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You're watching the meeting of the dallas city council with mayor eric l johnson,
Mayor pro tem jaime resendez,

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deputy mayor pro tem maxie johnson and council members chad west zarin d gracey jessie
Moreno gay donnell willis.

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laura. Cadena. Adam. Bazaldua. Lori blair. Paula.

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blackmon. Cathy stewart. William roth cara mendelsohn.

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paul e ridley. City manager. Kimberly bizor tolbert.

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city secretary billy ray johnson and interim city attorney bert vandenberg.

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all right. Thank you so much, everyone. Good morning. We have a quorum. It's wednesday, june 24th,
2026 times 9:32 a.m..

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and I now call this meeting of the dallas city council to order. This morning,
We have as our invocation,

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speaker, our good friend, great man dallas police chaplain.

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he's also the senior rabbi at temple shalom. He's none other than rabbi andrew paley.

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I'm going to turn it over him for invocation,
And then we'll have our pledge of allegiance. Great. Thank you,

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mr. Mayor. Council members. Good morning. Source of wisdom and compassion.

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god of many names. We gather this morning, mindful of the privilege and responsibility of
Public service as our city council

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meets for the final time before a season of recess and renewal,
We pause to give thanks for those who have accepted the difficult work of leadership.

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we recognize that governing a great city such as ours requires patience amid disagreement.

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courage amid uncertainty and a steadfast commitment to the common good.

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bless these elected leaders, city staff, and all who serve the people of dallas.

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grant them wisdom to discern what is right, humility to listen carefully to voices
Different from their own,

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and integrity. To place the welfare of this city above personal interest or political
Gain.

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we recognize that many of the decisions before this body are not merely about policies,
Budgets,

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buildings, or plans. They are questions, ultimately of stewardship.

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they ask how we honor what previous generations have built,
While preparing wisely for those who will inherit this city after us.

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give these leaders the vision to see beyond immediate pressures and immediate interests.

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help them weigh carefully the choices before them. Mindful that the decisions made in this chamber shape the lives of neighbors they may
Never meet and generations they may

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never know. Remind us that democracy is not the art of getting our own way,
But the discipline of building a future together.

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in a time when disagreement can come too easily,
Become division.

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help us remember that we remain bound to one another by a shared responsibility for the
City and its people.

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as this council prepares for a brief pause in its work,
Grant rest to those who are weary.

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perspective to those carrying heavy burdens and renewed purpose to all who serve.

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may they return refreshed and recommitted to the task of helping dallas flourish.

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may this city be blessed with safety and opportunity,
Justice and compassion, hope and peace.

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amen. If everyone who is able would please rise for our pledge of allegiance,
First to the united states flag and then to the texas flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for
Which it stands.

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one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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honor the texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas. One state under god, one and indivisible.

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thank you very much. You may be seated. Members,
Bear with me for one moment. I have several. I think of you who have announcements this morning or special
Recognitions.

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I don't want to miss anybody, so let's see. First,
I'm going to recognize chairwoman willis.

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is she? Oh, okay. You want to wait? Do you want me to skip you or are you ready?

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okay. All right. We're going to recognize chairwoman willis for an announcement or yeah,
A special recognition or an announcement.

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is that is that an animal? Okay, I'm not sure what our rules say about that. I'm not. Okay. We're just going to assume that's okay. It is. Mayor,
And your children might like this animal.

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okay. This is luna. She's four months old, little kitten.

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and we've got ruby here, and both of them are available for adoption.

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and they're here today because dallas animal services is currently operating well above
Capacity and has been for some time,

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the shelter continues to care for hundreds of animals while responding to new pets
Entering the system.

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each day. More pets are coming in than are going out right now.

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das has 600 animals and 1000 in foster. And of note,
Recent large scale animal cruelty seizures have brought

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additional animals into their care, placing further pressure on shelter capacity and
Resources.

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the fastest way to help right now is through adoption or fostering.

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every adoption and foster placement creates space and resources for another animal in
Need.

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the kitten and puppy here today represent many wonderful animals currently available for
Adoption,

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their pets of all ages and sizes and personalities waiting to find loving homes.

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and I encourage anyone considering a pet to visit and meet the current the animals
Currently available.

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the success of dallas animal services depends on the support of residents,
Volunteers, foster families,

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rescue partners and adopters. Community members can also help by volunteering and
Supporting local rescue efforts and helping reunite lost pets with their owners

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whenever possible. When the community steps up,
More animals can leave the shelter and find homes with a new family.

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if you've been thinking about adopting or fostering or volunteering,
Now is the time. We really need you to take some animals into your home and you can go to be dallas.org.

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that's bedallas.org. And some of you may be waiting to speak on items today.

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so you've got some time to peruse all the wonderful animals that could be available and
Take a new family member home tonight.

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so this is luna, four months old, and we've got ruby also available for adoption and many
More.

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thank you mayor. No problem. Chairman ridley,
You take the cat and miss blair, are you taking the dog?

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any objection? So ordered. Congratulations. All right,
You got you have a cat, mayor.

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you have a dog, may I done solved. Mayor, may I speak on behalf of this?

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sure. Go ahead. My stormy is my first pet. She is the love of my life.

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and I got her from das. I got her when she was six months old.

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she's now seven. She is, she's nurturing, she's loving.

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and one of the things that I recognize is when you bring home a pet from das and they
Realize how much love you give to them,

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they give it right back. So I encourage you as well to go to das and when they're in
Overcapacity mode,

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they're free. Did you hear me? They're free. Did you hear me?

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they are free. Thank you. Mayor. Miss blackmon,
For what purpose?

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oh. Go ahead. I think council needs a support animal,
So maybe we should take that sweet little dog.

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look how calm it is. Anyway, just a little comment. But I did, too, in february. Thank you. Paul.

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I adopted a little pomeranian from das and we named her tank because she runs over
Everybody and she loves being wherever she is,

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and she is such a sweetheart. And thank you all for what you're doing because these pets,
These animals,

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these sweet things, they need our love. So yes,
Take a dog with you today as a parting gift.

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wonderful. Thank you all so much. Paul, go ahead and take your cat.

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no, no, no. Okay. All right. Chairman mendelsohn,
For what purpose?

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well, I would just like to echo sentiments on behalf of murphy and leo.

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270 pound dogs adopted from dallas animal services. Thank you. Nice, nice. And I see chairman, mr.

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mayor. Oh, I would be remiss in not mentioning my two rescue cats from das and ponder who
Looks very much like this one.

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and I don't know, we're warming up to each other here,
So you never know. We might have a third one.

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thank you so much, everyone. All right. So, mr. Mayor. Oh, yeah. Mr.. Bazaldua. Thank you. I wasn't going to chime in,
But I can't let dallas and harlem be unrecognized.

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so we have our two beautiful beagles that we also got. They were roaming around singleton boulevard,
And now they have been great additions to our family and strongly encourage

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anyone to do what you can with the animals of das,
Whether it's adopting or fostering helping us clear the shelter.

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but they will also make a great addition to your family. And I would also second. Council member blackmon.

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I think a support animal would be great. This may be the most animal loving council in the
City's history.

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I'm really proud of all of you guys. That's awesome. All right. Anything else? Chairwoman willis,
Before I go to chairman west for an announcement,

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chairman west recognized for an announcement. Thank you. Mayor. Today I'm excited to celebrate a big win for oak cliff and for our city.

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the common ground soccer plaza. This new $3 million soccer complex in oak cliff brings
Much needed green space to a previously underused dart

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service parking lot, and was funded by nonprofit gateway community soccer and will be
Operated by the puede network.

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while our city's bureaucracy often moves a little bit,
Slowly dart and the city's planning and development team,

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including sam eskander, linda velez and daniel neagoe,
Worked very quickly to get this project permitted and under construction in just a few

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months because of their hard work. This project was able to come to fruition ahead of the
End of fifa.

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I will read the special recognition now and just ask that our dart representatives come
Down along with our city staff members.

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whereas common ground soccer plaza is transforming a long vacant dallas area rapid transit
Parcel in north oak cliff into a vibrant community soccer campus with playing

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fields, gathering spaces, public art and recreational opportunities for residents of all
Ages.

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and whereas, through a collaborative partnership among dart,
The city of dallas community organizations,

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philanthropic supporters, private partners and local leaders,
This once unused property has been reimagined as a lasting community asset in an

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underserved area. And whereas the project demonstrates how innovative public private
Collaboration can expand access to recreation,

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green space, youth programing, and community engagement while advancing a signature north
Texas world cup 2026 legacy project that will strengthen the social and

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economic vitality of oak cliff. And whereas,
The dedication, collaboration and perseverance of all those involved helped bring this

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vision to life on an accelerated timeline, creating a resource that will benefit dallas
Residents for generations to come.

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now, therefore, I, chad west, council member for district one,
Do hereby extend the special recognition to sam eskander,

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daniel. Nico, linda velez, randall. Bryant. Carmen. Garcia. Gary. Slagle. Michelle. Kraus. Patrick.

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kennedy. Maureen. Milligan. Roy. Lopez. Delegate. Kaitlin holland and rita ballard in appreciation of their contributions to the development
Of common ground soccer plaza and their commitment to strengthening the north oak cliff

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community in the city of dallas. I want to thank past dart board chair gary slagle and
Board secretary carmen garcia,

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who are here today, as well as the rest of your colleagues who approved this innovative
Partnership and help see it through.

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thank you very much. Mayor. Can we get a picture?

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absolutely. Thank you so much. Come on inside the rail,
Folks. And I'm right in the center here. So you can just fan out from here and we'll get a nice
Photograph.

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chairman west, was that all for your. All right.

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I'm going to move to miss cadena for an announcement if she's ready. Are you ready? Yes. All right. Go for it. Yes.

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so if jonathan maples and anybody else from elm thicket north park will come down.

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I can hardly hear you. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Sorry. Let me put it a little closer. So I
Want to recognize elm thicket,

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north park and elm thicket is a wonderful community if y'all want to come down.

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that borders district two and district six. And they presented their second historical
Marker a couple of weeks ago

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for juneteenth. And so I wanted to read some information about the hilliard golf course.

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so whereas hilliard memorial golf course served as one of the only golf courses in the
United states open to african americans during the era of racial segregation,

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providing a vital space for recreation, competition and community gathering in dallas.

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and whereas, the course was established in 1950 on land near love field and was named in
Honor of thomas j.

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hilliard, whose efforts helped secure the site and expand opportunities for african
American residents during a time of limited access to public facilities.

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and. Whereas more than 800 people attended the dedication of hilliard memorial golf course
On april 16th,

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1950, including city officials, community leaders,
Members of the dallas negro golf association and visitors from across texas and the

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nation, demonstrating the significance of the facility to the broader community.

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and whereas the course quickly became a destination for golfers and tournaments,
Attracting notable players such as v w ross and ike oliver,

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while also hosting community events, including a juneteenth celebration in 1950.

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and whereas, despite its growing popularity and importance,
The expansion of love field airport ultimately led to the closure and eventual demolition

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of hilliard memorial golf course between 1954 and 1955.

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and whereas, although the course existed for only a few short years,
Its legacy endures as a powerful symbol of perseverance,

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achievement, and opportunity for african americans who face the challenges of segregation
And discrimination.

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and whereas the whereas, the designation of this historical marker ensures that future
Generations will remember and honor the contributions of the golfers,

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community leaders, and residents who made hilliard memorial golf course a landmark of
Black history in dallas.

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and whereas, the city of dallas recognizes the importance of preserving and celebrating
The stories that reflect the resilience,

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determination, and rich cultural heritage of our community.

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if you have a chance, I would definitely recommend that our community go and see the the
Memorial.

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it's at 6700 block of maple avenue. And it's I want to thank definitely elm thicket,
North park and the community members there,

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but also the staff of love field airport who helped get this project across the finish
Line.

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and also council member jesse moreno, who also helped with this as well.

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jonathan, I don't know if you want to say a couple of words,
If that's okay. Go ahead, mr.

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maples. Good morning and thank you. Thank you for recognizing hilliard memorial golf
Course,

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the first golf course for people of color in the southern united states.

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that's a big deal for dallas. I'm not sure how many people really understand how important
That is.

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it was the first in the southern united states,
Right here in dallas, right alongside what we know now is love field airport.

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and with the expansion and the expansion and in the name of economic development,
There went hilliard golf course.

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so as you guys are making your decision about this building,
Remember, hilliard was a piece of history just 75 years ago that none of you probably even

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knew about. What will we be saying about dallas in 75 years?

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so make sure you choose wisely when you're making decisions about history,
Because that history could have been forgotten if not for our city

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manager aviation and the hard work of elm thicket,
North park and our residents and our councilman.

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thank you jesse. Thank you laura, and we appreciate all that you guys do.

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yes. If you want to take a photograph, come on. Inside the rail.

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I think we have one more announcement. Chairman moreno,
You're recognized for an announcement.

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thank you. Mayor. We can have folks from dei come down,
Please.

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I'm proud to recognize the good work of downtown dallas inc today.

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while many know dei as a critical organization,
Keeping our downtown clean and activated,

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it performs other work as well, including work with the homelessness. Recently, a constituent made us aware of a good deed that dei did to support a separated
Family.

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a man named curtis had been staying with his friends in dallas for about a year prior to
May 10th,

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when his family stopped hearing from him. His family,
Who lives in california, was very concerned for his safety but could not locate him.

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curtis mentioned that he had been using substances which contributed to his state of
Homelessness,

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and he had been struggling alone for that time. From california, curtis, his brother russell searched apps like next door to locate his
Brother and heard slightly accurate reports of his

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brother's location here in dallas. Armed with that information,
Russell traveled 20 hours to dallas from california in search of his brother.

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when russell arrived in dallas, he searched and searched. Dallas was a massive city, and russell became overwhelmed trying to find curtis.

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in a last ditch attempt, russell spotted a constituent who was doing animal outreach and
One of the city's parks and the constituent contacted dallas

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animal services, who then contacted dee dee. Dee dee once dee dee dee received the
Information,

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the entire field operations team was updated and eventually security officer grayson found
Curtis and called russell,

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who was already leaving dallas and was eight hours away. Russell immediately turned back around to come to dallas.

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through calm, patient and trauma informed engagement,
Staff were able to safely reconnect him with his brother russell.

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curtis appeared distraught and potentially experiencing mental health challenges.

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russell had the following to say. I want to thank everyone for my whole family and me.

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I'm sorry I didn't pick up the phone, but I was afraid that would have torn a tiny thread
Of trust I had built over the course of the last 20 something hours.

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I was able to share memories and create more threads of trust. It wasn't easy. It took half the day for me to trust that he wouldn't run off.

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I didn't think we would make it down the street,
Let alone back home to california.

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I am truly am forever grateful for all of you. From the bottom of my toes to the top of my spirit.

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I love you all for what you have allowed me to do. Now the real work begins. Every day, dd engages with the homeless population in dallas,
Many of whom are experiencing substance abuse and

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mental health challenges and are not adequately addressed by our existing systems of care.

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when those gaps form, it is organizations like dd that do the work.

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so for dd, swift and caring response to a distraught family seeking their lost son brother
Halfway across the country,

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I commend downtown dallas, inc. And express my appreciation to their president,
Jennifer scripps,

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security officer jason, wendy, antonio and all the d I team who made and make miracles
Happen each and every single day,

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even when no one is watching. Thank you'd d I.

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mayor. Can we do a quick picture? Come on. Inside the rail for a photograph,
Folks.

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okay. I don't see any more announcements. So,
Madam secretary, let's move on to our open microphone speakers.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Good morning. The dallas city council will now hear its first five
Registered speakers.

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I will recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

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any speaker making personal, impertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,
Or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council will be removed from the room

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for those individuals who are in person for those virtual speakers,
You will be removed from the session.

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individuals are given three minutes to speak. For those in-person speakers, you will notice the time on the monitor at the podium when
Your time is up,

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please stop. For those virtual speakers, I will announce when your time has expired.

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also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments

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to mayor johnson. Only your first speaker, william hopkins.

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hey yo, my name is william hopkins. He was talking about the animals and the animal
Shelter in west dallas.

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we had dogs growing up in my mother's yard at 2011,
Lease in west dallas.

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all our dogs died. The last dog we had. My mother took him to the doctor,
And he had cancer.

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he died from cancer. My mother died from cancer. My father died from cancer. I got two brothers,
Died from cancer.

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I got two sisters, died from cancer, and three uncles and three aunties died from cancer
In west dallas.

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so in 2012, the dallas morning news came out and tested.

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they were saying, william, you was talking about lead and people dying in west dallas for
Years and years.

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so where is all this lead at? The dallas morning news came out and knocked on my mother's
Door.

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so I took him around west dallas and they tested for lead. And they told me that they found lead all over west dallas.

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no media said nothing. No. John wiley price didn't say nothing.

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the dallas, the naacp. I couldn't get nobody to say nothing.

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it's been 14 years. People have died. The city sued in 1983,
October.

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I've been giving y'all this, giving y'all this for probably 29 years.

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mr. Johnson, you you already know about it. The city sued and october the 10th,
1983.

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and you wrote a letter to the citizens of west dallas saying that y'all wasn't involved,
That the city wasn't involved,

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and it didn't have nothing to do with the city. You lied. And you've been sitting here for almost 30,
40 years.

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the city sued in 83. People have been dying. Thousands of blacks have died in west dallas.

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where y'all sit here, all y'all? I'm gonna come down

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here 29 years. Mayor johnson trying to help the people that's dying in west dallas.

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I've been saying this over and over and over.

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ron kirk got the american airlines. You got the convention center.

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laura miller built a $500 million bridge going to west dallas.

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but you don't know what to do about the city. I don't know where y'all getting all these millions at for the convention center and the
Dallas american airlines and half $1 billion bridges.

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but you don't know what to do about the city. I think y'all have failed. You let the people die in west dallas for 40 years.

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you sued in 83, and you've been sitting here,
You, ron kirk, leopard all of y'all sitting here letting the people die.

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your mother graduated from pinkston. You've been sitting here. You won't say nothing. I don't know if fred,
Byron and bud and russell, bud, dorothy bud of the fred byron and bud law firm is paying

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you to let the people die in west dallas. That's your time. See you next. Whenever y'all come back. Thank you.

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well. Robert ceccarelli.

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good morning, city hall and mayor. I'm only going to talk about one minute because I
Thought it was going to be on one minute speech.

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district one. District two. District three. District five. District eight. District ten. District 11 and district 13.

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you're voting to get rid of city hall. You don't want city hall to be here.

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75% of the people want city hall to stay here. And everybody listening to me on tv and behind me,
The people in the the people in this district,

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the city council members, they either got to quit or they're going to have to be voted
Out.

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because when you have 75% of the people in the city say something and the city council
Members go against their constituents.

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that's wrong. I don't want to say everything right now in front of everybody.

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you got to come back here every week, every week of these city council members numbers and
Talk about how bad it is,

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what they did. You got to be consistent about this. I was consistent about my homelessness because I came here every week,
County commissioners and city homeless commissioners.

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I did it every time I got my housing with no help,
A little bit of help.

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but when I stayed there and I was consistent and I got it. This is what's going to happen if you do that every week and tell the city council members
You're going against us,

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the constituents are your boss. You don't boss them.

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I know I'm yelling, but that pissed me off when I saw the 75%.

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okay. Now, why is that? I don't know, but I'm just telling the people listening on tv and
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you gotta come down here and bring a crowd every week,
Every week, every week, like I did for a long time to get my housing.

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but I got it and it worked out. It will work. Don't be afraid of these people. They're going against you.

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you are their boss, the constituent. You're their boss. Do it. Show it. I know I'm yelling, but that pissed me off the way you think.

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your boss and your constituents. Thank you. Thank you.

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rich. I'm going to ask that you refrain from clapping and responding to the

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speakers. It's actually not something we do here. Thank you, richard cox.

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thank you, mayor city council, for this opportunity to speak on richard cox from district
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I'm here in opposition to the zoning request at preston royal.

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the development is not about the. The developers are not about the neighborhood.

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they're about the investors. The principles of the project include mitchell rozanski,
Jerry stool,

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leland burke, and mitchell thornburg. This idea is about leland burke openly,
He boasted on

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tv the other day. This is a project about a legacy for me,
My family, and the investors.

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since early october 25th, we've had we've heard over and over again.

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this is a done deal. A slam dunk. They're defrauding you

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saying we're meeting with the neighborhood everybody and getting their input.

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yes, we're meeting, but they're not listening.

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we are not victims of circumstance. We are victims of a process that feels like it's being
Crammed down our throats every time we meet,

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the same idea comes back about sb 840 that they can build whatever they want to build.

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yeah, they say they can build something that is undesirable in your neighborhood.

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if you don't let us build these skyscrapers on this table before you.

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now. Now, over 4000 petition signers have signed this petition against this project,

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and the developers are not listening and others are not listening.

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others are not listening. The preston royal community want something,
Develop something special indeed.

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we have a desirable option that would meet any reasonable investor's financial goals.

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do you have that email? This can be done now with no more delay.

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it's a beautiful option. A real picture of what can be done.

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stunning and compatible with the neighborhood. We urge you to reject this disastrous, out of scale proposal and uphold the current zoning
Laws that we have.

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thank you. Thank you. Rebecca. Theresa. Hello.

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I'm going to speak up here because I'm being joined by a three year old who does not want
To come down.

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I'm sorry, miss teresa. Your video must be. I'm up here.

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my apologies. Excuse me. Thank you. No, I would love to come down,
But my assistants do not want to.

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so. Good morning, mayor johnson and other council members. My name is rebecca torrisi, and I am here to speak about dallas tennis and education
Academy or dtea and the management of the tennis center

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under review and agenda item 60. Along with my husband and our four children,
I reside in north oak cliff in district one.

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despite being a native dallasite, this is the first time I have ever set foot in city
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I do so today because I feel so passionately about this issue and want you to understand
What a jewel of a program we have at keith's tennis center,

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and what a loss it would be to our community and our city to let it go when most people
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they think of country clubs. They think of kids from neighborhoods with manicured lawns,
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and expensive equipment. Traditionally, tennis is a sport where whose many physical,
Social and cognitive benefits are decidedly not available to

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everyone. And yet, that is exactly what dte is all about.

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every child is welcome. Dte welcomes any child free of cost,
Into its entry level program.

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you don't even need to send your child in with a racket. This is how my son and later my daughter started in the program and fell in love with the
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I have seen them grow not only physically, but emotionally and in maturity in their time
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it is a program that is about much more than athletics. In fact, I might argue that it is a character formation program that happens to also help
You with your serve.

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every single player is required to show up, to take responsibility,
To be respectful, and to give back,

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players have to dedicate at least 60 hours a year to community service. Earlier this year, my son even got to be a ball boy at the special olympics.

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every other week, it seems that one of our players is appearing on honor rolls,
Winning spelling bees,

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school and district awards or medals at chess competitions. At first, I was struck by the comparatively high number of these achievements for such a
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but then I realized it was no coincidence. Dtea not only attracts and retains motivated,
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but also has a hand in shaping those players into high caliber students.

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any of these players could tell you what happens if you show up to practice without your
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coach carroll will have you writing. I will not forget my hat 200 times before the next
Practice.

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no exceptions. But if you need help to master your backhand,
She will also spend two hours at practice making sure you get the support you need.

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she'll treat the kids to ice cream after a big tournament. In sum, I hope you agree that it would be a great shame to give a community asset run by a
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profit for profit company so that they can maximize profits at the expense of the voters.

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I respectfully ask you to remove the question of keystone center's management from agenda
Item 60.

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thank you. Thank you george.

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I'm going to ask you not to do that. I know you're going to want to do it,
But I'm going to ask you not to do it. Thank you.

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george de burgers.

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good morning, honorable mayor and members of the council. My name is george burgess and I'm a resident of district 14.

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I'm here to speak personally and as a member of the friends of the dallas public library
On behalf of funding for the dallas public library system.

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in the current political climate and tough budget situation,
I would propose that fully supporting the public library system would

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be both popular and a benefit to the entire city. I have a short message. I have four points I want to make.

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I want to ask the original budget be restored. The $2.6 million originally proposed for the public library system.

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funding to be restored for fiscal years 26, 27 and 28,
2020 728.

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I ask that you direct the city manager of tolbert to restore the original budget.

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proposed original budget funding proposed for the library in the original budget set out,
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last august. I ask that the proceeds from the sale of the skillman southwest library be
Used as part of the funding for the library system for

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this fiscal year, and ask that the council support funding adequate funding for the
Libraries to ensure that we could have the flagship system that's been proposed

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without the closing of the of various neighborhood libraries.

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so that's my argument and that's my presentation. And I thank you for your time and your attention.

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thank you. This concludes the first five registered speakers.

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the remaining speakers will have an opportunity to address the city council at the
Conclusion of its city business.

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mr. Mayor, just looking to see if we had a motion. We do not. So we will move on to our voting agenda.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item one is approval of minutes of the june 10th,
2026 city council meeting.

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I heard a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor,
Say aye. Any opposed?

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the ayes have it. Minutes are adopted. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Before we move to your consent agenda,
You do have two individuals, have two who have signed up to speak on items on your consent

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agenda or other items. Dolores phillips. Miss phillips has signed up to speak on all
Agenda items.

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miss phillips, dolores phillips, you do have handouts.

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I do thank you for allowing me to speak. The handout has everything to do with the viaduct
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city hall. My dad walked these bridges coming to work.

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ut southwestern. Lone star gas company, right downtown.

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I'm asking you to do the right thing to keep the connections to the viaduct.

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no matter what monies it may be, it's more valuable people,
Lives and memories of their travels and their journeys in the city of dallas

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is more important than a building in this building.

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let's talk about the future of city hall. It takes a selfless visionary to go

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forth and give a proposal that no one else sees.

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this building is dilapidated, outdated, and outplayed.

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you heard william hopkins speaking about the lives lost in west dallas.

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there's been a lot of tears in this building. It's been a lot of orchestrated, executed plans in this building.

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and that's against lives that are black, white,
Blue, brown and green poor in the wealthy.

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now listen to what I'm saying, because we're beyond this building.

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dallas mavericks mega center three, 60 theater at 1500.

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marilla. Is the future for dallas. There is no future for dallas

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mavericks in valley view. From the aerial view,
You get exactly what you see.

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the desert. There is no future in collin county for the dallas stars.

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the reason this is important to me is when I come before you and I speak to you about my
Dad fabricated police report dpd that's still

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negatively affecting my life, right? To this very day.

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medical gaslighting, you name it, orchestrated and executed from this very building.

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now, when you hear me, mr. Hopkins, speak as a black person,
It means nothing to you.

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but I'm here to remind you that there are white people in my shoes.

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the contracts that was rendered and violated in this very building.

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you have those white brothers and sisters very angry.

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now, when I say that we are beyond this building,
We are beyond this building.

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I also remind you that we are in the court of law,
And that each one of you are witnesses and will be subpoenaed.

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thank you. Thank you. Bruce richardson. Mr. Richardson has signed up to speak on

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pulled item 49, consent agenda item 76 and individual items 90,
91 and 93.

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mr. Richardson, you may come forward. According to the city council rules of procedure,
You will be given three minutes to speak on all four items.

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good morning. That is a pile of items to speak on.

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so let me just sum it up late. Breaking op ed sites,
Mismanagement and

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lack of transparency. Gosh, when it comes to the city hall questions,
Acts, actions

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speak louder than words. The consultants did not act independently.

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the council rejected pro bono independent expert parallel oversight

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twice. Three speakers in january's transportation committee alleged

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gross mismanagement. This agenda is packed with money thrown

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at mismanagement. Will any actions today speak

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louder than words? If not, there's a word for that.

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that word is hypocrisy. Hypocrisy.

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many, many times throughout this process, we have been told,
Even by the consultants who sat at these

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tables, that there was no scope attached to their work.

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it was a broad, complete replacement plan for all building systems,
And it was up to this

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council to impose a scope on that work. And you tried some of you did.

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some of you did. Yet it was rejected again. Even when you wrote it into a resolution,
We never got an

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independent. Assessment of repairs necessary to stay here

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with economy. We never got it. So let's be clear.

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that's hypocrisy. That is hypocrisy. Thank you.

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this concludes your speakers on your consent agenda. We'll now move to your consent agenda. There are several last minute changes.

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your consent agenda consisted of items two through 77.

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agenda item six was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Agenda item seven was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

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agenda item ten was pulled by council member mendelsohn and council member johnson.

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agenda item 13 was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

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agenda item 14 was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Agenda item 15 was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

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agenda item 16 was pulled by council member mendelsohn and council member.

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I'm sorry, deputy mayor pro tem johnson. Agenda item 18 was pulled by council member
Mendelsohn.

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agenda item 32 was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Agenda item 33 was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

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agenda item 37 was pulled by council member. Mendelsohn.

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agenda item 49 was corrected. Agenda item 54 was pulled by council member west.

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agenda item 57 was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Agenda item 58 was pulled by council member. Mendelsohn.

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agenda item 60 was pulled by deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

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agenda item 61 was pulled by council member ridley.

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agenda item 65 was corrected and was pulled by council member west.

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agenda item 70 was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Therefore, your consent agenda consists of items two through five.

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eight. Nine. 11. 12. 17. 19 through 30. One. 34

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through 36. 38 through 53. 55. 56. 59.

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62. Through 64. 66. Through 69 and 71 through 77.

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this is your consent agenda. Looking for a motion? Alright. Wonderful. Is there any discussion? Chairman west,
You have five minutes on consent.

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thank you. Mayor. I just wanted to highlight a couple of great items for the city in oak
Cliff.

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number five is donation to the library. $2.8 million anonymous donation to the dallas
Public library to to help with system wide

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improvements, including preparing branches for flagship services,
Furniture replacement, and more.

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at a time when dallas is facing serious budget issues. We are lucky to live in a city with such generous philanthropists that want to support us.

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also want to point out item 45 and thank staff for.

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for this item to get a consultant to help with projects connecting halperin park to oak
Cliff.

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this item is is, is really helping us with, with ensuring pedestrian safety for this area
Which is a fantastic park for the

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community. And then lastly item 46 is a traffic study for beckley avenue.

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it approves three different studies. The beckley avenue one is in district one and
District six.

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thank you to director lee for moving this forward in 2024. I set up a task force led by terry lowry to study and make recommendations on improving
Traffic safety along this dangerous corridor,

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which is rapidly changing as new housing has been built. I look forward to seeing the traffic study capitalize on the task force's recommendations
And ultimately seeing this corridor transfer into a safer,

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multimodal corridor instead of the speedway that it is today. Thank you. Miss mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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go ahead. Thank you, mr. Mayor. There are two clarifications on two of your items.

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agenda item 26 is clarifying that the funding source for the $200,000 is the animal
Control enhancement fund,

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not the animal welfare welfare fund in item 44.

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clarifying that the amount being funded by the elm road safe routes to school improvements
Fund should be 1,784,000

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528, instead of $1,784,529.99. Those are your clarifications.

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sorry, mr. Mayor. Everybody got that? Okay. That's just a little clarification.

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miss kennedy recognized for five minutes on consent. Yes,
I want to recognize agenda item number nine.

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I want to thank congressman vc for securing this 1 million federal investment for the city
Of dallas and the west dallas community.

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acceptance of this money will allow the city to move forward with utilizing the federal
Funds for the project.

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these funds will support key improvements, including reconfiguring the south wing to
Improve workspace and service delivery,

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enhancing connectivity and accessibility between the center and the west dallas branch,
And this investment will help ensure the center remains a strong community asset and

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continues delivering essential services to west dallas residents for years to come.

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00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:46,150
thank you, congressman bc. Agenda item 52 is the replacement of fire station 43.

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this was the number two replacement priority in the dallas fire and rescue needs
Assessment and was approved with the 2024 bond program.

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so we'll be moving forward with this item. And then agenda item 25 is the salvation army
Campus project.

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it's a new 21 acre social service campus being developed on vacant land at 8625 north
Stemmons freeway.

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the project is estimated to serve more than 5000 people annually through comprehensive
Co-located services,

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including an emergency shelter, supporting housing,
Case management, health care, job training and child care.

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00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:35,300
the dallas development fund has approved $8 million in nmtc tax credit allocation to
Support the project.

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00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:43,820
nmtc allocation is leveraging nmtc allocation from one other cde for this project.

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between the two cde, approximately 4.4 million of nmtc equity gross will benefit the
Project.

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00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:57,660
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairwoman willis recognized for five minutes on consent.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. One second. Mr. Bazaldua,
You're recognized for five minutes first.

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I didn't see you. Thank you. Mayor. I just want to highlight agenda item number eight.

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I want to highlight that this authorizes the acceptance of $2.5 million community project
Funding grant secured by congresswoman jasmine crockett.

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I want to say a huge thank you to congresswoman crockett for fighting hard to secure these
Funds for the community.

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we're grateful for her continued advocacy on behalf of south dallas. I also want to thank office of government affairs for working tirelessly through the
Application process and to help secure grant funding levels.

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00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:44,780
these funds will help kick start what I hope will be a large scale reimagining of the mlk
Center,

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transforming it into a revitalized space for community programs and services.

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00:54:57,180 --> 00:54:57,180
I also want to highlight number item number 20 for the new market tax credit for fourth
Forward through the dallas development fund.

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the city is supporting this project with an $8 million new market tax credit allocation.

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this investment, alongside an additional cd project,
Will generate approximately $5.6 million in equity to help move the project

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forward, with a total project cost of about $93 million. These tax credits are critical in addressing rising construction costs and ensuring that
The project remains financially viable and done on time.

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I look forward to moving this project forward and celebrating its grand opening in
November.

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also, last but not least at all, I want to highlight items 21 and 23 and give a big kudos
To my colleagues in district three and

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district five. They're extending the exterior improvement grant program to their district.

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I can say that in our district, we have received a lot of interest for our program from
Small businesses,

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not only from within the district, but from across the city,
Who are excited for the opportunities like this to improve their own storefronts.

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00:56:08,530 --> 00:56:08,530
so, kudos to my colleagues for putting more dollars into impacting the people of our city.

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00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:16,770
thank you, mr. Mayor. Now chairwoman willis,
You recognized for five minutes.

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thank you mayor. I wanted to speak on item 19,
Which is the park and rec department pursuing an application for the local parks,

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urban outdoor recreation grant program for $3 million from the texas parks and wildlife
Department.

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00:56:36,850 --> 00:56:36,850
this is to improve fair oaks park, which did get some bond money in 2024 for a small
Sprayground and a small pavilion,

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00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:45,210
but this would allow them to go bigger and add a playground.

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this is an area in vickery meadow with three consecutive arpa qualifying census tracks and
Bronx level density 11,000 children,

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00:56:59,130 --> 00:56:59,130
so I appreciate them bringing this forward because it takes money off of the backs of the
Taxpayer to accomplish this.

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it pursues outside funds, which I appreciate them doing. And I hope that we get this grant and I'll be happy to come back here and celebrate when
We do.

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thank you. Chairman gracey recognized for five minutes.

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00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,440
thank you, mr. Mayor. I want to thank city staff economic development for,
As my colleague mentioned,

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item number 21 is a exterior grant improvement program for retail properties.

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and as we said, we had some dollars. So we have a $1.2 million grant that we'll be putting
Back into the community for retail properties to improve makes exterior

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00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:41,840
improvements. We know in district three that it is a beautiful place to live.

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00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,120
again, the outdoor destination of the city of dallas,
If you haven't heard. But now we want to make our shopping centers more attractive as well and encourage more
People to come out and do their hiking and biking to create a safe and beautiful place for

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00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:58,800
them. So thank you to the city staff. And if you are in district three and you are have a
Retail space please reach out.

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:06,560
this grant will be open soon. Thank you, chairwoman stewart,
You're recognized for five minutes.

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00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,040
thank you, mayor johnson. I want to thank the or add my thanks,
Actually, to the anonymous donor who made the donation for libraries for

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:25,000
libraries, programing and services. I believe libraries are the lifeblood of the city.

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:30,400
it is definitely how my residents connect with the city is the time and the services that
They get from the library,

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00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:38,640
so I'm very grateful to that donor. I also want to add my thanks with councilmember willis
To parks for finding the funds for fair oaks

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00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:48,520
park. Fair oaks park is our neighbor, and I didn't know there were 11,000 children.

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00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:53,440
I knew we had a lot. So good to know. It's as many as it is,
And I'm very grateful that we will have additional resources and assets for them in that

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00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:01,840
park. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mrs blackmon recognized for five minutes.

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00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:06,640
thank you. I too want to thank the anonymous donor for the library donation.

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we had a library close in district nine not too long ago,
And so please know that whoever you are out there,

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it is much appreciated because when you close a library,
As I've said, you rip the soul out of that community.

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00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,160
so many thanks and you are honored and cherished. Also to on item number 42, I want to highlight that this acceptance of a grant from the
U.s.

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department of transportation to support the planning,
Design, and construction of a pedestrian safety zones along our ferguson road corridor

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that I share with adam bazaldua and jesse moreno. It is part of achieving vision zero, and we have remained focused on improving safety
Along our most hazardous and crash prone roadways.

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00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:53,000
and this is ferguson road too. Because of the commitment,
We have successfully secured a federal grant to support safety improvements along this

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corridor. I want to thank the transportation department and public works and our part and
Our partners at dart,

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who were here earlier today for helping work and securing this grant.

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01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:11,510
and again, thank you, mr. Moreno and bazaldua,
For your continued partnership and commitment for creating a safer ferguson road for

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01:00:19,550 --> 01:00:19,550
everyone. It is a long stretch of city road that is important to the east far east dallas
Community.

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01:00:25,950 --> 01:00:29,790
and that includes not just cars, but pedestrians and bicycles. So I want to thank everybody for working to make this happen.

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01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:32,950
that's it, mr. Mayor. Mr. Roth, you recognized for five minutes.

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01:00:39,790 --> 01:00:39,790
thank you. I wanted to highlight item 17 and thank publicly coca-cola bottling company the
Fifa world cup

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01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:51,150
organizers and their foundation, dallas county and richardson independent school district
For facilitating the improvements to a

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very much needed area in my district. Esperanza for the installation of a supportive new
Soccer

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pitch for that facility and for that community.

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01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:15,230
and appreciate all their diligence, their money,
Their activity, and their assumption of of responsibility in helping us develop a great

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01:01:24,350 --> 01:01:27,710
amenity for the neighborhood that we're serving there. Thank you. Miss blair, you recognized for five minutes.

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01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:31,830
I know we're adding on to our time today, but I and item number 42,
I can't not recognize that this

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grant that everyone else has spoken of will take care of our district three and district
Eight camp wisdom corridor and the saint augustine

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01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:50,990
corridor that I share with district five that these corridors have been lacking in
Attention for some

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time. This grant will better the commute, better the opportunities for our communities to
Have safe routes to and from.

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01:02:09,140 --> 01:02:09,140
thank you, mr. Mayor. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on,
For or against the consent agenda?

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01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:18,020
seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it. And consent agenda is adopted,
Madam secretary.

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01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:21,100
thank you, mr. Mayor. Before we go to your pulled items,
I will move to agenda item 88.

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agenda item 88. Authorize one. Designating approximately 4.43 acres of property currently
Addressed as

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01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:39,620
1445 ross avenue as city of dallas neighborhood empowerment zone number 24 any z.

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01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:46,860
number 24 and approximately 2.26 acres of property currently addressed as 2401 mckinney
Avenue,

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01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:56,420
2421. Mckinney avenue, 2425 mckinney avenue,
2507 fairmont street and

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01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:05,460
2515 fairmont street as city of dallas neighborhood empowerment zone number 25 any z.

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01:03:11,700 --> 01:03:11,700
number 25. Pursuant to chapter 378 of the texas local government code to promote an
Increase in economic development in the zone,

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establish boundaries for the zone, and provide for an effective date for the zone two.

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01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:26,580
an economic development incentive agreement with morgan stanley services group,
Inc., or an affiliate thereof.

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01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:34,500
morgan stanley or grantee bpp owner to include a a business personal property bpp tax
Abatement for a period of

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01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:44,420
five years in an amount equal to the city's taxes assessed on 90% of the taxable value of
The business personal property

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01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:57,490
resulting from morgan stanley's phase one project. Be a business personal property tax abatement for a period of ten years in an amount equal
To the city taxes assessed on 90% of the taxable value

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01:04:07,410 --> 01:04:07,410
of the business. Personal property resulting from the morgan stanley phase.

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01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:11,810
morgan stanley's phase two project. See a chapter 380.

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01:04:15,850 --> 01:04:15,850
economic development grant in an amount not to exceed $18,500,000,
Consisting of one.

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01:04:24,290 --> 01:04:24,290
an amount not to exceed $10 million for job relocation and or creation to an amount not to
Exceed $7,500,000

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01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:34,130
in lieu of a real property tax abatement, and three an amount not to exceed $1 million to
Reimburse actual permitting inspections and

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01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:44,130
development fees. In consideration of the job relocation,
Creation and investment associated with morgan stanley's establishment and

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01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:53,930
operation of a new temporary regional office at 1445 ross avenue in any z number 24.

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01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:02,570
phase one project and a new permanent regional office at 2401 mckinney avenue.

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01:05:09,250 --> 01:05:09,250
2421 mckinney avenue. 2425 mckinney avenue. 2507 fairmont street and 2515 fairmont street
In

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01:05:19,010 --> 01:05:19,010
any z. Number 25 phase two project and three the city's nomination of morgan stanley's
Phase one project for designation as

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01:05:28,890 --> 01:05:28,890
an enterprise zone project and the city's nomination,
I'm sorry, and the city's nomination of morgan stanley's phase two project for designation

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01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:38,450
as a triple jumbo enterprise zone project under the texas enterprise zone act,
As amended by the office of the governor economic development and

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01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:47,970
tourism division through the texas economic development bank in accordance with the city's
Economic development incentive policy,

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01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,800
not to exceed $18,500,000. This is your item,
Mr. Mayor. Chairman recognized for a motion. Thank you.

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01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:02,560
mayor. Motion for approval. Second, it's been moved and seconded.

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:06,760
you have five minutes for discussion. Yes, mayor. I am proud to make this motion approving
This item.

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01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:12,440
as chair of the economic development committee,
I have seen the hard work dallas has done to support our business community across the

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01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:19,160
city, from the neighborhoods that have that small city charm,
To the world class amenities offered in the heart of the bustling downtown dallas.

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01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:27,400
our city has everything that a company needs to thrive and for its employees to build a
Life here.

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01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:33,560
that project isn't just about the city, what the city can do for the incumbent companies
Like morgan stanley.

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:39,400
it's also about the community benefit, such as a company coming to dallas.

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01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:44,640
this item can create a minimum of 3800 jobs in dallas by 2035,
With the possibility of creating an additional thousand jobs by

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:53,640
2039. With the average annual wage of 128,000.

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01:06:59,360 --> 01:06:59,360
our team has done excellent work to get this to this point,
Leveraging the state of texas enterprise fund award for nomination of the texas enterprise

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01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:07,520
zone designation. Additionally, our city incentives include our economic development grant
And the economic development job grant with

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01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:17,240
potentials for additional grant opportunities. Those tools create an unparalleled
Incentives that create favorable conditions that will support our dallas communities

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:26,600
through job creation and significant economic investment in our city of dallas.

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01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:31,760
job creation conditions would include 25% of hires being filled by residents that live in
The city of dallas currently,

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:39,520
with a plan to achieve 40% employment of the city of dallas residents.

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01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:43,800
ultimately. Additionally, morgan stanley has exciting internship opportunities and
Throughout dallas for college

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01:07:53,470 --> 01:07:56,790
students from pools of eligible educational institutions. This is a great opportunity that would not exist otherwise for our students and our
Communities.

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01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:03,270
this is not an item we should reject. Dallas is a world class hub for enterprise,
And we are uniquely situated to be home for the morgan stanley

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01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:13,350
that cannot be found elsewhere. And at a time that is changing at the dallas core.

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01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:19,590
this is a historic investment in our convention center and the approaches that we're
Taking to securing a clean and safe downtown.

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01:08:27,070 --> 01:08:27,070
now is the time to lead in economic development and secure future for our children and our
Workforce.

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01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:36,190
I hope our colleagues can all support this item before us today. Thank you. Mayor. Mr. Bazaldua recognized for five minutes.

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01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:41,590
thank you mayor. I would like to start by saying my appreciation for staff's work on a
Very competitive package

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01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:51,950
that positions dallas to potentially secure a global financial services hub and thousands
Of jobs.

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01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:57,750
I think that this comes at a very critical time with a lot of critical discussion that we
Have on the future of the city,

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01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:05,350
and we have absolutely experienced ebbs and flows of businesses coming and going.

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01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:12,070
but I don't believe that that has varied from market trends across the country.

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01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:16,950
we are still in business and we are still competing with the other cities in the country.

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01:09:22,150 --> 01:09:22,150
and I want to thank you, mayor, for prioritizing bringing financial institutes to the city
Of dallas and creating y'all street.

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01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:30,990
I do support the overall goal of attracting large scale private investment and long term
Job creation to the city of dallas.

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01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:39,030
however, I do want to emphasize that the success of a project like this should not only be
Measured by job numbers,

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but by who in our city is able to access those jobs.

532
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:50,980
I would like to see in the future a stronger and more intentional focus on local hiring
Expectations,

533
01:09:57,900 --> 01:09:57,900
and ensuring that dallas residents are positioned to benefit from these opportunities,
Especially given the scale of up to 4800 jobs in this particular project.

534
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:07,740
while I recognize incentives are an important tool for economic development,
I also believe that we need to be equally intentional about what it means to truly invest

535
01:10:16,580 --> 01:10:16,580
in people, not just projects and not just corporations.

536
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:21,660
I will be supporting this item, but I would be remiss if I did not emphasize the
Importance of ongoing accountability for ensuring dallas residents are meaningfully

537
01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:30,860
included in the benefits of this investment and others like it.

538
01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:35,260
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairwoman willis recognized for five minutes.

539
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:40,220
thank you, mayor. And I just want to be sure that morgan stanley knows that we want you to
Be part of the dynamic,

540
01:10:45,860 --> 01:10:45,860
growing portfolio of big names like yours that are making a home in dallas,
Goldman sachs,

541
01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:52,820
nasdaq, texas scotiabank, and then new big names like the texas stock exchange.

542
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:02,300
so you'll fit right in here. You'll be welcomed by our community. This is the place to be. North texas has 380,000 finance professionals,
And living in dallas proper is an amazing experience.

543
01:11:11,780 --> 01:11:11,780
whether it is the vibrant urban life or quiet single family neighborhoods.

544
01:11:18,420 --> 01:11:21,420
we would welcome you and you'll fit right in. And I also want to point out that texas does have a very favorable tax situation.

545
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:26,500
so don't forget that either. Thank you. Chairwoman stewart you recognized for five
Minutes.

546
01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:33,700
thank you, mayor johnson. The news that morgan stanley is seriously considering a location
In the dallas urban core is an encouraging sign of the

547
01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:46,810
continued strength and the momentum of our city. Attracting a global financial services firm of this caliber will bring high quality jobs,
Expand our tax base,

548
01:11:54,010 --> 01:11:54,010
support downtown and uptown businesses, and reinforce dallas's position as a leading
Economic center.

549
01:12:01,050 --> 01:12:01,050
while there is still work to be done, we are grateful that morgan stanley is looking at
Dallas,

550
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:06,410
and this is exactly the type of opportunity that demonstrates the long term value of
Creating a strong,

551
01:12:12,890 --> 01:12:12,890
competitive urban core in dallas. I also want to tell you,
We have great neighborhoods and we have great people.

552
01:12:20,090 --> 01:12:20,090
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairman gracey recognized for five minutes.

553
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:24,570
speaking of great people and great neighborhoods,
I'm going to come back to that in a second. But first, I want to congratulate the mayor

554
01:12:30,810 --> 01:12:30,810
and all of city staff on their efforts to continue making these type of efforts to bring
These type of organizations and companies to the city of dallas.

555
01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:40,330
I know once was said that there are certain cities out in the north that are wolves,
But I see that the city of dallas is out here in these entire

556
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:49,970
united states on the prowl and finding businesses and bringing them here.

557
01:12:54,490 --> 01:12:54,490
so one thank you, mayor, to that vision to to morgan stanley.

558
01:12:58,530 --> 01:12:58,530
welcome to dallas. And two, I want to say this part as far as good people and good
Neighborhoods,

559
01:13:04,770 --> 01:13:04,770
if you didn't hear it, I just said that district three is the outdoor destination of the
City of dallas.

560
01:13:09,930 --> 01:13:09,930
so as you bring those employees here, I welcome an opportunity to take them on a tour of
The district.

561
01:13:15,810 --> 01:13:19,690
and I mean that sincerely. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Deputy mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes. Mr.

562
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:26,010
mayor, I just want to congratulate you and city manager on this vision. Bringing businesses downtown to our to the city of dallas is what we're doing and what
We're trying to do.

563
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:34,770
and this is very it's going to be exciting to our entire city. And I'm like, councilman gracey. Bring him over to district four so they can get a great
Tour of southern dallas and see what we're offering in district four.

564
01:13:41,890 --> 01:13:41,890
so this is awesome and I appreciate your leadership,
Both of you guys. Thank you. Mr.

565
01:13:46,090 --> 01:13:46,090
blair, you recognized for five minutes. I want to echo my southern sector partners in
Bringing you to district eight.

566
01:13:54,490 --> 01:13:54,490
I'm the most southern district within the district,
But I also have uniqueness when it comes down to education.

567
01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:01,770
I have class a high school kathy gilliam, which is right next to a world class

568
01:14:11,010 --> 01:14:11,010
university. Unt dallas. If you need a hbcu experience,
I have that as well in paul quinn.

569
01:14:20,730 --> 01:14:20,730
if you need a junior college, I have a world class junior college in cedar valley college.

570
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:29,570
I also have at rit at the redbird mall. Dallas college that also offers robotics.

571
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:38,320
so whatever you need to educate your kids, come to district eight and I'll show you.

572
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:43,120
we also have right now 500 homes that are getting ready to be built.

573
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:48,200
you get to you get to claim it and name it. So come on out to district eight.

574
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:52,600
we'll give you a tour, we'll show you opportunity,
And we'll show you how to educate your kids.

575
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:56,800
thank you. Is there anyone else like to speak on for against agenda item 88?

576
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,200
seeing none a record vote. Madam secretary. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes, if you're in favor.

577
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:12,320
no. If you oppose council member west. Yes. Council member moreno.

578
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,640
yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member. Cadena. Yes. Council member. Bazaldua. Yes. Council member.

579
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:25,000
blair. Absolutely. Council member. Blackmon. Yes.

580
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,120
council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth yee-haw. Absolutely. Council member. Mendelsohn.

581
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,400
yes. Council member. Willis. Yes. Council member. Ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson absolutely.

582
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:45,880
yes. Mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson yes.

583
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,920
with all 15 members of council voting in favor,
The item passes. Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Next item please. All right.

584
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:58,520
your next item against the rules. Your next item is agenda item 90.

585
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:09,200
june item 90 authorized the implementation of the recommendation by the transportation and
Infrastructure committee on may 19th,

586
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:16,280
2026 to raise the height of the kay bailey hutchison convention center,
Dallas back to the original existing height to accommodate the jefferson and

587
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:26,240
houston viaduct travel you do have 88 individuals who have signed up to speak on this
Item.

588
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:36,830
each speaker will be given one minute to speak. I will call speakers and groups. And when I call your name,
I do ask that you come forward and have a seat on these first

589
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:46,630
two rows of the center section. And for virtual speakers,
I do ask that you have your audio and video prepared.

590
01:16:56,670 --> 01:16:56,670
craig davis. Tracy mayer. Chris hinebaugh. Greg white.

591
01:17:03,550 --> 01:17:03,550
laurie. Sprouse. Cynthia. Michaels. Troy. Sims.

592
01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:09,710
laura. Palmer. Phyllis lee. Daniel. Huerta. Kevin.

593
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:18,790
pfeiffer. Brandon. Williams. Craig. Pierre. Durant.

594
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:24,750
elena. Stevens. William joy, bob stimson, tiffany brightman,
Linda vanderford, debbie

595
01:17:34,710 --> 01:17:34,710
solis, and latricia mcwilliams. Craig davis.

596
01:17:44,670 --> 01:17:47,870
mayor johnson. City manager tolbert. Council members. Thank you for allowing me to speak. I'm craig davis,
President and ceo of visit dallas, and I'm here on behalf of the 6000 workers whose

597
01:17:56,990 --> 01:17:56,990
livelihoods depend on what you decide today. Since the convention center closed last july,

598
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:01,830
dallas has lost $92 million in convention lodging and $13.7 million in local taxes,
1.4 million every month.

599
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:10,470
last week, we notified over 40 convention organizers that we cannot accommodate them in
2030,

600
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:15,030
as originally promised. That's nearly $2 billion of spending leaving the city.

601
01:18:20,270 --> 01:18:20,270
here's the irony. As we sit here, fifa is filling our streets,
Our restaurants and our hotels,

602
01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:25,180
and with visitors from around the world. Dallas is shining on the global stage in our
Collective efforts have made that happen.

603
01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:31,100
this is tourism at its best. December 2030 is on the line.

604
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:38,580
our reputation is on the line and visit dallas is ready to sell. I'm simply asking dallas to deliver on time by continuing negotiations and not ceasing
Construction of the convention center.

605
01:18:45,860 --> 01:18:45,860
thank you, thank you. Tracy mayor. Good morning,
Members of the council and mayor.

606
01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:59,740
I'm tracy mayor, executive director for the hotel association of north texas. And we are advocates on behalf of our hoteliers and the people that make them run.

607
01:19:05,540 --> 01:19:05,540
I am here to for those people today, our team members have built a career out of the
Hospitality industry.

608
01:19:14,460 --> 01:19:18,460
they've raised families and they are moving forward. And when the convention center closed, our industry understood what was coming.

609
01:19:22,180 --> 01:19:22,180
we expected loss of business. We expected room night cuts and shift cuts,
And we took that unwillingly because we believed in the plan and we believed in the

610
01:19:31,540 --> 01:19:35,380
timeline. What our workers cannot absorb is more delay. The recommendation before you will set the project back and another year of reduced hours
And uncertainty will have a direct negative impact on our workforce.

611
01:19:44,300 --> 01:19:44,300
these challenges are not small. The struggle is real and deeply felt by the people who
Rely on us for their livelihoods.

612
01:19:51,220 --> 01:19:51,220
we urge you to keep this project moving, and thank you for your time and for your service
To the city.

613
01:19:56,900 --> 01:19:56,900
thank you chris. Good morning, I'm chris hinebaugh.

614
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:04,620
I want to thank all my arts colleagues here in the chamber and up in the flag room.

615
01:20:08,860 --> 01:20:08,860
we are asking you to vote no on 90. It will have a negative impact on arts funding.

616
01:20:14,740 --> 01:20:14,740
right now, hotel occupancy tax funds, 45% of arts funding and 55% is from the general
Fund,

617
01:20:21,490 --> 01:20:21,490
which we know is extremely stressed. Our hope was when the convention center reopened,
The boost and hot would reduce pressure on the general fund.

618
01:20:30,650 --> 01:20:30,650
this pushes us out for at least a year. The convention center is an economic engine.

619
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:35,930
if we didn't know this already, we do now. The drop in sales tax revenue aligns with the
Drop in conventions.

620
01:20:42,810 --> 01:20:46,530
we don't have all those cheerleaders and their moms shopping in our stores. Another year of that means a continued hit to the general fund,
Which impacts arts, parks,

621
01:20:51,570 --> 01:20:51,570
potholes, and more. We appreciate the concerns of oak cliff residents and believe that the
Current road solutions need more work,

622
01:20:59,610 --> 01:20:59,610
but we believe we can get there without stopping this project.

623
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:07,450
this makes no sense. Vote no on 90. Thank you. Greg white. Good. Good morning, mayor and city council.

624
01:21:11,610 --> 01:21:11,610
my name is greg white and I am the chair of the dallas tourism public improvement district
And also the general manager of the beautiful westin galleria in dallas,

625
01:21:20,650 --> 01:21:23,650
located in district 11 at 1303 40 dallas parkway. I'm here to respectfully urge you to vote no on on item 90.

626
01:21:28,890 --> 01:21:31,450
dallas is already paying the price of the delay. 3000 jobs lost in over 1.4 million in tax revenue lost every month while the convention
Center remains closed.

627
01:21:38,850 --> 01:21:38,850
a redesign would push this project further beyond 2030,
And with no clear timeline, and every month of delay only increases the damages.

628
01:21:46,290 --> 01:21:46,290
we're not only losing business, dozens of conventions have been relocated and or are at
Risk,

629
01:21:52,570 --> 01:21:52,570
and the revenue is going to other cities. But beyond the financial loss is something even
More damaging.

630
01:21:58,690 --> 01:22:01,850
and that's the loss of trust in the convention industry. Credibility is everything. And now that we're considering spending nearly 600 million more
To delay the project even further,

631
01:22:08,730 --> 01:22:11,690
there is more cost, less certainty, and more lost business. Thank you. Thank you. Lori sprouse. Good morning,
Mayor and city council members.

632
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:18,960
my name is laurie sprouse, and I'm the owner of ultimate ventures,
A dallas based destination management company serving major dallas convention clients for

633
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:27,000
more than 33 years. I urge you to vote no on agenda item 90.

634
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:31,880
I work directly with clients behind the 4.5 billion in convention pipeline you are hearing
About today.

635
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:37,760
this week I spoke with two major clients convention clients scheduled to return to dallas
After the convention center reopens.

636
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:45,400
one expects approximately 7500 attendees beginning in 2031,
With plans to return for at least three years.

637
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:52,200
another is scheduled to return in 2031, with over 14,000 attendees and plans to return for
Five consecutive years.

638
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:03,080
both reached out after hearing the news because they are anxious. This is not about losing one event or one year,
And this affects businesses, small businesses like mine,

639
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,720
transportation companies, florists, all kinds of workers. I passionately urge you to vote no on agenda item 90.

640
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,880
hold the 2030 convention center date. We can get both done. Thanks. Thank you. Cynthia michaels. I'm speaking for

641
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:28,480
myself as well as heritage oak cliff. You knew when you started this project you were
Going to lose money. You knew you were going to lose conventions, but did you know you

642
01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:39,200
were going to be $400 over budget? The voters didn't agree to that. Staff consultants decided to lower the ballroom,
Cut off the jefferson viaduct in order to save 500 million.

643
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:44,840
I guess everyone thought that was okay except the citizens of oak cliff.

644
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:48,880
over 20,000 cars travel that road daily. It's a great alternate route.

645
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:53,760
has direct route to methodist hospital. Can be used for downtown if it needs to evacuate.

646
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,760
dallas has ignored and abused oak cliff too long. Treat us like you do. The developers, the consultants in north dallas.

647
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:09,240
remember you want to connect the core, not disconnect it. Go back to the original plan. Raise the ballroom.

648
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:11,600
the convention center can be flipped around. You can do whatever you want to. There's a
Lot of options.

649
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:15,910
follow the recommendations of the transportation committee. Thankfully,
They realized that the jefferson viaduct was going to be chopped off and taken away just

650
01:24:23,430 --> 01:24:23,430
in a few weeks. When the committee saw that,
They said the ballroom should be raised like it was originally planned.

651
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:28,310
that's. Thank you. Thank you. Troy sims. Troy sims not

652
01:24:37,790 --> 01:24:37,790
present. Laura palmer. Laura palmer. Sorry. Laura palmer.

653
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:47,750
it's not present. Phyllis lee. Thank you all for this opportunity.

654
01:24:57,390 --> 01:25:00,550
I am phyllis and I do live in the oak cliff area. I am here to remind the council people. That was at the opening of the oak cliff bridge.

655
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:08,510
oak cliff park that was opening and the words that they said,
That bridge and the park was to bring us together from oak cliff

656
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:21,750
to north dallas, because the 35 bridge has split us. Now, as I'm sitting here listening, and if that bridge is allowed to be closed,
That's going to separate us.

657
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:29,110
so I'm here to remind the council persons and the people that were there that stood up
Proudly and said,

658
01:25:36,190 --> 01:25:40,070
we are not cutting the ribbon. We are tying the ribbon. So if you tying the ribbon to bring oak cliff and north dallas together,
Do not divide it by stopping the bridge.

659
01:25:49,190 --> 01:25:49,190
do not close the bridge. Thank you. Daniel.

660
01:25:59,630 --> 01:25:59,630
daniel, we're at the district one. I'm also asking that you support the resolution.

661
01:26:04,110 --> 01:26:04,110
street connections are important for downtown cores because they improve accessibility.

662
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:08,750
it supports walking in transit. It boosts economic activity of more foot traffic.

663
01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:14,260
easier access generally benefits the shops and restaurants and other businesses.

664
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:18,500
it also helps reduce traffic congestion by spreading out traffic,
Enhances safety and vibrancy of the streets,

665
01:26:24,940 --> 01:26:24,940
and promotes community interaction. We do not want jefferson street impacted to where it
Impacts our access into downtown for oak cliff

666
01:26:34,500 --> 01:26:34,500
residents. Thank you. Thank you. Kevin pfeiffer.

667
01:26:51,100 --> 01:26:51,100
good morning mayor. We the people, I encourage you to fully consider the long term
Consequences.

668
01:26:57,260 --> 01:26:57,260
we are literally thousands of oak cliff residents that use these viaducts to get to work
And to return home every day.

669
01:27:04,180 --> 01:27:04,180
additionally, there are city staff members who travel from the dallas municipal center on
Jefferson to travel to and from city hall to meet and

670
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:13,580
strategize in person with our colleagues. The quickest and most direct path between these
Two city entities is the jefferson street viaduct.

671
01:27:21,420 --> 01:27:21,420
please consider implementing phased construction over jefferson street bridge.

672
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:26,140
it can be done. The jefferson. The convention center currently goes over lamar street.

673
01:27:32,300 --> 01:27:35,100
it can easily be built over jefferson street. Look at the relatively minor traffic disruption on I-30 when those bridges were taken
Down.

674
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:43,660
two weekend shutdown and then fully reopened. Slow down. Make a fully coherent plan that saves serves all citizens.

675
01:27:48,740 --> 01:27:48,740
vote yes. Thank you. Brandon. Williams. Craig.

676
01:27:57,940 --> 01:28:01,900
thank you for your time and attention. I'm from district one. I'm supporting item 90. I was born in oak cliff in 1969 to david williams and paula craig.

677
01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:06,780
she was born in oak cliff in 1938. I teach aikido at aikido,
Oak cliff and conflict resolution.

678
01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:13,260
the viaducts connecting oak cliff to dallas are vital to both the economy and the
Community.

679
01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:18,460
coherence of our city. They represent the memory and current vitality of our connection
With each other as neighbors,

680
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:24,620
starting with our historic city hall. The city of dallas must shift from tearing down our
History to profit the few,

681
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:30,780
to restoring our historic structures to preserve our identity and connection with each
Other.

682
01:28:35,620 --> 01:28:39,340
city staff's proposed changes would cause significant delays during construction. Upon completion of the convention center for oak cliff residents to get downtown from
Downtown, residents and workers to get to oak cliff.

683
01:28:45,380 --> 01:28:45,380
if we demolish the structure now, it doesn't matter how much community input there is
Afterwards.

684
01:28:50,460 --> 01:28:54,340
if all the options will make oak cliff downtown connection worse than it is today. We want access. Oak cliff residents want access to downtown.

685
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:58,100
that's your time. Thank you. Thank you. Pierre durant.

686
01:29:13,050 --> 01:29:13,050
hello, my name is pierre durant. I moved to dallas,
Texas in 2012.

687
01:29:18,330 --> 01:29:18,330
I actually just graduated from ohio state university in economics,
And I was hoping to be able to,

688
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:23,810
you know, find work in dallas. And I feel like a lot of the things that we're doing is
Keeping us from me being able to find a job here.

689
01:29:30,930 --> 01:29:30,930
and I think that if we voted no for the issue of 90,
It would make it so that we have to wait another year for the job opportunities that the

690
01:29:38,850 --> 01:29:38,850
convention center will bring us. I think that me personally,
I just think that we've already voted for the sorry.

691
01:29:47,130 --> 01:29:47,130
thank you. Thank you. Elena stephens.

692
01:29:58,570 --> 01:29:58,570
greetings. My name is elena stephens. I have lived in dallas my entire life,
And I've lived in district one for the last 40 something years.

693
01:30:07,570 --> 01:30:07,570
I am I'm asking you to vote yes on item 90 to raise the expanded convention center design
Back to its originally planned height to avoid

694
01:30:17,570 --> 01:30:17,570
disrupting two major historic arteries connecting downtown dallas to the southern part of
The city.

695
01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:25,050
jefferson boulevard and the houston street viaduct.

696
01:30:31,050 --> 01:30:31,050
I know that we can come up with a better plan than we have right now.

697
01:30:35,970 --> 01:30:35,970
there is no reason to disrupt all of the growth south initiatives that I have seen happen
In the last ten,

698
01:30:44,610 --> 01:30:44,610
15 years and have seen such a marvelous expansion of what oak cliff is.

699
01:30:51,530 --> 01:30:51,530
please vote yes. Vote yes on item 90. Thank you,
Thank you.

700
01:30:57,850 --> 01:30:57,850
william joy. Hi. I'm on video. Can you see me?

701
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,640
yes. And we can hear you. You may continue. Great. I'm william joy, I'm the president of the bishop arts neighborhood association.

702
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:08,440
and the reason I'm speaking is because this question really is rhetorical.

703
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:13,000
should the city of dallas spend money to make sure that bishop arts in oak cliff aren't
Cut off from its downtown?

704
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,440
it's honestly laughable when you say it out loud,
But if you want to frame it another way, should a city that just lost its signature downtown retailer,
Its signature downtown employer,

705
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:28,760
and both of its downtown sports teams. While cities across our region spend hundreds of
Millions of dollars to draw people into their downtowns,

706
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:37,360
turn around and make it more difficult for its own residents to reach our core.

707
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,200
so the project be delayed a year, or should communities suffer for decades? Any way you frame this question, it's rhetorical.

708
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:49,560
did the people at this horseshoe exist to serve tourists who pass through a few days a
Year,

709
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:54,560
or the tens of thousands of residents who don't just use that bridge but rely on it every
Single day.

710
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:00,000
if you struggle to answer those questions, you simply don't deserve.

711
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:04,360
thank you, bob stinson.

712
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:19,360
good morning. Council members. Honorable mayor. I've come to speak in favor of item number 90.

713
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:22,720
connectivity, mobility, accessibility are the key for any business or for any community.

714
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:32,720
and in this case, the oak cliff community has been shorted. It's really due an apology. It's been treated as an afterthought.

715
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:36,200
and this whole process. And that is not not appropriate for this for this body to be
Treating one of its major communities in that fashion.

716
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:47,840
so I would encourage you, one, to vote for item number 90. It's important that we still have our connectivity from oak cliff and from downtown to oak
Cliff.

717
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:53,440
if you can't do that, there is still time to get this right.

718
01:32:57,950 --> 01:32:57,950
let's go back to the drawing board. There needs to be at least two lanes coming in from
Oak cliff to downtown at all times.

719
01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:06,150
even during construction, there needs to be at least two lanes coming out of downtown to
Oak cliff at all times,

720
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:11,990
at least during in during construction. That can be done,
But it's going to take somebody with a fresh eye taking a look at this.

721
01:33:19,390 --> 01:33:19,390
and so I would encourage you to, if you cannot vote for item 90.

722
01:33:23,470 --> 01:33:26,670
let's go back and instruct staff to to do this right. Last thing. Okay. Thank you. I'll talk to you later.

723
01:33:30,550 --> 01:33:30,550
you guys got new rules these days. Thank you.

724
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:34,750
tiffany brightman. Hello. I'm tiffany brightman,
A resident

725
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:44,590
of dallas. And I'm just urging everyone to vote no on item number 90 as it will only
Prolong the process.

726
01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:54,510
and also add costs and make it an inconvenience even longer for the residents of the
Surrounding area.

727
01:34:02,190 --> 01:34:02,190
thank you. Thank you. Linda. Vanderford. Vanderford.

728
01:34:08,230 --> 01:34:08,230
linda. Vanderford. Not present. Debbie solis.

729
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:17,750
yes. Can you hear me? Yes. And we can see you. You may continue. The convention center plan is terrible because the plan lacks foresight.

730
01:34:23,150 --> 01:34:23,150
and the design which threatens the oak cliff community and all the people coming from the
Northern part of dallas.

731
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:33,910
the important. It is how we can come to downtown. Stop treating us like. If we do not matter in this process.

732
01:34:38,230 --> 01:34:38,230
who in their right mind would submit such a horrible plan?

733
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:42,510
fire the project manager because he was not concerned about all the thousands of residents
That live in oak cliff and the surrounding

734
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:51,900
neighborhood. This is a bizarre situation and a lack of logic.

735
01:34:57,020 --> 01:34:57,020
thinking is embarrassing. I am saddened by how we have forgotten why the people in the
Horseshoe were voted in.

736
01:35:06,220 --> 01:35:06,220
your loyalty has been seen in all the secret meetings and emails showing some made up
Their mind before going to the community for important changes that would affect all of

737
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:16,220
us that live in dallas. That's your time. Thank you,
Thank you, thank you.

738
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:23,380
latricia mcwilliams. Hello. Thank you for having me.

739
01:35:29,940 --> 01:35:29,940
I'm latricia mcwilliams. We need to vote for a new and bigger,
Better, a new and bigger, better convention center that provides jobs for our city.

740
01:35:38,700 --> 01:35:38,700
I vote no for night. I mean, for item 90. Thank you.

741
01:35:45,540 --> 01:35:45,540
I will now call the next group of speakers. When I call your name,
I do ask that you come forward and have a seat on these first two rows of this

742
01:35:52,420 --> 01:35:52,420
intersection. And that virtual speakers have your audio and video prepared already.

743
01:35:59,220 --> 01:35:59,220
fernando el, tanika ward holly stubbs is canceled.

744
01:36:06,020 --> 01:36:06,020
christopher wilkins, tanya ross, lashawn virden,
Cassandra harris delicia or

745
01:36:15,940 --> 01:36:15,940
delisa hall, crystal. Johnson, desiree. Riley.

746
01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:22,380
chris cook. Amin behbahani. The bahini. Damian.

747
01:36:30,420 --> 01:36:30,420
gray. Autumn. Sims. Dominique. Alexander. Alicia.

748
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:35,700
evans. Land. Mary. Perez. Ellen herek has canceled.

749
01:36:41,620 --> 01:36:41,620
ozone. Casey. Champion. Teresita. Delgado. Alicia.

750
01:36:46,620 --> 01:36:46,620
quinton. Quinton's. Valencia. Yarborough has canceled.

751
01:36:50,810 --> 01:36:50,810
lakisha foster. Landry cannon and landry cannon.

752
01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:56,650
fernando l. Fernando. L is not in the audience.

753
01:37:01,410 --> 01:37:01,410
not online. It's not present. Tanika ward. Yes.

754
01:37:08,610 --> 01:37:08,610
hello, I'm tanika ward and I'm in dallas and I vote no for the 90 item.

755
01:37:16,810 --> 01:37:16,810
thank you. Thank you again. Holly stubbs is council christopher wilkins.

756
01:37:27,050 --> 01:37:27,050
christopher wilkins is not present. Tanya ross.

757
01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:39,010
hello. I'm tanya ross, and I come to tell you that I vote no on item 90.

758
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:44,450
thank you. Thank you, lashawn burden.

759
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:54,890
good morning mayor, city council members and all who is in attendance.

760
01:37:59,250 --> 01:37:59,250
my name is lashawn burden. I am a resident in hacienda ranch community in oak cliff and I
Vote no on item 90.

761
01:38:11,170 --> 01:38:11,170
thank you. Cassandra harris. Cassandra harris not present.

762
01:38:23,010 --> 01:38:23,010
felicia hall or delicia hall. Good morning. I'm alexia hall.

763
01:38:32,050 --> 01:38:32,050
I've been a resident here all my life and I vote no for item 90.

764
01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:37,730
thank you. Crystal johnson. Hello, my name is crystal johnson.

765
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:48,680
I vote no for item 90. Thank you. Thank you. Desiree.

766
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:54,200
riley. Hello. Coming in here today. I see a lot of papers moving,
But not enough

767
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:03,800
listening. We have so much to worry about. Like the draining on the bridge.

768
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:08,400
however, how does every storm come in? Texas is drained out.

769
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:16,120
we all. All our cars sit on the bridge and stuck in the rain. There's so much money that can be spent on other stuff instead of the bridge right now.

770
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,360
we also have potholes that have not been fixed. Last year I spent almost $2,000 on my car getting fixed because of the potholes that are
Not being fixed.

771
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:29,440
they said they was going to get fixed. There's also streets that are cut off because we
Can't go a certain way because so much construction.

772
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:37,440
so I feel like there's so much money that can be spent other ways than actually right now
What we got going on because we've already fixed that before.

773
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:45,360
so I vote no. Thank you. Chris cook. Chris cook is

774
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:55,320
not present. Amine. Amine behbahani is not present.

775
01:40:05,160 --> 01:40:05,160
damien gray. Damien gray is not present. Autumn sims.

776
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:14,200
autumn sims is not present. Dominique alexander.

777
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:32,480
hello. I'm minister dominique alexander, president of the next generation action network.
2512 east overton road,

778
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:38,320
dallas, texas. 75216. Because I only have a minute and I had a whole line of speech that's
Going on.

779
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:49,120
listen, it's imperative that people come to meetings,
Right? Community meetings because y'all are left to vote for critical things,
Right?

780
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:56,120
and these people have meetings so that you can be informed and facts can be there,
Right?

781
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:02,640
there has been public maps shown out that shows all different ports of entries to the
Southern sector.

782
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,520
I'm born and raised in seven five, two, one six. One thing I ain't going to do is disenfranchize the people that I'm born,
Born, and raised with.

783
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:17,920
it's clear that the people who have came before you has not looked at the map,
That the people who are building the construction for the convention center

784
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:27,800
vote based on facts, not political games. Thank you.

785
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:34,320
alicia evans and. Alicia evans. Land is not present.

786
01:41:42,110 --> 01:41:42,110
mary. Paris. Mary paris is not present. Ellen herrick is canceled.

787
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:52,310
ockz champion. Good morning. I am kasie champion.

788
01:42:01,950 --> 01:42:01,950
I am a resident of dallas. All my life. I have been on boards,
Traveled around this country,

789
01:42:11,710 --> 01:42:11,710
and been just amazed at the way and how the cities are drawing and attracting different
Groups,

790
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:22,310
conventions, and conferences. Whenever I would push for dallas,
They would always come back to,

791
01:42:29,790 --> 01:42:29,790
nah, you guys don't have enough entertainment,
You guys don't have a good downtown, or you're not offering us the kinds of things that

792
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:37,790
we're looking for. And I just believe that the plan that we have forward should go
Forward.

793
01:42:44,270 --> 01:42:44,270
we've had a chance to alter those plans for months.

794
01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:48,630
we would spend millions and millions of dollars that we don't need to spend.

795
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:53,590
if we delayed this program any further, it would cost us even more money.

796
01:42:58,710 --> 01:42:58,710
that's. Aren't we broke? That's your time. Aren't we broke?

797
01:43:03,710 --> 01:43:03,710
teresita delgado. Good morning. My name is teresita delgado.

798
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:13,350
born and raised here in dallas, texas. I'm new to oak cliff because I've been in oak cliff
Maybe 12 years,

799
01:43:20,230 --> 01:43:20,230
if that. But I feel segregated from north dallas because of the mere fact we receive
Things

800
01:43:30,030 --> 01:43:33,110
in north dallas that we don't receive in oak cliff. And that is your consideration. I would like for you to vote no.

801
01:43:39,060 --> 01:43:39,060
it's the right thing to do. For once, do the right thing and vote no.

802
01:43:44,020 --> 01:43:44,020
thank you. Thank you. Alicia. Quinton. This is alicia quinton.

803
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:52,260
good morning. Good morning. I'm a resident of oak cliff,
District four.

804
01:43:58,420 --> 01:44:01,260
the bridge is planned after the flood of 1908. And dallas have been a lifeline for our oak cliff and south dallas communities since the
Viaduct has connected to the dallas central business district since

805
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:11,140
1911 and is listed on the national register of historic places.

806
01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:16,460
that's 115 years of use. Jefferson street viaduct was dedicated in 1973 and has been in
Service for 53 years.

807
01:44:26,180 --> 01:44:26,180
it replaced the old trinity streetcar trestle that had been in use since 1887.

808
01:44:32,460 --> 01:44:32,460
a directive to ignore existing contexts and historic connections between oak cliff and
Downtown seems to have been given to the design team.

809
01:44:42,820 --> 01:44:42,820
important connections over the trinity river to downtown should be respected in the design
Process of any development,

810
01:44:52,380 --> 01:44:52,380
and especially a new publicly funded. That's your time.

811
01:44:57,140 --> 01:44:57,140
thank you. Thank you. Lakeisha foster. And valencia yarbrough

812
01:45:07,020 --> 01:45:07,020
has canceled. Hello. Good morning. I am asking that you guys vote no on item 90 because
Dallas residents should not have to sacrifice critical

813
01:45:16,420 --> 01:45:16,420
transportation access and neighborhood connectivity for a convention center expansion.

814
01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:21,420
we need a plan that balances economic development with the needs of people who live and
Work here every day.

815
01:45:28,380 --> 01:45:28,380
a convention center can be rebuilt. Community connections,
Public trust and taxpayer dollars cannot be easily restored once they're gone.

816
01:45:37,570 --> 01:45:37,570
so again, vote no for item 90. Thank you. Landry.

817
01:45:45,450 --> 01:45:45,450
cannon. Landry cannon is not present. I am told that speaker 18 is

818
01:45:55,330 --> 01:45:55,330
now in the chamber. Linda vanderford.

819
01:46:06,770 --> 01:46:06,770
thank you guys. My name is linda vanderford. I'm an oak cliff resident and a small
Business owner in bishop arts.

820
01:46:13,010 --> 01:46:13,010
I understand the importance of a successful convention center,
But I think it's important to remember that the infrastructure was built to serve the

821
01:46:20,770 --> 01:46:24,170
jefferson viaduct. Wasn't wasn't built to serve a convention center. It was built for oak cliff. For generations. It's been a direct link between where
Residents live,

822
01:46:29,610 --> 01:46:29,610
work, shop and hang out. The convention center serves visitors.

823
01:46:33,810 --> 01:46:33,810
the viaduct serves the residents. As somebody that depends on that connection,
Both personally and professionally,

824
01:46:40,730 --> 01:46:40,730
I'm concerned we're being asked to treat that as expendable.

825
01:46:46,650 --> 01:46:46,650
just to accommodate a project that people that are just going to be here for a couple of
Days.

826
01:46:51,090 --> 01:46:51,090
I have no doubt the convention center can generate revenue and attract visitors,
But a city is more than a convention center.

827
01:46:56,570 --> 01:46:59,370
a city is its neighborhoods. It's small businesses. It's the people who live here every day. If we're willing to weaken a historic connection
That thousands of residents rely on in order to make a project work,

828
01:47:06,770 --> 01:47:06,770
that's your time. Okay. Thank you. I will now call the next group of speakers.

829
01:47:12,250 --> 01:47:12,250
when I call your name, I will ask that you come forward and have a seat on the first two
Pews in this intersection,

830
01:47:17,890 --> 01:47:17,890
two rows in this intersection, and that virtual speakers,
You have your audio and video ready.

831
01:47:24,370 --> 01:47:24,370
curt alexander. Sarah brandon, luke, ashley. Johnson,
Rachel.

832
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:33,080
young, ari. Loewenstein, david. Preziosi sent.

833
01:47:39,000 --> 01:47:39,000
wheat, michael. Amonette, julie. Gutierrez, steven.

834
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:45,280
callahan, jenna. Brightman, carlos. Quintanilla,
Brett.

835
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:52,320
shipp, alex. Scott, john. Barr, mc barr, john henry martinez,
Cassandra gandara,

836
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:02,360
gabriel brown, rachel rachel dillard, and travis taylor.

837
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:07,920
travis taylor has canceled kurt alexander. Good morning.

838
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,720
my name is kurt alexander. I'm the president of omni hotels and resorts. I want to share some data from our company and from omni dallas,
Which as you know, is owned by the city,

839
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:23,720
our convention centers, hotels in nashville,
Atlanta, orlando and boston.

840
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:29,040
all cities that we want to compete with here in dallas currently have between 2 and 2 and
A half times the business that omni dallas has over the next eight

841
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:38,960
years. That's $150 million that omni dallas has missed out on.

842
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:45,000
if this project is delayed or stops, it will cause irreparable harm to this city,
Its constituents,

843
01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:54,480
and to the asset which you own. So I would urge you to vote no to item 90.

844
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:01,440
our city has taken some hits lately, and this is in y'all's control to make sure we put a
Win on the board.

845
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:07,520
thank you. Thank you. Sarah marcaccio.

846
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,760
good afternoon. I'm sarah murgoitio, district one resident. I honestly hate that we're here today. I would have much preferred city staff come up with
A solution on their own in the multiple attempts over the last few months.

847
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:28,790
but here we are. There's a lot of moving parts to consider,
So I hope you've taken into consideration one part.

848
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:35,030
we are now paying attention. Despite every attempt to keep us uninformed.

849
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:39,270
here we are. When you mention stakeholders in your discussion today include oak cliff and
South dallas businesses and homeowners in that term.

850
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:47,990
we have been tied by these viaducts for over 100 years,
Funneling the workers from the southern sectors to the cbd for generations.

851
01:49:56,670 --> 01:50:00,350
you will not chop off our city's vital access points in a committee meeting. If you want to do that, you can do it right here in front of everyone.

852
01:50:03,870 --> 01:50:06,990
I ask that you not be intimidated by numbers and a memo. Residents do not deserve to carry blame or burden for the city's mismanagement and
Miscalculations.

853
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:11,830
as to the importance of these viaducts. That was their miscalculation,
Not ours.

854
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:16,470
thank you. Thank you. Brandon. Luke. Good morning.

855
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:23,990
my name is brandon luke. I am the business owner of the woolworth and you know,
Moss in downtown.

856
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:30,950
I came here to tell, you know, today, but I can't justifiably say that.

857
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:36,870
yes doesn't make it right either. But you guys you guys are creating a situation that is
Compounding.

858
01:50:44,910 --> 01:50:48,350
stars are leaving, mabs are leaving. At&t is leaving. I heard the good news about morgan. But what you guys are failing to see is this is like a
Falling knife,

859
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:55,750
right? Who's catching one? I live in district 14,
And it seems that

860
01:51:05,710 --> 01:51:05,710
we continue to leave the citizen behind in these bigger choices.

861
01:51:11,270 --> 01:51:11,270
as a business owner, I staked my family and choice.

862
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:17,990
I could have moved up north during the pandemic. I chose to stay here and this is just more nonsense.

863
01:51:21,980 --> 01:51:21,980
that's your time. Thank you, ashley johnson. Good morning.

864
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:31,060
yes, I would urge for you to vote no because I would like for the convention center to
Bring in more jobs for the community and have

865
01:51:40,740 --> 01:51:40,740
easy access for us to get back and forth to where we need to get.

866
01:51:45,180 --> 01:51:45,180
thank you. Thank you. Rachel. John.

867
01:51:55,740 --> 01:51:55,740
good morning. My name is rachel yun. Lowering the convention center means changing the
Jefferson and houston street viaducts.

868
01:52:01,940 --> 01:52:04,900
these bridges stand as the last historic pieces of oak cliff. Destroying or altering them will ruin the literal architectural history our city has left.

869
01:52:09,460 --> 01:52:09,460
this will destroy communities. The future of oak cliff will be non-existent if this vote
Goes the opposite way.

870
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:15,660
no one will want to live here. The design will force commuters into a massive bottleneck.

871
01:52:19,820 --> 01:52:21,980
the houston viaduct will be closed to cars to. Jefferson viaduct will route drivers down to hotel street.

872
01:52:25,860 --> 01:52:25,860
this will create crippling congestion. This will delay drivers every day and dart trains
And busses.

873
01:52:31,340 --> 01:52:31,340
dart serves as serves. Dart serves as thousands of dallas citizens.

874
01:52:36,220 --> 01:52:36,220
primary travel method. You will punish public transit riders alongside drivers.

875
01:52:41,980 --> 01:52:41,980
dart has already closed a convention center station for three years because of this
Construction.

876
01:52:46,700 --> 01:52:46,700
busses routes will detour. More vehicles sitting in traffic will generate more carbon
Emissions.

877
01:52:51,940 --> 01:52:51,940
dallas air quality already suffers. Your vote will make our air quality worse.

878
01:52:56,500 --> 01:52:56,500
that's your time. Thank you. Ari loewenstein.

879
01:53:03,060 --> 01:53:05,860
hello. My name is ari loewenstein. I live in district one. I have a business in district six, and I have a business in district 14.

880
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:10,260
I'm on literally all sides of this. You have a really difficult job,
And you've been handed a really bad hand by whoever dealt this beforehand.

881
01:53:19,370 --> 01:53:19,370
history tells us that when we look back in 20 years,
This will either have decimated oak cliff or not.

882
01:53:25,730 --> 01:53:25,730
it took rome 40 years to build line c because every three feet they went,
They found more archeological sites that they had to uncover.

883
01:53:34,050 --> 01:53:34,050
but they did it right. Vote yes. Even though it's going to cost my pocket for my store
Downtown,

884
01:53:40,810 --> 01:53:40,810
because it's the right thing to do. Because it's going to preserve oak cliff. And because
While we need the convention center,

885
01:53:47,330 --> 01:53:50,610
the original plan worked around what was there. The streets were there. The original plan didn't say to do this,
So do it the way it was drawn originally.

886
01:53:56,930 --> 01:53:56,930
it's going to hurt my pocket, but it's going to be important historically for the city.

887
01:54:02,290 --> 01:54:05,770
that's your time. It'll work. Thanks. Thank you. David preziosi.

888
01:54:16,170 --> 01:54:19,690
david preziosi, a resident of district one in oak cliff. And I'm here to support leaving the convention center design elevated to allow traffic to.

889
01:54:23,890 --> 01:54:23,890
and from oak cliff on jefferson street and houston viaducts to continue to serve as a
Lifeline for oak cliff residents to downtown,

890
01:54:31,450 --> 01:54:31,450
which has been for over 100 years. Some fun facts about the bridge.

891
01:54:36,490 --> 01:54:36,490
the concrete and steel houston street viaduct was completed in 1911 in response to the
Devastating 1908 flood,

892
01:54:43,410 --> 01:54:43,410
which washed out most of the wooden bridges. In 1984,
It was listed on the national register of historic places for its engineering and

893
01:54:51,050 --> 01:54:51,050
construction significance as the longest viaduct of reinforced concrete arches ever built
At over 6500ft.

894
01:54:58,690 --> 01:54:58,690
and a fun fact it was designed to accommodate ocean going vessels,
As at that time, there was supposed to be a canal that went from dallas all the way to the

895
01:55:07,690 --> 01:55:07,690
gulf. The jefferson viaduct was built in the 1970s,
Replacing an earlier bridge that served as an elevated railway connecting.

896
01:55:16,210 --> 01:55:16,210
oak cliff to downtown. Thank you. Thank you. Sent.

897
01:55:20,250 --> 01:55:20,250
wheat. Good morning, mayor,

898
01:55:30,050 --> 01:55:30,050
city council, city manager and everyone seated before me and behind me.

899
01:55:34,410 --> 01:55:37,770
my name is sent wheat and I'm a resident of district seven. I am here today regarding item 90. I just want to say the city has already spent time,
Money and resources on expert studies and

900
01:55:47,410 --> 01:55:47,410
plans to move this project forward. Now there are discussions about reversing it and
Bringing it back.

901
01:55:53,570 --> 01:55:53,570
I am here to ask that you vote no and stop wasting our valuable time and our taxpayers
Dollars.

902
01:55:59,330 --> 01:56:03,010
our city needs the jobs, economy, growth and revenue. That is the project that can bring a revenue that this project can bring.

903
01:56:07,850 --> 01:56:07,850
we should not be moving forward. I mean, we should be moving forward,
Not backwards.

904
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:12,920
also, I would like to say that the jefferson and houston viaducts are not closing.

905
01:56:17,800 --> 01:56:17,800
that is not true. As I as I have heard others say,
I respectfully ask the council to vote and keep the project and move.

906
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:28,760
keep the project moving ahead. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Michael amonette thank you, mr. Mayor.

907
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:33,120
please vote yes for item 90. Erecting a building in the middle of a road 7800 people use
Each day is ridiculous.

908
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:40,240
it's insulting how temporary guests seem to be so much more important than permanent
Taxpaying residents.

909
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:46,400
the dallas morning news is correct. This would be a gross error of generational
Consequence.

910
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:51,520
I spent the last two mornings helping pass out fliers to hundreds of drivers at young and
Market,

911
01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:00,120
where the jefferson bridge might no longer go. The overwhelming number of people who rolled down their windows and took fliers from me
Were black and hispanic.

912
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:06,640
at least 85%. This is about normal, hard working people who are just trying to go back and
Forth to work every day.

913
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:13,440
they do not need or deserve the additional burden of some convoluted detour,
Adding time and stress to their workday for still more endless,

914
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:24,800
wealth driven convention center fantasies. Thank you. Thank you. Julie gutierrez.

915
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:36,440
good morning, mayor and city council. My name is julie gutierrez and I'm a local business
Owner.

916
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:42,040
I'm also one of 13 small business owners that make up trinity alliance.

917
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:46,760
I'm here to share with you what the project has done for workforce development for the
Dallas workforce development.

918
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:53,600
we've worked with recruitment partners, training partners such as dallas college and other
Placement programs with organizations such as goodwill.

919
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:02,720
we are creating an ecosystem, a pipeline for employers so that they can have talent to
Support this project.

920
01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:12,030
this delay would not only impact people getting jobs,
But it would impact the small businesses who would benefit from from this workforce

921
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:23,830
pipeline here. We want people to get the jobs. We have people in various stages right now ready and piped up ready for them to get jobs
With our project.

922
01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:31,070
so I urge you to vote no for line item 90. Thank you.

