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Good evening everyone and welcome to our

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October 6, 2026 select board meeting.

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Member Bean, could you please lead us in

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the pledge of allegiance?

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you very much. I'll have the clerk

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uh read the agenda items.

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>> Approval of the minutes of September

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3rd, 2026.

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>> I move we approve the minutes as

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presented. Do I have a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Any discussions?

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All those in favor say I. I.

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>> I.

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>> Abstain.

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>> That's uh that was I for

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>> 401.

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>> M1. Yes.

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>> Thank you.

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New public business. Limit comments to 3

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minutes or fewer.

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>> Any resident have questions, comments?

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Yes. If you want to just go to the

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microphone and introduce yourself.

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Good evening. Just want to make sure

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that you could see me.

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>> Who are you?

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>> I'll tell you one minute. There's one

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for everybody there, please.

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My name is Bill Bates. I'm a town

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meeting member from precinct 4. Um, and

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I'm also a Danvas crossing guard. And

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I'm here tonight to ask under new

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business for three requests. I

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respectfully ask that the board to

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discuss the many oh I'm sorry to add to

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a future agenda item [music] if you guys

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would consider a future agenda item for

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the following three items. The dangerous

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crosswalks that exist in our town.

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That's number one. The [clears throat]

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number of near misses every day is

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unacceptable.

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This is an [clears throat] accident

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waiting to happen.

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I come stand with in any day come out

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and stand with us as crossing guards and

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see what's going on out there. It's you

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will not believe it. We need flashing

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beacons at the most dangerous crosswalks

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now, not next summer.

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We I this is two years ago. I came here

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asking for help and it we've placed one

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flashing beacon in the two years.

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We can do better. Number two, discuss

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the structure of the current Danver

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Traffic Advisory Committee, DTAC. I

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would suggest you consider adding one

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town meeting member from each precinct

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to serve along with the select board

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liaison

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and town staff. That board doesn't

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really have any residents on there, so

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to speak. They're staff. And this

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confusion of when the meetings are held,

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whether they need to be publicized,

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whether they don't, for parents, and for

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crossing guards, that committee is is

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crucial. I know you folks are the town's

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traffic commissioners, and you've chosen

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to do this over the years through a

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traffic advisory committee. We can do

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better. and last to discuss the

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implementation of a traffic division

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within the Danvas Police Department.

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Danas Police Department was known for

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traffic stops for years and many felt it

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kept our community safer.

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Traffic is such a big issue in town, we

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should have officers who are experts in

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traffic management. I hope that the

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chair and the members will accept my

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respectfully made request to have the

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select board agenda in the future

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include these three items. And again,

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thank you for your service as always.

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Thank you very much. That's taken on the

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adviceman.

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Anybody else? Yes.

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Good evening, Mark Zuber, nine Glendale

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Drive.

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I come before you today to thank one of

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your board members, Dan Bennett, for

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[snorts] developing the Dan Bennett

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Show.

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I really was impressed with the

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presentation that happened, but it was a

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reaction to my show.

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I want to welcome you to the news media

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at DAT because we all participate in one

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way or another. Our views are shared by

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many residents and now they have a

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counter or another voice

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to my show which is the special report

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that was sent out on the stretch coat

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discussions that have been taken place.

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So I just didn't want you to think that

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I didn't notice but I did notice.

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I would therefore invite you to my show

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to express your views regarding the

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important decisions that our residents

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and town meeting members will be

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considering in the February warrant

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articles that are coming due.

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We can share our views and better inform

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the public. I only ask are your views

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personal or they reflect the board.

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[clears throat]

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I have been active on a news media show

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topics of the town news and I've invited

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many of you uh members of the board of

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selectmen

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and this is the first time that uh you

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know this you're the second one D has

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been active on different issues

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and uh yours is the newcomer to the DAT

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news media. So, welcome and I hope to be

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on your show or you can come on to my

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show and we can share the views because

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we need both sides. We cannot just

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accept one side of the views.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Mr. Chairman, may I make a few comments?

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>> Uh uh no, you you may want to think

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about it and

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>> if we need to have comments were made to

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make

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>> if we need to have it on the agenda, we will. Uh anybody else? I'm sorry, Mr.

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Chairman. I did not speak for this

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board and he alluded to that. Are these

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the board's thoughts? They're my

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thoughts.

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>> And Mr. Chairman, I

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>> Mr. Chairman, I I watched the show and

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he was

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>> I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not going to

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discuss about these. Um,

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anybody else?

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[clears throat and cough]

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Mr. Chair. Good evening, everybody. Uh

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my name is Luis Velasquez. I'm the vice

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chair of the Denver Human Rights and

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Inclusion Committee. And I'm here along

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with my colleague Paula Garcia Bledo.

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She's the chair of a celebration

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subcommittee. And we're here also an

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invitation. Um this invitation however

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is for um the human rights and inclusion

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committee celebration will be taking

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place on October 14th at 5:30 p.m. in

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the library. Um and to tell you all

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about it, I want to introduce my

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colleague again pao.

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» Good evening everyone. Um and thank you

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Luis for that wonderful introduction. U

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my name is Paola and I'm the

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subcommittee chair for this annual

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celebration event. Um, so mark your

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calendars on October 15th at 5:30 p.m.

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um at our library in the Gordon Room is

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kind of the space [clears throat]

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adjacent to it. Um, we are planning to

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have a wonderful evening um with

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delicious local food, great community

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resources,

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>> [music]

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>> um, a very uh, beautiful interactive art

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display and a screening of a culturally

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relevant film. Um, this year we wanted

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to be very intentional with our event to

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fully celebrate the beauty and

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contributions of the Hispanic and Latinx

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community. Um, like most communities in

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our country, in our town, the Latinx and

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Hispanic um, community is one enriched

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by a long history of migration through

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which various cuisines, music, art, and

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intellect have come to enrich our

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American [music] um, culture and

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community. Um, and it's something that

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we want to honor this year. Um, it will

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be a thoughtful and enjoyable

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celebration. So, please, please come.

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It's going to be a good time. Um, and

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now I will pass it [music] back to Luis

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for a few closing remarks.

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>> Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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So, once again, uh, mark your calendars

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everybody. We hope to see you on for

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October 14th, 5:30 p.m. at the library

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and um look forward to you there. Thank

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you very much.

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>> Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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You want to just go to the microphone

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and introduce yourself?

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» Thank you, Bill.

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My name is Everly and I wanted to

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introduce this new boss and my nana

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which is in the blue jacket.

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>> Thank [laughter] you.

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>> Thank you Emily.

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>> Thank you.

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>> No idea. Thank you. [laughter] Wow. Good

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girl.

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» Anybody else?

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>> Hear none. Okay. Madame clerk. The board

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will consider the acceptance of a

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donation from the friends of the Davis

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Rail Trail in accordance with MGL

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chapter 44 section 53A.

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» They told me someone would be here.

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>> I think I was like I'm assuming that's

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speak to that.

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>> Oh, sure.

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» Hi, my name is Corey Grace. I am a town

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meeting member precinct 4, but I am also

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the treasurer for the Diverse Rail Trail

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and I'm also a town employee. Shall I go

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on? I'm small [laughter] business owner.

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No. Um [clears throat] I I'm a little

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surprised because I thought somebody

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else was here. I was here for support.

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But um so the rail trail, I don't know

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if anybody is familiar with the duty

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stations. They have them um currently at

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um the beach. And there's one other

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place and I'm sorry um

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>> Ender Park. At the dog park at Ender.

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Okay. Thank you. Um, and we would like

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to place we would like to donate three

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of [music] those to be placed on the

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rail trail, but we want to make it clear

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that we will be fully responsible for

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them. I believe was everybody given anou

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on those?

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>> No, memo. A memo.

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>> A memo. Okay. Um, so the um I just want

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to say that the rail trail if they don't

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work out, if there's complaints, we will

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be putting stickers on them that will

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instruct people that if they do have

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complaints to call the rail trail

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volunteers not to bother the town or or

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um the um land and use services

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department. And if for some reason

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they're not working out, we will we will

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make the calls to the people to service

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them. [music] And if they're damaged, we

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will repair them. [music] And if at

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after a certain amount of time, if the

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town doesn't want them there anymore or

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if there's complaints about them, we

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will um pay the cost to have them

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removed. But we think that it's a great

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idea. We've come to an agreement with

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the company. We will supply the bags.

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They will come once or twice a week

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depending upon the need and depending

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upon the location. Um the rail trail

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committee has been getting a lot of

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complaints of people just piling up,

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especially in the springtime. They're

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finding piles of um dog waste bags

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on the rail trail in different spots. So

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the three places that have been the most

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complained about are the three places

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that they're trying [music] to aim for.

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>> Thank you very much. Uh board members,

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any questions, comments? I'll start with

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member Bernard.

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>> No, good job. We love the rail trail.

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Thank you for all the work that you

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everybody does. I'm all support that.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you, member Bennett.

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>> Thank you, Corey, for taking this

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initiative, your group. That's our

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biggest complaint when we walk is the

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bags.

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>> Thank you,

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>> member Bean.

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>> Uh thank you, Corey. Uh great idea. Uh

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good service. Uh probably need a

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training for everybody on the rail trail

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so they're not whipping the bags like

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they do, but uh just a thing. Maybe

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it'll get better. Thank you

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>> member to ask.

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>> Um I too thank you. I appreciate the

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effort to try to um clean up. You can't

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legislate good manners and but at least

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we can try to mitigate bad manners by

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providing this opportunity. So I'm thank

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you for it.

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>> Thank you very much for everything. I'll

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entertain a motion.

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>> I move we accept the gift with a um

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appropriate letter of thanks from the

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town.

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>> Second.

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>> Any further discussions

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hear? None. All those in favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Thank you.

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>> The board will issue a proclamation in

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recognition of breast cancer awareness

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month.

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>> Thank you. Uh so this item um is a

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request for a proclamation declaring

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October 2026 breast cancer awareness

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month in Danvers. Uh but before we

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begin, I want to make a disclosure. Uh

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the resident presenting this request is

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my wife. I consulted with the state

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ethic commission and I was advised that

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I may preside over this item and vote on

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it as well provided I can be fair and

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impartial.

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I I swear I can [laughter]

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um

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uh I have also filed a written

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disclosure with the town clerk uh which

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is available for public um um as a

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public record.

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>> Yes, I have it.

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>> Um so with that, I would like to invite

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Justin Jooko to the podium.

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» Everybody's bringing some fun to this

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game. You need a bear every month.

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» Good evening, member uh Mr. Chair and

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member of the board.

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My name is Joselyn Jooko and I live at 4

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Old Stonewall Avenue.

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Thank you for having me tonight.

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I usually watch these meetings

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from home on TV and I leave all the

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talking to my husband. [laughter]

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But tonight was too important for me to

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stay home.

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I am here as a resident, as a health

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care professional,

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and as a breast cancer survivor.

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In 2015,

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I had just come back from England on a

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nice vacation. [music]

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I had a head cold.

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So, I booked a doctor appointment for

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10:00 a.m.

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When I arrived, they told me I did not

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have an appointment.

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I was disappointed. I was angry.

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I was sure my husband had forgotten to

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book

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[laughter] to book it for me.

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» They asked me to come back at 3:00 to

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see my PCP.

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When I came back, he said, "You almost

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due for your physical.

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Let's do it today." I said, "Yes, sure."

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During that physical,

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[snorts] he felt something unusual.

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That appointment I almost missed changed

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the course of my life.

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I had a lumpctomy in 2016.

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Then a chemotherapy and a radiation

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therapy.

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Today I am 10 years cancer free.

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I am thankful every single day.

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For a long time I could not talk about

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it. is still not easy, but I'm speaking

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tonight because it's important.

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About one in

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eight women in this country will be

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diagnosed with breast cancer

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in their lifetime.

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This year, more than 320 women will hear

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the words, "You have breast cancer."

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There,

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but there is a hope.

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The fiveear survival rate is nearly 100%

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when detected early.

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And since 1889

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breast cancer death have gone down by

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44%.

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Today there are more than 4 million

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survivor in the US. I am proud to be one

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of them.

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Early detection saves lives

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and the more support a patient has, the

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stronger she is.

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Denver already shows

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that support. In October, our police

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officers wear pink patches and our

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firefighters

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have have pink t-shirt for the same

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cause

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to our police department and fire

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department. Thank you.

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They show they have shown us the way.

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Tonight I am asking that our whole town

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stand with them.

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So I respectfully

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asked the board to proclaim October 2026

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breast cancer awareness month in Denver.

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Let it be for the patient fighting

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today.

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for the survivor,

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for the families,

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and for those

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we have lost whose names we carry with

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love.

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Some of my family and friends are here

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with me tonight wearing pink.

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And

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everyone watching,

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please do not skip your checkup.

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Please do not cancel your mamogram.

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It could save your life your life like

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it save mine. Thank you.

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[applause]

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Thank you very much. Um, so I will have

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member

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uh Bernard actually read the draft

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proclamation if you could before

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>> it would be my honor, Mr. Chair, and

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you're a remarkable woman. Thank you.

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>> Um, breast cancer awareness month,

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October 2026. Whereas breast cancer is

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the most commonly diagnosed cancer among

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women in Massachusetts in the United

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States. And about one in eight women in

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the United States will be diagnosed with

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breast cancer in her lifetime. And

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whereas the American Cancer Society

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estimates that in 2026 about 321,910

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women in the United States will be

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diagnosed with invasive breast cancer

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and about 42,140

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women will die from the disease. And

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whereas breast cancer also affects men

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and it touches the lives of countless

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family, friends, co-workers, and

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neighbors in Damas. And whereas when

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breast cancer is found early while still

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localized, the 5-year relative survival

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rate is nearly 100% making regular

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screening, routine checkups, and

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awareness among the most powerful tools

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we have. And whereas breast cancer death

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rate in the United States has fallen by

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44% since 1989 thanks to early detection

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research and improved treatment. And

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there are now more than four million

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breast cancer survivors in our nation.

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And whereas about 85% of breast cancers

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occur in women with no family history of

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the disease. which is why every person

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should know the signs and talk with a

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health care provider about screening.

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And whereas patients, survivors, and

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their families are strengthened by the

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support of their community and the town

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of Danvas wishes to stand with them in

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hope and solidarity. Now, therefore, we

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the select board of the town of Damas do

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hereby proclaim October 2026 as breast

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cancer awareness month in the town of

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Damis. And we honor the courage of those

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living with breast cancer and strength

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of survivors. Remember with love those

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we have lost to breast cancer and

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support the families who carry their

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memory. Thank the doctors, nur nurses,

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pharmacists, caregivers, researchers,

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and volunteers who serve patients every

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day and encourage all residents to learn

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about early detection and to schedule

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their recommended screenings and

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checkups.

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>> Second, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very

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much. Um, so the motion has been made. It's been

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seconded. Any discussion? Member Task?

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>> No, no discussion. Thank you for getting

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up and bring this to our attention.

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>> Member Bean. [clears throat]

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>> Uh, no discussion. Thank you very much.

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God bless.

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>> Member Bennett.

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>> My aunt and stepsister had breast

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cancer.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Neither one lived beyond 10 years.

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[snorts] They passed away. Um, so it

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they didn't have really detection

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obviously and what a family goes

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through. I can appreciate and appreciate

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what you and your family went through.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Member Bernard.

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>> Thank you so much for having the courage

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and getting up and and telling your

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story. Um, as we all say, we all get

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busy, right? work, meetings, everything,

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early detection. Don't miss those

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appointments. And um thank you very

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much.

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>> Thank you.

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So I did get a motion and

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it's being seconded.

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>> Who made the motion?

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>> Morin, what you read? Second.

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>> Second. Any further discussions?

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Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.

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>> I.

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>> Okay. 5. Well, on on a personal note,

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now that the vote has passed, I I'll say

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um well, Justin is my wife of 28 years,

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um she's brave and she she's a rock star

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and

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uh but but like she said herself, this

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is not about one person. Um to every

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survivor, every

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uh patient, every family members

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tonight, uh this is for you. Um this is

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for you. So, thank you for all you do

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and thank you,

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>> Mr. Chairman, if I may. I believe our

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police chief brought something and I

552
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,520
will say while he's getting up, um the

553
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,680
fire t-shirts that are for sale to raise

554
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,119
money for breast cancer awareness, they

555
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,560
sold out over the weekend.

556
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,480
>> Wow. Which is incredible Monday.

557
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,000
>> We were going to get We were planning on

558
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,440
bringing one for you, so I'm sorry that

559
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
they're not here. Um but they hope to

560
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,960
have them restocked for their open house

561
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960
on Thursday. and Chief Levelville has

562
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,839
something with him.

563
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:56,880
>> Um so back in 2021 I became chief. Uh we

564
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,771
began the pink patch project in Danvers.

565
00:37:58,771 --> 00:37:59,359
[music]

566
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,440
Um this is a nationwide initiative that

567
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,680
is aimed to bring awareness to breast

568
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,000
cancer awareness by dawning pink patches

569
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,000
for the month of October. Um although

570
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,119
not mandatory um probably 99% of our

571
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,960
department participates in this and

572
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,320
wears it proudly throughout the month of

573
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,240
October. So on behalf of the police

574
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,440
department, I'd like to present Mrs.

575
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,996
Djoko one of our patches.

576
00:38:23,006 --> 00:38:34,950
» [applause]

577
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
» Thank you, Chief.

578
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,200
Next,

579
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:40,720
>> a public hearing will be held on the

580
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,320
application of Mattiey's Cafe and

581
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,079
Catering doing business as Mattiey's

582
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,560
Cafe and Catering 75 Sylen Street

583
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,359
Matthew Fellows owner for a transfer of

584
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,119
a common vict a license at that

585
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:52,160
location.

586
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,119
>> Whis to speak to that. Want to just go

587
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:56,560
to the microphone and introduce

588
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,870
yourself?

589
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,240
» How you doing? My name is Matthew

590
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,480
Fellows. This is my wife, Andrea. Uh I'm

591
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,640
here tonight uh to ask you for a

592
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,520
transfer of a common vict uh for 75

593
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Silven Street after purchasing Zoe's

594
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Cafe and turning it into Mattiey's Cafe

595
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,920
and Catering. Um, I have been in the

596
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,760
food industry for over well over 20

597
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,000
years doing anything from pizza making

598
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,200
to working in high-end uh catering. And

599
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,760
uh my last venture was a at the lot over

600
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,760
in Middleton. I owned Goodfellow's food

601
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,320
truck. I did that for four years. Um,

602
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,680
but I was really just looking for

603
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,880
something that was an opportunity of

604
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,040
brick and mortar and after closing the

605
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,880
doors on the food truck, I found this

606
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,280
opportunity and it was just a

607
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,280
opportunity I couldn't really stand up

608
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,800
for. So I needed to make sure that I was

609
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,880
able to do it. So, this is what I'm just

610
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,480
asking from you guys today and if you

611
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,920
have any questions for me, I am happy to

612
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,040
ask answer them.

613
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,119
>> Thank you very much. Board member, any

614
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:55,760
questions, comments? Member Bennett?

615
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,040
>> None.

616
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,079
>> Thank you. Member Bean.

617
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,320
>> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chad. Can you tell us

618
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,680
what kind of food you guys?

619
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,760
>> Absolutely. Um, anything from a lot of

620
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,680
stuff is just going to be helpful for

621
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,440
the people that are working in there.

622
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,800
So, fast graband go things like wraps,

623
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,920
burgers, salads, sandwiches, uh things

624
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,440
of that nature. I make a lot of the food

625
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,079
myself. So, I I make my own brisket for

626
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,960
pastrami. I do my own pulled pork. Um I

627
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,560
make a lot of my own like my turkey for

628
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,119
my gobbler, my all my sauces. So, I try

629
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:28,880
to do everything from scratch. So, it's

630
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,160
much more like more feel to the food. Um

631
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,599
so, you really feel it when you eat it.

632
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,680
So, that's kind of the goal for me.

633
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,920
>> Sounds good. Sounds good. Good luck.

634
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,839
>> Thank you very much. Thank you, member

635
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:40,640
Task.

636
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,160
>> And you also serve breakfast, don't you?

637
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:42,480
>> Yes,

638
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,720
>> you do. And when I come to the building,

639
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,400
as I if I'm coming off Silven Street,

640
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,079
what's the best way to find your

641
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,400
>> um there's there's uh both building it's

642
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,000
building B, so it's the center. It's

643
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,440
kind of the center building. It's offset

644
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,760
to the left. It's

645
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,160
doors B4 and B5. They're a little

646
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,000
difficult to get to. I've kind of been

647
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,640
using uh lawn signs for right now just

648
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,079
to kind of point people in the right

649
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,960
direction. Um, but it's inside of

650
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,599
building uh between building B4 and B5.

651
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,079
Um, and it's welcome to the public as

652
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,599
well as anybody that's in the building.

653
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:14,880
>> Great. Good luck to you.

654
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,839
>> Thank you very much.

655
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:18,560
>> Thank you. Uh, member Bernard.

656
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,040
>> Sounds delicious. Um, looking forward to

657
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,160
it. Good luck.

658
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:22,960
>> Thank you.

659
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,599
Uh, no questions on my part.

660
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,440
This is a public hearing. Anybody in the

661
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,480
audience has a questions, comments?

662
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,359
>> Hear none.

663
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,040
>> Motion to close the public hearing.

664
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960
>> Second the motion. All those in favor

665
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,160
say I. I. I'll entertain a motion.

666
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,839
>> I move we accept the application as

667
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:41,760
presented.

668
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,640
>> I need a second.

669
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,599
>> Second.

670
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,160
>> Any further discussions? All those in

671
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,440
favor say I. I.

672
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,960
>> I.

673
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:49,680
>> 50.

674
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,160
>> Thank you.

675
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:50,880
>> Good luck.

676
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,680
>> Thank you very much.

677
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,873
>> Thank you.

678
00:41:55,883 --> 00:41:56,560
» [clears throat]

679
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,319
>> The board is in receipt of I'm going to

680
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,240
correct that to four applications by

681
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,000
Essex Northshore Agricultural and

682
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Technical School at 565 Maple Street,

683
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,040
the Larkin Center. Jill Sawyer, event

684
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,319
coordinator for four one-day wall wine

685
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:13,280
and malt licenses for the gala, the

686
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,079
Larkin Gala, Saturday, October 24th from

687
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,560
6 to 10:00 p.m. The Essex County

688
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Community Foundation for Strategy

689
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,480
meeting on Thursday, October 22nd from 5

690
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,119
to 9:00 p.m. A private baby shower on

691
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,400
Sunday, October 18 from 10 to 2. another

692
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880
private baby shower on Sunday, November

693
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,119
7th, and I've got the time as 11:00 a.m.

694
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,119
to 2:00 p.m.

695
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,240
>> Okay, perfect. 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m.

696
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,920
>> 11 to 2. Yes.

697
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:42,800
>> Thank you.

698
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,319
>> Sure, you can go ahead.

699
00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,240
>> Hi, I'm Jill Sawyer representing Essex

700
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,640
Tech, the Larkin um center. Also want to

701
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,480
introduce our new event coordinator,

702
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,440
Amarie Cody. Um she will be kind of

703
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,359
coming forward and passing the torches.

704
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:56,720
I'll probably be with her to support

705
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,800
her. Um but as the event coordinator

706
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,400
that's going to be on site for all of

707
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,079
these events, she will be in front of

708
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,760
the board for future one day liquor

709
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,240
license. So we have the four that um

710
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,280
were mentioned. Um there's only one out

711
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,040
of the three that is a public event, the

712
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,119
Larkin Gayla. The rest are all private

713
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,599
events.

714
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:16,000
>> So

715
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,599
>> Okay. Thank you. Uh board members, any

716
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:23,839
questions, comments? um member twice

717
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:26,079
>> and who are going to be catering these

718
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,520
individual events?

719
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,560
>> So the events um for the the catering is

720
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,560
going to be done either by this um the

721
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,800
school the students at our um culinary

722
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,200
as far as the liquor service. The

723
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,440
larking gila is from um refined

724
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,520
refreshments and the other three is

725
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,920
happy hostess.

726
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,079
>> Okay. Those are departures from your

727
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:47,280
usual

728
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,160
>> Yes. like a service. I'm I'm sure the

729
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,520
town clerk would know that those are

730
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,079
>> Okay.

731
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,800
>> Well, right. They're um tip certified.

732
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Um

733
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,400
>> very good. Okay.

734
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,720
>> So, we part of that is the um submitting

735
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,400
their tip certification as well as their

736
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,800
liability insurance. Um we've just found

737
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,760
as as the um center has kind of grown in

738
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,440
popularity as far as events, trying to

739
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,760
book it with the same um bartending

740
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,119
service has been kind of a challenge.

741
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,599
We're hoping that um Happy Hostess doing

742
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,359
three events might move forward with

743
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,200
kind of continuing to partner with us.

744
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,880
>> Wonderful. Thank you. Uh if their trips

745
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,319
to Right. I have no other questions.

746
00:44:22,319 --> 00:44:23,119
Thank you.

747
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,200
>> Thank you. Member Bean.

748
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,119
>> Uh no, I think you guys do a great job

749
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:29,440
at the school. I hope more people go

750
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,400
trade school. Thank you.

751
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,440
>> Member Bennett.

752
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,040
>> All set. Thank you.

753
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,079
>> Member Bernard.

754
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,319
>> I know. All set. Good luck.

755
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:39,680
>> Thank you. [cough and clears throat]

756
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,720
>> Uh I will entertain a motion. You could

757
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:43,839
do them all. You're going to do them all

758
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:44,319
as one.

759
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:46,480
>> Uh, we could if the board choose to do

760
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,280
so.

761
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,119
>> So, I entertain a motion. Mr.

762
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,880
>> Chairman, make a motion that we accept

763
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
all four applications as presented.

764
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,880
>> Secondly, move.

765
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,040
>> Any further discussions?

766
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,200
All those in favor say I. I.

767
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,079
>> I.

768
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,920
>> Oppose.

769
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,599
>> Me. [laughter]

770
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:04,480
>> 41.

771
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,359
>> Thank you.

772
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:08,400
>> Good luck. Thank you.

773
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,520
>> Great. Thank you.

774
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,000
The board will hear detailed information

775
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,160
pursuant to a request to modify the

776
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,040
previously granted application of GC

777
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,960
Federa Contracting LLC Jeppi Fediraa

778
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,760
Manager President to occupy the public

779
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:33,200
way in front of 17 Elm Street. Um the applicant u provided an a letter

780
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,079
this a late this afternoon um unable to

781
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,400
attend the meeting tonight.

782
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,319
>> Okay. So, madame power manager.

