I appreciate it and how I can also be a better support system as we're trying to tackle

911
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:28,520
these issues. So thank you so much, mr. Mayor.

912
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,480
yes, sir. Thank you so much for the for the comments and the question. And we're more than happy to provide that additional information.

913
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:38,600
and as we continue with the reporting and the updates that we provide at the the housing
And homeless solutions committee to answer those questions and bring any additional detail

914
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:51,600
that you feel that you need in order to, to be more informed. So thank you for that, chair. Mendelsohn for one minute.

915
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,920
thank you. I'm going to go back to the procurement question. Every community, every continuum of care is required to have a lead agency.

916
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:05,400
and what you're actually saying is that because of the lead agency,
Their sole source, that means they could actually take any contract because they're the

917
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:13,360
only lead agency which is again, required by hud to have a lead agency.

918
01:56:17,710 --> 01:56:17,710
but I'll tell you that the hud director went to our calling and gave a speech and hosted
An event.

919
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:27,030
there's lots of organizations that are highly integrated and connected with hud.

920
01:56:33,310 --> 01:56:33,310
lead agency status does not make you noncompetitive.

921
01:56:39,190 --> 01:56:39,190
you're you're providing I mean, they're providing activities that many other organizations
Provide.

922
01:56:47,630 --> 01:56:51,070
and I would argue in many cases, they do a better job. And I've just provided the evidence of the outcomes.

923
01:56:54,110 --> 01:56:54,110
so being the lead agency does not make it sole source.

924
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:58,310
and any one of these nonprofits could probably sue about that time.

925
01:57:03,150 --> 01:57:03,150
anyone else want to speak on for or against jen item ten.

926
01:57:07,390 --> 01:57:09,990
all right. Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Aye. Ayes have it. I. Noted council member mendelsohn voted no.

927
01:57:18,180 --> 01:57:18,180
thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item 21 will be held later in the meeting.

928
01:57:23,780 --> 01:57:23,780
we will now move to agenda item 28. Agenda item 28.

929
01:57:28,220 --> 01:57:28,220
authorize supplemental agreement number four to increase the two year master service price
Agreement with carahsoft technology corporation for the purchase of

930
01:57:38,140 --> 01:57:38,140
various software, including perpetual fixed term subscription and software as a service,
Software maintenance,

931
01:57:45,460 --> 01:57:45,460
support, implementation and other services not to exceed $3,786,672.81 from
$15,146,691.20,

932
01:57:59,140 --> 01:57:59,140
to $18,933,364.01. This item has been corrected and was pulled by council member west.

933
01:58:08,780 --> 01:58:08,780
is there a motion on 28. Yes. I move to defer this item to june 10th,
2026.

934
01:58:14,130 --> 01:58:14,130
second, it's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Any discussion? Anyone. Seeing none.
All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Items deferred. Thank you.

935
01:58:21,530 --> 01:58:21,530
next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item will be agenda item 32.

936
01:58:31,770 --> 01:58:35,090
I'm sorry, mr. Mayor. Agenda item 31 was pulled by councilmember johnson. Let me go back to agenda item 31. June item 31.

937
01:58:40,610 --> 01:58:40,610
authorize a construction services contract for the 2026 slurry seal and polymer modified
Micro surfacing contract for citywide maintenance,

938
01:58:50,330 --> 01:58:50,330
repairs and improvements by city streets. Viking construction,
Llc, lowest responsible bidder for not to exceed

939
01:58:58,370 --> 01:58:58,370
$20,408,155. Again, this item was pulled by councilmember johnson.

940
01:59:05,410 --> 01:59:05,410
looking for a motion on 31? It's been moved and seconded.

941
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,600
chairman johnson, you pulled it. Did you want to? Yes. Five minutes. Yes, gus.

942
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:28,520
how you doing? Good morning. So I just got one simple question with the slurry seal,
Because I know you're doing a lot of stuff on the main street.

943
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:38,040
well, this also addressed some of the neighborhood streets in our,
In our communities, not just so much the main street,

944
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:44,880
but some of those neighborhood streets. Well,
It's also addressed those that have real rough streets.

945
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:51,720
good morning. Gus mccarty, director of the department of transportation,
Public works. Yes, this is for the city wide on all roadways that do have asphalt.

946
01:59:59,560 --> 01:59:59,560
so this item is basically to preserve the life of the asphalt pavement across the city.

947
02:00:06,060 --> 02:00:06,060
so and I did, I did really read that. But I want to specifically ask that because when
When we had a meeting,

948
02:00:12,780 --> 02:00:12,780
I think with your staff, they were saying something and I'm going to try to quote them
Correctly.

949
02:00:19,700 --> 02:00:23,540
if, if the street is too bad, then this will not work in a neighborhood street. So when we're looking at our neighborhood streets,
What, what can we do to fix that?

950
02:00:28,780 --> 02:00:32,340
or will this actually help? So could you kind of expound on that? Because a lot of my community has been asking about the street repairs,
And they see the work that we're doing together.

951
02:00:37,700 --> 02:00:37,700
as you're partnering with me in district four. So those are the questions that that
Particular question I want to ask about the neighborhood streets, not the main streets,

952
02:00:44,940 --> 02:00:48,700
but where, where actually they drive into the neighborhoods. And it's kind of rough. Yes, sir. So just real quick, we have the infrastructure management program that
Prioritizes ranks,

953
02:00:55,020 --> 02:00:55,020
the roadways and prioritize them. And based on the level and the scoring,
If you will, that's how we determine the type of treatment.

954
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:03,500
so this is specific for roadways that are still in decent shape,
That we can just apply the seal to preserve them and extend their life.

955
02:01:13,530 --> 02:01:13,530
other treatments, which includes complete resurfacing,
Are other treatments that we do across the city.

956
02:01:20,730 --> 02:01:20,730
again, that includes neighborhood streets as well as major roadways.

957
02:01:25,050 --> 02:01:25,050
thank you so much. And I appreciate again the work that you're doing. We have some
Challenges over in our community,

958
02:01:30,090 --> 02:01:30,090
but I appreciate the work and thank you so much. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Is there anyone want to speak on for against

959
02:01:35,210 --> 02:01:35,210
item 31? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

960
02:01:40,370 --> 02:01:40,370
the eyes have it. Next item. Thank you. Agenda item 32 is an ordinance denying rates as
Requested by atmos energy corp.

961
02:01:50,090 --> 02:01:50,090
mid tax division provided pursuant to its january 15th,
2026, dallas annual rate review, filing and setting rates as recommended by

962
02:02:00,010 --> 02:02:03,680
the city manager, this item was pulled by council member west. Is there a motion? Yes, mayor. I move to deny.

963
02:02:08,520 --> 02:02:11,440
second, the motion to deny. And it's been seconded. Chairman was recognized for five minutes. This is item 32.

964
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:14,200
thank you. Mayor. I am in carrying forward this from the finance committee.

965
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:19,080
we had a unanimous vote from the committee to deny the proposed settlement of rates.

966
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:26,400
thank you. Anyone else want to speak for or against item 32?

967
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:35,160
chairman was recognized for three minutes. You're out. Okay, mr. Roth, you're recognized for five minutes.

968
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:38,600
could you could you clarify what what the rationale was for denying it,
Please?

969
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:50,080
do you want to I will mayor. Okay. The committee expressed disagreement with the proposed
Rate

970
02:03:00,310 --> 02:03:00,310
increases by encore. We were also informed of the likely possibility that encore might
Appeal,

971
02:03:07,550 --> 02:03:07,550
and the committee chose to continue moving forward with supporting a denial.

972
02:03:12,790 --> 02:03:16,710
so I would refer to jack ireland or someone on his team. If you want to kind of get into the more technical issues,
But that's the basis of it.

973
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:27,830
mr. Roff, are you you relinquishing? Thank you. That's it. Okay. All right. I'm going to go chairman ridley for five minutes.

974
02:03:32,750 --> 02:03:32,750
okay. We're on agenda item 32. It's a motion to deny the item.

975
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:40,830
well, then we're dealing with a double negative here. The item is to deny the rates requested by atmos.

976
02:03:44,830 --> 02:03:44,830
so I'd like a clarification on a motion to deny a denial of proposed rates.

977
02:03:52,430 --> 02:03:55,830
where does that leave us? It's a great, great point. I think it may have been a mis statement not.

978
02:04:00,010 --> 02:04:00,010
I think his intention is. Go ahead. I'll let you clarify.

979
02:04:04,090 --> 02:04:04,090
I'll clarify the motion. Thank you. The. So the motion is to deny the proposed settlement
By which is proposed by staff,

980
02:04:12,850 --> 02:04:12,850
which denies the the rate proposed by atmos. So staff has put forward a settlement which
Denies the atmos rate and comes up with a settlement amount,

981
02:04:22,050 --> 02:04:22,050
which is different. The committee chose to deny that settlement.

982
02:04:27,850 --> 02:04:30,290
well, then, I have a question for the city attorney. That is not what was posted. What was posted was denial of the rates originally requested
By atmos.

983
02:04:37,530 --> 02:04:37,530
now we're talking about a settlement agreement that is not the subject of this item.

984
02:04:42,050 --> 02:04:42,050
can this even be addressed under this item? Go for it,
Bert.

985
02:04:49,210 --> 02:04:49,210
you're up. Mr. Mayor, the item as posted. Incorporated the settlement that was

986
02:04:59,000 --> 02:04:59,000
part of the posted item, and therefore that is in order.

987
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:04,000
well, then I have a question for staff as to the nature of this settlement.

988
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:10,760
and what are the implications if we turn this settlement down,
What would happen next?

989
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:20,240
the settlement agreement as negotiated, reduced the rate request from the citizens of
Dallas by a little over $4 million,

990
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:30,120
which would be a savings to ratepayers if we deny the rate request.

991
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:35,960
did you identify yourself? Excuse me? Did you identify yourself,
Sir?

992
02:05:40,280 --> 02:05:40,280
did you identify yourself? Nick fehrenbach, I'm the manager of regulatory affairs for the
City of dallas.

993
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:46,800
thank you. If the city denies the rate request in its entirety does not adopt the
Settlement.

994
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:53,520
atmos has the right to appeal that decision to the railroad commission of texas upon their
Filing the appeal,

995
02:06:00,310 --> 02:06:00,310
they have the right to implement the full requested rates subject to refund.

996
02:06:05,390 --> 02:06:05,390
while the case is pending at the end of the railroad commission case,
If the railroad commission sets rates lower than they would have to refund that to

997
02:06:13,310 --> 02:06:13,310
customers. However, the railroad commission has not been a friendly forum for cities or
Consumers in the past.

998
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:21,750
so if we grant this motion and deny the settlement agreement,
Then atmos can appeal to the

999
02:06:31,550 --> 02:06:31,550
puck. And in the meantime, while that appeal is pending,
They can charge the full original rate amount at 38 million.

1000
02:06:40,830 --> 02:06:40,830
that is correct. And what is the success ratio of.

1001
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:48,870
the appeals to the puck by atmos. There has been one instance in the past where a rate
Case

1002
02:06:58,500 --> 02:07:01,500
under the dallas annual rate review was appealed. In 2017, atmos filed for a rate increase of $10.7 million.

1003
02:07:08,820 --> 02:07:08,820
we negotiated a settlement of 7.8, which the council rejected,
Denied the rate increase.

1004
02:07:15,580 --> 02:07:15,580
they appealed to the railroad commission. Ultimately,
The railroad commission granted an increase of $9.9 million,

1005
02:07:23,300 --> 02:07:23,300
or $2.1 million, more than what was offered in settlement six months earlier.

1006
02:07:29,940 --> 02:07:29,940
and so how was this settlement arrived at? Is this a negotiation that you participate in
Every year?

1007
02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:37,900
yes. The city hires consultants to help us review the case.

1008
02:07:42,260 --> 02:07:42,260
we identify issues that we think are appropriate.

1009
02:07:46,500 --> 02:07:46,500
we share those findings with the company. We talk through our differences.

1010
02:07:51,400 --> 02:07:54,760
and originally actually sent up in a black box settlement. We don't actually resolve the issues. We have a position on accumulated deferred income
Taxes.

1011
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:03,520
they have a position. We understand each other's position. But the settlement essentially a black box, they're agreeing to accept less money just to
Get the rates in place and avoid the cost and uncertainties of

1012
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:13,120
litigating this further at the railroad commission. So you mentioned a consultant.

1013
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:20,920
who is this consultant? What are their qualifications? What's their role in this process? The consultant we use this year,
Excuse me, I forget names.

1014
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:34,560
with nugen strategies and solutions, this is our first time using this firm.

1015
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:40,760
but they have expertise in gas rate cases. They've been doing this for years.

1016
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:49,630
we brought them in to look at the complex issues. The filing itself is a couple of thousand pages of work papers and very technical data.

1017
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:55,270
they requested a lot of additional information from atmos that again,
Had to sort through.

1018
02:09:02,030 --> 02:09:02,030
if it is appealed, we'll probably keep the same consultant and use them on appeal to the
Railroad commission.

1019
02:09:07,030 --> 02:09:09,750
but as I said, that's not a favorable forum for us. So what was nuijens recommendation to you as staff?

1020
02:09:16,430 --> 02:09:16,430
sorry, what was the recommendation? What did they conclude?

1021
02:09:20,830 --> 02:09:20,830
the consultant identified approximately $9 million in adjustments to the filing in
Negotiation settlements with the company.

1022
02:09:29,550 --> 02:09:29,550
we reached a middle ground that was about $4.1 million off the request,
Or about half of the identified issues.

1023
02:09:37,670 --> 02:09:37,670
the consultant found. And did you feel at the time that that was the best deal the city
Could make?

1024
02:09:43,550 --> 02:09:43,550
I believe it's a very reasonable outcome for this case and given our risk and chances on
Appeal,

1025
02:09:51,740 --> 02:09:51,740
I think it's extremely favorable to take this deal.

1026
02:09:56,900 --> 02:09:56,900
for those reasons, I will not be supporting this motion.

1027
02:10:02,020 --> 02:10:02,020
chairman gracey recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

1028
02:10:06,380 --> 02:10:06,380
we talked about this yesterday in the finance committee,
And I'm just trying to get a clarification. I know at some point,

1029
02:10:11,700 --> 02:10:11,700
you know, part of this is, you know, the impact it's going to cost to the customers and
Things like that. But when we talked about the two different rates,

1030
02:10:18,340 --> 02:10:21,620
there was the residential rate and there was the commercial rate. And I guess I'm trying to figure out at what point or I guess it's not going to happen,
But at what point could there have been an opportunity to propose

1031
02:10:31,380 --> 02:10:31,380
increasing the commercial rate and reducing the residential,
Or balancing it in such a way that residents aren't hit as hard with

1032
02:10:41,260 --> 02:10:41,260
these proposed rate increases? The way the dha mechanism works,

1033
02:10:51,330 --> 02:10:51,330
we take the last fully litigated full rate case that had a cost allocation study in it.

1034
02:10:57,050 --> 02:10:57,050
on what percentage of the cost are allocated to the three classes residential,
Commercial.

1035
02:11:03,290 --> 02:11:03,290
and then you have industrials also each year on the dark case,
We keep that cost allocation because we haven't done a new allocation study.

1036
02:11:12,010 --> 02:11:12,010
so we're keeping that in allocating those. So all three rates are going up residential and
Commercial.

1037
02:11:18,770 --> 02:11:18,770
after the committee meeting last night, I did crunch some numbers to see what the impact
Would be on the commercial rate if we held the

1038
02:11:28,330 --> 02:11:28,330
residential rates flat where they are right now,
And put all of this increase into commercial industrial.

1039
02:11:34,130 --> 02:11:34,130
it would result in the commercial customer charge going from $88 to 147.60.

1040
02:11:44,230 --> 02:11:47,710
almost going up 80%. The consumption charge would go up. Also, the average commercial customer would see their bill go up about $120 a month.

1041
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:53,510
the average industrial customer would see an increase of almost $2,000 a month,
Because there are ten times the number of residential customers.

1042
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:03,430
as commercial customers spreading that increase over a much bigger population results in a
Smaller impact.

1043
02:12:10,990 --> 02:12:10,990
but again, that cost allocation is a policy decision and within the purview of this
Council.

1044
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:16,470
so in other words, even if we were to try to put something together,
If I understood what you just said,

1045
02:12:20,910 --> 02:12:20,910
there's not enough dollars in that commercial space to even cover the the gap needed for
With the number compared to the number of residential,

1046
02:12:28,510 --> 02:12:28,510
without making the commercial rate so prohibitively high that it would not be viable.

1047
02:12:34,670 --> 02:12:34,670
okay. All right. Thank you. Chairman johnson,
You're recognized for or five minutes.

1048
02:12:42,580 --> 02:12:46,460
thank you. And I will be supporting of the motion. What I'm hearing and help me if I'm wrong. But this is pretty much like a no win for our
Residents.

1049
02:12:56,620 --> 02:12:56,620
if and this is what I said this yesterday, this is what I was told by a few months ago
When I asked this.

1050
02:13:03,740 --> 02:13:03,740
if we say no, then we just well, we just go to the railroad commission and get more than
What we're really asking you guys for.

1051
02:13:12,780 --> 02:13:15,740
so pretty much that's, that's the hand that you've been dealt. Is that pretty much fair to say? It is fair that it's a no win scenario?

1052
02:13:21,940 --> 02:13:21,940
understanding that the main driver in this rate case is investment in actual plan on the
Ground that atmos has made.

1053
02:13:29,260 --> 02:13:29,260
and we have never successfully argued to disallow investment in actual plant that's put in
The ground at the railroad commission or in the courts.

1054
02:13:37,220 --> 02:13:37,220
they're entitled to get a return on that. It's that's sort of a no win.

1055
02:13:42,410 --> 02:13:42,410
the question is, do we want to approve a settlement,
Which is not a big increase, is what they ask for,

1056
02:13:48,130 --> 02:13:48,130
or roll the dice at the commission and see if they get the full amount.

1057
02:13:52,370 --> 02:13:52,370
I understand that's a big dice to roll. It's tough when they are already expensive in my
Opinion.

1058
02:14:03,530 --> 02:14:06,890
and a lot of my residents are senior citizens in district four. We're growing. However, I've had more complaints about atmos being more than electric
Bill.

1059
02:14:14,290 --> 02:14:14,290
so this is a tough one. I'm making these statements publicly because my community is
Listening and it's kind of tough when

1060
02:14:24,530 --> 02:14:24,530
we're being, I would use the word as I used yesterday,
Seem like for a game of strong arm.

1061
02:14:30,250 --> 02:14:30,250
if you don't do this, then we'll do this. And so that that's been a problem for me.

1062
02:14:36,530 --> 02:14:36,530
and so although it is a roll of the dice, I just can't support increasing the rates on

1063
02:14:46,360 --> 02:14:46,360
our on our communities, especially in, in district four,
Where I have a lot of low income families that's already struggling.

1064
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:55,920
that, that seems unfair, but we are in a unfair tough situation.

1065
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:01,600
and again, when it was stated to me and my team when we met,
Pretty much if you guys don't go in this direction and we're just doing that other

1066
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:11,440
direction and I don't, it's like bullying in my opinion,
But that's just my opinion.

1067
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:17,840
so I just want to make that statement. But if you can address it,
If you choose to, well,

1068
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:22,120
and I can appreciate your situation, your responsibility,
Constituents, but as a regulatory body,

1069
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:30,720
we have an obligation to set rates that are fair and reasonable for atmos fair to the
Ratepayers and reasonable for the company to earn a reasonable profit to be an ongoing

1070
02:15:40,340 --> 02:15:40,340
concern. And that's a tough balance because sometimes they're at odds with each other.

1071
02:15:45,660 --> 02:15:45,660
and I understand it. And one of the things that was said,
And I'm glad they cleared it up yesterday after we met that when I was asking him about

1072
02:15:55,540 --> 02:15:55,540
the rate increase and why it was stated, a lot of the community work that was done.

1073
02:15:59,980 --> 02:15:59,980
and I know a whole bunch of people that do a lot of community work,
Great community work and give and never have their hand out to receive.

1074
02:16:06,060 --> 02:16:06,060
so that was some of the things that was a concern to me when I first met with them. But
Thank you for your expertise and your comment.

1075
02:16:12,660 --> 02:16:12,660
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairwoman mendelsohn,
You recognized for five minutes.

1076
02:16:18,380 --> 02:16:18,380
thank you. You know what? Nobody wants an increase in their rate for atmos.

1077
02:16:23,300 --> 02:16:23,300
nobody. I not ever had somebody ask me for that.

1078
02:16:27,420 --> 02:16:31,340
and it would feel really good to vote against the settlement. Right. Like I'm standing up for the people and they're this this is just outrageous.

1079
02:16:36,090 --> 02:16:36,090
we can't have a bigger atmos bill, but it's really cutting off our face,
Our nose to spite our face because there is going to be an

1080
02:16:45,650 --> 02:16:45,650
increase. The question is only will we accept the settlement,
Which is a lower increase, or will we take our chances at the railroad commission,

1081
02:16:55,050 --> 02:16:55,050
which is most assuredly going to go with atmos,
And we will end up with a higher rate?

1082
02:17:01,890 --> 02:17:01,890
so while I understand politically why it feels really good to say we are not going to
Accept the settlement,

1083
02:17:09,450 --> 02:17:09,450
the reality of what happens is atmos has to have a cost basis for the rate increase,
Correct?

1084
02:17:17,530 --> 02:17:17,530
that is correct. The rates were calculated. Looking at last year's actual expenses for the
Company said on their cost of service,

1085
02:17:27,250 --> 02:17:27,250
and because they invested so much more in plant,
They're entitled to return on it.

1086
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:32,240
it's a formulaic equation, and unfortunately,
The amount of pipe they're replacing, which some of it's quite old and probably needs to.

1087
02:17:41,160 --> 02:17:41,160
I'm not going to argue safety on not replacing pipe,
But with the investments they're making,

1088
02:17:45,960 --> 02:17:45,960
they're entitled to an increase in rates, and they will probably keep investing in the
Near future because atmos bought a system that was quite old when they bought it.

1089
02:17:55,800 --> 02:17:59,040
and there's pipe out there that's 50 years old. And when we have gas pipes that are leaking,
What is the consequence of that?

1090
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:08,720
hopefully all those leaks are identified before they become catastrophic. But gas leaks are a real safety issue, and we certainly don't want any in our
Neighborhoods and certainly don't want a catastrophic incident,

1091
02:18:17,880 --> 02:18:21,080
as there have been some in the press in the past. Fortunately, none recently. But. Well, I remember serving on the council when a house blew
Up and killed a young,

1092
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:28,240
a young woman. And I don't want that to happen all over our city.

1093
02:18:33,790 --> 02:18:33,790
we have gas pipes that need to be replaced. And in fact,
Although they're aggressively trying to do it,

1094
02:18:41,630 --> 02:18:41,630
I think they're also trying to stage it because of these rate increases.

1095
02:18:46,030 --> 02:18:46,030
and if we had a magic wand, we'd probably want them to do a lot more than what they're
Actually doing.

1096
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:53,190
do you want to say something? They are constrained a and how many crews they have that can
Replace pipe and how much money they have to spend each year.

1097
02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:02,190
if you look historically, 2016 is when they really started this massive rebuild or
Replacement and they started ramping up crews.

1098
02:19:10,470 --> 02:19:13,710
they have probably twice the number of crews they had in 16. But it takes time to train new crews how to go out and safely replace pipes.

1099
02:19:18,630 --> 02:19:18,630
and they've been ramping up and will probably continue at this spend rate,
At least in the foreseeable future.

1100
02:19:25,470 --> 02:19:25,470
okay. So once they propose it. Your job, which.

1101
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:33,500
nick. I mean, I think you've been here longer than me. You get all the data. You work with other cities in a consortium.

1102
02:19:37,460 --> 02:19:37,460
you all pore through the data with consultants,
You challenge some of the items.

1103
02:19:41,860 --> 02:19:41,860
you've obviously made some headway to get the settlement to be lower.

1104
02:19:45,900 --> 02:19:45,900
and then you come back to us to try to ratify the settlement.

1105
02:19:51,460 --> 02:19:51,460
and if not, we're going to go to the railroad commission.

1106
02:19:55,980 --> 02:19:55,980
that's correct. And I like to think of the settlement as rather than increasing rates by
32 million,

1107
02:20:02,340 --> 02:20:02,340
I like to think of it as saving $4 million of the city of dallas ratepayers money.

1108
02:20:07,180 --> 02:20:10,580
well, I think that you should be the politician then. Right. So by voting no on this item, you're going to actually save dallas residents $4
Million.

1109
02:20:18,540 --> 02:20:21,660
that's the political message that we ought to be saying. And the truth is, we can't always do the populist thing here.

1110
02:20:24,700 --> 02:20:28,360
we have to do what's right for our people, even if the. The candy version is, oh, we approved a rate increase.

1111
02:20:32,120 --> 02:20:35,080
well, no matter what, they're getting a rate increase. So I would just ask everyone, have the political courage.

1112
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:38,800
let's accept the settlement, which will again be lower than what we're going to be facing
Through the railroad commission.

1113
02:20:45,560 --> 02:20:49,320
we will not be able to say we denied the rate increase. We will not be able to say, oh, we had to have this because the railroad commission.

1114
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:53,640
but at the end of the day, you will have saved your residents $4 million collectively.

1115
02:20:58,480 --> 02:20:58,480
thank you. Miss cadena, you're recognized for five minutes.

1116
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:06,000
well, council member mendelsohn, you asked the question that I was going to ask was how
Much we would save or residents would save with following the city manager's

1117
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:15,800
recommendation. And so $4.1 million compared to what residents would have to pay is,
Is nobody wants to see an increase,

1118
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:28,030
but at least it's not the increase. If we went to the railroad commission. I know for district 6 in 2017, we had a planned gas outage and atmos replaced a lot of the
Aging pipes and infrastructure and

1119
02:21:37,550 --> 02:21:37,550
invested into the system. West dallas we had a major road that had a pipe for,
You know, that provided service for a lot of the city and

1120
02:21:47,430 --> 02:21:47,430
that was replaced as well. And so I can understand that they need to also balance
Investing in their infrastructure to keep our residents safe as well.

1121
02:21:57,390 --> 02:21:57,390
so thank you, mr. Mayor. For what purpose? I would like to call the question.

1122
02:22:05,630 --> 02:22:05,630
is there a second to that?

1123
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:19,750
all right. Not debatable. So we're going to vote on the on the motion to call the
Question.

1124
02:22:26,060 --> 02:22:26,060
all in favor say aye. Any opposed. Nay. All right.

1125
02:22:30,740 --> 02:22:34,300
let's have a record vote on that because I want to see. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state. Yes. If you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

1126
02:22:39,900 --> 02:22:39,900
yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Councilmember johnson.

1127
02:22:45,140 --> 02:22:49,020
yes. Councilmember resendez. Yes. Councilmember catana. No. Councilmember bazaldua. Yes. Councilmember blair.

1128
02:22:55,220 --> 02:22:55,220
councilmember blackmon. Yes. Councilmember stewart.

1129
02:22:59,340 --> 02:23:02,140
no. Council member. Mendelsohn. Council member. Roth no. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Councilmember ridley yes.

1130
02:23:09,740 --> 02:23:09,740
deputy mayor pro tem willis no. Mayor pro tem moreno no.

1131
02:23:16,500 --> 02:23:16,500
is absent when vote taken. No. Oh. Thank you.

1132
02:23:22,930 --> 02:23:22,930
mayor johnson. No. With

1133
02:23:32,810 --> 02:23:36,130
nine voting in favor, ten oppose the call fails,
Mr. Mayor. I think it requires two thirds. Okay. Ten.

1134
02:23:40,370 --> 02:23:43,370
ten members voting in favor. All right. I trust your count. I didn't count it myself, but I trust you. So deputy mayor pro tem recognized for five
Minutes.

1135
02:23:51,810 --> 02:23:51,810
thank you so much. So a couple more questions about this,
Because we did have a good discussion around this and looked at the numbers.

1136
02:23:58,570 --> 02:23:58,570
and so who has paid for the negotiation to date that we usually enter into.

1137
02:24:07,010 --> 02:24:07,010
who who foots that bill for this consultant. The if I'm understanding the question,
Who's paying for the

1138
02:24:16,610 --> 02:24:16,610
consultant outside counsel. The city of dallas has a contract for the consultant and
Outside counsel.

1139
02:24:23,070 --> 02:24:23,070
at the conclusion of this case, atmos will reimburse the city that expense and that
Expense is not passed on to ratepayers.

1140
02:24:31,110 --> 02:24:31,110
and how much is that? Both the contracts were done by the city attorney's office.

1141
02:24:37,150 --> 02:24:37,150
I don't have the exact numbers, but I know they were done under a a,
So that puts them under 75,000 each.

1142
02:24:42,310 --> 02:24:42,310
I believe if I remember my numbers. Okay. So if we go on and agree to this,
Then we get a reimbursement for negotiating down an amount.

1143
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:52,230
okay. Well, if we reject this who pays the bill if we go through the appeal and all the
Legal process,

1144
02:25:00,790 --> 02:25:00,790
if we go through the appeal at the conclusion of the case at the railroad commission,
Our expenses in fighting the case and atmos will be lumped together and

1145
02:25:10,630 --> 02:25:13,710
put in a surcharge that will go to the customers. So we will still get reimbursed. But the difference is,
Rather than atmos paying us, it will be surcharged out to all of the customers.

1146
02:25:21,340 --> 02:25:21,340
so for trying to appeal, people are going to be paying the price for that.

1147
02:25:27,140 --> 02:25:27,140
okay. And then if we reject this, if we, if we want to go on an appeal,
This higher rate,

1148
02:25:35,500 --> 02:25:39,020
that rate, the high rate goes into effect immediately. They can place the full amount of the request in service subject to refund,
But the rates would go up june 1st to the full amount of the request.

1149
02:25:48,380 --> 02:25:51,700
and at the conclusion of the case, the railroad commission. If rates were lower, there would be a credit on customers bills either one time or spread
Out over 12 months,

1150
02:25:58,580 --> 02:25:58,580
depending on what the commission decides to do. But the reality is,
With gas prices and grocery prices and all that,

1151
02:26:04,100 --> 02:26:04,100
this could be an immediate higher rate. It's the 1125 versus the 946,
$9.46.

1152
02:26:12,860 --> 02:26:12,860
so I know we're talking about $4 million because we're here at city hall,
But kitchen table.

1153
02:26:18,730 --> 02:26:22,610
you know, that's about 25 bucks a year. And it may not sound like a lot,
But. You know, in some households, you've really got to respect that.

1154
02:26:25,850 --> 02:26:25,850
every penny counts. And so I know we work through this each year.

1155
02:26:31,050 --> 02:26:31,050
it's just a kind of a hard pill to swallow, but I think we do need to go on and look at
The,

1156
02:26:36,850 --> 02:26:36,850
the odds are not in our favor. So and to take this careful negotiation that took place and
Go with the lower

1157
02:26:46,810 --> 02:26:46,810
rate because at the end of the day, that is what's going to make a difference.

1158
02:26:50,850 --> 02:26:50,850
and the dollars and cents at those at that kitchen table.

1159
02:26:54,970 --> 02:26:54,970
thank you. Chairwoman stewart, you're recognized for five minutes.

1160
02:27:01,370 --> 02:27:01,370
thank you, mayor johnson. I wasn't going to speak,
But because I'm changing my vote from yesterday when I served,

1161
02:27:08,250 --> 02:27:08,250
when I was on the finance committee, I felt like I should explain the change of mind.

1162
02:27:13,800 --> 02:27:13,800
I will say chair and chair. Mendelsohn comments are very persuasive,
As well as the fact that it is unlikely that the railroad commission would I think,

1163
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:23,320
award us anything lower than our negotiated 34 million because they have said the increase
Is going is,

1164
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:31,680
is the investment back into our neighborhoods. So because of that, I think because it's so very unlikely that we would win that rate
Case,

1165
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:39,000
I would then support the compromise. The city manager's office worked out,
Which is the 34 million.

1166
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:47,040
thank you. Mr. Roth recognized for three minutes.

1167
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:55,280
thank you. I'm a little bit confused, and I want to make sure I understand what we're
Voting on here.

1168
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:02,040
if we if we vote to deny the motion, are we approving the settlement amount?

1169
02:28:13,820 --> 02:28:13,820
okay, let me intervene here. Let me stop this time to get your question answered,
But not on your time.

1170
02:28:19,740 --> 02:28:19,740
that's really a parliamentary inquiry a little bit in terms of what the vote at this point
Would be,

1171
02:28:26,700 --> 02:28:26,700
because I do think it's confusing, and I've had to clarify it privately,
And I wanted to make sure everybody get benefited from it of what a vote for mr.

1172
02:28:35,540 --> 02:28:35,540
west's motion, which was a motion to deny the item,
Would accomplish.

1173
02:28:40,780 --> 02:28:40,780
so you can figure out which way you need to vote to achieve your objective,
Not not trying to persuade either way.

1174
02:28:46,140 --> 02:28:46,140
I just want to make sure everybody understands. That's exactly what a vote for his motion
To deny would do,

1175
02:28:51,660 --> 02:28:55,420
versus what a vote against his motion to deny would do. So please, if we could get that clarification,
That'd be great. Count against your time. Perfect. Mr.

1176
02:29:01,100 --> 02:29:01,100
mayor, the motion on the floor to deny this item would essentially keep the status quo,
The rates as they are.

1177
02:29:09,020 --> 02:29:09,020
it's what you guys are saying. Then that atmos would then appeal that to the trc.

1178
02:29:13,970 --> 02:29:13,970
according to our expert, the. If the motion failed,
It will leave the floor open to then have another motion to approve the

1179
02:29:23,930 --> 02:29:23,930
item, which would be to accept the settlement as negotiated by the city manager's office.

1180
02:29:30,930 --> 02:29:30,930
so. What that means is if you vote for

1181
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:40,730
this motion that's on the floor right now, that would be the end of the of the voting for
The day on this on this item,

1182
02:29:48,970 --> 02:29:48,970
if you want. And there would not be the settlement is not being selected at that point.

1183
02:29:55,130 --> 02:29:55,130
if you want to go to a secondary vote on that,
You would have to actually defeat this motion and someone would have to make the

1184
02:30:03,410 --> 02:30:03,410
affirmative motion on 32 to do what? Item 32 is on our agenda.

1185
02:30:10,480 --> 02:30:10,480
so that's. I don't know if that helped any. But it does.

1186
02:30:14,600 --> 02:30:18,200
and that's that's terrific clarification. So the. So then that's what I am going to suggest that we consider that we basically.

1187
02:30:26,200 --> 02:30:26,200
vote down this motion so that we can bring another motion to the table accepting the
Settlement.

1188
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:32,200
and so I want everybody to understand that, including myself,
To make sure that we know what we're voting on here.

1189
02:30:39,400 --> 02:30:39,400
I do have some some substantive questions also is that the the savings was $4 million.

1190
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:45,920
what was the beginning number versus the ending number?

1191
02:30:50,040 --> 02:30:50,040
what's the savings from the full amount of the increase was 38.1 million,
38 million versus

1192
02:30:59,000 --> 02:30:59,000
344.1. And the changes. Okay. And then and you discussed that there's a policy
Consideration in the allocation

1193
02:31:08,910 --> 02:31:08,910
of those. That increase is something that this body makes a decision on,
On, on how we establish or allocate those

1194
02:31:18,830 --> 02:31:18,830
increases versus residential, industrial and commercial.

