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>> Not where you not where I am.

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>> All right.

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Welcome to the D Point City Council

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meeting for October 6, 2026. City clerk,

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will you please call the role?

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>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Please let the

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record show that all council members are

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present.

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>> Thank you, ma'am. Uh, city attorney, is

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there a need for close session?

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>> Yes, Mr. Mayor, we have the following

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items this evening. First, we have a

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conference with legal counsel as a

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result of anticipated litigation due to

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the significant exposure to litigation

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pursuant to government code section

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54956.9D2.

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We have four cases to discuss. Next, we

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have a conference of legal counsel in

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connection with our uh quarterly

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litigation strategy review, including

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the potential discussion of the

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following existing litigation items

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pursuant to government code section 54

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Uh we have 10 cases to discuss. First is

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concerned residents of Dana Point versus

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City of Dana Point, Orange County Spirit

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Court, case number 2019117892.

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Nexus Center for Natural Lands

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Management versus City of Dana Point,

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Orange County Spirit Court case number

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30202101-219668.

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Next is CAR versus City of Dana Point,

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Orange County Spirit Court case number

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201180970749.

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Next is City of Dana Point versus Paul

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Frederick Meyers. Orange County Spirit

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Court case number 302021301502.

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Next is ST Apartments versus City of

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Dana Point, Orange County Spirit Court

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case number 3020241397922.

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Nexus California Housing Defense Fund

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versus City of Dana Point, Orange County

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Spirit Court case number 30202501483327.

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Nexus Center for Natural Lands

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Management versus City of Dana Point,

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Orange County Spirit Court case number

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30202501524239.

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Next, City of Dana Point versus

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California Coastal Commission. Orange

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30202601558283.

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Next, City of Dana Point versus SNDLP.

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And last is Dana Point Advocates versus

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Sana Point Orange County Spirit Court.

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Case number 302061582868.

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That concludes my report.

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>> Well done, city clerk. Are there any

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public comments regarding close session?

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>> No, sir.

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>> We will now recess to close session till

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6 pm. Thank you.

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over by

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know how to get it pretty close.

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There's Pat. Come on, Mike.

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>> Once I see his face.

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» Oh, wow.

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» Matthew.

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>> 750.

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>> All right. Ready?

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>> We're on 750.

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>> 15. 750 overrun.

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>> Oh, good lord. All right, we're gonna

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get started.

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» There he is.

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>> Welcome to D Point City Council meeting

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for October 6, 2026.

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We will now reconvene our meeting. City

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attorney, is there anything to report

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from close session?

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>> No, Mr. Mayor.

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>> Thanks, sir. The pledge of allegiance

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will be led by Mr. Pagano.

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>> All right, turn to face the flag. Right

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hand your heart begin.

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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> All right. Thank you. Thank you. Let's

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see. I got to get my notes.

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They all came for this proclamation. No

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doubt. So, first is our National Arts

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and Humanities Month proclamation. So,

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if you can if all the ambassadors can

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join me on stage, PLEASE

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come on up, folks. I know you're not

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bashful.

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» Anybody want to talk first? All

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>> Tonight, it's my pleasure to recognize

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October as the National Arts and

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Humanities Month for the city of Dana

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Point. For more than 30 years, the

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communities across the country have used

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this month to celebrate the powers of

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art, culture, and humanities to enrich

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our lives, and strengthen our

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communities. Here in Dana Point, the

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arts help us tell our story, inspire

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creativity, and bring people together,

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contribute to the vibrancy of our city.

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On behalf of the city council, I want to

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thank our arts ambassadors for their

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dedication and leadership in promoting

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arts and culture opportunities for

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residents and visitors alike. Please

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join me in celebrating the National Arts

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and Humanities Month and in continuing

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to support the arts in Dana Point. With

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that, here's our proclamation. Thank you

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so much.

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All right,

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» go ahead. I know you want to say

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something. No,

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>> I can talk.

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We're all impacted by AI, right?

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Artificial intelligence is everywhere.

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So, I'm encouraging everybody to think

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of AI.

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Art is important. Think think of the

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visual music arts about all the humans

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that go into producing it. So, I

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appreciate this opportunity to share my new mission. And I'd like to quote

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somebody who said that uh sand is the

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currency of Dana Point. Wasn't it

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something like that?

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>> Something like that.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Anybody else?

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» All I want to say is thank you all for

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the support of everything here in Dana

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Point. But this coming Saturday there is

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an arts and culture tour on the trolley.

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It's loads of fun and you get to go

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around and see all the amazing

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sculptures, murals,

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all the historical places that we have

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right here in Dana Point. So, please

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come out. Thank you.

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» All right. Thank you so much.

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>> Thank you. No, no, no. It's it's photo

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time.

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Hey young folks, everybody seen

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elephants in town?

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>> Mr. Jarger here is the one who made that

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happen long time ago.

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Jim.

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» Oh, I'm sorry. I'm like searching

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around. Come on up, Jim.

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» There's this there's this famous quote

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by a guy named St. Francis Aisi and he

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said long ago that

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preach the gospel every day and

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occasionally use words and every time I

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see Jim that's what I think about there

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are people who live the gospel who teach

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it every day who live what it means to

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be a servant leader who lives the

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beatitude in everything he does and

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we're blessed to have you in our

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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>> We have a certificate of recognition for

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our volunteer of the quarter for Jim

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who's done a great year or a great thing

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for the city of Dana Point and his Fish

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for Life program since 2010. We're up to

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3,500 young people now.

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>> 4,000.

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>> Oh, 4,000 now. 4,000 young people,

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special needs kids that Jim and his team

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and the the the sea of volunteers that

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he has to include Donna at uh Dana Warf

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Sports Fishing that take these young

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people out and take them fishing for the

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day and they just do an amazing job and

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it uh it is good for your soul every

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time you go down there and you see it.

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So with that, we have a certificate of

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recognition for you and for our

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volunteer of the quarter and we're

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blessed to have you in our community.

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» Oh, okay.

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>> Well, those of you not familiar with

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Fish for Life, we do we take special

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needs children fishing. You know, we

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typically have 100 people on the boat,

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30 special needs kids, ages 8 to 21, 30

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volunteers and 40 uh or 30 chapters and

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40 volunteers. all started right here in Dana Point on the Dana Pride, our

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mother ship out of the Dana Wararf. Uh

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we've since expanded. We've had trips,

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gosh, in San Diego. Uh we have Ensenada.

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We even did a couple trips in Chicago

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off the Navy Pier. Uh and uh and then we

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have a couple chapters in New Jersey.

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But all the leadership comes right here

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for training on the Dana Pride. And

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John, I'm so very grateful for this. But

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you know, it's not about me, it's about

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we. It's such a team effort and we have

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this has been just a magnet for the

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needest people with the greatest hearts

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to come and serve and just love on these

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kids and their families. So, thank you

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all and thank you for the support of the

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city.

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Thank you so much.

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would have been a snake. It would have

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hit me. Chief, come on up and you get to

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introduce yourself. We'll start with you

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introducing yourself to the team.

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Chief Back off. How are you? I'm John.

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Mark here. Tell us a little bit about

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yourself, then we'll talk about

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>> All right. An introduction on top of a

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proclamation. Uh my name is Mark Back

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Off. I'm the division chief now for

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division 3. take it over for Shane Maul

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who's recently promoted to our assistant

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chief of training and EMS. Uh so I'll be

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the direct uh contact for the city

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manager and this and the city staff for

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anything related to Dana Point. Been

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with the department for about 27 years

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and uh looking forward to the challenge.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. So

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tonight we are pleased to recognize fire

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prevention week for October 4th through

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the the 10th. Uh this year's theme is

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charge into fire safety. Remind me not

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to have any more coffee before these

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meetings.

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Uh safe safe charging is a superpower.

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remind us that lithium uh power uh many

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of powers many devices we use every day

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including cell phones, laptops, ebikes,

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power tools, and children's toys. While

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these batteries provide convenience and

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efficiency, they pose a serious fire

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threat. Uh for if they're not uh

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properly charged or damaged or if

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they're uh if they're disposed

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incorrectly. Fire prevention week is an

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opportunity for us to use uh to learn

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safe, simple practices that can help

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prevent fires and such as manufacturers

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approved chargers, charging with devices

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on hard surfaces, and moving away from

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combustible materials.

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I'd also like to thank the dedicated

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firemen and women of the Orange County

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Fire Authority for their continued

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commitment to public education, fire

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prevention, and protecting the residents

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of Dana Point. On behalf of the Denpoint

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City Council, it's my pleasure to

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present this proclamation recognizing

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the fire prevention week to division

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chief Mark Beoff. Thank you for your

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leadership. Thanks.

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Moving on to reading of ordinance

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titles. City clerk, are there any

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ordinance titles to be read this

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evening?

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>> Yes, sir. Tonight before you is an

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ordinance of the city council of the

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city of Dana Point, California, amending

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the Dana Point municipal sections

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relating to appeal procedures. 2.04

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appeals to council. 1.10 administrative

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citations 2.50 50 judicial review

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administrative mandemous state of

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limitations 3.25 transient occupancy tax

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5.02 regulation of street vending

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activities 5.03 regulation of sidewalk

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vendors 5.20 massage regulations 5.30

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cable communication franchises 5.32

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adult oriented businesses 5.36 customer

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service and other video related matters

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6.10 10 Solid Waste Disposal and Organic

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Waste Diversion. 6.12 Construction and

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Demolition Debris. 6.14

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Nuisances General 6.15 Landscape and

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Maintenance of Vacant Property and

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Commercial District. 7.05 Tenative Maps

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Procedures. 7.24 Final Maps Requirements

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and Procedures. 7.30 Certificate of

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Compliance. 7.32 Lotline Lline

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Adjustments. 8.01 01 grading and

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excavation control 8.10

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relocated buildings code 8.18 uniform

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swimming pool spa and hot tub code 8.40

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reasonable accommodation.

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>> Well done. Thank you ma'am.

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>> Consent calendar. All matters listed

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under the consent calendar considered to

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be routine and all will be enacted by

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one roll call vote. There are no

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separate discussion on these items

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unless a member of the council uh the

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public or the staff request specific

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items to be removed from the consent

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calendar for separate action. Are there

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any items to be removed by the public?

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>> No, sir.

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>> By the staff?

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>> No, sir.

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>> Council members?

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>> Yes, sir. Uh item six, please.

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>> All right.

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>> And I'll move the balance.

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>> Do you want to have a staff report first

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or do you just want to say something?

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>> No, but we can go with the balance

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first.

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>> Okay. Second. Okay. All those in favor?

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>> I I

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>> for those of you who don't have a uh an

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agenda in front of you, item six is our youth uh uh data point youth board

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appointees and hopefully some of them

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are in the room today. Uh I just wanted

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to pull it just to personally uh thank

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all of these young men and women who are

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volunteering their time. These are high

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school students uh from all of our local

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high schools and and it's no shock that

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these are all like, you know, AP

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students. They're all like advanced

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classes and sports and clubs and yet

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they volunteer their time to be on the

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uh advisory board. And it's not lost on

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me or I'm sure my fellow council members

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that it it's it's a very dedicated

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position. Um, I'm super grateful that they bother to take the time uh to

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do that and it's important to our city

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to have this this youth board. So, I

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want to thank each and every one of them

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for uh volunteering their time. That's

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all I had. Mr. Mayor,

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>> thank you very much. Anyone else?

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>> I'll move that.

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>> Okay. I will tell you that this is one

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of the opportunities in your in your

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life when adults will listen to you very

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closely. So please, if you see stuff

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that you want to fix it within town,

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please please bring it to our attention.

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So with that, we have a motion.

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>> Second.

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>> All those in favor?

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>> I.

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» Public comments. We will now open the

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public comments portion of the meeting.

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This is an opportunity to address the

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city council on items that are not on

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tonight's agenda. Comments on the agenda

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are to be taken after the staff

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presentation of each item. There is will

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be a threeinut time limit per person. If

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you have not completed a speaker slip,

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please do so now at datapoint.org

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comments. All comments are be directed

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to the city council and shall not

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consist of any personal attacks. Members

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of the public are expected to maintain a

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professional courteous decorum during

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their comments. State law prohibits the

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city council for taking action on a

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specific item unless it appears on the

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posted agenda.

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And our first speaker will be Mr. Ryan

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Reich

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of San Juan Capistron.

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Uh thank you guys. Since I only have

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three minutes, I'm going to read quickly

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since I have a fairly uh lengthy

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statement to cover. U my name is Ryan

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Reich and I'm the current president of

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Dana Point Youth Baseball. I'm here uh

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with some members of our community,

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mostly some of the youngsters on our

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from our tsunami program. I'd like to

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present you with a quick update of our

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league and ask for your help with a

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particular challenge that continues to

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grow in our community. We're currently

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underway with our fall season with over

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550 players and 44 teams. This past

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spring, we were able to accommodate

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close to 850 players across 68 teams.

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So, by way of comparison, in 20 2022, we

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had about 600 players and 47 teams. So,

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for those of you that don't like math,

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that's about a 50% growth rate over four

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years. So, we've basically grown about

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10% per year, but we have the same

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number of fields. So, the good news is

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we have a really great league. It's

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thriving. We have a ton of wonderful

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volunteers. Um, and I think we're

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providing a good public service to the

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community and a good product that, uh,

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people speak highly about and continue

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to recommend to their friends. Um, we've spent a lot of time focusing on

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growing the younger divisions. So, um,

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just less than six years old, we have 22

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teams now, which used to be about 10.

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Um, and we we kind of targeted that age

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group because we felt like it would

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benefit the whole league. And if you

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focus on the youngest groups, you make

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it a little more competitive, a little

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more serious. Um, that, you know, that

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sort of would roll uphill. And it's kind

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of done that. Um, and so, like I said,

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we're we're up to 22 teams below six

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years old. We have another 14, so call

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that 36 below 8 years old. Um, we have

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five fields. We have three at Dana

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Point. We have two that we've kind of

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taken for granted at Dana Hills High

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School. Their softball fields that we've

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used exclusively for the last eight

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years. Um, and fortunately for them, and

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then we're a big supporter of that

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program, that's uh they've only ever had

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one team. Um, and so we've had almost

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exclusive use of those two fields. The

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hope is they're going to eventually have

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a JV team and a freshman team and club

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teams and all the rest of it for

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softball. So, we're going to eventually

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have less use over there. This past

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spring, uh, we were completely maxed

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out. And so, we turned away a couple

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kids, not many, uh, for the first time

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ever. Um, and I expect this problem's

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going to grow. Now, we have a few levers

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we can pull to um you know, get

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creative, play, you know, play games on

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Sundays, etc. But um the the sort of the ask here or not ask, but the sort of

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I'm here to sort of say, look, we have a

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great thing going. Um we service the

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Dana Point community and the surrounding

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communities. We have about um we have

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30% of our players are from Dana Point.

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About 50% are split evenly between San

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Juan and San Clemeni and then about 15

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are from uh Laguna and Niguel. Um, I

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have to stop.

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>> Okay. So, uh, if you could find any

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space within the community to, uh,

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potentially remake, rebuild, build a

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field to to provide more access so that

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we can continue to provide these

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services for the kids, we'd be greatly

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appreciative. We thank you for

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everything you guys do for us. So, thank

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you.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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>> Mr. Mayor, uh, Kelly, is somebody

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working with Ryan already?

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>> Uh, yes. Jeff Rosler has been in

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communications with our neighbors on

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their fields and trying to figure out if

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we can do some joint field use type

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opportunities. So we we certainly are um

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aware of their issue and have been

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trying to

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>> work on it.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Mr. Jarger.

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» Good evening again. Uh very briefly just

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to comment on Dana Point's fourth annual

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upcoming film festival. Um it's it's

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growing greatly. It is self-funded. It

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is a nonprofit. Over 30 films, shorts,

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and films are going to be presented at

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is it called the port hole? Is it called

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in at the high school theater? Um I

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present this not as an advocate, but of

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course the roots of it was is the surf

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world. I mean we are surf community, an

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ocean community, a water community. But

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the idea of film is also uh uh there's a

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lot of human effort that goes into it

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and encourage people to come and see it

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for the sake of seeing film. These are

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real people who go to the to the trouble

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of filming the content, creating the

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content, producing it. So it's all

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hands-on all the way till we get to the digital uh um end point. The

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actual film festival is October 29,

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3031. There's an opening ceremony and a

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closing event at Killer Dana. Just start

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just now. The organization, I would say,

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is late in getting the word out because

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we're going to try to have it grow

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beyond just the obvious. So, our gallery

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is taking upon itself to make certain

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that every business on Delpra and the

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Latin District is clearly aware of this

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opportunity. The tickets are almost

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nominal or somebody needs help, we'll

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provide the the tickets as well. But

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please make a point of trying to catch

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one of them and just have that

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experience and share it because we

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believe that adds to benefit the hotels

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as well. It can grow over the years into

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a significant annual cultural community

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and uh regional engagement. Thank you

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for listening.

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Dana, I just want to make sure you know,

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um, we will certainly help you with

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marketing if you if you give us the

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social media stuff and whatnot. So,

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» thank you, Mayor Pat.

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>> Miss Kero Keepro.

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» Good evening, mayor and members of the

543
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,880
city council. My name is Gloria Capiro

544
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,960
and I'm a resident of Dana Point. I'm

545
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,960
here tonight to respectfully request

546
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:28,560
that you keep the pickle ball lines at

547
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:30,239
Dana Crest Park and lift play

548
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:32,400
restrictions once the community center

549
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,960
courts reopen. Dana Crest is a public

550
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:37,360
park that belongs to all of Dana Point.

551
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:39,119
Over three decades, I've brought my

552
02:12:39,119 --> 02:12:41,360
children and now my grandchildren there

553
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,920
to play. Pickle ball has broadened this

554
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,239
park's value across generations,

555
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:47,920
supporting children, families, and

556
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:50,000
active seniors who rely on it for

557
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,320
physical health and social connection.

558
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:54,560
For four years, local community play,

559
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:56,639
including Saturday games organized by

560
02:12:56,639 --> 02:12:58,639
coach Bernie Kaine for pickle ball

561
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:01,040
players of all ages and abilities, ran

562
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,520
smoothly without a single complaint. The

563
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:06,239
recent surge in it surge in activity

564
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,000
occurred solely because the community

565
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,320
center courts closed for refurbishment,

566
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:12,159
displacing players who were directed to

567
02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:14,719
Dana as a temporary alternative.

568
02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:16,719
Permanently removing the lines in

569
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,639
response to a short-term issue

570
02:13:18,639 --> 02:13:21,199
unnecessarily shuts out seniors, youth,

571
02:13:21,199 --> 02:13:22,800
and families who use the park

572
02:13:22,800 --> 02:13:25,040
responsibly. Once the refurbished

573
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:27,280
community center courts reopen, players

574
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:29,520
will return there and play at Dana will

575
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,119
naturally return to its standard

576
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:33,679
neighborhood baseline. I urge the city

577
02:13:33,679 --> 02:13:35,840
council and our neighbors to exercise

578
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:37,920
patience. Please keep the pickle ball

579
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:40,320
lines so local families can continue

580
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:42,800
enjoying the public park together. And

581
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,880
finally, thank you to the council and

582
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:47,360
city staff for for your hard work and

583
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:49,199
investment in improving Dana Point's

584
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,119
pickle ball facilities. We truly

585
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:52,719
appreciate your support and are really

586
02:13:52,719 --> 02:13:54,560
looking forward to the new courts. Thank

587
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:55,360
you.

588
02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:59,030
>> Thank you,

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02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:02,550
» Miss Horn.

590
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:04,560
Miss,

591
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,000
>> I just want to start this off by saying

592
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,520
that grandmas are the best in the whole

593
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:14,550
world, right?

594
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:16,639
Hi, my name is Bridget Horn and I live

595
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:19,199
in Dana Point and I'm 12 years old. I'm

596
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:20,880
here tonight to ask you to please keep

597
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,800
the Dana Crest Park open for pickle

598
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,040
ball. For the past two summers, I took

599
02:14:25,040 --> 02:14:27,360
Coach Bernie's pickle pickle ball camp.

600
02:14:27,360 --> 02:14:29,040
Ever since then, my friends and I have

601
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,199
been completely hooked. Almost every

602
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:32,960
Saturday morning, my friend and I wake

603
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:34,880
up super early so we can play at Dana

604
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:37,920
Crest Park from 8 to 9:30 a.m. Coach

605
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:39,840
Bernie coaches us for free and always

606
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:41,440
make sure to keep the middle court open

607
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:42,960
just for the kids.

608
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:46,400
>> Hi, my name is Eva Zang and P and um

609
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,320
Dana Crest Park is special to me because

610
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:50,400
it's one of the very few pickleball

611
02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,639
courts where the people are truly

612
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:55,280
welcoming and the adults even let us

613
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,520
play with them sometimes.

614
02:14:57,520 --> 02:14:59,199
Bridget's sister Brooke and her friends

615
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:01,760
come play on Saturdays mornings too. It

616
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,679
has become a big part of our friend our

617
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:05,599
weekends and a great way for us to stay

618
02:15:05,599 --> 02:15:07,920
active and spend time outside together.

619
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,320
Pickball in Dana Point Park in Dana

620
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,320
Crest Park brings kids and families in

621
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:14,400
our community together. Please keep the

622
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:16,239
courts open for us so we can keep

623
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:25,510
playing the sport we love. Thank you,

624
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:33,990
» Mr. Kane.

625
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,679
As you can guess, I uh am the coach at

626
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:40,000
for Dana Point uh pickle ball at the

627
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:42,320
community center and I also donate my

628
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:46,560
time at Dana Crest Park. For all my

629
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:48,560
students, that includes the adult

630
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:50,719
students and the children students that

631
02:15:50,719 --> 02:15:53,599
I do at camp. I've had the pleasure of

632
02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:56,719
having uh Kelly's uh daughter and

633
02:15:56,719 --> 02:15:59,679
coaching her too. But anyways, uh the

634
02:15:59,679 --> 02:16:01,599
bottom line is is for the past four

635
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:03,840
years is like you heard, we've had no

636
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:06,320
problems at that court. We're very

637
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:09,280
respectful. We don't play music. I don't

638
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:12,719
allow alcohol or smoking at the park. I

639
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,639
don't care if they think smoking is

640
02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:16,480
allowed, but I've never had that problem

641
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:19,840
with any of the adults there. And uh we

642
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:21,679
don't play loud music or anything like

643
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,079
that at the park, but I do inside the

644
02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:27,199
community center when we play sometimes.

645
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:29,599
But okay, so that's the four year. It's

646
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:31,520
this court is about community

647
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:33,920
integration. I like the integration. I

648
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,559
had some adults not really like that. I

649
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:38,240
had the students. They said, "Well, you

650
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,479
can find some adult place to play at."

651
02:16:40,479 --> 02:16:44,000
Then I want to keep this is for

652
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:47,439
everybody what I do. And I look at them,

653
02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:49,120
I say, it's only the kids that are going

654
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:52,240
to be the pros. Although I do can say my

655
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,319
partner Jack and myself were the first

656
02:16:54,319 --> 02:16:57,519
gold medalist for 70 above at the PPA

657
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,519
Pro Tournament.

658
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:02,000
Uh,

659
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:04,960
so and I love teaching the game. I love

660
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:07,120
coaching. I love this city. I've been a

661
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:10,559
resident of this city for 40 years. I

662
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:12,639
was born and raised in Long Beach, came

663
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:15,359
over here. I was LA County Fire for 30

664
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:18,719
years. I have a medical degree as an RN

665
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:20,800
that you know what I feel great about

666
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,200
doing that with, you know, medical end

667
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:25,519
up here. I donate my time to the Red

668
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:28,319
Cross and the last thing I donated was

669
02:17:28,319 --> 02:17:32,240
for uh the COVID virus where I took a

670
02:17:32,240 --> 02:17:34,960
little time off for the seniors, mixed

671
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:37,920
all that up. And I really do believe

672
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,160
this court is vital for the for the

673
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,800
youth. And not only do I invite that, we

674
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:45,439
have neighbors that play and I welcome

675
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:48,559
them to come on over and play. And I

676
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,080
have a lot of the neighbors that have

677
02:17:50,080 --> 02:17:51,920
the front row seat. The house is right

678
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:54,880
there that come over and play. And I

679
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,880
have talked to the gentleman that has

680
02:17:56,880 --> 02:17:59,040
concerns and I had a great conversation

681
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,920
with them. And I think this will all

682
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,479
subside once

683
02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:06,559
the courts are finished there and they

684
02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:08,960
move the people back to the courts that

685
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:10,800
they play on. Is that a beep for me to

686
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:15,280
stop? 10 seconds. Okay. And uh so I

687
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,599
think that's probably a wrap for me and

688
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:20,639
I want to thank uh the mayor Gabard. I'd

689
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:22,399
really like to thank Jeff and

690
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:24,800
congratulate Kelly for city manager and

691
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:27,280
the rest of the city council for letting

692
02:18:27,280 --> 02:18:29,679
us talk and have our peace. Thank you so

693
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:30,399
much.