923
01:58:36,390 --> 01:58:36,390
steven callahan. Good morning. Resident of oak cliff,
Business owner in the heart of bishop arts.

924
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:49,390
I also operate a second location in downtown dallas farmers market. And I am here to politely disagree with my neighbors who seem to think that we're bombing
The bridges.

925
01:58:55,710 --> 01:58:58,790
I think this is good for the long term health of oak cliff. The multi-modal connection for the houston viaduct is good.

926
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:02,550
I want a streetcar, I want cyclists to come to bishop arts from downtown.

927
01:59:07,910 --> 01:59:11,790
I view this as a good thing. Thank you. Thank you. Jenna brightman. Hello, my name is dawn brightman,
And I ask that you guys vote no for item 90.

928
01:59:22,990 --> 01:59:22,990
thank you. Carlos quintanilla. Carlos quintanilla it's not present.

929
01:59:31,710 --> 01:59:31,710
brett shipp.

930
01:59:44,830 --> 01:59:44,830
one minute. We get one minute. One minute. Are you kidding me?

931
01:59:54,150 --> 01:59:54,150
this is an insult. But you know what a bigger insult is?

932
01:59:59,630 --> 01:59:59,630
what? You're telling the people of districts one of districts three of district four and
District eight.

933
02:00:10,580 --> 02:00:10,580
you are telling them you don't care. Everybody in here wants this convention center.

934
02:00:18,260 --> 02:00:18,260
we all voted for it. We don't want delays. We want it on time and under budget.

935
02:00:24,580 --> 02:00:24,580
we want all these things. But what we want more than anything else in my 14 seconds is
Equity and justice and

936
02:00:34,340 --> 02:00:34,340
dignity and respect for the people of the southern sector of this city.

937
02:00:39,500 --> 02:00:39,500
my time is up. Save city hall, save the bridge.

938
02:00:43,660 --> 02:00:43,660
thank you. All right. Thank you. Alex scott has canceled john barr.

939
02:00:56,420 --> 02:00:56,420
thank you, mr. Mayor. Members of council, my name is john barr.

940
02:01:01,980 --> 02:01:05,260
I don't know why you have to vote for one or the other. If you look at the numbers that they've provided you,
The numbers are.

941
02:01:08,980 --> 02:01:08,980
please check them about the expense of delay.

942
02:01:13,140 --> 02:01:13,140
please help us have transportation. There's a way to do this.

943
02:01:17,660 --> 02:01:17,660
we've analyzed the numbers, and if you're interested,
We can sit down and give you some more information.

944
02:01:23,980 --> 02:01:27,300
simply not enough time. But I would like to address something. The police officers were moving forcibly. A former council member that was up here talking
To you.

945
02:01:35,460 --> 02:01:35,460
the predicates, the predicates that you must have by law to shut a thoroughfare have not
Been complied with.

946
02:01:42,180 --> 02:01:42,180
we were first told about this on march the 23rd.

947
02:01:47,180 --> 02:01:47,180
that's when we were first told the numbers that we're talking about expending.

948
02:01:53,580 --> 02:01:56,580
they're not accurate. They're not reliable. Thank you very much. Thank you. Mc barr. Good morning. I'm a resident and business owner in the oak cliff
Community,

949
02:02:03,290 --> 02:02:03,290
and I'm speaking today because what is being proposed is not a design decision.

950
02:02:07,650 --> 02:02:07,650
it's not a cost savings measure. It is a generational wound that will be inflicted upon
One of dallas most resilient and historically underserved communities.

951
02:02:16,970 --> 02:02:16,970
and I believe the dallas city council must understand plain terms what that wound will
Cost us.

952
02:02:21,890 --> 02:02:24,130
these bridges are the veins of our community. Every morning, over 19,000 vehicles cross the colorado and zang boulevard intersection,
Moving toward downtown.

953
02:02:30,810 --> 02:02:30,810
workers cross them to reach their jobs. Business owners cross them to make deliveries.

954
02:02:35,730 --> 02:02:35,730
customers cross them to spend their money in our restaurants,
Shops and our small businesses.

955
02:02:41,170 --> 02:02:44,970
families cross them to access services, health care and opportunity. The moment that those bridges are compromised,
Diminished or eliminated, everything that depends on them begins to deteriorate.

956
02:02:51,410 --> 02:02:51,410
and I know cliff and the southern sector, that is nearly everything city staff has
Produced detailed projections of the cost of the convention center project of

957
02:03:01,330 --> 02:03:04,850
preserving the viaducts. What they've sachse your time. Say thank you. John henry martinez.

958
02:03:15,970 --> 02:03:15,970
good morning. My name is john martinez. I'm with the regional hispanic contractors.

959
02:03:20,690 --> 02:03:20,690
I'm asking for your vote. One for the staff of city hall.

960
02:03:25,530 --> 02:03:29,290
I have faith that they're doing the best that they can do for our citizens. They've gotten the message. We want the convention center. I know that they're going to
Keep those bridges and things open because they know the importance of jobs.

961
02:03:37,730 --> 02:03:37,730
my second part is I'm asking you to vote for the men and women who actually live in the
City of dallas who,

962
02:03:43,450 --> 02:03:46,570
you know what? If there aren't any businesses and jobs for them to go to? Doesn't matter if there's a bridge or a road. We need the convention center to keep those
Jobs.

963
02:03:51,130 --> 02:03:51,130
if you don't know what that looks like, how many of us have lost those restaurants and
Places that we enjoyed and we loved after covid that never came

964
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:00,920
back? That's what we're talking about when we're delaying the convention center.

965
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:05,280
I'm not talking about the business owners. I'm talking about the men and women who work in
Construction or will work in construction,

966
02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:11,800
who work in those restaurants, who work at the convention center. Thank you for your
Support.

967
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:16,120
thank you. Cassandra. Cassandra. Cassandra. Gandara.

968
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:22,640
it's not present. Gabriel brown. Good morning,
City manager, mayor and city council members.

969
02:04:32,200 --> 02:04:32,200
my name is gabrielle brown. And I work in the hospitality,
Hospitality and convention industry,

970
02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:40,680
specifically in security for true focused hospitality group. I'm here because this convention center delay is already hurting workers and small
Contractors.

971
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:45,880
this is not something that may happen later. We are already losing money now.

972
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:53,200
security officers, janitors, registration teams. Food and beverage workers, exhibitor services,
Event staff and the companies that employ us are all being displaced.

973
02:04:59,680 --> 02:04:59,680
the companies we work for are scrambling to find contracts with hotels,
But hotels do not have enough visiting traffic because conventions are not coming in.

974
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:11,920
please protect hospitality workers. Please protect small contractors. Please move forward in a way that does not leave us behind.

975
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:15,000
this delay is not about a building. It is already costing workers income,
Costing small companies contracts and threatening the survival of hospitality business in

976
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:23,640
dallas. Thank you, thank you. Rachel dillard.

977
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:35,840
good morning. I'm rachel dillard. I live in district one at the lake cliff tower
Condominiums.

978
02:05:42,720 --> 02:05:42,720
I support the plan to revert to the original design of the convention center,
Which raises it above the jefferson

979
02:05:52,590 --> 02:05:52,590
street viaduct so that the jefferson jefferson street viaduct remains

980
02:06:02,510 --> 02:06:02,510
a viable entry into the city of dallas into downtown dallas.

981
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:06,790
I also incorporate by reference everything that brett shipp said.

982
02:06:11,190 --> 02:06:11,190
I have attended three town hall meetings of different districts in dallas.

983
02:06:18,150 --> 02:06:18,150
there are stakeholders not only in north oak cliff,
But in south oak cliff, south dallas,

984
02:06:23,710 --> 02:06:23,710
and in the the cities south of the city limit,
Desoto, duncanville, cedar hill, red oak.

985
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:35,630
all these people are going to have to find a new way into downtown. That's your time. Thank you. Thank you. Travis taylor is canceled.

986
02:06:40,670 --> 02:06:40,670
I will now call the final group of speakers. When I call your name,
I do ask that you come forward and have a seat on the first two rows of this intersection

987
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:52,750
and that virtual speakers, you have your audio and video ready. Stephanie drinka, jim. Foster, kendall. Simms.

988
02:06:57,670 --> 02:06:57,670
kendrick. March. Cirrhosa. Tyler. Shaming. Richardson.

989
02:07:05,710 --> 02:07:05,710
katana. Charleston. Donald. Lampkin, sherry. Edwards.

990
02:07:12,550 --> 02:07:12,550
victor. Tucker. Tiara. Grace, stephen. Edwards,
Kaela.

991
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:19,350
foster, david. Pryor. Tennille. Carter, james.

992
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:25,510
verdin, la angela. Jones, la feria. Bennett,
Deborah.

993
02:07:32,630 --> 02:07:32,630
peterson, gregory cody and wanda. Jefferson. Stephanie.

994
02:07:38,670 --> 02:07:38,670
stephanie drinka virtual. Historian. Doctor michael phillips referred to dallas as a
Laboratory of forgetfulness.

995
02:07:48,340 --> 02:07:48,340
some of you seem to have forgotten the 1940s,
When frontage roads to central expressway paved over more than 1000 graves of black

996
02:07:55,580 --> 02:07:55,580
residents buried in freedman's cemetery, or I-35,
Which demolished homes and businesses in the 10th street historic district,

997
02:08:02,220 --> 02:08:04,980
bounded by formerly enslaved black people, or I. 345, which was redesigned in the 1960s to bypass deep ellum,
Decreasing foot traffic to a primarily black owned neighborhood.

998
02:08:13,020 --> 02:08:13,020
or the redlining, redlining maps, and deed covenants that locked black and latino families
Out of wealth building in south dallas and oak cliff.

999
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:24,100
and now this convention center plan would cut them off from downtown even further. We're told the only way to preserve connectivity is to spend half $1 billion from the same
Leaders who won't fund repairs to our iconic city hall.

1000
02:08:31,620 --> 02:08:31,620
during a recent panel about the future of downtown,
Developer mike ablon said the history of dallas is a history of infrastructure.

1001
02:08:37,780 --> 02:08:37,780
here you are poised to repeat that history. Perhaps that's why you're working so hard to
Erase it.

1002
02:08:43,860 --> 02:08:43,860
thank you, jim foster.

1003
02:08:56,300 --> 02:08:56,300
hello. I'm your immediate past dallas county judge,
And the houston street viaduct was built under

1004
02:09:06,260 --> 02:09:06,260
a contract from dallas county. I can find no information whatsoever that indicates that
That

1005
02:09:15,980 --> 02:09:19,660
viaduct was ever conveyed to the city of dallas. My contention is that the viaduct still belongs to the citizens of dallas county and not
To the city of dallas.

1006
02:09:30,620 --> 02:09:30,620
and I hope that you understand that you have no authority to restrict the traffic of that
Viaduct.

1007
02:09:39,740 --> 02:09:39,740
thank you. Thank you. Kendall simms. Good

1008
02:09:49,380 --> 02:09:49,380
afternoon. My name is kendall simms and I'm saying vote no for item 90.

1009
02:09:57,500 --> 02:09:57,500
thank you. Kendrick. March. Good morning. I'm kendrick

1010
02:10:06,980 --> 02:10:06,980
march and I believe. Continuing the build of the

1011
02:10:17,740 --> 02:10:17,740
convention center and not delay it would give kids today a good,
You know, job because I know they parents didn't tell them about that place because

1012
02:10:27,780 --> 02:10:27,780
I know I've had a vast amount of people that come to this city and spend money immensely
Amount of money at that place.

1013
02:10:36,500 --> 02:10:36,500
and just the history about it. And far as the

1014
02:10:47,410 --> 02:10:47,410
it will cause, you know I just vote no for the item 90.

1015
02:10:56,370 --> 02:10:56,370
thank you. So, rosa. Tyler. Good morning to the mayor and all the

1016
02:11:06,250 --> 02:11:06,250
city council members. My name is tyler, and I'm voting on agenda 90

1017
02:11:16,690 --> 02:11:16,690
in the south oak cliff area where I grew up. And I'm a proud graduate of south oak cliff
High school.

1018
02:11:23,970 --> 02:11:23,970
and I won't vote no for agenda 90. Thank you.

1019
02:11:31,490 --> 02:11:31,490
shaming richardson.

1020
02:11:46,090 --> 02:11:46,090
good afternoon, mayor and council members. My name is sam richardson.

1021
02:11:50,970 --> 02:11:50,970
for this to even be a debate is disheartening to say the least.

1022
02:11:55,210 --> 02:11:55,210
don't raise the building back up. Don't go backwards,
Move forward, hold the date and vote no to item 90.

1023
02:12:02,770 --> 02:12:02,770
thank you. Katana. Charleston. Good morning,
Mayor and council

1024
02:12:12,530 --> 02:12:12,530
members. The city faces immediate infrastructure and budget needs that should take
Priority over this massive funding app.

1025
02:12:20,530 --> 02:12:20,530
please reject this proposal and support more cost effective transit solutions instead.

1026
02:12:26,530 --> 02:12:26,530
while I have a few more minutes, this is my first city council meeting and I don't know if
This is the norm,

1027
02:12:33,090 --> 02:12:33,090
but some of you don't even seem like you're engaged in what the people are saying,
Like I said,

1028
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:38,680
I know you have a lot on your books and stuff,
But it doesn't seem like you're listening to what the people are saying or taking into

1029
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:47,480
consideration. And I also would like to thank mr. Chip for waking up the room and the council. Thank you.

1030
02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:54,080
danielle lampkin. Danielle lampkin it's not present.

1031
02:13:00,360 --> 02:13:00,360
sherry. Edwards. Sherry. Sherry edwards is not present.

1032
02:13:09,640 --> 02:13:13,480
I'm sorry. Sherry edwards. Yes. I'm here. I'm sorry. I have a suffering from a broken ankle. Recovering.

1033
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:20,240
I just wanted to say good morning to the councilman city council. I vote no for item nine. Being a resident of oakland for all my life and my family coming
From generations,

1034
02:13:26,760 --> 02:13:26,760
we need that jefferson viaduct to remain open even with working downtown.

1035
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:32,200
coming to klyde warren park, working at museum towers.

1036
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:36,280
we need that to stay open again. We say no to item nine.

1037
02:13:41,400 --> 02:13:41,400
thank you. Victor. Tucker. Victor. Tucker. Yes,
Ma'am.

1038
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:50,520
good morning, city council. I'm just here to say vote no to item 90 and keep it going.

1039
02:13:58,800 --> 02:13:58,800
thank you. Thank you. Tiara. Grace. Hi. My name is tiara grace.

1040
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:08,680
and I'm just here to say I am voting no on item 90.

1041
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:13,920
thank you. Steven edwards. Hello, I'm steven edwards.

1042
02:14:21,000 --> 02:14:21,000
I vote no on item nine. Thank you. Kayla foster.

1043
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:30,640
kayla foster. It's not present. David pryor. David pryor,

1044
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:40,870
it's not present. Tennell carter.

1045
02:14:53,870 --> 02:14:53,870
good afternoon, mayor and council. I'm here to represent district one and I would like to
Vote no for item 90.

1046
02:15:02,910 --> 02:15:02,910
thank you. James verdin. Hello. How y'all doing?

1047
02:15:10,270 --> 02:15:10,270
I'm james verdin, a community activist entrepreneur.

1048
02:15:14,510 --> 02:15:14,510
mayor, city council. And I'm here to vote no on item 90.

1049
02:15:19,190 --> 02:15:22,910
I stand here. It's a bittersweet moment. It's been a while. I actually grew up watching the council with my mother standing,
Doing what I'm doing now.

1050
02:15:28,870 --> 02:15:32,750
I believe it should always be people over politics. I believe that people should actually do more research and see that they're not actually
Control trying to shut down.

1051
02:15:39,910 --> 02:15:39,910
they're just trying to bring more financial benefits to the community and to the people of
Our great city.

1052
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:48,790
and I ask and urge you to please vote no. Thank you for your time and consideration.

1053
02:15:59,150 --> 02:15:59,150
thank you. La angela jones.

1054
02:16:13,550 --> 02:16:13,550
how you doing? Mayor and council member. My name is angela jones,
Business owner in dallas.

1055
02:16:19,270 --> 02:16:19,270
and I just urge you guys to vote against it. Thank you.

1056
02:16:23,670 --> 02:16:23,670
thank you. La bennett. Bennett. It's not.

1057
02:16:39,860 --> 02:16:43,740
good afternoon, mayor councilor. How y'all how y'all doing? I've been a resident of dallas all my life, so I'm voting for the item 90.

1058
02:16:49,060 --> 02:16:49,060
I vote for no thank you. Thank you, deborah peterson.

1059
02:16:57,260 --> 02:16:57,260
deborah peterson okay, it's still morning. Good morning,
Mayor and council members.

1060
02:17:05,140 --> 02:17:05,140
my name is deborah peterson. I urge urge you to vote no on agenda item 90.

1061
02:17:14,460 --> 02:17:14,460
this is a massive financial commitment, and taxpayers are being asked to accept major
Costs and risks without enough

1062
02:17:24,100 --> 02:17:24,100
transparency or are accountability before committing billions.

1063
02:17:31,540 --> 02:17:31,540
the public deserves clear answers about overruns,
Debts and who pay if revenue falls

1064
02:17:41,380 --> 02:17:41,380
short. Dallas has urgent needs today. Public safety streets,
Parks, infrastructure and basic

1065
02:17:50,700 --> 02:17:50,700
services. We should not write a blank check for uncertain future benefits.

1066
02:17:57,300 --> 02:17:57,300
please slow this process down. Provide full accountability.

1067
02:18:02,780 --> 02:18:06,740
that's your time and vote no on agenda item 90. Thank you. Thank you. Gregory. Cody.

1068
02:18:17,460 --> 02:18:21,300
good morning. Mayor, city council members, city manager and distinguished guests. My name is gregory cody. I'm president and ceo of gcc enterprises.

1069
02:18:25,930 --> 02:18:25,930
I'm one of the members of the trinity alliance,
And I'm here today to ask you to ask you to vote no for agenda item 90.

1070
02:18:34,890 --> 02:18:34,890
and the reasons behind that is it's just delaying this project is delaying our opportunity
To

1071
02:18:44,010 --> 02:18:44,010
provide this much needed building and convention center for the city.

1072
02:18:49,850 --> 02:18:49,850
so a whole year of this. And another thing is we're not getting we're in a position now
That our trade partners are not convinced

1073
02:18:59,810 --> 02:18:59,810
that we are moving forward in a manner that they want us to move forward because we can't
Get solid answers as we move forward.

1074
02:19:06,850 --> 02:19:10,170
our goal is to get solid answers and to keep this thing moving forward. So I ask you, I plead for you to please say no to agenda item 90.

1075
02:19:15,490 --> 02:19:15,490
thank you. Thank you. Wanda. Jefferson.

1076
02:19:28,490 --> 02:19:28,490
good afternoon. My name is wanda jefferson. I'm been a resident of dallas all my life,
And I'm here to just say please vote

1077
02:19:38,050 --> 02:19:38,050
no, say the bridge and just vote no. Thank you,
Mr.

1078
02:19:44,050 --> 02:19:46,930
mayor. This concludes your speakers for this item. Wonderful. All right. The time is 11:51 a.m. On june 24th,
2026.

1079
02:19:51,890 --> 02:19:51,890
city council meeting will now go into closed session under section five. 51.07,
One of the texas open meetings act on the following matters described on today's agenda

1080
02:19:59,570 --> 02:19:59,570
item numbers 85, 86 and 89 and under sections five,
51.07, one and 551.07.

1081
02:20:05,570 --> 02:20:05,570
two of the texas open meetings act on the following matter described in today's agenda.
Item number 87 will stand in recess until 1 p.m..

1082
02:20:12,330 --> 02:20:12,330
thank you. All right. City council meetings completed its closed session under sections
551.071 and

1083
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:20,960
51.07. Two of the texas open meetings act. Nat 2:56 p.m.

1084
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:29,320
on june 24th, 2026, we return to open session. Madam secretary where are we on the agenda? Mr.

1085
02:20:32,600 --> 02:20:32,600
mayor, we are still on agenda item 90. We finished the speakers.

1086
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:39,280
we are at the point where we need a motion and a second. Okay. So you read into the record already. Yes.

1087
02:20:41,640 --> 02:20:45,560
all right. I'm looking for a motion on from chairman. Mr. Mayor. Deputy mayor, pro tem, mr. Mayor. Yes.

1088
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:48,960
miss blair, I move to deny this item. Is there a second?

1089
02:20:54,600 --> 02:20:58,480
it's been moved and seconded. The motion is to deny on item 90. You're recognized for five minutes, miss blair. I don't think that there's a lot that
Needs to be said.

1090
02:21:05,480 --> 02:21:08,200
we have talked about this. We have gone over this. We have we have moved one way. We have moved another way.

1091
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:12,280
there has been misinformation. There has been information that says that that we're trying
To block.

1092
02:21:21,240 --> 02:21:21,240
access for the complete southern sector to the north,
Which is far from the truth.

1093
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:33,160
it is misfortunate. It's unfortunate that we have to go here,
And we have to discuss this again and again and again.

1094
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:43,840
the the truth is raising the raising. Well, the truth is,
It doesn't matter whether the whether

1095
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:53,840
the convention center is raised or it's lowered,
You will still you will still have access via the viaducts in order to get in and out

1096
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:03,680
of downtown. The only challenge that we will have is during construction,
If I remember

1097
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:13,120
correctly, is being asked to travel a couple of extra minutes.

1098
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:20,070
if it is, then once it's once completed, it'll be 42 seconds.

1099
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:27,030
the challenge we also has is that we have fifa here right now with accentuates the fact
That we've lost access to griffin.

1100
02:22:38,190 --> 02:22:38,190
once fifa is gone, our access up corinth to griffin reopens and it relieves some of the
Pressure

1101
02:22:48,710 --> 02:22:48,710
off of the viaducts. It is also true that we have that that txdot has dismantled the three
Off

1102
02:22:59,710 --> 02:22:59,710
ramps or overpasses on I-30, which accentuates the fact that this is a challenge for the
Southern

1103
02:23:09,550 --> 02:23:09,550
sector. I think there will be a motion coming behind me that will explain it better.

1104
02:23:17,510 --> 02:23:17,510
so with that mayor, I just ask that you not to to deny this case,
To deny this, to accept my

1105
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:27,190
motion, to deny, and then let's move forward.

1106
02:23:48,750 --> 02:23:48,750
miss blackmon, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you.

1107
02:23:53,070 --> 02:23:53,070
I have a couple of questions. So my first question is that we've been talking about the
Viaducts.

1108
02:23:59,710 --> 02:23:59,710
I guess we need to help us. Help me understand what exactly is the viaduct and where does
It stop and where does it begin?

1109
02:24:08,670 --> 02:24:08,670
because I think there's a lot of confusion on what what it is,
Where it isn't.

1110
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:15,510
so I, I'd love for somebody to help explain that.

1111
02:24:23,430 --> 02:24:23,430
oh. My time is still going, billy ray, as they're getting situated.

1112
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:30,870
thank you. Not that I need it all. Good afternoon.

1113
02:24:38,430 --> 02:24:38,430
director of the department, transportation and public works. So the viaduct,
By definition,

1114
02:24:44,310 --> 02:24:44,310
is the structure that goes over a a water body or a long stretch over a long stretch.

1115
02:24:52,510 --> 02:24:52,510
so the viaducts pretty much, I mean, if you want to call it the definition of viaduct ends
Past the northern end of the levee.

1116
02:25:01,950 --> 02:25:01,950
and as you start getting into downtown. So that is a small piece of it that is not over
The levee.

1117
02:25:09,190 --> 02:25:13,100
and it is you're going over the tracks, railroad tracks. And as you're going down into downtown. So the viaduct stops at the tracks or at the at
The at the at the garage,

1118
02:25:19,420 --> 02:25:19,420
pretty much. I mean, for, for the purpose of the discussion is right,
Right around the tracks area.

1119
02:25:24,580 --> 02:25:27,700
okay, so the construct, I guess let's go with. There's three stages of this, this discussion,
I guess for you have a current.

1120
02:25:32,540 --> 02:25:32,540
you have construction, you have day one of convention center and you have a permanent.

1121
02:25:37,340 --> 02:25:40,500
correct. There's four stages to this. Correct. Okay. At what point is a viaduct touch in any of those stations,
Those stages?

1122
02:25:46,940 --> 02:25:46,940
so if we go with the definition that the viaduct extends from the southern end all the way
To past the northern

1123
02:25:56,700 --> 02:25:56,700
levee then that piece is still intact. So the viaduct itself is going to be intact.

1124
02:26:04,580 --> 02:26:04,580
where does any kind of disruption happen after that?

1125
02:26:09,220 --> 02:26:09,220
so generally speaking again, this is part of the general location.

1126
02:26:13,380 --> 02:26:13,380
it's just north of the railroad tracks to basically the area where it changes from
Jefferson

1127
02:26:23,220 --> 02:26:23,220
into market, where we're coming back down to grade right around the just before you get to
The omni.

1128
02:26:29,980 --> 02:26:29,980
okay. And what will happen then? According to the information that I have from the
Convention center currently is that that piece is going

1129
02:26:39,980 --> 02:26:39,980
to be impacted by the construction of the convention center.

1130
02:26:44,220 --> 02:26:44,220
and let me be clear, is that regardless of what option is going to be whether it be in the
Building or stays at the elevation where it's at

1131
02:26:54,060 --> 02:26:54,060
or it is lowered, that piece was going to be impacted during construction.

1132
02:26:59,260 --> 02:26:59,260
okay. So the viaducts are going to stay in place and they will continue to connect the
Communities.

1133
02:27:04,700 --> 02:27:04,700
it's how it gets when it gets off the viaducts is what's really at at play here or in
Discussion,

1134
02:27:11,370 --> 02:27:11,370
correct? Okay. Now let's talk about the convention center in january.

1135
02:27:18,490 --> 02:27:20,730
or when did we tell y'all that it was too expensive? Go back and redesign. Thank you. Rosa fleming,
Director of convention and event services.

1136
02:27:27,050 --> 02:27:27,050
so we briefed you in may of 2025 with the first schematic design,
And brought that so that we could be able

1137
02:27:36,850 --> 02:27:36,850
to ask to go into design and construction. That's when it was decided it was too costly
Because we provided you a range of

1138
02:27:46,170 --> 02:27:46,170
3.5 to 3.7. So we brought back in january of 2026,
The design that now had a

1139
02:27:56,050 --> 02:27:56,050
price tag of 3.1 to 3.3. Okay. So now it's at 3.1 to 3.3.

1140
02:28:03,210 --> 02:28:03,210
yeah. Right now we are holding at 3.080 zero billion.

1141
02:28:08,930 --> 02:28:08,930
but we did tell you a range in case there's those market factors that were in the briefing
We provided that day.

1142
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:15,290
okay. And what and then in the it says our fiscal note if we go back is going to be three
Is going to add

1143
02:28:25,170 --> 02:28:28,450
a certain amount. What is that money going to be used for? What why are we going to have a half $1 billion for redesign?

1144
02:28:33,250 --> 02:28:36,610
is it because I assume we're not going to go back to the other design? Right. We would not we would not. Both of those designs actually would require interaction
With just as,

1145
02:28:45,490 --> 02:28:45,490
as director ken cali said, interaction with that 550ft.

1146
02:28:51,090 --> 02:28:51,090
and so because in may of 2025, what we brought you were schematics and we now are in
Construction dock phase on the current design.

1147
02:29:00,770 --> 02:29:04,560
that is why we tell you we'd have to go back and do a redesign. So you're duplicating the cost of all of the of all of the architectural costs that we
Did.

1148
02:29:13,080 --> 02:29:16,360
you're going to have to look at some potential replanning. It's basically doing a project over going all the way back pre schematics into then
Advancing once accepted into design and construction docs.

1149
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:26,360
so going back to redesign, how much is I mean what does that mean for the project as far
As delays.

1150
02:29:32,640 --> 02:29:32,640
so you're looking at about a year of redesign maybe a little less,
Because we'd have to repeat a lot of the things we've

1151
02:29:42,520 --> 02:29:42,520
already paid for. And then that would come back to council and we'd have to then get,
Get another approval.

1152
02:29:51,480 --> 02:29:51,480
and at that point, start the clock over. But you're looking at at impacts to I think
You've heard from some of the speakers today.

1153
02:29:59,120 --> 02:29:59,120
impacts to hotel occupancy tax, etcetera. True because when we developed a timeline,
We worked very hard with visit dallas and the hotel association of north

1154
02:30:08,760 --> 02:30:08,760
texas to plan for a specific period. So they planned their budgets and,
And their revenue and their hiring and use of,

1155
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:17,840
of personnel for a certain period after that,
There's no guarantee that we could go in and do some infill into the

1156
02:30:27,360 --> 02:30:27,360
schedules of clients, etc. In the hotels. Just because it's such a,
It's such a close period to be able to do that.

1157
02:30:35,560 --> 02:30:35,560
so we couldn't come back and honestly tell you,
Hey, we can fill in these 46 clients with another 46.

1158
02:30:43,240 --> 02:30:43,240
there's not a guarantee for that. Okay. So when you were doing the redesign was the oak
Farm transportation plan evaluated

1159
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:55,600
or considered when you were doing the design? Because I think there's a, it doesn't reconcile or maybe it does.

1160
02:31:00,360 --> 02:31:03,710
I mean, and that's the reason why we're in this place. So so I guess I'm trying to understand how did we do a redesign of the convention center
Without a transportation understanding when we had the oaks farms transportation plan in

1161
02:31:13,630 --> 02:31:13,630
place? I don't. And so that's. Or did it speak to that?

1162
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:18,150
so the oak farms plan and I'll turn that over to deb and to doctor ken,
Carly for the transportation perspective.

1163
02:31:27,070 --> 02:31:27,070
but from a convention center perspective, it didn't impact that 550ft.

1164
02:31:33,630 --> 02:31:33,630
it's, it's further back from there. And so I think that's where the we're left out of the
Conversation a little bit.

1165
02:31:40,190 --> 02:31:40,190
but deb, so thank you for the question. Related to oak farms.

1166
02:31:46,590 --> 02:31:46,590
so oak farms was a study and it was a study done by both the city of dallas and the north
Central texas council of

1167
02:31:56,510 --> 02:31:56,510
governments and as I understand it, the study was focused on cleaning up some of the the
Interactions

1168
02:32:07,030 --> 02:32:07,030
on the other side on the west side of the levees to to better align with coming into
Downtown.

1169
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:16,710
and so that study was finalized in late 2025.

1170
02:32:23,430 --> 02:32:23,430
and it proposed using the the, the viaducts,
The jefferson and the houston viaducts

1171
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:33,270
in a different way. So the current configuration of the viaducts is we have two lanes from
Downtown going across

1172
02:32:42,830 --> 02:32:42,830
southbound. We have one lane of streetcar and we have one lane of pedestrian.

1173
02:32:48,670 --> 02:32:48,670
and we currently utilize jefferson with again,
Four lanes available to us, one bike lane and three lanes of inbound

1174
02:32:59,300 --> 02:32:59,300
traffic coming in northbound into into the city.

1175
02:33:04,300 --> 02:33:04,300
what? Oak farms proposed on the north part, which is,
You know, as it enters into the city,

1176
02:33:11,420 --> 02:33:11,420
that jefferson would become a two way vehicular street,
Reducing the number of northbound lanes coming

1177
02:33:21,180 --> 02:33:21,180
in to two lanes and maintaining two lanes going out,
As well as shifting the bike lane into

1178
02:33:31,980 --> 02:33:31,980
onto onto houston, excuse me, and introducing a greenway lane.

1179
02:33:38,740 --> 02:33:38,740
so we were going to be taking one of those lanes and,
You know, removing it from any kind of transportation consideration.

1180
02:33:46,660 --> 02:33:46,660
and so that is the oak farms study and the conclusion of that study.

1181
02:33:51,980 --> 02:33:51,980
again, it is a study. It has not been funded,
But that was that was the summary of the plan.

1182
02:34:00,700 --> 02:34:00,700
so does the current configurations that we've seen in transportation,
Does it maintain the spirit of the oak farms transportation plan

1183
02:34:10,380 --> 02:34:10,380
and keep the connections between the southern part of our city into downtown?

1184
02:34:16,100 --> 02:34:16,100
it does. The presentation to the transportation committee on the 19th provided a ultimate
Connectivity

1185
02:34:26,660 --> 02:34:26,660
scenario that shows maintaining that configuration up until a certain point where we have
To,

1186
02:34:36,660 --> 02:34:36,660
where we are making some transitions. It is,
You know, what we call the south connector, but essentially we're maintaining that same

1187
02:34:47,660 --> 02:34:51,580
that same spirit throughout most of, of, of the project. And what about. Okay. And what about vehicular capacity?

1188
02:34:59,090 --> 02:34:59,090
is that still maintained? Because I believe that is kind of what the rub is.

1189
02:35:03,930 --> 02:35:03,930
and I don't know, was is that I do believe we need to maintain vehicular capacity.

1190
02:35:10,250 --> 02:35:10,250
it may not be in the same detailed as that we've seen in the transportation plan or as
It's now,

1191
02:35:18,410 --> 02:35:18,410
but I and I guess we need to understand what are those vehicular counts that are current
And does it maintain the vehicular capacity?

1192
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:28,530
it does. And I'm talking about the permanent and the construction is construction.

1193
02:35:33,250 --> 02:35:33,250
day one is day one, but does it. And so as the final version and can be funded,
What the what the final version that we shared with transportation

1194
02:35:43,090 --> 02:35:43,090
again, maintain that spirit of two lanes either way on jefferson.

1195
02:35:50,210 --> 02:35:50,210
and then we've got an additional lane coming in and off because we've introduced a new
Ramp that would connect

1196
02:36:00,010 --> 02:36:00,010
jefferson directly into the convention center and so would provide a new access point.

1197
02:36:05,810 --> 02:36:05,810
we've also rerouted that ramp that you talked about that's coming off of jefferson,
Where it currently is.

1198
02:36:15,690 --> 02:36:19,170
and we're, we're basically connecting jefferson to houston. So you maintain that direct connection into downtown.

1199
02:36:23,970 --> 02:36:23,970
so you have a couple of ways to get into downtown,
But in terms of capacity and the lane capacity that is maintained.

1200
02:36:33,650 --> 02:36:33,650
okay. Also to how, how did we get here? It seems like there's a lot of,
I guess, misinformation to as well as there's not been a lot of

1201
02:36:43,650 --> 02:36:43,650
robust public conversations and, and, and, but correct me if I'm wrong,
Because I'm trying to understand,

1202
02:36:51,480 --> 02:36:51,480
you know, where we are and why we got here. If this is supposed to be the most valuable
Investment in downtown.

1203
02:36:57,720 --> 02:36:57,720
why are we here? I'll take that one. I think there have been a number of robust public
Conversations,

1204
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:09,440
and I, I am not a traffic engineer or an engineer of any kind. And I think maybe some of our communication issues have been that we've been asking our
Engineers to try to explain a very complex construction project.

1205
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:18,120
but as a layperson, I'll just say the number of lanes in and the number of lanes out are
Going to be exactly the same.

1206
02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:27,360
the access from oak cliff in southern dallas will be the same. It's the same traffic lanes in and the same traffic lanes out.

1207
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:34,200
we're not closing anything. We're not demolishing anything. We're not. There is no closure. We're just rerouting traffic on a detour ramp,
Which will still provide the same access into downtown and the

1208
02:37:44,040 --> 02:37:44,040
same access out of downtown. And I don't think we've done a fabulous job as a staff of
Explaining that in very simple terms.

1209
02:37:53,360 --> 02:37:53,360
and have probably over relied on our engineers to try to explain and I'll take,
I'll take responsibility for that.

1210
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:01,000
this is a very complicated project and a very personal project,
Obviously, to the neighbors who care so much about what's happening.

1211
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:09,000
and I appreciate that. It was hard to listen to some of the comments earlier where people
Were talking about the demolition of the historic viaducts.

1212
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:19,760
we're not touching the viaducts. In fact, there's a grant to improve the viaducts. Everyone values the viaducts. We're just talking about how we currently ramp jefferson
Into downtown,

1213
02:38:25,360 --> 02:38:28,160
changing to a little bit of a different ramp into downtown. And, and so to your point, all of the community meetings and all of the robust
Conversation may not have been effective given how complex the project is.

1214
02:38:37,720 --> 02:38:41,320
and we haven't bottom lined it for people the way we probably should have. So what has been our investment in the convention center?

1215
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:45,040
what is it's going to be after it's all said and done. The total total we are in the
Convention center itself is 3.080 billion

1216
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:54,800
in term, and that's the construction cost. So that includes what we're paying.

1217
02:38:59,440 --> 02:38:59,440
trinity alliance, etc.. And then there's about 262 million of soft costs.

1218
02:39:05,000 --> 02:39:05,000
so things like environmentals replanting, those type of things that had to be done along
The way as we did the project.

1219
02:39:13,400 --> 02:39:13,400
so it's about a $4 billion investment. No, that's about 3.2,
3.2.

1220
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:22,720
okay. Yes. And so I mean, that is saying yes to downtown. And I don't see any green shirts around, but this is one of the biggest investments in
Downtown happening now.

1221
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:29,600
and but the problem is, is we've seen that we're hitting it right now with,
With out of convention ecosystem.

1222
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:37,920
it's hitting our sales tax dollars. I mean, that is real and it trickles around.

1223
02:39:43,080 --> 02:39:43,080
but we also cannot forget that we also have residents who live here in businesses.

1224
02:39:48,990 --> 02:39:52,670
so I guess my question to you guys is how do we get back on track? You don't have to tell me that now. It's like I I'm hoping somebody has that because we
Can't.

1225
02:39:58,990 --> 02:39:58,990
I mean, I'm for keeping city hall and but if we don't have a convention center,
Then that means we don't have 30 acres.

1226
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:06,070
then why would we get rid of city hall? So I have a vested interest to say,
Let's not let's go with the status quo and approve it as.

1227
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:14,790
but I don't want to do that because I understand what it means to our ecosystems,
Tourism and for conventions.

1228
02:40:23,950 --> 02:40:23,950
but I also know that we cannot cut off half of our city.

1229
02:40:28,150 --> 02:40:28,150
so I'm hoping that somebody comes with a really good,
You know moment and say, this is the path forward because we can't kill one part of

1230
02:40:37,990 --> 02:40:37,990
our of our city for the for the sake of something else,
And.

1231
02:40:43,790 --> 02:40:43,790
and I don't believe that we I believe we got smart people in the room.

1232
02:40:48,190 --> 02:40:48,190
I mean, we've got engineers, we've got architects,
And we've got people that can figure it out.

1233
02:40:54,430 --> 02:40:54,430
and I may hope that there will be somebody who says,
Let's take a time out and figure it out,

1234
02:40:59,310 --> 02:40:59,310
but we cannot we can't stall because I think a year will really harm us.

1235
02:41:06,590 --> 02:41:10,070
and believe me, I've got a vested interest in it failing. Because if I want to keep this building. But I'm not going to go there because I don't
Think that's leadership. And I don't think that's right. But I don't want to harm our

1236
02:41:18,030 --> 02:41:21,510
residents that live south of, of, of our downtown. Thank you. Chairwoman stewart, you recognized for five minutes.

1237
02:41:26,750 --> 02:41:26,750
thank you, mayor johnson. So as you all have been talking,
I've been watching some of our speakers out here and they're shaking their

1238
02:41:36,270 --> 02:41:36,270
heads. No, like this doesn't either. It doesn't make sense or they don't agree.

1239
02:41:43,540 --> 02:41:43,540
so my question is how are we going to continue to engage this community so that we can
Rebuild the trust?

1240
02:41:51,220 --> 02:41:51,220
and they do believe you when we say, because I heard on the news last night,
One of our local stations said,

1241
02:41:58,500 --> 02:41:58,500
we're taking down both viaducts. And I looked at my husband and went,
Oh, well, I won't tell you what I said.

1242
02:42:04,180 --> 02:42:04,180
you don't want to know. I mean, I couldn't believe that that was being reported as factual
When I know that is not

1243
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:14,100
factual, but they don't believe that yet. So I'm going to strongly,
Strongly encourage that.

1244
02:42:21,020 --> 02:42:21,020
we continue to do community meetings and outreach and the type of community meetings where
It's not staff sitting here

1245
02:42:31,020 --> 02:42:31,020
and everybody else sitting in the audience. We do lots of those,
But I find sitting around a table together with

1246
02:42:40,780 --> 02:42:40,780
this right that you all have provided all of us today,
And just passing out pens and paper,

1247
02:42:47,420 --> 02:42:50,220
and people go around and they get to ask questions. What does this mean? Why did you make this decision?

1248
02:42:52,740 --> 02:42:52,740
what if I'm coming from this direction? Whatever it is,
Some really just, you know, not fancy,

1249
02:43:00,620 --> 02:43:00,620
but just conversational type of community outreach.

1250
02:43:05,900 --> 02:43:05,900
and I think one thing I also said earlier is that if we could find a way so that during
Construction and maybe even during the period of time when it's all first

1251
02:43:15,460 --> 02:43:15,460
opened, that for residents who could point to you and say,
You know, that sign doesn't make sense,

1252
02:43:21,340 --> 02:43:21,340
or we don't have a sign that says this we're doing this right now.

1253
02:43:26,500 --> 02:43:30,500
construction projects are hard on a neighborhood. We have 635 east that is just about to wrap up.

1254
02:43:34,060 --> 02:43:37,050
we've changed intersections and I won't even go into all that. It's completely off topic, but we need to engage our residents on that.

1255
02:43:42,290 --> 02:43:42,290
they need to have some input because they drive it every day and they can tell you this,
That and the other is missing or needs some help.

1256
02:43:51,770 --> 02:43:51,770
so that is my first point. And then we now talk about this as a reroute,
Which that makes sense to me.

1257
02:44:00,250 --> 02:44:03,450
is there anything else about the rerouting that you all want to say? Do you think we've pretty much covered that or.

1258
02:44:06,170 --> 02:44:06,170
I mean, it's, it's a reroute that starts about 550ft from yonge street.

1259
02:44:12,850 --> 02:44:12,850
is that correct? Yes, that is correct. And thank you for for your feedback on the
Community engagement.

1260
02:44:20,970 --> 02:44:20,970
it is, it is well received and is certainly the commitment of this team to continue that
Robust community engagement that

1261
02:44:30,930 --> 02:44:30,930
you've requested or, or do do a better job with the community engagement,
But with respect to connectivity.

1262
02:44:38,970 --> 02:44:38,970
these are direct connectors. We're going to be you're going to be coming to that same
Point.

1263
02:44:44,850 --> 02:44:44,850
and instead of going straight, you're going to go across a,
A bridge and connect to young and houston,

1264
02:44:52,890 --> 02:44:52,890
you have another direct connect route that will take you to hotel off of jefferson and
Connect

1265
02:45:03,250 --> 02:45:03,250
you directly with the mobility hub right into the convention center.

1266
02:45:08,050 --> 02:45:08,050
and you can get in and you can get out. And so you know,
This idea that we're eliminating or removing

1267
02:45:17,450 --> 02:45:17,450
connection is, is, is really something that we want to correct.

1268
02:45:23,210 --> 02:45:23,210
thank you. Okay. Thank you. Let me just wrap up with this statement.

1269
02:45:29,610 --> 02:45:29,610
I cannot support returning the convention center to its original height.

1270
02:45:33,960 --> 02:45:33,960
doing so would require redesign and additional review,
Which would delay construction and increase project costs.

1271
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:40,960
it would also extend the time during which we wouldn't have the convention center,
Which would result in lost economic activity and reduced hotel occupancy tax.

1272
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:50,920
our focus should be on delivering the project efficiently and avoiding unnecessary costs
And delays,

1273
02:45:56,920 --> 02:45:56,920
and I made a list of losses that were noted during the speakers,
And they talked about losses to the workers in the hospitality industry.

1274
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:10,200
I assume that's losses of jobs or wages or whatever. And then also the impact of that loss to their families.

1275
02:46:13,520 --> 02:46:13,520
that's a huge loss to delay this any further.

1276
02:46:17,560 --> 02:46:20,080
it talked about the loss of our trust and credibility. If we delay this and all of the customers who are waiting out there to come and have their
Conventions here.

1277
02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:26,200
and then finally there was the loss of the arts community because of the hot tax
Decreasing.

1278
02:46:30,880 --> 02:46:30,880
so the delay will be costly in so many different ways.

1279
02:46:36,280 --> 02:46:36,280
that I believe we need to move forward. So I support voting against item 90.

1280
02:46:42,120 --> 02:46:42,120
thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairman west, you recognized for five minutes.

1281
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:47,000
thank you mayor. The really unfortunate thing about today is that the way this has been
Rolled out by staff has pitted council member

1282
02:46:56,840 --> 02:46:56,840
versus council member oak cliff versus the convention center and neighbors versus visit
Dallas,

1283
02:47:04,360 --> 02:47:04,360
where it all could have been avoided with better community engagement and more
Transparency from staff.

1284
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:11,120
I agree with many of the district one residents who showed up today,
And the hundreds more who have contacted my office in recent weeks to those who are

1285
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:21,000
here today. Thank you for taking the time off work,
Child care duties and other responsibilities to advocate your presence shows just how

1286
02:47:29,950 --> 02:47:29,950
important this is for southern dallas. There is an overwhelming consensus in my district
That the convention centers development should not come at the expense of oak cliff

1287
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:39,670
residents and our connection to downtown commissioner doctor elba garcia,
Representative jessica gonzalez and the dallas morning news editorial board have each

1288
02:47:49,470 --> 02:47:49,470
made strong arguments in support of this position in approving item 90.

1289
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:54,230
while I have previously and I still support the convention center and understand its
Economic impact,

1290
02:48:00,510 --> 02:48:00,510
I cannot support moving forward with a plan that limits oak cliff's connection to
Downtown,

1291
02:48:05,870 --> 02:48:05,870
especially after decades of this city making decisions that leave southern dallas behind
And bridges that have already come down because of the I-30

1292
02:48:15,590 --> 02:48:15,590
canyon project. I have some questions. So, rosa,
You mentioned in a response to councilwoman blackmon that it was may

1293
02:48:25,090 --> 02:48:25,090
2025 that you came up with the cost savings proposal,
Right?

1294
02:48:31,150 --> 02:48:31,150
that's correct. And we weren't informed as a council until january 2026,
Or I think it was actually maybe february 2026 about the

1295
02:48:40,710 --> 02:48:40,710
viaduct's impact. That's that's not correct in 2024.

1296
02:48:47,190 --> 02:48:47,190
we had a schematic that we showed you and that included a plan to contract with hntb
Through an

1297
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:57,190
rfq and rfp process and the, the language in that.

1298
02:49:01,630 --> 02:49:01,630
and what we told council at the time through transportation,
They were they were acquired for us,

1299
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:06,710
but their work was through transportation and public works was that there would be a
Realignment and restructuring of the viaducts.

1300
02:49:17,550 --> 02:49:21,470
and so at the time, or of the 550ft after the viaducts. And so that was something that was council approved and we move forward with that.

1301
02:49:27,740 --> 02:49:27,740
so we started the conversation about it in 2024.

1302
02:49:32,500 --> 02:49:32,500
and I think because this is my opinion and I agree with our assistant city manager robin
Bentley,

1303
02:49:40,900 --> 02:49:40,900
that maybe because this was in different departments,
The idea of it wasn't as clear and we should have maybe followed the model that we did

1304
02:49:50,140 --> 02:49:50,140
with the convention center, which is my commitment,
Which you all applauded our engagement philosophy and our outreach plan at the time that

1305
02:49:59,700 --> 02:50:03,500
went out and really did a, a global look at the project. And so it really started in 2024 with the conversation about interrupting that 550ft.

1306
02:50:12,060 --> 02:50:12,060
well, I wrote down what you replied to councilwoman blackmon about the fact that the
Viaducts were discussed and the impact was discussed in january of 26,

1307
02:50:21,940 --> 02:50:24,420
and there was nothing mentioned about 24 until right now. Well, I don't think that that was her exact question,
I apologize.

1308
02:50:28,540 --> 02:50:28,540
but I think her question was when we when we brought the schematics back and what that
Interim time was.

1309
02:50:34,900 --> 02:50:34,900
so specifically as it relates to that 550ft began as a conversation in 2024.

1310
02:50:42,380 --> 02:50:42,380
and I can I can turn to director ken corley and talk about that procurement and then the
Intention of using hntb for that.

1311
02:50:50,860 --> 02:50:50,860
those were both approved at the same time. One gresham,
Which was dealing with cadiz and then the one that was to deal with the 550ft after the

1312
02:51:00,380 --> 02:51:00,380
viaducts. Okay. Well, I've seen schematics from 2025 that still have the viaducts going
Underneath and connecting to young.

1313
02:51:07,500 --> 02:51:11,060
so this is all news to me that I've never heard before today. So I it's okay rosa, we can I do want to hear the answer,
But I want to get through my time.

1314
02:51:15,660 --> 02:51:15,660
absolutely. And I'll give you a chance to respond to that. So the oak farm study,
We did talk about that.

1315
02:51:23,130 --> 02:51:23,130
and that was a two year study that was done in conjunction with transportation department,

1316
02:51:28,810 --> 02:51:28,810
txdot, and also the north central texas council of governments,
With michael morris personally being involved.

1317
02:51:36,250 --> 02:51:36,250
why why was michael morris in the cog not consulted with the northern connection of the
Viaducts as part of the convention center design,

1318
02:51:46,010 --> 02:51:46,010
given the fact that the oak farm study was going on during the same time.

1319
02:51:53,210 --> 02:51:53,210
so working I mean, we were working together with the convention center on the development
Of the,

1320
02:52:00,410 --> 02:52:00,410
of the plan. And the initial discussions were to incorporate the findings from the oak
Farms into the

1321
02:52:11,050 --> 02:52:11,050
into the overall plan for the convention center.

1322
02:52:15,290 --> 02:52:15,290
so we've had conversations with the north central council of governments on the progress
Of the convention center.

1323
02:52:25,330 --> 02:52:25,330
okay, well, it's not exactly what I asked, but my point is,
Just to get back to the fact that there was the discussion of the transportation piece

1324
02:52:35,490 --> 02:52:35,490
never happened with any of the convention center alignments until this year when we
Started asking for information about it.

1325
02:52:44,210 --> 02:52:44,210
so on the public meeting piece, we were asking for public meetings.

1326
02:52:51,090 --> 02:52:51,090
council member johnson and I called for a public meeting in oak cliff.

1327
02:52:55,330 --> 02:52:55,330
we were getting resistance from a public meeting early on,
And we were being forced into a virtual meeting.

1328
02:53:00,290 --> 02:53:00,290
why was there resistance from staff and having public meetings in the february time frame
On this topic?

1329
02:53:09,010 --> 02:53:11,250
I don't remember any resistance to public meetings. Council member. In fact, I think we've all spent many of our weekends out in your district
Talking about this issue.

1330
02:53:16,930 --> 02:53:16,930
and I don't I don't remember there being any pushback on having public meetings.

1331
02:53:21,290 --> 02:53:21,290
we know what an important issue this is. It's obviously a very important issue for the
Community.

1332
02:53:26,490 --> 02:53:26,490
you know, I I've been hopeful that staff would find a solution to get us out of this mess.

1333
02:53:31,450 --> 02:53:31,450
I'm disappointed to say that that, you know,
The attempts have come up short.

1334
02:53:36,050 --> 02:53:36,050
the only decent option that I've seen is the future connectivity option,
But that has no funding and no approval from the union pacific railroad.

1335
02:53:43,570 --> 02:53:43,570
I can't support that option on a mere promise and hope that it might one day happen.

1336
02:53:48,570 --> 02:53:48,570
the option before us will reduce traffic lanes and increase congestion during
Construction.

1337
02:53:54,690 --> 02:53:54,690
oak cliff drivers would be faced with a ten minute travel delay in the morning,
Five minutes in the evening,

1338
02:53:59,570 --> 02:53:59,570
and after four years of that headache, oak cliff residents will still face nearly seven
Minute delays in the morning and three minutes in the evening.

1339
02:54:06,690 --> 02:54:06,690
once the convention center opens. I understand that the construction may lead to temporary
Delays,

1340
02:54:11,970 --> 02:54:11,970
and that is understandable, but we have to find a better long term solution at a at a time
When downtown is struggling.

1341
02:54:19,360 --> 02:54:19,360
we shouldn't be cutting off access. We should be improving it to oak cliff.

1342
02:54:24,320 --> 02:54:24,320
while I understand and share the concerns that some of my colleagues have about delays to
The convention center,

1343
02:54:29,320 --> 02:54:29,320
if we rush this and get this wrong, we are making a decision that cannot be undone and
Will impact oak cliff for decades.

1344
02:54:36,200 --> 02:54:36,200
convention centers are like arenas. They last about 35 years,
Whereas these bridges can last hundreds of years.

1345
02:54:42,680 --> 02:54:42,680
the worst thing we could do to to to I'm going to skip that.

1346
02:54:46,840 --> 02:54:46,840
so my my vote is to approve this item, raise the convention center back up to its original
Height,

1347
02:54:52,840 --> 02:54:52,840
and give the design team clear direction to maintain viaduct access.

1348
02:54:57,120 --> 02:54:57,120
thank you. Councilmember, could I just respond to some of your your comments that I very
Much appreciate since

1349
02:55:07,280 --> 02:55:07,280
our transportation committee meeting on on the 19th our team has continued to work on
Refining our

1350
02:55:17,240 --> 02:55:17,240
traffic models, and I'm happy to report that we've reduced the the change in time during
The construction scenario,

1351
02:55:26,560 --> 02:55:26,560
as well as when the convention center opens with the with the ramp up,
We're going to.

1352
02:55:33,160 --> 02:55:33,160
in that one hour in the morning, we're going to see that reduction go down 2 to 3 minutes
After the ramp is completed,

1353
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:42,080
and we've reduced the the ten minute delay by several minutes also.

1354
02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:47,840
and and I and I do think that that it's important to recognize that we have taken the
Feedback that you've shared from public meetings very

1355
02:55:57,480 --> 02:55:57,480
seriously with respect to the direct connector and have been making progress on the
Funding.

1356
02:56:03,240 --> 02:56:03,240
you know, we continue to work on making sure that we're able to fund both of those
Transportation elements.

1357
02:56:11,510 --> 02:56:13,550
you talked about not talking to michael morris. We spoke to michael morris extensively about helping with the funding of these elements,
As well as working with the up railroad.

1358
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:21,990
and he has agreed to to do that, to work with us on funding.

1359
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:28,630
I don't know if if rosa or robin want to add some more about other funding opportunities.

1360
02:56:34,310 --> 02:56:34,310
so we are making progress to make what you would like to see a reality.

1361
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:40,150
thank you so much. Thank you. Deb, if I could,
I could add to the funding component.

1362
02:56:45,270 --> 02:56:45,270
and so we have already, if you recall, we asked permission and received resolution to
Allow us to submit a state infrastructure bank

1363
02:56:55,190 --> 02:56:55,190
loan application to texdot or sablan, as we termed it in the resolution.

1364
02:57:01,750 --> 02:57:01,750
and so we are on our second iteration. They'll be making a decision in august,
But the priority items that we put in it after speaking to them were

1365
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:11,830
this very thing where for the both the temporary solution,
The down ramp and the long term solution.

1366
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:19,510
we then have talked to other partners at the state to talk about next steps in developing
A funding plan.

1367
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:27,590
they're amenable to it. And we had a great conversation yesterday with michael morris
Committing to the partnership of helping us deliver a solution that works

1368
02:57:37,310 --> 02:57:37,310
for both north oak cliff and the rest of oak cliff as well.

1369
02:57:41,590 --> 02:57:41,590
and so I think we're that's why assistant city manager rastogi feels confident in that.

1370
02:57:52,830 --> 02:57:55,430
okay. Chairman gracey resendez for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I will be supporting this motion.

1371
02:58:00,030 --> 02:58:00,030
but but I too, wrote a couple of comments in the I think the biggest one that I heard was
Many were treated as an afterthought,

1372
02:58:10,020 --> 02:58:10,020
and I don't think anybody around here can disagree with how all of this evolved.

1373
02:58:14,620 --> 02:58:14,620
so, robin, I want to thank you for taking responsibility and owning how we ended up here.

1374
02:58:20,020 --> 02:58:20,020
and then and then thank you for saying the other piece that that I think has gotten lost
In a lot of this communication is that,

1375
02:58:26,300 --> 02:58:26,300
and I'm going to ask it in a question just so I can make sure before,
During and after traffic.

1376
02:58:32,540 --> 02:58:32,540
let me start to after construction, after construction,
Before construction.

1377
02:58:36,940 --> 02:58:36,940
how many lanes are there currently right now that are functioning?

1378
02:58:41,900 --> 02:58:41,900
we currently have two lanes that are southbound,
And we have three lanes that are northbound coming into into the city.

1379
02:58:51,820 --> 02:58:51,820
and after construction, regardless of the routes after construction,
How many lanes will we have?

1380
02:58:57,620 --> 02:58:57,620
we'll have the same number of lanes coming in and we'll have the opportunity for a third
Lane.

1381
02:59:05,420 --> 02:59:05,420
going out. Okay. All right. So for me, that was the bigger issue.

1382
02:59:11,260 --> 02:59:11,260
and the frustration about a lot of this is being a student of local government,
I think there were three opportunities that we could have avoided this when we were

1383
02:59:21,060 --> 02:59:21,060
having these discussions. And I think they've already talked about it. The the oak farms
Conversation with economic development,

1384
02:59:27,140 --> 02:59:30,860
the convention center, and all of the charrettes and everything that we've had out here. And then even with the transportation plan, all of these things,
And this is just a real time life case study of what happens when silos

1385
02:59:40,380 --> 02:59:43,700
impact the city. You have all of these people. So yes, you said, yeah, we did all of those things,
But all of these people, regardless of what side they're on,

1386
02:59:50,300 --> 02:59:50,300
don't feel that that happened, took place so much so that there are so many different
Narratives out there that it's gotten out of control.

1387
02:59:57,420 --> 02:59:57,420
and that's the piece that I really want to bring up in this,
Is we've got to start huddling up and rolling these things out in a way that the that the

1388
03:00:05,970 --> 03:00:09,650
public understands it. It doesn't feel nefarious. It doesn't there's no room for any accusations.

1389
03:00:12,650 --> 03:00:15,010
and everyone feels like they were included in that. So that's the fault here. It's not the solutions.

1390
03:00:18,850 --> 03:00:22,530
the solutions are coming. It's how it was rolled out and how it was communicating. Again, it's that ugly silos that were there. And as a result,
The narratives got out of control.

1391
03:00:27,970 --> 03:00:27,970
so again, I want to thank you all for that for,
For doing that, but we need to make sure that we're moving in the right direction.

1392
03:00:33,370 --> 03:00:33,370
from the very beginning, my issue was not just about the jefferson and houston bridges,
It was about all of them.

1393
03:00:40,770 --> 03:00:40,770
so I want to thank you for this because this is what was driving me crazy.

1394
03:00:45,530 --> 03:00:45,530
every exit there is, I think I counted at least ten exits coming into downtown from
Southern dallas that are under construction.

1395
03:00:53,730 --> 03:00:53,730
and that's the piece. So it's yeah, this construction is only going to cost us charge you
Ten,

1396
03:00:58,170 --> 03:00:58,170
ten minutes this day or this time. But with every one of these things under construction,
People are going to be trying to find alternate routes.

1397
03:01:05,490 --> 03:01:05,490
so it's going to be bigger than that. And that's the part that I did not appreciate.

1398
03:01:09,570 --> 03:01:13,410
when we roll these things out, is understanding the overall impact. Yes, we can get excited about the convention center.

1399
03:01:15,690 --> 03:01:15,690
we can get excited about the oak farms, we can get excited about these things.

1400
03:01:20,010 --> 03:01:20,010
but we we cannot get lost in the communication and making sure that everyone understands
What's happening here.

1401
03:01:26,250 --> 03:01:26,250
so if you can, can, can, are you able to walk me through this real quick?

1402
03:01:30,690 --> 03:01:30,690
I just want to go through each one of these to talk about how long hotel street looks
Like.

1403
03:01:35,530 --> 03:01:35,530
it'll be under construction, first half of 2026 to the second half of 2030.

1404
03:01:41,490 --> 03:01:41,490
do y'all have that lamar street to bottom? John 2020 second half of 2026 to right second
Half.

1405
03:01:49,730 --> 03:01:49,730
so to start with, this is a txdot produced document.

1406
03:01:55,530 --> 03:01:55,530
and the the schedule is as provided by texdot.

1407
03:01:59,680 --> 03:01:59,680
so it's under their purview. So for example,
On the first one, what you will see is that both john the

1408
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:09,840
the closure date for the first half. So it's being done in two halves.

1409
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:14,240
so it'll start, it closes on in the first half of 2026.

1410
03:02:19,960 --> 03:02:19,960
and then it opens up in the first half of 2030.

1411
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:26,640
and then the second piece is will close on the second half of 2026 at the moment.

1412
03:02:34,800 --> 03:02:34,800
and then opens up in the second half of 2027.

1413
03:02:39,480 --> 03:02:39,480
but, but basically from 2026 to 2031, basically all of these,
All or a portion of

1414
03:02:49,400 --> 03:02:52,480
these would be under construction. There will be under construction. So some of the bridges that they're showing on their deal will be completely closed,
Like you have,

1415
03:02:56,840 --> 03:02:56,840
for example, eckard is completely done. However,
For example, lamar and griffin will be done in halves.

1416
03:03:05,200 --> 03:03:05,200
so that's what this one is, is showing. So for example,
On the griffin street it shows that they closed the bridge in the first half of 2026 and

1417
03:03:14,400 --> 03:03:14,400
it should reopen in the second half of 2027 if everything stays on schedule fair,
Fair.

1418
03:03:20,480 --> 03:03:24,000
and again, I appreciate the fact that the disclaimer is this is tex dot's list. But again, I just want the public to know the very reason they're sitting here.

1419
03:03:28,840 --> 03:03:31,880
for many. For some, it's about jefferson, houston. For many, it's about all of these bridges being shut down.

1420
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:38,560
and again, it's progress. So I don't want to knock it like it's not progress. This is a good thing, but it's just how we communicate it to folks and what it can cause
We're here now almost having to,

1421
03:03:46,280 --> 03:03:46,280
you know, potentially pay more or whatever this outcome is because of the communication
Period.

1422
03:03:52,440 --> 03:03:52,440
we cannot operate in these silos, and we have to be huddling up and thinking about these
Things and rolling them out.

1423
03:03:58,270 --> 03:03:58,270
so again, I will be supporting this. But again,
I want to thank you all for taking accountability for it,

1424
03:04:03,190 --> 03:04:03,190
but also making it clear that the same number of lanes that are currently operating on the
Other side of this,

1425
03:04:10,190 --> 03:04:10,190
that will be the same number lanes with just some some routes and thank you.

1426
03:04:15,830 --> 03:04:18,590
I want to do it so publicly, so bad, but I'm not going to do it. She grew hard. I did it anyway. But but for those for saying that that part though,
That the,

1427
03:04:27,270 --> 03:04:30,350
the, and I lost my thought the lanes. I'm going to stop. Thank you. I, I'm glad I could make you. Deputy mayor pro tem be recognized for

1428
03:04:40,230 --> 03:04:43,550
five minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Councilman. Gracey for bringing those points up,
Because that's one of the points I wanted to make that before construction.

1429
03:04:52,310 --> 03:04:52,310
during construction. That and even after construction,
Those points that you made.

1430
03:04:57,710 --> 03:04:57,710
but I want to ask mr. Doctor carly, just on record.

1431
03:05:02,030 --> 03:05:04,750
I know it may sound a little redundant, but it's important. Will we still have access to downtown from southern dallas during construction?

1432
03:05:11,630 --> 03:05:11,630
so during construction, the answer is yes. The during construction,
You will have the detour basically from

1433
03:05:21,070 --> 03:05:21,070
jefferson onto houston, where we're converting houston into two way with the direct access
Into downtown after construction,

1434
03:05:28,950 --> 03:05:28,950
will we have the same capacity as before? I know that's what councilman gracey just asked,

1435
03:05:34,470 --> 03:05:38,310
but I want to ask that question again. So yes,
The number of lanes. As assistant city manager rastogi mentioned,
There will be the same number of lanes as currently is.

1436
03:05:46,750 --> 03:05:46,750
the reason why I want to ask that, because I made a statement before and I said I would
Not support anything that takes away access from southern

1437
03:05:56,420 --> 03:05:56,420
dallas. I've been living in southern dallas all my life,
And so I know that there has been some concerns of whether it's working in silos or

1438
03:06:05,820 --> 03:06:05,820
whatever that may be, but to make sure that we're on record and that it has been said and
And clarified that we will southern dallas

1439
03:06:15,620 --> 03:06:15,620
will still have access doing construction and after construction.

1440
03:06:21,060 --> 03:06:21,060
now, we understand that during the construction piece,
There's going to be some delays.

1441
03:06:25,820 --> 03:06:25,820
there's going to be some, some frustration and some rerouting because of the,
Because of the work that's being done.

1442
03:06:32,380 --> 03:06:32,380
that's understandable. I, I, it happens in my district when we're working on streets,
We have to go a different route.

1443
03:06:38,260 --> 03:06:41,300
but after construction, we will have those lanes. And that's important to me. So the jefferson and houston viaducts are not closing
According to the plans,

1444
03:06:48,060 --> 03:06:48,060
not political games, not rumors, not falsified information,
But according to the plans, statements suggesting otherwise are not true.

1445
03:06:59,300 --> 03:06:59,300
that's inaccurate information that has been created unnecessarily and confusion among
Residents has happened.

1446
03:07:06,340 --> 03:07:06,340
I am I am not sure who created it. The false information.

1447
03:07:11,500 --> 03:07:11,500
but if we all look at the maps, we will all see that southern dallas has access to and
From downtown even during

1448
03:07:20,620 --> 03:07:20,620
construction. So I want to make sure that I'm on record.

1449
03:07:26,100 --> 03:07:29,180
and I'm asking you. I see you shake your head,
Miss rosa. Is this information factual, what I'm saying?

1450
03:07:33,380 --> 03:07:33,380
yes, sir. What you said is factual. So I'm going to support councilwoman blair.

1451
03:07:43,820 --> 03:07:47,060
we're. We're from southern dallas. Born and raised. She's from california, but she works diligently in southern dallas been working with us
Even when I was on school board.

1452
03:07:54,740 --> 03:07:57,980
pastor gracey, I said, we work together in southern dallas. And and I'm born and raised. Cedar crest went to roosevelt.

1453
03:08:01,140 --> 03:08:04,820
albert sidney johnston, o.w. Holmes. This is what I know I've done. I've done a lot of work in southern dallas advocating for equity.

1454
03:08:09,140 --> 03:08:09,140
and it's not equitable to have our community not have access to to downtown,
But it's also not equitable to have people lose their jobs and delay.

1455
03:08:20,780 --> 03:08:20,780
so when we use that word, let's use it holistically because I ran on equity,
I fight for equity.

1456
03:08:30,540 --> 03:08:30,540
and I want to appreciate you, miss rosen, concerning the meeting that count chair west and
I had,

1457
03:08:37,420 --> 03:08:39,700
I think the pushback was not really pushback. But I believe your son had graduation that night.

1458
03:08:42,500 --> 03:08:42,500
is that correct? He had his senior night. Yes,
He had a senior night.

1459
03:08:47,330 --> 03:08:47,330
I want to appreciate you because you stayed. You was trying to make a tough decision
Whether to go to support your son and then come and support chairman,

1460
03:08:56,490 --> 03:08:56,490
chair west and myself and our communities. And I had to go to you several times.

1461
03:09:01,170 --> 03:09:04,730
say we understand, but please leave to go see your son. And the reason why that's important, because my son,
I lost my son.

1462
03:09:08,570 --> 03:09:12,490
and I know the importance of being there for your children. So you gave up that night for us. And so I want to go publicly and say,
I appreciate you for putting this before your own family.

1463
03:09:20,450 --> 03:09:20,450
that's a sacrifice that you made. And so I just want our community to know,
When you're hearing all the rumors and all the falsified information,

1464
03:09:29,690 --> 03:09:29,690
I know not only do I serve as as a councilman,
But I serve this community as a pastor.

1465
03:09:36,610 --> 03:09:36,610
and my work extends far beyond this, this horseshoe.

1466
03:09:40,770 --> 03:09:44,090
and if nothing else, we have to walk with integrity and accountability. And we have to be honest with everybody, whether we're working in silos or not.

1467
03:09:47,930 --> 03:09:51,250
the truth of the matter is we're going to have access. Southern dallas is going to have access during construction and after construction,
And we're going to continue to work with our community.

1468
03:09:59,010 --> 03:10:02,930
and I don't wait on the administration to call for community meetings. It's my job to call for a community meeting. It's not their job.

1469
03:10:06,210 --> 03:10:06,210
it's their job to support to support us. So I want to make that clear.

1470
03:10:11,730 --> 03:10:15,610
we're not waiting on staff to do it. We're elected to do this job. So we're going to continue to call for community meetings and be accountable and
Transparent. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Miss cadena, you recognized for five minutes. So I want

1471
03:10:25,210 --> 03:10:25,210
to thank residents for attending the meeting today. I know you all had to take off time
From your jobs.

1472
03:10:33,010 --> 03:10:36,770
you know, our city can do community engagement really well. I've seen where we've taken the maps out. We've gotten the markers,
We do the sticky notes.

1473
03:10:43,240 --> 03:10:43,240
that didn't happen this time. And you know, when they came to my community and I thank you
All for showing up.

1474
03:10:51,240 --> 03:10:51,240
it was more of telling residents what the plan was and not taking the feedback they gave
To try to work it out.

1475
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:04,360
and you know, I'm a new council member, I was here. My, my council member was the chair of transportation,
And I don't recall any conversation about any modifications to the jefferson or the

1476
03:11:12,640 --> 03:11:12,640
houston viaducts. And I spent part of my childhood in oak cliff and in west dallas.

1477
03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:18,640
I grew up in both. Those are my communities. I still have family that live in both areas.

1478
03:11:23,960 --> 03:11:23,960
a lot of people that lived in west dallas end up moving to oak cliff and back and forth.

1479
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:29,920
and so, you know, I think where people are concerned is that they want to have the same
Access.

1480
03:11:36,240 --> 03:11:36,240
but the the concern is the loss of direct access into downtown.

1481
03:11:41,240 --> 03:11:41,240
and so you know, I, I'm looking at this map and there's even something new that I've never
Seen before,

1482
03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:47,920
which is the future ceremonial extension. So can I,
I would like to know about that because I,

1483
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:54,560
I've never seen this before. Thank you, council member for,
For your question.

1484
03:12:03,800 --> 03:12:03,800
the feedback on the on the community meetings the ceremonial extension is part of the
Convention center project.

1485
03:12:12,920 --> 03:12:12,920
and so you know what that is, is a, a new roadway that is going to connect from lamar over
Onto,

1486
03:12:23,600 --> 03:12:23,600
onto hotel and through. So it's a direct connector to the property that is,
Is there.

1487
03:12:30,120 --> 03:12:30,120
and that is, that is part of, you know, some of the transportation elements that are part
Of the convention center project.

1488
03:12:37,240 --> 03:12:37,240
so does that. So. The houston viaduct, we're not tearing that down,
But the portion going into direct access of downtown

1489
03:12:47,110 --> 03:12:47,110
during construction. How many lanes will we have going in and coming out of downtown there
From the portion from

1490
03:12:56,750 --> 03:12:56,750
houston and young up until a part where the where the garage ends,
What we'll have is we'll have two way

1491
03:13:06,550 --> 03:13:06,550
traffic during construction. And then we would have,
We would resume two way southbound traffic and you would have three lanes

1492
03:13:16,350 --> 03:13:20,310
coming in. That would reduce down to that one lane. That is that is the direct connector that would happen and would be retained through
Construction as well as until we are able to

1493
03:13:30,350 --> 03:13:30,350
build the bridge, the direct connector bridge that you see on some of the exhibits.

1494
03:13:34,590 --> 03:13:34,590
okay. So the portion that's in downtown, it will retain one road in and one road one one
Way out during

1495
03:13:44,070 --> 03:13:44,070
construction. Okay. That that is that is the temporary rerouting during construction.

1496
03:13:49,270 --> 03:13:49,270
and then I know we're working on the, the up railroad issue.

1497
03:13:54,910 --> 03:13:54,910
so if the construction, if the convention center is completed and we don't have the up
Railroad bridge,

1498
03:14:03,710 --> 03:14:03,710
do we maintain that one road in and one road out or what happens that that is correct.

1499
03:14:09,390 --> 03:14:09,390
we would maintain that. And the element that we're going to be adding is the ramp from
Jefferson to hotel through the mobility hub.

1500
03:14:17,990 --> 03:14:17,990
and so that will be adding that additional lane capacity to enter and and exit downtown.

1501
03:14:26,030 --> 03:14:26,030
and how many lanes are on the I guess it's called the new down ramp from jefferson during
That period.

1502
03:14:33,630 --> 03:14:33,630
there are there are three vehicular lanes to northbound one southbound as well as a bike
Lane.

1503
03:14:40,940 --> 03:14:40,940
okay. And then we've so I know the north

1504
03:14:51,260 --> 03:14:51,260
bridge and then there's the south, right. Are those in compliance with vision zero or will
There need to be any modifications.

1505
03:14:59,100 --> 03:14:59,100
because I actually drove them quite a bit on I think it was monday.

1506
03:15:04,180 --> 03:15:04,180
and so I'm wondering do those comply or would there need to be some modifications with
That.

1507
03:15:09,780 --> 03:15:09,780
so again, this is we're trying to finalize the traffic control plan,
Temporary traffic control plan for the construction condition.

1508
03:15:19,940 --> 03:15:19,940
there will be a new traffic control measures that will be introduced to slow down the
Traffic and make it safer to make

1509
03:15:29,660 --> 03:15:29,660
the turning points from a stop condition. Okay.

1510
03:15:36,860 --> 03:15:36,860
which brings me to my next question. Does a fire truck fit on the northern bridge or on
The southern bridge?

1511
03:15:46,980 --> 03:15:46,980
so this is one of the reasons why we're favoring the southern bridge,
Because the southern bridge has the wider turn lanes to allow for busses and potentially

1512
03:15:56,940 --> 03:15:56,940
the emergency response equipment. Okay. And so with.

1513
03:16:01,980 --> 03:16:01,980
so would we, I know we mentioned dart. Would that,
Would they be asked not to I guess, operate on the

1514
03:16:11,660 --> 03:16:11,660
bridge until construction is over? What is the plan for that,
That the dart busses should be able to continue to operate.

1515
03:16:19,100 --> 03:16:19,100
okay. And what about ambulances. I know that's been a concern with the community.

1516
03:16:25,060 --> 03:16:25,060
as far as the operation is concerned, they should be able to continue to operate.

1517
03:16:29,260 --> 03:16:29,260
okay. When did the conversations with the up railroad begin for the the,

1518
03:16:39,290 --> 03:16:39,290
the new bridge. So we've had high level conversations again as part of the convention
Center

1519
03:16:49,010 --> 03:16:49,010
because union pacific has been talking about looking at the whole area holistically.

1520
03:16:54,130 --> 03:16:57,490
and that includes the convention center as well. Any of the bridges in that vicinity, including this connector as well as the bridge?

1521
03:17:03,650 --> 03:17:03,650
okay. And do we have a cost breakdown for all of the upgrades that are going to be needed
At this point here?

1522
03:17:10,850 --> 03:17:10,850
this is super high level, and this is what was presented to the special transportation
Committee that shows the total of almost $97

1523
03:17:20,650 --> 03:17:20,650
million. That includes the down ramp as well as the potential bridge connector connector.

1524
03:17:27,410 --> 03:17:27,410
okay. And then a couple more questions. Has the council adopted the oak farm study?

1525
03:17:34,530 --> 03:17:34,530
or will we need to not, not we have not adopted it and brought it to council for adoption
Yet.

1526
03:17:42,130 --> 03:17:42,130
so it hasn't been funded yet. It has not been adopted.

1527
03:17:46,370 --> 03:17:46,370
okay. And then are we still we, there has been conversation of green space.

1528
03:17:53,450 --> 03:17:53,450
is that still a part of the plan that might move forward?

1529
03:18:01,730 --> 03:18:01,730
there's there's no there's no green space specifically in the plan at this point in time.

1530
03:18:11,050 --> 03:18:11,050
okay. And one of my concerns is I actually do have a pedestrian bridge in my district.

1531
03:18:16,930 --> 03:18:16,930
I think I may be one of the only ones. And we have quite a few safety concerns because
It's not a park,

1532
03:18:22,170 --> 03:18:22,170
but it acts like a park and it's under transportation or dallas water.

1533
03:18:26,440 --> 03:18:26,440
and so there's a lot of confusion on who has jurisdiction over that.

1534
03:18:30,680 --> 03:18:34,120
and it's actually used quite a bit by the community. But can pose some pretty big security issues as well.

1535
03:18:42,360 --> 03:18:42,360
I wanted to know how many meetings were held with convention professionals in preparation
For the convention center.

1536
03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:52,000
in total, from master planning to now 345 meetings.

1537
03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:01,360
that's quite a few. And you know, I know we have had some community meetings. I believe there's been 3 or 4. And, you know,
I think what concerns me is that we did not see that this was an issue until this year,

1538
03:19:11,880 --> 03:19:11,880
and there was nobody from the the community wasn't able to provide input until this came
Out.

1539
03:19:17,960 --> 03:19:17,960
so thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you're recognized for five minutes.

1540
03:19:24,040 --> 03:19:24,040
thank you mayor. You know, I made this motion for it to come to council and return to the
Original height,

1541
03:19:30,760 --> 03:19:30,760
number one, because we hadn't had any opportunity for the public to come down and have
Input because it had only been heard at committee.

1542
03:19:39,400 --> 03:19:39,400
and public seems to have a lot to say about this and it's not really positive if you
Haven't caught that.

1543
03:19:48,480 --> 03:19:48,480
the first I became aware of it, I will tell you is march at the transportation committee
Meeting.

1544
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:53,840
and we were presented a series of options. And although I rarely travel on the viaducts
Today

1545
03:20:03,640 --> 03:20:03,640
and can definitely live an entire life without going on them,
Given where my district is,

1546
03:20:11,520 --> 03:20:11,520
I'll just tell you, it was very easy to look at it and go,
This is a pretty bad idea.

1547
03:20:16,960 --> 03:20:16,960
and every single scenario was a pretty bad idea.

1548
03:20:21,040 --> 03:20:21,040
and the issue is that as we've asked staff to come back with better ideas,
The only thing I've seen happen is the same

1549
03:20:31,030 --> 03:20:31,030
ideas be brought forward and an intense lobbying effort of council members to flip them,
To agree,

1550
03:20:38,030 --> 03:20:38,030
to just let it go forward. And repeatedly, especially over the last year or two,
This council has been asked to make a very important

1551
03:20:47,710 --> 03:20:51,310
decision, not just about this issue, about many issues. And the question is, do you go with the business and developers,
Or do you go with what's best for the residents?

1552
03:20:58,950 --> 03:20:58,950
and I guess we're about to see where everybody stands on that.

1553
03:21:03,390 --> 03:21:06,350
but we see this time and again about housing issues. We're seeing this about this very building. And so I would say to you,
My colleagues,

1554
03:21:15,910 --> 03:21:15,910
business matters. We're a business city, but it doesn't matter more than our residents,
And cutting off a section

1555
03:21:26,030 --> 03:21:26,030
and making it harder for southern dallas to get into downtown after.

1556
03:21:32,510 --> 03:21:32,510
there is nobody on this council that hasn't been drilled over and over again about our
Needs to be able to serve this part of town.

1557
03:21:41,750 --> 03:21:41,750
we literally had people wearing connect the corps buttons about city hall,
And we're literally going to make it harder for them to get down here to get to their

1558
03:21:51,670 --> 03:21:51,670
jobs. Not just the jobs of the convention center,
Their jobs all over downtown.

1559
03:21:56,790 --> 03:21:56,790
and by the way, a lot of jobs that are north of downtown for as many bad comments there
Are about downtown these days.

1560
03:22:05,630 --> 03:22:05,630
I'm going to tell you, uptown is on fire. Have you seen it?

1561
03:22:11,310 --> 03:22:11,310
so we'll just have to say staff comes and goes.

1562
03:22:16,430 --> 03:22:16,430
council members come and go, but we have different missions and our mission is to
Represent the people.

1563
03:22:24,590 --> 03:22:24,590
so I hope you won't forget your people. I'd like to know who came up with this idea,
Because if you're going to lose 500 million on a project,

1564
03:22:34,390 --> 03:22:34,390
there's more than one way to do it. I was expecting to have a little bit less trim,
A little bit less flash,

1565
03:22:41,430 --> 03:22:41,430
not to have the convention center lowered. How did that idea happen?

1566
03:22:47,590 --> 03:22:47,590
absolutely. So we had several meetings. We worked with our design consultants and
Architects and our engineers.

1567
03:22:56,310 --> 03:22:56,310
we brought in about $3 billion worth of the clients who will be using the building and
Generating the revenue that results into hot

1568
03:23:06,630 --> 03:23:06,630
over a, I believe it was a three day period and walked through the design of what we could
Lose on the building in order to get to the

1569
03:23:16,300 --> 03:23:16,300
requested $500 million lowering of cost. And so we did several charrettes with them.

1570
03:23:23,900 --> 03:23:23,900
some of our some of our council people were involved in in greeting some of them.

1571
03:23:30,900 --> 03:23:30,900
we looked at interaction around the building and how that would result in the future
Development to rebuild what you're very talking about,

1572
03:23:40,660 --> 03:23:40,660
about developing downtown. And so it was a period of intensely looking at these things.

1573
03:23:47,420 --> 03:23:47,420
and in both scenarios, as I said, both in the may scenario of 2025 and the january
Scenario,

1574
03:23:53,500 --> 03:23:53,500
there was going to be some impact with that 550ft.

1575
03:23:58,500 --> 03:23:58,500
but there was a lot of discussion, a lot of looking at how we get rid of some of the
Things that you talked about,

1576
03:24:04,820 --> 03:24:04,820
some of the flash. So taking out two sets of of escalators,
For example, moving some of the elevators around.

1577
03:24:12,140 --> 03:24:12,140
those are the kind of things that fundamentally reduced the cost of a of a building of
This size.

1578
03:24:19,260 --> 03:24:19,260
well, it sounds to me like people who want to come here for tourism decided that they
Would like to have the cushy part of the convention center and

1579
03:24:29,220 --> 03:24:29,220
not really care about the residents who live here and what their traffic looks like.

1580
03:24:33,580 --> 03:24:33,580
you know, we're spending extra money on the for the convention center bird strikes,
Making sure we don't have bird strikes.

1581
03:24:40,020 --> 03:24:40,020
so we're going to spend money on that, but not making sure our people can get where they
Need to go.

1582
03:24:45,340 --> 03:24:45,340
so what does it mean when we say construction manager at risk?

1583
03:24:51,780 --> 03:24:51,780
what risk is that person taking? So the actual definition for construction manager at risk
Means that there's more risk upon the

1584
03:25:01,740 --> 03:25:01,740
the contracting agency than upon the city. And there's some shared risk as well.

1585
03:25:06,980 --> 03:25:06,980
are they taking though? What risk are they taking that if the cost is beyond the
Guaranteed maximum price.

1586
03:25:14,530 --> 03:25:14,530
some of that is borne by them. They take on more of the construction risks in the case of
Accidents,

1587
03:25:20,490 --> 03:25:20,490
etc.. So isn't that what happened then? The price is more than what was expected.

1588
03:25:26,530 --> 03:25:26,530
they are not the ones designing it, and at the time you don't pass it over to the
Construction manager until such time as you have the design.

1589
03:25:35,970 --> 03:25:39,490
so they didn't have it until they no longer have any risk. And then you get it. That's not the case. And so so what will they be at risk for?

1590
03:25:44,610 --> 03:25:44,610
councilwoman, I think you're conflating vendors. So the architects works on the design.

1591
03:25:49,290 --> 03:25:49,290
the construction manager risk came on later once the design was finalized and packages
Were brought to council.

1592
03:25:55,490 --> 03:25:55,490
I think we brought three so far for the convention center. That's correct. To guarantee
Components of pricing,

1593
03:26:01,490 --> 03:26:01,490
but the design was a completely separate process that didn't involve the c ma'am.

1594
03:26:06,050 --> 03:26:06,050
and I think that to add to that, that's one of the the reasons back before we started.

1595
03:26:11,210 --> 03:26:11,210
while we were still in the master planning phase,
There was hearty discussion with the council.

1596
03:26:17,330 --> 03:26:17,330
we brought options about whether the city, based on the policy recommendation from this
Body,

1597
03:26:24,730 --> 03:26:28,450
wanted to do design, build, design, bid, build or cmar. And so it was decided by this body to use a construction manager at risk.

1598
03:26:33,770 --> 03:26:33,770
and that is because we would be bringing you those guaranteed maximum prices or gmps as as
They're called,

1599
03:26:41,370 --> 03:26:41,370
so that you could see as the spend was progressing,
If there was something that you would like to push back on.

1600
03:26:48,130 --> 03:26:48,130
and so it was for that transparency that that construction manager at risk was selected as
The delivery model.

1601
03:26:56,370 --> 03:26:56,370
well, I have a whole different issue associated with that.

1602
03:27:01,730 --> 03:27:01,730
wasn't this project already behind schedule before this came up?

1603
03:27:07,890 --> 03:27:07,890
wasn't there a conversation about placing conventions in houston?

1604
03:27:12,560 --> 03:27:12,560
reported by the houston chronicle? That conversation came up just a few months ago when
There was a misspeak from the visit

1605
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:22,560
houston equivalent of our craig davis, right,
At a council meeting for which he has since apologized to visit dallas because he

1606
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:30,880
misspoke. And to directly answer your question,
No, the project has been on track on budget the entire time until this jefferson closure

1607
03:27:40,280 --> 03:27:40,280
issue arose. Is the master agreement with hunt a problem?

1608
03:27:47,120 --> 03:27:47,120
did you get approval from them about this? We've had communication with with the hunt's
Regarding

1609
03:27:57,560 --> 03:27:57,560
the reunion master agreement. We've collaborated with the city attorney's office in that
Response.

1610
03:28:03,800 --> 03:28:03,800
and so we're not at a place in which we need to receive their their approval.

1611
03:28:11,080 --> 03:28:11,080
thank you. So you said not. That is correct. The city attorney's office advised we were
Not at a place at this point.

1612
03:28:18,400 --> 03:28:18,400
we don't have a a finalized transportation plan.

1613
03:28:23,240 --> 03:28:23,240
we have had continual dialog with them. We have gotten on bus tours with them,
And we've met with them several times to share with them the solutions,

1614
03:28:32,400 --> 03:28:32,400
but we are not at a place to formally submit something to them.

1615
03:28:37,400 --> 03:28:40,680
and so that's, that was based on guidance from the city attorney's office. Right. But we're in continual meetings with the in fact,
They serve on the mayor's task force for the convention center. They're constantly giving

1616
03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:46,720
input. And so at the appropriate time, when called for under the agreement,
Of course, we'll get the appropriate approvals.

1617
03:28:52,840 --> 03:28:52,840
we're just not there yet. When is that time? What is the appropriate time?

1618
03:28:57,480 --> 03:28:57,480
because I think it says that they have to approve it before.

1619
03:29:03,040 --> 03:29:03,040
we'll have to work with the attorneys on that answer. But essentially it's when we are at
A point where we are ready to make a change in the area within a particular box.

1620
03:29:12,310 --> 03:29:14,590
and the way that the traffic moves in that area. And we're just not to that point quite yet, since we're having this conversation today,
Is the flyover that you're envisioning is that funded the flyover over the

1621
03:29:24,390 --> 03:29:24,390
up railroad? I think my time's not being stopped.

1622
03:29:30,070 --> 03:29:33,030
the bridge across uprr is not yet funded. That's correct. It is part of our cib loan package. And so if approved in august,
We would have sufficient funding to fund both the down ramp and the bridge across uprr.

1623
03:29:41,110 --> 03:29:43,950
if our full funding request is approved in august. I'm sorry that funding would be for design and construction.

1624
03:29:46,790 --> 03:29:49,750
we have the design funding for the down ramp already. That's part of the convention center construction fund,
The construction funding for the down ramp,

1625
03:29:55,230 --> 03:29:55,230
and then all of the funding for the bridge across uprr is included in our cib loan
Application with the state.

1626
03:30:02,270 --> 03:30:02,270
so the bridge across the railroad you're saying is funded.

1627
03:30:07,110 --> 03:30:11,110
if that goes through, if that funding design and construction. Correct. And what's that amount? We applied for a 116 million rows,
Is that correct.

1628
03:30:16,110 --> 03:30:16,110
we applied for 116 million. The total for these two projects with contingency is about 97
Million.

1629
03:30:29,390 --> 03:30:29,390
I find that very hard to believe. There's five there's four railroad tracks and then an
Extra right of way.

1630
03:30:37,670 --> 03:30:41,110
right. I think they told me they're going to build that fifth one. Right. The fifth one is part of their what they call future condition.

1631
03:30:46,550 --> 03:30:46,550
and so it's something that they ask us to plan for and they don't have a date certain in
The future of whether they will build it or not.

1632
03:30:55,190 --> 03:30:55,190
but if we just have to make capacity for it,
Should that ever occur.

1633
03:30:59,590 --> 03:30:59,590
and what's the timeline for that? Your time for this round. You have to wait for the next
One. We're going to go to mr.

1634
03:31:05,860 --> 03:31:05,860
roth for five minutes. Thank you. First of all,
You all were kind enough to meet with me several times.

1635
03:31:15,660 --> 03:31:15,660
I want to publicly appreciate you all for making the time,
Trying to explain it to me, and also addressing some of my questions and some of my

1636
03:31:24,700 --> 03:31:24,700
concerns. I'm taking up my time, but I want to thank you for trying to to solve my
Problems.

