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You're watching the meeting of the dallas city council with mayor eric l johnson.

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mayor pro tem jesse moreno, deputy mayor pro tem gay donnell willis city council members
Chad west,

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zarin d gracey maxie johnson, jaime. Resendez,
Laura.

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cadena, adam. Bazaldua. Lori blair. Paula. Blackmon.

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cathy stewart. William roth cara mendelsohn. Paul e ridley.

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city manager. Kimberly bizor tolbert. City secretary billy ray johnson and interim city
Attorney bert vandenberg.

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okay, we have a quorum. Good morning. Today is wednesday,
June the 3rd, 2026.

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the time is 9:27 a.m.. And I now call this meeting of the dallas city council to order.

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this morning, I think our colleague is going to give us our invocation this morning.

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chairman maxie johnson, who represents district four. He's also the pastor of the new morning star missionary baptist church in west dallas.

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I'm gonna turn it over to him for our invocation,
And then we'll have our pledge of allegiance to both the united states flag and the texas

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flag. So if you're ready, chairman johnson, I'll turn it over to you now.

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good morning. Good morning. Let us stand. This

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past week we experienced some tragedy in southern dallas.

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and for a moment, can we just have a moment of silence for those that lost their lives?

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ninth street. Father, we thank you this morning.

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we thank you because you blessed us to see another day that wasn't promised to us.

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god, we thank you because even though we don't understand some of the tragedy that happens
In our community,

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we still trust you even when we can't trace you. God, we ask that you continue to bless us. Bless those families that lost loved ones.

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god, sometimes our frustration comes from the lack of understanding,
The lack of knowing.

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but god, we know that you are in control of it all.

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there's no problem. Too big you cannot solve. There's no pain on earth. You cannot heal. And so this morning,
We call on you because you told us to call on you and cast our cares on you because you

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care for us. So god, we ask that you bless every family,
Every daughter, every son, every nephew,

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every cousin in the community that are feeling this grief and the pain of the loss.

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god, we pray for our mayor. We pray for his family. We pray for our city manager. We pray for our council.

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and most of all, we pray for our entire city. When it seemed like division is is high, personal agendas over what you've called us to do
Sometimes seems like it gets the

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news. But god, we know. One thing for sure is that at the end of the day,
You still control it all.

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and so god, as we lift up our cities, we lift up our communities. We ask that you bless us. We ask that you let your will be done,
Lord, not our will.

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now god, we call on you again and we thank you in advance. We lift up that hem up that says, father, we stretch our hands to thee.

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no other help. We know if you withdraw thyself from us. God, where should we go? We call on that grace.

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that's amazing. Grace. How sweet the sound. That saved a wretch like us.

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once was lost. But now we found god. We thank you. We was blind but now we see. We call on you,
God.

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because if there's ever a time we need you, lord. We need you right now. With the hate that we see in our country, with the division that we see bring us together,

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god let us know that god, despite of our differences,
We are uniquely joined together.

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continue to bless our city, continue to bless our communities.

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continue to bless our children. Continue to bless our country. God, let your love shine. This is what we ask now,
God, as we go about this day, anoint us to do your will and your work.

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help us deny ourselves and keep you forward. It's in your son.

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we pray in your holy name. Amen. The

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flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.

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one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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under the texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas one state under god, one and indivisible.

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thank you everyone. You may be seated. Alright,
So before we begin

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today, we have a couple of announcements from our city manager,
Kimberly tolbert.

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so I'll turn it over to our city manager now. Good morning, mr. Mayor. City council, thank you so very much.

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we would like to start with two recognitions this morning. And the first one that I would like to do is to recognize the dallas fire rescue medic
Teams.

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can you guys please come forward?

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this morning, we are recognizing the members of our dallas fire rescue medic teams and the
Crisis intervention team for extraordinary display of compassion,

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professionalism and service to our dallas residents. To a dallas resident during one of the most difficult moments.

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please join me today in recognizing jerome jones,
Crystal thomas shaun blackwell, lieutenant clinton

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page, amber simms, michelle figueroa, and the entire office of emergency management and
Crisis

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response team. This team, along with many of our partners,
Work together to support many across our city,

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but most recently, they supported a grieving mother following the tragic loss of her 22
Year old son.

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after learning of her son's drowning, this mother found herself facing grief and emotional
Trauma.

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what followed was not simply an emergency response. It was a coordinated effort by multiple city employees and community partners to ensure
That she was cared for,

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supported and connected to all the resources that she needed. So over the course of several days, these teams provided crisis intervention,
Emotional support,

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transportation assistance, housing stabilization,
Mental health referrals, and ongoing advocacy.

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they remained present through moments of intense grief,
Panic, uncertainty, and they helped this family navigate an incredibly painful

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situation with dignity and compassion. What stands out most about this story is that no
One stopped at doing only what was required.

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these employees continued to show up. They continue to look for solutions,
And they continue to ask what else could be done to help.

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their actions reflect the very best of public service. Every day, our first responders, our crisis intervention professionals encounter people
Facing some of the hardest moments of their lives.

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while much of that work happens quietly and often goes unseen,
It changes lives in a very profound way.

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this response demonstrated exceptional teamwork,
Collaboration, empathy, and a deep commitment to serving others.

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and because of their efforts, a grieving mother not only got immediate support,
But she had access to ongoing services and

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greater stability during this tremendous loss loss. So on behalf of the city of dallas, I wanted to stop and publicly thank this team.

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thank you for your professionalism, your compassion,
And thank you for the care that you continue to show to the residents of our great city.

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and we are very proud of the work that you do. God bless you all.

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if you all wouldn't mind coming inside of the railing for a photograph with the council.

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michael here is going to remove that stanchion so you can come inside here.

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so don't don't all come at once. I'm quickly.

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mr. Mayor, we have another recognition that I would like to to take a moment for.

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and this is the last one. I'd like to take a moment to recognize several individuals and
Organizations whose generosity continues to strengthen one of the most visible and beloved

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units of the dallas police department, our mounted patrol unit,
And they come in right on down.

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thank you so very much for being here today. Our mounted officers play a unique role in
Public safety,

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whether they're patrolling special events, supporting crowd management efforts,
Engaging with residents,

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or simply serving as a highly visible presence in our community.

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they help build connections between the dallas police department and the people that it
Serves.

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maintaining a mounted unit requires significant resources,
And these donations from the individuals that you see standing here this morning have

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really helped us continue the work and investments in public safety and community
Partnership.

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so today, we are recognizing several donors whose contributions have helped provide
Horses,

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equipment and support for the dallas police department's mounted unit.

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so I'm going to practice these names. The first one,
Please say thank you to salim az-zahra.

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president of texas de brazil, for donating horse chase and a full set of tack.

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buddy kramer, the owner of katy trail ice house and lucky dog saloon.

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pasha heydari and sina heydari with the las palmas and baldwin house,
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generously helped make rocky's addition to the mounted unit possible.

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wayne joseph, co-founder of artisan design group for donating the horse chase chase chase
Chase,

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chase. Okay. By the way, they named these horses origin bank,
Represented today by the north texas president warrie birdwell

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and executive vice president of business development todd cornelius for donating the
Horse.

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khalid. We would like to acknowledge and thank the many additional donors who

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contributed to this effort, whether through donations,
Equipment and other support.

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your generosity has helped to ensure that this important unit remains well equipped to
Serve dallas residents and visitors alike.

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these contributions are a reminder that public safety is strongest when it is supported by
Partnerships.

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the city of dallas is very fortunate to have community leaders and organizations who are
Willing to invest in people,

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programs and resources that keep our city safe. So on behalf of the city of dallas, thank you so very much for your generosity.

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thank you for your civic leadership and your continued support of the dallas police
Department and the residents that we serve every day.

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city council mr. Mayor, will you please join me in recognizing these wonderful
Individuals? Thank you so much.

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all right. I'm going to ask you guys to come inside the railing as well for a photograph
With the council, if you don't mind. So thank you very much.

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all right. I'm told that was the last of our special presentation. So as members make their way back to their seats.

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and thank you all for being here to our guests. We're going to now move on to our open microphone speakers.

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madam secretary, as before I do that, I just want to tell everyone who's here,
Since we do have a pretty good sized audience today and all of our all of

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our colleagues here on the council that I know that today we have some things that we're
Going to be hearing about and talking about during open microphone

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speakers that people care a lot about a lot of passion,
Which is great. And I'm glad everyone's here. Just want to make sure everyone knows that we do have rules,

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though, about outbursts and about loud demonstrations and things like that.

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we're trying to maintain an efficient meeting and,
And so I'm going to try to maintain decorum today,

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but I don't want to, I don't want to ask anybody to leave today. I want everybody to stay and I want everybody to participate.

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but I also want us to represent our city well. And I want us to to take care of our business in a way that I think is becoming and,
And befitting our city.

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so I'm just going to ask everyone to do their part to help me run an efficient and
Decorous meeting today.

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so, madam secretary, if you wouldn't mind, two minutes,
I think, if we're going to have.

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okay. Thank you, mr. Mayor, and good morning. The dallas city council will now hear its first five registered speakers.

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I will recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

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any speaker making personal, impertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,
Or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council will be removed from the room.

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for those individuals who are in person for those virtual speakers. You will be removed from the session. Individuals will be given two minutes to speak.

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for those in-person speakers, you will notice the time on the monitor at the podium.

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when your time is up, please stop. For those virtual speakers. I will announce when your time has expired. Also,
Speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,

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you are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments
To mayor johnson.

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only first speaker carole bill walton. Hooray for valley view!

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I am so excited. After more than a decade, maybe two decades of vacant urban blight,
We're going to have a build out up

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in north dallas and this is so exciting. We did lose the dallas stars in the process
Through the nonsense,

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through the subterfuge. And that's a loss. And it falls squarely at the feet of this city
Council.

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it falls at the feet of this city manager. You guys lost us,
The dallas stars, and that's the bottom line.

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you've also destroyed the trust in our city government by using the economic development
Council in order to bypass required rfps and transparency

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through a shadow government, a shadowy government. I was most disappointed, though, and that's disappointing.

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but I was most disappointed that so many of you were going to bail on c-cap our plan for
Environmental sustainability and

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health. I'm hoping that the mavericks choice will will help us.

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spare us the economic disaster of tearing down city hall,
And we have no idea of the pollution impact of that.

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it's the great unknown. We know that there would be 2000 trucks,
2000 plus trucks of debris that would cause that would accelerate

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pavement fatigue. And we pay about $1 million a mile for our street.

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so that's that. We don't have to worry about that. And the particulate matter in the air. Well,
This wheezing asthmatic fears the loss of the little air quality we have,

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and we just don't have any to spare. I stand to make no financial gain.

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I've never taken a payment. I've never been seduced by a cougar.

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don't valley view my city hall. Don't make your time this vacant.

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thank you. Joey newbury. Joey newbury is not online.

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joy newberry is not in the audience. Not present. Mark nunley. Mark nunley is not present.

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sana. Saeed.

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bilierae. Remind me where the time is. Two minutes. My time. Is it 2 or 3? Okay. Got it, I see him.

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good morning, mayor and council. I'm here in my capacity as president of the farmers
Market stakeholders association and a downtown dallas resident.

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the arlington cowboys, the valley view mavs,
The plano stars, neiman marcus gunn.

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fox four. News. Gone. At&t gone almost all on the watch of the people sitting before us
Today.

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what a painful and embarrassing week for this city.

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the tragedy mayor is that we had some council members actively work against the urban core
And the black and brown communities in this city.

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the tragedy is that there is so much infighting on this council that people who drive
Those catalyst level developments don't want to come here.

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the tragedy is that civic groups attacked neighbors instead of building consensus,
And are willing to sacrifice all of downtown for one

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building. They have pro bono attorneys helping them from plano.

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and while the city was fighting, plano was plotting and plano one. They will reap the benefits of the stars and mavs for decades,
And our taxes will have to go up to make up for the catastrophic economic loss that we're

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about to face. So what is the plan now to connect downtown to southern dallas for economic
Opportunity?

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what is the plan? What is the plan for the repairs for this building?

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that apparently will be the last thing left in downtown. What are we doing? Downtown's rarely die from a single blow.

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they fade when vision is replaced by complacency,
When short term politics outweigh long term stewardship,

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and when each loss is treated as an isolated event rather than a warning.

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mayor, I want to thank the city manager and the people on this council who fought for
Downtown.

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the fight is not over. I don't want to see people on tv talking about what a win this week
Was.

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I want to see you all on tv this week. We don't have five years to figure this out. When the buildings are empty, we have five days.

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please fix this and save the mavs in downtown. They belong in downtown dallas. Thank you. County commissioner john wiley price sure,
I.

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mr. Mayor. Madam manager, madam secretary, members of the dallas city council.

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john wiley price, dallas county commissioner representing downtown dallas.

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2004. I inherited a little brown site on the west end,
And at that particular time it had $1 billion

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worth of value. 25 years later, it now has $5 billion worth of

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value, even though it has not grown at the same rate as uptown and others.

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the west end, where the american airlines center is,
Has grown.

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the downtown dallas freeway core is about 1.4mi² and has between 15 and 16,000 full time
Residents.

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interestingly, downtown areas of san diego and fort worth,
The cities closest to dallas and total population could not be more different.

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fort worth downtown is a ten square mile and smaller if you just consider its core center.

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they call sundance square, home to between only 3 to 5000 people.

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san diego's downtown is one of the largest and most residential downtowns in the western
United states.

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at over five square miles and somewhere between 35 to 40,000 people.

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sunbelt city dallas compares most closely to is phoenix and houston.

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it's closer in size with that 1.7mi². But like dallas,
Downtown phoenix has grown dramatically from fewer than

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10,000 people in 2000 to 35,000 now. Also downtown dallas,
Like.

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well, you can't say much in two minutes and apparently don't want to hear. But my point is, is that dallas has done well.

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this council has done well in terms of making sure that growth downtown dallas is on a
Plan.

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thank you. Joanna hampton it's not online in the audience.

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good morning, honorable mayor. Members of the city council. Joanna hampton, 5408 swiss avenue. The upcoming consideration for city hall has been
Presented as a data driven review to provide the most fiscally

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responsible path for residents. However, in your may 20th briefing,
A vote would actually be a wholesale renovation to class a standards based on the aecom

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report. This is not what council requested for prior review that prioritizes the most
Critical needs for city hall and city hall plaza.

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well defined. Efficient functional space for council,
City staff and the public for city services are a must for city hall.

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that does not equate with luxury class a standards which are rarely used for government
Buildings such as city hall.

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with the recent announcement of valley view as a site for the new mavericks arena,
This is an opportunity to refocus discussions on downtown planning,

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capitalizing on the I-30 reconfiguration, reconnecting southern dallas in the cedars with
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with the adoption of the fair park area. Plan. Potential redbird funding through the new arena.

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I urge the council to focus on the resource that city hall is.

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it is a downtown employment anchor. Anchor. It can have a reimagined plaza.

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vibrant public spaces that make that connection possible. This is the once in a generation opportunity.

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invest in planning now for downtown that includes cedars and southern dallas residents,
As well as downtown and farmers market residents,

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business and civic leaders. This planning would leverage the opportunity of the valley
View fair park barbell,

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tiff, excuse me, valley view, redbird barbell,
Tiff and bookend investments in the southern sector.

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complete the planning. Pursue the funding for I-30 bridge parks. Further strengthen the convention center connection already underway.

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this is a win win win for downtown, for southern dallas and for our entire city.

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thank you. Thank you. Kenny brown.

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good morning, good afternoon, good morning, mayor,
City council members and distinguished guests.

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thank you for allowing me to speak today. My name is kenisha,
Though most people know me as kenny,

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and I'm here today in support of lala johnson and tina fest. Before I begin, I want to acknowledge that simply standing before you today is something I
Don't take for granted.

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I am currently recovering from significant injuries sustained in a recent accident,
And every step I take reminds me of how quickly life can change.

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but when I learned that lala would be standing before council advocating for tina fest,
I knew I needed to be here because that's exactly what lala does.

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she shows up. She shows up. For more than 13 years,
Lala has worked alongside cultural icon erykah badu while dedicating herself to

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uplifting artists, preserving culture, creating opportunities for our community.

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today, I'm asking the city of dallas to invest in that cultural story that already belongs
To this city.

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people from all over the world visit that grassy knoll with that famous x in downtown
Dallas.

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but just one mile away, there's another historic moment that took place. Not the end of a story, but the beginning of one.

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it was here in dallas that tina turner began one of the most powerful reinventions in
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that story belongs to dallas. Yet many people don't know what happened here.

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tina fest is changing that. As dallas welcomed visitors,
Visitors from around the world during fifa world cup,

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tina fest offers a unique opportunity to showcase the story that other cities cannot tell.

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today, I respectfully ask for your leverage,
Your network, your resources and influence to partner with tina fest by supporting the

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designation of july 3rd as tina turner day, along with assistance with the production
Support necessary to make tina fest a free event for dallas

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residents and visitors looking to make see what makes dallas special.

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we're not asking for a handout. We're offering an opportunity. An opportunity to strengthen the community. Thank you for your time.

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thank you. This concludes your first five register speakers.

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mr. Mayor, I move that we suspend the rules and allow the remainder of the speakers to
Speak now.

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is there any objection? Hearing none so ordered. We'll hear all the speakers. Thank you. Thank you,
Mr.

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mayor. The next speaker, sidney walker.

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sidney walker, 2245 jordan street 75215. So people that look like me are very unhappy
About the mavericks going to valley view

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and saying that the stadium was supposed to be the economic engine for south dallas.

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fair park is the economic engine for south dallas.

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and I want to remind council that 20% of the hot tax voted november 2022 is supposed to

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go to fair park up to $325 million. I went to councilman west and johnson's

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meeting about the viaducts. I thought the project for the convention center was quoted at
$3.08

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billion, but robert wilonsky wrote $3.8 billion in the dallas morning news.

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that goes over the amount that the voters voted on.

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where's our money for fair park? Because we need the development.

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we need the economics. We need the businesses. We need to turn robert b cullum into west davis like bishop arts.

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we want our money. We want our engine. We don't want to wait 20 more years.

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when south dallas finally becomes the west dallas trinity grove,
Or the next hot spot for entertainment district,

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because we continue to be forgotten. And I grew up here.

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I don't want to say my age, but I done seen a lot,
Seen it at a peak in my time and the demise during my adult years.

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we want our money. We want our economic engine. And don't you dare think about selling this building to pay for fair park,
Because only half of the profit will come to us and the rest goes to the pension.

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so remember your math when it comes to these dollars. Thank you, peter johnson. Peter johnson it's not present.

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sam williams.

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sam williams district nine. Here to speak in support of preserving city hall and investing
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I think there's been a narrative of only one generation having interest in maintaining our
City assets.

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I'm here to dispel that belief within the context of a city budget attempting to juggle
Core services like libraries and housing,

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an annual line item for rent doesn't seem financially viable. As an experienced renter, paying more and more of my income to my housing is rent rises.

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I can't advise handing away our permanent residents at this point free of charge.

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speaking of rent, more and more of this rust conversation feels like a way to prop up or
Bail out development interests in the area that have been slow to react in a post-covid

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and office space world. If we're concerned about cutting off parts of the city,
Perhaps we should examine the convention center,

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siphoning money away from our voter approved bonds for fair park,
And actively currently proposing to cut off transit services into the city and avenues

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into the city. This does not mean we must keep the current status quo.

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when the city solicited designs to reimagine the area. We received hundreds of designs and ideas. Some of the most exciting of them came from
Student organizations.

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again, young, hopeful professionals that can see a world where the city hall is vibrant.

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driving to the building. Today I passed multiple vacant fenced lots held with no activity
For years.

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if we are concerned about lack of investment in the city,
Maybe that's a place to start.

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thanks. Thank you. Speaker, what I'm going to do now,
If I call your name, I ask that you come forward and have a seat on the first three

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rows of this intersection. Jim. Anderson. Stephanie.

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drinka. Miriam. Miriam. Sharma. Scott. Springer.

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amir. Pepic. Jedediah. Ulrich. Mick. Wise. Wise.

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dirk. Is canceled. Shawn. Buckley. Ariana. Smith.

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ifani. Jay. Brenda. Gurumoorthy. Muhammad. Abdullah.

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ronnie. Mestas, alexander. Stein, lauren. Willis,
Alicia.

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allen, cookie. Peden, cynthia. Michaels, and jake. Smith. Jim. Anderson. If you. Jim anderson, you may come to the podium.

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my name is jim anderson. 4706 swiss avenue, dallas.

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I'm an urban planner, a city of dallas urban planner for 26 years,
Starting in 1984 when dallas city hall was only six years old.

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I was dallas historic preservation officer. I was here for prince charles visit to 1500
Moreno the cowboys super bowl

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celebration, robocop and a very young jim anderson went to the big beach party.

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now that the mavs have chosen valley view, we have the luxury of time.

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civic architecture exists to symbolize democratic transparency,
Not corporate power.

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it is hard to imagine any office tower providing adequate civic space or security.

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it's disturbing that your briefing today is not about critical repairs at all,
But upgrades to office space that is not in keeping with the heart and soul of public

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service. My career as an urban planner taught me to prioritize.

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how would removing city hall and its workforce do anything to improve downtown's budget?

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we must focus on our efforts and budget more wisely. Now that we have the luxury of time, we must remind ourselves that the heart of public
Service is to take care of what we own.

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fix the water infiltration, replace the generators,
Tend to the roof, and take the rest in time in bite sized chunks.

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the people will support this. They will love you for it. Today we are looking for heroes. Thank you. Thank you.

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guys, I want to remind folks that we won't have outbursts.

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thank you. Stephanie drinka. Good morning. My name is stephanie drinka,
Executive director of the dallas asian american historical

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society. June is national immigrant heritage month.

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at a moment when enormous public resources are being used to target immigrant communities,

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we should be investing that energy to honor their contributions. So I'm here to share the story of asian american immigrant yao ming pei,
Whose name in chinese means to inscribe brightly.

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I am pei arrived in the united states in 1935 at just 18 years old,
During a time shaped by exclusionary immigration laws and racial discrimination.

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he earned his architecture degree from mit, completed graduate studies at harvard,
And rose to become one of the world's most influential architects.

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pei met his wife, eileen liu, while they were students. They remained married for 72 years until her death.

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commitment like this is almost impossible to fathom in today's society,
Where we treat people as disposable art,

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as temporary and preservation as an afterthought rather than building something that
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but to pei, architecture was life, and he instilled the same values of endurance in each
Of his works.

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he received the presidential medal of freedom,
Our nation's highest civilian honor, for the legacy of artistic elegance.

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he is inscribed on our cities, including dallas,
Where he designed this very city hall pay spoke in an interview about his subsequent

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visits after it was built. He always went to the second floor. People asked him why he made that public space so extravagant.

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people only come here to pay taxes or water bills,
They said.

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he would reply precisely this is a people city hall. You don't build it for the mayor. You don't build it for the council.

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you build it for the people. They're the ones who should enjoy it. Dallas city hall belongs to the people. It is not yours to sell or to destroy,
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his design. Your legacy is now tied to his and this building.

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so my question then is, how will you be remembered? Thank you. Thank you, miriam sharma.

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good morning. My name is miriam sharma and I appreciate the opportunity to speak as a
Mother,

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as a nurse and as a community safety advocate. I want to invite you to recognize gun violence awareness day this friday,
June 5th, 2026,

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to honor the victims of gun violence and stand in solidarity with survivors.

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firearm injuries are the leading cause of death for children and teens in texas and in the
United states,

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and gun suicide accounts for 58% of all gun deaths in texas.

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more than half of all gun deaths are suicides in the dallas county community health needs
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an area of great need was behavioral health. I appreciate our city leadership for your
Support of organizations and initiatives that aim to improve behavioral

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health. I was heartbroken to learn that one of our own,
Sylvia collins, died tragically in the gas explosion in oak cliff on thursday.

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miss collins had supported and volunteered with us in moms demand action for gun sense in
America.

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for several years, she supported and volunteered with so many organizations,
And I've been pondering what all of these organizations have in common.

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they all seem to push for the well-being and safety of everyone. So my hope is that she would be pleased to see us here today advocating for the well-being
Of safety,

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well-being, and safety of everyone in our community,
Giving a voice to those who no longer have theirs to bring awareness to gun violence.

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because acknowledging a problem is the first step in solving it.

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I believe we are stronger when we work together. I invite everyone to wear orange on gun violence awareness day this friday,
June 5th.

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thank you for your time. Thank you. Scott. Sprayer.

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scott sprayer is not present. Emir pepik. Good morning.

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thank you for the opportunity to talk. I'm seeing that we allowed in protecting the
Criminals in

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dallas, texas, since my vehicle being stolen three months ago.

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police ignoring if I would call them to do anything positive to protect us.

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they will show up three hours later. If I will show you. Where is all this gun violence? Illegal. Illegal casinos human trafficking.

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we support that, actually. We build ourselves problems. Our police shows up or don't show up on our phone calls.

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my vehicle being stolen for three months. City is actually damaged me in this point.

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police damaging me. Actually don't supporting me. They supporting and protecting the criminals.

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meaning that our police officers after work go and protect the clubs where it's possible
That we have human trafficking men's clubs and things like that.

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that's a shame how we can allow something like that and celebrate those officers.

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I'm expecting to be protected in this country. I'm a huge taxpayer. You guys are allowing that somebody come and rob me.

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why is this is how I functioning? If I call any of our institutions,
You guys behaving.

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some people behaving like they are, they own that. Like I'm asking for favor. No, that's their job.

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we pay them out of our taxes. They should just do it and help.

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but if you call them on the phone or something like that,
No, they will they will act like they're doing you a favor.

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it's not a favor. Favor is like helping somebody to move the move the furniture.

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that's a favor. But when somebody is paid with my tax money to do his job and file the
Stolen vehicle,

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there is nobody there and they're not there. Thank you ma'am.

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have a great day. Thank you. Jedidiah ulrich.

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hello, my. Hello. We can hear you and see you.

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you may continue. Awesome. Thank you. Yes. Now that the the genocidal owned basketball
Team elephant is

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out of the city and feeling betrayed by the stars,
Moving to a city that really can't plan their own space.

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so they're desperate for anything they can get. We can talk about city hall, and I'm all in on repairs,
Because right now, this city deserves the city hall deserves to be an anchor,

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a focal point for the entire city. Because you want to talk about losing taxpayer dollars.

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because, for starters, I'm not going to drive up and commute to any of these arenas and
Get bled with parking rates and being stuck with an hour of traffic.

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taking out of my life only for all these different. Mainly plano. Probably fitting the bill for a lot of things.

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I'm tired of sports franchises leeching upon our city,
And we have to be beholden to them.

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and I assure you that the same will happen to anyone you sell city hall to.

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only for y'all to rent out space by corporate skyscrapers and landlords,
Spreading our departments all over the place.

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meanwhile, you're high above god's green earth where you can't see us protesting on the
Foot of city hall,

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wherever that may be in the future. This is a anchor point for the city you have a chance
To do,

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and there's plenty of corporate hawks salivating to get my cat salivating to take over
That space and turn it into an amusement park.

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you're more focused on turning the city of dallas into an amusement park for revenue only
To price us the people that live here.

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you have a chance to invest in parks, arts and culture. Shout out to cure for paranoia for making npr tiny desk.

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we're here. We're living here. We are not going to turn our city into an amusement park.

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if you let these hawks in, they're going to start creeping into the cedars in the south
Dallas and exploiting these neighborhoods.

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you have plenty of vacant lots around there that turn city hall and that neighborhood and
An elaborate,

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extravagant place for small businesses. You're going to price out the people who are
Trying to live and stay here.

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that's your time. I'm tired of this. Thank you. Thank you. Mike weisberg has canceled shaun buckley.

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mr. Buckley is online. Shaun buckley.

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mr.. Mr. Buckley, can you hear me? Yes. Can you hear me?

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okay, we can see you. Can you hear me, mr. Buckley?

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yes, I can. I apologize. Okay. You may begin. Two minutes. I was not able to be there in person.

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I had to fly to chicago this morning for work. But I'm sean buckley. I'm a resident and property owner downtown.

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I own one of the four story townhomes here in the farmer's market,
Right across from rubles.

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and I look out at city hall out of my front windows.

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not only a homeowner downtown, I'm also an equity partner of one of the largest law firms
Still in the central business district.

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our firm has multiple floors in the comerica bank tower or whatever will be the america
Bank tower once they leave.

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I urge city council to do whatever is needed to keep both of our teams here.

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to the extent there's any fraction of hope for that,
This city council has dragged its feet to the detriment of this city on 7000

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studies of what could be. And the time has run out.

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this council has a once in a generation opportunity to actually do something,
And I would hope that you would come together and do so and do what is needed to prevent

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downtown from imploding on itself. Use the fort worth model.

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find a tower that has modern amenities and makes people actually want to show up to city
Hall work and be proud of their civic contributions.

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thank you. Thank you, ariana smith. Good

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morning. My name is ariana smith and I'm a downtown dallas resident.

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nearly four years ago, my husband and I chose to buy a home near the farmer's market
Because we believed in the future of downtown dallas.

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at that time, there was optimism and momentum. Signs announced new restaurants and businesses,
And it seemed that a vibrant, thriving downtown was just around the corner.

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unfortunately, our experience has been quite different. Many of the businesses that were promised never opened.

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while many other businesses in the area have since closed their doors.

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just the other day, my husband and I took a walk through downtown and were struck by how
Many vacant storefronts we encountered.

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areas that once held so much potential now feel quiet,
Empty, and disconnected.

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this week, we also learned that both the mavs and the stars are planning to leave
Downtown.

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this announcement has reinforced a growing concern shared by many residents and business
Owners.

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downtown is losing the anchors that that drive activity,
Investment and economic growth.

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without meaningful action, I am certain that we will continue to see businesses struggle,
Vacancies increase and a rise in crime.

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this is why I am here today asking you all, as our city leaders,
To seize the opportunities before us,

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particularly around city hall and the surrounding area,
And create a plan for revitalization.

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the future of dallas is in your hands and the decisions you make in the coming months.

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even this just this week, the decisions you make this week will have a lasting consequence
Not only for downtown's economic health,

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but for the prosperity of our city as a whole. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:07,460
good morning, mayor and city council. I stand here before you with deep disappointment
That we were not able to keep the dallas mavericks

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in downtown dallas. While I respect it, major developments can be complicated.

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I believe this moment represents a missed opportunity for our city,
Especially for the southern part of dallas,

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where thoughtful investments could have helped drive economic growth and support local
Businesses and bring new life to an area that is struggling with this post office space

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identity. As an entrepreneur and a downtown dallas resident in the farmers market district
Myself,

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I'm seeing too many businesses leave the area,
And this includes large corporates who are also indicating their intentions to leave

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downtown dallas. A new arena downtown could have been a catalyst.

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it could have brought jobs, foot traffic, new restaurants,
New housing, new public investments and new vibes.

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more importantly, it could have served as a connective tissue tying downtown to the
Southern dallas.

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this could have helped strengthen the area of dallas that is struggling with crime,
Decay,

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and effects of long term neglect. When a part of the city is allowed to stagnate.

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it doesn't just affect appearances, it affects safety,
Confidence and everyday experience of residents and visitors alike.

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the fact is, if there's still an opportunity to save this project and invest in our city's
Core,

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particularly in a section that needs the momentum,
We should be asking ourselves why we would allow such a valuable economic engine to move

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away from a place where it could do so much good. This is much bigger than basketball or a 48 year old exhibit.

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it's about whether we are serious about revitalizing downtown and creating a safer,
Stronger city center that a world class city deserves.

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thank you. Thank you. Brenda gurumoorthy.

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good morning. My name is brenda gurumoorthy. I'm a high school math teacher the co-chair
Of the local democratic socialists of america chapter and a d1 resident.

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last week, I spoke at the city council meeting about concerns about the budget,
And today I wanted to weigh in on the city hall issue.

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recently, d magazine published a conversation about the future of downtown featuring a
Host of real estate developers and people from economic development corporations.

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and there were actually many things that I agreed with them on. They raised the issue of a lack of connectivity between downtown dallas neighborhoods,
A lack of fun things to do,

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and too many surface parking lots. As a transit rider,
A cyclist, and a pedestrian, I heartily agreed with all of those things,

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but some things that they said were cartoonishly out of touch. Like one person said that the only place they felt safe running in the city was the katy
Trail,

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which is an insane thing to say. And when the conversation turned to city hall,
Every single person in that conversation implied city hall was the one thing standing

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between us and this thriving, connected, perfect,
Pedestrian friendly downtown.

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that's the problem. I find that hard to believe. It's missing the value of city hall as a historic site,
As well as a place for people to gather and exercise their first amendment rights.

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also, there is so much potential in the area. It is more than possible to enhance the area downtown without tearing down city hall.

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there are surface parking that could be used for housing,
Retail or community spaces, and there's the ugly gash of I-30 ripping through the city

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that could be paved over with a public deck park. I'm not a professional planner, but I think that we could find ways to work it out and
Make downtown usable for the average resident,

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and not just transient guests or tourists. The city should commit to preserving city hall
And solicit resident input on revitalizing the area,

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because the people that matter to downtown are the residents,
Working people of dallas.

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they need us to thrive. Thank you. Thank you. Mohamed abdullah. Good morning, mayor and council members.

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my name is mohamed abdullah. I'm a resident of district two. I serve as the imam of the oldest mosque in north texas,
Masjid l'islam on south harwood.

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and I'm also a chaplain at children's health. I come to you today. As many residents are frustrated.

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00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,440
the stars are moving to plano. The mavericks are leaving north. I originally moved closer to downtown so that I could catch the dart from deep ellum to
American airlines.

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00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:46,720
since I moved here, the dart nearly went under and the mavs are moving north.

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:51,960
maybe I'm bad luck, but then again, I don't believe in luck.

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00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,160
I believe everything happens for a reason. So what's the reason? There's been accusations of secret meetings,
Questions about transparency, concerns about the city's direction and ongoing debates

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00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:06,640
about everything from economic development to homelessness,
And the quality of life committee and policies under the banner of public safety.

406
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,160
we're pushing homeless people out of sight to make dallas look better. A band-aid for a deep problem before the world cup.

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00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:20,680
restricting freedom programs and requiring permits doesn't solve homelessness and simply
Move suffering out of public view.

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00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,080
from one block to the blocks where I grew up in south dallas. We don't clean up dallas by hiding the homeless.

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00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:33,520
we clean up dallas by helping them. But the truth is,
What we're seeing didn't happen overnight.

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we are now bearing the fruit of seeds that were planted years ago.

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our concerns have been ignored until the consequences became impossible to ignore.

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so the question is, what do we do now? Dallas can't move forward. Divided. Can this council come together over the next year?

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can you unite around a bigger vision, bigger than politics? Can you restore public trust before the next election cycle?

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I hope so, because dallas deserves better. Dallas deserves a government that is united
Enough to solve problems instead of simply arguing about who created them.

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00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:12,880
thank you. Thank you. Ronnie. Maestas.

416
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:22,760
good morning. Mayor. Ronnie maestas, 3215 rock street,
West dallas, texas.

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00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:28,280
and what time do the mavericks play tonight? Didn't they play off or something like that
Going on? Yeah.

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00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:32,880
anyway bad joke. I'm here to ask you to reconsider.

419
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:38,520
some of y'all to your position on this city hall building.

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00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:44,040
you know, you've been presented with a lot of data,
A lot of information, some skewed, you know,

421
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:48,560
some, you know, more factual. And people that have actually worked in this building a lot
Longer than,

422
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:55,840
you know, some of y'all have been alive. Well,
Maybe not here, but, you know, you know, and,

423
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:00,200
and it's just, it's really disheartening. Now again,
Be careful what you ask for because what we got in west dallas,

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00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:07,360
and I just heard a friend of mine say something about trinity grove. We also got short
Term rentals.

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00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:11,920
we've got, you know, things that were supposed to help our community be revitalized.

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00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:18,000
and what we had in the last couple of weeks,
You know, we had three of our young people murdered in one of those buildings.

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:24,320
and that's not just the first time. So be careful what you ask for because you just might
Get it,

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00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:30,440
you know, be careful what you pray for because you might just get it.

429
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:35,160
you know, it's just the transparency, lack of has been beaten,
You know, beaten below the ground and it shouldn't be forgotten.

430
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:44,720
but, you know, you can't keep beating that because it's already everybody's aware of it,
The lack of it.

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00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,040
and I just feel like that is gathering more support for keeping this building,
You know, because of the way this process has been,

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00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:59,480
how we're going through this process. And just one last thing about the the young people
With everybody I've heard there's really not a problem with

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00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:09,250
revitalizing downtown. You know, revitalizing downtown is a must.

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00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:13,850
it should be. You know, I go to chicago. I'm going to get ready to go in a couple of
Weeks.

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00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:22,010
you know, I've been going ever since. I'll age myself since the 60s. That's your time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

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00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:25,050
alexander stein.

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00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:38,170
erik, you know who I am? I'm alex stein, the pimp on a blimp. And you should be ashamed of yourself. Erik,
You won't even look at me.

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00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:44,690
and let's just talk about all the l's you've taken first,
L you lost your hair. Second l you lost weight, then you gained it back.

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00:58:47,530 --> 00:58:50,410
third, l remember how you got caught on the ring. Ring bell. Doorbell camera, cheating on your wife nikita,
And the divorce settlement.

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00:58:55,570 --> 00:58:55,570
nikita said that you admitted that you cheated on her over 11 times,
And you paid the money to her staffer nearly $100,000.

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00:59:02,530 --> 00:59:05,330
allegedly. Well, just like your wife divorced you. Now the dallas stars have divorced you. Now the dallas mavericks have divorced you.

442
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:09,770
so how many more divorces are we going to do as your term as mayor?

443
00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:13,850
you need to really check yourself before your point of order,
Mayor, because the idea that that your point of order.

444
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:22,690
this violates our council rules and has become personal. How is it violating any rule? Listen, I'm going to ask you to go ahead and keep your
Remarks,

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00:59:27,370 --> 00:59:27,370
okay? Of course. Well, I'll just keep my remarks to the city. The fact is,
After everything you've lost in this city,

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00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:32,890
neiman marcus, at&t, the list goes on. You have the audacity to try to think that you
Deserve a new city hall.

447
00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:41,050
are you smoking crack, mayor? Because I wouldn't be surprised with some of the decisions
That you are making.

448
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:46,170
it shows that you have a lack of judgment, a lack of self-awareness,
And you should be ashamed of yourself.

449
00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:55,330
and this city has got exponentially worse with you as mayor,
Not better. And that's the only metric of success. Was this city better when you left it?

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00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:59,570
it's not going to be better when you leave. We've literally lost so many things,
All because you've been mayor.

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01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:05,290
so just think about that. You need to look yourself in the mirror. You call yourself a
Sports fan, yet you don't want to call out miriam adelson when she trades luca and doesn't

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01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:12,090
even shop him around. You don't even defend our sports teams because you're a coward and
You're a wimp.

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01:00:16,570 --> 01:00:18,890
you go cut the ribbon at the ceremony. Remember? We were at that ceremony together. So you're going to go kowtow to these teams and they
Don't care about you. They're going to go to addison.

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01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:27,890
they're going to go to plano. So all I'm going to say is this. You took a lot of l's this year. We need to stop taking l's.

455
01:00:30,690 --> 01:00:34,650
you're not going to get a new city hall. And you know you're not going to get your hair
Back. But I'll just say this on prime time alex stein.

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01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:40,530
I'm one of the few people that calls it like he sees it. And if we actually had some people up here that actually called it like they see it,
Instead of going there and pretending to go to the rnc and act like you like trump, you're

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01:00:47,050 --> 01:00:47,050
a fraud. Thank you, lauren willis. Lauren willis is not in the audience.

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01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:54,650
not online, not present. Alicia allen alicia allen is not in the audience.

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01:01:02,290 --> 01:01:02,290
not virtual. Not present. Cookie.

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01:01:18,660 --> 01:01:18,660
cookie. Cookie. 7111 debbie drive. Dallas 75252.

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01:01:24,660 --> 01:01:24,660
after sitting in this auditorium and hearing the concerns of some of our call center
Staff,

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01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:29,780
I certainly understand why they want to improve the quality of their work situation.

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01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:37,940
my hat goes off to them for the work they do. The closest thing I've ever done to working in a call center was when an american flight
Went down right before christmas in 1994.

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01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:47,020
I because I'm bilingual, I got a call to report to a cobbled together war room to handle
Calls from people who were concerned about

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01:01:56,860 --> 01:01:56,860
friends and family they had on that flight that went down for the next six weeks.

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01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:02,220
I sat in a room that was 20 by 20 with 50 other people manning phones.

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01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:08,260
I certainly understand the trauma that you feel when you have to answer phones in a call
Center.

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01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:15,500
it's been years since I've been in the call center here in this building,
But I recall in the dark ages when I was here,

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01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:24,180
that it was a pretty austere room, much like what we cobbled together in a hurry that day.

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01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:36,620
because it's the safest place in this building. There are no windows, few amenities. It's basically a bunker.

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01:02:42,020 --> 01:02:42,020
one of the safest places you could find. It would be nice if those people moved out and
They could have windows.

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01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:54,940
they could have other amenities and other niceties. But if we move them to a building that is vulnerable,
That has those windows and has those things.

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01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:03,140
what about somebody operating a drone, somebody who's been militarized and they hit that
Building and take down the entire

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01:03:13,060 --> 01:03:13,060
building? We lose our call center. We lose all of those individuals who worked so hard to
Protect this city and are so critical for first

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01:03:22,380 --> 01:03:22,380
responders. Thank you. Thank you, cynthia michaels.

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01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:31,580
good morning. I'm speaking for myself as well as heritage oak cliff as president.

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01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:35,820
first, I want to say thank you to the fabulous six council members who stepped up,
Who stopped the runaway train and slowed down the process of moving out,

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01:03:43,460 --> 01:03:43,460
demolishing, and giving away our city hall. It's because of the actions of those six on
March 4th and fifth that we have the resolution number 26-0499.

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01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:53,180
without it, I doubt that we would be here today listening to a presentation on the repair
Of city hall.

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second, as council goes into closed session,
Please take a very careful look at this report.

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01:04:03,140 --> 01:04:03,140
why are repair costs just to fix major systems double the in price of earlier quotes?

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01:04:08,980 --> 01:04:08,980
are these numbers true? Repair costs are completely replacing whole systems.

483
01:04:13,260 --> 01:04:13,260
this report isn't a repair program, but prioritizing critical needs.

484
01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:18,180
the report is a plan to fully renovate city hall into a class a office building.

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01:04:22,940 --> 01:04:22,940
interesting fact. The city manager herself told the consultants they were required to use
A aecom.

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01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:29,460
cbre numbers. Report shows how to repair city hall for less than $100 million over ten
Years.

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01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:39,460
in this phase two report cost 600 million. As you know,
I had previously previously worked for the city of dallas as assistant director of

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01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:50,580
facilities architect and engineering. She certainly knows this building. If you haven't seen her presentation, you ought to.

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01:04:53,020 --> 01:04:53,020
she has shared it several times at various council members meetings,
Town hall meetings.

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01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:58,670
third. Neither an arena or casino or are leaving city hall and tearing it down will save
Downtown.

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01:05:04,190 --> 01:05:04,190
you need to ask yourselves or ask experts in this area why so many businesses are leaving
Downtown.

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01:05:10,310 --> 01:05:10,310
there have been in the last eight months, there have been six major companies that have
Said they were leaving.

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01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:15,710
someone isn't doing their job. Could it be the dallas economic development corporation,
The city manager ddi fourth.

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01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:25,630
the area around city hall needs to be redeveloped and can be. Great plans have been submitted. Please take the time to look at them.

495
01:05:28,790 --> 01:05:28,790
let's use this opportunity to make city hall a shining lights city hall buildings people.

496
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:33,430
thank you, thank you. Jake smith. Jake smith is not present.

497
01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:45,830
mr. Mayor, this concludes your open microphone speakers for this meeting. Okay. Let's move on to our voting agenda. Thank you,
Mr.

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01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:49,190
mayor. Your first item, agenda item one, is approval of minutes of the may 20th,
2026 city council meeting.

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01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:57,950
looking for a motion and a second? Is there any discussion?

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01:06:02,590 --> 01:06:05,830
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? The ayes have it. The minutes are approved. Next item.

501
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:08,270
thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item two is your consideration of appointments to boards and
Commissions for this meeting. There are no board and commission appointments. Therefore,

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01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:15,990
your briefings continue, mr. Mayor. All right,
Then, let's turn it over to our city manager for our briefing agenda for today.

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01:06:23,310 --> 01:06:26,630
thank you, mr. Mayor. Today's briefing will provide an update. Our first briefing will provide an update on the city's ongoing planning and coordination
Efforts related to fifa world cup 2026 and preparations that are currently underway across

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our organization and regional partnerships. As one of the official host cities for fifa
World cup 2026.

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dallas has an extraordinary opportunity to welcome the world,
Showcase our community and deliver a safe,

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successful and memorable experience for residents and visitors alike.

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01:06:55,590 --> 01:06:55,590
this effort has truly been a city wide and regional collaboration,
And we want to thank the many city departments,

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01:07:03,150 --> 01:07:03,150
agencies, public safety personnel, transportation and mobility teams,
Our communication staff,

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01:07:08,670 --> 01:07:08,670
community partners who have all worked together over the past two years to prepare dallas
For this global event.

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this level of coordination taking place behind the scenes has been tremendous,
And the work continues each and every day as operational plans are refined and

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:24,470
implemented. We're also continuing to strengthen communication efforts with residents,
Businesses,

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neighborhoods, and stakeholders to ensure that the public remains informed and engaged as
Tournament planning continues.

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fifa world cup 2026 represents more than just a sporting event.

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it's an opportunity to generate economic impact,
Showcase dallas on the international stage,

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celebrate our diverse communities and create lasting benefits and partnerships for our
City and this entire region.

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dallas is ready to shine, and we're ready to welcome the world and ready to demonstrate
The professionalism,

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,480
hospitality, and the can do spirit that define our city. And with that, I'll turn it over to rosa fleming,
The director of convention and event services,

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to begin today's presentation, and she will introduce the team. Thank you so much. Thank you, city manager tolbert.

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,680
I'm rosa fleming, director for convention and event services. And before we begin, I wanted to recognize and thank the many city staff members and
Partner agencies who've dedicated countless

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hours over the past two years preparing dallas for this historic and global event.

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:36,400
I want to specifically recognize the members of my team for their efforts,
Including brett wilkinson,

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for his work in coordinating city wide fifa planning and inter-departmental efforts.

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:49,120
I believe his institutional knowledge, his relationships and his leadership have been
Instrumental in helping move this work forward.

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:57,040
additionally, I want to recognize jacqueline justice,
Who's an assistant director in our department,

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01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:02,960
and over the office of special events. You'll hear from her in the briefing later.

526
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:07,640
sandra bui from our convention and event services team,
And reginald williams, who is our finance assistant director.

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01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:16,040
all of them have gone above and beyond in helping to lead and coordinate many of the
Operational and logistical efforts associated with this work.

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01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:25,480
in addition, I want to thank our partners on the kay bailey hutchison convention center
Master plan team,

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:31,600
whose collaboration and efforts helped position and prepare the convention center to
Successfully host the fifa world cup.

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:39,560
international broadcast center. By moving up some of the continuing operation efforts at
The convention center.

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01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:47,480
I also want to recognize, obviously, the amazing efforts of monica paul with the sports
Commission and visit dallas,

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01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:54,400
who's truly served as the head coach and chief architect of the region's fifa world cup
Preparations,

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:01,400
and whose leadership has helped bring together cities,
Agencies and partners from across north texas in a coordinated regional effort.

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01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:11,080
last but not least, we have created a fifa related landing page through our 311 cc
Department led by daisy

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:21,000
fast as the director. They've highlighted this on the city of dallas homepage.

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:26,200
it is active today and the site includes information for residents and visitors,
Including traffic,

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01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:33,160
event updates, public safety, and links to our partners at visit dallas,
Downtown dallas,

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01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:39,840
inc. And on the. You can find that on the w www.dallas.com site.

539
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:47,480
and today we're joined by rocky voss. Noel laveau,
Who worked with monica paul on the north texas fifa world cup organizing committee team.

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01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:56,760
and they've been key partners in helping prepare our city and our region for fifa world
Cup 2026.

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:03,800
we appreciate the continued support of this council and guidance from the mayor down to
All of the city council members and the city manager and the multiple

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,920
departments that work with us on these efforts. As we continue to prepare to welcome, in just a few days,
Millions of visitors to showcase our city on the world stage.

543
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,120
and with that, I'll turn it over to monica. Paul. Thank you. Rosa. I first want to start off by thanking many of the people that rosa did.

544
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:33,320
it's hard to believe that we've been working on this for nine years,
And just in a week, we're going to be kicking off a world cup.

545
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:41,600
but I've been here and had honored to work here in dallas for over 17.5 years.

546
01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:47,650
and I can tell you, I have not witnessed the unity,
The collaboration across the region, but within the city of dallas as well.

547
01:11:56,770 --> 01:11:56,770
I think so many of the departments and the people that have been working on this
Tirelessly for,

548
01:12:03,210 --> 01:12:06,970
for so many years, I do feel like we are in a,
In a great place. And I just wanted to publicly thank the staff.

549
01:12:09,850 --> 01:12:09,850
rosa, your team I can't name everyone everyone's names,
But all the people behind us dpd,

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01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:16,770
dallas fire office of emergency management, dallas parks and rec,
Fair park, obviously, the convention center team osce

551
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:29,850
across the board people have been working really hand in hand. And that may be one of the things I'm going to be most proud of at the end of the day is
The collaboration of us working together to make this a success.

552
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:38,290
we're not going to be perfect. But we have, I think,
A really good plan in place.

553
01:12:42,730 --> 01:12:42,730
and I want to share that with you and all the great work and what to expect here coming
Up.

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01:12:48,250 --> 01:12:48,250
next slide. Next slide. Just want to kind of start off with,
With our march schedule.

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01:12:58,730 --> 01:13:02,690
our very first match, just as a refresher is june 14th. Our last match is july 14th for that semifinal.

556
01:13:06,570 --> 01:13:06,570
obviously we're well prepared for the group stage matches that we have those first five.

557
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:12,290
we have been in collaboration and communication with many of the embassies and consulates.

558
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:18,770
and the ambassadors the team leads some of the fan groups for each of these teams working
With,

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01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:25,210
with each of these teams to integrate into our fan festival at fair park,
Working with them to ensure that we know kind of maybe what some of their fan gathering

560
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:34,090
locations are going to be, some of their marches their hotel needs and really trying to
Integrate them into the the culture and the

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01:13:44,050 --> 01:13:44,050
space within the within fair park and some of the planning days before their event.

562
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:52,170
so people are already starting to come into town. What we're seeing so far from a ticket standpoint is our ticket sales are very strong for
Our nine matches.

