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Okay, I am told that we don't have our introductory video this morning, so we're gonna

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go right into the meeting. So good morning. Uh, we do have a quorum. Today's

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wednesday, june 17th, 2026 times

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8:22 am and I called this special call meeting of

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the dallas city council. This webinar is being transcribed and

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summarized. We'll give it just a minute to make sure the webex is

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good, I'm told. So now, madam secretary, we can go into our,

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the folks who have signed up for open microphone for the special call

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meeting. Thank you, mr. Mayor. As you stated, there are several

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individuals who have signed up to speak on agenda items one and two.

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I'll call those speakers in groups. Speakers, when I call your name,

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I ask that you come forward and have a seat on the first three rows

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of this intersection and virtual speakers. Um, I ask that

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you have your video and audio ready. Also, speakers, you'll be given one

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minute to speak. Greg evans,

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mark nunley, john gates, rick purdue,

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jennifer scripps, trey black, robert walters,

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jose avila, son saeed bruce or

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melissa lara roland parrish, cynthia michaels,

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david voss and jessica stewart liny. Greg evans.

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greg evans. Greg

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evans. It's not. Thank you. Be given. One minute. You may begin.

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my name is greg evans. I live at 9 0 3 west greenbrier lane and

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I'm a district one resident. My grandfather, wj evans, was a civic

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leader and a vice president of the federal reserve bank of dallas. His name

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is in the 1921 dedication program of their landmark building on

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south akron street. My family has been invested in this city's future

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for over a century, and that is exactly why I'm here today. Mayor,

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council members and staff, thank you for the opportunity to speak. When

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citizens were asked to pass the bonds that built this landmark, they

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were told that would serve dallas for generations to come. They trusted that promise

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and we are one generation in, and now we're being told to see this building as an

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albatross. This council has repeatedly pulled city hall funding from bond

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packages most recently in 2024 when $28 million were

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removed and reallocated councilman west himself acknowledged last

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november that many of whom mayor are still serving to for what purpose?

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I beg your pardon. Calling council members out by name.

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our rules don't allow for references to count. We're gonna stop your time,

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which is almost over, but just for everyone's purpose, um, when we,

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uh, you can refer to a district or the representative from a district, but not the actual

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council member's name. It's just a, a rule. Understood. My apologies.

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last november. Um, that's your time. This city council made that choice.

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that's my time. Thank you. Thank you. Mark nunley.

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thank you mayor. Members of the council. Uh, my name is mark nunley and

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I'm a city of dallas proud resident. I'm a cpa and

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I've spent 45 years reading financial statements, building budget, and stress tax

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testing projections. Numbers are my language. The case for redeveloping

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city hall is as clear as anything I've ever seen. For months, the

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opposition has demanded a real apples to apples comparison. So did

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I but your own city. Cfo said it on the record last week. That restraining

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order filed last week by city council members is preventing the city manager

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from obtaining those relocation cost numbers. The very people demanding

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a comparison are the ones legally blocking it. These eyes on

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the agenda today give the city manager the authority to negotiate with

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property owners so we can finally get those numbers. A vote no today does

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not protect the process. It continues to obstruct it. Thank you,

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john gates. Uh,

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good morning, mr. Mayor and council members. My name is john gates and I currently serve as

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executive chair at jll. Uh, but I'm here today as a native dallas site

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and someone who spent their entire career, uh, focused on all aspects of commercial real

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estate and as chair of the assistance council. So today, this council

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is responsibility to make decisions about the long-term viability and success of our

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downtown. The cbd has been declining for some time, and some recent announcements

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really underscore the challenges that we do face. During my time

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as a chair of the assistance council, we've worked diligently, uh, on the opportunities

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that our central business district holds. We've partnered with downtown dallas inc. Housing

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forward, uh, the police department, and of course the city to kick off and

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support the safe and the city initiative, which is designed to increase the safety

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for both our workforce and residents. And I really believe in the potential of these efforts

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and I, I think we're clearly seeing, uh, progress. So to build on that momentum, we need to be visionaries

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and take steps to transform the future of what we currently call downtown.

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so I urge each, each of you to take this opportunity. That's your time and vote yes on

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questions one and two. Thank you. Thank you rick perdue.

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good morning. Morning mayor and council members. My name is rick perdue. I'm a media past

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chairman of the real estate council, known as trek an organization of 2000 members

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across, uh, 600 member companies. Uh, also live here right in

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dallas and work here. City of dallas is at the center of the most thriving region in the country,

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yet our downtown cores in decline. We've all seen the recent announcements of

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at and t neiman marcus comeric and on and on cities we compete with every

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day. Like charlotte and nashville have created flourishing urban cores with great connectivity,

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and there's no reason that a city as great as dallas should not have a that same energized,

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thriving downtown. With this in mind, we have an incredible opportunity ahead of us and it

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starts to, with today's agenda items, I encourage you to support both moving

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city hall staff out and emergency operations out. As the consultants reports

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have made clear significant building systems, operational life safety

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challenges, the hundreds of million dollars could be spent elsewhere and better used.

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uh, downtown dallas has all the components necessary for success if we can make

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this happen. So please support agenda items and let's, uh, create the

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downtown we've imagined. Thank you jennifer scripps.

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good morning mayor and city council. I'm jennifer scripps, president and ceo of

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downtown dallas, inc. Supporting my fifa ambassador shirt because I'll be working in the

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parks this afternoon with our team. I'm also here first of all, in

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support of both items before you, nobody knows better than you do. The budgetary

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pressures being faced with the property tax revenue cap, rising pension and public safety

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costs and decade of underfunded facilities across the city in

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your districts. We know this is hard, but we trust your leadership to weigh it

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carefully. Don't wait. Please authorize these motions to plan

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for the future. Your own briefings in recent weeks made the choice clear.

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repairing this building and staying at city hall is at minimum hundreds

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of millions of dollars in a commitment money that would direct completely di

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compete directly with those core services and quality of life amenities

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across the city. Leaving city hall for a new downtown location is the

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responsible path, and these agreements simply let the city manager and her team do the due diligence

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to get it right. I urge you to support these items. Thank you so much.

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thank you. Trey black.

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good morning, mr. Mayor. Counsel. My name is trey black, ceo

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of on target supplies and logistics. And downtown is something that's personal to me.

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my grandfather actually worked as a doorman at the baker hotel across the

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street where the, uh, at and t headquarters is currently.

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and he spent his days opening doors for power people who were

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helping shape the future of our city. And he wanted his kids to be a part of those rooms

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and they eventually were. So dallas gave my family an opportunity,

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uh, that change generations. That's why I care so deeply about the

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future of downtown and the decisions we're making today.

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the reality is the vote before you is not about choosing a site or approving

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a relocation. It's about gathering information to make an informed decision

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to move our city forward. Major decisions involving

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taxpayer dollars deserve due diligence and facts. If dallas wants answers,

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let's do the work necessary to go get 'em. Please continue this process.

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that's your time. Gather information, vote for the two items on the agenda. Thank

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you. Thank you robert walters.

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good morning counsel. Thank you for hearing from us. Um,

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I respectfully urge you to vote for agenda items one

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and two. Uh, last week and over the past months, you've asked for the best

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possible information to make informed side by side

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comparisons of the options. Uh, we, your constituents

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want you to make those comparisons. Items one and two will

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provide additional important information to help you crystallize

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the options and make the best decisions. I also implore

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each of you to consider every decision and to take every action

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with a view towards one aim, and that is to resurrect our city

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center. It is inconceivable that our city and

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our region will prosper if we allow our core to atrophy

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and making the most of precisely where we stand today.

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and the most of the acreage surrounding city hall is in that

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your time indispensable if we are going to succeed. Thank you for considering my, our

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views. Thank you jose avila.

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good morning counsel. Jose avila, district two downtown. I know you've seen me

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at this podium before and you'll keep seeing me until this body acts with the urgency

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our city deserves. Starting with moving city hall out of this dead zone and into one

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of the many underutilized buildings already sitting downtown at a time when we

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face a 51 billion million budget deficit declining sales tax and potential

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cuts to public services by prioritizing 300 million at

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best to likely over 1 billion to salvage this building. While our city

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struggles to have basic vitality and public services is fiscal negligence

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the bigger, this is bigger than one building, it's about responsibility, responsible

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stewardship of taxpayer dollars and planning for the future. The actions before you today

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don't lock you into a decision. They simply keep the process moving. They allow you to

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evaluate options, understand costs, and make a decision grounded in facts, transparency and what's

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best for the dallas long term. If we want answers, we must continue to work to produce

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them, not block the process. Vote yes on today's items. Say yes to

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downtown. That's your time. Constituents for our urban core and for the city. We keep

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saying we want. Thank you. Saana. Saeed

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saana saeed is not present. Bruce orr,

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thank you bruce. Or district 13. A week ago, a divided council decided

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not to move forward with city hall repairs, and I thank those whose vote recognize

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the cost outweighs its historical value. At the same time, another discussion

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about downtown and city hall was going on among hundred city leaders.

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a transcript published by d magazine revealed both a brutal honesty about the

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challenges ahead and cautious optimism. More unity among city

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leaders was identified as a critical need for success. And now today,

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the council has a golden opportunity to unify for months. Preservationists

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downtown advocates and council members have demanded the same thing, cost for repairs

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and restoration of city hall demolition and detailed relocation costs because

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all agree that without a side-by-side comparison, no decision will be fully

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informed nor transparent. So today, we should expect the

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council to come together and vote unanimously to allow the city manager

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to get detailed relocation costs to better inform our discussions

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and decisions. Thank you. Thank you, melissa. Lara.

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good morning mayor, council members and city manager. My name is melissa and I wanna begin

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by thanking for last week's vote 96 to keep this process moving forward.

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that vote created momentum and I hope we continue building on it today.

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it is a momentum to ask questions, momentum to keep exploring opportunities,

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momentum to have a real conversation about the future of dallas. Too often we're

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watching neighboring cdcs opportunities while dallas hesitates arlington

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fort worth frisco. They continue attracting investment major

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developments and while we are staying behind, dallas should be setting

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the pace, not trying to catch up. Today's vote is not the finish line. It is

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the opportunity to continue this conversation to move forward and for growth.

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let's make that nine to six vote count and let's keep this momentum going forward.

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thank you. And let's continue making dallas what it's meant to be. Thank you

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roland parish.

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greetings. I'd like to say thank you for it's probably a thankless job. Um,

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I'm a businessman, a civic leader and a, uh, have hamburgers stands throughout the

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city. Um, we pay, uh, eight to $10 million over the last five

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years each year for, uh, real estate and sales taxes. I want you to

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understand, I want you to support the, um, the agenda items, but I want to make sure that we have a

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broader vision, that we play chess in our checkers. Um,

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when we look at, there's been in our lifetime, uh, municipal, urban areas

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that have decayed that have come back. Chicago, detroit, detroit brought sports teams back.

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chicago did not. There are fortune 500 companies out there that have generation

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y and generation z. Those workers want to live in downtown areas.

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we should be locked arm in arm with the dallas regional chamber to find fortune 500, fortune

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500 companies that wanna come forward. Lastly, one

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of the best decisions from this councilman has been dfw airport, a strong economic engine. They

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play chess, not checkers. One of our bad decisions was we lost the cowboys. They played

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checkers and not chess. That's your time. Let's play chess, not checkers.

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thank you cynthia michaels,

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I'm speaking on behalf of myself as well as, uh, heritage o cliff.

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why is the council here today asking for $3 million u-c-b-r-e? You

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already have a contract with them. You've been given real repair costs by zaya

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zora in her letter dated to june 9th. Please read it and take it to heart.

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if you don't, if you need, why would you not believe zi is numbers? She's worked

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for city hall for many years, managed many repairs here at city hall. Does not have a dog

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in this hunt like the consultants do. Please, I beg you look at the real numbers

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and see what they are compared to what the consultants give. Please vote no becau on

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these two agenda items. You don't need 3 million. You see bre to look at the

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four buildings and come up with a cost. Thank you andrew.

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good morning. I'd want to ask everyone in this room who believes the

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promise that abandoning city hall will spark development in downtown dallas.

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why would anyone believe those promises? We know how

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this is going to end up in five to 10 years. This building will be

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another empty parking lot or worse, an abandoned hulk. Too expensive

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to demolish surrounded by chain link fence, a monument

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to mismanagement and bad decisions. If you don't believe me, look

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at the empty blue wall. A few walks away from here where 200,000 cars

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a day drive past where our public art was destroyed. City leadership

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didn't pay attention, didn't own up to their mistakes. Don't have a plan to fix it.

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all the while the world laughs at us. Please don't fall for it.

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this isn't going to end well. Council members will be onto other jobs, will be

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left holding the bag. Dallas will be mocked for destroying an iconic building as

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ransom for city council. Mistakes and underfunding and lack of vision.

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thank you veronica. Aaron duno.

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veronica, aaron duno. It's not present.

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jed ridge will be virtual.

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alright, um, can you all hear me? Hello? Hello. Jurich

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district one, I'm democratic social american, north texas. It is time to vote on these

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or not voting. These say dallas city hall. And, um,

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while is going on, I see our own council members wanting to treat this like a job interview where our third

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cities are gonna get hired by some corporation move here. I find that pathetic times

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change. Sports franchises look for their next handout. Department stores are thing of the past.

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at and t's moved all over the place. There's no appeasing any of these entities, especially where

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one of them is owned by genocidal freaks who don't value human life. I see you people at

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the horseshoe so eager to get on your knees, ready to pay for big businesses right before yourselves.

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there are local business owners that think they will catch the wave. If you sell city hall to some

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corporate interest, yet in their unaware that they will be completely priced out,

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saving this building won't solve your downtown problem or your budget problem. What at this time to get created

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with your resources at a time when guys are in their underwear, mean mugging for weigh in

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at the lincoln memorial. It will maintain what we stand for in this city. You want to revive

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downtown? Get creative with the locks around city hall and build affordable housing. Get a grocery store

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downtown and that's your time. The hands of these entities, businesses will follow where people thank

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you. Daniel campbell.

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hello. Nice to meet you. Yeah, I believe in the redevelopment and

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reimagination of all of downtown, including this building and the surrounding

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area. I just think it's a beautiful space, but maybe it could be

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reimagined into something else that is better than what we have today.

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as one lady pointed out, you look at all these other city centers and how beautiful they

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are. I just think we need something like that to draw people in

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to dallas. Make it more community oriented. Thank

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you stephanie dinka.

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as you sit there gloating over the prospect of erasing I am pays legacy. I'm

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here to make sure his words are entered into the record. You never quite know

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when something that you have planted is going to be harvested. The yield may be once or

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recurrent. You may forget that something was planted and then there is suddenly this bloom

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called up by circumstances that are completely different. Such blooms can

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breach walls and whole epochs. This very moment is one of those

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blooms, me standing inside the house pay designed for us

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speaking truth to power. A time he both dreamed and feared when

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the people of dallas would need to protect themselves. He gave us this monument

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to remember how strong we are that our voices matter.

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I am pay was a visionary. He will be remembered by generations

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for what he created. You'll be remembered for what you destroyed

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if you're remembered at all. Thank you. David

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voss.

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my name's david voss. I live at 6 5 4 6 oreo drive, dallas, texas

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in district number two. I've spent considerable time and effort over the

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last few months trying to provide accurate information and professional experienced opinions

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about why and how to save dallas city hall. My attempts

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to insert logic and reason into this debate have found support with six members

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of this council. Logic and reason have been ignored by nine members

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of this body who are promoting the largest move to disrupt representative

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government in this city's history. And now you have the audacity

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to take a rpa funds budgeted for city hall repairs,

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reallocate them to fund your actions, to abandon and destroy this

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building. It appears that you have no shame. I'm gonna

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use the rest of my time here to help with that. Shame,

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shame, shame, shame,

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shame on you. Thank you. Jessica stewart,

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lin bay.

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good morning. My name is jessica stewart, lin bay district nine.

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um, I think what david voss said was so important.

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shame is the feeling that we have when we're doing something wrong.

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and it's so important if we don't have shame, we

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can't learn from our mistakes and we can't refocus and recenter

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what's right. And I think shame is something that the people here

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that are not listening to their constituents, but listening to the, um,

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private sector is an appropriate feeling

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that we should all have when we're doing something wrong.

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redirect, this is your chance. You have a chance to vote no today and recenter

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what's going on right now. The process to abandon dallas city hall is regressive,

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destructive and non democrat, non-democratic. It is not based on

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our values such as ccap, the dallas comprehensive

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environmental and climate action plan. That's your time. Thank you.

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thank you. I will now call the next group of speakers. When I call

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your name, please come forward and have a seat on the first three rows of this intersection

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and virtual speakers. Please have your audio and video ready. Bruce richardson,

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dolores leve soroka. Mike davis,

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elena stevens, ed zara,

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quinn matthews, carol bell walton, amy tran.

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tabatha curel. Sean jensen, jared willis,

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anthony cheney, erica cole, sharon shepherd,

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sam williams, diane birdwell, karen

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muncy, yolanda williams, terrance hudson, and

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diana hayes. Bruce richardson,

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the great eric johnson regretted that

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engineers rarely become political leaders. Engineers

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mold science into human advancement. Their standards are

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rigorous above all other fields. Lawyers,

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engineer words to achieve ends. Judges

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are the check upon their work. A boondoggle

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is a politically engineered spending without public

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benefit. This is kind of a reverse one.

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I didn't come to convince you because you are so convinced,

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but I warn you, we have only begun. Ultimately,

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history will have its say and history will

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follow you past your graves. You can count

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on it. Truth always prevails.

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always. You cannot engineer. That's your time. Truth

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away. Thank you. Dolores leve, soroka,

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dolores levy soroka, district two. If I had walked into this chamber

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today and handed the city of dallas a check for $750 million

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with one condition that you could only use it to, to repair

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city hall, I believe many of you would still vote to leave

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this building. Why? Because there is no, this no longer looks like

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an honest evaluation. It looks like a predetermined outcome.

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city hall is not the problem. It's an inanimate object. It did not

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stop development downtown. It did not drive at and t or the stars

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to plano. It has no power to make or break a revitalization

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plan. What concerns citizens is a process where the conclusion

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seems to come before the analysis and consultants are hired

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to justify a decision that appears to have already been made. That is why people

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begin to think of a very uncomfortable word. Corruption

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investors and developers may have deep pockets. That's your time. But we, the citizens

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are in the majority we are watching and we will remember. Thank you.

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mike davis.

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mike davis. Good morning. Uh, mr. Mayor, members of the city council.

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I'm in favor of redeveloping, uh, this property. It's a reinvestment in dallas.

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that's what we see our neighbors to the north doing the reinvesting

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in their cities. I encourage you and the members of the council to reinvest

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in downtown, protect our restaurant, uses our hospitality and

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nightlife uses, make those central to how we attract businesses here. How

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we attract conventions here and come together. I really do wanna encourage

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you, madam city manager. You have the vision, members of the council. You have the power to vote.

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let's bring those facts together. Let's get our acts together.

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let's come together. I I really want to encourage you all. I've got

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friends on both sides of this discussion, mr. Mayor, I encourage you,

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bring those friends into the fold as this conversation and this vote moves forward.

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allow their voices to be heard. Allow the voters to be heard. You're doing the

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right thing. Let's move forward with this redevelopment. Thank you. Thank you.

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elena stevens.

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greetings. I'm elena stevens. Um, district one, a lifelong

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citizen of dallas. After listening for hours last

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wednesday, hearing city staff and consultants show numbers and

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graphs indicating that repair of city hall is just too expensive

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and not, and, and that city hall itself is not the highest and best

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used of the soil beneath it. I do not agree.

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this building is an architectural marvel, an icon representing

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dallas worldwide. We need a

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leader with a vision to incorporate this city hall into the life

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of downtown. The life around the new convention center. Projected to

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be a huge generator of money and energy for this part of downtown.

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I ask you today to listen to all your neighbors. I

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ask you to slow down until you can make a case that has real

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evidence supporting a navigable path for

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I am paid. That's your time. City hall. Thank you.

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ed zara.

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ed zara. District 14. How did the lease become by

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at last wednesday special call meeting jack ireland went through his repair presentation,

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which was full of questionable data. I gave my speech about the advantages

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for dallas taxpayers to keep city hall and make phase repairs versus

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leasing, which would cost us over 157 million every 10 years with

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an escalating triple net lease. The next day. Ireland stated every

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option that we're looking at would be if we do go with a lease, it would be to

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lease the own option. Our goal is to own city hall, not to lease city hall.

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so the good old bait and switch leasing was never an option. But purchasing another 50-year-old

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building is a financial disaster in the making. Your leadership failed

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dallas by not taking care of city hall for the past 48 years.

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do you think we're really dumb enough to believe that purchasing another old

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building and bulldozing I pays people house will change your modus operandi.

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stop your madness. That's your time. Save city hall. Thank you.

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quinn matthews

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mayor council. The sea of blue. You see here,

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no one paid us, no one gave us green shirts. No one wr wrote

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talking points for us. I keep hearing about stakeholders that

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the stakeholders should have a say. We the people are the

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stakeholders. That's correct. How many have responded to our message to save

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city hall? I can tell you just from my small part in this, that

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we have had over 300,000, 300,000

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positive responses to our messages online. Tens of thousands

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have said yes, this is an over, we overwhelmingly

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wanna save city hall. Finally, this is an opportunity.

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do something for downtown. Do something for downtown by

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investing in it. Investing in city hall in three words.

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I will close with stop this madness. Thank

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you. Carol bell walton.

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I'm going to read a portion of a letter from the dallas city count, uh, the

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dallas city hall employees and ex-employees because you never asked them.

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dear kent mayor and council members, on behalf of hundreds of current

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and former city of dallas employees, we are writing to urge you to restore dallas

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city hall. We keep reading in the news that you are doing

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this for us, yet we've never been asked.

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what we are asking of you is to lead our city in

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a plan to restore both downtown and dallas city hall.

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not to abandon who we are, to seek our opinions,

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seek our opinions about how to best restore and beautify

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this space. We are asking you to choose dallas

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r dallas. This is from the city of dallas employees. I will

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be sending you this email. It has been scrubbed of metadata. They are scared

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of you and you and your retaliation, but you will get their message.

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thank you. Amy tran.

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amy tran. After more than a sec, after more

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than a decade living in dallas, I can say that city hall is where I've been most civically engaged.

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I've marched for black lives matter, attended rallies for free. Palestine brought my

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18 month old daughter to speak at city hall meetings. Brought my infant son to advocate against

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a partnership between bpd and ice. City hall is not an obsolete

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bu building, and it's a place where dallas residents come to civically engage in our

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local politics. It's a place where I'm teaching and raising my children to advocate for local, state

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and global issues. Last night I told my husband that I'd speak, uh, today

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and my 3-year-old daughter immediately interjected that, mommy, I'm coming with

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you. As an engaged resident of dallas, I want to save city hall, preserve this

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building and see a future where my children come to advocate on behalf of our community in

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their own thank you. Thank you.

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tabatha curel,

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tam cu. It's not present.

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sean jensen,

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sean jensen, district 11. Sean jensen, district 11. I

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ask with deep respect, what can $3 million bias right now?

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a da compliance with overhauled restrooms, critical hvac repairs,

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security expansion, working fire suppression, leak repairs and water mitigation.

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all of it. Or earnest money to keep buildings empty. Comparative

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studies showing us just how much those buildings fail to meet our needs and

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contracts ready to sign before voters even know what's happening.

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unless we decide to abandon our iconic home, it's $3 million spent

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joining the flight from our core. We don't need contracts in august, but

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downtown needs this anchor. Dallas needs this symbol. So let's

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take a beat. Let your constituents catch up. This is a problem

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of our own making, but it's not too late to become good stewards of our city's home

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and restore the public trust. I urge you to vote. No

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thank you. Jared willis.

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00:33:51,385 --> 00:33:54,735
jared willis is not present.

445
00:33:57,045 --> 00:33:57,815
anthony cheney.

446
00:34:03,135 --> 00:34:05,745
anthony cheney. It's not present.

447
00:34:07,155 --> 00:34:07,735
erica cole.

448
00:34:15,475 --> 00:34:19,395
hi, I'm erica cole. I have some questions for y'all and I'm

449
00:34:19,615 --> 00:34:23,055
not getting any answers. We've been, we haven't found the details

450
00:34:23,905 --> 00:34:27,805
about where we're gonna move. How much is it gonna cost?

451
00:34:28,635 --> 00:34:32,205
we need an estimate. It may be more expensive than tearing

452
00:34:32,695 --> 00:34:36,495
down city hall and, um, I,

453
00:34:36,715 --> 00:34:40,325
uh, so we don't know where we're moving, how much it would cost.

454
00:34:41,275 --> 00:34:44,875
the real cost. Bringing up the, uh,

455
00:34:45,405 --> 00:34:49,395
tearing up the I am building up to date is

456
00:34:49,675 --> 00:34:53,445
and the cost of moving. I hear the cost of moving. Um, 9 1 1

457
00:34:54,555 --> 00:34:58,205
is still a very delicate and expensive

458
00:34:58,885 --> 00:35:02,635
project and tearing down the tons of cement

459
00:35:03,115 --> 00:35:06,685
bricks and the qua quantity of dumping

460
00:35:07,275 --> 00:35:11,155
the debris will cost millions itself. Why are we not learning? Why

461
00:35:11,375 --> 00:35:15,295
do we not know? We are just more interested in tearing down this

462
00:35:15,695 --> 00:35:19,115
building. That's your time than to find out the price of keeping it.

463
00:35:19,825 --> 00:35:21,355
thank you. Sharon shepherd.

464
00:35:25,255 --> 00:35:29,075
sharon shepherd. It's not present. Sam williams.

465
00:35:34,335 --> 00:35:35,355
tim williams is virtual.

466
00:35:41,945 --> 00:35:45,065
mr. Williams. Okay, I'll move on.

467
00:35:46,575 --> 00:35:49,695
diane birdwell here again.

468
00:35:51,915 --> 00:35:55,605
let's see it though. Just show my face this time. They didn't do that last time, but

469
00:35:56,105 --> 00:35:59,705
it helped me, uh, get, uh, seven and a half thousand views

470
00:36:00,405 --> 00:36:04,185
on facebook, especially with the mayor's, uh, grimacing and faces

471
00:36:04,535 --> 00:36:08,415
that he made when I was speaking. I'm diane birdwell, district seven, and maybe I'll

472
00:36:08,705 --> 00:36:12,435
run for that after bezel to his termed out because someone else needs

473
00:36:12,785 --> 00:36:16,665
to carry on that torch. I know that the green shirts may be getting

474
00:36:17,055 --> 00:36:20,345
paid for their advocacy, but maybe not, but I know they're getting

475
00:36:21,245 --> 00:36:25,145
played. They're getting played. These young people, y'all have no idea

476
00:36:25,485 --> 00:36:29,415
how much you're being played right now by the oligarchy for the anti city

477
00:36:29,735 --> 00:36:33,705
hall nine. What's the bums rush? What is the geek at the carnival

478
00:36:35,575 --> 00:36:39,385
that y'all have to be wait three to six months for those who

479
00:36:39,605 --> 00:36:42,885
say it's the best thing to do. Show us the numbers. When someone quotes $1.4 billion,

480
00:36:45,095 --> 00:36:48,425
show me the money. Show me where your statistics come from.

481
00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:53,185
show me what you've got. Quip using south dallas

482
00:36:53,565 --> 00:36:57,305
as an excuse. I'll say it again. If the investors and the movers and shakers

483
00:36:57,705 --> 00:37:01,665
wanted south dallas to succeed, they'd live there. They'd work there and they'd invest there, but they haven't.

484
00:37:02,215 --> 00:37:05,745
it's a your time. It's a game. And this guy is way too aggressive. Thank you.

485
00:37:08,795 --> 00:37:12,475
karen muncy . Karen

486
00:37:13,185 --> 00:37:17,095
muncie. Karen muncy, 26 14 lake forest court, district nine.

487
00:37:18,085 --> 00:37:21,935
the rule of law isn't dead yet. Thanks to six council members, including

488
00:37:22,655 --> 00:37:26,425
mine. I've lived in dallas since 1957 and I've

489
00:37:26,705 --> 00:37:30,065
watched this city's elected representatives consistently

490
00:37:31,285 --> 00:37:34,655
refuse to do the grownup work of maintenance and stewardship

491
00:37:35,725 --> 00:37:39,545
in favor of formative development of sports, facilities and entertainment

492
00:37:40,765 --> 00:37:44,745
fly traps. Thank you mark. Re the folks pushing to so desperately to wipe

493
00:37:44,985 --> 00:37:48,905
out our city hall, need to stop playing realtor and do the work

494
00:37:49,535 --> 00:37:53,465
elected to do by the citizens of dallas. Save the heart

495
00:37:53,725 --> 00:37:57,685
of our civic life. Vote no on both items, please.

496
00:37:59,195 --> 00:38:00,825
thank you. Yolanda williams.

497
00:38:06,705 --> 00:38:07,435
yolanda williams.

498
00:38:14,385 --> 00:38:17,455
okay, ms. Williams. I will move on.

499
00:38:20,735 --> 00:38:22,845
thank you. It's nine o'clock. I'm here.

500
00:38:25,425 --> 00:38:29,335
hello. Okay, ms. Williams, you may continue.

501
00:38:30,405 --> 00:38:34,255
okay. I guess I'm gonna have to sign up every week to speak on this.

502
00:38:34,675 --> 00:38:38,285
it, this is really, really getting frustrated because while I understand

503
00:38:39,165 --> 00:38:42,985
everyone wants to save city hall, everyone thinks, you know, the building is

504
00:38:43,205 --> 00:38:47,205
important. While I respect the work that the artists have done, but we have other

505
00:38:47,845 --> 00:38:50,975
business that we need to take her in the city. There have been historical

506
00:38:52,005 --> 00:38:55,645
buildings torn down. There have been historical residents torn down

507
00:38:56,425 --> 00:39:00,245
and we must move on with city hall. I don't understand

508
00:39:00,785 --> 00:39:04,145
why everyone keeps wanting to save a building. So you're telling me

509
00:39:04,835 --> 00:39:08,595
9 1 1 is not important. Those of us who rely

510
00:39:08,885 --> 00:39:12,705
on nine one one and call 9 1 1, you're telling me staff is

511
00:39:12,925 --> 00:39:16,925
not important. We found out that some of our recreation centers, the senior citizen,

512
00:39:17,795 --> 00:39:21,405
were on the chopping block because we don't have money, we don't have funding

513
00:39:22,185 --> 00:39:26,045
or anything. And this has to stop with the council members that's on social

514
00:39:26,295 --> 00:39:30,155
media putting all this false information out. That's your

515
00:39:30,485 --> 00:39:34,285
time. I don't what's important about this building. Demolish city hall. That's

516
00:39:34,565 --> 00:39:38,555
your time. Thank you. Thank you ms. Mayor. Alright, well

517
00:39:39,095 --> 00:39:42,725
we're going to now, uh, recess the special call meeting.

518
00:39:43,315 --> 00:39:46,925
it's 9:01 am and we will plan to reconvene

519
00:39:47,425 --> 00:39:51,325
in 30 minutes or so. Let's say, call it nine 30. Um, and we

520
00:39:51,525 --> 00:39:55,525
will now call to order our regular agenda meeting. So we'll need

521
00:39:55,645 --> 00:39:58,885
to switch over the webex. So give us just one moment.

522
00:40:01,435 --> 00:40:05,165
okay. The webex is switched over so we can reconvene the special call meeting.

523
00:40:05,835 --> 00:40:09,485
it's 9:32 am m secretary. We can pick up with our open microphone speakers

524
00:40:09,845 --> 00:40:12,535
again. Thank you mr. Mayor.

525
00:40:16,835 --> 00:40:19,495
if you allow my assistant to start up, it's moving a little slow.

526
00:40:21,185 --> 00:40:25,035
thank you mr. Mayor terrance hudson. We

527
00:40:25,255 --> 00:40:25,895
can't hear the meeting.

528
00:40:30,915 --> 00:40:34,535
one, one second. Mr. Hudson. We'll get someone to raise that podium for you.

529
00:40:58,575 --> 00:41:02,435
you may begin. All right. Good morning,

530
00:41:02,705 --> 00:41:06,675
city council. Mayor. My name is terrence. I live in district

531
00:41:06,955 --> 00:41:10,665
13, bickery midtown of dallas. Uh, I just came

532
00:41:11,035 --> 00:41:15,015
here to say that city hall is for everyone, not just me, not

533
00:41:15,235 --> 00:41:18,575
just for downtown, not just for uptown, it's for everybody. Um,

534
00:41:20,335 --> 00:41:23,735
it, you know, it brought tourism and movies and

535
00:41:25,075 --> 00:41:28,515
a lot of good things to dallas and it was, it'll be sad to see it go.

536
00:41:30,055 --> 00:41:34,025
um, as I was saying, city hall is for all of us, not for money, hungry driven,

537
00:41:34,455 --> 00:41:37,805
power hungry developers and a long, and as a long time east dallas resident.

538
00:41:38,505 --> 00:41:41,765
and, um, the class of 2010. Brian adams high school.

539
00:41:42,785 --> 00:41:46,725
um, I wanna say for many more. I want it to stay for many more generations

540
00:41:47,165 --> 00:41:50,965
to come. We owe our respect and gratitude to im pay by keeping

541
00:41:51,345 --> 00:41:55,225
and renovating this building. Like what happened with the statler hilton or

542
00:41:55,445 --> 00:41:59,445
the lorenzo and the cedars. Even the cotton bowling fair park. It's the best thing

543
00:41:59,645 --> 00:42:02,565
to do. That's your time. Thank you.

544
00:42:03,935 --> 00:42:03,935
diana hayes.

545
00:42:08,615 --> 00:42:11,645
diana hayes is not present.

546
00:42:16,045 --> 00:42:19,425
I will call the names of the next group of speakers. Um, the

547
00:42:20,255 --> 00:42:24,245
first few rows of this intersection is full. So I will just ask that you would come forward and be

548
00:42:24,365 --> 00:42:26,965
ready when I call your name

549
00:42:28,815 --> 00:42:31,555
cindy weatherall. When

550
00:42:34,095 --> 00:42:37,365
hardy haberman anna sine has canceled.

551
00:42:38,685 --> 00:42:41,545
jessica ramirez. Catherine garra,

552
00:42:43,405 --> 00:42:46,595
rawlins gilliland, sidney walker. Her

553
00:42:48,245 --> 00:42:51,285
joan gola, melanie vanlandingham,

554
00:42:52,915 --> 00:42:56,805
ronnie mees, adam lamont, mckayla

555
00:42:57,565 --> 00:43:00,215
watkins, damien leveque.

556
00:43:01,775 --> 00:43:05,555
matthew bach, donna

557
00:43:06,105 --> 00:43:09,745
denson, john lin bay, kevin pfeiffer,

558
00:43:11,765 --> 00:43:15,535
alicia quinton's, catherine garrison, jessica sanchez.

559
00:43:17,295 --> 00:43:20,925
sanford denison, alex scott, kristen atwell

560
00:43:21,345 --> 00:43:22,595
and erica huddle huddleston.

561
00:43:26,025 --> 00:43:26,415
cindy weatherall.

562
00:43:30,925 --> 00:43:34,515
cindy weatherall is not present.

563
00:43:38,365 --> 00:43:38,715
hardy haberman.

564
00:43:42,445 --> 00:43:43,515
hardy haberman is not present.

565
00:43:48,225 --> 00:43:49,715
anna sine has canceled. Jessica ramirez

566
00:43:52,905 --> 00:43:56,775
will be virtual. Yes. Hello. I'm

567
00:43:56,995 --> 00:44:00,905
here. Mr. Ramirez, your

568
00:44:01,195 --> 00:44:05,115
audio, I believe it's muted

569
00:44:05,465 --> 00:44:08,845
side in district eight. Um, hello.

570
00:44:11,285 --> 00:44:13,915
hello. We can hear you. You may continue.

571
00:44:18,015 --> 00:44:20,295
I can't hear anything. We can hear you

572
00:44:26,465 --> 00:44:28,165
ms. Ramirez. I'll come back.

573
00:44:31,315 --> 00:44:32,055
catherine garra.

574
00:44:35,825 --> 00:44:39,765
we will be virtual. Good morning. Okay. I'm catherine guerra. The most sustainable building is the

575
00:44:39,885 --> 00:44:43,685
one that's already built is a quote by the architect carl el lafonte. From an environmental

576
00:44:44,045 --> 00:44:47,605
perspective, demolishing dallas city hall causes us to lose the embodied carbon.

577
00:44:48,465 --> 00:44:52,405
the emissions generated from extracting manufacturing and transporting its original materials. And

578
00:44:52,525 --> 00:44:55,755
when it is demolished, that massive carbon investment is effectively lost.

579
00:44:56,665 --> 00:45:00,525
um, it, it requires, uh, uh, replacing, uh, all of

580
00:45:00,685 --> 00:45:04,325
those, uh, materials. Um, our carbon goals are net zero by 2050,

581
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:08,775
so we're gonna have to figure out how to negate that if you move forward today. Demolition

582
00:45:09,445 --> 00:45:13,245
of a concrete building also, um, has its own issues,

583
00:45:13,615 --> 00:45:17,445
especially when the building is of this significant size. We're going to have to

584
00:45:17,805 --> 00:45:21,765
mitigate air pollution in particulate matter for our downtown neighbors. But there's no guarantee that leaving

585
00:45:21,925 --> 00:45:25,625
dallas city hall will do anything for downtown. No guarantee that taxpayers will ever get

586
00:45:26,125 --> 00:45:30,125
anything for the loss of our of city hall. There's not a silver bullet that will

587
00:45:30,285 --> 00:45:34,285
save or revitalize downtown. And lastly, as we look to the future, please consider

588
00:45:34,545 --> 00:45:38,505
why taxpayers would ever agree to fund another dallas city hall when city leaders that's

589
00:45:38,925 --> 00:45:42,565
your time and present have demonstrated the inability to care for the one we that's your time.

590
00:45:43,175 --> 00:45:43,525
thank you.

591
00:45:47,385 --> 00:45:50,735
we will go back to speaker nine. Sauna saeed.

592
00:46:17,375 --> 00:46:20,945
good morning, mayor and council. I serve as president of the farmer's market stakeholders

593
00:46:21,575 --> 00:46:25,545
association and downtown is our home. Many of

594
00:46:25,705 --> 00:46:29,065
us chose to live here because we believed in what downtown could become.

595
00:46:30,415 --> 00:46:32,905
this is the most excited I have seen my neighborhood

596
00:46:34,425 --> 00:46:37,835
reimagining this dead zone by our homes. Talks about multimodal

597
00:46:38,505 --> 00:46:42,345
connection, links to other neighborhoods, the katy trail loop, high speed rail, street

598
00:46:42,625 --> 00:46:45,905
cars, density with people from all socioeconomic backgrounds.

599
00:46:46,925 --> 00:46:50,905
the downtown we envision is a destination, but the story of

600
00:46:51,065 --> 00:46:54,315
too many places in downtown has become big ideas, unfinished

601
00:46:55,075 --> 00:46:59,045
plans and opportunities that slipped away. You

602
00:46:59,265 --> 00:47:02,105
are in a position to change this city for generations.

603
00:47:03,365 --> 00:47:07,095
we are tired of talking about possibilities. Show

604
00:47:07,385 --> 00:47:10,985
us that dallas still has the courage to do great things. Thank you.

605
00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:15,095
thank you. We will now go back to speaker 47. Rawlin. Gilland,

606
00:47:31,815 --> 00:47:31,815
sorry.

607
00:47:36,815 --> 00:47:40,665
proud district five. By

608
00:47:40,905 --> 00:47:44,615
now. My sense is that abandoning this building is a sadly foregone conclusion.

609
00:47:45,785 --> 00:47:49,685
so here is my eulogy. I believe with all

610
00:47:49,845 --> 00:47:53,845
my heart that 35 years from now there will be books with photographs

611
00:47:54,665 --> 00:47:58,435
of amazing, unique, 21st century architectural

612
00:47:59,435 --> 00:48:02,845
marvels. One of a kind iconoclastic buildings

613
00:48:03,735 --> 00:48:06,165
built in the heyday of masters.

614
00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:12,245
of course this building will be prominently featured since it looks like no other building

615
00:48:12,765 --> 00:48:16,725
anywhere, ever before or since. It will be seen as an

616
00:48:16,885 --> 00:48:20,105
inscrutable tragedy that people willingly let that building die.

617
00:48:21,825 --> 00:48:25,515
as I said before, the first time I spoke, you cannot unloose

618
00:48:26,005 --> 00:48:29,605
what is forever lost. Remember that? That's your time.

619
00:48:30,535 --> 00:48:31,825
thank you sidney walker.

620
00:48:39,365 --> 00:48:42,845
I called you guys out once before for betraying the taxpayers

621
00:48:43,425 --> 00:48:47,205
of this city and you continue to betray us with your

622
00:48:47,475 --> 00:48:50,805
trumped up numbers for complete restoration to commercial

623
00:48:51,495 --> 00:48:55,205
grade, a real estate standards for a government building

624
00:48:56,305 --> 00:49:00,035
you won't betray your benefactors. Who will benefit from thel

625
00:49:00,555 --> 00:49:04,405
this building for a so-called dead zone because of investment

626
00:49:05,345 --> 00:49:09,285
in parking lots that have been here since the sixties and the seventies.

627
00:49:10,375 --> 00:49:14,325
shame on y'all for betraying us one more time. And your

628
00:49:14,565 --> 00:49:18,485
numbers to move. We expect them to be the equivalent of

629
00:49:18,745 --> 00:49:22,565
$2 to justify you getting rid of this

630
00:49:23,025 --> 00:49:26,835
daggum building. Thank you. Jones gola.

631
00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:43,725
thank you. Good morning. Thank you for your

632
00:49:45,235 --> 00:49:49,125
undivided attention. My name is jones. I'm 11 years old and I live

633
00:49:49,325 --> 00:49:53,165
in dallas district 10. I am here today to ask you to save

634
00:49:53,625 --> 00:49:57,505
our city hall from demolition by voting no for the two resolutions on

635
00:49:58,005 --> 00:50:01,965
today's agenda. I learned that mr. Pe designed our city

636
00:50:02,235 --> 00:50:06,165
with a specific intent. The front leans forward at a 34 degree

637
00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:10,325
angle. This angle is not just a cool design trick. It was powerful symbolism.

638
00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:15,325
the building slants outward to literally reach out and embrace the public square.

639
00:50:15,785 --> 00:50:19,785
it was designed to look like the people of dallas are the foundation and the

640
00:50:20,005 --> 00:50:23,985
government is leaning toward forward to listen to us, protect us, and

641
00:50:24,205 --> 00:50:27,725
shelter us. People travel from all over the world to see.

642
00:50:28,325 --> 00:50:31,825
I pays work like the glass pyramid at the louv museum

643
00:50:32,345 --> 00:50:36,325
in paris. But right here in texas, we have our own piece of his

644
00:50:36,485 --> 00:50:40,445
genius, including city hall. It's the heart of our community. If we

645
00:50:40,595 --> 00:50:44,485
tear this down, that's your time. Thank you for your time. And thank you for

646
00:50:44,645 --> 00:50:46,685
listening to the youth of dallas. Thank you

647
00:50:53,835 --> 00:50:54,515
melanie vanlandingham.

648
00:51:10,535 --> 00:51:14,315
do not abandon the structurally sound safe, world renowned,

649
00:51:14,645 --> 00:51:18,625
completely paid for city hall. This is not a side

650
00:51:18,935 --> 00:51:22,895
by side comparison. You already voted against repairing what we own.

651
00:51:23,895 --> 00:51:27,675
you already voted against knowing environmental impacts and demolition costs.

652
00:51:28,455 --> 00:51:32,235
you don't wanna know. Dallas residents want you to save city hall

653
00:51:32,495 --> 00:51:35,345
and stop the rigged process lies predetermined

654
00:51:36,515 --> 00:51:40,435
outcomes and fake cost. Testaments stop violating court orders.

655
00:51:41,015 --> 00:51:44,775
the city charter meeting notices, voting procedures, state law,

656
00:51:45,385 --> 00:51:48,805
your oaths of office and the public trust, especially

657
00:51:49,475 --> 00:51:53,465
if the city is broke. Vote no against relocation actions.

658
00:51:54,585 --> 00:51:58,495
instead spend the federal funds. We have to prepare what we

659
00:51:58,855 --> 00:52:02,555
own. Address budget shortfalls before you spend another

660
00:52:03,145 --> 00:52:06,805
dime, before you take grossly irresponsible actions, break

661
00:52:07,295 --> 00:52:11,155
the shackles of improper influence, do the right thing. That's your

662
00:52:11,315 --> 00:52:14,835
time. And save city hall. Thank you

663
00:52:15,655 --> 00:52:16,305
ronnie mees.

664
00:52:30,055 --> 00:52:33,485
good afternoon mayor johnson. How you doing? Ronnie me west dallas, texas. Uh,

665
00:52:34,285 --> 00:52:38,265
wanted to go into uh, the issue with the city hall,

666
00:52:38,545 --> 00:52:42,385
but I don't want to ruin the young people's, uh, idea of what they've

667
00:52:42,585 --> 00:52:46,545
been already trained. What I'm asking is why don't you engage the people you're actually

668
00:52:46,665 --> 00:52:50,585
applauding and taking pictures with and have them and the voters and the other

669
00:52:50,745 --> 00:52:54,665
public, uh, people here in the city of dallas vote on this

670
00:52:54,825 --> 00:52:58,645
issue and take that responsibility and that away from you guys. You

671
00:52:58,865 --> 00:53:02,085
know, not to take you know your vision away 'cause there is none. But

672
00:53:03,125 --> 00:53:06,915
to put it back in the hands of the people that put y'all in the office. Thank

673
00:53:07,265 --> 00:53:10,725
you. Thank you adam lamont.

674
00:53:12,895 --> 00:53:16,825
adam lamont is not virtual, not in the

675
00:53:17,105 --> 00:53:19,575
audience, not present. Mckayla watkins

676
00:53:33,365 --> 00:53:37,095
mikayla watkins of district two one could argue that our advocacy

677
00:53:37,395 --> 00:53:41,295
is in vain as we argue our points to individuals whose minds are already made up, especially

678
00:53:41,855 --> 00:53:45,855
if the checks have already cleared. However, I would be remiss if I did not point

679
00:53:46,055 --> 00:53:49,895
out a few inconsistencies when we, your constituents ask for facts

680
00:53:50,115 --> 00:53:54,055
and figures, but were provided none. It should have brought a halt to last week's vote.

681
00:53:54,675 --> 00:53:58,655
how sensible is it to vote today on exploratory measures that should have been pursued

682
00:53:59,055 --> 00:54:02,575
at the forefront of this debacle? As I stated last week, concepts

683
00:54:03,135 --> 00:54:06,775
of a plan will not suffice from my great city. This underdeveloped

684
00:54:07,495 --> 00:54:11,255
plan of yours does not consider logic, rationale or the needs of our own unhoused,

685
00:54:11,775 --> 00:54:15,575
brothers and sisters in this area with whispers that our voices don't matter because

686
00:54:15,815 --> 00:54:19,565
the decision has already been made. I respectfully employ you to consider your

687
00:54:19,855 --> 00:54:23,335
legacies and the lack of integrity on display. Thank you.