1637
03:31:31,700 --> 03:31:31,700
I also appreciate the fact that you're coming to the table in a collaborative,
More, more simply explaining

1638
03:31:41,300 --> 03:31:41,300
position and trying to make sure that we all understand it.

1639
03:31:45,420 --> 03:31:45,420
but I am now feeling much more comfortable myself that I wasn't the only one who didn't
Understand this deal.

1640
03:31:54,540 --> 03:31:54,540
and I think that's the biggest problem here. And,
And this is a very, very important project and it affects a lot of people.

1641
03:32:03,340 --> 03:32:03,340
the oak cliff community is directly impacted by the,
By the, by this, this project, the downtown

1642
03:32:12,780 --> 03:32:12,780
community is absolutely impacted by this, this project and the long term success of both
Oak cliff and downtown

1643
03:32:22,700 --> 03:32:22,700
is vital. I want this project built, but I want it to be built right.

1644
03:32:29,660 --> 03:32:29,660
I want this to be the the hub, this to be the anchor for this part of town,
To make this area flourish.

1645
03:32:38,140 --> 03:32:38,140
and if, if there's any, any restriction in connectivity to oak cliff and into the into the
Downtown area,

1646
03:32:45,380 --> 03:32:45,380
that's very problematic to me. Anyway, that's that's sort of a statement,
But I do have questions.

1647
03:32:52,020 --> 03:32:52,020
how long would it take to create a redesign? And I really want a realistic sort of
Business.

1648
03:32:59,650 --> 03:32:59,650
answer not forever. To redesign the convention center.

1649
03:33:05,010 --> 03:33:05,010
I just want to be clear. I'm sorry. Is the question about redesigning the convention?

1650
03:33:09,090 --> 03:33:09,090
what would be a reasonable but but business commercially reasonable time period to get
These people up to make a new design based on an

1651
03:33:19,090 --> 03:33:19,090
elevated building? What would be the time frame?

1652
03:33:23,450 --> 03:33:23,450
sure. Thank you for the question. So I we did have this question posed to both our
Architects and our construction team.

1653
03:33:31,930 --> 03:33:31,930
and so they were comfortable with saying it would take 7 to 7 months to a year.

1654
03:33:39,170 --> 03:33:39,170
and that is because, as I said earlier, to a council member,
Blackmon and council member.

1655
03:33:45,450 --> 03:33:45,450
stewart, it's due. Reduplicating. Some of the things that we've done.

1656
03:33:49,850 --> 03:33:52,650
if you're going to reorient a building, there's. We have to go back and light our again, which is scanning what's under there.

1657
03:33:57,330 --> 03:33:57,330
go back and work with our permitting office. Look again at how we're plot,
Plotting the area,

1658
03:34:03,130 --> 03:34:03,130
etc., and do some work in interaction with our partners.

1659
03:34:07,250 --> 03:34:07,250
obviously it would. It would require re-engagement with up,
Which we talked to frequently.

1660
03:34:12,930 --> 03:34:12,930
we talked to them almost on a weekly basis as we work through this project and since 2019.

1661
03:34:20,690 --> 03:34:20,690
so reduplicating that redesigning it, making sure getting it verified and doing the cost
Verification through the

1662
03:34:30,730 --> 03:34:30,730
cmaa would take seven months to a year. Thank you.

1663
03:34:35,930 --> 03:34:38,930
the drawings that you gave show two scenarios. The raised up diagram that shows if I, if I'm understanding your drawing,
Which I appreciate you're providing,

1664
03:34:46,410 --> 03:34:46,410
shows that under that raised up, there would be a 16.5ft clearance above jefferson.

1665
03:34:55,000 --> 03:34:55,000
is that correct? Am I looking at the right at the picture properly?

1666
03:34:59,680 --> 03:34:59,680
it is. It's not a clearance at that 16.5ft. There's an exhibition hall.

1667
03:35:08,120 --> 03:35:08,120
it's about 750,000ft². It is the it is the key thing that keeps us in that tier one
Position to compete with the chicago's,

1668
03:35:18,120 --> 03:35:18,120
etc. So that is what would sit along that 550 foot area.

1669
03:35:26,320 --> 03:35:26,320
I hope that I'm answering. Look at the previous the previous picture.

1670
03:35:34,840 --> 03:35:34,840
I want to make sure I'm answering your question correctly.

1671
03:35:45,160 --> 03:35:45,160
it is a great home. So if you're looking at at the page that said kb ccd design
Considerations.

1672
03:35:52,320 --> 03:35:52,320
yes. Correct. So on this what you see under grayed out in the back is,
Is the is the viaduct right.

1673
03:35:59,960 --> 03:36:03,040
that's what's behind it. It's not a clearance. Those are the great halls and they sit their base is at that hotel memorial street
Intersection.

1674
03:36:14,240 --> 03:36:14,240
right. What is at the viaduct level if you go up is at the time was just right under there
Was the,

1675
03:36:22,960 --> 03:36:22,960
was the ballroom. And then you have the pedestrian corridor between there.

1676
03:36:28,560 --> 03:36:28,560
I'm sorry, I'm looking at the picture at the one it says raised up kbhc,
C d diagram at jefferson viaduct at the bottom.

1677
03:36:41,560 --> 03:36:41,560
and I'm looking at the at the elevation drawing.

1678
03:36:45,640 --> 03:36:45,640
sure. The elevation drawing at the bottom says ground plane level.

1679
03:36:50,360 --> 03:36:50,360
correct. There's then an opening that says 16.5ft.

1680
03:36:54,920 --> 03:36:58,320
there's then a structure, mechanical exhibit hall. Are you looking at the same? I am looking at the same.

1681
03:37:01,320 --> 03:37:01,320
and it's got a picture of a truck going on jefferson through underneath the building.

1682
03:37:08,280 --> 03:37:08,280
is that correct? This is into the. Go ahead. This is.

1683
03:37:20,600 --> 03:37:20,600
correct on the original. Original. Yeah. I was wanting to clarify that this was based on
The original design when the building was elevated.

1684
03:37:30,320 --> 03:37:30,320
that's what I'm trying. That's what I'm trying to clarify because I'd never seen an
Original design. This was what the eye.

1685
03:37:35,840 --> 03:37:35,840
so there was an idea at one point that there would be vehicles going underneath the
Building,

1686
03:37:41,960 --> 03:37:41,960
and it would be unimpeded. And at that point in time.

1687
03:37:47,240 --> 03:37:47,240
so this drawing is actually you asked us a question a while ago about the original
Building.

1688
03:37:54,830 --> 03:37:54,830
so if we talk about that, the original building was schematically designed or rendered in
22 following when

1689
03:38:04,470 --> 03:38:04,470
we, after we hired the project manager in september of 2023,
Immediately thereafter, in october of 2023,

1690
03:38:14,150 --> 03:38:14,150
we were contacted by txdot who needed some lay down area.

1691
03:38:19,910 --> 03:38:19,910
they also needed to build what's called a shoofly over union pacific.

1692
03:38:24,670 --> 03:38:28,510
that's what caused us to have to shift the building over. And so it was no longer feasible to just have it go have that space between there in
Either design,

1693
03:38:35,510 --> 03:38:35,510
either the one we showed you in 2025 or the early 2026 model to be because we then had
Moved the building over.

1694
03:38:43,950 --> 03:38:43,950
and if you recall, I think you had just maybe come to council when we started the dialog
About purchasing the wfaa parking lot and the back

1695
03:38:53,230 --> 03:38:53,230
portion of the dallas morning news site. And so that move over that was precipitated by
The

1696
03:39:03,270 --> 03:39:03,270
by the need to provide that label over space so that we could build interstate 30 is what
Took us closer to the viaduct and having to go across it to

1697
03:39:13,030 --> 03:39:13,030
connect with that wfaa site and the dallas morning news site.

1698
03:39:18,110 --> 03:39:18,110
I hope that answers your question. Right. So what you're telling me is that there was this
Was an early conceptual design,

1699
03:39:27,030 --> 03:39:27,030
five years, you know, four years ago. Yes. During the master planning phase,
Before we got into implementation.

1700
03:39:33,110 --> 03:39:33,110
all right. And so so is this is this the, the design that we would be looking at on
Raising if we talked about raising or we would be redesigning

1701
03:39:43,030 --> 03:39:43,030
for some kind of a vehicular traffic access. That would be a high enough amount to allow a
Car to go through there.

1702
03:39:51,380 --> 03:39:51,380
yes. The latter. We would have to completely redesign because moving it back,
We provided easements already to texdot to carry out their

1703
03:40:00,900 --> 03:40:03,300
construction. So it would be a complete new design. Okay. Second of all, the the connection above the up the the bridge that you're talking
About.

1704
03:40:09,860 --> 03:40:12,780
if for some reason up holds us up, we can't do it. They're going to give us a hard time physically.

1705
03:40:14,900 --> 03:40:14,900
we can't do it. What's plan b? Plan b would be to we would still have the new ramp down
From jefferson to

1706
03:40:24,820 --> 03:40:28,620
hotel, which provides the exact same lane access that exists today. The bridge if it's unable to be built, wouldn't be built or we would come back to council
And brainstorm another alternative path to add more access.

1707
03:40:39,420 --> 03:40:43,220
these are not the only two ideas that exist. They're just the best two ideas at this
Point, but we've still got a lot of work to do. And if if that bridge doesn't work,
We will go back to the drawing board and come back with another plan.

1708
03:40:49,460 --> 03:40:53,180
there might be alternatives with the with the garage that's there. There might be alternatives for something else,
But we haven't really explored those yet.

1709
03:40:57,420 --> 03:41:00,500
but but at least you're open to say it could be. It's not a done deal on the up, but it's. But you're thinking ahead.

1710
03:41:04,700 --> 03:41:08,180
okay. Number number three. The last thing and I'm sorry,
I'm out of time. Almost. But if we're during the temporary construction period of time and during the
Permanent on this,

1711
03:41:14,780 --> 03:41:14,780
we have got to get rid of the bikes and we've got to get rid of the of the streetcar.

1712
03:41:21,100 --> 03:41:24,060
and we've got to get rid of this pedestrian idea. We have to have vehicular traffic on jefferson and houston.

1713
03:41:28,900 --> 03:41:28,900
this is this is too important of two streets to limit and reduce and,
And satisfy a, a constituency that's not

1714
03:41:39,820 --> 03:41:39,820
that's that's that's not significant to the extent and the,
The growth of this project.

1715
03:41:45,650 --> 03:41:49,090
so and I'm not saying the person, the people are not important. I and I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, I'd like your response to that.

1716
03:41:55,210 --> 03:41:55,210
mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes. Thank you,
Mr.

1717
03:41:59,450 --> 03:41:59,450
mayor. I want to begin by apologizing to the community for not doing more to prevent
Inaccurate understandings about what is actually being proposed to fester.

1718
03:42:09,970 --> 03:42:09,970
I'm deeply troubled and concerned by the misinformation and confusion I continue to see
And hear surrounding this issue.

1719
03:42:17,890 --> 03:42:17,890
I'm especially sensitive to discussions about cutting off access or significantly
Inconveniencing southern dallas commuters,

1720
03:42:24,890 --> 03:42:24,890
given the conversations we've had around this horseshoe about removing I 345 and severing
A major connection between large portions of southeast dallas and the central business

1721
03:42:33,450 --> 03:42:33,450
district and beyond. I believe some of my colleagues have done a good job of teasing out
The facts,

1722
03:42:38,610 --> 03:42:38,610
but I want to be as clear as possible. So I just have two questions.

1723
03:42:43,650 --> 03:42:43,650
under any circumstance, whether this item passes or fails,
Is the city proposing to demolish,

1724
03:42:50,130 --> 03:42:50,130
destroy or abandon the houston street bridge or the jefferson viaduct?

1725
03:42:55,250 --> 03:42:55,250
no. Okay. Under any circumstance, whether this item passes or fails will direct access
Between north oak cliff and downtown

1726
03:43:05,010 --> 03:43:05,010
be eliminated or severely restricted. No, it'll be maintained.

1727
03:43:10,450 --> 03:43:14,050
thank you. I just think it's really important to get that out there again. I know a couple of my colleagues have have tried to do that.

1728
03:43:17,690 --> 03:43:17,690
I it's really concerning. Another thing I want to mention is with regard to temporary
Inconveniences during construction,

1729
03:43:27,650 --> 03:43:27,650
I think, I think those are, are an understandable part of any significant construction
Project.

1730
03:43:33,810 --> 03:43:33,810
I believe the real concern is the potential for long term inconvenience to to north oak
Cliff residents.

1731
03:43:39,720 --> 03:43:39,720
and based on the additional evaluation conducted by city staff,
However, I.

1732
03:43:44,200 --> 03:43:44,200
it appears that the long term impact could be as little as little as a few minutes of
Additional travel time.

1733
03:43:50,360 --> 03:43:52,880
somebody stop me if I'm incorrect at any point. That's correct. I'm also sensitive to my colleagues concerns about a process that,
From his perspective,

1734
03:43:58,720 --> 03:43:58,720
hasn't been ideal. However, I'm not convinced that responding to those shortcomings with a
Vote that would ultimately cause greater harm is the wisest course of action.

1735
03:44:08,360 --> 03:44:08,360
I believe the community's legitimate concerns can be addressed without unnecessarily
Delaying this important project.

1736
03:44:14,440 --> 03:44:18,000
for those reasons, I'll be voting yes on the motion to deny item 90. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Okay, I think we're on round two for everyone.

1737
03:44:22,600 --> 03:44:26,160
so, miss blair, you're recognized for three minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I have a couple of questions.

1738
03:44:31,080 --> 03:44:31,080
you said it for the to redesign that it would take seven months to a year,
Correct?

1739
03:44:38,160 --> 03:44:38,160
that's correct. What's the cost associated with that redesign and the cost associated with
The

1740
03:44:48,040 --> 03:44:48,040
convention not having. Well, I should say the timeline of the redesign on the back end.

1741
03:44:57,360 --> 03:44:57,360
absolutely. So we have worked with trinity alliance,
Which is our cmaa, and we've worked with perkins and will,

1742
03:45:06,240 --> 03:45:06,240
our designer. We've looked at it's about $597 million in additional costs.

1743
03:45:13,480 --> 03:45:13,480
that includes our, our best estimated look at projections of what materials etc.

1744
03:45:22,640 --> 03:45:26,440
would cost in the future. Right? So that that could change. So just let me just make sure that I'm clear very succinctly.

1745
03:45:30,160 --> 03:45:30,160
how much money will this redesign cost us? Almost $1 billion.

1746
03:45:38,710 --> 03:45:38,710
how much money will it cost us in delay? Will total almost of that almost billion dollars.

1747
03:45:47,830 --> 03:45:47,830
about 273 million plus 1.4 million a month in lost customer generated revenue.

1748
03:45:57,830 --> 03:45:57,830
how many employees will you time? How many employees do we have that will not be able to
Get to hotels in.

1749
03:46:06,270 --> 03:46:06,270
and how much in hotel tax? Absolutely. So we're looking at approximately 33000 immediate
Employees.

1750
03:46:16,270 --> 03:46:16,270
as time persists and it trickles down into employees at different levels.

1751
03:46:21,230 --> 03:46:21,230
we're looking at over 6000 employees impacted.

1752
03:46:25,910 --> 03:46:25,910
and then the other of those 6000 employees that are going to be impacted.

1753
03:46:32,310 --> 03:46:32,310
where do the majority of them come from? The southern sector,
Southeast dallas and west dallas.

1754
03:46:39,390 --> 03:46:39,390
okay. So let me also say this. We you set you let me confirm when when chair

1755
03:46:49,030 --> 03:46:49,030
gracey asked before, there will be two lanes south and two,
Three lanes north.

1756
03:46:55,550 --> 03:46:55,550
afterwards, it'll be 2 to 3 lanes south and still the three lanes north on the viaduct.

1757
03:47:03,030 --> 03:47:03,030
correct? Okay. And when my, my my neighbor here miss luna,
Miss cadena

1758
03:47:12,830 --> 03:47:12,830
asked. Ceremonial is a different location and has a different timeline,
Correct?

1759
03:47:22,830 --> 03:47:22,830
yes, that's correct. And they're in the construction and the timeline during construction
And after construction

1760
03:47:32,380 --> 03:47:32,380
has a different timeline. Correct number of in and out.

1761
03:47:37,220 --> 03:47:40,460
correct. On the convention center side. Correct. Before. Okay, so going back to the viaducts before during the construction,
How much more time are we actually talking about?

1762
03:47:48,500 --> 03:47:48,500
I think you said before, maybe three minutes and getting into downtown during construction
In that morning peak.

1763
03:47:57,060 --> 03:47:57,060
we have have about an eight minute delay in that one hour period midday.

1764
03:48:03,380 --> 03:48:03,380
it's it's, it's practically nothing. And we're reducing the afternoon peak also to a
Minute or two after,

1765
03:48:12,740 --> 03:48:12,740
after the ramp is built, then morning would be about a three minute delay and virtually
No,

1766
03:48:18,700 --> 03:48:21,180
no delay in any other time on the northbound side. So let me ask another. Let me look at let me address this a different way.

1767
03:48:29,740 --> 03:48:29,740
I'm sorry. This page here that has all of the changes.

1768
03:48:37,580 --> 03:48:37,580
if we didn't have this would with with the with the off ramps on the viaducts be as
Controversial as

1769
03:48:47,540 --> 03:48:47,540
they are now? You know, we, we have you know,
We, we believe that as other routes open up,

1770
03:48:54,940 --> 03:48:54,940
we haven't, we haven't modeled that scenario. We based it on the,
The travel counts that we have with that,

1771
03:49:00,740 --> 03:49:00,740
that construction happening. But as doctor carley mentioned,
We're going to see two of those bridges online in mid 2027.

1772
03:49:10,740 --> 03:49:10,740
so we would expect improvement. So then in 2027,
Which is next year, we'll see two of them back on.

1773
03:49:18,300 --> 03:49:18,300
we'll have griffin back immediately after fifa correct.

1774
03:49:23,340 --> 03:49:23,340
that's correct. It. So that will also. It will also help our

1775
03:49:33,010 --> 03:49:33,010
traffic. So basically what I'm trying to say is we are not doing anything to hinder the
The getting the the southern area

1776
03:49:42,970 --> 03:49:42,970
getting in and out. But we will cost the citizens and the city of dallas multi million
Dollars

1777
03:49:53,370 --> 03:49:53,370
if we delay the construction of the convention center.

1778
03:49:58,450 --> 03:49:58,450
am I correct? You're correct. Thank you. Okay.

1779
03:50:06,010 --> 03:50:06,010
chairman, what's your recognized for three minutes. Thank you mayor. And I think I have a
Slide coming up. I hope I do. But in the meantime,

1780
03:50:12,450 --> 03:50:12,450
did I hear that the delay would cost $1 billion as a response to that question?

1781
03:50:17,930 --> 03:50:17,930
so it's 597. She asked me to kind of combine it is what I heard.

1782
03:50:22,970 --> 03:50:22,970
and so it is the cost of redesign and reorientation,
And then the cost that we've calculated through visitdallas and

1783
03:50:32,730 --> 03:50:32,730
through some of their consultants on what it would cost in the loss of revenue earned
Revenue based on our clients.

1784
03:50:42,050 --> 03:50:42,050
so combining those two, it's 597 plus about 273 million.

1785
03:50:48,010 --> 03:50:51,610
I mean, it's, I've been hearing 500 million for a couple of weeks now. It's amazing how it just keeps escalating every time we talk.

1786
03:50:55,970 --> 03:50:55,970
if I could correct that, the only cost that I was asked for before was the cost to
Redesign and,

1787
03:51:03,490 --> 03:51:03,490
and construct. And so that's the cost that we were giving you.

1788
03:51:08,170 --> 03:51:08,170
we provided after we realized that our clients were going to,
Started to call us based on these meetings.

1789
03:51:16,250 --> 03:51:18,850
and some of them were going to start to drop off. That's when we provided information to our city manager about what the loss was in in
Revenue,

1790
03:51:26,610 --> 03:51:26,610
so that 273 million is lost revenue. Mr. Mayor,
I'd like to jump in for just a second, and I want to thank council member west for that

1791
03:51:36,290 --> 03:51:36,290
additional question, because I, too, have heard that there's a belief that staff is making
Up numbers.

1792
03:51:42,250 --> 03:51:42,250
we sent you a memorandum on june the 18th, where we gave a detailed chart that showed the
Cost of the redesign,

1793
03:51:51,090 --> 03:51:51,090
including the cost of the various conventions that rosa is speaking of now.

1794
03:51:55,210 --> 03:51:55,210
so that would be in writing, and that no one would misinterpret any of the conversations
Around the numbers.

1795
03:52:01,530 --> 03:52:01,530
and so if council needs us to share that with you again,
But we did that on purpose because we understood that there were a lot of numbers out

1796
03:52:08,570 --> 03:52:08,570
there. And we wanted to clarify for the council exactly what the numbers are that we have
Been providing to you.

1797
03:52:14,490 --> 03:52:14,490
so that was sent out to the city council in a memorandum from me last week.

1798
03:52:20,840 --> 03:52:20,840
thank you. The other issue I wanted to clear up before moving,
Moving on to a path forward is you had mentioned in my initial round of questioning,

1799
03:52:30,840 --> 03:52:30,840
rosa, that council supported a new design work in 2024 on the viaducts.

1800
03:52:38,800 --> 03:52:38,800
is that right? That's correct. And I'll have doctor speak to the hntb procurement.

1801
03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:45,600
yeah. And I guess my question is a follow up to that was were was it expected that council
Members,

1802
03:52:51,760 --> 03:52:51,760
when we approved that resolution, should have anticipated that the viaducts would be
Changed or torn down?

1803
03:53:00,000 --> 03:53:00,000
my comment on that is that any change as per the city ordinance,
Will require a thoroughfare amendment.

1804
03:53:07,960 --> 03:53:07,960
so therefore, the council members will have to weigh in on the on any change regarding
That impacts any of the viaducts,

1805
03:53:17,880 --> 03:53:17,880
whether it be in number of lanes, alignments and anything that is impacting those.

1806
03:53:24,760 --> 03:53:24,760
that's a wonderful point, actually. How do we what would happen if council does not
Approve a thoroughfare amendment for changing the jefferson viaduct after it's already

1807
03:53:34,640 --> 03:53:34,640
been demolished? On the north side. Do we rebuild it?

1808
03:53:43,200 --> 03:53:43,200
that will have to be a conversation that we need to have.

1809
03:53:47,560 --> 03:53:51,240
with the convention center designers and and the team. I think that's a huge step, right? The thoroughfare plan amendment process.

1810
03:53:58,520 --> 03:53:58,520
and I'll have doctor can correct me. Required that we had a recommendation from the
Transportation

1811
03:54:08,280 --> 03:54:08,280
committee to move forward with the applications,
Which we've not received yet.

1812
03:54:12,680 --> 03:54:12,680
so that's part of that engagement process that that you all are asking us to do is to work
With the community and bring forward something,

1813
03:54:22,590 --> 03:54:26,590
an application that you feel that you can support and work with. But once it's demolished, isn't it too late? Are you going to rebuild it?

1814
03:54:30,150 --> 03:54:33,430
if we don't like the thoroughfare plan amendment. So if I could if I could clarify. So we're again not demolishing houston or jefferson
Viaducts.

1815
03:54:41,030 --> 03:54:41,030
it's that 550ft of roadway once you come off the viaducts.

1816
03:54:45,670 --> 03:54:45,670
so that's a, you know, a construction, a construction condition that would allow us to
Continue demolition,

1817
03:54:53,550 --> 03:54:53,550
etc.. So we would work during that time to do the engagement.

1818
03:54:58,830 --> 03:54:58,830
and I think we've heard from everyone that and we've,
We've, we recognize it and understand that we did not do the level of engagement

1819
03:55:09,070 --> 03:55:11,790
that we did with other components of the convention center. And so we're going to come back and and correct that.

1820
03:55:15,310 --> 03:55:15,310
and just to make it easier, when I refer to demolition,
I'm talking about that last 500ft because it impacts everything else.

1821
03:55:20,830 --> 03:55:24,310
but that's what I just wanted to make sure. Thank you. So we had talked about how, you know, the, we were alerted to by,
By staff back in 2024 is what I was hearing.

1822
03:55:34,190 --> 03:55:34,190
but this slide that I found from the may 21st,
First, 2025 briefing is still indicating that the connection for jefferson is going to

1823
03:55:42,630 --> 03:55:42,630
yonge street. So how do you reconcile that with staff's representations that we should
Have known before that?

1824
03:55:56,150 --> 03:55:59,990
council member do you have a I don't know what you're referring to. Is it a the slide. It's on slide 30 from may 21st, 2025, which still connects jefferson to yonge street.

1825
03:56:08,630 --> 03:56:08,630
so the question is, you know, if if you're saying we in 2024,
We approved a realignment.

1826
03:56:15,420 --> 03:56:18,340
you know, why are we still why is staff still presenting this to us? Because I'm hearing everybody thought this was still happening up until the beginning of
This year.

1827
03:56:26,220 --> 03:56:26,220
excuse me. So the lines that you see on here and sorry for this,
My I don't have the best vision.

1828
03:56:32,980 --> 03:56:32,980
so on this alignment, this really had to do with our discussion about the,
About the dart rail

1829
03:56:42,980 --> 03:56:42,980
and being able to go through this. I believe,
If I'm remembering correctly, that was when we started the discussions about cocooning the

1830
03:56:52,740 --> 03:56:52,740
the dart train. I'll have to go back and look at the entire briefing.

1831
03:56:57,220 --> 03:56:57,220
I don't have it with me, but look at that to see what the topic was at the at that time.

1832
03:57:03,580 --> 03:57:03,580
well, it's hard to read on. Here is on the bottom. It says jeffersonville viaduct,
Two way vehicular.

1833
03:57:09,340 --> 03:57:12,620
and it's connecting that blue line all the way to yonge street. So yeah, if you could. It's misleading if that was not the intent of staff to have that on
There.

1834
03:57:18,340 --> 03:57:18,340
okay. My apologies. But yeah, I think this was trying to show you the impacted pieces and
Maybe it's not clear,

1835
03:57:25,340 --> 03:57:29,300
and I will accept responsibility for that if it's not clear. But it was showing where the building would sit in correlation to the to the building.

1836
03:57:34,460 --> 03:57:34,460
and if I remember, that's when we started our discussions about the things that would have
To reorient and change on there.

1837
03:57:42,180 --> 03:57:42,180
one was the closure of the temporary closure of the dart station,
And then trying to show where the where the streets would sit in connection to the

1838
03:57:52,140 --> 03:57:52,140
design. Okay. All right. Well, I'm hearing comments from my colleagues if,
If this item is going to get voted down,

1839
03:58:01,740 --> 03:58:01,740
if there's going to end up being a vote in support of the motion. You know,
I ask that we do push for better options for oak cliff.

1840
03:58:08,810 --> 03:58:08,810
and I appreciate you, rosa and deb both saying that you're going to work with michael
Morris and come up with some better options,

1841
03:58:14,530 --> 03:58:14,530
and we're going to have true community engagement moving forward.

1842
03:58:18,730 --> 03:58:18,730
one item that has come up, I have heard from michael morris,
Actually, and I've even heard staff mention this is extension from memorial to lamar

1843
03:58:28,450 --> 03:58:28,450
street moving past the mobility hub. And I would ask if that would be an item you would
Consider and commit to talking about looking into today.

1844
03:58:38,090 --> 03:58:38,090
yes, council member, you have our commitment that we'll continue that engagement as well
As we've already had michael morris reach out to us to continue to have this

1845
03:58:47,970 --> 03:58:47,970
dialog. Thank you. Great. And if my colleagues are not willing to raise the convention
Center today I at least ask that we you all support exploring a better option for oak

1846
03:58:57,210 --> 03:58:59,810
cliff, including a possible connection to lamar street. Thank you, mr. Blackmon. You're recognized for three minutes.

1847
03:59:04,050 --> 03:59:04,050
hi. Okay. Thank you. I'm trying to reconcile what some things have been asked in question,

1848
03:59:09,530 --> 03:59:13,050
so kind of help me walk through the timeline. I pulled I went back and looked at legistar,
And it looks like on 519 of 2025 in transportation,

1849
03:59:22,010 --> 03:59:22,010
we discussed a contract that was coming to 528,
2025 with grisham.

1850
03:59:26,850 --> 03:59:26,850
smith. So. Grisham. Smith. I'm sorry about that.

1851
03:59:31,330 --> 03:59:31,330
okay. Go ahead. So there were two consultants that were procured under the same
Procurement.

1852
03:59:37,810 --> 03:59:37,810
we called them phase one and phase two. One was the gresham smith and the scope was to
Design the demolition.

1853
03:59:46,490 --> 03:59:46,490
and at that time, the potential redesign of the new section.

1854
03:59:52,250 --> 03:59:52,250
and then and that was awarded, I think in the may time frame,
If I'm not mistaken.

1855
04:00:00,170 --> 04:00:00,170
and then the phase two, which was the hntb component,
Which will at that time included a potential down ramp from the

1856
04:00:10,200 --> 04:00:10,200
jefferson into hotel and, and potential adjustments and refinements to the alignment of
Jefferson.

1857
04:00:20,040 --> 04:00:20,040
and that was awarded through council approval.

1858
04:00:25,200 --> 04:00:25,200
and I think in august of 2025, because it, it sounds right here that you knew that there
Was encroachment happening over lamar

1859
04:00:35,120 --> 04:00:35,120
street in the demolition of jefferson boulevard viaduct market.

1860
04:00:39,360 --> 04:00:41,400
I'm just trying to understand, when did we know? When did you all know how missed how we missed doing any community involvement?

1861
04:00:45,480 --> 04:00:45,480
because then you go back and in the january transportation,
It says that we're supposed to do community involvement.

1862
04:00:52,080 --> 04:00:52,080
so I'm trying to understand the whole sequence of events,
When and what and how do we correct it.

1863
04:00:58,920 --> 04:00:58,920
right. So back in 2024, we based on the discussions with the convention center team,
Basically

1864
04:01:08,840 --> 04:01:08,840
they were looking at different options. And when we do procurement,
We do procurement based on giving us some flexibility in the scope to allow us

1865
04:01:18,680 --> 04:01:18,680
to study the various options that could come up.

1866
04:01:23,680 --> 04:01:23,680
and that's how it was procured. Okay. And then when you go back to the january 26th
Briefing

1867
04:01:33,600 --> 04:01:33,600
to transportation, and it has the next steps,
And it says we'll continue coordinating with txdot dart stakeholders to refine how was the

1868
04:01:42,480 --> 04:01:42,480
stakeholder happening under that contract since january of this year?

1869
04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:50,000
so we have a, a weekly thursday meeting with with stakeholders such as,
You know, upea and

1870
04:01:59,910 --> 04:01:59,910
dart, etc. They're included so that as we walk through the design,
We try not to interact or we're looking for joint funding,

1871
04:02:08,870 --> 04:02:12,150
etc. And so we continue those discussions with them. There are several city departments on those. We follow up on a friday early morning call.

1872
04:02:16,990 --> 04:02:16,990
we do a 730 and 8:00 call every friday and look at some of the issues that came up on
Thursday and how we move forward and try to try to solve

1873
04:02:26,990 --> 04:02:26,990
them. And so that's the interaction we have with up with dart,
With txdot, etc.

1874
04:02:33,230 --> 04:02:33,230
in order to, to answer some of these questions and move forward.

1875
04:02:38,230 --> 04:02:38,230
transportation is, is on those as well. Except during those times when it interferes with
Rtc.

1876
04:02:44,550 --> 04:02:44,550
so, so there was never any robust conversations with the stakeholders in the southern part
Of the city.

1877
04:02:51,430 --> 04:02:51,430
I guess that's what I'm trying to do. You had immediate stakeholders and I'm trying to and
I agree with mr.

1878
04:02:56,590 --> 04:02:56,590
west that we need to rectify that. Like we need to flip that on its head and go deeper
Into the folks that it.

1879
04:03:04,150 --> 04:03:04,150
and I think that's when we all agree on. So I'm just trying to understand. So we don't do
This again.

1880
04:03:08,550 --> 04:03:12,430
absolutely. How did we miss that component of it? I think that our understanding of the engagement process as it relates to a transportation
Issue was that you come to

1881
04:03:22,390 --> 04:03:22,390
committee, you get a move forward on the options,
And at the time there were several.

1882
04:03:29,790 --> 04:03:29,790
you submit the our department would submit the the application,
And then we do the engagement so that we then

1883
04:03:39,470 --> 04:03:39,470
come to what is the ultimate and final solution through that engagement process.

1884
04:03:44,590 --> 04:03:44,590
so it was trying not to get in front of that process and not to get in front of city
Council cpc or any of those

1885
04:03:54,190 --> 04:03:57,860
involved in that thoroughfare amendment process. So it was never the intent to exclude the community.

1886
04:04:02,060 --> 04:04:02,060
we were simply following the process to get to these solutions and the options that the
Committee thought best to take

1887
04:04:11,860 --> 04:04:11,860
out into the community, so that robust engagement that we did with the other parts of the
Convention center,

1888
04:04:21,420 --> 04:04:21,420
we believed, came after we had 1 or 2 options that would fit with that engagement process,

1889
04:04:28,700 --> 04:04:28,700
and then we were going to go out and do a mass engagement to get to the final solution.

1890
04:04:33,700 --> 04:04:33,700
so that's the reason what we saw in may was that the grisham smith final product.

1891
04:04:41,940 --> 04:04:45,900
no, that was phase one. No, that was the hntb work. Okay, so when do we get the grisham? In other words,
Are they still on contract with this?

1892
04:04:50,300 --> 04:04:50,300
when do we get the grisham smith work? The current grisham smith.

1893
04:04:54,500 --> 04:04:54,500
work is on the temporary traffic control plan that will be part of the during part of the
Construction timeline.

1894
04:05:04,380 --> 04:05:04,380
that's the, that's the construction part of it. And that is what is looking at all the
Options that are available to us to explore the possibilities and

1895
04:05:14,300 --> 04:05:14,300
the art of possible, if you will, for the connect,
For the connectivity of the final.

1896
04:05:18,620 --> 04:05:22,020
so hntb is the. And that's where mr. Frey came in. That is the person that's responsible for the permanent solution or the group for
Exploring the options for the permanent solutions.

1897
04:05:30,820 --> 04:05:34,420
that is correct. Okay. Okay, that's it for now. Thank you, miss cadena, you recognized for three minutes.

1898
04:05:38,900 --> 04:05:38,900
so it sounds like you all are going to continue to work on this.

1899
04:05:43,740 --> 04:05:43,740
so will that come back to, to councils or is this the final.

1900
04:05:52,140 --> 04:05:52,140
no, we thought you were absolutely correct. We are going to continue to work on refining
The design process,

1901
04:05:59,820 --> 04:06:02,780
defining the solution through the design process. What you have in front of you or you know, these are the conceptual level we'll continue
To develop details.

1902
04:06:10,580 --> 04:06:10,580
we'll continue to have engagement as we discussed with council member west,
We're going to continue to explore additional possibilities with michael morse

1903
04:06:20,540 --> 04:06:20,540
and have those conversations with you. But essentially those are the core roadway elements
That we think are going to be part of that

1904
04:06:30,100 --> 04:06:30,100
solution. But we want to listen to the communities and continue to have that dialog.

1905
04:06:37,580 --> 04:06:41,060
I am glad that michael morris is a part of the conversation. And also rosa and dev and gus. Robin, I would just want to thank you because,
You know, in the beginning there was less access to

1906
04:06:50,490 --> 04:06:53,810
downtown. And I see that that has continued to improve. And there has been some changes from when this originally rolled out.

1907
04:06:58,050 --> 04:06:58,050
so I am super appreciative of that. You know,
And these drawings are really, I think, helpful also I think in seeing this,

1908
04:07:07,570 --> 04:07:07,570
you know, this is hard for me because I believe in smart economic development and I love
Arts and culture.

1909
04:07:14,010 --> 04:07:14,010
and I think having to delay this is hard, you know and I don't mean to keep harping on
This,

1910
04:07:21,370 --> 04:07:21,370
but we had a real opportunity to have a win win for everybody.

1911
04:07:26,050 --> 04:07:29,330
and this project should be something that everybody's proud of. And, you know, I think just not having the community input though,
You know, gives me some heartburn,

1912
04:07:37,090 --> 04:07:37,090
right? Because I think, you know, that's why I'm,
I, that's why I ran, that's why I want to represent my community.

1913
04:07:44,090 --> 04:07:44,090
and so that's difficult. But I do hope if this item passes that we're able to maintain
Traffic directly,

1914
04:07:51,610 --> 04:07:51,610
safely in and out of downtown. We're able to get approval from up railroad.

1915
04:07:58,050 --> 04:07:58,050
I really hope that happens. I know I've had projects that have been delayed.

1916
04:08:02,290 --> 04:08:02,290
I hope that vision zero is considered on these roadways so that we can also have emergency
Vehicles safely access them.

1917
04:08:11,210 --> 04:08:11,210
I would like a briefing for the convention center transportation plan and also have a
Breakdown of all the transportation costs associated with the project.

1918
04:08:21,450 --> 04:08:21,450
you know, this has been hard just because the front of the convention center was so
Thoughtful and well planned.

1919
04:08:26,610 --> 04:08:26,610
and it just seems like the oak cliff west dallas connection where,
You know, yes, we're working on it.

1920
04:08:32,690 --> 04:08:32,690
and it has improved from when I first saw it,
But it's like we're working on it as we go and it has but I am grateful that y'all are

1921
04:08:41,370 --> 04:08:44,490
still working and hoping to engage the community. Thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn recognized for three minutes.

1922
04:08:49,240 --> 04:08:49,240
thank you. Well, I'm just going to have to call out some of the things that were said,
Because it's just very difficult to hear things that are documented

1923
04:08:59,440 --> 04:08:59,440
be presented in a different way. So there's a kera article published december 11th,
2025wfaa

1924
04:09:08,920 --> 04:09:08,920
article published december 15th, 2025, both talking about the move of conventions,
Cole sullivan wrote an article.

1925
04:09:19,280 --> 04:09:19,280
it says handful of events look to move to other cities as dallas convention center project
Faces delay.

1926
04:09:25,800 --> 04:09:25,800
again. This is 2025. I'm going to read parts of it to you,
It says.

1927
04:09:30,960 --> 04:09:30,960
the completion of the massive expansion of the kay bailey hutchison convention center in
Downtown dallas faces a construction delay in a handful of previously booked conventions

1928
04:09:39,360 --> 04:09:39,360
have asked to move their events to other cities,
A project spokesman told wfaa.

1929
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:45,760
officials had most recently said the 3.3 to 3.5 billion project would be complete in march
Of 2029.

1930
04:09:53,520 --> 04:09:53,520
a spokesperson for inspire dallas, the team in charge of the project management on behalf
Of the city.

1931
04:09:58,200 --> 04:09:58,200
dallas, said the building would be complete later in 2025 but didn't give specifics.

1932
04:10:04,200 --> 04:10:04,200
then the city of dallas, later in the article released a statement,
A press release.

1933
04:10:10,880 --> 04:10:10,880
the title master plan schedule update. The city,
Also with visit dallas at its convention,

1934
04:10:17,320 --> 04:10:17,320
said it's assisting those tentatively booked for 2025 and finding alternative tier one
Destinations.

1935
04:10:23,840 --> 04:10:23,840
I know we received an email like that, or maybe it was a press release,
And then you have a statement from jane hamilton,

1936
04:10:31,280 --> 04:10:31,280
who again, is saying that a handful of events have been asked to move to other cities for
Their 2029 conventions.

1937
04:10:40,200 --> 04:10:40,200
when I look at the time frame, the dallas morning news in 2022,
Reports that the convention center is going to open in early 2028.

1938
04:10:48,870 --> 04:10:48,870
then we have visit dallas on their own website,
Saying in late 2023, the convention center is going to open in 2020 9th may 2025.

1939
04:10:58,310 --> 04:10:58,310
we're told will be march 2029. So I think there are some inconsistencies on what we're
Being told.

1940
04:11:06,550 --> 04:11:06,550
and, you know, that we have council members pulling out the maps to show you what we were
Shown.

1941
04:11:13,110 --> 04:11:16,510
that does not match up with the same time frame you're talking about. We didn't find out about this change until this year.

1942
04:11:20,430 --> 04:11:20,430
and frankly, it was at the march transportation committee that I found out about it.

1943
04:11:24,750 --> 04:11:24,750
so I'm just going to say I'm not voting to move ahead with this until we get it right.

1944
04:11:33,590 --> 04:11:33,590
and that is exactly what the problem was when we even put this to the voters,
When we went to a 30% design,

1945
04:11:39,830 --> 04:11:39,830
when we didn't have all of the facts. And again,
We're doing the same thing, moving ahead too fast without all the information and making

1946
04:11:47,550 --> 04:11:47,550
very, very costly mistakes. Thank you. And by the way,
The city needs to stop saying things cost $1 billion.

1947
04:11:55,710 --> 04:11:59,430
mr. Roth, you're recognized for three minutes. Thank you. Following up on my on my last question that I ran out of time on can you tell
Us if there's an opportunity to

1948
04:12:10,350 --> 04:12:10,350
cancel the bike lanes, get the, get the the streetcar off of that,
Off of that road and make that a traffic lane and somehow

1949
04:12:20,150 --> 04:12:20,150
eliminate or expand to get rid of the pedestrian traffic so that we can access more
Vehicular traffic on those streets.

1950
04:12:30,190 --> 04:12:30,190
so I'll start with the bike lane in the city's strategic mobility plan that was adopted by
Council.

1951
04:12:36,350 --> 04:12:36,350
we committed to multimodal mobility. So if the question is about potential rerouting or
Exploring

1952
04:12:46,860 --> 04:12:46,860
another alternative route, that is something that we will be actively doing in order to
Ensure that multi modal multi mobility is maintained and

1953
04:12:56,540 --> 04:13:00,540
maintained in a safe manner. So that's that question. The other question about the streetcar this is an item that involves texdot and the
Federal transit administration in addition to dart.

1954
04:13:09,620 --> 04:13:12,580
so this is not something that the city of dallas controls. We have to coordinate with other agencies. And for the record,
The city of dallas has a contract or an ila

1955
04:13:22,340 --> 04:13:22,340
with the north central council of governments regarding its commitments to operate the
Streetcar.

1956
04:13:27,540 --> 04:13:27,540
and the north central council of governments has that agreement also with the fta
Regarding the operation of the streetcar.

1957
04:13:33,980 --> 04:13:33,980
so this item of possibly looking at the streetcar operation and so on,
Is something that we have to be

1958
04:13:44,220 --> 04:13:47,620
kind of cautious on how we approach that item. Have you all been discussing with with those folks about a temporary stop to the streetcar
In order to facilitate the the

1959
04:13:57,500 --> 04:13:57,500
construction as one alternative? Number two. Has there been what would be the economic
Impact if the streetcar was stopped?

1960
04:14:05,420 --> 04:14:05,420
would we have a is there a reimbursement or recapture some kind of financial obligation on
The city?

1961
04:14:12,140 --> 04:14:12,140
well, again we'll have to follow up on that,
But I will note that there are legal requirements

1962
04:14:22,100 --> 04:14:22,100
that the city of dallas is obligated to. And also we have in addition to all that,
We have the yearly maintenance agreement that we have with dart.

1963
04:14:33,140 --> 04:14:33,140
so that basically that item has to be considered as part of the discussion.

1964
04:14:38,250 --> 04:14:38,250
so all to say here is that this is a not an easy,
Straightforward answer and requires a lot more discussions.

1965
04:14:47,050 --> 04:14:47,050
and because of the involvement of the various agencies,
This may not be a a feasible item in the time frame that we're looking at for the

1966
04:14:56,290 --> 04:14:56,290
construction of the convention center. Is it possible that in a redesign of this building,

1967
04:15:02,450 --> 04:15:02,450
that there might be additional saving that so we wouldn't have to spend the complete $500
Million?

1968
04:15:10,370 --> 04:15:10,370
but in the event of a redo, a redesign, perhaps there would be some savings that could be
Identified also to mitigate some of that,

1969
04:15:19,450 --> 04:15:19,450
that that maybe it's not all the savings, but maybe we would get some savings.

1970
04:15:25,370 --> 04:15:25,370
even though it takes it takes a, a maybe another year.

1971
04:15:29,490 --> 04:15:29,490
and again, I'm, I'm excluding the lost revenue and the lost thing for my calculation.

1972
04:15:36,050 --> 04:15:36,050
sure. I mean, that question calls for a lot of speculation,
But I can say the revenue sources to fund the convention center are finite.

1973
04:15:43,090 --> 04:15:43,090
and if we're called to add another $600 million in cost to the project,
Then there will have to be savings in the construction budget because we will have to

1974
04:15:51,730 --> 04:15:51,730
build a smaller convention center. We will almost certainly have to reduce the sellable
Space to make up for the cost of the redesign.

1975
04:16:00,330 --> 04:16:00,330
and so, like I said, a lot of speculation called for in that question.

1976
04:16:04,650 --> 04:16:04,650
but yes, we will probably end up building a less expensive and smaller convention center
To balance the budget of the cost of the redesign.

1977
04:16:13,490 --> 04:16:13,490
how long does it take to get a thoroughfare amendment sort of processed and approved?

1978
04:16:18,690 --> 04:16:18,690
so the thoroughfare amendment takes about between 4 to 6 months.

1979
04:16:26,250 --> 04:16:26,250
is the the the economic impact fear of losing $500 million in extra

1980
04:16:36,000 --> 04:16:36,000
cost. I think over a 20 year, 25 year period,
If we do this right, if we provide it right,

1981
04:16:43,720 --> 04:16:43,720
if we create the right connectivity certainly there's a an upfront cost now,
But the economic impact over a 20 year period on the

1982
04:16:53,160 --> 04:16:53,160
redevelopment of oak cliff, on the redevelopment of downtown,
On the stimulation of economic development here,

1983
04:16:59,360 --> 04:16:59,360
I think is significant and may way outweigh that $500 million over a long period of time.

1984
04:17:06,200 --> 04:17:06,200
and I would really suggest that my colleagues consider that this is a big,
Big deal.

1985
04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:12,000
this is not about one year. This is about 25 years.

1986
04:17:17,520 --> 04:17:17,520
and I think it affects a lot of people. And I think that I'm going to vote against the
Motion to basically say that we should approve

1987
04:17:27,280 --> 04:17:29,840
the the raise and the redesign of the building. Thank you. Council member. I think you have to balance the savings that you're talking
About against the loss in revenue.

1988
04:17:37,760 --> 04:17:37,760
if we shrink our convention center and go from a tier one convention center to a tier two
Convention center,

1989
04:17:42,640 --> 04:17:42,640
then the size of the bookings, the number of hotel nights and the overall revenue to the
City would be lesser.

1990
04:17:47,600 --> 04:17:47,600
and so I would ask not only the consideration you're putting forward,
But also consider the loss in revenue from that decision as well.

1991
04:17:55,600 --> 04:17:55,600
I appreciate and I appreciate your clarification of that,
Because that certainly is an offset.

1992
04:18:00,040 --> 04:18:00,040
and obviously we haven't had any economic development responsibilities on that.

1993
04:18:04,800 --> 04:18:04,800
thank you. Thank you. Chairman west, you're recognized for one minute.

1994
04:18:11,280 --> 04:18:11,280
thank you mayor. If the vote to deny goes through and I hope it doesn't.

1995
04:18:16,440 --> 04:18:16,440
but if it does I would ask that councilwoman cardenas request for the briefing to be the
Next briefing to go back to tri transportation to talk

1996
04:18:26,160 --> 04:18:26,160
about additional mobility options happens soon,
And that public engagement accompanies that.

1997
04:18:32,910 --> 04:18:32,910
is that something staff can commit to? I'll answer that question.

1998
04:18:37,430 --> 04:18:41,110
yes. Thank you, city manager. And then I'll just say this. Just because the streetcar has come up a couple times. I mean,
If anything, we should be pulling the streetcar around into the mobility hub so that we

1999
04:18:47,990 --> 04:18:47,990
can encourage more ridership on the streetcar instead of trying to decommission it.

2000
04:18:52,350 --> 04:18:52,350
you know, if we want to help with the traffic congestion and mitigation,
We don't want everybody in the convention center getting in a car.

2001
04:18:59,750 --> 04:18:59,750
we would prefer them to ride on the streetcar,
To come shop in bishop arts and go to jefferson boulevard and support our small

2002
04:19:05,630 --> 04:19:05,630
businesses. So I think if anything, we need to pull it around into the into the middle of
The convention center with the other items.

2003
04:19:14,110 --> 04:19:17,710
thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for one minute. Thank you. Well, we don't usually agree about the streetcar,
But we do in this point, which is we are spending almost $2.5 million now out of our

2004
04:19:26,270 --> 04:19:26,270
general fund on the streetcar. And that it's not stopping at the convention center is just
A crying shame.

2005
04:19:33,310 --> 04:19:37,270
and if there's a way for you to change that,
I hope you do. Council member west and council member nelson.

2006
04:19:40,350 --> 04:19:40,350
that is part of the extension plan to bring it around.

2007
04:19:44,590 --> 04:19:44,590
I think the connectivity exhibit that you showed included that streetcar stop.

2008
04:19:50,670 --> 04:19:50,670
and so those are certainly improvements that we're looking to,
To add.

2009
04:19:56,510 --> 04:19:56,510
has any grant been submitted. Not yet. Okay. So given how long it takes to apply,
Get funded and actually build it

2010
04:20:07,390 --> 04:20:07,390
I don't know. None of us will be here. I'll just say that I don't mean electeds.

2011
04:20:13,750 --> 04:20:13,750
I mean, none of you will be here either. So 25 years from now,
Maybe there'll be a little extension of the streetcar.

2012
04:20:22,310 --> 04:20:22,310
so I just think this is not great planning. And the only thing that we have talked about
With the streetcar that even makes sense is for it to connect to the other,

2013
04:20:32,510 --> 04:20:32,510
for the trolley, for all the other stuff, and to not put it at the convention center as
Part of the plan today is just pretty shocking.

2014
04:20:43,430 --> 04:20:46,590
anyone else wish to speak on for or against item 90? The. The motion is to deny from. Yeah. Mayor johnson,
Parliamentary inquiry.

2015
04:20:51,990 --> 04:20:51,990
could we record vote, please? We have we have a record vote requested.

2016
04:20:56,270 --> 04:20:56,270
could we restate the. Or rehear the motion. It's been a long afternoon just to refresh.

2017
04:21:02,230 --> 04:21:02,230
pretty simple. Go ahead. On item number 19, I move 9099,
Zero.

2018
04:21:10,750 --> 04:21:10,750
it's been a long afternoon. I'm on item number 90.

2019
04:21:15,990 --> 04:21:15,990
I move to deny the request. It was a motion to deny.

2020
04:21:26,900 --> 04:21:26,900
mr. Roth. For what purpose? It's a clarification.

2021
04:21:31,380 --> 04:21:31,380
so a vote against the. The motion is a vote not to deny.

2022
04:21:38,060 --> 04:21:38,060
the motion is to deny the item. So motion. Your question is a vote against.

2023
04:21:43,300 --> 04:21:43,300
it would be a vote against the motion to deny.

2024
04:21:48,420 --> 04:21:51,500
it's not a motion to approve. It's a motion against the motion to deny. I'm saying it exactly what it is. And is there is there it's not a do we still get a one
Minute or are we finished?

2025
04:21:58,420 --> 04:22:01,220
we can if you want. If you like your minute,
You can. I'd like to have my last minute please. Thank you. I really think that that it's very
Important that we do this,

2026
04:22:07,780 --> 04:22:07,780
right, that we take the time that we spend the extra money and time to get it done.

2027
04:22:12,300 --> 04:22:12,300
I know it's going to be a severe impact initially,
But long term, it's the right thing to do.

2028
04:22:17,700 --> 04:22:17,700
we have insecurity on the bridge situation, and we have the potential of a huge long term
Economic loss for the city if this isn't done properly.

2029
04:22:26,860 --> 04:22:30,660
and so I would strongly recommend that we do not approve this motion. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak on for or against the motion to deny item 90?

2030
04:22:39,100 --> 04:22:41,300
seeing none, a recorded vote has been requested. Madam secretary, go ahead and call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

2031
04:22:44,300 --> 04:22:47,460
mayor. When I call your name, please state. Yes,
If you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member. No. Council member.

2032
04:22:52,140 --> 04:22:52,140
moreno. Yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member.

2033
04:22:57,380 --> 04:22:57,380
no. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member.

2034
04:23:03,540 --> 04:23:03,540
blair. Yes. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member.

2035
04:23:08,780 --> 04:23:08,780
stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth. No. Council member.

2036
04:23:13,580 --> 04:23:13,580
mendelsohn. No. Council member. Willis. Yes. Council member.

2037
04:23:18,690 --> 04:23:18,690
ridley. No. Deputy mayor. Pro tem johnson. Yes.

2038
04:23:24,930 --> 04:23:24,930
mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor. Johnson. Yes.

2039
04:23:31,850 --> 04:23:35,170
with nine voting in favor, six opposed. The motion passes. Mr. Mayor. Deputy mayor pro tem. For what purpose?

2040
04:23:39,570 --> 04:23:39,570
I have a motion. Go ahead. I move to direct the city manager to engage an independent
Transportation consultant.

2041
04:23:46,130 --> 04:23:46,130
to support overall delivery of all transportation components related to the kay bailey
Hutchison convention center dallas master plan and seek community input and brief

2042
04:23:56,050 --> 04:23:56,050
the city council on additional options using the houston and jefferson viaduct to access
Downtown.

2043
04:24:02,890 --> 04:24:05,650
parliamentary inquiry. It's been moved and seconded. State your inquiry. I'd like to question if the motion is in order.

2044
04:24:09,730 --> 04:24:09,730
when we voted on the posted item which disposed of it,
And I don't believe there is a item that's been posted that corresponds with a motion

2045
04:24:18,730 --> 04:24:18,730
made. Thank you very much. We'll take that under advisement right now.

2046
04:24:27,730 --> 04:24:27,730
the permanent inquiry. The answer to your inquiry is that according to the
Parliamentarian,

2047
04:24:32,690 --> 04:24:32,690
the motion is in order. And can you state which agenda item it corresponds to?

2048
04:24:41,810 --> 04:24:41,810
this is for item number 90 and it is merely asking the.

2049
04:24:46,530 --> 04:24:46,530
it is asking for future information on this item.

2050
04:24:51,090 --> 04:24:53,410
I'd like to continue my parliamentary inquiry. Yes. Continue. Would it have been a. Would it have been appropriate to have amended the motion
To include that.

2051
04:25:00,090 --> 04:25:00,090
but now not proper, since we have disposed of the item.

2052
04:25:05,370 --> 04:25:05,370
we have not moved to another item yet. There is still the opportunity to get the floor by
The deputy mayor pro tem.

2053
04:25:10,770 --> 04:25:13,250
he was recognized by the mayor. He made the motion. Thank you. We are on the motion that the deputy mayor pro tem made just now related to
Item

2054
04:25:22,920 --> 04:25:22,920
90. And I'll recognize chairman west for five minutes on the motion by the deputy mayor
Pro tem.

2055
04:25:34,560 --> 04:25:38,040
did you hear that? You heard the motion, right. Could you repeat it,
Please? I'll let him repeat it. Not count against your time.

2056
04:25:40,600 --> 04:25:44,200
just go ahead and just reread it. No editorializing. Just the actual language. That's all we're allowing.

2057
04:25:47,800 --> 04:25:47,800
I move to direct the city manager to engage an independent transportation consultant,
To support overall delivery of all transportation components related to the kay bailey

2058
04:25:57,240 --> 04:25:57,240
hutchison convention center dallas master plan and seek community input and brief the city
Council on additional options using the houston and jefferson viaducts

2059
04:26:07,200 --> 04:26:07,200
to access downtown. That's the motion, sir. Okay.

2060
04:26:13,080 --> 04:26:13,080
thank you. Just a I had an amendment that I was going to add in on this if we got to this
Point.

2061
04:26:19,000 --> 04:26:19,000
is your intention deputy mayor pro tem that the consultant would seek input from city
Council before beginning the traffic analysis,

2062
04:26:27,440 --> 04:26:27,440
meaning they would seek if you'd want. You can answer the question if you'd like.

2063
04:26:32,480 --> 04:26:32,480
it counts against his time. You don't have to. He can't ask you questions. You're not
Staffer unless you consent to.

2064
04:26:37,840 --> 04:26:37,840
please clarify that. My request is that the consultant would seek input from city council
Before beginning the traffic analysis.

2065
04:26:47,760 --> 04:26:47,760
no, I would my my motion is to, again, to engage in independent transportation
Transportation consultant to support overall delivery of all transportation components

2066
04:26:57,760 --> 04:26:57,760
relating to the kay bailey hutchison convention center,
Dallas master plan. I want I want to move to direct the city manager to do that.

2067
04:27:08,400 --> 04:27:08,400
so I would like to ask the city manager to respond to chair west amendment.

2068
04:27:14,070 --> 04:27:16,430
I was just waiting for my turn. Thank you so very much. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson, if I understand correctly councilmember west,
What you're suggesting is that for the support of the independent transportation

2069
04:27:26,310 --> 04:27:26,310
consultant that I think is included in the motion from the deputy mayor pro tem is to have
An opportunity before that consultant begins any work,

2070
04:27:34,350 --> 04:27:34,350
to spend time with council, getting a better understanding of what might be potential
Considerations,

2071
04:27:41,070 --> 04:27:41,070
options that you would like for them to pursue. Did I understand what you're meaning
Correctly? You did. Exactly. And my answer would be I would support that.

2072
04:27:48,670 --> 04:27:48,670
okay. Thank you, city manager. What I'm trying to avoid is an amendment to the motion so
That we don't have two rounds of five,

2073
04:27:55,150 --> 04:27:55,150
three, one. So if if the second question I have is would the consultant also would it be
Within their scope to do one

2074
04:28:04,830 --> 04:28:08,430
public community meeting during this process? Citywide, and especially in north oak cliff. I strongly support that,
And I think it would be an opportunity to not only do the community engagement,

2075
04:28:16,110 --> 04:28:16,110
but to be able to bring back that result and be able to talk to the council,
Whether we do it through the transportation committee,

2076
04:28:21,710 --> 04:28:21,710
which I do believe should be the way we continue to move forward and then bring it to the
Full body.

2077
04:28:26,590 --> 04:28:26,590
so that would be a part of the scope that we would develop for the independent
Transportation consultant to support.

2078
04:28:32,510 --> 04:28:32,510
so I think it's important if we're going to have an outside company supporting the work
That they should be in community meetings where they can answer questions about the work

2079
04:28:42,470 --> 04:28:42,470
that they're actually conducting and not have those questions necessarily answered by
Staff.

2080
04:28:47,270 --> 04:28:47,270
so I support the spirit of it, and I do believe that it allows for us to bring a fresh set
Of eyes and perspective to the options that we would like to bring back to the council.

2081
04:28:56,830 --> 04:28:56,830
thank you. I and I appreciate all of that. I think it's really important at this point
That we build trust with the community and that the city shows that community input is

2082
04:29:06,300 --> 04:29:06,300
important and is going to be built into whatever comes from this.

2083
04:29:10,860 --> 04:29:10,860
thank you, chairwoman mendelsohn. Recognized for five minutes on the deputy mayor pro tem
Motion.

2084
04:29:16,820 --> 04:29:16,820
thank you. I'd like to know what the source of funds is for this consultant in the
Convention center's budget.

2085
04:29:25,020 --> 04:29:25,020
we always had additional work that we knew would need to be done to support the overall
Convention center,

2086
04:29:31,580 --> 04:29:31,580
with all the transportation components, and it's built into the way we understood a lot of
The complexities in and around the convention center.

2087
04:29:40,220 --> 04:29:44,020
some of the work that's already happening with txdot,
With interstate 30. So it's been a transportation line item in the convention center master plan.

2088
04:29:49,020 --> 04:29:49,020
so you have this item in the budget. My answer again is that as part of the overall
Convention center master plan budget,

2089
04:29:58,940 --> 04:29:58,940
we always included support to have transportation work done in and around the convention
Center.

2090
04:30:04,460 --> 04:30:04,460
I would like to get a copy of that budget that specifies where these kinds of consultants
And transportation line item is.

2091
04:30:11,540 --> 04:30:11,540
in fact, I would like to get an answer to the memo I sent about the convention center
Finances.

2092
04:30:16,900 --> 04:30:16,900
so that's that one. Is there a limit to the dollar amount that you can spend,
Or is this another open checkbook item?

2093
04:30:28,300 --> 04:30:28,300
as you know. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. We don't have open checkbooks. I don't have the
Number right in front of me,

2094
04:30:33,580 --> 04:30:33,580
but it would be within the scope of the budget that we planned for the convention center
Master plan. So can you give me an upper limit on what would be spent?

2095
04:30:44,340 --> 04:30:44,340
I can answer that. At this moment, it's going to be based on the scope that we develop for
The work that we need,

2096
04:30:49,700 --> 04:30:52,940
and then have an opportunity for responses to that scope. At that time, we would negotiate what that number is.

2097
04:30:55,780 --> 04:30:55,780
if it's under a certain amount that is at the city manager's authority,
That item does not have to come to the council.

2098
04:31:01,460 --> 04:31:01,460
if it's over a certain amount, we bring it to the council. And I think the number,
If I correct me if I'm wrong staff,

2099
04:31:06,970 --> 04:31:06,970
is it is it 300 or half a million if it's professional services.

2100
04:31:13,170 --> 04:31:13,170
300 so if it's over a $300,000 amount, we would bring it to the council anyway for
Approval.

2101
04:31:19,450 --> 04:31:19,450
but I won't be able to tell you an answer to that until we develop the scope that's needed
To support the work.

2102
04:31:25,570 --> 04:31:25,570
I think I understand the motion is to make sure that this is a transportation consultant
That can help with all other parts of delivery around transportation for the project.

2103
04:31:33,970 --> 04:31:33,970
so let us do the work, and we will bring that back to council or even share with you
Through a memorandum of what the potential scope and dollar amount would be.

2104
04:31:42,810 --> 04:31:42,810
well, I'm sitting here just thinking about the irony of having to lower the convention
Center because of the budget increase and now spending more money on

2105
04:31:52,210 --> 04:31:52,210
consultants, and we don't even know how much that will be.

2106
04:31:57,130 --> 04:31:57,130
are there already consultants that are involved in transportation in this project.

2107
04:32:06,050 --> 04:32:06,050
I think the transportation department, we've had the work that I think was mentioned
Earlier that hntb has supported,

2108
04:32:13,170 --> 04:32:17,010
as well as I think there was a scope from gresham smith mr.. Thank you, madam city manager. So, yes, there are consultants who are involved in this
Project,

2109
04:32:22,410 --> 04:32:22,410
but based if I understood the motion correctly,
This will have to be a newly procured consultant and precludes those who are currently

2110
04:32:29,770 --> 04:32:29,770
affiliated with the work that is ongoing at the moment.

2111
04:32:33,850 --> 04:32:33,850
so what is it exactly? We think a different consultant is going to come up with that hntb
Didn't.

2112
04:32:40,650 --> 04:32:40,650
I mean, they're a very reputable company. I mean,
A large, reputable company.

2113
04:32:47,050 --> 04:32:47,050
what is it that we think somebody might be able to come up with that hasn't already been
Considered?

2114
04:32:52,530 --> 04:32:52,530
well, again, I will, as the madam city manager mentioned,
Is that I have to we have to develop this scope and look at what is it that is going to be

2115
04:33:02,360 --> 04:33:02,360
delivered that is different than what the current consultants are unable to deliver or
Have not delivered yet.

2116
04:33:08,680 --> 04:33:08,680
so and that's, that's something that we'll have to discuss.

2117
04:33:13,280 --> 04:33:13,280
but like I said, if it is independent it will have to be a different consultant that you
Know,

2118
04:33:20,200 --> 04:33:23,960
that is not affiliated with the current project or current work. Okay. Well, I'm sorry, this just makes no sense to me that we would just hire another one
If we don't even know the scope.

2119
04:33:31,720 --> 04:33:31,720
why couldn't hntb do this work? Like change the scope and ask them to do the next thing?

2120
04:33:38,080 --> 04:33:38,080
so. Council member mendelsohn, you mentioned earlier and so did council member west that
You'd like to add a piece like the streetcar extension.

2121
04:33:47,680 --> 04:33:47,680
so, you know, the scope, as the city manager mentioned is about the entire convention
Center interpretation

2122
04:33:57,200 --> 04:33:57,200
plan that is a component that had been contemplated at an earlier point is my
Understanding.

2123
04:34:04,240 --> 04:34:04,240
so this is, this aligns with being able to perhaps bring some additional ideas to the
Table for this particular piece of

2124
04:34:13,800 --> 04:34:13,800
transportation. But there are other transportation elements associated with the overall
Project.

2125
04:34:20,040 --> 04:34:20,040
so are you firing hntb then? No, they are not being fired.

2126
04:34:25,440 --> 04:34:25,440
they're they have a scope of work that they're currently working on.

2127
04:34:30,400 --> 04:34:30,400
what we're asking for is an independent consultant to come in and,
You know, as I understand the motion to come in and perhaps offer

2128
04:34:40,240 --> 04:34:40,240
some additional alternatives, but that would not be the sole scope of work.

2129
04:34:45,200 --> 04:34:45,200
it would be for all the transportation components. We talked about streets like
Ceremonial.

2130
04:34:50,960 --> 04:34:50,960
and we talked about connectivity to lamar and we talked about the streetcar.

2131
04:34:55,960 --> 04:34:55,960
so there are other transportation components associated with the convention center.

2132
04:35:01,680 --> 04:35:01,680
well, this is sort of giving me deja vu about this whole city hall issue that we just
Keep.

2133
04:35:07,480 --> 04:35:07,480
oh, we don't like this answer. Let's go to another consultant and get even worse answers.

2134
04:35:11,760 --> 04:35:11,760
and this is why our budget is blown. We just keep hiring more and more consultants to redo
The same work we already know and already have.

2135
04:35:19,760 --> 04:35:19,760
thank you. Was that all? I want to make sure,
Miss blackmon, you

2136
04:35:29,640 --> 04:35:29,640
recognized for five minutes. Thank you. And I want to thank everybody who came today.

2137
04:35:34,280 --> 04:35:34,280
I know it's a long been a long day, and I think this is an opportunity to reset the
Project and to get it right because it needs to benefit the

2138
04:35:43,800 --> 04:35:43,800
entire city. It shouldn't benefit just the people who come to visit or the people who live
On the east side or the south side or the southeast side.

2139
04:35:51,360 --> 04:35:53,630
it really should benefit the entire district. So instead of putting it in the motion, I kind of just put on the record some guiding
Principles that it's important that the viaduct stay in place.

2140
04:36:01,990 --> 04:36:01,990
we've heard how it connects the community and they serve our community,
And removing them would create more problems than solutions.

2141
04:36:08,990 --> 04:36:08,990
and the, the keeping the height of the kbh convention center,
Because we know that changing that height would set us back to a tier two,

2142
04:36:18,030 --> 04:36:18,030
which means a real hit not only to the the convention and business,
But to our budget.

2143
04:36:24,070 --> 04:36:24,070
and that includes the arts. And so it really does make a difference in how we we pursue
This.

2144
04:36:32,270 --> 04:36:32,270
any decisions that are made should honor the spirit of the art oak farm transportation
Plan.

2145
04:36:39,630 --> 04:36:39,630
the details of that plan are very specific, but it shows multimodal connections,
And I think that is what the community's vision is and their desire.

2146
04:36:48,750 --> 04:36:48,750
and we should stay true to that. We cannot afford to lose any vehicular traffic capacity.

2147
04:36:54,350 --> 04:36:54,350
our streets are busy, and reducing that capacity could have challenges for our residents,
Our workers,

2148
04:36:58,750 --> 04:36:58,750
and our visitors. Travel times, they should not,
You know, 5 to 10 minutes of increase.

2149
04:37:06,310 --> 04:37:06,310
that reliable connections are a, a vital part of our community.

2150
04:37:11,950 --> 04:37:11,950
and I would say that all the traffic planning should come through the convention and event
Services with the whole team looking at it versus in

2151
04:37:21,790 --> 04:37:24,310
silos. And I think somebody said it was siloed. And I think that's what got us here. But in all of this,
We value community input and now is the time to do it.

2152
04:37:32,470 --> 04:37:32,470
but we have got a lot of things that we have to get done in doing this.

2153
04:37:36,870 --> 04:37:36,870
and so I think being patient and being understanding and having that ability to sit down
And talk to one another and to work through the problems.

2154
04:37:46,550 --> 04:37:46,550
I mean, y'all are smart folks. I know, I know you guys from professionally and working.

2155
04:37:51,420 --> 04:37:51,420
y'all can figure it out. And I think the time crunch of,
You know, you had six weeks and you had two weeks.

2156
04:37:56,660 --> 04:37:56,660
it does get complicated. And I do think the community knows best of what they experience,
How they feel.

2157
04:38:04,460 --> 04:38:07,780
so I think with all of you working together,
We can get there. That is the dallas can do spirit. And so I, I challenge you to get together,
Work through it.

2158
04:38:14,820 --> 04:38:14,820
and I look forward to seeing what comes back because we've seen it done before.

2159
04:38:19,020 --> 04:38:19,020
we have two. We have one park over a bridge,
Two parks over a bridge.

2160
04:38:23,060 --> 04:38:26,420
who thought that was ever going to happen? It can happen. And so I think that we are in a good place, and I hope we get there.

2161
04:38:30,540 --> 04:38:30,540
and I do hope that this part of dallas does thrive.

2162
04:38:34,820 --> 04:38:34,820
and it was a hard vote for me because I know the connections to this building,
But I also know what it means to people who live and work in this environment.

2163
04:38:43,260 --> 04:38:43,260
and I can't do that. I cannot cut off an economic engine for this.

2164
04:38:48,780 --> 04:38:48,780
for my ego. So good luck and I guess we'll see you back in same time,
Same bat channel in two months.

2165
04:38:55,820 --> 04:38:59,820
thank you. Miss kidney. Recognized for five minutes. Yes. Well, I heard that there would be one community meeting.

2166
04:39:03,780 --> 04:39:03,780
I would hope, miss city manager, that we would have more than one community meeting and
Perhaps a charrette style where people are able to show where their concerns are and maybe

2167
04:39:13,380 --> 04:39:13,380
we can work to address those. Because I think that would give people an opportunity to
Provide input and not just listen to information.

2168
04:39:21,300 --> 04:39:21,300
so that's my one request. Chairwoman will is recognized for five minutes.

2169
04:39:28,060 --> 04:39:28,060
thank you mayor. So I with the previous motion and passing and then with this amendment,
I like this parallel path because we can keep our

2170
04:39:37,740 --> 04:39:40,820
convention center on track. We don't need to be tier two. We're not into this to be tier two. But this allows us to continue work on these
Alternatives.

2171
04:39:46,730 --> 04:39:46,730
and those are the key words, I think, in this motion is community engagement and
Additional options,

2172
04:39:53,890 --> 04:39:53,890
because we know we want to maintain the multimodal connectivity and the accessibility.

2173
04:40:00,330 --> 04:40:00,330
thank you to everyone who came. I think we've lost a few people,
But we have to acknowledge that there are businesses at either end of these viaducts and

2174
04:40:08,050 --> 04:40:08,050
all of these bridges, and acknowledge the local commuter experience and the local resident
Experience,

2175
04:40:14,410 --> 04:40:14,410
so you're not left out of that equation. And so taking this step allows us to take this
Step forward,

2176
04:40:21,050 --> 04:40:21,050
allows us to take a step back and, and participate in some of the community engagement and
Use some of the methods that we have found that have been

2177
04:40:30,570 --> 04:40:30,570
helpful in making sure people feel heard. So in terms of the vendors,
If we want to add to the scope of our contracted professionals

2178
04:40:40,370 --> 04:40:43,250
and just evaluate all of that, I would be fine with that. You know the words procurement process. I mean,
That just tacks on so much time.

2179
04:40:46,810 --> 04:40:46,810
however, if we need to go that route for true larger scope,
Look, okay, but I'm, I would be okay with looking at that,

2180
04:40:55,050 --> 04:40:55,050
expanding that scope as well. And so I believe it was brought up about,
Can we give some direction around this?

2181
04:41:01,050 --> 04:41:01,050
and what I've heard today is about the number of lanes coming in and out.

2182
04:41:06,530 --> 04:41:06,530
in fact, I heard it confirmed that we were going to be maintaining lanes in and out like
Three and with the option for three coming or going back out that we're

2183
04:41:16,450 --> 04:41:16,450
not cutting off sections. That's just not going to happen. There's no demolition,
You know, all these words that we just need to,

2184
04:41:22,450 --> 04:41:26,130
you know, set aside their conscious untruths. How, how much variance of travel time are we willing to tolerate or are residents willing
To tolerate?

2185
04:41:31,690 --> 04:41:31,690
so I feel like there's some direction that we can get,
We can get from residents, but that we can turn around and give so that what our selected

2186
04:41:40,290 --> 04:41:40,290
vendor comes back with is is hearing those who have shown up today and who have shared
Their concerns.

2187
04:41:46,880 --> 04:41:46,880
but while we can continue with this project being on track,
Because if you remember right after the kitten mr.

2188
04:41:53,640 --> 04:41:53,640
davis spoke and those numbers were really staggering.

2189
04:41:57,720 --> 04:42:00,240
so, you know, we can't afford to go backward on that. We're already going to suffer an economic impact.

2190
04:42:02,800 --> 04:42:02,800
so I will support your amendment or your motion.

2191
04:42:08,120 --> 04:42:08,120
deputy mayor. Deputy mayor pro tem be recognized for five minutes.

2192
04:42:14,760 --> 04:42:14,760
thank you, mr. Mayor. I just want to make sure it's clear it is our job as the elected
Officials to host community meetings.

2193
04:42:23,800 --> 04:42:23,800
that's our job. So, city manager, when we call on you,
You will be able to bring the administration

2194
04:42:33,720 --> 04:42:37,320
out for our community members, correct? Yes,
Sir. We we covered the city on any committees, any conversations that you want to have out in
The community.

2195
04:42:44,120 --> 04:42:44,120
that is our responsibility, but we definitely like to do that in partnership with the city
Council.

2196
04:42:49,080 --> 04:42:49,080
so it never appears as if it's staff versus the council or staff versus community.

2197
04:42:53,880 --> 04:42:53,880
and so my recommendation would be, as we begin to look at ways to do the community
Engagement,

2198
04:42:59,520 --> 04:42:59,520
I love the recommendation that councilwoman cadena made about the type and the style that
We would still do it in partnership with the council.

2199
04:43:07,320 --> 04:43:07,320
so it doesn't look like we're out sharing information and holding meetings,
And the council member or the council members are not a part of it.

2200
04:43:14,400 --> 04:43:18,080
it just makes it much more effective when we do it together. Thank you. And I want to also say that you're not limiting any council member to only one
Meeting.

2201
04:43:24,280 --> 04:43:27,400
if we choose to have an additional meeting, that is our choice. Am I correct? Yes, sir. Deputy mayor pro tem,
That is your choice.

2202
04:43:31,600 --> 04:43:31,600
and if you request staff's presence, it's my responsibility to make sure that staff is
There to support your meetings.

2203
04:43:37,630 --> 04:43:37,630
thank you. I just wanted to make sure we go on the record,
Because it seemed like the narrative that we're looking at the administration and saying,

2204
04:43:43,390 --> 04:43:43,390
we want you to host the community meeting, and that's our job as elected officials.

2205
04:43:48,390 --> 04:43:48,390
and so I've had several community meetings. As a matter of fact,
I'm gonna have one on monday.

2206
04:43:52,630 --> 04:43:55,910
and then when we're going to be talking about the bile ducts very soon. It's already already planned in my on my calendar.

2207
04:43:59,030 --> 04:43:59,030
talk to my staff today. So it is our job as elected officials to host our community
Meetings and invite the staff to come out so that they can bring support and answer

2208
04:44:08,590 --> 04:44:08,590
questions to our communities that are needed.

2209
04:44:13,110 --> 04:44:13,110
so I just want to make that go on record because it seemed like we're just looking at the
Administration and do our job when it comes to community meetings, and that's our job.

2210
04:44:20,310 --> 04:44:23,230
thank you. Mayor pro tem recognized for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Just briefly want to express my support for this item. Thank you all
So much.

2211
04:44:28,950 --> 04:44:28,950
anyone else wishing to speak on for or against the motion by the deputy mayor pro tem
Seeing none.

2212
04:44:33,150 --> 04:44:36,350
is the record vote been requested for this? Okay. Madam secretary, go ahead and call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

2213
04:44:40,030 --> 04:44:42,990
mayor. When I call your name, please state. Yes,
If you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west. Yes. Council member.

2214
04:44:50,110 --> 04:44:50,110
moreno. Yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member.

2215
04:44:55,110 --> 04:44:55,110
yes. Council member. Bazaldua. Yes. Council member.

2216
04:45:01,270 --> 04:45:01,270
blair. Yes. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member.

2217
04:45:05,310 --> 04:45:09,190
stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. No. Council member. Willis. Yes. Council member ridley.

2218
04:45:15,990 --> 04:45:15,990
no. Deputy mayor. Pro tem johnson. Yes. Mayor pro tem resendez.

2219
04:45:20,950 --> 04:45:20,950
yes. Mayor johnson. Yes. With 13 voting in favor to oppose the motion passes,
Mr.

2220
04:45:27,750 --> 04:45:27,750
mayor. Okay, let's move on. We will now go back to our pulled items.

2221
04:45:34,260 --> 04:45:34,260
thank you, mr. Mayor. Give me one second.

2222
04:45:55,660 --> 04:45:55,660
your first pulled item is agenda item six. Agenda item six is a resolution declaring the
Month of july as disability pride month

2223
04:46:05,700 --> 04:46:05,700
and directing the city manager to fly the disability pride flag with the city of dallas
Seal,

2224
04:46:11,700 --> 04:46:11,700
as depicted in exhibit a on the flagpole at city hall plaza in place of the city of dallas
Official flag from july 15th,

2225
04:46:20,660 --> 04:46:20,660
2026 to july 31st, 2026, and annually thereafter,
From july 1st to july 31st to celebrate

2226
04:46:30,660 --> 04:46:30,660
disability pride. You do have three individuals who have signed up to speak on the item
John connolly.

2227
04:46:44,540 --> 04:46:44,540
john connolly okay.

2228
04:47:08,460 --> 04:47:08,460
like this. Okay. All right. Good afternoon, honorable mayor johnson and members of city
Council.

2229
04:47:17,980 --> 04:47:17,980
my name is john connolly. Alongside my seeing eye dog,
Mr.

2230
04:47:22,460 --> 04:47:22,460
deputy. And I am the chair of the city of dallas commission on disabilities.

2231
04:47:29,020 --> 04:47:29,020
thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak,
As my comments are reflective both of my role and perspectives.

2232
04:47:37,660 --> 04:47:37,660
as a private citizen who strongly believes in the importance of visibility and
Representation,

2233
04:47:46,500 --> 04:47:46,500
people with disabilities throughout history experienced discrimination,
Segregation, prejudice,

2234
04:47:53,940 --> 04:47:53,940
marginalization, neglect, and in some cases,
Violence and persecution simply for being who they are.

2235
04:48:04,220 --> 04:48:04,220
the disability pride flag is a symbol of solidarity,
Unity and empowerment, enabling us and bringing people

2236
04:48:14,140 --> 04:48:14,140
together, allowing them to express voices. In other words,
This flag symbolizes three of those things that I just mentioned

2237
04:48:24,860 --> 04:48:24,860
allowing people with disabilities to elevate their voices,
Who for many years have been forced to stay silent.

2238
04:48:33,330 --> 04:48:33,330
this flag matters because it affirms that all people with disabilities are deserving of
Dignity,

2239
04:48:40,010 --> 04:48:40,010
respect, and recognition. In addition, it highlights the lived experiences of these
Individuals and recognizes their achievements.

2240
04:48:50,250 --> 04:48:50,250
moreover, it honors the contributions of these individuals and sheds light on struggles
They face

2241
04:48:59,570 --> 04:48:59,570
continuously, as well as the determination they hold in overcoming those barriers.

2242
04:49:06,570 --> 04:49:06,570
and lastly, it promotes awareness about accessibility,
Equal opportunity, and full participation in community life

2243
04:49:16,810 --> 04:49:16,810
by raising the disability pride flag. The city of dallas can reaffirm its commitment to
Accessibility and inclusion by

2244
04:49:26,410 --> 04:49:26,410
fostering that greater sense of belonging. Therefore,
I respectfully ask that city council members vote yes on this

2245
04:49:36,330 --> 04:49:36,330
resolution, as the more time we devote to listening to people with disabilities and
Sharing their truths,

2246
04:49:44,690 --> 04:49:44,690
the better force we can be in driving the positive change that everyone so rightfully
Deserves.

2247
04:49:51,890 --> 04:49:51,890
thank you for your attention. Thank you. Just briefly,
Want to remind everyone to please

2248
04:50:01,890 --> 04:50:04,530
hold the applause. Thank you so much. Thank you. Candace. Wiggs.

2249
04:50:31,840 --> 04:50:35,600
good afternoon, mayor, mayor and members of the city council. My name is doctor candace wicks and I am a resident of district three,
A proud lifetime resident of dallas,

2250
04:50:45,360 --> 04:50:45,360
texas, former teacher of the year for the dallas independent school district,
A member of the dart paratransit advisory group

2251
04:50:54,720 --> 04:50:54,720
and a member of the disability commission. I am coming before you today to urge the city
Of

2252
04:51:04,560 --> 04:51:04,560
dallas to raise the disability flag here at city hall this july.

2253
04:51:11,480 --> 04:51:11,480
this isn't just a piece of cloth or fabric. It is about honoring the real,
Everyday lives of

2254
04:51:21,920 --> 04:51:21,920
thousands and hundreds of thousands of dallas residents living with disabilities.

2255
04:51:28,360 --> 04:51:28,360
it is about signaling to the citizens of dallas that people living with disabilities,
Neighbors,

2256
04:51:36,680 --> 04:51:36,680
coworkers, and friends are seen, valued, and fully belong in our city.

2257
04:51:45,400 --> 04:51:45,400
to understand why this matters, we only need to look at community leaders such as myself.

2258
04:51:52,200 --> 04:51:52,200
those of us who have given our lives to educating children and then having a catastrophe
Illness take

2259
04:52:01,920 --> 04:52:01,920
over, but not shrinking into a corner, fighting back fiercely and speaking up,
Stepping up

2260
04:52:11,840 --> 04:52:11,840
for those who have no voice and feel as though they are unseen and have no hope.

2261
04:52:19,950 --> 04:52:19,950
people like me organize and protect dark paratransit riders.

2262
04:52:26,790 --> 04:52:26,790
we travel hundreds of miles to fight for voting rights.

2263
04:52:31,550 --> 04:52:31,550
and let me remind you that we are voters and our basic access is a civil right that must
Be

2264
04:52:40,950 --> 04:52:40,950
actively defended every single day right here in dallas,
Texas.

2265
04:52:47,190 --> 04:52:47,190
so I humbly ask you to do a 15 to 0 vote in affirmation that the

2266
04:52:56,710 --> 04:52:56,710
citizens of dallas who are disabled are a full part of this city.

2267
04:53:03,070 --> 04:53:03,070
we deserve the same quality of life as each and every member of the city council and all
Of the citizens of dallas,

2268
04:53:12,190 --> 04:53:12,190
texas. And it is a pleasure to serve the city.

2269
04:53:17,670 --> 04:53:17,670
thank you. Melissa collier. Melissa collier it's not present.

2270
04:53:28,550 --> 04:53:31,110
there are no further speakers for this item,
Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, there are no further speakers for this item.

2271
04:53:36,230 --> 04:53:36,230
I'm sorry. Discussion, please. I see cara mendelsohn.

2272
04:53:40,550 --> 04:53:40,550
I'm sorry. There you go. Can do I have a motion to approve?

2273
04:53:44,710 --> 04:53:47,830
second. Okay, there's a motion in a second. I see miss mendelsohn. Okay. Thank you. I would have liked to have been recognized for the motion.

2274
04:53:51,710 --> 04:53:51,710
sorry. And my motion. It would actually be contrary to this.

2275
04:53:56,030 --> 04:53:59,310
so I'm speaking now against the motion. I want to say thank you,
John. I want to thank you, doctor wicks for coming down.

2276
04:54:01,630 --> 04:54:01,630
every single thing you said I 100% agree with except the flag.

2277
04:54:07,830 --> 04:54:07,830
I do have a question for staff. I'm not sure who you'd like to have answer it,
But do we have a standard that can be applied consistently and fairly,

2278
04:54:17,340 --> 04:54:17,340
or do we have or do we just one by one keep considering new flags to add to our
Repertoire?

2279
04:54:27,140 --> 04:54:29,500
I'll ask thor erickson to take that question. Thank you. Hi. Good afternoon. Thor erickson,
Director, office of housing and community empowerment.

2280
04:54:36,260 --> 04:54:36,260
it's my understanding that through our different commissions and work the commissioners
Will advocate for things that advance their select causes.

2281
04:54:45,740 --> 04:54:45,740
in this instance, the commission on disabilities had advocated for this recognition for a
Couple of years.

2282
04:54:51,100 --> 04:54:51,100
and so following the form of previous recognitions through other communities,
We brought this forward through quality of life for consideration,

2283
04:54:59,380 --> 04:54:59,380
to recognize the support. So have you considered that adding flags?

2284
04:55:06,900 --> 04:55:06,900
not this one in particular, but just any kind of flag could turn city hall into a
Battleground for controversial issues that are beyond our own policies.

2285
04:55:18,540 --> 04:55:18,540
yeah, I have personally thought of that. And under the purview of our merged department,
We bring forward things that come through the commissions of which we are

2286
04:55:28,220 --> 04:55:28,220
liaisons for. And so it is our duty to bring that forward to this council for your
Consideration.

2287
04:55:34,700 --> 04:55:34,700
thank you. So, colleagues, what I'm concerned about is this proliferation of
Non-government flags on government property.

2288
04:55:42,820 --> 04:55:42,820
government flags provide neutrality, consistency,
And they avoid mission creep once we start with adding commemorative

2289
04:55:52,140 --> 04:55:52,140
flags. The question is where does it end? There's awareness months for many,
Many causes religious and ethnic heritage flags.

2290
04:56:03,540 --> 04:56:03,540
we can recognize groups and organizations and issues through proclamations,
Ceremonies, educational programs,

2291
04:56:11,260 --> 04:56:11,260
lighting up the buildings, downtown, community events and public art for this flag in
Particular.

2292
04:56:18,090 --> 04:56:18,090
actually enacting the american with disabilities act,
Improving sidewalks, park accessibility,

2293
04:56:24,570 --> 04:56:24,570
and making city services more accessible seems much more meaningful.

2294
04:56:29,130 --> 04:56:29,130
rather than hanging a flag as we have done for many other things.

2295
04:56:35,010 --> 04:56:35,010
finally, I will add this and I hope you really hear what I'm saying here.

2296
04:56:39,570 --> 04:56:39,570
there's a legislative matter associated with that.

2297
04:56:44,290 --> 04:56:44,290
I'm concerned that the state has already cracked down on crosswalks that have a message,
And I've heard legislators talk about this

2298
04:56:54,130 --> 04:56:54,130
issue of non-government flags. By continuing to approve unconventional flags,
We are baiting the state to enact

2299
04:57:03,410 --> 04:57:03,410
legislation that will preempt cities from all kinds of non-government flags.

2300
04:57:09,930 --> 04:57:09,930
so flags we have today will be put at risk. And I would say to you,
Let's find many other ways to celebrate

2301
04:57:19,930 --> 04:57:19,930
the disability community. As you know, as my colleagues,
That I myself am also disabled.

2302
04:57:26,690 --> 04:57:26,690
I feel very strongly about this issue and I appreciate your service on the commission and
Any way I can help you.

2303
04:57:33,970 --> 04:57:33,970
I would like to, but adding a flag, I think is problematic for our city and frankly
Jeopardizes the other flags we already have.

2304
04:57:42,370 --> 04:57:42,370
thank you, councilmember willis. Thank you. Well,
Thank you to our disabilities commissioners,

2305
04:57:48,690 --> 04:57:48,690
miss wicks and mr. Connolly for coming and being so patient today.

2306
04:57:54,090 --> 04:57:54,090
I appreciate you coming and representing your perspective and the work of the commission.

2307
04:57:59,210 --> 04:57:59,210
thank you. And for pointing out a community that's often overlooked and strives for the
Acceptance that so many of us take for granted.

2308
04:58:09,280 --> 04:58:09,280
and I think this is an important message to send,
And I'm only sorry that should this pass,

2309
04:58:13,560 --> 04:58:13,560
it would go up after our fifa visitors are starting to leave dallas because I really like
The message it sends about dallas and about texas to people from around the world.

2310
04:58:22,440 --> 04:58:22,440
I think it's important. And you know, if someone wants to come after dallas because we're
Flying a flag,

2311
04:58:28,840 --> 04:58:28,840
recognizing those with disabilities will then game on.

2312
04:58:33,080 --> 04:58:33,080
I do want to note what this represents. So the colors of the flag red is physical
Disabilities,

2313
04:58:40,680 --> 04:58:40,680
gold, neurodiversity, white invisible disabilities,
Blue emotional and psychiatric disabilities,

2314
04:58:48,160 --> 04:58:48,160
and green sensory disabilities. So I think this is an important message.

2315
04:58:52,600 --> 04:58:56,440
this is something that we can do on city property on a city flagpole. It's not a crosswalk. I, I think if we want to examine this and I,
I'm sensitive and understand,

2316
04:59:03,760 --> 04:59:03,760
you know, the concern about having, many issues brought forth to us.

2317
04:59:07,960 --> 04:59:07,960
that's why we have the quality of life committee to consider this,
But we can start it after this one.

2318
04:59:13,800 --> 04:59:13,800
thank you, mr. Gracey. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I will be supporting this.

