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You're watching the meeting of the dallas city council with mayor eric l johnson,
Mayor pro tem jaime resendez,

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deputy mayor pro tem maxie johnson. The council members chad west,
Zarin d gracey jessie moreno gay donnell willis.

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laura. Cadena, adam. Bazaldua. Lori. Blair. Paula.

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blackmon. Cathy stewart. William roth cara mendelsohn.

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paul e. Ridley. City manager. Kimberly bizor tolbert.

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city secretary billy ray johnson and interim city attorney bert vandenberg.

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all right. Thank you so much. Good morning. We have a quorum. Today is wednesday, august the 5th, 2026, the times 9:30 a.m..

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and I call this meeting of the dallas city council to order. This morning. Our invocation is going to be given by our colleague.

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if he could start to make his way towards the podium. It's a deputy mayor pro tem maxie johnson, who represents district four,
And he's also the pastor at the new morning star missionary baptist church in west dallas.

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so I'll turn it over to chairman deputy mayor pro tem pastor maxie johnson for our
Invocation.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. Would we all please stand?

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let's bow our heads. Father, we thank you this morning for another day that wasn't
Promised to us.

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we thank you, god, because we realize that someone laid down last night that didn't get up
This morning. But you blessed us to be here one more time.

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and so for that god, we say, thank you, god,
We give you praise and we give you glory because you blessed us with so many things our

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jobs, our homes, our neighborhoods, our communities,
And god, we thank you for friends.

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we thank you for fellowship. We thank you for family. God, I ask that you continue to bless our city,
Bless our community.

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bless our citizens. Bless our mayor, our city manager,
This council.

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god. We're doing the work that you have called us to do,
And we don't take it for granted. But god,

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we ask as we make these decisions, god as we work together. Some may disagree and some may agree, but god,
We ask that you make sure that we stay connected in love.

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god continue to bring us together even when there's some tough decisions that has to be
Made.

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god, we put you first, god, no matter what we do,
God, we always give you the glory because it's in you.

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we move, we live and have our being. And so,
God, this morning we ask that you anoint us,

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continue to bless us, continue to guide us, direct us. God, your word said the steps of a righteous man are ordered by the lord.

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and so god. This morning we ask that you direct us and cover us with your precious blood.

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now, lord, I ask that you continue to just let your will be done. Not I will, lord, but your will. And we sing that song,
That that hymn that says, father,

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I stretch my hands to thee. Hallelujah. No other help I know if thou withdraw thyself from
The worship we go.

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we need you in every decision we make. And everywhere we go. God, we need you to guide us. And for that we praise you.

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for that we honor you for that glory to god,
For that we give you glory. And we thank you right now for all that you've done. Continue to bless our children.

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continue to bless our community. And we thank you. It's in your. And see your holy name we pray.

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let everyone say amen. Everyone, please remain standing for the pledges to the united
States flag and the texas flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for
Which it stands one nation under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honor the texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the texas one state under god,
One and indivisible.

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you may be seated, everyone. Thank you so much. And we have a few announcements this morning.

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I'll do the first one. I want to tell everyone about something that I love.

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I'm very excited about. And that's the the mayor's back to school fair. It's the 30th annual dallas mayor's back to school fair this friday.

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and we're going to have nearly 13,000 students who've signed up to receive school supplies
And other essential services that they need for the upcoming school year,

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which de isd starts back on tuesday. So that's pretty cool.

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and as always, the the fair's free to our families,
No cost for any of the services or the things that they'll be receiving.

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so looking forward to seeing all the dallas families that come out to that event every
Year.

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again, it's the 30th annual one of these. So it's pretty,
Pretty awesome.

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that's my announcement for this morning. And I'll turn it over to our city manager for a
Couple of announcements as well. Good morning to the mayor and city council.

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welcome back. And thank you so very much for the opportunity to present you with two
Special recognitions this morning.

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first, we'd like to recognize the incredible team behind the african american museum of
Dallas and the many partners who helped bring a very important

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and set of improvements to life. If you guys would please come down this morning,
The african american museum is more than a cultural institution.

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it is a place where history is preserved, stories are shared and generations come to
Learn,

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reflect and celebrate the rich contributions of african americans to dallas and to our
Nation.

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we want to, first of all, thank state representative yvonne davis for her support in
Partnering and helping us partner with the texas parks and wildlife department,

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and to be able to bring some important improvements to the museum.

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the dedicated work of this team. They were able to complete significant preservation,
Accessibility,

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safety and modernization improvements at the museum that we know will serve for many years
To come.

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we want to give our special thank you to our director of arts and culture,
Martin philippe.

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nicky christmas. The office of arts and culture is the assistant city manager.

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lisa said our park and rec department, under the leadership of john jenkins convention and
Services under the leadership of rosa fleming,

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the office of budget and management services. Jeanette weeden, the office of procurement services,
Juanita ortiz, and the city attorney's office.

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there were many consultants, many contractors and other employees who came together across
All city departments to make this project possible.

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we'd like to recognize lisa ross, the president of the african american museum.

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lisa could not be here this morning due to the passing of her father. So we ask that you would keep lisa in your prayers.

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the unwavering commitment and the support that this team has demonstrated in helping us
Preserve history of the african american museum we know will continue to inspire

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future generations to come. This project has been a wonderful example of what we can learn
And accomplish together.

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when we work together, and we share a commitment and investment. We'd also like to thank council member bazaldua and his support for helping push and hold
Us accountable for getting this project across the finish line.

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so at this time, please join me in thanking these individuals for their work and truly
Making this project a success.

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thank you all so very much.

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mr. Mayor, I'd like to ask leah to come and make a few comments,
And then if we can, we'd like to get a further group to have a photo with the city

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council. Of course, liz, the floor is yours. And then afterwards,
If you all would come inside the railing and arrange yourselves here for a photo.

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thank you, mayor, and thank you, city manager. Thank you. Members of the city council, liz perera,
Representing the vibrant portfolio and representing this aye team right beside me.

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I would just like to to thank everyone for their full support. We'd like to thank, of course, representative davis,
Of course, texas parks and wildlife department,

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and dana lagarde, who has been our grants administrator in austin.

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this has been a work of love, and we can't imagine all the people who will benefit it.

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and if you haven't gone to see the new exhibit featuring the.

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amazing, iconic nelson mandela. We ask you to to take advantage of that because it's now
Open and showing at our newly remodeled,

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newly refurbished african american museum of dallas. I especially want to thank margie reese of the african american museum and ernest moore,
Who's here representing the african american museum.

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we certainly could have done without their partnership. So thank you again to all the team
Who participated.

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every one of you mattered. We could not have gotten this done in the time constraints that
We had without each one,

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each and every one of you team members. Thank you.

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mr. Mayor and city council, we have one more recognition for this morning.

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we would like to recognize the incredible city of dallas employees,
The partner agencies whose hard work,

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professionalism and commitment made the 2026 fifa world cup an extraordinary success.

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will you guys please come down this morning to the front?

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for one remarkable month. Dallas welcomed the world.

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hundreds of thousands of fans experienced our city.

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they attended matches celebrating at the fifa fanfest gathering at watch parties.

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spending time in our parks and exploring everything that dallas has to offer.

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at the same time, through the international broadcast center,
The stories of the fifa world cup reached billions of viewers across the globe.

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place in dallas, at the center of one of the world's largest sporting events.

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while the goals and the celebrations captured the headlines,
None of that would have been possible without the people that you see here today.

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our city employees, our partners, they delivered and they delivered on the big stage.

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they planned for years. They solved problems. They worked together. And many of the challenges that we never knew about,
They had already worked those out.

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they worked early mornings. They worked late nights. They worked weekends. They worked the holidays,
Often without anyone even knowing their names.

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from our public safety personnel who kept our residents and our visitors safe to the
Transportation teams.

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I see our clean sweep team. They were busy picking up trash.

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we were managing traffic and ensuring that people could move and flow through our city
Safely and freely.

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our sanitation crews worked and they helped us make sure that we presented the very best
Dallas.

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our park and recreation employees transformed our parks into gathering places for fans
From around the world.

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convention and services staff. They supported one of the largest international media
Operations ever hosted in our city.

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our emergency management professionals. They coordinated across multiple agencies,
Ensuring that we were prepared for every possibility.

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and we know about all the countless departments behind the scenes who stepped into roles.

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they took on additional responsibilities and made sure that they helped present dallas to
The world.

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this was truly a one dallas effort. It was also made possible through the collaboration of
All of our outstanding community partners

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who worked with the city every step of the way.

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their expertise, their leadership, and their commitment helped showcase dallas and north
Texas to the world.

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I want to especially recognize this morning monica,
Paul and the entire north texas fifa world cup organizing committee.

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thank you for your vision. Thank you for your leadership. Thank you for the partnership and how you helped us navigate this historic journey.

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together. We helped north texas successfully host nine fifa world cup matches the most of
Any city,

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and we welcomed hundreds and thousands of visitors safely and professionally with the
Hospitality that continues to define dallas this morning.

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because of your work, we know that our reputation has been strengthened around the world,
Not only as a city that can host major events,

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but a city that knows how to deliver excellence. I often say that dallas is the best city this side of heaven.

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and this past month you showed the world exactly why.

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thank you to the mayor and to our entire city council. Thank you for the support that you have given throughout this time and over the years.

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as we planned. You asked the right questions and you made sure that you held us
Accountable.

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so we want to also thank you for your service and your dedication and how you supported
Our team during this period.

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at this time, please join me in congratulating the outstanding public servants that you
See before you today and many others who could not be here this morning for helping make

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dallas shine. God bless you all.

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mr. Mayor, I'd like to see if monica paul would like to make any comments,
And we're going to help her get through it. We're going to help her get through it. Oh.

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you know, I just asked him when I came up here,
I'm like, am I going to have to speak? They didn't prep me that I was going to need to do a speech.

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but I don't know, it's a little surreal for me that our time with the world cup has,
Is over that nine years worth of planning.

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and we are here in august, but I don't think it could have come off any better.

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I don't think we could have planned. We could have executed an event.

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way exceeded my expectations. And one thing I want to say to the city of dallas,
Both the council,

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city manager, mayor, and all the staff and the staff that weren't here. I have had the privilege of working beside you for at least the last 3 or 4 years when
We've been in the operational side of things,

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and I have never seen a group come together more so and be very dedicated to a task at
Hand.

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and I think how we delivered, showed, and I'm sure you may work like this on a very
Regular basis.

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I just don't get the privilege of being able to see it behind the scenes,
But it's something that that has stuck with me.

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and I think if we look at what we're able to accomplish,
I think there are so many other opportunities in line for us,

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for the city that we can accomplish if we're all working together and rowing in the same
Direction.

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I, I'm going to start naming people and I'm going to forget people as you always,
Always do. You're not supposed to start singling out people,

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but from our public safety teams. Thank you for your countless hours from police to fire,
Office of emergency management the transportation team that

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has put together so many plans over the years and working with throughout from a regional
Standpoint.

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and I have to really say thank you to the city of dallas because at the end of the day,
You're the one who stepped up nine years ago and said,

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this is something that we want. And you led the charge for from a regional perspective.

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so thank you for stepping up because otherwise this world cup and what we've experienced
These last two months may not have been possible.

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so thank you.

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okay, we're going to do something we've never done before. We're going to reverse the
Direction of the photo because there's more of you than us. So we're going to have the

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photographers come here and shoot that direction. That was the city manager suggestion. I think it's a good one. So everyone stay where they
Are and we're going to go that direction. And anybody who wants to go over yes, anybody

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wants to. Yes. If you want to be in the photo,
You need to go to that side. Yes. So at least I hear oh.

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okay.

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there they come.

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that's the highlight of it for me. Yes.

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it's a happy day.

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thank you. Lovely. Thank you. Thank you. I'm

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not a guy who, like, waits for everybody else to go. Yeah.

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that's just the way it works sometimes.

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okay, everyone, as you make your way back to your seats. I believe we have one more special presentation by council member blair.

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so you're recognized for a special presentation.

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good morning, mayor, colleagues, city manager tolbert and everyone joining us today.

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today seems to be our theatrical day because it is my distinct honor to welcome a truly
Extraordinary guest to dallas

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padma shri awardee prabhu deva. I knew I was going to do that.

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widely known as the michael jackson of india is one of the world's most celebrated
Dancers,

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choreographers, filmmakers and performers. His remarkable career has inspired millions
Around the world and helped bridge cultures through the universal

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language of music, dance, and film. We are especially pleased to have him with us in
Dallas,

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a city that embraces innovation, celebrates diversity and values the arts as a catalyst
For community and economic growth.

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his visit highlights the strong and growing relationship between india and the united
States,

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and recognizes the tremendous contributions of the indian american community whose
Leadership,

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entrepreneurship, and civic engagement continues to strengthen our city.

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what makes today's visit especially meaningful is that mr. Devos dallas not only as a place to visit, but a place of opportunity.

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he has expressed an interest in exploring future investments in our city,
Particularly in dance,

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the performing arts and other economic ventures. This that speaks volumes about dallas growth,
Growing reputation as a global destination where creativity,

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culture and commerce comes together. And in this particular instance,
It took the commerce through a very

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special district eight friend, machete conti shetty.

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it's through the partnership with miss shetty as a community investor and community owner
And district eight that it continuously

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brings the indian culture to the city of dallas. Thank you, mr. Deva. Thank you for spending time with us and for considering dallas as a
Place to build new partnerships and inspire future

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generations. We are honored to welcome you to city hall and look forward to the
Opportunities our relationship with city may

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create in the years ahead. Please join me in a warm giving,
A warm dallas welcome to padma

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shri awardee, mr. Deva and and all that his guests that he has brought with him.

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mayor, one of what I would like to also highlight that with this this,
This entourage

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we have there, mr. Deva did a show, a michael jackson show this weekend.

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it was a sold out show and it was hosted by one of the the members here today.

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she is looking forward to doing more work here in dallas.

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she's looking for doing more theater here in dallas.

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and as we develop district eight, I want a theater,
A place where we continue to embrace the partnership and the

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relationship with this group and the city of dallas. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. Are we going to are we going to get a.

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are we going to get a snippet of a song or anything? Well, a moonwalk something. Mr.. If. Mr.. Diva would like to do anything,
A little snippet.

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he's more than welcome to do that. He's welcome. There is a microphone right there. There's a microphone. You can do as you as you would
Like if you wish.

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I knew I was, I knew I was trapped. Good morning all.

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honorable mayor johnson council members. Special thanks to miss lori blair and mr.

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gordy. Thank you. Thanks for this honor and I will never forget this day,
Time and place.

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dallas. It's honored to be here. And I'm an indian artist.

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so giving honor to me, it's like giving love to all we do.

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love you all, love you, thank you, thank you. And mayor, there's one thing about this community that is also unique.

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we came here. We are here today to honor them. But in honoring them, one of the things I have always found by this community is they give
Back.

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so each one of them has given is brought to us their culture of respect and shawls and a
Plaque for each one of the council members.

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so you guys will be given the plaque and they would love to present the the shawl of
Respect to the council members here today.

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thank you very much. That's very sweet. Thank you so much and welcome.

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and mayor, can we also take a picture? Yes, of course,
Of course. Thank you. If you could have them come inside the rail and arrange themselves,
We'll do one last photo.

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all right, everyone, we're going to move on to our open microphone speakers now,
Madam secretary and members,

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if you can make your way back to your seats,
You don't want to miss this open microphone.

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that's part of the meeting. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Good morning and welcome back. The dallas city council will now hear his first five
Registered speakers.

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I'll recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

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any speaker, making personal and pertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,
Or who becomes boisterous,

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will be removed from the room. For those individuals who are in person. For those virtual speakers, you will be removed from the session.

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individuals will be given three minutes to speak. For those in-person speakers, you will notice your time on the monitor at the podium.

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when your time is up, please stop. For those virtual speakers.

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I will announce when your time has expired. Also,
Speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,

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you are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments
To mayor johnson.

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only your first speaker, joe stokes. Joe stokes is not present.

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linda newland.

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good day. Mayor linda newlin here from district seven.

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I've been here for quite a number of times to speak,
As have other folks, about ending the addition of that toxic chemical

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you call fluoride in our water. But it's actually a byproduct of the fertilizer industry,
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poison in the dictionary. Y'all just don't listen.

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and apparently y'all just don't care. I'm going to do something different today.

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in the bible it says pray about everything. It's prayer time.

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dear god, please reach down to earth and touch all these folks heart to know what you
Created in the

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beginning was clean water. Remind them that you created clean water.

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tell them children and adults are being slowly harmed with hydrofluoric acid,
Of which they all call fluoride.

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god help them to realize it's okay to have made a decision and then come back with a
Different decision.

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god help them to realize that this dallas city has been lucky that the toxic chemical has
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situation. Also, remind them that at any moment,
A catastrophe can happen, that lots of money will be needed to

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clean up the mess. Plus, lives could be harmed or lost.

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god, you once saw me give a speech about those folks that have low kidney function and

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how they can't filter out the fluoride. So god,
Please open these folks, folks hearts to

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compassion for all its citizens. Yes, god, please open the folks eyes and hearts to

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know when you created this world. You did a perfect job of creating perfect,
Clean water.

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tell them they can save lots of money by not adding it.

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and thank you, god, for letting me meet regina imburgia and joe stokes,
The first

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crusaders against fluoridation here in dallas.

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amen. Stop putting the poison in our water.

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please. Thank you, bruce richardson.

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this is exciting. David got the thing worked out with the popping microphones.

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it's amazing. Great. Welcome back. I am here with a grateful,

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grateful heart. I had a wonderful conversation with a council member.

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I appreciated it. And you know, something amazing has happened.

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my phone has not stopped ringing all summer long.

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our little saved, our city hall movement has grown by thousands of people over the summer.

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people have joined us from all over a board of significant chinese americans.

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yo yo mei's on it. They have come to our aid.

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the national trust put us in their little centerfold,
Taking time out from their busy schedule in washington.

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and locally, people are screaming at us for the 4x4 signs because they want to identify
With this movement.

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and thank you. You have brought those people to us.

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you have managed to disconnect the core. So those buttons went obsolete.

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everybody says yes to downtown. So I don't know what the disagreement is over that.

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but we do not need to abandon this building. That,
By the way, is perfectly safe because we are all here in it.

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you invite us here. God, you're going to have 17 meetings a day pretty soon before this is
Over with.

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this building is safe. This building is purpose designed. My god, david voss spoke to me. Things that I can't even say out loud about the protocols
For our

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911 center and how this entire building turns into the most amazing,
Secure, full campus

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emergency operations center you could ever hope to have.

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we would love to have those conversations with you. It seems like everybody gets hours to speak about this building,
Except the group of people who know it best.

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so I invite you to remember, it costs $0 to say,
We are going to stay in this building.

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all we have to do is start and care and work together with the synergy and attention

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you have brought to us. And we can not only save this building,
But we can make it the best city hall

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that ever existed. Thank you. Don't worry. You don't have to drag me out.

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jessica. Stewart. And they. Thank you. Every time I come before this council

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and I live another day. I am thankful as well.

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I'm thankful to be in this building, and I know why some people want to tear it down
Because it is so powerful.

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this building is embedded with the power of the principles of our democracy.

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it touches my heart and it takes my breath away. The moment when I drive down the the road and I get to the point where there's a break and
There's openness.

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there's a reveal between the public sector and the private sector,
This building and the site of the building,

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the people's plaza. It makes us observe it. It makes us stop and honor the difference
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sector, and I am also thankful to have another day to be the voice of a

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constituent. And I'm sorry that some people don't understand the role of the constituent,
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dallas, as a non-elected official, is to hold y'all accountable.

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that is my sacred duty. And by god, we have so much to hold you accountable for.

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our voice, our voice, our voice. Where is our voice?

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it is so important that you listen to us. The values we are screaming,
Our hearts, our values,

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our values are to save this building because it is embedded with the model of our
Democracy.

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when I see the building within that reveal. I see the radical idea that the

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promise of our democracy is that the people have the power.

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and there's this mystery in the idea that you guys are elected or appointed and you have
All the power.

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and yet the reason why it's supposed to work is because of us,
Because we come out here and speak our values,

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and then you listen to us and that's how it's supposed to work. That's apparent in this building through the design,
The inverted pyramid with the the many it's it's radical and mysterious and

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wonderful. And it's done in this robust earth colored building that is meant to stand the
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with this rough, unpolished finish, but I. I ran out of time.

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but I also want to talk about how important it is to honor the contracted workers with a
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that's your time. Thank you. Thank you, ben abbott.

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may it please the council honorable, honorable eric johnson. My name is ben abbott. Today I'm here to speak in support of the bond that funds the
Dallas law enforcement training facility.

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on friday, july 31st, I visited the dallas police academy at redbird lane.

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they've been planning this new facility since I received my law license,
And I'm now 66 years old.

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so I think it's time that we get this done. When I was at the training facility.

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I met with carlos. Officer carlos de la fuentes and deputy chief stephen williams.

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the facility currently trains 300 police officers at a time.

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groups of 50 officers go through about every six weeks. And of course, the goal is to have 4000 police officers on duty.

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this facility was a temporary facility in 1990,
And it was really an office complex before.

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it's not at all suitable for our current needs.

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there's no women's locker room, the men's or the weight. The weight room is small. The in-service facility is actually at a different location.

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so we have the plans for a new facility at unt,
But unfortunately we're $82 million short.

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the facility at unt will be a partnership between the voters,
The state foundations, the corporations.

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thank you. But as I say, we're $82 million short and we need to finish this project.

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the new project includes basic training academy and in-service academy,
The reality based training at each of the basic training and in-service

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academy, a physical tactics training facility,
And then a criminal justice center in conjunction with unt.

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and that will be where unt holds their criminal justice school.

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so in summary, I urge the council to approve the final funding of this much needed
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thank you. Natalie. Ares.

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hello. This is my first time ever being in this building,
Actually. So thank you guys for allowing me to speak today.

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I'm here to talk about the lack of police responsiveness in my neighborhood.

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I do want to preface everything I'm about to say with the deepest appreciation for what
Our dallas police officers do.

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I feel safe in my city as a whole, just not in my neighborhood currently.

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I live on starks ave, which is right next to bonton farms or h.s.

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thompson elementary school, and I can actually see the bexar satellite police station from
My bedroom window.

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I have lived there for three years with my husband and now our seven month old baby.

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there are currently 12 new builds on my street,
Which is wonderful to see, and there are over ten families with small children on my

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street. In the last three years, we've had to call 911 multiple times.

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there have been many young men waving automatic weapons.

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no one came when I called four months later,
A man was shot in my driveway, and it was one of those kids.

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when my husband's car was stolen out of our driveway,
Nobody came.

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when a woman had a three hour long mental episode so loud my baby couldn't go down for a
Nap.

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no one came. And the latest incident was where a neighbor took the electrical wires and
Tried to steal electricity.

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all of the power in our street went out. The heat was so hot in my house as well as all of
My neighbors.

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we had to sleep in our cars. We had to call multiple times over and over to 911.

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we were told by fire police, unless you make a big deal out of this,
No one is coming.

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I had to walk and stand outside of the bexar police station until a police officer
Stopped,

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and I had to beg a cruiser just to go write a report. It's not the first time that these neighbors have done this,
But it's the first time the police actually came.

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and it will be the first time that there's actually a report about it.

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I don't feel I can take my child out into our front yard,
And I have some incredible neighbors.

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they're so sweet. There's so many wonderful families,
And south dallas is becoming a beautiful place.

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I'm not asking for too much. I am simply asking that when I call 911 that police officers
Will show up to my door.

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and again, I know I'm running out of time. I want to thank all of the police officers for
All the work that they do.

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I know that everyone is trying their hardest,
But to hear from a part of our government that unless I make a huge deal when I call 911,

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nobody's going to show up and then I have to walk myself to go get someone to show up.

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it's not the way it should be. So on behalf of people on starks ave,
All those families, please.

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I ask that you guys support me in making police officers show up. Thank you. Thank you. This concludes your mr.

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mayor. We actually have someone prepared to go and speak with. If you'll just wait for just a minute, they're going to come and grab you right here to.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you, thank you.

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this concludes your first five registered speakers. The remaining speakers will have an opportunity to address the city council at the end of
Its at the conclusion of its city business,

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mr. Mayor. Okay. All right. Let's move on to our voting agenda then. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Agenda item one is the approval of minutes of the

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june 3rd, 2026 city council briefing. June 10th,
2026 special june 17th, 2026 city council briefing and

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june 17th, 2026 special call meetings. Looking for a motion motion for approval.

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it's been moved. And second, is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it.

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the minutes are approved. Thank you. Next item. Your next item. Agenda item two is consideration of appointments to boards and
Commissions.

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this morning you have individual full council.

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a city manager appointed board and two chair appointments. Your chair appointments will be by separate vote to allow the mayor to abstain.

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your nominees for individual appointment to the commission on disabilities.

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all cocaine. Cal conley is being nominated by mayor johnson.

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mr. Cal conley meets the person with disabilities. Special qualification to the community development commission.

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michael p sitar. Sir tarczewski is being nominated by council member moreno to the ethics
Advisory commission.

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peter l lo is being nominated by council member ridley. Mr. Lo meets the possess, possesses a juris doctorate degree from an institution of higher
Learning to the environmental commission.

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julie hiromoto is being nominated by mayor johnson. Miss hiromoto meets the general public special qualification to the martin luther king
Junior community center.

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board betty huey's being nominated by mayor johnson to the senior affairs commission.

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ethel jackson is being nominated by deputy mayor pro tem johnson.

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miss jackson meets the 55 plus years of age special qualification to the youth commission,

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celeste m bazaldua being nominated by council member blackmon.

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your nominees for full council appointment to the civil service board.

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terrence welch is being nominated by council member roth to the reinvestment zone.

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three board oak cliff. Christopher haslam is being nominated by mayor johnson to the
Reinvestment zone five board city center.

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katie slade is being nominated by councilmember ridley to the reinvestment zone seven
Board sports arena.

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althea aye harrington is being nominated by councilmember cadena to the reinvestment zone
11 board.

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downtown connection katie slade is being nominated by councilmember ridley to the
Reinvestment zone 12 board.

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deep ellum karl anderson is being nominated by councilmember ridley to the reinvestment
Zone 12 board as well.

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deep ellum. Evan auguste is being nominated by councilmember moreno to the reinvestment
Zone 13 board,

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grand park. Michael hubbard is being nominated by mayor johnson to the reinvestment zone.

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18 board maple mockingbird. Jared burnette is being nominated by council member moreno to
The reinvestment zone.

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19 board cypress waters meraki. Flowers is being nominated by council member cadena,

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your city manager nominee to the building inspection advisory examining and appeals board.

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juna davis livingston is being presented for nomination by city manager.

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tolbert, these are your nominees, mister mayor,
Is there a motion for approval?

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I have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it.

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congratulations to those nominees. Next item please. Your officer appointment. You have two chair appointments.

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stephanie casey is being nominated chair of the animal advisory commission by mayor
Johnson,

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and christopher aslam is being nominated chair of the reinvestment zone three board.

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oak cliff gateway. Oak cliff gateway by mayor johnson. These are your nominees, mr. Mayor. Is there a motion?

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it's been moved and seconded. Is there any discussion? Seeing none. All in favor, say aye. Any opposed? Ayes have it.

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please note my abstention. Your abstention is noted,
Mr. Mayor.

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your next item is agenda item three. Agenda item three is casting of lots.

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casting of lots to identify the recommended vendor resulting from tie bids between mantech
Usa inc.

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and h.d. Supply, inc., dba usa blue book online and it's been corrected.

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it's line 157 in response to bid 00029558

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for a three year master agreement for the purchase of laboratory equipment,
Supplies, parts and accessories.

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this item does not require any action. Mr. Mayor,
In accordance with section 271.90, one of the texas local government code.

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when there's a tie bid, it must be resolved and it must be resolved.

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the mayor performs the tie break by selecting randomly from these sealed envelopes.

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the winner of the bid, mr. Mayor. I'll bring over.

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please unseal and announce the winner, mr. Mayor.

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hd supply incorporated dba usa blue book line 157.

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thank you, mr. Mayor. There will be future action on this item at this time.

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as stated, there is no action for this item. Mr. Mayor, your briefings in your further agenda continues.

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wonderful. I'll turn it over to our city manager now. Thank you very much. Members.

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thank you so much, mr. Mayor. Your first briefing,
Which is briefing number a, is by the office of economic development,

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regarding the city's participation and public improvement districts that we all commonly
Refer to as peds.

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earlier this year, the city council requested that staff evaluate our current policy.

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the city council's current policy governing assessment of city owned property within peds,

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and you asked us to come back and share whether or not if we believe that that policy
Should be expanded beyond the current downtown improvement

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district. Today's presentation is intended to provide background on how our kids currently
Function.

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explain the existing policy. Review why the city participates in the downtown improvement
District.

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look at other approaches within other texas cities and discuss fiscal as well as policy
Implications of expanding the city's participation.

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today, we are seeking your feedback on whether you would like to maintain the current
Policy or direct staff to develop proposed amendments to

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establish a framework for evaluating future city participation in additional public
Improvement districts.

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and with that, mr. Mayor, I now turn it over to our director of the office of economic
Development,

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kevin spath, and to assistant director maria smith to begin the first presentation.

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thank you. Thank you, miss city manager. Good morning,
Honorable mayor and city council.

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I'm kevin spath, director of the city's office of economic development. With me today is maria smith, assistant director.

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miss smith oversees the city's public improvement district program,
And she will be leading the presentation this morning.

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I'll hand it off to her. Good morning everyone. Maria smith, assistant director, office of economic development.

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as the city manager mentioned earlier this year,
This body requested a briefing on the question of whether or not we should change our

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public improvement district policy to allow participation in additional bids beyond the
Downtown improvement district.

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currently, the downtown improvement district,
Or ded, is the only paid the city participates in.

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so the purpose of the briefing is to discuss what financial participation and other bids
Could look like and at the end of the briefing,

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receive feedback from council and discuss next steps. Next slide please. Can we go to slide four?

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I'd like to start with the. I'd like to start with the brief overview of what public
Improvement districts are.

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pidds are special districts created by this city through a community driven petition
Process under chapter 372 of the local government code and the city's policy.

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by law, a majority of the owners within the district by property value and land area or
Number of owners must voluntarily agree to pay an

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annual pit assessment. A pet assessment a pit assessment is a fee. It's not a tax. It's paid by the owners who are directly benefiting from the services the
Pit provides,

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which are meant to be above and beyond baseline city service levels.

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a list of eligible uses of pit dollars is in the appendix to this briefing,
But some of the common services that pits provide include additional security in the form

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of private security patrols and or off duty dpd officers.

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landscaping, cleaning and beautification activities and public rights of ways.

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distinctive lighting, placemaking, signage and activities to market the district.

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one note is for tourism bids, which are comprised of hotel properties.

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the state's petition approval thresholds and the uses of funds are slightly different.

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next slide please. Under chapter 372, property that is exempt from ad valorem taxation

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is excluded from pit assessment. So this is typically going to be property that's owned by
School districts,

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cities, counties, transit authorities, churches,
Etc.. But despite this exemption, a city may voluntarily elect to pay into a pit.

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if a city elects to financially participate in a pit,
There are certain public notice requirements that need to be met at the time the pit is

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created or renewed, to let property owners know that the city has agreed to pay for a
Portion of the pit costs.

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next slide please. Dallas currently has 16 pits.

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our oldest is the downtown improvement district,
Which was established in 1992.

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the newest one is halperin park pit, which was authorized by council earlier this year in
May.

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each pit is managed by a private nonprofit partner that is shown on the table on the slide
Via contractual agreement with the city.

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most of our kids are found in commercial or mixed use corridors,
And they've been a way to help stabilize and or promote those areas.

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a list of each pits assessment rate is in appendix b to the briefing,
But under our policy,

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the maximum assessment rate that can be levied is $0.15 per $100 valuation.

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next slide please. Moving on, I'd like to review what our current policy says on the topic
Of voluntarily paying into a

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pit. Next slide please. Our pet policy has been in place since 2005,
And it contains

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two important foundational principles that are central to today's conversation.

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the first is that pets and dallas must be, quote,
Self-sufficient and not burdened.

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city service delivery. Again, the idea here is that kids are funded through assessments
That are paid by owners who are benefiting from the kids program of work.

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and the second policy provision is that city owned property cannot be assessed in any
Period except for the downtown improvement district,

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and that city participation will be reviewed each time the ded is proposed for renewal.

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next slide please. And so naturally, this begs the question,
Why has the city elected to participate in the downtown improvement district?

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next slide please. Since the ded was established in 1992,
The city has agreed to

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financially participate in the. Did because of two primary reasons.

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the first is that there are unique conditions present in the urban core that necessitate
Above standard service delivery needs.

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and the second is that is because city owned property directly benefits from the services
That did provide.

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next slide. Downtown dallas, inc., or die, is the nonprofit that manages the.

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did die has been a key city partner in advancing the economic vitality,
Safety, and growth of the city's urban core,

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allowing it to remain competitive with other cities. Next slide. On this slide, I'd like to highlight just a few conditions that are unique to
Downtown.

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the first is the heavy tourist and daytime visitor traffic that exists downtown.

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downtown dallas has an estimated population of over 135,000 daytime workers and last year
Attracted over 9.7 million out of.

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market visitors, meaning visitors that traveled more than 50 miles to places like the
Convention center.

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the dallas world aquarium, klyde, warren park,
The dallas farmers market, and the dma.

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additionally, the highest concentration of city owned properties inclusive of parkland
Among dallas pyd's,

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close to 45% is downtown, including many high profile facilities shown on the slide that
Draw visitors from across the city and the region.

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downtown also boasts five signature parks that were built with city and private funds that
Have above standard service needs and attributes such as interactive water features,

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specialty gardens and walking paths. Next slide please.

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now, anyone that has been downtown has likely come into contact with de services.

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de provides seven day a week clean and security teams.

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its security team supports dpd 17 hours a day,
Serving as an extra set of eyes and ears.

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responding to over 32,030 2000 quality of life calls in 2025.

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dd also provides five day a week homeless outreach homeless outreach team in downtown
Ambassadors.

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its homeless outreach specialists are provided directly on city owned property,
Including the library,

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city hall and all downtown parks. And in 2024,
Homeless outreach team made close to 10,000 engagements on city owned property.

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additionally, dd provides programing in all downtown parks in partnership with the city's
Park and recreation department and specific to ded services that directly

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benefit city owned properties downtown. Dd has calculated a benefit cost ratio of 3.7,
Meaning that for every dollar the city invests in,

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the did, it returns a value or benefit to the city of $3.70?

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next slide please. Now, I'd like to discuss some best practices by comparing dallas policy
With other large texas cities.

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next slide. Of large texas cities, dallas has the most pits with 16,
Followed by fort

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worth with 14, austin with four, and san antonio with two.

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houston does not have pits among the large texas cities. We looked at all of them pay into their downtown pit,
And the amounts that they participate are shown on the table.

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among these cities, city funding as a percentage of the downtown pits adopted revenue
Budget ranges from approximately 3% to 11%.

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next slide please. Austin and fort worth also contribute small amounts to pits outside
Downtown

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austin contributes less than $40,000 between two pits,
And fort worth contributes less than $45,000 between six pits.

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the median assessment. Payment to pits outside downtown is less than 1% of an individual
Pits annual revenue.

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thus, our takeaway is that as a best practice for any pit a city participates in,
The bulk of costs are paid by property owners.

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next slide please. Over the next few slides,
I'd like to spend some time discussing some guiding criteria this body may want to

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consider when evaluating whether or not to change its policy.

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next slide please. The first policy consideration is a financial one,
And it involves assessing whether there are sufficient fiscal

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resources to participate in additional pits. We know that for any pit the city council
Agrees to participate in,

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there will be a cost consideration that will need to be accounted for as part of the
City's annual budget development process,

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even though city owned property has no taxable value. Dcad does provide us with a market value. So to help gauge the potential cost of
Participation in a brand new bid,

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a 15 cent assessment on every $10 million in city property value is equivalent to a
$15,000 assessment bill.

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for the sake of argument, if the city paid into other bids using current methods,
The annual cost could range from as little as $120

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$121 for a pit like prestonwood, with very little city owned property to approximately
$168,000 annually for a pit like klyde warren park,

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dallas arts district with more city owned property. And I will note, though kids have staggered terms,
Some are just renewed earlier this year and others are coming up for renewal next year.

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but assuming that the city was paying into all pidds,
The estimated total additional cost would be approximately $430,000 annually and

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an additional $5 million over a ten year period. Next slide please. This table breaks out the estimated costs of participation in each of
The city's existing pits in order

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of fiscal impact. As you can see on this slide,
The largest concentration of city owned property is downtown,

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followed by klyde warren park, dallas arts district,
Pit, deep ellum and uptown.

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finally, there continues to be a strong community interest in creating new pits,
So these figures do not reflect any future pit creations.

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next slide please. If the city were considering participating in additional pits,
A central question to answer would

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be how city owned property would directly benefit in other pits,
And how those benefits compare to the cost of city participation.

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some questions to consider include. What is the value of the expected benefits the city
Anticipates to receive from the pit?

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do the expected benefits match or exceed the expense.

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or could the city provide the service enhancements at a lower cost relative to the cost of
Annual assessment?

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for example, if a cited city benefit is seasonal color change outs in medians next to city
Owned property,

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we would want to assign a dollar value to that work and compare it to the city's
Contribution.

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if the value of the work relative to the city's payment is equal to one,
Then the benefits and costs are the same.

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but if the benefit ratio is greater than one,
Let's say two as an example, then that means every city dollar spent would return $2 in

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value to the city. Next slide. Next slide please.

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in terms of next steps, we would like to obtain feedback on council's desired path
Forward.

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the first option in staff's recommended course of action is to keep our policy unchanged.

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again, the spirit of our policy is to ensure that bids do not burden ordinary city service
Delivery,

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and participating in additional pidds will create a new cost consideration to the city
That at present is not funded in the manager's proposed budget.

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the second option is to change our policy to allow city participation in future pidd
Petitions.

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next slide. If option two is chosen, staff will bring back a policy amendment that
Incorporates

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a proposed framework and criteria for evaluating city participation requests,
Which could include no blanket city approvals,

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no early renewal requests solely for the purpose of requesting city funding.

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city participation in a pidd would be subject to annual appropriations evaluated using a
Cost benefit analysis,

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and would require a recommendation for city council approval from the city manager based
On established criteria.

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this concludes today's briefing. Happy to answer any questions.

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all right. Members, go ahead and log in if you have questions or comments for our panel.

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mr. Bazaldua, you're recognized for five minutes for the public. We are on briefing item a right now. Thank you,
Mr.

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mayor. So thank you all for this presentation.

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this is something that I have been very interested in exploring.

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I think that the I'd like to go to the recommendations page first trying to get there.

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so you're asking us with these two options noticed one is no change to the pit policy,
Right?

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the next is to amend the policy to allow each to be evaluated individually,
Essentially, but that it would,

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the language would allow for them all to be opted in. Correct? Would there not be an option three to just not do it at all?

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I'd like to start with that. Thank you so much. Council member. Bazaldua. That could be an
Option that the council,

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as we talked about, that this policy has not been updated since 2005.

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and so if council would like to have us consider that as an option to where we don't
Participate in any pidds I think what we were trying to do

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is just to make sure that we were given as much information about the way we are,
But that is definitely a decision that the council could make.

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and then we would take the appropriate steps to make sure that you know,
What happens in that transition for the current pit that we're participating in,

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we would there's a notice requirement about the city's participation. I don't know whether or not. And I'll ask mr. Spath if that one is also subject to
Appropriation.

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I think it's currently in the existing one that we have with the downtown pit,
But I'll let them answer that question.

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but we can not do anything. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. Yes. That's correct. The city's participation in the downtown improvement district is
Subject to annual appropriations.

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and I also noticed that you gave us some some peer cities.

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are there any that that stuck out that only identified one of their pits within the
Portfolio that

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they contributed to? Yes, that's san antonio and that's likely because,
Well, they only have two kids.

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one of the other one is the tourism pit and their downtown pit.

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and do you, can you speak to the assessed value that was generated

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from dei specifically? At the, at, at, at its inception how much the city paid into.

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no, not just the city's payment. Just as a whole as a whole.

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I don't have that information in front of me,
But we could get that for you. So it's my understanding when I spoke to city staff about when this began,
That it was intended,

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of course, to help the success of the public improvement district,
Which I want to be very clear,

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dd has done amazing work and they still continue to do amazing work.

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but I do have an issue with how this is structured,
Especially with them being singled out and having a,

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an advantage, quite frankly, over all of our other pits.

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I understand that we are getting services and that may be a part of the reasoning or
Rebuttal from the entity

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itself on why this would be necessary. However,
I think that's the entire point of a public improvement district is to provide those

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services and to be that partner. When you have identified that we have the ability to
Essentially do what we've done

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with dei and help seed these economic development tools in a way that if we were to do all
Of them across the city,

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it would be less than $500,000. That's, that's what you all have given us in this
Presentation based on current property values and current

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adopted assessment rates. Well I know we aren't allowed to say the e word,
But I think that if we look at how this is done

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disproportionately that we, we have, we have opted into a policy that has given more than
Double of what it would

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cost us to support other public improvement districts across our city to just one.

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and I do have a problem with that. I think that it is inequitable.

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I believe that this is something that that word,
That's the word.

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that was my word, unethical. I mean, not not un,
No, not not un equitable.

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equitable was the e word. And so I really do want to,
To just have a robust discussion.

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I wanted to hear from colleagues. We talked about it at economic development committee
Briefly,

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and thank the chair for bringing this to the full council to have the discussion,
Because overall,

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I just think that this is one of those policies that have been put in place for a long
Time that we haven't revisited. We haven't really evaluated its impact and we haven't

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heard from other stakeholders. I know that the south dallas attempted a public improvement
District that was unsuccessful.

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part of its lack of success was the fact that we did not generate enough within the
Boundaries to help provide

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services. It's kind of hard when you're starting from nothing and just,
You know, in order to get an executive director to run the entity alone,

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if that's all that you're generating, you can't really expect much programing to come from
It.

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and that's where I think a lot of public improvement districts struggle in the inception.

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and when they start, I think when we have seen the the ability to raise money from private
Funding,

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the ability to leverage other opportunities and the ability to generate quite significant
Funds that di has,

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it's time for us to reevaluate us putting all of our eggs in one basket.

537
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:22,100
so that's, that's where I stand now. And I look forward to round two and three and to hear
This discussion. Thank you. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, if I could just comment and thank you.

538
01:16:28,620 --> 01:16:28,620
council member. Bazaldua. I know that you have had quite the last year we've had several
Conversations about what should be the policy going forward.

539
01:16:37,620 --> 01:16:37,620
we definitely would like to hear if there is a potential seed contribution that council
Would want us to think about as I know that there are some other

540
01:16:47,460 --> 01:16:47,460
bits that are coming online that we're aware of that are not online now,
But I know that they're ramping up and they're trying to pull together their their plans

541
01:16:56,220 --> 01:16:56,220
on how they begin to create the staffing and the things that we know really make these
Successful.

542
01:17:04,020 --> 01:17:04,020
that could be a policy council could look at,
Maybe there is a seed piece and maybe that seed piece comes in at a flat amount.

543
01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:11,980
and then it would begin to ramp down as the pit is strengthened.

544
01:17:16,420 --> 01:17:16,420
so definitely we just want to hear if those are the types of ways that you would like for
Us to,

545
01:17:20,780 --> 01:17:20,780
to think about it, but we do receive those comments. So thank you for that feedback.
Chairman gracey recognized for five minutes.

546
01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:30,290
thank you, mr. Mayor. I'm going to start with a couple of questions there.

547
01:17:34,570 --> 01:17:34,570
one, I just wanted some clarity on slide 22. It says on option two,
It says amend the policy to allow city city participation in

548
01:17:44,130 --> 01:17:44,130
future paid petitions. But then when you go to next steps,
It says under there on that last second to the last line,

549
01:17:50,570 --> 01:17:50,570
it says in newly created or renewed pidds. I'm trying to get some clarity between that
Which.