688
00:54:24,465 --> 00:54:28,075
thank you. Damien leve. Damien

689
00:54:28,585 --> 00:54:31,735
levek is not online, not in the audience.

690
00:54:32,805 --> 00:54:36,085
it's not present. Matthew bach.

691
00:54:48,485 --> 00:54:52,335
good morning. Matthew bach, district 11. As a 30 5-year-old

692
00:54:53,255 --> 00:54:56,735
resident of dallas, I strongly oppose the demolition of dallas city hall.

693
00:54:57,815 --> 00:55:01,645
I personally admire the dramatic canted facade of city

694
00:55:01,965 --> 00:55:05,555
hall. It sets our skyline apart and reflects a bold era

695
00:55:06,315 --> 00:55:09,055
of ambition and forward thinking design in our city's history.

696
00:55:10,435 --> 00:55:14,425
but city hall is more than just a building itself. It's where people show up, speak

697
00:55:14,795 --> 00:55:18,175
out, engage. That kind of civic presence

698
00:55:18,945 --> 00:55:22,735
isn't easy to recreate somewhere else. I'm stunned

699
00:55:23,095 --> 00:55:27,095
that some of our city leaders would consider discarding one of our most

700
00:55:27,335 --> 00:55:31,285
significant civic institutions simply to monetize the land.

701
00:55:32,355 --> 00:55:36,275
by that logic, we might as well sell the arboretum, the zoo

702
00:55:37,005 --> 00:55:40,895
fair park, another cherished dallas assets. Whenever a

703
00:55:41,015 --> 00:55:44,855
profitable offer comes along, city hall is not just a

704
00:55:45,095 --> 00:55:48,735
building, it's sacred ground in a civic sense. That your time.

705
00:55:49,505 --> 00:55:52,335
thank you. Thank you donna denison.

706
00:56:05,625 --> 00:56:09,035
good, good morning coun, uh, mayor and council members. I'm here as a 70-year-old

707
00:56:09,955 --> 00:56:13,795
resident of dallas to ask you to vote no on items one and two.

708
00:56:14,535 --> 00:56:18,155
I'm asking for transparency for this rush to the decision

709
00:56:18,895 --> 00:56:22,635
to move out of city hall and relocate. I'm asking for transparency

710
00:56:23,505 --> 00:56:27,445
for the true cost of repairing city hall consultants reported

711
00:56:27,565 --> 00:56:31,565
that this solid iconic building will stand for another 200, 250 years.

712
00:56:32,355 --> 00:56:35,835
it's in a class by itself. Abandoning city hall

713
00:56:36,505 --> 00:56:40,285
is not the silver bullet which will revitalize downtown dallas.

714
00:56:41,265 --> 00:56:45,035
please vote no. Please don't vote. To abandon this

715
00:56:45,465 --> 00:56:49,385
iconic landmark building which im pay considered one of his top

716
00:56:50,035 --> 00:56:53,565
four or five projects of his lifetime. Thank you. Thank you.

717
00:56:54,395 --> 00:56:58,065
john lin bay dallas,

718
00:56:58,485 --> 00:57:02,335
native district nine, formally districts

719
00:57:02,755 --> 00:57:06,375
one and 14. The majority of this council represents the private sector,

720
00:57:06,915 --> 00:57:10,815
not the people of dallas. This is not only about preserving a

721
00:57:11,015 --> 00:57:15,015
building, it's about preserving public trust. The concern is not

722
00:57:15,175 --> 00:57:19,075
whether dallas should evolve. It's whether decisions of this scale are

723
00:57:19,295 --> 00:57:23,215
being made with enough transparency, enough public input, and enough

724
00:57:23,775 --> 00:57:26,575
complete information before moving toward demolition or redevelopment.

725
00:57:27,935 --> 00:57:31,615
residents deserve clear side-by-side comparisons of repair, replacement,

726
00:57:32,255 --> 00:57:35,695
demolition, environmental impact, and long-term public value. Too many dallas

727
00:57:36,415 --> 00:57:40,415
residents feel this process has moved too quickly and without sufficient independent

728
00:57:41,015 --> 00:57:44,875
review. I ask the mayor, the city manager and council to

729
00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:49,275
reconsider the current path. Not because change is wrong, but

730
00:57:49,495 --> 00:57:52,735
because stewardship matters. Open the process.

731
00:57:54,195 --> 00:57:57,655
invite independent experts. Bring in the creativity

732
00:57:58,315 --> 00:58:01,615
and talent of dallas residents before making an irreversible

733
00:58:02,735 --> 00:58:05,945
decision. That's your thank you kevin pifer.

734
00:58:14,565 --> 00:58:18,355
thank you mayor kevin pfeiffer. District one, we the people.

735
00:58:18,795 --> 00:58:22,375
respectfully. How and where does the city council expect

736
00:58:23,115 --> 00:58:27,065
resource funds for the necessary rent for the next 500 years? For the city

737
00:58:27,365 --> 00:58:31,105
staff to perform their duties and which city services will

738
00:58:31,395 --> 00:58:35,155
need to be vacated to find those funds. And who will be paying

739
00:58:35,415 --> 00:58:39,035
to upgrade and retrofit the interior spaces of those office buildings?

740
00:58:39,805 --> 00:58:43,675
where are those funds coming from? Listening skills should be mandatory

741
00:58:44,015 --> 00:58:47,795
and paramount for any council member. Basic understanding of budget

742
00:58:48,295 --> 00:58:50,995
and finance should also be mandatory requirements.

743
00:58:52,885 --> 00:58:56,475
discarding a building simply because the council is in a rush

744
00:58:57,055 --> 00:59:00,855
to not take the time to understand what it needs to be repaired is not

745
00:59:01,495 --> 00:59:04,995
the premium level of stewardship and leadership that is required.

746
00:59:05,575 --> 00:59:09,415
please vote to use the $25 million arpa funds that are

747
00:59:09,635 --> 00:59:13,315
available. Vote no save. City hall. Thank you.

748
00:59:15,015 --> 00:59:18,865
alicia quinton's. It's not

749
00:59:19,025 --> 00:59:22,115
virtual. Not in the audience. Not present. Catherine garrison.

750
00:59:23,525 --> 00:59:27,445
I am here. I am here. Alicia here. Okay.

751
00:59:27,645 --> 00:59:30,525
thank you. My apologies. You may be. You may continue.

752
00:59:32,745 --> 00:59:36,725
yes. Thank you. My name is alicia lincon. I'm a 35 year resident

753
00:59:36,925 --> 00:59:40,925
of . 6 3 4. I've been to countless meetings at

754
00:59:41,085 --> 00:59:45,085
city hall, served on task forces missions, attended meetings

755
00:59:45,605 --> 00:59:49,375
with city staff at b hall each visit. I have a sense of civic pride

756
00:59:49,785 --> 00:59:53,445
and amazement at this building, but ima design building.

757
00:59:54,285 --> 00:59:58,185
recently I've heard some real estate consultants hired by the city of dallas. So

758
00:59:58,405 --> 01:00:02,305
the current city hall location does not have adequate public transit or

759
01:00:02,525 --> 01:00:06,445
amenities such as restaurants that would be attracted to employees

760
01:00:06,785 --> 01:00:10,425
and visitors to city hall. Blame for this. I ask.

761
01:00:10,945 --> 01:00:14,925
the current city hall was planned over 50 years ago. There must have been a

762
01:00:15,045 --> 01:00:17,765
master plan within these years and time to implement

763
01:00:19,485 --> 01:00:23,305
economic development has been a driving force for business at city hall. So why has

764
01:00:23,525 --> 01:00:27,525
the area around city hall been so neglected? Dart was planned in the

765
01:00:27,645 --> 01:00:31,165
early 1990s. Why would city hall left out of the plan's route?

766
01:00:32,265 --> 01:00:36,245
can you can then consider as in this planning stage right now? That's your time. Why not

767
01:00:36,405 --> 01:00:39,645
take the thank you. Thank you

768
01:00:41,095 --> 01:00:41,095
catherine garrison.

769
01:00:55,845 --> 01:00:59,025
I'm one of the lucky ones. I own my house outright.

770
01:01:00,205 --> 01:01:03,935
if someone came up to me and said, oh kathy, we're gonna take your land

771
01:01:04,365 --> 01:01:08,325
and your house and you're moving, you're paying to move, you're

772
01:01:08,745 --> 01:01:12,365
gonna lease or buy somewhere, but we don't know where you're paying

773
01:01:13,125 --> 01:01:16,995
for it. I'd tell them they were crazy.

774
01:01:19,495 --> 01:01:23,255
city hall is our house. It's paid

775
01:01:23,605 --> 01:01:27,465
for and it's the crown jewel of dallas. Past leaders

776
01:01:27,845 --> 01:01:31,645
and city staff have given us the police and fire pension fiasco.

777
01:01:32,645 --> 01:01:35,925
the $60 million trinity east lawsuit valued

778
01:01:36,785 --> 01:01:40,305
engineered pedestrian bridges $256 million. Trinity

779
01:01:41,055 --> 01:01:44,945
toll road fiasco of which 81 million is unaccounted for

780
01:01:45,725 --> 01:01:49,665
the 180 million trinity golf course. I urge you not to

781
01:01:49,745 --> 01:01:53,565
follow previous bad decisions with new ones. Vote no and

782
01:01:53,815 --> 01:01:56,855
save city hall. Thank you. Jessica sanchez.

783
01:02:00,055 --> 01:02:02,745
jessica sanchez is not virtual.

784
01:02:04,215 --> 01:02:08,065
none in the audience not present. Sanford denison

785
01:02:09,945 --> 01:02:13,945
. Sanford. Denison? Yes. Thank you.

786
01:02:15,065 --> 01:02:18,285
sanford. Denison. 6 2 3 4 prospect avenue, dallas, texas

787
01:02:19,565 --> 01:02:23,445
district for first. Dallas is a city that has a unique fortune

788
01:02:23,865 --> 01:02:27,845
of having a number of imp design buildings. Among them this city

789
01:02:28,195 --> 01:02:32,145
hall, it will be everlast shame of dallas, which we left this iconic

790
01:02:32,565 --> 01:02:36,485
public and cultural building called wrecking ball. If we

791
01:02:36,675 --> 01:02:40,635
tear down city hall, which was designed by to last well

792
01:02:40,925 --> 01:02:43,355
into the next century, if not longer, what

793
01:02:45,095 --> 01:02:49,045
lives vacant decay and eyesore anchoring the south side

794
01:02:49,285 --> 01:02:52,225
of downtown and staying city. And,

795
01:02:57,065 --> 01:02:59,265
and the site will come yet another parking lot,

796
01:03:01,155 --> 01:03:05,125
most likely never to be dealt in the near

797
01:03:05,325 --> 01:03:09,245
future. No real thought has been given to the cops, demolishing the structure.

798
01:03:09,785 --> 01:03:13,725
and who will for the tear down? It's gonna be us, nor has

799
01:03:13,925 --> 01:03:17,765
any thought been given to the master. That's your time. Thank you.

800
01:03:18,385 --> 01:03:21,055
oh, no. Thank you alex. Scott.

801
01:03:28,525 --> 01:03:32,395
good morning y'all. Alex scott, 64 72 trammell drive. I'm

802
01:03:32,615 --> 01:03:36,455
mean neighbor in district nine. Um, I'm coming up here a lot calmer today, y'all.

803
01:03:37,275 --> 01:03:40,815
um, so we have 50 seconds to kind of talk about

804
01:03:42,395 --> 01:03:46,295
my, my heed for y'all as you head into these

805
01:03:46,715 --> 01:03:50,655
closed sessions and as you head into this major next step. 'cause

806
01:03:50,735 --> 01:03:54,725
I think everyone here can agree that like this is a thing that's going down in history. Like

807
01:03:55,015 --> 01:03:58,875
people are gonna be talking about this, which I think is really fascinating. And

808
01:03:59,095 --> 01:04:02,835
so when we talk about history, it's important to understand the

809
01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:07,075
challenges that we faced, which this time last year, our

810
01:04:07,405 --> 01:04:10,775
city manager released an after action report for the stem and center,

811
01:04:11,545 --> 01:04:15,045
which was one of the worst real estate property purchases in municipal

812
01:04:15,655 --> 01:04:19,405
history. And we spent $43 million on that building because

813
01:04:19,995 --> 01:04:23,935
we didn't do the proper, you know, strategic thinking that all we needed was an application,

814
01:04:24,415 --> 01:04:28,415
right? All we needed was a phone app. And we were so rushed to

815
01:04:28,575 --> 01:04:32,435
do things. That's your time that we didn't think and sit. And so thank you. That's

816
01:04:32,855 --> 01:04:36,815
my heed for y'all as you head into this week to do some proper discernment. Thank you.

817
01:04:37,185 --> 01:04:38,635
thank you. Kristen atwell.

818
01:04:43,515 --> 01:04:47,255
hi kristen atwell. The idea being presented, that development

819
01:04:47,975 --> 01:04:51,815
of a vibrant downtown city core is dependent on the

820
01:04:52,005 --> 01:04:55,995
abandonment and demolition of our city hall. Is misleading at

821
01:04:56,285 --> 01:05:00,075
best and deceptive at worst. The opposite has

822
01:05:00,295 --> 01:05:03,985
been beautifully presented by the visionary students of utas kappa

823
01:05:04,335 --> 01:05:08,155
program. For example, it is abundantly clear that the majority of

824
01:05:08,695 --> 01:05:12,395
citizens in dallas want to save city hall, even say

825
01:05:12,715 --> 01:05:16,715
yes. People in the green shirts admitted they did not want to

826
01:05:17,045 --> 01:05:21,035
tear down city hall when asked. It is also

827
01:05:21,325 --> 01:05:25,245
abundantly clear that the expert answers have been in front of you for months. Yet you

828
01:05:25,445 --> 01:05:29,085
are contorting yourselves to ignore them in favor of presenting trumped up scare

829
01:05:29,685 --> 01:05:33,365
tactics. The irony is not lost on us. That a

830
01:05:33,725 --> 01:05:37,445
building visioned and constructed as a symbolic recovery from the disgrace

831
01:05:37,905 --> 01:05:41,895
our city faced in 1963 is now ushering us to the same level

832
01:05:42,305 --> 01:05:45,625
of international disgrace today. The world that your time is indeed

833
01:05:46,405 --> 01:05:50,365
watching. Do the right thing. Repair city hall. That's time. Have the vision to develop

834
01:05:50,665 --> 01:05:54,575
the southern sector. Thank you erica

835
01:05:55,015 --> 01:05:55,015
huddleston.

836
01:06:05,275 --> 01:06:08,085
good morning. Thank you so much for the opportunity. I'm in district 14.

837
01:06:10,595 --> 01:06:14,365
this building is a masterpiece and architects understand the technical

838
01:06:15,045 --> 01:06:19,025
difficulties of creating it, these form work. But we're being overrun by

839
01:06:19,245 --> 01:06:23,205
a waterfall, a financial waterfall. So I

840
01:06:23,355 --> 01:06:27,205
urge you here is the precedent from fort worth's new town hall.

841
01:06:27,445 --> 01:06:30,845
city hall that is being quoted, but it's different than ours.

842
01:06:32,555 --> 01:06:36,365
fort worth's former hall was a east coast, designed edward durrell stone brutalist

843
01:06:37,045 --> 01:06:40,695
building from the seventies. Sound familiar? 2.5 acres.

844
01:06:42,545 --> 01:06:45,365
in 2020 they did a deal. They bought 11.9

845
01:06:47,175 --> 01:06:49,545
acres. The former pier one

846
01:06:51,205 --> 01:06:52,085
building built in 2004

847
01:06:55,905 --> 01:06:58,655
are acreage 11.8 acres.

848
01:07:00,235 --> 01:07:04,125
what will you do? Will you trade it for a building downtown with

849
01:07:04,325 --> 01:07:07,485
no land? That your every text and note. That's your time.

850
01:07:08,655 --> 01:07:12,565
thank you. Before I call the final group of speakers, we will

851
01:07:12,745 --> 01:07:16,345
go back to speaker 45. Jessica ramirez. Ms. Ramirez,

852
01:07:18,585 --> 01:07:21,965
yes. Hello. Sorry about that earlier. The tech issues. But my name is jessica ramirez.

853
01:07:22,665 --> 01:07:26,655
I'm in district eight. I'm in an area where my library has been shut down since

854
01:07:27,005 --> 01:07:30,965
january. Um, and our parks and police have received

855
01:07:31,085 --> 01:07:35,045
the biggest bond. Um, and so now we're looking at tearing down

856
01:07:35,885 --> 01:07:39,755
a monumental building, a public building. And so because

857
01:07:40,305 --> 01:07:44,205
of the bad maintenance, bad due diligence, um, and for the most part,

858
01:07:45,225 --> 01:07:49,165
you guys, you will be not remembered for this, but voted out for

859
01:07:49,325 --> 01:07:53,325
this and somebody else will sit in that seat. And, um, if I will say this real

860
01:07:53,565 --> 01:07:57,325
quick and for translation, don't be a sellout.

861
01:07:57,775 --> 01:08:01,035
thank you. Thank you.

862
01:08:02,545 --> 01:08:04,595
I'll now call the final group of speakers

863
01:08:06,735 --> 01:08:10,255
and when I call your name, just be prepared to come forward, um,

864
01:08:10,905 --> 01:08:14,735
when I come back to your name and also virtual speakers. Please have your video and

865
01:08:15,045 --> 01:08:18,865
audio ready. Sarah mccarty, john putnam,

866
01:08:20,915 --> 01:08:23,395
paul simmons, noris soto, christina hahn,

867
01:08:26,135 --> 01:08:29,895
peter young, lucy billingsley, author, santa

868
01:08:30,255 --> 01:08:34,035
maria, jim lake, amanda moreno lake, christopher

869
01:08:34,875 --> 01:08:37,725
weis, simon matthew, nicholas mclean.

870
01:08:39,795 --> 01:08:43,345
sean todd, dawn dod, andrew

871
01:08:44,265 --> 01:08:47,565
ter, john eichman, alex michaels,

872
01:08:48,385 --> 01:08:52,315
peyton jackson, roseanne mills, matthew jacobs,

873
01:08:56,255 --> 01:08:59,865
jorge cruz s and zaida ra

874
01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:02,165
sarah mccarty is virtual.

875
01:09:05,185 --> 01:09:08,525
hi. You may continue.

876
01:09:09,235 --> 01:09:13,165
okay. Hi. Good morning. I'm katie. 14,000 noelle road district

877
01:09:13,325 --> 01:09:17,205
11. Your constituents are upset and having trouble keeping up with what's going

878
01:09:17,365 --> 01:09:21,045
on. Even if you're closely following the issue of city hall in the future of downtown.

879
01:09:21,475 --> 01:09:25,125
it's incredibly confusing because some of the puzzle pieces are wrong and some are missing.

880
01:09:25,705 --> 01:09:28,975
we haven't seen costs to leave city hall rent demolition.

881
01:09:29,945 --> 01:09:33,785
we haven't talked about what would happen to the efficiency of essential government services if

882
01:09:34,005 --> 01:09:37,645
they were splintered into different buildings or brought elsewhere. We also haven't

883
01:09:38,045 --> 01:09:42,045
talked about how this would affect dallas site's access to these services. I could go

884
01:09:42,245 --> 01:09:46,145
on this whole process begs the question, why are we rushing? We all

885
01:09:46,365 --> 01:09:50,145
want you to invest in and say yes to downtown. I just see no reason why

886
01:09:50,385 --> 01:09:54,285
we should forfeit our owned purpose-built landmark house of government to do

887
01:09:54,405 --> 01:09:58,205
that when it's not necessary. It was an investment made less than 50 years

888
01:09:58,485 --> 01:10:02,475
ago by the people of dallas. We own it. We trusted it in your hands. It's

889
01:10:02,765 --> 01:10:06,705
an asset we should protect. Leaving city hall is a false brush choice.

890
01:10:07,225 --> 01:10:10,405
please vote no on items one and two. Thank you. Thank you.

891
01:10:11,345 --> 01:10:15,285
if I called your name in this final group, please feel, um, please come

892
01:10:15,565 --> 01:10:18,805
forward and have a seat in these first three rows of the center section.

893
01:10:19,675 --> 01:10:23,265
john putnam. Hi, I am john putnam

894
01:10:23,685 --> 01:10:27,465
from district 10. Um, dallas county is number one in the country for

895
01:10:27,705 --> 01:10:31,685
ice. Detainments without due process since trump's second term began yet. Instead of protecting

896
01:10:32,085 --> 01:10:36,045
your residents, good families from having their rights and dignity stolen from them by state police.

897
01:10:36,675 --> 01:10:40,525
this body focuses on the short work of an incredible immigrant. I am pay and putting hundreds

898
01:10:41,005 --> 01:10:44,965
of millions of dollars towards dystopian surveillance technology in a police training

899
01:10:45,365 --> 01:10:49,245
facility. Nobody's asking for the city aids ice by allowing deportation flights,

900
01:10:50,065 --> 01:10:53,875
um, and flights attend. Internment camps occurred undeterred at love field when

901
01:10:54,165 --> 01:10:58,105
the texas observer asked the city for comet and told them to reach out to dhs. So

902
01:10:58,445 --> 01:11:02,425
dhs is now an extension of the city that speaks for activities on

903
01:11:02,825 --> 01:11:06,305
its property that is acceptable. Not signing 2 87

904
01:11:07,125 --> 01:11:11,115
g was not enough. His ice still acts on deterred on city property around the city. Stop

905
01:11:11,405 --> 01:11:14,965
colluding with ice. Save city hall, save love. Thank you.

906
01:11:15,615 --> 01:11:17,115
thank you. Paul simmons.

907
01:11:20,595 --> 01:11:22,965
paul simmons not present,

908
01:11:24,825 --> 01:11:25,235
nor soto.

909
01:11:35,335 --> 01:11:39,275
my name is nora soto. I live in district four. If you're not familiar,

910
01:11:40,015 --> 01:11:43,915
we have the dallas doge district member who is looking to audit

911
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:48,395
medicaid of all things. I actually didn't sign up to speak on the city hall subject

912
01:11:48,715 --> 01:11:52,535
today. I signed up to speak on the budget, but, uh,

913
01:11:53,035 --> 01:11:56,525
I assume that the city sec city secretary and their staff

914
01:11:57,135 --> 01:12:00,995
is overworked and underpaid just like everybody else here, except for

915
01:12:01,155 --> 01:12:04,815
the council members, of course. Uh, although the,

916
01:12:05,255 --> 01:12:09,135
uh, city hall issue is also a budget issue because for years the

917
01:12:09,355 --> 01:12:13,265
misappropriation of funds have contributed to this problem, um, that

918
01:12:13,745 --> 01:12:15,595
also could just be manufactured as well.

919
01:12:18,015 --> 01:12:21,975
so, uh, I don't really have anything else to add to

920
01:12:22,195 --> 01:12:26,105
the city hall issue. Everyone has said what they

921
01:12:26,425 --> 01:12:30,135
feel and what is right that you know, you guys are, um,

922
01:12:30,675 --> 01:12:34,515
unilaterally deciding something that should be in the hands of the people. That's your time. And

923
01:12:34,715 --> 01:12:38,715
I want to dispel this belief that if this money doesn't go, that's to the city hall, it's gonna go

924
01:12:38,835 --> 01:12:41,225
to us. It's not gonna go to us, it's gonna go to the cups.

925
01:12:43,025 --> 01:12:43,025
christina hahn,

926
01:12:51,595 --> 01:12:55,555
arts and culture are the defining lifeblood of a city. It's how we are seen

927
01:12:55,985 --> 01:12:59,925
and known to the rest of the world. Im pays. City hall is not only

928
01:13:00,205 --> 01:13:04,205
a landmark that reminds us about the contributions of asian americans to north texas,

929
01:13:04,535 --> 01:13:08,535
where we're the fastest growing population, but also social,

930
01:13:09,595 --> 01:13:12,835
cultural, and civic infrastructure that serves the needs of the people of dallas.

931
01:13:13,945 --> 01:13:17,425
from hosting public art activations that delight generations of dallasite

932
01:13:18,095 --> 01:13:21,995
to becoming a place of gathering for student photographers to even acting as the

933
01:13:22,195 --> 01:13:26,095
space in which a young rising filmmaker can build his world in our

934
01:13:26,315 --> 01:13:30,185
generation of dallasite, see and experience the value of our great city

935
01:13:30,475 --> 01:13:34,475
hall, we cherish our legacy and seek to build with it the truth

936
01:13:34,985 --> 01:13:38,635
that city hall is publicly owned by the people and for the use of everyday dallasite

937
01:13:39,115 --> 01:13:43,035
should not be taken lightly in the hands of private developers. What was

938
01:13:43,155 --> 01:13:46,795
once a place for the public to gather, to express themselves, to be seen is no longer

939
01:13:47,355 --> 01:13:51,145
guaranteed. We should not be blinded by short term profit over long term

940
01:13:51,435 --> 01:13:53,965
legacy. Your thank you. Thank you, peter young.

941
01:13:57,465 --> 01:14:01,335
peter young, it's not present. Lucy billingsley

942
01:14:02,015 --> 01:14:02,015
slate.

943
01:14:08,435 --> 01:14:12,115
lucy billingsley, 1722. Ruth street. City

944
01:14:12,475 --> 01:14:16,405
hall, as we know, has been a very poorly functioning building for a long

945
01:14:16,605 --> 01:14:19,765
time. It's inefficient and it's demoralizing

946
01:14:20,665 --> 01:14:24,565
to the employees. Repotting yourself in a different

947
01:14:25,045 --> 01:14:28,925
location will boost morale, increased productivity, and enhance

948
01:14:29,355 --> 01:14:33,245
results. Downtown is a much bigger problem

949
01:14:34,265 --> 01:14:38,095
and it's been sliding for so long. We need bold leadership

950
01:14:39,105 --> 01:14:42,845
to revive downtown. We need you to lead by example,

951
01:14:43,675 --> 01:14:47,645
help fill some vacant space, bring energy and people to the

952
01:14:48,005 --> 01:14:52,005
restaurants, and be ready to make more bold decisions as we

953
01:14:52,485 --> 01:14:56,205
increase that financial base and then turn this area into a viable

954
01:14:57,085 --> 01:15:00,965
economic district. I appreciate that. Let's let actions speak louder

955
01:15:01,245 --> 01:15:04,525
than words. Thank you. Thank you, author santa maria.

956
01:15:12,295 --> 01:15:16,245
good morning, mayor and council members. Today's vote should not be treated as

957
01:15:16,465 --> 01:15:20,305
a final decision on the future of city hall. It is a decision about

958
01:15:20,625 --> 01:15:24,025
whether dallas is willing to keep doing the work necessary to make a responsible

959
01:15:24,865 --> 01:15:28,545
decision. This site involves major taxpayer dollars,

960
01:15:29,445 --> 01:15:33,385
one of the city's most important public assets and choices that will

961
01:15:33,585 --> 01:15:37,285
affect dallas for decades. This means we need real information,

962
01:15:38,575 --> 01:15:42,485
costs, options, trade-offs, operational needs, redevelopment,

963
01:15:42,965 --> 01:15:46,905
potential, and long-term taxpayer value. Stopping the

964
01:15:47,125 --> 01:15:50,965
process now does not give dallas answers. It prevents the city

965
01:15:51,165 --> 01:15:54,935
from getting them. If repurposing the site creates the

966
01:15:55,275 --> 01:15:59,235
greatest public value, we should have the information properly vetted to make a

967
01:15:59,515 --> 01:16:03,415
decision on that. We should not make this decision based on fear, pressure, or

968
01:16:03,635 --> 01:16:07,555
incomplete, incomplete information. I urge you to vote yes to keep this

969
01:16:07,755 --> 01:16:11,525
process moving. Follow the facts and give dallas the opportunity to fully

970
01:16:12,315 --> 01:16:16,225
evaluate that your time is best for its taxpayers. Thank you, jim lake.

971
01:16:20,965 --> 01:16:24,605
good morning, mayor and city council members. My name is jim lake

972
01:16:25,315 --> 01:16:29,135
and I work and live in, uh, oak cliff. As someone who has spent a career

973
01:16:29,425 --> 01:16:33,095
evaluating investments, I can tell you the worst decision is making

974
01:16:33,495 --> 01:16:37,455
a major commitment without fully understanding your options. That's why

975
01:16:37,605 --> 01:16:41,295
today's action is so important. This site is one of the most

976
01:16:41,775 --> 01:16:45,685
valuable public assets in dallas. Before you make a long-term decision, city

977
01:16:45,975 --> 01:16:49,735
leaders need to understand the opportunities, costs, and trade-offs associated

978
01:16:50,255 --> 01:16:53,945
with every available path. And that's exactly what the votes today

979
01:16:54,295 --> 01:16:58,135
would permit. The work underway today is helping the city evaluate options,

980
01:16:58,605 --> 01:17:02,535
analyze costs, and gather all the data necessary to make the best decision

981
01:17:02,795 --> 01:17:06,775
for taxpayers and to activate our city's core by creating a

982
01:17:06,895 --> 01:17:10,845
destination rather than a concrete barrier. I encourage you

983
01:17:10,965 --> 01:17:14,825
to continue the process, continue, gather, gathering information, and

984
01:17:15,105 --> 01:17:18,545
say yes to downtown. Thank you. Thank you. Amanda moreno

985
01:17:19,525 --> 01:17:23,045
lake. Good morning. My name is amanda moreno lake.

986
01:17:23,785 --> 01:17:27,485
I'm a business owner and a resident of district one. First, I

987
01:17:27,805 --> 01:17:31,685
wanna take the time to thank the city manager and the city staff for their hard

988
01:17:31,965 --> 01:17:35,335
work. As a businesswoman, I have learned that major

989
01:17:36,005 --> 01:17:39,885
decisions should be based on facts and not emotions. Before committing

990
01:17:40,515 --> 01:17:44,325
significant resources, you gather information, you understand the

991
01:17:44,555 --> 01:17:48,425
cost, you evaluate the risk, and you carefully examine the

992
01:17:48,645 --> 01:17:52,405
opportunities. Over the several weeks, many have asked for more

993
01:17:52,685 --> 01:17:56,645
information about the future of city hall. This vote provides

994
01:17:57,265 --> 01:18:01,195
the city exactly that good leadership requires full

995
01:18:01,485 --> 01:18:04,365
understanding of the choices before making long-term

996
01:18:05,715 --> 01:18:09,075
commitments. I encourage you to please move this process forward

997
01:18:09,905 --> 01:18:13,485
and thank you very much. Thank you, city manager. We appreciate your hard work.

998
01:18:14,815 --> 01:18:15,835
thank you. Christopher weiss,

999
01:18:23,915 --> 01:18:27,085
the good morning mayor. City manager. City council members christopher weiss,

1000
01:18:28,255 --> 01:18:32,095
1419 griffin street, east southern district resident in district two,

1001
01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:36,775
and the business center in the cbd. Um, so imit, I'm a geek for

1002
01:18:36,895 --> 01:18:40,335
architecture. I would love to see this building saved and being used as part of the future of the city.

1003
01:18:41,155 --> 01:18:45,025
uh, I do wanna ask everyone who here in the hall, green or blue, would

1004
01:18:45,375 --> 01:18:49,255
like to see all the information gathered and brought together. Please raise your hands.

1005
01:18:50,775 --> 01:18:54,685
everyone wants all the information. I implore people here.

1006
01:18:55,355 --> 01:18:59,195
we need that information put together. We need a true comparative evaluation of the options for ccb

1007
01:18:59,415 --> 01:19:03,135
hall. No moving of goalposts, no pulling of funds from their budgets.

1008
01:19:03,535 --> 01:19:07,385
just true equal evaluation. Second, make this a bond referendum.

1009
01:19:08,245 --> 01:19:12,095
this needs to go to a vote. We've done this for other issues, including authorizing this city

1010
01:19:12,295 --> 01:19:16,245
hall. Let's do it again. Bring it to a vote of the people. Thank

1011
01:19:16,595 --> 01:19:19,995
you for your time. Thank you, simon. Matthew.

1012
01:19:25,125 --> 01:19:28,915
simon, matthew. I have some here.

1013
01:19:29,665 --> 01:19:33,595
okay. Uh, dallas should use the availables public capital to stabilize

1014
01:19:33,775 --> 01:19:37,675
the civic asset. We already own, not russian to relocation. Before the city

1015
01:19:37,975 --> 01:19:41,955
has proven that moving is the better deal. Arpa funds can be used to

1016
01:19:42,155 --> 01:19:45,675
help address mr. Matthew. I'm sorry, your video is not displaying.

1017
01:19:47,545 --> 01:19:51,455
okay, you may continue. Uh, arpa

1018
01:19:51,745 --> 01:19:55,605
funds can help use, uh, roof weatherization and hvac, uh,

1019
01:19:56,055 --> 01:20:00,005
necessities. We should also pursue cco lone star funding for

1020
01:20:00,505 --> 01:20:03,985
eligible energy efficiency upgrades. These are low interest state loans

1021
01:20:04,585 --> 01:20:08,365
designed for local governments that are far better fit for permanent improvements than paying

1022
01:20:08,645 --> 01:20:12,325
consultants to chase relocation plans. At the same time, we should

1023
01:20:12,765 --> 01:20:16,645
evaluate national historic registered designation because it may

1024
01:20:16,805 --> 01:20:20,645
open the door to preservation grants, technical assistance, and other outside capital opportunities

1025
01:20:21,205 --> 01:20:25,165
that does not guarantee money, but it can expand the city's options and

1026
01:20:25,365 --> 01:20:28,845
reduce the local burden if structured correctly. The point is simple.

1027
01:20:29,485 --> 01:20:32,885
stabilize city hall first, pursue outside capital where it fits the network

1028
01:20:33,905 --> 01:20:36,785
and require real side-by-side comparison before

1029
01:20:38,065 --> 01:20:41,625
are locked into decades of rent. That's your time. Thank you,

1030
01:20:43,465 --> 01:20:43,465
nicholas mclean.

1031
01:20:54,085 --> 01:20:57,355
all right. Good morning, council and mayor

1032
01:20:59,535 --> 01:21:02,455
architect. I am pe and mayor eric johnson

1033
01:21:03,905 --> 01:21:07,825
envision this building as more than an office space.

1034
01:21:08,175 --> 01:21:11,125
they envisioned it as the future of dallas.

1035
01:21:13,045 --> 01:21:17,045
if we preserve our cultural landmarks, we can pass them onto our children. And

1036
01:21:17,265 --> 01:21:21,265
if we demolish them or sell them off, then we leave our children

1037
01:21:21,615 --> 01:21:25,485
with a void where something great once stood. So

1038
01:21:26,555 --> 01:21:30,425
let's not have a disposable society. Let's make the

1039
01:21:30,625 --> 01:21:34,525
choice today to preserve our heritage that was handed to

1040
01:21:34,745 --> 01:21:37,545
us so that we can hand it on to our children as well.

1041
01:21:39,125 --> 01:21:42,855
we can make the necessary repairs and improvements this

1042
01:21:43,305 --> 01:21:47,135
building here and now we can create a bridge between

1043
01:21:47,805 --> 01:21:51,385
the people of the past, the people of the future. We can be that,

1044
01:21:52,455 --> 01:21:56,115
that john, god bless, god bless city all. Thank you. Thank

1045
01:21:56,465 --> 01:21:57,215
y'all, sean todd.

1046
01:22:07,255 --> 01:22:11,225
the last 10 years we've invested $1.5 billion into the core of downtown repurposing

1047
01:22:11,915 --> 01:22:15,555
over 30 buildings, including two functionally obsolete, decrepit

1048
01:22:16,395 --> 01:22:20,235
imp buildings. The numbers that have been presented to you to update

1049
01:22:20,595 --> 01:22:24,595
this property may seem shocking to many, but to those of us that are in the business, they're accurate.

1050
01:22:25,055 --> 01:22:28,915
you've had consultants with tremendous integrity of reviewing those numbers and they're

1051
01:22:29,155 --> 01:22:33,155
on spot. You have a chance to leverage the taxpayer's dollars into the corps of downtown and

1052
01:22:33,315 --> 01:22:36,915
bring vitality of several hundred city employees into the corps of downtown

1053
01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:40,835
and pick up a new facility, municipal facility

1054
01:22:41,455 --> 01:22:44,975
for a song. And the building owners will say,

1055
01:22:45,605 --> 01:22:49,435
thank you. Downtown is on its deathbed. It needs an injection

1056
01:22:49,735 --> 01:22:53,555
of life. None of you here are taking down city hall pays functionally

1057
01:22:53,825 --> 01:22:57,665
obsolescent design in years of neglect by others. None

1058
01:22:57,955 --> 01:23:01,715
of you have done that for us. Sadly. We're the largest preservation

1059
01:23:02,475 --> 01:23:06,115
developer in the southwest united states. We care about preservation. Your,

1060
01:23:06,505 --> 01:23:10,505
I'm thankful what councilman moreno and ridley have done downtown. Your please make the

1061
01:23:10,805 --> 01:23:14,065
decision, your move forward. Your thank you don. Dod

1062
01:23:17,685 --> 01:23:19,545
don do, it's not present.

1063
01:23:22,045 --> 01:23:23,565
andrew choat ter

1064
01:23:27,225 --> 01:23:30,995
andrew ter is not present. John

1065
01:23:31,315 --> 01:23:31,315
eichman.

1066
01:23:37,845 --> 01:23:40,285
john eichman, district nine.

1067
01:23:42,075 --> 01:23:45,105
I'm an attorney. I've practiced commercial litigation

1068
01:23:46,475 --> 01:23:50,145
in the central business district for 44 years.

1069
01:23:51,755 --> 01:23:55,335
the texas local government code prohibits the city

1070
01:23:56,245 --> 01:23:59,935
from selling the multi acre plaza in front of this

1071
01:24:00,495 --> 01:24:04,245
building. Unless dallas voters approve that sale.

1072
01:24:04,765 --> 01:24:08,575
because the plaza is either a park or a public

1073
01:24:08,915 --> 01:24:12,595
square, the plaza is unquestionably

1074
01:24:14,415 --> 01:24:18,295
a public square. If the city attempts to dispose

1075
01:24:18,755 --> 01:24:22,445
of that land in front of city hall, without

1076
01:24:23,105 --> 01:24:26,735
voter approval, the city and city council

1077
01:24:28,325 --> 01:24:32,095
will be sued. In my opinion, you will lose,

1078
01:24:33,035 --> 01:24:36,635
and if you appeal, you will lose again. That's

1079
01:24:37,055 --> 01:24:40,455
your time. Don't do that to our city.

1080
01:24:41,265 --> 01:24:43,335
thank you. Alex. Michaels.

1081
01:24:47,405 --> 01:24:51,215
alex michaels. It's not present. Peyton jackson,

1082
01:24:55,725 --> 01:24:59,335
peyton jackson. It's virtual. Good morning guys.

1083
01:25:00,665 --> 01:25:04,465
I wish I could join you, but I'm currently in virginia, but I just wanted

1084
01:25:04,725 --> 01:25:08,595
to come on to announce if the city actually cared

1085
01:25:08,955 --> 01:25:12,945
about your input, they would've just put this issue on the ballot. If they cared

1086
01:25:13,145 --> 01:25:17,025
about your input. The meeting wouldn't have been at eight o'clock this morning. If they cared about

1087
01:25:17,545 --> 01:25:20,025
your input, they wouldn't have given you 60 seconds

1088
01:25:21,805 --> 01:25:25,645
for to, to address your concerns. But they're giving you the

1089
01:25:26,065 --> 01:25:30,045
illusion of power, just like eric is using that hat as the illusion of

1090
01:25:30,265 --> 01:25:34,055
hair. But whatever you decide, whatever you decide, make

1091
01:25:34,345 --> 01:25:37,585
sure that we have better lighting and a better camera for our speakers.

1092
01:25:38,725 --> 01:25:41,955
god bless you all. Thank you, roseanne mills,

1093
01:25:44,175 --> 01:25:47,985
good morning. Thank you for the opportunity to address the mayor and council.

1094
01:25:48,405 --> 01:25:52,325
my name is roseanne mills. I'm a resident of district 14, not

1095
01:25:52,655 --> 01:25:56,645
paid for my time. I urged this counsel to vote no

1096
01:25:57,005 --> 01:26:00,755
on items one and two, or at least table these until

1097
01:26:01,105 --> 01:26:04,885
this is resolved in the courts. Eric with a

1098
01:26:05,165 --> 01:26:08,695
k johnson had a vision for a grand civic space

1099
01:26:09,225 --> 01:26:13,045
in the aftermath of the kennedy assassination. I'm a native

1100
01:26:13,245 --> 01:26:16,805
dallas site of over 60 years, and the kennedy assassination

1101
01:26:17,465 --> 01:26:21,355
is my first memory. I, uh, encourage

1102
01:26:22,635 --> 01:26:26,505
that this city council move away from the

1103
01:26:27,275 --> 01:26:31,065
neglect or failure to maintain. Do not

1104
01:26:31,565 --> 01:26:35,025
loot $3 million from arpa funds to,

1105
01:26:35,825 --> 01:26:39,485
uh, this endeavor and use those funds for the original

1106
01:26:40,205 --> 01:26:44,125
intended purpose to repair city hall in addition to the other

1107
01:26:45,055 --> 01:26:48,965
$3 million of arpa funds. Thank you for your time today. Thank

1108
01:26:49,245 --> 01:26:50,715
you. Thank you. Matthew jacobs.

1109
01:26:54,725 --> 01:26:58,575
matthew jacobs is not on virtual, not in the audience

1110
01:26:59,475 --> 01:27:01,895
not present. Jorge cruz s

1111
01:27:05,115 --> 01:27:08,725
yes. Hello. I had a question regarding

1112
01:27:11,925 --> 01:27:14,865
rules and procedures because from

1113
01:27:16,085 --> 01:27:18,755
protection of the charter, I'm going to submit

1114
01:27:20,155 --> 01:27:23,475
a proposal on how the attorneys

1115
01:27:24,575 --> 01:27:28,375
or how critical charter violations are

1116
01:27:28,605 --> 01:27:32,575
responding to council rules that are not reasonably not

1117
01:27:32,795 --> 01:27:36,655
given reasonable opportunity for citizens to be heard. Yet

1118
01:27:36,955 --> 01:27:40,875
speakers are being denied adequate time and stakeholder findings are not

1119
01:27:41,075 --> 01:27:44,875
being acknowledged. So the presiding officer, may I remind you, has primary

1120
01:27:45,255 --> 01:27:49,195
responsibility for ensuring rules are followed, but this is

1121
01:27:49,355 --> 01:27:53,195
not happening. So it brings to question all these openings that

1122
01:27:53,735 --> 01:27:56,915
the legal department has. So I believe this council

1123
01:27:57,935 --> 01:28:00,875
is left without adequate counsel. So this raises serious concerns

1124
01:28:02,085 --> 01:28:05,895
about whether the city has a legal capacity to negotiate complex pre-acquisition

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01:28:06,875 --> 01:28:10,785
agreements protected. That's your time. Protect

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01:28:11,275 --> 01:28:15,235
the public interest and ensure that thank you side of

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01:28:15,395 --> 01:28:15,395
ba

1128
01:28:20,175 --> 01:28:24,065
ra. Good morning. There is no urgency here. None.

1129
01:28:24,855 --> 01:28:28,675
dallas city hall is occupied and functioning today. It is not on fire.

1130
01:28:29,105 --> 01:28:32,845
it's not condemned. And yet this council is being asked to divert 3 million

1131
01:28:33,695 --> 01:28:37,675
in city hall repair dollars towards pre-acquisition agreements. For a relocation

1132
01:28:38,625 --> 01:28:42,555
that is fiscally irresponsible. The numbers don't support it.

1133
01:28:43,095 --> 01:28:47,075
the billion dollar figure falls in costs that don't apply to a building you continue

1134
01:28:47,195 --> 01:28:51,115
to occupy. A face maintenance plan of 15 to 20 million a year

1135
01:28:51,695 --> 01:28:55,145
can address critical systems immediately at a fraction of the relocation cost.

1136
01:28:55,855 --> 01:28:59,735
and relocation is not a clean solution. Leasing never ends. Buying

1137
01:29:00,175 --> 01:29:04,085
an existing building building doesn't solve the problem. It moves it. You will still pay to

1138
01:29:04,245 --> 01:29:08,205
retrofit a private office tower into a functioning civic hall. You're being asked to

1139
01:29:08,365 --> 01:29:12,325
go find a problem you don't know the cost of instead of solving the one in front

1140
01:29:12,485 --> 01:29:16,325
of you. Keep city hall here, keeping city hall here sustained the public

1141
01:29:16,565 --> 01:29:20,435
investment, foot traffic and institutional presence at that's your time. Depends

1142
01:29:20,945 --> 01:29:24,815
on thank you. City hall. Abandon that commitment. Thank you. Thank

1143
01:29:25,165 --> 01:29:28,895
you. Your final speaker will be speaker number 29, tabitha curel.

1144
01:29:36,105 --> 01:29:39,785
this is a document from 1974 that,

1145
01:29:40,135 --> 01:29:44,115
uh, is about our city. Just wanna read a little bit from it. Dallas is a

1146
01:29:44,235 --> 01:29:48,075
city whose physical fabric conceals for the most part, the diversities among its residents.

1147
01:29:49,015 --> 01:29:52,105
unlike many older cities who have become famous for their barrios,

1148
01:29:53,325 --> 01:29:57,195
chinatowns, little italy's, the fast growth of our city has created an urban

1149
01:29:57,395 --> 01:30:01,275
fabric, which does not visibly vary according to the uniqueness

1150
01:30:01,895 --> 01:30:03,575
of the people who live within it.

1151
01:30:07,175 --> 01:30:10,565
I'm working on a project with someone and we're

1152
01:30:11,355 --> 01:30:14,515
examining, um, development and growth.

1153
01:30:15,375 --> 01:30:19,195
my name is tam aker. I'm from district five. The first poet lo created

1154
01:30:19,635 --> 01:30:23,455
a beautiful visual poem and tribute to our city called the city as a poem. But

1155
01:30:23,675 --> 01:30:27,515
mostly the poem I'm thinking about recently is a dream deferred, but maybe

1156
01:30:27,835 --> 01:30:31,305
a new poem that I will write called a dream dismissed. Communities

1157
01:30:32,015 --> 01:30:35,705
in southern and west dallas have been dealing with lack of care in their communities with similar deceptive

1158
01:30:36,555 --> 01:30:40,115
practices. And to see counsel, that's your time, replicate those harmful

1159
01:30:40,755 --> 01:30:44,035
practices and not care about us. That's your time. It's disheartening.