2319
04:59:18,680 --> 04:59:18,680
obviously, this came through quality of life. And while miss mendelsohn brings up some,
Some great,

2320
04:59:25,880 --> 04:59:28,920
not great points brings up some valid points. This is the environment that we're in. And just because we're in this environment does not
Mean we don't have to recognize some of those folks.

2321
04:59:36,600 --> 04:59:40,200
so I will be supporting this. And if it comes,
Let it come. It continues to come quite honestly there. So,
But that doesn't mean we don't have to stop.

2322
04:59:46,440 --> 04:59:49,920
we have to stop doing things to recognize the services. And some of the folks, our other residents that are here who have been serving like miss
Wicks and like the chair who have been serving in this capacity for,

2323
04:59:58,400 --> 04:59:58,400
for a while. So again, I do support this. This has come through the,
Through the quality of life.

2324
05:00:03,560 --> 05:00:03,560
and while I do appreciate your concerns, it doesn't mean we don't stop recognizing them.

2325
05:00:08,230 --> 05:00:11,430
we continue to do that until we're told to stop. So thank you. Seeing no further. Okay. Mr. Moreno,
Thank you.

2326
05:00:17,350 --> 05:00:17,350
thank you. Mayor. Can staff remind me how long the flag will fly?

2327
05:00:23,790 --> 05:00:23,790
the, the duration of the of the months. And then it was my understanding that it had to
Have a city seal like our pride flag.

2328
05:00:32,310 --> 05:00:32,310
and so just help me understand if that is a requirement for additional flags.

2329
05:00:38,430 --> 05:00:38,430
I thank you for the questions. Yes, this flag has included the city seal in the middle of
It.

2330
05:00:45,310 --> 05:00:45,310
so there was an updated rendering put out in a friday memo this last friday showcasing the
Updated flag.

2331
05:00:52,430 --> 05:00:52,430
for this year. It will fly july 15th through the end of the year.

2332
05:00:57,070 --> 05:00:57,070
passing of this, we need time to procure the flag in order to,
To get it.

2333
05:01:01,750 --> 05:01:01,750
so the recognition will be for the second half of july,
Which is disability awareness month.

2334
05:01:07,670 --> 05:01:07,670
I'm sorry, you said july 5th through the july 15th,
I believe is the exact date through the end of july through the end of july.

2335
05:01:14,190 --> 05:01:14,190
okay. Thank you. Seeing no further speakers. All those in favor,
Say aye.

2336
05:01:22,710 --> 05:01:22,710
motion prevails. Next item. Oh. I'm sorry. Say it again.

2337
05:01:29,110 --> 05:01:29,110
oh. Any opposed? Me? No. I know two in opposition.

2338
05:01:34,190 --> 05:01:36,710
council member, mendelsohn and ridley. Motion prevails. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item seven.

2339
05:01:42,870 --> 05:01:42,870
item seven authorized the one acceptance of a grant from tenure,
Inc.

2340
05:01:48,430 --> 05:01:48,430
for the ten year financial empowerment program in the amount of $20,000 to support
Financial empowerment,

2341
05:01:56,030 --> 05:01:56,030
community engagement through the administration of a financial stability survey for the
Period april 22nd,

2342
05:02:03,030 --> 05:02:03,030
2026 through march 31st, 2027. Two. Receipt and deposit of funds in an amount not to
Exceed $20,000 in the ten

2343
05:02:12,870 --> 05:02:16,190
year financial empowerment grant fund. Three. Establishment of appropriations in an amount not to exceed $20,000 in the ten year
Financial empowerment grant fund and for

2344
05:02:25,710 --> 05:02:28,910
execution of the grant agreement with tenure,
Inc. And all terms, conditions and documents required by the agreement not to exceed $20,000.

2345
05:02:35,270 --> 05:02:35,270
this item was pulled by. Council member. Mendelsohn. Mr.. Mayor. Move to deny the item.

2346
05:02:40,230 --> 05:02:40,230
is there a second? Is there a second? Hearing.

2347
05:02:51,310 --> 05:02:53,630
well, he just said second. Yeah, I heard a second. So, councilmember roth, thank you. Miss mendelsohn,
You have the floor.

2348
05:02:57,870 --> 05:02:57,870
thank you. This is just a $20,000 grant, and it could easily be overlooked by anyone on
Council.

2349
05:03:04,020 --> 05:03:04,020
but I'd like to just read to you some of the portions of what the item actually says.

2350
05:03:09,660 --> 05:03:09,660
it says this grant will collect resident level data on their employment,
Stability and history of job disruption,

2351
05:03:18,540 --> 05:03:18,540
their duration and financial impact of past employment.

2352
05:03:23,220 --> 05:03:23,220
get this emergency saving levels and saving behavior.

2353
05:03:29,260 --> 05:03:29,260
resident level emergency saving levels okay. Cost of high financial tools during income
Gaps.

2354
05:03:37,700 --> 05:03:37,700
perceived preparedness for future job loss. This is a quote from what the item says.

2355
05:03:43,500 --> 05:03:43,500
this survey is intended to capture localized data on income disruption due to employment
Volatility.

2356
05:03:51,180 --> 05:03:51,180
assess household emergency savings. Do you need the government to assess your emergency
Savings and inform dallas financial empowerment policy and

2357
05:04:01,100 --> 05:04:01,100
supporting interventions. Y'all. None of this is government's business.

2358
05:04:06,940 --> 05:04:06,940
not a single bit of it. Government is stepping way far out of its lane by collecting this
Information,

2359
05:04:13,380 --> 05:04:13,380
and city hall should do its job. This is not city hall's job.

2360
05:04:20,380 --> 05:04:20,380
when we're talking about trying to find spending cuts.

2361
05:04:24,580 --> 05:04:24,580
whoever spent their time applying for this grant,
Whoever was intended to administer this grant,

2362
05:04:31,060 --> 05:04:31,060
this is where we need to cut. Thank you. Any other speakers?

2363
05:04:36,580 --> 05:04:36,580
councilwoman willis? Well. We've got to improve our community's economic

2364
05:04:46,300 --> 05:04:46,300
mobility. And we've got some folks who've never been exposed to what?

2365
05:04:52,460 --> 05:04:52,460
building up finances, taking care of yourself,
Taking care of your family is about.

2366
05:04:59,650 --> 05:04:59,650
and so this kind of program, the kind of program that we did with wings,
With others, I mean,

2367
05:05:05,330 --> 05:05:09,050
financial empowerment programs are nothing new at the city of dallas. We have had these, I think, at district eight,
I know at the community office was the center of a financial empowerment program.

2368
05:05:16,970 --> 05:05:16,970
so while those things sound like if they were in everybody's business yeah,
That would be invasive.

2369
05:05:22,530 --> 05:05:22,530
but when you are a part of a program like this,
I know I've been a financial counselor at interfaith housing coalition.

2370
05:05:31,290 --> 05:05:31,290
these are the questions that you have to ask to help someone along the way to help them
Plan for safety and security financially for their

2371
05:05:40,770 --> 05:05:40,770
family. So while reading it this way sounds very invasive,
As if it was blanket.

2372
05:05:48,090 --> 05:05:48,090
I think that this is targeted for those who are in need.

2373
05:05:52,610 --> 05:05:52,610
I mean, they're going to be identified as qualifying for this kind of program and that
It's exactly what some people need to be able to stand up and make a generational

2374
05:06:01,770 --> 05:06:01,770
difference with their their children and taking care of their business and their families.

2375
05:06:07,970 --> 05:06:07,970
and so I, I see it as the model that others use.

2376
05:06:12,650 --> 05:06:12,650
and so I, I don't object to that. And so I won't support the motion.

2377
05:06:20,130 --> 05:06:23,330
mr. Ridley? Yes. Question for the city manager. What's the city going to do with this information?

2378
05:06:28,850 --> 05:06:28,850
thank you, council member ridley, this is as as stated in the in the eyes and the agenda
Information survey information will be used to to advance

2379
05:06:38,530 --> 05:06:38,530
financial well-being for those who participate in our financial empowerment programs.

2380
05:06:43,010 --> 05:06:43,010
it's a survey that will is going to be, of course,
Voluntary by residents who wish to engage in it so that we can have information financial

2381
05:06:51,560 --> 05:06:51,560
empowerment programs. We don't have any citywide financial empowerment programs.

2382
05:06:56,560 --> 05:06:56,560
we have some that are district specific. I have one in my district,
But we don't have a citywide program.

2383
05:07:04,080 --> 05:07:04,080
and I'm just wondering why we are going to undertake this survey at a cost of $20,000,
Even if it's somebody else's money

2384
05:07:14,720 --> 05:07:14,720
from people who if they're interested in our financial empowerment programs on a district
Basis,

2385
05:07:21,600 --> 05:07:25,120
will already be providing that information to their counselors. And if they're not in a district that has a program,
Then we will be gathering this information unnecessarily.

2386
05:07:32,720 --> 05:07:32,720
and I'm just concerned about the privacy and the security of this information.

2387
05:07:39,800 --> 05:07:39,800
it could contain multiple items of privacy, financial private financial information.

2388
05:07:49,040 --> 05:07:49,040
and now we become responsible for the security of that information.

2389
05:07:53,520 --> 05:07:53,520
and I can contemplate being liable if any of that information is ever the subject of
Inadvertent disclosure.

2390
05:08:02,240 --> 05:08:02,240
we're going to get sued over it. So I don't understand why we need to do this.

2391
05:08:09,640 --> 05:08:09,640
can you provide some detail as to, for example,
What department is going to administer this,

2392
05:08:15,720 --> 05:08:19,560
how they're going to protect the security of the information? Yes, sir. And I'll also ask deputy director jessica galicia from the office of community
Of housing and community empowerment to join me in explaining more about the

2393
05:08:29,200 --> 05:08:29,200
objectives. Et cetera. But certainly we would take precautions to understand what
Information is being shared,

2394
05:08:38,160 --> 05:08:38,160
not collect information that would put the city at a certain risk and make sure that we're
Not collecting private information as stated,

2395
05:08:46,000 --> 05:08:46,000
so precautions would be taken to ensure that the data is being used at a level where it
Could help inform our efforts to be more data driven,

2396
05:08:55,150 --> 05:08:55,150
to understand where there are residents who are needing financial literacy and wellbeing
Services.

2397
05:09:02,070 --> 05:09:04,990
miss gallishaw, can you elaborate there, please? Yes, sure. So the organization tenure actually has a survey.

2398
05:09:10,670 --> 05:09:13,790
we are providing access to it to clients that exist. We're not doing any outreach. We're getting revenue.

2399
05:09:16,750 --> 05:09:16,750
if a certain number of them take the survey. The questions in the survey do have
Information,

2400
05:09:21,790 --> 05:09:21,790
but they're not individually identifiable. The information about savings,
About financial information is ranges.

2401
05:09:28,350 --> 05:09:31,790
for example, have you what's the longest you've held a job? It's less than 18 months. That's not a specific amounts in terms of the responses to the
Questions.

2402
05:09:38,830 --> 05:09:38,830
and it's not identifiable for the client. Well,
If it's not identifiable by person, what good is it.

2403
05:09:44,550 --> 05:09:44,550
it's not going to help council them. What is the purpose for gathering anonymized data?

2404
05:09:51,390 --> 05:09:51,390
it's providing information that can be aggregated at a level that we can understand around
Different areas and communities.

2405
05:09:59,430 --> 05:09:59,430
and so that we can inform our strategy and we earn revenue by allowing the residents the
Opportunity to participate if they choose.

2406
05:10:06,710 --> 05:10:06,710
and if we don't have residents that want to participate in the survey,
Then we simply don't get the revenue.

2407
05:10:12,190 --> 05:10:14,510
well, that sounds like a lot of gobbledygook to me. We have we have contractors who provide the financial empowerment counseling.

2408
05:10:20,830 --> 05:10:24,190
do we not? We don't do that with city employees. Correct. We have contractors that do that. So how is this survey data going to be conveyed
To those consultants?

2409
05:10:31,310 --> 05:10:31,310
will it just be passed through the city without our seeing it,
Or is it going to go directly to that contractor?

2410
05:10:39,750 --> 05:10:39,750
we will get the the summary data from the organization,
From the from the responses that are coming.

2411
05:10:46,100 --> 05:10:46,100
okay. And so what exactly are we going to do with this summary data?

2412
05:10:50,980 --> 05:10:50,980
we can use it to inform our strategy. And we're also able to strategy over what our
Strategy for financial empowerment programing.

2413
05:11:00,140 --> 05:11:00,140
well okay. Maybe you'd better outline what that financial empowerment programing is,
Because I don't know of any city wide program to do that.

2414
05:11:08,580 --> 05:11:08,580
we have four partners that do financial empowerment centers programing.

2415
05:11:13,660 --> 05:11:16,260
we have partners or contractors, right. Contractors. Correct. So we have the contractor that you referenced that we're working with.

2416
05:11:21,180 --> 05:11:21,180
and additionally through community development block grant funds,
We're moving forward with three additional partners.

2417
05:11:27,420 --> 05:11:27,420
and collectively between those three, those four,
Well, three total will be able to serve a large number of residents in sites across the

2418
05:11:36,780 --> 05:11:36,780
community. And so these partners are able to serve in home locations,
But they're also offering services through locations such as our community centers

2419
05:11:47,220 --> 05:11:47,220
and financial empowerment. Coaching can also be provided virtually or via telephonic if
Necessary,

2420
05:11:54,020 --> 05:11:56,620
so that residents from the entire community can access. So these contractors provide individualized counseling for people who want it.

2421
05:12:02,340 --> 05:12:02,340
correct? Correct. So how is someone else's anonymized,
Summarized data going to help

2422
05:12:11,260 --> 05:12:11,260
individuals who are being counseled? Won't they be more interested in providing their own
Information to the counselor?

2423
05:12:19,300 --> 05:12:22,540
it doesn't have to be just clients of the program. That was our intended outreach because that's an easy way to do it.

2424
05:12:25,700 --> 05:12:25,700
it could be other residents as well that could participate in that survey and provide
General information.

2425
05:12:32,340 --> 05:12:35,980
it's not linked individually to individual clients. Well, I understand that and that's exactly my point.

2426
05:12:38,780 --> 05:12:38,780
why would anyone else provide their data if they're not going through financial
Counseling?

2427
05:12:44,690 --> 05:12:44,690
the provider does offer them. I believe that they offer them a,
A gift certificate for participating.

2428
05:12:54,970 --> 05:12:54,970
a gift card for how much? I think $20. Well,
I'm more interested in what's going to be done with that data.

2429
05:13:03,130 --> 05:13:03,130
and I still haven't heard why the city is interested in gathering this data.

2430
05:13:11,090 --> 05:13:11,090
to, I assume, facilitate these contractors in rendering their counseling services when
Those contractors are going to

2431
05:13:20,930 --> 05:13:20,930
gain the personal information from people who come to them wanting their services.

2432
05:13:26,730 --> 05:13:26,730
so it's not it doesn't have to be data just from those individuals who are looking for
Seeking services.

2433
05:13:32,410 --> 05:13:32,410
it could be anyone. It is a opportunity for the city to generate revenue to support the
Cost of implementing or doing outreach for the program.

2434
05:13:41,130 --> 05:13:45,050
it's not a large amount of money, but it's also not a large amount of effort. Well, wait a minute. How does this survey generate income for the city?

2435
05:13:50,370 --> 05:13:50,370
because if we have 125 residents complete the survey,
Then we receive funding.

2436
05:13:57,010 --> 05:13:57,010
oh, so if we only get 100 people respond, we get nothing.

2437
05:14:02,250 --> 05:14:02,250
correct. And so we've gone through the expense of generating these surveys.

2438
05:14:07,850 --> 05:14:07,850
and we don't get to use the 20,000. We have not gone through the the expense of generating
Services.

2439
05:14:15,170 --> 05:14:15,170
this organization supports financial empowerment work in cities across the country.

2440
05:14:19,650 --> 05:14:23,210
and this is a survey tool that they already have that exists. Well, okay, if they have the tool, what's the city doing with this $20,000?

2441
05:14:29,090 --> 05:14:29,090
we would use it to support outreach, engagement and other activities in support of our
Financial empowerment work.

2442
05:14:36,360 --> 05:14:36,360
well, what does that mean? Outreach and facilitate financial empowerment that the city
Would use the money for.

2443
05:14:43,920 --> 05:14:43,920
if we're working with contractors to provide those services.

2444
05:14:49,760 --> 05:14:49,760
so. Well, we can do a whole variety of things with funding that comes to us that is
Unrestricted and through a grant revenue opportunity.

2445
05:14:59,360 --> 05:14:59,360
it can offset any of our costs in terms of management or oversight,
The program, it could allow us to host individual community level educational

2446
05:15:07,800 --> 05:15:07,800
opportunities. It could allow us to host events or engagements at community centers,
At community at recreation centers or other places to do outreach

2447
05:15:17,480 --> 05:15:17,480
and make our residents aware of these. It could provide different cover the cost of
Printing fliers.

2448
05:15:24,760 --> 05:15:24,760
it could cover the cost of you know, providing drinks at the events when we're providing
Education.

2449
05:15:31,240 --> 05:15:31,240
there's a variety of things that could be done with it because the funding does not have
To be restricted specifically to a certain type of thing.

2450
05:15:38,720 --> 05:15:38,720
just generally it's revenue that is earned by generating the the surveys.

2451
05:15:44,800 --> 05:15:44,800
so we can use this money for any purpose. We could use it for filling potholes.

2452
05:15:50,360 --> 05:15:50,360
I think we theoretically could. I don't know that that's councilwoman mendelsohn,
But.

2453
05:16:00,520 --> 05:16:00,520
thank you mayor. I need to ask you something because you just reported to council member
Ridley that it's

2454
05:16:10,520 --> 05:16:10,520
aggregated data, but specifically in the materials,
It says it's resident level data.

2455
05:16:16,280 --> 05:16:19,160
yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So it is it is resident level. It's not identified. I think maybe that's when I said aggregated.

2456
05:16:24,480 --> 05:16:24,480
I think I was just thinking that generally the way that we share information is summarized
Because it's kind of easier to summarize is different than resident level,

2457
05:16:34,600 --> 05:16:34,600
right? Resident level, you're going to get a spreadsheet. So if you're trying to say it's
Anonymous,

2458
05:16:39,840 --> 05:16:39,840
right, I'm going to assign you number one and mean number two. And here's the spreadsheet.

2459
05:16:44,520 --> 05:16:44,520
but that's not aggregated. Correct. And that is then I,
I misspoke.

2460
05:16:50,160 --> 05:16:50,160
so it is resident level. It is not identified level.

2461
05:16:58,120 --> 05:16:58,120
okay. So wouldn't you just be able to obtain this information from the census from the
American community survey?

2462
05:17:07,400 --> 05:17:07,400
no, not necessarily. So even without the individualized identifying data for a client,
This would allow us to

2463
05:17:17,160 --> 05:17:17,160
understand, for instance, how there's a relationship between the length of time that
Somebody might have hold a job and or the extent to which they've been

2464
05:17:26,920 --> 05:17:26,920
impacted by layoffs to the overall amount or pay that they received in the past term.

2465
05:17:33,630 --> 05:17:33,630
we received those in. That's where the resident level factor comes in.

2466
05:17:38,510 --> 05:17:38,510
it's multiple factors for the same household or individual.

2467
05:17:44,030 --> 05:17:44,030
okay. I think this is way overstepping what government should be involved with.

2468
05:17:49,510 --> 05:17:49,510
and it's like when we try to do small business development and the people who are teaching
The classes have only ever worked for the government.

2469
05:17:58,230 --> 05:18:02,150
it's it's not the right audience and it's not the right leaders. And if people need that kind of coaching, which many do,
And I'm supportive of financial literacy and education,

2470
05:18:10,510 --> 05:18:10,510
we are not the right ones to be collecting anybody's data.

2471
05:18:14,710 --> 05:18:14,710
and I find it, frankly, offensive that we would even do so.

2472
05:18:19,910 --> 05:18:19,910
so if we want to host a program because we know there's a need,
We fund that program, let them collect data from their own willing participants.

2473
05:18:28,550 --> 05:18:28,550
but this is just so out of the range of something that government ought to be doing.

2474
05:18:35,470 --> 05:18:39,470
I do not want to accept this grant. I don't want to be involved in this business. And as we have started talking about budget,
We're now asking a department to be distracted by working on a $20,000 grant that you get

2475
05:18:49,390 --> 05:18:49,390
paid who knows what for 125 participants like.

2476
05:18:53,470 --> 05:18:56,350
focus, people. We need to take care of our roads. We need to do public safety. We have very specific things that we ought to be working on,
But this is not any of them.

2477
05:19:05,550 --> 05:19:05,550
thank you. Any other speakers? All right. Cnn,
I just really briefly I'm supportive of this item

2478
05:19:15,950 --> 05:19:15,950
for various reasons. In addition to what councilwoman willis mentioned,
This is a grant I'm supportive of financial empowerment efforts,

2479
05:19:25,230 --> 05:19:25,230
and this is not anything new to the city. So I will be voting no on the motion to deny.

2480
05:19:32,260 --> 05:19:32,260
okay, so seeing no further speakers, all those in favor,
Say aye.

2481
05:19:38,420 --> 05:19:38,420
any opposed? Nay. Sounds like the nays. Got it.

2482
05:19:43,020 --> 05:19:46,900
sounds like the nays. Got it. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Second, I heard a motion and a second. Any speakers?

2483
05:19:51,180 --> 05:19:51,180
seeing none. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

2484
05:19:55,500 --> 05:19:59,180
nay. Motion prevails. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. We will move ahead to agenda item 60.

2485
05:20:09,140 --> 05:20:09,140
agenda item 60. Authorize a one five year concession contract in the estimated amount of
$210,000 for the period

2486
05:20:18,860 --> 05:20:18,860
june 24th, 2026 through june 23rd, 2031 with one three year renewal option in the
Estimated amount of

2487
05:20:27,660 --> 05:20:27,660
$138,000 for tennis center pro manager operational management at fretz tennis center for
The parks and recreation department,

2488
05:20:37,100 --> 05:20:37,100
and the total estimated amount of $348,000. Two five year concession contract in the
Estimated amount of

2489
05:20:46,060 --> 05:20:46,060
185,000 $85,000 for the period june 24th, 2026 through june 23rd,
2031,

2490
05:20:55,780 --> 05:20:55,780
with one three year renewal option in the estimated amount of $123,000.

2491
05:21:01,700 --> 05:21:01,700
tennis center pro manager operational management at samuel grande tennis center for the
Park and recreation department,

2492
05:21:08,540 --> 05:21:08,540
and the total estimated amount of $308,000. Three a five year concession contract in the
Estimated amount of

2493
05:21:16,700 --> 05:21:16,700
$150,000 for the period june 24th, 2026 through june 23rd,
2031, with one three year renewal

2494
05:21:26,610 --> 05:21:26,610
option in the estimated amount of $102,000. Tennis center pro manager operational
Management at l.b.

2495
05:21:34,410 --> 05:21:34,410
houston tennis center for the parks and recreation department in the total estimated
Amount of $252,000 and for five year

2496
05:21:44,210 --> 05:21:44,210
concession contract in the estimated amount of $70,000 for the period june 24th,
2026 through june 23rd,

2497
05:21:54,130 --> 05:21:54,130
2031, with one three year renewal option in the estimated amount of $54,000.

2498
05:22:01,850 --> 05:22:01,850
tennis center pro manager operational management at tennis center for the parks and
Recreation department in the total estimated amount of

2499
05:22:11,090 --> 05:22:11,090
$124,000. This item has 30 individuals who have signed up to speak on it.

2500
05:22:19,370 --> 05:22:22,330
each speaker will be given two minutes to speak. I will call speakers in two groups. When I call your name,
I do ask that you come forward and have a seat on the first two rows,

2501
05:22:29,570 --> 05:22:29,570
first three rows of this center section and virtual speakers.

2502
05:22:34,210 --> 05:22:34,210
I do ask that you have your video and audio ready.

2503
05:22:39,610 --> 05:22:39,610
ines beltran, michael. Alpers. Kimberly. Widget.

2504
05:22:46,090 --> 05:22:46,090
gabriel. Beltran. Emiliano. Carranza. Glen. Johnson.

2505
05:22:54,010 --> 05:22:54,010
bianca. Beltran. Lonnie. Smoots. John. Wilson.

2506
05:22:58,690 --> 05:22:58,690
the fourth. Lisette. Smoots, charmaine. Fletcher,
Christina.

2507
05:23:04,290 --> 05:23:04,290
flores, josette. Williams, julian. Williams,
Stephen.

2508
05:23:10,610 --> 05:23:10,610
marley, and stephanie aranda. Ines. Beltran. You may come forward.

2509
05:23:24,360 --> 05:23:28,240
good evening, mayor and members of the city council. My name is inez beltran and I am here to speak on what was agenda item number 60.

2510
05:23:34,200 --> 05:23:34,200
I am a junior player at keith's tennis center,
Which is currently managed by dallas tennis association.

2511
05:23:40,640 --> 05:23:40,640
I have been a player for tea at keith's for over ten years.

2512
05:23:45,080 --> 05:23:45,080
I want to tell you what keith's tennis center and the people there have meant to me.

2513
05:23:50,320 --> 05:23:50,320
the coaches and staff have positively impacted both my tennis journey and my personal
Life.

2514
05:23:57,080 --> 05:24:01,000
october 3rd, 2022 was a day I will never forget. My father was shot in the face while while stopping a robbery.

2515
05:24:05,480 --> 05:24:05,480
when this happened, I was at the center. During this scary time,
My family relied on the staff at keast.

2516
05:24:11,680 --> 05:24:11,680
my mom made a call to coach sarah and coach craig and with no questions asked,
They stayed with me until a family member could pick me up.

2517
05:24:20,000 --> 05:24:23,920
the coaches were there for me when I needed them the most. That experience showed me keith is more than just a tennis center.

2518
05:24:27,400 --> 05:24:27,400
it is a family. That is why I ask you to keep the tennis center in the hands of the
Community,

2519
05:24:32,680 --> 05:24:36,480
and not turn it over to a private company with several locations. Decisions like this affect real children and families.

2520
05:24:40,240 --> 05:24:40,240
I am one of those children and keith has made a difference in my life.

2521
05:24:45,760 --> 05:24:48,920
I am grateful to share that my dad recovered and from my family. This story had a good ending. Places like keith's help children and family get through
Some of the most difficult times of their life.

2522
05:24:58,320 --> 05:24:58,320
so city council members, when you are ready to make this important decision,
I ask you, don't just think about the numbers.

2523
05:25:05,440 --> 05:25:05,440
think about the families and kids like me who look forward to coming to keith's every day.

2524
05:25:10,720 --> 05:25:13,520
thank you for your time and listening to my story. Thank you. Thank you. Michael all for. Good evening.

2525
05:25:21,310 --> 05:25:24,910
my name is michael all for and I'm a resident of district three. I'm speaking here today along with others like inez,
To encourage you to vote no on the transfer of control of keith's tennis center.

2526
05:25:32,830 --> 05:25:32,830
under the leadership of the dta, keith tennis center has developed many special things in
Oak cliff,

2527
05:25:38,630 --> 05:25:38,630
but among them are a connected community and a transformative programing for youth,
Along with adults and seniors.

2528
05:25:47,390 --> 05:25:47,390
my son, like many others, fell in love with the sport of tennis.

2529
05:25:51,470 --> 05:25:51,470
excuse me. At least when he was little. He has experienced other programs throughout the
Dfw area,

2530
05:25:58,550 --> 05:25:58,550
but returns to keith because of how impactful the organization is.

2531
05:26:02,990 --> 05:26:02,990
an impact beyond other tennis programs. The engagement at keyes creates a true community
That cares about the formation of youth beyond just tennis

2532
05:26:12,870 --> 05:26:12,870
skills. The transformative programing at ciis includes community service,
Character development,

2533
05:26:20,710 --> 05:26:20,710
life skills and experiences outside of dfw that positively impact the lives of those
Involved.

2534
05:26:28,110 --> 05:26:28,110
we ask for dta to be allowed to maintain control of keys tennis center to continue to
Positively impact youth,

2535
05:26:34,670 --> 05:26:34,670
adults and seniors. Thank you for your time and your work for our city.

2536
05:26:39,790 --> 05:26:39,790
thank you. Kimberly. Widget. Kimberly widget is not present.

2537
05:26:50,630 --> 05:26:50,630
gabriel beltran thank you. Good evening. My name is gabriel beltran.

2538
05:26:58,590 --> 05:26:58,590
I live in oak cliff, district three, born and raised in oak cliff and still reside there.
My kids have been coming to keys tennis center since they were three and five years old.

2539
05:27:06,070 --> 05:27:06,070
they are now 13 and 18. Locally and nationally recognized tennis players.

2540
05:27:10,460 --> 05:27:10,460
I want to talk about a pattern. Oak cliff has been neglected by this city for decades,
And keith's tennis center has been no different.

2541
05:27:17,380 --> 05:27:19,620
the city was supposed to come and mow the grass there. They didn't. The parents did. The city was supposed to repair the facility.

2542
05:27:23,380 --> 05:27:23,380
they didn't. So the community showed up with their own hands and money and fix it
Themselves. Coach craig coal power washed that building himself,

2543
05:27:30,100 --> 05:27:30,100
replaced the rotting wood himself because the city couldn't be bothered.

2544
05:27:34,220 --> 05:27:34,220
and why dallas forgot about us. Dtea and dtaa nonprofit built something extraordinary.

2545
05:27:40,260 --> 05:27:40,260
free tennis, free equipment, tutoring on site kids required to turn in report cards and do
Community service hours along with parents.

2546
05:27:48,140 --> 05:27:51,140
25 years without the city, without your help. But now you're interested in keith's not to fix it,
Not to invest in it, but to hand it to a nonprofit corporation.

2547
05:27:57,540 --> 05:27:57,540
for mckinney, giving one private company a monopoly over every single public tennis center
In the city of dallas.

2548
05:28:04,300 --> 05:28:04,300
and when parents raise concerns, a park board representative told them,
If your prices go up,

2549
05:28:09,020 --> 05:28:09,020
it keeps tennis center and you can't take your kid there,
Then you're going to have to find something else to do. That's not governance,

2550
05:28:16,100 --> 05:28:16,100
that's abandonment. With a microphone, your own procurement staff confirmed on record that
Nothing in this contract protects these kids.

2551
05:28:22,900 --> 05:28:25,980
nothing. You've ignored oak cliff when it was struggling. So don't show up now and take what we've built without you.

2552
05:28:28,860 --> 05:28:32,220
please leave keys and remove them from item 60. Thank you. Thank you. Emiliano carranza. Good evening,
Mayor johnson and members of

2553
05:28:42,140 --> 05:28:45,980
city council. I would like to ask you all to think back when y'all were in middle school. Think about the people, activities, and opportunities that helped shape who you are today.

2554
05:28:50,660 --> 05:28:50,660
my name is emiliano carranza. I'm a dallas isd student and a rising eighth grader.

2555
05:28:55,260 --> 05:28:59,180
today you will make an important decision about the future of keys tennis center. I'm asking you to please keep the dallas tennis and education academy at keys.

2556
05:29:03,540 --> 05:29:03,540
I hope you will think about the kids and families who use keys tennis center every day
Before making your decision.

2557
05:29:09,450 --> 05:29:12,090
I am here because keith has helped shape who I am becoming. I'm also here because my little brother plays tennis at keith's just like me.

2558
05:29:15,530 --> 05:29:15,530
he looks up to me. I want to be a good example for him on and off the court.

2559
05:29:19,650 --> 05:29:19,650
before I joined the program, tennis was one of the many sports I've tried,
But because of the coaches at keith's,

2560
05:29:24,570 --> 05:29:24,570
it became my passion. Now I finished there. Now I practice there every day up to six days
A week.

2561
05:29:30,450 --> 05:29:30,450
having practiced every day motivates me to finish my homework and to on top of my
Schoolwork.

2562
05:29:35,770 --> 05:29:35,770
because of that, I was able to succeed academically during my seventh grade year while
Also growing as a tennis player.

2563
05:29:41,370 --> 05:29:45,090
keith's has become a place where I feel like I belong and a second home to me. My little brother, hundreds of other kids, adults and seniors who play tennis at keith's,
At keith's have made new friends,

2564
05:29:51,610 --> 05:29:51,610
met coaches that later became mentors who helped me become a better person and learned
Important life skills like discipline,

2565
05:29:57,650 --> 05:29:57,650
hard work, and never giving up. The program has also helped me gain confidence in myself
And believe that I can achieve goals that once seemed impossible.

2566
05:30:04,890 --> 05:30:04,890
I'm asking you to please keep the dallas tennis and education academy atkins tennis
Center.

2567
05:30:09,370 --> 05:30:09,370
thank you for your time and listening to my story. Thank you.

2568
05:30:13,770 --> 05:30:13,770
glen johnson. Glen johnson is not present. Bianca beltran.

2569
05:30:27,090 --> 05:30:29,610
good afternoon, mayor and city council members. My name is bianca beltran. I'm a resident of district three,
A mother of two children who have been playing at tennis center for over ten years and a

2570
05:30:37,770 --> 05:30:41,290
volunteer with tennis with dallas tennis and education academy. I'm actually trying to share my screen right now. Can you get it?

2571
05:30:47,330 --> 05:30:47,330
okay, I'll just keep going. Something incredible happened over this weekend at keith's
Tennis center.

2572
05:30:53,330 --> 05:30:53,330
more than 65 volunteers gathered together and contributed over 130 hours of community
Service through the realize the dream initiative to reach 100,000,000

2573
05:31:03,150 --> 05:31:03,150
hours of service by the 100th anniversary of doctor martin luther king,
Jr.

2574
05:31:08,490 --> 05:31:08,490
s birthday. Together we planted flowers, trimmed bushes,
Cleaned courts, picked up trash and beautified a place that means so much to so many

2575
05:31:16,610 --> 05:31:16,610
families. But what struck me the most wasn't what we accomplished that day.

2576
05:31:21,530 --> 05:31:21,530
it was who accomplished it. We children, parents,
Coaches, neighbors.

2577
05:31:27,530 --> 05:31:27,530
what I witnessed on saturday was not just a group of volunteers.

2578
05:31:31,610 --> 05:31:31,610
I witnessed a family. I saw children serving alongside their parents,
Coaches, coaches guiding the youth and former players returning to give back.

2579
05:31:41,050 --> 05:31:41,050
I also witnessed young people, girls on the move,
A young player who received a city of dallas love your block grant that grant provided the

2580
05:31:48,730 --> 05:31:52,490
flowers and materials used during saturday's beautification project. It's a powerful example of young people taking ownership of their community for decades.

2581
05:31:59,330 --> 05:32:02,800
keys tennis center has been more than just a tennis sinner. It's been a place where children are welcomed and encouraged,
Mentored and cared for.

2582
05:32:07,080 --> 05:32:07,080
it's become a second home for countless children.

2583
05:32:11,760 --> 05:32:11,760
there are countless stories of children who've learned confidence discipline at keith's
Tennis center.

2584
05:32:17,840 --> 05:32:17,840
as you consider, I ask you that you consider item 60 respectfully ask that you look beyond
The facility and see the people and see the family.

2585
05:32:26,200 --> 05:32:26,200
I also ask that you respectfully ask the council to remove keys from item agenda 60.

2586
05:32:31,320 --> 05:32:31,320
thank you. Lonnie. Lonnie. Spots not present.

2587
05:32:45,040 --> 05:32:45,040
john wilson, the fourth. Good evening, members of the city council.

2588
05:32:54,760 --> 05:32:58,360
my name is john wilson, a fourth. I'm a third generation dallasite. And from oak cliff, texas. I'm urging this council to either amend the resolution to
Separate keys tennis center or voted down entirely.

2589
05:33:06,680 --> 05:33:10,280
I begin playing at keys tennis center at the age of six. Since then, keys has been managed by a community based partner that has made affordable
Access to a country club sport.

2590
05:33:18,080 --> 05:33:18,080
eventually, I ended up playing division one college tennis and became an attorney.

2591
05:33:23,080 --> 05:33:23,080
this is not unique to me. Thousands of kids from this community have gone to college and
Earned scholarships because of what keys tennis center has provided throughout the years.

2592
05:33:33,760 --> 05:33:33,760
now let me tell you about impact activities,
The for profit organizations trying to take keys tennis center away.

2593
05:33:42,040 --> 05:33:42,040
they have no connection to oak cliff and no lived experiences or understanding of what
Affordable tennis means to communities like

2594
05:33:51,640 --> 05:33:51,640
ours. They have already taken over six other public dallas tennis facilities and at every
Single one.

2595
05:33:59,510 --> 05:33:59,510
prices have skyrocketed and the community members have been pushed out.

2596
05:34:04,390 --> 05:34:04,390
and if mayor johnson was here, he would know exactly how this would affect the members of
The south dallas community.

2597
05:34:11,390 --> 05:34:11,390
the director of impact activities came from one of the most priciest tennis academies in
The world.

2598
05:34:18,590 --> 05:34:18,590
he has no connection to the oak cliff community or no connection to what this will.

2599
05:34:22,830 --> 05:34:22,830
how this will impact the kids. This vote would hand a for profit company with zero ties to
Ties,

2600
05:34:30,790 --> 05:34:30,790
a complete monopoly over every public tennis facility in dallas,
Texas.

2601
05:34:35,190 --> 05:34:35,190
keys tennis center is not a country club. It is a community institution that has put
People before profits for generations.

2602
05:34:44,110 --> 05:34:47,230
the children of oak cliff are counting on you all. City council, do not let us down. Please vote no or amend the resolution to remove keys.

2603
05:34:53,750 --> 05:34:53,750
thank you, thank you, lizette smuts. For that?

2604
05:35:02,870 --> 05:35:02,870
yes, I'm the president of the oak cliff community.

2605
05:35:07,670 --> 05:35:07,670
can you hear me? Yes. You may continue. Sorry about that.

2606
05:35:13,270 --> 05:35:13,270
president of the oak cliff community, the military.

2607
05:35:19,710 --> 05:35:19,710
which is also a member of zba. The proposed serious concerns.

2608
05:35:32,390 --> 05:35:32,390
program to the participants. For.

2609
05:35:45,990 --> 05:35:45,990
nearly two years. The level.

2610
05:35:59,420 --> 05:35:59,420
for families to. Supervise the procurement of the.

2611
05:36:13,740 --> 05:36:13,740
I respect. People over.

2612
05:36:24,460 --> 05:36:24,460
I just. Thank you. Charmaine. Fletcher.

2613
05:36:37,460 --> 05:36:37,460
charmaine. Fletcher. Charmaine. Fletcher is not present.

2614
05:36:47,460 --> 05:36:47,460
christina. Flores. Hello? Yes, we can hear you.

2615
05:36:54,620 --> 05:36:57,860
how of your videos? Yes, we can see you now. Hello. Hi. My name is christina. I'm a dallas resident in district three.

2616
05:37:02,700 --> 05:37:02,700
keith is the. Keith's tennis center is the last public tennis center operated for the
Community.

2617
05:37:08,500 --> 05:37:08,500
the dallas tennis association has been there since the facility opened in the late 1950s.

2618
05:37:13,860 --> 05:37:13,860
over 1000 kids a year receive free lessons, free equipment,
Academic tutoring and mentorship.

2619
05:37:19,140 --> 05:37:19,140
and there is a 100% high school graduation rate,
And the program is almost entirely grant funded.

2620
05:37:25,260 --> 05:37:25,260
at the may 7th park board meeting, the city's own procurement staff confirmed on record
That there is nothing in these contracts that protect the programs mentioned above,

2621
05:37:34,180 --> 05:37:34,180
especially. Essentially, nothing is enforceable when affordability was raised as a concern
By many residents.

2622
05:37:42,100 --> 05:37:42,100
the district one parks board appointee responded,
And I quote, whether it is affordable or not,

2623
05:37:47,140 --> 05:37:47,140
parents are going to have to decide. The statement alone tells you everything about how
This community is being considered in this process.

2624
05:37:55,090 --> 05:37:55,090
according to the legislation. Details for agenda item 60 filed 261929,
A over half of the revenue from this tennis contract goes into the golf improvement

2625
05:38:05,010 --> 05:38:05,010
trust fund, not back into tennis and not back into this neighborhood.

2626
05:38:09,210 --> 05:38:09,210
over 2100 residents have signed this petition opposing this,
And we ask that you send this item out for a new rfp while allowing the dta to continue on

2627
05:38:18,810 --> 05:38:21,970
a one year extension. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Josette williams. Hello? Yes. Yes.

2628
05:38:29,610 --> 05:38:29,610
hi. My name is josette williams. I'm a resident of oak cliff in district four,
And I'm coming on here as an alumni

2629
05:38:39,130 --> 05:38:43,130
parent. My daughter was part of the program and is still part of the program. She came back from college where she goes to clark atlanta hbcu school to,
To volunteer with her back with

2630
05:38:52,890 --> 05:38:52,890
her home tennis team. She's, she was and still is in the program.

2631
05:38:57,530 --> 05:39:00,890
she's been in the program since she was seven years old. I am here just saying, my daughter did not get to the school of her dreams on her own.

2632
05:39:07,490 --> 05:39:07,490
she stood on the shoulders of these coaches,
Of these programs, of this community to get where she is.

2633
05:39:16,090 --> 05:39:16,090
and I'm asking you to separate a line item. Agenda number 60.

2634
05:39:24,890 --> 05:39:24,890
thank you. Thank you. Julian williams. I'm here.

2635
05:39:34,890 --> 05:39:38,450
good afternoon, mayor johnson and senior council member. I am julian williams, a resident of oak cliff,
Texas in district four.

2636
05:39:43,050 --> 05:39:43,050
I encourage you to vote no to the transfer. I have been with dta the past.

2637
05:39:51,400 --> 05:39:54,320
dta is more than just a program, a tennis program. It has become a family to me and a second home.

2638
05:39:57,600 --> 05:39:57,600
not only have they taught me the importance of tennis,
But also the importance of community service,

2639
05:40:03,720 --> 05:40:03,720
leadership, giving back and life skills. I have also gotten plenty of many lifetime
Friends,

2640
05:40:09,520 --> 05:40:09,520
mentors, and coaches and associates. Dta dtea atkins tennis center has helped me
Throughout my whole college process and

2641
05:40:19,320 --> 05:40:22,880
helped me receive plenty of scholarships to go to college. Now, where I play tennis at clark atlanta university in atlanta,
Georgia because of dta he's tennis center.

2642
05:40:30,960 --> 05:40:30,960
now, every summer I come back to work and volunteer in the same program at tennis center.

2643
05:40:35,360 --> 05:40:35,360
that has given me so much, and I want others to have the exact same opportunities as I
Did.

2644
05:40:40,480 --> 05:40:43,880
so I encourage you to vote no to the transfer of serve case tennis center. Thank you. Thank you, stephen marley. Stephen marley,

2645
05:40:54,040 --> 05:40:54,040
it's not present. Stephanie aranda. Hi. My name is stephanie aranda,
A district

2646
05:41:04,040 --> 05:41:04,040
four resident. I am here to respectfully request to remove the tennis center from agenda
Item number 60.

2647
05:41:09,840 --> 05:41:09,840
I also have a video I want to share.

2648
05:41:20,320 --> 05:41:23,800
dallas tennis and education academy, which is an ngo now. Ngo stands for national junior tennis and learning,
Which is a program through the usta foundation that's created to support local

2649
05:41:29,960 --> 05:41:29,960
organizations that provide tennis development,
Wellness, and educational enrichment to underserved youth.

2650
05:41:36,360 --> 05:41:36,360
we do this in the hopes of teaching the kids the importance of character,
Getting an education,

2651
05:41:41,590 --> 05:41:41,590
and becoming productive members of society. Hi,
My name is aiden briggs.

2652
05:41:46,430 --> 05:41:46,430
he's means family to me means community. Miss josie salas and my name is william keaton.

2653
05:41:54,470 --> 05:41:54,470
and keith means trustworthiness. Hi, my name is elizabeth,
And keith means to me friendship.

2654
05:42:01,110 --> 05:42:01,110
my name is molly and keith reminds me of friendship.

2655
05:42:05,950 --> 05:42:09,470
means connection to me. My name is athena and keith means to me. Friendship. Hi, my name is josue, and keith means opportunity for me.

2656
05:42:17,910 --> 05:42:17,910
keith. Keith. And thank you. Especially. And

2657
05:42:27,670 --> 05:42:27,670
keith means fun for me and me. My name is evan,
And keith means community.

2658
05:42:35,950 --> 05:42:35,950
and keith. My name is eliana carranza and his means mentorship.

2659
05:42:42,270 --> 05:42:42,270
hi, my name is chris beltran, and to me, keith's means home price.

2660
05:42:46,430 --> 05:42:46,430
and keith to me means family. And keith means making friends.

2661
05:42:51,550 --> 05:42:54,750
hi, my name is julian and keith means family. Hi, my name is zoe and keith's means family. It's not really gonna kiss me.

2662
05:43:00,630 --> 05:43:00,630
I'm gonna spit it up. That's your time. We are.

2663
05:43:07,990 --> 05:43:07,990
peace. Thank you. I'll now call the next group of speakers.

2664
05:43:14,870 --> 05:43:14,870
when I call your name, please come forward and have a seat on the first three rows of this
Center section and virtual speakers.

2665
05:43:20,870 --> 05:43:20,870
please have your video and audio ready. Stephanie hurd.

2666
05:43:26,190 --> 05:43:26,190
liliana. Hurd. Arshia. Maida. Axel. Stark. Alex scott is canceled.

2667
05:43:36,630 --> 05:43:36,630
heather. Dick. Vance, dick kelly. Keaton. Scott whittaker has canceled.

2668
05:43:44,060 --> 05:43:44,060
adam dick, kenny lawson, sean teeter, aiden briggs and jayden kirkwood.

2669
05:43:52,340 --> 05:43:52,340
stephanie hurd. Good evening. My name

2670
05:44:02,300 --> 05:44:02,300
is stephanie hurd. I'm a district one resident,
And I'm here as a mother in support of removing keith's tennis center from item

2671
05:44:12,060 --> 05:44:15,820
60 and sending it back for separate consideration. My children have participated in tea for about a year and a half,
But in that short time it has become a meaningful part of our lives.

2672
05:44:26,460 --> 05:44:26,460
keith's is not simply where they learn tennis,
It's where they are mentored.

2673
05:44:32,980 --> 05:44:32,980
they're encouraged, challenged and welcomed. One of the first things that impressed me was
How many young coaches had grown

2674
05:44:42,980 --> 05:44:42,980
up in this program. Many as early as five years old,
And are now college students who return to coach and mentor younger children.

2675
05:44:52,220 --> 05:44:52,220
my children see those young adults and they see possibility.

2676
05:44:57,340 --> 05:44:57,340
my daughter, liliana is only 13 and this program has helped inspire her future goals.

2677
05:45:03,860 --> 05:45:03,860
college dreams and love of tennis. My son also benefits deeply.

2678
05:45:09,300 --> 05:45:09,300
he navigates adhd and dyslexia for his. For him,
Dta provides structure, movement, mentorship,

2679
05:45:18,620 --> 05:45:18,620
consistency, confidence, and belonging. This program has made strong mentorship,

2680
05:45:28,500 --> 05:45:28,500
tennis, education and community possible for my children in a way I could not replace.

2681
05:45:35,140 --> 05:45:35,140
I respectfully ask council to support sending he's back for separate review so the city
Can fully consider the youth programing,

2682
05:45:42,820 --> 05:45:42,820
affordability, mentorship and community impact families rely on.

2683
05:45:48,660 --> 05:45:48,660
thank you. Thank you. Liliana heard. Hello. Good evening.

2684
05:45:56,100 --> 05:45:56,100
my name is liliana heard. I am 13 years old and will be entering eighth grade this fall at
George benjamin international academy.

2685
05:46:05,020 --> 05:46:05,020
I have been attending dt at keith's tennis center for the past year and a half.

2686
05:46:09,500 --> 05:46:09,500
during that time, I spent four months in the junior development program and one year in
The junior competitive program.

2687
05:46:15,460 --> 05:46:15,460
I have lived in dallas my entire life, and I've never experienced a community quite like
The one at keith's tennis center.

2688
05:46:21,420 --> 05:46:25,420
what makes it so special is the sense of belonging it creates. Whether you're new to the program or have been there for years.

2689
05:46:28,380 --> 05:46:28,380
everyone is welcomed and encouraged and supported the friendships and connections built
There extend far beyond the tennis court.

2690
05:46:35,810 --> 05:46:35,810
when I started at dc, I was going through a difficult time with both school and at home.

2691
05:46:42,010 --> 05:46:42,010
I was bullied because of the way I looked, the way I dressed,
My hair and my race.

2692
05:46:46,610 --> 05:46:49,690
I often felt isolated and struggled with my confidence. I needed a safe place where I could feel accepted,
Supported and valued, and he's became that place for me.

2693
05:46:55,850 --> 05:46:59,690
one of my coaches, sara, comforted me when I needed it most. She listened to me, supported me, and reminded me that I mattered.

2694
05:47:03,330 --> 05:47:03,330
there were times when I felt overwhelmed and she was there for me,
Not just as coach, but as someone who genuinely cared.

2695
05:47:09,330 --> 05:47:09,330
her kindness, compassion, and encouragement made a lasting impact on my life and I will
Always be grateful for it.

2696
05:47:16,650 --> 05:47:16,650
through dtr, I have not. I've grown not only as a tennis player but also as a person.

2697
05:47:22,410 --> 05:47:22,410
I have gained confidence, resilience, integrity,
Independence and the courage to believe in myself.

2698
05:47:28,210 --> 05:47:28,210
dtr is more than a tennis program. It is a community that changes lives,
And I am grateful for everything it has given me.

2699
05:47:35,570 --> 05:47:35,570
I hope other young people will continue to have the opportunity to experience the same
Support,

2700
05:47:40,290 --> 05:47:40,290
encouragement and sense of belonging that I found here.

2701
05:47:44,370 --> 05:47:44,370
thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you arshia.

2702
05:47:52,850 --> 05:47:55,890
good evening, council members. My name is arshia. I am the national manager at impact activities,
The current operator out of frets lp houston and samuel grande.

2703
05:48:02,770 --> 05:48:06,690
three out of the four public dallas facilities. We have been operating out of the dallas facility since 2018.

2704
05:48:10,010 --> 05:48:10,010
I have been personally managing frets tennis center since 2018 and overseeing houston and
Samuel grande.

2705
05:48:16,570 --> 05:48:16,570
I just wanted to take this opportunity to clarify a few things,
Add more information, and address some of the concerns that have been brought up.

2706
05:48:23,450 --> 05:48:23,450
but before I do that, I just wanted to congratulate the current team at keys,
The dta well done.

2707
05:48:29,120 --> 05:48:29,120
the overwhelming support that you guys have seen today just highlights the incredible work
That they do at keast.

2708
05:48:34,360 --> 05:48:34,360
we have had the pleasure of working with dta over the last eight years since we've been
Working at the city of dallas,

2709
05:48:40,480 --> 05:48:40,480
and it's been an incredible journey, and we've tried to grow tennis in every way possible.

2710
05:48:46,720 --> 05:48:46,720
but now I wanted to address some of the concerns that have been brought up. One regarding
The pricing.

2711
05:48:51,480 --> 05:48:51,480
as you guys know, at public tennis facilities,
Prices are regulated.

2712
05:48:56,600 --> 05:48:56,600
they're monitored and everything is based out of based on the city of dallas fee
Ordinance.

2713
05:49:02,800 --> 05:49:02,800
we've always followed that. I've been again managing facilities for dallas for eight
Years.

2714
05:49:07,400 --> 05:49:07,400
every month, every quarter, we are reporting our prices to the city,
To the parks board, and everything is always under review and audited.

2715
05:49:14,320 --> 05:49:16,520
we do not come in and we do not set the prices. Every facility is a little bit different. It depends on the amenities we have at the
Facilities,

2716
05:49:20,760 --> 05:49:20,760
the number of courts that we have and the demographic of the population,
I guess, around the community outside of that.

2717
05:49:28,000 --> 05:49:31,840
another concern that's been brought up a lot has been mandatory drills. We only mandate drills at some facilities based on demand.

2718
05:49:36,280 --> 05:49:36,280
and it's really in regards to the outside leagues,
I can assure members of the community and the patrons that we will not be mandating any

2719
05:49:43,320 --> 05:49:46,680
sort of lessons or drills for any of the teams at keystone. Lastly, I wanted to emphasize that we will continue to work with dta and other nonprofit
Organizations such as dallas sport youths,

2720
05:49:53,720 --> 05:49:56,120
to continue to grow the sport of tennis in dallas. Thank you. Thank you. Axel stark. He's going to be tough to

2721
05:50:05,720 --> 05:50:05,720
follow. Good evening, city council members. My name is axel stark,
And I'm the father of a five year old boy who proudly calls oak cliff

2722
05:50:15,560 --> 05:50:15,560
home. I'm here today to share what? Keith's tennis center in the dallas tennis and
Education academy have meant to my son,

2723
05:50:24,510 --> 05:50:27,590
my family, and our community. My son is a wonderful kid. He's bright, curious, funny, and a little quirky.

2724
05:50:30,350 --> 05:50:33,990
like many young children, he doesn't always learn at the same pace as everyone else. He asks lots of questions. He sometimes needs extra patience.

2725
05:50:38,070 --> 05:50:38,070
he sometimes needs extra encouragement. What has amazed me about the coaches and staff at
Kiss is they always have met him exactly where he is.

2726
05:50:46,710 --> 05:50:49,870
they have never rushed him. They've never made him feel different. They have been patient, kind, gentle, encouraging.

2727
05:50:53,030 --> 05:50:53,030
and he learns not only how to play tennis, but how to be a part of a team in a community.

2728
05:50:58,630 --> 05:51:02,230
my son talks about keys. He doesn't just talk about tennis. He talks about his friends. He talks about his coaches.

2729
05:51:04,870 --> 05:51:06,950
he talks about the older players he looks up to. He talks about the heritage celebrations, the bouncy houses,
The laughter and the memories.

2730
05:51:12,110 --> 05:51:12,110
kiss has given him something. Every parent hopes their child will find a place where he
Belongs.

2731
05:51:18,950 --> 05:51:22,190
the community that exists there today didn't just happen by accident. It was built over many years by dedicated coaches,
Family volunteers, players, community leaders who invested their time,

2732
05:51:29,430 --> 05:51:29,430
energy, love and to creating something truly special.

2733
05:51:34,110 --> 05:51:34,110
today, I respectfully ask the council to allow the dallas tennis and education academy to
Continue operating keith's tennis center until a new bid process is completed.

2734
05:51:44,190 --> 05:51:44,190
it isn't simply about a facility. It's about our children.

2735
05:51:48,230 --> 05:51:48,230
it's about families. It's about community. It's about preserving a place that has already
Changed the lives of so many young people,

2736
05:51:55,990 --> 05:51:55,990
including my son. Thank you for your time, your service,
And your consideration.

2737
05:52:00,830 --> 05:52:00,830
thank you. Alex scott is canceled. Heather. Dick.

2738
05:52:09,710 --> 05:52:09,710
good evening everyone. I'm here to beseech you to keep the microphone.

2739
05:52:14,270 --> 05:52:14,270
can you speak? Good evening everyone. I'm here to beseech you to keep keith's tennis
Center in the capable hands of dta.

2740
05:52:23,140 --> 05:52:23,140
I am the mother of a. This young man here. He started in dta when he was five years old.

2741
05:52:29,900 --> 05:52:29,900
he's now about to turn 18. Our whole family has benefited from this amazing program.

2742
05:52:35,540 --> 05:52:35,540
it is a loving community asset that enhances the lives of everyone it touches.

2743
05:52:41,180 --> 05:52:44,260
the opportunities are not just on the tennis courts. These kids are given opportunities to give back to the community,
To volunteer and to learn important leadership and responsibility values.

2744
05:52:53,140 --> 05:52:53,140
another incredible resource dta provides to its students is access to an award winning sat
Prep program.

2745
05:53:03,620 --> 05:53:03,620
not only that, but then they have coaches who will offer free tutoring sessions on top of
That.

2746
05:53:10,300 --> 05:53:10,300
now, if that weren't enough we also have local hero dirk nowitzki donating time and
Resources.

2747
05:53:16,940 --> 05:53:16,940
every year the kids have an opportunity to work at a food bank at thanksgiving,
And they get to volunteer alongside dirk nowitzki.

2748
05:53:24,460 --> 05:53:24,460
it's just an amazing experience, just one of the amazing experiences these kids get to
Have as being members of ht.

2749
05:53:31,660 --> 05:53:35,420
so please don't take ht away from center. Center. Thank you. Thank you. Vance. Dick. Hello. My name is vance dick,
And I've been a part of

2750
05:53:45,380 --> 05:53:49,300
east tennis center and ht for the past 13 years. I was originally going to come up here and tell my story,
But instead I wanted to highlight the stories of everyone else.

2751
05:53:56,540 --> 05:53:56,540
you've seen middle schoolers come up here and speak better and more eloquently than most
Adults can.

2752
05:54:03,260 --> 05:54:03,260
that is not normal. Keith's tennis center and dta has created that in the community for
Us.

2753
05:54:10,700 --> 05:54:10,700
that is something special that I do not want to lose,
And I don't want the future generations to lose.

2754
05:54:15,930 --> 05:54:15,930
please consider keith's tennis centers separately from agenda 60 or vote no to the entire
Thing.

2755
05:54:22,250 --> 05:54:22,250
thank you very much. Thank you. Kelly. Keeton.

2756
05:54:28,490 --> 05:54:28,490
yeah. Can you hear me? Yes. You may continue.

2757
05:54:32,730 --> 05:54:32,730
did the city council get my my graphs? I sent three graphs to the to their if it was sent
Through email,

2758
05:54:42,050 --> 05:54:42,050
it was distributed. Okay. All right. All right.

2759
05:54:47,090 --> 05:54:47,090
a business needs to know its clients. A business needs to know the culture and community
In order to succeed.

2760
05:54:52,530 --> 05:54:52,530
I'm not sure the new guys know this. Peace tennis center has five unique subcultures not
Present in most

2761
05:55:02,410 --> 05:55:02,410
tennis centers. African american, hispanic, low income seniors,
And gay and lesbian.

2762
05:55:10,250 --> 05:55:10,250
we are more like samuel grant than france or elbe,
Houston or any of the other facilities

2763
05:55:19,890 --> 05:55:19,890
that these outsiders have control of right now.

2764
05:55:27,770 --> 05:55:31,610
I wanted to say that I've, I've never done this before. I never spoke at a city council meeting. I, I am a us army disabled veteran and I have
Three kids.

2765
05:55:39,050 --> 05:55:39,050
two are in this program at ciis tennis center,
Eight and 11 years old.

2766
05:55:44,490 --> 05:55:44,490
I'm asking the city council to hold off on voting on item 60 today.

2767
05:55:49,010 --> 05:55:49,010
just take it off the agenda. So many things have been going on in dallas the last couple
Of months,

2768
05:55:55,330 --> 05:55:57,770
and a lot of big decisions have been made by you all. Guys, I salute you for keeping the mavericks in dallas.

2769
05:56:02,890 --> 05:56:02,890
so many tough decisions to to not just today,
But the last couple of weeks.

2770
05:56:07,850 --> 05:56:07,850
but this one is not tough. Keith. Center center in oak cliff doesn't need an outside
Corporation or entity to come in and be a savior.

2771
05:56:17,120 --> 05:56:17,120
take the advice of someone who knows kids. That's the cookie monster.

2772
05:56:22,920 --> 05:56:22,920
always stop and think it through. Please. Dallas.

2773
05:56:27,880 --> 05:56:30,960
city council, stop! That's your time. Think it through. Thank you. Scott whitaker is canceled. Adam. Dick.

2774
05:56:41,600 --> 05:56:41,600
so the the one thing mentioned in agenda item 60 regarding keys tennis center is a dollar
Amount.

2775
05:56:47,600 --> 05:56:47,600
it's about $15,000 a year. But I think that amount is a pittance compared to all the
Benefits to the

2776
05:56:57,280 --> 05:56:57,280
community and to dallas that are provided by the dallas tennis association operating at
Tennis center.

2777
05:57:06,080 --> 05:57:06,080
you've heard a lot about the youth programs that are,
That are free and low cost and can create nationally competitive players and also players

2778
05:57:14,840 --> 05:57:14,840
that are well rounded in education. But also at keith's tennis center,
There are regular community events that are that are widely attended with things beyond

2779
05:57:24,000 --> 05:57:24,000
tennis involved in them as well. There's leagues that are welcome that play regularly at
Keith's tennis center.

2780
05:57:32,480 --> 05:57:32,480
there are community groups that play there because they find that it's the most welcoming
Place as well.

2781
05:57:38,040 --> 05:57:38,040
it's a, it's a great, it's a great place for the entire community.

2782
05:57:42,200 --> 05:57:42,200
and and because of the program for the youth,
The participants in it, the parents and the children,

2783
05:57:49,440 --> 05:57:49,440
they volunteer and they volunteer at these events that are outreach to the community and
That make people value that,

2784
05:57:57,400 --> 05:57:57,400
that part of oak cliff and dallas itself. And as just one example of,
Of how, of how, how that is valued is a few years

2785
05:58:06,920 --> 05:58:06,920
ago I had, we had to move and we had lived about six minutes from keith's tennis center.

2786
05:58:13,590 --> 05:58:13,590
and because of dr. A and what it does at at least the one ironclad rule of where we moved
Was that we would not move more than a 20

2787
05:58:23,510 --> 05:58:27,230
minute drive from the tennis center. And there are other tennis centers. There are places all over the world where you can play tennis,
But this place is unique.

2788
05:58:31,790 --> 05:58:31,790
it was the place to be. And it is. It is hopping with activity to parking lots,
So often full,

2789
05:58:38,070 --> 05:58:40,870
that you have to wait for somebody to leave to get a space. They're doing a great job there. Thank you, kenny lawson.

2790
05:58:48,710 --> 05:58:51,470
kenny lawson is not virtual. Not in the audience. Not present. Shaun teeter. Shaun teeter is not present.

2791
05:58:58,470 --> 05:58:58,470
aiden briggs. Good evening, mayor and

2792
05:59:08,310 --> 05:59:08,310
city council members. My name is aiden briggs and I'm here today because keith tennis
Center changed my life back in 2020 when covid shut my hometown,

2793
05:59:15,990 --> 05:59:19,630
my hometown tennis program down, I lost a place where I trained and competed at. I started taking private lessons, but they quickly became too expensive and not
Sustainable for my family.

2794
05:59:24,550 --> 05:59:24,550
that's when my private coach at the time told us about dbt at keith's tennis center.

2795
05:59:28,870 --> 05:59:28,870
I still remember the day I walked through the gates for the very first time. I was nervous
And I didn't know anyone. Before coach could even introduce me, another player came up and

2796
05:59:36,110 --> 05:59:36,110
asked me to warm up with him. Within minutes I felt like I belonged and that feeling has
Never left me.

2797
05:59:41,310 --> 05:59:41,310
I currently reside in mesquite, texas, where I graduated from poteet high school in 2023,
And my parents and grandparents drove me to keys four nights a week every week because

2798
05:59:50,030 --> 05:59:53,470
they knew how much it meant to me. Keith became my second home. The coaches didn't just teach me tennis. They taught me discipline,
Character and how to overcome adversity.

2799
05:59:58,630 --> 05:59:58,630
because of keith's I've competed, nationally trained and studied in rome,
Italy.

2800
06:00:03,030 --> 06:00:05,550
completed two years of college tennis at collin college. Graduated with my associates degree from collin college,
And I've earned a $40,000 scholarship to continue my tennis career at austin college.

2801
06:00:13,230 --> 06:00:13,230
and keith isn't just important to me. It continues to provide opportunities for thousands
Of kids and families throughout our community.

2802
06:00:19,150 --> 06:00:19,150
none of that happens without keith's. Today,
I have the privilege of returning as a coach to help the next generation the same way my

2803
06:00:24,350 --> 06:00:24,350
coaches helped me. My grandfather, john monaco,
A former mayor of mesquite, always told me to use my voice for what I believe in.

2804
06:00:31,190 --> 06:00:34,070
he believed that when a community speaks up,
You listen. That is why I'm here today. Keith's is more than a tennis center.

2805
06:00:37,270 --> 06:00:40,550
it creates opportunities, builds character, and changes lives. We are living proof of that. Please vote in favor of not authorizing and removing agenda
Item 60.

2806
06:00:46,150 --> 06:00:46,150
thank you. Thank you, jaden kirkwood. Jaden kirkwood.

2807
06:00:53,710 --> 06:00:53,710
it's not present. Mr. Mayor, this concludes our speakers for this item.

2808
06:00:58,070 --> 06:01:01,870
thank you. Council member. Blackmon. I hear a motion to approve. Is there a second? I hear a second. Mr., may I have a motion?

2809
06:01:07,820 --> 06:01:07,820
no comments. Council member johnson board. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

2810
06:01:12,260 --> 06:01:12,260
I move to divide the question to consider. Separately,
The king's park tennis center concession agreement.

2811
06:01:18,900 --> 06:01:18,900
I hear a motion and a second. So we are moving on to the.

2812
06:01:26,300 --> 06:01:26,300
yeah, yeah. Okay, so we got a motion and a second discussion.

2813
06:01:31,740 --> 06:01:31,740
deputy mayor pro tem johnson, no discussion. The community said it all.

2814
06:01:35,820 --> 06:01:35,820
okay. Council member gracey. I'm sorry. Well,
So now we're going straight to the vote.

2815
06:01:43,540 --> 06:01:46,500
point of information. This vote is only to divide the question. We're not considering the merits of either item. Correct.

2816
06:01:49,060 --> 06:01:51,100
okay. So a yes vote would divide the question. Correct. Thank you. And there's technically no discussion. So we shouldn't even be. So
We're just going to go straight to the vote. All those in favor say aye.

2817
06:01:58,860 --> 06:01:58,860
aye. Any opposed. Motion carries. So now we're going to focus on since this motion passed
The discussion is

2818
06:02:08,820 --> 06:02:08,820
on numbers one through three, which are frets samuel grant and lee houston tennis centers.

2819
06:02:15,020 --> 06:02:15,020
I see deputy mayor pro tem johnson. Council member.

2820
06:02:19,860 --> 06:02:19,860
west. Not on this item. No. Thank you. Move to approve.

2821
06:02:27,540 --> 06:02:27,540
second. Well yeah. We we just yeah. So initially there was a motion to approve.

2822
06:02:36,220 --> 06:02:39,500
so we're there already. Now we're we divided it. So we're on one through three. Does anyone have any discussion on one through three fret.

2823
06:02:44,060 --> 06:02:44,060
samuel grant and lee houston tennis centers. I see a couple names.

2824
06:02:49,020 --> 06:02:49,020
I'm just making sure we we know what we're discussing. All right. Councilwoman cadena.

2825
06:02:53,300 --> 06:02:53,300
yes. I just want to support this item. The l.b.

2826
06:02:58,060 --> 06:02:58,060
houston tennis center is in district six and in impact activities,
Has operated there since 2019.

2827
06:03:05,010 --> 06:03:05,010
they have successfully managed the tennis center as experts in tennis facility management
And programing,

2828
06:03:10,530 --> 06:03:10,530
significantly increasing attendance and enhancing programing opportunities that have
Strengthened the center's overall success.

2829
06:03:18,130 --> 06:03:18,130
the annual city revenue has been about 22000 per year that it's brought to the city,
So I wholeheartedly support this for district six.

2830
06:03:27,410 --> 06:03:31,170
thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you. I just wanted to speak in support of freda's.

2831
06:03:34,130 --> 06:03:34,130
this is actually in district 11, but it's the closest thing to district 12.

2832
06:03:38,490 --> 06:03:38,490
and a lot of district 12 residents use the freda's tennis center and speak very,
Very highly of it.

2833
06:03:46,610 --> 06:03:49,890
my son has gone to camp there. He was varsity tennis. So they must do a good job. It also has pickleball,
But the programs that you're talking about with keith's.

2834
06:03:59,370 --> 06:03:59,370
I'll just tell you, if there was something about closing down freda's,
We'd have the same exact situation.

2835
06:04:05,490 --> 06:04:05,490
people would come down here and say how life changing it is,
How the staff has mentored the students and developed relationships.

2836
06:04:15,210 --> 06:04:15,210
everything you said, I'm just going to tell you could also apply for freda's.

2837
06:04:19,370 --> 06:04:19,370
so I'm very glad to have this vendor and continue the great work that's happening there.

2838
06:04:24,730 --> 06:04:24,730
council member. Gracey. Thank you. I just want to I want to start by just saying one,
How proud I am of you all showing up

2839
06:04:34,530 --> 06:04:37,930
and representing this isn't about ki stewart. Oh, it's not correct. Yeah, we're on one through three.

2840
06:04:41,770 --> 06:04:45,410
freda samuel garin and lv houston tennis center. Oh. Got it. All right. Councilmember roth thank you.

2841
06:04:52,010 --> 06:04:52,010
I wanted to just echo councilmember mendelson's.

2842
06:04:56,240 --> 06:04:56,240
thanks for the efforts that you make at frats,
Which is in my district.

2843
06:05:00,880 --> 06:05:00,880
and the good, the good feedback, the, the good value that you all are,
Are providing to our,

2844
06:05:07,240 --> 06:05:10,800
to our residents of our district and to the surrounding area. Thank you again. And I would ask that you all support this this motion please.

2845
06:05:16,000 --> 06:05:16,000
council member ridley, questions for the park department.

2846
06:05:25,920 --> 06:05:25,920
so, mr. O'connor, I understand that impact activities is the incumbent vendor for these
Three rec centers.

2847
06:05:35,560 --> 06:05:35,560
good evening. Yes, sir. That is correct. And what feedback have you gotten about their
Performance?

2848
06:05:43,840 --> 06:05:43,840
very positive. Successful vendor, very pleased with the results.

2849
06:05:48,760 --> 06:05:48,760
and what about the users of their services, the patrons of the tennis centers.

2850
06:05:54,480 --> 06:05:54,480
have they provided feedback about or evaluation of the vendor?

2851
06:06:00,800 --> 06:06:00,800
again, feedback is is always very positive. I'm not personally familiar with really any
Complaints with the service.

2852
06:06:07,120 --> 06:06:11,040
it's a it's a valued addition to our tennis centers. Okay. And can you outline the process by which you went through this procurement to
Identify impact

2853
06:06:20,440 --> 06:06:20,440
activities as the most advantageous proposer?

2854
06:06:24,600 --> 06:06:24,600
sure. I would ask miss juanita ortiz to, to go through that technical piece,
The procurement.

2855
06:06:35,440 --> 06:06:35,440
juanita ortiz, director, office of procurement services.

2856
06:06:41,200 --> 06:06:41,200
we issued an rfp for racket sports for the four locations.

2857
06:06:48,600 --> 06:06:48,600
and this vendor was identified by the evaluation committee as the most advantageous vendor
For all four locations.

2858
06:06:56,230 --> 06:06:56,230
so were there four other competing firms that also responded to the rfp for.

2859
06:07:04,150 --> 06:07:04,150
there were for me. I'll bring it up because there were different for each location.

2860
06:07:08,990 --> 06:07:08,990
so for fritz tennis park, we had two solicitation,
Two vendors proposed, and for l.b.

2861
06:07:16,590 --> 06:07:20,510
houston we had two. And samuel grand. We also had two. Three. We had three. Okay. And how were they scored in terms of relative

2862
06:07:29,750 --> 06:07:29,750
preference? So the evaluation committee looked at the cost or the let's stop right there.

2863
06:07:38,910 --> 06:07:38,910
who is on the committee? So the evaluation committee consisted of city staff from the
Budget management services office,

2864
06:07:47,350 --> 06:07:47,350
parks and recreation, the office of procurement services,
As well as emergency management and crisis response.

2865
06:07:54,390 --> 06:07:54,390
okay. Proceed. They evaluated all proposals for the capability,
Expertise and experience.

2866
06:08:01,710 --> 06:08:01,710
the overall approach the revenue to the city and what the capital maintenance plan would
Be.

2867
06:08:07,670 --> 06:08:07,670
and the vendor that was identified as impact activities was the highest ranked vendor.

2868
06:08:13,510 --> 06:08:13,510
okay. Can you disclose the number of points they received from the evaluation?

2869
06:08:22,630 --> 06:08:22,630
was there anyone close to their evaluation score.

2870
06:08:26,950 --> 06:08:26,950
so for yes we can. So for fretz tennis impact activities received a 75.6 out of

2871
06:08:36,950 --> 06:08:36,950
100 points. The next vendor was 20 points away from that.

2872
06:08:42,550 --> 06:08:42,550
for keys were not on that one yet for lg houston.

2873
06:08:47,380 --> 06:08:47,380
same about 75 and then 20 points less for the second offender.

2874
06:08:53,180 --> 06:08:53,180
same for samuel grant. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

2875
06:08:59,020 --> 06:08:59,020
seeing no further comments. All those in favor,
Say aye.

2876
06:09:04,500 --> 06:09:04,500
any opposed? Motion prevails. So just so it's clear,
Since this motion passed, whether it would have passed or not,

2877
06:09:13,420 --> 06:09:13,420
the remaining motion on the floor is to approve the keys park tennis center concession
Agreement.

2878
06:09:19,820 --> 06:09:19,820
so that's where we are. Anybody have any comments?

2879
06:09:25,380 --> 06:09:29,100
okay. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson, the mayor. I want to thank my community for coming out. The many the meetings that we had speaking
With you guys.

2880
06:09:34,940 --> 06:09:37,620
and I know we've been talking about this for an entire year. So thank you for coming out. I'm asking my colleagues to vote no on the approval
Concerning keith's park,

2881
06:09:44,420 --> 06:09:44,420
keith's tennis court. This has been a very emotional for our community.

2882
06:09:50,700 --> 06:09:50,700
I see so many kids. I told councilwoman blackmon they're going to make me get some tissue
Because it's,

2883
06:09:57,540 --> 06:10:00,060
it's important to hear our community and our,
Our children. So I'm asking my colleagues to vote no on the approval.

2884
06:10:02,540 --> 06:10:02,540
thank you, thank you.

2885
06:10:31,860 --> 06:10:34,860
deputy mayor pro tem, are you done? Okay. I'm sorry. Councilwoman. Gracey. All right, thank you. Now,
Like I was saying I'm very proud of of everything of this particular group.

2886
06:10:43,180 --> 06:10:43,180
I've had some time myself. Chair west. We've we've actually played in the doubles
Tournament out there and had some time.

2887
06:10:50,450 --> 06:10:50,450
and one of the things that, that I don't know that they,
They've captured it really, really well,

2888
06:10:55,010 --> 06:10:55,010
but I would encourage you all to come out there on a saturday and experience what they're
Talking about to see these students.

2889
06:11:01,570 --> 06:11:01,570
it's not just them out there practicing. It's almost it not almost.

2890
06:11:06,330 --> 06:11:06,330
it is. It's a community of student athletes that walk with each other,
That learn with each other,

2891
06:11:11,730 --> 06:11:15,170
that volunteer with each other and the parents and everyone. It is a community. They're in just about every saturday.

2892
06:11:19,170 --> 06:11:22,850
every single one of those courts are activated and there's parking. The last time I was there, I had to park across the street in order to do that.

2893
06:11:26,610 --> 06:11:26,610
so this is very much a a tennis community, and it's one that could easily be disrupted by
Good intentions.

2894
06:11:33,450 --> 06:11:33,450
no disrespect to the parks department. They've done a wonderful job in terms of managing
The parks and all of that.

2895
06:11:40,450 --> 06:11:40,450
but this is just one of those that I'm glad. Mayor pro tem pulled this out.

2896
06:11:44,970 --> 06:11:44,970
deputy mayor pro tem pulled this out for separation because of how it impacts the
Community.

2897
06:11:50,370 --> 06:11:50,370
and this is one of those that I would ask that we continue to support.

2898
06:11:54,930 --> 06:11:57,810
the deputy mayor pro tem on this item. So thank you so much. And thank you all for the work and all of the volunteers.

2899
06:12:00,410 --> 06:12:04,090
and to all of the students, keep doing what you're doing and come back and give back. Thank you. Council member. West. Thank you. I'll support my colleague on this motion.

2900
06:12:09,890 --> 06:12:09,890
thanks to the residents who came out today, especially the kids who set up here.

2901
06:12:14,290 --> 06:12:14,290
and I'm really happy. Thanks to the mayor for moving these guys up so we can get the kids
Out of here.

2902
06:12:19,330 --> 06:12:19,330
so as a tennis player, like, not a very good one,
But as a tennis player I it's such an important sport and it's a lifelong sport.

2903
06:12:27,770 --> 06:12:27,770
it builds self-confidence, physical fitness friendly competition.

2904
06:12:32,170 --> 06:12:32,170
you know, I play at the center occasionally and we played in the juneteenth tournament and
Really,

2905
06:12:38,570 --> 06:12:38,570
really love the really love the, the center. You know,
I think it gets, it gets a little dangerous.

2906
06:12:46,240 --> 06:12:46,240
like when we, we just, we start getting into the procurement business.

2907
06:12:50,480 --> 06:12:52,840
and it does give me a little concern doing that. But sometimes you have such overwhelming community input and feedback that I think it does
Take a,

2908
06:12:59,880 --> 06:12:59,880
you know, we do need to reconsider these things sometimes and,
And have the park board relook at this and procurement relook at this contract because

2909
06:13:08,080 --> 06:13:12,040
there has been such an outpouring of support for this vendor. So that's why I support it. Normally I don't like messing with procurement,
But this, this is just too,

2910
06:13:17,520 --> 06:13:17,520
too important to the community. I would just encourage the community as this goes back to
The park board.

2911
06:13:23,160 --> 06:13:23,160
your work is not over here. You've organized,
You've gotten together, you've got the shirts.

2912
06:13:27,720 --> 06:13:31,040
you know, make sure you let the park board know how important this is to you. And then when budget time comes for the city in the fall we're going to have some serious
Budget cuts.

2913
06:13:36,360 --> 06:13:40,160
we need you up here advocating for for the tennis center to get funding. So that's all I'll say today. Thank you. Council member ridley.

2914
06:13:43,840 --> 06:13:43,840
thank you, mr. Mayor. Could I have park staff come back and procurement.

2915
06:13:56,200 --> 06:13:56,200
so for either one of you is there any change in the scope of the contract services that
Impact

2916
06:14:06,320 --> 06:14:06,320
activities will be providing at the tennis center as opposed to what they're providing at
The other tennis centers?

2917
06:14:19,120 --> 06:14:19,120
no, sir. Is there any change in the scope of services that impact activities was asked to
Provide in the rfp

2918
06:14:28,480 --> 06:14:28,480
different from the current vendor at kaist? In other words,
Is is there a cutback in the scope of their services?

2919
06:14:37,560 --> 06:14:40,640
no. It was consistent amongst the four sites. All right. And could you provide the score that impact activities received compared to its
Competitors for keast.

2920
06:14:50,520 --> 06:14:50,520
so keast for key center impact activities received 72 points.

2921
06:14:56,920 --> 06:14:56,920
there were the next proposal received 63. 57 and then 45.

2922
06:15:05,000 --> 06:15:05,000
okay. Which of those scores is the current vendor?

2923
06:15:10,240 --> 06:15:10,240
the last score 47. 45. 45. Excuse me. So impact scored 72

2924
06:15:19,600 --> 06:15:19,600
points and the current vendor received 45. Right.

2925
06:15:24,520 --> 06:15:24,520
last of the five. Yes. Of the four of the four.

2926
06:15:30,200 --> 06:15:30,200
is there anything that you have heard from the speakers today that would change that you
Anticipate would change the

2927
06:15:39,550 --> 06:15:39,550
committee's scoring or evaluation of the various rfp responses.

2928
06:15:46,950 --> 06:15:46,950
at this stage, we can't make any changes to the recommendation from the committee.

2929
06:15:52,110 --> 06:15:52,110
if we do reject the bids for keys and solicit,
We could change the scope and the criteria of what we look at.

2930
06:16:00,430 --> 06:16:00,430
but the committee goes based on the proposal that's submitted by the vendors,
Not necessarily what they hear outside of the procurement

2931
06:16:09,830 --> 06:16:09,830
process. Okay. So if this item gets sent back to procurement for reevaluation,
What will your process be?

2932
06:16:19,790 --> 06:16:19,790
will you put it out for rfps? Again, a new rfp.

2933
06:16:23,870 --> 06:16:23,870
so the it would be up to the department if there's a different procurement method that
They want to use.

2934
06:16:28,950 --> 06:16:28,950
but if they submit a new rfp to our office, we would put it out to bid the same way that
We did this procurement.

2935
06:16:35,910 --> 06:16:35,910
okay. But you don't have the liberty to come out with a different recommendation or a
Different score.

2936
06:16:44,190 --> 06:16:48,110
unless there is a whole new rfp process commenced. Yes. Okay. So, mr. O'connor, how do you anticipate you would proceed if this item is
Rejected?

2937
06:16:59,110 --> 06:16:59,110
well, we would certainly intend to rebid it. We would work through our park board to
Solicit their input on

2938
06:17:09,670 --> 06:17:09,670
crafting the scope of the rfp, and then work with miss ortiz's office to put it back out.

2939
06:17:16,470 --> 06:17:16,470
okay. Since the scope of services that the prevailing or the highest scored bidder

2940
06:17:27,350 --> 06:17:27,350
impact activities is consistent with what the current vendor is providing.

2941
06:17:33,180 --> 06:17:33,180
how would you change the scope of the services for the rfp?

2942
06:17:37,740 --> 06:17:37,740
well I don't know the answer to that. At this exact moment,
We would have to work with the park board,

2943
06:17:42,740 --> 06:17:42,740
of course, but really what we were looking at in this rfp was an opportunity to generate
Additional revenues as well as reduce our

2944
06:17:51,940 --> 06:17:51,940
expenses. Because the the proposers were required to make capital improvements to the
Site.

2945
06:18:00,460 --> 06:18:04,300
things such as windscreens on the courts court repairs,
Etc.. So, so we would have to potentially consider other,
Other criteria beyond purely financial.

2946
06:18:13,700 --> 06:18:13,700
well what, what would those other criteria be if the scope of services was the same?

2947
06:18:20,460 --> 06:18:20,460
I don't have an answer for you off the top of my head,
But we would have to we would have to think of some softer,

2948
06:18:28,660 --> 06:18:28,660
criteria beyond purely financial. Well, in the absence of anything concrete,
I don't understand what the benefit would be of rejecting this

2949
06:18:38,180 --> 06:18:38,180
item and sending it back for rescoring in another rfp with likely the same results.

2950
06:18:45,220 --> 06:18:45,220
and I think there's value in consistency in vendor services with the other rec centers.

2951
06:18:56,020 --> 06:18:56,020
mr. O'connor, was there an effort in this item to have the same scope of services by the
Vendors at each of the different rec centers?

2952
06:19:05,260 --> 06:19:05,260
yes. Why is that? We like consistency throughout our system.

2953
06:19:14,140 --> 06:19:14,140
easier to administer. Of course. And again, one of the,
The big impetus of this entire effort was to again,

2954
06:19:22,020 --> 06:19:25,540
minimize our expenses and increase our revenue. Okay. Well, I recognize that the people who spoke today who utilized the services of the
Keys tennis center

2955
06:19:35,970 --> 06:19:35,970
have the best things to say about the vendor,
But I didn't hear one word of criticism about impact activities at

2956
06:19:45,970 --> 06:19:45,970
key east or any of the other rec centers. So I just don't understand why we would be
Considering rejecting this proposal.

2957
06:19:55,930 --> 06:19:55,930
council member. Moreno. Thank you mayor. I will be supporting the deputy mayor's motion.

2958
06:20:04,050 --> 06:20:04,050
I want to thank him for bringing out and listening to the community.

2959
06:20:08,650 --> 06:20:11,970
I and for taking the time to meet with them. Prior to today. You did the work before today's agenda. And so thank you for being ready and prepared and
To look forward to having an opportunity to continue the engagement with the community.

2960
06:20:20,930 --> 06:20:24,930
thank you. Thank you, mayor. Council member. Cadena. I just want to thank the children and all of the families that came to speak at council.

2961
06:20:30,850 --> 06:20:30,850
it's so important that you're involved in government and in you know,
In your community and you're the experts in your community.

2962
06:20:37,690 --> 06:20:37,690
and so thank you for taking the time to provide your input and,
And what you all need and what you want.

2963
06:20:43,010 --> 06:20:45,610
so that's all I wanted to say. Thank you. Councilwoman. Blackmon. Just a reminder, what is the motion on the floor?

2964
06:20:51,130 --> 06:20:51,130
the motion is to approve. Kiest park, right? Yeah.

2965
06:20:56,210 --> 06:20:58,490
okay. So it's the motion to approve. Correct. Thank you. And so just to be clear, if you want to support deputy mayor pro tem,
You would vote no.

2966
06:21:06,010 --> 06:21:06,010
council member blair. I actually know a family that's here.

2967
06:21:13,330 --> 06:21:13,330
they don't even know I know them, but I've heard about them for over a year.

2968
06:21:18,570 --> 06:21:18,570
I know their father, their grandfather. He actually works for the city of dallas.

2969
06:21:25,000 --> 06:21:25,000
he he loves his family. And he loves what keith park has meant to this.

2970
06:21:32,040 --> 06:21:32,040
his family and his grandchild and his, his son and his daughter in law.

2971
06:21:43,560 --> 06:21:43,560
to have them come up here and speak so eloquently,
To know them for over a year, through the love of their

2972
06:21:53,280 --> 06:21:53,280
father and their grandfather. I can't do anything against them.

2973
06:21:59,520 --> 06:21:59,520
one of the things we have don't cry, baby. One of the things that we have said all day
Long is community

2974
06:22:09,280 --> 06:22:09,280
engagement. Well, deputy mayor pro tem did the community engagement and I'm supporting his
Community

2975
06:22:18,360 --> 06:22:18,360
engagement. I'm supporting one of my my partners in the city of dallas as one of the city
Managers

2976
06:22:28,960 --> 06:22:28,960
employees. I'm supporting the bill tran family.

2977
06:22:33,000 --> 06:22:33,000
I'm supporting what they're asking me for. Your your grandfather already has pictures of
You up here supporting what you believe in and what you

2978
06:22:42,920 --> 06:22:46,480
love. And I'm going to support you, too. Thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you. Did the park board consider this vendor?

2979
06:22:53,200 --> 06:22:53,200
was this a discussion item? Yes, ma'am. And can you give us a sense of what that was?

2980
06:23:00,400 --> 06:23:00,400
did they vote? Yes, ma'am. Let's see. It was a little bit of a long story,
But it was deferred once,

2981
06:23:06,840 --> 06:23:06,840
but the contract, the question was divided. Similar motion that took place here today.

2982
06:23:12,640 --> 06:23:12,640
but the end result was it was a it was a vote that approved the the recommendation for all
Four sites.

2983
06:23:21,550 --> 06:23:21,550
so the board voted to approve the same vendor for all four.

2984
06:23:25,590 --> 06:23:29,350
yes, ma'am. That's correct. But they divided the question before they did that. Yes, ma'am. And they had the same similar conversation.

2985
06:23:31,910 --> 06:23:31,910
yes, ma'am. Exactly. Okay. And on the procurement side,
Can I ask you, I've actually never seen this where it

2986
06:23:41,470 --> 06:23:41,470
appears to be some sort of vendor selection by popularity.

2987
06:23:45,910 --> 06:23:45,910
is that legal? I guess I don't understand your question.

2988
06:23:53,190 --> 06:23:53,190
the vendor was selected impact activities was selected based on evaluation committee
Scoring.

2989
06:24:00,830 --> 06:24:00,830
you looked at technical criteria that was established in advance based on responses to a
Procurement.

2990
06:24:08,630 --> 06:24:08,630
is that right? Yes. We the evaluation committee rated all the vendors on the same
Information on the same criteria and recommended

2991
06:24:18,510 --> 06:24:18,510
impact activities for all four locations. And can you tell us the score of this vendor
Compared to the others?

2992
06:24:25,950 --> 06:24:25,950
yes. This the impact activities that was the vendor that ended up with being the most
Advantageous was

2993
06:24:35,950 --> 06:24:35,950
70. I just said it. 72.3. And then we had level up 63 toss and spin 57

2994
06:24:45,830 --> 06:24:45,830
and dallas tennis association 45. Okay. Well,
Those are some very different numbers.

2995
06:24:55,750 --> 06:24:55,750
is there a contract administration issue with having multiple vendors?

2996
06:25:00,270 --> 06:25:00,270
I mean, is it more efficient for you to have one or it doesn't really matter.

2997
06:25:05,630 --> 06:25:05,630
I mean, I think operationally maybe for the parks department,
But these were evaluated as four different locations for proposals and impact won all four

2998
06:25:15,180 --> 06:25:15,180
locations. And then can you share, ryan, is that an operational challenge or it's not a
Big deal or it's,

2999
06:25:24,780 --> 06:25:24,780
it's not a big deal. I mean, it, it's it, it'll be fine if it's two separate vendors.

3000
06:25:30,820 --> 06:25:30,820
and then are there any cost implications for either one?

3001
06:25:38,100 --> 06:25:38,100
cost implications as far as revenues to the city.

3002
06:25:42,420 --> 06:25:42,420
yeah. Well, the impact offered more revenue to the city than the other

3003
06:25:52,300 --> 06:25:52,300
proposers. Can you give a sense of how much I believe it was?

3004
06:25:57,060 --> 06:25:57,060
I believe impact offered 13,000 annually. In addition to that,
They were going to take on $20,000 a year of capital improvements to the

3005
06:26:06,700 --> 06:26:06,700
courts. And how about the nonprofit? Do you have that information?

3006
06:26:14,180 --> 06:26:14,180
I do not have it with me. But I don't, I know that they on revenue was 30 points and that
Was the

3007
06:26:24,020 --> 06:26:24,020
lowest from the evaluation committee. So I'm assuming it wasn't the similar to,
I believe the answer is they didn't offer any revenue or capital improvements.

3008
06:26:35,820 --> 06:26:35,820
so $33,000 a year impact difference. Yes, ma'am.