694
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:33,760
>> Thank you, sir.

695
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:41,830
>> Mr. President, Randy,

696
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:43,519
» the real question is, can you beat Wayne

697
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:52,709
Yoast?

698
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:54,559
» After Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members

699
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:57,200
of city council, staff, Mr. City

700
02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:59,840
attorney, good to see you again.

701
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:02,479
>> My name is Randy Brousette. My wife Mav

702
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:04,479
and I moved to Dana Point two years ago

703
02:19:04,479 --> 02:19:06,639
after living in Laguna Hills for 37

704
02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:09,679
years. And during that 37 years, I had

705
02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:11,359
the honor of helping incorporate the

706
02:19:11,359 --> 02:19:13,679
city of Laguna Hills, served on the city

707
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:15,920
council for 23 consecutive years, four

708
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:18,719
of which is as mayor.

709
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:20,960
And this this city council follows such

710
02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:23,599
a long line of distinguished leaders,

711
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:25,920
the city elected. During my time on the

712
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:27,679
city council, I had the great privilege

713
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:29,040
of getting to know people like Mike

714
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:32,080
Edgars and Jim Lacy and Diane Harky,

715
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,080
Harold Kaufman, Lisa Bartlett, Steve

716
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:37,040
Weinberg, and and many, many others. And

717
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:38,960
as a past mayor and city council member,

718
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:40,960
I understand the complexities of the

719
02:19:40,960 --> 02:19:43,280
issue this city council and the staff

720
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:46,080
are presented with tonight.

721
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,080
Parks are intentionally planned and

722
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,399
designed to be in the center of

723
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:54,080
neighborhoods surrounded by homes.

724
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:55,840
Many families choose to live next to

725
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:58,319
parks for their activities,

726
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:00,000
understanding full well that there's

727
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,200
noise associated with parks. Parks are

728
02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:05,600
designed for sports activities including

729
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:08,399
pickle ball as well as family

730
02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:11,040
gatherings, entertainment, pickle ball,

731
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:13,840
I'm sorry, birthday parties, and the

732
02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:18,399
occasional baby beach showing of Jaws.

733
02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:20,800
None of these activities

734
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:23,600
are silent. And the issue of noise

735
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:25,359
complaints

736
02:20:25,359 --> 02:20:27,200
versus park availability for all

737
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:30,720
residents is not new, but it as is as

738
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:32,720
important an issue as you'll hear and

739
02:20:32,720 --> 02:20:36,560
requires your attention and your wisdom.

740
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:39,120
To eliminate any recreation program to

741
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:41,439
satisfy the complaint of a few is not,

742
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:45,200
in my opinion, a good decision. As uh

743
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:46,960
Bernie pointed out, this issue may

744
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:50,880
resolve itself when the new community p

745
02:20:50,880 --> 02:20:53,280
community center pickle ball courts I

746
02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:55,040
tried to say pickle ball three times or

747
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:57,600
I just can't pull it off open and thank

748
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,920
you for funding that.

749
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:02,880
Also, in the last month or so,

750
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:05,280
the uh time allocated for pickle ball on

751
02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,040
the courts at Dana Crest Park has been

752
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:10,319
limited to 8 am to 1 pm.

753
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:12,240
that time restriction is already the

754
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,800
perfect solution for the park and the

755
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:16,880
neighborhood. Thanks for your attention.

756
02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,560
Thanks for funding Pickle Ball and Dana

757
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:20,080
Point.

758
02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:23,200
Good night. Thank you, sir.

759
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:29,920
>> Mr. Gregory.

760
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:31,280
George.

761
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:35,510
>> Yes, sir.

762
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:38,000
» Hello, council. George Gregory Sanmeni.

763
02:21:38,000 --> 02:21:40,479
Congratulations on your reelections.

764
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:42,800
Wow. No challengers.

765
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:45,760
Um,

766
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:47,840
anyways, I'm here to talk about I'm I

767
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:49,920
was I'm from San Clemeni. I was a

768
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:53,280
co-founder of the Boneyard Cafe.

769
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:55,359
To my horror, I watched Richard Hayden

770
02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:58,880
and Jim Miller swindled me out of it.

771
02:21:58,880 --> 02:22:01,760
Then I watched the taco fellow take it

772
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,080
over, which I'm sure turned into a

773
02:22:04,080 --> 02:22:06,720
safety hazard because he had some pretty

774
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:09,359
hardcase kids working for him. He's a

775
02:22:09,359 --> 02:22:13,120
good fellow, Robert. Um, now you have an

776
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:16,240
unaffordable company in there that wants

777
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:21,040
$12.50 for chips and salsa.

778
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:24,960
Um, is that really your plan?

779
02:22:24,960 --> 02:22:27,680
Uh, now the harbor is is also turning

780
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,920
into a big corporate giant super

781
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:33,520
expensive place. Is that your plan? Is

782
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:34,800
it going to be affordable for your

783
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:36,479
citizens? It's certainly not affordable

784
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:41,439
for me. My slip rent's gone up 200%.

785
02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:45,200
Under $700 to $2,000.

786
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:48,399
So, I'm just I just see a lot of crooked

787
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:50,720
things going on in the community here.

788
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,319
and I just kind of wanted to come by and

789
02:22:52,319 --> 02:22:54,399
say I'm on your side and I have some

790
02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:57,200
inside information. Uh it's really

791
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:59,680
disappointing you to see the uh coffee

792
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:02,080
importer's name up on the Orange County

793
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:04,720
Institute's building knowing how

794
02:23:04,720 --> 02:23:07,520
dishonest he is. Um also that Orange

795
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:09,359
County Institute building is supposed to

796
02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:12,080
be for the public, not for another

797
02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:13,680
corporation,

798
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:17,920
not for somebody like them. Um,

799
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:19,680
so I don't know what I'm really doing

800
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:22,479
here, but the the thing is I do need

801
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:24,000
some help because I tried to get a hold

802
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:28,160
of Bont, the state attorney general, and

803
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:29,600
his staff called me back and told me,

804
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,160
"We represent the Ranger, not you, Mr.

805
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:33,920
Gregory.

806
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:38,479
Red flag." So after my surgery

807
02:23:38,479 --> 02:23:40,240
and I had tubes hanging out of my belly

808
02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:43,680
and all kinds of awful things, um I

809
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:45,840
applied for the RP to try to get my

810
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:47,840
restaurant back, my concession back. I

811
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:49,520
wanted to bring back Paddles of the

812
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:53,600
Battle of the Paddles. Um and I got a

813
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:55,439
personal call from the Small Business

814
02:23:55,439 --> 02:24:00,240
Association telling me I did not qualify

815
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:03,040
as a small business. And it's just me,

816
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,920
okay? um which is unusual because they

817
02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:08,720
don't make phone calls. So somehow this

818
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:11,280
guest services who has the place now got

819
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:14,800
to the Small Business Association.

820
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:16,640
So I don't know how to go about this or

821
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:18,720
get a grand jury or an FBI or something

822
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:21,200
involved, but I think we're going

823
02:24:21,200 --> 02:24:23,439
sideways. And that's all I got to say

824
02:24:23,439 --> 02:24:25,680
for you folks.

825
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:29,429
Thank you for your time.

826
02:24:29,439 --> 02:24:38,870
» Mr. Small Anthony.

827
02:24:38,880 --> 02:24:42,880
» Uh good evening uh Mr. Mayor and uh and

828
02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:46,399
council members, staff, and fellow

829
02:24:46,399 --> 02:24:50,399
citizens of Dana Point. this uh

830
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:52,080
just a couple weeks ago, my wife Bonnie

831
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:54,720
and I celebrated 29 years in the same

832
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:56,960
house here in in in Dana Point, and

833
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:59,120
we're very proud members of of this

834
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:02,080
community. Um, also, thank you to the

835
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,560
city for your recent sponsorship of the

836
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,720
Arts and Culture Ambassadors at the

837
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:09,920
Orange County Arts Awards. And although

838
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:12,080
it just it falls just outside of arts

839
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:14,640
and humanities month on Sunday, November

840
02:25:14,640 --> 02:25:17,040
1st at La Plaza Park, I'm so grateful

841
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:19,680
for and so looking forward to uh Dia de

842
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:22,880
los Muertos, a celebration.

843
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:26,469
Yeah.

844
02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:28,560
A celebration that has rapidly become

845
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:31,200
one of our community's favorite events.

846
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:33,760
Thank you for investing in multicultural

847
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:35,920
programs. It makes a world of difference

848
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:38,960
and it shows the world who we are.

849
02:25:38,960 --> 02:25:41,680
I'm delighted that Mariachi Kana de

850
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:45,040
Riverside, newly crowned youth mariachi

851
02:25:45,040 --> 02:25:47,439
national champions, will be one of the

852
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:50,479
many truly worldclass mariachi bands

853
02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:53,840
playing among the beautiful ofrenas uh

854
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:56,160
celebrating our departed ancestors.

855
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:58,560
Mariachi Kanya de Riverside will also be

856
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,840
a part of my program Mariachi Matters uh

857
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:04,000
a part of Coast Film and Music Festival

858
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:07,280
on Sunday, October 18th. Um at the new

859
02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:09,600
surfing heritage and culture center um

860
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:11,760
that will offer also offer a first

861
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:14,160
glimpse of the documentary short, Elos

862
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:16,319
de Mariachi. A lot of mariachi going on

863
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:19,439
here tonight, huh? U and it's about

864
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,760
Master Taylor George from Kasa de

865
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,640
Mariachi. Uh for which I'm executive

866
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:28,399
producer. I'm also uh participating or

867
02:26:28,399 --> 02:26:30,000
rather also participating in the

868
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,720
rotating panels of mariachi matters is

869
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,120
Dana Point council member Michael Velar

870
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:36,960
who will join Riverside County

871
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:39,760
Supervisor Jose Medina and others to

872
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:41,520
talk about the importance of you guessed

873
02:26:41,520 --> 02:26:43,840
it multicultural programs in our

874
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:45,439
communities.

875
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:48,080
Following Mariachi Matters, um our

876
02:26:48,080 --> 02:26:50,479
documentary Los Loos Native Sons will

877
02:26:50,479 --> 02:26:52,960
finally have a local screening um at the

878
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:55,200
Rivian Theater as part of Coast Music

879
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:59,200
and Film Festival, followed by uh Q&A

880
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,479
with Los Loos themselves. So that's

881
02:27:02,479 --> 02:27:06,160
yeah, very cool. So uh thanks a lot for

882
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:08,720
the platform to uh you know to express

883
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:11,040
ourselves and most importantly, thank

884
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,040
you very much to the city for always

885
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,280
supporting the arts.

886
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:20,309
Thank you very much.

887
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:24,000
» Thank you, Mr. Small. Arts matter.

888
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:32,630
>> Mr. Guess.

889
02:27:32,640 --> 02:27:35,359
» Good evening. My name is Alex Guess. I'm

890
02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:37,520
12 years old and I'm from Lagoon Niguel.

891
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,280
Two of my friends have gotten seriously

892
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,680
hurt on ebikes. A kid in Lake Forest

893
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:44,560
died and that's why I'm here. Ebike

894
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:45,840
injuries in Orange County have jumped

895
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:49,920
from seven cases in 2018 to 116 in 2024.

896
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:52,479
That's a 1,557%

897
02:27:52,479 --> 02:27:54,399
increase. Kids are getting hurt right

898
02:27:54,399 --> 02:27:57,120
now. I started a p petition asking for

899
02:27:57,120 --> 02:27:59,760
basic safety rules, age 16 minimum,

900
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:02,640
speedometers, ebike licensing, parental

901
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:04,640
accountability, and a youth ebike safety

902
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:07,120
fund. We have,475

903
02:28:07,120 --> 02:28:10,160
signatures. 98% are from here, right

904
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:13,280
here in Orange County. Mission VJO,

905
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:15,680
Laguna, Niguel, St. Clemeni, and Aliso

906
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:17,439
Vill City Council members all have at

907
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:19,760
least endorsed this. I'm asking Dana

908
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:21,600
Point to endorse this petition. You

909
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:23,920
don't have to solve everything. Just so

910
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:26,160
just show OC supervisors that residents

911
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:28,000
actually care about this issue. But

912
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:30,560
here's the thing. OC supervisors won't

913
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:33,200
move unless city councils lead first.

914
02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:35,920
Data point can be next. But you can vote

915
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:37,920
to support ebike safety. You can tell

916
02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:40,240
kids like my friends that their safety

917
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:42,160
matters. I shouldn't have to start a

918
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:44,240
petition to keep my friends safe, but I

919
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:46,720
did and I'm not stopping. I ask, will

920
02:28:46,720 --> 02:28:48,640
the Dana Point City Council join us in

921
02:28:48,640 --> 02:29:03,830
keeping kids safe? Thank you.

922
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:06,240
» Well done, young man.

923
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:13,190
Well done.

924
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:15,840
Moving on to our public hearings. Uh the

925
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:17,280
first reading of the DP point M

926
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:19,439
municipal code update amending sections

927
02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:22,160
related to the appeals procedures.

928
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:24,399
Is there a staff report?

929
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:25,680
Madam clerk,

930
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:29,120
>> thank you sir. At the September 15th,

931
02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:31,600
2026 city council meeting, staff

932
02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:33,280
proposed

933
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:36,479
uh edits to the appeal procedures

934
02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:38,960
throughout the municipal code. These

935
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:41,359
will increase clarity and inefficiency

936
02:29:41,359 --> 02:29:43,920
through a streamline procedures. City

937
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:46,080
council did not suggest any changes at

938
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,960
that time. Tonight is the formal first

939
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:52,640
reading and public hearing.

940
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:55,040
Thank you.

941
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,600
>> Thank you. We will now open the public

942
02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:00,000
hearing. And do we have any public

943
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:00,479
comments?

944
02:30:00,479 --> 02:30:01,359
>> No, sir.

945
02:30:01,359 --> 02:30:03,600
>> Wow, that was easy. All right, we will

946
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:05,920
close the public hearing and move on to

947
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:08,240
council discussion. Colleagues,

948
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:11,760
questions, comments?

949
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:13,840
>> Nothing.

950
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:16,080
>> Do I have a motion?

951
02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:17,520
>> I will move the staff recommended

952
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:17,920
action.

953
02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:18,720
>> I'll second it.

954
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,319
>> All right. All those in favor?

955
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:22,720
>> I I

956
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:25,120
>> We'll move on to unfinished business.

957
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:27,920
The item eight, the lantern bay park

958
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:29,920
improvements and rideofway construction

959
02:30:29,920 --> 02:30:31,680
and development agreement with ocean

960
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:36,000
cliffs of at Dana Point a JW Marriott.

961
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:40,319
Is there a staff report? Mr. Rossler.

962
02:30:40,319 --> 02:30:41,840
Good evening, mayor. Is a member of the

963
02:30:41,840 --> 02:30:44,479
council. Item eight is the lantern bay

964
02:30:44,479 --> 02:30:46,720
park improvements and the rightway right

965
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:48,800
of entry development and construction

966
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:51,600
agreement with Ocean Cliffs at Dana

967
02:30:51,600 --> 02:30:54,000
Point.

968
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:55,760
This bluff top was graded when the

969
02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:57,680
harbor was built and was originally

970
02:30:57,680 --> 02:31:00,560
planned for about 390 homes. Through

971
02:31:00,560 --> 02:31:02,880
negotiations, the Smite brothers

972
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:04,880
developed the park and donated it along

973
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,880
with the amphitheater that bears their

974
02:31:06,880 --> 02:31:09,439
name. The city took the park over in

975
02:31:09,439 --> 02:31:12,160
2006. As we shared with council last

976
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:14,000
November, the park has never had a full

977
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:17,760
refresh. The amphitheater is rarely used

978
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:21,280
and the trees have outgrown the space.

979
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:23,200
This is the Smite Brothers Amphitheater

980
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:25,120
today. It was once a centerpiece of the

981
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,600
park, but it is in disrepair and isn't

982
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:29,760
really accessible. Most people we

983
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:31,439
surveyed told us they never really use

984
02:31:31,439 --> 02:31:33,920
this area. Historically, it was used for

985
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:36,319
park weddings, and those numbers have

986
02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:38,240
dwindled as the area in Rose Garden do

987
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:39,520
not look as good as the rest of the

988
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:47,670
city's parks.

989
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:49,439
The toy pines along the amphitheater

990
02:31:49,439 --> 02:31:51,359
walk are under stress. Our arborist

991
02:31:51,359 --> 02:31:53,040
found bark beetles, dead limbs, and

992
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:55,200
signs of disease. At least two need to

993
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:57,680
come out now. The stone pines are

994
02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:59,920
healthy, but they are planted. They were

995
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:01,840
planted about 4 feet tall and have

996
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:04,000
outgrown the space. They now block the

997
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:06,399
harbor views this park is known for.

998
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:08,319
This is a beautiful site and it deserves

999
02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:10,399
better. That's what this project is all

1000
02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:12,000
about.

1001
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,560
To hear from park users, we posted signs

1002
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:17,439
at six spots in the park. We got about

1003
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:20,240
75 responses. For comparison, a similar

1004
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:23,439
survey at Sea Terrace got more than 250

1005
02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:26,240
responses in the same time period, which

1006
02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:29,040
support what we've seen, how little use

1007
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:32,080
this park gets. The people who responded

1008
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:34,080
love this park and use it often. They

1009
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:36,080
told us they want simple amenities like

1010
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:38,560
water station, shade, and benches. They

1011
02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:40,160
also asked for pollinator and native

1012
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:42,080
plants, which is what the botanical

1013
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:44,479
garden provides. We also heard a strong

1014
02:32:44,479 --> 02:32:45,920
message about trees, and I'll address

1015
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:48,880
that in a moment.

1016
02:32:48,880 --> 02:32:52,319
The centerpiece is Dana Point's first

1017
02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:54,399
botanical garden. The plants were chosen

1018
02:32:54,399 --> 02:32:56,000
to attract monarch butterflies, bees,

1019
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,240
and hummingbirds. And in the future, we

1020
02:32:58,240 --> 02:33:00,000
see school groups using the garden to

1021
02:33:00,000 --> 02:33:02,240
learn about native plants. The

1022
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:03,760
amphitheater will become a level,

1023
02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:05,600
accessible space with a rosecovered

1024
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:08,000
arbor leading to it. That makes it an

1025
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:09,680
attractive spot for weddings and small

1026
02:33:09,680 --> 02:33:12,160
gatherings. Again, we also heard you on

1027
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:13,840
water stations and the city will add

1028
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:16,080
those. And the things people love most

1029
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:18,000
will stay just as they are, including

1030
02:33:18,000 --> 02:33:20,399
the yoga lawn, the play area, the botchi

1031
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:29,990
courts, and the open lawn spaces.

1032
02:33:30,000 --> 02:33:33,040
» I'm sorry. Let him finish, folks. We'll

1033
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:34,399
have a chance for public comment here in

1034
02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:36,479
a minute.

1035
02:33:36,479 --> 02:33:38,399
This is the park as it looks today.

1036
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:40,560
Golden Lantern runs along the left, Dana

1037
02:33:40,560 --> 02:33:42,720
Point Harbor Drive along the bottom, and

1038
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:44,880
Ocean Cliffs is at the top. The

1039
02:33:44,880 --> 02:33:46,880
amphitheater is on the right. The Botchi

1040
02:33:46,880 --> 02:33:48,800
Court is the rectangle near the center

1041
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:50,640
left. The labeled areas are the two

1042
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:53,120
stands of trees proposed for removal.

1043
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:54,560
The stone pine grove in the middle of

1044
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:56,399
the park and the row of Tory pines along

1045
02:33:56,399 --> 02:33:58,560
the walkway leading to amphitheater.

1046
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:00,240
Most of what you see here, including the

1047
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,000
open lawns, the walkways, and the views,

1048
02:34:02,000 --> 02:34:06,399
stays the same. Here's

1049
02:34:06,399 --> 02:34:08,080
the same view with the proposed

1050
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:09,840
improvements. Starting at the bottom

1051
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:12,000
left, the new mosaic stairwalk runs

1052
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:14,319
diagonally from the Harbor Drive stairs

1053
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:16,560
up to the botanical garden near the top

1054
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:18,800
center. From the garden, the Arbor Walk

1055
02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:20,399
runs along the right side down to the

1056
02:34:20,399 --> 02:34:22,160
amphitheater, which is regarded or

1057
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:24,560
regraded, excuse me, so it's level and

1058
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:26,720
accessible. Across the top, a new trail

1059
02:34:26,720 --> 02:34:29,200
connects to Golden Lantern, and a

1060
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,880
walkway links to the resort's event

1061
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:33,600
lawn. The large open lawn to the middle

1062
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:36,880
labeled existing turf to remain stays

1063
02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:39,840
exactly as it is.

1064
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:41,439
These renderings give a sense of how the

1065
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:43,359
park will feel. The garden is designed

1066
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:45,040
as a series of outdoor rooms with

1067
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,120
meandering paths, places to sit and

1068
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:48,399
plants that will change with the

1069
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:50,800
seasons. The pollinator plantings will

1070
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:52,000
bring in butterflies, bees, and

1071
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:53,680
hummingbirds. And signs will name each

1072
02:34:53,680 --> 02:34:55,200
plant so the garden doubles as an

1073
02:34:55,200 --> 02:34:57,760
outdoor classroom. The harbor views stay

1074
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,479
front and center. The design opens them

1075
02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:05,750
up rather than closing them in.

1076
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:07,520
I want to speak directly to the trees

1077
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:08,880
because we know how much people care

1078
02:35:08,880 --> 02:35:11,439
about them. First, some context. These

1079
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:13,359
aren't historic trees and they aren't

1080
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:16,240
native to this area or this bluff. The

1081
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:18,080
army corpse of engineers great as this

1082
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:20,160
site when the harbor was built and these

1083
02:35:20,160 --> 02:35:21,680
trees were planted when the park opened

1084
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:24,560
in 1983. The stone pines come from the

1085
02:35:24,560 --> 02:35:26,479
Mediterranean. The surrounding bluff is

1086
02:35:26,479 --> 02:35:29,040
naturally coastal sage scrub. The Tory

1087
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:30,800
pines along the amphitheater walk are in

1088
02:35:30,800 --> 02:35:32,800
trouble. Our ars found bark beetles and

1089
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:35,680
signs of disease and two, as I stated,

1090
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,520
need to come out now. Regardless of this

1091
02:35:37,520 --> 02:35:39,840
project, the stone pines are healthy,

1092
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:41,439
and I want to be clear about that. We're

1093
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:43,120
proposing to remove them because they've

1094
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:45,359
outgrown the space and blocked the views

1095
02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:46,960
this park is known for. It's a

1096
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:49,200
trade-off, and we don't take it lightly.

1097
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:51,040
That's why every tree removed will be

1098
02:35:51,040 --> 02:35:52,800
placed two for one with species better

1099
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:56,710
suited to this setting.

1100
02:35:56,720 --> 02:35:58,399
I want to recognize Ocean Cliffs and the

1101
02:35:58,399 --> 02:35:59,840
Marriott team. They've been a great

1102
02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:02,000
partner throughout this process. As part

1103
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:05,120
of their renovation,

1104
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:08,240
>> please please

1105
02:36:08,240 --> 02:36:09,840
>> as part of their renovation, they're

1106
02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:11,600
investing in this park at no cost to the

1107
02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:13,520
city and the city will maintain it

1108
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:16,080
within our existing budget. I also want

1109
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:17,760
to thank them for something that means a

1110
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:19,359
lot to our community. When they

1111
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:21,200
rebranded, they chose the name Ocean

1112
02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:23,040
Cliffs at Dana Point. Having Dean

1113
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:24,479
appointed the name of a resort like

1114
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,840
this, one that puts our name on the map

1115
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:30,399
for every guest who stays there. Staff

1116
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:31,840
recommends that council approves the

1117
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:33,760
conceptual design and the agreement with

1118
02:36:33,760 --> 02:36:36,479
Regency Lagona. I'm happy to answer any

1119
02:36:36,479 --> 02:36:40,000
questions you might have.

1120
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:44,070
>> Thank you very much,

1121
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:45,280
city clerk. Are there any public

1122
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:50,870
comments?

1123
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:53,520
We have two on Zoom. Okay.

1124
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:56,160
>> The next one didn't fill out a slip, but

1125
02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:57,680
I'll just call on that person.

1126
02:36:57,680 --> 02:36:59,200
>> So, this this is last.