783
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:41,040
>> Sure.

784
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,720
>> Any update from staff or

785
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:51,750
>> Yes. Um, one second.

786
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,880
So staff um have been including the

787
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,480
building commissioner and the DPW

788
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,800
director have been working consistently

789
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,359
with um the developers at 17 Elm Street

790
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:04,720
through the past week um trying to get

791
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,800
the work finished up. The uh date that

792
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
you had issued in your last permit to

793
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,280
occupy the sidewalk was October 2nd,

794
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,480
Friday, October 2nd. Um clearly they

795
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,000
have are not there yet. Um both Stephen

796
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,040
and Tim have spoken to them as recently

797
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,480
as today.

798
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,200
>> Um there is a recommendation in your

799
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,960
packet um from staff or actually I think

800
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,200
Mr. Chair I sent it to you I put it on

801
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,000
the top of yours. Um they are they are

802
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,240
suggesting that you impose the $20 fee

803
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,560
um every day starting on October 3rd

804
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,880
when the permit was um expired until

805
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,880
they are finished with that work. Um

806
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,800
they expect it will be shortly. They

807
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,480
have um Page Street will not be paved

808
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,160
until the spring but it will be open to

809
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,520
the public. So they don't foresee um the

810
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,000
finding for that for that location, but

811
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,240
they would expect um sidewalk to be open

812
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,480
Wednesday or Thursday and fines to be

813
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,160
roughly for those few days. So they are

814
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,040
very close to finishing up. Um they have

815
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,920
been cooperative with staff uh and but

816
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,839
to be consistent, we're recommending we

817
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,599
let them proceed but find them until

818
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:17,359
they are done.

819
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,520
>> Thank you. Uh board members questions,

820
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,119
comments uh I will start by member Bean.

821
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,520
Uh, no. I read the letter they dropped

822
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,040
off here. Um, so we're almost there.

823
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,400
That's my only comment.

824
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200
>> Okay. Uh, member Bennett,

825
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,800
>> why have this hearing if people aren't

826
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,487
going to show up? I don't know why

827
00:47:36,487 --> 00:47:37,119
[clears throat] your letter is

828
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,470
acceptable.

829
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,319
» You don't know why. What is acceptable?

830
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:43,040
>> The letter.

831
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,920
>> Oh, okay.

832
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,839
>> They should be here in person to answer

833
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:48,277
questions, defend themselves,

834
00:47:48,277 --> 00:47:50,319
[clears throat] make their presentation.

835
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:52,800
Do we now just go to everybody can just

836
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,079
send a letter in with a request? I think

837
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,960
it's fairly

838
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,040
unfair to this board and I think it's

839
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,280
insulting

840
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,910
and $20 a day, big deal.

841
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,640
» Member Bernard.

842
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,520
>> Um well, it looks like progress is going

843
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,599
along well. Um, if Tim and um,

844
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:20,079
>> Stephen

845
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,800
>> and Stephen are okay with it, I'll be

846
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
okay with it. Um, and imposing the $20

847
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,640
fee a day until the work's done.

848
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,520
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

849
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,280
>> Mr. Chairman, if I may,

850
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:36,960
>> it's not Stevens or Temps to act on our

851
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,599
behalf.

852
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:40,559
>> The recommendation [snorts]

853
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,839
is fine.

854
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,680
>> Oh, no. board this board should be a

855
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,400
little more proactive with these issues

856
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,040
>> if I might.

857
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,680
>> I I I I mean hold on. Uh yes, member to

858
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:54,000
ask.

859
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,559
>> So I'm I'm with Select Bennett. Um this

860
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,240
is the second time this applicant has

861
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,880
failed to show with adequate notice that

862
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,520
they should be here. Um or they have

863
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,920
sent representation that was the general

864
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,599
contractor and not the owner, the people

865
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,640
for whom we would ask the questions. I

866
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,040
find it I do not accept their apology

867
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,359
here. This is completely unprofessional.

868
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:19,200
The fact that they're moving along well

869
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,119
now is in independent of the fact that

870
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:22,720
they should have been done literally

871
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,160
months ago. I am in favor of in some

872
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,599
manner creating some some

873
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,880
uh response to this more than just the

874
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,240
$20. And I know we're going to talk

875
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,920
about working on the fines later when we

876
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,200
talk about zoning and things of that in

877
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,440
the nature. I'm looking I would want I

878
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,040
would actually vote that we do a work

879
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,440
stoppage for three days.

880
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,960
and the $20 until that's until because

881
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,599
they were told if the scaffolding was

882
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,520
not down, it was going to be a work

883
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:52,880
stoppage. They were told that at the

884
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,200
last time they came before us, we gave

885
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,040
them more time than they anticipated and

886
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,319
asked for. This is there is no reason

887
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,880
that they've offered here, no compelling

888
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,880
reason like they couldn't get materials

889
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,240
because of tariffs or whatever it might

890
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,040
be. Something that would give us pause.

891
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,880
They simply said, "We haven't finished

892
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,200
and we decided not to show up." They

893
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:14,640
could have had legal representation

894
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,040
here. That would have been sufficient as

895
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,240
often is. But when it comes to I'm going

896
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,160
to recommend not only the 20 days until

897
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,079
this is completed and they have a signed

898
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,599
off uh document from the town, but I'm

899
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:28,800
also going to make a motion to the

900
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,319
effect of uh some amount of work

901
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:31,359
stoppage.

902
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:34,160
>> Yeah. Thank you. I mean, couple things

903
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,960
uh from my perspective. Number one, I I

904
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,800
don't think that staff recommendation is

905
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,160
dictating to us what we have to do. Uh

906
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,800
ultimately, it's our decision as a board

907
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,920
whatever we want to do. Uh number two,

908
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,200
we we can only go by whatever we have in

909
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,440
our books. We can't we can't manufacture

910
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,960
a bigger fine fine. The fine is what it

911
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,319
is. Until that changes in the future,

912
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:04,800
all we have is what we have, the tools

913
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,240
we have to work with. Number three, I

914
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:10,000
think our ultimate goal, we are all

915
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,880
frustrated. I I I we sent we've been

916
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,760
talking about this for so long, but our

917
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,760
ultimate goal,

918
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,920
I hope, is that they finish the project.

919
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,720
Our ultimate goal is that they move this

920
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,000
along as quick as they can so we can get

921
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,599
a resolution. I think after November 15,

922
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,760
correct me, Madame Town Manager, they

923
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,599
can't do anything else. Is that correct?

924
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:36,480
>> That's correct.

925
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:36,880
>> So,

926
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,079
>> I'm sorry. After what?

927
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:39,839
>> November 15.

928
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:40,880
>> What is What does that say?

929
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,200
>> Exterior or interior?

930
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,800
>> That's exterior. That's when the

931
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,960
moratorium of road work because we start

932
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,559
plowing after the 15th of November.

933
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,160
>> No. What I'm suggesting is we do have

934
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,559
this mechanism. We gave them permission

935
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,280
to go until October 2nd and have the

936
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,160
scaffolding up. It's not up. It's it's

937
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,559
open to a work stoppage.

938
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,440
Our permit has now expired for the third

939
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,480
or fourth time. The approval by this

940
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,200
board is complete

941
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,240
and we have passed that time.

942
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,400
And so I believe and I would ask the

943
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,359
town meeting uh uh town manager to

944
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,400
confirm with town council. But if I'm in

945
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,319
if I'm accurate, I believe we have the

946
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,319
opportunity to now say your permit is

947
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,079
passed and you can't do any work

948
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:27,680
>> until you come before the board. And I

949
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,880
don't want to go to that extreme because

950
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,440
that's a two-e effort, but I think we

951
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,000
can impose some amount of uh we're we're

952
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,119
going to talk about other businesses

953
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:36,400
tonight where we're going to impact

954
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,000
their their ability to open or not.

955
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,520
>> Yeah, if you want to just stay on this

956
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,920
one for now, I totally agree. We can if

957
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,240
we don't renew their occup if we do not

958
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,720
that will be a work stoppage but my

959
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,160
point is by doing it now we are we are

960
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,720
giving them less chance to finishing

961
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,079
this project by November 15 and if they

962
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,720
don't finish then we'll have no choice

963
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,760
but to have that site work occupied

964
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,280
through the summer. So the more we can

965
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,960
allow them to finish it as quick as they

966
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,400
can and and again I'm very disappointed

967
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,800
but I want the project finished. So, um,

968
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,720
again, this is this board decision. I'll

969
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,319
entertain any motions,

970
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,800
>> but if we if we extend the if we extend

971
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,839
the date, we can't charge them the $20

972
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,160
because then they'll be in compliance.

973
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,240
The 20 that and that's a silly number

974
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,800
and we all know it. But, nonetheless,

975
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,599
I I would s I you know, I I want to see

976
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:43,839
something more substantial being done.

977
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:47,119
It is it is it is beyond it is beyond

978
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:48,960
acceptable that they just don't show up

979
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,000
and they don't care about the dates,

980
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,160
you know, or or they I shouldn't say

981
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,599
they don't care. It's they're not

982
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:57,440
targeting the dates. They they told us

983
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,040
when it would be done and we gave them

984
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,839
extra time after that after the third

985
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,440
time they've come to us and with miss

986
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,880
dates. We issue a permit. What we really

987
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,400
have to vote on tonight is whether we're

988
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,680
going to extend that permit or not.

989
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,520
>> If we don't extend the permit, then they

990
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,359
will have to pay the fine. That would be

991
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:15,599
the the the

992
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,520
so we can say we don't want

993
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,200
>> and but I believe that there's I believe

994
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,640
that there should be more than just $20

995
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,800
a day because that just invites anybody

996
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,079
who wants to blow past our dates and not

997
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:29,440
show up upon our request to just not

998
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,880
show up our request.

999
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,720
>> Fortunately, it seems like that's what

1000
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,599
we have in the books that we can use.

1001
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,920
That's the tool we have now. Until that

1002
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,960
changes, I think we don't renew it. We

1003
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,800
impose the fine until they open the

1004
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,280
sidewalk and if it goes past the 15,

1005
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,880
they'll pay the fine to the to the

1006
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:47,440
winter.

1007
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,559
>> Just looking at this.

1008
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:50,480
>> Uh, so I entertain a motion.

1009
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,119
>> I I'll Okay, I'll I'll offer a motion

1010
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:53,440
then.

1011
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:54,319
>> Did Mike say anything?

1012
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:55,280
>> Um, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

1013
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,800
>> Did Did I call on you, Mike?

1014
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:57,599
>> You did.

1015
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:57,920
>> Okay.

1016
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:58,480
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1017
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,319
>> Okay. I think I called on everyone. So,

1018
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:04,160
>> okay. Today is now uh October 6th.

1019
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,480
I'm going to suggest that we entertain a

1020
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:11,119
permit from October 12th until November

1021
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,720
15th,

1022
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,240
which means they have to stop work until

1023
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,400
October 12th. That's three days.

1024
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,480
That requires a work stoppage for 3 days

1025
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,160
that can be presented to them tomorrow.

1026
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,839
I actually I'll give the time man time

1027
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:24,559
to

1028
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,680
>> Today's the sixth,

1029
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,200
>> right? So if I'm counting the days as

1030
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:29,839
weekdays.

1031
00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:33,280
>> Okay. Okay. Sorry. So if we offer a

1032
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,119
permit from October 12th until November

1033
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,680
15th, that's our extension. That's our

1034
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,319
the board's ability.

1035
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:44,160
The 7th, 8th, and 9th is a work

1036
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,000
stoppage. They don't have a permit

1037
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,640
during that time.

1038
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,359
>> Mr. Chair,

1039
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:50,960
>> is that motion? Is there

1040
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,559
>> I made the motion. People can second for

1041
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:53,040
discussion.

1042
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,359
>> I'd like to make comment before we move

1043
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:56,240
forwards.

1044
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:56,960
>> Um

1045
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,640
>> but I'm not seconding.

1046
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,960
>> Okay. So there's no second. So the

1047
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,599
motion fell. Uh back to the board. Yes.

1048
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,400
>> I I I think you're on the right track.

1049
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,440
We want this project done.

1050
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,079
>> I don't want to give them permission to

1051
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:14,240
continue working, nor do I want to stop

1052
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,720
them. Let them continue working and be

1053
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,640
fined until they're done.

1054
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,880
>> Is that a motion to continue the fine

1055
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:21,920
until they're done?

1056
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,599
>> Correct. I'll second that.

1057
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,880
>> Okay. So I have a motion to continue the

1058
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,799
fine until they're done. That has been

1059
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:32,400
seconded. Any other discussions

1060
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,119
here? None. All those in favor say I. I.

1061
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:35,680
>> I.

1062
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,400
>> Oppose.

1063
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:36,960
>> No.

1064
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,240
>> So 41.

1065
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,319
>> Thank you.

1066
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:41,920
>> Can we send them a letter that we're

1067
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,920
very disappointed, Mr. Chairman?

1068
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:45,280
>> Sure.

1069
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,640
>> Do that.

1070
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,720
>> Thank you.

1071
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,559
>> We actually, Mr. Chairman, could I ask

1072
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,160
that we have them before us at the next

1073
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,520
meeting?

1074
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,520
I would like to have this discussion

1075
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,319
with them in the room and the fines or

1076
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:01,520
whatever it is. If they're done, they're

1077
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,640
done. If they're not, they're not. I

1078
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,599
want to know when it is going to be

1079
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,359
complete. We've given them an open and

1080
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,440
we've given them a blank check. They

1081
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,040
don't have to follow our rules. They

1082
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,240
don't have to follow our regulations.

1083
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:11,920
They don't have to follow our deadlines.

1084
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,119
And we've just told them keep going

1085
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,359
until you're done.

1086
00:57:15,359 --> 00:57:17,280
And I'm that's unacceptable to me. I

1087
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,520
want someone a represent I want one of

1088
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,079
the owners here not because I don't want

1089
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,680
to yell at the legal representation.

1090
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,839
That's unfair to that person or the

1091
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,680
general contractor. I want them here.

1092
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,400
Can we can I ask that the board or the

1093
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,160
through you that the we invite them to

1094
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,880
be here?

1095
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,640
>> I mean we could I mean I don't

1096
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,920
>> and if they blow us off again that's

1097
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:36,559
another indication.

1098
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,119
>> I think sending a firm letter in my

1099
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,200
opinion suffice. I mean what are they

1100
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,440
going to to say or do? We we want the

1101
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,040
project done.

1102
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,200
>> Um

1103
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,520
we just they just have to finish it.

1104
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,440
this has been going on too long and

1105
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,680
they have until the 15th of November. It has to be done. So

1106
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,680
>> it doesn't they could blow past that.

1107
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,359
They they don't they obviously

1108
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,280
>> and they'll keep paying the fines to

1109
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,920
them.

1110
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,920
>> I'm asking that they be before us on the

1111
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:09,359
agenda. If you want to choose not to

1112
00:58:09,359 --> 00:58:10,880
have that, that's your prerogative.

1113
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,359
>> Um I mean if the majority of the board

1114
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,040
think that's important, I would

1115
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:15,680
entertain that.

1116
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,839
>> At this point in time, it's meaningless.

1117
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,520
Okay.

1118
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,799
Pier

1119
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:22,640
>> I just want to see if there's no

1120
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,000
>> I think I just think [clears throat] we

1121
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,319
have to work on the uh fine schedule.

1122
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:30,319
>> Okay. Okay. I I I'll agree with that.

1123
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:35,990
Thank you, Madame Clerk.

1124
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:36,880
Number eight,

1125
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,319
>> a public hearing will be held under

1126
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:40,799
chapter 138 of the MGL to consider

1127
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,480
whether the license to sell alcohol

1128
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,359
beverages held by Toledo Damverse LLC

1129
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:47,280
doing business as Toito Mexican

1130
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,559
Restaurant 10 Newberry Street Ramone

1131
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,720
Michael Manager should be suspended,

1132
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,040
revoked, or limited in any way.

1133
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,119
>> Okay. Uh before before I'll just have

1134
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,520
the chief kind of update us on the

1135
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,520
findings.

1136
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,280
We're going to give you that before.

1137
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:10,470
>> Okay.

1138
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,960
What should I be see? You can look at

1139
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,691
that and let me know.

1140
00:59:16,691 --> 00:59:17,040
[clears throat]

1141
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,079
>> Yes, Chief.

1142
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:19,599
>> Uh, this is a followup to our August

1143
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,480
18th, 2026 meeting when we discussed the

1144
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,240
alcohol compliance checks during the

1145
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,040
summertime. So, on Monday, July 27th,

1146
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,599
2026, the D Police Department conducted

1147
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:31,280
routine alcohol compliance checks at

1148
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,680
licensed establishments throughout town.

1149
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,960
The goal of these are to promote

1150
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,319
responsible alcohol service in

1151
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,559
compliance with mass laws. During the

1152
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,240
operation, four establishments failed to

1153
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,160
verify identification of an 18-year-old

1154
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,799
participant. Neither sold or properly

1155
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:47,680
served them alcohol. The four businesses

1156
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,319
were J&J cuisine. They served a Coors

1157
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:52,799
Light draft. Capy's Liquor sold a

1158
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:55,359
six-ack of Budlight. Toito Mexican

1159
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:57,920
Restaurant provided a Budlight draft.

1160
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,160
And 466 Pub and Grill provided one Bud

1161
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,870
Light draft.

1162
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,200
Thank you, Chief. Um, so

1163
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,280
anybody here from Toledo?

1164
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:11,839
>> Yes.

1165
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,640
>> You want just go to the microphone and

1166
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,400
introduce yourself before you speak,

1167
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,880
please?

1168
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,470
>> Hi.

1169
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,599
» Edgar Martinez.

1170
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:24,720
>> Sure.

1171
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,910
>> Yes. Hi. Uh, good evening.

1172
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:35,119
So, uh, what what happened here?

1173
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:40,400
>> Well, uh, we had a bartender on that day

1174
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,950
that didn't card the person [music]

1175
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,280
and, um,

1176
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,040
it was our mistake. She's been working

1177
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,520
with us for a couple I think she was

1178
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,040
working for like a year

1179
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,000
and

1180
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,880
I think we just made she made a mistake

1181
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,079
that night.

1182
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,760
>> Okay.

1183
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,680
>> And we retrain everybody.

1184
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:11,040
We [music] purchase an uh

1185
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,160
a system that you have to stick the uh

1186
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,240
the ID in the machine. So I tell you

1187
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,839
exactly

1188
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:20,799
how is the person I train. We train we

1189
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:23,040
talk to everybody in the morning and

1190
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,000
dinner time lunch time to car everybody

1191
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,870
so we don't have that mistake again.

1192
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,839
» Okay. So since would you say you had

1193
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:35,920
training since this incident and you've

1194
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,359
purchased an a scanner since this

1195
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:39,920
happened?

1196
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:40,400
>> Right.

1197
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,520
>> Okay.

1198
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,240
>> I think Mr. Do you receive if you want

1199
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,160
to give that to madam clerk that's um

1200
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,880
the invoice for the ID scanner and

1201
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:50,880
training certifications and tip

1202
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,000
certifications.

1203
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,119
>> Okay. Thank you. Um just for the members

1204
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,240
of the board is is it appears that and

1205
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,440
uh for my record you had two prior

1206
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,640
suspension at this location.

1207
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,359
um after a December 20th, 2022

1208
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,520
compliance check,

1209
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,240
um a compliance check found on the H

1210
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,119
cell and the board held a hearing on

1211
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:18,960
March 7, 2023 and there was a vote, I

1212
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,720
believe it was 3 to2 at the time, to

1213
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,280
impose a one-day suspension served on

1214
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,240
March 21st, 2023.

1215
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,880
A second hearing on June 18, 2024

1216
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,880
addressed afterhour alcohol consumptions

1217
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,640
and resulted in a 3-day suspension serve

1218
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,119
from July 15 to the 17, 2024.

1219
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:43,680
>> Yes.

1220
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,599
>> Okay. Uh members of the board, any

1221
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,920
questions, comments? Uh I'll start by

1222
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,680
member Bernard.

1223
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,400
>> Okay. Well, you said that uh she made a

1224
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,200
mistake. Um hope you know hopefully they

1225
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,040
won't make any more mistakes. Um you've

1226
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,839
got the scanner so when someone comes in

1227
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,240
they ask everybody right everybody.

1228
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,359
>> They ask everybody and also in RPO

1229
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:10,400
system anybody that order a beer the

1230
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,440
server got to go in there and key the

1231
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,359
age

1232
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:18,480
uh the uh age for the person they they

1233
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,559
enter the birthday

1234
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:23,760
>> so the computer allowed to open and send

1235
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,640
the alcohol. So that reminds them also

1236
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:29,119
they need to check double reminds to

1237
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,640
check the ID.

1238
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,559
>> And how often do you do the training? Is

1239
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,640
it like quarterly, you know,

1240
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,720
semiannually? Are you and you're and

1241
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,079
you're there with the training?

1242
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,880
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We usually do every

1243
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,760
six months. [music]

1244
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,960
>> Okay. Good. Okay.

1245
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,359
>> Two times a year. Yeah.

1246
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,200
>> That's it, Mr. Chair. For me right now.

1247
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,119
>> Thank you. Uh member Bennett, back to

1248
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,520
>> your point of information. Are we

1249
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,640
addressing the alleged

1250
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,480
um recent violation and then are we

1251
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,559
going to address the one day that was

1252
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:01,520
held in obeyance

1253
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,079
>> different?

1254
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,000
>> They did not have they held in a ban

1255
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:04,240
here.

1256
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:04,799
>> They did not.

1257
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:08,169
>> Their last their last one was uh 2024.

1258
01:04:08,169 --> 01:04:08,240
[snorts]

1259
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:09,200
>> 2024. Okay.

1260
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,990
>> Yes.

1261
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:15,359
» I have no questions.

1262
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:18,000
>> Thank you. Member Bean.

1263
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,960
>> Um

1264
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,200
to to the clerk actually. Do you know

1265
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,119
the scanners? Are they 100%.

1266
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:29,520
>> I have no idea.

1267
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,440
>> The police chief.

1268
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,839
We don't know if they're 100%.

1269
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,520
>> Did they go to the through the registry

1270
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:36,640
of motor vehicles?

1271
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,400
>> I'm sure it's a database that they must

1272
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,000
acquire. I don't think it's actual live

1273
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,680
from the registry itself because

1274
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,960
information, but there must be some type

1275
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:43,280
of

1276
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:43,760
>> third party

1277
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,599
>> that reads the bio scanner and

1278
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:46,720
calculates the date of birth or

1279
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:47,839
something, but I don't think we

1280
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:48,480
register.

1281
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,160
>> Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, sir, you

1282
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,359
know, we're all trying to work together

1283
01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:56,240
here. You, us, we don't want to hurt

1284
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,319
anybody, but we can't, you know, we

1285
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,880
can't have that stuff uh happening. And

1286
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,640
you want to make a living.

1287
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:02,960
>> Correct.

1288
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,480
>> So, it puts us all in an awkward

1289
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,200
situation. So, I'm glad you bought the

1290
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,359
scanner. Uh, I'm glad you're doing the

1291
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:12,160
trainings. Um, not sure how this is

1292
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,400
going to go, but and I'm glad you're

1293
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,839
here tonight. Thank you.

1294
01:05:15,839 --> 01:05:17,359
>> Thank you.

1295
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:19,520
Member Tras.

1296
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,520
Um, so the statement was made, mistakes

1297
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,760
happen. In this case, mistakes can

1298
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,119
literally cause lives. Overserving or

1299
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,359
serving an a minor can cost someone

1300
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:33,440
their lives. And not not just the person

1301
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,400
who's being served, but innocent people.

1302
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,200
>> So, I take this very seriously and I I'm

1303
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,559
Your history is a spotted one. You've

1304
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,960
had you've served four days of

1305
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,960
suspension over the past two years,

1306
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,520
three years. Um, so it doesn't it

1307
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,440
doesn't feel to me like this is

1308
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,760
something that is

1309
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,480
key to to your training to to your to

1310
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,520
your uh auditing to whatever it might be

1311
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:02,720
that prevents you. It is your

1312
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,319
livelihood. I get that and I understand

1313
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:07,520
that that the um impact it will have on

1314
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,319
your business if we make a decision. Um

1315
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:12,240
I'm going to recommend one. I'm going to

1316
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,799
make a motion for a specific uh um

1317
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:17,520
decision. And I know from being on this

1318
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,960
board as long as I have been on this

1319
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,720
board that when you got that one day

1320
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,039
liquor license violation in 23, it was

1321
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,799
after you had another license another

1322
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:29,119
violation that we would have given you a

1323
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:30,960
day in obeyance or given you the warning

1324
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,520
shot. Warning shots are gone at this

1325
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,680
point for me. Um so I um did you say you

1326
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,359
just bought the scanner since this

1327
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:41,039
happened? We used to have an scanner and

1328
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,720
it broke off when we opened the

1329
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,720
restaurant in 2020.

1330
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:45,839
>> So you had a scanner?

1331
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,000
>> We had a scanner and it was like

1332
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,000
>> it had like

1333
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,680
it wasn't working for like a year. So I

1334
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,470
ordered another one.

1335
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,119
that that doesn't that doesn't mllify me

1336
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,720
in any manner because that means you

1337
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,640
went a year knowingly not having a

1338
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,160
scanner

1339
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,000
and your people obviously are not

1340
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,440
especially if they've worked there for a

1341
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,880
year that means that person must have

1342
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,160
gone through the training a couple of

1343
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,039
times based on your schedule

1344
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,079
and still miss the opportunity to do the

1345
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,720
right thing. Um,

1346
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,839
I I I'm each of these are going to be

1347
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:27,440
judged on their own merit and in this

1348
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,920
case the merit is you're a repeat

1349
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,160
offender as it were and I'm concerned

1350
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,680
about that.

1351
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,200
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll

1352
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,839
>> Thank you. Uh, this is a public hearing.

1353
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:39,839
Anybody in the public or the audience

1354
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:43,119
has any questions or comments?

1355
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:43,760
Hear none.

1356
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,839
>> Close the public hearing.

1357
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:46,960
>> Second the motion.

1358
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,720
>> All those in favor say I.

1359
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,039
>> I. Okay. back to the board.

1360
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,599
>> Mr. Chairman, I move we um initiate a

1361
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:58,559
3-day suspension to be served.

1362
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,000
>> Second.

1363
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,480
>> So, I have a motion and that has been

1364
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,760
seconded. Uh 3-day suspension to be

1365
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,599
served.

1366
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:10,720
Any other comments, questions?

1367
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,720
>> I'd make a mo I'd make a motion for a

1368
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,240
one-day suspension.

