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You know, an hour from now and we'll call to order the special call

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meeting at ten oh three. So we are now, uh, in the

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special call meeting, and I'll turn it over to our city manager, um,

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to lead us through our briefing agenda for today. Madam city manager. Thank

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you, mr. Be and good morning to the city council. The first item on the agenda for the special call meeting

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is a presentation on the financial analysis and funding considerations

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for priority of our public safety facilities, potential relocation of

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9 1 1 and our emergency operation center potential repair plans

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for city hall and potential relocation. All of these items

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have previously been briefed and discussed with the city council, either an open session

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or executive session, and we were asked to return to discuss financial

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considerations in a much more deeper perspective and be able to bring

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that back to you. I do wanna take an opportunity to

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make some additional comments.

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since 1978, when dallas city hall opened, the city has historically underinvested

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and underfunded maintenance repairs and modern updates in this building.

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we understand why the focus has always been

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on making sure that the priorities of our residents, whether public safety,

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parks, libraries, and streets were important, and these

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priorities, united councils to pass budgets and fund fund programs

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that supported those priorities. Now, 48

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years later, in 2026, you face a huge

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decision because of those priorities.

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and so I wanna give you a quick reminder of the process.

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in may and june of 20 25, 6 months after I was appointed

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as the interim city manager, I brought to this council a

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briefing, documenting the urgent need to reinvest in our

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public facilities, including city hall. In

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august of 2025, mayor johnson directed the council finance

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committee to examine city hall's conditions and began exploring

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financially responsible options. In october, 2025,

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staff engaged outside experts who came and reported on deferred

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maintenance needs and structural repairs, roof, hvac, electrical

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and plumbing, and we provided to this city council and estimate between

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152,000,340 5 million

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in november of 2025. This council directed the

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city manager to evaluate the possibility of how we could look at

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key other city departments and where they operated, and whether lease

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and or buying or building office space was the essential.

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in december of 2025, I engaged the dallas

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economic development corporation and a team of more than 80 professional experts

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who spent hundreds of hours inside this building. They inspected

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systems and structures so that we could move from, from the

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evidence that we were told did not have facts and bring the data

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to the city council. In february of 2026,

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those findings were presented first to the finance committee and

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later to the full city council. The analysis concluded

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that restoration and repairs to the building, just to bring it up to code,

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was an estimated three hundred and twenty nine twenty 9 million,

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and that did not include code or a da repairs.

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the council asked for more information. March 4th, 2026.

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I then engaged a set of new consultants to come and validate the work,

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refine the scope, and recommend as council requested a

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10 year phased repair plan. Even with shorter plans in

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the addition of construction efficiencies, those consultants have now

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reported that projected costs are between 532 million

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and 614 million over the next decade.

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so today's information is to help you have that deeper

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understanding of the financials and how you consider this important

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decision. But it is not because staff has not provided this city

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council with the information that you have requested.

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we understand that these decisions affect our residents, our taxpayers, public safety,

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economic development, and so much more. And we understand that these

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decisions are hard and how we plan today for the city

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for the future. And at this time, I'll turn it over to our chief financial

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officer, jack ireland, to deliver today's briefing. Thank you.

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good morning, mayor and members of the city council, and thank you ms. Tolbert.

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so, beginning the presentation as ms. Tolbert mentioned, uh, on slide

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two, we will talk through public safety facility needs, which has been

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a question, uh, discuss potential relocation of 9 1 1

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emergency operation center, uh, potential relocation

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of city hall potential repair program for city hall, and bringing

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this information to you at the request of the city council to bring

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the financial information to you at one time. So in slide three,

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as we started working on this, we knew it was important to be mindful of

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many things, mindful of our taxpayers, mindful of any impact on public

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safety, on core city services, how we deliver and implement

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the 2024 bond program, what opportunities we have for economic

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development and growth of our tax base, impact on our debt

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and future debt capacity, as well as our impact on our current

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and future annual operating budgets. And so if we turn to slide four,

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thinking about our current and, uh, upcoming annual

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budgets, just wanted to pull a slide that we shared with you on may the sixth

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that talked about some of the challenges that we face from a financial perspective

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for our annual budget. As you know, uh, we have limitations

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on our property tax revenue because of state cap, and the state

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is also considering expanding that cap. Uh, we

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have sales tax that this year we've seen some contraction and some,

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uh, less revenue than we had anticipated. We anticipate that

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that will continue. As you know, we continue to work on meet and confer agreements to

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ensure, uh, with our police and fire uniform employees that we have competitive,

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uh, salaries. Uh, our pension contributions, which we've spoken about

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and which we'll speak about, uh, as part of this presentation, those costs,

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uh, will grow as we, uh, implement the funding plan that

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this council and the board approved. We have, we know that we have a goal of

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hiring more police officers. We have to stay competitive with our

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non-uniform salaries. We've seen this year a rising cost in our employee

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health benefits. Uh, we are here partly because of deferred,

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uh, facility maintenance. And even after this facility is addressed,

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there is deferred maintenance in all of our other hundreds of buildings that the

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city operates. Uh, we do anticipate elimination of

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reduction in federal funds, and then there's a lot of uncertainty about the

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economic condition, uh, whether it's inflation, tariffs, supply chain, and other types

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of factors. So we realize and know and shared with you on

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march, may the sixth, the challenges that we'll be facing. I'm sorry,

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jack. I need to, um, for us to stand at ease for a

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yeah, we have to switch the broadcast over from one meeting to

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minute. Well, thanks for your patience.

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this webinar is being transcribed and summarized.

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okay. I am told that the broadcast is back up. Um, so go ahead, jack. Thank you.

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yeah, thank you sir. So, continuing on slide five. Uh, after

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we look at things on slide four that, uh, we're challenged with, we

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just laid out on may the sixth, some of the ways that we'll be addressing the budget. I'm

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not gonna read through all of those, but these are items that we presented on may 6th.

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that will be our approach as we go through development of, uh, the

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budget. So I wanted to shift gears, and

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it may seem outta place, but it is relevant, very relevant, uh, starting

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on page, uh, seven to talk about pension obligation bonds, because

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part of this conversation is about our ability to issue debt.

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and so one of the factors regarding the issuance of debt

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is we have held about $500 million of capacity

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in our debt service model for potential pension obligation

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bonds. So we wanted to talk about that

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and the impact that it could have on the other parts of this presentation.

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so, just as a reminder, on page seven, we have two employee retirement funds,

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uh, the dallas police and fire, as well as the non-uniform system.

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the texas pension review board has oversight of those. Uh, the city council

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has approved plans for both of the two systems that meet the state's

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requirement to be fully funded within 30 years. However, the,

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uh, contributions to dallas police and fire pension system do become pretty significant

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in the future. So moving to page eight, we had, uh,

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considered pension obligation bonds, which are taxable bonds

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that some state and local governments have issued as part of an overall

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strategy to fund the unfunded pension liability. And the unfunded

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pension liability in dallas police and fire is approaching $4 billion.

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now, we have a plan to pay that over 30 years. However,

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if we wanted to, uh, advance that and pay some of that

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down through pension obligation bond, that provides an opportunity.

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however, the use of pension obligation bonds rest on the assumption that

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the bond proceeds when you invest those, that they will have a

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higher yield than the cost of borrowing.

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it is all about the timing in the market that you are borrowing the pension

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obligation bonds at a lower rate than the pension system

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is able to invest and earn more money. We

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have used pension obligation bonds in the past. We issued about $500 million

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for the employee retirement fund, the civilian non-uniform fund back in

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2005. So the city has used that previously as a tool.

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so this was something that was in our conversation on may the sixth,

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and it was asked that we take this to a joint committee of finance and

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the pension ad hoc committee. That meeting was held on may the 21st.

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the joint committee did review the materials and ask that it come back

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to the full city council for consideration. That's why it's

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included in this presentation and relevant for debt modeling. So

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on page nine, just a little snapshot of dallas police and fire pension system,

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you can see the funding ratio and the years to be fully funded in the past.

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and especially on the chart on the left, you'll see that we are now under

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the 30 year funding requirement. That is a projection because of the

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new funding agreement that we have in place.

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so moving to slide 10, we did list out a couple of advantages

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and a couple of cautions related to pension obligation bonds.

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primarily, uh, at the advantage is again, capturing that

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positive arbitrage. If the investment returns exceed

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the cost of borrowing. And for dallas, what that means is that we would be

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able to reduce our contribution from the general fund over

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to the dallas police and fire pension system, and we would be paying for

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those bonds through our debt service fund. So it gives some

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relief to the general fund. Now, there are cautions, the

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gfoa or government finance officer association, they do not

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recommend use of pob, uh, primarily because of the risk associated

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with, uh, will the investment returns really exceed the cost.

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that is a risk. It's something that you need to be mindful of. Uh,

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also they cite that issuing pension obligation bonds takes away from your

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ability to do other capital projects. That's why we're having the conversation because

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it is a factor in your debt model. Uh, pabs tend

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to be complex, uh, in the way they're, uh, typically amortized

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over time and rating agencies may not view them as,

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uh, credit positive. However, uh, irving has maintained their

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aaa bond rating, and they did issue pension obligation bonds within the last,

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uh, five years. So, moving to slide 11, a

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little more information about the dallas police and fire pension system, their history

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of return on investment. So as we think about whether we should borrow money

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or not, how much will the, uh, pension system be able to

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earn once they get the cash? And so we've just shown some,

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uh, background, some of their history back to 2006. Since

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2006, they've had 11 years where they have been better than

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their assumed rate of return, which is 6.5%, and they've

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had nine years where they've earned less than that. The goal is that they need to average

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at that 6.5 over time. Uh, their most recent

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five year, uh, average has been 5.07 or 10

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year averages, 3.12. And that's compared

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to a current market. The market condition really is an ideal

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for issuing pension obligation bonds. Uh, right now in the market, it would cost

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probably 6% or more to borrow. And the pension system,

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uh, at least on a five and 10 year basis, has not achieved that

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rate of return. However, in the middle of the page, you'll see that the last three years

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in 25, they actually earned 15%, nearly 10%

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in 24, and nearly 14% in 23. So as

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all of us have investments, and those go up and down, and you see that in your own statements,

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the pension system similarly, uh, is, um, following

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the market. And you will see, uh, the years that they do well and other years

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they do not perform as well. Moving to slide 12 and

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13, what I wanted to show is we ask our, uh, actuary the city's actuaries,

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deloitte, and we ask them to model some scenarios. And so slide

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12 provides one scenario showing what savings

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we would have in the general fund if we issued pension

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obligation bonds, and we could reduce our contribution from the, can we stop just one second, jack and

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yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at a hard copy, but I just noticed, I think the presentation

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okay. We can go ahead, jack. Thank you. So continuing

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on slide 12, uh, just a scenario showing that we would potentially

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have savings in the general fund. And based upon,

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um, the pension system being able to invest and earn 6.5%

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interest, it would be a save a net savings to the city, uh, depending

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upon what rate of return they get. On slide 13, uh, deloitte modeled

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a scenario where this pension system does not earn as much.

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uh, it still saves the general fund, but there is a net

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cost if the pension system has losses detail on both the

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scenarios are in the appendix. So sorry, just to, uh,

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those slides I'll summarize on slide 14 and move on to the more

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important points of the conversation. Uh, the joint funding agreement that

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the city has with, uh, d-p-f-p-s, uh, was approved

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in december. The funding agreement satisfies the requirements, and as

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long as we continue to make our contributions, the the plan works.

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however, if you want an opportunity to potentially reduce the cost

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in the general fund, uh, transfer some of that cost to

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the debt service fund, pension obligation bonds as a way of doing that,

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however, it comes with risk being able to earn more

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than what we're paying on the debt. So I'll move on to the public

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safety facility needs, and that will show why pension obligation

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bonds matter. So on slide 16, as

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we talk about public safety facility needs and, uh, needs inventory was used

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to develop the 24, uh, bond program, and there was $727 million

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worth of public safety needs that were included in that needs inventory.

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the voters authorized 90 million for public safety. The projects

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included the police academy, fire station 43 replacement, fire station

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11 renovation, and various police and fire locations for

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different types of renovations and repairs for the $90 million.

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so now, uh, several years later, what,

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uh, priority projects do we have that could be addressed through

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a bond program that do need additional funding? There have been numerous, uh,

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conversations about the law enforcement training center at unt dallas

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having a shortfall. We've had a conversation about expanding

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that program to include a new public safety training complex. We've

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recently had conversations about 9 1 1, an emergency operations center

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that are located in this building and would be better suited to be relocated.

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we also have issues with the current police property room,

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uh, crime scene facility, and evidentiary vehicle storage that we want

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to talk about in then fire station number four replacement. So I'll go into each of

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those on the next couple of slides as we talk about the priority public safety

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program. So on slide 17, uh, this is

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information that's been updated for the, uh, two facilities.

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the, uh, law enforcement training center on the left, the public safety

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training complex on the right, $227 million for one and $170 million.

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on the second on page 18, uh, we did update,

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uh, the next steps, uh, for each of those projects with the

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law enforcement training center. Uh, the, the

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most updated cost is $227 million in total.

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a guaranteed maximum price agreement is currently being evaluated

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and should be brought before the council in august for approval. And

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then there would be additional gmps later for the public safety training

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complex. Uh, depending upon the direction about funding, we would

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know how to proceed with that facility or not.

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so on slide 19, just a summary of the funding for

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the law enforcement training center, uh, at unt

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campus. Uh, you'll see that we have the $50 million from the 24

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bond program. We have the state grant that you're aware of. There's work being done

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towards the private funds that are being, uh, raised for the project. And

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there's an $82 million, uh, shortfall on the project

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on slide, uh, 20 similar, uh, this was not

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a project that was anticipated at the time of the 24 bond program. It has

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been something that has been discussed and developed since then to go ahead

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and do that secondary, uh, facility. The public safety training

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complex, uh, potential sources of funds are outlined here,

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aviation department, uh, some enabling costs. And so this assumption,

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uh, is that it would be located at the executive airport

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and aviation would contribute some of the cost associated with the

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project. There's sponsorship opportunities for a total of $170 million,

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uh, with 1 49 of that being unfunded, uh, and something

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that could be considered for a bond program. So the 9 1 1

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emergency operations center, again, that's located here at, uh, 1500 marilla

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in the basement, is not ideally situated and could be,

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uh, improved by being located at another site. Uh,

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we believe after much research on this, that use of an

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existing city facility may be the most appropriate path forward.

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if so, the cost associated to relocate is about $40 million.

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on slide 22, uh, we have talked less about these. However, we did

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include this in the, uh, either the april or the may

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briefing, uh, that we did to council. Um, but the property room that's

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located down at 1725 baylor is, uh,

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undersized. It does not meet the current needs, and it has, uh,

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some significant improvement in repair issues. And then

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the evidentiary vehicle storage is located at 1955

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veil big or the former auto pound, uh, several years ago now,

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we started an effort to outsource the auto pound, but we

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are still, uh, maintaining those evidentiary

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vehicles on that site, which is standing in the way of being able to develop

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that site or sell that site. So, um, that is an opportunity.

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uh, there. Um, on slide 23, the bond office

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worked with the police department on the needs for this, uh, joint

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facility. Uh, specifically they were asking for 31 acres,

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two buildings, enough space for 2,800, uh, vehicle

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storage sites, et cetera. And so on. Slide 24,

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just looking at the cost of those, uh, and this is preliminary

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steel, but if we use the il bigg property and move the other operations

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and keep that property, or at least keep part of that property, uh, the

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cost for, uh, the joint facility, uh, with the property

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room, crime room and evidentiary storage would

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be about $150 million. If we look at using another site,

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and we have to do a lot of site work, including, uh, the pavement for

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the 2,800, uh, parking, et cetera, it, it does drive the

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cost up on slide 25, another

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facility that we believe is a, uh, priority is fire station number four.

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it's back here behind the building just to the south of city hall at eight

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16 south akron street. Uh, based on the implementation of the

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convention center master plan and the anticipated development of the 31 acres

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that become available, replacement of this fire station, uh, therefore

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would be a priority before spring of 29 at a cost of about $20 million.

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so on slide 26, you'll see a summary of the

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priority public safety facility needs law enforcement training center

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at 82 million to fill that gap. Public safety training

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complex that was not considered, uh, when we did the 24 bond program, almost

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150 relocating 9 1 1 and eeoc out

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of city hall, uh, 40 million, uh, a joint facility

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for property room and evidentiary vehicles 150 and fire station

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four at 20 for a total of $441 million for

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priority public safety needs. So

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typically we pay for capital infrastructure through bond programs.

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so on slide 27, just grabbed a slide that we talked about, uh,

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in may about our bond program. Typically, we use the

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bond program for all of our capital improvements, whether it's streets, floods, storm,

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uh, our public safety. Uh, property tax is the revenue source that's

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pledged to use, uh, for payment of the principle and interest. Uh,

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we go through our debt capacity analysis looking at our existing debt,

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uh, debt that's already been approved by the voters, but not yet issued. What is our current

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and projected property values? What is our tax rate? Are we going to change the

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tax rate or keep it the same? What other, uh, capital

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or debt needs do we have? And, and what's the economic condition and the

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cost to borrow? So on slide 28, I just wanted

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to drop this in to remind everyone of the, uh, 2024 bond

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program, the fiscal year, or fy 25 column that says year

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one, we have issued those bonds. That 250 has been issued the fy

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26 year two, those bonds have been issued. We're currently,

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uh, planning, unless things change based upon direction from council,

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uh, to issue $250 million for the third year, fourth year and fifth

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year. So $750 million over the next three years

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to complete the 24 bond program. However, moving to the next

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slide, uh, this has expanded on from our may the,

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uh, sixth conversation. Um, and this is

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in the middle. Green is the may 6th, uh, conversation where we

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had the remaining, uh, $750 million in

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the 24 bonds. We had 500 million for pension obligation bonds.

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we had 250 million at that time that we were thinking was the number just

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associated with the police academy components.

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uh, and then we had a future 2029 bond program. If you go

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over to the right, uh, starting at column k through

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o, you'll see how that has been updated.

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so in the update the pension obligation bonds to

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mitigate the risk of when you borrow, uh, spread that out over multiple

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years, rather than entering the market at one time and spread that over

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three tranches similar in the public safety, instead

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of it being 250, it's been increased by 191 million

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to get the, to the $441 million. What the

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impact of those changes are, it slowed down the

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24 bond program a little bit more. It still requires four years

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instead of the three, and then it did reduce the 29 bond program

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by about a hundred million dollars. So if we go forward

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with a pension obligation bond using this issuance schedule,

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and we insert $441 million of public safety,

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this would be the preliminary schedule of how those bonds would be issued

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on the next slide. Said the same thing in words rather than a table. But

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the table on the previous slide, again, it adds 191 million

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to the two 50 that we talked about in may for $441 million

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for public safety. It changes the pension obligation bonds

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from a one year issuance, one tranche to three tranches.

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uh, it continued the $750 million for 24

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bond program, but it spread over four years and the reduction of a hundred

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million dollars in the 29 bond program. So

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a scenario would allow, if the council chose to call an

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election for november 3rd, has to be called by august the 12th

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for $500 million worth of pension obligation bonds, and $441 million

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worth of, uh, public safety bonds for the priority

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projects that we just talked through. So, shifting away from those public

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safety needs and to potential repair plans for city hall.

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on slide 32, just as a reminder, the march 4th action

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that was, uh, directing the city manager to bring back some

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phased, uh, repair programs. Uh, the city manager,

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uh, chose to engage outside industry experts to conduct

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that work. Uh, bringing in grisham smith and wm two company,

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cbre, of course, has been working with us through the process. We've had a couple of

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briefings may 20th on phase one and june 3rd on phase two,

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and you'll see some of those same slides from june 3rd on the next,

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uh, four or five slides. So on slide 33 from grisham

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smith's june 3rd presentation, they provided a draw schedule, uh,

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for a 6.4 year scenario that costs 4 530

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$1 million and a 10 year scenario for $556 million.

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so their bottom line is on page 34, again, the dollar amounts listed there.

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wm two company looking at the same information. Uh, they proposed two

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different scenarios. One was a five year implementation for 591 million,

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and then on slide 36, a 10 year scenario, uh, for

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611 million. So again, there, there two

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scenarios are shown on slide 37, 5 91 to six 10.

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so on slide 38, this is a summary from, uh, the presentation

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on june 3rd, and it lays out the four scenarios that

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you received on june 3rd and compared those to the edc

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information that you had, uh, received previously. And so these

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are just laid out showing the top row being the corrective

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repairs, the repairs necessary to, uh, just, I believe the term

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is a warm lit shell. Uh, but then there's additional cost for

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interiors, uh, furniture fixture and equipment technology,

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and those type of costs that would get added to for a total capital

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that's kind of shaded in a little bit of a pinkish color, I guess

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across about the middle of the page, if we borrow funds to do it, there is

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interest cost associated with this. If we do not borrow funds, then there's

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not interest cost associated with it. Uh, the scenarios that

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were provided did indicate that we would need some swing space because

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parts of the building would need to be, uh, left during parts of

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the renovation. So swing costs are listed as well as 20 year

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operating costs. So this is the cost for utilities, custodial

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security, and this is a 20 year cost. And so a lot of times when people hear the

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number, hold, hold on one second. Sorry. Of a billion dollars. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. I know you were, you were flowing

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there, but I think we have another technical issue. I just wanna make sure

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it looks like we got a screensaver up again.

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is it me, ? Okay. Just, um,

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we'll stand at ease for just another couple minutes until we get a,

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an update from the tech folks about how long it'll take to get this fixed. Hold

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on.

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yes, we're online and ready to go, mayor.

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all right. Uh, jack, we're back up and running, so you can go. Great. Thank you.

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continue, please. So, I was about to say on the bottom of slide 34

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that, um, a lot of the conversation is about billion dollar plus

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project, but remember that includes the corrective repairs,

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the additional capital cost for modernization, as well as the

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cost of borrowing the funds, as well as swing space, as well

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as 20 years of operating costs. All of that together is what is

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in that bottom row or the total. So for the next couple

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of slides, uh, the column that has the, the red box

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around it, the grisham smith option two is the option that I

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pulled forward, not because it's a recommended option, but because it's, the cost

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was kind of in the middle. And so I took that and we worked, uh,

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to spread that cost out over the 10 year implementation based upon

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the timing of their project. So on slide 39,

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you'll see instead of, uh, you'll see it in years across

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the column. So year one, the total cost, 113 million bottom

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line, uh, year two, $173 million, bottom line,

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et cetera. And you can see that going across for a total of 1.5,

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uh, billion dollars. Again, in the middle of the page is the capital

456
00:37:36,595 --> 00:37:40,405
cost associated with the repair. The road directly below that

457
00:37:41,085 --> 00:37:44,635
interest is if you choose to issue debt to make those repairs,

458
00:37:45,425 --> 00:37:48,605
or if not, and you do it with cash, then it's 769.8,

459
00:37:50,535 --> 00:37:54,405
which is in the far right column with the red box around it. So that gets you

460
00:37:54,565 --> 00:37:58,485
the corrective repairs as well as the modernization, uh, over this

461
00:37:58,825 --> 00:38:00,165
10 year period for $769.8 million.

462
00:38:03,905 --> 00:38:07,455
so moving on to the, the next slide on slide 40,

463
00:38:08,945 --> 00:38:12,945
if the council, uh, wanted to, uh, issue debt to

464
00:38:13,185 --> 00:38:17,065
pay for the $769 million, it

465
00:38:17,315 --> 00:38:20,245
does have the interest. The interest cost is about $456 million

466
00:38:22,115 --> 00:38:25,945
over the 20 year period. I did not assume that we borrowed it

467
00:38:26,165 --> 00:38:29,995
all at once, but rather that we borrowed it in six tranches that

468
00:38:30,285 --> 00:38:34,125
kind of matched the 10 year implementation schedule. Uh, the tranches

469
00:38:34,625 --> 00:38:38,605
are listed there on the right of how much we would need to borrow in each

470
00:38:38,805 --> 00:38:42,125
year to follow the schedule that gresham smith laid out

471
00:38:42,905 --> 00:38:46,905
on slide 41. If we did that, what would the impact be?

472
00:38:47,305 --> 00:38:51,285
so the same as changes you make in pension obligation bonds affects debt capacity.

473
00:38:51,875 --> 00:38:55,745
what does issuing $769 million of

474
00:38:55,995 --> 00:38:59,685
debt to do the 10 year repair program, what impact does that have?

475
00:39:00,395 --> 00:39:03,525
well, again, I factored in the public safety, which we talked about.

476
00:39:04,565 --> 00:39:08,285
I factored in the three year trache, three tranches of pension obligation

477
00:39:08,895 --> 00:39:12,585
bonds. It would require slowing down the 24

478
00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:17,265
bond program even more. Instead of just slowing it from three to four years, it

479
00:39:17,485 --> 00:39:21,285
would actually spread it out to six years because it puts some of the city hall

480
00:39:21,635 --> 00:39:25,565
repairs ahead. It's just a timing. What do you do? First, I

481
00:39:25,845 --> 00:39:29,605
followed the gresham smith, uh, implementation schedule. So that

482
00:39:30,095 --> 00:39:33,885
would result in some slowdown, further slowdown of the 24 bond program.

483
00:39:35,225 --> 00:39:38,805
and then it would delay implementation of a future bond program

484
00:39:39,715 --> 00:39:43,405
instead of it being a 1.2 or $1.1 billion program,

485
00:39:43,995 --> 00:39:46,125
because you use all the capacity for $770 million

486
00:39:48,025 --> 00:39:51,965
for city hall, it drops your other bond propositions down

487
00:39:52,265 --> 00:39:56,085
to just $330 million. So, uh, again, it's about

488
00:39:56,285 --> 00:39:59,495
the same amount. 769 for city hall, 330

489
00:40:00,705 --> 00:40:04,595
for other propositions is the $1.1 billion. That

490
00:40:04,885 --> 00:40:08,775
could be for a future bond proposition. But if you carve

491
00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:13,085
out part of that for city hall, it, it limits what other capacity

492
00:40:13,465 --> 00:40:16,845
you have in this scenario. In addition to the 500 million,

493
00:40:18,065 --> 00:40:21,625
uh, pension obligation bonds, the 441 million, uh,

494
00:40:22,245 --> 00:40:24,855
priority public safety facilities, if you added another $769.8 million

495
00:40:27,785 --> 00:40:31,395
for a general obligation program, uh, for city hall repairs,

496
00:40:31,905 --> 00:40:34,685
it would take, uh, the election up to $1.7 billion.

497
00:40:38,785 --> 00:40:42,525
so moving to slide 42, thinking about not doing

498
00:40:42,825 --> 00:40:46,745
it with debt because that is a lot of debt, uh, but

499
00:40:47,295 --> 00:40:51,145
doing it with cash instead, uh, what is the impact of

500
00:40:51,365 --> 00:40:53,745
that? Um, so

501
00:40:57,795 --> 00:41:01,465
yeah, sorry about that. Uh, so to fund the corrective repairs of

502
00:41:01,865 --> 00:41:05,655
the $769.8 million, uh, based

503
00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:09,205
upon their 10 year schedule, uh, it does add significant

504
00:41:10,105 --> 00:41:13,945
impact or pressure on the annual operating budget. Uh,

505
00:41:14,305 --> 00:41:17,955
and so $152.4 million is the peak

506
00:41:18,475 --> 00:41:22,395
year of that. And so the next couple of slides talk

507
00:41:22,685 --> 00:41:26,525
about $152.4 million. This is not a recommendation.

508
00:41:27,475 --> 00:41:31,445
it's, we wouldn't do all of these things. It's just a math exercise of what

509
00:41:31,765 --> 00:41:35,605
$152.4 million equals. And so

510
00:41:35,865 --> 00:41:39,665
moving on to slide, uh, 44, uh,

511
00:41:40,145 --> 00:41:42,965
you see what that would be. So $152.4 million

512
00:41:45,665 --> 00:41:49,445
if you were to, again, a math exercise, uh, increase

513
00:41:49,705 --> 00:41:53,665
the property tax rate to generate that, that's about 7 cents, uh,

514
00:41:53,885 --> 00:41:55,645
because each 1 cent is $22.1 million.

515
00:41:57,905 --> 00:42:01,605
uh, I know we've worked really hard to get the tax rate down, uh, but this would

516
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:06,005
increase it back, uh, exceeding the three, uh, 0.5,

517
00:42:06,865 --> 00:42:10,825
uh, percent cap that the, uh, vote the state has

518
00:42:11,045 --> 00:42:14,565
in place would probably be triggered. And we would require an election,

519
00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:18,485
uh, to even do that, uh, to raise the tax rate that much.

520
00:42:19,305 --> 00:42:22,965
um, 6.90 cents on the median valued

521
00:42:23,395 --> 00:42:25,585
home in the city is an increase of $212,

522
00:42:27,825 --> 00:42:31,405
uh, in a tax bill. Slide 45. If instead

523
00:42:31,845 --> 00:42:35,845
of looking at a tax rate increase, which is our primary revenue, if we decreased

524
00:42:36,405 --> 00:42:39,965
operating expenses, uh, to achieve $152 million savings

525
00:42:40,545 --> 00:42:44,405
for that peak year, what does that mean? Well, a held harmless

526
00:42:44,985 --> 00:42:48,335
police and fire, uh, and that left $751 million

527
00:42:50,185 --> 00:42:54,045
in other departments, uh, that would take a 20% cut to all of the other departments.

528
00:42:55,185 --> 00:42:58,835
uh, or if we just started eliminating departments, uh, eliminating

529
00:42:59,545 --> 00:43:03,365
all of the administrative, uh, departments of budget controller, civil service,

530
00:43:03,795 --> 00:43:07,605
data analytics, hr communications, government affairs and purchasing,

531
00:43:08,395 --> 00:43:12,165
that gets you $45 million to eliminate everything. And nobody gets

532
00:43:12,475 --> 00:43:16,405
paid and nobody gets hired and bills don't get paid, and all kinds of things don't happen.

533
00:43:16,875 --> 00:43:20,765
similar, if you eliminate, uh, mayor city council and all the appointed offices,

534
00:43:21,145 --> 00:43:25,085
that's $50 million. So eliminating all that together doesn't get

535
00:43:25,245 --> 00:43:29,045
you close. Uh, slide 46. Another way of looking at it

536
00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:33,165
is, uh, what are our core services versus what are our quality of life

537
00:43:33,725 --> 00:43:37,605
services? So, uh, picking on, uh, three of our favorites, park and recreation

538
00:43:38,045 --> 00:43:41,925
library and, uh, arts and culture, um, it would take an 86%

539
00:43:42,865 --> 00:43:46,765
cut of those if you're just cutting those departments. Uh, again, this is

540
00:43:46,965 --> 00:43:50,845
a math exercise. What, what does, what do things add up to to get to

541
00:43:51,005 --> 00:43:54,965
$152 million if you wanted to just eliminate employees,

542
00:43:55,385 --> 00:43:59,095
that's about 2200 employees out of the general fund, or about,

543
00:44:00,185 --> 00:44:04,165
uh, four out of every 10 general fund civilian employees,

544
00:44:04,405 --> 00:44:07,705
not police, not fire, but civilian employees. Um,

545
00:44:08,825 --> 00:44:12,805
and cutting four out of every 10 employees means you cut

546
00:44:13,325 --> 00:44:17,185
services because it's the employees that provide the services. So,

547
00:44:17,505 --> 00:44:21,355
to do this, it's a combination of all this, whether it is some,

548
00:44:21,745 --> 00:44:24,965
uh, revenue increase, some expense reduction,

549
00:44:25,755 --> 00:44:29,255
some debt, uh, together provides you different, uh, strategies

550
00:44:30,065 --> 00:44:33,685
to approach it. Um, it's, it's a, you know,

551
00:44:34,085 --> 00:44:37,845
a cafeteria of opportunities on which you select and what you put

552
00:44:38,165 --> 00:44:41,885
together to do that type of plan. And so, moving now from repairing

553
00:44:42,485 --> 00:44:45,325
city hall to relocating city hall, and I asked my friend peter jensen,

554
00:44:46,625 --> 00:44:50,305
who I think is close by to come walk through, uh, three slides,

555
00:44:50,945 --> 00:44:54,685
uh, talking about their engagement as they looked at the market

556
00:44:55,585 --> 00:44:57,685
for, uh, city hall relocation.

557
00:45:01,315 --> 00:45:05,285
good morning, mr. Mayor, council members, thank you for the opportunity to speak

558
00:45:05,605 --> 00:45:09,525
to you again today. Uh, the city tasks, cbre

559
00:45:10,085 --> 00:45:13,725
with exploring the market, um, and finding indicative results,

560
00:45:14,585 --> 00:45:18,525
um, for potential relocation scenarios. So I'm gonna walk you through some of our

561
00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:22,685
market findings today. These are expounding upon some earlier slides as our

562
00:45:22,885 --> 00:45:26,805
data has progressively increased in quality, uh, over the

563
00:45:26,965 --> 00:45:30,585
past six months. Um, first of all, the

564
00:45:31,085 --> 00:45:34,945
relocation costs that that will be presented in executive session and, um,

565
00:45:35,665 --> 00:45:39,625
are a holistic review of all applicable costs and

566
00:45:40,345 --> 00:45:43,965
our directional findings, that there's material savings opportunity that ought to be

567
00:45:44,605 --> 00:45:48,405
explored further. And that's in all scenarios, all six

568
00:45:48,645 --> 00:45:52,465
of the benchmark scenarios that have been presented to city council and the public

569
00:45:52,685 --> 00:45:56,555
to date. The methodology includes all of the opportunity costs,

570
00:45:57,625 --> 00:46:01,065
consolidation of owned assets where appropriate lease eliminations and terminations

571
00:46:01,705 --> 00:46:05,425
where appropriate, looking at the city's portfolio, the building conditions

572
00:46:05,985 --> 00:46:09,825
of relocation, candidates necessary upgrades and appropriate reserves

573
00:46:10,485 --> 00:46:14,065
for 20 years. Uh, that's important because we are no longer

574
00:46:14,705 --> 00:46:18,535
forecasting, um, and, and carrying forth models that,

575
00:46:19,245 --> 00:46:23,205
uh, have zero reserves going into the city's assets. So

576
00:46:23,685 --> 00:46:27,665
in these city hall scenarios, we're carrying appropriate reserves every year so that

577
00:46:27,845 --> 00:46:31,785
you're not in these types of situations again. But the most important

578
00:46:32,185 --> 00:46:35,985
thing is that it's an apples to apples comparison, and that's what we were tasked to do.

579
00:46:37,205 --> 00:46:40,885
um, I want to also correct a prevailing narrative that the

580
00:46:41,225 --> 00:46:45,015
city is committed to leasing in perpetuity. We were tasked with exploring

581
00:46:45,625 --> 00:46:49,345
the market for all acquisition scenarios, joint ventures, lease

582
00:46:49,685 --> 00:46:53,145
to own leasing is of course one of those viable scenarios,

583
00:46:53,845 --> 00:46:57,785
um, and one that deserves exploration. That's what we've done. But there is no commitment

584
00:46:58,365 --> 00:47:02,225
and no policy direction being given to us to only consider

585
00:47:02,385 --> 00:47:06,285
lease scenarios. But, um, as a steward of the public trust and

586
00:47:06,505 --> 00:47:10,265
a fiduciary, of course, exploring those is a noble, uh, effort.

587
00:47:11,805 --> 00:47:15,065
but the market has not limited the city to only leasehold interest

588
00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:22,525
for our work to advance. There needs to be given a directive to go

589
00:47:22,705 --> 00:47:26,625
and, and negotiate. Um, negotiations always can be terminated, but,

590
00:47:27,105 --> 00:47:30,925
um, the indicative findings are that there are compelling opportunities and solutions

591
00:47:31,365 --> 00:47:35,285
available, um, but other activities need to occur to bring forth final

592
00:47:35,605 --> 00:47:39,525
numbers. Lastly, I just wanna

593
00:47:39,685 --> 00:47:43,645
point out there, there's been a lot of activity in downtown, um, both good and

594
00:47:43,805 --> 00:47:47,705
bad, um, depending on your perspective and your position in the market. Um,

595
00:47:48,185 --> 00:47:52,125
but from a, um, vacancy standpoint, from a,

596
00:47:52,825 --> 00:47:56,505
uh, let's, uh, buy low sell high, so to speak, um,

597
00:47:57,715 --> 00:48:01,645
like mr. Buffet advises, uh, this is an excellent time for the

598
00:48:01,765 --> 00:48:05,525
city to be in the market, and that has been proven over and over in our exploration

599
00:48:06,285 --> 00:48:10,145
work. Uh, if you just look at the cost of new construction and

600
00:48:10,385 --> 00:48:14,385
the assessed values of various buildings in downtown, um,

601
00:48:14,705 --> 00:48:18,245
you can see that a lot of them are assessed at probably 10 to 15%

602
00:48:18,965 --> 00:48:22,865
of new construction costs. Um, and I think that's a very interesting, uh, way

603
00:48:23,085 --> 00:48:24,845
to look at this next slide, please.

604
00:48:27,585 --> 00:48:31,405
uh, again, just a little bit of backdrop on the comparative analysis with the market. Uh, we've

605
00:48:31,725 --> 00:48:35,615
collected some real time data. We have real time data on cost inputs. We've

606
00:48:35,965 --> 00:48:39,965
applied the same per square foot cost to all of the scenarios. There's been no cherry picking of data,

607
00:48:40,785 --> 00:48:44,765
um, parking garages, whether new construction or leasing

608
00:48:45,045 --> 00:48:48,965
spaces for a short term or long term. Those have all been evaluated. We're carrying

609
00:48:49,235 --> 00:48:53,165
some, um, estimates for city council chambers. Obviously, a

610
00:48:53,285 --> 00:48:57,125
public facing space is very important. Uh, we're carrying a very high number at a

611
00:48:57,365 --> 00:49:00,605
thousand dollars per foot for a city council chambers to be replicated somewhere.

612
00:49:02,625 --> 00:49:06,505
uh, also where appropriate lease revenue, uh,

613
00:49:06,725 --> 00:49:10,645
if you were to acquire a building, uh, via purchase, and there's contractual lease revenue

614
00:49:11,035 --> 00:49:14,765
from third party tenants, that's being factored into the model as well, which would potentially

615
00:49:15,245 --> 00:49:18,955
bring the city's basis down considerably in those assets. But just

616
00:49:19,465 --> 00:49:23,025
so that we're not, um, you know, accused of, of, of, um,

617
00:49:24,265 --> 00:49:27,965
uh, goal seeking, so to speak. Um, we are only modeling

618
00:49:28,645 --> 00:49:32,125
contractual revenue. We're not simulating revenue into the future

619
00:49:32,915 --> 00:49:36,805
that could be appropriate, uh, if there were, uh, eventually other tenants

620
00:49:37,285 --> 00:49:41,025
that, that decided to locate with the city, but for now, it's safest

621
00:49:41,445 --> 00:49:44,925
and most conservative to model only contractual revenue. So that's what's in the model.

622
00:49:46,225 --> 00:49:49,885
and then lastly, uh, the 20 year occupancy model. We are factoring in

623
00:49:50,565 --> 00:49:54,485
property taxes impact both positive negative and then the operating expenses

624
00:49:54,865 --> 00:49:58,805
for the various assets. Um, you know, you can't own buildings and operate

625
00:49:59,125 --> 00:50:03,005
them for free, nor can you borrow money at 0% interest. And so, um, in the

626
00:50:03,365 --> 00:50:07,245
holistic 20 year occupancy model, we feel these are very important figures to

627
00:50:07,405 --> 00:50:11,285
include in the, uh, comprehensive model. And then I mentioned

628
00:50:11,525 --> 00:50:15,485
this earlier, but there are city leases where you are a lessee right now

629
00:50:16,075 --> 00:50:19,765
that are coming up for expiration. For example, uh, department of water utilities

630
00:50:20,365 --> 00:50:24,215
that expires in 2028. Um, just continuing at the current pace of spend

631
00:50:24,745 --> 00:50:28,685
and eliminating that would be, uh, about a $25 million savings over the

632
00:50:28,805 --> 00:50:32,565
next 20 years. So those things are being factored into the model as well. Next slide, please.

633
00:50:36,075 --> 00:50:39,575
in terms of a, a qualitative evaluation, um, a lot of clients

634
00:50:40,235 --> 00:50:44,095
ask us to, to help them think through this, um, from a number of vantage

635
00:50:44,335 --> 00:50:48,295
points. Um, the city has a number of things to consider

636
00:50:48,455 --> 00:50:52,315
here. One is an owner, um, two is as an employer, three is

637
00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:56,415
an service provider, four is a fiduciary. And then fifth is called an

638
00:50:56,615 --> 00:51:00,375
agent, an economic development agent. And you all are making decisions every day with these different

639
00:51:00,655 --> 00:51:04,045
vantage points. So, um, we have tried to provide

640
00:51:04,775 --> 00:51:08,055
a model and an evaluation model for various

641
00:51:08,975 --> 00:51:12,975
relocation possibilities with these lenses in mind. Um, I

642
00:51:13,095 --> 00:51:16,465
think the most important ones here that really haven't gotten a lot of of discussion

643
00:51:17,135 --> 00:51:20,695
are the city's role as an employer and as a service provider. Um, the direction

644
00:51:21,355 --> 00:51:25,055
in terms of policy and and feedback from staff and council

645
00:51:25,515 --> 00:51:29,315
has been to ensure that the service provision is at

646
00:51:29,535 --> 00:51:33,495
least equal to the current city hall, if not better. And that

647
00:51:33,735 --> 00:51:37,255
the role, your role as an employer is sensitive to your relationship with employees,

648
00:51:37,875 --> 00:51:41,175
uh, where we can provide higher quality employment environment

649
00:51:42,035 --> 00:51:45,995
for the city's, uh, uh, staff. So all these vantage points,

650
00:51:46,595 --> 00:51:50,095
uh, create a holistic review of all relocation candidates.