550
01:17:55,690 --> 01:17:55,690
so what that means is because we have statutory notices that are required at the time a
Pit is created or renewed where we need to.

551
01:18:06,330 --> 01:18:06,330
when a petition is circulated, property owners. We need to disclose whether or not the
City has agreed to participate in a pit.

552
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:12,050
that just means that future pit. It could either be a petition,
A new petition, a new pit creation,

553
01:18:20,290 --> 01:18:20,290
or a renewal. Okay. It just didn't say that in the in the on slide 22,
It just says future.

554
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:25,970
so that's what I was trying to get some clarity on that part. What happens if.

555
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,800
and again, I'm looking at and I'm gonna use the red bird pit as an example. And I didn't even know this in where they are. It looks like they have five city owned
Properties within that pit.

556
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:42,000
what happens? Let's say if we were to move forward with participating across the board,
What happens if the city were to.

557
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:49,880
I know we're going through our real estate and we were to get rid of property within that
Pit.

558
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:59,000
is it just then reassessed every year? Is that what would happen? Yeah, yeah. So the, the city's assessment payment is calculated annually based on the
Certified value of,

559
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:07,800
of city owned property. All right. And then so,
So council member, just so if there were a situation like that,

560
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:15,840
when that reassessment is done, if that property is no longer online,
Then it would not be included.

561
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:21,120
so that contribution that we would then be making would then fluctuate based on that.

562
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:26,120
so it would either be reduced or if there's another facility that then comes online.

563
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,560
so that's part of why that annual assessment I think is important. Understood. Okay. And then the next question is,
Am I understanding that this is it in the downtown?

564
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:41,040
did is the city paying? Paying more of an assessed rate than what

565
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,560
the did is actually assessing across departments. For example, if it's assessing 2%, we're paying 8%.

566
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:56,680
is that how I'm understanding that we're paying whatever the bid is is assessing?

567
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:01,440
yes. That's correct. The city's payment is calculated using the same rate that other
Private property owners,

568
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:08,120
which is why it would vary from pit to pit. Is that what I'm understanding? Right. Okay.
Got it. Okay.

569
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:12,640
all right. And then I guess the last question,
If we were to go, because I don't know about doing this across the board,

570
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:18,800
but in the places where there are significant,
There's a significant city footprint, I'm wondering if it would make sense.

571
01:20:25,630 --> 01:20:28,470
and again, I guess this is a proposal that I'm putting out there. But if there is a place, because, for example,
The five properties in, in, in the red bird pit,

572
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:33,430
I'm not sure what it is, but I didn't even know they had them in the,
In that pit, but it may not be enough of a dollar value to even

573
01:20:43,190 --> 01:20:43,190
assess it. However, if it were a fair park and,
You know, the is it within a pit or something like that,

574
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:50,830
maybe it makes more sense to kind of look at it from that perspective,
Depending on the size and the value of the property that the city owns, I guess is what

575
01:20:56,710 --> 01:21:00,110
I'm trying to say. Thank you for that. Council member. Gracey. And I think one of the ways as you think through this and you guys give us your
Policy direction,

576
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:06,190
you could establish what criteria that you would want.

577
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:10,550
if this is the direction that you would like to go,
You could say that maybe there's a certain value threshold that you would want the city

578
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:21,670
property to be at before we would participate. Again, it would be that type of feedback that we would need to understand.

579
01:21:25,550 --> 01:21:25,550
and the only reason why I mentioned the seed piece is that if the council desires to
Participate in anything that would be considered new or anything renewed,

580
01:21:35,790 --> 01:21:35,790
it does also create a budget line item that we would have to build into our annual budget.

581
01:21:42,270 --> 01:21:42,270
so we would have to understand, if you want us to do only news and not renewals,
Or you want to do a little bit for renewal and a lot more for,

582
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:53,750
we would need to understand those parameters. So it's built into the budget planning. So when we bring the budget,
It's already incorporated into what then the council would be considering.

583
01:22:02,270 --> 01:22:02,270
so it would be that type of policy guidance and criteria that we would need to understand.

584
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:06,310
and we can always bring that back. It may not be what is in front of you today,
But we want to hear your feedback so we know what to come back to the council with.

585
01:22:14,110 --> 01:22:16,550
if you want to change the current policy. Thank you. And I am very sensitive to the budget impact.

586
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:18,790
that's why I was trying to figure out a way. Thanks.

587
01:22:22,980 --> 01:22:22,980
chairwoman stewart, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you,
Mayor johnson.

588
01:22:29,580 --> 01:22:32,580
let me start with a question for the city manager. Perhaps where did the funds come from in our budget to pay for this?

589
01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:41,660
because we're all very budget focused right now. Yes. So that thought occurred to me. So it depends on the property.

590
01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:46,580
so for example, when we think about the convention center that's currently participating
In the downtown peered,

591
01:22:53,580 --> 01:22:57,460
the funding for that comes out of the convention centers enterprise fund. If it's a facility that is currently sitting on the general fund,
Then that comes out of the general fund.

592
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:03,180
so it just depends on where that asset is currently considered from a budgetary
Standpoint.

593
01:23:09,580 --> 01:23:13,340
so that's currently how we do the one that is downtown. Okay. Thank you. And may I ask some questions of the dd staff.

594
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:19,380
would that be possible? Yes, ma'am. You can. I see that the president of the mayor of
Downtown is here.

595
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:25,500
miss scripps is here. Thank you. Thank you, jennifer,
For answering.

596
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:34,100
just a couple of questions. So when we talk about the funds that are coming out of the
General fund and coming to die,

597
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:42,500
where do you all spend that money? Well, first of all,
Great to be with you all this morning.

598
01:23:47,700 --> 01:23:50,940
jennifer scripps, president and ceo of downtown dallas inc. We take our duty to improve the public realm seven days a week,
365 days a year, starting with clean and safe.

599
01:24:01,420 --> 01:24:01,420
more than 70% of our budget, including y'all's payments and assessments,
Goes into seven day a week security team.

600
01:24:08,860 --> 01:24:08,860
our homeless outreach team pretty much does homeless outreach for the continuum of care in
The urban core,

601
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:15,740
and it's a constant feed. We we take care of 12 parks in downtown dallas,
And we returned most recently $1 million

602
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:26,090
into the public realm through 79 improvement projects just this past year to prepare and
Welcome the world for fifa.

603
01:24:33,690 --> 01:24:33,690
we were really pleased. So it is those daily activations,
Movie nights that please our 16,000 residents,

604
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:41,050
as well as reducing the burden on dpd because we have hired so many off duty officers that
Work in partnership with our team.

605
01:24:49,730 --> 01:24:52,770
so nothing is possible without clean and safe. That's been a huge priority over the last couple of years.

606
01:24:55,890 --> 01:24:55,890
we are doing a major plan for economic development that will be unveiling in september as
Well.

607
01:25:01,170 --> 01:25:01,170
so but I really want to stress that your the payments are going into those public realm
Enhancements seven days a week.

608
01:25:08,370 --> 01:25:08,370
okay. Thank you. I think obviously I have pet experience and what I hear and what I know
To be the case

609
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:18,290
is that downtown. Has more of a challenge, we'll say,
With some of these issues than most districts.

610
01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:27,330
and so and I also believe because we have these properties,
We would, and we're downtown city hall,

611
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:34,930
obviously here we would be spending our budget funds on,
You know, looking at the homeless issue and trying to

612
01:25:44,210 --> 01:25:44,210
unravel that and work on that. We would be looking at picking up trash.

613
01:25:48,290 --> 01:25:51,690
we would be looking at taking care of the 12 parks. So there are going to be funds from our general fund used for downtown one way or the
Other.

614
01:25:59,170 --> 01:25:59,170
I appreciate the fact that you all have created programs that are successful on all three
Fronts.

615
01:26:08,690 --> 01:26:08,690
I see, you know, a huge difference just really in the last maybe 5 to 8 years in terms of
The clean and safe part of

616
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:18,120
downtown. And so you all are making great strides there and have the ability to stay laser
Focused on that in a way that I will just say,

617
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:27,280
I don't know that city hall can. So I think we are going.

618
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:36,800
dollars will need to be spent on those issues regardless. And giving those dollars to you to spend on clean and safe makes sense to me.

619
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:42,480
and not every neighborhood, not every kid has the same degree and challenges that you all
Have.

620
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:52,760
so I'm not sure I've said that very articulately,
But I do see a difference in what happens downtown,

621
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:58,920
and I do appreciate the commitment of dd. I I will say I was surprised when this first
Came up that there were city dollars going

622
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:09,080
you know, to a ped, but as I processed it, asked some questions,
Learned what those dollars were being spent on.

623
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:16,000
it does make sense to me. It also makes sense to me to potentially have dollars for those
New pets,

624
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:23,720
as you said, some seed dollars because it is tough in the first.

625
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:28,880
in the first few years, I think the budget was maybe 185,000.

626
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:34,840
in the first few years of the lake highlands pet and to pay a salary and to pay your e&p
Officers and even just to begin to think about beautification,

627
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:43,800
there was just it was very, very limited. And even things like trash cans are so
Expensive,

628
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:48,280
additional lighting. And so, I mean, I honor that because I think the even enhancements,
Crosswalks,

629
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:54,320
we did 150 last year. It really adds up. It does it does these,
These are not these are very expensive enhancements,

630
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,640
let's say that and we call them enhancements,
But they're critical needs. I mean, it's picking up trash and painting crosswalks.

631
01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:13,230
those are those are important to quality of life and to health and safety. So all that's to say, I like the idea of some seed money.

632
01:28:17,750 --> 01:28:21,430
this is a year where we are very conscious about our budget. I don't think we should, at this point in time,
Increase our contributions and make contributions to all the kids.

633
01:28:29,630 --> 01:28:29,630
there may be some exceptions again with the new ones,
But I think continuing what we do with dei,

634
01:28:35,230 --> 01:28:35,230
we are all benefiting. We would spend that money one way or the other.

635
01:28:40,150 --> 01:28:40,150
and and I don't see the other kids here clamoring at the door asking for additional
Assessments at this point.

636
01:28:48,710 --> 01:28:48,710
so for this, at this particular moment in time,
It would be my recommendation that we continue with what we've done and have been doing

637
01:28:56,630 --> 01:28:59,830
and not make any major changes. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Roth, you recognized for five minutes.

638
01:29:04,190 --> 01:29:04,190
thank you. I wanted to concur with council member stewart in her assessment.

639
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:11,270
I think that first of all, I think dd is doing a great job.

640
01:29:16,350 --> 01:29:16,350
I appreciate personally the fact that your commitment to the development,
To the improvement,

641
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:21,510
to the encouragement of the downtown area that's really important to this city.

642
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:27,110
part of the reason that I think we have the obligation to contribute to this is that we
Are part of the responsible for part of the needs that are

643
01:29:37,230 --> 01:29:37,230
that are extra for this city, downtown sector,
Because this is a unique situation.

644
01:29:44,590 --> 01:29:44,590
this is not the typical reason for a pit. So I think this this is a unique situation.

645
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:51,990
I think the current situation is, is should be continued.

646
01:29:57,670 --> 01:29:57,670
and I would like to suggest that the option that we're considering be this first option,
Which is leaving the situation alone and

647
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:07,300
reevaluating it on an annual basis as necessary.

648
01:30:11,460 --> 01:30:11,460
I don't think that there is a need for us as a body to start creating policies and
Evaluations and plans on

649
01:30:21,380 --> 01:30:21,380
how we figure out if a pyd should justify our participation at this point.

650
01:30:27,980 --> 01:30:27,980
and the reason is, is because the need for our participation would probably be very unique
In every situation.

651
01:30:37,300 --> 01:30:37,300
and so for us to start speculating, theorizing,
Trying to plan for something that may or may not occur to me is really not efficient and

652
01:30:46,780 --> 01:30:46,780
is not necessary at this time. And I would suggest that if a particular pyd had an unusual
Situation,

653
01:30:55,460 --> 01:30:55,460
that that justified a need for us to provide additional funds due to something that as a
City,

654
01:31:03,060 --> 01:31:03,060
we are participating or responsible for, then we would evaluate that on a case by case
Basis based on the circumstances,

655
01:31:11,650 --> 01:31:15,090
our financial situation and the situation at the time. So I would strongly recommend that we just allow the current policy to exist,
That we don't take any further action and don't burden staff with the

656
01:31:25,090 --> 01:31:25,090
need to create policy considerations for something that is very difficult to anticipate
Anyway.

657
01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:33,250
I'm also concerned in that I want to make sure that whatever we are doing,
Especially in the evaluation of the assessment based on market value

658
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:46,770
of the properties, to me is also a challenge. Maybe something we need to look into, because I'm not really sure.

659
01:31:50,050 --> 01:31:50,050
how do we evaluate the assessed value of government buildings and art buildings and public
Buildings?

660
01:31:56,690 --> 01:31:56,690
and to some extent that may be something we do need to look at generally in our budgetary
Considerations for the amount

661
01:32:06,610 --> 01:32:06,610
of money that we're doing in the future. But my recommendation would be to please leave
The let's leave it alone.

662
01:32:12,250 --> 01:32:16,250
it doesn't it doesn't seem like it's broken. It doesn't seem like it needs to be fixed. So let's, let's continue. And thank you also for dde,
For everything that you're doing on behalf of the downtown.

663
01:32:24,490 --> 01:32:24,490
and if I could just make a brief comment on that related to the seed funding,
Right.

664
01:32:31,530 --> 01:32:31,530
we do have a precedent where the city has contributed seed funds to a brand new pit,
And that's with redbird public improvement district.

665
01:32:39,490 --> 01:32:42,930
and that did not require a change to our policy. So we are able to contract contract with an entity.

666
01:32:47,290 --> 01:32:47,290
and in that case there were discretionary city council funds that were available.

667
01:32:52,250 --> 01:32:52,250
and it was a $200,000 one year agreement to help stand up operations for that pit.

668
01:32:58,570 --> 01:32:58,570
and again, that did not. Require us to change our policy.

669
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:08,560
I'd like to just add to that, and thank you for maria for that reminder. But if council wants it to be something that is not tied to some type of individual
Discretionary dollars from a specific district,

670
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:16,840
and it would be how you'd want us to look at it across the board.

671
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:21,040
that's when I would want to make sure that the policy gives us the guidance and the
Ability to be able to do it.

672
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,360
and so where it's not just a one off, but there is that example. So thank you, maria, for reminding us of that.

673
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:39,600
chairwoman will is recognized for five minutes. Thank you mayor. So city manager I had a question for you.

674
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:44,760
going back to this, it sounds like what I heard a moment ago is that should we adopt,
Including city properties and contributing it would come then from

675
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:54,680
their line item out of the general fund, for instance,
I can look at midtown.

676
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:01,480
I know better. There are 17 properties. Some of the ones that jump out to me are.

677
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:05,920
there's a library, there are some parks. There's the vickery justice center,
There's a sanitation center,

678
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:10,960
which obviously that's enterprise. But are you telling me that for the library's portion
Of the assessment that would hit their budget,

679
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:21,160
it would be the general fund, just general. It would not necessarily go in the general
Fund.

680
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:25,360
yes, ma'am. Well, I mean, not the midtown library budget,
But I mean the library's fund.

681
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:31,520
that's still the general in general. Well, I know that,
But I mean, is it you know, people still have pockets that we put our hand into.

682
01:34:37,480 --> 01:34:37,480
so would that be coming out of the library line item to help pay the tab on the library's
Land

683
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:47,200
expense? So as a cost center, that's not how we do the budgeting piece of it.

684
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:52,280
I think that if there is a library that would be sitting in a particular district that we
Would want to participate in.

685
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:59,270
it comes there's a bucket where we pay for even the current assessment that we do for for
The downtown.

686
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:04,950
and I don't know if it's not it's it's an environmental non-departmental non-departmental.

687
01:35:10,430 --> 01:35:10,430
so it's not necessarily it's not even sitting in the eco department's budget.

688
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:14,790
so it would just be another line item that would come out of the bucket that's already
Sitting there.

689
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:23,550
so it wouldn't be a line item that's sitting in the library's budget. If if I answered your question, yes, you did.

690
01:35:25,710 --> 01:35:25,710
okay. Thank you very much. So we vote on service plans.

691
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:31,070
so all of these service plans you know, we agree to and so as I look at these amounts of
Money,

692
01:35:39,550 --> 01:35:39,550
I mean, it doesn't seem that big $430,000 as it stands today.

693
01:35:43,670 --> 01:35:43,670
but to council member stewart's point you know,
Things are tight and we need to watch every penny.

694
01:35:48,550 --> 01:35:48,550
and this is something this is an ad and you know,
It seems like what's being spent on, you know,

695
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:57,030
there are legal parameters for what this can be spent on,
Which includes homeless outreach,

696
01:36:02,230 --> 01:36:02,230
public safety, and things like that that the city is already paying for.

697
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:07,110
and it seems like it would behoove the city to have a more direct line of expending those
Funds in those categories,

698
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:15,430
then running it through a service plan. One of the things that you called out was seasonal
Color change and beautification,

699
01:36:22,710 --> 01:36:22,710
which is lovely, but I don't know that I'd want to see in 2020 627,
Any city money going to a

700
01:36:32,990 --> 01:36:32,990
seasonal color change. So but that would be the reality that it could go into a
Beautification line item.

701
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:44,790
I'm not talking about downtown dallas inc.. Yeah. Yes, yes. So the, our, the city's participation would be spent according to the service
Plan that council adopts and

702
01:36:54,820 --> 01:36:54,820
according to the the categories of improvements that were petitioned by property owners so
It wouldn't be directed into something like that,

703
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:06,580
but it would still go into that fund where that could be part of the service plan. And I mean, it's necessary. And certainly in certain areas it looks great.

704
01:37:09,900 --> 01:37:09,900
I'm just, you know, right now I'm struggling with,
Would we want to put into a pot of money where that could be one of the directions that it

705
01:37:16,620 --> 01:37:16,620
would go? You know, the city is contributing already around homeless outreach,
Code enforcement,

706
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:23,500
police, fire, and then also administering the assessments and the distribution of the
Assessments.

707
01:37:30,780 --> 01:37:34,420
so that's an administrative cost. Yes, ma'am. There is an administrative component. Okay. Does this take into account other revenue
Generation that the kids can create?

708
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:44,180
you know, because as I look at this, some of these items or you know,
What it would be are fairly low like to council member stewarts point on lake highlands,

709
01:37:52,380 --> 01:37:52,380
it would be $10,000. You know, I'm thinking about sponsorship events,
Other ways to get out there and hustle some dollars.

710
01:38:00,460 --> 01:38:00,460
does this look at in addition to the assessment what else is being generated.

711
01:38:04,820 --> 01:38:04,820
yeah. This is solely assessments. But to your point,
Yes, many kids do do other sorts of fundraising.

712
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:13,580
they have a memberships or they get get grants from other entities.

713
01:38:21,180 --> 01:38:21,180
and so there's, there's ways that they can leverage assessment dollars with other sources
Of funds.

714
01:38:26,620 --> 01:38:26,620
so again, when I'm looking at coming out of the general fund,
And I'm looking at some of these dollar amounts,

715
01:38:31,900 --> 01:38:31,900
which range from $168,000 for klyde warren park,
You know, down to 9400 for redbird.

716
01:38:39,620 --> 01:38:39,620
it seems like, you know, kids are pretty active and they they have events and that sort of
Thing.

717
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:44,540
and that these numbers would be something that hustling some sponsorships could could
Generate.

718
01:38:53,850 --> 01:38:53,850
all right. Well, I think the in this in this particular time,
I don't see adding something new.

719
01:39:00,250 --> 01:39:03,450
I definitely believe in supporting downtown dallas inc. I mean, you know, we are at a pivotal point and we don't need to be taking away from
Downtown dallas.

720
01:39:08,850 --> 01:39:08,850
we need to be bolstering downtown dallas and all of the great work that you all do in the
Areas that are so critical for us,

721
01:39:14,930 --> 01:39:14,930
not only for the people who live here, but for the people who we want to live here and the
People we want to move here and have conventions here, etc.

722
01:39:21,290 --> 01:39:21,290
so definitely want to reinforce that. But on these others,
I just feel like there are other ways that these amounts of money could be

723
01:39:32,050 --> 01:39:32,050
generated without taking it out of the general fund that we already know is going to run
Tight on just making sure we achieve our core services.

724
01:39:42,250 --> 01:39:42,250
thank you. There we go. Deputy mayor pro tem,
You're recognized for five minutes.

725
01:39:48,730 --> 01:39:48,730
thank you, mr. Mayor. I just have a question here because I'm still learning about pete,
And we've had conversations in district four concerning it.

726
01:39:57,210 --> 01:39:57,210
can low income communities follow the same format as d I?

727
01:40:04,450 --> 01:40:04,450
I'm sorry, I don't. Can low income communities follow the same format as ddi.

728
01:40:12,770 --> 01:40:12,770
so whatever the the the service plan that aye provides,
It's 100% reflective of what the community wants the pyd to do.

729
01:40:21,850 --> 01:40:21,850
so if if the community wants additional security,
Then absolutely.

730
01:40:28,690 --> 01:40:28,690
and there's definitely ways that there's a lot of collaboration between pds and they often
Talk to each other and share best

731
01:40:38,290 --> 01:40:38,290
practices of how programs can be replicated in different districts.

732
01:40:43,170 --> 01:40:43,170
so I would say, a. Yes. So from an equity standpoint,
How can we get a p if we don't have the same income

733
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:53,080
coming in to certain communities? That's my point exactly.

734
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,200
silence. Have a language but you go ahead. Yeah. So there are you know, it's it's 100% at, at,
At the request of property owners.

735
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:11,360
it's not something the city creates. And there have,
You know, there are pidds in, in other parts of the,

736
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:20,120
the city that, you know, maybe don't have the same demographics as,
You know, different parts of the city,

737
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:30,120
but there are, there are the kids that we, we have are very distinct and I think they
Cover different spectrums and geographies.

738
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,760
I understand the answer, but you didn't answer it. Low income areas that cannot, that do not have the same income flowing into their
Community,

739
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:47,520
but want the same level of security. How can they get it through this process?

740
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:53,160
just to be clear, pidds can be created anywhere in the city,
But the city does not create them.

741
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,560
they have to be at the request of the property owners themselves. So my community and communities in southern dallas are requesting it.

742
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:08,640
they come to me. We've had community meetings and they they want they want this level of
Security.

743
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:12,760
so I'm asking, how can they get it if the income level is not the same?

744
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:17,200
because when I spoke with members of dpd, when I spoke with other community members,
They they are so excited about how they have

745
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:26,560
security sitting at the end of their street to prevent anyone that really does not live in
Their neighborhood.

746
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,440
and they, they pretty much follow them because they know who lives over there. Right? So you have that, that, that blanket,
That security.

747
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:39,320
however, in and district four partner district for certain communities that need that
Resources,

748
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:46,110
that little resource is not there. So that's why I'm asking if you don't have that level
Of income,

749
01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:51,830
how can we get the same results? So I'd like to try to see if I can answer the question.

750
01:42:57,990 --> 01:42:57,990
deputy mayor pro tem johnson. So as we're talking today,
We're talking about a process that really does require the owners of property

751
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:07,910
in a particular area to initiate a process for either establishing a public improvement
District,

752
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:15,990
as council member bazaldua pointed out. We know that there have been areas of our city
Where they've tried to do that,

753
01:43:22,110 --> 01:43:22,110
and I'm familiar with the one that that was in and around the the fair park area.

754
01:43:27,310 --> 01:43:27,310
but because of the lack of, I would say, expansiveness of the dollars that would flow,
Then in that particular part of the city,

755
01:43:36,630 --> 01:43:36,630
it made it more difficult. So the reason why we're having this conversation today is in
Those parts of our community where they might desire to create a

756
01:43:46,260 --> 01:43:49,780
pit, which is what we're talking about today. That might include city owned property within that district.

757
01:43:55,020 --> 01:43:55,020
do we as a city or does this council want the city to participate?

758
01:44:00,420 --> 01:44:00,420
that would create an upfront way for there to be some funding that would come into the pit
Through an assessment of city owned property in the instance

759
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:10,420
that you're talking about, we do know that there are certain parts of the community where
Through whether it's neighborhood groups where they will pay as part of their

760
01:44:19,860 --> 01:44:19,860
hoa and how they create additional security. They might be participating in a program
Through the police department that they can get

761
01:44:29,460 --> 01:44:29,460
additional off duty coverage where there's officers assigned to their neighborhoods.

762
01:44:34,020 --> 01:44:36,660
and I think that that happens across the city. So we would like to be able to just make sure that if it's about a pyd,
That we can explain how a pyd is established.

763
01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:44,980
if it's more about getting the additional coverage that is something we definitely want to
Be able to work with our police chief on.

764
01:44:52,580 --> 01:44:52,580
if it's more about neighborhoods being able to pay for even additional coverage above and
Beyond what we're currently providing,

765
01:45:01,260 --> 01:45:01,260
that is something as well that we can definitely speak more directly about. But I just
Want to make sure today what we're asking council to give us feedback on is,

766
01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:09,500
do you want a policy that automatically either gives us the ability to have city owned
Land be included in a pyd?

767
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:18,180
we talked about maybe start up peds, where there might be a seed payment that helps get
That pyd up and running.

768
01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:25,860
that's something we'd like to hear from the council. But then of course,
We can talk a little bit more about what might be overall desires,

769
01:45:33,220 --> 01:45:33,220
but I think I know what you're asking. I just want to make sure that we're clear that this
Is really about a self-initiated process from a community and whether or not,

770
01:45:42,330 --> 01:45:42,330
if they're city owned property in that district where the pit is being established,
Do we participate or not?

771
01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:48,410
so that's really what we're trying to establish today. And,
And you I think we're on the same page.

772
01:45:54,770 --> 01:45:54,770
and again, I, I like what I was doing, I met with him and we're trying to bring the same
Thing.

773
01:45:59,890 --> 01:45:59,890
my, my question is if, if we don't have the same level of income,
Can we get the same results?

774
01:46:08,090 --> 01:46:08,090
and to me that answer would be no, because we don't have the same level of income for the
Security that they have and etc..

775
01:46:13,850 --> 01:46:13,850
so if if the discussion is if do we do the city get involved in,
In a more intimate manner to,

776
01:46:22,930 --> 01:46:22,930
to create that equity across the board to help those communities that may not have that,
That level of income to bring these same,

777
01:46:30,770 --> 01:46:34,090
I think, resources to our community. Then I was. I would probably lean toward that and see how that would work,
Because I think that all of our communities I know chair gracey

778
01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:43,930
and councilwoman blair, our district gets each other quite a bit.

779
01:46:49,450 --> 01:46:49,450
and so we're having the same conversations. And so I want to make sure that the safety and
All those resources that come with the pit is also in our community.

780
01:46:58,570 --> 01:46:58,570
so I would love to hear more plan on how we can get that done and establish that so we can
See what we can do.

781
01:47:05,050 --> 01:47:05,050
because I know marcellus park want that. Definitely.

782
01:47:09,130 --> 01:47:09,130
so that's what I'm trying to get at. And if we don't have the same income level,
How can we get the same results?

783
01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:14,370
thank you so much. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Thank. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor. And I just will say that we are more than happy to spend the time in your

784
01:47:21,970 --> 01:47:21,970
district or any other city council district explaining the kids how they work,
The establishment of them.

785
01:47:28,690 --> 01:47:28,690
mr. Spath pointed out that it is really initiated,
Not necessarily by the city, but we can definitely provide all of the requirements and

786
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:38,200
what the current policies are and be more than welcome to answer questions and be able to
Support you.

787
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,360
deputy mayor pro tem and any establishment of any pits in district four. Thank you. Chairman ridley recognized for five minutes.

788
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:54,680
thank you, mr. Mayor. In six days from now on next tuesday,
We will be meeting around this horseshoe to attempt to find a way

789
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:04,680
to close a $50 million gap in next year's budget.

790
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:09,960
I think it's self-defeating to today be discussing how we can add to that deficit by
Adding additional expense

791
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:19,960
to the city's budget. But let me go to the underlying philosophy here of ppis.

792
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:27,320
I believe strongly that it is important that kids be self-sustaining.

793
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:35,960
they are a method, a mechanism by which individual property owners in a certain geographic
Area can decide to assess

794
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:45,080
themselves additional funds on top of their regular tax levy to provide additional
Services for their

795
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:54,640
neighborhoods. They should have the right to do that.

796
01:48:59,320 --> 01:48:59,320
but we should also recognize that the reason,
Presumably, that this council originally decided that the kids should be

797
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:09,000
self-sustaining and not rely upon city assessments,
Is that the city itself provides those

798
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:18,920
kinds of services in most respects on across the city basis.

799
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:25,880
so if we want to talk about equity. I think it's important that we recognize that the most
Equitable solution is to allow the

800
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:35,430
city to utilize the funds, which we're talking about contributing to kids across the city,

801
01:49:42,910 --> 01:49:42,910
to the general fund, to provide those services across the board to everyone,
And particularly the underprivileged neighborhoods,

802
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:52,790
because they can't generate enough additional assessment through a ped to add to their
Services.

803
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:03,470
it's more equitable to preserve that money in the city's general fund,
So that we can target,

804
01:50:09,910 --> 01:50:09,910
as a policy, those underprivileged, under-resourced neighborhoods and provide the services
That they need.

805
01:50:17,790 --> 01:50:17,790
now, I am convinced that dei is doing an excellent job as stewards of the taxpayers money
Who have

806
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:27,590
agreed voluntarily to assess themselves. For downtown improvements,
And indeed, I believe it's appropriate that we have made

807
01:50:37,390 --> 01:50:37,390
a. Long term exception that the city contribute to downtown inc's coffers.

808
01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:45,630
because I believe they can provide the services that they do on a more efficient basis
Than the city can.

809
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:53,430
and a more targeted basis. They are a force multiplier for dpd.

810
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:59,910
without having the expense of hiring additional officers and additional patrol cars.

811
01:51:05,590 --> 01:51:05,590
they are the eyes and the ears of dpd downtown.

812
01:51:11,350 --> 01:51:11,350
so that's an efficiency. In addition, we have,
What is it, several hundred million dollars of assessed valuation

813
01:51:21,110 --> 01:51:21,110
in downtown. And as a result, we are large users of their services.

814
01:51:28,380 --> 01:51:28,380
I think it's perfectly appropriate, as illustrated by the benchmark cities,
Who also do this,

815
01:51:35,780 --> 01:51:35,780
that we contribute to the coffers of our downtown improvement district.

816
01:51:39,900 --> 01:51:39,900
and so I'm a firm supporter of our current system and option one,
Preserving our current system.

817
01:51:47,900 --> 01:51:47,900
thank you. Miss blackmon, you recognized for five minutes.

818
01:51:55,740 --> 01:51:58,140
thank you and thanks for bringing this forward. So I have a couple of questions. When you look at item 18,
It says number of city accounts at the top.

819
01:52:07,580 --> 01:52:07,580
what is in the definition of an account? An account is the the dcad account number that is
Assigned

820
01:52:17,860 --> 01:52:17,860
to a taxpayer or a property. So there's 108 of those in the ddi boundary,
Correct?

821
01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:26,940
how many of those overlap with klyde warren or any other ones of the city accounts that
Overlap?

822
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:38,180
I don't have the exact number, but there is some overlap. Correct. So because it's so and there's no and it says non park land.

823
01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:47,300
so we don't know the acreage or the square footage of those accounts. We don't we do know that there's approximately 50 park accounts,
But we don't pay an assessment on those.

824
01:52:54,340 --> 01:52:54,340
correct. On those accounts. So that's why they're excluded from that count. I'm thinking
Accounts is not a fair look at the if you're looking at a geographical space and you

825
01:53:04,300 --> 01:53:07,660
have just an account, it could be white rock lake,
Right? You know, it's like it doesn't it could take up the whole thing or it could take up a
Small smidgen.

826
01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:15,180
so I'm trying to get a better understanding of an account. That way you can apply it to all like, you know,
Halperin park has got 29 accounts, but I'm sure the zoo is one of them.

827
01:53:23,770 --> 01:53:23,770
so you're getting a better comparison of how much actually is the coverage of the pit
Area.

828
01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:29,290
yeah. So the reason we say accounts is because,
You know, there can be a parcel of land that has one one account property on it,

829
01:53:38,370 --> 01:53:41,730
but there also could be a parcel of land that might have like a condo building. And so there's actually going to be 50. So that's why I'm saying accounts on it.

830
01:53:46,090 --> 01:53:46,090
but but then that's why I'm saying you probably need square footage that way because it's
The condo,

831
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:50,930
right? It's the stacking of it. And then instead of just the flat surface to understand
Exactly what the geographic.

832
01:53:57,970 --> 01:53:57,970
that's in my opinion, however you can. But because the accounts are not really it's not
It's not comparing apples to apples in some cases that I'm feeling.

833
01:54:07,290 --> 01:54:07,290
yeah. The, the, the reason the accounts are relevant is just because that the,
The assessment is calculated based on the market value of that

834
01:54:17,050 --> 01:54:17,050
property. And that's why, you know but I understand your,
Your comment.

835
01:54:23,530 --> 01:54:23,530
and so also too, when you look at property values,
I mean certified, I mean, let's be honest,

836
01:54:31,050 --> 01:54:31,050
we don't, our property values across our city are not balanced.

837
01:54:35,330 --> 01:54:35,330
I mean, a land here south of here does not, you know,
We mister maxi johnson and I were talking and a house that could be in

838
01:54:45,010 --> 01:54:45,010
lakewood is not. Value is a different value that he has at cedar crest.

839
01:54:49,330 --> 01:54:49,330
so when you look at the property values, that could be skewed as well too.

840
01:54:53,970 --> 01:54:56,530
it's the property value of the property value. That's city of city owned property. It's not property values of generally all the the
Accounts that exist in that public improvement district.

841
01:55:06,450 --> 01:55:06,450
this is just the value of city property. And there and you and you've done it.

842
01:55:13,410 --> 01:55:13,410
whereas if it was in the northeast part of town,
Is the same as in the south east part of town.

843
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:18,840
did you create a aye mechanism there? We use data that's provided by dcad.

844
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:24,200
okay, so it's a dcad number. It's a dcad number,
Which obviously is not a balanced number.

845
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:29,440
in some cases. Okay.

846
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:39,760
and then secondly, jennifer, what is the dd budget?

847
01:55:45,240 --> 01:55:49,240
it's about $13 million. So you all have a $13 million budget. 13.3 I'm sorry. 13.3 okay. 13.3 and what do you say the most of your budget goes to.

848
01:55:58,360 --> 01:55:58,360
73% go to clean and safe seven day a week services.

849
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:03,000
and then the other 27 goes to programing where 9% 10%.

850
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:09,160
oh and a with operation administration and parks is increasing,
But currently set at 7%.

851
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:17,270
okay. Also to so kim or miss tolbert, you know,
I applaud you for closing a gap

852
01:56:27,230 --> 01:56:27,230
of $50 million because that's not easy. How would adding another half a million,
Sorry, on top of that every year affect your business

853
01:56:37,110 --> 01:56:37,110
practice moving forward? Because I would actually like to try to give you $1 million back
To or use the million dollars among all of them.

854
01:56:45,670 --> 01:56:45,670
and that way you divvy it out in a in an interesting way,
Because in the taxing that's done,

855
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:52,430
it should be sufficient. The. And if we're not going,
We shouldn't do one and not do all.

856
01:56:58,670 --> 01:56:58,670
but I don't want to put added strain because we have no money.

857
01:57:03,590 --> 01:57:03,590
so explain how another half a billion, half $1 million would add to the overall
Constraints.

858
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:15,310
I do appreciate the question. Councilwoman. Blackmon. And what I can tell you is that if we are looking to add things that are currently not
Accounted for in the current proposed budget

859
01:57:25,230 --> 01:57:25,230
that you're going to get this week. We are down to service impact across the board because
We

860
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:35,430
know that the reality that we're facing right now is that our revenues and the way we're
Looking at our expenses,

861
01:57:41,950 --> 01:57:41,950
even with all the things that we've done over these last 45 days,
It has been extremely painful.

862
01:57:46,830 --> 01:57:46,830
and you will see a lot of that in what you will get in your hands here very soon.

863
01:57:51,670 --> 01:57:51,670
so what I will tell you is that it will be service impacts.

864
01:57:57,110 --> 01:57:57,110
definitely want to make sure that we're, you know,
Moving in a direction that council wants us to move.

865
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:03,430
but we are looking for ways to continue to streamline and set the city up for the future
When it comes to the way we look at expenses,

866
01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:12,300
and you're going to see the ways that we're looking at new partnerships that we've built
Into the budget,

867
01:58:17,260 --> 01:58:17,260
as well as the things that we can no longer do.

868
01:58:21,300 --> 01:58:21,300
and I think that is the reality. And so, you know,
Whichever way council wants to go, it's my job to figure it out.

869
01:58:29,020 --> 01:58:29,020
but I will tell you that right now, if I looked at the current budget that we have worked
On over these last few weeks,

870
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:35,100
and if there's wiggle room and I can just figure it out,
Like right now on the spot, I would tell you no.

871
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:40,500
but definitely want to address the concerns in a way that,
That are not only responsible,

872
01:58:47,180 --> 01:58:51,060
but it's, it's sustainable to where we don't begin to move in a direction. And then I have to come to you next year and say the very thing that you want to do,
We can no longer do.

873
01:58:55,420 --> 01:58:55,420
so I appreciate the question. And again, we just we wanted to have this conversation
Because I know that we have talked about looking at all of our policies,

874
01:59:04,020 --> 01:59:07,820
and I think this is one that has not been reviewed since 2005. And if council wants to do something differently. I think now is the time that we got to
Begin to talk about turning over all the stones.

875
01:59:14,620 --> 01:59:14,620
I think that's important. But thank you for recognizing some of the budget constraints
That we have,

876
01:59:19,300 --> 01:59:23,260
but I would be taking it out of service cuts at this moment. And so right now, the million dollars that we have been giving to ddi,
The downtown improvement district is that is an obligation that we

877
01:59:33,180 --> 01:59:33,180
are, we are obligated to do or is that a stipend or how is that structured?

878
01:59:38,260 --> 01:59:38,260
I think the language and I'll look to the team to make sure that I don't say this
Incorrectly.

879
01:59:42,780 --> 01:59:46,660
I think there's still a subject to annual appropriations. I know we've gotten ourselves in some situations now that that language was not included
Because the contracts were very,

880
01:59:53,980 --> 01:59:57,260
very old. And we're dealing with some of that currently. But I do believe that there is a subject to appropriation.

881
01:59:59,820 --> 01:59:59,820
but I'll be looking to maria to tell me no. And so what that means is,
Is that any given year,

882
02:00:05,060 --> 02:00:05,060
if council wants to make the decision that we do not participate?

883
02:00:10,250 --> 02:00:10,250
I think you have the flexibility based on budget constraints to say that you're not.

884
02:00:14,410 --> 02:00:14,410
but I'm going to look and make sure that I'm saying that correctly. The city has a
Contractual agreement with ddi,

885
02:00:21,810 --> 02:00:21,810
and in that contract, it says that the city will participate in the downtown improvement
District.

886
02:00:26,770 --> 02:00:26,770
but annually, city. When council approves the budget for d d,
There is an agenda item.

887
02:00:34,890 --> 02:00:34,890
and that's a cost consideration item and it's subject to appropriation.

888
02:00:38,970 --> 02:00:38,970
so it's up to whether or not council. So we have flexibility.

889
02:00:43,810 --> 02:00:43,810
yes. Okay. In that. So if we wanted to say, you know,
We're cutting stipends across the board on all of our partners and everybody comes 10%

890
02:00:52,010 --> 02:00:52,010
down. This could be one of them. Yes, ma'am. And you will see some of that in your budget
In the next couple of days.

891
02:00:59,210 --> 02:00:59,210
jennifer, what with the million one going away,
What is that cut from your budget?

892
02:01:05,250 --> 02:01:05,250
the city is about 7% of our budget. So seven what programs?

893
02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:09,730
7%. Oh, we would have to reassess. I think parks in particular have almost,
You know, really,

894
02:01:18,050 --> 02:01:18,050
really been a huge increase of late as we've added green space.

895
02:01:23,770 --> 02:01:23,770
we don't get any money from the parks department homeless outreach,
And we would be very loathe to reduce clean and safe,

896
02:01:31,850 --> 02:01:31,850
but everything would be on the table. Okay. Thank you,
Chairwoman mendelsohn, you're recognized for five minutes.

897
02:01:41,690 --> 02:01:41,690
thank you so much, mayor. My input on this is quite simply,
No way am I interested in the changes that are considered in this presentation.

898
02:01:51,810 --> 02:01:51,810
I think it's actually pretty shocking that we would even consider a voluntary tax on
Government buildings.

899
02:02:00,010 --> 02:02:00,010
and it's pretty tone deaf considering there's furloughing of employees,
Closing of libraries considered reducing rec center hours.

900
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:10,480
I'll spare you the rest of the items. The pits are formed to meet real challenges
Happening in specific areas.

901
02:02:20,840 --> 02:02:20,840
and they're meant to be beyond what a city services.

902
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:25,520
but what's fascinating is to hear from pit directors and economic development that we're
Talking about picking up trash.

903
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:35,520
we already charge our residents $3 a month on their water bill for picking up trash.

904
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:45,680
this isn't really supposed to be a pit activity. There's talk of painting crosswalks. Street striping is something that the city is charged
With doing.

905
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:52,040
I believe we're taking it from dart money right now to do,
But if we're not fully funding the striping that's necessary,

906
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:01,320
we should. This again shouldn't be a pit activity.

907
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:08,880
and then. Homeless services we're already funding. And if the city and housing forward, which we also fund significantly aren't doing the
Job,

908
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:15,400
then we need to get on the ball. So no, I don't think the city should be funding pits.

909
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:21,880
it's literally businesses and residents voluntarily raising their hand,
Saying tax me more because I want to

910
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:31,840
do something beyond what government does. So when we're talking about how we spend our
Dollars,

911
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:39,360
I hope we'll go back to that community survey and remember that our residents want their
Streets fixed.

912
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:46,120
they want public safety. And if we aren't taking care of those two,
We are missing the mark.

913
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:51,640
and this is a again, a pretty shocking conversation.

914
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:56,000
I'm not interested in making changes and I hope we will work to reduce the amount of money
We give to die.

915
02:04:03,950 --> 02:04:03,950
over time, I would agree that this is not the time to remove those funds,
But it shouldn't be considered as a long term for sure.

916
02:04:13,350 --> 02:04:13,350
million dollar stipend. Thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem be recognized for three minutes.

917
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:19,910
thank you. Trying to get a better understanding.

918
02:04:24,150 --> 02:04:24,150
how much do we do receive from the city of dallas out of the general budget?

919
02:04:32,110 --> 02:04:32,110
are for the current fiscal year, it's approximately $1 million,
$1 million.

920
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:39,750
how much does the executive staff makes out of that million dollars? How much does the
Executive team,

921
02:04:47,310 --> 02:04:47,310
the executive staff, or makes out of that million dollars?

922
02:04:52,950 --> 02:04:52,950
our our operations and administrative portion,
Which would be more than just executive staff is between 9 and 10%.

923
02:05:01,470 --> 02:05:01,470
how? How much is that in dollars and cents? Yeah,
$100,000.

924
02:05:06,270 --> 02:05:06,270
it would be $100,000 because that's that, you know,
As the ratio.

925
02:05:11,590 --> 02:05:11,590
can you guys give me a breakdown of how much the executive staff makes holistically,
Not just the whole thing?

926
02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:17,070
can you can you guys do that for me? You can email it to me if you can tell me now.

927
02:05:24,630 --> 02:05:28,590
I like to know how much it makes because if you're coming out of general bond,
The general fund, I just like to know what what we're giving and how much is being spent and where it's
Going.