1369
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,200
>> Well, we have a motion.

1370
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,560
>> We have a motion on the table.

1371
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,080
>> You can you can make an amendment.

1372
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:19,692
>> Make an amendment. I'll amend it to one

1373
01:08:19,692 --> 01:08:21,279
[snorts] day.

1374
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,920
>> Okay. The motion has been amended to one

1375
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:25,759
day suspension to be served.

1376
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:26,960
>> To be served.

1377
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,799
>> Okay. Do I have a second?

1378
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,560
>> Hear none. So, we go back to the main

1379
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,400
motion which is a three-day suspension

1380
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,560
to be served. Any further questions?

1381
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:39,440
>> Comments?

1382
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:40,319
Yes.

1383
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:43,520
>> Thank you. Um,

1384
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,799
I always thought that the process with

1385
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:49,199
the police announcing, thank you,

1386
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:51,120
announcing that there'd be a compliance

1387
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,040
check. They get it through into as many

1388
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,400
business as they can. The majority

1389
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,279
do the right thing. They check the IDs.

1390
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,159
They don't serve the minor. But maybe

1391
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:07,199
we're not being thorough enough,

1392
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:10,000
demanding enough of our businesses if

1393
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,640
we're having four people the same

1394
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,319
compliance check fail. Two uh repeat

1395
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,279
vendors in the last year and this poor

1396
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:22,319
gentleman's business is a multi-time

1397
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,319
repeat.

1398
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:26,000
I that's why I'm supporting the three

1399
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,080
days served. Maybe by changing our

1400
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,040
thought process, we can stop these

1401
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,120
unfortunate incidents.

1402
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,719
>> And if I might, Mr. Chair, one of the

1403
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:38,400
reasons I also offered three days is I

1404
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:39,839
failed to mention that this was the same

1405
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:41,199
manager at the time of the other

1406
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:45,040
offenses. If we've given latitude if the

1407
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,719
business has changed hands or changed

1408
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:48,480
managers, we haven't held new managers

1409
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,080
accountable for old manager actions. In

1410
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:51,679
this case, it's the same manager.

1411
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:53,679
>> Okay. Thank you. Any further questions,

1412
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:57,280
comments? Uh, madame clerk, do do we

1413
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,600
have to choose the date in the motion or

1414
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,719
that happens after or does the motion

1415
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,320
how does that work?

1416
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,679
>> You could you could do it either way.

1417
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:06,320
You would want

1418
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,960
>> then I I I would I would I would enhance

1419
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,600
mine to say within 3 months

1420
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,510
and they can choose the date.

1421
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:16,880
» Who chooses the date?

1422
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,719
>> They they can choose the date.

1423
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:21,840
>> So what with town crack on the date? Is

1424
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,960
that what we're saying? I I'd rather

1425
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,520
take a vote on the original motion than

1426
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,800
talk about the dates.

1427
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,520
>> Okay. So, the original motion is to

1428
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,920
serve 3-day suspension.

1429
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:35,520
>> Mhm.

1430
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,480
>> Any further discussions?

1431
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:41,280
>> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I

1432
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:42,480
oppose.

1433
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:43,440
>> No.

1434
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,280
>> That's 41.

1435
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,480
>> As to dates, 3 months is a pretty long

1436
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:49,120
time.

1437
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,280
>> Okay. Shorten it. Give a date. I I I

1438
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,719
I'll go with it along with what you'd

1439
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:53,280
like.

1440
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,760
>> Um

1441
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,719
uh through you, Mr. Chair, to the clerk.

1442
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:01,679
Um what is the time limit on any appeals

1443
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:05,760
that they may or may not choose to?

1444
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,360
>> The license holder would have five

1445
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,440
business days from the receipt of the

1446
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:12,080
letter informing them of the decision.

1447
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,880
So if you were to go out say two weeks,

1448
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,400
that would give ample time for all of

1449
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,239
that to happen. So,

1450
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,560
>> and is the ABCC

1451
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,199
speedy enough to hear this?

1452
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:24,960
>> They would have to file it within five

1453
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,760
business days.

1454
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,880
>> Okay.

1455
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,679
>> With the ABC.

1456
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:32,000
>> Okay. So, if they What I'm saying is the

1457
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,920
ABCC could take an opportunity to

1458
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,199
overturn this. Certainly, we've had that

1459
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:36,320
happen in the past.

1460
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,159
>> Correct. And so do we wait for that to h

1461
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:41,840
so at the end of 5 days it would take

1462
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,480
effect or if they do appeal it do we

1463
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,000
have to wait a certain amount of time

1464
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880
before ABCC renders its decision?

1465
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,280
>> If they file an appeal with the ABCC

1466
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,000
within five business days that is like a

1467
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,040
stay of execution for the suspension.

1468
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,440
You would have to pause the suspension

1469
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:02,159
until the ABCC heard it. So I would

1470
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,960
motion that we have them serve the three

1471
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:09,440
days within starting in two weeks.

1472
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:10,800
>> What are we saying? Two weeks. What

1473
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:11,199
date?

1474
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,600
>> So this is today. Two weeks would be

1475
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,790
somewhere in here.

1476
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:20,560
» Yeah, I'll probably say I'll probably

1477
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:26,709
say um

1478
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:28,960
» maybe the 8 to the 10.

1479
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,400
>> Well, that's this is Sunday.

1480
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,080
>> Oh, no. um the nine.

1481
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,440
>> And now you're in November, right?

1482
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,080
>> Yeah. November 9th to November 11th.

1483
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:36,800
>> It's okay by me.

1484
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,480
>> It gives them ample time to

1485
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,719
>> 11 is a holiday, right?

1486
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,400
>> I don't know. Is it

1487
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,080
>> November 11th is Veterans Day?

1488
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,520
>> Veterans Day. So

1489
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:45,920
>> should

1490
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,400
>> they don't close on Veterans Day?

1491
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:49,120
>> Close or

1492
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,470
>> No.

1493
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:53,199
» So it's

1494
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:55,920
>> if if the motion's for 9 to Mr.

1495
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,320
Bernard's mo um sorry Mr. Bennett's

1496
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:00,320
motion is from 9th the 9th to 11th. I'm

1497
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:00,560
fine.

1498
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:01,600
>> I would be fine with that.

1499
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,800
>> I don't think so. You could ask.

1500
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,000
>> So, um, again, this this is the least

1501
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,080
favorite part of at least personally of

1502
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,719
my job and I'm sure most people here,

1503
01:13:12,719 --> 01:13:16,000
but serving to an underage even by our

1504
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,000
regulations is one of the worst thing

1505
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,679
that an an establishment could do

1506
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:24,480
>> and and we are hoping that maybe use

1507
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,719
these days for training or or whatever

1508
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:30,159
needs to happen just cut everybody. Uh

1509
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:33,199
we don't want to see this happen again.

1510
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:38,320
Um so we can say the nine to the 11.

1511
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,440
Um would that I think that works.

1512
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:42,640
>> I think that would work. I would suggest

1513
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,640
you vote on it just to make sure that

1514
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,000
>> So I entertain a motion then.

1515
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,760
>> My motion is they serve the three days

1516
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,000
November 9 to the 11th.

1517
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,120
>> Do I have a second?

1518
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:51,679
>> Second.

1519
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:53,920
>> Any other discussions? All those in

1520
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:54,880
favor say I.

1521
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,920
>> I. Just noted that it's Monday, Tuesday,

1522
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,120
Wednesday. Mhm.

1523
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:59,440
>> So,

1524
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:00,960
>> we can't be more lenient than that,

1525
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:01,520
Mike.

1526
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,040
>> Yeah. No, exactly. That's what I'm

1527
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,000
saying.

1528
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,120
>> That's [snorts] all. Thank you.

1529
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,880
>> Okay.

1530
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,280
>> So,

1531
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,040
>> all those in favor say I.

1532
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,960
>> I oppose.

1533
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:11,520
>> Okay.

1534
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,360
>> Marvin, you were you were Yes.

1535
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,560
>> You opposed. Thank you.

1536
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,400
>> 41.

1537
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:17,040
>> Thank you.

1538
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,040
>> Okay.

1539
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Thank you.

1540
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,239
>> Thank you.

1541
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:27,189
>> Next.

1542
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,560
A public hearing will be held under

1543
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,960
chapter 138 of the MGL to consider

1544
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:32,560
whether the license to sell alcohol

1545
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,040
beverages held by Danverse Cappies Inc.

1546
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,280
doing business as Cappy's Fine Wine and

1547
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:41,360
Spirits at 158 Andover Street. Barendra

1548
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,760
Patel manager should be suspended,

1549
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,960
revoked, or limited in any way.

1550
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:48,080
>> Yes, sir. You want to introduce

1551
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:48,880
yourself?

1552
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,480
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening,

1553
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:52,239
members of the board. Uh Tom Miller from

1554
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,320
Mcdermic Quilty, Miller and Hanley here

1555
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,600
uh in Boston here on behalf of uh Danver

1556
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,400
Cappy's Inc. Uh I'm joined tonight by

1557
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,320
Verendra Patel, the manager of record

1558
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,960
and owner uh as well as Brian Dodge, the

1559
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,000
clerk uh who was on that night uh who

1560
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,440
was working that night. Um Verendra and

1561
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,360
the Cappy's team wanted me to reiterate

1562
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,640
that they do understand the

1563
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,320
responsibility and the privilege of

1564
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,552
selling alcohol. Um

1565
01:15:19,552 --> 01:15:20,159
[snorts]

1566
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,800
this incident on the 28th was an

1567
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,400
outlier. Uh if you ask Brian um he would

1568
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,719
say it was a lapse of judgment. He has

1569
01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:30,880
worked at Kappies for more than a

1570
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,120
decade. Uh eight years of which he was a

1571
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,320
manager. He understands the

1572
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,640
responsibilities. He understood what was

1573
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:37,679
supposed to happen, what's supposed to

1574
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:40,960
be done, and he just had a bad night and

1575
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,719
he made a mistake. Um he, you know, I

1576
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:46,560
lucky him. I got to ask him a bunch of

1577
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,400
questions and he did not have a good

1578
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,880
explanation as to why it happened. Just

1579
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,199
made a mistake and unfortunately that's

1580
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:56,719
why we're here tonight. Um

1581
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:00,480
to that end he uh about a year ago he

1582
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:02,000
stopped working full-time at Cappies as

1583
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,080
he found another full-time job after

1584
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,920
this incident. He felt that he had left

1585
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,400
uh Mr. let Mr. Patel and Cappies in

1586
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,239
general down and he decided he was no

1587
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:11,520
longer going to work there and do this

1588
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,880
anymore of his own valition. Um after

1589
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,159
the incident uh Mr. or sorry I apologize

1590
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:20,880
uh Mr. Patel uh has retrained his staff.

1591
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040
He has emphasized the importance of

1592
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,560
checking every ID every time. Um he

1593
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,000
reaffirmed it all and uh re reertified

1594
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,080
every staff member with tips training.

1595
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:36,640
Um he continues to uh remind every staff

1596
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,199
member before every shift that every ID

1597
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:43,360
every person every time. Um and that's

1598
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,120
not just check ID, it's scan ID as well.

1599
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,880
They do have a scanner and operate them

1600
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,920
as well uh operate as well. Um and they

1601
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,040
have also uh at at the suggestion um of

1602
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,120
the town provided signage and place

1603
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,040
signage around the store reminding all

1604
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,719
those who come in that ID for everybody

1605
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:01,840
will be checked every time. Um

1606
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,840
I just I know you have a long agenda

1607
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,840
tonight so I will not keep going on but

1608
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,283
overall Mr. Mr. Patel and his staff

1609
01:17:08,283 --> 01:17:10,000
[music] understand

1610
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,800
what happened, not exactly why, but

1611
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,320
there was a lapse in judgment and they

1612
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,159
are and to that [music] end, they are

1613
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:18,320
working very hard to correct that action

1614
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,760
and make sure that it doesn't happen

1615
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,480
again going forward. Um, with that, I'd

1616
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:23,760
be happy to answer any questions you

1617
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:24,320
have.

1618
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:28,480
>> Sure. Thank you. Uh so just uh to remind

1619
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:33,520
the board um on June 3rd, 2025 and under

1620
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,040
age patron purchase alcohol without age

1621
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,960
verification. Uh during uh an August 12,

1622
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,719
2025 hearing, the board found that um

1623
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:48,159
existing safeguards had failed. The

1624
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,640
board voted to impose a one-day

1625
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:54,400
suspension held in a ban for 12 months.

1626
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,679
So that was August 12, 2025.

1627
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:00,400
Um, so the current violation occur on

1628
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:05,120
July 27, 2026 and the store again on

1629
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,239
that day sold alcohol to a person under

1630
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,600
21 year without requesting

1631
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,520
identification while the 2025 suspension

1632
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,159
was still in the bands. Uh, board

1633
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,159
members questions, comments, I will

1634
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,400
start by member Task.

1635
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:27,440
>> Thank you. Um, and I think that uh

1636
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:31,679
I I I look to the board's thoughts on uh

1637
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:33,280
I'm going to treat these as two separate

1638
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:34,800
things. The held in obeyance as opposed

1639
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,600
to the this incident. Um I'm going to

1640
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,960
suggest that the um within a year is

1641
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,480
unacceptable.

1642
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,159
Um and well it's just just just over a

1643
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,840
year. This happened I'm sorry, what date

1644
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,480
did this happen on? Most recent event

1645
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:50,960
>> July.

1646
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,679
27th.

1647
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:53,440
So it was within the one

1648
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,640
year. Um so the one day held in obeyance

1649
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,520
is fade to complete. It's there is no

1650
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,040
argument of that one. There's no debate

1651
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,480
of that one. There's no appeal for that

1652
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:05,280
one to the ABCC. That was accepted as a

1653
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,640
condition of our of the board back then

1654
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,719
in in um a August. Um, so, um, this is a

1655
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:17,199
repeat offense and I'm concerned about a

1656
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:18,640
repeat offense in such a short time

1657
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,159
frame and I appreciate that it could be

1658
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:27,840
the lapse of one person. Um, and uh, each of these are going to be

1659
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:29,280
different scenarios with different

1660
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,520
factors, but I'll I'll hold till to make

1661
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,920
a a motion later. Thank you.

1662
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,159
>> Mr. Chair, I apologize and I don't mean

1663
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:37,600
to interrupt. Uh, just to address one

1664
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,080
concern.

1665
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,560
>> No, hold on. Uh, do you have a question

1666
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,440
for him? No, if I I would like to

1667
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,880
address something that Mr. Tras brought

1668
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:45,199
up.

1669
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,520
>> I'll give you a chance to if you want to

1670
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,960
shove down some notes, I'll give you a

1671
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,480
chance to address that in a minute.

1672
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,320
Member Bean

1673
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,679
>> uh Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um do you folks

1674
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:57,920
use the scanner all the time or um

1675
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,199
>> how's that work?

1676
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:06,320
>> The the goal is that uh but as the um

1677
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:09,760
it doesn't happen all the time. uh um

1678
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,880
customers, anyone under you know looking

1679
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,040
young the ID is asked for it is checked

1680
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,840
it um to the extent the clerks remember

1681
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,400
prior to this incident scanner wasn't

1682
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,320
used as much as it should have been uh

1683
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,679
after this incident it has been um Mr.

1684
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:27,440
Patel and his staff have reiterated

1685
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:30,560
the fact that this every time uh ID is

1686
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,610
checked it a scam. Uh it the

1687
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:38,000
[clears throat] since last year uh the

1688
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,679
staff received um push back from

1689
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:45,280
customers who felt they were uh of a

1690
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,880
certain vintage that they did not need

1691
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,440
to be IDed. uh they were resentful of

1692
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:52,480
that fact. Uh and um expressed that to

1693
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:56,320
staff uh in ways that were not always um

1694
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:58,239
courteous. Uh Mr. Patel has actually

1695
01:20:58,239 --> 01:20:59,840
lost staff because of that. [music] Uh

1696
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,360
they did not like the way the way they

1697
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,360
were addressed. Uh that did cause some

1698
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,440
staff members to stop asking people for

1699
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,080
IDs during [music] times uh during that process. Uh since that time

1700
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,400
again has been reiterated and staff is

1701
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,679
now IDing and scanning. Um the scanners

1702
01:21:15,679 --> 01:21:17,520
are you know to address something that

1703
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,461
came up they are not uh 100% um they

1704
01:21:20,461 --> 01:21:22,320
[clears throat] they depending on the

1705
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,199
scanner you purchase uh none of them

1706
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:27,040
actually directly access at least the

1707
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,360
Massachusetts registry uh because of as

1708
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,800
the chief expressed Corey and um uh

1709
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,000
privacy laws uh they read the barcodes

1710
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,080
on the back the QR the it's not a QR

1711
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,560
code but the matrix on the back to check

1712
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,679
and see uh if they appear to be valid.

1713
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,360
Um,

1714
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,760
some will access publicly available data

1715
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,360
from other states depending on which

1716
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,760
model you buy, uh, and who what states

1717
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,320
they have contracts with. Um, but no, no

1718
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:55,760
scanner is 100% effective.

1719
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,920
>> How long does the scan take?

1720
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,360
>> Uh, anywhere from depending on the way,

1721
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,239
not not quite 20 years, but um,

1722
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,800
depending on the the type of scanner, it

1723
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,480
can be instantaneous. It's just reading

1724
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:09,679
the material in the back and not

1725
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:13,440
actually checking anything up to uh

1726
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:16,159
couple up to a minute maybe depending.

1727
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,320
>> Okay. All right. No, that's all my

1728
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,520
questions. Thank you.

1729
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,520
>> Thank you. Uh member Bennett.

1730
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,080
>> Thank you. As I recall, when Mr. Patel

1731
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,960
was before us last year, um he blamed

1732
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,280
himself because he was in the back room

1733
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,080
when the incident happened and he

1734
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,760
assured us that these things would not

1735
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,560
happen again. Yet, here he is. I'm going

1736
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,120
to recommend that um we have them

1737
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:39,600
served.

1738
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,760
>> Uh hold on. Before you make the motion,

1739
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,440
if we can hear from everyone.

1740
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:44,000
>> Okay.

1741
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,920
>> So, any questions for the

1742
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,360
>> Well, I have no questions,

1743
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:48,960
>> member. Um

1744
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,600
>> yeah, we talk about mistakes again. Um

1745
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,159
the training have pe has your staff been

1746
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:55,440
trained again?

1747
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:56,080
>> Yes.

1748
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:58,239
>> I have certification for

1749
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,320
>> how often do they get trained?

1750
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,320
>> I mean, he reiterates every before every

1751
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,960
shift the the requirements. Uh there you

1752
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,520
have the the books available for ID, you

1753
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,320
know, checking and the use of the the

1754
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:14,159
>> um scanner is is uh anytime any staff

1755
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:17,120
member has a question, he goes over the training on that again as well.

1756
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:18,960
>> And he's present at the training. He

1757
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,639
conducts the training himself.

1758
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:21,440
>> Conduct the training.

1759
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:21,840
>> Yeah.

1760
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:22,239
>> Yes.

1761
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:24,080
>> Okay. All right. That's it. Dave for

1762
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:24,400
now.

1763
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,159
>> Thank you. Uh so this is a public

1764
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,639
hearing. Anybody in the public who has a

1765
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:30,960
questions, comments

1766
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,239
close them public.

1767
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:34,000
>> Second the motion. Yep. All those in

1768
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,480
favor say I. I oppos. Okay. 50. Uh yes,

1769
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,239
you had a comment.

1770
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:41,520
>> Yeah. Just related to

1771
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:42,560
>> address it to the chair, please.

1772
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,120
>> Yes, Mr. Chair, through you. Um just to

1773
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,840
address the uh the previous incident. Uh

1774
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,920
that incident occurred in June, I

1775
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,719
believe June 25th of 2025 uh or

1776
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:55,360
thereabouts. And the the

1777
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,760
um violation was found in August. uh to

1778
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,320
that end. You know, this incident took

1779
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:03,920
place in July, more than a year past the

1780
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,520
other incident, and we are hearing more

1781
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,560
than a year beyond. Um the the year in

1782
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,360
obeyance has uh expired based on those

1783
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:12,719
timelines. [music] No violation was

1784
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,800
found in the year since the board issued

1785
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,480
their decision last year.

1786
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:17,280
>> We issued

1787
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:18,880
>> Hold on, hold on. I don't think he's

1788
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:19,679
done.

1789
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:23,840
>> So, and the you issued your decision in

1790
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,239
August and the no violation was found

1791
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:27,679
during [music] the year during that

1792
01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:30,239
period. we are here today whether the

1793
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,400
board finds a violation or not to that

1794
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,520
end just just

1795
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,159
lay out the the timeline and and the the

1796
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:39,600
standards so to speak.

1797
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:40,159
>> Okay.

1798
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:43,120
>> Can I ask for clarity Mr. Chairman when

1799
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,920
the issue that we are here tonight for

1800
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,000
what was the date of the compliance

1801
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:51,520
check? So the

1802
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,400
if I'm understanding what he's saying,

1803
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:58,159
the prior compliance check was on June

1804
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,320
3rd, 2025.

1805
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,280
>> We made a decision.

1806
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,600
on August 12th

1807
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,000
>> in the in the one-year start the time we

1808
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,400
make that decision. I'm asking you what

1809
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:10,719
was the date of this year's compliance?

1810
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:12,000
>> July 27th.

1811
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,800
>> So it was in within the year from the

1812
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,920
August date in which we imposed the the

1813
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,080
decision. That's correct. So, uh, and I

1814
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,719
don't know if this is Sorry to put you

1815
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:25,679
on the spot here, J or Madame Town

1816
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:28,880
Clerk. What the applicant is arguing is

1817
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,440
that the prior decision, and I don't

1818
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:33,600
know if it's for the chief, the prior

1819
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,560
violation occur on June 3rd, 2025.

1820
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:43,280
The hearing was in August, August 12th.

1821
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:47,120
So what he's arguing is that from June

1822
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:51,199
3rd to July 27 is more than one year. So

1823
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,600
is the one year based on the day the

1824
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,440
hearing was held or is it based on the

1825
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,760
day the violation occur?

1826
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,880
>> Tom Clark can answer.

1827
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,840
>> Chief Chief, can you enlight us on that?

1828
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,400
Um

1829
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:05,520
>> again, that would probably be a question

1830
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,239
for legal counsel. Um my opinion would

1831
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:09,120
be

1832
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,679
>> the due process reasons if we

1833
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:14,320
>> just implemented it based on my original

1834
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,800
report and not had a hearing for him to

1835
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,480
have a say I think that would have been

1836
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:20,400
fair. I think the date that we used

1837
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:21,760
provided him opportunity to come in

1838
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,239
speak to the board discuss what steps he

1839
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:25,920
took and the board made a decision.

1840
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,360
Again I would recommend legal counsel

1841
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,520
make a final ruling but I would think

1842
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,840
that would be from the date of the

1843
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:33,440
>> the the the hearing.

1844
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:34,960
>> Thank you. I think madame clerk might

1845
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,320
have some information on that.

1846
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,000
>> I do. I have the minutes from the

1847
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,679
meeting from Octo uh August 12, 2025 and

1848
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:44,080
the minutes indicate that it was to

1849
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,159
impose a one-day suspension held in

1850
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,880
obeyance for 12 months from the date of

1851
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,199
the letter following tonight's meeting.

1852
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:52,080
>> Mhm.

1853
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,199
>> Which would have made it

1854
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:55,040
>> and Mr. Chair through you I I

1855
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,040
>> hold on if you can finish that please.

1856
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,239
>> Um second and and um and voted.

1857
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:01,120
>> Okay.

1858
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,080
So the the the minute reflects that it

1859
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,199
was 12 years 12 months I'm sorry date of

1860
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:07,679
the letter

1861
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:10,639
>> from August 12, 2025.

1862
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:11,120
>> Mhm.

1863
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,400
>> Okay. Thank you.

1864
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:12,800
>> Yes.

1865
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,520
>> Just my point being um No, as of

1866
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,000
tonight, you know, as of yesterday or as

1867
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,239
of assuming the letter came seven days

1868
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:25,520
later, uh August 19th was when the year

1869
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,400
started. The year ended on August 19th

1870
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,199
of this year. The dec any violation will

1871
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:34,080
be found as of tonight

1872
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,440
15 14 months after that August date.

1873
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,760
That is my

1874
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,480
>> if I could let him speak. I'm sorry.

1875
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,440
>> That's it. So that that the

1876
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:46,719
>> from the point

1877
01:27:46,719 --> 01:27:48,560
>> where the violation is found, no new

1878
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:49,920
violation has been found within that

1879
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,120
year. That was

1880
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,920
>> okay. I I think I think I think that's

1881
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,040
your interpretation. um based on our

1882
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,159
minutes and um the regulations and based

1883
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:05,360
on the minutes of the meeting of August

1884
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,159
12.

1885
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,040
>> Mhm.

1886
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:10,400
>> We did indicate that it was 12 months as

1887
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,800
of August 12, 2025 and that's the

1888
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:17,760
decision this board can make. We can we can say 18 months, we can say 6

1889
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:18,639
months.

1890
01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:21,199
>> So we are not bound by any 12 months. We

1891
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:24,800
had decided that it was starting, it

1892
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,719
doesn't matter when you got the letter,

1893
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:30,320
it was starting on August 12, 2025.

1894
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:34,400
July 27, 2026 is within one year. And

1895
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,840
that's what we're going to go by.

1896
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:36,159
>> Okay.

1897
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:37,920
>> Could I ask you through through you to

1898
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,679
the town clerk to just read the motion

1899
01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:41,199
again because I think that will add

1900
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:42,639
clarity.

1901
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:48,310
>> The the the uh motion that was made.

1902
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,400
» Select board member Jooko. Motion to

1903
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,400
impose a 1-day suspension held in

1904
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,360
obeyance for 12 months from the date of

1905
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,560
the letter following tonight's meeting

1906
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,639
seconded by select board member Bennett

1907
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:02,560
and voted 32.

1908
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,120
>> Okay. So that means 5 days after that

1909
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,080
date when they received the letter.

1910
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,880
That's the start point. The end point is

1911
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,159
one year from that if there was an

1912
01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:13,760
infraction within that year. Doesn't

1913
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,679
matter that we're hearing this several

1914
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:17,920
weeks later. The infraction happened

1915
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,239
within the 12 months. A second

1916
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,719
infraction happened within 12 months.

1917
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:25,760
And that's the case. Had they come

1918
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,760
before us tonight and and said they were

1919
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:33,520
not responsible for tonight's though the most recent event, we would have a

1920
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,120
different discussion, but they've

1921
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:37,360
admitted to the that it happened and it

1922
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:39,679
happened within the actual offense

1923
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:41,199
happened within the year.