651
00:51:51,035 --> 00:51:54,495
um, and that is what we, um, have been charged and tasked to do.

652
00:51:55,085 --> 00:51:59,055
I'll stop there. Thank you, peter. And so on slide 51, just

653
00:51:59,375 --> 00:52:03,335
a couple of more slides from me. Um, the potential relocation of city hall

654
00:52:03,685 --> 00:52:07,115
does provide several opportunities. As peter mentioned, uh,

655
00:52:07,815 --> 00:52:11,655
material savings over the 20 year period, uh, does strengthen our

656
00:52:11,855 --> 00:52:15,645
fi uh, fiscal stewardship. Uh, there's opportunities related to enhancing

657
00:52:16,695 --> 00:52:20,165
resident experience and accessibility, advancing operational

658
00:52:21,175 --> 00:52:25,175
consolidation and efficiency. Improving, uh, employee morale and

659
00:52:25,375 --> 00:52:29,215
engagement allows us for, uh, to continue improvements in optimizing

660
00:52:29,815 --> 00:52:33,335
our space as well as activating some of our city assets to support

661
00:52:34,335 --> 00:52:38,245
economic, uh, development. So in summary, on nope,

662
00:52:38,635 --> 00:52:41,975
one more. Um, on slide 52, uh, looking

663
00:52:42,675 --> 00:52:46,655
at, um, funding strategy related to a potential, uh, city

664
00:52:46,935 --> 00:52:50,675
hall relocation, um, the numbers, uh, peter will share in,

665
00:52:50,995 --> 00:52:54,815
uh, more detail in executive session. Unfortunately, not able

666
00:52:55,255 --> 00:52:59,215
to do that in open session yet. Um, as we've

667
00:52:59,495 --> 00:53:03,435
talked about, our primary funding sources, uh, for things continue to be either

668
00:53:04,005 --> 00:53:07,795
cash or debt. But in conversations with cbre, uh,

669
00:53:08,015 --> 00:53:11,805
I believe that the financial transaction will provide us multiple, uh, financing

670
00:53:12,415 --> 00:53:16,335
options. Again, whether it's a lease to own or a purchase deferral

671
00:53:16,895 --> 00:53:20,775
of upfront cost, uh, other opportunities, those are things that would come out

672
00:53:20,975 --> 00:53:24,695
through the pre-development phase. Again, the consolidation of city

673
00:53:25,070 --> 00:53:28,905
operations from multiple locations, again, as peter mentioned, uh,

674
00:53:29,125 --> 00:53:32,935
does allow us to terminate some leases and have savings in those areas

675
00:53:33,755 --> 00:53:37,445
that could, uh, result in savings that could be redirected towards

676
00:53:37,955 --> 00:53:41,795
city hall. Uh, we have the opportunity to divest of some of our real

677
00:53:42,085 --> 00:53:45,925
estate, some, whether it's oak cliff municipal center eventually, or central

678
00:53:46,325 --> 00:53:50,305
service center on canton street. Eventually there is opportunity, uh,

679
00:53:50,585 --> 00:53:53,965
for us to, uh, look at our real estate in a different way.

680
00:53:54,875 --> 00:53:58,745
also, uh, was mentioned the excess space that may be available in

681
00:53:59,045 --> 00:54:02,745
a relocation that would allow us to rent and have a new revenue stream,

682
00:54:03,785 --> 00:54:07,645
uh, as well as potential opportunity to co-locate with another government

683
00:54:08,225 --> 00:54:11,565
entity that, uh, I believe is currently looking for additional space.

684
00:54:12,905 --> 00:54:16,845
we also will have the opportunity to share costs, uh, with, uh, departments

685
00:54:17,365 --> 00:54:20,795
that, uh, do come into the building, whether it's, uh, water utilities,

686
00:54:21,625 --> 00:54:25,595
uh, who's currently in the building. Uh, they have some operations that

687
00:54:25,885 --> 00:54:29,705
could be moved into the city hall building inspection could be moved in. And

688
00:54:29,925 --> 00:54:33,595
some of those enterprise funds, uh, regardless of what we do, could be used

689
00:54:34,025 --> 00:54:37,825
for, uh, additional funding sources as well as historic tax

690
00:54:38,075 --> 00:54:41,965
credits and potential tax increment financing, uh, district funds or other

691
00:54:42,485 --> 00:54:46,115
economic incentives that may be available, uh, with a relocation that

692
00:54:46,545 --> 00:54:50,325
may not be available here. But I believe all of that, uh, in a little more

693
00:54:50,565 --> 00:54:54,545
detail will be discussed in executive session, but primarily we'll come out through the

694
00:54:54,765 --> 00:54:58,765
pre-development phase if we move forward in that direction. So on slide

695
00:54:59,045 --> 00:55:02,925
54, uh, last two slides, just in summary of the whole

696
00:55:03,485 --> 00:55:07,225
document. Uh, back to pension obligation bonds a viable option

697
00:55:07,835 --> 00:55:11,555
that could help produce general fund contribution, shifting some

698
00:55:11,845 --> 00:55:15,335
of that cost to the debt service fund, but again, the risk is associated

699
00:55:16,005 --> 00:55:19,165
with the cost of borrowing versus the interest earned.

700
00:55:20,225 --> 00:55:23,765
uh, if counsel chose to move forward with that, uh, it could potentially

701
00:55:24,325 --> 00:55:28,045
be on a november ballot. Uh, we would recommend waiting

702
00:55:28,545 --> 00:55:32,045
to actually issue the tranches of debt until the market conditions were

703
00:55:32,625 --> 00:55:36,585
uh, improved. Uh, the next two bullets are about public safety.

704
00:55:37,295 --> 00:55:41,245
again, priority, public safety facilities, law enforcement, training center,

705
00:55:41,825 --> 00:55:45,285
public safety training complex, the property room and evidentiary

706
00:55:45,885 --> 00:55:49,805
vehicle storage and fire station four as well as 9 1 1 and

707
00:55:50,005 --> 00:55:53,955
emergency operations center, uh, could potentially be a bond,

708
00:55:54,705 --> 00:55:58,645
uh, proposition for $441 million if you choose to

709
00:55:58,805 --> 00:56:02,425
move forward in that way. Uh, looking at the 10 year phased

710
00:56:02,865 --> 00:56:06,085
repair program, uh, use of debt has consequences,

711
00:56:07,225 --> 00:56:11,025
uh, especially for future bond programs, uh, by

712
00:56:11,245 --> 00:56:13,775
using the debt capacity for $769 million,

713
00:56:15,825 --> 00:56:19,325
uh, for this building, it limits your ability for other capital improvements.

714
00:56:20,465 --> 00:56:24,235
and then cash, just trying to pay for it all out of the general fund

715
00:56:24,905 --> 00:56:28,625
has some, uh, consequences on, uh, service delivery. Uh,

716
00:56:28,985 --> 00:56:32,685
but relocation, uh, to an alternative site, uh, does provide

717
00:56:33,605 --> 00:56:37,415
material, uh, savings, uh, based on the current market conditions. Again,

718
00:56:37,955 --> 00:56:41,785
that would be determined through pre-development. So on slide 55 for

719
00:56:42,005 --> 00:56:45,925
next steps, um, potentially we will be able to get some direction

720
00:56:46,365 --> 00:56:50,305
from council today regarding a november 3rd election. Uh,

721
00:56:50,625 --> 00:56:54,565
for whatever you may choose to include, the date to call that election would

722
00:56:54,805 --> 00:56:58,805
be august the 12th. Uh, after, uh, I

723
00:56:58,925 --> 00:57:02,865
think executive session and questions and answers, then I think there is one

724
00:57:03,085 --> 00:57:06,275
item that, uh, will potentially be voted on today regarding

725
00:57:07,165 --> 00:57:10,625
a potential phased, uh, repair strategy. And then lastly,

726
00:57:11,185 --> 00:57:14,845
we will be back in august on august the fifth, uh, for additional briefing on august 12th

727
00:57:15,365 --> 00:57:19,325
for additional action items. Uh, mayor, that's the conclusion

728
00:57:19,745 --> 00:57:20,205
of the presentation.

729
00:57:24,195 --> 00:57:27,315
okay. It is 11:00 am on june 10th, 2026,

730
00:57:28,825 --> 00:57:32,565
and the special call meeting of the city council will now go into close session under sections

731
00:57:32,925 --> 00:57:35,365
5 51 0.071 and 5 51 0.072

732
00:57:36,945 --> 00:57:40,405
of the texas oak meetings act on the following matters described on today's agenda.

733
00:57:41,235 --> 00:57:45,125
item numbers five and six. So we will go into

734
00:57:45,405 --> 00:57:49,165
special, uh, we will go into a executive session, and then we will,

735
00:57:49,465 --> 00:57:53,115
uh, come back, um, in an hour, we'll call it noon,

736
00:57:54,155 --> 00:57:57,635
okay? Okay.

737
00:57:59,635 --> 00:58:03,565
special call to city council meetings completed. Its closed session under sections 5 51

738
00:58:04,895 --> 00:58:08,095
0.071 and 5 51 0.072

739
00:58:09,825 --> 00:58:12,745
of the texas open meetings act. And at 2:35 pm

740
00:58:14,585 --> 00:58:18,115
on june 10th, 2026, we've returned to open session.

741
00:58:21,975 --> 00:58:25,575
it's still 2:35 pm and now the special call

742
00:58:26,455 --> 00:58:30,145
meeting will stand at recess until after agenda items

743
00:58:30,605 --> 00:58:34,015
number 24 and 25 of the regular meeting

744
00:58:34,805 --> 00:58:38,465
are completed. And now we need to take a, a moment

745
00:58:39,005 --> 00:58:42,825
to allow the meetings to switch over as a technical issue. We have to actually

746
00:58:43,235 --> 00:58:46,665
close one webex meeting and open another for the public to be able to see it.

747
00:58:48,005 --> 00:58:51,865
so we'll stand at ease for just a minute until the meeting switches over,

748
00:58:52,765 --> 00:58:54,905
and then we will move forward.

749
00:59:01,025 --> 00:59:04,825
okay. It is now 3:22 pm and the special call meeting

750
00:59:05,895 --> 00:59:09,315
of the city council's. Now call to order. And we're going to go,

751
00:59:10,015 --> 00:59:13,915
uh, have the discussion now on the briefing item a that we

752
00:59:14,035 --> 00:59:17,855
heard before. So I'm now going to turn it over, um,

753
00:59:18,225 --> 00:59:22,085
back to the city manager's office to continue our, um, discussion on

754
00:59:22,405 --> 00:59:26,295
briefing item a and it'll be our normal 5 3 1 rules

755
00:59:26,705 --> 00:59:29,225
for asking questions. Nothing different, so

756
00:59:30,775 --> 00:59:34,465
thank you mr. Mayor. We are actually, uh, ready to begin the, uh, the q and a for

757
00:59:34,945 --> 00:59:38,645
the presentation that was delivered. Thank you, sir. Okay. Members, go ahead and use your

758
00:59:39,005 --> 00:59:41,325
machines and chime in

759
00:59:45,175 --> 00:59:49,075
assuming the machines work. I don't see anybody yet.

760
00:59:50,335 --> 00:59:54,195
oh, boy. Chairwoman stewart, you recognize for five minutes, um, for the public,

761
00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:56,075
we are on briefing item a.

762
00:59:58,865 --> 01:00:02,835
okay, so this is a presentation. Few hours back. As I recall,

763
01:00:03,735 --> 01:00:07,215
um, , we were, we were reviewing, um,

764
01:00:08,695 --> 01:00:12,315
uh, goodness, our commitments to public safety and other bond projects.

765
01:00:13,135 --> 01:00:16,875
and so jack, if I think you had two scenarios, one where

766
01:00:17,155 --> 01:00:21,155
we postponed bond projects for three years and another where they got

767
01:00:21,555 --> 01:00:24,915
postponed for six in each case actually,

768
01:00:25,655 --> 01:00:29,435
um, what's the consequence of delaying a project if, for example,

769
01:00:29,935 --> 01:00:33,715
I'm supposed to put some pickleball courts in and they're not gonna, um, happen

770
01:00:35,425 --> 01:00:39,295
instead of happening maybe three years from now, they're not gonna happen either six or

771
01:00:39,515 --> 01:00:43,435
nine years from now. Um, what, what's the consequence of that? I

772
01:00:43,555 --> 01:00:47,395
think I know, but I'm gonna ask you to help me understand. Okay. Thank

773
01:00:47,715 --> 01:00:51,475
you. Uh, jack harland, chief financial officer, uh, for the city.

774
01:00:52,215 --> 01:00:55,875
and so just to put it back in a little perspective, the different

775
01:00:56,355 --> 01:01:00,155
scenarios talked about were if we move forward with a $441 million

776
01:01:02,455 --> 01:01:06,435
public safety facilities, uh, proposition, it would have

777
01:01:06,635 --> 01:01:10,585
an impact and result in us delaying the 2024 bond program from

778
01:01:10,965 --> 01:01:14,785
three remaining years to four remaining years. Then

779
01:01:15,075 --> 01:01:18,435
we talked about another situation where in addition to the $441 million

780
01:01:20,215 --> 01:01:23,715
in public safety projects, we may also choose to do

781
01:01:24,285 --> 01:01:28,215
$769.8 million worth of, uh,

782
01:01:28,665 --> 01:01:32,635
city hall repairs. And that scenario, it did require that

783
01:01:32,835 --> 01:01:36,265
the 24 bond program got stretched from three years remaining

784
01:01:36,975 --> 01:01:40,575
to six years remaining. In those situations, um,

785
01:01:41,145 --> 01:01:45,015
obviously it delays the, the project, uh, that the community has

786
01:01:45,235 --> 01:01:48,875
asked for, that the commu the community voted for in november of 24.

787
01:01:50,495 --> 01:01:54,355
uh, there's the risk of cost escalation as you're

788
01:01:54,675 --> 01:01:58,525
delaying time, there's inflation that would factor in. And then would

789
01:01:58,875 --> 01:02:02,805
we be able to deliver all the projects or would it reach a situation where everything

790
01:02:03,475 --> 01:02:07,315
is so much more expensive that we are not able to deliver every single

791
01:02:07,675 --> 01:02:11,075
project? And that's my concern. Um, we will have

792
01:02:11,815 --> 01:02:15,675
to make some hard choices. It seems to me, I don't think if, if all of the bond

793
01:02:15,835 --> 01:02:19,605
projects go up in cost, and yet we're, we're still looking

794
01:02:19,865 --> 01:02:23,405
at the same number of bond dollars to cover those projects,

795
01:02:24,515 --> 01:02:28,425
then something's got to give. And so some projects will get

796
01:02:28,925 --> 01:02:32,825
postponed to the next bond program or just go to never, never land. Uh,

797
01:02:33,045 --> 01:02:36,685
potentially they could go into a future bond program, potentially they could be canceled.

798
01:02:37,585 --> 01:02:41,565
um, potentially there could be other funding sources identified that would

799
01:02:41,725 --> 01:02:45,705
supplement them, but it, it would create an issue of, uh,

800
01:02:45,925 --> 01:02:49,675
we only have authorization for $750 million remaining

801
01:02:50,285 --> 01:02:53,835
from the 24 bond program. And so the longer you wait,

802
01:02:54,385 --> 01:02:58,385
the more inflation, the harder that becomes. Right? And so, say

803
01:02:58,605 --> 01:03:02,555
for example, you were gonna put in a rec center, but all of a sudden you have significantly less

804
01:03:02,845 --> 01:03:06,485
money for it, perhaps you'd have to do put in, build a rec center

805
01:03:07,075 --> 01:03:10,925
that doesn't have a gym. There may be those types of trade-offs that would

806
01:03:11,085 --> 01:03:14,945
be discussed, right? So

807
01:03:15,275 --> 01:03:19,195
this has an impact on our residents, is my point. And these decisions have

808
01:03:19,525 --> 01:03:23,315
a huge impact on our residents and what their expectations are, what

809
01:03:23,605 --> 01:03:27,485
their neighborhoods need, what they're waiting for, because they've been told they're

810
01:03:27,845 --> 01:03:31,765
on the schedule. So, um, I, I just think we have to,

811
01:03:32,065 --> 01:03:36,045
um, always think, keep our residents in mind. And in this

812
01:03:36,205 --> 01:03:40,075
particular case, under this particular scenario, I don't know that they fare

813
01:03:40,605 --> 01:03:42,285
particularly well. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

814
01:03:44,805 --> 01:03:47,535
chairman ridley, you recognize for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

815
01:03:48,825 --> 01:03:52,065
so jack, in reference to the

816
01:03:52,835 --> 01:03:55,655
portion of the presentation about the pension obligation bonds,

817
01:03:56,955 --> 01:04:00,565
when the city prepared its 30 year amortization

818
01:04:01,845 --> 01:04:05,665
schedule to satisfy the prb and

819
01:04:06,145 --> 01:04:09,385
the, uh, and the context of the settlement with the pension, uh,

820
01:04:10,975 --> 01:04:14,445
board, um, what was the source of revenue

821
01:04:14,995 --> 01:04:18,075
that you contemplated to fund that 30 year plan?

822
01:04:21,585 --> 01:04:24,925
so the, the, um, I'll get to the answer, but the final

823
01:04:25,685 --> 01:04:29,245
solution was an increase in general fund contributions

824
01:04:29,875 --> 01:04:33,625
from the city would, uh, satisfy the requirement. Uh,

825
01:04:34,065 --> 01:04:37,905
we did have the conversation about pension obligation bonds. We

826
01:04:38,125 --> 01:04:41,505
did have a conversation about, uh, um,

827
01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:46,885
divesting of different, uh, city assets that might, could generate revenue

828
01:04:47,965 --> 01:04:51,255
that could be used to pay down the unfunded liability.

829
01:04:52,025 --> 01:04:55,935
those are the two primary other things that were discussed other than increasing

830
01:04:56,675 --> 01:05:00,495
the city's general fund contributions. Well, and I, I agree with

831
01:05:00,775 --> 01:05:04,615
you, but the primary focus was, and what I believe

832
01:05:05,195 --> 01:05:08,565
his counsel voted on was general fund

833
01:05:09,685 --> 01:05:13,425
increased contributions to meet our obligations under

834
01:05:13,845 --> 01:05:17,725
that 30 year amortization plan. Yes, sir. That was the final decision.

835
01:05:17,945 --> 01:05:21,605
yes, sir. Absolutely. And has anything changed in the city's financial

836
01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:25,785
condition that makes that no longer feasible? N no, sir. Uh,

837
01:05:26,225 --> 01:05:29,955
we still, and I believe I said earlier today, as long as we meet

838
01:05:30,245 --> 01:05:33,685
those, uh, commitments and contributions we will fully fund in 30 years

839
01:05:34,505 --> 01:05:38,275
as expected, uh, the, uh, idea

840
01:05:38,705 --> 01:05:42,565
of pension obligation bonds could potentially provide relief

841
01:05:42,965 --> 01:05:46,965
to the general fund. But it is not a mandate, it's not required to meet the obligations

842
01:05:47,545 --> 01:05:51,375
as long as we make those payments from the general fund. Well, and my concern about

843
01:05:51,725 --> 01:05:55,045
the pension obligation bonds, as you point out in your presentation,

844
01:05:56,425 --> 01:05:59,675
is that we need the pension board's

845
01:06:00,595 --> 01:06:04,205
rate of return to increase above what our cost of funds would be

846
01:06:04,705 --> 01:06:08,645
on a bond program. And right now we would

847
01:06:08,805 --> 01:06:12,565
be underwater. And so it doesn't make sense to entertain

848
01:06:13,045 --> 01:06:16,945
that option at this time. Is that correct? So

849
01:06:17,345 --> 01:06:20,995
the, the last three years, the pension fund returns have been,

850
01:06:21,465 --> 01:06:25,165
uh, they've done very well, uh, 15% and 25,

851
01:06:25,715 --> 01:06:28,645
9%, and 24, nearly 14% and 23.

852
01:06:30,105 --> 01:06:34,045
uh, so I don't think we would be underwater the last three years. But when

853
01:06:34,205 --> 01:06:37,525
you're looking at a longer term, which we presented in the presentation,

854
01:06:38,575 --> 01:06:42,385
their five year return is 5%, their 10 year return is

855
01:06:42,605 --> 01:06:46,605
3%. So when you think about it in the longer terms, that is a true statement.

856
01:06:47,075 --> 01:06:50,845
well, and we have to think about it in the longer terms because we're talking about a 20 year

857
01:06:51,085 --> 01:06:54,445
bond, aren't we? Yes, sir. Alright, on slide 21,

858
01:06:55,495 --> 01:06:59,145
about the 9 1 1 and emergency operations center, you, um,

859
01:07:00,285 --> 01:07:04,075
estimate $40 million to relocate those programs because they're not ideally

860
01:07:05,325 --> 01:07:09,125
situated to be at city hall, what does that

861
01:07:09,365 --> 01:07:13,065
mean? So I'll take a stab unless

862
01:07:13,495 --> 01:07:17,125
kevin come on out. Um, so, uh, they're currently

863
01:07:17,745 --> 01:07:21,485
in the downtown, um, uh, obviously in city hall.

864
01:07:21,845 --> 01:07:25,535
I think there's some situations where it's difficult to get to city hall under

865
01:07:26,205 --> 01:07:30,025
certain, uh, emergency types of situations. Uh,

866
01:07:30,345 --> 01:07:34,235
it being in the, in this building, uh, may add some added risk

867
01:07:34,585 --> 01:07:38,315
to it. Um, and so I think looking outside, even

868
01:07:38,605 --> 01:07:42,205
though it's immediately outside the central business district, uh, provides

869
01:07:42,975 --> 01:07:46,755
value. Kevin, I'll let you, sir. Yes, good afternoon. Kevin oden,

870
01:07:47,285 --> 01:07:51,285
director of emergency management and crisis response. Everything that, uh, cfo

871
01:07:51,645 --> 01:07:55,425
ireland said is correct. And then I would add, um,

872
01:07:55,795 --> 01:07:59,785
generally speaking, our peer cities do not co-locate those, uh,

873
01:08:00,135 --> 01:08:03,955
activities within their, their central hub of government. Um, because

874
01:08:04,585 --> 01:08:08,385
of the risk of concentration of services in one place, uh,

875
01:08:08,675 --> 01:08:12,055
that increases the, uh, the risk we have of, of losing operations

876
01:08:12,785 --> 01:08:16,525
or space. To give you a, a concrete example, during

877
01:08:17,205 --> 01:08:21,185
the, um, the cheerleading incident last summer, uh, we were not

878
01:08:21,345 --> 01:08:25,225
able to access city hall, uh, in any reasonable amount of time.

879
01:08:25,405 --> 01:08:29,385
we had to actually relocate, um, to do coordination of that event

880
01:08:29,625 --> 01:08:33,385
because of the traffic in and around downtown. Um, and so

881
01:08:33,665 --> 01:08:37,325
we believe that moving these critical functions outside of,

882
01:08:37,965 --> 01:08:41,965
uh, where the center of government is in addition to, uh, the traffic and,

883
01:08:42,245 --> 01:08:45,505
and, um, uh, potential risks that downtown faces

884
01:08:46,495 --> 01:08:50,445
expedites our ability to provide emergency operations and

885
01:08:50,695 --> 01:08:54,665
emergency nine one one, uh, call taking to our residents. So have there

886
01:08:54,785 --> 01:08:58,495
been any other instances of access interruption to the emergency

887
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:02,665
operation center in the last 10 years besides the cheerleader incident?

888
01:09:04,125 --> 01:09:07,985
yes, I remember, uh, the july 7th ambush personally getting

889
01:09:08,145 --> 01:09:11,195
into downtown was, uh, next to impossible.

890
01:09:12,245 --> 01:09:16,105
um, anytime we've had, uh, issues accessing due to

891
01:09:16,415 --> 01:09:20,245
snow and ice, um, conditions here in the downtown area has

892
01:09:20,465 --> 01:09:24,245
created, um, issue, uh, its potential with the,

893
01:09:24,685 --> 01:09:28,185
um, everything going on around fifa, being concentrated

894
01:09:29,165 --> 01:09:32,645
in and around this building, um, that if there are, uh,

895
01:09:33,405 --> 01:09:37,185
any sort of lockdowns or other things that go on, we could have a difficult

896
01:09:37,615 --> 01:09:41,425
time getting to, uh, our site here and we may have to operate out of other

897
01:09:41,825 --> 01:09:45,725
locations. So how many snow and ice storms have we seen in the last 10

898
01:09:45,945 --> 01:09:49,345
years that have been exclusively located in downtown?

899
01:09:52,265 --> 01:09:56,145
no, they're more geographically located, but I would say that our ability to

900
01:09:56,365 --> 01:10:00,105
get immediate to where we're operating here, um,

901
01:10:00,465 --> 01:10:04,085
is curtailed in some of those incidents. I've had to have staff I

902
01:10:04,855 --> 01:10:08,685
based in and around this area, uh, 24 hours a day,

903
01:10:08,875 --> 01:10:12,845
just so that we could operate out of this building during those snow and ice

904
01:10:13,245 --> 01:10:17,125
incidents. Well, and don't most of the relevant department heads, aren't they already

905
01:10:17,865 --> 01:10:20,165
in city hall when an emergency may arise?

906
01:10:22,345 --> 01:10:26,295
where are they coming from? Well, if, I mean, if you're

907
01:10:26,535 --> 01:10:30,475
having an emergency in eight to five, yes,

908
01:10:30,795 --> 01:10:34,545
you may have many here, but we also have departments that are not based

909
01:10:34,895 --> 01:10:38,295
here at city hall, such as, uh, code or transportation

910
01:10:39,155 --> 01:10:42,455
or police headquarters, um, across the way. And then certainly,

911
01:10:43,235 --> 01:10:46,895
uh, most of the big events, incidents I've worked over my career have not been,

912
01:10:47,475 --> 01:10:51,295
uh, within normal business hours. And then so you're trying to, uh, get people

913
01:10:52,045 --> 01:10:56,045
into, uh, downtown, which, if there is an incident that is affecting

914
01:10:57,335 --> 01:11:01,245
mobility downtown, that ability to get persons into this building to operate

915
01:11:02,075 --> 01:11:05,935
on an expeditious basis, is it it's very difficult and

916
01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:10,075
very complex. Well, it just seems that if that is

917
01:11:10,295 --> 01:11:13,805
gonna cost us $40 million for the off chance

918
01:11:14,355 --> 01:11:18,245
that it may happen once or twice in 10 years, that's a

919
01:11:18,365 --> 01:11:20,765
really low capital investment priority.

920
01:11:22,515 --> 01:11:26,235
with regard to the public safety facilities, jack,

921
01:11:26,595 --> 01:11:29,435
there's a reference to the,

922
01:11:30,795 --> 01:11:34,365
um, current evidentiary storage

923
01:11:35,495 --> 01:11:38,465
facility at the v bigg pound,

924
01:11:39,955 --> 01:11:43,005
and that that is currently on 71

925
01:11:44,205 --> 01:11:48,165
acre site and it's proposed to relocate it because

926
01:11:48,655 --> 01:11:52,365
it's not large enough apparently to a 31 acre

927
01:11:52,725 --> 01:11:56,455
site. How does that make sense? Thank you for that

928
01:11:56,815 --> 01:12:00,735
question. Um, the issue is not that the si the current size is not

929
01:12:00,935 --> 01:12:04,875
large enough. Uh, the current location was the

930
01:12:05,095 --> 01:12:08,935
site of the auto pound, and about three years

931
01:12:09,395 --> 01:12:12,965
ago, or four years ago, the city went through a process of outsourcing

932
01:12:14,075 --> 01:12:17,715
the auto pound mm-hmm . And with the intent of

933
01:12:18,295 --> 01:12:22,215
vacating that property at vil big and then being able to sell

934
01:12:22,455 --> 01:12:26,255
that property for development. And then we realized, okay, there's

935
01:12:26,535 --> 01:12:30,225
still the evidentiary vehicles that are there even after we outsourced

936
01:12:31,435 --> 01:12:35,415
the auto pound. So the question is, do we keep them there

937
01:12:36,115 --> 01:12:39,955
and do we move the property room over there with them or

938
01:12:40,435 --> 01:12:43,975
do we move them both to another site and then we would be able to,

939
01:12:44,875 --> 01:12:48,385
uh, divest of the vil big property, the total 71 acres,

940
01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:52,995
but the site that's needed for the evidentiary vehicles is not

941
01:12:53,215 --> 01:12:57,155
the entire 71 acres. It's just a portion. And, uh,

942
01:12:57,625 --> 01:13:01,435
their scope would be that they need 31 acres for the,

943
01:13:01,685 --> 01:13:05,075
that locate for that, uh, function as well as the

944
01:13:05,975 --> 01:13:09,715
function of the property room. So how many vehicle storage spaces

945
01:13:10,355 --> 01:13:14,255
are available at the vil vbi site? Now, this is martin

946
01:13:14,955 --> 01:13:18,775
riojas, deputy director for the dallas police department. The, uh, vbi site currently

947
01:13:19,135 --> 01:13:22,915
has 2,800, uh, vehicle spaces,

948
01:13:24,035 --> 01:13:27,775
and we have currently 2200 vehicles

949
01:13:28,555 --> 01:13:32,555
at the site. So it's oversized for your current needs. It's, it, it

950
01:13:32,775 --> 01:13:36,775
has, right now we do have about 1300 vehicles that are at

951
01:13:36,935 --> 01:13:40,815
vendor properties. Uh, those are, those are vehicles that are not

952
01:13:41,175 --> 01:13:45,095
held for evidentiary evidence that are towed but not evidence. And so those are sent

953
01:13:45,295 --> 01:13:49,205
to the vendor lots mm-hmm . That's about 1300. And so with

954
01:13:49,515 --> 01:13:53,355
us having that vendor that has freed up space at, at the auto pound, so

955
01:13:53,575 --> 01:13:57,095
we have about 2,800 spaces available, and we have about 2200

956
01:13:58,245 --> 01:14:02,135
cars right now at the site. So jack, why does it

957
01:14:02,295 --> 01:14:06,015
make sense to free up the vil big property to sell it,

958
01:14:06,315 --> 01:14:09,735
but then we have to buy a new property to transfer the evidentiary

959
01:14:10,435 --> 01:14:14,305
lot to the opportunity to

960
01:14:14,845 --> 01:14:18,545
consolidate with the, uh, property room and

961
01:14:18,865 --> 01:14:22,825
the crime scene unit, uh, provided some consolidation and

962
01:14:23,325 --> 01:14:26,885
collaboration opportunities, I believe, for the police department as those groups,

963
01:14:27,745 --> 01:14:31,365
uh, worked together, uh, and wouldn't have to be going from

964
01:14:31,925 --> 01:14:35,715
location to location. So having them together on one joint site

965
01:14:36,585 --> 01:14:40,545
was the, uh, the goal, it was a goal that was asked for

966
01:14:40,945 --> 01:14:44,605
in the 2024 bond program. It did not make it to the final,

967
01:14:45,345 --> 01:14:48,975
uh, proposition, but it has been something that has been asked

968
01:14:49,385 --> 01:14:53,125
for. Um, it could be co-located at vil big,

969
01:14:53,705 --> 01:14:57,525
it could be lo co-located somewhere else, I think needs some

970
01:14:57,765 --> 01:15:01,085
additional time to explore, uh, different opportunities,

971
01:15:02,385 --> 01:15:06,385
uh, determine whether it is in the city's best interest to divest

972
01:15:06,965 --> 01:15:10,715
of that, uh, 71 acres, uh, at the, basically

973
01:15:11,345 --> 01:15:14,965
the corner of interstate 30 in hampton road. So page 24 indicates

974
01:15:15,525 --> 01:15:19,325
that the cost of co-locating at the bil big property would be 150 million

975
01:15:21,585 --> 01:15:25,485
and co-locating in an alternate site unidentified would be

976
01:15:25,625 --> 01:15:29,005
232 million. Am I reading that correctly?

977
01:15:29,945 --> 01:15:33,945
yes, sir. So what would cost 150 million if

978
01:15:34,165 --> 01:15:37,995
we leave the evidentiary lot where it is and just move

979
01:15:38,425 --> 01:15:42,325
the property room there? Yes, sir.

980
01:15:42,545 --> 01:15:46,305
so in that scenario, uh, it does add a new

981
01:15:46,725 --> 01:15:50,275
building for the, that's part of the evidentiary vehicle unit

982
01:15:51,145 --> 01:15:54,545
at v big. It would vacate the

983
01:15:55,325 --> 01:15:58,845
property room that is on baylor street over east of downtown

984
01:15:59,545 --> 01:16:01,765
and bring it over. That's the bulk of the $150 million

985
01:16:03,985 --> 01:16:07,725
is that, that unit and replacing the property room

986
01:16:08,035 --> 01:16:11,665
that is passed cap capacity, uh, to,

987
01:16:12,185 --> 01:16:16,165
uh, $114 million for that facility is the biggest piece of

988
01:16:16,325 --> 01:16:19,715
the $150 million. And has anyone looked into

989
01:16:20,785 --> 01:16:24,725
the alternative of renting space for the property room

990
01:16:25,005 --> 01:16:26,035
and crime scene operation?

991
01:16:31,385 --> 01:16:35,365
I'm gonna let, uh, deb, thank you.

992
01:16:35,625 --> 01:16:39,525
um, council member for the question. No, we have not looked at leasing property

993
01:16:39,745 --> 01:16:43,605
for the, for the property room given, um, the alternatives that are available.

994
01:16:44,585 --> 01:16:48,305
and has anyone quantified the need to consolidate to

995
01:16:48,675 --> 01:16:52,215
co-locate these operations in terms of saved

996
01:16:52,805 --> 01:16:56,085
manpower, increased efficiency, any other metrics

997
01:16:56,815 --> 01:16:59,085
other than simply dpd wants it?

998
01:17:00,965 --> 01:17:04,685
I believe that, um, that was the reason for this consolidation is to

999
01:17:05,125 --> 01:17:08,825
consolidate the crime lab as well as the evidentiary, um,

1000
01:17:09,405 --> 01:17:13,225
property room, um, to provide those efficiencies. And, um,

1001
01:17:13,565 --> 01:17:17,285
I just also wanna note that these were needs that were

1002
01:17:17,845 --> 01:17:21,805
identified in the longer term needs inventory previously that were

1003
01:17:22,005 --> 01:17:25,965
not funded in the, um, 2024 bond program. Well, it doesn't really answer

1004
01:17:26,225 --> 01:17:30,155
my question, my answer, my question is, are there any metrics that

1005
01:17:30,685 --> 01:17:34,315
demonstrate how much efficiency we're losing or how much we would gain

1006
01:17:34,715 --> 01:17:38,415
through co-locating? I understand that the dpd wants

1007
01:17:38,765 --> 01:17:42,065
it. I, but I'd like to get at why and really

1008
01:17:42,825 --> 01:17:46,785
how seriously we need to spend $150 million on

1009
01:17:47,005 --> 01:17:50,905
this. So this is martin

1010
01:17:51,725 --> 01:17:55,665
riojas. Um, the, the issue is that we do have a lot

1011
01:17:55,785 --> 01:17:59,605
of staff members that are crime scene that are

1012
01:17:59,825 --> 01:18:03,665
going back and forth between the property room and the auto

1013
01:18:04,145 --> 01:18:08,065
pound. And also the desire was to have

1014
01:18:08,325 --> 01:18:12,285
all physical evidence, anything physical in the same, in

1015
01:18:12,505 --> 01:18:16,425
the same area, in the same location, and then kind of, and consolidating some

1016
01:18:16,665 --> 01:18:19,745
of the management of, of those areas. Now that, in terms of having,

1017
01:18:20,845 --> 01:18:24,445
um, anything more, anything more detailed, I, we,

1018
01:18:24,885 --> 01:18:28,825
we can work to get that. I don't have that right now in terms of like a metric that I

1019
01:18:28,945 --> 01:18:32,825
can give you that would result in, into right this

1020
01:18:33,025 --> 01:18:36,905
minute. But the idea is that we would have the management of

1021
01:18:37,225 --> 01:18:41,145
physical evidence together and, and all the housing of physical evidence together so that,

1022
01:18:41,445 --> 01:18:44,945
so that there was one management over all physical evidence for the department.

1023
01:18:46,055 --> 01:18:49,985
well, we have many needs in this city, as I'm sure you'll concede and we have limited

1024
01:18:50,745 --> 01:18:54,575
resources. And so I think it's important that we get at just

1025
01:18:54,865 --> 01:18:58,425
what the justification is for this co-location expense. And finally,

1026
01:18:59,245 --> 01:19:02,885
why do we need to replace fire station number four? There's no mention of

1027
01:19:03,445 --> 01:19:07,425
the need to expend $20 million to replace it in

1028
01:19:07,625 --> 01:19:11,375
this presentation. So thank you. And I want to answer part

1029
01:19:11,665 --> 01:19:15,285
of your last question, and then I will on fire station four as well. Uh,

1030
01:19:15,685 --> 01:19:19,635
one of the biggest drivers about the property room crime scene

1031
01:19:20,365 --> 01:19:24,015
and evidentiary vehicles is the fact that the property room

1032
01:19:24,525 --> 01:19:27,545
at baylor street is out of capacity.

1033
01:19:28,575 --> 01:19:32,395
they are stacked on top of stacked on top of stack. They're at the ceiling. There

1034
01:19:32,745 --> 01:19:36,655
is no, uh, not sufficient room, uh, at the property room

1035
01:19:37,085 --> 01:19:40,965
for, for other evidence to be brought in. And it's, it's getting to

1036
01:19:41,225 --> 01:19:45,065
a critical point. I want to thank martin. You've told me that within a couple of years

1037
01:19:45,365 --> 01:19:49,365
we will be out of capacity at that location. So if we

1038
01:19:49,585 --> 01:19:53,285
have to do something to address the capacity issue at the

1039
01:19:53,945 --> 01:19:57,885
property room, then the question was asked, is there an opportunity to

1040
01:19:58,105 --> 01:20:01,925
improve efficiencies at the same time? And that led us to look at

1041
01:20:02,395 --> 01:20:06,265
other options that then pulled in the evidentiary, uh, vehicle

1042
01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:10,445
storage. So that was part of the driver regarding fire station

1043
01:20:10,765 --> 01:20:14,525
number four, with the ex implementation of the convention

1044
01:20:15,125 --> 01:20:19,055
center master plan and the anticipated development on the 31 acres

1045
01:20:19,405 --> 01:20:23,105
that will become available, uh, it was determined that fire station 20,

1046
01:20:23,945 --> 01:20:27,505
I'm sorry, fire station four for $20 million, uh,

1047
01:20:28,095 --> 01:20:32,045
would be, uh, a priority for replacement. And the chief has come forward.

1048
01:20:32,305 --> 01:20:33,165
so I'll let you speak further.

1049
01:20:37,025 --> 01:20:40,795
uh, good afternoon everyone. Uh, fire chief justin ball. Yeah,

1050
01:20:41,185 --> 01:20:45,185
it, we figured with the convention center it'd be a priority, but

1051
01:20:45,475 --> 01:20:49,285
it's, we have a list of stations that are up

1052
01:20:49,485 --> 01:20:53,485
there to be replaced 'cause of age condition, and that's

1053
01:20:54,095 --> 01:20:57,065
right there at, at the top. So, um,

1054
01:20:58,475 --> 01:21:01,855
it's, I mean, it's one of the stations will be replacing

1055
01:21:03,205 --> 01:21:06,925
before some of the other ones because of its age

1056
01:21:07,245 --> 01:21:11,205
and condition and it's, it's downtown and

1057
01:21:13,345 --> 01:21:17,245
we need more, more apparatus base in a, in a newer station

1058
01:21:17,995 --> 01:21:21,825
because, um, rather than add

1059
01:21:22,155 --> 01:21:26,045
more stations, we need more apparatus downtown because it's so

1060
01:21:26,275 --> 01:21:29,325
busy. So there's a lot of reasons why that station

1061
01:21:30,535 --> 01:21:34,325
needs to be replaced. Is there any alternative to simply add on to the station

1062
01:21:34,585 --> 01:21:37,865
to accommodate more apparatus add?

1063
01:21:38,615 --> 01:21:42,405
could you say that again? Is it possible to add on to the existing station

1064
01:21:42,785 --> 01:21:46,685
to accommodate more apparatus? No, we've, we've looked at

1065
01:21:46,885 --> 01:21:50,865
all that. It, it's, uh, again, we

1066
01:21:51,085 --> 01:21:55,045
have a list of stations and I can provide that list. Uh, but that's

1067
01:21:55,505 --> 01:21:57,685
at the top. Thank you mayor.