1160
01:30:45,125 --> 01:30:49,115
thank you mr. Mayor. This concludes your speakers for this item,

1161
01:30:49,815 --> 01:30:53,685
but alright, then we'll

1162
01:30:54,035 --> 01:30:58,035
move on to our voting agenda. Mayor. Thank you mr. Mayor. Yes. For what

1163
01:30:58,235 --> 01:31:01,955
purpose? Um, I'd just like to notify the chair that our, um, technology's

1164
01:31:02,755 --> 01:31:06,635
not activated to be able to ring in. Actually, they're, they're

1165
01:31:06,915 --> 01:31:10,835
coming around now to fix that. I think they're, they're trying to work on that. I don't have it

1166
01:31:11,135 --> 01:31:15,025
up either. It didn't do your mic's off? Still work,

1167
01:31:15,855 --> 01:31:19,435
but we can't see the queue, so just bear with me.

1168
01:31:45,045 --> 01:31:48,835
thank you mr. Mayor. Agenda item

1169
01:31:49,255 --> 01:31:53,115
one. It's a resolution one to authorize

1170
01:31:53,595 --> 01:31:57,475
the city manager to negotiate and execute pre-acquisition agreements

1171
01:31:58,385 --> 01:32:02,155
that define the terms, responsibilities, and cost sharing between

1172
01:32:02,665 --> 01:32:06,355
the property owners and the city of dallas in order to conduct necessary

1173
01:32:07,065 --> 01:32:10,735
due diligence work for no more than four property location sites

1174
01:32:11,705 --> 01:32:15,505
in the dallas central business district for the purpose of assessing the

1175
01:32:16,005 --> 01:32:19,485
relocation option for city hall staff and functions

1176
01:32:20,195 --> 01:32:23,545
from 1500 marilla street to

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01:32:24,445 --> 01:32:27,425
transfer appropriations in an amount not to exceed $2 million

1178
01:32:28,955 --> 01:32:32,675
from the arpa city hall generation electrical repair line

1179
01:32:32,965 --> 01:32:36,505
item to a new arpa city hall pre-acquisition

1180
01:32:37,515 --> 01:32:41,305
line item and authorized disbursement of payments to

1181
01:32:41,525 --> 01:32:45,235
conduct such due diligence for the sites, including cost

1182
01:32:45,885 --> 01:32:49,525
reimbursement to the property owners for the performance of due diligence

1183
01:32:50,045 --> 01:32:53,965
deliverables. And three, to direct the city manager to bring

1184
01:32:54,465 --> 01:32:57,965
the due diligence results to city council for their consideration

1185
01:32:58,825 --> 01:33:01,645
not to exceed $2 million. This is your item, mr. Mayor,

1186
01:33:03,125 --> 01:33:06,725
chairman west. For what purpose? For a motion you recognize. For a motion.

1187
01:33:07,855 --> 01:33:11,125
thank you mayor. I move to approve this item with the following change.

1188
01:33:12,075 --> 01:33:15,925
authorize the city manager to transfer funds in an amount not to

1189
01:33:16,085 --> 01:33:19,565
exceed $2 million from the general fund contingency reserve fund

1190
01:33:20,145 --> 01:33:24,045
to the general fund and increase appropriations in an amount not to exceed

1191
01:33:24,385 --> 01:33:28,235
$2 million in facilities and real estate management from general fund

1192
01:33:28,715 --> 01:33:32,565
contingency reserve fund. Second, it's been moved in

1193
01:33:32,725 --> 01:33:36,485
seconds during discussion. Chairman, we recognize for five minutes for the public we're on item a

1194
01:33:37,295 --> 01:33:40,865
thank you of the special call meeting. Uh, first before I have com

1195
01:33:42,165 --> 01:33:46,085
comments, I have a couple of questions. Um, so I want to

1196
01:33:46,265 --> 01:33:49,915
let the city manager take a moment and explain exactly what

1197
01:33:50,365 --> 01:33:54,285
this item does do and does not do. Um, I want to clarify with the

1198
01:33:54,405 --> 01:33:58,105
city manager that this does not, there's a word execute pre-acquisition

1199
01:33:59,095 --> 01:34:02,725
agreements here. My understanding is that there, this is not a final

1200
01:34:03,285 --> 01:34:07,085
decision, this is not a final decision to move out, but this is a, an authorization

1201
01:34:07,905 --> 01:34:11,605
for your team to go out and collect the apples to apples

1202
01:34:12,005 --> 01:34:15,895
information that so many people, um, including public today

1203
01:34:16,245 --> 01:34:20,055
have been asking for point of information. State

1204
01:34:20,405 --> 01:34:24,045
your point of information. Um, may the motion be passed out to all the council members, please?

1205
01:34:24,625 --> 01:34:28,485
of course. Uh, I assume they can. I don't know if it's, I don't, I don't have one,

1206
01:34:28,645 --> 01:34:30,885
so I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's in progress.

1207
01:34:36,905 --> 01:34:40,725
go ahead. Thank you. Um, thank you for the question. Council member, uh, west the items before

1208
01:34:41,125 --> 01:34:43,685
you today represent the next steps that evaluating potential alternatives.

1209
01:34:45,205 --> 01:34:49,145
specifically these two resolutions with authorized staff to use up

1210
01:34:49,425 --> 01:34:53,165
to the $3 million available funds to negotiate pre-acquisition agreements

1211
01:34:54,105 --> 01:34:57,925
and perform the additional due diligence for four potential sites

1212
01:34:58,205 --> 01:35:02,125
for city hall functions and up to four potential sites for 9 1 1 and emergency

1213
01:35:02,565 --> 01:35:06,445
operations. Thank you for the opportunity to note that these

1214
01:35:06,895 --> 01:35:10,805
items today do not authorize the purchase of any property.

1215
01:35:11,185 --> 01:35:14,645
rather, it allows for staff to continue working with our consulting team

1216
01:35:15,465 --> 01:35:19,325
to conduct the additional due diligence that council has requested over the last

1217
01:35:19,505 --> 01:35:23,415
few weeks to have a better understanding of the opportunities, constraints, costs,

1218
01:35:24,105 --> 01:35:27,955
and the suitability of any potential sites. We would then come back

1219
01:35:28,305 --> 01:35:32,085
to the city council with the results of that work that would bring

1220
01:35:32,405 --> 01:35:35,925
information that council has been requesting for your consideration

1221
01:35:36,665 --> 01:35:40,445
and any potential future acquisitions or relocation decisions would still

1222
01:35:40,685 --> 01:35:44,325
be made by the council. I hope that answers your question. Um, council member west.

1223
01:35:45,105 --> 01:35:49,045
yes, it does mostly. Um, thank you for that. I may have the, have the city attorney

1224
01:35:49,125 --> 01:35:53,085
chime in on this as well, but the, the wording in here about

1225
01:35:53,715 --> 01:35:57,525
executing a pre-acquisition agreement, what does that encompass

1226
01:35:58,115 --> 01:35:58,115
exactly,

1227
01:36:05,065 --> 01:36:09,005
mr. Mayor, I'm gonna ask connie tankersley from our real estate department to come and answer that to make

1228
01:36:09,165 --> 01:36:10,805
it succinct and accurate.

1229
01:36:18,485 --> 01:36:22,265
connie kerley with city attorney's office pre-acquisition because you're considering,

1230
01:36:22,885 --> 01:36:26,525
uh, different models, possibly a lease, a purchase, a lease to

1231
01:36:27,025 --> 01:36:30,535
purchase. Those are all acquisition transactions. So that encompasses

1232
01:36:31,285 --> 01:36:34,985
any consideration of those. Okay. So by authorizing

1233
01:36:35,525 --> 01:36:39,505
the city manager to execute pre-acquisition agreements, does that

1234
01:36:39,845 --> 01:36:43,765
in any way, um, allow the city manager or

1235
01:36:43,985 --> 01:36:47,845
her team to bind us to, uh, a relocation option? No, that's

1236
01:36:48,265 --> 01:36:52,095
just another way of saying conducting pre-acquisition diligence. So what

1237
01:36:52,385 --> 01:36:55,755
exactly what she explained earlier. Yes. So any final

1238
01:36:56,505 --> 01:37:00,295
decision on relocation, just like on renovating and staying here will

1239
01:37:00,585 --> 01:37:04,485
come back to the council. It does require another city council resolution. Thank you. Yes.

1240
01:37:07,065 --> 01:37:10,995
okay. Um, so as I wanted to get that cleared up on

1241
01:37:11,155 --> 01:37:14,915
the record, 'cause there's been a lot of confusion, um, that's been expressed to me on exactly

1242
01:37:16,025 --> 01:37:18,695
what that item means and what it doesn't mean. So

1243
01:37:20,295 --> 01:37:24,125
as clarified approving today's first item will give everyone those

1244
01:37:24,475 --> 01:37:28,095
who wanna stay in the building, no matter the cost, and those who want to move out,

1245
01:37:28,775 --> 01:37:32,705
um, and everybody else who's somewhere in the middle, the information we truly need

1246
01:37:32,995 --> 01:37:36,755
to make an informed decision approving item one will allow cbre

1247
01:37:37,315 --> 01:37:40,795
to negotiate lease options and bring back a final number in august

1248
01:37:41,335 --> 01:37:45,115
so we can understand what it would cost to lease to own a new office.

1249
01:37:46,305 --> 01:37:50,155
it's been a long process and I wish c city leadership had done a better job

1250
01:37:50,715 --> 01:37:54,655
communicating with the public throughout this process. If we approve item one,

1251
01:37:55,225 --> 01:37:59,145
we can finally have the apples to apples comparison that we all want. And

1252
01:37:59,365 --> 01:38:03,245
then so many people, including people on both sides who came

1253
01:38:03,495 --> 01:38:07,405
today, have been asking for, and we will finally have some additional transparency

1254
01:38:08,235 --> 01:38:12,015
that is long overdue. The one main concern I have about

1255
01:38:12,365 --> 01:38:16,225
the item is originally proposed by staff is the source of funds. It,

1256
01:38:16,585 --> 01:38:20,515
it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to use funds dedicated to city hall repairs

1257
01:38:21,305 --> 01:38:25,045
for this endeavor because it implies we have given up on repairing city hall.

1258
01:38:25,915 --> 01:38:29,765
like many of my colleagues, I have not made up my mind, as I've said for over six months

1259
01:38:29,985 --> 01:38:33,885
now, I'm waiting for an apples to apples comparison before making this incredibly

1260
01:38:34,365 --> 01:38:37,925
important fiscal decision for our city. That is why I propose

1261
01:38:38,445 --> 01:38:42,445
changing the source of funds to ensure that we move forward with city hall. If we move

1262
01:38:42,635 --> 01:38:46,365
forward with city hall repairs, we have some funds dedicated for that

1263
01:38:46,925 --> 01:38:50,565
endeavor to kickoff because we know it will cost hundreds of millions

1264
01:38:50,945 --> 01:38:54,885
of dollars to fix this building. Today's vote is not a vote, vote to

1265
01:38:55,045 --> 01:38:59,045
move out of city hall or demolish this iconic building. It's a vote to give both

1266
01:38:59,285 --> 01:39:02,925
city council and the public the transparent apples to apples comparison.

1267
01:39:03,905 --> 01:39:06,085
we continue to ask for thank you. Point of information.

1268
01:39:08,255 --> 01:39:11,585
state your point of information, um, having received the written motion,

1269
01:39:12,505 --> 01:39:16,405
um, I don't see, and, and, and having heard the comments, I

1270
01:39:16,525 --> 01:39:20,445
don't see that there's a swapping of dollars. It looks like there's an

1271
01:39:20,605 --> 01:39:24,505
additional $2 million. So I don't see where it removes the

1272
01:39:24,725 --> 01:39:28,525
ar pa, there's no substitute and I'm trying to understand what the actual

1273
01:39:28,845 --> 01:39:30,955
motion is. Is it now to have $4 million,

1274
01:39:33,155 --> 01:39:36,645
two from two different sources, or is it replacing the 2 million arpa?

1275
01:39:39,245 --> 01:39:43,175
I'll let you explain your own motion, but I I don't see the, I don't see what you're reading. I heard what he said.

1276
01:39:43,495 --> 01:39:47,055
I don't see what you have in writing in front of you because I don't, I didn't get a copy for some reason.

1277
01:39:47,555 --> 01:39:51,545
but anyway, go ahead and explain what your, the motion is, what he said. Mayor,

1278
01:39:51,925 --> 01:39:55,755
I'll thank you. I'll explain my intent and then I'll ask city attorney to explain the

1279
01:39:55,975 --> 01:39:59,875
effect. My intent is to swap out the 2 million, um, that is

1280
01:40:00,925 --> 01:40:04,485
read in the item that was originally written by the city manager for arpa,

1281
01:40:05,205 --> 01:40:08,655
city hall generation electrical repair for 2 million from contingency

1282
01:40:09,215 --> 01:40:12,565
funds. But can you show where it says you're swapping it? 'cause it only says

1283
01:40:13,235 --> 01:40:16,815
on the written motion. Okay. This is, he has the floor right now. You've asked point of information.

1284
01:40:17,255 --> 01:40:21,175
thank you. So that was my intent and I would just defer to city attorney on

1285
01:40:21,375 --> 01:40:24,855
the second part of our question. Okay. We'll let the city attorney if you would like to explain further,

1286
01:40:25,435 --> 01:40:28,655
but otherwise we'll recognize you just now and you'll have the floor.

1287
01:40:31,515 --> 01:40:35,135
mr. Mayor, we worked with, uh, the cfo on this.

1288
01:40:35,635 --> 01:40:39,515
and while I believe this is sort of finance speak, the

1289
01:40:39,735 --> 01:40:43,655
intent was to swap out the arpa funds for the general

1290
01:40:43,965 --> 01:40:47,895
fund reserve. That that's what this, so the point of information, I

1291
01:40:48,015 --> 01:40:51,915
mean this is a legal motion and so I'm asking not what the intent is, but

1292
01:40:52,135 --> 01:40:55,925
what the words are. And when it says that you're only authorizing

1293
01:40:56,665 --> 01:41:00,575
new things and we already have a motion that was read in that already authorized

1294
01:41:01,305 --> 01:41:05,245
2 million from arpa and then this is authorizing the change,

1295
01:41:05,785 --> 01:41:09,475
but it's authorizing additional money from, from the general fund

1296
01:41:10,345 --> 01:41:14,145
and I don't see where it's swapping. So

1297
01:41:14,365 --> 01:41:18,365
I think the motion is not, I'll let attempt to explain it one more time, but then I'm going to give you the

1298
01:41:18,525 --> 01:41:21,925
floor and you can use your time to ask any questions you want staff.

1299
01:41:26,125 --> 01:41:30,115
while I see that it doesn't actually specify that it is, you are

1300
01:41:30,435 --> 01:41:34,355
correct, it does not clearly state that it is swapping the funds. That was

1301
01:41:34,515 --> 01:41:38,395
the intent and we could, we could amend the motion

1302
01:41:38,935 --> 01:41:42,635
if, if that would, if the maker would be happy with that. To just clarify that it is

1303
01:41:43,115 --> 01:41:47,035
swapping the funds in the, in the posted item for these funds. I'm fine with

1304
01:41:47,155 --> 01:41:50,715
that. So can you do that?

1305
01:41:51,255 --> 01:41:54,995
um, do you, do you want to, if the, if the body doesn't object,

1306
01:41:55,295 --> 01:41:59,065
we can let you amend your motion. But I want to know that that's what you want your

1307
01:41:59,355 --> 01:42:02,595
motion, uh, if that, yes, mayor, I'm fine with that. Any objection?

1308
01:42:03,745 --> 01:42:07,675
hearing none. It's so ordered. So I think it

1309
01:42:07,915 --> 01:42:10,635
would be helpful though to, you know, restate it

1310
01:42:12,895 --> 01:42:16,755
in an accurate way for your intent to be reflected in the words.

1311
01:42:17,775 --> 01:42:21,355
so then we can proceed without having any burn up more time. Just to clarify,

1312
01:42:22,455 --> 01:42:26,355
I'm gonna make sure, mayor, if it's okay with you to have city attorney write it up

1313
01:42:26,495 --> 01:42:29,835
so I'm not winging it on the fly. Just if, if that's all right.

1314
01:42:30,775 --> 01:42:34,635
but we can still, we can still discuss the motion as you, as you've expressed

1315
01:42:35,155 --> 01:42:38,975
your intent orally. But we want the written motion to

1316
01:42:39,195 --> 01:42:42,915
reflect what you're saying. There's a mismatch between what you're saying

1317
01:42:43,575 --> 01:42:47,365
and what this appears to say. So while

1318
01:42:47,715 --> 01:42:51,575
we're working on this, we're, we're, what we're debating and

1319
01:42:51,795 --> 01:42:55,555
operating on is what you've said because that's the motion that was actually

1320
01:42:55,855 --> 01:42:59,675
stated. So this, this does, this is a visual aid, but your,

1321
01:43:00,065 --> 01:43:03,795
your motion is what you said with your mouth. So I'm going to give mayor my intent

1322
01:43:04,215 --> 01:43:07,895
is actually to amend the motion. So if we could have it properly stated before

1323
01:43:08,315 --> 01:43:12,235
the amendment, that might help keep things in order. Well, I need him

1324
01:43:12,455 --> 01:43:16,165
to, to, to make his new motion then expressing

1325
01:43:16,835 --> 01:43:20,595
his intent. 'cause we've just agreed to allow, allow him to do that by acclimation.

1326
01:43:23,695 --> 01:43:27,445
mayor, just as a point of order, I would just ask if we could pause, which it seems like we're

1327
01:43:27,725 --> 01:43:31,525
doing so we could, since you wanna read, you just wanna read it off the papers is what you're

1328
01:43:31,835 --> 01:43:35,075
that would do. I would prefer to read it after it's been vetted by the city attorney. Okay,

1329
01:43:36,115 --> 01:43:39,945
then we will, let's take a recess then for

1330
01:43:40,635 --> 01:43:44,265
five minutes to 10 40. Give them time to revise

1331
01:43:44,685 --> 01:43:48,675
it so you can read it right off the paper. I would encourage you to do exactly that

1332
01:43:48,965 --> 01:43:52,005
though, if that's, if that's, um, easier for everyone.

1333
01:43:53,155 --> 01:43:56,605
alright, it's 10 48 and we're back

1334
01:43:57,345 --> 01:44:01,195
in, uh, session for the special call meeting and I'm gonna recognize chairman west

1335
01:44:01,755 --> 01:44:05,325
with his motion. Thank you mayor.

1336
01:44:07,525 --> 01:44:11,135
I move to approve this item with the following, change to the source of funds

1337
01:44:11,705 --> 01:44:15,045
by eliminating reference to the transfer of arpa funds.

1338
01:44:15,745 --> 01:44:19,725
and instead authorize the city manager to transfer funds in an

1339
01:44:19,885 --> 01:44:23,885
amount not to exceed $2 million from the general fund contingency reserve fund to the general

1340
01:44:24,155 --> 01:44:28,005
fund and increase appropriations in an amount not to exceed

1341
01:44:28,285 --> 01:44:32,245
$2 million in facilities and real estate management from general fund contingency reserve

1342
01:44:32,635 --> 01:44:36,565
fund. Is there a second? Second. It's been moved and seconded.

1343
01:44:37,245 --> 01:44:40,975
chairman west, you recognized for five minutes to explain your motion. Thank

1344
01:44:41,325 --> 01:44:44,605
you, mayor. Uh, same explanation as before. We just added in clarification,

1345
01:44:45,745 --> 01:44:48,945
um, that the arpa fund language is now

1346
01:44:50,075 --> 01:44:54,005
very specifically removed and instead there, there is a substitute amount coming

1347
01:44:54,355 --> 01:44:57,965
from the general fund contingency reserves for this allocation.

1348
01:44:59,135 --> 01:45:03,045
chairwoman mendelson you recognize for five minutes. Thank you. I move to amend the

1349
01:45:03,165 --> 01:45:06,445
motion to require any property considered for relocation

1350
01:45:07,545 --> 01:45:10,265
be built after the opening of our current city hall. Second,

1351
01:45:11,785 --> 01:45:15,645
it, it's been moved and seconded. We're now on

1352
01:45:15,805 --> 01:45:19,795
an amendment by chairwoman mendelssohn, you

1353
01:45:20,295 --> 01:45:24,145
recognize for five minutes to explain your amendment? Thank you. We've

1354
01:45:24,495 --> 01:45:28,415
been told over and over by council members and staff that this less than 50-year-old

1355
01:45:29,255 --> 01:45:33,115
building is too old. It's at the end of its life. And of course, we

1356
01:45:33,335 --> 01:45:37,335
would wanna honor their consistent message by not moving into a

1357
01:45:37,575 --> 01:45:40,495
building that is even older than the one we have. Thank you.

1358
01:45:42,395 --> 01:45:45,775
anyone else wishing to speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelson?

1359
01:45:47,775 --> 01:45:51,175
a record book for everything would be, uh, sure. I would like to ask that

1360
01:45:52,555 --> 01:45:56,375
for everything we do today. Everything we do today. Thank you. Uh, of course.

1361
01:45:56,955 --> 01:46:00,135
anyone else? Seeing none? Madam secretary, please call the role.

1362
01:46:01,145 --> 01:46:05,095
thank you mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you

1363
01:46:05,175 --> 01:46:08,725
oppose council member west. No. Council

1364
01:46:09,215 --> 01:46:13,005
member moreno? No. Council member gracie? No. Council

1365
01:46:13,495 --> 01:46:17,465
member kana? Yes. Council member basil

1366
01:46:17,915 --> 01:46:20,965
doa is absent? Yes. Okay,

1367
01:46:22,185 --> 01:46:25,035
thank you. Council member blair? No.

1368
01:46:26,365 --> 01:46:30,175
council member blackman? Yes. Council member stewart?

1369
01:46:31,275 --> 01:46:33,645
no. Council member roth

1370
01:46:35,315 --> 01:46:38,525
is absent when vote taken. Council member mendelson?

1371
01:46:39,555 --> 01:46:41,635
yes. Council member willis?

1372
01:46:44,155 --> 01:46:48,155
no. Council member ridley? Yes. Deputy

1373
01:46:48,625 --> 01:46:50,905
mayor pro tem johnson? No.

1374
01:46:53,055 --> 01:46:56,935
mayor pro tem resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No.

1375
01:46:58,625 --> 01:46:59,505
council member roth?

1376
01:47:04,915 --> 01:47:08,205
we don't get to discuss that? Yes.

1377
01:47:10,395 --> 01:47:10,745
thank you.

1378
01:47:16,015 --> 01:47:19,595
with six voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails mr. Mayor.

1379
01:47:20,495 --> 01:47:24,425
alright, we're back on the original item. Chairwoman mendelson. Thank you.

1380
01:47:24,785 --> 01:47:28,145
I move to amend the motion to require any property considered,

1381
01:47:29,055 --> 01:47:32,875
have sufficient parking designated for the city of dallas equal

1382
01:47:33,325 --> 01:47:37,185
to as many employees expected to occupy the building plus visitors

1383
01:47:37,685 --> 01:47:41,485
in secure underground parking or connected parking with secure access.

1384
01:47:42,925 --> 01:47:46,385
so we moved in second. Any discussion? Chairwoman mendelssohn? I think it's pretty self-evident.

1385
01:47:47,035 --> 01:47:50,545
thank you. Okay. Uh, ms. Blackman, you recognize for five minutes on the amendment.

1386
01:47:52,905 --> 01:47:56,825
uh, my question is, is what is our parking threshold right now? Just for

1387
01:47:57,045 --> 01:47:58,765
clarification in this building?

1388
01:48:09,585 --> 01:48:13,315
good morning, john johnson. We have around 1,445 parking spots in the underground

1389
01:48:13,735 --> 01:48:17,635
garage, of which 49 are visitor spots. Okay. And

1390
01:48:17,795 --> 01:48:21,415
how many for car for the fleet? I don't have that broken down for you. Um,

1391
01:48:21,855 --> 01:48:25,835
and so how, what is the square footage of all that? Uh, let me grab

1392
01:48:26,035 --> 01:48:27,395
my binder and I can't answer that for you. One moment.

1393
01:48:45,235 --> 01:48:49,185
there's around 750,000 square foot of the garage. 700 and

1394
01:48:49,405 --> 01:48:53,245
what? 50,000. Okay. And how does that include the spots

1395
01:48:53,465 --> 01:48:57,365
in the back as well? Or is that just the garage? That's just the garage. So how many's in the back?

1396
01:48:57,765 --> 01:49:01,685
I don't have the horseshoe for you. I'm sorry. Okay. 'cause if we're trying to get

1397
01:49:01,845 --> 01:49:05,835
a total number of spots and that's considered public parking, correct? It's

1398
01:49:06,125 --> 01:49:09,965
metered parking. So it'd be public, it could be used for anything for visitors,

1399
01:49:10,165 --> 01:49:13,995
for special events, for anyone who's visiting downtown as long as they pay the meter. Okay.

1400
01:49:14,345 --> 01:49:18,165
and how much do people pay right now to park in the garage? I'm sorry. Oh, in the garage? Mm-hmm

1401
01:49:18,565 --> 01:49:22,545
. There is no charge. No charge at all. No charge. So,

1402
01:49:23,185 --> 01:49:26,155
uh, um, is there gonna be charge to our employees if we move?

1403
01:49:27,225 --> 01:49:31,125
can I jump in please? Thank you so much for the question. Councilman. Um, blackman that has not been

1404
01:49:31,285 --> 01:49:34,925
decided. There's no location that has been voted on by this body

1405
01:49:35,305 --> 01:49:39,005
and so we will not be, be able, I'm trying to give you feedback that we probably should keep it the status

1406
01:49:39,465 --> 01:49:43,385
quo if we're gonna move, if, if that's a policy decision of the council going to

1407
01:49:43,605 --> 01:49:46,925
forward. So I want for you to vote on that. Is that what you're telling me? Yes. 'cause that's not been decided.

1408
01:49:47,645 --> 01:49:51,525
I would like to amend it to say that there should be no parking payments by our

1409
01:49:51,775 --> 01:49:54,365
staff to keep it the status quo. If we move

1410
01:49:55,785 --> 01:49:59,785
second. Hold on one second. Unless you

1411
01:49:59,985 --> 01:50:00,585
can restate her motion.

1412
01:50:07,165 --> 01:50:10,905
so it's been moved and seconded. So we're now on an amendment to the amendment by ms. Blackman,

1413
01:50:11,305 --> 01:50:15,165
you recognize for five minutes? Well, I, I feel that if, if employees are not

1414
01:50:15,415 --> 01:50:18,525
parking and, um, back to mr. Johnson

1415
01:50:20,005 --> 01:50:23,905
or anybody, what is the going rate for parking downtown?

1416
01:50:26,135 --> 01:50:30,025
does anybody have that? That is not information

1417
01:50:30,465 --> 01:50:34,105
that we have available, uh, at this time for this item. Councilwoman, uh, blackman.

1418
01:50:34,975 --> 01:50:38,715
okay. So I would say probably, yeah, but we would, we would bring that back as part of if council moves

1419
01:50:39,065 --> 01:50:42,945
forward with this additional due diligence, we would be able to bring that information

1420
01:50:43,465 --> 01:50:46,665
back to the body. Um, 'cause I would think it's probably 150

1421
01:50:47,505 --> 01:50:51,305
a month. So that would be almost, what, $1,700 coming

1422
01:50:51,765 --> 01:50:55,345
out of $1,800 coming out of a check that somebody has to pay for parking.

1423
01:50:56,425 --> 01:51:00,185
I I would say that we would, should at least keep it the status quo where parking

1424
01:51:01,125 --> 01:51:04,095
is either still free or at a minimal

1425
01:51:05,215 --> 01:51:09,145
cost because, um, parking downtown, as we know, is expensive

1426
01:51:10,085 --> 01:51:13,665
and it can eat into a check of somebody who is an admin here.

1427
01:51:14,415 --> 01:51:18,205
does anybody know what is our average, um, I guess this is an hr

1428
01:51:18,665 --> 01:51:21,655
question, the average salary of an employee here.

1429
01:51:24,735 --> 01:51:28,605
again, that's information that we don't have available right at this moment. We're more than

1430
01:51:28,765 --> 01:51:32,685
happy to provide that to you, councilman blackman and any other questions

1431
01:51:32,885 --> 01:51:36,635
that we don't answer around the horseshoe related to this item? Okay,

1432
01:51:36,935 --> 01:51:40,875
thank you. Ms. Kna, did

1433
01:51:41,155 --> 01:51:44,475
you wanna be recognized on the amendment to the amendment or on the,

1434
01:51:45,215 --> 01:51:48,675
uh, original amendment? Because I saw you before amendment to the amendment.

1435
01:51:49,235 --> 01:51:52,475
I have questions on that. Okay. You're recognized for five minutes on the amendment to the amendment.

1436
01:51:53,305 --> 01:51:56,935
okay. Uh, do employees at other locations pay for parking? Um,

1437
01:51:57,775 --> 01:51:58,435
not just the city hall.

1438
01:52:01,905 --> 01:52:05,675
again, we're in a deep parking conversation and that's just not data that I have available. Um,

1439
01:52:06,155 --> 01:52:09,575
we do know that there have been situations where if we had to lease space

1440
01:52:10,275 --> 01:52:14,215
for employees spec specifically in the central business district, some of those

1441
01:52:14,615 --> 01:52:18,535
employees have had parking, uh, arrangements at nearby garages where they've had to

1442
01:52:18,655 --> 01:52:22,215
pay for that parking. And at one point in time there was a parking

1443
01:52:22,715 --> 01:52:26,695
fee to park in city hall in the garage. I think if I remember back

1444
01:52:26,895 --> 01:52:30,855
to my days of starting with the city, it was $26 a month and I think that

1445
01:52:31,015 --> 01:52:34,775
was phased out a few years ago. But any parking analysis,

1446
01:52:35,245 --> 01:52:39,055
information, data and that level of detail is what we would definitely

1447
01:52:39,375 --> 01:52:43,335
bring back. So there's, um, in that side by side cost comparison that that

1448
01:52:43,495 --> 01:52:47,115
would actually be incorporated in it. It, okay. Do you recall why the, um, parking

1449
01:52:47,905 --> 01:52:51,905
fee was way, uh, I guess phased out? I'm

1450
01:52:52,125 --> 01:52:55,445
not sure the exact year, um, but I do know that at one point,

1451
01:52:56,265 --> 01:53:00,205
uh, any new employees that came in had that parking fee attached to

1452
01:53:00,405 --> 01:53:04,325
their, uh, bimonthly, uh, payment paycheck and

1453
01:53:04,525 --> 01:53:08,485
it was taken out, uh, through payroll deduction. Mr. Mr. Allen may have some more

1454
01:53:08,605 --> 01:53:12,525
details? Yes. The, the charge for parking at city hall was $25

1455
01:53:13,445 --> 01:53:16,805
a month with taxes, $27 and 6 cents a month.

1456
01:53:17,545 --> 01:53:21,285
it was that cost, uh, in 1996 when I started at the city.

1457
01:53:22,145 --> 01:53:26,025
and it stayed that cost until we eliminated it about three years ago.

1458
01:53:26,305 --> 01:53:29,605
the reason we eliminated it is because in a meet and confer agreement,

1459
01:53:30,505 --> 01:53:34,485
police were going to get free parking at jack evans. Therefore, mr. Broad neck's

1460
01:53:34,845 --> 01:53:38,485
former city manager chose to eliminate it for employees

1461
01:53:38,865 --> 01:53:42,805
in this building as well to be, uh, consistent with what was

1462
01:53:42,965 --> 01:53:46,825
being done for police at the jack evans police headquarter. So it was about three years ago,

1463
01:53:47,075 --> 01:53:50,885
four years ago. Okay. Thank you jack. And then, um, what hours

1464
01:53:51,305 --> 01:53:52,885
do employees work in this building?

1465
01:53:55,465 --> 01:53:59,365
the normal working hours at city hall, uh, with the exception of those

1466
01:53:59,565 --> 01:54:03,485
individuals that are on different shifts is eight 15 to five 15. We know that

1467
01:54:03,645 --> 01:54:07,645
there are employees that work longer hours. I will tell you that the city manager's office

1468
01:54:08,125 --> 01:54:11,835
probably opens the building and closes the building most days. Um, but the 9 1 1

1469
01:54:12,605 --> 01:54:16,405
team, the eoc team, depending on if there's an emergency situation,

1470
01:54:16,865 --> 01:54:20,765
um, within the, um, within the city, that those are gonna be

1471
01:54:20,885 --> 01:54:24,765
individuals that are gonna be in the building around the clock. But all of our other city departments, with

1472
01:54:25,005 --> 01:54:28,885
the exception of the ones that their shifts actually require overtime,

1473
01:54:29,285 --> 01:54:33,285
I mean, over an overnight 24 hours a day, those would be the employees

1474
01:54:33,445 --> 01:54:37,205
that are in the building, um, most frequently. And what hours is the

1475
01:54:37,485 --> 01:54:41,385
building open for the public? I, I didn't hear the question. What hours

1476
01:54:41,765 --> 01:54:45,615
are the building open for the public? Eight 15 to five 15. Okay.

1477
01:54:46,735 --> 01:54:50,715
that's all for now. Thank you chairwoman men you recognize for

1478
01:54:50,875 --> 01:54:54,515
five minutes on the amendment to the amendment. Thank you. I think this question was just

1479
01:54:54,995 --> 01:54:58,975
asked, I'm not exactly sure if it was worded the same way, but

1480
01:55:00,595 --> 01:55:04,555
are you able to share what you have seen as, um, a cost for

1481
01:55:04,775 --> 01:55:08,615
parking in other locations? I believe we were actually briefed on this

1482
01:55:09,075 --> 01:55:12,415
in executive session. I mean, I think this is a known number.

1483
01:55:13,675 --> 01:55:17,615
if it was information that was provided in closed session and it's not a part of the due

1484
01:55:17,815 --> 01:55:21,775
diligence of these, this item that is before us, then we would not have the liberty

1485
01:55:22,115 --> 01:55:25,755
of sharing something that has been presented in closed session. Well, the,

1486
01:55:26,395 --> 01:55:29,555
the question, um, as I recall was

1487
01:55:30,845 --> 01:55:33,485
what is the average cost for parking

1488
01:55:34,855 --> 01:55:38,705
downtown? And that is not specific to a particular

1489
01:55:39,975 --> 01:55:43,945
building and I think is germane to the question of,

1490
01:55:44,705 --> 01:55:48,645
um, the amendment about parking. And so, I mean, I'll

1491
01:55:48,925 --> 01:55:52,445
tell you for district 12, many people who work for at t

1492
01:55:53,025 --> 01:55:56,965
as the announcement came about moving to plano, um, relayed to

1493
01:55:57,125 --> 01:56:01,085
me that, you know, for us it's closer to be in plano

1494
01:56:01,365 --> 01:56:05,165
than it is to come downtown. But what it meant for them effectively was a $400

1495
01:56:05,925 --> 01:56:09,865
a month raise to not pay parking. And so I'm

1496
01:56:10,085 --> 01:56:14,005
wondering if you have a different number than $400 a

1497
01:56:14,125 --> 01:56:17,085
month on what an average contract for a reserve parking spot is.

1498
01:56:19,015 --> 01:56:22,875
I do not have a number today on parking downtown as

1499
01:56:23,095 --> 01:56:27,015
it relates to any of the potential options and opportunities right now. That would

1500
01:56:27,175 --> 01:56:30,695
be a part of the due diligence as I've just mentioned, that would go into this additional

1501
01:56:31,265 --> 01:56:35,235
evaluation, uh, if the city council chooses to move in that direction. But

1502
01:56:35,455 --> 01:56:39,135
would you confirm that you have actually shared that number with us previously?

1503
01:56:42,165 --> 01:56:46,115
I think there've been some different scenarios, councilwoman middleston that have been shared. Some

1504
01:56:46,405 --> 01:56:50,245
of those scenarios are based on a particular location and not necessarily

1505
01:56:50,875 --> 01:56:54,845
overall. I think that's what was provided to the city council. Thank you. I

1506
01:56:55,205 --> 01:56:59,125
I, um, I heard it differently and that's why I am pursu I was pursuing that

1507
01:56:59,325 --> 01:57:02,865
line of questioning. If you're not willing to answer it, that's fine. Um,

1508
01:57:03,725 --> 01:57:07,685
I appreciate, uh, council member blackman's, um, interest

1509
01:57:07,845 --> 01:57:11,325
in making sure that the parking would be free for the employees.

1510
01:57:11,985 --> 01:57:15,845
it shouldn't be something detrimental to the employees to lose free parking in this

1511
01:57:16,285 --> 01:57:20,055
building to then have to incur possibly hundreds

1512
01:57:20,495 --> 01:57:24,445
of dollars per month, um, to, to

1513
01:57:24,685 --> 01:57:28,675
pay for parking because, um, of an unwise decision to leave. Thank

1514
01:57:29,025 --> 01:57:33,015
you, ms. Blackman, you recognize for three minutes on your amendment

1515
01:57:33,375 --> 01:57:37,255
to the amendment. Okay, thank you. Um, just, um, miss city

1516
01:57:37,455 --> 01:57:40,365
manager, just to be clear that if we want something

1517
01:57:41,715 --> 01:57:45,615
looked at in your due diligence, then this body must approve it,

1518
01:57:45,775 --> 01:57:49,735
otherwise it won't be looked at. Is that what I heard? I mean, we need to

1519
01:57:49,855 --> 01:57:53,775
approve it or can we 'cause that that's, I'm kind of getting a

1520
01:57:53,895 --> 01:57:57,655
mixed signal of, I'm only gonna look at the things that you tell me to do,

1521
01:57:58,155 --> 01:58:02,135
but if this fails, which probably will, then are you gonna look

1522
01:58:02,335 --> 01:58:05,295
at it? And so that's what I need clarification on is exactly

1523
01:58:06,685 --> 01:58:10,615
what that if with the parking, that's what we're talking about. How, like, does it have

1524
01:58:10,775 --> 01:58:14,685
to be approved in order for you to look at it? Or is it gonna be absence

1525
01:58:15,235 --> 01:58:19,215
in the due diligence? So I'll go back to my statement and I'll make sure that

1526
01:58:19,395 --> 01:58:23,255
I'm clear. If counsel chooses to approve the action item that was

1527
01:58:23,415 --> 01:58:27,255
read into the record by council member west as part of that additional due diligence,

1528
01:58:27,655 --> 01:58:31,455
as we've heard from counsel on other things that you wanna make sure are included,

1529
01:58:31,975 --> 01:58:35,935
I think a parking analysis was already provided as one of the

1530
01:58:36,015 --> 01:58:39,775
things that council wanted additional details on. And I think that's been

1531
01:58:40,535 --> 01:58:44,405
communicated already with us in several other sessions that we've been in with the council.

1532
01:58:45,095 --> 01:58:48,985
we've also talked about the need to ensure access to public transit. So

1533
01:58:49,205 --> 01:58:53,165
there are a lot of things that you've already asked us to do. My comments were, as part of

1534
01:58:53,325 --> 01:58:57,085
the due diligence, if this item that council member, wes, read into

1535
01:58:57,365 --> 01:59:01,035
record, that due diligence would already be incorporated because

1536
01:59:01,545 --> 01:59:05,515
of what council's already asked for us to bring back. So you can get to a true side

1537
01:59:05,805 --> 01:59:09,575
by side of the cost. So parking analysis, access for parking. We've

1538
01:59:09,925 --> 01:59:13,925
heard many questions about, you know, the, um, the, um, um, you know, how

1539
01:59:14,085 --> 01:59:18,085
far the parking would be, uh, away from the building. We heard everything

1540
01:59:18,605 --> 01:59:22,565
from the raids that would be a part of that additional due diligence that we would bring

1541
01:59:22,805 --> 01:59:26,685
back. So it would already be included in the work that we would be doing over

1542
01:59:26,925 --> 01:59:30,885
the summer. Okay. Because, um, throughout this whole exercise, one thing that

1543
01:59:31,005 --> 01:59:35,005
I've learned is words matter and the motion matters. And so I'm just

1544
01:59:35,085 --> 01:59:39,005
wanting to make sure that, uh, I don't want it to come back that, well, you

1545
01:59:39,165 --> 01:59:42,925
didn't ask for it. It wasn't in the motion, because to me, this is important.

1546
01:59:43,295 --> 01:59:46,745
being here as an employee when I was here in 2000,

1547
01:59:47,405 --> 01:59:51,385
late two thousands and paying $25 and then going, you know, and I was at dart at one time, and

1548
01:59:51,605 --> 01:59:55,405
you'd have to pay the full price at dart. So it's like that is

1549
01:59:55,685 --> 01:59:59,675
a, it hits the bottom line. And so I just wanna be clear that this

1550
01:59:59,965 --> 02:00:03,325
is important, I believe to the employees that are in this building,

1551
02:00:04,035 --> 02:00:07,785
that parking needs to be addressed. And so, and

1552
02:00:08,245 --> 02:00:12,105
I just wanna make sure that if it needs to be in the motion or

1553
02:00:12,325 --> 02:00:16,125
in the item that we need to amend it. If it's gonna happen, then you,

1554
02:00:16,365 --> 02:00:19,365
I have, I have you on record saying that you will look at it.

1555
02:00:20,965 --> 02:00:24,925
a parking analysis was already requested as part of the due diligence that

1556
02:00:25,085 --> 02:00:28,965
council has asked us to do. So the original motion that was read

1557
02:00:29,265 --> 02:00:32,395
by council member west for that addition, the due diligence, parking

1558
02:00:33,475 --> 02:00:37,335
will already be included. Okay. Thank you. Chairwoman

1559
02:00:38,005 --> 02:00:39,045
mendelson, you cognize for three minutes.

1560
02:00:42,745 --> 02:00:46,465
well, there we go. Um, thank you. Can you tell us what

1561
02:00:46,755 --> 02:00:50,475
percentage of employees here use transit versus how many,

1562
02:00:50,895 --> 02:00:52,535
um, drive their individual car?

1563
02:00:57,165 --> 02:01:01,055
that is not a, a number that I have off the top of my head. Councilman middleston. We will

1564
02:01:01,175 --> 02:01:05,175
definitely provide that additional, uh, details to the council. We do know that

1565
02:01:05,375 --> 02:01:09,315
every year is part of the city's budget. We provide for a certain number of

1566
02:01:09,685 --> 02:01:13,615
dart passes that the city supports in helping subsidize for

1567
02:01:13,775 --> 02:01:17,655
our city employees. So we'll be able to give you the number of dark passes that are currently

1568
02:01:18,215 --> 02:01:22,175
provided, the cost of subsidizing those passes, and based on the data

1569
02:01:22,335 --> 02:01:26,295
that we have available, how many employees actually are parking in the garage. But I don't have that

1570
02:01:26,595 --> 02:01:27,575
in front of me at this moment.

1571
02:01:30,905 --> 02:01:34,735
would you say, um, well, I'm wondering, can the budget office tell us how much

1572
02:01:34,915 --> 02:01:37,765
was allocated for dart passes in this current fiscal year?

1573
02:01:40,945 --> 02:01:44,785
and if you'll also share, was there any dollars that were, um,

1574
02:01:45,075 --> 02:01:48,635
allocated last fiscal year that remained and were either reallocated

1575
02:01:49,325 --> 02:01:51,765
through a budget amendment or were swept into contingency?

1576
02:01:53,625 --> 02:01:57,435
um, jack harland, chief financial officer, the amount of the dart subsidy

1577
02:01:57,925 --> 02:02:01,685
funding is less than a hundred thousand. I wanna think it's 60 or 70,000.

1578
02:02:02,945 --> 02:02:06,815
uh, and it's my recollection that there were no funds, uh, left, uh, after

1579
02:02:07,305 --> 02:02:11,225
use last year. And does it provide a full pass? No, ma'am. Um,

1580
02:02:11,785 --> 02:02:15,565
and do you know what the percentage of I I do not know the, there's a breakdown

1581
02:02:16,045 --> 02:02:19,425
based upon, uh, I believe, uh, the employee salary,

1582
02:02:20,385 --> 02:02:23,965
uh, uh, different amounts that are subsidized. I do not know the details on that. So it's like a whole matrix,

1583
02:02:24,895 --> 02:02:28,555
ma'am. It's a whole matrix of your salary. Yes. And if it's a monthly

1584
02:02:29,155 --> 02:02:33,085
pass or an annual pass, that is my recollection. I will have to get you details, but yes, sir. Budgeted

1585
02:02:33,825 --> 02:02:37,705
is 60 to $70,000. So per

1586
02:02:37,925 --> 02:02:41,535
my memory. Thank you. And we currently have, um, bus stops

1587
02:02:42,205 --> 02:02:45,565
surrounding the property as well as the convention center has the train,

1588
02:02:46,295 --> 02:02:50,105
which, you know, maybe on the outside people think that's far, but

1589
02:02:50,525 --> 02:02:54,245
actually is even connected to the building and you never even have to go outside.

1590
02:02:55,225 --> 02:02:57,925
um, so, okay. Thank you for that information.

1591
02:03:00,145 --> 02:03:04,085
ms. Cadena, you're recognized for three minutes on the amendment to the amendment. I would

1592
02:03:04,205 --> 02:03:08,105
just like to say how important this item is, um, for employees, um,

1593
02:03:08,745 --> 02:03:12,105
having to pay extra to come to work. I know there's some employees, um,

1594
02:03:13,035 --> 02:03:17,005
that $150 could be a substantial hit to their

1595
02:03:17,485 --> 02:03:21,305
paycheck. And so I hope that we continue to do whatever we can to

1596
02:03:21,925 --> 02:03:25,805
advocate for our employees and make sure that they're taken care of and that we're

1597
02:03:26,085 --> 02:03:30,005
able to treat all employees fairly. Um, so that if one group is not

1598
02:03:30,165 --> 02:03:34,105
paying for parking, that the others would not be paying for parking as, as well. And

1599
02:03:34,395 --> 02:03:38,205
also making sure that our citizens that come to city hall to pay

1600
02:03:38,405 --> 02:03:42,395
their water bills or to come and spend eight hours sitting, um, here

1601
02:03:42,715 --> 02:03:46,565
listening to issues do not have to pay for parking as well. Thank you.

1602
02:03:47,695 --> 02:03:51,445
chairwoman minutes readiness for one minute. Thank you. Well, in learning that

1603
02:03:51,725 --> 02:03:55,045
there's, uh, just over 1400 parking spots here at the city,

1604
02:03:55,805 --> 02:03:59,595
I think it's important, um, with the underlying motion to understand that,

1605
02:04:00,465 --> 02:04:04,265
um, there may be properties being looked at that don't have that level of,

1606
02:04:04,545 --> 02:04:08,485
um, robust parking or don't have the security of the parking,

1607
02:04:08,895 --> 02:04:12,385
which is why, um, the secure access is important. And

1608
02:04:12,945 --> 02:04:16,665
if we would be asking people to walk 1, 2, 3 blocks

1609
02:04:17,235 --> 02:04:20,545
away, what that means, um, both for, um,

1610
02:04:21,445 --> 02:04:25,165
mobility issues, safety issues, and convenience factor. Thank you

1611
02:04:28,585 --> 02:04:32,375
mayor pro tem, you're recognized for five minutes on the amendment to the amendment.