563
01:13:59,090 --> 01:14:03,050
obviously we've got four matches that we don't even know who is playing in those yet. So they're we're anticipating a lot of movement.

564
01:14:06,130 --> 01:14:06,130
once those round of 3216 is semifinal coming in of fans you know,
Deciding that they're coming here a lot of the tickets have just been injected into the

565
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:15,370
system. So they're actually getting them in their app. But very excited.

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01:14:19,690 --> 01:14:19,690
many of you may have seen the, the netherlands orange bus is,
Is here.

567
01:14:25,090 --> 01:14:25,090
a lot of japanese fans looking to, to host various events and come into the area as well.

568
01:14:32,170 --> 01:14:35,930
so excited about the matches that we have on tap. Next slide. Okay. Next slide. From a transportation standpoint,
One of our key initiatives from organizing committee is

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01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:49,580
to ensure that we have smooth transportation throughout the region. Especially for on match days for ticket holders to get out to the stadium.

570
01:14:54,460 --> 01:14:54,460
obviously, we do not have mass public transportation out to arlington.

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01:14:58,860 --> 01:14:58,860
so we have been working with the north central texas council of governments,
Dart, trinity metro.

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01:15:04,620 --> 01:15:04,620
the plan on match day is to utilize the tree.

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01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:09,500
so we have a lot of deployment at victory station but utilizing the tree,
Both from dallas and arlington to center port

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01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:18,780
station. That will be a normal fare. And then we have busses and our transportation hub to
Take ticket holders

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01:15:28,460 --> 01:15:28,460
from centreport station down to lot h at in arlington,
Complimentary and free of charge.

576
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:34,580
so they will be scanning and looking for those that have tickets.

577
01:15:39,180 --> 01:15:39,180
so and at the conclusion they will take people back to center port station and then they
Can disperse utilizing the rail service.

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01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:48,060
you will see on this map that there are some some blue lines directly from dallas.

579
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:54,820
those are going to be if we experience large lines at victory station.

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01:15:59,900 --> 01:15:59,900
and more than the 20 minute cycle that the, the,
The trail, the train will be going dart is prepared to take passengers directly down to

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01:16:08,660 --> 01:16:12,580
the stadium and then back after the matches as well. Next slide. In terms of parking there will be a controlled area much more so expanded than
What

582
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:22,620
we're normally used to at cowboys games or other events at at&t stadium.

583
01:16:27,540 --> 01:16:27,540
so for those people who may be going to park don't anticipate parking in lot one,
Ten, 11.

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01:16:34,580 --> 01:16:34,580
those types of things, there are structures and that is part of the secure perimeter.

585
01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:39,620
fifa has contracted additional lots with the rangers.

586
01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:44,380
we are, we are highly suggesting people that,
That want to drive out to the stadium to go to just park or the fifa website,

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01:16:51,980 --> 01:16:51,980
you're able to purchase your parking pass as long as you have a ticket to the game.

588
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:57,220
so more information, all of this is connected on our dallas fwc 26.com in terms of the
Entire transportation plan but really encouraging people that are going

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01:17:07,220 --> 01:17:07,220
to park, go ahead and get your parking pass now.

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01:17:11,380 --> 01:17:11,380
our, our transit system is operating five hours prior to the first match and three hours
After the,

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01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:19,580
after the match and doors open three hours prior to the match time.

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01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:24,220
next slide. In terms of city of dallas road closures you're seeing here,
Obviously around the international broadcast center that

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01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:34,140
has already started and will go all the way until july 23rd.

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01:17:38,420 --> 01:17:38,420
so you should see a lot of signage there in order to ensure that the secure perimeter of
The international broadcast center is able to be

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01:17:48,340 --> 01:17:48,340
maintained on this map. You also see some of the closing due to,
To texdot.

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01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:53,140
next slide. This is what our fan festival road closures look like.

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01:18:00,820 --> 01:18:00,820
there are walking paths that have been dedicated in lanes from downtown through deep ellum
Out to fair park.

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01:18:08,060 --> 01:18:08,060
the, the plan majority of people utilizing the dart services to get off at the fair park
Station and walk through fair park to off of first avenue.

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01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:18,380
our fair park location or fan fest location is dos equis pavilion as well as lots eight,
Nine,

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01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:24,260
ten. And then we have public parking in 11. And then fair park will manage the parking and
Lots 13,

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01:18:31,230 --> 01:18:31,230
15 and other auxiliary lots that may be needed there.

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01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:35,950
next slide. In terms of just overall logistics,
From a ticketing standpoint, everything is mobile.

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01:18:45,670 --> 01:18:45,670
so people should have those tickets on their mobile device.

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01:18:50,430 --> 01:18:50,430
there we are anticipating a lot of meetups and parades and marches.

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01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:58,710
so we've been in contact with the netherlands and sweden. Their marches were predominantly take place in arlington on match day.

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01:19:04,590 --> 01:19:04,590
however, we do know that there is a parade with croatia here in dallas.

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01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:13,710
there are a lot of meetups, whether it's england looking to,
To meet up. Netherlands is planning a big meet up at fair park the day before their before their match
In our fan festival.

608
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:21,270
so really trying to work to include some of that in the fan festival elements prior to
There their match.

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01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:28,110
time's up. We have ambassador row, so working with all of the consulate's ambassadors to
Provide them space to work.

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01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:40,550
our linkedin has set up ambassador row out at choctaw stadium. We have also provided the ambassador meeting places and tables out at our fan fest so they
Can request those tables for the entire length of fan fest

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01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:50,550
and utilize those as needed to help any of their constituents,
People who lose passports that need some of those services they will have special vests,

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01:19:59,190 --> 01:20:03,150
special credentials to be able to do that as well. Halperin park is one of our official watch parties,
Fan activation zones that will be activating,

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01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:09,990
activating. We know that there are a lot of other watch parties and fan fan zones that are
Popping up throughout the region.

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01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:18,070
we support those we want people to be excited and to be able to experience the world cup.

615
01:20:24,150 --> 01:20:24,150
we also are working with fifa for those who maybe haven't received a response yet on their
Public viewing licenses and trying to get that sped up so that everybody can have a great

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01:20:33,190 --> 01:20:36,070
time throughout the throughout the world cup planning. Next slide. In terms of base camp, so we have two base camps here locally.

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01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:45,430
we've got czechia at mansfield stadium and sweden,
Which will be at toyota stadium or fc dallas stadium as it'll be known.

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01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:54,630
they actually start arrival here in, I think about two days.

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01:20:58,710 --> 01:21:02,550
the first team will be coming in. We'll be welcoming them. A lot of fanfare. And they will both have community training days.

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01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:12,470
one will be open to the public, the other will not. And those are on june 6th and june 9th. So a lot of activity.

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01:21:16,670 --> 01:21:16,670
and I think arnold will be sharing a little bit more about their,
Their movements and arrivals here shortly.

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01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:22,550
next slide. Should start to see or have already seen a lot of wayfinding event dressing
Going up our street pole banners are up.

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01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:32,470
but we have an entire wayfinding plan through the team that we have worked with out at
Fair park for the fifa fan festival.

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01:21:40,830 --> 01:21:40,830
you'll see some activations throughout the downtown all of our transportation hubs from
The dart stations to the fair park station.

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01:21:49,710 --> 01:21:49,710
mlk a little bit at union station, obviously center port station trying parking
Directional those types of things.

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01:21:58,710 --> 01:21:58,710
just because some of the layouts that all of our facilities are a little bit different
Than maybe how they are normally operated.

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01:22:04,990 --> 01:22:04,990
we, we wanted to ensure that we had the wayfinding piece,
But then also the event dressing piece for really the city to start to come alive and have

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01:22:13,230 --> 01:22:13,230
the feel of the world cup. Next slide. From a hotel and transportation standpoint.

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01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,280
so basically, compared to this time last year. Our occupancy rates around match day, specifically in early june are pacing ahead of.

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01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:31,480
ahead of schedule. As compared to this time last year hotel projections in dallas city
Limits are pacing 24% for june and

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01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:41,320
56% ahead for july. Short term rentals are pacing up 40% in june and 28% in july.

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01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:50,480
so we do anticipate to see movement again in that increase in july,
Specifically due to the fact that we do not know what teams are playing in those matches

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:00,920
in preparation for that last semi final. Also,
International flight data indicates the bookings into dfw and dallas love field are pacing

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01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:09,440
over 78% ahead of last year. For the same same time period.

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01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:14,960
so very encouraging for the data that we're receiving there and also the fact that tickets
Have just been injected.

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01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:21,560
so anticipating that people are still making their flight and travel patterns for at least
The back half of the tournament.

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:29,320
next slide. Next international broadcast center.

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:34,680
thank you for those who came out and joined us for the ribbon cutting with the fifa
President earlier this week.

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:40,760
a lot of people, I think, were surprised at what an international broadcast center looks
Like.

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01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:45,280
but it is amazing in terms of what they have developed in there.

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:50,520
as of earlier this week, there were already 2000 people broadcasters in there and media
Representatives utilizing that with the majority still coming in the

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:00,360
rest of this week and into next week. By june 10th prior to the start of the world cup,
In addition to the international

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01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:10,280
broadcast center, what you didn't see was our media center,
Which we will be putting up as a host city in lower c area.

644
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:18,520
and this is really for the broadcasters that are not going to get credentialed into the
International broadcast center or the stadium,

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01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:25,600
but they needed a place to work. And this is an opportunity for us to really continue to
Elevate dallas on a global stage,

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01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:32,160
share our messaging, get some stories in front of them,
Give them suggestions on where to go experience the city and the region,

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:41,360
as well as provide them easy access and communication into fanfest and throughout the city
To showcase,

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:48,040
get the b-roll, get the coverage that they have. I'm excited to see that over.

649
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:53,080
I think 950 credential requests that we have already received just for our media center
Alone.

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01:24:58,480 --> 01:24:58,480
so that's in addition to the you know, 2000 to 3000 broadcasters and media that will be
Here in the convention center for the ibc.

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01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:08,240
that will be operational all the way through july 20th for the conclusion of the world
Cup.

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01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:14,680
and our media center will open june 8th. So just next week.

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01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:18,690
next slide. So next slide. All right. Fifa fan festival.

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01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:26,930
this is if we can head to the next slide free and open to the public.

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01:25:32,690 --> 01:25:32,690
this will, we will be going for the full june 11th all the way through july 19th.

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01:25:39,570 --> 01:25:39,570
there are five rest days in between but free open to the public.

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01:25:43,810 --> 01:25:47,490
we encourage people to scan the qr code, go to our website. The entire schedule has been announced. You will still need a ticket to get in,
So we encourage people to scan prior to going there just so that we can collect your

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01:25:57,210 --> 01:25:57,210
information. Our total capacity at one time is 35,000 people.

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01:26:01,770 --> 01:26:01,770
so we'll be utilizing the pavilion as well as there's a huge setup and build out that is
Going on.

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01:26:07,690 --> 01:26:07,690
in lot ten, they started on may 25th and we'll be ready to open.

661
01:26:13,650 --> 01:26:15,850
we have a concert lineup that has been announced. So we've got three concerts that are taking place out there.

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01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:23,290
there is a ticket requirement for those for $26. So trying to make it affordable for people to attend our concerts as well,
But have a great activations.

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01:26:29,570 --> 01:26:29,570
a lot of fifa's commercial partners out there,
Our host city supporters are activating out there.

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01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:34,490
there's playgrounds food and soul area. So great festivities and things that will be added
Along the way.

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01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:42,970
next slide. Just to give you kind of

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01:26:52,850 --> 01:26:52,850
a layout, a lot of times when people say fan festival,
They think all of fair park or the state fair.

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01:26:57,250 --> 01:26:57,250
this is a much more condensed space, but we'll have secure space.

668
01:27:02,770 --> 01:27:02,770
and thank you to dallas pd, dallas fire and rescue oem,
Our medical teams for the plans that they're putting together.

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01:27:10,210 --> 01:27:10,210
we know that this is 39 straight days. And the and the toll that that's going to take on,
On them from a staffing standpoint as well.

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01:27:18,010 --> 01:27:18,010
next slide. Just some overview of what that really is going to look like out at fair park
Utilizing that pavilion,

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01:27:26,690 --> 01:27:30,490
the screens and other entertainment that will be taking taking place. Next slide. From a, from a schedule standpoint,
I said, we're open 34 of the 39 days.

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01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:38,130
we will be open an hour prior to the first match and closing an hour after the last match.

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01:27:43,570 --> 01:27:43,570
there are some exceptions of 104 matches being broadcast out of there.

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01:27:47,610 --> 01:27:50,410
there are some matches that fifa had that start at 10 p.m. And 11 p.m.. We are not going to broadcast the matches out at fair park at 10 p.m.

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01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:54,850
and 11 p.m. There is. We have one and there is a few other that start at nine.

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01:27:59,650 --> 01:27:59,650
we will be broadcasting that. But then after two hours,
People will leave and disperse.

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01:28:05,250 --> 01:28:05,250
either drive home, get home on on dart. But we did not want to start the ten and 11 p.m..

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01:28:11,210 --> 01:28:14,410
once at at that hour and have people getting out at 1 a.m. And 2 a.m. In the morning. So all of this schedule is on our website.

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01:28:18,770 --> 01:28:18,770
if there are changes along the way, we will be getting with the media,
Communicating that out,

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01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:24,770
utilizing social media. If we have to make some modifications along the way.

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01:28:30,850 --> 01:28:30,850
next slide. Obviously that's july and you'll see some of those rest days toward the end of
The tournament.

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01:28:38,970 --> 01:28:38,970
as we, as we prepare for our semifinal and to,
To the final next slide.

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01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:47,250
and now turn it over to travis.

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01:28:57,210 --> 01:28:57,210
good morning everyone. Travis houston, deputy director of emergency management and crisis
Response.

685
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:02,850
so what you see on this slide here is, is really the regional public safety org chart.

686
01:29:08,660 --> 01:29:08,660
this, this event is, is truly regional in that even some of the cities that aren't
Directly involved in having fifa venues,

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01:29:14,380 --> 01:29:14,380
things cut through their cities. So from the beginning,
It's been critically important that we've been able to get together and remain aligned

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01:29:21,540 --> 01:29:21,540
through the planning process. And really the way that we've done that is through this
Structure here. So you'll see the organizing committee working through working with the

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01:29:29,140 --> 01:29:29,140
regional public safety planning committee, which is public safety leadership from police
In arlington and dallas fire,

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01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:36,900
arlington and dallas, fbi emergency management,
And then liaising directly with the federal coordination team,

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01:29:42,140 --> 01:29:45,940
who has been a tremendous help throughout this event. You'll see down at the bottom there, there's the different commands and then the state and federal coordination.

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01:29:49,540 --> 01:29:49,540
and from a planning perspective, all of the expert planning teams have been feeding
Information back up to our leaders.

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01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:54,860
next slide please. What I'd like to walk you through here is how we actually built
Readiness for this event.

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01:30:01,620 --> 01:30:01,620
this was a monumental effort across a vast number of partners that has been years in the
Making.

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01:30:06,900 --> 01:30:06,900
on the planning side, we've been working through 18 fifa defined areas of focus,
With regional expert planning teams assigned to each one participating in fifa security

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01:30:15,460 --> 01:30:15,460
summits, coordinating across city departments and state and federal partners.

697
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that planning fed directly into training, incident command,
Hazardous materials, mass casualty scenarios,

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01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:29,820
executive education and joint information center operations. And then we tested things. Metro x was a regional full scale exercise that dallas
Participated in.

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01:30:36,060 --> 01:30:36,060
we've also participated in multiple fifa a day in the life scenarios,
As well as many tabletops to talk specifically about ibc,

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01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:47,660
the joint operations center, fan fest, transportation. And through that planning process, we've truly built a team that is ready to work together
To keep visitors and residents safe.

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01:30:54,020 --> 01:30:54,020
next slide please. Before I walk you through how our specific departments are postures,
I want to ground everything in four standing objectives that drive our

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01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:06,260
operations for the duration of the tournament. First, protect life and ensure public safety against across every venue,
Public gathering areas and the fan festival footprint.

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01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:14,460
second, sustained situational awareness intelligence is going to be an incredibly
Important part of this event,

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01:31:20,740 --> 01:31:20,740
and so we'll have a continuously staffed eoc liaising with our partners in taking
Information and then disseminating it back out to those that need it.

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01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:29,060
third, preserve continuity of city services. The rest of the city doesn't stop just
Because fifa is in town.

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01:31:35,420 --> 01:31:35,420
traffic communications, our neighborhoods. And so it's our goal to keep dallas moving
Throughout this tournament and not just focus on on visitors.

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01:31:44,820 --> 01:31:48,500
and fourth, enable rapid consequence management. So we've built plans and developed, importantly,
Developed relationships that will allow us to squeeze the timeline in response.

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01:31:55,300 --> 01:31:55,300
when something causes a disruption and everything you're about to see on law enforcement,
Fire and ems,

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01:32:00,700 --> 01:32:03,470
public health really flows from these four objectives. Next slide please. So just briefly on our command structure this is how we've organized
Ourselves internally.

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at the top, the city manager's office is providing executive oversight and direction to
The emergency operations center, which is serving as the area command for the event.

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01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:18,510
the joint operations center is the regional coordination hub with federal partners,
And the joint information center ensures that we speak with one voice when we're

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01:32:27,310 --> 01:32:27,310
communicating to the public. The eoc supports four operational commands the fan festival,
The international broadcast center,

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01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:34,390
fixed venue command post like hotels, and field command posts that may be stood up in
Response to some emergent or you know,

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01:32:42,190 --> 01:32:42,190
unexpected event. Next slide please. On the law enforcement side,
Dpd's posture is intelligence led across the

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01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:51,910
entire tournament. That means a continuous threat picture covering every venue in the fan
Festival integrated through the dallas fusion center,

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01:32:59,470 --> 01:32:59,470
as well as fbi's international police cooperation center in the joint operations center.

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01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:04,310
physically, cctv has been expanded and barriers are being staged at key venues across the
City,

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01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:14,230
covering both fan and team movement corridors in the air. Dpd is deploying drones as first responders for aerial coverage.

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01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:17,550
they have counter uas assets staged at key locations to monitor and respond to
Unauthorized drone activity,

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and threat assessments will be continuous throughout the tournament,
Allowing us to be proactive on the partner side,

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fbi, department of homeland security, secret service,
Texas dps and other law enforcement enforcement partners are all liaised through the joint

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01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:41,350
operations center, so we have continued coordination through the event. Next, I'll turn it over to chief paco. Good morning,
Assistant chief paco, emergency response bureau,

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dallas fire rescue. This is getting to this point has truly been based on the efforts of
Many to get here,

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01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:56,470
so that this has been a very collaborative process to get here. For fifa world cup 2026, dallas fire rescue has taken a comprehensive planning approach
Focused on protecting visitors through that collaboration and coordinated emergency

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01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:05,030
response. Recognizing that north texas has many visitors coming that have not been
Accustomed to extreme texas heat,

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01:34:11,470 --> 01:34:11,470
dallas fire rescue has developed and implemented enhanced heat safety and emergency
Protocols aimed at increasing survivability for individuals experiencing heat related

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01:34:20,830 --> 01:34:20,830
emergencies. Resources, cooling stations and medical personnel will be strategically
Pre-positioned at venues.

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01:34:27,310 --> 01:34:27,310
fan festival locations and other high occupancy gathering areas to rapidly identify and
Treat any heat related illness while protecting public safety.

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01:34:36,150 --> 01:34:36,150
to address evolving security threats, hazardous materials response and preventative
Radiological nuclear detection capabilities have been a major area of focus.

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01:34:45,070 --> 01:34:45,070
equipment capabilities and training have been expanded,
And specialized assets will be strategically staged throughout the area.

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01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:52,110
advanced detection equipment and highly trained personnel will be deployed at venues and
Key transportation corridors to provide early identification and response to to

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01:35:01,870 --> 01:35:01,870
potential chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear incidents.

733
01:35:06,710 --> 01:35:06,710
as part of our preparation, dallas fire rescue inspection and life safety began proactive
Venue inspections in early july 2025.

734
01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:16,110
we have continued to conduct comprehensive inspections and risk assessments in
Coordination with local,

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01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:20,750
federal and fifa partners. These efforts have helped identify vulnerabilities,
Validate emergency plans,

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01:35:27,190 --> 01:35:27,190
and ensure facilities maintain compliance with life safety standards during the tournament
Time frame.

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01:35:33,150 --> 01:35:33,150
a significant emphasis has also been placed on enhancing our response to an intentional
Mass casualty incident.

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01:35:40,110 --> 01:35:40,110
dallas fire rescue has reviewed and enhanced response capabilities through extensive
Training and exercises.

739
01:35:45,870 --> 01:35:45,870
these exercises have included hands on extraction and triage scenarios,
Coordinated fire and police incident command training,

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01:35:53,030 --> 01:35:56,920
and improvements in interagency and hospital communication. We have strengthened response procedures and hospital surge coordination plans,
And these improvements are are designed to increase survivability to integrate successful

741
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:06,560
coordination during large scale emergencies. Additionally,
Dallas fire rescue continues to support public health preparedness through active disease

742
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:14,240
surveillance and monitoring efforts in coordination with local,
State, and federal health partners.

743
01:36:19,480 --> 01:36:19,480
this collaborative approach enables early identification of emerging health concerns and
Supports the rapid implementation of mitigation strategies when necessary.

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01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:29,200
through these actions of planning, training,
And coordination, we have committed to providing a safe environment for residents and

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01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,400
visitors during the tournament time frame. Thank you. Thank you. We'll now turn it over to the department of aviation with arnold.

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01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:02,960
yes. So we're at dallas love field. We are obviously preparing for all of our incoming
Guests.

747
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,080
we've got a operational summary here for you. We are expected to experience a sustained fifa related aviation pressure.

748
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:19,120
we've identified three high operational risk windows june 12th through the 15th,
June 24th through the 27th,

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01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:27,680
and then july 13th through the 15th. Primary stressors are going to be general aviation
And vip surge traffic aircraft charter

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01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:37,280
rotations, curb and roadway congestion and weather disruptions.

751
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:43,320
we've had a recommended posture to phase escalation with full activation particularly
During the knockout and semifinal rounds.

752
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:50,920
next slide. Demand forecast curve breaks down those phases even further.

753
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:57,120
and early ramp has already started and will continue until june 5th.

754
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:06,400
our build phase is going to be june 5th through the 11th. We reach an arrival peak around the 14th and 15th.

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01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:10,880
a rotation peak on the 16th through the 23rd.

756
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:18,480
a critical saturation phase on the 24th to the 27th. What that means is we could experience some ramp pressure and may have to tap into our
Alternate resources,

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01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:25,440
which I'll discuss in the final slide. Should we reach that,
That saturation.

758
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:30,440
but then we'll see a final peak as well during the semifinal round from july 13th through
The 15th.

759
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,880
we've got critical decision points during these phases. Coordinated aircraft overflow parking. We're going to freeze all non-essential
Construction prior to these peak periods.

760
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:48,640
we're coordinating with dpd as well for vehicle traffic mitigation,
As well as other stakeholders.

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01:38:55,090 --> 01:38:55,090
and then we're going to ensure leadership and authority is on site during these peak
Periods.

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01:38:59,410 --> 01:38:59,410
next slide. So our general aviation charter and vip forecasts we're looking at heavy
Sponsor and executive aircraft

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01:39:09,370 --> 01:39:09,370
charter activity is expected. Vips heads of state aircraft movements concentrated
Particularly around the semifinal rounds.

764
01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:19,610
and then aircraft fuel and parking saturation are also likely on the airfield during these
Peak windows.

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01:39:26,970 --> 01:39:26,970
next slide. So our commercial terminal and passenger forecast commercial baseline remains
Strong.

766
01:39:36,170 --> 01:39:36,170
due to current airline operations. So the tsa queues and terminal congestion are expected
During major match days.

767
01:39:44,290 --> 01:39:44,290
and then media and fifa staff and contractors and fan arrivals.

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01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:49,250
departures increase bag and curbside pressure.

769
01:39:53,370 --> 01:39:53,370
we do have some mitigation efforts though in place to address those those pressure points.

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01:39:57,650 --> 01:39:57,650
next slide. So staffing and resource readiness.

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01:40:02,650 --> 01:40:02,650
we're going to maintain obviously our 24 over seven communication center during regular
Operations.

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01:40:08,370 --> 01:40:08,370
we will also establish a fee for airport operations command desk during the world cup
Tournament.

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01:40:13,890 --> 01:40:13,890
and then we will activate our eoc or our emergency ops center during the peak windows.

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01:40:20,290 --> 01:40:20,290
that works as well with the city of dallas emergency operations center.

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01:40:25,330 --> 01:40:25,330
expanded terminal and curbside staffing. And then we're going to increase our planning
Cadence with both the f a,

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01:40:32,370 --> 01:40:32,370
a t, s a and our fixed base operators to ensure we've got good communication flowing back
And forth.

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01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:40,210
we've established emergency and contingency protocols and we have refurbished and enhanced
All of the terminal wayfinding at dallas love field.

778
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:48,570
final slide. Dallas executive airport has extended the faa tower hours.

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01:40:57,290 --> 01:40:57,290
you'll notice the extension. That is to help relieve some of the pressure that will be
Experienced between dfw and dallas love field.

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01:41:05,970 --> 01:41:05,970
dallas executive will act as a a support operation.

781
01:41:10,970 --> 01:41:10,970
we have a drop in go operation. Should we become saturated in our ramp area with aircraft
And need overflow parking?

782
01:41:19,050 --> 01:41:19,050
we will drop at dallas love field and then park those planes at dallas executive if
Necessary.

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01:41:27,890 --> 01:41:27,890
final slide. I think that's it. Okay. Thank you arnold.

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01:41:32,530 --> 01:41:32,530
and we'll turn this over now to office of emergency management.

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01:41:40,130 --> 01:41:40,130
all right. Hello again. Next slide please. So early on,
City manager tolbert brought departments

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01:41:50,050 --> 01:41:52,850
together and challenged us to be dallas ready? This is our court. So dallas ready is our coordinated city wide effort to get the most
Visible districts,

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01:41:58,050 --> 01:42:01,890
gateways, and corridors in shape before the world arrives. Downtown entertainment districts, transit corridors,
Fair park, love field are all gateways that that we wanted to make sure looked great for

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01:42:09,850 --> 01:42:09,850
the world. So the concept of simple, we know where visitors are going to be.

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01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:14,490
dallas ready is the mechanism that gets the right city departments focused on the right
Locations,

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01:42:19,130 --> 01:42:22,370
on a defined timeline before the tournament starts. And this isn't a one time cleanup. It's a coordinated operational program powered by gis
Visibility,

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01:42:28,610 --> 01:42:28,610
with clear departmental assignments and a public facing view of what's been completed.
Next slide please.

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01:42:36,850 --> 01:42:36,850
so here's how we've structured our approach. We start with a physical walkthrough of the
Area to document conditions on the ground so we can see beyond just what we're getting

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01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:44,700
through. 311. That feeds into a prioritized action plan with specific department
Assignments departments that execute against those assignments.

794
01:42:53,780 --> 01:42:56,180
we track that through our incident management system. Then we document outcomes, report progress, and schedule any follow up work.

795
01:43:00,820 --> 01:43:04,260
next slide. Oh, actually got one more on this. So we've been running two week cycles in the lead up to the tournament,
Focusing on different areas each time.

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01:43:09,980 --> 01:43:09,980
and what makes this different from the standard work process is that it creates one
Visible operating rhythm across multiple departments through one data,

797
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:18,100
the field assessments, departmental work, cuz all feeding into a single picture.

798
01:43:22,180 --> 01:43:22,180
everyone knows what needs attention, who owns it and when it's due.

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01:43:26,780 --> 01:43:26,780
now next slide. And here's what the program has has produced.

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01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:32,300
so since we launched this in april, we've closed nearly 1700 service requests across our
Target areas,

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01:43:37,900 --> 01:43:37,900
395 code compliance cleanings, 87. Encampment cleanings 71.

802
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:47,100
graffiti cleanings 25. Clean sweep 23. Pothole repairs 22. Traffic sign repairs and replacements. The dashboard that you see on the screen there
Gives us a live view of open and closed work across every target area,

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01:43:54,300 --> 01:43:54,300
from downtown to fair park to love field. You know,
The reason this matters isn't just esthetics.

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01:44:00,020 --> 01:44:00,020
we believe when the world cup of visitors arrive in dallas,
The conditions of our streets in these areas is going to be part of the story that they

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01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:06,260
take home with them. This effort won't end when the tournament starts.

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01:44:10,540 --> 01:44:10,540
we'll remain engaged with this team throughout so that we make sure that we're holding on
To the progress that we've made.

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01:44:17,180 --> 01:44:17,180
with that, I'll hand it back. Mayor chief artists,
Respective council

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01:44:26,860 --> 01:44:30,380
members, thank you for allowing us to present today. My name is charlie salazar, deputy director of transportation and public works
Representing jason cali,

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01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:37,780
doctor and carly, our director, and the men and women of transportation and public works.

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01:44:43,380 --> 01:44:43,380
on this first slide, you can see that we're going to support a citywide fee for readiness
Through infrastructure,

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01:44:49,660 --> 01:44:49,660
mobility and operations. So one of the very first things that kim tolbert told us,
She said she wants to show the world the city of dallas.

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01:44:58,980 --> 01:45:01,900
and that was through her theme fee for ready. So as you can see, the men and women working in this picture,
Which we were going out and making sure that the work was getting done,

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01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:08,900
they're working on enhancing safety, cleanliness,
Accessibility, transportation coordination,

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01:45:13,580 --> 01:45:17,460
improvement across downtown fair park and key corridors. Next slide please. That included accelerated pavement and sidewalk repairs,
Rideshare corridor improvements.

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01:45:26,380 --> 01:45:26,380
key corridors included haskell gates for pennsylvania pacific and east grand.

816
01:45:31,820 --> 01:45:31,820
some of the areas where we're going to have high traffic,
And we want to present well to the community that's coming to fifa event.

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01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:38,820
ongoing roadway rehabilitation. Concrete panel replacement in haskell.

818
01:45:44,060 --> 01:45:46,980
corridor improvements and focus improvements. Supporting pedestrian safety for visitors in mobility areas.

819
01:45:52,220 --> 01:45:52,220
next slide please. As you can see from the picture above,
You can see our crews out there working on this particular day there was rain and they've

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01:46:01,700 --> 01:46:01,700
been working around you know, as around weather and other challenges.

821
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:07,060
we have gaisford in pennsylvania. That area was really rough and the fifa folks asked us
To work on that area.

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01:46:14,100 --> 01:46:14,100
our folks went out there and did a really good job of making sure that that was going to
Be presentable for the folks that are going to be traversing through there.

823
01:46:23,580 --> 01:46:23,580
you see before and after picture on haskell and,
And in the right corridor our folks working and then the after pictures,

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01:46:31,620 --> 01:46:33,780
all of that will be cleaned up and ready to go. Next slide please. Traffic signals. Lighting and safety.

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01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:41,670
traffic signal maintenance. Operational upgrades. Street lighting assessment and infrastructure improvement.

826
01:46:44,710 --> 01:46:44,710
our folks have been out driving at night, making sure that all the lights will make good
Visibility for everybody that is going to be in in these areas.

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01:46:53,430 --> 01:46:53,430
pedestrian safety enhancements near fair park downtown pedestrian hybrid beacons have also
Been installed,

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01:47:00,670 --> 01:47:00,670
and then coordinated signal timing and mobility improvements so that folks can move
Through the area without any issues.

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01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:08,470
next slide please. In this picture, you can see a hydrant beacon over around reunion
Boulevard.

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01:47:17,630 --> 01:47:17,630
and then you can see new traffic signals that went in at young and griffin.

831
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:22,870
and so coming from public safety to traffic,
The amount of work that it takes to get those traffic signals up is

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01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:32,550
extremely impressive. So incredibly proud of our crews that are able to coordinate and get
Those up.

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01:47:38,350 --> 01:47:38,350
crosswalk signage and corridor visibility. As you can see in this picture,
We've been very busy installing 425 traffic way

834
01:47:47,870 --> 01:47:47,870
signs and wayfinding enhance high visibility pedestrian crossing 122 crosswalk and stop
Bars restriped.

835
01:47:57,030 --> 01:47:57,030
we refreshed 37 miles of pavement markings, and then we've also installed delineators in
The downtown area.

836
01:48:04,390 --> 01:48:04,390
next slide please. Clean sweep and beautification operations.

837
01:48:10,510 --> 01:48:10,510
we have a plan for enhanced litter removal, street sweeping and high traffic areas,
Nightly corridor maintenance to make sure that the next day is

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01:48:20,910 --> 01:48:20,910
beautified and ready to go. Rapid response. Cleanup and overflow and continue landscape
Mitigation with maintaining the medians and

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01:48:30,590 --> 01:48:30,590
corridors. Next slide please. This slide here has some city beautification initiatives
Down in the florin pearl area.

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01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:38,950
also in the city area. You can see from the pictures above that our teams have been
Working hard.

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01:48:44,590 --> 01:48:44,590
next slide please. That picture there. Thank you.

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01:48:51,190 --> 01:48:51,190
fits you on the right. And then downtown in the florin pearl area on the left.

843
01:48:55,790 --> 01:48:55,790
next slide please. Our mobility bike lane and event access.

844
01:49:02,230 --> 01:49:02,230
multimodal multi-modal mobility routes prioritized for pedestrian and micro mobility
Users.

845
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:09,430
this would be in the main street. Also hardwood and olive,
Temporary and adaptable mobility lanes developed delineators for protecting

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01:49:19,310 --> 01:49:19,310
our pedestrians. Next slide please. In this map here,
This map is a depiction of our mobility

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01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:28,960
route from maine all the way down to santa fe trail,
Down into fair park so that pedestrians can get there safely.

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01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:37,520
this map, along with other maps you can find in nc,
T cog.org for maps.

849
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:43,200
and you can also find it in our city website and our transportation website.

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01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:47,640
next slide please. Parking permit and event coordination.

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01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:55,960
as you know that parking is going to be an issue that we have to contend with.

852
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:00,240
we're coordinating permitting and current management support,
Event parking operations, and enforcement readiness.

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01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:10,840
we're prepared to staff and be adaptable during this event. Next slide please. Emergency preparedness and inter-agency coordination.

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01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:18,120
we're going to support the eoc staffing transportation coordination,
Coordination during the fifa events.

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01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:25,520
and also just to mention that if anybody's concerned about how prepared we are,
A snapshot just this past week of how all of our

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01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:35,360
teams came together to support the families that were involved in the explosion that our
Folks for the city of dallas were able to convene and provide all the

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01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:49,080
services and assistance that were necessary during that time. So I'm highly confident that through our efforts and our preparation,
We'll be ready for anything that is planned or unplanned.

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01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:57,040
thank you very much. Thank you for that. So our next section has to do with the plethora
Of events that we have

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going around the city. City council and our city leadership were very clear in the
Directive that we activate dallas.

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01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:15,440
and so as we've done that, the convention event services,
Office of special events in partnership with downtown dallas,

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01:51:23,560 --> 01:51:23,560
inc., visit dallas and other stakeholders have permitted and are working to help activate
Several districts and downtown.

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01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:32,320
and so we'll walk through that and I'll have jacqueline justice,
Assistant director in our department,

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01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:37,880
to brief that. Thank you rosa. Good morning,
Mayor and council.

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01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:43,520
so I like to say we're kind of bringing some of the fun stuff today to the presentation.

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01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:50,080
so we have had the privilege to be able to work with several countries bringing fan events
To downtown dallas.

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01:51:57,720 --> 01:51:57,720
so as you can see here on june 16th, we have the privilege to host croatia and they will
Have a parade that will start at the civic garden and

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01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:07,600
go down past the jfk memorial. And it will end at ferris plaza,
Where they will have kind of a festival atmosphere style party.

868
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:17,200
there will be some unofficial argentina gatherings around klyde warren park and then on
June 24th,

869
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:24,680
we will. We are working with japan. They are hosting a wonderful event at harwood park.

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01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:30,400
it will have a dj, some music, also some speakers and special soccer guests.

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01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:37,080
and then there is an ongoing possible ongoing display with spain at trinity groves.

872
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:43,800
next slide. As rosa was saying, we have been working diligently with downtown dallas inc.

873
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:52,320
on putting together a special pedestrian activation that we've briefed the quality of life
Committee back in 2024.

874
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:01,360
and again, this last february, we call it open streets.

875
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:05,560
ddi is kind of branding it as a social saturdays,
But we will be closing main street from akard to harwood starting at 8 a.m.

876
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:14,320
until 3 p.m. On june 20th, the 27th, july 4th and july 11th.

877
01:53:21,570 --> 01:53:21,570
if you've driven down main street recently, you can kind of see that the activate is fully
Activated and it's very colorful and kind of puts you in the spirit to welcome

878
01:53:31,490 --> 01:53:31,490
fifa. There will be some light programing, outdoor yoga.

879
01:53:35,570 --> 01:53:35,570
we'll have some market vendors and some activations.

880
01:53:40,130 --> 01:53:40,130
next slide. We heard you loud and clear for july 4th america 250 activations.

881
01:53:47,170 --> 01:53:47,170
and so we are proud to turn our open street into one of america's block party activations.

882
01:53:53,930 --> 01:53:53,930
so the nation is kind of coming together and doing a synchronized 4th of july with a block
Party atmosphere.

883
01:54:00,810 --> 01:54:00,810
and so ddi and the city will be partnering again for america's block party.

884
01:54:06,730 --> 01:54:08,890
we'll have some bands from different decades. We're working on a classic car show. We'll have some classic americana activities like
Apple pie contests.

885
01:54:16,090 --> 01:54:19,690
and also we'll have fletcher's corny dogs truck. Next slide. And of course, you can't have 4th of july without some special nighttime
Spectaculars.

886
01:54:28,730 --> 01:54:28,730
so you'll have your usual pyrotechnic events at klyde warren park.

887
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:37,250
that's an annual event that they host and they'll be hosting it this year. Also fifa fan festival will have a special pyrotechnic display on july 3rd.

888
01:54:45,450 --> 01:54:48,970
but in addition, we have a very special thing we're bringing to the city of dallas. It will be on the front of the unt law building.

889
01:54:51,810 --> 01:54:51,810
it will run nightly from july 4th through the 24th starting at dark.

890
01:54:57,170 --> 01:54:57,170
so around 9 p.m. You can watch a the story of america and really the story of dallas too.

891
01:55:04,090 --> 01:55:04,090
it has a dallas focus. It's a 4 to 6 minute show.

892
01:55:08,690 --> 01:55:08,690
it will have some sound and music. And so like I said,
If you stand in main street garden,

893
01:55:14,850 --> 01:55:18,050
which is a safe place to stand to watch it, you can also hear it. So we look forward to sharing that with you all.

894
01:55:20,970 --> 01:55:20,970
thank you. Thank you jackie. And so I'll turn it back over to monica.

895
01:55:25,370 --> 01:55:25,370
paul. Yeah. Perfect. Next slide. I just want to go over as we conclude our presentation
Here,

896
01:55:32,690 --> 01:55:32,690
just some of the legacy items. We're in, in the process of putting together some legacy
And displaying them now,

897
01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:40,250
but we know that legacy will live on after this world cup and there'll be more to come
After,

898
01:55:45,370 --> 01:55:45,370
at the conclusion of the world cup one of our legacy items is we did create a north texas
Sports foundation.

899
01:55:51,130 --> 01:55:51,130
while it's very much focused on soccer right now it will expand into other sports.

900
01:55:57,570 --> 01:55:57,570
and it's really for us to be able to provide,
Whether it's mini pitches, equipment, access to sport and that sort of thing throughout

901
01:56:04,930 --> 01:56:07,770
the region. This is something that we hope to grow. We know that the world cup, this will not be our last major event that we host.

902
01:56:12,050 --> 01:56:12,050
and instead of recreating the wheel each time,
We wanted to have something that had a good foundation that we were able to build upon as

903
01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:22,100
we move into the future and hosting other major events. So we did have a dedication of a texan golden boot.

904
01:56:25,780 --> 01:56:25,780
so we have installed that last week. We'll have a,
A brick campaign that kind of goes around that as well,

905
01:56:32,620 --> 01:56:32,620
with all proceeds going to the foundation for other youth and sports initiatives.

906
01:56:38,540 --> 01:56:38,540
next slide. In addition to that one of our key initiatives is legacy mini pitches in
Underserved areas or areas that don't have

907
01:56:48,180 --> 01:56:48,180
safe spaces for kids to go out and play. So we had made an initial dedication and
Selection.

908
01:56:54,740 --> 01:56:54,740
there's a form on our website where people and organizations can go and sign up and
Express their interest or have,

909
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:04,100
if they have a location for us to put a mini pitch in. Keep in mind that we're just starting these,
This will continue well after the world cup.

910
01:57:09,220 --> 01:57:12,020
these are four sites within dallas that have been selected. We are already in the process and in motion of doing these installations,
And is our goal to have them completed before the end of the world cup so that we can have

911
01:57:21,460 --> 01:57:24,940
ribbon cuttings and the dedications while the world cup is here. So these are just the first four, and we will continue to focus on this initiative well
Past the world cup being completed.

912
01:57:34,300 --> 01:57:34,300
next slide. In addition, I know we've been talking for the past few years on our
Sustainability and human rights initiatives.

913
01:57:44,020 --> 01:57:44,020
we had very extensive stakeholder working groups in both of these areas.

914
01:57:48,260 --> 01:57:48,260
350, I believe on the human rights side of things,
As well as 100 on the sustainability side the,

915
01:57:56,060 --> 01:57:56,060
on the human rights, we've had human rights training across all of our venues,
Hotels, concierge programs our police and fire across the region,

916
01:58:05,060 --> 01:58:05,060
our transit agencies we know that human trafficking usually we anticipate a tick up during
Major events.

917
01:58:12,380 --> 01:58:12,380
I wanted to make sure that we had the training,
Education, and resources to be able to communicate that and,

918
01:58:19,780 --> 01:58:19,780
and, and know the process there. In addition we engaged with cultural awareness and
Hospitality,

919
01:58:26,700 --> 01:58:26,700
hospitality training across many, many stakeholders throughout the region.

920
01:58:32,460 --> 01:58:32,460
not only were they in live and in person, but then we also have video assets that are
Available for people who want to,

921
01:58:39,580 --> 01:58:39,580
to, to take that. And some of it is very easy of knowing maybe some of the cultural
Differences amongst some of the countries that are going to be here,

922
01:58:48,060 --> 01:58:48,060
but maybe be as simple as knowing to say hello or thank you or welcome or,
You know, roll out our texas hospitality.

923
01:58:54,300 --> 01:58:54,300
but being able to do so in the language in their language so very,
Very excited about that.

924
01:59:01,140 --> 01:59:01,140
also had a lot of community cleanups throughout the region. There was a community cleanup
Challenge that north central texas council of governments put on and sponsored wear.

925
01:59:10,540 --> 01:59:13,900
many of the cities throughout the region competed in that. And I know the city as well as visit dallas had a very dedicated cleanup earlier this
Month or last month,

926
01:59:21,020 --> 01:59:21,020
I guess now at fair park so that we can make sure that we shine there as we gear up to
Host that fifa fan festival.

927
01:59:29,660 --> 01:59:29,660
and then during the world cup, you will see a lot of marketing and communications
Campaigns for the human rights and the sustainability initiatives as well that we will,

928
01:59:39,020 --> 01:59:39,020
we will pull out on the, on the human trafficking side many other marketing campaigns to
Focus on all the,

929
01:59:44,900 --> 01:59:48,740
all the other things and fan festival and other events that will be taking shape. But we do have dedicated human rights and sustainability marketing and communications that
We're working on throughout the region.

930
01:59:57,300 --> 01:59:57,300
next slide. And I think last north texas business connect program,
This is a new program that we hope to be a legacy through the world cup.

931
02:00:07,540 --> 02:00:07,540
it is our way of being able to engage with local businesses.

932
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:12,550
1 to 1. First we need to know they exist. So a lot of people signed up with the north
Texas business connect program worked with a lot of the procurement offices across the

933
02:00:22,030 --> 02:00:22,030
region. We had 20, a little over 2300 businesses register 683 of those were dallas
Registrants or dallas

934
02:00:31,470 --> 02:00:31,470
businesses. We will get a final report after the world cup.

935
02:00:35,790 --> 02:00:35,790
we provide a lot of information to fifa, and then they actually provide whether it's
Through fifa or some of fifa's commercial partners how much was

936
02:00:45,670 --> 02:00:45,670
spent here locally. So we look forward to having that report and summary after the world
Cup,

937
02:00:52,470 --> 02:00:52,470
but all of the rfps and rfis that we've received,
We've been able to send out through our north texas business connect.

938
02:00:59,150 --> 02:01:01,990
so we're hopeful that we have some very high numbers. In the last we had heard, we were progressing very well in this category.

939
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:07,030
next slide. In terms of other events going on for us from organizing committee standpoint
We do have a media

940
02:01:16,830 --> 02:01:16,830
party that will be this sunday, june 7th. So the invitation has,
Has gone out there.

941
02:01:23,430 --> 02:01:23,430
we will have all the broadcasters and media from the ibc,
As well as those that have registered for our media center,

942
02:01:30,830 --> 02:01:30,830
as well as our local media, as well as host city supporters and our key stakeholders here
Locally.

943
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:37,270
again, those community training centers for czechia and sweden,
June 6th and june 9th our fifa fan festival opening we are inviting all

944
02:01:47,230 --> 02:01:47,230
of council. We would like you to basically cut the ribbon for us to open our fan festival
With the mayor and city manager there on june 11th prior

945
02:01:57,230 --> 02:02:00,030
to that first match. So look forward to seeing you there. We also will be communicating information about credentials.

946
02:02:03,590 --> 02:02:03,590
so as well as parking at fan festival just to get you some easier access in and out.

947
02:02:09,550 --> 02:02:09,550
so we will get that to rosa and brett and the team so that they can distribute and get
That out to you guys.

948
02:02:17,150 --> 02:02:17,150
and then following the world cup, we've got party on the pitch where we'll be able to get
Inside at&t stadium on the pitch hopefully be able to celebrate a very

949
02:02:26,830 --> 02:02:26,830
successful world cup. We are also hoping to have our volunteer celebration there.

950
02:02:31,950 --> 02:02:31,950
so working through some of those last details of those 6000 volunteers that are going to
Be working day in and day out are already are.

951
02:02:40,230 --> 02:02:40,230
but definitely a lot of hours here over the next two months.

952
02:02:44,270 --> 02:02:44,270
and then in october, we want to wrap up and hopefully we'll have all the impacts back by
Then and really celebrate the impact of the world cup and

953
02:02:54,710 --> 02:02:54,710
be able to reflect on it maybe talk about a little learning lessons,
The positives and the negatives,

954
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:59,510
but the lasting legacy. And then it will be in time to focus on what our next bid is for
The women's world cup for 2031.

955
02:03:08,760 --> 02:03:08,760
next slide. Okay. Thank you monica. And with that,
We are open for questions.

956
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:18,040
all right. Thank you for that presentation. Members,
I just want to give you an update on what I think the work plan is going to be real quick.

957
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:28,480
we're going to take the questions on this briefing. And then we're going to break for about an hour for lunch and then come back with the
Second briefing for today.

958
02:03:34,040 --> 02:03:34,040
so I'll start with chairman west for five minutes.

959
02:03:38,360 --> 02:03:38,360
thank you madam a for today. So after nine years of planning dallas is just a few days
Away from rolling out our welcome mat to the world.

960
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:51,320
rosa, monica, everybody who spoke today, your entire teams. You got to be incredibly proud of the work you've done to get us here.

961
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,960
thanks in large part to to your work for the next few weeks. Dallas is going to be absolutely shining like the city that we know we are.

962
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,720
so I'm going to start off with a softball question for you,
Monica. What are you most excited about with the world cup arrival as of today?

963
02:04:13,480 --> 02:04:13,480
are you sure you want my answer? Oh you know,
When you've been planning for something for so long,

964
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:20,040
you just. You want to see it start? Yeah. You know,
I, I had the opportunity to go to russia and qatar and see the passion and the energy and

965
02:04:27,800 --> 02:04:29,840
welcoming the people from all over the world. And just that experience. And I didn't grow up being a soccer fan at all.

966
02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:36,520
I played most every other sport, but not soccer. So just, you know, we've hosted so many major events,
But this one has the international component to it.

967
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:42,600
and I think there's a lot of lessons learned for our,
Our city and our region and the residents and visitors alike.

968
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:48,720
so I'm ready to kick off our fan festival on,
On on june 11th.

969
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:54,800
I'm ready to get that first match under our belt on june 14th.

970
02:04:58,880 --> 02:04:58,880
and then hopefully we can like, sit back. We know we've got,
We'll have to tweak some things in the middle of it,

971
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:03,600
but I don't know, but you are right. Councilman west I'm,
I'm proud of the work.

972
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:16,120
I think that our organizing committee has done,
That the city has done that. The region has done. Excellent. But I'm not going to lie.

973
02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:21,160
I will be ready for it to be over, too. That probably goes.

974
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:25,640
I mean, I want to go to another project, I think after this one is over is what I'm trying
To say.

975
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:30,520
yeah. So I'm going to need transportation public works up here for the next couple
Questions.

976
02:05:36,200 --> 02:05:36,200
so both monica, you and transportation spoke about wayfinding.

977
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,040
I'm really glad to see we're freshening up the sidewalks and crosswalks. I wish we were doing that across the whole city.

978
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:52,240
but I'm happy to see the fans will benefit from that. What wayfinding improvements can we expect for the fans who are going to be going to main
Street and then getting off into the rest of the city.

979
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:01,600
are there any visible ways we're going to be taking our fans to dart stations,
And then to the fan fan festival at fair park?

980
02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:14,480
if I'm from a different country, I've never been here. I'm nervous. How how does how do I get to where I'm going?

981
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:18,760
sure, I'll take that. Thanks for having us. But the wayfinding signs are already up.

982
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:23,200
hopefully you're seeing them. So we have wayfinding signs,
Particularly for pedestrians from houston on main in main,

983
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:29,960
all the way to the santa fe trail. And some of those signs will actually tell them how
Long that walk would take to get down to fan festival,

984
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:37,680
and then direct them to every dart station that they could go to before that to take the
Dart over to the fan festival.

985
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:44,320
so that is part of it. Then working also with didi,
There are signs to other parts of town,

986
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:49,560
so some of that wayfinding is also directing them to the farmers market off of main
Street.

987
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:53,680
so we've taken the time with dd to identify some of those locations as well.

988
02:06:57,850 --> 02:06:57,850
so you'll see that, like I said, hopefully it's already it's already up down main street.

989
02:07:02,290 --> 02:07:02,290
directed them to those places. Great. And just for the record,
Can you identify yourself?