928
02:05:34,590 --> 02:05:34,590
that's just me being prudent and just trying to understand the fiscal responsibility of
The money that we're giving, especially if we're in a deficit right now.

929
02:05:42,990 --> 02:05:45,830
I just like to know where the money is going and how it's being used. $1 million. Yeah. We will follow up with you after this.

930
02:05:48,790 --> 02:05:52,790
can you do that while we're still here, though? I don't think that's a hard ask. I'm
Sorry. Can you can you get that while we're still here? I don't think that's a complicated ask.
The city does not collect salary information from any of our kids.

931
02:06:02,500 --> 02:06:02,500
but you can give that to us. But we would have to work with dd to see what information we
Can get under our city manager.

932
02:06:09,140 --> 02:06:09,140
how can we get that? Dealing with the transparency of the budget? I would like to have
That information because it's coming out of the general fund. Correct.

933
02:06:16,620 --> 02:06:16,620
so the total amount that maria gave that we're currently contributing to d is a
Combination of the funding from the general fund as well as the enterprise fund,

934
02:06:26,540 --> 02:06:26,540
because the convention center also pays in. So I wanted to make sure that that million is
Not just the general fund.

935
02:06:32,820 --> 02:06:32,820
that's a total. I think the general fund is around 400 700,000,
Approximately around 700,000.

936
02:06:39,940 --> 02:06:39,940
and then the remaining of that is what we bring out of the general of the enterprise fund.

937
02:06:44,140 --> 02:06:44,140
so based on your request, I want to make sure that I understand what you're asking for.
You would like for for a breakdown of what.

938
02:06:51,820 --> 02:06:51,820
currently, the members of the executive team within diu want their salary,
Information, salary,

939
02:06:59,980 --> 02:07:03,700
everything that we're spending that has that's coming from the city that's going to d I. I would like that information. Okay. I think that miss gribbs has a breakdown of her
Budget.

940
02:07:09,220 --> 02:07:09,220
that shows how much of that is spent on, you know,
Whether it's cleanup, whether it's security salaries and all that salaries.

941
02:07:16,740 --> 02:07:16,740
I'm pretty sure that that would be something we can work with her on. But I know that
Staff at this point,

942
02:07:21,060 --> 02:07:25,020
we don't have that in front of us. Okay. But we'll work to get that for you. Thank you so
Much. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Chairman ridley recognized for three minutes.

943
02:07:29,700 --> 02:07:29,700
thank you, mr. Mayor. I previously expressed that I'm concerned about adding any new
Expense to the budget.

944
02:07:36,300 --> 02:07:36,300
the staff has calculated a figure of between 4 and $500,000.

945
02:07:41,340 --> 02:07:41,340
that would be called upon to contribute to all kids on a,
An assessed value basis for city property.

946
02:07:51,180 --> 02:07:51,180
but that's not the end of the potential liability for the city,
Mr.

947
02:07:56,290 --> 02:07:56,290
spath. Isn't it likely that there is a risk if the city council changed the policy about
Not contributing to pidds,

948
02:08:07,050 --> 02:08:07,050
that new pidds would be formed for the purpose of encompassing city owned property such as
Our libraries,

949
02:08:16,650 --> 02:08:16,650
our rec centers, our parks and other facilities because they can expect to get additional
City contributions than they would

950
02:08:26,130 --> 02:08:29,130
otherwise get from the private property owners. Or alternatively, an expansion of the boundaries of existing pidds to incorporate
Additional city property.

951
02:08:36,690 --> 02:08:39,970
they would have an incentive to do that, wouldn't they? Yes,
Sir. I think that's a fair assumption. And so the number that you have provided us today is not
A ceiling.

952
02:08:49,610 --> 02:08:49,610
it's really a floor on what our potential liability would be,
Because we'd be creating an incentive to add more and more pidds to

953
02:08:59,200 --> 02:08:59,200
encompass city property. Thank you. Chairwoman stewart,
You recognized for three minutes.

954
02:09:07,720 --> 02:09:07,720
thank you, mayor johnson. So, jennifer, the service plan breaks down how the dollars are
Going to be spent like.

955
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:16,520
and so could you walk me through, do you know that off the top of your head,
Kind of what your categories and percentages are?

956
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:21,800
yes. So every year we submit that and 73% goes to clean and safe.

957
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:30,960
I believe it's 6% to eco dev 9 or 10% to o and a 7% to parks.

958
02:09:39,200 --> 02:09:39,200
and I may be missing a category in there. I can get you the exact breakdown if I don't
Have it.

959
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,560
I thought I did. One minute. That's I think that's enough. I do have it. I'm sorry. I just don't have my handouts organized.

960
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:56,320
the. Yeah. Oh, and aye and then parks. That's it.

961
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:01,320
those are all the categories. Communications and community partnerships.

962
02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:05,480
okay. And the city's assessment is divided. It's on a pro rata.

963
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:18,840
yeah. Yeah. So I mean, you know, 10% of it goes here. 73% of it goes to clean and safe. And we have a very robust membership program that's
Actually growing very quickly.

964
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:25,720
yeah, that is money that gives us a lot of freedom to fund things that are outside of the
Service plan and augment when things come up that are special.

965
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:35,800
we did a lot of state advocacy of late and that was very important in the last session
That is paid for by the membership

966
02:10:45,240 --> 02:10:48,030
program as well as a lot of our executive salaries. So we'll have to figure out, you know, how to do that ratio,
But that there is there is another pool.

967
02:10:54,270 --> 02:10:54,270
we have a d foundation that also augments the parks and recently gave a big contribution
To some things in downtown.

968
02:11:00,910 --> 02:11:00,910
so there's different buckets. But I think what you're talking about is the regular service
Plan.

969
02:11:06,030 --> 02:11:06,030
yes. And an understanding of if we're paying 10%,
If we're looking at the salaries, is it 10% of all

970
02:11:16,070 --> 02:11:16,070
of the salaries or as you said, were there other buckets that we're helping to pay for
Executive salaries,

971
02:11:21,950 --> 02:11:21,950
membership? Yes of course. So you would need I mean,
You can communicate it, however, but it just.

972
02:11:27,790 --> 02:11:27,790
that's right. The total dollar is x. But what the service plan covers is why.

973
02:11:33,550 --> 02:11:35,950
let's make sure it's 10% of why. That's right. Okay. Exactly. Just thank you for clarifying because that's what we were talking. Well,
That's just you have a more complicated pet. I'm just going to say a very complicated pet

974
02:11:43,350 --> 02:11:43,350
and, and things like state legislature popping up every other year means that things you
Have to have some flexibility.

975
02:11:51,110 --> 02:11:51,110
yes. And because our 501 c3 can't typically lobby.

976
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:55,510
that's right. So that is why that needs to come out of your membership fees and not your.

977
02:12:00,750 --> 02:12:00,750
exactly. Yeah. We had ran across that at least once in my tenure.

978
02:12:06,310 --> 02:12:06,310
okay. That's helpful. I just, I just want to make sure that we are looking at the,
The real situation and,

979
02:12:12,030 --> 02:12:14,750
and apples to apples clarified. Perfect. All right. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Mr. Bazaldua recognized for three minutes.

980
02:12:18,830 --> 02:12:18,830
thank you mayor. Can can can staff clarify on slides ten and 12 what is meant by above
Standard service delivery?

981
02:12:40,670 --> 02:12:44,460
yeah. So by above standard service delivery needs. We're referring to, you know, additional cleaning,
Additional pressure washing of streets downtown additional patrols

982
02:12:54,020 --> 02:12:54,020
downtown that are done by private security, private,
Private security team.

983
02:13:02,460 --> 02:13:02,460
okay. Can you explain how those above service is are not.

984
02:13:10,540 --> 02:13:12,820
provided by other pidds. It's my understanding. Klyde. Warren park also does this. Uptown, I know that we just started the far east dallas
Pit,

985
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:20,100
and a substantial portion of our budget was specifically for supplementing dpd hours to
Answer to quality of life calls.

986
02:13:29,500 --> 02:13:29,500
I mean, a lot of what is mentioned is actually expected from a public improvement
District.

987
02:13:35,180 --> 02:13:37,860
explain to me why there's any differentiation there. And klyde warren park doesn't get that same notoriety.

988
02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:41,100
yeah. So the focus is on what's unique to downtown.

989
02:13:45,740 --> 02:13:45,740
not necessarily that, you know additional security is a unique need to downtown.

990
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:52,020
that's not what the slides dates. It's it's above services that the city offers.

991
02:13:57,900 --> 02:13:57,900
so that would be the case for everywhere where a public improvement district is
Implemented.

992
02:14:02,140 --> 02:14:02,140
explain to me how d is going above and beyond the services provided from the city.

993
02:14:07,260 --> 02:14:07,260
and that differs from where the other public improvement districts are doing the same.

994
02:14:12,260 --> 02:14:12,260
yeah. So the unique conditions are listed on slide 12.

995
02:14:18,300 --> 02:14:18,300
and that refers to the fact that unlike other districts,
We don't have unlike other districts that don't have 9.7 million out of

996
02:14:28,180 --> 02:14:31,180
market visitors coming downtown every day, they don't have. Sure. But we're not talking about the other investments that we have.

997
02:14:34,300 --> 02:14:34,300
city manager, can you speak to the I can't even remember the campaign name for it,
But the efforts that we have for investing more in

998
02:14:44,170 --> 02:14:44,170
downtown with our dpd code, everyone involved.

999
02:14:50,530 --> 02:14:53,890
I think you're referring to the safe and city. Yes,
Ma'am. Yes. Yeah. Can you explain what, how that quantifies to dollar amount?

1000
02:14:58,370 --> 02:14:58,370
what did we invest over and beyond? What? What is the city's investment to implement that
Type of a program?

1001
02:15:06,370 --> 02:15:06,370
and this isn't the first or the only that we do downtown as well.

1002
02:15:11,090 --> 02:15:11,090
thank you for the question. And council member. Bazaldua. From my recollection,
The safe in the city,

1003
02:15:15,770 --> 02:15:15,770
there was some five private contributions that went into funding the campaign.

1004
02:15:20,970 --> 02:15:20,970
I do know that we've had an increase in the number of officers that we've assigned into
The downtown area,

1005
02:15:27,530 --> 02:15:27,530
I believe, and we also elevated our our bicycle patrol and some other enhancements from
The police department,

1006
02:15:37,250 --> 02:15:37,250
but I would have to give you what that exact increase has cost,
Like the city.

1007
02:15:42,530 --> 02:15:42,530
so over this last year and a half we have focused on the elevation.

1008
02:15:47,330 --> 02:15:47,330
we have not written any additional payments directly to ddi,
But it's been the ramp up that we've done with some of the security downtown.

1009
02:15:54,890 --> 02:15:54,890
sure. I didn't think it was going directly to d I,
I'm just curious because it's it's been framed as if this extra supplement that we give is

1010
02:16:03,290 --> 02:16:03,290
why we have more of these particular services.

1011
02:16:07,410 --> 02:16:07,410
when I think that that is misleading, I think that,
Yes, they have great data to support.

1012
02:16:14,290 --> 02:16:17,810
but does this mean that our homeless solutions has not been deployed downtown? We have not been cleaning up encampments. We have not been diligent down here in the same
Manner,

1013
02:16:25,170 --> 02:16:25,170
because that's the impression that's given off by saying that it wouldn't be had without
The million dollars we're giving this outside entity.

1014
02:16:32,890 --> 02:16:32,890
yes. Thank you for clarifying. And I'm sorry I had missed the first part of your question.

1015
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:37,000
we continue with the service delivery for downtown with our normal staffing,
Whether it's the outreach work,

1016
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:45,800
whether it's the work that we're doing through our strike teams,
They are doing all of the enforcement efforts downtown and work oftentimes kind of in

1017
02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:55,360
coordination with a d. But there is work that we continue to do in the downtown area,
Whether it's through police,

1018
02:17:01,400 --> 02:17:01,400
through our our homeless efforts and oftentimes in coordination with housing forward.

1019
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:07,040
so we're not removed, meaning we didn't relinquish our responsibility.

1020
02:17:12,440 --> 02:17:12,440
that's right. Okay. I think that that's, that's really important because it's been framed
As if we've thrown our hands up and we've we're,

1021
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:20,400
we're supplementing by $1 million and all of a sudden we're getting this brilliant work
And we're not putting in multiple millions of dollars ourselves and resources to provide

1022
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:29,200
the same. We are still delivering city services,
Across the central business district.

1023
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:36,040
and oftentimes what we are doing, which is a little bit different,
I think the coordination between ddi housing forward is better,

1024
02:17:43,960 --> 02:17:43,960
but we've not removed funding that we would normally just put into downtown for those
Services.

1025
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:51,800
we're still doing that as part of the general fund. Thank you. Did I answer your question? Yes you did.

1026
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:54,080
thank you so much, madam city manager. And to deputy mayor pro tem johnson's point,
I'd like to see if you could give us the executive salaries of all kids,

1027
02:18:03,880 --> 02:18:03,880
not just with ddi because I believe that that's also a comparison that's worth taking a
Look at.

1028
02:18:11,200 --> 02:18:11,200
the fact is, is there's a level of sustainability that this entity has entered into that
No other pyd has the luxury

1029
02:18:21,080 --> 02:18:21,080
of being in. And at that point, when do we wean off our direct support to this outside
Entity?

1030
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:29,920
when just to mr. Ridley's point. They are. They are supposed to be self-sustainable.

1031
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:35,030
and I would agree with your assessment, mr. Ridley,
That I think the best approach, which is why I originally brought up that there's not.

1032
02:18:41,510 --> 02:18:41,510
a third option is for this to go back to the general fund and allow for our city manager
To allocate the resources as necessary.

1033
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:48,790
but we can't say that that would be the most prudent thing for us to do in a in a tough
Fiscal year,

1034
02:18:55,510 --> 02:18:55,510
but continue to put $1 million into one entity when it's not even an option for others.

1035
02:19:00,870 --> 02:19:00,870
thank you. Your time. Chairman moreno, you're recognized for five minutes.

1036
02:19:06,550 --> 02:19:06,550
thank you. Mayor. I am going to be supporting option one.

1037
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:12,950
I think it's evident the work that dd has done in our downtown area.

1038
02:19:19,510 --> 02:19:19,510
jennifer, can you talk to us a little bit about the initiation of dd,
What it was doing when it was first launched,

1039
02:19:27,630 --> 02:19:27,630
what it's doing today. You guys have taken on the responsibility of I think we're up to
Seven downtown parks now.

1040
02:19:35,470 --> 02:19:35,470
so talk to us a little bit about how you started off and where you're at now and any new
Line items that you have had to pick up over time.

1041
02:19:45,350 --> 02:19:45,350
thank you. And I really appreciated the look at pier cities,
Because there was a movement in the early 90s,

1042
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:50,790
clearly statewide to start urban peds very much in partnership with their city partners.

1043
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:56,630
because I think trash collection is a perfect example given the foot traffic on our
Sidewalks,

1044
02:20:02,430 --> 02:20:02,430
the ability to empty trash cans like we do 3 or 4 times a day it requires an extra layer
Of service.

1045
02:20:10,310 --> 02:20:10,310
and then we've added tons of parks and green space.

1046
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:14,870
we manage 12 parks actually. And we are able to buy bespoke parts or add holiday decor or
Do all of the things.

1047
02:20:23,350 --> 02:20:23,350
we've just added a lot of cameras. And to the point about the safe in the city
Partnership,

1048
02:20:28,340 --> 02:20:28,340
we were able to raise $2 million in partnership to augment the city.

1049
02:20:32,820 --> 02:20:32,820
but things like 24 hour security in parks, there's no way the park department can do that
In downtown,

1050
02:20:39,620 --> 02:20:39,620
nor should they, because other parks across the city need those park ranger hours.

1051
02:20:44,220 --> 02:20:44,220
right? So we have added that at our expense,
Through that effort, we have added all sorts of economic development efforts to

1052
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:53,980
continue to enhance the urban core that we feel like we can be very responsive in
Partnership with our ratepayers.

1053
02:20:59,500 --> 02:20:59,500
but it does rest on a foundation of city support because you're the largest property owner
In the city or in the pit.

1054
02:21:05,980 --> 02:21:09,180
thank you. And stability does fall on the city. And I see you guys as an enhancement going above and beyond.

1055
02:21:13,820 --> 02:21:13,820
if we don't fund you, then the city has to take on that responsibility.

1056
02:21:18,660 --> 02:21:18,660
and I want to go back to the overall million dollars.

1057
02:21:23,940 --> 02:21:27,530
and if we can get those exact numbers of how much is coming from the convention center. I don't need them today, but if we can have them for us in the future,
I absolutely think it's the wrong time to change anything.

1058
02:21:35,970 --> 02:21:35,970
at this point, if we look down a few years from now and want to make changes,
I think that's fine.

1059
02:21:41,330 --> 02:21:41,330
but city manager, as you look at finalizing your recommended recommendation budget,
D, have you finalized your budget?

1060
02:21:50,250 --> 02:21:50,250
when when does the budget get approved by your board?

1061
02:21:55,850 --> 02:21:55,850
jennifer, when your budget gets approved, our,
Our budget, we've already looked at, we just got the tax rolls.

1062
02:22:03,410 --> 02:22:03,410
so we're working on that and we'll submit the service plan. And it comes to you guys in
August or september. We've already we've already submitted next year based on based on the

1063
02:22:12,810 --> 02:22:12,810
future tax rolls. Mr. Mayor, can I just jump in just a second?

1064
02:22:17,610 --> 02:22:17,610
so I wanted to remind the city council that on your agenda for august the 12th,
The lipids and the renewals are actually on your agenda to vote on.

1065
02:22:27,690 --> 02:22:31,090
so I just wanted to make sure that you know that that's coming up next wednesday. So all of the kids that we currently have across the city will be on for next week.

1066
02:22:36,170 --> 02:22:36,170
okay. And just to be clear, those are those items only call the public hearings that will
Be held on august 25th.

1067
02:22:43,090 --> 02:22:43,090
so on august 25th, every kid will have their service plan up for approval.

1068
02:22:48,530 --> 02:22:48,530
okay. And so this is one of the first times that I'm seeing this item as a stipend.

1069
02:22:54,210 --> 02:22:54,210
when did that change versus a, what's the word that I that I used to use?

1070
02:23:02,170 --> 02:23:02,170
just, I guess our, our portion of the city. Why did that change the language?

1071
02:23:08,170 --> 02:23:08,170
I don't think it's changed. I think there was a miscommunication in a prior briefing,
But it's,

1072
02:23:16,530 --> 02:23:16,530
it's always been a partnership. Okay. All right.

1073
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:21,920
jennifer, did you have any other comments? I think the,
The other big one is that I was emailing

1074
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:31,680
councilman ridley last night. I am so optimistic about downtown.

1075
02:23:35,800 --> 02:23:35,800
I know we've had a challenging first quarter,
Maybe with some headlines, but I am more optimistic than ever given the dallas college

1076
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:43,080
announcement, the visible progress at the kay bailey hutchison convention center.

1077
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:48,960
all of the two year progress we have made in partnership on homelessness and safety,
Both nonviolent and violent crime.

1078
02:23:56,560 --> 02:23:56,560
and this is a true partnership. So I am grateful for the steadfast support of our work
Together.

1079
02:24:02,720 --> 02:24:02,720
and I think it does recognize the city's amazing assets built up over so many years in
Downtown.

1080
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:09,120
so just thank you. If y'all have any questions,
We'll follow up on those open items.

1081
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:16,560
and we're always available hyper hyper responsive. Right. And I hope our colleagues remember that downtown is not its.

1082
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:24,880
although it overlaps in districts two and 14. Downtown is home for the entire city. For visitors,
It's a place that people from all walks of life come to us.

1083
02:24:33,800 --> 02:24:33,800
and madam city manager, I do want to look at one thing,
And I think some of my colleagues are trying to express this is when we look at

1084
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:39,680
neighborhoods that are trying to establish npos and neighborhood patrol officers.

1085
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:45,960
sometimes it is difficult for certain communities to come up with those resources and
Dollars.

1086
02:24:50,200 --> 02:24:50,200
I want to make sure that we are looking at what we can do and should be doing to helping
Communities that might not have the same opportunities as

1087
02:25:00,080 --> 02:25:00,080
downtown. As we move forward in making sure that we are giving all neighborhoods an
Opportunity to participate.

1088
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:12,800
mr. Mayor, if I could just thank you so much for the comments. Council member. Moreno. And we do receive that.

1089
02:25:15,400 --> 02:25:15,400
what I can tell you is that one of the things that we heard loud and clear as we went in
Deeper in our development of the budget.

1090
02:25:22,710 --> 02:25:26,470
that the officers at the neighborhood level,
That it's essential. And so what you will see in the proposed budget that you'll have have here very soon.

1091
02:25:31,190 --> 02:25:31,190
we have maintained and looked very hard at how we continue those community services around
Policing.

1092
02:25:38,750 --> 02:25:38,750
and so right now, we have seven mpos assigned.

1093
02:25:42,990 --> 02:25:42,990
no, it's ten to the different seven districts across the police department,
And none of those have been reduced in the budget.

1094
02:25:50,190 --> 02:25:50,190
I think you're referring to an additional layer that we could do that's more neighbor
Driven and definitely want to make sure that that is not out of reach for those

1095
02:25:59,910 --> 02:26:02,070
communities that might not be able to afford it. So we will work with the police chief and making sure that we're addressing a lot of the
Concerns that we heard from the council,

1096
02:26:08,990 --> 02:26:08,990
as well as the specific concerns from district four this morning about the inability
Sometimes to be able to afford it.

1097
02:26:15,510 --> 02:26:15,510
but thank you for your comment. Thank you. And I misspoke. I was referring that to the end
Piece. Thank you.

1098
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:25,470
deputy mayor pro tem. Recognized for one minute. Thank you. Mr.. I'm sorry I didn't see you there. I'm sorry. Three minutes each for chairwoman.

1099
02:26:35,430 --> 02:26:38,430
no. Mendelsohn and west. And then we'll come back to you. Deputy mayor pro tem for one minute. So I'm going to go to chairman west for three
Minutes.

1100
02:26:43,310 --> 02:26:43,310
five. Three. Five. Three. Five. I think it's I think it's five,
Mayor but it's five.

1101
02:26:48,670 --> 02:26:48,670
we'll give you five no questions. Just a comment.

1102
02:26:52,830 --> 02:26:55,070
I appreciate all my colleagues weighing in on this. I think very important matter. I didn't get everybody's name,
But I believe the comments by mr.

1103
02:27:03,710 --> 02:27:03,710
roth moreno really, really reflect mine. You know,
Dei stewardship of downtown is obviously working.

1104
02:27:10,990 --> 02:27:10,990
we've, we've seen it in play very visibly during the world cup.

1105
02:27:16,500 --> 02:27:16,500
and we've seen positive movements, obviously,
In the homelessness efforts and and just beautifying downtown.

1106
02:27:25,020 --> 02:27:25,020
so I believe downtown is at a turning point. At this point,
We need to be investing in it.

1107
02:27:31,020 --> 02:27:31,020
not making policy changes that could disrupt the progress of downtown.

1108
02:27:35,460 --> 02:27:35,460
so I support sticking with what's working for that.

1109
02:27:40,140 --> 02:27:40,140
and then in terms of modifying the policy for other kids I'm open to that discussion,
But I don't feel that

1110
02:27:50,020 --> 02:27:50,020
doing it right now, just days away from the budget is appropriate.

1111
02:27:54,540 --> 02:27:57,380
we have so many other challenges with the budget. We don't need to be disrupting it in this manner.

1112
02:28:00,100 --> 02:28:00,100
so that's where I'm at. Thank you. Chairwoman mendelsohn you recognized for three minutes.

1113
02:28:07,100 --> 02:28:07,100
thank you mayor. You know, councilmember moreno brought up an interesting point,
And I'd like to ask the question for the data,

1114
02:28:15,500 --> 02:28:15,500
which is about the use of downtown, meaning downtown,
I believe, is our only area of the city that has a very different

1115
02:28:25,340 --> 02:28:28,940
daytime population than night time population. And I'm wondering if anyone in echo or perhaps jennifer,
You have what those figures are about.

1116
02:28:35,580 --> 02:28:35,580
how many people are in our cbd in the daytime versus the night time?

1117
02:28:43,940 --> 02:28:43,940
I don't have the nighttime daytime population is 135,000.

1118
02:28:51,500 --> 02:28:51,500
and we widely heard that there's about 15,000 residents downtown.

1119
02:28:56,500 --> 02:28:56,500
is that correct? We're actually over 16,000 and we have,
I believe, 9000 hotel rooms.

1120
02:29:03,100 --> 02:29:03,100
but I could be a little off on that. So we have a,
You know, I don't know what the ratio per person per room is,

1121
02:29:10,370 --> 02:29:14,170
but there's some combination of that. We could. We could dig in on the the night time. Okay. I think the idea,
Though, is that if we have 135 000 people as a

1122
02:29:23,930 --> 02:29:23,930
daytime population, when the resources for that area are really considered more by the
Nighttime population,

1123
02:29:33,330 --> 02:29:33,330
there's a reason for the downtown ped that is extraordinary compared to the other areas of
The city.

1124
02:29:41,290 --> 02:29:41,290
and I do think a lot of areas are looking at peds to address unique needs.

1125
02:29:46,690 --> 02:29:46,690
and, you know, that's, that's, I believe, a whole different kind of conversation.

1126
02:29:54,050 --> 02:29:54,050
but the city shouldn't be funding things that are like flowers and a median now public
Safety issues.

1127
02:30:02,890 --> 02:30:02,890
yes. And I think that ddi has been going after the things that matter most.

1128
02:30:11,130 --> 02:30:11,130
is it true you have a log of how many times you're picking up fishes?

1129
02:30:17,370 --> 02:30:17,370
oh yes, and how many doggie bags we distribute in all of the parks to encourage people to
Do it themselves.

1130
02:30:23,410 --> 02:30:23,410
so yes. And well, so these are things that make our downtown vibrant.

1131
02:30:31,610 --> 02:30:31,610
and if we're going to have a successful downtown,
Which I think we already do, and I think the future is very bright for it,

1132
02:30:39,810 --> 02:30:39,810
we have to make sure that there's a high quality of life for the people who actually live
Downtown,

1133
02:30:44,410 --> 02:30:44,410
but also for the people who work downtown. So that's why I'm like not interested in taking
Away that $1 million today.

1134
02:30:52,810 --> 02:30:52,810
but you do have the capacity to raise these funds from property owners who have a very
Vested interest in the success.

1135
02:31:01,530 --> 02:31:01,530
and so at the point that downtown is a little more stable,
I think that we should be talking about that.

1136
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:07,920
but again, we'll just say I think it's completely inappropriate for government to
Voluntarily tax itself on its own buildings.

1137
02:31:16,920 --> 02:31:20,800
and then give up control over what those funds will be spent on. So thanks for the info. Not interested in pursuing any changes.

1138
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:25,520
thank you. Deputy mayor pro tem, we recognize for one minute.

1139
02:31:31,360 --> 02:31:35,360
thank you, mr. Mayor. I have two questions. One question and a few statements. What is the market rate for the executive pay for this type of work?

1140
02:31:45,080 --> 02:31:45,080
well, I think as you all have rightly pointed out,
All kids are unique.

1141
02:31:49,640 --> 02:31:49,640
d I right before I was hired, I believe in 2020 or 2021,
Did a market pay study of like peers.

1142
02:31:57,920 --> 02:31:57,920
so I feel like I was hired on market. And so that was studied.

1143
02:32:06,280 --> 02:32:06,280
and we want to be at at the median or above based on merit or tenure.

1144
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:11,760
so that our, our salaries have been scrutinized,
Our board and the ratepayers like yourselves have,

1145
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:19,600
have asked that. Thank you. 50s thank you mr.

1146
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:28,480
ridley. Ridley for his comment. Adam bazaldua councilman. Bazaldua. I believe when we're looking at $1 million it needs to be spent equitably,
Equitably.

1147
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:38,240
and I'm saying this because it's coming out of the general bond. And so when I'm looking at the 990 d I you guys does great,
Do great work.

1148
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:46,400
so I'm not, I'm not looking at the work. You do great work and I appreciate it. And I agree with council member jesse moreno,
But I'm looking at here, one executive makes over $451,000

1149
02:32:57,240 --> 02:32:57,240
based off the 990. Then I compared that just just do some comparison to the mayor of new
York.

1150
02:33:04,070 --> 02:33:04,070
he's 250 000. I'm just comparing the numbers as the chair of government efficiency,
And we're in a budget deficit,

1151
02:33:12,110 --> 02:33:15,190
and it's coming. Money coming out of the general fund,
The general fund. I'm going to ask these questions, and I'm expecting to get answers,
Since we're having to approve a budget and it's coming out of the budget.

1152
02:33:23,550 --> 02:33:23,550
so to see that over 451,000, just one executive more than the mayor of new york,
And we're in a deficit budget that is concerning to me.

1153
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:36,910
so, city manager, I would like to talk to you more about this offline. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Anyone else? Chairman mendelsohn,
You recognized for one minute.

1154
02:33:47,790 --> 02:33:47,790
sorry, mayor. I just hadn't lowered the icon.

1155
02:33:52,150 --> 02:33:54,350
okay, so you don't you don't actually have anything. Okay? Mr. Bazaldua, you're recognized for one minute.

1156
02:33:58,350 --> 02:33:58,350
thank you, mr. Mayor. I would just concur with deputy mayor pro tem.

1157
02:34:03,260 --> 02:34:03,260
if you look at the 990 for downtown dallas inc.,
It looks like the top executives of the organization totals about $1.5 million.

1158
02:34:11,620 --> 02:34:11,620
and that was from last year. So I don't know what increases have occurred. That is,
In a $13 million budget,

1159
02:34:17,300 --> 02:34:20,500
11.5% of your operating budget for the top six. We've talked about all the great work that's happening on the street. That doesn't even
Include any of those workers that we see out there working.

1160
02:34:27,180 --> 02:34:30,020
that's just the top six people of this organization. It's my understanding, especially in a tough budget year,
That if we're going to be given a stipend for $1 million,

1161
02:34:36,780 --> 02:34:36,780
and that's not even covering the top six executives,
That's a level of self-sustainability that I would expect an entity to be able to operate

1162
02:34:45,300 --> 02:34:45,300
on their own from, to still come back with your hands open to the city to help operate
What I believe to be a luxury.

1163
02:34:53,180 --> 02:34:53,180
and that's why I've asked, because I would love to compare the executive salaries of these
Others.

1164
02:34:58,420 --> 02:35:01,980
all pidds are different. Absolutely 100% correct. But this is an infrastructure that has been built and supported by the city and is now
Self-sustaining.

1165
02:35:08,540 --> 02:35:08,540
and so if the if the result isn't for us to take that money and to try to help others get
To that place,

1166
02:35:15,860 --> 02:35:15,860
that's why I ask that we should look at a third option for this money to not go there
Anymore,

1167
02:35:20,340 --> 02:35:20,340
period. But when we are being asked to cut services,
To tighten our belts, to look at salaries et-cetera here within our organization,

1168
02:35:29,940 --> 02:35:29,940
but yet we're funding another organization that we're not asking the same from.

1169
02:35:34,100 --> 02:35:37,980
I think that that is absolutely a slap in the face to the taxpayers. And this may be just $1 million that we're talking about,
But it's going to be looking at every one of these stones being overturned,

1170
02:35:45,380 --> 02:35:45,380
as you've mentioned. Madam city manager, and this $1 million is something that we could be
Utilizing to other programs or resources.

1171
02:35:54,660 --> 02:35:54,660
and it's just not the case here. And so this is absolutely a discussion worth having.

1172
02:35:58,890 --> 02:35:58,890
and it's not as black and white as is dee dee doing a good job or not?

1173
02:36:03,050 --> 02:36:05,970
that's not what the argument is. Thank you for your time. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Can I just add to just to clarification,
So the salaries you cited for dee dee,

1174
02:36:12,610 --> 02:36:12,610
they're not just paid for with assessments, as jennifer mentioned,
Just a portion of those salaries are paid for with assessments.

1175
02:36:19,730 --> 02:36:19,730
and the rest of the salaries are paid through private funds that dee dee has raised.

1176
02:36:25,650 --> 02:36:25,650
I didn't ask for a response. And since she did,
I don't want that to be the final on what my time was.

1177
02:36:30,850 --> 02:36:30,850
it has to be. But I mean that. Okay. So can I just I'd like to just close this out.

1178
02:36:37,490 --> 02:36:37,490
I normally don't tell staff they can't respond,
But, you know, I mean, well, usually we ask for a response.

1179
02:36:42,090 --> 02:36:42,090
yeah, I know but and they used our you know,
You're out of time.

1180
02:36:47,090 --> 02:36:47,090
and normally we don't tell staff they they aren't allowed to speak if they have something
They want to say.

1181
02:36:51,570 --> 02:36:51,570
so if the city manager wants to give you more information.

1182
02:36:55,770 --> 02:36:55,770
she can. But yeah, you're out of time. I mean,
You're out you're out of all the rounds for this item,

1183
02:37:01,290 --> 02:37:03,930
actually. Yeah. And I didn't ask for a response either. Mr. Mayor, I just would like to say that we've heard the council and what I think we would
Like to be able to do as it relates to all the pits,

1184
02:37:11,890 --> 02:37:11,890
because we know that next week there will be an agenda item for you to call the public
Hearing for the pits that we currently have to be renewed.

1185
02:37:18,210 --> 02:37:18,210
we will provide you with the executive salaries that we have through the current,
I don't know if the form nine 90s have been updated

1186
02:37:28,210 --> 02:37:28,210
for 2026, but whatever the recent ones that we have,
We will provide those executive salaries for each of those pits that are going to be

1187
02:37:35,530 --> 02:37:38,570
coming before you next wednesday to call the public hearings. We'll get that out into a memo for the council this friday.

1188
02:37:41,650 --> 02:37:41,650
so I just wanted to make sure that I acknowledged the concerns and the questions about the
Salaries.

1189
02:37:46,930 --> 02:37:46,930
thank you. Thank you. Chairman moreno, you're recognized for three minutes.

1190
02:37:51,290 --> 02:37:51,290
thank you mayor. I just wanted to give maria an opportunity to finish up her response.

1191
02:37:57,040 --> 02:37:57,040
yeah, just the last note is related to option three,
Which is to potentially just get rid of of any city payment.

1192
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:07,120
that probably would also have consequences for the,
The city's operating and maintenance agreement with the parks department,

1193
02:38:15,360 --> 02:38:15,360
which currently is a no cost consideration agreement.

1194
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:20,240
thank you. Mayor jerome stewart, you're recognized for one minute.

1195
02:38:27,440 --> 02:38:31,080
thank you, mayor johnson. Can you elaborate on that? On the no. The what you were just talking about with respect to the park department?

1196
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:35,440
yeah. Jennifer, feel free to jump in because you're the subject matter expert on that
Contract.

1197
02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:41,080
but I think earlier this year, the, the parks department and ddi entered into a new ten
Year

1198
02:38:50,960 --> 02:38:50,960
agreement to oversee to provide services in downtown parks.

1199
02:38:56,680 --> 02:39:00,040
and right now that is at no cost to the city. And that work is all done by dd, I. I think it is worth noting that we return,
I believe,

1200
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:08,040
about $1.4 million of services just in the parks and provide tremendous 24 hour security,
Which is critical given our urban environment

1201
02:39:18,520 --> 02:39:18,520
as well as all of the activations, programing,
Permitting and management.

1202
02:39:23,360 --> 02:39:23,360
we've done substantial upgrades this year in preparation for fifa,
But because it was time and that will be ongoing.

1203
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:30,640
parks are living, breathing things. So unfortunately,
You know, it's $0 from the park department,

1204
02:39:36,480 --> 02:39:40,480
but the city's contribution and the parks are not assessed property. Right. Is very much a big piece of our work. It is increasing measurably as we go out for
Renewal.

1205
02:39:50,190 --> 02:39:50,190
we're trying to really true up the massive obligation and opportunity we have with parks.

1206
02:39:56,830 --> 02:39:56,830
so I think that, excuse me, the angst and the worry seems to be over the salaries,
Not the actual work that they're doing to maintain parks and and the

1207
02:40:06,830 --> 02:40:06,830
other, the other topics. So I would encourage us to look at a way to refine our agreement.

1208
02:40:15,230 --> 02:40:15,230
and perhaps city dollars are not used towards salaries,
But used towards the, the safe and clean because that's,

1209
02:40:24,910 --> 02:40:24,910
that's the most important work and I'm sorry,
Safe and clean parks programing maybe.

1210
02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:30,830
yeah. Because they've been cleaning parks and security and no,
Not thanks-giving square.

1211
02:40:39,510 --> 02:40:39,510
we can look at that and then we can also break out the portion of our salaries that our
Membership program pays.

1212
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:45,030
because I think y'all are looking at combined numbers,
Which is different buckets of money.

1213
02:40:49,550 --> 02:40:53,390
so we'll clean that up and. Right. I think once we have more information,
It will be helpful. But I think going forward. That's where the concern is.

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thank you. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I want to make sure I'm not missing anyone remote.

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okay, then. I don't see anyone else in the queue. So what we will do then is we will go
Into executive session and and reconvene here in about an hour.

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so let me find this statutory language and read it to you.

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it is 12:11 p.m. On august 5th, 2026. The city council meeting will now go into closed
Session under section 551.071.

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the texas open meetings act on the following matter described in today's agenda,
Item number four and under section 551.072,

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02:41:31,550 --> 02:41:31,550
the texas open meetings act on the following matter described in today's agenda item
Number five and under sections five,

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02:41:37,310 --> 02:41:37,310
51.071 and 551.07. Two of the texas open meetings act on the following.

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02:41:42,590 --> 02:41:42,590
describe today's agenda item number six and under section 551.074 of the texas open
Meetings act on the following matter described in today's agenda item number seven.

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so with that, we'll stay at recess until mayor mayor to 1 p.m..

1223
02:41:56,580 --> 02:41:56,580
yes, mayor, may I ask that the. May I ask that the link for executive session be emailed
To me and.

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02:42:01,740 --> 02:42:01,740
council member? Of course, of course, of course,
Of course. Thank you. So we're we're going to be at recess until 1 p.m..

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02:42:13,940 --> 02:42:13,940
okay. The city council meeting has completed its closed session under sections 551.0715,
51.072 and 551.074 of the texas open meetings act and at

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02:35 p.m. On august 5th, 2026, we've returned to open session and madam city manager,
I'm going to turn it back over to you for our remaining briefings.

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thank you so much, mr. Mayor. We're ready to present your final briefing for today.

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just as a reminder, item b is the proposed november 2026 bond election.

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02:42:41,900 --> 02:42:41,900
and today we are here to follow up on the authorization that the city council gave on june
The 24th.

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you asked staff to bring forward the actions necessary to call on november 2026.

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02:42:53,500 --> 02:42:53,500
bond election focused on some critical priorities public safety,
General obligation bonds and pension obligation bonds for the dallas police and fire

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02:43:02,340 --> 02:43:02,340
pension system. Today, we're here to provide you with an update as requested.

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02:43:07,460 --> 02:43:07,460
we will cover three main areas. First, the recommended approach for the 500 million in
Pension obligation bonds.

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02:43:15,820 --> 02:43:15,820
we will cover that today as a tool to accelerate funding for the city approved police and
Fire pension plan.

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02:43:24,140 --> 02:43:24,140
we know that there's still quite discussions around that,
And we were going to talk with you today about how that could potentially reduce the

1236
02:43:31,420 --> 02:43:31,420
city's long term cost and provide relief to the general fund.

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02:43:36,500 --> 02:43:36,500
secondly, we will talk about the proposed 460 million in the public safety capital
Package.

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this does include the remaining funding needed to complete the law enforcement training
Center at unt dallas.

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02:43:51,290 --> 02:43:51,290
also, the public safety training complex that we've discussed with the city council,
A more modernized emergency operations center,

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02:43:58,770 --> 02:43:58,770
and. 911. We also talked about the consolidation of the the the current city's property
Room,

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02:44:06,610 --> 02:44:06,610
the crime lab facilities, replacement of fire station number four.

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02:44:11,610 --> 02:44:11,610
and today you also will hear about another critical facility,
Which is our current fleet maintenance center.

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02:44:19,490 --> 02:44:19,490
third, we will discuss how we would deliver the the remaining 20 2024 bond program to
Ensure that we're able to

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02:44:29,290 --> 02:44:29,290
absorb this new public safety package. With 95.5% of the 2024 projects funded within the
Original

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02:44:39,290 --> 02:44:39,290
five year window. And I just want to repeat that as part of our discussion today,
We will be talking about how the 2024 bond projects,

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02:44:47,690 --> 02:44:47,690
95.5% of those projects, would still be on schedule to be completed within the original
Five year window.

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02:44:57,090 --> 02:44:57,090
at the conclusion of today's presentation, we will provide you with the proposed ballot
Propositions.

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02:45:02,890 --> 02:45:02,890
that would be, if council approves on the november 3rd,
2026 ballot.

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02:45:08,210 --> 02:45:08,210
and we do have a august 12th item that is currently planned for the city council to
Officially call the election.

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02:45:17,170 --> 02:45:17,170
jack ireland, our chief financial officer, will lead the pension obligation bond
Discussion,

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02:45:21,770 --> 02:45:24,930
and then we'll move over to dave rastogi, assistant city manager. She will walk through the public safety capital projects and the overall 2026 bond project
Sequencing.

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02:45:32,130 --> 02:45:32,130
and then jenny niswander, our director of the office of bond and construction management,
Will discuss in detail the 2024 bond program,

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02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:44,840
the adjustments, and how we would propose to move forward. With that. I'll now turn it over to jack to begin this afternoon's presentation.

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02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:48,960
thank you. Thank you, miss tolbert. As mentioned,
I'm jack ireland, I'm chief financial officer for the city,

1255
02:45:55,720 --> 02:45:59,560
and I'm going to move us straight to page three. As mentioned, we are here today following up to city council direction from in june in
June on the 10th,

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02:46:08,760 --> 02:46:08,760
we briefed the city council about a potential bond program.

1257
02:46:13,080 --> 02:46:13,080
and then on june 24th, the city council took action authorizing us to come back before you
Today with additional information before a potential call

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02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:23,000
of an election next week on slide three, just as miss tolbert mentioned,
I'll provide the update of pension obligation bonds.

1259
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:31,240
dev and jenny will also provide an update of the 2026 proposed general obligation bonds as
Well as the 2024 going

1260
02:46:40,670 --> 02:46:40,670
forward approach. And then we'll close with a discussion of the three propositions that we
Want to you to consider next week on page five.

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02:46:50,510 --> 02:46:50,510
looking at pension obligation bonds. Staff does recommend future issuance of pension
Obligation bonds for the dallas police and fire pension system,

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02:47:00,470 --> 02:47:00,470
which we did brief to the ad hoc committee on pension and finance committee during a joint
Meeting on may the 21st.

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02:47:07,990 --> 02:47:11,990
and then separately briefed to the full city council on june the 10th. That is not our first conversation about pension obligation bonds.

1264
02:47:15,550 --> 02:47:15,550
we have been talking about the pension obligation bonds for the dallas police and fire
Pension system since at least 2023.

1265
02:47:22,790 --> 02:47:22,790
the mayor appointed a study group that looked at the dallas police and fire pension system
To identify potential ways to set that fund on a

1266
02:47:32,670 --> 02:47:32,670
more sound financial path. And one of their recommendations was cash infusion,
Such as through a pension obligation bond.

1267
02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:41,190
and as a result of that, since august 1623, I have maintained pension obligation bonds in
Our debt service capacity.

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02:47:49,750 --> 02:47:49,750
setting aside some funds that could be used for pension obligation bonds if the city
Council did choose to do so.