1068
01:22:00,145 --> 01:22:04,065
mr. Roth, you're recognized for five minutes. Uh, thank you. Um,

1069
01:22:05,035 --> 01:22:09,025
jack, just a, just some understanding questions for me on,

1070
01:22:09,985 --> 01:22:13,745
on, uh, is, is a public safety

1071
01:22:14,395 --> 01:22:17,795
bond, is that different from a general obligation bond

1072
01:22:18,545 --> 01:22:22,295
or it's just designated differently? It, it would be a general obligation

1073
01:22:23,075 --> 01:22:26,925
bond, it would be a proposition. So in a typical

1074
01:22:27,555 --> 01:22:31,425
bond program, we may have 10 different propositions. In this case, we

1075
01:22:31,645 --> 01:22:35,245
would potentially only have one proposition for public safety,

1076
01:22:35,985 --> 01:22:39,645
but it would be a general obligation election, general obligation bonds

1077
01:22:40,085 --> 01:22:43,995
financed over 20 years paid from our property tax debt service rate.

1078
01:22:44,785 --> 01:22:48,245
so the, so the fact that you've broken it out is just really sort of to help us

1079
01:22:48,805 --> 01:22:52,805
classify what, what might be a suitable for designation in that category

1080
01:22:53,225 --> 01:22:56,765
of, of potential borrowings? Yes, sir. As we were having conversations

1081
01:22:57,575 --> 01:23:01,245
about, uh, the need for the, uh, two components

1082
01:23:01,785 --> 01:23:05,765
of the police academy, we started having conversations about

1083
01:23:06,035 --> 01:23:09,925
what the, the highest priority needs were from a public safety perspective.

1084
01:23:10,985 --> 01:23:14,845
and these other projects got it added in as potentially the highest

1085
01:23:15,275 --> 01:23:18,805
type of public safety projects facility needs that we currently have.

1086
01:23:19,665 --> 01:23:23,625
um, and following up in council, uh, members, uh,

1087
01:23:24,125 --> 01:23:27,795
stuart's question is, uh, if, if a project

1088
01:23:28,705 --> 01:23:32,605
is not available or is not suitable or, or we

1089
01:23:32,805 --> 01:23:36,805
can't do a project that, uh, was designated under the bond program,

1090
01:23:37,505 --> 01:23:41,435
do we have the, the opportunity to move those funds into

1091
01:23:41,965 --> 01:23:45,435
another, to another project? Or is, or is the bond financing

1092
01:23:46,445 --> 01:23:50,275
absolutely, uh, specifically, uh, deal

1093
01:23:51,005 --> 01:23:54,405
specific and, and, and property specific or, or, or item

1094
01:23:55,125 --> 01:23:58,315
specific? So generally the, uh, bond proposition

1095
01:23:59,585 --> 01:24:03,195
has some flexibility, um, but you cannot move between

1096
01:24:03,835 --> 01:24:07,835
proposition. So if you had voters approve a library proposition

1097
01:24:08,625 --> 01:24:12,325
and a fire station proposition, you can't switch money between

1098
01:24:12,725 --> 01:24:16,275
those two. But, but if it, but if it was a real estate, if it was a building proposition

1099
01:24:17,225 --> 01:24:20,965
or a if or a moving having to do with, with a

1100
01:24:21,365 --> 01:24:25,035
facility or something, we could do it that. So if the proposition was a library proposition

1101
01:24:25,745 --> 01:24:29,545
and it was determined and one was the high priority at the time the

1102
01:24:29,765 --> 01:24:33,685
bond program was passed, if you decide another one is a higher priority,

1103
01:24:34,065 --> 01:24:37,805
it could be switched out, but not across propositions, but within

1104
01:24:38,545 --> 01:24:42,075
the language of that elected proposition. And once, once

1105
01:24:42,565 --> 01:24:46,515
a bond is, once you, we go to the public, get approval for bond,

1106
01:24:47,465 --> 01:24:51,205
uh, issue bond, uh, approval, uh, is there

1107
01:24:51,565 --> 01:24:55,525
a, uh, uh, once it's authorized, is there some, is there a deadline

1108
01:24:55,725 --> 01:24:59,485
on when you have to actually issue the bonds or actually go to market

1109
01:24:59,905 --> 01:25:03,285
to, to execute on, on, on authorizing

1110
01:25:04,065 --> 01:25:07,375
the actual bonds themselves after the election? Right.

1111
01:25:08,375 --> 01:25:12,205
there used to be, and I probably have said 10 years before, but bond counsel

1112
01:25:12,625 --> 01:25:16,565
has recently corrected me. As long as we can demonstrate to the attorney

1113
01:25:16,685 --> 01:25:20,045
general that it is still part of our plan, then the authorization

1114
01:25:21,505 --> 01:25:25,405
no longer expires at 10 years. We just have to continue to communicate with

1115
01:25:25,645 --> 01:25:29,305
the ags office that it is part of our financing plan. But

1116
01:25:29,665 --> 01:25:33,325
as we were talking about pension obligation bonds, if we got authorization

1117
01:25:34,505 --> 01:25:38,425
now, or at some point, I would not recommend that we

1118
01:25:38,775 --> 01:25:42,745
issue the pension obligation bonds. Now we wait until the market conditions are

1119
01:25:42,965 --> 01:25:46,805
right to do that. It's costing too much to borrow that right now. But those

1120
01:25:47,005 --> 01:25:50,765
rates will come down. They, they go up, but they'll come back eventually. And that, that

1121
01:25:51,045 --> 01:25:54,525
was gonna be my, my point is that once we get the authorization,

1122
01:25:55,195 --> 01:25:59,085
then we can manage the market requirements and actually be

1123
01:25:59,245 --> 01:26:02,945
more strategic in when we would actually issue the bonds and, uh,

1124
01:26:03,305 --> 01:26:07,225
the, or commit to the issuance of the bonds physically. Yes, sir. The

1125
01:26:07,445 --> 01:26:10,615
other question is are, are these bonds, can they be pre refinanced,

1126
01:26:11,745 --> 01:26:15,605
uh, or can they be prepaid typically, or are you, are we sort

1127
01:26:15,845 --> 01:26:19,625
of committed to not committed to a 20 year? We're committed to 20 years, but

1128
01:26:20,145 --> 01:26:24,005
can we pay 'em off early? Can we refinance over the 20

1129
01:26:24,205 --> 01:26:28,045
year period? Uh, most of our bonds are callable after 10 years. They're

1130
01:26:28,525 --> 01:26:32,365
callable after 10 years. Okay. Yes, typically. So, uh, e each structuring

1131
01:26:32,725 --> 01:26:36,725
deal can be different, but that's our typical, our standard. So it gives us some flexibility that

1132
01:26:37,005 --> 01:26:40,845
if we do want to go to the public to authorize a certain

1133
01:26:41,045 --> 01:26:44,945
amount of bond, uh, uh, potential, we

1134
01:26:45,165 --> 01:26:48,885
do have flexibility in, in seeing strategically

1135
01:26:49,605 --> 01:26:53,085
the market, figuring out what we want to do, even going ahead and exercising

1136
01:26:53,725 --> 01:26:57,665
it and then being able to column it at a certain period of time. Yeah. Yes,

1137
01:26:57,885 --> 01:27:01,165
sir. Um, is there also, uh, the, the opportunity

1138
01:27:01,985 --> 01:27:04,645
to, um, uh, basically

1139
01:27:08,345 --> 01:27:11,965
you, you, you can, you're not precluded from doing it except by your bond

1140
01:27:12,465 --> 01:27:15,685
credit, your ratings and stuff from doing future bond programs,

1141
01:27:16,785 --> 01:27:20,505
as long as you can justify the financial capacity of the city to,

1142
01:27:20,945 --> 01:27:24,765
to carry it. Is that correct? Yes, sir. So, um, before we

1143
01:27:24,965 --> 01:27:28,545
issue the bonds, obviously we have, uh, bond writings done, um,

1144
01:27:29,025 --> 01:27:32,725
for each issuance, um, not necessarily when the bonds are authorized,

1145
01:27:33,545 --> 01:27:37,525
but with each tranche that we we issue there is that, and those tranches

1146
01:27:38,185 --> 01:27:42,105
can be, be periodically, um, issued

1147
01:27:42,905 --> 01:27:46,785
for actually public payment. That's what you did in the, in the, uh,

1148
01:27:47,225 --> 01:27:51,125
in your scheduling over the period of years so that you don't,

1149
01:27:51,515 --> 01:27:55,365
even though we're, we've committed to it, there's interest maybe accruing, but we

1150
01:27:55,525 --> 01:27:58,885
don't actually have to lend the, you know, borrow the money physically

1151
01:27:59,705 --> 01:28:03,645
and, and use it until we, we really need it. Y

1152
01:28:03,825 --> 01:28:07,525
yes, with the exception that there is no interest accruing from the time that it's authorized,

1153
01:28:08,145 --> 01:28:12,045
any interest only accrues from when you actually issue. Oh, so that's great too. So we have

1154
01:28:12,405 --> 01:28:15,635
the flexibility in not having to actually issue the bond immediately.

1155
01:28:16,505 --> 01:28:19,275
yes, sir. Um, my question with regard to the, uh, 9 1 1,

1156
01:28:20,625 --> 01:28:24,565
uh, and emergency operations center, uh, is the $40 million that

1157
01:28:24,845 --> 01:28:28,365
was projected, is that, uh, was that a

1158
01:28:28,885 --> 01:28:32,625
relocation cost? Was there, is there additional costs, uh,

1159
01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:36,165
associated with that, with that potential relocation?

1160
01:28:37,065 --> 01:28:40,645
if, if we're considering that? I'll allow peter to answer

1161
01:28:41,125 --> 01:28:44,695
question related to that. Uh,

1162
01:28:45,315 --> 01:28:49,295
cbre and, and some other consultants developed that number. Um, and

1163
01:28:50,545 --> 01:28:54,315
it's a holistic number based on the program and the performance

1164
01:28:55,045 --> 01:28:58,695
specs, um, that gets you to a modern, um,

1165
01:28:59,495 --> 01:29:03,395
uh, design criteria and get you to, um, what

1166
01:29:03,685 --> 01:29:07,645
the industry best practices are. So, uh, I made a very good example here is the

1167
01:29:07,805 --> 01:29:11,545
dallas county eoc that opened today. There was a ribbon cutting there. Um,

1168
01:29:11,865 --> 01:29:15,605
we worked on that project and many of those numbers are highly applicable,

1169
01:29:16,545 --> 01:29:20,445
um, to a variety of scenarios, um, that, um, that the

1170
01:29:20,605 --> 01:29:24,325
city has contemplated and is contemplating. Uh, so we feel the numbers pretty tight

1171
01:29:24,845 --> 01:29:28,285
'cause it's based on very recent comps. Um, and, and so

1172
01:29:28,965 --> 01:29:32,505
relative to the public safety training complex and the, um,

1173
01:29:33,025 --> 01:29:36,925
and, uh, we could, we could also, uh, go ahead and get them

1174
01:29:37,175 --> 01:29:41,085
authorized by the public, but if we decide not to, uh, execute

1175
01:29:41,585 --> 01:29:45,095
the full amount that we need or we don't need as much because we've done other

1176
01:29:45,765 --> 01:29:49,445
fundraising opportunities, we'd have the flexibility jack of moving that money

1177
01:29:50,185 --> 01:29:53,555
around within that category of public safety potentially,

1178
01:29:54,825 --> 01:29:58,245
uh, potentially. But on the law enforcement training, uh, center,

1179
01:29:58,945 --> 01:30:02,575
um, I think we're ready to go on that. Um, we're at a point where

1180
01:30:03,315 --> 01:30:06,605
there's been significant fundraising and we're still about 82 million

1181
01:30:07,375 --> 01:30:10,965
short on that. And so, so that, that would be a one. And I was thinking about the public safety

1182
01:30:11,685 --> 01:30:15,685
training complex. That could be something that, that we would be authorizing in

1183
01:30:15,845 --> 01:30:19,565
a future. Potentially. We can borrow the money. I mean, we can authorize the bonds,

1184
01:30:19,945 --> 01:30:23,565
but we don't necessarily have to spend it right away. That is correct. Okay. Thank you

1185
01:30:25,825 --> 01:30:29,665
ms. Blair, you recognize for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor, and

1186
01:30:29,885 --> 01:30:33,765
thank you, um, mr. Ireland for this presentation.

1187
01:30:34,505 --> 01:30:38,315
and peter, for all your assistance in getting all the information we need done.

1188
01:30:39,265 --> 01:30:43,105
um, with the bonds, how often do

1189
01:30:43,325 --> 01:30:46,685
we normally go for a new bond package?

1190
01:30:49,965 --> 01:30:53,535
I would say the typical is about every, um, five years

1191
01:30:54,505 --> 01:30:58,455
we have been, uh, getting authorization, uh, four to five years. There

1192
01:30:58,805 --> 01:31:02,245
have been some years that we've done very small, just maybe three propositions.

1193
01:31:03,145 --> 01:31:06,945
and, uh, so it's kind of varied, but typically five. And

1194
01:31:07,165 --> 01:31:11,165
the current, I apologize, the current 2024 bond program was designed

1195
01:31:11,325 --> 01:31:14,985
to be implemented over five years. We've, we've started two,

1196
01:31:15,455 --> 01:31:19,405
we've got three remaining. Then in 2029, we would anticipate the next

1197
01:31:19,605 --> 01:31:22,985
bond program at, at this particular point. So

1198
01:31:23,715 --> 01:31:27,685
this would be, uh, an if we do a 2026, that would be

1199
01:31:27,845 --> 01:31:31,825
an off cycle, correct? Yes ma'am. That would be an off cycle. How

1200
01:31:32,045 --> 01:31:35,965
much was the last, the 2024 bond? What's the total amount of the 2024

1201
01:31:36,525 --> 01:31:38,465
bond package? Uh, 1.25 billion.

1202
01:31:40,865 --> 01:31:44,605
and now we're, if we do 1 20 26, how much are we

1203
01:31:45,455 --> 01:31:49,225
projecting we would need just for, just for the,

1204
01:31:49,595 --> 01:31:53,425
this cycle and what would it be for? So for the, uh,

1205
01:31:53,785 --> 01:31:57,685
public safety facility proposition, if we chose to do that,

1206
01:31:58,465 --> 01:32:02,325
um, if we can pull up slide number 26, uh, as

1207
01:32:02,565 --> 01:32:06,085
a summary of the $441 million that we would include in that,

1208
01:32:06,865 --> 01:32:10,385
um, law enforcement training center at unt 82 million.

1209
01:32:12,065 --> 01:32:15,825
the public safety training complex we've been talking about red

1210
01:32:16,075 --> 01:32:18,725
bird, or I'm sorry, executive airport, 149 million,

1211
01:32:20,625 --> 01:32:23,415
the relocation of 9 1 1 and eoc 40 million,

1212
01:32:24,945 --> 01:32:28,885
the property room and evidentiary, uh, vehicle storage 150

1213
01:32:29,785 --> 01:32:32,605
and fire station four would be 20. So $441 million.

1214
01:32:35,145 --> 01:32:38,445
if we did, um, based on, uh, this presentation.

1215
01:32:39,665 --> 01:32:43,135
and then if we also chose to do a pension obligation

1216
01:32:43,995 --> 01:32:47,825
bond, which would be a separate proposition, uh,

1217
01:32:48,265 --> 01:32:52,125
we are suggesting up to 500 million for that. So then that

1218
01:32:52,285 --> 01:32:56,125
would be 941,000,941. Mm-hmm . On

1219
01:32:56,325 --> 01:33:00,285
top of the one point whatever billion we already, so we are looking closer to a

1220
01:33:00,405 --> 01:33:04,105
$2 billion package over two year o over within

1221
01:33:04,585 --> 01:33:08,435
the five years. From 24 through 29? Yes, correct. Okay.

1222
01:33:08,905 --> 01:33:12,645
um, so what's the impact on the

1223
01:33:13,085 --> 01:33:17,005
payers for all these bond packages? Do they need to pay higher property

1224
01:33:17,175 --> 01:33:20,585
taxes or in, in order to

1225
01:33:21,945 --> 01:33:25,685
pay back these loans? 'cause a bond is actually a loan, isn't it? Yes ma'am,

1226
01:33:26,005 --> 01:33:29,925
it is. Um, so the bond gets us cash upfront to make the capital

1227
01:33:30,155 --> 01:33:33,685
improvement. We pay it back over 20 years with, uh, principal

1228
01:33:34,265 --> 01:33:37,845
and interest. Um, all of our modeling at this point

1229
01:33:38,355 --> 01:33:42,305
assumes no change to the property tax rate. And so,

1230
01:33:42,865 --> 01:33:46,705
uh, we have a tax rate that's split between general fund and debt service, and

1231
01:33:47,185 --> 01:33:50,835
our modeling does not anticipate a change in the tax rate.

1232
01:33:51,685 --> 01:33:55,255
a property owner's actual tax bill will of course be based upon their

1233
01:33:55,775 --> 01:33:59,435
value and the tax rate. So as values go up, we know that

1234
01:34:00,025 --> 01:34:03,645
the tax bill goes up, but that's a factor of the value, not the rate.

1235
01:34:04,305 --> 01:34:07,795
so in order to pay this, these, this,

1236
01:34:08,695 --> 01:34:12,635
these bonds or loans back, we do need

1237
01:34:12,925 --> 01:34:16,745
to figure out how to get 'em done, correct? Uh, yes

1238
01:34:16,975 --> 01:34:20,885
ma'am. But, uh, as we do it, I've been sensitive to think that

1239
01:34:21,085 --> 01:34:24,765
the council is not interested in a tax rate increase. So I keep try to keep

1240
01:34:25,105 --> 01:34:28,345
the capacity within that level. But

1241
01:34:29,495 --> 01:34:33,045
would it not be fair to say that eventually you can't keep

1242
01:34:33,595 --> 01:34:36,445
borrowing yourself out of a, a hulk? Is that not correct?

1243
01:34:38,065 --> 01:34:42,045
I'm not the, you know, I'm not the financial wizard that some of my, my, my colleagues

1244
01:34:42,785 --> 01:34:46,375
are, but basic, when I do my bills

1245
01:34:46,825 --> 01:34:50,805
at the end of the month, I can't borrow more money to, to pay off another

1246
01:34:51,155 --> 01:34:54,405
loan. I, I eventually, I gotta pay live within my means, correct?

1247
01:34:55,225 --> 01:34:58,945
yes ma'am. And we would be living within our means. We would not be asking

1248
01:34:59,585 --> 01:35:03,385
to borrow more than we have the capacity to

1249
01:35:03,625 --> 01:35:07,075
pay back. And so what's important to know is because

1250
01:35:07,655 --> 01:35:11,365
we've been borrowing money so many years every year,

1251
01:35:11,835 --> 01:35:15,365
because we always have bond programs going, we're always repairing

1252
01:35:15,925 --> 01:35:19,715
streets, we're always building a library or a fire station. So every year

1253
01:35:20,455 --> 01:35:24,185
after we'd financed for 20 years, some old debt rolls off

1254
01:35:25,205 --> 01:35:29,195
a new, a new debt, new debt is layered on. So as we pay off one bond

1255
01:35:29,555 --> 01:35:33,435
from, um, 2016, 2006, then

1256
01:35:33,725 --> 01:35:37,405
we add in something in 2026 and something rolls off from 2007,

1257
01:35:38,625 --> 01:35:42,565
we add in something from 27. So let me ask another

1258
01:35:43,125 --> 01:35:46,405
question. Um, well, let me say this.

1259
01:35:47,285 --> 01:35:51,205
district eight, my district is one of the largest districts in the, the city. We have

1260
01:35:51,425 --> 01:35:55,345
almost a hundred thousand residents in district eight. We

1261
01:35:55,565 --> 01:35:59,425
are really the, one of the most diverse districts there are. We have five rec

1262
01:35:59,645 --> 01:36:03,165
center, 27 parks, two trails, over 500 horses,

1263
01:36:03,825 --> 01:36:07,585
one equine vet center, and a new rodeo. That's

1264
01:36:08,005 --> 01:36:11,815
diverse, correct? Yes ma'am. And we have one of the least

1265
01:36:13,185 --> 01:36:16,925
amount of infrastructure there is. I have a development

1266
01:36:17,595 --> 01:36:21,135
that could put in 400 new units,

1267
01:36:21,905 --> 01:36:25,815
but I don't have enough sewer line, my sewer line can't

1268
01:36:26,185 --> 01:36:30,005
get those develop, get that development out there. So how do

1269
01:36:30,245 --> 01:36:32,965
I get this paid for and do all the stuff we need to do?

1270
01:36:35,945 --> 01:36:39,845
so you're asking me a little bit outside of my area, and I probably would want to call on

1271
01:36:40,285 --> 01:36:43,965
economic development to help figure that deal out, uh, or, uh, dallas

1272
01:36:44,295 --> 01:36:47,755
water utility to help with the, the fact of the sewer expansion.

1273
01:36:48,465 --> 01:36:52,445
so, uh, but I'm, no, the question is, and let me, let me rephrase

1274
01:36:52,785 --> 01:36:56,595
the question. These are my needs. These are the things that I need, I need,

1275
01:36:56,975 --> 01:37:00,345
right now, we don't have the budget

1276
01:37:01,265 --> 01:37:05,065
to take care of these things. Do we, ma do we sit, uh, miss, uh,

1277
01:37:05,675 --> 01:37:09,385
miss bert? Do we have the, the, the money right now in the, the,

1278
01:37:09,705 --> 01:37:12,785
in the coffers to pay for all these things that infrastructure

1279
01:37:14,235 --> 01:37:18,045
streets and, and, and, and still do the repairs

1280
01:37:18,525 --> 01:37:22,365
on city hall? Thank you so much for the question on councilwoman blair. And I've, I've

1281
01:37:22,645 --> 01:37:26,485
stated publicly, um, previously that from an expense

1282
01:37:26,845 --> 01:37:30,725
standpoint and from a revenue standpoint, and I know that in the slide deck that

1283
01:37:30,885 --> 01:37:34,405
you have before you, it talks about the things that we would have to do to either increase,

1284
01:37:35,065 --> 01:37:38,705
um, revenues or we would have to find a way to decrease our, expend our

1285
01:37:39,085 --> 01:37:43,045
expenses. So we need to interrupt you for just a moment.

1286
01:37:43,585 --> 01:37:47,525
um, it's four o'clock. I wanted to take, uh, a 10 minute

1287
01:37:47,905 --> 01:37:51,765
recess. We can all, uh, have a little bit of a break. So those of

1288
01:37:51,925 --> 01:37:55,765
you who need to, oh, come on man. Take care of some business, can take care of some business,

1289
01:37:56,345 --> 01:37:58,205
but we'll reconvene in 10 minutes.

1290
01:38:01,165 --> 01:38:01,165
okay,

1291
01:38:06,065 --> 01:38:09,425
4 39. And we have resumed

1292
01:38:11,265 --> 01:38:15,195
with the, uh, briefing. So, um, um, city

1293
01:38:15,475 --> 01:38:19,155
manager, I think we're, we're, we're at I think 53

1294
01:38:19,825 --> 01:38:23,795
seconds, madam secretary with, uh, ms. Blair had the floor

1295
01:38:24,335 --> 01:38:27,905
is when we left, where we left off 53. If you could set the clock back to approximately

1296
01:38:28,755 --> 01:38:32,495
53 or

1297
01:38:32,775 --> 01:38:36,255
pretty close, if you can get close, that's the close you can get. And ms. Blair,

1298
01:38:37,175 --> 01:38:39,535
you have the floor. Okay, so, um,

1299
01:38:44,905 --> 01:38:48,705
how, okay, how, oh, it's been a minute. So let

1300
01:38:48,925 --> 01:38:52,885
me, let me re let me correct something. In district a,

1301
01:38:53,065 --> 01:38:56,965
we have, uh, major area of, uh, property

1302
01:38:57,085 --> 01:39:00,725
that has been a recently annexed one of the last places

1303
01:39:01,145 --> 01:39:05,105
of property that had been recently annexed, which means we are in

1304
01:39:05,405 --> 01:39:09,235
a large need of infrastructure. So how will our bond

1305
01:39:09,625 --> 01:39:12,825
pa bond programs and the, the, uh,

1306
01:39:13,715 --> 01:39:17,585
need to either renovate, remodel and

1307
01:39:17,805 --> 01:39:21,585
bring the city up to the city, building up to

1308
01:39:22,805 --> 01:39:26,425
standards? Uh, ha what will happen to the, the district, my

1309
01:39:26,885 --> 01:39:30,885
district and their needs? Thank you so much for the question.

1310
01:39:31,065 --> 01:39:34,925
uh, councilwoman, uh, blair, one of the things that we talked about, if you go back to

1311
01:39:35,545 --> 01:39:38,405
how we laid out slides 44 and 45,

1312
01:39:40,015 --> 01:39:43,795
we've had a lot of comments that have been made in the prior weeks regarding,

1313
01:39:44,465 --> 01:39:47,755
uh, the need to fund repairs out of, for cash using cash.

1314
01:39:48,865 --> 01:39:52,825
and we know that our current general fund has

1315
01:39:53,805 --> 01:39:57,685
existing budget pressures and there are budget pressures going forward, whether we're talking

1316
01:39:57,845 --> 01:40:01,685
about pension, which mr. Ireland has given you a complete rundown of

1317
01:40:01,885 --> 01:40:05,765
where we are currently with our pension plan. Uh, whether you're talking about the increase

1318
01:40:05,925 --> 01:40:09,865
in our police officers pay, um, employee health insurance, all

1319
01:40:10,085 --> 01:40:13,965
those things or things that they just don't go away. So we would still have to

1320
01:40:14,445 --> 01:40:18,225
continue to fund those. Um, I would say that those are priorities for

1321
01:40:18,465 --> 01:40:22,245
the city. So then the other option is to use the city's credit card,

1322
01:40:22,485 --> 01:40:26,405
which is issue in debt. Mr. Ireland has laid out that if you were to

1323
01:40:26,605 --> 01:40:30,195
do that, your future bond program, which we planned

1324
01:40:31,065 --> 01:40:34,775
for that to be around 2029, you would actually limit

1325
01:40:35,465 --> 01:40:38,925
the amount of money that you would then have for that bond program. And I believe the number

1326
01:40:39,705 --> 01:40:43,685
was around 300 million would be the amount

1327
01:40:43,965 --> 01:40:47,765
that you would have available to then do any other future programs beginning

1328
01:40:48,365 --> 01:40:51,945
with that year. So it is definitely a, um,

1329
01:40:53,245 --> 01:40:57,225
a, an option, but it also comes with the

1330
01:40:57,465 --> 01:41:01,465
impact of what then you cannot continue or how

1331
01:41:01,685 --> 01:41:04,885
you have to push out the bond program that we are currently in the middle of, which is 2024,

1332
01:41:05,945 --> 01:41:09,925
and then the impact that you would have on the upcoming bond program, which is currently

1333
01:41:10,245 --> 01:41:14,195
planned for 2029. So I can't tell you which exactly

1334
01:41:15,205 --> 01:41:19,035
propositions then the city council would want to support with that

1335
01:41:19,345 --> 01:41:23,185
number, that $300 million number. We know that currently our

1336
01:41:23,535 --> 01:41:26,565
needs as it relate to infrastructure, we still don't have

1337
01:41:27,685 --> 01:41:31,545
adequate funding even in the existing bond program to bring all of our

1338
01:41:31,765 --> 01:41:35,685
infrastructure needs, um, across the city up to the scalable levels that

1339
01:41:35,965 --> 01:41:39,885
we're looking for. So it is a decision, it's a

1340
01:41:40,005 --> 01:41:43,725
hard one, um, but it definitely does come with, um, um, the limitations

1341
01:41:44,205 --> 01:41:47,645
that you would have for being able to continue to address some of those

1342
01:41:48,325 --> 01:41:51,945
priority needs that we've heard from our residents, which is how the

1343
01:41:52,485 --> 01:41:55,925
existing bond program was uh, developed. So thank you for the question

1344
01:41:56,785 --> 01:42:00,575
and just to say I have the most septic tanks

1345
01:42:00,945 --> 01:42:04,925
in the city of dallas, which is just ahead of being in the back in

1346
01:42:05,205 --> 01:42:08,825
a outhouse. Thank you. Alright, thank you very much. Seeing

1347
01:42:09,265 --> 01:42:12,965
no one else in the queue, we'll move on to our speakers now. Madam secretary. Thank you.

1348
01:42:19,205 --> 01:42:20,995
we're done. We're done.

1349
01:42:24,645 --> 01:42:28,395
thank you, mr. Mayor. The speakers that are registered

1350
01:42:28,675 --> 01:42:32,635
today are signed up to speak on agenda item three, therefore I will read

1351
01:42:32,795 --> 01:42:36,795
the item into the record. Agenda item three is authorized one a

1352
01:42:36,915 --> 01:42:40,705
phase city hall repair strategy for 1500 marilla

1353
01:42:41,195 --> 01:42:44,935
street as presented on june 3rd, 2026, and

1354
01:42:45,215 --> 01:42:49,115
to the city manager to implement the selected phase city hall repair

1355
01:42:49,875 --> 01:42:53,835
strategy for 1500 marilla street in accordance with a proposed city

1356
01:42:54,075 --> 01:42:57,745
hall repair program. You do have several

1357
01:42:58,235 --> 01:43:01,875
individuals who have signed up to speak on this item. You speaker will be given one minute

1358
01:43:05,195 --> 01:43:08,985
speakers, you will have an opportunity to address the city council. Your

1359
01:43:09,275 --> 01:43:13,275
time will be presented on the monitor at the podium in the

1360
01:43:13,435 --> 01:43:17,035
center section here, and the podium is now to my left and your right,

1361
01:43:17,995 --> 01:43:21,915
I will call speakers in groups, the first group, when I call your name, I will ask that

1362
01:43:22,195 --> 01:43:25,835
you come forward and have a seat in the first three rows of this intersection

1363
01:43:30,055 --> 01:43:33,535
and virtual speakers. When I call your name, I will ask that you

1364
01:43:35,095 --> 01:43:38,935
please have your audio and video, uh, ready for

1365
01:43:39,855 --> 01:43:42,345
before you speak. Kevin walker, melissa lara,

1366
01:43:44,575 --> 01:43:48,375
robert walters, trey black, amanda moreno

1367
01:43:49,435 --> 01:43:52,935
lake, jim lake, michael trini,

1368
01:43:54,155 --> 01:43:56,415
michael alon, ana saeed,

1369
01:43:58,205 --> 01:44:02,125
luke, jo hill, adam cross, haw vahe,

1370
01:44:02,925 --> 01:44:06,805
jake milner, arthur santa maria, nanu

1371
01:44:07,715 --> 01:44:11,645
hon, jose avila, jennifer scripps,

1372
01:44:12,945 --> 01:44:16,675
frank miha, miha, amy

1373
01:44:17,025 --> 01:44:20,625
tharp, asmar reyes, canti

1374
01:44:21,265 --> 01:44:24,655
shesh and mark nunley. Kevin walker is virtual.

1375
01:44:25,955 --> 01:44:29,815
mr. Walker? Yes. Yes, you may begin.

1376
01:44:32,075 --> 01:44:36,065
thank you. Good afternoon, mayor and council members. Uh, my name is kelvin walker

1377
01:44:36,365 --> 01:44:40,345
and I serve as the ceo of the dallas citizens council. Uh, for over 90 years,

1378
01:44:40,765 --> 01:44:43,465
the dallas citizens council has brought together business

1379
01:44:45,095 --> 01:44:48,985
leaders to advanced missionary

1380
01:44:49,345 --> 01:44:52,825
initiatives, which have led significant progress for dallas for our infrastructure, healthcare, education,

1381
01:44:53,385 --> 01:44:57,125
and safety and economic development. The members of the citizens council proudly serve in the moments of

1382
01:44:57,415 --> 01:45:01,185
most for dallas. I'm here today to ask for the, because today's

1383
01:45:01,785 --> 01:45:05,305
decision comes down to one simple question, what is the best outcome for dallas?

1384
01:45:07,055 --> 01:45:10,335
this is a decision that we need to make that's not about the next budget site

1385
01:45:11,145 --> 01:45:14,705
decision about the next 50 years. I encourage you to move from

1386
01:45:15,305 --> 01:45:19,095
analysis to action, from evaluation to execution, and vote

1387
01:45:19,405 --> 01:45:20,775
to move forward toward with

1388
01:45:23,845 --> 01:45:27,825
for reimagining our area, the downtown area, to create a vibrant future for us in the

1389
01:45:27,945 --> 01:45:31,785
next generation. So I would encourage you to vote no on item three. Thank you for your time

1390
01:45:32,365 --> 01:45:34,385
and have thank you melissa lara.

1391
01:45:44,895 --> 01:45:48,465
good afternoon mayor, council members and city manager. My name is melissa lara,

1392
01:45:49,185 --> 01:45:52,845
co-founder of pico, a business born in oakland in 2016. Before

1393
01:45:53,505 --> 01:45:57,065
becoming an entrepreneur, I was a flight attendant for emirates based outta dubai for several years.

1394
01:45:57,995 --> 01:46:01,825
there at witness, a city wants to overlook for beginning in a desert, transform itself into

1395
01:46:02,025 --> 01:46:05,705
a global destination because leaders had the courage to think bigger.

1396
01:46:06,605 --> 01:46:10,545
dallas has that same potential. As a business owner, I have seen firsthand

1397
01:46:11,025 --> 01:46:14,505
what vision can do. Bishop parks became one of dallas' most visited destinations

1398
01:46:15,265 --> 01:46:19,145
because people like amanda lake and jim lake saw opportunity when

1399
01:46:19,385 --> 01:46:23,125
others saw risk. I've also seen the opposite or deep el

1400
01:46:23,595 --> 01:46:27,225
store went from our top performing location to one that we can no longer keep open

1401
01:46:28,195 --> 01:46:32,185
crime increase and visitors stop coming. A hard reminder than when we stop investing

1402
01:46:32,625 --> 01:46:36,425
in tour. City decline follows, this is about more than a building.

1403
01:46:36,855 --> 01:46:39,985
it's about economic development, creating jobs, attracting tourism,

1404
01:46:41,125 --> 01:46:44,945
growth and preservation can coexist that your time progress does not erase

1405
01:46:45,285 --> 01:46:49,020
our history. Thank you. They say yes to downtown vote no. And agenda item number

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01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:50,145
three. Thank you robert walters.

1407
01:46:57,295 --> 01:47:00,755
thank you. Good afternoon, counsel. Uh, my name is rob walters.

1408
01:47:01,545 --> 01:47:05,075
um, throughout most of my adult life, I've

1409
01:47:05,625 --> 01:47:09,285
sought ways to contribute to our betterment in the city.

1410
01:47:09,825 --> 01:47:12,735
uh, whether through service on the police and fire pension board,

1411
01:47:13,985 --> 01:47:17,895
uh, chairing the dallas citizens council, founding and leading, uh, clyde

1412
01:47:18,245 --> 01:47:22,035
warren park and other ways, including most recently, uh, are safe

1413
01:47:22,325 --> 01:47:26,075
in the city initiative. I've studied the issue

1414
01:47:26,605 --> 01:47:28,975
before you long and hard.

1415
01:47:30,655 --> 01:47:34,015
I appreciate the trade-offs, but there are no consequence

1416
01:47:34,775 --> 01:47:38,605
free decisions. And in my judgment, the

1417
01:47:38,825 --> 01:47:42,265
cost of rehabilitating this building, the cost of fewer

1418
01:47:42,915 --> 01:47:46,865
parks, police, or potholes filled is simply

1419
01:47:47,645 --> 01:47:51,545
far, far too great. I urge you to vote

1420
01:47:51,745 --> 01:47:55,575
against the city hall repair strategy, but even more

1421
01:47:55,895 --> 01:47:59,465
fundamentally, that's your time. Thank you.

1422
01:48:00,035 --> 01:48:01,665
thank you. Trey black.

1423
01:48:05,785 --> 01:48:09,665
trey black is not present. Amanda moreno lake.

1424
01:48:14,535 --> 01:48:17,785
good afternoon mayor, council members and city manager. My name is amanda moreno

1425
01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:22,345
lake. I'm a business owner and a resident of district one. As this

1426
01:48:22,635 --> 01:48:26,485
stage, you have heard all the arguments, are you going to do what's best for

1427
01:48:26,705 --> 01:48:30,385
the future of dallas? The numbers don't lie. Multiple

1428
01:48:30,985 --> 01:48:33,785
estimates, experts, and studies all point to the same direction.

1429
01:48:35,035 --> 01:48:38,625
continuing to pour taxpayers dollars into an aging facility

1430
01:48:39,205 --> 01:48:43,175
is not the best long-term investment. I know what

1431
01:48:43,465 --> 01:48:47,375
opportunities when I see them, I know what they look like. Look

1432
01:48:47,665 --> 01:48:51,355
at the facts and make decisions based on what's right for our city. Today

1433
01:48:51,725 --> 01:48:55,335
is an opportunity to choose growth over stagnation, opportunity

1434
01:48:56,055 --> 01:48:59,745
over maintenance and the future. Over the past vote note against agenda

1435
01:49:00,175 --> 01:49:04,145
item number three, gracia. And I hope you all have a blessed evening

1436
01:49:04,565 --> 01:49:07,305
and thank you for what you do. Thank you, jim lake.

1437
01:49:14,065 --> 01:49:17,955
good afternoon. My name is jim lake and I live in district one. I was born and raised

1438
01:49:18,295 --> 01:49:22,195
in north dallas and I've spent my entire career developing and repurposing neighborhoods

1439
01:49:22,695 --> 01:49:26,435
in north oak cliff and the dallas design district. Today I brought a few photos

1440
01:49:26,785 --> 01:49:30,635
with me. Uh, they were up there just a second ago. You have 'em in front of you.

1441
01:49:31,175 --> 01:49:34,835
um, one is a, uh, the, the, the top two photos of showing

1442
01:49:35,195 --> 01:49:38,825
the city hall site. Um, and there's from, from

1443
01:49:39,355 --> 01:49:43,195
1976 comparing with 2026, 50 years

1444
01:49:43,565 --> 01:49:47,515
later, it's the same site. 50 years later, nothing has changed with

1445
01:49:47,805 --> 01:49:51,745
still a zero tax base. Then you compare the photo with what was

1446
01:49:52,045 --> 01:49:55,955
a power plant in a rail yard in 1999 into what is now victory park.

1447
01:49:56,265 --> 01:50:00,125
in 2026, it went from 16 million in

1448
01:50:00,325 --> 01:50:04,315
tax value to 2.5 billion. And we've done this before. We know what to do. This

1449
01:50:04,605 --> 01:50:08,565
is a one time chance for us to have a bold vision and create a

1450
01:50:08,685 --> 01:50:12,605
destination that will blend culture and cultures that can and will

1451
01:50:12,845 --> 01:50:15,685
be the heartbeat of our city. That's your time. Thank you. Thank you.

1452
01:50:17,395 --> 01:50:19,145
mike. Michael trigon. Trigon.

1453
01:50:22,935 --> 01:50:26,925
thank you. Uh, my name's michael trigon. I'm the president of headington

1454
01:50:27,725 --> 01:50:31,625
companies. Uh, we've done and been doing business making

1455
01:50:32,245 --> 01:50:36,045
acquisitions and building various operations throughout

1456
01:50:36,525 --> 01:50:40,145
the city downtown, specifically including the jewel hotel, both phases

1457
01:50:40,565 --> 01:50:44,245
of the commissary 45 10 drake stone, which is the former

1458
01:50:44,615 --> 01:50:48,565
davis building, the eyeball, uh, all of stone street

1459
01:50:49,545 --> 01:50:53,475
and hampton social, which used to be iron cactus. I bring all

1460
01:50:53,635 --> 01:50:57,325
this up because we start with the premise. If we can find old stock

1461
01:50:57,815 --> 01:51:01,475
or stock that dates back that has unique elements

1462
01:51:02,135 --> 01:51:06,085
and not a a glass box, we try to save it. We've

1463
01:51:06,435 --> 01:51:10,395
won two preservation dallas awards and I think it's two, it

1464
01:51:10,595 --> 01:51:14,115
could be three, but nevertheless, we always try and save the building.

1465
01:51:14,725 --> 01:51:18,315
we've been in the same situation on a smaller scale that city hall is in.

1466
01:51:18,865 --> 01:51:22,715
it's an insidious place to be. It is always under budgeted

1467
01:51:23,295 --> 01:51:27,205
in terms of how much it will cost and ultimately, that's your time. Thank you. Thank

1468
01:51:27,555 --> 01:51:29,645
you michael alon,

1469
01:51:32,085 --> 01:51:35,295
mike avalon, 60 seconds. Here we go. Before I start, thank you for your service.

1470
01:51:36,915 --> 01:51:40,285
um, I wonder voice make my voice down on city hall.

1471
01:51:40,935 --> 01:51:44,775
I speak specifically as it relates to projects such as the bank of america

1472
01:51:45,265 --> 01:51:49,215
plaza, the redevelopment of the area around it. I support the redevelopment of the

1473
01:51:49,375 --> 01:51:53,095
current dallas city hall site as a transformative economic development

1474
01:51:53,535 --> 01:51:57,455
opportunity for downtown dallas. I believe dallas has an opportunity to create

1475
01:51:57,655 --> 01:52:01,535
lasting economic value, strengthen connectivity within downtown and surrounding

1476
01:52:01,775 --> 01:52:05,575
neighborhoods, and be catalytic to investment in the area for the other

1477
01:52:06,315 --> 01:52:10,175
underperforming undervalued assets. I believe redevelopment

1478
01:52:10,535 --> 01:52:14,525
this area will deliver meaningful generational benefits for all of our city.