990
02:07:06,490 --> 02:07:06,490
noelle laveau. I'm the chief marketing officer for the north texas fwc organizing
Committee. Thank you. Council member. So if I'm I'm a fan staying in a downtown hotel.

991
02:07:15,610 --> 02:07:18,970
I have my tickets to match day. I'm dragging my kids along. It's 100 degrees in dallas. Like we know it will be next month.

992
02:07:22,210 --> 02:07:22,210
how what is my tell me how I'm getting to from my hotel to,
I guess, victory station, victory station to

993
02:07:31,890 --> 02:07:31,890
center point center port and then to what's going to be dallas stadium.

994
02:07:38,770 --> 02:07:38,770
right. So what is the, what is the, what's what's that experience like?

995
02:07:45,130 --> 02:07:45,130
give me comfort. So from your hotel, you're going to get on either walk to any station,
Really.

996
02:07:50,610 --> 02:07:50,610
you can walk to any station and basically ensure you're getting to center port station.

997
02:07:55,610 --> 02:07:55,610
we know we anticipate downtown that the victory station is going to be one that has a kind
Of heavier load.

998
02:08:01,530 --> 02:08:01,530
yeah, just to get on that, that tree. But the service is going to be running throughout
The entire region.

999
02:08:09,130 --> 02:08:13,010
we will have volunteers on at dart is providing volunteers. We have volunteers from our entire volunteer program.

1000
02:08:18,050 --> 02:08:18,050
we've got dart staff out there that will be helping to load people onto the dart,
Explain what they need from a past standpoint.

1001
02:08:25,810 --> 02:08:29,810
utilize the rail service, get to center port station. There are, we have huge tents out there, cooling stations,
Comfort stations, water all of that type of stuff,

1002
02:08:38,010 --> 02:08:38,010
fire, pd, ems, all of that. In case there are emergencies that take place.

1003
02:08:44,570 --> 02:08:44,570
we've got 125 busses that will be staged at center port station.

1004
02:08:48,770 --> 02:08:48,770
you will show your, your ticket on your mobile device and be able to get on the bus free
Of charge.

1005
02:08:54,810 --> 02:08:54,810
and then there is a dedicated routes for all of those busses to lot h one of the rangers
Lots.

1006
02:09:01,250 --> 02:09:01,250
it is also has the same set up large tents. There's a check in place there,
The comfort stations,

1007
02:09:08,490 --> 02:09:08,490
cooling stations, etc. And then there will be a walk into the outer perimeter to the
Security gates there.

1008
02:09:14,930 --> 02:09:14,930
we've got ada busses. We've got golf carts that may be needed for some as well.

1009
02:09:22,090 --> 02:09:22,090
we have human directional arrows that will be put pushing people to the,
To the right direction.

1010
02:09:28,690 --> 02:09:32,010
and then afterwards the reverse would happen. In addition, one of the key other key elements is we're in control in managing the
Rideshare lot out at both fair park for the fan festival,

1011
02:09:40,650 --> 02:09:44,130
but also outside of the stadium in arlington as well. And that, that rideshare lot is not in the normal spot that it normally is either.

1012
02:09:49,130 --> 02:09:49,130
usually it's in lot 15. Now it is in it's in the esports stadium there,
But we strategically placed it close to somewhat close to our

1013
02:09:58,730 --> 02:09:58,730
transportation hub or bus hub in lot h. So that on the way back,
If there is a long line or surge pricing on the rideshare lot that people can

1014
02:10:08,570 --> 02:10:08,570
also jump on our, our bus system and at least get you back to center port.

1015
02:10:13,970 --> 02:10:13,970
and then if you need to call uber or lyft or something from there of maybe a better
Pricing,

1016
02:10:18,690 --> 02:10:18,690
they have that option. But then once you get off your bus at center port,
You disperse.

1017
02:10:23,130 --> 02:10:23,130
if you're needing to go west to fort worth or here back to dallas you have that,
That option.

1018
02:10:30,450 --> 02:10:30,450
you've thought through it, obviously, it's, it's very complicated to somebody like me,
Like in visualizing that,

1019
02:10:35,730 --> 02:10:35,730
I know it's on the slide, but I know you've thought through it for years. Well,
We actually are doing a testing tomorrow.

1020
02:10:40,810 --> 02:10:40,810
so with the cogs team, as well as our dallas some dallas sports commission volunteers.

1021
02:10:46,970 --> 02:10:46,970
other key transportation agency staff. We have people deploying from fort worth,
From victory station,

1022
02:10:55,460 --> 02:10:55,460
from dallas, I think out at fair park as well,
To take a take the exact experience we've got busses,

1023
02:11:01,940 --> 02:11:01,940
our lots are being completed or set up. So all the tents and that experience will be
There.

1024
02:11:08,100 --> 02:11:08,100
then we're asking them to do a survey so that here over this next week before we really
Utilize this service on the 14th would be the first that we would have busses that we

1025
02:11:17,980 --> 02:11:17,980
can make some, some tweaks. We also know that,
Hey, after the first match, we're going to learn a lot and we are going to be prepared to

1026
02:11:25,540 --> 02:11:25,540
maybe shift and tweak things and pivot as we as we need.

1027
02:11:30,300 --> 02:11:30,300
I think a really key part of the experience for the fans will be how the volunteers
Interact with them and what's happening at the like you mentioned,

1028
02:11:39,260 --> 02:11:39,260
the tents and the activation at these different points where they change.

1029
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:44,060
if you think about this, like we'll be having business executives come in who might think
About coming to dallas as a corporate relocation.

1030
02:11:50,740 --> 02:11:54,380
you know, I know that's a priority of our mayor and of our city. We want to put out our best foot for them. You're also going to have the stressed out
Parent like myself, you know, who's lugging along kids.

1031
02:12:00,500 --> 02:12:04,500
that's probably the most expensive vacation they've ever gone on. And they get here and the they're excited to go to soccer.

1032
02:12:08,580 --> 02:12:08,580
they're in the hotel. English might be a second language for them,
And they're really nervous about getting the kids to the match.

1033
02:12:16,660 --> 02:12:16,660
so the only interface with them will be those volunteers.

1034
02:12:20,980 --> 02:12:20,980
and so when things do go wrong, what are you doing to make sure your volunteers are
Sympathetic?

1035
02:12:26,380 --> 02:12:26,380
they're fun. They make that that experience at the station transfer like,
All right, it kind of sucks out here in the heat right now,

1036
02:12:32,580 --> 02:12:35,220
but it's actually we're going to have fun while you're here. Do we have we thought through that right? Yeah.

1037
02:12:37,460 --> 02:12:37,460
I think that was part of our like hospitality ambassador training that we focused on.

1038
02:12:42,900 --> 02:12:42,900
so all of our volunteers through the program,
The 6015 host city ambassador went through orientation training.

1039
02:12:51,380 --> 02:12:51,380
that was a key focus of ours. I think we have the communication systems in line of like
When things do happen,

1040
02:12:58,580 --> 02:13:01,460
like the communication structure that needs to happen. There will be a debriefing every day. So if we need to change things along the way there,
But we have always,

1041
02:13:07,700 --> 02:13:07,700
and and most all of our planning stressed the texas hospitality and that we are welcoming
City here in dallas and the dfw area.

1042
02:13:16,660 --> 02:13:16,660
and we want to make sure that people feel that from the time that people step off the
Airport.

1043
02:13:21,060 --> 02:13:21,060
so we've got welcoming information desks along the way that will not only help the
Visitors,

1044
02:13:25,980 --> 02:13:25,980
but also help our volunteers to be able to transfer some of that information so that we
Can make some changes on the fly in kind of real time.

1045
02:13:35,860 --> 02:13:39,140
great. I'll stop with this last question then. So I get daily emails and calls from my residents about world cup,
And most of them are people with kids who are like,

1046
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:50,270
tickets are $1,000. We just can't make it work. What what's the best way for me to tell them they can be a part of the world cup?

1047
02:13:56,510 --> 02:13:56,510
I mean, you did a great job of listing some of the events or send them to halperin park
For the usa watch parties.

1048
02:14:02,470 --> 02:14:05,070
go to downtown. That's what I've been telling them. Am I missing anything? So definitely want people to experience fan festival.

1049
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:09,750
there's a playground in there. There's kids initiatives. We're going to have community
Days there that are going to be announced where people can come in even earlier than doors

1050
02:14:19,310 --> 02:14:23,150
opening or focus on specific nonprofits during during that time. We know there's going to be a lot of other activations outside of what fifa is doing and
What the organizing committee is putting on a lot of other community initiatives.

1051
02:14:32,110 --> 02:14:32,110
I would say that there is also a registration form on our website,
Dallas fc 26.com.

1052
02:14:39,310 --> 02:14:39,310
and as well, I think it's on the north texas sports foundation website for nonprofits to
Go in and sign up and register for an opportunity for

1053
02:14:49,150 --> 02:14:49,150
complimentary tickets to matches. We have set aside a certain amount for nonprofits,
Underserved kids and

1054
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:58,390
nonprofit organizations for them to be able to experience the world cup.

1055
02:15:03,190 --> 02:15:03,190
so the north texas sports foundation is sponsoring those tickets.

1056
02:15:07,870 --> 02:15:07,870
so there is a registration form. And obviously here in the next week,
We will be allocating.

1057
02:15:12,670 --> 02:15:12,670
and there's a metric and there's a whole committee that has set aside to make the
Determination on,

1058
02:15:18,350 --> 02:15:18,350
on who receives those. Yeah. I bet that's going to be,
That's going to be fun going through all those requests. There's going to be a lot of

1059
02:15:23,790 --> 02:15:23,790
them. Thank you. Chairman johnson, you recognized for five minutes.

1060
02:15:29,390 --> 02:15:29,390
thank you, mister mayor. I just want to say that this is exciting.

1061
02:15:34,270 --> 02:15:34,270
city manager, your team did an awesome job. Mayor johnson,
Your vision is clear.

1062
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:38,870
this is awesome. One here. Nine years. Just got here eight months ago.

1063
02:15:43,230 --> 02:15:43,230
but just listening to all the exciting things that's happening with fifa.

1064
02:15:47,430 --> 02:15:47,430
and I was there the other day. Mayor did a wonderful job.

1065
02:15:51,910 --> 02:15:55,310
I think this is going to be great for our community for downtown. It shows that this vision is clear what the city manager is doing,
What the mayor has been talking about prior to me even

1066
02:16:05,150 --> 02:16:07,510
being here on the council as a school board trustee. I'm a former coach in dallas isd. So I know and,
And a former trustee.

1067
02:16:12,150 --> 02:16:12,150
so I know the importance of sports in in our city that pour into all of our communities.

1068
02:16:19,110 --> 02:16:19,110
and so this is exciting to see how this is going to not just be an empowering,
Empowering for our residents here

1069
02:16:29,070 --> 02:16:29,070
in downtown, but southern dallas. But also some of the kids a lot of our kids that's in
Our community and just opening up that avenue for them to experience this

1070
02:16:38,830 --> 02:16:38,830
level of excitement. I'm excited also to partner with my colleague councilman west.

1071
02:16:44,910 --> 02:16:44,910
we're going to be hosting something at hepburn park real soon.

1072
02:16:49,150 --> 02:16:49,150
just letting our community come and just on the big screen and just celebrate this event.

1073
02:16:53,950 --> 02:16:53,950
so I don't really have a question. I just want to give a major praise to our mayor and our
City manager and her team.

1074
02:17:00,470 --> 02:17:00,470
rosa, you guys are doing a wonderful job and I appreciate everything that you guys are
Doing.

1075
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:04,790
this is going to be really exciting. And thank you for your leadership,
Both of you. Chairwoman mendelsohn,

1076
02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:10,190
you recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Well,
Thanks for the very comprehensive presentation today.

1077
02:17:15,750 --> 02:17:15,750
it's almost as many pages as our city hall presentation.

1078
02:17:19,790 --> 02:17:19,790
I think every organization I'm involved with has had at least one,
If not multiple presentations.

1079
02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:25,990
and so I just want to say, you didn't really talk about how much communication you're
Doing all across the region,

1080
02:17:31,950 --> 02:17:31,950
but I think it's been really important. It's been very helpful.

1081
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:36,480
I do have a number of questions. Do you know yet how many people you're expecting to come
Into the region from outside?

1082
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:48,760
we, what we have in front of us is basically the percentages of people come purchasing
Tickets or ticket purchasers are coming from from

1083
02:17:58,400 --> 02:17:58,400
international domestic as well as texas. But texas isn't broken out local versus outside
Of the dfw area.

1084
02:18:06,040 --> 02:18:06,040
very strong. I, I, I look at the first five matches.

1085
02:18:10,840 --> 02:18:10,840
yeah, so basically on the first five matches,
Which those are our group stage, we already know where they're at.

1086
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:16,520
the international component ranges from about 45% to 56% international.

1087
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:22,800
the domestic ranges from some more 35% to 45%.

1088
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:30,440
and then the local is somewhere 5 to 15% depending on the match.

1089
02:18:36,760 --> 02:18:36,760
while I do have the last four matches because the teams aren't known that international
Number is lower,

1090
02:18:44,560 --> 02:18:44,560
but fifa holds those tickets until they know,
Obviously what teams are playing to be able to provide those.

1091
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:50,000
so we anticipate that the international will remain the same for those last four matches,
If not be higher than the group stage matches.

1092
02:18:59,000 --> 02:18:59,000
so we're very encouraged based off of those percentages of the numbers that are still
Coming from an international standpoint,

1093
02:19:05,520 --> 02:19:09,080
as well as those within the united states, but outside the state of texas. So knowing what the numbers are on top of that,
We're still anticipating 100,000, over 100,000 visitors per day especially

1094
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:18,600
around those match days, maybe, maybe a little less in between or people flying in and
Out.

1095
02:19:23,240 --> 02:19:23,240
but that's where we're at currently. I have a couple of public safety questions.

1096
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:28,000
I'm not sure who the right person is to answer them,
But my first one is if you are expecting an increase in the number of 911 calls over this

1097
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:35,840
period. Good morning everybody. I'm assistant tina schultz.

1098
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:46,080
over the patrol bureau side. And I'm also one of the co-chairs for fifa. The expectation probably is to see an increase.

1099
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:48,880
we've met with a lot of the countries and we've tried to explain the united states
Criminal justice system and how police work.

1100
02:19:56,520 --> 02:19:56,520
we've also encouraged them if they encounter anything to call 911.

1101
02:20:00,680 --> 02:20:00,680
so it's kind of the messaging that we pushed out. Like if there,
You know, somebody steals their wallet or things like that, we've kind of encouraged that.

1102
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:06,600
911. So I do see, I do see an increase in that,
Especially with our visitors and some of the things that might.

1103
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:14,240
and what's the preparation to be able to accept those calls in various languages for us.

1104
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:19,440
or 911 center has like a language line for our officers that that have to have
Interactions with our individuals from different countries.

1105
02:20:29,090 --> 02:20:32,090
we do have access to language line, but also on our body worn cameras. We have the ability to there's a translation button in there.

1106
02:20:35,610 --> 02:20:35,610
it's a little bit. I try to do it. The other day it was a little hard to get to,
But I don't get to do what patrol does every day. But we do have that ability to be able

1107
02:20:42,690 --> 02:20:42,690
to translate on those body worn cameras. I just wanted you to be able to say that tell us
About the changes that we'll see in staffing,

1108
02:20:50,970 --> 02:20:50,970
both for 901 for police and for fire during this period.

1109
02:20:56,090 --> 02:20:56,090
okay. So for our staffing model, we do have a mix of our regular on duty resources as well
As our off duty overtime components for the fan

1110
02:21:06,050 --> 02:21:06,050
fest as well as, as well as fifa. We're trying to balance out the overtime as well as the
Regular on duty,

1111
02:21:12,050 --> 02:21:12,050
but specifically, what are you looking at in terms of numbers.

1112
02:21:19,290 --> 02:21:22,970
numbers in regards to the number of people being at at fan fest and stuff like that? No, for fifa itself, for fifa itself, we're. Yeah.

1113
02:21:26,170 --> 02:21:26,170
I'm talking about staffing levels for police,
Fire and 911.

1114
02:21:30,250 --> 02:21:30,250
are you expecting to have 10% higher staffing and 911 you're going to add and you're going
To do mandatory overtime for police so that

1115
02:21:40,210 --> 02:21:40,210
we are adding, you know, 100, 200, 300 additional officers each shift.

1116
02:21:47,130 --> 02:21:49,570
I mean, like, how are you handling that specifically? Okay. For us on the patrol side, I can't speak for 901 because I don't really I haven't
Spoken to robert about that.

1117
02:21:55,410 --> 02:21:55,410
but for the patrol side we have limited the number of people that that can use
Discretionary leave in addition to,

1118
02:22:01,730 --> 02:22:04,490
especially like the central or southeast division. We've asked our, our patrol commanders to, to build in some overtime to,
To help manage those areas.

1119
02:22:10,450 --> 02:22:10,450
and if we have individuals that are going over to fanfest or ibc,
We built in trying to do a backfill for that.

1120
02:22:16,330 --> 02:22:16,330
so we still see our staffing levels to be a little bit higher than we normally do,
Because we've limited the number of people that can use discretionary leave.

1121
02:22:24,170 --> 02:22:27,370
so you will have less people taking discretionary time off. Plus you've authorized overtime, which is going to be reimbursed.

1122
02:22:30,930 --> 02:22:30,930
yes, ma'am. Okay. And then for fire. Can we talk about how we're going to handle.

1123
02:22:35,970 --> 02:22:35,970
are you expecting to have more runs? And if so,
Is there going to be any change in your staffing level?

1124
02:22:42,610 --> 02:22:42,610
well, of course, when we when we anticipate a higher population area,
The runs will coincide with that.

1125
02:22:48,090 --> 02:22:48,090
so that is something that we're anticipating. So some of the events and venues that we're
Looking at, those are going to be staffed separately outside of our daily minimum

1126
02:22:55,170 --> 02:22:58,290
staffing. Our daily minimum staffing will not be impacted. We will maintain that, but we also have surge plans.

1127
02:23:01,410 --> 02:23:05,330
as I explained in the presentation, where we've already created rosters. So if we get to a point where we see an increase in in incidents and that there may be a
Stress on the public safety that we're able to provide,

1128
02:23:13,730 --> 02:23:13,730
we will be pushing those out and having them in,
In play and in.

1129
02:23:18,370 --> 02:23:18,370
but you don't have a forecasted number of surge resources that you are already putting in
Place.

1130
02:23:25,610 --> 02:23:25,610
I mean, at fan fest, are you not going to have specific units that you just know are going
To be there?

1131
02:23:32,290 --> 02:23:32,290
yes, absolutely. We have established the staffing for fan fest,
Which is separate from our daily staffing that will have its own daily staffing out there.

1132
02:23:40,210 --> 02:23:42,970
so we have up staffed at venues such as that. We also do how many additional officers on the fire side will there be?

1133
02:23:48,450 --> 02:23:52,330
I'm just I'm looking for the actual numbers for police and fire. And so so the actual numbers will be dynamic,
Dynamic based on the amount of incidents coming in.

1134
02:23:56,770 --> 02:23:56,770
now what we do have are static numbers specifically for fan fest and specifically for some
Of these venues that are coming up through special events.

1135
02:24:04,170 --> 02:24:04,170
we have that staffing as well. So I will let chief ball carry the rest of it.

1136
02:24:10,610 --> 02:24:10,610
good morning everyone. Justin paul dallas fire chief.

1137
02:24:15,010 --> 02:24:15,010
yeah. Miss mendelsohn. So as far as fan fest,
We are.

1138
02:24:20,290 --> 02:24:20,290
we're stuffing. I believe the ratio is one paramedic per a thousand

1139
02:24:29,900 --> 02:24:29,900
people that are at the event. That is more than it's a lot more than the average.

1140
02:24:35,540 --> 02:24:35,540
so we're well staffed, the staffing, the staffing and who's going to do it has already
Been established.

1141
02:24:41,060 --> 02:24:41,060
we've also got teams with detection equipment out there for teams.

1142
02:24:49,300 --> 02:24:49,300
we've got a suppression team, urban search and rescue team.

1143
02:24:54,340 --> 02:24:54,340
they will be out there every single day. We've also got a list of members that you know.

1144
02:25:02,620 --> 02:25:02,620
so that's normal staffing. We've also got a list of members that have said we can be
Called any time.

1145
02:25:10,740 --> 02:25:10,740
so if if there's a an occurrence, an incident beyond the normal fee for staffing.

1146
02:25:20,900 --> 02:25:20,900
then we can quickly put our plan in place. And we have plenty of apparatus resources that
Have

1147
02:25:31,220 --> 02:25:31,220
a very short notice. We can put in place and that's already established.

1148
02:25:36,540 --> 02:25:36,540
okay. And tina, I don't know if this is you,
But have we talked to dps and the north texas tollway authority about highway response?

1149
02:25:48,340 --> 02:25:48,340
yeah, they've been in. Can you hear me? Yeah,
They've been involved in several meetings. And early on,

1150
02:25:52,780 --> 02:25:55,980
we, we made some requests for them to come internally and assist us. And due to the resources and stuff, because they're going to be working the interstates
And the outer areas, that's where their focus is going to be as people are traveling back

1151
02:26:02,460 --> 02:26:06,060
and forth. And do you know if they'll be adding staff? Will they be adding staff? No, ma'am. I just know that they brought some individuals from
All over their region.

1152
02:26:11,780 --> 02:26:11,780
so I can I can make the assumption, but I don't want to speak for them. Okay.

1153
02:26:16,100 --> 02:26:16,100
and then there has been enormous amount of activity all across the city working on fifa.

1154
02:26:22,780 --> 02:26:22,780
and I'm wondering, are we tracking the costs for every department on how much time they're
Spending for planning and execution?

1155
02:26:31,980 --> 02:26:31,980
yes we are. And so that we'll be able to submit that as potential reimbursement when visit
Dallas and the sports commission,

1156
02:26:41,740 --> 02:26:41,740
submit their paperwork to the state. We have and then also is that including the number of
Hours?

1157
02:26:49,980 --> 02:26:49,980
I mean, I would like to know how much time has our staff spent on this and not as a
Negative.

1158
02:26:55,900 --> 02:26:59,620
like this is what it takes to do this kind of an event. And that could help inform whether we want to do additional events and acknowledging what
It means.

1159
02:27:06,020 --> 02:27:09,740
we've brought in, you know, here we've got brett sitting down. I see rocky behind. We brought in people who are long time city staffers who were able to pick up a lot of
Important parts of

1160
02:27:19,630 --> 02:27:19,630
this. And, you know, that might need to be part of this plan for the next time.

1161
02:27:25,310 --> 02:27:28,910
so yes, thank you for that question and commentary. So we have followed the same model that we followed.

1162
02:27:33,550 --> 02:27:33,550
say, when we have an emergency in the city and we're having to bring in a lot of staff,
Office of emergency management has long had a form that we

1163
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:43,510
fill in. It includes hours. It includes the department name,
It includes what those expenditures were itemized.

1164
02:27:49,590 --> 02:27:49,590
and it's a similar form that we're using to submit to the sports commission to then submit
To the state for reimbursement.

1165
02:27:58,030 --> 02:27:58,030
does it include things? So like there was a mention of you were,
You were selecting corridors and locations using gis.

1166
02:28:06,310 --> 02:28:06,310
so everything from data analytics is coming,
Like everything across the entire area.

1167
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:11,990
oga working to, you know, get our, our dollars allocated federally,
Federally.

1168
02:28:17,670 --> 02:28:21,230
our lobbyists for that. I mean, is everything in there? So in our monthly meetings that brett has been conducting with in the office of emergency
Management,

1169
02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:31,110
we work through setting up a code and work day. And so staff is able to put in their time as they fill out their pay period submittals.

1170
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:40,070
well, I mean chairman was not here now, but he's saying that every single day they're
Answering questions.

1171
02:28:46,750 --> 02:28:50,150
so I would imagine his staff would need to do that as well. And you know, I do think that this is impacting the entire city.

1172
02:28:54,950 --> 02:28:54,950
and it'll be interesting to see what happens.

1173
02:28:59,150 --> 02:28:59,150
monica I probably am staying in town for it. So thank you very much.

1174
02:29:03,230 --> 02:29:03,230
thanks for your hard work on it. I hope it's very successful. Thank you chair.

1175
02:29:07,470 --> 02:29:10,510
gracey you're recognized for five minutes. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. And again, I just want to just publicly thank you all for for all of the hard work
And the stress that you've all endured working from vendors to

1176
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:20,030
security to planning all of these things and the stress to make this a reality publicly.

1177
02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:24,950
I want to thank you, but I also want to thank you for making this as inclusive as you
Could do that.

1178
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:34,230
chair west asked a question about other events. And yes, there are fifa events. Yes, ma'am. Oh,
I was going to throw you the oop.

1179
02:29:38,830 --> 02:29:38,830
I was waiting on it. But he asked about several events,
But I wanted to just publicly thank you for allowing,

1180
02:29:46,310 --> 02:29:46,310
you know, making it accessible, even though some may not be able to get to southern to
Fair park,

1181
02:29:52,270 --> 02:29:52,270
but making it, creating spaces to make it accessible for those residents who aren't able
To do that and specifically

1182
02:30:02,070 --> 02:30:02,070
districts one and district three, we're hosting the fifa event at mountain view college to
Make that this saturday to make that open to the community.

1183
02:30:10,030 --> 02:30:13,990
and you all have been very supportive and it is bigger than what I even imagined. I think we're up to about 400 people already in doing that.

1184
02:30:17,030 --> 02:30:20,030
but again, those are the type of things that I was concerned about. When fifa comes, some people from a traffic perspective are going to be stuck in their
Neighborhoods and things like that.

1185
02:30:25,710 --> 02:30:29,630
so how can we still make them create that experience for them? So I just wanted to publicly thank you all for doing that,
And then also say that we are working on,

1186
02:30:35,350 --> 02:30:35,350
of all of the planning and all of the things that we're doing. I've been talking to a
Couple of colleagues from other cities, other elected officials in planning just a time of

1187
02:30:43,390 --> 02:30:43,390
prayer just to pray for all of these different things that you all have been working
Diligently to secure,

1188
02:30:48,030 --> 02:30:51,830
from security to traffic to all of these things,
Just having a time of prayer. So stay tuned. We're going to try to work on doing that next week.

1189
02:30:55,110 --> 02:30:55,110
but thank you, mr. Mayor. Is there anyone who wants to ask a question or make a comment on
This first panel today?

1190
02:31:05,310 --> 02:31:08,600
I don't see anyone. So thank you very much, y'all. Good to see you. Good to see you. Former employees back and good to see you all.

1191
02:31:13,160 --> 02:31:17,080
monica, did you bring the trophy with you by any chance tonight? You didn't bring it. Okay. All right. All right,
Guys, so like I said, we are going to we're going to recess for an hour,

1192
02:31:26,600 --> 02:31:26,600
roughly come back at 1:00. And with our second briefing for today,
Madam city manager, if that works for you.

1193
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:34,440
yes, sir. That does. Thank you so much. Okay,
So we'll see you guys back here, everyone at 1 p.m.

1194
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:40,200
for briefing item b. Okay. Thank you. Right. We're just going to everyone lunch on their
Own.

1195
02:31:52,560 --> 02:31:52,560
all right. We got our quorum back. So we're going to reconvene here at 117 and throw it
Back to the city manager's

1196
02:32:02,480 --> 02:32:06,360
office to tee up our second briefing for today. Briefing. B. Thank you mayor. I want to kick this over to john and the team.

1197
02:32:15,800 --> 02:32:18,520
john, I'll let you take from here. All right. Thank you, chief artis. We appreciate the opportunity. Joanna,
I'm going to start today on slide three,

1198
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:23,600
which is the purpose. Today's briefing is the second phase of the process that's directed
By city council in march.

1199
02:32:30,280 --> 02:32:30,280
the purpose of today's briefing is to allow the consultant teams to present their proposed
Repair strategies,

1200
02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:39,320
the implementation, phasing and planning level cost estimates. This information will help inform future policy discussions regarding city hall,
And no action is requested today.

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as a reminder, on march 4th, city council approved a resolution that,
Among other things,

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directed the city manager to develop a repair and replacement program that prioritizes the
Most critical needs and includes no fewer than two phased repair options over a ten

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02:33:02,160 --> 02:33:02,160
year period following city council's resolution,
The city manager directed this work be performed by outside experts with relevant,

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02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:15,040
relevant experience in civic facilities and large scale renovations. Two independent firms were engaged to review available assessments,
Conduct site visits, meetings with maintenance staff and develop their own repair

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02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:23,320
strategies. Council received the phase one briefing on may 20th,
Which focused on the methodology,

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02:33:29,080 --> 02:33:29,080
assumptions and prioritization, and today's briefing is the next step in that process.

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02:33:35,160 --> 02:33:37,720
the presentation is divided into three sections. First, gresham smith will present its repair strategies,
Phasing options and planning level estimates.

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02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:43,600
second, w m2 company will provide its summary on peer review and alternative repair
Strategies and estimates.

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02:33:50,600 --> 02:33:50,600
and finally, cbre will discuss additional considerations,
Including swing space modernization and other ownership costs to be considered.

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following the presentation, the teams will be available for questions. And with that, I will turn it over to jen murphy with gresham smith.

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good afternoon, mayor and city council members and city leadership.

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02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:11,680
I'm jen murphy, senior associate and civic practice leader with gresham smith.

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02:34:16,960 --> 02:34:16,960
we appreciate your time on the agenda today and are happy to be back for the agenda.

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02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:21,760
introduction by chief johnson. We are here to brief you with our final proposed dallas
City hall phased repair program.

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02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:30,200
next slide please. Collectively, this team provides architecture,
Engineering and consulting services for municipalities

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02:34:39,320 --> 02:34:39,320
nationwide to support the creation of healthy,
Thriving communities.

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02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:43,760
this is at the heart of gresham smith's mission and our team partners.

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02:34:49,160 --> 02:34:49,160
speaking today, in addition to myself from gresham smith,
We have lizzy gerak, the team project manager that's kept us on task.

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02:34:58,800 --> 02:35:02,610
chris kuhn, architectural studio design leader with gresham smith. From the athenian group to the left, tanya and farley farley,
Senior vice president of client solutions.

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02:35:09,210 --> 02:35:09,210
with extensive city hall experience, and from img representing mechanical,
Plumbing, electrical fire protection engineering,

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02:35:17,530 --> 02:35:17,530
is the project executive. Dustin yates and senior structural engineer john rojas.

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02:35:23,490 --> 02:35:23,490
just there? Yes. Quick review of our team's agenda today.

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02:35:31,570 --> 02:35:31,570
we're going to do a brief overview of our approach that we talked about last time.

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02:35:36,890 --> 02:35:36,890
in addition, we want to to better be able to communicate to you how the city hall is
Structured and designed.

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02:35:45,610 --> 02:35:45,610
because that certainly played into our phasing implementation plans.

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02:35:49,930 --> 02:35:49,930
we're going to outline our risk assessment baseline,
Which helped us prioritize the phasing.

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02:35:56,650 --> 02:35:56,650
we're also going to review our phased repair strategies presenting the two scenarios,
Scenarios required in the phase plans and additional considerations.

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02:36:06,370 --> 02:36:06,370
and of course the planning level cost estimates.

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02:36:13,610 --> 02:36:13,610
as a reminder, our approach to design to decision making.

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02:36:17,810 --> 02:36:17,810
these are the guiding principles we asked ourselves throughout the study and the
Development of the the two phased implementation plans.

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02:36:25,810 --> 02:36:25,810
so maximizing the use of taxpayer dollars. This is in essence,
Our team ensuring the ideas and approaches are realistic and reasonable.

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02:36:34,210 --> 02:36:34,210
there are many, many ideas, which I'm sure several of you all have heard those over time
Over the last several months.

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02:36:41,770 --> 02:36:44,410
there are many, many ideas that can be considered. Some that are may be the fanciest and newest approaches,
And others that are bare minimum band-aid approaches.

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02:36:51,450 --> 02:36:51,450
with our team's extensive municipal experience,
We wanted to balance the ideas, directions and budget so that it's feasible,

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02:37:00,050 --> 02:37:00,050
realistic and quality. In addition, we also certainly looked at minimizing the operational
Disruption during those phases,

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02:37:10,050 --> 02:37:10,050
maximizing construction efficiency and mobilization,
Keeping an eye on the future holistic view.

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02:37:16,770 --> 02:37:16,770
so making sure that we're, again, not just band aiding and fixing today,
But that for any future modernization that you can connect into the building systems

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02:37:26,770 --> 02:37:26,770
and those be flexible and considering the building's historic highlights.

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02:37:34,410 --> 02:37:34,410
we, we did prepare this diagram just to clarify what we feel are elements of the scope
That in a phased renovation of this magnitude would

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02:37:43,810 --> 02:37:43,810
automatically be triggered and cannot realistically be separated out as they we don't see
Those as being elective.

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02:37:51,730 --> 02:37:51,730
the base building core elements and those included in the previous option by others are
Identified in the red.

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02:37:58,860 --> 02:38:02,780
so those are certainly included in our cost estimates. The budget estimates that we have added to this though,
Are shown in the orange blocks.

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02:38:10,460 --> 02:38:10,460
and these are the triggered items that we feel like not only replace a component,
But they make sure that we are following the full

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02:38:20,460 --> 02:38:20,460
building system so that at the distribution point,
We have effectively repaired the entire system to make it cohesive.

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02:38:30,700 --> 02:38:30,700
in addition, we are the, the orange covers, ada,
Fire upgrades, all of the things that abatement,

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02:38:38,460 --> 02:38:38,460
etc. That we feel like that once you have started this level of renovation,
You would be required to do so.

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02:38:48,780 --> 02:38:48,780
next slide please. We did want to show just an example.

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02:38:55,780 --> 02:38:55,780
certainly this we do not know that we're going to have to do something like this,
But we did want to show you when you when you look at something simple like replacement of

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02:39:04,740 --> 02:39:04,740
a toilet fixture, what you don't see is, is what we're talking about from a triggered
Standpoint.

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02:39:10,540 --> 02:39:10,540
so if you're, if you're looking left to right on this image slide,
The first photo is to replace a broken toilet.

1251
02:39:17,980 --> 02:39:21,140
seems like a simple thing. That's what you see. But as you remove that plumbing fixture, potentially there's hidden water damage behind
The walls and in the floors,

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02:39:28,460 --> 02:39:28,460
there may be asbestos wrapped pipes, there may be evidence of corroded or leaking pipes,
Etc.

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02:39:35,420 --> 02:39:35,420
that are behind that wall. This could potentially trigger certainly digging into the tile,

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02:39:42,140 --> 02:39:45,940
into the floor, etc. To be able to repair those items. And then once you start digging into flooring and changing out replacement,
Now you've also triggered ada,

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02:39:53,140 --> 02:39:53,140
more abatement, etc. And eventually it can become a full replacement.

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02:39:58,260 --> 02:39:58,260
when you started out with something simple. So this is certainly an extreme example,
But wanted to be able to provide something to you about what we mean by those triggered

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02:40:08,260 --> 02:40:08,260
items that in a in a phased renovation plan,
You do need to consider that something that may esthetically,

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02:40:16,940 --> 02:40:16,940
if you walked into a space today looks like it's great and functioning,
It may not actually be that way.

1259
02:40:26,580 --> 02:40:26,580
and we'll see. Next slide. So I'm going to pass it on to chris kuehn now with gresham
Smith.

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02:40:32,060 --> 02:40:32,060
he is our architect on the project. And he's going to give you a walkthrough of the
Building and its design.

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02:40:37,780 --> 02:40:37,780
as we learned from the previous, I think a good understanding of how this building was put
Together.

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02:40:44,100 --> 02:40:44,100
because certainly that helped us with our assessment and our final plans.

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02:40:50,020 --> 02:40:50,020
good afternoon. That last image reminded me of a of a renovation that I did at my house a
Couple of years ago.

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02:40:57,140 --> 02:40:57,140
one little thing snowballs. Next slide. Oh, sorry.

1265
02:41:01,380 --> 02:41:01,380
so if you could go back one so one of the questions that came up in our last meeting that
Really kind of touched with us was one of,

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02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:10,580
one of the council members made a comment about needing a better understanding of the
Building dallas city hall and its shortcomings.

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02:41:17,780 --> 02:41:17,780
so the next couple of slides are intended to kind of explain a little bit about the
Building and its organization.

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02:41:25,580 --> 02:41:25,580
and this is important for two reasons. Obviously,
We want to understand how the building is designed and how the systems are designed.

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02:41:33,380 --> 02:41:33,380
but more importantly, that will give us sort of some logic,
If you will, on how we can approach a repair strategy.

1270
02:41:41,700 --> 02:41:41,700
so you know, we, we really delved into this issue as we were looking through and we want
To just share kind of the process and the organization

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02:41:51,510 --> 02:41:55,430
that we've uncovered. While we were looking at the drawings. Next slide please. So the city has done a great job of preserving pretty much all of the
Original construction draft construction documents for

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02:42:05,430 --> 02:42:05,430
this project, with the exception of a few electrical items,
Electrical sheets.

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02:42:10,350 --> 02:42:10,350
we have pretty much all of the original drawings,
Which is fantastic.

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02:42:15,390 --> 02:42:15,390
on this slide, we've included a building plan,
A key plan, also the north elevation and a section just to kind of show kind of our

1275
02:42:25,230 --> 02:42:25,230
approach to really looking at the documents. The key plan is on all of the drawings and,
And it really is,

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02:42:32,670 --> 02:42:32,670
it's a nice simple diagram to really kind of get to the heart of how the building is
Organized.

1277
02:42:38,510 --> 02:42:38,510
and I think a lot of, you know, this based on walking around the building because there is
The floor and then the zone that is on each kind of wall and section.

1278
02:42:48,030 --> 02:42:48,030
and so as you're aware the building is, is lettered a,
B, c, d, e, and f e being the zone where the council chamber is.

1279
02:42:58,910 --> 02:42:58,910
and then b, c and d being the area to the, to that direction,
Which is where the atrium is in

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02:43:08,430 --> 02:43:08,430
between each one of these zones highlighted in orange here are what are defined as the
Service zones.

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02:43:14,110 --> 02:43:14,110
that's where your mechanical, your stairs, your electrical your elevators,
Restrooms are in that.

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02:43:21,550 --> 02:43:21,550
and, and those serves service zones. Serve the office spaces to the left or right of the
Space shown in white in this,

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02:43:30,990 --> 02:43:30,990
in this plan diagram. So this idea of the service and the serve zones is something that
Was prevalent in architecture at that time and was used to organize this

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02:43:40,590 --> 02:43:40,590
building. So you can see it in the facade where we've we've highlighted in orange those
Zones.

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02:43:47,630 --> 02:43:47,630
and also when you walk around the building shown in the image on the upper left.

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02:43:52,430 --> 02:43:52,430
next slide please. And so the building has these six zones with their sort of
Self-contained service

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02:44:02,390 --> 02:44:06,030
zone, either to the left or right in general terms. And there as you can see zone e is where the council chambers is with the two zones left
And right and then highlighting

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02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:15,990
zone b, c, and d. And so within each one of these zones,
All of the major mechanical and the penthouse actually comes down that service

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02:44:25,670 --> 02:44:25,670
zone and then serves the office space left or right.

1290
02:44:30,750 --> 02:44:30,750
and if we go to the next slide, we kind of exploded,
Pulled apart the zone b diagram to kind of illustrate this with a little bit more detail.

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02:44:41,470 --> 02:44:41,470
you can see the floor plate on the far left as they stack up in the building,
And then within that service zone.

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02:44:48,840 --> 02:44:48,840
I'd like to point out the two stairwells. You can see the treads to give you a sense of
Scale of of how big this is.

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02:44:57,240 --> 02:44:57,240
and and then the elevator shafts would be number three and then the restrooms number four.

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02:45:04,360 --> 02:45:04,360
we've separated the mechanical ductwork. Number five,
Just to provide a little clarity.

1295
02:45:10,200 --> 02:45:10,200
but the idea is that from the penthouse, the major where the major mechanical air handling
Units are,

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02:45:17,240 --> 02:45:17,240
all of the ductwork comes down that service zone and then goes horizontally and into the
Office floors.

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02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:25,760
and so what this means, and the important takeaway of this is each one of those zones are
Self-contained.

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02:45:32,520 --> 02:45:32,520
we're not pulling ductwork from other areas. The mechanical and electrical is all within
That zone.

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02:45:38,440 --> 02:45:38,440
so there's an opportunity to shut down that specific zone,
Do the work required, and then open it up again.

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02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:45,680
and you'll see when we when dustin gets into the the phasing diagrams on the next few
Pages,

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02:45:53,160 --> 02:45:53,160
you'll see how we've used that concept to break the building into pieces that are a little
Bit more manageable.

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and that kind of creates the strategy for phasing.

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02:46:05,640 --> 02:46:05,640
dustin. Thank you, chris, and thank you, mayor and council.

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02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:13,120
over the next several slides, I'll walk through how our team translated the facility
Findings into practical renovation strategies.

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02:46:20,680 --> 02:46:20,680
our objective was not simply to identify what needs repair,
But to determine the most effective sequence for performing these repairs while balancing

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02:46:28,400 --> 02:46:28,400
risk, cost, operational continuity, and long term needs of the building.

1307
02:46:34,680 --> 02:46:34,680
and so this risk based prioritization framework.

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02:46:41,120 --> 02:46:41,120
this is what we referenced in our previous presentation.

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02:46:45,320 --> 02:46:45,320
this framework served as one of the primary decision making tools for our team.

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02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:50,120
as you can see, the vertical axis represents the likelihood of failure based on the
Condition assessments,

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02:46:55,240 --> 02:46:58,600
industry standards, and information provided to us. The horizontal axis represents the potential impact that a failure would have on the
Building operations,

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02:47:04,280 --> 02:47:04,280
public services, and occupant safety. We also provided these lines the dashed lines that
Are in blue prioritization lines

1313
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:15,040
these items located in the upper right portion of the chart represent systems that combine
Both high risk and high consequence.

1314
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:22,800
these include critical critical infrastructure such as the emergency generators,
Roofing systems,

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02:47:29,040 --> 02:47:32,240
expansion joints, and water intrusion concerns. So from a planning perspective, these are the systems we believe should receive the
Earliest attention because they could impact the operations and result in significant

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02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:41,600
higher costs and failures if failures occur unexpectedly.

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02:47:47,000 --> 02:47:47,000
items positioned lower on the chart, such as the lighting,
Air handlers and certain distribution systems remain important,

1318
02:47:55,400 --> 02:47:55,400
but can generally be repaired or replaced in a more controlled,
Phased approach over time within this building.

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02:48:03,040 --> 02:48:03,040
next slide please. So once priorities

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02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:12,600
prioritize were established, the next challenge was determined determining how these
Repairs could actually be executed within the occupied city hall.

1321
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:22,240
to do that, we overlaid the risk framework onto that building's physical infrastructure
That chris just went over.

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02:48:29,040 --> 02:48:29,040
we evaluated hvac service zones, electrical distribution sections,
Plumbing systems.

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02:48:34,850 --> 02:48:34,850
vertical transportation. Transportation, and how each of those systems interact with
Different portions of the building.

1324
02:48:41,690 --> 02:48:41,690
rather than creating arbitrary construction zones,
We developed phasing strategies around the way the building actually operates.

1325
02:48:48,810 --> 02:48:48,810
this approach allows repairs to be completed in logical segments,
While minimizing disruption to the critical city functions and reducing the likelihood of

1326
02:48:57,050 --> 02:48:57,050
creating temporary operational challenges elsewhere in the building.

1327
02:49:01,530 --> 02:49:01,530
so on this slide here, through this analysis,
We developed two distinct approaches.

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02:49:08,210 --> 02:49:10,210
neither approach is inherently right or wrong. Instead, they represent different priorities and different levels of operational
Flexibility.

1329
02:49:15,450 --> 02:49:15,450
scenario a emphasizes construction efficiency by consolidating work into larger phases.

1330
02:49:21,690 --> 02:49:21,690
it minimizes, minimizes mobilization, shortens the overall duration,
And reduces the impact of construction cost escalation.

1331
02:49:29,690 --> 02:49:33,570
scenario b emphasizes operational flexibility. It breaks the work into smaller phases, allowing for more gradual occupant relocation and
Providing greater flexibility to adapt operational needs throughout the program.

1332
02:49:43,410 --> 02:49:43,410
next slide please. So this first one that we're looking at is our scenario a,

1333
02:49:53,250 --> 02:49:53,250
which organizes this work into three major phases over approximately 6.4 years.

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02:49:59,370 --> 02:49:59,370
phase one focuses on the building system that present the highest risk and greatest impact
To operations.

1335
02:50:05,450 --> 02:50:05,450
these include the emergency generators, roof and penthouse infrastructure,
Structural expansion joints,

1336
02:50:10,730 --> 02:50:10,730
and waterproofing environments. You can see these highlighted in the light blue.

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02:50:15,130 --> 02:50:19,010
most of the equipments on the roof. It will include expansion joints within the plaza. And then you can see on the bottom left of that underground is that generator room.

1338
02:50:27,130 --> 02:50:27,130
there are several advantages that I want to point out with the items that are included in
This phase one.

1339
02:50:33,370 --> 02:50:33,370
so first, many of these systems are among the highest priority items identified in our
Risk assessment.

1340
02:50:41,370 --> 02:50:41,370
second, these projects address building wide vulnerable and help reduce the potential for
Future deterioration and emergency repairs.

1341
02:50:50,730 --> 02:50:50,730
and third, much of this work can be completed with minimal occupant displacement,
Allowing the city to address critical infrastructure needs while maintaining

1342
02:51:00,570 --> 02:51:00,570
day to day operations. Phase two and phase three phase two is highlighted in the green
Portion,

1343
02:51:09,730 --> 02:51:09,730
the west side of the city hall with as well as the underground layers and phase three is
The yellow on the east side.

1344
02:51:17,530 --> 02:51:17,530
focus more on these interior renovation zones,
Defined by going back to what chris had just presented the separate hvac zones.

1345
02:51:27,170 --> 02:51:27,170
electrical zones that could be shut down without affecting the rest of the building and
Plumbing distribution systems,

1346
02:51:34,690 --> 02:51:34,690
allowing this building to be modernized, larger and more efficient construction packages.

1347
02:51:41,730 --> 02:51:41,730
next slide please. This slide represents our scenario b.

1348
02:51:48,730 --> 02:51:48,730
it begins with that same phase one. Because we believe that critical infrastructure and
Work remains the highest priority.

1349
02:51:56,010 --> 02:51:56,010
again, those are also items that would be least disruptive to occupants having to shift
Around within the

1350
02:52:05,570 --> 02:52:05,570
building or alternate spaces. The difference occurs in the interior renovation phases of
This,

1351
02:52:11,770 --> 02:52:11,770
though. Instead of combining large portions of the building into two major construction
Efforts,

1352
02:52:17,010 --> 02:52:17,010
scenario b divides this work into four smaller renovation phases,
Based largely on the hvac zones,

1353
02:52:23,850 --> 02:52:23,850
electrical distribution, and operational considerations.

1354
02:52:28,220 --> 02:52:28,220
so the benefit of this approach is reduced displacement at one time and greater
Flexibility to accommodate the city's operations through construction.

1355
02:52:37,020 --> 02:52:37,020
the trade off is that additional phases phases increase overall duration,
Increase mobilization costs and expose the project to more years of

1356
02:52:46,340 --> 02:52:46,340
construction escalation. Next slide. Once these priorities were

1357
02:52:56,340 --> 02:52:56,340
established, the next challenge was determining how those repairs could actually be
Executed within an occupied city hall.

1358
02:53:03,580 --> 02:53:03,580
to do that, we overlaid the risk framework onto the building's physical infrastructure.

1359
02:53:10,780 --> 02:53:10,780
just kidding. So what this slide illustrates is the fundamental trade off between
Efficiency and flexibility.

1360
02:53:18,620 --> 02:53:18,620
so scenario a provides the shortest overall schedule,
Fewer mobilizations, and the lowest overall cost.

1361
02:53:24,460 --> 02:53:24,460
however, it requires larger relocations and concentrates disruption into fewer but larger
Phases.

1362
02:53:30,700 --> 02:53:30,700
scenario b spreads the work over a longer period,
Resulting in smaller relocation and less disruption during each individual phase.

1363
02:53:38,100 --> 02:53:38,100
however, the extended timeline increases exposure to inflation and construction
Escalation.

1364
02:53:43,860 --> 02:53:43,860
it's also important to emphasize that these are planning scenarios because the building
Systems are organized into multiple operational zones,

1365
02:53:53,660 --> 02:53:53,660
the city has flexibility to modify, combine,
Add or refined phases as priorities evolve and additional information becomes available

1366
02:54:02,020 --> 02:54:02,020
during design. Next slide. And here I'm going to hand it over to tammy and farley with
Athenian group to discuss

1367
02:54:11,620 --> 02:54:11,620
additional considerations. Thank you, I appreciate it.

1368
02:54:16,140 --> 02:54:16,140
mayor, council members and city leadership, thank you for having us here again today as we
Continue to walk through the options available to you with this facility.

1369
02:54:23,980 --> 02:54:26,100
I think if you can go to the next slide. Perfect. That's great. Occupied is I think it's important to define what occupied means.

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02:54:31,420 --> 02:54:31,420
I know there are a lot of questions last time about,
You know, how many people could stay in the building and otherwise. And as dustin ran

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02:54:36,740 --> 02:54:36,740
through, our program focuses on how we can work through an occupied space.

1372
02:54:41,220 --> 02:54:41,220
so what occupied means to us in our numbers and our schedules in other word,
Is that, you know,

1373
02:54:46,220 --> 02:54:46,220
there are 2200 people assigned to this building,
Per the report from corgan and otherwise,

1374
02:54:50,980 --> 02:54:50,980
that averages between 1100 and 1800 active users a day,
And that includes members of the public who come in and out and otherwise 48 public

1375
02:54:58,900 --> 02:54:58,900
restrooms and service that, you know, the great dallas city staff have done to maintain
And keep alive during the many years of their service.

1376
02:55:05,580 --> 02:55:05,580
and then three elevator banks, blue, red and green that are occupied that are available to
Us during this time period.

1377
02:55:13,020 --> 02:55:13,020
it also means you know, this is city hall. This is where the core of city services come
From.

1378
02:55:18,540 --> 02:55:18,540
and so critical functions that cannot go dark during our occupied phasing include 911
Operations,

1379
02:55:25,190 --> 02:55:25,190
three on one services, fire dispatch, dallas city council meetings and associated boards,
Commissions related and public facing services that are here to support the

1380
02:55:35,150 --> 02:55:35,150
city. 24 over seven so constraints that we have to go through this project.

1381
02:55:39,310 --> 02:55:39,310
you know, no disruptive work on wednesdays. And really when we say wednesdays,
We mean any day that there are meetings going on in this facility specifically that

1382
02:55:48,030 --> 02:55:48,030
support public operations or public decisions,
We have to be careful in how we phase that.