1195
02:31:23,750 --> 02:31:23,750
it is within the purview of this body to change the allocation in the settlement agreement
That was put forward.

1196
02:31:31,870 --> 02:31:31,870
we kept the cost allocation as it was in our last fully litigated case,
Where they had a cost allocation study.

1197
02:31:39,950 --> 02:31:39,950
our experts and their experts debated the merits of that,
And that was what came out of that fully litigated case.

1198
02:31:46,830 --> 02:31:49,270
we did not change the cost allocation for this. Just the increase in rates was spread the way it was historically.

1199
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:55,870
and so, yes, we could change that cost allocation. Now, atmos would need to agree with our new allocation.

1200
02:31:59,710 --> 02:31:59,710
or again, they could appeal our decision. And we're back to that other negative option.

1201
02:32:04,650 --> 02:32:04,650
but yes, we can change the cost allocation, but and always has a right to appeal anything
We do.

1202
02:32:12,290 --> 02:32:12,290
and so the in the allocation right now is that we're not charging residential for the
Increase,

1203
02:32:18,330 --> 02:32:21,930
but we're, we're allocating it to commercial and industrial. The settlement that's before you allocates to all three classes in the larger portion of
That does go to the residential class.

1204
02:32:29,970 --> 02:32:29,970
and that's because they have more customers there.

1205
02:32:34,210 --> 02:32:34,210
and actually from the cost of service study,
Because you have more customers, there's more pipe in the ground to reach all those

1206
02:32:39,770 --> 02:32:39,770
neighborhoods more. The cost is directly assignable to them.

1207
02:32:44,010 --> 02:32:44,010
and then the last question is, and could you tell me what the the average increase for
Residential,

1208
02:32:50,290 --> 02:32:50,290
commercial and industrial. Was it $9 based on the settlement amount plus or minus?

1209
02:32:57,130 --> 02:32:57,130
yeah. Together with several cities to them. Sorry,
I have to look at

1210
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:06,960
notes. Too many numbers floating through my head. With the.

1211
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:23,000
yes, with the settlement. The average residential bill would increase by 946 per month,
And the average commercial bill would go up

1212
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:32,560
$32.35 per month. We did not calculate an average industrial customer because we don't
Know what the average industrial customer is.

1213
02:33:41,480 --> 02:33:41,480
there are only 94 of them, and they vary from very small glass shops to giant recycling
Plants,

1214
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:49,840
so an average would be meaningless. Okay. So at this point,
My my recommendation would be to defeat the motion and then ask for another motion to

1215
02:34:00,110 --> 02:34:00,110
to allocate the settlement. Thank you, chairwoman mendelsohn,
You're recognized for three,

1216
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:07,510
three minutes. Thank you. Well, I'm glad that we got to the bottom of this.

1217
02:34:13,150 --> 02:34:13,150
I think it is complicated with all the negatives that have been made in the way this has
Been stylized.

1218
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:20,550
but what I think is fascinating, and I really want to point out for my colleagues to think
About,

1219
02:34:27,030 --> 02:34:27,030
are the comments made about the price sensitivity of our residents.

1220
02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:31,830
I think that's very important. I think we do hear from residents saying all the utility
Bills are going up,

1221
02:34:38,470 --> 02:34:38,470
but yet we also saw them vote to increase a d isd bond to to the largest ever.

1222
02:34:46,030 --> 02:34:46,030
and so as we are entering budget season, I would say to you,
The totality of your residents budget needs to be considered.

1223
02:34:55,790 --> 02:34:55,790
and that includes their tax rate and to to marginalize that their taxes are just as
Important as their

1224
02:35:05,620 --> 02:35:09,580
monthly bill is to not understand their finances. And the property tax bill only shows up once a year,
Unless you're a renter, when it's every single month part of your rent,

1225
02:35:16,300 --> 02:35:19,020
I'm going to tweak you a little bit on germaneness. So agenda item, the bill is showing up monthly and it's in your face.

1226
02:35:23,980 --> 02:35:23,980
and so don't let that take your eye off the prize of let's work together to make
Affordability,

1227
02:35:34,060 --> 02:35:34,060
not just with atmos, but with multiple items that we impact.

1228
02:35:38,300 --> 02:35:38,300
thank you, chairman ridley, you're recognized for three minutes.

1229
02:35:43,460 --> 02:35:43,460
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to follow up on the line of questioning I previously had
With you,

1230
02:35:50,260 --> 02:35:50,260
nick. When I asked about when, what was the outcome when the city denied the right
Request.

1231
02:35:58,560 --> 02:35:58,560
the council denied the settlement on the rate request and it went up to the railroad
Commission.

1232
02:36:03,720 --> 02:36:03,720
you identified the last time we did. That was 2016,
2017, 2017.

1233
02:36:09,400 --> 02:36:09,400
all right. And I take it that every year since that 2017.

1234
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:22,480
I think you have been involved in those negotiations. We have a negotiation with atmos and each one of those years.

1235
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:25,600
correct? That is correct. And in each one of those years,
We hired a consultant just like we did this year to advise us on what was a reasonable

1236
02:36:33,320 --> 02:36:33,320
rate increase. Is that right? Yes. And every year since 2017,
This council has

1237
02:36:42,520 --> 02:36:42,520
approved the a the settlement agreement with atmos to reduce the total amount that they
Asked for in terms of an increase.

1238
02:36:52,160 --> 02:36:52,160
is that correct? That is correct. With the exception of that one year in 2017,
2017.

1239
02:36:58,230 --> 02:36:58,230
so for the last eight years, we have been accepting this council has been accepting the
Rate that you and your people were able to negotiate with us.

1240
02:37:08,110 --> 02:37:08,110
yes. So if we approve this motion, we will be departing from that eight year practice of
Accepting the work of

1241
02:37:17,950 --> 02:37:17,950
our representatives in negotiating the best deal they could with atmos.

1242
02:37:24,070 --> 02:37:24,070
correct. Now, let's put this into context. This isn't just between dallas,
The city of dallas and atmos.

1243
02:37:32,110 --> 02:37:32,110
this negotiation involves other cities as well,
Doesn't it?

1244
02:37:37,070 --> 02:37:40,790
this rate case is only for the city of dallas. Our rates are separate from all the surrounding cities.

1245
02:37:44,990 --> 02:37:47,950
the dallas annual rate review applies only to us. So there's no consortium anymore where cities band together to negotiate the best deal.

1246
02:37:53,700 --> 02:37:53,700
there is a consortium of all the cities around us,
But we are not a part of that because.

1247
02:38:01,380 --> 02:38:01,380
I'll give you a rate history here. We'll go back 15 years before we had a annual rate
Review.

1248
02:38:08,140 --> 02:38:10,780
it used to be each city was completely separate. City of dallas rates were much lower than every other city on the lone star gas system,
The predecessor to atmos.

1249
02:38:19,540 --> 02:38:19,540
while txu gas owned it, they wanted to go to unified rates statewide.

1250
02:38:24,060 --> 02:38:24,060
we fought in that case, and what ended up the other city decided to settle because their
Rates stayed the same in dallas,

1251
02:38:32,140 --> 02:38:35,820
rates went up drastically to equal what everybody else had. And because of our density of housing, our age of our system,
The way the dallas system was built,

1252
02:38:44,220 --> 02:38:44,220
our cost of service was lower, and we should have lower rates benefiting from that density
Of customers.

1253
02:38:50,060 --> 02:38:50,060
and that's the reason we've stayed separate from the other cities,
Not carrying their water,

1254
02:38:55,410 --> 02:38:59,050
but trying to do what's best for our citizens. And since 2014, when we started the da, every year after this case is done and the other
Cities have their rate

1255
02:39:08,850 --> 02:39:08,850
review mechanism done, I've looked at the rates and dallas customers have benefited from
Us having separate rates from the other cities.

1256
02:39:15,970 --> 02:39:15,970
so we have lower rates than smaller cities. Our rates have been lower for dallas
Customers.

1257
02:39:23,210 --> 02:39:26,690
average customer in dallas uses slightly more gas than system wide. So you can't really look at the published average bill.

1258
02:39:30,050 --> 02:39:33,850
you have to look at the actual components and calculate what a dallas customer would pay. And yes, we have fared been favorable for dallas residents to have our own rates.

1259
02:39:38,970 --> 02:39:38,970
right. Well, I think we should support what our negotiators have been able to negotiate
With atmos.

1260
02:39:44,730 --> 02:39:44,730
we're not going to do that as a council. We've empowered our staff to negotiate with atmos
And I think we should support what they did and the

1261
02:39:54,510 --> 02:39:54,510
best deal that they could make. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on,
For or against?

1262
02:40:01,070 --> 02:40:01,070
chairman west motion to deny the agenda. Item 32.

1263
02:40:05,190 --> 02:40:05,190
seeing none. Let's have a record vote on this.

1264
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:13,750
thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose. Council member. West. No. Council member.

1265
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:19,510
gracey. No. Council member. Johnson. No. Council member.

1266
02:40:23,590 --> 02:40:23,590
resendez. Council member. Cadena. No. I'm sorry.

1267
02:40:29,150 --> 02:40:29,150
no. Thank you. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member.

1268
02:40:35,350 --> 02:40:35,350
blair. Council member. Blackmon. No. Council member.

1269
02:40:40,190 --> 02:40:40,190
stewart. No. Councilmember roth. No. Councilmember mendelsohn.

1270
02:40:45,070 --> 02:40:45,070
no. Council member. Ridley. Deputy mayor pro tem.

1271
02:40:49,260 --> 02:40:49,260
willis. No. Mayor. Pro tem moreno. Yes. Mayor.

1272
02:40:56,140 --> 02:40:56,140
johnson. No. With one voting in favor, 14 opposed.

1273
02:41:02,660 --> 02:41:06,180
the motion fails, mr. Mayor. All right. Is there a mayor? May I be recognized? Yes you are. I'd like to make a motion to approve the item.

1274
02:41:10,020 --> 02:41:10,020
second, it's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Chairwoman mendelsohn any? No,
I think we've discussed it at all, mr.

1275
02:41:15,620 --> 02:41:15,620
roff. Okay. You can turn off your mic. Sorry.

1276
02:41:22,620 --> 02:41:25,540
anyone else want to speak on four against item 32? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

1277
02:41:28,100 --> 02:41:30,900
ayes have it. Next item. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 34. Agenda item 34.

1278
02:41:38,420 --> 02:41:38,420
authorize one. A secured 0% interest forgivable loan agreement approved as to form by the
City attorney in the amount of $800,000

1279
02:41:48,330 --> 02:41:52,050
to first presbyterian church of dallas, texas,
Dba. The stewpot to provide for rehabilitation of property located at 1610 south malcolm x
Boulevard,

1280
02:41:59,890 --> 02:41:59,890
dallas, texas 75226, which provides comprehensive,
No cost, barrier free medical, dental and psychiatric services for

1281
02:42:09,690 --> 02:42:09,690
individuals experiencing homelessness for the period june 1st,
2026 through july 31st, 2027,

1282
02:42:17,650 --> 02:42:17,650
and to the execution of any and all terms, conditions and documents required by the
Forgivable loan agreement not to exceed

1283
02:42:26,330 --> 02:42:26,330
$800,000. This item was pulled by council member mendelsohn motion to approve.

1284
02:42:32,570 --> 02:42:35,970
second, it's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

1285
02:42:40,770 --> 02:42:40,770
stewpot is a great organization and I support this item.

1286
02:42:45,280 --> 02:42:45,280
so I'm just going to start with that. But I do have a number of questions. I'm wondering
If they might be able to directly answer them.

1287
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:16,960
hi brenda. Can you tell us specifically what the 800 000 will do?

1288
02:43:24,040 --> 02:43:27,320
oh, you got to push the button there and then speak right into the microphone. Thank you. Thank you. Council and council member.

1289
02:43:31,400 --> 02:43:31,400
mendelsohn. Many of you may know that in december of 2024,
We purchased the city square campus that they had unfortunately let

1290
02:43:41,310 --> 02:43:41,310
the city know that in may that they were going to have to go out of business.

1291
02:43:47,270 --> 02:43:47,270
and so we began after they selected us to purchase the campus for $7 million to begin a
Fundraising campaign starting

1292
02:43:57,230 --> 02:44:01,110
in july, we had to close on the campus by december. That wasn't a lot of time to do that. And it's about a $10 million lift the,
The capital to,

1293
02:44:09,670 --> 02:44:09,670
to purchase the campus as well as the refurbishment of the campus.

1294
02:44:14,030 --> 02:44:14,030
it's a big lift. So we moved into the campus in december so that the food pantry that now
Serves over 300 households a day

1295
02:44:23,550 --> 02:44:23,550
midweek would not stop and that we would continue those resources when we were at our old
Location for almost 50 years

1296
02:44:33,510 --> 02:44:33,510
we had our clinics, medical and dental clinics,
As well as mental health clinics in the building.

1297
02:44:40,250 --> 02:44:40,250
that's just right down the street here. First started with doctors and dentists from the
Church as a voluntary capacity,

1298
02:44:49,810 --> 02:44:49,810
and then began a partnership in the 90s with parkland.

1299
02:44:53,970 --> 02:44:53,970
when we moved to the new campus, we had to do many upgrades.

1300
02:44:58,010 --> 02:44:58,010
that was the 3 million of our 10 million capital campaign.

1301
02:45:02,570 --> 02:45:06,370
and so we have raised a little over 8 million. So the the homes, clinics, the medical and dental have been on our campus since early of
2025.

1302
02:45:15,650 --> 02:45:15,650
however, they're in their mobile units because there was not a facility or one of the
Buildings that would really meet the needs for the clinics.

1303
02:45:26,090 --> 02:45:26,090
the one that we're using is going to need a lot of water and hvac and other electrical
Components.

1304
02:45:34,850 --> 02:45:34,850
so that that is about a $2 million investment in that building.

1305
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:40,680
being able to have this $800,000 from the cbdg funds will allow us,
Along with 500,000 that we are receiving from the

1306
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:50,520
county and 500,000 from a private foundation,
And then several other miscellaneous groups to be able to outfit,

1307
02:45:59,880 --> 02:45:59,880
construct and have the medical and dental clinics.

1308
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,440
we already have metro care in the partners building. That's what we're calling it. In the building.

1309
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:09,600
so it will outfit the two clinics, four dental bays and three medical bays,
As well as much more space than they had at our

1310
02:46:19,560 --> 02:46:19,560
old building. So that's what the 800,000 will do for capital upgrades.

1311
02:46:24,760 --> 02:46:24,760
thank you. So here's here's two things that are the issue.

1312
02:46:30,320 --> 02:46:33,800
one, when we talk about medical, dental and mental health. Yes. None of those services are the city. Those are all the county.

1313
02:46:36,910 --> 02:46:36,910
correct. And what we're supplying on the forgivable loan is cdbg funds,
Meaning it's from the federal government.

1314
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:49,670
you're an essential agency. I think these are essential services. I'm okay with doing this, but I do think there needs to be a recognition that this is
Really the county's responsibility.

1315
02:46:56,430 --> 02:46:56,430
and while they may have given you half $1 million,
They should have given you the rest of the money as well.

1316
02:47:01,950 --> 02:47:04,630
and I don't think it should be coming from us. Okay. That's one part. The second part is if you can talk about what your plans are with
The expansion and nearby

1317
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:14,710
partnership with austin street. Okay. And I do want to respond on the county.

1318
02:47:20,430 --> 02:47:20,430
they will also be doing the fixture, furniture,
Fixture and equipment.

1319
02:47:24,990 --> 02:47:28,670
so they are putting more money in as well as running the services. So I understand what you're saying. Council member mendelsohn as far as the partnership,
I'm just going to say this $800,000 could also be to rehab our own city

1320
02:47:38,540 --> 02:47:38,540
properties, which have been extensively covered in the news as needing repair.

1321
02:47:43,780 --> 02:47:47,020
and it could be many properties that it could be. This is a priority. Again, I'm for this item,
But really the county should be doing all of this in my opinion.

1322
02:47:54,100 --> 02:47:58,020
so but please tell us about this expansion plans. So our expansion of our campus has been to meet the needs in our community,
Particularly in south dallas.

1323
02:48:05,380 --> 02:48:05,380
we already expanded our food pantry from four days that city square was doing to five days
A week.

1324
02:48:13,180 --> 02:48:16,460
and they were serving about 200 households a day. We're now over 300 households a day. We are expanding our id services,
Which do manage the all the other

1325
02:48:26,340 --> 02:48:26,340
agencies refer to us to do id services for folks to get employment and housing.

1326
02:48:35,440 --> 02:48:35,440
our expansion with austin street is just in the fact that we will be serving more of their
Clients coming over for.

1327
02:48:43,080 --> 02:48:43,080
they come over for id services. The. As once people are housed,
They use our food pantry.

1328
02:48:48,120 --> 02:48:48,120
their case managers, like our case managers,
Help with getting food to their newly housed folks.

1329
02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:54,000
and then of course, the expansion of the medical and dental and mental health.

1330
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:01,080
we will be able to serve, serve, and austin street will be able to utilize the campus
More.

1331
02:49:07,360 --> 02:49:07,360
and many people don't realize geographically you are very close to them.

1332
02:49:11,800 --> 02:49:11,800
how would you characterize your distance? There's one street in between us.

1333
02:49:16,040 --> 02:49:16,040
dawson and austin street is right behind our kind of u shaped campus.

1334
02:49:22,360 --> 02:49:22,360
we're a four acre campus, dawson. We have parking on dawson.

1335
02:49:27,440 --> 02:49:31,030
and then there are some empty lots and austin streets. The back of their facility backs up to us. And then what about the future plans to make
This a very large homeless service center?

1336
02:49:41,070 --> 02:49:44,430
well, what we already do is collaborate with austin street. We already always have, and we are one of the leading agencies in the continuum of care
And serve folks.

1337
02:49:51,630 --> 02:49:51,630
and so the idea is for both of our campuses to continue our upgrades to be safe and more
Attractive.

1338
02:50:00,950 --> 02:50:00,950
we have talked about doing things between the two campuses so that people aren't just
Living between the campuses,

1339
02:50:09,870 --> 02:50:09,870
that we are getting them housed, that we are beautifying the area for our neighbors and
Our our constituents.

1340
02:50:18,070 --> 02:50:18,070
and what about longer term plans to add additional buildings and make a very large service
Center there.

1341
02:50:25,390 --> 02:50:25,390
currently, we're just thinking about the two campuses and what we have upgrades.

1342
02:50:29,940 --> 02:50:29,940
our upgrades are for the parkland facility, and I know austin street is doing the respite
Center beds and doing the renovation of their old

1343
02:50:39,860 --> 02:50:39,860
facility. We have had conversations and looked at what we can do to beautify the campuses
Together,

1344
02:50:47,740 --> 02:50:51,100
and that is what we are currently talking about. We have talked in small groups about potentially things down the road in other phases,
But there are no immediate plans to do that.

1345
02:51:01,100 --> 02:51:01,100
but aren't these upgrades the 800,000 for the medical,
Dental and mental health?

1346
02:51:08,180 --> 02:51:08,180
really a first step in creating a very large new homeless center.

1347
02:51:16,300 --> 02:51:16,300
we were already going to do that whether we collaborated with austin street or not.

1348
02:51:22,820 --> 02:51:22,820
it does provide the services that are needed in south dallas,
Not only for the folks that are are experiencing homelessness,

1349
02:51:30,770 --> 02:51:30,770
but also south dallas residents and newly housed folks.

1350
02:51:35,010 --> 02:51:35,010
so the 800 000 is to support what the stewpot needs to continue doing what we were doing,
As well as to meet

1351
02:51:44,930 --> 02:51:44,930
more need with the food pantry and the middle or lower to middle income folks that are
Coming for the pantry.

1352
02:51:52,130 --> 02:51:52,130
some of the other services that we have. So we are doing our basic infrastructure,
What's needed.

1353
02:51:58,770 --> 02:51:58,770
I know austin street is also looking at what's needed for their campus.

1354
02:52:03,250 --> 02:52:03,250
and so we, we are in discussions about if we were to continue on what other phases might
Look like,

1355
02:52:09,890 --> 02:52:09,890
but right now we're just trying to manage to upgrade the campus.

1356
02:52:15,410 --> 02:52:15,410
the, you know, additional capital raise that I,
I am having my team do is a lot of

1357
02:52:25,190 --> 02:52:29,070
maintenance that was not neglected over the last few years. So our current capital raise is to outfit our parkland,
Which was to meet the need of the,

1358
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:35,990
the neighbors that we've been serving for years as well as,
You know, expanding and serving more.

1359
02:52:41,470 --> 02:52:41,470
thank you. This is intended for that use. And it's the discussion is to close the bridge
And

1360
02:52:51,350 --> 02:52:51,350
build a big campus that's adjacent and incorporates the stew pot and austin street.

1361
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:57,590
that is not our intent at all. The discussion that we have had,
Even with the bridge, is that we want to take pressure off them

1362
02:53:07,270 --> 02:53:07,270
to be able to have more folks coming and being at the two campuses and then work with the
Bridge,

1363
02:53:16,270 --> 02:53:16,270
the other shelters dallas life, salvation army to continue to,
To have a triage center

1364
02:53:26,460 --> 02:53:26,460
that can get folks to other places. But the,
At least in, I mean, as you know, we do meal services for the bridge.

1365
02:53:34,420 --> 02:53:34,420
we would not be a part of anything that would try to put the bridge out of out of
Commission.

1366
02:53:40,180 --> 02:53:43,500
the bridge may be moved over there. So I understand. Thank you very much for the information, I appreciate it.

1367
02:53:45,940 --> 02:53:45,940
thank you. Council member colleagues, I'm just going to say this. Sometimes we are fed
Information and drips.

1368
02:53:52,340 --> 02:53:52,340
this is a drip. And as you're approving this,
Which I think you should, you have to understand that this is part of a plan that we're

1369
02:54:00,380 --> 02:54:00,380
not even aware of yet, that we're not even read into.

1370
02:54:04,460 --> 02:54:04,460
but this is the stage where we're getting the mental health,
The physical health and the dental situated for a new campus that's coming.

1371
02:54:14,340 --> 02:54:14,340
and just like we're not read into what's really happening with city hall,
We're not really read into what's happening here either.

1372
02:54:21,850 --> 02:54:21,850
thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on for or against agenda item 34?

1373
02:54:27,970 --> 02:54:30,610
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

1374
02:54:34,570 --> 02:54:37,210
before I move to your next item, council member. I would like to be recognized, mr. Mayor. Councilwoman.

1375
02:54:42,370 --> 02:54:42,370
for what purpose? I move to suspend city council rules of procedure,
Section 7.6 to allow for a motion to reconsider an item from the april

1376
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:52,230
8th, 2026 voting agenda. Is there a second? Second.

1377
02:54:56,930 --> 02:54:56,930
it's been moved. And second. Is there any discussion?

1378
02:55:03,690 --> 02:55:03,690
I'm sorry. Is there any debate allowed on this?

1379
02:55:10,330 --> 02:55:10,330
parliamentary inquiry to what that agenda item is.

1380
02:55:15,090 --> 02:55:18,800
the item I will allow the parliamentarian to explain it. Once I made sure we got a motion and a second.

1381
02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:22,800
so we're actually technically. Supposed to be moving straight to voting on this,
Not discussing it.

1382
02:55:31,360 --> 02:55:31,360
so there isn't a second at this time. There was.

1383
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:35,520
but I want to entertain a parliamentary inquiry before we vote on this.

1384
02:55:39,880 --> 02:55:41,960
so it's not discussion. We're not debating this. It's not a debatable motion I'm told. So I'm gonna let the parliamentarian explain the
Context of the motion and what,

1385
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:48,000
what the, the underlying agenda item was. So go ahead,
Mr.

1386
02:55:56,040 --> 02:55:56,040
mayor. This item, I believe the the next motion will ask,
Could you speak directly into the I'm sorry,

1387
02:56:02,600 --> 02:56:02,600
the, the next motion should be if this motion passes,
There would be a motion to reconsider a zoning item from the april 8th

1388
02:56:12,360 --> 02:56:16,260
agenda. It was a open enrollment charter school,
I believe. Thank you. So there's no debate on this. So it's just a simple vote.

1389
02:56:23,300 --> 02:56:23,300
but it will require two thirds to suspend the rules.

1390
02:56:27,820 --> 02:56:27,820
so all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Hearing no no's.

1391
02:56:35,660 --> 02:56:35,660
the ayes have it. So miss cadena do you have another motion.

1392
02:56:40,420 --> 02:56:40,420
yes. I move to reconsider the april 8th, 2026 vote on agenda item z 25000151 and direct
The city manager

1393
02:56:50,420 --> 02:56:50,420
to notice this item and to place it on the june 24th,
2026 city council meeting agenda.

1394
02:56:57,140 --> 02:56:57,140
is there a second? Second? All right. It's been moved and seconded.

1395
02:57:02,460 --> 02:57:02,460
so this motion to reconsider. Debatable. I assume that one is,
But I'll confirm it.

1396
02:57:10,020 --> 02:57:10,020
technically the motion to reconsider is as debatable as the underlying motion,
Which was debatable.

1397
02:57:16,330 --> 02:57:16,330
however, this hasn't actually been posted, so it's sort of a fine line between how far
Into the merits you would go.

1398
02:57:22,970 --> 02:57:22,970
chairwoman mendelsohn for what purpose? My purpose is to just say that I believe you're
Reading a motion that the city attorney gave you,

1399
02:57:31,010 --> 02:57:31,010
and I would request that the city attorney, when doing things like this,
Actually explain what the motion is,

1400
02:57:36,290 --> 02:57:36,290
instead of a date from a while ago that no one would remember what the agenda item is.

1401
02:57:44,250 --> 02:57:44,250
and so if that clarity could be given, it would be appreciated.

1402
02:57:48,490 --> 02:57:48,490
I think that's duly noted and a fair observation in this case.

1403
02:57:53,970 --> 02:57:53,970
it's a little strange. Okay. For what purpose,
Chairman ridley.

1404
02:57:58,490 --> 02:57:58,490
now remember, we are still we're on this motion to reconsider and we're going to. Yes,
It's a parliamentary inquiry.

1405
02:58:04,170 --> 02:58:04,170
I'm just curious to know which way the council voted on it originally,
So we'll know what are

1406
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:13,760
reconsideration does on mr. Mayor. On april 8th,
The city council voted unanimously to deny an application for an scp for an

1407
02:58:24,200 --> 02:58:24,200
open enrollment charter school located on harry hines.

1408
02:58:29,800 --> 02:58:29,800
thank you. I believe. Anyone else have any permanent inquiries before we get to the
Underlying motion to reconsider?

1409
02:58:41,680 --> 02:58:41,680
all right. Is there any discussion on the motion to reconsider?

1410
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:49,960
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it, so the item passes. Thank you.

1411
02:58:53,920 --> 02:58:57,600
miss cadena and madam secretary, we can move on to the next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next agenda item is agenda item 39.

1412
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:04,480
agenda item 39. Authorize a three year service price agreement for a temporary sanitation
Field labor for the department of sanitation services a.

1413
02:59:13,990 --> 02:59:17,710
and associates, inc.. Most advantageous proposal of ten. Estimated amount of $66,324,838.08. This item was pulled by council,
Members, mendelsohn and roth.

1414
02:59:27,910 --> 02:59:27,910
is there a motion moved to defer to june 24th?

1415
02:59:32,430 --> 02:59:32,430
is that the agenda? It is june 24th. Okay. Is there a second?

1416
02:59:37,230 --> 02:59:37,230
second. It's been moved and seconded. Chairwoman mendelsohn,
You recognized for five minutes on your motion to defer item 39.

1417
02:59:43,830 --> 02:59:43,830
thank you. This is a very large contract and there's two items on here.

1418
02:59:48,270 --> 02:59:48,270
one is a contract is predicated on a living wage that may exceed the competitive wage.

1419
02:59:55,550 --> 02:59:55,550
chairman west had indicated to me that he will bring that to a special called finance
Committee meeting for discussion.

1420
03:00:02,150 --> 03:00:05,630
so I think it's important for us to allow that discussion to happen. The second item is especially for those who've been here a long time,
We've had a lot of conversations about sanitation,

1421
03:00:13,170 --> 03:00:13,170
about curb and alley pickup. And repeatedly I've asked about neighborhoods being able to
Opt out of sanitation services with the city.

1422
03:00:22,330 --> 03:00:22,330
and the answer is no. They may not. And I don't believe that's proper.

1423
03:00:28,010 --> 03:00:28,010
if a neighborhood wishes to contract with a private provider,
Since we are doing a cost recovery model,

1424
03:00:34,210 --> 03:00:34,210
they should be able to. Number two, the sanitation department.

1425
03:00:38,890 --> 03:00:42,850
I'd actually like to see what. If the whole thing was outsourced? Like, why do we even run this? And I will just say,
Given all the things I have seen over seven years,

1426
03:00:49,810 --> 03:00:49,810
I can't imagine there aren't many vendors in our area that couldn't run this in a lower
Cost and more efficient manner.

1427
03:00:57,810 --> 03:00:57,810
and I'd like to see what that looks like and for the council to be able to evaluate it.

1428
03:01:02,250 --> 03:01:02,250
thank you. Is there anyone wants to speak on for or against the motion by chairwoman.

1429
03:01:10,320 --> 03:01:13,480
mr. Roth, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you. I had similar concerns. I'd like to understand the makeup of this agreement with the
Outsourcing of the temporary employment as

1430
03:01:23,480 --> 03:01:23,480
to what the living wage amount and what our contracted amount is,
And understand the differential in the cost situation.

1431
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:32,160
also, I would like to really understand where we are in the process of the trash to trash
Pickup situation,

1432
03:01:42,680 --> 03:01:42,680
which I think in our past, public discussions requested analysis of perhaps outsourcing

1433
03:01:52,440 --> 03:01:52,440
or making modifications to our our arrangements on that.

1434
03:01:56,680 --> 03:02:00,680
and I think so it's, it's I think it's appropriate to defer this. Let us re re reevaluate the the costs associated with the temporary employment
Arrangement,

1435
03:02:09,830 --> 03:02:09,830
and also clarify some of these operational potential possibilities that might benefit our
Citizens better.

1436
03:02:18,190 --> 03:02:18,190
so I would ask everybody to agree to to the deferral.

1437
03:02:24,270 --> 03:02:27,230
madam city manager. Yes. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. And I wanted to thank you, councilmember roth,
For your questions. So I wanted to just go back to a couple of comments that were made.

1438
03:02:35,390 --> 03:02:35,390
we have provided consistent updates on the whole alley to curb transition.

1439
03:02:41,310 --> 03:02:41,310
in fact, there was a memo that you received last friday where we requested for council
Members to give us time so that we can meet with you individually to discuss and talk

1440
03:02:50,390 --> 03:02:54,190
about the rollout of how we're planning for that transition. We've talked about that quite extensively that I know you've,
You and I have had several one on one conversations,

1441
03:02:59,230 --> 03:02:59,230
but we also issued two separate memorandums for the item that is before you.

1442
03:03:04,100 --> 03:03:04,100
today, we issued a memorandum on april the 21st to give the city council an opportunity to
Again know about this particular item,

1443
03:03:12,300 --> 03:03:12,300
which is about the temporary help that helps us provide the current services across the
City.

1444
03:03:19,260 --> 03:03:19,260
we then issued another memorandum on may the 26th to give you another opportunity to
Understand what this item is about.

1445
03:03:26,420 --> 03:03:26,420
and so my request would be if there are specific questions about the actual temporary
Labor,

1446
03:03:32,020 --> 03:03:32,020
which is what we need right now in order to keep collections within our neighborhoods stay
With our current model.

1447
03:03:39,460 --> 03:03:39,460
we have never said that we would not come back and continue to explore opportunities to
Look at how we become more efficient.

1448
03:03:45,740 --> 03:03:45,740
we talked about that in the entire debate about the whole alley to curb transition,
How we would be looking for potential opportunities if there's a third party where we

1449
03:03:55,260 --> 03:03:59,220
could have neighborhoods be able to opt out. So that is not off the table. But this item before you today is the services right now and the support that we need in
Order to continue to pick up trash

1450
03:04:08,800 --> 03:04:12,160
across the city. And so that is the item that's before the city council. I just wanted to make sure that I clarified and the communication that we've had about
This item in particular over the last a month and a half.

1451
03:04:19,520 --> 03:04:19,520
thank you so much. Thank you. So my question regarding the numbers is that is the contract
Amount

1452
03:04:29,440 --> 03:04:32,440
that we're dealing with these folks on a temporary basis. How much are we paying them versus what what is the delta on the living wage that's being
Incorporated in that deal?

1453
03:04:41,680 --> 03:04:41,680
and, and I do have a copy of that. May 26th that was just handed to me.

1454
03:04:46,720 --> 03:04:46,720
unfortunately, I didn't have it beforehand. The what I'm concerned about is,
Is if we're dealing,

1455
03:04:52,920 --> 03:04:56,400
what is the living wage? Are we dealing with a market rate? Are we imposing a responsibility on our contracting people to create a living wage model
Based on the cemetery.

1456
03:05:05,950 --> 03:05:09,910
yes, sir. Formally, rather than some other opportunity. So I need to understand what's being where the $22 million a year is being spent.

1457
03:05:15,790 --> 03:05:15,790
yes. Yes, sir. And so again, this item is a three year service price agreement.

1458
03:05:20,510 --> 03:05:20,510
and we can definitely explain what the living wage component,
When the item was procured,

1459
03:05:25,430 --> 03:05:25,430
is procured under the current living wage that has been adopted by the city council.

1460
03:05:30,150 --> 03:05:30,150
and so we can definitely explain what that increase is compared to when we had this
Previous agreement and what the living wage was during that time.

1461
03:05:37,710 --> 03:05:39,950
but staff is prepared to answer those questions now. Thank you. Mr.. Cliff. Yes, ma'am. Cliff gillespie,
Director, sanitation.

1462
03:05:46,790 --> 03:05:46,790
the current contract that for temporary labor was procured in 2021,
The living wage at the time was

1463
03:05:55,310 --> 03:05:55,310
$15.23 per hour. We paid the total hourly cost that we paid under that contract is

1464
03:06:05,060 --> 03:06:05,060
$20.31 an hour. So that the difference between the hour,
The living wage that's being paid to the temporary laborer on the truck,

1465
03:06:14,580 --> 03:06:14,580
and what we're paying is the vendors overhead.

1466
03:06:19,500 --> 03:06:19,500
okay. Under the new contract we're this procurement process was started in fy 25.

1467
03:06:26,420 --> 03:06:30,180
the living wage at the time was $22.05 an hour. That's a 45% increase over five years ago. And our overall contract hourly rate is

1468
03:06:39,780 --> 03:06:39,780
$29.63 an hour, also a 45% increase. So the vendors overhead is staying percentage wise,
The same as it was under the previous contract.

1469
03:06:49,300 --> 03:06:53,020
so there's basically a $5 delta roughly. Yes,
Sir. Versus what it was. And what is it. And the beginning number on that $5 delta is a number
That we've established through this mit living

1470
03:07:02,810 --> 03:07:02,810
wage item. I mean analysis, is that correct? Yes.