1269
02:47:57,070 --> 02:47:57,070
just as a reminder, pension obligation bonds are taxable bonds that some state and local
Governments have issued as part of an overall strategy to fund a portion of their

1270
02:48:06,750 --> 02:48:06,750
unfunded pension liability by creating debt. Just as a reminder,
We have done this before in dallas,

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02:48:13,230 --> 02:48:13,230
we issued pension obligation bonds for the employee retirement fund back in 2005,
When that system needed an infusion of funds,

1272
02:48:22,830 --> 02:48:22,830
and several changes were made back in 2005, along with the pension obligation bonds.

1273
02:48:27,990 --> 02:48:27,990
and so we do have a history of using those bonds at this point in time,
We're proposing use for the dallas police and fire pension system.

1274
02:48:37,660 --> 02:48:37,660
so just as a reminder, we do have a joint agreement between the city council and the
Dallas police and fire pension system board on december 10th and 11th and

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02:48:47,220 --> 02:48:47,220
2025. You each approved a joint funding plan.

1276
02:48:51,700 --> 02:48:51,700
that funding plan does fulfill the texas pension review board requirements to be fully
Funded within 30 years.

1277
02:48:59,660 --> 02:48:59,660
but I do want to point out that that does come with increasing contributions over time.

1278
02:49:04,860 --> 02:49:04,860
and so as part of the strategy, we can consider issuing pension obligation bonds,
Which would accelerate our funding and decrease,

1279
02:49:12,820 --> 02:49:12,820
potentially decrease the city's overall cost of our contributions over this long term
Period.

1280
02:49:20,060 --> 02:49:20,060
but the use of pension obligation bonds can decrease the city's cost.

1281
02:49:24,460 --> 02:49:24,460
but it does rest in the assumption that the bond proceeds when invested with pension
Assets,

1282
02:49:30,100 --> 02:49:30,100
will achieve asset returns that are greater than the interest owed over the term of the
Bonds.

1283
02:49:36,900 --> 02:49:36,900
moving to the next slide. Again, we do recommend seeking voter authorization for up to
$500 million this november,

1284
02:49:45,460 --> 02:49:48,940
but getting voter authorization is just the first step. We still would have to come back before this body before we could actually authorize the
Debt.

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02:49:55,820 --> 02:49:55,820
we would recommend, as we always do, to go before the finance committee.

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02:50:00,340 --> 02:50:03,140
I did indicate notifying the finance committee. Sometimes we've held actual briefings, sometimes we've done briefing by memo,
But we do go to the finance committee before coming to the city council for authorization,

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02:50:12,700 --> 02:50:12,700
prior to issuing any of our debt. That would be a requirement for the pension obligation
Bonds as well.

1288
02:50:18,980 --> 02:50:18,980
we may want to consider issuing the debt in multiple tranches of at least $125 million,
Rather than just issuing $500

1289
02:50:28,890 --> 02:50:28,890
million all at one time. It does spread that over several years and mitigates potential
Risk.

1290
02:50:36,290 --> 02:50:36,290
we also would want to recommend to the council that we have a spread of at least at least
Two percentage points,

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02:50:46,050 --> 02:50:46,050
or 200 basis points, between the projected cost of borrowing and the assumed rate of
Return.

1292
02:50:54,610 --> 02:50:54,610
the current assumed rate of return by the actuaries for the dallas police and fire pension
System is 6.5%.

1293
02:51:01,770 --> 02:51:01,770
therefore, 200 basis points below that would be a borrowing cost of 4.5%.

1294
02:51:08,610 --> 02:51:08,610
and even before issuing the bonds, we would have our actuaries conduct additional analysis
At that time to model the likelihood that investment returns will exceed

1295
02:51:18,610 --> 02:51:18,610
the borrowing cost, test performance under multiple stress scenarios,
And evaluate any impact on our long term debt capacity.

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02:51:26,930 --> 02:51:26,930
the main point that I want to make is getting authorization again,
Is the first step.

1297
02:51:32,330 --> 02:51:32,330
and then subsequently we would do work before we would actually pull the trigger,
So to speak,

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02:51:38,050 --> 02:51:38,050
and issue the funds. And council would have an opportunity to authorize that before we
Did.

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02:51:44,530 --> 02:51:44,530
in the scenario that I am recommending the pension obligation bonds being issued at 4.5%,
With a rate of return of 6.5% each year,

1300
02:51:54,370 --> 02:51:54,370
the city would be able to reduce our general fund expense by $1.3 billion over the long
Term,

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02:52:01,770 --> 02:52:01,770
and have an overall net savings of $341 million.

1302
02:52:06,330 --> 02:52:06,330
that is a savings in the general fund, net of the cost in the debt service fund.

1303
02:52:11,610 --> 02:52:11,610
to pay the debt would yield the $341 million of savings.

1304
02:52:16,850 --> 02:52:16,850
the actual financial impact of issuing pob can only be determined after the bonds mature,
As it's highly dependent on the actual asset returns and the cost of

1305
02:52:26,800 --> 02:52:26,800
borrowing. On slide seven, deloitte, our actuary,
Provided some tables here to show the potential impact on the left hand side,

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02:52:36,800 --> 02:52:36,800
three columns showing what our annual contributions are projected to be totaling $11.9
Billion through fiscal year

1307
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:46,080
2054. The next column would be the change in the city contribution through issuing the
Pension obligation bonds.

1308
02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:54,120
it's projected that if we had 6.5% return, that we would be able to reduce our general
Fund contributions by $1.3

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02:53:03,960 --> 02:53:03,960
billion over the term, the debt cost being $942 million over the term,
A net savings of $341

1310
02:53:13,100 --> 02:53:13,100
million, or 2.9% savings. Same information is on the next page on page eight,
But in a graphic format.

1311
02:53:21,960 --> 02:53:21,960
this shows the blue line on the chart at the top going up.

1312
02:53:27,960 --> 02:53:27,960
and that is the cost of the debt cost. As we issue the debt,
We would have to pay the debt service,

1313
02:53:34,120 --> 02:53:34,120
but the purple line on the bottom would be our general fund contribution going down.

1314
02:53:38,600 --> 02:53:38,600
the difference are the bars in the middle, the savings that we would have each year over
The term totaling $341 million.

1315
02:53:47,440 --> 02:53:47,440
so the opportunity as a tool for us to mitigate the cost increases in the general fund are
Possible through pension obligation bonds.

1316
02:53:57,400 --> 02:53:57,400
and we would ask you to consider that for your november 26th referendum.

1317
02:54:03,720 --> 02:54:03,720
and with that, I'll turn it to deb, who's going to walk through the 2026 general
Obligation bond program with the public safety focus.

1318
02:54:12,280 --> 02:54:12,280
thank you jack. Good afternoon. Mayor, council members.

1319
02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:16,360
as jack mentioned, I am going to talk about the projects,
The six projects that are part of what we're proposing for the 2026 general obligation

1320
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:25,910
bond program. These six projects represent urgent capital needs that were identified by
Dpd and dallas fire rescue.

1321
02:54:35,630 --> 02:54:35,630
they address training capacity, emergency operations,
Resiliency evidence handling, fire response,

1322
02:54:41,870 --> 02:54:41,870
and critical maintenance. Next slide. So this slide identifies the six projects that the
City manager tolbert

1323
02:54:51,710 --> 02:54:51,710
addressed in her opening remarks. The law enforcement training center at unt dallas,
The dallas police department public safety training complex.

1324
02:55:00,630 --> 02:55:00,630
both of these projects will enhance our public safety workforce.

1325
02:55:05,150 --> 02:55:05,150
the next two projects, the emergency operations center and 911,
Which I know you were briefed on earlier today.

1326
02:55:12,110 --> 02:55:12,110
and the fire station replacement fall under that emergency response infrastructure.

1327
02:55:17,790 --> 02:55:17,790
and the last two projects consolidating the property room,
The crime lab and the vehicle.

1328
02:55:23,590 --> 02:55:23,590
the evidentiary vehicle storage and the fleet maintenance facility are going to improve
Our operations as well as the way we process forensics.

1329
02:55:32,470 --> 02:55:32,470
and so together, these, these six projects are going to be approximately 460 million in
Funding.

1330
02:55:40,550 --> 02:55:40,550
next slide. So now I'm going to walk through the evolution of our law enforcement training
Discussions.

1331
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:50,550
I think you've seen this slide before. We began talking about the law enforcement training
Center at unt dallas

1332
02:56:00,710 --> 02:56:00,710
in 2021. And we identified what that facility was going to look like.

1333
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:07,750
we then were able to fund the project in the 2024 bond program,
And working with the dpd training team and collaboration with our

1334
02:56:17,660 --> 02:56:17,660
partners at unt dallas. The project has evolved to a 20 acre section of unt,
Including four buildings,

1335
02:56:26,220 --> 02:56:26,220
one for basic training, one for in-service training,
A physical training pavilion, and a criminal justice building which will house the

1336
02:56:35,940 --> 02:56:35,940
unt criminal justice faculty. And it'll be where our recruits will receive training from
That faculty.

1337
02:56:44,700 --> 02:56:48,620
design development is complete, and we're already authorized. We're going to be ready to authorize a site work package.

1338
02:56:52,500 --> 02:56:52,500
and as many of you know, we've got groundbreaking scheduled for next month on september
3rd.

1339
02:56:59,140 --> 02:56:59,140
separately, we have a public safety training complex and that is focused on specialized
Tactical training,

1340
02:57:07,500 --> 02:57:07,500
emergency emergency vehicle operations course,
Firearms training, and a simulated village.

1341
02:57:13,260 --> 02:57:13,260
and it's important to note that that. Facility was not part of the 2024 bond program.

1342
02:57:21,540 --> 02:57:21,540
and we're we're proposing that that facility be at unt at excuse me,
At the dallas executive airport,

1343
02:57:28,580 --> 02:57:31,620
as we identified in the site feasibility study. Next slide. So just to review the funding needs for each of these projects.

1344
02:57:40,260 --> 02:57:40,260
for the law enforcement training center, the total project cost is 227 million.

1345
02:57:46,060 --> 02:57:46,060
and the good news is we already have over 100 million of that funding committed,
With 50 million from the 2024 bond program.

1346
02:57:55,020 --> 02:57:55,020
25 million in state grants. And with our funding partners committed to 70 million.

1347
02:58:03,740 --> 02:58:03,740
31.5 of that has already been committed. And we have another 38.5 that's pending.

1348
02:58:09,780 --> 02:58:09,780
and so the remaining gap of 82 million is what we would be asking voters to authorize this
November so we can complete this facility on

1349
02:58:19,130 --> 02:58:19,130
schedule by the summer of 2028. Next slide. As I mentioned earlier,
This

1350
02:58:29,050 --> 02:58:29,050
public safety training complex was part is part of the police training journey.

1351
02:58:35,930 --> 02:58:35,930
however, it was not funded in the 2024 bond. As we presented in april we conducted a
Feasibility study

1352
02:58:45,810 --> 02:58:45,810
that reviewed six city owned parcels and identified dallas executive as the most viable
Site.

1353
02:58:53,930 --> 02:58:53,930
the total project cost for this facility is 170 million.

1354
02:58:58,690 --> 02:58:58,690
and we would be looking for 149 million out of this bond program because the the,
The aviation department

1355
02:59:08,650 --> 02:59:11,450
would be able to fund the enabling infrastructure. And we are anticipating some sponsorship dollars for this facility.

1356
02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:16,080
next slide. So I think you guys were were briefed

1357
02:59:25,480 --> 02:59:25,480
earlier on on this facility, the emergency operations and 911 facility.

1358
02:59:31,640 --> 02:59:31,640
the funding that we would be looking for, for,
For this property is 40 million.

1359
02:59:38,440 --> 02:59:42,120
and that's what we've included in, in our, in our modeling. Next slide. So the, the fourth project that we've identified for the bond program

1360
02:59:51,880 --> 02:59:51,880
is the property room crime lab and vehicle evidentiary storage consolidated to one
Facility.

1361
02:59:59,920 --> 02:59:59,920
we, we discussed this in the, the june 10th briefing.

1362
03:00:04,920 --> 03:00:04,920
as you can see from this slide the property room is currently at at 125% capacity.

1363
03:00:13,720 --> 03:00:13,720
the existing facilities are fragmented across multiple locations,
Creating inefficiencies in evidence intake,

1364
03:00:21,000 --> 03:00:24,760
storage, retrieval, and chain of custody tracking. These conditions create a risk to the integrity of our our evidence.

1365
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:30,880
limit our ability to meet modern standards for climate control and security.

1366
03:00:35,960 --> 03:00:35,960
so this facility is, is a very needed facility.

1367
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:41,120
we're looking at a a, an opportunity to potentially put this at,
At an existing, the existing building parcel

1368
03:00:51,800 --> 03:00:51,800
at a, at 150 million. An alternative site is also a possibility for this facility.

1369
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:00,240
and we would be estimating that alternative site at 232 million.

1370
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:06,000
next slide. The fifth project is the fire station.

1371
03:01:11,670 --> 03:01:15,670
fire station number four at akron and canton. This facility has been in service since 1953 and is the highest priority that dallas fire
Rescue has identified.

1372
03:01:25,830 --> 03:01:25,830
this particular facility, we would be proposing a five bay project as opposed to our
Standard four bay.

1373
03:01:35,950 --> 03:01:35,950
and the, the reason for that is to provide capacity for the call volume and,
And would potentially reduce our need for another

1374
03:01:45,950 --> 03:01:45,950
facility. So the current cost estimate for that project is 22 million.

1375
03:01:51,350 --> 03:01:51,350
and then our final project next slide is a fleet maintenance facility.

1376
03:01:56,070 --> 03:01:56,070
and this is at the southeast service center. I know several of you have had the
Opportunity to go and visit this facility and have seen the conditions.

1377
03:02:05,950 --> 03:02:05,950
I don't know if you can see from the pictures the significant deterioration that we have
At this facility.

1378
03:02:11,910 --> 03:02:11,910
we've got peeling ceilings, we've got damaged surfaces,
An hvac system that is not sufficient.

1379
03:02:19,750 --> 03:02:19,750
and the middle slide shows you know, large fans that are used.

1380
03:02:23,790 --> 03:02:23,790
so you know, the, the conditions that this facility directly impact the operational
Readiness.

1381
03:02:31,590 --> 03:02:31,590
next slide. So our proposal for, for this facility would be to demo and replace the,
The maintenance area,

1382
03:02:41,150 --> 03:02:41,150
the two part storage and administrative spaces at a cost of 17 million.

1383
03:02:47,310 --> 03:02:47,310
in june before, before recess, the council did approve $1 million for,
For this facility for a six bay

1384
03:02:57,110 --> 03:02:57,110
building that would accommodate the, the large vehicles that they process through through
This fleet maintenance,

1385
03:03:04,700 --> 03:03:04,700
however, making the improvements to the main maintenance area will allow the 300 dpd
Vehicles that are processed through this facility

1386
03:03:14,420 --> 03:03:14,420
to to be able to to be delivered in a much more efficient manner.

1387
03:03:22,340 --> 03:03:22,340
so next slide. The 460 million cost of these six projects,
The slide shows how

1388
03:03:32,300 --> 03:03:32,300
we would recommend the cash flow. We would be delivering those projects across three years
With 162

1389
03:03:41,540 --> 03:03:41,540
million in, in the current fiscal year, 125 in fy 28 and then 173

1390
03:03:51,620 --> 03:03:51,620
in, in fy 29. Next slide. So this slide updates the general obligation

1391
03:04:01,380 --> 03:04:01,380
schedule. The. The. This was previously presented on on our june 10th briefing,
And we've

1392
03:04:11,380 --> 03:04:11,380
updated the information to incorporate the 17 million for the fleet maintenance facility.

1393
03:04:17,500 --> 03:04:17,500
jack mentioned the 125 million for the pension obligation bonds where we're showing that
With a proposed start of,

1394
03:04:26,740 --> 03:04:26,740
of the sale of those in, in fy 28. It also shows the ability to continue forward with a
2029

1395
03:04:36,500 --> 03:04:36,500
bond program. And so this is what our proposal is for the general obligation bonds for
2026.

1396
03:04:45,780 --> 03:04:45,780
and now I'm going to turn it over to director niswander to walk you through how we would
Continue to deliver the 2024 bond.

1397
03:04:55,620 --> 03:04:55,620
great. Thank you. So on slide 22 what you are looking at.

1398
03:05:01,490 --> 03:05:01,490
there is the allocation for the 2024 bond program,
And this allocation is shown over the five year period and is what we will be having in in

1399
03:05:10,970 --> 03:05:10,970
a shown in our budget. And we'll be talking about in our budget town halls as we,
As we move forward.

1400
03:05:17,130 --> 03:05:19,730
so you can see the first two years are grayed out. So those have already happened. The next three years are what the allocation will be
Adding up to 250 million a year.

1401
03:05:29,250 --> 03:05:32,410
so as you know, our bonds are sold over a five year period. And that's what this slide is reflecting. And the bond office does work with the other
Construction infrastructure departments just to make sure on an annual basis so that we

1402
03:05:42,090 --> 03:05:42,090
can go back and make sure that the dollars are actually aligned with project schedules.

1403
03:05:47,570 --> 03:05:47,570
so this does change from year to year based on input from those departments.

1404
03:05:52,690 --> 03:05:52,690
next slide. So this slide shows the last 4 or 5 columns,
What the allocations would

1405
03:06:02,530 --> 03:06:02,530
be by proposition and by year if all three bond propositions were to pass.

1406
03:06:08,770 --> 03:06:08,770
and this lines up with the the financial model that we showed a few slides ago.

1407
03:06:14,890 --> 03:06:14,890
so we have the 190 and 27 and going out to 141 million allocated in year six or fiscal
Year 30.

1408
03:06:23,890 --> 03:06:23,890
the first column shows what our capacity is,
What we're projecting our capacity to be at the end of fiscal year 26.

1409
03:06:31,330 --> 03:06:31,330
and then the 502 million is just showing what we've sold to date,
Including some interest.

1410
03:06:38,170 --> 03:06:38,170
next slide. So this is just an overall summary of,
Of where we're at.

1411
03:06:47,090 --> 03:06:47,090
if all the bonds were to sell, were to sell. So again,
We did work with the infrastructure department so that we could update this and make sure

1412
03:06:56,410 --> 03:06:56,410
that we are working with those teams and those project schedules.

1413
03:07:01,400 --> 03:07:01,400
right now, we do have 851 projects in the 24 bond program.

1414
03:07:06,320 --> 03:07:06,320
812 of those will be fully funded within the first five years,
Which is the 95.5%.

1415
03:07:13,200 --> 03:07:13,200
39 projects will have a have funding scheduled in fiscal year 60,
I'm sorry, fiscal year six,

1416
03:07:19,880 --> 03:07:19,880
fiscal year 30 and 31 of the 39 do have funding within the first five years.

1417
03:07:26,760 --> 03:07:26,760
so those projects can be initiated and and started and ready for the remaining dollars
That will be available to them in year six.

1418
03:07:35,800 --> 03:07:35,800
and then again, just to reiterate, so we, we do have a practice within the bond office to
Go back and talk to the departments to make sure that you know,

1419
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:44,960
if a project becomes a priority and we need to move one project up,
We can look to see if there's an opportunity to move another project back to accommodate

1420
03:07:54,240 --> 03:07:54,240
that type of a priority. Next slide or slide 26.

1421
03:08:02,400 --> 03:08:02,400
so then this slide just shows what those three propositions would look like.

1422
03:08:06,440 --> 03:08:06,440
so working with bond council we did come up with three propositions that would be needed.

1423
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:12,240
one for public safety. That adds up to 43, 443 million in fleet service center would have
Its own proposition at 17 million.

1424
03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:20,560
and then the pension obligation bond at 500. We did find a typo earlier this week,
So I just wanted to point that out that the presentation that was posted was

1425
03:08:29,960 --> 03:08:29,960
977, but it's actually 960 million in total. So again,
We did work with bond council for the language that we're showing in this

1426
03:08:39,440 --> 03:08:39,440
presentation, which includes the descriptions and how the funds can be used the bond value
And the payback value.

1427
03:08:47,320 --> 03:08:47,320
and then the next three slides goes over the that actual language that would be in the
Ballot.

1428
03:08:53,310 --> 03:08:56,910
so the first one, prop a, I'm sorry. Slide 20. Yeah. Prop a would be public safety for 443 million.

1429
03:09:01,790 --> 03:09:01,790
and the payback would be 629. The next slide would be for the city fleet maintenance
Facility proposition b.

1430
03:09:10,390 --> 03:09:10,390
prop b for 17 million with a payback of 24 million.

1431
03:09:15,390 --> 03:09:15,390
and then pension obligation is the. The last proposition,
Prop c for 500 million, with a payback of

1432
03:09:23,950 --> 03:09:23,950
1.97 billion. And that would be over a 30 year payback schedule.

1433
03:09:30,950 --> 03:09:30,950
so the next steps on slide 31. August 12th will be coming back to council for your
Consideration to call for an

1434
03:09:40,470 --> 03:09:40,470
election. August 17th would be our last day to call for an election.

1435
03:09:46,510 --> 03:09:46,510
october end of october starts early voting. Election day is november 3rd and we.

1436
03:09:52,430 --> 03:09:52,430
election canvass resolution for city council would be november 10th.

1437
03:09:57,710 --> 03:09:57,710
so. And with that, that's our o. We do have an appendix.

1438
03:10:01,910 --> 03:10:01,910
I just wanted to point that out as well. So all the projects that have funding in year six
Is included in the appendix.

1439
03:10:10,870 --> 03:10:10,870
we just want to make sure that we had that out there for some transparency. And if anybody
Had any questions about that.

1440
03:10:17,350 --> 03:10:17,350
and with that, that concludes our presentation and I'd be happy to take any,
Any questions.

1441
03:10:22,990 --> 03:10:22,990
thank you very much. I appreciate it. Members,
Go ahead and start registering if you'd like to jump in here.

1442
03:10:32,830 --> 03:10:32,830
I see chairwoman mendelsohn, you're recognized for five minutes.

1443
03:10:40,990 --> 03:10:44,030
you're muted, I think. There. Thank you mayor. There you go. Sorry, I had to unmute. It took a minute.

1444
03:10:49,110 --> 03:10:49,110
so I do have a number of questions. I like to start with pension obligation bonds.

1445
03:10:56,660 --> 03:10:56,660
when we did the pension obligation bonds for the urf,
It was before any of us were on council.

1446
03:11:01,500 --> 03:11:01,500
can you tell us what the interest rate was and what the return averages for the fund,
What that average return rate was?

1447
03:11:15,660 --> 03:11:15,660
thank you. Yes, it was prior to anyone. That's currently on council being here.

1448
03:11:20,180 --> 03:11:20,180
and we borrowed the funds $500 million in 2005.

1449
03:11:24,340 --> 03:11:24,340
I believe the interest rate was 5%. And I do not have an average of what the returns have
Been for the last 21 years.

1450
03:11:33,700 --> 03:11:33,700
there have obviously been years where we've seen interest rates as strong,
Which is 30%, but we also saw years of recession

1451
03:11:43,660 --> 03:11:43,660
where there was a loss. I have reached out to deloitte,
Actually, to answer your very question about the comparison between the cost and the the

1452
03:11:53,290 --> 03:11:53,290
returns. But again, I don't have an average with me today,
But we've seen it from again, very high returns to some

1453
03:12:02,770 --> 03:12:02,770
losses. And I will be able to provide that to you.

1454
03:12:07,610 --> 03:12:07,610
so given what you already know, would you say that the return averages for urf are higher
Than the police fire pension fund over the last

1455
03:12:17,530 --> 03:12:17,530
ten years? Over the last ten years, the rate of return of urf probably has been higher
Over the last few years.

1456
03:12:27,010 --> 03:12:27,010
no. The returns are much more in line with each other.

1457
03:12:31,090 --> 03:12:31,090
there is not much difference between the rate of return between the 2 in 2025,
For example urf was 12 and

1458
03:12:41,050 --> 03:12:41,050
dallas police and fire was 15. The year before one was 9.2 and police and fire was 9.3 the
Year before.

1459
03:12:49,570 --> 03:12:49,570
they were ten and 13. So they've been much closer in the recent years.

1460
03:12:54,890 --> 03:12:54,890
but further back? Yes, there there was a greater variance between the two,
With police and fire being lower.

1461
03:13:04,090 --> 03:13:04,090
jack, when you were describing this, you said,
Quote, it's going to potentially decrease the city's costs.

1462
03:13:13,170 --> 03:13:13,170
would you say that's a best case scenario? Yes,
It's obviously would be the best case scenario is that

1463
03:13:23,050 --> 03:13:23,050
the the cost to borrow is much lower and the cost of or the rate of return is much higher.

1464
03:13:30,490 --> 03:13:30,490
in the particular scenario that we showed numbers on 200 basis point difference with the
4.5% cost of borrowing and 6.5% rate of

1465
03:13:40,450 --> 03:13:40,450
return. There was a $341 million net savings.

1466
03:13:44,920 --> 03:13:44,920
so the savings is going to be different depending upon the actual rate of return on the
Investments and what we actually get in our cost of borrowing.

1467
03:13:54,640 --> 03:13:54,640
it's my recommendation that we would not go into the market unless the rates to borrow
Come down.

1468
03:14:01,960 --> 03:14:01,960
right now there are too high. Most recently that hilltop shared with me was just over 6%.

1469
03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:09,120
and I would want to see the rate of return to be at least 200 basis points below the six
And a half that they've assumed in their investments.

1470
03:14:20,480 --> 03:14:20,480
so you're saying the cost of borrowing is just over 6% right now?

1471
03:14:24,840 --> 03:14:24,840
yes, ma'am. And and in your scenario, you're talking about a 4.5% as your target.

1472
03:14:31,560 --> 03:14:31,560
is that right? Yes, ma'am. That would be a target that I would recommend to the city
Council that it'd be 200 basis points below their rate of return,

1473
03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:38,560
their projected rate of return. And so the first step in pension obligation bonds would
Obviously be getting voter authorization.

1474
03:14:46,520 --> 03:14:46,520
and then working with the finance committee,
With deloitte and others to, to, to identify the time in the market to do it.

1475
03:14:55,320 --> 03:14:55,320
but it is something that we would want to have teed up and ready to go for,
For when the market improves.

1476
03:15:05,240 --> 03:15:05,240
well, the market doesn't move that fast. I mean,
You're talking about a number of years to get to a 4.5%.

1477
03:15:10,400 --> 03:15:10,400
correct. Isn't that your expectation? I'm not going to speculate on how quickly it'll
Change,

1478
03:15:16,160 --> 03:15:16,160
but yes, ma'am. Right now in august of 2026 is not the time to actually issue the debt.

1479
03:15:24,440 --> 03:15:24,440
but I'm not sure exactly when that would be. And we would continue to monitor that with
Our financial advisors to determine when the appropriate time to come back to council and

1480
03:15:33,440 --> 03:15:33,440
seek the additional authorization, assuming that it goes through the process and is
Approved by voters.

1481
03:15:41,390 --> 03:15:41,390
so I'm not aware of any financial forecasts that actually shows a lowering of interest
Rates.

1482
03:15:46,630 --> 03:15:46,630
are you? Not at this point. No, ma'am.

1483
03:15:57,910 --> 03:15:57,910
I'm sorry, did you cut out? I must have because I answered at this point.

1484
03:16:01,990 --> 03:16:01,990
no, ma'am, I am not aware. Okay. I've only read where they're going to go up.

1485
03:16:08,870 --> 03:16:08,870
so. So if this is our best case scenario where we get this 2% spread what's the worst case
Scenario?

1486
03:16:18,030 --> 03:16:18,030
because mostly people talk about pension obligation bonds as a risky investment since you
Don't control either the return or I

1487
03:16:27,990 --> 03:16:27,990
mean obviously you lock in an interest rate,
But you don't control those returns.

1488
03:16:33,110 --> 03:16:33,110
that is correct. And for the finance committee and the pension ad hoc committee,
We did show several different modeling scenarios with

1489
03:16:43,070 --> 03:16:43,070
worse levels of return. And yes, there's the potential that the downside of it,
The worst case scenario is that it does

1490
03:16:52,950 --> 03:16:52,950
not save the city any money, and it actually costs the city additional.

1491
03:16:59,230 --> 03:16:59,230
well, so I do, I appreciate that you put that in the committee materials,
And we certainly talked about it there,

1492
03:17:05,830 --> 03:17:05,830
but it feels like it needed to have been in this presentation as well,
Since not everybody is on that pension committee.

1493
03:17:11,870 --> 03:17:11,870
and this is showing a very rosy idea of what could happen when something very tragic could
Happen,

1494
03:17:20,750 --> 03:17:20,750
which is not only do we need to make these payments to the pension obligation on the debt
Side,

1495
03:17:27,030 --> 03:17:27,030
we also will have to come out of pocket on the general fund because the spread is not
There.

1496
03:17:33,510 --> 03:17:33,510
so is our bond counsel here. Are our bond counsel is present.

1497
03:17:38,620 --> 03:17:38,620
and the chambers today. Okay. What is the interest cost for

1498
03:17:49,180 --> 03:17:49,180
all of the bond. So we're at 940 million. Is that right?

1499
03:17:59,020 --> 03:17:59,020
so the modeling that was done, the numbers that jenny mentioned with each of the
Propositions there was a 4.1,

1500
03:18:08,860 --> 03:18:08,860
I believe percent on the I'm sorry, 4.01% 20 years on the proposed proposition a for 443
Million.

1501
03:18:19,580 --> 03:18:19,580
there is 4.01% for 20 years on proposition b,
The 17 million.

1502
03:18:25,420 --> 03:18:25,420
and then what is included on proposition c is the current rates,
Which is 6.035 for 30 years,

1503
03:18:34,780 --> 03:18:34,780
and that shows more than we would pay if we set up a threshold that we would not borrow,
Unless the interest rate was at four and a half or less.

1504
03:18:44,460 --> 03:18:44,460
but legally, we have to use based on rates that are available now,
Not what triggers that we would put in place that we would not actually issue the bonds

1505
03:18:53,940 --> 03:18:53,940
until. So what's shown in proposition c on page 29 is based on 6.35%,
Whereas we're recommending you don't

1506
03:19:03,620 --> 03:19:03,620
trigger that until 4.5%, which is about $155 million difference in interest cost.

1507
03:19:13,020 --> 03:19:13,020
so of the 940 million face cost for the bond,
What is the additional amount that is interest?

1508
03:19:36,250 --> 03:19:36,250
and mayor. Can I ask that? 600. I have one minute left,
You know.

1509
03:19:40,810 --> 03:19:40,810
oh, yeah. I'll let you know when you have a minute left. Just so you know,
You're at two minutes and 30s exactly right.

1510
03:19:46,050 --> 03:19:46,050
now, if I added that. Thank you so much. I hear a quick add of that.

1511
03:19:51,890 --> 03:19:51,890
looks like a quick out of that. Looks like it's about $624 million based upon what is
Listed in each of the

1512
03:20:01,650 --> 03:20:01,650
propositions. But again, proposition c has to show a higher amount than we would actually
Borrow at,

1513
03:20:09,090 --> 03:20:09,090
but about $600 million. So 900 and I just want to make sure I got it right.

1514
03:20:13,730 --> 03:20:13,730
940 million as the face value. But then an additional 624 million would be interest.

1515
03:20:21,490 --> 03:20:23,690
is that right? Yes. If I added that correctly. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. So you're saying that you would not want to issue the pension
Obligation bonds

1516
03:20:33,650 --> 03:20:33,650
today at this interest rate, but there wouldn't be anything that would actually stop us.

1517
03:20:38,690 --> 03:20:38,690
is that correct? It's just a recommendation and a vote of the council,
Which I believe in this case would be a simple majority.

1518
03:20:44,890 --> 03:20:44,890
is that correct? It would require a vote of the council. Yes,
Ma'am. Okay.

1519
03:20:51,610 --> 03:20:51,610
and the council could decide to not wait and take a risky bet and say,
Well, we just think,

1520
03:20:59,050 --> 03:20:59,050
you know, the stock market's been really hot and the returns for police fire pension have
Been really strong lately.

1521
03:21:06,370 --> 03:21:06,370
we're going to go ahead and do it early, which would be a highly,
Highly risky venture.

1522
03:21:12,650 --> 03:21:16,130
but eight council members could do that. Isn't that correct. If the voters approve this item. Yes, ma'am. Once the voters approve the item,
The city council is required to vote to actually authorize the debt.

1523
03:21:27,970 --> 03:21:27,970
and you can put a bond election both in may and december.

1524
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:33,200
and november. There's nothing that when we moved our council election date,
There's nothing that prohibited us from doing that.

1525
03:21:40,360 --> 03:21:40,360
correct. Not that I'm aware of. Okay. And then can you talk about our total outstanding
Debt for

1526
03:21:50,280 --> 03:21:50,280
dallas? What that number is at today? Our total

1527
03:22:00,720 --> 03:22:03,840
outstanding debt. I'm not giving you a today number. I'm giving you nine 3025. So last september 30th which is what I have in front of me.

1528
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:09,200
total tax supported debt is $2.5 billion of principal outstanding with $1.1 million of
Interest related to that,

1529
03:22:16,680 --> 03:22:16,680
for a total of $3.6 million, including the outstanding principal,
Plus the interest that would be due.

1530
03:22:27,240 --> 03:22:27,240
so what about if I was looking at the texas bond review boards?

1531
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:33,200
debt outstanding by local government. And this would have last been updated may 8th,
2026.

1532
03:22:40,440 --> 03:22:40,440
what would it show for our total debt outstanding.

1533
03:22:44,760 --> 03:22:44,760
do you know? I do not. Because it's a lot more than 3.6 months.

1534
03:22:50,040 --> 03:22:50,040
you're you're at your minute right now. You're at 58 seconds.

1535
03:22:54,080 --> 03:22:54,080
thank you. Well, I'm going to tell you that the that site,
Which requires reporting by our city,

1536
03:23:00,520 --> 03:23:00,520
says that we have 5.4 billion. And it does an apples to apples comparison with other
Cities.

1537
03:23:07,000 --> 03:23:07,000
houston has over 11 billion. Of course, they're a much larger city than we are.

1538
03:23:11,480 --> 03:23:11,480
but what's interesting is that when you look at san antonio,
Compared to our four point or 5.4 billion,

1539
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:17,840
san antonio is at 2.8 billion. They have a larger population than we do.

1540
03:23:22,240 --> 03:23:22,240
austin, 2.4 billion or 3.2 billion. El paso. 1.6 billion.

1541
03:23:30,510 --> 03:23:30,510
so I'm concerned about our debt level and then going out again for another bond.

1542
03:23:38,150 --> 03:23:38,150
how frequently do we do a bond in a two year cycle?

1543
03:23:46,670 --> 03:23:46,670
so we, we traditionally don't do bonds in a two year cycle.

1544
03:23:51,070 --> 03:23:51,070
that's true. But we have had in the past where bonds have been back to back that in 2005,
It was a much smaller bond,

1545
03:23:59,030 --> 03:23:59,030
but it was what funded the bridge. And then following that,
We had the 2006 bond program,

1546
03:24:03,910 --> 03:24:07,070
which I believe is our largest program that we've had. But typically there is more time than two years between between bond programs.

1547
03:24:13,350 --> 03:24:13,350
yeah, that 2005 where it was just a two year increment,
The two bonds.

1548
03:24:19,110 --> 03:24:22,710
well, the three bonds that preceded it was only 174 million. Another was $543 million. And then the last time $507 million.

1549
03:24:28,150 --> 03:24:31,190
go and get that question out though. Go ahead. Thank you. I would like to have another turn. Of course. Of course. Thank you. If I may
Mayor,

1550
03:24:35,150 --> 03:24:35,150
please answer the question. I wasn't sure you got it out,
But, yeah, you're out of time for this round. So I just wanted to point out also that miss

1551
03:24:41,790 --> 03:24:41,790
mendelsohn, when I answer the question about our outstanding debt,
I said that it was total tax supported general obligation debt at 2.5.

1552
03:24:50,070 --> 03:24:50,070
if you add in the enterprise funds, there is another 2.9 for a total of 5.4,
But the tax supported debt is 2.5.

1553
03:24:58,350 --> 03:24:58,350
the non tax supported debt of the city's 2.9 for a total of 5.4.

1554
03:25:03,790 --> 03:25:03,790
and that may be consistent with what you looked up and council member.

1555
03:25:08,390 --> 03:25:08,390
I just wanted to add to what what director niswander what jenny shared with you.

1556
03:25:14,590 --> 03:25:14,590
prior to 2006 we did have you know, more frequency in our in our bond programs.

1557
03:25:23,620 --> 03:25:23,620
in 1985, we had another 1 in 1989, another in 1995,
1998, 2003,

1558
03:25:33,100 --> 03:25:33,100
2005, and 2006. We provided that information to all council members yesterday evening.

1559
03:25:46,700 --> 03:25:49,220
miss willis, I think you're recognized for five minutes. Is that right? Five. Okay. Five minutes. All right.

1560
03:25:52,060 --> 03:25:52,060
thank you. So just sticking with pension obligation bonds.

1561
03:25:56,180 --> 03:25:56,180
this is really our break glass in case of emergency scenario,
Because this is not necessarily because pension

1562
03:26:06,180 --> 03:26:06,180
obligation bonds are good idea. They're very risky.

1563
03:26:10,300 --> 03:26:10,300
this is really about how we manage city finances and not knowing about revenue caps that
May be delivered unto

1564
03:26:20,330 --> 03:26:20,330
us about our funding, soundness, restoration plan on our pension,
And a 30 year, $11 billion commitment

1565
03:26:30,330 --> 03:26:30,330
that steps up in 2030. Mr. Ireland, can you tell us about kind of what that jump looks
Like when we get to 2030?

1566
03:26:43,850 --> 03:26:43,850
yes, ma'am. So currently, our contribution to the dallas police and fire pension system is
About $230 million or so this

1567
03:26:53,810 --> 03:26:53,810
year, going up to 240 plus million dollars next year in 2030,
It jumps up to 200.

1568
03:27:02,290 --> 03:27:02,290
and I'm sorry. Let's see up to. $326 million.

1569
03:27:10,730 --> 03:27:10,730
so right now, as a percent of the general fund,
We're paying about 11.4% of our general fund is paid only

1570
03:27:20,730 --> 03:27:20,730
to police and fire pension contributions in 2030.

1571
03:27:25,490 --> 03:27:25,490
it looks like, and I assume that the growth in the general fund would be a conservative 3%
Per year.

1572
03:27:31,690 --> 03:27:31,690
again, it'll be more than that or less than that. But I assume that it will grow at 3% per
Year in 2030.

1573
03:27:38,690 --> 03:27:38,690
our contribution will be 14.6%. So we will peak in 2030 at 14.6%.

1574
03:27:46,530 --> 03:27:50,290
and then it starts to come down as a percent over time. If the scenario we've talked about is realized in 2030,
Instead of jumping up to 14.6, we would peak at

1575
03:27:59,490 --> 03:27:59,490
12.9% of our total general fund. And so it's about mitigating that potential cost
Increase.

1576
03:28:07,850 --> 03:28:07,850
the the plan that we put forward, that you approved,
That the board approved is a sound plan.

1577
03:28:13,610 --> 03:28:13,610
it works. It will fully fund the system. I'm proud of all of us for getting it across the
Finish line,

1578
03:28:18,920 --> 03:28:18,920
but it does come at a high cost over time. And as those costs go up,
Other decisions will have to be made

1579
03:28:28,760 --> 03:28:28,760
about how to fund that. And so when you're looking at that,
If you want another tool to already have available to you to pull the trigger

1580
03:28:38,280 --> 03:28:38,280
is pension obligation bonds, which could help mitigate those increases in your general
Fund.

1581
03:28:44,240 --> 03:28:44,240
I understand it's a risk. And some people, some advisors would advise against pension
Obligation bonds.

1582
03:28:51,760 --> 03:28:51,760
I am concerned about fiscal year 2030. So when you talk about that percentage declining,
Is that also because our revenues are growing.

1583
03:29:00,360 --> 03:29:00,360
I mean you're projecting the value of our land assuming more tax sales tax when the
Convention center is back online.

1584
03:29:09,480 --> 03:29:09,480
I just simply assume that our general fund would grow by 3% per year.

1585
03:29:14,120 --> 03:29:17,080
I don't know how much it's going to grow. It will. I don't know if the state's going to limit that growth even more or not,
But I thought it was a conservative approach to kind of look 30 years out.

1586
03:29:25,000 --> 03:29:25,000
and yeah, so not knowing what some of those factors are going to yield,
This is the emergency scenario just so that we're not having to hit this with the general

1587
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:35,000
fund. It allows us to fulfill our obligation,
But have this move into the debt service fund so that we will have funds to continue

1588
03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:44,080
delivering core services, etc.. So not the best way to go about it necessarily,
But it's a tool in the toolbox.

1589
03:29:52,240 --> 03:29:52,240
so on page six, I, I do have a concern about the finance committee notification.

1590
03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:01,840
I know that has got to be a briefing and exploration not a memo that people ask questions
On because we don't know enough about this and it doesn't

1591
03:30:11,670 --> 03:30:11,670
necessarily need to be presented by staff. This is from an objective consultant.

1592
03:30:17,110 --> 03:30:17,110
I mean, we need to hear the real deal. It may not even be us in these seats,
But whoever this body is needs to hear the highs and the lows and the ins and the outs,

1593
03:30:25,870 --> 03:30:25,870
the realities of how the funds are performing,
The realities of the market.

1594
03:30:30,910 --> 03:30:30,910
so I would hate to see anything just kind of glossed over and a vote taken no matter when
It happens.

1595
03:30:38,910 --> 03:30:38,910
that did not fully delve into this because of the potential risk involved.

1596
03:30:43,390 --> 03:30:43,390
and I think that risk comes from another concern I have is on your third bullet about
Assumed rate versus actual rate.

1597
03:30:52,070 --> 03:30:52,070
so we're talking about a half billion dollar borrowing decision on an assumption versus a
Demonstrated performance.

1598
03:31:00,590 --> 03:31:00,590
so yeah, the police and fire pension fund did had a good rate of return last year,
Still not performing as well as peers.

1599
03:31:11,590 --> 03:31:11,590
so there's work to do there, but to take a couple of years is not really the way to make
The decision.

1600
03:31:16,750 --> 03:31:20,510
I mean, we need to decide on is this a ten year rolling period? And I know that sounds like a long time, but I mean,
If you're going to make a decision like this, it needs to be over a longer term average.

1601
03:31:28,470 --> 03:31:31,550
there's no even today, we wouldn't be able to meet these obligations. I mean, we wouldn't be able to borrow on this.

1602
03:31:35,230 --> 03:31:35,230
so there are a lot of things to look at to besides just how did that fund do last year in
The last three years?

1603
03:31:41,150 --> 03:31:44,270
I mean, this is why we, you know, have oversight. We're going to get a report on it about asset allocation because right now there's still
Some underperforming alternative assets.

1604
03:31:52,030 --> 03:31:52,030
they could be working harder. The harder that fund works,
The more it takes off of our budget and dallas taxpayers.

1605
03:32:00,830 --> 03:32:00,830
and I'll just say that the, you advocated for an independent review and that has kicked
Off.

1606
03:32:06,950 --> 03:32:10,580
the consultant is in place. Thank you all for approving that. Sorry it took so long, but it is in place and they've had their first meeting and I hope
It's more than a report.

1607
03:32:17,420 --> 03:32:17,420
I hope it's also forward looking and has suggestions and that sort of thing.

1608
03:32:21,900 --> 03:32:21,900
we have to be honest with ourselves about this and with our with our taxpayers,
Because of the point that this is going to be 14% of the budget in 2030.

1609
03:32:34,220 --> 03:32:34,220
so I am also concerned about how much I don't know that I'm comfortable with this half $1
Billion,

1610
03:32:41,900 --> 03:32:41,900
because I do not like the idea of all the work that went into the 2024 bond program and
The commitments made so much of it in infrastructure,

1611
03:32:50,580 --> 03:32:50,580
which is unifying in our city, that that is the number one thing that most that every
District wants.

1612
03:32:57,260 --> 03:33:00,780
and we're delaying $88 million into year six. There are other items that vision zero, why would we delay something one more year?