3009
06:26:41,980 --> 06:26:41,980
okay. Thank you for that information. Council member.

3010
06:26:46,180 --> 06:26:46,180
gracey. Just so I'm clear. So we're talking about these three sites impact.

3011
06:26:54,900 --> 06:26:54,900
were they the incumbent on the other two sites already?

3012
06:26:59,900 --> 06:27:02,580
yes, sir. The other three, they were the incumbent. Yes, sir. That's correct. Okay. And dta is the incumbent at keast.

3013
06:27:06,140 --> 06:27:06,140
okay. All right. And then so do we know what the revenue was at?

3014
06:27:11,170 --> 06:27:14,130
keith's. How did the keys tennis center perform? It. They. It's zero revenue. Revenue. Okay. All right.

3015
06:27:17,530 --> 06:27:17,530
and then so then impact venture. How did they perform at the other three locations in
Terms of revenue?

3016
06:27:22,770 --> 06:27:22,770
did they say they were going to get this. Did they meet their revenue goals and things
Like that? Yes,

3017
06:27:27,010 --> 06:27:27,010
sir. Okay. All right. All right. And if we go back through this,
I understood this.

3018
06:27:32,610 --> 06:27:32,610
we would have to go back through the procurement,
Put it back out for bid.

3019
06:27:37,290 --> 06:27:37,290
yes, sir. That's correct. Okay. All right. And they they offered to put capital
Improvements.

3020
06:27:46,890 --> 06:27:46,890
what capital improvements have they put into the other three centers? That's the other
Question. Well none currently,

3021
06:27:52,570 --> 06:27:52,570
but in the proposal they did include capital improvements,
Which includes things like windscreens on the fences and just generic court in the in the

3022
06:28:00,090 --> 06:28:00,090
other other in the previous contract. No other.

3023
06:28:04,770 --> 06:28:04,770
oh they have. Oh, okay. Melissa de la cruz has a clarification there.

3024
06:28:10,210 --> 06:28:10,210
okay. Hi. Melissa de la cruz, superintendent for golf and racket sports.

3025
06:28:14,250 --> 06:28:14,250
so impact activities has made capital improvements at all three locations.

3026
06:28:19,690 --> 06:28:19,690
over the life of their contract at fretz tennis center.

3027
06:28:24,170 --> 06:28:24,170
they made $81,000 worth of capital improvements at l.b.

3028
06:28:30,250 --> 06:28:30,250
houston. They made 56,000. And at samuel grande,
67,000.

3029
06:28:36,450 --> 06:28:39,930
de t.a. Has also made capital improvements at keast. And that is 55,000 going back to 2001. Yes. So this is starting at the start of their
Contracts,

3030
06:28:48,730 --> 06:28:52,730
which began in 2018 for all locations except for l.b. Houston and samuel grande, which started in 2019.

3031
06:28:55,450 --> 06:28:55,450
okay. And then have there been any bond programs that have gone through those other
Centers that have not gone through keys or gone to any.

3032
06:29:04,290 --> 06:29:04,290
I'm just I don't recall any bond program improvements at any of the tennis centers in
Recent memory.

3033
06:29:10,770 --> 06:29:10,770
okay. And the city has not any any under any of our other funds,
The parks department.

3034
06:29:14,970 --> 06:29:14,970
we haven't put any. Oh, no. We make we make continual capital improvements at the centers,

3035
06:29:19,410 --> 06:29:19,410
but not bond funded. Okay. All right. And then what what capital improvements have been
Made at those same.

3036
06:29:25,370 --> 06:29:29,330
it's the same thing. Court repairs, windscreens,
That sort of stuff. But is that what the city did or is that what the vendors.

3037
06:29:32,090 --> 06:29:32,090
that's what we do currently. But with the new contract that will be the responsibility of
The vendor.

3038
06:29:37,850 --> 06:29:37,850
I guess my question was what has the impact? What have what investments have they put in?

3039
06:29:44,250 --> 06:29:44,250
that's the 81, 56, 67, 55. That's right. And then what has the city put in?

3040
06:29:50,410 --> 06:29:50,410
yes. So the the contractor impact activities,
They have made various improvements through out each location,

3041
06:29:59,090 --> 06:29:59,090
either related to court resurfacing. Some things on the pro shop doing painting,
The patio area,

3042
06:30:07,560 --> 06:30:07,560
repairs to some parts of the building that our budget just didn't allow for.

3043
06:30:12,760 --> 06:30:12,760
and then on the city side, we also have made similar capital improvements.

3044
06:30:17,200 --> 06:30:21,160
the main thing is court resurfacing that we do at each location. That averages about 10,000 per court at each location.

3045
06:30:25,600 --> 06:30:29,400
we try to do it every few years at each location as well. So just the court resurfacing is kind of the primary.

3046
06:30:32,920 --> 06:30:35,080
that's the main thing that we spend money on. Yes. Thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

3047
06:30:39,040 --> 06:30:42,200
thank you, mr. Mayor. Again, I want to thank our community. I don't have a question for you guys. I just want to thank our community for coming out.

3048
06:30:46,240 --> 06:30:46,240
I believe that there's an opportunity to strengthen the partnership with the dta and the
City of dallas and our,

3049
06:30:53,320 --> 06:30:57,080
our strength and our partnership with our community. Concerning this process. I've heard you, I've heard you for a year and we've met.

3050
06:31:02,880 --> 06:31:02,880
meant I don't just come and not do the job. We've met,
Had community meetings.

3051
06:31:08,720 --> 06:31:08,720
I listened to you over and over because that's my job and I and I was appreciative of the
Transparency that you gave me.

3052
06:31:16,240 --> 06:31:16,240
I was also appreciative of seeing how much the gentleman the coach has invested,
Along with the parents,

3053
06:31:23,120 --> 06:31:23,120
along with the students, along with the community into keith's tennis center.

3054
06:31:29,880 --> 06:31:29,880
so I'm asking my colleagues to support and, and vote no on this.

3055
06:31:37,080 --> 06:31:40,200
thank you. Council member moreno. Thank you. Mayor. If I can get the park department back up, please.

3056
06:31:44,080 --> 06:31:44,080
while I agree on having consistency and having the same operators at our golf,
Golf and tennis centers

3057
06:31:54,240 --> 06:31:54,240
currently do our tennis or golf centers have the same management or the same pros?

3058
06:31:58,640 --> 06:32:00,760
where are they different throughout the city? City of dallas. They're different at the golf courses,
So it's not unusual to have multiple management groups for one sport.

3059
06:32:09,270 --> 06:32:09,270
that's correct. Okay. Thank thank you, thank you,
Mayor councilwoman mendelsohn.

3060
06:32:13,390 --> 06:32:13,390
thank you. Going back to that conversation about consistency,
Are the fees the same or the memberships the same at all of these locations?

3061
06:32:24,270 --> 06:32:28,150
yes, ma'am. So the court fees are similar at all the sites. And do all of them offer a membership. So only impact activities locations offers a
Membership.

3062
06:32:35,790 --> 06:32:35,790
court fees are mandated by the city. So there is a range that the contractors have to stay
Within.

3063
06:32:45,150 --> 06:32:45,150
and then any fees for private instruction lessons,
Things like that.

3064
06:32:51,030 --> 06:32:51,030
they do vary by location. And are you expecting that the impact ones would all be the
Same.

3065
06:32:58,790 --> 06:32:58,790
or you're saying that impact is one and keast is a separate.

3066
06:33:03,110 --> 06:33:03,110
that's correct. Impact charges differently for private lessons than keast does.

3067
06:33:08,790 --> 06:33:08,790
is that more or less. It's a little more. So it's I believe one of them is keith's charges
Around $60 and

3068
06:33:18,670 --> 06:33:18,670
I think impact around 70 per hour. Okay. But you're saying everything else you think is
About the same for court fees.

3069
06:33:27,950 --> 06:33:27,950
general court fees, one location dta charges $4 per person.

3070
06:33:34,310 --> 06:33:34,310
and impact activities charges $5. That is within the range that the city is has mandated
For court fees.

3071
06:33:42,830 --> 06:33:42,830
do you have consistent fees on golf or other activities?

3072
06:33:47,150 --> 06:33:47,150
they they vary by location for golf. So depending on which golf course the area,
You know,

3073
06:33:55,190 --> 06:33:55,190
the type. Yeah. Day of day, time of the week.

3074
06:33:59,940 --> 06:33:59,940
they vary. Okay. Thank you. Council member. Ridley.

3075
06:34:06,260 --> 06:34:06,260
so, ryan, I noticed that this item is for contract period starting today.

3076
06:34:13,220 --> 06:34:13,220
does that mean that the current vendor's current contracts expire today?

3077
06:34:22,300 --> 06:34:22,300
no, sir. So the contract for kiss goes through the end of the year.

3078
06:34:29,340 --> 06:34:29,340
oh, so it's a I believe it's a month to month.

3079
06:34:34,820 --> 06:34:34,820
it's a one year, one year agreement through december.

3080
06:34:40,020 --> 06:34:40,020
so why would the new contract start today if it were approved?

3081
06:34:45,020 --> 06:34:45,020
there is language in their current contract extension that says it's a one year agreement
Or until council approves a long,

3082
06:34:52,460 --> 06:34:52,460
long term contract. Okay. So if we reject this rfp response today,
Will there be any gap in service at the

3083
06:35:02,300 --> 06:35:02,300
tennis center because the procurement period takes months,
Does it not?

3084
06:35:07,140 --> 06:35:07,140
it it does. But since there is the contract through the end of the year and we potentially
Have an opportunity to extend for an additional six months,

3085
06:35:16,460 --> 06:35:20,180
that should be adequate time to go through the process one more time. All right. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further comments,
Just really quickly, I want to also commend the speakers who came.

3086
06:35:27,660 --> 06:35:30,140
each one of you I thought was super impressive. This is how you make change. This is how you get things done in your community.

3087
06:35:33,700 --> 06:35:33,700
continue to stay involved. All of y'all are just as capable,
If not more than than us sitting around this horseshoe.

3088
06:35:39,940 --> 06:35:39,940
so hopefully one day we'll see you. In the future,
I will be supporting deputy mayor pro tem,

3089
06:35:44,460 --> 06:35:44,460
and we'll be voting no on this. Okay, so all those in favor say aye.

3090
06:35:53,580 --> 06:35:53,580
all those opposed? Nay. Sounds like that motion fails.

3091
06:35:59,210 --> 06:35:59,210
deputy mayor pro tem johnson. I move to reject the proposal for keith's park and direct
The city manager to work with the park and recreation department director to work with the

3092
06:36:08,130 --> 06:36:08,130
community and solicit and restart the process for keith's park tennis center.

3093
06:36:12,370 --> 06:36:15,650
second, we have a motion and a second discussion. Our community has come out and spoke, and so there's no need to continue to belabor this,
And I just asked my colleagues to support it.

3094
06:36:23,210 --> 06:36:23,210
thank you so much. Seeing no other comments,
All those in favor, say aye.

3095
06:36:30,170 --> 06:36:30,170
any opposed? Motion prevails. Noted, mr. Mayor.

3096
06:36:34,250 --> 06:36:34,250
next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item will be agenda item 89.

3097
06:36:43,570 --> 06:36:43,570
motion pass. No, we divide the question. Yes.

3098
06:36:50,610 --> 06:36:50,610
your next item is agenda item 89. 89 authorize the acceptance or rejection.

3099
06:37:01,370 --> 06:37:01,370
authorize the acceptance or rejection of an offer received from tof hotel lp borrower,
A texas limited partnership to one

3100
06:37:11,170 --> 06:37:11,170
pay the city $5,707,000 and the city's legal fees upon the sale and title closing of
Lorenzo

3101
06:37:20,770 --> 06:37:20,770
hotel property located at 1011 south akard street,
Owned by borrower.

3102
06:37:27,170 --> 06:37:27,170
in exchange for the release of the city of dallas lien on the property and to execute an
Agreement not to pursue any additional funds owned by borrower or

3103
06:37:37,210 --> 06:37:37,210
lawrence e hamilton, the third as trustee. Of the lawrence e hamilton living trust
Guarantor to

3104
06:37:47,130 --> 06:37:47,130
the city approved as to form by the city attorney,
And three, execute any other documents deemed necessary by the u.s.

3105
06:37:54,680 --> 06:37:54,680
department of housing and urban development,
Hud and or the city attorney's office.

3106
06:37:59,880 --> 06:37:59,880
the execution of all such and aforementioned documents contingent on hud's final approval
Of terms.

3107
06:38:07,000 --> 06:38:10,120
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Council member moreno. Yes, mayor. I move to reject the offer received from teof hotel l.p.

3108
06:38:15,760 --> 06:38:15,760
and consent to the sale of the property, subject to the following conditions.

3109
06:38:20,640 --> 06:38:20,640
release of city's lien on the property. Contingent on the borrower realizing its estimated
Sale price and payment to the city of all remaining net

3110
06:38:29,920 --> 06:38:29,920
proceeds after the senior lien positions are satisfied and reserve all rights of the city
As a lender regarding the borrower and guarantor

3111
06:38:39,880 --> 06:38:39,880
for any deficiency between the amounts owed owed under the loan documents and the net
Proceeds paid to the city in connection with such sale.

3112
06:38:48,960 --> 06:38:51,760
second, there's a motion and a second discussion. No discussion. Anyone. All right. I'll do council member.

3113
06:38:58,320 --> 06:38:58,320
mendelsohn. I just want to say, I think this entire situation is incredibly shameful.

3114
06:39:04,520 --> 06:39:04,520
we should never have allowed. And just to be clear,
There's no one on this council today who is involved in this,

3115
06:39:11,040 --> 06:39:11,040
but the city allowed for cdbg funds, which are meant to help our most vulnerable
Populations,

3116
06:39:16,720 --> 06:39:16,720
to be used as an economic development tool to literally not to to strategically not allow
A homeless shelter to be built

3117
06:39:26,800 --> 06:39:26,800
and instead a trendy hotel. And this should never happen.

3118
06:39:32,560 --> 06:39:32,560
this should never happen again. And while I believe this is the last of these kind,
We should,

3119
06:39:39,280 --> 06:39:39,280
I hope I will send you an official memo, but I hope we will put an fpc in place.

3120
06:39:44,920 --> 06:39:44,920
a financial management performance criteria that does not allow that kind of transaction
To happen,

3121
06:39:50,430 --> 06:39:50,430
so that current or future city managers will never bring that to another council.

3122
06:39:55,590 --> 06:39:55,590
thank you, councilmember roth. Could you please restate the motion?

3123
06:40:02,550 --> 06:40:02,550
could you please restate the motion?

3124
06:40:17,990 --> 06:40:17,990
a copy of the motion is being delivered to you. Mr.. Thank you.

3125
06:40:28,830 --> 06:40:28,830
mr. Roth, do you still want the floor? Let me come back to you after I read the motion.

3126
06:40:34,030 --> 06:40:34,030
thank you. Any other discussion?

3127
06:40:47,990 --> 06:40:47,990
we'll give mr. Roth a second. Thank you. I'm sorry to to

3128
06:40:57,430 --> 06:40:57,430
delayed. This just does give us some other alternative.

3129
06:41:01,950 --> 06:41:05,830
it gives us the authority to move forward with some authorization. But for the staff to review and and continue some discussions.

3130
06:41:11,470 --> 06:41:11,470
is that correct? I don't think they heard the question.

3131
06:41:16,910 --> 06:41:16,910
I'm sorry, mr. Roth. What the does this allow some some additional discussions and,
And

3132
06:41:26,270 --> 06:41:26,270
negotiation with the, the parties with regard to this,
This particular transaction.

3133
06:41:37,790 --> 06:41:37,790
city attorney's office will be responding. Mr.

3134
06:41:43,340 --> 06:41:43,340
mayor, I didn't. I think I heard the entire question and the answer would be yes. Anything
Else,

3135
06:41:50,540 --> 06:41:50,540
mr. Roth? No, I think that that that. All right.

3136
06:41:55,860 --> 06:41:55,860
thank you. I'm seeing no further comments. All those in favor,
Say aye.

3137
06:42:01,220 --> 06:42:01,220
any opposed? Motion prevails. Next item. Thank you,
Mr.

3138
06:42:06,700 --> 06:42:06,700
mayor. We will now go back to your pulled items,
Beginning with agenda item ten.

3139
06:42:15,060 --> 06:42:15,060
agenda item ten authorizes one the second amendment to contract.

3140
06:42:19,500 --> 06:42:19,500
number hh00146550001 with the texas department of state health services.

3141
06:42:28,020 --> 06:42:28,020
dshs for the texas lactation support after hours hotline program for a no fee assistance
Services for lactating

3142
06:42:37,460 --> 06:42:37,460
mothers in an amount not to exceed $360,000 from $800,000 to $1,160,000.

3143
06:42:46,900 --> 06:42:46,900
two. An amendment to the term of the contract period for september 1st,
2024 through august 31st,

3144
06:42:54,380 --> 06:42:54,380
2026 to september 1st, 2024 through august 31st,
2027.

3145
06:43:01,300 --> 06:43:01,300
three. The acceptance of additional grant funds from fiscal year 2027.

3146
06:43:07,300 --> 06:43:07,300
budget for amendment number two in the amount of $360,000 for the continuation of the
Tlsah program for

3147
06:43:17,300 --> 06:43:17,300
establishment of appropriations in a new fund in an amount not to exceed $360,000 in the
Fy 27 texas lactation

3148
06:43:26,580 --> 06:43:26,580
support after hours hotline fund. Five. The receipt and deposit of grant funds in an
Amount not to exceed $360,000 in the fy

3149
06:43:36,580 --> 06:43:36,580
27 texas lactation support after hours hotline fund,
And six execution of the second amendment to the contract in all

3150
06:43:46,380 --> 06:43:46,380
terms, conditions and documents required by the contract not to exceed $360,000 from
$800,000 to

3151
06:43:55,540 --> 06:43:55,540
$1,160,000. This item was pulled by council member mendelsohn and deputy mayor pro tem
Johnson.

3152
06:44:01,500 --> 06:44:01,500
move. Approval. Is there a. Is there a second?

3153
06:44:06,180 --> 06:44:09,540
second. Okay, I heard a motion and a second discussion. I see council member mendelsohn. Yes. I'm not in support of this item.

3154
06:44:17,260 --> 06:44:20,180
I am very much in support of lactation services. They are essential. Having a hotline that's available 24 over seven is exactly the right
Time of night.

3155
06:44:26,980 --> 06:44:26,980
that that a nursing mother needs assistance. Because when you have a screaming,
Crying baby and you are up in the middle of the night,

3156
06:44:34,820 --> 06:44:34,820
it is very, very frustrating for everyone in the household.

3157
06:44:39,330 --> 06:44:39,330
the problem is this program does not belong in the city of dallas.

3158
06:44:43,850 --> 06:44:43,850
lactation is a health issue, and we designate our health authority to dallas county.

3159
06:44:49,970 --> 06:44:53,010
and this program ought to be with dallas county. So deputy mayor, pro tem, you have said as chair of coj that this is one of your
Priorities for government efficiency,

3160
06:45:01,650 --> 06:45:05,170
that programs are with the right government entity. This is not the right government entity. And furthermore,
I would like to say on the record to the city manager that this is exactly the kind of

3161
06:45:14,730 --> 06:45:14,730
thing that if a staff member notices a grant like this,
They should alert our partners at the county so they can apply.

3162
06:45:22,530 --> 06:45:22,530
but for staff to have spent time applying for this grant,
To even work on setting up new accounts,

3163
06:45:29,250 --> 06:45:32,610
setting up the program, this is not what we do. And our people have told us over and over and over again.

3164
06:45:36,010 --> 06:45:36,010
please do your job and do it well. And I don't know if you've noticed,
They don't think we're doing that.

3165
06:45:43,490 --> 06:45:43,490
so adding a new program that is truly outside the scope of what we do as a city is just
Asking for more distraction,

3166
06:45:52,050 --> 06:45:52,050
and it's unnecessary. So we should say no and let the county either apply for this,
Work it out between them.

3167
06:46:00,850 --> 06:46:00,850
but we've got to stop adding more government programs and services that are not part of
What we do.

3168
06:46:07,930 --> 06:46:07,930
thank you. Council member gracey. Oh thank you.

3169
06:46:13,010 --> 06:46:16,370
I don't disagree. However, this is free money. And this is a one hour. This is a one year extension.

3170
06:46:19,170 --> 06:46:19,170
this is not a new contract. I think there are some services that should be considered,
But this is one of those where it's grants,

3171
06:46:25,450 --> 06:46:25,450
it's not impacting our general fund to an extent from a service hours and things like
That.

3172
06:46:31,130 --> 06:46:31,130
from a staffing perspective, perhaps. However,
This is a grant and when we broke.

3173
06:46:36,320 --> 06:46:39,280
I don't understand how broke people say no to free money. Thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson. Thank you mayor.

3174
06:46:44,560 --> 06:46:44,560
I 100% agree with chair mendelsohn concerning this matter.

3175
06:46:49,920 --> 06:46:49,920
I know that we are having this discussion in our coach meeting as the chair of coach.

3176
06:46:55,840 --> 06:46:55,840
and so I also understand what chair gracey is saying as well.

3177
06:47:02,280 --> 06:47:02,280
it is a free money. We've had a conversation about it recently to help me get more of
Understanding,

3178
06:47:07,440 --> 06:47:07,440
but chair mendelsohn is correct. We do support and understand that our community,
Especially in district four in the southern part of dallas

3179
06:47:17,520 --> 06:47:17,520
needs the wick program. However, this is not our we're,
We're not doing what we need to do,

3180
06:47:24,000 --> 06:47:26,320
and we need to work with the county to get this done. So I 100% agree with chair mendelsohn concerning this matter,
But I also agree with with chair gracey concerning the free money is not affecting our

3181
06:47:35,640 --> 06:47:35,640
budget, and we're going to yet bring this conversation back to our coach meeting because
That's what we was we're expecting to do so we can bring some resolve to this matter.

3182
06:47:45,040 --> 06:47:45,040
thank you so much, councilmember ridley. Question for the city manager.

3183
06:47:50,520 --> 06:47:50,520
does this grant cover all of our staff administrative function in administering this
Program?

3184
06:47:59,520 --> 06:47:59,520
yes. I understand from staff that it does. So do we hire special staff just to administer
This,

3185
06:48:05,360 --> 06:48:08,600
or is this an extra burden on our current staff? Yeah. Great question. I'm going to ask jessica and thor erikson if they can answer that.

3186
06:48:19,440 --> 06:48:23,120
hi. Good evening jessica, deputy director of housing and community empowerment. For this contract, we received the funding from the department of state health services
Because of the fact that we are the agency that administers work locally.

3187
06:48:32,030 --> 06:48:32,030
a portion of funding that we receive allows us to provide lactation services because the
Department of state health services so values the need for

3188
06:48:41,830 --> 06:48:41,830
lactation support available 24 over seven, which we've all recognized is critically
Important.

3189
06:48:47,150 --> 06:48:47,150
they allocate money specifically to us to be able to enter a contract with a provider,
To offer those services 24 over seven in multiple languages.

3190
06:48:55,750 --> 06:48:55,750
the funding that we receive here is tied to item number 16,
Which actually authorizes the contract with the provider to provide those services.

3191
06:49:05,310 --> 06:49:09,190
the responsibility that we have is to manage that contract. In both cases, we're actually doing renewals.

3192
06:49:12,310 --> 06:49:15,630
so we're renewing and extending this contract for its second. And then the same with the pacify as a contract extension.

3193
06:49:19,390 --> 06:49:19,390
and so right now we're in the middle of a multiyear term.

3194
06:49:24,630 --> 06:49:24,630
and that term renews on september 1st, which is why we've brought it forward,
Is to allow time for those contracts to be able to be authorized,

3195
06:49:33,310 --> 06:49:33,310
executed and in place by september 1st so that the agency or so that services are not
Interrupted.

3196
06:49:40,710 --> 06:49:40,710
so it does cover the entire cost. We are allowed to charge any staff time that goes into
Managing or overseeing this contract,

3197
06:49:49,750 --> 06:49:53,190
any staff time that goes into the procurement process. Of course, this being a renewal, it didn't require any procurement at this time,
But we are able to cover those costs within these funds as well.

3198
06:50:01,070 --> 06:50:01,070
so is there any reason why the county isn't administering this program?

3199
06:50:05,470 --> 06:50:05,470
so the county would not be able to administer this program because it comes to us because
We're in a multi year agreement and commitment to serve as a local agency for the wick

3200
06:50:15,350 --> 06:50:15,350
program. If the county or another agency were a wick local agency,
It is possible we did not seek or apply for these funds.

3201
06:50:25,340 --> 06:50:25,340
they were off. They were actually just given to us to be able to offer after hours
Lactation support and thus create a 24 hour support system

3202
06:50:35,140 --> 06:50:37,980
for our mothers who are in need of that support. So the county doesn't offer any services. The county does not offer services.

3203
06:50:43,540 --> 06:50:43,540
why is that? Do you know? I, I know that we are the local agency and that we have been for
50 years,

3204
06:50:49,980 --> 06:50:49,980
but most recently. And of course, we're not talking about the past,
But we're talking about the current at this time as it relates to wick,

3205
06:50:57,380 --> 06:50:57,380
we are in the third of a five year contract or for first second of a five year contract
For wick.

3206
06:51:03,580 --> 06:51:03,580
so there's nothing that disqualifies the county from being the wick agent.

3207
06:51:07,980 --> 06:51:10,420
it's just that traditionally it's been the city. It's not our decision. Who's the wick agency?

3208
06:51:13,780 --> 06:51:13,780
the state, if they were to want to move forward to have a different wick agency,
They would have to go through a procurement process which they've stated would take up to

3209
06:51:22,020 --> 06:51:22,020
18 months. Okay. Thank you. Council member. Mendelsohn.

3210
06:51:27,900 --> 06:51:27,900
I'd like to move to amend the motion to include direction to the city manager to begin
Working with the state to remove both wick and this lactation contract.

3211
06:51:37,700 --> 06:51:41,300
second. Second. There's a motion and a second discussion. Yes. The codes committee has heard I think we had two briefings now on wick.

3212
06:51:48,500 --> 06:51:51,700
I think we might have had a third if we had quorum last week. But this, this is the city of dallas administering offices all over dallas county.

3213
06:52:01,700 --> 06:52:05,380
we have no business doing that. We have leases all over the place. There's a lot of staff members, a couple hundred,
210, 220, 260.

3214
06:52:12,100 --> 06:52:12,100
and this again, is just not what we're supposed to be doing.

3215
06:52:16,980 --> 06:52:16,980
this is the inefficiency of government. This is exactly chair johnson.

3216
06:52:21,370 --> 06:52:21,370
what you have said is your priority. And so I think it is time for us,
Especially if you're saying it takes 18 months for them to do a procurement,

3217
06:52:29,570 --> 06:52:29,570
which is also shocking us that now is the time to tell the manager,
You need to start working on this and transferring this off to the proper

3218
06:52:39,330 --> 06:52:39,330
entity, which I believe is the county. But if a hospital system or another group wants to
Do it,

3219
06:52:44,730 --> 06:52:44,730
then they can respond to the state rfp, but it is not the city of dallas that should be
Doing this.

3220
06:52:50,930 --> 06:52:50,930
thank you. Just want to make one point of clarification,
Councilwoman.

3221
06:52:55,650 --> 06:52:55,650
your motion has to only apply to the item that's been posted,
Not to the entire wick program.

3222
06:53:00,810 --> 06:53:00,810
so I just want to make it. I would not have put wick in there except miss gallishaw said
That they were connected.

3223
06:53:07,970 --> 06:53:07,970
so I'm happy to say just this. I think that it will inform the manager that that must also
Include wick and perhaps on the next agenda

3224
06:53:17,770 --> 06:53:17,770
for doge, the chairman will put that on there as a directive that can then come back to
Council.

3225
06:53:23,530 --> 06:53:23,530
thank you. Just to be clear, I don't want to put words in your mouth,
But your motion is specific to the item that was posted, not to the work program as a

3226
06:53:29,890 --> 06:53:29,890
whole. Correct. Got it. Okay. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson yes.

3227
06:53:34,050 --> 06:53:34,050
and just to make clarity it was on the agenda to be discussed and we did not have a
Quorum.

3228
06:53:41,890 --> 06:53:41,890
and on our next meeting, we will also have this on there to discuss.

3229
06:53:46,530 --> 06:53:46,530
it's been discussed. We're waiting on administration to bring us more information
Concerning this matter.

3230
06:53:52,610 --> 06:53:52,610
so thank you so much. All right. I'm seeing no further comments.

3231
06:53:57,930 --> 06:53:57,930
all those in favor of this amendment say aye.

3232
06:54:02,090 --> 06:54:02,090
any opposed? The amendment prevails. So now we're back on the main motion,
Which is to approve the item.

3233
06:54:10,250 --> 06:54:10,250
any other discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor say aye.

3234
06:54:17,480 --> 06:54:17,480
any opposed? Motion prevails. Next item. Thank you,
Mr.

3235
06:54:22,800 --> 06:54:22,800
mayor. Your next item is agenda item 13. Item 13.

3236
06:54:29,280 --> 06:54:29,280
authorize the dallas public facility corporation to one acquire,
Develop and own epperson,

3237
06:54:35,840 --> 06:54:35,840
a mixed income multifamily development that will span four parcels located at 1431 apple
Street,

3238
06:54:44,840 --> 06:54:44,840
1500 cato street, caddo street, 1526 caddo street and 3910 san jacinto street,
Dallas, texas

3239
06:54:54,600 --> 06:54:54,600
7520 for the project and to enter into a 75 year lease agreement with slate properties llc
And or its

3240
06:55:04,280 --> 06:55:08,080
affiliate for the development of the project. You do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item.

3241
06:55:11,880 --> 06:55:11,880
reed buckler. You'll be given three minutes. Your microphone.

3242
06:55:21,640 --> 06:55:24,680
there's a button at the base. Yes. Thank you. Mayor. Council members. Staff. My name is reed buckler.

3243
06:55:29,560 --> 06:55:29,560
I am with slate properties where the developer on this project and we're here regarding a
Pfc to be known as the apperson

3244
06:55:39,160 --> 06:55:39,160
in east dallas. This will be a 251 unit mixed income housing project in partnership with
The dallas pfc.

3245
06:55:49,040 --> 06:55:49,040
it will be our first pfc project, and I believe the first pfc project in east dallas.

3246
06:55:56,640 --> 06:55:56,640
so we're really excited about this project. We think it'll help with bringing housing for
The missing middle in the east dallas community,

3247
06:56:05,000 --> 06:56:08,240
which continues to get more and more expensive. A little bit of background on us. We are purely multifamily developer based in dallas.

3248
06:56:14,590 --> 06:56:14,590
the design team. The construction team are all dallas based companies as well.

3249
06:56:22,030 --> 06:56:22,030
we've been involved in the development of over 200 townhomes in east dallas and three
Other multifamily projects over in that area.

3250
06:56:31,190 --> 06:56:31,190
the site is currently an empty warehouse and storage yard that were previously owned by
Citywide

3251
06:56:41,070 --> 06:56:41,070
mechanical. And then it was an at&t storage yard that had both sent vacant since around
2018.

3252
06:56:51,990 --> 06:56:51,990
and if it were not for a program with the dallas pfc the reality is that this project
Would not make economic sense right

3253
06:57:01,830 --> 06:57:01,830
now. So as I know, y'all have had many folks basically come through here hunting or
Basically brought one through back last

3254
06:57:11,390 --> 06:57:11,390
year that I believe council member willis said was a master class talking about how the
Benefit of the pfc program is

3255
06:57:21,230 --> 06:57:21,230
not necessarily just what it is today, but ultimately basically what it ends up doing for
The the community in general.

3256
06:57:30,750 --> 06:57:30,750
and so that's one of the things that we're looking at is,
Yes, there are going to be some forgoing property taxes,

3257
06:57:36,190 --> 06:57:36,190
but the benefits through pfc structuring fees,
Sales tax fees, ground lease payments, fees on sales of the property,

3258
06:57:45,190 --> 06:57:45,190
and ultimately a buyout fee. If somebody wanted to basically buy out of the program
Between years 40 and 60 end up generating significantly more

3259
06:57:55,070 --> 06:57:55,070
money for the, the pfc that ultimately go back into services than any loss in revenue from
Sales

3260
06:58:05,350 --> 06:58:05,350
tax or sorry, property taxes. So the project is projected to produce about $464,000 a year
In rent,

3261
06:58:14,870 --> 06:58:14,870
sorry, in yearly rent subsidies as well. So with that,
I hope that you all would support this project.

3262
06:58:20,510 --> 06:58:24,270
thank you. There are no further speakers on this item,
Mr. Mayor. This item approval second. Okay. I heard a motion and a second.

3263
06:58:28,630 --> 06:58:28,630
discussion. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Well, this will come as no surprise to anyone here
That I am opposed to this item,

3264
06:58:37,390 --> 06:58:37,390
which is a 75 year contract. I believe I've heard people say today 75 years is too long
For a contract.

3265
06:58:44,910 --> 06:58:44,910
it's got 251 units. What's interesting is to hear this discussion that it's for missing
Middle when even at 80%

3266
06:58:54,910 --> 06:58:54,910
ami, which is the bulk of the units, the rent for an efficiency is

3267
06:59:04,790 --> 06:59:04,790
over $1,400 for a one bedroom over $1,800, and for a two bedroom over $2,100.

3268
06:59:12,780 --> 06:59:16,340
that's not the missing middle. That's pretty darn expensive. And I know why it's expensive because it's in a very expensive part of town.

3269
06:59:20,580 --> 06:59:20,580
and I guess the question I have for you is, do you think giving up over 5.6 million for
Just 60 years,

3270
06:59:28,420 --> 06:59:31,380
there's another 15 years that hasn't even been calculated. But do you think giving up millions of dollars of tax revenue is required when there are
Thousands and

3271
06:59:40,940 --> 06:59:40,940
thousands of units available for less than the abated property you're talking about,
Meaning they can go pay market rate

3272
06:59:50,700 --> 06:59:50,700
for less, but it's not going to be on the street.

3273
06:59:55,860 --> 06:59:55,860
and I don't think that it is a good use of our tax authority to give up these necessary
Dollars.

3274
07:00:03,460 --> 07:00:03,460
like we're scrounging, right? People are really getting down to the bottom of the barrel
Here,

3275
07:00:09,220 --> 07:00:09,220
and you're going to give it up for 75 years. You're going to handcuff future councils when
There are tons of properties in every one of our districts that are much less

3276
07:00:19,220 --> 07:00:19,220
expensive than even the abated amount. So there's no way this this is actually

3277
07:00:29,220 --> 07:00:29,220
a perfect case. And when I looked on apartments.com,
There are more than 17000 units that are one bedroom that are cheaper than

3278
07:00:39,220 --> 07:00:39,220
the affordable rate that we're going to offer by giving up property taxes.

3279
07:00:44,020 --> 07:00:44,020
there are more than 6800 units of the two bedroom that are cheaper than the subsidized by
The tax rate abatement.

3280
07:00:53,820 --> 07:00:53,820
I mean, if there's ever a pfc, you're going to vote to say,
You know, we're going to pass on this one.

3281
07:01:01,740 --> 07:01:01,740
this is the one because the dollar amounts are just too high.

3282
07:01:06,730 --> 07:01:06,730
and I'm sorry. It's like if highland park was part of our city.

3283
07:01:11,450 --> 07:01:11,450
do you believe everybody deserves to be able to live anywhere they want,
And the government should subsidize it?

3284
07:01:17,650 --> 07:01:17,650
that's really what you're talking about. So I'm completely opposed to this,
And that's all I'm going to say.

3285
07:01:25,770 --> 07:01:25,770
I hope that you will not support this deal. Council member west.

3286
07:01:29,970 --> 07:01:29,970
thank you. I'm going to invite aaron yaquinto to come down,
And I'd just ask that you explain to us the thought

3287
07:01:39,410 --> 07:01:39,410
process of our council appointed public facilities corporation board members and what they
Considered when

3288
07:01:49,250 --> 07:01:49,250
suggesting approval for this item and what the vote count was for this item.

3289
07:01:55,010 --> 07:01:55,010
thank you. Thank you, chairman west. Aaron quinto,
General manager of the dallas pfc.

3290
07:02:03,610 --> 07:02:03,610
so the question was, how did the pfc board come to approve this item?

3291
07:02:10,250 --> 07:02:10,250
yes, sir. So they do a pretty thorough vetting of all these projects.

3292
07:02:14,690 --> 07:02:17,650
they look at all of the risks and all of the benefits. And, you know, mr. Speaker, laid it out. What you're really giving up in dollar amounts
Doesn't really compare with what you're getting in rental

3293
07:02:27,330 --> 07:02:30,170
savings, right. But there's more to the picture. They look at the neighborhoods surrounding it. They look at all of the ancillary economic
Effects that come with living close to where you want to go to school,

3294
07:02:37,530 --> 07:02:37,530
where you work, and all these other things. Let's just focus on this deal because it's
Getting late. So not the global,

3295
07:02:42,570 --> 07:02:42,570
but this deal, right? This particular deal is in a very high opportunity area of town.

3296
07:02:48,410 --> 07:02:48,410
it's close to a lot of job centers. And folks who are low income,
Who work in these job centers will provide them a very good opportunity to live very near

3297
07:02:56,290 --> 07:02:56,290
where they work, providing a very good benefit to their families and to those who live
With them to to be here in near east dallas we heard the rent amount mentioned

3298
07:03:06,280 --> 07:03:06,280
in that it was seemingly higher than other parts of town.

3299
07:03:10,600 --> 07:03:14,280
can you address that question? Yeah, each location is different. Real estate is very location specific, very. There are micro submarkets in each area of
Town.

3300
07:03:20,600 --> 07:03:24,400
you all know this, and one location is not comparable to another location. When looking at price, this location is again a very high opportunity area,
Close to jobs,

3301
07:03:29,080 --> 07:03:31,800
close to schools, close to the center of downtown. So obviously in general, this area is very expensive and it's hard for folks who are of
Lower income levels or even middle income levels to live here in an affordable rate.

3302
07:03:41,680 --> 07:03:45,080
and what was on the site before this would be built? I think several vacant buildings that have been vacant for several years now,
Nothing that was generating any income,

3303
07:03:51,080 --> 07:03:51,080
okay, is the foregone estimated tax revenue,
If it would be if this was fully built out as a as a multifamily property like at market

3304
07:04:00,840 --> 07:04:00,840
rate. Is that where that comes from? That's the projected.

3305
07:04:05,200 --> 07:04:05,200
the current forgone taxes for the current year is $34,000 that would be owed to the city
Of dallas or that is owed right now over the 60 years of the tax exemption.

3306
07:04:14,680 --> 07:04:14,680
and I just want to make clear, the tax exemption authorized by the state is only 60 years.

3307
07:04:18,880 --> 07:04:18,880
our lease with this with this company is for 75 years that we're considering.

3308
07:04:23,280 --> 07:04:23,280
but the tax exemption has to be renewed at year 60 if they are to continue.

3309
07:04:28,400 --> 07:04:28,400
so there's some confusion there. But over 60 years,
The city of dallas would stand to forego $5.6 million.

3310
07:04:35,960 --> 07:04:35,960
but that's over 60 years. That would be if this site was built out as a market rate
Income.

3311
07:04:42,920 --> 07:04:42,920
that's not if it was built out, if it were built out as a market rate project,
It would be significantly more,

3312
07:04:50,600 --> 07:04:50,600
but it has not been able to support that. That's why there's nothing there right now.

3313
07:04:54,840 --> 07:04:54,840
okay. Thank you. Council member willis. Thank you.

3314
07:04:59,870 --> 07:04:59,870
so that's the thing. I mean, 75 year contracts where you're paying a lot of money out.

3315
07:05:04,110 --> 07:05:04,110
you're not getting anything back. Yeah, we don't like those. But in this case what we're
Getting is affordability.

3316
07:05:09,550 --> 07:05:09,550
and if we want to say don't san francisco, my dallas,
We have to think beyond the tip of our nose in 2026 and think towards 60 years hence.

3317
07:05:18,270 --> 07:05:18,270
so that we're preserving some affordability,
Whatever that may be, you know, decades ahead.

3318
07:05:23,550 --> 07:05:23,550
mr. Buckler, you said what did you say the rent was annually?

3319
07:05:29,350 --> 07:05:29,350
I mean, it was at 464,000, 24,000 $424,000. So this is not just revenue foregone.

3320
07:05:36,830 --> 07:05:36,830
there's $424,000 a year that will be generated to go back into this fund,
Which right now generates more affordable housing.

3321
07:05:46,070 --> 07:05:46,070
but at some point, we may change the policy and decide we want some of that money diverted
Into other things that we need.

3322
07:05:53,630 --> 07:05:53,630
so when I look at $93,000 a year, $375 a door to help us with this affordability.

3323
07:06:01,670 --> 07:06:01,670
I mean, we know how far behind we are in housing,
So it makes this make sense.

3324
07:06:07,350 --> 07:06:07,350
and later tonight, if we make it before midnight or beyond,
We're going to be hearing zoning cases.

3325
07:06:12,390 --> 07:06:12,390
and so that's a way we can offset by growing our tax base and taking a hard look at mixed
Use projects and other ones that are also approving or

3326
07:06:21,590 --> 07:06:21,590
improving our tax base so that it's an offset here.

3327
07:06:26,030 --> 07:06:26,030
so we have to have an open mind when it comes to that part of our docket.

3328
07:06:30,830 --> 07:06:34,510
but not to turn our back on the affordable housing we need so much. So I appreciate that this is, you know, right now fairly fallow,
It sounds like.

3329
07:06:38,670 --> 07:06:38,670
and so we certainly need housing. And it may not be everyone's definition of missing
Middle,

3330
07:06:44,470 --> 07:06:47,350
but I mean, we don't have a lot of the middle. It's really, really missing. So I'm supportive of this.

3331
07:06:51,230 --> 07:06:51,230
thank you. Council member roth. A couple questions.

3332
07:06:56,340 --> 07:06:56,340
how much is the total construction budget for your new development?

3333
07:07:02,780 --> 07:07:02,780
this construction budget is $50 million, $50.9 million.

3334
07:07:10,220 --> 07:07:10,220
and the location of this property is how close is it to central expressway where the
Southland tower is now?

3335
07:07:19,660 --> 07:07:19,660
is it about a mile two miles from there? About a mile,
Give or take.

3336
07:07:27,140 --> 07:07:30,940
so that's near the knox henderson development area. It's sort of near baylor hospital. It's sort of in a,
An area that is that the development is actually moving towards

3337
07:07:41,580 --> 07:07:41,580
at $50 million. What would you figure the annual tax revenue would be for that for the
City of dallas?

3338
07:07:54,660 --> 07:07:57,860
I mean, it's it's all speculative. No, it's not speculative. It's $50 million development. If it was if it was a full price development.

3339
07:08:03,700 --> 07:08:03,700
how much would the taxes be? And if you would like me to,
I'll tell you exactly what it is.

3340
07:08:10,660 --> 07:08:10,660
it's going to be the city portion of that is going to be $350,000 a year.

3341
07:08:19,820 --> 07:08:19,820
and so $350,000 a year is times 60 years is $22 million that we're forgoing.

3342
07:08:29,820 --> 07:08:29,820
not $5 million. $5 million is what, based on a current tax value of nothing of $1

3343
07:08:39,480 --> 07:08:39,480
million for the property. So again, now what I'm trying to discuss here is not to.

3344
07:08:48,650 --> 07:08:48,650
criticize the developer or the development. The economics today may not work,
But to give up

3345
07:08:57,930 --> 07:08:57,930
$22 million over a period of time to me, is significant money.

3346
07:09:04,410 --> 07:09:04,410
7060 years is a long time and they have the right to extend it again.

3347
07:09:09,250 --> 07:09:09,250
this is a an area. These this is a great area for future development for it's going to be
In the path of growth.

3348
07:09:18,610 --> 07:09:18,610
to the, to the credit of the developer, they're trying to get something started in an area
That is not right ripe right now,

3349
07:09:28,450 --> 07:09:28,450
but we're not talking about 20 years from now that this is going to be the center of the
Universe.

3350
07:09:33,850 --> 07:09:33,850
and so my, my concern, and I've brought it up several times that a 60 year a or 75 year
Tax

3351
07:09:43,410 --> 07:09:43,410
abatement is not appropriate. And if we could figure out a way to make those tax
Abatements shorter,

3352
07:09:49,730 --> 07:09:49,730
to give the developer the opportunity to get the project going,
Get it up and running, and then allow the city to recoup some of that value down the road.

3353
07:10:00,490 --> 07:10:00,490
it would be a great opportunity and a great economic development incentive for us.

3354
07:10:05,730 --> 07:10:05,730
again, I don't know what the rules are, but it seems like to me that the we're I'm telling
You folks,

3355
07:10:12,130 --> 07:10:12,130
we're giving up a lot of future revenue in, in areas that are really growing.

3356
07:10:17,530 --> 07:10:21,090
and again, this is not a hit on the developer. The developers are trying to, to make something economically viable.

3357
07:10:26,170 --> 07:10:26,170
but it really does hit our bottom line and we shouldn't be,
Shouldn't be encouraging folks to get all through this process,

3358
07:10:34,450 --> 07:10:34,450
which takes a year or longer. And then bring it up to us without giving them the heads up
Early on that this is not an

3359
07:10:44,400 --> 07:10:44,400
economically viable situation for us. I'm really opposed to these these long term tax
Abatements.

3360
07:10:51,840 --> 07:10:51,840
again, it's I'm not opposed to your development and I'm not opposed to you all.

3361
07:10:56,760 --> 07:10:56,760
but this particular one doesn't make any economic sense for the city.

3362
07:11:01,920 --> 07:11:01,920
it, it certainly helps affordable housing, but we're,
We're, we're sure that $22 million,

3363
07:11:08,320 --> 07:11:08,320
we could sure be throwing that money into some other areas where we could really apply
That affordable housing in areas that would be more

3364
07:11:18,200 --> 07:11:18,200
advantageous for the city. Council member. Moreno.

3365
07:11:25,240 --> 07:11:25,240
thank you. Mayor. I will not be supporting the the motion on two reasons.

3366
07:11:33,920 --> 07:11:37,160
one is I don't believe that it's preserving affordability. The rents are already at a higher rate, and I don't see the opportunities to spur economic
Development on the location that they're going.

3367
07:11:45,720 --> 07:11:49,280
it's pretty built out. It's right behind ross avenue. And so I don't see how this project will spur economic development.

3368
07:11:52,360 --> 07:11:52,360
thank you mayor. Councilmember ridley. So aaron,
What is the comparison of the studio and one bedroom

3369
07:12:02,280 --> 07:12:02,280
apartment rents in this proposed project compared to what the market rates are in that
Area?

3370
07:12:10,120 --> 07:12:10,120
yes. Thank you, chair ridley. So the market rents are significantly higher than what the
Affordable restricted rate units would be.

3371
07:12:18,840 --> 07:12:18,840
so for an efficiency unit would be about $1,200,
Which is about $300 less than what the market would charge.

3372
07:12:25,920 --> 07:12:25,920
so those are $300 a month for someone who would be able to live in there.

3373
07:12:31,360 --> 07:12:34,440
so significant savings. Same with the one bedrooms. You're about $1,400 a month versus 1900. So that's about a $500 savings.

3374
07:12:38,880 --> 07:12:38,880
and then your two bedrooms you're at $1,500 at the 60% level versus $2,900.

3375
07:12:46,880 --> 07:12:49,880
so almost double what you would be paying at market. And so although it may not seem quote unquote affordable,
It's much more attainable for, for those in the middle who might be wanting to live here,

3376
07:12:58,600 --> 07:12:58,600
close to work, close to close to the center of jobs here. And that analysis is why I am
Strongly in favor of this project.

3377
07:13:05,760 --> 07:13:09,320
my district, as you may know, is a high cost district. Land is very expensive and it's scarce. I can count on one hand the number of affordable
New housing in my

3378
07:13:18,920 --> 07:13:18,920
district. We need this in district 14 to add diversity to the population,
To bring people of low and moderate wage

3379
07:13:28,520 --> 07:13:28,520
levels closer to their places of employment,
To make it easier for businesses in the district to employ people in service level

3380
07:13:38,510 --> 07:13:38,510
jobs because they live near their jobs. It has many intangible economic benefits in that
Sense.

3381
07:13:47,350 --> 07:13:47,350
so that's why I urge you to vote for this project,
Because we need it in district 14, as opposed to adding more

3382
07:13:57,190 --> 07:13:57,190
low income housing to areas that are already saturated with it.

3383
07:14:02,710 --> 07:14:02,710
okay. Seeing no further comments, the motion on the floor is to approve this item.

3384
07:14:08,870 --> 07:14:08,870
a record vote has been requested. City secretary,
Please call the roll.

3385
07:14:13,350 --> 07:14:13,350
thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes, if you're in favor.

3386
07:14:18,990 --> 07:14:22,950
no. If you oppose. Council member. West. Yes. Council member. Moreno. Council member. Gracey.

3387
07:14:26,230 --> 07:14:26,230
yes. Council member. Yes. Council member bazaldua is absent when vote taken.

3388
07:14:33,990 --> 07:14:37,030
council member. Blair. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member roth.

3389
07:14:40,590 --> 07:14:40,590
no. Council member. Mendelsohn. No. Council member willis.

3390
07:14:45,830 --> 07:14:45,830
yes. Council member ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

3391
07:14:51,990 --> 07:14:51,990
yes. Mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson is absent and vote taken.

3392
07:15:03,030 --> 07:15:03,030
with ten voting in favor, three opposed and two absent.

3393
07:15:07,270 --> 07:15:07,270
vote taken. The motion passes, mr. Mayor. Next item.

3394
07:15:11,670 --> 07:15:11,670
thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 14.

3395
07:15:22,350 --> 07:15:22,350
agenda item 14. Authorize the dallas public facility corporation to one acquire and
Improved property and develop and own

3396
07:15:32,110 --> 07:15:32,110
3021 a 86 unit mixed income multifamily development to be located at 3021 martin luther
King junior

3397
07:15:41,940 --> 07:15:41,940
boulevard, dallas, texas 75215 project and to enter into a 75 year lease agreement with
Venetian

3398
07:15:52,260 --> 07:15:52,260
development group llc and or its affiliate for the development of the project.

3399
07:15:57,860 --> 07:15:57,860
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item,
Jay taylor.

3400
07:16:04,460 --> 07:16:04,460
good afternoon, councilman and councilwoman. I'll keep it sweet.

3401
07:16:08,500 --> 07:16:08,500
I'm speaking in support of this project. I am the designer for the project.

3402
07:16:12,940 --> 07:16:12,940
it's a 86 unit multifamily pfc deal. This is meant to poise,
To act as a revitalization on the martin luther king corridor.

3403
07:16:23,780 --> 07:16:23,780
that focuses on affordability and housing. That hopefully will be a catalyst for change
Along that corridor.

3404
07:16:31,140 --> 07:16:34,940
thank you. Thank you. There are no further speakers for this item,
Mr. Mayor. This item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Move approval.

3405
07:16:39,420 --> 07:16:42,020
there's a motion in a second. Any discussion? Yes, sir. Councilwoman. Blackmon. Thank you. I am repping adam bazaldua for this item that
Is in his district.

3406
07:16:49,180 --> 07:16:52,860
this has been in the long time making, and we are excited to bring it here today. This project will deliver 86 mixed income multifamily units right on the mlk corridor,
Including 39 market rate.

3407
07:17:01,900 --> 07:17:05,620
and it's based on a balance of income mix to the area. We support this item as a $20 million private investment that contributes meaningful
Economic activity and investment in a corridor that is long overdue for this

3408
07:17:15,260 --> 07:17:15,260
type of growth and momentum. I'm particularly encouraged that this development includes
Amenities that support a quality of life,

3409
07:17:22,340 --> 07:17:22,340
including a business and technology center, a fitness center,
A community park space, and direct access to a dart transit system.

3410
07:17:31,970 --> 07:17:31,970
transit station. It also advances our mixed income housing goals under the dallas housing
Resource catalog while

3411
07:17:41,210 --> 07:17:41,210
activating a long time vacant property. We. I will be supporting this item because it
Advances the housing supply on a key southern south dallas

3412
07:17:50,650 --> 07:17:50,650
corridor and puts investment into a part of the city that desperately needs it.

3413
07:17:56,010 --> 07:17:58,410
I hope you will join me in supporting this item. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you. Well, given our lengthy agenda and the our and the
Fact that we just

3414
07:18:08,010 --> 07:18:08,010
debated the concept even of fcs, I think I should just tell you I'm opposed to this.

3415
07:18:13,370 --> 07:18:16,730
we need the tax revenue and I'll be voting no. Councilwoman cadena I was glad to see that there are three bedroom units in this project.

3416
07:18:23,770 --> 07:18:23,770
that is something rare. I know even my cousins looking for apartments right now and they
Are really hard to find.

3417
07:18:29,570 --> 07:18:29,570
so the fact that this is seven in the southern sector is a great benefit.

3418
07:18:33,650 --> 07:18:37,210
so just want to congratulate my colleague for working on this. Thanks. Council member roth. This one I actually have a different approach on and I would
Support this particular project because it really is

3419
07:18:47,050 --> 07:18:47,050
in an area that really could benefit by this exact type of a development.

3420
07:18:52,770 --> 07:18:52,770
and it's close in, it's close to downtown. It's an area that needs to be developed.

3421
07:18:57,570 --> 07:18:57,570
and this is an appropriate type of a use for these kind of credits.

3422
07:19:02,770 --> 07:19:02,770
and so again, it's not to upset the situation generally,
It's to be specific and to be strategic in trying to figure out where are you

3423
07:19:12,610 --> 07:19:12,610
going to help the community, help the neighborhood improve the situation.

3424
07:19:17,530 --> 07:19:17,530
and again, this one I would I would support again,
I don't like the, the numbers that they show as revenue losses because I don't

3425
07:19:27,520 --> 07:19:27,520
think those are those are. Accurate in terms of the actual amounts that are coming in.

3426
07:19:35,040 --> 07:19:35,040
and I think we need to be careful about how we evaluate these projects on,
On the numbers that aren't really actual losses

3427
07:19:45,040 --> 07:19:45,040
in the future. But in this particular case I would,
I would support the development in this particular area.

3428
07:19:52,520 --> 07:19:52,520
thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson. Thank you mayor.

3429
07:19:57,640 --> 07:19:57,640
I will support it. I don't like 75 year leases,
Period.

3430
07:20:02,280 --> 07:20:02,280
I don't like 75 year contracts without a level of accountability and attached to it
Strategically.

3431
07:20:11,240 --> 07:20:14,560
but I want to congratulate councilman. Councilman. Adam. Bazaldua the work that he's doing in, in his district to get things done on this
Magnitude.

3432
07:20:21,720 --> 07:20:25,280
so congratulations to him. And I will support it in spite of the 75 years. I will support this. Council member moreno. Thank you mayor.

3433
07:20:29,640 --> 07:20:29,640
I'm going to support this one for some of the same reasons that council member ross
Brought up.

3434
07:20:35,000 --> 07:20:35,000
I do believe it's an area that can spur some economic development.

3435
07:20:39,320 --> 07:20:41,680
so I will be supporting this item. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you. I did actually have one question I overlooked,
And I don't know if you're going to answer this, aaron, but it looks like this property is

3436
07:20:49,640 --> 07:20:49,640
both in a tiff and a pyd. Is that right? And if so,
Can you tell me about that interaction?

3437
07:20:54,640 --> 07:20:54,640
and are they paying into those, are they receiving services from the pyd but not paying?

3438
07:20:59,760 --> 07:20:59,760
how does that work? Yes, ma'am. This particular sorry.

3439
07:21:07,720 --> 07:21:07,720
sorry, I thought I heard something else. This particular project will be paying into the
Pyd.

3440
07:21:12,160 --> 07:21:12,160
the developer actually has been highly active in the community.

3441
07:21:16,960 --> 07:21:20,640
he lives in the community, and he is the one who actually set up this pyd. I believe he was. He was part of the committee to put the pit there.

3442
07:21:25,190 --> 07:21:29,030
and so this particular project is very important to him. And and for the vision that I believe council member bazaldua has for this area,
And they're trying to spur a lot of development along this corridor to really use this as

3443
07:21:38,710 --> 07:21:38,710
a catalyst for a new and a bit of a facelift for the neighborhood.

3444
07:21:43,190 --> 07:21:46,110
and so this is something that's important to them. And it's also part of a tiff. It is part of the tiff.

3445
07:21:49,430 --> 07:21:49,430
and is the psc receiving any tiff benefits? No it's not.

3446
07:21:54,070 --> 07:21:54,070
okay. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further comments,
The motion on the floor is to approve this item.

3447
07:22:01,910 --> 07:22:01,910
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Noted.

3448
07:22:06,350 --> 07:22:06,350
mr. Mayor. Motion prevails. Next item. Your next item is agenda item 15.

3449
07:22:13,150 --> 07:22:13,150
item 15. Authorize an amendment to resolution number 26-0510 previously approved on march
25th,

3450
07:22:21,590 --> 07:22:21,590
2026 with inner city community development corporation icdc for the final phase of the
South dallas greater fair park

3451
07:22:31,150 --> 07:22:31,150
community revitalization plan. Spring avenue redevelopment project to construct eight
Single family townhomes for families earning up to

3452
07:22:40,750 --> 07:22:40,750
140% of area median income. To amend the language to section one to authorize the
Execution of a second

3453
07:22:50,030 --> 07:22:50,030
amended and restated conditional loan agreement with a two year term for the date of
Execution of the second amended and restated loan agreement,

3454
07:22:59,590 --> 07:22:59,590
by which date all homes should be constructed and sold.

3455
07:23:03,990 --> 07:23:03,990
this item does have a clarification. Item 15 is clarifying where the clarification is,
Clarifying that the project is reserved for households

3456
07:23:13,670 --> 07:23:13,670
earning at or below 80% of area median income.

3457
07:23:18,950 --> 07:23:18,950
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Motion to approve.

3458
07:23:23,620 --> 07:23:23,620
I heard a motion and a second. Discussion. Councilwoman blackmon.

3459
07:23:27,660 --> 07:23:27,660
yes. Thank you again. This is in mr. Bazaldua district,
And this is an item that's primarily an administrative correction to the resolution

3460
07:23:36,100 --> 07:23:36,100
adopted of march of 2026, as recommended by the attorney's office.

3461
07:23:40,740 --> 07:23:40,740
it helps clarify and strengthen the governing language for the spring avenue redevelopment
Project while maintaining council intent.

3462
07:23:48,100 --> 07:23:48,100
the project continues to support the construction and delivery of eight single family
Homes in the mill city neighborhood under the south dallas fair park community

3463
07:23:56,180 --> 07:23:56,180
revitalization plan. The updated resolution established a clear two year term for
Completion and sale of the homes,

3464
07:24:02,780 --> 07:24:06,100
providing structure and accountability for delivery timelines. I understand the project is currently underway and in the infrastructure and construction
Phase,

3465
07:24:10,860 --> 07:24:13,820
which reflects meaningful progress towards completion. This effort is part of a long standing revitalization strategy that has helped generate an
Estimated 20 million in wealth creation for low to moderate income families through home

3466
07:24:23,860 --> 07:24:23,860
ownership opportunities. This is at a no cost consideration to the city and continues to
Support neighborhood stability and ownership.

3467
07:24:32,060 --> 07:24:32,060
that's a key word ownership in south dallas. I hope you will join me in supporting this.

3468
07:24:36,100 --> 07:24:36,100
thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Yes. Who's available on staff to answer some
Questions?

3469
07:24:43,060 --> 07:24:43,060
thank you. The director of the office of housing and community empowerment. Coming up,
Thor,

3470
07:24:48,860 --> 07:24:48,860
is it correct that 3.1 million was allocated to this project in december 2012?

3471
07:24:57,580 --> 07:24:57,580
that's when this project started. Yes. That money was dedicated to the removal,
Demolition of 50 homes and preparing site

3472
07:25:07,060 --> 07:25:07,060
for future development. The money allocated to it was not related to the townhomes in a
Direct manner.

3473
07:25:15,930 --> 07:25:15,930
the townhomes came about from a resolution in 2023 as condition for finalizing that work
And to see this completion.

3474
07:25:24,210 --> 07:25:27,490
the city has put no money into the direct townhome development. That's all been privately raised for that development.

3475
07:25:31,010 --> 07:25:31,010
so did the city give the land in 2021? It's my understanding that that was part of the the
Deal for the neighborhood revitalization programs.

3476
07:25:42,690 --> 07:25:42,690
well, it sounds from from your write up that they were to build cell at 140% ami.

3477
07:25:51,130 --> 07:25:51,130
they had five year affordability period. And then they would have loan forgiveness.

3478
07:25:55,250 --> 07:25:55,250
is that correct? That's correct. They ran into challenges at the covid era in terms of
Completion.

3479
07:26:02,450 --> 07:26:02,450
this and putting together the full package for construction as they hired a new executive
Director,

3480
07:26:09,330 --> 07:26:09,330
stabilize the organization and work to avoid a default of this contract.

3481
07:26:14,570 --> 07:26:14,570
they have brought forward this project for the contract extension to to finalize the
Project.

3482
07:26:20,610 --> 07:26:20,610
so you're saying that the there is another 300,000 that was given in 2013.

3483
07:26:26,570 --> 07:26:26,570
so the 3.4 million. You're saying all of that was for demo and none of it was for the
Townhomes?

3484
07:26:32,210 --> 07:26:32,210
that's correct. We put no money into the direct townhome development.

3485
07:26:36,330 --> 07:26:39,970
okay. But we gave them the land and told them they had to build it. Yes. Or they agreed to build it. And so what was the time frame in march of 2023 when the
Loan agreement was re

3486
07:26:50,170 --> 07:26:50,170
received? I believe they had until 2024 to construct that.

3487
07:26:57,930 --> 07:26:57,930
so what's happened since 2024? Since 2024, they've worked on a complete redesign and a
Financial package.

3488
07:27:06,570 --> 07:27:06,570
so they were able to secure all of their financing needing to go vertical.

3489
07:27:11,130 --> 07:27:11,130
they've worked with different foundations and banks to put together all of the funding
Needed.

3490
07:27:16,650 --> 07:27:20,210
and they sought this extension for contract with us. And in consideration of the extension for us,
They have agreed to, instead of selling up to 140% ami,

3491
07:27:27,530 --> 07:27:27,530
restrict that to 80% ami home buyers to ensure more alignment with our current policy and
Affordable housing for home buyers.

3492
07:27:37,050 --> 07:27:37,050
okay. Did they fulfill everything for the 3.4 million?

3493
07:27:41,490 --> 07:27:41,490
yes. Okay. And. Have you verified that they have the funding to actually

3494
07:27:51,490 --> 07:27:51,490
build this? Yes. And in what method did you use for that?

3495
07:27:57,290 --> 07:27:57,290
we reviewed all of their financial package. We have met with the additional lenders.

3496
07:28:04,650 --> 07:28:04,650
this is one of the first projects to come out of house debt through the communities
Foundation of texas.

3497
07:28:09,920 --> 07:28:09,920
who was actually the gap financing for the project,
Who also conducted an underwrite with all the other lenders to confirm that they had the

3498
07:28:16,400 --> 07:28:16,400
financing needed for the project. And what's the current projected cost to build each
Unit?

3499
07:28:21,440 --> 07:28:21,440
that's approximately $300,000, and they're 1900ft².

3500
07:28:26,080 --> 07:28:26,080
and what would the sales price be? The sales prices are limited.

3501
07:28:30,560 --> 07:28:30,560
I don't have that one in front of me. James $250,000.

3502
07:28:38,040 --> 07:28:38,040
it was signed to me from behind you. So they're going to build them with expenses of 300
And sell them for 250.

3503
07:28:47,200 --> 07:28:47,200
they're expecting to have some down payment assistance for the buyers to offset the full
Construction cost,

3504
07:28:52,640 --> 07:28:52,640
to be able to make that deal happen. And what happens if they don't meet their deadline?

3505
07:28:58,440 --> 07:28:58,440
at that point, then we will entertain a motion to cure of that contract or move to default
On contract.

3506
07:29:08,200 --> 07:29:08,200
well, since we didn't give them money and we just gave them the land,
Are we going to take it back?

3507
07:29:13,680 --> 07:29:13,680
that would be part of the review of potentially for curing options and default of the
Total contract with this project.

3508
07:29:22,480 --> 07:29:22,480
what other options would there be besides taking the land if that's all we've given them?

3509
07:29:26,840 --> 07:29:26,840
repayment of the previous funds at some level to offset the investment that we've made.

3510
07:29:34,920 --> 07:29:34,920
okay. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion,
The motion on the floor at the moment is to approve this item.

3511
07:29:43,520 --> 07:29:43,520
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Nay.

3512
07:29:48,280 --> 07:29:48,280
I heard one one member voting no motion prevails.

3513
07:29:53,400 --> 07:29:53,400
next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item 16 authorize a one year service price
Agreement to provide city residents with

3514
07:30:03,360 --> 07:30:03,360
access to 24 hour on demand lactation support through the office of housing and community
Empowerment for the period september 1st,

3515
07:30:13,030 --> 07:30:13,030
2026 through august 31st, 2027. Pacify health,
Inc.

3516
07:30:18,750 --> 07:30:18,750
dba pacify sole source. Estimated amount of $174,180.

3517
07:30:26,230 --> 07:30:26,230
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn and deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

3518
07:30:32,390 --> 07:30:32,390
is there a motion? Second, I heard a motion and a second discussion.

3519
07:30:37,790 --> 07:30:37,790
anyone. I'll just say, since we already had discussion,
I don't think it's necessary.

3520
07:30:42,350 --> 07:30:42,350
thank you. Okay. The motion on the floor at the moment is to approve this item.

3521
07:30:46,910 --> 07:30:46,910
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion prevails.

3522
07:30:52,870 --> 07:30:52,870
next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 18.

3523
07:30:57,990 --> 07:30:57,990
item 18 authorize a public hearing to be held on august 12th,
2026, pursuant to chapter 26 of the texas parks and wildlife code

3524
07:31:08,030 --> 07:31:08,030
to receive comments on the proposed use of a portion of park land at joy park,
Located at 1200 stone mesa

3525
07:31:17,590 --> 07:31:17,590
drive, totaling approximately 106,891ft², 2.45 acres of land for one sidewalk easement,

3526
07:31:27,470 --> 07:31:27,470
one water and wastewater easement, one detention area easement,
One detention area access easement,

3527
07:31:34,670 --> 07:31:34,670
one drainage easement and one water easement for the joy,
Joy joy park plat as required by plat.

3528
07:31:43,670 --> 07:31:43,670
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Is there a motion move to approve?

3529
07:31:49,910 --> 07:31:52,990
I heard a motion and a second discussion. Councilmember west. Thank you. This item is to authorize a public hearing to use part of the joey ragusa's
Parkland for easements to provide a utility corridor for the wings future practice

3530
07:32:02,500 --> 07:32:02,500
facility. It will be at no cost to the city now,
Nor for maintenance other than the mowing we already do there.

3531
07:32:09,660 --> 07:32:09,660
joey g park is being platted to accommodate future the future wings facility,
And there's going to be several easements that we're going to need to be facilitating over

3532
07:32:18,420 --> 07:32:18,420
time for this. This item authorizes that the public hearing will be held in august.

3533
07:32:23,780 --> 07:32:26,220
thank you. Council member nguyen. Mendelsohn. Thank you. What is the cost for adding these easements?

3534
07:32:30,700 --> 07:32:30,700
adding this drainage. This is just the.

3535
07:32:46,060 --> 07:32:46,060
good evening ma'am. Your question was what is the cost to record the easements?

3536
07:32:51,060 --> 07:32:51,060
well, what costs are associated with this? Costs associated with authorizing the public
Hearing for the.

3537
07:32:58,820 --> 07:32:58,820
to consider the. To hear public input about the easements.

3538
07:33:03,140 --> 07:33:06,620
I'm assuming that there's drainage issues that you need to address. Point of order. Using this, please state your point of order.

3539
07:33:09,780 --> 07:33:13,060
this is not germane. This is just the authorization of the public hearing. We're not getting into the cost estimates on everything.

3540
07:33:15,900 --> 07:33:19,900
I agree with that. I'm sorry. All right. Go ahead. So I'm not going to be supporting this item because I think this is a terrible location
For this wings practice facility.

3541
07:33:26,380 --> 07:33:29,540
and the total cost of the projects are obscene. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion.

3542
07:33:34,100 --> 07:33:34,100
the motion on the floor. Okay, mr. Ridley. Thank you.

3543
07:33:39,940 --> 07:33:39,940
mayor. So a question, ryan. So why do we have to authorize a public hearing just to create
Easements?

3544
07:33:49,260 --> 07:33:49,260
anytime we have easement, this is a relatively routine thing,
But anytime we have easements in a park,

3545
07:33:54,220 --> 07:33:54,220
it has to go through that chapter 26 process,
Which is the texas code for parks and wildlife,

3546
07:33:59,250 --> 07:33:59,250
which requires the calling of a public hearing and a holding of a public hearing to
Receive any citizen feedback about the easements.

3547
07:34:07,050 --> 07:34:07,050
okay. And then what happens? What does the public hearing trigger?

3548
07:34:13,210 --> 07:34:15,970
it's just a it's just a requirement in the code. The city has to make a finding that there are no reasonable alternatives for the
Easements,

3549
07:34:21,170 --> 07:34:21,170
and you have to hold a public hearing. It's kind of a two part test.

3550
07:34:25,490 --> 07:34:25,490
okay. So after the public hearing, does it come back to council for approval of the
Easements?

3551
07:34:30,490 --> 07:34:33,850
well, it normally would, but in this case this is be done via plat. So it would be considered by cpc and for approval of the plat and platts.

3552
07:34:38,290 --> 07:34:38,290
don't come back to the council. Correct. Okay.

3553
07:34:43,970 --> 07:34:43,970
thank you. I will also be opposed to this item for the reasons stated by council member
Mendelsohn.

3554
07:34:50,770 --> 07:34:50,770
okay. Seeing no further discussion, the motion on the floor is to approve this item.

3555
07:34:56,730 --> 07:34:56,730
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Nay.

3556
07:35:03,050 --> 07:35:05,690
okay. County three. Council member. Roth. Council member. Mendelsohn and council member. Ridley. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor.

3557
07:35:08,330 --> 07:35:11,610
motion prevails. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 32. June item 32.

3558
07:35:17,210 --> 07:35:17,210
authorize acquisition from carmen jimenez of approximately 5000 489,000ft² of land.

3559
07:35:26,170 --> 07:35:26,170
improved with a single family dwelling located near the intersection of mcgowan and nolan
Streets for the cadillac heights phase two project,

3560
07:35:35,450 --> 07:35:35,450
not to exceed $222,669, this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

3561
07:35:42,890 --> 07:35:42,890
is there a motion? Move to deny. I think I heard a motion to approve in the second over
Here first.

3562
07:35:49,170 --> 07:35:51,970
and so obviously we can vote however we want regardless. So the motion on the floor is to approve. Discussion.

3563
07:35:55,480 --> 07:35:55,480
mrs mendelsohn. Thank you. If you'll give me the latitude to talk about this item and the
Next item together.

3564
07:36:01,640 --> 07:36:05,080
they're both cadillac height properties. They're the same thing. And it will save me from talking about the next one.

3565
07:36:08,240 --> 07:36:08,240
yeah, I'm good with that. Thank you. The issue is simply that as we have had presentations
About cadillac heights,

3566
07:36:14,720 --> 07:36:14,720
there's a really neat idea about it, but it's only an idea.

3567
07:36:18,800 --> 07:36:18,800
there's no plan. And the idea that we would be purchasing more land when.

3568
07:36:24,200 --> 07:36:24,200
miss mendelsohn, I'm so sorry to cut you off,
But it might be easier if the city secretary could read the the following item as well.

3569
07:36:30,560 --> 07:36:30,560
and that way we can just go ahead and discuss both.

3570
07:36:35,320 --> 07:36:38,760
but but vote separately. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item 33 authorize an increase in the purchase price from jose francisco velasquez
Cardona and estefania shamara

3571
07:36:48,840 --> 07:36:48,840
deleon mata of approximately 5630 200 zero square feet of land improved with a single
Family,

3572
07:36:56,200 --> 07:36:56,200
single family dwelling located near the intersection of lloyd and nolan streets for the
Cadillac heights phase two project.

3573
07:37:04,080 --> 07:37:04,080
not to exceed $15,326.34, increased from $177,273

3574
07:37:12,440 --> 07:37:12,440
to $192,599.34. This is your item. Okay, we don't need a separate motion.

3575
07:37:20,080 --> 07:37:22,640
we're going to go with the first motion you made. Be able to discuss both items but still need a motion afterward for the second one.

3576
07:37:26,680 --> 07:37:26,680
go ahead ma'am. So, you know, as we've talked about police academies long ago,
The bond proposition was to actually put the police academy here.

3577
07:37:35,240 --> 07:37:35,240
there have been plans, ideas to move the service center in district two over there.

3578
07:37:44,360 --> 07:37:44,360
various different ideas have come up. There's not really a plan though.

3579
07:37:48,800 --> 07:37:48,800
we don't even know what we're doing there. And there's there's sometimes very long
Explanations of the idea people

3580
07:37:58,670 --> 07:37:58,670
have, but there's no plan. And even later in the agenda,
We're going to talk about one of the service centers and adding on to a very

3581
07:38:08,390 --> 07:38:08,390
dilapidated building that maybe that whole thing needs to move,
But we don't have a plan.

3582
07:38:14,070 --> 07:38:14,070
and so if you haven't noticed, every really big problem that we are addressing at city
Hall is because we have no plan,

3583
07:38:23,230 --> 07:38:23,230
we just move into these crazy ideas of, oh, let's get rid of city hall,
But we don't really have a plan.

3584
07:38:28,590 --> 07:38:28,590
oh, let's build the convention center, but we're going to move it and turn it. And we
Didn't ask about this and that and the other thing. And now we have a problem.

3585
07:38:36,430 --> 07:38:39,230
I mean, we don't know how we're going to do the wings. So now we're going to put them out in west dallas. Even point of order downtown.

3586
07:38:42,590 --> 07:38:45,230
I mean, this is very clearly not germane. Sustained. Thank you. The point is there's no plan. And we're going to go ahead and buy even more
Property,

3587
07:38:50,790 --> 07:38:50,790
which we own a lot of already in in this area,
But we don't have a plan and we need to stop and find out what the plan is.

3588
07:38:59,550 --> 07:38:59,550
and then we need to work the plan because that's the way big cities are supposed to work.

3589
07:39:04,190 --> 07:39:04,190
thank you. Councilmember stewart. Thank you. Mayor.

3590
07:39:09,110 --> 07:39:09,110
resendez, could we have someone from staff come up and answer that question?

3591
07:39:14,150 --> 07:39:14,150
what we're thinking of doing with this particular land.

3592
07:39:18,870 --> 07:39:18,870
excuse me. Both. Both pieces of land. So we're talking about items 32 and 33 together.

3593
07:39:25,150 --> 07:39:27,550
yes, ma'am. John johnson, city manager's office. So we're moving forward to complete the voter approved initiative related to a future city
Service or maintenance facility.

3594
07:39:34,350 --> 07:39:34,350
it is not unusual for us to complete the assemblage or purchase all the parcels necessary
In the first phase of a bond funding,

3595
07:39:41,590 --> 07:39:44,110
and then at a later date or a later bond program. We would then actually get the money to construct and develop it.

3596
07:39:48,510 --> 07:39:48,510
so there is a plan? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Always and always have been in place for a long
Time.

3597
07:39:56,470 --> 07:39:56,470
I think it's late, and that's all the questions I can think of at the moment. Thank you so
Much. Council member ridley. Thank you.

3598
07:40:02,430 --> 07:40:02,430
mayor. So what is the cadillac heights phase two project?

3599
07:40:08,910 --> 07:40:12,790
so the phase two and three portions are related to the city service and maintenance
Center. The phase one was related to the park. So the land acquisition for those pieces.

3600
07:40:19,310 --> 07:40:19,310
okay. Has the park been completed? So I would need someone from the parks department to
Assist me on that.

3601
07:40:24,550 --> 07:40:24,550
since it's their initiative, the parcels have been completed.

3602
07:40:28,590 --> 07:40:28,590
yes, sir. But the actual construction of the park. I don't know the status of that. I
Believe it started, but I don't know where it is in its face. So phase two is for a city

3603
07:40:36,670 --> 07:40:36,670
service center, phase two and three, or for a city service or maintenance facility.

3604
07:40:40,910 --> 07:40:40,910
yes, sir. That's what the voters approved. So that will be funded through the 2024 bond.

3605
07:40:46,580 --> 07:40:46,580
the 2020. The 2003 and 2006 bond is where the acquisition money is at.

3606
07:40:51,460 --> 07:40:51,460
yes, sir. Well, you say acquisition money to acquire the land,
Is that right?

3607
07:40:56,900 --> 07:41:00,380
correct. And then is the money coming from to build the facility? Yes, sir. So as I mentioned, it would be in a later bond phase or bond program.

3608
07:41:03,780 --> 07:41:06,260
so there is only the money to assemble finance. Correct. There's only the funding right now that the voters have approved to assemble all
Of the parcels necessary for the site.

3609
07:41:12,020 --> 07:41:12,020
and why is the service and maintenance facility necessary at this location?

3610
07:41:17,060 --> 07:41:20,100
well, that is part of the master plan that was done a long time ago. And then there's also talk that potentially a better or future development of the canton
Service center.

3611
07:41:25,460 --> 07:41:25,460
so this would be needed to completely assemble all of these parcels so that we have the
Land to potentially consider moving some of those operations over.

3612
07:41:33,700 --> 07:41:33,700
so this would replace the canton service center,
If that's the will of the council, the city manager and the voters approve it.

3613
07:41:40,460 --> 07:41:40,460
yes, sir. And we have the money for it. We have the money to purchase the parcels and
Complete the assemblage,

3614
07:41:45,940 --> 07:41:45,940
not the actual development or construction. Those would be in a future phase. Okay.

3615
07:41:50,940 --> 07:41:50,940
thank you, mr. Roth. How many acres or how much land are you trying to accumulate?

3616
07:41:58,580 --> 07:42:02,020
so, ashley, do you know the total acreage? There's 301 parcels total. And if these two items pass today, we'll have 25 remaining.

3617
07:42:05,180 --> 07:42:05,180
but we'll see if we have the total acreage. Good evening,
Ashley eubanks.

3618
07:42:14,380 --> 07:42:14,380
there's a total of 70 acres that make up this cadillac heights area.

3619
07:42:18,660 --> 07:42:22,220
and so as john just mentioned, we have 25 parcels remaining. Total parcels was 300. How much how much acreage.

3620
07:42:27,140 --> 07:42:30,420
70 acres is what you're trying to accumulate. Correct. Well, no, 70 acres makes up the total of cadillac heights.

3621
07:42:36,340 --> 07:42:36,340
how many acres are you trying to accumulate? Not parcels acres.

3622
07:42:42,170 --> 07:42:42,170
excuse me. Hold on one second.

3623
07:42:54,810 --> 07:42:54,810
I apologize. It's broken down in three phases.

3624
07:42:59,770 --> 07:42:59,770
phase one. That made up of 27.5 acres, which we have all acquired.

3625
07:43:06,650 --> 07:43:06,650
phase two was 23.6 acres. There are about seven parcels left in that phase that we need to
Acquire.

3626
07:43:15,450 --> 07:43:19,290
and parcel is about these these are houses. These are little residential. So these are about 5 or 6000ft². You're correct.

3627
07:43:21,850 --> 07:43:21,850
so you got about 35,000. You got another acre that you still have to get.

3628
07:43:26,170 --> 07:43:26,170
and so you're out of 23 acres. You've already got 22 acres.

3629
07:43:30,250 --> 07:43:33,290
so you're only trying to get one more acre. That's correct. So these are the last two acres to get the whole seven,
The whole 50 acres done.

3630
07:43:38,290 --> 07:43:41,970
correct. Okay. Well, that's what I. Why don't we just tell us that? So so we're just. This is the last acre that we're trying to buy.

3631
07:43:46,650 --> 07:43:49,730
correct. We've already bought the other 50 over the phases,
But. Yes. Okay. And then and on these 50 acres that you're buying,
That's what you're going to try to build a,

3632
07:43:56,730 --> 07:43:59,330
a, a, a, a, some kind of a service center at some point. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman. Blackmon.

3633
07:44:02,890 --> 07:44:06,810
thank. Thank you. Okay. So john. Okay. And ashley,
Hold on. Is this the last of the phase two? I'm confused now because I thought you said they had 15
More to go or 12 to go and then.

3634
07:44:15,010 --> 07:44:15,010
no, this is the last two. So I'm kind of confused on what. So there are a total of 25
Parcels that remain to be acquired,

3635
07:44:21,210 --> 07:44:24,970
in which phase they are over, phase two and phase three. Okay. And so this this these two parcels finish out phase two.

3636
07:44:31,130 --> 07:44:31,130
there were a total of seven parcels remaining in phase two.

3637
07:44:35,290 --> 07:44:37,960
and then the remaining ones are in phase three. Phase three. Okay. Thank you. Okay. And then in miss mendelsohn.

3638
07:44:41,920 --> 07:44:41,920
right. I remember that bond, but it was part of a trinity river discussion.

3639
07:44:46,680 --> 07:44:46,680
is this still in the floodplain? Is this area?

3640
07:44:51,280 --> 07:44:54,800
I know some of cadillac heights was in the floodplain. If dallas water utilities is here to help us with that,
We would have to look that up for you to see. We don't have that information off the top

3641
07:45:00,240 --> 07:45:00,240
of our head there. Sarah.

3642
07:45:11,520 --> 07:45:14,160
good evening. I am sarah standifer, dallas water utilities. I could share this specific map lines, but in the original planning of the entire area,
There were two pieces.

3643
07:45:20,120 --> 07:45:20,120
just to make sure we're clear, there was a proposition related to floodway,
Which included the cadillac heights levee project.

3644
07:45:27,880 --> 07:45:27,880
so we're out acquiring those then. This is a separate bond proposition in two years.

3645
07:45:33,400 --> 07:45:36,560
so just to make sure you're clear on those two pieces. As we have implemented about $150 million of the chain of wetlands associated with that
Dallas floodway extension,

3646
07:45:44,120 --> 07:45:44,120
it has reduced the amount of floodplain and cadillac heights,
But there is still floodplain existing within cadillac heights.

3647
07:45:50,360 --> 07:45:52,600
and so some of these parcels are in the floodplain. Some are not right now. It has shrunk. But we can get you the exact today,
Right.

3648
07:45:57,720 --> 07:46:01,080
so it's not as big as it was in 1998, but it is still there. And it still requires the levies. And there are parcels that are still at risk for
Flooding.

3649
07:46:05,280 --> 07:46:05,280
okay. Thank you. You cleared up a lot because I think I was getting them all confused with
That bond with the trinity and then all that discussion.

3650
07:46:12,800 --> 07:46:12,800
thank you. That was it. Thank you. Council member ridley. Following up on those questions,

3651
07:46:18,720 --> 07:46:18,720
sarah. So if cadillac heights is still subject to being in the floodplain,
Why are we thinking of.

3652
07:46:28,480 --> 07:46:28,480
why are we acquiring this property in order to develop a city service center there.

3653
07:46:34,590 --> 07:46:34,590
so historically, this was all talked about in a larger context.

3654
07:46:40,150 --> 07:46:40,150
right. So there were residential properties that were part of this.

3655
07:46:44,230 --> 07:46:44,230
these two sections of bond programs that we're talking about,
Those homes rested somewhere in a 6 to 10 foot flood when the river came out of bank.

3656
07:46:52,070 --> 07:46:54,870
at the time, everybody knew that there would be a funded levee. In the future, when the levee comes into play,
There would be no floodplain.

3657
07:46:59,110 --> 07:46:59,110
as you move forward with that, it was an acquisition strategy as,
As they mentioned, there was a master plan,

3658
07:47:04,710 --> 07:47:04,710
I believe that was the 2002 good. Fulton and farrell one right around that time frame that
Outlined various service centers and went through sort of what might happen.

3659
07:47:13,830 --> 07:47:13,830
and so as we keep moving forward as they mentioned,
This is acquisition money, there would be a future allocation and it would hopefully align

3660
07:47:21,830 --> 07:47:21,830
with the time in which the levee was in place. Otherwise,
You would fill a fill permit for any areas that might still be in the floodplain. So it

3661
07:47:28,550 --> 07:47:28,550
could be built on if it's filled to lifted out of the floodplain.

3662
07:47:33,910 --> 07:47:33,910
yes, sir. The city would follow the same process that we do on other public and private
Properties.

3663
07:47:38,350 --> 07:47:38,350
if it was in the fill in the floodplain. And is there construction contemplated to extend
The levees in this area?

3664
07:47:46,310 --> 07:47:46,310
yes, sir. Part of that dallas floodway extension that was part of the 2018 bipartisan
Budget act allocated about $135 million to build out the dallas

3665
07:47:56,230 --> 07:47:56,230
extension levees, both the cadillac heights and lamar. So it will wrap around go under
Cedar crest at that location,

3666
07:48:02,390 --> 07:48:02,390
tie into the central wastewater treatment plant. Then it ties on the backside. So this
Area becomes fully protected by that levee.

3667
07:48:08,350 --> 07:48:11,270
okay. So that by itself would take it out of the floodplain. Yes, sir. Okay, okay. Seeing no further discussion,
The motion on the floor at the moment is to approve item 32.

3668
07:48:20,910 --> 07:48:23,870
all those in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Nay, no. I noted two voting and voting no. Council member.

3669
07:48:29,940 --> 07:48:33,540
mendelsohn. Council member roth. Motion prevails. Now we are on item 33. The item has already been read into the record.

3670
07:48:38,180 --> 07:48:38,180
city secretary, I'm not sure if you need to read it again. No,
Mr. Mayor. Okay. So is there a motion?

3671
07:48:44,380 --> 07:48:47,540
I heard a motion in the second on item 33. Any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor, say aye. Aye.

3672
07:48:51,060 --> 07:48:51,060
any opposed? Nay. I noted two voting no. Councilmember roth council member mendelsohn.

3673
07:48:56,580 --> 07:48:58,820
motion prevails. Next item please. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 37. Agenda item 37.

3674
07:49:05,980 --> 07:49:05,980
authorize the use of the existing asbestos abatement and demolition services contract to
Abate and demolish a city owned property.

3675
07:49:14,460 --> 07:49:18,420
improved with commercial structures and supporting facilities. Located at 3023 and 3049 morrell avenue near its intersection with sargeant road for the
Dallas floodway extension

3676
07:49:28,340 --> 07:49:28,340
project. This item was pulled by council member mendelsohn parliamentary inquiry to state
Your inquiry.

3677
07:49:34,380 --> 07:49:34,380
I actually pulled it to ask this parliamentary question which I have already been talking
To the city attorney's office about.

3678
07:49:42,180 --> 07:49:42,180
I don't believe this item is properly noticed,
Because there's no financial information for the public or for us to even know how much is

3679
07:49:50,300 --> 07:49:50,300
being spent. The item gives enough

3680
07:50:00,180 --> 07:50:04,140
information to be noticed. It does say see the fiscal information. And if you look at the fiscal information and the eyes,
It does.

3681
07:50:07,700 --> 07:50:07,700
and I would defer to staff on this, but it does discuss that it was already encumbered.

3682
07:50:12,180 --> 07:50:15,820
the amount. The funds were already encumbered in a previous. So as I have pointed out, there's no dollar amount in there,
And it doesn't even note the dollar amount of the contract.

3683
07:50:22,820 --> 07:50:22,820
so therefore, we could be voting on something that costs $1 or something that costs $1
Million,

3684
07:50:28,090 --> 07:50:31,490
and we don't even know, and neither does the public. And when we approve that, it was an authorization to utilize the contract with a schedule
Of services,

3685
07:50:40,490 --> 07:50:40,490
but we don't know how many of the services were even asking in this process,
Because it's not like demolition of any building cost

3686
07:50:50,250 --> 07:50:50,250
$100. It varies by square footage and all those different things.

3687
07:50:55,330 --> 07:50:55,330
plus, I don't know that the public would even have access to that schedule.

3688
07:50:59,410 --> 07:51:02,250
so I don't think that this is properly noticed. And even if it is, I'm going to say this is very bad form for us and for any kind of
Actual transparency on government.

3689
07:51:14,490 --> 07:51:14,490
okay. Given the advice from the city attorney's office,
The item has been noticed correctly.

3690
07:51:19,930 --> 07:51:19,930
and so is there a motion on the item? I heard a motion in a second.

3691
07:51:27,330 --> 07:51:27,330
miss mendelsohn discussion. My discussion is not actually about the item itself.

3692
07:51:32,450 --> 07:51:32,450
it's just as I was reading it. And this is a very surprising thing to find for such a
Sophisticated

3693
07:51:42,730 --> 07:51:42,730
city like dallas that we would not be sharing actual information.

3694
07:51:48,250 --> 07:51:48,250
when I asked the department about it, they said,
Well, we're waiting to get an estimate on what it's going to actually cost.

3695
07:51:55,490 --> 07:51:59,410
they don't even know you're literally signing a blank check here. And I guess it could be all the way up to the total amount of dollars remaining in the
Contract.

3696
07:52:04,650 --> 07:52:04,650
do we know how many dollars that is? I don't care who answers it.

3697
07:52:14,770 --> 07:52:14,770
the city manager.

3698
07:52:26,680 --> 07:52:26,680
councilman mendelsohn. We will get that question answered for you. I do believe that this
Contract rests within the code compliance department.

3699
07:52:34,480 --> 07:52:37,840
I'm looking over to the left. Can you all see if our city manager. I'm going to do a point of order on this. I actually appreciate the spirit of the
Question.

3700
07:52:43,120 --> 07:52:43,120
I just don't think it's an order. I mean, we're talking about using the existing abatement
And demolition contract to continue.