1612
02:04:32,665 --> 02:04:36,535
thank you mr. Mayor. Just really briefly, whether or not this item passes, we'll still have the opportunity to

1613
02:04:36,735 --> 02:04:40,645
address these issues. Thank you. Anyone

1614
02:04:41,065 --> 02:04:44,825
else wishing to speak on for or against the amendment? To the amendment seat? None. Madam

1615
02:04:45,265 --> 02:04:48,875
secretary, please call the role on the amendment to the amendment, folks.

1616
02:04:49,555 --> 02:04:53,525
thank you mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please say yes. If you're in favor. No.

1617
02:04:53,885 --> 02:04:57,655
if you're oppose. Council member west.

1618
02:04:58,365 --> 02:05:01,895
no. Council member moreno? No. Council

1619
02:05:02,385 --> 02:05:06,325
member gracie? No. Council member ena? Yes.

1620
02:05:07,055 --> 02:05:09,925
council member. Basel. Doa? Yes.

1621
02:05:11,935 --> 02:05:15,595
your video must be displayed. Um, council member basil.

1622
02:05:15,945 --> 02:05:19,765
do I'll come back to you video's on, I don't know what is

1623
02:05:19,985 --> 02:05:23,985
showing on your end, but yes is my vote. It's

1624
02:05:24,275 --> 02:05:24,915
not showing on our,

1625
02:05:30,625 --> 02:05:34,545
it's not showing on our end. We'll, we'll come back to you, but we gotta get your video to work. It's

1626
02:05:34,835 --> 02:05:38,555
right now, it's a still photograph of you. So just so you know, it's your official headshot.

1627
02:05:38,995 --> 02:05:42,585
it looks like very nice picture though, but it's just not you live.

1628
02:05:43,375 --> 02:05:46,235
we need that. So we'll come back to you. Council member blair.

1629
02:05:47,625 --> 02:05:51,065
council member blackman? Yes. Okay. Well, I guess I can't vote then because

1630
02:05:51,935 --> 02:05:55,755
it council member

1631
02:05:56,035 --> 02:06:00,035
stewart? No. Council member

1632
02:06:00,345 --> 02:06:04,195
roth? Yes. Council member

1633
02:06:04,395 --> 02:06:08,375
mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No.

1634
02:06:09,185 --> 02:06:12,595
council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson?

1635
02:06:13,575 --> 02:06:16,995
no. Mayor pro tem resendez? No. Mayor johnson?

1636
02:06:17,815 --> 02:06:17,815
no.

1637
02:06:22,275 --> 02:06:26,205
with five. Voting in favor. Nine opposed? One absent when vote taken.

1638
02:06:26,585 --> 02:06:30,565
the motion fails, mr. Mayor. Okay, we're back on the amendment by chairwoman

1639
02:06:31,165 --> 02:06:35,045
mendelson. Anyone else wishing to speak on for or against the amendment by chairwoman

1640
02:06:35,525 --> 02:06:39,445
mendels? Point of information? Can you restate the, uh, the sure. Uh,

1641
02:06:39,615 --> 02:06:43,505
chairwoman, please restate your motion. It's to amend, uh,

1642
02:06:43,745 --> 02:06:47,465
the motion to require any property considered. Um,

1643
02:06:48,115 --> 02:06:51,695
have sufficient parking designated for the city of dallas equal

1644
02:06:52,665 --> 02:06:56,505
to the, um, to the same number of employees expected to

1645
02:06:56,745 --> 02:07:00,115
occupy the building plus visitors in secure underground

1646
02:07:00,805 --> 02:07:03,425
parking or connected parking with secure access.

1647
02:07:05,155 --> 02:07:08,855
okay. Madam secretary? Okay. Ahead.

1648
02:07:09,205 --> 02:07:12,925
thank you mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose

1649
02:07:13,715 --> 02:07:17,505
council member west. No. Council member moreno? No.

1650
02:07:18,115 --> 02:07:22,115
council member gracie? No. Council member kadena? Yes. Council

1651
02:07:22,605 --> 02:07:26,185
member bazel doa is absent when vote taken? Yes.

1652
02:07:27,395 --> 02:07:29,285
okay, I see you. Thank you.

1653
02:07:33,505 --> 02:07:37,385
council member blair. Council member blackman? Yes.

1654
02:07:38,115 --> 02:07:41,635
council member stewart? No. Council member roth?

1655
02:07:42,145 --> 02:07:45,755
yes. Council member mendelson? Yes. Council

1656
02:07:46,245 --> 02:07:49,905
member willis? No. Council member ridley?

1657
02:07:50,505 --> 02:07:54,425
yes. Deputy mayor pro. Tim johnson? No. Mayor pro

1658
02:07:54,645 --> 02:07:56,825
tem resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No.

1659
02:07:58,755 --> 02:08:02,755
with six. Voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor, back

1660
02:08:03,065 --> 02:08:06,765
on the original item. Chairman mendelson. Thank you.

1661
02:08:07,385 --> 02:08:11,085
uh, I'd like to amend the motion I move to require any property considered

1662
02:08:11,835 --> 02:08:15,155
include an outside public area that can safely accommodate

1663
02:08:16,145 --> 02:08:20,025
1000 people at an event or protest or be directly across

1664
02:08:20,665 --> 02:08:24,565
or next to a city park that can accommodate 1000 people

1665
02:08:24,905 --> 02:08:28,765
or more at an event or protest. Second, it's been moved to a second aid discussion. Chairwoman

1666
02:08:29,165 --> 02:08:33,045
mendelssohn. I think it's self-evident. Thank you. Um, chairman

1667
02:08:33,235 --> 02:08:37,205
west question, mayor for city manager. Do you recognize

1668
02:08:37,325 --> 02:08:41,205
for five minutes? Okay. We're on the an amendment by chairwoman mendelsohn. And you

1669
02:08:41,485 --> 02:08:45,265
recognize for five minutes on that amendment. Um, excuse me, mayor. Uh, my, my,

1670
02:08:46,145 --> 02:08:49,765
uh, my screen is creating some kind of a, of a,

1671
02:08:51,075 --> 02:08:54,925
some kind of a, a difficulty. Okay. Thank you. You need it to come

1672
02:08:55,085 --> 02:08:58,365
over, please. We, someone go check on mr. Ross. Uh, thank you screen

1673
02:08:59,105 --> 02:09:02,915
and determine what you have. The four for five minutes. Thank you. Just like with

1674
02:09:03,205 --> 02:09:07,065
the parking city manager, tolbert, we will have an opportunity to

1675
02:09:07,605 --> 02:09:11,175
address this request as well, right.

1676
02:09:11,625 --> 02:09:15,205
on the public meeting space, because I believe that's important to everyone at this horseshoe.

1677
02:09:17,065 --> 02:09:21,045
yes. Thank you. And, um, there would not be

1678
02:09:21,265 --> 02:09:25,245
any scenario that we, that you would even bring to us without a public

1679
02:09:25,725 --> 02:09:29,515
gathering space. No. We've heard that

1680
02:09:29,815 --> 02:09:33,515
as a piece of, um, not, not just casually,

1681
02:09:34,095 --> 02:09:37,895
but it's been overstated many times about the opportunity to ensure

1682
02:09:38,785 --> 02:09:42,315
that there is still space for the public to gather. Um, again, we've shared

1683
02:09:43,065 --> 02:09:46,755
many different criteria components with the council

1684
02:09:47,495 --> 02:09:51,435
in closed session, and this is one that we've also discussed. Thank you. So just like

1685
02:09:51,635 --> 02:09:54,755
with the parking, this is all part of the due diligence already. Thank you

1686
02:09:56,745 --> 02:10:00,685
ms. Kadena. You recognize for five minutes on the amendment by ms. Mendelssohn. Um, yes,

1687
02:10:00,925 --> 02:10:04,425
I have a question. Ms. Mendelson, would that include, um,

1688
02:10:05,525 --> 02:10:09,455
residents, um, not having to pay a fee to use that space

1689
02:10:10,185 --> 02:10:13,885
to gather to either to protest or to have a, a meeting?

1690
02:10:15,105 --> 02:10:18,965
she can answer that question if you'd like. It counts against your time. Um, I believe her protest

1691
02:10:19,465 --> 02:10:22,615
is a first amendment issue and there is no protest even today.

1692
02:10:23,625 --> 02:10:27,595
but, um, even today, if you wanna have an event at city hall

1693
02:10:28,265 --> 02:10:32,215
on the plaza, you have to get an event, uh, permit. So I, I don't

1694
02:10:32,565 --> 02:10:36,435
wanna speak for the city manager, but I believe that's how it works. Okay. City

1695
02:10:36,725 --> 02:10:39,405
manager, can you clarify? That is correct.

1696
02:10:40,805 --> 02:10:44,805
I think we've heard before, uh, today the importance of making sure

1697
02:10:45,085 --> 02:10:48,475
that our, that the public would have opportunities to participate

1698
02:10:49,245 --> 02:10:52,565
continuously in the downtown area, uh, in public spaces.

1699
02:10:53,465 --> 02:10:57,325
um, and we talked about bringing that information back. Uh, if there's

1700
02:10:57,645 --> 02:11:01,245
potential fees for parks, whatever it is, we said that we would be doing that anyway.

1701
02:11:01,745 --> 02:11:05,645
so that would be a part of our due diligence. Um, would it be possible to

1702
02:11:05,805 --> 02:11:09,735
perhaps have a list of the items that maybe we're

1703
02:11:10,205 --> 02:11:13,965
gonna get back that might be helpful to us? Because I know like last week

1704
02:11:14,405 --> 02:11:18,085
I had a, there was an item for demolition, but environmental was not included,

1705
02:11:18,585 --> 02:11:22,485
but then I was told that that was already one of the motions that was provided.

1706
02:11:22,625 --> 02:11:25,045
and so I think that's causing some confusion here.

1707
02:11:27,745 --> 02:11:31,235
more than happy to provide you with the detailed list of what will be included in the due diligence.

1708
02:11:31,865 --> 02:11:35,255
okay. Thank you chairwoman

1709
02:11:35,925 --> 02:11:39,785
mendelson, you're recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Um, the

1710
02:11:40,005 --> 02:11:43,805
reason why I have this as a very specific item is not because

1711
02:11:44,145 --> 02:11:47,845
it isn't being considered, um, with the properties. It certainly is,

1712
02:11:48,625 --> 02:11:52,525
but having available space doesn't actually

1713
02:11:52,665 --> 02:11:56,325
say what the motion is. The motion says it must be out front,

1714
02:11:56,905 --> 02:12:00,645
it must be outside in the public area of the facility

1715
02:12:01,625 --> 02:12:04,725
or across the street or next to it.

1716
02:12:05,825 --> 02:12:09,785
that's very different. And one could suppose that we may

1717
02:12:10,005 --> 02:12:13,845
be considering properties where a public space is much further away than that.

1718
02:12:14,825 --> 02:12:18,745
and so what this does is restrict properties to only be

1719
02:12:19,245 --> 02:12:23,165
considered if it is on the property or next to

1720
02:12:23,365 --> 02:12:26,685
the property. And so, and, and that would include across the street.

1721
02:12:27,985 --> 02:12:31,645
so that's very different, just like the parking amendment

1722
02:12:32,155 --> 02:12:35,565
item is very different. Of course, parking is always considered,

1723
02:12:36,185 --> 02:12:40,085
but what that motion did was specify it must have enough parking for all of

1724
02:12:40,205 --> 02:12:43,865
the staff. That's different than maybe what we have been told. So

1725
02:12:44,515 --> 02:12:48,495
this is just being very clear about having that space

1726
02:12:50,205 --> 02:12:54,115
directly available. So one could imagine what if it's four

1727
02:12:54,405 --> 02:12:58,145
or five blocks away, is that really in the same domain

1728
02:12:58,865 --> 02:13:02,405
as the building? And so again, this motion

1729
02:13:03,075 --> 02:13:06,045
says on the property or next to it. Thank you

1730
02:13:07,665 --> 02:13:11,565
ms. Black may recognize for five minutes. Thank you. Um, so I guess

1731
02:13:11,765 --> 02:13:15,605
I have a question about the park public space. Are most

1732
02:13:15,885 --> 02:13:19,485
of the parks in the downtown area, part of the downtown

1733
02:13:20,005 --> 02:13:23,245
park network? Does anybody have that information?

1734
02:13:32,575 --> 02:13:36,085
I don't see anyone hearing from the park and rec department because

1735
02:13:36,735 --> 02:13:40,625
I, I mean, my understanding is that there was a big movement for downtown parks

1736
02:13:41,075 --> 02:13:45,025
to flourish and we're about to take a park and use it for a public protesting

1737
02:13:45,695 --> 02:13:49,475
space. I wanna make sure that that conversations have been had.

1738
02:13:52,495 --> 02:13:56,255
I don't think you're making a decision today on any particular location, a park. No. But in due diligence,

1739
02:13:56,925 --> 02:14:00,725
that would be a very key part of that is to understand that sure.

1740
02:14:01,205 --> 02:14:05,095
that the, it is known that a park would be used for a first amendment,

1741
02:14:06,235 --> 02:14:10,215
uh, versus just a gathering space for luxury that it

1742
02:14:10,415 --> 02:14:13,915
could be used as a, as a protesting area. And I think any

1743
02:14:14,775 --> 02:14:18,425
investor that has given money for a a public space,

1744
02:14:18,965 --> 02:14:21,975
they need to know if it's going to be used in what way?

1745
02:14:23,015 --> 02:14:25,975
I don't think we have that, that level of detail at the moment. But again,

1746
02:14:27,095 --> 02:14:31,015
questions that you're asking now that we don't have the answers to, we would make sure that we answer

1747
02:14:31,335 --> 02:14:34,935
those questions and make sure that we've addressed that as part of the due diligence.

1748
02:14:35,615 --> 02:14:39,495
I don't see the park and rec staff here and I don't wanna speak for them. Okay. So yeah, please make sure

1749
02:14:39,695 --> 02:14:43,575
that any public space, if it is in the park downtown master plan and it's

1750
02:14:43,815 --> 02:14:47,655
been utilized in that way, that it, that we, that they understand that

1751
02:14:47,855 --> 02:14:51,725
it can be used for a first amendment protest and that

1752
02:14:52,015 --> 02:14:56,015
it's gonna be used like we have our plaza here. 'cause it, even though it's

1753
02:14:56,415 --> 02:15:00,395
considered a park space, I don't, that's still questionable. It. Um, it

1754
02:15:00,615 --> 02:15:04,065
is still a place where people come to express their

1755
02:15:04,815 --> 02:15:08,815
opinions about something. So I just wanna make sure that nobody's caught off

1756
02:15:08,975 --> 02:15:12,935
guard with that. Thank you chairwoman ly recognize for three

1757
02:15:13,135 --> 02:15:16,725
minutes. Thank you. The other thing I'd like to highlight is the size

1758
02:15:17,395 --> 02:15:21,315
by specifying that it can accommodate a thousand people. Um,

1759
02:15:22,245 --> 02:15:26,075
I'll say I think the smallest park in dallas is actually in district 12, but

1760
02:15:26,295 --> 02:15:30,295
right after that, I think are the downtown parks. And there's some that are teeny tiny.

1761
02:15:30,675 --> 02:15:34,335
and I wouldn't wanna say that you have fulfilled the ability

1762
02:15:35,075 --> 02:15:38,525
to have, um, protest space by some of these very tiny,

1763
02:15:39,475 --> 02:15:43,015
um, spots. So that's why it specifically says a thousand people.

1764
02:15:44,115 --> 02:15:48,055
now, we often have heard public comment from the folks that

1765
02:15:48,295 --> 02:15:51,975
wanna tear down city hall, that they would like to have a vibrant downtown.

1766
02:15:52,875 --> 02:15:56,775
and I will question whether or not they understand what it's like to

1767
02:15:56,975 --> 02:16:00,615
have daily protests outside the building and how vibrant

1768
02:16:01,035 --> 02:16:04,955
that's gonna be for everybody. But we certainly need to make sure it

1769
02:16:05,235 --> 02:16:08,975
can accommodate people's first amendment right, to protest their government

1770
02:16:09,335 --> 02:16:12,875
and have their voices heard, as well as celebrate the government. And,

1771
02:16:13,555 --> 02:16:16,985
um, mourn, you know, I, I think back to seven, seven,

1772
02:16:17,735 --> 02:16:21,275
I was here on the plaza. It was a terrible, terrible day,

1773
02:16:22,355 --> 02:16:26,305
but we were all together and there's not a lot of parks downtown that can hold

1774
02:16:26,505 --> 02:16:30,205
that many people, even clyde warren. So I hope that,

1775
02:16:30,545 --> 02:16:34,085
um, y'all will consider this and vote for it. Thank you.

1776
02:16:36,065 --> 02:16:39,005
anyone else wanna speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelson?

1777
02:16:40,625 --> 02:16:44,605
say none. Madam secretary, please call the role. Thank you, mr. Mayor, when I

1778
02:16:44,685 --> 02:16:48,405
call your name, please state yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose. Council member

1779
02:16:48,755 --> 02:16:52,365
west. No. Council member moreno. No. Council member

1780
02:16:52,885 --> 02:16:56,885
gracie? No. Council member hena? Yes. Council member

1781
02:16:57,315 --> 02:17:00,825
bael doa? Yes. Council member blair.

1782
02:17:01,815 --> 02:17:05,245
council member blackman? Yes. Council member stewart? No.

1783
02:17:06,015 --> 02:17:09,445
council member roth? Yes. Council member mendelson? Yes.

1784
02:17:10,575 --> 02:17:14,245
council member willis? No. Council member ridley? Yes.

1785
02:17:14,805 --> 02:17:18,585
deputy mayor prote johnson? No. Mayor prote resendez?

1786
02:17:18,925 --> 02:17:22,705
no. Mayor johnson? No. With six voting

1787
02:17:23,085 --> 02:17:26,675
in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor chairwoman

1788
02:17:27,345 --> 02:17:31,075
mendelson for what purpose? Move to, um, amend

1789
02:17:31,425 --> 02:17:35,255
the motion to require any property considered. Include a security plan

1790
02:17:35,545 --> 02:17:39,545
that provides at least the same level of security with the same

1791
02:17:39,805 --> 02:17:42,285
or less number of security officers. Second,

1792
02:17:44,595 --> 02:17:48,585
it's been moved. And second, that you recognize for five minutes on your amendment if you'd like it. Thank you. Um,

1793
02:17:49,265 --> 02:17:53,085
the reason I have this motion is, number one, there are some special

1794
02:17:53,845 --> 02:17:57,775
security considerations here at city hall. Um, both to allow

1795
02:17:58,225 --> 02:18:01,205
the public to have free access to their building,

1796
02:18:02,315 --> 02:18:05,755
even if we're gonna lease it. Um, but also,

1797
02:18:07,025 --> 02:18:10,885
um, there were quite a few comments made in presentations about the

1798
02:18:11,365 --> 02:18:15,285
security costs that we have, whether that's the officers here in

1799
02:18:15,405 --> 02:18:18,865
the chambers, folks that are checking people into the building. Um,

1800
02:18:19,565 --> 02:18:23,385
I can see personal details here in this building. Uh,

1801
02:18:25,435 --> 02:18:28,915
the idea that we would actually have a reduction in cost is insane.

1802
02:18:29,475 --> 02:18:33,345
that's not true. I, I can't imagine how that could happen today.

1803
02:18:33,825 --> 02:18:37,085
there are only two entrances that are functioning, meaning

1804
02:18:37,885 --> 02:18:41,855
there's doors on the south. So if you park on the south, you should

1805
02:18:42,015 --> 02:18:45,935
be able to come in directly. But instead we make you walk all the way around the

1806
02:18:46,255 --> 02:18:49,695
building because of security, and we're unwilling to have another

1807
02:18:50,455 --> 02:18:54,395
security station or the former manager close that down. Um,

1808
02:18:55,675 --> 02:18:59,595
and so if the premise of this is

1809
02:18:59,815 --> 02:19:03,535
to save money, and one of those items was to save money

1810
02:19:03,835 --> 02:19:07,495
on security, because this is so difficult to manage the

1811
02:19:07,895 --> 02:19:10,885
security of this building, which I don't believe is true, then

1812
02:19:12,045 --> 02:19:15,775
therefore, prove it. Tell us that you're

1813
02:19:16,475 --> 02:19:20,315
actually gonna have lower costs for security, but maintain that same

1814
02:19:20,515 --> 02:19:24,175
level. 'cause I don't believe you can. Thank you. Anyone

1815
02:19:24,595 --> 02:19:27,565
else wish to speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelssohn?

1816
02:19:29,665 --> 02:19:33,525
say none. Madam secretary, please call the role. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your

1817
02:19:33,685 --> 02:19:37,625
name, please state yes. If you're in favor. No. If you oppose. Council member west. No.

1818
02:19:37,915 --> 02:19:41,635
council member moreno. No. Council member gracie? No. Council

1819
02:19:42,125 --> 02:19:45,745
member kadena? Yes. Council member basil doa?

1820
02:19:46,815 --> 02:19:50,775
yes. Council member blair. Council member blackman? Yes.

1821
02:19:51,265 --> 02:19:54,855
council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

1822
02:19:55,425 --> 02:19:59,215
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No.

1823
02:20:00,335 --> 02:20:03,125
council member ridley? Yes.

1824
02:20:04,565 --> 02:20:08,545
deputy mayor pro tem johnson? No. Mayor pro tem

1825
02:20:08,865 --> 02:20:12,665
resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No. Would six. Holding

1826
02:20:12,965 --> 02:20:16,725
in favor? Nine. Oppose the motion fails. Mr. Mayor, for what purpose? Mr. Roth?

1827
02:20:22,235 --> 02:20:25,945
sorry, go ahead. I was gonna suggest an amendment to the mo original motion.

1828
02:20:26,415 --> 02:20:30,155
yeah, please. I'd like to, uh, make sure that the words

1829
02:20:31,055 --> 02:20:34,685
non-binding, uh, would be, uh, inserted before

1830
02:20:35,205 --> 02:20:38,885
the, uh, words pre-acquisition agreements. Is there a second? Second.

1831
02:20:39,735 --> 02:20:43,395
it's been moved in second. Mr. Roth, you'd like five minutes to explain your amendment. Um, thank

1832
02:20:43,745 --> 02:20:47,505
you. Um, typically in a, in a real estate transaction that's

1833
02:20:47,865 --> 02:20:51,705
being negotiated, uh, prior to any execution of a formal

1834
02:20:52,345 --> 02:20:56,065
contract, uh, those are considered, uh, either con considered or described

1835
02:20:56,565 --> 02:21:00,225
as letters of intent. And I'm assuming that this is considered

1836
02:21:00,785 --> 02:21:04,665
a pre-acquisition agreement is like a letter of intent. Uh, in all

1837
02:21:04,865 --> 02:21:08,585
of those, uh, types of documents, typically it is

1838
02:21:09,065 --> 02:21:12,955
absolutely clear in those documents that these are non-binding agreements.

1839
02:21:13,645 --> 02:21:16,805
and I want to make sure that there's no, uh, uh,

1840
02:21:17,845 --> 02:21:21,785
uh, conflict or confusion that, uh, any kind

1841
02:21:22,025 --> 02:21:25,425
of an agreement that's, that's, uh, established, uh, under this

1842
02:21:26,105 --> 02:21:29,905
situation is in fact nonbinding. Uh, so I would request that

1843
02:21:30,185 --> 02:21:34,025
that change be, I think, to the benefit of the council and to the benefit of the city

1844
02:21:34,415 --> 02:21:37,985
that that be, uh, provided general sen

1845
02:21:38,585 --> 02:21:42,545
recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Um, wanna thank

1846
02:21:42,745 --> 02:21:46,325
council member roth, who is both a real estate attorney and is

1847
02:21:46,905 --> 02:21:50,405
possibly the only person around the horseshoe who has bought office

1848
02:21:51,065 --> 02:21:55,005
buildings. So thank you for recognizing that word is

1849
02:21:55,405 --> 02:21:58,825
absent and necessary. I do believe many of our colleagues

1850
02:21:59,455 --> 02:22:02,745
have been told just do not add anything to the motion.

1851
02:22:03,805 --> 02:22:07,315
do not consider anything. But I will say, if you agree

1852
02:22:07,935 --> 02:22:11,655
that this is non-binding, you should vote for this one. Prove it. Show

1853
02:22:11,945 --> 02:22:15,765
the public that you mean it, that this is not a defining, um,

1854
02:22:16,445 --> 02:22:20,345
no, no ability to turn it around. Vote, because I

1855
02:22:20,465 --> 02:22:24,335
think we all know it is. And if you vote this down, this,

1856
02:22:24,735 --> 02:22:28,645
this actual word that says non-binding, then that says

1857
02:22:28,925 --> 02:22:31,325
everything about what this vote really is. Thank you,

1858
02:22:35,235 --> 02:22:39,095
ms. Black. Ms. Blackman, you recognize for five minutes. Peter, did you wanna say something?

1859
02:22:40,475 --> 02:22:44,235
um, I just wanted to make sure that if there was any, um,

1860
02:22:44,845 --> 02:22:48,815
explanation that we needed to do about the way the, the current item and what

1861
02:22:49,055 --> 02:22:52,375
we're looking for and what we need to do with the due diligence that we gave

1862
02:22:53,115 --> 02:22:57,095
the, um, the company that's actually doing the work on behalf of the city an opportunity to speak.

1863
02:22:58,155 --> 02:23:02,015
uh, I'm happy to address it. And I would suggest that the council members are conflating

1864
02:23:02,885 --> 02:23:06,855
non-binding term sheets with binding pre-acquisition agreements. And there's

1865
02:23:07,135 --> 02:23:11,025
important distinction between the two. Um, we 100% agree

1866
02:23:11,375 --> 02:23:15,215
that real estate transactions are traditionally negotiated in non-binding letters

1867
02:23:15,475 --> 02:23:18,845
of intent to establish business terms. Um, what's been suggested

1868
02:23:19,515 --> 02:23:23,015
and presented to council, uh, is that that would be an exhibit

1869
02:23:23,875 --> 02:23:27,875
to a binding agreement. The binding nature of the agreement though is

1870
02:23:28,165 --> 02:23:31,975
related to due diligence schedule and performing the

1871
02:23:32,245 --> 02:23:36,215
work necessary to present the apples, apples comparison. So there could be binding

1872
02:23:36,455 --> 02:23:38,755
components to it in terms of, um,

1873
02:23:40,475 --> 02:23:44,395
how long are we looking at this building, for example, things like that could be binding. But,

1874
02:23:44,915 --> 02:23:48,485
um, there's no reason, in my opinion, to add non-binding

1875
02:23:49,175 --> 02:23:52,295
to the non to the pre-acquisition agreement because it's duplicative.

1876
02:23:53,195 --> 02:23:57,175
um, the business terms and a transaction is 100% something

1877
02:23:57,495 --> 02:24:01,365
you can get out of later. There's nothing that inhibits you all from terminating

1878
02:24:02,055 --> 02:24:05,635
the agreement in the future if you find out things you don't like about any assets. So,

1879
02:24:06,155 --> 02:24:10,015
um, I, I, I understand the point, um, but I think it's unnecessary.

1880
02:24:12,525 --> 02:24:16,345
um, can I, you saw the floor. You saw the floor, yeah. Yes. Um, can I ask the attorneys if

1881
02:24:16,745 --> 02:24:18,705
they agree with that? Our city attorneys

1882
02:24:24,045 --> 02:24:24,545
and thank you, peter.

1883
02:24:33,285 --> 02:24:37,145
so, as peter said, yes, it would not be binding. It's not a

1884
02:24:37,345 --> 02:24:40,625
binding term sheet. What it is, again, it's to conduct due diligence.

1885
02:24:41,485 --> 02:24:45,385
and so to the extent that, um, anyone that was engaged to do that

1886
02:24:45,605 --> 02:24:49,445
due diligence, um, needed to perform, we need to bind them to

1887
02:24:49,665 --> 02:24:53,545
perform. And then we also need to be bound, uh, under state law to

1888
02:24:53,765 --> 02:24:57,645
pay for those services. So that's the binding nature of

1889
02:24:57,865 --> 02:25:01,605
these pre pre-acquisition agreements. So if

1890
02:25:01,925 --> 02:25:05,925
we, if this doesn't pass, which I assume it won't, um, there we

1891
02:25:06,145 --> 02:25:10,145
can still not, there's nothing that, uh, joins us. We don't, we're not

1892
02:25:10,225 --> 02:25:13,655
obligated to move forward. We're just getting information. You're not obligated

1893
02:25:14,285 --> 02:25:18,045
to lease to purchase. You're not obligated to execute and

1894
02:25:18,315 --> 02:25:22,025
enter into a final acquisition. This is just for due diligence,

1895
02:25:22,855 --> 02:25:26,665
just to conduct and as, as peter said, to get the apples to apples

1896
02:25:27,085 --> 02:25:30,005
comparison. That's all it is. Thank you. Mm-hmm .

1897
02:25:31,785 --> 02:25:35,765
deputy mayor proam, you recognize for five minutes. Oh, thank you. Councilman roth for bringing

1898
02:25:35,845 --> 02:25:39,765
this up. But I also want to thank, uh, mr. Peter for bringing the clarity, uh, 'cause that was

1899
02:25:39,885 --> 02:25:43,845
concern. Thank you so much. Mr. Bazel. Do you recognized for five minutes?

1900
02:25:45,855 --> 02:25:48,745
there you are. Come on inside. I'm just kidding. Let's go.

1901
02:25:50,245 --> 02:25:54,085
I was just kidding. Go ahead. I don't have a a, a raised

1902
02:25:54,285 --> 02:25:57,955
hand. Can you hear me? I don't have a raised hand.

1903
02:25:58,985 --> 02:25:59,525
oh, you did,

1904
02:26:07,915 --> 02:26:11,855
mr. Roth. You recognized for three. I'm sorry. We'll go to chairman west for five and then,

1905
02:26:12,155 --> 02:26:16,055
uh, to mr. Roth for three. Thank you, mayor. I mean, on, its on its face. This sounds,

1906
02:26:16,605 --> 02:26:20,515
this sounds reasonable and, and harmless enough. I want to ask, uh,

1907
02:26:20,735 --> 02:26:24,595
mr. Janssen, if, if there is any potential harm to

1908
02:26:25,405 --> 02:26:29,375
getting us the apples to apples numbers that we're asking for by inserting this clause

1909
02:26:29,655 --> 02:26:33,655
in there. 'cause my goal and the goal of a lot of my colleagues and the goal

1910
02:26:33,815 --> 02:26:37,455
of the public that I've been hearing is to get the true apples to apples comparison.

1911
02:26:38,445 --> 02:26:42,315
does insertion of this language cause you any problems in

1912
02:26:42,535 --> 02:26:46,415
meeting that goal? Uh, I believe it causes material

1913
02:26:46,685 --> 02:26:50,295
harm because you will not be able to bind yourself to any service agreements or

1914
02:26:50,735 --> 02:26:54,695
contracts related to doing the work that would be required to provide that

1915
02:26:54,935 --> 02:26:58,525
information. So, I believe would be material harm as you would have no ability

1916
02:26:59,015 --> 02:27:02,795
to execute any due diligence. Can you give me an example of how, um,

1917
02:27:03,215 --> 02:27:07,175
a one service that we would need would not possibly be at jeopardy because of

1918
02:27:07,375 --> 02:27:11,215
this language? Very simply, um, a phase

1919
02:27:11,555 --> 02:27:15,275
one environmental study, which is the starting point for any

1920
02:27:15,595 --> 02:27:19,285
due diligence, uh, on any land or acquisition, um, it's

1921
02:27:19,695 --> 02:27:23,095
probably a four to $5,000 contract at worst, maybe as little as $2,000.

1922
02:27:23,995 --> 02:27:27,735
but, um, you would not be able to execute that type of agreement

1923
02:27:28,115 --> 02:27:32,015
and get a clean phase one on any assets you're looking at. Um, if you don't have the

1924
02:27:32,215 --> 02:27:36,195
ability to execute binding agreements. And why would they typically not

1925
02:27:36,415 --> 02:27:40,355
wanna execute a non-binding agreement? A a

1926
02:27:40,475 --> 02:27:44,315
phase one environmental company? Oh, well, the company wouldn't be able to perform

1927
02:27:44,835 --> 02:27:48,475
services if the contract was invalid or non-binding. Okay. So it's potentially

1928
02:27:49,455 --> 02:27:53,435
is the intent is, is to certainly, I I get the intent,

1929
02:27:53,815 --> 02:27:57,655
but the potential harm could, could be detrimental to us in

1930
02:27:57,875 --> 02:28:01,675
obtaining the numbers we need. Absolutely. Thank you,

1931
02:28:03,515 --> 02:28:07,515
chairman. Ridley, you recognize for five minutes? Thank you, mr. Mayor. I,

1932
02:28:07,815 --> 02:28:11,515
uh, understand what, uh, mr. Jansen is saying

1933
02:28:12,025 --> 02:28:15,235
that we need to have the pre-acquisition agreement

1934
02:28:16,075 --> 02:28:19,955
binding on the parties. And so I would like to introduce an amendment to mr. Ross

1935
02:28:20,555 --> 02:28:23,755
amendment that would, instead of inserting

1936
02:28:24,675 --> 02:28:27,855
non-binding, the four pre-acquisition agreements

1937
02:28:29,465 --> 02:28:32,935
insert in the eighth line,

1938
02:28:34,215 --> 02:28:37,715
that starts exceed 2 million. Do, uh, um, sorry.

1939
02:28:38,325 --> 02:28:42,205
the fourth line, uh, sixth line, starting of

1940
02:28:42,425 --> 02:28:46,295
assessing the relocation option insert without

1941
02:28:47,185 --> 02:28:51,065
binding the city to such option, that would make

1942
02:28:51,305 --> 02:28:54,615
it clear that what we want to be non-binding

1943
02:28:55,925 --> 02:28:59,565
is entering into an acquisition agreement rather

1944
02:29:00,015 --> 02:29:04,005
than the pre-acquisition agreement itself. Second. So

1945
02:29:04,225 --> 02:29:08,105
I want to help the body here and clarify. Sure. Since it's not a written,

1946
02:29:08,295 --> 02:29:12,265
it's not written out and you're not just reading it off a piece of paper I just wanted, so we don't have to go through that whole

1947
02:29:13,175 --> 02:29:16,965
deal again. The intent here is

1948
02:29:17,185 --> 02:29:21,065
to place the, the binding, the word binding in the appropriate

1949
02:29:21,585 --> 02:29:25,525
place to achieve the intent of making the acquisition or

1950
02:29:25,905 --> 02:29:29,065
leasing of a particular property. Not binding, not making the due diligence

1951
02:29:30,015 --> 02:29:33,905
agreement that you'd have to sign. Not exactly. Okay. So everybody understand

1952
02:29:34,225 --> 02:29:36,365
that like the, the, he's just moving

1953
02:29:38,435 --> 02:29:42,425
where we placed, where the, where the mover was placing the word

1954
02:29:42,785 --> 02:29:46,505
binding, which was making it bind, not making the due diligence document,

1955
02:29:47,445 --> 02:29:51,025
not binding to making, acting on the due diligence in the form of

1956
02:29:52,135 --> 02:29:55,885
acquiring or leasing or leasing to own a property, not binding. So

1957
02:29:56,325 --> 02:29:59,965
that's what correct, that's what you're trying to do, right? Yes. Okay. That's

1958
02:30:00,385 --> 02:30:03,695
what's on the floor. If assuming, I think it got seconded by ms. Mendelson.

1959
02:30:04,645 --> 02:30:08,445
and you have five minutes to explain your amendment. Well, I think this to

1960
02:30:08,665 --> 02:30:11,865
the amendment. Thank you. I think this addresses the concerns

1961
02:30:13,205 --> 02:30:17,085
of, um, some members about making

1962
02:30:18,045 --> 02:30:21,605
the pre-acquisition agreement non-binding. We

1963
02:30:24,405 --> 02:30:28,295
to be effective, the pre-acquisition agreement has to be binding. The parties will

1964
02:30:28,585 --> 02:30:32,445
enter into an agreement with certain duties and responsibilities and

1965
02:30:33,135 --> 02:30:36,625
payment obligations. If that's what this body

1966
02:30:37,215 --> 02:30:40,465
intends to do, then that part of it needs to be non-binding.

1967
02:30:41,295 --> 02:30:44,605
what I think the intent of mr. Ross amendment was

1968
02:30:45,655 --> 02:30:49,245
that after that due diligence is completed, that we

1969
02:30:49,665 --> 02:30:53,615
are then not bound to execute any acquisition

1970
02:30:54,305 --> 02:30:58,065
agreement that would tie the city

1971
02:30:58,925 --> 02:31:02,865
to a particular relocation option. At that

1972
02:31:03,105 --> 02:31:07,005
point, the city council should have freedom to choose which of

1973
02:31:07,605 --> 02:31:11,415
the options upon which due diligence has been performed

1974
02:31:12,655 --> 02:31:16,195
they wish to enter into. But not at this point in time today.

1975
02:31:19,125 --> 02:31:23,005
I feel like the names that were I see in the queue were already in the queue when we were still on an

1976
02:31:23,165 --> 02:31:27,005
amendment by mr. Roth. Anyone want, wanna stay in on the amendment

1977
02:31:27,265 --> 02:31:31,225
to the amendment or wanna wait till we get back to the roth amendment? Everybody good? Okay. Mr. Roth,

1978
02:31:31,805 --> 02:31:35,765
then you're recognized for five minutes on the amendment to your amendment, if that's what you

1979
02:31:35,925 --> 02:31:39,465
want. Thank you. Yes.

1980
02:31:40,105 --> 02:31:43,965
um, I, I, I want to thank, uh, council member ridley for helping

1981
02:31:44,235 --> 02:31:48,005
clarify the situation. I think his addition to the amendment

1982
02:31:48,625 --> 02:31:52,425
is really actually valuable because it does clarify the

1983
02:31:52,755 --> 02:31:56,505
acquisition and the leasing or the, the, uh, future,

1984
02:31:57,505 --> 02:32:01,145
uh, um, commitment would be

1985
02:32:01,525 --> 02:32:05,325
a non-binding situation. Uh, and I would endorse and, and suggest

1986
02:32:05,765 --> 02:32:09,425
that we approve your, your addition. My concern on the

1987
02:32:09,965 --> 02:32:13,765
previous, uh, uh, of the, my previous comments

1988
02:32:14,465 --> 02:32:18,185
is that pre-acquisition agreements, uh, are not

1989
02:32:18,685 --> 02:32:22,365
a defined term. It's a, it's, it's just a, an agreement.

1990
02:32:23,305 --> 02:32:27,285
and what we're committing here to is for a lot of specific

1991
02:32:27,935 --> 02:32:31,905
costs that we don't know what they are. And so what I'm trying to figure out,

1992
02:32:32,125 --> 02:32:35,925
and what I'm trying to narrow down, is to try to identify

1993
02:32:36,755 --> 02:32:40,425
what we're going to be spending money on during these pre-acquisition

1994
02:32:41,415 --> 02:32:45,185
costs. What are we spending $2 million or

1995
02:32:45,475 --> 02:32:48,885
$4 million on? And, and this is an unusual

1996
02:32:49,965 --> 02:32:53,305
situation where we would be asking, um,

1997
02:32:54,265 --> 02:32:58,235
people to, to, uh, provide us with due diligence or that

1998
02:32:58,525 --> 02:33:02,125
we would be spending money on due diligence for properties

1999
02:33:02,645 --> 02:33:06,445
that we don't have commitments for. So could you explain to me

2000
02:33:06,795 --> 02:33:10,595
what specific costs we are being, are being anticipated

2001
02:33:11,705 --> 02:33:15,695
in using the 2 million and $4 million that we're

2002
02:33:16,045 --> 02:33:19,605
committing for this pre-acquisition, uh, agreement?

2003
02:33:21,915 --> 02:33:25,905
council member roth, if you're asking that question, I'd, I'm asking peter to if, or

2004
02:33:26,125 --> 02:33:29,235
or whoever. Thank you, mr. Janssen.

2005
02:33:33,325 --> 02:33:37,185
I'm happy to speak in broad categories, uh, pursuant to what was presented in closed session.

2006
02:33:37,565 --> 02:33:40,965
but there's a range of activities that will occur, um,

2007
02:33:41,975 --> 02:33:45,935
primarily to answer questions that this body and the public is asked and to create apple's,

2008
02:33:46,425 --> 02:33:50,325
apples comparisons on, uh, footprint, quality of the buildings, age

2009
02:33:50,545 --> 02:33:54,525
of systems, um, environmental studies, things like this. Uh,

2010
02:33:54,885 --> 02:33:58,625
so there was detailed budgets presented in executive session. So I, I would point

2011
02:33:58,905 --> 02:34:02,825
you back to that last week, um, in terms of what are the categories and possible spends and how that

2012
02:34:02,945 --> 02:34:06,705
relates to the negotiation scenarios as we collect information

2013
02:34:07,225 --> 02:34:11,105
for you. So, um, I I, if we were unclear, we're happy to

2014
02:34:11,545 --> 02:34:15,065
t that information, but there was very specific budgetary information presented last week.

2015
02:34:15,755 --> 02:34:19,465
would you, uh, would you, uh, say that it's tradition in the,

2016
02:34:20,025 --> 02:34:23,885
in the industry that, uh, a buyer would not, or a potential

2017
02:34:24,425 --> 02:34:28,375
tenant or a ba potential buyer would not be expending funds

2018
02:34:29,465 --> 02:34:33,185
to receive due diligence information from, from, uh,

2019
02:34:34,125 --> 02:34:37,785
cus from potential properties that would be trying

2020
02:34:38,265 --> 02:34:41,915
to provide information that it would be up to a potential

2021
02:34:42,535 --> 02:34:46,405
buyer to be spending money to figure out what the buy, what the

2022
02:34:46,645 --> 02:34:50,465
building is or the property is before we have it under contract or

2023
02:34:50,685 --> 02:34:53,965
before we have a commitment. Why would we be buying

2024
02:34:54,825 --> 02:34:58,785
you, uh, environmental reports or due diligence reports on,

2025
02:34:59,185 --> 02:35:03,145
on conditions of, of, of, uh, prop of, of, um,

2026
02:35:03,695 --> 02:35:05,735
mechanical, electrical, other situations?

2027
02:35:07,875 --> 02:35:11,835
well, if I could just start council member roth. These are the very things what that,

2028
02:35:12,545 --> 02:35:16,445
the things that you just listed. If I could just start by saying, these are the

2029
02:35:16,565 --> 02:35:20,325
things that you all have asked us for, and you've said that without these things,

2030
02:35:20,665 --> 02:35:24,435
you cannot make your decision. So we are really following

2031
02:35:25,595 --> 02:35:29,545
what council has been asking us to go and get. And

2032
02:35:29,765 --> 02:35:33,405
this is the process that we've laid out that we would need to undergo

2033
02:35:33,845 --> 02:35:37,765
in order to provide that. And so I hear you very clearly, but that is the

2034
02:35:37,925 --> 02:35:41,785
reason why these items have been presented in a way that will allow for us to

2035
02:35:42,005 --> 02:35:45,925
do the exact thing that you've described. I think what cbre has communicated

2036
02:35:46,705 --> 02:35:50,565
to us several times that this would allow for

2037
02:35:50,765 --> 02:35:54,765
us to make that happen, show our commitment

2038
02:35:55,365 --> 02:35:58,755
to being able to work with whatever those potential, uh, property opportunities

2039
02:35:59,865 --> 02:36:03,725
are, and then bring that information back. And so that's exactly what we're trying to do.

2040
02:36:03,995 --> 02:36:07,725
I'll let mr. Jensen, uh, continue. Uh, I, I appreciate

2041
02:36:08,085 --> 02:36:12,005
the spear of the question, and, and it's a very fair one. Um, you're speaking in terms

2042
02:36:12,225 --> 02:36:15,425
of, if I understood your question correctly, what buyers tra, buyers

2043
02:36:16,275 --> 02:36:20,165
lessees interested parties typically do and don't do? And I would just offer

2044
02:36:20,365 --> 02:36:24,245
up, it's a hundred percent a function of leverage and negotiation. Um, and

2045
02:36:24,445 --> 02:36:28,245
what we presented last week was, um, in our exploratory

2046
02:36:28,765 --> 02:36:32,475
findings that there are counterparties willing to perform services at risk,

2047
02:36:33,145 --> 02:36:36,825
um, on their side of the table, so to speak. Um, but there are 100%

2048
02:36:37,735 --> 02:36:41,325
items that are highly customed to the city of dallas, such as how do you replicate

2049
02:36:42,315 --> 02:36:46,305
city council chambers, um, that are non-traditional requests. And

2050
02:36:46,525 --> 02:36:49,985
those are things, um, that no buyer, or excuse me, no seller, lessor,

2051
02:36:50,645 --> 02:36:54,335
counterparty, or architect are gonna perform for free. Um, so there

2052
02:36:54,685 --> 02:36:57,925
are very specific things you all have asked for, for solutions that do require

2053
02:36:58,875 --> 02:37:02,845
city spends, so to speak. Um, but, uh, I,

2054
02:37:03,045 --> 02:37:07,045
I would not characterize in blanket statements about what buyers typically do

2055
02:37:07,265 --> 02:37:10,965
and don't do, particularly when you're talking about public-private partnerships and transactions

2056
02:37:11,605 --> 02:37:15,305
of this magnitude. Um, I can tell you, uh, in all of

2057
02:37:15,865 --> 02:37:19,465
my major transactions that I've advised clients on travis

2058
02:37:19,885 --> 02:37:23,285
county, dallas county, city of austin, pre-development, pre-acquisition

2059
02:37:24,245 --> 02:37:28,165
agreements, this is the best practice for how to arrive at those

2060
02:37:28,365 --> 02:37:32,195
custom answers to custom requests for very specific programming

2061
02:37:33,105 --> 02:37:36,985
and due diligence requests that are requested by governing bodies. So, um,

2062
02:37:37,365 --> 02:37:40,965
I would characterize this as best practice to, in order to get the apples to apples

2063
02:37:41,745 --> 02:37:45,625
to, uh, further discussion, enable you all to make a decision on

2064
02:37:46,025 --> 02:37:49,605
future binding agreements, which, um, are clearly not addressed

2065
02:37:50,125 --> 02:37:54,125
in this, uh, by design. Uh, thank you. Um, I,

2066
02:37:54,405 --> 02:37:57,915
I do have a concern that in the motion it basically says

2067
02:37:58,755 --> 02:38:02,635
including, uh, cost reimbursement to property owners, which you have just,

2068
02:38:03,465 --> 02:38:06,965
uh, sort of helped explain, uh, but it doesn't

2069
02:38:07,595 --> 02:38:11,385
sort of authorize us or have any kind of, of guidelines as

2070
02:38:11,605 --> 02:38:15,585
to what kind of monies we're talking about. And we don't know. And, and I'm, I'm

2071
02:38:15,805 --> 02:38:19,165
telling you, we're, we're talking about, uh, several

2072
02:38:19,885 --> 02:38:23,315
buildings here, four buildings that we're even considering according

2073
02:38:23,945 --> 02:38:27,785
to this motion. And these, these amounts could be absolutely out

2074
02:38:28,005 --> 02:38:31,885
of control. We don't have any control over, over those, the costs that

2075
02:38:32,165 --> 02:38:36,165
these owners are doing. We don't have, unless we negotiate those

2076
02:38:36,425 --> 02:38:40,325
in advance, we don't have any guidelines of what we're trying to, to establish

2077
02:38:40,835 --> 02:38:44,805
here. And we've just authorized $4 million, mr. To just give away

2078
02:38:45,005 --> 02:38:48,325
for stuff. So, I mean, we haven't authorized yet, mr. We're talking about $4 million.