1383
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:52,950
and as chris and dustin showed, you know, block e of this facility is that area,
Right?

1384
02:55:58,470 --> 02:55:58,470
that has those public operations. So we'll talk about that schedule wise in a second
Loading dock disruption and detours for major events.

1385
02:56:05,350 --> 02:56:05,350
as we know right now with the world cup here,
The loading dock has been mostly closed. There are other events like that slated for the

1386
02:56:10,430 --> 02:56:10,430
city of dallas in the future. So planning for some of that in our occupied program,
Historic preservation designation components for this facility.

1387
02:56:17,790 --> 02:56:17,790
so we understand the memorandum that's in place today,
And moratorium that's in place today and are looking at how that impacts the facility,

1388
02:56:24,990 --> 02:56:24,990
but also understanding what may happen in the future. Looking at the original cast iron
Plumbing that's in certain parts of this building and what we can do in some of those

1389
02:56:33,350 --> 02:56:33,350
areas. And then finally, you know, some of the unlabeled electrical panels building wide,
You know,

1390
02:56:37,790 --> 02:56:37,790
the city staff, the supporting contractors have done a phenomenal job of working through
That.

1391
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:45,630
but we know that's something we have to navigate as we go through this project. Next slide please. So when we go to schedules here in just a second,
I think it's important to understand what each of these schedules for each phase include,

1392
02:56:53,270 --> 02:56:53,270
right? So as jen ran through on, I think the fourth slide of this presentation,
What we are costing in this project is the repair components,

1393
02:57:02,510 --> 02:57:02,510
all of the elements that are triggered, and then some of the escalation or other areas
That are a part of our program.

1394
02:57:07,390 --> 02:57:07,390
when you go to actually repair this work, you know,
Not just like for like replacement.

1395
02:57:11,430 --> 02:57:11,430
so things that are in our schedule are slightly different,
Right? So we have prep space for construction.

1396
02:57:16,110 --> 02:57:16,110
so our job to make safe and otherwise when it comes to asbestos abatement or other
Mobilization components.

1397
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:21,590
but there's also time in the schedule for move out of occupants,
Furniture, etc., which is being costed by cbre and other teams.

1398
02:57:28,910 --> 02:57:31,470
so I'm not going to talk about that cost today. Our schedule also includes abatement, demo and construction of the base building
Components that we talked about and includes time for tenant renovation of office area,

1399
02:57:40,590 --> 02:57:40,590
which is once again costed by cbre. But we're carrying a construction schedule number per
Month.

1400
02:57:46,990 --> 02:57:46,990
furniture installation once again costed by cbre and then moving of city staff both in and
Out of their spaces during swing time,

1401
02:57:54,750 --> 02:57:54,750
which is also costed by cbre. But that's all built in our schedules that you're seeing
Here today.

1402
02:57:59,710 --> 02:57:59,710
next slide. All right. So you know, dustin talked about our two approaches and really what
That boils down to from a timing perspective is

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02:58:09,630 --> 02:58:09,630
that option a is our highest construction efficiency and thus delivers the program in the
Shortest time period.

1404
02:58:16,230 --> 02:58:16,230
it's about 6.4 years total. You can see that with phase one,
The focus is on a lot of those major mechanical components.

1405
02:58:24,190 --> 02:58:28,070
as dustin said, to line out basically the basis of the rest of the project. But one thing I do want to note here is that with this program,
There's a little bit higher square footage needed for swing spaces about 193,000 square

1406
02:58:36,340 --> 02:58:36,340
foot of usable swing space. But this also blocks the component e of the building,
Which is this area and adjacent to this area,

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02:58:46,510 --> 02:58:50,310
which includes time for what I call off our work. Right. So this would be nights, weekends, council breaks related components.

1408
02:58:55,190 --> 02:58:55,190
this is for modernization, repair of the council chambers and the associated areas of this
Part of the building.

1409
02:59:00,830 --> 02:59:00,830
I can tell you from experience in doing council chamber renovations for los angeles
County,

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02:59:06,030 --> 02:59:06,030
city of fort worth and others that the off hour and or council recess time periods are
Really your only time to do this.

1411
02:59:13,030 --> 02:59:13,030
it is very difficult to relocate council meetings from an infrastructure perspective,
From a security perspective,

1412
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:19,080
from a cost perspective. And so working this way is completely doable,
Has been done, and we navigate it in this space.

1413
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:25,640
in parallel on this program, we're also looking at the work on the facade of the facility,

1414
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:30,640
the plaza, outside water ceiling, and otherwise to really bring this all together.

1415
02:59:35,200 --> 02:59:35,200
we firmly believe this six point year program is the most efficient with the scope of work
That's available to us today.

1416
02:59:41,360 --> 02:59:41,360
and once again, includes that move in and related components that we talked about earlier.

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02:59:45,720 --> 02:59:47,960
if you can go to the next slide, there we go. Perfect. You know, we were tasked originally to look at,
You know, no less than two options of how to do these repairs,

1418
02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:54,240
one of which needed to be a ten year option. You can see in this option,
You have the most flexibility from a funding perspective,

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03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:02,640
from how you organize things and related because as you saw just a few seconds ago,
As long as you do the major mechanical and plant components at the beginning,

1420
03:00:10,680 --> 03:00:14,120
you have a little bit of flexibility in how you sequence the other components. Now in this phase, we're looking at taking in phase two,
Focusing on the council block, as well as building out the area for 311911,

1421
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:26,960
because that's difficult to run in a temporary capacity. Building that and moving those folks in prior to some of the other work.

1422
03:00:30,640 --> 03:00:30,640
we've also built in some flexibility here with about a 12 month break between most of the
Phases that can help with,

1423
03:00:36,760 --> 03:00:36,760
depending on how this project is financed, give you more time to put that funding forth,
Give you more time to plan in between.

1424
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:43,120
and ultimately, if you are doing renovation,
You're doing multiple moves or otherwise that are that are not a part of our scope,

1425
03:00:49,960 --> 03:00:49,960
but maybe are a part of what cbre is costing this build some flexibility into that program
As well.

1426
03:00:54,720 --> 03:00:54,720
so this is definitely more flexible, but because of the total duration of the project,
It does add escalation costs as dustin brought up.

1427
03:01:03,800 --> 03:01:06,720
and so that's something we'll talk about in just a second. If you can go to the next slide for me. So each phase also has pros and cons from a swing
Space need by phase.

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03:01:14,280 --> 03:01:14,280
and I'm sure the folks in cbre will cover the cost of that in their presentation later
Today.

1429
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:21,760
but scenario a has the highest swing space need. And that's because we, as we talked about, are looking at construction efficiency here.

1430
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:25,520
we're looking at minimizing the total number of mobilizations,
Minimizing the total dollar value from escalation incurred by the city to maximize the

1431
03:01:35,000 --> 03:01:35,000
value of your dollar and really ultimately complete the project in a more timely manner.

1432
03:01:39,320 --> 03:01:39,320
however, you know, it is doable, and it does incur about 190 300 zero square foot peak
Displacement for city staff who those staff are and otherwise are part of a

1433
03:01:49,080 --> 03:01:49,080
broader program that we need to be done to understand efficiency operationally,
But is completely doable.

1434
03:01:54,680 --> 03:01:58,280
scenario b provides you smaller chunks throughout the facility. Ultimately, your peak displacement is about 130 200 zero square foot during that,
And that allows you to move folks out of the facility into the swing space while critical

1435
03:02:07,320 --> 03:02:10,290
work is being done and then move them back into their new home. Throughout the project, there may be opportunities in later phases for folks to swing
Space to other locations in the facility,

1436
03:02:17,250 --> 03:02:17,250
instead of out of the building. Part of that would need to be studied further,
But that could be an economic efficiency for the city as you look at phase b as well.

1437
03:02:25,210 --> 03:02:25,210
scenario b sorry. All right. Next slide. So let's start to talk about the dollar values
Associated with this program and these options.

1438
03:02:34,570 --> 03:02:34,570
so in our program I think a couple things I want to make sure we address as well.

1439
03:02:40,010 --> 03:02:40,010
number one, so as jen talked about on slide four of this program,
Which really covers, you know,

1440
03:02:45,850 --> 03:02:45,850
what's in our number versus what's in other numbers,
I do want to make sure that it's clear that the numbers provided by aecom were costed in

1441
03:02:53,130 --> 03:02:53,130
$2,028. Okay. And our program was tasked to start in 2028.

1442
03:02:58,370 --> 03:02:58,370
and so there is an escalation number that is carried year over year that I'll talk about
In a second.

1443
03:03:03,570 --> 03:03:03,570
that does start to incur from 20 2028. On. And so even if we were to do nothing different
From a straight repair like for like than the a number,

1444
03:03:13,570 --> 03:03:13,570
you're still looking at about 20% increase in cost,
Just escalating to the midpoint of that program.

1445
03:03:18,850 --> 03:03:18,850
right? So that alone gets you to about $420 million as a part of that project.

1446
03:03:24,890 --> 03:03:24,890
with our project as well, we are also looking at scope triggers that happen along the way.

1447
03:03:29,570 --> 03:03:29,570
so I talked about ada. I talked about texas accessibility or taas components.

1448
03:03:34,170 --> 03:03:36,490
we talked about lighting, code, energy code,
Etc. And so those components really make up the bulk of the difference between the $420 million
And the remainder of our project dollars.

1449
03:03:43,770 --> 03:03:43,770
so scenario a less expensive focuses on fastest construction mobilization number over a
Three year period.

1450
03:03:52,970 --> 03:03:52,970
scenario b is higher cost over the ten year period.

1451
03:03:57,010 --> 03:03:57,010
now part of what we did with both approaches to try and minimize the escalation cost to
The city.

1452
03:04:02,370 --> 03:04:02,370
one of the things we talked about early on was being as efficient as possible with
Taxpayer dollars.

1453
03:04:07,570 --> 03:04:07,570
as we looked at how we could put most of the high cost,
High inflation numbers like electrical,

1454
03:04:13,650 --> 03:04:13,650
mechanical, etc. In phase one. So try to keep it in the earlier phases so you don't incur
Inflation as much escalation in those.

1455
03:04:21,490 --> 03:04:21,490
and so that's why there's not a relatively a huge difference between our scenario a and a
Scenario b.

1456
03:04:27,530 --> 03:04:27,530
and that's because we bring the bulk of our dollars forward. So if you go look at the next
Slide here what's built into our costs here.

1457
03:04:35,290 --> 03:04:35,290
right. So I talked about that, you know, the a numbers and some of the other numbers
Presented prior to this really came from 2028 forward or 2028 backwards.

1458
03:04:45,130 --> 03:04:45,130
and so I think it's important to call out things that are in our numbers to make sure that
It is a real number for you guys to make decisions off of and otherwise considering all

1459
03:04:53,610 --> 03:04:53,610
components. So the first is we have a blended escalation of 4.5% annually that's applied
From 2029 forward.

1460
03:05:01,330 --> 03:05:01,330
those numbers are based on proven numbers from the texas higher education construction
Board model,

1461
03:05:09,130 --> 03:05:12,890
jll and others to get to a blended number. As you can imagine. Some of the electrical and other numbers between 26 and 28 are closer to 12%,
But are projected to kind of level out.

1462
03:05:19,050 --> 03:05:22,930
so we're carrying a blended 4.5% across most of our numbers. We're also carrying some off our premiums for special condition areas like block e of the
Facility.

1463
03:05:29,090 --> 03:05:29,090
that includes council chambers. And eventually,
You know, the move of 311 and 911, potentially.

1464
03:05:34,650 --> 03:05:34,650
we have some numbers in here for special infrastructure build out for 311911 and related
Components that have mission critical elements as far as

1465
03:05:45,130 --> 03:05:48,090
generator backup, high telecom need and related. And so that's built into these numbers as well.

1466
03:05:50,690 --> 03:05:50,690
we have in here that the, we are taking the renovation of 41 restrooms.

1467
03:05:55,530 --> 03:05:55,530
we're adding ten restrooms due to either them being located in areas where they can't
Expand to meet ada needs,

1468
03:06:02,220 --> 03:06:02,220
meaning they're between structural components or they're needed from a code perspective.

1469
03:06:06,700 --> 03:06:06,700
and we are taking in a component that supports ada upgrades of these restrooms that,
As jen lined out earlier,

1470
03:06:13,100 --> 03:06:13,100
when we started to replace horizontal plumbing or distribution plumbing,
In most of these facilities, we're going to trigger ada components. And some of those

1471
03:06:19,700 --> 03:06:19,700
restrooms are not in a place where we can make them big enough to meet the ada needs,
So they have to be relocated from a mechanical perspective.

1472
03:06:28,140 --> 03:06:28,140
a couple things I do want to note. We are putting the cooling towers as a refurbishment,
So not a replacement.

1473
03:06:34,140 --> 03:06:36,780
and that's in year nine. So you'll see that in our schedule. And that's why you saw in dustin's risk matrix that it was later on.

1474
03:06:40,180 --> 03:06:40,180
that is a cost savings to the city. But we do have the chillers which are a higher cost
Item,

1475
03:06:44,500 --> 03:06:47,220
big important need coming earlier in phase one. Right. So as you can see an example of kind of how we break this up. And then the last
Part is making sure that we have the swing space area estimates for you guys to look at.

1476
03:06:55,260 --> 03:06:58,220
obviously our costs are not in there for that. That's carried and what cbre is going to provide.

1477
03:07:00,460 --> 03:07:00,460
but I do think it's important to note that that does carry in the overall number that we
Presented later.

1478
03:07:05,660 --> 03:07:08,460
next slide. So what does this mean from a cash flow perspective. So as I referenced earlier, you know, with one of our goals being to be good stewards of
Taxpayer funds,

1479
03:07:14,420 --> 03:07:14,420
we wanted to make sure that we brought the highest cost items,
Most central items to the project forward so we could minimize the escalation costs and

1480
03:07:22,340 --> 03:07:22,340
maximize the city dollars on this project. So as you can see in both approaches,
In the chart on the left,

1481
03:07:28,300 --> 03:07:31,340
the bulk of the dollars are being spent in years one,
Two, and three. As we pull in those major mechanical elements to support the facility,
Then the dollars taper off over time that allow the city to focus on how it's going to be

1482
03:07:39,660 --> 03:07:42,180
funded, how it can be broken off or otherwise. Ultimately, overall, you know, there is about a four year gap in the durations,
But the cost numbers are minimized in the gap because of that approach of bringing that

1483
03:07:50,260 --> 03:07:50,260
forward and minimizing escalation use in that capacity.

1484
03:07:55,500 --> 03:07:55,500
all right. Last slide. So to summarize our approach overall,
You know, our goal was to assemble a future ready dallas city hall by delivering all the

1485
03:08:04,700 --> 03:08:04,700
necessary infrastructure and key components for the city to use in a future capacity while
Interior design,

1486
03:08:11,260 --> 03:08:11,260
retrofit furniture, some of those other pieces are not a part of our program,
It's important that we set you up with a program that would allow you to directionally put

1487
03:08:20,020 --> 03:08:20,020
the city in a place where you could do some of those things with your key infrastructure
Elements covered.

1488
03:08:24,660 --> 03:08:24,660
ultimately, I want to reiterate this is a planning approach and a planning budget.

1489
03:08:29,100 --> 03:08:32,500
this is to help you make decisions on where to go with this program. And there's a lot of pieces still to be figured out around design and phasing and how city
Departments operationalize with each other.

1490
03:08:40,180 --> 03:08:40,180
but ultimately, we feel very strongly that we've put together a program here that will
Give you a realistic set of approaches that you can look at and make decisions off of.

1491
03:08:48,140 --> 03:08:48,140
so with that, our gresham smith, athenian and img team is going to step back and I'm going
To introduce will mundinger and the w m2 team to come up here and give their presentation.

1492
03:08:57,670 --> 03:08:57,670
thank you.

1493
03:09:44,230 --> 03:09:44,230
good afternoon. My name is will menninger. I've spent all my business career here in
Dallas developing skills in

1494
03:09:54,070 --> 03:09:54,070
finance, leasing, property management, asset management,
Development and construction.

1495
03:10:01,510 --> 03:10:01,510
I took that expertise into the goldman sachs family and ultimately became national
Director of their development and construction services group in the us,

1496
03:10:10,670 --> 03:10:10,670
and then ultimately internationally. I've been involved in 250 projects and over $500
Billion worth of construction.

1497
03:10:20,350 --> 03:10:20,350
I've been engaged in almost every aspect of the construction and development business.

1498
03:10:28,230 --> 03:10:28,230
I've tried to retire several times, and people reach out to me for my assistance on very
Interesting projects,

1499
03:10:35,830 --> 03:10:35,830
and that's why I'm here today. I'm joined by don powell on my left.

1500
03:10:41,390 --> 03:10:41,390
don's got 40 years in with a relationship with me in 50 years in the business.

1501
03:10:47,590 --> 03:10:47,590
he was the founding partner of the planning and architectural firm of boka powell.

1502
03:10:53,310 --> 03:10:53,310
he's one of the few architects that really understands the entire package of design,
Engineering,

1503
03:11:00,190 --> 03:11:00,190
planning, interior finish. He's a pro's pro,
Has been involved in 50,000,000ft² of office space around the

1504
03:11:09,750 --> 03:11:09,750
country, and then he's transitioned to fidelis realty partners,
Which is a full service development company and is now their executive vice president

1505
03:11:19,750 --> 03:11:19,750
in architecture and planning. Rounding out our team is a construction firm of structure
Tone.

1506
03:11:25,550 --> 03:11:25,550
they've been in dallas for 50 years. Their family of companies is the third largest
Contractor in the country.

1507
03:11:34,270 --> 03:11:34,270
they're an international contractor and they're the largest interior contractor in the
U.s.

1508
03:11:39,950 --> 03:11:39,950
and they're a premier firm here in dallas. Currently,
They're finishing the goldman sachs interior finished job as they're moving people here.

1509
03:11:50,110 --> 03:11:54,070
mike purcell to his left is the project executive. He specializes in pre-construction services where he not only does those services,
But works the budgeting and process and execution throughout the project.

1510
03:12:04,030 --> 03:12:04,030
and he's joined by michael hibbard, who is the chief estimator in their,
In their pre-construction services group.

1511
03:12:15,390 --> 03:12:15,390
the project focus and objective from my perspective is,
And this applies to any project that you deal with.

1512
03:12:22,310 --> 03:12:22,310
item one, you gather information and understand the task that you're focused on.

1513
03:12:29,310 --> 03:12:29,310
in this case, we've been supplied a numerous reports generated by aecom and their
Consultants.

1514
03:12:35,510 --> 03:12:35,510
as I said last week, there, I think there are thousands of pages that they produce.

1515
03:12:39,910 --> 03:12:39,910
the quality of the information that they provided us was very good.

1516
03:12:44,550 --> 03:12:44,550
and we've been able to utilize that information to,
Number one, understand the building and its systems.

1517
03:12:53,000 --> 03:12:53,000
we've interviewed staff, we've interviewed the consultants,
We've understood we've gotten a really decent handle on what the building needs,

1518
03:13:01,480 --> 03:13:01,480
which would allow us to develop scope and strategy that culminates in what we call a
Workable ten year plan,

1519
03:13:09,560 --> 03:13:13,520
focusing on the operational needs of the city. The resolution focused on a ten year plan. And that was our primary objective.

1520
03:13:20,400 --> 03:13:20,400
one of the other elements that we are charged with is what's called a peer review,
Where we coordinate,

1521
03:13:27,160 --> 03:13:27,160
which is a peer review coordinated with gresham smith.

1522
03:13:31,480 --> 03:13:31,480
the city hired two different firms to develop independent plans and pricing for the
Situation here at city hall.

1523
03:13:40,240 --> 03:13:40,240
we are fortunate to have a good working relationship with gresham smith,
Where we shared information,

1524
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:46,000
observations, methodology, shared our interviews with city staff,
And became educated on the building.

1525
03:13:55,480 --> 03:13:55,480
it's a complicated building. And we, we realized that sharing information creates a much
Better outcome for the city.

1526
03:14:06,120 --> 03:14:06,120
that said, we attacked the building in two separate perspectives.

1527
03:14:10,280 --> 03:14:10,280
as you can tell from their presentation, they focus on planning and design.

1528
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:16,000
and as you've seen by their presentation, they are thorough,
Thoughtful and professional.

1529
03:14:22,000 --> 03:14:22,000
our team has focused on the construction and contractor side of the business.

1530
03:14:27,240 --> 03:14:27,240
how do we price the building and how do we get it built?

1531
03:14:32,840 --> 03:14:32,840
and again, let me emphasize something. While we shared information and perspective,
When we went into our corners to focus on how we were going to execute

1532
03:14:42,840 --> 03:14:42,840
here, the gresham smith team went and focused independently on how do we phase the
Project?

1533
03:14:48,920 --> 03:14:48,920
how do we put it together? The time frames was an independent focus as well as how they
Price the building.

1534
03:14:56,120 --> 03:14:56,120
they use a different pricing model that we do,
But they focused on that independently.

1535
03:15:02,520 --> 03:15:02,520
and, and, and essentially we again, focused on the independent path from a pricing
Standpoint.

1536
03:15:11,200 --> 03:15:11,200
and at the end of the day, when we shared notes,
When we completed that task, I think generally we were all pleased.

1537
03:15:18,360 --> 03:15:18,360
we ended up from an implementation standpoint on how we phase the building up and down,
Because that's the way the systems work.

1538
03:15:25,960 --> 03:15:25,960
and while our pricing was different, we have a good idea of a key element as to why it was
Different,

1539
03:15:32,040 --> 03:15:32,040
but they were certainly in the same ballpark using different methodologies and different
Styles.

1540
03:15:38,360 --> 03:15:38,360
and I think I can say the city, I mean, the city our group was was pleased that we were in
The same ballpark and looking at the same problems and

1541
03:15:47,960 --> 03:15:47,960
discussing solutions. My next slide is constructability review.

1542
03:15:55,560 --> 03:15:55,560
there you go. You can make this sound complicated or you can make it simple,
But it's, it's basically how do we build something?

1543
03:16:05,280 --> 03:16:05,280
what goes into it? We have no, we have limited as builts.

1544
03:16:09,560 --> 03:16:12,720
we've seen different conditions that we, we saw on the plans. But in reality, they're they're not here. We always have hidden conditions.

1545
03:16:17,080 --> 03:16:17,080
you discussed this. How do we manage the occupants we have.

1546
03:16:21,160 --> 03:16:21,160
and how do we deal with the asbestos issue, which is a very significant issue.

1547
03:16:27,160 --> 03:16:27,160
and that helps us how do we plan and sequence the work,
Which will come into my next slide.

1548
03:16:35,480 --> 03:16:35,480
planning and, and, and phase development. We list all these issues here.

1549
03:16:39,600 --> 03:16:39,600
I'm just going to touch base on the blue items which are higher priority.

1550
03:16:44,130 --> 03:16:48,130
you will have heard these numbers. I mean, heard these items before and you'll hear them
Again. But again from a phasing, how do we maintain continuous operation.

1551
03:16:52,210 --> 03:16:52,210
how do we evaluate the wing space? How do we prioritize the systems that we want to attack
First.

1552
03:17:00,130 --> 03:17:00,130
and how do we again coordinate the abatement and the containment and the demolition?

1553
03:17:04,530 --> 03:17:04,530
and how do we utilize temporary systems where we take down air conditioning and
Electricity and other items like that?

1554
03:17:12,850 --> 03:17:12,850
and so from a phasing priority, we look at what do we need to tackle first,
Hvac, plumbing,

1555
03:17:19,610 --> 03:17:19,610
infrastructure replacement, life safety. A key element is emergency power and the
Electrical infrastructure followed

1556
03:17:29,610 --> 03:17:29,610
by hazardous material and investigative demolition.

1557
03:17:35,570 --> 03:17:35,570
then what do we think it's going to cost? So we shift into the budget phase of the
Business again.

1558
03:17:42,930 --> 03:17:42,930
and we discussed this before. Subcontractor input helped us form the backbone of our of
Our pricing program.

1559
03:17:51,330 --> 03:17:51,330
we selected subcontractors. That structure tone had a working relationship and were well
Known and had history

1560
03:18:00,890 --> 03:18:00,890
within this building correcting different functions.

1561
03:18:05,050 --> 03:18:08,890
so we had a relationship with them and they had a relationship with the building. And they also had a relationship with the staff.

1562
03:18:13,210 --> 03:18:13,210
that is, that is in the project. So again, the key drivers that we have,
The electrical system,

1563
03:18:19,410 --> 03:18:19,410
it's our most expensive one hvac system, plumbing and the plaza repairs that we have
Followed by life safety,

1564
03:18:27,490 --> 03:18:27,490
which is a critical thing. And it's also one of the items that's triggered by code
Programs.

1565
03:18:32,890 --> 03:18:32,890
so let us begin with phase one of our program,
And I'm going to turn it over to don powell.

1566
03:18:43,330 --> 03:18:43,330
next slide. Next slide. Next slide please. Next slide please.

1567
03:18:50,690 --> 03:18:50,690
there we go. So the interesting thing. Well good afternoon,
Mr.

1568
03:18:55,530 --> 03:18:55,530
mayor. City council, thank you for allowing us to be here today. We really appreciate this
Opportunity.

1569
03:19:00,770 --> 03:19:00,770
so phase one is a two year segment of work. We can't start building day one.

1570
03:19:06,330 --> 03:19:09,650
we have some planning and documentation work to be done. So we're going to have to look at getting a 3d laser laser survey for this building.

1571
03:19:14,770 --> 03:19:14,770
so we understand the exact build conditions,
But that can happen easily before we start doing construction.

1572
03:19:21,810 --> 03:19:21,810
the things that we can do pretty quickly is accomplish what we call the dri in phase of
The work.

1573
03:19:28,610 --> 03:19:28,610
in other words, get a complete roof and the facade of the building watertight.

1574
03:19:33,450 --> 03:19:33,450
so the first part of this discussion we'll talk about today is the cleaning and resealing
Of the concrete walls on the exterior.

1575
03:19:42,940 --> 03:19:42,940
we want to be sure that in the process of cleaning and resealing,
That we don't disfigure the concrete.

1576
03:19:48,820 --> 03:19:52,140
so we'll take time to do a mock up of that and do it well. The second thing we have to do then is we have to mask all of these windows off,
Because we cannot get the sealer for the concrete on the glass.

1577
03:20:01,540 --> 03:20:04,740
it will etch the glass. So we have to mask the windows. And then when we seal the building, we come back and basically caulk the frames where the
Glass is engaged in the in the glazing.

1578
03:20:13,900 --> 03:20:13,900
and then we'll caulk the frame around the glazing to the concrete.

1579
03:20:18,500 --> 03:20:18,500
so it's a pretty simple process to get the building envelope on the walls and facades
Dried in.

1580
03:20:25,660 --> 03:20:25,660
then the next thing we'll talk about is the doors and frames at the base of this building.

1581
03:20:30,660 --> 03:20:30,660
the steel doors and frames have worn out and we need to replace all the steel.

1582
03:20:36,300 --> 03:20:36,300
the aluminum revolving doors and other vestibules will be dealt with on a case by case
Basis,

1583
03:20:42,780 --> 03:20:46,660
but we'll get those doors and frames in operational condition. And then the last surface we deal with in phase one for the exterior envelope is the
Building roof replacement.

1584
03:20:54,540 --> 03:20:54,540
there are a couple of things that we believe we need to do before we replace the roof.

1585
03:20:59,260 --> 03:20:59,260
there will be some mechanical additions to the roof structure itself.

1586
03:21:03,300 --> 03:21:03,300
we've got some vents and some air intake devices that have to be installed prior to
Finishing the roofing.

1587
03:21:10,140 --> 03:21:13,220
so our goal would be to get those things designed. They are long lead items, but get them installed before we actually do the roof.

1588
03:21:17,380 --> 03:21:17,380
but that when that roof goes on, it will be permanently installed and we won't have to
Come back and disrupt it for subsequent work.

1589
03:21:25,780 --> 03:21:25,780
next slide please. We have a great assessment of the water infiltration issues in this
Building done by belhaven.

1590
03:21:35,620 --> 03:21:35,620
and one of the things they talked about is how we go about solving the water problems in
The garage.

1591
03:21:41,780 --> 03:21:41,780
and one of the things I noted in our last meeting was how we have chlorine present in the
Water in the garage,

1592
03:21:48,140 --> 03:21:48,140
near the pool. So we know that the water in the pool is treated with chlorine,
And we have determined that that is leaking into the garage itself.

1593
03:21:57,940 --> 03:22:01,380
so one of the things we'll do is get the expansion joints. There are literally expansion joints running through that reflecting pool.

1594
03:22:05,380 --> 03:22:05,380
and I don't know in terms of common sense, how much good that does to have those expansion
Joints in a pool,

1595
03:22:11,060 --> 03:22:11,060
but they have to be dealt with. So what we'll do is repair those joints,
And then we'll end up recoating the actual surface of the reflecting pond in either an

1596
03:22:20,700 --> 03:22:20,700
epoxy or equivalent coating system that will ensure long term usability.

1597
03:22:27,020 --> 03:22:27,020
the second thing we want to talk about are the expansion joints and the control joints.

1598
03:22:32,380 --> 03:22:32,380
and expansion joint is a structural joint that separates two concrete frames from one
Another,

1599
03:22:38,220 --> 03:22:41,900
and the concrete frames are designed to expand and contract. The expansion joints are where we have the major problem with infiltration into the
Garage.

1600
03:22:47,100 --> 03:22:47,100
so at level l1 and l2 of the garage, that water is there as a result of a leak in the lid
Of the parking garage.

1601
03:22:55,820 --> 03:22:55,820
so we need to basically take care in getting to the joints themselves,
Exposing that space to investigate what's

1602
03:23:05,660 --> 03:23:05,660
there. And then as we go back into the garage and start replacing those,
These expansion joints,

1603
03:23:11,300 --> 03:23:11,300
we want to make sure we have traffic rated covers on those expansion joints.

1604
03:23:15,740 --> 03:23:15,740
so vehicles don't destroy the effect of the caulking and backer rod.

1605
03:23:20,980 --> 03:23:20,980
the control joints refer to flatwork concrete sidewalks and things where you have
Expansion and contraction joints in sidewalks.

1606
03:23:29,950 --> 03:23:29,950
those are very small compared to the expansion joints.

1607
03:23:34,070 --> 03:23:34,070
and we will basically just treat those with conventional backer rod and caulking at the
Appropriate locations.

1608
03:23:42,070 --> 03:23:42,070
the the investigation and repair of the parking garage lid below grade is a very important
Step in this process.

1609
03:23:51,750 --> 03:23:51,750
we have to have exploration holes created to go down and look at the conditions.

1610
03:23:57,110 --> 03:23:59,830
one thing we've noted is the drawings for this building in the. As built conditions don't always align. So we're told that there's a three inch topping
Slab above the roof membrane on top of that parking deck,

1611
03:24:08,150 --> 03:24:10,390
but we want to go down and see if it's there. If it's not there, then we need to know that early on.

1612
03:24:13,110 --> 03:24:13,110
if it is there, that will shorten our expedition.

1613
03:24:17,710 --> 03:24:17,710
but we have to basically solve for the expansion joints at the garage level.

1614
03:24:23,990 --> 03:24:23,990
and then also be sure that the roof conditions between those expansion joints are
Watertight.

1615
03:24:29,670 --> 03:24:29,670
then the last item on this first slide or second slide here is the plaza concrete repair
And limited replacement.

1616
03:24:37,190 --> 03:24:40,310
we will never close the entire plaza during this process. It will be broken into three stages of work. There will be the west pool zone,
As we call it,

1617
03:24:47,030 --> 03:24:47,030
the central zone and the eastern zone. The two of those three zones will remain
Operational during the entire waterproofing process for the garage.

1618
03:24:56,750 --> 03:24:56,750
the lawn area itself out there, we hope, will have minimally invasive work going on in
That lawn area.

1619
03:25:03,430 --> 03:25:03,430
so that concludes that part of the slide. I'll pass over to mike purcell now.

1620
03:25:09,070 --> 03:25:09,070
thank you don appreciate having the opportunity to talk to you about this program.

1621
03:25:14,870 --> 03:25:14,870
mike purcell structure, tone. When we looked at this project,
We looked at a bunch of different variables before we finally settled up on what I'm going

1622
03:25:23,390 --> 03:25:27,350
to call the silo approach. We looked at going floor by floor. We looked at going from the top down, the bottom up outside to inside.

1623
03:25:33,910 --> 03:25:33,910
and what we finally concluded is that all of the main systems go up and down and then they
Go sideways.

1624
03:25:42,830 --> 03:25:46,070
so we said, what is and everything's important. Everything is important. So what was the most advantageous is to take basically a quarter
Of the building.

1625
03:25:51,550 --> 03:25:51,550
and I'll explain this later on slides and use what I call a silo.

1626
03:25:56,110 --> 03:25:56,110
so that's the advantage is I can do all of the stuff within that silo at once.

1627
03:26:01,350 --> 03:26:01,350
I can do the abatement, I can do the plumbing,
I can do the mechanical, I can do the electrical and all that will be done in phases. But

1628
03:26:06,550 --> 03:26:06,550
I'm touching everything and fixing everything. So when we transfer,
Swing back over, that is ready to go back.

1629
03:26:13,270 --> 03:26:16,950
so that would constitute a move instead of multiple moves. Also looked at checkerboarding is what they call where you take a 20,000 square foot
Footprint.

1630
03:26:21,680 --> 03:26:21,680
and you, you know, move that piece over here and then that person moves in.

1631
03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:25,760
then you move that person over there and that moves in. That gets really complicated
Stepping and it's really disruptive.

1632
03:26:31,320 --> 03:26:31,320
so the advantages of the silo were it's easier to renovate improves the containment
Because I know safety was a big issue.

1633
03:26:38,480 --> 03:26:38,480
so you'll see when we get to that slide, I'm taking the atrium to the outside wall in four
Different areas.

1634
03:26:44,960 --> 03:26:44,960
that's a hard wall. It's easy to contain and keep everything isolated within that space.

1635
03:26:51,520 --> 03:26:54,200
and then some of the challenges are swing space. I need 70,000 to 100 depending on which zone I have.

1636
03:26:58,040 --> 03:26:58,040
there's going to be temporary utilities and infrastructure. The electrical system is what
They call daisy chain.

1637
03:27:03,280 --> 03:27:05,680
so all of those substations are tied together. So I have to untie them to replace system systems,
Separate systems.

1638
03:27:10,960 --> 03:27:10,960
so there's some complications with that. But luckily we got lucky by the name of the
Electrical contractor.

1639
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:21,160
I don't know if he's lucky because his name or whatever. But lucky was very knowledgeable and basically explained his approach and his pricing to
Us,

1640
03:27:26,000 --> 03:27:30,000
and it made a lot of sense. So that's the way we approached this silo effect. So next slide please. So the driver is the mechanical system.

1641
03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:36,160
so what I'm showing you here is the blue zone would be to the green zone would be three.

1642
03:27:43,080 --> 03:27:46,920
the pink zone would be four and the purple zone would be five. And as gresham smith explained, the h2 and h3,
Those are where the ductwork are located.

1643
03:27:54,160 --> 03:27:54,160
and so we would be isolating those four components to allow us to just phase that.

1644
03:27:59,400 --> 03:27:59,400
so the key upgrades are we're going to use digital direct digital controls for the
Mechanical system so that your thermostats work and your controls work and everything is

1645
03:28:09,160 --> 03:28:12,720
comfort level. And we're replacing the outdated or obsolete equipment. So that's chillers, air handlers and the distribution where we're not touching or the
Boilers that were replaced.

1646
03:28:19,360 --> 03:28:22,400
and I think there were about 8 or 10 air handlers that were replaced. So it's not everything, but it's it's the ones that are either worn out or lost the useful
Life.

1647
03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:28,880
the next slide please. This is a very complicated slide.

1648
03:28:34,240 --> 03:28:34,240
what this picture represents are all of the main electrical components in the building.

1649
03:28:42,200 --> 03:28:42,200
there's over 400 of them. So it starts at the top with encore bringing the power in.

1650
03:28:47,680 --> 03:28:51,280
there's 14 substations below that and all those little boxes. There's 300 electrical panels of this. This is the majority of your cost and scope.

1651
03:28:58,200 --> 03:28:58,200
it was all done by federal pacific. Who's out of business at this point in time.

1652
03:29:02,240 --> 03:29:02,240
so you can't get pieces and parts. It's not everything replaced,
But it's what we need to replace that is either outdated or needs to be replaced because

1653
03:29:11,920 --> 03:29:11,920
of a hazardous. That's the switchgear, the generators,
The the distribution panels, which are the electrical panels,

1654
03:29:18,120 --> 03:29:21,640
the transformers, and then the obsolete equipment. Next is the plumbing and restroom upgrades. We have known we have known for some time that
The texas

1655
03:29:31,440 --> 03:29:31,440
accessibility standards require us to replace the fixtures in restrooms,
Respaced the fixtures,

1656
03:29:39,920 --> 03:29:39,920
but basically create access for accessibility.

1657
03:29:44,720 --> 03:29:44,720
we believe that phases two through five will be handled in systematic fashion,
Where we'll be bringing the restrooms up to code within each of those

1658
03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:54,160
siloed moves. So the fixtures in the restrooms everything related to access,
Including the hand wash facilities things

1659
03:30:04,120 --> 03:30:04,120
like towel dispensers, everything in those restrooms will be replaced and the layout will
Then conform with the accessible requirements.

1660
03:30:12,280 --> 03:30:12,280
but not only do the restrooms themselves have to comply,
But the access to the restrooms.

1661
03:30:17,050 --> 03:30:17,050
many of the restrooms in this building are in very are accessed by very narrow corridors
That do not have compliant poolside access to the doors.

1662
03:30:26,250 --> 03:30:26,250
so one of the things we have to do is upgrade the accessible routes.

1663
03:30:30,770 --> 03:30:30,770
and then the other big component is obviously the plumbing itself.

1664
03:30:35,210 --> 03:30:35,210
and many of the waste stacks in this building are cast iron.

1665
03:30:39,370 --> 03:30:39,370
they've been identified as failing. So we'll be replacing those vertical plumbing systems
Throughout the building,

1666
03:30:45,930 --> 03:30:45,930
but also the horizontal branching that occurs at each floor.

1667
03:30:50,490 --> 03:30:50,490
and then within those bathrooms, we encounter asbestos in both the wall and floor mastics.

1668
03:30:57,130 --> 03:30:57,130
and so we'll be taking care to make sure that those restroom areas are controlled by air
Barriers,

1669
03:31:03,210 --> 03:31:03,210
so we can abate those areas without invading the public areas of the building.

1670
03:31:09,130 --> 03:31:09,130
but the cbre asbestos report that they provided identifies the locations of asbestos in
This building,

1671
03:31:16,890 --> 03:31:16,890
both in the restrooms and out in the office spaces.

1672
03:31:20,930 --> 03:31:20,930
so that portion of the asbestos abatement will be handled on a phase by phase basis.

1673
03:31:27,570 --> 03:31:27,570
next slide. The fire and life safety buildings systems in this building have been one of
The major challenges for us to comprehend.

1674
03:31:38,130 --> 03:31:38,130
quite frankly, we were trying to understand what was required at the time the building was
Built and what is required today in 2022.

1675
03:31:47,490 --> 03:31:51,410
the city of dallas adopted the dallas existing building code. The existing is existing buildings. So any building that was built a year prior to 2022
And thereafter has to comply with this new

1676
03:32:01,330 --> 03:32:01,330
code requirement. And there are three levels of renovation identified in that code.

1677
03:32:06,570 --> 03:32:06,570
and I'll I'll suffice to say that this is a level three renovation,
Which means that more than 51% of the work areas in the building will be modified,

1678
03:32:16,130 --> 03:32:16,130
which causes us to have to do a couple really important things.

1679
03:32:20,330 --> 03:32:20,330
we are now required to have an automatic sprinkler system throughout floors two through
Seven.

1680
03:32:25,970 --> 03:32:25,970
it's it's part of that dallas existing building code requirement.

1681
03:32:30,250 --> 03:32:30,250
and this is further under investigation with the fire marshal and the building department
To determine if they want to exercise any exceptions to that requirement.

1682
03:32:40,210 --> 03:32:40,210
but at this point, that is a requirement. The other thing that's severely lacking is a
Smoke evacuation system in the building.

1683
03:32:50,050 --> 03:32:50,050
and we have we have approached that with our solution and given both values for the
Construction of that smoke evacuation system and

1684
03:33:00,050 --> 03:33:00,050
the necessary repairs. And then also that third part of the important changes to this
Building are stairwell pressurization.

1685
03:33:09,220 --> 03:33:09,220
and those stairs right now do not have positive pressurization pressure pressurization.

1686
03:33:14,860 --> 03:33:14,860
so we want to be sure that those stairwells have air pressure that's greater than the
Surrounding area.

1687
03:33:21,300 --> 03:33:21,300
so smoke does not enter the stairwells. On the subject of fire alarm upgrades,
We had really good news

1688
03:33:31,260 --> 03:33:31,260
on this. The main fire control panel at l one and at l and l two,
Pardon me.

1689
03:33:37,460 --> 03:33:37,460
the 911 floor and the main lobby are both compliant fire alarm stations.

1690
03:33:42,900 --> 03:33:42,900
they are designed in such a way that we can add modules for future improvements,
Such as tying the elevators into that fire alarm panel for doing elevator position and

1691
03:33:52,900 --> 03:33:52,900
fire department recall. But we also know that they can accommodate smoke detection
Responses.

1692
03:33:59,700 --> 03:33:59,700
so right now, you have a very sophisticated smoke detection system on levels three and six
In this building.

1693
03:34:05,900 --> 03:34:05,900
and it is advanced and really is one of the state of the art systems in this building.

1694
03:34:10,740 --> 03:34:13,100
but it doesn't report to the fire alarm panel. And one of the things we'd like to do is make sure those connections happen through smart
Building additions to the communications of the systems in the building.

1695
03:34:21,980 --> 03:34:21,980
so we will be looking at creating a bacnet system,
Which is a building automation and communication system for all of those devices.

1696
03:34:31,460 --> 03:34:31,460
the fire suppression system for the office building. We talked about the automatic
Sprinkler system there,

1697
03:34:36,420 --> 03:34:36,420
but we also need, we need, we know we need to upgrade the sprinklers within the parking
Garage.

1698
03:34:41,580 --> 03:34:41,580
lots of that pipe that's exposed in the garage is showing signs of rust and deterioration.

1699
03:34:46,300 --> 03:34:46,300
so that fire suppression system in the garage will be repaired rather than replaced,
So that we don't have to worry about the condition.

1700
03:34:54,980 --> 03:34:58,340
and I have on this list the smoke evacuation system. We have done significant research on what it takes to make the atrium exhaust system
Functional,

1701
03:35:05,620 --> 03:35:05,620
and it can be done with minimally invasive work in this building.

1702
03:35:09,940 --> 03:35:09,940
we will make some changes at the roof, as I alluded to in the roofing talk.

1703
03:35:14,020 --> 03:35:14,020
but we also be looking at what we can do with the smoke control throughout the building so
We can get air back in.

1704
03:35:23,300 --> 03:35:23,300
so make up air is another one of the conditions we have to solve for to comply with the
Fire code for exhausting the building.

1705
03:35:33,060 --> 03:35:33,060
lastly, the fire command center, the new building code requires a fire command center
That's more sophisticated than the the panels that you have in the building.

1706
03:35:43,420 --> 03:35:43,420
but the panels can be upgraded and there is adjacent space on the ground floor of this
Building to have space there for a fireman's workstation.

1707
03:35:51,900 --> 03:35:51,900
firemen today want to be able to come into a building,
Review the plans of the building, and strategize on the plan that they're going to go

1708
03:35:59,700 --> 03:35:59,700
forward with when they basically are the emergency responders enter the building.

1709
03:36:04,540 --> 03:36:04,540
so that workspace is going to be easily added,
And the other portions of the command center are easily accomplished at very low cost.

1710
03:36:14,300 --> 03:36:14,300
so we're excited about that. Yeah. And then lastly,
One of the things that I think you ought to consider is an improvement on the

1711
03:36:23,900 --> 03:36:23,900
fire alarm fire response requirements in this building.

1712
03:36:28,940 --> 03:36:28,940
today there are systems called far systems, which are fireman's air replenishment systems
In stairwells.

1713
03:36:33,980 --> 03:36:33,980
right now, you have dry stand pipes in the stairwell and those stairwells are not
Pressurized.

1714
03:36:39,740 --> 03:36:42,260
so we have to pressurize those to get them safer. The firemen. But we also have the ability to bring an air passageway into those stairwells
To replenish the fireman's air tanks so they don't have to track all the way down to the

1715
03:36:51,660 --> 03:36:54,140
first floor and back up to the floor in question. So those would be our goals and have been included in our assessment of the cost for
Making the building safe.

1716
03:37:02,950 --> 03:37:02,950
mike. Thank you. Next slide. So this is my our ten year plan.

1717
03:37:07,990 --> 03:37:07,990
I tried to make this as simple as possible. So I've basically shrunk every single floor
And stacked them on top of each other.

1718
03:37:15,350 --> 03:37:15,350
so anything from b7 all the way down to l2. So the initial phase is on the top right,
Top right hand corner of the green box would do the

1719
03:37:25,030 --> 03:37:25,030
plaza, the roof, the building envelope. Get prepped for the smoke evac system.

1720
03:37:29,750 --> 03:37:29,750
also we need at that time we would spend time doing drawings as built conditions.

1721
03:37:35,070 --> 03:37:35,070
so we have documents to work off, get pricing from contractors apply for permits and get
Long lead equipment ordered that can be going on in phase

1722
03:37:44,910 --> 03:37:44,910
one with the construction actually starting in 2030.

1723
03:37:49,350 --> 03:37:51,590
so the pink area is what we're looking at first. It's on the left hand side. That would be basically from the atrium to the outside wall
And would incorporate this area around this area.

1724
03:38:00,950 --> 03:38:00,950
our intent is not to disturb the inside of the council chambers and the flag room.

1725
03:38:08,190 --> 03:38:08,190
all the ductwork and the sprinkler systems and the upgrades we need can be done from the
Exterior of the room and then punch through.

1726
03:38:15,150 --> 03:38:15,150
so it would be minimally invasive to do it. Nights and weekends put on sprinkler heads and
Covers,

1727
03:38:21,150 --> 03:38:21,150
etc. So this is our intent to just try to minimize this and keep you here leaving the flag
Room.

1728
03:38:27,190 --> 03:38:27,190
and you also notice that all the elevator corridors and elevators will remain operational.

1729
03:38:32,270 --> 03:38:32,270
so you could use this space, you could mobilize around the building and each of the
Different elevator banks,

1730
03:38:37,990 --> 03:38:37,990
because we were taking it from the atrium to the outside wall and leaving the quarters.

1731
03:38:42,870 --> 03:38:46,110
looked at that also because these are hard walls,
Like I said. So it's easier to contain than building a barrier.

1732
03:38:49,070 --> 03:38:52,310
so we do that in year one and two. Then three. So the orange area is 32 and 33. That is going to be the south half of the atrium in the
Center from quarter to quarter,

1733
03:39:00,230 --> 03:39:00,230
and we're going to go all the way up the building. We would isolate that once again
Because of the ductwork systems, and I can isolate those areas.

1734
03:39:07,310 --> 03:39:07,310
34 to 35 would be the purple areas, which is the north half from the atrium to the
Exterior wall,

1735
03:39:13,550 --> 03:39:13,550
followed by the last component in 36 and 37,
Which is the blue area, which is that the opposite side of the building.

1736
03:39:20,870 --> 03:39:23,790
from the corridors out, there's a little awkward down at the bottom. That's the parking deck that would go with phase one,
The parking on l2.

1737
03:39:28,070 --> 03:39:28,070
we did not evaluate l3 for two reasons. One,
We were not allowed to have access to there without a waiver and some kind of legal stuff.

1738
03:39:35,990 --> 03:39:35,990
they wouldn't even let us go down there and look at it. So it is a non building area.

1739
03:39:42,270 --> 03:39:42,270
it's more of a crawl space. There are water issues and things that would probably need
Addressed that could either be done with putting in some ceiling and some fans to control

1740
03:39:51,470 --> 03:39:55,390
it down there. But it does. It's basically under the building,
But it does leak. The water is getting all the way through the building. So that's our ten year plan.

1741
03:39:59,230 --> 03:39:59,230
next is our ten year planning level budget by category.

1742
03:40:04,510 --> 03:40:04,510
try to identify the most expensive us is electrical down through the different levels to
The elevator which is 3.2 million.

1743
03:40:12,390 --> 03:40:12,390
so from high to low and then across, you know,
Based on the dollar values for each component for the ten year budget.

1744
03:40:19,190 --> 03:40:19,190
the next slide is the cash flow for year 28 through 37.

1745
03:40:25,230 --> 03:40:25,230
so these are the cash outlays that we would look to procure for each one of those levels.

1746
03:40:29,710 --> 03:40:33,230
there's a peak in 29. Just because we're ordering all the equipment. We request you order the equipment then and buy extended warranties because the escalation
At 6% makes that stuff so expensive.

1747
03:40:40,350 --> 03:40:40,350
later on, if we buy it all, we have it here and we just pay for it here and just warehouse
It and you know,

1748
03:40:47,510 --> 03:40:47,510
just buy extended warranties. So that's a ten year cash flow. Cost escalation was,
A variable.

1749
03:40:53,680 --> 03:40:53,680
the next slide please. So what we did is we behind this is all of the various sessions,
The mechanical,

1750
03:41:01,920 --> 03:41:01,920
the electrical, all of the different components,
Everything from metal to drywall, the paint,

1751
03:41:07,120 --> 03:41:07,120
the last year's escalation and then the years projecting forward.

1752
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:15,120
we started to do it by components. And then we kind of just figured out it's going to be
About 6% overall mechanical went up.

1753
03:41:22,280 --> 03:41:25,600
I mean, electrical went up 15% because of all the mission critical. They're projecting it to be in the 6% range. Some of them are going to be in the 3 to 6%
Range.

1754
03:41:30,920 --> 03:41:30,920
mechanical is another high one, but it's all going to average out for about 6%.

1755
03:41:36,320 --> 03:41:39,960
the next slide is our five year phasing plan. Basically year one and two is the same thing,
Same approach.

1756
03:41:42,880 --> 03:41:42,880
we'll do the roof, the exterior plaza, the building envelope order,
The long lead equipment and doing the buying the equipment and doing the

1757
03:41:53,480 --> 03:41:53,480
smoke evac. We'll also be doing all of our construction documents,
Getting pricing from contractors and permits.

1758
03:42:00,040 --> 03:42:00,040
now, based on the size of the areas, I'm breaking it down into three years and three
Components.

1759
03:42:10,080 --> 03:42:10,080
will says you can build it that fast. We've built larger this fast.