1479
01:52:15,385 --> 01:52:19,235
while I recognize and respect the differing views surrounding this issue, my

1480
01:52:19,655 --> 01:52:23,615
position is grounding the long term economic vitality and competitiveness of dallas.

1481
01:52:24,435 --> 01:52:28,315
in my opinion, investing 500 to 650 million in

1482
01:52:28,535 --> 01:52:32,085
deferred maintenance in our existing city hall is regrettably, regrettably,

1483
01:52:33,555 --> 01:52:36,735
not approving. That's your time use of our city. Thank you. Thank you.

1484
01:52:37,885 --> 01:52:38,405
luke joko.

1485
01:52:51,085 --> 01:52:54,955
good afternoon, mayor johnson and council members. I'm here in support of

1486
01:52:55,175 --> 01:52:58,775
relocating dallas city hall and creating the opportunity for a catalytic project

1487
01:52:59,365 --> 01:53:03,365
that can help shape the future of downtown dallas. I simply want

1488
01:53:03,655 --> 01:53:07,575
to be a voice for my generation 'cause we'll be the ones living with

1489
01:53:07,815 --> 01:53:11,815
the outcome of this decision for the next 30 to 40 years. I grew up in

1490
01:53:11,935 --> 01:53:15,725
arlington and was a suburban kid who always wanted to come to dallas because

1491
01:53:16,215 --> 01:53:19,855
of the culture of the neighborhoods, the restaurants, the people, and the energy.

1492
01:53:20,775 --> 01:53:24,375
I drive to the original snuffers on lower greenville and through downtown because

1493
01:53:24,815 --> 01:53:28,775
it felt authentic. It felt interesting. I knew one day I wanted to live

1494
01:53:28,895 --> 01:53:32,855
here. Today I do live here. I work here, I invest here and I send

1495
01:53:33,015 --> 01:53:36,975
my kids to school here. And one thing I've learned is what makes cities special

1496
01:53:37,825 --> 01:53:41,635
isn't what happens inside the buildings. It's what happens between them. If I'm

1497
01:53:41,855 --> 01:53:45,375
gonna speak for my generation, I support relocating city hall

1498
01:53:46,135 --> 01:53:50,015
'cause I'm in favor of growth. I'm in favor of creating interesting places. That's your time where

1499
01:53:50,175 --> 01:53:53,045
people wanna live and work and play. Thank you. Thank you. Adam cross.

1500
01:54:04,065 --> 01:54:07,735
hello, my name is adam kraus. I'm a dallas native and downtown

1501
01:54:08,175 --> 01:54:12,035
business owner. Downtown dallas is dying and the losses of at and

1502
01:54:12,375 --> 01:54:15,885
t fifth third bank, neiman marcus, fox four news, the dallas mavericks

1503
01:54:16,495 --> 01:54:20,295
and dallas stars is only the beginning. It will continue to

1504
01:54:20,735 --> 01:54:24,475
compound and kill the small business owners who will not survive what comes next. Dallas

1505
01:54:24,995 --> 01:54:28,615
is about to lead the country in downtown office vacancy. And while there is 15,000

1506
01:54:29,295 --> 01:54:33,085
people who live in downtown today, there are zero new apartments, zero

1507
01:54:33,475 --> 01:54:37,455
new offices, and zero hotels under construction. While the rest of this region

1508
01:54:37,765 --> 01:54:41,535
thrives, the private market has already redlined downtown. Thank you mayor

1509
01:54:41,855 --> 01:54:45,725
johnson for having the courage to put this to a vote and say no more. Because

1510
01:54:46,275 --> 01:54:50,135
the vocal few are hammering the final nails into this coffin, wanting hundreds

1511
01:54:50,695 --> 01:54:54,205
of millions of taxpayer dollars spent on this decaying mausoleum

1512
01:54:55,115 --> 01:54:59,095
and handing the rest of the community the bill. This is the generational moment that

1513
01:54:59,255 --> 01:55:03,175
requires courage and conviction for a new people, uh, begging for a vibrant

1514
01:55:03,695 --> 01:55:07,505
downtown worth living in and worth believing in. Vote no on agenda item three. Thank

1515
01:55:07,855 --> 01:55:10,825
you. Thank you kean. Vashi.

1516
01:55:20,085 --> 01:55:23,555
alright, so I have been in, uh, working and

1517
01:55:24,115 --> 01:55:27,845
we own a property in, uh, downtown dallas. And it is a hotel that

1518
01:55:28,135 --> 01:55:31,855
is just right next door to city hall. Uh, been there for about

1519
01:55:32,195 --> 01:55:36,095
two years now and I thought after my first year, uh, the conversations I

1520
01:55:36,215 --> 01:55:40,075
would've be having with guests would be more so about, uh, places to see and

1521
01:55:40,345 --> 01:55:44,205
stuff to visit. But the biggest question I always get is, hey, is it safe

1522
01:55:44,405 --> 01:55:48,245
to walk outside? Is that walk that I'm talking about is right across this city

1523
01:55:48,445 --> 01:55:52,105
hall land, uh, right adjacent. The only place my guests

1524
01:55:52,555 --> 01:55:56,195
need to go is right down young street and they don't feel safe traveling

1525
01:55:56,805 --> 01:56:00,565
that walk. So I think, you know, with the $3 billion convention center that

1526
01:56:00,925 --> 01:56:04,745
we're putting together, that walk is not gonna get any

1527
01:56:04,965 --> 01:56:08,785
friendlier if we don't do anything with this area over here. So I believe that, um,

1528
01:56:09,905 --> 01:56:13,895
and I ask you guys to vote, uh, vote no and, um, relocate city hall. Thank

1529
01:56:14,245 --> 01:56:14,925
you. Thank you

1530
01:56:18,915 --> 01:56:19,305
jake milner.

1531
01:56:24,765 --> 01:56:26,295
jake milner is not present.

1532
01:56:28,995 --> 01:56:29,945
author santa maria

1533
01:56:36,445 --> 01:56:40,235
mayor and council members. Thank you. The consequences of a

1534
01:56:40,635 --> 01:56:43,635
declining downtown are not confined to just downtown

1535
01:56:45,075 --> 01:56:48,885
southern dallas is directly affected when big corporations close their

1536
01:56:49,475 --> 01:56:53,135
downtown offices and facilities. And when major investment is

1537
01:56:53,595 --> 01:56:56,945
redirected elsewhere, we've seen this pattern before.

1538
01:56:58,095 --> 01:57:01,655
major opportunities move north, north, and north. While

1539
01:57:02,205 --> 01:57:06,025
southern dallas is told to sit down and be patient, you now

1540
01:57:06,245 --> 01:57:10,245
have an opportunity to break that pattern. Southern dallas has the most to

1541
01:57:10,445 --> 01:57:14,325
lose if downtown continues to weaken and the most to gain if you choose

1542
01:57:14,565 --> 01:57:18,505
to act boldly. Today, some of us are focused on growing and

1543
01:57:18,725 --> 01:57:22,685
investing in southern dallas, and the wrong move here could pull that rug out from

1544
01:57:22,885 --> 01:57:26,605
under us. I urge you to vote known to repairing this

1545
01:57:26,925 --> 01:57:30,605
building so we can pursue the kind of investment that can benefit downtown and

1546
01:57:31,005 --> 01:57:34,695
southern dallas together. Thank you. Thank you sauna saeed.

1547
01:57:39,095 --> 01:57:42,745
good afternoon, mayor and council. I serve as president of the farmer's market stakeholders

1548
01:57:43,335 --> 01:57:47,265
association and I'm a downtown dallas resident. I'm here to urge you to

1549
01:57:47,385 --> 01:57:51,205
vote no on item three. There is no great city that reaches its

1550
01:57:51,425 --> 01:57:55,425
full potential without a strong downtown mayor, thank you for taking

1551
01:57:55,685 --> 01:57:59,645
on an issue that too many have avoided for years. And to the council members who

1552
01:57:59,865 --> 01:58:03,215
see the opportunity to reimagine and reinvest in our urban core.

1553
01:58:03,875 --> 01:58:07,665
thank you. Please fight for downtown. Listen, the businesses,

1554
01:58:08,185 --> 01:58:11,795
residents and stakeholders who want to stay here but are exhausted from years of delay

1555
01:58:12,425 --> 01:58:16,345
division and inaction, we have a chance to turn the page and

1556
01:58:16,545 --> 01:58:20,505
create the kind of downtown that attracts investment, talent, residents, and opportunity

1557
01:58:21,085 --> 01:58:24,505
for generations to come. It's go time, be bold, act quickly,

1558
01:58:25,165 --> 01:58:29,065
and lead downtown dallas should be the heart of this region, not a

1559
01:58:29,185 --> 01:58:32,935
footnote to its suburbs. Thank you. Thank you. Nanu

1560
01:58:33,725 --> 01:58:33,725
ong.

1561
01:58:37,755 --> 01:58:39,515
it's not present. Jose avila.

1562
01:58:50,235 --> 01:58:53,845
good afternoon. I want to express my gratitude to mayor johnson,

1563
01:58:55,235 --> 01:58:58,865
city manager tolbert and the council members who were ready to vote yes

1564
01:58:59,785 --> 01:59:03,285
on dallas's future. And we're prepared to put our communities

1565
01:59:03,995 --> 01:59:07,965
over this building. Thank you. Do not be discouraged.

1566
01:59:08,745 --> 01:59:12,365
we have your back. Hold the line. Let's see this through. Together

1567
01:59:14,285 --> 01:59:17,375
now to the residents of dallas. Pay attention to what happened yesterday.

1568
01:59:18,475 --> 01:59:22,475
three council members who don't even bother to show up or at

1569
01:59:22,635 --> 01:59:26,555
least left. Uh, three council members sued the city

1570
01:59:26,675 --> 01:59:30,645
in the name of transparency or proper process. A judge granted their

1571
01:59:31,155 --> 01:59:35,095
tro, it blocked the relocation vote, it blocked the redevelopment vote, but

1572
01:59:35,315 --> 01:59:39,225
it did not conveniently. Block item three, the vote to spend your

1573
01:59:39,515 --> 01:59:43,395
money to repair this building. That one upcoming serves the agenda

1574
01:59:43,655 --> 01:59:47,275
of those three people who filed the suit, which is at best a remarkable

1575
01:59:47,875 --> 01:59:51,875
coincidence. That's your time. I urge you to vote no on item three. And thank you for being

1576
01:59:51,995 --> 01:59:53,555
here. Thank you. Jennifer scripps.

1577
02:00:04,985 --> 02:00:08,915
good afternoon, mayor city council. My name is jennifer scripps. It's my

1578
02:00:09,035 --> 02:00:12,615
honor to serve as the president and ceo of downtown dallas, inc.

1579
02:00:13,175 --> 02:00:16,755
for nearly 70 years, ddi has helped lead downtown through periods of transition.

1580
02:00:17,735 --> 02:00:21,615
and I think we can all agree after the last couple of weeks we are at a period of

1581
02:00:21,835 --> 02:00:25,825
transition. This week you received further confirmation that any responsible

1582
02:00:26,615 --> 02:00:30,435
repair and renovations for this building would take years and cost taxpayers

1583
02:00:30,935 --> 02:00:34,875
at minimum hundreds of millions of dollars last week. Also, ddi

1584
02:00:35,235 --> 02:00:39,215
met with a hundred residents, stakeholders and visionaries to plan the future of

1585
02:00:39,635 --> 02:00:43,255
downtown. I urge you not to spend hundreds of million dollars to repair

1586
02:00:44,175 --> 02:00:48,075
and try to modernize this facility, but instead to put it

1587
02:00:48,195 --> 02:00:52,015
into the needs of our community and work with us as we plan downtown, as

1588
02:00:52,315 --> 02:00:56,225
a multi-purpose seven day a week active and vibrant urban core

1589
02:00:56,515 --> 02:00:59,675
that we can all be proud of. Thank you so much. Thank you,

1590
02:01:00,805 --> 02:01:01,655
frank opolis.

1591
02:01:09,895 --> 02:01:13,785
good evening, mayor johnson, manager tolbert city council members, particularly

1592
02:01:14,225 --> 02:01:17,385
those who are present today. I'm frank opolis corn properties,

1593
02:01:18,365 --> 02:01:22,185
and I've been coming to this place since 1978 when mayor falso was mayor.

1594
02:01:22,845 --> 02:01:26,665
and I've been very privileged and blessed of doing projects in the city and in

1595
02:01:26,865 --> 02:01:30,865
the southern sector that have transformed neighborhoods and areas. I'm very particular

1596
02:01:31,445 --> 02:01:35,205
in this particular area. I've also had fortunate to remodel and repurpose old

1597
02:01:35,585 --> 02:01:38,865
buildings, old balls around the country at the same time.

1598
02:01:39,665 --> 02:01:43,525
my family has been involved in, in the businesses of downtown since 1976.

1599
02:01:44,985 --> 02:01:48,905
we fed people here and I've seen this area transform to

1600
02:01:49,125 --> 02:01:53,085
nothing and particularly in the area of downtown there, tax based economic development.

1601
02:01:53,985 --> 02:01:57,965
and today it's a watson time opportunity to free up 50

1602
02:01:58,335 --> 02:02:01,965
acres next to the convention center, to they create a new major

1603
02:02:02,825 --> 02:02:06,535
to create a campus that no other major city has in the united states. 50 acres

1604
02:02:06,885 --> 02:02:10,805
in quarter city. The city hall's. Impressive. That's your time on a, on a

1605
02:02:10,925 --> 02:02:14,345
pulse card. Vote no on proposition three today, please.

1606
02:02:15,015 --> 02:02:18,825
thank you. Stop the insanity. Amy tharp. Amy thorpe.

1607
02:02:25,995 --> 02:02:29,865
uh, good afternoon council members and mayor,

1608
02:02:31,215 --> 02:02:34,895
I just wanna say, say I'm sorry, I'm, I'm sorry

1609
02:02:35,435 --> 02:02:37,535
you're not allowed to speak at this time.

1610
02:02:40,215 --> 02:02:44,115
amy tharp. My name is amy tharp and I serve as the

1611
02:02:44,275 --> 02:02:48,135
chief operating officer at downtown dallas inc. Downtown dallas is

1612
02:02:48,375 --> 02:02:52,275
at a pivotal moment today more than 16,000 residents called

1613
02:02:52,795 --> 02:02:56,435
downtown home. And through our big moves planning efforts that

1614
02:02:56,955 --> 02:03:00,595
jennifer just referred to, we are working to double and even triple that population

1615
02:03:01,195 --> 02:03:05,145
in the years ahead. That growth matters. A thriving residential

1616
02:03:06,115 --> 02:03:09,755
downtown creates long-term tax value for the city, supports

1617
02:03:10,595 --> 02:03:13,155
businesses and strengthens dallas's economic competitiveness.

1618
02:03:14,775 --> 02:03:18,425
we have a responsibility to ensure that major public investments

1619
02:03:19,545 --> 02:03:23,455
support that momentum rather than limit it. This is

1620
02:03:23,755 --> 02:03:27,545
a generational decision at a time when downtown's growth presents such significant

1621
02:03:28,305 --> 02:03:31,995
opportunity. We believe there's a path, one that creates greater

1622
02:03:32,565 --> 02:03:36,475
value for taxpayers, supports continued residential growth and positions

1623
02:03:37,035 --> 02:03:40,935
downtown and dallas for long-term success. We respectfully urge you

1624
02:03:41,155 --> 02:03:44,675
to reject a costly repair strategy and pursue that path instead.

1625
02:03:45,325 --> 02:03:48,795
thank you. Thank you. Uh, smar reyes.

1626
02:03:53,545 --> 02:03:57,475
good afternoon everyone. Thank you. Uh, citizens of dallas. I just

1627
02:03:57,635 --> 02:04:01,595
wanna say you'll make it quick and short and simple. We already lost

1628
02:04:01,955 --> 02:04:05,075
a lot here. I'm sorry. Mr. Reyes, your video needs to be displayed.

1629
02:04:06,665 --> 02:04:10,475
okay. So you are in favor. Um, I'm in

1630
02:04:10,795 --> 02:04:13,095
favor of this city. Um,

1631
02:04:15,495 --> 02:04:19,095
good afternoon. Can you, are you guys everybody to hear me? Yes, you may continue. Okay.

1632
02:04:20,945 --> 02:04:24,885
um, I mean, good afternoon everyone from dallas. We already lost a lot here in this beautiful

1633
02:04:25,285 --> 02:04:29,005
city of dallas. We lost the mavericks, we lost the stars

1634
02:04:29,865 --> 02:04:33,675
and I don't wanna lose anything else. Um, we need

1635
02:04:33,965 --> 02:04:36,725
to redevelop this building because of the maintenance costs.

1636
02:04:38,875 --> 02:04:42,705
um, I just wanna say how, um, by

1637
02:04:42,945 --> 02:04:46,845
us, by us keeping this building right here, we're

1638
02:04:47,195 --> 02:04:50,915
in keep an historic building, but we're in least dallas in the history books

1639
02:04:51,855 --> 02:04:55,405
as one of the cities that once was and didn't

1640
02:04:56,065 --> 02:05:00,055
continue to be. Dallas has great potential. We're in the heart of the

1641
02:05:00,355 --> 02:05:04,205
dfw area and if we shall continue to be, then we

1642
02:05:04,405 --> 02:05:07,645
need to reinvest in, uh, infrastructure

1643
02:05:09,845 --> 02:05:13,325
and I support, uh, moving this item forward. Thank you.

1644
02:05:13,855 --> 02:05:15,445
thank you. Canti resh

1645
02:05:21,265 --> 02:05:21,995
canti ssh,

1646
02:05:27,955 --> 02:05:31,855
uh, best wins or respected mayor, uh, council members, city manager

1647
02:05:32,275 --> 02:05:36,015
and the staff. My name is conti ti and uh, I am a business owner

1648
02:05:36,395 --> 02:05:40,255
at district eight and I stand in support of moving this item

1649
02:05:40,495 --> 02:05:44,375
forward. Our city hall has served dallas with honor and distinction

1650
02:05:45,315 --> 02:05:48,625
and its place in our history is secure. But every generation

1651
02:05:49,595 --> 02:05:53,335
is entrusted with a responsibility greater than preserving

1652
02:05:53,815 --> 02:05:56,845
the past alone. And years from now, future generations

1653
02:05:58,085 --> 02:06:02,055
will not ask whether we protected a building. They will ask whether

1654
02:06:02,355 --> 02:06:05,855
we had the vision to strengthen our city, the courage to embrace opportunity

1655
02:06:06,875 --> 02:06:10,875
and the wisdom to leave dallas better than we found it. And

1656
02:06:11,345 --> 02:06:14,935
today, the dallas we cherish was built by the visionary leaders

1657
02:06:15,715 --> 02:06:19,215
who dared to think beyond their own time. I respectfully

1658
02:06:19,945 --> 02:06:23,135
asked you to do the same and thank you very much.

1659
02:06:24,745 --> 02:06:26,395
thank you mark nunley.

1660
02:06:29,725 --> 02:06:33,175
thank you, uh, mayor, members of the council. My name is mark nunley.

1661
02:06:33,915 --> 02:06:37,635
I am a cpa. I've spent my 50 year career reading financial

1662
02:06:38,195 --> 02:06:41,855
statements, stress testing, projections, and cutting through numbers to find the truth inside

1663
02:06:42,275 --> 02:06:46,105
them. The numbers on the city hall decision are the clearest I've

1664
02:06:46,395 --> 02:06:49,815
ever seen. Here are the numbers, the fully loaded cost to stay, 1.49

1665
02:06:50,675 --> 02:06:54,315
to 1.6 billion. The cost to relocate using the most expensive

1666
02:06:55,195 --> 02:06:59,075
scenario, 482 million as a cpa. I can tell

1667
02:06:59,235 --> 02:07:02,275
you what that means. Over $1 billion in savings

1668
02:07:03,375 --> 02:07:07,315
to the taxpayers. We cannot afford to do anything else. I

1669
02:07:07,435 --> 02:07:11,155
did not come here to push a predetermined outcome. I came here because I looked at the numbers

1670
02:07:12,015 --> 02:07:15,275
and the numbers are unambiguous. Please vote no on item three.

1671
02:07:16,805 --> 02:07:20,715
thank you. I will now call the next group. When I call your name,

1672
02:07:20,875 --> 02:07:24,275
please come forward and have a seat on the first three rows in this intersection.

1673
02:07:26,465 --> 02:07:30,205
kirk presley, jim schutz, janie

1674
02:07:30,635 --> 02:07:34,525
schultz, matthew bach, andrew cola, karen

1675
02:07:35,325 --> 02:07:39,075
muncy, jamie jolly, rudy kami, michael

1676
02:07:39,765 --> 02:07:43,425
wiseberg, sarah crane, stephanie dka,

1677
02:07:44,755 --> 02:07:48,235
jessica stewart liny, john eichman,

1678
02:07:50,715 --> 02:07:51,965
issa terranova, melissa martinez,

1679
02:07:54,965 --> 02:07:58,955
mary francis young has canceled. Matthew mabel and

1680
02:07:59,175 --> 02:08:03,055
mike davis. And I will ask if you're virtual to have your video

1681
02:08:03,355 --> 02:08:05,325
and audio ready. Kirk presley.

1682
02:08:07,885 --> 02:08:11,375
good evening, mayor and council. My name is kirk presley and my wife and I live at 46 0 3

1683
02:08:12,365 --> 02:08:16,135
west university boulevard in district six. I'm here to speak in opposition

1684
02:08:16,575 --> 02:08:20,575
to agenda item three. In 2017, boston began repairing

1685
02:08:21,075 --> 02:08:24,855
its city hall in a 30 year phase repair plan. It is also a brutalist

1686
02:08:25,255 --> 02:08:28,495
style building of almost exactly the same size and age as our city hall.

1687
02:08:29,555 --> 02:08:31,435
at the time, they thought it would only cost 225,000,008

1688
02:08:34,135 --> 02:08:37,735
years later. Just the parts they have priced so far, which is only the first decade

1689
02:08:38,195 --> 02:08:39,925
of work, will cost them over $440 million

1690
02:08:42,445 --> 02:08:46,095
with financing costs. They're on pace to spend over a billion dollars on the building.

1691
02:08:47,155 --> 02:08:51,045
we cannot afford to make the same mistake. Thank you

1692
02:08:51,385 --> 02:08:54,925
for voting no on agenda item three. Thank you

1693
02:08:55,465 --> 02:08:55,885
jim schutz.

1694
02:09:04,325 --> 02:09:07,665
jim schutz is not present. Honorable janie schultz.

1695
02:09:11,705 --> 02:09:13,925
janie schultz is not present. Matthew bach.

1696
02:09:18,095 --> 02:09:20,565
matthew bach is not present. Andrew sla.

1697
02:09:22,955 --> 02:09:25,015
andrew sla is not present. Karen muncie.

1698
02:09:29,195 --> 02:09:32,075
karen muncie is not present. Jamie jolly

1699
02:09:36,745 --> 02:09:40,725
can I have afternoon mayor and council. I'm jamie jolly, president and ceo of the real

1700
02:09:40,885 --> 02:09:44,845
estate council and I appreciate the opportunity to address you this evening. Trek

1701
02:09:45,085 --> 02:09:48,875
does not support moving forward with a plan to renovate our current city hall.

1702
02:09:49,275 --> 02:09:53,165
instead, we support the redevelopment of the current city hall site as a once in

1703
02:09:53,365 --> 02:09:56,925
a lifetime opportunity to unlock one of dallas's most strategically

1704
02:09:57,605 --> 02:10:01,445
located properties. The current city hall site sits at the heart

1705
02:10:01,625 --> 02:10:05,605
of an area of downtown dallas that has faced challenges for decades and has never

1706
02:10:05,765 --> 02:10:09,565
reached its full potential. Redeveloping this site presents a generational

1707
02:10:10,045 --> 02:10:13,195
opportunity to connect the southern edge of the downtown core

1708
02:10:14,265 --> 02:10:18,195
to the ultimately to southern dallas. This kind of catalytic

1709
02:10:18,805 --> 02:10:22,605
investment can bring the city together and create a more vibrant, walkable,

1710
02:10:23,165 --> 02:10:27,085
and economically competitive city center. We've closely monitored the public

1711
02:10:27,605 --> 02:10:31,515
briefings, we've reviewed the comprehensive facility assessments and data-driven cost

1712
02:10:32,245 --> 02:10:35,205
estimates provided by experts and considered the broader conversation.

1713
02:10:36,545 --> 02:10:40,405
we respect that there are different views on this issue, but we hope that you will vote against

1714
02:10:40,755 --> 02:10:43,755
item three. Thank you. Thank you rudy kami.

1715
02:10:48,425 --> 02:10:51,955
good afternoon everyone. Rudy kami, the council district 14.

1716
02:10:52,955 --> 02:10:56,635
I am still not a finance or real estate person. So let's hear from someone

1717
02:10:57,055 --> 02:11:00,715
who is, it kind of sucks to be a tenant in a lot of cases. Triple net. Triple

1718
02:11:01,135 --> 02:11:05,055
net, is that what you said? Triple net used in a lot of commercial real estate deals, but

1719
02:11:05,275 --> 02:11:09,115
if the roof leaks cost is passed along to the tenant, if something breaks a pipe, breaks

1720
02:11:09,555 --> 02:11:13,515
a cost is passed along to the tenant repairs and maintenance, a cost is passed along to the

1721
02:11:13,635 --> 02:11:17,425
tenant. If a piper's cost is passed along to the tenant, if a window breaks cost

1722
02:11:17,735 --> 02:11:21,595
is passed along to the tenant, somebody shoots it out, cost is passed along to the tenant

1723
02:11:22,315 --> 02:11:26,215
flooding, a lot of times that cost is passed along to the tenant. Real estate taxes go

1724
02:11:26,435 --> 02:11:30,355
up $500 in the year. The tenant's gotta absorb. That kind of sucks to

1725
02:11:30,515 --> 02:11:34,475
be a tenant in a lot of cases. Um, but if you've got the right building, they're willing to pay it.

1726
02:11:35,805 --> 02:11:39,675
shame on you. You wouldn't do this with your house, but you'll do it with ours. Thank you.

1727
02:11:40,225 --> 02:11:40,795
michael wiseberg.

1728
02:11:45,645 --> 02:11:49,445
I'm a native dallas side retired from a long career promoting cities and

1729
02:11:49,665 --> 02:11:53,385
areas for corporate relocation, including the old american

1730
02:11:53,985 --> 02:11:57,865
airlines when they moved here from new york. About 80% of my work was outta

1731
02:11:58,105 --> 02:12:01,985
state. I'm a student of cities. The idea that it's somehow more prudent

1732
02:12:02,425 --> 02:12:06,145
to scrape an iconic I am pay landmark than it is

1733
02:12:06,505 --> 02:12:10,095
to refurbish it as an insult to our taxpayers. The forced timetable

1734
02:12:10,725 --> 02:12:14,585
is reckless and suspicious in itself. A string of losing

1735
02:12:15,225 --> 02:12:19,155
football seasons or sports team relocation or normal parts

1736
02:12:19,925 --> 02:12:23,805
of a big city's ebb and flow recklessness in large matters is

1737
02:12:24,125 --> 02:12:28,105
not. I hope and I trust that our city council will not do

1738
02:12:28,585 --> 02:12:31,935
anything that would make dallas a laughing stock in the highest circles

1739
02:12:32,645 --> 02:12:36,605
of other american cities and perpetuate the stereotype of

1740
02:12:36,865 --> 02:12:40,765
a city run by bankers and developers for their private good. We

1741
02:12:40,985 --> 02:12:44,795
are better than that, but we must show it. Thank you. Thank

1742
02:12:45,145 --> 02:12:45,635
you, sarah crane.

1743
02:12:55,435 --> 02:12:59,225
hello? My name is sarah crane and I'm the executive director of preservation dallas.

1744
02:12:59,645 --> 02:13:03,355
and I'd just like to remind everybody that we actually are making this decision today

1745
02:13:04,005 --> 02:13:07,765
in light of no additional information when it comes to the cost of

1746
02:13:08,075 --> 02:13:12,065
abandoning this building. Um, I'd also like to say that this building is neither

1747
02:13:12,365 --> 02:13:16,125
an albatross nor a magic bullet for downtown. Saying

1748
02:13:16,645 --> 02:13:20,625
yes to downtown redevelopment should not mean having to say no to repairing this

1749
02:13:20,905 --> 02:13:24,865
building. I mean, this is dallas. We have the old right next to the new across the

1750
02:13:25,065 --> 02:13:28,885
city. It's actually what makes our city so rich and our community so

1751
02:13:29,105 --> 02:13:32,985
unique. Dallasite deserve to to have it all a vibrant downtown and

1752
02:13:33,715 --> 02:13:37,485
this dallas city hall. But this process to renew downtown will take time.

1753
02:13:38,445 --> 02:13:42,405
a thoughtful, comprehensive business strategy and investment, city of dallas investment.

1754
02:13:43,225 --> 02:13:47,065
and it starts right here because you can say yes to investing in downtown. And

1755
02:13:47,285 --> 02:13:51,205
you can start by saying yes to repairing this dallas city hall. Thank you.

1756
02:13:51,735 --> 02:13:54,265
thank you stephanie dka.

1757
02:14:02,825 --> 02:14:06,595
I am pe once said, architecture is the very mirror of life. Mayor

1758
02:14:06,945 --> 02:14:10,695
johnson, you called this building obsolete. A reflection of your disdain

1759
02:14:11,345 --> 02:14:15,315
for what? It represents the will of the people. Resilient, unyielding,

1760
02:14:16,865 --> 02:14:20,345
concrete pay design, city hall to withstand the test of time,

1761
02:14:21,245 --> 02:14:25,015
the test of people like you who view sentimentality as a weakness when

1762
02:14:25,305 --> 02:14:28,705
in fact it's our greatest strength. The capacity to connect

1763
02:14:29,325 --> 02:14:33,245
to counter false narratives intended to divide. Before this, many didn't

1764
02:14:33,665 --> 02:14:37,465
know who im pay was and what this building truly meant, but your miscalculation

1765
02:14:38,305 --> 02:14:42,295
taught us what a treasure we have to protect here. Do the right thing, restore

1766
02:14:42,785 --> 02:14:46,705
the people's house to its full glory. Otherwise, future generations will remember what

1767
02:14:46,865 --> 02:14:50,785
they were robbed of, how we fought to keep it. And you'll be the one

1768
02:14:51,065 --> 02:14:52,545
cemented in history as obsolete.

1769
02:14:55,995 --> 02:14:59,585
thank you, jessica stewart lin.

1770
02:15:02,295 --> 02:15:06,245
good evening everyone. Um, the numbers issued for

1771
02:15:06,655 --> 02:15:10,585
repairs by the consultant to date, consultants to date are rough

1772
02:15:11,265 --> 02:15:15,105
planning numbers. Even their own documents say that these are numbers that are

1773
02:15:15,805 --> 02:15:19,625
in a rough order of magnitude. They are not meant to make these

1774
02:15:19,865 --> 02:15:23,735
types of decisions. I'm here to ask you to vote

1775
02:15:24,765 --> 02:15:28,685
yes to the repairs, yes to downtown, but also yes to

1776
02:15:28,905 --> 02:15:32,905
the process. To me, this building is a model of our democracy.

1777
02:15:34,485 --> 02:15:38,475
and the democracy piece and the building piece

1778
02:15:39,245 --> 02:15:42,265
are both being threatened in this process.

1779
02:15:43,885 --> 02:15:47,595
um, the building teaches us that the heart

1780
02:15:48,365 --> 02:15:52,015
of our city is our government center. This

1781
02:15:52,485 --> 02:15:56,045
is the center of a vibrant downtown. You cannot remove

1782
02:15:56,605 --> 02:16:00,605
the heart and have this ai generated, um,

1783
02:16:01,585 --> 02:16:05,305
vibrancy. It doesn't exist without the heart. That's your time. This is the center.

1784
02:16:05,675 --> 02:16:09,455
thank you. Thank you, john eichman.

1785
02:16:12,885 --> 02:16:16,335
john eichman is not present.

1786
02:16:18,755 --> 02:16:19,235
risa terranova.

1787
02:16:22,945 --> 02:16:26,915
theresa terranova is not present. Melissa martinez.

1788
02:16:32,285 --> 02:16:35,375
melissa martinez is not online. It's not present.

1789
02:16:37,635 --> 02:16:41,125
mary francis young is counsel. Matthew mabel. Matthew

1790
02:16:41,745 --> 02:16:44,525
mabel is not present. Mike davis,

1791
02:16:55,455 --> 02:16:58,945
mike davis. Uh, good evening, uh, mayor. Present members

1792
02:17:00,085 --> 02:17:02,525
of the city council. I'm here to rally you.

1793
02:17:04,195 --> 02:17:07,655
I'm here to also remind you though that as we look towards

1794
02:17:09,135 --> 02:17:12,705
redevelopment of this downtown environment,

1795
02:17:13,645 --> 02:17:16,875
it must include strong opportunities

1796
02:17:18,265 --> 02:17:21,715
for the hospitality restaurant and nightlife uses

1797
02:17:22,475 --> 02:17:26,205
that will make downtown vibrant. I'm in support

1798
02:17:27,985 --> 02:17:31,485
of using city hall as a down payment

1799
02:17:32,345 --> 02:17:35,965
on the future. I'm representative of my generation of millennials

1800
02:17:37,265 --> 02:17:41,125
and I grew up with my mom around my, with my mom while she was working here for over

1801
02:17:41,285 --> 02:17:45,165
35 years. So I know all about city hall. I I've been and

1802
02:17:45,365 --> 02:17:49,165
played down in l three, so I know it very well. This needs to be

1803
02:17:49,485 --> 02:17:53,245
a down payment on the future. We deserve it.

1804
02:17:54,235 --> 02:17:58,125
vote that's your time against those repairs. Thank you. Thank you.

1805
02:17:58,925 --> 02:18:02,565
I will now call the next group of speakers. When I call your name, please come forward and have a seat

1806
02:18:03,065 --> 02:18:06,055
in the first three rows of this intersection. Mark grace,

1807
02:18:07,865 --> 02:18:11,265
joanna hampton, abigail clawson, bell betson,

1808
02:18:12,195 --> 02:18:16,035
dolores leve, soroka, debbie orka soli,

1809
02:18:17,535 --> 02:18:21,535
pj moton, mckayla watkins, kristen atwell,

1810
02:18:24,515 --> 02:18:28,365
alicia tis has canceled, will let forsyth li, kate

1811
02:18:28,685 --> 02:18:31,965
parrish, sean buckley, ruben land

1812
02:18:33,695 --> 02:18:37,435
ed zara, benjamin boyer, george aranda,

1813
02:18:37,995 --> 02:18:41,375
marcel quimbee, jose pena has canceled. Sidney walker,

1814
02:18:42,235 --> 02:18:45,215
yvonne walker, jed ulrich,

1815
02:18:46,955 --> 02:18:50,735
andrew bieri, and arianna smith.

1816
02:18:51,605 --> 02:18:51,605
mark grace may

1817
02:19:00,975 --> 02:19:03,815
begin. This is a good time to breathe.

1818
02:19:05,435 --> 02:19:09,025
you know, uh, um, this is kind of a, we we're,

1819
02:19:09,555 --> 02:19:13,555
uh, acting out a psychodrama here, the citizenry. One

1820
02:19:13,775 --> 02:19:17,215
minute, one minute, one minute. Uh, and we're rushing

1821
02:19:17,955 --> 02:19:21,945
to make our points. Uh, I want to give my gratitude to everybody who's

1822
02:19:22,325 --> 02:19:25,335
endured this long day to have their say as citizens.

1823
02:19:26,475 --> 02:19:29,365
and I just want to add to my colleagues, especially

1824
02:19:30,695 --> 02:19:34,545
sarah crane's remarks. Uh, the numbers are not

1825
02:19:34,945 --> 02:19:38,805
as solid as people want them to be. This building

1826
02:19:39,665 --> 02:19:43,605
is a legacy and can be a legacy. It doesn't have to be a

1827
02:19:43,725 --> 02:19:47,725
false dichotomy between our future and this building.

1828
02:19:48,465 --> 02:19:52,275
as a matter of fact, sometimes constraints are what,

1829
02:19:52,705 --> 02:19:56,665
uh, help us to move towards creativity. So I'd

1830
02:19:56,885 --> 02:20:00,805
encourage you, I would challenge you. That's your time to move

1831
02:20:01,005 --> 02:20:05,005
forward in leadership and vote yes for this, uh, proposal.

1832
02:20:05,375 --> 02:20:07,325
thank you. Thank you joanna hampton.

1833
02:20:10,995 --> 02:20:14,715
good afternoon, honorable mayor, members of the city council, joanna hampton, 5 4 0 8

1834
02:20:15,725 --> 02:20:19,645
swiss avenue. The current debate is a patch for the

1835
02:20:20,045 --> 02:20:23,925
multiple issues that are facing downtown, and it does not provide a

1836
02:20:24,285 --> 02:20:27,395
cohesive solution for downtown or our full city.

1837
02:20:28,835 --> 02:20:32,745
this is a 200 to 400 year building. It's reflecting the quality of

1838
02:20:32,965 --> 02:20:36,965
the investment by our city. And I note this not to set the building

1839
02:20:37,065 --> 02:20:40,675
in amber, but to recognize the robust and lasting

1840
02:20:41,165 --> 02:20:44,765
framework provided to this city and its citizens for our city government.

1841
02:20:46,325 --> 02:20:49,995
I asked this council, what is the compelling reason for this site

1842
02:20:50,505 --> 02:20:54,345
in this building? I haven't heard a vision provided to us or

1843
02:20:54,565 --> 02:20:57,445
to you that would pro on the proposed relocation.

1844
02:20:58,875 --> 02:21:02,725
well, I believe city, cal city hall can and should be a part of our

1845
02:21:03,035 --> 02:21:07,005
revitalized and vibrant downtown. We must

1846
02:21:07,255 --> 02:21:10,675
start the work to create a shared vision that supports long

1847
02:21:11,315 --> 02:21:14,725
term solutions your time. Thank you. Thank you. Abigail clawson.

1848
02:21:20,805 --> 02:21:24,755
hello. Dallas city hall has become a kind of civic, civic scapegoat.

1849
02:21:25,265 --> 02:21:29,115
this building has been blamed for problems it did not create, and its destruction

1850
02:21:29,475 --> 02:21:33,435
cannot resolve. It is not why people are leaving downtown. It is

1851
02:21:33,595 --> 02:21:36,435
not why corporations relocate. It is not the cause of homelessness,

1852
02:21:37,695 --> 02:21:41,555
public distrust, or government dysfunction. Unless this council addresses

1853
02:21:42,155 --> 02:21:45,955
those actual challenges, those problems will remain regardless of what

1854
02:21:46,195 --> 02:21:50,015
happens to this building. My kids have attended five and

1855
02:21:50,235 --> 02:21:54,225
soon six different disd schools in our eight years here. Most

1856
02:21:54,515 --> 02:21:58,465
of these schools are decades older than city hall and somehow

1857
02:21:59,435 --> 02:22:03,435
thousands of children learn in them every day. If our schools can be maintained

1858
02:22:03,715 --> 02:22:07,195
and used for generations, why should the standard for city hall be different?

1859
02:22:08,075 --> 02:22:12,035
a building that is younger than I am dallas taxpayers paid

1860
02:22:12,275 --> 02:22:16,045
for this building, they deserve better than to watch it be discarded for the latest shiny

1861
02:22:16,505 --> 02:22:20,435
idea. It is simple. You have been elected to do good things and to

1862
02:22:21,005 --> 02:22:24,795
avoid doing bad things, vote yes on agenda number

1863
02:22:25,165 --> 02:22:27,425
three. Thank you. Thank you, bill betson,

1864
02:22:31,925 --> 02:22:35,895
howdy. It's an honor to be here and I want you to vote yes.

1865
02:22:36,495 --> 02:22:40,475
and the reason I want you to vote yes is I raised four kids in the

1866
02:22:40,555 --> 02:22:44,265
home I bought 51 years ago in south oak cliff, and I've

1867
02:22:44,675 --> 02:22:48,345
got nine grandkids and six great grandkids. And we need

1868
02:22:48,945 --> 02:22:52,235
this building to give an example of stability.

1869
02:22:53,455 --> 02:22:57,035
now, south oak cliff in 2016, we voted

1870
02:22:57,615 --> 02:23:01,585
to put $52 million to rebuild that school that

1871
02:23:01,875 --> 02:23:05,595
was old and torn up in a mess. We did it. The kids moved

1872
02:23:05,945 --> 02:23:09,855
into the school in 20 and in 21, they were the

1873
02:23:10,075 --> 02:23:13,925
first disd school to get a texas

1874
02:23:14,725 --> 02:23:18,685
state football five a championship in 50

1875
02:23:19,385 --> 02:23:23,335
some odd years. And then they did it again in 22, and

1876
02:23:23,555 --> 02:23:27,035
they did it again in 25. And in 25,

1877
02:23:28,265 --> 02:23:32,115
they also got the highest school effective that your

1878
02:23:32,315 --> 02:23:36,175
time indices score of all 37 high schools in

1879
02:23:36,395 --> 02:23:40,115
the city. Academic performance. That's your time in a fixed

1880
02:23:40,575 --> 02:23:44,535
school. Thank you dolores. Leve soroka,

1881
02:23:45,995 --> 02:23:49,795
I mean it. We're not gonna do the outburst thing. Okay, we're gonna start asking people

1882
02:23:50,075 --> 02:23:50,235
to leave

1883
02:23:55,845 --> 02:23:57,815
dolores levy soroka. I'm in district two.