2079
02:38:49,845 --> 02:38:53,845
I just wanna make sure you're going to tailor these more to the, the, the

2080
02:38:54,045 --> 02:38:57,885
merits of moving the word binding from where you placed to where

2081
02:38:58,305 --> 02:39:02,255
he recommends. 'cause that's really all his, that's all his amendment. The amendment does. Thank

2082
02:39:02,605 --> 02:39:06,515
you. And what I was trying to do is, was understand that that this,

2083
02:39:07,105 --> 02:39:11,035
the binding of our non-binding part of it is important once

2084
02:39:11,385 --> 02:39:14,685
we bind ourselves to a, to a pre-authorization

2085
02:39:15,485 --> 02:39:19,305
agreement or to a future agreement that we are committing to

2086
02:39:19,525 --> 02:39:23,465
spend monies that we don't know what those commitments are. So I would be in

2087
02:39:23,685 --> 02:39:27,265
favor of, of, uh, councilman ridley's, uh,

2088
02:39:28,425 --> 02:39:32,345
uh, amendment. Uh, but I would still like to preserve my

2089
02:39:32,565 --> 02:39:36,485
amendment under underlying. Anyone else wanna speak on for against

2090
02:39:36,685 --> 02:39:40,685
the amendment to the amendment? State none, madam secretary, go ahead and call the roll.

2091
02:39:41,135 --> 02:39:45,085
thank you, mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose

2092
02:39:46,715 --> 02:39:50,385
council member west. No. Council member moreno.

2093
02:39:50,865 --> 02:39:54,755
no. Council member gracie? No. Council member kana?

2094
02:39:55,465 --> 02:39:57,185
yes. Council member basil dua.

2095
02:40:01,025 --> 02:40:04,725
council member basil dua is

2096
02:40:05,045 --> 02:40:07,585
absent when vote taken. Council member.

2097
02:40:09,695 --> 02:40:11,005
council member basil dua?

2098
02:40:14,105 --> 02:40:17,645
yes. Thank you. Council member

2099
02:40:18,165 --> 02:40:22,085
blair. Council member blackman? Yes. Council member

2100
02:40:22,325 --> 02:40:25,985
stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

2101
02:40:26,675 --> 02:40:30,595
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No. Council

2102
02:40:31,165 --> 02:40:34,605
member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson?

2103
02:40:35,545 --> 02:40:39,425
no. Mayor pro tem resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No.

2104
02:40:40,435 --> 02:40:44,325
with six voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails, mr. Mayor. Alright, we're back

2105
02:40:44,445 --> 02:40:48,405
on the roth amendment. Chairwoman mendelson, you're

2106
02:40:48,805 --> 02:40:52,665
recognized for three minutes on the roth amendment. Anyone else will she speak on for against the

2107
02:40:52,885 --> 02:40:56,845
roth amendment? Seeing none, madam secretary, call the role. Thank you. Mr.

2108
02:40:57,015 --> 02:41:00,905
mayor, when I call your name, please state yes. If you're in favor. No.

2109
02:41:01,125 --> 02:41:05,025
if you oppose council member west. No. Council member moreno?

2110
02:41:05,505 --> 02:41:09,155
no. Council member gracie? No. Council member kana?

2111
02:41:09,745 --> 02:41:11,425
yes. Council member baa?

2112
02:41:13,835 --> 02:41:17,775
yes. Council member blair? No. Council member blackman?

2113
02:41:18,835 --> 02:41:22,715
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

2114
02:41:23,565 --> 02:41:27,115
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis?

2115
02:41:27,835 --> 02:41:31,795
no. Council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem

2116
02:41:32,015 --> 02:41:35,825
johnson? No. Mayor prom resendez? No. Mayor

2117
02:41:36,175 --> 02:41:40,135
johnson? No. With six voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion

2118
02:41:40,385 --> 02:41:44,335
fails. Mr. Mayor, we're back on item one as move

2119
02:41:44,575 --> 02:41:48,385
by mr. West chairwoman mendelssohn for what purpose? I move to amend

2120
02:41:48,735 --> 02:41:52,335
the motion to prohibit any property from consideration that currently

2121
02:41:53,035 --> 02:41:56,535
has or is contemplated to have any government related

2122
02:41:57,155 --> 02:42:00,855
entity, nonprofit that receives funding from the city or vendor

2123
02:42:01,175 --> 02:42:04,935
of the city within the last 24 months as tenants or owners

2124
02:42:05,395 --> 02:42:08,575
of the same building. Is there a second?

2125
02:42:10,005 --> 02:42:13,845
it's been moved in a second. You need five minutes to explain your motion or no? Sure.

2126
02:42:14,325 --> 02:42:18,235
okay. You have five minutes. Thank you. I think it's extremely important that we

2127
02:42:18,585 --> 02:42:21,675
avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest or even an actual

2128
02:42:22,855 --> 02:42:26,475
conflict of interest. And as, uh, we

2129
02:42:26,975 --> 02:42:30,765
consider that there may be properties that are very, very

2130
02:42:31,145 --> 02:42:34,035
large beyond the scope of what the city would occupy

2131
02:42:35,215 --> 02:42:38,975
independently, that we may be joining other tenants.

2132
02:42:39,635 --> 02:42:42,355
we may seek other tenants. We may

2133
02:42:44,005 --> 02:42:47,875
move into an ownership situation where we

2134
02:42:48,095 --> 02:42:51,895
are the lease of an entity that we already have

2135
02:42:52,175 --> 02:42:56,015
an established relationship with. And I think this is very problematic, so we should

2136
02:42:56,495 --> 02:43:00,295
preclude those from consideration. Thank you. Anyone else

2137
02:43:00,515 --> 02:43:02,895
was just gone for against the amendment by ms. Mendelson?

2138
02:43:04,675 --> 02:43:08,535
seeing none. Madam secretary, please call the roll. Thank you.

2139
02:43:09,305 --> 02:43:12,925
thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes. If you are in favor. No. If you opposed.

2140
02:43:13,875 --> 02:43:17,745
council member west. No. Council member moreno? No.

2141
02:43:18,155 --> 02:43:22,145
council member gracie? No. Council member kana? Yes.

2142
02:43:22,555 --> 02:43:26,475
council member basel dua. Yes. Council

2143
02:43:26,965 --> 02:43:30,385
member blair? No. Council member blackman?

2144
02:43:31,125 --> 02:43:34,965
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

2145
02:43:35,535 --> 02:43:38,405
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis?

2146
02:43:39,725 --> 02:43:43,705
no. Council member ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor prote johnson?

2147
02:43:44,205 --> 02:43:48,085
no. Mayor prote resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No.

2148
02:43:48,975 --> 02:43:52,875
with six voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor, chair

2149
02:43:53,225 --> 02:43:56,725
minimums. And for what purpose? I move to amend the motion to require any

2150
02:43:57,265 --> 02:44:00,825
property considered be available for lease or for sale. With both

2151
02:44:01,335 --> 02:44:05,325
options presented to the council. Is there a second? Second. We

2152
02:44:05,545 --> 02:44:09,265
moved in second. Do you need five minutes? I think that one's self-evident. Thank you.

2153
02:44:10,045 --> 02:44:13,295
anyone else wanna speak on for against the amendment by ms. Mendelson?

2154
02:44:14,605 --> 02:44:18,165
seeing none. Uh, mr. Roth, do you recognize for five minutes? Um,

2155
02:44:18,625 --> 02:44:22,575
I, I would like to really support, uh, suggest that we all support this amendment. This

2156
02:44:22,865 --> 02:44:25,905
really is, I think the, uh, an important,

2157
02:44:26,965 --> 02:44:30,525
uh, move into making sure that we do receive, uh,

2158
02:44:31,165 --> 02:44:34,875
uh, both opportunities, all opportunities in evaluating,

2159
02:44:36,005 --> 02:44:39,475
uh, this kind of a, uh, of a, of a major, major,

2160
02:44:40,085 --> 02:44:43,945
uh, decision making. So I don't see that there's a problem with it. I

2161
02:44:44,305 --> 02:44:48,245
think it clarifies the situation and I think it's good for all

2162
02:44:48,465 --> 02:44:52,135
of us to have that, uh, that, uh, requirement

2163
02:44:52,965 --> 02:44:56,885
in this particular motion. Thank you. Anyone else wanna speak on

2164
02:44:57,125 --> 02:45:00,845
for or against the amendment by ms. Mendelson? Seeing

2165
02:45:01,265 --> 02:45:04,565
none. Madam secretary, please call the roll. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, please state yes,

2166
02:45:05,365 --> 02:45:08,685
if you're in favor? No. If you're opposed. Council member west? No.

2167
02:45:09,415 --> 02:45:13,015
council member moreno? No. Council member gracie? No. Council

2168
02:45:13,505 --> 02:45:16,405
member kadana? Yes. Council member basil doa?

2169
02:45:18,125 --> 02:45:21,865
yes. Council member blair. Council member blackman?

2170
02:45:22,725 --> 02:45:26,725
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

2171
02:45:27,255 --> 02:45:30,925
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No.

2172
02:45:31,335 --> 02:45:35,165
council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor prote johnson? No.

2173
02:45:35,995 --> 02:45:39,815
mayor prote resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No. With

2174
02:45:40,125 --> 02:45:43,275
six voting in favor. Nine. Opposed? The motion fails. Mr. Mayor.

2175
02:45:44,565 --> 02:45:48,525
ms. Mendelson, for what purpose? Well, I just would like to tell you this is my last one.

2176
02:45:49,055 --> 02:45:52,895
okay. Um, it is to amend the motion to require any move from

2177
02:45:53,185 --> 02:45:57,105
1500 marilla happen after the inauguration of all council members

2178
02:45:57,405 --> 02:46:00,545
and mayors elected in november or december, 2027.

2179
02:46:03,615 --> 02:46:07,505
it's been moved and seconded. Second. I heard a second

2180
02:46:07,625 --> 02:46:11,105
already. And you have four or five minutes if you need it. Thank you. Um,

2181
02:46:11,975 --> 02:46:15,765
first, should this happen, which I hope it does

2182
02:46:15,985 --> 02:46:19,905
not, we need, um, a very thoughtful plan, not something rushed.

2183
02:46:20,955 --> 02:46:24,775
I've heard rumors. I hope they are only rumors that, um, staff

2184
02:46:25,125 --> 02:46:29,085
members in this building have been told that they plan should plan to leave before the end of the

2185
02:46:29,325 --> 02:46:32,485
calendar year. That seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

2186
02:46:33,585 --> 02:46:37,495
number two, staff is already highly distracted with other large

2187
02:46:37,845 --> 02:46:41,625
projects that need their full attention and resolution. Please

2188
02:46:42,045 --> 02:46:45,445
deliver for us on stemmons, on hampton, the miramar independence,

2189
02:46:46,205 --> 02:46:49,775
the police academy, and the convention center. I won't even mention the wings.

2190
02:46:51,075 --> 02:46:54,525
there's a lot of really big projects that must be done

2191
02:46:55,605 --> 02:46:58,725
properly and we're already seeing issues. Number three.

2192
02:46:59,705 --> 02:47:03,565
it would be good for the new folks to kick it off without the baggage of this

2193
02:47:03,805 --> 02:47:04,845
city council. And mayor

2194
02:47:11,205 --> 02:47:14,965
ms. Black may recognize for five minutes. Um, ms. City manager, in

2195
02:47:15,215 --> 02:47:19,125
your due diligence, is there going to be a timeline given to

2196
02:47:19,345 --> 02:47:22,325
us of when a potential move if it happens, or,

2197
02:47:23,445 --> 02:47:27,405
um, I guess I'm trying to understand what is the, the

2198
02:47:27,625 --> 02:47:31,105
understanding of what the, what we're gonna get and is the timeline gonna be in it

2199
02:47:32,115 --> 02:47:35,865
based on the items that are before you, you will get the due diligence related to the potential

2200
02:47:36,305 --> 02:47:39,735
sites for relocation. We will not have plans on what happens

2201
02:47:40,355 --> 02:47:44,305
after that until we get then get further direction from the city council. And I

2202
02:47:44,425 --> 02:47:48,345
think it would be in my best interest not to assume anything other than the due diligence

2203
02:47:48,745 --> 02:47:52,725
that I need to bring back during the month of august. Okay. So timelines of

2204
02:47:52,945 --> 02:47:56,945
moving is won't be in the first round, but it could come in, in a

2205
02:47:57,085 --> 02:48:00,905
sub subsequent round. Once we understand the will of the body, then that

2206
02:48:01,185 --> 02:48:05,065
would be what you should expect from me to bring back to you. And so then that's when we

2207
02:48:05,265 --> 02:48:09,185
can talk about timing as well. Yes. Okay. I,

2208
02:48:09,375 --> 02:48:13,265
like I said, uh, words matter and so expectations and I just wanna make

2209
02:48:13,465 --> 02:48:15,505
sure that it's on the record. Thank you.

2210
02:48:17,625 --> 02:48:21,605
is there anyone else would like to speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelssohn? Say none.

2211
02:48:21,845 --> 02:48:25,685
madam secretary, please call the role. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes, if

2212
02:48:25,885 --> 02:48:29,755
you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west. No. Council

2213
02:48:30,245 --> 02:48:34,165
member moreno. No. Council member gracie? No. Council member

2214
02:48:34,655 --> 02:48:37,705
kaena. Council member basel. Doa dua

2215
02:48:39,985 --> 02:48:43,715
is absent when? Vote take yes. Council

2216
02:48:44,205 --> 02:48:48,195
member basil doa? Yes. Thank you. Council

2217
02:48:48,685 --> 02:48:51,745
member blair? No. Council member blackman? Yes.

2218
02:48:52,875 --> 02:48:56,585
council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes.

2219
02:48:57,395 --> 02:49:01,345
council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No.

2220
02:49:02,595 --> 02:49:06,525
council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor po. Tim johnson?

2221
02:49:07,265 --> 02:49:11,255
no. Mayor prote resendez? No. Mayor

2222
02:49:11,605 --> 02:49:15,355
johnson? No. With six. Voting in favor. Nine.

2223
02:49:15,645 --> 02:49:19,625
oppose the motion fails mr. Mayor. Okay, we're still on agenda item one.

2224
02:49:19,845 --> 02:49:23,725
anyone else wish to speak on for or against it? Mr. Mayor? Point of order. State your point of order.

2225
02:49:24,505 --> 02:49:28,285
I'd like further clarification on the motion. I don't

2226
02:49:28,625 --> 02:49:32,085
see what the connection is between the first and the second bullet points.

2227
02:49:32,865 --> 02:49:36,675
if the first one authorizes transfer of 2 million from

2228
02:49:36,985 --> 02:49:40,765
the contingency reserve to the general fund, what happens

2229
02:49:42,065 --> 02:49:45,885
is that money earmarked for something in specific sounds like

2230
02:49:46,085 --> 02:49:49,995
a debate point. No, I'm just asking the question. Make make

2231
02:49:50,285 --> 02:49:53,645
it a, make it a valid point of order for me though. What's, what's your point of order?

2232
02:49:54,715 --> 02:49:58,555
well, if you're, if you're seeking clarification on what the motion is, and that's something that, that factors into

2233
02:49:58,845 --> 02:50:02,525
debate time, point of order is stating a point of order under the rules.

2234
02:50:04,585 --> 02:50:07,595
you understand the distinction? I'm saying if, if, if you want more

2235
02:50:08,795 --> 02:50:12,765
clarification on that, you can chime in and you can, you can have

2236
02:50:13,115 --> 02:50:17,085
five minutes of floor time to ask anybody around here. You'd like to ask

2237
02:50:17,245 --> 02:50:21,205
that question of staff to author, but we can't turn points of

2238
02:50:21,405 --> 02:50:25,365
order into free debate time. Well, okay. I'll ask my clarification

2239
02:50:26,405 --> 02:50:30,365
question on my time. So do you want, I mean, but you can have it. I'm saying you can have it right now

2240
02:50:30,445 --> 02:50:34,365
if you want it. We're, we're on it now. We're, we're back on the original motion. That's fine.

2241
02:50:34,545 --> 02:50:38,485
you, you reckon that's for five minutes. I'm just trying to give you the floor and saying that's how we need

2242
02:50:38,645 --> 02:50:42,645
to do this. Thank you. Okay. So, um, my question

2243
02:50:42,725 --> 02:50:46,685
for the city manager is, uh, what happens to the

2244
02:50:46,845 --> 02:50:50,725
2 million transferred from contingency to the general fund? Will it

2245
02:50:50,885 --> 02:50:54,825
be earmarked in any way? And how does that relate to the second bullet

2246
02:50:55,245 --> 02:50:58,985
point about increasing appropriations to,

2247
02:50:59,665 --> 02:51:03,535
uh, not exceed 2 million in facilities in real estate management

2248
02:51:04,395 --> 02:51:08,045
from the reserve fund? I don't see the connection between those two bullets.

2249
02:51:12,335 --> 02:51:16,245
thank you for the question. Council member. Ridley, I'll have to see if our cfo

2250
02:51:16,705 --> 02:51:20,565
is around. I think the, there he is. . I think, I think that

2251
02:51:20,795 --> 02:51:24,725
what we originally had planned in the item, I think the motion that was made by

2252
02:51:24,925 --> 02:51:28,925
council member west actually changed out the source of funds. It is still

2253
02:51:29,365 --> 02:51:33,365
a total of 3 million. It's not two plus one plus another two. But I'll

2254
02:51:33,525 --> 02:51:37,165
let mr. Ireland yes. Uh, chain. Thank you ms. Tolbert. Jack ireland, chief financial

2255
02:51:37,605 --> 02:51:41,045
officer. Um, reserve funds are not currently

2256
02:51:42,085 --> 02:51:45,045
appropriated. So it's a two step process

2257
02:51:46,385 --> 02:51:50,345
to move the cash basically from the reserve fund, the

2258
02:51:50,565 --> 02:51:54,385
contingency reserve fund into the general fund. And

2259
02:51:54,605 --> 02:51:58,365
then the second step is we have to have legal authorization through an

2260
02:51:58,885 --> 02:52:02,665
appropriation to spend it. So step one, transfer it, step two,

2261
02:52:03,475 --> 02:52:07,115
appropriate it, then, then you're able to spend it. Well,

2262
02:52:07,505 --> 02:52:11,235
so we're moving it out of a reserve fund into the general fund

2263
02:52:11,945 --> 02:52:15,805
and appropriating it within the general fund facilities and real estate management

2264
02:52:16,365 --> 02:52:20,245
department to spend it as we would any budgeted item. So we're

2265
02:52:20,525 --> 02:52:24,415
not talking about a total of $4 million for due diligence. We're

2266
02:52:24,765 --> 02:52:27,585
talking about only 2 million. Yes, sir. So

2267
02:52:29,435 --> 02:52:32,525
what does it mean to insert the word increase appropriations

2268
02:52:33,625 --> 02:52:36,805
in the amount of 2 million in facilities in real estate management.

2269
02:52:38,185 --> 02:52:41,475
and, and how does the original 2 million from the contingency

2270
02:52:42,215 --> 02:52:45,685
going to the general fund get into the facilities and real estate management

2271
02:52:46,285 --> 02:52:49,705
fund? So again, the, uh,

2272
02:52:50,705 --> 02:52:54,155
the contingency reserve is not an appropriated fund.

2273
02:52:55,145 --> 02:52:59,075
so it, it's a reserve fund and we transfer the funds from the contingency

2274
02:52:59,765 --> 02:53:03,365
reserve fund into the general fund. And the

2275
02:53:03,925 --> 02:53:07,845
increase in appropriation is because the facilities and real estate management budget

2276
02:53:08,985 --> 02:53:11,365
was approved by council in september at $36,082,537.

2277
02:53:15,505 --> 02:53:19,145
and so we're increasing the appropriations within the

2278
02:53:19,615 --> 02:53:23,445
facilities and real estate management department's budget so that the funds

2279
02:53:23,745 --> 02:53:27,585
can be spent. It's just a two step process. It's the same $2 million,

2280
02:53:28,915 --> 02:53:32,805
take $2 million out of the reserve fund, move it over into the contingency

2281
02:53:33,645 --> 02:53:37,325
re uh, I'm sorry. Move it out of contingency reserve, move it into

2282
02:53:37,725 --> 02:53:41,685
the general fund and appropriate it so you can spend it. Well, and

2283
02:53:41,885 --> 02:53:45,875
that's the problem with this motion. It doesn't accomplish what you just outlined because

2284
02:53:46,545 --> 02:53:50,045
it talks in the first bullet about taking 2 million out of the contingency

2285
02:53:50,685 --> 02:53:54,665
reserve fund, putting it into the general fund. And the second bullet, it talks about taking,

2286
02:53:55,985 --> 02:53:59,485
uh, putting $2 million in the facilities in real estate management

2287
02:54:00,315 --> 02:54:04,115
from the contingency reserve fund. Shouldn't that say from

2288
02:54:04,405 --> 02:54:08,285
the general fund? N no, sir. We're moving it into one place within the general fund.

2289
02:54:08,565 --> 02:54:12,395
we're moving it in from contingency reserve into the general fund

2290
02:54:12,895 --> 02:54:16,485
where in the general fund, we're moving it into the general fund appropriation

2291
02:54:16,905 --> 02:54:20,885
for facilities and real estate management. Exactly. But you're in the

2292
02:54:21,045 --> 02:54:24,645
second bullet saying you're taking an additional 2 million from the general

2293
02:54:25,075 --> 02:54:28,725
fund contingency reserve fund to put it in the frm.

2294
02:54:29,545 --> 02:54:33,365
that's what's confusing about this. It's, it's the way they're written. Every single time

2295
02:54:33,605 --> 02:54:37,565
we use the contingency reserve fund, we move money from the contingency reserve

2296
02:54:38,345 --> 02:54:42,165
and move it into and specify which department it's going to be spent

2297
02:54:42,625 --> 02:54:46,545
out of. Uh, we did the same thing for planning and development, uh,

2298
02:54:46,825 --> 02:54:50,605
in april when we spent $200,000 for the non-conforming

2299
02:54:51,545 --> 02:54:55,325
use study. It's the way we did, uh, last september when we moved $4 million

2300
02:54:56,675 --> 02:55:00,525
into park and recreation for fair park. It's the process. It's a two

2301
02:55:00,685 --> 02:55:04,555
step process. Move it out of contingency reserve, move it into

2302
02:55:04,945 --> 02:55:07,925
and specify the department to appropriate it within.

2303
02:55:09,305 --> 02:55:13,025
well, I think this, uh, is very poorly worded in referring

2304
02:55:13,635 --> 02:55:16,825
twice to taking money out of the contingency reserve fund,

2305
02:55:17,695 --> 02:55:21,345
but onto the merits of this initiative. This

2306
02:55:22,015 --> 02:55:25,875
is, uh, not a necessary step at this point in

2307
02:55:26,075 --> 02:55:29,815
time. It is not necessary to rush forward to

2308
02:55:30,245 --> 02:55:33,715
spend $2 million to move without proper

2309
02:55:34,595 --> 02:55:38,285
consideration of the costs of repair versus the costs

2310
02:55:38,635 --> 02:55:42,295
of move out. There is no billion dollar price tag

2311
02:55:42,815 --> 02:55:46,795
for the cost of repairing this building. There is no plan for the

2312
02:55:47,045 --> 02:55:51,015
usage of the property that city hall sits upon. There is no

2313
02:55:51,235 --> 02:55:54,595
one knocking on our door anymore who may want this property.

2314
02:55:55,405 --> 02:55:58,735
there is no justification to destroy this iconic

2315
02:55:59,515 --> 02:56:03,495
building just for some un um,

2316
02:56:04,375 --> 02:56:07,745
stated reason as to moving into

2317
02:56:08,465 --> 02:56:12,315
some commercial office building. I submit that this

2318
02:56:12,595 --> 02:56:16,545
is an unnecessary action that we need to further

2319
02:56:17,505 --> 02:56:21,475
explore the critical repair needs of city hall rather than

2320
02:56:22,045 --> 02:56:25,945
remodeling and modification to convert this building into

2321
02:56:26,235 --> 02:56:28,755
class a office space. Thank you

2322
02:56:30,855 --> 02:56:33,955
mr. Roth. You recognized for five minutes on the

2323
02:56:35,115 --> 02:56:38,495
original underlying motion on agenda item one.

2324
02:56:39,695 --> 02:56:43,355
um, I, I also, uh, am, uh, questioning

2325
02:56:43,775 --> 02:56:47,425
the, uh, the, uh, clarification and also

2326
02:56:48,215 --> 02:56:52,115
the, uh, wording in this, uh, additional change. This to me

2327
02:56:52,425 --> 02:56:56,275
does not restrict in my reading of this, and in a formal

2328
02:56:56,555 --> 02:57:00,295
reading or in an informal reading of this, it does not,

2329
02:57:01,215 --> 02:57:04,455
uh, clearly say that we are only spending $2 million.

2330
02:57:06,185 --> 02:57:09,835
this when you were, when you include the word. And that's an, that's

2331
02:57:10,235 --> 02:57:14,055
a plus. And that means that, and I, and I'm the

2332
02:57:14,275 --> 02:57:18,115
technical aspect of how you do this, uh, in the past

2333
02:57:18,975 --> 02:57:22,795
is not clear to me. And it's, I don't think it's clear to any of us. And I wanna

2334
02:57:23,035 --> 02:57:26,975
make sure that if you want to provide this, then there should be another bullet

2335
02:57:27,395 --> 02:57:31,355
that says, in no event will any of these funds be more

2336
02:57:32,535 --> 02:57:36,135
be that no, in no event will the funds be used exceed

2337
02:57:37,015 --> 02:57:40,305
$2 million total. And, and I think that, that

2338
02:57:41,105 --> 02:57:45,075
this is, again, these are contingency funds. I thought

2339
02:57:45,235 --> 02:57:48,955
contingency funds were for emergencies. I don't think this is

2340
02:57:49,435 --> 02:57:53,415
an emergency. Um, and I don't, I want to make sure that the

2341
02:57:53,635 --> 02:57:57,395
public and that the rest of our colleagues really understand that we're

2342
02:57:57,835 --> 02:58:01,725
spending money to do, to get information on, on stuff

2343
02:58:02,005 --> 02:58:05,925
that, that we don't know how much money we're spending. We don't know what we're getting for it.

2344
02:58:06,345 --> 02:58:10,185
and, and we're spending money that we could be utilizing to

2345
02:58:10,465 --> 02:58:14,265
fix things up in, in our, in our current house and in other places. So

2346
02:58:14,785 --> 02:58:18,605
I'm real, I'm really concerned about it. Jack, and if you could sort of,

2347
02:58:19,145 --> 02:58:22,705
uh, help, uh, sort of indicate if, if we could change

2348
02:58:23,315 --> 02:58:26,615
somehow clarify that it would be only $2 million total.

2349
02:58:27,425 --> 02:58:29,725
uh, that would certainly help me evaluate it.

2350
02:58:34,395 --> 02:58:37,835
what I'm second seconding

2351
02:58:38,545 --> 02:58:42,465
mr. Ross amendment to insert an additional bullet limiting the

2352
02:58:42,685 --> 02:58:45,605
total amount of the expenditure to $2 million point of order.

2353
02:58:47,175 --> 02:58:51,125
mayor. Yeah. State, what, what's your, the original motion says not to

2354
02:58:51,385 --> 02:58:54,405
exceed. I don't know how more, much more crystal clear it can be.

2355
02:58:55,785 --> 02:58:59,685
I'm, I'm trying to figure out if that was, are you actually,

2356
02:59:00,345 --> 02:59:04,165
I'm actually making a, an amendment and I apologize for being clumsy in the amendment.

2357
02:59:04,585 --> 02:59:08,545
I'd like to make sure that that, that it's clear that there is only $2 million

2358
02:59:09,975 --> 02:59:13,805
total out of these, this, uh, change in what

2359
02:59:14,005 --> 02:59:17,885
they're doing here. And when you're talking about the increase in appropriations

2360
02:59:18,715 --> 02:59:22,605
says that it's 2 million, it's maximum, but it doesn't clarify the first bullet

2361
02:59:22,895 --> 02:59:26,405
point. And and to me, uh, I think it's not clear,

2362
02:59:27,225 --> 02:59:31,125
uh, generally and if, if this would help clarify it and if,

2363
02:59:31,385 --> 02:59:35,025
why wouldn't there be a res uh, an ability to clarify it?

2364
02:59:35,705 --> 02:59:39,365
uh, what would be the, the difficulty in, in clarifying it

2365
02:59:39,795 --> 02:59:43,325
that says under no circumstance would there be more than $2 million

2366
02:59:44,785 --> 02:59:48,785
of, uh, used for this purpose. Mr. Roth, if

2367
02:59:49,005 --> 02:59:52,885
I could just make it clear, because of the way we typically

2368
02:59:53,325 --> 02:59:56,285
present agenda items anyway that we come to counsel for authorization

2369
02:59:57,625 --> 03:00:00,845
in both bullets. If I'm looking at the motion,

2370
03:00:01,795 --> 03:00:05,705
both say not to exceed the transfer from the

2371
03:00:05,955 --> 03:00:09,465
contingency into the general fund and the

2372
03:00:10,005 --> 03:00:13,825
appropriations that would move over into real estate, it says not to exceed. And

2373
03:00:14,045 --> 03:00:17,845
that is the language that we use on all agenda items that we bring to council

2374
03:00:18,435 --> 03:00:22,165
when we're asking you to un authorize a certain amount. And for us not to exceed

2375
03:00:22,445 --> 03:00:26,425
that amount. So that is our standard language. Thank you for your clarification. To

2376
03:00:26,645 --> 03:00:30,585
me in reading this, there's two buckets of money. And

2377
03:00:30,805 --> 03:00:34,585
when you have two buckets of money, each bucket can't exceed 2 million.

2378
03:00:35,505 --> 03:00:39,105
but to combined, we are only going to spend 2 million,

2379
03:00:40,305 --> 03:00:44,245
not 2 million from each bucket. And that's what's not clear to me.

2380
03:00:44,625 --> 03:00:48,525
and so, and if it's not clear to me, and I apologize for not being the

2381
03:00:48,725 --> 03:00:52,645
brightest bulb in the, in the room, but I have a feeling that this

2382
03:00:52,855 --> 03:00:56,765
isn't real clear. So I would like to make it clear and if it's clear for

2383
03:00:56,965 --> 03:01:00,785
me, maybe it'll be clear for others. And that's what I would encourage, uh, our

2384
03:01:01,005 --> 03:01:05,005
colleagues to agree to. Well, chairman west has raised a point of order about the

2385
03:01:05,205 --> 03:01:08,785
appropriateness of the amendment being essentially, um,

2386
03:01:11,395 --> 03:01:15,275
not an amendment. I mean, the parliamentarian can can

2387
03:01:15,925 --> 03:01:19,845
give you further explanation, but basically it's, it's, it's

2388
03:01:20,375 --> 03:01:24,365
a wordsmithing issue because of, based on what the city manager just

2389
03:01:24,655 --> 03:01:28,335
said, based on what the pretty

2390
03:01:28,755 --> 03:01:32,275
much the plain language of the amendment says. It says already what you're

2391
03:01:33,135 --> 03:01:35,875
trying to amend it to do. So the amendment doesn't change anything.

2392
03:01:37,335 --> 03:01:41,295
so it's, it's, I guess superfluous is a good word. But, um,

2393
03:01:43,525 --> 03:01:47,415
would you want to, you wanna elaborate any further on that? I mean, mr.

2394
03:01:47,635 --> 03:01:50,955
mayor, I, you, you explained it, it's, it's somewhat redundant at this point,

2395
03:01:51,975 --> 03:01:55,865
so I'm gonna sustain his point of order and say that essentially

2396
03:01:56,555 --> 03:02:00,155
your intent is already accomplished in the, in the existing language.

2397
03:02:00,815 --> 03:02:04,695
um, point of information. Mayor, could we have the mr.

2398
03:02:05,255 --> 03:02:08,745
west's current motion reread? It might clarify

2399
03:02:09,305 --> 03:02:13,235
this issue. We, we can. Um, and then I want to go

2400
03:02:13,415 --> 03:02:17,395
to ms. Adeena, I believe for five minutes

2401
03:02:17,895 --> 03:02:21,785
on, on this motion that's being written. Okay.

2402
03:02:22,155 --> 03:02:26,155
I I got you. Okay. That's right, you're right. Oh, I forgot. She, the secretary just told

2403
03:02:26,315 --> 03:02:30,135
me that's a mistake. Sorry. I'm gonna go to ms. Blackman after we read it one

2404
03:02:30,355 --> 03:02:34,355
more time. Just everyone can know it. Is it reflected in this

2405
03:02:34,605 --> 03:02:38,595
piece of paper now accurately? Is there a piece of paper that we can

2406
03:02:38,745 --> 03:02:42,635
have everybody look at too so we don't have to spend too much more time reading it over?

2407
03:02:43,495 --> 03:02:47,475
go ahead. Thank you. I move to approve this item with the following, change to the source

2408
03:02:47,715 --> 03:02:51,595
of funds by eliminating reference to the transfer of arpa funds.

2409
03:02:52,095 --> 03:02:55,835
and instead authorize the city manager to transfer funds

2410
03:02:56,535 --> 03:03:00,475
in an amount not to exceed $2 million from the general

2411
03:03:00,785 --> 03:03:04,395
fund contingency reserve fund to the general fund and increase

2412
03:03:04,915 --> 03:03:08,895
appropriations in an amount not to exceed $2 million in

2413
03:03:09,115 --> 03:03:12,995
facilities and real estate management from general fund contingency fund reserve fund

2414
03:03:14,495 --> 03:03:18,425
ms. Black. Will you recognize for five minutes on, on that motion? Thank you. Okay.

2415
03:03:18,865 --> 03:03:22,725
jack, um, where did you go? You

2416
03:03:22,945 --> 03:03:26,945
used to answer, well, I didn't hear the question to see if it was mr. Oh, the

2417
03:03:27,105 --> 03:03:30,735
question is, is I would like to understand can for the public, what

2418
03:03:31,205 --> 03:03:34,065
is the contingency rever reserve fund used for?

2419
03:03:38,355 --> 03:03:41,985
thank you, uh, jack arland, chief financial officer. So the city of dallas

2420
03:03:42,405 --> 03:03:46,405
has, um, a few different reserve funds that we

2421
03:03:46,655 --> 03:03:50,145
have. So in total we have an unassigned fund balance

2422
03:03:50,855 --> 03:03:54,685
that has a minimum balance, uh, between 50 days and

2423
03:03:54,905 --> 03:03:58,645
70 days according to our fmpc. We currently have about

2424
03:03:58,965 --> 03:04:02,615
$338 million in there. Did you that represent 62

2425
03:04:03,245 --> 03:04:06,885
days, you said th 3 38. I'm sorry, I

2426
03:04:07,345 --> 03:04:11,165
I'm asking 338 million for the unassigned. I'm just writing it

2427
03:04:11,365 --> 03:04:13,375
down. I'm 338 million.

2428
03:04:15,665 --> 03:04:19,505
yes ma'am. 330 un unsigned fund balance? Yes.

2429
03:04:19,955 --> 03:04:23,725
okay. And that is made up of the emergency reserve.

2430
03:04:24,505 --> 03:04:28,355
so we have an emergency reserve that is one reserve within that that

2431
03:04:28,645 --> 03:04:32,345
is 50 million. We have a contingency reserve, which is 10.3 million.

2432
03:04:34,425 --> 03:04:37,325
we have, uh, employee benefit reserve, which is 16.1 million.

2433
03:04:38,905 --> 03:04:42,805
and then we have residual that's, uh, not encumbered, not committed funds of

2434
03:04:43,005 --> 03:04:45,925
$278 million for a total of about 338 million.

2435
03:04:47,585 --> 03:04:51,405
so specifically within that, the contingency reserve fund is a fund

2436
03:04:51,685 --> 03:04:55,245
that is a reserve that is established through our financial management

2437
03:04:55,725 --> 03:04:59,675
performance criteria. It is a component of the unassigned fund fund

2438
03:04:59,965 --> 03:05:03,805
balance. It shall be used to provide for unanticipated needs that arise during

2439
03:05:04,165 --> 03:05:07,085
the year. Examples of those, but not all inclusive

2440
03:05:08,325 --> 03:05:12,165
expenses associated with the new service that wasn't identified during the

2441
03:05:12,365 --> 03:05:16,175
budget process. New public safety or health needs, revenue shortfalls,

2442
03:05:16,845 --> 03:05:20,685
service enhancements. So those are just some examples of things that

2443
03:05:20,885 --> 03:05:24,865
come up outside of the budget process that this, uh, fund was

2444
03:05:25,085 --> 03:05:29,085
set up so that we could come to city council if the, uh, need arose

2445
03:05:29,825 --> 03:05:33,125
and ask for you to transfer the money out of the reserve

2446
03:05:34,065 --> 03:05:37,795
and into the general fund and then appropriate it within the general fund

2447
03:05:38,105 --> 03:05:41,755
so that we can spend it for whatever the council, uh, directs

2448
03:05:42,245 --> 03:05:46,005
us to do. So as I mentioned, we had $10.3 million in the fund

2449
03:05:46,425 --> 03:05:50,385
in the reserve as we started the year in april, we came to the

2450
03:05:50,605 --> 03:05:54,525
council and requested to use $200,000 out of the

2451
03:05:54,645 --> 03:05:58,245
contingency reserve because something came up outside of the budget process

2452
03:05:58,945 --> 03:06:02,205
for the, um, I forget the word. The, uh, non-conforming,

2453
03:06:03,415 --> 03:06:06,405
thank you non-conforming uses. We used $200,000

2454
03:06:07,665 --> 03:06:11,555
for that prior to that. The last time we used it was at the end of last fiscal year

2455
03:06:12,155 --> 03:06:16,105
when we were taking back operation of fair park and we needed to use

2456
03:06:16,325 --> 03:06:20,255
$4 million for that purpose. So this, um, use today

2457
03:06:20,665 --> 03:06:24,605
is appropriate within, uh, the contingency reserve fund if council

2458
03:06:25,335 --> 03:06:29,245
authorizes the transfer out of the reserve and the appropriation of the dollars.

2459
03:06:30,505 --> 03:06:34,405
so is the 10.3 that is what it's in there

2460
03:06:34,665 --> 03:06:38,625
now or is that what was in the budget? And then you have to subtract it two. It's 0.1 today. 10.

2461
03:06:38,845 --> 03:06:42,805
okay. And so with this amendment it would go down to eight and then

2462
03:06:42,965 --> 03:06:46,325
the next amendment it would go down? Well, we can talk about that, yes ma'am. Okay. So it'd go down to eight.

2463
03:06:47,345 --> 03:06:51,175
um, so back on the motion it says terms,

2464
03:06:52,085 --> 03:06:56,085
responsibilities and cost sharing. I get the terms, but can you define

2465
03:06:56,405 --> 03:07:00,405
what responsibilities, and I don't know if it's peter, I don't know if it's frmi don't know

2466
03:07:00,485 --> 03:07:04,275
who, but I'm trying to understand because back to what ms. Cena said, what

2467
03:07:04,565 --> 03:07:08,525
are we going to get back at the end of this exercise? And so it would be

2468
03:07:08,685 --> 03:07:12,525
understanding what responsibilities and even cost sharing. What does that

2469
03:07:13,005 --> 03:07:16,705
mean? So that's not a question I can answer. So I will turn to,

2470
03:07:17,065 --> 03:07:17,305
uh, mr. Jensen.

2471
03:07:26,795 --> 03:07:30,785
I think the, uh, most impactful items you'll get

2472
03:07:30,905 --> 03:07:34,745
back, um, through this process is very clearly

2473
03:07:35,065 --> 03:07:38,945
articulation of test fits in different buildings. Okay. Now test fits

2474
03:07:39,185 --> 03:07:43,185
are what test fits for different occupancy plans and programs that the city

2475
03:07:43,305 --> 03:07:47,245
have articulated. So, um, that is a enormous and

2476
03:07:47,465 --> 03:07:51,365
an impactful step, um, because every different building and an

2477
03:07:51,705 --> 03:07:55,285
opportunity has, uh, different efficiency ratios and

2478
03:07:55,895 --> 03:07:59,895
will land at a different number. So you can't paint in broad strokes of 500,000

2479
03:08:00,825 --> 03:08:04,625
feet or 550 or 400, uh, when you start going through this process,

2480
03:08:04,885 --> 03:08:08,405
you'll, you'll land at very precise numbers. So that's just an example of

2481
03:08:08,925 --> 03:08:12,685
due diligence that will be completed during this step so that, you know, whether you need to occupy

2482
03:08:13,495 --> 03:08:17,345
400, 425, 350, um, there are a host of

2483
03:08:17,705 --> 03:08:21,585
decisions that go into that, but that's an example of, of work that would be completed

2484
03:08:21,985 --> 03:08:25,545
during this step. So is that considered responsibilities? I'm just trying to understand what

2485
03:08:26,265 --> 03:08:30,265
responsibilities is in this context. It says define terms,

2486
03:08:31,025 --> 03:08:34,225
responsibilities, and cost sharing. I get the terms and cost sharing

2487
03:08:35,385 --> 03:08:39,305
responsibilities is what I don't quite understand what we're gonna get back.

2488
03:08:41,085 --> 03:08:44,805
um, here's an example and I think the best one is, is,

2489
03:08:45,265 --> 03:08:49,205
um, I'm thinking through this, uh, live with you, but I think the best example

2490
03:08:49,545 --> 03:08:53,505
is probably related to city council chambers or custom

2491
03:08:54,075 --> 03:08:57,845
work inside of an asset. Um, city will

2492
03:08:58,125 --> 03:09:02,005
have obligations and responsibilities in terms of giving information to architects,

2493
03:09:02,925 --> 03:09:06,485
engineers, audio visual, uh, technology companies,

2494
03:09:06,945 --> 03:09:10,455
uh, furniture companies, for example, to arrive at definitive

2495
03:09:11,125 --> 03:09:14,385
information related to that specific program. So, um,

2496
03:09:15,345 --> 03:09:19,305
one of the good things about binding agreements is that they obligate both of the parties to

2497
03:09:19,525 --> 03:09:23,485
perform. So you can't string parties along or, um, ask them

2498
03:09:23,605 --> 03:09:27,485
to do work that is non-contractual, so to speak. So, um, I think your

2499
03:09:28,005 --> 03:09:31,665
responsibilities here are mainly related in referencing information sharing and

2500
03:09:32,165 --> 03:09:36,025
feedback, um, so that people can price things so that people can, um,

2501
03:09:36,245 --> 03:09:39,965
provide feedback and understand the risk of executing different requests from the city.

2502
03:09:40,305 --> 03:09:44,245
is that answer your question? Yes. Yes. Thank you. And it says no more than

2503
03:09:44,475 --> 03:09:48,445
four properties in the cbd. So that, can you define

2504
03:09:48,795 --> 03:09:50,825
what the dallas central business district is

2505
03:09:53,145 --> 03:09:57,125
or any, anyone, the definition that is

2506
03:09:57,325 --> 03:10:00,445
already used? I think it's within the boundaries

2507
03:10:01,345 --> 03:10:05,235
of, I wanna say it's woodall rogers running the traditional one. It's woodall

2508
03:10:05,725 --> 03:10:09,565
rogers 3 45. It's the, the traditional cd that would, okay, I just wanna make sure that, because

2509
03:10:10,465 --> 03:10:14,365
ccb d gets very, uh, fluid, right? Yes ma'am. And I would just wanna

2510
03:10:14,565 --> 03:10:18,485
make sure that that's, I think people have been chiming in on possible locations.

2511
03:10:18,945 --> 03:10:22,885
and just to be clear, yes, the cbd is this traditionally defined c

2512
03:10:23,005 --> 03:10:26,445
it is the current way we defined the cbd. Okay. Yes. Um, I believe

2513
03:10:27,025 --> 03:10:30,745
mr. West talked about lease options in his opening, um,

2514
03:10:31,205 --> 03:10:35,205
comments. I am not for a lease and so, um, I just think

2515
03:10:35,365 --> 03:10:39,325
it'd be crazy for a city to do any kind of lease. So I just wanted to put that on the record

2516
03:10:39,885 --> 03:10:43,305
'cause I had, uh, lease options here. Um,

2517
03:10:44,025 --> 03:10:48,005
and so what in, and then you look at including cost reimbursements to

2518
03:10:48,605 --> 03:10:52,045
property owners. What do you anticipate as being

2519
03:10:52,725 --> 03:10:53,765
a cost reimbursement

2520
03:10:58,435 --> 03:11:02,325
when you move from test fits into schematic design or specific engineering

2521
03:11:02,605 --> 03:11:06,565
work or something that is atypical and non customary

2522
03:11:07,305 --> 03:11:11,085
for, um, call it administrative office, build out? Those could be

2523
03:11:11,405 --> 03:11:14,925
possible reimbursements, but I would point you all back to what we discussed

2524
03:11:15,465 --> 03:11:19,155
in executive session, um, that this is very much a function of negotiation,

2525
03:11:20,305 --> 03:11:24,105
um, and function of leverage. Um, and the

2526
03:11:24,435 --> 03:11:27,845
idea that we are 100% responsible for all costs,

2527
03:11:28,865 --> 03:11:32,765
um, is strictly something that should be negotiated. So the most important thing I think that's

2528
03:11:33,005 --> 03:11:37,005
happening today is you all are giving us authority to negotiate, um, so that we

2529
03:11:37,125 --> 03:11:41,025
can understand, uh, the final risk sharing and cost sharing for certain items. So

2530
03:11:41,245 --> 03:11:45,205
the cost reimbursements are not necessarily in the due

2531
03:11:45,405 --> 03:11:49,345
diligence, but moving out of the due diligence into a final one. Or is

2532
03:11:49,565 --> 03:11:53,545
it stuff that we have to reimburse, like you said, schematic for an

2533
03:11:53,765 --> 03:11:57,685
architect to do a rendering? It, it's very hard to speak in broad

2534
03:11:57,925 --> 03:12:01,845
strokes when you're talking about very different properties, uh, and very different ownership groups.

2535
03:12:02,385 --> 03:12:06,325
and, um, so I'd say that's a possibility. Um, but I won't speak in absolutes

2536
03:12:06,645 --> 03:12:10,075
because I think that limits us. So it it is just gonna, it's gonna vary.