1471
03:07:08,690 --> 03:07:08,690
juanita ortiz office of procurement services the council adopted in november 2015 the
Living wage policy.

1472
03:07:16,610 --> 03:07:16,610
and so it basically states that for our competitive solicitations,
We will include a living wage based on the mit calculator for dallas county.

1473
03:07:26,610 --> 03:07:26,610
and so at the time of the, when we first implemented the living wage,
It was 1037, but that's updated annually to reflect the

1474
03:07:36,530 --> 03:07:36,530
living wage calculator. And so at the time of this solicitation,
It was 2205.

1475
03:07:43,250 --> 03:07:43,250
so we're paying basically a guy to ride on the back of a truck,
$50,000 a year to do that.

1476
03:07:52,130 --> 03:07:52,130
which is 25 bucks a hour times 2050 hours if they were a full time employee.

1477
03:08:00,280 --> 03:08:04,080
I'll take your word for that. I have not done the well,
It's it's math. 25 times two is 50. And so I'm asking my question is,
Why are we paying $50,000 for the guys who are hanging

1478
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:16,120
on the back of the truck to pick up the trash? Seems like to me it's a lot of money. And again,
I don't understand it.

1479
03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:20,960
and so that's what I'm trying to get at is it's we need the people to pick up the trash.

1480
03:08:26,600 --> 03:08:26,600
I'm not going to schlep my trash to the front,
So somebody's going to pay for it.

1481
03:08:30,920 --> 03:08:34,440
if it's costing us more, that's okay if they're going to do it. And, and but I want to understand the numbers.

1482
03:08:37,200 --> 03:08:37,200
it's $22 million a year that we're paying for extra labor.

1483
03:08:42,520 --> 03:08:42,520
five, 25% of that is the overhead. And I want to understand why aren't we starting in a
Lower amount or if that's possible.

1484
03:08:52,100 --> 03:08:52,100
and this is a contract deal. This is not something that it's an employee of the city.

1485
03:08:57,500 --> 03:08:57,500
these are contracting situations that we're imposing on the contractor to provide a higher
Wage to their employees.

1486
03:09:07,460 --> 03:09:07,460
the people that they're contracting with and I'm not I need to understand the numbers.

1487
03:09:13,020 --> 03:09:13,020
it's $66 million over three years. This is real money,
Folks, and it's being passed on to our citizens.

1488
03:09:22,900 --> 03:09:22,900
we just talked about nine bucks for the encore.

1489
03:09:26,980 --> 03:09:26,980
we're now adding another increase for the trash people.

1490
03:09:31,020 --> 03:09:31,020
so please help me understand how we can we can get this this analyzed.

1491
03:09:37,740 --> 03:09:37,740
thank you so much for your comments, councilmember roth. I'll start and then I'll have
Staff to to finish it out.

1492
03:09:44,020 --> 03:09:44,020
as juanita, our director of procurement just stated,
The city council adopted a living wage policy that living wage

1493
03:09:53,570 --> 03:09:53,570
policy applies to this contract. When we procured the contract,
We have a new living wage amount.

1494
03:10:01,530 --> 03:10:01,530
we don't have the ability staff to say that we're not going to implement the city
Council's policy.

1495
03:10:06,530 --> 03:10:06,530
so the conversation that we've had and we've asked this question already,
I think it will be a part of some ongoing conversations,

1496
03:10:13,370 --> 03:10:13,370
is what decisions now with the council like to make regarding living wage policy?

1497
03:10:19,210 --> 03:10:19,210
do you want that policy to be adjusted? Do you want us to to come back with some
Additional recommendations,

1498
03:10:25,690 --> 03:10:25,690
which we started having that conversation last year when we recommended to move to a task
Pay program.

1499
03:10:31,850 --> 03:10:31,850
but we still have a policy right now. So staff has followed that policy as part of this
Contract,

1500
03:10:38,810 --> 03:10:42,370
which is what's causing that increase that you're referring to. It is because we also know that that living wage amount is different today than what it
Was when we had these services previously.

1501
03:10:50,800 --> 03:10:50,800
and mr. Gillespie, if I missed any part of that,
I'd let you jump in or our cfo.

1502
03:10:56,040 --> 03:10:58,960
but that is part of the reason for the increase. Well, mr. Tolbert, if I may, I just want to add one thing that came up in the finance
Committee yesterday,

1503
03:11:03,960 --> 03:11:03,960
and that was that we come back to finance committee and talk about the policy in more
Detail for future consideration by the council.

1504
03:11:11,640 --> 03:11:11,640
but as you mentioned, when this solicitation occurred,
We followed the city council's policy,

1505
03:11:17,600 --> 03:11:17,600
and until that policy is changed, we would continue in that in that way.

1506
03:11:22,080 --> 03:11:22,080
but we will revisit with finance committee on the policy for going forward.

1507
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:31,120
thank you for the clarification that and I'll probably I'm going to run out of time,
But I'll come back.

1508
03:11:35,720 --> 03:11:35,720
but what I want to understand is if we approve this contract,
We can't change the numbers.

1509
03:11:42,160 --> 03:11:42,160
then if we change the policy and the thing and we're now making a three year commitment at
The.

1510
03:11:48,550 --> 03:11:48,550
if we change our living wage analysis, we're committing to a $66 million contract,
Which if we.

1511
03:11:57,470 --> 03:11:57,470
if we changed our. Our policy would not be $66 million.

1512
03:12:02,750 --> 03:12:02,750
now, if this is a maximum amount. If this is subject to changing.

1513
03:12:06,830 --> 03:12:06,830
I just don't understand what the ramifications are of our approving this particular
Contract.

1514
03:12:12,990 --> 03:12:15,230
thank you for the for the clarifying question. Council member roth. We would actually have to completely move away from this procurement
And start the process over,

1515
03:12:22,950 --> 03:12:22,950
because this procurement and the solicitation was advertised with this current living wage
That we are at today.

1516
03:12:31,230 --> 03:12:31,230
so if council decided not to move this contract forward,
We would have to start the procurement process over.

1517
03:12:37,430 --> 03:12:37,430
and I do want to to mention, I do believe that this existing contract expires in august.

1518
03:12:45,530 --> 03:12:45,530
make sure I've got it right. It expires in august.

1519
03:12:51,730 --> 03:12:51,730
the current contract expires in august. Chairwoman.

1520
03:12:57,570 --> 03:12:57,570
mendelsohn. Sorry, mr. Bazaldua. Recognized for five minutes.

1521
03:13:02,570 --> 03:13:02,570
thank you. Mayor. I would just say it's it's a it's a little frustrating when I hear these
Conversations come up.

1522
03:13:11,090 --> 03:13:11,090
it seems about every year when we, we evaluate or really any contract,
I guess that this would,

1523
03:13:18,090 --> 03:13:18,090
this particular policy touches. I'm, I'm not understanding why we would look at a savings.

1524
03:13:26,690 --> 03:13:26,690
so in a vacuum where we're talking about a very dangerous job,
We're talking about some of the lowest wages.

1525
03:13:34,010 --> 03:13:34,010
we're talking about those who are making wages who can't afford to live in our city.

1526
03:13:39,290 --> 03:13:39,290
we subsidize housing for those who are making this type of of salary.

1527
03:13:44,360 --> 03:13:44,360
and so we put this in place because clearly wages have not caught up to the rate of
Inflation especially when it comes to the cost of living in

1528
03:13:54,320 --> 03:13:54,320
our city. If we really want to look at where we can save money,
We should be looking at the other side of payroll.

1529
03:14:00,880 --> 03:14:00,880
we should be looking at how top heavy our organization is,
How we can look at.

1530
03:14:09,080 --> 03:14:09,080
most money in our organization, but picking on the ones that are making the lowest is
Absolutely absurd to me.

1531
03:14:16,320 --> 03:14:16,320
it speaks. It's counterproductive to everything that our council has said that we support
And we prioritize and we want to make our city a livable,

1532
03:14:25,880 --> 03:14:25,880
vibrant city to live in. That includes those in our working class,
That includes those that are the backbone of our economy.

1533
03:14:32,000 --> 03:14:32,000
we can continue to use low hanging fruit and,
And them be on the chopping block when we have these conversations.

1534
03:14:38,680 --> 03:14:38,680
but it's just to me completely backwards because no one is starting the conversation to to
Talk about how much of a top heavy salary we have within the organization.

1535
03:14:48,390 --> 03:14:48,390
so if we're going to be addressing some nickel and dime savings,
Maybe we should be doing this holistically instead of picking on one class of labor.

1536
03:14:57,950 --> 03:14:57,950
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairwoman mendelsohn for three minutes.

1537
03:15:05,390 --> 03:15:05,390
well, I'm going to agree with council member bazaldua that I think we're top heavy and we
Should look at that. Can you give us an idea of what the expected monthly increases for

1538
03:15:14,670 --> 03:15:14,670
sanitation based on at least this contract and cost recovery?

1539
03:15:20,390 --> 03:15:20,390
if we're looking at this item just alone in our calculating the sanitation rate under our
Current uniform rate

1540
03:15:30,310 --> 03:15:34,030
with all customers paying the same rate, it's $1.59 a month. But I do want to stress that there are many other things that factor into setting the
Rate?

1541
03:15:41,300 --> 03:15:44,900
some cost or some some things go down, some things go up. So I can't say that this one thing is going to change.

1542
03:15:48,660 --> 03:15:48,660
change the rate by that exact amount. And what's your expectation for the total rate
Increase for sanitation.

1543
03:15:54,980 --> 03:15:54,980
I can't say that'll be part of the conversations in august with the city managers
Recommended budget.

1544
03:16:00,940 --> 03:16:00,940
well, I think it's an important thing for us to know before we vote on this,
Don't you?

1545
03:16:09,940 --> 03:16:09,940
what I can tell you is what the all I can tell you is what the cost per hour,
What the estimated spend per year would be,

1546
03:16:16,140 --> 03:16:16,140
and what I just said about regarding the looking at this in isolation,
Being $1.59 per month cost.

1547
03:16:24,180 --> 03:16:24,180
jack, as you're working on the draft budget that's coming up,
Have you plugged in any increases for sanitation?

1548
03:16:33,620 --> 03:16:33,620
so as was mentioned, it's early for us to actually give what the rate increase would be
For this particular enterprise.

1549
03:16:41,920 --> 03:16:41,920
cliff is talking about this one item for the labor costs,
But there's other factors, as he mentioned,

1550
03:16:48,040 --> 03:16:48,040
from employee health benefits to it charges to fuel charges,
To fleet maintenance charges that will all go into the calculation for his rate

1551
03:16:57,960 --> 03:16:57,960
recommendation that will be available to the council in early august.

1552
03:17:02,560 --> 03:17:02,560
well, so one of the things you just said, cliff,
Is that some things go up and some things go down.

1553
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:09,960
can you give an example of something where the cost has gone down? And thank you for that opportunity because I was going to yes,
Ma'am.

1554
03:17:13,320 --> 03:17:13,320
we've identified we've continued year over year identifying a number of savings and
Efficiencies with our brush and bulky item collection program.

1555
03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:19,920
so there will be some contractor a multi-million dollar decrease in contractor expenses
Related to the brush and bulky item collection program.

1556
03:17:30,040 --> 03:17:33,200
sorry. You're you're trailing off a little bit. You're saying you're going to reduce the number of contractors you have for brush pickup.

1557
03:17:38,790 --> 03:17:38,790
that's primarily done by our crews. In fact,
We haven't had to use contract assistance this year.

1558
03:17:46,550 --> 03:17:46,550
we, we hardly used it last year. We're going to make a sizable cut around that since we've
Seen year over year efficiency gains with using our own

1559
03:17:56,110 --> 03:17:56,110
crews. So that's where that savings will be generated from.

1560
03:18:01,670 --> 03:18:01,670
so my recollection is that those big brush crews were for things like the tornado.

1561
03:18:07,150 --> 03:18:07,150
we had some straight windstorms and we had not just weeks.

1562
03:18:11,830 --> 03:18:11,830
we had months of debris all over, not just the sidewalks,
But into the streets.

1563
03:18:19,230 --> 03:18:19,230
wasn't that what that was for? We have separate contract,
We have different contracts.

1564
03:18:24,910 --> 03:18:24,910
we have storm debris related contracts and we have standby contracts for brush and bulky
Item collection assistance.

1565
03:18:33,860 --> 03:18:33,860
so the the set outs that we see around the city are seasonal.

1566
03:18:38,540 --> 03:18:38,540
so spring and fall are the heavy seasons, and sometimes people set up much more than we
Are staffed or equipped to handle.

1567
03:18:46,220 --> 03:18:46,220
other times there are there could be staffing or equipment issues that necessitate
Bringing in contractor assistance in the years

1568
03:18:56,700 --> 03:18:56,700
2122 immediately coming out of covid there were due to supply chain issues and staffing
Issues,

1569
03:19:05,220 --> 03:19:05,220
we relied heavily on contractor assistance. That has trailed off significantly.

1570
03:19:10,420 --> 03:19:10,420
so we're not seeing contractor assistance like we were in those years.

1571
03:19:15,220 --> 03:19:15,220
well, I'll give you a compliment. We almost annually will have a problem in january with
Bulk trash after christmas.

1572
03:19:22,580 --> 03:19:26,100
we almost annually would have a problem in march after spring break. And everybody seems to do spring cleaning. And we didn't have this in the past year.

1573
03:19:30,900 --> 03:19:30,900
and so that's, that's you. And so thank you. So you're obviously managing that flow better
Than it had been in the past.

1574
03:19:40,370 --> 03:19:40,370
but I will also say that getting an outsourced contract,
Whether it's by neighborhood or even the whole system,

1575
03:19:47,930 --> 03:19:47,930
or we try it in one area and see how it goes,
Which for as large of a system we have, we probably would want to do that.

1576
03:19:57,770 --> 03:19:57,770
what it means is that we would have automated trucks that are the proper size to do this
Work.

1577
03:20:03,810 --> 03:20:03,810
the truth is this job is going away. If it's not going away this year,
It's going away soon because the manual collection is not going to continue.

1578
03:20:13,890 --> 03:20:13,890
and I don't believe in this living wage concept.

1579
03:20:17,970 --> 03:20:21,530
yes, we do talk about it every time because I think I bring it up every time. I believe in competitive wages and we should always be competitive.

1580
03:20:26,570 --> 03:20:26,570
and that is the way our economy is founded, and there are lots of opportunities in this
World to make money and to be successful.

1581
03:20:36,310 --> 03:20:36,310
so thank you. I think we need to defer this to get additional information.

1582
03:20:42,190 --> 03:20:42,190
council member, I agree with your comments around this job going away.

1583
03:20:46,230 --> 03:20:49,710
manual collection is at the scale that the city of dallas does. It is not seen in other cities. The challenge is the many customers that we service from
Alleyways that are less than ten feet wide,

1584
03:21:00,150 --> 03:21:00,150
about 50,000 customer service from eight alleyways where the pavement is only eight feet
Wide.

1585
03:21:05,710 --> 03:21:05,710
you cannot do that with automated collection equipment,
Maybe at some point in the future.

1586
03:21:10,190 --> 03:21:13,750
but that is not a technology that is reliable at this point. Yeah. So we will we committed when we briefed the council in february to do research and
Development around this,

1587
03:21:21,590 --> 03:21:21,590
to see what non industry standard solutions are out there or what may be emerging
Technologies.

1588
03:21:27,220 --> 03:21:27,220
we've engaged a consultant that is assisting us with that,
Including looking at private service provider options.

1589
03:21:35,220 --> 03:21:35,220
we've got little guys running around power washing the trash cans.

1590
03:21:39,260 --> 03:21:39,260
and I believe if we open this up and we allow privatization,
You're going to see people who do this job today as a manual collector,

1591
03:21:46,500 --> 03:21:46,500
open up a business saying, I can actually collect all of your neighborhood stuff,
Probably for half cost,

1592
03:21:53,780 --> 03:21:57,700
and haul it over on our own to, to the landfill. And so there's a lot of opportunities for economic development by allowing the private
Industry to take over time for this round.

1593
03:22:06,740 --> 03:22:06,740
you have one more though. Chairman gracey recognized for five minutes.

1594
03:22:11,260 --> 03:22:11,260
thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to follow up on this one too,
And just kind of speak to I feel that I've been mentioning it for the last couple of weeks

1595
03:22:19,540 --> 03:22:19,540
now. Everybody's been floating around this living wage and trying to get rid of the living
Wage. But I want to just remind people, and I know this is not germane to that. But. But

1596
03:22:27,250 --> 03:22:27,250
this living wage was also centered around. We put that in place along with local hiring as
Well,

1597
03:22:33,810 --> 03:22:37,690
to to spur economic development within the city of dallas. So it was not just the wage floor policy. We implemented that with the local hiring policy
As well,

1598
03:22:45,690 --> 03:22:49,690
so that we can encourage folks to, one, move to dallas,
But also hire in dallas. So as we talk about this wage floor, I just want to put that back into our remembrances
While we have this.

1599
03:22:55,530 --> 03:22:55,530
so as we start getting to our budget and saying,
Okay, here's something that we can take,

1600
03:23:00,450 --> 03:23:00,450
I would like to just also see that. Is it actually doing what we hope that it would do
From a local hiring perspective,

1601
03:23:06,170 --> 03:23:06,170
from a local business, using utilizing local businesses,
Perhaps to kerry's point, if there's something that could come around this,

1602
03:23:13,850 --> 03:23:13,850
if this goes away, perhaps there is a local hiring piece that we that policy that we have
In place,

1603
03:23:18,890 --> 03:23:21,850
but also the wage floor, these two were together. So it wasn't just the wage floor. It was both.

1604
03:23:24,560 --> 03:23:26,760
and it was meant to drive the economic development. And that's why we put them, put them there. So I just again,
As we're talking about this,

1605
03:23:30,960 --> 03:23:30,960
I don't want to get away from that. I know we're facing our budget,
But some of these people actually live in dallas.

1606
03:23:36,040 --> 03:23:36,040
and if we're worrying about fees and all of this,
If we take their income, then we got to worry about everything because they have no

1607
03:23:42,120 --> 03:23:42,120
income. So I just want to just think about all of these things that are happening at the
Same time. So thank you, mr. Mayor. Deputy mayor pro tem,

1608
03:23:49,280 --> 03:23:49,280
you recognized for five minutes. Thank you. So I've been looking around a little bit at
What the current living wage is,

1609
03:23:56,080 --> 03:23:56,080
because you mentioned this was a 2025 rate. And so it's gone up,
I believe, by $1.26.

1610
03:24:02,720 --> 03:24:02,720
so, you know, we've kind of already got that baked in that we wouldn't be locked into the
Policy,

1611
03:24:08,480 --> 03:24:08,480
as the city manager pointed out. But and I do have issues around and think in our this
Budget season,

1612
03:24:15,640 --> 03:24:15,640
we've got to take a hard look at that because there are people who make these rates who
Sit in an air conditioned situation,

1613
03:24:22,660 --> 03:24:22,660
and it's very different from being a temporary worker on the back of these trucks.

1614
03:24:27,860 --> 03:24:27,860
I mean, we've all seen them. They go through extreme heat,
Extreme cold.

1615
03:24:33,180 --> 03:24:35,700
it's dangerous. We've seen the video of some. You know, when the lines sag in the heat of the summer.

1616
03:24:39,500 --> 03:24:39,500
electrical lines sag and there's a risk of fire and electrocution and accidents in these
Narrow alleys,

1617
03:24:45,780 --> 03:24:49,420
etcetera. I mean, we've we've seen that. It's smelly,
It's dirty. It's a tough job. So if you look at annualizing that.

1618
03:24:53,380 --> 03:24:53,380
2205 it's not 5000. I mean, it's 458. But if you go to what will we say we pay them.

1619
03:24:59,740 --> 03:24:59,740
oh, I don't know, 20 bucks for that job. You know,
So that's like 41 something.

1620
03:25:04,380 --> 03:25:04,380
so we're kind of getting into this $4,000, which you know,
In this whole sanitation discussion,

1621
03:25:12,460 --> 03:25:12,460
which, you know, I believe in letting our residents determine all that we can as long as
It's within safe parameters.

1622
03:25:19,060 --> 03:25:19,060
everybody said, if I have to, if I want to keep my service,
I'm willing to to pay for that.

1623
03:25:24,850 --> 03:25:27,490
it doesn't mean there's an open checkbook at all. It means we have to be vigilant and procure,
Just like you all have gone through the exercise to do.

1624
03:25:32,930 --> 03:25:32,930
but the reality is that this living wage and what we might move around on,
On this particular item I don't think we're going to have that

1625
03:25:42,810 --> 03:25:42,810
much movement on this. It sounds like from the discussion with you you know,
Privatization,

1626
03:25:48,930 --> 03:25:48,930
I definitely we just talked about it this morning. I said,
I sure hope you're continuing to look at that.

1627
03:25:53,450 --> 03:25:56,890
and I think that is something that we've got to explore. Maybe it goes the city's way to say we need to offload this.

1628
03:26:01,250 --> 03:26:01,250
maybe we stick with what we've got. I think when neighbors understand the liability they
May incur from their scenario and some other aspects of this,

1629
03:26:09,130 --> 03:26:13,090
it's not the slam dunk they might think it is. But if we're not paying this wage to council member gracie's point,
I mean, we're pushing people into using government resources.

1630
03:26:19,320 --> 03:26:19,320
we're not giving them the dignity of economic mobility and lifting up our community.

1631
03:26:25,360 --> 03:26:25,360
and I'm, I'm saying this in this particular zone because I do think it needs to come up
For discussion.

1632
03:26:30,480 --> 03:26:33,560
but this is a very hard job. It's a dangerous job. It has aspects of it that many of us would never,
Ever want to do, but they're showing up for us.

1633
03:26:40,200 --> 03:26:43,120
the other thing is people don't want an interruption in this service. I don't know if you picked up on that vibe over the past year,
But they want their sanitation in their alley.

1634
03:26:49,640 --> 03:26:52,560
they're willing to pay a little bit more for it as long as it's in line. And if we can show them that it is in line I think that they're going to understand that
More.

1635
03:26:58,560 --> 03:26:58,560
so I'm, I'm supportive of this because I don't want the disruption.

1636
03:27:02,840 --> 03:27:02,840
I think that this wage at last year's rate is probably going to set us up favorably for
The next few years in comparison of where it would be if we started it all over again.

1637
03:27:12,440 --> 03:27:12,440
as we know, we're continuing to explore all the cost efficient options that we can to
Continue to maintain this service.

1638
03:27:19,390 --> 03:27:19,390
so I'll I'll support the contract. Mr. Roth,
You're recognized for three minutes.

1639
03:27:26,550 --> 03:27:30,430
thank you. I want to make sure it's clear what we're talking about. We're talking about contract forcing contractors,
Forcing people that we are asking to give us services for,

1640
03:27:40,550 --> 03:27:40,550
telling them what kind of charges they're going to charge,
What kind of payments they're going to make to their employees and their their

1641
03:27:50,430 --> 03:27:50,430
costs. We're telling them in this situation where we're contracting for something,
That we're imposing a duty onto them to pay a certain

1642
03:28:00,230 --> 03:28:04,150
amount to their employees. That's not our business. We shouldn't be in the business of telling other businesses what to do.

1643
03:28:08,270 --> 03:28:08,270
if we hire somebody, yeah, we're the business and we're going to tell how much we want to
Pay people,

1644
03:28:14,540 --> 03:28:14,540
but that's what this is about. And this is a bigger issue than just sanitation.

1645
03:28:19,820 --> 03:28:19,820
this is a policy decision on whether we're going to force contractors to pay a wage that
We feel is correct,

1646
03:28:28,820 --> 03:28:31,420
rather than what they feel they should be paying. And I and that's what that's what my I want to get that conversation in the right venue.

1647
03:28:38,060 --> 03:28:38,060
I'm sensitive to the manager's concern that we've got to make a contractual relationship
With this to keep our temporary service going.

1648
03:28:47,980 --> 03:28:47,980
what I'm concerned about is committing to a three year contract where we may be changing
Our policy globally and being

1649
03:28:57,740 --> 03:28:57,740
stuck with this contract in a for a couple year more period.

1650
03:29:02,460 --> 03:29:02,460
I do see that it says that the appropriations on this are that that the contract is always
Subject to appropriations.

1651
03:29:10,900 --> 03:29:10,900
is that correct? Thank you so much. Council member for your comments.

1652
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:16,000
and yes, there's also provisions within all of our contracts that we have a right to
Terminate the contract.

1653
03:29:22,480 --> 03:29:22,480
my comments about the moving this forward is really about the current process,
How we advertised it and what the rates currently are.

1654
03:29:32,120 --> 03:29:32,120
that does not prevent the council from changing the policy and how we move forward.

1655
03:29:37,000 --> 03:29:37,000
and we again, we have already committed to coming back to the finance committee to share
More fully and give you a more comprehensive overview about

1656
03:29:46,920 --> 03:29:49,440
the current living wage environment that we're in. We introduced something last year that I felt council was very supportive around,
And that was the whole task pay program,

1657
03:29:56,360 --> 03:29:56,360
looking at some of the hard to fill positions,
Those where we know that there are the working conditions are very different.

1658
03:30:02,600 --> 03:30:02,600
and how we start looking at maybe making those positions,
The ones that we continue to elevate and then anything else,

1659
03:30:09,880 --> 03:30:13,190
it would not be an across the board type of increase. And so we've already started that conversation. We want to bring you back more work around
That.

1660
03:30:18,270 --> 03:30:22,150
and that's what we believe is probably the best way for us to move forward. But based on where we are today with the services that we need with this particular
Contract,

1661
03:30:27,230 --> 03:30:27,230
we follow the council's policy. And contractually,
All of our contracts even now, have to comply with the current living wage policy that's

1662
03:30:36,350 --> 03:30:36,350
been set by this body. Okay. And thank you for clarification.

1663
03:30:41,190 --> 03:30:44,630
so what I'm trying to find is the solution to the problem. I want to contract with these folks. I want to make sure we have the temporary employment,

1664
03:30:49,790 --> 03:30:49,790
but I don't want to be able to, to be contracting for three years if,
If we're going to change our policy.

1665
03:30:56,950 --> 03:30:56,950
and so if we have the ability to terminate the contract,
If we change our policy and to rebid it out later on,

1666
03:31:05,390 --> 03:31:05,390
then, then that gives us an alternative to, to have sort of the best of both worlds.

1667
03:31:10,500 --> 03:31:10,500
we can still talk about it and defer the maybe not defer this issue,
But talk about the policy issue separately and get a decision on that,

1668
03:31:19,620 --> 03:31:19,620
but still allow you all to be able to contract on a on a annual basis because we have the
Right to terminate.

1669
03:31:27,220 --> 03:31:27,220
would that is that am I am I understanding this correctly?

1670
03:31:31,860 --> 03:31:31,860
thank you again for your comments and your questions. Council member roth,
If council wanted to.

1671
03:31:37,580 --> 03:31:37,580
if a change happens with the current living wage policy and this contract has moved
Forward with the current rates,

1672
03:31:44,420 --> 03:31:44,420
we would have to go through a re procurement to get another vendor.

1673
03:31:48,740 --> 03:31:48,740
and that could be something that council wants us to do,
But that would be a part of the process and how we move forward.

1674
03:31:56,740 --> 03:31:56,740
we do have other provisions that are built into all of our contracts around performance,
The metrics,

1675
03:32:02,100 --> 03:32:05,220
all of those requirements are consistent across the board. But in this particular situation. We do have a formal solicitation that this vendor has
Complied with.

1676
03:32:11,210 --> 03:32:11,210
they've been selected and this is currently the contractual terms that are included.

1677
03:32:16,410 --> 03:32:16,410
I appreciate that, and I have no problem with the vendor and with the idea of temporary.

1678
03:32:20,690 --> 03:32:20,690
this is the perfect type of situation for what we want to.

1679
03:32:25,570 --> 03:32:28,770
the employment positions that we want to be in by contracting. So it's not about them. It's about getting the the other policy issue on the table.

1680
03:32:33,570 --> 03:32:33,570
thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on for or against the motion to
Defer by chairwoman mendelsohn?

1681
03:32:41,530 --> 03:32:44,650
alright. Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay. Nay. Alright. Sounds like a record vote.

1682
03:32:48,930 --> 03:32:51,490
it's going to need to be had, madam secretary. Yes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state.

1683
03:32:54,770 --> 03:32:54,770
yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

1684
03:33:00,090 --> 03:33:00,090
yes. Council member gracey. No. Council member johnson is absent when vote taken.

1685
03:33:09,230 --> 03:33:09,230
council member resendez is absent when vote taken.

1686
03:33:14,390 --> 03:33:14,390
council member cadena. No. Thank you. Council member.

1687
03:33:19,470 --> 03:33:19,470
bazaldua. No. Council member. Blair. Council member.

1688
03:33:25,230 --> 03:33:25,230
blackmon. No. Council member. Stewart. No. Council member.

1689
03:33:32,470 --> 03:33:32,470
roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member ridley.

1690
03:33:39,750 --> 03:33:39,750
yes. Deputy mayor. Pro tem. Willis. No. Mayor pro tem moreno.

1691
03:33:45,470 --> 03:33:45,470
no. Mayor johnson. No. Council member. Resendez.

1692
03:33:51,950 --> 03:33:51,950
no. Thank you. And councilmember johnson is still absent.

1693
03:33:56,790 --> 03:33:56,790
one vote taken. With four voting in favor,

1694
03:34:06,780 --> 03:34:10,580
ten opposed, one absent, one vote taken. The motion fails,
Mr. Mayor. All right. Is there a motion on 39? Motion to approve.

1695
03:34:17,940 --> 03:34:17,940
second. All right. It's been moved. And second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none.

1696
03:34:22,140 --> 03:34:22,140
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? No. Ayes have it.

1697
03:34:26,460 --> 03:34:26,460
one noted as no voting against agenda item 40.

1698
03:34:30,580 --> 03:34:30,580
is your next agenda item. Item 40 authorized a three year service price agreement for
Armed security

1699
03:34:40,500 --> 03:34:40,500
guard services for the department of sanitation services and efrain services,
Inc..

1700
03:34:44,980 --> 03:34:44,980
most advantageous proposal of 32. Estimated amount $979,224.48.

1701
03:34:53,340 --> 03:34:53,340
this item was pulled by councilmember roth. Is there a motion?

1702
03:34:59,500 --> 03:35:03,370
is there a second? Second. All right. It's been moved in second. Any discussion? Anyone? Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye.

1703
03:35:06,970 --> 03:35:10,650
mr. Roff, hold on. Sorry. Hi. No, no, sorry,
Mr. Roff chimed in. Just a little late. You're recognized for five minutes,
Mr. Roff. I'd like to just understand what we're doing here.

1704
03:35:16,210 --> 03:35:16,210
and again, we're we're spending some money for I'd like to understand what the security
Guard does.

1705
03:35:25,250 --> 03:35:25,250
what? We're spending the million, the 300,000 every year for and what this is about so
That we have a better understanding of,

1706
03:35:33,410 --> 03:35:33,410
of what the needs are of the sanitation department and the and the validity of this
Particular charge.

1707
03:35:40,530 --> 03:35:40,530
thank you, mr. Roff, for the question. Cliff gillespie,
Director, sanitation. This is continuing security services at mccomas bluff landfill.

1708
03:35:48,050 --> 03:35:48,050
the site is approximately 2000 acres. It's critical infrastructure and encompasses
Numerous facilities and equipment assets.

1709
03:35:57,850 --> 03:35:57,850
security services are necessary to keep the site secure from theft,
Vandalism, damage to city facilities,

1710
03:36:05,400 --> 03:36:05,400
equipment, etc.. Excuse me. Preventing illegal or unpaid disposal when the

1711
03:36:15,120 --> 03:36:15,120
facility is closed. It also assists with the early identification of uncontrolled landfill
Fires and other hazardous hazardous conditions before

1712
03:36:25,120 --> 03:36:25,120
they escalate into larger issues. And you had mentioned to me that this is a it deals with
When 24

1713
03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:34,960
hour service on weekends, potentially evenings when the when the property is closed.

1714
03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:40,160
it also includes multiple security guards. So it's not one guy for $300,000 walking around
2000 acres.

1715
03:36:48,720 --> 03:36:48,720
that's what I'm trying to understand. That's correct. The security services are used when
The facility or when the landfill site is closed to the public.

1716
03:36:55,760 --> 03:36:55,760
and our regular staffing is not present because of the size of the site.

1717
03:37:00,420 --> 03:37:00,420
it does involve security with vehicle roving security as well as stationed security.

1718
03:37:09,620 --> 03:37:09,620
and this is not an additional new employment or contractual services is something that you
Typically have.

1719
03:37:17,660 --> 03:37:17,660
and this is an ongoing historical requirement as well as a future need.

1720
03:37:24,300 --> 03:37:24,300
and is the cost of similar to previous costs.

1721
03:37:29,860 --> 03:37:29,860
the cost under the current contract is $30 $30.32 per hour.

1722
03:37:34,340 --> 03:37:34,340
under this new contract, it's $33.44. So there's been a reasonable increase.

1723
03:37:39,700 --> 03:37:39,700
but it's not crazy. Okay. Thank you. That's for for the clarification.

1724
03:37:44,940 --> 03:37:47,900
chairman west recognized for five minutes. Thank you mayor. I just wanted to publicly thank you, director and your team for getting back with me on.

1725
03:37:52,780 --> 03:37:56,090
I had the same questions and you answered them. And and I appreciate your diligence in doing so.

1726
03:37:58,410 --> 03:37:58,410
thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn you recognized for five minutes.

1727
03:38:02,530 --> 03:38:02,530
so the contract's almost $1 million. What is the expected increased monthly cost on
Sanitation bills for that?

1728
03:38:11,650 --> 03:38:11,650
this the cost for this services are come out of landfill commercial revenues.

1729
03:38:17,330 --> 03:38:17,330
we also have revenue from the city's landfill gas production facility as well.

1730
03:38:26,210 --> 03:38:29,210
so this does not have an impact on residential ratepayers. Okay. But those funds were being used for other things,
Right.

1731
03:38:35,210 --> 03:38:35,210
this is continuing services. So we've all, we're just continuing to pay for services that
Have been in place prior.

1732
03:38:43,530 --> 03:38:43,530
so you're saying that you currently have a security contract in place,
And how much are we paying for that every year? I,

1733
03:38:50,250 --> 03:38:50,250
again, I don't have the exact dollar amount that we're spending year over year,
But the current contract rate is $30.32 per hour.

1734
03:38:59,280 --> 03:38:59,280
the new contract is $33.44 per hour. We don't expect we're not expecting any increased
Usage from the past three years.

1735
03:39:15,640 --> 03:39:15,640
so annually juanita is showing me $133,000 a year previously.

1736
03:39:25,520 --> 03:39:25,520
okay. And how much is it now? I believe the difference between what is,
What was

1737
03:39:35,080 --> 03:39:35,080
previously spent and what this is showing includes unknowns.

1738
03:39:39,800 --> 03:39:39,800
if if services were necessary at the transfer stations,
Something like that, that was used in the in the bid tabulation on estimated number of

1739
03:39:48,840 --> 03:39:48,840
hours, just so that we would rather come in high than than have usage over what the
Estimated amount is.