1127
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:01,600
>> So, that I'll call on the person on Zoom

1128
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:04,880
and then this person will be next person

1129
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:05,920
>> on Zoom or on

1130
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:06,399
>> on Zoom.

1131
02:37:06,399 --> 02:37:08,000
>> On Okay. So, I can start with these

1132
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:09,040
first or do you want me to start with

1133
02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:09,439
Zoom?

1134
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:10,560
>> You want to start with them first?

1135
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:17,750
>> Yeah, let's start with them first.

1136
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:27,190
Uh, Annie Garton.

1137
02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:29,680
» This is my first time

1138
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:32,960
>> and I just got back from vacation and I

1139
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:34,640
heard a little bit about what was going

1140
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:37,359
on here mainly with the trees as you

1141
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:37,600
say.

1142
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:39,760
>> Mton, can can you give us your city of

1143
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:40,479
residence, please?

1144
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:42,080
>> I I live here in Dana Point.

1145
02:37:42,080 --> 02:37:44,880
>> Thank you. I moved here about 40 plus

1146
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:47,840
years ago. I used to live in LA. I've

1147
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:50,000
lived in Northern California. And when

1148
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,399
my husband and I got married and decided

1149
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,080
to look for a house when we moved down

1150
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,479
from Northern California, we began to

1151
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:58,399
drive the coast because LA at that time

1152
02:37:58,399 --> 02:38:00,880
was pretty overdeveloped, noisy,

1153
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:04,080
crowded. I grew up there and I love LA,

1154
02:38:04,080 --> 02:38:06,160
but we were looking for somewhere to

1155
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:08,800
raise our kids. And this little pocket,

1156
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:12,319
this community between Newport, Lagona,

1157
02:38:12,319 --> 02:38:16,880
and San Clemeni certainly had a lot of

1158
02:38:16,880 --> 02:38:20,240
charm to it. And charm in the sense of

1159
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:23,040
being a little, as my son would say,

1160
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:26,800
podunky beach community. And I do feel,

1161
02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:30,319
as other people have spoken to, that the

1162
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:33,840
development of the harbor is needed, I'm

1163
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,960
certain. But to a certain degree, are we

1164
02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:38,800
trying to turn Dana Pointed to a Newport

1165
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:40,720
Beach? What are what are we trying to do

1166
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:44,560
here? That gentleman's question was um

1167
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:47,439
well pointed in that direction. I don't

1168
02:38:47,439 --> 02:38:49,200
know how we got here. I don't know how

1169
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:52,720
we got to this meeting because I need to

1170
02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:54,960
educate myself as to how the city

1171
02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:57,600
council works and how we get to this

1172
02:38:57,600 --> 02:38:58,960
point where people are a little bit up

1173
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:01,120
in arms about the trees because I don't

1174
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:03,280
know to what the degree the community

1175
02:39:03,280 --> 02:39:06,800
was involved in the planning of this

1176
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:09,439
park of taking out these trees. I know

1177
02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:12,319
because I have a degree in architecture

1178
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:15,200
and my husband has had a landscape

1179
02:39:15,200 --> 02:39:17,359
design and construction firm that served

1180
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,680
the Tri Cities for many many years and

1181
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:21,840
he retired recently. So I know that

1182
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:23,600
there are many different ways to attack

1183
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:25,600
a problem. I know that one of the first

1184
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:27,840
ways is did we not maintain those trees

1185
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:29,439
properly? You know, were they looked

1186
02:39:29,439 --> 02:39:31,920
after? I have been to weddings in the

1187
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:34,720
amphitheater. I understand the need

1188
02:39:34,720 --> 02:39:38,000
sometimes to update things but to whose

1189
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:41,120
advantage and to whose disadvantage

1190
02:39:41,120 --> 02:39:45,200
because we live in a time where we know

1191
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,680
I don't know whether to believe some of

1192
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:49,680
the comments I just heard in regards to

1193
02:39:49,680 --> 02:39:52,399
this is the betterment for all of us or

1194
02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:55,280
does this have some underlying factors

1195
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:57,600
of our beautiful resort up there the

1196
02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:01,280
Marriott and their desire to have

1197
02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:02,880
greater views

1198
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:06,479
of the ocean and the marina for their

1199
02:40:06,479 --> 02:40:08,399
own betterment. To be perfectly honest,

1200
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:11,600
that you know they can they can use that

1201
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:15,600
to advertise to gain you know um better

1202
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:19,200
amenities perhaps better for for the

1203
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:21,280
people who come to visit. But those of

1204
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:23,920
us who live here and I personally use

1205
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:25,680
that park. I walk through that park two

1206
02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:27,920
to three times a week because I walk all

1207
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:30,319
the hills here and all the trails here

1208
02:40:30,319 --> 02:40:33,120
and they provide shade and they provide

1209
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:36,640
probably environments for animals. And I

1210
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:38,160
need you guys to really seriously

1211
02:40:38,160 --> 02:40:41,040
consider each one of you when you make a

1212
02:40:41,040 --> 02:40:42,800
vote. What is the most important thing

1213
02:40:42,800 --> 02:40:46,399
to you? The Marriott and their view or

1214
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:48,880
how this park gets used and for whom and

1215
02:40:48,880 --> 02:40:50,560
for the betterment of a community that

1216
02:40:50,560 --> 02:40:52,240
tells the rest of the communities around

1217
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:53,680
here what we're made of. Thank you,

1218
02:40:53,680 --> 02:41:00,309
MA'AM.

1219
02:41:00,319 --> 02:41:06,230
» Alexander Katona.

1220
02:41:06,240 --> 02:41:07,840
» Hello.

1221
02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:09,120
>> Hi.

1222
02:41:09,120 --> 02:41:10,399
>> Thank you so much for your time. Oh,

1223
02:41:10,399 --> 02:41:10,800
sorry.

1224
02:41:10,800 --> 02:41:11,600
>> Where you from?

1225
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:13,840
>> Hi. My name is Alex. I'm uh live here

1226
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:15,359
right in Dana Point. Okay.

1227
02:41:15,359 --> 02:41:17,359
>> Um I just want to thank you so much for

1228
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:19,920
your time tonight. Uh just to clarify a

1229
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:22,080
few things. Um according to the survey

1230
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:25,359
only two of those dozens of trees had uh

1231
02:41:25,359 --> 02:41:28,160
according to the arborist um infestation

1232
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:31,840
or disease. So just two and um as you

1233
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:34,160
mentioned the stone pines are completely

1234
02:41:34,160 --> 02:41:38,640
healthy. Um but uh outgrowing the space

1235
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:41,120
which is hard to imagine when there is a

1236
02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:42,880
lots of space and the irony of talking

1237
02:41:42,880 --> 02:41:45,600
about taking out giant beautiful trees

1238
02:41:45,600 --> 02:41:47,600
uh on a day that is once again almost in

1239
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:50,080
the hundreds here in Dana Point when we

1240
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:52,240
are all looking for shade every single

1241
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:54,880
second of the last four days. Um so

1242
02:41:54,880 --> 02:41:56,800
let's just start there. Um I'm sorry. I

1243
02:41:56,800 --> 02:41:59,280
studied uh environmental science and I'm

1244
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:01,040
just going to talk really really quickly

1245
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:03,439
about all the benefits of mature trees.

1246
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:07,040
So sorry I'll do this very quickly. Um

1247
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:09,359
trees provide mature trees provide so

1248
02:42:09,359 --> 02:42:11,840
much um and it we can start with air

1249
02:42:11,840 --> 02:42:14,399
quality. Mature trees and extensive camp

1250
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:16,880
canopies filter out uh particulate

1251
02:42:16,880 --> 02:42:18,960
matter, ozone, oxides, all these things

1252
02:42:18,960 --> 02:42:21,920
are really bad um for our health and um

1253
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,920
our mental health. exposure to green

1254
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:26,319
spaces and large trees has actually been

1255
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:28,960
proven by many studies to lower anxiety,

1256
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:30,399
depression, and stress levels. So,

1257
02:42:30,399 --> 02:42:33,359
that's pretty cool. Um,

1258
02:42:33,359 --> 02:42:35,200
mature trees provide water shade

1259
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,520
protection. Uh, large root systems and

1260
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:40,160
deep canopies help rain rainfall and

1261
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:42,560
storm water runoff, erosion, which we

1262
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:44,000
all know have been huge problems with

1263
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:46,080
our cities recently. Uh they also

1264
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:48,000
provide sustainable cities and

1265
02:42:48,000 --> 02:42:50,000
communities by helping uh climate

1266
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:52,640
resilience. Uh root anchor stabilize

1267
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:55,439
soil, prevent urban slope um flooding.

1268
02:42:55,439 --> 02:42:58,080
Uh climate action. So highcapacity

1269
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,800
carbon sequestration. So large mature

1270
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:02,720
trees are what we call carbon sinks,

1271
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,399
meaning they take carbon out of our

1272
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,240
atmosphere, put them into the trees and

1273
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:08,160
they give us oxygen. And we have way too

1274
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:10,319
much carbon dioxide right now. So large

1275
02:43:10,319 --> 02:43:12,479
mature trees, uh, actually the city of

1276
02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:14,479
Toronto study showed that mature trees

1277
02:43:14,479 --> 02:43:16,880
intercept 10 times as much air pollution

1278
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:19,760
and 90 times more carbon than than

1279
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:21,439
saplings in these little trees that the

1280
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:22,960
city has said, "Well, hey, we're going

1281
02:43:22,960 --> 02:43:25,280
to do two saplings for every giant tree

1282
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:27,680
we take out." Well, the math ain't math.

1283
02:43:27,680 --> 02:43:29,359
It doesn't really work like that in

1284
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:32,000
terms of carbon being a carbon sync. So,

1285
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:34,640
mature trees are amazing for that. Um,

1286
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:35,840
obviously, we know about all the

1287
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:37,920
habitats. I won't go into that. Let's

1288
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:39,520
just talk about Tory pines really fast.

1289
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:41,520
They're critically endangered and they

1290
02:43:41,520 --> 02:43:42,960
are some of the rarest native pine

1291
02:43:42,960 --> 02:43:45,520
species in the world. Uh the Tory Pines

1292
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:47,120
Conservancy is doing amazing things in

1293
02:43:47,120 --> 02:43:50,720
San Diego to protect these trees. Um and

1294
02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:52,399
I

1295
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:55,040
love trees. I live near Pines Park and I

1296
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:57,279
go to Pines Park daily. Everyone flocks

1297
02:43:57,279 --> 02:43:59,200
to Pines Park to watch sunsets. People

1298
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:01,600
flock to Lantern Bay to watch a sunset.

1299
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:04,399
People are framing photos with trees in

1300
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:07,040
them with the obstructed views because

1301
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:10,080
it's beautiful. Trees are beautiful and

1302
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:11,520
they help us in many ways. Thank you for

1303
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:13,279
your time. Thank you.

1304
02:44:13,279 --> 02:44:17,269
>> Thank you,

1305
02:44:17,279 --> 02:44:20,160
Miss Gwendelyn Oxenham. If there's an

1306
02:44:20,160 --> 02:44:26,630
English name I've ever heard in my life,

1307
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:28,560
» and please state your city residence,

1308
02:44:28,560 --> 02:44:29,279
please.

1309
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:31,840
>> Um, I live in Dana Point. Um, I'm going

1310
02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,000
to give you guys some photos. Um, I

1311
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:36,479
walked Lantern Bay Park this morning.

1312
02:44:36,479 --> 02:44:39,760
Um, I couldn't believe that these trees,

1313
02:44:39,760 --> 02:44:42,640
these gorgeous trees, 70 of them when I

1314
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:45,120
counted and walked. I studied the plan

1315
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:48,720
and I looked at at Thank you. Thank you.

1316
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:53,120
Um I I there's there's over 70 trees

1317
02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:55,040
that are going to be removed by the

1318
02:44:55,040 --> 02:44:57,200
plant and they're mature full growth

1319
02:44:57,200 --> 02:44:59,920
trees and I sat in the shade of this uh

1320
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:02,399
the stone pines which we've said are

1321
02:45:02,399 --> 02:45:04,560
overgrowing this space. It was like a

1322
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:06,319
beautiful nook. It was in no way

1323
02:45:06,319 --> 02:45:07,680
overgrown. I think you can see from the

1324
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:10,000
photos like it doesn't overgrow the

1325
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:12,640
space. It's gorgeous and shady and cool

1326
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:14,640
and there were people walking their dogs

1327
02:45:14,640 --> 02:45:16,720
and sitting in at the picnic tables

1328
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:20,399
under those stone pines. Um, I'm all for

1329
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:22,080
refreshing the park and I think it's

1330
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:23,680
awesome that we would refresh the

1331
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:26,080
amphitheater and add water fountains and

1332
02:45:26,080 --> 02:45:28,640
add roses. And in no way does that mean

1333
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:31,279
we have to take out the historic nearly

1334
02:45:31,279 --> 02:45:33,920
half ccentury old trees that that were

1335
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:37,200
planted for us so that we could enjoy

1336
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:40,960
their shade. Um, the poll that you guys

1337
02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:43,760
did, um, I noticed you said that, uh,

1338
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:46,319
only 75 replied and that must mean

1339
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:49,040
Lantern Bay Park is underutilized.

1340
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:50,160
Clearly, you guys haven't thrown a

1341
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:51,680
birthday party there recently. Like,

1342
02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:56,000
it's impossible to to reserve it. It's the it's the heart of Dana Point. I

1343
02:45:56,000 --> 02:45:58,560
mean, I've hung piñatas from those

1344
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:00,960
trees. I sat with my grandmother and

1345
02:46:00,960 --> 02:46:03,520
watched the tall ships come in. Uh it

1346
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:06,319
it's it people picnic, they fly kites

1347
02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:08,720
and the they do it because of the shade

1348
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:13,040
that the it we are in historically hot

1349
02:46:13,040 --> 02:46:16,399
times and the shade is the relief. It's

1350
02:46:16,399 --> 02:46:20,640
where you go to enjoy the beauty. Um so

1351
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:23,040
the fact that there were only 75 people

1352
02:46:23,040 --> 02:46:25,760
was not because the park isn't used.

1353
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:28,080
It's because we must not have found out

1354
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:31,680
about the poll. Of the 75 people that

1355
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:34,080
were pulled, the vast majority wrote,

1356
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:37,200
"Keep trees the same." The second vast

1357
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:41,279
majority was add more trees. So, I mean,

1358
02:46:41,279 --> 02:46:43,040
we get it. The planet's heating up. We

1359
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:45,600
need shade. And yet, the plan proposed

1360
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:47,200
by the city, I mean, we just looked at

1361
02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:49,359
it. The we're taking out the trees.

1362
02:46:49,359 --> 02:46:51,200
We're doing the opposite of what Dana

1363
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:54,319
Point and the locals requested. this

1364
02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:58,960
plan funded by the hotel. Uh it it

1365
02:46:58,960 --> 02:47:00,479
doesn't seem like we're taking the

1366
02:47:00,479 --> 02:47:05,600
residents opinions into account. Um

1367
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:08,640
also I I could I couldn't believe that

1368
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:11,200
70 full-grown trees were going to be

1369
02:47:11,200 --> 02:47:13,200
removed and none of us even knew about

1370
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:16,960
it. So I posted on Next Door and within

1371
02:47:16,960 --> 02:47:18,800
12 hours there were over a hundred

1372
02:47:18,800 --> 02:47:21,760
comments. There was tons of engagement.

1373
02:47:21,760 --> 02:47:24,000
By the time I woke up this morning, my

1374
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:26,080
post had been removed and my account

1375
02:47:26,080 --> 02:47:29,279
suspended. Um, even though I never said

1376
02:47:29,279 --> 02:47:31,680
a negative word about anyone and I

1377
02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:35,040
didn't uh and I I said nothing untrue,

1378
02:47:35,040 --> 02:47:37,279
the only thing shady about Lantern Bay

1379
02:47:37,279 --> 02:47:41,680
Park should be the trees. Um,

1380
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:44,399
I'm

1381
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:48,160
as also planting saplings does nothing

1382
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:50,800
to replace ancient trees with the the

1383
02:47:50,800 --> 02:47:53,279
carbon. it it does nothing. Um, I'm just

1384
02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:55,439
going to read one quote from Richard

1385
02:47:55,439 --> 02:47:57,359
Powers in his Pulzer Prizewinning book

1386
02:47:57,359 --> 02:48:00,880
about uh trees. A tree is a wondrous

1387
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:03,040
thing that shelters, feeds, and protects

1388
02:48:03,040 --> 02:48:06,000
all living things. It even offers shade

1389
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:09,600
to the axemen who destroy it. You can't

1390
02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:12,240
come back to something that is gone.

1391
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:14,160
There are kids in this room. They need

1392
02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:16,240
these trees. They could They lived Tory

1393
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:20,880
Pines lived 150 years old. Like, let's save the trees. They'll still rent

1394
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:26,550
hotel rooms. They'll still come.

1395
02:48:26,560 --> 02:48:30,070
» Miss Cheetum,

1396
02:48:30,080 --> 02:48:34,630
» Jan Cheetum,

1397
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:36,240
» that was wonderful.

1398
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:38,000
>> My name is Jan Cheetum. I was born and

1399
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:40,000
raised in San Clementi. My father, Noah

1400
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:42,720
Cheetum, built about 30% of S. Clemeni

1401
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:43,600
back in the

1402
02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:44,640
>> You live where now, ma'am?

1403
02:48:44,640 --> 02:48:46,960
>> S Clemente. My father was a builder.

1404
02:48:46,960 --> 02:48:50,000
rebuilds about 30% of it back in the 70s

1405
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:53,600
and 80s. I have been I'm a resident and

1406
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:56,160
I had a business here in Dana Point

1407
02:48:56,160 --> 02:48:59,439
years ago, a hair salon. And so I love

1408
02:48:59,439 --> 02:49:02,240
Dana Point. I go to this park all the

1409
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:05,760
time. Now I know that

1410
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:09,200
I must be honest. We know how most

1411
02:49:09,200 --> 02:49:13,040
things go with this world and it has to

1412
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:16,960
do with money. It has to do with

1413
02:49:16,960 --> 02:49:20,080
position. It has to do with saving your

1414
02:49:20,080 --> 02:49:23,439
job and doing a good job. And I really

1415
02:49:23,439 --> 02:49:26,479
want to listen have each one of you

1416
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:28,960
listen to your heart

1417
02:49:28,960 --> 02:49:32,319
because it's not always about money.

1418
02:49:32,319 --> 02:49:35,600
It's not always about I bet if you were

1419
02:49:35,600 --> 02:49:38,000
to really publicize that they wanted to

1420
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:40,560
take this away all these trees for the

1421
02:49:40,560 --> 02:49:42,640
squirrels and the animals. I go there

1422
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:46,399
about five times a week. I walk my dog.

1423
02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:51,200
If you had a a put it out there to Dana

1424
02:49:51,200 --> 02:49:55,200
Point, my area too, and ask for

1425
02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:57,359
donations to pay

1426
02:49:57,359 --> 02:50:00,319
>> to save the trees.

1427
02:50:00,319 --> 02:50:02,720
>> I really honestly think people I will

1428
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:04,720
donate. I can donate. I'll be the first

1429
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:07,040
one to donate. I can I have I do have

1430
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:09,200
money. Maybe I don't look like I do, but

1431
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:11,040
I do.

1432
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:12,880
Um but money is not the most important

1433
02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:15,279
thing to me. My father was a good man, a

1434
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:17,439
good Christian man, he believed to do

1435
02:50:17,439 --> 02:50:19,920
the right thing. And with the way the

1436
02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:22,000
politics is in this world, the way that

1437
02:50:22,000 --> 02:50:24,880
this world is being run, it's all about

1438
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:27,760
money. Please, I beg you to look at your

1439
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:30,319
hearts convictions because each vote

1440
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:32,560
that you vote, you're going to be

1441
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:35,680
responsible for the outcome. And I

1442
02:50:35,680 --> 02:50:38,240
believe you know in your hearts what the

1443
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:40,240
right vote is. That's it.

1444
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:43,359
>> Thank you, ma'am.

1445
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:45,279
Mr. Jagger

1446
02:50:45,279 --> 02:50:46,319
Dana.

1447
02:50:46,319 --> 02:50:50,710
>> Yes, sir.

1448
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:52,640
» Well, you'd be uh pleased to learn that

1449
02:50:52,640 --> 02:50:54,479
mine is off point. It's not about the

1450
02:50:54,479 --> 02:50:56,960
trees. It's about trying to increase the

1451
02:50:56,960 --> 02:50:59,760
use of the of and access to the park. I

1452
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:00,800
mean, the issue of the trees

1453
02:51:00,800 --> 02:51:03,200
environmentalist. I was

1454
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:05,439
uh one of the co-founders with Gaylord

1455
02:51:05,439 --> 02:51:08,319
Nelson of what was called Earth Day in

1456
02:51:08,319 --> 02:51:11,760
2021. So this is an an issue I don't

1457
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:13,439
want to get too involved in.

1458
02:51:13,439 --> 02:51:15,439
>> So speak into the mic.

1459
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,920
>> I'm sorry. Thank you speaking to them.

1460
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:20,720
Thank you very much. But as much as the

1461
02:51:20,720 --> 02:51:22,720
apparently the uh the park is being

1462
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:24,560
used, I think it's still and based what

1463
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:27,439
we we've been hearing, it's underused

1464
02:51:27,439 --> 02:51:30,800
and more more access to the to the park

1465
02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:33,120
I would I believe is benefit to the

1466
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:35,520
community as well as to the hotel

1467
02:51:35,520 --> 02:51:38,240
particularly the access from uh Golden

1468
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:40,720
Lantern uh for many of the people in the

1469
02:51:40,720 --> 02:51:42,000
community at least in the lantern

1470
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:44,319
district to be able to benefit from the

1471
02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:47,760
views as well as uh the the resources of

1472
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:50,800
the hotel if we want it. The access is

1473
02:51:50,800 --> 02:51:53,520
through the uh the stairway to the stars

1474
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:55,439
or all the way around the block and then

1475
02:51:55,439 --> 02:51:58,479
up a hill there as well. Uh I I propose

1476
02:51:58,479 --> 02:52:01,279
increasing more vegetation, more carbon

1477
02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:04,479
capture, more access, more more

1478
02:52:04,479 --> 02:52:06,960
viewpoints such that the community could

1479
02:52:06,960 --> 02:52:09,200
actually benefit from I know the pathway

1480
02:52:09,200 --> 02:52:11,680
is there. I know I'm spending other

1481
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:12,960
people's money, but if it's under

1482
02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:15,279
development, let's look at the park and

1483
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:17,520
its multi-purposes.

1484
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:19,840
We depend on the hotels. The hotels

1485
02:52:19,840 --> 02:52:22,160
provide a lot for us. That's an issue

1486
02:52:22,160 --> 02:52:24,560
you guys will will deal with, I'm sure.

1487
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:28,160
But I'm pointing out that there be more

1488
02:52:28,160 --> 02:52:31,680
access to the to the park if we can find

1489
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:34,160
a more convenient way uh to get

1490
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:37,760
pedestrian access, walkways, uh viewing

1491
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:40,560
areas. Imagine that the residents of

1492
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:44,080
Dana Point could use that west side, if

1493
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:46,080
I get my directions right, that o

1494
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:50,080
overlooks uh JFAT, etc. That direction,

1495
02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:52,160
the views from that hillside would be

1496
02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:54,080
great if people just walk down the hill

1497
02:52:54,080 --> 02:52:56,640
and walk partway up up the park and get

1498
02:52:56,640 --> 02:52:58,800
a great deal of views of that section.

1499
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:00,960
So, that's just my point of view on on

1500
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:04,240
the on the design. And uh we do need

1501
02:53:04,240 --> 02:53:06,960
shade, so I'm very supportive of that.

1502
02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:08,560
Thank you very much.

1503
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:11,040
>> Thank you, sir.

1504
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:16,309
>> Miss Rosanna Libertina.

1505
02:53:16,319 --> 02:53:20,000
» Hello. I'm a Dana Point resident and um

1506
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:23,120
funny thing is the woman who was up here

1507
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:26,240
speaking in the blue. I was walking my

1508
02:53:26,240 --> 02:53:28,319
dog and she was taking those pictures

1509
02:53:28,319 --> 02:53:30,560
that you had and she's like, "They're

1510
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:32,640
going to take down these trees

1511
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:35,520
passionately." And I'm like, "What?" and

1512
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:37,920
I go there to walk my dog on there a

1513
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:41,439
lot. And um I was kind of shocked at the

1514
02:53:41,439 --> 02:53:43,840
characteristic how they characterize

1515
02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:47,120
that park in this presentation because

1516
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:50,240
um wow they made it sound so horrible.