1760
03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:14,560
each component is about 100 and 150,000ft². That's not a big press with contractors.

1761
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:25,560
we get we can get a lot of people we can get on manpower. It's kind of easy to do. So we're looking at the pink area,
The purple area, and then the blue area in a five year plan.

1762
03:42:30,520 --> 03:42:30,520
so we think we could turn it that quick. The next is the five year plan.

1763
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:39,640
the numbers are somewhat reduced in some of these light items. Things like electrical remain the same because I'm still buying the same stuff.

1764
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:46,800
for there, but that's just a different budget. Then cash flow is the next one kind of the same thing.

1765
03:42:50,920 --> 03:42:50,920
next slide. The cash flow with the 591 million with,
You know, five years.

1766
03:42:56,960 --> 03:42:56,960
it's larger chunks each year to allocate, but it's a five year cash flow allocation.

1767
03:43:03,440 --> 03:43:03,440
and then the final slide that I have, or just a comparison of our five year option at 591
And the ten year option of 610.

1768
03:43:12,440 --> 03:43:12,440
and I think that is it will we don't maybe questions or are we going to do cbre next.

1769
03:43:18,840 --> 03:43:18,840
yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes our presentation.

1770
03:43:23,600 --> 03:43:27,160
so then before cbre comes down to answer the questions on slide 60. And the next slide, please. You'll see we've included this for a summary of all the repair
Estimates that have been developed throughout this process to date.

1771
03:43:34,720 --> 03:43:34,720
this includes the original staff estimates, the edc work,
And then the scenarios that are presented today.

1772
03:43:40,360 --> 03:43:40,360
it is important to note that the estimates that have been presented today include both ada
And code related upgrades,

1773
03:43:46,600 --> 03:43:46,600
providing you a more complete picture of potential costs,
Which were not all included in the staff estimate or the previous work that was done by

1774
03:43:53,290 --> 03:43:53,290
the edc. So with that, peter jansen will come and answer some questions or to go over his
Slides for total ownership and repair costs.

1775
03:44:16,330 --> 03:44:16,330
good afternoon, council members, mr. Mayor. We were asked to normalize the estimates to
Apply the same apples to apples methodology to any of these scenarios,

1776
03:44:24,890 --> 03:44:24,890
to the previous edc scenarios that you all have a complete and accurate perspective on the
Modernization costs,

1777
03:44:32,130 --> 03:44:32,130
furniture, fixtures and equipment temporary leasing costs and of course,
The operational costs of this buildings.

1778
03:44:40,170 --> 03:44:40,170
we then collaborated with your cfo, mr. Ireland to apply the right cost of capital and
Just ran the math.

1779
03:44:47,570 --> 03:44:47,570
so what you see here is the edc scenarios from march and each of the four scenarios
Presented by the team today,

1780
03:44:57,050 --> 03:44:57,050
with the same application of costs across the board,
The costs increased proportionally, but there's been no adjustments to

1781
03:45:06,970 --> 03:45:06,970
square footages or anything beyond what what we were directed to do for the phasing plan
On the temporary leasing costs.

1782
03:45:17,050 --> 03:45:17,050
you know, on the temporary leasing costs, I'll just comment. You know,
The market is the market,

1783
03:45:21,650 --> 03:45:21,650
we have actual renegotiated proposals. We have a variety of scenarios.

1784
03:45:26,890 --> 03:45:26,890
we have great comps. And we have taken what we believe is the most reasonable approach to
Get you all the durations to

1785
03:45:36,770 --> 03:45:36,770
match these phases. But the market also doesn't function perfectly where you need to go up
And down 10,000ft² annually.

1786
03:45:45,370 --> 03:45:47,490
not when a landlord is investing in the space. So there are some constraints there, but that's not a material driver of these numbers.

1787
03:45:51,250 --> 03:45:55,170
the material drivers are, of course, the cost of capital and the interest expense. And the ongoing operations of this building,
Which you'll see are effectively equal across all the scenarios.

1788
03:46:01,490 --> 03:46:01,490
I'm happy to walk you through any one of the particular line items,
But our comments and methodology are on the right side of the page and the source of data.

1789
03:46:10,010 --> 03:46:10,010
happy to answer any questions along that. Mr..

1790
03:46:14,250 --> 03:46:14,250
mayor. That completes our presentation. All right.

1791
03:46:18,330 --> 03:46:18,330
members. For the public, we are on briefing item.

1792
03:46:23,130 --> 03:46:23,130
be ready for questions. Comments. Don't all jump at once.

1793
03:46:36,850 --> 03:46:36,850
all right. Okay. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you're recognized for five minutes.

1794
03:46:42,250 --> 03:46:42,250
I mean, what would have happened if nobody pushed their button? Would we all just have
Gone home? No questions.

1795
03:46:47,090 --> 03:46:47,090
not home, but somewhere. So on march 4th, there was resolution

1796
03:46:54,890 --> 03:46:54,890
26-0499. It directed the city manager to develop a repair program that prioritizes the
Most

1797
03:47:04,890 --> 03:47:04,890
critical needs for city hall and city hall plaza,
With no fewer than two options for phase repairs and replacements over a ten year period.

1798
03:47:14,450 --> 03:47:14,450
but yet, many times through this presentation,
You said the word renovation.

1799
03:47:20,450 --> 03:47:20,450
we didn't ask for renovation. The resolution is simply repairs.

1800
03:47:27,170 --> 03:47:27,170
so I'd like to know what the costs are for just repairs.

1801
03:47:32,010 --> 03:47:32,010
this would mean not requiring. New code compliance.

1802
03:47:43,660 --> 03:47:43,660
the code is triggered by the scale and complexity of construction.

1803
03:47:49,340 --> 03:47:49,340
it's not something that can be excluded. Those code requirements will be legally required
Based on the scale and complexity of the work.

1804
03:47:57,780 --> 03:47:57,780
and what is that threshold, please? I'm sorry,
What is the threshold that triggers that?

1805
03:48:02,940 --> 03:48:02,940
the threshold is based on the area. There's a calculation based on the square footage of
The building being touched.

1806
03:48:10,860 --> 03:48:10,860
and in this case, as we update and repair electrical.

1807
03:48:16,620 --> 03:48:16,620
I'm sorry you're saying update. I'm saying repair develop a repair program.

1808
03:48:24,500 --> 03:48:24,500
I just want to update. I just want to clarify that our program and our cost.

1809
03:48:29,460 --> 03:48:29,460
they're not including new finishes new finish out.

1810
03:48:34,380 --> 03:48:37,180
we're not moving walls. We're not reconfiguring the building. We're not updating to a modern workplace that's not included in our cost.

1811
03:48:42,820 --> 03:48:42,820
our cost is repairs, as you've stated, but it will trigger additional code scope.

1812
03:48:48,820 --> 03:48:48,820
the phrase that was used was it will be future ready,
Whatever that means.

1813
03:48:54,620 --> 03:48:54,620
yeah. And I would like to comment, first off,
Council member mendelsohn to your question the threshold for the adopted building code for

1814
03:49:02,700 --> 03:49:05,740
the city is 51% of the facility being touched. And with the hvac and electrical components that have to be touched,
Horizontal distribution as well as plumbing distribution,

1815
03:49:12,300 --> 03:49:12,300
more than 51% of the facility will be triggered as a part of the repairs of those
Functions.

1816
03:49:17,580 --> 03:49:17,580
I would also like to note that on the slide,
I believe it was the slide.

1817
03:49:21,820 --> 03:49:21,820
if you can pull it up on the example of the restroom when we are replacing 1010.

1818
03:49:28,580 --> 03:49:28,580
yes. Thank you. We're replacing horizontal distribution plumbing.

1819
03:49:32,700 --> 03:49:32,700
we're replacing fixtures if we're replacing components like that.

1820
03:49:37,260 --> 03:49:37,260
and we go into those restrooms. We do trigger taas and ada components as well.

1821
03:49:41,820 --> 03:49:41,820
so there are several elements of code here that when we make a repair to pipe or
Otherwise,

1822
03:49:46,860 --> 03:49:46,860
that does happen. So if you'll leave it on that slide,
I'd appreciate it.

1823
03:49:50,940 --> 03:49:50,940
before I came to council, I ran a nonprofit that did free home repair for low income
Seniors,

1824
03:49:55,860 --> 03:49:55,860
veterans, and people with disabilities. They were mostly very old homes.

1825
03:50:00,260 --> 03:50:00,260
and, you know, any time you'd pull back a stove or you would move anything,
You really didn't know what was going to be behind there because the house could be 75

1826
03:50:09,180 --> 03:50:09,180
plus years old. Many of them were in la bajada,
Some of them were in mill city.

1827
03:50:14,740 --> 03:50:14,740
I understand that concept. But in this building less than 50 years old,
When you see this slide,

1828
03:50:21,660 --> 03:50:21,660
what percentage of toilets do you think you're going to pull out and find that you have to
Redo the whole bathroom?

1829
03:50:28,900 --> 03:50:28,900
we're already aware that the majority of pipes in the building are corroded.

1830
03:50:33,500 --> 03:50:37,190
this is from direct observation. Even in the example used here. This is an image of a restroom in this building with the wall tile pulled open in the
Image where they've had to access that corroded pipe.

1831
03:50:46,590 --> 03:50:46,590
so we do anticipate the majority of these restrooms do need repairs throughout the
Plumbing,

1832
03:50:52,350 --> 03:50:52,350
which will affect multiple fixtures. We also accounted for the restrooms that have already
Been updated by the city manager and facilities group.

1833
03:51:02,070 --> 03:51:02,070
there are was seven restrooms, eight have been updated that have been updated.

1834
03:51:08,110 --> 03:51:08,110
and so those were not in our cost estimate. We only included cost for the existing
Original condition restrooms.

1835
03:51:17,110 --> 03:51:17,110
so how much of this program with these costs are items that are broken that need to be
Repaired,

1836
03:51:24,510 --> 03:51:24,510
versus how many you think are going to have an end of life issue?

1837
03:51:30,830 --> 03:51:30,830
I would say the number of the components that are beyond end of life is a large majority,
But I would ask for chief johnson and his team.

1838
03:51:40,150 --> 03:51:42,910
if there are specific things that are specifically broken. They were called out in the report as end of life or otherwise,
But he can expand on that.

1839
03:51:47,990 --> 03:51:47,990
so the facility condition assessment that was completed recently with the edc by aecom did
List a number of all of the systems,

1840
03:51:55,750 --> 03:51:55,750
essentially that are past their useful life. There are the boilers that we've recently
Replaced. We've had some restrooms that have been renovated. There may be a cooling tower

1841
03:52:04,470 --> 03:52:04,470
here or there, an electrical panel that was done with the bond program. But the majority
Of all the infrastructure in the building itself is either at or aged past its useful

1842
03:52:12,950 --> 03:52:12,950
life. So let me make a comment. One of the things that hadn't been talked about is the
Texas accessibility standards.

1843
03:52:22,430 --> 03:52:22,430
every dollar, every dollar you spend, I believe beginning at $50,000,
You have to dedicate 20% of those dollars into curing

1844
03:52:31,670 --> 03:52:31,670
accessibility issues within the building. So if you spend $50 million,
Which you're going to have to spend easily,

1845
03:52:39,590 --> 03:52:39,590
that triggers a requirement for you to spend $10 million on ada in texas accessibility
Issues.

1846
03:52:47,430 --> 03:52:51,430
the number one shortcoming in the building that we have is bathrooms. So you can allocate that 10 million, solve the regulatory issue you have,
And fix the bathrooms all at the same time.

1847
03:53:01,830 --> 03:53:05,750
and that's just one of the trigger issues we talk about. That's automatic. It doesn't go away. They're tough to deal with and very demanding.

1848
03:53:12,310 --> 03:53:12,310
and so that's a situation where whatever you call what you're doing in the bathroom is
Going to trigger the issues you saw on the komodo graham up there.

1849
03:53:24,990 --> 03:53:24,990
but that's an example. Another example, I don't know how you repair the electrical system
Permanently

1850
03:53:35,030 --> 03:53:35,030
when you saw that diagram. There are 400 panel boxes in this building.

1851
03:53:41,070 --> 03:53:41,070
they're manufactured by a company called federal pacific.

1852
03:53:45,750 --> 03:53:45,750
federal pacific was accused of fraud and that they they built thousands of these panels
All over the

1853
03:53:55,670 --> 03:53:55,670
country. They were sold to a company, ended up with exxon.

1854
03:54:02,110 --> 03:54:05,430
they started testing how they manufactured it and failed. And they sued everybody for fraud. They lost their ul rating.

1855
03:54:10,510 --> 03:54:10,510
and this building has got them everywhere. If you have a home today and they come in and
You need a loan or purchase,

1856
03:54:18,630 --> 03:54:18,630
and you have a federal pacific panel in your house,
You can't get insurance for it.

1857
03:54:24,910 --> 03:54:28,760
that's the that's the situation. You can't repair that. No way. And the electrical system in this building is beyond its useful life.

1858
03:54:36,120 --> 03:54:36,120
we've visited with consultants, we've interviewed the city staff twice.

1859
03:54:43,080 --> 03:54:46,360
we have gone to contractors who deal with it. And universally they say it's all got to go. It's the nerve center of the building.

1860
03:54:53,640 --> 03:54:53,640
nothing operates without it. You saw that diagram,
How it penetrates every issue.

1861
03:54:58,920 --> 03:54:58,920
I mean, every operating system in the building,
Every appliance, every all of it.

1862
03:55:05,000 --> 03:55:05,000
and it's the biggest number we have by a long shot.

1863
03:55:09,680 --> 03:55:09,680
and that's the biggest differential between our numbers and everybody else.

1864
03:55:15,320 --> 03:55:15,320
but we don't know how to make it go away. You can't repair it.

1865
03:55:20,200 --> 03:55:20,200
it's got to be replaced and it's our number is $120 million.

1866
03:55:27,720 --> 03:55:27,720
everybody else's number is 60. Okay. And let me give you just a teeny bit of history in
How we attack this.

1867
03:55:36,160 --> 03:55:36,160
we read the engineering reports. It talked about all of this equipment being at the end of
Its useful life.

1868
03:55:43,400 --> 03:55:43,400
it talked about the federal pacific panels. We then toured the facility with gresham
Smith's people,

1869
03:55:51,440 --> 03:55:51,440
two contractors on on our behalf and city staff.

1870
03:55:57,160 --> 03:55:57,160
they universally said, you got to replace all of this stuff.

1871
03:56:02,240 --> 03:56:02,240
we then met with the mechanical engineer that we've had a relationship with to confirm
What we're seeing.

1872
03:56:10,480 --> 03:56:10,480
do we really understand this properly? We're hearing these really extensive renovations.

1873
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:17,920
they said, yeah, we agree that needs to go away. So then we got a price. Well, when we got a price at 100 and this one was 112 million.

1874
03:56:26,440 --> 03:56:26,440
we couldn't understand why it was so high. So we then took our electrical subcontractor.

1875
03:56:31,720 --> 03:56:31,720
our people go back to the engine electrical engineer to confirm those numbers,
Confirm the scope,

1876
03:56:39,840 --> 03:56:39,840
went through all the issues with a person that's been working in this building till since
2017.

1877
03:56:47,080 --> 03:56:47,080
he's responsible for the generator pricing and all of the issues.

1878
03:56:53,920 --> 03:56:53,920
we then went back and followed up with city staff who maintains this.

1879
03:56:59,800 --> 03:56:59,800
we had another set aside building to go with them and go.

1880
03:57:04,840 --> 03:57:04,840
are you good with this? Does it make sense? You're the people with the screwdrivers
Holding this system alive.

1881
03:57:10,680 --> 03:57:10,680
do we need to replace all this? Answer yes. Now that one item is 120 million.

1882
03:57:19,440 --> 03:57:19,440
we think it could be high, but I'm going to bet it's going to be closer to my number than
Some of the others,

1883
03:57:26,090 --> 03:57:26,090
because our guy's been in the building, understands how difficult it is to take it apart,
Get it,

1884
03:57:32,250 --> 03:57:32,250
get it out and reassemble this, you know, throughout the building.

1885
03:57:36,290 --> 03:57:36,290
so, I mean, that's one example on its own. I'll guarantee you it's $100 million and you
Can't repair it.

1886
03:57:43,730 --> 03:57:43,730
it just you can't. Okay. So that's a great example where you've taken a category,
You've gone in and looked at it very closely and you've come up

1887
03:57:53,730 --> 03:57:53,730
with a real number. Where is that list for every other category?

1888
03:57:59,690 --> 03:57:59,690
we each included our breakdown of the scope of component costs.

1889
03:58:05,810 --> 03:58:05,810
w.m two numbers is within a slide within their presentation deck,
And we have an equivalent bar chart slide in our appendix of a repair basis.

1890
03:58:15,450 --> 03:58:15,450
ours is also a repair basis. Both estimates are a repair basis.

1891
03:58:20,410 --> 03:58:20,410
okay. Where is the schedule? That is 100% repairs,
Not end of life repairs.

1892
03:58:28,290 --> 03:58:28,290
that's what the motion was, a repair program.

1893
03:58:32,650 --> 03:58:32,650
so yes, needs. If you read in the following sentence,
It says with no fewer than two options for repairs and replacements over a ten year

1894
03:58:40,170 --> 03:58:40,170
period. Correct. And that's what both of the consultant teams have prepared.

1895
03:58:46,490 --> 03:58:46,490
the replacement is for repairs. They're together.

1896
03:58:51,130 --> 03:58:51,130
I mean, it's to repair the building, essentially.

1897
03:58:55,410 --> 03:58:55,410
okay. The windows we have now are getting close to an end of life,
But they're fine.

1898
03:59:02,090 --> 03:59:05,610
correct. And mr. Group did not include replacing them. He reglazed them and resealed them. Yeah, and neither did our group as well,
Ma'am. Okay.

1899
03:59:11,250 --> 03:59:11,250
the motion was very specific. I know, because I wrote it.

1900
03:59:15,810 --> 03:59:15,810
it's a repair pair program. It's not a replacement program.

1901
03:59:19,930 --> 03:59:19,930
it's not a refurbishment. It's not a renovation.

1902
03:59:25,490 --> 03:59:25,490
so I'm looking for the repair program. Can I let me ask you a question.

1903
03:59:31,730 --> 03:59:31,730
the roof. It's been I thought in a bond program and it's been on schedule for several
Years and it's still there.

1904
03:59:41,930 --> 03:59:41,930
that's an example that I can think of is in spite of what it what's there.

1905
03:59:46,970 --> 03:59:46,970
and everybody's saying it needs a new one. You could go patch the roof that I think
They've been doing for a long time.

1906
03:59:55,410 --> 03:59:55,410
so would you advise us to go up there and patch it and not put a new roof up there?

1907
04:00:04,250 --> 04:00:04,250
I mean, that's an example that I think unlike the electrical,
That's an example that's been specified as a need.

1908
04:00:13,010 --> 04:00:13,010
people thought they needed a new roof, but you could go up there and patch to your heart's
Content and maybe get three years for,

1909
04:00:23,010 --> 04:00:23,010
I don't know, but is that an example that you if we were thinking like you thought we
Should think that's the way we should have attached

1910
04:00:32,730 --> 04:00:32,730
attacked the roof. If there's water intrusion today,
I wonder why it hasn't already been patched.

1911
04:00:40,130 --> 04:00:40,130
I don't know either. I mean, so so this is the question,
Why hasn't it already been done?

1912
04:00:47,010 --> 04:00:47,010
and number two is if we're trying to keep a schedule of end of life for systems,
That's a planned maintenance program.

1913
04:00:55,410 --> 04:00:58,970
we should have already had that this entire conversation. We don't have $1 billion that need to be repaired at city hall.

1914
04:01:04,610 --> 04:01:04,610
we have a certain amount of repairs, which I still can't get.

1915
04:01:08,810 --> 04:01:12,730
that number is. And then we have a maintenance program. And these are actually two different things,
And they really ought to be considered as different things.

1916
04:01:18,260 --> 04:01:18,260
and I love that people are concerned about this building.

1917
04:01:22,700 --> 04:01:22,700
but my god, have you seen the other buildings that the city has shocking buildings.

1918
04:01:28,380 --> 04:01:31,820
state your point of order. We're bringing up other buildings. I don't I don't see sustain this. Go ahead and use this panel for what they've actually
Done the work to analyze which is this building.

1919
04:01:38,900 --> 04:01:38,900
council member. Mendelsohn. I did want to make for the record,
You would ask about repairs. So under the city manager's recommended budget and approved

1920
04:01:44,740 --> 04:01:44,740
by the council, we did receive funding for a preventive maintenance program for roofing.

1921
04:01:49,260 --> 04:01:49,260
it was assessed for city hall. It requested $147,000 of emergency repairs,
Which were completed in 2025,

1922
04:01:57,260 --> 04:01:57,260
and it recommended full replacement in 2027. And so so we are making repairs when we can.

1923
04:02:04,100 --> 04:02:06,500
I'm sorry. Do we have water infiltration right now? We do because we have not put a new roof. We are just patching over and over.

1924
04:02:11,540 --> 04:02:14,500
so you have an issue right now that you haven't patched. We patched based on the emergency need at this point,
But we have limited funding across the entire portfolio.

1925
04:02:21,020 --> 04:02:21,020
was there funding that was allocated? No. October 8th for bathrooms here at city hall.

1926
04:02:28,460 --> 04:02:28,460
I'm not familiar with the date. October. I think it's 600 plus thousand dollars.

1927
04:02:38,620 --> 04:02:38,620
is this a bond program? I apologize. I don't have it's an item that came to city council.

1928
04:02:44,700 --> 04:02:47,620
I apologize, I don't I don't have them all memorized. Well, I think that there has been money for repairs that's been allocated that maybe has
Not been spent.

1929
04:02:54,820 --> 04:02:54,820
my next question is again, do we have a date for when there would be a vote on this item?

1930
04:03:07,180 --> 04:03:07,180
thank you for the question. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Today is a briefing,
Which is the part two that we communicated two weeks ago that we will be bringing.

1931
04:03:14,860 --> 04:03:17,860
we do not have an action item before the city council as of today. Thank you so much. Do you have an anticipated date?

1932
04:03:22,820 --> 04:03:22,820
no, I do not. Okay. So there's credible sources that are saying actually to do the repairs
Needed.

1933
04:03:32,300 --> 04:03:32,300
it's actually under $100 million. Do you just say that is not a credible source?

1934
04:03:39,860 --> 04:03:39,860
we have requested the backup data to demonstrate how they've arrived at that value,
And nothing has been provided.

1935
04:03:48,820 --> 04:03:48,820
okay. I have seen I've seen elements of that report and looking at the systems and,
And coming up with a plan to address some of that stuff

1936
04:03:58,740 --> 04:03:58,740
made sense, but I. But the numbers and what was in the scope in those areas,
The description was very general.

1937
04:04:05,940 --> 04:04:05,940
it did not have pricing attached to it. And so you really couldn't tell the viability.

1938
04:04:12,020 --> 04:04:12,020
I think the thought process was reasonable, but I couldn't get an answer on and I didn't
Really push it hard.

1939
04:04:21,060 --> 04:04:24,820
what's the scope in here and how have you segregated the pricing? And I have not seen that. And if you have it,
I mean, I don't know anybody who's seen that.

1940
04:04:31,180 --> 04:04:31,180
but if you have, we'd love to see it. It was not provided as a reference document to the
Team either,

1941
04:04:37,300 --> 04:04:37,300
and was not included as a part of our scope. We were tasked with reviewing the documents
And all of the documents posted to the city's website as a part of this effort,

1942
04:04:48,420 --> 04:04:48,420
but of course, it was produced by someone who worked in the building and knew the systems
Intimately,

1943
04:04:52,860 --> 04:04:56,500
as opposed to a com who said they did a very cursory review. Thank you. Chairman gracey, you're recognized for five minutes.

1944
04:05:01,300 --> 04:05:01,300
thank you, mr. Mayor. Madam city manager, I want to thank you for for one just staying the
Course and,

1945
04:05:08,430 --> 04:05:12,230
and to putting these teams together to really get to the bottom of this. I think when we started the journey, we were sitting here with staff at 329 million.

1946
04:05:17,630 --> 04:05:17,630
and I think it's now jumped to 556. If I'm looking at slide 62.

1947
04:05:23,790 --> 04:05:23,790
and I just want to understand this because I appreciate the way this was organized in
Terms of the repairs and in terms of the the risk and the,

1948
04:05:31,270 --> 04:05:33,990
the priorities in terms of the correcting this. But when I look at this slide here, going back to this renovations versus repairs or
Whatever stuff here,

1949
04:05:41,710 --> 04:05:41,710
if we're just talking about this, because this conversation started because we were saying
Deferred maintenance,

1950
04:05:46,630 --> 04:05:50,030
the, the city hall saves city hall, everybody wants to save city hall. And that's what we're trying to do. And that. And in order to do that effectively,
It is my understanding that what you all have presented gives us the full scope by which

1951
04:06:00,150 --> 04:06:03,230
we can save city hall is that that's the understanding. So and going back to the base of this, I see these corrective repairs,
That first row on there where it started at 329 and jumps all the way to

1952
04:06:12,870 --> 04:06:12,870
556. Just so I'm clear, if we were to categorize these into deferred maintenance,
Does everything that's under

1953
04:06:22,550 --> 04:06:22,550
corrective repair qualify as deferred maintenance repairs?

1954
04:06:28,070 --> 04:06:28,070
I guess you're asking, is everything in line one of the.

1955
04:06:32,390 --> 04:06:32,390
page 62. So with a couple things to consider within that,
And I'll kind of reiterate what I talked about during my component of the presentation is

1956
04:06:43,550 --> 04:06:43,550
the repairs and replacements of systems that are required to bring city hall up to a safe
And effective baseline.

1957
04:06:51,750 --> 04:06:51,750
so no revitalization, no, you know, new layouts,
Anything like that.

1958
04:06:57,710 --> 04:06:57,710
okay. It's in the number there. This number also includes escalation of the cost of work
Post 2028.

1959
04:07:05,150 --> 04:07:05,150
so from 2028 to completion of the component. It also includes any work that triggers code
Elements.

1960
04:07:11,990 --> 04:07:11,990
so for example, ada has adopted city building code,
Etc.

1961
04:07:16,870 --> 04:07:16,870
so all of those numbers go in there. So all of the deferred maintenance and related is a
Component of that number.

1962
04:07:23,030 --> 04:07:23,030
but to repair the system or replace the associated system,
It does trigger other elements that are in that number as well.

1963
04:07:29,750 --> 04:07:29,750
okay. Thank you. And then when we get to the modernization piece,
If we were to go in and say,

1964
04:07:33,950 --> 04:07:33,950
hey, I'm getting my house repaired, and these are all the things that need to be fixed.

1965
04:07:38,670 --> 04:07:41,230
and now it's time to start putting my money where my mouth is. And I'm like, wait a minute, maybe I don't necessarily need these.

1966
04:07:44,190 --> 04:07:44,190
what what items listed are those things that we have an option to say?

1967
04:07:50,950 --> 04:07:50,950
well, maybe not right now, but these things going back to that risk,
And I think a majority of the bubbles were,

1968
04:07:57,150 --> 04:07:57,150
were in the high risk area. Is that a way to kind of take this presentation to scale it
Down,

1969
04:08:03,880 --> 04:08:03,880
because some of the colleagues are going to come through,
And it'll be interesting to see how these narratives change and the wording pay attention

1970
04:08:10,120 --> 04:08:10,120
to words. Some people, the words that were used,
Some people want to say, some people do this and they change these narratives.

1971
04:08:16,640 --> 04:08:16,640
but while they're fighting for city hall and why they were advocating for city hall,
They're saying,

1972
04:08:21,280 --> 04:08:21,280
we want to do this, we want to do this, we want to do this. And now we get the numbers.
We've been debating these numbers for the last I don't know how long debating these

1973
04:08:28,080 --> 04:08:28,080
numbers. We've had a million people working on these numbers to get this to get us to
This.

1974
04:08:33,280 --> 04:08:33,280
and now we're going to now try to debate these numbers again,
Because we don't want to accept the fact that this building is old,

1975
04:08:39,560 --> 04:08:43,120
and it is going to cost us a lot of money to get this building repaired. So I'm just trying to make sure I understand the nature of this.

1976
04:08:46,560 --> 04:08:46,560
which one of these items can we say, okay, well,
I don't really have that much money.

1977
04:08:51,000 --> 04:08:51,000
so which items can I cut and still be okay with that?

1978
04:08:55,320 --> 04:08:55,320
is that what these modernization, the lines underneath that are or these are just other
Items that will be a result of the first line.

1979
04:09:03,720 --> 04:09:03,720
yeah. So I can give a baseline answer here. And then maybe peter can expand on the
Modernization components.

1980
04:09:09,080 --> 04:09:09,080
if you go to slide 19 of the presentation for me.

1981
04:09:13,120 --> 04:09:13,120
and as we were talking about the risk based prioritization framework,
If we talk purely about the repair replacement associated code triggers and otherwise that

1982
04:09:21,400 --> 04:09:21,400
happen within this part of what we gave you in this risk based framework is what are the
Things that you need to do now because they're going to fail and they're going to have an

1983
04:09:30,160 --> 04:09:30,160
impact on the facility. What are the things that you don't need to do now because they may
Not have an impact?

1984
04:09:35,240 --> 04:09:35,240
an example of what you're talking about is I only have so much money,
I can't do much now.

1985
04:09:39,840 --> 04:09:39,840
the cooling towers are something that have been replaced and have a lifetime.

1986
04:09:45,200 --> 04:09:49,040
that would probably span until about year nine of our ten year repair program. Now, at that point in time, the city could choose to,
As we lined out, refurbish those and put an additional 5 or 6 years on it.

1987
04:09:55,600 --> 04:09:55,600
but if you want to put through a bond program or otherwise,
Obviously you want a significant life and warranty.

1988
04:10:01,640 --> 04:10:01,640
that may be a choice where you can refurbish like we did or replace at that point in time.

1989
04:10:05,720 --> 04:10:05,720
so there are elements within the risk prostate risk based prioritization framework.

1990
04:10:10,920 --> 04:10:10,920
big word. Sorry, big word there. That can be addressed.

1991
04:10:15,520 --> 04:10:15,520
but part of it, you also have to think about council member. Gracey is when we start to go
In and open up some of these spaces and you have to do asbestos abatement and otherwise

1992
04:10:24,240 --> 04:10:24,240
you do have a cost for those re mobilizations and otherwise that are being done during
That period.

1993
04:10:28,560 --> 04:10:28,560
so I can't speak to you know, the full kind of renovation or relay out of the facility.

1994
04:10:33,720 --> 04:10:33,720
maybe peter can touch on that more, but for the repair and replacement components,
That would be my advice there.

1995
04:10:39,000 --> 04:10:39,000
okay. Thank you for that explanation. I appreciate that as I was going through trying to
Understand all of these different systems that we have,

1996
04:10:48,840 --> 04:10:48,840
I couldn't figure out the way, the best way I could frame this is what percentage of the
Systems.

1997
04:10:55,680 --> 04:10:55,680
could be refurbished. I guess if you had to put an order or.

1998
04:11:02,080 --> 04:11:02,080
reuse in all of this process. Again, trying to think of ways to save money.

1999
04:11:06,680 --> 04:11:06,680
realistically, what percentage of the systems could actually be refurbished or is that.

2000
04:11:12,280 --> 04:11:12,280
again, one of those questions to your to your previous answer that you don't know until we
Actually get in there, but base 90% of it needs to be replaced.

2001
04:11:21,680 --> 04:11:21,680
but 100% if we get in there or 50% needs to be replaced.

2002
04:11:25,760 --> 04:11:29,600
so I think that's an interesting question when you think about systems as a whole. So plumbing, hvac, electrical, etc., as will lined out,
The electrical system is difficult to not replace most if not all components because you

2003
04:11:39,000 --> 04:11:39,000
do have elements you cannot repair. Right? And so you know,
Just like in, in newer tech at your house,

2004
04:11:45,000 --> 04:11:45,000
if the plug, you may replace your computer, but your plug off the wall may not fit because
There isn't a port for it.

2005
04:11:49,960 --> 04:11:49,960
you're going to have some scenarios like that where you may be able to repair an element
Of the system,

2006
04:11:55,010 --> 04:11:55,010
but it's not going to speak to the rest of the system. Same with hvac,
Right? Right now, most of that is done through pneumatic controls.

2007
04:12:00,650 --> 04:12:00,650
if we're updating components of that, and we want to go to a digital control system to
Support comfort and well-being and energy efficiency.

2008
04:12:08,490 --> 04:12:11,210
most of the end points have to be replaced to support that. And so I think as you kind of go through this,
Most of the systems, the major systems in the building need to be replaced as a part of

2009
04:12:18,010 --> 04:12:18,010
this program. There are elements like the passenger elevator system that have had work
Done to them that you notice are not a part of this program and otherwise.

2010
04:12:25,450 --> 04:12:25,450
so there are elements like that, and the framework helps you kind of lay that out. Thank
You. So, so so you guys intentionally excluded those things.

2011
04:12:31,930 --> 04:12:31,930
and I'm kind of looking at, john, those things that were already been worked on and all of
That. So these numbers are the numbers for everything in this building that needs to be

2012
04:12:39,250 --> 04:12:39,250
replaced, repaired, renovated, whatever the term that you starts with an r,
It needs to be fixed at this point.

2013
04:12:46,090 --> 04:12:46,090
this is the true number to get that. And again,
I just I don't want to spend another several months debating these numbers and insulting

2014
04:12:54,890 --> 04:12:54,890
your intelligence and your professional and your experience and education and all of these
Things.

2015
04:12:59,730 --> 04:12:59,730
I don't want to spend time doing that, and I don't want to go back and forth with the
Public on these numbers,

2016
04:13:05,130 --> 04:13:05,130
because we've now had reviewed this at least three times,
I think, with staff, one group and another group that's have now come in and at least

2017
04:13:13,450 --> 04:13:13,450
seven people on each team. So that that's that the next question I have is the roof,
What will it take to

2018
04:13:23,410 --> 04:13:23,410
actually replace that roof? So let me share with you the information from the study that
Was recently completed.

2019
04:13:32,290 --> 04:13:32,290
it was assessed in 2024. And the overall roof grade for the building was given a c minus.

2020
04:13:37,650 --> 04:13:41,090
and at that time it was beginning to show age related deficiencies. And there were emergency repairs recommended for $147,000 that were completed at that
Time.

2021
04:13:47,450 --> 04:13:47,450
there was an additional leak repair on the upper north side for the next 15,000 more
Dollars.

2022
04:13:53,490 --> 04:13:53,490
it recommends full replacement by 2027, and at that time for this vendor,
They recommended between 3 and $3.5 million for a roof,

2023
04:14:01,650 --> 04:14:01,650
which would be a like for like replacement. I'm not for certain if gresham or mr.

2024
04:14:06,450 --> 04:14:06,450
group has a different or an improved roof in there,
But it does need a new roof.

2025
04:14:10,770 --> 04:14:10,770
okay, perfect. And then the last question I have,
And I just want to make sure I understood that this is about the,

2026
04:14:16,250 --> 04:14:20,010
the, the smoke and the smoke removal or whatever. Am I to understand that in the stairwells, if there were a fire in the stairwell,
If it catches on fire,

2027
04:14:27,130 --> 04:14:31,050
smoke would fill the stairwells. Is that what I understood? I don't I can't remember who was is he? That's correct.

2028
04:14:34,050 --> 04:14:37,250
the stairwells in the atrium would act as a chimney. They today do not have pressurization to prevent the smoke from spreading rapidly and
Causing higher risk to occupants.

2029
04:14:45,650 --> 04:14:49,500
that's a system that could be installed but does not exist in the building today. Okay. And that is currently our fire escape way.

2030
04:14:52,140 --> 04:14:52,140
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairman west, you recognized for five minutes.

2031
04:14:56,420 --> 04:14:56,420
thank you. Mayor. I want to focus for just a second on some clarity on the repair versus
Renovation.

2032
04:15:04,060 --> 04:15:04,060
so I thought a slide that was particularly helpful to me was slide 12.

2033
04:15:09,300 --> 04:15:09,300
the toilets. Can we go to that slide for just a minute.

2034
04:15:14,740 --> 04:15:14,740
and pause my time please. Thank you. Okay. So to me,
This is helpful.

2035
04:15:21,140 --> 04:15:21,140
you have a toilet that is causing problems. You go in,
You're going to repair the toilet.

2036
04:15:27,460 --> 04:15:27,460
when you're repairing the toilet, you realize there's water leakage and problems behind
The toilet.

2037
04:15:34,420 --> 04:15:34,420
and then you also realize it's not ada compliant in that bathroom.

2038
04:15:38,500 --> 04:15:41,900
so that is a repair that triggers a renovation. Is that correct? In the way I understand it. Yeah.

2039
04:15:45,260 --> 04:15:45,260
and I would add in addition, if you're removing elements of plumbing,
You have to replace or you have to repair elements of the distribution plumbing coming

2040
04:15:54,460 --> 04:15:54,460
from the main system that may also trigger the full replacement as well,
Especially if you're having to remove tile that has mastic in it.

2041
04:16:02,580 --> 04:16:02,580
that would cause asbestos abatement. Those are all components that would trigger that.
That's helpful.

2042
04:16:08,260 --> 04:16:08,260
thank you. And so it's impossible for you to just say,
All right.

2043
04:16:13,300 --> 04:16:13,300
as my colleague had pointed out here, I really just want to see the minimal repairs,
Which to me is a band aid replacement.

2044
04:16:19,740 --> 04:16:19,740
it's impossible to do that without triggering other renovations that you're trying to
Encompass in the rest of this report,

2045
04:16:27,540 --> 04:16:27,540
right? There are some issues that are known,
Like the asbestos.

2046
04:16:31,660 --> 04:16:31,660
we are aware of certain conditions in the building,
And then there are some that are unforeseen because we haven't yet done construction.

2047
04:16:39,300 --> 04:16:39,300
demolish those partitions looked below the tile behind the walls.

2048
04:16:43,740 --> 04:16:43,740
that's what we wanted to acknowledge here of how those things grow in scope.

2049
04:16:48,180 --> 04:16:48,180
so both are true. There's known triggers that we're already aware will expand the scope.

2050
04:16:53,740 --> 04:16:53,740
and there's also the potential for additional unforeseen challenges.

2051
04:16:57,820 --> 04:16:57,820
thank you. And the other comment that was made that was actually quite shocking to me was
That we would make repairs and not worry about

2052
04:17:07,740 --> 04:17:11,060
getting up to code. So I don't I wrote the quote down. I can't find it, but it was like, why would we ever ask a team of professionals to make
Repairs and not get it up to code?

2053
04:17:18,900 --> 04:17:18,900
I remember us sitting up here and absolutely crucifying staff for doing that at the
Stemmons facility where we couldn't even move in.

2054
04:17:28,940 --> 04:17:28,940
the media crucified the city for that too. Why would we ask our why would we treat our
City hall in that same way and not get it up to

2055
04:17:38,860 --> 04:17:38,860
code if we're going to go through this renovation process.

2056
04:17:43,180 --> 04:17:43,180
let me ask the city manager this question. Or maybe the city attorney can do we allow
Other businesses that welcome the public into

2057
04:17:53,060 --> 04:17:53,060
their doors to make repairs and then not get up to code?

2058
04:17:58,220 --> 04:17:58,220
can they get a co? Thank you for the question,
Council member west.

2059
04:18:04,780 --> 04:18:04,780
and the answer would be no. Okay, so why would we make an exception for us?

2060
04:18:11,940 --> 04:18:11,940
I would never recommend an exception for us. And then I guess if we are going to make
Exceptions,

2061
04:18:18,140 --> 04:18:18,140
do we skip being code compliance on fire code.

2062
04:18:22,780 --> 04:18:22,780
do we skip code compliance on ada? Where do we pick and choose where we're going to be
Code compliant?

2063
04:18:28,380 --> 04:18:28,380
well, I think the first way that I would say answer that question is,
Number one, I would not even want my code director of the department to actually do a code

2064
04:18:37,980 --> 04:18:37,980
evaluation of this, this city hall in its current state,
Because I think if we're going to do a repair,

2065
04:18:47,150 --> 04:18:47,150
we need to make repairs that will end up in us being code code compliant like we require
For everybody else in the

2066
04:18:57,070 --> 04:18:57,070
city. Correct. That would be yes. Okay. And to do that,
Are you telling us I'm looking at the panel now that

2067
04:19:06,830 --> 04:19:06,830
this plan here, whether we do the shorter term or longer term phase,
Is, is one that we would have to go through.

2068
04:19:15,390 --> 04:19:15,390
so without any sort of reconfiguration or modernization is kind of lined out by cbre.

2069
04:19:22,230 --> 04:19:22,230
this would bring all of the critical elements of the facility up to code and complete the
Repairs and replacements of the systems that are specked out as failing or past their

2070
04:19:31,310 --> 04:19:31,310
useful life. Correct. Okay. And if we choose to go down this path there,
We, we need to prepare for it in a budget.

2071
04:19:38,950 --> 04:19:38,950
and so my questions are going to really focus on that because for months now,
My goal has been to get to a financial picture that I can truly evaluate this

2072
04:19:48,590 --> 04:19:48,590
from. So which slide or slides would you direct me to to help us in our budget planning
For

2073
04:19:58,670 --> 04:19:58,670
the fall? Because we've got a really I mean,
We're imminent on the budget here.

2074
04:20:03,510 --> 04:20:03,510
if I could start. Thank you. Council member west,
I think for the purposes that we've publicly stated before,

2075
04:20:10,310 --> 04:20:10,310
we. We've. We are already in the budget planning process now,
And we have made substantial strides over the last few months of trying to just get

2076
04:20:20,150 --> 04:20:20,150
to kind of where we are, which is why we've given you two budget briefings prior to today.

2077
04:20:25,870 --> 04:20:25,870
so if I'm looking at slide 34, slide 53, as well as slide number 57,
Those would be the cash flow projections

2078
04:20:35,950 --> 04:20:39,470
based on the way the programs have been laid out by both of the teams. That we would begin to need to look at in order to determine what would be needed in those
Upcoming years.

2079
04:20:45,950 --> 04:20:45,950
and that would have to be a part of the way we start thinking about potentially the
Implementation of a program and what the budget capacity would need to be in order to

2080
04:20:54,590 --> 04:20:57,470
accommodate it. And I'll let the team continue. Thank you. Well, and I this may be for staff still,
But I'm looking at slide 34.

2081
04:21:05,750 --> 04:21:05,750
thank you for that. So for 2028, we would need to budget around 7572 to 75 million.

2082
04:21:13,670 --> 04:21:13,670
is that right? I think it's higher than I would I would direct you to slide 62.

2083
04:21:19,110 --> 04:21:19,110
the final piece of the presentation provided by cbre,
Which starts with those base values,

2084
04:21:24,390 --> 04:21:24,390
but then has additional layers for the council's consideration.

2085
04:21:32,950 --> 04:21:32,950
okay. Walk me through this one more time. So you know,
Let's, let's just let's go with w m2

2086
04:21:42,990 --> 04:21:42,990
option one. Okay. I don't mean to pick the highest one there.

2087
04:21:47,510 --> 04:21:47,510
let's go with guess option one. It's lower 744 million.

2088
04:21:52,270 --> 04:21:52,270
what is what from that. Would we budget in for the next year.

2089
04:21:59,990 --> 04:21:59,990
I'll take a crack at this. Councilman. I would look at it this way.

2090
04:22:04,150 --> 04:22:04,150
the team has articulated collectively the amount of money you need for corrective repairs.

2091
04:22:10,630 --> 04:22:10,630
and that is your baseline starting point for what you would probably need in a bond
Package.

2092
04:22:15,830 --> 04:22:15,830
to, to start down this path. Once you start down one of these paths,
You have to commit to a short term.

2093
04:22:23,350 --> 04:22:23,350
if you say 6 to 10 years is short term, short term lease in a temporary relocation.

2094
04:22:27,790 --> 04:22:27,790
so you would immediately commence that when you start your,
Phased departure and returns.

2095
04:22:36,600 --> 04:22:36,600
so those are things that have to happen. But there's not an optional item on that.

2096
04:22:41,840 --> 04:22:45,040
so if you're looking for what do you need to start? I don't know if you can start any one of these projects without committing to it all the
Way. So I would look at the modernization numbers,

2097
04:22:52,760 --> 04:22:52,760
for example, as are we okay coming back to omelet shell or do people need desks and do we
Need furniture and do we need offices?

2098
04:23:00,000 --> 04:23:00,000
so if you all tell us those things are optional,
We're happy to remove those numbers. But those don't appear to be optional based on

2099
04:23:06,520 --> 04:23:10,080
occupancy patterns and how people use office real estate essentially. So I don't view any of those options as categories as optional,
But your starting point is getting a commitment for that 600 or excuse me,

2100
04:23:18,720 --> 04:23:18,720
$531 million. But you will need the rest of the funds at some point.

2101
04:23:25,120 --> 04:23:25,120
okay. And you mentioned the bond funding. The next,
The question I was going to ask for staff is how would we pay for this?

2102
04:23:32,320 --> 04:23:32,320
I'll come back to them on that. So of this g s option one and I'm I'm not I'm just picking
It out.

2103
04:23:38,320 --> 04:23:42,200
there's I don't necessarily support that option. Is there anything in that number we're missing?

2104
04:23:44,560 --> 04:23:44,560
anything that's not in there like lease costs while we move out,
For example, anything that would be added to that that's not already in there.

2105
04:23:53,240 --> 04:23:53,240
so that top line in g s option one, the 531 million,
That's the repairs and code triggered required scope.

2106
04:24:04,280 --> 04:24:04,280
your additional soft costs that you're asking about for leasing,
Moving people in and out,

2107
04:24:09,080 --> 04:24:11,880
moving furniture in and out are all the lines below. Okay. That cbre has evaluated. So you're not forecasting any other unforeseen costs.

2108
04:24:18,880 --> 04:24:18,880
that would be significant enough that we would need to consider when we're looking at the
Full picture of weighing our financial option,

2109
04:24:25,160 --> 04:24:28,600
of staying in city hall and renovating or potentially moving city hall. This is this is the window for this. Yeah. This is the capex piece of it,
If you will.

2110
04:24:33,240 --> 04:24:33,240
I mean, since you are maintaining the building and staying in it,
You're operating expenses don't disappear.

2111
04:24:40,040 --> 04:24:40,040
you still have an operating budget. So and all of these scenarios,
You know, there's a, the actual expenses the city has incurred run out through the 20 year

2112
04:24:48,600 --> 04:24:48,600
model for an occupancy. Preview of that. So there are other costs that are not in that
$744 million number that you have to incur to continue to operate the building at

2113
04:24:58,600 --> 04:25:02,120
the same functionality or nearly the same functionality. So there are other costs that, but this is the capital piece of it.

2114
04:25:05,960 --> 04:25:05,960
and I remember another slide that had the operating costs,
I think phased out.

2115
04:25:12,480 --> 04:25:15,920
I believe it's the next slide. 63. 63 thank you. Yes. So here's the baseline. Plus you add then the financing costs.

2116
04:25:20,960 --> 04:25:20,960
if you were to just assume you're borrowing that $744 million from the previous slide.

2117
04:25:27,930 --> 04:25:27,930
the financing is just 5% cost of capital over 20 years.

2118
04:25:32,210 --> 04:25:32,210
that's the amount of interest you pay on a bond of that magnitude.

2119
04:25:36,530 --> 04:25:36,530
and then you have your temporary lease costs and your operating expenses again,
Are the actuals simulated out for 20 years,

2120
04:25:42,890 --> 04:25:42,890
your annual number grown at normal growth rates for the operating picture.

2121
04:25:47,810 --> 04:25:51,530
so okay. And I guess I just need to digest this a little more. But what I need to explain to my residents is,
All right, here's the cost of the complete renovation in whichever phase we choose.

2122
04:25:58,370 --> 04:25:58,370
here's the cost of operating the building. And then if the city chose to instead move out,

2123
04:26:03,650 --> 04:26:06,370
here's what that cost would be to the taxpayers. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a big part of this is the fiscal decision we've got to
Make and our duty to our taxpayers.

2124
04:26:13,050 --> 04:26:13,050
and I just need to get a grasp of what all those are how we pay for it.

2125
04:26:20,690 --> 04:26:20,690
and the renovation. Is it a bond fund? So thank you for the question.

2126
04:26:25,210 --> 04:26:25,210
council member wes, we've communicated previously that it's either a cash payment or it's
Use.

2127
04:26:30,650 --> 04:26:30,650
I said use the credit card based on where we are today.

2128
04:26:35,290 --> 04:26:35,290
we wanted to have an opportunity to let you hear back on this phase two.

2129
04:26:39,610 --> 04:26:39,610
we do not have a full financial plan prepared to lay out for you today.

2130
04:26:45,410 --> 04:26:49,130
that would be a part of what we will continue to work on and bring that back to you. So that's not in the presentation that you have before you today.

2131
04:26:52,010 --> 04:26:52,010
I know I see mr. Ireland out there. We've started talking through it because we're looking
At it not just as a one year type of a situation

2132
04:27:02,010 --> 04:27:02,010
from a financial planning perspective that we would be able to come back and be able to
Show you if we were to do this,

2133
04:27:07,930 --> 04:27:07,930
whether it's the five year, the 6.4, the ten year,
How do we move those costs out and then either be able to absorb them,

2134
04:27:16,810 --> 04:27:16,810
which we know will be difficult through just our current general fund,
Knowing the budget pressures that we already have going into the planning for the upcoming

2135
04:27:24,090 --> 04:27:24,090
budget. So we don't have that plan ready today,
But we will be coming back to that, coming back to you with that soon.

2136
04:27:29,010 --> 04:27:32,250
and we'll need something very like graphic to show you. Will residents like my upcoming town hall. They're going to expect to see that.

2137
04:27:36,170 --> 04:27:36,170
our goal is to get you a side by side. Chairman ridley,
You're recognized for five minutes.

2138
04:27:43,650 --> 04:27:43,650
thank you, mr. Mayor. So I'd like to return to the scope of this project as laid out in
The march 4th resolution of this

2139
04:27:53,530 --> 04:27:53,530
council, which was to develop a repair program that prioritizes the most critical needs
For city hall and city hall plaza,

2140
04:28:01,610 --> 04:28:01,610
with no fewer than two options for phased repairs and replacements over a ten year period.

2141
04:28:07,690 --> 04:28:07,690
and I'd like to try to refine the distinction between phased repairs and the renovation
Costs that

2142
04:28:17,890 --> 04:28:17,890
have also been covered by this report, and I think that the best slide in the pack that
Attempts to do that is.