1924
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,120
>> Yeah. No, I I think I think that's what

1925
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,880
a minute reflects and that's what we

1926
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,760
will go by. Obviously, they have uh an

1927
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,800
opportunity to appeal to the ABC. I will

1928
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,520
entertain a motion.

1929
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,960
>> Did Dan, did you say you had wanted a

1930
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:57,760
motion?

1931
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,600
>> Well, we have uh two issues here.

1932
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,840
>> The first one is the day that was held

1933
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,360
in obeyance that needs to be served and

1934
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,360
then we need to discuss and make a

1935
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,560
motion on the second of

1936
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:11,760
>> All right. Then I'd like to make a

1937
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:13,520
motion that we that we u

1938
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,199
>> well we can make it in the same motion.

1939
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:18,000
>> No, I I think for clarity I if you don't

1940
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,280
mind I'd like to make it two different

1941
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:25,199
things. So the first motion would be to suspend the license for one day to be

1942
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:27,920
served two weeks from two weeks from now

1943
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:28,880
whatever the date is.

1944
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,880
>> I think we had decide we can do the date

1945
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,400
after. So we just do the motion for the

1946
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,560
suspension if any and then we can do

1947
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:37,280
another one for the

1948
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,440
>> I move we impose the one-day suspension

1949
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,360
for the previous infraction

1950
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,960
>> to be served.

1951
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,560
>> Second.

1952
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:50,480
>> Okay. Any further discussions?

1953
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:53,120
Hear none. All those in favor say I.

1954
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:53,920
>> I.

1955
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,600
recom then I would like to motion that

1956
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,040
we do that two weeks from now.

1957
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,159
>> That was 50 correct.

1958
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,480
>> Okay. Thank you. two weeks from now

1959
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,800
pending their opportunity to go to the

1960
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,320
ABCC, but I don't believe that's an

1961
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,080
opportunity at this point. But I I'm not

1962
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,120
going to fall on

1963
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,239
>> talking about the date.

1964
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:08,639
>> Yes.

1965
01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:14,070
>> Okay. So, um

1966
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,159
if if you're going exactly two weeks, it

1967
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:18,080
would be October

1968
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,360
20th.

1969
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,560
>> It doesn't have to be exact.

1970
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,880
>> So, that's October 20th.

1971
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:24,719
>> I like November 13th.

1972
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:25,840
>> Okay.

1973
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,199
November 13th is a Friday. Is that where

1974
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:30,320
you're going with that?

1975
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:31,040
>> Yes.

1976
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:34,800
>> I amend my motion to November 13th then.

1977
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:35,600
>> The 13th.

1978
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,120
>> I mean, we did the other one from the

1979
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,760
9th to the 11th. Can we do the nine?

1980
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,199
>> Well, the 11th I thought was a

1981
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:42,719
>> It's a holiday, Veterans Day.

1982
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:43,600
>> Is it a Wednesday?

1983
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,239
>> Wednesday. Yeah.

1984
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,239
>> Okay. So, I was Thursday would be the

1985
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:48,320
12th.

1986
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,960
>> It's a different scenario.

1987
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,120
I I agree. I So, I'll amend what I uh

1988
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,199
motion to be the 12th. November 12th to

1989
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:59,510
be served on November 12th.

1990
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,040
» So who made the motion?

1991
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,080
>> I did.

1992
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:02,800
>> I second.

1993
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,719
>> Are you second? Okay. Any further

1994
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:07,830
discussions?

1995
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,400
» The chair can amend the motion, right?

1996
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:11,120
>> Sure.

1997
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,000
>> I amend that we put it on the nine which

1998
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,679
is when we starting the previous uh

1999
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:19,920
the previous one [clears throat]

2000
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,750
Monday the 9.

2001
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,159
Someone has to second my motion or

2002
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,960
>> No, they [laughter] don't have to.

2003
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,480
>> So, we're not hearing a second.

2004
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:31,440
>> I'll second that.

2005
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:32,239
>> Okay.

2006
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,840
>> Someone It's a Monday the 9th.

2007
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:35,280
>> Yeah. Monday the 9th.

2008
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,440
>> Okay.

2009
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:40,239
So, the motion has been seconded.

2010
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:42,880
So, we doing the we're having them serve

2011
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,360
the one day in the main on November the

2012
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:46,719
9.

2013
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:48,639
>> Serving the one day. Yes. Serving not

2014
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:49,679
the invance.

2015
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:52,000
>> Any other discussions?

2016
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,280
All those in favor say I. I.

2017
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,159
>> Okay.

2018
01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:56,639
>> Whoops.

2019
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:57,679
>> So that was five.

2020
01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:59,600
>> Looks like it was three. I was going to

2021
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:00,239
say no.

2022
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:01,360
>> I Yes.

2023
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,199
>> So is that 5 or

2024
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:04,400
>> no?

2025
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,040
>> So 41.

2026
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:05,840
>> I'm saying no.

2027
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:06,239
>> Okay.

2028
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:07,120
>> Did Dan say yes?

2029
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:07,520
>> Yes.

2030
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,040
>> Okay. I just couldn't. Okay. Fine.

2031
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,600
>> 41. 41 ask. Okay. Thank you.

2032
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,120
>> Or the nine. Monday the nine.

2033
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,840
>> Monday the 9th. Yep. And now on the

2034
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,000
issue before us this evening, uh, for

2035
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,320
the most recent, uh, I move we give them

2036
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,080
a three-day uh, suspension, two days to

2037
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,080
be held in advance, one day to be

2038
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:31,430
served.

2039
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:32,560
» Second.

2040
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,239
>> Three days. Three days.

2041
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:35,679
>> Three days in a

2042
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:38,719
>> two in advance, one to be served.

2043
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:42,880
>> We consider abance to be 24 months.

2044
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:43,360
12

2045
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:43,920
>> 12 12

2046
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:44,800
>> 12 months

2047
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:45,760
>> only 12

2048
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,880
>> yeah we the clock is if you if you're

2049
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:49,920
within a year

2050
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:51,679
>> so I think we should stay steady with

2051
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:53,199
that we've done it for 20 something

2052
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:53,679
years

2053
01:33:53,679 --> 01:33:55,120
>> as of today

2054
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,480
>> as of the five as of the 5 days after

2055
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,270
the clerk gets the letter out

2056
01:34:00,270 --> 01:34:02,080
[clears throat] so as of tonight plus

2057
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:06,400
the the recorded date 12 months two days

2058
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,239
held in obeyance for 12 months one day

2059
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:09,120
to be served

2060
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,920
>> so today's the Six.

2061
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:12,960
>> Would you go with that one?

2062
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:15,600
>> So, as of the 10

2063
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,239
>> or the they're going to serve that.

2064
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,600
>> When do we start the 12 months?

2065
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:23,600
>> Oh, well, I get the letter out.

2066
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:23,920
>> Yeah.

2067
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,560
>> So, today is the 6th.

2068
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,560
>> 1 2

2069
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,590
3.

2070
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,840
I mean, they'll have it by the 13th.

2071
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,440
>> So, as of the 13th. So, the

2072
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:37,760
>> So, as of November 13th, 2027.

2073
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,040
>> October 13. You mean

2074
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,880
>> October 13, 2027.

2075
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,159
>> Okay. So 12 months

2076
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:44,880
>> student obeyance until October 13, 2027.

2077
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:45,120
C

2078
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,520
>> can I amend that?

2079
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,880
>> So that has been seconded, right?

2080
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,639
>> Madame Cler, did you get can you get

2081
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:54,639
clarification on that motion? Do you did

2082
01:34:54,639 --> 01:34:55,600
do you have it?

2083
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,360
>> The motion right now is a 3-day

2084
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,320
suspension, one day to be served,

2085
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,880
two held in obeyance

2086
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,440
um through October 13, 2027.

2087
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,639
And can for complete clarity another

2088
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:12,639
infraction

2089
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:16,080
by that date because I don't want to

2090
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,080
have this other discussion about when we

2091
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,320
hear it

2092
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,080
without another incident before that

2093
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:22,800
date.

2094
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,320
>> That's what heling the being.

2095
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,920
>> Okay. All right. Then leave it the way

2096
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:26,400
it is.

2097
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,400
>> Okay. And you have a

2098
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:29,679
>> can I make an amendment?

2099
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:30,560
>> Sure.

2100
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:35,990
>> So uh the three days held in abance.

2101
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,520
So

2102
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,880
member bean is amending to

2103
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,520
give three days all three days held in

2104
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,679
the ban.

2105
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:48,320
>> Do I have a second?

2106
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,159
>> Second.

2107
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:54,880
>> Okay. So the amendment has been seconded

2108
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,639
and I don't think I've been doing that.

2109
01:35:56,639 --> 01:35:58,400
So let's vote on the amendment.

2110
01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:58,960
>> Comments

2111
01:35:58,960 --> 01:35:59,600
>> as amended.

2112
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:00,320
>> Comments.

2113
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,719
>> Let's vote as amended. Yes. Comments.

2114
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:03,679
>> Comments as amended.

2115
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:07,040
>> Yes. Uh I was specific in my uh uh my

2116
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,679
choice on what I uh um originally

2117
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:11,920
motioned because this is a repeat

2118
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:17,199
offender. They're going to serve the the we gave them the latitude a year

2119
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:19,199
ago.

2120
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,199
Didn't happen. Failed. This is a repeat

2121
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:22,880
offender. And I didn't want to go too

2122
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,600
heavy-handed on them for 3 days suspend

2123
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,840
three days to be held. I thought this

2124
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:30,480
was a decent middle ground. And um I

2125
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:32,080
think we're taking a step backward if we

2126
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:33,679
then go back to 3 days held in the

2127
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,280
bands.

2128
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,679
>> Thank you. Any further discussions

2129
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:42,400
here? None. I mean I I do think either

2130
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,360
way

2131
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,840
the the idea here just so you understand

2132
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,560
Mr. Patel is it's not to punish

2133
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,560
businesses. I mean we want to be a town

2134
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,960
that is businessfriendly. We just want

2135
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,400
to make sure it's done safely.

2136
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,719
especially when it comes to our kids. Um

2137
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:05,119
so the idea is not that we want to

2138
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:08,400
punish but unfortunately when things

2139
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,800
like this happen we we have to make sure

2140
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,440
that people are held accountable.

2141
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:14,960
So

2142
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,280
if we give three days and you serve one

2143
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:19,840
now and two in a ban that means that

2144
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,560
within 12 months if you do it again then

2145
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,960
you serve the other two days. If we give

2146
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,600
three days head in a ban, that means

2147
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,760
within 12 months, if it happens again,

2148
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:31,920
you're serving three days. So, you're

2149
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:33,679
still going to serve three days within

2150
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:36,560
the next 12 months if this happen again

2151
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,800
regardless of either one of these

2152
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,520
motions. Uh just so you see how serious

2153
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,400
and important this is. uh from my

2154
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,119
perspective because we want to make sure

2155
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,520
that it doesn't happen that you do the

2156
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,920
training I would I'm leaning towards

2157
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:58,159
supporting the amended motion. Um but

2158
01:37:58,159 --> 01:37:59,920
just understand that it means if it

2159
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:01,440
happens again you're going to serve all

2160
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:05,920
three days no questions asked.

2161
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,520
>> Mr. Chair and I appreciate the no

2162
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,360
questions asked but there's questions

2163
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,239
asked.

2164
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:11,520
>> The one day that we already held in the

2165
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:12,719
bay shouldn't even be a discussion

2166
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:15,440
tonight. That should be if done but

2167
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,639
>> but we're enforcing it. So we people can

2168
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:20,320
always ask questions but we will still

2169
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,560
come down to whatever the regulation

2170
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,040
says. So I do have an amended motion. So

2171
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,440
I'll go on and proceed with a vote. All

2172
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,600
those in favor of the amended motion to

2173
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,880
have the three days held in the ban say

2174
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,360
I. I oppose.

2175
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:36,719
>> No.

2176
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:37,520
>> That's 32.

2177
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:38,159
>> 32.

2178
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:40,400
>> Yes. And that date was going to be the

2179
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,320
held in obeyance is going through

2180
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,480
October 13 of 2027.

2181
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:45,360
>> That's correct.

2182
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,360
>> Thank you.

2183
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,119
>> Okay. Thank you.

2184
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:54,870
>> Thank you.

2185
01:38:54,880 --> 01:39:02,709
Next,

2186
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:04,239
a public hearing will be held under

2187
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:06,480
chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider

2188
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:08,320
whether the license to sell alcoholic

2189
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,119
beverages by US Sushi Inc. Doing

2190
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:14,560
business as J&J Asian Cuisine and Lounge

2191
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,639
at 156 Andover Street. Sheilong who

2192
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:21,119
manager should be suspended, revoked or

2193
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:24,480
limited in any way.

2194
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:25,119
>> Okay.

2195
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:27,199
>> Hi, good evening. Yes, my name is Shong

2196
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:28,080
Hill.

2197
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,310
>> Um,

2198
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:35,119
» so um just

2199
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:37,119
some information from to the board

2200
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:41,280
members. So on November 12th, 2025, an

2201
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,000
underage patron purchased

2202
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,920
uh a buttlight at the bar without being

2203
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,880
asked for identification. During the

2204
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,320
December 16, 2025 hearing, the board

2205
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,320
reviewed the license corrective actions

2206
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:02,000
and staff training, noting no documented

2207
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,800
issues since the license was issued in

2208
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,520
2024. So that was their first one and

2209
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,480
the board voted voted 50 to impose a

2210
01:40:10,480 --> 01:40:13,600
1-day suspension held in a ban for one

2211
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,800
year. So the current violation occur on

2212
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,760
July 27, 2026

2213
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:24,560
approximately 7 months into uh the the

2214
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,639
period the grace period that they were

2215
01:40:26,639 --> 01:40:29,119
given and the staff members serve

2216
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:33,280
alcohol to a person under 21 without uh

2217
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,159
identifications. So board members any

2218
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:38,480
questions comments? Member Bean,

2219
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:41,360
>> Mr. Chairman, can we hear from the Sure

2220
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,040
whether they've taken some remediation

2221
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:43,760
or whatever?

2222
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,920
>> Sure. Uh so what happened here and what

2223
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,239
are you doing about it? Thank you member

2224
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:49,360
T.

2225
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,800
>> Uh in that day the bartender he make uh

2226
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:58,159
he failed he make a mistake and

2227
01:40:58,159 --> 01:41:02,639
my manager and me it also was there but

2228
01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:07,920
happens happen. So, so sorry about that.

2229
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,960
And we later we we also have a

2230
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,000
retraining for everybody and the tape

2231
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,480
certificate right over here.

2232
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:17,760
>> Could I ask you to move closer to the

2233
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,119
microphone? It's hard to hear you. I'm

2234
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:19,520
sorry.

2235
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:20,480
>> Oh, sorry.

2236
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:21,119
>> That's all right.

2237
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:23,920
>> I I just returning for everybody. And

2238
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:32,080
the tip tip certificate right here. And we also put the the sign for the

2239
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,560
check ID and

2240
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,560
check the under 21 the sign for

2241
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,119
everywhere to let them see to see. So

2242
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,119
sometime they service they will see the

2243
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:47,119
sign like a check ID or under 21 the

2244
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,320
world like that.

2245
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,760
Okay. Thank you. Um board members

2246
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,119
questions comments. Remember Bean?

2247
01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:00,000
>> Um, you folks have the scanner?

2248
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:01,040
>> No.

2249
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:05,760
>> But I have the the scanner can not not a

2250
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:07,600
scanner. It's like a flashlight, but

2251
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,679
they can check the real or not real.

2252
01:42:09,679 --> 01:42:11,280
>> Okay.

2253
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,119
>> And I I know I heard you say that you

2254
01:42:13,119 --> 01:42:14,239
did retraining.

2255
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:14,960
>> Yes.

2256
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,719
>> Okay.

2257
01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:18,320
Um,

2258
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,960
no, no more questions. Thank you,

2259
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,719
>> member Bennett.

2260
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,320
>> No questions.

2261
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:25,280
Member Bernard.

2262
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,600
>> Yep. My same thing. Mistake. Um and you

2263
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,760
said you have retrained. Yes.

2264
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,239
>> And how often do you do it?

2265
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:34,800
>> Uh

2266
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,840
like like quarterly or semianually?

2267
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,920
Monthly.

2268
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:41,679
>> We just do that. We just did that.

2269
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:43,600
>> But is it ongoing? You continuously?

2270
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,639
>> Yeah. Probably uh six month I can do one

2271
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:47,600
more time.

2272
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:50,239
>> And you and you attend the training too.

2273
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:50,719
>> Yeah.

2274
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:53,040
>> Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thank you.

2275
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:57,669
Member Twagers

2276
01:42:57,679 --> 01:42:59,440
of record of one of the names on the

2277
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:00,880
liquor license in the building at the

2278
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:01,520
time?

2279
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:02,880
>> No, only me.

2280
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,040
>> But your name is the manager on the

2281
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,239
liquor license, right?

2282
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:06,960
>> Yeah.

2283
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,560
>> Were you in the building at the time?

2284
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:09,199
>> Yeah.

2285
01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:13,520
>> Okay. And do you card everyone or do you

2286
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,760
have uh do you do you subjectively

2287
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,280
decide who you're going to card?

2288
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,360
>> You mean the tip certificate?

2289
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,840
>> No. When you card a patron, when someone

2290
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,440
comes into the restaurant, I've been in

2291
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:24,800
there. I like the restaurant. When

2292
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,520
someone comes in, do you card everyone

2293
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,880
or only people you think look under 21?

2294
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:32,320
>> Uh,

2295
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,480
>> I think what he's asking is, do you ask

2296
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,480
everybody for ID

2297
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:38,480
>> or only the people that look old?

2298
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,199
>> Yeah, last time I uh last time I said

2299
01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,320
it's under like 40 also. Right now I was

2300
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,960
telling them like also like under under

2301
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,960
40

2302
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,440
they under 40 let them all check the

2303
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:52,320
IDs.

2304
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:55,040
>> Okay. And I think last time well

2305
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,800
actually

2306
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,920
all right. Um thank you. Thank you.

2307
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:01,360
Let's take my questions Mr. Chairman.

2308
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:03,360
>> Thank you. Uh this is a public hearing.

2309
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:05,040
Anybody in the public has a questions,

2310
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,239
comments?

2311
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,159
>> Motion to close the public hearing.

2312
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:09,280
>> Second.

2313
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,119
>> All those in favor say I. I.

2314
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:12,080
>> I.

2315
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:15,199
>> Okay. 50. Uh back to the board. Uh I'll

2316
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:16,320
entertain a motion.

2317
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:17,840
>> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to do the first

2318
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,840
motion, which is to impose the one day

2319
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:22,800
suspended license to be served

2320
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,960
>> under the same conditions as we had pre

2321
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,800
uh as the last motion.

2322
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:30,320
>> Okay. So, one day to be served. Uh that

2323
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:33,040
was seconded. Any other questions,

2324
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:34,400
comments?

2325
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,400
>> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.

2326
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:43,520
>> Then, Mr. Chairman, I move again um

2327
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:45,040
seeing the will of the board, I'll make

2328
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,560
a motion that we do 3 days held in

2329
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:47,280
advance.

2330
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,040
>> Uh can we choose can we do a motion on

2331
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,320
the date?

2332
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,800
>> Oh, sure. Uh I move that we do the same

2333
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,560
similar date that we did for the last uh

2334
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,000
>> So that's November 9th.

2335
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,760
>> November 9th.

2336
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,199
>> Honor before November 9th.

2337
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:00,480
>> Second.

2338
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:02,800
>> Any other discussions? All those in

2339
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,159
favor say I.

2340
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:08,239
>> I. Mr. Chairman, I move we um that we do

2341
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:10,159
a three-day held in advance.

2342
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:12,639
>> Second.

2343
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:17,040
>> Any and still on until October 13th.

2344
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:21,040
>> Still until the same date. Yes, please.

2345
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,920
>> So, that has been seconded. Any other

2346
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:26,239
discussions? All those in favor say I.

2347
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:29,679
Oppose. That's 5. So basically what

2348
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:33,040
that means is uh one you get a letter

2349
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,440
from the town clerk the the original

2350
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:39,040
suspension will be served on November 9

2351
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,639
and then there's going to be another

2352
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:44,239
3-day suspensions held for one year. So

2353
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:48,800
if nothing happened until October 13,

2354
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,560
2027

2355
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,600
that goes away. But if anything has

2356
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:54,639
happened,

2357
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:57,520
>> you will have 3-day suspension

2358
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,360
that you will have to serve.

2359
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:04,159
>> Okay. Thank you.

2360
01:46:04,159 --> 01:46:04,880
All set.

2361
01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:06,000
>> Thank you, your honor.

2362
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,920
>> Thank you.

2363
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:12,709
Next.

2364
01:46:12,719 --> 01:46:14,239
» A public hearing will be held under

2365
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:16,560
chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider

2366
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,239
whether the license to sell alcoholic

2367
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,560
beverages held by Braa Inc. doing

2368
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:23,119
business as 466

2369
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:25,840
Pub and Grill, 466 Newbury Street,

2370
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,400
Janice Barakia, manager should be

2371
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,480
suspended, revoked, or limited in any

2372
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,760
way. Anybody here speak to that? Want to

2373
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:35,440
just go to the microphone, please, and

2374
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:41,270
introduce yourself.

2375
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,280
» Good evening. Um, my name is Richard

2376
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,199
Brasher. Uh, part of the family that

2377
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,040
owns the establishment. We've been in

2378
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,800
the town for now uh 32 years.

2379
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,560
Had the privilege of being part of the

2380
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,040
community and um I hate to sound like a

2381
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:58,080
broken record, but we had a lapse of

2382
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,920
judgment by one of our servers. Angelo

2383
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:02,080
Stephanon's here. He's also the kitchen

2384
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,719
manager. He's tip certified just like

2385
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:06,800
most of our serving all of our serving

2386
01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:11,920
staff is. And uh he just had a momentary

2387
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,239
lapse of judgment. We don't take it

2388
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:19,350
lightly. and um

2389
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:24,629
sorry to be here and

2390
01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:28,239
okay thank you. So uh just for the board

2391
01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:32,960
um based on the records uh so far we

2392
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:40,960
have not noticed there was uh no known prior violation in recent years

2393
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,520
from this establishment. Uh the current

2394
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:48,000
violation occur on July 27, 2026 where

2395
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:52,480
staff serve alcohol to a person under 21

2396
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:55,679
without requesting uh identification.

2397
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:57,280
Board members questions, comments.

2398
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:58,320
Member Bennett,

2399
01:47:58,320 --> 01:47:59,360
>> no questions.

2400
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,360
>> Member Bernard,

2401
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,639
>> um training, you said ongoing training,

2402
01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:05,119
monthly

2403
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:06,560
>> tips certified come. They come in

2404
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:07,119
yearly.

2405
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:07,760
>> Yearly.

2406
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,320
>> Um and just daytoday I'm there, you

2407
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,480
know, in everybody's ear. They're pretty

2408
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:13,520
Everybody knows

2409
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:14,159
>> and you attend.

2410
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:16,159
>> They know what to do. They just

2411
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:18,159
>> sometimes they don't do it. And you can

2412
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:19,360
have scanners, but they still have to

2413
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:20,800
use a scanner,

2414
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,320
>> you know.

2415
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:23,920
>> Okay. Thank you.

2416
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,199
>> Member Bean.

2417
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:26,800
>> Uh, no, no questions.

2418
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:27,679
>> Member Trusk.

2419
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:29,360
>> No, no questions. Thank you.

2420
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,119
>> Okay. This is a public hearing. Anybody

2421
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:32,560
in the audience has a questions,

2422
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:34,159
comments? Hear none.

2423
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:36,159
>> Motion to close the public hearing.

2424
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:37,119
>> Second.

2425
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:38,880
>> All those in favor say I.

2426
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:39,600
>> I.

2427
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,360
>> Oppos. 5. Mhm.

2428
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:44,320
>> Mr. Chairman, in keeping with our

2429
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,920
trying to be consistent about how we do

2430
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,000
this, I'd like to motion that we impose

2431
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:53,920
a one-day um a one-day uh u suspension

2432
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,480
held in abance until whatever the date

2433
01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:57,360
is that we're

2434
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:58,560
>> 13, 2027.

2435
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,199
>> October 13, 2027.

2436
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:02,560
>> You want to go with that same date?

2437
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,159
That's fine. But that we don't have the

2438
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:05,760
letter opt. Well, we do have the letter

2439
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:06,880
option. That's right.

2440
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:07,199
>> Yeah.

2441
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:09,280
>> Yep. That's fine. October

2442
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:10,480
>> 13, 2027.

2443
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:12,159
>> 2027. Yep. Okay. Thank you.

2444
01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:13,679
>> Do I have a second on a motion?

2445
01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:14,560
>> Second.

2446
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,950
>> Any further discussions?

2447
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:20,960
» All those in favor say I. I.

2448
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,080
>> I.

2449
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:22,800
>> 5.

2450
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:23,760
>> Thank you.

2451
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:26,400
>> Well, we hope to only see you at the

2452
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,760
establishment, not here.

2453
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:34,310
>> Thank you.

2454
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:35,600
Next,

2455
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,520
>> the board will hear from Lieutenant Rob

2456
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,600
Sullivan regarding potential changes to

2457
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,840
the traffic rules and orders. The board

2458
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,679
will allow public comment.

2459
01:49:43,679 --> 01:49:46,159
>> So, Madame Town Manager, uh, can you

2460
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:48,239
just introduce this for us?

2461
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:50,719
>> Sure. Thank you.

2462
01:49:50,719 --> 01:49:56,709
Um, one minute while this comes up.

2463
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,639
» Um, and Lieutenant, do you need to plug

2464
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:02,229
in your computer?

2465
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:05,119
You want a quick 8808

2466
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:06,000
quick?

2467
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,600
>> Thank you.

2468
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:08,239
>> Sure.

2469
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:10,880
>> Uh prior to this, could we take a five

2470
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,239
minute recess, please?

2471
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,280
>> So, can I get

2472
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:18,080
>> Yes, please. Uh while he sets up the

2473
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:18,960
PowerPoint.

2474
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:19,440
>> Okay,

2475
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:22,159
>> let's take a five minute recess. So,

2476
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,440
we'll be back at 8

2477
01:50:25,440 --> 02:00:15,910
14.

2478
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:21,030
Well, I had a blast doing it.

2479
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,800
» I would call the meeting back to order.