1613
03:33:05,740 --> 03:33:05,740
I mean, that is a program that saves lives. And so while in the appendix,
There are some things that maybe could move to year six.

1614
03:33:14,940 --> 03:33:14,940
and I'm seeing some things like around playground equipment and that sort of thing.

1615
03:33:19,020 --> 03:33:19,020
and that's because I think those are highly answerable and shouldn't be in a bond program.

1616
03:33:23,420 --> 03:33:26,940
I think we need someone working on raising funds for those sorts of things. So I would suggest that we bring this number down to $300 million and we can work on that
Figure so that we are not delaying what people

1617
03:33:36,780 --> 03:33:36,780
worked for, what they asked for, and that we committed to them in terms of infrastructure,

1618
03:33:41,420 --> 03:33:41,420
public safety facilities, libraries, etc.. Your area went fast.

1619
03:33:45,900 --> 03:33:45,900
I know, I know well, we'll come back to you because I know you weren't done.

1620
03:33:50,300 --> 03:33:54,220
sorry about that. Chairwoman stewart, you're recognized for five minutes. Thank you. Mayor johnson and I, I think councilmember willis has covered a lot of what I'm going to
Cover.

1621
03:33:59,860 --> 03:33:59,860
so I'll just kind of say the same thing, but quickly the obligation to make our pension
Payment is not optional,

1622
03:34:06,410 --> 03:34:06,410
right? We are, we are. This is that is our commitment.

1623
03:34:10,890 --> 03:34:10,890
we need to make those payments. Absolutely make those payments. And they go up 20 million
A year until we get to 2030.

1624
03:34:17,170 --> 03:34:17,170
and then we've heard that that number is 326 million.

1625
03:34:21,250 --> 03:34:21,250
so I have not that you guys read my newsletters because you're all reading and talking
About your own newsletters,

1626
03:34:27,450 --> 03:34:27,450
but I've written about the pressures on our budget and I call this one out number one,
Every time I'm talking to somebody having coffee with someone,

1627
03:34:35,490 --> 03:34:35,490
I want everyone in this city to understand there are pressures on our budget,
And I won't go to the other two,

1628
03:34:42,410 --> 03:34:42,410
but there are three major ones, and this obligation is one of those.

1629
03:34:47,490 --> 03:34:47,490
and so I am in agreement that having a tool in your toolbox,
Having something that's sitting there ready to go,

1630
03:34:53,690 --> 03:34:56,170
we don't have to wait six months. We don't have to. If the interest rates and the stars aligned and it's the best financial decision to issue
Those bonds,

1631
03:35:01,690 --> 03:35:01,690
we have that ability. I, I can't. I mean, we all the time.

1632
03:35:07,530 --> 03:35:07,530
I mean, just in your personal life, you put money in a savings account,
You have something out there.

1633
03:35:13,170 --> 03:35:17,050
so if certain circumstances come together, you have a resource to go to. You can go and take care of what you need to take care of.

1634
03:35:20,290 --> 03:35:20,290
so why wouldn't we do this? There is a fear,
I think chair mendelsohn has has hit on some points about what would stop us if there's

1635
03:35:29,970 --> 03:35:29,970
not a supermajority required. But I'm learning about the financial management performance
Criteria.

1636
03:35:36,570 --> 03:35:36,570
that's a mouthful. And they're laughing because I stumble over it every single time I say
It.

1637
03:35:42,930 --> 03:35:42,930
but could we not have an fm pc that they're still laughing?

1638
03:35:49,130 --> 03:35:49,130
that addresses when you would issue the bonds.

1639
03:35:54,250 --> 03:35:54,250
jack would that be a good idea or how would,
How could we define that for the people, the council members in the future.

1640
03:36:03,480 --> 03:36:03,480
that is an option. Or perhaps you. Put together,
We put together with you a resolution that outlines the criteria and council passed that

1641
03:36:12,120 --> 03:36:12,120
resolution and direct the city manager to take these actions when these certain things
Happen.

1642
03:36:18,880 --> 03:36:18,880
and so the city manager would follow the direction of the city council.

1643
03:36:23,320 --> 03:36:23,320
so the council today has an ability to control the circumstances in which those funds
Would be issued.

1644
03:36:30,440 --> 03:36:30,440
we could use all of our wisdom here and come up with what it's the two point spread.

1645
03:36:35,880 --> 03:36:35,880
specifically, I think you said between the. My recommendation would not to have a narrower
Spread than that.

1646
03:36:43,280 --> 03:36:46,680
right. So if I could jump in. Councilwoman mr. Mayor, so what we've outlined today is based on not just the staff perspective.

1647
03:36:52,760 --> 03:36:52,760
and I wanted to to thank councilwoman willis for her comments regarding having the experts
That this is what they do every single day they wake up and they breathe pensions.

1648
03:37:02,720 --> 03:37:02,720
having them to be able to come and be a part of that,
That could also be built into the resolution that you would want to have that type of a,

1649
03:37:10,280 --> 03:37:10,280
even if it's a recommendation that would include that outside,
Whether it's fund council,

1650
03:37:15,040 --> 03:37:15,040
whether it's the independent pension advisory,
Whatever you would want, you could build it into that.

1651
03:37:20,920 --> 03:37:20,920
but I do want to make a comment right now we're talking about the uniform pension.

1652
03:37:26,080 --> 03:37:26,080
if you add the uniform pension to the civilian pension,
Just the payment for 2027 is over $400

1653
03:37:35,720 --> 03:37:35,720
million. So I want to make very clear that is not the total pension payment from the city.

1654
03:37:42,400 --> 03:37:42,400
we are talking about the uniform. But if you add the additional payment that we make for
Our civilian employees,

1655
03:37:48,920 --> 03:37:48,920
that combined number in 27 is 400 million. And I believe in 2028 it goes to 438 million.

1656
03:37:55,720 --> 03:37:59,230
I just wanted to be clear. We're only talking about one pension. That's very helpful. You're right. Just focusing on police and fire.

1657
03:38:04,110 --> 03:38:04,110
so I think we can put some parameters around that,
Whether it's a resolution or the fmc.

1658
03:38:10,870 --> 03:38:10,870
I think we can define that situation about when when that would kick in.

1659
03:38:16,510 --> 03:38:16,510
and then on the police academy, I am a huge supporter of,
Of the getting the additional money that we need to finish that and then also to

1660
03:38:26,390 --> 03:38:26,390
have the public safety training complex as well.

1661
03:38:31,070 --> 03:38:31,070
we have promised these for decades, y'all. I mean,
I probably told you this story before when we first started talking about it again.

1662
03:38:40,270 --> 03:38:40,270
my cpc rep tip house, right. Said, hang on a minute,
I think I can find the drawings we did for that back in the 90s.

1663
03:38:47,710 --> 03:38:47,710
and he did. And I think I gave him to chief artist who had him for a while.

1664
03:38:51,790 --> 03:38:51,790
I mean, y'all, the 90s, we went to omniplan and said,
Give us a concept plan.

1665
03:38:56,940 --> 03:38:56,940
and they did. So here we are. It is way past time that we make good on this,
This promise.

1666
03:39:03,340 --> 03:39:03,340
so we have some promises, some obligations. We have some serious steps to take to,
To back up who we are,

1667
03:39:12,860 --> 03:39:12,860
what we've promised, what we need to do and get that,
Get that done.

1668
03:39:18,020 --> 03:39:18,020
and I think if we phrase that well to the residents of this city,
They will back us on that.

1669
03:39:24,060 --> 03:39:24,060
this, this is necessary and we have found a great path forward.

1670
03:39:28,260 --> 03:39:28,260
we're not postponing a lot of projects. There are some one of mine is postponed.

1671
03:39:32,860 --> 03:39:36,860
and yes, it's for sedalia. And yes, that's my biggest priority. However, that particular money I is specifically what it will be used for has not yet been
Identified.

1672
03:39:43,740 --> 03:39:43,740
right. We are still discussing what that amount will be spent on,
So it gives me a breather.

1673
03:39:50,340 --> 03:39:50,340
it gives all of us a time to step back and go,
Okay, we have a little more time.

1674
03:39:54,940 --> 03:39:54,940
let a little more maturity happen around what's happening at forest and adelia.

1675
03:39:59,300 --> 03:39:59,300
and hopefully in a year, 18 months, we'll have a much better idea of how we want to spend
That money.

1676
03:40:04,460 --> 03:40:04,460
so it's really not a negative for district ten to wait a little bit longer anyway.

1677
03:40:11,980 --> 03:40:11,980
I think that's probably all I need to say at this point,
But I am looking forward to moving forward,

1678
03:40:17,700 --> 03:40:21,060
and I do appreciate all the work that you all have put into this. Much appreciated. Miss blackmon, you recognized for five minutes.

1679
03:40:27,620 --> 03:40:27,620
thank you. So, okay. On the povs. So the scenario you gave us is not really what's in.

1680
03:40:36,260 --> 03:40:36,260
it's in the reality of today's economy, because I guess the borrowing of money is actually
More like 6% than 4.5.

1681
03:40:45,420 --> 03:40:45,420
correct. Yes, ma'am. Today's rates are are more recent rates would be about 6%,
But that is not the rate that we would recommend

1682
03:40:55,290 --> 03:40:55,290
you borrow. Correct, I get that. So is that why in the bond language it seems like it's
Doubled and plus.

1683
03:41:02,010 --> 03:41:02,010
and so when people see that, they're going to go,
Wait, you're asking me to pay 1 billion,

1684
03:41:06,730 --> 03:41:06,730
but we're only getting half a billion. That is correct.

1685
03:41:10,890 --> 03:41:10,890
the difference between the 6% that they've assumed in the language,
Which is required, because it's the current rate.

1686
03:41:17,170 --> 03:41:17,170
and what we would actually trigger is a difference of $155 million of interest.

1687
03:41:22,370 --> 03:41:22,370
and then I believe in may, you said the ten year rate of return was looking like at 3.12
When you gave

1688
03:41:32,370 --> 03:41:32,370
us our presentation, I mean, year one, it was 9.25.

1689
03:41:36,450 --> 03:41:36,450
and then year five, you know, the whole when you accumulate them all,
That is correct.

1690
03:41:41,010 --> 03:41:41,010
one year rate of return for dallas police and fire pension system is 9.25% of five year
Average is 5.07%.

1691
03:41:49,370 --> 03:41:49,370
ten years 3.12. Yes, ma'am. Okay. So then when do you have.

1692
03:41:56,250 --> 03:41:56,250
I guess I'm trying to understand when the rate of return will finally average out to 6.5.

1693
03:42:03,970 --> 03:42:03,970
and do you I mean, I don't know when that would happen,
Do you?

1694
03:42:08,010 --> 03:42:11,050
no, ma'am, I do not. Okay. Because it's not a one year time. It's a are we going to look at a five year time or is that a criteria item that we have
To.

1695
03:42:15,450 --> 03:42:19,210
so that is not a criteria that we suggested at this point. I did talk to financial advisors and deloitte about making a criteria like that,
Rather than just a 200 basis points less than their projected rate of return.

1696
03:42:28,770 --> 03:42:28,770
and I understand that's a projected rate of return,
But you could have one year that you lose 10% in the next year in your portfolio.

1697
03:42:36,690 --> 03:42:36,690
you made 30. Right. And so you can't you got to average them out.

1698
03:42:41,130 --> 03:42:41,130
and so that's why I'm kind of wondering what the sweet spot is,
Because I don't think the cost of money is going down anytime.

1699
03:42:49,640 --> 03:42:49,640
I mean, when you gave us, it was 6.17 when you gave it to us in may,
And then now we're at 6.03.

1700
03:42:56,560 --> 03:42:56,560
so it did come down a smidgen, but I don't necessarily think it's going to drop.

1701
03:43:01,960 --> 03:43:01,960
so I guess based on that, that's the that's the financial reality.

1702
03:43:06,600 --> 03:43:09,440
but let's talk about we live in political reality. And when everybody around this horseshoe has to run again,
There will be tremendous political pressure for you to pull that trigger no matter what,

1703
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:17,120
because it will fund their pension. And I'm just going to I don't I'm not running again.

1704
03:43:22,240 --> 03:43:22,240
so I'm just letting you know those associations will be saying,
Fund my pension pot, pull the trigger.

1705
03:43:28,480 --> 03:43:28,480
you can do it now. So I'm just putting that it's a political reality of the world we live
In.

1706
03:43:34,880 --> 03:43:34,880
and so be mindful because I get you want to have that ready to go when the market's right.

1707
03:43:40,840 --> 03:43:40,840
but we live in a different world and you have a world that you live in.

1708
03:43:45,160 --> 03:43:45,160
and I've been six years at this running for office,
And they have said that every time pobspobs,

1709
03:43:52,080 --> 03:43:52,080
would you support them? So I'm just saying you have it on the shelf ready to go.

1710
03:43:56,960 --> 03:43:56,960
the economy may not be ready for you to pull the trigger,
But politically you may be forced to.

1711
03:44:02,360 --> 03:44:02,360
and that's just a statement. I mean, I don't because this is that's the reality.

1712
03:44:07,480 --> 03:44:07,480
okay. On the fire station. I'm kind of trying to reconcile the statement saying it

1713
03:44:17,000 --> 03:44:17,000
was one of the most needed stations because. Hold on,
Let me find it right here.

1714
03:44:25,800 --> 03:44:25,800
it was the highest priority station for replacement,
But yet it wasn't in the 24 bond package.

1715
03:44:31,360 --> 03:44:31,360
I believe there was one in d six. That's going to be moved now to sixth year.

1716
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:36,160
so I'm trying to understand why it wasn't in and only it was hvac and electrical for less
Than $100,000.

1717
03:44:44,830 --> 03:44:44,830
okay, I'll try and address that. Good afternoon everyone.

1718
03:44:50,830 --> 03:44:50,830
station four has been on and off lists. It. I believe it was removed from the 2024 list.

1719
03:44:58,550 --> 03:45:02,470
it was on it, but it was removed because we weren't getting as many. We weren't going to get as many stations as anticipated.

1720
03:45:05,790 --> 03:45:05,790
but I have a list. I've got a memo. I'll send it to you from 2021.

1721
03:45:12,190 --> 03:45:12,190
and it was for replacement in 21, and it was number eight on the list.

1722
03:45:19,390 --> 03:45:19,390
and every station above it, I believe has been replaced.

1723
03:45:24,590 --> 03:45:24,590
it's it's 72 years old. It's the sixth busiest station in the city,
The,

1724
03:45:35,110 --> 03:45:35,110
in the top six, the other two, the other two number one 18 is downtown.

1725
03:45:43,750 --> 03:45:43,750
three's is number four. That's downtown. And you know it's number one on every list.

1726
03:45:52,190 --> 03:45:52,190
I have to be replaced. And we really need a station with more bays so that we can have
More apparatus there rather than

1727
03:46:01,750 --> 03:46:01,750
building additional stations downtown. We need a bigger station to double up on the
Apparatus.

1728
03:46:08,470 --> 03:46:11,430
so there's a better response to downtown dallas. So yeah, because it kind of goes into reduce the need for additional fire stations in the
In the area.

1729
03:46:16,670 --> 03:46:16,670
so will we we'll be eliminating one in the downtown area or.

1730
03:46:20,830 --> 03:46:20,830
okay. So then explain that statement. Yes. So we would have two engines,
Maybe two ambulances there,

1731
03:46:29,870 --> 03:46:29,870
which we've done at station 18 before because the downtown area is so busy it's not
Getting slower.

1732
03:46:36,830 --> 03:46:36,830
so we, we put extra apparatus there and when we put when we put another ambulance at 18,
I believe

1733
03:46:46,540 --> 03:46:50,260
18 was still the busiest ambulance. And they had two of them there. So there's a need. So does station number four.

1734
03:46:55,940 --> 03:46:55,940
I guess does it help with the bridge calls or is that a different situation?

1735
03:47:00,180 --> 03:47:02,500
I guess I'm trying to figure out there. Yeah. They they help with the bridge calls as well.

1736
03:47:04,460 --> 03:47:04,460
so can you get. Because I see that it's 90 almost 10,000 calls.

1737
03:47:08,620 --> 03:47:08,620
can you give me how many go to one location? In other words,
Let's isolate the bridge in their incidences.

1738
03:47:14,940 --> 03:47:17,180
and because then you get the whole the ecosystem. I'll give you a list of all their calls, but I don't have it in my memory.

1739
03:47:20,980 --> 03:47:20,980
right? You can just whenever, because I'm trying to understand how many of the 10,000 are,

1740
03:47:26,020 --> 03:47:29,580
are coming from the bridge. And then that's the remainder is downtown. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'll provide that because I mean,
I'm trying to, like I said,

1741
03:47:34,180 --> 03:47:37,420
understand the highest priority station for replacement. But yet it wasn't in 24. And you said you only got to choose one,
So you chose the 1 in 43 and not this one.

1742
03:47:45,500 --> 03:47:49,100
so I'm trying to understand why one came off. And when you kept saying it was the highest one and it was in 20,
Well, there's a current like so the,

1743
03:47:54,300 --> 03:47:54,300
the, the we begin with age, right? Normally the older the station,
The higher the priority will be.

1744
03:48:02,820 --> 03:48:02,820
but then there's a condition. So 43 is beat it out on condition the condition was worse
Than falls

1745
03:48:12,300 --> 03:48:12,300
then. So we're replacing 40 threes and and but falls is next up and I can provide

1746
03:48:22,300 --> 03:48:22,300
a current list and I can provide an old list where it was on,
Okay, where it's at number one on the list.

1747
03:48:29,460 --> 03:48:29,460
I mean, we are looking at probably trying to develop this part of downtown and that's and
Would it be to maybe be support that population growth as well.

1748
03:48:40,210 --> 03:48:40,210
yeah. I mean it's we need more. It's coming. We're going to need more apparatus.

1749
03:48:46,010 --> 03:48:46,010
that means a bigger station with more bays that can accommodate.

1750
03:48:50,330 --> 03:48:50,330
okay. On the enforcement training center at unt dallas.

1751
03:48:54,810 --> 03:48:58,290
and it's close, you know, north of 220 million. Is this going to be all. I mean, is unt dallas going to be putting in more any more
Additional funding to that,

1752
03:49:04,650 --> 03:49:04,650
or is it literally going to be us with the private and the state money?

1753
03:49:09,490 --> 03:49:09,490
thank you for that question. And councilwoman blackmon,
Based on the lease agreement that has now been executed with the university of north texas

1754
03:49:17,570 --> 03:49:17,570
at dallas, the commitment that they have is already built into the numbers.

1755
03:49:22,010 --> 03:49:22,010
and so the delta that dev shared already includes the the contribution from the
University.

1756
03:49:30,610 --> 03:49:30,610
now, I do want to note that as we continue to work through identifying additional ways to
Have more support for the

1757
03:49:40,290 --> 03:49:40,290
programs. I know that our fundraisers are on the ground every single day helping us.

1758
03:49:46,010 --> 03:49:46,010
we will be doing that. And so we will not stop because there will be continuation of,
Of needs that we'll have even hopefully once we get the facility open.

1759
03:49:53,770 --> 03:49:53,770
so the efforts around partnerships, I know that the chief has been working on additional
Partnerships to help us with the delivery of both of the facilities,

1760
03:50:02,850 --> 03:50:02,850
but the commitment from the university and the state right now is already built into the
Numbers doesn't mean we can't keep can't keep asking,

1761
03:50:09,930 --> 03:50:09,930
and we will. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Thank you. Mr.

1762
03:50:14,570 --> 03:50:18,410
bazaldua recognized for five minutes. Thank you mayor. Thank you all for the presentation. In 2024,
We asked the voters of this city to trust us with $1.25 billion.

1763
03:50:25,970 --> 03:50:25,970
they said yes. They believed us when we told them what the money would be.

1764
03:50:31,290 --> 03:50:31,290
streets. Parks, libraries, public safety facilities and homes.

1765
03:50:36,560 --> 03:50:36,560
that was a promise. And two years later we have appropriated less than half of it.

1766
03:50:41,400 --> 03:50:41,400
less than half. Now, before this program is even a third of the way through its five year
Runway,

1767
03:50:50,040 --> 03:50:50,040
we are being asked to authorize nearly $1 billion more.

1768
03:50:55,080 --> 03:50:55,080
not because our needs have changed overnight,
But because fiscal discipline has stopped being a priority in how the city plans itself.

1769
03:51:04,080 --> 03:51:04,080
let's talk about the law enforcement training center. When that project went to the voters
In 2024,

1770
03:51:09,560 --> 03:51:09,560
we told them the gap would be closed by state grants and private philanthropy.

1771
03:51:15,520 --> 03:51:15,520
that was the deal. That was what we said publicly on the record to all of the people that
We asked to go vote yes.

1772
03:51:23,560 --> 03:51:23,560
today, we're told the gap is 82 million. And the answer is put it on a bond that is not a
Funding strategy.

1773
03:51:32,590 --> 03:51:32,590
that's a broken promise. And every broken promise we make spins down the one asset this
Council cannot afford to lose the public's trust.

1774
03:51:44,190 --> 03:51:44,190
I'm not understanding how we just closed a very long,
Extensive process and conversation about our

1775
03:51:54,110 --> 03:51:54,110
bond. That was also a conversation with the public.

1776
03:51:58,470 --> 03:51:58,470
and none of this was brought forward. I don't understand how we had years of collaborative
Work with multiple entities

1777
03:52:08,630 --> 03:52:08,630
to talk about a solvency plan for the police and fire pension,
None of which included pension obligation bonds.

1778
03:52:16,990 --> 03:52:16,990
right now, the market tells you it is completely unfavorable for us to sell any pension
Obligation bonds.

1779
03:52:26,630 --> 03:52:26,630
so why are we sending it to the voters. It's hard enough for us to decipher and educate
Our voters with the language that is required by state law,

1780
03:52:35,750 --> 03:52:35,750
that will tell them that their tax rates will go up with these bonds.

1781
03:52:41,230 --> 03:52:41,230
but now we have to explain to them that we're asking you to approve half of $1 billion
That we may not ever even touch or use.

1782
03:52:48,790 --> 03:52:48,790
what's the point? When are we going to operate in transparency here?

1783
03:52:55,550 --> 03:52:55,550
half of $1 billion that we're not even going to need.

1784
03:53:00,390 --> 03:53:00,390
we don't need. It wasn't a part of our plan,
Wasn't a part of the pension board's plan wasn't what we turned into the state.

1785
03:53:07,670 --> 03:53:07,670
right now, the market doesn't even say that it's smart because we're not going to have a
Return on investment.

1786
03:53:13,270 --> 03:53:13,270
we have two uniform elections per state law every year that we can send this to the voters
For november and may.

1787
03:53:22,670 --> 03:53:22,670
why do we have the urgency to send this this month to meet a deadline to send it to the
Voters this november.

1788
03:53:30,300 --> 03:53:30,300
if there is no forecast in any soon time period that we would be selling these at a rate
Of

1789
03:53:40,180 --> 03:53:40,180
return, that makes sense to supplement for the plan that we all passed.

1790
03:53:48,420 --> 03:53:51,260
was that the question? It was a question. Thank you so much. And I'd like to just go back to the 2024 bond program around the public safety facilities,

1791
03:53:57,020 --> 03:54:00,100
and then we'll talk about the pob after that. So what I can tell you is that when I look at the bond dollars that were included that our
Voters approved for just the public safety training academy,

1792
03:54:09,300 --> 03:54:09,300
the 50 million, I cannot tell you what planning was done.

1793
03:54:13,740 --> 03:54:17,620
I cannot tell you what designs, what schematic pieces were in place. What I can tell you is that when I came into the position as the interim city manager,
The first question that I asked was,

1794
03:54:24,100 --> 03:54:27,820
how did we come up with the cost of what went into the bond program? And the answers were we didn't have any plans.

1795
03:54:31,020 --> 03:54:31,020
that's just all we could ask for over the period of the last couple of years.

1796
03:54:35,260 --> 03:54:35,260
council member. Bazaldua. And I do appreciate the comments because it has been a concern
How we got here.

1797
03:54:40,300 --> 03:54:43,660
how did we get to an amount in a bond program? And now I have a facility on a campus that council has asked us to move forward with,
With the state and with this partnership with the university of north texas at dallas.

1798
03:54:52,980 --> 03:54:56,820
and we we don't have the funding to close the gap. We have looked at every way possible to be able to not have to do this,
To not have to ask for any additional funding to build this academy.

1799
03:55:04,980 --> 03:55:04,980
and I'm only talking about the academy right now. But what we do realize is that the
Market has changed.

1800
03:55:09,940 --> 03:55:09,940
so you're absolutely correct. The cost of the delivery of this academy now,
Whatever the planning was prior to 2024,

1801
03:55:17,940 --> 03:55:17,940
our reality today is that we would be delivering some classroom new spaces,
But not what the needs of the department currently are.

1802
03:55:25,770 --> 03:55:25,770
and so what we're providing today is a recommendation and definitely want to proceed.

1803
03:55:31,450 --> 03:55:31,450
as I've said many, many times today. Council can accept what staff is presenting.

1804
03:55:36,090 --> 03:55:36,090
you can reject what staff is presenting, or you can modify it and tell us to do something
Totally different. But I am very sensitive to the fact that we know that over the last

1805
03:55:44,170 --> 03:55:44,170
couple of years, we have not been able to close the gap on the academy through all of the
Value engineering that I have asked for this team to do.

1806
03:55:52,810 --> 03:55:52,810
come back and find every possible way to not have to ask the voters for anything else.

1807
03:55:57,730 --> 03:55:57,730
and based on our work to this point, that is the current gap.

1808
03:56:02,850 --> 03:56:02,850
I'm not going to blame anyone. I don't know if there were assumptions that were made that
Did not become real,

1809
03:56:12,690 --> 03:56:12,690
but the reality today is that that is kind of where we are,
And we will continue to proceed as council directs on the pob.

1810
03:56:21,850 --> 03:56:21,850
I do want to make sure that council knows that through all of the conversations and the
Negotiations that I was a part of,

1811
03:56:28,570 --> 03:56:28,570
and that many of those negotiations happened outside of this space.

1812
03:56:32,970 --> 03:56:32,970
there was a constant push about pobs and how it had been utilized before for our civilians
Through the erf.

1813
03:56:41,170 --> 03:56:41,170
we didn't say yes. We didn't say no. What we said was this council made a very bold
Decision of finally solving the

1814
03:56:50,650 --> 03:56:50,650
pension issue. This council did that and that if anybody was going to help us identify
Other tools going forward to make sure that when that general fund

1815
03:57:00,450 --> 03:57:00,450
impact gets even bigger than what it is today,
We know that we're going to be in a situation where the majority of our general fund will

1816
03:57:08,810 --> 03:57:08,810
be pretty much at capacity from just pension payments and salaries and all of the other
Services that we know that our residents are going to depend on.

1817
03:57:17,490 --> 03:57:17,490
we are not going to be in a good place. So for us,
It's about planning.

1818
03:57:21,680 --> 03:57:21,680
we understand that the market does not it's not as favorable as we would want it to be
Right now.

1819
03:57:27,600 --> 03:57:27,600
but what we were trying to do is to make sure that going forward,
A future council didn't take it as seriously as this council has and that that

1820
03:57:36,520 --> 03:57:40,160
authorization was in place. So I do appreciate your comments about it. I think if council wants to not do it, that is your decision.

1821
03:57:43,920 --> 03:57:43,920
we're just coming and saying, hey, we know, we know what the forecasts are looking like,
And we believe that this would be a tool that if anybody's going to do it,

1822
03:57:51,880 --> 03:57:51,880
it's going to be this body that helps us plan for the future,
But we understand the sensitivities around it.

1823
03:57:57,640 --> 03:57:57,640
we don't want to look like we've you know, I've heard comments about how we we've already
Used the $50 million a different way and didn't do the academy.

1824
03:58:06,600 --> 03:58:06,600
first of all, that's not true. And we are trying to find every way possible to not only
Honor that commitment,

1825
03:58:13,280 --> 03:58:13,280
but to also make sure that the public clearly understands where we are and what we are
Trying to deliver with the academy,

1826
03:58:20,240 --> 03:58:20,240
as well as the public safety complex. There are things that we know we could have never
Built on that college campus.

1827
03:58:25,800 --> 03:58:25,800
I don't know what the thinking was, but we know that those things cannot happen on that
College campus.

1828
03:58:31,160 --> 03:58:33,360
and that's just the reality of where we are today. So but thank you for your comments because I know everybody's trying to do the right thing
And we appreciate that.

1829
03:58:38,680 --> 03:58:38,680
jackie, if you want to do anything further on the pobs,
We see it as a planning tool and an opportunity for us to think ahead,

1830
03:58:47,640 --> 03:58:47,640
not to do anything that would be detrimental to any future bond programs.

1831
03:58:52,960 --> 03:58:52,960
and we did talk to the negotiators that if that was something that would be done,
It would have to be done at the right time,

1832
03:59:00,160 --> 03:59:03,200
and we would be asking counsel for when that time was right. That's how we left the negotiations. I do want to add,
In terms of the timing as it relates to the law enforcement training

1833
03:59:12,920 --> 03:59:12,920
center. Those dollars are needed. In fiscal year 27,
In order for us to meet the, the planned

1834
03:59:22,350 --> 03:59:22,350
commitment of you know, having that facility completely open by the summer.

1835
03:59:27,630 --> 03:59:27,630
well, I'll just go back to my comments several months ago and that this is why we usually
Have funding figured out before we schedule a groundbreaking of a project,

1836
03:59:36,710 --> 03:59:36,710
but we haven't necessarily done this project the way we do everything else in this city,
Which is definitely concerning.

1837
03:59:44,230 --> 03:59:44,230
I know that you mentioned that pobs were discussed so was exhausting our portfolio of
Assets and we've done nothing to monetize our assets.

1838
03:59:54,590 --> 03:59:54,590
I'm talking about history repeating itself and something that we have to be cognizant of,
Something that we have proven time and time again,

1839
04:00:01,830 --> 04:00:05,030
and that is that we do not live within our means in this city. That's absolutely the case. We are living outside of our means and we are taking out
Credit to do it.

1840
04:00:14,190 --> 04:00:14,190
and meanwhile, we're going to allow for history to repeat itself.

1841
04:00:18,990 --> 04:00:18,990
the big debate we're having is we can't take care of the building that we're in right now.

1842
04:00:24,070 --> 04:00:24,070
we can't take care of the assets that exist around our city.

1843
04:00:28,510 --> 04:00:28,510
so let's just go back to the voters and ask you to pour in more hundreds of millions of
Dollars to new,

1844
04:00:33,630 --> 04:00:33,630
shiny things that we can't promise you we will take care of because of our track record.

1845
04:00:39,470 --> 04:00:42,190
that's the honest conversation that we're having here. I'm adamantly opposed to this. I think it is absolutely fiscally irresponsible,
And I can't wait to campaign against this.

1846
04:00:49,630 --> 04:00:49,630
if this campaign, if this council supports it and sends it to the voters,
And I absolutely will not be voting for it as a voter,

1847
04:00:56,110 --> 04:00:59,590
and I hope voters will, will, will follow suit. Thank you, mr. Roth. You recognize for five minutes.

1848
04:01:03,870 --> 04:01:03,870
thank you. What what does it typically cost to to have a bond election as a as a process
And as the

1849
04:01:13,580 --> 04:01:17,140
election is. Do we have any sort of estimate on that? And again, it doesn't have to be a hard figure.

1850
04:01:19,660 --> 04:01:19,660
so billy ray may be able to help me here. I think the the cost of the election is about
$1.3 million or thereabouts.

1851
04:01:27,260 --> 04:01:27,260
that's what we have in the budget, about 1.6 in our budget,
1.6.

1852
04:01:31,620 --> 04:01:31,620
that would that would be something that would have to be in november if we had that
Election.

1853
04:01:37,500 --> 04:01:40,180
it's budgeted for this november, for this november. Okay. And the, the. The amount of the bonds,
Are we limited because of

1854
04:01:50,140 --> 04:01:50,140
our capacity for a certain amount of money that we can ask the voters for at this point.

1855
04:01:57,580 --> 04:01:57,580
no, sir, there's not a limit. For example dallas isd just asked for $6 billion,
And they cannot borrow $6 billion at one time.

1856
04:02:07,620 --> 04:02:11,180
their plan is to issue those bonds over ten years. Is there is there a communication? When I'm looking at how much we include,
I am modeling the 24

1857
04:02:21,020 --> 04:02:21,020
bond program since 2023. I have modeled $500 million of pension obligation bonds because
That has been the conversation.

1858
04:02:30,180 --> 04:02:30,180
I'm now modeling an additional $460 million for this public safety focus which would allow
Us to have about $1 billion bond

1859
04:02:40,140 --> 04:02:40,140
program in 2029. Again, these are just getting authorization.

1860
04:02:44,780 --> 04:02:48,340
the question is, how much can we borrow each year? And that is a basis that's based upon how much growth we have in the tax base,
What our outstanding debt is those sorts of things.

1861
04:02:56,620 --> 04:02:56,620
so we look at that each year and make decisions about how much we're going to ask council
To approve on an annual authorization.

1862
04:03:07,650 --> 04:03:07,650
but as far as a limit on what you ask the voters,
No, dallas county asked for 6 billion, and then it's dallas isd.

1863
04:03:14,890 --> 04:03:14,890
sorry. Right. And then it's our responsibility as the fiduciaries to approve the
Authorization of the bond financing based on the

1864
04:03:24,770 --> 04:03:24,770
recommendation of our financial staff, our consultants,
And to see whether it makes common sense.

1865
04:03:30,890 --> 04:03:30,890
and if interest rates go from 6% down to 3%,
We want to be in a position that we can do this.

1866
04:03:38,210 --> 04:03:38,210
if the interest rates go from 6% to 9%, we should we we were saying we should have been,
And we don't have any opportunity.

1867
04:03:46,850 --> 04:03:49,650
then shame on us for not being prepared for that. And if they go that high, you may choose to not issue your general obligation bonds until
They come back down because the cost is too high.

1868
04:03:55,970 --> 04:03:55,970
right. And so my point is, this is my question to you all.

1869
04:04:00,730 --> 04:04:00,730
this is really the discussion is fiscally responsibility of this body to make sure that
Once we approve things

1870
04:04:10,640 --> 04:04:10,640
that that the people in these seats are taking this stuff seriously.

1871
04:04:14,920 --> 04:04:14,920
it's not for us to be afraid that our successors are going to be irresponsible.

1872
04:04:20,400 --> 04:04:20,400
what we need to do is, is look for the money,
Find out that we have the ability to fund stuff.

1873
04:04:27,000 --> 04:04:27,000
this, to me is like trying to establish a line of credit.

1874
04:04:31,520 --> 04:04:31,520
it's giving us the authority from the citizens to to have money for specific types of
Projects

1875
04:04:41,640 --> 04:04:41,640
that benefit our citizens. And I think that the public safety is something as a citizen,
I want to make sure we have.

1876
04:04:51,200 --> 04:04:51,200
I think that I want to make sure that we have a fire station that's going to be the right
Thing.

1877
04:04:55,920 --> 04:04:59,840
I want to make sure that we have the right place to have evidence and stuff. I want to make sure that we have the right the right facilities.

1878
04:05:04,640 --> 04:05:04,640
however, I want to make sure that we're doing it in the right costs and to to council
Member bazaldua his point.

1879
04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:14,000
the issue is not on whether we should be spending the money.

1880
04:05:19,240 --> 04:05:19,240
it's how do we establish what we're spending and how much we're spending it on.

1881
04:05:24,360 --> 04:05:27,680
and we have the control of that because these are not specific. These are item line item types of projects. It's the the definition on the on

1882
04:05:37,440 --> 04:05:37,440
the propositions. Does that give us some broad authority to,
To allocate funds into different

1883
04:05:46,920 --> 04:05:50,560
buckets within the categories that we're talking to? For example, if we can't afford a certain item,
We can, we don't have to do it, or we can use those funds for something else

1884
04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:00,560
in that same in category being specifically police,
Fire, emergency, etc..

1885
04:06:06,390 --> 04:06:06,390
is that correct or am I misunderstanding? Yeah,
No, that that is correct.

1886
04:06:10,470 --> 04:06:10,470
we cannot move dollars from one proposition to another.

1887
04:06:16,270 --> 04:06:16,270
but as long as the project meets the definition,
This is why, for example, the the facility maintenance is not

1888
04:06:25,990 --> 04:06:25,990
part of proposition a, it is a separate proposition because while the work there does
Support public safety vehicles,

1889
04:06:34,990 --> 04:06:34,990
it is not the full, you know, intended use of that facility.

1890
04:06:39,950 --> 04:06:39,950
and so that's why we have two propositions. That's why you know,
In the 2024 bond program,

1891
04:06:46,150 --> 04:06:46,150
we have ten separate propositions so that we categorize projects in certain ways to make
Sure that they fit within,

1892
04:06:54,230 --> 04:06:54,230
within the, the bond language. And you know,
Jenny and her team worked with bond council to craft this bond language in such a way that

1893
04:07:02,870 --> 04:07:02,870
we're able to utilize these dollars appropriately.

1894
04:07:07,270 --> 04:07:07,270
my, my, I appreciate the answer. It my issue here is that I think one of the problems
We've had in the past,

1895
04:07:16,270 --> 04:07:16,270
it looks like to me, is that we've under funded our bond programs.

1896
04:07:21,950 --> 04:07:21,950
we have not identified enough monies for stuff.

1897
04:07:25,990 --> 04:07:25,990
and as a result, we're short on stuff because of the the possibilities.

1898
04:07:30,950 --> 04:07:30,950
and I'm, I'm concerned that we've, we've gotten a report recently from parks that they've
Got 40 rec centers that don't have air

1899
04:07:40,630 --> 04:07:40,630
conditioning. That's a $20 million potential expense.

1900
04:07:45,070 --> 04:07:45,070
we've got libraries that need a capital item.

1901
04:07:51,230 --> 04:07:51,230
these are all capital costs, not operation costs that need could use 20 or $30 million.

1902
04:07:57,190 --> 04:07:57,190
it seems to me this crime room deal. We've got an $80,000,
$80 million delta that.

1903
04:08:03,220 --> 04:08:03,220
if we can't use the facility, we should maybe we may have to go to a second position to
Get $80 million.

1904
04:08:09,420 --> 04:08:09,420
we have $100 million that we should be allocating for this building,
And we should do it.

1905
04:08:15,420 --> 04:08:15,420
so and I know it sounds it from a from a standpoint that I've been proposing as being
Fiscally conservative.

1906
04:08:23,260 --> 04:08:23,260
I know it sounds weird, but I think we're not borrowing enough.

1907
04:08:27,740 --> 04:08:27,740
I think we need to have 600 million or 700 million in general obligation so that our line
Of credit is secured.

1908
04:08:37,860 --> 04:08:37,860
and I think we need to ask the voters to say,
Look, you got to you got to if this is stuff that's important to the voters,

1909
04:08:45,980 --> 04:08:49,020
I'm a voter. I want to make sure that we have good libraries. I want to make sure we have good rec centers.

1910
04:08:50,980 --> 04:08:50,980
I want to make sure we have a good police academy,
And I want to make sure that we got the money available if we need it,

1911
04:08:57,980 --> 04:09:01,220
and if it's not appropriate, we're not going to take it down. I'll I'll reserve my comments for some other comments later.

1912
04:09:05,660 --> 04:09:05,660
chairman ridley, you recognized for five minutes. Thank you,
Mr. Mayor.

1913
04:09:09,780 --> 04:09:09,780
I want to open by saying that I agree with councilman bazaldua.

1914
04:09:14,940 --> 04:09:18,820
but everything you said, we are not living within our means. We have forgotten the imperative from just two years ago when we adopted a billion and a
Quarter dollar bond program,

1915
04:09:26,220 --> 04:09:26,220
that that money was going to be devoted to fixing our existing infrastructure rather than
Buying new bottles.

1916
04:09:34,420 --> 04:09:34,420
but here we are two years later. That's what all this money is going to.

1917
04:09:39,700 --> 04:09:39,700
so I have some questions for you, jack. Assuming that we approve these pension obligation
Bonds for $500 million and we sell the first

1918
04:09:49,220 --> 04:09:49,220
tranche, which I think you said was 100 or 100.25 million.

1919
04:09:53,300 --> 04:09:53,300
what happens to that money immediately. Do we just dump that into the pension bond,
The pension fund,

1920
04:10:01,490 --> 04:10:01,490
or do we just use that to constitute our annual obligated payments to that fund?

1921
04:10:11,770 --> 04:10:11,770
the proceeds from issuing pension obligation bonds would be transferred to the dallas
Police and fire pension system for them to invest.

1922
04:10:20,730 --> 04:10:20,730
and we would use that to our actuaries would come up with a reduction to our unfunded
Liability amortization over 30 years.

1923
04:10:30,170 --> 04:10:30,170
so we have a 30 year amortization of the unfunded liability,
And they would go and apply that to that 30 years and reduce it.

1924
04:10:39,450 --> 04:10:39,450
so in other words, we'd be making advanced payments over what we're obligated to make to
The pension board,

1925
04:10:45,290 --> 04:10:45,290
and it would reduce our annual payments. Therefore,
Because right now we are making annual contributions based on a 30 year amortization

1926
04:10:55,090 --> 04:10:55,090
schedule of the unfunded liability, plus the normal cost.

1927
04:10:59,730 --> 04:10:59,730
if you reduce the unfunded liability, you would have some level of savings each year on
What your contribution is.

1928
04:11:07,250 --> 04:11:07,250
well, I have about a 10% confidence rate that we can ever expect.

1929
04:11:14,090 --> 04:11:14,090
consistent returns from the pension board of over 6.5%.

1930
04:11:21,170 --> 04:11:21,170
their past performance is terrible, and they might be able to make 9% one year.

1931
04:11:27,770 --> 04:11:27,770
but to be able to achieve six and a half consistently year after year,
To make it worthwhile for us to sell these bonds,

1932
04:11:36,170 --> 04:11:36,170
I just don't have that confidence. Now, in your calculation of the 2% spread,
Did you include the bond fees,

1933
04:11:44,130 --> 04:11:44,130
which can be quite substantial, or did you just look at the interest rate delta?

1934
04:11:48,410 --> 04:11:48,410
I was just looking at interest rate delta. So what would the bond fees be?

1935
04:11:52,920 --> 04:11:55,160
I could work with financial advisors on that. I did talk to the financial advisors on the spread,
And we thought that was appropriate, but I can get you more detail.

1936
04:12:00,960 --> 04:12:04,560
well, that could be millions of dollars, isn't it? Yes,
Sir. Well, I think we ought to consider that before we make a decision on this.

1937
04:12:12,880 --> 04:12:12,880
I think we're taking a huge risk if we're going to consider selling half $1 billion worth
Of bond funds to dump

1938
04:12:22,520 --> 04:12:22,520
into the pension board with no assurance that they're going to be able to make more than a
6% rate.

1939
04:12:30,400 --> 04:12:30,400
and my other concern is that if we get voter approval for these bonds,
Doesn't that block us from

1940
04:12:40,720 --> 04:12:40,720
selling general obligation bonds on our regular 5 to 7 year cycle going forward?

1941
04:12:48,040 --> 04:12:51,760
no, sir. It wouldn't prevent you from doing that. It would. We would model it based upon. When we thought we would issue the debt to
Determine what other capacity we would have.

1942
04:12:59,760 --> 04:12:59,760
but it doesn't. Just because you have authorization,
You still are able to issue your other debt.

1943
04:13:08,520 --> 04:13:08,520
so in other words, if we approve this half billion,
Well, this billion dollar bond program in 2026,

1944
04:13:17,600 --> 04:13:17,600
and we get to 2029 when we would normally be considering the next general obligation bond
Program,

1945
04:13:25,680 --> 04:13:25,680
we would still be able to undertake another billion dollar bond program.

1946
04:13:31,640 --> 04:13:31,640
wouldn't we have exhausted our bonding ceiling by doing that?