1884
02:24:00,205 --> 02:24:04,205
the question is whether dallas will responsibly address the

1885
02:24:04,425 --> 02:24:08,225
needs of city hall or abandon a public asset that

1886
02:24:08,825 --> 02:24:12,695
taxpayers already own. No one has

1887
02:24:12,915 --> 02:24:16,875
really presented this council or the public with a complete

1888
02:24:17,035 --> 02:24:20,955
accounting of what it will cost to leave city hall. Therefore, the only

1889
02:24:21,175 --> 02:24:23,955
way you should vote today is yes or don't vote at all.

1890
02:24:25,825 --> 02:24:29,505
a phase repair strategy is the responsible fiscal conservative,

1891
02:24:31,425 --> 02:24:34,785
taxpayer focused solution. We paid for dallas city hall.

1892
02:24:35,445 --> 02:24:39,385
the responsible thing is to take care of it, not to walk

1893
02:24:39,655 --> 02:24:42,885
away from it. Thank you, debbie

1894
02:24:43,845 --> 02:24:44,755
orozco solis,

1895
02:24:49,705 --> 02:24:53,345
the deliberate garden, and the west warren heights neighborhood association. Let my dr.

1896
02:24:53,785 --> 02:24:57,325
pat stevens. I am here to tell you we do not

1897
02:24:57,795 --> 02:25:01,605
want city hall to leave. We want you to fix it. We need transparency

1898
02:25:02,385 --> 02:25:06,225
in all civic affairs when it involves a place that we call home and

1899
02:25:06,465 --> 02:25:10,005
is fully paid for that we own. We voted for each of you

1900
02:25:10,625 --> 02:25:14,565
to be a democracy for us. This design at city hall was structured

1901
02:25:14,925 --> 02:25:18,085
to last over 200 years. It was completed in 1978.

1902
02:25:19,065 --> 02:25:22,865
it decided to come to city hall and feel you have no voice because you

1903
02:25:23,125 --> 02:25:27,045
do not have a million dollars in the bank. I live in a

1904
02:25:27,165 --> 02:25:31,045
house that was built in 1924, requires constant maintenance and has undergone

1905
02:25:31,615 --> 02:25:35,555
three major res renovations. I pray you have good

1906
02:25:35,845 --> 02:25:39,815
principles and do not ent and do not be enticed by wealthy developers

1907
02:25:40,595 --> 02:25:44,525
because this is what I see today. Give us a voice, let us

1908
02:25:44,645 --> 02:25:48,285
speak, give us a what we need, give us more information, have meetings

1909
02:25:48,685 --> 02:25:52,685
with us. That's your time. And ignore, please don't ignore

1910
02:25:53,085 --> 02:25:55,575
us anymore. Thank you pj moton.

1911
02:25:58,715 --> 02:26:02,485
good afternoon. Uh, here joining you virtually, um, vote against

1912
02:26:03,035 --> 02:26:06,865
item three. This is bigger than a building. Relocating dallas city hall is

1913
02:26:07,085 --> 02:26:11,005
about whether dallas is willing to build for the future, not keep pouring money

1914
02:26:11,355 --> 02:26:15,265
into the past. See, the employees deserve a modern, clean, safe, and

1915
02:26:15,485 --> 02:26:19,225
innovative work environment. These people are the ones who serve us

1916
02:26:19,585 --> 02:26:23,485
our residents every day. And they should be expected. They should not be expected to do 21st

1917
02:26:24,045 --> 02:26:27,805
century work in a facility that no longer meets the needs of the 21st

1918
02:26:28,165 --> 02:26:32,085
century city dallas residents deserve better too. We deserve a

1919
02:26:32,205 --> 02:26:36,205
civic home that is accessible, welcoming, inspiring and worthy

1920
02:26:36,425 --> 02:26:40,245
of the city we are becoming. This past week we hit, uh, we faced

1921
02:26:40,765 --> 02:26:44,275
a, a number of major blows, including the dallas stars and the dallas mavericks.

1922
02:26:45,115 --> 02:26:49,005
both institutions were making bold decisions about their future. And dallas city hall must

1923
02:26:49,245 --> 02:26:53,165
do the same. A new city hall can be a more than a office building. It can be a

1924
02:26:53,285 --> 02:26:57,205
symbol of pride, progress, service, and possibility. I urge you to move

1925
02:26:57,405 --> 02:27:01,365
forward, forward with voting against item three. Thank you,

1926
02:27:02,355 --> 02:27:02,955
mikayla watkins.

1927
02:27:09,995 --> 02:27:13,805
good afternoon, mikayla watkins of district two. It is imperative to be understood

1928
02:27:14,205 --> 02:27:18,205
that our dedication and desire to save city hall is not merely sentimental in nature.

1929
02:27:19,025 --> 02:27:22,965
we, your constituents deserve full transparency rather than concepts of a plan

1930
02:27:23,515 --> 02:27:27,405
with no comparative data provided. How can one guarantee that demolition would be

1931
02:27:27,525 --> 02:27:31,525
less costly than preservation? We have heard little to no factual data regarding a

1932
02:27:31,645 --> 02:27:35,315
new or temporary location or the potential financial responsibilities that could accompany,

1933
02:27:36,075 --> 02:27:39,805
accompany, said relocation with numerous large scale projects pending,

1934
02:27:40,085 --> 02:27:43,525
including the bond supported improvements to the convention center and the $5 billion

1935
02:27:44,165 --> 02:27:47,905
replacement and relocation of ert. I find it necessary that you consider the

1936
02:27:48,325 --> 02:27:51,885
logistical nightmare of the concurrent pursuits of these projects, coupled with the pre-existing

1937
02:27:52,805 --> 02:27:56,765
construction and congestion of the affected areas. It is also important that we

1938
02:27:56,925 --> 02:28:00,845
do not overlook our unhoused brothers and sisters whose voices cannot be heard

1939
02:28:01,045 --> 02:28:05,045
in forums such as these with many of their shelters and resources existing in the area

1940
02:28:05,245 --> 02:28:09,165
which is planned to be redeveloped. We must be mindful of how these actions will displace them

1941
02:28:09,585 --> 02:28:13,535
and how we plan to continue your time providing this. Your thank you so much for your time. Thank

1942
02:28:13,885 --> 02:28:14,745
you. Kristen atwell.

1943
02:28:22,235 --> 02:28:26,235
hello, uh, my name is kristen atwell and I've lived in dallas for exactly 40

1944
02:28:26,585 --> 02:28:30,585
years. This is my first time to speak before city council. Um, I

1945
02:28:30,705 --> 02:28:34,445
own a marketing firm that turned 35 years this year. And, uh,

1946
02:28:35,285 --> 02:28:39,265
in 1999 we worked on this big vision downtown

1947
02:28:39,545 --> 02:28:43,405
dallas to 2005. Took five years and

1948
02:28:43,625 --> 02:28:47,205
visioned it out back when we used to print things on paper. Um,

1949
02:28:47,925 --> 02:28:51,905
and it took a really long time to work on. It was, it had in-house housing,

1950
02:28:52,725 --> 02:28:56,305
office renewal, hospitality development, transportation, entertainment,

1951
02:28:57,355 --> 02:29:01,265
parks and rec. We branded the pegasus project. We re-lit the horse

1952
02:29:01,525 --> 02:29:04,865
on top of the magnolia building. Uh, we marketed the 1954

1953
02:29:05,905 --> 02:29:09,905
republic tower. We watched the mercantile redevelop next to

1954
02:29:10,125 --> 02:29:13,965
our office. That was two blocks from here for 15 years. Um,

1955
02:29:15,125 --> 02:29:18,565
I'm gonna cut this as short as I can, but we are in support of

1956
02:29:19,225 --> 02:29:23,115
downtown vitality. The last time I was here, that's your time. There

1957
02:29:23,465 --> 02:29:27,465
were green shirts and they did not know why they were here. Thank you.

1958
02:29:27,585 --> 02:29:31,505
that was very interesting. Thank you. Alicia. Canceled

1959
02:29:32,295 --> 02:29:36,105
honorable tta forsyth lil it's is not

1960
02:29:36,305 --> 02:29:37,695
present. Kate parrish.

1961
02:29:48,205 --> 02:29:52,095
good evening. Kate parrish from district two. I'd like to echo a sentiment

1962
02:29:52,255 --> 02:29:56,215
of one of my colleagues back from march if city hall can't be saved, what does that mean

1963
02:29:56,335 --> 02:30:00,255
for the rest of us? Dallas likes to disinvest in most of

1964
02:30:00,455 --> 02:30:04,455
our public assets. Don't let city hall be another one of those. This is

1965
02:30:04,615 --> 02:30:08,575
our house. We pay for it. We continue to pay for it, and we're happy to pay for

1966
02:30:08,775 --> 02:30:12,315
it because it is an icon of looking forward. This is the

1967
02:30:12,895 --> 02:30:16,625
testament of dallas's future ever facing forward. Don't

1968
02:30:16,975 --> 02:30:20,735
tear it down. Continue to invest in it, please. Thank you. Thank you.

1969
02:30:21,765 --> 02:30:25,675
sean buckley. Sean buckley

1970
02:30:26,425 --> 02:30:29,755
is not present. Ruben landa,

1971
02:30:33,935 --> 02:30:37,885
honorable mayor, city manager, city council or council members. My

1972
02:30:38,105 --> 02:30:42,025
name is ruben landa. I live in victory park in district two, and I am the president

1973
02:30:42,265 --> 02:30:46,085
of the great dallas plan council. I recognize the historical importance of this building and

1974
02:30:46,305 --> 02:30:49,465
understand why some of you want to preserve it, but the council has a fiduciary responsibility

1975
02:30:50,405 --> 02:30:54,305
to spend public funds wisely and by any measure, the cost to

1976
02:30:54,505 --> 02:30:58,465
renovate and repair this building is simply too high and does not make physical sense.

1977
02:30:59,285 --> 02:31:02,945
saving this building will not save downtown. Your focus should be

1978
02:31:03,405 --> 02:31:07,175
on how to strengthen downtown today and position for the future. This

1979
02:31:07,465 --> 02:31:10,935
council voted 14 to one to approve the k bailey hutchinson master plan

1980
02:31:11,525 --> 02:31:15,295
voters didn't approve funding by 70 to 30% margin. That

1981
02:31:15,585 --> 02:31:19,015
plan is what you should be focused on, implementation of that plan, fully

1982
02:31:19,635 --> 02:31:23,605
full implementation of that plan. I ask this body to rise

1983
02:31:23,765 --> 02:31:27,645
above politics. Stop attacking those with different views and lead

1984
02:31:27,885 --> 02:31:31,465
with vision. But most importantly, stop wasting time. Dallas

1985
02:31:31,895 --> 02:31:35,885
needs leadership and it needs it. Now we need visionaries that are looking at the that's your

1986
02:31:35,925 --> 02:31:39,795
time and what's best for the city as a whole. Thank you. Thank you. It's

1987
02:31:40,155 --> 02:31:40,155
zara.

1988
02:31:49,685 --> 02:31:53,395
hello, ed zara, district of 14. It's better to own than rent

1989
02:31:54,025 --> 02:31:57,855
keep city hall taxpayer owed, owned and paid for no

1990
02:31:58,145 --> 02:32:01,985
rent. Save 148 million, no broker commission. Save

1991
02:32:02,365 --> 02:32:05,755
8.6 million no property taxes. Save 79 million

1992
02:32:07,265 --> 02:32:11,105
city hall is purpose built for 9 1 1 3 1 1. It's

1993
02:32:11,395 --> 02:32:14,855
a civic landmark preserved taxpayers will then pay

1994
02:32:15,595 --> 02:32:19,405
property tax. If you leave city hall, there's a $60 million demolition

1995
02:32:20,185 --> 02:32:23,925
cost. There's a quality of life cost of 20,000 truckloads

1996
02:32:24,595 --> 02:32:28,275
of debris being put on our streets. All lease

1997
02:32:28,625 --> 02:32:32,515
options that you're looking at have the same end of

1998
02:32:32,905 --> 02:32:35,345
service life concerns as city hall.

1999
02:32:37,405 --> 02:32:39,915
don't put your taxpayers on the hook for $157 million

2000
02:32:42,055 --> 02:32:46,045
in rent every 10 years into eternity. Thank

2001
02:32:46,395 --> 02:32:48,355
you. Thank you. Benjamin boyer.

2002
02:32:56,755 --> 02:33:00,585
thank you. Uh, before dallas commits billions of taxpayer dollars

2003
02:33:01,285 --> 02:33:05,205
to a new municipal complex, the city should first determine whether the

2004
02:33:05,425 --> 02:33:09,305
assumptions underpinning such an investment remain valid. In the 21st

2005
02:33:09,665 --> 02:33:13,145
century, advances in technology have enabled private sector to successfully

2006
02:33:13,905 --> 02:33:17,265
decentralize many administrative, financial, legal,

2007
02:33:18,045 --> 02:33:21,965
and customer service functions, um, have moved, uh,

2008
02:33:22,565 --> 02:33:25,865
to work from home and have improved and maintain productivity.

2009
02:33:29,245 --> 02:33:33,105
dallas has an opportunity to lead nationally by modernize, modernizing service

2010
02:33:33,945 --> 02:33:37,905
delivery and demonstrating responsible stewardship of public resources

2011
02:33:38,405 --> 02:33:41,145
in in increasingly digital age. Thank you.

2012
02:33:42,955 --> 02:33:45,375
thank you. George anda

2013
02:33:48,235 --> 02:33:51,415
george anda is not present. Marcel quimbee.

2014
02:34:03,195 --> 02:34:07,045
um, good afternoon, mayor and councilmen council

2015
02:34:07,535 --> 02:34:11,355
members. My name is marcel quimbee and I live in district 14. I'm

2016
02:34:11,885 --> 02:34:15,155
stunned at today's occurrence. And

2017
02:34:15,955 --> 02:34:19,845
as my first question is, what happened to the comparison of all the

2018
02:34:20,045 --> 02:34:23,395
options? The city has not provided anybody

2019
02:34:24,635 --> 02:34:28,105
with numbers for the other options as

2020
02:34:28,725 --> 02:34:32,365
promised, how can a city make any decision in a silo without understanding

2021
02:34:32,845 --> 02:34:36,365
the pros and cons and financial impact of all the options?

2022
02:34:37,045 --> 02:34:40,985
I just, it, it boggles my mind and I cannot understand that. You

2023
02:34:41,205 --> 02:34:44,825
know, and I urge city council to vote yes

2024
02:34:45,585 --> 02:34:49,565
to, to repair city hall or if you wanna take some more time

2025
02:34:49,865 --> 02:34:53,635
to, you know, address these issues and bring the numbers that

2026
02:34:53,925 --> 02:34:57,915
were promised, just put it on hold and we'll come back and talk about it when

2027
02:34:58,205 --> 02:35:02,205
we can have a realistic discus discussion with all of

2028
02:35:02,365 --> 02:35:06,245
the that's your time with all of the information needed to actually

2029
02:35:06,395 --> 02:35:10,275
make that your time discussion. That's your thank you. Jose pena is

2030
02:35:10,635 --> 02:35:11,555
canceled. Sidney walker

2031
02:35:18,135 --> 02:35:22,055
greetings. Sidney walker district seven. I just have a few questions

2032
02:35:22,315 --> 02:35:26,015
for you guys to ponder. So why was the commercial

2033
02:35:26,385 --> 02:35:30,095
class a office, the standard for the renovation estimate?

2034
02:35:31,795 --> 02:35:35,545
was the lease space option that was included in the report class

2035
02:35:36,095 --> 02:35:40,055
c or was it class a? 'cause there is a big price difference between those

2036
02:35:40,395 --> 02:35:44,095
two. Isn't class a the most expensive

2037
02:35:44,695 --> 02:35:48,275
to renovate to? So why would a government agency renovate office

2038
02:35:48,865 --> 02:35:52,495
space to class a? That's

2039
02:35:52,915 --> 02:35:56,705
not wise. So councilman west spoke last

2040
02:35:56,995 --> 02:36:00,055
night during his meeting. Um,

2041
02:36:01,055 --> 02:36:04,965
he would vote to stay if we have money to pay for the fixes.

2042
02:36:05,815 --> 02:36:09,635
do y'all have the money to pay to move? Where is that coming

2043
02:36:09,835 --> 02:36:13,135
from? What services and programs

2044
02:36:14,115 --> 02:36:17,955
and buildings and community sitters? Are you gonna close? That's

2045
02:36:18,375 --> 02:36:21,815
your time to move. Thank you. Thank you. Yvonne walker.

2046
02:36:26,225 --> 02:36:29,655
thank you. Yvonne. Walker's not present. Chad ulrich.

2047
02:36:33,095 --> 02:36:36,925
hello, chad ulrich, district one and I'm with the democratic socialist

2048
02:36:37,405 --> 02:36:41,405
america north texas chapter. These days we have a scam economy. Everything from ai that

2049
02:36:41,565 --> 02:36:45,425
isn't returning to on investment to presidential crypto. Just earlier this year, the city of

2050
02:36:45,655 --> 02:36:49,605
plano was adamant to leave dart to cut off their constituents from the region as well as the region from

2051
02:36:49,845 --> 02:36:53,485
plano to likely pay first half, a hundred million dollars arena. So a sports franchise,

2052
02:36:54,225 --> 02:36:57,885
cut up infrastructure and become a local landlord of the businesses at a time when 1600

2053
02:36:58,405 --> 02:37:02,165
pennsylvania avenue has a giant crater in it. Without congressional approval and a possibly permanent

2054
02:37:02,525 --> 02:37:06,355
octagon in front of it, I employed you to keep this building at 1500 marilla street. This

2055
02:37:06,645 --> 02:37:10,645
will not solve your budget or the downtown problem, but it will be a step in the right

2056
02:37:10,765 --> 02:37:14,455
direction. The time is now for us as a city to define what we are. Times

2057
02:37:14,805 --> 02:37:18,635
change in corporations and sports teams go running for the next handout they

2058
02:37:18,925 --> 02:37:22,885
can find under the cover story of a rundown downtown. The time is now to

2059
02:37:23,085 --> 02:37:26,965
get creative with our city hall in a space around it, make it an anchor and form of our

2060
02:37:27,125 --> 02:37:31,085
city with housing built, nearby housing or a grocery store downtown will do more to

2061
02:37:31,245 --> 02:37:35,245
bring businesses than some genocidal owned basketball team. What will

2062
02:37:35,405 --> 02:37:39,405
happen to that? That's your time will be the most sterile corporate owned thank you entertainment. Thank, thank you.

2063
02:37:39,705 --> 02:37:43,345
yes to yes. Uh, yes to three. Thank you. Andrew

2064
02:37:44,425 --> 02:37:47,205
zui is not online, it's not present.

2065
02:37:49,325 --> 02:37:52,935
ariana smith. Good afternoon, mayor

2066
02:37:53,385 --> 02:37:56,805
and city council members. My name is ariana smith and I'm a downtown homeowner.

2067
02:37:58,225 --> 02:38:02,065
I'm opposed to repairing city hall on the dime of taxpayers and urge you

2068
02:38:02,285 --> 02:38:06,275
all to vote no to item three. Downtown dallas should be the

2069
02:38:06,595 --> 02:38:10,195
economic and cultural heart of our city. Instead, it has become increasingly

2070
02:38:10,955 --> 02:38:14,755
defined by vacant storefronts, underutilized land, and growing concerns

2071
02:38:15,315 --> 02:38:19,155
about crime. For too long, downtown has fallen short of its potential.

2072
02:38:20,255 --> 02:38:24,195
you all have an opportunity to change that by, by, by voting no to item

2073
02:38:24,445 --> 02:38:27,995
three and support a redevelopment of the land in and around city hall.

2074
02:38:29,435 --> 02:38:33,115
redeveloping this property will attract investment, great jobs and bring new

2075
02:38:33,515 --> 02:38:37,355
residents, businesses and energy to downtown. This is more than

2076
02:38:37,635 --> 02:38:40,715
a redevelopment project. It is an opportunity to revitalize

2077
02:38:41,675 --> 02:38:45,655
downtown dallas as a thriving destination to live, work, visit, and

2078
02:38:45,895 --> 02:38:49,755
invest with your leadership downtown can once again become the heart

2079
02:38:50,105 --> 02:38:52,995
goal for them. Thank you. Thank you.

2080
02:38:54,385 --> 02:38:58,235
I'll now call the next group of speakers. When I call your name, please come forward and

2081
02:38:58,395 --> 02:39:02,235
have a seat on the first three rows of this intersection. And also

2082
02:39:02,515 --> 02:39:05,525
that ask that virtual speakers, please have your video and audio ready.

2083
02:39:07,545 --> 02:39:11,345
iani ume. Sean jensen. Betty neil,

2084
02:39:12,455 --> 02:39:16,185
venton jones, sam williams, ronnie mees,

2085
02:39:17,775 --> 02:39:21,495
jim anderson, claudia fowler, joe

2086
02:39:21,865 --> 02:39:24,545
tave, yolanda williams, charles williams

2087
02:39:25,935 --> 02:39:29,825
ii david voss, mary lou, paris, sean todd,

2088
02:39:31,685 --> 02:39:35,295
kevin pfeiffer and erica cole. Ani je

2089
02:39:39,355 --> 02:39:41,565
ani je is not present. Sean jensen.

2090
02:39:46,815 --> 02:39:50,355
sean jensen. Okay. Sean jensen

2091
02:39:51,345 --> 02:39:54,835
is not present. Betty neil.

2092
02:39:58,695 --> 02:39:59,115
betty neil.

2093
02:40:06,895 --> 02:40:10,605
betty neil. Hi. Thank you for having me today.

2094
02:40:11,505 --> 02:40:15,285
uh, to the mayor and to the council. For 46 years, I've been a dallas resident

2095
02:40:15,745 --> 02:40:19,305
and I respect our city's history and the importance of preserving iconic

2096
02:40:20,045 --> 02:40:23,965
buildings when it makes financial sense. But good stewardship is not

2097
02:40:24,165 --> 02:40:27,595
about preserving a building at any cost. It's about making responsible

2098
02:40:28,765 --> 02:40:32,625
decisions with taxpayer dollars. The

2099
02:40:32,845 --> 02:40:36,685
reality is dallas city hall is an aging facility designed for a whole different

2100
02:40:37,065 --> 02:40:40,365
era. 600 million is only repairing deferred maintenance,

2101
02:40:41,305 --> 02:40:45,185
not renovating. The result would be the same old stained carpet, the

2102
02:40:45,405 --> 02:40:49,165
same outdated restrooms. The stone aged furniture spending hundreds

2103
02:40:49,605 --> 02:40:53,365
of millions would force difficult choices about real priorities, including

2104
02:40:53,785 --> 02:40:57,395
animal service, street maintenance, parks, recreation centers, libraries,

2105
02:40:58,305 --> 02:41:02,165
and other service we residents rely on daily. We also have to think

2106
02:41:02,325 --> 02:41:06,025
about the future of downtown dallas, redeveloping the city hall site to

2107
02:41:06,565 --> 02:41:10,565
generate new private investment, expand the tax base, create jobs, and bring

2108
02:41:10,825 --> 02:41:13,645
new energy to our urban core. That's your time. Dallas compete.

2109
02:41:14,975 --> 02:41:18,285
thank you. Thank you. Benton jones is not present.

2110
02:41:19,385 --> 02:41:23,355
sam williams. Hello.

2111
02:41:24,045 --> 02:41:27,985
sam williams, district nine. Not a part of citizens council or the regional chamber.

2112
02:41:28,725 --> 02:41:32,465
and in support of keeping the building, I only have a short time. Uh, I've got financial

2113
02:41:32,905 --> 02:41:36,655
concerns based on current understanding and don't feel like we have enough data. There's

2114
02:41:37,145 --> 02:41:41,105
blank and unknown figures in the original agenda around relocation, lack of

2115
02:41:41,425 --> 02:41:44,505
research around renting estimates and tear down costs. If we were to leave,

2116
02:41:45,445 --> 02:41:49,345
why are we listening to business interests here, but not to their disinterest from lack

2117
02:41:49,625 --> 02:41:53,425
of private investment in the police facility? Maybe we should be a bit more selective

2118
02:41:53,975 --> 02:41:57,545
with assigning them credibility. Not to mention the convention center already delaying

2119
02:41:58,025 --> 02:42:01,895
investments across the city. Economic analysis, including the st. Louis federal reserve,

2120
02:42:02,545 --> 02:42:06,385
consistently supports the conclusion. Investment in large stadiums does not

2121
02:42:06,585 --> 02:42:10,425
significantly approve financial outcomes of the area. Is a hotel really

2122
02:42:10,785 --> 02:42:14,705
what we want at the center of our city? A casino? This does not mean

2123
02:42:14,865 --> 02:42:18,825
we must keep a current status quo. When the city solicited designs to reimagine the area.

2124
02:42:19,085 --> 02:42:22,705
we received hundreds of designs and ideas. Some of the most exciting of said designs

2125
02:42:23,185 --> 02:42:26,765
came time from student organizations. That's your time. Thank you. Thank you. Ronnie

2126
02:42:27,495 --> 02:42:27,495
meus.

2127
02:42:35,425 --> 02:42:38,795
good afternoon, mayor. Uh, ronnie meus, west dallas, texas. You know that already.

2128
02:42:39,615 --> 02:42:43,385
um, district six. Um, this has just, it's

2129
02:42:43,675 --> 02:42:47,655
it's been horrible. This whole process has been non-transparent. Uh,

2130
02:42:48,375 --> 02:42:52,085
you having meetings yesterday for the first time over this issue?

2131
02:42:52,495 --> 02:42:56,315
um, dallas has a problem with identity. A lot of these people

2132
02:42:56,515 --> 02:43:00,275
here that are, are, are for the change. Uh, wouldn't sell

2133
02:43:00,555 --> 02:43:04,415
their homes to come and live downtown. You know, downtown should be a vibrant, and

2134
02:43:04,835 --> 02:43:08,715
I think we all agree on that. It should be vibrant. Should be someplace you want to go?

2135
02:43:09,285 --> 02:43:13,205
where wrigley field built 1914. I feel sorry for the people that don't

2136
02:43:13,525 --> 02:43:17,405
understand or, or just refuse to understand that what history's about. You know, when

2137
02:43:17,685 --> 02:43:21,685
you see a something that's like that, you know, it is just, I,

2138
02:43:21,885 --> 02:43:25,245
I, I don't, I can't grasp it, but, uh, it's an identity process.

2139
02:43:26,105 --> 02:43:29,745
you know, you only have where kennedy got shot or either

2140
02:43:30,295 --> 02:43:34,165
state fair, one of those two. That's what you used to come to dallas for. And you wanna make it vibrant

2141
02:43:34,545 --> 02:43:37,765
for everybody to come to dallas. That's your time. Thank you. Thank you.

2142
02:43:38,785 --> 02:43:42,275
jim anderson. Jim

2143
02:43:42,815 --> 02:43:45,235
anderson is not present. Claudia fowler.

2144
02:43:47,535 --> 02:43:51,165
claudia fowler is not present. Joe

2145
02:43:51,545 --> 02:43:51,545
tve,

2146
02:44:09,085 --> 02:44:12,635
mayor council joe tve, district three council members.

2147
02:44:13,275 --> 02:44:17,235
I am a long lifelong dallas resident and former disc history teacher.

2148
02:44:18,035 --> 02:44:21,795
I value and appreciate historic buildings. As a former city council

2149
02:44:22,345 --> 02:44:26,195
candidate, I also understand our responsibility to taxpayers

2150
02:44:26,515 --> 02:44:30,475
and the importance of sound fiscal stewardship. Spending hundreds of

2151
02:44:30,595 --> 02:44:34,425
millions of dollars to repair a city hall at any cost is not good.

2152
02:44:35,075 --> 02:44:38,995
governor cu essential, uh, city services to preserve an outdated

2153
02:44:39,435 --> 02:44:43,315
building will not solve the underlying problem. Dallas needs the city hall that meets

2154
02:44:43,735 --> 02:44:47,595
the needs of mor of a modern city, not a facility designed for a different

2155
02:44:47,875 --> 02:44:51,875
area. Relocate city hall, unlock redevelopment opportunities and put valuable down,

2156
02:44:52,535 --> 02:44:56,275
uh, downtown property back on the tax roads. Use that redevelopment to

2157
02:44:56,595 --> 02:45:00,195
generate new, uh, revenue. Strengthen downtown, create economic growth.

2158
02:45:00,865 --> 02:45:04,715
most importantly, invest those resources and neighborhoods that need them most particularly

2159
02:45:05,715 --> 02:45:09,555
southern dallas or those, uh, areas south of the mason. D that's your time. That's your

2160
02:45:09,725 --> 02:45:12,155
thank you. Thank you. Yolanda williams.

2161
02:45:18,635 --> 02:45:19,285
yolanda williams.

2162
02:45:24,555 --> 02:45:28,405
okay. Sorry. I've been waiting all day for this, but hello everyone. I gotta

2163
02:45:28,565 --> 02:45:32,545
make this quick and short. It's insulting for the, the three or

2164
02:45:32,765 --> 02:45:36,725
the four, the five to try to say there's not enough data. You know, that was the

2165
02:45:36,885 --> 02:45:40,805
second consultant. The numbers were there, first number was low, then they

2166
02:45:41,005 --> 02:45:44,945
were high. So now that you're not receiving the information that you want, you

2167
02:45:45,185 --> 02:45:48,685
use taxpayer dollars to, uh, file a lawsuit.

2168
02:45:49,585 --> 02:45:53,585
oh, hold on one second. I don't know what happened. I'm sorry. You used

2169
02:45:54,185 --> 02:45:57,745
taxpayer dollars to file a lawsuit. Please. I'm asking you, council member

2170
02:45:58,265 --> 02:46:02,145
rescind this. I'm sorry. District five, please vote against item number three.

2171
02:46:02,815 --> 02:46:06,645
just like they filed a lawsuit today. We are gonna file a lawsuit to

2172
02:46:06,865 --> 02:46:10,675
get this vote done. We're not gonna keep waiting. Y'all are gonna be in recess in july.

2173
02:46:11,155 --> 02:46:14,965
then you're gonna try to wait till august. So we're asking you all to please

2174
02:46:15,435 --> 02:46:19,385
vote against item three. It is just a waste of time. And to

2175
02:46:19,605 --> 02:46:23,425
keep insulting the consultants with all the expertise. Now,

2176
02:46:23,645 --> 02:46:27,205
y'all said y'all don't have enough data. What more do you want? That's your time.

2177
02:46:27,765 --> 02:46:31,485
so much data, so many people speaking out. That's your time. Oh, no. Thank you. Thank you.

2178
02:46:32,475 --> 02:46:35,615
charles williams. Ii charles williams

2179
02:46:36,805 --> 02:46:39,105
ii. It's not present. David voss.

2180
02:46:45,115 --> 02:46:48,985
my name is david voss. I live at 6 5 4 6 oral drive, dallas, texas

2181
02:46:49,525 --> 02:46:53,135
council district number two. I'm here in support of the most financially

2182
02:46:53,805 --> 02:46:57,735
responsible and environmentally viable option for this dallas city hall

2183
02:46:58,275 --> 02:47:02,255
at save it and fix it. However, approving agenda item number three is

2184
02:47:02,515 --> 02:47:06,015
not a good answer. The plan you're voting on today is not a

2185
02:47:06,555 --> 02:47:10,325
repair plan. It's a construction project that's too extensive

2186
02:47:11,235 --> 02:47:15,175
and too expensive. The new proposed city hall

2187
02:47:15,475 --> 02:47:18,945
repair program, the contingency allowances alone

2188
02:47:19,795 --> 02:47:23,735
are $91 million. That's a

2189
02:47:23,855 --> 02:47:27,725
project that doesn't know what it's doing. The proposed numbers are not realistic.

2190
02:47:28,525 --> 02:47:32,455
however, the vote today is to vote yes and then

2191
02:47:32,725 --> 02:47:36,675
deliver a better plan. This building's not broken. The

2192
02:47:36,895 --> 02:47:40,405
way it's being used and managed is broken and the way it's being presented

2193
02:47:41,275 --> 02:47:45,095
is very broken. Save city hall. Thank you.

2194
02:47:45,685 --> 02:47:46,255
mary lou paris.

2195
02:47:50,455 --> 02:47:53,455
mary lou paris is not present. Sean todd.

2196
02:47:56,315 --> 02:48:00,205
sean todd is not online, not in the audience. Not present. Kevin pfeiffer.

2197
02:48:13,065 --> 02:48:16,995
thank you, mayor. Starting with something inspirational. Change

2198
02:48:17,415 --> 02:48:21,355
will not come if you wait for some other person or some other time. We are

2199
02:48:21,575 --> 02:48:25,435
the ones that have been, we have been waiting for. We are the change we seek. Nobody

2200
02:48:25,955 --> 02:48:29,655
is going to give you anything that you have not earned. I'm skipping weight forward.

2201
02:48:30,355 --> 02:48:33,895
my understanding. There's roughly four $52 million of arfa funds available

2202
02:48:34,755 --> 02:48:38,535
to repair city hall. Appendix beam funds are still

2203
02:48:38,775 --> 02:48:42,165
available. These are unencumbered funds until the end of this fiscal year.

2204
02:48:43,035 --> 02:48:46,775
no more deferred spending spent, uh, sent to individual

2205
02:48:47,615 --> 02:48:51,615
district. No more delayed project allowances. Everyone on this council

2206
02:48:52,115 --> 02:48:56,075
was at one point inspired to do their civic duty and you in

2207
02:48:56,295 --> 02:49:00,295
turn inspired fellow citizens to go to the voting booth and vote you into office.

2208
02:49:01,105 --> 02:49:04,975
those are your constituents. They own this building

2209
02:49:05,315 --> 02:49:09,075
and the surrounding property. Do the right thing. Vote to save city hall.

2210
02:49:09,675 --> 02:49:13,095
vote yes on item three. Thank you erica

2211
02:49:13,715 --> 02:49:13,715
cole.

2212
02:49:24,205 --> 02:49:28,025
my name's erica cole. I, um, am really

2213
02:49:28,265 --> 02:49:32,225
surprised at what you're doing. I came with my mother when I was a

2214
02:49:32,345 --> 02:49:36,225
little girl to city hall. I've been doing every year. I've been coming to city

2215
02:49:36,465 --> 02:49:40,185
hall. I've never had one minute to speak. And I think that

2216
02:49:41,345 --> 02:49:45,305
I was told to get here at nine o'clock this morning. I've been here for like eight

2217
02:49:45,545 --> 02:49:49,325
or nine hours. And I don't think it's fair to us to

2218
02:49:49,555 --> 02:49:53,525
speak up. You work for us and I, you know, you

2219
02:49:53,745 --> 02:49:57,145
don't, you don't. You won't tell us where we're moving, how we're moving.

2220
02:49:58,005 --> 02:50:01,705
you won't tell us. You don't tell us what we need to know

2221
02:50:03,125 --> 02:50:07,065
and how much it's gonna cost. It may be more

2222
02:50:07,495 --> 02:50:11,425
expensive to do so we don't even know anything. We don't

2223
02:50:11,625 --> 02:50:15,465
know what's gonna happen to nine 11. What, why can't you tell

2224
02:50:15,745 --> 02:50:19,685
us what you know and how you know it and

2225
02:50:19,995 --> 02:50:23,765
treat us like with respect? One minute is not

2226
02:50:24,005 --> 02:50:27,735
enough for anybody that, that's your time. And after waiting for nine

2227
02:50:28,025 --> 02:50:31,845
hours, that's your time. I think we're pretty unhappy. Thank

2228
02:50:32,195 --> 02:50:35,315
you. I will now call the next group of speakers.

2229
02:50:36,385 --> 02:50:39,225
when I call your name, please come forward and have a seat on the first three rows

2230
02:50:40,415 --> 02:50:44,315
of this intersection and virtual speakers. Please have your audio

2231
02:50:44,655 --> 02:50:48,505
and video ready. James depetris. Christopher

2232
02:50:49,405 --> 02:50:53,055
kates, jlo cummings,

2233
02:50:54,585 --> 02:50:58,085
rosie kurtz, catherine thomas, adam

2234
02:50:58,595 --> 02:51:01,995
gaddis has canceled. Mary cook, michael mo,

2235
02:51:03,035 --> 02:51:06,895
ann harrington, james hill, sylvia

2236
02:51:07,305 --> 02:51:10,285
lagos, mckayla kins, anthony jones,

2237
02:51:12,555 --> 02:51:16,275
diana hayes, aubrey morris, andre

2238
02:51:17,085 --> 02:51:19,905
tr way, caraway. Diane birdwell.

2239
02:51:21,105 --> 02:51:23,505
jeanette bridges, isaiah alvarez,

2240
02:51:25,825 --> 02:51:28,785
meredith jones, donna denson, brett ship,

2241
02:51:29,835 --> 02:51:31,955
patty walker and naomi green.

2242
02:51:33,955 --> 02:51:34,625
james depetris.

2243
02:51:42,715 --> 02:51:46,495
hi, my name is jim dris. I've been in native of dallas all my life.

2244
02:51:47,575 --> 02:51:51,515
I lived downtown. I worked downtown. My kids went to school downtown. Um,

2245
02:51:51,775 --> 02:51:55,755
I chaired dallas city center association in 1990s. Um, the

2246
02:51:56,095 --> 02:51:58,855
jewel hotel building sold for $500,000 that year,

2247
02:52:00,195 --> 02:52:03,865
and that's how bad it was. There was no retail open after five o'clock. After

2248
02:52:04,275 --> 02:52:08,245
six o'clock. Um, we've come a very, very long way. We've

2249
02:52:08,525 --> 02:52:12,425
all worked very hard. I've helped raise over a hundred million dollars in tax

2250
02:52:12,675 --> 02:52:16,445
credits and tiff grants treaty buildings, including the magnolia,

2251
02:52:17,785 --> 02:52:21,365
the jewel, not the jewel, the statler ltv tower and the

2252
02:52:21,925 --> 02:52:25,485
national. Um, three of these went bankrupt in the process.

2253
02:52:26,195 --> 02:52:29,205
cost way more money, cost a lot more money

2254
02:52:30,385 --> 02:52:34,165
to redo old buildings than it does to build a new one. Um, these numbers

2255
02:52:34,465 --> 02:52:38,405
are, are lots of numbers are here, but they're probably gonna be less than they will really

2256
02:52:38,595 --> 02:52:42,465
cost. City hall could get into the bank america tower for four. That's

2257
02:52:42,885 --> 02:52:46,545
your time. A building, like $400 million. Anyway, steve bartlett and that's

2258
02:52:46,965 --> 02:52:50,935
your time. Lee jackson are both in support of this as well. One is all both. Mayor, thank

2259
02:52:51,285 --> 02:52:53,295
you. Thank you. Christopher cates.

2260
02:52:55,715 --> 02:52:59,325
christopher kates is not present. Jlo calmings.

2261
02:53:03,495 --> 02:53:07,285
jlo calmings is not present. Rosie

2262
02:53:07,965 --> 02:53:11,735
kurtz. Rosie kurtz is

2263
02:53:12,095 --> 02:53:13,945
not present. Catherine thomas.

2264
02:53:17,385 --> 02:53:20,555
catherine thomas is not present. Adam gaddis is canceled.

2265
02:53:21,905 --> 02:53:25,425
mary cook. Mary cook

2266
02:53:26,335 --> 02:53:28,335
is not present. Michael mo.

2267
02:53:30,595 --> 02:53:33,945
michael mo is not present. Ann harrington.

2268
02:53:41,345 --> 02:53:45,195
good evening council. My name is anne harrington and I'm proud to call

2269
02:53:45,395 --> 02:53:49,235
dallas home. I'm here today because dallas city hall belongs to the people.

2270
02:53:50,015 --> 02:53:53,915
it is where important decisions are made about our neighborhoods, our families, and our future.

2271
02:53:55,015 --> 02:53:58,915
before any plans are made to move, sell, or replace city hall, the people

2272
02:53:59,095 --> 02:54:02,915
of dallas deserve to know exactly what is happening and how it,

2273
02:54:03,255 --> 02:54:07,115
how it will affect our city and our tax and

2274
02:54:07,335 --> 02:54:11,175
our taxes. Our youth city, city hall is more

2275
02:54:11,375 --> 02:54:15,335
than just a building. It is, it is a part of dallas history. For many years,

2276
02:54:15,725 --> 02:54:19,425
it's, it has been a place where people come to have their voices heard.

2277
02:54:21,375 --> 02:54:25,055
I believe our city leaders should listen to the community before making big decisions.

2278
02:54:26,275 --> 02:54:29,735
we need to protect what belongs to the people because it's free.