2480
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:27,280
>> Owen, I'm good.

2481
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:28,663
>> That was bugging me all night.

2482
02:00:28,663 --> 02:00:32,390
[laughter]

2483
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:33,119
» Keep an eye on that.

2484
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:34,639
>> I'll call the meeting back to order,

2485
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:35,199
please.

2486
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:36,080
>> I came inside.

2487
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,639
>> Thank you. Thank you. and welcome back.

2488
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,159
Um,

2489
02:00:40,159 --> 02:00:43,760
we were on item number

2490
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,400
>> item number 12.

2491
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:47,760
>> please. Could you

2492
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:49,199
>> Sure. The board will hear from

2493
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:50,800
Lieutenant Rob Sullivan regarding

2494
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:52,480
potential changes to the traffic rules

2495
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,880
and orders. The board will allow public

2496
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:56,080
comment.

2497
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,960
>> Thank you. Um, Madame Town Manager.

2498
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,599
>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just

2499
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:03,440
wanted to give a little introduction to

2500
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:06,800
the public. Um the dams transportation

2501
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,480
advisory committee does not necessarily

2502
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,960
come before you often. Uh Mr. Bates

2503
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:13,440
spoke about it this morning. Um it was

2504
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:14,800
and there are members on here who

2505
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,400
probably have more historic knowledge

2506
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:17,920
than I. It was created by the select

2507
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:21,360
board um originally um to help move

2508
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,679
along the time in which um public would

2509
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:25,360
necessarily come here to report traffic

2510
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:27,440
violations. And actually Lieutenant Svin

2511
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,400
can probably add to this too. um and

2512
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,719
instead set up a way for uh the public

2513
02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:36,239
to reach staff. Um the sta it is a

2514
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,480
staff-led committee. It is not subject

2515
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,400
to open meeting law. It it will not be

2516
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:41,840
subject to open meeting law because it's

2517
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:43,840
staffled. They're not elected officials

2518
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:47,440
or um or or board committee members who

2519
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:51,199
are appointed. Um but they try very hard

2520
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:53,360
to balance transparency with efficiency

2521
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:54,880
and they post their meeting notices,

2522
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:56,719
agendas and minutes as a courtesy of the

2523
02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:58,639
public as well as take open comment at

2524
02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:02,000
their meetings. Um they put a lot of

2525
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,679
time and effort into that. Some of the

2526
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:05,840
things that come before them can be

2527
02:02:05,840 --> 02:02:08,000
handled operationally.

2528
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:10,320
Um which sometimes changing the language

2529
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:13,360
on the sign, moving sign, um addressing

2530
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,440
a crosswalk error, some of those things

2531
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:18,000
they can handle internally. Um but many

2532
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:19,920
of those things, anything that uh

2533
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:22,159
relates to the traffic rules and orders,

2534
02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:23,520
which is one of the things being

2535
02:02:23,520 --> 02:02:25,679
presented to you today, um has to come

2536
02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:27,679
before the board as you serve as the

2537
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:31,280
traffic commissioners. Um and how those

2538
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:34,000
are handled is ruled by Mass General

2539
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:36,960
law. They are not subject to a public

2540
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:38,800
hearing. So this is not a formal public

2541
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,440
hearing also, but the board does elect

2542
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,520
to take public comment on these things.

2543
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,239
The DTAC also works very hard at the

2544
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:49,520
board's request to notify people um when

2545
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:52,639
there are significant changes. Uh so so

2546
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:56,480
it's kind of a hybrid of a of a beast of

2547
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:59,040
a public beast. Uh, so I just wanted to

2548
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,480
make sure that we set some of those um

2549
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:03,840
put some clarity around kind of what

2550
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:05,119
they're subject to, what they're not,

2551
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:06,880
and and that the goal, I believe, for

2552
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:09,920
the board and I know for the staff is to

2553
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:11,840
uh be as transparent and efficient with

2554
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:13,840
the requests from the public, the time

2555
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,159
of the public, and the time of the board

2556
02:03:16,159 --> 02:03:20,239
as well. Uh, tonight, Lieutenant um

2557
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:22,320
Sullivan will be presenting two

2558
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:25,360
different um reviews. The first one is

2559
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,760
related to the traffic rules and orders.

2560
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:30,000
Um so he's going to do that first and

2561
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,560
then at your discretion, Mr. Chairman,

2562
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:34,159
uh take questions from the board and and

2563
02:03:34,159 --> 02:03:36,480
the public move through that piece. And

2564
02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,520
then the second piece um so the first

2565
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:43,040
one was covered by a memo from um Aaron

2566
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,679
Henry and Lieutenant Sullivan um related

2567
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,440
to the traffic rules and orders. The

2568
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:49,520
second one was a memo from Lieutenant

2569
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:51,840
Sullivan related to special speed

2570
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,520
regulations. That one's um a little more

2571
02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:57,360
complicated on the process because that

2572
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:59,760
is a state regulation and Lieutenant

2573
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:02,159
Svin will get into this. That used to

2574
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:04,400
bundle like 20 of them together and now

2575
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:06,639
the state wants them individual. So, you

2576
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,960
have a lot of work ahead of you tonight.

2577
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,840
Um the lieutenant and I are here to

2578
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:16,800
assist as well as Madame Clerk. She's highly engaged in these. Um and

2579
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,400
I'll hand it over to Lieutenant

2580
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:19,440
Sullivan.

2581
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:20,639
>> Thank you.

2582
02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:22,400
Mr. Chairman. Um, I thought

2583
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:23,599
it might be easiest to see if we go

2584
02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:24,800
through there are four bullet points

2585
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:27,920
from the uh land use and advisory uh

2586
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,800
office on the updates to the traffic

2587
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:32,159
regulation book. If we took each of

2588
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:33,440
those bullets one at a time.

2589
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:33,840
>> Sure.

2590
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:35,199
>> And discuss them just in the order that

2591
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,599
they appear in the in the memo if that's

2592
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:38,639
acceptable.

2593
02:04:38,639 --> 02:04:41,520
>> Sure. Now to the board members, do you

2594
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:45,599
want to do um the bullet on vote on the

2595
02:04:45,599 --> 02:04:47,679
bullet or do you want to get the four

2596
02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:50,159
bullets and then we can entertain

2597
02:04:50,159 --> 02:04:53,360
motions after?

2598
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:54,080
>> Looking at the

2599
02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,800
>> have a preference.

2600
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,199
>> If you look at the bullets, uh couple of

2601
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:01,119
them are quick knockoffs. Uh

2602
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:03,520
typographical errors, clarity in

2603
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,960
wording, I think it's fine. So should we

2604
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:09,199
go through that and vote vote on it and

2605
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:11,199
move on or should we listen to all four

2606
02:05:11,199 --> 02:05:12,080
bullet and then

2607
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:13,599
>> to the extent and we may revisit it when

2608
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:15,119
we have more comment about the actual

2609
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:17,280
parking other parts of it but yes

2610
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:18,800
>> yeah I would be fine with

2611
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:22,149
>> this one

2612
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:24,159
any preference I just wanted it's not a

2613
02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:26,000
vote but just a general consensus from

2614
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,639
the vote

2615
02:05:28,639 --> 02:05:31,280
>> eventually take a

2616
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:32,800
would that work would that work for you

2617
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:33,599
>> yes sir it would

2618
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:34,800
>> okay thank you

2619
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:37,920
>> uh As uh member Tras pointed out, the

2620
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,920
first uh the first bullet is just

2621
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,679
grammatical. Nothing in this section

2622
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:47,920
changes any law or regulation um of the uh the manual. Um it's adding

2623
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,480
ands, ors, commas, and I think there's

2624
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,159
one deletion because the same entry was

2625
02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:54,080
found twice.

2626
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:54,400
>> Yes,

2627
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:56,239
>> there's nothing further for that first

2628
02:05:56,239 --> 02:05:58,000
the first paragraph of your memo.

2629
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,599
>> Okay. Any questions from board members?

2630
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:03,119
Uh member?

2631
02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:05,280
>> No, I I looked at all of them. I've

2632
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,119
circled them and they all look fine. The

2633
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:09,520
one that is redundant,

2634
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:11,280
we'll have further discussion on when we

2635
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,119
talk about the parking time changes

2636
02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:16,400
because they overlap on Park Street, the

2637
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:17,760
Park Street one. But as far as the

2638
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:20,239
grammatical portions, I'm fine.

2639
02:06:20,239 --> 02:06:25,520
>> So, uh, so are we okay? Member Bean.

2640
02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:27,760
>> Uh, no questions.

2641
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:28,719
>> Member Bennett,

2642
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:30,400
>> we can move forwards.

2643
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:31,760
>> Okay.

2644
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:33,840
>> Member move. Yep. Move.

2645
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:37,599
So for this uh grammatical error again

2646
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:42,400
this um agenda item

2647
02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:44,560
is not a public hearing but we had

2648
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,360
posted on the agenda that the public was

2649
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:51,360
welcome to speak. Um

2650
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:53,199
the public comments will be limited to

2651
02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:55,280
three minutes per person. I know we've

2652
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:59,280
gotten emails, calls and uh messages

2653
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,760
about this matter. So there's a high

2654
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,880
public interest. Um

2655
02:07:04,880 --> 02:07:06,320
and thank you

2656
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,119
>> out of respect to everyone I will say

2657
02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:11,360
you know

2658
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:14,079
just keep to your time uh just so that

2659
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:16,800
we can move this along. So for the

2660
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:19,280
grammatical

2661
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,599
portion uh just changing the formatting

2662
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:26,159
and minor grammatical changes. Is there

2663
02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:27,840
anyone in the public who would like to

2664
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:30,480
speak

2665
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:32,000
here? None. Okay.

2666
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:32,719
>> Oh, wait a minute.

2667
02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:34,800
>> So,

2668
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,920
>> okay. Now, hold on. Uh, just help me

2669
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:40,719
here, madam. So, are we giving them

2670
02:07:40,719 --> 02:07:42,400
three minutes per bullet or they get

2671
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:44,880
their three minutes? Well, [laughter]

2672
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:46,239
>> because I think I just

2673
02:07:46,239 --> 02:07:49,040
>> me I think you would.

2674
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,800
Oh yeah, like this computer in front of

2675
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:52,159
>> I think I would think but that's

2676
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:53,599
>> Yeah, but I think it's I think it's

2677
02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:56,159
three minutes on the agenda.

2678
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:58,320
>> Mr. Chairman, I I I we've made the

2679
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,639
decision to go bullet by bullet. I would error on the side of caution and

2680
02:08:02,639 --> 02:08:04,159
allow three minutes per bullet.

2681
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:08,320
>> Okay, that's fine. Yes. Uh Mr. Zubik. uh

2682
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:11,280
Mark Zubick. The only thing I have a

2683
02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:15,840
concern with is I know that some people

2684
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:19,040
have been involved in this thing, but I

2685
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,440
don't know if anybody else here has a

2686
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:24,320
document in front of them that you have.

2687
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:28,079
So, how can we even make a comment if we

2688
02:08:28,079 --> 02:08:30,000
don't have the document that you're

2689
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:34,079
considering? And the thing is that, you

2690
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:37,280
know, it's like flying blind. So, I'm

2691
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:39,760
sorry, but I I there's there are no

2692
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:42,000
comments that I can make because I don't

2693
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:43,760
know what you're looking at,

2694
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,840
>> Mr. Chairman. Those are all supplied.

2695
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,440
That was supplied online with the

2696
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:48,079
meeting material.

2697
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:49,520
>> That's part of the meeting materials,

2698
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,520
Mark. And the agenda

2699
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:52,560
>> posted last week.

2700
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,480
>> Everything was posted last week. Thank

2701
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:58,480
you. Uh so, no other public comments.

2702
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:01,360
So, I entertain a motion uh from the

2703
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:03,440
board to accept the proposed grammatical

2704
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,239
and formatting changes as presented on

2705
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:11,760
page 5, 7, 21, 22, and 23 of the

2706
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:12,400
package.

2707
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:14,239
>> I'll second it.

2708
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:17,520
>> No, that was asking for a motion. Okay.

2709
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:20,320
So, move then move second by

2710
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:21,840
>> Marin uh

2711
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:23,199
>> member Bernard.

2712
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:25,679
>> Okay. Any other discussions on that

2713
02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:27,520
motion? Hear none. All those in favor

2714
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:28,480
say I.

2715
02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:31,119
>> I.

2716
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:32,560
>> Okay. So that's five.

2717
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:32,960
>> Mhm.

2718
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:33,920
>> Perfect.

2719
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,679
>> Then the next one uh Lieutenant Rob.

2720
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:38,960
Yes. Which is the next one?

2721
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:40,320
>> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The second

2722
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:42,079
one is insertion of language regarding

2723
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:44,239
time limits. This actually started as a

2724
02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:45,920
much bigger project maybe about two

2725
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,159
years ago uh with with redevelopment of

2726
02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:51,679
the uh entire downtown area. Um we have

2727
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:53,280
worked through some of the issues with

2728
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,599
municipal parking lots in new language.

2729
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:58,159
uh traffic advisory uh commission sent

2730
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,159
recommendations to uh the select board

2731
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:02,639
which was approved. Uh this was part of

2732
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:05,040
the project moving forward to the public

2733
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,440
ways. Um and in doing so when we were

2734
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:10,639
looking at this um we discovered we kind

2735
02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:12,239
of stepped into the next issue. You'll

2736
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:13,679
hear from the the fisers and some other

2737
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:16,239
residents how it's a separate issue but

2738
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:18,560
this was kind of like the beginning of

2739
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:19,920
what was happening in the neighborhood

2740
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:22,000
and was a start of their their community

2741
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,639
problems. Um essentially we have found

2742
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:26,480
that the regul some of the regulations

2743
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:28,800
in the the book take for example parking

2744
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:31,040
language it says on any one of the

2745
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:33,119
streets that are governed by uh time

2746
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:35,760
restriction it says either 1 2 or 3

2747
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,719
hours except for Sundays and holidays.

2748
02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,280
Uh plain reading means that's 1 2 or 3

2749
02:10:41,280 --> 02:10:44,800
hours 24/7 except for uh Sundays and

2750
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:48,079
holidays. um that does not match what

2751
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:51,520
the signs out in the field say um which

2752
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:53,440
does not match what enforcement is

2753
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,560
doing. Um so we wanted to make sure that

2754
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:58,880
as we looked at all of the public public

2755
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:01,280
ways and lots that the book was clear as

2756
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:03,520
to what the select board wanted for the

2757
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:06,400
regulations that the signs the verbiage

2758
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:09,040
on the signs matched the the verbiage in

2759
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:11,599
the book and that the signs out in the

2760
02:11:11,599 --> 02:11:12,159
field.

2761
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:13,520
>> Am I am I throwing this up? Can I go

2762
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:14,239
now?

2763
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:16,639
>> No. No. please keep going.

2764
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:19,119
>> Um that the um the signs in the field

2765
02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:21,199
were accurate and the signs in the field

2766
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:23,840
were at um place at appropriate points.

2767
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:25,280
Um as you'll hear from the fishes,

2768
02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:27,440
something as very simple as having this

2769
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:30,800
language in correct signs um can

2770
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,520
actually stop further problems. um what

2771
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,000
actually began as um a a parking

2772
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:37,599
dispute. Somebody not paying attention

2773
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:40,079
to what the signs and regulations said

2774
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:43,599
on the street turned into um a dispute,

2775
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:45,599
disagreement amongst amongst neighbors

2776
02:11:45,599 --> 02:11:48,000
in the area. Um it turned into

2777
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,480
allegations of people being um

2778
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,000
protective or possessive of their

2779
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,599
individual spots. Um and then it when

2780
02:11:55,599 --> 02:11:58,239
town staff attempted to intervene, we

2781
02:11:58,239 --> 02:11:59,520
found that some of the language was not

2782
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:00,960
correct. Some of the signs were not

2783
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:04,639
correct. Um so we attempted to um give

2784
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:07,119
warnings to the residents which turned

2785
02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,280
around further pitting residents against

2786
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:10,800
resident thinking that they were doing

2787
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:12,639
that to each other leaving uh

2788
02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:15,040
information on each other's cars. Um

2789
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:17,040
that then escalated to from just a

2790
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,280
simple parking dispute to the the fishes

2791
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:21,520
who are here tonight um to having uh

2792
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,280
crimes occur. Um their property was

2793
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:25,280
vandalized, their cars were vandalized.

2794
02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:28,239
Um, and while there's no information to

2795
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:30,880
uh prove who who did uh did commit that

2796
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:33,199
offense, um, I do think there was an

2797
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:35,679
opportunity for us. Had we had the

2798
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:38,000
correct language, the correct signs, and

2799
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:39,599
fair and consistent enforcement, maybe

2800
02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:41,360
some of this wouldn't have happened. So,

2801
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,920
that kind of rolls into this entire

2802
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,560
paragraph with just to refresh, you

2803
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:47,920
skipped the paragraph. You skipped the

2804
02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:49,119
first one. They didn't take a motion on

2805
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:51,199
the first one. The first one is just the

2806
02:12:51,199 --> 02:12:53,520
general time allowed in the town.

2807
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:54,079
>> Yes.

2808
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:56,159
>> Yeah. So that's where you are, select

2809
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:57,920
board, sorry, to keep you on track.

2810
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:58,480
>> Um, so

2811
02:12:58,480 --> 02:12:59,760
>> so we can get the housekeeping ones out

2812
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:02,320
of the way. So the the second bullet is

2813
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:04,639
specifically to the general time within

2814
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:05,520
the town

2815
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:06,400
>> on page eight.

2816
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:08,239
>> On page

2817
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:12,400
>> 49. P section. Nope. Move to uh

2818
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,280
>> section seven on page eight. Yes. And

2819
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:17,440
the corresponding on page 49. So just

2820
02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:18,719
it's 8 a.m. to

2821
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:22,159
>> Yeah. So this is adding specific language. The book now we call

2822
02:13:22,159 --> 02:13:23,679
it the book. It's the regulation manual.

2823
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:26,239
The book now says all of these streets

2824
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,880
either one, two, or 3 hours. This

2825
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:30,800
recommends in the time restrictions in

2826
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:32,320
certain language. Um,

2827
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:34,000
>> this is the general one for the entire

2828
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:34,320
town.

2829
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:35,280
>> This is the baseline.

2830
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:37,119
between 8 a.m. So,

2831
02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:38,400
no specific streets.

2832
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,320
>> Correct. They would all be covered. So,

2833
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:40,960
all of the

2834
02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:42,239
>> between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m.

2835
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:44,159
>> Yes. So, all of the streets, but it

2836
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:46,960
specifies the hours. It specifies not uh

2837
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:49,199
Sundays, not holidays. The hours are

2838
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,920
from 8 a.m. till uh till 6 pm if there's

2839
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:53,679
a parking restriction unless although

2840
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:56,159
there are a few um there are a few that

2841
02:13:56,159 --> 02:13:58,239
have their own hours in the regulations.

2842
02:13:58,239 --> 02:13:59,679
>> We'll get to that for the third bullet.

2843
02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:01,360
This one is the catch all.

2844
02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:02,159
>> Yes.

2845
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,560
>> And it also I I I'm very pleased to see

2846
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,560
that it does specifically talk about the

2847
02:14:06,560 --> 02:14:08,719
fact that you can't just bunny hop your

2848
02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:09,679
cars

2849
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:11,840
>> and and get in your car after two hours

2850
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,520
and move it up one spot and consider

2851
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:16,639
that a new a new two hours. It's not

2852
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:18,800
eligible for that. So we're talking for

2853
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:20,880
that bullet only the blue language on

2854
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,229
page eight.

2855
02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:27,760
» Okay. Thank you. Um

2856
02:14:27,760 --> 02:14:30,347
thank you. So yeah member

2857
02:14:30,347 --> 02:14:30,800
[clears throat]

2858
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,760
>> I'll just comment. Yes. This is a very straightforward simple

2859
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:35,440
one. It doesn't talk to any specific

2860
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:38,320
street or time to parking. It just says

2861
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:41,119
the standard for time to parking is this

2862
02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:43,760
hour to this hour. and you can't just

2863
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:46,000
move your car two spots and expect it to

2864
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,239
restart the clock. So, I'm very

2865
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,480
satisfied with this. It's no different

2866
02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,800
than we've set a town standard speed

2867
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:57,840
limit and only where those signs differ

2868
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:00,159
that people are compelled to do a

2869
02:15:00,159 --> 02:15:01,760
different speed limit. So, I this is a

2870
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:02,880
good catchall.

2871
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,679
>> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean. Uh,

2872
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:08,239
>> nope. It sounds pretty good to me.

2873
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:09,360
Pretty normal.

2874
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:10,480
>> Member Bennett.

2875
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:12,960
>> I'm fine with this.

2876
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:14,000
Member Bernard.

2877
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,599
>> I think it's good. I like that. You

2878
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:17,520
know, as Ghana said to reset its time,

2879
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:18,960
like to move the vehicles. That's good.

2880
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:19,360
Perfect.

2881
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:20,320
>> Okay. Yeah.

2882
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:21,920
>> Anybody in the audience who has any

2883
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:24,000
questions, comments? Yes. We just want

2884
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:31,669
to go to the microphone.

2885
02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:34,560
» Bill Barry telling me precinct one. I

2886
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,520
understand the comment about is it bunny

2887
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:39,599
hopping from one spot to another.

2888
02:15:39,599 --> 02:15:41,199
>> Yep.

2889
02:15:41,199 --> 02:15:43,760
Uh if someone moves from one street to

2890
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:44,880
another street,

2891
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:45,520
>> different street,

2892
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:47,840
>> it needs to be explained to people

2893
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:48,719
clearly that

2894
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:50,480
>> it says the one-time limited parking

2895
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:52,639
restriction has been reached. Um moving

2896
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:54,800
to a different section or space on the

2897
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:58,000
same street is prohibited.

2898
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,199
>> As I was said,

2899
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:00,560
>> you on Page Street and you went to

2900
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:02,079
Cherry Street, you'd be fine.

2901
02:16:02,079 --> 02:16:03,679
>> I didn't have something to look at to

2902
02:16:03,679 --> 02:16:05,199
review that. I just wanted to make sure

2903
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:09,510
that was clear. Thank you.

2904
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:11,679
Quick question to you,

2905
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:14,079
Lieutenant Go. So,

2906
02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:16,320
>> if I park on one of these streets at

2907
02:16:16,320 --> 02:16:22,800
8:00 only 2 hours and then at 2:00 p.m.

2908
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:25,040
I come back on the same street. So, is

2909
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:28,320
it 2 hours consecutive or once you get

2910
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:29,840
your two hours for the day, you're out

2911
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:32,000
of luck?

2912
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:34,080
>> Well, it is. The regulation does say two

2913
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:35,280
hours. I don't know that I've

2914
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,359
encountered anybody splitting their

2915
02:16:37,359 --> 02:16:39,040
hours up, but it would be an argument.

2916
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,559
So, if a parking clerk were to issue

2917
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:42,639
that ticket, um I think you would have a

2918
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:44,479
strong argument for an appeal that you

2919
02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:47,200
weren't there for 2 hours. Um [music]

2920
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:49,840
it is as written, it is to give you two

2921
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:52,719
hours on any specific street, then you

2922
02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:54,160
have to move someplace else. So, if that

2923
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:57,040
were your argument, you could spend two

2924
02:16:57,040 --> 02:16:58,559
hours in one street. I think you would

2925
02:16:58,559 --> 02:17:00,719
just have to argue that I broken my two

2926
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:04,399
hours into two separate pieces.

2927
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:06,559
Yes. So, are you saying like if you

2928
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:10,160
>> So, if I park if you leave for 2 hours,

2929
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,519
like you park at 8, you leave at 10:00,

2930
02:17:13,519 --> 02:17:15,679
then you come back at 2:00 p.m. the same

2931
02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:18,479
day. So, because I I'm not sure reading

2932
02:17:18,479 --> 02:17:21,760
this regulation if we're talking about I

2933
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:23,359
know you can't hop from one spot to

2934
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:26,000
another, but is that for the entire day

2935
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:27,920
or could you come back in the afternoon

2936
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:29,359
and park on the same street?

2937
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:30,559
>> I'm sorry, I misunderstood your

2938
02:17:30,559 --> 02:17:32,559
question. Um, so there is now I'm

2939
02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:34,479
realizing that we have language that

2940
02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:36,319
specifies that in municipal lots that

2941
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:39,040
you cannot return to the same lot during

2942
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:41,679
the same enforcement hours. Uh, I'm now

2943
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:44,000
realizing that there is no such similar

2944
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,849
language for a public way.

2945
02:17:46,849 --> 02:17:48,719
[snorts] So essentially it says you can

2946
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:51,599
park for 2 hours. If you leave for 2 or

2947
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:53,760
3 hours, the argument is can you come

2948
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:54,319
back?

2949
02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:56,399
>> That's right. Um

2950
02:17:56,399 --> 02:17:58,000
I think the parking clerk would make the

2951
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:00,160
argument you have to out it I would

2952
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:02,080
recommend adding that language to this u

2953
02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:06,240
because we do have that language in the municipal lots. You cannot the lot

2954
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:07,920
municipal lots specifically say not

2955
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:09,840
returning to the same municipal lot

2956
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:12,319
during enforcement hours on that on that

2957
02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:14,960
same day. Um,

2958
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:17,040
if the parking clerk were to write a

2959
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:18,479
ticket, you would have the right of

2960
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:21,120
appeal before the the town clerk to say,

2961
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:23,920
"Well, I left for an amount of time and

2962
02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:25,920
come back." Uh, but I think the purpose

2963
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:27,840
of this is to give you two hours in a

2964
02:18:27,840 --> 02:18:28,160
street.

2965
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,000
>> If I may, Mr. Chair,

2966
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,040
>> um, if if I would if I would make a

2967
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:34,800
recommendation, it would be so the

2968
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:36,639
purpose of this is um, also known as

2969
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:38,319
anti-shuffling. You can't go two

2970
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:41,679
consecutive hours here, two consecutive hours here,

2971
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:43,040
and just keep moving your car. the

2972
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:44,559
street. I think the example you're

2973
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:48,000
giving is I went to get coffee and my

2974
02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:50,160
hair done at 8:00 a.m. and now I'm going

2975
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:53,120
out to dinner with a friend at 7:00 p.m.

2976
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:54,719
Can I still not park on the same street?