1947
04:13:36,640 --> 04:13:36,640
no, sir. And so see if we can pull up slide 20.

1948
04:13:41,600 --> 04:13:41,600
and on slide 20 you'll see what are in the far right hand part of the chart.

1949
04:13:48,870 --> 04:13:48,870
in the light blue, we have the 2024 geo bonds that are $750 million not yet issued.

1950
04:13:57,190 --> 04:13:57,190
that's still authorized $500 million, assuming that's what we had in pension obligation
Bonds,

1951
04:14:02,870 --> 04:14:06,750
the $460 million in additional public safety. And then there's $1 billion shown for a 2029 bond program.

1952
04:14:11,270 --> 04:14:11,270
now, you the same as dallas isd. As I've referenced several times,
They have sought authorization for a lot more than they

1953
04:14:21,150 --> 04:14:21,150
can issue in one year. So it's a question of us working on the capacity each year.

1954
04:14:28,590 --> 04:14:28,590
so if something happened in 2028 that we were not going to issue the $125 million of
Pension obligation bonds,

1955
04:14:37,070 --> 04:14:37,070
even though that's how I currently have it modeled,
You would just delay that, and that would give you additional capacity to to issue more of

1956
04:14:45,510 --> 04:14:45,510
the 2024 bond program earlier. Well, the point I'm making is if we issue these pension
Obligation bonds,

1957
04:14:52,230 --> 04:14:52,230
that precludes us from any general obligation bond program in 29.

1958
04:14:56,750 --> 04:14:56,750
if you actually issue them, it affects it's only affecting how much you can issue in any
Given year.

1959
04:15:03,590 --> 04:15:07,550
it doesn't prevent you from being able to have a 29 bond program. And well, we could have a bond program, but we couldn't sell the bonds until after we had
Issued all of the pension obligation bonds.

1960
04:15:15,990 --> 04:15:15,990
if you. That's I'm sorry. Again, on the chart on slide 20,
You can see that we start issuing 2029 bonds in

1961
04:15:26,110 --> 04:15:26,110
2030, fiscal year 2030, and then in 2031 and through 34,
We're able to issue that even with the 500 million,

1962
04:15:35,270 --> 04:15:35,270
if something happens that the market doesn't change and we don't issue 125 over those four
Year periods for the pension obligation bonds,

1963
04:15:44,180 --> 04:15:44,180
then you could issue more of the 29 bonds. You can do them quicker.

1964
04:15:50,700 --> 04:15:50,700
I'm getting to the total on the far right hand column,
And that's how much we can issue each year.

1965
04:15:56,500 --> 04:15:56,500
what do you want to issue it for? A combination of 24 bonds,
Some pension obligation bonds,

1966
04:16:02,660 --> 04:16:02,660
some public safety. But right now in our model,
We can afford $352 million in fiscal year 27,

1967
04:16:10,820 --> 04:16:10,820
489 million in fiscal year 28, 478 million in fiscal year 29.

1968
04:16:17,620 --> 04:16:17,620
and we look out our model projects, you know,
25 plus years of what we're going to be able to afford each and every year,

1969
04:16:26,700 --> 04:16:26,700
because the debt that we pay, the once we borrow the funds,
We pay on those bonds for a 20 year period.

1970
04:16:33,580 --> 04:16:33,580
and I keep account and looking forward on all of those 20 years until the bonds are paid
Off.

1971
04:16:41,210 --> 04:16:41,210
now moving on with regard to the fire station,
I don't understand why we can't add a fifth bay to the existing

1972
04:16:50,690 --> 04:16:50,690
station, or, since we are already in the process of relocating the other downtown station
In the griffin avenue corridor.

1973
04:17:00,730 --> 04:17:00,730
why we can't design that to have an additional bay if that's really what we need.

1974
04:17:06,090 --> 04:17:06,090
why do we have to start from scratch with another a second all new fire station downtown?

1975
04:17:12,450 --> 04:17:12,450
just because we need a fifth bay. Fire department,
Where are you?

1976
04:17:40,330 --> 04:17:40,330
sorry, what was the question? Well, we're already in the process of relocating fire
Station 18.

1977
04:17:47,090 --> 04:17:47,090
a land swap, so we'll have a brand new fire station downtown.

1978
04:17:51,650 --> 04:17:51,650
why aren't we designing that building? To have the capacity,
The additional capacity that you need that you say.

1979
04:17:58,930 --> 04:17:58,930
instead, we need to tear down 43 and rebuild a whole new structure there because.

1980
04:18:05,410 --> 04:18:05,410
so that's the reason for replacing the station is not the base.

1981
04:18:10,850 --> 04:18:10,850
like that's just an added thing. It's 72 years old.

1982
04:18:17,250 --> 04:18:17,250
it's number one on our list to be replaced. And,
You know, we got 59 stations and we cannot just keep kicking it down the

1983
04:18:27,090 --> 04:18:27,090
street like we have to replace stations or we're going to have a lot of problems in the
Future.

1984
04:18:33,490 --> 04:18:33,490
a fire station is that's it's built differently today than it used to be.

1985
04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:40,880
it used used to be more like a house. Now it's got a decontamination area.

1986
04:18:48,360 --> 04:18:48,360
it's totally different. These these stations don't last 72 years.

1987
04:18:53,920 --> 04:18:53,920
not generally. They've got fire trucks that weigh 50,000 pounds that are coming in and out
All day.

1988
04:19:04,200 --> 04:19:04,200
they have 36 people, 36 firefighters living there,
24 over seven, like 12 at a time.

1989
04:19:13,080 --> 04:19:13,080
and it's, it's old and we have to replace some of these stations.

1990
04:19:19,800 --> 04:19:22,680
now chief salazar's got some additional information. Councilman ridley daniel salazar, assistant chief with this land swap the parcel of land
That we're obtaining to build replacement station

1991
04:19:32,720 --> 04:19:32,720
18. Typically when we build new fire stations,
We want enough space to build a one story fire station with this

1992
04:19:42,400 --> 04:19:42,400
particular new replacement station. It's a two story fire station because we just don't
Have the area to make it a one story.

1993
04:19:49,800 --> 04:19:49,800
so we're we're a little bit confined with that space,
But we've designed it with architects to make it suit our needs.

1994
04:19:57,560 --> 04:19:57,560
we will have the same set of equipment at that fire station with a truck and engine to
Ambulances and our respiratory protection program

1995
04:20:07,880 --> 04:20:07,880
housed at that fire station. Well, I think there are exceptions to your age out rule,
Chief.

1996
04:20:15,360 --> 04:20:15,360
paul. Fire station 11 in my district. The oldest one in the city is over 100 years old.

1997
04:20:23,080 --> 04:20:23,080
and I've been there. I've visited with the fire staff there.

1998
04:20:27,280 --> 04:20:27,280
they love the building. They love being in the old building.

1999
04:20:31,400 --> 04:20:31,400
and I just don't understand this mentality of,
Well, it's over 70 years old.

2000
04:20:36,910 --> 04:20:36,910
we got to trash it and start over again. So you know,
When you go in a housing development,

2001
04:20:43,110 --> 04:20:43,110
they're not they're not all built the same. Some builders build them different than
Others.

2002
04:20:48,110 --> 04:20:48,110
station station 11 and station 31, I believe they're the only two stations that are older
Than fours.

2003
04:20:58,590 --> 04:20:58,590
it's probably a different build. I don't know,
But their condition is remarkably they've,

2004
04:21:05,270 --> 04:21:05,270
they've held up remarkably well compared to station four.

2005
04:21:09,830 --> 04:21:09,830
like I said earlier, we go by primarily age,
But then there's the condition and

2006
04:21:20,510 --> 04:21:20,510
station 11 is also is historic and we are remodeling it,
Which is very expensive also.

2007
04:21:30,870 --> 04:21:30,870
but fours forces. Forces in much worse condition.

2008
04:21:35,030 --> 04:21:35,030
like I said they're not all created equal. Age is just part of it.

2009
04:21:40,830 --> 04:21:40,830
some of it is how it was built originally. So with my remaining time city manager,
I have a question for

2010
04:21:50,430 --> 04:21:50,430
you about the training center. You mentioned in your last comments that you had engaged
And exhausted opportunities for value engineering

2011
04:22:00,470 --> 04:22:00,470
to reduce the cost. This is the first that I have ever heard that there were efforts to
Reduce the cost,

2012
04:22:07,430 --> 04:22:11,230
despite my entreaties to do that on numerous occasions. So I'd like to know what exactly you have been able to do to reduce the cost,
Which seems to escalate every time we turn around.

2013
04:22:20,910 --> 04:22:20,910
thank you so much for the question. Council member. Really,
And I do appreciate it. So I'll have dev to go into a little bit more detail,

2014
04:22:27,590 --> 04:22:31,100
but there were several things that I think we started out with. There were part of the academy that after we went back,
Worked more closely with the department that we were able to remove.

2015
04:22:36,860 --> 04:22:36,860
I think there was a conversation publicly some months ago regarding I believe there was an
Auditorium that was included as part of the design.

2016
04:22:46,220 --> 04:22:46,220
after going back and even getting the feedback from the city council,
Those were the types of things that we removed from the programs.

2017
04:22:52,420 --> 04:22:52,420
and I'll have jenny go into a little bit more detail,
But we looked at what are the absolute most important things that are needed in that basic

2018
04:23:01,540 --> 04:23:01,540
academy. We also know that our team members toured and had a chance to go see other
Academies around the country for cities that are comparable to the city of dallas.

2019
04:23:11,420 --> 04:23:14,460
and there were things that we were able to adjust along the way. But jaynie, if you want to talk about some of the ways that we've looked at the overall
Value engineering of the project and some of the things that we were able to remove,

2020
04:23:23,060 --> 04:23:23,060
because that has been council member really what we've been doing over the last year.

2021
04:23:28,540 --> 04:23:28,540
sure. And thank you for the question. So one of the things that we did early on was look
At the ceiling height for the classrooms in the buildings,

2022
04:23:36,700 --> 04:23:40,260
because we it was a very lovely building with very tall ceilings. But, but it was, it was too much. So those were actually lowered a little bit,
I think two feet.

2023
04:23:47,340 --> 04:23:50,260
I'd have to go back and get the exact details on that. So we looked at that, there were some material changes that had that we had,
You know, switched out to just lower the cost on,

2024
04:23:59,500 --> 04:24:02,420
on general materials throughout the, the site. And then there were some landscaping issues or not issues,
But amenities that, that we've also looked at reducing or or changing

2025
04:24:12,300 --> 04:24:12,300
out how, how we did it. I think it initially some of the landscaping was specked out at
Much larger trees,

2026
04:24:19,340 --> 04:24:23,340
bushes, shrubs. So that would be, you know, really lush when they moved in. But, you know, you could space out the trees and have,
You know, a much smaller gallon size.

2027
04:24:28,490 --> 04:24:31,090
and so that that helped reduce the cost as well. So we, we have been looking throughout the course of this project on how to best deliver
With the money that we have.

2028
04:24:38,930 --> 04:24:38,930
we're looking for. Miss kennedy recognized for five minutes.

2029
04:24:47,130 --> 04:24:47,130
thank you, mr. Mayor. First, I want to thank chief ball and the city manager for working
On getting the air condition fixed on two of my fire stations,

2030
04:24:54,450 --> 04:24:54,450
16 and 42, which is one of the things I want to bring up,
Is that 42 will be pushed back.

2031
04:25:01,890 --> 04:25:01,890
so if there is any way to move it forward I would appreciate looking at that.

2032
04:25:08,970 --> 04:25:08,970
and if I remember correctly, the, that fire station was moved up in the bond because it
Was hit by a tornado.

2033
04:25:15,130 --> 04:25:15,130
and that's why it was moved up in the list over some of the other fire stations.

2034
04:25:21,330 --> 04:25:21,330
in regards to the property room, I found out last wednesday that district six was being
Considered was being considered for a new location for the property room on bill big.

2035
04:25:30,450 --> 04:25:30,450
and in april 15th, the briefing talked about this being potentially divested.

2036
04:25:36,330 --> 04:25:36,330
but I know working here that every department signs off and they're asked if the property
Is needed or not.

2037
04:25:42,930 --> 04:25:42,930
and so I understand that this property is potentially needed.

2038
04:25:47,170 --> 04:25:47,170
and so for my residents, I would like to ask some questions about the the property room so
That they will know what will what could potentially be moving there.

2039
04:25:57,770 --> 04:25:57,770
yes, ma'am. We will have our wonderful property room team come out.

2040
04:26:06,330 --> 04:26:06,330
and if you've not had an opportunity to visit the property room,
We would welcome that opportunity.

2041
04:26:11,330 --> 04:26:14,850
councilwoman thank you for going out recently to see it. I know that there have been others. Councilwoman. Mendelsohn is very well councilwoman
Chair mendelsohn is very well aware of the current condition of the the the property

2042
04:26:24,600 --> 04:26:24,600
room. Councilwoman wants to ask some questions about the the current setup that we have
Right now.

2043
04:26:33,160 --> 04:26:33,160
yeah. And major hawkes, you were wonderful in giving me a tour last week,
But just for residents who maybe don't know what happens at the property room,

2044
04:26:41,640 --> 04:26:41,640
if you could just give a brief overview of what happens there.

2045
04:26:45,920 --> 04:26:45,920
yeah. So currently my name is chris hawkins. I'm the division commander over the property
Room and the auto pound.

2046
04:26:54,080 --> 04:26:54,080
so basically we service our citizens who have had their property either confiscated or
Seized,

2047
04:27:04,120 --> 04:27:04,120
or maybe the property was involved in an offense or an individual got arrested and they
Have to go pick up their prisoner property from the,

2048
04:27:12,520 --> 04:27:12,520
from the auto, from the property room. So we service citizens,
We service our police officers,

2049
04:27:18,600 --> 04:27:18,600
we service the da's. We service our detectives who are getting ready to take evidence to
Court,

2050
04:27:24,840 --> 04:27:24,840
and then we service other law enforcement agencies if property is recovered within the
City of dallas.

2051
04:27:31,800 --> 04:27:31,800
and what are the hours of the facility? The hours of our property unit is going to be 7
A.m.

2052
04:27:40,470 --> 04:27:40,470
to 7 p.m.. Tuesday through friday, and then saturdays,
8 a.m.

2053
04:27:47,910 --> 04:27:50,880
to 3 p.m.. So we're closed sundays and mondays. And do officers from all over the city come to drop off evidence at the property room?

2054
04:27:56,120 --> 04:27:56,120
they do. It's a 24 hour operation, and we currently have about 50 employees that staff the
Property unit for 24 hours a day.

2055
04:28:04,880 --> 04:28:04,880
so I asked a couple of officers and they said that it actually officers,
If they're in route to the property room,

2056
04:28:12,400 --> 04:28:12,400
sometimes they may stop and take care of some of some issues that they may see along the
Route.

2057
04:28:17,520 --> 04:28:17,520
so it's actually increasing some of the police patrol in the area with the property room.

2058
04:28:23,070 --> 04:28:23,070
so dev or I'm not sure. Jennifer, can you tell me maybe what y'all are looking at doing on
The site if this is chosen,

2059
04:28:33,070 --> 04:28:33,070
because I think there may be an alternate site as well,
But if, if the building site is chosen.

2060
04:28:39,030 --> 04:28:39,030
sure. And thank you for the question. So there would be the two facilities that aren't
There now would be moved onto that site.

2061
04:28:46,070 --> 04:28:48,950
so the property room and then the crime scene. Right now potentially those could be in one building and that the auto pound,
The building that they have now we would look at renovating that and instead of having to

2062
04:28:58,750 --> 04:28:58,750
demo and rebuild, that would probably be our first option and that we would look at and
See if that's a possibility.

2063
04:29:04,510 --> 04:29:04,510
so as part of that, we would need to build some structured parking for,
To, to cover for the evidence vehicles that are there.

2064
04:29:13,750 --> 04:29:13,750
and I think those were the major components that we'd be looking at.

2065
04:29:18,420 --> 04:29:18,420
okay. I think, you know, after going on my tour and just learning more about the property
Room,

2066
04:29:25,540 --> 04:29:25,540
definitely we need a replacement. I do ask just as we move forward that we continue to
Look and make sure that,

2067
04:29:33,580 --> 04:29:33,580
you know, there's safety and security there. It is not too far from a residential area.

2068
04:29:38,780 --> 04:29:38,780
but I know we'll see an increase patrol in that area.

2069
04:29:43,860 --> 04:29:43,860
and also because there was some nuisance before,
That's actually how I think we were going to divest the property because there were tow

2070
04:29:52,020 --> 04:29:52,020
trucks that were leaving vehicles all throughout the neighborhood. And so I just want to
Make sure that as we look at the property room possibly moving here,

2071
04:30:00,980 --> 04:30:00,980
that we are looking at safety and security, and if people come by bus,
Maybe having the bus stop within the facility so that they don't have to wait on the

2072
04:30:10,020 --> 04:30:10,020
street and additional lighting as well. And then I think that there are still a couple of
Parcels there.

2073
04:30:18,300 --> 04:30:18,300
because this would be is this going to go on 1 or 2 parcels.

2074
04:30:22,620 --> 04:30:22,620
so what we would be looking at is everything that's contained in the parcel that that has
The improvements now or never.

2075
04:30:29,180 --> 04:30:32,340
not at this time. Looking at the other parcels. Yeah. So I think if we can look at the other parcels,
I know we had talked about that and I think finance committee and divesting it the

2076
04:30:40,820 --> 04:30:43,820
community had expressed some interest in affordable housing. And so if there's a way to do that would definitely like to do,
You know, have that down as we consider what we can do with the other property

2077
04:30:53,620 --> 04:30:53,620
that's there. Thank you so much. And council member,
We we have looked at the, at this particular site and we understand the

2078
04:31:03,140 --> 04:31:03,140
community's concerns and the concerns that you expressed to us previously.

2079
04:31:08,220 --> 04:31:08,220
and so part of what's in the cost estimate is that added security for the site work as
Well as you know,

2080
04:31:17,250 --> 04:31:17,250
as we do with, with all these bond projects,
We have community engagement and we'll be working with you and your team to make sure

2081
04:31:24,450 --> 04:31:28,450
we're, we're addressing those concerns as we move into a design phase. If this is the, the site that's selected. Yeah.

2082
04:31:31,330 --> 04:31:31,330
and thank you so much for I know we're already in conversation about setting up a
Community meeting.

2083
04:31:36,330 --> 04:31:39,210
so thanks so much for making yourselves available to do that. Appreciate it. Thank you. Chair moreno, you recognized for five minutes.

2084
04:31:45,370 --> 04:31:45,370
thank you. Mayor. So I'm in favor of keeping all options on the table.

2085
04:31:50,610 --> 04:31:50,610
I'm supportive of giving sticking to our practice,
Of giving the voters the option to support or oppose a,

2086
04:31:56,930 --> 04:31:56,930
a bond proposition. I am definitely in support of delivering the long overdue training
Facility,

2087
04:32:04,250 --> 04:32:04,250
the public safety facility, updating our 911 centers and making sure that we are
Delivering on what the

2088
04:32:14,170 --> 04:32:17,370
residents have said is their number one priority. I do have a question for for our attorneys. Back when I was on park board back in the 2017
Bond,

2089
04:32:25,010 --> 04:32:28,570
I know it was a huge advocate for parks myself. But I got explicit direction from our attorneys that I would not be able to advocate or
Oppose a,

2090
04:32:35,930 --> 04:32:35,930
a proposition. So I just want to get some clarity from our attorneys on once this if this
Does move forward,

2091
04:32:43,290 --> 04:32:43,290
what can we do? And what are we I guess barred from doing as a council member?

2092
04:32:57,690 --> 04:33:00,890
I think, I think that question was directed to our city attorney. So. No modernization.

2093
04:33:12,800 --> 04:33:12,800
mr. Mayor, we have the city attorney's office prepares a political activities memo for
Both elections

2094
04:33:22,760 --> 04:33:22,760
that you think. Oh, is this a terrible sound?

2095
04:33:32,440 --> 04:33:32,440
the sorry. We do election memos for both candidates.

2096
04:33:40,240 --> 04:33:40,240
what is going on for candidates and for measures on ballots?

2097
04:33:44,840 --> 04:33:44,840
we will be distributing it next week. When the at the next council meeting,
I'll have hard copies.

2098
04:33:52,400 --> 04:33:52,400
and I'll also have a memorandum for everybody that outlines the what you're allowed to do.

2099
04:33:59,320 --> 04:33:59,320
but generally speaking, you cannot use any public resources to advocate for a measure on a
Ballot.

2100
04:34:07,040 --> 04:34:07,040
for or against any advocacy. Okay. Thank you for that.

2101
04:34:15,920 --> 04:34:15,920
I will say I do have you know council member willis brought up some points that I,
That I do have pause and concern with pushing projects back that were part of the 2024

2102
04:34:25,760 --> 04:34:25,760
bond program. So I want to keep some flexibility there,
But I also want to keep in mind that the voters have been promised a law enforcement prior

2103
04:34:35,320 --> 04:34:35,320
to 2024. So in reality is this one project has continuing to be pushed back.

2104
04:34:43,280 --> 04:34:43,280
and so I have a lot of concern of pushing any project back from the 2024.

2105
04:34:47,880 --> 04:34:47,880
those might be pushed back a year, maybe six months.

2106
04:34:52,000 --> 04:34:52,000
but the reality that we have to keep in mind is that this training facility has been
Overdue for,

2107
04:34:58,440 --> 04:34:58,440
for decades. And so let's, let's keep that in mind when we're talking about those projects
That might get pushed back,

2108
04:35:07,390 --> 04:35:07,390
but also with the the property room and making sure that that we keep options.

2109
04:35:12,710 --> 04:35:12,710
I'm interested in what's going to happen to the old location where the property room is
Currently today.

2110
04:35:17,870 --> 04:35:17,870
if this moves forward, what we do with that piece of property,
Does it become does it become surplus?

2111
04:35:23,430 --> 04:35:25,470
is, you know, I know that it's adjacent to dart. So dart might be interested in that property in that location.

2112
04:35:32,710 --> 04:35:32,710
and then lastly, I think I just want to thank the staff for,
For the presentation and taking the time to meet with us independently to

2113
04:35:42,710 --> 04:35:42,710
answer any questions ahead of time and for allowing us to continue walking through this
Process.

2114
04:35:48,910 --> 04:35:48,910
that's all I have for this round. Thank you. Mayor. Miss blair,
You recognized for five minutes.

2115
04:35:53,350 --> 04:35:53,350
thank you. Mayor. With a pension, we. I believe that if it wasn't at hb 3158

2116
04:36:03,070 --> 04:36:03,070
that put us in a position where we are having to bring the pension up to speed in over a
30 year period.

2117
04:36:13,710 --> 04:36:13,710
so house bill 3158 was an important piece of legislation regarding the dallas police and
Fire pension system.

2118
04:36:20,310 --> 04:36:20,310
it did put in place several different changes change of governance.

2119
04:36:25,710 --> 04:36:25,710
the board has changed significantly. There were some changes in the benefits,
But the texas pension review board is the one that requires a 30 year funding plan,

2120
04:36:35,190 --> 04:36:38,950
separate and for all pension systems in the state of texas. And so the funding plan that the council approved in december fully funds our 30 year
Funding plan.

2121
04:36:45,710 --> 04:36:45,710
and we're on a path to fulfill that. The pension obligation bonds does provide an
Additional opportunity to mitigate some of those costs to the

2122
04:36:55,590 --> 04:36:55,590
city, though. So we the legal ruling and everything that went along with the pension we
Are in this this bond

2123
04:37:05,300 --> 04:37:05,300
package is going to help us fulfill that and get us where we need to be in the 30 year
Time period.

2124
04:37:11,820 --> 04:37:11,820
is that not correct? Well, I would prefer to describe it as we have a plan that will meet
The requirements,

2125
04:37:18,780 --> 04:37:18,780
but the plan that we have in place does come with some increased contributions over the 30
Years,

2126
04:37:25,260 --> 04:37:25,260
and those that is going to result in some very difficult decisions by the city council on
How to fund those increases.

2127
04:37:33,660 --> 04:37:33,660
and so to to deal with those significant increases,
There's a potential of offsetting that through the use of pension obligation bonds.

2128
04:37:42,820 --> 04:37:42,820
as long as we make the contributions, the way we've laid out,
There's not an issue, we will meet the the refunding requirements.

2129
04:37:51,780 --> 04:37:51,780
it's just going to require some sacrifice on the general fund.

2130
04:37:56,260 --> 04:37:56,260
the pension obligation bonds is an opportunity to get some of that cost off of the general
Fund.

2131
04:38:03,020 --> 04:38:03,020
okay. So and one of the things we need holistically is to take some of the pressure off of
Our general fund.

2132
04:38:12,540 --> 04:38:15,060
is that not correct? That is absolutely correct. I think we're going to have to make some significant sacrifices along the way.

2133
04:38:19,700 --> 04:38:19,700
if we do not make some very significant changes in our operating budget.

2134
04:38:24,500 --> 04:38:24,500
and if I could just add, thank you for the answer to our cfo.

2135
04:38:29,340 --> 04:38:29,340
we've had a very busy summer. The realities of that are not five years away.

2136
04:38:35,820 --> 04:38:35,820
the reality is right now, and as we go through and start talking to you next week as part
Of the budget that we've laid out for 27 and

2137
04:38:45,740 --> 04:38:45,740
for 28 these are not going to be easy years. And so we again,
As I stated earlier, we see and we know what those

2138
04:38:55,580 --> 04:38:55,580
impacts are. What's happening right now, what the forecast look like and there will not be
Easy years.

2139
04:39:03,330 --> 04:39:03,330
so because of our commitment and the requirement to be able to pay what we've included in
The current plans,

2140
04:39:12,210 --> 04:39:12,210
having a way to look at long term, how we can continue to focus on bringing down some of
Those costs.

2141
04:39:22,330 --> 04:39:22,330
we're not waiting to have the conversation. And so I know that this is a very difficult
Discussion to have,

2142
04:39:30,170 --> 04:39:30,170
because we know that it requires us to go and issue additional debt at some point.

2143
04:39:35,730 --> 04:39:35,730
but I cannot tell you that there's a lot of different ways to get around what the general
Fund impacts are going to be, and we're dealing with the reality of it.

2144
04:39:42,290 --> 04:39:42,290
now, in 28, you're going to see the same exercise that we've gone through over the summer.

2145
04:39:48,090 --> 04:39:48,090
and so when mr. Allen talks about those sacrifices,
We understand that fiscal stewardship is important.

2146
04:39:55,730 --> 04:39:55,730
we have to continue to think outside of the way we budgeted in the past.

2147
04:40:00,130 --> 04:40:00,130
and a lot of the decisions that we know that this council is asking us to make,
We've got to do it.

2148
04:40:05,210 --> 04:40:05,210
understanding that those pressure points are not going to be relieved overnight.

2149
04:40:10,210 --> 04:40:14,090
it's going to take very sound financial management. And so that's why we're here, and that's why we're talking about the pension obligation
Bonds for the uniform pension today.

2150
04:40:20,730 --> 04:40:20,730
and the ramp up period is not something that we can say we don't want to ramp up.

2151
04:40:26,730 --> 04:40:26,730
it's something we must do in order to get us where we need to be,
And to make us adhere to all of the guidelines

2152
04:40:36,570 --> 04:40:36,570
that hb and, and all of the all of the obligations we have as a city to the pension board.

2153
04:40:46,050 --> 04:40:48,330
does that not correct? That is absolutely correct. We have worked very long and hard with this council,
And that's why I talk about it was this council that actually put a plan forward that was

2154
04:40:57,200 --> 04:40:57,200
adopted and approved, that has has allowed us to really calm down.

2155
04:41:02,600 --> 04:41:02,600
a lot of the anxiety that I know when I came into this role that was happening,
We did not have a plan.

2156
04:41:07,840 --> 04:41:07,840
we were still debating. We were still running back and forth to austin to kind of figure
Out what we were going to do. So that was delivered,

2157
04:41:14,040 --> 04:41:14,040
and this council supported it. And we did say,
As we've had many discussions with our pension friends,

2158
04:41:22,280 --> 04:41:22,280
that this would be something that we would have a conversation about and if it was
Appropriate and at the right time,

2159
04:41:28,720 --> 04:41:28,720
we would work with this city council to see how you would like to move forward.

2160
04:41:33,280 --> 04:41:33,280
but pension obligation bonds are not written into the plan,
But it has always been discussed.

2161
04:41:39,840 --> 04:41:39,840
and when mr. Ireland talked about this has been a three year or so conversation.

2162
04:41:44,320 --> 04:41:47,760
he's absolutely correct. These have been discussions. There have been many attempts. We know our retirees came down and spoke over a year ago,
And they were asking at that time to go ahead and issue pobs.

2163
04:41:56,390 --> 04:41:56,390
and we knew that it was going to take a lot more due diligence on our part.

2164
04:42:00,790 --> 04:42:00,790
and so what you have before you is the work that we've been doing,
Even since the plan has been adopted,

2165
04:42:06,390 --> 04:42:06,390
on what we can do to look forward and make sure that we're finding ways to relieve the
Pressure that we will have on the general fund.

2166
04:42:14,270 --> 04:42:14,270
so it's not optional, it's required, and we will have to have this done by 2055.

2167
04:42:20,790 --> 04:42:20,790
correct? That's the 30 year. I can't remember the exact date.

2168
04:42:25,470 --> 04:42:25,470
54, 2054, 2054 yes. Oh, I was trying to give us an extra year.

2169
04:42:29,990 --> 04:42:29,990
how about that extra year? Yes, I'm generous and we have a schedule as part of the plan
That was adopted.

2170
04:42:36,190 --> 04:42:36,190
we have a schedule that shows what the payments are currently committed for and forecasted
To be over that that period of time.

2171
04:42:44,470 --> 04:42:47,630
and so we can definitely share that information with the city council. Again, if you'd like to see what those payments are going to be. Okay. So now it's
Changing the,

2172
04:42:52,150 --> 04:42:52,150
the discussion to proposition you and our police hiring.

2173
04:42:59,710 --> 04:42:59,710
we are obligated by the voters and prop you to hire 900 more,
Employ more police.

2174
04:43:07,550 --> 04:43:07,550
is that not correct? So proposition you has a lot of complexities,
But first and foremost,

2175
04:43:16,710 --> 04:43:16,710
it requires that we use 50% of our year over year growth in unrestricted revenue.

2176
04:43:24,430 --> 04:43:24,430
so 50% of our growth. And that first and foremost,
We fund the dallas police and fire pension system.

2177
04:43:31,350 --> 04:43:31,350
and as long as we are doing that and until we have more revenue than those annual
Contributions,

2178
04:43:38,910 --> 04:43:38,910
we do not actually have to go to the other components of proposition you.

2179
04:43:44,030 --> 04:43:44,030
if there is excess revenue after the police and fire pension contribution.

2180
04:43:49,220 --> 04:43:49,220
then it goes to the adding the officers and increasing the pay.

2181
04:43:54,220 --> 04:43:54,220
but we are completely compliant with proposition you through our contribution to the
Police and fire pension fund.

2182
04:43:59,940 --> 04:43:59,940
however, we realize that it is a priority of the council and the community to hire more
Officers and to increase pay,

2183
04:44:07,100 --> 04:44:07,100
but that is not a proposition you requirement,
But it's something that the council has made the conscientious

2184
04:44:17,060 --> 04:44:17,060
decision to hire more and pay more. Correct. Yes,
Ma'am.

2185
04:44:22,460 --> 04:44:22,460
and in my opinion, that is going above and beyond the requirements of proposition you.

2186
04:44:26,740 --> 04:44:26,740
but it is a priority, and I understand that. Weren't we supposed to,
In 2025 hire 350 more officers?

2187
04:44:33,420 --> 04:44:35,500
so if I could just jump in for just a minute. Thank you so very much for the questions, councilwoman blair.

2188
04:44:38,740 --> 04:44:38,740
the good news is, is that the hiring goals that have been established.

2189
04:44:45,540 --> 04:44:45,540
we talked to council last year that in the current budget,
How many we were going to project to hire.

2190
04:44:51,940 --> 04:44:51,940
we talked about, you know, by the time we get to 2028 the goal would be to have the
Department at about 3800 sworn officers.

2191
04:45:01,580 --> 04:45:05,140
I think that would be the highest that we've seen. And we're on track to do exactly that. And so I'm really pleased with the way our police
Chief and that entire team,

2192
04:45:13,700 --> 04:45:13,700
how they've approached our recruitment. We have another class starting,
I think in just a few weeks and have another class that'll start sometime in september.

2193
04:45:22,980 --> 04:45:22,980
so we are on track. Councilwoman. Blair by the end of 2027.

2194
04:45:27,300 --> 04:45:30,980
over this last two year period, we would have hired 750 officers. Absolutely wonderful. And so the goals are being met or exceeded and we will continue.

2195
04:45:36,740 --> 04:45:36,740
so but when we came through this, we also came to the realization,
Well, 2024 bond package.

2196
04:45:44,850 --> 04:45:48,770
we. We made the conscientious decision at that time to. That we would finally honor our responsibility and our promise to our police officers and
Take them out of that shoe,

2197
04:45:58,290 --> 04:46:01,610
if you will, of a training facility. I'm not. And I have to give it to our chief of police and on the.

2198
04:46:06,610 --> 04:46:06,610
and our previous chief of police who could hire and train in the facility,
I toured it.

2199
04:46:18,210 --> 04:46:18,210
it was unique to say the. And like most of the things we have,
We have not been great stewards of,

2200
04:46:26,490 --> 04:46:26,490
of our properties. But I respect the fact that we are training out of what we are
Training.

2201
04:46:34,930 --> 04:46:34,930
and I think that over 30 years it's promise enough and it's time to honor our promises to
Those

2202
04:46:45,170 --> 04:46:45,170
that we say we want to protect us. And I don't.

2203
04:46:52,490 --> 04:46:52,490
I don't have any qualms. I was on the 2024 subcommittee,
The subcommittee that made the recommendation for the 5050 million.

2204
04:47:02,410 --> 04:47:02,410
I thought then it was not enough. I think and each day that I see,
It's truly not enough.

2205
04:47:11,690 --> 04:47:11,690
I totally support putting in a new facility that will provide our police officers with
What they deserve in

2206
04:47:21,490 --> 04:47:21,490
order to train, in order to put who they put on the streets.

2207
04:47:25,810 --> 04:47:25,810
in order to serve, we have to, to, to provide for them if we want them to serve us.

2208
04:47:33,370 --> 04:47:33,370
and, and I work well with your, your police officers city manager.

2209
04:47:42,400 --> 04:47:42,400
they support me, I support them. I will do, I will continue to support them.

2210
04:47:47,720 --> 04:47:47,720
and with that being said, I support what what we have done,
What we are doing, and what we are going to do in order to build the new

2211
04:47:57,440 --> 04:47:57,440
facility. I don't think that it is a choice. I think at this point in time it's an
Obligation.

2212
04:48:06,400 --> 04:48:06,400
it's a and it's an obligation that previous councils should have come away with and did
Not.

2213
04:48:14,840 --> 04:48:14,840
but it's up to us to do what's right and to do what's fair in order to make the city what
We need it to be.

2214
04:48:25,160 --> 04:48:25,160
thank you much, mayor. Deputy mayor pro tem,
You recognized for five minutes.

2215
04:48:33,000 --> 04:48:33,000
thank you, mr. Mayor. Are there any. And you can just answer yes or no.

2216
04:48:39,560 --> 04:48:42,880
and if it's yes, jack, you just get with me later. Are there any past bonds that we still have funding for?

2217
04:48:45,280 --> 04:48:45,280
maybe go all the way back to 2006. The only bonds that I'm sorry,
Are you speaking to authorize?

2218
04:48:55,080 --> 04:48:55,080
not yet issued or bonds that we have the funds that we are still spending?

2219
04:48:59,320 --> 04:48:59,320
both. So the only bonds that we have voter authorization for that we have not yet issued
Is the 24 bond program.

2220
04:49:07,560 --> 04:49:11,360
as far as bonds that have been previously issued that are still being spent. I'll let jenny address that. Sure. So we do have bonds that have not been allocated going
Back to 2006.

2221
04:49:20,120 --> 04:49:20,120
and we actually have a quarterly report and I can send that to your office that we update
The finance committee showing how much has been spent and how much is left over.

2222
04:49:28,440 --> 04:49:28,440
so I can send that to you. Thank you so much,
City manager.

2223
04:49:33,480 --> 04:49:33,480
I have a saying when I took office, there are some things that fell into my lap,
And I say that it may not have been my fault,

2224
04:49:39,390 --> 04:49:39,390
but it becomes my responsibility. And it seems like that's what I heard you say earlier
When councilman bazaldua was asking his questions,

2225
04:49:46,350 --> 04:49:46,350
which I understand where his frustration was coming from based off of his history and what
He was saying. And so is that correct that I think I heard you say that you wasn't even in

2226
04:49:55,550 --> 04:49:55,550
the seat and you was trying to get this information when you got in the seat,
And therefore it seemed like you're trying to be more transparent,

2227
04:50:02,230 --> 04:50:02,230
accountable, accountable, accountable, and right or wrong,
If I can say it like that, that was done to get everything completely taken care of.

2228
04:50:09,350 --> 04:50:09,350
is that correct? That is correct. One of the first priorities that I know that this
Council shared early on in my tenure as the interim city manager,

2229
04:50:18,750 --> 04:50:18,750
was the importance of us getting our agreement across the finish line with the university
Of north texas at dallas.

2230
04:50:25,070 --> 04:50:25,070
we were still working with our state funding,
And we know that our fundraisers were working on their strategy.

2231
04:50:31,830 --> 04:50:31,830
and so it became a priority and we worked together to get there.

2232
04:50:36,030 --> 04:50:39,950
I know that many of council members help call on legislators. When we were getting additional funding that came in to support the project,
And then we worked collectively to get the agreement across the finish line with the

2233
04:50:49,630 --> 04:50:49,630
university of north texas at dallas. One of the things that I learned early on,
After listening and going through files and folders about the project,

2234
04:50:59,230 --> 04:50:59,230
is that having real plans on the table to identify how much money was going to be needed.

2235
04:51:08,230 --> 04:51:12,190
I could not identify where those plans were. We had a number. We had no lease agreements. We had no designs.

2236
04:51:15,230 --> 04:51:15,230
and so we have worked over the last two years to,
To get those deliverables across the finish line.

2237
04:51:21,070 --> 04:51:21,070
and so then we learned that based on the current needs and the type of facility that would
Even compare to other training academies of other

2238
04:51:31,030 --> 04:51:31,030
large cities around the country, that there were some needs that were had not been
Identified,

2239
04:51:35,380 --> 04:51:37,740
that had not even been built into the planning. And so we have been working within the department.

2240
04:51:41,180 --> 04:51:41,180
I mentioned some of the tours that have happened with other police departments around the
Country that we realized very early on that based on the needs

2241
04:51:51,180 --> 04:51:51,180
and the types of additional programs that we could not put on the campus,
That we were going to be needing to identify a strategy that allowed for us to

2242
04:52:00,860 --> 04:52:00,860
deliver both, and how the funding would then be realized.

2243
04:52:05,140 --> 04:52:05,140
and so that's what we have been doing. We have had repeated meetings internally about ways
That we could deliver both of these programs,

2244
04:52:14,420 --> 04:52:14,420
the one on the campus and the additional facility off the campus to include those other
Components that we can't put on a college campus.

2245
04:52:22,020 --> 04:52:22,020
and this is what we've arrived at, but it has not been an overnight.

2246
04:52:27,660 --> 04:52:27,660
it's been months and months and months and I would say two years worth of work,
Between myself and with this team to get us down to what we believe are numbers that will

2247
04:52:37,580 --> 04:52:37,580
allow for us to deliver two state of the art facilities that we will all be proud of for
Many years to come.

2248
04:52:43,260 --> 04:52:43,260
and so that's what you have in front of you today. Thank you for clearing that up and
Going more into detail.

2249
04:52:48,740 --> 04:52:48,740
chief. Come on. I would like to ask you a few questions and ask you is coming.

2250
04:52:54,900 --> 04:52:54,900
I remember when cadillac heights, when I first got elected,
The voters community told me that cadillac heights was supposed to get a police academy

2251
04:53:00,820 --> 04:53:03,900
years ago, and it was voted on and it never happened. So we can't fail twice at producing, saying we're going to do something and it never comes
To fruition.

2252
04:53:12,420 --> 04:53:12,420
and so, chief como, can you can you talk about this police academy?

2253
04:53:17,420 --> 04:53:17,420
I know I spoke with you before and we just did knon this past weekend talking about a
Little bit,

2254
04:53:23,660 --> 04:53:23,660
but we didn't get dive into it the way it needed because we ran out of time. But the
Importance of this and the community voted.

2255
04:53:30,050 --> 04:53:32,370
the citizens voted to support the police department. I believe this part that support. So if you could talk a little bit about that police
Academy in detail and what it would what it entails and the importance of it.

2256
04:53:41,130 --> 04:53:41,130
good afternoon all. So the biggest thing with our police academy,
And I've been around the country in a lot of different police

2257
04:53:50,970 --> 04:53:50,970
departments throughout my career working for the federal government,
I got to see many, many police academies,

2258
04:53:59,130 --> 04:53:59,130
training facilities, gun range. And and you've heard me mention this before,
Dallas is way behind.

2259
04:54:07,450 --> 04:54:07,450
it we have nothing when it comes to police training facilities that we should be proud of
In dallas.

2260
04:54:14,690 --> 04:54:14,690
and it was quite disappointing when I went to qualify for the first time at our range,
I could not believe and and I actually thought it was a joke.

2261
04:54:22,370 --> 04:54:22,370
when they took me to qualify, I thought they were playing a joke on me at first.

2262
04:54:26,970 --> 04:54:26,970
the facilities are subpar. And I believe one of the things that bringing a new academy to
Dallas will also

2263
04:54:36,760 --> 04:54:36,760
bring better officers, because what happens with that?

2264
04:54:41,040 --> 04:54:41,040
we're not just hiring people who qualify to become officers.

2265
04:54:45,280 --> 04:54:45,280
we then have a pool to choose from so we can take the best of the best to protect the
Citizens of dallas and what we have right now.

2266
04:54:54,880 --> 04:54:54,880
the dallas police department is doing an amazing job because of the reputation of the past
To still bring officers in,

2267
04:55:02,520 --> 04:55:02,520
but we are not getting. I feel like if we have better facilities,
We'll get the best of the best to come to dallas,

2268
04:55:09,240 --> 04:55:09,240
because this is one of the top police departments in the united states,
But the facilities are not there.

2269
04:55:15,360 --> 04:55:15,360
and at some point we're going to hit a wall and we will not be able to recruit like we are
Doing now.

2270
04:55:24,920 --> 04:55:24,920
thank you for that. I understand what it's like to most of us have in leadership where you
Come in and you have to

2271
04:55:35,000 --> 04:55:35,000
right or wrong, go back and fix things that was pretty much not done correctly,
If I can say it that way.

2272
04:55:42,920 --> 04:55:42,920
and I heard the city manager, she's not trying to diminish anyone's character.

2273
04:55:47,840 --> 04:55:47,840
she's trying to get something completed and across the finish line that was,
In my opinion,

2274
04:55:52,720 --> 04:55:52,720
not done correctly. With that being said, mayor johnson has assigned me and allowed me to
Serve on the public safety committee.

2275
04:56:02,200 --> 04:56:02,200
and I ran on public safety. It is my number one priority and I've listened to our mayor
Say the same.

2276
04:56:08,240 --> 04:56:08,240
and so I will be supporting the bond. I'm supported because we promise to support public
Safety and having trained officers,

2277
04:56:18,000 --> 04:56:18,000
if you can talk a little bit about that, having having a facility,
And you heard me mention earlier in cadillac heights where it was a promise for a police

2278
04:56:26,110 --> 04:56:26,110
academy and it was never done. And now we have another opportunity to right a wrong.