1517
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:52,960
And I wanted to mention that while

1518
02:53:52,960 --> 02:53:55,359
you're standing in the park, you got the

1519
02:53:55,359 --> 02:53:58,000
best views everywhere. There is not a

1520
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:00,240
problem with any views. The problem is

1521
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:04,720
for the hotel guests. So, I I guess I'm

1522
02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:08,160
here to say that um it's a treasure.

1523
02:54:08,160 --> 02:54:11,359
Those trees, the canopy, the character,

1524
02:54:11,359 --> 02:54:15,359
and yes, they've kind of not um I I

1525
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:17,439
wanted you to ask to divide this into

1526
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:19,520
two issues tonight. You don't have to

1527
02:54:19,520 --> 02:54:22,080
vote on the entire blanket. The park

1528
02:54:22,080 --> 02:54:25,359
needs improvements. So, can you vote on

1529
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:28,240
the improvements? But about the trees,

1530
02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:30,560
you know, the report that you gave, I

1531
02:54:30,560 --> 02:54:32,080
couldn't go on there and find out how

1532
02:54:32,080 --> 02:54:34,000
many trees you were cutting down, the

1533
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:37,200
location, the arbur report on every

1534
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:39,520
tree. So, I didn't find that you really

1535
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:42,080
gave enough information to to vote on

1536
02:54:42,080 --> 02:54:44,160
that on the trees. So, if you could

1537
02:54:44,160 --> 02:54:45,920
separate it and if you want to do the

1538
02:54:45,920 --> 02:54:48,479
park improvements, you know, we're all

1539
02:54:48,479 --> 02:54:50,399
behind that. But the trees is really

1540
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:52,399
special. Once you cut them down, you

1541
02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:54,479
can't get them back. And they're really

1542
02:54:54,479 --> 02:54:57,200
a treasure to us. So, please think about

1543
02:54:57,200 --> 02:54:59,200
it and separate it in two and give us

1544
02:54:59,200 --> 02:55:02,240
some time to really evaluate it because

1545
02:55:02,240 --> 02:55:04,960
I was shocked at the portrayal of of the

1546
02:55:04,960 --> 02:55:08,160
park. It it's it's a beautiful park.

1547
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,080
Thank you.

1548
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:12,399
>> Thank you, ma'am.

1549
02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:33,190
>> Joe Larson.

1550
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:35,840
My name is Joe Larson and I've lived in

1551
02:55:35,840 --> 02:55:39,600
Dana Point over 30 years.

1552
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:43,990
That is my park.

1553
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:48,319
Okay, those trees are my trees. When I

1554
02:55:48,319 --> 02:55:53,040
want shade, I go to my park with my dog

1555
02:55:53,040 --> 02:55:55,840
and enjoy the trees. Now, I happen to

1556
02:55:55,840 --> 02:55:58,960
live really close to the hotel. Our

1557
02:55:58,960 --> 02:56:01,279
street was torn up four and a half

1558
02:56:01,279 --> 02:56:04,720
months so that they can get a five-star

1559
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:08,720
review. I don't care to give up my trees

1560
02:56:08,720 --> 02:56:11,920
so that they can get a five-star review.

1561
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:15,040
They owe us something back, not to take

1562
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:17,120
away from us.

1563
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:19,439
Sorry that I'm being pissy about it, but

1564
02:56:19,439 --> 02:56:21,439
I am.

1565
02:56:21,439 --> 02:56:25,200
Those are my This is my park, my trees.

1566
02:56:25,200 --> 02:56:28,319
Don't remove them. Now, as far as making

1567
02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:31,600
other things more beautiful, cool.

1568
02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:34,560
You know, make the amphitheater more

1569
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:37,920
usable, do some repairs.

1570
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:39,520
Cool.

1571
02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:42,800
Uh, leave the trees alone except those

1572
02:56:42,800 --> 02:56:45,279
that are diseased.

1573
02:56:45,279 --> 02:56:48,710
Thank you.

1574
02:56:48,720 --> 02:57:00,389
ma'am. Miss Patty Kendall.

1575
02:57:00,399 --> 02:57:03,040
» Good evening. I'm Patty Kindle. I've

1576
02:57:03,040 --> 02:57:05,520
lived in Dana Point for over 30 years

1577
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:07,600
and I live off of Terrace Lantern in

1578
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:10,240
Dana Point which is right next to that

1579
02:57:10,240 --> 02:57:12,640
beautiful park and I just want you guys

1580
02:57:12,640 --> 02:57:14,640
to make certain that you do the correct

1581
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:17,040
thing for that park and don't destroy

1582
02:57:17,040 --> 02:57:19,600
all the trees. Take out the dead ones

1583
02:57:19,600 --> 02:57:21,600
because I love that park and that's all

1584
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:24,560
I wanted to say. Thank you.

1585
02:57:24,560 --> 02:57:27,359
>> Thank you ma'am.

1586
02:57:27,359 --> 02:57:32,550
Mary or

1587
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:36,800
Hello, my name is Mary Orur and I am a

1588
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:39,200
resident of Dana Point and have been

1589
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:41,359
since 1988.

1590
02:57:41,359 --> 02:57:44,720
I live on Blue Lantern and as you can

1591
02:57:44,720 --> 02:57:48,800
see, I am not a tree lover. I use paper.

1592
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:52,560
So, the trees are not my issue. But as

1593
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:56,720
you can also see, I'm a sun problem. The

1594
02:57:56,720 --> 02:58:01,120
sun is my issue. So right now you have

1595
02:58:01,120 --> 02:58:04,000
that park is set up so you can have

1596
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:07,120
several events separate from each other

1597
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:10,399
because of the two areas that are shaded

1598
02:58:10,399 --> 02:58:12,880
very very well

1599
02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:16,240
and there's tables there and there's

1600
02:58:16,240 --> 02:58:18,399
playground there and there's uh

1601
02:58:18,399 --> 02:58:20,560
barbecues there.

1602
02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:23,520
That shouldn't be taken away. And when I

1603
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,680
looked at

1604
02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:28,800
this page, which was uh the rendering

1605
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:32,479
before, and saw that really this whole

1606
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:36,000
area was going to be denuted of trees,

1607
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:38,880
as is this, which would leave this whole

1608
02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:43,680
side just, you know, to the sun. There

1609
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:47,439
weren't any shade pergolas in there, you

1610
02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:50,240
know, so you could uh coverings.

1611
02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:54,080
And um I think that the problem is that

1612
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:57,840
there wasn't enough input. And that

1613
02:58:57,840 --> 02:59:01,040
problem is because nobody knew about it.

1614
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:04,560
And I don't know how you communicate,

1615
02:59:04,560 --> 02:59:08,080
but of course I found out from um

1616
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:13,279
Gwendalyn and then it all went

1617
02:59:13,279 --> 02:59:16,000
blossoming from there in two days. But I

1618
02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:18,000
really think that uh it should be looked

1619
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:21,200
at more closely and there should be more

1620
02:59:21,200 --> 02:59:27,190
input than 75 people.

1621
02:59:27,200 --> 02:59:30,560
» So thank you all. Thank you.

1622
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:32,319
>> Now we go we're going to go into the

1623
02:59:32,319 --> 02:59:35,120
brave new world piece of public comments

1624
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:37,920
and we have two on Zoom. Can we do we

1625
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:48,630
start with Mr. Baker?

1626
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:51,920
go ahead.

1627
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:54,399
>> Thank you. Uh, good evening. My name is

1628
02:59:54,399 --> 02:59:57,120
Michael Baker. I am a resident of Dana

1629
02:59:57,120 --> 03:00:00,479
Point. I grew up here in Dana Point. My

1630
03:00:00,479 --> 03:00:03,520
daughter attends RHDana.

1631
03:00:03,520 --> 03:00:06,080
Um, it wasn't really until I had a child

1632
03:00:06,080 --> 03:00:12,000
of my own how much I parks and how I

1633
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:15,040
uh learned the importance of shade. Um,

1634
03:00:15,040 --> 03:00:19,439
we visit the parks based off of uh what

1635
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:22,560
how much shade there is. Uh, this park

1636
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:26,399
um my family picnics there in the shade

1637
03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:28,880
under the trees for Mother's Day, for

1638
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:33,200
Father's Day, for birthday parties.

1639
03:00:33,200 --> 03:00:35,120
I

1640
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:38,720
echo all the other community members who

1641
03:00:38,720 --> 03:00:43,120
have spoke up for these trees and um I

1642
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:45,920
applaud them for their bravery truly and

1643
03:00:45,920 --> 03:00:50,960
the point of who to believe. Um, I I too

1644
03:00:50,960 --> 03:00:54,240
find it um the way that the park was

1645
03:00:54,240 --> 03:00:56,800
characterized in the beginning uh

1646
03:00:56,800 --> 03:00:58,880
doesn't represent how I feel about the

1647
03:00:58,880 --> 03:01:02,720
trees or the park or anyone else I know

1648
03:01:02,720 --> 03:01:06,319
um that knows this park.

1649
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:10,399
And so it it does seem odd that

1650
03:01:10,399 --> 03:01:14,160
something so drastic would happen

1651
03:01:14,160 --> 03:01:17,840
without any of us being aware. Um, and

1652
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:20,720
to me that that is suspicious. Uh,

1653
03:01:20,720 --> 03:01:24,080
looking at those renderings, to me that

1654
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:27,439
looks like a hot hell because it's just

1655
03:01:27,439 --> 03:01:30,800
so much sun exposure. Um, to think that

1656
03:01:30,800 --> 03:01:32,560
we would cut down these trees for the

1657
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:35,600
bed in the park to me is ridiculous.

1658
03:01:35,600 --> 03:01:37,680
I

1659
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:41,920
can only see there being um

1660
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:45,279
this being for like a a photo op and

1661
03:01:45,279 --> 03:01:47,840
that would be the only benefit. But

1662
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:49,920
really, you know, no one would want to

1663
03:01:49,920 --> 03:01:53,120
stay there or visit. So, I believe that

1664
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:55,200
cutting down these trees would really

1665
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,520
just be a failure to the park and the

1666
03:01:57,520 --> 03:02:01,359
park would be used even less. Um so,

1667
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:03,840
please consider saving these trees.

1668
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:09,110
Thank you.

1669
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:14,469
Madam clerk,

1670
03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:24,710
phone number ending in 0137.

1671
03:02:24,720 --> 03:02:34,389
Go ahead, please.

1672
03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:59,910
unmute.

1673
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:02,800
Nothing. Is he still online?

1674
03:03:02,800 --> 03:03:06,080
>> Yes, he's still on the line. Or is she?

1675
03:03:06,080 --> 03:03:07,920
>> She

1676
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:10,720
Let's give it a second.

1677
03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:13,040
One more time. Ma'am, if you can unmute,

1678
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:35,990
that would help.

1679
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:37,920
All right. Am I here?

1680
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:38,479
>> Yes.

1681
03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:39,840
>> Am I present?

1682
03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:42,720
>> All right. Thank you, Mut. Wow. That was

1683
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:45,760
a That was a I was mute a lot of my

1684
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:47,680
life, but that was uh one of the times

1685
03:03:47,680 --> 03:03:49,840
I'm I'm not mute anymore. I've been

1686
03:03:49,840 --> 03:03:55,670
coming down to Dana Point since 198

1687
03:03:55,680 --> 03:03:59,040
Oh. Oh, I I am that I am for I am. I'm

1688
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:00,640
called Michael. Nothing less, nothing

1689
03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:02,479
more. I am the resident of the kingdom

1690
03:04:02,479 --> 03:04:05,840
of heaven and I'm here to give my

1691
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:07,760
experience of these trees. I've been

1692
03:04:07,760 --> 03:04:10,880
coming down here since 1982.

1693
03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:16,560
uh enjoying the shade. I'm wondering why uh we have to take these things

1694
03:04:16,560 --> 03:04:19,359
down. Uh we've had natural beauty for a

1695
03:04:19,359 --> 03:04:22,800
long time. You got migratory birds that

1696
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:25,680
fly in here. And um what this is, this

1697
03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:28,880
is a an attack on nature,

1698
03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:33,359
on on women, on the feminine, and uh

1699
03:04:33,359 --> 03:04:34,880
horrible.

1700
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:39,760
Uh this is absurd. Uh, none of these uh

1701
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:42,399
none of this this hotel has any say in

1702
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:47,200
any any kind of action here. This is setting you guys up for a a

1703
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:49,520
big-time lawsuit, failure to handle

1704
03:04:49,520 --> 03:04:52,240
fiduciary affairs and moral turpitude.

1705
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:55,040
Uh, this is absurd. Uh, this is kind of

1706
03:04:55,040 --> 03:04:58,080
goes just sounds like a bunch of liars.

1707
03:04:58,080 --> 03:04:59,600
Uh,

1708
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:01,760
that, you know, fits right in with the

1709
03:05:01,760 --> 03:05:06,000
well well-fed capitalism of 1945. Uh,

1710
03:05:06,000 --> 03:05:07,760
you know, I've had I've had plenty of

1711
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:10,560
fun here at this park with my dogs. I

1712
03:05:10,560 --> 03:05:14,160
run dogs off leash. I train them. I'm an

1713
03:05:14,160 --> 03:05:17,040
acrobatic dog person. I get put in jail

1714
03:05:17,040 --> 03:05:18,960
because of these well-fed capos. And

1715
03:05:18,960 --> 03:05:22,080
it's absurd. Just no different than what

1716
03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:24,000
happened at the park over there when an

1717
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:27,439
a mob of 10 people came and assaulted

1718
03:05:27,439 --> 03:05:29,840
and battered me. And uh there was not

1719
03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:33,439
one security. There was a guy that was

1720
03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:36,960
120 pounds at this huge event. So, you

1721
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:38,720
guys are once again setting yourself up

1722
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:43,120
for uh big- time action. Big time. Uh

1723
03:05:43,120 --> 03:05:45,439
notice principles, notice notice to

1724
03:05:45,439 --> 03:05:46,880
agent, notice to agent, notice the

1725
03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:50,560
principal. Thank you very much.

1726
03:05:50,560 --> 03:05:53,279
>> Thank you. We will now move on to

1727
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:56,000
council discussion. See, I'm sorry. No

1728
03:05:56,000 --> 03:05:57,840
one else online.

1729
03:05:57,840 --> 03:06:04,309
>> Carrie Sanderson.

1730
03:06:04,319 --> 03:06:06,080
Carrie, are you interested in providing

1731
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:15,670
public comment?

1732
03:06:15,680 --> 03:06:18,399
» Be patient, folks. It's it's a new world

1733
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:27,110
for all of us. So,

1734
03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:29,120
» Carrie has left the Zoom.

1735
03:06:29,120 --> 03:06:32,319
>> Okay. Is there anyone else on the Zoom?

1736
03:06:32,319 --> 03:06:33,040
>> No, sir.

1737
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:35,200
>> Okay. So, with that, we will turn this

1738
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:37,520
back over to the council for discussion.

1739
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:39,840
Colleagues, anyone want to start?

1740
03:06:39,840 --> 03:06:41,040
>> Uh, Mr. Feder Rico.

1741
03:06:41,040 --> 03:06:42,160
>> Thanks, Mr. May. I have a question

1742
03:06:42,160 --> 03:06:44,240
first. Uh, Mr. Rosler, can you or

1743
03:06:44,240 --> 03:06:45,840
someone tell me about the crepe myrtle

1744
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:49,120
trees? Crepe myrtle trees which are

1745
03:06:49,120 --> 03:06:52,240
proposed to be planted come in lots of

1746
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:59,110
different styles, shapes, and sizes.

1747
03:06:59,120 --> 03:07:01,359
Yes, the uh crepe myrtles that were

1748
03:07:01,359 --> 03:07:04,319
proposed there are going to be standard.

1749
03:07:04,319 --> 03:07:07,439
So, they would be a tree format, but I'm

1750
03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:10,240
happy to, you know, work with you guys

1751
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:13,040
and figure out a better shade solution

1752
03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:14,800
and a better tree. Uh,

1753
03:07:14,800 --> 03:07:16,240
>> no, I think they so I think

1754
03:07:16,240 --> 03:07:17,359
>> for that area

1755
03:07:17,359 --> 03:07:20,560
>> I Yeah. Um, crepe murals are beautiful.

1756
03:07:20,560 --> 03:07:22,800
They flower and can be good shade trees

1757
03:07:22,800 --> 03:07:25,279
also depending on the type you get.

1758
03:07:25,279 --> 03:07:27,520
>> So, that is correct. And the goal is to

1759
03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:29,920
replace with

1760
03:07:29,920 --> 03:07:32,000
shade trees. Trees that will provide

1761
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:34,080
shade. All right. Um that was my only

1762
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:35,600
question. Mr. Mayor, I do have some

1763
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:37,279
comments if you don't mind me making

1764
03:07:37,279 --> 03:07:38,319
them now.

1765
03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:40,960
>> Just one real quick. Uh for just a point

1766
03:07:40,960 --> 03:07:44,640
of order. Um please refrain from

1767
03:07:44,640 --> 03:07:47,840
outburst while we debate this because it

1768
03:07:47,840 --> 03:07:50,319
just it slows the process down and we

1769
03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:52,240
can't you know there's going to be a lot

1770
03:07:52,240 --> 03:07:54,800
of discussion internally. So, I just I

1771
03:07:54,800 --> 03:07:56,319
appreciate it if you got folks would

1772
03:07:56,319 --> 03:07:59,840
just let's let's have our discussion and

1773
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:05,590
we'll take it from there. So, thank you.

1774
03:08:05,600 --> 03:08:06,640
» Go ahead.

1775
03:08:06,640 --> 03:08:08,240
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I appreciate it.

1776
03:08:08,240 --> 03:08:10,319
Um Taylor, are you the one that's

1777
03:08:10,319 --> 03:08:15,279
putting up the slides? Could you put the slide of the rendering of what the

1778
03:08:15,279 --> 03:08:20,309
proposal is?

1779
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:23,520
» Mr. Mayor, I still got

1780
03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:24,560
We'll come back to you in a sec.

1781
03:08:24,560 --> 03:08:30,150
>> Yeah, questions first.

1782
03:08:30,160 --> 03:08:33,040
» Yeah, this one. Thanks.

1783
03:08:33,040 --> 03:08:35,520
I guess the question is for Mr. Rosler.

1784
03:08:35,520 --> 03:08:38,000
Is

1785
03:08:38,000 --> 03:08:40,640
why is this the only or is this the only

1786
03:08:40,640 --> 03:08:44,000
option? Is this I mean clearly uh I

1787
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:45,600
think the majority of folks here said,

1788
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,880
"Yeah, we want to see uh improvements to

1789
03:08:48,880 --> 03:08:50,960
the to the park, the amphitheater.

1790
03:08:50,960 --> 03:08:52,800
There's no doubt it needs it needs

1791
03:08:52,800 --> 03:08:54,960
improvement. Uh botanical garden would

1792
03:08:54,960 --> 03:08:58,160
be awesome, but the park is so big. Why

1793
03:08:58,160 --> 03:09:06,479
does it have to be this only option? Is is there room for compromise here at

1794
03:09:06,479 --> 03:09:09,040
all um

1795
03:09:09,040 --> 03:09:13,590
in this process? I'm just curious.

1796
03:09:13,600 --> 03:09:16,720
We um utilized the big event space for

1797
03:09:16,720 --> 03:09:20,319
several events for the city and you can

1798
03:09:20,319 --> 03:09:23,200
see that off the culde-sac we left that

1799
03:09:23,200 --> 03:09:26,560
area open so that we can uh get large

1800
03:09:26,560 --> 03:09:29,600
trucks into the area. You know we have

1801
03:09:29,600 --> 03:09:32,640
the festival whales carnival in this

1802
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:35,200
area and so we'd still like to hold

1803
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:38,240
those large events. Fourth of July, um

1804
03:09:38,240 --> 03:09:39,439
there's a lot of viewing of the

1805
03:09:39,439 --> 03:09:42,240
fireworks and so, you know, we left the

1806
03:09:42,240 --> 03:09:45,200
area along the bluff open as well for

1807
03:09:45,200 --> 03:09:47,279
viewing of those fireworks. So, you

1808
03:09:47,279 --> 03:09:50,479
know, really tried to leave the open

1809
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:53,279
space open where we could.

1810
03:09:53,279 --> 03:10:00,560
>> So, I think that's an important point to go into. So, you know, things like

1811
03:10:00,560 --> 03:10:04,080
movies in the park, yoga, carnival, you

1812
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:06,640
know, data point has a bunch of awesome

1813
03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:09,680
events. So, will those would those be

1814
03:10:09,680 --> 03:10:11,760
impacted? So, you're trying to So, what

1815
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:12,560
you're saying is you're trying to

1816
03:10:12,560 --> 03:10:15,279
minimize the impact on a majority of

1817
03:10:15,279 --> 03:10:21,439
events and so there is there room to

1818
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:23,279
if we

1819
03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:26,880
is there room for compromise on this? I

1820
03:10:26,880 --> 03:10:28,720
don't believe there is as far as the

1821
03:10:28,720 --> 03:10:32,000
botanical garden. Um on the other side

1822
03:10:32,000 --> 03:10:34,080
is where we do yoga in the park and that

1823
03:10:34,080 --> 03:10:36,720
whole side is not going to be touched.

1824
03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:39,279
Um as well as the stone pines there and

1825
03:10:39,279 --> 03:10:41,600
the Tory pine trees on that side will

1826
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:45,120
not be touched and they will remain.

1827
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:46,880
>> Did this design come from our city

1828
03:10:46,880 --> 03:10:47,760
staff?

1829
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:48,479
>> It did not.

1830
03:10:48,479 --> 03:10:49,520
>> Who did it come from?

1831
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:51,200
>> It came from the resort.

1832
03:10:51,200 --> 03:10:54,230
>> Yeah.

1833
03:10:54,240 --> 03:10:56,160
» Okay.

1834
03:10:56,160 --> 03:11:00,389
Thank you.

1835
03:11:00,399 --> 03:11:02,720
» We gave plenty of input into this design

1836
03:11:02,720 --> 03:11:08,319
and after um a couple renditions uh they

1837
03:11:08,319 --> 03:11:10,880
you know happily changed what what we

1838
03:11:10,880 --> 03:11:17,510
wanted to see as a city

1839
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:19,920
» colleagues.

1840
03:11:19,920 --> 03:11:21,279
Mr. Pano

1841
03:11:21,279 --> 03:11:22,720
>> okay Mr. Frost.

1842
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:26,399
>> Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um, lots of emotion

1843
03:11:26,399 --> 03:11:29,200
in here. Um, but I do want to try to get

1844
03:11:29,200 --> 03:11:32,080
to facts. Um,

1845
03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:34,240
do we know when the the trees that were

1846
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:37,279
there that are there now, the the trees

1847
03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:39,359
that we'd be removing along the sidewalk

1848
03:11:39,359 --> 03:11:41,120
and then I guess on the western side,

1849
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:42,800
when were those put in?

1850
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:44,319
>> 1983.

1851
03:11:44,319 --> 03:11:46,560
>> Okay. And what was there? There was I'm

1852
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:48,160
trying to picture the pictures on social

1853
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:49,600
media and whatnot. There's basically

1854
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:52,399
just a hillside there before. Correct.

1855
03:11:52,399 --> 03:11:56,000
It was a scrubby bluff. Think uh the

1856
03:11:56,000 --> 03:11:58,479
nature interpretive center.

1857
03:11:58,479 --> 03:11:58,800
>> Okay.

1858
03:11:58,800 --> 03:12:00,800
>> Land. So it would have been coastal sage

1859
03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:01,680
scrub there.

1860
03:12:01,680 --> 03:12:04,880
>> Okay. And then do we know why these like

1861
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:07,120
is there some was it just some county

1862
03:12:07,120 --> 03:12:08,640
guy out there? Did he went to Home

1863
03:12:08,640 --> 03:12:10,479
Depot? Well, Home Depot didn't exist. He

1864
03:12:10,479 --> 03:12:12,640
went to the landscape place and went and

1865
03:12:12,640 --> 03:12:14,640
grabbed something or like was there

1866
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:18,000
>> did my brothers develop the the area?

1867
03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:21,600
They chose uh a Mediterranean Italian

1868
03:12:21,600 --> 03:12:24,080
pine that would do well in the climate

1869
03:12:24,080 --> 03:12:28,319
and a pine that is down in San Diego and

1870
03:12:28,319 --> 03:12:30,160
Santa Rosa Island that would do well in

1871
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:31,359
the climate as well.

1872
03:12:31,359 --> 03:12:34,800
>> Okay, so these two types of trees are

1873
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:37,680
found in California, but they're not

1874
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:39,439
they weren't naturally here.