2537
03:12:11,065 --> 03:12:14,765
yes ma'am. Um, is there a possibility that it could be less than four?

2538
03:12:16,485 --> 03:12:20,045
I don't think we're talking about $4 million. So I think it's two. No, it says no, no, four properties. Sorry.

2539
03:12:20,765 --> 03:12:24,725
I think oh, oh, property. If I could just, because it says right here, four, no more than four

2540
03:12:24,965 --> 03:12:28,885
properties, locations. And I'm just wondering with $2 million, that's a

2541
03:12:29,005 --> 03:12:32,325
half a million for each property to do it. And I'm just wondering if there's a possibility.

2542
03:12:33,785 --> 03:12:37,275
so with that, going into the details that we've shared in closed session, I think we've given counsel

2543
03:12:38,065 --> 03:12:41,905
an overview of the potential options. I think based on the feedback the

2544
03:12:42,125 --> 03:12:46,025
council provided, we know that there is a, there's a pool now

2545
03:12:46,245 --> 03:12:49,885
that we should be focused on, and that is totally based on the feedback that you've

2546
03:12:50,325 --> 03:12:54,305
provided within those sessions. So that's why it says no more than four, right? So

2547
03:12:54,545 --> 03:12:57,745
I'm asking is there a possibility that it could be two

2548
03:12:59,265 --> 03:13:02,975
or it could be all four, it would be premature for me to give you that final answer until

2549
03:13:03,325 --> 03:13:07,265
we come back with that due diligence to where you'll even know if it's four or one or

2550
03:13:07,485 --> 03:13:11,485
if it's four, three or four or two. I think that's part of the process. Okay. So if four are

2551
03:13:11,685 --> 03:13:14,825
in the pool, who's gonna narrow it down to two?

2552
03:13:16,345 --> 03:13:20,045
is that you guys or is? 'cause we know the, I mean, there's a pool of four

2553
03:13:20,505 --> 03:13:24,405
and it says four. So if it all of a sudden, oh wait, are

2554
03:13:24,525 --> 03:13:28,365
we gonna do two? I think our responsibility or my responsibility, councilwoman

2555
03:13:29,205 --> 03:13:33,165
blackman, is to bring back the results of the due diligence, not to make

2556
03:13:33,325 --> 03:13:37,325
any preconceived ideas about where the numbers should be once we come back.

2557
03:13:37,965 --> 03:13:41,885
I think that's what you're asking for us to bring to this body so that you can do that. So that

2558
03:13:42,045 --> 03:13:45,765
will be a part of our, the work that we will bring back. So will we see all of the properties

2559
03:13:46,205 --> 03:13:50,045
that you do due diligence on? We will bring you back the results of the due diligence,

2560
03:13:50,665 --> 03:13:54,645
but of all of 'em that you do it. So say you go down four and you see one of

2561
03:13:54,765 --> 03:13:58,725
them may not necessarily cover it. Can we still see that one? If that's what

2562
03:13:58,845 --> 03:14:02,535
council chooses to do? Um, if there could be a situation where we've

2563
03:14:02,885 --> 03:14:06,685
got four and we go and we start this process and, and one falls

2564
03:14:06,925 --> 03:14:10,845
out. So I just can't give you the directness until we are on the other side of it.

2565
03:14:11,745 --> 03:14:15,565
and are all the, um, information that we collect,

2566
03:14:16,545 --> 03:14:20,445
is it gonna be subject to open records? And I may, maybe not you,

2567
03:14:20,645 --> 03:14:24,325
pete, or maybe that's a attorney. We, we answered that one

2568
03:14:24,675 --> 03:14:28,565
last week. 'cause there were questions about reports that yes, I'd like to hear from the attorney, but it

2569
03:14:28,685 --> 03:14:32,525
was done in back there. Not a problem. I would like to know from the attorney

2570
03:14:32,795 --> 03:14:36,745
that when this information is collected, is

2571
03:14:36,985 --> 03:14:39,885
it subject it, it can, is it gonna be open to the public?

2572
03:15:01,175 --> 03:15:05,105
hi, connie ker with city attorney's office. Um, so while it's

2573
03:15:05,455 --> 03:15:08,795
in being deliberated or information that the city council would deliberate

2574
03:15:09,615 --> 03:15:13,105
in executive session, it would mean it would not be subject to open records. Okay.

2575
03:15:13,775 --> 03:15:17,715
uh, release. But it does really does depend on the nature of the information that's brought

2576
03:15:17,955 --> 03:15:21,515
to you. So we have to wait until to receive the information,

2577
03:15:22,575 --> 03:15:26,305
go through it, and then it could be made public if, if it moves forward. Correct.

2578
03:15:27,065 --> 03:15:30,995
okay. So, um, this process, the public will not see any details?

2579
03:15:32,135 --> 03:15:36,115
no. It's after we've decided, uh, that this is the one that

2580
03:15:36,235 --> 03:15:40,195
we're going with. Right. Then now that information gets and does all the

2581
03:15:40,355 --> 03:15:44,335
other ones get released as well at that time? Or are those still remaining in, in

2582
03:15:44,555 --> 03:15:48,515
the executive privilege? So it depends on the nature of the information and in

2583
03:15:48,635 --> 03:15:52,495
what form it's delivered to the city. Um, so some of these property owners might

2584
03:15:53,225 --> 03:15:57,045
say these are draft presentations, and so draft presentations not being

2585
03:15:57,245 --> 03:16:00,865
finalized can be, uh, exempted from open records. But

2586
03:16:01,325 --> 03:16:05,325
anything that would be of information that would allow the city council to deliberate on its final

2587
03:16:05,885 --> 03:16:09,805
decision, um, would not be subject to open records until you've actually acted

2588
03:16:10,185 --> 03:16:13,285
on the information that you've received. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

2589
03:16:15,425 --> 03:16:19,245
ms. Kadena, you're recognized for five minutes. Um, peter, I, is there underlying

2590
03:16:19,805 --> 03:16:23,425
motion? Yeah. Peter, I have a question for you. So you mentioned, um,

2591
03:16:24,345 --> 03:16:28,145
due diligence included the environmental assessment. Can

2592
03:16:28,365 --> 03:16:30,555
you tell me a little bit more about that and what that entails?

2593
03:16:32,835 --> 03:16:36,695
uh, I think the best reference point is the work that you all perform to your own city hall

2594
03:16:37,075 --> 03:16:40,965
and that, um, every environmental assessment starts with your generic,

2595
03:16:41,795 --> 03:16:45,415
uh, environmental site assessment, phase one, and that will have findings

2596
03:16:46,115 --> 03:16:50,095
or may not have findings. And then if it has findings and a recommendation to proceed

2597
03:16:50,415 --> 03:16:54,255
to other phases of investigation, then you proceed to that. So, um, that's

2598
03:16:54,655 --> 03:16:58,495
why it's a little bit, um, well it's impossible to predict exactly

2599
03:16:58,965 --> 03:17:02,855
what due diligence is done on every single asset here because you don't know what the findings are

2600
03:17:03,215 --> 03:17:07,175
going to be. Um, but that will have a, uh, material impact on the process.

2601
03:17:08,395 --> 03:17:11,965
so it doesn't include remediation or a pricing out of what that potential

2602
03:17:12,575 --> 03:17:16,535
remediation could cost. N no, I, I disagree. It could include

2603
03:17:16,895 --> 03:17:20,625
those things, but it, you don't know what the buildings have, you all didn't know what was in this building until

2604
03:17:20,975 --> 03:17:24,815
you perform the technical work. Um, and that illuminated a path of

2605
03:17:25,015 --> 03:17:28,575
other information you had to gather. So it very much could include those things.

2606
03:17:29,115 --> 03:17:32,695
um, that's part of the due diligence. Okay. Thank you.

2607
03:17:33,675 --> 03:17:37,255
and then, um, how will the information be provided to us and the residents,

2608
03:17:37,835 --> 03:17:41,515
um, from the due diligence? Will it be on the website? How,

2609
03:17:41,875 --> 03:17:45,495
how would that be disseminated? I think the city attorney

2610
03:17:46,215 --> 03:17:50,095
answered some of that, so I will not answer that portion of it, but I think council has asked us to

2611
03:17:50,255 --> 03:17:54,135
come back with the side by side comparison. I think we have to be able to share that

2612
03:17:54,295 --> 03:17:57,565
with the council and then once there's additional opportunities

2613
03:17:58,475 --> 03:18:02,385
for you guys to ask questions, we definitely wanna have a public presentation about

2614
03:18:02,735 --> 03:18:06,735
it. That information will be provided to the body. Any additional details that

2615
03:18:07,015 --> 03:18:10,995
need to be either posted on our website, the reports, at that time, it would be available to

2616
03:18:11,215 --> 03:18:14,605
the public. And again, it's pretty much the council's, um, prerogative

2617
03:18:15,715 --> 03:18:19,295
for any meetings that you wanna have in your districts to describe that information

2618
03:18:19,775 --> 03:18:23,695
as you've already done through some of the town hall meetings that you've had. That would be something

2619
03:18:23,975 --> 03:18:27,955
that can continue, uh, based on the direction of the council. Okay. And

2620
03:18:28,175 --> 03:18:32,055
then I have one more question. Um, would this fall under procurement rules

2621
03:18:32,305 --> 03:18:35,995
where council members are not allowed to speak to the applicants or, um,

2622
03:18:36,525 --> 03:18:37,335
tenants of the building?

2623
03:18:55,575 --> 03:18:59,035
so, so could you, uh, just clarify your question?

2624
03:18:59,665 --> 03:19:03,585
yeah. Would this be like a procurement process where applicants are not able to meet

2625
03:19:04,015 --> 03:19:08,005
or, uh, speak with council members? Like, would this be a close

2626
03:19:08,385 --> 03:19:12,145
time or are we allowed to? So real

2627
03:19:12,435 --> 03:19:16,385
estate acquisitions are not subject to procurement. Okay.

2628
03:19:16,695 --> 03:19:20,565
um, so you're not making any expenditure right now that you would

2629
03:19:20,915 --> 03:19:24,875
be engaging for goods or services? So I would

2630
03:19:24,995 --> 03:19:28,955
have to say no. Okay. And is there a time when that may come into play?

2631
03:19:29,905 --> 03:19:33,775
sure. Um, to the extent that the city would acquire property in

2632
03:19:34,155 --> 03:19:38,135
whatever manner, whether it be a lease, lease to purchase or ownership, um, and

2633
03:19:38,375 --> 03:19:41,475
you engage, uh, third parties to conduct services,

2634
03:19:42,595 --> 03:19:46,255
possibly construction or you acquire goods, um, to outfit

2635
03:19:46,815 --> 03:19:50,555
the property, then procurement would apply. Okay. Thank you.

2636
03:19:51,215 --> 03:19:54,075
and then jack, I have one question for you. If you're still around,

2637
03:19:56,055 --> 03:20:00,035
can you, can I hear the question and then I'll say if mr. Allen needs to answer that?

2638
03:20:00,705 --> 03:20:04,675
yeah, I was just wondering if the contingency funds, 'cause I, we've used that

2639
03:20:05,115 --> 03:20:09,115
I think for some, for an item in my district, but if that could be also be used

2640
03:20:09,315 --> 03:20:13,245
for repairs of city hall, mr. Arlan,

2641
03:20:15,255 --> 03:20:19,115
the question is whether or not, if any of the contingency funds that have been described, the one

2642
03:20:19,275 --> 03:20:22,355
in particular that we're using for this item, could it be used for repair

2643
03:20:23,295 --> 03:20:27,155
if, if there's an emergency in, in this, in-between period? I apologize.

2644
03:20:27,655 --> 03:20:31,035
ms. Tolbert, can you, I just didn't hear you the question. I apologize.

2645
03:20:31,955 --> 03:20:35,945
I I'm wondering if the contingency fund can be used during this time when,

2646
03:20:36,575 --> 03:20:40,395
um, you know, like if there's an emergency that arises for repairs

2647
03:20:40,835 --> 03:20:44,735
of city hall if needed. So if the question

2648
03:20:44,855 --> 03:20:48,645
is, can contingency reserve be used for emergency repairs

2649
03:20:49,395 --> 03:20:53,225
of city hall? This city hall? Yes, ma'am. If the city council voted

2650
03:20:53,575 --> 03:20:57,495
to transfer out of contingency reserve, uh, and it's determined

2651
03:20:57,735 --> 03:21:00,735
to be an unbudgeted need? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you.

2652
03:21:04,115 --> 03:21:07,775
mr. Roth, you're recognized for, oh, sorry. Hold on a second.

2653
03:21:08,285 --> 03:21:12,275
nope. Still, still. Everyone is on round two. So three minutes for

2654
03:21:12,495 --> 03:21:16,255
you mr. Roth, and then, um, chairwoman. Oh, you haven't spoken on this.

2655
03:21:16,645 --> 03:21:20,505
okay. I'm gonna go to you first then. Five minutes. Thank

2656
03:21:20,855 --> 03:21:24,835
you. Um, can you walk us through step by step how the universe of

2657
03:21:25,165 --> 03:21:29,135
potential sites was identified and narrowed down to just the four locations?

2658
03:21:36,025 --> 03:21:39,585
I mean, I think the public needs to understand what the process is here.

2659
03:21:42,685 --> 03:21:46,485
uh, final reference, mr. Mayor point of what point of clarity

2660
03:21:46,985 --> 03:21:49,645
are we getting to, uh, information that was presented in executive session?

2661
03:21:57,175 --> 03:22:00,995
mr. Sustained, I had to ask the parliamentary and let's steer

2662
03:22:01,325 --> 03:22:04,795
clear the executive session content. I'm sorry.

2663
03:22:05,475 --> 03:22:09,025
I just wanna understand exactly what it is you're ruling out of order that

2664
03:22:09,535 --> 03:22:12,795
the public can't understand what the process was for narrowing it down.

2665
03:22:13,755 --> 03:22:17,755
I mean, that does not seem like that would be covered by an executive session

2666
03:22:18,025 --> 03:22:21,785
item. If it was discussed during

2667
03:22:22,085 --> 03:22:25,965
an executive session and only then I, it's literally the

2668
03:22:26,185 --> 03:22:30,095
subject of the executive session. It's literally the topic. Well,

2669
03:22:30,485 --> 03:22:34,155
the process was not the topic though. It was part of a real estate discussion.

2670
03:22:35,055 --> 03:22:38,985
okay. I'm sorry. I don't mean to debate you. Thank you. I understand. I I'm just,

2671
03:22:39,325 --> 03:22:43,215
I'm I'm trying to also make sure that we don't, um, violate

2672
03:22:43,885 --> 03:22:47,665
our own, well, our own state laws and everything else about executive session

2673
03:22:47,905 --> 03:22:51,545
content. We were in executive session on real estate matters.

2674
03:22:51,995 --> 03:22:55,785
right? That was a, that was, that was, that's what that was posted for, I believe.

2675
03:22:56,085 --> 03:22:59,705
so I'm not sustain I understand point of I understand you're sustaining

2676
03:23:00,185 --> 03:23:04,135
that. I don't agree, but I will move on. Um, what specific criteria were

2677
03:23:04,425 --> 03:23:08,265
used to determine which properties made the short list and who developed that

2678
03:23:08,705 --> 03:23:12,675
criteria? Point

2679
03:23:13,025 --> 03:23:16,585
of clarity? Mr. Mr. Mayor. It seemed like they sustain point of order. Sustained. Sustained. Thank you.

2680
03:23:19,685 --> 03:23:22,435
what properties were considered but eliminated and why?

2681
03:23:24,145 --> 03:23:25,365
point of order mr. Mayor sustained.

2682
03:23:29,195 --> 03:23:32,535
how many buildings were evaluated before arriving at just four sites?

2683
03:23:33,625 --> 03:23:34,885
point of order. Mr. Mayor sustained.

2684
03:23:38,165 --> 03:23:40,985
what instructions were given to brokers, consultant staff,

2685
03:23:42,185 --> 03:23:45,655
third parties regarding the search for potential sites? Point of order mr. Mayor

2686
03:23:46,565 --> 03:23:50,495
sustained. Were any city owned properties

2687
03:23:51,005 --> 03:23:53,735
evaluated as alternatives? And if so, what were the findings?

2688
03:23:55,065 --> 03:23:58,975
point of order mr. Mayor sustained. Really not even to

2689
03:23:59,175 --> 03:24:02,905
know if we looked at any city properties, we're

2690
03:24:03,255 --> 03:24:07,245
not gonna disadvantage ourselves. And, and how we go about assessing

2691
03:24:07,855 --> 03:24:11,775
the market and telling everybody what we discuss in an executive session about our

2692
03:24:12,215 --> 03:24:15,935
approach to this. We're any properties outside the central

2693
03:24:16,455 --> 03:24:20,005
business district considered point of order mr. Mayor sustained.

2694
03:24:22,135 --> 03:24:26,095
specifically what due diligence activities were contemplated under this resolution

2695
03:24:26,625 --> 03:24:27,415
point of order? Mr. Mayor?

2696
03:24:31,795 --> 03:24:34,715
yeah. 'cause I think we're just automatically saying that. Nope.

2697
03:24:35,965 --> 03:24:39,685
specifically what due diligence activities are contemplated

2698
03:24:40,455 --> 03:24:41,405
under this resolution?

2699
03:24:46,485 --> 03:24:47,245
I think you can answer that.

2700
03:24:57,595 --> 03:25:00,135
can you repeat the question, please? Specifically,

2701
03:25:01,645 --> 03:25:05,175
what due diligence activities are contemplated

2702
03:25:06,505 --> 03:25:10,255
under this resolution? I don't believe that I should have my time docked for repeating

2703
03:25:10,695 --> 03:25:14,575
it for the third time. Could you please remove, put my time back? Okay. Hold, hold on

2704
03:25:14,735 --> 03:25:18,535
one second. I think I, I'm, I'm saying

2705
03:25:18,855 --> 03:25:22,615
I think that's a question that can be answered. I don't think that that's, I know, but not inappropriate.

2706
03:25:23,075 --> 03:25:27,015
and I know and repeating it the third time I lost time, it should have been returned to

2707
03:25:27,215 --> 03:25:31,135
me. It should have been frozen. If I'm repeating the same question

2708
03:25:31,675 --> 03:25:35,535
for the convenience of staff. Okay. Give her 10 seconds

2709
03:25:35,885 --> 03:25:39,695
back and then please answer that question.

2710
03:25:40,105 --> 03:25:43,495
thank you. Um, and thank you for the question. Councilman middleston. We've given several examples

2711
03:25:44,445 --> 03:25:48,155
already as to what would be included in the due diligence. Um,

2712
03:25:48,535 --> 03:25:52,335
I would ask mr. Janssen if there's something that we've not given at this point

2713
03:25:52,755 --> 03:25:56,535
to please share that, again, protecting the process as well as the potential

2714
03:25:57,055 --> 03:25:59,655
market, um, work in the integrity of the market.

2715
03:26:01,955 --> 03:26:05,675
I, I very much appreciate the, the spirit of the question and the thematic,

2716
03:26:06,615 --> 03:26:10,455
uh, question from, from staff and the public. Um,

2717
03:26:11,215 --> 03:26:14,625
due diligence encompasses a whole range of activities, um, including,

2718
03:26:15,855 --> 03:26:19,835
um, environmental, um, we spoke to earlier, including test fits

2719
03:26:20,115 --> 03:26:23,995
that I spoke to earlier, including, uh, custom design work where necessary,

2720
03:26:25,055 --> 03:26:28,835
um, to evaluate city council chambers, uh, and engineering

2721
03:26:29,155 --> 03:26:33,155
that goes along with that. Um, parking is a due diligence item.

2722
03:26:33,615 --> 03:26:37,535
um, you all have discussed that at length today as well. But, um, all of these are,

2723
03:26:38,455 --> 03:26:42,095
um, requisite steps to fully understand the

2724
03:26:42,635 --> 03:26:46,475
magnitude of the decision you all might make later. So, um, that's just a list of examples,

2725
03:26:47,055 --> 03:26:50,555
but, um, the path can take different iterations

2726
03:26:51,175 --> 03:26:55,135
as you learn things about different assets, much like the path has iterated here on

2727
03:26:55,355 --> 03:26:59,275
city hall as you've learned information. Council member mendelson, I will hold your

2728
03:26:59,475 --> 03:27:01,555
time for 10 seconds. Thank you.

2729
03:27:04,205 --> 03:27:08,055
what reports, studies, inspections, analysis, or consultant work products will

2730
03:27:08,295 --> 03:27:08,455
be generated?

2731
03:27:16,705 --> 03:27:20,485
is it a question? For me? It is. Okay. Um, I think it's impossible

2732
03:27:20,925 --> 03:27:24,715
to speak specifically to every different asset and every different item that

2733
03:27:25,005 --> 03:27:28,955
will occur. Um, 'cause you may learn something about an asset that

2734
03:27:29,245 --> 03:27:32,935
says, okay, no more due diligence on that asset. That's a deal killer. You know, so there

2735
03:27:33,345 --> 03:27:37,005
are possibilities where, um, there's not gonna be deliverables on certain assets

2736
03:27:37,365 --> 03:27:41,205
depending on what you find. So I think it's impossible to answer that question,

2737
03:27:41,625 --> 03:27:45,485
uh, with an exact specificity. But that is certainly something that we would report back

2738
03:27:45,745 --> 03:27:49,725
on and give to the city manager and staff so that you'll have an itemized list of

2739
03:27:49,925 --> 03:27:53,925
exactly what was done, why, and the path along the way. Okay. Um, but

2740
03:27:54,085 --> 03:27:58,025
we spoke exhaustively about this in executive session, but, so you're asking for

2741
03:27:58,245 --> 03:28:02,215
$2 million and you're not even gonna say you'll for sure get these

2742
03:28:02,635 --> 03:28:02,635
reports.

2743
03:28:07,345 --> 03:28:10,865
I, I've never heard of spending money like this and not having some definitive

2744
03:28:11,575 --> 03:28:15,565
work product. I can speak to the process, but everyone

2745
03:28:15,685 --> 03:28:19,205
should also understand this is not a contract with me or my company.

2746
03:28:19,945 --> 03:28:23,505
so there're many different things. Well, we do have a contract with you, correct? You do have a contract with, this is not

2747
03:28:24,365 --> 03:28:27,945
a contract with cbre to do all this work. Um, so

2748
03:28:29,235 --> 03:28:32,995
they're all, does cbre not generally provide reports when

2749
03:28:33,285 --> 03:28:37,265
they do this kind of work? Will you please allow the person you're asking the questions to, to

2750
03:28:37,485 --> 03:28:41,485
answer the last question you asked before you thank you. Ask another one. Yes, ma'am. If we are performing

2751
03:28:41,845 --> 03:28:45,725
the work, of course we provide reports, um, but we are not the

2752
03:28:45,925 --> 03:28:49,765
company doing all of this work, so it's not appropriate for me to answer on the wide variety

2753
03:28:50,105 --> 03:28:54,005
of vendors that have to work on this. Um, but you will

2754
03:28:54,165 --> 03:28:57,715
get reports for every technical service that is performed,

2755
03:28:58,345 --> 03:28:59,685
and that's related to the due diligence.

2756
03:29:02,565 --> 03:29:04,615
okay. So a report for every technical service?

2757
03:29:06,725 --> 03:29:10,665
yes, ma'am. I, I think just the,

2758
03:29:10,965 --> 03:29:14,905
in general, the best case study is what you all have done for city hall. You authorized

2759
03:29:15,615 --> 03:29:19,505
many different reports, and all of those are applicable in any stay or go decision.

2760
03:29:19,885 --> 03:29:23,065
so that's a very good recent example of the work that's been done

2761
03:29:23,925 --> 03:29:25,665
and how the reporting comes out of that.

2762
03:29:28,855 --> 03:29:32,745
what information does staff believe that can't obtain without first spending

2763
03:29:33,005 --> 03:29:33,005
$2 million?

2764
03:29:42,705 --> 03:29:46,665
I mean, city manager, you're asking us for $2 million to do this. What do you think that

2765
03:29:46,865 --> 03:29:49,425
you can't get unless you spend the $2 million?

2766
03:29:51,165 --> 03:29:54,945
so we've, we've talked thank you for the question, councilman mendelson. And I'll just

2767
03:29:55,325 --> 03:29:59,185
say again, um, we have talked extensively in the closed

2768
03:29:59,585 --> 03:30:03,165
session with counsel about the additional due diligence, the things that you're asking for.

2769
03:30:04,115 --> 03:30:07,985
we've communicated that that additional due diligence is not free and that we

2770
03:30:08,145 --> 03:30:11,835
would have to move forward with having the preoc,

2771
03:30:12,205 --> 03:30:15,825
um, acquisition agreements done in order to be able to get that additional

2772
03:30:16,245 --> 03:30:20,105
due diligence. And I think that this council understands and knows what those

2773
03:30:20,265 --> 03:30:23,625
items are because we've talked about those things quite extensively in closed session.

2774
03:30:28,725 --> 03:30:32,555
after you're done with due diligence, what deliverable do you see coming to

2775
03:30:32,755 --> 03:30:33,075
the city council?

2776
03:30:39,115 --> 03:30:42,705
okay. Based on what's before you today, we've talked about the

2777
03:30:43,155 --> 03:30:46,415
need to bring back true costs, negotiated terms,

2778
03:30:47,545 --> 03:30:50,555
um, whether it's reports around systems, environmental,

2779
03:30:51,705 --> 03:30:55,645
all the things that council has requested, and to where we can give you that

2780
03:30:55,845 --> 03:30:59,805
information to where you can truly see the difference between the cost

2781
03:31:00,185 --> 03:31:04,125
of repairing city hall and the cost for move. And those are the things

2782
03:31:04,285 --> 03:31:07,885
that you've asked us to do. So my hope would be that as cbre completes

2783
03:31:08,435 --> 03:31:12,245
this additional work, if council proves to move this forward, that would be what

2784
03:31:12,485 --> 03:31:16,445
should be expected for us to bring back to you. How will

2785
03:31:16,685 --> 03:31:20,345
staff determine whether a site succeeds or fails either during

2786
03:31:21,025 --> 03:31:24,965
the due diligence period, after the due diligence period? Or will all

2787
03:31:25,165 --> 03:31:28,975
of it come to council? I think this city council and

2788
03:31:29,195 --> 03:31:32,945
several conversations have asked us to bring all the information back to you. Okay.

2789
03:31:34,255 --> 03:31:38,015
is there anything that would constitute a deal breaker that would cause you to,

2790
03:31:39,095 --> 03:31:40,875
um, leave one of these for sites?

2791
03:31:44,515 --> 03:31:48,515
I can answer that question at this time, but I do believe that at any point

2792
03:31:48,715 --> 03:31:52,545
in the process, if we see something or know something that we is detrimental

2793
03:31:53,335 --> 03:31:57,235
to the city, we would have the responsibility of raising the flag and making

2794
03:31:57,395 --> 03:32:01,395
sure that that's known to the body. And we would definitely not want to recommend something that

2795
03:32:01,595 --> 03:32:05,415
would not be, um, in the best interest of the city. So that is my

2796
03:32:05,635 --> 03:32:08,035
responsibility and that is what the council should expect.

2797
03:32:09,865 --> 03:32:13,475
will the due diligence include independent third party reviews, or will

2798
03:32:13,985 --> 03:32:17,675
will it rely primarily on information provided by the property owners?

2799
03:32:21,475 --> 03:32:25,375
I think cbre is working and have a responsibility of, of working on

2800
03:32:25,595 --> 03:32:29,355
behalf of the city and protecting our interests. And I'll let mr. Jansen chime

2801
03:32:29,655 --> 03:32:33,515
in, but they have a responsibility of representing and making sure that the due

2802
03:32:33,675 --> 03:32:37,595
diligence, the validity of the work, the accuracy of the work they are working

2803
03:32:37,975 --> 03:32:41,575
on our behalf. I'll add,

2804
03:32:42,055 --> 03:32:45,855
um, licensure and reliance is

2805
03:32:46,075 --> 03:32:49,975
very important for all technical work. Um, and if the city wants to

2806
03:32:50,425 --> 03:32:54,255
rely on reports, uh, sometimes it's important that you pay for those and

2807
03:32:54,475 --> 03:32:58,475
not a third party owner, um, to avoid any, uh, conflicts or

2808
03:32:58,615 --> 03:33:02,575
misrepresentations or anything like this. So, um, that is part of the strategy as

2809
03:33:02,795 --> 03:33:06,395
to why we are requesting this, um, deployment of funds,

2810
03:33:07,055 --> 03:33:10,875
um, so that you have the latitude to independently get information.

2811
03:33:11,815 --> 03:33:15,565
um, it would be the direction, or it could be the direction of this council going

2812
03:33:15,915 --> 03:33:19,795
forward, that that information is then reviewed by another party. That's a distinct possibility.

2813
03:33:20,775 --> 03:33:24,755
um, but we would give you recommendations on what may or may not need to be reviewed

2814
03:33:25,015 --> 03:33:28,975
and why. Um, but you all can feel free to direct, um, the

2815
03:33:29,195 --> 03:33:32,315
team more broadly on what might need to be reviewed.

2816
03:33:34,015 --> 03:33:37,365
how was the $2 million figure determined? It's a pretty round number.

2817
03:33:39,845 --> 03:33:41,765
I, I would defer that to executive session discussion.

2818
03:33:46,475 --> 03:33:50,455
I don't actually recall that being discussed in executive session. I'm

2819
03:33:50,675 --> 03:33:54,635
not sure if you were in at the time, but we did talk about why that up to

2820
03:33:54,835 --> 03:33:58,475
that number it was, uh, important and just from the work

2821
03:33:58,855 --> 03:34:02,715
and just what the industry currently, uh, shows, we talked about why we

2822
03:34:02,915 --> 03:34:06,835
believe that that would be a number. This does not mean that that is what would be spent, that's why it

2823
03:34:06,995 --> 03:34:08,595
says not to exceed and it's up to that amount.

2824
03:34:12,005 --> 03:34:14,135
so you're saying that there's some analysis that

2825
03:34:16,145 --> 03:34:20,125
determined that 2 million was an appropriate number that

2826
03:34:20,415 --> 03:34:24,415
maybe I missed in I was in the restaurant or something? I mean, I, I do not recall that. Yes, it was

2827
03:34:24,535 --> 03:34:27,675
presented in executive session. Okay. Um,

2828
03:34:28,605 --> 03:34:31,615
what is the maximum reimbursement any single property owner could receive

2829
03:34:33,565 --> 03:34:37,565
undetermined at this point and, um, deferred to executive session?

2830
03:34:38,185 --> 03:34:42,035
um, again, in the spirit of transparency, you don't know exactly what

2831
03:34:42,325 --> 03:34:46,185
needs to be done on every single site and what can be negotiated to be, um,

2832
03:34:46,435 --> 03:34:50,325
covered, um, or expended by counterparties during different points

2833
03:34:50,485 --> 03:34:54,155
in the negotiation. But, um, it's impossible to project exactly

2834
03:34:54,645 --> 03:34:58,425
what a maximum minimum could be. But, um, the broader strategy is

2835
03:34:58,665 --> 03:35:02,655
to perform comprehensive due diligence and bring that back to you all.

2836
03:35:03,515 --> 03:35:07,455
so you're not expecting to spend half a million per property, you may spend more

2837
03:35:07,795 --> 03:35:11,695
on one and less on others. I, I think the line of question

2838
03:35:11,845 --> 03:35:15,515
compromises your negotiation position. Okay. Um,

2839
03:35:16,405 --> 03:35:20,215
what if staff spends the entire 2 million and concludes that none of the sites are

2840
03:35:20,655 --> 03:35:23,665
suitable? I'll just state this again,

2841
03:35:25,075 --> 03:35:29,055
the due diligence. If council authorizes this item will be brought back to the city

2842
03:35:29,255 --> 03:35:32,935
council, the information will be shared and at that time,

2843
03:35:33,805 --> 03:35:37,095
counsel will be given additional direction about how you would like to proceed.

2844
03:35:39,115 --> 03:35:42,895
I'd like to ask the city attorney what terms the city manager

2845
03:35:43,315 --> 03:35:45,695
is actually authorized to negotiate without the council

2846
03:35:47,655 --> 03:35:51,325
based on this, um, this, um, motion.

2847
03:35:59,185 --> 03:36:03,095
I'm sorry, could you repeat the question? Yes. Can you stop my time? Thank

2848
03:36:03,445 --> 03:36:07,115
you. What terms can the city manager is the city manager authorize

2849
03:36:08,425 --> 03:36:12,405
to negotiate without returning to counsel? Based on this

2850
03:36:12,605 --> 03:36:16,365
motion? Connie tankersley will take

2851
03:36:16,655 --> 03:36:16,855
that one.

2852
03:36:23,375 --> 03:36:26,735
the follow up question is what limitations are there? So,

2853
03:36:27,535 --> 03:36:31,115
um, the city, by passing this resolution, the city manager can authorize

2854
03:36:31,595 --> 03:36:35,135
what essentially will be the scope of diligence that staff

2855
03:36:35,845 --> 03:36:39,725
determines and cbre determines is necessary for any one of the

2856
03:36:39,885 --> 03:36:43,525
sites based on, um, all the information they have to date.

2857
03:36:44,625 --> 03:36:48,525
so it's, it's negotiation of terms for the scope of the due

2858
03:36:48,725 --> 03:36:52,575
diligence and city manager. Have you already determined what that scope

2859
03:36:52,945 --> 03:36:56,925
is? Are you able to share that? I do not have that in front of me.

2860
03:36:57,085 --> 03:37:01,085
that will be the work that we will be doing over the summer as part of

2861
03:37:01,285 --> 03:37:03,725
the due diligence in collaboration with cbre.

2862
03:37:05,915 --> 03:37:09,785
what provisions protect the city if a property owner fails to cooperate or

2863
03:37:10,075 --> 03:37:14,045
provide complete information? So we are, the city attorney's

2864
03:37:14,365 --> 03:37:18,145
office is work, going to work with cbre on the final form of

2865
03:37:18,505 --> 03:37:22,265
the pre-acquisition agreements to assure that our, um,

2866
03:37:22,675 --> 03:37:26,305
necessary protections, um, provisions are in there. So

2867
03:37:26,905 --> 03:37:30,645
we will be working with them on the final form. And then

2868
03:37:31,165 --> 03:37:34,465
specifically of the items that are being talked about, um,

2869
03:37:35,435 --> 03:37:39,045
what will be withheld from the public as a result of these agreements.

2870
03:37:40,025 --> 03:37:43,905
so, as I said earlier, any information that is produced in

2871
03:37:44,145 --> 03:37:48,085
the performance of the pre-acquisition agreements that would be necessary for the city

2872
03:37:48,325 --> 03:37:51,565
council to receive an executive session for its deliberation,

2873
03:37:52,825 --> 03:37:56,665
um, to authorize the city manager to take another direction, the

2874
03:37:56,885 --> 03:38:00,765
next steps that would not be subject to open records. While it

2875
03:38:00,965 --> 03:38:04,745
is, um, protected under executive session beyond

2876
03:38:05,165 --> 03:38:09,055
this 2 million, what future expenditures should city council reasonably anticipate?

2877
03:38:09,785 --> 03:38:13,725
that's not a question. Councilwoman middleston, with all due respect, I can't answer

2878
03:38:13,925 --> 03:38:17,625
that question at this time. I think that you, it is a matter of

2879
03:38:18,355 --> 03:38:22,245
this item that is before the council is for this purpose, and I can't tell you what's

2880
03:38:22,525 --> 03:38:26,475
on the other side of that until I get further direction from the council. What

2881
03:38:26,765 --> 03:38:30,645
financial risks are associated with spending contingency funds in this manner?

2882
03:38:36,035 --> 03:38:39,955
I think in the earlier conversation and in two questions that have already been asked

2883
03:38:40,195 --> 03:38:44,105
about the contingency fund, uh, that the cfo has already highlighted

2884
03:38:45,255 --> 03:38:49,155
of the ways that we've used the contingency fund, how it's been, um, authorized

2885
03:38:49,775 --> 03:38:53,675
by this council. And so I do believe that we've already addressed at this

2886
03:38:53,875 --> 03:38:57,675
point that this is not our overall contingency. This is one component

2887
03:38:58,215 --> 03:39:02,055
of our contingency reserves that we have set aside and that it was an appropriate use

2888
03:39:02,535 --> 03:39:06,375
and it did not impact us being able to finish out whether it's the

2889
03:39:06,595 --> 03:39:10,395
current fiscal year and if there are other needs that arise. I think we've already answered that

2890
03:39:10,795 --> 03:39:14,395
question. What's our current balance of our contingency account?

2891
03:39:26,015 --> 03:39:29,055
as stated earlier, it's 10.1 million. We started the year with 10.3.

2892
03:39:30,415 --> 03:39:33,355
you used $200,000 for the non-conforming use item

2893
03:39:35,025 --> 03:39:38,845
10.1. So by reducing it by 20%, what risks

2894
03:39:39,265 --> 03:39:43,145
are we adding to the city? I I do

2895
03:39:43,305 --> 03:39:47,105
not think we're adding risk. We still have, uh, in addition to the contingency

2896
03:39:47,665 --> 03:39:51,285
reserve, we have, uh, have other reserve funds. If

2897
03:39:51,685 --> 03:39:55,295
the situation were to arise our fmpc specifies

2898
03:39:56,005 --> 03:39:59,225
for contingency reserve levels, how does this impact that?

2899
03:40:02,165 --> 03:40:05,575
so the contingency reserve, uh, requirement

2900
03:40:06,445 --> 03:40:09,565
is to budget to be between 0.5 and 1%.

2901
03:40:11,325 --> 03:40:15,285
we started the year at 0.52, so we used 200,000.

2902
03:40:16,245 --> 03:40:19,815
we will drop below the 0.5, but we will replenish

2903
03:40:20,425 --> 03:40:24,405
it as part of next year's budget as we do in previous years. We

2904
03:40:24,625 --> 03:40:28,445
leave compliance with our fmpc then the compliance is

2905
03:40:29,565 --> 03:40:33,475
we, we start with that amount. Any use of any of our reserves would drop below

2906
03:40:33,965 --> 03:40:37,625
the amounts that are stated in the fmpc. The fmpc

2907
03:40:38,265 --> 03:40:42,065
requires that we have $50 million in emergency reserve. If we used

2908
03:40:42,305 --> 03:40:45,825
it, then obviously we would fall below that until we replenished it.

2909
03:40:47,245 --> 03:40:51,145
and how many days of, um, operating dollars does this

2910
03:40:51,345 --> 03:40:54,315
put us at? Um, we are currently at 63

2911
03:40:55,725 --> 03:40:58,245
or so. It, I don't think it'll drop a full day.

2912
03:40:59,975 --> 03:41:03,805
okay. Thank you. Um, so at

2913
03:41:04,025 --> 03:41:07,985
what point in this whole process does the counsel have the ability to say, no, we're

2914
03:41:08,305 --> 03:41:08,385
not leaving

2915
03:41:13,635 --> 03:41:17,325
council can make whatever decisions that you deem that you wanna make at any time?

2916
03:41:17,965 --> 03:41:21,965
I think based on where we are today and the direction that

2917
03:41:22,225 --> 03:41:25,725
we received last week, um, and the additional requests

2918
03:41:26,285 --> 03:41:30,195
for information that several of the council members who are, um, here

2919
03:41:30,495 --> 03:41:34,445
today have asked us to bring back, this is the course of action

2920
03:41:34,725 --> 03:41:38,525
that we believe is most prudent to be able to bring back the additional due diligence

2921
03:41:38,885 --> 03:41:42,685
that you've requested and to really give the side by side that we've continued to hear

2922
03:41:43,235 --> 03:41:47,085
that this city council needs. And so my recommendation, of course,

2923
03:41:47,465 --> 03:41:51,325
uh, is to, if that's what council wants, allow for us to do

2924
03:41:51,485 --> 03:41:55,355
this additional due diligence. And if council does not want that, give me the guidance that

2925
03:41:55,645 --> 03:41:59,565
I need in order to move forward. Okay. So you expect that once

2926
03:41:59,725 --> 03:42:03,685
you bring it back, the council would have a go or no

2927
03:42:03,865 --> 03:42:04,155
go vote.

2928
03:42:09,515 --> 03:42:13,475
the due diligence process will be taking place over the next few, few months. Um,

2929
03:42:13,895 --> 03:42:17,455
I do believe that the goal would be to come back before we have a finalized

2930
03:42:17,975 --> 03:42:21,415
budget council, uh, understands that the budget is due to the city council

2931
03:42:21,995 --> 03:42:25,975
by, I think it's august the 11th. And so we would plan to come back

2932
03:42:26,175 --> 03:42:29,745
and have information available for you so you'll be able to give additional

2933
03:42:30,415 --> 03:42:32,340
direction and hopefully during that time period.

2934
03:42:34,955 --> 03:42:38,405
what opportunities will residents have for outreach and meetings?

2935
03:42:39,545 --> 03:42:42,965
our police academy, the city staff, is holding community

2936
03:42:43,565 --> 03:42:47,325
meetings so far. Only thing I've heard of is, uh, relying on council

2937
03:42:47,685 --> 03:42:51,265
members to hold meetings. Will the city staff be, um,

2938
03:42:51,805 --> 03:42:52,965
engaging with the public on this topic?

2939
03:42:57,635 --> 03:43:01,495
I'm not sure I understand the question. If the question is, will we over the

2940
03:43:01,695 --> 03:43:05,655
course of the summer engage with residents as we're doing the due diligence? Is that

2941
03:43:05,775 --> 03:43:09,415
the question? Because about the whole topic, we, we would not entertain

2942
03:43:10,125 --> 03:43:13,945
in any meetings before we do the due diligence and bring

2943
03:43:14,185 --> 03:43:18,105
it back to the city council because we wouldn't have the results of that work. And so I, I

2944
03:43:18,225 --> 03:43:19,425
don't think I'm understanding the question.

2945
03:43:22,755 --> 03:43:26,295
the question is, the city hasn't done outreach on this topic, which we have

2946
03:43:26,795 --> 03:43:30,635
for almost every other topic in the city. And instead the

2947
03:43:30,855 --> 03:43:34,845
answer was, well, if a council member wants to have it, they can. But even

2948
03:43:35,135 --> 03:43:39,115
something like the police academy, we currently have staff out

2949
03:43:39,335 --> 03:43:43,135
there trying to that's your time for this round. Well, I'm repeating the question to her.

2950
03:43:43,475 --> 03:43:47,415
that's your time for this round, mr. Roth. So, so she's not gonna answer

2951
03:43:47,575 --> 03:43:50,935
the question. She can, but that's your time for this round.

2952
03:43:51,825 --> 03:43:55,635
thank you, mr. Roth. You

2953
03:43:56,095 --> 03:43:59,315
recognize for three minutes? Uh, thank you. Um,

2954
03:44:00,755 --> 03:44:04,655
the, the resolution as I read it, authorizes the city manager

2955
03:44:05,235 --> 03:44:08,335
to negotiate and execute a pre-acquisition

2956
03:44:09,255 --> 03:44:12,395
agreement. Um, will we be seeing

2957
03:44:13,395 --> 03:44:16,975
the, the pre-acquisition agreement before it is

2958
03:44:17,535 --> 03:44:21,295
executed? Will we have a an opportunity to review the details,

2959
03:44:22,635 --> 03:44:26,095
uh, which define the terms, responsibilities and this cost sharing?

2960
03:44:27,115 --> 03:44:30,645
um, it seems like this is a pretty complicated,

2961
03:44:31,525 --> 03:44:35,405
it's a, it's an important, uh, uh, document that,

2962
03:44:36,275 --> 03:44:39,835
uh, we're going to be, uh, authorizing a signature on.

2963
03:44:40,515 --> 03:44:43,915
but that's not clear to me that this body either

2964
03:44:44,715 --> 03:44:48,015
in public or in an executive session, would have the opportunity

2965
03:44:48,755 --> 03:44:52,675
to, uh, really review what that final pre-acquisition

2966
03:44:53,655 --> 03:44:57,255
agreement is going to state. Could you sort of help me understand

2967
03:44:58,395 --> 03:45:02,215
the process in your auth, in your authority to execute

2968
03:45:02,765 --> 03:45:06,695
this agreement with, without or with our, uh, acquiescence

2969
03:45:07,555 --> 03:45:11,415
to it? Mr. Roth, I wanna make sure that I understand

2970
03:45:11,735 --> 03:45:15,695
your question. Are you asking are we bringing back the results if this

2971
03:45:15,975 --> 03:45:19,695
moves forward? Are we bringing back the results to the council? I, I guess I'm

2972
03:45:20,055 --> 03:45:23,735
not understanding the question. Okay. I'm sorry. To clarify, we're authorizing

2973
03:45:24,155 --> 03:45:27,375
you to negotiate and execute a

2974
03:45:28,355 --> 03:45:32,275
pre-acquisition agreement, but we don't know what

2975
03:45:32,585 --> 03:45:36,525
the terms of that pre-acquisition agreement are going

2976
03:45:36,805 --> 03:45:40,795
to state. So, mike, and there's a lot of different terms. This

2977
03:45:41,085 --> 03:45:45,065
could be a very complicated agreement. And I'm wondering, and it, and

2978
03:45:45,285 --> 03:45:49,205
it's specific to the various property owners and the

2979
03:45:49,365 --> 03:45:53,105
various properties that we're investigating. My request is, and my,

2980
03:45:53,585 --> 03:45:57,505
uh, ask is that are we going to be able to see

2981
03:45:58,345 --> 03:46:02,325
the draft of that agreement before you sign it?

2982
03:46:03,105 --> 03:46:07,065
are we going to be able to help you, uh, weigh in

2983
03:46:07,345 --> 03:46:11,135
on what are the terms that are gonna be in this agreement, which

2984
03:46:12,265 --> 03:46:16,145
is going to be a binding agreement on

2985
03:46:16,365 --> 03:46:20,165
us? And so I, I'm just, you know, I just want to know what

2986
03:46:20,405 --> 03:46:24,335
we're signing. Thank

2987
03:46:24,685 --> 03:46:28,565
you for the question, miss mr. Roth. So as part of my responsibility as a city manager,

2988
03:46:29,035 --> 03:46:32,365
city council members don't negotiate agreements on anything,

2989
03:46:33,185 --> 03:46:36,895
we would be coming back bringing you what we've

2990
03:46:37,245 --> 03:46:39,885
done through this due diligence process for city council to entertain,

2991
03:46:41,265 --> 03:46:45,245
get feedback, engage, redirect. That would be a part of

2992
03:46:45,365 --> 03:46:49,325
the process. When we use the word negotiate, it's the way we do now, whether we're

2993
03:46:49,645 --> 03:46:53,545
talking about negotiating contracts that still come to the city council for

2994
03:46:54,005 --> 03:46:57,995
approval modifications except or reject, that would be the exact same process that

2995
03:46:58,285 --> 03:47:02,245
we would undertake as part of this due diligence. It would not be anything different than

2996
03:47:02,625 --> 03:47:06,535
the responsibility that I have now. Uh, and again,

2997
03:47:07,155 --> 03:47:11,035
I'm sorry to be clumsy in my question. I'm not asking, uh, whether or

2998
03:47:11,255 --> 03:47:15,135
not you're going to get the due diligence product. What I'm trying

2999
03:47:15,335 --> 03:47:18,685
to understand is we are making a binding agreement

3000
03:47:19,995 --> 03:47:22,985
to commit to do certain things in term, especially

3001
03:47:24,335 --> 03:47:28,115
spending up to $2 million in money. And my

3002
03:47:28,535 --> 03:47:32,295
question is on that agreement, what are, what are the terms of that agreement

3003
03:47:33,065 --> 03:47:37,055
going to be before you execute it and make it a binding agreement?