3701
07:52:52,880 --> 07:52:55,800
I mean, it's extension of the contract period. I don't understand how asking the price is not an order for an item you're asking us to
Approve because there's no cost consideration to the city.

3702
07:53:03,880 --> 07:53:07,800
that's why, of course, there's the cost. Someone's going to get a check. There's not. So I'll go ahead and just make a ruling.

3703
07:53:10,080 --> 07:53:12,960
I think it's relevant. We can try to find out what the cost is. Okay. Do you want to hold this item? Well, I think I think the question I want to make
Sure I understand the question because we're trying to get an actual price.

3704
07:53:22,800 --> 07:53:26,560
the question I thought is how much is left on the existing contract? So that's the answer that I'm trying to seek at this time.

3705
07:53:30,800 --> 07:53:30,800
and the reason I'm asking that question is because if there's $100,000 left,
Then I know we're voting on an item that's $100,000 or less.

3706
07:53:39,920 --> 07:53:39,920
if there's $1 million left on the contract, we could be voting on $1 million item and
Nobody even knows it.

3707
07:53:46,360 --> 07:53:46,360
I mean. So I believe we have someone walking up trying to get you an answer.

3708
07:54:01,440 --> 07:54:04,280
good evening, assistant city manager, I apologize. What was the question? I'm sorry, I didn't hear the answer.

3709
07:54:09,120 --> 07:54:09,120
what was the question? I apologize, councilmember,
Do you mind repeating the question? Mr.

3710
07:54:13,560 --> 07:54:15,920
mayor, if you'll give us just a minute, let me check. Talk directly to my team to get the answer. Absolutely.

3711
07:54:19,120 --> 07:54:19,120
thank you.

3712
07:54:39,240 --> 07:54:39,240
so I will say that some of my colleagues have asked this question,
And you have heard this answer from staff many times.

3713
07:54:46,640 --> 07:54:46,640
we authorized the use of a we authorize a contract,
But they tell us, oh, we might not actually spend it.

3714
07:54:52,840 --> 07:54:52,840
all right. We're going to get $1 million for brush removal,
But we might not need it if there's no big storms.

3715
07:55:00,840 --> 07:55:00,840
but does that mean that you don't ever want to know that we're going to spend half $1
Million on brush removal at ti?

3716
07:55:09,920 --> 07:55:13,400
I mean, we should still know how the dollars are being spent. That's our job. And so in this case, there was a contract that we approved for demolition.

3717
07:55:19,310 --> 07:55:23,270
that's great. But we have no idea how much is going to be spent here. And frankly, neither does the public. And I do not think that is the kind of transparent
Government that we say we are.

3718
07:55:32,870 --> 07:55:32,870
and I also don't think it's legal, by the way.

3719
07:55:38,190 --> 07:55:38,190
while we wait on a response. Can we go ahead and move on to mr. Roth? But we we see you
Have three minutes and 17 seconds,

3720
07:55:44,070 --> 07:55:44,070
mr. Roth. Thank you. I really appreciate council member.

3721
07:55:49,070 --> 07:55:49,070
mendelsohn. Focus on the the wording on this particular deal.

3722
07:55:54,190 --> 07:55:54,190
I also note that besides the fact that it doesn't have an amount,
It doesn't also refer to the name of the vendor that we're even using now.

3723
07:56:02,630 --> 07:56:02,630
maybe that's in the details of the fiscal information,
But we don't know the amount or the guy who's doing the work.

3724
07:56:09,310 --> 07:56:09,310
so I think, I think we need to, to push this back and have it,
Have it be brought back to this group when we've got the information properly,

3725
07:56:17,790 --> 07:56:17,790
unless there's some critical reason that it has to be done immediately.

3726
07:56:21,990 --> 07:56:21,990
okay. I think we have staff is ready to answer miss mendelson's question and we can put
Her time back up.

3727
07:56:27,150 --> 07:56:30,190
I believe it was 317. And I do apologize for that. There's a couple of, I think, miss pieces of this that we want to make sure that we
Explain there is a existing contract that was already approved by the city council.

3728
07:56:38,790 --> 07:56:41,870
there is maximum amounts based on square footage. So we're going to answer that question. And then we're going to tell you how much is left
On the contract. There is 2.3 million left on the

3729
07:56:51,590 --> 07:56:51,590
contract. The council already awarded the contract.

3730
07:56:55,990 --> 07:56:59,910
and so this item is allowing us to use up to. And it was a not to exceed. It wasn't an I'd I.

3731
07:57:02,070 --> 07:57:02,070
q so up to that amount we do have as part of the contract a rate sheet.

3732
07:57:08,430 --> 07:57:08,430
and so what we will do is once she has authority to go and actually do the the demolition.

3733
07:57:16,500 --> 07:57:19,380
then she will get a quote from the vendor for that specific amount. And I think you have an estimate. So the current estimate,
Based on what we believe is out there,

3734
07:57:26,980 --> 07:57:26,980
is around $1 million on the rate sheet. However,
Until we actually get the contractor out there and we're kind of following the

3735
07:57:32,660 --> 07:57:32,660
supplemental agreement that was done in march that you all put in place,
Said that any city owned property that utilized that contract had to come request your

3736
07:57:39,980 --> 07:57:39,980
permission before any demolition activity. So this is the step that was to come to you to
Ask to demolish what is technically city owned property.

3737
07:57:49,180 --> 07:57:49,180
however, it was property acquired for a capital project that does not house city
Employees.

3738
07:57:54,140 --> 07:57:54,140
and so this is that step. And then we would use the existing capital budgets that include
Authorizations and abilities to demolish and use those funds,

3739
07:58:03,180 --> 07:58:03,180
assuming that there isn't an issue with the price. And it is different once we get the
Quote. And that's kind of consistent with the master agreement. So I'm just going to say I

3740
07:58:12,460 --> 07:58:12,460
asked these questions in advance. This is not today is not the first day you're hearing
About this.

3741
07:58:17,540 --> 07:58:17,540
and I find this very problematic. I find it problematic that there wasn't even the
Estimate of the million dollars,

3742
07:58:25,140 --> 07:58:28,140
which I told you I thought it should have been listed. And even if it's an estimate, you know, based on what you know about the contract with
Square footage and based on what,

3743
07:58:34,860 --> 07:58:34,860
you know, the price sheet that we should have a sense and the public should have a sense
That $1 million is being spent here.

3744
07:58:42,540 --> 07:58:42,540
because I'm telling you, there's no way to have known that unless you made the call.

3745
07:58:47,180 --> 07:58:47,180
and, you know, average person who's looking for an agenda couldn't know it.

3746
07:58:52,180 --> 07:58:55,740
and that is why I don't believe it is posted properly. I don't think it satisfies toma because how could the public know we were going to spend
$1 million?

3747
07:59:01,140 --> 07:59:04,300
so I don't have a problem with the issue with the item. I have a problem that when I read it, I couldn't.

3748
07:59:06,700 --> 07:59:06,700
I couldn't see what it was. And I looked at everything provided and I went back to the
Contract,

3749
07:59:12,610 --> 07:59:12,610
which is where I found the schedule. But how many people are going to do that?

3750
07:59:16,730 --> 07:59:16,730
I mean, it takes a special kind of nerd. So thanks,
Paul.

3751
07:59:26,770 --> 07:59:26,770
okay, so that is my problem. I do not have a problem with spending a million to do this.

3752
07:59:31,810 --> 07:59:35,130
it's really about the posting. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion, the motion on the floor at the moment is to approve item 37.

3753
07:59:41,250 --> 07:59:41,250
all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed?

3754
07:59:46,210 --> 07:59:49,810
motion prevails. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Your next item is agenda item 54. Item 54 is an ordinance amending ordinance number

3755
07:59:58,810 --> 07:59:58,810
33230 previously approved on september 17th,
2025.

3756
08:00:05,050 --> 08:00:05,050
authorizing one. Certain transfers and appropriation adjustments for fiscal year 2526 for
The maintenance and operation of various departments

3757
08:00:14,850 --> 08:00:14,850
and activities, and to the city manager to implement those adjustments not to exceed
$5,825,626,725.

3758
08:00:27,770 --> 08:00:31,450
this item was pulled by councilmember mendelsohn mendelsohn. Is there a motion? I move to approve this item with the following change.

3759
08:00:36,050 --> 08:00:36,050
reallocate savings from non-departmental to support texas municipal league fiscal year
2025 to 26.

3760
08:00:42,450 --> 08:00:42,450
prorated membership dues in the amount of $27,329.

3761
08:00:49,050 --> 08:00:49,050
there's a motion and a second discussion. Council member west.

3762
08:00:53,610 --> 08:00:53,610
I think we've talked about this previously at council,
So no.

3763
08:00:57,650 --> 08:00:57,650
councilwoman. Blackmon. Yes. I'm noticing that there is a addition using the opioid
Abatement funds.

3764
08:01:06,840 --> 08:01:06,840
I don't know if chief ball is in to. I'm just curious on what we're going to be using that
For.

3765
08:01:14,200 --> 08:01:14,200
chief ball is actually here. Let me just make sure that he heard the question.

3766
08:01:19,280 --> 08:01:19,280
I gave him a heads up. Thank you. I didn't pull it.

3767
08:01:29,280 --> 08:01:29,280
I mean, you can get it with me offline, but I'm just curious because I know we've talked
About a lot of stuff,

3768
08:01:33,840 --> 08:01:33,840
and I'm good evening everyone. Chief paul dallas fire rescue.

3769
08:01:39,120 --> 08:01:39,120
what was the question? Under dallas fire and rescue,
The texas opioid abatement trust fund for $500,000,

3770
08:01:45,840 --> 08:01:45,840
which program are we going to be allotting that to our opioid program?

3771
08:01:50,000 --> 08:01:50,000
the one that's in programs. So which one? The one where we go to the residences.

3772
08:01:58,280 --> 08:01:58,280
the one you're involved in? Yes. Okay. That's the one we're trying to expand it.

3773
08:02:02,480 --> 08:02:05,280
okay, I'm just confirming that. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you.

3774
08:02:10,120 --> 08:02:14,040
I would like to correct the record that I did not pull this particular item. So while I did pull almost every other item,
I did not pull this one.

3775
08:02:18,200 --> 08:02:20,200
and actually I did pull it, but I had put it back. So I just want to say that the budget amendment itself as a whole,
I was going to support what I'm having a hard time with is this amendment

3776
08:02:30,160 --> 08:02:30,160
to add texas municipal league back in for $27,000.

3777
08:02:34,240 --> 08:02:34,240
we had this discussion at budget time and not only did we vote to remove it,
I think it was a unanimous decision.

3778
08:02:42,920 --> 08:02:42,920
and what's happened is we've actually gotten a lot of traction in austin that we have
Removed ourselves as a member.

3779
08:02:49,440 --> 08:02:49,440
it's a very controversial membership to the elected officials.

3780
08:02:54,800 --> 08:02:54,800
they do not prefer to be lobbied by tml and when they see that not only did we get

3781
08:03:04,590 --> 08:03:04,590
rid of taxpayer funded lobbying, but we also ended our membership at tmla lot of doors
Open up.

3782
08:03:12,190 --> 08:03:16,110
have had multiple state reps not in our area. Say, I will give you my cell phone and you can call me directly because I don't want to
Hear from tml,

3783
08:03:21,710 --> 08:03:21,710
but I will talk to you. And part of that door being open is because we are not a member.

3784
08:03:27,870 --> 08:03:27,870
so why would we spend 27,000 plus dollars to join?

3785
08:03:33,590 --> 08:03:33,590
first of all, a group that literally lobbied against us,
Against us, we.

3786
08:03:40,390 --> 08:03:40,390
a normal membership, I believe, is over 6000 a year and anybody can attend their
Conferences.

3787
08:03:47,830 --> 08:03:47,830
we pay a little bit of a premium to not be a member and attend,
But it's available.

3788
08:03:52,150 --> 08:03:52,150
but not very many people have been going. So my understanding is that the interest in the
Council amendment is because we have a council

3789
08:04:01,990 --> 08:04:01,990
member who's on another board, and without being a member of this one,
There's a problem with serving on that one.

3790
08:04:08,390 --> 08:04:08,390
I'm not willing to spend $27,000 of taxpayer dollars so that somebody can have it on his
Resume.

3791
08:04:16,230 --> 08:04:16,230
I mean, that's not what we're here for. We're not here for resume building.

3792
08:04:20,550 --> 08:04:20,550
we're here to serve our residents. And this is not just what I'm going to say wasted
Dollars.

3793
08:04:28,070 --> 08:04:28,070
it's actually going to harm us. So I'm not in support of this.

3794
08:04:32,510 --> 08:04:32,510
and you know, please find other interests. Thank you,
Council member ridley.

3795
08:04:39,430 --> 08:04:39,430
so I'm curious where the 27,000 is coming from in the reallocation of funding.

3796
08:04:44,830 --> 08:04:44,830
can anyone answer that? Council member lee, thank you so much for the question.

3797
08:04:51,550 --> 08:04:51,550
I thought that I heard in the motion from councilmember west that he wanted that funding
To come from non-departmental,

3798
08:04:57,980 --> 08:04:57,980
but I'll ask him to affirm what I thought I heard.

3799
08:05:02,220 --> 08:05:02,220
okay. What does that mean, non-departmental? I mean,
It's coming out of somebody's pocket.

3800
08:05:08,540 --> 08:05:08,540
so the non-departmental budget for fiscal year 26 is about $130,000 or $130 million.

3801
08:05:15,740 --> 08:05:15,740
sorry it's late. And we have savings in our tiff line items.

3802
08:05:22,100 --> 08:05:22,100
so it's just a reallocation from tiff to this particular line item to pay the membership.

3803
08:05:27,220 --> 08:05:27,220
so if we don't use it for tml dues, what would the money be used for a year end savings?

3804
08:05:33,420 --> 08:05:33,420
if you recall, fiscal year 26 is projected to be over budget.

3805
08:05:37,580 --> 08:05:37,580
so any savings that we realize in line items,
They offset overages and other line items.

3806
08:05:43,660 --> 08:05:43,660
okay. Well, I would be in favor of utilizing that money to meet our deficit.

3807
08:05:52,140 --> 08:05:52,140
council member west. Yeah. Thank you. I just wanted to give our director of our government
Affairs office an opportunity to explain why this item was brought to the finance

3808
08:06:01,580 --> 08:06:01,580
committee and just address that if he's here.

3809
08:06:15,260 --> 08:06:19,220
sorry. Good evening. Eric dominguez, director of office of government affairs. And so yes, the item is being considered. Specifically to address also the city of dallas ability to
Be a part of a national league of cities member.

3810
08:06:29,420 --> 08:06:29,420
in order to be on the national league of cities,
One does have to be a part of the texas municipal league through being a municipality in

3811
08:06:38,060 --> 08:06:38,060
the state of texas. Okay. Is there any reason why we would not want to be a member of nlc?

3812
08:06:45,340 --> 08:06:45,340
is there any detriment to not being a member of national league of cities?

3813
08:06:50,860 --> 08:06:50,860
I would always say that being a member does have its advantages of being part of an
Advocacy coalition.

3814
08:06:57,730 --> 08:06:57,730
I have been assured by t ml that with the city of dallas opportunity to become a member,
We would immediately be a member in good standing and have that ability to

3815
08:07:07,410 --> 08:07:07,410
engage in that capacity. Can you tell me who brought this item up originally,
Because this was recommended or asked to be on the finance committee?

3816
08:07:17,010 --> 08:07:17,010
was this from another council member? Was this from your office? Where did this come from?
I deferred to the budget office.

3817
08:07:24,370 --> 08:07:24,370
mr. Jack ireland, who I worked in collaboration with.

3818
08:07:33,210 --> 08:07:33,210
honestly, I don't recall where, if it came from you as chair or from another council
Member or from staff.

3819
08:07:39,610 --> 08:07:43,490
I apologize, I don't remember. Okay. Thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Yes, eric. Could you clarify,
Is it that we are not able to be a member of nlc.

3820
08:07:51,530 --> 08:07:51,530
if we're not a member of tml, or is it that we can't have a member on the board of nlc if
We're not a member of tml?

3821
08:07:58,890 --> 08:07:58,890
thank you for the opportunity to clarify. We cannot be a member and of a board,
So a board member would have to be.

3822
08:08:05,330 --> 08:08:05,330
yeah, I think that nlc accepted our dues when we sent them,
And we retain that membership because we do have a more active participation in that

3823
08:08:14,130 --> 08:08:14,130
organization, including our dc lobby days, which I think are very valuable.

3824
08:08:21,610 --> 08:08:21,610
but what you're really asking, if I can just frame it a little differently is please spend
27,000 this year,

3825
08:08:29,770 --> 08:08:29,770
plus the 60,000 that's coming in the next budget so that one council member can be on the
Board of nlc.

3826
08:08:36,850 --> 08:08:36,850
and so what benefit are we getting as dallas to have someone on that board?

3827
08:08:44,170 --> 08:08:44,170
what does our taxpayer getting. It's really. And this is just speaking previously.

3828
08:08:49,970 --> 08:08:49,970
the tml is has having that ability to have access of part of the legislative advocacy
Committee.

3829
08:08:57,970 --> 08:08:57,970
I really look into engaging those opportunities such as tml or any other organization
About where we are on particular pieces of legislation or moving particular issues.

3830
08:09:08,010 --> 08:09:08,010
I certainly defer well, having participated in two of the tml legislative advocacy
Conferences.

3831
08:09:16,410 --> 08:09:16,410
so we do not have a matching legislative program with tml so heavily rural.

3832
08:09:24,290 --> 08:09:24,290
so I just wanted to jump in because I don't want this to be that this is what staff is
Pushing council to do.

3833
08:09:31,050 --> 08:09:31,050
this is a policy decision. Either council wants to have a board member who participates in
National league of cities or not.

3834
08:09:37,250 --> 08:09:39,690
and that's really a decision that you all can make. And if you say that you do not want that, then we go back and we will take the appropriate
Action to make sure that we inform the national league of cities of that decision.

3835
08:09:48,600 --> 08:09:51,680
but this is really a policy decision for the council. You either want to have that or you don't, but it's not that staff is trying to tell you
To do anything other than give us direction.

3836
08:09:58,320 --> 08:09:58,320
we were asked about what it would take in order to maintain good standing on the national
League of cities board,

3837
08:10:04,680 --> 08:10:04,680
because you do have a council member that I do believe has been supported by this body to
Participate in that organization at the board level.

3838
08:10:12,600 --> 08:10:12,600
once we heard that, that could not happen without the texas municipal league membership,
Then we're bringing that to the council.

3839
08:10:19,160 --> 08:10:19,160
but this is a policy decision, and you all give us direction on what you would like to do
About this item.

3840
08:10:24,440 --> 08:10:24,440
well thank you. Then I'll just say as my final comment that when the council member asked
For support to be on the nlc board.

3841
08:10:34,640 --> 08:10:34,640
absolutely. It's great to have somebody on that board as a member,
But at the cost of having to join tml,

3842
08:10:43,080 --> 08:10:46,680
it's not it's not a good use of taxpayer dollars. And you've already weighed in on this. You already know tml is not the right thing because
You all unanimously voted not to join.

3843
08:10:54,720 --> 08:10:54,720
so really, what you're doing is gifting one person membership in an organization by paying
For this.

3844
08:11:00,800 --> 08:11:00,800
and it's not just the $27,000 for this year,
Because that's only taking you through, I think,

3845
08:11:06,080 --> 08:11:06,080
november 1st in the write up. November 1st is the beginning of the next fiscal year.

3846
08:11:12,000 --> 08:11:12,000
so that means in the next budget, you're going to then allocate another 60,000.

3847
08:11:16,040 --> 08:11:16,040
and then we have another year after that. So this is not just $27,000.

3848
08:11:22,720 --> 08:11:22,720
but by the way, I believe you said today 34 million is your budget hole.

3849
08:11:28,000 --> 08:11:28,000
is that right? City manager. Very close, very close.

3850
08:11:33,640 --> 08:11:33,640
okay. Well, this is how you cut down. I think you have not allowed your staff to travel.

3851
08:11:40,680 --> 08:11:40,680
we're all cutting back on things and it would really be shocking to me if we're going to
Approve this.

3852
08:11:46,310 --> 08:11:46,310
thank you. Council member willis. Thank you. If mr.

3853
08:11:50,910 --> 08:11:50,910
dominguez could come back. So nlc also has advocacy committees.

3854
08:11:59,830 --> 08:11:59,830
I serve on the fair committee, finance administration and intergovernmental relations.

3855
08:12:04,470 --> 08:12:04,470
I think we're supposed to be members of tml to for me to serve on that as well.

3856
08:12:10,070 --> 08:12:10,070
but they have not as yet kicked me off. And let me come to the the meetings and the calls.

3857
08:12:14,950 --> 08:12:14,950
so I don't know what the rule is around that,
But I would encourage others to participate.

3858
08:12:18,990 --> 08:12:18,990
I mean, we're the ninth largest city in america,
And I can tell you some of what they've worked on advocacy wise.

3859
08:12:23,710 --> 08:12:23,710
and this is nlc is like keeping our municipal bonds tax exempt.

3860
08:12:28,030 --> 08:12:31,830
can you imagine what that would do to us if they weren't? And then also they're doing a lot of preparation work around the census,
Which is very important that we make sure everyone is counted because it hurts us if they

3861
08:12:40,350 --> 08:12:40,350
aren't. And so when I look at tml, I also wonder about new legislators.

3862
08:12:46,710 --> 08:12:46,710
I mean, would you say in your experience or what your thoughts are,
Is that there is just this blanket disdain and disregard for the texas municipal league,

3863
08:12:54,710 --> 08:12:54,710
or maybe new legislators might might find them helpful in their advocacy work.

3864
08:13:02,510 --> 08:13:06,230
and I know sometimes they've been at odds with where we are. So I just would like to learn more about that or hear more from you about that.

3865
08:13:10,430 --> 08:13:14,350
now that you've been in the role for a little bit longer. Yes. So thank you for the question. I have reached out to the city of dallas legislative
Delegation chair on this issue.

3866
08:13:23,310 --> 08:13:23,310
and so, you know, I'll, I'll in confidence what is shared is that they certainly have had
A record of working and,

3867
08:13:31,750 --> 08:13:31,750
and hearing concerns that are brought before the city of dallas before tml and that those
Issues are addressed,

3868
08:13:37,910 --> 08:13:41,700
of course, with lawmakers sharing things inside the rail,
If you will. There are those relationships that are either hindered or strengthened.

3869
08:13:45,860 --> 08:13:45,860
and so certainly t ml has obviously, having the privilege and honor to work for the city
Of dallas.

3870
08:13:51,740 --> 08:13:51,740
that is something that I certainly will make sure to weigh in on seeing them firsthand.

3871
08:13:56,100 --> 08:13:56,100
okay. Well, you referred to it as a tool in the toolbox and we're going into the next
Legislative session.

3872
08:14:01,420 --> 08:14:01,420
and so, you know, with those that it's meaningful to,
Maybe you lead with that, with those that it's not,

3873
08:14:07,340 --> 08:14:07,340
maybe you never even mention it. So I don't know if they're going to be checking our
Cards,

3874
08:14:11,820 --> 08:14:11,820
you know, to see if we're in t ml. I'm just,
You know, I'm kind of going either way, but it seems like,

3875
08:14:18,860 --> 08:14:18,860
you know, we're a large city in this state and maybe we find a way to bend them to our
Will more in some ways.

3876
08:14:27,340 --> 08:14:27,340
and so I think we should consider this, I don't know that just withdrawing from this and
Just letting the opinions of some dictate what we

3877
08:14:37,260 --> 08:14:37,260
decide to do where there could be some value maybe with more people.

3878
08:14:43,780 --> 08:14:43,780
so I'd love to hear from my colleagues on that.

3879
08:14:50,940 --> 08:14:50,940
seeing no further discussion, the no, go ahead,
Miss mendelsohn move to amend the motion to remove the t ml item from

3880
08:15:01,460 --> 08:15:05,100
the budget amendment. Second, there's a motion and a second discussion. Miss mendelsohn, I think we've already discussed it.

3881
08:15:11,340 --> 08:15:11,340
seeing no further discussion, the motion is to amend the original motion and remove t ml.

3882
08:15:20,420 --> 08:15:20,420
all those in favor, say aye. All those opposed.

3883
08:15:25,780 --> 08:15:25,780
might need a record vote on that one. Thank you,
Mr.

3884
08:15:32,100 --> 08:15:35,730
mayor. When I call your name please state yes if you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west. Council member moreno.

3885
08:15:41,210 --> 08:15:41,210
no. Council member gracey. No. Council member cadena council member bazaldua is absent
When vote taken.

3886
08:15:50,330 --> 08:15:54,010
council member. Blair. Council member. Blackmon. No. Council member. Stewart. No. Council member.

3887
08:15:57,610 --> 08:15:57,610
roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member willis.

3888
08:16:02,250 --> 08:16:02,250
no. Council member ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor.

3889
08:16:06,770 --> 08:16:06,770
pro tem johnson. No. Mayor pro tem resendez. No.

3890
08:16:11,130 --> 08:16:11,130
mayor johnson is absent when vote taken.

3891
08:16:23,690 --> 08:16:27,130
with three voting in favor, ten opposed to absent. Vote taken. The motion fails, mr. Mayor. Okay,
So we're back on the original motion as made by council member west.

3892
08:16:33,850 --> 08:16:33,850
any further discussion on that motion? Yes, I see miss mendelsohn up first.

3893
08:16:40,810 --> 08:16:40,810
well, I'll just say this city manager, I have no idea how you're going to balance this
Budget when you can't even get very common sense items put forward on this

3894
08:16:50,410 --> 08:16:50,410
council. I really don't know how you're going to do it. And I hope that you will work with
Each council member's office so that they can understand what you're actually facing

3895
08:17:00,330 --> 08:17:00,330
and the fiscal discipline that's needed to bring our budget under control.

3896
08:17:05,730 --> 08:17:09,290
thank you. Councilwoman. Blackmon. Thank you. Eric, are you still here or am I? I want to go with them.

3897
08:17:18,010 --> 08:17:18,010
so can you tell me so I understand the tml I've worked at the legislature.

3898
08:17:23,890 --> 08:17:23,890
they've changed. They've morphed. I know that there's been some changes even recently is.

3899
08:17:29,810 --> 08:17:29,810
I mean, where is that organization moving forward,
And is there an opportunity for dallas and maybe some of the big cities,

3900
08:17:36,840 --> 08:17:36,840
because I know there's a rural versus suburb versus urban kind of conflict going.

3901
08:17:44,640 --> 08:17:48,320
is there an opportunity for us to help shape how they move forward? Because at one time there were a they were a very big powerhouse and they seemed to get
Things done.

3902
08:17:55,000 --> 08:17:58,520
is there an opportunity there? Yes. To say it and summarize it. Yes, of course. And every session takes its own identity as we step into the 90th
Legislative session.

3903
08:18:04,440 --> 08:18:04,440
tml is already in that process of working and engaging with lawmakers.

3904
08:18:08,680 --> 08:18:08,680
and have they changed their lead lobbyists? Are they still using?

3905
08:18:13,720 --> 08:18:13,720
I'm not going to say their name, but they're in. Maybe that's just something to get back
At. But I know that they had a couple of lobbyists that weren't necessarily always

3906
08:18:21,040 --> 08:18:24,800
welcomed in people's office. And I'm just wondering,
Do they still have them? I can find that out to be sure and be transparent.

3907
08:18:27,440 --> 08:18:27,440
and do we have any lobbyists right now that the city is down there working for us as our
Eyes and ears.

3908
08:18:34,200 --> 08:18:34,200
the city of dallas has does not have a lobbyist or lobbyist.

3909
08:18:38,640 --> 08:18:41,880
we're flying blind here, and sometimes they do have information. It doesn't necessarily mean you, you, you, you trade on current.

3910
08:18:46,160 --> 08:18:46,160
that's the currency. There is information, political capital. And whether it's right or
Wrong, it's still information. And and so I mean,

3911
08:18:53,760 --> 08:18:53,760
$27,000. And how much is our budget, our general fund budget,
Two point something billion.

3912
08:18:59,280 --> 08:18:59,280
okay. I'm just kind of trying to reconcile that we're having a conversation 30 minutes on
$27,000.

3913
08:19:06,040 --> 08:19:06,040
and I appreciate those folks that serve on the boards and that serve on committees.

3914
08:19:10,680 --> 08:19:10,680
I don't but they do have valuable information because I do know that there is exchange of
That.

3915
08:19:17,200 --> 08:19:17,200
and again, information is currency. And and so I,
You know, I didn't opt in to doing that and that's fine,

3916
08:19:25,160 --> 08:19:25,160
but some folks do opt into it and they take it serious,
And I appreciate that.

3917
08:19:30,430 --> 08:19:30,430
and so to deny them an opportunity, I think is not fair because they want to serve it.

3918
08:19:37,430 --> 08:19:40,830
and I don't necessarily think it is for a resume. I know mr. Bazaldua does serve on the board and he is always giving us information.

3919
08:19:46,430 --> 08:19:46,430
he does not allow he does halo and he gives us information that I wouldn't see because I'm
Not I mean,

3920
08:19:52,670 --> 08:19:52,670
I it's just like I said, information. So for 27,000,
I think that if we could shape how tml gets back on track.

3921
08:20:01,270 --> 08:20:01,270
and I know that they're doing some. There's been some discussion on leadership changes and
That we get more involved in that operation.

3922
08:20:10,230 --> 08:20:10,230
I think that may make a better roi on the 27000 investment.

3923
08:20:15,870 --> 08:20:19,350
and then if it doesn't look like it's going to work,
Then maybe we cut loose. That's just my thoughts. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion.

3924
08:20:24,630 --> 08:20:24,630
all those in favor, say I. Please. Any opposed?

3925
08:20:29,150 --> 08:20:29,150
no. I noted two in opposition council member mendelsohn and council member ridley.

3926
08:20:34,910 --> 08:20:34,910
motion prevails. Next item three council member roth.

3927
08:20:39,350 --> 08:20:39,350
thank you. I said motion prevails. Sorry about that.

3928
08:20:45,430 --> 08:20:48,830
I'm just noting the the council members that voted no. Your next item is agenda item 57. Item 57 authorize a one year master subscription or
Agreement and service agreement

3929
08:20:58,550 --> 08:21:01,910
for internet based electronic payment services. Evolution, llc. Sole source. Estimated amount of $824,749.

3930
08:21:09,030 --> 08:21:11,310
this item was pulled by council member mendelsohn. Move to approve. I heard a motion in a second.

3931
08:21:14,310 --> 08:21:14,310
discussion. Miss mendelsohn yes, I have a number of questions.

3932
08:21:20,350 --> 08:21:20,350
starting with why was this a sole source contract procurement.

3933
08:21:30,660 --> 08:21:30,660
sheri kowalski, city controller. The sole source was related to tyler technology and
Taking payments at courts.

3934
08:21:42,980 --> 08:21:42,980
well, I know what it does, but tyler technology has many competitors.

3935
08:21:48,380 --> 08:21:48,380
why was it a sole source? I need someone from it to assist with that.

3936
08:21:54,620 --> 08:21:54,620
you got it. Okay. Juanita ortiz, director, office of procurement services.

3937
08:22:02,100 --> 08:22:02,100
so is the only payment processor that integrates with tyler technologies or encode,
Which is what we're

3938
08:22:11,820 --> 08:22:11,820
using. And so if we were to go out, there wouldn't be any other competitors.

3939
08:22:20,740 --> 08:22:20,740
so you're telling me that you checked with payette and with invoice cloud and go pay net
All these other ones that on their

3940
08:22:30,500 --> 08:22:30,500
website say they do this. So we have information from g,
Not

3941
08:22:40,340 --> 08:22:40,340
gt from cts tyler encode that says that they're only integrated.

3942
08:22:45,740 --> 08:22:45,740
they only integrate with government payment processor.

3943
08:22:53,060 --> 08:22:53,060
I don't even know what to say. What if you find out that's not true.

3944
08:23:00,900 --> 08:23:00,900
so we could always go back and do a procurement if that's the case,
But the documentation we had showed that it was.

3945
08:23:14,780 --> 08:23:14,780
I actually speechless. And what is the point of changing from our current system.

3946
08:23:27,140 --> 08:23:30,460
good evening, jenny kurtzman, assistant director of treasury. Thank you for the question. We have been using resolution for a long time.

3947
08:23:37,300 --> 08:23:37,300
the services were under the bank of america merchant services,
Bank of america umbrella.

3948
08:23:44,980 --> 08:23:44,980
bank of america chose not to continue a partnership with revolution.

3949
08:23:50,860 --> 08:23:50,860
so we were given the option to go and find another provider or just contract directly with
Revolution.

3950
08:24:01,300 --> 08:24:01,300
the reason that we did it just for six months is because we're in the middle of issuing an
Rfp for merchant services for all of our locations.

3951
08:24:11,860 --> 08:24:11,860
so having the option to go directly to revolution made it a very seamless transition.

3952
08:24:18,810 --> 08:24:18,810
so we were able to continue providing the services for the few departments.

3953
08:24:24,010 --> 08:24:24,010
not everybody is using resolution, but the departments that we're using it mainly
Sanitation,

3954
08:24:30,130 --> 08:24:30,130
were able to transition directly from one to the other without really any issues,
Because revolution has been providing the services for

3955
08:24:40,010 --> 08:24:40,010
us. But this is actually the company that has had a very unsuccessful transition for our
Water bills,

3956
08:24:47,290 --> 08:24:47,290
correct? No, it's a very different contract. But it's the same company,
Right?

3957
08:24:52,410 --> 08:24:52,410
no it's not. Pimentos is the provider for dallas water utilities.

3958
08:25:01,050 --> 08:25:01,050
this is very different. It has nothing to do with them.

3959
08:25:05,610 --> 08:25:05,610
it's pimentos. There's the that provides the services of the billing and the settlement of
The transactions.

3960
08:25:14,290 --> 08:25:14,290
so why aren't you using one of our current payment processing softwares.

3961
08:25:19,690 --> 08:25:19,690
so the city has three large providers for credit cards.

3962
08:25:23,850 --> 08:25:26,050
so you have bank of america merchant services. Many of the departments use it. Then we have a couple of other groups that use very
Specific processor just because the nature of their business.

3963
08:25:35,050 --> 08:25:35,050
so we have bluefin which is used for development for all the permits.

3964
08:25:39,970 --> 08:25:39,970
and then water department that uses for payments for their services.

3965
08:25:45,170 --> 08:25:45,170
so it sometimes it's very difficult. They have a different one as well,
Don't they.

3966
08:25:50,010 --> 08:25:50,010
I'm sorry. Who. Parks and rec. Right now they are using bank of america merchant services.

3967
08:25:58,970 --> 08:25:58,970
so they we have to unfortunately, sometimes not the same fits all for all the departments.

3968
08:26:07,730 --> 08:26:07,730
we try to limit to make sure that we don't have many different providers.

3969
08:26:13,370 --> 08:26:13,370
so that's what we have. This just three and now resolution.

3970
08:26:18,320 --> 08:26:18,320
once we do the rfp, we're going to include all of the departments with the exception of
Water,

3971
08:26:24,800 --> 08:26:24,800
because they are under a very large, very long contract with pimentos and then also
Development.

3972
08:26:32,920 --> 08:26:32,920
so all of the other departments will be part of the rfp,
And hopefully we can get them all together.

3973
08:26:39,000 --> 08:26:39,000
that will be the goal. Okay. So was it's part of the decision to add

3974
08:26:48,720 --> 08:26:48,720
another payment processing organization, company software.

3975
08:26:53,640 --> 08:26:53,640
yes. It's actually was agreed to another one.

3976
08:26:57,680 --> 08:26:57,680
yes they agree. But as I said, sometimes it's just you just can't have the same for all of
The departments.

3977
08:27:04,840 --> 08:27:04,840
sanitation has a very specific requirement and how they process their transactions.

3978
08:27:10,520 --> 08:27:10,520
so that's why it was selected to continue the process of revolution that has been
Performed for

3979
08:27:20,840 --> 08:27:20,840
several years. The thing is, we didn't have a contract separate for revolution.

3980
08:27:25,960 --> 08:27:25,960
we do now. Did you want to say anything? Yeah.

3981
08:27:33,040 --> 08:27:33,040
yes. You got to push the button. Tanisha dorsey,
Deputy director for its miss kirkman is correct.

3982
08:27:41,400 --> 08:27:41,400
we've been using evolutions for several years,
And so we do support continuation with this specific vendor.

3983
08:27:47,920 --> 08:27:51,080
we are not adding in a new payment processor. We're continuing the existing service that we already have because who was what department
Was on it before.

3984
08:27:56,720 --> 08:27:59,200
and we have several departments that's on it. We have sanitation for the landfill. Thank you.

3985
08:28:03,680 --> 08:28:03,680
okay. City secretary dallas fire rescue, municipal courts and dallas dpd records.

3986
08:28:12,110 --> 08:28:12,110
and so for every one of these payment processing softwares,
You have to have someone who's trained and certified and updates that come in for security

3987
08:28:21,030 --> 08:28:21,030
or revisions of the software. Somebody has to do that for each different one.

3988
08:28:25,070 --> 08:28:25,070
correct. The departments have representatives that are responsible for managing the
Payment processor internally for their administrative work and their reconciliation.

3989
08:28:35,390 --> 08:28:35,390
we use evolution because it is one of the services that has pci requirements and they meet
Our pci requirements.

3990
08:28:43,830 --> 08:28:43,830
so we work with each department to make sure that they're following pci compliance.

3991
08:28:49,710 --> 08:28:49,710
so are you saying that there's a payment processing that doesn't have pci?

3992
08:28:55,110 --> 08:28:55,110
I'm sorry. Would you repeat the question? That there's payment processing companies that
Don't have pci? I don't think so.

3993
08:29:01,230 --> 08:29:04,150
no, there are not payment processors that don't. But we ensure that we try to keep it consolidated only to a few.

3994
08:29:08,470 --> 08:29:08,470
and we ensure that the vendors that are using specific payment processors,
That they meet pci requirements as well.

3995
08:29:15,670 --> 08:29:15,670
well, I was told. Of course, we're going back a couple of it directors now that we were
Going to get down to one.

3996
08:29:22,630 --> 08:29:25,230
we are we are definitely doing our best to do that. As we add new systems that have payments, we're trying to keep it consistent with our
Payments.

3997
08:29:32,070 --> 08:29:32,070
we're not adding additional payment processors.

3998
08:29:36,110 --> 08:29:36,110
we are trying to consolidate down to a consolidated here.

3999
08:29:41,350 --> 08:29:43,710
I'm sorry. Can you if I could jump in for just a second? I think we've said this and I'll just maybe I'll say it again and maybe it'll be clearer.

4000
08:29:48,870 --> 08:29:52,350
this is to allow for us to move to a full procurement. We understand. And I think that's part of why we're here today to with this item.

4001
08:29:57,430 --> 08:29:57,430
we're trying to find a way to create more synergy between all of the various departments.

4002
08:30:02,670 --> 08:30:05,790
but in order to do that, this is an interim step. That's why it's only for a one year subscription agreement that would allow for us to go
Ahead and move forward with the procurement,

4003
08:30:12,180 --> 08:30:12,180
that we can come back and be able to share with you how we're looking at trying to get
More departments into one platform.

4004
08:30:19,500 --> 08:30:19,500
but this is to allow for the collections, for sanitation to continue with no interruption
At this time.

4005
08:30:25,300 --> 08:30:25,300
and we definitely understand, and I do appreciate the need and we're trying to move in
That direction.

4006
08:30:31,820 --> 08:30:31,820
I think that's what the staff has already presented. Thank you so much. So are you
Expecting to bring this back within that year then?

4007
08:30:39,500 --> 08:30:39,500
I believe based on the timeline that staff has communicated,
We should be able to have something back to council by next year.

4008
08:30:46,300 --> 08:30:46,300
thank you so much. Okay. Well, I just want everyone to remember that because I predict
You're going to come back and extend this contract.

4009
08:30:54,580 --> 08:30:54,580
thank you, mr. Roff. My my question was really a concern following the disaster that we've
Had with the water

4010
08:31:05,140 --> 08:31:05,140
billing situation that if we're trying to roll out a project like this across all of the
Departments,

4011
08:31:12,820 --> 08:31:12,820
I would really want to make sure that in any rfp or any kind of proposal that you all are
Thinking about doing that you try to avoid the

4012
08:31:22,660 --> 08:31:22,660
absolutely disastrous effect of what we've just experienced and what we're still
Experiencing.

4013
08:31:29,420 --> 08:31:29,420
so please factor that in to your your ideas of consolidating and just rolling out new
Stuff to,

4014
08:31:37,380 --> 08:31:37,380
to our citizens. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Yes, sir.

4015
08:31:41,940 --> 08:31:45,220
I would like to call the question. Well, I think that mr. Ridley, really quickly. So I'd like to go ahead and give him a chance to speak.

4016
08:31:49,500 --> 08:31:52,540
thank you, mr. Mayor. So I have a procedural question. When you said that you considered go evolution a sole source for this contract of $824,000
And not

4017
08:32:02,210 --> 08:32:02,210
insignificant amount. Do you just take their word for it that no.

4018
08:32:07,810 --> 08:32:07,810
none of their competitors can offer the same service that they do without doing research
In the marketplace.

4019
08:32:15,890 --> 08:32:15,890
the city controller's office did do some price comparison to see what the rates were for
Evolution with bank of america,

4020
08:32:22,690 --> 08:32:22,690
and then what they were charging us in this contract and they were comparable.

4021
08:32:27,850 --> 08:32:27,850
again, evolution is the only payment processor that tyler incode accepts or partners with.

4022
08:32:35,490 --> 08:32:35,490
and how did you make that conclusion from tyler incode providing us that information.

4023
08:32:42,650 --> 08:32:42,650
so they said that they only work with go evolution,
Notwithstanding that other vendors say they do also.

4024
08:32:53,970 --> 08:32:53,970
with a version of the tyler code system that we're on right now,
Evolution is the only vendor that works with this version.

4025
08:33:01,810 --> 08:33:01,810
oh, so we have a specific version of the go evolution software that is.

4026
08:33:09,850 --> 08:33:09,850
is it an old version? I'm just wondering why nobody else services it.

4027
08:33:13,930 --> 08:33:17,290
it's tyler. It's a version of tyler that we're on. We're planning to upgrade the tyler system and we can reevaluate the payment system at
That time.

4028
08:33:23,210 --> 08:33:23,210
okay. But with the version of tyler we have now,
It's best that we remain with evolution.

4029
08:33:28,210 --> 08:33:28,210
okay, so we have an old version of the tyler software.

4030
08:33:33,730 --> 08:33:33,730
are we going to be upgrading that to the more common version,
More updated version when we renew the when we consider

4031
08:33:43,570 --> 08:33:43,570
this contract after a year. So I, I believe as jenny mentioned,
They

4032
08:33:53,490 --> 08:33:53,490
are working on a solicitation to have a payment processor.

4033
08:33:58,410 --> 08:34:02,080
that's just one that would work with all the departments. And so that's what we're trying to get to. This change from bank of america happened in
October.

4034
08:34:09,600 --> 08:34:09,600
so we're doing this contract through june 27th,
2027.

4035
08:34:14,240 --> 08:34:14,240
and that'll give us about a year to get through a procurement process and re award and
Award a new process.

4036
08:34:22,280 --> 08:34:22,280
okay. Well, it just seems to me that we're being handicapped by using an old version of
Tyler's software that nobody else services anymore,

4037
08:34:31,200 --> 08:34:31,200
and that we might get more competitive pricing on this service if we had more up to date
Software.

4038
08:34:38,520 --> 08:34:41,120
now, hopefully that can be corrected in a year. When you go out with a new rfp and you consolidate other departments,
Because that too would probably cut administrative costs,

4039
08:34:48,600 --> 08:34:48,600
would it not? That is the goal. Council member really,
I think that's why we're trying to,

4040
08:34:53,720 --> 08:34:53,720
again, not have any interruptions, do the procurement and come back and see if that's
Really the reality,

4041
08:35:00,040 --> 08:35:00,040
which is what we hope for, because we understand that we have not just this system,
We have many others that we're trying to bring them up to date,

4042
08:35:07,600 --> 08:35:10,600
be able to get better pricing. But some of that's going to take time. We have a lot of legacy systems, as you all know,
And this is part of the effort that we're undertaking right now to be able to move towards

4043
08:35:18,040 --> 08:35:18,040
more consistent platforms and not have to have as many different ones across the entire
Enterprise.

4044
08:35:23,040 --> 08:35:23,040
so that's the direction that we're headed. Thank you,
Mayor, if I may add, just one, one small thing.

4045
08:35:30,920 --> 08:35:30,920
as we mentioned earlier, there are five different departments that uses revolution.

4046
08:35:36,680 --> 08:35:36,680
the piece the municipal court is using, what tyler is actually very small.

4047
08:35:41,480 --> 08:35:41,480
the largest portion of this contract is for sanitation.

4048
08:35:46,960 --> 08:35:46,960
so that is the department that of course, we did not want to disrupt.

4049
08:35:51,560 --> 08:35:51,560
and definitely was the better option to just running to a contract directly with
Revolution to make sure that there was no disruption,

4050
08:36:01,350 --> 08:36:01,350
as the notification that came from bank of america was sort of last minute.

4051
08:36:07,110 --> 08:36:07,110
as of, you know, we are not going to continue the contract with this provider,
But you are welcome to go directly and get a contract with them.

4052
08:36:17,110 --> 08:36:19,950
so it's a very small process. Thank you so much. Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor,
Say aye. Please. Any opposed?

4053
08:36:25,790 --> 08:36:29,070
noted. Motion prevails. Next item. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. Your next agenda item is agenda item 58.

4054
08:36:37,590 --> 08:36:37,590
item 58. Authorized one. The rejection of proposals received for eviction advocacy program
For the office of housing and community empowerment and two

4055
08:36:47,630 --> 08:36:47,630
the re. Advertisement of a new solicitation. This item was pulled by council member
Mendelsohn.

4056
08:36:53,430 --> 08:36:53,430
is there a motion? I heard a motion. A second discussion,
Miss mendelsohn.

4057
08:37:01,430 --> 08:37:01,430
yes. I'd like to understand why this is being proposed to be rejected.

4058
08:37:12,670 --> 08:37:12,670
thank you, director thor, for coming out, and I want you to make sure you refer to the
Memo that we provided on this item on june the 18th,

4059
08:37:18,590 --> 08:37:18,590
please. Good evening. This item is being rejected due to us needing to strengthen a
Solicitation to

4060
08:37:28,430 --> 08:37:28,430
provide stronger performance criteria to address the need of providing legal assistance to
Residents facing eviction.

4061
08:37:38,790 --> 08:37:38,790
how will that wording be changed? We plan to put together parameters around how many
People

4062
08:37:49,070 --> 08:37:49,070
need to be served each month, making sure that the services are set up within the court
Systems.

4063
08:37:56,110 --> 08:37:56,110
making sure that we have clarifying language in terms of service is going to be delivered
To residents that are in this situation.

4064
08:38:05,950 --> 08:38:05,950
so right now, the current solicitation was building on our current pilot.

4065
08:38:10,870 --> 08:38:10,870
after reviewing the proposals, we felt that in order to address the need,
We needed to provide some stronger performance language.

4066
08:38:17,990 --> 08:38:17,990
and how far did this solicitation go?

4067
08:38:31,710 --> 08:38:31,710
we are rejecting these items. Because we did go as far as ward recommendations for two
Vendors.

4068
08:38:41,870 --> 08:38:41,870
and the second vendor did not agree to the terms.

4069
08:38:46,070 --> 08:38:46,070
and then we could not reach a a negotiation with the first vendor.

4070
08:38:51,700 --> 08:38:51,700
and then that's when we identified that we had some gaps in the solicitation that needed
To be addressed.

4071
08:39:01,220 --> 08:39:01,220
who identified that there were gaps? Procurement,
Housing staff or one of the selected vendors,

4072
08:39:09,860 --> 08:39:09,860
the department. Well, after reviewing the proposals that were received and the
Recommendations and not being able to reach an agreement they identified that there

4073
08:39:19,820 --> 08:39:19,820
were some gaps in, as thor mentioned requiring a certain number of individuals to be
Assisted with this program.

4074
08:39:29,380 --> 08:39:33,260
but it was the department itself that set up the criteria for the rfp to begin with. Correct. Correct. Correct. Okay. Are we allowed to know what organization was top scoring?

4075
08:39:47,980 --> 08:39:47,980
I would ask the attorneys. So once we reject the bids,
We don't have access.

4076
08:39:54,620 --> 08:39:54,620
we don't report that information to my understanding.

4077
08:39:58,780 --> 08:40:02,340
well, we haven't yet done that, have we? Yeah. And we can't talk about it until an action has been taken on the procurement.

4078
08:40:06,540 --> 08:40:06,540
you can't talk about it because an action has not been taken. But once we reject it,
Then it's subject to open records and we can release information.

4079
08:40:14,500 --> 08:40:14,500
okay. Is there is what what are what are the laws involved

4080
08:40:24,700 --> 08:40:24,700
with rescinding a procurement because a favored vendor isn't selected?

4081
08:40:34,140 --> 08:40:34,140
well, first of all, let me this is a recommendation to reject.

4082
08:40:39,220 --> 08:40:39,220
it has nothing to do with a vendor or a particular vendor not being selected.

4083
08:40:43,940 --> 08:40:43,940
staff has identified some deficiencies that we realized that we missed in the
Solicitation.

4084
08:40:49,970 --> 08:40:49,970
and we're asking council today to reject the actual solicitation.

4085
08:40:56,210 --> 08:40:56,210
so we have an opportunity to go back and deal with everything from performance measures to
Minimum requirements to capacity.

4086
08:41:03,850 --> 08:41:03,850
we think that those things are important. And I will say that this is the first time that
We've done this particular type of solicitation.

4087
08:41:11,490 --> 08:41:15,210
and I think we've learned some things through this process. But this is not about a particular vendor or a favorite vendor from this team,
Nor would I be coming to you because of a favorite vendor not being selected.

4088
08:41:25,730 --> 08:41:29,050
but there are procurement laws that prohibit that. Is that correct? Yes we are. We are coming to you to reject this item so we could go back
Out to bid after we make

4089
08:41:38,810 --> 08:41:38,810
updates to the solicitation. I will say I have heard from a couple of non-profits that

4090
08:41:48,650 --> 08:41:52,650
are questioning how this is being handled. Thank you. Councilmember willis, can I, can I just mention something to that?

4091
08:41:56,890 --> 08:41:56,890
and while we're still in this solicitation, which has not been completed we're still in
The process where vendors should not be

4092
08:42:06,770 --> 08:42:10,570
talking to council members if they've submitted as part of the solicitation. I just wanted to make sure I say that, councilmember willis.

4093
08:42:15,650 --> 08:42:15,650
I'd like to learn more about these deficiencies. I mean,
You talked about it a little bit. I mean, the whole intention behind us funding this in

4094
08:42:21,170 --> 08:42:23,370
last year's budget was to turn off the spigot. That's part of homelessness. That's feeding it so we could stop that and hopefully catch
Up on the population we've currently got.

4095
08:42:31,410 --> 08:42:31,410
so tell me a little bit more about what you all are seeing as the gap between,
You know, the first try and then that it was so,

4096
08:42:40,810 --> 08:42:40,810
you know, that there was such an absence of what we need,
That we're now talking about rejecting it.

4097
08:42:46,840 --> 08:42:46,840
so what I look at is we're a year out of the marketplace or 9 or 10 months out of the
Marketplace of helping people stay in their homes,

4098
08:42:54,200 --> 08:42:57,600
or at least have the court system treat them fairly. Yeah, it comes right down to that. Unfortunately,
Our solicitation did not set any sort of monthly quotas or service timeframes.

4099
08:43:05,280 --> 08:43:05,280
and so we left it up to the proposers to tell us how they would handle that case
Management rather than driving it through set criteria to address that need.

4100
08:43:15,040 --> 08:43:15,040
and so when we look at the at the opportunity,
We want to make sure that it is set up to be as aggressive as the need is and not hope our

4101
08:43:24,400 --> 08:43:24,400
vendors can meet that and have the to the city manager's point of view,
The capacity and scale to address that need.

4102
08:43:31,880 --> 08:43:31,880
so you left it to them to describe. And they did not do a very compelling job of that.

4103
08:43:36,920 --> 08:43:36,920
correct. I mean, I just feel like we've got some partners that we're aware of in the
Marketplace that are have some pretty strong numbers.

4104
08:43:43,600 --> 08:43:46,680
I mean, what is there no way to make that that work? I mean, I don't even know who our top people are,
But I mean, I kind of like, I'd almost rather,

4105
08:43:52,800 --> 08:43:52,800
you know, keep people in their homes. So we're not disrupting school and workplace and
That sort of thing.

4106
08:43:57,640 --> 08:44:01,080
I mean, unless it's just so awful that we feel like it would fail. And I certainly don't want to do that. But I believe that trade off at this point,
I have more of a concern about the failure of if we were to move forward at

4107
08:44:11,040 --> 08:44:14,680
this point and not being able to meet the speed of that need. And so in order to make sure that we get this right,
We bring this forward to reject these bids so we can get the solicitation to set up with

4108
08:44:22,080 --> 08:44:22,080
the proper performance criteria. So what are the improvements you're thinking of that you
Would add in today about being available in the courts at a certain time duration

4109
08:44:31,880 --> 08:44:31,880
about providing direct services like on the spot,
Being able to have eligibility verification the day of being able to have the

4110
08:44:40,950 --> 08:44:40,950
availability each and every day of the week that type of criteria so that we set the tone
Of where and when and how we expect people to perform the eligibility and

4111
08:44:50,870 --> 08:44:53,670
services. So do you have a draft of that ready to go? We are we have we have started that draft. And thanks to improvements to procurement
Through hazel ai,

4112
08:44:59,030 --> 08:44:59,030
we're running it through those scripts to make sure it meets all those performance
Criterias.

4113
08:45:04,830 --> 08:45:04,830
okay, this is really sad. How can we learn from this?

4114
08:45:09,270 --> 08:45:09,270
and when we embark on something like this, I mean,
Is there a way we can pressure test it better so that we don't go through a months long

4115
08:45:16,630 --> 08:45:16,630
exercise when it's something as high touch as keeping people in homes?

4116
08:45:23,550 --> 08:45:23,550
yes, of course. And and thanks to director ortiz,
You know, learning the, the proper prompts to use with our technology that we have in

4117
08:45:29,830 --> 08:45:29,830
procurement is, I think one of the main ways that we're strengthening our procurements to
Make sure that we're using the best available technology to to screen and look at all the

4118
08:45:38,230 --> 08:45:41,030
procurements and opportunities for tightening those. And so I do look forward to building all of our staff skill set out and utilizing that
Tool.

4119
08:45:46,390 --> 08:45:49,990
all right. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further comment. All those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Noted.

4120
08:45:56,070 --> 08:45:56,070
motion prevails. Making progress guys. Halfway through our agenda.

4121
08:46:01,110 --> 08:46:01,110
next item please. Agenda item 61. Item 61. Authorize a one three year master agreement for
The

4122
08:46:11,070 --> 08:46:11,070
purchase of emergency and non-emergency medical supplies for citywide use with bound tree
Medical,

4123
08:46:18,070 --> 08:46:18,070
llc. In the estimated amount of $6,119,432.32.

4124
08:46:25,430 --> 08:46:25,430
life assist inc. Dba life assist in the estimated amount of 6,000,003 in

4125
08:46:34,380 --> 08:46:34,380
$3,363,118.18, and henry schein inc., in the estimated amount of

4126
08:46:42,820 --> 08:46:42,820
$467,845.45 through the local government purchasing cooperative.

4127
08:46:50,660 --> 08:46:50,660
by board agreement and to three year master agreement with the purchase for the purchase
Of emergency and non-emergency medical

4128
08:47:00,100 --> 08:47:00,100
supplies with medline industries lp in the estimated amount of $1,114,282.86 through omnia
Partners

4129
08:47:10,380 --> 08:47:10,380
cooperative agreement. Total estimated amount $11,064,678.81.

4130
08:47:17,900 --> 08:47:17,900
this item was pulled by council member ridley. Is there a motion?

4131
08:47:23,100 --> 08:47:26,620
I heard a motion to approve and a second discussion,
Mr. Ridley. Thank you. Mayor. I'd just like staff to explain why we're spending $11 million on
Emergency and non-emergency medical

4132
08:47:36,100 --> 08:47:36,100
supplies.

4133
08:47:53,660 --> 08:47:53,660
good evening. Mr. Ridley why we spend that much money?

4134
08:47:57,940 --> 08:47:57,940
we make 300,000 calls a year. It's a lot of medical supplies.

4135
08:48:02,900 --> 08:48:02,900
so, is all of this funding just for dhfr? Yeah,
It's for our medical supplies.

4136
08:48:09,380 --> 08:48:09,380
and you use over $3.3 million each year for medical supplies.

4137
08:48:16,780 --> 08:48:16,780
more. More than. I mean, we have different vendors.

4138
08:48:20,900 --> 08:48:20,900
oh, so there are vendors above and beyond the ones listed in this item.

4139
08:48:26,380 --> 08:48:29,460
what's your total budget for medical supplies? Do you have a c? I'll get that for you. But it's a bit more than that.

4140
08:48:34,330 --> 08:48:34,330
but we're not it's not wasted. We're. That's what it takes to respond to 300,000 calls.

4141
08:48:42,730 --> 08:48:42,730
that's that's just what it takes. We we shop around,
We get the best deal.

4142
08:48:50,210 --> 08:48:50,210
and it's there's so much stuff costs. But I'll get you the exact figures.

4143
08:49:02,970 --> 08:49:02,970
so she's still looking at the total amount. I'll follow up with you.

4144
08:49:07,970 --> 08:49:07,970
yeah, we'll follow up. Okay.

4145
08:49:39,650 --> 08:49:43,570
yeah, we'll send that to all, all of you as soon as we get it. Well, if all of this allocation is going to dfr,
Why is some of the funding coming from the wick program?

4146
08:49:52,890 --> 08:49:52,890
women, infants and children grant d w you in the sanitation and homeland security funds.

4147
08:50:02,530 --> 08:50:02,530
why is it going to that now? Why is the money coming from them?

4148
08:50:14,490 --> 08:50:14,490
so this is a city wide agreement. So fire in dallas fire rescue is not the only user on
This contract.

4149
08:50:22,810 --> 08:50:22,810
so we do have fire. I mean, not fire first aid kits and other items that are purchased by
Other departments.

4150
08:50:31,080 --> 08:50:31,080
and so that's why you see water, sanitation and programs on here as well.

4151
08:50:36,680 --> 08:50:36,680
but the majority and the, the majority of the use is for fire rescue.

4152
08:50:42,040 --> 08:50:42,040
okay. Thank you. Seeing no further discussion.

4153
08:50:46,960 --> 08:50:46,960
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion prevails.

4154
08:50:52,960 --> 08:50:52,960
next item. Mister mayor, council member west would like to be recognized on agenda item
65.

4155
08:50:59,920 --> 08:50:59,920
mister west, I move to defer this item until august 12th,
2026.

4156
08:51:06,320 --> 08:51:09,160
is there a second? Second. Got a motion in a second. Any discussion, mister west? It's a request by staff.

4157
08:51:12,000 --> 08:51:12,000
thank you. Okay. Miss mendelsohn had he pulled item 65 or.

4158
08:51:18,800 --> 08:51:18,800
yes. I'm sorry. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion?

4159
08:51:25,720 --> 08:51:25,720
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion prevails.

4160
08:51:30,040 --> 08:51:30,040
next item. Agenda item 70. Authorize a five year service price agreement in the

4161
08:51:39,600 --> 08:51:39,600
estimated amount of $32,046,741.44 for the period june 24th,
2026

4162
08:51:49,520 --> 08:51:49,520
through june 23rd, 2031, with two one year renewal options in the estimated amount of
$13,733,936.99,

4163
08:52:01,040 --> 08:52:01,040
as detailed in the fiscal information section for janitorial services for citywide use.

4164
08:52:07,280 --> 08:52:07,280
ambassador services, llc most advantageous proposal of 37.

4165
08:52:14,360 --> 08:52:14,360
estimated amount $45,780,678.43. This item was pulled by council member mendelsohn.

4166
08:52:25,000 --> 08:52:25,000
is there a motion? I heard a motion and a second.

4167
08:52:29,680 --> 08:52:29,680
discussion miss mendelsohn yes. I pulled this item because it's $45 million.

4168
08:52:38,040 --> 08:52:38,040
why do we have one contract for $45 million for janitorial instead of breaking it up,
Every single one of the proposers actually put

4169
08:52:47,960 --> 08:52:47,960
together a team of people. So there's the lead.

4170
08:52:52,280 --> 08:52:52,280
and then they've they've put all these subs together because we're talking about
Libraries, field service,

4171
08:52:56,920 --> 08:52:56,920
multi-tenant office, police stations service center garages,
Street services and public works and training centers.

4172
08:53:04,720 --> 08:53:04,720
and so what it looks like is that these groups that they've pulled together,
We're going to pay and they're going to admit it out.

4173
08:53:13,960 --> 08:53:13,960
that means the taxpayers are paying an additional admin when guess what?

4174
08:53:18,200 --> 08:53:18,200
they already pay for 15,000 city of dallas employees,
And we can manage more than one janitorial contract.

4175
08:53:26,990 --> 08:53:26,990
and so I just think it is completely outrageous when we sit here and say,
Well, we got to help the small businesses,

4176
08:53:35,030 --> 08:53:35,030
but instead we're we're excluding something that really is not a high skill item.

4177
08:53:42,590 --> 08:53:42,590
it's a high labor item and could be a wonderful way for our local residents to promote
Their own business with their own city.

4178
08:53:52,670 --> 08:53:52,670
but why was why is it sent out at 45 for a $45 million contract?

4179
08:54:02,110 --> 08:54:02,110
good evening, council member brian thompson,
Interim director of facilities management. Can you repeat the question?

4180
08:54:07,430 --> 08:54:10,910
why was it sent out as a $45 million contract? Why wasn't this broken up into multiple different janitorial contracts?

4181
08:54:17,950 --> 08:54:17,950
well, council member it was broken up from a facility grouping perspective.

4182
08:54:23,790 --> 08:54:23,790
so we had five groups within the solicitation,
One being city hall, another group being libraries to concentrate the efforts in a

4183
08:54:33,150 --> 08:54:33,150
particular group of buildings. So I would say it was assembled in a dispersal fashion
Where there were multiple groupings.

4184
08:54:42,870 --> 08:54:42,870
right. But then you have a proposal for the whole thing.

4185
08:54:47,070 --> 08:54:47,070
we had multiple proposals for the whole thing.

4186
08:54:52,230 --> 08:54:52,230
yes, we had 35. Yes. So we had multiple proposals on the groups that were identified in
The solicitation.

4187
08:55:02,470 --> 08:55:02,470
ambassador was selected as the most advantageous proposal.

4188
08:55:09,030 --> 08:55:09,030
and that was for all the different groups. Well,
I'll tell you, every time we've had a contract like this,

4189
08:55:16,580 --> 08:55:16,580
we have the same conversation and generally staff says,
You know, we're going to do that next time.

4190
08:55:21,980 --> 08:55:21,980
we're going to break it up so that we can provide more opportunities to smaller
Businesses,

4191
08:55:27,340 --> 08:55:27,340
but we never do. This is what we do every time.

4192
08:55:31,380 --> 08:55:31,380
and so I don't know if it's convenience. I don't know if you think you're getting a better
Deal. I doubt it because again,

4193
08:55:38,300 --> 08:55:38,300
I think we're actually going to end up paying this lead agency of the group that's
Assembled to,

4194
08:55:45,820 --> 08:55:45,820
to essentially administer what should be done by us.

4195
08:55:50,340 --> 08:55:50,340
so that's why I pulled it, because I just want all of us to at least recognize how we do
Business.

4196
08:55:58,980 --> 08:55:58,980
like we sit here and we say small business and let's invest in this small business
Program.

4197
08:56:03,540 --> 08:56:06,660
and we got to support our small businesses. But what do we do? We do this every time. Thank you. Council member roth.

4198
08:56:14,140 --> 08:56:14,140
I was really just wondering, and it sounds like you've already broken this up into
Different buckets for different buildings and stuff.

4199
08:56:21,220 --> 08:56:21,220
is this is there a is there a common rate based on square footage?

4200
08:56:26,100 --> 08:56:26,100
and are all the contract amounts sort of uniform,
Or are they all basically specific to a particular departments?

4201
08:56:37,300 --> 08:56:37,300
oh, thank you for the question. Council member. So in commercial custodial services,
You look at the rate establishment based

4202
08:56:47,140 --> 08:56:47,140
on the size of the facility, your location. So in the north texas region,
We could expect from a standard level cleaning to a

4203
08:56:57,020 --> 08:56:57,020
high level cleaning anywhere from $2 to $3.50 per square foot.

4204
08:57:02,580 --> 08:57:02,580
if you look at the current proposed contract,
We're at two 60 one on an annual basis per square foot,

4205
08:57:09,540 --> 08:57:09,540
so we are within the range for commercial custodial services at an all in rate.

4206
08:57:15,850 --> 08:57:15,850
does that include supplies also? It includes supplies,
Equipment necessary for advanced level cleaning,

4207
08:57:24,210 --> 08:57:24,210
power washing extra services as well. So you're,
You're about you're really at about $0.20,

4208
08:57:33,130 --> 08:57:33,130
15 to $0.20 per month, which is that's $2, $2 and change.

4209
08:57:40,170 --> 08:57:40,170
yeah. So that's on the high side, but unless you're getting special services also

4210
08:57:50,890 --> 08:57:50,890
to, to accommodate that typically would be 5 to $0.10 per month,
But you're now at 20.

4211
08:57:57,970 --> 08:58:01,010
so but that you're saying that's other issues. That's other additional services. Yes. So the,
The base contract of 32 million is routine and non routine services that are

4212
08:58:10,930 --> 08:58:10,930
incorporated into that. So we can request ad hoc services with this contract.

4213
08:58:16,730 --> 08:58:16,730
and so the 32 represents routine about what about $0.14.

4214
08:58:23,450 --> 08:58:26,690
no routine routine and non routine. No no no. I'm saying how much is that per year. Two six $2.61 per square foot based on the 32
Million based on 32 million.

4215
08:58:37,090 --> 08:58:39,810
okay, so that's that's on the high side, but okay. And then is there any requirement for these folks to be hiring people that have,
Do we have to deal with this minimum this mit minimum

4216
08:58:49,730 --> 08:58:53,130
wage requirement on the people that they're hiring? Or are we, are we out of that situation? Yes.

4217
08:58:56,890 --> 08:58:56,890
so the living wage at the time of the solicitation was 2205.

4218
08:59:00,930 --> 08:59:00,930
so they have to pay the floor, which is 2205 and these are to subcontractors.

4219
08:59:09,040 --> 08:59:09,040
okay. A contract that's very, very, very expensive for janitorial crews.

4220
08:59:13,440 --> 08:59:13,440
but again, look, you all have to solicit it and do it the way you do it,
But it seems like there might have been an opportunity to do some savings there.

4221
08:59:22,400 --> 08:59:22,400
thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion.

4222
08:59:28,120 --> 08:59:28,120
all those in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

4223
08:59:34,720 --> 08:59:34,720
next item please. Thank you, mr. Mayor. That completes your pulled items.

4224
08:59:39,080 --> 08:59:39,080
we are now back at your items for individual consideration,
Beginning with agenda item 78.

4225
08:59:45,760 --> 08:59:45,760
agenda item 7078 is consideration of appointments to boards and commissions.

4226
08:59:50,560 --> 08:59:50,560
today you have nominees for individual full council and city manager appointments.

4227
08:59:57,720 --> 08:59:57,720
your nominees for individual appointments to the animal advisory commission.

4228
09:00:02,560 --> 09:00:05,280
sana saeed is being nominated by mayor johnson. Miss saeed meets the general public. Special qualification to the arts and culture
Advisory commission.

4229
09:00:11,640 --> 09:00:11,640
marion l mchale is being nominated by council member moreno mrs.

4230
09:00:16,680 --> 09:00:16,680
mchale meets the visual arts professional expertise special qualification and david small
Is being nominated by mayor johnson.

4231
09:00:25,080 --> 09:00:25,080
mr. Small meets the performing arts professional expertise special qualification to the
Citizen homelessness commission.

4232
09:00:33,440 --> 09:00:37,000
lester d raiders be nominated by council member ridley. Mr. Raider meets the general public special qualification to the senior affairs
Commission.

4233
09:00:43,760 --> 09:00:47,120
mike nori is being nominated by mayor johnson. Mr. Nori meets the 55 plus years of age special qualification to the south dallas fair
Park opportunity fund board.

4234
09:00:55,680 --> 09:00:55,680
leander t johnson is being nominated by mayor johnson.

4235
09:01:04,160 --> 09:01:04,160
mr. Johnson meets the loan underwriting expertise,
Business development and operations special qualification your nominees for full council

4236
09:01:13,110 --> 09:01:13,110
appointment to the arts and culture advisory commission.

4237
09:01:17,990 --> 09:01:17,990
adjunct member clyde valentine is being nominated by council members by mayor pro tem
Resendez council members,

4238
09:01:25,870 --> 09:01:25,870
moreno, council member willis, council member cadena,
Council member bazaldua and council member blackmon mr.

4239
09:01:34,670 --> 09:01:34,670
valentine meets the performing arts professional expertise special qualification to the
Civil service board,

4240
09:01:41,150 --> 09:01:41,150
sidney j. Blanche is being nominated by council member willis to the reinvestment zone
Nine board,

4241
09:01:48,150 --> 09:01:48,150
vickery meadow. L.c. Thurman is being nominated by mayor johnson and to the reinvestment
Zone 19 board.

4242
09:01:54,630 --> 09:01:54,630
cypress waters, derek j. Sandler is being nominated by mayor johnson.

4243
09:02:00,270 --> 09:02:00,270
your nominees for city manager appointment. To the building inspection.

4244
09:02:07,550 --> 09:02:07,550
advisory. Examining and appeals. Board. Joseph.

4245
09:02:11,990 --> 09:02:11,990
slavinski. Charles. Brandt. Austin. Nixon. Jared.

4246
09:02:19,590 --> 09:02:19,590
francoeur. Anthony l finch and frederick tullman is being nominated.

4247
09:02:25,150 --> 09:02:27,790
are presented for nomination by the city manager. Mr. Slavinski meets the general building contractor with at least five years of commercial
Construction expertise.

4248
09:02:34,030 --> 09:02:34,030
special qualification. Charles brandt meets the registered architect with at least five
Years experience in the practice of architecture.

4249
09:02:43,550 --> 09:02:43,550
special qualification. Mr. Nixon meets the builder with at least five years experience
With residential construction.

4250
09:02:50,390 --> 09:02:50,390
special qualification. Jared fincher meets the registered architect with at least five
Years experience in the practice of architecture.

4251
09:02:58,270 --> 09:02:58,270
special qualification. Anthony l finch meets the registered professional engineer with at
Least five years experience in the practice of mechanical engineering special

4252
09:03:07,820 --> 09:03:07,820
qualification, and frederick toulmin meets the registered engineer with at least five
Years experience in the practice of fire protection engineering

4253
09:03:17,540 --> 09:03:20,540
special qualification. These are your nominees. Mr. Mayor. Second, I got a motion and a second.

4254
09:03:25,100 --> 09:03:28,740
seeing no discussion. All those in favor say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

4255
09:03:33,100 --> 09:03:33,100
thank you. Agenda item 79. Authorize the second step of acquisition for condemnation by
Eminent domain.

4256
09:03:42,100 --> 09:03:42,100
to acquire an access easement containing approximately 137,523ft² of land and a wastewater
Easement

4257
09:03:52,060 --> 09:03:52,060
containing approximately 48,314ft² of land located near the intersection of stag road and
Hoss drive for the fm

4258
09:04:01,500 --> 09:04:01,500
015 mile creek interceptor project from flowerdale llc,
Not to exceed $97,747.

4259
09:04:11,100 --> 09:04:11,100
because this is an eminent domain item and the next four items are all eminent domain
Items,

4260
09:04:16,900 --> 09:04:16,900
they will require a record vote. Mr. Mayor. Got a motion and a second.

4261
09:04:23,780 --> 09:04:23,780
miss dana, do you mind if I ask for item 79 through 82 if the property owner agrees to the
Eminent domain?

4262
09:04:38,380 --> 09:04:41,020
good evening sarah. Standard for dallas water utilities. In each of these instances, the property owner is not in agreement with the cost.

4263
09:04:45,340 --> 09:04:45,340
in particular on agenda item 82. There is some heirship issues within the family,
Which is part of what the discrepancy and what is being offered and what they will agree

4264
09:04:54,780 --> 09:04:57,450
to, but we'll work through the process. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Seeing. No. Well, miss blair I know I'm supposed to talk about each one
Separately,

4265
09:05:05,850 --> 09:05:05,850
but I'm going to say the same thing about all district eight five now.

4266
09:05:10,170 --> 09:05:10,170
so I'm gonna say it one time. This is to get people off of septic tanks.

4267
09:05:15,930 --> 09:05:15,930
thank you very much. Seeing no further discussion.

4268
09:05:20,050 --> 09:05:20,050
all those in favor, say aye. A recorded vote. Miss. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Record vote. Thank
You, mr. Mayor.

4269
09:05:25,410 --> 09:05:25,410
agenda item on agenda item 79. When I call your name,
Please state yes if you're in favor.

4270
09:05:30,570 --> 09:05:33,730
no. If you oppose councilmember west. Yes. Council member. Moreno. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member.

4271
09:05:38,250 --> 09:05:38,250
yes. Council member. Bazaldua is absent with vote taken.

4272
09:05:42,810 --> 09:05:46,810
councilmember. Blair. Yes. Councilmember blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member.

4273
09:05:49,890 --> 09:05:49,890
roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member.

4274
09:05:55,010 --> 09:05:55,010
willis. Yes. Council member ridley. Yes. Deputy mayor.

4275
09:05:59,170 --> 09:06:02,730
pro tem johnson. Yes. Mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson is absent. Vote taken with 13.

4276
09:06:06,690 --> 09:06:06,690
voting in favor zero opposed two absent. Vote taken.

4277
09:06:11,090 --> 09:06:14,690
the item passes, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Next item please. Mr. Mayor, can I request that we combine items 79 through 81 into one motion 82?

4278
09:06:24,170 --> 09:06:24,170
I don't think we can, because they're all record votes. According to the city attorney,
Individual record votes are required.

4279
09:06:31,250 --> 09:06:31,250
okay. And and we just did 79 as well. So yeah,
Agenda item 80 authorize the second step of

4280
09:06:40,970 --> 09:06:40,970
acquisition for condemnation by eminent domain to acquire a wastewater easement containing
Approximately 20,987ft² of land

4281
09:06:50,530 --> 09:06:50,530
located near the intersection of river oaks drive and south central expressway for the fm
015 mile creek interceptor project from

4282
09:07:00,290 --> 09:07:00,290
julius schepps llc, not to exceed $37,058. Move to approve a motion and a second.

4283
09:07:09,210 --> 09:07:13,050
seeing no discussion. City secretary, please call the roll. Thank you, mr. Mayor. When I call your name,
Please state yes if you're in favor.

4284
09:07:18,570 --> 09:07:18,570
no. If you oppose. Council member west. Yes. Council member.

4285
09:07:23,770 --> 09:07:23,770
moreno. Yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member.

4286
09:07:28,570 --> 09:07:28,570
yes. Council member. Bazaldua. Absent. One vote taken.

4287
09:07:32,850 --> 09:07:35,730
council member. Blair. Yes. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member.

4288
09:07:38,930 --> 09:07:42,890
roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member. Willis. Yes. Council member. Ridley. Deputy mayor.

4289
09:07:46,650 --> 09:07:50,250
pro tem. Johnson. Yes. Mayor. Pro tem. Resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson is asked to vote taken with 13.

4290
09:07:53,680 --> 09:07:57,120
vote in favor, zero opposed to absent. Vote taken. The item passes. Mr. Mayor. Next item please.

4291
09:08:00,080 --> 09:08:00,080
agenda item 81. Authorize the second step of acquisition for condemnation by eminent
Domain

4292
09:08:10,840 --> 09:08:10,840
to acquire a wastewater easement containing approximately 6186ft² of land located near the
Intersection of art and road and south

4293
09:08:20,360 --> 09:08:20,360
lancaster road for the fm 015 mile creek interceptor project from blaine rush not to
Exceed

4294
09:08:28,120 --> 09:08:28,120
$14,662. This is your item, mr. Mayor. Second.

4295
09:08:34,920 --> 09:08:38,080
got a motion and a second. Seeing no discussion. City secretary, please call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

4296
09:08:40,320 --> 09:08:44,200
mayor. When I call your name, please state. Yes,
If you're in favor. No. If you oppose council member west. Yes. Council member.

4297
09:08:47,800 --> 09:08:47,800
moreno. Yes. Council member. Gracey council member cadena council member bazaldua is
Absent when taken.

4298
09:08:55,480 --> 09:08:55,480
council member blair. Council member blackmon.

4299
09:09:00,480 --> 09:09:03,560
council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member roth. Yes. Council member. Mendelsohn. Yes. Council member willis.

4300
09:09:08,200 --> 09:09:08,200
yes. Council member ridley. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

4301
09:09:12,800 --> 09:09:12,800
yes. Mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson is absent.

4302
09:09:17,040 --> 09:09:17,040
vote taken with 13. Voting in favor, zero opposed to absent.

4303
09:09:21,120 --> 09:09:24,680
vote taken. The item passes. Mr. Mayor. Next item please. Agenda item 82. Authorize the second step of acquisition for condemnation by eminent
Domain

4304
09:09:35,040 --> 09:09:35,040
to acquire a wastewater easement containing approximately 4443ft² of land from joseph
Jones et al.

4305
09:09:43,960 --> 09:09:43,960
located near the intersection of south lancaster road and arden road for the fm 015 mile
Creek interceptor project,

4306
09:09:52,230 --> 09:09:52,230
not to exceed $9,109. This is your item, mr. Mayor.

4307
09:09:58,950 --> 09:10:02,670
I got a motion and a second. Seeing no discussion. City. City secretary, please call the roll. Thank you,
Mr.

4308
09:10:05,270 --> 09:10:05,270
mayor. When I call your name, please state. Yes,
If you're in favor.

4309
09:10:10,430 --> 09:10:14,190
no. If you oppose. Council member. West. Yes. Council member. Moreno. Yes. Council member. Gracey.

4310
09:10:18,430 --> 09:10:21,910
council member. Yes. Council member bazaldua. Absent. One vote taken. Council member. Blair.

4311
09:10:24,430 --> 09:10:27,630
yes. Council member. Blackmon. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member. Roth. Yes. Council member.

4312
09:10:31,470 --> 09:10:34,510
mendelsohn. Yes. Council member. Willis. Yes. Council member. Ridley. Deputy mayor. Pro tem.

4313
09:10:37,430 --> 09:10:37,430
johnson. Yes. Mayor. Pro tem. Resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson.

4314
09:10:41,790 --> 09:10:45,350
absent vote taken with 13. Voting in favor zero opposed. Two. Absentee vote taken. The item passes. Mr..

4315
09:10:48,510 --> 09:10:48,510
mayor. Next item please. Agenda item 83.

4316
09:11:00,870 --> 09:11:00,870
is a resolution amending the city plan commission's rules of procedure by updating the
Process for the distribution of written communications regarding subdivision

4317
09:11:10,590 --> 09:11:10,590
matters, providing that membership on standing committees should reflect diverse
Representation.

4318
09:11:17,230 --> 09:11:17,230
clarifying that all standing committees shall strive to solicit views from from a variety
Of backgrounds.

4319
09:11:24,030 --> 09:11:24,030
renaming the comprehensive land use committee to the plans advisory committee,
And updating membership requirements and roles of that committee,

4320
09:11:33,470 --> 09:11:33,470
and updating the membership requirements and responsibilities of the zoning ordinance
Advisory committee.

4321
09:11:40,590 --> 09:11:40,590
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item,
Brant rubin to be given three minutes.

4322
09:11:49,540 --> 09:11:49,540
good evening everyone. Last time when the rules amendments for cpc came before the body,
I think there were some council

4323
09:11:59,340 --> 09:11:59,340
members who suggested it might be helpful to have the chair here to answer any questions.

4324
09:12:04,620 --> 09:12:08,020
so I'm here tonight in case anyone has questions. We've worked long and hard over the past year or so to work on our rules with the
Amendments you all saw before,

4325
09:12:14,700 --> 09:12:14,700
and these ones as well to make cpc more efficient and effective.

4326
09:12:19,060 --> 09:12:19,060
so I'm happy to answer any questions and hope that you all will support the rules changes
We adopted.

4327
09:12:24,780 --> 09:12:27,260
thank you. There are no further speakers for this item. Mr. Mayor second got a motion and a second seeing no discussion.

4328
09:12:32,460 --> 09:12:32,460
well, go ahead, miss mendelsohn. Yes, I move to amend the motion to strike.

4329
09:12:37,860 --> 09:12:37,860
quote in 13e2b strike. It is the goal of the city plan commission to.

4330
09:12:45,740 --> 09:12:45,740
and replace it with the city plan commission will.

4331
09:12:49,900 --> 09:12:49,900
and end the sentence at over representation of any district.

4332
09:12:55,780 --> 09:12:55,780
striking the part that says on any one committee.

4333
09:13:03,060 --> 09:13:05,860
second. Thank you. Got a motion and a second. Go ahead, miss mendelsohn. So the way it reads one second,
Please.

4334
09:13:09,300 --> 09:13:09,300
just to be clear, if you change the rules, they will go back to city planning commission
To have to be re adopted by city planning commission and then come forward.

4335
09:13:16,140 --> 09:13:18,580
okay. That's the first time I've spoken about this. Okay. Thank you. So the way it reads right now is it's the goal.

4336
09:13:24,260 --> 09:13:24,260
it would be really nice. We would really aspire to like to do something.

4337
09:13:28,740 --> 09:13:28,740
and instead we're going to say, no, this is what we will do.

4338
09:13:33,340 --> 09:13:33,340
and what we're talking about is it's the goal to not have overrepresentation by one
District.

4339
09:13:42,130 --> 09:13:45,650
not. We will not have overrepresentation. Just. It's our goal. And then it's of any one committee.

4340
09:13:49,210 --> 09:13:49,210
because what we see is when we look at the committees,
There's some districts that are on every single committee and other districts that are on

4341
09:13:56,850 --> 09:13:56,850
one position in one committee. And, you know,
My my colleagues who are sitting very close to me who are close to

4342
09:14:06,490 --> 09:14:06,490
downtown, they're on every committee. If you're not very close to downtown,
You're not on every committee.

4343
09:14:14,090 --> 09:14:14,090
and the whole city is not being represented. And that is just a fact.

4344
09:14:19,090 --> 09:14:19,090
and so we need some definitive language that says,
Not that it's a goal that we will have not even equal

4345
09:14:28,490 --> 09:14:28,490
representation, just not overrepresentation of,
Of one district.

4346
09:14:33,530 --> 09:14:33,530
and that is happening. So this is to take away way,
The flowery language that says it's our goal and say that we

4347
09:14:43,490 --> 09:14:43,490
will do this. My last little comment,

4348
09:14:53,490 --> 09:14:55,530
I guess, is just to say that it's like night. Like, just do it. Not say it would be our goal because seven years,
I'm going to tell you district 12 has not been represented.

4349
09:15:03,210 --> 09:15:03,210
we have one committee with one person. That's it.

4350
09:15:08,330 --> 09:15:12,210
many of you have the same exact situation for many,
Many years. Thank you, councilmember willis. Thank you, mr.

4351
09:15:17,930 --> 09:15:17,930
rubin. Could you respond to that? I know you all have done a lot of work and had a lot of
Discussion around this.

4352
09:15:23,730 --> 09:15:23,730
was that something that was discussed and debated,
Or what is your reaction to this amendment?

4353
09:15:29,770 --> 09:15:29,770
yeah, I think we are very mindful of geographic diversity when it comes to appointing
These committees including both members of cpc and

4354
09:15:39,520 --> 09:15:39,520
public members as well. And, you know, in appointing members over the past year,
I have to zoe and other committees I have strove to,

4355
09:15:48,640 --> 09:15:48,640
you know, include people who live throughout the city on,
On each of the committees in order to reflect that,

4356
09:15:58,200 --> 09:15:58,200
you know, various geographic viewpoints. I would say at the same time,
You know, those committees are really meant to do deep dives

4357
09:16:08,040 --> 09:16:08,040
into particular issues, whether it's, you know,
Zoe, which is what I describe as sort of the code nerd committee.

4358
09:16:15,080 --> 09:16:15,080
and some people are eminently well qualified for that committee.

4359
09:16:19,160 --> 09:16:23,080
other people may not be code nerds, and they may fit on a different committee. And, you know, there are other examples on, you know,
Our plans committee.

4360
09:16:26,840 --> 09:16:26,840
some people would be a great fit for that. And others strengths may not be,
As you know, lent to that.

4361
09:16:32,560 --> 09:16:32,560
so we definitely do take into account geographic representation,
But ultimately that is one important factor.

4362
09:16:40,120 --> 09:16:40,120
but ultimately, I want to assemble the best,
And I think cpc wants its committees assembled with the best people possible for each

4363
09:16:46,840 --> 09:16:46,840
task. So really just staffing to where the expertise is for the deep dive portion of it.

4364
09:16:53,040 --> 09:16:53,040
and then we each get to appoint someone. So that's where it comes back and gets the level
View correct.

4365
09:16:59,640 --> 09:16:59,640
and everything that comes out of one of our committees goes up through cpc,
At which point,

4366
09:17:05,480 --> 09:17:05,480
you know, there are 14 single member districts plus the mayor's appointee that weigh in on
The items.

4367
09:17:11,800 --> 09:17:11,800
and then it typically on the majority of items actually goes up to council.

4368
09:17:16,240 --> 09:17:16,240
so the geographic perspective, you know, definitely gets taken into account,
You know, in the process that counts cpc and council.

4369
09:17:25,040 --> 09:17:25,040
and there's certainly thought given to geographic diversity as well and committee
Appointments.

4370
09:17:30,600 --> 09:17:30,600
so the district leveling could happen more if we all really went and found those code
Nerds or people who are just.

4371
09:17:39,270 --> 09:17:39,270
I mean, we had a level of expertise. It might be easier to do that kind of distribution,
But if you've got people weighing one,

4372
09:17:47,830 --> 09:17:47,830
you know, more in one area and maybe not as much in another,
It might be harder.

4373
09:17:52,510 --> 09:17:52,510
I mean, I know from what you're telling me, I would rather have the expertise in those
Work sessions to come up and really discuss and debate and then

4374
09:18:02,310 --> 09:18:02,310
bring it to the body where every there is equal representation because we've all got one
Appointee.

4375
09:18:08,510 --> 09:18:08,510
and so I, I believe I'll respect the work of the committee and stick to the language you
All proposed.

4376
09:18:16,390 --> 09:18:16,390
thank you. Councilwoman blair. Hey chair, how are you today?

4377
09:18:23,070 --> 09:18:23,070
doing well. I understand. I was just there for six years.

4378
09:18:28,670 --> 09:18:28,670
is it not accurate that as our appointees, most of us have jobs.

4379
09:18:35,470 --> 09:18:35,470
yes. Is it not fair to to say that those that had jobs,
They participate as much as their jobs,

4380
09:18:45,190 --> 09:18:45,190
will afford them the opportunity to participate in committees,
Especially committees that are very entrenched?

4381
09:18:54,910 --> 09:18:58,270
yes, definitely. Different members have different bandwidths. I'm fortunate to have an employer that allows me to juggle cpc and work,
But not everyone has that.

4382
09:19:06,710 --> 09:19:06,710
is it not fair to also say that you get to appoint the members of committees with,
Because you are the chair of

4383
09:19:16,470 --> 09:19:16,470
cpc? Yes. Subject to approval of the cpc. Absolutely.

4384
09:19:21,990 --> 09:19:21,990
is it not fair to also state that as a committee member and those of us that are or those
Of them that have jobs that they also had the

4385
09:19:31,740 --> 09:19:31,740
opportunity to participate virtually. Yes. So is it not fair to also say that there has
Been

4386
09:19:42,420 --> 09:19:42,420
times when people have been appointed and just were unable to participate,
As one would wish them to be able to participate?

4387
09:19:51,740 --> 09:19:51,740
having served on cpc for over six years now,
I don't want to denigrate anyone's service, but some people have,

4388
09:20:00,580 --> 09:20:00,580
based on bandwidth and other things, you know,
Lived up to the demands of the position on committees or cpc better than others.

4389
09:20:09,980 --> 09:20:09,980
so it is always your goal to provide leadership as well as to,
To appoint people who have the bandwidth

4390
09:20:19,900 --> 09:20:19,900
to serve in, in committees that can do justice to each one of those committees.

4391
09:20:25,820 --> 09:20:25,820
yes. And I'll say that sometimes people approach me and say,
I don't think I can serve on committee x,

4392
09:20:31,420 --> 09:20:31,420
y, or z because the lift is too heavy. And between my regular cpc work,
I don't think I can serve on x committee.

4393
09:20:39,940 --> 09:20:39,940
and is it not also fair, especially at this time of the season when you're looking at code
Reform?

4394
09:20:46,460 --> 09:20:46,460
zoe has had heavy lifts. Yes. So has a heavy lift coming up for sure as it's the vice
Chair of zoe.

4395
09:20:55,540 --> 09:20:55,540
I understand the commitment. I didn't have a job,
So it was easy for me to serve.

4396
09:21:00,220 --> 09:21:00,220
and there are some that have very intense employment that that is not as easy.

4397
09:21:08,260 --> 09:21:08,260
so I am going to stick with what is what is prescribed by cpc,
And let it be

4398
09:21:18,060 --> 09:21:18,060
your goal. And not that you will, because if you say that you will and you can't because
You cannot get the

4399
09:21:27,340 --> 09:21:31,140
participation that we need. Then we're left with a big hole. It's not not correct. Thank you, council member roth.