1875
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:40,000
>> Correct.

1876
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:44,950
>> Okay, that's an important concept. Um

1877
03:12:44,960 --> 03:12:47,520
» um I think I have some others but um I

1878
03:12:47,520 --> 03:12:49,040
need to go find them in my sheet here.

1879
03:12:49,040 --> 03:12:50,880
So thank you.

1880
03:12:50,880 --> 03:12:52,960
>> Anything comments?

1881
03:12:52,960 --> 03:12:55,359
>> Okay,

1882
03:12:55,359 --> 03:12:56,720
>> Mr. Rosler.

1883
03:12:56,720 --> 03:12:58,080
>> Bark beetles.

1884
03:12:58,080 --> 03:12:59,279
sir.

1885
03:12:59,279 --> 03:13:01,439
>> How many of those trees actually have

1886
03:13:01,439 --> 03:13:03,200
not not that have to be taken out today,

1887
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:04,960
but how many of them?

1888
03:13:04,960 --> 03:13:08,319
>> It's hard to say. Um the report was done

1889
03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:11,840
like 15 months ago and there was you

1890
03:13:11,840 --> 03:13:14,640
know the several that were infested and

1891
03:13:14,640 --> 03:13:19,279
they we needed to go back and do some further studies.

1892
03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:23,680
>> Hang on hang on. as I as we have to talk

1893
03:13:23,680 --> 03:13:30,389
to you. I understand your point. Um

1894
03:13:30,399 --> 03:13:34,239
is what's the magic on those?

1895
03:13:34,239 --> 03:13:36,080
>> It's a policy we came up with two years

1896
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:39,040
ago. So it's not specific to this park.

1897
03:13:39,040 --> 03:13:41,920
It's a policy we use across a city. So,

1898
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:45,359
anytime we take out any city tree, which

1899
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:49,510
there are 77,638

1900
03:13:49,520 --> 03:13:52,560
city trees, um anytime we remove one, we

1901
03:13:52,560 --> 03:13:54,560
replace it with two. And that's just so

1902
03:13:54,560 --> 03:13:58,720
that our our city urban forest does not

1903
03:13:58,720 --> 03:14:02,080
dwindle and so that we're always like

1904
03:14:02,080 --> 03:14:03,680
uh ramping it up, so to say.

1905
03:14:03,680 --> 03:14:06,080
>> So, there is opportunities to put even

1906
03:14:06,080 --> 03:14:07,760
more than two if we need to.

1907
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:08,560
>> Absolutely.

1908
03:14:08,560 --> 03:14:10,239
>> Okay. And we have places we could put

1909
03:14:10,239 --> 03:14:12,560
them. Absolutely. Yeah, we have a we

1910
03:14:12,560 --> 03:14:15,040
keep city staff keeps an inventory of of

1911
03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:18,640
trees uh two foot box trees uh in the

1912
03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:20,800
city at all times and we're always

1913
03:14:20,800 --> 03:14:22,800
replacing not part of this project but

1914
03:14:22,800 --> 03:14:24,479
always planting city trees.

1915
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:28,399
>> And lastly, the endangered claim are

1916
03:14:28,399 --> 03:14:30,399
Tories endangered?

1917
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:33,520
>> The natural stands of Tory pines are in

1918
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:35,760
San Diego. These were not a natural

1919
03:14:35,760 --> 03:14:37,520
stand. They were planted by the Smite

1920
03:14:37,520 --> 03:14:39,359
brothers in 1983.

1921
03:14:39,359 --> 03:14:43,510
>> Okay. Thank you.

1922
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:46,319
» Thank you.

1923
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:48,960
>> We'll go back to We'll go back. He's got

1924
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:53,750
comments. Mr. Feder Rico,

1925
03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:54,479
» I'm sorry.

1926
03:14:54,479 --> 03:14:58,080
>> Um the the 2 to1 is not We're not having

1927
03:14:58,080 --> 03:15:01,040
We're not meeting that on this project.

1928
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:04,960
Are are we at one or

1929
03:15:04,960 --> 03:15:07,359
>> in these plans? Uh we are not meeting

1930
03:15:07,359 --> 03:15:10,160
that but we will meet that through the

1931
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:13,120
city through uh either in the park or

1932
03:15:13,120 --> 03:15:14,960
elsewhere.

1933
03:15:14,960 --> 03:15:20,720
>> Okay. Okay. Are we meeting one to one?

1934
03:15:20,720 --> 03:15:22,560
>> Oh I mean

1935
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:24,720
>> not in not in these drawings but but

1936
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:26,160
we're going to go back and look where

1937
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:27,840
it's appropriate to add more shade trees

1938
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:30,080
and definitely put more shade trees in.

1939
03:15:30,080 --> 03:15:33,040
>> Okay. And then uh sorry I've got these

1940
03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:36,000
written everywhere. Um the barbecues

1941
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:37,840
underneath I mean there's there's really

1942
03:15:37,840 --> 03:15:39,920
no structures underneath the sidewalk

1943
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:42,880
other than the sidewalk. Um but the the

1944
03:15:42,880 --> 03:15:45,359
barbecues and the

1945
03:15:45,359 --> 03:15:48,640
picnic tables underneath um the other

1946
03:15:48,640 --> 03:15:51,439
section of trees I didn't see in here.

1947
03:15:51,439 --> 03:15:55,200
Do those do we come out netting to the

1948
03:15:55,200 --> 03:16:01,990
same thing as far as seating goes?

1949
03:16:02,000 --> 03:16:03,200
» Probably not.

1950
03:16:03,200 --> 03:16:03,760
No.

1951
03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:04,720
>> Okay.

1952
03:16:04,720 --> 03:16:08,469
>> Um,

1953
03:16:08,479 --> 03:16:10,800
» but we can we can certainly add

1954
03:16:10,800 --> 03:16:12,800
additional seating in the botanical

1955
03:16:12,800 --> 03:16:15,600
garden with shade. I mean, we can we can

1956
03:16:15,600 --> 03:16:17,760
certainly net out if that is what you

1957
03:16:17,760 --> 03:16:18,319
would like to see.

1958
03:16:18,319 --> 03:16:19,520
>> That's an important concept.

1959
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:20,640
>> That's what you would like to see

1960
03:16:20,640 --> 03:16:21,120
happen.

1961
03:16:21,120 --> 03:16:24,560
>> Um, okay. Thanks.

1962
03:16:24,560 --> 03:16:25,200
>> That's all.

1963
03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:27,120
>> Thank you, sir.

1964
03:16:27,120 --> 03:16:28,479
We'll start with Mr. Federico.

1965
03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:30,399
>> I have another question.

1966
03:16:30,399 --> 03:16:31,840
>> Go ahead.

1967
03:16:31,840 --> 03:16:36,000
So on that same note of uh

1968
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:38,399
is it possible to

1969
03:16:38,399 --> 03:16:40,239
keep some of these trees in the

1970
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:42,720
botanical garden? Why why do they all

1971
03:16:42,720 --> 03:16:46,880
have to go? Can't we keep some of them

1972
03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:48,960
and incorporate it into the botanical

1973
03:16:48,960 --> 03:16:50,560
garden? I know I'm redesigning something

1974
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:53,920
we passed a year ago, but is is that

1975
03:16:53,920 --> 03:16:56,080
possible? I I know you're asking off the

1976
03:16:56,080 --> 03:16:57,439
top of your head. Maybe that's an unfair

1977
03:16:57,439 --> 03:17:00,880
question. the roots and the way that the

1978
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:03,040
shade canopy and the pine needles they

1979
03:17:03,040 --> 03:17:06,000
drop would not support the coastal sage

1980
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:08,000
scrub and the agave environment that

1981
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:08,960
we're trying to put in there.

1982
03:17:08,960 --> 03:17:12,479
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you,

1983
03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:16,000
>> Mr. Federico. Uh thanks, Mr. Mayor. Um

1984
03:17:16,000 --> 03:17:18,000
and thanks colleagues for your questions

1985
03:17:18,000 --> 03:17:19,520
as well. I was going to hit on the

1986
03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:21,920
transparency part real quick. We voted

1987
03:17:21,920 --> 03:17:24,399
on directing staff to to pursue this and

1988
03:17:24,399 --> 03:17:28,160
work with uh this plan months ago at a

1989
03:17:28,160 --> 03:17:29,680
publicly agendaized meeting right here

1990
03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:31,359
in this room. So, if people weren't

1991
03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:33,359
paying attention, I feel badly about

1992
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:35,200
that. But there's nothing but

1993
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:37,760
transparency about this process. And

1994
03:17:37,760 --> 03:17:39,920
I'll say for I've been on this council

1995
03:17:39,920 --> 03:17:42,080
for coming up on eight years. For eight

1996
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:44,399
years, we've been talking about how are

1997
03:17:44,399 --> 03:17:46,720
we going to fix and redesign that park.

1998
03:17:46,720 --> 03:17:49,279
So,

1999
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:50,479
there's a lot of emotion in the room.

2000
03:17:50,479 --> 03:17:52,960
You said it yourself, Mr. Frost, and I

2001
03:17:52,960 --> 03:17:54,960
appreciate all of that. Um, I think

2002
03:17:54,960 --> 03:17:57,439
there's subjective opinions about what

2003
03:17:57,439 --> 03:18:00,239
makes a a park beautiful, and I was in

2004
03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:02,160
that park this morning as well, and I

2005
03:18:02,160 --> 03:18:04,640
think it is pretty beautiful, except for

2006
03:18:04,640 --> 03:18:06,319
the big long line of trees that cuts it

2007
03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:09,120
in half. Um, it's not going to be a

2008
03:18:09,120 --> 03:18:10,960
popular opinion out there, but I think

2009
03:18:10,960 --> 03:18:15,040
it the the the pine grove is a mess

2010
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:17,200
underneath it. um overgrown with roots

2011
03:18:17,200 --> 03:18:19,359
and the pine needles, keep grass from

2012
03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:21,920
growing. And uh I think we there are

2013
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:24,399
ways to get shade trees back, redesign

2014
03:18:24,399 --> 03:18:25,680
this park, and make it better for

2015
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:27,120
everyone. And I could not care less

2016
03:18:27,120 --> 03:18:29,040
about what happens behind it, but

2017
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:30,880
keeping an open space to be used for

2018
03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:34,399
community events. Um keeping the Stone

2019
03:18:34,399 --> 03:18:36,080
Pine Grove on the east side of the park

2020
03:18:36,080 --> 03:18:38,960
untouched so people can have a shade

2021
03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:41,840
canopy to use if they want, I think is a

2022
03:18:41,840 --> 03:18:45,200
betterment for the community in general.

2023
03:18:45,200 --> 03:18:49,200
Um, no one likes change. Um, it's a

2024
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:51,040
subjective opinion to say that this new

2025
03:18:51,040 --> 03:18:52,560
version of the park would not be as

2026
03:18:52,560 --> 03:18:57,279
good. No one likes change, but um, I I

2027
03:18:57,279 --> 03:18:58,720
actually think it will be better. We

2028
03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:00,160
think we have some work to do on making

2029
03:19:00,160 --> 03:19:02,080
sure that the the shade trees go in. And

2030
03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:04,560
by the way, we've said it a couple times

2031
03:19:04,560 --> 03:19:08,720
tonight, the trees here that people are so in love with were paid for by

2032
03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:10,880
developers, were put in by the Smith

2033
03:19:10,880 --> 03:19:14,000
Brother Development Company who graded

2034
03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:16,080
that. The Army Corps of Engineers graded

2035
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:18,319
that natural hill. It's landfill. It

2036
03:19:18,319 --> 03:19:20,080
used to be ravines and it's landfill

2037
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:23,040
now, quite frankly. Um, and then

2038
03:19:23,040 --> 03:19:26,080
developed the homes in which many of the

2039
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:28,080
residents tonight

2040
03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:31,680
live in. Um it I get that it's not it's

2041
03:19:31,680 --> 03:19:33,760
not no one likes change. Uh but this is

2042
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:37,040
a natural course of of evolving. I think

2043
03:19:37,040 --> 03:19:39,120
this park will get more and better use.

2044
03:19:39,120 --> 03:19:40,720
I'm happy that we're keeping the the the

2045
03:19:40,720 --> 03:19:42,080
Shade Grove on the east side of the

2046
03:19:42,080 --> 03:19:43,840
park. I'm hoping we improve the

2047
03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:46,160
playground structure, which is the worst

2048
03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:48,399
playground structure in the city of Dana

2049
03:19:48,399 --> 03:19:50,800
Point. Um I don't know if that was

2050
03:19:50,800 --> 03:19:52,000
mentioned in any of the surveys or not.

2051
03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:53,040
I didn't see it in there, but it's

2052
03:19:53,040 --> 03:19:55,040
terrible. Uh but that brings me to my

2053
03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:57,439
bigger point. this portion is what we

2054
03:19:57,439 --> 03:19:59,200
could get

2055
03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:01,840
uh the hotel property to pay for sort of

2056
03:20:01,840 --> 03:20:04,080
as mitigation for the they had to to do

2057
03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:07,760
work in our park anyway. Um but this

2058
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:09,359
doesn't mean this is the end of what we

2059
03:20:09,359 --> 03:20:11,680
can do with Lanner Bay Park. Um further

2060
03:20:11,680 --> 03:20:13,120
on the west side, west of the botchi

2061
03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:14,640
ball courts, we could maybe do some work

2062
03:20:14,640 --> 03:20:16,080
over there on the east side. We can

2063
03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:17,600
hopefully improve the the playground

2064
03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:19,439
equipment and do some other things. This

2065
03:20:19,439 --> 03:20:21,920
is a section of the park that is

2066
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:23,600
redesigned to be this way. I think that

2067
03:20:23,600 --> 03:20:26,880
the the the pollinators, the native

2068
03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:29,680
garden, uh the walkway, the pathway that

2069
03:20:29,680 --> 03:20:32,319
connects not only the beautiful mosaic

2070
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:34,399
staircase with the park, but also which

2071
03:20:34,399 --> 03:20:37,040
will connect uh Golden Lantern to get

2072
03:20:37,040 --> 03:20:38,479
people moving through the city and get

2073
03:20:38,479 --> 03:20:40,720
into and out of the park more easily. Um

2074
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:42,399
and just through our town and and down

2075
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:44,800
across to Dhaney Beach. um our net

2076
03:20:44,800 --> 03:20:46,479
benefits.

2077
03:20:46,479 --> 03:20:49,120
While it's not ever fun to see trees

2078
03:20:49,120 --> 03:20:54,160
grow, I honestly think uh it's a it's

2079
03:20:54,160 --> 03:20:56,000
just because some developer in the 80s

2080
03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:57,760
decided to plant a long row of overly

2081
03:20:57,760 --> 03:21:00,080
dense pal pine trees doesn't mean we

2082
03:21:00,080 --> 03:21:02,080
should be stuck with them forever. So, I

2083
03:21:02,080 --> 03:21:03,920
appreciate the the resident's comments.

2084
03:21:03,920 --> 03:21:07,120
I take them seriously. Um but I believe

2085
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:08,720
as a resident of this town who goes in

2086
03:21:08,720 --> 03:21:10,640
that park that this will be an

2087
03:21:10,640 --> 03:21:12,880
improvement. So, I will move the staff

2088
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:14,319
recommended action with the direction

2089
03:21:14,319 --> 03:21:15,760
that we're careful about what the trees

2090
03:21:15,760 --> 03:21:18,880
are and we look at opportunities um to

2091
03:21:18,880 --> 03:21:21,680
create shade in and around the park. I

2092
03:21:21,680 --> 03:21:24,160
think if you if surveyed and I know

2093
03:21:24,160 --> 03:21:25,920
Annie's husband is a landscape designer,

2094
03:21:25,920 --> 03:21:27,120
I don't know what he would say. I think

2095
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:28,720
if you surveyed a 100 landscape

2096
03:21:28,720 --> 03:21:30,399
designers, zero of them would have

2097
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:36,720
designed what's there now. Um and we can we can do better. So, I support

2098
03:21:36,720 --> 03:21:38,319
the staff recommended action with that

2099
03:21:38,319 --> 03:21:39,520
direction.

2100
03:21:39,520 --> 03:21:41,359
>> Thank you, sir.

2101
03:21:41,359 --> 03:21:44,399
Mr. BL, anything.

2102
03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:46,880
>> Mr. Banana,

2103
03:21:46,880 --> 03:21:50,229
you have a second.

2104
03:21:50,239 --> 03:21:51,920
» He made the motion.

2105
03:21:51,920 --> 03:21:53,840
>> Yeah, we can finish comments and then

2106
03:21:53,840 --> 03:21:55,680
take a second.

2107
03:21:55,680 --> 03:21:57,920
>> Um,

2108
03:21:57,920 --> 03:22:00,479
I this is one of those things where the

2109
03:22:00,479 --> 03:22:02,479
beauty of this council is that we can

2110
03:22:02,479 --> 03:22:05,840
have disagreements and debate it and

2111
03:22:05,840 --> 03:22:07,439
move on. And I think some of the

2112
03:22:07,439 --> 03:22:09,200
comments tonight I'll just say on

2113
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:10,880
surprisingly I disagree with a lot of

2114
03:22:10,880 --> 03:22:13,840
the way things were said tonight. Um I

2115
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:15,200
think there's a lot of people trying to

2116
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:17,040
do the right thing but maybe doing it

2117
03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:19,120
the wrong way and some of the comments

2118
03:22:19,120 --> 03:22:23,760
or the inferred um comments about city

2119
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:26,720
staff or colleagues that sit up here. To

2120
03:22:26,720 --> 03:22:28,800
me it's just knowing these people it

2121
03:22:28,800 --> 03:22:30,960
doesn't land well with me. Um, in saying

2122
03:22:30,960 --> 03:22:34,800
that, what's been discussed tonight,

2123
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:36,880
being a person that's lived here my

2124
03:22:36,880 --> 03:22:38,720
whole life, I'm going to continue to be

2125
03:22:38,720 --> 03:22:39,920
consistent with what I said last

2126
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:42,080
November, which is I would like to

2127
03:22:42,080 --> 03:22:44,720
preserve the trees myself personally.

2128
03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:47,120
Um, and I do thank Jeff for his

2129
03:22:47,120 --> 03:22:48,560
presentation. And I thank you for your

2130
03:22:48,560 --> 03:22:51,439
comments and understand your points, but

2131
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:53,120
I want to be consistent with my position

2132
03:22:53,120 --> 03:22:55,120
last November and which is to maintain

2133
03:22:55,120 --> 03:22:59,030
the trees

2134
03:22:59,040 --> 03:23:00,720
» comment. Mr. Mayor,

2135
03:23:00,720 --> 03:23:02,560
>> go ahead.

2136
03:23:02,560 --> 03:23:05,040
So, I appreciate uh Councilman Pagano

2137
03:23:05,040 --> 03:23:08,239
bringing that up and and and and uh I

2138
03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:10,960
agree with him that some of the things

2139
03:23:10,960 --> 03:23:13,600
that were said tonight, especially about

2140
03:23:13,600 --> 03:23:16,160
staff, like I this city has proven over

2141
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:18,720
and over again, it's love of trees, just

2142
03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:20,800
literally a couple of weeks ago, we're

2143
03:23:20,800 --> 03:23:23,920
talking about uh palm trees that we're

2144
03:23:23,920 --> 03:23:26,800
trying to save. Like I I I don't I I

2145
03:23:26,800 --> 03:23:30,000
think maybe folks watch the news too

2146
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:32,000
much and think that we are like, you

2147
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:35,040
know, national uh politicians here.

2148
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:36,640
We're not. We're residents just like

2149
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:39,680
you. Um and some of the stuff I I

2150
03:23:39,680 --> 03:23:42,000
actually found offensive uh to me

2151
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:45,600
personally. Um it doesn't it doesn't

2152
03:23:45,600 --> 03:23:49,680
impact how I'm going to vote, but on the

2153
03:23:49,680 --> 03:23:51,439
other side, I I do want to say I

2154
03:23:51,439 --> 03:23:53,200
appreciate you coming in here. like

2155
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:55,359
anytime a resident spends their time,

2156
03:23:55,359 --> 03:23:57,840
their own personal time coming into city

2157
03:23:57,840 --> 03:24:02,080
council, it has an impact on me. Um, so,

2158
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:05,600
you know, the messaging, you know, just understand like we're we're

2159
03:24:05,600 --> 03:24:09,120
residents. Uh, we're we're here trying

2160
03:24:09,120 --> 03:24:11,600
to serve the best that we can. Um, and

2161
03:24:11,600 --> 03:24:15,920
the, you know, the attacks really aren't necessary. Uh, but you've given

2162
03:24:15,920 --> 03:24:17,920
me a lot to think about. I'm still not

2163
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:20,880
100% sure what I'm going to vote, but uh

2164
03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:22,399
I just did want to make that comment

2165
03:24:22,399 --> 03:24:26,080
that I I do sincerely appreciate any

2166
03:24:26,080 --> 03:24:28,880
resident that comes to council and comes

2167
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:30,720
here to make a comment. Whether I agree

2168
03:24:30,720 --> 03:24:33,040
with it or not, it does have an impact

2169
03:24:33,040 --> 03:24:35,760
on me personally. And this is what um

2170
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:37,680
city government is for is for you to

2171
03:24:37,680 --> 03:24:42,560
come and and and meet with council and say what you need to say. And we

2172
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:44,640
respect you for that. and but you also

2173
03:24:44,640 --> 03:24:46,720
should respect the vote that's that's

2174
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:49,439
about to happen. That's all I have.

2175
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:52,560
>> Thank you, sir. Mayor Pro Tim,

2176
03:24:52,560 --> 03:24:54,640
>> thanks. I brought up uh well, first of

2177
03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:57,680
all, let me say I I I chalk up that to

2178
03:24:57,680 --> 03:25:01,600
being an emotional issue. So, um I

2179
03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:03,840
brought up the facts because uh it

2180
03:25:03,840 --> 03:25:06,080
became kind of a big deal in my kids

2181
03:25:06,080 --> 03:25:07,600
school. And one thing I would say to

2182
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:09,520
them is that when you run an

2183
03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:11,120
organization, I guess whether it's a

2184
03:25:11,120 --> 03:25:14,160
bureaucracy or a private company, it is

2185
03:25:14,160 --> 03:25:16,560
critical to get to the facts. It is

2186
03:25:16,560 --> 03:25:19,120
critical not to make an emotional uh

2187
03:25:19,120 --> 03:25:22,960
decision right away. Um and it's I I

2188
03:25:22,960 --> 03:25:26,319
would say taking the emotion out of it,

2189
03:25:26,319 --> 03:25:28,000
uh the decision is really, hey, do the

2190
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:31,680
net benefits outweigh the cons, which

2191
03:25:31,680 --> 03:25:34,160
would be cutting down the trees, right?

2192
03:25:34,160 --> 03:25:36,000
And if if you look in the staff report,

2193
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:43,040
there are benefits received. Um that the Marriott would pay for um some

2194
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:44,319
of the comments like it's all about

2195
03:25:44,319 --> 03:25:46,880
money. Well, that would be if we took

2196
03:25:46,880 --> 03:25:48,880
taxpayer money to help them. They're

2197
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:51,760
funding they're funding improvements for

2198
03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:53,840
us. And at the city level, we do this

2199
03:25:53,840 --> 03:25:55,600
all the time, folks. This is probably

2200
03:25:55,600 --> 03:25:57,520
one of the reasons why we are good

2201
03:25:57,520 --> 03:26:00,239
financially. We operate well with our

2202
03:26:00,239 --> 03:26:01,840
businesses.

2203
03:26:01,840 --> 03:26:03,600
think about some of the benefits. Is

2204
03:26:03,600 --> 03:26:06,080
that sidewalk that Dana mentioned? Is

2205
03:26:06,080 --> 03:26:08,239
the rose garden? Is the improved

2206
03:26:08,239 --> 03:26:09,840
amphitheater.