2977
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:56,319
I I don't think that is the intention of

2978
02:18:56,319 --> 02:18:57,679
this. I wouldn't recommend that for a

2979
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:59,599
downtown. I think we want to encourage

2980
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:01,120
turnover in the downtown for our

2981
02:19:01,120 --> 02:19:03,200
businesses. We want to encourage people

2982
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:04,960
to come back downtown and have dinner

2983
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:07,200
even if they went to the bank this

2984
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:09,679
morning. So I would if I was if I was

2985
02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:10,960
going to make a recommendation on

2986
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:12,319
editing the language, I would use the

2987
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:14,319
word consecutive in there somehow so

2988
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:17,200
that it is clear that yes, please come

2989
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:20,000
back downtown for dinner and park.

2990
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,319
>> Yeah. Because as as I mean as I read it

2991
02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:24,399
now, it's not clear to me that that's

2992
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:26,880
addressed and we might find oursel here

2993
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:30,319
6 months from now with a different issue

2994
02:19:30,319 --> 02:19:33,439
because someone got a ticket and they

2995
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:35,359
now say, "Well, I wasn't there two hours

2996
02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:37,599
ago. Why am I getting this ticket?

2997
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:39,200
>> But I would I would suggest that I would

2998
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,040
suggest that the like the police

2999
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,639
department, we rely on them to use

3000
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:44,719
discretion as we we would with the

3001
02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:46,240
parking clerk. If you were parked on one

3002
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:49,600
end of Elm Street and took two hours, I

3003
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:51,040
know it would be a two-hour coffee

3004
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:52,240
because I don't think the hairdress is

3005
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:54,240
going to take long for you, but um then

3006
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:55,920
you move to the other end of Elm Street

3007
02:19:55,920 --> 02:19:57,760
later in the day.

3008
02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:59,439
I think that's I think the discretion of

3009
02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:01,040
the parking clerk would be not to give

3010
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:04,240
you a ticket unless in that considering

3011
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,280
it skipping.

3012
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,720
>> Okay.

3013
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:10,000
>> I like the word like you said

3014
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,040
consecutive.

3015
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:14,319
>> Yeah. I think I policy makers uh giving

3016
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:16,960
it some more clarity. Obviously I'm not

3017
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:19,200
a lawyer so I I don't know all the

3018
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:21,840
language stuff. uh but giving it more

3019
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,479
clarity will prevent us from being here

3020
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:27,280
six months from now arguing about the

3021
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,520
same thing. So

3022
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:30,479
I would suggest

3023
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:33,359
>> if I may you can come back. So the

3024
02:20:33,359 --> 02:20:34,880
enforcement hours are 8 a.m. The

3025
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:36,479
timerestricted enforcement hours are

3026
02:20:36,479 --> 02:20:40,000
8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. So it's 2 hours

3027
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:42,880
between those hours. So if you come back

3028
02:20:42,880 --> 02:20:45,359
after 6:00, it's unregulated time from 6

3029
02:20:45,359 --> 02:20:47,439
at night until 8 in the morning. There

3030
02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:48,399
is no time restriction.

3031
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:50,160
>> Oh no, I understand. I'm just saying if

3032
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:52,960
you come back between 8 and 6,

3033
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:55,200
>> according to this, it says moving to a

3034
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:57,760
different section or space on the same

3035
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:02,160
street is prohibited. It doesn't say um

3036
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,800
within enforcement hours. As a matter of

3037
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:06,560
fact, if I want to even read it

3038
02:21:06,560 --> 02:21:07,840
literally,

3039
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:09,520
>> it means you should never park on that

3040
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,120
street again, [laughter]

3041
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,600
even the next day

3042
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:16,000
based on this regulation. It means that

3043
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:19,600
once you get your two hours on on M

3044
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,600
Street, you're done for the rest of your

3045
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,520
life. I mean, [laughter]

3046
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:26,640
>> I'm exaggerating, but but this language

3047
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:29,040
needs some more

3048
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:32,800
>> uh clarification so that we don't I

3049
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:35,359
would I would suggest that this goes

3050
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:39,920
back honestly to to to be clarified. Uh

3051
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:43,439
I that that that's my inclination. I I

3052
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:45,120
feel like

3053
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:48,000
It's not very clear what what what is it

3054
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:50,160
that we're voting on here.

3055
02:21:50,160 --> 02:21:51,200
>> So, let's not vote.

3056
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:51,760
>> Yeah.

3057
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:52,960
>> Motion to send back.

3058
02:21:52,960 --> 02:21:55,439
>> So, I will I will table this uh bullet

3059
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:58,399
too and have DTAC

3060
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:03,040
uh work like staff and member Bean and

3061
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:06,160
Lutin and Rob kind of final this

3062
02:22:06,160 --> 02:22:09,520
language. Maybe even talk to the town um

3063
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:12,000
council and bring us back a better

3064
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:12,640
language.

3065
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:13,120
>> Sure.

3066
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:15,200
>> Thank you.

3067
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:17,680
Mr. Chair, I think bullet four may be a

3068
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:20,560
pretty softball bullet. Can we address

3069
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:22,160
that before we get into the real meat of

3070
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:23,920
the discussion tonight?

3071
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:24,720
>> Uh,

3072
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:27,200
>> that is that is how I recommend it, too.

3073
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:30,720
>> I will. I'm fine with it. So,

3074
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:32,479
>> are we are we okay with that?

3075
02:22:32,479 --> 02:22:34,479
>> I'm fine. That's good idea, Glenn.

3076
02:22:34,479 --> 02:22:35,120
>> Member Bean.

3077
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:35,600
>> Sure.

3078
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:39,040
>> Okay. So, uh, Lieutenant Rob, let's jump

3079
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:40,319
to bullet four.

3080
02:22:40,319 --> 02:22:42,399
>> Sure. So, bullet four, Mr. chairman just

3081
02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:44,800
uh insert say there's a uh a missing

3082
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:46,479
yield control sign at Silven and

3083
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:49,359
Endicott Street. Part of it's a chicken

3084
02:22:49,359 --> 02:22:50,720
restaurant raising cane.

3085
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:51,600
>> Raising canes.

3086
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:54,160
>> Um part of their engineering site plan

3087
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:57,680
required them to paint the road uh as a

3088
02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,319
uh a yield turning from uh Silven Street

3089
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:02,640
right-hand turn onto Endicott Street um

3090
02:23:02,640 --> 02:23:05,120
and to place a yield sign there. But to

3091
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:06,479
do so, they need permission from the

3092
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:08,000
select board to have a yield sign at

3093
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,240
that intersection.

3094
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:13,200
>> Okay. Thank you. Any questions, comments

3095
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:16,319
on that?

3096
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:16,960
>> I'm fine.

3097
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:17,359
>> Member

3098
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:18,240
>> I'm fine with that.

3099
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:18,640
>> None.

3100
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:20,160
>> Member Bennett, member bean.

3101
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:21,200
>> No, no question.

3102
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:24,479
>> Member TW. Anybody in the audience

3103
02:23:24,479 --> 02:23:27,600
>> hear? None. So, I entertain a motion.

3104
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:30,319
>> I move we accept the recommendation of

3105
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:33,200
the clarification. And do Lieutenant

3106
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:34,479
Sullivan, are you looking for

3107
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:35,520
permission? Do we have to give

3108
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:36,240
permission?

3109
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:37,760
>> It's so the yield sign is actually

3110
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:39,280
inserted into the book. So I believe

3111
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:41,600
select board has to approve us adding

3112
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:43,920
that into the book.

3113
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:44,240
>> Yeah.

3114
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:45,920
>> Is it just approval into the book or

3115
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:47,600
separately we have to approve a sign?

3116
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,600
>> The motion should say a yield sign as

3117
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:51,600
presented on page 41 schedule number

3118
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:52,800
four.

3119
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:54,640
>> Yield sign is presented.

3120
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:55,200
>> Okay.

3121
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:55,600
>> Second.

3122
02:23:55,600 --> 02:23:58,160
>> Page 41 schedule number four. That has

3123
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:01,359
been seconded. Any further discussions?

3124
02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:03,600
All those in favor say I. I.

3125
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:04,880
>> I.

3126
02:24:04,880 --> 02:24:08,319
>> Okay. Perfect. Thank you. buckle up.

3127
02:24:08,319 --> 02:24:10,800
>> Uh let's go back up to bullet number

3128
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:14,870
three and drop.

3129
02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:16,800
» Yes, sir. So, bullet number three has

3130
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:18,160
written modifications to time

3131
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:19,600
restrictions, which is schedule one

3132
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:22,960
parking locations and regulations. Uh on

3133
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:25,920
page 25, uh contains most of the

3134
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:28,080
recommended edits, the downtown, uh

3135
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,319
street work underway. Uh the traffic

3136
02:24:30,319 --> 02:24:32,080
advisory committee determined it was

3137
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:33,920
logical to conduct a review of these

3138
02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:36,080
areas. Um culminating in the

3139
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:37,840
recommendation to eliminate some time

3140
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:40,720
restrictions in several areas

3141
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:42,720
uh further from the square where daytime

3142
02:24:42,720 --> 02:24:44,800
parking restrictions are believed to be

3143
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:47,359
no longer necessary and revise a few

3144
02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:49,200
others. Schedule one captures those

3145
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:54,880
changes. Um I have a map here that um

3146
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:58,399
and I probably should so it covers

3147
02:24:58,399 --> 02:25:01,520
um the streets that it covers. Um I

3148
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:03,520
should be clear that no place in these

3149
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:06,960
streets is the recommendation to add

3150
02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:09,760
parking or delete parking. Uh no place

3151
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:11,200
in the recommendation. So if you're a

3152
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,080
resident and you come home tonight, no

3153
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:15,760
one is telling you tomorrow you cannot

3154
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:17,760
park in front of your house on whatever

3155
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:20,640
street. Um likewise, if you could not

3156
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,120
park on whatever street in front of your

3157
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:25,040
house, there's not a recommendation to

3158
02:25:25,040 --> 02:25:28,800
make that area as acceptable parking. Uh

3159
02:25:28,800 --> 02:25:31,600
it's taking a few spaces that it was

3160
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:35,200
believed because of past square use. Um

3161
02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:38,399
time restrictions are no longer needed

3162
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:41,040
for those for those locations. But as it

3163
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:42,640
exists right now, parking to some form,

3164
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:46,000
whether it be one, two, or three hours,

3165
02:25:46,000 --> 02:25:48,720
exists at those locations. That would be

3166
02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:51,120
removing uh some of the uh some of the

3167
02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,560
restrictions. Um

3168
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:59,040
and uh again, in doing so,

3169
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:00,720
a car could still be at each one of

3170
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:02,560
those locations. Currently, right now,

3171
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,040
it could be a 1-hour parking space, but

3172
02:26:05,040 --> 02:26:07,120
in theory, you could have a car in that

3173
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:09,680
spot for all eight or 10 hours of

3174
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:11,439
enforcement regulations. It would not be

3175
02:26:11,439 --> 02:26:14,160
the same car. Um, this would change it

3176
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:16,720
so it could be the same car um in that

3177
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:19,680
regulation. My map is uh a little bit

3178
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:20,960
incorrect and we can go through each of

3179
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:22,640
the streets. I This is the map that I

3180
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:25,040
presented at the traffic advisory

3181
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:26,800
committee which contained all of the

3182
02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:29,359
streets. the uh the traffic advisory

3183
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:31,840
committee um heard from a group of

3184
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:34,399
residents that came and presented and uh

3185
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:36,399
changed this map removing the

3186
02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:38,880
recommended changes for Park Street and

3187
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:40,720
leaving the other streets for your for

3188
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:44,950
your consideration.

3189
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,560
» Okay. So

3190
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,800
>> that was you want the light off so you

3191
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:50,640
can see that.

3192
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:52,080
>> Yeah, it's helpful.

3193
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,640
>> I think we have Oh yeah, five people to

3194
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:57,760
see. Okay.

3195
02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:01,590
>> Goodbye.

3196
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:02,319
» Okay. So,

3197
02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:04,000
>> so on each of the I can go through on

3198
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:05,920
each of the streets there are two 1-hour

3199
02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:08,479
streets. So, Chase and School Street.

3200
02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:10,399
So, this portion of School Street, the

3201
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:11,840
furthest away from the square, the

3202
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:13,760
portion of School Street that runs from

3203
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:16,240
Franklin to Popppler, uh, is currently

3204
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:18,720
now a on one side is no parking. On the

3205
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:21,840
other side, it is one hour parking. Uh

3206
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:26,560
the other one hour is Chase.

3207
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:29,200
Uh over here, Chase Street between uh

3208
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:31,200
Conan and Park Street. One side is no

3209
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:36,160
parking, the other side is um 1 hour.

3210
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:38,080
For these streets that were 2hour

3211
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:41,359
parking um restrictions are uh Berry

3212
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:44,560
Street, Central A,

3213
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:46,960
um Butler off of uh off of Locust

3214
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:49,920
Street, um a section of Oak Street. So,

3215
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:52,880
this section of Oak Street um is still

3216
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:55,040
currently 2 hours. The proposal was to

3217
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:57,600
remove the time restrictions on this

3218
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:01,040
section of Oak Street. Uh on Cherry

3219
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:02,800
Street, the portion towards the the

3220
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:05,200
closest portion to the square uh remains

3221
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:08,399
time restricted. The portion between uh

3222
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:11,760
Putinham and Essex Street would have the

3223
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:16,319
uh 2hour time restriction removed. Uh

3224
02:28:16,319 --> 02:28:19,359
Beacon and Warren, the same thing. Uh

3225
02:28:19,359 --> 02:28:21,280
Warren Street down here only covers

3226
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:24,960
essentially one house uh for a two-hour

3227
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:26,560
parking restriction. The rest of the

3228
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:29,040
street [music] is unregulated. Uh Beacon

3229
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:32,000
Street, both sides end to end where um

3230
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,399
we're covered by 2 hours. And then

3231
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:38,399
there's one uh Alden Street had a 3hour

3232
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:40,960
over in this section over here. Uh one

3233
02:28:40,960 --> 02:28:44,160
side of Alden Street had a 3h hour. They

3234
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:45,680
don't they didn't really match up or

3235
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:47,840
line up to any of the cross streets. Um

3236
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:50,160
what they did line up to was um

3237
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:51,520
businesses that were in the area. Say

3238
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:53,520
like Denver's when Denver Savings Bank

3239
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:56,240
had um you know when they were expanding

3240
02:28:56,240 --> 02:28:57,920
and they had a couple hundred employees

3241
02:28:57,920 --> 02:28:59,600
for their 100 parking spaces. They were

3242
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:01,920
spilling out into the community. Uh when

3243
02:29:01,920 --> 02:29:04,560
Hot Watt and other businesses um the

3244
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:06,800
building where um Betty and Sub Shop is

3245
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:09,040
now used to be like a a factory type

3246
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:11,600
building. Those uh workers would park in

3247
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:14,560
the in the areas. So uh the residential

3248
02:29:14,560 --> 02:29:18,960
areas. So, some of those businesses are gone, have changed. Um, the the

3249
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:21,200
bank, if you drive by their lot on any

3250
02:29:21,200 --> 02:29:24,960
given day, it's not even half their own private parking spaces are not

3251
02:29:24,960 --> 02:29:30,640
even half half full. So, that was the reason for these changes.

3252
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:31,920
And as we were making these

3253
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:33,760
recommendations, um, we had a chance to

3254
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:36,000
encounter some of the the residents uh

3255
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,399
of the area who wanted to be heard as to

3256
02:29:38,399 --> 02:29:40,800
um the proposed changes. Like I said, we

3257
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,920
did remove in the original draft. It was

3258
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:49,520
to um Park Street. Park Street right now is 107 ft from

3259
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:55,520
High Street um to um Barry Street as um

3260
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:59,200
to our parking that removing that has

3261
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:01,760
been um the traffic committee did not

3262
02:30:01,760 --> 02:30:03,040
recommend moving that forward to the

3263
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,120
select board. So parking would still

3264
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,240
remain uh the 2 hours during the

3265
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:10,560
enforcement hour if you accept in the

3266
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:14,640
future the enforcement hours of 8 to 6

3267
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:18,479
uh Monday through Saturday.

3268
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:23,120
Okay. Thank you. Uh so board members uh

3269
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:26,319
questions now. Do we want to maybe just

3270
02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:28,720
comment in general and then take them

3271
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:31,680
street by street or do a slate?

3272
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:34,720
>> I Mr. Chairman, I think that they have

3273
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:37,439
to be if you want to take sections by

3274
02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:39,120
sections, but there is going there is

3275
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:40,880
synergy between certain streets and

3276
02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:43,359
certain changes. And I have a number of

3277
02:30:43,359 --> 02:30:45,200
notes that I want to go through on

3278
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:48,319
certain streets and certain changes. And

3279
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:50,560
Backbay is one section, Locust Street

3280
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:51,920
might be another, and you might be able

3281
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:55,280
to lump them that way, but um

3282
02:30:55,280 --> 02:30:56,240
>> think one by

3283
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,800
>> But I'd like to actually start with the

3284
02:30:58,800 --> 02:31:02,399
an underlying premise here. Um, and I

3285
02:31:02,399 --> 02:31:03,600
sorry, Lieutenant, that I'm putting you

3286
02:31:03,600 --> 02:31:04,960
on the spot. I realize there's a lot of

3287
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:06,720
work by a lot of people, but the

3288
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:09,520
underlying premise was the the changes

3289
02:31:09,520 --> 02:31:13,120
were based on things um conditions that

3290
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:15,760
were deter determined unnecessary.

3291
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:18,960
What was the criteria for that? And and

3292
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:20,399
what supporting evidence do we have in

3293
02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:22,319
that? I've I've heard economic we I've

3294
02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:24,880
heard tonight you say the the bank that

3295
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:28,640
was used to employ 100 people uh doesn't

3296
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:30,319
employ that many people. that has

3297
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:32,399
lightened the load that was there from

3298
02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:34,880
the bank. But I'm not sure I would agree

3299
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:37,120
that that is a condition for changing

3300
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:39,920
the hours or the or the restrictions

3301
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:41,920
that were in place because that bank

3302
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:43,840
could easily fill up again. Once you

3303
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,200
lose it, you're not going to get it

3304
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:47,200
back. And so I'm just wondering what the

3305
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:50,960
underlying con underlying premise is for

3306
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:53,439
making modifications. I often hear

3307
02:31:53,439 --> 02:31:55,040
consistency and I can go with the

3308
02:31:55,040 --> 02:31:57,520
consistency argument sometimes if if it

3309
02:31:57,520 --> 02:32:03,680
makes sense, but I'd like to know what what what is the impetus for the changes.

3310
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:05,359
>> Yes, sir. There there was no one

3311
02:32:05,359 --> 02:32:07,439
specific reason. It was looking at the

3312
02:32:07,439 --> 02:32:09,520
downtown as a whole. Uh it was looking

3313
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:11,439
at how it's changed. I do think we

3314
02:32:11,439 --> 02:32:13,600
looked at um we don't have a lot of

3315
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,680
guidance over where over the years where

3316
02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:17,680
they came from, how they were added,

3317
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:19,600
what's the exact reason that this

3318
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:21,280
particular street and not the next

3319
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:23,359
street over or go across one block. Um

3320
02:32:23,359 --> 02:32:26,080
we didn't have a lot of that. Um so we

3321
02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:28,160
started looking at what the businesses

3322
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:30,319
are, what the current makeup of the

3323
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,319
square is, who's parking there, who's

3324
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:35,439
using it. Um and

3325
02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:37,600
you're right, consistency. Um and then

3326
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,640
also overregulation. If you have, you

3327
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:43,600
know, if you have an area of school

3328
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:45,840
street that's between Franklin and

3329
02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:48,640
Pabler, we couldn't find a we could not

3330
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:51,680
find a reason that said that's an for

3331
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,600
this reason we would want to restrict

3332
02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:56,800
parking there for x number of hours and

3333
02:32:56,800 --> 02:32:59,600
then allow it un unrestricted on the on

3334
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:01,520
the overnights. We we couldn't find a

3335
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:04,560
reason to keep them there in some cases.

3336
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,319
>> Okay.

3337
02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:07,600
If you're looking for general comments,

3338
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:08,479
that's my general first.

3339
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:10,560
>> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean.

3340
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:12,479
>> Um, Lieutenant, aren't these

3341
02:33:12,479 --> 02:33:14,160
restrictions all resident?

3342
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:15,520
>> You want to just speak to the mic? I'm

3343
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:15,760
sorry.

3344
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:16,240
>> I'm sorry.

3345
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:19,359
>> So people at home can Sorry.

3346
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:20,800
>> Sorry about that.

3347
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:23,760
>> Aren't these restrictions um resident

3348
02:33:23,760 --> 02:33:26,640
driven?

3349
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:28,240
I mean, we didn't

3350
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:29,920
>> we didn't just put these in. These are

3351
02:33:29,920 --> 02:33:32,319
people complaining about parking front

3352
02:33:32,319 --> 02:33:35,840
of the house. Is that right?

3353
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:38,479
I would I I I don't want to say that I

3354
02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:40,240
have direct knowledge. I would guess

3355
02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:42,479
that did happen. I I think it would also

3356
02:33:42,479 --> 02:33:45,439
be it would be like the businesses kind

3357
02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:47,680
of we see a lot of complaints over like

3358
02:33:47,680 --> 02:33:49,439
schools spilling out into residential

3359
02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:51,439
communities. I would think that occurred

3360
02:33:51,439 --> 02:33:55,040
here. Um but I wasn't part of any of

3361
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:56,160
those conversation, but I would assume

3362
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:58,399
at some point residents did come forward

3363
02:33:58,399 --> 02:33:59,840
and ask for certain things in their

3364
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:02,160
neighborhoods. Um, again, I just don't

3365
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:04,720
know how far back these go where the the

3366
02:34:04,720 --> 02:34:06,479
actual ask came from.

3367
02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:09,520
>> Is is the places that you want to get

3368
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:11,840
rid of the restrictions, have those

3369
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:14,800
neighbors neighbors received

3370
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:17,120
notification that those would go away?

3371
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:18,479
>> No.

3372
02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:20,640
>> Should shouldn't we do that?

3373
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,560
>> I think that would be a decision for

3374
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:26,800
this board to make. uh uh if we want to

3375
02:34:26,800 --> 02:34:29,040
have notifications to the neighbors,

3376
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:30,880
it's not up to the staff. It's not

3377
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:31,680
required.

3378
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:32,240
>> Yeah.

3379
02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:34,880
>> But if that's something we want to do,

3380
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:37,600
we can decide to do that and then uh

3381
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:40,319
give ample time to the town manager and

3382
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:41,439
staff to do that.

3383
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:43,680
>> Okay. Yeah, that's that's what I'm

3384
02:34:43,680 --> 02:34:45,120
getting at.

3385
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:46,000
>> So, thank you.

3386
02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:47,120
>> Thank you,

3387
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:49,439
>> Member Bennett.

3388
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:52,800
>> I tend to agree with Michael. Um what

3389
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:55,439
>> these are residential neighborhoods.

3390
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:58,640
Uh we should at least ask the residents

3391
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:02,000
their thoughts. Do they have any history

3392
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,439
on why their street is

3393
02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:08,399
posted as it is? Do they have any

3394
02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:11,600
objections to changing it? Uh that's a

3395
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:15,359
lot of work to compile and come up with

3396
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:18,160
some consistency.

3397
02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:20,560
But I think it behooves us to table this

3398
02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:22,720
discussion till the neighbors have been

3399
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:25,600
notified. I mean, Paid Street, it's two

3400
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:28,080
hours.

3401
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:31,237
Same people come back every day.

3402
02:35:31,237 --> 02:35:32,880
[snorts] Are you going to change the two

3403
02:35:32,880 --> 02:35:35,680
hours to reflect what's actually

3404
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:38,640
happening on that street?

3405
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:41,439
I don't see it being proposed here, but

3406
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:44,399
I think um we need to hear from the

3407
02:35:44,399 --> 02:35:46,240
residents

3408
02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:48,640
and I think we should table this.

3409
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:50,240
>> Okay, I found this on

3410
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:52,399
>> Okay, thank you. [laughter]

3411
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:53,439
Done.

3412
02:35:53,439 --> 02:35:56,479
>> She agrees. Uh but in all seriousness,

3413
02:35:56,479 --> 02:36:01,030
we need to hear from the residents.

3414
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:02,319
» Thank you, Member Bennett.

3415
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:04,880
>> Yeah, I have to agree with um both Mike

3416
02:36:04,880 --> 02:36:10,160
and Dan. I think um we have to um hear

3417
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:12,880
from the residences and see you know

3418
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:15,040
what what are their thoughts you know

3419
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:16,640
how did this come about has there really

3420
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:20,880
been a traffic study done you know like

3421
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,479
we want to hear from the businesses the

3422
02:36:22,479 --> 02:36:24,479
residents that live there I think we

3423
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,040
should table this too because I I don't

3424
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:28,479
want to

3425
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:29,920
>> do anything without hearing from the

3426
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:30,640
people

3427
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:32,160
>> right it's their neighborhoods

3428
02:36:32,160 --> 02:36:34,000
>> Mr. chairman to that point.

3429
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:36,000
>> Just one second until she's done. Yeah.

3430
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:39,920
>> I I I I I I just think that um you know,

3431
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,280
a lot of people have come tonight. We

3432
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:43,280
can hear what they have to say. You

3433
02:36:43,280 --> 02:36:44,960
know, right now with these people that

3434
02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:47,600
have waited all night really and then

3435
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:50,160
but I you know and then notices going

3436
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:53,040
out to people too. I you know it's been

3437
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:53,680
said

3438
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,439
>> delay is not going to hurt anybody,

3439
02:36:55,439 --> 02:36:56,319
>> right?

3440
02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:56,960
>> Okay.

3441
02:36:56,960 --> 02:36:58,880
>> Mr. Chairman, I think that's uh I had

3442
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:00,240
the same reaction. And I had a

3443
02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,080
discussion with the town manager about

3444
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,960
the traffic advisory committee. I was

3445
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:07,200
surprised to learn that it was not that

3446
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:09,840
because of its of its design and nature

3447
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:12,319
because I had never been to one. Even in

3448
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:13,600
all my years, I hadn't had the

3449
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:15,120
opportunity to go to one or need to go

3450
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:16,800
to one. Didn't realize it was not

3451
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,399
subject to open meeting. Did not realize

3452
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:22,800
it was um not subject to uh uh neighbor

3453
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:25,359
notification or a butter notification.