2279
02:54:30,585 --> 02:54:34,535
today I ask our leaders to slow down, listen to the residents, and do

2280
02:54:34,695 --> 02:54:38,055
what's best for dallas. Let's say city hall. Let's protect

2281
02:54:38,715 --> 02:54:42,705
our history and let's keep the people's voice at the center of every decision. Thank

2282
02:54:43,055 --> 02:54:44,985
you. Thank you. James hill.

2283
02:54:51,235 --> 02:54:54,175
james hill. It's not online, not present.

2284
02:54:57,045 --> 02:55:00,605
sylvia lagos. Sylvia lagos is not online

2285
02:55:01,625 --> 02:55:02,925
and not in the audience not present.

2286
02:55:05,675 --> 02:55:09,575
mckayla kins. Mckayla

2287
02:55:10,125 --> 02:55:12,215
wakens is not present. Anthony jones.

2288
02:55:14,815 --> 02:55:16,635
anthony jones is not present. Diana hayes.

2289
02:55:20,685 --> 02:55:23,155
diana hayes is not present. Aubrey morris.

2290
02:55:25,935 --> 02:55:29,445
aubrey morris is not present. Andre

2291
02:55:30,295 --> 02:55:33,995
ue caraway. Andre trwe

2292
02:55:34,555 --> 02:55:37,505
caraway is not present. Diane birdwell. Yep.

2293
02:55:43,405 --> 02:55:45,265
is what? Sorry. You all, you walk when you're 65.

2294
02:55:52,205 --> 02:55:55,915
before I forget, I'm diane birdwell. I vote for item three. It's the best we've

2295
02:55:56,265 --> 02:56:00,145
got. Whenever somebody's rushing me, I know they're crooked and we know the

2296
02:56:00,305 --> 02:56:04,145
vote's already in. But, uh, for south dallas, for the astroturf green

2297
02:56:04,485 --> 02:56:08,065
shirts, um, let me tell you something. Cotton bowl never, uh, despite

2298
02:56:08,545 --> 02:56:12,515
the being developed, never helped. South dallas reunion arena was built and torn down, never helped. South

2299
02:56:12,865 --> 02:56:16,845
dallas. American airlines arena was built, never helped south dallas. Now they're going abandon it.

2300
02:56:17,805 --> 02:56:21,465
uh, deep elm comes and goes. Elm street theater district of my childhood

2301
02:56:21,845 --> 02:56:25,415
is not being used the way it should be. West end came and went.

2302
02:56:26,205 --> 02:56:29,915
if the omni hotel hasn't spurred much more development, the astro

2303
02:56:30,385 --> 02:56:34,265
tife, uh, turf green shirts are too young to know that whoever paid for

2304
02:56:34,465 --> 02:56:38,325
their shirts doesn't care anything about south dallas. Let's stop with that. Lie

2305
02:56:38,545 --> 02:56:42,425
right now. And they would invest in south dallas. They would live

2306
02:56:42,725 --> 02:56:46,455
in south dallas. They would work in south dallas. It's

2307
02:56:46,745 --> 02:56:50,495
a lie. But y'all have been bought off and we know it. And maybe I'll

2308
02:56:50,785 --> 02:56:54,425
just run for city council and we'll have some fun. That's your time. Thank you

2309
02:56:55,275 --> 02:56:55,275
janet bridges.

2310
02:57:01,575 --> 02:57:05,545
okay, y'all, this is about physical

2311
02:57:05,805 --> 02:57:09,665
responsibility of each and every one of you. You are responsible

2312
02:57:10,345 --> 02:57:13,965
to the taxpayers for making sure that, um,

2313
02:57:14,495 --> 02:57:18,385
it's, you're making the right decision with taxpayer dollars. I just wanna put that

2314
02:57:18,565 --> 02:57:21,525
out there. That is your job. Um,

2315
02:57:22,925 --> 02:57:26,555
so the public needs to have an apples to apples comparison

2316
02:57:28,215 --> 02:57:31,305
between every alternative that's being considered.

2317
02:57:32,605 --> 02:57:36,375
um, so here's some questions and I'm going to submit these, um, also,

2318
02:57:37,165 --> 02:57:41,115
um, for a public information request. But here's some questions for you. Sorry.

2319
02:57:42,645 --> 02:57:46,545
um, what is the, what is the projected

2320
02:57:46,945 --> 02:57:50,825
30 year cost of renovation? What is the projected

2321
02:57:51,265 --> 02:57:54,745
30 year cost of leaving? What is the projected

2322
02:57:55,345 --> 02:57:59,145
30 year cost of budgeting? I mean, of buying another

2323
02:57:59,745 --> 02:58:03,385
building? What is the projected 30 year cost of cons? That's

2324
02:58:03,805 --> 02:58:07,635
your time of, uh, of, um, that's your time. Okay.

2325
02:58:08,325 --> 02:58:12,215
constructing a new city hall, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. The public needs

2326
02:58:12,565 --> 02:58:16,245
answers thank you. Period. Thank you. As they

2327
02:58:16,765 --> 02:58:16,765
alvarez.

2328
02:58:30,245 --> 02:58:33,705
good afternoon, mayor and council. I'm one of the younger people in this room today,

2329
02:58:34,275 --> 02:58:38,175
and that concerns me because many of the people who will live with this decision for the next 30

2330
02:58:38,375 --> 02:58:42,335
or 40 years aren't here. Over the last few weeks we've heard detailed

2331
02:58:42,415 --> 02:58:46,335
presentations about the cost of repairing city hall. We've seen estimates ranging

2332
02:58:46,865 --> 02:58:50,795
today. We just saw it from roughly 532 million to over 600 million

2333
02:58:51,475 --> 02:58:55,135
in repairs and more than 1.5 billion in long-term occupancy costs.

2334
02:58:55,755 --> 02:58:59,735
but when it comes to relocation, we're still talking about possibilities. It's not

2335
02:58:59,895 --> 02:59:03,855
as detailed. It's about potential savings, potential redevelopment, potential

2336
02:59:04,615 --> 02:59:08,575
economic growth. So my question is simple. If this is truly a

2337
02:59:08,695 --> 02:59:12,575
generational decision, why are we comparing a detailed repair plan against

2338
02:59:13,015 --> 02:59:17,005
a concept? What is the land acquisition cost? What properties would be affected? What

2339
02:59:17,295 --> 02:59:21,035
is a 30 year cost? And a lot of private developers are trying to rush this process. But

2340
02:59:21,475 --> 02:59:25,395
you know, when we consider an investment of this size, we need those answers before

2341
02:59:25,815 --> 02:59:29,625
we move forward on this plan. So what is the rush task that your time serve?

2342
02:59:29,995 --> 02:59:33,135
the same. Thank you. Thank you. Meredith jones.

2343
02:59:44,995 --> 02:59:48,865
hello, my name is meredith jones and I'm in support of pursuing a repair plan

2344
02:59:49,165 --> 02:59:51,915
for the iconic im pay design, building and plaza.

2345
02:59:53,185 --> 02:59:56,265
leasing a city hall forever does not make financial sense for future generations.

2346
02:59:57,335 --> 03:00:01,305
renting from a landlord opens both our budget and governance up to outside

2347
03:00:01,705 --> 03:00:05,585
manipulation. We have not proven we can manage assets. So why should

2348
03:00:05,825 --> 03:00:09,745
we buy a new building? The root issue is that we have not taken care of our assets.

2349
03:00:10,565 --> 03:00:14,465
we need to fix that pattern, or we will be stuck in a cycle of these conversations forever

2350
03:00:15,205 --> 03:00:19,065
and we'll never truly move on. To be a city of the future, while individual

2351
03:00:19,465 --> 03:00:23,255
numbers presented may be accurate, the story does not seem complete with

2352
03:00:23,545 --> 03:00:27,465
an incomplete story. I wonder who is it serving? Why has the

2353
03:00:27,625 --> 03:00:31,505
cost of demolition not been presented? Why hasn't the environmental impacts of tearing

2354
03:00:31,865 --> 03:00:35,825
down been explored? What about the impacts of losing the plaza, which is a downtown

2355
03:00:36,025 --> 03:00:39,985
park? Each public meeting has proven that more residents want to save

2356
03:00:40,215 --> 03:00:44,025
city hall, serve the people and save our house. Thank you.

2357
03:00:45,315 --> 03:00:45,905
donna denson.

2358
03:00:53,335 --> 03:00:56,965
good afternoon, mayor and city council members, I ask you to vote yes

2359
03:00:57,485 --> 03:01:01,285
on agenda item three. I urge you to reconsider any decision

2360
03:01:02,065 --> 03:01:05,095
to abandon city hall before a full and transparent evaluation

2361
03:01:06,225 --> 03:01:09,795
of the cost between repairing, not gutting, but repairing

2362
03:01:10,405 --> 03:01:14,325
it and moving is known. It's the taxpayers

2363
03:01:14,765 --> 03:01:17,355
need to know their most. The most financial

2364
03:01:19,025 --> 03:01:22,885
opt option, long term financial impact on taxpayers

2365
03:01:23,545 --> 03:01:27,405
is still unknown. It's difficult to justify abandoning a structurally sound public

2366
03:01:27,935 --> 03:01:31,875
asset when the full costs have not been made clear to the public each

2367
03:01:32,165 --> 03:01:35,565
week. Equally concerning is the speed in which this process has moved forward.

2368
03:01:36,565 --> 03:01:40,325
a building that belongs to the people of dallas should not be abandoned without giving

2369
03:01:41,925 --> 03:01:45,525
complete accounting of the cost between staying and moving. I respectfully

2370
03:01:46,265 --> 03:01:50,085
ask the council to slow this process, process fully disclose all costs

2371
03:01:50,385 --> 03:01:54,045
and alternatives and engage the public. That's your time. Thank you.

2372
03:01:54,735 --> 03:01:56,525
thank you. Brett ship.

2373
03:01:59,275 --> 03:02:01,985
brett ship is not present. Patty walker.

2374
03:02:05,125 --> 03:02:08,955
patty walker is not virtual. Not in the audience not present.

2375
03:02:10,565 --> 03:02:14,545
naomi green. Naomi green

2376
03:02:15,035 --> 03:02:18,845
is not present. I will now call the next group

2377
03:02:19,045 --> 03:02:22,955
of speakers. When I call your name, please come forward and have a seat on the first three rows

2378
03:02:23,245 --> 03:02:27,085
in the intersection. And I ask that virtual speakers

2379
03:02:27,645 --> 03:02:29,675
have their audio and video ready. Catherine garrison,

2380
03:02:32,355 --> 03:02:36,085
sanford, denison, gail grace,

2381
03:02:36,795 --> 03:02:40,415
alex scott, ronald parrish, sean peace,

2382
03:02:42,045 --> 03:02:45,855
harrison. Blair, christopher weiss, margot posey, peter young,

2383
03:02:47,335 --> 03:02:51,225
tommy hamilton, peter may, anthony jones, jr.

2384
03:02:52,185 --> 03:02:55,435
and harold holland. Catherine garrison.

2385
03:02:57,225 --> 03:02:59,275
yes. Careful.

2386
03:03:05,235 --> 03:03:08,525
I've had a love affair with this city for as long as I can remember.

2387
03:03:09,995 --> 03:03:13,925
save dallas city hall. I attended a town hall meeting last night

2388
03:03:14,165 --> 03:03:17,925
in my district. My councilperson said that we don't have all of the numbers

2389
03:03:18,355 --> 03:03:22,265
regarding the cost to repair the land value, the cost to

2390
03:03:22,485 --> 03:03:25,805
build a new building or retrofit an existing building,

2391
03:03:26,495 --> 03:03:30,465
demolition costs, moving costs, scope of time involved and where and

2392
03:03:30,685 --> 03:03:33,685
how the debris would go. This worries me greatly

2393
03:03:34,905 --> 03:03:38,765
if my counsel person doesn't know. I assume that no one

2394
03:03:38,925 --> 03:03:40,605
sitting at this horseshoe knows either.

2395
03:03:43,555 --> 03:03:47,515
how do your cons do your constituents? How

2396
03:03:47,735 --> 03:03:51,095
are they able to disseminate the information on such short notice

2397
03:03:51,875 --> 03:03:55,175
and without time to review and let you the horse, you know, their thoughts

2398
03:03:55,965 --> 03:03:59,325
without hard numbers? This seemed rushed. Transparency

2399
03:04:00,315 --> 03:04:04,125
matters and we aren't seeing it today. The city

2400
03:04:04,565 --> 03:04:08,225
cfo stated that the cost of a tax increase would be, that's your time. $212

2401
03:04:09,605 --> 03:04:12,845
annually. That's 58 cents. That's your time a day.

2402
03:04:13,615 --> 03:04:17,615
thank you. San sanford, denison. It's

2403
03:04:17,905 --> 03:04:21,185
not online, not in the audience not present.

2404
03:04:22,615 --> 03:04:26,505
gail grace? Yes. Hello. I'm here. Can you hear me?

2405
03:04:26,945 --> 03:04:30,865
y yes, you may continue. Alright, thank you. And, um, good afternoon

2406
03:04:31,205 --> 03:04:35,105
and thank you for allowing me to speak, uh, today. I'm gail

2407
03:04:35,385 --> 03:04:39,265
grace and I'm a resident of district one. I'm here today because I'm against the efforts

2408
03:04:39,565 --> 03:04:43,175
to abandon our historic and architecturally significant city hall.

2409
03:04:43,985 --> 03:04:47,885
I understand that you've inherited this quagmire, but here we are, the

2410
03:04:48,105 --> 03:04:52,065
result of years of purposeful neglect at the building. This building

2411
03:04:52,205 --> 03:04:56,105
and the campus on which it stands is tied directly to the history of dallas

2412
03:04:56,755 --> 03:05:00,705
since late 1960s. Dallas city hall on the campus in which

2413
03:05:00,865 --> 03:05:04,535
it sits isn't keeping businesses from thriving. That

2414
03:05:05,145 --> 03:05:09,105
property isn't keeping the shady elements in the neighborhood. It isn't

2415
03:05:09,425 --> 03:05:13,385
keeping properties vacant in its area. A lack of

2416
03:05:13,785 --> 03:05:17,625
planning and follow through that has played dallas since I moved here over 30

2417
03:05:17,905 --> 03:05:21,885
years ago. Uh, is the

2418
03:05:22,085 --> 03:05:25,085
problem. What other properties are next? Daley plaza,

2419
03:05:26,155 --> 03:05:30,105
pioneer park cemetery. Alex scott. I'm talking. Pardon?

2420
03:05:31,105 --> 03:05:34,975
I'm sorry. Your time is up. Oh, okay. Thank

2421
03:05:35,325 --> 03:05:39,185
you. Thank you alex. Scott. Hey,

2422
03:05:39,405 --> 03:05:43,125
y'all. 64 72 trimble drive. Alex, scott, I'm your neighbor in

2423
03:05:43,445 --> 03:05:47,285
district nine. So I'm gonna come here with some solutions. We've talked about how we can't afford things,

2424
03:05:47,565 --> 03:05:51,565
right? So I worked for gartner for eight years, the world's leading research and

2425
03:05:51,845 --> 03:05:55,725
advisory organization that helps c-suite executives achieve their mission critical priorities. And we have

2426
03:05:56,165 --> 03:05:58,965
strategic contracting. Y'all have accounts with gartner.

2427
03:06:00,225 --> 03:06:04,165
you can do strategic contracting with gartner. Every single software contract that you have

2428
03:06:04,365 --> 03:06:08,325
here, you should be running that through gartner's strategic contracting. You can save

2429
03:06:08,925 --> 03:06:12,485
multiple millions of dollars. Do you know why? I know because I've done that with my clients.

2430
03:06:13,205 --> 03:06:17,115
I saved a 50 million human services organization, $5 million

2431
03:06:18,065 --> 03:06:21,965
on their workday contract. You don't think that we have bloated budgets

2432
03:06:22,325 --> 03:06:26,125
here? We are getting screwed out the ass. And it's

2433
03:06:26,365 --> 03:06:30,245
about time that our city manager steps up and actually does some strategic contracting because

2434
03:06:30,895 --> 03:06:34,585
pepsi now has control of, uh, of

2435
03:06:35,235 --> 03:06:39,085
fair park and more specifically the cotton bowl. And we did not

2436
03:06:39,405 --> 03:06:42,995
renegotiate that contract. I came up here last year and talked to y all about that s**t.

2437
03:06:43,625 --> 03:06:47,045
I'm sick and tired of this. Nope. That language is unacceptable

2438
03:06:47,725 --> 03:06:51,695
to use in the city council chamber. Okay? Yeah. Thank you. Thank

2439
03:06:52,045 --> 03:06:55,605
you. Roland parish, well in parish

2440
03:06:56,265 --> 03:06:57,495
is not present. Sean, peace.

2441
03:07:03,245 --> 03:07:07,185
I stand before you today, not just as the president of the dallas police association, but

2442
03:07:07,405 --> 03:07:10,965
someone who has spent my life living in the city and serving this city.

2443
03:07:11,675 --> 03:07:14,845
over the last few weeks, dallas has been forced to make some uncomfortable

2444
03:07:15,995 --> 03:07:19,945
conversations. Every headline has sparked the same question. How

2445
03:07:20,165 --> 03:07:24,165
did we lose our grip? For too long, dallas has been

2446
03:07:24,435 --> 03:07:28,245
slow to act. We have allowed studies to replace decisions.

2447
03:07:28,905 --> 03:07:32,785
we have allowed debate to replace execution. We

2448
03:07:33,005 --> 03:07:37,005
have made promises that have taken years to fulfill, if fulfilled at

2449
03:07:37,205 --> 03:07:40,715
all. I signed up to speak on item one because

2450
03:07:41,465 --> 03:07:45,385
you have the opportunity to support and build out

2451
03:07:45,745 --> 03:07:49,385
the complete project of the dallas police academy on the unt campus

2452
03:07:51,105 --> 03:07:55,085
and include the public safety training complex. We are

2453
03:07:55,165 --> 03:07:59,085
the ninth largest city in america, one of the most recognized

2454
03:07:59,325 --> 03:08:03,205
cities in the world. Host city for the fifa world cup. But we're

2455
03:08:03,645 --> 03:08:06,525
training our people. That's your time in a 30 5-year-old facility

2456
03:08:07,815 --> 03:08:11,565
build these academies. Thank you. Thank you.

2457
03:08:12,765 --> 03:08:13,205
harrison. Blair?

2458
03:08:17,705 --> 03:08:21,315
okay. Can y'all see me? Can y'all hear me? Yes, we can see you and hear you. You may

2459
03:08:21,715 --> 03:08:25,555
continue. Okay. Thank you. I'm harrison blair. I wanna just

2460
03:08:25,735 --> 03:08:29,185
say, uh, first and foremost, uh, please vote against this item.

2461
03:08:30,015 --> 03:08:33,835
please don't spend our hard earned tax dollars on this particular project.

2462
03:08:34,725 --> 03:08:38,275
there are hundreds and hundreds of things that the budget actually needs for the city of dallas.

2463
03:08:38,775 --> 03:08:42,685
and I can guarantee you that young families like mine who are, uh, raising their

2464
03:08:43,035 --> 03:08:45,995
family in dallas, don't want to be stuck with a 600 thou, uh, $600 million,

2465
03:08:47,775 --> 03:08:51,395
uh, or plus bill to fix one asset. And there's so many infrastructure

2466
03:08:52,035 --> 03:08:55,955
projects in the southern sector, um, including the one that the gentleman before me just talked

2467
03:08:56,155 --> 03:08:59,915
about with the police, uh, in the training facility. There's so much we can do.

2468
03:09:00,365 --> 03:09:04,275
let's not waste that money. And in fact, I've already got my hard hat, uh, hardhat here.

2469
03:09:04,595 --> 03:09:08,595
I don't know if you can see what it says, but it says save downtown. Thank you.

2470
03:09:09,365 --> 03:09:10,795
thank you. Christopher weiss.

2471
03:09:20,015 --> 03:09:23,865
good afternoon, mayor, city manager and council members. I'm christopher weiss, 1419

2472
03:09:24,265 --> 03:09:28,145
griffin street southeast district two resident and business owner in the

2473
03:09:28,305 --> 03:09:31,865
cbd. We are at the point in this discussion where because of a forced

2474
03:09:32,425 --> 03:09:36,065
timeline and widely divergent economic data, people have lost trust in the process.

2475
03:09:36,895 --> 03:09:40,785
this can be fixed. Defer the vote on three and complete

2476
03:09:40,905 --> 03:09:44,665
the evaluation of all options. Schedule and hold a public bond referendum

2477
03:09:45,305 --> 03:09:49,305
on the vote. Put this to the people over the year. Dallas has had several

2478
03:09:49,545 --> 03:09:53,205
bond referendums, including approval of this building, american airline center and convention

2479
03:09:53,565 --> 03:09:57,535
center and others. I wanna ask the people in the crowd here who here is not

2480
03:09:57,755 --> 03:10:01,715
for economic revitalization in the city. Anyone raising their hand? They're not for economic revitalization.

2481
03:10:02,815 --> 03:10:06,795
who here doesn't want the mavericks or the stars to stay? I think

2482
03:10:06,875 --> 03:10:10,695
we're all on the same side. It doesn't matter if you're wearing green or blue. We

2483
03:10:10,915 --> 03:10:14,905
want to see revitalization. Don't do this at city council. Do it as a referent and vote. Move

2484
03:10:15,195 --> 03:10:18,725
it forward. Thank you. Thank you. Margo

2485
03:10:19,275 --> 03:10:23,155
posey. Margo posey is not

2486
03:10:23,375 --> 03:10:24,025
present. Peter young.

2487
03:10:30,015 --> 03:10:33,995
um, hi. I come here to speak in support of repairing and maintaining

2488
03:10:34,235 --> 03:10:38,235
city hall. Uh, I'm a resident of highland park. I have spent so much of my time over the last six months

2489
03:10:38,715 --> 03:10:42,555
knocking on doors and lock walking to keep, to talk to my neighbors in favor

2490
03:10:42,795 --> 03:10:46,275
of keeping dart in my neighborhood. I, I mentioned this because I believe that dallas

2491
03:10:47,965 --> 03:10:51,635
is something that is important. I think that our region needs

2492
03:10:52,005 --> 03:10:55,465
to come together and work to make the metro better, uh, and make it work for everybody.

2493
03:10:56,425 --> 03:11:00,045
I I find it really impressive the solidarity that all the money to interest in the metro have, uh,

2494
03:11:00,735 --> 03:11:04,665
have shown coalescing to call for more handouts from the public coffers. Business

2495
03:11:04,745 --> 03:11:08,345
owners are not privileged class. You represent the dallas citizens. Stop listening

2496
03:11:08,785 --> 03:11:12,705
to the oligarchs and developers. They've created the current condition and are trying to sell

2497
03:11:12,905 --> 03:11:16,585
you the cure by knocking down a monument to our city. Stop listening.

2498
03:11:17,085 --> 03:11:20,905
uh, I know many of you are turned out next year, and usually politicians care about legacy.

2499
03:11:21,485 --> 03:11:25,185
you represent your vote, uh, voters, not business charters. Vote like it.

2500
03:11:26,315 --> 03:11:28,705
thank you. Tommy hamilton.

2501
03:11:31,305 --> 03:11:34,945
tommy hamilton is not present. Peter may,

2502
03:11:38,025 --> 03:11:41,135
peter may is not present. Anthony jones,

2503
03:11:42,245 --> 03:11:45,715
jr. Anthony jones, jr. Is not present.

2504
03:11:47,175 --> 03:11:50,695
harold holland. Harold holland is not online,

2505
03:11:51,715 --> 03:11:55,635
not in the audience, not present. I will now call the

2506
03:11:56,105 --> 03:11:58,855
final group of speakers. When I call your name, please come forward

2507
03:12:00,595 --> 03:12:04,485
and have a seat on the first three rows of this intersection and virtual

2508
03:12:05,015 --> 03:12:07,385
speakers. Please have your video and audio ready.

2509
03:12:09,545 --> 03:12:12,435
harold, laura epso.

2510
03:12:15,075 --> 03:12:18,435
cynthia michaels, edward stone. Michael

2511
03:12:19,225 --> 03:12:22,225
anette. Andrew

2512
03:12:23,565 --> 03:12:26,765
cia. Bot toru. My apologies.

2513
03:12:29,915 --> 03:12:33,855
sara gupta, sylvester hayes,

2514
03:12:35,015 --> 03:12:38,905
preti gupta, patricia les and

2515
03:12:39,125 --> 03:12:41,385
bruce richardson. Laura eon.

2516
03:12:44,655 --> 03:12:48,045
laura ep epso is not virtual

2517
03:12:48,745 --> 03:12:51,445
and not in the audience. Not present. Cynthia michaels,

2518
03:12:57,625 --> 03:13:01,465
I'm speaking for myself. And here at joe cliff as president, it's to sad

2519
03:13:01,685 --> 03:13:05,605
state of affairs that it took a court order to make city officials follow their own rules.

2520
03:13:06,325 --> 03:13:10,285
I beg you to read and digest david voss report that he mailed to each and

2521
03:13:10,445 --> 03:13:14,445
every one of you. It specifically shows using nfpa. I'm sorry to interrupt you.

2522
03:13:14,605 --> 03:13:18,515
we need to take a, a brief recess so that folks can have

2523
03:13:18,845 --> 03:13:22,485
a break to take care of business. So we'll reconvene in 15 minutes.

2524
03:13:22,895 --> 03:13:23,245
thank you.

2525
03:13:26,945 --> 03:13:30,645
alright. Recess has, uh, ended

2526
03:13:31,095 --> 03:13:34,345
and we're back in, in session our special call

2527
03:13:35,905 --> 03:13:39,645
meeting. And, uh, we were with, we had a speaker. Yes. We're

2528
03:13:39,995 --> 03:13:43,965
gonna start back with cynthia michaels. We'll bring cynthia. We'll

2529
03:13:44,315 --> 03:13:48,115
bring ms. Michaels back up. Ah, there you are

2530
03:13:48,325 --> 03:13:52,315
ma'am. We apologize, but it's just a that's okay. Okay. Part of the

2531
03:13:52,435 --> 03:13:56,435
process. So thank you. But you're welcome to continue. We're ready to start. Yes. You? Yes, you

2532
03:13:56,595 --> 03:14:00,555
may. Yes. Speaking for myself and heritage joe cliff as president. Sad state

2533
03:14:00,795 --> 03:14:04,715
of affairs that it took court order to make city officials follow their own rules. I beg you

2534
03:14:04,835 --> 03:14:08,315
to read and I I'm gonna ask you to stop just one second because I'm gonna ask the people in the gallery

2535
03:14:09,295 --> 03:14:13,145
to sit down and be quiet if they're gonna stay in here or they can step outside and keep

2536
03:14:13,435 --> 03:14:17,435
your conversations going, but outside and come back if you need to. But I wanna make sure we

2537
03:14:17,595 --> 03:14:21,515
can hear you. So go ahead ms. Michaels, you want me to start again or start work? Whit, you can

2538
03:14:21,635 --> 03:14:25,475
start, if you'd like to start over again. You can start over again. We'll, I'll start.

2539
03:14:25,725 --> 03:14:29,595
we'll do your time again. Okay. Thanks. I beg you to read and digest david

2540
03:14:30,225 --> 03:14:34,155
voss report that he mail each and every one of you. It specifically shows using nfpa

2541
03:14:34,755 --> 03:14:38,635
as to when a repair will be, will be required to upgrade to current codes. Not all

2542
03:14:38,835 --> 03:14:42,635
repairs will be required to do that. Therefore, cost projected to

2543
03:14:42,875 --> 03:14:46,695
repair city hall are false because they include bringing everything up

2544
03:14:46,915 --> 03:14:50,835
to the current code, which is not required. This process has been rushed from the get go.

2545
03:14:51,435 --> 03:14:54,895
a quote we've gotta get outta city hall was made several months ago

2546
03:14:55,695 --> 03:14:59,395
and no cost repairs were known at that time and all council members were not aware

2547
03:14:59,705 --> 03:15:03,115
that there was a push to leave city hall after november 22nd, 1963.

2548
03:15:04,755 --> 03:15:08,695
dallas was known as a city where president kennedy was assassinated in,

2549
03:15:09,055 --> 03:15:12,995
in, uh, 2026. Do we really want to be known as the city that moved out and

2550
03:15:13,155 --> 03:15:16,935
tore down an iconic impa historic building in a city that does not own

2551
03:15:17,225 --> 03:15:20,885
city hall. Please vote yes for item three. Thank

2552
03:15:21,235 --> 03:15:22,415
you, edward stone.

2553
03:15:25,945 --> 03:15:29,395
edward stone is not present. Michael

2554
03:15:30,105 --> 03:15:30,105
anette.

2555
03:15:34,965 --> 03:15:38,855
michael anette, 2210 west 10th. I'm also a commercial property owner in bishop arts.

2556
03:15:39,525 --> 03:15:43,305
last night, I, a district one meeting. 95% wanted this building saved

2557
03:15:43,655 --> 03:15:47,635
95% cbre representatives blame this space for

2558
03:15:47,855 --> 03:15:51,595
50 years of area stagnation. Government buildings are not economic engines.

2559
03:15:52,085 --> 03:15:55,965
that's not their function. What's been around about as long as city hall and takes up three

2560
03:15:56,125 --> 03:16:00,085
times. The area is the empty convention center next door. Empty convention centers are urban

2561
03:16:00,355 --> 03:16:04,325
dead zones for downtowns. And that is what has happened here for years. Owners of empty

2562
03:16:04,645 --> 03:16:08,445
office towers want guaranteed rent and triple net in perpetuity. They want

2563
03:16:08,705 --> 03:16:12,515
tax dollars for their aging towers. Cbre mentioned rent to own. It's

2564
03:16:12,805 --> 03:16:16,645
not enough to rent these empty towers. Now. They want us to buy one regardless of how much

2565
03:16:16,845 --> 03:16:20,845
it costs to fix this building. In no world is it a better deal to give up an

2566
03:16:21,045 --> 03:16:24,365
I and pay built to last for hundreds of years for an abandoned 1980s

2567
03:16:25,085 --> 03:16:28,965
mediocre office tower. You will reach and surpass the amount it costs to fix this

2568
03:16:29,285 --> 03:16:33,085
building in no time and have nothing to show for it. Tear down this building and you'll unleash

2569
03:16:33,605 --> 03:16:37,565
a toxicity on this city that will linger for decades. That's your time only financially

2570
03:16:38,005 --> 03:16:41,605
motivated real estate vipers want this to public. Adamantly opposed. Thank you.

2571
03:16:42,015 --> 03:16:45,655
thank you andrew charu.

2572
03:16:52,385 --> 03:16:56,335
good afternoon. I'm here to urge everyone to, uh,

2573
03:16:56,855 --> 03:17:00,435
remind everyone to reconsider. You know, we must remain at city hall

2574
03:17:01,175 --> 03:17:05,115
and repair because it is the right thing to do. But I must remind everyone

2575
03:17:05,385 --> 03:17:09,335
that the, the numbers released recently of 500 to 600 million to

2576
03:17:09,555 --> 03:17:12,845
repair are artificially inflated in order to wrongfully

2577
03:17:13,745 --> 03:17:16,615
justify, uh, an agenda. Uh,

2578
03:17:17,985 --> 03:17:21,565
and we, we must not make this mistake.

2579
03:17:22,795 --> 03:17:26,735
we must remain at city hall. And, uh, I'm, I'm gonna read a

2580
03:17:26,855 --> 03:17:30,655
quote of why I'm paid the architect. I am unhappy about the fact that our society seems

2581
03:17:30,975 --> 03:17:34,455
to be much more inclined to build something for a short time and then tear them down.

2582
03:17:35,205 --> 03:17:38,975
this mentality of short lifespan does not apply to this unique building.

2583
03:17:39,635 --> 03:17:42,815
it is built here to last. It is not falling apart. There is no rush to vacate.

2584
03:17:43,915 --> 03:17:47,645
and, uh, this is not about political shenanigans. It's

2585
03:17:47,935 --> 03:17:51,855
not about worshiping outdated buildings from a bygone era. That's your time.

2586
03:17:53,185 --> 03:17:55,945
thank you, sir. Rob gupta.

2587
03:17:58,675 --> 03:18:01,845
hi, uh, the city hall move helps economic development

2588
03:18:02,845 --> 03:18:05,805
help south dallas with contagious development.

2589
03:18:07,155 --> 03:18:11,055
and let's face the cold hard facts. The building, the current

2590
03:18:11,455 --> 03:18:15,405
building was built in 1970s, the city financial experts.

2591
03:18:16,805 --> 03:18:20,365
they have presented clear, undeniable data showing that

2592
03:18:21,125 --> 03:18:24,955
this building operation in the next decade, uh, by

2593
03:18:25,175 --> 03:18:28,725
doing the renovation to, uh, keep it operational, will cost between

2594
03:18:29,285 --> 03:18:33,115
532,000,600 and 611 million in

2595
03:18:33,335 --> 03:18:37,095
maintenance and infrastructure overhaul. Think about that. Figure

2596
03:18:37,485 --> 03:18:41,105
that is over half a billion dollars just to patch up leaky roofs

2597
03:18:41,685 --> 03:18:45,615
replace failing hvac system and fix deteriorating concrete.

2598
03:18:45,995 --> 03:18:49,525
it is financially responsible to sink that kind of capital into an obsolete

2599
03:18:50,605 --> 03:18:54,445
building when neighborhoods are crying out for street repairs, park improvement and enhanced public

2600
03:18:54,765 --> 03:18:58,725
safety. Every dollar spent propping of the past is a dollar stolen from the

2601
03:18:58,885 --> 03:19:02,725
future of the community. That's your time. This movie is a historic economic opportunity. Thank you.

2602
03:19:03,135 --> 03:19:05,535
thank you. Sylvester hayes.

2603
03:19:08,725 --> 03:19:11,735
sylvester hayes is not present. Priti gupta.

2604
03:19:18,385 --> 03:19:22,205
ms. Ms. Gupta, your, um, your audio is, we can not hear you.

2605
03:19:23,185 --> 03:19:25,205
please unmute your audio .

2606
03:19:29,185 --> 03:19:29,575
ms. Gupta,

2607
03:19:34,195 --> 03:19:38,125
I'll come back. Yes. I I'm there. I'm sorry. Yes. Thank you.

2608
03:19:38,625 --> 03:19:42,575
you may continue. Yes. Relocating dallas city hall from its current marla

2609
03:19:42,925 --> 03:19:46,825
street location is a forward thinking path. By avoiding the

2610
03:19:47,065 --> 03:19:50,695
costly repairs we can protect the tax players while

2611
03:19:51,075 --> 03:19:54,725
unlocking downtown redevelopment opportunities, the, the debate

2612
03:19:55,305 --> 03:19:59,115
or whether to stay or to go is no longer just

2613
03:19:59,695 --> 03:20:03,085
preserving a 50-year-old building. It is about making smart, sustainable

2614
03:20:03,765 --> 03:20:07,725
financial choices. Today we face a harsh reality. Maintaining the

2615
03:20:07,885 --> 03:20:11,565
current city hall is a mess, massive financial burden. City financial

2616
03:20:12,125 --> 03:20:15,805
experts have our client that simply modernizing the aging infrastructure

2617
03:20:16,625 --> 03:20:20,565
at 1500 ola will cost upwards of half a billion dollar over the

2618
03:20:20,765 --> 03:20:24,645
next decade. This is hundred of millions of taxpayers dollars poured into

2619
03:20:24,885 --> 03:20:28,705
a building that simply no longer meets the need of modern municipal, uh,

2620
03:20:28,925 --> 03:20:32,785
workforce selling or reimagining the prime piece of

2621
03:20:33,035 --> 03:20:36,525
real estate with spark new economic growth right in the heart of the city.

2622
03:20:37,505 --> 03:20:41,365
um, it'll allow us to create modern, efficient, and that's time

2623
03:20:42,015 --> 03:20:45,965
government. That's time or workspace that truly solves the public. That's your time. Moving

2624
03:20:46,125 --> 03:20:50,085
city hall is a bold step. Thank you. But it is exactly the kind of leadership we needed

2625
03:20:50,345 --> 03:20:52,485
in 2026. Thank you.

2626
03:20:54,525 --> 03:20:57,865
patricia bowles. Patricia bowles.

2627
03:20:58,875 --> 03:20:59,775
it's not present. Bruce richardson.

2628
03:21:03,825 --> 03:21:03,825
bruce richardson,

2629
03:21:17,975 --> 03:21:21,435
the great eric johnson. Our most consequential

2630
03:21:22,205 --> 03:21:26,015
mayor would've had the list of

2631
03:21:26,235 --> 03:21:30,055
professionals who put this document together on

2632
03:21:30,405 --> 03:21:34,235
speed dial. I urge you to read it. I urge you to

2633
03:21:34,595 --> 03:21:38,515
consider it no matter what you do today, because we will continue to press

2634
03:21:38,775 --> 03:21:42,595
the case that professionals profoundly disagree

2635
03:21:43,505 --> 03:21:46,945
with the process we have been through. And

2636
03:21:48,105 --> 03:21:51,335
we believe there are rounding error

2637
03:21:52,255 --> 03:21:55,485
level possibilities for funding the rehabilitation of this

2638
03:21:56,445 --> 03:21:59,985
building. I urge you never to invoke

2639
03:22:00,545 --> 03:22:04,055
the name of eric johnson I's great

2640
03:22:04,795 --> 03:22:08,705
founder in any sort of

2641
03:22:08,925 --> 03:22:12,335
relationship to the decision you are calling today.

2642
03:22:13,585 --> 03:22:16,205
we did not elect you to do this. That's your time.

2643
03:22:18,015 --> 03:22:21,525
thank you. We did not. Thank you. There are three speakers

2644
03:22:22,085 --> 03:22:24,845
that I'm gonna go back to. Jim anderson.

2645
03:22:29,635 --> 03:22:33,395
I wanna talk about a, a number that we haven't talked about before. That is

2646
03:22:34,075 --> 03:22:37,955
actually renting land for city hall. The building interior

2647
03:22:38,115 --> 03:22:41,875
is about 770 square feet. We take out all the goodies. Take out the city council chambers,

2648
03:22:42,355 --> 03:22:45,835
the flag room, the lobby, and the great hallway left with 400,000 square feet.

2649
03:22:46,425 --> 03:22:49,545
join 400 square feet in downtown dallas today. According to the fox news,

2650
03:22:50,655 --> 03:22:53,315
you can get boring office space for 19 to $25 million

2651
03:22:54,675 --> 03:22:58,075
a year. That's 195, 200 50 million a year.

2652
03:22:58,775 --> 03:23:02,515
and if you go for 20 years, it's 400 to $500 million a year.

2653
03:23:03,215 --> 03:23:06,675
you scoff at fixing up the building for $500 million, a half a billion,

2654
03:23:07,295 --> 03:23:10,785
yet it may cost that much to move it. Then you also have the demolition cost

2655
03:23:11,495 --> 03:23:15,435
of a building that is not going to come down easy. You need to look at the demolition

2656
03:23:16,185 --> 03:23:19,555
cost, the relocation cost moving, 9 1 1 3 1 emergency

2657
03:23:20,195 --> 03:23:24,035
preparedness. You need to have all the numbers. Please look at the numbers. We have plenty

2658
03:23:24,415 --> 03:23:28,255
of time now. The masks not coming around. Thank

2659
03:23:28,605 --> 03:23:30,015
you. Naomi green.

2660
03:23:35,305 --> 03:23:39,085
hello? Can you hear me? Yes, you may continue. Thank you. Vote

2661
03:23:39,375 --> 03:23:43,255
against item three. Do not fund to, uh, do not

2662
03:23:43,445 --> 03:23:47,215
vote to fund the repairs for the building. As a community advocate

2663
03:23:47,875 --> 03:23:51,655
for some of the most marginalized neighborhoods in dallas, I understand the importance

2664
03:23:52,555 --> 03:23:55,825
of city resources and the impact that they have on people's daily lives.

2665
03:23:56,655 --> 03:24:00,445
feelings about a building will not create opportunities for our neighborhoods, improve

2666
03:24:00,935 --> 03:24:04,815
quality of life, or help communities grow. Our taxpayer dollars

2667
03:24:05,205 --> 03:24:07,765
deserve to be spent wisely and responsibly.

2668
03:24:09,515 --> 03:24:13,495
it is not fiscally, fiscally responsible to invest hundreds of millions of

2669
03:24:13,655 --> 03:24:17,615
dollars into an outdated aging building that will never

2670
03:24:17,965 --> 03:24:21,815
meet modern standards and most importantly does not

2671
03:24:22,015 --> 03:24:25,935
provide a quality of life and safe work environment for the employees who serve

2672
03:24:26,435 --> 03:24:30,325
our residents every day. I cannot stand here today and say that cutting city

2673
03:24:30,895 --> 03:24:34,595
services to repair the building is the right thing to do. We

2674
03:24:34,965 --> 03:24:38,735
must pay our communities. We must put our

2675
03:24:39,455 --> 03:24:43,405
emotions aside. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, sylvia

2676
03:24:43,855 --> 03:24:46,935
lagos. It's not online.

2677
03:24:48,115 --> 03:24:50,575
mr. Mayor, this concludes your speakers for this item.