3004
03:47:37,725 --> 03:47:41,445
this isn't just buying, uh, toilet paper, it's,

3005
03:47:41,745 --> 03:47:45,615
we're talking about spending a lot of money to really

3006
03:47:46,195 --> 03:47:50,095
try to do the right due diligence. And I'm concerned that I wanna make sure

3007
03:47:50,325 --> 03:47:53,955
that that agreement does have the authorization for us to

3008
03:47:54,435 --> 03:47:58,335
get the correct information and make sure that the monies are

3009
03:47:58,495 --> 03:48:02,355
being spent and that if something isn't in that agreement, that we are

3010
03:48:02,575 --> 03:48:05,935
able to at least weigh in to give our recommendation or suggestions

3011
03:48:07,115 --> 03:48:10,975
to you to assist you in your negotiation of that deal.

3012
03:48:11,395 --> 03:48:15,255
not that we are negotiating, but that we have the opportunity to weigh

3013
03:48:15,635 --> 03:48:19,155
in to the final agreement, uh, to, uh, give you our

3014
03:48:19,655 --> 03:48:23,335
feedback. Our, our, uh, that's your time suggestions for this round. Thank you,

3015
03:48:24,255 --> 03:48:27,825
chairman. Ridley, you're recognized for three minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr.

3016
03:48:28,305 --> 03:48:31,675
jansen, could you come back to the mic? What is your expectation

3017
03:48:33,465 --> 03:48:36,825
as to the time that it will take to

3018
03:48:38,245 --> 03:48:41,825
complete due diligence of the items that you've described, including the

3019
03:48:42,915 --> 03:48:46,495
environmental assessment, the test fit by space

3020
03:48:47,005 --> 03:48:50,865
planners, the engineering, your architectural designs, uh,

3021
03:48:51,345 --> 03:48:54,915
et cetera? Uh, it varies. Unfortunately,

3022
03:48:55,885 --> 03:48:59,885
I can't give you a precise answer. Um, I, I think the thematic

3023
03:49:00,445 --> 03:49:03,545
answer is a lot can be accomplished in the next eight weeks. Um,

3024
03:49:05,105 --> 03:49:08,645
and whether the path requires supplemental due diligence

3025
03:49:09,945 --> 03:49:13,935
and or, um, different deliverables is somewhat, um, fluid

3026
03:49:14,375 --> 03:49:17,825
until you actually start that, the environmental survey being the

3027
03:49:18,495 --> 03:49:22,425
prime example of that. Um, but a fair amount of work can be done in, in the next six

3028
03:49:22,645 --> 03:49:26,005
to eight weeks. Okay. Uh, but you're not promising

3029
03:49:26,745 --> 03:49:30,635
to bring the full due diligence work

3030
03:49:30,925 --> 03:49:33,325
product back by a certain date, I take it.

3031
03:49:35,725 --> 03:49:39,575
yeah. The full scope has not been, um, uh, completed

3032
03:49:40,275 --> 03:49:44,155
in terms of, of schedule and dates and deliverables and things like this, but, um,

3033
03:49:44,515 --> 03:49:48,475
I'm, I'm not making any, uh, commitments, uh, personally or or on

3034
03:49:48,695 --> 03:49:52,255
behalf the company to do certain things within a certain timeframe. Um, but I think

3035
03:49:53,355 --> 03:49:57,285
in prior examples and prior situations like this, the vast

3036
03:49:57,895 --> 03:50:01,335
majority of the work can be completed to give you all the, the indicative findings,

3037
03:50:01,955 --> 03:50:05,735
uh, in the next six to eight weeks. Okay. Uh, question for the city

3038
03:50:06,215 --> 03:50:09,885
attorney. Um, we have heard the description

3039
03:50:10,795 --> 03:50:14,695
of what due diligence will entail, as I've just

3040
03:50:14,815 --> 03:50:17,175
mentioned in my question to mr. Jansen involving

3041
03:50:19,445 --> 03:50:22,735
assessments, space planning, engineering work, et cetera.

3042
03:50:23,695 --> 03:50:27,435
I see, uh, I've heard nothing in that definition of

3043
03:50:27,755 --> 03:50:31,555
due diligence or in the written description of

3044
03:50:31,845 --> 03:50:35,725
item one on our agenda that authorizes the city manager

3045
03:50:37,075 --> 03:50:40,635
to negotiate a term sheet for a lease or

3046
03:50:41,175 --> 03:50:44,575
a purchase option for any one of the four relocation

3047
03:50:45,345 --> 03:50:49,125
sites. Would you confirm that, that, that

3048
03:50:49,415 --> 03:50:52,725
this resolution does not authorize any negotiation

3049
03:50:53,555 --> 03:50:56,065
of actual lease or purchase terms?

3050
03:51:02,125 --> 03:51:03,615
here comes our real estate expert.

3051
03:51:10,035 --> 03:51:13,885
okay. Hi. Um, okay. The, the resolution today is

3052
03:51:14,065 --> 03:51:18,045
not authorizing any terms for an actual deal,

3053
03:51:18,725 --> 03:51:22,565
a transaction to acquire the property. All it's doing is authorizing

3054
03:51:23,075 --> 03:51:26,865
diligence. So, uh, the, it's authorizing, uh,

3055
03:51:27,315 --> 03:51:31,315
work to produce the information that the consultant can bring back

3056
03:51:32,105 --> 03:51:36,005
so that you can deliberate and select a possible

3057
03:51:36,425 --> 03:51:40,165
option, whether it's a lease, lease purchase, or a straight out

3058
03:51:40,465 --> 03:51:44,365
buy. But it isn't authorizing her, uh, the ability to negotiate

3059
03:51:44,965 --> 03:51:48,965
those terms or our consultant. It's not authorizing anyone to actually

3060
03:51:49,155 --> 03:51:53,125
negotiate those terms. It's really about the diligence so that you

3061
03:51:53,285 --> 03:51:56,765
can select a site. Okay. Uh, thank you city attorney.

3062
03:52:03,045 --> 03:52:07,015
alright, um, chairwoman mendelson, you're recognized for three minutes.

3063
03:52:07,625 --> 03:52:11,515
thank you. I'm gonna go back to the question we left off

3064
03:52:11,735 --> 03:52:15,215
with. Will the city be conducting any public input sessions

3065
03:52:20,205 --> 03:52:24,135
over the course of the next few weeks? If council moves forward with this item, we will

3066
03:52:24,255 --> 03:52:28,235
be doing the work. We will be working on the budget. I would not expect

3067
03:52:28,655 --> 03:52:32,575
that during the summer when council is actually on recess, that there will be

3068
03:52:32,695 --> 03:52:36,655
any meetings that I would be asking my staff to go and conduct. I think as

3069
03:52:36,815 --> 03:52:40,735
we've done with other public conversations and other meetings, even the meetings that

3070
03:52:40,895 --> 03:52:44,895
are happening now around the academy, we do that in consultation with council.

3071
03:52:45,635 --> 03:52:49,535
we don't prevent council members from having meetings. If there are meetings that staff has been

3072
03:52:49,695 --> 03:52:53,695
requested to attend. We try to accommodate multiple meetings of multiple

3073
03:52:53,895 --> 03:52:57,695
council members across multiple districts every single week. So in this particular regard,

3074
03:52:58,095 --> 03:53:01,775
over the summer, my attention will be focused on developing the budget,

3075
03:53:02,275 --> 03:53:06,015
and my attention will be focused on this body of work. If this is the direction that council

3076
03:53:06,505 --> 03:53:10,375
would like for us to proceed. So between now and I would say the time that

3077
03:53:10,575 --> 03:53:14,375
we come back with the budget, we will be busy working to bring back

3078
03:53:14,775 --> 03:53:18,735
a product that gives council the more information and it gives

3079
03:53:18,895 --> 03:53:22,795
you the additional due diligence that you have requested. That's what we will be focused on

3080
03:53:23,015 --> 03:53:26,955
over the summer. So I heard a lot of words and I think the answer

3081
03:53:27,135 --> 03:53:31,035
was just no. Is that correct? What I'm sharing with you is the

3082
03:53:31,195 --> 03:53:35,125
reality of the work that we would have to be doing during this time. We don't,

3083
03:53:35,475 --> 03:53:39,225
we typically do not have meetings, um, during the month of july

3084
03:53:39,515 --> 03:53:43,435
that take us outside of the, the, the priority that we have, which everyone knows is

3085
03:53:43,635 --> 03:53:47,575
the budget. We spend the entire summer working on the budget. And

3086
03:53:47,795 --> 03:53:51,715
if council moves this item forward, we would be working on this as well. And we would coordinate

3087
03:53:52,315 --> 03:53:56,275
with any council member as we do now, if there's a meeting that you would

3088
03:53:56,435 --> 03:54:00,115
like to have, we would work through that with you as we do all of the community

3089
03:54:00,475 --> 03:54:04,395
meetings that are out in the, uh, respective districts. So we would not be going away

3090
03:54:04,675 --> 03:54:08,605
from the process that we already have that we do now for any council that want. There

3091
03:54:08,955 --> 03:54:12,735
have been meetings that have been happening all across the city and

3092
03:54:12,975 --> 03:54:16,875
any council member that requested for us to participate, we've tried to make ourselves available

3093
03:54:17,375 --> 03:54:21,155
for that. I'll agree. So I'm not preventing any council member from having

3094
03:54:21,495 --> 03:54:25,245
any meetings. I'm just sharing with you what the city manager's office will be focused

3095
03:54:25,505 --> 03:54:29,045
on over the summer. I'll agree with you. I think the staff is, um, incredibly

3096
03:54:29,525 --> 03:54:33,325
accommodating for any kind of town hall that any council member

3097
03:54:33,605 --> 03:54:36,835
wants to have on any topic. And I would really commend you for that. However,

3098
03:54:37,905 --> 03:54:41,765
what's been missing since this topic, reared its head in october,

3099
03:54:42,705 --> 03:54:46,635
is I don't believe there's even once been a city outreach. It's

3100
03:54:46,925 --> 03:54:50,145
only been from specific council members. And

3101
03:54:51,785 --> 03:54:55,645
as a rule, I think we see this happen for almost every other

3102
03:54:55,845 --> 03:54:59,385
subject. And so it's just been very apparent how that has

3103
03:54:59,865 --> 03:55:03,645
not happened on this topic. And, you know,

3104
03:55:03,945 --> 03:55:07,805
it, it, it's in, um, juxtaposition to the overwhelming

3105
03:55:08,605 --> 03:55:12,365
number of emails we've received that we're not even doing that kind of outreach.

3106
03:55:13,705 --> 03:55:17,525
let me ask this. What measures have been put in place to avoid even the appearance of favoritism

3107
03:55:18,125 --> 03:55:21,765
towards a particular property or a particular property owner?

3108
03:55:28,785 --> 03:55:32,245
if the question is, for me, there are no favorites, I think council deserves information.

3109
03:55:33,365 --> 03:55:37,325
I think you want us to come back and bring you true costs. The analysis

3110
03:55:37,605 --> 03:55:41,285
that have been requested, the details that you've requested, there are no favorites

3111
03:55:41,825 --> 03:55:45,275
and that is not the direction that I would advise my staff or I would have

3112
03:55:46,005 --> 03:55:49,705
cbre proceeding as if we've already developed who are

3113
03:55:50,125 --> 03:55:53,995
favorites or not. That is not the way we operate. Well,

3114
03:55:54,765 --> 03:55:58,765
specifically the question is if there are any measures that have been put in place

3115
03:55:59,065 --> 03:56:02,165
to avoid any kind of appearance of favoritism.

3116
03:56:07,705 --> 03:56:09,645
the answer that I gave councilman middleston is my answer.

3117
03:56:14,355 --> 03:56:18,255
have any government entities or nonprofits been approached about

3118
03:56:19,005 --> 03:56:22,565
considering co-locating with any of the properties under

3119
03:56:23,085 --> 03:56:23,085
consideration?

3120
03:56:27,235 --> 03:56:30,735
in the most recent closed session that we had with city council last week, we shared information

3121
03:56:31,335 --> 03:56:35,235
with the body about some potential consolidations and

3122
03:56:35,455 --> 03:56:38,175
that information was shared with you during that discussion.

3123
03:56:41,325 --> 03:56:45,065
and does that consideration impact the evaluation

3124
03:56:45,705 --> 03:56:49,615
of the properties? I'm

3125
03:56:49,835 --> 03:56:52,835
gonna ask that you steer clear of the topic of closed session.

3126
03:56:54,815 --> 03:56:58,595
if the information hasn't been shared outside of closed session. Shouldn't be the topic of a conversation out here.

3127
03:56:59,725 --> 03:57:03,435
thank you. That's the end of my questions. Mr. Roth, do you recognize for

3128
03:57:03,965 --> 03:57:07,275
three minutes? One, two minutes? Uh, one minute. One minute.

3129
03:57:08,135 --> 03:57:12,005
um, my, my, just a quick, I ran outta time on my previous quick

3130
03:57:12,555 --> 03:57:16,415
question and I don't know that you had an opportunity to answer it. Uh, will we

3131
03:57:16,855 --> 03:57:20,315
see a, uh, uh, the pre-acquisition agreement

3132
03:57:21,105 --> 03:57:24,665
before it is signed, uh, either an executive session or, or

3133
03:57:25,365 --> 03:57:29,265
publicly, uh, or is that just going to be negotiated and handled and

3134
03:57:29,485 --> 03:57:33,365
we, and we'll just live with whatever, uh, whichever agreement y'all have.

3135
03:57:34,305 --> 03:57:38,105
so I wanna be very careful when you say live with the purpose of

3136
03:57:38,345 --> 03:57:42,325
the due diligence is to bring that back to the council

3137
03:57:43,265 --> 03:57:46,925
and at any point in time, whether it's a change or accept

3138
03:57:47,385 --> 03:57:51,305
or reject, a modification would be done when that information is

3139
03:57:51,805 --> 03:57:55,805
provided. So what I cannot tell you council member roth, is that between now and that time

3140
03:57:56,085 --> 03:57:59,955
period while city council is off on recess during the month of july,

3141
03:58:00,435 --> 03:58:04,425
that I would even have that information available. But when we do get

3142
03:58:04,665 --> 03:58:08,405
the information, we would be bringing that back to you the same way we do agenda

3143
03:58:08,735 --> 03:58:12,605
items. I don't bring you draft agenda items before they appear. We would give

3144
03:58:12,805 --> 03:58:16,685
you an opportunity to know what we're going to present and then give council

3145
03:58:17,065 --> 03:58:21,005
an opportunity to weigh in and engage. But I can't promise you that between now and august

3146
03:58:21,755 --> 03:58:25,665
that I would have all of that ready to bring you a draft, go back and forth during

3147
03:58:26,085 --> 03:58:30,085
the time that council is out of, off, off on your official recess. But as soon

3148
03:58:30,245 --> 03:58:34,125
as we know that we have the due diligence and it's in a shape and in a form that we can bring

3149
03:58:34,445 --> 03:58:38,085
it to you, that's what we would be providing. This will not negate

3150
03:58:38,485 --> 03:58:42,385
council's ability to ask questions. It does not negate council's ability to

3151
03:58:42,705 --> 03:58:46,405
reject anything that we bring back. But as part of that due diligence,

3152
03:58:46,915 --> 03:58:50,885
that is what you're asking, I think for me to do. And I'm sharing with you that I don't

3153
03:58:51,125 --> 03:58:54,805
bring drafts and do negotiations back and forth with council members

3154
03:58:55,415 --> 03:58:59,405
about what we're working on until it's ready to come in a form that gives you an opportunity

3155
03:58:59,825 --> 03:59:03,765
to weigh in and have a deliberate debate about it. And that would be the

3156
03:59:03,885 --> 03:59:07,645
same process that we would utilize for this. It would not be different.

3157
03:59:09,065 --> 03:59:13,045
uh, thank you. Uh, and, and I'm sorry that my question is not clear. It is

3158
03:59:13,265 --> 03:59:16,605
not about the due diligence, it is about the terms

3159
03:59:17,465 --> 03:59:21,185
of the pre-acquisition agreement. That's

3160
03:59:21,605 --> 03:59:25,485
what I'm interested in finding out what is going to be in that agreement.

3161
03:59:26,835 --> 03:59:30,755
it's not in the due diligence that you're gonna acquire, it's not in the process,

3162
03:59:31,665 --> 03:59:35,445
in the information that we're gonna be presented later. I wanna

3163
03:59:35,865 --> 03:59:39,755
see the agreement that we're signing to start this

3164
03:59:40,045 --> 03:59:43,705
process that that authorizes us to spend $2 million.

3165
03:59:46,985 --> 03:59:50,265
and that's your time, ms. Mr. Roth.

3166
03:59:51,005 --> 03:59:54,585
I will just say that as part of the work that has

3167
03:59:55,045 --> 03:59:59,015
happened now, even with the work that seabury has done, we have brought every

3168
03:59:59,365 --> 04:00:03,285
step of the way that worked to the council. We would do the exact same thing

3169
04:00:03,485 --> 04:00:06,405
that we have done up until this point. We would not be deviating from that.

3170
04:00:07,855 --> 04:00:11,365
thank you. Um, I think the city attorney had an answer

3171
04:00:12,105 --> 04:00:15,965
to a previous question they wanted to clarify. And then I'm gonna go

3172
04:00:16,125 --> 04:00:17,325
to ms. Blackman for three minutes.

3173
04:00:23,165 --> 04:00:26,705
hi, uh, I don't wanna confuse someone, but just to clarify,

3174
04:00:27,535 --> 04:00:31,125
diligence is a wide scope that has to be determined based on

3175
04:00:32,005 --> 04:00:35,905
cbre's, um, input as to which, which, what type of

3176
04:00:36,135 --> 04:00:39,855
diligence pre-acquisition work has to be done for each site.

3177
04:00:40,535 --> 04:00:43,675
okay. That may include the negotiation of terms,

3178
04:00:44,765 --> 04:00:48,415
um, of what is the diligence for that particular site

3179
04:00:48,805 --> 04:00:52,625
as to what is the best opportunity on that site, whether

3180
04:00:52,985 --> 04:00:56,965
it's a lease to purchase, lease purchase, uh, lease to own.

3181
04:00:57,525 --> 04:01:01,125
so that is part of diligence. The the difference though is

3182
04:01:02,275 --> 04:01:05,505
while they, while they can gather up all that information,

3183
04:01:06,845 --> 04:01:10,575
the city ca city manager will not be authorized to execute

3184
04:01:11,425 --> 04:01:14,655
a final decision or a final agreement

3185
04:01:15,885 --> 04:01:19,885
as to any one of those options. Um, this also, uh,

3186
04:01:20,105 --> 04:01:23,825
the resolution also authorizes to execute the scope

3187
04:01:24,205 --> 04:01:27,415
of all that. So cbre will be negotiating

3188
04:01:28,605 --> 04:01:32,545
all of those items and allowing, bringing it to the city manager.

3189
04:01:33,205 --> 04:01:36,825
and she will execute the agreement that includes all those.

3190
04:01:37,405 --> 04:01:40,965
but as to the final selection, the

3191
04:01:41,485 --> 04:01:45,325
option, the lease lease to lease to purchase, or a straight out

3192
04:01:45,605 --> 04:01:49,555
buy, the city council will see another resolution for that based

3193
04:01:49,905 --> 04:01:53,785
on her determination and presentation to you in executive session

3194
04:01:54,645 --> 04:01:58,405
of all of that information from the diligence. So I hope that helps. So

3195
04:02:02,145 --> 04:02:06,135
five. Um, you ed three minutes, ms. Blackman. Thank you. Wait, wait, connie, um, just to

3196
04:02:06,355 --> 04:02:09,715
clarify, so the due diligence part of this is actually,

3197
04:02:10,945 --> 04:02:14,935
basically even though there's not authorization to eng

3198
04:02:15,155 --> 04:02:19,095
engage or to actually sign on the bottom, on the end of it, she is acting or

3199
04:02:19,315 --> 04:02:23,215
they are acting as, as a, they're, they're negotiating for

3200
04:02:23,435 --> 04:02:27,355
us. They are actually creating a deal, if you will. Correct. 'cause that's part of diligence.

3201
04:02:27,815 --> 04:02:31,615
but there is to go out there. Okay. But there's no authorization to

3202
04:02:32,285 --> 04:02:36,115
enter into a final deal. That's correct. That's correct.

3203
04:02:36,375 --> 04:02:40,355
but that all part of diligence, trying to find the best model for that building.

3204
04:02:40,745 --> 04:02:44,555
okay. Thank you. Um, so I guess,

3205
04:02:44,885 --> 04:02:48,675
peter, you said it's six to eight weeks to do all this work

3206
04:02:50,455 --> 04:02:54,225
and miss city manager, you are working on the budget in july

3207
04:02:55,535 --> 04:02:59,375
and you said, I guess I'm trying to understand, when is this gonna come back to us? Is

3208
04:02:59,595 --> 04:03:03,515
it at the end of august? The beginning of august, september? I'm, I'm trying to understand

3209
04:03:04,295 --> 04:03:08,115
if, and it could be general. I, I, I would say that

3210
04:03:08,315 --> 04:03:12,195
my goal because of the budget, and I've said this before, that we've already started

3211
04:03:12,735 --> 04:03:16,715
and we are aggressively involved in the budget work now that my goal would be able to bring

3212
04:03:16,915 --> 04:03:20,845
it back when I believe that it's in a form and shape and form that council can have

3213
04:03:21,045 --> 04:03:24,845
some additional debate and make some decisions. My goal would be to not drag

3214
04:03:25,125 --> 04:03:29,125
it out past august because that doesn't give me enough flexibility to be able

3215
04:03:29,285 --> 04:03:33,175
to make any adjustments in the budget. You'll receive the budget the second week of august. We'll

3216
04:03:33,525 --> 04:03:37,325
go into budget workshop discussions, town halls. So my goal would be to deliver

3217
04:03:37,605 --> 04:03:41,465
it sometime in august. I can't give you an exact date because we're still working to

3218
04:03:41,685 --> 04:03:45,685
get approval to move forward once we know that we're moving forward. We'll work on a timeline

3219
04:03:46,185 --> 04:03:50,045
and I can send the council a memorandum over the summer that tells you how we're

3220
04:03:50,445 --> 04:03:54,185
tracking on a timeline. Well, I'm just trying to reconcile his

3221
04:03:55,605 --> 04:03:59,365
timeline with your timeline , because, uh, you're saying eight weeks

3222
04:03:59,625 --> 04:04:03,605
to do, I guess 'cause you're negotiating and people are probably outta town in

3223
04:04:03,805 --> 04:04:07,725
june and july, um, or july and august and you're bringing it back

3224
04:04:08,225 --> 04:04:12,085
the, when we come back in the middle of, of august. So I'm trying to reconcile

3225
04:04:13,345 --> 04:04:17,325
six to eight weeks in your timeline. It'll be my job to

3226
04:04:17,525 --> 04:04:21,445
reconcile, uh, and to be able to share with counsel if we have enough information, even

3227
04:04:21,685 --> 04:04:25,685
if it's preliminary, what I can bring back. Um, I'm giving you the timeframe

3228
04:04:26,125 --> 04:04:30,125
based on the budget. Definitely need to do the work with mr. Janssen and

3229
04:04:30,325 --> 04:04:34,325
his team to be able to refine that, uh, that timeline. But that's just what we

3230
04:04:34,445 --> 04:04:38,365
know as of today. Okay. So we, when we get back and we look at the

3231
04:04:38,485 --> 04:04:42,245
budget, if we are going to make a move, it should, those

3232
04:04:42,525 --> 04:04:46,515
numbers should be in the budget going into next year. That

3233
04:04:46,805 --> 04:04:50,625
would be my recommendation. But again, that's a final decision of the council. And,

3234
04:04:50,945 --> 04:04:54,845
and so, um, will you be able to show us where that line item is? 'cause

3235
04:04:54,965 --> 04:04:55,365
it's a big budget.

3236
04:04:59,155 --> 04:05:02,795
I don't think I'd be able to get your approval on anything if I don't show you where it is in the budget. Sometimes

3237
04:05:03,395 --> 04:05:07,315
I think that's what you, sometimes I know where it can be buried somewhere. Well,

3238
04:05:07,595 --> 04:05:11,475
I will tell you, we, we have no barr funds and we have a lot of work

3239
04:05:11,675 --> 04:05:15,535
to do between now and the time that I present a budget, um, knowing our

3240
04:05:15,755 --> 04:05:19,445
current budget and what we're facing going forward. Okay. Thank

3241
04:05:19,795 --> 04:05:22,815
you ms.

3242
04:05:24,925 --> 04:05:28,755
yeah. Ms. Kani, you recognize for three minutes? Yes. Yeah. So,

3243
04:05:29,155 --> 04:05:32,855
uh, talking about the public engagement, I think it would be helpful to have

3244
04:05:33,215 --> 04:05:37,135
a timeline if possible. Um, because I know like for some of

3245
04:05:37,295 --> 04:05:41,245
the postings, the, um, you know, the, it's

3246
04:05:41,905 --> 04:05:45,645
maybe not posted 24 hours before the meeting. And so I'm, we're not some,

3247
04:05:46,135 --> 04:05:50,015
I know when I did my public meeting, I wasn't sure when I would

3248
04:05:50,175 --> 04:05:54,095
have material or what material I could even possibly have to present

3249
04:05:54,595 --> 04:05:58,305
at the public meeting. And when I did ask, um, for help, staff

3250
04:05:58,675 --> 04:06:01,775
was great. They showed up. Um, I had mr. Jensen there, he came,

3251
04:06:02,795 --> 04:06:06,615
but it was, um, difficult to plan that because

3252
04:06:07,225 --> 04:06:11,055
there wasn't much help on what material I would even have to present.

3253
04:06:11,755 --> 04:06:15,645
and so I'm just wondering, is there any way that we can

3254
04:06:15,805 --> 04:06:19,705
have some guidance or a timeline so that we are able to know when we

3255
04:06:19,925 --> 04:06:23,885
can have those, that public engagement? Thank you for the

3256
04:06:24,085 --> 04:06:27,805
question. Councilman medina. My responsibility will be to get a timeline ready.

3257
04:06:28,365 --> 04:06:32,315
I just can't give you that off the top of my head today. I think that's going to, again, need

3258
04:06:32,605 --> 04:06:36,305
to align with the work that we have to do over the summer. Um, and

3259
04:06:36,865 --> 04:06:40,845
the expectation would be that we would provide whatever we have from a public

3260
04:06:41,045 --> 04:06:44,925
standpoint that we could begin to share. This council has continued to ask for side

3261
04:06:45,165 --> 04:06:49,125
by side. Well, I can't give you a side by side today because there are too many variables that we have

3262
04:06:49,245 --> 04:06:52,995
not been able to go further into beyond the market exploration

3263
04:06:53,685 --> 04:06:57,485
to be able to provide that. As soon as we know that we have something that we can make available,

3264
04:06:58,475 --> 04:07:02,405
I'll give you a, a timeline, be able to lay that out for you. And I

3265
04:07:02,525 --> 04:07:06,405
just wanna clarify something about the town hall meetings. A lot of what was being asked for

3266
04:07:06,565 --> 04:07:10,125
at the town hall meetings was work that had been done by outside consultants.

3267
04:07:11,185 --> 04:07:15,165
the last six months of activity and work was not the staff's work, it was

3268
04:07:15,285 --> 04:07:19,285
the independent consultants who had done the work. And so oftentimes we were being

3269
04:07:19,445 --> 04:07:23,325
asked to come to meetings to answer the questions about the work that the consultants had conducted.

3270
04:07:23,905 --> 04:07:27,765
and so my responsibility will make sure that this process and what we're doing during

3271
04:07:28,005 --> 04:07:31,845
the due diligence will be what staff is doing in coordination with

3272
04:07:32,205 --> 04:07:36,105
cbre and the public side of that. That does not compromise the

3273
04:07:36,325 --> 04:07:39,605
real estate components of this. That we would help provide some type of a public,

3274
04:07:40,385 --> 04:07:44,155
uh, form information that could then be shared, but this information

3275
04:07:44,945 --> 04:07:48,845
is needed in order to be able to bring that back and be able to do that for you. So I can't

3276
04:07:49,085 --> 04:07:53,045
give you a timeline today, but definitely we'll work on that over the summer with all the other things that

3277
04:07:53,245 --> 04:07:57,165
we have underway. Yeah, I would just ask that we would make sure that we provide time

3278
04:07:57,545 --> 04:08:01,125
for public input and present material to them as well.

3279
04:08:02,145 --> 04:08:06,005
um, which brings me to one more question. So I think peter mentioned

3280
04:08:06,485 --> 04:08:10,425
that, um, cbre was maybe not doing this study, so

3281
04:08:10,725 --> 04:08:14,525
I was wondering what is facilities and real estate management since the funds are going there?

3282
04:08:14,785 --> 04:08:18,605
are they, is the funds just going through that department or who's cycle?

3283
04:08:19,065 --> 04:08:22,755
that's just the payment cycle? We have, we have departments,

3284
04:08:24,225 --> 04:08:27,725
ics funds, object codes is just the formality.

3285
04:08:28,585 --> 04:08:32,545
so the funds can be dispersed, but again, that is a not to seed amount and

3286
04:08:32,765 --> 04:08:36,565
if we don't need all the funds, we're not gonna spend all the funds. But it's just where the funds will

3287
04:08:36,845 --> 04:08:40,765
be sitting. They will approve any kind of invoices and then authorize those payments

3288
04:08:41,205 --> 04:08:44,925
that then go to the controller's office to process. Okay. I just, I needed clarity

3289
04:08:45,225 --> 04:08:49,125
if it was the department that was involved or if it was just cpre. So thank you.

3290
04:08:49,905 --> 04:08:53,285
yes, ma'am. Um,

3291
04:08:54,205 --> 04:08:57,985
deputy mayor proam, you recognize for five minutes.

3292
04:09:03,665 --> 04:09:06,875
okay. Um, chairman ridley, you're recognized for one minute

3293
04:09:08,975 --> 04:09:10,795
follow up question for the city attorney.

3294
04:09:21,245 --> 04:09:24,805
so in the previous round, ms. Tankers lee, you responded to my

3295
04:09:25,305 --> 04:09:29,055
question about the scope of this resolution and due diligence as not including

3296
04:09:29,965 --> 04:09:33,925
any negotiation of terms. And yet subsequent to

3297
04:09:34,175 --> 04:09:37,385
that exchange, you came back and reversed your opinion

3298
04:09:38,365 --> 04:09:42,065
saying that due diligence will include negotiation of terms.

3299
04:09:42,615 --> 04:09:46,285
what caused you to reverse your position on your previous opinion? So

3300
04:09:46,805 --> 04:09:50,485
for me, having done real estate for 31 years plus, um,

3301
04:09:50,885 --> 04:09:54,745
due diligence includes what, what would be the best options for a particular

3302
04:09:55,175 --> 04:09:59,105
site? Um, and so terms for me with regard to

3303
04:09:59,385 --> 04:10:03,145
a final transaction would be that, but it stops short of that.

3304
04:10:03,845 --> 04:10:07,725
so the scope of due diligence would include, uh,

3305
04:10:07,945 --> 04:10:11,865
things like, you know, what is the best, best opportunity there

3306
04:10:12,185 --> 04:10:16,145
that you're receiving from the property owner? But then it stops short of

3307
04:10:16,345 --> 04:10:20,305
the final negotiation. So that's why I said that. So I'm sorry if there was any confusion

3308
04:10:20,825 --> 04:10:23,765
on that. But, um, in the real estate, uh, market,

3309
04:10:25,015 --> 04:10:28,945
obviously you would wanna get non-binding, uh, potential opportunities

3310
04:10:29,765 --> 04:10:33,505
for the particular sites, whether it's, uh, asking the property owner

3311
04:10:34,085 --> 04:10:37,625
what's the best lease opportunity for your building or what's the best,

3312
04:10:38,165 --> 04:10:41,745
uh, lease to purchase opportunity, what's the best straight out acquisition?

3313
04:10:42,565 --> 04:10:46,055
but you're not negotiating those final terms, you're just seeking them.

3314
04:10:46,605 --> 04:10:50,585
so that's all part of due diligence. Well, so back to my

3315
04:10:50,985 --> 04:10:54,175
original question. This resolution doesn't expressly authorize

3316
04:10:55,125 --> 04:10:58,755
any negotiation of terms or a term sheet

3317
04:10:59,245 --> 04:11:03,245
for entry into a lease or a purchase agreement. Does it? It, it, it

3318
04:11:03,655 --> 04:11:07,575
nego, it authorizes her to negotiate and execute,

3319
04:11:08,485 --> 04:11:12,245
uh, define and define the terms for a relocation option.

3320
04:11:12,845 --> 04:11:16,405
the only thing it doesn't say it stops short of a relocation option.

3321
04:11:17,285 --> 04:11:20,925
um, uh, limited to a lease option or

3322
04:11:21,485 --> 04:11:24,905
an, uh, a buy option or a lease to purchase option.

3323
04:11:25,565 --> 04:11:29,085
so that's all part of the diligence that cbre needs to flush out

3324
04:11:29,645 --> 04:11:32,935
and they're not authorized to do that yet. So they could bring her back

3325
04:11:33,965 --> 04:11:37,625
all those three opportunities for each one of the sites and then

3326
04:11:37,975 --> 04:11:41,505
present that to you and, uh, executive session and you deliberate

3327
04:11:42,065 --> 04:11:46,055
and give her further direction. So she is not authorized to execute

3328
04:11:46,685 --> 04:11:50,665
on any one of those opportunities yet, but she can get all the information

3329
04:11:51,205 --> 04:11:55,185
she needs to present them to you and then have a final negotiation with

3330
04:11:55,385 --> 04:11:59,315
those property owners. So there's no authorization in this resolution to enter

3331
04:11:59,895 --> 04:12:03,445
into even a non-binding term sheet. Um,

3332
04:12:04,065 --> 04:12:08,065
I would say that they can present a non-binding term sheet because that's kind of the term of art

3333
04:12:08,525 --> 04:12:12,205
in the industry. It's a non-binding, uh, listing of the terms

3334
04:12:12,555 --> 04:12:15,565
that they can present. Yes. Thank you mayor.

3335
04:12:18,025 --> 04:12:21,505
anyone else wishing to speak on for against agenda item one.

3336
04:12:22,625 --> 04:12:26,445
seeing none, madam secretary, call the role please. Thank you mr. Mayor,

3337
04:12:26,835 --> 04:12:30,795
when I call your name, please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose. Council

3338
04:12:31,285 --> 04:12:35,085
member west. Yes. Council member moreno? Yes. Council member

3339
04:12:35,605 --> 04:12:39,395
gracie? Yes. Council member kana? No. Council

3340
04:12:39,885 --> 04:12:43,885
member basil doa is absent when vote

3341
04:12:44,085 --> 04:12:47,645
taken. Council member blair? Yes. Council member blackman?

3342
04:12:48,345 --> 04:12:51,915
no. Council member stewart? Yes. Council member roth?

3343
04:12:52,585 --> 04:12:55,905
no. Council member mendelson? No. Council member willis?

3344
04:12:57,785 --> 04:13:01,745
yes. Council member ridley? No. Deputy mayor pro

3345
04:13:01,985 --> 04:13:05,345
tem johnson? Yes. Mayor pro tem resendez? Yes.

3346
04:13:06,015 --> 04:13:07,465
mayor johnson? Yes.

3347
04:13:32,705 --> 04:13:36,555
with nine. Voting in favor. Five opposed? One absent vote. Taken the item. The motion

3348
04:13:36,755 --> 04:13:40,715
passes mr. Mayor. Alright, that's great. Um, we're gonna move on to the

3349
04:13:40,835 --> 04:13:44,215
next item after we take a recess until one 30. And

3350
04:13:44,975 --> 04:13:48,035
so we're staying at recess for 12 minutes.

3351
04:13:49,095 --> 04:13:53,005
I'm recognized, um, cheryl willis for an

3352
04:13:53,405 --> 04:13:57,125
announcement. Yes, we have a birthday. Uh, council member blackman,

3353
04:13:57,735 --> 04:14:01,685
happy birthday to you. We've got a wonderful cake, a swiss madrina cake

3354
04:14:02,035 --> 04:14:05,865
from hank's european bakery in district 13, but

3355
04:14:06,085 --> 04:14:09,925
it was your request so I'm sure we can

3356
04:14:10,165 --> 04:14:12,565
sing and that's when I step away from the mic ,

3357
04:14:23,095 --> 04:14:26,645
just in case you guys didn't hear that. We're at recess until one 30 so you guys can

3358
04:14:27,255 --> 04:14:31,105
take a bio break. Alright. I'm told the broadcast

3359
04:14:31,645 --> 04:14:35,465
is ready is back up. So we're back

3360
04:14:36,365 --> 04:14:40,225
in our special call meeting. It's 1:39 pm ma'am, secretary

3361
04:14:41,365 --> 04:14:45,325
and, uh, chairman west. You recognize I have a d to the record. Oh,

3362
04:14:45,545 --> 04:14:49,475
we're gonna read the item to the record and then you're recognized for a motion. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

3363
04:14:49,825 --> 04:14:53,745
agenda item two is a resolution one to authorize the

3364
04:14:53,945 --> 04:14:57,585
city manager to negotiate and execute pre-acquisition agreements

3365
04:14:58,225 --> 04:15:02,045
that define the terms, responsibilities and cost sharing between the

3366
04:15:02,545 --> 04:15:06,485
property owners and the city of dallas in order to conduct necessary due

3367
04:15:06,705 --> 04:15:10,445
diligence work for no more than four property locations in dallas

3368
04:15:11,095 --> 04:15:14,825
sites for the purpose of assessing the relocation option

3369
04:15:15,305 --> 04:15:19,205
for 9 1 1 and emergency operation staff and functions

3370
04:15:19,835 --> 04:15:23,525
from 1500 marilla street to transfer appropriations

3371
04:15:23,905 --> 04:15:27,715
in an amount not to exceed $1 million from

3372
04:15:28,005 --> 04:15:31,585
the arpa city hall generation and

3373
04:15:32,525 --> 04:15:35,825
electrical repair line item to a new arpa city hall pre-acquisition

3374
04:15:36,805 --> 04:15:40,795
line item and authorized disbursement of payments to conduct such

3375
04:15:41,225 --> 04:15:45,165
due diligence for the sites, including cost reimbursement to the

3376
04:15:45,565 --> 04:15:49,505
property owners for the performance of due diligence deliverables. And

3377
04:15:49,725 --> 04:15:53,285
three, to direct the city manager to bring the due diligence

3378
04:15:53,915 --> 04:15:57,725
results to city council for their consideration not to exceed

3379
04:15:58,045 --> 04:16:01,965
$1 million. This is your item, mr. Mayor. I move to approve this

3380
04:16:02,205 --> 04:16:06,065
item with the following, change to the source of funds by eliminating reference to

3381
04:16:06,285 --> 04:16:10,205
the transfer of arpa funds and instead authorize the city

3382
04:16:10,365 --> 04:16:14,285
manager to transfer funds in an amount not to exceed $1 million from the general

3383
04:16:14,595 --> 04:16:18,565
fund contingency reserve fund to the general fund and increase

3384
04:16:19,085 --> 04:16:23,085
appropriations in an amount not to exceed $1 million in facilities and

3385
04:16:23,285 --> 04:16:26,205
real estate management from general fund contingency fund reserve.

3386
04:16:27,625 --> 04:16:31,155
is there a second? Second. So we moved in second. A discussion chairman west

3387
04:16:32,145 --> 04:16:34,945
and discussion wo mendelson. Yes. Uh,

3388
04:16:36,325 --> 04:16:39,545
I moved to amend the motion to require any

3389
04:16:40,525 --> 04:16:44,365
facility considered for a new 9 1 1 center to have sufficient parking

3390
04:16:44,745 --> 04:16:48,005
for the number of 9 1 1 staff members scheduled at peak call time

3391
04:16:48,915 --> 04:16:52,725
with the same secure amenities they enjoy today. Secured access

3392
04:16:53,085 --> 04:16:56,965
of vehicles, secure path from door to car with cameras and security

3393
04:16:57,125 --> 04:17:01,125
personnel barrier to ensure non-authorized personnel can't enter

3394
04:17:01,325 --> 04:17:04,745
parking area or shoot into the parking lot. Second,

3395
04:17:05,395 --> 04:17:09,145
it's been moved in. Second discussion chairwoman mendelson. Sure you

3396
04:17:09,565 --> 04:17:10,685
recognize for five minutes. Thank you.

3397
04:17:14,615 --> 04:17:18,485
many of us, you know, we park in a very specific area, but

3398
04:17:19,055 --> 04:17:22,845
just across the way, a little bit more towards the red elevators, that's

3399
04:17:23,265 --> 04:17:27,145
where the 9 1 1 operators generally park. And what you might

3400
04:17:27,385 --> 04:17:31,065
notice sometimes when you're coming or going is that the operators are sometimes

3401
04:17:31,545 --> 04:17:35,425
sitting in their car and they're doing that to have a moment

3402
04:17:35,605 --> 04:17:39,505
of privacy, a moment of relief. They can make a

3403
04:17:39,625 --> 04:17:43,375
phone call with anyone overhearing it. They can just decompress from

3404
04:17:43,665 --> 04:17:47,125
what is arguably an extremely stressful job.

3405
04:17:48,535 --> 04:17:51,335
sometimes they need to cry after a terrible call,

3406
04:17:53,365 --> 04:17:57,065
but what they know is they can walk from the 9 1 1 center

3407
04:17:57,525 --> 04:18:01,225
to their car with complete security. They leave

3408
04:18:02,025 --> 04:18:05,425
a badge access area, then they leave a second badge access area,

3409
04:18:06,175 --> 04:18:09,305
then they walk out the door to the garage, which is also badge access

3410
04:18:10,675 --> 04:18:14,425
into a parking garage that has an actual guard and

3411
04:18:14,735 --> 04:18:18,405
gates. No matter what time of day it is, those gates are working

3412
04:18:19,065 --> 04:18:22,425
and they can go there and know that they're safe. As we

3413
04:18:23,085 --> 04:18:26,205
consider, uh, relocating the 9 1 1 center,

3414
04:18:28,015 --> 04:18:31,895
the same level of security needs to be able to be provided for

3415
04:18:32,775 --> 04:18:36,075
the call takers. It's possible

3416
04:18:36,985 --> 04:18:40,675
that, um, pods could be developed. I've visited

3417
04:18:41,075 --> 04:18:44,955
a number of 9 1 1 centers that have secure pods so that you

3418
04:18:45,155 --> 04:18:49,055
can make a phone call without everyone in the world hearing it.

3419
04:18:49,855 --> 04:18:53,735
you can have a private moment to decompress, but

3420
04:18:54,045 --> 04:18:57,635
still we have operators that will be coming and going at every hour

3421
04:18:58,585 --> 04:19:01,955
when discussing the 9 1 1 center. One of the things we heard about

3422
04:19:02,855 --> 04:19:06,675
is how it's an aging workforce. If you've gone down there, I think you might

3423
04:19:06,875 --> 04:19:10,755
agree that's true. Um, and also there's people with various

3424
04:19:11,205 --> 04:19:15,015
level of mobility that are doing that job. And

3425
04:19:15,295 --> 04:19:17,905
to ask them to leave an unsecure area

3426
04:19:19,775 --> 04:19:23,445
at all hours of the night is to actually limit

3427
04:19:24,215 --> 04:19:28,175
our recruiting potential and our retention potential. And

3428
04:19:28,855 --> 04:19:32,645
if you're a nine one operator, you got a lot of choices and jobs. There

3429
04:19:32,995 --> 04:19:36,975
is not a single law enforcement agency that isn't looking to hire you,

3430
04:19:38,045 --> 04:19:41,185
especially if you're already experienced. You already have a tco license.

3431
04:19:43,105 --> 04:19:46,895
they have a lot of choices and so this

3432
04:19:47,285 --> 04:19:51,265
is extremely important to their quality of life and their decision

3433
04:19:51,485 --> 04:19:55,385
to stay with the city. So I hope you will support making sure that we are providing,

3434
04:19:56,645 --> 04:19:59,665
uh, the kind of facility with parking,

3435
04:20:00,845 --> 04:20:03,785
secure parking for all of our staff. Thank you.

3436
04:20:05,525 --> 04:20:08,625
anyone else wishing to speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelssohn?

3437
04:20:09,805 --> 04:20:13,725
seeing none. A record vote will be had on all these, uh, for item two as well. So

3438
04:20:13,945 --> 04:20:17,765
madam secretary, please call roll. Thank you mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes if

3439
04:20:17,985 --> 04:20:21,655
you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west. No. Council

3440
04:20:22,145 --> 04:20:25,585
member moreno? No. Council member gracie? No. Council member

3441
04:20:26,205 --> 04:20:30,185
ena? Yes. Council member basil doa is absent

3442
04:20:30,585 --> 04:20:34,545
when vote taken. Council member blair? No. Council member blackman?

3443
04:20:35,365 --> 04:20:39,175
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth?

3444
04:20:39,685 --> 04:20:43,445
yes. Council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis?

3445
04:20:44,285 --> 04:20:48,285
no. Council member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro

3446
04:20:48,505 --> 04:20:52,335
timm johnson. I'm sorry. No.

3447
04:20:54,245 --> 04:20:57,455
mayor pro tem resendez? No. Mayor johnson? No.

3448
04:21:00,265 --> 04:21:04,255
with five voting in favor. Nine opposed? One absent vote. Taken the

3449
04:21:04,475 --> 04:21:07,765
amendment fails. Mr. Mayor, for what purpose? Chairwoman mendelson.

3450
04:21:08,845 --> 04:21:12,525
I have a motion to amend the, I have an amendment to the motion

3451
04:21:13,465 --> 04:21:17,405
to require all properties considered for new 9 1 1 facilities have

3452
04:21:17,695 --> 04:21:21,575
equal or better physical protection for the continuity of operations

3453
04:21:22,785 --> 04:21:26,605
as 1500 marilla, including general and physical building

3454
04:21:27,125 --> 04:21:31,125
security protections against terroristic attacks, weather events like

3455
04:21:31,405 --> 04:21:35,405
tornadoes and cyber attacks. Second. So we moved in second.