2207
03:26:09,840 --> 03:26:12,160
Um, there's probably others. Now, I will

2208
03:26:12,160 --> 03:26:13,680
also admit the cons are cutting down

2209
03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:15,520
those trees. Although some people may

2210
03:26:15,520 --> 03:26:18,319
say they don't go under those trees. Um,

2211
03:26:18,319 --> 03:26:20,880
so that's maybe not a con at all. But

2212
03:26:20,880 --> 03:26:23,760
again, when you add it all together, is

2213
03:26:23,760 --> 03:26:26,479
it a betterment for the city? Uh, taking

2214
03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:33,279
emotions out of it. I'm I'm not swayed by the fact that these

2215
03:26:33,279 --> 03:26:35,760
trees were here and you can never cut a

2216
03:26:35,760 --> 03:26:38,000
tree down. I am swayed though by the

2217
03:26:38,000 --> 03:26:39,760
fact that it does appear as though the

2218
03:26:39,760 --> 03:26:41,359
shade

2219
03:26:41,359 --> 03:26:44,560
is very helpful and very wanted and I'm

2220
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:48,080
not sure how I'm trying to grapple with

2221
03:26:48,080 --> 03:26:50,800
the how the go forward strategy meets

2222
03:26:50,800 --> 03:26:53,680
that objective. Um and so I'm struggling

2223
03:26:53,680 --> 03:26:55,040
with that. I'm not necessarily

2224
03:26:55,040 --> 03:26:57,600
struggling with the emotional part about

2225
03:26:57,600 --> 03:27:00,160
it. Um,

2226
03:27:00,160 --> 03:27:02,160
and I I I will kick that off to you or

2227
03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:05,359
you and that's really my the extent of

2228
03:27:05,359 --> 03:27:07,600
my comments. Do you have anything else?

2229
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:09,439
>> Just a question for my colleagues.

2230
03:27:09,439 --> 03:27:10,239
>> Go ahead.

2231
03:27:10,239 --> 03:27:11,760
>> Would

2232
03:27:11,760 --> 03:27:13,200
is there a version tonight that we could

2233
03:27:13,200 --> 03:27:14,720
get if it's if we're at lock jam? I

2234
03:27:14,720 --> 03:27:15,520
don't know if you have three votes or

2235
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:16,640
not, Jamie. I don't know if you got a

2236
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:18,800
second yet. if he did it

2237
03:27:18,800 --> 03:27:22,560
>> to potentially um

2238
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:25,200
to revisit maybe a happy medium or to

2239
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:27,040
maybe sequence

2240
03:27:27,040 --> 03:27:29,120
a different inst uh installation

2241
03:27:29,120 --> 03:27:30,960
schedule on how those get removed and

2242
03:27:30,960 --> 03:27:32,720
versus how they get planted. Anything

2243
03:27:32,720 --> 03:27:35,279
that would maybe feel like we're doing

2244
03:27:35,279 --> 03:27:37,120
something in the middle. Is anybody

2245
03:27:37,120 --> 03:27:40,239
amendable to something like that?

2246
03:27:40,239 --> 03:27:42,000
>> Yeah, I I I certainly talked about

2247
03:27:42,000 --> 03:27:44,160
compromise at some point. Um, I don't

2248
03:27:44,160 --> 03:27:46,479
know what that looks like, but uh I

2249
03:27:46,479 --> 03:27:50,960
think there is a ground that is more

2250
03:27:50,960 --> 03:27:54,960
palatable um to the residents, but I I I

2251
03:27:54,960 --> 03:27:56,319
don't know what that is. And it it

2252
03:27:56,319 --> 03:27:59,680
sounds like uh that's a diff going to be

2253
03:27:59,680 --> 03:28:01,279
difficult to get to, but I I would

2254
03:28:01,279 --> 03:28:03,200
certainly be open to something. I just

2255
03:28:03,200 --> 03:28:05,120
don't know what it looks like. Well, uh,

2256
03:28:05,120 --> 03:28:11,359
if I can interject here for a second, I believe that we need to reook or look

2257
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:13,760
at for the first time the the east side

2258
03:28:13,760 --> 03:28:17,040
of the park. And just to u Mr.

2259
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:19,840
Federico's point that uh we need to look

2260
03:28:19,840 --> 03:28:21,760
at the playground, but if we can do

2261
03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:24,080
other things on the east side that

2262
03:28:24,080 --> 03:28:26,720
increases the canopy and we can move

2263
03:28:26,720 --> 03:28:29,520
some of those open space uses over to

2264
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:31,439
the other side of the park, you know,

2265
03:28:31,439 --> 03:28:33,520
closer. You know, I I' I've been over

2266
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:36,080
there when the yoga uh classes are going

2267
03:28:36,080 --> 03:28:37,520
on. They don't take up that much space.

2268
03:28:37,520 --> 03:28:39,920
In fact, it's less than this room. So,

2269
03:28:39,920 --> 03:28:42,960
there's there's space that we can they

2270
03:28:42,960 --> 03:28:45,040
can use during the day that maybe not

2271
03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:46,800
during an when we have a big event

2272
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:48,239
there, like when we have the carnival,

2273
03:28:48,239 --> 03:28:50,160
but there are things we can do on the

2274
03:28:50,160 --> 03:28:52,479
east side of that park to to mitigate

2275
03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:55,439
the concerns of the constituents. And

2276
03:28:55,439 --> 03:28:57,200
that may be this the easiest solution

2277
03:28:57,200 --> 03:28:59,200
for all of us is that we when we if we

2278
03:28:59,200 --> 03:29:01,600
vote on this we say come back to with us

2279
03:29:01,600 --> 03:29:03,279
on the east side and what does the east

2280
03:29:03,279 --> 03:29:06,640
side look like and we can we can take

2281
03:29:06,640 --> 03:29:09,359
all the input not only from staff but we

2282
03:29:09,359 --> 03:29:11,359
can also from the from the public and

2283
03:29:11,359 --> 03:29:15,520
make this a a win for everybody.

2284
03:29:15,520 --> 03:29:17,520
>> I I will say I love that idea. Actually

2285
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:19,120
on my way up here somebody texted me

2286
03:29:19,120 --> 03:29:21,680
from RHD and was like well can you just

2287
03:29:21,680 --> 03:29:24,239
transplant the trees up here? And I, by

2288
03:29:24,239 --> 03:29:25,600
the way, I don't know if you can. I

2289
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:27,439
don't know like if the trees would live,

2290
03:29:27,439 --> 03:29:34,080
but I mean, it does sound like, hey, the shade and the trees are valuable.

2291
03:29:34,080 --> 03:29:36,319
Could we transplant them closer to the

2292
03:29:36,319 --> 03:29:37,760
jungle gym on the other side? That's

2293
03:29:37,760 --> 03:29:39,200
where all the kids are having birthday

2294
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:41,120
parties anyway. Now, that might be a

2295
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:43,040
dumb idea. Um, I don't know if it's even

2296
03:29:43,040 --> 03:29:45,680
possible, but I do like the idea of

2297
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:49,439
thinking about some unique ways to

2298
03:29:49,439 --> 03:29:51,600
compromise.

2299
03:29:51,600 --> 03:29:53,840
So, we have a motion on the floor. Is

2300
03:29:53,840 --> 03:29:56,800
there a second

2301
03:29:56,800 --> 03:29:58,319
hearing? None. I I'll move it. I'll move

2302
03:29:58,319 --> 03:30:00,399
the second. I'll I'll second the motion

2303
03:30:00,399 --> 03:30:05,040
from from uh from Jamie. So, um

2304
03:30:05,040 --> 03:30:07,040
do we want to discuss it more or do we

2305
03:30:07,040 --> 03:30:11,030
want to want to call the motion?

2306
03:30:11,040 --> 03:30:12,399
» You can call it. I mean, if you want I

2307
03:30:12,399 --> 03:30:13,760
just one more question for for you

2308
03:30:13,760 --> 03:30:14,880
gentlemen. Is that

2309
03:30:14,880 --> 03:30:17,200
>> and I don't know if this is possible to

2310
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:18,960
have a substitution substitute motion

2311
03:30:18,960 --> 03:30:20,880
Jamie something that you might

2312
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:23,920
um support which would be we approve the

2313
03:30:23,920 --> 03:30:27,439
is this rel is this relative to a number

2314
03:30:27,439 --> 03:30:29,520
as far as um is what is the what are the

2315
03:30:29,520 --> 03:30:31,200
thresholds in which we're approving just

2316
03:30:31,200 --> 03:30:32,560
to move forward with the discussions

2317
03:30:32,560 --> 03:30:34,399
with Mary

2318
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:36,880
>> well there is a window in which the work

2319
03:30:36,880 --> 03:30:39,680
would need to be done um if we are going

2320
03:30:39,680 --> 03:30:41,600
to remove trees

2321
03:30:41,600 --> 03:30:44,479
but what I what I would tell you is that

2322
03:30:44,479 --> 03:30:47,359
even if this plan gets built and we see

2323
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:50,479
that we can add trees places or we want

2324
03:30:50,479 --> 03:30:52,640
to add other shade structures, we can

2325
03:30:52,640 --> 03:30:55,359
add them. This doesn't necessarily mean

2326
03:30:55,359 --> 03:30:58,560
that this is the final concept of what

2327
03:30:58,560 --> 03:31:01,520
this park will be. The park can evolve

2328
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:03,760
beyond this concept. You know,

2329
03:31:03,760 --> 03:31:06,720
especially if we see it built and then

2330
03:31:06,720 --> 03:31:08,319
say, "Oh, yeah, we really probably do

2331
03:31:08,319 --> 03:31:09,680
need some more shade over there. We

2332
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:12,319
should put an arbor over here." You

2333
03:31:12,319 --> 03:31:14,960
know, nothing stops this council from

2334
03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:20,800
asking for us to do those things. But these trees would be gone

2335
03:31:20,800 --> 03:31:23,760
>> in this design. Those those the the

2336
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:28,319
stand of trees there is removed.

2337
03:31:28,319 --> 03:31:30,880
>> Do you want a friendly amendment to

2338
03:31:30,880 --> 03:31:34,000
>> add the east side design or

2339
03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:36,399
>> if if that's what the Yeah, I mean I I

2340
03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:38,319
mean it was sort of implicit. I think

2341
03:31:38,319 --> 03:31:39,680
we've

2342
03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:41,680
>> we should make it more explicit. Yes, we

2343
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:43,840
should look. I mean, by the way, we we

2344
03:31:43,840 --> 03:31:45,760
still own this park. And to to Miss

2345
03:31:45,760 --> 03:31:47,439
Render's point,

2346
03:31:47,439 --> 03:31:49,520
>> we do work in all of our parks all the

2347
03:31:49,520 --> 03:31:51,840
time. We add trees, we take trees out,

2348
03:31:51,840 --> 03:31:53,520
we do we change out playground

2349
03:31:53,520 --> 03:31:55,680
equipment, we put in restrooms, we add

2350
03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:57,600
restroom, we do work in our parks. This

2351
03:31:57,600 --> 03:31:59,279
is still our park and we can add to it

2352
03:31:59,279 --> 03:32:01,600
any on any given day inside of the

2353
03:32:01,600 --> 03:32:03,120
budget that they have. But if we want to

2354
03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:05,040
explicitly say and go back and look at

2355
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:06,880
what we can do, please add the

2356
03:32:06,880 --> 03:32:08,960
playground equipment at least until my

2357
03:32:08,960 --> 03:32:11,520
three-year-old is six. Uh I'm going to

2358
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:13,840
hear about that how bad the slide go 15

2359
03:32:13,840 --> 03:32:14,800
I'm telling you.

2360
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:17,040
>> Um but yeah I mean I'm happy if that's

2361
03:32:17,040 --> 03:32:18,560
the the amendment that's absolutely

2362
03:32:18,560 --> 03:32:20,080
friendly to me and I think implicit in

2363
03:32:20,080 --> 03:32:22,080
everything we do but happy to state it

2364
03:32:22,080 --> 03:32:24,160
in the motion direct staff to look at

2365
03:32:24,160 --> 03:32:26,239
all extra things we can do in the park.

2366
03:32:26,239 --> 03:32:28,880
I think tonight this is unique because

2367
03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:30,479
we're approve we're trying to approve

2368
03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:32,239
something specific that someone else is

2369
03:32:32,239 --> 03:32:33,120
paying for, right?

2370
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:34,640
>> And so it's we've got a little less

2371
03:32:34,640 --> 03:32:36,800
leeway than we normally have because

2372
03:32:36,800 --> 03:32:38,239
someone else is paying for

2373
03:32:38,239 --> 03:32:39,359
>> paying for it and we've got to get him

2374
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:41,840
rights to go on there and Mr. City

2375
03:32:41,840 --> 03:32:43,040
attorney is looking at me like I'm

2376
03:32:43,040 --> 03:32:45,040
crazy. Well, no. Actually, I if with

2377
03:32:45,040 --> 03:32:46,880
your permission would like to sort of

2378
03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:49,200
chime in based on your discussion and uh

2379
03:32:49,200 --> 03:32:50,640
council member Federico really just kind

2380
03:32:50,640 --> 03:32:54,080
of hit it on the head that this is just

2381
03:32:54,080 --> 03:32:57,279
an agreement with the hotel for them to

2382
03:32:57,279 --> 03:33:00,479
fund what they're willing to fund as

2383
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:02,800
sort of mitigation for um the work that

2384
03:33:02,800 --> 03:33:06,160
occurred in the park. Um

2385
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:07,680
we're not giving them the park. This

2386
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:09,520
remains your park. And the agreement

2387
03:33:09,520 --> 03:33:11,680
that's part of the staff report makes it

2388
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:13,359
really clear that you know that their

2389
03:33:13,359 --> 03:33:15,439
right to entry is very very limited to

2390
03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:17,359
get this work done and then there's a

2391
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:18,800
warranty period after that that they can

2392
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:20,479
come in and you know clean things up but

2393
03:33:20,479 --> 03:33:24,800
that's it. So um you have

2394
03:33:24,800 --> 03:33:26,880
the the the moving parts that you need

2395
03:33:26,880 --> 03:33:29,760
to deal with tonight um that that have

2396
03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:31,760
some time sensitivity are the fact that

2397
03:33:31,760 --> 03:33:33,680
there's um there are time parameters

2398
03:33:33,680 --> 03:33:36,239
within work with within which work needs

2399
03:33:36,239 --> 03:33:39,040
to get done. Um, the other aspect of

2400
03:33:39,040 --> 03:33:41,520
this is, you know, I haven't any had any

2401
03:33:41,520 --> 03:33:43,359
conversations with the the Marriott, but

2402
03:33:43,359 --> 03:33:45,200
it seems sort of obvious that a business

2403
03:33:45,200 --> 03:33:46,640
has kind of made a business decision

2404
03:33:46,640 --> 03:33:48,479
about how much money they're prepared to

2405
03:33:48,479 --> 03:33:51,520
spend towards doing something. So, an

2406
03:33:51,520 --> 03:33:53,600
option for the council certainly would

2407
03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:57,840
be to create a subcommittee um and say

2408
03:33:57,840 --> 03:34:00,960
that the contract is approved subject to

2409
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:02,880
some Divi design revisions that are

2410
03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:04,399
acceptable to a subcommittee. if you

2411
03:34:04,399 --> 03:34:06,720
want to make that kind of a um

2412
03:34:06,720 --> 03:34:08,479
delegation of authority in order to kind

2413
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:11,200
of keep things moving along. Um I I

2414
03:34:11,200 --> 03:34:13,200
think what I've heard at least is there

2415
03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:14,880
seems to be a lot of unonymity from the

2416
03:34:14,880 --> 03:34:17,680
council that um a design that adds more

2417
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:20,239
shade would be beneficial. So that's

2418
03:34:20,239 --> 03:34:22,640
something that you know you you know a

2419
03:34:22,640 --> 03:34:24,160
subcommittee could go work with the

2420
03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:25,920
Marriott folks and their designers to

2421
03:34:25,920 --> 03:34:27,760
see if you can come up with something.

2422
03:34:27,760 --> 03:34:30,560
Um I mean the city is certainly in a

2423
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:32,239
position if you wanted to at another

2424
03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:33,600
time because it's not on the agenda this

2425
03:34:33,600 --> 03:34:37,200
evening um supplement what's going on um

2426
03:34:37,200 --> 03:34:39,760
with some funding and some other design

2427
03:34:39,760 --> 03:34:42,800
um features if you wanted um but you you

2428
03:34:42,800 --> 03:34:44,239
do have a window I you can see in this

2429
03:34:44,239 --> 03:34:45,600
picture itself you can see there's

2430
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:47,680
construction going on and so the

2431
03:34:47,680 --> 03:34:50,319
Marriott's willingness to um put money

2432
03:34:50,319 --> 03:34:52,720
in towards this project I'm guessing is

2433
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:54,720
somewhat contingent on the fact that

2434
03:34:54,720 --> 03:34:55,600
they're in the middle of their

2435
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:57,760
construction right now. So there there

2436
03:34:57,760 --> 03:35:00,160
are economies of scale for them right

2437
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:02,399
now which may not be there later on if

2438
03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:04,800
you defer this. So, um, if you're

2439
03:35:04,800 --> 03:35:07,040
interested in doing something and trying

2440
03:35:07,040 --> 03:35:09,439
to find a middle ground based on timing

2441
03:35:09,439 --> 03:35:11,520
constraints, if you wanted to create a

2442
03:35:11,520 --> 03:35:14,160
subcommittee to come up with some, you

2443
03:35:14,160 --> 03:35:17,200
know, um, make it all subject to a plan

2444
03:35:17,200 --> 03:35:18,479
that's approved by a subcommittee,

2445
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:19,680
that's certainly something within your

2446
03:35:19,680 --> 03:35:21,439
power. And I think the important thing

2447
03:35:21,439 --> 03:35:23,439
to remember is it's still your park and

2448
03:35:23,439 --> 03:35:25,680
that down the road if you know what the

2449
03:35:25,680 --> 03:35:27,680
merit's willing to pay for now is not

2450
03:35:27,680 --> 03:35:29,439
sufficient to get what you where you

2451
03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:31,520
want to go, you you can come back and do

2452
03:35:31,520 --> 03:35:33,680
something else. Mr. Pagano, if you if

2453
03:35:33,680 --> 03:35:35,600
you offer a a friendly amendment, make

2454
03:35:35,600 --> 03:35:38,000
sure it includes on the east side

2455
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:40,560
playground equipment, improving, I don't

2456
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:42,479
care about net number total, same number

2457
03:35:42,479 --> 03:35:43,840
of picnic benches, but better

2458
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:45,200
improvements on the picnic benches,

2459
03:35:45,200 --> 03:35:49,040
improvements on the grills, um uh and

2460
03:35:49,040 --> 03:35:50,960
yes, direction to to work on the east

2461
03:35:50,960 --> 03:35:52,560
side, but I'm open to hearing certainly

2462
03:35:52,560 --> 03:35:54,560
a friendly amendment. Or you can make

2463
03:35:54,560 --> 03:35:56,319
>> I was going to make a substitute motion

2464
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:58,479
which would be simply that I like the

2465
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:00,720
city attorney's idea is you guys

2466
03:36:00,720 --> 03:36:02,239
understand perspective of the council

2467
03:36:02,239 --> 03:36:03,520
the conversation we're having tonight

2468
03:36:03,520 --> 03:36:05,760
maybe a subcommittee of

2469
03:36:05,760 --> 03:36:08,880
>> mayor Gabbard and and Mr. Federico um as

2470
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:10,640
a subcommittee to go take in the

2471
03:36:10,640 --> 03:36:13,200
consideration and and work to maybe push

2472
03:36:13,200 --> 03:36:15,279
that forward if if anybody else would

2473
03:36:15,279 --> 03:36:20,070
support that.

2474
03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:23,120
» Yeah, I I would support that. I'm just

2475
03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:24,640
um

2476
03:36:24,640 --> 03:36:27,439
you know it doesn't have to be the mayor

2477
03:36:27,439 --> 03:36:28,960
and councilman Ferring unless they want

2478
03:36:28,960 --> 03:36:31,520
to do it that would be fine. Um I I

2479
03:36:31,520 --> 03:36:33,520
would raise my hand to it if if if

2480
03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:35,920
somebody needed that. I don't know if

2481
03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:38,399
Mike Frost or I I it I think we should

2482
03:36:38,399 --> 03:36:39,840
have a subcommittee. I don't know who

2483
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:42,319
exactly that should be, but if if if

2484
03:36:42,319 --> 03:36:44,000
Mayor Gabard and Councilman Federico

2485
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:45,840
want to do it, then that would be fine,

2486
03:36:45,840 --> 03:36:48,800
too. My concern with this subcommittee

2487
03:36:48,800 --> 03:36:53,120
is that it it stalls

2488
03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:55,120
getting the work on the east or on the

2489
03:36:55,120 --> 03:36:57,439
west side done

2490
03:36:57,439 --> 03:37:01,439
anytime soon and

2491
03:37:01,439 --> 03:37:03,600
that's that's problematic. I think

2492
03:37:03,600 --> 03:37:05,040
there's if we want to have a

2493
03:37:05,040 --> 03:37:06,880
subcommittee that looks at the east side

2494
03:37:06,880 --> 03:37:09,120
and takes in all the public uh comments

2495
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:11,680
and we want to have workshops, whatever

2496
03:37:11,680 --> 03:37:14,160
we want to do, I I get it. I just think

2497
03:37:14,160 --> 03:37:16,880
if we're going to at least have this

2498
03:37:16,880 --> 03:37:21,120
portion done as proposed, let's do it.

2499
03:37:21,120 --> 03:37:23,439
And then if we after that's done, if we

2500
03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:24,880
want to go back and say, "Hey, look,

2501
03:37:24,880 --> 03:37:26,800
maybe this not working correctly, we

2502
03:37:26,800 --> 03:37:28,640
want to work change this on the west

2503
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:30,399
side, we'll have all the opportunity in

2504
03:37:30,399 --> 03:37:33,040
the world to do that after the fact."

2505
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:34,640
>> Yeah. I think what I think at this point

2506
03:37:34,640 --> 03:37:36,239
I I don't know, Mr. City Attorney, if he

2507
03:37:36,239 --> 03:37:37,840
has to restate his motion, but you had a

2508
03:37:37,840 --> 03:37:39,279
second. We never voted. You never called

2509
03:37:39,279 --> 03:37:42,080
a vote on it. Um I I think we're not

2510
03:37:42,080 --> 03:37:43,200
going to get there on the subcommittee

2511
03:37:43,200 --> 03:37:45,520
or on my substitute motion. So I would

2512
03:37:45,520 --> 03:37:48,560
just say if whatever unless Mr. Frost or

2513
03:37:48,560 --> 03:37:51,200
Mr. Velar, Mr. Federico has a has more

2514
03:37:51,200 --> 03:37:53,279
to say.

2515
03:37:53,279 --> 03:37:55,200
>> Go ahead, Mr. Fedrico.

2516
03:37:55,200 --> 03:37:58,000
>> Uh a question to Mr. Pagano. So is your

2517
03:37:58,000 --> 03:38:00,880
uh substitute motion to or would would

2518
03:38:00,880 --> 03:38:04,080
be to approve the proposal tonight and

2519
03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:05,520
then create a subcommittee to look at

2520
03:38:05,520 --> 03:38:07,760
other improvements to the park.

2521
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:09,120
>> That's the part that I'm hung up on. I

2522
03:38:09,120 --> 03:38:11,120
don't want to say approve the proposal

2523
03:38:11,120 --> 03:38:13,600
tonight if it includes the immediate

2524
03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:15,120
removal of those trees while the before

2525
03:38:15,120 --> 03:38:17,920
the subcommittee meets. I think and

2526
03:38:17,920 --> 03:38:19,279
understand I could be on an island on

2527
03:38:19,279 --> 03:38:20,560
this one and I'm okay with that.

2528
03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:23,600
>> Yeah, I'm going to Mr. uh you made the

2529
03:38:23,600 --> 03:38:25,040
second, but Mr. Mayor, if you wouldn't

2530
03:38:25,040 --> 03:38:26,960
mind, I'm going to amend my motion.

2531
03:38:26,960 --> 03:38:28,720
>> Okay.

2532
03:38:28,720 --> 03:38:31,439
>> Um to uh approve the staff's recommended

2533
03:38:31,439 --> 03:38:33,040
action and create a subcommittee to look

2534
03:38:33,040 --> 03:38:34,479
at other improvements we can make to

2535
03:38:34,479 --> 03:38:36,640
Lanner Bay Park

2536
03:38:36,640 --> 03:38:38,800
at large.

2537
03:38:38,800 --> 03:38:39,359
Yeah.

2538
03:38:39,359 --> 03:38:40,880
>> Okay. Uh,

2539
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:42,960
>> west of the west of the botchi courts,

2540
03:38:42,960 --> 03:38:44,239
east of the

2541
03:38:44,239 --> 03:38:44,560
>> Okay.

2542
03:38:44,560 --> 03:38:47,520
>> sidewalk in the amphitheater

2543
03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:48,880
>> to include the trail going down to

2544
03:38:48,880 --> 03:38:51,040
Golden Lantern.

2545
03:38:51,040 --> 03:38:53,439
>> So

2546
03:38:53,439 --> 03:38:56,560
I Yeah, I'll accept the the amended the

2547
03:38:56,560 --> 03:39:00,319
amended motion and I'll second that. So

2548
03:39:00,319 --> 03:39:02,319
with that,

2549
03:39:02,319 --> 03:39:05,040
we'll call the vote. All those in favor?