1740
03:39:58,270 --> 03:39:58,270
so do you know what that number is? The number.

1741
03:40:03,230 --> 03:40:03,230
compare apples to apples for us. What have you been spending?

1742
03:40:07,270 --> 03:40:07,270
what are you going. We project the spend to be the same per year,
Save for the $3.

1743
03:40:13,070 --> 03:40:13,070
a different $3 per hour difference increase per security officer.

1744
03:40:20,270 --> 03:40:23,870
correct. And that's two security officers. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Mr. Roth, you're recognized for three minutes.

1745
03:40:30,750 --> 03:40:30,750
I'm sorry. Just just to clarify again councilman council member mendelsohn brought up an
Issue that I didn't quite understand.

1746
03:40:41,470 --> 03:40:41,470
the $3 extra per hour is we're not anticipating having more hours.

1747
03:40:48,550 --> 03:40:48,550
that's correct. So so the so the cost, if it's 300,000,
It's going to be 10% should goes up from 270 to 300.

1748
03:40:57,050 --> 03:40:57,050
it's going to go up 10%. Basically when this was when the specifications were written,
The specifications included potential for

1749
03:41:07,050 --> 03:41:07,050
security. If it became necessary at some point during the three year term for sanitations
Other facilities,

1750
03:41:12,450 --> 03:41:12,450
or if additional security became necessary. We do not anticipate have no reason to believe
That we would need that additional security services.

1751
03:41:21,970 --> 03:41:21,970
but we. We aim to prepare should that become necessary during the term of the contract.

1752
03:41:27,730 --> 03:41:27,730
so you're sort of building up your you're building up your your opportunity to have
Additional monies to do additional security in other places.

1753
03:41:36,770 --> 03:41:36,770
so at mccomas, now you're at 100. So it's not that it's going to 300 and mccomas,
But you're basically asking for additional funds at this

1754
03:41:46,370 --> 03:41:46,370
point to be able to have some if you need some in the future.

1755
03:41:51,560 --> 03:41:51,560
the current contract was, is I'd I, q as well as this one.

1756
03:41:56,160 --> 03:41:56,160
so I'm not asking for any additional funds. This just has an estimated value higher.

1757
03:42:04,840 --> 03:42:04,840
because staff were planning for potential unknowns.

1758
03:42:09,520 --> 03:42:09,520
thank you. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on for or against agenda item 40?

1759
03:42:16,000 --> 03:42:16,000
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

1760
03:42:20,040 --> 03:42:20,040
ayes have it. Next item. Agenda item 41.

1761
03:42:33,160 --> 03:42:33,160
authorize a three year service price agreement in the estimated amount of $2,470,120,
With two one year renewal options in the

1762
03:42:43,120 --> 03:42:43,120
estimated amount of $703,470. As detailed in the fiscal information section for
Environmental monitoring,

1763
03:42:52,590 --> 03:42:52,590
monitoring and engineering consulting services for the department of sanitation services.

1764
03:42:57,950 --> 03:42:57,950
stearns, conrad and schmidt consulting engineers,
Inc., dbass engineering's scs field services most advantageous

1765
03:43:07,910 --> 03:43:07,910
proposal of seven. Total estimated amount $4,173,590.

1766
03:43:15,310 --> 03:43:19,150
this item was pulled by council member roth. I'm looking for a motion. Move to approve. Second, it's been moved and seconded.

1767
03:43:22,590 --> 03:43:24,630
any discussion, mr. Roth? You pulled it? Yes. Thank you. Just a couple. Just a couple quick questions.

1768
03:43:28,630 --> 03:43:31,350
it looks like I just want to again understand. I'm not criticizing it. I just want to understand what we're spending $4 million for over
The three year period.

1769
03:43:40,030 --> 03:43:43,110
and what, what is the services that they're providing? Yes, sir. Again. Cliff gillespie, director, sanitation. This is again at mccomas bluff
Landfill.

1770
03:43:48,260 --> 03:43:48,260
this is to maintain compliance with federal and state regulations,
Environmental regulations governing groundwater protection,

1771
03:43:54,740 --> 03:43:54,740
landfill gas control, stormwater management and waste containment services.

1772
03:44:00,180 --> 03:44:00,180
these are all necessary services where it makes more sense to have a contracted engineers
Provide it than staff engineers.

1773
03:44:10,700 --> 03:44:14,340
and these are regulatory requirements that you have to,
To keep. You have to certify certain environmental metrics and,
And, and have certain requirements federally,

1774
03:44:23,340 --> 03:44:23,340
etcetera. Is that, is that what this is? That is taken care of and it's continuing
Services and it's a service you've been having previously.

1775
03:44:30,740 --> 03:44:30,740
I'm sorry. You previously been providing these services provided and these are future
Services that are required.

1776
03:44:36,980 --> 03:44:36,980
yes, sir. And the increase from the last adjustment is the last one was 3 million.

1777
03:44:42,680 --> 03:44:42,680
for now, we're in 4 million. Two. So the $800,000 plus or minus,
Is that a reasonable increase in service providers based on

1778
03:44:52,520 --> 03:44:52,520
the bids that you got? Juanita ortiz office of procurement services.

1779
03:45:02,400 --> 03:45:05,960
this this one like the last two are id, iq contracts. So the number that you see that we have as estimated is based on all the possible studies
And,

1780
03:45:14,280 --> 03:45:14,280
and information that sanitation might need from the vendor.

1781
03:45:19,000 --> 03:45:19,000
however we will, we are just setting a price under this price agreement.

1782
03:45:24,360 --> 03:45:24,360
and the estimated amount is a cap, it's not really a cap,
But it's an estimated, if we were to use every single service that we've

1783
03:45:33,880 --> 03:45:33,880
identified. So annually the spend is. $700,000.

1784
03:45:43,310 --> 03:45:43,310
and we don't anticipate a larger expense than that.

1785
03:45:47,710 --> 03:45:47,710
it looks like it's front loaded for the initial term at 2,000,005.

1786
03:45:52,150 --> 03:45:52,150
and then it's, it's less. Was there a reason for that for that procurement process or
Thoughtfulness of that?

1787
03:46:00,190 --> 03:46:00,190
why? While the director is looking for that answer,
I just wanted to make sure that I clarify something.

1788
03:46:04,910 --> 03:46:04,910
council member thank you for your questions. This action does not encumber the funds.

1789
03:46:10,150 --> 03:46:13,550
it's setting the pricing. I just wanted to make sure that that was clear. I get it. And the 2,000,005 is the initial term.

1790
03:46:17,030 --> 03:46:17,030
so it's the three years. And then the renewal options are if we decide to go back and
Renew the contract with the vendor.

1791
03:46:24,270 --> 03:46:24,270
right. So so three years at 2,000,005 is 2 million,
Four is 800,000 for each year.

1792
03:46:31,430 --> 03:46:34,390
so that's, that's what you're saying. It's the same amount. Then roughly if we were to use every service.

1793
03:46:37,590 --> 03:46:37,590
yes. Yeah. So you've fixed your price at 800,000 for the five years.

1794
03:46:42,540 --> 03:46:42,540
okay. That's I'm trying to give you all credit for doing something that's good.

1795
03:46:46,620 --> 03:46:46,620
okay. Thank you. Well, we we do try to do good stuff all the time,
But but thank you for that.

1796
03:46:52,620 --> 03:46:55,580
is there anyone else wants to speak for against 41. Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

1797
03:46:58,060 --> 03:46:58,060
ayes have it. Agenda item 42. Authorize a five year service price agreement for integrated
Pest management services for citywide

1798
03:47:08,060 --> 03:47:08,060
use. Seed family premier services, llc, dba pet master of plano and mckinney.

1799
03:47:14,220 --> 03:47:14,220
lowest responsible bidder of five. Estimated amount of $892,592.83.

1800
03:47:22,860 --> 03:47:22,860
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Is there a.

1801
03:47:27,700 --> 03:47:31,540
is there a motion? All right. There's a motion and a second to approve. Any discussion? Chairwoman mendelsohn, you have five minutes. Yes.

1802
03:47:34,540 --> 03:47:34,540
this is a contract for pest, master of plano and mckinney.

1803
03:47:41,010 --> 03:47:41,010
this is for pest services. And when you look at who responded,
We only had one from dallas that was on the

1804
03:47:51,010 --> 03:47:51,010
list, and they're almost three times the price of the other 3 or 4 that were on the list.

1805
03:47:57,730 --> 03:47:57,730
and I just like to understand from procurement,
What kind of work happened to talk to any of our chambers or contractors to get

1806
03:48:07,890 --> 03:48:07,890
more dallas people. I mean, the ninth largest city in america,
And we are going to plano and mckinney for our pest control.

1807
03:48:20,330 --> 03:48:20,330
juanita ortiz, office of procurement services director this solicitation went out during
The period of time that we did not have a drive policy.

1808
03:48:30,170 --> 03:48:30,170
so we did not have a possibility of using criteria that would,
You know, help individuals that are in the city actually bid on this project.

1809
03:48:40,830 --> 03:48:40,830
this was also an rfp. So we are tied to the lowest bidder and they were the lowest
Responsive and responsible bidder.

1810
03:48:49,270 --> 03:48:49,270
but the council is able to reject this and put out a new solicitation that would have
Additional points for dallas businesses.

1811
03:48:56,270 --> 03:48:56,270
correct. If we were to reissue it as an rfp. Sp this contract expires june 8th,

1812
03:49:05,190 --> 03:49:05,190
2026. Well, I have no interest in approving this contract,

1813
03:49:15,110 --> 03:49:15,110
and I would encourage my council members to recognize that we need to help support our
Dallas businesses.

1814
03:49:22,870 --> 03:49:22,870
and if this didn't include any kind of prioritization for dallas,
Something that we all agreed we wanted to do a business that's

1815
03:49:32,340 --> 03:49:32,340
very accessible to people doesn't take a whole lot of training.

1816
03:49:36,780 --> 03:49:36,780
I can't believe that that we're just going to go ahead and approve it.

1817
03:49:41,380 --> 03:49:41,380
and I'm I'm going to vote no. And would certainly welcome anybody who wants to make a
Motion to reject the item.

1818
03:49:48,700 --> 03:49:48,700
thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem be recognized for five minutes.

1819
03:49:53,580 --> 03:49:53,580
hello. Well, that caught my eye too, is that this is not a dallas business.

1820
03:49:58,740 --> 03:49:58,740
you know, I sit here and talk about shopping local,
And it's very frustrating to me that,

1821
03:50:03,060 --> 03:50:03,060
you know, when you order your business cards,
You're ordering from euless. However, we in mcc are allowed to use a dallas business.

1822
03:50:11,180 --> 03:50:14,900
so maybe there are some places like that that you can highlight for us. But as soon as I started looking at the bid and that this bidder from plano and mckinney
Was at $823,000 and the

1823
03:50:24,700 --> 03:50:24,700
only dallas business was at $2.5 million. I took a step back on this one because this

1824
03:50:34,610 --> 03:50:34,610
is the competitive marketplace. This is the opportunity they put their price in and they
Were among the highest.

1825
03:50:43,890 --> 03:50:43,890
and so I don't know if this is an issue where we need to go shake some bushes more to find
More vendors in dallas.

1826
03:50:53,610 --> 03:50:53,610
I know you do a lot of outreach. I know I bend your ear on doing business in dallas so
That our funds go back into our community to fix our roads and

1827
03:51:03,450 --> 03:51:03,450
keep libraries open and pay police officers. But you know,
In this case, it's just too much.

1828
03:51:10,970 --> 03:51:13,850
it's too much. I mean, we've gone through the process. So when other contracts come up, as you are creating other rfps you know,
Let's make sure we are exhausting every resource with our industry partners and

1829
03:51:23,610 --> 03:51:27,090
associations so that we get lots of dallas bidders. But in this case, I mean, it was so much more money.

1830
03:51:30,880 --> 03:51:34,440
and in this climate, I just do not think we can begin to justify that. So I I'll support the item as it is. Thank you.

1831
03:51:39,320 --> 03:51:43,000
is there anyone else wants to speak for or against item 42? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed?

1832
03:51:45,760 --> 03:51:45,760
the ayes have it. I noted two no's. Three no's.

1833
03:51:49,840 --> 03:51:49,840
council member gracey council member radke and council member mendelsohn.

1834
03:51:56,080 --> 03:51:56,080
and council member roth for knows. Your next item is agenda item 43.

1835
03:52:04,480 --> 03:52:04,480
no. Item 43 authorize a five year service price agreement for feral hog control and
Abatement services for the dallas water

1836
03:52:14,400 --> 03:52:18,040
utilities department. Striker outfitters, llc. Most advantageous proposal of seven. Estimated amount of $2,227,500.

1837
03:52:25,800 --> 03:52:29,390
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn and council member roth. Same deal. I need a motion to approve. All right.

1838
03:52:34,070 --> 03:52:37,630
I heard a motion. And a second. So you pulled it? Councilwoman. Which one are you two you both pulled.

1839
03:52:40,070 --> 03:52:40,070
who wants to be recognized for five minutes? I'm assuming we're going to have the same
Question,

1840
03:52:44,590 --> 03:52:47,910
although we have not discussed it. Let's see how he does. Going first. Go. Go for it for five minutes. I'm trying to understand how how much of a
Problem this really is.

1841
03:52:56,750 --> 03:53:00,510
how many pigs are we really looking to kill or to or to house? And what are we doing for two? For basically $2.3 million.

1842
03:53:08,270 --> 03:53:08,270
and I really want to understand the scope of the problem,
And I'm being a little bit facetious,

1843
03:53:13,270 --> 03:53:13,270
but I really want to understand the scope of the problem. Good afternoon,
Sarah standifer with dallas water utilities.

1844
03:53:18,750 --> 03:53:18,750
I also have brett johnson with the park department in the event I've got a lot more
Detailed questions and the feral hog population.

1845
03:53:25,210 --> 03:53:25,210
we first began studying them about 2015, created some pilot programs in 2016,
And started our first contract.

1846
03:53:32,250 --> 03:53:32,250
so this protects our levees, our floodways, our golf courses,
And a lot of critical infrastructure that runs along the trinity river.

1847
03:53:39,610 --> 03:53:42,930
and then our major tributaries like white rock creek and others. It is done on a city wide basis. So we have a team that stands behind brett from the
Technical perspective.

1848
03:53:48,130 --> 03:53:48,130
they go through, look at damages and assess. And then based on that,
They will set the number of traps that are needed because you can't just go one spot at a

1849
03:53:55,730 --> 03:53:58,170
time. The the feral hog population is very smart. They reproduce about every 115 days. Each feral hog can reproduce anywhere between 4 and 6
Little hogs.

1850
03:54:05,130 --> 03:54:05,130
they're very smart. They keep evolving. I think in year one and two,
We generally were trapping around 5 to 600 per season of trapping.

1851
03:54:13,610 --> 03:54:17,250
we're down to about 300. So we've cut that population in half. If we delay or don't move forward with those,
Then we just go right back to the damages that we were facing and having to re re grade

1852
03:54:25,480 --> 03:54:25,480
places. Resod. It's really more, it's more of a preventative measure and it's got a
Protocol set up with dpd should there have to be a firearm discharged entire

1853
03:54:35,320 --> 03:54:35,320
protocols because you can't discharge a firearm in the city limits. However feral hogs are
Not the nicest things.

1854
03:54:40,520 --> 03:54:40,520
and so this has been worked across the city over a decade now.

1855
03:54:45,360 --> 03:54:45,360
it's about 2000 hogs, 2000 hogs that you're having to get rid of.

1856
03:54:51,200 --> 03:54:55,200
but what you're doing is you can't kill them. You have to trap them and let them out. They are trapped and then taken to an approved processor,
Okay, as part of these efforts.

1857
03:54:59,640 --> 03:54:59,640
and so is. And so you're, are you doing it on a per cost basis on a per trip basis,
Or is it a or is it a general contract?

1858
03:55:07,400 --> 03:55:07,400
so the feral hog companies do it basically on a per trap per month.

1859
03:55:11,920 --> 03:55:15,840
so some months we'll have 8 or 9 traps out. Other months there may be 16 or 17 traps. We're on kind of the back end of the feral hog season right this moment.

1860
03:55:19,160 --> 03:55:21,630
we'll kind of lean back up in the fall again. And so where I'm going with my question is, again,
This is a contract for a service.

1861
03:55:27,910 --> 03:55:27,910
are you that but it's being charged per trap,
Not as a monthly payment forever and ever for the for the.

1862
03:55:36,790 --> 03:55:39,510
yes, sir. And just like the prior ones, this is an I'd I. Q. So this is setting the base points for us for the next five years.

1863
03:55:42,950 --> 03:55:42,950
so that's where I'm trying to go is that you're not necessarily spending all of this and
That and that it's something that's,

1864
03:55:49,630 --> 03:55:49,630
that's a non-recurring situation where you can scale up or scale down,
You can deal with it,

1865
03:55:55,750 --> 03:55:55,750
you can scale up or scale down, but you just want to have the ability to handle the
Problem.

1866
03:56:01,430 --> 03:56:01,430
yes, sir. Okay. So it's, it's about $1,200 a a trap.

1867
03:56:06,550 --> 03:56:08,910
it sounds like every time you get a, you get one. I believe that under the new contract, that's about what it is. Thank you. Chairwoman
Mendelsohn recognized for five minutes.

1868
03:56:15,590 --> 03:56:15,590
thank you. Mayor. I'm a city girl, and when I saw feral hogs,
I just had to know more about the scope of the problem,

1869
03:56:22,780 --> 03:56:22,780
I think. Council member roth asked that question,
And I think sarah answered it sufficiently.

1870
03:56:28,900 --> 03:56:28,900
but I'll bet you that we are the largest city in america that's spending money on feral
Hogs.

1871
03:56:34,060 --> 03:56:34,060
thank you. All right, miss. Miss blair, you're recognized for five minutes.

1872
03:56:41,780 --> 03:56:41,780
a community that has feral hogs. I would pay this and then some to have a mom,
A dad and a

1873
03:56:51,620 --> 03:56:51,620
family of six little feral hogs. They will destroy a whole community.

1874
03:56:56,660 --> 03:56:56,660
they did. And in district eight. So. Yes. Can we hurry up and pay this one?

1875
03:57:07,380 --> 03:57:07,380
all right. Anyone else want to speak on for against agenda item 43?

1876
03:57:12,140 --> 03:57:15,660
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to your items for individual
Consideration,

1877
03:57:20,280 --> 03:57:20,280
beginning with agenda item 47. Agenda item 47.

1878
03:57:25,480 --> 03:57:25,480
consideration of appointments to boards and commissions this afternoon.

1879
03:57:29,720 --> 03:57:29,720
you have individual and full council appointments.

1880
03:57:34,200 --> 03:57:34,200
your nominees for individual appointment to the park and recreation board.

1881
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:40,000
christopher moore. The second is being nominated nominated by council member gracey to the
South dallas fair park opportunity fund board.

1882
03:57:47,800 --> 03:57:51,240
trent hughes is being nominated by council member mendelsohn. Mr. Hughes meets the actively involved in the south dallas fair park community special
Qualification.

1883
03:57:57,400 --> 03:57:57,400
your nominee for full council appointment to the reinvestment zone 14 board skillman
Corridor.

1884
03:58:03,280 --> 03:58:03,280
shannon mccourt is being nominated by council member stewart.

1885
03:58:08,360 --> 03:58:08,360
these are your nominees, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion?

1886
03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:12,560
second, there's a motion, a second discussion seeing none.

1887
03:58:16,630 --> 03:58:20,630
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Congratulations to those nominees. Thank you,
Mr.

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03:58:23,630 --> 03:58:23,630
mayor. Before I move forward in accordance with section and I'm still under agenda item 47
In accordance with section 12,

1889
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a dash 42 of the dallas city code. I am required to announce names of the board members
Who have failed to submit their financial disclosure reports.

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03:58:41,550 --> 03:58:41,550
ethics advisory commission member lauren melton on the reinvestment zone six board farmers
Market.

1891
03:58:49,390 --> 03:58:49,390
angela downs on the reinvestment zone eight board design district.

1892
03:58:53,950 --> 03:58:53,950
peter hahn to the trinity river. I'm sorry. On the trinity river west mmd,
Luis cruz and larry macgregor.

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03:59:02,630 --> 03:59:02,630
thank you, mr. Mayor. We'll now move to agenda item 48.

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03:59:09,790 --> 03:59:09,790
agenda item 48 is consideration of appointments to the dallas area rapid transit board of
Directors for positions one and two for the.

1895
03:59:19,660 --> 03:59:19,660
for the 2026 2028 board term. This is your item,
Mr.

1896
03:59:23,980 --> 03:59:23,980
mayor. Looking for a motion? I move to appoint maureen milligan and carmen garcia to the
Dallas area rapid transit board of directors to positions one and

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03:59:33,780 --> 03:59:33,780
two with the terms to begin july 1st, 2026 and expire june 30th,
2028.

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03:59:40,500 --> 03:59:43,660
it's been moved and seconded. Discussion. Chairman ridley. No. Any discussion? Anyone seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye.

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03:59:46,860 --> 03:59:50,620
any opposed? The ayes have it. Next item. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Agenda item 49 is an ordinance one appointing ten full time municipal judges and 16
Associate part time municipal

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judges for the city of dallas. Municipal court of record for a two year term ending may
31st,

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2028. Two designating and administrative municipal judge three establishing the annual
Salaries for the administrative municipal judge,

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the municipal judges and the associate municipal judges for providing a severability
Clause and five providing an effective date.

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this is your item, mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion? I move to follow the recommendation of the ad hoc judicial nominations committee and
Approve the appointment of ten full time municipal judges and

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16 associate municipal judges for a two year term ending on may 31st,
2028.

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the appointment of preston robinson jr as the administrative municipal judge and a 3.2%
Pay increase for full time municipal judges.

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04:00:56,330 --> 04:00:56,330
additionally, I move to approve a 3.2% pay increase for associate municipal judges.

1907
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second, it's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? No discussion. Anyone. Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye.

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aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. Next item,
Mr.

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mayor. You have there are no items further. But you do have some unfinished business on
Agenda item nine.

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okay, then, mr. Mayor. Okay. I'm told that item is being hailed,
Mr.

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mayor. Then this concludes your items for this session. Okay? Okay. Then what we're going to do is we'll recess for lunch for an hour,
And we'll come back and we'll pick up that item and anything else that was deferred to

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after lunch. So we'll reconvene at 230. Everyone. 230. Thank you.

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all right. Good afternoon. The time is 240 and we are back in session.

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madam city secretary. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will go back to

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your unfinished business on agenda item nine. Thank you. Council member blackmon, we are back on item number nine.

1916
04:02:29,140 --> 04:02:31,700
yes. I did not make it. I think it was gracey mr. Gracey. That made it. That's correct. We were just going back to the speaker list and you
Were next.

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oh, no. I'm sorry. I was going to make the motion to table it till the end.

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I apologize, that's why I. Okay. Sorry about that. Council member middleton, three minutes. Okay.

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council member, chair johnson. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr.

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mayor. This is concerning the cv, I correct? Okay.

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thank you, city manager for allowing me to meet,
I think.

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I don't know if they're still here. I want to challenge my colleagues this upcoming
Budget,

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the money that we have right now is not going to be sustainable when we're looking at the
Cvi programs and what they bring.

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and when you break it down, $300,000, which we just finished doing a few minutes ago 100
Or $30,000 goes to

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administration fees, $105,000 of those 300,000 goes to the hype center.

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and then within that, you have your mental health counselor. So there's, there's the actual dollars that's going to go boots on the ground.

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it's going to go between 15 to $20,000 which will only get us through the summer.

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and so that's some of the challenges that I was having because I've done this work as a
School board trustee.

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I've done this work as a community liaison for dallas isd.

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and I know. What it takes to get this kind of work done effectively.

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and in the meeting we've discussed how many kids have we have lost lives due to violent
Crime.

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I lost my oldest boy due to gun violence. So this work is not political to me.

1933
04:04:42,520 --> 04:04:42,520
it's I'm very passionate about it and I want to see it be sustainable so it can bring real
Results to our kids.

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04:04:49,480 --> 04:04:49,480
also partnering with dallas isd and trying to also get those resources and have a way they
Can help us.

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04:04:58,880 --> 04:04:58,880
so during this upcoming budget, it. I'm asking my my colleagues and I know that we're
Dealing with a tough season with this budget,

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but to find a way where we can bring a real solution with the cvi program,
Where it says 300 000 for a year,

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but it's not going to last a year because the boots on the ground work is really cost more
Than what we're able to give.

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04:05:24,300 --> 04:05:24,300
so city manager is doing her level best. We have to meet the need of just not just my
District of the districts that are dealing with

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something, some of the same problems that exist. And so it's tough to support it because it's not sustainable.

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however, I want to see what we can do with the summertime,
With the little that we do have and go back to the drawing board in between those times so

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that we can have a real robust discussion of how that will look going forward so we can
Keep this program sustainable for our kids.

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04:06:00,490 --> 04:06:00,490
thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Chair mendelsohn three minutes.

1943
04:06:04,730 --> 04:06:04,730
thank you. Some of the folks have said that while we've got to go forward as soon as
Possible,

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we gotta get. We gotta get this going. School's out. Today's last day of school. Could we have an understanding of if they are ready to deploy
Immediately or if they're not?

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04:06:20,810 --> 04:06:20,810
how is that working? Well.

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jessica galicia, deputy director of housing and community empowerment. So the contract is being finalized. And the stipulation was actually that they would be
Ready to work within five days of execution of the contract.

1947
04:06:47,050 --> 04:06:47,050
so they're ready to deploy immediately. And how does that work?

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04:06:52,730 --> 04:06:52,730
when one of the comments made was that they're going to work with other organizations to
Come up with proposals that then they would fund,

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04:07:02,920 --> 04:07:02,920
because there are layers to the project and time frames,
And actually some of the organizations that they're going to be working out on are laid

1950
04:07:11,880 --> 04:07:11,880
out within the proposal, and they're going to be continuing to build those as well.

1951
04:07:16,360 --> 04:07:16,360
so there's ongoing work streams at two layers.

1952
04:07:20,680 --> 04:07:20,680
okay. So they are not ready to deploy people in five days from the execution of the
Contract.

1953
04:07:26,720 --> 04:07:26,720
they are ready to deploy people, and they are also going to be building and extending
Relationships.

1954
04:07:33,120 --> 04:07:33,120
okay. What does that mean? I'm not sure how to answer that question.

1955
04:07:39,760 --> 04:07:39,760
well, what activities are involved with building and extending the relationships?

1956
04:07:43,800 --> 04:07:43,800
what does that mean? So the relationship and I think that they're going to be joining us
Again shortly.

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04:07:53,480 --> 04:07:53,480
so the organization has the capacity to deliver direct services.

1958
04:07:58,710 --> 04:07:58,710
and additionally, the organization is doing ecosystem building work in order to strengthen
Partnerships and strengthen community based

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organizations as well. And so there's but specifically,
What are they doing to strengthen a partnership?

1960
04:08:15,510 --> 04:08:15,510
like, what does that mean? Like take away the organizational language and specifically
Identify what will they be doing?

1961
04:08:23,630 --> 04:08:23,630
so miss ulis is here and she can speak to that.

1962
04:08:29,870 --> 04:08:33,630
yes sir. Yes. Councilman would you mind just repeating the question. I literally just walked back into the chamber. So the question is if this contract went
Forward today,

1963
04:08:40,790 --> 04:08:40,790
what is it you're prepared to do? At what time specifically what you're doing?

1964
04:08:45,110 --> 04:08:45,110
please don't use these general words. But specifically,
What will you be doing with whom?

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04:08:50,710 --> 04:08:50,710
because you did mention that you're going to work with these other vendors to then do the
Work,

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but you don't have those agreements in place,
Is that correct? So there are several agreements we do have in place presently.

1967
04:09:02,650 --> 04:09:02,650
there are two streams, two workflow streams that we've outlined in our proposal.

1968
04:09:06,730 --> 04:09:06,730
the first one is our work that we provide to young people between the ages of 18 to 24.

1969
04:09:12,730 --> 04:09:12,730
so as I mentioned, some of the some of the drivers of violence and of justice system
Involvement have to do with connecting young people into resources,

1970
04:09:21,770 --> 04:09:21,770
into education, into workforce employment. And we do that work right away.

1971
04:09:26,450 --> 04:09:26,450
so one of the requirements in the nofa was to be able to start work within five days of
The contract being executed,

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04:09:32,930 --> 04:09:32,930
and that is work that we can start right away,
Because that is work that we do and that those efforts many people do you have that are on

1973
04:09:40,370 --> 04:09:40,370
day six going to go help kids find jobs. We have a we have a staff.

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04:09:46,090 --> 04:09:46,090
we have a team of three. How many people do you have that are going to go out in the field
And work with kids that are at risk of violence to help them

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04:09:55,920 --> 04:09:55,920
find jobs. So we have three on staff and all three of them will be deployed on day six.

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04:10:03,400 --> 04:10:05,960
so all three of them are presently doing that work. Now that this is part of the work that we presently do.

1977
04:10:08,520 --> 04:10:08,520
so yes, they will be available to reach out to kids,
To reach out to young people who are needing to be connected to workforce and to

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04:10:16,640 --> 04:10:16,640
education. And we are happy to connect with any of the programs in your respective
Districts.

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if you have young people who need to have access to those services,
That sounds very passive that you're available to help people.

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the question is, are you going to be doing it? Are you like, hey, I will be stationed at mlk.

1981
04:10:33,480 --> 04:10:33,480
every teenager that walks in there, we're going to talk to them about a job. We're going
To be stationed here. Here's what we're doing. I'm actually asking for like,

1982
04:10:40,480 --> 04:10:40,480
what will you affirmatively do? Not like what you're available to do.

1983
04:10:44,680 --> 04:10:44,680
sure. Which is different. Okay. So what we are,
What we do is we have a engagement specialist who goes into the community,

1984
04:10:53,990 --> 04:10:53,990
who has been at bus stops, who has been at train stops,
Who goes to recreation centers, who have been to mlk,

1985
04:11:00,550 --> 04:11:00,550
who go to different events happening in the community where we know these young people who
Are disconnected from working from school,

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exist, and where they are, are situated. They meet directly with those young people.

1987
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they bring them back to our help center. They do an entire assessment,
Including the positive achievement change tool,

1988
04:11:18,190 --> 04:11:18,190
which is the tool that the juvenile justice department's to use to assess risk level for
Those individuals.

1989
04:11:24,350 --> 04:11:24,350
they will then be they will then devise an individualized care plan that addresses their
Underlying needs,

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04:11:29,870 --> 04:11:29,870
that causes them to be disconnected from work and school,
And at risk both for violence and for justice system involvement.

1991
04:11:37,270 --> 04:11:37,270
they will have an individual care plan, which allows them to access life skills services
As well as job readiness services through our career labs

1992
04:11:46,670 --> 04:11:46,670
programing. And then they will have access to whatever career path,
Whatever education path they are interested in,

1993
04:11:52,860 --> 04:11:52,860
whether they want to get a certification in hvac,
Whether they want to get a certification in heo heavy equipment operator services,

1994
04:11:59,620 --> 04:11:59,620
whether they want to get phlebotomy certifications,
Whatever their interest is, we will seek to find those avenues.

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04:12:05,780 --> 04:12:05,780
we have those partnerships, but if there is something outside of our scope,
We will go find those resources to connect them.

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04:12:12,020 --> 04:12:12,020
thank you. That was a very good answer. It was exactly what I was asking about.

1997
04:12:16,740 --> 04:12:16,740
the second part is the other nonprofits that you were talking about earlier,
What is the time frame for engaging them and what would that look like?

1998
04:12:26,180 --> 04:12:29,780
absolutely. So those work, so we already have nonprofits that we are engaged with. So we are presently engaged with youth 180, which is a mental health services provider.

1999
04:12:34,260 --> 04:12:37,020
we are also engaged with south dallas driving academy. There are a number of young people between the ages of 18 and 24 who are interested in cdl
Licensure,

2000
04:12:42,740 --> 04:12:42,740
so we get them plugged into those services. As far as additional additional nonprofits
That want to be a part of the ecosystem,

2001
04:12:51,120 --> 04:12:51,120
work that work. We will begin having those conversations again from day one as well.

2002
04:12:56,600 --> 04:12:56,600
we will go back to our youth safety strategic plan,
Which we did in partnership with the city just a couple of years ago,

2003
04:13:03,200 --> 04:13:06,040
right at the end of it was released in the end of 2020. For those partners that were part of that work will be a part of the discussions in terms
Of building out additional pathways for young people and getting the boots on the ground

2004
04:13:14,680 --> 04:13:14,680
work connected to these services. Okay. Well,
Thank you very much for sharing what you do.

2005
04:13:22,400 --> 04:13:26,240
it sounds like important work and I'm for it. I will say it also sounds like job skills and education.

2006
04:13:33,480 --> 04:13:33,480
it's not as much as dealing with the actual crime from what I'm hearing,
So I'm interested in learning more.

2007
04:13:39,680 --> 04:13:39,680
this is probably not the time, but thank you for at least answering the question,
I question.

2008
04:13:45,190 --> 04:13:45,190
I appreciate that. Absolutely. Councilwoman thank you for asking the question. Happy to
Come by and share more about the work that we do and the additional partnerships that we

2009
04:13:52,070 --> 04:13:52,070
have with those those direct boots on the ground violence intervention persons as well.

2010
04:13:57,750 --> 04:13:57,750
okay. Well, I mean, I see now why this part is not part of dpd,
Which I'm interested in the cvi that would be part of

2011
04:14:07,390 --> 04:14:07,390
dpd. Thank you chair. Johnson one minute. Thank you.

2012
04:14:13,790 --> 04:14:13,790
can you describe more of the mental health council the mental health piece that we
Discussed in the office?

2013
04:14:20,030 --> 04:14:20,030
I know we didn't get directly into it. If you can do that.

2014
04:14:24,630 --> 04:14:24,630
absolutely. So we have over the years excuse me,
We engage directly with young people.

2015
04:14:30,390 --> 04:14:30,390
we get significant feedback from them. We ask often,
What do young people need and what are the services that they need.

2016
04:14:37,350 --> 04:14:37,350
we conducted a survey, a landscape analysis of our opportunity youth in dallas,
Of which in dallas county there's about 43,000 opportunity youth.

2017
04:14:46,380 --> 04:14:46,380
those are folks, again, disconnected from work and from school,
Also susceptible, susceptible to violence and justice system involvement in asking over

2018
04:14:55,860 --> 04:14:55,860
100 young people what they needed. Many of them highlighted mental health supports and
Services.

2019
04:15:01,140 --> 04:15:01,140
we have a number of young people who have undiagnosed mental health conditions where they
Just don't have access to the appropriate services.

2020
04:15:09,740 --> 04:15:09,740
many of our young people have have encountered multiple layers of trauma.

2021
04:15:14,100 --> 04:15:14,100
so for our participants who come through our program,
Our participants have on average four or more aces adverse childhood experiences score,

2022
04:15:23,100 --> 04:15:23,100
which means that they have experienced a number of traumas that impact behavior.

2023
04:15:27,660 --> 04:15:27,660
and those are some of the underlying factors that are critical to address,
Particularly when we're talking about youth violence.