2678
03:24:55,195 --> 03:24:59,135
is there, um, chairman west for what purpose? Uh, to make

2679
03:24:59,255 --> 03:25:01,335
a motion you recognize for that purpose,

2680
03:25:04,055 --> 03:25:07,925
I move to deny this item, and because the city manager has completed

2681
03:25:09,505 --> 03:25:12,635
subsection one sub paragraphs, numbers 1, 2, 4,

2682
03:25:13,715 --> 03:25:17,715
and five of resolution number 2 6 0 4 9 9. Direct

2683
03:25:18,135 --> 03:25:21,915
the city manager to continue following resolution number 2 6 0 4 9 9

2684
03:25:23,575 --> 03:25:27,575
subparagraph three to explore options for the disposition of city

2685
03:25:27,775 --> 03:25:31,575
hall site and bring these options back to city council no later

2686
03:25:31,855 --> 03:25:35,735
than august 26th, 2026. Second, it's been moved in

2687
03:25:35,895 --> 03:25:39,735
second. Is there any discussion? Chairman west, you recognize for five minutes for the public, we are

2688
03:25:39,955 --> 03:25:43,595
on agenda item three. Motion by

2689
03:25:44,055 --> 03:25:47,055
chairman west. You re us for five minutes. Thank you, mayor. So this motion

2690
03:25:48,475 --> 03:25:52,295
pauses any, uh, move to begin the renovation process

2691
03:25:52,955 --> 03:25:56,285
at this point. And it does. It's intended to do exactly what

2692
03:25:57,015 --> 03:26:00,815
many speakers, including those who spoke today from the safe city hall

2693
03:26:01,095 --> 03:26:04,455
coalition, have asked for, which is to get us a full picture of the numbers,

2694
03:26:05,125 --> 03:26:08,815
including the lease options, um, and, and the cost

2695
03:26:09,195 --> 03:26:13,015
of leasing to own, um, a different building. That one of the main

2696
03:26:13,215 --> 03:26:17,095
things that have been asked for from my residents in my town hall and from many

2697
03:26:17,295 --> 03:26:20,975
of the speakers over the course of this last several months, is to have a true

2698
03:26:21,695 --> 03:26:25,455
side-by-side comparison. We cannot do that if we stop the process

2699
03:26:25,785 --> 03:26:29,625
today. A few questions for staff and I'd like to go ahead and bring up slide

2700
03:26:29,975 --> 03:26:30,415
38, please.

2701
03:26:44,105 --> 03:26:47,555
good evening. And I don't think the presentation's available to pull back up right now.

2702
03:26:48,625 --> 03:26:52,415
okay. Well, if we can work on that, I think it's, it's helpful. Um, so the

2703
03:26:52,635 --> 03:26:56,595
deck that was presented by you a few hours ago discussed the costs of renovating

2704
03:26:57,195 --> 03:27:00,875
city hall in a phased re repair plan between five and 10 years.

2705
03:27:01,815 --> 03:27:04,575
um, my first question is to, um,

2706
03:27:05,855 --> 03:27:09,495
on slide 38, walk me through the, the

2707
03:27:09,865 --> 03:27:13,475
highlighted, um, figures there I see under the gresham

2708
03:27:13,925 --> 03:27:17,335
smith option number two, which you used jack to,

2709
03:27:18,535 --> 03:27:22,415
um, really base all the other slides and, and the,

2710
03:27:23,015 --> 03:27:26,215
the, the, you know, what we'd have to do to pay for the phase repair. Um,

2711
03:27:27,025 --> 03:27:30,835
what it, what are the, the major figures here mean when I see

2712
03:27:31,255 --> 03:27:35,135
subcap subtotal capital of 769 million and

2713
03:27:35,355 --> 03:27:39,155
then I see, um, you know, subcapital plus interest

2714
03:27:39,455 --> 03:27:42,285
1.225 million billion. What does that mean?

2715
03:27:44,315 --> 03:27:48,045
good evening. John johnson, chief of real estate. So the gresham smith option

2716
03:27:48,405 --> 03:27:50,915
number two item that you've referenced is around $556.8 million

2717
03:27:53,385 --> 03:27:57,205
for corrective repairs. That includes repairs that are necessary to the building

2718
03:27:57,705 --> 03:28:01,705
as well as a da and code required upgrades. Um, as

2719
03:28:01,965 --> 03:28:05,725
I mentioned, so the a da compliance is included in that number. The interiors piece

2720
03:28:06,005 --> 03:28:09,645
of 107 million, that's walls, ceilings, floorings, finish

2721
03:28:10,025 --> 03:28:13,965
out, uh, ff and e furniture fixture and equipment desks, chairs,

2722
03:28:14,245 --> 03:28:18,115
storage workstations. Technology would be for network systems,

2723
03:28:19,085 --> 03:28:23,085
av systems, broadcast chambers, technology, and then soft costs would

2724
03:28:23,365 --> 03:28:27,325
be the design, construction administration, permitting, and those things that

2725
03:28:27,485 --> 03:28:31,075
are necessary for us to deliver the project with a flat $10 million contingency.

2726
03:28:36,195 --> 03:28:39,985
okay. What would generally be in the 20 year o and m budget of

2727
03:28:40,205 --> 03:28:44,165
$229 million? So the 20,

2728
03:28:46,745 --> 03:28:50,695
sorry. Uh, we use the actual number, it's around $8 million a year

2729
03:28:50,815 --> 03:28:54,375
that we have for this building. That's things like electricity, gas, water security,

2730
03:28:54,895 --> 03:28:58,855
custodial, uh, landscape pest, power washing, window washing. And so that's

2731
03:28:59,135 --> 03:29:02,855
an $8 million fee or an $8 million expense with a 3% escalation

2732
03:29:03,495 --> 03:29:07,155
over a 20 year period, which is how you get to the $229 million that's

2733
03:29:07,575 --> 03:29:10,855
listed for an apples to apples comparison on the slide for slide 38.

2734
03:29:12,525 --> 03:29:15,835
okay. This total cost figure that's in option two,

2735
03:29:16,635 --> 03:29:20,615
um, would be paid out over 20 years. Right. So this is where I'm gonna need

2736
03:29:20,775 --> 03:29:24,705
the chief financial officer's help. The amount of the

2737
03:29:24,825 --> 03:29:26,425
1.5 is that paid out over 20 years.

2738
03:29:30,715 --> 03:29:33,595
the question regarding, um, the $1.5 million

2739
03:29:35,955 --> 03:29:39,055
in this scenario, the scenario does assume that the $769 million

2740
03:29:41,235 --> 03:29:45,175
for corrective repairs and modernization, so the total

2741
03:29:45,425 --> 03:29:49,255
$769.8 million of capital improvements

2742
03:29:50,015 --> 03:29:53,815
would be financed over 20 years. The financing cost

2743
03:29:54,095 --> 03:29:57,895
in this scenario is $456 million. And then

2744
03:29:58,355 --> 03:30:02,095
in addition to paying the capital principle and interest back over 20

2745
03:30:02,385 --> 03:30:06,335
years, the operating cost that's in the, uh, o

2746
03:30:06,455 --> 03:30:10,275
and m line operation and maintenance line, 229 million is

2747
03:30:10,495 --> 03:30:14,415
the cost over 20 years of custodial utilities security.

2748
03:30:14,715 --> 03:30:18,415
so yes, the $1.5 billion total is a 20

2749
03:30:18,885 --> 03:30:22,635
year, uh, cost of occupancy repair.

2750
03:30:23,325 --> 03:30:27,015
okay. Interest on the debt and operations of the facility.

2751
03:30:27,835 --> 03:30:31,775
got it. So I'm gonna come back in a second to the apples to apples comparison, but I

2752
03:30:31,895 --> 03:30:35,695
do want to know if we did vote in support of this,

2753
03:30:35,915 --> 03:30:39,645
if this ended up being a yes vote for this item. When does staff foresee

2754
03:30:40,195 --> 03:30:43,405
beginning the renovation process? When would that kick off?

2755
03:30:45,845 --> 03:30:49,645
so all of the numbers that we have from aecom, from gresham smith, and

2756
03:30:49,865 --> 03:30:53,785
from wm two company are based in 2020 $8 because that would be the

2757
03:30:53,985 --> 03:30:57,935
very earliest that feasibly we could do anything for construction. However,

2758
03:30:58,655 --> 03:31:02,385
it's really important that the city council identify the direction

2759
03:31:02,945 --> 03:31:06,785
and the funding and the scope that they want to include. And we would need that upfront because we have to do

2760
03:31:07,045 --> 03:31:10,945
design work. We need to, uh, ensure that we procured architects and

2761
03:31:11,225 --> 03:31:15,105
engineers who will actually do the construction documents, come up with the phasing. We have permitting, we

2762
03:31:15,265 --> 03:31:18,745
need to bid out for the general contractor, allow time for the swing space

2763
03:31:19,485 --> 03:31:23,335
for the actual construction commissioning, and then move back in. So it would be a very complex

2764
03:31:24,245 --> 03:31:28,065
and very complicated situation. So it would likely take at least 28,

2765
03:31:29,125 --> 03:31:32,785
likely, probably a year or two past that. And I think that question is really important,

2766
03:31:33,845 --> 03:31:37,745
um, that we, you know, when we get the question, what's the rush? I mean,

2767
03:31:37,865 --> 03:31:41,765
part of what I've been told by the city manager is she needs to plan her budget. Now

2768
03:31:42,245 --> 03:31:45,985
that's, I assume that's still correct for this next fall, but what's the risk

2769
03:31:46,925 --> 03:31:50,785
to this building? Um, if we do nothing, if this council says, well,

2770
03:31:50,945 --> 03:31:54,665
we don't want to put the money into it to fix it, we don't wanna move to another

2771
03:31:55,225 --> 03:31:59,185
location, what happens if we kick it down the road another five or 10 years? You know, other

2772
03:31:59,505 --> 03:32:03,025
than putting council staff and the public through this yet again,

2773
03:32:03,575 --> 03:32:07,305
when, when my time's done. So I think that it's the cost

2774
03:32:07,745 --> 03:32:11,625
increase with every month with every day it costs more for stuff in the future. Uh, we expose

2775
03:32:12,185 --> 03:32:16,145
ourselves to additional risks. We would potentially see additional failures that would occur over

2776
03:32:16,415 --> 03:32:20,385
time, broken pipes, systems that fail that we have not maintained or replaced,

2777
03:32:20,805 --> 03:32:22,705
and they would probably become more prevalent over time.

2778
03:32:24,965 --> 03:32:28,845
so jack, um, you presented three options on how we're gonna pay for this, uh,

2779
03:32:29,465 --> 03:32:33,225
a tax rate increase, a bond election, and there were a lot of good questions

2780
03:32:33,485 --> 03:32:37,415
by, uh, councilor stewart and, and some others. Um, our cuts

2781
03:32:37,725 --> 03:32:41,705
in staff or services or, or both, um, do you see any other options

2782
03:32:42,365 --> 03:32:44,775
on how we would pay for city hall repairs

2783
03:32:46,475 --> 03:32:50,385
other than those three options? Uh, certificate

2784
03:32:50,625 --> 03:32:54,575
typically for these types of improvements? Uh, for the general fund,

2785
03:32:54,925 --> 03:32:58,685
we have two basic sources. Uh, either we, um,

2786
03:32:59,165 --> 03:33:03,145
use cash to pay for it or we issue debt. And the cash

2787
03:33:03,785 --> 03:33:07,585
scenario would involve potentially reducing

2788
03:33:08,305 --> 03:33:11,985
services, cutting services, or increasing property tax to accomplish

2789
03:33:12,505 --> 03:33:16,365
it. Um, there's really not another large enough source

2790
03:33:16,845 --> 03:33:20,765
of funds. We would take advantage of cost sharing with the

2791
03:33:20,985 --> 03:33:24,905
other, uh, occupants in this building, such as the water utility department and

2792
03:33:25,065 --> 03:33:28,605
others. However, the, the bulk of the cost is gonna fall on

2793
03:33:29,125 --> 03:33:33,015
the general fund portion of the city government. And so you either then

2794
03:33:33,485 --> 03:33:36,995
use cash in the general fund, or you use debt through the debt service fund.

2795
03:33:39,575 --> 03:33:43,395
so if we, if we end up relocating to a different

2796
03:33:43,955 --> 03:33:47,785
location, there's obviously gonna be costs with relocating too. It's

2797
03:33:48,075 --> 03:33:51,475
not gonna be free. There's gonna be, we're gonna have additional, we're gonna have other costs.

2798
03:33:52,295 --> 03:33:56,155
um, we of course don't know what those numbers are because we haven't

2799
03:33:56,475 --> 03:34:00,395
turned loose our brokers to go out and talk to and, you know, negotiate a

2800
03:34:00,515 --> 03:34:04,315
final deal, which is what the motion, my motion is intended to allow us to do.

2801
03:34:04,975 --> 03:34:08,395
um, but would relocating in your understanding

2802
03:34:09,225 --> 03:34:13,115
trigger one of those three funding mechanisms, do you think under

2803
03:34:13,475 --> 03:34:17,315
a re a relocating scenario? Um, we're still going

2804
03:34:17,555 --> 03:34:21,315
to need to increase the tax rate issue, bonds or cut services.

2805
03:34:24,495 --> 03:34:28,195
so based on the market exploration that our partners have been through

2806
03:34:29,655 --> 03:34:33,595
and looking at what's available, um, they have made it

2807
03:34:33,755 --> 03:34:36,435
clear that there are material savings to the city

2808
03:34:37,815 --> 03:34:41,615
by relocating from, uh, 1500 marilla. And

2809
03:34:41,835 --> 03:34:45,835
so that savings is, um, they've described in the

2810
03:34:45,995 --> 03:34:49,995
hundreds of millions of dollars, don't know an exact amount, uh, because they're

2811
03:34:50,435 --> 03:34:53,965
still working through, uh, with the potential properties,

2812
03:34:55,065 --> 03:34:58,625
what, what there might really be. Uh, and those will get refined

2813
03:34:59,115 --> 03:35:02,555
over time if we relocate. There are other options

2814
03:35:03,135 --> 03:35:06,495
for financing. You can work financing through a lease to own,

2815
03:35:07,175 --> 03:35:10,995
you can, uh, work with the property that would

2816
03:35:11,275 --> 03:35:14,995
be purchased, uh, on how that is structured. There's the opportunity,

2817
03:35:16,135 --> 03:35:20,085
uh, in some of the properties that are available to have excess space

2818
03:35:20,435 --> 03:35:24,115
that could be rented to, uh, a third party or a private tenant

2819
03:35:24,475 --> 03:35:28,015
that would provide an additional revenue stream. Um,

2820
03:35:28,885 --> 03:35:32,315
there would be the opportunity to consolidate some of our operations

2821
03:35:32,915 --> 03:35:36,875
from some of our leased space that we currently have from some of our

2822
03:35:37,035 --> 03:35:40,795
other owned space that we have, bringing those together in a

2823
03:35:41,155 --> 03:35:44,715
consolidated, uh, city hall and divest of those other

2824
03:35:45,385 --> 03:35:49,275
real estate assets. So there's a lot of other tools in the tool

2825
03:35:49,515 --> 03:35:53,475
chest, so to speak, uh, for relocating than I

2826
03:35:53,615 --> 03:35:56,315
see possible, uh, in the options to repair.

2827
03:35:58,055 --> 03:36:01,595
you touched on this, but in the relocating options, are there options

2828
03:36:02,495 --> 03:36:06,395
in there for a lease to own? So we wouldn't just be necessarily a

2829
03:36:06,515 --> 03:36:10,295
tenant if we went in that option? So there is

2830
03:36:10,695 --> 03:36:14,475
no anticipation that we would, uh, be a permanent tenant somewhere.

2831
03:36:15,405 --> 03:36:18,815
every option that we're looking at would be, uh, to, um,

2832
03:36:19,795 --> 03:36:23,705
I, if we did go with the lease, it would be a lease to own option. Our, our goal

2833
03:36:24,095 --> 03:36:27,825
is to own city hall, not to lease city hall. Okay.

2834
03:36:28,115 --> 03:36:31,975
and I, I guess I just want to really get, I, I really want to

2835
03:36:32,335 --> 03:36:36,165
get this answer out there for, from people at my town hall. Were concerned about

2836
03:36:36,405 --> 03:36:40,285
the fact that we really don't have the apples to apples comparison. We don't

2837
03:36:40,485 --> 03:36:44,305
have it today to be able to talk about, um, when will the public get to

2838
03:36:44,525 --> 03:36:48,435
see the true comparison of the cost between staying

2839
03:36:48,925 --> 03:36:52,805
in city hall and renovating and going out to lease in the market

2840
03:36:54,215 --> 03:36:57,955
lease to own. So c-b-r-e-d-I want to give

2841
03:36:58,245 --> 03:37:01,745
more answer or I can answer this. Okay. So, um,

2842
03:37:02,665 --> 03:37:06,215
if, if counsel at some point, um, gives

2843
03:37:06,905 --> 03:37:10,715
the, uh, our partners with cbre the authorization

2844
03:37:11,785 --> 03:37:15,225
to do additional work and

2845
03:37:15,915 --> 03:37:19,885
work with the market and fine tune the, the proposals we received,

2846
03:37:20,435 --> 03:37:23,435
then we would be able to bring something back. But until then

2847
03:37:24,945 --> 03:37:28,905
the, um, the consultants are not able to get any finer, uh,

2848
03:37:29,255 --> 03:37:32,925
tuned numbers than we've already received, is my understanding. And I'll ask cbre

2849
03:37:33,625 --> 03:37:37,485
if they have anything to add to feel free. No, I I I, I agree with

2850
03:37:37,685 --> 03:37:41,605
that. Uh, the, the one thing when you were asking the question about savings and lease to own options,

2851
03:37:42,345 --> 03:37:46,325
uh, our market exploration, uh, has determined, uh, that there are really some

2852
03:37:46,525 --> 03:37:50,405
unique opportunities within the central business district to not only lease lease with

2853
03:37:50,685 --> 03:37:54,555
a purchase option, buy outright and, and, and other, uh, uh, financing

2854
03:37:55,165 --> 03:37:58,925
options that that, that were mentioned earlier from that perspective. But in terms of the savings

2855
03:37:59,265 --> 03:38:03,165
and, and the true opportunity in particular in downtown, uh, I wanna quantify

2856
03:38:03,285 --> 03:38:07,245
that there are hundreds of millions of dollars worth of savings just from our

2857
03:38:07,485 --> 03:38:11,365
market expiration at this point. Um, and you know, that that's accomplished.

2858
03:38:11,765 --> 03:38:15,685
as again, jack mentioned, uh, the, the opportunity to reduce operating

2859
03:38:16,445 --> 03:38:20,065
expenses and capital expenses, uh, the opportunity to, uh, secure

2860
03:38:20,485 --> 03:38:24,345
the benefit of lease revenue presently in some of those properties. And

2861
03:38:25,605 --> 03:38:28,765
I that laugh. Uh, and then, uh, lastly the consolidation,

2862
03:38:29,665 --> 03:38:33,425
uh, of city, uh, city owned assets is, is a tremendous opportunity there. So,

2863
03:38:34,425 --> 03:38:38,265
so the motion, as I read it, would allow you to go out

2864
03:38:38,785 --> 03:38:42,685
and continue negotiating, come back with final numbers that the city could

2865
03:38:42,925 --> 03:38:46,805
then look at. Correct. So if I could jump in for just

2866
03:38:46,965 --> 03:38:50,865
a second, 'cause I wanna go back to a couple things that I think mr. Ireland and our,

2867
03:38:51,225 --> 03:38:55,065
uh, partner with cbre, um, they've responded to. Um, so

2868
03:38:55,425 --> 03:38:59,325
we currently have operating expenses here at

2869
03:38:59,445 --> 03:39:02,765
city hall, right? And when you take those operating

2870
03:39:03,645 --> 03:39:07,525
expenses, the opportunity that we don't have now to create that revenue

2871
03:39:07,825 --> 03:39:11,605
stream for other leases that might be a part of a location,

2872
03:39:12,785 --> 03:39:16,645
the consolidation of other city departments that are

2873
03:39:16,805 --> 03:39:19,565
currently in other buildings, city owned, and some with lease space

2874
03:39:20,865 --> 03:39:24,585
and the potential opportunity to colo locate within another governmental entity.

2875
03:39:25,655 --> 03:39:29,585
those are ways that would allow for us to have, um,

2876
03:39:30,165 --> 03:39:33,785
a new model for whether it's a lease to own

2877
03:39:34,485 --> 03:39:38,325
purchase outright that we don't have currently. What you just

2878
03:39:38,715 --> 03:39:41,625
read from my perspective, and I'll let the attorneys jump in,

2879
03:39:43,135 --> 03:39:46,875
there is an item that still remains in the march 4th resolution that

2880
03:39:47,165 --> 03:39:50,675
allowed for us to continue to review options

2881
03:39:51,185 --> 03:39:55,045
to dispose of the site. What's not before you today

2882
03:39:56,105 --> 03:39:59,565
is the authorization for us to go do the pre-development

2883
03:40:00,285 --> 03:40:04,035
work that will allow for us to bring you back more

2884
03:40:04,325 --> 03:40:08,315
details around the numbers to truly get you to the side by side. That

2885
03:40:08,605 --> 03:40:12,325
is not what's on for today. And I think what you read

2886
03:40:12,755 --> 03:40:16,525
into the record on the motion is the explorer options to do

2887
03:40:16,785 --> 03:40:20,635
the dispose of the site. And that's what I think I heard. Okay. So I'll just, I'll

2888
03:40:21,275 --> 03:40:24,565
lean over to the attorneys and make sure that I didn't say that incorrectly.

2889
03:40:34,855 --> 03:40:38,615
point of order, mr. Mayor, state your point of order chair

2890
03:40:38,965 --> 03:40:42,295
mayor, this motion is out of order in that in part authorizes

2891
03:40:42,985 --> 03:40:46,685
the city manager to pursue opportunities for the redevelopment of the

2892
03:40:47,285 --> 03:40:50,995
property located at 1500 marilla street, which is outside

2893
03:40:51,545 --> 03:40:54,295
the scope of agenda item three that we are now discussing.

2894
03:40:55,865 --> 03:40:59,745
and in fact is the subject of agenda item four, which we

2895
03:40:59,965 --> 03:41:03,805
are expressly prohibited from discussing at today's meeting by the tro

2896
03:41:04,465 --> 03:41:06,635
issued by the 14th district court yesterday.

2897
03:41:08,935 --> 03:41:12,595
thank you for making your point of order. I will let the, uh, city

2898
03:41:13,165 --> 03:41:16,995
attorney slash arian address that issue first before I

2899
03:41:17,425 --> 03:41:20,295
rule on that. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Um,

2900
03:41:22,165 --> 03:41:25,475
this motion, all it references is, is

2901
03:41:26,445 --> 03:41:30,055
item number four. Lemme make sure I have the right one. Uh, item number

2902
03:41:31,075 --> 03:41:34,895
one three off the original march 4th resolution.

2903
03:41:36,045 --> 03:41:39,975
it's already in effect, it's already what the, uh, city manager's required

2904
03:41:40,095 --> 03:41:43,935
to do per your resolution. It just puts a date that that information is due

2905
03:41:44,295 --> 03:41:48,295
to the council. It's, it lists the items that have already been accomplished

2906
03:41:48,915 --> 03:41:52,855
in the resolution, the march 4th resolution, including this one, which was

2907
03:41:53,075 --> 03:41:56,895
to bring the phase two, at least two phased, uh, repairs, back

2908
03:41:57,555 --> 03:42:01,415
repair, repair programs back. And now that those have all been done, it just asked to finish

2909
03:42:01,655 --> 03:42:05,595
the resolution, it does not do anything new. It does not add any new

2910
03:42:05,815 --> 03:42:09,635
activities. It merely references the previous resolution, but

2911
03:42:09,855 --> 03:42:13,835
that resolution is not on the agenda today. That portion of it is not on

2912
03:42:14,055 --> 03:42:17,835
the agenda. It, I'm, I'm ruling it that the, the

2913
03:42:18,085 --> 03:42:21,805
point of order is overruled for the reason that it, it doesn't actually,

2914
03:42:23,075 --> 03:42:26,915
it doesn't do anything other than give a date certain for when that has

2915
03:42:27,135 --> 03:42:31,075
to be completed. That's it. So it's

2916
03:42:31,315 --> 03:42:31,315
overruled.

2917
03:42:36,675 --> 03:42:40,565
okay. I think the city man, did you have any thoughts to complete on that? 'cause before you

2918
03:42:40,765 --> 03:42:44,425
were point of order out of there n no, mr. Um,

2919
03:42:44,825 --> 03:42:47,945
uh, chairman wesley, it was just to make sure that we are

2920
03:42:48,935 --> 03:42:52,665
completing an item and it would be the only remaining

2921
03:42:53,265 --> 03:42:57,025
item that we've not completed from the march 4th resolution. I've been asked several times

2922
03:42:57,955 --> 03:43:01,615
about the additional work, and we kind of did it in a logical step.

2923
03:43:02,085 --> 03:43:06,025
we started with, uh, making sure that we did the repair plan, which you've

2924
03:43:06,345 --> 03:43:10,045
had, we brought it in phases. And then this was one of the items that's

2925
03:43:10,465 --> 03:43:14,245
currently still on that march 4th resolution that we've not completed. And

2926
03:43:14,485 --> 03:43:18,305
the way I understand it is that you, you are giving me a timeframe that you want

2927
03:43:18,505 --> 03:43:22,065
me to return to counsel with that final step. Alright. So what is your understanding

2928
03:43:22,585 --> 03:43:26,505
that you will be bringing back to us by august 26th, 2026, based on

2929
03:43:26,625 --> 03:43:30,425
the motion that you just read? We would do the options

2930
03:43:31,005 --> 03:43:34,885
to look at what with potential, a way to look at the site. Mm-hmm

2931
03:43:35,345 --> 03:43:39,135
. It's not making the decision, it's not finalizing anything. It's

2932
03:43:39,545 --> 03:43:43,225
bringing you those options back and then given the council an opportunity to weigh in

2933
03:43:43,685 --> 03:43:47,605
on what those options might be. Okay. And when can council expect

2934
03:43:48,025 --> 03:43:51,545
to get, um, more refined numbers

2935
03:43:52,055 --> 03:43:55,705
from cbre on potential relocation options? Because that's the apples

2936
03:43:56,065 --> 03:43:59,985
to apples a lot of people are asking for. That is, that is not the item before you

2937
03:44:00,235 --> 03:44:03,385
today. And we would be seeking hopefully, future

2938
03:44:04,505 --> 03:44:08,325
guidance from the city council. But that is not the item that is on the agenda for today. That's

2939
03:44:08,745 --> 03:44:12,625
part of the reason why the tro has prevented that from happening, correct? That's exactly right. Yes, sir. Okay.

2940
03:44:12,825 --> 03:44:16,675
thank you. You were you finished? Yes.

2941
03:44:17,085 --> 03:44:20,155
okay. Chairman, ridley, you recognize for five minutes, you,

2942
03:44:23,315 --> 03:44:26,965
I'm opposed to the motion in that

2943
03:44:27,515 --> 03:44:31,355
it eliminates any repair option for city hall. The

2944
03:44:31,575 --> 03:44:34,865
repair options that we have received today greatly exaggerate

2945
03:44:36,435 --> 03:44:40,075
repair costs. Indeed, they don't address repair costs so much as

2946
03:44:40,805 --> 03:44:44,255
replacement costs, including upgrades

2947
03:44:45,635 --> 03:44:49,415
and improvements to the existing building, which exceed the scope

2948
03:44:49,655 --> 03:44:53,335
of what this council requested in the march 4th resolution.

2949
03:44:54,995 --> 03:44:58,775
as a result, they have included all kinds of costs, totaling

2950
03:44:59,335 --> 03:45:03,175
over $200 million for improvements in the building that

2951
03:45:03,455 --> 03:45:07,165
we never asked for, and therefore exaggerates

2952
03:45:07,885 --> 03:45:11,015
greatly the cost to repair as outlined

2953
03:45:11,955 --> 03:45:15,315
in the item three, uh, repair

2954
03:45:16,375 --> 03:45:19,685
strategy. And so because this item,

2955
03:45:20,795 --> 03:45:24,415
uh, falsely exaggerates the cost of the repair

2956
03:45:25,505 --> 03:45:29,235
costs, and we don't have a reasonable repair plan

2957
03:45:29,785 --> 03:45:33,755
in front of us, it is premature to consider this

2958
03:45:34,075 --> 03:45:37,995
item as a result. Uh, although

2959
03:45:38,555 --> 03:45:41,785
I am in favor of a repair strategy, unfortunately

2960
03:45:42,735 --> 03:45:46,675
we don't have a reasonable repair strategy at this time

2961
03:45:47,215 --> 03:45:50,835
in front of us. Uh, but I would offer an amendment

2962
03:45:51,415 --> 03:45:55,375
at this time to, uh, create

2963
03:45:56,275 --> 03:46:00,075
a, uh, to authorize the city manager to create

2964
03:46:00,755 --> 03:46:04,565
a repair plan of just critical repair needs,

2965
03:46:06,055 --> 03:46:09,235
not including any enhancements of the building

2966
03:46:10,335 --> 03:46:13,685
as the current repair plan does. Second,

2967
03:46:17,715 --> 03:46:21,275
I need the, uh, city attorney to sit down, but it's been moved and second, and I seconded. Yeah, it's been moved.

2968
03:46:21,985 --> 03:46:25,895
it's seconded. And you recognize for five minutes on

2969
03:46:26,115 --> 03:46:30,065
your amendment, mr. Ridley, what we need is a reasonable repair plan

2970
03:46:30,425 --> 03:46:34,335
that addresses both our financial capabilities and the

2971
03:46:34,835 --> 03:46:38,735
critical repair needs of the building. We don't have that yet. And

2972
03:46:39,065 --> 03:46:41,665
it's time that we focused on what this council

2973
03:46:43,195 --> 03:46:47,175
directed the city manager to do on march the third, which was

2974
03:46:47,425 --> 03:46:51,305
develop at least two repair plans for critical repairs.

2975
03:46:52,375 --> 03:46:56,195
that's something I'm quoting from that resolution. We don't

2976
03:46:56,435 --> 03:46:59,855
have that yet. And I think it's time that we

2977
03:47:00,875 --> 03:47:04,765
insisted that we get that from the city manager along

2978
03:47:05,115 --> 03:47:09,065
with a reasonable financing plan for that cost,

2979
03:47:09,765 --> 03:47:13,745
which I believe is substantially less than the currently

2980
03:47:14,945 --> 03:47:17,545
exaggerated quote repair plan.

2981
03:47:22,475 --> 03:47:26,455
anyone else wish to speak on for or against the amendment by chairman

2982
03:47:26,575 --> 03:47:30,435
ridley chairwoman mendelssohn, you recognize for five minutes on the amendment by chairman ridley.

2983
03:47:31,605 --> 03:47:35,375
well, actually, he said it so beautifully. I don't have a lot more to say.

2984
03:47:36,315 --> 03:47:39,795
the motion that I made in march that you quoted

2985
03:47:40,415 --> 03:47:44,415
from is exactly what we didn't get. And I think I said

2986
03:47:44,615 --> 03:47:47,855
that when we had that briefing. And we are

2987
03:47:48,685 --> 03:47:52,175
hearing briefing after briefing that's building on an incorrect

2988
03:47:52,695 --> 03:47:56,225
premise. And that's why all the numbers are so outrageous.

2989
03:47:58,075 --> 03:48:02,015
and we've never, ever had a public

2990
03:48:02,425 --> 03:48:06,285
input like this for any topic. There's

2991
03:48:06,775 --> 03:48:10,375
a reason. It's not that these are all the preservationists in our city.

2992
03:48:11,645 --> 03:48:15,135
it's because they know there's a problem here. There's a problem

2993
03:48:15,925 --> 03:48:19,155
with the contrived way this has all been rolled out

2994
03:48:20,195 --> 03:48:24,045
and how it's been presented. The process is not transparent.

2995
03:48:26,345 --> 03:48:30,055
instead, a yes no answer gets a 10 minute

2996
03:48:31,455 --> 03:48:34,795
circular mouthful of words that

2997
03:48:35,655 --> 03:48:39,245
sound really nice, but don't mean anything. We need spreadsheets

2998
03:48:40,195 --> 03:48:43,365
with documented costs, who, who they are. And

2999
03:48:44,245 --> 03:48:47,975
apparently we need to understand what the scope is because that seems

3000
03:48:48,325 --> 03:48:51,985
to be the key here where some folks are looking for,

3001
03:48:52,465 --> 03:48:55,035
for the four seasons for their city hall.

3002
03:48:56,745 --> 03:49:00,645
and, you know, I'm not saying that it, it should

3003
03:49:01,045 --> 03:49:04,945
be anything, um,

3004
03:49:05,555 --> 03:49:09,405
even nicer than the airport. But when I hear people talk about,

3005
03:49:10,225 --> 03:49:14,205
oh my gosh, the bathroom's in city hall, you know what? They're not fancy, but they're

3006
03:49:14,485 --> 03:49:18,405
still better than dfw. So I'm not

3007
03:49:18,525 --> 03:49:21,965
sure what people are expecting, but we need to have

3008
03:49:22,685 --> 03:49:26,365
a serviceable building. People should be able to come to work

3009
03:49:27,065 --> 03:49:30,865
and do their job. But some

3010
03:49:31,155 --> 03:49:34,895
of the things that I have heard around this horseshoe and

3011
03:49:35,295 --> 03:49:37,665
not around this horseshoe, are very disconcerting.

3012
03:49:39,575 --> 03:49:43,345
and if you wanna be in private

3013
03:49:44,195 --> 03:49:47,955
business and have lots of really rich amenities, you should go work

3014
03:49:48,335 --> 03:49:52,155
for a different company. But if you wanna work for the public, you wanna

3015
03:49:52,815 --> 03:49:56,615
be a public servant, whether it's elected or non-elected, come be

3016
03:49:56,835 --> 03:50:00,555
here. You can make a huge difference. But sometimes that difference

3017
03:50:01,015 --> 03:50:04,915
is actually saying something really hard and sometimes you're maybe the only one, or

3018
03:50:05,115 --> 03:50:08,865
maybe you're one of six, but I'm telling you that

3019
03:50:09,655 --> 03:50:12,985
the public knows what's going on here and it's not okay.

3020
03:50:14,015 --> 03:50:17,335
and we want real numbers about what is

3021
03:50:18,195 --> 03:50:22,195
actually needed to be done here. The first six years I was on

3022
03:50:22,355 --> 03:50:26,315
council, this wasn't ever briefed. Not even once. And suddenly

3023
03:50:26,985 --> 03:50:30,865
it's a crisis. And this entire building

3024
03:50:31,365 --> 03:50:35,305
is absolutely, um, paralyzed with this conversation.

3025
03:50:37,755 --> 03:50:41,635
and mayor, I'm sorry, the people up the tollway don't have knives out

3026
03:50:41,855 --> 03:50:45,655
for us. They're laughing at us and they're

3027
03:50:46,135 --> 03:50:49,935
laughing about exactly what's happening. They want the best for us, but we need

3028
03:50:50,175 --> 03:50:53,935
to get serious about the fact that 15 acres is not going to

3029
03:50:54,435 --> 03:50:58,395
be what is the catalyst for downtown. The issues are

3030
03:50:58,615 --> 03:51:02,355
obviously much more complex. Thank you, ms.

3031
03:51:02,805 --> 03:51:05,875
cena. You're recognized for five minutes on the amendment by chairman ridley.

3032
03:51:07,485 --> 03:51:11,225
as an employee, I worked here for eight years and I, um, have seen council

3033
03:51:11,505 --> 03:51:15,345
members vote against repairing this building. I've seen mayors not supported

3034
03:51:15,945 --> 03:51:19,885
as well as a council member. I have to vote to

3035
03:51:20,525 --> 03:51:23,065
invest in this building and invest in our employees

3036
03:51:25,215 --> 03:51:28,965
until we have a plan on where we're gonna go. What if something happens

3037
03:51:29,385 --> 03:51:33,205
in this building? We have to be financial stewards and take

3038
03:51:33,445 --> 03:51:37,085
care and advocate for the employees that they have safe working conditions

3039
03:51:37,725 --> 03:51:41,445
here. And so I would definitely support any amendment

3040
03:51:42,055 --> 03:51:45,895
that allows for repairs to continue and for us to continue

3041
03:51:46,095 --> 03:51:49,875
to explore that. Thank you. And also wishing to speak on

3042
03:51:50,395 --> 03:51:53,775
for or against the amendment by chairman ridley. I do.

3043
03:51:54,755 --> 03:51:58,275
mr. Roth, you recognize for five minutes. Thank you. Um,

3044
03:51:59,155 --> 03:52:03,045
uh, I'm, I'm in support of the motion. Um, I think that,

3045
03:52:03,515 --> 03:52:07,445
um, it's really important, uh, that, that

3046
03:52:07,735 --> 03:52:11,635
we have the opportunity to, um, to

3047
03:52:12,115 --> 03:52:15,495
create a plan for repairs. Uh, I'm concerned that,

3048
03:52:16,235 --> 03:52:19,605
uh, that if we do not allow for a repair plan

3049
03:52:20,555 --> 03:52:24,395
to be thoughtfully introduced, uh, that we will not be

3050
03:52:24,615 --> 03:52:28,435
able to pursue that option. Uh, as

3051
03:52:28,655 --> 03:52:32,075
a result, uh, I'm concerned that there are

3052
03:52:32,855 --> 03:52:36,495
absolutely significant challenges to any relocation

3053
03:52:36,995 --> 03:52:40,315
option that we're talking about. And that, uh, these are

3054
03:52:41,005 --> 03:52:44,975
very complex, uh, problems that are gonna be difficult to achieve.

3055
03:52:45,915 --> 03:52:49,875
and that, uh, potential savings that we're talking about are

3056
03:52:50,115 --> 03:52:53,615
not absolutely guaranteed. Therefore, I think we absolutely

3057
03:52:54,365 --> 03:52:58,175
need to have a, an opportunity to create

3058
03:52:58,695 --> 03:53:02,275
a planned, uh, thoughtful measured,

3059
03:53:03,135 --> 03:53:06,745
uh, action plan for working out, uh, repairs

3060
03:53:07,415 --> 03:53:11,315
and, and, and required renovation to the, to the

3061
03:53:11,475 --> 03:53:14,995
serious systems that, uh, we need, uh, in a

3062
03:53:15,555 --> 03:53:19,515
priority based, uh, approach. Um, I

3063
03:53:19,635 --> 03:53:23,555
think that, uh, if we don't do this, we're going

3064
03:53:23,715 --> 03:53:27,715
to be forced, uh, into, into a very, very difficult

3065
03:53:28,635 --> 03:53:32,465
situation without other alternatives. I think it's poor planning. I think it's

3066
03:53:32,865 --> 03:53:36,745
fiduciarily irresponsible, and I think it's, it's

3067
03:53:37,155 --> 03:53:40,915
a, a lack of, of, uh, sensitivity and respect to our citizens

3068
03:53:41,655 --> 03:53:45,375
if we do not explore an interim, uh,

3069
03:53:46,355 --> 03:53:50,295
situation, which allows us flexibility to, uh, to pursue

3070
03:53:51,345 --> 03:53:54,935
repairs. It, it's, doesn't require any firm amount

3071
03:53:55,355 --> 03:53:58,645
of money. It allows us to look at value added,

3072
03:53:59,455 --> 03:54:03,195
uh, repairs at a, at a strategic, on a strategic process.

3073
03:54:04,375 --> 03:54:08,175
uh, and I, and I think it gives us a lot of opportunities to,

3074
03:54:08,615 --> 03:54:12,235
to retain and maintain this building properly.

3075
03:54:13,055 --> 03:54:17,055
uh, and I would strongly recommend that we vote for the

3076
03:54:17,275 --> 03:54:20,915
amendment, and that we approve a motion that includes that amendment,

3077
03:54:21,815 --> 03:54:25,425
uh, which gives us more alternatives and opportunities to,

3078
03:54:26,185 --> 03:54:30,005
uh, to pursue a, a more concerted, thoughtful, and effective

3079
03:54:30,675 --> 03:54:34,645
plan. Thank you. Anyone else? I'd like to request a record

3080
03:54:34,765 --> 03:54:38,685
vote, please. I'm gonna have a record vote for everything for all of these items.

3081
03:54:39,145 --> 03:54:43,085
so, duly noted. Uh, anyone else wants speak on for against the

3082
03:54:43,245 --> 03:54:47,055
amendment? Mr. Basal? Do, you're recognized for five minutes.

3083
03:54:47,745 --> 03:54:51,435
thank you, mayor. Um, I will support this, uh, motion.

3084
03:54:52,575 --> 03:54:56,575
I believe one of the things that we have, um, got is exhaustive numbers.

3085
03:54:57,335 --> 03:55:01,155
I don't believe that it has gotten as technical as, uh, the, um, uh,

3086
03:55:01,605 --> 03:55:04,775
most critical needs as we've asked for it to be prioritized. I think this is

3087
03:55:05,655 --> 03:55:09,575
absolutely something that we should, um, know before taking a

3088
03:55:09,695 --> 03:55:13,695
vote of this magnitude. Um, I want to just highlight one of the

3089
03:55:13,815 --> 03:55:17,395
statements that was made from our amazing cfo. Uh,

3090
03:55:17,875 --> 03:55:21,455
our goal is to own city hall. Guess what we do?

3091
03:55:23,515 --> 03:55:27,495
so, um, let's do what we can to make right by the city hall

3092
03:55:27,735 --> 03:55:30,375
that we own. That is the people's house. Thank you.