2550
03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:05,520
I

2551
03:39:05,520 --> 03:39:07,680
>> I opposed.

2552
03:39:07,680 --> 03:39:09,279
>> Nay.

2553
03:39:09,279 --> 03:39:14,870
>> Three nays. All right.

2554
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:16,880
» Is there another opportunity to ch

2555
03:39:16,880 --> 03:39:18,479
>> You can chomp all you want.

2556
03:39:18,479 --> 03:39:18,960
>> The mayor.

2557
03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:19,920
>> Yeah.

2558
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:20,720
Exactly.

2559
03:39:20,720 --> 03:39:22,479
>> Councilman, I'd like to pull on the

2560
03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:26,399
string about um a subcommittee that

2561
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:29,520
isn't immediately going to going to cut

2562
03:39:29,520 --> 03:39:31,520
down those trees. Although it may happen

2563
03:39:31,520 --> 03:39:34,720
and it may be inevitable, but I don't I

2564
03:39:34,720 --> 03:39:38,000
don't think we need to let a time crunch

2565
03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:41,040
force us into something that we don't

2566
03:39:41,040 --> 03:39:43,279
have time to really digest. I get it. It

2567
03:39:43,279 --> 03:39:44,960
might push things back and it might

2568
03:39:44,960 --> 03:39:49,200
delay things, but I I I'm I'm willing to live with that, but I would like to

2569
03:39:49,200 --> 03:39:51,359
kind of pull on what you were talking

2570
03:39:51,359 --> 03:39:53,520
about there with a subcommittee that uh

2571
03:39:53,520 --> 03:39:56,080
isn't immediately going to going to

2572
03:39:56,080 --> 03:39:57,920
destroy those trees. What were what were

2573
03:39:57,920 --> 03:40:00,800
your thoughts?

2574
03:40:00,800 --> 03:40:03,680
>> I mean, initially my thoughts were um

2575
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:05,120
having the two gentlemen that I think

2576
03:40:05,120 --> 03:40:06,479
well including from pretty much

2577
03:40:06,479 --> 03:40:07,680
everybody up here is versed in

2578
03:40:07,680 --> 03:40:09,760
construction, but I think having two

2579
03:40:09,760 --> 03:40:12,319
guys that are efficient, quick, have the

2580
03:40:12,319 --> 03:40:13,840
latitude and time to meet with the

2581
03:40:13,840 --> 03:40:15,840
contractors or whomever with city staff

2582
03:40:15,840 --> 03:40:17,760
to figure out another option, an

2583
03:40:17,760 --> 03:40:19,600
alternative. That was where my mind was

2584
03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:22,800
thinking. But I realized that in nature

2585
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:28,160
my my idea does not um eradicate the

2586
03:40:28,160 --> 03:40:31,040
removal of the trees. So I think that's

2587
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:34,160
where the log jam is.

2588
03:40:34,160 --> 03:40:35,920
>> Yeah. Could I mean just big picture,

2589
03:40:35,920 --> 03:40:37,920
could we do try an iterative process? I

2590
03:40:37,920 --> 03:40:39,520
do like the whole concept of getting

2591
03:40:39,520 --> 03:40:42,080
this done, but I'm going to go back to

2592
03:40:42,080 --> 03:40:43,920
probably my dumb idea. Is it really not

2593
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:47,279
practical to move those? because appares

2594
03:40:47,279 --> 03:40:50,880
where the garden's going to be. Um,

2595
03:40:50,880 --> 03:40:53,680
couldn't we almost accomplish everyone's

2596
03:40:53,680 --> 03:40:56,239
goals by keeping the trees put providing

2597
03:40:56,239 --> 03:40:58,479
more shade over by the playground, but

2598
03:40:58,479 --> 03:41:01,040
then also doing this? Um, I'd like to

2599
03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:02,640
like evaluate if that's even a

2600
03:41:02,640 --> 03:41:05,040
possibility. I mean,

2601
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:06,000
>> not even close.

2602
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:07,680
>> Well, anything's possible. Just how much

2603
03:41:07,680 --> 03:41:09,439
money you got.

2604
03:41:09,439 --> 03:41:10,880
>> Well, yeah. How much money does

2605
03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:13,439
everybody have? Yeah, I agree. Right. I

2606
03:41:13,439 --> 03:41:17,680
mean, I think we should quickly evaluate those

2607
03:41:17,680 --> 03:41:21,429
things.

2608
03:41:21,439 --> 03:41:27,830
» So, I would be okay with your proposal

2609
03:41:27,840 --> 03:41:30,399
» if you and again, tell me to be quiet if

2610
03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:31,680
you don't want me interfering with your

2611
03:41:31,680 --> 03:41:33,439
conversation here, but if you want to be

2612
03:41:33,439 --> 03:41:36,640
able to take advantage of the money

2613
03:41:36,640 --> 03:41:38,960
that's being offered for improvements,

2614
03:41:38,960 --> 03:41:42,399
you've got to act quickly. Um the that

2615
03:41:42,399 --> 03:41:44,560
doesn't mean you have to do this though.

2616
03:41:44,560 --> 03:41:48,160
And so my thought process was if you

2617
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,760
create a subcommittee that can act

2618
03:41:49,760 --> 03:41:52,800
quickly and you approve the contract

2619
03:41:52,800 --> 03:41:57,279
tonight subject to um the subcommittee

2620
03:41:57,279 --> 03:41:58,239
um you know delegating to the

2621
03:41:58,239 --> 03:41:59,680
subcommittee approval of some final

2622
03:41:59,680 --> 03:42:02,080
plans. It gives you the opportunity to

2623
03:42:02,080 --> 03:42:05,279
talk to um whoever I'm not even sure who

2624
03:42:05,279 --> 03:42:06,640
it would be the designer the contractor.

2625
03:42:06,640 --> 03:42:08,479
I'm not sure who does that, but to talk

2626
03:42:08,479 --> 03:42:10,720
to them about all these different ideas

2627
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:12,239
you've been talking about maybe

2628
03:42:12,239 --> 03:42:13,520
different types of trees that might

2629
03:42:13,520 --> 03:42:16,239
provide more shade, whether you can save

2630
03:42:16,239 --> 03:42:17,279
some of the trees and move them around.

2631
03:42:17,279 --> 03:42:18,399
I mean, it gives you the opportunity to

2632
03:42:18,399 --> 03:42:21,120
have those discussions and if the

2633
03:42:21,120 --> 03:42:23,520
subcommittee is not willing to approve

2634
03:42:23,520 --> 03:42:25,520
the plans, you know, then we can come

2635
03:42:25,520 --> 03:42:27,520
back on the 20th and talk about it

2636
03:42:27,520 --> 03:42:30,080
again. Um

2637
03:42:30,080 --> 03:42:33,840
but um you know I'm trying to see if I

2638
03:42:33,840 --> 03:42:35,680
can't help you find a middle ground that

2639
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:37,279
gives you the best of all worlds where

2640
03:42:37,279 --> 03:42:38,399
you're getting take advantage of the

2641
03:42:38,399 --> 03:42:41,120
money and and recognizing if you know

2642
03:42:41,120 --> 03:42:43,439
that's that may just be something that

2643
03:42:43,439 --> 03:42:44,160
doesn't happen that

2644
03:42:44,160 --> 03:42:46,399
>> is is it possible to go back to the

2645
03:42:46,399 --> 03:42:48,160
mayor and say yes council would like to

2646
03:42:48,160 --> 03:42:49,600
take advantage of the funding. However,

2647
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:51,760
it's contingent on them agreeing to

2648
03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:53,840
design specifications. They're in in

2649
03:42:53,840 --> 03:42:55,760
particular, they're hung up on the

2650
03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:57,120
eradication of all these trees and not

2651
03:42:57,120 --> 03:43:01,359
providing different andor

2652
03:43:01,359 --> 03:43:03,920
shade and or keeping as many as possible

2653
03:43:03,920 --> 03:43:06,319
or that's kind of what I'm saying is

2654
03:43:06,319 --> 03:43:08,080
that let's have them come up with some

2655
03:43:08,080 --> 03:43:09,840
alternative plans and see if it is

2656
03:43:09,840 --> 03:43:11,279
something that a subcommittee could say,

2657
03:43:11,279 --> 03:43:13,040
"Yeah, okay, this works and we think

2658
03:43:13,040 --> 03:43:16,080
it'll make the council happy." Um, and

2659
03:43:16,080 --> 03:43:17,520
you know, the my thought on the

2660
03:43:17,520 --> 03:43:19,680
subcommittee is simply just to give you

2661
03:43:19,680 --> 03:43:22,560
nimleness so you can move this quickly.

2662
03:43:22,560 --> 03:43:23,040
But I was,

2663
03:43:23,040 --> 03:43:24,479
>> Mr. Mayor, I haven't. No, sorry.

2664
03:43:24,479 --> 03:43:27,439
>> I just a data point for everybody is

2665
03:43:27,439 --> 03:43:29,600
when I had my tour, they were telling me

2666
03:43:29,600 --> 03:43:32,080
that by end of the year, they'll be done

2667
03:43:32,080 --> 03:43:35,520
and open. So, our window, we got a very

2668
03:43:35,520 --> 03:43:36,960
small window.

2669
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:38,880
>> So, I have a motion. I'd like to make a

2670
03:43:38,880 --> 03:43:41,840
motion to postpone this vote until the

2671
03:43:41,840 --> 03:43:43,439
next city council meeting. And I'd like

2672
03:43:43,439 --> 03:43:46,160
to assign uh Councilman Pagano and Mayor

2673
03:43:46,160 --> 03:43:49,760
Prom uh Frost to a subcommittee to look

2674
03:43:49,760 --> 03:43:53,520
into alternatives to saving as many of

2675
03:43:53,520 --> 03:43:55,840
those trees as possible. That makes

2676
03:43:55,840 --> 03:43:57,199
sense. And if it doesn't make sense to

2677
03:43:57,199 --> 03:43:58,479
you guys, then it won't make sense to

2678
03:43:58,479 --> 03:44:00,640
us. Tr totally trust your judgments. So

2679
03:44:00,640 --> 03:44:01,840
that means you got to meet with meet

2680
03:44:01,840 --> 03:44:04,160
with the Marriott, I would assume, in

2681
03:44:04,160 --> 03:44:06,319
the next week and then come back at our

2682
03:44:06,319 --> 03:44:09,040
next council meeting and let us know

2683
03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:10,800
what you've got and we'll we'll we'll

2684
03:44:10,800 --> 03:44:16,160
take it from there. I I do agree that we need to take a little bit of time to

2685
03:44:16,160 --> 03:44:18,720
really dig into this uh to make sure

2686
03:44:18,720 --> 03:44:21,600
that we've unturned, you know, we we we

2687
03:44:21,600 --> 03:44:24,160
unturned every stone and and uh we tried

2688
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:26,319
what we can do and and got to do what

2689
03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:28,319
makes sense.

2690
03:44:28,319 --> 03:44:30,399
That's my motion is to postpone this

2691
03:44:30,399 --> 03:44:32,080
vote for until the next council and

2692
03:44:32,080 --> 03:44:37,520
assign uh two uh committee members.

2693
03:44:37,520 --> 03:44:40,720
>> It's two weeks.

2694
03:44:40,720 --> 03:44:41,760
So you really got a week

2695
03:44:41,760 --> 03:44:43,680
>> myself, but I'm not a at a conference

2696
03:44:43,680 --> 03:44:44,319
where I would do it.

2697
03:44:44,319 --> 03:44:46,080
>> So you got a week because you got to get

2698
03:44:46,080 --> 03:44:54,469
it noticed by next Thursday.

2699
03:44:54,479 --> 03:44:59,590
» There's a motion. I'm just

2700
03:44:59,600 --> 03:45:01,120
» I'm sorry. I'm looking at my calendar.

2701
03:45:01,120 --> 03:45:04,640
>> Trying to read your body to see

2702
03:45:04,640 --> 03:45:05,920
pulling up my calendar.

2703
03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:12,790
>> Welcome to democracy, folks.

2704
03:45:12,800 --> 03:45:14,000
While they're doing it, I'm going to

2705
03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:16,960
make another comment. Uh, I hope we keep

2706
03:45:16,960 --> 03:45:18,720
this in perspective. We live in such a

2707
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:21,120
fantastic city that the biggest issue we

2708
03:45:21,120 --> 03:45:23,760
have is saving trees out of out of park

2709
03:45:23,760 --> 03:45:25,279
that's already the most beautiful park

2710
03:45:25,279 --> 03:45:27,199
in America. Like, there's cities out

2711
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:28,720
there that would love to have that park.

2712
03:45:28,720 --> 03:45:30,479
So, we got to keep that in perspective.

2713
03:45:30,479 --> 03:45:32,319
Like, we're trying to make a great park

2714
03:45:32,319 --> 03:45:36,160
into an even better park. So, that's our

2715
03:45:36,160 --> 03:45:37,600
biggest problem tonight. So, it's a it's

2716
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:44,150
a great problem to have.

2717
03:45:44,160 --> 03:45:45,600
» Yeah. I mean, as long as we don't have

2718
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:48,960
too many meetings, that's fine.

2719
03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:50,800
>> I'm I'm I'm going to substitute myself

2720
03:45:50,800 --> 03:45:52,800
with either Mr. Gabbard or Mr. Federico

2721
03:45:52,800 --> 03:45:54,399
just to keep it nimble and move quickly.

2722
03:45:54,399 --> 03:45:56,000
I don't want to inhibit anything to move

2723
03:45:56,000 --> 03:45:57,680
forward.

2724
03:45:57,680 --> 03:46:00,239
>> I I appreciate that. I just want in all

2725
03:46:00,239 --> 03:46:02,000
fairness, I think the tree should go

2726
03:46:02,000 --> 03:46:03,439
because I like the improvements. I don't

2727
03:46:03,439 --> 03:46:04,720
think it's fair for me to be there.

2728
03:46:04,720 --> 03:46:06,960
Okay. Uh, and I I I'm not going to

2729
03:46:06,960 --> 03:46:08,399
support the motion only because and I

2730
03:46:08,399 --> 03:46:09,760
don't think it gets any easier. This

2731
03:46:09,760 --> 03:46:12,160
band-aid will never be easy to rip off.

2732
03:46:12,160 --> 03:46:14,479
It will it will always hurt. There are

2733
03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:16,160
going to be people who don't like it. I

2734
03:46:16,160 --> 03:46:19,520
think in 20 years that park will look so

2735
03:46:19,520 --> 03:46:21,359
much better if we do this. So, I I

2736
03:46:21,359 --> 03:46:23,279
appreciate very much, Mr. Pagano, but I

2737
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:24,399
would rather not serve on that

2738
03:46:24,399 --> 03:46:25,120
subcommittee.

2739
03:46:25,120 --> 03:46:31,429
>> Yep.

2740
03:46:31,439 --> 03:46:38,710
» This week is hell.

2741
03:46:38,720 --> 03:46:40,319
I mean, somebody's got to serve on the

2742
03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:41,840
subcommittee. I mean, all I'm going to

2743
03:46:41,840 --> 03:46:43,439
do is go ask them and say, "Hey, what's

2744
03:46:43,439 --> 03:46:45,279
the opportunity of

2745
03:46:45,279 --> 03:46:47,120
>> I'm happy to do it with you. If that'll

2746
03:46:47,120 --> 03:46:48,560
be supported by the opportunity."

2747
03:46:48,560 --> 03:46:49,680
>> It's not that. It's just I just don't

2748
03:46:49,680 --> 03:46:51,520
have the time until next Tuesday,

2749
03:46:51,520 --> 03:46:52,160
Wednesday.

2750
03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:52,880
>> Sure. I'll do it.

2751
03:46:52,880 --> 03:46:54,319
>> I'd have to It'd have to be this next

2752
03:46:54,319 --> 03:46:56,560
week uh for me, Frost, then I'm out.

2753
03:46:56,560 --> 03:46:59,600
>> Sure. Yeah.

2754
03:46:59,600 --> 03:47:01,920
>> Is there a second? I guess.

2755
03:47:01,920 --> 03:47:03,199
>> Second.

2756
03:47:03,199 --> 03:47:05,199
Or was that me?

2757
03:47:05,199 --> 03:47:06,800
>> I think it was Valar.

2758
03:47:06,800 --> 03:47:11,110
>> I made the motion. Second.

2759
03:47:11,120 --> 03:47:12,640
» Yeah, I'll second it. Everybody make

2760
03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:13,920
wants to make the motion for the

2761
03:47:13,920 --> 03:47:15,439
subcommittee. They want to participate

2762
03:47:15,439 --> 03:47:15,920
on it.

2763
03:47:15,920 --> 03:47:16,880
>> All right.

2764
03:47:16,880 --> 03:47:18,640
>> Well, all those in favor

2765
03:47:18,640 --> 03:47:20,239
>> I

2766
03:47:20,239 --> 03:47:22,239
nays.

2767
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:26,319
>> Nay. I I agree with Mr. Federico in that

2768
03:47:26,319 --> 03:47:28,239
I I think we're going to end up having

2769
03:47:28,239 --> 03:47:30,640
to take these trees out anyway. It's

2770
03:47:30,640 --> 03:47:33,840
just it we can put other canopies up

2771
03:47:33,840 --> 03:47:36,720
other places not only within the park

2772
03:47:36,720 --> 03:47:40,239
but within Dana Point at large that um

2773
03:47:40,239 --> 03:47:42,160
will satisfy

2774
03:47:42,160 --> 03:47:45,199
the shade issue. We need the open space

2775
03:47:45,199 --> 03:47:47,359
up there for for events. We need the

2776
03:47:47,359 --> 03:47:48,960
open space up there for all of the

2777
03:47:48,960 --> 03:47:50,160
educational stuff that we're trying to

2778
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:53,279
do. Um so I I think we're going to end

2779
03:47:53,279 --> 03:47:55,359
up in the same place. I understand why

2780
03:47:55,359 --> 03:47:57,600
we're doing what we're doing, but I I

2781
03:47:57,600 --> 03:47:59,840
just it's

2782
03:47:59,840 --> 03:48:01,760
We're just we got to rip the band-aid

2783
03:48:01,760 --> 03:48:03,120
off at some point as he said.

2784
03:48:03,120 --> 03:48:04,960
>> I can I can assure you, Mr. Mayor, Mr.

2785
03:48:04,960 --> 03:48:06,399
Feder Rico, I'm not trying to do this to

2786
03:48:06,399 --> 03:48:08,560
increase like kick the can. If we were

2787
03:48:08,560 --> 03:48:10,880
told very soberly that this is the best

2788
03:48:10,880 --> 03:48:12,960
way to do it, I will I will support it

2789
03:48:12,960 --> 03:48:15,520
next meeting.

2790
03:48:15,520 --> 03:48:18,880
With that, so

2791
03:48:18,880 --> 03:48:19,199
got it.

2792
03:48:19,199 --> 03:48:21,040
>> We we've got the motion. So we will move

2793
03:48:21,040 --> 03:48:23,520
on to new business.

2794
03:48:23,520 --> 03:48:25,279
Do you have everything, Kelly? You got

2795
03:48:25,279 --> 03:48:28,800
everything you need? Okay.

2796
03:48:28,800 --> 03:48:32,640
Financial Review Committee Recruitment.

2797
03:48:32,640 --> 03:48:33,920
Madame Clerk.

2798
03:48:33,920 --> 03:48:38,479
>> Thank you, sir. Heidi Riggs currently

2799
03:48:38,479 --> 03:48:40,640
um appointed member of the FI is

2800
03:48:40,640 --> 03:48:43,520
currently the council appointed member

2801
03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:46,080
of the financial review committee. Since

2802
03:48:46,080 --> 03:48:48,880
she was appointed to city council on

2803
03:48:48,880 --> 03:48:51,199
August 17th by the council vote, she

2804
03:48:51,199 --> 03:48:53,040
will no longer be able to serve on the

2805
03:48:53,040 --> 03:48:55,920
financial review committee in that

2806
03:48:55,920 --> 03:48:58,000
capacity once she begins her council

2807
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:00,000
term in December.

2808
03:49:00,000 --> 03:49:02,880
staff recommends opening a 30-day

2809
03:49:02,880 --> 03:49:04,800
recruitment for a new member of the

2810
03:49:04,800 --> 03:49:08,160
financial review committee and creating

2811
03:49:08,160 --> 03:49:11,279
a task force, another subcommittee for

2812
03:49:11,279 --> 03:49:14,160
you, um, of two council members to

2813
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:15,920
interview applicants and provide

2814
03:49:15,920 --> 03:49:18,960
recommendation of the applicant of the

2815
03:49:18,960 --> 03:49:20,720
appointment to the financial review

2816
03:49:20,720 --> 03:49:22,800
committee at the December 1st city

2817
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:24,880
council meeting.

2818
03:49:24,880 --> 03:49:26,399
Please let me know if you have any

2819
03:49:26,399 --> 03:49:28,800
questions.

2820
03:49:28,800 --> 03:49:30,479
Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Mayor, question in

2821
03:49:30,479 --> 03:49:33,199
reference to that. Just for cohesion, I

2822
03:49:33,199 --> 03:49:34,640
would recommend that it be me and Mayor

2823
03:49:34,640 --> 03:49:36,640
Prom Frost that do the recruitment and

2824
03:49:36,640 --> 03:49:37,199
interviews.

2825
03:49:37,199 --> 03:49:39,359
>> Well, you're reading my mind, dude.

2826
03:49:39,359 --> 03:49:40,720
>> I'm just trying to do

2827
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:43,520
>> Do we have any uh public comments on the

2828
03:49:43,520 --> 03:49:43,840
item?

2829
03:49:43,840 --> 03:49:44,479
>> No, sir.

2830
03:49:44,479 --> 03:49:46,000
>> All right. With that, council

2831
03:49:46,000 --> 03:49:48,640
discussion. Anyone?

2832
03:49:48,640 --> 03:49:50,560
>> I think Mr. Gano made a motion.

2833
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:53,279
>> Second.

2834
03:49:53,279 --> 03:49:53,920
I

2835
03:49:53,920 --> 03:49:56,399
>> I

2836
03:49:56,399 --> 03:49:58,160
>> We'll move on

2837
03:49:58,160 --> 03:50:02,080
>> to item 10. The fiscal year 26 fourth

2838
03:50:02,080 --> 03:50:06,479
quarter financial report proposed FY2027

2839
03:50:06,479 --> 03:50:09,120
budget adjustments, salary ranges and

2840
03:50:09,120 --> 03:50:11,359
health plans for respected or

2841
03:50:11,359 --> 03:50:14,399
represented and non-represented employee

2842
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:16,319
classifications.

2843
03:50:16,319 --> 03:50:18,239
Mr. Smith,

2844
03:50:18,239 --> 03:50:19,439
welcome to the DAS.

2845
03:50:19,439 --> 03:50:22,000
>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, City Council.

2846
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:24,160
Uh like you said, this item covers a few

2847
03:50:24,160 --> 03:50:26,960
different topics uh tonight. The uh

2848
03:50:26,960 --> 03:50:29,439
unudited fiscal year 26 fourth quarter

2849
03:50:29,439 --> 03:50:32,239
results and year-end results. Uh the use

2850
03:50:32,239 --> 03:50:34,880
of excess fiscal year 26 uh fund

2851
03:50:34,880 --> 03:50:37,760
balance. Uh fiscical year 27 budget

2852
03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:40,239
adjustments and carryovers and uh

2853
03:50:40,239 --> 03:50:41,920
readoption of the salary range and

2854
03:50:41,920 --> 03:50:44,399
health allowance resolutions uh with the

2855
03:50:44,399 --> 03:50:47,520
required oral report. Uh so first with

2856
03:50:47,520 --> 03:50:50,239
the fiscal year uh 26 year-end results

2857
03:50:50,239 --> 03:50:52,720
fourth quarter results uh the general

2858
03:50:52,720 --> 03:50:56,560
fund revenue uh totaled 57.6 million in

2859
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:59,120
fiscal year 26 uh which was 4 million

2860
03:50:59,120 --> 03:51:02,800
above the amended budget uh and up 3.7

2861
03:51:02,800 --> 03:51:05,680
million from the prior fiscal year. Uh

2862
03:51:05,680 --> 03:51:08,560
this was led uh primarily from gains in

2863
03:51:08,560 --> 03:51:10,960
toot property tax and charges from

2864
03:51:10,960 --> 03:51:14,479
services. Uh expenditures uh excluding

2865
03:51:14,479 --> 03:51:17,359
transfers was 48.2 2 million which was

2866
03:51:17,359 --> 03:51:21,040
3.8 million under budget uh and up 1

2867
03:51:21,040 --> 03:51:23,920
million over the previous fiscal year.