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04:15:35,300 --> 04:15:35,300
did I answer your question? Sure. Councilmember johnson,
I said this education and equity or equality leads to poverty,

2025
04:15:41,890 --> 04:15:41,890
and poverty leads to violence. So if we're going to fix the violence in our community and
We must address the poverty that that is that's in our community.

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04:15:55,410 --> 04:15:58,490
it's not enough money to get this thing done the way it needs to be done. We've discussed that in the office. And so 15 to $20,000,
When it's all said and done, will only carry us through the summer.

2027
04:16:08,370 --> 04:16:08,370
and to milsons point, she's looking for the violence interrupters or resources that will
Help with the violence

2028
04:16:18,250 --> 04:16:18,250
part of that we've discussed in the office. So in order to get that done,
We need more resources and more funding so it can be sustainable.

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04:16:27,290 --> 04:16:27,290
and that's why I want to challenge my colleagues during this tough budget season that we
Look holistically in that and then talk to dallas,

2030
04:16:33,050 --> 04:16:33,050
isd and other partners that we have to address these issues so it can benefit all our
Communities.

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04:16:37,410 --> 04:16:37,410
thank you, mr. Mayor. Okay. I don't see anyone else in the queue right now.

2032
04:16:41,760 --> 04:16:41,760
there is a motion by chair johnson to defer this item.

2033
04:16:49,000 --> 04:16:49,000
mr. Mayor. I don't want to. Know what's correct?

2034
04:16:56,280 --> 04:17:00,200
where my mind went blank. Yeah, I defer my I withdraw my motion. I'm sorry. My mind went blank. Okay, I withdraw my motion.

2035
04:17:02,840 --> 04:17:02,840
motion is withdrawn. Is there a motion? New motion for the item.

2036
04:17:07,400 --> 04:17:11,200
second, a motion to approve and a second, any discussion? Seeing no discussion. Chair middleton five minutes.

2037
04:17:15,640 --> 04:17:15,640
so I don't need five minutes. I will actually just do the one minute that was left on the
Other one.

2038
04:17:21,480 --> 04:17:21,480
out of respect to everybody, this is an opportunity program and the kids need
Opportunities and I'm for that.

2039
04:17:29,600 --> 04:17:29,600
but the comment that chair maxey, chair johnson just made that poverty leads to violence.

2040
04:17:37,320 --> 04:17:37,320
I'm going to I'm going to push back on that and say no.

2041
04:17:41,500 --> 04:17:41,500
my parents grew up in poverty. My father literally grew up hungry.

2042
04:17:46,220 --> 04:17:46,220
working jobs to be able to feed himself. And there wasn't violence.

2043
04:17:51,460 --> 04:17:53,660
so poverty does not have to lead to violence. There's other choices. And that's the part that's missing,
Is to show people, what are the other opportunities that can help take you out of poverty

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04:18:02,180 --> 04:18:02,180
and lead to a successful life? It doesn't require violence,
And I don't think those two are joined.

2045
04:18:11,180 --> 04:18:11,180
it doesn't mean they're not connected in some ways,
But it is not your fate to be violent just because you are poor.

2046
04:18:20,660 --> 04:18:20,660
thank you. Chair johnson, five minutes. Thank you.

2047
04:18:28,300 --> 04:18:28,300
I'm not saying that because you are lacking funding,
That you decide to be poor or you decide to be violent.

2048
04:18:36,850 --> 04:18:36,850
what I'm saying is, in my community, decisions have been made because that's all they had
Due to racism and disparities.

2049
04:18:46,610 --> 04:18:46,610
we do not get the resources that we need. That was happening in your community.

2050
04:18:51,410 --> 04:18:51,410
in my community. We was left without. Therefore,
We made decisions that was to their best interest to take care of their family.

2051
04:19:01,050 --> 04:19:01,050
so I repeat it. Educational inequity or inequality leads to poverty and poverty leads to
Violence.

2052
04:19:10,050 --> 04:19:13,810
that's not saying that you. If you're poor, you must be violent. That is saying that some have made the decision to go a different route.

2053
04:19:17,890 --> 04:19:17,890
and that decision has led to violence. So let's be clear.

2054
04:19:23,050 --> 04:19:23,050
in district four and in southern dallas, we have been without due to being underfunded,
Disproportionately disenfranchized

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04:19:33,200 --> 04:19:33,200
ignored and therefore people made the wrong decision.

2056
04:19:38,120 --> 04:19:38,120
poverty that led to violence. The data shows that and history shows that.

2057
04:19:43,800 --> 04:19:43,800
thank you. Thank you. Chair. Gracey five minutes.

2058
04:19:48,960 --> 04:19:48,960
thank you for providing that clarity, chair maxey.

2059
04:19:53,200 --> 04:19:53,200
miss walters, I want to thank you. I want to thank you for the just not just what you will
Be doing on this particular contract,

2060
04:19:59,480 --> 04:19:59,480
but the work you've been doing in the community for,
For this long.

2061
04:20:03,600 --> 04:20:03,600
and I want to thank staff for, for being thoughtful through putting this proposal
Together,

2062
04:20:09,960 --> 04:20:09,960
understanding that there are so many different needs,
So many different areas, so many different touch points.

2063
04:20:15,400 --> 04:20:15,400
you call them aces, traumatic experiences that we've all had.

2064
04:20:19,920 --> 04:20:19,920
we've all grown up without even having them addressed and don't know why we the way we are
Today.

2065
04:20:25,360 --> 04:20:25,360
so with all of this idea of kids crashing out and all of these different things,
And they don't even understand why they're doing that.

2066
04:20:32,430 --> 04:20:32,430
the thoughtfulness that goes into this piece,
Making sure psychologically they are able to trauma informed all these different things

2067
04:20:40,710 --> 04:20:40,710
that they need to, to function in society. Because again,
When you have poverty as one item,

2068
04:20:47,150 --> 04:20:47,150
but then you have all of these other issues,
People aren't processing that.

2069
04:20:51,830 --> 04:20:51,830
me and my best friend, we just, we call it a frontal lobe malfunction is what we're
Calling it. And,

2070
04:20:56,110 --> 04:20:56,110
and, and these are the type of programs that need to be in place to catch them before it's
Intervention.

2071
04:21:02,390 --> 04:21:02,390
it's intervention. These they don't know how to deal with these emotions when they come.

2072
04:21:06,430 --> 04:21:09,830
they don't know how to respond, how to process these feelings and all of this. So every single aspect of this and what your organization is going to be doing from jump
From day one is just that it's touching every single piece of

2073
04:21:19,870 --> 04:21:23,150
that. And then when it gets to the streets, you're absolutely right. This is not enough money to really do what we need,
But adding these two essential pieces.

2074
04:21:28,230 --> 04:21:28,230
and I think that's the difference between what we had before and what we have before.

2075
04:21:33,210 --> 04:21:36,530
we had that, and we just had them in the streets doing the work. If I my understanding is correct, but we didn't have the mental side of this piece,
The places to send them,

2076
04:21:42,330 --> 04:21:45,370
to redirect them. And now we're putting all of that together. So I'm very glad that we've gone through this process,
And I'm pleased that you had the opportunity to have the conversations there.

2077
04:21:51,290 --> 04:21:51,290
but but I don't want us to get held up on delaying something at a very critical time,
Not just because summer's tomorrow,

2078
04:21:59,410 --> 04:21:59,410
but this is a critical time that we're in, and we need these services in place,
And we need the folks that are in place.

2079
04:22:06,810 --> 04:22:06,810
and again, I know you're familiar with some of the organizations that are out there doing
The work. So I don't have any doubt that building those relationships and building upon

2080
04:22:14,370 --> 04:22:17,330
this will be a challenge for you. So again, mr. City manager jessica deputy director, I think thank you all the titles and miss waters,
Thank you for,

2081
04:22:26,890 --> 04:22:26,890
for, for putting this together. But again, I just I just want to reiterate the importance
Of this and,

2082
04:22:31,840 --> 04:22:31,840
and stress that this was a process that was thought through and meant to enhance previous
Programs to move us forward.

2083
04:22:39,960 --> 04:22:42,320
so again, thank you for the work that you're doing. And thank you, mr. Mayor, for your time. And thank you. Thank you,
Mr. Johnson, for flexibility. Council member bazaldua five minutes.

2084
04:22:49,280 --> 04:22:49,280
thank you. I will just echo the sentiments of both my colleagues and just say that I
Definitely think there is clear data that supports that

2085
04:22:58,640 --> 04:22:58,640
correlation that, that councilmember johnson mentioned in poverty.

2086
04:23:03,480 --> 04:23:03,480
and I think just to, just to ask anecdotally where,
Where are,

2087
04:23:13,760 --> 04:23:13,760
where specifically are these efforts deployed?

2088
04:23:21,160 --> 04:23:21,160
council member. Bazaldua. That's directed to me. I'm,
I'm assuming. Yes. Either either or,

2089
04:23:26,470 --> 04:23:26,470
jessica, I don't I don't know who would feel appropriate,
But if whoever has the answer, I'll take it.

2090
04:23:31,630 --> 04:23:31,630
so in terms of intentional deployment, the zip codes we've identified that we laid out in
The proposal were based on data that we pulled from,

2091
04:23:39,550 --> 04:23:39,550
you know, the community health needs assessment from dpd,
From our own data dashboard.

2092
04:23:44,950 --> 04:23:44,950
but those zip codes are 75215216 and 217. Now,
As an organization, we do service young people across the county.

2093
04:23:53,510 --> 04:23:53,510
and so if there are young people who need our services and we encounter those young
People,

2094
04:23:58,070 --> 04:23:58,070
we do provide services to them as well. But there's clear data to show that this is this
Is a concentration,

2095
04:24:04,910 --> 04:24:04,910
and it's mostly in southern dallas that also correlates to some of our lower socioeconomic
Communities.

2096
04:24:09,830 --> 04:24:09,830
correct? Yes, that is correct. And how much outreach do you see in your in your field,
If you will,

2097
04:24:18,470 --> 04:24:18,470
just proportionately percentage wise in more affluent higher income areas.

2098
04:24:27,860 --> 04:24:27,860
when you say outreach from our organization,
In particular from other organizations across the city as a whole,

2099
04:24:33,940 --> 04:24:33,940
like in the, in the, in the industry. You know,
I don't I don't know that I could answer that question with,

2100
04:24:40,860 --> 04:24:40,860
with particularity. I know that we as an organization,
We focus on where the data tells us to go.

2101
04:24:49,020 --> 04:24:49,020
because we want to make sure that we are meeting the needs and filling the gaps and
Actually moving the needle on the challenges and the communities that we see.

2102
04:24:58,500 --> 04:24:58,500
well, I just think it's important to highlight because it's,
It's, it's somewhat out of touch to a

2103
04:25:08,500 --> 04:25:08,500
blanket statement that, that there is no correlation when there is a lack of access and a
Lack of opportunity.

2104
04:25:13,820 --> 04:25:13,820
we see data with even our child poverty action lab,
We've seen data with our county's needs health needs assessment.

2105
04:25:23,440 --> 04:25:23,440
we have disparities in inequities that exist and they have clearly resulted to more
Concentration in violent crime.

2106
04:25:31,720 --> 04:25:31,720
I want to say one thing. When when chief garcia came to our city I did a ride along with
Him through my district and talked to him

2107
04:25:41,560 --> 04:25:41,560
about what was going on. And there was one question that stuck out to me,
And I'll never forget it.

2108
04:25:46,440 --> 04:25:46,440
but he said, who lives in that house or no? He said,
Why don't y'all demolish homes like that?

2109
04:25:51,320 --> 04:25:51,320
I said, sir, someone lives there. And he said he was shocked and it can be shocking.

2110
04:25:57,160 --> 04:25:57,160
and he said, I, he said, you know, the reason why we had I,
I came from a city the same size and we had 1000 less officers.

2111
04:26:06,080 --> 04:26:09,320
he said, I didn't even know poverty existed like this. And so when you correlate the hot spots that we see within our public safety needs,
When you look at what we are really trying to concentrate,

2112
04:26:17,200 --> 04:26:17,200
we have to be able to have the hard conversations about what our young people are not
Afforded in some parts of our city that they are in others.

2113
04:26:24,550 --> 04:26:24,550
we have to look at these as an investment that's going to help even out that score,
Because it's definitely an uneven playing field.

2114
04:26:31,590 --> 04:26:33,830
so I want to commend you and thank you for this work. I'm glad that we are not deferring this. I think it's it's really critical.

2115
04:26:37,870 --> 04:26:37,870
and just as council member gracey mentioned,
This is an add on to efforts that have been taking place now for quite a while.

2116
04:26:45,310 --> 04:26:45,310
in fact, from when we were getting data from council member gracey as a staffer telling us
To do things like this because of the inequities that exist in the city.

2117
04:26:54,230 --> 04:26:54,230
so it's this is a this is a huge program that I'm fully supportive of.

2118
04:26:59,390 --> 04:26:59,390
and, and I'm glad that we're not deferring this. Happy to support it. Thank you.

2119
04:27:03,790 --> 04:27:06,750
councilmember resendez, thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm supporting this item as well, but I thought it was important for me to chime in just
So that the public understands how I think maybe the majority of the council feels.

2120
04:27:19,100 --> 04:27:19,100
we can't claim to be serious about public safety while ignoring the role that concentrated
Poverty,

2121
04:27:25,620 --> 04:27:29,620
hopelessness and disinvestment play in fueling violence. Research consistently shows that communities facing persistent poverty and generations of
Neglect experience higher risks of crime and violence.

2122
04:27:38,500 --> 04:27:38,500
I grew up in pleasant grove, and I saw firsthand what happens when people feel trapped
Without opportunity.

2123
04:27:44,980 --> 04:27:44,980
I saw people sell drugs, rob people, and steal in the community where I grew up.

2124
04:27:50,220 --> 04:27:50,220
and that reality does not excuse criminal behavior,
And it never should.

2125
04:27:54,380 --> 04:27:54,380
at the same time, I'll always commend the many people who grow up surrounded by redlining,

2126
04:28:00,260 --> 04:28:00,260
disinvestment, struggling schools, poverty and violence,
And still choose not to resort to crime.

2127
04:28:07,540 --> 04:28:11,540
there are countless people in communities like pleasant grove who work hard,
Raise families, serve others, and overcome obstacles that many people never have to face.

2128
04:28:15,740 --> 04:28:15,740
but if we truly want safer neighborhoods across dallas,
Then we must be willing to invest not only in enforcement,

2129
04:28:22,250 --> 04:28:22,250
but also in opportunity, stability, education,
Mental health resources, infrastructure, and hope.

2130
04:28:29,130 --> 04:28:29,130
thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Seeing no one else in the queue,
There is a motion and a second.

2131
04:28:34,250 --> 04:28:34,250
all in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you,
Mr.

2132
04:28:40,490 --> 04:28:40,490
mayor. We will now move to your zoning agenda.

2133
04:28:45,010 --> 04:28:47,450
before we move to your zoning consent agenda,
Mr. Mayor, council member west would like to be recognized at this time on item z 11.

2134
04:28:52,090 --> 04:28:52,090
chair west. Thank you. I move to defer this item to june 24th,
2026.

2135
04:29:01,570 --> 04:29:01,570
second. Second. A motion and a second. Any discussion?

2136
04:29:07,530 --> 04:29:11,290
seeing none. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to your zoning consent agenda.

2137
04:29:14,790 --> 04:29:14,790
your zoning consent agenda consisted of item z one through z nine.

2138
04:29:18,990 --> 04:29:21,390
item z one has been pulled by council member ridley. Item z two has been pulled by council member roth and item z three has been pulled by
Council member bazaldua.

2139
04:29:27,630 --> 04:29:27,630
therefore, your zoning consent agenda consists of item z four through z nine.

2140
04:29:32,950 --> 04:29:32,950
I'll read those items into the record. Item z four is a public hearing on an ordinance
Granting an amendment to specific use permit number 1831 for a bail

2141
04:29:42,630 --> 04:29:42,630
bonds office on property on the south east corner of reunion boulevard and south
Riverfront boulevard.

2142
04:29:49,150 --> 04:29:49,150
item z five is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a wmu-3 walkable mixed use
Subdistrict c on property on the west corner of north madison avenue

2143
04:29:59,070 --> 04:29:59,070
and ballard avenue. Item z six is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an amendment
To tracks one and two within planned development district number 814 on

2144
04:30:08,830 --> 04:30:08,830
property on the northwest corner of university boulevard and inwood road.

2145
04:30:13,660 --> 04:30:13,660
item z7 is a public hearing in an ordinance granting an historic overlay for the wesley in
1159 north madison avenue on property along the south line of

2146
04:30:23,580 --> 04:30:27,300
north madison avenue, west of ballard avenue. Item d8 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an expansion of subdistrict one
Planned development district number 101 on property on the north west line of

2147
04:30:37,060 --> 04:30:37,060
west camp wisdom road between beltline road and turnout lane and item z9 is a public
Hearing and an ordinance granting a new specific use permit for an

2148
04:30:46,900 --> 04:30:46,900
open enrollment charter school on property on the southeast line of garland road and the
Northwest line of alvin street.

2149
04:30:55,140 --> 04:30:57,620
there are no registered speakers for any of these items. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Any of the zoning consent agenda items that were just read into the record item z four

2150
04:31:06,820 --> 04:31:06,820
through z nine? No speakers, mr. Mayor. Thank you.

2151
04:31:11,490 --> 04:31:11,490
is there a motion? Chair west. There's a motion for approval.

2152
04:31:16,370 --> 04:31:16,370
is there a second? Second. Second. Go ahead. Thank you.

2153
04:31:23,770 --> 04:31:23,770
mayor. I wanted to point out z seven because it's a really,
Really cool case.

2154
04:31:30,610 --> 04:31:30,610
this is an item known as the madison hotel, which,
If you know my district, you'll know hogg elementary school is right there by methodist

2155
04:31:39,170 --> 04:31:39,170
hospital. This is a historic it's a landmarking for this historic property.

2156
04:31:45,290 --> 04:31:45,290
the madison hotel was originally constructed in 1926,
And in 2026, exactly 100 years later.

2157
04:31:54,290 --> 04:31:54,290
landmarking the property is a meaningful opportunity to protect and recognize an authentic
Piece of dallas history.

2158
04:32:00,650 --> 04:32:00,650
the building represents a rare surviving neighborhood hotel from oak cliff's early growth
Period,

2159
04:32:07,010 --> 04:32:07,010
and has remained part of the area's architectural fabric through generations of change.

2160
04:32:11,760 --> 04:32:11,760
unlike many historic buildings that were demolished or heavily altered,
The madison still reflects its original purpose and character.

2161
04:32:18,600 --> 04:32:18,600
landmark designation will help ensure the long term preservation of the building's
Historic identity beyond the current ownership.

2162
04:32:25,920 --> 04:32:25,920
thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion?

2163
04:32:30,120 --> 04:32:30,120
seeing none, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Any opposed?

2164
04:32:34,600 --> 04:32:38,280
motion carries. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now go to your first poll. Zoning item item z one. Item z one is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an
Amendment to plan

2165
04:32:48,280 --> 04:32:48,280
development subdistrict number 154 within plan development district number 193,
The oak lawn special purpose district on property bounded by mckinney avenue,

2166
04:32:58,560 --> 04:32:58,560
north akard street and north saint paul street.

2167
04:33:04,400 --> 04:33:04,400
mr. Mayor, we sent 99 notices to property owners within 500ft of the area of request.

2168
04:33:11,180 --> 04:33:11,180
we received two replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

2169
04:33:15,420 --> 04:33:15,420
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item z one?

2170
04:33:22,740 --> 04:33:25,460
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Chair ridley, do you have a motion? Yes, I do. I move to remand this item to the city plan commission for consideration of an
Alternate land use.

2171
04:33:33,420 --> 04:33:36,180
there's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Yes. The applicant has decided that they wish to explore a hotel use in lieu of multifamily in
This site,

2172
04:33:45,380 --> 04:33:45,380
and therefore want the opportunity to go back to the plan commission and to engage the
Community about that possible alternative land

2173
04:33:55,220 --> 04:33:55,220
use. Thank you. All right. Seeing no further discussion,
There's a motion and a second.

2174
04:34:02,780 --> 04:34:02,780
all in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. Item z two is a public hearing and an ordinance
Granting an amendment to plan

2175
04:34:12,410 --> 04:34:12,410
development district number 880 on the north line of lyndon b johnson freeway between
Ridge view circle and hughes lane.

2176
04:34:21,410 --> 04:34:21,410
all right. Mr. Mayor, we sent 97 notices to property owners within 500ft of the area
Request.

2177
04:34:28,050 --> 04:34:28,050
we received four replies in favor and six replies in opposition.

2178
04:34:33,050 --> 04:34:33,050
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item z two?

2179
04:34:40,450 --> 04:34:43,530
I'm here to answer any questions. Thank you. No speakers,
Mr. Mayor. Council member ross, do you have a motion?

2180
04:34:46,890 --> 04:34:46,890
I do, I move to approve this item as recommended by the city planning commission with the
Following changes.

2181
04:34:56,170 --> 04:34:56,170
agricultural uses, open enrollment, charter school and public school.

2182
04:35:01,170 --> 04:35:04,960
other than an open enrollment charter school are permitted by. Right. Thank you. Any discussion, councilmember roth?

2183
04:35:11,160 --> 04:35:14,400
okay. Seeing no further discussion. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Item z three. Is a public hearing on an ordinance

2184
04:35:24,160 --> 04:35:27,720
granting a new planned development district number,
Th-3. A townhouse district uses on property on the west line of la prada drive and east line of
Shiloh road.

2185
04:35:35,840 --> 04:35:35,840
mr. Mayor, we sent seven notices to property owners within 500ft of the area.

2186
04:35:41,600 --> 04:35:41,600
request. We received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

2187
04:35:47,640 --> 04:35:47,640
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address city council on item z three?

2188
04:35:55,000 --> 04:35:57,680
here to answer any questions. Thank you. No speakers,
Mr. Mayor. Chair west. Thank you. I move to approve this item as recommended by the city
Planning commission with the following changes.

2189
04:36:05,670 --> 04:36:09,110
agricultural uses are permitted by right and. Except for a shared access development, the yard lot and space regulations for the three a
District apply.

2190
04:36:17,150 --> 04:36:20,590
thank you. There's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing? No discussion. All in favor? Any opposed?

2191
04:36:24,310 --> 04:36:24,310
motion carries. We will now move to your individual zoning items.

2192
04:36:30,070 --> 04:36:30,070
item z ten. Item c ten is a public hearing and an ordinance granting the removal of
Shopfront

2193
04:36:39,670 --> 04:36:39,670
overlay s, h-6 on property on the west corner of east eighth street and lansing street.

2194
04:36:48,470 --> 04:36:48,470
all right, mr. Mayor, we sent 29 notices to property owners within 200ft of the area of
Request.

2195
04:36:55,070 --> 04:36:59,070
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition. And you do have an individual who has registered to speak on this item.

2196
04:37:06,220 --> 04:37:06,220
fred pena mr. Pena is not online and not in the audience.

2197
04:37:12,740 --> 04:37:12,740
are there any other individuals in the audience that would like to address the city
Council on item z ten?

2198
04:37:19,220 --> 04:37:22,540
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Chair west,
You have a motion. I move to deny the zoning change without prejudice.

2199
04:37:26,020 --> 04:37:28,980
there's a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

2200
04:37:33,900 --> 04:37:33,900
item z 12 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment to specific use
Permit number 2180 for an open

2201
04:37:43,460 --> 04:37:43,460
enrollment charter school on property on the northwest corner of east r.l.

2202
04:37:47,900 --> 04:37:47,900
thornton freeway and ferguson road. Mr. Mayor,
We sent 12 notices to property owners within 400ft of the area of request.

2203
04:37:57,760 --> 04:37:57,760
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

2204
04:38:02,600 --> 04:38:04,920
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item c 12?

2205
04:38:11,400 --> 04:38:15,040
thank you. No speakers, mr. Mayor. Thank you,
Chair west. I think I move to approve the item as recommended by city plan commission,
Subject to the revised traffic management plan dated may 20th,

2206
04:38:24,600 --> 04:38:24,600
2026 that shows removal of right turn restrictions for outbound traffic onto valley glen
Drive.

2207
04:38:32,920 --> 04:38:32,920
is there a second? Thank you. Council member bazaldua five minutes.

2208
04:38:37,800 --> 04:38:37,800
I just want to thank uplift for working with staff and thank thank staff for being
Innovative.

2209
04:38:44,640 --> 04:38:44,640
this is something we've heard a lot of complaints about. And this is exactly what these
Zoning cases afford,

2210
04:38:51,520 --> 04:38:51,520
which is the community to be heard and for us to make changes as needed.

2211
04:38:55,750 --> 04:38:55,750
and I look forward to the next school year being more efficient and smooth around these
Intersections.

2212
04:39:00,950 --> 04:39:00,950
so thank you staff. Any other discussion? Seeing none.

2213
04:39:05,710 --> 04:39:05,710
all in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. Item one is a public hearing to receive
Comments regarding a

2214
04:39:15,510 --> 04:39:15,510
proposal to change the name of fair shop drive between south r.l.

2215
04:39:21,150 --> 04:39:21,150
thornton freeway and village fair. Drive to john beckwith senior drive and an ordinance
Granting the name change.

2216
04:39:28,990 --> 04:39:30,990
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
This item?

2217
04:39:35,430 --> 04:39:35,430
item ph one. I see an individual coming forward.

2218
04:39:45,390 --> 04:39:45,390
if there are any more that would like to speak on this item,
Will you please come forward and have a seat on the first couple of rows in the center

2219
04:39:53,070 --> 04:39:53,070
section?

2220
04:40:03,420 --> 04:40:03,420
please state your name and address for the record and you'll be given three minutes. Good
Evening. I'm mary bonaparte,

2221
04:40:09,620 --> 04:40:09,620
peach lane in desoto, texas. Thank you. Honorable mayor and esteemed

2222
04:40:19,340 --> 04:40:19,340
members of the dallas city council. It is both an honor and a privilege to stand before
You today to recognize and celebrate the life and

2223
04:40:28,940 --> 04:40:28,940
legacy of a man who served the dallas community with dignity,
Compassion, and unwavering grace.

2224
04:40:36,420 --> 04:40:36,420
mr. John beckwith, the senior mr. Beckwith was far more than a mortician,
Funeral director,

2225
04:40:43,860 --> 04:40:43,860
or business owner. He was a true humanitarian.

2226
04:40:48,260 --> 04:40:48,260
he chose dallas, texas, as both his home and the foundation for his entrepreneurial
Journey,

2227
04:40:54,930 --> 04:40:54,930
dedicating his life to serving the people of this city,
Doing some of the most difficult times.

2228
04:41:01,530 --> 04:41:01,530
as a young police officer, beginning my career in dallas during the early 1980s,
I witnessed firsthand the devastating

2229
04:41:11,170 --> 04:41:14,690
violence that plagued many of our neighborhoods. Countless young men from impoverished communities lost their lives to senseless crimes.

2230
04:41:21,010 --> 04:41:21,010
most of the victims families were already struggling to afford basic necessities not to
Include having a proper burial.

2231
04:41:29,810 --> 04:41:32,330
it was during those painful years that I met mr. Beckwith, not by coincidence, but by fate. When funeral homes were overwhelmed by the
Number of victims,

2232
04:41:39,050 --> 04:41:39,050
mr. Beckwith did not turn people away. He rented refrigerated units to preserve the
Dignity of the deceased when space became unlimited

2233
04:41:50,870 --> 04:41:50,870
and when grieving families could not afford burial services,
He provided those services for free of charge,

2234
04:41:57,630 --> 04:41:57,630
at no cost. His sacrifice, his own financial well-being.

2235
04:42:02,670 --> 04:42:02,670
he ensured that others could mourn their loved ones with dignity and respect.

2236
04:42:08,670 --> 04:42:08,670
what kind of man places the needs of grieving families above his own?

2237
04:42:12,870 --> 04:42:12,870
what kind of man gives so selflessly during the darkest moments of another person's life?

2238
04:42:19,110 --> 04:42:19,110
that man was mr. John beckwith, senior. Today,
I respectfully and sincerely ask that the city of dallas approve and honor his

2239
04:42:28,630 --> 04:42:28,630
legacy by permanently replacing the name of fair shop street to john beckwith senior
Street.

2240
04:42:36,110 --> 04:42:36,110
this location is adjacent to golden gate funeral home,
And presently there are no abutting properties that would affect the zoning.

2241
04:42:45,710 --> 04:42:45,710
more importantly, such recognition would will serve as a lasting tribute to his hard work,

2242
04:42:50,900 --> 04:42:50,900
commitment, compassion and his services to the residents of dallas.

2243
04:42:55,340 --> 04:42:55,340
mr. Beckwith was truly a man of honor, compassion and legacy,
A man whose name resounds even after his death in his loving memory.

2244
04:43:04,860 --> 04:43:07,660
I ask that the man, the myth, the legend, mr. John beckwith, seniors that his honor will be preserved.

2245
04:43:10,980 --> 04:43:10,980
thank you, thank you. Next speaker. Hello, my name is bobby nguyen.

2246
04:43:18,820 --> 04:43:18,820
I live in fort worth. I've known the beckwith family since 1989.

2247
04:43:24,180 --> 04:43:24,180
on the supply side and over since 89. Getting to know mr.

2248
04:43:31,300 --> 04:43:31,300
beckwith in the funeral industry. I've been in the funeral industry 43 years.

2249
04:43:38,220 --> 04:43:38,220
I call on funeral directors all over the state of texas and other states.

2250
04:43:42,580 --> 04:43:42,580
and the one word we always used when I talked to other funeral directors across the united
States or even in texas.

2251
04:43:50,290 --> 04:43:50,290
it was the word compassion. And the young lady said it perfect.

2252
04:43:55,170 --> 04:43:55,170
mr. Beckwith always. One thing that always counted more than anything was that family at
The worst time of their life,

2253
04:44:02,810 --> 04:44:02,810
him taking care of them, whether financially,
Their emotions.

2254
04:44:08,770 --> 04:44:08,770
and we never know how important that funeral director is until you've got to have one.

2255
04:44:15,490 --> 04:44:15,490
and I've been honored to have mr. Beckwith wait on me,
My family, because I saw the professionalism and the respect he gave every family that

2256
04:44:25,210 --> 04:44:25,210
came into that funeral home. So it it would make my day to see john beckwith senior's name
On that street sign.

2257
04:44:34,290 --> 04:44:34,290
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Good afternoon,
Attorney ezekiel tyson.

2258
04:44:43,530 --> 04:44:43,530
address is 342 west montana avenue, dallas, texas,
75224.

2259
04:44:49,240 --> 04:44:52,760
it's a pleasure to be here today. I think this is a great motion. For the name change. The backwards and golden gate are just institutional names.

2260
04:44:58,120 --> 04:44:58,120
I moved here in 2004 and their, their name just preceded them and their service to the
Community.

2261
04:45:05,560 --> 04:45:07,960
so I just think it's going to be a great change. I fully support it. I hope you all do as well.

2262
04:45:10,920 --> 04:45:10,920
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker, mr. Mayor and city council.

2263
04:45:17,160 --> 04:45:17,160
my name is fred conwright. I'm a pastor of greater amount hebrew bible church,
Oak cliff,

2264
04:45:23,440 --> 04:45:23,440
texas. I also own a restaurant co-owner, two partners restaurant for 45 years.

2265
04:45:29,200 --> 04:45:29,200
I've known miss the late mr. Beckley since he first came to dallas and started his funeral
Home service.

2266
04:45:35,160 --> 04:45:35,160
he is a man that I've known that have committed to this community and well served.

2267
04:45:39,800 --> 04:45:39,800
and I'm here today standing in on his behalf,
Asking his counsel to careful to consider this name change for him

2268
04:45:50,380 --> 04:45:50,380
because he so well deserved it. So I pray that you all would take this seriously and
Rename this street after him.

2269
04:45:57,780 --> 04:45:57,780
thank you for the time. Thank you. Next speaker.

2270
04:46:06,300 --> 04:46:06,300
my name is pastor denny davis. I live at 1400 highline drive,
Dallas.

2271
04:46:16,140 --> 04:46:16,140
I started pastoring the mount rose baptist church on copeland avenue in the heart of sunny
South dallas in 1984.

2272
04:46:26,100 --> 04:46:26,100
and it was then that I became acquainted with doctor john e beckwith,
Senior and his entire family,

2273
04:46:33,660 --> 04:46:33,660
as they were members of my congregation. I've been blessed to know this family now over 40
Plus years I've witnessed their business

2274
04:46:43,170 --> 04:46:43,170
grow. I've watched it move from waxahachie to dallas and from beckley avenue to cedar
Crest

2275
04:46:53,610 --> 04:46:53,610
to lancaster, and currently residing at 35 highway 35 here in dallas,
As well as

2276
04:47:03,210 --> 04:47:03,210
extending over to fort worth and then to tallulah,
Louisiana.

2277
04:47:09,530 --> 04:47:09,530
I've watched this funeral home grow, and as I think about the life of john beckwith,
Senior,

2278
04:47:16,250 --> 04:47:16,250
I think his commitment to the people in his surrounding areas,
His commitment to the improvement

2279
04:47:26,130 --> 04:47:26,130
of the city. He's well deserving of such an honor such as this,
For his commitment was,

2280
04:47:36,210 --> 04:47:36,210
to the least, the last and the lowest often I.

2281
04:47:40,560 --> 04:47:40,560
I would ask him what inspired him in terms of the business model that he has.

2282
04:47:47,560 --> 04:47:47,560
and he would say to me, pastor, he said, I watched the funeral home take advantage of my
Family when my mother died.

2283
04:47:55,320 --> 04:47:55,320
and I promised god that if he ever blessed me to have a funeral home,
I would make sure that a family is left with something to live off of once their loved

2284
04:48:05,200 --> 04:48:05,200
one has been buried. And that's what inspired the golden gate field,
Home to open up in dallas back in 1984,

2285
04:48:14,040 --> 04:48:14,040
with billboards all over the city declaring the high price of funerals are over,
Advertising a $600 complete funeral package which was

2286
04:48:23,960 --> 04:48:23,960
not just a door knocker, but a true promise and commitment to the city and to the
Community.

2287
04:48:30,720 --> 04:48:30,720
I've watched him take in many young men along the way who had gotten off on the wrong path
In life.

2288
04:48:37,510 --> 04:48:37,510
I've watched them house them in his funeral home,
Give them a job.

2289
04:48:41,870 --> 04:48:41,870
I've watched so many lives turn around and watch so many other funeral homes open up in
The dallas area,

2290
04:48:50,230 --> 04:48:50,230
all because of the commitment of a man like john beckwith,
Senior.

2291
04:48:54,670 --> 04:48:54,670
and now that legacy carries on with his family and with john beckwith jr.

2292
04:49:00,830 --> 04:49:00,830
as ceo. I think we could not honor a more deserving individual who lived in the city and
Lived in the community.

2293
04:49:08,910 --> 04:49:08,910
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Joel miller.

2294
04:49:15,910 --> 04:49:15,910
I live in allen, texas. I'm sure, like many of you,
We were raised to speak the language of honor.