3093
03:55:32,715 --> 03:55:35,635
and also wanna speak on for against the amendment by chairman ridley.

3094
03:55:37,135 --> 03:55:40,905
seeing none. Record votes are gonna be held on all of these. Thank you. Chairman mendelson.

3095
03:55:41,695 --> 03:55:45,465
uh, mad secretary. You can call the role. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when

3096
03:55:45,755 --> 03:55:48,795
I call your name, please state yes, if you in favor? No. If you oppose

3097
03:55:49,905 --> 03:55:53,335
council member west. No. Council member gracie? No.

3098
03:55:54,025 --> 03:55:57,865
council member johnson? No. Council member resendez? No. Council

3099
03:55:58,355 --> 03:56:02,015
member ana? Yes. Council member basel doa. Yes.

3100
03:56:02,625 --> 03:56:05,515
council member blair? No. Council member blackman?

3101
03:56:08,085 --> 03:56:11,725
yes. Council member stewart? No. No.

3102
03:56:12,355 --> 03:56:15,445
sorry. Thank you. Council member roth? Yes.

3103
03:56:16,695 --> 03:56:20,245
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member ridley. Yes.

3104
03:56:20,925 --> 03:56:24,845
deputy mayor prote willis? No. Mayor prote moreno?

3105
03:56:25,445 --> 03:56:29,405
no. Mayor johnson? No. With six.

3106
03:56:29,625 --> 03:56:33,555
voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor, we're

3107
03:56:33,905 --> 03:56:37,805
back on item three as moved by mr. West. Okay. Um, mr.

3108
03:56:38,155 --> 03:56:42,145
bazel, for what purpose? I have a motion. What's your motion? I move to

3109
03:56:42,305 --> 03:56:45,925
amend the underlying motion to include, um,

3110
03:56:47,005 --> 03:56:50,825
the price for demolition, the environmental

3111
03:56:51,365 --> 03:56:55,145
impact, and the, um, disposal

3112
03:56:55,815 --> 03:56:59,785
plan to be added to what council member west's original motion

3113
03:57:00,295 --> 03:57:04,025
asks for deliverable. It's

3114
03:57:04,315 --> 03:57:08,315
been moved and seconded. Mr. Basil dua, you're recognized for

3115
03:57:08,435 --> 03:57:12,415
five minutes on your amendment. Thank you. Um, if, if you notice this was

3116
03:57:12,695 --> 03:57:16,455
not to change the, uh, intent of the motion, um,

3117
03:57:16,775 --> 03:57:20,775
it is still a motion to deny, uh, that is on the floor. Um,

3118
03:57:21,225 --> 03:57:25,025
but in the denial that council member west has put on the floor, he's asked for

3119
03:57:25,245 --> 03:57:29,125
some specific deliverables from our city manager. I think that this is

3120
03:57:29,545 --> 03:57:33,425
my last opportunity to try to get some numbers that we have yet

3121
03:57:33,665 --> 03:57:37,605
to have included in any of, uh, the numbers that have been given to us. And that is

3122
03:57:38,035 --> 03:57:41,785
what I believe gonna be a substantial cost, which is the demolition of this, uh,

3123
03:57:42,285 --> 03:57:46,005
building. So, um, if we are going to move ahead with a denial,

3124
03:57:46,625 --> 03:57:50,435
and this doesn't change that materially, uh, but we have also asked for more

3125
03:57:50,725 --> 03:57:54,725
information to make, uh, better and sound decisions on what the next steps of this

3126
03:57:54,885 --> 03:57:58,525
process will bring. I would like it to be exhaustive of all the information.

3127
03:57:58,945 --> 03:58:02,945
and this is something that we've asked for, for several months now. So, uh, I believe that by

3128
03:58:03,165 --> 03:58:06,715
the august 26th date that, um, council

3129
03:58:07,205 --> 03:58:11,125
member west put in his motion, it should be something that, that, uh, the staff

3130
03:58:11,365 --> 03:58:15,265
could accomplish. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Cena, you recognize for five minutes on

3131
03:58:15,485 --> 03:58:19,365
the amendment by mr. Basel doa, I will support the amendment. The most

3132
03:58:19,525 --> 03:58:23,485
sustainable building is one that's already built. We're working against

3133
03:58:23,885 --> 03:58:27,805
our own carbon goals and our ca plan if we do not include

3134
03:58:28,125 --> 03:58:31,725
this information, this is of concern to me because the materials have

3135
03:58:32,445 --> 03:58:36,445
historically been dumped in district six and eight, and so we need

3136
03:58:36,645 --> 03:58:40,505
to know what the plan is for

3137
03:58:40,725 --> 03:58:42,655
the demolition and environmental assessment.

3138
03:58:45,225 --> 03:58:48,925
how do we know if we have material cost savings when we don't know the demo and environmental

3139
03:58:49,445 --> 03:58:53,245
assessment costs? Crossley tower at the university of cincinnati was estimated

3140
03:58:53,805 --> 03:58:57,665
at $47.3 million. So how can

3141
03:58:57,885 --> 03:59:01,165
I be a prudent overseer of taxpayer dollars without a vision?

3142
03:59:01,955 --> 03:59:05,885
this decision mirrors one that happens every day in district six. Sell your

3143
03:59:06,125 --> 03:59:10,045
land. But where can we move? It's happening in elm thickett, north park, west dallas

3144
03:59:10,465 --> 03:59:14,355
design district in midway hollow. I would also say that

3145
03:59:14,655 --> 03:59:18,165
costs such as demo permits, site cleanup, hauling costs, landfill,

3146
03:59:18,805 --> 03:59:22,645
landfill costs, and dumpster rental are also left out. And we don't know what those costs

3147
03:59:22,975 --> 03:59:26,805
might be. Thank you. Anyone else

3148
03:59:27,015 --> 03:59:30,435
wanna speak on for, against the amendment by mr. Basel? Do aye.

3149
03:59:32,445 --> 03:59:36,275
general menzel you recognize for five minutes. Um, I would like to ask mr.

3150
03:59:36,995 --> 03:59:40,915
baa if he would like to amend his motion or accept, um, an

3151
03:59:41,135 --> 03:59:45,135
amendment to his amendment. It'll have to go through the

3152
03:59:45,255 --> 03:59:49,185
process. Um, okay. I move to amend

3153
03:59:49,875 --> 03:59:53,775
the motion to include how long demolition would take,

3154
03:59:54,985 --> 03:59:58,475
where the, um, material would be dumped,

3155
03:59:59,695 --> 04:00:03,245
the impact on the life of the landfill, assuming it goes to mamos,

3156
04:00:03,895 --> 04:00:07,325
and the cost implication of, of that,

3157
04:00:08,595 --> 04:00:12,535
um, the exact move out costs. I would

3158
04:00:12,655 --> 04:00:14,695
like to understand why there's new furniture

3159
04:00:17,175 --> 04:00:21,125
in the plans for the new building. Instead of using

3160
04:00:21,385 --> 04:00:25,385
the furniture we already have, I'd like a parking analysis for any new

3161
04:00:25,885 --> 04:00:29,525
facility that's both for 9 1 1 and office. And

3162
04:00:30,265 --> 04:00:33,345
I would like to understand the redundancy plan for the nine one one call center

3163
04:00:35,245 --> 04:00:36,265
as part of the report back.

3164
04:00:56,385 --> 04:01:00,285
I'm trying to get a, I'm trying to figure out if the entire motion is in order. I think parts of

3165
04:01:00,445 --> 04:01:04,445
it are, possibly parts of it are not, but I want to get the parliamentarians ruling on

3166
04:01:04,605 --> 04:01:08,605
that before we even go through the process. Let's make sure it's

3167
04:01:08,805 --> 04:01:12,805
in order. Mr. Mayor, I was, I admit

3168
04:01:13,085 --> 04:01:16,965
I didn't quite get every item. Um, most of it seemed to be in order. Some of it seemed

3169
04:01:17,245 --> 04:01:21,145
to be for offsite parking garages, et cetera. But this is the

3170
04:01:21,365 --> 04:01:25,285
motion. The addition to the motion was for the disposition of the city hall

3171
04:01:25,595 --> 04:01:28,835
site, not things outside of city hall.

3172
04:01:31,415 --> 04:01:35,155
if you'd prefer, I'm happy to take off the, um, parking analysis

3173
04:01:36,735 --> 04:01:40,595
and the furniture. It's not a preference, we're just trying to make sure it's, it's within bounds. So

3174
04:01:41,255 --> 04:01:45,255
if you, I'll let you restate the motion in the way you would like to, but it's not

3175
04:01:45,475 --> 04:01:49,265
to satisfy a preference, it's just to make sure it's okay. It's

3176
04:01:49,555 --> 04:01:53,065
proper. So the question is how long I would like to have

3177
04:01:53,675 --> 04:01:57,675
reported back to us with this motion. How long demolition would

3178
04:01:57,835 --> 04:02:01,755
take, where the material would be dumped, the impact on the life

3179
04:02:01,915 --> 04:02:05,755
of the landfill and the cost implications. Um, what the

3180
04:02:05,955 --> 04:02:09,835
move out cost would be, because if we are leaving this building,

3181
04:02:10,255 --> 04:02:14,035
that's fair game. And, um, of course leaving

3182
04:02:14,395 --> 04:02:17,515
this building also means we're leaving 9 1 1 center. So I'd like to understand

3183
04:02:19,685 --> 04:02:23,565
plans for that point of order. I mean,

3184
04:02:24,345 --> 04:02:28,165
the tro stopped the discussion about the move out costs, right? I mean, that's

3185
04:02:28,405 --> 04:02:32,365
the whole problem with this situation is we can't get the move out

3186
04:02:32,565 --> 04:02:35,125
costs. So we're now trying to add that back in to this motion

3187
04:02:36,625 --> 04:02:40,545
for that reason. I think it's actually not quite properly

3188
04:02:40,755 --> 04:02:44,625
still. Okay. Then we'll take another crack at, well, we'll take the 9 1 1 center item out, but we'll do the

3189
04:02:45,485 --> 04:02:49,145
how long demo will take, where it'll be dumped, the impact on the landfill.

3190
04:02:51,465 --> 04:02:55,185
do you believe those are all in order? Sorry.

3191
04:02:55,595 --> 04:02:58,925
say, say what's remaining in the motion and then I'll let the department chair sure.

3192
04:02:59,995 --> 04:03:03,735
how long demolition will take, where the material will be dumped,

3193
04:03:04,795 --> 04:03:08,455
the impact on the life of the landfill and the cost implications to the landfill.

3194
04:03:14,355 --> 04:03:18,195
that's, that's actually an order. So is there a second for that? Second? It's

3195
04:03:18,485 --> 04:03:22,265
been moved and seconded. You reckon for five minutes on your amendment to the amendment by basel, mr.

3196
04:03:22,535 --> 04:03:26,465
basil doa. Okay. So we're on an amendment to the amendment. We can have two pending at, at

3197
04:03:26,705 --> 04:03:30,685
any given time. So we're maxed out on amendments right now. We cognize for five minutes, chairwoman. Sure.

3198
04:03:30,955 --> 04:03:34,645
it's as simple as understanding what all the information is. If you're gonna take

3199
04:03:35,005 --> 04:03:38,125
down this giant building with all the concrete and steel,

3200
04:03:39,035 --> 04:03:42,925
it's gotta go somewhere. I don't know if you guys have visited the landfill, but if

3201
04:03:43,045 --> 04:03:47,035
you haven't, you should. Um, there's limited space,

3202
04:03:47,455 --> 04:03:50,885
limited years. It's very, very costly to,

3203
04:03:51,485 --> 04:03:55,425
um, close a landfill and open a new one. And by the way, you know where

3204
04:03:55,545 --> 04:03:59,395
the new one's planned to be, right next door. So,

3205
04:04:00,155 --> 04:04:04,055
um, all the folks who are advocating for southern dallas as a good

3206
04:04:04,365 --> 04:04:08,335
move of tearing down this building, this building will be closer to you than

3207
04:04:08,535 --> 04:04:09,935
you can imagine. Thank you.

3208
04:04:17,535 --> 04:04:20,755
mr. Ba. Do you recognized for five minutes on the amendment to the amendment?

3209
04:04:21,565 --> 04:04:25,495
thank you. I just to give clarification, I will support this. Uh,

3210
04:04:25,715 --> 04:04:29,065
but I believe it to be somewhat redundant. This is, uh, essentially I think you, you articulated

3211
04:04:29,805 --> 04:04:33,415
maybe clearer, but that was what I, I was intending, um,

3212
04:04:33,895 --> 04:04:37,075
uh, on what it was that I asked for. So I guess with more specificity,

3213
04:04:37,975 --> 04:04:41,495
I'm fine with supporting this. Um, because my intent was

3214
04:04:42,025 --> 04:04:45,855
with I said disposal plan. I would hope that we would be able to know, uh,

3215
04:04:46,095 --> 04:04:49,855
how we're going to accomplish, um, a demolition of this scale. Um,

3216
04:04:50,455 --> 04:04:53,975
and, and I believe that where we would put, uh, the,

3217
04:04:54,495 --> 04:04:58,375
uh, debris is, is absolutely a part of that. Um,

3218
04:04:58,775 --> 04:05:02,735
and so it was beyond just the cost of, uh, so I, I guess to

3219
04:05:03,145 --> 04:05:06,985
provide clarity, I'm fine to support this, but just for the body, that

3220
04:05:07,275 --> 04:05:11,075
was my intent, um, as well, uh, with the, uh, original amendment

3221
04:05:11,415 --> 04:05:15,375
on the floor. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Ms. Ana, you recognize for five minutes on the amendment to

3222
04:05:15,595 --> 04:05:19,595
the amendment. Um, I would definitely be supporting, um, in looking

3223
04:05:19,975 --> 04:05:23,955
at just other articles that I found online. So there's probably an estimated 10,567

3224
04:05:26,175 --> 04:05:29,995
trucks that may end up taking debris. Usually concrete

3225
04:05:30,375 --> 04:05:34,215
is either recycled or sent to the landfill. That includes the

3226
04:05:34,795 --> 04:05:38,595
rebar and, um, the other materials. And the majority of those,

3227
04:05:39,055 --> 04:05:42,655
um, recycle for concretes are located in district six and

3228
04:05:43,075 --> 04:05:46,795
district eight. So I feel that this is extremely important for my district,

3229
04:05:47,535 --> 04:05:51,205
um, especially with all of the environmental issues that we have. Thank

3230
04:05:51,555 --> 04:05:55,365
you, ms. Blackman, you recognize for

3231
04:05:55,565 --> 04:05:59,355
five minutes on the amendment to the amendment. Um, thank

3232
04:05:59,595 --> 04:06:03,555
you. My question is related to permitting and, uh, will that

3233
04:06:03,715 --> 04:06:07,585
be also included in the, uh, cost

3234
04:06:08,195 --> 04:06:11,975
estimate and the plan as well for permitting? For di uh, for disposition of

3235
04:06:12,255 --> 04:06:12,755
the concrete?

3236
04:06:16,435 --> 04:06:20,425
when you go through tceq, like, you know, when we dredge right? Rock lake, all that stuff has

3237
04:06:20,645 --> 04:06:23,925
to be basically, um, cleared from tceq

3238
04:06:24,825 --> 04:06:27,005
and there's uh, there's fees that go with it

3239
04:06:30,195 --> 04:06:33,525
and I'm just wanting clarity to know that that will be in the, the plan.

3240
04:06:44,745 --> 04:06:48,495
thank you for the question. Councilwoman, uh, blackman? Um, I'm not a demolition

3241
04:06:49,015 --> 04:06:52,975
expert, neither is anyone on my team. That would be part of what we would

3242
04:06:53,355 --> 04:06:57,295
be asking for, and it would be in our scope. Okay. Just wanted

3243
04:06:57,535 --> 04:07:00,455
to make sure that it was not overlooked. Thank you.

3244
04:07:07,495 --> 04:07:11,355
was that all ms. Blackman then mr. Roth, you recognized for five

3245
04:07:11,515 --> 04:07:15,305
minutes on the amendment to the amendment. Uh, thank you. Um, I,

3246
04:07:15,535 --> 04:07:19,265
I'll support, I would like to support the, the amendment. The amendment.

3247
04:07:19,845 --> 04:07:23,725
um, I do think it's critical that we do understand the,

3248
04:07:24,085 --> 04:07:28,025
the overall impact and cost associated with any kind of

3249
04:07:28,145 --> 04:07:32,145
a dramatic, um, uh, action that would

3250
04:07:32,345 --> 04:07:35,925
be taken in the event that, that this, uh, proceeds. And,

3251
04:07:36,485 --> 04:07:40,365
and I, I'm really distressed over the fact that, uh, we

3252
04:07:40,585 --> 04:07:43,765
are not, uh, considering the, the lesser impact

3253
04:07:44,805 --> 04:07:47,725
of a phased in, uh, potential, um,

3254
04:07:49,125 --> 04:07:52,965
repair and, and thoughtful, uh, preservation of this, of

3255
04:07:53,185 --> 04:07:56,825
this property. Uh, but, and so as a result, I am going to support,

3256
04:07:57,845 --> 04:08:01,825
uh, the amendment to the amendment. Thank you. Anyone else wishes to

3257
04:08:02,025 --> 04:08:05,965
be on for, against the amendment? To the amendment? Seeing none. Record

3258
04:08:06,205 --> 04:08:10,175
votes are being held on everything. So madam secretary, please call the rule. Thank

3259
04:08:10,525 --> 04:08:14,165
you, mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes, if you in favor? No. If you oppose

3260
04:08:15,435 --> 04:08:19,085
council member west. No. Council member gracie?

3261
04:08:19,585 --> 04:08:23,505
no. Council member johnson? No. Council member resendez? Yes.

3262
04:08:25,645 --> 04:08:29,395
council member kaena? Yes. Council member basil doa?

3263
04:08:29,795 --> 04:08:33,495
yes. Council member blair. Council member blackman?

3264
04:08:35,075 --> 04:08:39,015
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member

3265
04:08:39,325 --> 04:08:43,125
roth? Yes. Council member mendelson? Yes.

3266
04:08:44,425 --> 04:08:48,385
council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem willis?

3267
04:08:49,085 --> 04:08:52,925
no. Mayor prote moreno? No.

3268
04:08:53,635 --> 04:08:55,285
mayor johnson? No.

3269
04:08:59,735 --> 04:09:02,785
with seven voting in favor. Eight. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor,

3270
04:09:04,475 --> 04:09:08,275
we're back on the amendment by mr. Basil dua. Chairwoman mendelsohn,

3271
04:09:08,715 --> 04:09:12,155
you're recognized for three minutes. I'd like to move to amend the amendment

3272
04:09:12,735 --> 04:09:16,725
to include, um, a reported, estimated number of

3273
04:09:16,925 --> 04:09:20,725
trucks that would be used to carry away the materials and the impact

3274
04:09:21,145 --> 04:09:21,485
on the roadway.

3275
04:09:32,315 --> 04:09:36,085
that that is a, that is a, what I would consider to be a dilatory motion that,

3276
04:09:36,595 --> 04:09:40,265
that we've just addressed through the last amendment. This very issue. So

3277
04:09:41,445 --> 04:09:45,425
I don't believe there was anything about the roadway in my last amendment. And, um,

3278
04:09:45,745 --> 04:09:49,305
it wasn't about the number of trucks, it was about the, it was about the demolition

3279
04:09:49,825 --> 04:09:53,755
process and the plan and the demolition. Was it not his motion, which

3280
04:09:54,145 --> 04:09:58,055
I don't believe we've considered yet, was about the demolition plan. Mine

3281
04:09:58,365 --> 04:10:02,285
was specifically how long it would take and where it would be dumped and

3282
04:10:02,605 --> 04:10:06,425
the, um, cost implication of the landfill. So this, this particular amendment

3283
04:10:06,965 --> 04:10:10,905
is different. In what way? From the one, this one is the number of trucks it would take

3284
04:10:11,285 --> 04:10:14,425
to carry away the material and the impact on the roadway.

3285
04:10:18,295 --> 04:10:22,025
okay, we'll let this one go. But what I mean by donator

3286
04:10:22,385 --> 04:10:26,305
is when, if we're taking the same subject matter, I'm familiar with subject, the word subject matter. Thank you. Subject matter. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

3287
04:10:26,665 --> 04:10:30,665
actually the rulings aren't for you. They're for the whole body. So subject matter. Okay,

3288
04:10:30,825 --> 04:10:34,705
subject. That's what we're doing. We're not going to have the same amendments addressing

3289
04:10:35,225 --> 04:10:39,145
the same topics over and over again. So at some point

3290
04:10:39,775 --> 04:10:43,715
they're gonna become out of order. So you recognize for if

3291
04:10:43,915 --> 04:10:46,235
it's seconded for five minutes, you recognize for five minutes.

3292
04:10:49,125 --> 04:10:52,835
well, our residents have said on survey

3293
04:10:53,305 --> 04:10:56,755
after survey, their number one priority is public safety

3294
04:10:57,515 --> 04:11:01,325
and their streets. And when we're talking about, um, council

3295
04:11:01,815 --> 04:11:05,415
member ena said, 10,000 trucks. I've actually seen it with a much higher number.

3296
04:11:06,635 --> 04:11:10,605
but these are very big trucks full of concrete and rebar. They're

3297
04:11:11,095 --> 04:11:14,765
very heavy and they damage the roadway. I've seen this firsthand

3298
04:11:15,375 --> 04:11:19,315
with the silver line. We have streets that were in great condition, that now

3299
04:11:19,535 --> 04:11:23,495
we have to have a roadway plan on how we're gonna fix. So I

3300
04:11:24,095 --> 04:11:26,295
frequently hear that the streets are bad everywhere,

3301
04:11:28,115 --> 04:11:32,005
but can you imagine what they're gonna be from here down to macombs?

3302
04:11:32,725 --> 04:11:36,415
very bad. And I don't think that's a good idea,

3303
04:11:37,355 --> 04:11:41,055
but I definitely wanna know what is that impact? How many are we actually talking about?

3304
04:11:41,675 --> 04:11:45,675
and what is the cost to repair those roads so that our

3305
04:11:46,095 --> 04:11:49,495
residents aren't suffering? So I'd like to know this information.

3306
04:11:50,335 --> 04:11:54,215
I think it's gonna be important for a decision. So I hope that you will also want

3307
04:11:54,455 --> 04:11:58,345
to know this. Thank you, ms. Cade. You recognize for five minutes

3308
04:11:58,505 --> 04:12:02,485
on the amendment to the amendment, I will support the, um, motion, um,

3309
04:12:02,845 --> 04:12:05,745
in the area where some of these companies are located.

3310
04:12:06,885 --> 04:12:09,925
the road has not been made it onto any bonds and

3311
04:12:11,075 --> 04:12:15,005
they are in severe need of repair. We have parkland that is also up in that area.

3312
04:12:15,705 --> 04:12:19,645
so I would definitely support this. So if we do need to include this in a future bond and repair

3313
04:12:19,965 --> 04:12:23,915
those roads. Thank you mr.

3314
04:12:24,225 --> 04:12:27,375
bazel. Do, you're recognized for five minutes on the amendment to your amendment.

3315
04:12:28,705 --> 04:12:32,425
thank you, mayor. Um, I will, uh, second

3316
04:12:32,915 --> 04:12:36,565
what our city manager mentioned. And I'm, I'm also not a demolition

3317
04:12:37,085 --> 04:12:40,195
expert. And, um, I, I think that I've seen several,

3318
04:12:41,325 --> 04:12:45,195
I what I would say worst case scenarios or, or just,

3319
04:12:46,105 --> 04:12:49,845
um, hypotheticals of what a

3320
04:12:50,125 --> 04:12:54,125
demolition of this scale would look like. And I, I truly do not know what that would

3321
04:12:54,285 --> 04:12:58,235
look like. So I'm asking for genuine information, uh, that does

3322
04:12:58,545 --> 04:13:02,525
not materially change the outcome of what it is that there's

3323
04:13:02,845 --> 04:13:05,865
a clear majority on this council to do. Uh, for

3324
04:13:06,905 --> 04:13:10,515
the, the denial of council members to seek

3325
04:13:11,075 --> 04:13:14,865
more information that doesn't change the outcome of

3326
04:13:15,085 --> 04:13:19,005
what you as a council member are voting for. To me, just speaks to the

3327
04:13:19,125 --> 04:13:22,805
nature of the divisiveness that this issue has ensued on us.

3328
04:13:23,585 --> 04:13:27,525
uh, we, uh, I I'm, I, I know I'm gonna take an l

3329
04:13:27,645 --> 04:13:31,115
today 'cause I think it's pretty clear where there's nine

3330
04:13:31,945 --> 04:13:35,545
in support of doing what is going to be done. But

3331
04:13:36,345 --> 04:13:40,205
as we consider that, I would hope that we would have enough professionalism to give

3332
04:13:40,405 --> 04:13:44,165
a courtesy to each other as colleagues to get the necessary information

3333
04:13:44,725 --> 04:13:48,685
that we believe we need to answer questions that our constituents have come forward

3334
04:13:48,885 --> 04:13:52,725
with. I want to reiterate that this motion, in addition,

3335
04:13:52,995 --> 04:13:56,765
this amendment in addition to the motion, I mean the, uh, amendment

3336
04:13:57,125 --> 04:14:00,945
that I have on the floor, that this has amended both, um,

3337
04:14:01,855 --> 04:14:05,705
offer more information. That's all I'm asking for. And

3338
04:14:05,925 --> 04:14:09,905
it doesn't delay this and it doesn't give it. So I do believe that this is, uh,

3339
04:14:10,185 --> 04:14:14,085
uh, is a part of that horror story that I heard of what this

3340
04:14:14,365 --> 04:14:17,925
could be, uh, a demolition of this scale. And so I would think that it's

3341
04:14:18,645 --> 04:14:22,165
valuable information for us to learn. It does nothing to the ability

3342
04:14:22,665 --> 04:14:26,385
to, uh, continue to push this forward at the rapid pace that, uh,

3343
04:14:26,865 --> 04:14:30,745
my colleagues are already willing to do. But I hope that doesn't mean that we're gonna stifle

3344
04:14:31,165 --> 04:14:34,085
information from coming to, uh, the, the body. Thank you.

3345
04:14:36,655 --> 04:14:39,555
anyone else wishing to speak on for against the amendment to the amendment?

3346
04:14:41,415 --> 04:14:45,285
seeing none. Madam secretary, please call the roll. Thank you mr. Mayor,

3347
04:14:46,625 --> 04:14:50,385
when I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west.

3348
04:14:51,255 --> 04:14:55,095
no. Council member gracie? No. Council member johnson? No.

3349
04:14:55,385 --> 04:14:59,105
council member resendez? No. Council member kaena? Yes. Council

3350
04:14:59,595 --> 04:15:02,235
member basel doa. Yes. Council member blair?

3351
04:15:03,655 --> 04:15:04,995
no. Council member blackman

3352
04:15:08,215 --> 04:15:11,005
is absent when vote taken. Council member stewart?

3353
04:15:12,225 --> 04:15:15,865
no. Council member roth? Yes.

3354
04:15:16,955 --> 04:15:20,865
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member ridley? Yes. Deputy

3355
04:15:21,295 --> 04:15:24,825
mayor pro tem willis? No. Mayor prote moreno?

3356
04:15:25,385 --> 04:15:27,665
no. Mayor johnson? No.

3357
04:15:32,055 --> 04:15:35,905
with five voting in favor. Nine opposed? One absent vote.

3358
04:15:36,145 --> 04:15:39,905
taken. The motion fails. Mr. Mayor, we're back on the amendment

3359
04:15:40,205 --> 04:15:43,545
by mr. Basil dua. Anyone else wishing to speak on for against the amendment?

3360
04:15:44,605 --> 04:15:47,315
ms. Cini recognized four, three minutes.

3361
04:15:48,875 --> 04:15:52,635
I just wanna thank um, council member basil dua for making the motion.

3362
04:15:54,395 --> 04:15:58,355
district six has dealt with environmental racism for many,

3363
04:15:58,625 --> 04:16:02,615
many years. The president had to declare

3364
04:16:03,615 --> 04:16:06,725
alleged melter a fun site.

3365
04:16:08,315 --> 04:16:11,215
and so environmental issues are near and dear

3366
04:16:12,955 --> 04:16:16,915
to me. It's something that I will fight to fight for, for

3367
04:16:17,135 --> 04:16:19,655
my community because we've had to endure a lot.

3368
04:16:21,395 --> 04:16:23,615
and so this is of great concern to me.

3369
04:16:25,545 --> 04:16:29,185
we have a lot of, um, industrial area in

3370
04:16:29,605 --> 04:16:33,475
district six because of the zoning that has been passed that was also

3371
04:16:33,865 --> 04:16:37,485
in part of environmental racism. And so I plead with you

3372
04:16:38,065 --> 04:16:41,995
to vote for this amendment for the good of

3373
04:16:42,195 --> 04:16:45,915
west dallas for the good of district six. Thank you

3374
04:16:47,455 --> 04:16:51,165
joe mendelson. Thank you. You recognized for three minutes. Thank

3375
04:16:51,515 --> 04:16:55,355
you. Well, I can't imagine anybody's gonna vote against this because who wouldn't

3376
04:16:55,795 --> 04:16:59,585
want to have more information about the demolition? Like

3377
04:16:59,875 --> 04:17:03,745
even if you want to, to, to knock this building down,

3378
04:17:04,575 --> 04:17:07,875
why wouldn't you want more information? That doesn't even make sense.

3379
04:17:09,485 --> 04:17:13,395
there was a point where the city council unanimously me included,

3380
04:17:14,125 --> 04:17:18,075
voted for a ccap 'cause we cared about the environment. This is exactly

3381
04:17:18,575 --> 04:17:22,435
the kind of environmental thing that I cared about. Meaning there will

3382
04:17:22,675 --> 04:17:26,035
be debris in the air, we're all gonna breathe it.

3383
04:17:26,815 --> 04:17:30,445
so this isn't like some conspiracy kind of environmental stuff

3384
04:17:30,905 --> 04:17:34,065
that sometimes we hear about or some meaningless

3385
04:17:35,155 --> 04:17:37,735
certificate program that we're promoting and paying ads for.

3386
04:17:39,975 --> 04:17:43,655
no, this is actually how people will breathe and

3387
04:17:44,065 --> 04:17:48,015
what the impact is. Why would you not wanna know more information? Why

3388
04:17:48,235 --> 04:17:51,815
would you not support this? It doesn't make any sense. So

3389
04:17:52,625 --> 04:17:56,025
when you see people who regularly say, well I have to support something

3390
04:17:56,635 --> 04:17:59,875
like counting the trees, I'm sorry, tree inventory

3391
04:18:00,895 --> 04:18:04,715
for $6.3 million. But then are voting against getting more

3392
04:18:04,995 --> 04:18:08,995
information about what'll happen in the very real instance of what

3393
04:18:09,285 --> 04:18:13,195
if this building is taken down that doesn't make sense? And

3394
04:18:13,415 --> 04:18:17,335
maybe it's just a message that we have the votes to do whatever we want. If that's

3395
04:18:17,615 --> 04:18:21,615
the message, shame on you for not getting all the information and letting the public know it.

3396
04:18:21,945 --> 04:18:25,835
thank you mr. Bazel. Do you recognize for three minutes on

3397
04:18:26,055 --> 04:18:30,015
your amendment? Thank you mayor. Um, I would also like to thank

3398
04:18:30,295 --> 04:18:34,295
you, um, council member. Ena, I think that you and I share a lot

3399
04:18:34,415 --> 04:18:38,375
of the same, um, issues that have plagued our communities for

3400
04:18:38,535 --> 04:18:42,535
a long time. I, uh, truly do, um, believe that

3401
04:18:42,695 --> 04:18:46,615
this is some very I important information for us

3402
04:18:46,755 --> 04:18:50,555
to gather. Again, it doesn't change what, uh, the outcome is, but

3403
04:18:50,815 --> 04:18:54,675
I I, I do want to know, um, to council member mendelssohn's point, you

3404
04:18:54,895 --> 04:18:58,535
know, one of the emails that we all received from someone who does have credentials

3405
04:18:59,195 --> 04:19:02,855
of being an expert in this field, um, gave a layout of what he

3406
04:19:03,335 --> 04:19:07,295
believed to be, um, uh, uh, the demolition of this

3407
04:19:07,455 --> 04:19:10,955
site. And I'm curious because we haven't gotten any information at all

3408
04:19:11,835 --> 04:19:15,655
on it. Um, how accurate that was. Uh, one of, of the lines

3409
04:19:16,115 --> 04:19:20,015
in particular stood out to me and is one of the reasons why I could feel the

3410
04:19:20,215 --> 04:19:23,895
emotion from my colleague in district six. And one of the reasons why environmental

3411
04:19:24,595 --> 04:19:28,415
impact, um, specifically on brown and black communities is something that is passionate,

3412
04:19:29,195 --> 04:19:33,195
uh, that I'm passionate about as well. And that line said that the

3413
04:19:33,635 --> 04:19:37,575
um, debris and the particulate matter that would come

3414
04:19:37,815 --> 04:19:41,375
from a demo of this size and scale would be the equivalent

3415
04:19:41,935 --> 04:19:45,675
of opening a, uh, concrete batch plant in the center of

3416
04:19:46,135 --> 04:19:50,135
downtown dallas. So I'm telling you right now that if this does not materially

3417
04:19:50,595 --> 04:19:54,495
change whether or not this building is coming down, if the wheel is already

3418
04:19:54,775 --> 04:19:58,735
there, I think that one thing we can agree to on both sides

3419
04:19:59,055 --> 04:20:02,925
of this issue, including you all in the green shirts that say yes to downtown, it's

3420
04:20:03,215 --> 04:20:06,995
not saying yes to downtown and not being informed on what we're going to do to impact

3421
04:20:07,755 --> 04:20:11,735
the businesses that are here downtown. So we would need to know

3422
04:20:12,135 --> 04:20:16,135
a little bit more information and I think that that scale is gonna be very helpful. So we

3423
04:20:16,295 --> 04:20:20,145
know how to proceed in the next phase of this process. Um, again,

3424
04:20:20,975 --> 04:20:24,975
I I would, I would hope that this is something, uh, that is just looked at as an information

3425
04:20:25,775 --> 04:20:29,655
exercise and would not be opposed out of spite or politics. Thank you mr.

3426
04:20:29,855 --> 04:20:33,815
mayor. Chairman johnson, you

3427
04:20:34,275 --> 04:20:38,245
recognize for five minutes on the amendment by mr. Basel. Doa. Thank

3428
04:20:38,595 --> 04:20:41,695
you mr. Mayor. I'll take 30 seconds. Um,

3429
04:20:42,785 --> 04:20:46,395
city manager is demolition going on for kay bailey hutchins center? Center right now?

3430
04:20:50,505 --> 04:20:54,485
yes. A portion of the convention center is currently, um, demolition is currently

3431
04:20:55,005 --> 04:20:58,765
underway. Okay. I was just asking 'cause it's downtown and I don't

3432
04:20:59,085 --> 04:21:02,885
remember any of my colleagues asking the same questions. Point of order. Mr. Mayor, what relevance does

3433
04:21:03,435 --> 04:21:06,965
that have to the amendment on the floor? We're talking about demolition,

3434
04:21:08,785 --> 04:21:12,665
aren't we? Yes, totally different building it. I'm

3435
04:21:12,885 --> 04:21:16,415
gonna overrule the point of order that, that's all I have to say. Mr. Mayor.

3436
04:21:16,935 --> 04:21:20,645
demolition is underway right now for kay bailey hutchinson, and I don't remember any of my colleagues

3437
04:21:21,275 --> 04:21:25,065
have any same questions. Thank you. Chairwoman men. Uh,

3438
04:21:25,765 --> 04:21:29,485
actually yeah, we're the same round. So, uh, chairwoman mendelson

3439
04:21:29,845 --> 04:21:33,805
you recognize for one minute. Well, I'll just add this one item that came to mind,

3440
04:21:34,175 --> 04:21:37,845
which is this. We've heard a whole lot of questions about asbestos

3441
04:21:39,265 --> 04:21:43,145
and the asbestos questions have been about the environment and

3442
04:21:43,365 --> 04:21:47,205
about people's health. And right now we're only asking for more

3443
04:21:47,485 --> 04:21:51,205
information about the environment and people's health. Thank you

3444
04:21:52,425 --> 04:21:56,305
ms. Kadana. You recognize for one minute this building is

3445
04:21:56,525 --> 04:22:00,345
different than the convention center. The material and the way it's built is

3446
04:22:00,845 --> 04:22:04,685
extremely different. The cost is

3447
04:22:04,905 --> 04:22:08,695
different. We have not torn down a building like this and

3448
04:22:08,915 --> 04:22:12,735
the materials will most likely end up in district six

3449
04:22:13,135 --> 04:22:16,595
or district eight because that's where the concrete crushing companies are.

3450
04:22:17,765 --> 04:22:20,305
and so I don't think that it's an apples to apples comparison

3451
04:22:22,255 --> 04:22:25,935
for both of these buildings. That's all. Thank you mr.

3452
04:22:26,325 --> 04:22:30,235
bazel dooley. You recognize for one minute on your amendment? Thank you, mayor. It's not apples

3453
04:22:30,635 --> 04:22:34,035
to apples. We haven't been dealing with that now for months. In fact,

3454
04:22:34,655 --> 04:22:37,915
uh, I think that it's very rich to hear from the same source

3455
04:22:39,225 --> 04:22:43,075
such horror stories of what would happen to this building from the asbestos

3456
04:22:43,975 --> 04:22:47,835
and the remediation and what this is going to do to all of the people in the building.

3457
04:22:48,095 --> 04:22:52,035
and we really care about what's happened because of the experience that we've seen

3458
04:22:52,155 --> 04:22:56,075
with the disd schools. But now all of a sudden we're just gonna tear the

3459
04:22:56,195 --> 04:22:59,955
whole building down and we're gonna expose the asbestos to the general public and we don't care about it anymore.

3460
04:23:01,695 --> 04:23:05,525
thank you mr. Mayor. Anyone else wants to speak on

3461
04:23:05,725 --> 04:23:09,625
for against the amendment by mr. Basil duo? Madam secretary, please

3462
04:23:10,075 --> 04:23:13,945
call the roll. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes if you in

3463
04:23:14,165 --> 04:23:18,165
favor? No. If you oppose. Council member west. No. Council member gracie?

3464
04:23:18,555 --> 04:23:22,465
nope. Council member johnson? No. Council member resendez? Yes.

3465
04:23:23,235 --> 04:23:27,065
council member ena? Yes. Council member basel doa. Yes.

3466
04:23:27,875 --> 04:23:30,765
council member blair? No. Council member blackman?

3467
04:23:32,105 --> 04:23:35,835
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth?

3468
04:23:37,025 --> 04:23:40,425
yes. Council member mendelson? Yes. Council member ridley?

3469
04:23:41,065 --> 04:23:44,985
yes. Deputy mayor pro timm willis? No. Mayor pro

3470
04:23:45,205 --> 04:23:47,365
timm moreno? No. Mayor johnson?

3471
04:23:49,665 --> 04:23:53,635
no. Wow. Would seven

3472
04:23:53,915 --> 04:23:56,405
voting in favor? Eight. A. Opposed? The motion fails, mr. Mayor.

3473
04:23:59,105 --> 04:24:02,095
okay, we're back on the original motion by

3474
04:24:03,285 --> 04:24:07,165
chairman west. Anyone else wishing to speak on for or against the motion

3475
04:24:07,345 --> 04:24:11,075
by mr. West? Seeing none, madam

3476
04:24:11,515 --> 04:24:15,435
secretary, please call the roll. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please

3477
04:24:15,715 --> 04:24:19,115
state yes. If you're in favor. No. If you're opposed. Council member west.

3478
04:24:20,415 --> 04:24:23,995
yes. Council member gracie? Yes. Council member johnson?

3479
04:24:24,735 --> 04:24:28,005
yes. Council member resendez? Yes. Council member kaena?

3480
04:24:28,815 --> 04:24:32,475
no. Council member basel doa. No. Council member

3481
04:24:33,035 --> 04:24:37,025
blair? Yes. Council member blackman? No. Council

3482
04:24:37,515 --> 04:24:39,985
member stewart? Yes. Council member roth?

3483
04:24:41,735 --> 04:24:45,575
no. Council member mendelson? No. Council member ridley

3484
04:24:46,735 --> 04:24:50,325
deputy mayor pro tem willis? Yes. Mayor

3485
04:24:50,765 --> 04:24:53,535
prote moreno. Yes. Mayor johnson? Yes.

3486
04:24:58,995 --> 04:25:02,845
with nine voting in favor. Six. Opposed? The motion passes

3487
04:25:03,385 --> 04:25:06,775
mr. Mayor. Okay. The time is 7:46 pm

3488
04:25:08,385 --> 04:25:10,845
and the special call meeting of the city council is adjourned.

3489
04:25:12,705 --> 04:25:15,195
it's 7:46 pm and the regular,

3490
04:25:16,765 --> 04:25:20,465
we need to switch over. So we'll wait to declare the time it starts,

3491
04:25:20,885 --> 04:25:24,205
but we have a technical switchover to go back to the regular voting

3492
04:25:24,925 --> 04:25:25,345
agenda meeting.