2868
03:51:23,920 --> 03:51:26,319
Uh that led to a ending general fund

2869
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:30,560
balance of 22.6 million. Uh this was

2870
03:51:30,560 --> 03:51:32,560
split up between the economic stability

2871
03:51:32,560 --> 03:51:34,560
and extreme event reserves which are

2872
03:51:34,560 --> 03:51:38,640
100% funded uh per current city policy

2873
03:51:38,640 --> 03:51:40,720
and unassigned fund balance of 12

2874
03:51:40,720 --> 03:51:43,120
million which exceeds the 7% policy

2875
03:51:43,120 --> 03:51:47,279
maximum target. uh producing an 8.3

2876
03:51:47,279 --> 03:51:50,399
million in excess fund balance. So what

2877
03:51:50,399 --> 03:51:52,960
do we do with the excess fund balance?

2878
03:51:52,960 --> 03:51:55,120
Consistent with past city practice and

2879
03:51:55,120 --> 03:51:57,680
general best practices, all of this is

2880
03:51:57,680 --> 03:51:59,680
directed, all of this excess funds are

2881
03:51:59,680 --> 03:52:02,960
directed to one-time uses and not

2882
03:52:02,960 --> 03:52:04,960
ongoing operations.

2883
03:52:04,960 --> 03:52:07,760
uh extreme event reserves uh staff is

2884
03:52:07,760 --> 03:52:09,600
recommending to put three a little over

2885
03:52:09,600 --> 03:52:12,800
three million um into this reserve as an

2886
03:52:12,800 --> 03:52:15,680
interim placeholder while we re-examine

2887
03:52:15,680 --> 03:52:18,479
the reserve policy. Uh I think there's a

2888
03:52:18,479 --> 03:52:20,080
few areas that we could probably improve

2889
03:52:20,080 --> 03:52:22,640
the policy uh to make the the fiscal

2890
03:52:22,640 --> 03:52:25,439
standing a little bit stronger. Uh we're

2891
03:52:25,439 --> 03:52:27,279
recommending putting an additional 4% of

2892
03:52:27,279 --> 03:52:29,600
unto unassigned fund balance which

2893
03:52:29,600 --> 03:52:32,720
equals about $2 million. Uh we have

2894
03:52:32,720 --> 03:52:35,120
about 1.34 million to go to capital

2895
03:52:35,120 --> 03:52:37,520
improvement program and 1 million to

2896
03:52:37,520 --> 03:52:40,319
facilities fund uh for some uh needed

2897
03:52:40,319 --> 03:52:42,640
park improvements throughout the city.

2898
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:45,120
Uh we have fiscical year 26 general fund

2899
03:52:45,120 --> 03:52:47,760
carryovers of 629,000

2900
03:52:47,760 --> 03:52:50,239
uh that will move into fiscal year 27

2901
03:52:50,239 --> 03:52:52,960
and then uh 231,000 to bring the

2902
03:52:52,960 --> 03:52:56,160
economic stability and unassigned uh

2903
03:52:56,160 --> 03:52:59,600
balances to the fiscical year 27 levels.

2904
03:52:59,600 --> 03:53:01,760
Uh in the coming weeks, staff will do a

2905
03:53:01,760 --> 03:53:04,319
comprehensive riskbased update to the

2906
03:53:04,319 --> 03:53:07,199
reserve policy uh which was last revised

2907
03:53:07,199 --> 03:53:10,479
in 2022. Uh and that will go to the

2908
03:53:10,479 --> 03:53:12,800
financial review committee later this

2909
03:53:12,800 --> 03:53:14,640
month and then on to council in

2910
03:53:14,640 --> 03:53:16,479
November.

2911
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:18,319
Uh for the fiscal year 27 budget

2912
03:53:18,319 --> 03:53:21,760
amendments, uh toot revenue increased

2913
03:53:21,760 --> 03:53:25,359
500,000 is projected to increase 500,000

2914
03:53:25,359 --> 03:53:28,319
um over over what was originally uh

2915
03:53:28,319 --> 03:53:30,560
budgeted. Um and this reflects fiscal

2916
03:53:30,560 --> 03:53:33,760
year 26 actual collections. Uh we have

2917
03:53:33,760 --> 03:53:36,960
carryovers of 670,000

2918
03:53:36,960 --> 03:53:39,359
um of which 629 belongs to the general

2919
03:53:39,359 --> 03:53:40,880
fund and this is for contracts and

2920
03:53:40,880 --> 03:53:43,840
purchase orders that are in progress. Uh

2921
03:53:43,840 --> 03:53:46,720
we have facility fund adjustments of 1.6

2922
03:53:46,720 --> 03:53:49,279
million for carryovers and new projects

2923
03:53:49,279 --> 03:53:51,040
and the net result would have a general

2924
03:53:51,040 --> 03:53:53,840
fund ending fund balance um projected at

2925
03:53:53,840 --> 03:53:56,319
19.8 million after the current fiscal

2926
03:53:56,319 --> 03:53:58,880
year in fiscal year 27.

2927
03:53:58,880 --> 03:54:00,880
Uh moving on to the salary and health

2928
03:54:00,880 --> 03:54:03,439
plan resolutions. Uh these resolutions

2929
03:54:03,439 --> 03:54:05,680
were approved on consent at the uh last

2930
03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:07,840
council meeting and we're bringing them

2931
03:54:07,840 --> 03:54:10,160
back tonight so that an oral report as

2932
03:54:10,160 --> 03:54:13,359
required this year under SB77.

2933
03:54:13,359 --> 03:54:16,960
Uh the salary ranges uh were moved uh

2934
03:54:16,960 --> 03:54:19,840
based on the employees.

2935
03:54:19,840 --> 03:54:21,439
Um and the ranges are being adjusted

2936
03:54:21,439 --> 03:54:26,720
from 1.3 and 5% with an average of 4.3%.

2937
03:54:26,720 --> 03:54:29,040
uh hourly ranges reflect state minimum

2938
03:54:29,040 --> 03:54:30,960
wage uh which is scheduled to increase

2939
03:54:30,960 --> 03:54:34,239
on January 1st, 2027. And we also had

2940
03:54:34,239 --> 03:54:35,920
one minor correction to implement. The

2941
03:54:35,920 --> 03:54:37,840
senior civil engineer, senior plant

2942
03:54:37,840 --> 03:54:39,520
check engineer, and senior structural

2943
03:54:39,520 --> 03:54:42,640
engineer uh ranges are being adjusted uh

2944
03:54:42,640 --> 03:54:46,479
to 4.8% uh instead of 1.8%. Everything

2945
03:54:46,479 --> 03:54:49,120
else remains unchanged. the health

2946
03:54:49,120 --> 03:54:51,439
benefit allowance uh per the calculation

2947
03:54:51,439 --> 03:54:54,479
outlined in theou uh employees uh

2948
03:54:54,479 --> 03:54:58,560
increases by $200 to $2,178

2949
03:54:58,560 --> 03:55:00,399
per month and that'll be effective

2950
03:55:00,399 --> 03:55:02,880
January 1st, 2027.

2951
03:55:02,880 --> 03:55:05,120
Um and this applies to eligible

2952
03:55:05,120 --> 03:55:06,800
represented and nonrepresented

2953
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:09,359
employees. So, the recommended action

2954
03:55:09,359 --> 03:55:11,279
tonight is to receive and file the

2955
03:55:11,279 --> 03:55:14,560
unodudited fiscal year 26 quarter 4

2956
03:55:14,560 --> 03:55:16,960
financial report, approve the fiscal

2957
03:55:16,960 --> 03:55:19,840
year 26 to 27 carryovers and budget

2958
03:55:19,840 --> 03:55:22,399
adjustments, uh, adopt resolution

2959
03:55:22,399 --> 03:55:24,399
establishing salary ranges, and adopt

2960
03:55:24,399 --> 03:55:26,000
resolution modifying the health benefit

2961
03:55:26,000 --> 03:55:28,000
allowances. That concludes my

2962
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:29,600
presentation and happy to answer any

2963
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:31,279
questions.

2964
03:55:31,279 --> 03:55:34,479
>> Thank you, sir. Well done. Uh, is there

2965
03:55:34,479 --> 03:55:35,760
any public comments?

2966
03:55:35,760 --> 03:55:36,800
>> No, sir.

2967
03:55:36,800 --> 03:55:38,479
>> Thank you. Moving back to council

2968
03:55:38,479 --> 03:55:41,920
discussion. Any questions, comments? Mr.

2969
03:55:41,920 --> 03:55:42,640
Feder Rico.

2970
03:55:42,640 --> 03:55:44,720
>> Yeah. Um, uh, I'm going to move the

2971
03:55:44,720 --> 03:55:46,080
staff recommended action, but I just

2972
03:55:46,080 --> 03:55:47,520
want to ask a couple of quick questions.

2973
03:55:47,520 --> 03:55:49,040
So, uh, thank you for the very good

2974
03:55:49,040 --> 03:55:50,319
brief and it's great to see we're in

2975
03:55:50,319 --> 03:55:55,120
this position. Can you uh talk about um

2976
03:55:55,120 --> 03:55:57,439
just in high level what you're thinking

2977
03:55:57,439 --> 03:56:00,000
about for proposed changes to the uh

2978
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:02,560
reserve policy? I I'm looking at page

2979
03:56:02,560 --> 03:56:03,920
five with the what we're doing with the

2980
03:56:03,920 --> 03:56:06,239
carryover and I appreciate and and

2981
03:56:06,239 --> 03:56:10,319
certainly uh support putting um

2982
03:56:10,319 --> 03:56:11,840
additional money in the extreme event

2983
03:56:11,840 --> 03:56:14,160
reserve for now. I don't understand

2984
03:56:14,160 --> 03:56:15,439
there's a couple lines on here I don't

2985
03:56:15,439 --> 03:56:19,120
understand. You've got a FY27

2986
03:56:19,120 --> 03:56:20,640
increase to the unassigned fund balance

2987
03:56:20,640 --> 03:56:23,600
of $89,000 and then a couple lines later

2988
03:56:23,600 --> 03:56:26,239
it says 4% additional unassigned fund

2989
03:56:26,239 --> 03:56:28,080
balance of 2 million. just explain that

2990
03:56:28,080 --> 03:56:29,680
part to me and then answer my question

2991
03:56:29,680 --> 03:56:31,359
about reserves policy if you don't mind.

2992
03:56:31,359 --> 03:56:33,520
>> Sure. So the the smaller amount is to

2993
03:56:33,520 --> 03:56:35,040
bring it up to the policy level for

2994
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:37,680
fiscal year 27 which calls for a a

2995
03:56:37,680 --> 03:56:39,040
certain percentage of revenues

2996
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:42,000
>> 7% of revenue. So that would take the

2997
03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:45,600
fiscal year 27 revenues budgeted um and

2998
03:56:45,600 --> 03:56:47,680
bring it up to that 7% level. the

2999
03:56:47,680 --> 03:56:51,279
additional 4% um is kind of a and again

3000
03:56:51,279 --> 03:56:53,680
another kind of placeholder as we do the

3001
03:56:53,680 --> 03:56:55,199
>> placeholder for now because we don't

3002
03:56:55,199 --> 03:56:57,120
have a place better place to put

3003
03:56:57,120 --> 03:56:59,120
>> right as we don't want to transfer the

3004
03:56:59,120 --> 03:57:01,199
money out of the fund um to just do our

3005
03:57:01,199 --> 03:57:02,560
reserve policy and have to transfer it

3006
03:57:02,560 --> 03:57:04,560
back in. So, we're kind of holding it

3007
03:57:04,560 --> 03:57:06,560
there for now till we we get that

3008
03:57:06,560 --> 03:57:08,560
comprehensive study. And really, that's

3009
03:57:08,560 --> 03:57:11,359
to to strengthen, you know, those uh

3010
03:57:11,359 --> 03:57:14,239
extreme event emergency type, which best

3011
03:57:14,239 --> 03:57:17,199
practice is you really want to have uh 3

3012
03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:20,080
months or 25% of your expenditures.

3013
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:22,800
>> You know, just in case revenue stops for

3014
03:57:22,800 --> 03:57:24,800
three months, we've got reserves set

3015
03:57:24,800 --> 03:57:27,120
aside that we can continue regular

3016
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:30,640
operations during that time. Um, so it's

3017
03:57:30,640 --> 03:57:32,800
really to make sure we're uninterrupted

3018
03:57:32,800 --> 03:57:35,199
in the services that we're providing.

3019
03:57:35,199 --> 03:57:36,880
>> How long do you think at what point do

3020
03:57:36,880 --> 03:57:38,160
you think you'll bring the the reserve

3021
03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:40,319
policy updates sort of back? You going

3022
03:57:40,319 --> 03:57:41,359
to put those through the financial

3023
03:57:41,359 --> 03:57:43,600
review committee first? So it'll be

3024
03:57:43,600 --> 03:57:44,239
months.

3025
03:57:44,239 --> 03:57:47,040
>> No, I the committee meets at the end of

3026
03:57:47,040 --> 03:57:48,000
this month.

3027
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:50,160
>> So that we'll we'll do it at the end of

3028
03:57:50,160 --> 03:57:52,319
October with the committee and then in

3029
03:57:52,319 --> 03:57:53,600
November the meet the meeting in

3030
03:57:53,600 --> 03:57:54,880
November, we'll have it back to council.

3031
03:57:54,880 --> 03:57:55,920
>> Thank you.

3032
03:57:55,920 --> 03:57:58,399
>> You'll have to wrestle it.

3033
03:57:58,399 --> 03:57:59,520
You're not getting out of here that

3034
03:57:59,520 --> 03:58:01,920
easy. Go ahead, Mr. Bard.

3035
03:58:01,920 --> 03:58:03,920
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a a comment

3036
03:58:03,920 --> 03:58:06,479
to to point out that relates to the last

3037
03:58:06,479 --> 03:58:09,840
conversation that we had, right? Is, you

3038
03:58:09,840 --> 03:58:12,399
know, we hear our financial review and

3039
03:58:12,399 --> 03:58:14,800
we're in such a good spot financially

3040
03:58:14,800 --> 03:58:17,279
that comes a lot of it comes from toot

3041
03:58:17,279 --> 03:58:20,479
from from taxes that we have on hotels.

3042
03:58:20,479 --> 03:58:22,800
So the Marriott when their rooms are

3043
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:25,760
full, it directly benefits the residents

3044
03:58:25,760 --> 03:58:27,279
of Dana Point and it's something that we

3045
03:58:27,279 --> 03:58:29,120
need to all keep in mind, right? They're

3046
03:58:29,120 --> 03:58:31,040
not the devil, right? They're we're not

3047
03:58:31,040 --> 03:58:33,279
selling our souls to the Marriott to to

3048
03:58:33,279 --> 03:58:35,520
build, you know, cabanas on the bluff

3049
03:58:35,520 --> 03:58:37,760
there, right? So, uh it's just something

3050
03:58:37,760 --> 03:58:42,880
that we need to all keep in mind like we do benefit and being a good partner

3051
03:58:42,880 --> 03:58:45,199
with the Marriott does benefit all of

3052
03:58:45,199 --> 03:58:47,600
our residents.

3053
03:58:47,600 --> 03:58:49,920
>> Thank you, sir. Anything, gentlemen?

3054
03:58:49,920 --> 03:58:51,840
Just real quick, and I I know only

3055
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:54,399
Gwyn's here and stuff, but um to if

3056
03:58:54,399 --> 03:58:55,680
those people are still here, especially

3057
03:58:55,680 --> 03:58:58,640
the folks who sort of bit adversarial

3058
03:58:58,640 --> 03:59:00,479
towards the Marriott. I mean, the

3059
03:59:00,479 --> 03:59:02,000
Marriott's the reason why the deputies

3060
03:59:02,000 --> 03:59:04,239
show up at your house. The Marriott's

3061
03:59:04,239 --> 03:59:05,920
the reason why the why the parks look

3062
03:59:05,920 --> 03:59:07,279
the way they do. The Marriott's the

3063
03:59:07,279 --> 03:59:10,160
reason why the concerts are there. So,

3064
03:59:10,160 --> 03:59:12,640
um you know, all we are is I mean, we

3065
03:59:12,640 --> 03:59:15,760
are really in and out. We

3066
03:59:15,760 --> 03:59:17,840
there's the only reason why we try to

3067
03:59:17,840 --> 03:59:19,600
make money is to provide better

3068
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:23,040
services. So, um gosh, I wish I would

3069
03:59:23,040 --> 03:59:25,279
have said that a little bit earlier, but

3070
03:59:25,279 --> 03:59:27,680
uh with that, thanks, Mr. Mayor.

3071
03:59:27,680 --> 03:59:29,760
>> Thank you.

3072
03:59:29,760 --> 03:59:32,800
>> Yeah, I I guess

3073
03:59:32,800 --> 03:59:34,160
>> we're going to we're going to pass the

3074
03:59:34,160 --> 03:59:36,239
hat. I think

3075
03:59:36,239 --> 03:59:37,520
>> be too late. We're going to be gone by

3076
03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:38,479
the time you fix it,

3077
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:41,040
>> right? Okay. Do I have a motion?

3078
03:59:41,040 --> 03:59:41,439
>> Second.

3079
03:59:41,439 --> 03:59:42,640
>> Yeah. And I'll second.

3080
03:59:42,640 --> 03:59:44,080
>> All right. All those in favor?

3081
03:59:44,080 --> 03:59:45,920
>> I

3082
03:59:45,920 --> 03:59:48,319
>> hearing no opposition, we will move on

3083
03:59:48,319 --> 03:59:51,520
to council reports.

3084
03:59:51,520 --> 03:59:52,399
>> Mr. Feder Rico,

3085
03:59:52,399 --> 03:59:54,319
>> I turn in my list of meetings and have

3086
03:59:54,319 --> 03:59:56,080
nothing to report.

3087
03:59:56,080 --> 03:59:56,960
>> Mr. Flor,

3088
03:59:56,960 --> 03:59:58,880
>> I turn in my list of meetings. Uh it was

3089
03:59:58,880 --> 04:00:01,040
mentioned earlier Muertos is coming up

3090
04:00:01,040 --> 04:00:04,080
November 1st. Um it's a fantastic uh

3091
04:00:04,080 --> 04:00:06,720
city event. Um, it's not just for our

3092
04:00:06,720 --> 04:00:09,040
Spanish speakers, it's for the entire uh

3093
04:00:09,040 --> 04:00:11,359
community and I hope we all uh get out

3094
04:00:11,359 --> 04:00:13,040
there because it really is a fantastic

3095
04:00:13,040 --> 04:00:13,920
event. Thank you.

3096
04:00:13,920 --> 04:00:15,199
>> Very cool,

3097
04:00:15,199 --> 04:00:16,479
>> Mr. Pagano.

3098
04:00:16,479 --> 04:00:18,160
>> I turn in my list of meetings. Only

3099
04:00:18,160 --> 04:00:19,760
thing I'd say is we heard from Danny

3100
04:00:19,760 --> 04:00:21,760
Point Youth Baseball tonight. Um, the

3101
04:00:21,760 --> 04:00:23,520
previous president who pretty much made

3102
04:00:23,520 --> 04:00:26,239
that place what it is, Dana Kiss League.

3103
04:00:26,239 --> 04:00:28,080
Um, not to take away from anybody else,

3104
04:00:28,080 --> 04:00:29,680
but a gentleman that puted his lifeblood

3105
04:00:29,680 --> 04:00:33,040
into that place. his wife suffered uh a

3106
04:00:33,040 --> 04:00:34,560
stroke and an aneurysm a couple weeks

3107
04:00:34,560 --> 04:00:37,359
ago. Um and just calling for anybody

3108
04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:39,199
that feels led to pray for them because

3109
04:00:39,199 --> 04:00:41,359
that works. And um God bless you,

3110
04:00:41,359 --> 04:00:43,120
Stephanie.

3111
04:00:43,120 --> 04:00:45,359
>> Thank you, sir. Mayor Pro Tim.

3112
04:00:45,359 --> 04:00:47,840
>> Second on Miss Stephanie. Um I have not

3113
04:00:47,840 --> 04:00:50,319
turned in my list of meetings. Uh I will

3114
04:00:50,319 --> 04:00:52,319
get that to you shortly, Miss Shaina.

3115
04:00:52,319 --> 04:00:55,120
And uh nothing to report.

3116
04:00:55,120 --> 04:00:58,000
I um have also turned in my list of

3117
04:00:58,000 --> 04:01:01,199
meetings and I attend Cal Cities on our

3118
04:01:01,199 --> 04:01:04,800
behalf last week. Um it was an

3119
04:01:04,800 --> 04:01:06,239
interesting discussion. And I had was on

3120
04:01:06,239 --> 04:01:10,080
a panel with uh the uh council member

3121
04:01:10,080 --> 04:01:12,880
from Long Beach and another one from uh

3122
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:15,040
Coronado uh talking about all the damage

3123
04:01:15,040 --> 04:01:17,920
that has happened uh to the city both

3124
04:01:17,920 --> 04:01:19,840
county w county owned properties and

3125
04:01:19,840 --> 04:01:22,319
city owned properties uh throughout Dana

3126
04:01:22,319 --> 04:01:24,640
Point and all the way from Malibu all

3127
04:01:24,640 --> 04:01:29,600
the way down to Imperial City. So um it

3128
04:01:29,600 --> 04:01:30,960
uh was fascinating conversation.

3129
04:01:30,960 --> 04:01:32,319
Everybody's struggling with the same

3130
04:01:32,319 --> 04:01:35,840
thing. Uh the sand replenishment, sand

3131
04:01:35,840 --> 04:01:37,920
uh management issues big for all of us.

3132
04:01:37,920 --> 04:01:40,080
So that they uh there's no solutions

3133
04:01:40,080 --> 04:01:42,080
right now. Coastal commission

3134
04:01:42,080 --> 04:01:43,840
commissioner that was there, they're

3135
04:01:43,840 --> 04:01:50,080
certainly listening and are receptive to ideas. So um I'm sure there'll be a

3136
04:01:50,080 --> 04:01:51,600
lot more discussions about that over the

3137
04:01:51,600 --> 04:01:54,239
next several years. Uh with that, we've

3138
04:01:54,239 --> 04:01:55,439
got a couple things happening here in

3139
04:01:55,439 --> 04:01:56,960
the next two weeks. Uh, one is the

3140
04:01:56,960 --> 04:01:59,359
trolley art and history tour that uh,

3141
04:01:59,359 --> 04:02:01,279
our arts ambassadors brought up earlier.

3142
04:02:01,279 --> 04:02:04,000
And then on the 15th, we have our H2O

3143
04:02:04,000 --> 04:02:07,600
for HOA's a Bell Tower Regional

3144
04:02:07,600 --> 04:02:09,840
Community Center in Rancho Santa

3145
04:02:09,840 --> 04:02:13,279
Margarita. Did I say that right? Okay.

3146
04:02:13,279 --> 04:02:15,439
We'll talk about the stuff after on the

3147
04:02:15,439 --> 04:02:16,560
through the end of the month for

3148
04:02:16,560 --> 04:02:20,399
Halloween next uh at next meeting. But

3149
04:02:20,399 --> 04:02:23,760
uh I've been asked uh one of our Dana

3150
04:02:23,760 --> 04:02:26,319
Point artists Christopher

3151
04:02:26,319 --> 04:02:29,359
Pachara passed away in August. He

3152
04:02:29,359 --> 04:02:30,800
created several pieces of art here in

3153
04:02:30,800 --> 04:02:32,880
the city, a bronze stat or sculpture of

3154
04:02:32,880 --> 04:02:35,359
an eagle and shield at the Veterans

3155
04:02:35,359 --> 04:02:36,800
Memorial Park and the Strands. A

3156
04:02:36,800 --> 04:02:38,880
sculpture depicting a sailor at sea on

3157
04:02:38,880 --> 04:02:40,800
the tall ship pilgrim and the ocean

3158
04:02:40,800 --> 04:02:44,080
institute. an open book bronze sculpture

3159
04:02:44,080 --> 04:02:47,359
showcasing Doris Walker's homeport of ro

3160
04:02:47,359 --> 04:02:49,680
for romance in heritage park and a mural

3161
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at the nature interpretive center

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depicting a historical scene of the

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headlands and we were fortunate to have

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several artworks from Christopher in our

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city. So with that uh we will say a

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prayer to all of his family uh and

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Stephanie as well uh for uh for all of

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us with that staff reports.

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Uh, nothing to report tonight. Thank

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you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> I have nothing as well.

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>> Thank you, sir. Thank you, ma'am. So, we

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will adjourn the next regular meeting of

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the city council will be on Octo October

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20th at 5:00 p.m. in the city chambers

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at 33282 Golden Lantern in Sweet 210 in

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Dana Point. We're adjourned.