2295
04:49:23,030 --> 04:49:26,470
we didn't know that when we were being taught to say,
Yes, ma'am. And you know. Yes, sir. And thank you. And you're welcome.

2296
04:49:29,590 --> 04:49:33,310
I mean, we just did it because we got smacked in the mouth if we did. But in that process of learning to honor it. Not only did we learn to honor others,
But we learned to honor ourselves.

2297
04:49:40,250 --> 04:49:40,250
but it's quite a different thing when you see a life that is committed to honor.

2298
04:49:46,450 --> 04:49:46,450
and when you think of john beckwith senior, that is a light,
A seed that was in the earth that we got to see up close,

2299
04:49:53,090 --> 04:49:53,090
a man who lived a life of honor. And I, I know this is going to sound a little strange,
But a man who,

2300
04:50:00,210 --> 04:50:00,210
as I see him, who sought to become less. Now when I say not less of a man,
But I even think in terms of jesus who who

2301
04:50:12,090 --> 04:50:12,090
you know, came down from glory and took on human flesh to become less so that he can lift
Others.

2302
04:50:18,650 --> 04:50:18,650
and that's john beckwith senior, a man who strived because it is when a person becomes
Less that we can truly see the value of other people and lift other people.

2303
04:50:28,610 --> 04:50:28,610
and that's what he did. Pastor just spoke to that to that end were even today we,
We, we,

2304
04:50:36,200 --> 04:50:36,200
we have a saying of, of golden gate where service begins and never ends.

2305
04:50:41,280 --> 04:50:41,280
and he who does this, he talks about, well, you know,
He started where we, we will meet our beat any competitor's price now.

2306
04:50:49,280 --> 04:50:49,280
I mean, I, I was thinking about this today. Mercedes is not they're not doing that.

2307
04:50:55,000 --> 04:50:58,320
you know, lexus toyota's not doing that. Kia's not doing that. I mean, this is just and not only, you know,
Pastor just talked about it again where families came in did not have money.

2308
04:51:07,040 --> 04:51:10,160
it's one thing to serve a family and help them out. It's another thing to give them a, a presidential home going,
You know, not just help them,

2309
04:51:15,800 --> 04:51:15,800
but take it to a whole nother level. This was an unusual man.

2310
04:51:19,880 --> 04:51:19,880
and you see the legacy continuing to be lived out right here.

2311
04:51:24,720 --> 04:51:28,320
so it's an honor it, you know, to, to be here. And it is be an incredible honor to see that street renamed in honor of who he was and is.

2312
04:51:36,110 --> 04:51:36,110
thank you so much. Thank you. Next speaker. I am pastor darrell turner,
The pastor of the

2313
04:51:45,670 --> 04:51:45,670
johnson chapel african methodist episcopal church in amarillo,
Texas.

2314
04:51:50,750 --> 04:51:50,750
a resident of dallas for 70 years. I stand to share with this council

2315
04:52:01,670 --> 04:52:01,670
the greatness of mr. John beckworth senior. Many times when people speak of greatness of
Individuals,

2316
04:52:12,590 --> 04:52:12,590
they talk about their accomplishments and I believe that's commendable.

2317
04:52:17,790 --> 04:52:17,790
however, I believe that true greatness is measured by the greatness of those that
Individual touches.

2318
04:52:27,190 --> 04:52:30,140
and when you consider the lives touched by mr. John beckwith, senior, and their contributions to this city and state.

2319
04:52:35,820 --> 04:52:35,820
the wisdom he poured into so many others in honoring him with this name change.

2320
04:52:42,740 --> 04:52:42,740
you shall not only this city, but this state and this country.

2321
04:52:47,780 --> 04:52:47,780
how the city of dallas honors greatness when it has been in its presence.

2322
04:52:53,900 --> 04:52:53,900
thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. Okay. I don't think there are any speakers left.

2323
04:53:02,420 --> 04:53:05,700
mr. Mayor, this concludes your speakers for this item. Thank you. Chair. Johnson, do you have a motion?

2324
04:53:08,260 --> 04:53:08,260
yes. I move to not follow the city plan commission recommendation and instead approve the
Street name change with a waiver of

2325
04:53:18,140 --> 04:53:18,140
section 51, a dash 9.304 a five, which provides that a street name may not contain more
Than 14

2326
04:53:27,640 --> 04:53:27,640
characters. There's a motion and a second. Chair johnson,
Five minutes.

2327
04:53:33,040 --> 04:53:33,040
thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. John beckwith, senior is a legend in our community.

2328
04:53:43,320 --> 04:53:43,320
although he has transitioned to be with the lord,
He is still considered a living legend because his represent his reputation and his

2329
04:53:53,080 --> 04:53:53,080
contribution and all that he has done for the citizens,
Citizens of not just district four,

2330
04:54:00,680 --> 04:54:00,680
but the entire city, city, city of dallas lives on through his generosity,
Through his love and his care.

2331
04:54:10,600 --> 04:54:10,600
golden gate funeral home on that street is the only business there to honor the legacy of
Such a

2332
04:54:20,400 --> 04:54:20,400
giant that have cared for so many families is an honor.

2333
04:54:27,470 --> 04:54:27,470
he buried my oldest boy. He buried so many kids.

2334
04:54:32,790 --> 04:54:32,790
when we didn't know how we was going to bury them at south oak cliff high school.

2335
04:54:36,830 --> 04:54:36,830
my district director, mr. Battey, had to go and sit in the office and talk to this family
To help kids in our community.

2336
04:54:46,950 --> 04:54:46,950
this is what building the community looks like when you're looking at john beckwith senior
And his family.

2337
04:54:54,710 --> 04:54:57,590
they are helping build a community with the community. They are still investing countless of dollars,
Countless of volunteer time.

2338
04:55:04,110 --> 04:55:04,110
anything that can be done to support our city and our community,
They continue to let that

2339
04:55:13,830 --> 04:55:13,830
legacy live on. And so I'm asking my colleagues to support us,
Making sure that we

2340
04:55:23,340 --> 04:55:23,340
continue this legacy by naming this street after a man who has transitioned but lives on
Through so many of

2341
04:55:33,340 --> 04:55:33,340
us. John beckwith senior. Thank you so much. Thank you.

2342
04:55:38,060 --> 04:55:38,060
chair. Gracey five minutes. Thank you. I won't use all of the five minutes because many
Of.

2343
04:55:43,100 --> 04:55:43,100
much of what I would say has already been said,
And I think we all know it in this in this chamber.

2344
04:55:48,980 --> 04:55:51,060
but the point I want to make, this is an honor. I will be supporting this motion. There have been so many people that have come out of our
Communities that often get overlooked or get forgotten,

2345
04:55:59,700 --> 04:55:59,700
in many cases, by the larger masses, but have had such an impact on our community.

2346
04:56:05,540 --> 04:56:09,500
and when we say legend, it's not just legend. You're a pillar. Your family's a pillar in our community.

2347
04:56:13,660 --> 04:56:13,660
and when we talk about the the trauma informed,
All these experiences that that our youth are going through,

2348
04:56:20,100 --> 04:56:20,100
you know, who's been there just about every single time.

2349
04:56:24,370 --> 04:56:27,330
golden gate back with family. They've been there for these families. They've been here. So this is something that's not just honoring your father and your
Family.

2350
04:56:34,410 --> 04:56:34,410
this is honoring the community and so many people that have been impacted by the services
That you provide,

2351
04:56:40,930 --> 04:56:40,930
not just provide, but with such excellence. So I am honored to support this.

2352
04:56:45,290 --> 04:56:48,010
so thank you so much for bringing this forward. Thank you, councilmember blair. Five minutes. I too,
Will not take up five minutes.

2353
04:56:52,570 --> 04:56:52,570
but let me also say this with all these pastors in here on sunday morning,
Can you keep your services in your your sermons down to the same amount of time that you

2354
04:57:01,890 --> 04:57:01,890
did today? Also, those that are sitting at the chamber,
Can you also do the same?

2355
04:57:07,930 --> 04:57:07,930
so but let me also say this. I've known the beckwith family since almost since I moved
Here.

2356
04:57:16,570 --> 04:57:16,570
they have always extended a heart and compassion not only to those that are in need of
Their service,

2357
04:57:26,670 --> 04:57:26,670
but look at all the people here. This is golden gate,
Not this is not all of golden gate.

2358
04:57:32,070 --> 04:57:32,070
you saw them earlier, but this is golden gate in dallas.

2359
04:57:36,910 --> 04:57:36,910
you will see preachers, you will see everybody.

2360
04:57:43,310 --> 04:57:43,310
you'll see retirees if you need it. Also, if you need a job,
Go to golden gate.

2361
04:57:51,110 --> 04:57:51,110
the beckwith family will help you. They will honor you.

2362
04:57:56,270 --> 04:57:56,270
they will treat you with dignity and respect.

2363
04:58:02,110 --> 04:58:02,110
I know, I know several of them and I love a lot of them.

2364
04:58:08,110 --> 04:58:08,110
so I too will be supporting this, this change.

2365
04:58:12,950 --> 04:58:12,950
thank you. Seeing no further discussion, there is a motion and a second,
Madam city secretary.

2366
04:58:20,380 --> 04:58:20,380
this item requires. It requires 12 members voting in favor for passage,
Mr.

2367
04:58:28,540 --> 04:58:28,540
mayor. Okay. All in favor of the motion, say aye.

2368
04:58:33,260 --> 04:58:33,260
any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

2369
04:58:52,220 --> 04:58:52,220
agenda item two is a public hearing to receive comments regarding consideration of
Amendments to sections

2370
04:59:00,460 --> 04:59:00,460
51-4.208, 51-4.20210 and 51, a dash

2371
04:59:09,300 --> 04:59:09,300
4.210. Of the dallas development. The dallas city code to remove commercial wedding chapel
And create regulations for a new

2372
04:59:18,690 --> 04:59:18,690
reception facility, land use and an ordinance granting the amendments.

2373
04:59:23,850 --> 04:59:25,930
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item two?

2374
04:59:33,290 --> 04:59:33,290
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Okay. Do we have a motion?

2375
04:59:38,170 --> 04:59:38,170
mr. Mayor, I move to approve the development code amendment as recommended by city
Planning commission and quality of life, arts and culture committee with the following

2376
04:59:44,890 --> 04:59:44,890
change. General admission fee is allowed for fundraisers or events for political
Campaigns.

2377
04:59:50,890 --> 04:59:50,890
second, I hear a motion and a second. Any discussion?

2378
04:59:55,570 --> 04:59:59,410
seeing no discussion. All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries. And, madam city secretary, let's wait about a minute to have the gallery
Exit and continue.

2379
05:00:06,930 --> 05:00:06,930
thank you, mr. Mayor.

2380
05:01:01,120 --> 05:01:01,120
okay. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will now move to item three.

2381
05:01:05,240 --> 05:01:05,240
item three is a public hearing to receive comments on the fy 2020 627 operating capital
And grant and trust budgets.

2382
05:01:15,390 --> 05:01:15,390
you do have individuals who have signed up to speak on this item.

2383
05:01:19,590 --> 05:01:19,590
your first speaker, sam williams.

2384
05:01:30,190 --> 05:01:30,190
my name is sam williams in district nine. Here to speak on my budget priorities as a
Resident.

2385
05:01:35,390 --> 05:01:35,390
I want to start by addressing a comment made earlier that apartment dwellers should not
Have input to property tax adjustments and city revenue.

2386
05:01:43,230 --> 05:01:43,230
I live solely in apartments, paying rent every month and spending my paychecks with local
Dallas small businesses,

2387
05:01:51,750 --> 05:01:51,750
even as prices rise. If there is a concern with how my contribution reflects in the city's
Bottom line,

2388
05:01:57,110 --> 05:01:57,110
maybe we should look at the property development and management companies to pay their
Fair share.

2389
05:02:02,430 --> 05:02:02,430
parks and recreation seems to be the latest department in cites for drastic reduction in
Budget and services.

2390
05:02:07,950 --> 05:02:07,950
as I understand, 13 to 14 million, which I oppose.

2391
05:02:12,250 --> 05:02:15,530
city residents would also seem to oppose this suggestion. Voters approved a $345 million bond in 2024 to invest in our park system.

2392
05:02:21,930 --> 05:02:21,930
how will service cuts enable the city to staff and support these new investments?

2393
05:02:26,050 --> 05:02:26,050
residents are excited about. Multiple residents today spoke on their concerns regarding
Changes to staffing for the community hub key tennis center.

2394
05:02:34,890 --> 05:02:34,890
speaking of community hubs, the isd daytime programing has also been discussed for a
Reduction in services.

2395
05:02:41,130 --> 05:02:41,130
as someone raised through the d isd system and participated in these programs,
I would have missed out on foundational experiences and more germane to the question.

2396
05:02:49,250 --> 05:02:51,970
my parents would have had less working flexibility. In a time when working families are making difficult decisions,
Removing childcare options will only create more downstream financial constraints.

2397
05:03:01,050 --> 05:03:01,050
I attended the public safety symposium put on by the office of community police oversight
Earlier in may.

2398
05:03:07,170 --> 05:03:07,170
the most successful program with clear procedures and performance metrics,
Appeared to be the med one program,

2399
05:03:13,960 --> 05:03:13,960
which takes a methodical and trust building approach to finding housing and solution
Housing solutions for unhoused neighbors.

2400
05:03:20,680 --> 05:03:20,680
I'm directly comparing this to the homeless outreach team,
A program that was not included within this symposium,

2401
05:03:27,240 --> 05:03:27,240
but as reported by lab report in april, has detained 281 individuals across 61 locations
Over only eight months.

2402
05:03:36,160 --> 05:03:36,160
we are replacing long term trust building opportunities with short term appearances in a
Jarring manner.

2403
05:03:42,600 --> 05:03:42,600
crime, homelessness, food insecurity are questions of safety,
Efficiency and policy choices.

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05:03:48,680 --> 05:03:52,080
the goal is not to react to after crime occurs. Reactivity is a failure. We need proactive measures that solve the systemic issues leading
To crime in the first place.

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05:03:59,760 --> 05:03:59,760
council discussed at length the positive impacts of school programs and how they keep
Students safe.

2406
05:04:05,000 --> 05:04:07,750
and yet these programs are candidates of budget reductions. Citywide education and job skills have a well documented,
Statistically significant inverse relationship with justice system involvement.

2407
05:04:17,430 --> 05:04:17,430
our invocation today mentioned real families and neighborhoods depending on city services
For help.

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05:04:23,990 --> 05:04:23,990
please keep this in mind as you determine your budget priorities for the upcoming cycle.

2409
05:04:28,950 --> 05:04:28,950
thank you. Thank you, brenda gurumoorthy. Hear me?

2410
05:04:35,710 --> 05:04:39,150
yes, we can hear you and we can see you. You may continue. Okay. Thank you. My name is brenda gurumoorthy.

2411
05:04:42,310 --> 05:04:42,310
I'm a co-chair of the local democratic socialists of america chapter,
And I'm a district one resident.

2412
05:04:47,270 --> 05:04:47,270
I'm calling in to ask for a city of dallas budget that funds human flourishing above all
Else.

2413
05:04:52,430 --> 05:04:52,430
that means protecting funding for parks and libraries programs,
Assisting our unhoused neighbors,

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05:04:57,350 --> 05:04:57,350
and pedestrian and cyclist safety infrastructure,
Such as bike lanes, which exist in parts of oak cliff and in other parts of the city but

2415
05:05:03,990 --> 05:05:03,990
are still missing in many places. These are all relatively inexpensive.

2416
05:05:08,340 --> 05:05:12,100
when we talk about concerns that dallas residents express about their cities. Aside from infrastructure, one big concern is public safety.

2417
05:05:15,460 --> 05:05:15,460
and I understand many people associate that with funding the police department,
But it also means maintaining and building streets that are not deathtraps.

2418
05:05:23,780 --> 05:05:23,780
it means giving our kids safe places to go and productive things to do after school in
Lieu of doom scrolling on their phones or getting into trouble.

2419
05:05:30,940 --> 05:05:30,940
and it means solving the root causes of homelessness rather than just trying to hide those
People from public view. We need to invest in all of those things.

2420
05:05:38,780 --> 05:05:38,780
my worry is that the city thinks throwing a boatload of money at the police department is
The only solution to keeping dallasites safe,

2421
05:05:45,900 --> 05:05:45,900
when in fact, the police budget does cut into funding for other things that we need in our
City.

2422
05:05:50,620 --> 05:05:50,620
we are currently hamstrung by the state's limits on increasing tax revenue,
As well as prop u,

2423
05:05:56,180 --> 05:05:56,180
which was pushed by right wing billionaires and requires the city to put half of all
Excess revenue towards the police department.

2424
05:06:02,180 --> 05:06:02,180
I hope members of this council put a proposition to repeal that amendment on the ballot
Next year.

2425
05:06:07,320 --> 05:06:07,320
aside from that, the city manager reported that a major reason for our financial troubles
Is police overtime and pay.

2426
05:06:12,960 --> 05:06:16,560
though the city only cut back on non-uniform overtime in response. To top it off, I'm concerned about investments in surveillance technology like flock
Cameras that encroach on our civil rights. We need more transparency on what is

2427
05:06:23,800 --> 05:06:23,800
contractually obligated to the police union and what can actually be cut down,
But I refuse to believe that nothing can be trimmed there.

2428
05:06:31,080 --> 05:06:31,080
if the council does not examine the police budget when public safety is around 60% of the
General fund,

2429
05:06:36,000 --> 05:06:36,000
if not more, and simply tries to nickel and dime other departments like our parks and our
Libraries instead,

2430
05:06:41,760 --> 05:06:41,760
we're not actually making a serious effort to fix the issue with the budget in the first
Place,

2431
05:06:45,800 --> 05:06:48,600
and we're chipping away at public safety and our quality of life. Thank you. Thank you. Angelica. Portilla.

2432
05:07:02,070 --> 05:07:04,310
good afternoon. My name is angelica portillo. I'm here representing dallas after school. Dallas after school is a nonprofit organization
That supports 40 out of school time partners in over 200 after school program sites across

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05:07:14,310 --> 05:07:14,310
dallas to increase the availability of quality and quality and availability of free and
Low cost after school and summer programs.

2434
05:07:21,470 --> 05:07:21,470
I am here not only representing dallas after school,
But a growing coalition of over 100 organizations and community members that have all

2435
05:07:28,430 --> 05:07:28,430
signed on to ask council one thing do not eliminate funding for city of dallas parks and
Recreation after school and summer programs.

2436
05:07:35,550 --> 05:07:35,550
the city of dallas is one of the largest providers of free and low cost after high quality
After school and summer programs across the city.

2437
05:07:42,590 --> 05:07:42,590
over 2000 children and families across every council district depend on these programs
And.

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05:07:47,790 --> 05:07:51,710
last year, dallas after school certified nine after school. City of dallas after school programs for achieving high quality programing. That means
They master ten elements of what it takes to be a high quality program,

2439
05:07:58,790 --> 05:08:01,820
and they passed their safety assessments at 100%. This is a system that works because the city has invested in these programs and the staff
That run these programs.

2440
05:08:07,780 --> 05:08:07,780
the demand in dallas currently exceeds what's available in dallas.

2441
05:08:14,060 --> 05:08:17,220
for every child enrolled, three are waiting for a spot. These children come from families who cannot provide,
Cannot, cannot afford private alternatives.

2442
05:08:24,580 --> 05:08:24,580
they're ranging from $400 to $1200 a month. When city funded seats disappear,
Those families do not find another option.

2443
05:08:32,060 --> 05:08:32,060
they lose one dallas after school. Working with providers,
We asked them, if these programs go away,

2444
05:08:37,700 --> 05:08:39,860
do you have the capacity to take on these students? There was an overwhelming no after school and summer programs in the city of dallas that
Are community based do not have the capacity to take on more students.

2445
05:08:47,260 --> 05:08:47,260
they lack funding, they lack staffing. And so so there's that piece in a study
Commissioned by dallas after school,

2446
05:08:55,460 --> 05:08:55,460
smu center for research and evaluation found that students in after school and summer
Programs performed better in math,

2447
05:09:00,850 --> 05:09:04,170
reading and in significantly attend school more. These programs keep children safe. They help working families,
And they give enrichment in neighborhoods that don't have another alternative.

2448
05:09:11,250 --> 05:09:11,250
cutting this funding does not just harm children. Today,
It dismantles an already fragile system that's taken years to strengthen,

2449
05:09:17,850 --> 05:09:21,090
and if it goes away, will take far longer to rebuild. We understand you're facing tough budget challenges,
But we're asking you to protect funding for after school and summer programs in this

2450
05:09:27,690 --> 05:09:27,690
upcoming budget. Thank you. Thank you. Elena ulmer.

2451
05:09:42,450 --> 05:09:42,450
good afternoon. Thank you for taking the time to hear from the people of dallas.

2452
05:09:46,610 --> 05:09:46,610
my name is elena and I'm currently a resident of district 12,
But I'm actually moving into district 6 in 2 days.

2453
05:09:54,250 --> 05:09:58,110
I am also a member of the democratic socialists of america. I am here today to speak on a ph three. The proposed budget cuts to the dallas parks and
Recreation department.

2454
05:10:05,630 --> 05:10:05,630
if implemented, these cuts would include, but are not limited to,
A 33% reduction in mowing services and in the services of six different

2455
05:10:15,150 --> 05:10:15,150
aquatic centers across different locations, up to a 50% reduction in litter pickup and
Complete closures of four different community centers

2456
05:10:25,150 --> 05:10:25,150
across the city. These cuts are proposed to make up for a budget deficient deficiencies.

2457
05:10:32,190 --> 05:10:32,190
proponents will claim that the parks and rec department has already received its due share
With the investment in halperin park,

2458
05:10:38,390 --> 05:10:38,390
but this couldn't be further from the truth. Halperin is just one step in a long march of
Revitalizing the long neglected communities of dallas and making this city

2459
05:10:48,110 --> 05:10:48,110
truly something to be proud of. So I would ask you to please picture in your mind a
Vibrant and thriving community.

2460
05:10:55,340 --> 05:10:55,340
what do you see? Is it empty lots and dilapidated abandoned buildings?

2461
05:11:00,700 --> 05:11:04,060
is it overgrown fields fenced off from public access? Or is it a park flourishing with trees that provide shade for families where there are
Farmers markets and culture festivals being held that celebrate dallas melting pot of

2462
05:11:13,340 --> 05:11:13,340
communities and small businesses? Is it community centers providing classes to educate,
Cultivate and motivate people to become contributing members of society?

2463
05:11:23,300 --> 05:11:23,300
we can't make those visions a reality when you defund those very tools the community
Centers,

2464
05:11:29,380 --> 05:11:29,380
the daytime programing, the swimming pools by taking away the public third spaces for
People to gather in and create and cultivate their community.

2465
05:11:38,580 --> 05:11:38,580
you signal that they no longer matter, that their government has decided their very own
Tax dollars are best spent elsewhere than investing their money back into the people

2466
05:11:47,900 --> 05:11:47,900
themselves. The communities become less vibrant and eventually,
Without these vital services,

2467
05:11:53,810 --> 05:11:53,810
less safe. Is this the message that the council wishes to send to the people of dallas?

2468
05:11:59,170 --> 05:12:02,050
I urge you to reconsider this budget cut proposal. Please do not sacrifice the soul of the city for a line item.

2469
05:12:05,530 --> 05:12:05,530
thank you. Thank you. Robert hobson. I didn't realize it's going to be immortalized on
Film with the bradley family.

2470
05:12:15,010 --> 05:12:15,010
want to sit down there? But I'm proud to be a member of that family now.

2471
05:12:21,170 --> 05:12:21,170
so I've been a dallas member dallas citizens in 1979.

2472
05:12:26,090 --> 05:12:26,090
in the early 90s, I went south on cape horn and became familiar with the floodplains.

2473
05:12:33,690 --> 05:12:33,690
and it's been my life ever since. Floodplains,
Hundred year flood plains.

2474
05:12:38,410 --> 05:12:38,410
we got floods once every 30, 4000 years. These floods last 3 or 4 days out of those 100
Years,

2475
05:12:45,090 --> 05:12:45,090
100, those 100 years that we're looking at, how can we build houses that will survive
Floodplains.

2476
05:12:51,560 --> 05:12:55,000
so we can use those floodplains for good living. The rest of that time, safe living. So I kind of dedicated myself to that whole thing,
And I came up with all sorts of barriers.

2477
05:13:02,880 --> 05:13:02,880
the federal government only requires two things on floodplain. If you live in build a
House,

2478
05:13:06,960 --> 05:13:06,960
you got to be anchored. The building has got to be anchored so it won't float and it's got
To be above the base flood elevation.

2479
05:13:13,320 --> 05:13:13,320
those are the only two. So you would think if you build a house that would float,
It'd be enough.

2480
05:13:18,440 --> 05:13:22,440
well, no, fema won't allow that because their engineering requirements. So first of all, built, designed and started painting a house that floated wasn't enough.

2481
05:13:27,960 --> 05:13:27,960
so I built a house and designed a house. It's called the amphibious,
The anchored amphibious,

2482
05:13:33,520 --> 05:13:33,520
elevated, buoyant, waterproof multi-hazard smart building module,
Which is a long title, but it

2483
05:13:43,320 --> 05:13:43,320
grew from beginning to end because I learned more and I wanted to face the climate warming
Issues that were all the countries facing nowadays,

2484
05:13:53,220 --> 05:13:53,220
hurricanes and things like that, because hurricanes are our biggest disaster for for our
Federal government.

2485
05:13:59,220 --> 05:13:59,220
our insurance program cost us about $17 billion a year.

2486
05:14:03,820 --> 05:14:03,820
and it goes directly into our national debt. And we we end up paying for it.

2487
05:14:09,260 --> 05:14:09,260
so as I as I proceeded, I figured that out and how to do it in floodplains.

2488
05:14:14,340 --> 05:14:14,340
I moved over across the street over there into the dallas horse park,
Which has the same similar problems.

2489
05:14:20,820 --> 05:14:20,820
here's a failed multibillion dollar project that the city had.

2490
05:14:25,420 --> 05:14:25,420
what can we do with it? Well, I decided that you could build a high end rv resort there.

2491
05:14:31,940 --> 05:14:31,940
you could put the same amphibious buildings on it that a a rv park would require that you
Could build a,

2492
05:14:39,020 --> 05:14:39,020
a, I built a clubhouse on the lake. There's a beautiful lake in the clubhouse there,
And you could use a horse park facilities,

2493
05:14:47,130 --> 05:14:47,130
the horse park facilities. Probably nobody knows much about this,
But there's a horse track at the at the park there,

2494
05:14:54,690 --> 05:14:54,690
and that's been unused forever. But a community horse park would grow into that whole
Thing.

2495
05:15:00,210 --> 05:15:00,210
and as I finished that, I moved upstream. I said,
What can we do about this dry riverbed that we call a river over here,

2496
05:15:07,930 --> 05:15:07,930
the trinity river, a joke of a river. There's a creek most of the time,
But when it floods,

2497
05:15:12,410 --> 05:15:12,410
it floods. So I spent my mind and I came up with a solution.

2498
05:15:16,850 --> 05:15:18,970
it's called the smart dam and telemetry system. That's your time anyway. Thank you. As cuba gooding said,
Thank you, sir.

2499
05:15:28,770 --> 05:15:28,770
jerry maguire, show me the money. This is where the money is to pay for our budget.

2500
05:15:34,290 --> 05:15:34,290
ryan guthrie. Hi, my name is ryan guthrie. I am a resident in district 11.

2501
05:15:44,440 --> 05:15:44,440
I would like to encourage the city council to protect and invest in parks and recreation
Library and infrastructure funding.

2502
05:15:52,720 --> 05:15:52,720
when considering the the upcoming budget as someone who personally uses the libraries and
Parks quite a lot and wants to

2503
05:16:02,600 --> 05:16:02,600
use dart more especially as costs in our community continue to rise,
It's important to me and many other people that there are entertainment and recreational

2504
05:16:11,520 --> 05:16:11,520
spaces, programs and resources available through the city.

2505
05:16:15,760 --> 05:16:15,760
they enhance the value and quality of life president in our communities. It has been
Mentioned that public safety receives a significant portion of the yearly budget,

2506
05:16:23,440 --> 05:16:23,440
while departments like parks and rec and libraries must make cuts.

2507
05:16:27,680 --> 05:16:27,680
I want the city I live in to be a safe one, but I also want to live in a city where
Culture,

2508
05:16:31,760 --> 05:16:35,640
art and entertainment are valued and supported by the city itself. There are many important aspects to consider when running a city,
But the value that citizens and the city as a whole gain from having access to these

2509
05:16:42,510 --> 05:16:45,750
spaces and services should not be overlooked. Continuing to fund and invest in these programs and services is an investment in the
Future of our community.

2510
05:16:51,550 --> 05:16:51,550
thank you. Thank you. Alex. Scott. Alex scott is not present.

2511
05:17:01,950 --> 05:17:01,950
jedediah ulrich. Can I be seen at all or do you all need to

2512
05:17:11,870 --> 05:17:15,670
see me? Can you hear me? We can hear you. However,
Your video is not displaying. We cannot see you. Oh. That's weird. It won't let me.

2513
05:17:19,470 --> 05:17:19,470
it says I'm unverified. Well, I can come back to you.

2514
05:17:24,310 --> 05:17:24,310
is there any way I'd rather you're not allowed to address the city council unless your
Video is displaying.

2515
05:17:29,070 --> 05:17:32,030
actually, that's the problem. There we go. Okay,
Perfect. Sorry about that. All right. Hello? Yes. Jed ulrich,
District one.

2516
05:17:39,430 --> 05:17:39,430
and I just want to say that I know that there's quite a bit of a budget issue right now,
And it's very frustrating.

2517
05:17:48,130 --> 05:17:48,130
there's a lot of low hanging fruit and a lot of out of city corporate interests that are
Very intrigued about the current location of city hall and

2518
05:17:58,050 --> 05:17:58,050
whatever they can do to uproot that and exploit our downtown urban core.

2519
05:18:02,570 --> 05:18:02,570
I know it's a lot of money to really get out of that and it seems very tempting.

2520
05:18:06,810 --> 05:18:09,770
but I think it's a definite blow to taxpayer dollars. If you were to say, rent a or a space out of some high rise there in downtown,
So, but back to taxpayer dollars and best ways to allocate that.

2521
05:18:19,650 --> 05:18:19,650
there's a lot of money going to the dpd. I know there's another,
A lot more other outside interests that are adamant about you all meeting a quota.

2522
05:18:28,050 --> 05:18:28,050
very frustrating, infuriating because they have no idea,
Let alone to walk the streets of dallas and what that is like.

2523
05:18:34,890 --> 05:18:34,890
I am I run quite a bit and walk around lake cliff park,
And I find it comforting that I greet my neighbors and they waved at me from their

2524
05:18:44,040 --> 05:18:44,040
doorsteps. And I think funding parks and rec and libraries are much more adequate way to
Improve public safety.

2525
05:18:51,840 --> 05:18:51,840
instead of meeting a quota and strapping a gun to everyone's hip. On that note,
The, the flock and the camera surveillance systems is very

2526
05:19:01,760 --> 05:19:01,760
troubling. And to hear, especially right now when racial profiling is now legal courtesy
Of our esteemed supreme court it makes people afraid.

2527
05:19:11,480 --> 05:19:11,480
you want people to be able to leave their homes and greet one another,
And they're not going to feel safe when you're just meeting quotas quickly.

2528
05:19:19,560 --> 05:19:19,560
a fear of a lawsuit. So I want my taxpayer dollars to cultivate a sense of identity and
Culture as opposed to demolishing city landmarks or painting over

2529
05:19:29,120 --> 05:19:29,120
murals. I want to see more greenery where children and families can come out and greet one
Another to create a sense of identity as opposed to outside

2530
05:19:38,790 --> 05:19:38,790
corporate interests to sterilize our city, as we see currently with a lot of entities.

2531
05:19:44,150 --> 05:19:44,150
and they were quick to defund you and create these quotas and police and this over
Militarization of our streets.

2532
05:19:53,270 --> 05:19:53,270
that is not the answer. Children deserve to have a sense of culture.

2533
05:19:57,590 --> 05:19:57,590
our neighbors deserve to have a sense of culture and self and identity and to simply,
Like I said,

2534
05:20:03,430 --> 05:20:03,430
strap a gun to every hip that walks in and to put a camera on every corner is not going to
Make us feel safe.

2535
05:20:10,030 --> 05:20:10,030
and it also, for that matter, go towards affordable housing moving forward,
But do not defund our parks,

2536
05:20:16,350 --> 05:20:16,350
do not defund our libraries. They are resources where the unhoused can find jobs that they
Can work towards and connect with their family and friends.

2537
05:20:25,270 --> 05:20:25,270
and you cannot simply sweep them under a rug,
Do more to invest in our communities instead of militarizing them and being beholden to

2538
05:20:32,590 --> 05:20:32,590
out of city corporate interests, excluding a certain city within our own limits that build
Their walls even higher.

2539
05:20:38,460 --> 05:20:38,460
thank you so much. Thank you. John putnam.

2540
05:20:50,100 --> 05:20:53,980
hi. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Awesome. I'm john putnam, a resident of district ten,
And I'm concerned about budget cuts to our parks department and the direction of our city

2541
05:20:59,700 --> 05:20:59,700
budget as a whole. I grew up going to daycare at first presbyterian in downtown,
So some of my earliest memories were walking to the dallas public library to have stories

2542
05:21:08,180 --> 05:21:08,180
read. I'd also go to tietze park with my the tietze park with my dad,
And we worked on the instruments.

2543
05:21:14,820 --> 05:21:14,820
programs like libraries and pools are beloved services that make dallas a safe and fun
Place to live.

2544
05:21:20,220 --> 05:21:20,220
so of course, it bothers me that when the city needed to make budget cuts the first place.

2545
05:21:26,580 --> 05:21:26,580
and then when the people spoke out to save our libraries,
It's now asking the parks department to me when the budget gets tight,

2546
05:21:34,120 --> 05:21:34,120
does dallas continue to beloved programs like libraries and tools that make our
Neighborhoods safer,

2547
05:21:40,360 --> 05:21:40,360
prettier, and stronger? First, I'm dissatisfied with the continual need after our public
Services to save a buck for corporate development in a dystopian police surveillance

2548
05:21:49,520 --> 05:21:53,480
state. Two things make this more intimidating. The first is that when I saw bachman, the bachman recreation pool,
Which sits in a historically brown neighborhood on the chopping block for hours,

2549
05:22:03,560 --> 05:22:03,560
I went to check if my neighborhood pool at the lake highlands north rec center,
Which is in a wider and more middle class part of town,

2550
05:22:09,440 --> 05:22:09,440
was already operating at four days a week. No,
It's operating at six days a week and its hours on the chopping block.

2551
05:22:15,560 --> 05:22:15,560
that's a huge slap in the face, especially since bachman lake is already one of the
Hardest hit by ice terror in the country.

2552
05:22:21,720 --> 05:22:21,720
now you want to cut their pool hours down without providing a single vote on a resolution
To protect the community from ice terror.

2553
05:22:27,720 --> 05:22:27,720
that's the second thing is that the city is proposing cuts to beloved programs like
Libraries,

2554
05:22:33,470 --> 05:22:33,470
parks and pools, but continues to use dystopian block automated license plate reader alpr
Technology to surveil residents throughout dallas.