2279
04:56:30,390 --> 04:56:30,390
if you can talk about the importance of having not just the facility,
But the facility, to make sure that our officers are trained and etcetera,

2280
04:56:38,430 --> 04:56:41,750
and how important that would be for all of our communities. When you're talking about the holistic view,
Holistic view of public safety.

2281
04:56:46,110 --> 04:56:46,110
well, the interesting thing is I went back and I started doing some research on dallas and
The dallas police department prior to me even putting in for the job.

2282
04:56:54,550 --> 04:56:54,550
and one of the things that I noticed was this has started when I was graduating from high
School.

2283
04:57:00,150 --> 04:57:00,150
and if you go into the newspaper, it shows in 1987 in may is when the city was promising
The police department,

2284
04:57:08,870 --> 04:57:08,870
an academy. And one of the reasons why I became extremely interested in this job is I saw
That the city was saying that they were

2285
04:57:18,710 --> 04:57:18,710
going to get a new police academy. So that excited me as a police chief and trying to
Position myself in the right city.

2286
04:57:27,590 --> 04:57:27,590
this is one of the reasons why I applied and and put in for this job,
Because what dallas was talking about doing in the future.

2287
04:57:35,030 --> 04:57:35,030
and right now, I kind of feel like as I'm going through this,
I kind of feel like, well, wait a minute,

2288
04:57:39,510 --> 04:57:39,510
are we backing away from what's been put out there since 1987?

2289
04:57:45,270 --> 04:57:45,270
and I go around talking all the time about what we're getting and has been have been
Talking to the university about the future.

2290
04:57:54,230 --> 04:57:57,430
and we have some really big plans with that university. And for us to even be hesitating on something like this,
I think it's terrible as a city.

2291
04:58:02,990 --> 04:58:02,990
and chief williams is a sign at the academy,
And he has a few things.

2292
04:58:08,670 --> 04:58:11,790
yeah, councilmember johnson, I greatly appreciate it. Yeah. As chief mentioned, one of the other expanding things is just as much as we're
Investing in the men and women to come work in the organization.

2293
04:58:18,470 --> 04:58:22,460
it's also the reinvestment and in the 3400 men and women that work here. Providing that additional space and new spaces to reinvest and provide additional training
For the existing men and women that serve the city is just as crucial.

2294
04:58:30,860 --> 04:58:30,860
and that's what this space also provides and is greatly appreciated.

2295
04:58:37,300 --> 04:58:37,300
thank you again. I will be supporting this bond.

2296
04:58:42,580 --> 04:58:42,580
we need it. We need we need to make sure that we complete it.

2297
04:58:47,580 --> 04:58:47,580
I, it's not my job to be beat it up. And who didn't do this and and the reason why they
Didn't do it.

2298
04:58:54,220 --> 04:58:54,220
leadership goes forward. And so when you're going forward,
You fix the problem by going forward and addressing the problems and going,

2299
04:59:02,620 --> 04:59:02,620
as I think city manager said it in a, in a very nice professional way that we're not going
To harp on the past.

2300
04:59:08,980 --> 04:59:12,300
we got to deal with it, acknowledge it, but we have to fix the problem. And so the voters voted for a public safety. They want to make sure that we have officers,

2301
04:59:17,100 --> 04:59:17,100
but they also want to make sure that we have trained officers in the facility that can get
That job done.

2302
04:59:22,180 --> 04:59:22,180
so I support dpddpdi will be continuing to support dpd and I support public safety and I
Will be voting for this.

2303
04:59:30,460 --> 04:59:30,460
and I'm asking my community to vote for this and the citizens of dallas to vote for this,
Because we need to make sure that the same police department,

2304
04:59:38,380 --> 04:59:38,380
that service all of the city of dallas, our officers are trained and have the facilities
Needed to get things done the way you envision as the chief.

2305
04:59:46,780 --> 04:59:49,380
so thank you so much, mr. Mayor. I will be supporting this. Thank you, city manager, chairman west, you recognized for five minutes.

2306
04:59:57,340 --> 04:59:57,340
thank you. Mayor. First off, I will I'd like to say to jack and to dev

2307
05:00:07,380 --> 05:00:07,380
and to jenny. Great job on putting together a very succinct presentation and for your
Stamina today in getting through this,

2308
05:00:16,650 --> 05:00:16,650
I'm going to separate my comments and questions into three tranches pension bonds,
First,

2309
05:00:22,770 --> 05:00:22,770
public safety, city service facilities. Second,
And then general monetization.

2310
05:00:28,170 --> 05:00:28,170
monetization of city assets third. So going to the pension bonds this is a really a
Question,

2311
05:00:38,370 --> 05:00:38,370
I guess for maybe city attorney can't we can authorize as a city a special bond election
Every six months.

2312
05:00:47,010 --> 05:00:47,010
right? So there are two uniform election dates a

2313
05:00:56,810 --> 05:00:56,810
year in may and in november. Okay. Right. So we could do it.

2314
05:01:03,530 --> 05:01:06,330
that's that's my, my point with asking that question. You know, the rates are bad right now. We have a plan in place to meet our obligations for
The pension,

2315
05:01:13,490 --> 05:01:16,970
which a lot of people worked very hard to get there. We, we, I don't see anybody clamoring for us to put this out to voters right now.

2316
05:01:23,970 --> 05:01:27,650
so I understand our desire to have flexibility. I hear you with that, but I also don't think that I don't see the urgency in moving
Forward with this proposition right now.

2317
05:01:36,250 --> 05:01:38,730
when we could bring it back up in the future. That's my feeling on the pension bonds. Secondly is and let's go to slide 19.

2318
05:01:44,610 --> 05:01:44,610
I think it would be useful for this.

2319
05:01:54,130 --> 05:01:54,130
great. Okay. When we we went out to voters and when the different advocates and
Fundraisers went out to voters,

2320
05:02:03,410 --> 05:02:03,410
my understanding is that the police academy is what was promised.

2321
05:02:07,570 --> 05:02:07,570
and as the chief just mentioned, the police academy is what has been promised for decades.

2322
05:02:13,400 --> 05:02:13,400
the police academy here is encompassed in items one and two.

2323
05:02:20,640 --> 05:02:20,640
is that correct? Yes, that is correct. Okay. Because we've made that promise and that
Obligation and as you

2324
05:02:30,480 --> 05:02:30,480
mentioned, dev, because, you know, we have already we knew this when we were going in into
The last bond that it was there was going to be more cost to it.

2325
05:02:39,520 --> 05:02:39,520
I fully support moving forward with one proposition for items one and two.

2326
05:02:45,920 --> 05:02:45,920
I believe the eoc and 911 facility is equally important that we take care of those
Personnel.

2327
05:02:53,800 --> 05:02:53,800
I think that's a different that's a different proposition in my mind,
Because it's not related to the police academy,

2328
05:03:01,640 --> 05:03:01,640
and it's also tied up in the whole city hall discussion in general.

2329
05:03:05,840 --> 05:03:05,840
so I think it deserves to be a separate proposition in and of itself.

2330
05:03:11,800 --> 05:03:15,280
the other three propositions I am not familiar with. I am. I don't feel comfortable enough putting those forward at this time.

2331
05:03:23,320 --> 05:03:26,200
I need more information to get on board with them. I'm certainly sensitive to needing good fire stations and maintenance facilities,
But with some of the other promises we've made,

2332
05:03:35,680 --> 05:03:35,680
you know, in the appendices to, to our parks and recs facilities,
Our streets, complete streets I saw is going to be getting delayed in there.

2333
05:03:43,920 --> 05:03:47,280
like a lot of these other things that we've been promising the voters. I have a hard time pushing, pushing those back because we're wanting to,
To get some new,

2334
05:03:52,840 --> 05:03:52,840
new additional new items in public safety. So I have concerns with 4 or 5 and six.

2335
05:03:58,480 --> 05:03:58,480
now I want to go to bill beg for a second. And then this is going to bring me to my third
Section of real estate in general.

2336
05:04:08,480 --> 05:04:08,480
so we've been looking at the real estate master plan for the city for years and gp and now
In the finance committee.

2337
05:04:16,270 --> 05:04:16,270
and we're finally to the point we're going to be,
I understand, getting a briefing by cbre and staff this fall on our real estate master

2338
05:04:24,550 --> 05:04:24,550
plan. I see our monetization as our assets is really needing to be a top priority.

2339
05:04:31,310 --> 05:04:31,310
I think mr. Bazaldua mentioned this. We, you know,
We have all these budgetary issues and right now,

2340
05:04:38,270 --> 05:04:38,270
and we we have 50, 000 acres of real estate in the city.

2341
05:04:42,590 --> 05:04:42,590
and we don't have a master plan. So it's and bill was one of the top five pieces of
Property that we were looking at because of its

2342
05:04:52,230 --> 05:04:52,230
proximity to interstate 30. It's it's in a developing area in district six.

2343
05:04:57,910 --> 05:04:57,910
and, and the, the massive amount of land in one contiguous parcel.

2344
05:05:03,190 --> 05:05:03,190
and so for us to not be briefed on this evidence theory building that could be going
There.

2345
05:05:09,990 --> 05:05:09,990
and for us to be utilizing this land without a good real estate analysis.

2346
05:05:16,190 --> 05:05:19,990
I have a concern with that. Your time that was passed. Thank you. Okay. That's most of my points, I appreciate it.

2347
05:05:23,830 --> 05:05:23,830
well, you have more rounds if you need them,
But we're going to go. Chairwoman mendelsohn for three minutes. Thank you.

2348
05:05:33,510 --> 05:05:37,350
mayor. And if you would just give me a one minute warning,
That'd be great. You got it. I just want to say first that as we think about our spending and our debt and our budget.

2349
05:05:43,150 --> 05:05:47,110
I am glad to see that there is a focus on public safety. And there's just one thing though. If we really cared about public safety,
We wouldn't be delaying seven other

2350
05:05:56,070 --> 05:05:56,070
2024 bond public safety projects in the appendix.

2351
05:06:02,230 --> 05:06:02,230
and the irony of delaying public safety projects to support public safety can't be lost on
People.

2352
05:06:10,020 --> 05:06:10,020
second, if we really cared about public safety,
We would be paying our police and fire officers in the top five of the metroplex as we

2353
05:06:18,980 --> 05:06:18,980
should, which were not even in the top ten. And third,
We would put the academy on the ballot as its own separate

2354
05:06:28,500 --> 05:06:28,500
proposition. Now, the total bond proposal that we have had here today,
It looks like public safety,

2355
05:06:37,740 --> 05:06:37,740
but it reads like a financial nightmare. Here we are with almost another billion dollars.

2356
05:06:45,260 --> 05:06:45,260
dallas loves to talk about $1 billion. We can't sit here and say,
Oh, I support public safety.

2357
05:06:51,580 --> 05:06:55,540
so anything that comes before us, I'm going to approve. No, we must be responsible with our tax dollars,
No matter what the subject is.

2358
05:07:01,340 --> 05:07:01,340
the police academy weirdly listed with two different names that are very confusing,
Which I have pointed out previously.

2359
05:07:09,050 --> 05:07:09,050
this project needs funding. Only $50 million went on the 2024 bond and that was completely
Inadequate.

2360
05:07:17,690 --> 05:07:17,690
I spoke up about this with our city manager at the time,
Not our current one, and that's all he was willing to do.

2361
05:07:26,290 --> 05:07:26,290
last year, plano passed a $51 million bond for their police academy with only 300,000
Residents.

2362
05:07:35,370 --> 05:07:35,370
if we were equating on a per capita basis, that bond for our police academy should have
Been over $200 million,

2363
05:07:44,570 --> 05:07:44,570
and the real costs and challenges of building on a college campus were not shared with the
City council and have led to many of these

2364
05:07:54,450 --> 05:07:54,450
cost escalations. It's not that there's a gold plated academy going on,
It's that there's some real challenges.

2365
05:08:01,570 --> 05:08:01,570
if we don't get this right, our city will be on a terrible trajectory.

2366
05:08:06,570 --> 05:08:06,570
no other aspect of 30s. I missed your one minute warning.

2367
05:08:12,370 --> 05:08:12,370
give you two more seconds and I'm fired. No other aspect of our city is more important
Than ensuring we have an appropriate staffing level of

2368
05:08:21,730 --> 05:08:21,730
professionally trained police officers. Are you?

2369
05:08:30,610 --> 05:08:30,610
I couldn't hear the last thing you said. Were you were you? Were you telling me my time
Was up?

2370
05:08:35,890 --> 05:08:35,890
I talked over 10s of you to tell you that you only had 30s.

2371
05:08:40,290 --> 05:08:40,290
so ten more seconds. Okay, I'm just going to say that's your last comment.

2372
05:08:47,930 --> 05:08:51,010
I'm just kidding. Just kidding. You knew I was going to do that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'll give you ten more seconds. For real? I'll get.

2373
05:08:54,690 --> 05:08:54,690
I'll just do it in 30s. My last comment is the dallas residence.

2374
05:09:00,200 --> 05:09:00,200
public sentiment does not make the passage of this bond likely.

2375
05:09:05,040 --> 05:09:05,040
the residents of dallas would like to get. That really is every single one of us.

2376
05:09:09,160 --> 05:09:12,320
sorry. Gotta be fair, gotta be fair. We're going to go to mr. Roth now for for three minutes. Well, then I would like to do my one minute and I'll say
This whole thing again.

2377
05:09:19,360 --> 05:09:19,360
that's fine. That's fine. Thank you. I just want to make it absolutely clear that I want
Funds

2378
05:09:29,040 --> 05:09:29,040
available as a tool so that we have the resources if we need it,
And only

2379
05:09:39,120 --> 05:09:39,120
for legitimate, economically responsible projects.

2380
05:09:44,800 --> 05:09:44,800
the fact that we if we can get the ability to have this line of credit available to the
City as a financial tool,

2381
05:09:54,640 --> 05:09:54,640
I think is important. I think that this is an opportunity for the population to understand
What our priorities are and to to

2382
05:10:04,560 --> 05:10:04,560
vet whether they would allow us to at least have that line of credit for these types of
Particular projects that the that the population has really been demanding.

2383
05:10:16,000 --> 05:10:16,000
I want to make it absolutely also clear that I am not going to endorse or approve or,
Or promote

2384
05:10:25,680 --> 05:10:25,680
any real estate project, any development project,
Any construction project that I think is not being handled properly.

2385
05:10:33,880 --> 05:10:33,880
that is not being costed out properly, that is over budget or is being being not handled
Well.

2386
05:10:42,920 --> 05:10:42,920
and if we don't have the money for something,
This money and this line of credit is not going to get spent.

2387
05:10:50,120 --> 05:10:50,120
and that also is a message to the police. It's a message to the fire department.

2388
05:10:55,040 --> 05:10:55,040
it's the message to the management. It's the message to every department that just because
We have a line of credit doesn't mean that it gets spent

2389
05:11:04,630 --> 05:11:08,470
unless it's legitimate. And I'm going to fight tooth and nail. And I would demand that our council members also take the same position to be fiscally
Responsible.

2390
05:11:15,590 --> 05:11:15,590
if we have that pot of money available to us.

2391
05:11:19,710 --> 05:11:19,710
that's what the issue is here. Everybody is distrust that once we get money,
We're going to spend it.

2392
05:11:27,110 --> 05:11:27,110
and that's not correct. What we need to do is be financially responsible.

2393
05:11:31,790 --> 05:11:31,790
and if we don't look at the numbers, if we can save money by making a four bay into a five
Bay instead of building a new one,

2394
05:11:39,910 --> 05:11:39,910
we should do it. If we only have 20, if we're 20 million shy on a on a project,
Then we're only going to build what we have the money to do it

2395
05:11:49,630 --> 05:11:53,390
for. And it's we're not going to spend the extra money just because we have it. And if we have to, to deal with with with legitimate costs in,
In our budget here, we're going to figure out where that money comes from.

2396
05:12:01,390 --> 05:12:01,390
but I want to have a line of credit that we have the ability that we don't have to go
Begging and be under pressure in an emergency

2397
05:12:10,470 --> 05:12:10,470
situation if we need funds. And so I just this is my position and I want to know where we
If we can figure out a way to have ask for more

2398
05:12:20,430 --> 05:12:20,430
money from the public as that authorization. Thank you.

2399
05:12:27,870 --> 05:12:30,550
chairwoman willis recognized for three minutes. Thank you mayor. So to that point you know, we fulfilled our obligation to the pension
Fund with the funding soundness restoration plan.

2400
05:12:42,150 --> 05:12:46,110
that was our obligation. It's $11 billion over 30 years. Jack, you pointed out that in just four years,
There is a jump up of over $100 million on top of this.

2401
05:12:52,420 --> 05:12:56,380
220 230. I mean, we're looking at these numbers. We already know what's coming our way. This is huge.

2402
05:12:59,380 --> 05:13:02,860
this is a lot of money. And that's a big hill to climb. I again, I made my points about the pension obligation bonds.

2403
05:13:07,140 --> 05:13:07,140
I do want written into this resolution that its actual rate of return not an assumption.

2404
05:13:14,300 --> 05:13:14,300
and the ten year rolling period. I think we should take this down to $250 million.

2405
05:13:20,860 --> 05:13:20,860
and the goal there is to. Well, actually let me back up,
Jack, where did $500 million come from?

2406
05:13:30,500 --> 05:13:30,500
$500 million was an amount that we issued in pension obligation bonds for urf.

2407
05:13:37,020 --> 05:13:40,980
and that's what we carried in this discussion. But that was in 2005. That actual amount would now be worth about $855 million or so.

2408
05:13:48,220 --> 05:13:48,220
but 500 million was the amount that we borrowed at that time in pob,
So it's not looking ahead at the you know,

2409
05:13:55,900 --> 05:13:55,900
once we hit 2030 and we've got that massive jump up,
It's not looking at here's where our revenue is increasing and all of that.

2410
05:14:03,260 --> 05:14:06,620
and then here's where we think we could be, you know,
Having a gap. It was just based on it was based on the e r,
F, as well as factoring it into our debt service model.

2411
05:14:13,260 --> 05:14:13,260
knowing you have the 24 bond program, you're going to want a 29 bond program,
And trying to work it in $500 million was an amount that we could

2412
05:14:22,820 --> 05:14:22,820
reasonably work in without having much negative impact on all the other types of things
You may choose to do.

2413
05:14:29,940 --> 05:14:29,940
well, I'll go back to the appendix, and I just I don't want to see any infrastructure
Projects delayed.

2414
05:14:36,580 --> 05:14:36,580
again. That's what residents have said is their number one concern.

2415
05:14:40,660 --> 05:14:40,660
and so many of them are actually city wide. So they help multiple districts on some of the
Other projects,

2416
05:14:49,290 --> 05:14:49,290
police facilities, that sort of thing. I just,
I don't want to leave those on the table for any longer than they need to be.

2417
05:14:55,130 --> 05:14:55,130
I'd like to live within what we promised when we look at the facilities.

2418
05:14:59,530 --> 05:15:02,490
I haven't even talked about that yet. You know,
I'm sorry. I don't consider these baubles or new baubles.

2419
05:15:05,650 --> 05:15:05,650
I do not think this is folly. I think this is to the point that dpd has made.

2420
05:15:10,610 --> 05:15:10,610
we've got a great police force and we need to have the facilities that befit their
Commitment to us every single day.

2421
05:15:19,770 --> 05:15:19,770
and so I am supportive of those. I am a little concerned.

2422
05:15:23,930 --> 05:15:23,930
I know we've got a fundraising team. I think part of the public safety charge was a task
Force to oversee private fundraising.

2423
05:15:32,290 --> 05:15:32,290
and I know we've got some committed, hard working volunteers,
But I don't know that we really have a task force that can go out and attack these these

2424
05:15:42,050 --> 05:15:42,050
hundreds of millions of dollars in funds. I would love to see us make a commitment to
That,

2425
05:15:48,530 --> 05:15:48,530
with maybe some professional assistance there,
Or beefing up that task force so that every dollar that we get toward sponsoring

2426
05:15:57,210 --> 05:15:57,210
something, naming something at these facilities can come off of this bond.

2427
05:16:01,250 --> 05:16:01,250
I know we're going to have to go to the voters to approve this,
But if we can still keep the throttle down and raise a lot of money around all of these

2428
05:16:10,010 --> 05:16:12,610
projects, I think that only will help us in the end. But, you know, hearing our police force talk about bringing crime scene,
Evidentiary vehicle storage and property room together,

2429
05:16:19,490 --> 05:16:19,490
they were so excited about that. And it's not sexy,
But I think we need to do it.

2430
05:16:26,330 --> 05:16:28,330
if I could just jump in, mr. Mayor. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so very much, councilwoman willis,
For your comments about how we can better hopefully engage and create even more of a sense

2431
05:16:37,770 --> 05:16:37,770
of urgency around the fundraising efforts. What I can tell you is that based into the
Model and the numbers that we're showing you right now.

2432
05:16:45,200 --> 05:16:45,200
we have included for the fundraising team to meet the commitment.

2433
05:16:51,160 --> 05:16:51,160
we've also started the work that our team is actually doing through another foundation
That is being established to support the department ways that we can get even more

2434
05:17:00,840 --> 05:17:00,840
corporate support of the second facility. So those efforts are definitely underway.

2435
05:17:05,960 --> 05:17:09,800
we would love to hear from any council members. And we can do it outside of this meeting if there are certain strategies that you believe
That you'd like for us to pursue that we've not pursued.

2436
05:17:18,440 --> 05:17:18,440
but we are looking at ways that we can activate our business community.

2437
05:17:23,440 --> 05:17:26,440
we are very blessed with the help of several of you. And I know that our chair of public safety and how we were able to approach our cu trip,
It was a complete team effort.

2438
05:17:32,400 --> 05:17:32,400
I think we all spent time talking about this commitment that the city has and how public
Safety continues to be a priority.

2439
05:17:40,200 --> 05:17:43,640
and so we applaud the efforts that went into that. So we're definitely working to identify those other strategies as well as those other
Partnerships.

2440
05:17:49,080 --> 05:17:49,080
and I know that our chief is out there. I've said,
Hit the road and go talk to everybody that we need to talk to,

2441
05:17:54,000 --> 05:17:54,000
to, to continue to show the excitement, the work,
The output that's happening across the city with,

2442
05:18:00,800 --> 05:18:00,800
with our public safety efforts. So we welcome that feedback and do appreciate the focus on
How we can continue to get sponsorships and support.

2443
05:18:08,440 --> 05:18:11,120
overall, I do know that we're going to be coming. We've talked about looking at an overall sponsorship policy that we can start looking at
Not only this particular program around public safety,

2444
05:18:20,640 --> 05:18:20,640
but other ways that we can truly start building partnerships for some of our other
Important priorities and functions around the city.

2445
05:18:27,040 --> 05:18:27,040
so thank you for your comments. Chairman moreno,
You recognized for three minutes.

2446
05:18:32,520 --> 05:18:32,520
thank you mayor. I am going to be supporting this bond proposal with that final number.

2447
05:18:38,600 --> 05:18:38,600
looks like which projects get pushed back. I think that we still need a little bit more
Time on how we're going to deliver that.

2448
05:18:45,270 --> 05:18:45,270
I do want to keep all options on the table. That includes real estate offloading,
Real estate.

2449
05:18:50,750 --> 05:18:50,750
that includes, again, selling those those buildings,
Those public private partnerships.

2450
05:18:55,270 --> 05:18:55,270
our fundraising team, which I think has done a great job,
But we need a little more there.

2451
05:18:59,910 --> 05:18:59,910
so I have a question. When it comes to our bond obligations,
I know that we have a number that we need to meet every year.

2452
05:19:06,910 --> 05:19:06,910
once, if this bond were to go forward and approved the dollars that are right now being
Used to pay our obligation,

2453
05:19:16,310 --> 05:19:16,310
will that free up general revenue to be used for other items if needed,
When needed?

2454
05:19:30,150 --> 05:19:30,150
I'm not sure that I really got the question. Did you do?

2455
05:19:35,190 --> 05:19:35,190
sure. So so we have a number that we are obligated and that we're committed to funding the
Pension annually.

2456
05:19:42,820 --> 05:19:42,820
currently, yes. Currently, if we if we approve and the voters pass the bond,
The bond for the for

2457
05:19:52,820 --> 05:19:52,820
the pension, will that free up general revenue dollars?

2458
05:19:57,340 --> 05:20:00,540
thank you. And I apologize, I missed part of the question. Not until we actually issue the bond. So getting authorization step one.

2459
05:20:06,020 --> 05:20:09,700
step two will be monitoring and identifying when the market is correct. Three would be coming back and getting your authorization to actually issue the bonds.

2460
05:20:14,060 --> 05:20:14,060
after we actually issued the bonds, the pension obligation bonds,
Then yes, it would reduce our annual contribution and it

2461
05:20:23,980 --> 05:20:23,980
would reduce your general fund contribution as a result.

2462
05:20:28,100 --> 05:20:31,300
and you're picking up that cost on the debt service. Exactly. So jack answered it perfectly. It would allow for the future.

2463
05:20:36,620 --> 05:20:36,620
we talked about the future, the pain points that we have now,
The general fund and how our pension payment grows.

2464
05:20:42,780 --> 05:20:42,780
it would give us the opportunity. It's almost like having a cash infusion into the pension
Fund that then the annual payment that right now gets calculated

2465
05:20:52,860 --> 05:20:52,860
up through the whole process that we've laid out in the pension plan through the adc.

2466
05:20:58,380 --> 05:20:58,380
it would then have the ability that that funding that we would normally pay directly out
Of the general fund,

2467
05:21:04,660 --> 05:21:07,540
that the bonds would allow for us to be able to have. It's almost like we have more cash to work with.

2468
05:21:10,020 --> 05:21:10,020
and so that's the way that we would see those bond dollars being used going forward.

2469
05:21:15,500 --> 05:21:18,460
and that is exactly how we use those dollars. When when we issued it on the, the, the urf side of the house.

2470
05:21:22,820 --> 05:21:22,820
so yes, thank you. And so I see our fundraising team in,
In the gallery here with us

2471
05:21:33,140 --> 05:21:33,140
in the event. And when they bring in additional dollars and let's say we haven't purchased
Those bond

2472
05:21:43,050 --> 05:21:43,050
dollars. Year two or year three. And we have an influx of cash to be able to help fund our
Training

2473
05:21:52,490 --> 05:21:52,490
facility. What does that do to those dollars that haven't been committed yet or haven't
Been

2474
05:22:01,770 --> 05:22:01,770
sold? Do we have to move forward with that or do they do they just kind of roll off?

2475
05:22:09,130 --> 05:22:09,130
so so the way we we handle the bond program is we work with jack and the financial team in
Terms of selling those bonds on an annual basis.

2476
05:22:18,850 --> 05:22:18,850
and then as you saw, similar to the 2024 bond program,
We allocate those dollars to projects within the propositions.

2477
05:22:28,210 --> 05:22:28,210
and so you know, but we can shift those based on,
On on the conditions.

2478
05:22:35,490 --> 05:22:35,490
so we would just continue to monitor I think council member roth or different council
Member asked,

2479
05:22:42,010 --> 05:22:42,010
well, you know, are, is the language broad enough in the proposition?

2480
05:22:46,090 --> 05:22:46,090
so perhaps we may be able to apply those dollars to a different project.

2481
05:22:50,290 --> 05:22:50,290
and, and that is also a possibility. And I guess what I'm saying is if we no longer need
Those dollars,

2482
05:22:55,050 --> 05:22:58,250
because because it's been the gap has been filled. And if we've if we haven't allocated those dollars already into that,
That proposition, then certainly we don't have to sell those bonds in,

2483
05:23:07,730 --> 05:23:07,730
in the future. Thank you. Okay. The last one is fire station four replacement.

2484
05:23:14,370 --> 05:23:14,370
obviously that's much needed. I, I do have some or one concern,
You know, that it wasn't part of the convention center package.

2485
05:23:24,050 --> 05:23:24,050
I know that there was some discussion there. But another and maybe this is for the,
For the fire chief is asked a number of times to go out and get

2486
05:23:33,480 --> 05:23:33,480
creative with a multifamily or office developer that will do housing or office above and
Do

2487
05:23:43,520 --> 05:23:43,520
a fire station at grade level. Have, has those,
Have those discussions advanced?

2488
05:23:48,400 --> 05:23:48,400
what are we doing to try to do a public private partnership with housing or office and a
Fire station on city property at grade level?

2489
05:24:01,880 --> 05:24:01,880
thanks for the question, councilman. Assistant chief daniel salazar you know,
We did look at that.

2490
05:24:09,280 --> 05:24:09,280
we have seen that type of mixed development in other cities such as the northeast,
Chicago,

2491
05:24:17,840 --> 05:24:17,840
new york, and regrettably, here in dallas. It just convolutes or complicates trying to get
The development and all the

2492
05:24:27,560 --> 05:24:27,560
coordination with the different stakeholders to make that come to fruition.

2493
05:24:32,200 --> 05:24:32,200
we thought in the past when we discussed replacing station four,
That that was a possibility,

2494
05:24:38,320 --> 05:24:38,320
but things broke off. And you know, we are where we are with the,
With the fire station at this moment.

2495
05:24:44,720 --> 05:24:47,200
again, let's just keep having those conversations. And if there's a savings that we don't have to use bond dollars to make that happen.

2496
05:24:52,560 --> 05:24:55,760
let's continue exploring there. Thank you. Mayor. Yes,
Sir. Thank you. Laura cadena, you're recognized for three minutes.

2497
05:24:59,880 --> 05:24:59,880
thank you. I think this question might be for jack,
But where in this process, because we're bringing new buildings online would we vote on

2498
05:25:09,240 --> 05:25:09,240
the financial management performance criteria?

2499
05:25:14,160 --> 05:25:14,160
so at this point we are seeking an opportunity to identify the funding strategy for the
Projects.

2500
05:25:21,640 --> 05:25:21,640
and we aren't really at the point where we're ready to move forward with a,
A real estate transaction that would trigger that.

2501
05:25:28,550 --> 05:25:28,550
miss tolbert, if you wanted to add more to that,
You said it perfectly.

2502
05:25:32,670 --> 05:25:32,670
right now, we understand that if the propositions are not successful,
Then we definitely have,

2503
05:25:39,950 --> 05:25:42,990
as we've talked about, the gaps or the no funding at all. And at that time, council would need to either direct whether or not if we do not deliver
These projects or if we do something totally different.

2504
05:25:52,190 --> 05:25:52,190
and so that's why we believe that it's important to really understand if there's funding
Support.

2505
05:25:57,950 --> 05:25:57,950
I know that there have been comments made about the actual academy and us breaking ground
In september.

2506
05:26:05,190 --> 05:26:05,190
we committed last year when we completed the,
The agreement the lease agreement with unt dallas and we also committed to the

2507
05:26:15,070 --> 05:26:15,070
state that within a year of those agreements we would be moving forward with the
Groundbreaking is scheduled for september the 3rd.

2508
05:26:23,470 --> 05:26:23,470
am I concerned that next year we would start the project and we would,
If we didn't get this additional funding,

2509
05:26:30,150 --> 05:26:30,150
that we might get to a standstill. I would say yes,
Because I think that that's not the scenario that we want.

2510
05:26:37,910 --> 05:26:37,910
and we definitely do not believe that it would be in the council's best interest
Politically for people to say that we've run out of money for the projects.

2511
05:26:47,750 --> 05:26:47,750
so we definitely want to make sure that we understand where we are before we would say
That we're ready to proceed. But thank you for the question. Hopefully that answered it

2512
05:26:53,950 --> 05:26:53,950
for you. Yes. Thank you. I just want to make sure the public,
You know, clarifies and they are aware.

2513
05:26:59,310 --> 05:26:59,310
I also want to say I do agree with councilmember west that perhaps item two,
One and two should be bundled.

2514
05:27:05,990 --> 05:27:05,990
I'm concerned about the other items being bundled with the emergency operation center and.

2515
05:27:11,710 --> 05:27:11,710
911. And then lastly, I also agree with him about the real estate plan.

2516
05:27:17,550 --> 05:27:17,550
if possibly divesting of the building site, we could get more money from it than building
On it.

2517
05:27:25,700 --> 05:27:28,180
if we could look at that before we do anything. So thank you. We definitely want to look at all the potential considerations.

2518
05:27:35,460 --> 05:27:35,460
I think there have been some comments about monetization of assets that have come up.

2519
05:27:40,980 --> 05:27:40,980
we've looked at that and I know we are still working to bring back a fully baked real
Estate plan to the city council.

2520
05:27:47,740 --> 05:27:47,740
but what I can tell you is that based on even some of the assets that we've looked at,
The amount of funding that we're talking about which also includes like selling the gun

2521
05:27:57,740 --> 05:27:57,740
range if we were to move and do something differently. Many of those would not produce the
Level of funding that we're talking about here,

2522
05:28:05,020 --> 05:28:05,020
but we definitely will continue to look for those opportunities to see how we might be
Able to look at assets as another way to continue to support some of the overall needs

2523
05:28:15,020 --> 05:28:15,020
that we have. I know the deferred maintenance continues to be a hot topic.

2524
05:28:19,740 --> 05:28:19,740
and we understand that currently, with even how we have properties that we might sell,
That funding is going into that major maintenance fund and it is

2525
05:28:29,620 --> 05:28:29,620
helping us. Is it enough? Absolutely not. And so there would still be a conversation with
The council about if we have asset sales,

2526
05:28:37,420 --> 05:28:37,420
how much percentage goes to maybe a project and how much would go into deferred
Maintenance.

2527
05:28:41,740 --> 05:28:45,300
I think we still want to have that direction from the council policy. So thank you for that. Thank you. Mr. Roth recognized for one minute.

2528
05:28:54,620 --> 05:28:54,620
I'd like to request that the staff consider expanding the current need requirement
Requirements to include $100 million

2529
05:29:04,180 --> 05:29:04,180
minimum for city hall capital improvements. I'd like you to also consider up to 20,
Up to $50 million

2530
05:29:13,700 --> 05:29:13,700
for rec center improvements and library improvements as as perhaps separate line items or
Defining

2531
05:29:24,570 --> 05:29:24,570
the the proposition so that those types of uses could be absolutely in there.

2532
05:29:30,210 --> 05:29:30,210
I think it's specific requirement for those particular items would be important,
And I would request that we increase the the amounts to

2533
05:29:39,690 --> 05:29:39,690
include a minimum of those amounts. Thank you.

2534
05:29:45,170 --> 05:29:45,170
gentlewoman is recognized for one minute. Thank you.

2535
05:29:49,210 --> 05:29:49,210
well, to the point about the real estate master plan that we'll be hearing in the fall,
I think it's great that we're taking that step and we're looking at how we can divest

2536
05:29:56,410 --> 05:29:56,410
properties we don't need, but it's not going to be a magic bullet on all of this.

2537
05:30:01,210 --> 05:30:01,210
and to the point about philanthropy, I do think we need professional assistance because,
You know,

2538
05:30:07,290 --> 05:30:10,850
chief como should be the closer. He shouldn't have to be managing this with his staff. That's not what they do. That's not their core competency.

2539
05:30:14,050 --> 05:30:14,050
but with regard to adding to this program, I mean,
To the point that was made about really vetting costs and understanding that.

2540
05:30:20,090 --> 05:30:20,090
I mean, I don't know that we have the background on that to just throw in $100 million
Program.

2541
05:30:26,090 --> 05:30:26,090
and we've certainly had a lot of discussion around some of those points. So I would not be
In favor of adding to to that.

2542
05:30:33,650 --> 05:30:33,650
I would rather take down pension obligation bonds to 250 or 300 and then fully put before
The voters the public safety package as one

2543
05:30:43,450 --> 05:30:43,450
bundle. Thank you. Chairman ridley recognized for three minutes.

2544
05:30:48,970 --> 05:30:48,970
thank you, mr. Mayor. I would second mr. Roth's suggestion that we include 100 million in
This bond proposition for repairs to city hall.

2545
05:30:59,370 --> 05:30:59,370
I think it was a short sighted practice not to include that.

2546
05:31:04,450 --> 05:31:04,450
if we're going to go forward with another bond proposal,
I presume that a facility condition assessment was prepared for facilities

2547
05:31:14,570 --> 05:31:14,570
four and five on slide 19. And I would like to request that copies of those be provided to
The council before we take any vote on,

2548
05:31:24,440 --> 05:31:24,440
including those in the bond proposal. So all three of the components in number four and
Then the fire station number four.

2549
05:31:34,360 --> 05:31:34,360
I mean, number four, chairwoman mendelsohn, you recognized for one minute.

2550
05:31:47,040 --> 05:31:47,040
thank you. Dallas residents. Public sentiment does not make passage likely.

2551
05:31:52,840 --> 05:31:56,080
the residents of dallas would like to get rid of every one of us. They have lost faith. In us in asking them for $940 million of debt,
Plus $624

2552
05:32:05,720 --> 05:32:05,720
million of interest at a time when we are doing furloughs is absurd and tone deaf,
And a waste of approximately $1 million to run the election.

2553
05:32:15,080 --> 05:32:18,760
if the bond is voted down, it spells trouble for the dpd. Private fundraising for the academy who invests philanthropic dollars when the voters say
No.

2554
05:32:25,120 --> 05:32:25,120
the way to show a commitment to success of the academy is to make it an independent
Proposition,

2555
05:32:30,280 --> 05:32:30,280
which I believe will pass. But if it's placed with moving 911,
I believe we'll see a total failure of this bond project.

2556
05:32:36,720 --> 05:32:36,720
and I will join council member bazaldua in telling voters not to support it.

2557
05:32:41,400 --> 05:32:41,400
some of the delayed projects include the bellevue parking garage for structural issues,
Which I believe is where you want to move 911 based on the rfp that went out.

2558
05:32:51,000 --> 05:32:51,000
is your type 43 that's your time closed for ac and electrical problems also delayed.

2559
05:32:58,520 --> 05:32:58,520
okay, sorry about that. Chair moreno, you recognized for one minute.

2560
05:33:04,240 --> 05:33:04,240
I'm sorry. Kathy stewart, you're recognized for three minutes. You jumped in there on me.

2561
05:33:08,280 --> 05:33:08,280
all right, I did jump in because I got. I'm just a little confused.

2562
05:33:14,150 --> 05:33:14,150
could someone. So there's been a request and there have been two requests to include $100
Million bond for city hall repairs.

2563
05:33:25,110 --> 05:33:25,110
did I remember correctly that we voted that we would not make repairs to this building?

2564
05:33:30,430 --> 05:33:30,430
that is correct. Thank you. Okay, so I would think before we should spend any time looking
At $100 million bond for city hall

2565
05:33:40,150 --> 05:33:40,150
repairs, we we would need to make a decision that that we're reversing what we what we
Decided,

2566
05:33:47,270 --> 05:33:47,270
however, many weeks ago. So I just, I think perhaps council member moreno could agree or
Disagree.

2567
05:33:57,550 --> 05:33:57,550
I, I'm, you know, I just think we're in an odd state to ask for something to ask for the
Funding for something that we voted that we would not do.

2568
05:34:07,230 --> 05:34:07,230
thank you, mr. Mayor. All right. Now we're going to chair moreno.

2569
05:34:11,820 --> 05:34:11,820
thank you. Thank you. You know, we're we're talking about.

2570
05:34:18,180 --> 05:34:18,180
moving current projects further out from 2020.

2571
05:34:23,460 --> 05:34:26,260
from the 2024 bond program, pushing those out. How many more items will we have to push out to be able to accomplish an additional $100
Million?

2572
05:34:34,820 --> 05:34:38,660
we'd really have to look at that on a project by project basis. You know, we worked on, on this list, we have about $141 million that we're pushing out.

2573
05:34:45,460 --> 05:34:45,460
and so, you know, maybe another 40, 50 projects depending on the size of the projects.

2574
05:34:51,260 --> 05:34:51,260
and again, we've been really focused on making sure that we align the projects with the
Project schedules.

2575
05:34:57,940 --> 05:34:57,940
and with the current plan, we're able to to fund 95% of the,
Of the projects in

2576
05:35:07,780 --> 05:35:07,780
the, in the five year period. Thank you. I would just be concerned of pushing back
Recreation centers,

2577
05:35:13,540 --> 05:35:17,060
libraries that have been promised in that 2024 bond program. And as far as pulling out, you know, emergency operations or even fire station number four
Or number six fleet maintenance,

2578
05:35:24,540 --> 05:35:24,540
that to me, that becomes a small, too small a bond project to push out maybe in may of
2027,

2579
05:35:33,300 --> 05:35:33,300
which I don't think it would be worth for the voters for us to call an election for such a
Small bond program,

2580
05:35:39,980 --> 05:35:42,420
because it would, in my opinion, it wouldn't be worth it. Thank you mayor. For what purpose? Chairwoman mendelsohn,
You're out of debate rounds.

2581
05:35:51,300 --> 05:35:51,300
okay. Anyone else? Miss kidani, you recognized for one minute.

2582
05:35:56,460 --> 05:36:00,220
not for my hand. Yeah. She can't get her hand to go away,
So. Okay. Technical issue. Go ahead. You have one minute.

2583
05:36:03,740 --> 05:36:03,740
so I know we're doing the 2026 bond when it would be the estimated.

2584
05:36:09,690 --> 05:36:09,690
the next bond after that. And the reason why I ask is because my fire station 16 needs to
Be replaced.

2585
05:36:16,050 --> 05:36:19,890
yeah. And the schedule that we have on slide 20. Our plan is to continue with having a 2029 bond program.

2586
05:36:26,370 --> 05:36:26,370
and that is when some of these facilities that we've been talking about would have an
Opportunity to come in and we would already be starting our work on

2587
05:36:36,330 --> 05:36:36,330
the needs inventory, as well as looking at technical criteria to start identifying those
Projects.

2588
05:36:43,650 --> 05:36:43,650
and jenny, I don't know if you want to add anything else to the 2029 plan.

2589
05:36:49,490 --> 05:36:49,490
no, you actually hit the nail on the head. So we usually start planning for that about two
Years ahead of time.

2590
05:36:56,170 --> 05:36:56,170
so we'll be getting with council members about that and we'll be briefing committees.

2591
05:37:00,490 --> 05:37:00,490
and then we brief council. Usually it's first on the technical criteria and then we go
Into needs inventory.

2592
05:37:05,770 --> 05:37:09,370
so that's that would be what we would be ahead of 2029. Okay. Thank you. All right. I don't see anyone else.

2593
05:37:13,770 --> 05:37:13,770
am I missing anyone? Madam city manager, mr. Mayor,
City council, thank you so much for your time today.

2594
05:37:21,530 --> 05:37:21,530
we are officially concluded with our planned briefings for today.

2595
05:37:26,690 --> 05:37:26,690
thank you. Thank you, madam secretary. Mr. Mayor,
Your open microphone speakers remain.

2596
05:37:33,170 --> 05:37:33,170
all recite the speaker guidelines. Speakers must observe the same rules of propriety,
Decorum and good conduct applicable to members of the city council.

2597
05:37:41,690 --> 05:37:41,690
any speaker making personal, impertinent, personal,
Impertinent, profane or slanderous remarks,

2598
05:37:48,210 --> 05:37:48,210
or who becomes boisterous while addressing the city council will be removed from the room.

2599
05:37:52,690 --> 05:37:52,690
for those individuals who are in person for those virtual speakers,
You will be removed from the session.

2600
05:37:58,010 --> 05:37:58,010
individuals will be given three minutes to speak for those in-person speakers.

2601
05:38:03,000 --> 05:38:03,000
you'll notice the time at the monitor when your time is up,
Please stop.

2602
05:38:07,520 --> 05:38:11,040
for those virtual speakers. I will announce when your time has expired. Also, speakers, please be mindful that during your public comments,
You are not allowed to refer to a city council member by name and to address your comments

2603
05:38:18,520 --> 05:38:18,520
to mayor johnson. Brandon brandon vance has canceled ron seagal.

2604
05:38:37,920 --> 05:38:37,920
my intention is to talk about the history of texas,
Because things will happen next year to update the

2605
05:38:47,920 --> 05:38:47,920
alamo history, so I'm told. So I thought I'd put my $0.02 in to tell the real story.