4400
09:21:39,100 --> 09:21:39,100
thank you for being here. I'm sorry it's so late,
But but this this document, I have some problems with a couple of the items,

4401
09:21:47,860 --> 09:21:47,860
and I really need some clarification. In your I want to understand in section £0.07 when
You've added

4402
09:21:57,780 --> 09:21:57,780
that, that what, what is the explanation of if a member receives an ex parte communication
To a subdivision matter

4403
09:22:08,060 --> 09:22:11,020
that they. Point of order, mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. That addresses the underlying motion, not the amendment.

4404
09:22:14,900 --> 09:22:14,900
oh. I'm sorry. Sustained. Let's stick to the amendment.

4405
09:22:19,300 --> 09:22:19,300
okay. I'm sorry. We'll. So we'll have an ability to approve this later on a different
Amendment.

4406
09:22:27,010 --> 09:22:27,010
okay. I'll I'll, I'll, I'll save my comment. Okay.

4407
09:22:31,810 --> 09:22:35,410
seeing no further discussion on the amendment. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed?

4408
09:22:40,290 --> 09:22:40,290
nay. Sounds like the nays. Got it. So now we're back on the main motion.

4409
09:22:47,050 --> 09:22:50,850
seeing no further discussion. Now I have some discussion. Okay. Go ahead, mr. Roff. Get back now. I'm now.

4410
09:22:58,410 --> 09:23:00,730
thank you for. I'm sorry. I was clumsy in my question. Good. In in exhibit in section £0.07 would you please explain to me what what contemplated
Discussions are are

4411
09:23:10,330 --> 09:23:10,330
involved in that ex parte communication and who does it apply to?

4412
09:23:14,530 --> 09:23:17,250
sure. And this may be a question that the city. I will do my best to feel that I apologize. I did not get to print a copy of our the
Amendments.

4413
09:23:22,930 --> 09:23:22,930
but our subdivision matters. Plots and the like are quasi judicial,
Which means all the discussion needs to happen at the

4414
09:23:32,730 --> 09:23:32,730
horseshoe. And we had an issue where people would be emailing members of cpc and we would
Have to disclose that.

4415
09:23:40,850 --> 09:23:40,850
so we did want to find an orderly way to get public comment on subdivision items when
Someone wouldn't be able to attend the meeting.

4416
09:23:51,090 --> 09:23:51,090
so the way that we do that without having inappropriate ex parte communications is to have
All of those funneled through our cpc secretary,

4417
09:24:00,370 --> 09:24:00,370
and then the secretary provides those to us at the public hearing.

4418
09:24:05,010 --> 09:24:05,010
so so I'm trying to understand how does this work in reality?

4419
09:24:09,650 --> 09:24:09,650
I mean, if people are are concerned about a zoning case,
They're concerned about something or they're and they're talking to a cpc member that

4420
09:24:19,160 --> 09:24:19,160
that's in their district or that's involved with something that's not they have to,
You have that person has to disclose it or you can't talk to that person.

4421
09:24:27,480 --> 09:24:27,480
this does not apply to regular zoning cases. It only applies to plats because our zoning
Cases are discretionary.

4422
09:24:34,200 --> 09:24:34,200
we can have communications for the horseshoe at the horseshoe,
You know, outside of the public meeting about a zoning case.

4423
09:24:41,440 --> 09:24:41,440
but because our plats are quasi-judicial and I don't know if miss morrison can as an
Assistant city attorney,

4424
09:24:50,960 --> 09:24:50,960
mr. Mayor, if I might go ahead, because platting and subdivision is a quasi judicial
Function of the city planning commission,

4425
09:24:59,880 --> 09:24:59,880
there can be no ex parte communication. The practice has always been that if someone does
Have ex parte communication,

4426
09:25:06,320 --> 09:25:06,320
because it does occasionally happen, sometimes by accident,
Someone sends you an email, you don't know what it is. You open it to cure that,

4427
09:25:13,480 --> 09:25:13,480
that to cure the the issue. It is then distributed to everybody.

4428
09:25:17,960 --> 09:25:17,960
so everybody gets the communication and it's not just given to one member.

4429
09:25:22,400 --> 09:25:22,400
this just appears to just codify the practice that we use to court that we use to cure
That,

4430
09:25:28,280 --> 09:25:28,280
because a quasi judicial function cannot have any.

4431
09:25:32,320 --> 09:25:32,320
it's like a judge in the court. You can't have any ex parte communication with the judge.

4432
09:25:37,280 --> 09:25:40,920
this is how we cure it at the city plan commission. I think this is a problematic deal. And I think this opens us up to a lot of.

4433
09:25:46,360 --> 09:25:46,360
it really chills the ability of people to to talk to,
To their to their representatives.

4434
09:25:51,960 --> 09:25:51,960
it, it chills the ability for, for people to innocently you know,
Try to get information.

4435
09:25:59,000 --> 09:25:59,000
and again, I'm, I, I think it's, it's a stumbling block into creating conflicts or to
Creating violations unintentionally.

4436
09:26:08,960 --> 09:26:12,360
if I may, again, this only applies to subdivision. It does not apply to all the zoning. This is no different than the board of adjustment,
Which has quasi judicial authority.

4437
09:26:18,070 --> 09:26:21,550
in that case, you can only make your case at the hearing. The same thing with subdivision. You make your case at the hearing.

4438
09:26:26,150 --> 09:26:26,150
okay. I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. The second thing is that you've got a definition
In in that the,

4439
09:26:34,270 --> 09:26:34,270
on the the committees that I'd like a clarification on.

4440
09:26:38,950 --> 09:26:38,950
it says that at least two residents possessing expertise relevant,
I'm sorry, two residents who qualify as neighborhood advocates

4441
09:26:48,630 --> 09:26:48,630
that that qualification is located in a couple definitions of committees that that the
Chairman can appoint.

4442
09:26:57,270 --> 09:26:57,270
what what is the qualifications for a person who is a neighborhood advocate?

4443
09:27:04,030 --> 09:27:04,030
what does that mean? It's not a defined term,
But I would just say it's someone who has experience advocating for neighborhoods on

4444
09:27:13,230 --> 09:27:13,230
zoning related issues. You know, there are people who we see down at the horseshoe on a
Regular basis on zoning cases,

4445
09:27:21,310 --> 09:27:21,310
and they're the vicinity of their neighborhood who,
You know, speak up and advocate for the neighborhood concerns.

4446
09:27:27,590 --> 09:27:27,590
and that's someone who has a sort of expertise that I think is really important to have
On.

4447
09:27:33,790 --> 09:27:33,790
and, you know, under the previous zoe composition,
That wasn't in there at all, it was just nine people.

4448
09:27:41,630 --> 09:27:41,630
my, my difficulty here is, is words matter. Clarification matters.

4449
09:27:47,190 --> 09:27:47,190
and, and the chair is, is got a lot of power to,
To appoint people.

4450
09:27:52,430 --> 09:27:52,430
and if you don't know what the definition is,
If we don't know what the qualifications are,

4451
09:27:57,830 --> 09:27:57,830
it doesn't say a particular neighborhood. It doesn't say what a neighborhood advocate
Means.

4452
09:28:02,510 --> 09:28:02,510
it really is sort of a open ended, silly type of a of an explanation and description.

4453
09:28:09,670 --> 09:28:09,670
to me, this is not a good drafting of an ordinance.

4454
09:28:14,180 --> 09:28:14,180
and to me, I think that that's something that should be changed or should be at least
Revisited.

4455
09:28:20,420 --> 09:28:20,420
and again, look, I'm not trying to, to to kill a,
A, an ordinance.

4456
09:28:28,020 --> 09:28:28,020
what I'm trying to do is make sure that it can be enforced,
That it's transparent, that if somebody who you're a good guy,

4457
09:28:34,780 --> 09:28:34,780
but your successor may not be. So I just want to make sure that who's ever investigating
This stuff can use this document effectively and is

4458
09:28:44,660 --> 09:28:44,660
not using it improperly. And so I wouldn't I'm not approving this.

4459
09:28:49,180 --> 09:28:52,740
I don't think this document is ready for approval yet. Thank you, councilmember west. I'm just going to ask the chairman how many how long did
You guys work on this as a body?

4460
09:29:01,820 --> 09:29:01,820
we had our rules committee take a look at it first,
And they gave it a good scrub and made several tweaks to it,

4461
09:29:11,060 --> 09:29:11,060
and then it went to the cpc. I believe we took it up at a single meeting there,
But there was robust discussion,

4462
09:29:21,380 --> 09:29:21,380
including on the neighborhood advocate point.

4463
09:29:25,900 --> 09:29:25,900
and, you know, the body discussed that and ultimately,
I believe, unanimously agreed to it.

4464
09:29:32,420 --> 09:29:32,420
I kind of, you know, hate to use the potter stewart example,
But we all know a neighborhood advocate when we see it at the cpc.

4465
09:29:40,540 --> 09:29:40,540
you know, it is those people who have shown up and have been an influential voice on
Zoning cases on behalf of neighborhood.

4466
09:29:47,140 --> 09:29:47,140
and that's a new addition. I just want to emphasize,
You know, there was nothing in there about neighborhood advocacy,

4467
09:29:55,020 --> 09:29:55,020
neighborhood representation on cpc or on zone before this latest round of code rules,
Amendments.

4468
09:30:03,540 --> 09:30:03,540
well, and and in terms of passing the rules,
What was the vote from cpc?

4469
09:30:10,410 --> 09:30:10,410
unanimous, unanimous support from our appointed body by the 15 of us.

4470
09:30:15,450 --> 09:30:19,450
thank you for your hard work. Thank you staff,
For your hard work on this. I support this item fully. Thank you. Okay. Seeing no further discussion.

4471
09:30:23,610 --> 09:30:27,610
thank you so much, mr. Rubin, for being here so late in your capacity as a volunteer. We really appreciate your work. All those in favor,
Say aye.

4472
09:30:31,530 --> 09:30:31,530
any opposed? Yes. I'm opposed. Absolutely. Motion prevails.

4473
09:30:39,290 --> 09:30:42,610
thank you. Noted. Mr. Mayor. Next item, please. Agenda item 84. Authorize a professional services contract with hewitt dollars inc
Approved as to form by the city

4474
09:30:52,210 --> 09:30:52,210
attorney for architectural, engineering and construction administration services for a new
Vehicle maintenance facility at southeast

4475
09:31:02,210 --> 09:31:02,210
service center, located at 2761 municipal street,
Not to exceed $1,026,908.

4476
09:31:10,210 --> 09:31:10,210
this is your item, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion?

4477
09:31:14,330 --> 09:31:14,330
I heard a motion and a second. Seeing no discussion.

4478
09:31:19,250 --> 09:31:19,250
okay. Go ahead, miss mendelsohn. Thank you. Could you explain the current state of the
Building?

4479
09:31:39,170 --> 09:31:39,170
good evening. Yes, miss mendelsohn, the current state of the building is in a great state
Of disrepair.

4480
09:31:44,730 --> 09:31:44,730
it's very old. It's been under water, I think,
A couple times.

4481
09:31:51,330 --> 09:31:51,330
so. So when I was there and you gave me a tour,
Literally part of the building was flooded.

4482
09:31:58,250 --> 09:31:58,250
we couldn't even go into the conference room because there was standing water. Yes,
Ma'am.

4483
09:32:03,480 --> 09:32:03,480
there was a bathroom that was broken out of order you couldn't go into.

4484
09:32:09,000 --> 09:32:09,000
yes, ma'am. There's another bathroom where sewage was coming back into the building.

4485
09:32:14,520 --> 09:32:14,520
yes, ma'am. Paint's peeling all through the building.

4486
09:32:18,880 --> 09:32:18,880
yes, ma'am. And there's no air conditioning? Yes,
Ma'am.

4487
09:32:24,360 --> 09:32:27,680
and even the box fans in the window don't seem to be air conditioning. They're just a fan, right? Correct. But we did put.

4488
09:32:32,640 --> 09:32:32,640
we did put fans in. There are fans at the base for for the technicians for some relief.

4489
09:32:41,800 --> 09:32:41,800
yes. But no air conditioning? No, ma'am. So this money isn't going to fix any of those
Things,

4490
09:32:50,920 --> 09:32:50,920
is it? No, ma'am. This money and this this bond package that we're after would be to build
A standalone building and not address any of those issues.

4491
09:33:00,120 --> 09:33:00,120
and why do you need the standalone building? Currently,
About 60 of the vehicles that we have do not fit inside this building,

4492
09:33:07,920 --> 09:33:11,800
and some that do barely fit inside the building. So in order to get staff inside off the gravel out of the parking lot,
Out of the rain and out of the wind to service these vehicles correctly,

4493
09:33:22,400 --> 09:33:22,400
we need to get them inside the building. So the staff's been working on big trucks out in
The parking lot,

4494
09:33:29,680 --> 09:33:29,680
either in the full sun or the one shade structure that's been built.

4495
09:33:34,680 --> 09:33:34,680
is that right? Yes, ma'am. But we're going to put money into adding is it four new bays or
Six new bays?

4496
09:33:43,920 --> 09:33:43,920
no, ma'am. The concept was a stand alone structure that we could add.

4497
09:33:48,640 --> 09:33:48,640
and you're the discussion when you came out there was beneficial and how we might view it,

4498
09:33:53,560 --> 09:33:53,560
but it was always a stand alone structure. And when they said four bays,
What they meant was four drive through bays so that we could have a total of eight bays.

4499
09:34:03,270 --> 09:34:03,270
and I've got dimensions for everything that we would,
And also be able to move the parts room into that same new construction.

4500
09:34:10,750 --> 09:34:14,750
so so this is the super important question. Yes,
Ma'am. So we just went through that. The current service center building where you're working on
The vehicles is in terrible shape.

4501
09:34:21,550 --> 09:34:21,550
yes, ma'am. I mean, honestly, it's the worst building I've seen in the city.

4502
09:34:26,070 --> 09:34:26,070
and that's saying something. Yes, ma'am. Are you moving the people out of that building to
Move to the new eight bays?

4503
09:34:34,590 --> 09:34:34,590
we would move all the all the all the two thirds of the staff would be able to come out of
There,

4504
09:34:40,270 --> 09:34:40,270
including the part staff. The small segment to the where the most of the squads are
Operated would still be intact based on what

4505
09:34:50,270 --> 09:34:53,270
we have in terms of the bond money available to build. So there's roughly another 8 to 10 bays on the smaller on the light vehicle side,
That's class zero through three zero through two vehicles.

4506
09:35:02,750 --> 09:35:02,750
so so we would move like your police cars. That's your code compliance cars,
Transportation cars.

4507
09:35:09,350 --> 09:35:09,350
that's, that's what you're going to still have people work on in these terrible
Conditions.

4508
09:35:14,670 --> 09:35:14,670
and you're going to build the taller bays, eight stations,
Correct.

4509
09:35:20,310 --> 09:35:20,310
for driveways for, I don't know, drive thrus,
Pull thrus.

4510
09:35:24,830 --> 09:35:24,830
correct. But more than half the people are actually going to stay in the old building.

4511
09:35:31,230 --> 09:35:34,430
not it's probably slightly less than half that facility there. About 60% of its work is heavy duty work. They do,
We do do a lot of police at that.

4512
09:35:40,510 --> 09:35:42,710
there's two districts of police there as well. So there are a lot of light duty vehicles there,
But a little more than half that staff would get to move out of that building.

4513
09:35:49,030 --> 09:35:49,030
so I know I asked you this question previously,
Could the taller buildings actually the taller,

4514
09:35:56,110 --> 09:35:59,270
trucks, could they just be serviced at a different service center? We have four, right? Correct. Not from a distance perspective,
You know, and I and I and I've heard this it's really not convenient.

4515
09:36:09,190 --> 09:36:09,190
I, I don't want to say convenient. It creates a lot of what we call deadhead time
Transportation costs and staff associated with moving vehicles throughout the city.

4516
09:36:17,670 --> 09:36:21,430
central cannot take any more heavy duty trucks. In terms of, from a repair perspective we might be able to do some more up at the
Northeast service center,

4517
09:36:29,470 --> 09:36:29,470
but that's through town. That's probably, I'm guessing 8 to 10 miles of travel time where
Staff now begins just driving vehicles around the city.

4518
09:36:39,430 --> 09:36:39,430
and the assignment of the vehicles is, is unique to the department's sanitation,
Decides dpd decides what they need to service the residents.

4519
09:36:49,190 --> 09:36:52,910
so those vehicles being parked are very deliberate. Well, I'm just going to say I don't necessarily have a problem with building these new
Bays,

4520
09:36:59,260 --> 09:36:59,260
but I have a huge problem with allowing people to continue working in the conditions that
They are in your old bays.

4521
09:37:05,980 --> 09:37:05,980
and I would rather build a new building and totally either,
I mean, code compliance shouldn't even let that building stand.

4522
09:37:15,060 --> 09:37:17,780
if this was a private business, that thing be shut down. It doesn't meet any of our codes. You can't you can't operate a business without air
Conditioning.

4523
09:37:23,780 --> 09:37:23,780
I mean, this is it's a it's a hazard. And we have employees there,
And it's only a testament to,

4524
09:37:31,380 --> 09:37:31,380
frankly, your charming personality that your people have stayed with you because anybody
Else would leave.

4525
09:37:39,100 --> 09:37:39,100
these are terrible working conditions. And so I don't know how it needs to be managed,
Whether the big vehicles need to go to another service center and you need to

4526
09:37:48,980 --> 09:37:48,980
just replace the bays you have now, whether it needs more money to actually solve this
Issue.

4527
09:37:56,340 --> 09:37:56,340
but it's not enough. And it's not okay to just say,
Let's add these eight new bays.

4528
09:38:02,780 --> 09:38:02,780
it's not understood. I find this proposition completely unacceptable.

4529
09:38:13,660 --> 09:38:13,660
I think after, you know, after looking at what exists out there and talking with my peers
And professionals,

4530
09:38:20,820 --> 09:38:23,740
I think there's ways to phase in a solution to this. But I recognize and understand. Absolutely. We want to get that staff out of those
Buildings as quick as possible.

4531
09:38:31,020 --> 09:38:31,020
but can we phase in the heavy stuff, the parts then be able to and as funding becomes
Available,

4532
09:38:39,620 --> 09:38:39,620
then move the rest of the and then and then remove the whole facility.

4533
09:38:43,740 --> 09:38:43,740
I think that's well, I would just say to you that I came to visit for the first time.

4534
09:38:53,450 --> 09:38:53,450
I don't think you get a lot of council members coming out there to visit.

4535
09:38:58,130 --> 09:38:58,130
you're not going to be the highest priority. You're totally behind the scenes,
And I don't know how many people have even seen the other service centers,

4536
09:39:05,170 --> 09:39:05,170
but I know that should not be happening in our city.

4537
09:39:09,690 --> 09:39:09,690
and it's not okay for our our employees. For every person on this council that sits there
And is pro labor,

4538
09:39:16,890 --> 09:39:16,890
how do you let this be okay? I don't know. I,
I'm not okay with this item because we're missing the mark.

4539
09:39:24,690 --> 09:39:24,690
we're solving the wrong problem here. We didn't we've never been okay with this as a,
You know,

4540
09:39:30,850 --> 09:39:30,850
but in the pool of time that we've been here and given credit back to three years ago,
We really dug this out of the mothballs.

4541
09:39:40,010 --> 09:39:40,010
we had group meetings here, you know, with staff down there,
Found out what a lot of the pain points were.

4542
09:39:47,210 --> 09:39:47,210
we looked at old building plans. We looked at the northwest service center,
Some of the footprints that exist.

4543
09:39:53,050 --> 09:39:53,050
what was a good solution? Well, I was hoping this item would change.

4544
09:39:59,970 --> 09:39:59,970
I'm going to post pictures from my visit, which I haven't done previously,
But I'm not supporting this item because this is the wrong item.

4545
09:40:07,850 --> 09:40:07,850
the service center needs something different and it needs that building to not flood.

4546
09:40:14,570 --> 09:40:18,370
I mean, there's like mosquitoes that are trying miss mendelsohn. If I could, mr. Mayor. Sure. Go ahead. I just wanted to make a couple of comments,
And I do want to thank councilwoman mendelsohn for her comments.

4547
09:40:24,570 --> 09:40:24,570
I've been to the service center several times and we're very well aware of the conditions.

4548
09:40:29,970 --> 09:40:29,970
I think that's why I was extremely important during the 2024 bond program discussion,
When staff presented several critical facility needs.

4549
09:40:38,850 --> 09:40:38,850
whether we're talking about the maintenance facilities,
We're talking about the current animal shelter,

4550
09:40:43,690 --> 09:40:43,690
we know that there are serious deficiencies across our portfolio of facilities.

4551
09:40:51,160 --> 09:40:51,160
this item is to move something forward that actually should have been done a long time
Ago.

4552
09:40:55,240 --> 09:40:58,920
and we're not saying that it's the all in fix,
But it's a start. And I think as we continue to look at overall facilities,
As we're working now to get to the real estate master plan,

4553
09:41:07,080 --> 09:41:07,080
the work that we're trying to do and how we look at our general fund,
We know that we've got to continue to look for resources to begin to do better and

4554
09:41:15,200 --> 09:41:15,200
continue those improvements. And so I want to applaud the staff for continuing to push for
Us to at least start and not wait until we have a full blown solution,

4555
09:41:23,120 --> 09:41:23,120
because it will never do anything. And we'll be talking about this ten years from now,
Which is how we got here today.

4556
09:41:27,960 --> 09:41:27,960
so I wanted to thank the team for bringing this item forward,
And I do hope council will support us at least starting and let us continue to work on

4557
09:41:35,240 --> 09:41:35,240
ways that we can even make better improvements in what we know those conditions are for
Those employees in that particular department.

4558
09:41:41,560 --> 09:41:41,560
so thank you so much for your efforts. Council member stewart.

4559
09:41:47,440 --> 09:41:47,440
thank you. Mayor. I too have had the tour. And it's it's hard to describe.

4560
09:41:54,760 --> 09:41:54,760
I mean, it is truly awful. The paint peeling on the ceiling is in very large,
You know, large pieces and I,

4561
09:42:03,480 --> 09:42:03,480
I won't walk through. I think council member mendelsohn has walked us through what the
Issues are.

4562
09:42:09,120 --> 09:42:09,120
but what I will say is you've put a lot of time and effort into this,
Thought it through,

4563
09:42:14,240 --> 09:42:14,240
worked with your employees, worked with other resources in the city and you have a plan.

4564
09:42:20,320 --> 09:42:20,320
and I think at this point in time, what we can do is stand behind this man and support him
In this plan.

4565
09:42:28,040 --> 09:42:31,600
I think it's probably the best next step. Is it the perfect step? No. Does it address all of the needs? No. Is there more to do there?

4566
09:42:36,400 --> 09:42:36,400
absolutely. And I would ask each one of you to remember that at 1018 on the night that we
Were here till probably midnight,

4567
09:42:44,710 --> 09:42:44,710
we. We noticed. We stopped for a minute. We paused and we went,
Oh my goodness, we are asking people to come to work in this in these

4568
09:42:54,230 --> 09:42:54,230
conditions. And I mean to tell you, if you want to go to lunch,
If you want to meet me out there,

4569
09:42:59,590 --> 09:42:59,590
I mean, it's, it's not good. It is not good. But this is a step forward.

4570
09:43:07,070 --> 09:43:10,990
how can we say no to a step forward? Right? This is a plan. This is not a half baked plan. This is a plan that's been thoroughly thought through with
The resources that we have and the moment.

4571
09:43:19,230 --> 09:43:19,230
so I completely support this item. But this is not the last piece of this.

4572
09:43:25,070 --> 09:43:28,270
there is more to go and we need to remember that. Thank you. Council member west. Thank you. I mean,
We are we all have been talking about the city hall discussion for months now,

4573
09:43:38,030 --> 09:43:38,030
and they're at each other's throats over it because of the predecessors of our past and
Past city managers not putting money into the

4574
09:43:47,550 --> 09:43:47,550
facilities. And so we're faced with a massive amount that we're trying to have come up
With to fix this building.

4575
09:43:54,230 --> 09:43:54,230
so this is a step in the right direction for this facility.

4576
09:43:58,710 --> 09:43:58,710
you know that we're trying to take today, if we don't do it,
It's just going to compound the problem later.

4577
09:44:03,590 --> 09:44:06,110
so I commend you and your team for putting this together. City manager for taking steps in the right direction.

4578
09:44:08,790 --> 09:44:08,790
thank you. Council member mendelsohn. Okay, so I'm going to go back to this.

4579
09:44:13,070 --> 09:44:13,070
yes, ma'am. The real issue here is that the current building needs to be condemned or
Repaired.

4580
09:44:20,830 --> 09:44:20,830
and it's just as simple as that. Like, I don't think anyone should be there at work
Tomorrow.

4581
09:44:25,670 --> 09:44:25,670
it's that bad. And if we were anything but the city,
We would have the city go out and they would shut it down.

4582
09:44:34,030 --> 09:44:34,030
you would absolutely shut this down. And yet we're not fixing this building.

4583
09:44:39,380 --> 09:44:41,780
we're just going to keep adding more stuff on that. We're then going to need to repair and maintain,
But we're not repairing and maintaining the thing we have.

4584
09:44:48,700 --> 09:44:48,700
so if it's not worthy of repairing and maintaining what we have now,
Why are we building something new?

4585
09:44:56,740 --> 09:44:56,740
why are you adding on something new that will now add another thing that we have to
Maintain in our portfolio.

4586
09:45:03,340 --> 09:45:03,340
when we have something so bad that the city would immediately shut it down?

4587
09:45:08,860 --> 09:45:08,860
code compliance would not allow this to be open.

4588
09:45:13,980 --> 09:45:13,980
like be shocked. But yet we're going to allocate money to crazy things like tml so that
Someone can be a board member.

4589
09:45:21,300 --> 09:45:21,300
and this is where our priorities are 100% wrong.

4590
09:45:25,700 --> 09:45:25,700
so okay, you know, I'm mad that we are not doing something about this current building.

4591
09:45:35,260 --> 09:45:39,060
should you have one that has eight new bays and it's tall. Sure. I don't know if you're going to rotate people back and forth,
But if I can find a way to condemn that building,

4592
09:45:46,860 --> 09:45:46,860
I would do it. Understood. I mean, there's a lot there's almost 50 vehicles that pass
Through there a day to make two districts of police

4593
09:45:56,740 --> 09:45:56,740
run. Public works, snow operations, you name it,
Through that city.

4594
09:46:01,540 --> 09:46:01,540
and you're right. It's worth the investment and the crew and the tools to take care of
This stuff.

4595
09:46:08,820 --> 09:46:08,820
yeah, but the answer is not. It's too far away to go to one of the other service centers.

4596
09:46:14,380 --> 09:46:17,780
like maybe the whole service center should just be shut down. That is a solution. And I'm sorry if you want to say 8 to 10 miles is too much,
Because I drive more than that every single day to come here.

4597
09:46:26,380 --> 09:46:26,380
well, I know what it is. It's it's a way of moving inefficiencies around.

4598
09:46:31,460 --> 09:46:31,460
all you do is take not having that location and then turn it into police officers driving
Vehicles all over the city instead of getting them serviced

4599
09:46:41,330 --> 09:46:41,330
and returned on a daily basis. And so you know,
That location is strategic and it's valuable,

4600
09:46:50,410 --> 09:46:50,410
and it has the size and capacity to service the mccomas landfill every morning.

4601
09:46:54,850 --> 09:46:54,850
there's a, there's a line of vehicles that come out of that landfill needing service of
Some measure.

4602
09:47:00,450 --> 09:47:00,450
and so I think there's just a lot of things that happen automatically.

4603
09:47:05,570 --> 09:47:05,570
and maybe we don't do a good job of telling you about the things that we do,
Do the successes that we have,

4604
09:47:13,170 --> 09:47:13,170
but but we do do it. You did. I think you actually did a beautiful job at that.

4605
09:47:18,850 --> 09:47:22,330
I'm talking about the conditions that people are working in. Sure. And it's just as simple as that. And I, like I said,
I'm just going to post the pictures online and we'll see what people think.

4606
09:47:32,090 --> 09:47:32,090
councilwoman. Blackmon. Okay, so I'm looking at the item and reading the resolution.

4607
09:47:40,330 --> 09:47:40,330
okay. Is this are we are we just doing maintenance or is this a new vehicle maintenance
Facility?

4608
09:47:47,010 --> 09:47:47,010
ma'am, this would be a new we have a patch of area that we call the rock lot
Affectionately.

4609
09:47:53,890 --> 09:47:53,890
and that area would be the new standalone building that we would move.

4610
09:47:58,530 --> 09:47:58,530
ideally these eight bays, some parts rooms or the parts room,
Some office and then have it built so that when we can afford to add the

4611
09:48:08,170 --> 09:48:08,170
automotive component and the funding's available,
We can then add that component to it.

4612
09:48:12,810 --> 09:48:12,810
but at least once we got the eight bays in place and the parts in place,
We could fit all the large class seven and eight vehicles into that building for service.

4613
09:48:22,490 --> 09:48:22,490
so that would cure the guys working in the gravel lots,
Crawling around on the gravel, lots to fix vehicles.

4614
09:48:29,010 --> 09:48:29,010
and and then we could also move the parts, and it would allow you to condemn and remove
Almost two thirds of the existing building.

4615
09:48:36,400 --> 09:48:40,240
okay, so it's only going okay, two thirds comes down,
One third gets renovated. Now the two thirds that would remove are not really something that's part of this bond
Proposal or,

4616
09:48:45,880 --> 09:48:45,880
or, you know, but if we vacated them like we're talking about,
They become fair game to remove as funding becomes available.

4617
09:48:56,960 --> 09:48:56,960
one thing to add, I'm jenny and I just wondered the bond office and something that we put
In the june 5th friday memo that was talked about this item is that we do recognize

4618
09:49:06,840 --> 09:49:06,840
that this would be the first phase for this southeast for the fleet,
The southeast service center.

4619
09:49:13,040 --> 09:49:13,040
and so one of the things that we're looking at is,
Is getting a plan, I wouldn't call it a master plan because it's just for this particular

4620
09:49:21,480 --> 09:49:21,480
section for these four buildings to see how we can phase the last third of that building
Out and what that would look like.

4621
09:49:28,840 --> 09:49:28,840
so we would be set up for the next bond program to finish out and get everybody out of
That building.

4622
09:49:34,200 --> 09:49:38,160
so. So is that part of this? No, that's the second part. Second the second part. This is the initial start to be able to build the base that
They've identified.

4623
09:49:44,680 --> 09:49:47,520
because we know that that's not going to be enough. And we need to have additional resources to be able to do the second part.

4624
09:49:50,960 --> 09:49:50,960
okay. Then we can actually do tear it down and do the very things that I know that
Councilwoman mendelsohn is talking about,

4625
09:49:56,600 --> 09:49:56,600
but this is the start. Okay. To get there because it says that there was 90% schematic
Design in 2012.

4626
09:50:05,160 --> 09:50:05,160
in 2012. Yes. And so this was originally part of the 2006 bond program.

4627
09:50:11,520 --> 09:50:14,560
I believe it was probably funded towards the end. The design came in and and they were able to get to about 90% of the schematic design.

4628
09:50:21,120 --> 09:50:21,120
and, and I think we expended about 100,000 $160,000 of the original contract.

4629
09:50:26,840 --> 09:50:26,840
so there has been work on it and we can see if there's anything that we can,
You know, utilize or expand from.

4630
09:50:32,040 --> 09:50:32,040
but yes, there was work done in 2012. And so when we talk about this plan,
Do we have this is going to be the plan to get us the plan.

4631
09:50:43,200 --> 09:50:46,240
what we're doing right now will be, yes, it'll be the plan. So they'll take that concept. And if it if it works,
Then that's great.

4632
09:50:50,000 --> 09:50:50,000
we can build on it. But if not, we we're certainly scoped so that we can start a brand new
Look at it as well.

4633
09:50:56,440 --> 09:50:56,440
so we're just waiting for that notice to proceed so we can get into the room and talk to
His staff and see what's the best step forward.

4634
09:51:03,760 --> 09:51:03,760
well, and it looks like the next bond won't be till like 2030 anyway.

4635
09:51:08,680 --> 09:51:08,680
so okay. Thank you. Can can I just jump in one more time,
Mr.

4636
09:51:14,040 --> 09:51:14,040
mayor? And so I do want to be clear. There is no excuse why this had not happened already.

4637
09:51:19,200 --> 09:51:19,200
when we think about bonding bonding funds that were available 2006,
I can't explain it.

4638
09:51:24,720 --> 09:51:24,720
I've asked for information. I think none of the people that are standing up here before
You were responsible for it not being done.

4639
09:51:31,950 --> 09:51:31,950
but what I can tell you is, over this last year,
We've been trying to figure out how to get this across the finish line.

4640
09:51:37,470 --> 09:51:37,470
and that's why this item is here. Don't have any explanation for why this didn't happen
Already.

4641
09:51:42,750 --> 09:51:45,470
and so it's unfortunate, but this is what we have. And we're continuing trying to move this forward so we can get to a better place and be
Able to come up with the additional funding to do much more than what we're doing today.

4642
09:51:53,990 --> 09:51:56,710
so we hope that council will support the item. All right. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

4643
09:52:02,270 --> 09:52:02,270
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

4644
09:52:06,670 --> 09:52:06,670
agenda item 91. Authorized one. Supplemental agreement.

4645
09:52:11,430 --> 09:52:11,430
number two to the professional services contract with m arthur gensler,
Jr and associates,

4646
09:52:17,430 --> 09:52:17,430
inc. Dba gensler for architectural and engineering services to provide for a change in
Scope to meet the time constraints related to the city's

4647
09:52:27,310 --> 09:52:27,310
construction obligation for the secondary facility in an amount not to exceed $379,885,
And to a decrease to

4648
09:52:37,350 --> 09:52:37,350
the original award amount for supplemental agreement number one in an amount not to exceed
$1,100,393.40.

4649
09:52:47,710 --> 09:52:47,710
to eliminate any further design services for the secondary facility total not to exceed
$720,508.40,

4650
09:52:57,630 --> 09:52:57,630
from $30,639,241 to

4651
09:53:04,500 --> 09:53:04,500
$29,918,732.60. The two registered speakers have already addressed the city council.

4652
09:53:13,070 --> 09:53:16,790
therefore, there are no speakers for this item. Mr. Mayor. Is there a motion? Yes. I move to approve this item with the following corrections.

4653
09:53:20,710 --> 09:53:20,710
a decrease to the original ward award in an amount not to exceed $918,828.49,
With a

4654
09:53:30,700 --> 09:53:30,700
total contract amount not to exceed $30,100,297.51,
And with a total reduction in the

4655
09:53:40,700 --> 09:53:40,700
not to exceed amount for the overall contract of $538,943.49.

4656
09:53:49,260 --> 09:53:52,620
is there a second? Okay, we have a motion and a second discussion. Anyone mr. West. Yes. One second. All right. Just for my colleagues

4657
09:54:02,540 --> 09:54:02,540
information, this is a small decrease in funds for the joey g facility.

4658
09:54:07,460 --> 09:54:07,460
the gensler team. Let's see here. Basically,
We changed our scope

4659
09:54:17,220 --> 09:54:17,220
with the developer for the site. The new contract has gensler doing a little bit.

4660
09:54:23,660 --> 09:54:23,660
a little bit different work. Scope of work. Which is why this contract amount was reduced.

4661
09:54:27,780 --> 09:54:31,340
if you have any deep dive questions on this,
I'm going to defer to staff. Thank you. Sounds good. Seeing no further discussion.

4662
09:54:35,260 --> 09:54:38,380
all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Nay. Nay. Noted. Two mr. Mayor. Motion carries.

4663
09:54:42,380 --> 09:54:42,380
next item please. Agenda item 92 is an ordinance authorizing one the issuance

4664
09:54:52,180 --> 09:54:52,180
and sale of city of dallas, texas. Waterworks and sewer system revenue refunding bonds.

4665
09:54:58,060 --> 09:54:58,060
series 2026 a in a principal amount not to exceed $205 million to establishing parameters
Regarding

4666
09:55:08,100 --> 09:55:08,100
the sale of the bonds. Three approving the execution of agreements in connection with the
Sale of the bonds and for all other matters related thereto.

4667
09:55:17,450 --> 09:55:21,450
not to exceed $660,000. This is your item, mr. Mayor. Second, we got a motion and a second. Seeing no discussion.

4668
09:55:27,130 --> 09:55:27,130
all those in favor, please say aye. We already started voting.

4669
09:55:35,650 --> 09:55:35,650
okay. All right. Sounds good. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

4670
09:55:40,850 --> 09:55:40,850
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

4671
09:55:45,410 --> 09:55:45,410
agenda item 93. Authorize the city manager to prepare and present at the august 12th,
2026,

4672
09:55:53,930 --> 09:55:53,930
city council meeting. The actions necessary to call a november 2026 bond election for the
Issuance of one public safety general obligation

4673
09:56:03,890 --> 09:56:03,890
bonds and two pension obligation bonds for the dallas police and fire pension system.

4674
09:56:10,050 --> 09:56:10,050
the registered speaker for this item has already addressed the city council. Therefore,
There are no speakers for this item, mr. Mayor. Do we have a motion?

4675
09:56:20,050 --> 09:56:22,730
we got a motion and a second. I see miss mendelsohn. Go ahead. I have some questions, please.

4676
09:56:32,530 --> 09:56:32,530
I think they might be for jack.

4677
09:56:45,330 --> 09:56:45,330
so there's a number of items. There's a number of items that are listed to be included in
Here.

4678
09:56:54,250 --> 09:56:54,250
are you expecting each one would be a separate proposition or would they be rolled
Together?

4679
09:57:01,490 --> 09:57:01,490
I believe at this point we were thinking that the public safety facilities would be one
Proposition,

4680
09:57:07,530 --> 09:57:10,970
and the pension obligation bonds would be a separate proposition. And what about the fire station? Part of a, I guess,
Public safety proposition, all part of one proposition,

4681
09:57:17,920 --> 09:57:17,920
but I'll let jenny also. So the public safety propositions

4682
09:57:27,800 --> 09:57:31,400
typically include police, fire and emergency facilities. And so we'd have the same type of language that would cover police and fire.

4683
09:57:35,320 --> 09:57:35,320
and one proposition. And are we able to make a motion to ensure that each of those items
Are separate and not rolled together?

4684
09:57:48,720 --> 09:57:48,720
you mean separate proposition might actually be a legal question?

4685
09:57:54,800 --> 09:57:54,800
could you repeat the question, council member,
If it's proper to make a motion to require that each of the public safety facilities be

4686
09:58:04,280 --> 09:58:04,280
presented as individual propositions? So I would have my answer would have been that we
Would be working with

4687
09:58:14,200 --> 09:58:14,200
our bond counsel, julie partain, to figure that out over the next several weeks.

4688
09:58:19,000 --> 09:58:19,000
we really wanted this item today to get direction from council as to whether you wanted a
November election or not,

4689
09:58:26,720 --> 09:58:26,720
and for us to bring back to you on august the 12th,
The propositions, the ordinances, all the things that we needed,

4690
09:58:36,000 --> 09:58:36,000
but we needed some direction before we went off and worked on that.

4691
09:58:43,600 --> 09:58:43,600
and part of that work would be working with our bond council to set up the actual
Propositions.

4692
09:58:52,600 --> 09:58:55,240
we are actually trying to see if our bond council is online. We're checking the the computers right now. Okay.

4693
09:59:00,320 --> 09:59:00,320
well, I'd like to give this feedback first. A law enforcement training complex and a
Public safety training complex don't have specific enough

4694
09:59:10,110 --> 09:59:10,110
names for anyone to understand what the difference is between the two.

4695
09:59:14,190 --> 09:59:14,190
and I would like for there to be some understanding that that is confusing to a voter on
What that

4696
09:59:23,990 --> 09:59:27,910
even is. We generally call it a police academy. There's obviously two locations, and I understand you're trying to distinguish them,
But calling one law enforcement training complex and the other public safety training

4697
09:59:36,270 --> 09:59:36,270
complex doesn't hit the mark on that. Number two,
The 911 center is a poison pill for this entire proposition.

4698
09:59:44,910 --> 09:59:44,910
if it goes in together, this bond will not pass.

4699
09:59:49,510 --> 09:59:49,510
and I personally will vocally try to kill the bond,
Not like the convention center where I never did a single interview.

4700
09:59:59,070 --> 09:59:59,070
I will talk to every single person and say I am the number one public safety supporter in
This city,

4701
10:00:05,350 --> 10:00:08,750
and I will not support this because it's going to move. 911 center out of this building. And we all know exactly what that's about.

4702
10:00:13,750 --> 10:00:13,750
and it's purposeful that you're putting it in with the police academy,
And that's shameful.

4703
10:00:19,550 --> 10:00:19,550
so I'm happy to make a motion to remove it all together,
Or to only be considered if it could be a standalone item.

4704
10:00:28,670 --> 10:00:28,670
we need this police academy built. It is the number one project for the city.

4705
10:00:33,270 --> 10:00:37,070
it's not the convention center. It's not this building. It is the police academy. You think downtown would be lost because they don't get 12 acres
In this building?

4706
10:00:43,910 --> 10:00:43,910
no downtown will be lost if we don't have our public safety under control.

4707
10:00:48,790 --> 10:00:48,790
we have got to get this thing built. And you're playing games by putting the 911 center on
The same ballot.

4708
10:00:56,350 --> 10:00:56,350
mr. Mayor, if I could just jump in, please. I do appreciate the feedback.

4709
10:01:00,510 --> 10:01:00,510
number one, we don't play games. Number two,
Whichever direction that council would like for us to proceed.

4710
10:01:07,540 --> 10:01:07,540
the answer that mr. Ireland gave is that we will be working with the council to determine
The way to best ensure that the public understands what these items are.

4711
10:01:17,420 --> 10:01:17,420
but the continuation of the comments as if staff has done something wrong by bringing this
Item today and that we're playing games with the city council is unacceptable.

4712
10:01:25,460 --> 10:01:25,460
and it's not fair. And I will not continue to sit and let those comments be made as if
We're doing something intentionally.

4713
10:01:33,460 --> 10:01:36,060
we have talked about the public safety academy. We have talked about the other opportunities that we have with this potential bond
Program.

4714
10:01:40,580 --> 10:01:40,580
we're asking council for direction and whatever direction that you give us tonight is how
We will proceed.

4715
10:01:45,820 --> 10:01:45,820
but it is not a game that is being played by me or this staff.

4716
10:01:53,660 --> 10:01:53,660
I will just remind that I am not an employee here.

4717
10:01:58,420 --> 10:02:01,820
I'm an elected official. We don't play games. This is a game that is being played and I'm sorry if you don't recognize it as such.

4718
10:02:07,060 --> 10:02:07,060
my feedback is that these items should not be together,
Not as determined by bond council that is paid by the city that you hire.

4719
10:02:15,940 --> 10:02:15,940
but I'm saying as an elected official, we have a city very divided on very specific
Questions here.

4720
10:02:22,620 --> 10:02:22,620
and if you put them together, this will not pass.

4721
10:02:28,380 --> 10:02:28,380
so that is my input. The fire station, I think.

4722
10:02:34,340 --> 10:02:34,340
why is that not included in new park? Wasn't that part of the plan that they were going to
Build a fire station?

4723
10:02:45,780 --> 10:02:45,780
with the development south here? Weren't they supposed to build a fire station?

4724
10:02:52,140 --> 10:02:55,980
we all heard new park. I don't know what that is. Is that what we're trying to figure out? You said new park.

4725
10:03:00,380 --> 10:03:00,380
the hoke property just south of city hall with a giant abatement.

4726
10:03:07,410 --> 10:03:09,730
aren't they supposed to build a fire station? I'm not aware of hogue building. Any fire station.

4727
10:03:17,450 --> 10:03:17,450
why wasn't fire station number four included in the bond?

4728
10:03:24,130 --> 10:03:24,130
in the last. The last bond? Yeah, we already had station 43 in the bond.

4729
10:03:30,810 --> 10:03:30,810
and as we begin to talk about building a new convention center it was recognized that fire
Station.

4730
10:03:37,650 --> 10:03:37,650
well, I'll let the fire chief talk about it,
But I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and stop that because this that's not what this

4731
10:03:42,930 --> 10:03:45,090
item is about. So I want to make sure we stop. Station number four is one of the items we want.

4732
10:03:48,130 --> 10:03:51,530
I just want to make sure that we're discussing what is posted. I believe that this was already going to be paid for by a development that we had
Previously agreed to.

4733
10:04:01,890 --> 10:04:01,890
I'm not aware of that. Go ahead and continue.

4734
10:04:07,490 --> 10:04:07,490
is robin bentley available?

4735
10:04:41,930 --> 10:04:41,930
good evening. I understand the question is, did the new park developer agree to pay for a
New fire station as part of the complex?

4736
10:04:48,570 --> 10:04:52,050
no, there's no fire station as part of that development. And have you heard of anybody building a new replacement station for number four?

4737
10:04:58,130 --> 10:04:58,130
no, no. Replacement station plan for number four.

4738
10:05:02,170 --> 10:05:02,170
the new park development wraps around the station for site,
But it's not part of that development.

4739
10:05:09,890 --> 10:05:09,890
I am very surprised to hear you say that. What can you tell us about the property room and
Vehicle storage item?

4740
10:05:20,730 --> 10:05:23,570
what is the question about the property room and vehicle storage? What is the exact question? Do you have a site located?

4741
10:05:28,130 --> 10:05:28,130
so I think we've had several conversations with council as this body is very well aware.

4742
10:05:34,410 --> 10:05:34,410
in closed session we've given some potential options that we have.

4743
10:05:38,810 --> 10:05:38,810
this item is not what those options are. This item is to get direction that over the
Course of the next few weeks as council is on recess.

4744
10:05:46,250 --> 10:05:46,250
would you like for us to begin to work on the deliverables for a potential bond program?

4745
10:05:51,690 --> 10:05:51,690
this is not about picking the site. This is about do we want to move forward in this
Direction.

4746
10:05:57,280 --> 10:05:57,280
and that's why this item is on for your consideration on this agenda.

4747
10:06:02,160 --> 10:06:02,160
is it your opinion that we would ask people for $150 million for those buildings without
Giving them full

4748
10:06:11,400 --> 10:06:11,400
details? As this council is well aware, we've given several discussions.

4749
10:06:19,160 --> 10:06:22,280
we've had several discussions in closed session. You've given direction to go do some additional due diligence,
And we've communicated publicly in the last two meetings that we'll be bringing that

4750
10:06:30,520 --> 10:06:30,520
information back to the city council. So you're in a better position to make a decision.

4751
10:06:35,320 --> 10:06:35,320
and so that work is underway, as council has already directed.

4752
10:06:41,080 --> 10:06:41,080
okay. Well, then I'm not in favor of moving forward with those items,
Even though the property room is the second worst property I've ever been in for the city

4753
10:06:49,840 --> 10:06:49,840
of dallas. Because how could we possibly ask somebody to vote for giving us their tax
Dollars,

4754
10:06:57,680 --> 10:06:57,680
allowing us to have more debt when we're not even willing to be transparent with them
About what's happening.

4755
10:07:04,240 --> 10:07:04,240
so that leaves me saying, I would like to see a proposition that solely one item funds
Both academy locations

4756
10:07:15,400 --> 10:07:15,400
and the fire station. I guess that'll wait for the next bond along with all these other
Things.

4757
10:07:20,760 --> 10:07:20,760
and if we don't have information to share in a property room and a vehicle storage place,
I guess we'll have to wait until we have that information.

4758
10:07:29,600 --> 10:07:29,600
and I'm definitely not in support of dollars to move the 911 center,
Although I would be if it was only for renovation of our current.

4759
10:07:39,560 --> 10:07:39,560
and I'm 100% opposed to the to the pension obligation bond,
Which is solely about moving

4760
10:07:49,400 --> 10:07:49,400
this from a general fund item to debt. This will be a massive tax increase for dallas.

4761
10:07:55,430 --> 10:07:55,430
council member. Blackmon. Thank you. So in the resolution it says at the actions necessary
To call a

4762
10:08:05,110 --> 10:08:05,110
november 2026 bond election. Can you tell me what actions we anticipate in receiving when
We come back on the 12th?

4763
10:08:20,070 --> 10:08:20,070
excuse me. On the 12th we would have the proposition language ready for council to review.

4764
10:08:24,910 --> 10:08:24,910
and that would be your opportunity to call for the election at that time on the 12th.

4765
10:08:29,510 --> 10:08:32,390
all we're going to receive on the 12th is just the language. Yes, ma'am. Like on the like the 2024 bond program would be the same thing.

4766
10:08:36,870 --> 10:08:40,510
the resolution with each of the propositions and the dollars. And so at that time, we can say, no, we don't want to do this at all.

4767
10:08:45,510 --> 10:08:45,510
yes. But we can also say today that we don't because if you don't do the preparation,
You can't come on the 12th.

4768
10:08:50,990 --> 10:08:50,990
that's. That was the point. Councilwoman blackmon is to make sure that if council wanted
To move in that direction,

4769
10:08:56,270 --> 10:08:56,270
we wouldn't be able to wait until you return from recess to get that general feedback.

4770
10:09:01,470 --> 10:09:04,950
and so this would give us an opportunity to to do the work. And in august, you might say you don't want to do it at all,
Which is fine, but we did not want to not give you the opportunity to share your direction

4771
10:09:11,990 --> 10:09:15,790
with us now. And it's, it's not a vote to say you're doing it. It's to give us kind of direction to go ahead and begin to prepare.

4772
10:09:19,550 --> 10:09:19,550
okay. And so it's 941 million will be the total number that we're going to ask the voters
To put on the credit card.

4773
10:09:27,590 --> 10:09:30,510
right. To, to, to borrow between those two propositions. Yes. Are those two groups of. Yes. And I know,
Refresh my memory.

4774
10:09:34,710 --> 10:09:34,710
what. Because what is our capacity? I think we did pobs we left a a smidgen for the pobs.

4775
10:09:41,190 --> 10:09:41,190
right. Yes, ma'am. In our planning, we have assumed that we would have about $500 million
Of pension

4776
10:09:50,580 --> 10:09:50,580
obligation bonds. If the council chose that course we also,
As we've talked about in previous briefings we only have about

4777
10:10:00,260 --> 10:10:00,260
250 to $300 million of capacity each year. So when you make a decision,
If you do and the voters approve to put more

4778
10:10:10,020 --> 10:10:10,020
funding into the two police academy facilities,
And it is your priority to do those sooner than the impact could be that some of the 24

4779
10:10:18,860 --> 10:10:18,860
bond projects get pushed out. It's all about prioritization and which project you want to
Go first versus which one second.

4780
10:10:26,060 --> 10:10:26,060
but again, as miss tolbert has mentioned today,
Is just to tell us if you want us to keep going forward or not.

4781
10:10:32,940 --> 10:10:32,940
and so what happens? Or how do we know which projects projects get pushed?

4782
10:10:39,500 --> 10:10:39,500
so that would be something that we would come back to you with depending.

4783
10:10:43,700 --> 10:10:43,700
so far, you've not told us to move forward like the 12th is in six weeks and we're gone
For four of those.

4784
10:10:48,780 --> 10:10:51,180
so I'm wondering, when do we get that project list? Yes, ma'am. If we are moving forward in the direction of having an additional bond
Election for the police academy,

4785
10:10:59,060 --> 10:10:59,060
and that, we believe is your priority, then we would need to make room for that in the 27
Budget.

4786
10:11:05,220 --> 10:11:05,220
and so there would be some reshuffling of the 24 projects to accommodate that.

4787
10:11:11,100 --> 10:11:11,100
but again, that is something we have 6 or 7 weeks to get that done.

4788
10:11:15,780 --> 10:11:15,780
and so understanding your direction today is important to us on timing and p o b's.

4789
10:11:23,300 --> 10:11:23,300
we and I mean we've exhausted every other way,
But to borrow the money to pay for these or,

4790
10:11:29,660 --> 10:11:29,660
and I understand, I know I was at the council,
I was at the briefing where just because you authorized it doesn't mean you have to pull

4791
10:11:35,900 --> 10:11:35,900
the trigger. But I do believe politically doing anything in november is really a shot in
The dark.

4792
10:11:43,900 --> 10:11:43,900
I mean, it's going to be a crazy election. And usually you don't go out for these kind of
Things unless,

4793
10:11:50,330 --> 10:11:53,290
you know, the predictability of the electorate. So that's just my political opinion. So my question is,
You know, to look at the the voters and to say,

4794
10:12:03,170 --> 10:12:03,170
we've exhausted everything and this is our only way.

4795
10:12:07,730 --> 10:12:07,730
and we can and as we know, somebody said, you can't put good money after bad money after a
Bad investment.

4796
10:12:14,570 --> 10:12:18,450
so I don't know if we're ready, if we may pull the trigger. I don't know if we're ready to actually go sell the bonds,
Because I don't feel confident that we are there with our pension.

4797
10:12:26,330 --> 10:12:26,330
and so if I may add to it, we do not need to issue pension obligation bonds to fix the
Dallas police and fire pension system.

4798
10:12:36,450 --> 10:12:36,450
the police and fire pension system has a funding plan that has been approved.

4799
10:12:41,810 --> 10:12:45,530
it is perfectly acceptable to the state as a joint plan. Thank you all for your approval of it. Thank the board for their approval of it.

4800
10:12:49,290 --> 10:12:49,290
we will fully fund in 30 years, as we're required to do if the market changes.

4801
10:12:54,890 --> 10:12:54,890
if market conditions are different, there are advantages and potential benefit from
Issuing pension obligation bonds,

4802
10:13:02,170 --> 10:13:02,170
but it is a condition of the market. Rates for borrowing need to come down and rates for
Investing need to go up,

4803
10:13:09,570 --> 10:13:09,570
and you need that difference. And so if if the timing is right and we can get lower prices
To borrow and they are able to invest and get a better rate

4804
10:13:19,530 --> 10:13:19,530
of return, it will save us money. In addition to moving more of the contribution to the
Debt service fund,

4805
10:13:26,650 --> 10:13:30,530
it would have a net savings. But how much net savings? It depends on what the difference is in the cost to borrow and the rate of return.

4806
10:13:35,210 --> 10:13:35,210
so I can't really give you an exact answer. I understand that we have the fix,
But the problem is now we need the money for the fix.

4807
10:13:42,920 --> 10:13:45,680
and I know that you and miss mendelsohn's. Right. You've got to take it off of the general fund and put it on in this.

4808
10:13:50,240 --> 10:13:52,840
put it on a on a debt service and this is it. Or we just keep making contributions out of the general fund,
Which we're planning to do.

4809
10:13:57,640 --> 10:13:57,640
that's why we had the five year step up, because we wanted to kind of manage that with $20
Million incremental increases each year.

4810
10:14:06,480 --> 10:14:06,480
and so that's helping us mitigate that. And I'm hoping that we have somebody that's
Working with us to making sure that investments at the pension fund are working.

4811
10:14:14,840 --> 10:14:14,840
you approved an agenda item earlier today for that pension advisor,
And that will be working with us.

4812
10:14:20,880 --> 10:14:20,880
perfect. Then also to on I just lost it. Dadgummit.

4813
10:14:31,600 --> 10:14:35,200
I guess that's it. I had it up and I, I had my resolution up. Thank you. Council member ridley. So. Jack proving in august the issuance.

4814
10:14:43,440 --> 10:14:43,440
well, the ballot to approve these bonds will automatically if the voters approve the

4815
10:14:53,280 --> 10:14:57,160
bond issue will automatically defer the 2024 bond program. Is that correct? Not automatically, but there will probably have to be some give.

4816
10:15:04,760 --> 10:15:04,760
I believe in the presentations, the two presentations I gave before on this,
We talked about spreading the 24 remaining projects out over four years

4817
10:15:14,440 --> 10:15:17,960
instead of three. So most likely there is going to be an impact to. 24. And you said that it doesn't make sense to issue the pension obligation bonds unless
There is a greater spread between

4818
10:15:27,680 --> 10:15:27,680
the income received by the pension investments and the interest rate that we will have to
Pay on the bonds,

4819
10:15:37,070 --> 10:15:37,070
correct? Yes, sir. And actually, interest rates are going to be trending up this year
Because of higher inflation.

4820
10:15:46,870 --> 10:15:46,870
so I don't see in the near future it being economical for us to issue pension obligation
Bonds.

4821
10:15:55,150 --> 10:15:55,150
we could defer that consideration of doing that bond issue for say a year and take it up
When we see that

4822
10:16:05,030 --> 10:16:05,030
conditions are trending in the right direction to issue those bonds and not have to pay
More interest than we're receiving in income,

4823
10:16:14,030 --> 10:16:14,030
isn't that correct? That is correct. And we would not recommend for you to issue those
Bonds this year.

4824
10:16:19,910 --> 10:16:19,910
and you get the authorization, whether you get the authorization this november or if you
Choose to do it next november or some future november.

4825
10:16:28,670 --> 10:16:28,670
we still want to have outlined what we want those triggers to be.

4826
10:16:32,750 --> 10:16:32,750
we want the the borrowing costs to be x and expectations on earnings to be y,
Etc.

4827
10:16:39,270 --> 10:16:39,270
we would want some of those things to be in place,
But you don't want the market to change.

4828
10:16:43,350 --> 10:16:43,350
and then you're like, oh, I've got to wait until next november before I can have an
Election.

4829
10:16:48,390 --> 10:16:48,390
so at some point you will want to consider having an election and setting triggers for
When we actually work with our financial advisors who are here

4830
10:16:58,630 --> 10:16:58,630
to go out and actually issue those bonds. If the electorate did approve bonds in november,

4831
10:17:07,870 --> 10:17:07,870
is there a time limit on when we would have to start issuing those bonds under that
Authority from the voters?

4832
10:17:15,310 --> 10:17:15,310
no, sir. And you may recall that I probably said previously it was ten years.

4833
10:17:20,670 --> 10:17:20,670
our bond council has recently corrected me and said,
As long as we continue to demonstrate to the attorney general that that is still part of

4834
10:17:27,950 --> 10:17:31,750
our plan, that it doesn't expire at ten years. So there is not a. You. You have to borrow the money within 5 or 10 or you lose the
Authorization.

4835
10:17:38,460 --> 10:17:41,540
we just have to continue to communicate with the the a g. S office of our plans. Well, I'm opposed to this item because I don't think we're ready to
Issue these bonds.

4836
10:17:50,860 --> 10:17:50,860
certainly it makes no sense to issue the pobs in 2026,
As jack has just confirmed.

4837
10:17:57,940 --> 10:17:57,940
we can do that later. I think we're facing an uphill battle with the electorate over the
Issue of closing our $31 million

4838
10:18:07,660 --> 10:18:07,660
deficit in the current year budget, the $50 million deficit in the planned budget,
And the perception that

4839
10:18:17,620 --> 10:18:17,620
we are not being fiscally wise at city hall. And I think rather than

4840
10:18:27,300 --> 10:18:27,300
risk this being defeated at the polls, that we would be wise to defer it to a later time
If we find that necessary.

4841
10:18:37,060 --> 10:18:37,060
I don't think that pension obligation bonds are ever going to be necessary,
Since we already have a 30 year amortization schedule that jack has just

4842
10:18:46,660 --> 10:18:46,660
confirmed we can pay from general funds. And so I'm opposed to the staff spending a lot of
Hours getting ready for a bond

4843
10:18:56,060 --> 10:18:56,060
election that is doomed to failure. Council member willis.

4844
10:19:04,300 --> 10:19:04,300
thank you. So, jack if we were to. If the voters were to pass pension

4845
10:19:14,180 --> 10:19:14,180
obligation bonds and we never exercised that opportunity,
Does that improve our rating in any way or our financial

4846
10:19:23,700 --> 10:19:23,700
status? Just to know that we have the ability to use it as a financial tool,
Or do we have to actually use actually enact that?

4847
10:19:35,220 --> 10:19:35,220
I don't think it has a positive impact of not using it and having the authorization.

4848
10:19:41,420 --> 10:19:43,940
so no, I don't think I think the answer is no. So really when we discuss this at committee,
It was about having financial flexibility.

4849
10:19:50,260 --> 10:19:50,260
and we've talked about that because right now those escalating amounts come out of the
General fund.

4850
10:19:57,020 --> 10:19:57,020
and if there's a way to offset and be able to put it into debt service,
I mean, it's not the most ideal picture.

4851
10:20:01,900 --> 10:20:05,860
but we're also looking at all of these other expenses bearing down on us. So it's really just to give us flexibility that we may never use.

4852
10:20:10,740 --> 10:20:10,740
I mean, I'm not a big fan of them, but if it's opening up a financial tool that we could
Use,

4853
10:20:16,220 --> 10:20:16,220
and you certainly don't have to do the whole 500 million either.

4854
10:20:21,100 --> 10:20:21,100
you know, I'm open to that. But today is not really about getting into whether we want to
Do it or not.

4855
10:20:25,940 --> 10:20:25,940
that's what will come in august. I think we need our city manager.

4856
10:20:31,930 --> 10:20:31,930
are we planning a briefing on the items and then have them on the agenda on the 12th?

4857
10:20:39,290 --> 10:20:39,290
thank you for the question, councilwoman willis. That would be the plan to come and do the
Work over the summer.

4858
10:20:44,330 --> 10:20:44,330
jack has mentioned the work that we would have to do with bond council,
And then we would bring that back to the full body.

4859
10:20:49,450 --> 10:20:49,450
and then I think august the 12th would be when council would need to decide how you would
Like to proceed.

4860
10:20:55,410 --> 10:20:55,410
okay. Because there's definitely some strategy to think about here because we've got a
List one through five of various complexes and training centers,

4861
10:21:04,490 --> 10:21:07,890
etc. And then we've got the pension obligation. Bonds is totally separate. So, you know, that's its own animal.

4862
10:21:11,570 --> 10:21:11,570
but on these others, I mean, I don't know. On 911 operations center,
I think the public gets that one is linked to the other when it comes to public

4863
10:21:21,210 --> 10:21:21,210
safety. So I don't I'm not sure where this focus group of one is coming from or where the
Data is that says that would take a whole bond election that also has a police training

4864
10:21:31,050 --> 10:21:31,050
facility and public safety facility on it. I just I completely disagree with that.

4865
10:21:35,410 --> 10:21:35,410
however, I do think we need to think about how we bundle these.

4866
10:21:41,290 --> 10:21:41,290
and if we bundle these. So that is something I would expect to take place over the next
Few weeks,

4867
10:21:46,330 --> 10:21:46,330
is to really think about that and understand with some,
Some kind of you know, less than subjectivity on,

4868
10:21:54,890 --> 10:21:58,690
on how that would be. And that might not just come from bond council,
But I mean, there are, there are other aspects that would go with this,
How this is packaged, how we educate our electorate even on what these things are.

4869
10:22:05,610 --> 10:22:05,610
and to the point, very good point on. Two of these items sound very much alike.

4870
10:22:09,890 --> 10:22:09,890
so we need to work that out as well. And we would this with bond council over the next
Month.

4871
10:22:14,930 --> 10:22:14,930
we we will understand better of whether we have to bundle,
Whether we separate what our options are.

4872
10:22:21,490 --> 10:22:21,490
I just can't give you those options today. Well,
We've had another big issue around this poured concrete building.

4873
10:22:27,440 --> 10:22:30,200
and it's usually about people wanting more information. And sometimes the pursuit of more information gets blocked,
Which is crazy.

4874
10:22:35,560 --> 10:22:35,560
but I think what this is, is this is a mode of information putting it together.

4875
10:22:41,400 --> 10:22:43,480
what's the language? What are the legalities? How do you bundle it? What's the strategy? How do you educate?

4876
10:22:47,440 --> 10:22:50,880
and I think that's got to happen over the next few weeks. And then we will make the go no go when we come back in august.

4877
10:22:54,840 --> 10:22:54,840
and so I think that at this point, you all need to be free and able to pursue all of the
Information that we need to,

4878
10:23:01,600 --> 10:23:04,920
to present us with the options so we can make the best decision. So I am supportive of pursuing whatever we need to to start putting that language
Together.

4879
10:23:09,840 --> 10:23:09,840
council member. Stewart. Thank you mayor. I'll try to make this very brief.

4880
10:23:16,800 --> 10:23:20,800
I believe our residents do understand our budget pressures. They've certainly we've certainly talked about it in the context of our city hall repairs.

4881
10:23:25,200 --> 10:23:25,200
and it just it's just ever present to me right now when when I'm in a community meeting or
A coffee meeting.

4882
10:23:31,320 --> 10:23:31,320
it's just explaining that. And one of the pressures is the increasing cost on the pension.

4883
10:23:37,000 --> 10:23:37,000
I completely support the plan and am relieved and actually proud of the fact that we were
Able to get this resolved,

4884
10:23:44,640 --> 10:23:47,640
that we have this funding agreement in place. But I also know it's a long term plan, and this pressure will therefore be there,
Be with us for a long time.

4885
10:23:57,200 --> 10:23:57,200
having a planning tool like the pension obligation bonds in our back pocket,
If in fact they make sense and we realize that we are really draining

4886
10:24:07,080 --> 10:24:07,080
our general fund every year with this payment,
There may be a time that this makes sense.

4887
10:24:13,520 --> 10:24:13,520
that's probably not this year, maybe not next year,
But it will be something that we will want to have this tool accessible and available,

4888
10:24:22,110 --> 10:24:25,430
and I think our residents will understand that. I, I really do. They've, they've been walking this walk with us right,
For the past several months on what these pressures are and what is going on with our

4889
10:24:35,230 --> 10:24:35,230
decision making with respect to our budgets and repairs and just future projections.

4890
10:24:41,350 --> 10:24:41,350
so I think we'll have their support. So I'm I'm glad that we're going to vote on this
Today.

4891
10:24:48,430 --> 10:24:48,430
but again, the vote is just to explore, just to look at how we might bundle it and look at
It,

4892
10:24:55,430 --> 10:24:55,430
make sure it makes sense. It will take a second look,
A third look, and maybe a fifth look before we really know if we want to move forward.

4893
10:25:03,670 --> 10:25:03,670
thank you. Council member cordano. I don't know if somebody if anybody asked this,
But how do we compile this list

4894
10:25:13,830 --> 10:25:13,830
and can anything else can anything be added or changed or deleted,
I guess.

4895
10:25:21,910 --> 10:25:21,910
so. I will say, and then if miss tolbert wants to add to.

4896
10:25:26,230 --> 10:25:26,230
but when we were having conversations about the shortfall in funding for the police
Academy,

4897
10:25:33,870 --> 10:25:33,870
then the question was, are there other urgent.

4898
10:25:39,150 --> 10:25:39,150
time sensitive, if you will, public safety facility needs.

4899
10:25:44,030 --> 10:25:44,030
and this was the list that was put together once we asked that question.

4900
10:25:48,910 --> 10:25:51,750
there's other needs that are on the needs inventory. I want to thank public safety had a $600 million or so needs inventory.

4901
10:25:57,310 --> 10:25:57,310
when the 24 bond program was put together and only 90 million got included in the 24 bond
Program.

4902
10:26:04,470 --> 10:26:08,350
so there's a lot of needs that we do not have funding for,
For public safety. And so since we were having the conversation about the academy,
The question was asked, is there anything else that we need to look at right now?

4903
10:26:15,700 --> 10:26:18,460
and, miss tolbert, is there anything else that I should add? No. That's correct. And I just wanted to say again,
We shared several different times the recommended items that we felt could be a part of

4904
10:26:26,660 --> 10:26:29,860
it. Again, it's still subject to what council wants to do. And we've definitely worked with both the police chief,
The fire chief and this entire team to come up with a list that we believe really does

4905
10:26:37,300 --> 10:26:40,860
address some of those unique issues that we have right now and what we're looking at. We talked about the property room. We've given examples of potential locations in closed
Session about the property room.

4906
10:26:47,740 --> 10:26:47,740
we talked about the auto. I mean, we've gone through extensive conversations about it.

4907
10:26:52,620 --> 10:26:52,620
and again, today is really about do we want to go ahead and do the preparation and then
Come back in august so council can give us further direction at that time?

4908
10:27:00,500 --> 10:27:00,500
this is us trying to prepare proactively so you can make a decision.

4909
10:27:05,220 --> 10:27:05,220
okay. My other question is, did we look at possibly possibly using tif for fire station
Four if it's within a tif?

4910
10:27:12,620 --> 10:27:12,620
and I say that because perhaps another fire station could be put into the bond and tif
Money be used for this.

4911
10:27:20,180 --> 10:27:20,180
especially with all of the development that's happening in downtown.

4912
10:27:30,340 --> 10:27:30,340
yeah, we've looked at all options and I don't I don't think there was money in the tif for
It.

4913
10:27:38,060 --> 10:27:38,060
so we're looking at in the bond package. Okay.

4914
10:27:42,700 --> 10:27:42,700
for station four. And then if we don't do the bond now,
When would be the next opportunity to do so?

4915
10:27:53,740 --> 10:27:53,740
so normally elections are either in may or november.

4916
10:27:57,980 --> 10:28:00,900
I think the body made a decision not to hold may elections. So november's every november there's a uniform election date and you have to call the
Election by about mid august.

4917
10:28:10,500 --> 10:28:13,690
so if we didn't do it this august and it would be may. And so if y'all go ahead. Well, I was going to say one of the things that we were asked to
Do,

4918
10:28:19,010 --> 10:28:19,010
and I think this has again, been part of the broader public safety conversation,
Is when we actually need funding to be able to move the public safety

4919
10:28:28,450 --> 10:28:32,050
academy forward. We've laid out the schedule. We've talked about how much we have, how much is coming,
How much is committed, and we've kind of shown where we would need to have that funding

4920
10:28:39,490 --> 10:28:43,370
available. So that was one of the reasons why we were talking about november. So we would have the money available. I think dave has showed a whole timeline for when
That funding would need to be available for us to keep going.

4921
10:28:50,570 --> 10:28:50,570
I think we're still planning to break ground in september,
But then we're going to we're going to need to know that we've got the money to be able to

4922
10:28:56,930 --> 10:28:56,930
keep the project going and not stop. Okay. I think my last comment would just be that I
Think we do seriously have to consider the bundling,

4923
10:29:05,010 --> 10:29:05,010
because I remember the last time we had a bond,
There were some things that I think we would have liked to have passed,

4924
10:29:10,410 --> 10:29:10,410
but because it was bundled a certain way, then that item failed.

4925
10:29:14,810 --> 10:29:14,810
I can think about it a couple of things. So I think we do need to make sure that we
Consider that carefully because some of these items we,

4926
10:29:22,730 --> 10:29:26,410
we do need them to pass and they're important. But I think because of some of the discussions that have been going on in the,
In the city,

4927
10:29:32,050 --> 10:29:32,050
I would just caution about putting everything together.

4928
10:29:36,170 --> 10:29:36,170
thank you. Council member gracey. Thank you,
Mr.

4929
10:29:40,530 --> 10:29:43,410
mayor. I will be supporting this, but I do have some questions. Just a point of clarity, jack, and I want to make sure if we have the the pension
Obligation bonds and the general obligation bonds,

4930
10:29:53,290 --> 10:29:53,290
and we're saying if I understood everything,
We wouldn't necessarily issue the pension obligation bonds.

4931
10:29:59,890 --> 10:30:03,050
we would just have them just in case things get tight. Is that what I understand you understood correctly that we would go ahead and get the
Voter authorization for pension obligation bonds,

4932
10:30:10,600 --> 10:30:10,600
but not actually borrow the money, not actually issue the bonds until the market was
Better,

4933
10:30:16,280 --> 10:30:16,280
right. Which might be a year, 24 months. I don't,
I don't know, three years.

4934
10:30:23,000 --> 10:30:23,000
the next question is in the event if the market turns and it's right,
Would we I'm because I'm trying to stay

4935
10:30:32,840 --> 10:30:32,840
between. So the pension obligation bonds. If the market is right,
Just because the market is right doesn't necessarily mean we would issue the bonds.

4936
10:30:40,840 --> 10:30:43,680
it was just only if we need them. I'm trying to get that clarity to. Because one side is we issue them. If we need them,
Then the other side is we would issue them if we if the market condition presents itself,

4937
10:30:53,040 --> 10:30:53,040
so is it that if the market presents itself,
We will issue or we can issue.

4938
10:30:57,960 --> 10:30:57,960
I'm just trying to. So I think that's something that we will want defined.

4939
10:31:02,840 --> 10:31:02,840
okay. So we need to make that decision. And that can be part of what we bring back to you
In august,

4940
10:31:08,680 --> 10:31:08,680
is a recommendation on exactly how that would work,
What those triggers would be.

4941
10:31:13,880 --> 10:31:13,880
okay. And the reason I'm asking that is because if,
If if that is the trigger.

4942
10:31:18,320 --> 10:31:18,320
and again, I think I caught this the last time too,
If those bonds, pension obligation bonds are issued,

4943
10:31:25,720 --> 10:31:25,720
that would put the 2024 bond program, I guess,
Delay it some of those projects.

4944
10:31:34,960 --> 10:31:34,960
so not necessarily it depends on how much we issue in the pension obligation bonds.

4945
10:31:41,360 --> 10:31:41,360
when I briefed you last on when was that. June the 10th.

4946
10:31:47,720 --> 10:31:47,720
we, we proposed that maybe we would issue the pension obligation bonds in smaller tranches
Instead of just one 500 million.

4947
10:31:56,080 --> 10:31:59,200
so it wouldn't hurt. Right. Right. So it wouldn't have as big of an impact. Fair. But if we do that then we come with the general obligation bonds and we do the
Public safety.

4948
10:32:05,390 --> 10:32:08,190
that then puts another piece that could potentially delay to. Right. Yes, sir. Okay. So whenever I briefed you on june the 10th and laid out what a
Schedule would look like having $166 million a year

4949
10:32:18,150 --> 10:32:22,030
for three years for the pension obligation bonds,
Front end loading. Because their priority to do the public safety bonds,
It required us to stretch the 24 bond program from three years to four years remaining.

4950
10:32:31,350 --> 10:32:31,350
okay. So that was the total impact of all of those things added together.

4951
10:32:36,150 --> 10:32:36,150
okay. And I know miss blackmon already asked these questions too,
But this is something I'd be willing to come back and,

4952
10:32:41,790 --> 10:32:41,790
and know in august as well is what would be the methodology for delaying projects if these
Bonds are issued.

4953
10:32:51,070 --> 10:32:51,070
you don't have to answer it now, but that's something that I want to make sure we address.
Yeah, that would be a june thing that dev and jenny would come up with.

4954
10:32:57,830 --> 10:33:01,550
absolutely. Yeah. So I support this, but I do have those concerns. Thank you. Council member roth. I think I understood the answer,
But I need a clarification of november is,

4955
10:33:11,070 --> 10:33:11,070
is the, is our sort of official election date,
But can we request or can we shoot for a may date?

4956
10:33:19,310 --> 10:33:19,310
or is that completely off the table for an election date?

4957
10:33:23,630 --> 10:33:23,630
so for a bond election, there's two uniform election dates a year,
One in may and one's in november.

4958
10:33:30,190 --> 10:33:30,190
I think the body had conversation at one time about not doing may elections.

4959
10:33:34,950 --> 10:33:34,950
billy ray, you might have to answer. Help me on that.

4960
10:33:39,870 --> 10:33:39,870
well, the city council moved their general elections from may to november,
But special elections can be in may or november.

4961
10:33:46,590 --> 10:33:50,390
so yes. So we could have we could have a may bond election if we wanted to. Yes. Mayor bond election. Mayor remember, your two uniform election dates are in november,

4962
10:33:56,150 --> 10:33:56,150
may and november, right? And so my my question is,
Is would there be any is, is the pressure then is not so much for

4963
10:34:06,150 --> 10:34:06,150
november except to the fact that you're trying to meld these,
These amounts of money to the september

4964
10:34:16,150 --> 10:34:16,150
groundbreaking. I mean, in other words, if we change that date to may rather than then fix
It as november,

4965
10:34:24,150 --> 10:34:24,150
that would take pressure off of everybody to get the information to sort of figure out
What we would want to put in the bond package.

4966
10:34:32,110 --> 10:34:32,110
it would it wouldn't cross over with our budgeting season here.

4967
10:34:36,670 --> 10:34:36,670
I mean, it just seems to me that we're trying to jam a lot of stuff into a 6 to 8 week
Period here on something that's very

4968
10:34:45,870 --> 10:34:45,870
important and needs a lot of strategy. And quite frankly,
I don't know that that everybody's got enough bandwidth to,

4969
10:34:53,430 --> 10:34:56,990
to really do all this stuff in, in, in eight weeks. So again, I would like to to pursue getting the information,
But I think the pressurization that we're putting on,

4970
10:35:05,260 --> 10:35:05,260
on everybody to get it done by october or august is not necessarily definitive and it's
Not

4971
10:35:15,420 --> 10:35:15,420
necessarily required. So if we want I'm my suggestion would be that we change or amend
This to say that you would be shooting for a may election,

4972
10:35:25,460 --> 10:35:25,460
potentially. Council member roth, the impact to the public safety training academy would
Be there because the,

4973
10:35:33,780 --> 10:35:33,780
the november election date is to maintain that project schedule and have the funding
Available to keep that on schedule.

4974
10:35:40,940 --> 10:35:40,940
so we would have to wouldn't impact the groundbreaking and the,
The work that we would be able to begin,

4975
10:35:48,780 --> 10:35:48,780
but it would delay the opening of the complex.

4976
10:35:53,340 --> 10:35:53,340
well, that's only if we need that money to spend to use,
But we do.

4977
10:35:58,660 --> 10:35:58,660
there is a shortfall in the full funding for that particular project,
As we've briefed in the past.

4978
10:36:04,340 --> 10:36:04,340
well, there is now. And but there. And and if we don't have the funding,
Regardless if we don't approve it,

4979
10:36:11,340 --> 10:36:15,340
we're still going to have to come up with the money or pare down the project or whatever
It is. But my point is, is that this is not just for that.

4980
10:36:18,740 --> 10:36:18,740
it would be for more if we're talking about you know,
Beyond the 500 million.

4981
10:36:24,140 --> 10:36:24,140
so I mean, beyond the, it's, I don't know how much you're talking about,
But it seems to me that we're pressuring ourselves to get on the ballot.

4982
10:36:34,100 --> 10:36:37,820
and, and it's a, to me, it's a very political. And it's going to take a lot of strategic time to really figure out if we can get it
Passed.

4983
10:36:42,420 --> 10:36:42,420
and look, I'm in favor of getting it on the ballot and I'm in favor of see if we can get
It done.

4984
10:36:49,820 --> 10:36:49,820
but I don't want to go to the expense and the,
And the effort to try to do something.

4985
10:36:54,690 --> 10:36:54,690
if we don't have a, you know, a concerted effort,
We don't have the staff that can handle it in a,

4986
10:37:01,330 --> 10:37:01,330
in a, you know, not in a timely manner, but in a open in a easy manner.

4987
10:37:07,330 --> 10:37:07,330
that's not conflicting with all the other stuff that we're having to do in the next six
Weeks and eight weeks.

4988
10:37:12,170 --> 10:37:12,170
so I just think it's a, it's a, it's a real it's a real push and it's going to be
Difficult to get all the,

4989
10:37:19,690 --> 10:37:19,690
the things lined up that fast. But you know,
If you all want to explore it, that's great,

4990
10:37:24,690 --> 10:37:24,690
but it's six more weeks of stuff that we don't have.

4991
10:37:29,570 --> 10:37:32,530
we're doing a lot of other stuff in this next six weeks. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson thank you, mr. Mayor.

4992
10:37:36,330 --> 10:37:36,330
I agree with chair stewart. Our community understands the need and what we are
Experiencing.

4993
10:37:44,170 --> 10:37:44,170
and, and I support this moving forward. Some of the things that I'm hearing is we one
Minute we tell our

4994
10:37:53,650 --> 10:37:53,650
staff to plan and move at the speed of business.

4995
10:37:58,170 --> 10:37:58,170
then we tell them they're moving too fast. Then we have several conversations about public
Safety needs,

4996
10:38:06,170 --> 10:38:06,170
and the list has been provided and shared with the council multiple times.

4997
10:38:10,330 --> 10:38:10,330
and so I believe we need to give the city, the city manager direction and honestly stop a
Lot of the attacks that I've been seeing on different,

4998
10:38:18,290 --> 10:38:21,770
different subject matters over and over and over again. It's really ridiculous, in my opinion, when we see what's going on.

4999
10:38:27,210 --> 10:38:27,210
I've been down to 911. Kevin, I need can I call kevin mayor?

5000
10:38:32,650 --> 10:38:32,650
is it okay if he come? Thank you. I went down to 911 and.

5001
10:38:40,170 --> 10:38:40,170
and I saw some things. Tell tell me how this would help with the things that you guys are
Trying to do and,

5002
10:38:46,090 --> 10:38:50,090
and meet the need that we're trying to get done here. Yeah. So kevin oden, director of emergency management and crisis response.

5003
10:38:54,000 --> 10:38:54,000
so I appreciate the question. And certainly if the council chooses for us to do more
Research and come back at the august date with very specifics on who,

5004
10:39:03,520 --> 10:39:03,520
what, when and where as it relates to the eoc and 911 will certainly be appreciative to
Provide that.

5005
10:39:10,720 --> 10:39:10,720
generally speaking, both eoc and 911 takes up the same space it did when we moved down
There 50 some odd years ago.

5006
10:39:18,440 --> 10:39:21,200
there's technology needs. There's space needs. We're just not designed to operate in the way that a modern big city is.

5007
10:39:25,120 --> 10:39:25,120
and some of the challenges we have we're seeing right now coordinating through some of the
Pressures that,

5008
10:39:32,200 --> 10:39:32,200
that the world cup has put on us. We certainly would be prepared to have a longer and more
Nuanced conversation with council if it

5009
10:39:42,160 --> 10:39:42,160
is decided on this item to, to bring back in in august for the potential of a bond to move
Those functions to a separate facility.

5010
10:39:53,120 --> 10:39:56,440
thank you. What does the technology. I know you said fifa. How is that working with technology and some of the challenges that you guys are having?

5011
10:40:04,400 --> 10:40:04,400
thank you for the question, robert. Assistant director,
Dallas police department. I oversee the 911 bureau.

5012
10:40:10,120 --> 10:40:10,120
so on the technology end today, we have some modernization needs,
Obviously as the technology has expanded,

5013
10:40:18,600 --> 10:40:22,240
we've maintained our same footprint over the years. Ultimately it is important for us as the ninth largest city in the nation to do better by
Our citizens with our 911 center.

5014
10:40:31,000 --> 10:40:31,000
and oh, I believe that all the executive staff have given some great answers on what
Direction we would like to take,

5015
10:40:39,800 --> 10:40:39,800
but ultimately, we're, we're just standing by for your direction.

5016
10:40:44,640 --> 10:40:44,640
thank you. And I know city manager moves at the direction of this council.

5017
10:40:49,390 --> 10:40:49,390
she can't just wake up one day and say this is what she's going to do. And she's been very
Transparent and,

5018
10:40:55,630 --> 10:40:55,630
and I went down to 911 and I took a tour because I want to see the conditions that our
Employees are working in.

5019
10:41:05,390 --> 10:41:05,390
and I saw one individual or one desk where it looks like an exhaust pipe coming out of a
Car.

5020
10:41:12,990 --> 10:41:16,310
and that's what they consider to be a heater. Then they had the a c on top of the desk and it was not working.

5021
10:41:21,870 --> 10:41:21,870
and then they are afraid to put the bags on the floor because they don't know if a rodent
Going to run in it. So these are the conditions that I've actually seen when we go down

5022
10:41:30,470 --> 10:41:30,470
there. I went to 911 and saw what our firefighters was in in the kitchen.

5023
10:41:35,590 --> 10:41:35,590
can you explain the kitchen. I cannot, but I want somebody to explain the kitchen.

5024
10:41:41,790 --> 10:41:41,790
gotcha. James russ, assistant chief of communications.

5025
10:41:46,830 --> 10:41:46,830
currently, our kitchen is in need of repair. It's been delayed because right now we're
Trying to decide what's going to happen with everything that's going

5026
10:41:56,470 --> 10:41:56,470
on. We have areas where it has raised floors and things run underneath.

5027
10:42:00,950 --> 10:42:00,950
so those are on the targeted for getting improved.

5028
10:42:08,230 --> 10:42:08,230
and so we're asking the city manager with what this agenda says is prepare and present
Yet.

5029
10:42:18,270 --> 10:42:18,270
and still we're, we're making it seem like, and I'm just going to use the language that I
Know how to use running game as if she just

5030
10:42:28,150 --> 10:42:31,670
not trying to be honest or transparent. When I've seen what's going on. I've talked to the workers down in 911 and I've asked the police chief,
I've asked the the fire firefighter chief and some of the workers how y'all actually doing

5031
10:42:41,590 --> 10:42:41,590
this here when it looked like the floor is about to cave in.

5032
10:42:48,420 --> 10:42:48,420
like it's absolutely deplorable. And so big mama said wait and made the wagon break.

5033
10:42:57,460 --> 10:43:00,700
so we keep waiting. And that's the problem that we had with city hall. We waited, waited, waited, waited. Now we have a one plus billion dollar bill because we
Just kept waiting and end up doing nothing while we're waiting,

5034
10:43:09,700 --> 10:43:09,700
right? So I'm gonna support this because we don't need to wait and keep waiting and keep
Waiting.

5035
10:43:15,780 --> 10:43:15,780
we need to do something and then go out to our communities and explain to them and educate
Them and let them see,

5036
10:43:22,940 --> 10:43:22,940
actually, maybe we need to bring some of them down here so they can see how you guys are
Living and how you working, and see if they want to work in these conditions.

5037
10:43:30,900 --> 10:43:30,900
I believe people will have a change of heart when they see what you guys are going
Through. But we say we support our first first responders. We're saying we support you,

5038
10:43:40,100 --> 10:43:43,900
but we're fighting every time. It's time to go forward and get some changes done. So I'm gonna support this city manager. I'm gonna support it because our citizens need to
Know what's going on, and we need to move in the right direction and get things taken care

5039
10:43:51,060 --> 10:43:51,060
of. Thank you. Councilwoman blair. I am also going to support this,
But and I also actually,

5040
10:43:59,980 --> 10:43:59,980
when we left here at 130 in the morning, the next morning,
I got up and I went to 911311,

5041
10:44:07,020 --> 10:44:07,020
the eoc and I took a tour. I almost fell, you know,
I always almost fell because the floor ain't even.

5042
10:44:15,700 --> 10:44:15,700
floor ain't even. And I don't have to have a community meeting because I also met some of
My my residents guess where they were working

5043
10:44:26,180 --> 10:44:26,180
down in hill two. They know what it's like because they work there.

5044
10:44:33,500 --> 10:44:37,380
they know what it's like because they they showed me. I saw some of the same things. And I heard about the rodents.

5045
10:44:41,610 --> 10:44:41,610
they're rodents. I know we don't have. We can issue bonds,
But I know.

5046
10:44:51,050 --> 10:44:51,050
I mean, we can we can go to and vote for a bond,
But we don't have to issue them.

5047
10:44:58,330 --> 10:44:58,330
what we're asking and I let me say this to before I say go to the bonds.

5048
10:45:04,290 --> 10:45:04,290
I support my police. I support my fire department.

5049
10:45:10,970 --> 10:45:10,970
heck, I feed them on my at station 40. I know,
I know, I know, I'll feed you too.

5050
10:45:18,410 --> 10:45:18,410
but here's the thing that I'm trying to say. We say we support safety,
But then we say in order to

5051
10:45:28,210 --> 10:45:28,210
get you to the place you need to be, we ain't going to support.

5052
10:45:35,170 --> 10:45:38,690
so if you say you support safety, you've got to support safety. From the time I pick up the phone and say 911 until you get where I need you to be,
Whether it's 911 because I need I need

5053
10:45:48,490 --> 10:45:48,490
fire rescue, I need emergency services. I need 911 because I need a police call.

5054
10:45:59,170 --> 10:45:59,170
I don't have to be on safety to support you. But I do need to be here to say that we have
Spent an

5055
10:46:09,130 --> 10:46:09,130
exorbitant amount of time talking about where 911 should and should not be.

5056
10:46:14,090 --> 10:46:14,090
I know it shouldn't be down where it is. I don't care where we take it.

5057
10:46:19,530 --> 10:46:19,530
it should not be down there. And if we need to issue bonds in order to get it there,
Let's get it there.

5058
10:46:26,890 --> 10:46:26,890
I don't think the city manager is sitting here playing tiddledywinks.

5059
10:46:32,010 --> 10:46:32,010
it's 1130. This is going to pass one way or another.

5060
10:46:37,890 --> 10:46:37,890
so why are we sitting here? Because at the end of the day,
Come august, we have a decision to make.

5061
10:46:46,250 --> 10:46:46,250
why are we tying your hands to make that decision in august?

5062
10:46:54,170 --> 10:46:54,170
I call the question. Is there a second? Second.

5063
10:47:09,090 --> 10:47:09,090
okay. I mean, you've got a two thirds record vote,
Please.

5064
10:47:15,010 --> 10:47:15,010
yeah, we got a record vote. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

5065
10:47:21,250 --> 10:47:24,530
when I call your name, please state yes, if you're in favor. No. If you oppose. Council member west. Yes. Council member. Moreno.

5066
10:47:27,330 --> 10:47:27,330
yes. Council member. Gracey. Yes. Council member.

5067
10:47:32,650 --> 10:47:32,650
yes. Council member. Bazaldua. No. Council member.

5068
10:47:40,160 --> 10:47:44,080
blair. Council member. Blackmon. Yes. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Council member roth. No. Council member.

5069
10:47:49,280 --> 10:47:49,280
mendelsohn. No. Council member willis. Yes. Council member ridley.

5070
10:47:54,480 --> 10:47:54,480
yes. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson. Yes. Mayor pro tem resendez.

5071
10:48:00,200 --> 10:48:00,200
yes. Mayor johnson is absent. Taken. With 11 voting in favor,
Three opposed, one absent, one vote taken.