2555
05:22:42,190 --> 05:22:42,190
ice uses our flock cameras to target city residents,
And a dpd officer admitted as much that the cbp at a public hearing in december.

2556
05:22:50,350 --> 05:22:50,350
the 3.9 million of funding for flock is nearly one third of the 13 million.

2557
05:22:54,710 --> 05:22:54,710
you're asking the parks department to cut nearly 100% of the total 2.59 million library
Programing budget.

2558
05:23:03,550 --> 05:23:03,550
let me repeat that we spend more money surveilling our residents than we do on library
Programs.

2559
05:23:10,310 --> 05:23:13,910
that is unacceptable. I'm here today with a simple ask. Invest in your residents through libraries, parks,
And pools, not in dystopian technology.

2560
05:23:19,590 --> 05:23:22,430
dallas should be safe, friendly, and affordable for all. Not a dystopian police surveillance city. Thank you for your time.

2561
05:23:27,070 --> 05:23:30,100
thank you. Those are your registered speakers. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
This item?

2562
05:23:34,940 --> 05:23:34,940
item three you may come forward. Please state your name and address for the record

2563
05:23:44,900 --> 05:23:44,900
and you may begin. Hello, I'm denise mcgovern,
I live at.

2564
05:23:51,140 --> 05:23:51,140
is it nana? There we go. Apologies. My name is denise mcgovern.

2565
05:23:55,500 --> 05:23:55,500
I am a resident of seven three, four, seven la bolsa drive in dallas.

2566
05:24:00,180 --> 05:24:00,180
I'm a resident of district 11. I thank you all very much for your time and being able to
Address you.

2567
05:24:06,380 --> 05:24:08,980
I stand as a representative of the libraries. I am the executive director of the friends of the dallas public library.

2568
05:24:12,620 --> 05:24:12,620
I've had the honor and privilege of speaking to many of you individually,
And I thank you all so much for your time during this very difficult budget season and

2569
05:24:21,180 --> 05:24:24,580
looking for what our libraries can do for us here in the city. I know as the budget is getting closer to being finished,
And you're looking at difficult choices that every choice means something.

2570
05:24:31,930 --> 05:24:31,930
and a choice for the library means a choice towards public safety,
Investment and community workforce development and economic development.

2571
05:24:40,650 --> 05:24:40,650
so the library has taken the brunt of a lot of budget cuts through the years.

2572
05:24:44,770 --> 05:24:44,770
and if you look at the history of the library's budget,
You will see that it has stayed flat regardless of where things are.

2573
05:24:51,850 --> 05:24:51,850
a lot of the other line items in the general fund have moved up,
If only slightly.

2574
05:24:57,490 --> 05:24:57,490
the library has moved down. So through. In this budget process,
We ask that you keep the budget of the library flat,

2575
05:25:04,970 --> 05:25:04,970
restore the $2.6 million that is asked to be cut next year.

2576
05:25:09,530 --> 05:25:09,530
keep it flat for the next year and let our libraries do what they're supposed to do.

2577
05:25:14,170 --> 05:25:14,170
they're here to help enrich the quality of life of our residents,
To help them learn, to help them find jobs,

2578
05:25:20,530 --> 05:25:20,530
to bring safety and community all through the system.

2579
05:25:24,650 --> 05:25:24,650
so again, I thank you very much for all your time,
For all the time you've spent outside of council and working with your constituents on

2580
05:25:31,280 --> 05:25:31,280
this. I hope that you will visit your branch library,
And I thank you very much for your consideration as you all go through this season.

2581
05:25:37,920 --> 05:25:37,920
thank you. Thank you. There are no further speakers on this item,
Madam mayor.

2582
05:25:43,080 --> 05:25:43,080
all right. Do we have a motion? Yes. I move to close the public hearing.

2583
05:25:47,400 --> 05:25:50,800
second. All right. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Thank you. We'll move to.

2584
05:25:59,400 --> 05:25:59,400
item ff four. Is a public hearing to receive comments on proposed amendment of the project
Plan and

2585
05:26:09,360 --> 05:26:09,360
reinvestment zone financing plan. Plan for tax increment reinvestment zone number 18,
The maple mockingbird tax increment financing

2586
05:26:19,080 --> 05:26:19,080
district zone to one. Increase the geographic area of the zone by approximately 9.3 acres.

2587
05:26:27,380 --> 05:26:27,380
to add the property currently addressed as 1545 west mockingbird lane two,
Making corresponding modification to the zone's

2588
05:26:37,180 --> 05:26:37,180
boundary and plan, and three include findings that a vacant and underutilized property in
The proposed

2589
05:26:46,940 --> 05:26:46,940
expansion area substantially arrest or impairs the sound growth of the city.

2590
05:26:53,220 --> 05:26:53,220
b development or redevelopment in the proposed expansion area will likely not occur solely
Through private investment in the foreseeable future,

2591
05:27:03,460 --> 05:27:03,460
and c inclusion of the proposed expansion area will have an overall benefit to and further
The purposes of the zone and at the close of the public

2592
05:27:13,460 --> 05:27:13,460
hearing, consider an ordinance amending ordinance number 27435 previously approved on
December 10th,

2593
05:27:19,980 --> 05:27:19,980
2008, as amended, and ordinance number 27690 previously approved on september 23rd,
2009 to reflect these

2594
05:27:29,690 --> 05:27:33,290
amendments. There are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item four?

2595
05:27:39,690 --> 05:27:39,690
no speakers, madam mayor. All right. Do we have a motion?

2596
05:27:45,730 --> 05:27:45,730
second. All right. Any discussion? All right.

2597
05:27:52,410 --> 05:27:52,410
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? All right.

2598
05:27:57,130 --> 05:27:57,130
noted, madam mayor. Thank you. One second.

2599
05:28:15,850 --> 05:28:15,850
thank you. We will move to your next public hearing item,
Ff ph five.

2600
05:28:21,520 --> 05:28:21,520
ph five is a public hearing to receive comments concerning the proposed creation of the
Halperin park public improvement district district or

2601
05:28:29,480 --> 05:28:29,480
hhpp in accordance with chapter three seven,
Two of the texas local government code public improvement act,

2602
05:28:37,960 --> 05:28:37,960
district act, or act for the specified area of the district to provide supplemental public
Services to be funded by assessments on real property and

2603
05:28:47,880 --> 05:28:47,880
real property improvements in the district and at the close of the public hearing.

2604
05:28:52,160 --> 05:28:52,160
authorize one approval of resolution creating the district for a period of ten years from
2027 to 2036.

2605
05:29:01,200 --> 05:29:01,200
two approval of the district service plan for the 2027 2036 to provide supplemental public
Services to be funded by

2606
05:29:10,920 --> 05:29:10,920
assessments on real property and real property improvements in the district,
And three approval of a management contract with southern gateway public green foundation,

2607
05:29:20,950 --> 05:29:20,950
a texas nonprofit corporation, as the management entity for the district.

2608
05:29:26,270 --> 05:29:26,270
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item and hagan.

2609
05:29:34,270 --> 05:29:34,270
and hi, I'm just here on behalf of halperin park and in the event there are any questions.

2610
05:29:40,870 --> 05:29:40,870
thank you. Those are your that's your registered speakers.

2611
05:29:45,710 --> 05:29:45,710
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item five?

2612
05:29:51,550 --> 05:29:51,550
okay. I see an individual. You may come forward.

2613
05:30:09,630 --> 05:30:09,630
please state your name and address for the record and you may begin.

2614
05:30:14,910 --> 05:30:14,910
good afternoon. There's a button at the base of that microphone.

2615
05:30:20,370 --> 05:30:20,370
is it on now? Okay. Good afternoon. My name is tim bonner and my address is 737 south r.l.

2616
05:30:28,050 --> 05:30:28,050
thornton freeway. And we're right on the service road just south and west of halpern park.

2617
05:30:36,530 --> 05:30:36,530
and I simply I'm a I'm a property owner in that district map that was drawn out.

2618
05:30:42,130 --> 05:30:42,130
and I just don't understand what implications it has for our property.

2619
05:30:49,930 --> 05:30:49,930
and I wanted to. If someone could explain to me a little better what this special zoning
District is going to mean in terms of services

2620
05:30:59,690 --> 05:30:59,690
or increased taxes, or however it might affect us,
The council here is just to listen to your comments.

2621
05:31:08,730 --> 05:31:12,450
I'm sorry, the council is only here to listen to your comments. Oh well, I guess my comments are that I want to know how it affects us because I don't I
Don't understand,

2622
05:31:19,720 --> 05:31:19,720
we got this letter in the mail that showed a map outlining a rather large area surrounding
Halperin park,

2623
05:31:28,400 --> 05:31:28,400
and I just don't understand how it will affect us.

2624
05:31:33,560 --> 05:31:33,560
I don't know who's supposed to explain that to us,
How the citizens in the area are to learn and understand what it means to us,

2625
05:31:42,760 --> 05:31:42,760
but it sounds like a tax increase of some sort.

2626
05:31:49,160 --> 05:31:49,160
you can finish your comments. I think I'm I think that's I think that's the end of my
Comment.

2627
05:31:54,720 --> 05:31:54,720
thank you so much. Okay. Thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that
Would like to address city council on item

2628
05:32:04,520 --> 05:32:04,520
ff five? There are no further speakers for this item,
Madam mayor.

2629
05:32:11,600 --> 05:32:11,600
all thank you miss. Move to approve. All right.

2630
05:32:19,750 --> 05:32:19,750
this. I just want to be sure that this gentleman is we're getting contact with him.

2631
05:32:24,870 --> 05:32:27,430
okay. All right. Any discussion? Yes. Thank you. Mayor. So I believe mr. Spath is going to talk with the gentleman.

2632
05:32:32,150 --> 05:32:32,150
if we have, sir, we have somebody come in to speak with you if you'll just hang out for a
Few minutes from the office of economic development.

2633
05:32:40,070 --> 05:32:40,070
so as most of you have been aware this this public improvement district has been coming
For a while now with today's approval vote.

2634
05:32:48,110 --> 05:32:48,110
halperin park pit will become the city's 16th pit and the first neighborhood pit to be
Established in city council district one,

2635
05:32:55,590 --> 05:32:59,270
and I believe, district four two. I don't know if there's another one over there. Property owners representing 54.5% of the appraised value and 53% of the land area of
Taxable real property in the district signed petitions in support

2636
05:33:09,230 --> 05:33:09,230
of the creation of halperin park pit, thereby extending the minimum petition threshold
Requirements in the city's pet policy and the state law governing pits.

2637
05:33:18,140 --> 05:33:18,140
halperin park pit will be managed by the southern gateway public green foundation and will
Provide a dedicated funding stream for 24 over seven supplemental security patrol

2638
05:33:27,620 --> 05:33:31,380
services within the new park and around the park borders. And we hope that that will expand into into all kinds of other things for,
For the area around the park in the future.

2639
05:33:38,860 --> 05:33:38,860
thank you. Thank you, chair johnson. Thank you mayor.

2640
05:33:48,180 --> 05:33:48,180
I guess administration mrs, who do we need to speak with?

2641
05:34:01,580 --> 05:34:01,580
yes. Kevin spath, director, office of economic development.

2642
05:34:09,640 --> 05:34:09,640
hey, mister. Did did we do our due diligence to make sure that the community is aware of
What's going on?

2643
05:34:17,440 --> 05:34:17,440
the gentleman came. Mr. Bonner, who? His name precedes him.

2644
05:34:23,160 --> 05:34:23,160
did we did we reach out to them, to the business owners in,
In that community that that question should be directed to the petitioner,

2645
05:34:31,160 --> 05:34:34,640
which is southern gateway. Okay. Foundation. Yeah. They are the applicant and they circulated the petition to all the property owners in the,

2646
05:34:40,360 --> 05:34:40,360
in the area. Do we have a representative? I think miss hagan is on.

2647
05:34:45,560 --> 05:34:45,560
she's waiving. Miss hagan, do you want to take that question?

2648
05:34:50,440 --> 05:34:50,440
sure. Happy to. Yes. We did provide written notice to all of the property owners in the
Pit area.

2649
05:34:58,240 --> 05:35:00,680
when you say you provide a notice, did you have a meeting? Did you have a discussion? Did you invite them to come in and get a full understanding of
What's going on?

2650
05:35:05,400 --> 05:35:05,400
or did we just send letters out saying this is happening? No,
We sent a letter out saying,

2651
05:35:10,150 --> 05:35:10,150
you know, describing the process and then held a public meeting.

2652
05:35:14,750 --> 05:35:14,750
mr. Mayor, may I call the speaker back down,
Sir?

2653
05:35:20,870 --> 05:35:20,870
go ahead, mr. Bonner.

2654
05:35:34,030 --> 05:35:34,030
as you heard there, they're saying that representative from southern gateway said that
They have sent information out to give you guys an opportunity to come.

2655
05:35:43,630 --> 05:35:43,630
did you get a letter about a meeting that was happening?

2656
05:35:49,590 --> 05:35:49,590
we got a letter in the mail that was one page,
Both sides.

2657
05:35:54,550 --> 05:35:54,550
it had a large map on the back, on the back. And then we got a phone call stating that the
That

2658
05:36:04,380 --> 05:36:04,380
there would be some taxation on the property owners in the area.

2659
05:36:09,060 --> 05:36:09,060
and I didn't understand that. And that's the only contact we had.

2660
05:36:13,820 --> 05:36:13,820
so no one invited you to a meeting? No, sir. Miss ann,
Could you clarify that, please?

2661
05:36:19,740 --> 05:36:19,740
well, I believe that the notice he's referring to did have notice of a meeting.

2662
05:36:25,020 --> 05:36:25,020
that that was the notice that we sent out. It included a map as well.

2663
05:36:30,500 --> 05:36:33,420
you know, I am happy to, to meet with mr. Bonner. I actually just emailed kevin smith to please feel free to share my contact info.

2664
05:36:40,820 --> 05:36:40,820
and actually, the next step in this process is another public meeting that we'll be
Sending out a notice for soon.

2665
05:36:47,580 --> 05:36:47,580
so, but I can if I can get we just have mailing addresses,
But if I can get mr.

2666
05:36:52,260 --> 05:36:52,260
bonner's contact info, I can make sure to get that to him in other ways as well.

2667
05:36:57,780 --> 05:36:57,780
so you're saying that the letter that he is explaining also had the information where the
Meeting would take place.

2668
05:37:05,810 --> 05:37:05,810
time and date, it would be held. Yes. Okay. There's.

2669
05:37:10,490 --> 05:37:10,490
do we have a copy of that letter here? Mrs. I know,
I don't know if you will have it.

2670
05:37:18,450 --> 05:37:18,450
oh, can I make a. Maria smith, assistant director,
Office of economic development.

2671
05:37:23,130 --> 05:37:23,130
can I make a quick clarification? Sure. So our public improvement district policy requires
That any new pit creation requests,

2672
05:37:30,130 --> 05:37:30,130
the petitioner has to hold at least one meeting with the community.

2673
05:37:36,810 --> 05:37:36,810
and so they need to send a notice of that, of that community meeting to all of the
Property owners that are within the proposed pit area.

2674
05:37:45,210 --> 05:37:45,210
in addition to that, state law requires that we send out a notice of this public hearing
To every single property owner in the pit.

2675
05:37:53,010 --> 05:37:53,010
and that's probably, I'm assuming that's maybe the letter you're referring to. That's the
One that city staff mail out to all record owners within the proposed

2676
05:38:02,990 --> 05:38:02,990
bid. Okay, so so there should have been two notices,
One sent out by the petitioner for the for the community meeting and then a second

2677
05:38:12,950 --> 05:38:12,950
notice for this public hearing. Okay. Thank you,
Mr.

2678
05:38:17,030 --> 05:38:17,030
bonner. Yes, sir. We did get the notice for this meeting,
And that's why I, I made a point of coming because I thought it was

2679
05:38:26,910 --> 05:38:26,910
going to be a meeting to further explain what this process,
What affect this process was going to have on our properties,

2680
05:38:36,270 --> 05:38:36,270
because it's a really large area that is encompassed by the relatively small deck park and
The associated

2681
05:38:46,030 --> 05:38:46,030
area. And we made a point to come to this meeting because I thought this is the only
Meeting I knew of.

2682
05:38:53,390 --> 05:38:53,390
so did you get the first letter? I know it seemed like you got the letter that was sent by
The city.

2683
05:38:57,910 --> 05:39:01,900
did you get the letter that was sitting by the southern gate? The only letter we received, sir. Is the one that, that that we got, that was a single page.

2684
05:39:10,100 --> 05:39:10,100
and on both sides it had a, it had a full page of writing on the front.

2685
05:39:14,300 --> 05:39:14,300
it had the map on the back. I've got it on my phone and I can show it to you if you want
Me to.

2686
05:39:20,220 --> 05:39:23,580
do you desire that? Sure. That's fine. I can get that in a few. You go ahead. I can get that in for you. I just want to make sure that when we're doing
The projects and

2687
05:39:33,500 --> 05:39:33,500
when that we're we are effectively communicating,
We as a council, they have to follow law,

2688
05:39:39,060 --> 05:39:39,060
but we can't control what another, another organization does.

2689
05:39:44,020 --> 05:39:44,020
but the you should have been notified according to what the city of dallas just said
Twice.

2690
05:39:50,100 --> 05:39:50,100
she said that she sent it out. So there was a disconnect somewhere in that process.

2691
05:39:56,570 --> 05:39:56,570
but we are happy to speak with you about it and see what we can do going forward to make
Sure that you are involved in all the communications.

2692
05:40:03,610 --> 05:40:03,610
I believe that you are in your business is located in district one,
My colleague chair west.

2693
05:40:11,090 --> 05:40:11,090
but I will also make myself available to make sure that going forward that you are aware
Of what's going on.

2694
05:40:16,730 --> 05:40:16,730
so nothing catches you by surprise. Okay. We're just south of the jack in the box.

2695
05:40:22,490 --> 05:40:25,690
yes, sir. Yes. Yes, sir. Yes. Thank you so much. Okay. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Chair ridley.

2696
05:40:29,370 --> 05:40:29,370
five minutes. Miss hagan can you confirm that you did hold the required public meeting of
Property owners?

2697
05:40:37,890 --> 05:40:37,890
how many people attended? I would have to go back and look.

2698
05:40:42,930 --> 05:40:42,930
I would probably say around 25. And when was that meeting held?

2699
05:40:49,250 --> 05:40:49,250
it was held on september. Excuse me. September 4th of last year,
2025.

2700
05:40:58,000 --> 05:40:58,000
okay. Thank you. Miss blackmon council member blackmon five

2701
05:41:07,720 --> 05:41:07,720
minutes. Okay. Thank you. Regarding the meeting,
How many people have did you petition in the service

2702
05:41:17,520 --> 05:41:17,520
area? To be in the pit? And so that for that original meeting we were that was under our,
The

2703
05:41:27,400 --> 05:41:27,400
original map we drew which was a larger area.

2704
05:41:31,760 --> 05:41:31,760
and so I believe that notice and I'm looking it up right this minute.

2705
05:41:37,640 --> 05:41:37,640
but it looks like there were about 920 property accounts

2706
05:41:47,560 --> 05:41:47,560
under that original map. And so that's who we sent those notices to.

2707
05:41:52,480 --> 05:41:52,480
so you had 25 people attend a meeting where you sent 900 invites?

2708
05:41:59,580 --> 05:41:59,580
yeah. And you've only had it's been almost a year.

2709
05:42:05,100 --> 05:42:05,100
did you amend your map? We reduced the map. Yes.

2710
05:42:10,460 --> 05:42:13,300
and did you have another meeting after you reduced it? No, we did not. We did have, you know, meetings one on one with various property owners
Who reached out to us,

2711
05:42:20,540 --> 05:42:20,540
but not a group meeting, because when we close this public hearing,
We're authorizing the approval of the district.

2712
05:42:29,500 --> 05:42:33,300
is that that's correct, right? Correct. That's my understanding. I mean, I think there well, I'll I'll defer. Somebody from staff.

2713
05:42:41,580 --> 05:42:41,580
can you verify that? Sorry. Yes, that's correct,
Miss blackmon.

2714
05:42:46,340 --> 05:42:46,340
so mr. Bonner won't have any recourse. There will be no way for his for him to get his
Questions answered.

2715
05:42:52,810 --> 05:42:52,810
he'll be taxed. And that'll be it. Is that correct?

2716
05:42:59,010 --> 05:43:02,690
the assessment by the public improvement district will apply to his property. That's correct. Okay. If there's a delay in this,
Does it kill it?

2717
05:43:08,770 --> 05:43:08,770
because it seems to be like, you know, you send out a 900 invites,
25 come, but then they amend the map and there hasn't been any more,

2718
05:43:18,450 --> 05:43:22,130
isn't there? It seems like there hasn't been any more conversation. And then this gentleman comes down and has some clear questions about what is to be
Expected.

2719
05:43:27,770 --> 05:43:27,770
and if we approved this, he gets dinged with the tax bill.

2720
05:43:35,690 --> 05:43:35,690
so regarding the timing of the creation, unfortunately dallas county does have a strict
June 1st deadline for ppid creations.

2721
05:43:44,850 --> 05:43:44,850
and that's so that it gives them sufficient lead time to set up,
There.

2722
05:43:50,640 --> 05:43:54,560
I get it. Their system, they're taxing. Yeah. This this isn't my district, but I feel for individuals.

2723
05:43:58,280 --> 05:43:58,280
I mean, how much are we how much are we talking about here that could be added to his tax
Bill.

2724
05:44:06,000 --> 05:44:06,000
the assessment annual assessment is going to be based on the value of his property.

2725
05:44:11,360 --> 05:44:11,360
so I don't know what what his property value is but that's great.

2726
05:44:16,840 --> 05:44:20,120
what is what is the valuation? What is the percentage. It's $0.15 per $100. Valuation is the assessment rate.

2727
05:44:26,440 --> 05:44:26,440
and it can't be challenged once they get the bill.

2728
05:44:31,520 --> 05:44:31,520
so the way that public improvement districts work is it doesn't require every single
Property owner in the proposed boundary to,

2729
05:44:39,000 --> 05:44:39,000
to support the creation of a pit. Correct. So as long as 50% of the property,
Every but every but every property owner must pay into it.

2730
05:44:48,310 --> 05:44:48,310
correct. Once a pit is approved, whether every single property owner signed or signed the
Petition in support or not,

2731
05:44:55,310 --> 05:44:55,310
as as long as half of the property owners approved the petition in terms of value and land
Area,

2732
05:45:01,790 --> 05:45:01,790
then yes, every all the the remaining owners will will be assessed.

2733
05:45:06,190 --> 05:45:06,190
how many property owners are in the new kid? The new pit map that we're.

2734
05:45:12,630 --> 05:45:12,630
approving. Miss hagan, do you have that readily available?

2735
05:45:22,030 --> 05:45:22,030
I believe it's closer to about 200. Do we not have the exact number?

2736
05:45:27,670 --> 05:45:27,670
I can well, and so it's a little over 200 properties.

2737
05:45:32,750 --> 05:45:32,750
but there's fewer owners than that because some owners own correct,
189 accounts.

2738
05:45:39,990 --> 05:45:39,990
okay. So 189 accounts. But how many properties?

2739
05:45:44,930 --> 05:45:44,930
that's yeah, there's 189 properties. So some owners may own multiple properties,
But there's 189 property accounts.

2740
05:45:53,690 --> 05:45:53,690
property accounts. Okay. And and you said how many they have to sign a petition.

2741
05:45:58,410 --> 05:45:58,410
is that correct? Yes. So at least how many signed,
How many signed in support?

2742
05:46:10,570 --> 05:46:10,570
so the percentage of approval was 55 54.5% of record owners,
Representing

2743
05:46:19,570 --> 05:46:19,570
54.5% of the value and 53% of the land area. And what

2744
05:46:29,250 --> 05:46:29,250
we changed that threshold, right? Yes. So last year city council amended its public
Improvement district policy to reduce the petition approval threshold from

2745
05:46:38,650 --> 05:46:38,650
60% to 50%. So it barely came in at the at the threshold.

2746
05:46:47,440 --> 05:46:47,440
yeah. The current threshold is 50%. Per state law.

2747
05:46:53,240 --> 05:46:53,240
I mean, I really feel for this gentleman. He obviously has some real questions and
Concerns.

2748
05:46:59,440 --> 05:46:59,440
and it's his property. And I just feel that you know,
I just was he ever met with individually and or anybody from

2749
05:47:09,200 --> 05:47:09,200
staff? Well, and so I'll be honest this was a while ago and so I've been going through my
Notes,

2750
05:47:15,680 --> 05:47:19,280
but mr. Bonner mentioned a phone call. And I actually think that mr. Bonner and I did speak on the phone back in the fall or early spring.

2751
05:47:26,200 --> 05:47:26,200
okay. Early spring of this year. Yes. But it may have been fall and I,
And I'm sorry, I've been trying to go back through my notes to figure out exactly when it

2752
05:47:34,760 --> 05:47:34,760
was, but it was some time ago. But he said he had a phone call.

2753
05:47:40,720 --> 05:47:40,720
I'm almost positive that was with me because,
I mean, I support the park, I support the pit.

2754
05:47:45,870 --> 05:47:48,790
I support you all. But I mean, it's all it's. And I'm just wondering how many more mr. Bonner's are out there.

2755
05:47:51,910 --> 05:47:51,910
and they're going to get a bill because they have really no understanding of what's going
On.

2756
05:47:56,870 --> 05:47:56,870
and it's going to it could get really messy pretty fast when they see an extra extra item
On their bill.

2757
05:48:05,670 --> 05:48:05,670
and that's all I'm. But you do have 54% of the area value,
But only

2758
05:48:14,470 --> 05:48:14,470
53% of the land area supporting it. So I mean,
It's and I know that you're hitting up against the deadline.

2759
05:48:21,790 --> 05:48:21,790
so it's not my district, but I just, I. Mr. Bonner,
I really apologize that this is where we are because I think it's unfair,

2760
05:48:31,630 --> 05:48:35,070
but I don't know what else to do. That's it for now. Thank you. All right. Chair stewart five minutes.

2761
05:48:41,340 --> 05:48:41,340
thank you, madam mayor. Okay, just a couple of things.

2762
05:48:45,940 --> 05:48:45,940
it's totally normal to have 25 people come to a property owner meeting for a public
Improvement district.

2763
05:48:52,940 --> 05:48:52,940
I wish I could tell you it's usually 200 or 75 or whatever,
But I've run a lot of those.

2764
05:49:00,580 --> 05:49:00,580
and I will say uptown was always very well attended.

2765
05:49:04,620 --> 05:49:04,620
you definitely probably had 50 to 75 there, but at least in lake highlands,
You know, we,

2766
05:49:11,100 --> 05:49:11,100
we were in the 25 to 30 range for people attending these meetings and that a wide variety
Of meetings

2767
05:49:20,980 --> 05:49:20,980
reasons. Excuse me that they, that the attendance for those meetings is,
Is low.

2768
05:49:25,900 --> 05:49:28,740
I'm glad to hear that you had a phone conversation. I remember having many of those conversations with new incoming property owners as we had
Expanded our boundaries actually.

2769
05:49:37,180 --> 05:49:37,180
and what I can tell you is that the assessment that you pay or all of the,
The property owners pay is used

2770
05:49:47,090 --> 05:49:47,090
to better the community. It's used to work on public safety issues.

2771
05:49:51,530 --> 05:49:51,530
more than likely it probably will be worked on beautification issues.

2772
05:49:56,570 --> 05:49:56,570
it's a good thing. And I don't know how this is going to turn out today,
But I think there will be a pit there at some point in time.

2773
05:50:04,650 --> 05:50:07,650
and I would hope that you would be involved in that. Perhaps you could serve on the board of directors.

2774
05:50:10,170 --> 05:50:13,810
so you had as a property owner, you have that right. And you could give some input into how those dollars are spent.

2775
05:50:18,370 --> 05:50:18,370
somebody is feeding me some information. I should not somebody,
My staff is feeding me information that your,

2776
05:50:23,530 --> 05:50:23,530
the total assessment for the year could be 213 000.

2777
05:50:27,570 --> 05:50:27,570
and I think you have 179 property owners. So I was coming up with about 11 or $1200.

2778
05:50:35,870 --> 05:50:35,870
might be your assessment, but someone should check my math. It was not my strong point.

2779
05:50:41,390 --> 05:50:41,390
but I think that that those dollars, what I can promise you is that they are truly spent
To improve

2780
05:50:51,270 --> 05:50:51,270
that area. That's the whole purpose of a ped is to pull a,
A group, pull a, the geographical area,

2781
05:50:57,510 --> 05:50:57,510
that map that you are talking about together as a community,
And to work on the issues that are challenging that community from economic development to

2782
05:51:07,750 --> 05:51:11,430
public safety and beautification and community engagement and all those things. So it's a, I think peds are good for communities.

2783
05:51:15,230 --> 05:51:15,230
I think they strengthen them. But I know that this is an,
This is rolling out with a bit of a rough spot here since you weren't able to

2784
05:51:25,230 --> 05:51:25,230
get your questions answered at a, at a public meeting,
But I did, I did want to just throw some of the facts in there,

2785
05:51:32,190 --> 05:51:32,190
some of the information to you about how it works and what its purpose is.

2786
05:51:38,500 --> 05:51:41,500
I think that's all I have. Thank you so much. All right, mayor pro tem, thank you. So it's nice to have someone with that background on
Our pit on our council to give us some,

2787
05:51:51,620 --> 05:51:51,620
some historical content. So the geographical area that's presented today with about 180,
190

2788
05:52:01,420 --> 05:52:01,420
properties, are they a majority residential or commercial properties?

2789
05:52:07,740 --> 05:52:07,740
most of the properties are commercial. There are only 41 residential accounts.

2790
05:52:13,460 --> 05:52:13,460
and the interested parties do their best to exclude as many residential properties as
Possible.

2791
05:52:21,980 --> 05:52:21,980
yes. That was a deliberate effort that the petitioner made to minimize the amount of
Residential accounts in the proposed boundary.

2792
05:52:28,900 --> 05:52:28,900
and prior to today, what other opportunities were presented to business owners and
Residents to share their thoughts and concerns.

2793
05:52:39,250 --> 05:52:39,250
so as I mentioned, there was a public meeting that was held with all that were all
Property owners were invited to attend that meeting.

2794
05:52:49,050 --> 05:52:49,050
and then we 15 days before today, the state law requires that we send out notices of
Public hearing.

2795
05:52:57,170 --> 05:52:57,170
our contact information is on that letter as well as you know,
Our phone number, email address,

2796
05:53:05,570 --> 05:53:05,570
link to our website. And, you know, if property owners have questions,
Then that's also an opportunity where we can provide responses.

2797
05:53:13,410 --> 05:53:13,410
so on that letter, just to reiterate, there,
There was opportunities for people to engage and have questions addressed.

2798
05:53:22,170 --> 05:53:22,170
that's correct. Thank you. Thank you. All right,
Mr.

2799
05:53:26,330 --> 05:53:26,330
roth, five minutes. Just a clarification. Did you mention that the the the estimated pit
Tax is going to be $0.15

2800
05:53:36,440 --> 05:53:36,440
per 100? Yes. So the assessment rate, it's not a tax or rate.

2801
05:53:43,280 --> 05:53:46,680
it's an assessment that is on top of property taxes. And it funds the services that the the pit provides and the the revenue is calculated by
Multiplying the property

2802
05:53:56,680 --> 05:53:59,960
value, dividing it by 100 times the proposed assessment rate. So for $100,000, that represents about $150 per $100,000 of

2803
05:54:09,360 --> 05:54:09,360
value. So, mr. Bonner, if your property is $100,000,
It's the amount of the tax of the of the data tax.

2804
05:54:18,680 --> 05:54:18,680
the recovery would be about $150 per $100,000.

2805
05:54:24,040 --> 05:54:27,240
it's not it's it's it isn't amount of money. It's. And it's the other part of the tax, the the assessment for the pyd every year it gets
Reevaluated.

2806
05:54:36,780 --> 05:54:36,780
is that correct? So every year city council approves the pit's proposed service plan
Budget and assessment rate.

2807
05:54:45,580 --> 05:54:45,580
so if you know there's a need to to lower the rate then that's something that city council
Can can do.

2808
05:54:52,500 --> 05:54:52,500
and the and the pyd budgets are made by the folks that are on the,
The pyd board or the, the pyd advisory group.

2809
05:55:01,500 --> 05:55:01,500
right. Yes. That's correct. And then for those we also require our pyd management entities
To have one meeting annually where

2810
05:55:11,460 --> 05:55:15,220
they present their budget to property owners. And there's an opportunity for property owners to weigh in on the proposed budget for,
For the upcoming year.

2811
05:55:20,260 --> 05:55:20,260
great. Thank you for the clarification. Yeah.

2812
05:55:26,180 --> 05:55:26,180
all right. We'll go to chair west. Three minutes.

2813
05:55:30,970 --> 05:55:30,970
thank you. I wanted to give miss hagan an opportunity to talk about some of the groundwork
They did to get the messaging out,

2814
05:55:39,210 --> 05:55:39,210
and to try to get feedback and input from all the property owners in the affected area.

2815
05:55:45,010 --> 05:55:45,010
sure, absolutely. So the initial step was the written notice with the information for the
Meeting and then holding the public meeting.

2816
05:55:54,530 --> 05:55:54,530
and then after that, we did attempt to reach out to property owners in other ways.

2817
05:55:59,730 --> 05:55:59,730
I will admit it is challenging to get a hold of everyone.

2818
05:56:04,450 --> 05:56:04,450
all of the property owners often, you know, all we have to go on are the names and
Addresses that are under dallas county appraisal district.

2819
05:56:14,690 --> 05:56:14,690
and so it's often difficult to connect that owner entity with a person.

2820
05:56:20,890 --> 05:56:20,890
but we did make that attempt to, to try to talk to people that way and had,
You know, individual meetings and phone calls with a large number of property owners that

2821
05:56:30,720 --> 05:56:30,720
way as well. You know, there are some properties that we actually went by in person and
Tried to get contact info for,

2822
05:56:37,920 --> 05:56:37,920
you know, sometimes with success and sometimes not to be quite honest,
But also, you know,

2823
05:56:43,600 --> 05:56:43,600
just were available for anyone who called, I think I responded to any phone call or email
We received which all of my contact information was on those initial

2824
05:56:53,240 --> 05:56:53,240
notices that were sent out as well. If someone was not able to make it to the meeting.

2825
05:57:08,200 --> 05:57:08,200
you is that all right? Chair johnson, three minutes.

2826
05:57:13,920 --> 05:57:13,920
thank you. Mayor. Mr. Bonner, let me ask you one more question.

2827
05:57:21,840 --> 05:57:21,840
first of all, thank you for coming and making this clear after I spoke with you a few
Minutes ago.

2828
05:57:30,150 --> 05:57:30,150
I remember you when I was a young man in ministry.

2829
05:57:35,550 --> 05:57:35,550
years ago, I think, and I confirmed that you were the same person you used to work for the
City.

2830
05:57:40,270 --> 05:57:40,270
yes, sir. Years ago. So what is your objective?