3456
04:21:35,565 --> 04:21:38,165
any discussion chairwoman mendelson? I,

3457
04:21:39,785 --> 04:21:43,445
yes. You have five minutes. I'll just say this really ought to be self-evident

3458
04:21:44,505 --> 04:21:48,505
if you vote against this. I don't even know what to say. But the

3459
04:21:48,725 --> 04:21:52,515
possibility is that we could choose one that

3460
04:21:52,825 --> 04:21:56,715
has less fortitude than what we have today. Less

3461
04:21:57,365 --> 04:22:01,285
redundancy. So I, I am very glad

3462
04:22:01,525 --> 04:22:05,355
we're gonna have a record vote and if, if you care

3463
04:22:05,555 --> 04:22:08,395
about 9 1 1 operations, you'll at least approve this one. Thank you,

3464
04:22:09,885 --> 04:22:13,435
mayor pro tem, we recognize for five minutes. Really briefly, just wanna repeat. Once again,

3465
04:22:13,955 --> 04:22:17,685
regardless of how this vote goes, we'll still have the opportunity to address those issues. Thank

3466
04:22:18,035 --> 04:22:21,955
you. Anyone else we should speak on for, against the amendment by chairwoman mendelson.

3467
04:22:22,615 --> 04:22:26,555
seeing none. Record vote. Madam secretary. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name,

3468
04:22:26,715 --> 04:22:30,615
please state yes, if you in favor? No. If you oppose council member west. No.

3469
04:22:30,945 --> 04:22:34,835
council member moreno. No. Council member gracie? No. Council member

3470
04:22:35,455 --> 04:22:39,435
kna? Yes. Council member basel dua. It's is absent when

3471
04:22:39,595 --> 04:22:42,915
vote taken. Council member blair? No. Council member blackman?

3472
04:22:44,095 --> 04:22:47,545
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth?

3473
04:22:48,135 --> 04:22:51,735
yes. Council member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis?

3474
04:22:53,795 --> 04:22:57,395
no. Council member ridley. Yes.

3475
04:22:57,955 --> 04:23:01,855
deputy mayor pro timm johnson. No. Mayor pro timm resendez?

3476
04:23:02,235 --> 04:23:06,095
no. Mayor johnson? No. With five voting

3477
04:23:06,435 --> 04:23:10,175
in favor. Nine opposed? One absent. Absent. Vote. Taken. The amendment

3478
04:23:10,505 --> 04:23:14,455
fails. Mr. Mayor, what purpose? Chairwoman mendelson. I move to amend the motion

3479
04:23:14,835 --> 04:23:18,605
to require all properties considered for a new 9 1 1 facility. Have

3480
04:23:18,895 --> 04:23:22,175
equal or better layers of redundancy for con continuity of operations

3481
04:23:23,435 --> 04:23:27,075
at that site? Over 1500 marilla, including power, telecommunications,

3482
04:23:27,945 --> 04:23:31,575
radio systems, cybersecurity, staffing, physical security, backup

3483
04:23:31,985 --> 04:23:35,695
facilities, and disaster recovery. Second. It's been moved in a second. Any discussion

3484
04:23:36,055 --> 04:23:39,625
chairwoman? Sure.

3485
04:23:40,065 --> 04:23:43,805
five minutes. If you would not

3486
04:23:45,185 --> 04:23:48,775
agree to equal or better layers of redundancy for continuity

3487
04:23:49,375 --> 04:23:53,295
of operations of our 9 1 1 center, then clearly every single

3488
04:23:53,765 --> 04:23:57,695
vote today is just simply no matter what they say to

3489
04:23:57,855 --> 04:24:01,565
us, vote no. Like without

3490
04:24:02,105 --> 04:24:06,045
any level of thinking. Many of you were endorsed by public safety.

3491
04:24:06,985 --> 04:24:10,885
say you promote public safety. This is the most basic of public

3492
04:24:11,205 --> 04:24:15,155
safety functions. So you wanna vote? No.

3493
04:24:16,015 --> 04:24:19,335
I guess that'll just be another vote on the record for everybody. But shame on you

3494
04:24:21,355 --> 04:24:25,215
ms. Blair. You recognize for five minutes? I wasn't gonna say

3495
04:24:25,615 --> 04:24:29,615
anything today, but I am gonna say something on this. This is the whole purpose

3496
04:24:29,925 --> 04:24:33,805
that we're doing this exercise. It's for better, not for, for consistency,

3497
04:24:34,995 --> 04:24:38,455
for more security, not status quo. For better

3498
04:24:39,045 --> 04:24:42,725
quality of life for our employees, not less,

3499
04:24:43,755 --> 04:24:47,505
for better, uh, access to technology.

3500
04:24:48,715 --> 04:24:52,495
not, not less. So I'm, I'm failing to understand

3501
04:24:53,115 --> 04:24:56,675
why we're going through an exercise when we're asking the, the whole reason

3502
04:24:57,225 --> 04:25:00,855
we're doing these things is to give our employees

3503
04:25:01,715 --> 04:25:05,565
better than what they have secure, more secure than

3504
04:25:05,855 --> 04:25:09,735
what they have and more technology than what they have. Thank you mayor

3505
04:25:11,025 --> 04:25:14,645
chairwoman mendelson, you recognize for three minutes. Thank you. I'd like to emphasize

3506
04:25:15,765 --> 04:25:19,475
that the amendment says to have equal or better.

3507
04:25:20,875 --> 04:25:24,775
so if you are for equal or better, you would support this

3508
04:25:25,055 --> 04:25:28,965
item. I love that anybody would be talking about what

3509
04:25:29,255 --> 04:25:32,975
the employees want. I don't believe the employees have been asked

3510
04:25:33,315 --> 04:25:36,895
in the 9 1 1 center, because many of them have told me they have not.

3511
04:25:40,865 --> 04:25:44,715
there are things that I cannot say because of executive session, but

3512
04:25:44,935 --> 04:25:48,385
this was purposely written this way

3513
04:25:49,405 --> 04:25:53,185
to ensure that the selection of any facility

3514
04:25:53,875 --> 04:25:57,835
would be equal or better. There's

3515
04:25:58,325 --> 04:26:02,325
a reason I'm concerned that we might pick, I won't pick.

3516
04:26:02,585 --> 04:26:05,965
you might pick a facility that is worse.

3517
04:26:08,235 --> 04:26:12,105
there is every reason to be concerned about that. And so

3518
04:26:12,755 --> 04:26:14,765
again, the motion clearly states,

3519
04:26:16,885 --> 04:26:20,595
all properties considered for a new 9 1 1 facility have equal

3520
04:26:21,365 --> 04:26:25,305
or better layers of redundancy for continuity of

3521
04:26:25,465 --> 04:26:28,855
operations at that site. Over 1500

3522
04:26:29,615 --> 04:26:33,125
marilla. And then it lays out the actual systems,

3523
04:26:34,095 --> 04:26:37,115
power, telecommunications, radio systems, cybersecurity,

3524
04:26:38,445 --> 04:26:42,285
staffing, physical security, backup facilities, and disaster

3525
04:26:42,765 --> 04:26:45,725
recovery. These are all essential components of a 9 1 1 center.

3526
04:26:47,385 --> 04:26:51,045
and the question is only do you demand we only review properties

3527
04:26:51,605 --> 04:26:55,565
that are equal or better, or are you willing to consider things that are worse?

3528
04:26:57,535 --> 04:27:01,525
if you vote no to this, you're willing to consider things that

3529
04:27:01,725 --> 04:27:05,285
are worse than what we have today. And frankly, some of you have said some pretty outrageous

3530
04:27:05,765 --> 04:27:09,765
things about what happens there. Thank you. Chairman

3531
04:27:09,885 --> 04:27:12,605
west, you recognize four or five minutes. Uh, I just want to

3532
04:27:13,985 --> 04:27:17,845
ask the city attorney on this. Um, the language used in

3533
04:27:18,045 --> 04:27:21,365
the this motion in the last one, uh, is equal or better?

3534
04:27:22,185 --> 04:27:26,035
is that what, that's very subjective. Um, is that

3535
04:27:27,075 --> 04:27:31,075
leaving it up to the interpretation of the council member? Who makes that

3536
04:27:31,965 --> 04:27:35,185
determination when the, when the items are brought back to us or

3537
04:27:36,345 --> 04:27:37,685
what's your understanding of that?

3538
04:27:41,705 --> 04:27:44,505
I believe my understanding is about to be shaped by the city manager.

3539
04:27:45,995 --> 04:27:49,865
first of all, let me say something. As the

3540
04:27:50,025 --> 04:27:53,935
city manager who's responsible for over

3541
04:27:54,465 --> 04:27:58,305
13,000 employees, not just those that are in the 9 1 1 center, the emergency

3542
04:27:58,705 --> 04:28:02,305
operations center, it is my responsibility to make sure that

3543
04:28:02,745 --> 04:28:06,745
whatever I bring back to the city council does not compromise their safety,

3544
04:28:07,515 --> 04:28:11,305
their security technology. None of those things

3545
04:28:11,545 --> 04:28:15,445
would be what I would ever recommend, period. So as

3546
04:28:15,645 --> 04:28:19,485
part of the due diligence and the process that we would undertake, we would

3547
04:28:19,685 --> 04:28:23,045
never start working to negotiate anything

3548
04:28:23,915 --> 04:28:27,805
that would be less than what we have. And I don't want anybody to think that I

3549
04:28:27,925 --> 04:28:31,785
would even be doing my job by

3550
04:28:32,205 --> 04:28:36,105
bringing counsel something that you would have to pick something less. So as

3551
04:28:36,325 --> 04:28:39,965
part of the due diligence as part of this process, we would

3552
04:28:40,345 --> 04:28:44,185
not bring council anything that would create any

3553
04:28:44,405 --> 04:28:48,085
type of a compromise for our employees. That is my priority.

3554
04:28:49,335 --> 04:28:53,035
and I'm not going to subject the city council to that. I just wanna

3555
04:28:53,395 --> 04:28:57,355
say that because I'm hearing it and make, it's making me feel that this body

3556
04:28:57,595 --> 04:29:01,595
believes that I'm gonna bring you something where those things are gonna be compromised.

3557
04:29:02,915 --> 04:29:05,075
I would not be doing my job if that's what I did.

3558
04:29:07,775 --> 04:29:10,755
it won't be council members making the subjective decision

3559
04:29:11,935 --> 04:29:15,475
on whether these facilities are equal or better.

3560
04:29:15,975 --> 04:29:19,895
it will be public safety trained personnel and experts in

3561
04:29:20,115 --> 04:29:22,435
that field, including our own experts in the city. Correct.

3562
04:29:24,545 --> 04:29:28,435
there is defined criteria for what it's required to

3563
04:29:28,805 --> 04:29:32,655
operate an emergency operation center and a 9 1 1 center. And we will

3564
04:29:32,815 --> 04:29:36,695
be using those best practices and those standards that are already set at the

3565
04:29:37,015 --> 04:29:38,175
national level. Thank you.

3566
04:29:43,565 --> 04:29:46,695
it's one minute. You recognize for one minute.

3567
04:29:48,035 --> 04:29:52,005
thank you. You know what's required on a 9 1 1 center and what we have now are

3568
04:29:52,225 --> 04:29:55,685
two completely different things. We have an incredible center.

3569
04:29:56,685 --> 04:30:00,515
we have verifiable, not subjective, um, numbers

3570
04:30:01,105 --> 04:30:04,505
of phone trunks, fiber routes and lines, numbers of

3571
04:30:05,125 --> 04:30:08,965
electrical fields. And I'm saying that all of the measurable criteria

3572
04:30:09,345 --> 04:30:12,825
we have today equal or better because

3573
04:30:13,915 --> 04:30:17,705
I don't think that's what we're gonna see. And I would

3574
04:30:18,025 --> 04:30:21,745
not share what was said in executive session, but I brought this amendment forward

3575
04:30:22,365 --> 04:30:26,345
for a very specific reason. Thank you. Anyone else wanna

3576
04:30:26,625 --> 04:30:30,575
speak on for against the amendment by chairwoman mendelsohn? Seeing none.

3577
04:30:30,885 --> 04:30:34,655
record vote. Madam secretary, please call the roll. Thank you mr. Mayor, when

3578
04:30:34,945 --> 04:30:38,575
I call your name, please state yes. If you in favor? No. If you oppose council

3579
04:30:39,065 --> 04:30:42,985
member west. No. Council member moreno. No. Council member

3580
04:30:43,465 --> 04:30:47,425
gracie? No. Council member ena? Yes. Council member

3581
04:30:47,795 --> 04:30:51,545
basil dua is absent when vote taken. Council member

3582
04:30:52,065 --> 04:30:55,105
blair? No. Council member blackman?

3583
04:30:56,405 --> 04:31:00,015
yes. Council member stewart? No. Council member roth?

3584
04:31:00,565 --> 04:31:04,335
yes. Council member mendelson? Yes. Council

3585
04:31:04,825 --> 04:31:08,325
member willis? No. Council member ridley? Yes.

3586
04:31:10,485 --> 04:31:14,125
deputy mayor pro timm johnson? No. Mayor pro.

3587
04:31:14,675 --> 04:31:18,545
mayor pro timm resendez. Sorry about that. No. Mayor johnson?

3588
04:31:19,605 --> 04:31:22,905
no. With five voting in favor.

3589
04:31:23,775 --> 04:31:27,725
nine opposed? One ab one vote. Taken. The motion fails mr. Mayor. And

3590
04:31:27,945 --> 04:31:31,105
I'm gonna ask the people who are in the gallery to refrain from reacting

3591
04:31:32,285 --> 04:31:35,935
to the proceedings today. It's just we don't do that. Okay.

3592
04:31:36,765 --> 04:31:36,765
thanks.

3593
04:31:47,575 --> 04:31:50,475
the motion failed. Mr. Mayor. Chairman mendelson. For what purpose?

3594
04:31:53,735 --> 04:31:57,505
this is for my final amendment to this motion. Uh, move to

3595
04:31:58,025 --> 04:32:01,865
withhold authorization to move any 9 1 1 operation from this

3596
04:32:02,225 --> 04:32:05,995
building until a new facility is fully functional and tested, staff

3597
04:32:06,365 --> 04:32:10,305
may not move 9 1 1 operation to the backup center while waiting for a new

3598
04:32:10,745 --> 04:32:14,215
facility to be completed. Is there a second? Okay.

3599
04:32:14,855 --> 04:32:18,765
it's been a second. Do you wanna just I do. Five minutes. Um,

3600
04:32:19,145 --> 04:32:23,025
I would encourage my colleagues to go to the backup center. What you'll find

3601
04:32:23,205 --> 04:32:27,065
it is far, far too small for any kind of sustained

3602
04:32:27,545 --> 04:32:31,505
operations. And I mean, in excess of a day. It does not have

3603
04:32:31,725 --> 04:32:35,385
secure parking. It doesn't have sufficient backup. It does,

3604
04:32:35,925 --> 04:32:39,375
it does have security issues. It does have,

3605
04:32:40,725 --> 04:32:44,105
um, an in, in insufficient facility

3606
04:32:45,445 --> 04:32:47,825
in terms of kitchens, bathrooms,

3607
04:32:49,605 --> 04:32:53,585
not to mention dfr and their 24 hour shift. I am

3608
04:32:53,745 --> 04:32:57,085
not really sure what you guys are doing and it seems unbelievably

3609
04:32:57,765 --> 04:33:01,755
reckless to me. I'm very concerned about this outrageous push

3610
04:33:02,305 --> 04:33:05,915
to abandon this building. We'll put our resident's ability to call for emergency

3611
04:33:06,525 --> 04:33:09,875
assistance at their most greatest need.

3612
04:33:10,635 --> 04:33:13,045
this rushed effort is a disaster of our own making.

3613
04:33:19,005 --> 04:33:22,095
that it. Alright, mr. Roth, you recognize for five minutes?

3614
04:33:26,895 --> 04:33:30,485
thank you. I was, I was actually, uh, going to respond to the motion.

3615
04:33:31,365 --> 04:33:35,245
I, I'm, I'm gonna withdraw my, my request. Anyone else wanna speak on for, against the

3616
04:33:35,405 --> 04:33:39,045
amendment by ms. Mendelson? Seeing none, madam secretary, please call the roll.

3617
04:33:40,295 --> 04:33:44,045
thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes. If you're in favor. No. If you oppose

3618
04:33:44,635 --> 04:33:48,515
council member west. No. Council member moreno? No. Council

3619
04:33:49,005 --> 04:33:52,835
member gracie? No. Council member ena? Yes. Council

3620
04:33:53,325 --> 04:33:57,285
member basil doa is absent when vote taken. Council member

3621
04:33:57,765 --> 04:34:01,245
blair? No. Council member blackman? Yes. Council member stewart?

3622
04:34:02,105 --> 04:34:05,665
no. Council member roth? Yes. Council member mendelson? Yes.

3623
04:34:06,275 --> 04:34:10,065
council member willis? No. Council member ridley? Yes. Deputy

3624
04:34:10,495 --> 04:34:14,085
mayor pro timm johnson? No. Mayor pro timm resendez? No.

3625
04:34:14,735 --> 04:34:18,605
mayor johnson? No. No. Thank you.

3626
04:34:19,115 --> 04:34:22,925
with five voting in favor. Nine opposed? One absent. One vote.

3627
04:34:23,165 --> 04:34:27,105
taken. The motion fails. Mr. Mayor, for what purpose? Mr.

3628
04:34:27,425 --> 04:34:31,405
raw? I'd like to make an amendment to the, uh, to the

3629
04:34:31,525 --> 04:34:34,745
motion please. I'd like to, uh, reduce the, uh,

3630
04:34:36,185 --> 04:34:39,445
the, uh, uh, funds available, uh, from $1 million

3631
04:34:40,555 --> 04:34:44,525
down to $250,000. Is there a second? Second.

3632
04:34:45,185 --> 04:34:48,935
so we move in second. Any discussion mr. Raw? Uh, yes. I I think you have five minutes. Thank

3633
04:34:49,285 --> 04:34:53,155
you. Uh, I think that, um, our, our opportunities here

3634
04:34:53,545 --> 04:34:57,045
are going to be very limited, uh, in terms of the practicality

3635
04:34:57,985 --> 04:35:00,965
of, of really considering alternative o opportunities.

3636
04:35:02,405 --> 04:35:06,305
I don't think that, uh, a million dollar authorization for doing due

3637
04:35:06,525 --> 04:35:09,915
diligence at this point in time is, is, uh, appropriate.

3638
04:35:10,725 --> 04:35:14,685
I think that's a lot of money to be spending on, on, uh, reviewing,

3639
04:35:15,425 --> 04:35:19,205
uh, potential sites that really would not practically qualify

3640
04:35:20,025 --> 04:35:23,755
for, for our opportunity. And I would suggest that, uh, these amounts,

3641
04:35:24,585 --> 04:35:28,265
uh, be reduced if, if additional amounts are necessary, uh,

3642
04:35:28,625 --> 04:35:32,335
due to specific, uh, requirements or specific exigencies

3643
04:35:33,475 --> 04:35:37,285
that, uh, that there be a requirement to come back to us for allocation

3644
04:35:37,485 --> 04:35:41,325
of additional funds. Chairwoman mendelson, you recognize for five minutes,

3645
04:35:43,425 --> 04:35:46,165
um, on the motion I support reducing the dollar amount,

3646
04:35:48,785 --> 04:35:52,785
its at some point we have to actually think $750,000 is

3647
04:35:53,005 --> 04:35:56,795
meaningful and stop saying things like it's just a drop in the bucket

3648
04:35:57,055 --> 04:36:00,125
for our $5.2 billion budget. Seven $50,000

3649
04:36:01,115 --> 04:36:01,115
matters.

3650
04:36:05,525 --> 04:36:08,155
would city management or cbre characterize,

3651
04:36:09,975 --> 04:36:12,995
um, the consensus of this group that there may be

3652
04:36:15,035 --> 04:36:18,885
less interest in a broader number of options?

3653
04:36:37,185 --> 04:36:40,815
I think answering that question materially, I negatively impacts

3654
04:36:41,455 --> 04:36:45,305
your negotiation leverage in the market. So I think that should be reserved for executive

3655
04:36:45,705 --> 04:36:49,525
session. Were

3656
04:36:49,815 --> 04:36:53,705
there options considered that are already city owned? Again,

3657
04:36:54,175 --> 04:36:57,995
I feel like that, uh, impacts your negotiation ability. Uh, and

3658
04:36:58,215 --> 04:37:01,995
I think that should be punted to executive session. Mr. Mayor, if

3659
04:37:02,375 --> 04:37:06,355
I could just add the authorization of

3660
04:37:06,575 --> 04:37:10,415
the funds does not mean that we have to

3661
04:37:10,635 --> 04:37:14,435
expend all the funds. This is to allow the room for

3662
04:37:14,675 --> 04:37:18,505
the flexibility that we need during this process. And if those funds

3663
04:37:18,855 --> 04:37:21,415
are not needed, we will not spend those funds.

3664
04:37:23,575 --> 04:37:27,375
respectfully, city manager, I am unaware of a single instance in seven

3665
04:37:27,615 --> 04:37:31,475
years where funds were authorized and every dollar wasn't spent and then some coming

3666
04:37:31,895 --> 04:37:35,615
back for a change order. And mayor, your smile tells me, you know, I'm right.

3667
04:37:36,955 --> 04:37:40,715
so I would never want to over authorize for

3668
04:37:41,125 --> 04:37:45,015
city government and any kind of fiscally prudent

3669
04:37:45,445 --> 04:37:49,205
body would never do so. So I very

3670
04:37:49,495 --> 04:37:53,215
much support your motion. I think we know where it's headed anyhow, but thank

3671
04:37:53,535 --> 04:37:56,915
you for bringing it forward and thank you for considering, um, the

3672
04:37:57,575 --> 04:38:01,455
taxpayers. Anyone else wanna speak on for,

3673
04:38:01,615 --> 04:38:05,495
against mr. Roth's amendment? Seeing none, madam secretary,

3674
04:38:05,835 --> 04:38:09,715
please. Thank you. Mr. Mayor, when I call your name, please state yes. If you're in favor. No.

3675
04:38:09,995 --> 04:38:13,675
if you oppose council member west. No. Council member moreno.

3676
04:38:14,115 --> 04:38:17,235
no. Council member gracie? No. Council member kadena?

3677
04:38:18,515 --> 04:38:22,335
yes. Council member basil is absent and vote taken.

3678
04:38:22,805 --> 04:38:26,475
council member blair. Council member blackman? Yes.

3679
04:38:26,845 --> 04:38:30,725
council member stewart? No. Council member roth? Yes. Council

3680
04:38:31,215 --> 04:38:34,845
member mendelson? Yes. Council member willis? No. Council

3681
04:38:35,415 --> 04:38:38,525
member ridley? Yes. Deputy mayor pro timm johnson?

3682
04:38:39,435 --> 04:38:42,935
no. Mayor pro timm resendez? No. Mayor johnson?

3683
04:38:43,595 --> 04:38:47,555
no. With five voting in favor. Nine opposed? One absent

3684
04:38:47,975 --> 04:38:51,495
vote. Taken. The motion fails mr. Mayor. Okay, we're back on.

3685
04:38:51,995 --> 04:38:53,925
uh, chairwoman mendelson for what purpose?

3686
04:38:56,615 --> 04:38:59,575
I was just getting in line for the main motion. Yeah. Okay then you're first,

3687
04:39:00,915 --> 04:39:04,895
you're recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

3688
04:39:06,035 --> 04:39:09,335
my first question is, is there any anticipated interruption in the emergency

3689
04:39:10,255 --> 04:39:13,825
communication function? No.

3690
04:39:21,235 --> 04:39:24,735
has an independent continuity of operations assessment been conducted?

3691
04:39:28,325 --> 04:39:31,535
that is not something we have before us, but before we would make any recommendations

3692
04:39:32,555 --> 04:39:36,415
on any potential relocation once council authorizes that that

3693
04:39:36,655 --> 04:39:40,495
would be a part of our process as we would do any other emergency operations within

3694
04:39:40,755 --> 04:39:44,335
our city. In considering

3695
04:39:44,775 --> 04:39:48,695
a move of the 9 1 1 center, what would be the cost of new equipment that must be purchased

3696
04:39:49,195 --> 04:39:52,775
for a new center that has not been developed

3697
04:39:53,215 --> 04:39:57,155
at this time? Is

3698
04:39:57,375 --> 04:40:01,135
there a coordination of changes in operating expenses at a new

3699
04:40:01,615 --> 04:40:05,415
facility? I'm sorry, consideration of changes in operating expenses

3700
04:40:05,635 --> 04:40:08,465
at a new facility versus maintaining city hall operations?

3701
04:40:11,485 --> 04:40:15,375
depending on the options that would be a part of the due diligence and what we would bring

3702
04:40:15,575 --> 04:40:19,485
back to council for consideration. How would the various options

3703
04:40:20,395 --> 04:40:24,375
impact the operating expenses versus staying here?

3704
04:40:26,945 --> 04:40:30,915
that is to be determined. That is not the detail that we have. So you can

3705
04:40:31,075 --> 04:40:34,915
make a decision on whether or not if it's a better cause factor to stay or leave,

3706
04:40:35,465 --> 04:40:39,395
that is part of the due diligence and the information that we'll be bringing back to the city

3707
04:40:39,555 --> 04:40:43,235
council. When I look at that question,

3708
04:40:44,015 --> 04:40:48,015
the call takers themselves, the dispatch, the

3709
04:40:48,345 --> 04:40:52,185
supervisors, those are all fixed costs. That

3710
04:40:52,475 --> 04:40:56,395
would change whether you're, that would not change whether you're here or there. The only

3711
04:40:56,555 --> 04:41:00,235
thing that would be added in my opinion, would be all of the facility maintenance

3712
04:41:00,755 --> 04:41:04,695
issues. Suddenly we have an additional pest control, we have an

3713
04:41:04,915 --> 04:41:08,915
additional, um, security issue. Another building that we

3714
04:41:09,075 --> 04:41:12,955
have to, to maintain, which I think we

3715
04:41:13,115 --> 04:41:15,855
would all say we have been unsuccessful at. Um,

3716
04:41:17,575 --> 04:41:20,885
so I'm very interested in understanding that operating expense issue.

3717
04:41:21,815 --> 04:41:25,675
um, the next question I have for you is that once a site has been

3718
04:41:26,115 --> 04:41:28,515
selected, how long would it take to actually move the operations?

3719
04:41:30,415 --> 04:41:33,795
at this time, a site has not been selected. We have not completed the due diligence.

3720
04:41:34,515 --> 04:41:38,345
I cannot provide you with a timeline. It will depend on the actual results

3721
04:41:38,855 --> 04:41:41,115
of the due diligence and the final decision from the council.

3722
04:41:44,765 --> 04:41:48,555
thank you mayor. That's the end of my questions. And I will say at least when you laughed

3723
04:41:48,795 --> 04:41:52,750
at that last item, that might've been the only laugh we've had here so far today. So that was good.

3724
04:41:54,145 --> 04:41:57,565
I'm glad I could help. Um, ms. Kadena, you're recognized for five minutes.

3725
04:41:58,465 --> 04:42:02,335
um, yes. Uh, for clarification, I, I think that we did, or y'all

3726
04:42:02,685 --> 04:42:06,565
mentioned that we, um, saw where employees lived in relation to some

3727
04:42:06,805 --> 04:42:10,565
of these locations and it says city of dallas, uh, will

3728
04:42:11,285 --> 04:42:15,165
mcc staff, other elected officials and other stakeholders also be taking into

3729
04:42:15,445 --> 04:42:19,445
account? 'cause I know when we've had agencies, we've had all of

3730
04:42:19,605 --> 04:42:23,505
those in the big war room that we, uh, where we, you know, brief on

3731
04:42:23,725 --> 04:42:27,565
what's happening. Absolutely. But for the purpose of this item as it relates

3732
04:42:27,985 --> 04:42:31,885
to the staff, that would be subjected to any poten potential relocation item number

3733
04:42:32,225 --> 04:42:35,885
two, that is data that we've already provided and shared and any additional

3734
04:42:36,365 --> 04:42:39,325
data around others that would have to access a 9 1 1

3735
04:42:40,605 --> 04:42:44,565
eoc. That would be part of our overall analysis, including where my staff

3736
04:42:44,915 --> 04:42:48,685
sits and where they live. Because typically those are the individuals that

3737
04:42:48,985 --> 04:42:52,965
are requested to be a part of emergency operations. The emergency operations

3738
04:42:53,485 --> 04:42:57,405
center. In the event that we're activating it, it's typically our executive team,

3739
04:42:57,825 --> 04:43:01,685
our department directors that have to then report. So we will be taking all of that data

3740
04:43:01,955 --> 04:43:05,485
into consideration as a, as a final decision

3741
04:43:06,025 --> 04:43:09,775
is made by the council. But that is not what we have right now. Right now we do have the data based

3742
04:43:10,125 --> 04:43:13,925
on the employees that actually work within those two units. So, so there will

3743
04:43:14,165 --> 04:43:18,045
be taken in consideration, um, mayor and city council and then other elected officials

3744
04:43:18,505 --> 04:43:22,435
as well? Absolutely. But I do want to say what I just said again. Okay.

3745
04:43:23,065 --> 04:43:26,685
in an emergency situation, the individuals that are typically required

3746
04:43:27,665 --> 04:43:31,665
to report to the emergency operations center is typically the

3747
04:43:31,885 --> 04:43:35,845
individuals that are assigned in that department. The executive team and department directors.

3748
04:43:36,005 --> 04:43:40,005
we will also look at where council members are across the city. But the

3749
04:43:40,125 --> 04:43:43,985
primary, the primary individuals who then reported an

3750
04:43:44,205 --> 04:43:48,005
emergency situation are the two departments. The staff as well

3751
04:43:48,245 --> 04:43:51,685
as the executive team and the executive leadership at the departmental level.

3752
04:43:52,585 --> 04:43:56,155
and I get that. I, you know, I ask out of personal experience, we had the tornado that

3753
04:43:56,605 --> 04:44:00,385
happened in, um, northwest dallas had the plan, uh, gas

3754
04:44:00,665 --> 04:44:04,665
outage, the ice storm. And so me as staff had

3755
04:44:04,885 --> 04:44:08,605
to travel quite a bit in, in order to get information so that I could get it to my residence.

3756
04:44:09,005 --> 04:44:10,765
and so that's why I asked. Thank you

3757
04:44:13,895 --> 04:44:17,295
chairman. Ridley, you recognize for five minutes question for the city attorney.

3758
04:44:20,085 --> 04:44:23,725
this item will not provide any authorization

3759
04:44:24,715 --> 04:44:28,435
to the city, uh, manager to enter into any

3760
04:44:28,935 --> 04:44:32,705
binding terms committing the city to any specific deals,

3761
04:44:33,915 --> 04:44:37,675
as with item one. Is that correct? This is identical to item one.

3762
04:44:39,275 --> 04:44:42,285
I'm sorry. Yes sir. This is identical to the first item

3763
04:44:44,855 --> 04:44:48,585
question for the city manager. Is it your intention to bring

3764
04:44:49,385 --> 04:44:53,205
the due diligence results and reports back to city council

3765
04:44:53,905 --> 04:44:57,645
for all of the up to four locations

3766
04:44:58,675 --> 04:45:02,645
that are going to be the subject of due diligence as opposed

3767
04:45:03,065 --> 04:45:06,815
to screening those and only bringing us selected items?

3768
04:45:09,065 --> 04:45:12,975
we'll be responsible for bringing you the results of the due diligence process and at that

3769
04:45:13,135 --> 04:45:17,055
time there will probably be where we'll be making a recommendation. But again, that'll

3770
04:45:17,455 --> 04:45:21,335
be subject to council guidance and any type of other input and a final

3771
04:45:21,975 --> 04:45:25,695
decision. But our jobs are to bring you back the results of that due diligence

3772
04:45:26,095 --> 04:45:28,895
process on all of the locations that were studied.

3773
04:45:31,925 --> 04:45:35,905
yes. Thank you chairman menison, you

3774
04:45:36,225 --> 04:45:40,155
recognize for three minutes on the

3775
04:45:40,275 --> 04:45:42,975
underlying motion? Yep. I gotcha. Um, so

3776
04:45:44,985 --> 04:45:47,755
with this item previously we were told that transportation

3777
04:45:49,335 --> 04:45:52,355
may be moved. Has that been, um, reconsidered?

3778
04:45:55,225 --> 04:45:59,155
that question was raised in one of the closed sessions. I don't think it was last week, but

3779
04:45:59,375 --> 04:46:03,315
one before. And we answered the question that after going into further analysis, we

3780
04:46:03,755 --> 04:46:07,735
determined that it's at this point those would be the two units that we would be looking to

3781
04:46:07,955 --> 04:46:11,955
relocate at this time. I'm sorry, so what

3782
04:46:12,235 --> 04:46:13,515
are the two units you're looking to relocate?

3783
04:46:16,405 --> 04:46:20,255
this item is for the nine one one call center and the emergency

3784
04:46:20,725 --> 04:46:24,645
operation center. These are the two departments and this time that

3785
04:46:24,935 --> 04:46:26,755
are included in agenda item number two.

3786
04:46:28,955 --> 04:46:32,695
can you speak to the 3 1 1, which has also previously been spoken about?

3787
04:46:33,635 --> 04:46:35,705
that's not in the item that is before the council today,

3788
04:46:40,635 --> 04:46:44,535
but as okay. I, I think you

3789
04:46:44,695 --> 04:46:48,695
know, all I'm saying councilwoman is that 3 1 1 is not a part of this item that is

3790
04:46:48,855 --> 04:46:52,615
before the council today. This item is stated for the emergency operations

3791
04:46:53,215 --> 04:46:56,895
center and 9 1 1 3 1 1 is not included in this item.

3792
04:46:59,845 --> 04:47:03,695
will you be evaluating any of these properties with consideration that you may

3793
04:47:03,895 --> 04:47:06,225
wish to move 3 1 1 in transportation there?

3794
04:47:08,295 --> 04:47:11,735
dependent on the size, the scope as it relates to the square footage and the needs.

3795
04:47:12,315 --> 04:47:16,155
mr. Janssen has talked about the test fitting process that we have to go through. We

3796
04:47:16,375 --> 04:47:19,925
can determine at that time if there is an ability to do that. I've, I've

3797
04:47:20,695 --> 04:47:24,215
answered questions before about the way we're looking at 3 1 1 going forward.

3798
04:47:25,035 --> 04:47:28,835
and I think at this time we have to continue the analysis of what's next as

3799
04:47:29,055 --> 04:47:33,055
it relates to those other two functions. But this item today is for the emergency operation

3800
04:47:33,535 --> 04:47:34,855
center and the nine one one call center.

3801
04:47:40,465 --> 04:47:43,825
I, I'm not really sure what to say because I think that when

3802
04:47:44,475 --> 04:47:48,385
evaluating a building, knowing what else you're gonna put in it is

3803
04:47:48,605 --> 04:47:52,605
important. Especially, I mean, and I,

3804
04:47:52,845 --> 04:47:56,705
I just have to stop the question at that or that statement. And

3805
04:47:58,635 --> 04:48:02,605
some of the things I'm asking obviously have been discussed in executive session,

3806
04:48:03,105 --> 04:48:07,005
but the public deserves to know and I

3807
04:48:07,125 --> 04:48:11,065
don't think it's outrageous to follow up on

3808
04:48:11,285 --> 04:48:15,135
something that has publicly been stated before about transportation. 3 1 1.

3809
04:48:15,935 --> 04:48:19,815
thank you ms. Blackman. Recognize for five minutes.

3810
04:48:20,725 --> 04:48:24,615
okay. So on march 4th, the motion did have 3 1 1

3811
04:48:25,295 --> 04:48:28,895
in it and we've talked about that march 4th last week.

3812
04:48:29,515 --> 04:48:32,885
so I'm just curious, it is dropped off 'cause it says explore

3813
04:48:33,695 --> 04:48:37,415
relocation options for 3 1 1 9 1 1 and emergency operations

3814
04:48:38,475 --> 04:48:42,375
to new government center locations. Yes. And the only thing

3815
04:48:42,495 --> 04:48:46,335
that I was referencing, councilwoman blackman in the question from councilwoman middleston

3816
04:48:46,915 --> 04:48:50,815
is that I answered questions previously about what we were looking at for 3 1 1

3817
04:48:51,495 --> 04:48:54,975
going forward. We've talked about currently the operations of the 3 1 1

3818
04:48:55,835 --> 04:48:59,655
um, component and the number of individuals that are already working remotely.

3819
04:49:00,035 --> 04:49:03,965
and that we were gonna be looking at that model going forward as we go into the budget. Okay.

3820
04:49:04,255 --> 04:49:08,075
so those are my only that, that's my answer. So, but they're not in, they're not in and

3821
04:49:08,295 --> 04:49:12,095
theyre not okay in this item today. 3 1 1 is not

3822
04:49:12,495 --> 04:49:16,215
embedded into this due diligence 'cause this, this resolution has been

3823
04:49:16,525 --> 04:49:20,215
addressed before and I just wanna make sure exactly. Okay. And we, not that

3824
04:49:20,575 --> 04:49:24,415
we will not continue to look at the needs for 3 1 1, but we're

3825
04:49:24,735 --> 04:49:28,575
looking at a model now that might allow for us to have some additional budget savings

3826
04:49:29,075 --> 04:49:32,955
and where that staff is actually located. I'd like to finish working through the budget and

3827
04:49:33,175 --> 04:49:36,895
I'll bring back any recommendations about 3 1 1 as part of that process. Okay. So 3 1 1

3828
04:49:37,535 --> 04:49:41,365
is not part of this. Okay. Can we, uh, talk

3829
04:49:41,655 --> 04:49:45,515
about timeline? We talked about the timeline for the other resolution. Are

3830
04:49:45,735 --> 04:49:49,715
we anticipating a 68 week turnaround and it

3831
04:49:49,935 --> 04:49:53,925
will be in the budget or is it gonna be sooner? I'm just trying to understand when

3832
04:49:54,215 --> 04:49:58,095
will be expecting back this information. I think as I stated before that we

3833
04:49:58,255 --> 04:50:02,215
would work through the timeline in consultation with cbre. The goal would

3834
04:50:02,415 --> 04:50:06,375
be to have as much information as we can as we go into presenting the budget

3835
04:50:06,555 --> 04:50:10,015
to the city council. There might be some refinements that we need before the city council

3836
04:50:10,835 --> 04:50:14,575
adopts the budget, but my goal would be to have that back to you before the end of august.

3837
04:50:14,975 --> 04:50:18,775
I just restating what I said earlier. Um, will we have,

3838
04:50:19,215 --> 04:50:22,355
I can't remember last week, but is this part of,

3839
04:50:23,315 --> 04:50:26,255
um, a bond issuance? Are we gonna have to reconfigure bonds?

3840
04:50:28,365 --> 04:50:32,035
last week at the city council briefing that was delivered on the

3841
04:50:32,965 --> 04:50:36,685
pension bond, the current budget repair cost.

3842
04:50:37,235 --> 04:50:41,195
we included several different options. We talked quite extensively in

3843
04:50:41,415 --> 04:50:45,215
that budget presentation last wednesday about how this, these

3844
04:50:45,565 --> 04:50:49,445
two components could be built into an overall public safety, uh, bond program.

3845
04:50:49,905 --> 04:50:53,885
we gave you a number. We talked about what would be considered the other,

3846
04:50:54,425 --> 04:50:57,765
the other needs that we have right now as it relates to public safety.

3847
04:50:58,545 --> 04:51:02,385
and all of that will come back as well in august for council to have further, um,

3848
04:51:02,615 --> 04:51:06,485
discussion. I do believe that we're planning for an item on the june 24th

3849
04:51:07,465 --> 04:51:11,125
agenda for counsel to give me authorization to start working on that.

3850
04:51:11,505 --> 04:51:15,425
but you've not a proven a bond program at this time. Okay. But we did brief that last week. But,

3851
04:51:15,645 --> 04:51:19,645
but this the but any money that could be utilized for this may come

3852
04:51:19,845 --> 04:51:23,525
from those that pod of funds, ma'am. And we ma'am, ma'am, and we have until august 12th

3853
04:51:24,225 --> 04:51:28,125
to call that election. I think actually like the 15th, but the 12th is that I

3854
04:51:28,245 --> 04:51:32,225
think, I think the 12th is correct. So that's why last week as we laid out, um,

3855
04:51:32,555 --> 04:51:36,465
that whole component in the, uh, presentation that we delivered, we

3856
04:51:36,685 --> 04:51:40,235
showed the total need that we currently have. It addressed everything from

3857
04:51:40,905 --> 04:51:44,805
the property room. I'm doing all this from the top of my head. The property room where we currently

3858
04:51:45,215 --> 04:51:49,115
store evidence vehicles. We talked about the eoc, we talked about 9 1 1

3859
04:51:49,885 --> 04:51:53,585
center and we gave you an overall number right, right. That we would want counsel to

3860
04:51:54,085 --> 04:51:58,005
consider next week. Um, and I want the cfo to correct me if I'm wrong. We're planning to

3861
04:51:58,165 --> 04:52:01,725
have an item that will give me the approval to go ahead and start working to develop

3862
04:52:02,785 --> 04:52:06,765
the final work around that so we can come back in august and get council's direction

3863
04:52:07,385 --> 04:52:10,365
if you'd like to move to a public safety bond program. And, and it's not posted right now.

3864
04:52:11,435 --> 04:52:14,275
it's not in the, it's not in draft form. The agenda for june 24th,

3865
04:52:15,745 --> 04:52:19,685
uh, the final this item is this item for us to consider. Is it on the agenda in the

3866
04:52:19,805 --> 04:52:23,505
draft form or will it be put on tomorrow? Next wednesday is

3867
04:52:24,085 --> 04:52:27,805
actually the voting day, correct. So when we post the agenda

3868
04:52:28,395 --> 04:52:32,065
tonight, I think we have to post the agenda today should there's a draft agenda now. The,

3869
04:52:32,545 --> 04:52:36,465
the final agenda for june 24th should be posted tonight and

3870
04:52:36,685 --> 04:52:40,525
it should be on the final agenda. Okay. So it's not on the draft agenda. That's that

3871
04:52:40,725 --> 04:52:44,565
I, that we have that's been out that we have, it'll be on the final agenda that's

3872
04:52:44,885 --> 04:52:48,785
posted today. Okay. So I guess it's not on this one , I'm

3873
04:52:49,005 --> 04:52:52,205
just, 'cause I have it right here and I've been reading, I didn't, I didn't see it, that's why I'm asking.

3874
04:52:53,025 --> 04:52:56,965
yes, ma'am. And, and I'm trying to answer the question. The june 24th final agenda, which

3875
04:52:57,245 --> 04:53:01,125
we'll post today should have this item should have that item on it, which will be

3876
04:53:01,265 --> 04:53:04,165
for council to consider next wednesday on june the 24th.

3877
04:53:05,515 --> 04:53:09,245
okay. Thank you chairwoman menlyn, you recognize for one minute.

3878
04:53:11,215 --> 04:53:15,075
thank you. So if the body takes a vote to abandon

3879
04:53:15,745 --> 04:53:19,665
and demolish city hall, but the voters get the bond in

3880
04:53:20,085 --> 04:53:23,945
november and they don't authorize the funds to build out

3881
04:53:24,185 --> 04:53:25,965
the 9 1 1 center, then what happens?

3882
04:53:30,365 --> 04:53:34,245
I don't think I can answer that question at this time. I think that would be based on the further guidance

3883
04:53:34,425 --> 04:53:38,365
and the work that we would have to work, that we would have to work through with the city council

3884
04:53:38,785 --> 04:53:42,765
for what options would be considered. But I can't, I don't have a crystal ball. I

3885
04:53:42,885 --> 04:53:46,725
don't wanna give you a hypothetical answer because that will be, at that point what

3886
04:53:47,165 --> 04:53:50,745
decisions would then be made. Is it the intention to wait for

3887
04:53:51,205 --> 04:53:55,125
a yes no vote on the future of city hall based on the

3888
04:53:55,285 --> 04:53:59,245
bond? That is not

3889
04:53:59,405 --> 04:54:03,355
a question that I could answer right now. We have not gotten even approval to even do what

3890
04:54:03,645 --> 04:54:07,645
the item is before you today at this time. Well, I

3891
04:54:07,765 --> 04:54:11,025
would, um, suppose that given the robust

3892
04:54:11,885 --> 04:54:15,715
feedback we've all heard from our residents against leaving city hall,

3893
04:54:16,005 --> 04:54:19,685
that they may crater a bond issuance for a new 9 1 1

3894
04:54:20,245 --> 04:54:22,885
center specifically to stop this action.

3895
04:54:26,525 --> 04:54:30,505
so I hope that it will be considered and I'll, I'll just

3896
04:54:31,125 --> 04:54:35,005
say to the question for ms. Blackman, I was looking at the

3897
04:54:35,435 --> 04:54:39,195
draft agenda early and didn't see this and prior

3898
04:54:39,745 --> 04:54:43,605
councils specifically limited city managers on adding so

3899
04:54:43,825 --> 04:54:44,865
many items at the last moment.

3900
04:54:51,935 --> 04:54:55,915
was that, was that okay? Anyone else wanna

3901
04:54:56,235 --> 04:55:00,145
speak on for against agenda item two, seeing none

3902
04:55:00,485 --> 04:55:04,435
madam secretary, please call the roll. May motion.

3903
04:55:07,775 --> 04:55:10,675
may motion may motion when I call your name.

3904
04:55:12,095 --> 04:55:16,075
yep, go ahead. This is, this is the underlying motion. Thank you. When I

3905
04:55:16,195 --> 04:55:19,915
call your name, please state please state yes. If you're in favor. No. If you oppose

3906
04:55:20,385 --> 04:55:24,105
council member west. Yes. Council member moreno. Yes. Council

3907
04:55:24,595 --> 04:55:27,935
member gracie? Yes. Council member. Ena, no.

3908
04:55:28,825 --> 04:55:31,995
council member baa is absent when vote taken.

3909
04:55:33,385 --> 04:55:37,075
council member blair? Yes. Council member blackman?

3910
04:55:37,775 --> 04:55:41,775
no. Council member stewart? Yes. Council member roth? No.

3911
04:55:42,145 --> 04:55:45,775
council member mendelson? No. Council member willis? Yes.

3912
04:55:46,225 --> 04:55:50,215
council member ridley? No. Deputy mayor pro

3913
04:55:50,435 --> 04:55:54,435
timm johnson? Yes. Mayor pro. Timm

3914
04:55:54,795 --> 04:55:57,215
resendez? Yes. Mayor johnson? Yes.

3915
04:56:00,025 --> 04:56:03,875
with nine voting in favor. Five opposed? One absent vote taken. The motion passes

3916
04:56:04,375 --> 04:56:08,175
mr. Mayor. Okay, it's two 20 and

3917
04:56:08,395 --> 04:56:12,215
the special call meeting's adjourned and it's two 20 and

3918
04:56:12,435 --> 04:56:16,315
we're gonna switch over to the regular meeting, but we need to switch over the

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webex so we will hold off on calling it

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to order until we're ready to switch over. But we're adjourned on the special call meeting at

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two 20.