5072
10:48:09,800 --> 10:48:12,360
the motion passes. Mr. Mayor. The call passes,
Mr. Mayor. All right. So no further comment. Okay.

5073
10:48:18,720 --> 10:48:22,480
record vote has been requested. Call the roll. Thank you, mr. Mayor. An agenda item 93. When I call your name,
Please state yes, if you're in favor.

5074
10:48:29,520 --> 10:48:29,520
no. If you oppose, can you say that? Point of order.

5075
10:48:34,720 --> 10:48:34,720
point of order. Can you repeat the motion on the table,
Please?

5076
10:48:38,960 --> 10:48:38,960
it's just a motion to approve. Just making sure. It's been a while.

5077
10:48:44,360 --> 10:48:44,360
thank you. When I call your name, please state. Yes,
If you're in favor. No. If you oppose councilmember west.

5078
10:48:49,200 --> 10:48:52,760
yes. Councilmember moreno. Yes. Councilmember gracey. Yes. Councilmember cadena. Yes. Councilmember bazaldua.

5079
10:48:59,840 --> 10:48:59,840
no. Councilmember blair. Yes. Councilmember blackmon.

5080
10:49:04,960 --> 10:49:04,960
no. Council member. Stewart. Yes. Councilmember roth.

5081
10:49:10,280 --> 10:49:14,200
no. Councilmember mendelsohn. No. Councilmember willis. Yes. Councilmember ridley. Deputy mayor. Pro tem johnson.

5082
10:49:18,600 --> 10:49:18,600
yes. Mayor pro tem resendez. Yes. Mayor johnson is absent.

5083
10:49:22,880 --> 10:49:22,880
vote taken. With nine voting in favor, five opposed.

5084
10:49:30,470 --> 10:49:33,790
one councilman vote taken. The item passes, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Next item. Thank you, mr. Mayor.

5085
10:49:37,710 --> 10:49:37,710
we are now at your zoning and public hearing agenda.

5086
10:49:42,710 --> 10:49:45,750
before we move to your zoning consent agenda,
Mr. Mayor council member moreno would like to be recognized on item z five council member
Moreno.

5087
10:49:51,950 --> 10:49:55,910
thank you mayor. I move to remand this item back to the city planning commission. Second. Got a motion and a second. Any discussion?

5088
10:49:58,910 --> 10:49:58,910
no. In the interest of time. No discussion. I see two people on the queue.

5089
10:50:04,910 --> 10:50:04,910
I'm not sure if y'all are intending to be. Okay,
So seeing no further discussion.

5090
10:50:09,710 --> 10:50:09,710
all those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed?

5091
10:50:13,990 --> 10:50:16,230
motion carries. Next item please. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. At this time, council member blackmon would like to be recognized on item z 16
Council member blackmon.

5092
10:50:24,150 --> 10:50:24,150
thank you. I move to defer this item until september 23 of 2026.

5093
10:50:29,870 --> 10:50:32,070
second. Got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Anyone. No, sir. Seeing none. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5094
10:50:35,910 --> 10:50:39,510
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. We will now move to your zoning consent agenda.

5095
10:50:42,710 --> 10:50:42,710
your zoning consent agenda consisted of item z one through z 15.

5096
10:50:48,590 --> 10:50:48,590
item z five was previously deferred. Item z seven is being pulled by councilmember blair.

5097
10:50:54,390 --> 10:50:57,870
item z ten is being pulled by councilmember blair. Therefore, your zoning consent agenda consists of item z one through

5098
10:51:02,790 --> 10:51:02,790
z4z6z8z9 and z 11 through z 15. I'll read those items

5099
10:51:12,710 --> 10:51:12,710
into the record. Item z one is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new specific
Use permit for vehicle display.

5100
10:51:21,030 --> 10:51:21,030
sales and service on property on the south line of cf han freeway frontage road northwest
Of ellinwood street.

5101
10:51:28,900 --> 10:51:28,900
item z two is a public hearing regarding a city plan commission's authorized hearing to
Determine the proper zoning on property generally bounded by redmond drive to the north

5102
10:51:38,500 --> 10:51:38,500
hampton road to the east. The alley west of walter drive between city blocks 7/4809 and
5/4808 with city blocks

5103
10:51:47,900 --> 10:51:47,900
1/6166 and 3/6166 on the west and a portion of west colorado boulevard city blocks 7/4,
Eight,

5104
10:51:57,660 --> 10:51:57,660
zero nine and 1/6167. Along with the alley south of west colorado boulevard,
Splitting city block 6/472,

5105
10:52:06,980 --> 10:52:06,980
six and a portion of city block 1/4724 to the south and containing approximately
01,729,562.29ft²,

5106
10:52:21,780 --> 10:52:21,780
or 39.70 acres, more or less, and an ordinance granting the amendments.

5107
10:52:29,260 --> 10:52:29,260
item z three is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new specific use permit for a
Private school on property on the north line of forest lane,

5108
10:52:38,500 --> 10:52:38,500
west of hillcrest road. Item z four is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new
Specific use permit for an open enrollment charter school on property on the

5109
10:52:48,380 --> 10:52:48,380
west line of cheyenne road, south of rockingham street.

5110
10:52:52,700 --> 10:52:52,700
item z six is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new planned development
District for wr3 walkable urban district on property on the north line

5111
10:53:02,740 --> 10:53:02,740
of east overton road and east illinois avenue.

5112
10:53:07,620 --> 10:53:07,620
item z eight is a public hearing and an ordinance granting one a new subdistrict for oh
Two office subdistrict uses and two a

5113
10:53:17,500 --> 10:53:17,500
resolution accepting determination of deed restrictions on property bounded by allen
Street,

5114
10:53:22,650 --> 10:53:22,650
cole avenue and sneed street. Item nine is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an
Amendment to and an expansion of specific use permit number

5115
10:53:32,010 --> 10:53:32,010
275 for an electric substation on property on the west line of south hampton road and the
East line of south franklin street,

5116
10:53:39,890 --> 10:53:39,890
north of gibbs williams road. Item 11 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an
Amendment to a specific use permit

5117
10:53:49,690 --> 10:53:49,690
number 2439 for commercial motor vehicle parking on property on the southeast line of
Telephone road and west of west line of bonnie view road.

5118
10:53:59,450 --> 10:53:59,450
item 12 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an amendment to a specific use permit
Number 2184 for a mini warehouse on property on the south line of lake june road

5119
10:54:09,770 --> 10:54:13,250
and the west line of north saint augustine drive. Item c 13 is a public hearing on an ordinance granting an amendment to specific use permit
Number 2494 for the sale of alcoholic beverages on property on the southeast

5120
10:54:23,250 --> 10:54:23,250
corner of southampton road in burlington boulevard.

5121
10:54:27,570 --> 10:54:27,570
item z 14 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment to a development plan
For subarea b within planned development district number

5122
10:54:36,810 --> 10:54:36,810
811 on the south line of interstate highway 30 between west colorado boulevard and north
Cockrell hill road.

5123
10:54:44,450 --> 10:54:44,450
and item z 15 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new subdistrict for ir
Industrial research uses within plan development district number

5124
10:54:53,370 --> 10:54:53,370
307, on the west line of ford road, south of christian parkway.

5125
10:54:58,690 --> 10:54:58,690
you do have several individuals who have signed up to speak on a few of your zoning
Consent agenda items.

5126
10:55:05,570 --> 10:55:05,570
your first speaker? Alberto sodano. Sodano will be speaking on consent item z one.

5127
10:55:18,000 --> 10:55:18,000
alberto sedano. It's not present. You have several speakers signed up to speak on item z
Two.

5128
10:55:28,480 --> 10:55:28,480
each speaker will be given three minutes. David preziosi.

5129
10:55:33,440 --> 10:55:36,480
thank you very much. I'm david preziosi. I've been in the neighborhood. Stevens park village for 13 years now, and I've served on the neighborhood committee,
Which has been working for two and a half years to establish a

5130
10:55:45,960 --> 10:55:49,360
conservation district for our wonderful neighborhood. We've had 15 public meetings through this process,
As well as 71 brochures, emails, and handouts throughout this process to the

5131
10:55:59,240 --> 10:55:59,240
neighborhood to make sure everyone knew about what the neighborhood was doing with the
Conservation district and to get everybody's input in it.

5132
10:56:08,280 --> 10:56:08,280
this ordinance does a great job of threading the needle between protecting the existing
Character of the neighborhood while allowing sensitive changes to occur.

5133
10:56:18,080 --> 10:56:18,080
it also allows expansion of existing houses or new construction that is compatible with
The existing houses in the neighborhood.

5134
10:56:25,760 --> 10:56:25,760
so we believe that we've done a great job of communicating with everybody and working to
Get folks on board with this conservation district that we're very excited about and

5135
10:56:35,720 --> 10:56:35,720
hope that it will get passed today. And I believe the other speakers I'm going to be I'm
Speaking for all the other ones to save you all some time tonight.

5136
10:56:44,160 --> 10:56:44,160
thank you. Thank you. Trudy newton. Trudy newton is not present.

5137
10:56:51,480 --> 10:56:51,480
donovan. Westover. Donovan westover is not present.

5138
10:56:57,640 --> 10:56:57,640
jen. Lychner. Jen lychner is not present. Abby hayles,
Abbey hills not present.

5139
10:57:06,960 --> 10:57:06,960
john mccall. John mccall is not present. Alice zuccarello.

5140
10:57:16,110 --> 10:57:16,110
alex zuccarello is not present. Renato wells.

5141
10:57:20,430 --> 10:57:20,430
renato wells is not present. Chanty mayfield.

5142
10:57:25,470 --> 10:57:25,470
chanty mayfield is not present. Denise garza.

5143
10:57:30,430 --> 10:57:30,430
denise garza is not present. Noble hetherington.

5144
10:57:36,310 --> 10:57:36,310
noble hetherington is not present. Cathy chandler or chandler.

5145
10:57:42,110 --> 10:57:42,110
cathy chandler is not present. Corey. Terrell.

5146
10:57:46,510 --> 10:57:46,510
corey terrell is not present. Sue alvarez. Sue alvarez is not present.

5147
10:57:53,070 --> 10:57:53,070
justin house. It's not virtual. And not in the audience.

5148
10:57:59,910 --> 10:57:59,910
not present. Robert smith.

5149
10:58:13,390 --> 10:58:15,710
hello. I'm a long term resident of this neighborhood. I've owned a home in this neighborhood for about 15 years.

5150
10:58:18,150 --> 10:58:18,150
I deeply oppose this measure. I think you're being told that this is an effort by rooted
Members of the community to.

5151
10:58:26,710 --> 10:58:26,710
to keep and preserve the integrity of the neighborhood. This is a roster of the people
That are leading this effort.

5152
10:58:32,350 --> 10:58:32,350
has anybody looked at this because some of these people don't own their own home in this
Neighborhood? I was in the community meeting. They admitted they don't own a home in this

5153
10:58:39,270 --> 10:58:43,230
neighborhood. They said it. They're not married to anybody in this house or anything. Look at the tax rolls, all those things. They don't own a home in this neighborhood. They
Don't own a blade of grass in this neighborhood.

5154
10:58:49,030 --> 10:58:49,030
look at this. This list here. Some of these people,
This effort started in 2024.

5155
10:58:54,070 --> 10:58:54,070
they didn't even live in this neighborhood when covid started. They moved here in 2020,
2021,

5156
10:58:58,910 --> 10:58:58,910
2023. Look it up. But now they're vested members of the community.

5157
10:59:04,030 --> 10:59:07,790
I keep hearing about preserving the integrity of this neighborhood. Really? What about the starbucks that opened two weeks ago? What about the sprouts open across the
Street from that? All this is 100 yards from my neighborhood. The 24 hour fitness,

5158
10:59:16,700 --> 10:59:16,700
the. The boutique bakeries. You don't seem too stressed about those changes,
Because I see you in there buying lattes and danishes and working out.

5159
10:59:27,380 --> 10:59:27,380
where was all this concern for the integrity of the community when they knocked down cliff
Manor?

5160
10:59:33,060 --> 10:59:36,700
the the low income development across the street. I didn't hear any of that. I was on that call with leshaun watson,
Some of the city's attorneys,

5161
10:59:40,780 --> 10:59:40,780
you applauded that. I guess we only care about preserving the integrity of neighborhood.

5162
10:59:46,020 --> 10:59:48,500
if and if, you know, you got a little bit of money. Now, if you're a low resident not if you got low income.

5163
10:59:50,860 --> 10:59:54,780
that's cool. You know, I don't know about the the. Oh, I think this is an opaque process. We were giving these ballots to turn in to vote for
This process.

5164
11:00:00,740 --> 11:00:04,500
some of these people were going around the neighborhood collecting these internal men. They said, robert, we'll turn in your ballot for you.

5165
11:00:06,980 --> 11:00:06,980
trust us. I wonder if they would have turned that ballot in.

5166
11:00:11,540 --> 11:00:11,540
it makes me think. I think you think you're hearing from the accurate representation in
The neighborhood,

5167
11:00:17,300 --> 11:00:21,100
but you're hearing from older people. More affluent people. Right. They were here earlier than not. Now it's a little bit late,
So that might be part of it.

5168
11:00:25,460 --> 11:00:25,460
I was in the city planning meeting. I was told by these people,
I asked him, I said, if you could create a conservation district,

5169
11:00:31,180 --> 11:00:31,180
then you have to have a committee that opposes ordinance and maintains it.

5170
11:00:35,820 --> 11:00:38,220
I said, what stops anybody from amending the ordinance? Then they said, it can still be changed, but we'll have control of it.

5171
11:00:42,700 --> 11:00:44,820
we'll we won't change it, robert. Don't worry. We got you. We'll we'll we'll do what's best for you.

5172
11:00:49,100 --> 11:00:49,100
lastly to me, I've been in this meeting for hours.

5173
11:00:53,700 --> 11:00:53,700
I've heard a lot of people talking about moving the city of dallas forward. This doesn't
Move it forward. It doesn't allow people to create solar panels, expand their homes for

5174
11:01:01,020 --> 11:01:01,020
their families, any of those things. It just keeps the neighborhood looking like it's
1950s or something like this.

5175
11:01:06,100 --> 11:01:06,100
we live in a city. I bought a house in the city,
Not a time capsule.

5176
11:01:11,260 --> 11:01:14,380
we have the right to make changes to our home. Thank you. Thank you. You do have one individual who has signed up to speak on item z 14.

5177
11:01:21,380 --> 11:01:21,380
chris walton. I'm here. Chris walton, can you hear me?

5178
11:01:29,860 --> 11:01:29,860
yes. I'm here. Okay. I'm speaking about item z 14.

5179
11:01:37,100 --> 11:01:37,100
case number z 26000075. Amendment to I believe it's pd 311.

5180
11:01:46,460 --> 11:01:46,460
it's for a randolph brooks federal credit union bank project.

5181
11:01:50,660 --> 11:01:50,660
I am the applicant. And the basic use has already been approved.

5182
11:01:56,060 --> 11:01:56,060
and essentially what this amendment it's a site plan amendment that we've applied for to
Build a slightly larger building due to the

5183
11:02:05,730 --> 11:02:05,730
addition of a workroom or conference room and a enlarged data room,
Along with some other minor site plan changes.

5184
11:02:15,610 --> 11:02:15,610
so it's just a amendment to a development plan for a use that's already been approved.

5185
11:02:23,170 --> 11:02:23,170
thank you. Thank you. Those are your registered speakers for your zoning consent agenda.

5186
11:02:29,370 --> 11:02:29,370
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Any of the zoning items that were just read into the record?

5187
11:02:37,050 --> 11:02:37,050
I don't see any. Mr. Mayor, there are no further speakers for your zoning consent agenda.

5188
11:02:42,490 --> 11:02:46,090
second. Got a motion and a second. Mr. West discussion? Yes. Thank you. I want to first say thank you.

5189
11:02:49,650 --> 11:02:49,650
I'm going to talk about zoning case two. I want to thank mr.

5190
11:02:53,730 --> 11:02:53,730
smith for being here today. And mr. David preziosi and and many of the neighbors who were
Kind of filling up this area over here where the tennis group was.

5191
11:03:02,370 --> 11:03:05,330
at first they were all kind of together over there. Z2 is a very important neighborhood led initiative to create the stevens park village
Conservation district.

5192
11:03:12,730 --> 11:03:12,730
this will be the ninth conservation district in oak cliff out of the city's 19 overall
Districts.

5193
11:03:19,490 --> 11:03:19,490
and it's the second we've passed in district one that I've had the opportunity to pass
Since I've been here.

5194
11:03:25,370 --> 11:03:25,370
I'm also excited that once this item is approved,
The next three conservation districts in the city.

5195
11:03:30,330 --> 11:03:30,330
q are also in district one. Oak cliff is lucky to have some of the oldest neighborhoods in
District one,

5196
11:03:35,570 --> 11:03:35,570
and I'm proud of the work we have done and the work ahead to protect our history.

5197
11:03:40,170 --> 11:03:40,170
if you haven't been. Stevens park village is made up of 139 houses,
132 of which were built in the 1940s,

5198
11:03:48,250 --> 11:03:48,250
seven in the 1950s and only two since 1961. 130 of the homes are built in the minimal
Traditional architectural style.

5199
11:03:57,850 --> 11:03:57,850
this conservation district process started in 2022 and kicked off in full force in the
Early 2024.

5200
11:04:06,520 --> 11:04:06,520
in 2020, five, residents submitted signed petitions from 76% of property owners to
Formally initiate the rezoning process.

5201
11:04:15,720 --> 11:04:15,720
after that, there were nine community meetings over the next year to work through a plan
To get input from neighbors.

5202
11:04:22,200 --> 11:04:22,200
I want to commend trevor brown and the preservation team in the city's planning and
Development department for doing a remarkable job on this initiative,

5203
11:04:30,080 --> 11:04:30,080
working to engage as many neighbors as possible and create protections in line with the
Neighbors requests.

5204
11:04:36,200 --> 11:04:39,680
and thank you to the city attorney's office for seeing their work through. I, of course, have to thank donovan westover,
David preziosi, and trudy newton and the many neighbors who have worked tirelessly on this

5205
11:04:47,800 --> 11:04:47,800
effort. While I have heard concerns from mr. Smith today and have met with other neighbors
Who've come to me previously after the plan commission,

5206
11:04:57,480 --> 11:04:57,480
I believe that this compromise is the best possible outcome where no one is getting
Everything they want.

5207
11:05:03,960 --> 11:05:03,960
I have heard from mr. Smith and others that there is a concern about expansion of homes.

5208
11:05:11,240 --> 11:05:11,240
what I understand from the compromises that the neighbors will be able to expand their
Homes just in a way that aligns with the current homes that are in existence.

5209
11:05:19,920 --> 11:05:19,920
of the 239 notices that were sent to property owners,
86 replied in favor and 36 in opposition.

5210
11:05:27,040 --> 11:05:27,040
this is a big win for stevens park village, oak cliff and for preservation.

5211
11:05:31,880 --> 11:05:31,880
thank you. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn. Thank you.

5212
11:05:35,960 --> 11:05:35,960
I want to say thank you for sharing with us. This meeting's agenda of zoning items.

5213
11:05:45,200 --> 11:05:45,200
wondering if staff could explain why z one was originally submitted august 14th,
2024 and why we're just seeing it.

5214
11:06:04,950 --> 11:06:04,950
I'm also going to ask about z two. Originally filed august 29th,
2022.

5215
11:06:16,910 --> 11:06:16,910
although chairman west explained that one as well.

5216
11:06:29,070 --> 11:06:29,070
so. Megan weimer, assistant director, planning and development.

5217
11:06:34,470 --> 11:06:34,470
so item z one. Yeah, it looks like it was originally submitted in 2024.

5218
11:06:41,030 --> 11:06:41,030
I believe it sat for various reasons. And then in 2025,
I think that's when it

5219
11:06:51,030 --> 11:06:51,030
was converted. The applicant wanted to move forward and it was converted to a electronic
Application in dallas now.

5220
11:07:00,630 --> 11:07:00,630
so I don't know various reasons. Was it it was lost in the conversion.

5221
11:07:07,790 --> 11:07:07,790
is it? It was deferred by a council member. I mean,
Like, I don't think it was deferred.

5222
11:07:13,990 --> 11:07:13,990
and I'm sorry, I don't have a better answer for you right now. I don't know if andrea
Knows.

5223
11:07:20,790 --> 11:07:20,790
I have to send from staff. And thank you so much for the question,
That there was a change in representation with the applicant,

5224
11:07:27,070 --> 11:07:27,070
and they went through some internal changes. So does it set dormant from the applicant
Side for a little bit.

5225
11:07:33,430 --> 11:07:36,950
and then they took it over and they restarted again. Is the applicant here for z one or anyone representing them?

5226
11:07:45,430 --> 11:07:45,430
no.

5227
11:07:56,060 --> 11:07:56,060
and the survey you do of. Satisfaction. Will they be getting a survey?

5228
11:08:04,940 --> 11:08:08,700
we don't have an automatic way of asking. Okay. Thank you for your business with us. Please fill in a survey.

5229
11:08:13,940 --> 11:08:13,940
we don't have that. But they. Obviously everybody is open to reach out to us or to anybody
To give us criticism or.

5230
11:08:22,060 --> 11:08:22,060
yes. Did you have information on z2? Yes, and thank you so much for the question.

5231
11:08:29,460 --> 11:08:29,460
item. Z2 is actually conservation district. It does.

5232
11:08:34,220 --> 11:08:34,220
it is an authorized hearing, but it is a conservation district conservation district,
As I explained last time.

5233
11:08:41,580 --> 11:08:44,100
and authorized hearings are a different type of cases. These are community driven. They take a little bit longer.

5234
11:08:47,820 --> 11:08:47,820
I do appreciate staff's a candor to put in the august 29th,
2022.

5235
11:08:55,860 --> 11:08:55,860
initial it. That's the date when the a member of the community reached out to us to
Inquire about,

5236
11:09:03,140 --> 11:09:03,140
okay, we want to start this. And you can see on page two of the staff report everything
That happens.

5237
11:09:09,700 --> 11:09:09,700
there are a lot of steps that need to happen for the petitions to be valid.

5238
11:09:13,740 --> 11:09:13,740
so we can actually start the process. So the actual process started on february 26th,
2025,

5239
11:09:21,020 --> 11:09:21,020
which is only a year ago. I would say that I would give a big kudos to the community,
Especially for conservation districts.

5240
11:09:29,140 --> 11:09:29,140
you may all remember we had a different one in district nine for lakewood that took also a
Little bit of time.

5241
11:09:35,900 --> 11:09:35,900
and it usually is pretty controversial because the communities place on themselves
Restrictions.

5242
11:09:41,700 --> 11:09:41,700
so I will give a big kudos to the community for taking so long with so little community
Meetings to actually create this conservation district.

5243
11:09:48,860 --> 11:09:52,370
so I would say that I would celebrate that this was a fast one. So you would say that four years is something to celebrate.

5244
11:09:55,730 --> 11:09:55,730
I would say this is not four years because between 2022 and 2025,
It was a lot of back and forth for the community together,

5245
11:10:04,730 --> 11:10:08,090
their signatures to decide what they're going to put in the petition. So it was a lot of work on the community. It's not on the staff side.

5246
11:10:12,170 --> 11:10:12,170
the second we received everything, as you can see on page two,
When the city staff verified signatures and it met the threshold,

5247
11:10:18,930 --> 11:10:18,930
we started to work with them. I will also make a comment that the conservation districts
Are a dedicated team,

5248
11:10:25,130 --> 11:10:25,130
and they do take them one by one, and we do have a queue.

5249
11:10:29,810 --> 11:10:29,810
so I would just like to say very specifically,
I've asked for this information.

5250
11:10:35,210 --> 11:10:35,210
I had said I would always ask for it. So I do appreciate just getting the report instead
Of having to ask for every case.

5251
11:10:41,930 --> 11:10:41,930
but asking for it is not recognizing that it is all staff that has delayed,
And I don't think that's the case.

5252
11:10:51,930 --> 11:10:51,930
and I would say that about this conservation district as well.

5253
11:10:55,970 --> 11:10:55,970
the point is, how long does it take that if somebody wants to pursue a conservation
District?

5254
11:11:01,850 --> 11:11:01,850
what I heard you say, and that's what I'm trying to confirm,
Is that, oh, you're actually pretty happy that it was almost four years.

5255
11:11:08,770 --> 11:11:12,370
and so that maybe, maybe it takes even longer than that. I don't know, it depends. Trying to understand that I don't have any conservation
Districts.

5256
11:11:16,530 --> 11:11:16,530
I've never worked on it. I did hear from my neighbor here about the efforts that went into
It,

5257
11:11:22,650 --> 11:11:22,650
but would you say that is a typical thing that one should expect for conservation?

5258
11:11:27,930 --> 11:11:27,930
I would say that I would never if somebody would come and ask us,
I would say, do not expect probably less than two years.

5259
11:11:34,170 --> 11:11:34,170
and it's because it's such a laborious work with the community and because it also needs
All this prep work.

5260
11:11:39,610 --> 11:11:39,610
it's not like, okay, I want to create a conservation district,
But the code requires us, one,

5261
11:11:44,570 --> 11:11:44,570
to make sure that your petitions are valid and you gather all of those and it's a
Threshold.

5262
11:11:49,040 --> 11:11:49,040
and then the second in your in initiation of the process,
You have to state what is the intent.

5263
11:11:56,720 --> 11:11:59,000
so there is that has to have a little bit of a scope. And that takes a little bit as well. Okay. Thank you.

5264
11:12:03,080 --> 11:12:03,080
thank you. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5265
11:12:08,440 --> 11:12:08,440
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item. Thank you,
Mr.

5266
11:12:12,760 --> 11:12:12,760
mayor. We'll move ahead slightly on your agenda.

5267
11:12:18,400 --> 11:12:18,400
your next item will be ph four. Oh. Yeah.

5268
11:12:28,600 --> 11:12:28,600
ph four is a public hearing to receive comments and an ordinance amending chapter 51,
A dallas development code,

5269
11:12:36,480 --> 11:12:36,480
ordinance number 19455, as amended, of the dallas city code by one amending section
518-3.1022.

5270
11:12:48,160 --> 11:12:48,160
amending chapter two administrative procedures for the construction codes of the dallas
City code by three.

5271
11:12:54,680 --> 11:12:54,680
amending sections two, zero seven and 306 related to the denial or revocation of a
Certificate of occupancy for

5272
11:13:04,800 --> 11:13:04,800
a use operating without a required license permit or registration for providing a penalty
Not to exceed $2,000.

5273
11:13:14,280 --> 11:13:14,280
five providing a saving clause six providing a severability clause and seven providing an
Effective date.

5274
11:13:21,360 --> 11:13:21,360
you do have three individuals who have signed up to speak on this item stephanie keller
Hudiburg.

5275
11:13:34,600 --> 11:13:34,600
yes, miss huda burgess virtual. Stephanie keller.

5276
11:13:41,670 --> 11:13:41,670
heidelberg. Yes. Yes. I'm here. You may. You may continue.

5277
11:13:48,030 --> 11:13:48,030
good evening. My name is stephanie keller heidelberg,
And I'm here on behalf of the deep ellum foundation in support of pf for deaf,

5278
11:13:54,230 --> 11:13:57,230
recently released the deep ellum community safety plan 2.0. And our number one recommendation from that plan was policy reform that improves
Accountability,

5279
11:14:01,950 --> 11:14:04,910
coordination and consistency across city departments. Pf four offers exactly that type of reform. Today,
A business can fail to obtain a required lose a required permit,

5280
11:14:11,710 --> 11:14:11,710
or operate outside the activity was approved for and yet still continue to operate under a
Certificate of occupancy.

5281
11:14:17,070 --> 11:14:17,070
because city departments are not aligned between permitting,
Planning and enforcement, a ceo should not become a shield that allows a business to

5282
11:14:24,750 --> 11:14:24,750
continue operating after a city department has determined it is no longer authorized to
Conduct that activity,

5283
11:14:30,030 --> 11:14:30,030
or, more commonly, that it was never conducting under their approved activity in the first
Place.

5284
11:14:34,670 --> 11:14:34,670
what pf four does is simple. It's an administrative alignment measure that closes a
Loophole in existing policy intent and enforcement.

5285
11:14:42,470 --> 11:14:44,750
and it's a loophole the size of about a mack truck. That's been a problem for years. Our business is in deep ellum,
Get frustrated and often ask,

5286
11:14:49,070 --> 11:14:49,070
why is it that I have to follow certain rules and standards and my neighbor doesn't,
Even though they're doing the exact same type of activities that I do in deep ellum,

5287
11:14:57,110 --> 11:14:57,110
we've had businesses get their bar sup denied due to persistent criminal activity and open
Back up with a restaurant ceo in a matter of weeks without changing how they operate at

5288
11:15:05,310 --> 11:15:05,310
all. And because this issue has persisted so long,
Most commonly we actually see bars and clubs simply get the wrong ceo to begin with

5289
11:15:11,390 --> 11:15:11,390
because all their neighbors did, because it's less costly and administratively burdensome
To do so,

5290
11:15:16,030 --> 11:15:16,030
and because city enforcement teams can't effectively do anything about it when the
Loophole exists. This is not because city staff are not doing their jobs,

5291
11:15:22,950 --> 11:15:22,950
but because some departments actions are being undermined by another's required processes.

5292
11:15:27,670 --> 11:15:27,670
ph for improves that coordination. It supports accountability,
It supports consistency, and it helps ensure that businesses operating responsibly are not

5293
11:15:34,710 --> 11:15:38,390
disadvantaged by those who do not choose to follow the same rules. Yes, it is more onerous to become a bar or commercial amusement establishment than a
Restaurant,

5294
11:15:42,870 --> 11:15:42,870
and that's exactly as it should be. Everyone should be operating to the same standard that
Use really requires to keep employees in the public safe.

5295
11:15:50,390 --> 11:15:53,750
when large quantities of alcohol are consumed late at night. Ph four doesn't create new requirements or new permits.

5296
11:15:56,150 --> 11:15:58,670
it does not create a new ability to revoke a coe. That ability already existed at the staff level.

5297
11:16:01,270 --> 11:16:05,070
ph four only impacts a business once their ceo has already been revoked or denied. In most cases. This comes after enforcement agents have done multiple successive rounds of
Education warnings and citations.

5298
11:16:11,350 --> 11:16:14,630
that process typically takes a long time. It's not a surprise. So this item shouldn't be conflated with entertainment licenses or zoning reform.

5299
11:16:18,470 --> 11:16:18,470
those conversations are critically important,
And we must continue to advance them. We need a cohesive strategy around how we support,

5300
11:16:24,550 --> 11:16:28,390
uplift and regulate nightlife in dallas. But in advance of that today. This is just a necessary procedural step in a cleanup.

5301
11:16:31,310 --> 11:16:31,310
I want to thank council, city staff and deputy mayor pro tem moreno for the tremendous
Amount of work that has gone into improving public safety,

5302
11:16:37,660 --> 11:16:40,140
while also making dallas a better place to do business. And thank you all for continuing to be with us this late into the evening.

5303
11:16:43,500 --> 11:16:43,500
we're grateful. Thank you. Alan faulkner.

5304
11:16:53,820 --> 11:16:53,820
thank you. There's a button at the base of your.

5305
11:16:59,620 --> 11:17:03,220
can you hear me now? Thank you. Okay. My name is alan faulkner. I am the vp of the deep ellum community association.

5306
11:17:06,780 --> 11:17:10,740
I'm an owner of the charlie starr lounge, which is a dive bar in east dallas. And I'm also the owner and operator of the nines in deep ellum,
Which is a hip hop nightclub.

5307
11:17:15,740 --> 11:17:15,740
I'm here in support of pf four. I do not have a prepared statement,
So I'm just going to speak from my gut and from my heart.

5308
11:17:22,780 --> 11:17:22,780
here's the thing. I've been a member of deep ellum since 1985.

5309
11:17:27,420 --> 11:17:31,060
I have owned and operated a nightclub in deep ellum for over 12 years now. I've watched it ebb and flow. Currently, I see more police,
More security, more officers more compliance.

5310
11:17:40,900 --> 11:17:40,900
just the area is completely filled, but we're still having problems.

5311
11:17:45,740 --> 11:17:49,700
the problems is not that we don't have enough boots on the ground. The problem is code. The problem is the rules and the regulations.

5312
11:17:53,540 --> 11:17:53,540
I personally feel that in my support of pf four,
It will help clean up some of these loopholes.

5313
11:18:00,060 --> 11:18:00,060
we currently we have we're the only club in deep ellum that has a dance hall license.

5314
11:18:06,620 --> 11:18:06,620
we have the proper co, we have an sup, we have a liquor license.

5315
11:18:10,780 --> 11:18:10,780
we have everything that we need to operate. It is not that difficult.

5316
11:18:15,140 --> 11:18:15,140
it is expensive. It is time consuming. These things are correct,
But it's not that difficult for other owner operators to do it.

5317
11:18:22,020 --> 11:18:22,020
so I'm just here just to speak my mind and say please help us out.

5318
11:18:26,660 --> 11:18:29,660
we've had we had a terrible shooting last august. We had another terrible shooting happened on cinco de mayo.

5319
11:18:33,810 --> 11:18:33,810
I'm not here to throw anybody under the bus,
But if some of these owner operators weren't down there causing these problems,

5320
11:18:40,850 --> 11:18:43,570
we wouldn't have these problems. Deep ellum would be safer. Dallas would be safer. Right now we're in the middle of fifa.

5321
11:18:46,410 --> 11:18:48,850
we have all these fifa fans running around dallas. I lose sleep every night because I think something's going to happen,
And it's going to put dallas in a negative light on the world stage.

5322
11:18:55,010 --> 11:18:55,010
that needs to not happen. So I'm just here to ask you please support ph four.

5323
11:19:00,490 --> 11:19:00,490
thank you. Thank you. Jonathan hetzel. Hello.

5324
11:19:09,690 --> 11:19:09,690
jon hetzel, managing partner of madison partners,
President of deep ellum foundation and chair of the deep ellum tif board.

5325
11:19:15,810 --> 11:19:18,010
I'll try to keep it brief. We're all up really late. I got to be up in five in the morning myself.

5326
11:19:20,490 --> 11:19:20,490
I'll just say, we wouldn't all still be here this late.

5327
11:19:25,330 --> 11:19:25,330
and it's not just alan, stephanie and I, we have brittany,
The president of deep ellum community association.

5328
11:19:30,610 --> 11:19:33,210
we got chris dalton up there with asana partners. If we didn't think this was both critical and absolutely urgent,
We have been screaming from the rooftop for three plus years for policy

5329
11:19:42,770 --> 11:19:42,770
change. We're finally here. We had the cinco de mayo shooting,
But some of you might remember last 4th of july,

5330
11:19:50,050 --> 11:19:50,050
we had massive shootings. There was a huge neighborhood meeting after that,
Well covered by the press.

5331
11:19:56,890 --> 11:19:56,890
the number one thing the neighborhood demanded,
Including the restaurant and bar operators,

5332
11:20:02,210 --> 11:20:02,210
was enforce the rules on the books. This is how we enforce the rules on the books.

5333
11:20:09,890 --> 11:20:09,890
this is a rule that already exists. It just needs a little bit of administrative cleanup.

5334
11:20:15,490 --> 11:20:15,490
we need a backstop for the extreme, egregious situations that destroy neighborhoods.

5335
11:20:22,810 --> 11:20:22,810
this is that backstop for people that just absolutely refuse to follow the rules despite
Repeated warnings,

5336
11:20:30,200 --> 11:20:30,200
citations, just paying the fines because they know they'll never be held accountable
Otherwise.

5337
11:20:36,480 --> 11:20:36,480
this is critical not just for deep ellum, for the entire city.

5338
11:20:40,840 --> 11:20:40,840
this has been a problem where the largest property owner in lower greenville,
I remember we had the problem there.

5339
11:20:46,240 --> 11:20:46,240
councilman stewart probably remembers when she was president of udi or executive director
About the problem in uptown that they had there.

5340
11:20:53,480 --> 11:20:56,360
this moves around design district could be next. Bishop arts could be next. This is not just a deep ellum thing.

5341
11:21:01,000 --> 11:21:01,000
unless we can enforce the rules on the books and have real consequences for actions.

5342
11:21:05,760 --> 11:21:09,760
we're never going to solve these problems. It's in deep ellum now. It'll move. Please help us. We're going to continue working on the entertainment license.

5343
11:21:15,640 --> 11:21:15,640
it's a separate issue with a little bit of overlap,
But that's not going to solve it by itself.

5344
11:21:21,360 --> 11:21:25,280
thank you all. Thank you. Those are your registered speakers. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item four?

5345
11:21:32,120 --> 11:21:35,000
I have a speaker coming forward. We'll be given three minutes. Please state your name and address for the record.

5346
11:21:42,080 --> 11:21:45,360
good evening, city council. My name is brian lee. My address is outside of the city of dallas. I have been a resident of the suburbs of
Dallas for most of my life.

5347
11:21:51,840 --> 11:21:51,840
I was born in the city of dallas at a time when my father served on the dallas police
Department.

5348
11:21:57,440 --> 11:22:00,960
I serve as the president of the community association. I'm also a working photographer, artist and arts organization organizer in the district.

5349
11:22:06,720 --> 11:22:06,720
I have been a regular patron of deep ellum businesses since I discovered art galleries,
Music venues,

5350
11:22:12,640 --> 11:22:12,640
and coffee shops in my early teens. I have devoted my adult life to projects like the deep
Ellum arts festival,

5351
11:22:19,520 --> 11:22:23,400
the deep ellum community center, and the deep ellum community arts fair. The past few years marked the only period I have ever felt concerned for my safety and the
Safety of those around me.

5352
11:22:31,350 --> 11:22:31,350
all because a few bad businesses have figured out how to exploit a massive administrative
Loophole.

5353
11:22:37,310 --> 11:22:37,310
I am here today in support of pf four. As someone who spends much of my time in deep
Ellum,

5354
11:22:43,830 --> 11:22:43,830
I care deeply about preserving the unique culture that makes this neighborhood special.

5355
11:22:49,030 --> 11:22:49,030
that culture depends on vibrant businesses, thriving arts venues,
And public spaces where people feel safe to gather.

5356
11:22:57,830 --> 11:22:57,830
for years, I have witnessed the same frustrations from responsible business owners.

5357
11:23:03,630 --> 11:23:03,630
they invest the time and money to obtain the proper permits,
Comply with regulations, and operate responsibly,

5358
11:23:12,270 --> 11:23:12,270
while others are allowed to conduct the same activities without meeting the same
Standards.

5359
11:23:18,590 --> 11:23:18,590
that's not fair. It's not fair to businesses.

5360
11:23:22,790 --> 11:23:22,790
it's not fair to residents, and it's not fair to the artists and cultural organizations
Which depend on a healthy district to do their work.

5361
11:23:30,590 --> 11:23:30,590
ph four is not a new regulation. It's not an attack on nightlife.

5362
11:23:36,110 --> 11:23:39,790
it's not a change to zoning or to the future entertainment license. It is a common sense administrative fix. If a business is required to have a permit or
License to conduct an activity and that permit is

5363
11:23:49,510 --> 11:23:49,510
denied, revoked or never obtained, it should not be able to continue operating through a
Loophole in their certificate of occupancy process.

5364
11:23:59,470 --> 11:23:59,470
the community safety plan 2.0 calls for greater accountability and better coordination
Between city departments.

5365
11:24:05,710 --> 11:24:05,710
ph four moves us in that direction. As someone who has devoted my life to helping bring
People together through art,

5366
11:24:12,150 --> 11:24:12,150
culture and community events, I believe strong neighborhoods require both creativity and
Accountability.

5367
11:24:19,510 --> 11:24:23,180
those values are not in conflict. They support each other. Ph four helps ensure that everyone plays by the same rules,
And that responsible operators are not disadvantaged by those who choose not to play by

5368
11:24:31,740 --> 11:24:35,420
the rules. I respectfully ask for your support. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would like to
Address the city council on ph four?

5369
11:24:43,220 --> 11:24:46,260
no further speakers, mr. Mayor. Mr. Moreno thank you. Mayor. I move to approve this item. Second. Got a motion and a second discussion,
Mr.

5370
11:24:51,060 --> 11:24:51,060
moreno. Yes, mayor. Thank you. Colleagues, this is one of the biggest and most critical
Vote that I will be taking as my time on this dallas city council.

5371
11:25:00,580 --> 11:25:00,580
this item has received its fair share from business owners,
Residents, various city departments,

5372
11:25:07,020 --> 11:25:07,020
including dpd and dfr. I want to thank dpd, our chief,
For still being here.

5373
11:25:12,860 --> 11:25:12,860
he knows how important this vote is today to our city manager's office.

5374
11:25:18,140 --> 11:25:18,140
thank you for making today happen. This item has received.

5375
11:25:22,820 --> 11:25:22,820
as I said, a lot of input. This item is really just a technical cleanup to a document
Similar to many that we consider as council throughout the year.

5376
11:25:32,340 --> 11:25:32,340
our certificate of occupancy process is designed to function in specific ways,
And it is my opinion that our efforts to enforce the provisions of our code

5377
11:25:42,220 --> 11:25:42,220
for ceos are insufficient for the benefit of our communities.

5378
11:25:47,580 --> 11:25:47,580
additionally, our current method of operation is a disservice to our business owners who
Do the right thing,

5379
11:25:54,460 --> 11:25:54,460
who struggle to navigate an ambitious code. It's not fair for businesses to be held
Accountable to an unclear and insufficient process,

5380
11:26:04,660 --> 11:26:04,660
and that confusion creates real problems that impact our community members.

5381
11:26:09,780 --> 11:26:09,780
it is a disservice to the community at large who cannot identify the process themselves,
To hold us and our staff accountable.

5382
11:26:17,850 --> 11:26:17,850
staff should have a very clear set of codes to operate from,
And it is our responsibility as a city council to make this happen.

5383
11:26:27,090 --> 11:26:27,090
discussions about the entertainment permits have also come up in this discussion.

5384
11:26:31,570 --> 11:26:31,570
I'm supportive of that conversation and expect that staff will work quickly to provide an
Update on that issue.

5385
11:26:38,090 --> 11:26:38,090
however, this cannot wait for an entertainment permit to go into effect.

5386
11:26:42,490 --> 11:26:42,490
the coe process involves issues beyond entertainment permits.

5387
11:26:47,290 --> 11:26:47,290
I recognize that this is an issue that's important to many community members and
Businesses.

5388
11:26:52,930 --> 11:26:52,930
so I do have I'll stop there on this round. But again colleagues,
I know it's late.

5389
11:27:00,650 --> 11:27:00,650
it's, we're going into midnight and these are the times that we need ordinances like this
In place to be

5390
11:27:10,370 --> 11:27:13,010
updated. This is the real work that's being done. And so I just want to thank city manager your entire team for bringing this.

5391
11:27:17,490 --> 11:27:17,490
I had multiple meetings with you and your team on how important it was to bring policy
Changes,

5392
11:27:24,010 --> 11:27:26,450
and so I just want to thank you for making today happen. And again, colleagues, I hope that I can gain your support on this. Thank you. Council
Member roth, thank you.

5393
11:27:33,250 --> 11:27:33,250
I really am sensitive to the fact that bad actors need to be punished.

5394
11:27:37,570 --> 11:27:41,570
they need to be stopped. They need to be out of business. And the this ordinance seems to address those things.

5395
11:27:45,610 --> 11:27:45,610
in reading it. I'm not it's not really clear to me though what the appeal process is.

5396
11:27:54,130 --> 11:27:54,130
if somebody is, is revoked, gets their, their co revoked.

5397
11:28:00,290 --> 11:28:00,290
we had talked about this, I think in committee but there's been an addition to this
Ordinance that,

5398
11:28:06,890 --> 11:28:06,890
that seems to indicate to me that the revocation authorization comes from the,
Or the, the

5399
11:28:18,480 --> 11:28:18,480
city staff. And that there is no appeal under certain circumstances to the,
To the, the

5400
11:28:28,360 --> 11:28:28,360
revocation of the certificate of occupancy. Could you please explain to me in,
In regular terms how this really works practically?

5401
11:28:37,640 --> 11:28:37,640
I'm, I want to make sure that we're that we're taking care of getting the bad actors out.

5402
11:28:44,200 --> 11:28:44,200
but I also don't want to allow the city staff to weaponize this against any particular
Operator or not allow an

5403
11:28:53,760 --> 11:28:53,760
operator to have a legitimate legal recourse to seek an appeal if there is a dispute or if
There's a an honest

5404
11:29:03,520 --> 11:29:03,520
question of, of compliance. Could you so please run me through how we could fix this to
Make sure it's enforceable.

5405
11:29:11,400 --> 11:29:11,400
sure. Thank you. Council member our good morning council member,
Robin bentley with the city manager's office.

5406
11:29:17,600 --> 11:29:17,600
and I'm joined by sam eskander, deputy director and our building official.

5407
11:29:21,800 --> 11:29:21,800
as council member moreno. And some of our speakers mentioned,
We already have in the city code the authority for the building official to revoke a coe.

5408
11:29:30,880 --> 11:29:30,880
if a business does not have a proper permit,
License or other required you know, documentation that they're supposed to have.

5409
11:29:38,000 --> 11:29:38,000
that's not changing. What is changing is the appeals process,
As you mentioned, and I'm going to give this a crack,

5410
11:29:42,880 --> 11:29:42,880
sam, and then you jump in and correct me if I say it wrong,
Because it's very late right now.

5411
11:29:47,280 --> 11:29:47,280
if the building official revokes a coe because a business does not have the proper permit
Or license,

5412
11:29:52,360 --> 11:29:52,360
the appeal will go to the board of adjustment or bia.

5413
11:29:57,240 --> 11:29:57,240
thank you. What we are trying to change here is to say instead,
That the appeal would go to whichever body governs the missing permit or license.

5414
11:30:07,000 --> 11:30:10,360
so if you're missing a dance hall license, for example. Then your appeal would need to go to, I guess dpd issues those licenses.

5415
11:30:14,440 --> 11:30:14,440
so it's the. Thank you. The permit and license appeal board governs dance hall licenses,
So you would need to appeal to whoever is the governing body for your missing

5416
11:30:24,720 --> 11:30:24,720
documentation. And it wouldn't be appealable as an error of the building official,
Which doesn't make a lot of sense.

5417
11:30:30,960 --> 11:30:30,960
so it's just a technical cleanup on the appeals process to to make sure people are getting
The proper paperwork.

5418
11:30:36,800 --> 11:30:39,360
so very administrative. The authority is already there. We're just cleaning up the administration. Did I miss anything,
Sam?

5419
11:30:42,760 --> 11:30:42,760
okay. Listen, I appreciate the explanation. I don't think that's what this ordinance

5420
11:30:52,200 --> 11:30:52,200
says. And again, I'm not trying to to to deep six the ordinance.

5421
11:30:56,920 --> 11:30:56,920
I want to make sure it's enforceable because you're preparing something here that that
That you may not be able to get the results that you want.

5422
11:31:06,200 --> 11:31:06,200
so anyway, I would encourage if I don't understand it,
I don't know that it's, it's real clear.

5423
11:31:14,990 --> 11:31:14,990
so if, if that's the intent is to have a non compliance appeal,
Go to a particular appeal department.

5424
11:31:24,430 --> 11:31:24,430
that's not clear to me. If it's not to, if it's to only go back to the,
To the enforcement of facility of,

5425
11:31:33,110 --> 11:31:33,110
of the, of the building inspection department,
The same person who revoked the license is your appeal board.

5426
11:31:39,990 --> 11:31:42,350
that's not appropriate either. I don't think so. Again, if it wasn't clear and I didn't read it in depth,
I'm sure the legal counsel is has vetted it,

5427
11:31:49,790 --> 11:31:49,790
but I want to make sure that that you all that you all have something that's that's
Enforceable.

5428
11:31:57,630 --> 11:31:57,630
yeah. And to be clear, we're sam would never be the person to review anyone's appeal.

5429
11:32:03,190 --> 11:32:03,190
what we're trying to do is make sure that the appeal is tied to the issue.

5430
11:32:07,310 --> 11:32:07,310
and so by tying the appeal to the missing piece of paper,
Then that's where you go to find out if you actually did have the correct permit.

5431
11:32:16,750 --> 11:32:16,750
and, and we were wrong. Or rather than saying sam made an error in a determination,
It's just a logical cleanup on the appeal process.

5432
11:32:25,590 --> 11:32:25,590
but sam himself will never be reviewing anyone's appeal and bert or sam jump in if if we
Need any clarification there and during the appeal

5433
11:32:35,470 --> 11:32:35,470
or if there is an appeal, it should be clear that that certificate,
Once it's revoked, that the occupancy stops

5434
11:32:44,990 --> 11:32:48,630
until the appeal or something. I guess there was a gap there. And we talked about this in the committee, but I guess it wasn't it wasn't fleshed out
Sufficiently.

5435
11:32:54,870 --> 11:32:58,150
anyway. I think that the devil is going to be in the details. I hope that you all don't get any conflict and,
And, and bad response, but you'll see on your first cup test cases.

5436
11:33:07,740 --> 11:33:11,740
and I hope that that it that it's effective. Council member. Gracey. Thank you. I am supporting this. Originally I was going to defer this,
And the

5437
11:33:21,620 --> 11:33:21,620
reason I was going to defer it was to align with the license entertainment.

5438
11:33:26,140 --> 11:33:28,860
and I know these are separate items, but they're not. There is some overlap. And I think that overlap is what could create some problems here.

5439
11:33:33,780 --> 11:33:33,780
so I do have some concern about this. I can appreciate what it what what its intended
Purpose for and everything that some of those businesses have been going

5440
11:33:43,500 --> 11:33:43,500
through. You hear about it all the time, been around it,
Grew up around it.

5441
11:33:48,780 --> 11:33:48,780
but some of the concerns I'm hearing as of recent is how this is how is it monitored and
Managed and,

5442
11:33:58,340 --> 11:33:58,340
and regulated like. Who's, who's, who's responsible for just managing this.

5443
11:34:05,380 --> 11:34:09,060
if somebody is out of compliance, one, how do you find out about it? And then who is responsible for doing is that code or is that police?

5444
11:34:16,060 --> 11:34:16,060
yeah. Great question. And this is another clarification in the code amendment is to make
Clear that the building official can rely on a determination by dpd by dfr

5445
11:34:26,020 --> 11:34:26,020
by code compliance. So if code goes out and does a full investigation and determines that
There's a missing license,

5446
11:34:32,060 --> 11:34:34,660
sam doesn't need to do his own separate investigation. He can rely on the investigation from chris christian or from chief cuomo or from another
Agency within the city that's done the investigation and and revoke

5447
11:34:44,700 --> 11:34:48,460
a co based on their determination. And how do they get out there? That's I'm still not clear on that. And have any of have any code been revoked yet?

5448
11:34:54,220 --> 11:34:54,220
and then if so, how many where, who, whatever.

5449
11:34:58,580 --> 11:35:02,010
if you don't have that report, I'd love to see that because I have asked for that. But then the other piece is how do they find out if there's a bad performer?

5450
11:35:06,490 --> 11:35:06,490
I'm still trying to get my head around that because that's where my heartburn lies a
Little bit.

5451
11:35:13,690 --> 11:35:13,690
and not to say anything with these, these folks or anything,
But if I'm a competitor and I decide I don't like this one and I'm,

5452
11:35:20,330 --> 11:35:20,330
hey, I'm going to go here and call, make a call right quick and do that. And you start
Having all of that. And pretty soon what you're going to have is an empty deep ellum or an

5453
11:35:27,930 --> 11:35:30,530
empty bishop arts or an empty this because of that. So I'm trying to make sure we don't over regulate.

5454
11:35:34,010 --> 11:35:37,010
and somebody said, you know, dallas is the fun police. They want to take everything away. And that hurt me a little bit to hear that.

5455
11:35:41,130 --> 11:35:41,130
and I need you all to know that that's some of the,
The, the issues and concerns.

5456
11:35:45,370 --> 11:35:48,410
well, I did know that there are some bad behaviors. I just have some real heartburn about inconsistencies on how this is managed.

5457
11:35:58,690 --> 11:35:58,690
sam, just let me know. In his two years as our building official,
He has never revoked a ceo under this code.

5458
11:36:04,450 --> 11:36:04,450
this existing code provision, because it has been so onerous on the personal liability of
The building official and so unclear as to how to make

5459
11:36:14,410 --> 11:36:14,410
the determination. And so I think that's that's the direction we're trying to head,
Is to make it a simpler process for him to do enforcement action based on the

5460
11:36:24,410 --> 11:36:27,890
investigations of our partners. And then you didn't answer. So how how is it how are these businesses identified?

5461
11:36:34,690 --> 11:36:34,690
thank you so much for your question. So like you alluded earlier,
We do get complaints.

5462
11:36:38,930 --> 11:36:41,930
so code compliance would respond to those complaints. If it's not a valid complaint then there is no enforcement.

5463
11:36:46,130 --> 11:36:46,130
if there is a valid complaint then we just go through the process to address it.

5464
11:36:50,330 --> 11:36:50,330
and just to build up on what acm robin bentley said this would provide more consistency
And clear guidelines,

5465
11:36:59,080 --> 11:36:59,080
even for our code compliance officers. So yes.

5466
11:37:03,400 --> 11:37:03,400
all right. Well, I yeah. So and you said you don't have any any reports of any violations
Or anything as of yet.

5467
11:37:11,040 --> 11:37:11,040
I don't necessarily see oh revocations, but any fines,
Fees or anything related to some of these restaurants around this industry.

5468
11:37:19,720 --> 11:37:22,960
I do not have that data with me, but we can follow up with that. Okay. All right. Thank you, miss mendelsohn. Thank you.

5469
11:37:27,320 --> 11:37:27,320
well, I'm just going to start off by saying congratulations to council member moreno.

5470
11:37:31,400 --> 11:37:31,400
I know you've worked so hard on this, and although it's a zoning agenda with an ordinance
Change for me,

5471
11:37:37,800 --> 11:37:37,800
it's public safety policy. And I look forward to seeing some of our crime issues in deep
Ellum be addressed.

5472
11:37:46,480 --> 11:37:46,480
really think about it with, with this kind of an amendment.

5473
11:37:51,040 --> 11:37:51,040
I think it's a very welcome change and I don't see dvd as the fun police.

5474
11:37:56,720 --> 11:37:56,720
I see them as needing to do more enforcement,
And I think other departments need to do more enforcement.

5475
11:38:04,720 --> 11:38:04,720
and when we have clarity on what the rules are and what our laws are,
Then we can do that.

5476
11:38:09,920 --> 11:38:09,920
but it's when we write things that are not buttoned up,
That that confusion leads to inaction and paralysis,

5477
11:38:18,280 --> 11:38:18,280
because nobody wants to be on the wrong side of it,
And we don't want to get sued, and no one else wants to get sued.

5478
11:38:23,640 --> 11:38:23,640
and this is how we have bad actors. So I really welcome everybody's work and making this
Happen.

5479
11:38:31,120 --> 11:38:31,120
I'm 100% in support. Thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

5480
11:38:35,760 --> 11:38:35,760
thank you, mr. Mayor. Congratulations. Councilman you said earlier about doing the work
And you've done the work.

5481
11:38:44,600 --> 11:38:44,600
you've you've been in the community, working with your community,
Having meetings.

5482
11:38:50,120 --> 11:38:50,120
and this is what this is what it takes, you know,
And, and I'm going to support you because we see that you've done the work and,

5483
11:38:58,070 --> 11:39:01,030
and city manager, thank you for working with council member. Moreno. This is I know this is what he said. This is one of the biggest votes he's taken
Since since he's been here.

5484
11:39:08,950 --> 11:39:08,950
so who I understand, I understand the work. I understand how passionate you are concerning
This and,

5485
11:39:16,070 --> 11:39:16,070
and many meetings you you've had. And so I'm honored to go ahead and support this and make
Sure that it's safe.

5486
11:39:23,030 --> 11:39:23,030
I, I have friends down there. I have band members that play at freeman.

5487
11:39:28,510 --> 11:39:28,510
and so I understand I'm there a lot. My wife and I,
As one of our date spots.

5488
11:39:32,830 --> 11:39:32,830
so I understand what you're trying to do and what,
And we need it to be safe down there for everyone.

5489
11:39:38,590 --> 11:39:38,590
so I definitely will be supporting this. Thank you,
Councilmember west. Thank you.

5490
11:39:43,390 --> 11:39:43,390
I was hopeful at the beginning of the process when the city manager did a great job of
Partnering up with the community to to launch the

5491
11:39:53,270 --> 11:39:53,270
nighttime entertainment task force. When we were having some confusion about,
Well, there was an enforcement of the rules that I think we didn't even know

5492
11:40:03,150 --> 11:40:03,150
were rules at the time. And there were some businesses getting shut down that we were not
Intentional bad actors for,

5493
11:40:09,550 --> 11:40:09,550
per se. My hope and expectation was that this ordinance would be worked on in conjunction
With the nighttime entertainment permit,

5494
11:40:19,270 --> 11:40:19,270
which would allow music to take place in restaurants without a bunch of hassle that I
Think somewhat got done.

5495
11:40:26,030 --> 11:40:26,030
but this piece has moved forward a little faster because it's been worked on longer for a
Couple years,

5496
11:40:32,070 --> 11:40:32,070
as john has said. And so I was a little hesitant when I saw this on here to support it.

5497
11:40:37,230 --> 11:40:37,230
I know that some of the restaurant folks who've been working on the,
The, the entertainment permit piece are disappointed that this is going forward,

5498
11:40:46,270 --> 11:40:48,860
but I understand how important it is for deep ellum. I'm going to support it. My hope, and as we move forward,
Is that the task force will continue to meet with the restaurant association and with all

5499
11:40:58,660 --> 11:40:58,660
those restaurants that are trying to figure out a way to operate legally by having
Musicians be in the restaurant and not be accused of being the the

5500
11:41:08,620 --> 11:41:08,620
bottle service kind of party zone that are causing the problems with dpd and deep ellum.

5501
11:41:13,740 --> 11:41:13,740
and so we got to find that happy medium. But at the end of the day,
I do support this.

5502
11:41:18,340 --> 11:41:18,340
I know that, you know, I, I feel your challenges and we see a little bit of the challenges
Of deep ellum creeping into bishop arts.

5503
11:41:26,220 --> 11:41:29,580
and so I'm glad this ordinance is coming forward. And I look forward to reviewing it in a few months to make sure it's being applied
Adequately.

5504
11:41:35,180 --> 11:41:35,180
thank you, mr. Moreno. Council member. Gracey.

5505
11:41:47,140 --> 11:41:47,140
I can't remember if I said it. I am proud of the work and I don't want to gloss over that,

5506
11:41:52,060 --> 11:41:52,060
and I did. So I did publicly want to shout out jessie for the work that he's done,
And I don't want to discount any of that work.

5507
11:41:59,740 --> 11:41:59,740
and that was not my intent. It was just making sure to,
To chad's point that we could roll these out together.

5508
11:42:06,820 --> 11:42:09,660
so that some of those things could all be factored in together. So again, I don't want to discount you. Great job on the work.

5509
11:42:12,820 --> 11:42:15,300
great job to city staff and all of that. And great job. Again, it wasn't a just concerns that needed to be voiced.

5510
11:42:19,420 --> 11:42:19,420
so thank you. Congratulations mr. Moreno. Thank you mayor.

5511
11:42:24,900 --> 11:42:24,900
I do want to call chief combs since he's been here all day,
And just ask him if he's in support of this ordinance.

5512
11:42:33,940 --> 11:42:33,940
I think we need a gorilla. Come on. Chief. Good morning.

5513
11:42:42,740 --> 11:42:46,450
don't. Don't be a good morning, preacher. I got here at 9 a.m. And it's 1220. It's morning again. Thank you for giving us an extra tool in our toolbox to
Keep everyone safe in dallas.

5514
11:42:55,570 --> 11:42:55,570
thank you chief. Guys. Dallas is the the ninth largest city.

5515
11:43:00,730 --> 11:43:00,730
I want to make sure that we have a vibrant, thriving nightlife,
But it has to be a safe one.

5516
11:43:06,090 --> 11:43:06,090
and so I please urge my colleagues to support this ordinance.

5517
11:43:10,130 --> 11:43:13,490
thank you mayor. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed?

5518
11:43:17,170 --> 11:43:20,250
motion carries. Next item please. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. We'll now go back to your first pulled zoning item.

5519
11:43:24,850 --> 11:43:24,850
item z seven, item z seven is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new planned
Development district for mha manufactured

5520
11:43:34,450 --> 11:43:34,450
home. And see our community retail uses with consideration for mh a manufactured home and
See our community retail districts on

5521
11:43:44,410 --> 11:43:44,410
property on the east line of haymarket road and the south line of hazel crest drive.

5522
11:43:55,890 --> 11:43:55,890
mr. Mayor, we sent 88 notices to property owners within 500ft of the area of request.

5523
11:44:02,650 --> 11:44:02,650
we received four replies in favor and three replies in opposition.

5524
11:44:08,810 --> 11:44:08,810
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item,
Jonathan vincent.

5525
11:44:15,530 --> 11:44:18,730
thank you, mr. Mayor. Council members, my name is jonathan vincent. 2323. Ross here representing the applicant. 1916 club development.

5526
11:44:23,610 --> 11:44:23,610
this is about a 99 acre site at the lbj service road and haymarket in the far south east
Dallas in district

5527
11:44:33,530 --> 11:44:33,530
eight. It's currently zoned partially r ten partially ag.

5528
11:44:38,210 --> 11:44:41,090
we're asking for a new pd with two subdistricts. The top subdistrict on the north side is the smaller one.

5529
11:44:44,490 --> 11:44:44,490
it's going to have a cr base for some community serving retail.

5530
11:44:49,650 --> 11:44:49,650
on the bottom part will be a first class recreational vehicle park with provisions made
For cottages also.

5531
11:44:57,570 --> 11:45:01,570
this is for people who want to come to town for a convention or,
You know, an athletic event. Things like that gives them a really nice place to stay.

5532
11:45:04,050 --> 11:45:06,730
it's got a 26 acre pond. It's got a walking trail. It's the former. Most of it's the former ruby balds landscape nursery,
Growing area and storage area.

5533
11:45:13,890 --> 11:45:13,890
it's currently all vacant land. So we're asking for your approval of this new pd for the
99 acres with the two subdistricts.

5534
11:45:22,010 --> 11:45:22,010
I want to give several people. Thanks. First of all,
Council member blair has been super collaborative on this.

5535
11:45:30,490 --> 11:45:30,490
she's worked really hard and given us some great input and I think has made it a better
Project,

5536
11:45:35,090 --> 11:45:35,090
really has safeguarded the community, eliminated some uses that might have been of concern
And done some other things that we think has made it a better project.

5537
11:45:44,080 --> 11:45:44,080
commissioner franklin on plan commission. Same thing really helped us out a lot,
Made it better.

5538
11:45:49,520 --> 11:45:49,520
and city staff doctor mona hashemi and megan,
Who you just saw and city attorney's office all worked really hard on it.

5539
11:45:59,080 --> 11:45:59,080
we all worked together to make this a better thing and define some things. It's kind of a
New type of project,

5540
11:46:04,120 --> 11:46:04,120
sort of outside the box. So we all had to do some serious thinking about how do you define
Some of these uses?

5541
11:46:09,600 --> 11:46:09,600
include some exclude others. Applicant already owns the property,
So they're ready to go.

5542
11:46:14,440 --> 11:46:14,440
as megan said, the cpc recommended approval unanimously.

5543
11:46:19,840 --> 11:46:22,760
the staff is supporting this. You know, I think it's a great project. And without belaboring this any further we have an alternative ordinance because we did
Some more work on it after cpc.

5544
11:46:30,040 --> 11:46:30,040
and I believe council member blair has an alternative motion,
Which we are in support of and would respectfully ask for your approval and happy to

5545
11:46:39,080 --> 11:46:42,240
answer any questions you might have. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would like to address the city
Council on item z seven?

5546
11:46:49,320 --> 11:46:52,400
no further speakers, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion? Yes, sir. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move to approve the zoning.

5547
11:46:58,240 --> 11:46:58,240
the zoning request with changes as recommended by the city planning commission with the
Following changes.

5548
11:47:05,400 --> 11:47:05,400
animal production, commercial stables and private stables are uses are permitted by right
In subdistrict one or I

5549
11:47:15,080 --> 11:47:15,080
two. Or equipment rental furniture stores and household equipment and appliance repair or
Uses are prohibited.

5550
11:47:23,120 --> 11:47:23,120
define small box discount store to mean a general merchandise or food store.

5551
11:47:28,000 --> 11:47:28,000
3500ft² or less that offer food, beverages, household products,
Personal grooming and health products and other items,

5552
11:47:37,510 --> 11:47:40,910
and does not sell gasoline and prohibit that. Use. A maximum of two restaurants with drive ins or drive thru services are permitted and
May only be located in a multi-tenant

5553
11:47:50,910 --> 11:47:50,910
building with two or more separate suite. Financial institutes with drive in windows and
Beauty or barber supply shops are not

5554
11:48:00,390 --> 11:48:00,390
prohibited. Use are not prohibited. Uses. Maximum number of stories is two.

5555
11:48:07,390 --> 11:48:07,390
transient stands are not considered. Parking spaces for purpose of electric vehicle
Charging requirements in the landscape

5556
11:48:17,110 --> 11:48:20,350
buffer adjacent to residential zoning district. At least one large or medium tree with a three inch caliper is required at least every 50
Linear feet.

5557
11:48:28,550 --> 11:48:28,550
maximum number of cottages permitted is 90 minimum for area of a cottage is 200ft².

5558
11:48:39,470 --> 11:48:41,950
we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Yes, sir. One of the things that I noticed in the city of dallas is that we do not have
The opportunity for

5559
11:48:52,550 --> 11:48:52,550
our fees that are actually moving houses to come into the dallas and park.

5560
11:49:00,310 --> 11:49:00,310
we have a convention center, we have fair park,
And we have the a center.

5561
11:49:07,510 --> 11:49:07,510
they all do entertainment, but there's nowhere for entertainers who do not fly but drive
To come in and park.

5562
11:49:15,710 --> 11:49:15,710
this opportunity provides that service. They give them a gives someone who wants to come
In an entertainer and have services

5563
11:49:25,150 --> 11:49:25,150
available to them. The next thing is when covid hit and our house,
Our

5564
11:49:34,860 --> 11:49:34,860
hotels were closed and people wanted to visit their families that were in hospitals.

5565
11:49:40,900 --> 11:49:40,900
they had no way to get there and stay. If we had had this service,
Someone could have driven their rvs.

5566
11:49:48,820 --> 11:49:48,820
and when we're talking about rv, we're not talking about a dinky rv.

5567
11:49:54,100 --> 11:49:54,100
we're talking about these. Some of these rvs cost more than a house,
And they don't have any place to park.

5568
11:50:02,460 --> 11:50:02,460
they'll come in, they want to they want to entertain themselves.

5569
11:50:06,740 --> 11:50:10,140
they want to visit family, but they have nowhere to park. I have friends who have rvs that they have to take their rvs and they have hotel,
They have restaurants,

5570
11:50:17,620 --> 11:50:17,620
and they have to take their rvs and park them outside of the city because there's nowhere
To park their rvs.

5571
11:50:24,420 --> 11:50:27,860
well, here's the opportunity. We now have the first. This will be the first rv in the southern area of dallas that provides residents as well
To park their rvs for a limited period of time.

5572
11:50:38,060 --> 11:50:38,060
it also provides people who are transcending the southern area to come in and travel with
Their rvs,

5573
11:50:46,660 --> 11:50:46,660
have a place to park, come in and visit the city,
Spend their money in the city, pay their taxes,

5574
11:50:56,140 --> 11:50:56,140
I mean their sales tax in the city. So I ask that you guys vote yes on this.

5575
11:51:01,740 --> 11:51:01,740
thank you. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5576
11:51:06,620 --> 11:51:09,980
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please. Thank you. Item ten. Item ten is a public hearing and an ordinance granting a new specific
Use permit

5577
11:51:19,980 --> 11:51:19,980
for a temporary concrete or asphalt batching plant,
Limited to a temporary concrete batching plant on property on the south line of east

5578
11:51:28,850 --> 11:51:28,850
wheatland road, west of south lancaster road,
Right mr.

5579
11:51:34,010 --> 11:51:34,010
mayor. We sent one notice to the property owner within 400ft of the area of request.

5580
11:51:39,410 --> 11:51:39,410
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

5581
11:51:44,370 --> 11:51:44,370
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item david pitcher.

5582
11:51:52,650 --> 11:51:52,650
david. Mr. Pitcher. Yes. Yes. My name is david.

5583
11:51:59,130 --> 11:52:02,730
we can hear you. However, your video is not displaying. Okay. Okay. You may continue. Hi, my name is david pitcher.

5584
11:52:11,050 --> 11:52:11,050
I'm with cfm engineering and I'm here with the applicant to answer any questions you may
Have.

5585
11:52:17,170 --> 11:52:17,170
thank you. Are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city
Council on item z ten?

5586
11:52:24,090 --> 11:52:28,010
no speakers, mr. Mayor. I have a motion. Yes. I move to approve the zoning change as recommended by city planning commission with the
Following.

5587
11:52:33,210 --> 11:52:33,210
change the specific. The specific use permit expires on december 15th,
2027.

5588
11:52:40,730 --> 11:52:40,730
got a motion and a second. Seeing no discussion or do you want.

5589
11:52:45,890 --> 11:52:45,890
I mean, I have real quick I normally I would not do a batch plan.

5590
11:52:51,570 --> 11:52:51,570
this is a temporary batch plant because in order to bring in the concrete or that is
Needed to build 500 houses,

5591
11:53:00,450 --> 11:53:00,450
they need somewhere close to bring in to, to lay the concrete for the streets,
The paths for the houses.

5592
11:53:08,930 --> 11:53:08,930
and this is the only way to get it done. I changed the date so that the presence of
Getting it done quickly

5593
11:53:18,850 --> 11:53:18,850
is evident, and it's not going to extend period over a year.

5594
11:53:23,840 --> 11:53:23,840
thank you. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5595
11:53:28,960 --> 11:53:28,960
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

5596
11:53:33,840 --> 11:53:33,840
we will now move to your individual zoning items beginning with c 17.

5597
11:53:46,400 --> 11:53:46,400
item c 17 is a public hearing and an ordinance granting an amendment and an expansion of
Specific use permit number 129 for electrical substation uses on

5598
11:53:56,120 --> 11:53:56,120
property on the west line of calumet avenue between meredith avenue and garfield avenue.

5599
11:54:03,280 --> 11:54:03,280
mr. Mayor, we sent 39 notices to the property owners within 400ft of the area of request.

5600
11:54:09,840 --> 11:54:09,840
we received zero replies in favor and zero replies in opposition.

5601
11:54:14,600 --> 11:54:14,600
there are no registered speakers for this item. Are there any individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item z.

5602
11:54:20,880 --> 11:54:20,880
17. I see a speaker coming forward.

5603
11:54:32,640 --> 11:54:32,640
you'll be given three minutes to speak. Please state your name and address for the record.
Yes,

5604
11:54:36,920 --> 11:54:36,920
ma'am. Ashton miller, 777 main street, fort worth,
Texas.

5605
11:54:41,480 --> 11:54:41,480
762. Four. Seven. I'm primarily just here in the in the spirit of time,
Just to answer any questions that you may have.

5606
11:54:48,880 --> 11:54:48,880
thank you all. Thank you. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would like
To address the city council on item z 17?

5607
11:54:56,880 --> 11:55:00,120
no further speakers, mr. Mayor. Do I have a motion? Yes. I move to approve the zoning change as recommended by the city planning commission.

5608
11:55:04,240 --> 11:55:07,600
second. Motion and a second. Any discussion? Very briefly,
Mr. West. Thank you. Just a quick question for ashton. If you can come back up,
Please. Can you just confirm that oncor is going to be working on a sidewalk for the

5609
11:55:18,000 --> 11:55:18,000
dallas portion of your property. Yes, council member west encore is committed to working
With the city staff and everybody necessary to make sure

5610
11:55:27,830 --> 11:55:27,830
that sidewalk is built. That's it. Thank you.

5611
11:55:31,870 --> 11:55:31,870
seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5612
11:55:36,150 --> 11:55:36,150
any opposed? Motion carries. Next item. Item z 18 is a public hearing and an ordinance
Granting a specific use permit for an open

5613
11:55:45,710 --> 11:55:45,710
enrollment charter school on property on the northeast line of harry hines boulevard and
Southeast of wadley lane.

5614
11:55:52,990 --> 11:55:52,990
all right, mr. Mayor, we sent nine notices to property owners within 300ft of the area of
Request.

5615
11:55:59,710 --> 11:55:59,710
we received two replies in favor and one reply in opposition.

5616
11:56:04,110 --> 11:56:07,030
you do have one individual signed up to speak on this item. Brandy shot is not present. Are there any other individuals in the audience that would
Like to address the city council on this item?

5617
11:56:15,710 --> 11:56:15,710
item z 18 no, no speakers mr. Mayor. Is there a motion?

5618
11:56:24,790 --> 11:56:28,390
got a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed?

5619
11:56:31,510 --> 11:56:34,870
motion carries. Okay, we got one. Nay. Noted. Motion carries. Next item please. We've got two nays.

5620
11:56:37,790 --> 11:56:37,790
two. Thank you. Item z, item z 19. Is a public

5621
11:56:47,630 --> 11:56:47,630
hearing and an ordinance granting a new specific use permit for a tower antenna for
Cellular communication limited to a monopole,

5622
11:56:56,350 --> 11:56:56,350
monopole, cellular tower or property on property on the northeast corner of pastor bailey
Drive and west camp,

5623
11:57:04,270 --> 11:57:04,270
wisdom road. Mr. Mayor, we sent 27 notices to property owners within 500ft of the area of
Request.

5624
11:57:12,470 --> 11:57:12,470
we received one reply in favor and zero replies in opposition.

5625
11:57:16,940 --> 11:57:16,940
you do have two individuals who have signed up to speak on this item,
Ari ortiz.

5626
11:57:38,180 --> 11:57:38,180
good evening or good morning? I'm just here to answer questions,
But the main purpose of this tower is to enhance the capabilities of the communication for

5627
11:57:47,020 --> 11:57:47,020
the community and first responders. Thank you.

5628
11:57:52,620 --> 11:57:52,620
thank you. Jason riggs. Jason riggs. Yeah. Is this going to be me?

5629
11:58:01,660 --> 11:58:01,660
thank you. Jason riggs is not present. Are there any other individuals in the audience
That would like to address the city council on item c 19?

5630
11:58:10,980 --> 11:58:14,100
no further speakers, mr. Mayor. Move. Approval. Second. Got a motion and a second. Any discussion?

5631
11:58:16,340 --> 11:58:19,700
anyone. Seeing none. All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item. Item one.

5632
11:58:27,300 --> 11:58:27,300
is a public hearing to receive comments regarding a proposal to change the name of
Woodbine avenue between morrell avenue and renner road to doctor

5633
11:58:36,860 --> 11:58:36,860
david henderson junior avenue and an ordinance granting the name change.

5634
11:58:42,220 --> 11:58:46,100
you do have one individual who has signed up to speak on this item. Item david henderson. The third is not present.

5635
11:58:51,180 --> 11:58:51,180
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item h one?

5636
11:58:58,020 --> 11:58:58,020
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion? Yes,
I move.

5637
11:59:05,100 --> 11:59:08,740
I move to not follow the city planning commission recommendation. Instead, approve the street name with a waiver of section five.

5638
11:59:13,220 --> 11:59:13,220
51. A 9.304 a five, which provides that a street name may not contain more than 14
Characters.

5639
11:59:20,620 --> 11:59:20,620
section 51. A 9.304 b one which provides that a roadway must have only one name.

5640
11:59:27,500 --> 11:59:27,500
section 51 a 9.304 c two, which provides that a street name can commemorate a person,
Is prohibited unless at least two years after the death of a

5641
11:59:37,500 --> 11:59:37,500
person to be honored in section 51. 51. A 9.304 d three which provides that no street name
May have more than two

5642
11:59:47,220 --> 11:59:47,220
labels before the street type designation. We got a motion and a second.

5643
11:59:52,500 --> 11:59:52,500
any discussion? Second, pastor henderson has served the community 40 plus years.

5644
11:59:58,340 --> 12:00:00,500
80 years old has done so much for the community. Families in that in the area. And this was asked by by a lot of the community members.

5645
12:00:04,780 --> 12:00:04,780
and we bring it forth. Thank you. Seeing no further the discussion.

5646
12:00:09,330 --> 12:00:12,330
all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please. Thank you. Item two is a public hearing to receive
Comments regarding a proposal to change the

5647
12:00:22,130 --> 12:00:22,130
name of east and west davenport road between preston road and north and south davenport
Road to brentfield drive,

5648
12:00:30,410 --> 12:00:30,410
and an ordinance granting the name change. There are no registered speakers for this item.

5649
12:00:35,250 --> 12:00:35,250
are there any individuals in the audience that would like to address the city council on
Item two?

5650
12:00:41,130 --> 12:00:41,130
I have a point of order. I'm not sure it was read incorrectly.

5651
12:00:45,850 --> 12:00:49,130
so the name change is only for the east west portion. I'll reread the item. Thank you. A public hearing to receive comments regarding a proposal
To change the name of east and west davenport road

5652
12:00:58,770 --> 12:00:58,770
between preston road and north and south davenport road to brentfield drive and an
Ordinance granting the name change.

5653
12:01:09,770 --> 12:01:09,770
there are no speakers for this item, mr. Mayor. I move to follow the city planning
Commission recommendation and approve the street name change.

5654
12:01:18,210 --> 12:01:18,210
got a motion and a second. Any discussion? The quickest thing I'm going to tell you is we
Actually have a part of the road called davenport that has the cotton belt,

5655
12:01:28,010 --> 12:01:28,010
silver line going through it. And then there's another section called davenport with the
Cotton belt,

5656
12:01:33,130 --> 12:01:33,130
silver line running through it. And the safety problem is,
God forbid, there's an accident.

5657
12:01:38,050 --> 12:01:38,050
our first responders don't even know which way to go. So one of them is called davenport,
And then it turns into the other davenport.

5658
12:01:46,730 --> 12:01:46,730
but the rest of it's brownfield. So we're just going to call the whole thing brentfield.
So thank you.

5659
12:01:53,290 --> 12:01:53,290
all right. Seeing no further discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye.

5660
12:01:57,370 --> 12:01:57,370
aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

5661
12:02:02,210 --> 12:02:02,210
item ff three one a public hearing to receive comments regarding an application by
Fairfield affordable housing fund.

5662
12:02:11,360 --> 12:02:11,360
tranche 15, llc and or its affiliates, collectively referred to as applicant to the texas
Department

5663
12:02:21,520 --> 12:02:21,520
of housing and community affairs. Tdhca for 4% noncompetitive low income housing tax
Credits for hall street apartments,

5664
12:02:30,680 --> 12:02:30,680
a 354 unit multifamily residential development for persons of low and moderate income,
To be located at 1823 north hall

5665
12:02:40,200 --> 12:02:40,200
street, dallas, texas. 75204. Project two pursuant to section 394.9025

5666
12:02:50,160 --> 12:02:50,160
of the texas local government code regarding bonds to be issued by the city of dallas
Housing finance corporation to finance the project and three at the close of the

5667
12:03:00,120 --> 12:03:00,120
public hearing, authorize a resolution of no objection for applicant acknowledging the
Project's location within one mile of another development serving

5668
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the same target population, which received a housing tax credit allocation in the three
Year period preceding the date the

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application round began, related to its upcoming application to tdhca for the development
Of the project.

5670
12:03:28,320 --> 12:03:28,320
you do not have any registered speakers. Are there any individuals in the audience that
Would like to address the city council on item ff three?

5671
12:03:36,800 --> 12:03:39,440
no speakers, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion? Move. Approval. Second. Got a motion and a second. Any discussion?

5672
12:03:42,680 --> 12:03:46,600
no seeing. No discussion. All those in favor,
Please say aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item please.

5673
12:03:50,320 --> 12:03:53,320
mr. Mayor, this concludes your items for this agenda. However, we do have open microphone speakers.

5674
12:03:56,960 --> 12:03:56,960
I will recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

5675
12:04:06,630 --> 12:04:06,630
any. Any speaker making personal, impertinent,
Profane or slanderous remarks, or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council

5676
12:04:13,630 --> 12:04:13,630
will be removed from the room. For any individuals who are in person for those virtual
Speakers,

5677
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you'll be. You will be removed from the session. Individuals will be given three minutes to speak.

5678
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for those in-person speakers, you'll notice the time on the monitor at the podium. When your time is up, please stop. Virtual speakers.

5679
12:04:32,310 --> 12:04:32,310
I will announce when your time has expired. Also,
Speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,

5680
12:04:38,150 --> 12:04:38,150
you are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments
To mayor resendez.

5681
12:04:44,270 --> 12:04:44,270
only your first speaker, barrett johnston, is not online not present.

5682
12:04:51,550 --> 12:04:51,550
jessica stewart is not online, not in the audience,
Not present.

5683
12:04:57,230 --> 12:04:57,230
barry hawkins brown is not online. Not in the audience,
Not present.

5684
12:05:03,270 --> 12:05:03,270
gregory demas is not online. Not in the audience.

5685
12:05:08,350 --> 12:05:08,350
not present. Kayne vincent may come forward.

5686
12:05:21,710 --> 12:05:25,310
hi. Hello, council. Thank you all for writing this out. Thank you. For those of you who didn't get up and run off as soon as the words public open
Microphone were said.

5687
12:05:34,150 --> 12:05:34,150
my name is kayne vincent. I'm a district resident of district six.

5688
12:05:38,510 --> 12:05:42,070
sorry. I'm also tired. Been here for a while. In west dallas. I'm a member of the democratic socialists of america.

5689
12:05:46,190 --> 12:05:46,190
and a citizen concerned with the recent treatment of groups distributing aid to our
Unhoused neighbors on the streets of our city.

5690
12:05:53,390 --> 12:05:53,390
back in april, dallas sandwich sundays, a mutual aid organization,
Was stopped during its regular free food distribution on cadiz street,

5691
12:05:59,980 --> 12:05:59,980
right here behind city hall by several officials,
Including a constable code enforcement and a representative from the city attorney's

5692
12:06:06,380 --> 12:06:09,980
office, and told to pack up and leave again in may. Dallas street feeders, another mutual aid group,
Was issued a citation for distributing free food in the same area.

5693
12:06:16,700 --> 12:06:19,900
I'm aware of at least one other group recently cited as well. Both groups already follow every food safety practice the city claims to care about
Certified handlers,

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temperature checks and gloves. They are fully compliant with the code that explicitly
Governs free food distribution.

5695
12:06:32,820 --> 12:06:32,820
so what is the city citing them over subsection 50?

5696
12:06:37,820 --> 12:06:37,820
I'm sorry, section 50, subsection 158 of city code,
A provision aimed at people intending to sell food on streets and sidewalks,

5697
12:06:46,780 --> 12:06:50,700
not to those giving it away. The violation in question. The groups were using tables with legs that touch the ground as a condition with zero
Safety rationale.

5698
12:06:58,260 --> 12:06:58,260
groups have since started serving out of rolling carts instead of tables to satisfy the
City's demands.

5699
12:07:05,820 --> 12:07:05,820
I have to ask the council plainly how is that really any safer?

5700
12:07:11,180 --> 12:07:11,180
the city tabled a proposal from earlier in the year to amend city code chapter 17 and 50,
Which would require permitting for free food,

5701
12:07:19,700 --> 12:07:19,700
free food distribution. And now it seems there has been a change in tactics.

5702
12:07:24,020 --> 12:07:24,020
maybe these fines that are levied at mutual aid organizations over tables versus carts,
Dallas sandwich sundays and

5703
12:07:33,980 --> 12:07:33,980
similar groups operated with with tables for five years since 2020,
Up until 2025, without a single citation or warning.

5704
12:07:43,500 --> 12:07:43,500
that change only that change only as the city seemingly began seriously preparing for the
Fifa world cup.

5705
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is it. If this were truly a food safety issue. Why was it never raised until now? Am I crazy for feeling that the city seems more
Concerned with hiding the reality of homelessness in dallas from world visitors than with

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12:08:02,690 --> 12:08:02,690
feeding the people living in it? So why in the middle of an affordability crisis,
A housing crisis,

5707
12:08:08,490 --> 12:08:08,490
and an opioid epidemic, are we bothering throttling access to food and harm reduction for
The most vulnerable in our population?

5708
12:08:15,850 --> 12:08:15,850
for optics, I asked the city council and city manager to do two things immediately direct
Code enforcement and other departments to stop the over enforcement and harassment of

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12:08:24,090 --> 12:08:24,090
groups distributing food and bring the amendment proposal regarding chapter 17 and 50 back
Up for consideration.

5710
12:08:30,410 --> 12:08:30,410
thank you. Thank you, tatiana james. It's not present.

5711
12:08:37,490 --> 12:08:37,490
linda ferguson is not online. Not present to corey mckinney is not present.

5712
12:08:45,650 --> 12:08:45,650
joyce winston is not present. Trevor dominguez not present.

5713
12:08:51,610 --> 12:08:51,610
duane peoples is not present. Tom dupree is not present.

5714
12:08:57,810 --> 12:08:57,810
winter smith is not present. Dustin gadberry has canceled.

5715
12:09:03,730 --> 12:09:03,730
dominic grayson is not present. Dolores phillips not present.

5716
12:09:10,290 --> 12:09:10,290
nor wati will be virtual. Nor wati. I'm here.

5717
12:09:17,210 --> 12:09:17,210
your camera is not displaying. Let me see. Yes,
You may continue.

5718
12:09:25,530 --> 12:09:25,530
okay. The people of heaven are those who give food despite their desire for it.

5719
12:09:32,930 --> 12:09:32,930
to the poor, the orphan and the captain. Captives saying to themselves,
We feed you only for the sake of allah,

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12:09:38,850 --> 12:09:38,850
seeking neither reward nor thanks from you. Let's put on chapter 76,
Verses eight through nine.

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12:09:45,770 --> 12:09:48,250
for I was hungry and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink.

5722
12:09:50,480 --> 12:09:50,480
I was a stranger and you invited me in. That's matthew chapter 25,
Verse 35.

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12:09:57,840 --> 12:09:57,840
if there is a needy person among you, one of your kinsmen,
And any of your settlements in the land that the lord your god has given you,

5724
12:10:03,360 --> 12:10:06,840
do not harden your heart and shut your hand against your needy kinsmen. Rather, you must open your hand and let him sufficient whatever he needs.

5725
12:10:10,640 --> 12:10:10,640
that's deuteronomy chapter 157 through eight.

5726
12:10:15,320 --> 12:10:15,320
finally, the buddha says, in giving food, one gives five things to recipients.

5727
12:10:19,480 --> 12:10:19,480
one gives life, beauty, happiness, strength,
And mental clarity.

5728
12:10:25,160 --> 12:10:29,080
my name is. I'm an attorney and an organizer with the bay power alliance. We're an organization that seeks to establish justice through faith,
And I open with these verses and sayings from various faith practices to ground us in the

5729
12:10:35,800 --> 12:10:35,800
fact that feeding our hungry neighbors is a sincerely held religious tenet that the city
Is currently substantially burdening through the unlawful reimagining of section 50,

5730
12:10:45,720 --> 12:10:45,720
subsection 158, and I'm urging the city to direct code compliance to stop unlawfully
Enforcing the section against people giving

5731
12:10:55,680 --> 12:10:55,680
free food distributions, and to place this item on the agenda for a full public hearing
And the opportunity for democratic participation on the issue.

5732
12:11:03,480 --> 12:11:03,480
in april, the city council recognized serious issues with the proposed permit requirement
For feeding the unhoused in our city.

5733
12:11:10,360 --> 12:11:10,360
it sent the issue to the quality of life committee for instructions to workshop the
Language further.

5734
12:11:15,400 --> 12:11:15,400
since that meeting, instead of workshopping the language and addressing the concerns,
Code compliance attended the june quality of life meeting to present a summary of unlawful

5735
12:11:23,280 --> 12:11:23,280
enforcement actions. Specifically, they were proud to present that they obstructed 65
Street vending interactions providing verbal education during these interactions,

5736
12:11:32,000 --> 12:11:32,000
issuing 12 notices of violations, eight citations to sidewalk and street obstruction,
And illegal land use and vending related activity.

5737
12:11:41,840 --> 12:11:41,840
code compliance is essentially acting as though the april 2022 or the april 22nd meeting
Directed them to start shutting down food distributions as though you all had voted to

5738
12:11:50,590 --> 12:11:50,590
implement a permit requirement when that permit requirement was punted for future
Consideration.

5739
12:11:55,830 --> 12:11:55,830
they're issuing citations under the street vendor code,
Despite the street vendor code only applying,

5740
12:12:00,870 --> 12:12:00,870
by definition to those who are selling or offering for sale goods and services.

5741
12:12:04,910 --> 12:12:07,550
people distributing free food are not selling. This is a gross manipulation and reimagination of the code.

5742
12:12:10,110 --> 12:12:10,110
it's going to result in costing the city hundreds of thousand dollars in a lawsuit
Settlement,

5743
12:12:14,670 --> 12:12:14,670
just like in the big heart case. And so we're demanding that you not wait till after fifa
To address this.

5744
12:12:20,510 --> 12:12:24,230
our unhoused neighbors will starve until then,
And we need you guys on the next. That's your time to place things forward for us to participate.

5745
12:12:28,230 --> 12:12:28,230
thank you. Thank you. Ariana fellows has canceled.

5746
12:12:32,270 --> 12:12:32,270
tara xyzal is not present. Mr. Mayor. This concludes your agenda for this meeting.

5747
12:12:37,310 --> 12:12:37,310
thank you so much. There being no further business to come before the council,
The time is now 1248.

5748
12:12:42,150 --> 12:12:42,150
in this meeting of the dallas city council is adjourned. Adjourned.