2831
05:57:45,670 --> 05:57:48,030
I know you're letting us know what's going on. How? What? What do you want to see from this? And etcetera.

2832
05:57:52,230 --> 05:57:52,230
first I want to say that I certainly am not opposed to helping park.

2833
05:57:57,110 --> 05:58:00,750
it is a wonderful venture from the upper deck. My wife and I went walked over there. We're two blocks from it.

2834
05:58:04,870 --> 05:58:04,870
we walked over there. We walked the park. I went up to the upper deck and I took a picture
Of my office building from the upper deck.

2835
05:58:12,750 --> 05:58:12,750
that's how close I am to the park. I think it's a wonderful extension or amenity to the
City.

2836
05:58:18,990 --> 05:58:18,990
I think it's great. My only issue here and and and I thought there would be a room full of
People

2837
05:58:29,410 --> 05:58:29,410
getting understanding, getting, getting information concerning the tax increase.

2838
05:58:36,770 --> 05:58:36,770
I have several properties and I fight taxes every year.

2839
05:58:42,250 --> 05:58:42,250
every year I'm at dcad disputing my tax value.

2840
05:58:47,810 --> 05:58:47,810
it goes up like $100,000 a year. And I'm sure many of you are as well.

2841
05:58:53,690 --> 05:58:53,690
this was kind of back door to me. It felt backdoor.

2842
05:58:59,330 --> 05:58:59,330
at least with dcad I get the notices. I know my cutoff is april 15th.

2843
05:59:04,090 --> 05:59:04,090
I've got to submit my objection. I get a date,
A hearing date, and I can present my argument.

2844
05:59:09,530 --> 05:59:09,530
I didn't come here to argue it. I just because I didn't know we were at a point of voting.

2845
05:59:14,730 --> 05:59:18,640
I just wanted to come here to find out more about it. And you're right. My building is worth about $800,000.

2846
05:59:24,120 --> 05:59:24,120
so that's $1,200. $1,200 is $1,200. And then you got 500 over here,
A few

2847
05:59:33,720 --> 05:59:33,720
thousand over there, 6 or 10,000 over there. You get a a vehicle that breaks down and
Pretty soon you're talking real money.

2848
05:59:43,160 --> 05:59:43,160
I have to watch every penny. And this is 12000 pennies.

2849
05:59:52,200 --> 05:59:52,200
and I just wanted to know more about it, that's all.

2850
05:59:56,720 --> 05:59:56,720
I don't want my name associated with the one guy that came down and was against halperin
Park,

2851
06:00:04,240 --> 06:00:04,240
because I am not. I just wanted more information.

2852
06:00:09,520 --> 06:00:09,520
and it just sounds like to me that the deal is kind of done.

2853
06:00:14,960 --> 06:00:14,960
and I don't know how that could be without me knowing about it,
Because I'm at my office every day and I get every piece of mail that

2854
06:00:24,870 --> 06:00:24,870
comes to my office. That's why I'm here. So that's kind of what I think about where we're
At.

2855
06:00:34,430 --> 06:00:34,430
I will clearly have to accept whatever ruling y'all y'all decide to make.

2856
06:00:40,830 --> 06:00:40,830
and again, I don't want to go down as the guy that that threw the wrench in the gears.

2857
06:00:47,110 --> 06:00:47,110
I just wanted to know more about it. I know more about it now.

2858
06:00:51,270 --> 06:00:51,270
a little late, it seems. But here we are. I thank you for your time.

2859
06:00:58,310 --> 06:00:58,310
and I think that halperin park will be is a wonderful,
Unbelievable, incredible asset to the city of dallas.

2860
06:01:07,910 --> 06:01:07,910
and I will be there for lunch much more than most of you will because it's walking
Distance from my office,

2861
06:01:17,940 --> 06:01:17,940
and I just thank you for your allowing me to say what I've said.

2862
06:01:25,980 --> 06:01:25,980
thank you, mr. Bonner. Thank you. Mr. Spat with the the pit.

2863
06:01:31,700 --> 06:01:31,700
we share that myself and councilman west. Correct.

2864
06:01:37,220 --> 06:01:37,220
say that again, please. With the pit. Is that chair west?

2865
06:01:41,580 --> 06:01:41,580
is that what we've been sharing? We've been talking about? We share the tiff.

2866
06:01:47,140 --> 06:01:47,140
I'm not sure about tiff. I'm not sure where the pit boundaries is,
The tiff, but the pit boundary is on both sides.

2867
06:01:52,700 --> 06:01:54,900
it's in district four and district one. Yes. Okay. But the pit is only for the business in district one,
Correct?

2868
06:01:59,060 --> 06:01:59,060
no, the the the pit pit assessment is solely going to be used,
As I understand it, for park security.

2869
06:02:07,580 --> 06:02:07,580
gotcha. Until such time that there's sufficient revenues to pay for other supplemental
Services that benefit the area.

2870
06:02:13,840 --> 06:02:16,840
okay. Thank you. I was getting confused with the tiff and. Yeah. Thank you, miss pat. Thank you, mr. Bonner,
For speaking unfortunately, it's unfortunate that

2871
06:02:27,440 --> 06:02:27,440
you didn't receive from your point proper notification.

2872
06:02:32,440 --> 06:02:32,440
I would have hoped to see a representative from harper and park to actually be physically
Here instead of online.

2873
06:02:42,680 --> 06:02:42,680
but nevertheless you know, I'm willing to do more communication with you to help you get
Acclimated to whatever needs to be done.

2874
06:02:51,360 --> 06:02:51,360
so thank you so much for coming and speaking. All right.

2875
06:02:55,400 --> 06:02:55,400
thank you. Chair stewart three minutes. Thank you.

2876
06:02:59,560 --> 06:03:02,800
I think maybe and did you want to say something? I thought I saw you waving your oh, I just wanted to and I'm sorry.

2877
06:03:07,680 --> 06:03:07,680
I just wanted to make sure that councilman understood that I was here from halperin park.

2878
06:03:13,310 --> 06:03:13,310
I understand I'm not there in person. That was actually the recommendation of staff that
We attend virtually.

2879
06:03:21,150 --> 06:03:21,150
I think I have been at every council meeting when it's ever been recommended that we
Attend in person.

2880
06:03:26,990 --> 06:03:26,990
so. You're right. Staff does recommend that all the personnel be be available virtually.

2881
06:03:36,110 --> 06:03:36,110
just saying that that's been the that's been the the habit of of us for sure.

2882
06:03:42,070 --> 06:03:42,070
I, I think what I want to say is, first of all,
We apologize that you didn't get the information in such a way that you were able to ask

2883
06:03:51,950 --> 06:03:54,150
questions that you didn't know about the meeting. And I'm grateful that you at least it sounds like had a phone conversation with an I think
I guess what I'm asking is

2884
06:04:03,910 --> 06:04:03,910
if, if we approve this, that you would find ways to embrace this this pit and get to,
You know,

2885
06:04:11,620 --> 06:04:11,620
be one of those who really gets to know and understands how pits work and how well they
Can work for all communities and then how it would best serve your

2886
06:04:21,260 --> 06:04:21,260
community. I know it's initial focus will be on providing security for the park,
And that's a good thing.

2887
06:04:27,060 --> 06:04:27,060
we do want to protect that asset, but there's more to pits than that,
And it can be expanded to do more than just the security piece.

2888
06:04:36,380 --> 06:04:36,380
so I am quite sure you and ann will have more conversations,
And you'll hopefully find a way that

2889
06:04:46,300 --> 06:04:46,300
you feel comfortable participating and perhaps giving it leadership.

2890
06:04:50,820 --> 06:04:53,940
I think you would be you would be great at that. And it would be good for all of the community to have your voice heard.

2891
06:04:57,900 --> 06:04:57,900
and you might know some other people in the community who would want to have their voices
Heard as well.

2892
06:05:03,100 --> 06:05:03,100
so thank you for being here and for your leadership and for your questions.

2893
06:05:08,170 --> 06:05:08,170
questions are very, very important. And thank you,
Madam mayor.

2894
06:05:13,610 --> 06:05:13,610
all right, chair johnson, one minute. I'm sorry,
I didn't know I was on I wasn't trying to speak.

2895
06:05:19,690 --> 06:05:19,690
sorry. All right. I don't see anyone else in the queue.

2896
06:05:25,010 --> 06:05:25,010
so all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? All right.

2897
06:05:30,410 --> 06:05:30,410
it carries. Thank you, madam mayor. We'll move to your next public hearing item.

2898
06:05:35,090 --> 06:05:35,090
ff six is a public hearing to receive comments concerning the proposed expansion of the
Dallas tourism public improvement district district,

2899
06:05:44,610 --> 06:05:44,610
or d t in accordance with chapter 372 of the texas local government code,
Public improvement district act,

2900
06:05:52,610 --> 06:05:52,610
or act, allowing the city to include property in a hotel public improvement district with
The property owner's consent.

2901
06:05:59,330 --> 06:05:59,330
if such property could have been included in the district when created without violating
The petition thresholds to provide supplemental public services funded

2902
06:06:09,230 --> 06:06:09,230
by assessments on dallas hotels with 100 or more rooms,
Qualifying hotels and at the close of the public hearing,

2903
06:06:18,790 --> 06:06:18,790
authorize a resolution approving district boundary expansion to include four additional
Qualifying hotels in the district not described in the resolution or

2904
06:06:28,150 --> 06:06:28,150
petition, renewing the district in 2016 or expanding the district boundaries in 2020,
2022,

2905
06:06:36,150 --> 06:06:36,150
2023 or 2024. You do have an individual who has signed up to speak on this item,
Fred uhler.

2906
06:06:46,110 --> 06:06:46,110
good afternoon. My name is fred uhler. I live in district ten and I serve the dallas
Tourism public improvement district as their executive

2907
06:06:55,710 --> 06:06:55,710
director. The chairman of the board. And I want to first thank the council for your
Support over the 15 years,

2908
06:07:06,020 --> 06:07:09,780
and I'm basically here to answer any questions you might have. Thank you very much. Thank you. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like
To address the city council on this item?

2909
06:07:17,700 --> 06:07:17,700
item ph six. No further speakers, mr. Mayor. All right.

2910
06:07:22,060 --> 06:07:25,340
is there a motion on ph six? All right. It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye.

2911
06:07:28,380 --> 06:07:28,380
any opposed? The ayes have it. Next item. Item ph seven is a public hearing to receive
Comments concerning the proposed renewal and expansion of

2912
06:07:38,300 --> 06:07:38,300
the south side, public improvement district,
District or spd.

2913
06:07:42,820 --> 06:07:42,820
in accordance with chapter three, 72 of the texas local government code for the specified
Area of the district to provide supplemental public services

2914
06:07:52,940 --> 06:07:52,940
to be funded by assessments on real property and real property improvements in the
District and at the close of the public hearing,

2915
06:08:00,060 --> 06:08:00,060
authorize approval. One of a resolution renewing the district for a period of ten years,
From 2027 to 2036.

2916
06:08:08,730 --> 06:08:08,730
two of the district's service plan for 2027 2036 to provide supplemental public services
To be funded by assessments on real property

2917
06:08:18,610 --> 06:08:21,090
and real property improvements in the district. And three of a management contract with south side water development corporation,
A texas nonprofit corporation,

2918
06:08:29,330 --> 06:08:29,330
as the management entity for the district. You do have one individual signed up to speak
On this item.

2919
06:08:39,730 --> 06:08:39,730
bui nguyen. Hi. Good afternoon. I'm bui nguyen.

2920
06:08:45,050 --> 06:08:45,050
I'm the executive director of the south side public improvement district,
And I'm available for any questions related to the renewal item under consideration.

2921
06:08:54,290 --> 06:08:54,290
thank you. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city
Council on this item?

2922
06:09:00,000 --> 06:09:00,000
item ph seven no speakers. Mr. Mayor. Looking for a motion?

2923
06:09:05,880 --> 06:09:05,880
all right, I heard a motion. And a second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in
Favor, say aye. Any opposed?

2924
06:09:11,480 --> 06:09:11,480
ayes have it. Thank you. Next item. Item eight is a public hearing to receive comments
Concerning the proposed renewal of the

2925
06:09:21,360 --> 06:09:21,360
uptown public improvement district district. In accordance with chapter 372 of the texas
Local government code,

2926
06:09:28,200 --> 06:09:28,200
the act for the specified area of the district to provide supplemental public services to
Be funded by assessments on real property and real property improvements in the

2927
06:09:37,840 --> 06:09:37,840
district and at the close of the public hearing,
Authorize one approval of a resolution renewing the district for a period of seven years,

2928
06:09:45,920 --> 06:09:45,920
from 2027 to 2033, to a plan for 2027 2033 to provide supplemental public services to be
Funded by assessments on

2929
06:09:55,840 --> 06:09:55,840
real property and real property improvements in the district,
And three approval of a management contract with uptown dallas inc.,

2930
06:10:03,670 --> 06:10:03,670
a texas nonprofit corporation, as the management entity for the district.

2931
06:10:08,190 --> 06:10:08,190
you do have one individual signed up to speak on this item,
Brooklyn glessner.

2932
06:10:15,870 --> 06:10:19,590
yeah. Hi. This is this is actually kellen butts. I'm the executive director of uptown dallas,
Inc..

2933
06:10:22,590 --> 06:10:22,590
brooklyn is here with me, and we're just here to answer any questions.

2934
06:10:27,470 --> 06:10:27,470
thank you. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city
Council on this item?

2935
06:10:32,870 --> 06:10:32,870
item ph. Eight. No further speakers, mr. Mayor.

2936
06:10:37,390 --> 06:10:40,270
thank you for a motion. All right. It's been moved. And second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none.

2937
06:10:42,870 --> 06:10:46,110
all in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. Next item.

2938
06:11:08,290 --> 06:11:08,290
thank you, mr. Mayor. Before I go to your last public hearing,
I would like to go back to agenda item 21,

2939
06:11:14,730 --> 06:11:14,730
which is tied to ph four. Actually, ph four was heard,
And according to the rules, it must be heard before agenda item 21st may be

2940
06:11:24,690 --> 06:11:24,690
considered. So at this time, agenda item 21 authorized a tax increment financing tif
Development agreement with mockingbird

2941
06:11:34,650 --> 06:11:34,650
owner l.p., a texas limited partnership, and or its affiliates developer in an amount not
To exceed $29 million tif

2942
06:11:43,970 --> 06:11:43,970
subsidy payable from current and future funds in the maple mockingbird tif district,
Tif district or zone in accordance in

2943
06:11:54,000 --> 06:11:54,000
consideration of the developer's design, engineering,
Financing and construction of the oak park mixed use and mixed income project project on

2944
06:12:03,520 --> 06:12:03,520
approximately 5.9 acres. Currently addressed as 1545 west mockingbird lane,
Not to exceed $29 million.

2945
06:12:12,440 --> 06:12:16,040
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. All right. Looking for motion on 21. All right.

2946
06:12:20,240 --> 06:12:20,240
I heard a motion to approve. Second. Okay. I heard a second tier one.

2947
06:12:24,320 --> 06:12:27,880
so you pulled item 21. So you're recognized for five minutes. Thank you. We actually talked about this recently,
I think two weeks ago.

2948
06:12:33,640 --> 06:12:33,640
I'm opposed to expanding tifs that we need those revenues for our general funds.

2949
06:12:40,560 --> 06:12:40,560
and I believe this project would have gone forward even without being part of this
Project.

2950
06:12:47,120 --> 06:12:47,120
part of the tif funding that's available. So I will be voting no.

2951
06:12:51,360 --> 06:12:51,360
thank you. Mr. Roth. Recognized for five minutes.

2952
06:12:56,430 --> 06:12:56,430
thank you. I've been concerned also about expanding tifs and and where the need may not be
As,

2953
06:13:03,750 --> 06:13:03,750
as required as as in other parts. And in this particular situation,
I'm concerned that the tif expires in,

2954
06:13:14,030 --> 06:13:14,030
in seven years. The money coming into that tif is $5 million a year,
Which would be about $35 million.

2955
06:13:22,070 --> 06:13:22,070
this, this particular ask would, would would evaporate that,
That amount of money in that tif number one,

2956
06:13:29,750 --> 06:13:32,630
number two, there's about $25 million in that tif. I understand now that's we just allocated to somebody else.

2957
06:13:36,430 --> 06:13:36,430
I'm just concerned about liquidating our, our,
Our tif reserves in some of these communities that might really haven't fully

2958
06:13:46,550 --> 06:13:46,550
taken advantage of the, of the development in the existing tif boundary.

2959
06:13:53,140 --> 06:13:53,140
so again it's not a reflection on a project,
But I don't know that this particular project would,

2960
06:14:02,780 --> 06:14:02,780
would require the, the tif funds to proceed. And if they and the other,
The last issue is,

2961
06:14:10,260 --> 06:14:10,260
is that it looks like that part of town really is starting to develop on its own.

2962
06:14:15,060 --> 06:14:15,060
I don't know that the incentives that we're providing by allowing these tif funds to be
Reimbursed to these folks are,

2963
06:14:24,660 --> 06:14:24,660
are necessary to the actual development of this project.

2964
06:14:30,820 --> 06:14:30,820
so I would suggest that this request be denied.

2965
06:14:37,620 --> 06:14:41,620
anyone else wish to speak on for or against item 21? Mr. Ridley, you're recognized for five minutes.

2966
06:14:44,700 --> 06:14:44,700
thank you, mr. Mayor. Question for mr. Spath.

2967
06:14:48,840 --> 06:14:48,840
so if we do not approve this item, what happens to the $29 million?

2968
06:14:55,840 --> 06:14:55,840
the commitment goes away. That's it. There are no other projects in the pipeline.

2969
06:15:05,240 --> 06:15:05,240
okay. And so is it correct that there's currently a cash balance of $25 million in the tif
Fund?

2970
06:15:15,840 --> 06:15:15,840
about. Yes. Okay. And does the 29 million that is the subject of this item come out of
That 25 plus

2971
06:15:25,480 --> 06:15:25,480
future tax revenues? That's correct. And how much does it earn each year in tax revenues?

2972
06:15:33,440 --> 06:15:33,440
is it 5 million. About 5.9 million. Okay. So they'll raise another 35 million plus the 25.

2973
06:15:40,320 --> 06:15:40,320
that's 60 million. That's correct. And so if there are no other projects that apply for
This,

2974
06:15:46,440 --> 06:15:46,440
what happens to that cash if this item is not approved at the end of the tif?

2975
06:15:50,910 --> 06:15:50,910
right. State law requires us to return the funds to the contributing taxing entities.

2976
06:15:55,710 --> 06:15:55,710
so to the city's general fund and the taxing and the county who's also been participating.

2977
06:16:03,870 --> 06:16:03,870
okay. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak on it?

2978
06:16:08,070 --> 06:16:10,990
chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for three minutes. Wow. What do you think we could do with $60 million,
Y'all?

2979
06:16:15,590 --> 06:16:15,590
okay, so it's not all coming to us, but a good chunk is.

2980
06:16:21,070 --> 06:16:21,070
so do you need to incentivize the development that's going to happen anyhow?

2981
06:16:25,710 --> 06:16:28,590
I mean, this is just not a good use of our tax dollars. And I'm not even going to go into I have it here,
But hopefully you watch the housing committee yesterday.

2982
06:16:35,950 --> 06:16:35,950
we have hundreds of affordable units available right now that are vacant.

2983
06:16:42,150 --> 06:16:42,150
you want me to tell you how many mayor. I'll tell you how many,
If you don't mind.

2984
06:16:47,340 --> 06:16:47,340
point of order. I'm going to give her a little latitude to make her point if she's going
To come back to the ultimate agenda item.

2985
06:16:56,020 --> 06:16:58,780
but, you know, we get a little rhetorical leeway around here. Thank you. But all those, you know, those rhetorical questions.

2986
06:17:01,660 --> 06:17:01,660
I mean, I'm not going to answer them. You know that,
Right? I just want to make sure you know that. All right. So we're talking about 1299

2987
06:17:10,020 --> 06:17:10,020
currently vacant units from the hfc and pfc. That's just those.

2988
06:17:15,140 --> 06:17:15,140
we already know that in the market, we have between probably ten and 12% vacancy in dallas
At all levels.

2989
06:17:23,580 --> 06:17:23,580
but the 1299 that is affordable units sitting vacant today.

2990
06:17:30,260 --> 06:17:30,260
we have thousands of available units that, I'm sorry,
Units that are in the process of being built.

2991
06:17:37,300 --> 06:17:37,300
in fact, 3828 units under construction right now that are not market rate.

2992
06:17:46,970 --> 06:17:46,970
some of the market rate, but most of them are affordable.

2993
06:17:51,530 --> 06:17:51,530
so when we start talking about trying to give up tens of thousands of dollars of money
That could come to the general

2994
06:18:01,050 --> 06:18:01,050
fund. As opposed to incentivizing this kind of a housing development,
I'm just going to say,

2995
06:18:09,530 --> 06:18:13,210
are you aware of what's happening right now at our rec centers? This isn't what they're proposing. State your point of order.

2996
06:18:16,570 --> 06:18:16,570
it's now we're talking about rec centers. Mayor. It's just one second ago,
She was making the point of diverting dollars from the general fund into tiff,

2997
06:18:26,090 --> 06:18:26,090
which was germane ish. All right. And I thought she was going to stay there.

2998
06:18:32,770 --> 06:18:32,770
and then she just deviated for just a second and you caught her. So I'm going to say,
Can you get back to going back?

2999
06:18:38,810 --> 06:18:42,470
she's making a policy argument, I think, for why this is. I am making the policy idea, but I need her to stay if she can.

3000
06:18:47,350 --> 06:18:47,350
thank you. It's semi sustained. The point is only we have to make very careful decisions
On what we do with our tax

3001
06:18:57,150 --> 06:18:57,150
dollars. And we are allocating money and making decisions that will divert funding that we
Need

3002
06:19:07,270 --> 06:19:07,270
in our general fund to incentivize a project that doesn't even need to be incentivized.

3003
06:19:12,870 --> 06:19:12,870
and if the tif no longer serves its purpose,
Well, let's end it and stop asking these people to pay extra money into a system for

3004
06:19:22,310 --> 06:19:22,310
projects that aren't needed. There's a lot of cranes over on mockingbird right now.

3005
06:19:28,350 --> 06:19:28,350
there's activity happening. So I just think we make these one off decisions instead of
Thinking strategically about what

3006
06:19:38,310 --> 06:19:38,310
are the actual needs in the city? Thank you. Mayor pro tem.

3007
06:19:45,460 --> 06:19:47,980
thank you. Mayor. Recognized for five minutes. So I too wasn't going to chime in on this one.

3008
06:19:52,860 --> 06:19:52,860
but as our budget becomes more tight, we we've got to look at every dollar.

3009
06:19:59,740 --> 06:20:03,060
first, I want to say that I think this project is a great project. It is going into an area that is has a lot of industrial not a lot of development
Happening currently.

3010
06:20:12,260 --> 06:20:12,260
the site is a great site. It is off of mockingbird and stemmons.

3011
06:20:17,700 --> 06:20:17,700
so I do believe it is marketable and we do see opportunities for progress.

3012
06:20:25,020 --> 06:20:25,020
I don't know if that's going to be in a year or five years.

3013
06:20:30,940 --> 06:20:30,940
eco dev staff. How did we arrive to the number that's being asked?

3014
06:20:35,900 --> 06:20:35,900
was there. Was there a gap funding? What was the criteria or the formula that we arrived
At?

3015
06:20:41,610 --> 06:20:45,090
the number that's being requested. Thank you for the question. So we follow our incentive policy. We follow an application process.

3016
06:20:52,330 --> 06:20:52,330
there's a board of directors for this district and for all tif districts.

3017
06:20:57,450 --> 06:20:57,450
after we intake the application, we review it for how well it proposes to implement all of
The goals and objectives of the project plan for this district.

3018
06:21:06,930 --> 06:21:06,930
and this project, by the way, does check almost all the boxes for goals and objectives for
The district.

3019
06:21:12,610 --> 06:21:12,610
we also set it out for independent outside underwriting and confirmed that the gap was
Approximately 29 million.

3020
06:21:22,850 --> 06:21:22,850
and so that's what we offer in our offer letter,
Which was accepted by the developer.

3021
06:21:29,050 --> 06:21:29,050
that entire term sheet was reviewed and approved unanimously by the board of directors for
This tif district.

3022
06:21:37,880 --> 06:21:37,880
so I'm just trying to figure out how it was coincidence that the number that's available
Is kind of the number that was requested and the number that was arrived at.

3023
06:21:47,520 --> 06:21:47,520
I know it was a little bit they requested a little bit higher. Sure.

3024
06:21:51,680 --> 06:21:51,680
they requested much higher than 29 million. And the 29 million is not what's available.

3025
06:21:57,080 --> 06:21:57,080
25 million is what's available currently. So help me understand what we're getting in
Return for the tif dollars.

3026
06:22:06,040 --> 06:22:08,960
I know we're getting housing at certain income levels. We're getting some retail. What else does this how does the city benefit?

3027
06:22:13,080 --> 06:22:13,080
sure. Let's talk about the tax base. This property is currently vacant and it generates
$50,000 a year for the city.

3028
06:22:21,800 --> 06:22:21,800
upon completion of this project, we projected that the taxable value would be
Approximately 75 million,

3029
06:22:28,120 --> 06:22:28,120
which would generate upwards of a half $1 million to the city for the city,
Which would be split between the tif district for a short time,

3030
06:22:37,140 --> 06:22:40,820
for the time that it remains, and the general fund. So tax base obviously is the primary objective of tax increment finance.

3031
06:22:46,580 --> 06:22:46,580
the other benefits to the city are the affordable housing that will be provided.

3032
06:22:53,740 --> 06:22:53,740
so that's 18 units with very deep affordability at or below 30% ami,
54 units at or

3033
06:23:03,660 --> 06:23:03,660
below 80% ami and 18 units at or below 100% ami.

3034
06:23:08,660 --> 06:23:08,660
so that's a little bit more than our, our the standard requirement of our policy.

3035
06:23:15,940 --> 06:23:19,420
there will be approximately 15,000ft² of retail. As you may recall this, when this item came through eco committee earlier this month,
There were some concerns from committee members about the project not having enough

3036
06:23:29,620 --> 06:23:29,620
space devoted to retail. Given that the project is on mockingbird lane.

3037
06:23:36,010 --> 06:23:36,010
and so we worked with the developer in the last two weeks to secure a commitment to
Increase the amount of retail square footage in the property to

3038
06:23:45,610 --> 06:23:45,610
15,000ft². So you know, that 15,000ft² will be leased by

3039
06:23:55,930 --> 06:23:55,930
retail tenants that generate sales tax for the city and generate business,
Personal property taxes for the city.

3040
06:24:01,650 --> 06:24:01,650
so, you know, all in, when it's all said and done,
This property could be generating upwards of $750,000 when currently it's

3041
06:24:11,650 --> 06:24:11,650
generating $50,000. Okay. The property was acquired prior to obtaining the or

3042
06:24:22,050 --> 06:24:22,050
applying for the tif dollars, or did they apply for the tif dollars before acquiring the
Property?

3043
06:24:29,920 --> 06:24:29,920
that's correct. The developer acquired the property first.

3044
06:24:34,240 --> 06:24:34,240
okay. And so when the developer acquired the property,
Their intention was to build a multifamily

3045
06:24:45,200 --> 06:24:45,200
development without incentives. Or what was the initial?

3046
06:24:51,360 --> 06:24:51,360
you'd have to ask the developer if you'd like to direct that question to the developer.

3047
06:24:57,520 --> 06:25:01,000
sir. Good afternoon. Thank you for your time. We bought it out of foreclosure, so it was really more about a land type play.

3048
06:25:06,680 --> 06:25:06,680
we felt that we were buying it at a very depressed value,
So we could then in turn sell it to a number of different types of users.

3049
06:25:14,200 --> 06:25:14,200
the intent was not to build what we're proposing today. Thank you.

3050
06:25:20,280 --> 06:25:20,280
and would you be able to build the development without the incentives or at a reduced.

3051
06:25:30,270 --> 06:25:34,270
dollar that's being requested. No, 100%. Not not possible. Thank you. Is there anyone else would like to speak for or against?

3052
06:25:38,030 --> 06:25:38,030
agenda item 21? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye.

3053
06:25:42,350 --> 06:25:42,350
any opposed? The eyes have a record vote, please.

3054
06:25:46,790 --> 06:25:46,790
oh, I couldn't really tell you. I could tell,
But you know, what?

3055
06:25:53,750 --> 06:25:53,750
do you guys want to have a record vote? Anybody have an objection to it?

3056
06:25:58,950 --> 06:25:58,950
paul, does your dog have any objection to us having a record vote?

3057
06:26:03,790 --> 06:26:06,630
paul's dog said no. A record vote, so we're not going to have it. All right. Moving on. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We'll now move back to public hearing.

3058
06:26:11,150 --> 06:26:11,150
9ph9. P nine is a public hearing to receive comments

3059
06:26:21,030 --> 06:26:21,030
to amend ordinance number 20860. City of dallas thoroughfare plan to one.

3060
06:26:28,770 --> 06:26:28,770
challenge to one. Change the designation of wheatland road from the dallas lancaster city
Limit line to lancaster road from a four lane,

3061
06:26:37,770 --> 06:26:37,770
undivided residential collector roadway within 60ft of right of way and 40ft of pavement.

3062
06:26:44,530 --> 06:26:44,530
m dash for dash you to a special four lane, undivided community collector roadway in 96ft
Of right of way with a bicycle

3063
06:26:54,450 --> 06:26:54,450
facility and two at wheatland road from university hills boulevard to the dallas lancaster
Lancaster city limit line as a special four

3064
06:27:04,210 --> 06:27:04,210
lane, undivided community collector roadway in 96ft of right of way with a bicycle
Facility and at the close of the public hearing,

3065
06:27:13,770 --> 06:27:16,850
authorized an ordinance implementing the change. This is your item. There are no registered speakers for this item.

3066
06:27:20,810 --> 06:27:20,810
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council.

3067
06:27:25,240 --> 06:27:28,040
no speakers, mr. Mayor. All right. Is there a motion? Page nine. Yes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Yes. I move to approve the thoroughfare plan
Amendment as recommended by the city plan commission with the following change the

3068
06:27:37,320 --> 06:27:37,320
designation of wheatland road from dallas lancaster city limit line to lancaster road is
Changed to a special four lane,

3069
06:27:45,000 --> 06:27:45,000
undivided community collector road and 80ft of right of way with a bicycle facility.

3070
06:27:53,520 --> 06:27:56,040
is there a second? All right. So moved and seconded. Mr. Blair, you want the floor for five minutes to explain your motion? Anyone want to
Speak on for or against item nine?

3071
06:28:03,440 --> 06:28:05,880
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Eyes have it. All right, madam secretary. Next item.

3072
06:28:08,480 --> 06:28:12,240
thank you, mr. Mayor. That concludes your items for this agenda. You do have a couple of remaining open microphone speakers.

3073
06:28:15,560 --> 06:28:15,560
I will first see if they are present. Jennifer sanchez is not online.

3074
06:28:21,040 --> 06:28:24,150
jennifer sanchez. Not in the audience. Not present. I'm here. Okay. Miss sanchez, your video is not displaying.

3075
06:28:34,150 --> 06:28:34,150
okay. Let me recite the speaker guidelines. I'm sorry.

3076
06:28:42,190 --> 06:28:42,190
speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum, and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

3077
06:28:47,870 --> 06:28:47,870
any speaker making personal, impertinent, profane,
Or slanderous remarks, or who or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council

3078
06:28:55,350 --> 06:28:59,230
will be removed from the room for those individual or the individual that is in person. For those virtual speakers, you'll be removed from the session.

3079
06:29:03,030 --> 06:29:06,150
you will be given three minutes to speak in person. Speakers. You'll notice the time on the monitor at the podium.

3080
06:29:08,830 --> 06:29:11,990
virtual speakers I will announce when your time has expired. Also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments

3081
06:29:19,510 --> 06:29:22,500
to mayor johnson only. Miss sanchez, you may continue. You may begin. Thank you. Good afternoon. Mayor,
Council members.

3082
06:29:27,940 --> 06:29:27,940
jenny sanchez and I'm the dfw organizer for the civil rights project.

3083
06:29:32,260 --> 06:29:32,260
and I'm here today to urge you to reconsider continuing funding for flock surveillance
Cameras in dallas.

3084
06:29:37,540 --> 06:29:37,540
what began in 2022 as cameras costing $820,000,
Has now expanded to more than 600 cameras across our city through a three year,

3085
06:29:46,580 --> 06:29:46,580
$5.7 million contract approved on the consent agenda.

3086
06:29:51,220 --> 06:29:51,220
of that, nearly 3.9 million came directly from dallas general fund.

3087
06:29:55,940 --> 06:29:55,940
we're told these cameras are placed based on crime patterns and investigative value,
But investigative value for who?

3088
06:30:02,580 --> 06:30:02,580
dallas police department has refused to provide clear statistics about what crimes are
Actually being solved,

3089
06:30:07,460 --> 06:30:10,980
or how effective this massive surveillance system truly is. What we do know is these cameras generate nearly 1.5 billion license plate reads every
Single year.

3090
06:30:16,980 --> 06:30:16,980
that data is stored for 365 days and shared with outside agencies,
Including the u.s.

3091
06:30:22,480 --> 06:30:22,480
postal inspector's office. And while dpd says they do not share data with ice,
They admitted before the community police oversight board in december 2025,

3092
06:30:30,640 --> 06:30:34,320
the ice could still gain indirect access to this information. We have seen this happen in other locations. For example,
Huffman isd's flock cameras were accessed by 3100 agencies.

3093
06:30:41,600 --> 06:30:41,600
agencies in tennessee, georgia, florida and indiana conducted 620 immigration related
Searches using huffman isd's flock cameras.

3094
06:30:50,560 --> 06:30:50,560
that means our neighbors, including immigrant families who are already here,
Can be tracked without ever being accused of a crime.

3095
06:30:58,000 --> 06:30:58,000
no judicial warrant is required once your information enters the system. No probable
Cause,

3096
06:31:02,160 --> 06:31:02,160
no judge, just constant surveillance. So we have to ask,
What's the value of a solved crime if the cost is the erosion of civil liberties,

3097
06:31:09,320 --> 06:31:12,400
privacy rights, and the safety of vulnerable communities. And we should also ask, what else could dallas do with $3.9 million?

3098
06:31:16,710 --> 06:31:16,710
that amount could fully fund contractual services for dallas animal services,
Provide critical ms medical supplies for dallas fire rescue,

3099
06:31:23,950 --> 06:31:23,950
support housing and community services, or expand library programing for families and
Children.

3100
06:31:28,990 --> 06:31:28,990
I urge this council to stop expanding the surveillance network and instead invest in
Services that actually make our communities safer,

3101
06:31:35,910 --> 06:31:35,910
healthier and stronger. Thank you.

3102
06:31:57,790 --> 06:31:57,790
tia. It's not present. This concludes your open microphone speakers for this meeting,
Mr.

3103
06:32:03,710 --> 06:32:07,710
mayor. All right. Is there any more business before the council today? There's no further business, mr. Mayor. All right. Well,
The time is 5:10 p.m. And this meeting is adjourned. Thank you everyone.