3454
02:37:25,359 --> 02:37:27,040
It would be because then we'd be open up

3455
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:29,040
a Pandora's box for other committees

3456
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:33,040
that are also not in that realm. Why

3457
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:34,560
didn't you tell me? Why don't you tell

3458
02:37:34,560 --> 02:37:37,760
me? So, Mr. Bates alluded to it in his

3459
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:40,273
opening new business comments. I

3460
02:37:40,273 --> 02:37:40,800
[laughter and clears throat] think we do

3461
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:43,280
need to do a restructure of that and I

3462
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:46,000
think in this case it should be

3463
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:47,600
discussed with the board about some of

3464
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:50,240
the recommendations and then I think

3465
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,800
there should be a workshop and you

3466
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:54,240
invite the neighbors to a workshop and

3467
02:37:54,240 --> 02:37:55,920
get their feedback. There is some stuff

3468
02:37:55,920 --> 02:37:57,520
here that I'll want to talk about later

3469
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:00,160
tonight that I think will have immediate

3470
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:02,000
impact and in discussion by some of the

3471
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:03,920
neighbors. But I have a lot of thoughts

3472
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:07,120
on on these changes and I I pass out

3473
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,600
maps that I was going to go through, but

3474
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:11,680
you know, and I don't want to make

3475
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:15,680
people feel that they didn't get their

3476
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:19,120
time. Um, but there's a lot of things in

3477
02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:21,760
here that I see as inconsistent um, and

3478
02:38:21,760 --> 02:38:23,439
would make recommendations. And I did I

3479
02:38:23,439 --> 02:38:25,680
heard from one neighbor, why is why is

3480
02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:27,600
there one piece of Alden Street that's

3481
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:29,439
three hours and it's the only three-hour

3482
02:38:29,439 --> 02:38:31,840
zone in the entire town? He knew the

3483
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:34,880
history and it's such a history that he

3484
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:37,920
was not opposed to changing that. But we

3485
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:39,600
should hear that and if you're going to

3486
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:41,120
change something that's in someone front

3487
02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:43,120
of someone's house, good, bad or

3488
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,479
indifferent, uh we should invite them to

3489
02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:47,840
participate.

3490
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:51,840
>> Okay. So, I I'm I'm kind of hearing

3491
02:38:51,840 --> 02:38:54,880
a sense of like the board is leaning

3492
02:38:54,880 --> 02:38:56,800
toward

3493
02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:58,960
um having

3494
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:03,600
u notifications go out to residents. But

3495
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:10,399
I want to remind us that I mean this is for us. This is not for DACA. So

3496
02:39:10,399 --> 02:39:14,000
um I want to make sure that what we are

3497
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:17,600
saying is if we want to notify residents

3498
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,800
then we want them to come here and I

3499
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:23,680
will even be open to a site visit on

3500
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:26,080
some of these places cuz it's one thing

3501
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:29,520
to look at the map it's another thing to

3502
02:39:29,520 --> 02:39:32,479
get on the ground and see what is

3503
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:35,120
actually happening like member bait was

3504
02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:37,680
saying earlier if the boys open to that

3505
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:40,319
we can coordinate something like that.

3506
02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:42,080
But what I'm suggesting is that would be

3507
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:43,680
a very large endeavor and I would

3508
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:45,600
recommend based on historic with big

3509
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:47,439
issues like this we could have a

3510
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:51,200
selectman organized workshop

3511
02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:53,200
after I would like the opportunity my

3512
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:54,399
thought is I would like the opportunity

3513
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:57,280
to give my feedback to t DTAC what I

3514
02:39:57,280 --> 02:39:58,960
heard what the neighbors have presented

3515
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,960
what they've offered as modifications

3516
02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:02,640
changes whatever it is that I see is

3517
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:05,200
reasonable because this opened a

3518
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:06,880
Pandora's box I went through the entire

3519
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:08,240
thing and there are other changes that

3520
02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:11,040
need to be made um more more updates

3521
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:13,040
that I would recommend as well. It is

3522
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:16,479
our document. It is the one but but we I

3523
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:19,760
also respect the fact that they have

3524
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,359
understanding and knowledge that I don't

3525
02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:23,280
have. The police know when there's

3526
02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:25,600
traffic safety issues or accident

3527
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:29,040
statistics. The other divisions know

3528
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:31,520
other reasons why these things go on.

3529
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:33,600
Just not my anecdotal observation. I

3530
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:35,359
don't live on Park Street. I don't see

3531
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:37,359
their day-to-day lives. So, it's hard

3532
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:39,120
for me.

3533
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,359
I have an idea of what should change and

3534
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:43,120
I may even recommend what should change,

3535
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:46,399
but I don't think that we shouldn't I

3536
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:47,600
agree with you. We should do it in a

3537
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:49,680
workshop, not in a necessarily a select

3538
02:40:49,680 --> 02:40:50,960
board member meeting.

3539
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:53,760
>> Okay. Thank you. So, let me uh hear from

3540
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:57,200
some residents if they want to speak uh

3541
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:59,840
and then I can come back to the board.

3542
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:02,160
Um if you want to just go to the

3543
02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:05,840
microphone and introduce yourself.

3544
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:08,880
Perfect. So, um, Alex Fish, I live at 37

3545
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:10,960
Park Street. I'm one of the residents.

3546
02:41:10,960 --> 02:41:13,600
Um, so appreciate you tableabling

3547
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:14,960
discussion on Park Street. That's

3548
02:41:14,960 --> 02:41:17,280
obviously our main concern here and I'm

3549
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:19,680
part of a contingent that is here

3550
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:21,280
concerned. This is the third time we've

3551
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:22,640
actually been in this room talking about

3552
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,040
this. We actually want to even take it

3553
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:26,880
one step further and and we want to

3554
02:41:26,880 --> 02:41:29,040
address the safety concern specifically

3555
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:31,520
on Park Street between Alden and Barry.

3556
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:35,200
Um, I think our circumstance is getting

3557
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:38,080
kind of lumped in with the reszoning and

3558
02:41:38,080 --> 02:41:40,319
we want to address or have you guys look

3559
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:43,359
at the safety concerns. Um, so this

3560
02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:45,359
block is unique. You know, the width of

3561
02:41:45,359 --> 02:41:47,920
the road um essentially has to cover

3562
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,439
three lanes of traffic. One being

3563
02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:51,600
permanently parked cars now and then

3564
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:54,000
two-way traffic. Um, it's the school

3565
02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:55,760
that everyone drives their kids to to

3566
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:58,000
the middle school. It's where kids walk.

3567
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:01,120
Um, and there's been zero, well,

3568
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:03,200
practically zero enforcement for years

3569
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:06,240
despite our complaints over years. And I

3570
02:42:06,240 --> 02:42:07,840
think as Lieutenant Sullivan mentioned,

3571
02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:09,600
that's part of the problem. We put a

3572
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:11,520
presentation together for for the for

3573
02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:12,960
the board that we sent out last night

3574
02:42:12,960 --> 02:42:15,600
and this morning. Um, so um, hope you

3575
02:42:15,600 --> 02:42:18,720
got to see that. Uh it covers our safety

3576
02:42:18,720 --> 02:42:21,520
concerns um across the board, especially

3577
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:24,160
for kids that are getting on the bus,

3578
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:25,840
all the parking that exists, the fact

3579
02:42:25,840 --> 02:42:27,760
that people have to weave around cars

3580
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:29,920
onto the curbs. Um and we're really

3581
02:42:29,920 --> 02:42:31,600
asking the town, I think what was

3582
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:33,760
mentioned, to do a safety review, and

3583
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:36,720
then seriously consider no like, you

3584
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:38,560
know, no parking lot at all on this side

3585
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:40,880
of Park Street. So, um looking for your

3586
02:42:40,880 --> 02:42:42,880
help. I think the workshop is a is a

3587
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:44,080
great idea. We'd love to be a part of

3588
02:42:44,080 --> 02:42:45,920
that and uh you know appreciate your

3589
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:47,840
time so I'll yield the floor to others.

3590
02:42:47,840 --> 02:42:49,280
Thank you.

3591
02:42:49,280 --> 02:43:00,070
>> Thank you. Uh yes

3592
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:01,760
» closer [clears throat]

3593
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:04,560
town meeting member precinct one. This

3594
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:08,399
is this study was done recently. Is is

3595
02:43:08,399 --> 02:43:10,720
there a schedule for a study like this

3596
02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:13,359
to be done periodically say every three

3597
02:43:13,359 --> 02:43:15,920
or five years? Danas is a growing

3598
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:19,520
community. Resident residential areas

3599
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:22,560
change what's needed not needed for

3600
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:25,840
whatever the reason is a re review

3601
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:29,920
period periodic review period made to

3602
02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:32,240
see if changes should go back to what

3603
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:34,800
they were or should even be moved ahead

3604
02:43:34,800 --> 02:43:38,160
of where they are. Just a question.

3605
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:39,040
>> Okay. Thank you.

3606
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:39,520
>> Thank you.

3607
02:43:39,520 --> 02:43:40,800
>> I mean, madame [clears throat] town

3608
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:42,319
manager, correct me if I don't think

3609
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:44,479
this was necessarily a study. I think

3610
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:45,439
this was

3611
02:43:45,439 --> 02:43:47,439
>> a way to want to address some

3612
02:43:47,439 --> 02:43:50,800
inconsistencies between some parking

3613
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:53,200
signs and what we have in the books. Is

3614
02:43:53,200 --> 02:43:53,840
that correct?

3615
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:55,120
>> Correct. This was a combination of

3616
02:43:55,120 --> 02:43:57,760
hearing from um they had heard from some

3617
02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:00,000
residents also in the downtown area. So,

3618
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:02,880
they were addressing that the changes in

3619
02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:04,479
uh the work we were doing downtown. So

3620
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:06,640
they were down there seeing it more. So

3621
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:08,240
it kind of all came together. But no, it

3622
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:10,960
was not a formal study and no, there is

3623
02:44:10,960 --> 02:44:14,479
no formal request um at this time by the

3624
02:44:14,479 --> 02:44:16,880
board for staff to review parking in any

3625
02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:20,240
one area on a regular basis.

3626
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:32,630
>> Thank you. Any other public comments?

3627
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:34,399
Hello, my name is Ken Crowley. I live at

3628
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:37,680
35 Park Street, the affected area. Um,

3629
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:40,880
so there has been very little

3630
02:44:40,880 --> 02:44:43,520
enforcement. I asked for information

3631
02:44:43,520 --> 02:44:46,160
about traffic tickets and I was the

3632
02:44:46,160 --> 02:44:47,680
information I got said there have been

3633
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:50,479
two traffic tickets in the last 12

3634
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:52,479
months issued and one was appealed

3635
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,880
successfully. So really only one in a

3636
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:56,640
year.

3637
02:44:56,640 --> 02:45:00,720
There could be you you I like the the thought of coming down to Park

3638
02:45:00,720 --> 02:45:03,359
Street because it is parked very

3639
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:07,200
consistently and very busily. So I I'll

3640
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:09,920
have the fishes in front of their house

3641
02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:12,479
every single day all day long. Cars

3642
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:14,720
parked. Believe me, it's a 1-hour

3643
02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:20,240
parking zone. They are more than an hour, 2 hours, 3 hours,

3644
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:22,080
four hours, 5 hours. Sometimes not

3645
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:24,399
enforced. There's there's a restriction

3646
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:26,399
on the books for parking near

3647
02:45:26,399 --> 02:45:28,880
intersection. People park right up to

3648
02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:31,439
the intersection. It makes cars who come

3649
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:33,760
down from the cross street poke out

3650
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:35,200
about halfway into the street because

3651
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:40,479
they can't see. Um in my house um I live

3652
02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:45,279
on um I live in a corner so the Berry

3653
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:47,920
Street provision affects me. I did not

3654
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:50,479
know about that being struck from the

3655
02:45:50,479 --> 02:45:52,240
regulations until I read the agenda.

3656
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:54,319
this evening. So, it goes to the

3657
02:45:54,319 --> 02:45:55,760
notification, which I like is a good

3658
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:58,560
idea because I I was not notified and I

3659
02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:04,160
think I found out the hard way about the recommendation from DTAC to

3660
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:05,920
eliminate Park Street restrictions

3661
02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:08,319
altogether. I think I I could have

3662
02:46:08,319 --> 02:46:10,000
easily have missed that and could have

3663
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:11,359
gone to you and you said, "No

3664
02:46:11,359 --> 02:46:13,200
objections. Let's pass it." And I would

3665
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,760
have been stuck with it. Um, the the

3666
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:17,840
last thing I would say is that people

3667
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:20,640
frequently park a foot or more over my

3668
02:46:20,640 --> 02:46:25,920
end of my driveway. There's got to be a regulation on that. I don't, as far as

3669
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:27,840
I know, nobody's ever gotten a ticket.

3670
02:46:27,840 --> 02:46:29,920
And I have plenty of pictures to prove

3671
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:32,640
that people have done so. A foot, 2

3672
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:34,800
feet, 3 feet. One time during a

3673
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:37,040
snowstorm, and granted it wasn't a a bad

3674
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:39,680
snowstorm. Two days somebody was right

3675
02:46:39,680 --> 02:46:41,680
in the middle of my driveway. So, even

3676
02:46:41,680 --> 02:46:43,439
if I cleared the driveway, I couldn't

3677
02:46:43,439 --> 02:46:46,000
get out. And the last thing I'll say is

3678
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:47,359
that, you know, the street sweeper has

3679
02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:49,520
an easy job on Park Street. It can't get

3680
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:53,120
to the curb. The the snow plow has an

3681
02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:55,359
easier job on Park Street. It can't get

3682
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:58,000
to the curb. And when it does, it goes

3683
02:46:58,000 --> 02:46:59,760
around cars as it would. It's not going

3684
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:02,000
to plow the car and it leaves a swale at

3685
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:04,319
the end of my driveway. So, that's more

3686
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:06,319
snow I have to shovel to get out of my

3687
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:08,960
own driveway. So there's seems to be an

3688
02:47:08,960 --> 02:47:12,160
incentive um for to reward people who

3689
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:14,560
have insufficient parking or don't have

3690
02:47:14,560 --> 02:47:16,160
any parking like the apartment building

3691
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:19,040
across from me as opposed to people who

3692
02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,279
live in the neighborhood because if you

3693
02:47:21,279 --> 02:47:23,520
live there and you can't park in front

3694
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:25,760
of your own house or or beside it, it's

3695
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:28,319
kind of an issue to me anyway. So thank

3696
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:30,880
you for your time.

3697
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:33,680
>> Thank you. Um

3698
02:47:33,680 --> 02:47:36,720
any other questions, comments? All

3699
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:40,070
right.

3700
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:42,399
» All right. Good evening, select board.

3701
02:47:42,399 --> 02:47:44,399
Um, my name is Mary and I live on Park

3702
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:46,160
Street. Surprise, surprise. Or I

3703
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:47,600
actually motion, I don't know if I'm

3704
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:49,760
allowed to do this, and rename it Park

3705
02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:52,479
Street because they never move. I'm here

3706
02:47:52,479 --> 02:47:54,399
as a mother of two school-aged children

3707
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:57,840
and a neighbor to ask for help. In fact,

3708
02:47:57,840 --> 02:47:59,840
all of the abuing neighbors on Park

3709
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:01,680
Street between Alden and Barry are here

3710
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:04,640
and aligned on the same safety concern.

3711
02:48:04,640 --> 02:48:07,680
We collectively total more than 130

3712
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:10,080
years of Danverse living across only

3713
02:48:10,080 --> 02:48:12,319
four homes and I rounded down for

3714
02:48:12,319 --> 02:48:15,279
people's age.

3715
02:48:15,279 --> 02:48:17,600
We already live with the recommendation

3716
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:19,279
you're considering. The parking

3717
02:48:19,279 --> 02:48:21,040
restrictions on this stretch stretch of

3718
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:23,040
Park Street between Alden and Barry have

3719
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,359
effectively been gone and uninforced for

3720
02:48:25,359 --> 02:48:28,000
years. That decision was made without

3721
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:30,720
your vote or a conversation and we've

3722
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:32,399
been living the consequences ever since

3723
02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:34,640
and that is not up for debate. In the

3724
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:37,600
last year, minus snowb, two tickets have

3725
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:40,399
been written. As Ken said, two. That's

3726
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:42,000
less than the number of accidents on the

3727
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:43,200
street and less than the number of

3728
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:45,120
vandalism reports, as Lieutenant

3729
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:47,359
Sullivan mentioned. So, this isn't

3730
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:49,359
hypothetical. We know what happens, and

3731
02:48:49,359 --> 02:48:52,000
we're living it. Cars park right up to

3732
02:48:52,000 --> 02:48:53,840
the corners, blocking visibility. You

3733
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:55,279
guys have more pictures than you can

3734
02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:57,600
deal with right now. They park up to 4

3735
02:48:57,600 --> 02:49:00,880
feet from the curb. Okay, that's also a

3736
02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:02,319
serious number. and that was witnessed

3737
02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:05,040
by one of the select board members. They

3738
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:07,279
park across the mouths of driveways so

3739
02:49:07,279 --> 02:49:08,960
that they have to edge out blindly into

3740
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:11,680
the street. The pages of pictures prove

3741
02:49:11,680 --> 02:49:13,120
this and there are certainly more that

3742
02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:15,236
we can share and plenty of videos.

3743
02:49:15,236 --> 02:49:17,040
[clears throat] Vehicles swerve to pass

3744
02:49:17,040 --> 02:49:18,880
each other since they can't pass a line

3745
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:21,359
of parked cars and buses and large

3746
02:49:21,359 --> 02:49:23,680
vehicles cause traffic to stop on either

3747
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:26,399
side. If the transcript from the DTAC

3748
02:49:26,399 --> 02:49:27,920
meeting was available, you could hear

3749
02:49:27,920 --> 02:49:29,520
the comment and acknowledgement from

3750
02:49:29,520 --> 02:49:32,000
members that everyone knows this part of

3751
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:34,160
Park Street is quote unquote a disa

3752
02:49:34,160 --> 02:49:36,479
disaster or quote unquote a mess and

3753
02:49:36,479 --> 02:49:38,160
that the suggestion is that it doesn't

3754
02:49:38,160 --> 02:49:39,600
sound like there should be parking at

3755
02:49:39,600 --> 02:49:42,960
all. Put the signage aside. None of the

3756
02:49:42,960 --> 02:49:44,560
other violations have been enforced in

3757
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:46,319
more than a year and we don't believe

3758
02:49:46,319 --> 02:49:48,000
any level of enforcement would be

3759
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:50,319
meaningful at this point. This is a

3760
02:49:50,319 --> 02:49:53,120
unique area and as you know needs unique

3761
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:55,040
consideration and they have not been

3762
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:56,880
fully considered. As you heard this was

3763
02:49:56,880 --> 02:49:59,200
not a study. These considerations need

3764
02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:02,479
to be the school, the park, the density,

3765
02:50:02,479 --> 02:50:04,640
the street side, the speed, the

3766
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:06,160
cutthrough of the downtown and the

3767
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:08,560
vandalism all without a traffic study

3768
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:11,439
that we have asked for.

3769
02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:13,120
The town clears the sidewalks in front

3770
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:14,800
of our homes for snow so that kids can

3771
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:17,120
attempt to walk to school safely. We are

3772
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:19,359
asking you to extend the same safety to

3773
02:50:19,359 --> 02:50:21,120
the street. Streets that are full of

3774
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:22,960
bikes, parked cars, and speeding

3775
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:25,359
traffic. Please choose people's public

3776
02:50:25,359 --> 02:50:27,760
safety over people's convenient parking.

3777
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:29,520
Berry Street, if this proceeds forward,

3778
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:32,080
is now available. A public lot is so

3779
02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:34,080
close by, less than 100 ft, and the

3780
02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:35,760
tenants have their own parking, they

3781
02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:37,920
choose to daily violate the law because

3782
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:40,240
it's been allowed systemically. Please

3783
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:42,000
remove parking or heavily restrict

3784
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:43,840
during school hours and overnight. You

3785
02:50:43,840 --> 02:50:48,550
got it.

3786
02:50:48,560 --> 02:50:59,269
Thank you. Um any Sure.

3787
02:50:59,279 --> 02:51:02,479
» Hi Wally Typbert 16 Alden Street. Um so

3788
02:51:02,479 --> 02:51:03,840
thank you mayor. You covered most of the

3789
02:51:03,840 --> 02:51:07,520
big points but our

3790
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:09,359
neighborhood has kind of ebbed and

3791
02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:12,000
flowed with the I'm going to use the

3792
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:13,920
density word of downtown. And I know

3793
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:18,000
that's kind of where we're going um with

3794
02:51:18,000 --> 02:51:20,000
changing all our parking restrictions

3795
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:21,920
and and their public streets. We love

3796
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:25,040
having everybody in. Um but not just our

3797
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:27,359
neighborhood, which is literally riddled

3798
02:51:27,359 --> 02:51:29,359
with traffic. As soon as 128 backs up,

3799
02:51:29,359 --> 02:51:33,600
everybody bails and everybody's been in our neighborhood.

3800
02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:36,240
Um, but School Street, the other end of

3801
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:38,560
School Street, uh, if we allow parking

3802
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:40,960
there all the time, you can't get two

3803
02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:42,640
cars up and down that street on a good

3804
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:45,520
day. So, if cars are parked for 72

3805
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:48,800
hours, which is the max, um, you you're

3806
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:50,160
never going to get up and down there.

3807
02:51:50,160 --> 02:51:52,560
And if the hardware store project goes

3808
02:51:52,560 --> 02:51:54,720
in and the density picks up there, that

3809
02:51:54,720 --> 02:51:57,120
neighborhood will will be just like

3810
02:51:57,120 --> 02:51:59,120
ours. I mean, it's a problem all around

3811
02:51:59,120 --> 02:52:00,960
town. It's not just here. It just

3812
02:52:00,960 --> 02:52:02,640
happens to be more of a safety issue

3813
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:05,760
right now in our neighborhood. If we

3814
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:08,560
lift the parking bans on the adjacent

3815
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:11,200
streets on Barry, on Alden, uh the ones

3816
02:52:11,200 --> 02:52:13,359
over on Chase, then the problems that

3817
02:52:13,359 --> 02:52:15,120
are on Park Street right now are just

3818
02:52:15,120 --> 02:52:17,520
going to go to the adjacent streets.

3819
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:19,359
So really, it's got to be more of an

3820
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:23,040
effort to control our entire density of

3821
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:25,840
downtown as as we progress to build out

3822
02:52:25,840 --> 02:52:29,200
more and more than it is, you know, try

3823
02:52:29,200 --> 02:52:31,680
to solve this problem for today, which I

3824
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:33,760
understand that's what the DTAC was

3825
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:36,240
trying to do, but it's kind of has to go

3826
02:52:36,240 --> 02:52:42,000
a little farther than that. You know, I appreciate everybody putting together

3827
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:44,560
a a select board meeting so that the all

3828
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:47,680
the rest of the residents, I mean, if we

3829
02:52:47,680 --> 02:52:49,680
had not had the vandalism issue that

3830
02:52:49,680 --> 02:52:52,160
came right now, all of this would have

3831
02:52:52,160 --> 02:52:55,200
passed. DTAC already had it in motion.

3832
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:57,120
Um,

3833
02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:58,560
it was already coming to you tonight

3834
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:00,960
whether we had this issue or not. And

3835
02:53:00,960 --> 02:53:02,399
you would have voted on it not knowing

3836
02:53:02,399 --> 02:53:05,200
that this happened.

3837
02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:07,120
and we we wouldn't have had the

3838
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:08,240
opportunity to come here and tell you

3839
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:09,760
this is our density problem. This is our

3840
02:53:09,760 --> 02:53:11,439
neighborhood problem, our school

3841
02:53:11,439 --> 02:53:14,000
problem. Um I'm fortunate enough to

3842
02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:16,000
watch our neighborhood roll for the

3843
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:18,720
third time in my life back to multiple

3844
02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:21,520
families uh with small children, which

3845
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:23,439
in my neighborhood I love to see that.

3846
02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:24,960
So they're all out in the yards, you

3847
02:53:24,960 --> 02:53:26,319
know, they're they're coming in and out

3848
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:27,840
in the cars backing onto the streets

3849
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:30,560
that were literally

3850
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:32,399
I hate to say speeding, but heavily

3851
02:53:32,399 --> 02:53:34,960
trafficked through, you know. So, so the

3852
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:36,720
density in our neighborhood, I guess

3853
02:53:36,720 --> 02:53:38,720
what I'm saying, uh, is already

3854
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:41,279
existent. Um, but but it's our

3855
02:53:41,279 --> 02:53:42,720
neighborhood, you know, and and I'm

3856
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:43,760
going to be selfish here for a minute

3857
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:46,080
and say I don't need the density any any

3858
02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:48,479
higher, you know. I I need downtown to

3859
02:53:48,479 --> 02:53:51,279
succeed. We all need that to happen. Um,

3860
02:53:51,279 --> 02:53:53,680
but not at the cost of our neighborhood.

3861
02:53:53,680 --> 02:53:55,040
And that's where it feels like we're

3862
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:57,200
going. You know, we don't have a choice.

3863
02:53:57,200 --> 02:53:59,279
It's going to bleed out. We can control

3864
02:53:59,279 --> 02:54:00,960
it or we cannot control it. eliminating

3865
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:04,160
all of the time parking uh will not help

3866
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:05,439
control it.

3867
02:54:05,439 --> 02:54:09,200
>> Thank you.

3868
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:19,429
>> Any other comments?

3869
02:54:19,439 --> 02:54:22,640
I'm Cindy Nelson. I live at 12 Berry

3870
02:54:22,640 --> 02:54:24,640
Street, the corner of Park and Berry.

3871
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:27,680
Lived there couple months short of 30

3872
02:54:27,680 --> 02:54:31,439
years. I've seen it all.

3873
02:54:31,439 --> 02:54:33,680
I'll start by saying I would love to be

3874
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:36,640
able to play kickball,

3875
02:54:36,640 --> 02:54:39,200
which I could do 30 years ago when I

3876
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:42,720
moved in. Now I have to look both ways

3877
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:46,000
before I cross my street to go to Mary's

3878
02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:50,399
house. And that's not even Park Street,

3879
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:53,040
Side Street. I just want to get our

3880
02:54:53,040 --> 02:54:55,279
safety back.

3881
02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:58,960
I want that feeling

3882
02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:01,279
of being safe.

3883
02:55:01,279 --> 02:55:04,399
It doesn't feel the same.

3884
02:55:04,399 --> 02:55:07,520
Attitudes have changed.

3885
02:55:07,520 --> 02:55:10,000
People are entitled

3886
02:55:10,000 --> 02:55:13,040
and we're not safe.

3887
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:16,319
I want my safety back. I want Mary's

3888
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:19,680
children be safe. I

3889
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:27,936
want a nice world. Thank you.