2143
04:28:26,770 --> 04:28:26,770
19. The risk based prioritization framework,
And you in the presentation described those

2144
04:28:36,850 --> 04:28:36,850
bubble items that are above the dashed line labeled prioritization as being the ones that
Require the

2145
04:28:46,770 --> 04:28:49,970
earliest attention, in other words, the most critical repairs. Is that correct? That's correct. And those include such things that we're all aware of,
Like the roof,

2146
04:28:57,330 --> 04:28:57,330
the garage leaks and the generators. And so those appear to be the

2147
04:29:06,970 --> 04:29:06,970
items that have the shortest fuze on them that are the most critical repair items.

2148
04:29:12,570 --> 04:29:12,570
correct. And then at the other end of this diagram,
There's a second dashed line to the left.

2149
04:29:21,820 --> 04:29:21,820
now, what does that indicate? That indicates the lowest priority items,
The things that are not beyond their useful

2150
04:29:31,460 --> 04:29:31,460
life and are at the lowest risk of failure. So those might be considered periodic
Maintenance or renovation items.

2151
04:29:41,300 --> 04:29:41,300
well, and at this point in time, as we stated last time,
And I'll say it again, we have not found through the information provided to us and the

2152
04:29:48,900 --> 04:29:52,420
study that we have done any building structural issues. And so it's listed as, at this point in time,
No major risk and potential minor impact in the later parts of the program and would be on

2153
04:30:01,620 --> 04:30:04,220
a maintenance type component. Yes, sir. All right. And so then we've got the space in between those two dashed lines,
Which are not immediate critical

2154
04:30:14,220 --> 04:30:14,220
repairs, but things that we should consider doing at some point in the next ten years.

2155
04:30:20,020 --> 04:30:20,020
is that accurate? That is correct. As you can see,
They range between in the 3 to 4 year risk of failure all the way up to the 7

2156
04:30:29,910 --> 04:30:29,910
to 8 year risk of failure. And those include elements that are used day in and day out as
A part of the city operations.

2157
04:30:37,620 --> 04:30:37,620
and one of those is plumbing. And we heard the analogy with the toilet.

2158
04:30:43,460 --> 04:30:43,460
and when one of the panelists said that the pipes were corroded and all need to be
Replaced,

2159
04:30:50,740 --> 04:30:50,740
you were referring to the cast iron soil pipes only,
Weren't you?

2160
04:30:55,500 --> 04:30:55,500
yes, I was referring to the plumbing distribution,
Not the water supply lines.

2161
04:30:59,980 --> 04:30:59,980
and I presume those are copper and are not corroding at this point in time.

2162
04:31:05,700 --> 04:31:05,700
we're just talking about the components you referenced,
Correct, sir.

2163
04:31:09,740 --> 04:31:09,740
yes. Okay. And so we're not you didn't include in your estimates replacing every pipe in
The building.

2164
04:31:18,300 --> 04:31:21,900
not every pipe? No, sir. And what about the electrical system? I understand that the panels need to be replaced.

2165
04:31:24,500 --> 04:31:24,500
the equipment needs to be replaced. But you did not include replacing all the wiring in
The building.

2166
04:31:31,020 --> 04:31:31,020
correct. So in our in the grisham smith estimate,
We are carrying dollars to replace the majority of the primary switchgear.

2167
04:31:39,100 --> 04:31:41,820
there was some switchgear that was replaced in 2018. And so there's parts and pieces of that that are newer that we have are leaving in place
As a part of that.

2168
04:31:47,980 --> 04:31:47,980
we also are carrying a contingency to replace components of the branch wiring depending
What happens during the repair process.

2169
04:31:57,460 --> 04:32:00,740
but overall we are not replacing the branch wiring components. Okay. Now with regard to the items that are above the prioritization line,
The most critical repair needs,

2170
04:32:09,260 --> 04:32:09,260
where in your presentation do you have the costs for those items.

2171
04:32:16,750 --> 04:32:16,750
so for the grisham smith presentation, sir. That is presented in the appendix on slide 67.

2172
04:32:25,550 --> 04:32:25,550
and for the w m2 presentations that's presented on slide 56 and slide 52.

2173
04:32:35,430 --> 04:32:35,430
okay. I don't see on slide 67 a an item for replacing the roof,
Which I think mr.

2174
04:32:43,950 --> 04:32:43,950
johnson just told us would be a 3 to $3.5 million expense.

2175
04:32:48,110 --> 04:32:48,110
why is that not listed separately? Sir, we have envelope and and roofing together as a
Part of the waterproofing work that's going to be done there.

2176
04:32:56,910 --> 04:32:59,910
so that's listed as fourth from the bottom on that slide. What is that envelope include. The envelope includes sealing to the building,
Sealing to the plaza and related components as well as sealing to the windows.

2177
04:33:09,390 --> 04:33:09,390
so once again we're not calling out replacement of the windows as council member
Mendelsohn brought up.

2178
04:33:14,310 --> 04:33:14,310
we are just sealing the windows for water and related energy components and so why does
The concrete need to be sealed?

2179
04:33:23,270 --> 04:33:23,270
why is that a critical repair item? The concrete on the building,
Sir.

2180
04:33:27,550 --> 04:33:27,550
yes. So we have a cleaning and sealing of the concrete area to make sure from a
Waterproofing perspective that there's areas that are exposed that need to be

2181
04:33:37,550 --> 04:33:37,550
covered from a waterproofing perspective. Now from the garage and the plaza area,
There's components around the expansion joints related that I think I'm not talking about

2182
04:33:45,510 --> 04:33:45,510
those. I'm just talking about the concrete envelope of the building.

2183
04:33:50,350 --> 04:33:50,350
where is it leaking now? I think that's really more of the patching.

2184
04:33:57,470 --> 04:33:57,470
there's a few cracks that are on the facade. And another,
If you remember in that phase one sequencing,

2185
04:34:04,110 --> 04:34:04,110
when we're there repair, we're when we are there pulling out the sealant that's around the
Windows,

2186
04:34:09,470 --> 04:34:09,470
you have scaffolding or anything up. So that's a good point and a good point in time to
Take care of those smaller cracks.

2187
04:34:15,510 --> 04:34:15,510
they're not in significant way going to cause major problems in the facade,
But that's the time to fix them because you're there for your mobilization.

2188
04:34:24,550 --> 04:34:27,110
okay. And have you identified any of these cracks? We have there are some that are identified in some of the earlier reports.

2189
04:34:31,350 --> 04:34:31,350
we were looking at some of them you can see from walking around,
There's more more of them are associated with the garage and sort of the base of the

2190
04:34:40,350 --> 04:34:40,350
building. Like if you go down the stairs that lead down into the garage,
You can kind of see them down at the base of the far north street,

2191
04:34:49,070 --> 04:34:51,270
for example, that little well, that's right there. You can see some of the stuff that needs fixed there.

2192
04:34:53,670 --> 04:34:53,670
so these are not the source of water infiltration into the building at this point.

2193
04:35:02,070 --> 04:35:02,070
we lost I don't know that we know that answer to be 100%,
But they could be.

2194
04:35:07,350 --> 04:35:07,350
yeah. I I do want to know. We were not tasked with completing our own facilities condition
Assessment.

2195
04:35:13,590 --> 04:35:13,590
and so the the information we have to go off council member really are from the reports
From a.

2196
04:35:18,830 --> 04:35:18,830
com and conversations with staff in that report,
It does call out that there needs to be some ceiling to the exterior of the facility,

2197
04:35:26,630 --> 04:35:26,630
as well as the the plaza as well. And then as we mentioned,
With the window component, the ceiling of the windows as well,

2198
04:35:34,670 --> 04:35:34,670
so is the plaza and the garage ceiling all included in this fourth from the bottom item
Envelope and roofing.

2199
04:35:47,070 --> 04:35:47,070
sorry. On our number. Yes, sir. So we have between the concrete and structural number that
Is line three and between the envelope and the roofing on on

2200
04:35:56,990 --> 04:35:56,990
the grisham smith number that is inclusive of the envelope of the building,
The roof of the building,

2201
04:36:03,630 --> 04:36:03,630
the plaza itself, as well as the plaza waterproofing.

2202
04:36:08,160 --> 04:36:08,160
now, there are some some components we have as far as removal of plaza area that's carried
In the site work and demo to expose and get to those areas.

2203
04:36:16,240 --> 04:36:16,240
I believe that wm2 company is carrying that as well as a broke out item on broken out item
On their slides to well,

2204
04:36:24,400 --> 04:36:28,200
that's the problem. This is not broken out by the different components. We've heard the roof is 3 to 3.5 million. We've heard from the waterproofing consultant
That the plaza waterproofing is 2 to 2.3 million.

2205
04:36:37,880 --> 04:36:37,880
we've heard about a few minor cracks in the exterior surface of the building.

2206
04:36:43,560 --> 04:36:43,560
that can't be millions of dollars to seal. And so I'm curious how you get up to the 22,
$25 million.

2207
04:36:52,800 --> 04:36:52,800
so I also want to mention about the roof that the estimate that I provided again,
Was a like for like,

2208
04:36:57,400 --> 04:37:00,680
so they would be replacing the exact old version that we have. And the consultant teams may have scoped an improvement or bring something up to code that
Would be at a different price.

2209
04:37:07,440 --> 04:37:10,680
well, did anyone do a revised price for the roof? Yeah. So I can speak to our number for the roofing and I'd like w m2 to also come on it,
Comment on it as well.

2210
04:37:17,200 --> 04:37:17,200
the roof carries about 160 500 zero square foot of some of the ply replacement and
Otherwise.

2211
04:37:22,240 --> 04:37:22,240
now there's also roof drains related components that when you replace roofing,
Need to be done.

2212
04:37:27,040 --> 04:37:30,920
and so our own roofing numbers closer to 7.5 million. I'm sorry. How much? 7.5 million, sir. Okay. So how do we get to 22 million?

2213
04:37:37,800 --> 04:37:41,000
so for the $22 million number for 25 million. 25 million. Yes, sir. So within that, we have approximately the plaza deck and
Waterproofing components comes in about $9 million.

2214
04:37:50,480 --> 04:37:50,480
we have seven plus million dollars. Like I said,
For the roofing component, there's also another $3 million that includes facade access and

2215
04:38:00,160 --> 04:38:00,160
working swing space and scaffolding permitting and caulking that comes through those
Pieces.

2216
04:38:05,200 --> 04:38:05,200
and then when you get to the garage component,
As was mentioned earlier, there's concrete spall and delamination repair.

2217
04:38:11,520 --> 04:38:11,520
there's expansion, joint reconstruction and column corrosion that all come into that
Number.

2218
04:38:16,360 --> 04:38:16,360
well, that's all in the concrete structural item,
Isn't it?

2219
04:38:20,400 --> 04:38:23,800
concrete structural. So we have the garage number,
Right. And concrete structural. So for envelope and building between those two components to get
To that number.

2220
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:30,080
apologies. Sorry. Lots of numbers here. So for the envelope sealing and glazing,
As I mentioned,

2221
04:38:35,200 --> 04:38:38,120
we have the concrete facade penetrating sealer. We have crack joint epoxy injection and prep.

2222
04:38:41,160 --> 04:38:41,160
we have glazing perimeter caulk as I mentioned was about 120,000 square foot.

2223
04:38:46,600 --> 04:38:46,600
we have the parapet transition sealant. And those are all for the envelope sealing
Component.

2224
04:38:51,280 --> 04:38:51,280
that comes in about $6 million, $6.5 million for the roof and plaza waterproofing
Components,

2225
04:38:57,600 --> 04:39:00,330
as I mentioned, which is envelope and related. We have about $7 million for the roof and another $8 million for the plaza deck and
Waterproofing,

2226
04:39:06,890 --> 04:39:06,890
which gets us to that $22 million number. Okay,
I'll return with more questions next time.

2227
04:39:13,290 --> 04:39:13,290
thanks. Mr. Roth recognized for five minutes.

2228
04:39:21,050 --> 04:39:21,050
thank you. I appreciate the presentation. And it's and I'll tell you,
It's it's it's eye opening to see how the building is really structured.

2229
04:39:30,690 --> 04:39:30,690
it's basically five little boxes and you got,
You can so you can work in each box independently.

2230
04:39:38,330 --> 04:39:38,330
so that really facilitates moving people, not having to interrupt,
Being able to segregate your,

2231
04:39:45,010 --> 04:39:45,010
your operations and, and hopefully you can repair stuff as we need to in those boxes,
Get them complete.

2232
04:39:52,090 --> 04:39:52,090
so what that's, that's interesting to me to understand how the work can be done.

2233
04:39:58,290 --> 04:39:58,290
number one. Number two, the in. In your planning of the numbers,
You have five, you have 500 and let's say 600 million

2234
04:40:08,450 --> 04:40:08,450
and 610 million. Those are the, the two numbers.

2235
04:40:12,570 --> 04:40:12,570
under the five year plan it seems like on the priority amounts you really,
You're spending most of your

2236
04:40:21,970 --> 04:40:21,970
money on the electrical. That's, that's the big number.

2237
04:40:26,250 --> 04:40:26,250
and and then the second one is basically that that's really your big number.

2238
04:40:32,050 --> 04:40:32,050
and that's something that really has to be done. But in these numbers that you're
Projecting,

2239
04:40:36,490 --> 04:40:36,490
I notice you've got a $90 million contingency.

2240
04:40:40,610 --> 04:40:44,050
is that, is that that's extra, that's sort of our protection. That's a conservative sort of a reserve in case you run into a jam in case there's some
Other problem.

2241
04:40:50,650 --> 04:40:50,650
so that number, the $600 million has got 90 million of it is potential contingency if you
Get some surprises.

2242
04:40:59,410 --> 04:40:59,410
is that correct? That's correct. Okay. So we've got a little bit of a buffer there already
Of almost $100 million.

2243
04:41:07,170 --> 04:41:07,170
that's number one. Number two. The roof you got,
For example, you said it's 160 500 zero square feet.

2244
04:41:15,050 --> 04:41:15,050
okay. At eight in the number you have here is $8.5 million for the roof in this ten year
Planning budget and the five year planning budget,

2245
04:41:23,770 --> 04:41:23,770
that's 50 bucks a square foot. That's pretty,
Pretty high for a, for a roof.

2246
04:41:29,210 --> 04:41:32,330
so that's a little bit of a conservative number. There may be some, some some, some extra money in there that could be saving what I'm
Going to ask you the question,

2247
04:41:41,890 --> 04:41:45,770
and I'm not asking you to bake the answer, but to tell me the right answer. Are these numbers that you're projecting somewhat conservative?

2248
04:41:49,370 --> 04:41:49,370
are they are you trying to give yourself a little bit of,
Of movement so that you can be a hero if you can make it for less.

2249
04:41:57,970 --> 04:42:00,650
I don't know if I would say, you know, the hero component. I would say that without a design and being in a planning level phase,
You know, I have spent my entire career advising municipalities on how to

2250
04:42:10,410 --> 04:42:10,410
structure and build municipal facilities, whether it's city halls,
Emergency operations centers,

2251
04:42:14,930 --> 04:42:14,930
related. And the most important part of the project is the planning estimate phase.

2252
04:42:20,330 --> 04:42:20,330
to make sure that the known scope is agreed upon,
There's sufficient dollars to go to and that the city can prepare to do that.

2253
04:42:26,650 --> 04:42:29,410
so, yes, there are contingency numbers built in here. There are escalation numbers built in here, and our goal is to give you a directional
Budget that you can then take as a rom to look forward.

2254
04:42:36,010 --> 04:42:36,010
so when you're planning your financial components or planning your procurements,
You can have a good rough order of magnitude to plan against.

2255
04:42:42,850 --> 04:42:42,850
so, and that's, that's what I am expecting. Was the answer going to be,
So you're trying to give us a vision,

2256
04:42:50,130 --> 04:42:50,130
a conservative number that may have a little bit of extra component in case we have a
Surprise.

2257
04:42:56,340 --> 04:42:56,340
hopefully it's going to be less, but it gives you all flexibility and gives us flexibility
To determine what we're going to do every year for the six and a half years,

2258
04:43:05,220 --> 04:43:07,780
or whether we're going to do it over the ten years. So from a budgeting standpoint, it looks like what you're doing here.

2259
04:43:10,940 --> 04:43:10,940
we're going to have a big hit in the first two years because that's where your big
Priority numbers are in the electrical number.

2260
04:43:18,180 --> 04:43:21,820
does that include the generators? Yes, sir. Yes. Okay. Does that also include the first two years as basically 150 to $170 million,
Give or take.

2261
04:43:30,860 --> 04:43:30,860
right. So that's the two that's the two big years that we have to combine.

2262
04:43:35,980 --> 04:43:35,980
after that, we're sort of rocking and rolling under the ten year deal,
About 5060 million a year under the five year deal you're about.

2263
04:43:44,300 --> 04:43:44,300
also you're going to be at I don't know what the number was,
Was 100 million a year.

2264
04:43:49,940 --> 04:43:53,100
so if we string this out, we only have to pay. We only have to budget maybe $50 million a year.

2265
04:43:56,460 --> 04:43:56,460
again it's big money. Don't get me wrong. I don't have $50 million to spend every year.

2266
04:44:02,140 --> 04:44:02,140
neither does this group. But it's something that can be planned and it can be judged.

2267
04:44:06,860 --> 04:44:06,860
and we don't have to spend it if we don't need to,
If we don't want to.

2268
04:44:11,820 --> 04:44:11,820
if in five years, if on a ten year plan, we decide to do something different,
We don't have to.

2269
04:44:16,500 --> 04:44:16,500
we can do something different. It gives us tremendous flexibility.

2270
04:44:21,060 --> 04:44:21,060
the other, the the other question I have though,
Is the, the, the implication of the ada and

2271
04:44:30,980 --> 04:44:30,980
the asbestos stuff. Once you, when you segregate the building as you're making it that
Componentized effect of ada

2272
04:44:40,700 --> 04:44:40,700
and, and asbestos is limited to that component or does it then automatically relate to the
Other.

2273
04:44:50,940 --> 04:44:50,940
so from the I'll speak to the task perspective and I'll let don and will speak to the you
Know,

2274
04:44:56,220 --> 04:44:56,220
the asbestos or otherwise. From the task perspective,
If the project is submitted to tldr.

2275
04:45:03,780 --> 04:45:03,780
tldr and as a task project, as one complete project from the,
From the date of substantial completion,

2276
04:45:11,500 --> 04:45:15,380
you have 270 days to remedy any task components. So depending on how this project is phased, we may have more or less time to complete the
Task and ada components of the project.

2277
04:45:22,620 --> 04:45:22,620
from the asbestos perspective, before we can get certificate of occupancy to move back in,

2278
04:45:27,740 --> 04:45:27,740
we would have to have the permit approved for that piece as well.

2279
04:45:33,780 --> 04:45:33,780
the and your question on the asbestos, the way it was broken up vertically,
We have walls to the deck.

2280
04:45:43,420 --> 04:45:43,420
and when we talked previously, we were talking about a lot of plastic finishes a negative
Pressure and you still have to have that negative pressure.

2281
04:45:50,940 --> 04:45:50,940
but when you phase the building like that, you've got structural walls going to the deck.

2282
04:45:55,620 --> 04:45:55,620
so there's much less risk and you can control it better.

2283
04:45:59,780 --> 04:46:02,380
they're sort of like firewalls. Yeah, almost. These are little boxes. We're self-contained boxes.

2284
04:46:06,260 --> 04:46:06,260
okay. I have. I'm out of time, but I have a couple other questions.

2285
04:46:11,700 --> 04:46:15,140
miss blair. You're recognized for five minutes. You may not need it, but thank you, mayor. Thank you guys for your presentations today and
For my colleagues who's whose questions have already been asked.

2286
04:46:26,180 --> 04:46:26,180
I'm going to ask specific questions in regards to my favorite subject code.

2287
04:46:33,260 --> 04:46:33,260
how does the phased repair program priority and prioritize safety and code compliance.

2288
04:46:44,260 --> 04:46:44,260
okay. So I can go ahead first here, and then we'll let don and will if they have a
Different perspective to add.

2289
04:46:49,710 --> 04:46:49,710
but one of the important things we've heard,
And I believe council member johnson last time talked about a safe city hall repeatedly.

2290
04:46:56,550 --> 04:46:56,550
and I think it's an important component for us as we went and looked at the project.

2291
04:47:00,590 --> 04:47:00,590
so things that were important to us is making sure that the major mechanical systems in
The facility were replaced early as those support the rest of the facility,

2292
04:47:09,750 --> 04:47:12,230
right? All the components for staff and otherwise. The other piece of this that I think is important is our prioritization around staff
Safety also includes asbestos abatement,

2293
04:47:19,430 --> 04:47:19,430
right? So for areas that we're going to be working in abating that area fully before staff
Move back in and prioritizing that approach over and over again as we move through the

2294
04:47:27,670 --> 04:47:27,670
facility. I don't know if you have further to add,
But.

2295
04:47:37,390 --> 04:47:37,390
in the investigation that we've done, we have prioritized life safety.

2296
04:47:42,350 --> 04:47:42,350
and to us right now. The smoke evacuation system and asbestos are the two most life
Threatening conditions that we have

2297
04:47:52,430 --> 04:47:52,430
from a firefighter's perspective. The biggest obstacle they face is going into stairwells
That are not pressurized.

2298
04:48:00,790 --> 04:48:00,790
now, there are some people within the industry that believe that stair pressurization is
Not that important.

2299
04:48:08,310 --> 04:48:08,310
we believe that the building code is the minimum standard for these life safety systems.

2300
04:48:15,510 --> 04:48:15,510
and many times we far exceed the building code in the interest of protecting people.

2301
04:48:20,190 --> 04:48:20,190
so what I would say is that stair pressurization is really important to the firefighters
That enter those stairwells.

2302
04:48:27,150 --> 04:48:27,150
if the building's on fire and if they go into the stairwell and it's not positively
Pressurized,

2303
04:48:32,150 --> 04:48:35,710
that means smoke from any floor can enter that stairwell. And the firefighters then are now dealing with smoke in the place where they're trying to
Connect to hose bibs to to drag their fire hoses out on the floor in an

2304
04:48:45,710 --> 04:48:45,710
un sprinkled building. Things will change dramatically when an automatic sprinkler system
Gets installed on the upper floors of this building that many

2305
04:48:55,430 --> 04:48:55,430
times reduces the fire department and emergency responders responsibility to clean up
Rather than put the fire out.

2306
04:49:02,710 --> 04:49:02,710
but the way the building is set up right now,
We have nonexistent access to those stairwells in terms of stair pressurization.

2307
04:49:12,030 --> 04:49:12,030
yes, firemen can go in there, but they don't know what they're going to face when they
Enter those stairwells and the smoke system in the atrium.

2308
04:49:18,950 --> 04:49:18,950
to me, it was on the original drawings. The architects knew they needed to do something to
Remove smoke from the upper floors of this building.

2309
04:49:27,270 --> 04:49:27,270
if a fire did originate in the base of the building,
But that was omitted for some strange reason,

2310
04:49:34,470 --> 04:49:34,470
it was omitted. We don't know why, but I talked to one individual who told me that there
Was an intention to do it later.

2311
04:49:42,880 --> 04:49:42,880
and since the course of this building being opened,
The code requirements for smoke evacuation in the atrium have changed four times.

2312
04:49:53,440 --> 04:49:53,440
and the interesting thing is they're not as stringent as they were early on in the 1999
Code.

2313
04:49:59,840 --> 04:50:03,720
it required six air changes in that atrium space. Then it was reduced to four. And the current code allows us to go down to two air changes
Per hour.

2314
04:50:10,160 --> 04:50:10,160
so it has to do with a whole combination of other things in the life safety network.

2315
04:50:15,080 --> 04:50:15,080
but I do know that we want to take care of those life safety issues first and foremost for
The occupants of this building and the firefighters who arrive here in

2316
04:50:24,840 --> 04:50:24,840
an unfortunate situation. You said something very specific that this was for fire.

2317
04:50:33,280 --> 04:50:33,280
we were looking at it from the perspective of fire,
Getting in and out and being able to understand what about the the employees that would be

2318
04:50:42,040 --> 04:50:45,360
in the building? I was in a building that was burning. I worked at in, in when I worked in, in la, we were in a burning building.

2319
04:50:50,920 --> 04:50:50,920
we were we couldn't get where we needed to go because it was smoke.

2320
04:50:55,000 --> 04:50:57,880
yeah. So can you please address those safety. It's based on what you just said. Well, smoke inhalation is deadly.

2321
04:51:02,880 --> 04:51:02,880
there's no doubt about it. It's just a question of how much you can tolerate.

2322
04:51:07,080 --> 04:51:07,080
but the presence of smoke can be altered by a proper smoke evacuation system.

2323
04:51:13,560 --> 04:51:16,320
the code requirement is that there's no smoke. The code requirement is there's a six foot clear path below the smoke on the top floor.

2324
04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:21,200
so in the seventh floor of this building around the atrium,
That smoke accumulation would have to be no lower or closer to the floor than six feet.

2325
04:51:29,560 --> 04:51:29,560
and that's what these systems use as design. Today we have computer models that simulate
These fires and we can simulate in evacuation systems the exhaust

2326
04:51:39,360 --> 04:51:42,280
fans and the air intake fans, the make up air. And it can all be done now at a level where we're designing to the right solution rather
Than overkill.

2327
04:51:47,720 --> 04:51:47,720
so what I would say is we just needed time. We ran out of time,
Folks.

2328
04:51:52,040 --> 04:51:55,720
I'm just honest with you. So we had lots of things we wanted to run down. And I'll tell you one of the other ones we just have to get,
We just have to get good information from a lot of different subconsultants that we

2329
04:52:02,960 --> 04:52:02,960
haven't even had a chance to talk. So let me let me go on.

2330
04:52:07,000 --> 04:52:09,640
so you're so let me go on to the next question. You said if additional code. So if additional code issues are found during the repair
Process,

2331
04:52:18,400 --> 04:52:21,120
how would those be addressed. Would they be addressed. Will you be because you have you say that based on what councilman has said that you found
That you have you have

2332
04:52:31,120 --> 04:52:31,120
some contingencies baked into your. Are you saying that you would just do the work without
Coming back to council?

2333
04:52:38,480 --> 04:52:38,480
so I think a couple things to note here. I want to clarify.

2334
04:52:42,640 --> 04:52:42,640
in our approach, we are replacing the and implementing the atrium,
Smoke ventilation, the fire pump room,

2335
04:52:51,280 --> 04:52:53,920
and related sprinkling components all in phase one. Okay, so that's the first thing as a part of life safety out the gate.

2336
04:52:57,000 --> 04:52:57,000
and then we are doing the horizontal distribution to the areas as we go through the phase.

2337
04:53:01,440 --> 04:53:01,440
so I just want to clear that component up. We'd still use the standpipes for the existing
Facility for any areas that are not renovated at that point,

2338
04:53:08,320 --> 04:53:08,320
but we would then go throughout. Now to your question around,
If things are found along the way,

2339
04:53:13,240 --> 04:53:13,240
would we do them without council approval? We are not currently under contract to do the
Work or plan for that.

2340
04:53:19,080 --> 04:53:19,080
and once again, as I mentioned earlier, our job at this point in time is to provide you
With sufficient scope,

2341
04:53:24,800 --> 04:53:24,800
direction, and budget components so that that can be planned as a part of the scope of the
Project.

2342
04:53:29,920 --> 04:53:29,920
now, whether or not the contractor would have to come back to council to complete that
Work would be dependent on the way that you structure your contract with the council

2343
04:53:39,210 --> 04:53:39,210
member and the state, or with the contractor in the state of texas. And so I think that's
The best component that I can answer at this point on that.

2344
04:53:49,770 --> 04:53:49,770
to me, if we if we discover things during the course of construction in what is a
Remodeling project,

2345
04:53:55,770 --> 04:53:55,770
we have to isolate it, define it, solve, identify the problem,
And then ask for approval to make those changes.

2346
04:54:02,010 --> 04:54:02,010
it wouldn't be automatic. Thank you. Well, all new code issues found during the repair
Work be addressed immediately.

2347
04:54:10,770 --> 04:54:13,130
or will council. I guess you just answered that. Well, council. So that would mean you would need a change order if you were if it.

2348
04:54:18,810 --> 04:54:18,810
or do you have funds when you said you had funds baked in,
Would you still need a change order or when would you based on how you you

2349
04:54:28,810 --> 04:54:28,810
did your budgeting, how would you answer to. Are we saying that you're just going to do
Stuff or,

2350
04:54:37,450 --> 04:54:37,450
or or do you have to have. I'm sorry, explain or do you have to explain?

2351
04:54:43,930 --> 04:54:43,930
let me say this. Let me let me readdress it. If you have found that there is additional
Work that's needed and you based on your pulling

2352
04:54:53,850 --> 04:54:53,850
a wall out, I did some remodeling and you're absolutely correct.

2353
04:54:58,610 --> 04:54:58,610
you and my house is an old house. You open up a wall,
You find stuff that was supposed to be there that's not there.

2354
04:55:06,930 --> 04:55:06,930
you find stuff that you didn't, you didn't look for.

2355
04:55:11,250 --> 04:55:11,250
with your budgeting that you have laid out. What,
What is the give me, let me ask it this way.

2356
04:55:19,810 --> 04:55:19,810
what percentage or is there a percentage of error that we should,
We should look for in your budget?

2357
04:55:27,850 --> 04:55:27,850
so we are carrying, if you can, whoever's going through the slides,
If you can go to the next slide for me to account for unknowns,

2358
04:55:35,010 --> 04:55:35,010
because we're not opening up the, you know, we're not completing the work at this point in
Time.

2359
04:55:39,370 --> 04:55:43,330
we're not doing some of the exploratory scanning and demo all those components. At this point in time, we're carrying a contingency of 10%,
A market reserve of of 5%.

2360
04:55:50,530 --> 04:55:50,530
and then obviously the market escalation. Now,
If there are things that are discovered that are outside of the repair of known elements

2361
04:55:59,290 --> 04:55:59,290
that we've been provided in here, we would hope that the contingency could cover that,
But it needs to go through a full design and exploration process to really identify those

2362
04:56:07,930 --> 04:56:07,930
items. Let me answer something this this way.

2363
04:56:13,250 --> 04:56:13,250
again, this is a general purpose budget where we've dug into some some areas that we
Thought were needed a little examination,

2364
04:56:22,530 --> 04:56:22,530
but the step following this is a much more robust and detailed program of drawing what you
Want to be

2365
04:56:31,860 --> 04:56:31,860
corrected defining the scope of work and coming up with a much more refined budget to deal
With that.

2366
04:56:41,620 --> 04:56:41,620
when you do that, you may want to shrink the contingency,
But most of the time you never do anything to

2367
04:56:51,660 --> 04:56:51,660
your contingency before you've even started a job,
People all of a sudden get confident.

2368
04:56:57,260 --> 04:56:57,260
but I've just been through so many projects. You ultimately use a healthy amount of that
Contingency.

2369
04:57:03,940 --> 04:57:03,940
now, if you structure your contract right with your contractor,
And I don't know if you're concerned about this,

2370
04:57:10,700 --> 04:57:10,700
they don't just go spend that contingency. They've got to come to you and say,
Hey, we have a problem here.

2371
04:57:17,860 --> 04:57:21,060
either somebody missed it in the plans or we had a hidden condition. I mean, there are a variety of things that can trigger additional cost.

2372
04:57:24,580 --> 04:57:24,580
but before somebody just goes and spends the money,
They've got to come to you and explain,

2373
04:57:29,580 --> 04:57:29,580
you know, how they want to, how they've addressed that and how they're justified in taking
It out of contingency.

2374
04:57:36,260 --> 04:57:36,260
because you could have an argument, mr. Contractor,
That was in your original scope.

2375
04:57:40,660 --> 04:57:40,660
you can't use my contingency for your problem.

2376
04:57:44,700 --> 04:57:44,700
and you, you negotiate contingency all the way until the day you finish the job.

2377
04:57:51,140 --> 04:57:53,780
but that's the way it's typically structured. City manager, I have a question for you. How are we supposed to pay for all this?

2378
04:58:03,620 --> 04:58:03,620
I would start my answer with the, the magnitude of the,
The, the cost, as we've

2379
04:58:13,580 --> 04:58:13,580
talked about previously and even the earlier discussions back in march when the number was
A little bit different was the pulling that into the overall

2380
04:58:23,620 --> 04:58:23,620
context of our budget. And there's been comments made about we should never borrow money
To do,

2381
04:58:30,940 --> 04:58:30,940
whether it's repairs, which I agree, because when you're talking about repairs,
You're not,

2382
04:58:36,140 --> 04:58:36,140
you're not necessarily talking about things that are going to last you for 20 years. So
Why would you want to go and issue bonds and pay on them for 20 years?

2383
04:58:45,540 --> 04:58:47,660
and what you've prepared might last you for five. So I totally agree. And so then that puts us back to the current pressures on our existing
Budget,

2384
04:58:54,140 --> 04:58:57,500
not only for this year, but in our budget projections going forward. And so my immediate answer would be, if you're asking me today,
Do we have the current funds cash in our existing budget to pay for

2385
04:59:07,420 --> 04:59:07,420
us, whether it's the recommendation on the numbers we have from gresham or the numbers
That we got from w.m.

2386
04:59:14,340 --> 04:59:17,780
two year one, two, three, four, five. It really doesn't matter. My answer would be no, we do not. And so we would have to as we do every year as we're
Planning out the budget look for

2387
04:59:27,860 --> 04:59:27,860
additional ways that we can continue to do what we've already begun.

2388
04:59:33,100 --> 04:59:36,620
how do we look at our streamlining of services,
Efficiencies, duplication. We are already doing those things now. And even with the budget projections that we shared
With you over a month ago,

2389
04:59:44,380 --> 04:59:44,380
we are even in the existing budget right now showing a gap.

2390
04:59:48,740 --> 04:59:48,740
and so the short answer is you don't have the funding now.

2391
04:59:53,860 --> 04:59:53,860
and if council wants to proceed with a whatever,
Whatever you call it we would want to make sure that we understand that that's your

2392
05:00:02,100 --> 05:00:02,100
direction for issuing additional debt. So that is my answer for now.

2393
05:00:07,020 --> 05:00:07,020
so if we have if we're going to have to have additional debt to do this work,
How do is there would we need to.

2394
05:00:17,460 --> 05:00:17,460
well, let me ask this, this question of you. If we look at a ten year process,
20 year process.

2395
05:00:25,790 --> 05:00:25,790
let me start with you guys. Typically when I,
When I remodeled, I wished I had done it like my sister did,

2396
05:00:32,670 --> 05:00:32,670
moved out, gutted it, and did all the repairs at one time.

2397
05:00:36,910 --> 05:00:36,910
because by the time you try to budget for today,
For this piece, then tomorrow for that piece,

2398
05:00:43,950 --> 05:00:43,950
and then for the next piece, the first thing that you started with starts failing.

2399
05:00:49,510 --> 05:00:49,510
so why would we do a ten year or 20 year or even a five year process when we

2400
05:00:59,350 --> 05:00:59,350
and have you added into your cost over the ten year process?

2401
05:01:05,630 --> 05:01:05,630
a plan that looks at things that you, you said haven't,
Like you said before, had a nine year life cycle on it.

2402
05:01:14,510 --> 05:01:17,430
and on the 10th year, what are you going to do with it? Do we have to start all over again? So a couple of things I'd like to clarify.

2403
05:01:23,430 --> 05:01:25,350
I agree with you on the home renovation piece. I believe they call that divorce dust when you do it in the home. So understand on the
Phase project,

2404
05:01:30,910 --> 05:01:30,910
I want to I want to go back to the fact that we were tasked with at least one of our
Options being a ten year program that was not selected by our consultant team as a part of

2405
05:01:39,470 --> 05:01:39,470
this. And so I think a couple things to consider,
And we talked about the, one of our core tenants being effective and efficient use of

2406
05:01:48,510 --> 05:01:48,510
taxpayer dollars. When you look at a project like this,
It is important for us to present all the costs like peter did.

2407
05:01:55,150 --> 05:01:55,150
so you can look at it holistically. I can tell you from a construction perspective only,
Of course,

2408
05:02:01,110 --> 05:02:01,110
we would prefer to come in and work through an unoccupied facility and complete the
Project as fast as possible.

2409
05:02:07,030 --> 05:02:07,030
it minimizes the premiums. It minimizes the risk to occupied spaces,
All of those things.

2410
05:02:11,750 --> 05:02:11,750
but this is a city hall. There are critical functions that need to be delivered.

2411
05:02:16,150 --> 05:02:16,150
and so it also has to be considered as far as what the costs are for those to be relocated
Or provided otherwise.

2412
05:02:21,790 --> 05:02:21,790
and so I think that is the decision that is facing the council today with the fully loaded
Numbers around swing space and otherwise is what is the priority,

2413
05:02:30,150 --> 05:02:30,150
right. Is the priority to continue to operate in this facility for the foreseeable future?

2414
05:02:34,750 --> 05:02:37,390
is the priority to is in the most effective manner? I think there's costs on both sides that need to be evaluated there,
And that's why the numbers are presented the way that they are. You guys

2415
05:02:47,350 --> 05:02:47,350
don't have anything to add. If you ask any contractor,
They want things wide

2416
05:02:57,150 --> 05:02:57,150
open and go. So if if you would go visit with a contractor,
They would say, let's do a lot of front end planning,

2417
05:03:06,270 --> 05:03:06,270
do drawings. Let's see if we can't tighten down the numbers and refine the scope,
And we would like to blow it go as fast as we can,

2418
05:03:14,640 --> 05:03:14,640
which would imply an empty building. Okay. So again,
I mean, we did a we

2419
05:03:24,640 --> 05:03:24,640
did just like, just like you said, we had a ten year obligation to do a ten year plan that
Was within the resolution,

2420
05:03:34,200 --> 05:03:34,200
our alternative plan, you can see we cut, we cut it in half and built it in five years.

2421
05:03:40,600 --> 05:03:40,600
I still think that's pretty aggressive. But our folks say it's doable.

2422
05:03:48,120 --> 05:03:48,120
and so that's, you know, that's why we came up with an alternate plan in larger chunks
Where we could move people around and still make it work and hit it and hit a five year

2423
05:03:57,720 --> 05:03:57,720
program. I don't remember which one of you guys who said about l three

2424
05:04:07,960 --> 05:04:07,960
because you didn't go, but you know that there's,
There's leaks, there's water leaks and you feel that it's just a crawl space.

2425
05:04:16,600 --> 05:04:16,600
anything that you have said that needed to be repaired in l3,
Is that baked in your prices here,

2426
05:04:22,880 --> 05:04:22,880
or would that be additional charges that we would have to consider?

2427
05:04:27,760 --> 05:04:27,760
she asked. We discussed the crawl space. We we talked about how to potentially address it,

2428
05:04:36,120 --> 05:04:36,120
where you take it out or fill it up or putting in fans,
You know, to, to keep it dry.

2429
05:04:44,000 --> 05:04:44,000
but we don't have a number in there right now because we,
We didn't get down there and really look at it and,

2430
05:04:49,480 --> 05:04:49,480
and understand we've seen pictures and we know it's an issue,
But we did not have a number in our budget.

2431
05:04:57,000 --> 05:04:57,000
and from what I understand, it's not a it's not a big number,
I think, to address some of that.

2432
05:05:03,760 --> 05:05:03,760
I couldn't tell you what, but I know I'm just relaying table talk.

2433
05:05:07,920 --> 05:05:07,920
conversation among our team is it's an issue.

2434
05:05:12,960 --> 05:05:12,960
we didn't have access to it, so we didn't put it in our numbers.

2435
05:05:17,400 --> 05:05:17,400
yeah. And I would agree it's not costed on a per square foot basis or related in our
Number,

2436
05:05:22,680 --> 05:05:25,560
just given the information that was provided on that component. But I do think I agree with the team that that could be a number that would be focused on
Waterproofing primarily given the fact that there is elements in there.

2437
05:05:33,360 --> 05:05:37,000
and so I think that could be covered potentially by contingency. Mayor. With the rest of my minute, can I ask chair johnson a question?

2438
05:05:42,440 --> 05:05:45,640
well, you only have you have no time. Okay. Thank you. I'll come back. Yeah. I'm sorry I didn't say it on the microphone.

2439
05:05:49,480 --> 05:05:53,160
yeah, you were out of time. Sorry, but you have another opportunity. Of course. Yeah. You. And you use them asking that question.

2440
05:05:58,720 --> 05:05:58,720
chairwoman stewart, you're recognized for five minutes.

2441
05:06:03,200 --> 05:06:03,200
thank you, mayor johnson. Okay. I'm the person who's worried about her anxiety here,
And I'm going to tell you,

2442
05:06:09,080 --> 05:06:09,080
my anxiety continues to come down. I think the more information we get,
The information you've given us with respect to scope and budget helps us begin to see how

2443
05:06:18,320 --> 05:06:18,320
we can chart a path. And then that goes obviously into conversations and contracts about
Design and construction and all of that.

2444
05:06:25,880 --> 05:06:25,880
but we've been overwhelmed by the numbers and you guys are breaking them down for us,
Walking us through them.

2445
05:06:33,000 --> 05:06:33,000
and I'm very appreciative. I'm very appreciative that you both put escalation numbers in.

2446
05:06:38,560 --> 05:06:38,560
and we know costs are going to go up, whether it's 5 or 10 or 3 or 1 or when we even
Start.

2447
05:06:44,320 --> 05:06:44,320
so escalation numbers are very important and appreciated.

2448
05:06:49,160 --> 05:06:52,320
and that you also plan for the contingencies. We were just talking about that clearly a necessary part of a contract and one that is in
A city contract that council

2449
05:07:02,100 --> 05:07:02,100
member. Bazaldua and I worked on for the community park at fair park,
There was a contingency provision,

2450
05:07:07,290 --> 05:07:07,290
and then there were all these provisions about how the general contractor could access
Those funds,

2451
05:07:11,970 --> 05:07:15,610
but they had to get approvals from the city and fair park first,
Etc.. So all of this is beginning to like fit into a plan.

2452
05:07:20,170 --> 05:07:20,170
and, and I find that very, very helpful. The historical preservation,
One of you all, one of the two companies referenced

2453
05:07:30,170 --> 05:07:30,170
that did you all visit with experts in historical preservation?

2454
05:07:36,330 --> 05:07:36,330
where did that kind of come from? So the building has not been designated yet.

2455
05:07:40,810 --> 05:07:40,810
that decision lies with this body. And so for the purposes of the scope of this,
They were to estimate without that designation okay.

2456
05:07:48,090 --> 05:07:48,090
it's not official yet. We're in a pre moratorium,
Which only means that we submit the plans to that department for review.

2457
05:07:55,490 --> 05:07:57,850
and I'm sorry, was there a piece that was missing? No,
No. I was just going to say yeah. It was just a consideration that the moratorium is in place.

2458
05:08:01,770 --> 05:08:01,770
we don't we're not carrying dollars currently for historical preservation,
Renovation or related.

2459
05:08:07,130 --> 05:08:07,130
okay. Okay, great. That is good news. That there wouldn't be an escalation cost that
That's that's not a factor right now.

2460
05:08:15,770 --> 05:08:15,770
so let's talk about the federal pacific panels.

2461
05:08:21,410 --> 05:08:21,410
I have a bit of a personal experience. We've had several homes in lake highlands burned
Because of the federal pacific panel,

2462
05:08:28,610 --> 05:08:28,610
the home I live in right now, and I've lived in for about five years and was built in the
70s and burned down in 1999 because of a federal pacific panel.

2463
05:08:38,530 --> 05:08:38,530
so so the home that I live in is, you know, not a 1970s building,
But really a two early 2000 build.

2464
05:08:47,730 --> 05:08:47,730
and subsequent to that or around about the time we bought this house and had that
Realization,

2465
05:08:56,490 --> 05:08:56,490
our daughter and son in law bought a house and it had still had the federal pacific panel
In there.

2466
05:09:01,450 --> 05:09:01,450
and I will just say the, the shared information around the neighborhood is if you have one
Of these panels,

2467
05:09:08,450 --> 05:09:08,450
you need to replace it. So our, our daughter and son in law purchase a home.

2468
05:09:12,810 --> 05:09:16,010
it's still in there. They cannot get insurance. They cannot move in and get insurance until it was replaced.

2469
05:09:20,370 --> 05:09:20,370
so this is not like a an annoying fact that we have 400 of these.

2470
05:09:26,210 --> 05:09:26,210
this is a deeply concerning fact for me. Obviously it's not it's not just a,

2471
05:09:36,210 --> 05:09:39,930
it's a very low chance that we would ever have a problem. There is a pretty significant chance that we would have a problem with one of them.

2472
05:09:45,050 --> 05:09:45,050
and then we're talking about all the life safety issues that come around having a fire.

2473
05:09:50,370 --> 05:09:54,170
so I would prioritize replacing those panels. So I would go, I think with y'all's estimate that had maybe 119 million in for electrical
Because we would need to replace those.

2474
05:10:04,450 --> 05:10:04,450
and that brings me to this phrase. Well, we intended to do that later.

2475
05:10:12,410 --> 05:10:12,410
I won't go into the details of this, but I did have a tour of the southeast service center
Yesterday.

2476
05:10:19,370 --> 05:10:19,370
we intended to do a lot of things later. I know it's not.

2477
05:10:24,890 --> 05:10:27,450
for what purpose? I believe this is not germane. I think that was the same item called on me when I brought up other buildings,
Including the same building I was going to talk about.

2478
05:10:34,410 --> 05:10:34,410
makes perfect sense to me. She's right. I'll stay away from the service center.

2479
05:10:43,810 --> 05:10:43,810
my point being, we really need to turn this this I don't know if it's our.

2480
05:10:52,090 --> 05:10:54,610
I don't know why we do this. I do know why we do this. We have a lot of demands on our budget, but we seriously need to look at.

2481
05:11:01,060 --> 05:11:01,060
making plans that take care of our needs without postponing items that have serious
Consequences.

2482
05:11:11,260 --> 05:11:11,260
I'll leave it there. Let's avoid these very serious consequences,
Which is where we sit today.

2483
05:11:17,780 --> 05:11:17,780
so let's let's take a turn. Let's let's be the council that does it differently.

2484
05:11:25,660 --> 05:11:25,660
we do have a bit of a trend going on, doing things differently and being willing to take
On hard issues.

2485
05:11:32,300 --> 05:11:36,260
so let's keep going with that and let's not postpone. Let's not postpone some of these critical questions and issues.

2486
05:11:40,060 --> 05:11:40,060
thank you. Let me make one comment to address what you're talking about.

2487
05:11:45,660 --> 05:11:45,660
our subcontractor in the electrical business is here all the time.

2488
05:11:50,180 --> 05:11:50,180
and we can bear this out because we had visits with them on status of the equipment,
Etc.

2489
05:11:56,980 --> 05:11:56,980
but he's very confident in the skill of the electrical staff that inhabits this building
And their ability to keep it going,

2490
05:12:05,740 --> 05:12:05,740
and their ability to monitor some of that stuff that doesn't make the issue go away.

2491
05:12:11,140 --> 05:12:11,140
but I will say, it appears to us you've got a very competent staff paying attention to
Those kinds of issues.

2492
05:12:19,820 --> 05:12:23,060
yes, I think we all have an appreciation for lucky. I don't know lucky's full name, but we keep referring to him as gibson.

2493
05:12:28,500 --> 05:12:28,500
thank you, mr. Mayor. Miss blackmon, you recognized for five minutes.

2494
05:12:35,500 --> 05:12:35,500
thank you. So I thank you for the report. I totally get you open a wall and you don't know
What you're going to find.

2495
05:12:42,780 --> 05:12:42,780
and if we decide that it is too expensive. I mean,
We're in this building 50 years.

2496
05:12:47,500 --> 05:12:51,340
we should have been maintaining it all along when we found all this stuff happening. But now it's amortized and it is half $1 billion.

2497
05:12:55,060 --> 05:12:55,060
let's just say that. So we could pay for this and we would have to forego x,
Y, and z.

2498
05:13:01,500 --> 05:13:01,500
I think that the city manager has laid out. But if we leave and rent,
Aren't we still going to have to pay for that somewhere too?

2499
05:13:09,340 --> 05:13:09,340
or is that a free building we're getting? Not a free building,
But that needs to be factored into what the the structure of what that would look like.

2500
05:13:16,100 --> 05:13:16,100
and that's not what's before you right now. I know,
But it will be because we're about to go into exec. So I'm just saying that you cannot,

2501
05:13:22,540 --> 05:13:22,540
no matter what, you're going to have operating expenses. You're not going to live anywhere
For free. Yeah. You won't live anywhere for free, whether it's here or someplace else.

2502
05:13:29,220 --> 05:13:29,220
it's not for free. So there will be some sacrifice or there will be some hit to the
Budget,

2503
05:13:33,740 --> 05:13:33,740
is what I'm saying. Whether we renovate it or we move,
There are no rent, there are no free options.

2504
05:13:42,620 --> 05:13:42,620
and I understand that. So either way, we're going to be hitting the budget.

2505
05:13:47,260 --> 05:13:49,700
it's just a matter of how big the hit is going to be. That is correct depending on what decisions. I just wanted to level that because it made
It sound like if we leave,

2506
05:13:55,390 --> 05:13:55,390
then we could be not hitting the budget, but if we stay,
It's going to be a hit to a bond or budget.

2507
05:14:01,950 --> 05:14:04,910
and I just wanted well, that's not what this group has communicated. That's what. Okay. But I was just you made a comment about what are we going to be
Forgoing on our budget?

2508
05:14:10,350 --> 05:14:13,910
and I just want to say, either way, it's going to be a hit to the budget. That's all I'm saying. We're going to have to pay.

2509
05:14:16,470 --> 05:14:16,470
and this should have been paid over 50 years,
To be quite honest.

2510
05:14:20,510 --> 05:14:23,670
and we now have the bill again on a lot of things. And so unfortunately. So that's really what I was clarifying.

2511
05:14:27,430 --> 05:14:27,430
thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you're recognized for three minutes.

2512
05:14:37,310 --> 05:14:37,310
thank you. The problem with the numbers is that everything is based on a com,
Which I believe have been proven to be incorrect for the roof.

2513
05:14:46,990 --> 05:14:46,990
john, have has the city council been asked to replace the roof and we've said no.

2514
05:14:54,630 --> 05:14:57,990
I don't recall a specific request to this body. So the management has known that the roof should be replaced but never asked the council.

2515
05:15:04,350 --> 05:15:07,750
so I'll let the city manager respond on her behalf. But we do prepare briefings. And I know I've been coming to this dais at least since 2022,
Advocating for additional funding for maintenance of buildings,

2516
05:15:15,270 --> 05:15:15,270
which the city manager gave us the largest increase that we've had from 9 million to 14.5
Million,

2517
05:15:20,070 --> 05:15:20,070
plus 2 million for preventative maintenance,
Which we've never had. So I'll jump in in 2024.

2518
05:15:25,550 --> 05:15:25,550
during the time that I was serving as the interim city manager,
Councilwoman mendelsohn, we brought the first briefing that laid out the whole facility's

2519
05:15:34,950 --> 05:15:37,830
state of good repair, the challenges that we were having. We identified the numbers, we talked about what we're spending every year.