2606
05:38:56,680 --> 05:38:56,680
I was born four blocks from the alamo. I had mrs morris as my seventh grade texas history
Teacher at horace mann junior

2607
05:39:06,600 --> 05:39:06,600
high in san antonio. She's the author of authoritarian in this subject,
But she's passed away a long time ago.

2608
05:39:15,960 --> 05:39:15,960
so we'll start with that, I think. Did y'all get some information here?

2609
05:39:24,720 --> 05:39:24,720
this I would love to see actually handed out,
Folded up and handed out at every texas driver's

2610
05:39:34,400 --> 05:39:34,400
license office through the state. Because we got so many people coming into our state that
Have no clue

2611
05:39:44,440 --> 05:39:44,440
the unique history that our state has. So I'll let y'all read it over in your due time.

2612
05:39:50,960 --> 05:39:50,960
it's very concise. I've used three words to describe this comprehensive.

2613
05:39:59,270 --> 05:39:59,270
it is indeed concise and correct. And that's one of my fears

2614
05:40:09,150 --> 05:40:09,150
when this quote unquote redo of the history of the alamo or the republic of texas there
Will be some correct

2615
05:40:18,990 --> 05:40:18,990
things maybe left out. So mrs. Morris were still alive.

2616
05:40:24,670 --> 05:40:24,670
she would say, this is the bona fide history of texas.

2617
05:40:29,790 --> 05:40:29,790
in brief, in the cliffsnotes version. The other thing referring to our automobile that
We're sitting in today

2618
05:40:41,950 --> 05:40:41,950
and hearing my first city council meeting. Y'all remember the 70s,
80s, and 90s fram

2619
05:40:51,790 --> 05:40:51,790
oil filter commercials the fram oil filter commercials of the 70s through the 90s featured
A car mechanic

2620
05:41:01,350 --> 05:41:01,350
saying, use a fram oil filter for quality performance now.

2621
05:41:06,630 --> 05:41:06,630
or in other words, the car mechanic always says,
And boy, does it always.

2622
05:41:13,110 --> 05:41:13,110
it certainly applies to what I heard today. You can pay me now or you can pay me later,
But you're going to pay me

2623
05:41:23,950 --> 05:41:23,950
and someone, at least in this building, forgot to change the oil filter.

2624
05:41:28,990 --> 05:41:28,990
it seems like my house in north dallas is built in 82.

2625
05:41:35,990 --> 05:41:35,990
it's got issues, but I bring out my wallet, my credit card,
And I call the handyman to fix things along the

2626
05:41:45,670 --> 05:41:45,670
way. Thank you, thank you. David vos has counseled cookie peden.

2627
05:41:53,470 --> 05:41:53,470
cookie peden it's not present. Barbara ventura.

2628
05:42:02,060 --> 05:42:02,060
barbara ventura is not present. Jason jones. Jason jones is not present.

2629
05:42:10,900 --> 05:42:10,900
margaret mansour. Margaret mansour is not present.

2630
05:42:18,500 --> 05:42:18,500
martha trubey.

2631
05:42:30,300 --> 05:42:30,300
thank you. Good afternoon. Good evening. I'm here today to talk for the fourth time about
A neighborhood concern that we have our neighborhood in kessler park that

2632
05:42:40,220 --> 05:42:40,220
I've lived in for 25 years. Public safety issues with criminally negligent pet owners.

2633
05:42:46,860 --> 05:42:49,540
it involves the strength and well-being of our community. It has declined due to this public safety issue.

2634
05:42:53,260 --> 05:42:53,260
we no longer feel safe to walk on our street due to aggressive dogs being allowed to walk
Without a muzzle.

2635
05:42:59,700 --> 05:42:59,700
the dasa dallas animal services has all the paperwork affidavits on this particular
Aggressive dog attack on june 26th.

2636
05:43:09,140 --> 05:43:09,140
das was helpful and moved this case to the prosecutor level april of 2026,
But the aggressive dog owner appealed.

2637
05:43:17,820 --> 05:43:17,820
our case was given a new prosecutor and a new court date of may 26th,
But then it was canceled by melinda helmsley two days prior to that court date.

2638
05:43:27,340 --> 05:43:27,340
we don't know why. Our community of neighbors,
Concerned citizens seek a proactive resolution before further attacks occur occur.

2639
05:43:37,900 --> 05:43:37,900
my thought is the das has professional and intelligent workers,
But they seem to be understaffed to resulting in inadequate workforce to enforce the laws

2640
05:43:48,020 --> 05:43:48,020
on the books regarding negligent pet owners. Criminally negligent owners of all dogs,
Including aggressive dogs,

2641
05:43:56,370 --> 05:43:56,370
should be 100% compliant with existing laws or face significant monetary fines.

2642
05:44:04,090 --> 05:44:04,090
the strength of our community moving forward,
Our community wants to prevent another person or animal from being injured from aggressive

2643
05:44:13,450 --> 05:44:13,450
dogs in our neighborhood. I just asked myself the other day,
What if all pet owners had aggressive dogs and were not in compliance with our city laws

2644
05:44:21,930 --> 05:44:21,930
regarding pet ownership? How long would you live in that kind of neighborhood?

2645
05:44:26,530 --> 05:44:26,530
we have now moved forward because we have not heard back from the city prosecutor.

2646
05:44:31,050 --> 05:44:31,050
we have filed a petition for small claims with dallas county to recoup some of our vet
Bills,

2647
05:44:35,890 --> 05:44:35,890
because our dog had to be euthanized on september 11th,
2025.

2648
05:44:42,690 --> 05:44:46,570
the whole also, I've heard a lot of things today about 311 and 911. And I would just like to say that 311 in my opinion,
Is a call for help and it should take high priority before the situation becomes a 911

2649
05:44:56,250 --> 05:44:56,250
call, which involves tearing of flesh or serious bodily injuries,
Resulting in ambulance and paramedics to render aid.

2650
05:45:04,490 --> 05:45:04,490
and the few times that I've called 911, I've had really good success and I would like to
Thank the firefighters and the paramedics of city of dallas.

2651
05:45:12,170 --> 05:45:12,170
they responded to a request that I had on santa fe trail with an unconscious gentleman
That could have been hit by a bicyclist,

2652
05:45:18,850 --> 05:45:21,810
and the fire department came within five minutes. So that was excellent. So thanks for that. But everything else,
The das is understaffed and overworked.

2653
05:45:29,370 --> 05:45:29,370
thank you. Thank you. Berenice martinez. It's not online.

2654
05:45:36,930 --> 05:45:36,930
not in person. Not present. Maya hennessey.

2655
05:45:57,560 --> 05:45:57,560
hi. Long day. My name is maya and I live about ten minutes away.

2656
05:46:04,680 --> 05:46:04,680
I recently found out that dallas market center is being turned into a data center.

2657
05:46:10,840 --> 05:46:14,680
data centers have a significant impact on the environment. A pretty negative impact which affects, which affects residents nearby.

2658
05:46:20,920 --> 05:46:20,920
they use massive amounts of electricity which could strain the power grid.

2659
05:46:25,240 --> 05:46:25,240
this is the same power grid that is on the children's hospital.

2660
05:46:31,280 --> 05:46:31,280
not only does it strain the grid, but it could raise residents power bills.

2661
05:46:39,080 --> 05:46:39,080
even with a closed loop cooling. Data centers use mass amounts of water.

2662
05:46:45,760 --> 05:46:45,760
the texas water development board stated that 83% of data centers they surveyed failed to
Respond

2663
05:46:55,750 --> 05:46:55,750
to mandatory water use inquiries. So now these state planners are left with limited
Information to strategize how texas will manage all of the

2664
05:47:05,590 --> 05:47:05,590
water usage. On top of it all data centers have minimal human staff,
So they don't even create jobs.

2665
05:47:15,190 --> 05:47:15,190
we have enough data centers. There's another data center like five minutes away from
Market center called infomart.

2666
05:47:22,950 --> 05:47:22,950
china has the second largest population in the world,
And they have less than 500 data centers.

2667
05:47:28,990 --> 05:47:28,990
and the usa has the most data centers with over 4000.

2668
05:47:34,390 --> 05:47:34,390
we really don't need more data centers. And especially in the great city of dallas so turn
Market center into something else and restrict data centers.

2669
05:47:43,670 --> 05:47:43,670
thank you. Thank you. It's sarah. Hello? Can you hear me?

2670
05:47:51,630 --> 05:47:53,950
yes, we can hear you and see you. You may continue. Editor sarah, 1003, valencia district 14. 911311 at 1000 bellevue.

2671
05:48:01,310 --> 05:48:01,310
not so fast. I thought the harsher you learned this real estate person's lesson with the
Lemon on lemons.

2672
05:48:08,510 --> 05:48:08,510
after spending 20 million to make a new permit,
Department could not get a ceo.

2673
05:48:12,790 --> 05:48:12,790
the big mistake was that the rfp called for 1400 parking spaces,
But the broker staff forgot to check that box and had only 600.

2674
05:48:21,510 --> 05:48:21,510
it headed for auction. With our taxpayer dollars now at 30 million,
Plus $73,000 a month for security until it was sold.

2675
05:48:29,230 --> 05:48:29,230
so let's look at 1000 bellevue, an option for the 911311 center.

2676
05:48:34,950 --> 05:48:34,950
in may, consultants stated that the infrastructure in city hall was structurally aging
With mechanical,

2677
05:48:41,070 --> 05:48:41,070
plumbing, heating, air conditioning, communications and electrical systems operating
Beyond their intended eu lifespan.

2678
05:48:47,860 --> 05:48:47,860
too expensive to repair. Gotta move. I found they omitted the estimated useful lifespan
For all the other 400,000 downtown building options,

2679
05:48:56,900 --> 05:48:56,900
so they are unusable as well. Plus, our leadership wants to lease purchase another 80s era
Building and expect us to forget their dismal performance taking care of

2680
05:49:06,780 --> 05:49:06,780
city hall. So I'm not surprised that the city manager and consultants who reviewed for
Central business district locations for 911311 operations missed the

2681
05:49:16,780 --> 05:49:16,780
mark again by nominating 1000 bellevue. As you can see by my map.

2682
05:49:21,900 --> 05:49:21,900
it's outside the cbd and is in a moderate flood zone and should be disqualified.

2683
05:49:27,100 --> 05:49:27,100
to add insult to injury, it was built in 1971,
12 years older than city hall, and its infrastructure is also beyond its life span

2684
05:49:37,060 --> 05:49:37,060
and is a rotting, unusable 193,000 190 300 zero square foot.

2685
05:49:41,700 --> 05:49:41,700
hulk. It is not and never will be a purpose built,
Hardened underground bunker that can withstand all types of threats like 1500 marilla.

2686
05:49:51,820 --> 05:49:51,820
the city leased it from ibm for 23 years for parking and acquired it for $1 in 2019.

2687
05:49:58,820 --> 05:49:58,820
I count 340 surface parking spaces, of which 275 are taken by the police station next
Door.

2688
05:50:06,940 --> 05:50:06,940
where are the 137 staff members supposed to park when only 65 are available?

2689
05:50:13,420 --> 05:50:13,420
this will be lemon number two. The city manager and her consultants continue to fail to
Understand that 911311 location is an

2690
05:50:23,060 --> 05:50:23,060
ongoing life and death decision, not just a typical office space acquisition.

2691
05:50:30,660 --> 05:50:30,660
say no to 1000. Bellevue. Say yes to saving city hall.

2692
05:50:35,820 --> 05:50:35,820
thank you. Thank you. Philip mendenhall. Hausen has canceled nida hussein.

2693
05:50:49,330 --> 05:50:49,330
I'm here. Thank you. You may continue. Thank you so much.

2694
05:50:57,130 --> 05:51:00,050
good afternoon, mayor. Members of the council. My name is nida hussein, and I am a resident of district two.

2695
05:51:04,330 --> 05:51:04,330
I represent myself and my 340 neighbors on maple avenue.

2696
05:51:08,930 --> 05:51:08,930
and I'm speaking today to voice our urgent concerns regarding this rapid,
Unvetted expansion of mass surveillance in our city,

2697
05:51:16,370 --> 05:51:16,370
specifically, the automated license plate readers that are deployed by flock safety.

2698
05:51:21,170 --> 05:51:21,170
while we all want safe neighborhoods, treating every dallas resident as a perpetual
Suspect by tracking our daily movements does not make us safer.

2699
05:51:29,490 --> 05:51:32,290
it violates our fundamental right to privacy. There are practical and civil liberties that are at risk because these cameras don't just
Look for stolen vehicles.

2700
05:51:39,650 --> 05:51:39,650
they build a massive network of searchable data tracking where we go to church,
Where we seek medical care,

2701
05:51:45,330 --> 05:51:45,330
who we visit. This data is collected and stored without clear,
Robust, independent oversight for 365 days from the date that

2702
05:51:55,170 --> 05:51:55,170
the image is taken. Dallas residents haven't been given true public forum to debate
Whether we want our public spaces turned into a dragnet,

2703
05:52:04,210 --> 05:52:04,210
and furthermore, these independent audits across the country have shown that automated
Surveillance algorithms are prone to false positives.

2704
05:52:12,890 --> 05:52:12,890
these can lead to high risk mistaken identity police stops,
And it puts innocent drivers in danger.

2705
05:52:19,170 --> 05:52:19,170
there are policy violations as well and a lack of transparency.

2706
05:52:24,090 --> 05:52:27,170
so our city should be a leader in transparency. But the expansion of these cameras and networks directly undermines the spirit of
Community oversight.

2707
05:52:32,690 --> 05:52:32,690
we're spending public funds on proprietary third party technology where data retention
Rules remain vague and public reporting is minimal.

2708
05:52:40,680 --> 05:52:40,680
if dallas is going to utilize this technology,
Which is this invasive, it must be subject to strict legislative guardrails,

2709
05:52:48,760 --> 05:52:48,760
mandatory third party audits, explicit written consent from the communities being watched,

2710
05:52:54,040 --> 05:52:57,520
none of which exists in a meaningful capacity today. So our call to action from myself and my more than 300 neighbors is we are urging this
Council to please pause any further expansion of flock safety contracts and

2711
05:53:07,520 --> 05:53:07,520
please implement a strict data deletion policy that purges non-criminal tracking data
Within 24 hours.

2712
05:53:14,960 --> 05:53:14,960
please pass a comprehensive, enforceable community control over police surveillance
Ordinance.

2713
05:53:20,680 --> 05:53:24,360
we deserve safety, but we also deserve our civil liberties. Thank you. Thank you. Elena stephens. Elena stephens.

2714
05:53:31,560 --> 05:53:31,560
it's not present. Elizabeth rash. Elizabeth rash is not present.

2715
05:53:39,240 --> 05:53:39,240
mitchell. Voss.

2716
05:53:55,040 --> 05:53:55,040
is this on now? Yes. Mayor johnson, members of the council.

2717
05:54:00,400 --> 05:54:00,400
thank you so much for your time. There's a handout that I've presented to you guys
Physically,

2718
05:54:05,920 --> 05:54:09,040
but also in your email. So you've got a copy of that. My name is mitchell voss. For the past seven years,
My partners and I have owned the lease at 341 unit apartment complex in east dallas,

2719
05:54:15,480 --> 05:54:15,480
home to about 500 residents. I'm here tonight not only for our property,
But as a voice for the neighborhood and for the people that live and work beside this

2720
05:54:23,520 --> 05:54:23,520
building every day. Directly across the street sits the declan zero tenants burned out
Units boarded up windows for a long stretch of drew squatters and unhoused people

2721
05:54:33,550 --> 05:54:36,310
into buildings. It is killing our neighborhood. And it isn't just my residents saying so. A neighbor down the road,
Brian posada on grant,

2722
05:54:40,870 --> 05:54:40,870
wrote to me in his words, people feel so unsafe every time they drive through.

2723
05:54:45,790 --> 05:54:48,830
things are falling apart and absolutely nothing is being done about it. I feel strongly action has to be taken. And it's not just residents.

2724
05:54:52,790 --> 05:54:52,790
brian savage runs sunbeam foods, a business right next to the lease,
And has provided meals to local daycares for 54 years.

2725
05:54:59,870 --> 05:54:59,870
this year, for the first time those 54 years,
His company was victim to an armed robbery,

2726
05:55:04,030 --> 05:55:04,030
where he employs nearly 20 people, and now he has to evaluate where he keeps doing
Business. In his words, the area has fallen apart with this derelict department and the

2727
05:55:10,470 --> 05:55:10,470
community and all that comes along with it. The owner,
Lauren, defaulted and walked away.

2728
05:55:16,310 --> 05:55:20,310
it's a. Its founder is a hedge fund manager from new york,
Now living in aspen. The lender, a core capital recently acquired by a japanese firm,
Had an.

2729
05:55:24,910 --> 05:55:27,350
had a receiver appointed back in june of last year. And since then they have paid for security only and not a single repair.

2730
05:55:31,830 --> 05:55:31,830
the city filed a code enforcement case and then stated in exchange for work,
And that the receivership was supposed to do that work was never done.

2731
05:55:39,070 --> 05:55:42,150
the property just sits. None of the people live there. My neighbors do, and they absorb it every day.

2732
05:55:44,950 --> 05:55:44,950
holding the line is not the plan. I'm here to ask you to force a resolution.

2733
05:55:49,510 --> 05:55:49,510
and there are two honest ways to do it. Option one condemn the property and give it to an
Owner who will actually fix it,

2734
05:55:56,270 --> 05:55:58,990
probably with a pair of tax abatement to make the numbers work. But it is fixable. It would take the order of magnitude of $25 million of private
Investment to rehabilitate this site.

2735
05:56:05,030 --> 05:56:08,230
we do not care who does it. We do care that it gets done. And putting people to work and returning housing in this market in the middle of a housing
Crisis does seem like the right thing. Option two if no one will rehab it,

2736
05:56:15,430 --> 05:56:15,430
tear it down. A cleared, secured lot safe is much safer for a family nearby than burned
Out.

2737
05:56:21,870 --> 05:56:21,870
hostage invites fire, crime and blight. What I am asking you not to do is nothing.

2738
05:56:27,660 --> 05:56:27,660
not another stay, not another year of a lender who will pay for a security guard but not
Repairs,

2739
05:56:33,180 --> 05:56:37,020
condemn it and sell it with an abatement, or condemn it and demolish it either way. Please act. This neighborhood deserves a decision.

2740
05:56:40,380 --> 05:56:40,380
my residents deserve a decision. Brian and brian both deserve far better,
And so do the families that were displaced from the decline.

2741
05:56:48,660 --> 05:56:52,060
thank you for listening. I hope you help dallas. Thank you. Chen zhao is not online. Not in the audience.

2742
05:56:59,980 --> 05:56:59,980
not present. Michaela watkins. Good evening everyone.

2743
05:57:06,220 --> 05:57:06,220
michaela watkins of district two. I wanted to draw your attention to a couple of points,
And I noticed that two of the young ladies that have spoken today have already

2744
05:57:16,140 --> 05:57:16,140
touched on the data centers and the flock cameras,
So I will try to be brief.

2745
05:57:21,780 --> 05:57:21,780
as I've stated previously in comments regarding the preservation of city hall.

2746
05:57:26,060 --> 05:57:26,060
I want to again remind you to not overlook these of our neighbors as you prepare to as you
Prepare for the bond and budget discussions,

2747
05:57:33,420 --> 05:57:36,980
as well as in conversations regarding the future of downtown. While I understand the sentiments of wanting to decrease crime,
I would implore you to consider the decrease.

2748
05:57:42,540 --> 05:57:42,540
we could see if proper provisions were afforded to these neighbors.

2749
05:57:46,580 --> 05:57:46,580
more often than not, the crime these neighbors perpetuate is due to necessity and
Desperation rather than mere malicious intent.

2750
05:57:53,900 --> 05:57:53,900
with increased capacity and support for the organizations that strive to support and
Rehabilitate,

2751
05:57:58,900 --> 05:58:02,740
you would be pleasantly surprised to see a decrease in crime rates. As reverend johnson mentioned in his invocation earlier,
In doing the work god has called you to do,

2752
05:58:07,860 --> 05:58:07,860
I ask you to keep matthew 2540 in mind. Whatever you did for one of the least of these
Brothers and sisters of mine,

2753
05:58:14,460 --> 05:58:14,460
you did for me. Let us strive to make an effort to prioritize their dignity and their
Humanity,

2754
05:58:20,140 --> 05:58:20,140
so that we may rehabilitate and reintegrate our neighbors into the community so that we
May all grow together and it will always be relevant.

2755
05:58:29,250 --> 05:58:29,250
but we do still want to save city hall. Thank you all for your time.

2756
05:58:33,450 --> 05:58:33,450
thank you, alex scott.

2757
05:59:01,490 --> 05:59:01,490
and alex scott 6472 trammel drive. And I'm your neighbor in district nine.

2758
05:59:11,490 --> 05:59:11,490
I need you all to understand how far you have lost the plot right now.

2759
05:59:17,410 --> 05:59:17,410
on monday, the finance committee meeting held a special called briefing.

2760
05:59:23,960 --> 05:59:23,960
and for a majority of it, y'all talked about the financial management and performance
Criteria policy and the objection

2761
05:59:34,160 --> 05:59:34,160
that was raised to why number 20 was brought up is ambiguity.

2762
05:59:41,440 --> 05:59:41,440
ambiguity in what a supermajority means. If you are in politics and you do not understand
What a supermajority means,

2763
05:59:50,440 --> 05:59:50,440
you should not be in this position. If you are a multi tenured politician in this city and
You do not understand the concept of what

2764
06:00:00,440 --> 06:00:00,440
a supermajority is, that's not my problem. Ambiguity does not mean you lowered the
Threshold of authority.

2765
06:00:10,480 --> 06:00:10,480
it means you put 13 in parentheses next to it.

2766
06:00:17,480 --> 06:00:17,480
is anyone listening to me? Does anyone else have a different definition of what ambiguity
Is?

2767
06:00:26,880 --> 06:00:26,880
because it is so evident the agenda that you are pushing for the adelsons here.

2768
06:00:34,400 --> 06:00:34,400
it is so evident how welcoming you are to fascism.

2769
06:00:40,760 --> 06:00:40,760
it is disgusting how comfortable you are with me mentioning fascism in this country,
In this city,

2770
06:00:48,240 --> 06:00:48,240
and you're standing there not even paying attention.

2771
06:00:56,680 --> 06:00:56,680
do you know why donald trump chose dallas for the republican national convention?

2772
06:01:06,440 --> 06:01:06,440
it is because the practices of fascism are welcome in this city.

2773
06:01:12,360 --> 06:01:12,360
and if you think I'm joking, there are nazis walking down main street doing the sieg heil
In race baiting our neighbors.

2774
06:01:22,070 --> 06:01:25,270
and if you're not aware of that, that's a problem,
You guys. This building was stood up because of an assassination of a president in this city,
Because we allowed

2775
06:01:35,190 --> 06:01:35,190
the business sector to take higher priority than our politicians who had authority here,
And we allowed things to get out of

2776
06:01:44,990 --> 06:01:44,990
control. And so I hope you're ready for when the rnc is here.

2777
06:01:50,190 --> 06:01:50,190
that's your time. Thank you. We will now go back to speaker 21 elizabeth rich.

2778
06:02:01,870 --> 06:02:05,190
good afternoon, mayor and city council. I'm elizabeth rich. I live in district 13, and I'm here today representing myself.

2779
06:02:09,670 --> 06:02:09,670
this is the first time I've addressed the city council since leaving the city in june of
2022,

2780
06:02:15,470 --> 06:02:15,470
quite intentionally. You've got great financial leadership in jack ireland,
And you don't need me popping up all the time and sharing my thoughts.

2781
06:02:23,270 --> 06:02:23,270
but today you considered pension obligation bonds,
And I feel very strongly that the city council should not go into this discussion.

2782
06:02:32,630 --> 06:02:32,630
eyes without eyes wide open. So you've already had your discussion.

2783
06:02:38,230 --> 06:02:38,230
I certainly listened. I just want one more time to make sure that as we go to the voters,
Which it seems as if maybe that's where the discussion is headed that we do

2784
06:02:47,830 --> 06:02:47,830
so understanding the risk pension obligation bonds are incredibly risky and speculative.

2785
06:02:55,510 --> 06:02:55,510
the government finance officers association recommends that state and local governments do
Not issue pobs.

2786
06:03:02,230 --> 06:03:02,230
I have yet to meet another pension restructuring expert who thinks that pobs are a silver
Bullet.

2787
06:03:08,990 --> 06:03:08,990
why? Pobs only work if you invest the proceeds at a higher rate of return than the
Interest rate you're paying on the bonds,

2788
06:03:18,380 --> 06:03:18,380
not just next year and the year after, but the entire time the debt is outstanding,
Likely decades.

2789
06:03:26,740 --> 06:03:26,740
pubs are taxable bonds, which means the interest rate you pay is almost certainly higher
Than what the city pays for its usual tax exempt debt.

2790
06:03:35,620 --> 06:03:35,620
pubs are complex investments, and the more complex the deal structure,
The more risk is introduced.

2791
06:03:42,420 --> 06:03:42,420
pubs may affect your credit rating if the rating agencies do not see that this is just one
Piece of a much broader plan to resolve the unfunded liabilities of the pension,

2792
06:03:53,140 --> 06:03:56,300
just ask puerto rico about the pubs it issue. Just months before the markets collapsed in 2008,
Pubs failed as an investment strategy and significantly contributed to puerto rico's

2793
06:04:05,500 --> 06:04:05,500
bankruptcy. I know there are going to be many experts and advisors who will support pubs
And many more who will clamor to be part of the deal.

2794
06:04:15,780 --> 06:04:15,780
but I have yet to meet a financial professional who will guarantee the performance of the
Market in the future.

2795
06:04:22,140 --> 06:04:22,140
and if the pension is unable to achieve its arbitrage goals,
Who will be left holding the bill?

2796
06:04:28,580 --> 06:04:28,580
I will. You will dallas taxpayers will. Thank you for your time,
I appreciate it.

2797
06:04:37,180 --> 06:04:37,180
I hope that you adequately consider the risk and that if you decide,
Or if your risk tolerance is higher than mine,

2798
06:04:43,300 --> 06:04:43,300
to move forward in this way, that you ensure that the repayment period of the bonds is
Shorter than the actuarial amortization period,

2799
06:04:52,260 --> 06:04:52,260
that you reduce your annual contribution every year,
At least by the amount of the debt service,

2800
06:04:57,580 --> 06:04:57,580
and that the pension board agree as a condition of receiving the funding that it will not
Establish a cola prior to the debt being retired.

2801
06:05:06,420 --> 06:05:06,420
thank you. Thank you. Dolores. Phillips. Dolores phillips,
23, 19 delworth street, apartment 119,

2802
06:05:15,210 --> 06:05:15,210
granbury, texas 75050. You do have handouts,
Keep in mind

2803
06:05:23,450 --> 06:05:23,450
df-92-11850 255th family district court, dallas

2804
06:05:33,290 --> 06:05:33,290
county. Keep in mind pr dash

2805
06:05:37,850 --> 06:05:37,850
23-03429-2. Probate court number two, dallas

2806
06:05:47,570 --> 06:05:47,570
county. You do have a letter dated july 13th,
2026,

2807
06:05:56,650 --> 06:05:56,650
directly from the fbi copied exactly as I received it after I for a second time once in
2024

2808
06:06:07,210 --> 06:06:07,210
and this year requested for the fbi to investigate me,
To see if anything was connected to my name that I didn't know about,

2809
06:06:16,410 --> 06:06:16,410
because there were full fledged investigations that honorable warren instructed and
Ordered in my dad's guardianship case.

2810
06:06:25,850 --> 06:06:25,850
they denied me guardianship. Now, when you're looking at what is attached to this,
Is that fbi said that they found something in irvin.

2811
06:06:35,170 --> 06:06:35,170
it was the only hit. What you see is an arrest of me with fingerprints.

2812
06:06:42,210 --> 06:06:42,210
it's not me. I don't play with the law. So now we know before the premeditated dpd report
Number

2813
06:06:52,210 --> 06:06:52,210
0273291 dash aye. There was a fabricated arrest report in irvin

2814
06:07:00,890 --> 06:07:00,890
11-23814. You first and foremost, first and foremost,

2815
06:07:11,440 --> 06:07:11,440
have the duty. Duty to do what's right for the people that's in this building,
To keep them safe.

2816
06:07:17,080 --> 06:07:17,080
and the citizens of dallas, for those beyond race who say that this was the people's
Building and is the people's building.

2817
06:07:26,280 --> 06:07:26,280
I'm not going to allow you to be in deliberate denial.

2818
06:07:31,000 --> 06:07:31,000
this was never the people's building. My daddy's demise before his time was a hit.

2819
06:07:37,520 --> 06:07:37,520
you have people beyond race in my shoes. I'm not going to be afraid to speak the truth.

2820
06:07:44,600 --> 06:07:44,600
it's steady coming out. I asked the fbi person on the phone could they have made a
Mistake?

2821
06:07:51,400 --> 06:07:51,400
she said, we used the fingerprints that you sent us to compare what irving police had in
His shoe.

2822
06:07:58,240 --> 06:07:58,240
she was offended because she thought that I was questioning her integrity.

2823
06:08:03,160 --> 06:08:07,160
your very own cherie cusumano and mary-lou velez. Thorne said that it was filed building now. Stay with me now.

2824
06:08:12,160 --> 06:08:12,160
keep in mind cherie cusumano and mary-lou velez thorne,
They kept notes.

2825
06:08:17,920 --> 06:08:17,920
thank you. Nicole majka. She's not here.

2826
06:08:27,680 --> 06:08:27,680
nicole. Majka, virtual. Miss majka, I'm going to move on.

2827
06:08:37,440 --> 06:08:37,440
john plourde. Hello. I'm there. Hello. Is this miss majka?

2828
06:08:45,000 --> 06:08:48,080
yeah. Sorry, I was. It looked like it was my end. I was trying to get. It was. Everything was still unmuted. Look like. I'm sorry about
That. Okay.

2829
06:08:52,320 --> 06:08:52,320
you may continue. Oh, actually. I'm. I'm. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry.

2830
06:09:00,200 --> 06:09:00,200
I'm at work at the same time. Okay. I'm so sorry.

2831
06:09:06,310 --> 06:09:06,310
I starting. Okay. Hello? Hello, hello. Yes, we can see you and hear you.

2832
06:09:11,550 --> 06:09:11,550
you may hear me, I am, I greatly apologize. Okay,
Let me start.

2833
06:09:15,710 --> 06:09:15,710
okay. So good evening, council members. As I sit here before you today,
The horse drawn carriage industry is slowly crumbling and nearing its end.

2834
06:09:24,430 --> 06:09:24,430
city and countries around the world are recognizing that this outdated practice no longer
Belongs in modern society.

2835
06:09:31,830 --> 06:09:31,830
equally compassionate people are speaking out and working to end it.

2836
06:09:35,910 --> 06:09:39,550
one of the most significant victories is currently taking place in new york city. Tragically, it took the loss of a tourist's life to help bring about roman law.

2837
06:09:44,590 --> 06:09:44,590
if I said that correctly which will phase out and ban horse drawn carriages by june 1st,
2028 while also ending the issuing of new licenses.

2838
06:09:53,470 --> 06:09:53,470
the question is how many more people and horses must be injured or lost their lose their
Lives.

2839
06:09:58,350 --> 06:09:58,350
before we act, we have the opportunity to prevent further tragedy by ending this dangerous
And inhumane industry.

2840
06:10:05,550 --> 06:10:05,550
now, no matter how you look at it, horse drawn carriages are not a good idea.

2841
06:10:09,750 --> 06:10:12,990
they put both animals and people at unnecessary risk. I respectfully ask you to vote to end horse drawn carriages operations and allow these
Animals to live out the rest of their lives in peace and safety,

2842
06:10:21,950 --> 06:10:21,950
in an accredited sanctuary, where they can finally receive the care and retirement that
They deserve.

2843
06:10:27,350 --> 06:10:27,350
thank you for your time. Thank you. John.

2844
06:10:37,070 --> 06:10:37,070
john plourde. I'll move on. Gloria carbajal.

2845
06:10:56,030 --> 06:10:56,030
sorry. I'm here if you're able to take me. Your microphone.

2846
06:11:03,220 --> 06:11:05,980
there's a button at the base. Okay. Good afternoon. Today marks my 17th time speaking before you on this important issue.

2847
06:11:10,260 --> 06:11:10,260
horse drawn carriages in downtown dallas. I want to just remind you of some of the recent
Occurrences.

2848
06:11:16,700 --> 06:11:16,700
on friday, july the 19th. Myself and one other individual witnessed one of the regular
Drivers.

2849
06:11:27,340 --> 06:11:27,340
make a run a red light. In a very busy area over saint paul,
Over woodall rodgers freeway,

2850
06:11:36,900 --> 06:11:36,900
right next to klyde warren park. Very busy area.

2851
06:11:40,980 --> 06:11:40,980
the following day, I witnessed the same driver just she's a one of the frequent drivers.

2852
06:11:50,740 --> 06:11:50,740
anyway, she picked up a group of customers, a couple at some random location on the corner
Of 1600 saint

2853
06:12:01,970 --> 06:12:01,970
street and 700 north avery street. Council members,
Please note that this is not anywhere near the three locations that I normally see them

2854
06:12:11,090 --> 06:12:11,090
work out of. So it's really obvious to myself and others that this,
Especially this particular driver takes things and

2855
06:12:21,130 --> 06:12:21,130
applies them to her own satisfaction. Again,
Picking random places is a violation of section 47,

2856
06:12:29,770 --> 06:12:29,770
a 3.4 application for operation authority, in addition to the information required by
Section 47,

2857
06:12:37,650 --> 06:12:37,650
a 21.2 of this chapter to obtain an operating author,
Author, author permit for the transportation for hire service offered by

2858
06:12:47,490 --> 06:12:47,490
non-motorized passenger transport vehicles. The verified application statement filed with
The director must include to the proposal routes.

2859
06:12:57,170 --> 06:12:57,170
proposed routes to be offered. Ordinance 29596,
Effective 430 2015.

2860
06:13:05,570 --> 06:13:05,570
finally, I'll end this. This is another reminder.

2861
06:13:09,970 --> 06:13:09,970
just a couple of days ago monday in charleston,
South carolina, there was another horse carriage accident

2862
06:13:20,250 --> 06:13:20,250
leaving two people injured. Both were sent out to the hospital.

2863
06:13:25,490 --> 06:13:25,490
the horse was startled by an approaching truck.

2864
06:13:30,090 --> 06:13:30,090
the accident also caused damage to a parking car.

2865
06:13:34,570 --> 06:13:34,570
again, this is a reminder. A reminder that we must be proactive instead of reactive before
Dallas has its own similar

2866
06:13:43,930 --> 06:13:43,930
headline. Thank you for your time. We'll see you next month.

2867
06:13:47,970 --> 06:13:47,970
thank you. I'd like to note john claude is no longer online.

2868
06:13:52,250 --> 06:13:52,250
bernadine harrison.

2869
06:14:22,240 --> 06:14:22,240
mayor johnson and members of the dallas city council.

2870
06:14:26,800 --> 06:14:26,800
good evening. My name is bernadine harrison and I have a property located in district six.

2871
06:14:34,160 --> 06:14:34,160
and I'm here today to address a matter concerning property located at 3630 morris street,
Dallas,

2872
06:14:42,400 --> 06:14:42,400
75212. This property was acquired by my late husband through probate proceedings over 20
Years ago.

2873
06:14:53,400 --> 06:14:53,400
and recently I learned from the city code division that there are 4 or 5 violations
Attached to this property that totaled

2874
06:15:03,080 --> 06:15:03,080
$2,236.07. They date back more than two decades ago.

2875
06:15:13,200 --> 06:15:13,200
so despite having maintained the same mailing address in desoto,
Where I currently live for over 27 years,

2876
06:15:22,040 --> 06:15:22,040
neither my late husband nor I have received any correspondence or notices regarding these
Liens,

2877
06:15:30,960 --> 06:15:30,960
and therefore, in my opinion, it is concerning that the city of dallas could have easily
Ascertained our correct mailing address

2878
06:15:41,280 --> 06:15:41,280
through either property tax records or the dallas central appraisal districts.

2879
06:15:47,840 --> 06:15:51,590
however, the city of dallas code compliance division. They failed to exercise due diligence in this matter,
And consequently, they have violated the inherent covenant and texas law

2880
06:16:01,670 --> 06:16:01,670
of good faith and fair dealing. So therefore,
Under the circumstances, I am respectfully requesting your assistance and the council's

2881
06:16:11,350 --> 06:16:11,350
consideration to relieve me of these liens for the following reasons.

2882
06:16:16,790 --> 06:16:16,790
the lesions are over 20 years old. The city states that they have no further records in
This regard,

2883
06:16:23,630 --> 06:16:23,630
and that they have communicated no bills to show the rightful owner.

2884
06:16:30,590 --> 06:16:30,590
during this entire 20 year period, and the property,
To reiterate, was acquired through probate and the alleged violations occurred

2885
06:16:40,670 --> 06:16:40,670
before my late husband became the owner and the city has had ample opportunity to notify
Both me and my

2886
06:16:50,550 --> 06:16:50,550
husband that these liens existed. And they failed to do so.

2887
06:16:56,510 --> 06:16:56,510
under texas law, constituents have the right to face our accusers.

2888
06:17:01,510 --> 06:17:01,510
and in this instance, the accuser is the city of dallas.

2889
06:17:05,790 --> 06:17:05,790
they have denied us due process in this regard,
Because I cannot address an issue that I do not know that it exists.

2890
06:17:15,350 --> 06:17:15,350
so in conclusion, I seek a fair resolution that acknowledges the above circumstances.

2891
06:17:22,350 --> 06:17:22,350
your time and allows me to clear this matter up equitably and fairly.

2892
06:17:27,670 --> 06:17:27,670
thank you. Thank you. Mark daly. Mark daly is not present.

2893
06:17:35,550 --> 06:17:35,550
nathan goldsmith.

2894
06:17:56,220 --> 06:17:59,620
okay. Good evening mayor. Thanks for your time today. The reason why I'm here. Yesterday I received a.

2895
06:18:06,220 --> 06:18:06,220
it's back there. Received a citation in a sense from the a notice of noncompliance from a
Company named parking revenue recovery

2896
06:18:16,020 --> 06:18:16,020
services, inc. Out of colorado. The location that they said that the violation was at was
Kind of incorrect.

2897
06:18:25,620 --> 06:18:25,620
it stated 8525 south state highway 78. Later coming to find out that the correct address
Would have been 8525 garland road,

2898
06:18:35,540 --> 06:18:38,780
which is the dallas arboretum and botanical gardens. On this notice, there was a, a a decent photo of a vehicle that looks to be at the
Entrance and exit of the dallas arboretum.

2899
06:18:48,820 --> 06:18:48,820
the notice identified that the noncompliance is for no permit,
No facility registration, and an unauthorized parking.

2900
06:18:55,540 --> 06:18:55,540
the notice assessed a fine of $82. And further looking on the dallas parking

2901
06:19:05,740 --> 06:19:05,740
enforcement and management. $82 seem to be a bit extensive,
Being that the most penalized parking violation is 250 for

2902
06:19:15,300 --> 06:19:15,300
handicap. And the, the, the, the other highest under that would be $50 for parking at
Blocking an entrance.

2903
06:19:29,060 --> 06:19:29,060
the problem I have here is why did I receive a $82 non compliance parking violation fine
For a vehicle that is not

2904
06:19:38,900 --> 06:19:38,900
registered to me. Further investigation. What I'm concerned about this is that these
Appear to be some type of flock camera

2905
06:19:49,410 --> 06:19:49,410
that is taking this photograph and sending bills to people that don't own the vehicle.

2906
06:19:57,090 --> 06:20:00,810
so the person that probably owns the vehicle isn't getting the notice. And the repercussions to that is a notice that they give on the citation that they sent
Me.

2907
06:20:06,890 --> 06:20:06,890
and that is after 30 days, it'll be sent to debt collection,
And that the next time the vehicle is parked in one of the parking lots or spots that they

2908
06:20:15,850 --> 06:20:15,850
manage, that it will be towed for the individual that owns the vehicle that doesn't get
This citation,

2909
06:20:24,170 --> 06:20:24,170
but somebody else does. What is that like when you return to get your vehicle and were
Never notified properly?

2910
06:20:37,210 --> 06:20:39,610
that is all I have to say at this time. Thank you sir. Thank you, jodie whittaker. Hello? Can you hear me?

2911
06:20:49,290 --> 06:20:52,970
yes, we can hear you and see you. Thank you. Good evening. Dallas officials, please listen to these names.

2912
06:20:56,210 --> 06:20:56,210
romanch mahajan, 18 years old, minnesota man,
44 years old.

2913
06:21:02,330 --> 06:21:02,330
fredrick duzan, 76 years old. Henry stauffer,
65 years old.

2914
06:21:08,610 --> 06:21:08,610
unnamed man, 76 years old. Bobby and john esch,
38, and 39 years old.

2915
06:21:16,210 --> 06:21:16,210
unnamed motorcyclist, 64 years old. Unnamed infant,
Four months old.

2916
06:21:21,730 --> 06:21:21,730
michael bates, 41 years old. Owen hostetler,
37 years old.

2917
06:21:27,290 --> 06:21:27,290
donna hicklin, 20 years old. Fonda freeman, 52 years old.

2918
06:21:32,010 --> 06:21:32,010
these people are just a handful of the human victims of horse drawn carriage rides that I
Found via online news articles.

2919
06:21:39,520 --> 06:21:43,440
these people did not just suffer injuries, they died. Horse carriage proponents will tell you that when there's an accident,
It was because the horse had a medical issue.

2920
06:21:48,960 --> 06:21:48,960
it was a result of road conditions. It was stray voltage or a number of other excuses.

2921
06:21:54,920 --> 06:21:54,920
it actually doesn't matter how or why people were killed because of this risky relic.

2922
06:21:59,280 --> 06:21:59,280
the fact is, horse carriages are unnecessary in 2026.

2923
06:22:04,160 --> 06:22:04,160
others will say that people die in cars and motorcycles every day,
And that is true.

2924
06:22:08,600 --> 06:22:08,600
but people depend on their automobiles to go to work,
School and visit family every day.

2925
06:22:13,920 --> 06:22:17,920
we don't use horse carriages in our daily lives. These are strictly for entertainment, but they are very dangerous.

2926
06:22:21,200 --> 06:22:21,200
and every single time a 2000 plus pound prey animal frightens easily is hooked up to a
Carriage.

2927
06:22:28,040 --> 06:22:28,040
the city of dallas is putting tourists, residents and horses at deadly risk.

2928
06:22:33,320 --> 06:22:33,320
please take a cue from other cities that have either had to ban horse carriages due to one
Of these preventable tragedies,

2929
06:22:39,520 --> 06:22:39,520
or cities like chicago that ended it before a death occurred on its streets on behalf of
The partnership to ban horse carriages.

2930
06:22:47,240 --> 06:22:47,240
thousands of supporters, hundreds of animal protection organizations,
And the millions who signed petitions worldwide.

2931
06:22:54,200 --> 06:22:54,200
I am urging you to please do the right thing,
Protect the public and those without a voice and ban horse carriages now.

2932
06:23:01,240 --> 06:23:01,240
thank you. Thank you. Donna bush is not present.

2933
06:23:08,400 --> 06:23:08,400
bernice randolph not present. Marvin crenshaw is not present.

2934
06:23:14,400 --> 06:23:14,400
mr. Mayor, this concludes your open microphone. Speakers for this meeting. Wonderful.

2935
06:23:18,920 --> 06:23:21,040
do we have any other business today, mr. Mayor? There's no further business for this meeting. Wonderful. Well,
Then the time is 6:16 p.m.,

2936
06:23:25,960 --> 06:23:29,960
and I'll say that this meeting is now adjourned. Thank you very much, members, for your patience today.