2520
05:15:41,510 --> 05:15:41,510
and we came with a actually, it was two briefings that we did during that time period.

2521
05:15:46,430 --> 05:15:46,430
and what we laid out is the amount of funding that would be needed across all of our
Facilities to be able to start doing more on deferred maintenance.

2522
05:15:55,110 --> 05:15:55,110
and in the budget that we presented, we actually increased the amount,
The line item that we're using now to do deferred maintenance,

2523
05:16:01,630 --> 05:16:01,630
and I think it's already been stated a couple of times previously,
Is that this is not the only building that sits in our portfolio that has needs.

2524
05:16:10,150 --> 05:16:10,150
we have over 541 different city facilities. And I will tell you that every last one of
Those facilities,

2525
05:16:17,070 --> 05:16:17,070
whether we're talking about the ones at fair park,
That in 2023, I think the deferred maintenance needs there was well to the tune of $600

2526
05:16:26,650 --> 05:16:26,650
million. So this is not just an issue at city hall.

2527
05:16:31,190 --> 05:16:31,190
and do you recall what was the dollar amount that you asked to have us increase for
Facilities?

2528
05:16:39,070 --> 05:16:39,070
I think what we included in our recommendation is a ramp up of the deferred maintenance
Line item.

2529
05:16:44,670 --> 05:16:47,630
and I want to say that it was john, you'll have to give me the number. We went from major maintenance of 9 million to 11 million,
And then recently 14.5 million.

2530
05:16:52,670 --> 05:16:52,670
and then in the current budget, we received 2 million new funding,
With a ramp up to next year for 3 million dedicated to preventive maintenance,

2531
05:17:01,230 --> 05:17:01,230
specifically at public safety facilities. And would you believe that dollar amount would
Be sufficient to address our needs?

2532
05:17:08,230 --> 05:17:08,230
now that you hear this about city hall as well as what you now know,
Maybe you didn't know previously about the other facilities.

2533
05:17:19,950 --> 05:17:19,950
if the question is, do we have enough money to do deferred maintenance at all the
Facilities,

2534
05:17:24,030 --> 05:17:26,950
is that the question? Because my answer would be no. This is the dollar amount you are saying you asked for.

2535
05:17:29,950 --> 05:17:29,950
is that number sufficient to do the work that you now know needs to be done?

2536
05:17:34,790 --> 05:17:34,790
in our current budget, for all of the different facilities that are in our portfolio in
The current budget.

2537
05:17:42,310 --> 05:17:42,310
it is not enough money today, nor will it be enough money tomorrow to do repairs or the
Needs that we have across the entire

2538
05:17:51,520 --> 05:17:51,520
portfolio. So that answer is no. What we recommended was a ramp up,
And we included the increases that john just communicated to begin to move

2539
05:18:01,440 --> 05:18:01,440
in that direction to where we could start putting more of that through our general fund
And how we're budgeting to start doing more on deferred maintenance.

2540
05:18:08,280 --> 05:18:08,280
there are some dollars that were included in,
I believe, the 2024 bond program.

2541
05:18:13,960 --> 05:18:13,960
we've actually prioritized a lot of the deferred funding that we have now to begin to do a
Lot of the work at the public safety facilities,

2542
05:18:22,000 --> 05:18:22,000
and we can lay out for the council how we've used the current budget,
The major maintenance fund now,

2543
05:18:28,160 --> 05:18:28,160
and the way we've been doing that work over the last two years since I've been in this
Role. So thank you.

2544
05:18:33,160 --> 05:18:33,160
you have recommended we go from about 9 million a year to 14 plus million a year is 14
Plus million a year sufficient.

2545
05:18:44,760 --> 05:18:44,760
based on the needs across the portfolio, the answer would be no.

2546
05:18:48,960 --> 05:18:48,960
and what would be the number that would be sufficient? Are you aware of that number,
Or would you like to consider it and share it with us later?

2547
05:18:56,520 --> 05:19:00,480
I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm trying to understand what the actual need is. So in the briefing that we presented in 2024,
I think we laid out what the needs are.

2548
05:19:06,080 --> 05:19:06,080
overall. I don't have that briefing in front of me,
But we can definitely pull that back out of that briefing and we can share it.

2549
05:19:11,640 --> 05:19:11,640
I think what we did, we showed the magnitude of what the entire portfolio includes as far
As deferred maintenance needs,

2550
05:19:20,080 --> 05:19:20,080
and we showed you how long it would take us to even get to a point where those facilities
Would be in good repair.

2551
05:19:25,440 --> 05:19:25,440
but let me get the briefing that we presented in june,
I think it was june of 2024, and we'll get that back out to council.

2552
05:19:31,360 --> 05:19:31,360
so as I've made clear many times, I'm very opposed to doing maintenance with with debt,
With bond dollars.

2553
05:19:37,120 --> 05:19:37,120
that's a terrible way to run a budget. But we do have federal funds,
Cdbg funds that are just sitting there.

2554
05:19:44,560 --> 05:19:44,560
we do have arpa funds that were designated for this,
And we should be budgeting appropriately,

2555
05:19:51,280 --> 05:19:51,280
which to me means being able to keep all of our buildings in a state of good repair.

2556
05:19:56,440 --> 05:19:56,440
and that's what I would like to see happen. I don't believe I've ever been asked for any
Maintenance item as a council member,

2557
05:20:04,360 --> 05:20:04,360
and we've said no in seven years. I've never seen it happen where the management has come
To us and said,

2558
05:20:10,200 --> 05:20:14,120
we need this money to get this done. And the council's voted no. It just hasn't happened in seven years and we are not in a position.

2559
05:20:19,840 --> 05:20:19,840
it's not even really our job to know what the deferred maintenance needs are.

2560
05:20:24,240 --> 05:20:24,240
we're a policy body and so we count on you to do that work.

2561
05:20:30,280 --> 05:20:30,280
I'm just going to say that there are businesses all over the city that have a ceo and make
A repair,

2562
05:20:36,480 --> 05:20:36,480
and they do not have to modify to the current code.

2563
05:20:41,050 --> 05:20:44,410
that's not an exemption. That's not an exception. That is just the way you do business. That is how our code is written.

2564
05:20:48,010 --> 05:20:48,010
the stemmons building did not have a ceo and that is the big difference.

2565
05:20:52,490 --> 05:20:52,490
there is a serious lack of code compliance, modern code compliance in all of our buildings
Across the city.

2566
05:20:58,970 --> 05:20:58,970
I do believe you council member gracey when you say you don't want to keep debating the
Numbers,

2567
05:21:03,410 --> 05:21:03,410
that's because the numbers are faulty. What is the schedule for all of this?

2568
05:21:10,530 --> 05:21:10,530
I will just say I. Let me ask this question. When we talk about a wire or a vent and
Counting square footage

2569
05:21:20,530 --> 05:21:20,530
to get to this 50%, does a wire then include any square footage?

2570
05:21:25,650 --> 05:21:29,330
does event include square footage? And that will have to be it for this round. Okay. Thank you. Oh, sorry. I do have to answer that question.

2571
05:21:35,490 --> 05:21:38,170
yes. Sorry. You've talked about the venting running across. Yeah, he gets to answer that question. And then we got to move on. Okay,
Okay. Yes. So any component of the building that we are,

2572
05:21:46,290 --> 05:21:46,290
that we are touching as a part of the program that triggers any sort of repair otherwise
Is counted into the total square footage when it comes to

2573
05:21:56,250 --> 05:21:56,250
triggering code. So at this point in time, our work is going to span more than 51% of the
Facility,

2574
05:22:02,890 --> 05:22:02,890
which triggers the building code and related components.

2575
05:22:07,290 --> 05:22:07,290
let me let me make a quick comment. All of these code triggers in the items that we're
Talking about and toss smoke

2576
05:22:16,410 --> 05:22:16,410
evacuation. We don't just wake up one morning and go,
Okay, we're going to evacuate the the atrium.

2577
05:22:25,690 --> 05:22:25,690
we're already sitting down talking to the fire marshal,
Having conversations with them, sitting down

2578
05:22:35,570 --> 05:22:35,570
with the building services group and have a discussion with them and say,
This is what we're planning on doing.

2579
05:22:43,130 --> 05:22:43,130
and when we're doing it, how much we're thinking about spending.

2580
05:22:47,170 --> 05:22:47,170
help us figure out at what point it triggers code.

2581
05:22:51,650 --> 05:22:51,650
is there a is there an interpreter? There's a lot of gray area in there that you deal
With.

2582
05:22:57,850 --> 05:22:57,850
so we don't make that decision in a vacuum. We sit down with city staff and the people
That actually enforce it and have a productive conversation on how to

2583
05:23:07,290 --> 05:23:07,290
interpret those triggers before we do anything.

2584
05:23:12,570 --> 05:23:14,930
this is not actually what my question was. Okay. Well, I'm sorry that that didn't answer it, but you'll have to ask them again in the next
Round. That's that's how that works. You know that. Mr..

2585
05:23:21,090 --> 05:23:23,970
you usually you allow the question to actually be answered. No, I can't I don't police the answers that we get to questions.

2586
05:23:26,730 --> 05:23:28,890
I've never done that. Let's be real. Come on,
Mr. Resendez, you recognize for five minutes. Thank you,
Mr.

2587
05:23:31,410 --> 05:23:31,410
mayor. And thank you all for the presentation. I think that our colleague brought up a
Really important point that we need to focus on,

2588
05:23:38,290 --> 05:23:38,290
and I think it'd be helpful for the public. I know it would certainly be helpful for me to
Get y'all's response to the statement saying that the numbers in y'all's cost estimates

2589
05:23:48,130 --> 05:23:48,130
are faulty. I'm sorry, can you repeat the question,
Please?

2590
05:23:54,770 --> 05:23:54,770
I'd like y'all's response to the comment that y'all's cost estimates are faulty.

2591
05:23:59,090 --> 05:24:01,890
I think it's important for the public to hear y'all's response. I know it it'd be helpful for me. So I would like to say that on behalf of the numbers
That our team assembled,

2592
05:24:08,090 --> 05:24:08,090
based on the information provided, based on current market conditions,
Our market expertise,

2593
05:24:13,090 --> 05:24:13,090
and all the information provided to us, we believe that our numbers are directionally
Correct.

2594
05:24:18,090 --> 05:24:18,090
set of numbers to help the city council make decisions on the future program within this
Facility.

2595
05:24:24,010 --> 05:24:24,010
anybody else? Please, please. I would give you the same answer,
But I would also respond when somebody says that.

2596
05:24:30,370 --> 05:24:30,370
what numbers do you think are faulty. Tell me where you think we're wrong.

2597
05:24:35,540 --> 05:24:35,540
provide the backup and we'll sit down and talk about it.

2598
05:24:40,380 --> 05:24:40,380
I mean, it's hard to refute an argument when you really don't understand what the
Argument.

2599
05:24:45,420 --> 05:24:48,620
look, I totally understand why people look at this number. And it's a big number. It's bigger than I thought it was when we accepted this assignment.

2600
05:24:54,900 --> 05:24:54,900
but the more you dig into it you realize it's there now.

2601
05:24:59,140 --> 05:24:59,140
there are other cuts at this number that will occur when you get into more detail.

2602
05:25:03,420 --> 05:25:03,420
but when somebody says that my comment is, so what's faulty?

2603
05:25:08,340 --> 05:25:08,340
let me understand. And how did you come with that conclusion and then address it on an
Issue by issue basis instead of a just a general man.

2604
05:25:16,860 --> 05:25:16,860
I think that's high. Anyway, that's my response.

2605
05:25:21,020 --> 05:25:21,020
until the project is fully designed and documented,
You'll not be able to receive an exact bid number,

2606
05:25:30,260 --> 05:25:30,260
which is why everything included to this date is a preliminary estimate for your planning
And cost estimation.

2607
05:25:38,940 --> 05:25:38,940
if I may, when I saw the 15% contingency number getting into that $90 million plus range
In,

2608
05:25:45,660 --> 05:25:45,660
the estimate we put together seemed like a lot of money,
But the previous estimate that was put together had a potential 50% increase in the

2609
05:25:55,020 --> 05:25:55,020
numbers. They put forward. That 15% contingency that we added to the budget was based on
Subcontractor input.

2610
05:26:03,380 --> 05:26:03,380
so we're not just using historical cost data for buildings of this type or this age.

2611
05:26:08,980 --> 05:26:08,980
we had subs that gave us numbers, and we used all of that information to compile the bid
And then added the 15% contingency based

2612
05:26:18,980 --> 05:26:18,980
on what we think the reliability, the numbers are that we put in our proposal to you.

2613
05:26:25,500 --> 05:26:25,500
okay. So I mean, I guess there's members of this body who expect us to trust the folks who
Have no experience around this horseshoe,

2614
05:26:34,500 --> 05:26:34,500
dealing with the things that you all deal with,
Or some random members of the public.

2615
05:26:39,860 --> 05:26:39,860
and that's not that's a rhetorical question you don't have to answer. But I do think
Rightfully so.

2616
05:26:45,140 --> 05:26:45,140
anybody that has the position of saving city hall at all costs is reeling based on this
Presentation.

2617
05:26:54,220 --> 05:26:54,220
I want to start on page 60 staff's estimate was between 152 million and 345 million.

2618
05:27:04,860 --> 05:27:04,860
estimate was 329.4 million. After additional review by independent experts,
The projected costs have only increased,

2619
05:27:14,420 --> 05:27:14,420
with one of the latest estimates now reaching 610.8 million.

2620
05:27:18,940 --> 05:27:22,580
please stop me if I'm incorrect at any point. Now we turn to the first line on page 63. And if I'm reading this correctly,
These figures take financing costs into account.

2621
05:27:33,310 --> 05:27:33,310
the idc's estimate ranged from approximately 793 million to 953 million.

2622
05:27:40,750 --> 05:27:40,750
with the latest construction cost estimates,
It's no surprise that the financing costs have also increased dramatically,

2623
05:27:47,630 --> 05:27:47,630
ballooning to as much as 1.3 billion. And again,
Please, if I'm reading it incorrectly, let me know.

2624
05:28:00,830 --> 05:28:00,830
council member council member. Depending on the scenario,
I think you're a little bit light.

2625
05:28:05,430 --> 05:28:05,430
the aggregate range here is up to $1.5 billion in total costs.

2626
05:28:10,390 --> 05:28:12,990
right. And I was just focusing on the line one. Yes. Without taking into account flex space. Yes,
You are correct.

2627
05:28:16,270 --> 05:28:16,270
yeah. Financing. Yeah. Sorry about that. I should have been more clear. So.

2628
05:28:22,550 --> 05:28:22,550
I think that there are people around this horseshoe and members of the public who owe
Staff a.

2629
05:28:28,510 --> 05:28:28,510
and the edc a public apology. They've been vindicated.

2630
05:28:33,710 --> 05:28:33,710
their estimates were credible. In fact, if anything,
The criticism.

2631
05:28:39,030 --> 05:28:39,030
criticism may have been misplaced in the opposite direction because the subsequent
Analysis suggests that their estimates may actually have been conservative.

2632
05:28:48,510 --> 05:28:52,190
again, anybody? Please stop me if I'm incorrect. It's just math. It's logic. So I think that this presentation perfectly illustrates the
Flaws in the safe city hall at all cost approach.

2633
05:29:02,630 --> 05:29:02,630
with each discussion, the conspiracy theories surrounding this issue lose more and more
Credibility,

2634
05:29:08,790 --> 05:29:08,790
even for those who strongly prefer preserving city hall on the merits,
It becomes increasingly difficult to justify to the city's taxpayers when faced with the

2635
05:29:18,750 --> 05:29:18,750
financial realities presented today. Finally,
I think many people involved in this debate are speaking with a level of certainty that's

2636
05:29:27,110 --> 05:29:27,110
not supported by the facts. This is a highly technical matter,
And we owe it to the taxpayers to make decisions grounded in facts and professional

2637
05:29:36,430 --> 05:29:39,750
analysis, rather than speculation or emotion. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Cadena, you're recognized for five minutes.

2638
05:29:50,790 --> 05:29:50,790
thank you, mr. Mayor. So my father is actually an electrician,
And I've had a tool belt since I was probably five years old.

2639
05:29:58,830 --> 05:29:58,830
so I can understand when you start working on a building,
You may have more work that you uncover.

2640
05:30:05,750 --> 05:30:05,750
but I have a couple of questions. So I noticed in the mch portion on page,
Let's see.

2641
05:30:19,990 --> 05:30:19,990
I think it was page 30. So we renovated that in 2017 and we actually bought furniture
Twice because the original furniture,

2642
05:30:29,190 --> 05:30:29,190
when we moved in, it wasn't the proper size. And then we ended up getting more staff.

2643
05:30:34,030 --> 05:30:34,030
so I know that there's probably still some things that need to be fixed in that area.

2644
05:30:39,150 --> 05:30:39,150
so did y'all take into account the work that had already been done in 2017?

2645
05:30:46,270 --> 05:30:49,470
so I would say with the numbers that are shown here. So I just want to clarify again in our numbers that we're carrying here,
We're not including any owner furnished items like furniture,

2646
05:30:56,830 --> 05:30:56,830
technology, av, etc. As a part of that. So anything that was done as a part of that is not
In our number now in these areas,

2647
05:31:04,430 --> 05:31:04,430
work that has an impact from electrical, hvac or related replacement,
Which there will be,

2648
05:31:11,670 --> 05:31:11,670
you know, removal of flooring and ceiling potentially in some areas would have to be
Rebuilt back.

2649
05:31:17,350 --> 05:31:17,350
we did consider some of the work done to the electrical panel or to the switch room in
2018.

2650
05:31:23,240 --> 05:31:23,240
as a part of this, and some of the other elements that were provided to us as far as
Previous work samples in the a aecom report.

2651
05:31:29,800 --> 05:31:29,800
okay. Yeah. Because I remember after they did the renovation,
We ended up having a lot of due and other issues.

2652
05:31:36,520 --> 05:31:36,520
and so they had to make some adjustments to the hvac system at that time.

2653
05:31:41,920 --> 05:31:41,920
and then when y'all were, did the estimates,
Did y'all actually walk the building as well?

2654
05:31:46,600 --> 05:31:50,600
or was it a lot of it by photos and the reports that were already done? So go ahead. I couldn't understand you. Did y'all walk the building with some of the items
That are listed on here,

2655
05:31:59,760 --> 05:31:59,760
as well as relay on the reports? Yes. I mean,
Yeah, we walked around and then sometimes when we had a question,

2656
05:32:07,880 --> 05:32:11,240
we would come back and look at it again. Okay,
Great. And then my other question is I know in the resolution we also mentioned the demolition of
The building.

2657
05:32:18,160 --> 05:32:18,160
when will we get an estimate of that? Because I'm hearing that this type of building
There.

2658
05:32:22,880 --> 05:32:22,880
it hasn't. We haven't really had a demolition of a building like this.

2659
05:32:27,080 --> 05:32:27,080
so just wondering what the cost might be, how many trucks it might include and when we
Might get that estimate.

2660
05:32:32,640 --> 05:32:32,640
don't have it today. That's something that we're working toward. Thank you for the
Question. We're working toward it. Do you have a timeline? I do not, because that's not a

2661
05:32:39,560 --> 05:32:42,920
contract that we actually had already on board. The contract that we have on board to do demolition is through the code compliance
Department and not necessarily for this building,

2662
05:32:49,080 --> 05:32:52,240
but we've heard that request and we're working on it as fast as we can. Okay. Thank you. Chairman johnson, you're recognized for five minutes.

2663
05:32:59,720 --> 05:32:59,720
thank you, mr. Mayor. Let's look at slide 60.

2664
05:33:13,120 --> 05:33:13,120
I'm gonna let staff said 152 million to 345 million,
A com said 329 million for.

2665
05:33:20,960 --> 05:33:20,960
gresham said 531.6. Gresham 2556.8. The number keeps going up.

2666
05:33:28,400 --> 05:33:28,400
what I'm looking at 591.2, I believe, is mr. Will and 610 610 million,
I mean, six, 10.8 million

2667
05:33:38,240 --> 05:33:38,240
over a ten year period when I go down to 62. I'm sorry.

2668
05:33:44,240 --> 05:33:44,240
slide 63. The total occupancy cost for 20 years.

2669
05:33:51,160 --> 05:33:51,160
I don't see it on the bottom line. I don't see nothing less than $1.3 million.

2670
05:33:56,040 --> 05:33:56,040
is that correct? That is correct. So is it going so to fix city hall,
Hold

2671
05:34:05,800 --> 05:34:05,800
turnkey modernization, everything. We're still at one over $1 billion.

2672
05:34:14,720 --> 05:34:14,720
yes, sir. That's correct. None of the new scenarios revealed any material difference in
Cost savings based on

2673
05:34:24,720 --> 05:34:24,720
the capex. And then it's just math from there in terms of the interest expense and what it
Costs to operate this building.

2674
05:34:30,880 --> 05:34:30,880
so fairly straightforward inputs to build upon from w,
M and gresham smith.

2675
05:34:36,800 --> 05:34:36,800
does that also include l3? L3 is a part of city hall.

2676
05:34:41,680 --> 05:34:41,680
one of our estimates. Speaking for the previous edc team or from this team addressed or
Have a cost for l3.

2677
05:34:49,240 --> 05:34:49,240
does it also include the unforeseen sites like asbestos and all the other things that we
Don't see until we get in there? Well,

2678
05:34:54,840 --> 05:34:54,840
there are estimates. And again, speaking holistically for the team here,
There, my understanding the methodology is that they've addressed all known conditions,

2679
05:35:02,400 --> 05:35:02,400
but there are a host of unknown conditions that are not costed that could be potentially
Addressed by contingency dollars,

2680
05:35:08,720 --> 05:35:08,720
but also could be grossly insufficient in terms of carrying the right contingency because
Of the magnitude of the unknowns.

2681
05:35:15,610 --> 05:35:15,610
but we do know based off these numbers from different outside independent studies,
That we have shown that this is

2682
05:35:25,450 --> 05:35:25,450
not a half $1 million. This is literally one over $1 billion worth of real work.

2683
05:35:30,450 --> 05:35:30,450
if we're going to do this and save city hall and fix this building the right way.

2684
05:35:34,690 --> 05:35:37,850
I'm asking you again, is that correct? I believe that's correct. I mean, capex is what it is. But owning and operating this over the defined period is a
Math exercise.

2685
05:35:46,010 --> 05:35:46,010
and it's fairly straightforward in terms of the interest calculations and operating
Expenses over a,

2686
05:35:52,210 --> 05:35:52,210
you know, based on what you all spend today. So I believe the answer is yes,
Sir.

2687
05:35:56,770 --> 05:35:56,770
okay. If I've heard electrical systems beyond life repair,
120 million I've heard more patchwork done to the

2688
05:36:06,410 --> 05:36:06,410
roof. I've also heard, that the majority of our pipes are beyond life expectancy.

2689
05:36:14,730 --> 05:36:14,730
things that I've said that we will probably find based on my experience doing this on the
School board.

2690
05:36:19,370 --> 05:36:19,370
so I got a question for the city manager. We just realized that the fix city hall and save
City hall the correct way is going to cost over $1 billion.

2691
05:36:28,730 --> 05:36:28,730
we do know that these are the real numbers. If that's the case,
City manager, can we still get our police

2692
05:36:38,610 --> 05:36:38,610
academy? If we go ahead and get this done, can we still get the things that was promised
To our communities and our in all of our districts?

2693
05:36:45,330 --> 05:36:45,330
what would we still be able to run city hall and the city efficiently if we go ahead and
Take care of this big globe and,

2694
05:36:53,170 --> 05:36:55,690
and get the get the things done with this kind of money. What will we lose? Will we still have those promises that was made to our city,
Our city,

2695
05:37:00,850 --> 05:37:00,850
and everyone else? Can we get that? Let's start with the police academy that we're all
Excited about.

2696
05:37:06,810 --> 05:37:10,370
thank you so much for the question, councilmember johnson. A few weeks ago, we came and brought what I think was requested a comprehensive briefing
That showed now where we are on debt because that

2697
05:37:20,330 --> 05:37:22,930
was requested. And so we showed you the current debt. We also gave you an overview of all of the projects that are currently in the 2024 bond
Program.

2698
05:37:31,010 --> 05:37:31,010
and then we also came and we spoke with you about where we are with our current budget for
This year and the budget planning for the upcoming year.

2699
05:37:39,330 --> 05:37:39,330
and so my answer would be all of those pieces definitely have to come together the right
Way.

2700
05:37:46,450 --> 05:37:46,450
if we were to if the council's decision was to issue debt,
You definitely have a limitation on the amount of debt

2701
05:37:56,450 --> 05:37:56,450
that you can issue per year. And so we would then have to decide then what we do and what
We do not do.

2702
05:38:04,290 --> 05:38:04,290
that's just the reality of the way that we would have to work through this.

2703
05:38:08,740 --> 05:38:08,740
I know that we are coming back to the city council to talk about the the public safety,
The new training academy.

2704
05:38:17,140 --> 05:38:17,140
we've presented you with some draft numbers. I know the team is still working through
That,

2705
05:38:21,620 --> 05:38:21,620
and we did show you that even with the fundraising that is currently underway,
That we still need to think about,

2706
05:38:30,140 --> 05:38:30,140
how do we close the gap, even on what we've committed to on the public safety side of
This?

2707
05:38:35,660 --> 05:38:35,660
so those are all variables. And what I can tell you is that if it's a full load on just
The general fund,

2708
05:38:44,940 --> 05:38:44,940
and we know that we're already looking at ways to continue with certain services,
We know that there are concerns about whether we cut libraries and park and rec.

2709
05:38:53,460 --> 05:38:53,460
these are all the things that we hear about,
Whether it's from the speakers or when we come out to the community and we're talking to

2710
05:38:58,500 --> 05:38:58,500
the residents. And I will just tell you, nobody wants to cut anything,
But we will not have the the the liberty

2711
05:39:08,500 --> 05:39:08,500
to do it all. And there will be no impacts, there will be impacts.

2712
05:39:13,140 --> 05:39:13,140
and we'll have to be able to get council's guidance on then what you want us to do or not
Do.

2713
05:39:19,460 --> 05:39:19,460
so that's a long answer. But the real answer is that it is,
It is not a, a path that is one

2714
05:39:29,420 --> 05:39:29,420
that will not require us making some very difficult and some very hard decisions about how
We continue to operate service

2715
05:39:39,180 --> 05:39:39,180
level staffing and what's a priority. And I know that sometimes everything is a priority.

2716
05:39:46,260 --> 05:39:46,260
which makes things often very difficult for us,
But we've already laid out the things that are already happening,

2717
05:39:51,900 --> 05:39:55,220
whether we're talking about just the overall cost. We've talked about health insurance, we've talked about the,
The requirements that we have.

2718
05:39:59,700 --> 05:39:59,700
we have regulatory requirements. We have pay requirements.

2719
05:40:03,820 --> 05:40:07,540
so there's a lot of things that we know that we're already trying to address. And we also had our residents tell us what was priority.

2720
05:40:11,220 --> 05:40:11,220
and so bringing all that together is not an easy task,
But it will not be because we have an unlimited budget,

2721
05:40:18,740 --> 05:40:18,740
we have resource constraints. And that is happening all around us.

2722
05:40:22,980 --> 05:40:22,980
and as we've talked about, whether it's our property tax cap,
Whether it's what's happening right now in sales tax,

2723
05:40:28,980 --> 05:40:28,980
all of those things get factored in. And I will just close by stating,
As I've said again,

2724
05:40:33,380 --> 05:40:33,380
anything that we do, we either have to have cash or we go use the credit card.

2725
05:40:37,740 --> 05:40:37,740
and I think there was a comment made about using cdbg and cdbg funding for maintenance
That is not allowed unless it's

2726
05:40:47,820 --> 05:40:47,820
focused on ada. We can't take cdbg dollars and go fix the electrical panels at city hall.

2727
05:40:53,460 --> 05:40:53,460
so thank you for the question. I hope I answered it,
And I know that was a long answer. Yes,

2728
05:40:59,660 --> 05:41:03,300
it does the electrical system, I think, mr. Wills said. Beyond life repair. I think he was at 120 million.

2729
05:41:06,860 --> 05:41:06,860
everyone was else at 60 million. I also heard mr.

2730
05:41:14,220 --> 05:41:18,140
will say that this was bigger than what he thought it was when he first started. So I'm looking at the engineering experts, and I want to thank you guys for doing,
Doing your job.

2731
05:41:27,340 --> 05:41:30,540
we may not like the numbers, but the reality is the reality. So I want to appreciate you and your expertise.

2732
05:41:34,220 --> 05:41:34,220
I want to thank you, city manager. You've done what this council asked you to do.

2733
05:41:38,380 --> 05:41:41,780
you went and got outside independent studies. The staff came back and repeat with the smallest amount.

2734
05:41:46,140 --> 05:41:46,140
accomm repair was 329. Experts said.

2735
05:41:50,420 --> 05:41:50,420
531.655556.8591.2. Ten year

2736
05:41:59,990 --> 05:41:59,990
phase six 10.8. When we look at the numbers. We're way over

2737
05:42:09,110 --> 05:42:09,110
$1 billion. Thank you. Council member resendez for your statement.

2738
05:42:19,630 --> 05:42:19,630
I cannot say these numbers are faulty. I will not say these numbers are faulty.

2739
05:42:23,710 --> 05:42:23,710
I will say they are extremely high. But I will also say I knew they would be based off the
Work we did as a school board trustee.

2740
05:42:33,870 --> 05:42:33,870
south oak cliff high school, john lewis, social justice academy I brought over $400
Million to one district because of these same deplorable conditions,

2741
05:42:43,350 --> 05:42:43,350
and this building is a lot bigger than the schools that I did and working with our
Community.

2742
05:42:52,030 --> 05:42:52,030
so my experience led me to understand what this would be,
But to have these raw numbers for our citizens to really hear is not faulty.

2743
05:43:01,990 --> 05:43:05,470
it's a reality. Now I know which direction we may need to go. Thank you so much, deputy mayor pro tem, you recognize for five minutes.

2744
05:43:11,030 --> 05:43:11,030
thank you so much, mayor. You know, hearing that our stairwells function as a chimney in a
Fire and knowing that that's our fire evacuation plan.

2745
05:43:22,030 --> 05:43:22,030
and the smoke inhalation, the threat of all of that,
It just that that should give us all pause.

2746
05:43:27,710 --> 05:43:27,710
and remember, a couple of weeks ago, I hearkened us back to nursery rhymes with this is
The church and this is the steeple.

2747
05:43:34,070 --> 05:43:34,070
open the doors and see all the people. And again,
We need to come off of the page and think about the people who work here and the people

2748
05:43:42,310 --> 05:43:42,310
who come here to interact with us and and come to their people's house.

2749
05:43:48,710 --> 05:43:48,710
no matter what, construction is disruption. So when we talk about a plan,
Whether it's six years or ten years,

2750
05:43:54,030 --> 05:43:57,790
it's its disruption for our staff and for the public that comes here. So I, you know, bless you for the way you've mapped it all out,
But it's still a lot.

2751
05:44:03,190 --> 05:44:03,190
and thank you for at the head of this establishing the credibility.

2752
05:44:07,590 --> 05:44:07,590
I mean, nobody here knows more than you all do your experts on this in your fields,
You have lots of experience and you're in touch with current market conditions.

2753
05:44:17,470 --> 05:44:20,870
and we just can't ignore that or dismiss that. So thank you. I appreciated learning about how you all worked independently.

2754
05:44:24,470 --> 05:44:24,470
then you'd come together and compare and work independently on construction,
And then on the phasing or the cost and the phasing and how that matched up,

2755
05:44:33,350 --> 05:44:33,350
so that you were pressure testing yourselves and could come to us with something that we
Need to now start relying on and counting on.

2756
05:44:40,590 --> 05:44:40,590
so one question I had was on page 34, where we're talking about the money,
Because this has to be paid for somehow.

2757
05:44:46,670 --> 05:44:46,670
is that on the cash flow plan, whether it's six years or ten years,
That upfront is a lot of money.

2758
05:44:53,120 --> 05:44:53,120
it's all front end loaded. And so and then we're not even talking about the modernization.

2759
05:44:58,880 --> 05:45:02,840
and I'm trying to understand how I mean, some people just want to slap more band-aids on. Well, that's what got us here. So no, I'm I'm not for that ever.

2760
05:45:06,840 --> 05:45:10,760
and so you have to work in the modernization portion of this. So is that included in this phasing. I mean,
How does that how does that mesh the modernization numbers.

2761
05:45:19,040 --> 05:45:19,040
because these programs, these four scenarios deliver you a warm lit shell.

2762
05:45:23,960 --> 05:45:23,960
it's not an occupiable building. So we took the same application and methodology and
Benchmarked it to our global database and our local

2763
05:45:33,960 --> 05:45:33,960
database and our regional database for construction,
Cost of office fit outs.

2764
05:45:39,400 --> 05:45:39,400
those would begin as you fix each phase. But effectively,
These are, those numbers are not in this slide.

2765
05:45:48,280 --> 05:45:48,280
but they would add to this slide. I'm not even talking about the numbers per se,
Of what the cost is.

2766
05:45:53,080 --> 05:45:53,080
I'm talking about when you're in walls or you're in restrooms or you're in offices and
That sort of thing.

2767
05:46:00,120 --> 05:46:00,120
how does the modernization piece work in tandem or in harmony,
Hopefully, with that sort of thing.

2768
05:46:05,840 --> 05:46:05,840
and if something may not be disrupted in the repair part.

2769
05:46:11,000 --> 05:46:11,000
miss geryk mentioned the, the moving walls and that sort of thing.

2770
05:46:15,040 --> 05:46:15,040
maybe something gets disrupted there. And I'm just feeling like even in these numbers,
That's not accounted for.

2771
05:46:21,160 --> 05:46:21,160
well, I agree with your, your line of thinking that there's a tremendous amount of risk in
Integration for the level of this for this level of contracting.

2772
05:46:29,680 --> 05:46:29,680
I would just suggest that there may need to be multiple contractors and integrating
Multiple contractors because they all have different specializations.

2773
05:46:36,760 --> 05:46:36,760
you may have one gc, but this very much depends on how you let this contract and the
Phasing in each block of the building.

2774
05:46:44,280 --> 05:46:44,280
so the difficulty is high and I think that's why the contingency allocations are what they
Are,

2775
05:46:50,560 --> 05:46:53,040
but the difficulty is very high to integrate. Well, I think your contingency on the modernization was something like 28 million or I
Mean,

2776
05:46:57,440 --> 05:47:00,720
across. Yeah. We applied a 5% number on all of the modernization. So that may be very, very low. Previously, we had a slightly higher number,
But that's just on the modernization,

2777
05:47:06,920 --> 05:47:06,920
the f and e and the audiovisual and other technology components.

2778
05:47:12,400 --> 05:47:12,400
so that may be low. That's just the methodology we applied in the edc budget and we wanted
To show it apples to apples.

2779
05:47:19,920 --> 05:47:19,920
well, as some colleagues have called out about these numbers and,
You know, they're just going up,

2780
05:47:25,000 --> 05:47:25,000
is that now we're talking about we don't even really know how the modernization portion
Would work and how one thing might trigger another thing because you're talking about,

2781
05:47:33,280 --> 05:47:33,280
you know, these distinctions amongst subcontractors who are,
You know, doing their own channel,

2782
05:47:38,680 --> 05:47:38,680
but they've got to come together. And that just makes me look at this and think it could
Just go higher.

2783
05:47:43,520 --> 05:47:43,520
and if you're talking about a 5% contingency and they're talking about a 15% contingency.

2784
05:47:47,600 --> 05:47:47,600
and we're still talking about moving walls. I don't know how you move these,
But, well, this is why the edc team recommended you vacate the building.

2785
05:47:56,720 --> 05:47:56,720
excellent point. So I think one of the most important phrases in this whole deck with all
The numbers and

2786
05:48:06,640 --> 05:48:06,640
all the work you've done, actually comes back to page ten and it talks about maximize the
Use of taxpayer dollars.

2787
05:48:15,560 --> 05:48:15,560
and I look at this building and it's just how far gone it has gotten.

2788
05:48:19,760 --> 05:48:19,760
and that is really unfortunate that that happened through the decades.

2789
05:48:24,360 --> 05:48:24,360
but maximizing the use of taxpayer dollars is what this is about.

2790
05:48:28,800 --> 05:48:31,000
in fact, that's our fiduciary responsibility. So, you know, I see that. And to me, it's no longer save city hall.

2791
05:48:37,000 --> 05:48:37,000
it's save our city. It's been a hard week. We've had a lot of news this week.

2792
05:48:42,480 --> 05:48:42,480
and I think we need to not only hear from our experts,
But we need to listen to our experts.

2793
05:48:49,410 --> 05:48:49,410
these numbers only seem to be going up every layer that we add at taxpayer expense.

2794
05:48:54,210 --> 05:48:54,210
more experts are coming in, digging deeper. We're not taking away.

2795
05:48:58,890 --> 05:49:01,850
we're adding to. I mean, the number is going up. And so I think we need to hear that and we need to make a leadership decision.

2796
05:49:08,530 --> 05:49:08,530
but thank you all for your work. Mr. Bazaldua,
You recognized for five minutes.

2797
05:49:14,730 --> 05:49:14,730
thank you. Mayor. I'll just piggyback on on some of the comments that were just made
Because I agree that this is a large number.

2798
05:49:23,690 --> 05:49:23,690
and I want to thank you all for giving us a more refined estimate.

2799
05:49:28,490 --> 05:49:28,490
I do want to go into that. But first, I would just say that the,
The notion that the number is so high and we should throw our hands up and reward

2800
05:49:37,850 --> 05:49:37,850
ourselves with something new and shiny because we've done such a great job at proving
Ourselves to the taxpayers that will take care of it to me is really baffling.

2801
05:49:47,490 --> 05:49:47,490
it's like a teenager who was given a nice car and has constantly wrecked it and not
Maintained it and not taken it for.

2802
05:49:54,770 --> 05:49:54,770
it's it's tune ups. But you know what? We're just going to go ahead and buy you a new
Mercedes benz.

2803
05:50:01,050 --> 05:50:01,050
that's responsibility. That's fiscal responsibility. That's the message that we're
Supposed to be sending our taxpayers not really getting it.

2804
05:50:10,250 --> 05:50:10,250
I'd love to hear y'all's comments on the historic preservation designation.

2805
05:50:17,570 --> 05:50:17,570
and since it's currently under review and could affect the facade,
The lobby, the council chambers scope,

2806
05:50:24,930 --> 05:50:28,810
what is the status of that review and who is conducting it? I think, john, you probably would have that answer,
But also will that outcome be presented to council before any final repair option is meant

2807
05:50:36,970 --> 05:50:36,970
for us to be selecting, given that it could both constrain the scope and also potentially
Unlock pretty substantial preservation funding.

2808
05:50:45,770 --> 05:50:45,770
sure. So if I miss a piece, let me know. But their scope did not include the historic
Preservation piece because as I mentioned previously,

2809
05:50:51,770 --> 05:50:51,770
this body has not made that designation yet. So we would then be tasking them with
Additional billable hours to do something that may or may not occur when this body is the

2810
05:51:00,530 --> 05:51:00,530
one that ultimately has the decision. Should you decide to move forward with a historic
Preservation,

2811
05:51:05,250 --> 05:51:05,250
these numbers would only increase dramatically,
As would the time, because it would require for an additional review period,

2812
05:51:11,490 --> 05:51:15,010
plus specialized materials and specialized consultants to do the work. Sure. Yeah. And when was that initiated? I don't have the date with me.

2813
05:51:19,970 --> 05:51:22,370
I apologize, but it was within the last two years. It was almost two years ago. And do you know typically how long we take up once initiated?

2814
05:51:29,690 --> 05:51:29,690
I do not know because it seems like it's been kind of slow rolled,
And we haven't been able to get that information that I think would be very helpful for

2815
05:51:36,250 --> 05:51:36,250
this conversation. I I would like to say that this is this is to me is just it's not a
Debate about whether we love an

2816
05:51:46,060 --> 05:51:46,060
old building. This isn't a debate whether dallas is this is a debate whether dallas has
Done right by our taxpayers whether we keep our

2817
05:51:56,020 --> 05:51:56,020
word, protect its assets and from a process designed to make predetermined outcome look
Inevitable.

2818
05:52:04,620 --> 05:52:04,620
that's ultimately where my scrutiny lies. The original headline was constructed to make
Repair look impossible.

2819
05:52:13,900 --> 05:52:13,900
it wasn't. I'm not going to go as far as, say,
The, the, the numbers were faulty, but they were absolutely intentional.

2820
05:52:21,020 --> 05:52:21,020
the 906 to 1.14 billion figure was not a repair cost.

2821
05:52:25,940 --> 05:52:25,940
it was a 20 year total occupancy scenario that bundled corrective repairs with full
Building vacation,

2822
05:52:31,940 --> 05:52:31,940
complete interior modernization, furniture technology,
And two decades of financing interest,

2823
05:52:38,380 --> 05:52:38,380
then presented it as though all of those were unavoidable engineering requirements.

2824
05:52:45,140 --> 05:52:45,140
two independent firms engaged separately now with no connection to aecom,
Have confirmed that the building can stay partially occupied during construction.

2825
05:52:55,100 --> 05:52:55,100
that swing space cost drops over 60%. That a four phased repair option is feasible,
And the number was definitely inflated by

2826
05:53:05,060 --> 05:53:05,060
assumption, not by building condition. So to put out a false narrative that the scrutiny
Has been unfair is just

2827
05:53:14,540 --> 05:53:14,540
false. The scrutiny was needed. The taxpayers deserve it and we aren't going to accept a
Predetermined outcome on a decision this big.

2828
05:53:24,780 --> 05:53:24,780
this generational. So I don't apologize for my line of questioning,
And I don't believe anybody should,

2829
05:53:33,220 --> 05:53:33,220
because I believe that what we have gotten now,
And in the first time with these two independent assessments,

2830
05:53:40,020 --> 05:53:40,020
has been drastically different and more granular,
With better detail and more options for us to make a sound decision.

2831
05:53:48,260 --> 05:53:52,020
this building is already paid for. Abandoning it is abandoning. It is the most expensive choice. Dallas taxpayers own this building outright.

2832
05:53:57,300 --> 05:53:57,300
the land, the structure and systems represent decades of public investment.

2833
05:54:02,580 --> 05:54:02,580
the only honest cost comparison is repair versus the full cost of replacing what we
Already own,

2834
05:54:10,100 --> 05:54:10,100
including land acquisition in downtown dallas new construction,
Fit out technology transition,

2835
05:54:15,220 --> 05:54:15,220
and the 20 plus years of lease or debt services on something that we'd have to buy back at
Market rate.

2836
05:54:22,700 --> 05:54:25,620
that comparison has never been put in front of this council. It's been really hard to make a sound decision.

2837
05:54:29,060 --> 05:54:29,060
to say otherwise is also disingenuous. We are setting a precedent here.

2838
05:54:34,780 --> 05:54:34,780
what city assets are safe in the notion? And some of the comments that I've heard some of
My colleagues made to me,

2839
05:54:42,220 --> 05:54:42,220
I think fair park is next on the chopping block because we know how much deferred
Maintenance we have there.

2840
05:54:47,140 --> 05:54:47,140
are we supposed to throw our hands up? Are we supposed to adhere to the promises that
We've kept our taxpayers?

2841
05:54:54,340 --> 05:54:54,340
that's your time. All right. I think we are on round two's now with mr.

2842
05:55:00,980 --> 05:55:00,980
roth. You're recognized for three minutes. Thank you.

2843
05:55:05,300 --> 05:55:05,300
I think there's there may be some confusion on the numbers to some of our colleagues that
Require some clarification.

2844
05:55:13,820 --> 05:55:13,820
number one peter, on the, on the total repair costs out of the 1.3 billion or 1.5 billion
That

2845
05:55:25,740 --> 05:55:25,740
represents really $1 billion of extra things below the repair costs that we're talking
About.

2846
05:55:35,950 --> 05:55:35,950
is that correct? I don't believe that's correct,
Sir.

2847
05:55:42,350 --> 05:55:42,350
those costs refer to modernization, financing,
Temporary leases, operating costs.

2848
05:55:51,390 --> 05:55:55,350
some of these these numbers don't apply to this deal. They don't have any bearing on this particular deal right now.

2849
05:55:59,630 --> 05:55:59,630
we are not temporarily leasing space. We already have operating expenses that we're paying
For regularly.

2850
05:56:06,270 --> 05:56:06,270
we are not doing any financing now. And we because we haven't even figured out how much
Money we're going to spend.

2851
05:56:13,150 --> 05:56:13,150
and we are not buying new furniture and we're not buying new interior remodeling.

2852
05:56:19,350 --> 05:56:19,350
so these numbers are scaring people and they're diverting the discussion about whether or
Not we should have a plan

2853
05:56:29,070 --> 05:56:29,070
to try to start figuring out how to do incremental repairs to this building and fix it up
So we can continue to live here.

2854
05:56:39,110 --> 05:56:39,110
number one. Number two, on your summary sheet on page 60,
The numbers are not going up.

2855
05:56:48,270 --> 05:56:48,270
so crazy. What you have to look at that sheet is to say that in those original numbers,
There were things that were not included that are now

2856
05:56:57,870 --> 05:56:57,870
included. And so in the in the top line, the first lines from a com they were not they did
Not include ada upgrades.

2857
05:57:06,630 --> 05:57:06,630
they did not include code upgrades. Those numbers now are included in the numbers that
We're now getting.

2858
05:57:14,510 --> 05:57:14,510
so don't make the numbers reposition these numbers to make it a false discussion.

2859
05:57:24,030 --> 05:57:24,030
let's talk about what we're talking about here,
Which is the right approach, these folks.

2860
05:57:30,030 --> 05:57:30,030
this is absolutely the right approach. This is a good plan.

2861
05:57:35,750 --> 05:57:35,750
this is the number. The numbers are guidance issues.

2862
05:57:40,110 --> 05:57:40,110
we're not spending it right now. These are estimates conservative estimates to give us
Some guidance.

2863
05:57:46,990 --> 05:57:46,990
but the the skill the plan is good. The numbers are guidance,
But our skill and our responsibility is to manage those

2864
05:57:56,790 --> 05:57:56,790
funds and to manage the contractors and make sure that we force them to give us value
Added advice and make sure that we're getting the

2865
05:58:06,470 --> 05:58:06,470
right incremental plan. We don't have to spend all this money today,
But we have to have somebody who can help us start making a

2866
05:58:16,230 --> 05:58:16,230
dent in these is issues. Your time. All right.

2867
05:58:20,870 --> 05:58:23,790
chairman ridley recognized for three minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. And I concur with councilmember roth's comments about how we should
Consider these numbers.

2868
05:58:31,150 --> 05:58:31,150
it's not the gross amount that we're looking at for operating this building over 20 years,

2869
05:58:35,910 --> 05:58:35,910
because we'll incur a lot of that expense if we do nothing and just stay in this building.

2870
05:58:40,830 --> 05:58:40,830
we also have included in that number $213 million of optional modernization expenses for
New furniture and for modernizing the

2871
05:58:50,790 --> 05:58:50,790
building that are not part of our resolution and are not necessary.

2872
05:58:55,550 --> 05:58:55,550
but, mr. Powell, I'd like to ask you about a comment you made a little while ago that you
Needed to get more information from your

2873
05:59:05,430 --> 05:59:05,430
subconsultants that you didn't have time to do.

2874
05:59:09,590 --> 05:59:09,590
what was the nature of that information that you would like to have had from the
Subconsultants,

2875
05:59:14,910 --> 05:59:14,910
and how could that affect your ultimate conclusions?

2876
05:59:21,310 --> 05:59:21,310
one of my concerns is that when we look at cleaning the exterior of this building,
We have not been able to go to the market and get 2 or

2877
05:59:31,230 --> 05:59:31,230
3 subcontractors, to the best of my knowledge,
To give us guidance on what that should cost because of the sloped north facade,

2878
05:59:41,160 --> 05:59:41,160
it creates additional challenges for how you would go about cleaning and sealing that
Sloped concrete facade and recorking that glazing system on that

2879
05:59:50,960 --> 05:59:50,960
sloped north facade. We've talked about having to scaffold that area on the other three
Sides of the building the west,

2880
05:59:58,560 --> 05:59:58,560
the south and the east. I think we can use swing staging on that,
But the opportunity to go to the market and vet those things

2881
06:00:08,560 --> 06:00:08,560
to me has led us to what I would consider to be a number I'm not ashamed to put in front
Of you,

2882
06:00:14,280 --> 06:00:14,280
but I sure hope we could do better with good subcontractor input.

2883
06:00:18,480 --> 06:00:18,480
this is not something that every day of the week we have people going out and cleaning and
Sealing a concrete building of this quality.

2884
06:00:28,400 --> 06:00:28,400
so we have to be careful not to short circuit it and underestimate the cost to do it well.

2885
06:00:34,040 --> 06:00:37,880
nor do we need to double or triple the value that we think is going to take. I want that's one line item in a budget, but there are several other line items.

2886
06:00:42,440 --> 06:00:42,440
when we when we look at them, they jump out at us and they say,
Gosh, does that make sense?

2887
06:00:48,160 --> 06:00:48,160
and it very well may be the right number, but we haven't,
In my opinion.

2888
06:00:52,520 --> 06:00:52,520
I think that our partner structure tone has done an incredible job getting subcontractor
Input on the really big numbers.

2889
06:01:00,160 --> 06:01:03,160
you know, the 40, the 60, the 80, the $100 million numbers. But there's a whole bunch of numbers in that 5 to 20 5 million or 20 5 to 50 million that
I just don't know that we've had time to

2890
06:01:13,000 --> 06:01:13,000
get because we're doing we're trying to get the big numbers tied down first.

2891
06:01:17,840 --> 06:01:17,840
that's where the biggest potential risk is. But there's a bunch of small numbers in here
That I just feel like they haven't been blessed with the time to vet these numbers the way

2892
06:01:27,360 --> 06:01:30,520
that we would love to do it. Now, that's just my opinion. But I look at that skin number. And when I came here earlier and I said,
This is going to be fairly simple to do,

2893
06:01:37,960 --> 06:01:41,120
I didn't have all the answers then and I don't have all the answers now. That's all I can say. Well, and I appreciate that honesty.

2894
06:01:44,480 --> 06:01:44,480
and that, of course, causes me some concern about the overall accuracy of the numbers
Here,

2895
06:01:50,280 --> 06:01:50,280
because this project was conducted over a very short time frame.

2896
06:01:54,440 --> 06:01:54,440
I asked two weeks ago if this two week period was enough time for you to put numbers to
All of these items,

2897
06:02:01,040 --> 06:02:01,040
and you thought it was. But I'm hearing now that it really wasn't.

2898
06:02:05,840 --> 06:02:05,840
and I think we need to take these numbers with a grain of salt because they are very
Preliminary numbers.

2899
06:02:12,080 --> 06:02:15,640
isn't that right? Council member ridley, can I make a comment? Sure. We never stop looking at the numbers that we have in this budget.

2900
06:02:24,010 --> 06:02:24,010
the deeper you get into it, the more you focus or get comfortable or uncomfortable,
Or you have additional information which gives you keener

2901
06:02:33,970 --> 06:02:37,970
insight. We've talked about this number could be 5 million off. This could be seven, this could be. And you add those numbers up and let's say they add up
To $25 million.

2902
06:02:46,290 --> 06:02:46,290
this sounds like. In my business, 25 million on a $550 million budget

2903
06:02:56,290 --> 06:02:56,290
is not a material number, given the pricing that we have right now.

2904
06:03:02,090 --> 06:03:02,090
it doesn't move the needle as it relates to the cumulative dollars that rest within our
Scope.

2905
06:03:10,210 --> 06:03:10,210
that leads to my next question, which is, should this council decide to proceed with a
Repair plan,

2906
06:03:17,050 --> 06:03:17,050
what would the next phase of a developing a repair plan be from your perspective?

2907
06:03:24,370 --> 06:03:24,370
we would well, we would immediately engage an architectural firm and a consultant group to
Start really walking the building.

2908
06:03:33,050 --> 06:03:33,050
further interviewing, taking, making drawings define the scope in preparation of providing
That to a group of subcontractors to

2909
06:03:43,090 --> 06:03:43,090
come up and give us feedback. I mean, that would be the first I would like to chime in as
Well.

2910
06:03:49,330 --> 06:03:49,330
apologies. I know a lot of voices up here. Council member ridley,
But I would like to say same as I answered last time, that I believe we have had

2911
06:03:55,610 --> 06:03:58,450
sufficient time to complete the task that was handed to us. I want to remind the group here. I want to remind my colleagues here as well that we were
Not tasked with completing a full design.

2912
06:04:04,370 --> 06:04:04,370
we were not tasked with putting together drawings to take to market,
To estimate, to bid.

2913
06:04:09,010 --> 06:04:09,010
we were tasked with coming up with no less than two phase strategic plans for repair and
Replacement of the facility,

2914
06:04:16,930 --> 06:04:19,610
and to give you directional budget to support that. I can tell you that I firmly believe that our team has hit the extent of that information
Needed to give you the budgetary numbers to do so.

2915
06:04:27,290 --> 06:04:27,290
anything further would infringe on full design of this program,
Which is not the scope of our current project.

2916
06:04:32,610 --> 06:04:32,610
now, to answer the second question, if there was a next step,
I would advise you, as mr.

2917
06:04:38,010 --> 06:04:41,770
mundinger just said, that to look at the numbers you have,
Make a decision. And if the decision from the council is to move forward with this program,
I would absolutely note that a scope needs to be written and needs to be bid out,

2918
06:04:49,490 --> 06:04:49,490
or in some way procured for an architect to do full design and then pricing associated
With it.

2919
06:04:53,810 --> 06:04:53,810
but I believe within our current scope, we've had sufficient time and information to do
Our work. And I stand by our numbers. We'd start with the big numbers and work our way

2920
06:05:02,610 --> 06:05:02,610
down. So did you include the cost of replacing the heating system in your cost estimates?

2921
06:05:12,930 --> 06:05:12,930
we do not have any elements of the boiler system in this component because they were just
Recently replaced,

2922
06:05:19,370 --> 06:05:19,370
and that's why it's not in our matrix, as you saw in the risk matrix as well.

2923
06:05:24,250 --> 06:05:24,250
well, that's a nice contrast from the cbre estimate.

2924
06:05:29,010 --> 06:05:29,010
in terms of the timing, I noticed that the schedules show the first expenditures for
Budgeting purposes in

2925
06:05:38,210 --> 06:05:38,210
2028. So what activities would occur between now and then.

2926
06:05:44,970 --> 06:05:44,970
or would that really be the first year of any expenditures?

2927
06:05:50,530 --> 06:05:50,530
so if I may answer that question for them, the original edc scope was priced for $2,028
Because theoretically we would not have funding.

2928
06:05:57,770 --> 06:06:01,250
we would have no way to do the design work or even worry about the project. So for it to be a true and realistic budget,
We gave them the 2028 number.

2929
06:06:05,570 --> 06:06:05,570
when the consultant teams today that are here today were engaged,
It was for apples to apples for them to start with 2028,

2930
06:06:11,740 --> 06:06:11,740
which essentially is the same reason that we have no idea if this is something the body
Wants to move forward with,

2931
06:06:17,180 --> 06:06:17,180
and if so, how would it be funded? And then just given the procurement methods that we
Have to follow,

2932
06:06:21,740 --> 06:06:25,020
that is the most likely year that something would begin. Okay. Thank you. Mayor. Mayor pro tem, you're recognized for five minutes.

2933
06:06:30,380 --> 06:06:30,380
thank you mayor. Thank you all for the presentation.

2934
06:06:34,580 --> 06:06:37,700
thank you for the expertise that you have offered. I think you delivered exactly what we asked in the scope that we tasked you with.

2935
06:06:43,820 --> 06:06:43,820
I really appreciate page ten. And the decision making process here emphasizing,
Especially maximizing the use of taxpayer dollar because this is what it's

2936
06:06:53,780 --> 06:06:53,780
about. But let's say we don't spend a dollar,
Let's say we defer these maintenance and we continue kicking the can down the road.

2937
06:07:03,500 --> 06:07:03,500
if we don't do anything and we don't do any of the repairs,
What risk do we have here at city hall?

2938
06:07:11,620 --> 06:07:11,620
whether it's the functionality of the building or life and health possibilities.

2939
06:07:20,420 --> 06:07:20,420
mayor pro tem, if we can have the person running the slides,
Go to slide 19 for me, please.

2940
06:07:27,100 --> 06:07:27,100
in our risk prioritization framework we call out the elements that are most likely to fail
Sooner rather than later.

2941
06:07:34,460 --> 06:07:34,460
and we have a sliding scale on the horizontal axis that talks about the impact,
Right?

2942
06:07:39,100 --> 06:07:39,100
so if you think about what risk is there to staff and operations and otherwise,
I think you could categorize into different components.

2943
06:07:46,620 --> 06:07:46,620
you obviously have life safety and related. That's tied to some of the elements that we're
Showing here around leaks and switchgear and related generators as well.

2944
06:07:54,900 --> 06:07:54,900
right? That's a critical component. If you have electrical distribution issues and you
Have generator issues in the event of power outages related,

2945
06:08:01,860 --> 06:08:05,820
you have operational issues in your facility,
Which could trigger life safety issues as well. So I think if you start in that upper right corner of the wrist matrix and move down to
The bottom left.

2946
06:08:12,020 --> 06:08:14,780
you can start to understand the cascading impact along the way. Now, one of the things that you know hasn't been fully dug into as a part of our scope is
Understanding the operational impacts of each department and their ability to deliver city

2947
06:08:24,060 --> 06:08:24,060
services, whether they're here, remote or otherwise. And so I would encourage the council
To look at that as well as part of this decision making process. Thank you.

2948
06:08:32,220 --> 06:08:32,220
let's say we do come up with some some funding to make these necessary repairs.

2949
06:08:37,140 --> 06:08:37,140
we come up with the budget. The budget's approved.

2950
06:08:41,460 --> 06:08:41,460
but we knocked down a wall and now find additional repairs that are necessary or
Triggered.

2951
06:08:49,860 --> 06:08:49,860
where do we find those dollars? Madam city manager with an approved budget.

2952
06:08:54,420 --> 06:08:54,420
are those done through emergency funds? How do we get those extra dollars for unforeseen
Repairs?

2953
06:09:03,220 --> 06:09:03,220
thank you for the question, mayor pro tem moreno,
And I think we have a perfect example.

2954
06:09:07,310 --> 06:09:07,310
there was a couple of jobs that we had gotten a budgetary line item for,
And john can give what the specific job was.

2955
06:09:13,590 --> 06:09:17,390
and so I think the line item in the budget was less than maybe 7 million. And by the time we got the actual bids in, after we put it out for to award the contract,
The numbers came in much,

2956
06:09:26,550 --> 06:09:26,550
much higher. And so because we didn't at that time then have that additional budget
Capacity built in,

2957
06:09:32,230 --> 06:09:32,230
then that project did not move forward. And so anytime something like that happens and
We've got to take it from somewhere in order to be able to move it over and be able to

2958
06:09:40,510 --> 06:09:40,510
address whatever that gap might be. So that would be a part of I think how we do things
Now.

2959
06:09:47,030 --> 06:09:49,830
oftentimes we have budget things that go over. We just went through a very extensive review last week where we continue to see the rising
Costs in animal cruelty cases.

2960
06:09:57,270 --> 06:10:00,310
and so it's continuing to blow our budget in that particular. That's just one example. And that one department.

2961
06:10:02,510 --> 06:10:02,510
so we would have to find it within our allocation that has been approved by the city
Council.

2962
06:10:07,350 --> 06:10:11,350
and oftentimes that's looking at where we can take it from and move something around. So that would just be a part of the of our budget process.

2963
06:10:14,230 --> 06:10:14,230
thank you. So a lot of the work is slated to be done on the weekends,
The holidays the evenings.

2964
06:10:22,390 --> 06:10:22,390
have we considered a time of, or the the cost for construction workers to be able to work
During those hours?

2965
06:10:29,710 --> 06:10:29,710
is that built in? Correct? Yeah. So if we are only recommending night and evening and you
Know,

2966
06:10:37,550 --> 06:10:37,550
holiday season or, or council recess work really in section e of the facility,
Which includes this council chamber related.

2967
06:10:45,510 --> 06:10:45,510
we are carrying a premium for that within our pricing for that,
Both in square footage and in duration of projects.

2968
06:10:51,830 --> 06:10:51,830
so you have not only the cost for the work itself,
But the escalation associated with it.

2969
06:10:56,150 --> 06:10:58,910
so that is priced in really for that specific area. But I would like to note that really section e is the only component of that facility that
Is carrying a nights and weekend premium.

2970
06:11:06,070 --> 06:11:06,070
there are some elements of, you know, occupancy premium for different areas that comes to
Mobilization,

2971
06:11:10,790 --> 06:11:13,830
but those are both costed into this number. Okay. Okay. Madam city manager, as we see revenue that's coming into the city today,
Not being there

2972
06:11:23,550 --> 06:11:23,550
tomorrow, how much more difficult do these types of huge financial considerations away
Into the budget?

2973
06:11:34,950 --> 06:11:34,950
thank you for the question. Mayor pro tem moreno. It is the current the current climate,
As we've laid out before we have to continue to do what we're doing now and,

2974
06:11:44,950 --> 06:11:44,950
and how we're looking at our budget. It's not about what we are going to spend,
It's what we're going to invest and continuing to find those new revenue sources.

2975
06:11:53,430 --> 06:11:53,430
I think it will be critical. We know what the current pressures are right now on property
Tax reform.

2976
06:11:58,990 --> 06:11:58,990
we also have seen how our sales tax dollars,
Even though we've seen the increase, we're still not keeping track or not keeping pace

2977
06:12:05,950 --> 06:12:09,230
with what we have laid out in our forecast and our budgets. So I don't I don't foresee that that gets easier,
I think, as our city continues to grow,

2978
06:12:16,230 --> 06:12:16,230
the cost of delivering services continues to rise,
That we have to continue to find ways.

2979
06:12:22,790 --> 06:12:22,790
from a fiscal sustainability perspective these are going to be difficult days ahead.

2980
06:12:27,510 --> 06:12:27,510
and I think we've laid out all of, whether I'm talking about the increase that will happen
Year over year with our pension payment.

2981
06:12:34,790 --> 06:12:34,790
these are all things that we don't necessarily have the option not to do.

2982
06:12:38,910 --> 06:12:38,910
and so we would definitely have to continue the work and what we bring and how we're
Looking at the budget in,

2983
06:12:46,310 --> 06:12:46,310
in, in its entirety. But the one off pieces of it,
I think are going to be critical for us not to make because I think we're going to find

2984
06:12:53,590 --> 06:12:53,590
ourselves kind of where we are right now. We're looking,
We're looking for a path forward that would allow for us to continue to ensure that we are

2985
06:13:01,600 --> 06:13:01,600
maximizing the use of our taxpayer dollars and the most efficient way possible,
And the most physically stewardship way possible.

2986
06:13:08,880 --> 06:13:08,880
on page 24, you talk about the the windows and only resealing those existing windows.

2987
06:13:17,000 --> 06:13:17,000
we know that they take a huge toll on our hvac operates.

2988
06:13:22,480 --> 06:13:22,480
is there any consideration to updating those windows so that they're not pressing up
Against the demand of the hvac?

2989
06:13:35,920 --> 06:13:35,920
so could you repeat that question? Sure. I mean,
Is it we have a lot of windows on the front of this building.

2990
06:13:40,560 --> 06:13:40,560
the sun is glaring in. That has an impact on how hard our hvac is working.

2991
06:13:49,680 --> 06:13:49,680
is there any are we looking at. And I don't want to use the word modernizing,
But are we looking at anything to help keep down the cost of our

2992
06:13:59,080 --> 06:13:59,080
electricity. On the demand. The biggest the biggest improvement you can make to this
Building is direct digital controls on all of the mechanical equipment and electrical

2993
06:14:08,480 --> 06:14:08,480
equipment. That is going to fundamentally change your efficiency and controls.

2994
06:14:14,880 --> 06:14:14,880
so to me, in a modern building, you start with the definition of what a smart building is.

2995
06:14:20,360 --> 06:14:20,360
all these systems need to talk to one another,
And they need to be able to be programable and controlled.

2996
06:14:25,920 --> 06:14:25,920
so I think that's going to be a huge. Now the glass and glazing on this building is huge
Sheets of glass.

2997
06:14:31,600 --> 06:14:31,600
they're somewhere between three quarters of an inch and 7/8 of an inch thick in a lot of
Cases.

2998
06:14:37,000 --> 06:14:37,000
the only thing that you're going to do by replacing those insulated glass units,
Is being able to put a better coating on it.

2999
06:14:45,720 --> 06:14:45,720
a solar heat gain is a huge factor. When I look at this building,
The east and the west walls have very limited sun exposure.

3000
06:14:54,760 --> 06:14:54,760
the south facade is facing due south. In the summer,
It's very easy to create a passive shade device on that facade just

3001
06:15:04,720 --> 06:15:04,720
to shade it. But in the winter, we actually want that solar radiation in space.

3002
06:15:09,640 --> 06:15:09,640
it helps heat the room. So what I would say to you is,
When I heard that we were going to take out all the glass and glazing in this building and

3003
06:15:16,040 --> 06:15:16,040
replace it with insulated glass. Conductance is a minor issue in texas.

3004
06:15:21,680 --> 06:15:21,680
solar heat gain is huge, but you can control it passively.

3005
06:15:26,320 --> 06:15:26,320
so what I what I would say when I look at this building and where you're going to invest
Money,

3006
06:15:30,720 --> 06:15:30,720
we did not recommend replacing the glass and glazing system in this building.

3007
06:15:35,080 --> 06:15:35,080
it's not structurally in jeopardy. And I think that we have window coverings and we can
Apply coatings if necessary to help.

3008
06:15:43,720 --> 06:15:43,720
but in terms of dollars for dollars, digital direct digital controls is going to be the
Biggest bang for the buck.

3009
06:15:50,600 --> 06:15:50,600
thank you. On page 45 it says investigate repair parking garage roof underneath plaza.

3010
06:15:57,800 --> 06:16:01,040
does that mean we really didn't take a deep look into that? And what are the projections and possible added cost?

3011
06:16:06,800 --> 06:16:06,800
yeah. Go ahead. Here's how we attacked it, and I'll let my experts respond.

3012
06:16:15,480 --> 06:16:15,480
it's a it. This whole water issue is one that gets a lot of attention and and justifiably
So.

3013
06:16:21,000 --> 06:16:21,000
so when we really looked at it, we there are two primary issues that we focused on the
Existing expansion and control joints.

3014
06:16:28,080 --> 06:16:28,080
I mean, that's a big task ahead of you to repair that.

3015
06:16:32,160 --> 06:16:32,160
we also believe the reflecting pool can be leaking.

3016
06:16:36,480 --> 06:16:36,480
so we're fixing the expansion joints. We're addressing the needs.

3017
06:16:41,840 --> 06:16:41,840
and you know what we call the pool. And in the process of correcting those two items,
We're also investigating what's on the top of the parking garage,

3018
06:16:51,650 --> 06:16:51,650
which again is underneath the plaza. We want to fix those first two.

3019
06:16:56,810 --> 06:16:56,810
examine the condition that could be creating leaking in the plaza area again on top of the
Parking garage.

3020
06:17:05,050 --> 06:17:05,050
if our investigation shows that the old tar that was put underneath that years and years
Ago is still functional,

3021
06:17:12,810 --> 06:17:12,810
we'll leave it alone. If it doesn't, then we will go in and address that.

3022
06:17:18,530 --> 06:17:21,650
but that's a progressive program that we're dealing with. Tearing. Tearing that plaza off and redoing it is expensive.

3023
06:17:28,250 --> 06:17:28,250
and we're putting that off until the end. Until we start tracking down the water and,
And tracking water is very difficult.

3024
06:17:37,490 --> 06:17:40,970
starts one way and comes out all different kind of ways. The rube goldberg system that exists now with those internal whatever you want,
Those that internal gutter system.

3025
06:17:50,250 --> 06:17:50,250
or that'll go away quickly. If this is pursued and fixing the expansion joints is going to
Have the greatest impact on the amount of water

3026
06:18:00,130 --> 06:18:03,290
that gets into that garage. There's no doubt about it. The roof membrane in between those expansion joints may be a factor,
But in terms of contribution to the problem,

3027
06:18:10,490 --> 06:18:10,490
I think it's the expansion joints that are 90% of it no matter what.

3028
06:18:14,810 --> 06:18:14,810
and that gutter system that was put in the garage to kind of control where the water goes.

3029
06:18:20,250 --> 06:18:20,250
well, if the water is already in the garage,
It's going to end up at some point in a public area.

3030
06:18:24,970 --> 06:18:24,970
and I just think we can I think we just need to attack the expansion joints.

3031
06:18:29,010 --> 06:18:29,010
that's belhaven clearly. And I that belhaven report or the moisture protection in the
Building was excellent.

3032
06:18:37,930 --> 06:18:41,770
I haven't read a better one, so I want to rely on what those guys are telling us. And they said they found chlorinated water in the garage on level one and level two of the
Garage that can only come from the reflecting pool,

3033
06:18:50,530 --> 06:18:50,530
so we know it's leaking and it's wet. 365 days a year you if you've ever been in there and
There wasn't water in the garage,

3034
06:18:58,530 --> 06:19:02,490
you ought to take a picture of it because I don't think it happens very often. Yeah. The biggest key for me, the biggest takeaway is the fire and life safety systems
That are currently existing in this

3035
06:19:11,970 --> 06:19:11,970
building, putting not only everyone in this building at risk,
But those visitors that come through these doors every single day,

3036
06:19:21,850 --> 06:19:21,850
and our first responders who are coming to possibly fight a fire or trying to get help to
Someone.

3037
06:19:30,210 --> 06:19:30,210
we have to address that. There's no way that we can try to get around it and do just
Enough to not trigger new.

3038
06:19:39,890 --> 06:19:39,890
safety standards. This should and must be a priority.

3039
06:19:45,420 --> 06:19:45,420
it is. And we've and we've engaged with the people within the city just beginning a
Preliminary discussion with them on how do we address this

3040
06:19:55,340 --> 06:19:55,340
and get their input. Okay. And so this building has a certificate of occupancy.

3041
06:20:00,940 --> 06:20:00,940
currently, there's a certificate of occupancy,
Give you the right to come in and do building repairs.

3042
06:20:06,620 --> 06:20:06,620
or do you have to get a building permit and a approval to do work on the building?

3043
06:20:14,060 --> 06:20:14,060
and if there is significant renovations done on the building,
What does that do to a co?

3044
06:20:20,220 --> 06:20:20,220
so we will need to short stories. We will require permits to do.

3045
06:20:25,300 --> 06:20:28,620
it will be required to get permits to do the work that we're talking about here. And for us to then move back in and get certificate of occupancy for those areas that will
Have to be done potentially on a phased capacity.

3046
06:20:36,820 --> 06:20:40,420
that's something we have to work out in the final design plan of how it needs to be done. But the answer is yes, we would need permits and then yes,
We would need co for the space that we're moving back into.

3047
06:20:45,820 --> 06:20:45,820
thank you. Thank you mayor. And if I, if I may one of the tests for the building code,
The new building code that basically addresses existing building conditions

3048
06:20:55,860 --> 06:20:55,860
is that if you're a high rise building, meaning you have a floor greater than 75ft above
The fire department access level,

3049
06:21:03,180 --> 06:21:06,300
the automatic sprinkler system. And these improvements are required. It's not discretionary based. Yes, there is a 51% test for work areas.

3050
06:21:11,540 --> 06:21:11,540
and if you exceed that 50 that trips, that's an if then if you're more than 51%.

3051
06:21:16,260 --> 06:21:20,180
but if you're in a high rise office building,
It's already tripped. You don't get you don't get an exception to being in a high rise building.

3052
06:21:23,980 --> 06:21:23,980
and therefore to us, yes, will's right. We're waiting for somebody at the city to come
Back and say,

3053
06:21:29,860 --> 06:21:29,860
officially, we agree with that position. That's what the building code says that you
Approved in 2022.

3054
06:21:37,220 --> 06:21:37,220
so it will be a variance you would give yourselves.

3055
06:21:44,540 --> 06:21:44,540
mr. West, you recognize for three minutes. Thank you.

3056
06:21:48,620 --> 06:21:48,620
just a kind of a cleanup item that I want to do is comment.

3057
06:21:52,900 --> 06:21:52,900
a couple of comments were made about a aecom,
One that was, quote, their numbers were proven to be incorrect.

3058
06:21:59,660 --> 06:21:59,660
and then the second was that their numbers were intentionally presented to mislead us.

3059
06:22:04,220 --> 06:22:04,220
I wanted to let this panel just address if you know,
A aecom numbers were in any way incorrect in your minds or intended to

3060
06:22:14,220 --> 06:22:14,220
mislead this council. Based on the information that's been provided to us and the numbers
That are within the aecom

3061
06:22:24,060 --> 06:22:24,060
report, obviously we approach the program from a different perspective,
As did will's team.

3062
06:22:30,420 --> 06:22:30,420
all of the numbers came in within a reasonable percentage of each other.

3063
06:22:34,700 --> 06:22:34,700
I see no reason why those numbers will be presented as anything other than accurate,
Based on the information they have and was provided to us at this point in time.

3064
06:22:42,780 --> 06:22:42,780
now, as I mentioned, aiken was tasked with looking at and repairing the systems components
Associated there.

3065
06:22:49,220 --> 06:22:49,220
we were tasked with looking at this as a, you know,
An approach over a ten year period.

3066
06:22:53,340 --> 06:22:53,340
and that did trigger other elements. But I have no reason to discredit the a report just
Didn't want to leave that out there as a corporate headquarters that's here and

3067
06:23:01,660 --> 06:23:01,660
internationally renowned company. So I think if we go to slide 63,
That will kind of help guide my last two minutes here.

3068
06:23:11,460 --> 06:23:11,460
you know, a comment was another comment was made that was abandoning city hall is the most
Expensive choice.

3069
06:23:20,980 --> 06:23:20,980
to me, that is a predetermined opinion because with someone who doesn't have all the
Information,

3070
06:23:26,940 --> 06:23:30,900
because we don't know that yet. We have been presented right now. Just use mr. Bazaldua analogy we presented been presented with the picture of repairing
The old mercedes.

3071
06:23:39,630 --> 06:23:39,630
we don't know what the cost is yet of leasing or buying a new car.

3072
06:23:45,310 --> 06:23:45,310
I assume cbre is going to be giving that to us in executive session here in a little bit.

3073
06:23:50,110 --> 06:23:50,110
when we look at leasing options, and I think having that comparison to what's on slide 63
Will give us the full

3074
06:23:59,870 --> 06:23:59,870
financial picture that I think we need as elected officials,
As leaders who are going to make a fiduciary,

3075
06:24:06,990 --> 06:24:06,990
fiduciary decision for our taxpayers. So looking at this slide the last comment I'll
Address is that these

3076
06:24:16,790 --> 06:24:20,150
numbers, some one of my colleagues said these numbers are scaring people. I just wanted to ask peter or someone up there is there any scenario that we would choose
In which we stay in city hall where we would not

3077
06:24:29,870 --> 06:24:29,870
incur the temporary lease costs or 20 years of operating costs?

3078
06:24:37,750 --> 06:24:37,750
operating the business, the building as is, and allocating an appropriate amount of
Capital reserves,

3079
06:24:43,830 --> 06:24:43,830
which you can see in the methodologies a dollar per square foot per year increasing later
In the model to $1.50 per square foot per year.

3080
06:24:51,510 --> 06:24:51,510
that is your baseline. If you do nothing to the building,
That's what any professional owner would do in an office building.

3081
06:24:58,670 --> 06:25:02,030
so those numbers are really your do nothing scenario. You're going to incur $230 million of costs over the next 20 years staying in this
Building before touching anything else.

3082
06:25:09,350 --> 06:25:09,350
so that's your baseline scenario in my mind. I do not I was not given any inputs by this
Team either one of these teams that suggested that

3083
06:25:19,270 --> 06:25:23,030
there's free office space available for anyone in the city. Nor that they could execute this program without temporarily relocating.

3084
06:25:26,510 --> 06:25:29,710
I was given very specific inputs and those are the outputs. So we modeled what was given to us in terms of what was required to execute these
Programs.

3085
06:25:35,190 --> 06:25:35,190
so I don't agree with the characterization that they're unnecessary costs.

3086
06:25:39,830 --> 06:25:39,830
they are reality of costs to do this. So you believe this slide presents the financial
Picture we need to use when comparing

3087
06:25:49,630 --> 06:25:49,630
staying in city hall, permanently renovating it in some capacity or,
Or moving out.

3088
06:25:55,390 --> 06:25:58,470
this is our comparison that we use. I believe so. I do believe it is fair to say that the numbers have not been presented publicly for what
The other options could be.

3089
06:26:07,510 --> 06:26:10,750
and they should be compared to these benchmarks. And if the costs are higher, that's what council should consider if the costs are lower on
The holistic basis.

3090
06:26:15,990 --> 06:26:15,990
that's what council should consider. And I believe that will be presented to you shortly.

3091
06:26:20,830 --> 06:26:20,830
yeah. And it's quite possible that the, the cost of leasing or buying the new car could be
Higher.

3092
06:26:27,790 --> 06:26:27,790
I mean I haven't seen them yet. I don't know who has,
But I'm looking forward to seeing him.

3093
06:26:32,640 --> 06:26:36,120
just speaking, because this was addressed publicly. I in one of our previous presentations there were a range of solutions presented by the
Market,

3094
06:26:42,480 --> 06:26:42,480
including some that were more expensive than these and some that were less expensive than
These.

3095
06:26:47,680 --> 06:26:51,560
there are also multiple financing scenarios that are available. So I disagree with the characterization that you will be leasing into perpetuity.

3096
06:26:55,720 --> 06:26:55,720
I understand the negativity associated with that.

3097
06:27:00,040 --> 06:27:00,040
but that is not what we are tasked with exploring and that's not what we have delivered.

3098
06:27:04,560 --> 06:27:04,560
so that's not the options. You're not limited in your options.

3099
06:27:09,360 --> 06:27:12,880
at least according to the exploration we've done so far. Thank you. Chairman stewart, you're recognized for three minutes.

3100
06:27:22,760 --> 06:27:22,760
thank you, mayor johnson. During the months of reviewing and discussing the multiple
Multiple reports from consultants and engineers.

3101
06:27:31,120 --> 06:27:31,120
my focus has always been on the numbers. I believe we now have reliable numbers,
Not perfect numbers,

3102
06:27:39,000 --> 06:27:39,000
reliable numbers. The question is, can we truly afford the extensive repairs that are
Needed at this point?

3103
06:27:46,040 --> 06:27:46,040
addressing the extensive repairs needed in this building means replacing multiple systems,

3104
06:27:50,960 --> 06:27:50,960
hvac, electrical substations, generators, and the roof and more.

3105
06:27:56,080 --> 06:27:59,960
and that will require tremendous financial investment. Whether we use bond funds or general funds, we are using taxpayer dollars that should be
Focused on building the future and not continuing to pay for

3106
06:28:09,920 --> 06:28:09,920
the consequences of decisions made in the past.

3107
06:28:14,440 --> 06:28:14,440
and that's all I have to say at the moment. Thank you.

3108
06:28:20,680 --> 06:28:20,680
chairman johnson, you're recognized for three minutes. Thank you,
Mr.

3109
06:28:27,640 --> 06:28:27,640
mayor. City manager. I have a question. I know I heard that it was said that the
Incremental repairs

3110
06:28:39,440 --> 06:28:42,760
is what we was pretty much needing to focus on. So it's those incremental repairs about 600 000 on when I'm looking at.

3111
06:28:50,440 --> 06:28:50,440
sorry, I'm getting it right here on slide 60.

3112
06:28:56,640 --> 06:29:00,000
so we just look at the 88 upgrades. It's a repair estimate. The staff said 152 to 345 a come said 329.4531.6 and it went all the way up to 16.

3113
06:29:09,960 --> 06:29:09,960
that's just the bare minimum. Is that correct?

3114
06:29:14,760 --> 06:29:14,760
thank you, councilmember johnson, for the question. So if you're referring to what's on
Slide 60 the reason why we wanted to share this slide because again,

3115
06:29:22,240 --> 06:29:22,240
we've also heard all of the different range of numbers and what was included.

3116
06:29:26,560 --> 06:29:30,480
eight. First of all, I do want to I have to say this because this has come up many times. A come did not deliver us a repair estimate of $1 billion.

3117
06:29:35,360 --> 06:29:35,360
that's not what they delivered. They delivered us a repair estimate of 329.4.

3118
06:29:40,880 --> 06:29:40,880
but when you add in the other pieces, whether it was coming back to.

3119
06:29:44,960 --> 06:29:44,960
and I think mr. Jensen has referred to a warm lit shell,
It's the additional things that you have to do to make the building ready to reoccupy.

3120
06:29:54,360 --> 06:29:57,920
and that also included the the time frame to leave and come back. And it was a shorter window. I think it was a five year window. So this slide was to show
That if you just take the repair estimates with nothing else.

3121
06:30:06,840 --> 06:30:06,840
so you could get a very clear understanding of where we started as staff.

3122
06:30:11,360 --> 06:30:11,360
and I'll go back to october of 2025. We did not have this expert team.

3123
06:30:17,120 --> 06:30:17,120
we did not have the a team. What we had were previous proposals that we had actually
Received estimates where we had actually received

3124
06:30:27,170 --> 06:30:27,170
work orders to do certain things in the building that either could not be done because of
Budget capacity.

3125
06:30:32,290 --> 06:30:35,330
and that's what we use to base our number off of. We also had a very old facilities condition assessment that we use that had not been
Updated.

3126
06:30:41,010 --> 06:30:41,010
so we just wanted to make sure that this slide clearly showed if you just take the repair
Estimates alone before you add in,

3127
06:30:48,210 --> 06:30:48,210
if you go down the page, the ada upgrades, the code upgrades,
Technology, interior swing space and all those things.

3128
06:30:55,290 --> 06:30:58,770
that's really what you're comparing. Thank you. So this is just the, the bare repair estimates and staff estimates that come at that point
When I'm looking at what's the

3129
06:31:08,690 --> 06:31:08,690
least expensive. And then we go all the way up to six six over $6 million.

3130
06:31:18,610 --> 06:31:18,610
I don't believe that's a scare tactic. We're trying to cause people to be fearful.

3131
06:31:23,330 --> 06:31:26,810
the community know these are the facts. It's tough. As deputy mayor pro tem said, it's been a tough week,
But we have to understand that we have to make tough decisions and this is just a

3132
06:31:36,530 --> 06:31:36,530
tough, a tough decision and a reality that we can't do more patchwork if we're going to
Fix it.

3133
06:31:46,090 --> 06:31:46,090
we can't say, let's do the bare minimum and then not upgrade code.

3134
06:31:50,330 --> 06:31:50,330
that's not integrity. That's not business. That's not good governance.

3135
06:31:55,210 --> 06:31:55,210
that's that's a bad example of leadership, in my opinion.

3136
06:32:01,170 --> 06:32:01,170
the water situation. I've listened to what was said in 1976.

3137
06:32:09,130 --> 06:32:09,130
there's a video by I.m. Pei said the underground parking garage said was to cost $11
Million.

3138
06:32:16,650 --> 06:32:16,650
I.m. Pei had a water problem then and they thought it was.

3139
06:32:21,090 --> 06:32:23,890
it came in through concrete expansion joints. Engineers thought it was due to a drainage problem caused by rain.

3140
06:32:28,250 --> 06:32:28,250
it flowed from two sub parking levels, which we know today as level one and level two.

3141
06:32:34,290 --> 06:32:34,290
this is in 1976. This is documented on youtube.

3142
06:32:38,930 --> 06:32:38,930
he said we're going to try to find the problem. Clearly the problem was not found or
Fixed.

3143
06:32:45,050 --> 06:32:45,050
and this is the guy that we respect a genius,
A genius architect.

3144
06:32:52,490 --> 06:32:52,490
so these are this is not a new problem. This is 1976 then and this is 2026 now.

3145
06:32:59,330 --> 06:32:59,330
and if you've been having a leak since 1976 and it's 2026,
You do the math.

3146
06:33:08,130 --> 06:33:10,530
we just have to make a tough decision. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Miss blair, you're recognized for three minutes.

3147
06:33:18,130 --> 06:33:18,130
thank you, mr. Mayor. I have one question. And councilman johnson,
If you'll answer it, please be be succinct.

3148
06:33:26,220 --> 06:33:30,220
and when you went down to. Can I ask a question? Mr. Mayor of of councilman johnson. Oh, you can ask him if he wants to respond.

3149
06:33:36,580 --> 06:33:36,580
he can. When you went down to l3, is it just a crawl space or is it is it large enough to
Be considered another floor?

3150
06:33:48,900 --> 06:33:52,260
no, it's large enough to be considered another floor. So if it's large enough to be considered another floor,
Fans won't fix it.

3151
06:33:56,700 --> 06:33:56,700
so let me just say this. I have been told this council was will be known as the worst
Council ever if we did not do the repairs and

3152
06:34:06,700 --> 06:34:06,700
renovate city hall. This has. This council has been asked to continue to kick the can down
The road or to be the council that finally stops

3153
06:34:16,420 --> 06:34:16,420
kicking that can down the road and do what's what previous council should have done in the
Past,

3154
06:34:22,500 --> 06:34:22,500
but did not do. I believe this council is not the worst,
But it's the one with the heart to do what is right,

3155
06:34:29,260 --> 06:34:29,260
not what is easy. We are taking that can and finally turning it,
Turning a.

3156
06:34:36,060 --> 06:34:36,060
taking a hard look at what holistically is right for the future generations,
And not just right for what is easy for us to do today.

3157
06:34:45,940 --> 06:34:45,940
as a council member for district eight, I must lead not by doing what is easy.

3158
06:34:51,500 --> 06:34:51,500
I must lead, not by doing what is what is only right for my district.

3159
06:34:57,380 --> 06:34:57,380
but I must do what's right for the city of dallas that can needs to get in the trash and
We need to do what's right.

3160
06:35:05,300 --> 06:35:05,300
that can is rusted, it's old and it's got holes that can is water written

3161
06:35:15,980 --> 06:35:15,980
and it's rusted. That can is is time to be put to bed.

3162
06:35:22,740 --> 06:35:22,740
I ask this council to stop looking at self. Stop looking at what you want and looking at
What's right.

3163
06:35:28,980 --> 06:35:28,980
not for this generation, but for the next. Because it's not about us.

3164
06:35:34,140 --> 06:35:34,140
it's not about what we can do for the next year,
Next five years or ten years.

3165
06:35:39,380 --> 06:35:42,340
just like we're sitting in a building that's 50 years old. That's that's broken, battered and torn. We can't do the same things for the generations
To come.

3166
06:35:51,020 --> 06:35:51,020
I ask this council to do what's right. Pick that can up off the street.

3167
06:35:56,140 --> 06:35:56,140
it's not even really ready for recycling. Throw it away.

3168
06:36:04,300 --> 06:36:04,300
miss, you recognized for three minutes. Thanks,
Mr.

3169
06:36:10,460 --> 06:36:10,460
mayor. My focus has always been the numbers as well,
And I appreciate the work of the consultants.

3170
06:36:15,980 --> 06:36:15,980
I did question because in eight years I had never heard anything near a $1 billion
Estimate.

3171
06:36:21,140 --> 06:36:21,140
I want to be a prudent steward of taxpayers dollars and also provide safe working
Conditions for employees.

3172
06:36:27,580 --> 06:36:27,580
because I was one as an employee, I contributed to repairs by paying parking fees to the
Parking garage.

3173
06:36:35,220 --> 06:36:35,220
but having experienced the stemmons building,
I want to make certain that our employees have a safe place to live and work before making

3174
06:36:42,140 --> 06:36:42,140
a decision. If we demolish this building and don't have a safe place where people can come
At all hours,

3175
06:36:51,100 --> 06:36:54,780
that concerns me. What is the cost of demolition? I've repeatedly heard that it will be extremely costly from outsiders,
And may take up to 600 trucks to remove the debris.

3176
06:37:02,460 --> 06:37:02,460
not to mention the environmental impact, which is a topic very,
Extremely important for district six.

3177
06:37:09,700 --> 06:37:09,700
my district has experienced displacement of almost 300 families in 2016 due to city code.

3178
06:37:16,750 --> 06:37:19,590
it was said those homes could not be repaired. The homes have been repaired since then. They're still standing and the value has soared.

3179
06:37:26,150 --> 06:37:26,150
so I agree, we need all of the information to make a decision,
Which includes demolition and the total cost of new space,

3180
06:37:33,990 --> 06:37:36,790
and who will pay for the demolition of the building. Will it be the purchaser or the taxpayer? I'm sorry.

3181
06:37:40,270 --> 06:37:40,270
I'm going to have to ask you to. Yeah, to focus on something that we're not talking about
Demolishing anything.

3182
06:37:49,390 --> 06:37:49,390
well, it did mention demo in the briefing. That's not what was.

3183
06:37:53,990 --> 06:37:53,990
so lastly, having worked in a hospital, I cringe every day walking the halls at the number
Of boxes or abandoned furniture,

3184
06:38:00,190 --> 06:38:00,190
the hallway, which is a fire hazard and something that we could easily remedy.

3185
06:38:06,070 --> 06:38:06,070
thank you. German gracey recognized for three minutes.

3186
06:38:11,830 --> 06:38:11,830
thank you. Again, I've said this before. Thank you all for this work.

3187
06:38:18,030 --> 06:38:18,030
I've been waiting eagerly for these numbers. Like many of us anything outside of this was
Was speculation.

3188
06:38:26,670 --> 06:38:26,670
so thank you for the, for the due diligence. Now,
Whether or not we agree with these numbers or not,

3189
06:38:30,750 --> 06:38:30,750
we have a decent range that we know either way is going to cost us money.

3190
06:38:37,790 --> 06:38:40,590
anywhere from it's going to cost us to get this done. So the next thing we need to figure out is for all of us who've been advocating and
Saying,

3191
06:38:44,950 --> 06:38:44,950
save city hall. I just, I, I don't, I'm not pleased with the process and I'll keep it.

3192
06:38:53,990 --> 06:38:53,990
I'll stay on point, I'll stay on point, I'll stay on point.

3193
06:38:58,390 --> 06:38:58,390
but when we started down this pathway, the way we've behaved publicly was embarrassing.

3194
06:39:07,190 --> 06:39:07,190
and it's bad for business and the entire world is watching.

3195
06:39:12,150 --> 06:39:12,150
and I'm frankly embarrassed. Are we going to be labeled the worst council ever?

3196
06:39:16,950 --> 06:39:16,950
no, I don't think that, because I still believe in the hope of the city of dallas,
And I believe that there's opportunities there that we can collectively as a body

3197
06:39:26,550 --> 06:39:26,550
capture. But it's been embarrassing in how we've treated the folks,
The professionals that's gone through this work.

3198
06:39:32,990 --> 06:39:32,990
are, are the narratives that we've put out here without the proper data to support any of
It.

3199
06:39:40,270 --> 06:39:40,270
many of us haven't been in this building long enough to even know it,
Or have an opinion or an experience to put these out here.

3200
06:39:46,830 --> 06:39:46,830
and we've had people in the public put numbers out and say,
Well, this is the true number and all of these things.

3201
06:39:51,590 --> 06:39:51,590
so again, I just want to say, we are here now and we have a decision to make,
And we have a very tough decision to make.

3202
06:39:57,990 --> 06:39:57,990
so everybody that was saying, you know, save city hall,
Now we want to try to discount these numbers again so we don't have to pay as much as we

3203
06:40:05,350 --> 06:40:05,350
know it's going to cost, which many of us knew all along what it's going to cost us to
Actually repair this building.

3204
06:40:12,110 --> 06:40:12,110
so for those who are saying save city hall, this is your number,
This is your number, and you can debate it.

3205
06:40:18,630 --> 06:40:18,630
but if you care about city hall, like you said you are,
Then let's not cut corners on this building and doing what we need to do.

3206
06:40:25,150 --> 06:40:25,150
I mean, for crying out loud, we got a smoke bomb in this building.

3207
06:40:30,350 --> 06:40:30,350
I've been in this building for 16 years working in this building,
And every time we did our fire escape evacuation plan,

3208
06:40:36,350 --> 06:40:36,350
we went down those stairs and we sitting up here,
That's a major issue.

3209
06:40:42,350 --> 06:40:42,350
and we're sitting here discounting these numbers,
Discounting their experience, discounting their work.

3210
06:40:47,750 --> 06:40:47,750
there are major problems. And we're not going to ignore these issues in this building for
The sake of politics.

3211
06:40:53,710 --> 06:40:56,790
it's politics that's messing up deals for this city. It's politics that's keeping people from coming to this city.

3212
06:41:01,430 --> 06:41:01,430
so again, we're not the most we're not. But but this was an embarrassing experience.

3213
06:41:06,280 --> 06:41:09,120
and again, city manager, thank you for putting this team together. And I'm going to continue to work to get us moving us a direction one way or the other.

3214
06:41:13,560 --> 06:41:13,560
thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Roth, you're recognized.

3215
06:41:17,960 --> 06:41:17,960
well, actually, let's see one minute. Thank you.

3216
06:41:23,680 --> 06:41:23,680
save city hall at any cost is not the headline.

3217
06:41:29,480 --> 06:41:29,480
the headline is saving city hall by giving us the power to control our costs.

3218
06:41:38,160 --> 06:41:38,160
this is my house, and this is the right approach for us.

3219
06:41:44,840 --> 06:41:44,840
and I would encourage all of us to focus on this and endorse this approach and move
Forward with an action plan to proceed.

3220
06:41:54,920 --> 06:41:58,480
let's stop fooling around. Let's get these folks working. Let's figure out what we need to do, and let's solve this problem now.

3221
06:42:02,800 --> 06:42:05,920
in this place, we're not giving up this place. We got to fix it and we can do it cost effectively.

3222
06:42:09,040 --> 06:42:12,240
we can find the money. And we are smart enough. We are the strongest city in the united states.

3223
06:42:16,040 --> 06:42:16,040
we have the strongest city council. We can do anything we put our minds to,
And we got to do it.

3224
06:42:22,160 --> 06:42:22,160
and we've got to have the courage to figure it out and get these folks working.

3225
06:42:28,080 --> 06:42:28,080
and let's focus on this, and then we'll focus on other things besides.

3226
06:42:32,200 --> 06:42:35,760
thank you. Chairman johnson, recognized for one minute. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, I want to thank you for your leadership. I want to thank
You,

3227
06:42:39,920 --> 06:42:39,920
city manager, for your leadership. I agree politics has cost us a lot as embarrassed us.

3228
06:42:47,920 --> 06:42:47,920
it's been difficult. You've been lied on, city manager.

3229
06:42:52,200 --> 06:42:52,200
false things have been said about you publicly. You've been attacked,
But it comes along with the job.

3230
06:42:58,720 --> 06:43:01,520
mr. Mayor, I respect you and I appreciate you. Your leadership has shown throughout this process you're going through tough stuff,
Yet you maintained your integrity.

3231
06:43:07,920 --> 06:43:07,920
thank you for bringing these individuals independent studies.

3232
06:43:13,040 --> 06:43:13,040
what we've asked for to get the truth out yet,
And still, we still may have people that are trying to find fault.

3233
06:43:23,200 --> 06:43:23,200
the citizens of dallas are asking us to be fiscally responsible. They understand that it
May be a tough call,

3234
06:43:30,200 --> 06:43:30,200
but they just want to know the truth. Today,
The citizens of dallas are hearing the truth.

3235
06:43:35,880 --> 06:43:39,320
so thank you for being honest with our citizens. Mayor and city manager. I'm just going to add,
Before we get ready to go into executive session.

3236
06:43:48,440 --> 06:43:48,440
I want to join the folks who have already thanked our city manager for putting together a
Few briefings,

3237
06:43:57,840 --> 06:43:57,840
I think that were needed. And I think the quality of the people that you found to answer
Questions about

3238
06:44:08,090 --> 06:44:08,090
the costs associated with various options were,
Were excellent.

3239
06:44:13,930 --> 06:44:17,730
and I want to commend you for that. I want to commend them. Thank you for your expertise and being willing to work with us.

3240
06:44:21,330 --> 06:44:21,330
you know, I'm saying on behalf of the city we,
You know, our staff is good and I appreciate our staff.

3241
06:44:27,890 --> 06:44:27,890
sometimes we need help to look at things. We need outside help.

3242
06:44:32,490 --> 06:44:34,850
and I appreciate you being willing to do that for us. I appreciate the folks who aren't even here right now who have come before.

3243
06:44:39,530 --> 06:44:39,530
the only thing I want to say, because I think it just needs to be said at this point is,
And this is really more directed to my colleagues than to any of you.

3244
06:44:49,570 --> 06:44:49,570
so you're going to hear it, but it's really not for you. Guys,
I don't know if you've figured it out yet,

3245
06:44:55,970 --> 06:44:55,970
but the knives are out for our city. The knives are out for dallas.

3246
06:45:03,650 --> 06:45:03,650
we have a serious, serious situation on our hands.

3247
06:45:09,290 --> 06:45:09,290
we are in a very cut throat competition. I've been saying this for years now,
And I hope everybody who's been watching the news this week

3248
06:45:18,610 --> 06:45:18,610
understands that. I wasn't crying wolf like we are in a very serious competition and
People are,

3249
06:45:28,570 --> 06:45:28,570
as my colleague said, paying attention. They're watching what we're doing.

3250
06:45:33,010 --> 06:45:33,010
so here's what I would encourage us to do moving forward as it relates to this
Conversation today.

3251
06:45:39,570 --> 06:45:39,570
I mean, it is germane what I'm saying. I've been doing this legislating thing for a while
And I understand tactics.

3252
06:45:47,890 --> 06:45:47,890
I understand legislative debate. I don't begrudge anyone for doing what they felt like
They needed to do to try to prevail on a policy

3253
06:45:57,370 --> 06:45:57,370
point. But at some point, I think and I think we are at that point now,
Let's drop the tactic of questioning the

3254
06:46:07,210 --> 06:46:07,210
integrity of the data that's been presented and the people who presented it.

3255
06:46:12,570 --> 06:46:15,930
let's stop questioning their motives and their integrity. Let's stop questioning each other's motives and integrity.

3256
06:46:19,930 --> 06:46:19,930
let's come together now and literally evaluate the data we've been presented and make
Adult policy

3257
06:46:29,650 --> 06:46:29,650
decisions. I'm going to tell you what I think the decisions ought to be.

3258
06:46:33,690 --> 06:46:33,690
when we get to that point. I want to hear what you guys think the decisions ought to be,
But let them be our decisions and let's be respectful about it.

3259
06:46:41,010 --> 06:46:41,010
let's be grown up about it. But let's stop the tactic of questioning the integrity of the
Data itself,

3260
06:46:48,850 --> 06:46:51,690
the people who presented it to us, each other. And let's make a decision. And then when we make the decision,
This is this is how I was raised.

3261
06:46:57,810 --> 06:46:57,810
once the families made the decision, we walk out that door and we're a family.

3262
06:47:02,530 --> 06:47:05,570
it's it's dallas decision, no matter how the vote went. And we have to defend it to the hilt, and we have to do what we have to do.

3263
06:47:08,970 --> 06:47:08,970
because again, the wolf is at the door and the wolf is not in this room.

3264
06:47:14,850 --> 06:47:14,850
the wolf is not in this room. The wolf is up the tollway.

3265
06:47:19,690 --> 06:47:19,690
okay. So my advice is from this point on, we just make our decisions and then we roll.

3266
06:47:28,410 --> 06:47:28,410
but we can't. This has got to stop this questioning our integrity and questioning whether
Or not people are bringing us data for different reasons,

3267
06:47:36,770 --> 06:47:36,770
whatever the numbers are there. I'm telling you,
We need to just make our decisions and move forward.

3268
06:47:43,530 --> 06:47:47,210
so let's stop with that. Thank you again for the time. And I'm going to read this statutory language and we're going to get about our business.

3269
06:47:52,420 --> 06:47:52,420
it is 5:33 p.m. On june 3rd, 2026. The city council meeting will now go into closed
Session under section five,

3270
06:47:59,540 --> 06:47:59,540
51.07, one of the texas open meetings act, on the following matter described in today's
Agenda,

3271
06:48:04,060 --> 06:48:04,060
item number three and under sections 551.071551.07.

3272
06:48:08,420 --> 06:48:08,420
two of the texas open meetings act on the following matters describing today's agenda
Items number four and five.

3273
06:48:13,860 --> 06:48:13,860
so we will reconvene at 630. Okay. I'm told we

3274
06:48:23,820 --> 06:48:23,820
have a quorum. I trust you, madam secretary. City council meeting is complete.

3275
06:48:27,860 --> 06:48:27,860
it's closed session under sections 551.071551.07.

3276
06:48:33,060 --> 06:48:33,060
two of the texas open meetings act, and at 7:59 p.m.

3277
06:48:37,460 --> 06:48:39,860
on june 3rd, 2026, we return to open session. Madam secretary. Mr. Mayor, there's there are no further business for this meeting.

3278
06:48:44,460 --> 06:48:47,420
all right. Then there being no further business at 759. We're adjourned. Thank you.