3890
02:55:27,936 --> 02:55:32,640
[clears throat] Um, any other person

3891
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:34,960
hear? None. Okay. So, uh, going back to

3892
02:55:34,960 --> 02:55:38,080
the board, uh, member twice, comments,

3893
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:39,200
questions?

3894
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:40,240
>> Sure.

3895
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:42,720
>> Um, I think that I I think that sending

3896
02:55:42,720 --> 02:55:45,279
this back for more work is per is is a

3897
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:46,880
sound decision, but I I also have

3898
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:49,760
another concern.

3899
02:55:49,760 --> 02:55:53,269
The solution

3900
02:55:53,279 --> 02:55:56,080
was it was a confluence of several

3901
02:55:56,080 --> 02:55:58,240
things. Safety concerns that people were

3902
02:55:58,240 --> 02:56:00,399
bringing up. At the same time, people

3903
02:56:00,399 --> 02:56:02,240
were talking about the enforcement

3904
02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:03,920
issues. At the same time, people were

3905
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:06,560
talking about uh the economic changes

3906
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:09,520
and the changes in that may necessitate

3907
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:12,720
consistency in the in the parking. Um, I

3908
02:56:12,720 --> 02:56:14,960
want to remind people that it's just not

3909
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:18,800
the economy of downtown or or the the structure of downtown businesses,

3910
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:22,319
which I would argue would demand tighter

3911
02:56:22,319 --> 02:56:24,399
hours. I'm glad that the street, you

3912
02:56:24,399 --> 02:56:27,439
know, Elm, uh, Maple, uh, High Street or

3913
02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:28,720
one hours and some some of the

3914
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:30,479
surrounding communities because those

3915
02:56:30,479 --> 02:56:32,080
businesses are service commodity

3916
02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:33,760
businesses. They want turnover. They

3917
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,680
want people in, they want people out.

3918
02:56:35,680 --> 02:56:37,439
Coffee shops expecting some, they want

3919
02:56:37,439 --> 02:56:38,720
the turnover. They want people to be

3920
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:40,800
parked. We all hear there's not enough

3921
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:44,479
parking downtown. So 1 hour I you might

3922
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:46,720
even shorten it. I don't know. But

3923
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:50,560
that's one thing. The enforcement um is

3924
02:56:50,560 --> 02:56:52,560
an issue too is the the consistency of

3925
02:56:52,560 --> 02:56:55,120
enforcement is important. Um I I spent a

3926
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:56,160
lot of time with the neighbors in that

3927
02:56:56,160 --> 02:56:57,520
neighborhood. They they they referred to

3928
02:56:57,520 --> 02:56:59,040
me when they said I saw certain things

3929
02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:01,840
and I did. I witnessed them myself. cars

3930
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:05,600
parked 15 20 inches away from the curb

3931
02:57:05,600 --> 02:57:08,319
which then created a condition where car

3932
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:09,600
you couldn't have two-way traffic

3933
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:12,960
anymore uh if someone had to stop. I saw

3934
02:57:12,960 --> 02:57:14,720
safety concerns and I want to talk about

3935
02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:16,960
that in a second but we need to have the

3936
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:18,960
consistency and enforcement because when

3937
02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:22,640
we don't as has happened it becomes a

3938
02:57:22,640 --> 02:57:24,720
neighbor versus neighbor issue not a

3939
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,279
neighbor versus the town's parking

3940
02:57:27,279 --> 02:57:30,000
rules. Um, it was unfortunate things

3941
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:32,160
have happened that pitted neighbor

3942
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:34,160
against neighbor and it shouldn't have.

3943
02:57:34,160 --> 02:57:36,479
Um, but I'd like to speak to the to to

3944
02:57:36,479 --> 02:57:38,640
the safety issue. That's a cut through.

3945
02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:41,040
I cut through there all the time. If I

3946
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:43,680
have to get from Locust Street to High

3947
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:45,760
Street, I am going to go down by St.

3948
02:57:45,760 --> 02:57:48,479
Mary's, cut straight across and then up

3949
02:57:48,479 --> 02:57:50,240
Park because I'm going to avoid a couple

3950
02:57:50,240 --> 02:57:52,479
of light cycles. Um, and I just know

3951
02:57:52,479 --> 02:57:54,960
it'll back up. And I know that I do it

3952
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:56,319
responsibly, but I can't guarantee

3953
02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:58,000
everybody does. It's a very uh very

3954
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:01,040
welltraveled by people other than the

3955
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:04,800
residents or the schools. Um

3956
02:58:04,800 --> 02:58:07,920
we also have an issue. I love the way we

3957
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:10,080
redid the curbs, by the way. I love how

3958
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:12,000
we did the curb bumpouts. I love that it

3959
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:13,840
minimizes the amount of crossing time. I

3960
02:58:13,840 --> 02:58:14,960
love the fact that we're getting all the

3961
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:17,200
paving done. Kudos to all the people who

3962
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:19,279
are involved in that. I think it's

3963
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:22,160
fantastic. But it does generate some new

3964
02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:23,760
situations.

3965
02:58:23,760 --> 02:58:26,560
For example, if you're coming out of

3966
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:29,760
Park Street onto High Street,

3967
02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:31,600
I can guarantee you if you're waiting at

3968
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:33,279
that stop light, if you're waiting to

3969
02:58:33,279 --> 02:58:35,600
progress, a fire truck could not make

3970
02:58:35,600 --> 02:58:37,600
that corner to go onto Park Street at

3971
02:58:37,600 --> 02:58:39,200
this point because they have to go

3972
02:58:39,200 --> 02:58:42,960
further out to make that swing. Um, I'm

3973
02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:45,120
going to suggest, yes, as you suggested

3974
02:58:45,120 --> 02:58:48,080
also, this be turned back, but as we are

3975
02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:49,680
traffic enforcement, I'm going to

3976
02:58:49,680 --> 02:58:52,640
suggest I'm going to make a motion at

3977
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:55,439
the appropriate time that we as the

3978
02:58:55,439 --> 02:58:57,920
traffic board can make and I think it's

3979
02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:00,000
fine under even though because we said

3980
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:01,200
we were going to talk about traffic

3981
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:04,080
tonight, I'm going to move that we

3982
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:06,560
create a no parking zone from High

3983
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:09,200
Street to Berry Street, which will

3984
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:11,200
eliminate, I think, four or five parking

3985
02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:13,680
spots. thoughts until a time that we can

3986
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:15,840
do a study because I would actually ask

3987
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:18,399
Lieutenant Sullivan who has sat and

3988
02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:20,640
witnessed his impression of safety on

3989
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:23,359
that on that section of street. I think

3990
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:26,000
we need to error in the side of caution

3991
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,399
create new parking until we determine it

3992
02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:30,479
if we determine it's safe and then put

3993
02:59:30,479 --> 02:59:32,080
it back and do the appropriate

3994
02:59:32,080 --> 02:59:34,319
enforcement and where we put it back.

3995
02:59:34,319 --> 02:59:37,120
But I think setting the all the changes

3996
02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:38,720
aside and I have many comments about

3997
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:41,200
those. I would motion that we as the

3998
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:43,760
traffic advisory committee, as the

3999
02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:45,520
traffic enforcement or whatever our

4000
02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:48,720
title is in this case, as the body that

4001
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:51,200
decides this, I would make a motion that

4002
02:59:51,200 --> 02:59:53,520
we have a no parking zone on both sides

4003
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:57,200
of the street from High Street to Berry

4004
02:59:57,200 --> 02:59:59,439
Street to the head of Berry Street.

4005
02:59:59,439 --> 03:00:02,479
>> Okay. [clears throat] So it's it's

4006
03:00:02,479 --> 03:00:05,600
I think we if my understanding was was

4007
03:00:05,600 --> 03:00:10,080
that we needed to inform the residents

4008
03:00:10,080 --> 03:00:12,800
and kind of have the workshop or talk

4009
03:00:12,800 --> 03:00:13,680
about it.

4010
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:15,680
>> The all the residents that will be

4011
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:18,160
affected are in this room. Yeah,

4012
03:00:18,160 --> 03:00:19,520
>> they were actually physically in this

4013
03:00:19,520 --> 03:00:20,800
room and I have talked to all of them

4014
03:00:20,800 --> 03:00:22,960
and they have say they have supportive I

4015
03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:24,399
asked them they there were several

4016
03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:26,720
options that we were that they were

4017
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:28,160
going to propose or I was going to

4018
03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:30,720
propose on their behalf. This is one of

4019
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:33,040
them and they're all supportive of

4020
03:00:33,040 --> 03:00:35,520
losing those four or five parking spots

4021
03:00:35,520 --> 03:00:38,000
for the sake of safety. The issue is in

4022
03:00:38,000 --> 03:00:40,080
front of the Fisher's house there are

4023
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:42,160
cars that park there all day long.

4024
03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:43,600
That's the same side of the street that

4025
03:00:43,600 --> 03:00:45,680
the school bus parks picks up their

4026
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:48,080
child going to the middle school. So,

4027
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:50,240
they have to walk between park cars in a

4028
03:00:50,240 --> 03:00:52,640
in an unsafe condition to get them on

4029
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:55,279
the bus. So, just error on the side of

4030
03:00:55,279 --> 03:00:57,680
safety right now. Look at it and decide

4031
03:00:57,680 --> 03:01:00,479
if there's a safe way to have parking on

4032
03:01:00,479 --> 03:01:03,520
one side or the other. Uh, I think we've

4033
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:06,319
added to the concerns by by the

4034
03:01:06,319 --> 03:01:09,520
excellent road work we did, but I I

4035
03:01:09,520 --> 03:01:11,760
think I I it to me they've demonstrated

4036
03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:13,439
a clear safety issue and I would

4037
03:01:13,439 --> 03:01:16,000
actually ask through you if Lieutenant

4038
03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:18,160
Sulliv can can comment about the safety

4039
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:20,080
issues he's seen in that area.

4040
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:24,800
>> Okay. So, um, yeah, Lieutenant Go. I

4041
03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:29,920
mean because my initial thought is

4042
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:33,520
eliminating parking without informing

4043
03:01:33,520 --> 03:01:35,200
the I mean I understand some of the

4044
03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:38,720
residents are here but

4045
03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:41,359
there also other people within the town

4046
03:01:41,359 --> 03:01:43,600
who

4047
03:01:43,600 --> 03:01:47,439
may want to have a say. Uh but what say

4048
03:01:47,439 --> 03:01:49,600
you uh I [clears throat] had the

4049
03:01:49,600 --> 03:01:51,760
opportunity after our first meeting um I

4050
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:54,720
met with Mrs. fish after our two I think

4051
03:01:54,720 --> 03:01:56,960
we were here for two hours and we got to

4052
03:01:56,960 --> 03:01:58,720
sit on Park Street and watch what was

4053
03:01:58,720 --> 03:01:59,920
going on. I happened to be in an

4054
03:01:59,920 --> 03:02:02,880
unmarked cruiser. Um I was unfamiliar

4055
03:02:02,880 --> 03:02:04,800
with some of the cars who were in in

4056
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:06,880
their neighborhood. Um and just while I

4057
03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:08,319
was sitting there, you could see when

4058
03:02:08,319 --> 03:02:10,080
the person discovers that it's a

4059
03:02:10,080 --> 03:02:12,080
cruiser. Um they were about to go

4060
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:14,560
through the the stop sign. Um they they

4061
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:16,560
saw me. Um some people when they saw a

4062
03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:18,160
cruiser, they started coming out to move

4063
03:02:18,160 --> 03:02:20,399
their cars uh because they thought they

4064
03:02:20,399 --> 03:02:22,800
were going to be tagged. Um, while we

4065
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:25,520
were there, there were uh lots of kids,

4066
03:02:25,520 --> 03:02:27,279
as we know on bikes, we oddly enough did

4067
03:02:27,279 --> 03:02:29,920
see a one child on a skateboard and not

4068
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:31,359
with the motor. He actually had to push

4069
03:02:31,359 --> 03:02:32,160
himself.

4070
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,160
>> Uh, I didn't know they still made those.

4071
03:02:34,160 --> 03:02:36,720
Um, but just the um, you know, but

4072
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:38,080
people are commenting on the use of the

4073
03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:40,640
school. I do think a lot of

4074
03:02:40,640 --> 03:02:46,640
my paragraph here was specific to a one or two hour parking regulation

4075
03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:49,520
there. Um, I do think DTAC, the police

4076
03:02:49,520 --> 03:02:50,960
department, and the select board could

4077
03:02:50,960 --> 03:02:52,560
take a look at the entire Backbay

4078
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:54,800
neighborhood and see what could be done,

4079
03:02:54,800 --> 03:02:56,080
what's happening, and what can be done

4080
03:02:56,080 --> 03:02:57,920
to improve the safety for everyone using

4081
03:02:57,920 --> 03:03:02,160
it. Um, I do think the the the most of

4082
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:03,600
the parking and traffic regulations we

4083
03:03:03,600 --> 03:03:04,880
have now were from when the middle

4084
03:03:04,880 --> 03:03:07,120
school wasn't the middle school. It was

4085
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:10,880
an alternative high school. Um, that was

4086
03:03:10,880 --> 03:03:13,600
it was a much smaller school. So, now we

4087
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:15,439
have a fully functioning middle school

4088
03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:18,319
there. once again. Um, and I don't think

4089
03:03:18,319 --> 03:03:19,760
any of the regulations have changed

4090
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:22,960
other than the 25 mph thickly settled

4091
03:03:22,960 --> 03:03:24,319
district. I think is the only change we

4092
03:03:24,319 --> 03:03:26,080
made in the area. But I do think there's

4093
03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:28,399
an opportunity going forward to talk to

4094
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:30,399
so we have a traffic engineer that works

4095
03:03:30,399 --> 03:03:33,520
part of uh the the committee um

4096
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:36,479
engineering DPW police select board

4097
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:38,880
community members and see how we can

4098
03:03:38,880 --> 03:03:41,279
make the the neighborhood safe which I

4099
03:03:41,279 --> 03:03:42,880
think would be a longer term

4100
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:46,720
conversation aside from but also

4101
03:03:46,720 --> 03:03:48,560
including parking regulations as to

4102
03:03:48,560 --> 03:03:49,680
what's happening there and there there

4103
03:03:49,680 --> 03:03:53,840
are lots of things you can do through uh through engineering projects

4104
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:56,080
uh as as You see, if I put a cruiser

4105
03:03:56,080 --> 03:03:58,800
there, um they see me, they may or may

4106
03:03:58,800 --> 03:04:03,120
not stop. Um I I shared with the um the

4107
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:05,680
residents, so some of the um some of the

4108
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:07,840
parents that pick up their students from

4109
03:04:07,840 --> 03:04:09,920
the middle school. Um one mom was honest

4110
03:04:09,920 --> 03:04:11,359
with me last year. She said, "I know how

4111
03:04:11,359 --> 03:04:14,080
it works. Uh you come down for a couple

4112
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:16,560
of days and you move us along and then

4113
03:04:16,560 --> 03:04:18,240
you come down a few more days later and

4114
03:04:18,240 --> 03:04:19,600
we're still here, so you start writing

4115
03:04:19,600 --> 03:04:21,200
tickets, but we know you're not going to

4116
03:04:21,200 --> 03:04:23,120
keep coming. uh you can't come here

4117
03:04:23,120 --> 03:04:24,640
every day. So, we just wait till you go

4118
03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:26,080
away and we'll come back and we'll park

4119
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:27,760
here to pick up our kids. So, that's

4120
03:04:27,760 --> 03:04:29,600
kind of what we're combating with the

4121
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:31,200
enforcement. We can't be everywhere at

4122
03:04:31,200 --> 03:04:32,640
the same at the same time. So, some of

4123
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:34,800
these issues like speed, intersection

4124
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:36,399
crossings can be addressed through like

4125
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:38,960
engineering type projects.

4126
03:04:38,960 --> 03:04:41,040
>> Okay. Thank you. Let me get a sense from

4127
03:04:41,040 --> 03:04:44,000
other board member. Member Bennett.

4128
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:46,399
Well, I think we all agree we want to

4129
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:50,640
have a workshop to hear from the area so

4130
03:04:50,640 --> 03:04:54,000
that everybody in the area of Backbay

4131
03:04:54,000 --> 03:04:57,279
feels safe.

4132
03:04:57,279 --> 03:05:00,000
What you're looking for Berry Street is

4133
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:03,520
looking for um immediate

4134
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:07,920
uh relief. Um I was not aware what was

4135
03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:10,800
going on. I got an email today from Mr.

4136
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:13,200
Fish. I told him I'd walk the

4137
03:05:13,200 --> 03:05:16,399
neighborhood. I did. I saw four cars

4138
03:05:16,399 --> 03:05:20,080
parked on the street at 11:00.

4139
03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:23,359
Obviously, school wasn't getting out. It

4140
03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:25,600
I'm not sure that those four cars are

4141
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:30,080
the um repeat offenders. I don't go down

4142
03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:32,160
there every day, but the road look

4143
03:05:32,160 --> 03:05:34,160
clear. There's no parking one side. It's

4144
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:36,960
posted for the time limit on the other

4145
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:40,479
side. So, I mean, I really I I don't

4146
03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:43,040
know. what we can do immediately

4147
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:45,120
tonight. Now, Garden has been more

4148
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:48,720
involved. Um, yes, cars have a habit of

4149
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:51,359
parking. Uh, not close enough to the

4150
03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:54,319
curb. Uh, Page Street when they do that,

4151
03:05:54,319 --> 03:05:57,600
we have less than 12 feet to get

4152
03:05:57,600 --> 03:06:00,640
through. I don't know how much feet a

4153
03:06:00,640 --> 03:06:03,520
fire truck needs, but I see trucks go

4154
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:05,840
very slowly to getting down there. And

4155
03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:07,439
anybody that parks on Page Street

4156
03:06:07,439 --> 03:06:09,279
doesn't pull their mirror in is asking

4157
03:06:09,279 --> 03:06:11,520
for a problem. But that's a different

4158
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:15,279
story. Um, we need to do something. I'm

4159
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:19,279
not sure that a quick no parking is

4160
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:23,279
proper or not at this point.

4161
03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:24,399
>> Member Bernard.

4162
03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:27,920
>> Yeah. Um, with everybody too, I think,

4163
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:31,600
um, safety is number one. Um, that area

4164
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:33,439
is congested.

4165
03:06:33,439 --> 03:06:35,359
Um, to hear what you said, Lieutenant

4166
03:06:35,359 --> 03:06:37,680
Sullivan, thank you. that the parents

4167
03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:40,240
have it figured out. You know, maybe we

4168
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:42,479
need to change it up and showing them we

4169
03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:43,920
got to start ticketing them more and

4170
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:46,319
more to get them to stop. Um, you know,

4171
03:06:46,319 --> 03:06:49,120
you've got sports, right? I mean, tons

4172
03:06:49,120 --> 03:06:50,960
of kids. I mean, I bring my grandkids

4173
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:53,520
there. You know what I'm saying? Um, I'm

4174
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:55,279
concerned for the for the safety of the

4175
03:06:55,279 --> 03:06:58,160
children and the neighbors. Um, I think

4176
03:06:58,160 --> 03:07:00,479
a traffic study needs to be done, you

4177
03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:02,800
know, in certain areas, high density

4178
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:05,600
area areas. Um I appreciate all the

4179
03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:07,680
work, but I like what Gardner said

4180
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:09,920
about, you know, um the enforcement

4181
03:07:09,920 --> 03:07:13,920
issues and uh the workshop, you know, um

4182
03:07:13,920 --> 03:07:15,359
so the residents so we can hear it from

4183
03:07:15,359 --> 03:07:17,680
everybody. And you know, like we talked

4184
03:07:17,680 --> 03:07:19,920
about neighbors being

4185
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:21,520
um

4186
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:23,920
let let the neighbors know that. Get it

4187
03:07:23,920 --> 03:07:26,160
out there so they do know to show up and

4188
03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:28,960
show their concern so we can hear it. I

4189
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:30,319
don't I don't want to make any decisions

4190
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:33,120
tonight either. I'd like to table it and

4191
03:07:33,120 --> 03:07:38,319
go along with my board members and uh

4192
03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:39,600
get this safe for everything because

4193
03:07:39,600 --> 03:07:41,680
I've driven down there. It is I'm with

4194
03:07:41,680 --> 03:07:43,760
Gardner too. I'll cut through sometimes

4195
03:07:43,760 --> 03:07:46,800
too and uh I'm very concerned you know

4196
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:48,640
we don't want anything bad to happen. So

4197
03:07:48,640 --> 03:07:51,200
let's let's get ahead of it.

4198
03:07:51,200 --> 03:07:51,760
>> Thank you.

4199
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:53,359
member Bean. And which I

4200
03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:55,680
believe is also you're on the DTAG,

4201
03:07:55,680 --> 03:07:56,160
right?

4202
03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:56,720
>> Yes.

4203
03:07:56,720 --> 03:07:57,600
>> Okay.

4204
03:07:57,600 --> 03:07:59,439
>> Thank you very much. I appreciate you

4205
03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:00,640
giving me this time. I'm kind of

4206
03:08:00,640 --> 03:08:02,880
bursting at the seams here and I hate to

4207
03:08:02,880 --> 03:08:06,000
be uh negative Nelly but um it comes

4208
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:08,319
back to the same thing I say at all the

4209
03:08:08,319 --> 03:08:11,520
meetings which is uh work ethic and we

4210
03:08:11,520 --> 03:08:13,120
have to get the people that are supposed

4211
03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:14,960
to do their job getting out there doing

4212
03:08:14,960 --> 03:08:16,880
it. I think that as selectable we should

4213
03:08:16,880 --> 03:08:19,200
ask the police department to quadruple

4214
03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:21,680
their traffic stop numbers. That's

4215
03:08:21,680 --> 03:08:24,399
asking you to repeat the era that I

4216
03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:26,720
worked there and nobody was breaking a

4217
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:29,359
sweat back then. And I don't want to

4218
03:08:29,359 --> 03:08:32,080
talk like this, but

4219
03:08:32,080 --> 03:08:34,880
uh enforcement has been said by four or

4220
03:08:34,880 --> 03:08:36,560
five of the people that live on the

4221
03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:38,880
street. And the traffic problem is

4222
03:08:38,880 --> 03:08:40,560
everywhere. It's not just your street.

4223
03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:42,000
It's everywhere. People don't know how

4224
03:08:42,000 --> 03:08:44,319
to drive today. Kids don't know anything

4225
03:08:44,319 --> 03:08:47,520
about what they're doing. Uh not that a

4226
03:08:47,520 --> 03:08:49,120
lot. Well, I shouldn't just say kids,

4227
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:51,840
but you know, it's the traffic is awful.

4228
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:54,399
But the enforcement

4229
03:08:54,399 --> 03:08:57,680
is the punishment for your poor driving

4230
03:08:57,680 --> 03:09:00,319
behavior. And I don't think you guys

4231
03:09:00,319 --> 03:09:02,080
have any more calls for service than

4232
03:09:02,080 --> 03:09:03,920
when the era that I worked there. I

4233
03:09:03,920 --> 03:09:06,240
think you have what 25 30,000 calls for

4234
03:09:06,240 --> 03:09:06,800
service.

4235
03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:08,319
>> Um, member Bean, I

4236
03:09:08,319 --> 03:09:09,439
>> am Am I going off track?

4237
03:09:09,439 --> 03:09:11,359
>> A little bit. So if you want to just

4238
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:11,920
stay

4239
03:09:11,920 --> 03:09:13,520
>> I'm just saying that I think that

4240
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:14,399
>> the

4241
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:17,840
>> we need to ask them to do more

4242
03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:21,359
enforcement to it does matter more

4243
03:09:21,359 --> 03:09:24,319
tickets will stop this stuff from happen

4244
03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:27,439
happening. That's just simple math. It

4245
03:09:27,439 --> 03:09:29,680
will happen. There'll be less people

4246
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:32,399
speeding down the street. Random traffic

4247
03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:35,359
situations. Mix it up. Don't make it,

4248
03:09:35,359 --> 03:09:36,800
you know, common. But I don't want to

4249
03:09:36,800 --> 03:09:40,240
tell you what to do. I'm just saying

4250
03:09:40,240 --> 03:09:42,479
I think it can be dealt with and then

4251
03:09:42,479 --> 03:09:44,080
all these other things and engineering

4252
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:46,319
and all that as well. But none of these

4253
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:48,640
rules mean anything without enforcement.

4254
03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:51,120
So we can just it's just a waste of

4255
03:09:51,120 --> 03:09:52,640
time.

4256
03:09:52,640 --> 03:09:55,040
>> And I agree uh with Mr. Bean, but I do

4257
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:57,920
want to point out that one of one of the

4258
03:09:57,920 --> 03:09:59,840
legs of this three-legged stool is

4259
03:09:59,840 --> 03:10:02,000
parking enforcement. It's not just

4260
03:10:02,000 --> 03:10:04,080
traffic enforcement. It's just speeding.

4261
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:05,520
It's the consistency of traffic

4262
03:10:05,520 --> 03:10:07,680
enforcement. Because I can tell you in

4263
03:10:07,680 --> 03:10:09,279
front of the Fisher's house, they have

4264
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:10,479
neighbors across the street in an

4265
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:12,319
apartment complex that consistently use

4266
03:10:12,319 --> 03:10:14,160
those as their private parking spots.

4267
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:16,720
Even though they have other spots in

4268
03:10:16,720 --> 03:10:18,399
their apartment complex, they find it

4269
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:20,240
easier to park across the street, see

4270
03:10:20,240 --> 03:10:22,240
their car from their apartment, stay

4271
03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:25,760
there all day or days. And I think that

4272
03:10:25,760 --> 03:10:28,479
what we need to do is without changing

4273
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:31,120
anything I think we as a board should

4274
03:10:31,120 --> 03:10:34,000
ask for more consistent enforcement even

4275
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:36,080
if it's a spotlight enforcement in that

4276
03:10:36,080 --> 03:10:38,640
area just to alleviate that issue.

4277
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:40,960
That's one of the one of the conditions

4278
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:46,240
that are adding to this whole mix. So if you aren't gonna buy into the motion

4279
03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:48,800
that we should have a safety zone um you

4280
03:10:48,800 --> 03:10:52,479
know from High Street to the head of of

4281
03:10:52,479 --> 03:10:55,120
Berry um and want to leave it the way it

4282
03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:58,479
is, leave it the way it is, but make

4283
03:10:58,479 --> 03:11:00,399
sure the enforcement they'll get the

4284
03:11:00,399 --> 03:11:02,000
message. They'll they see that they see

4285
03:11:02,000 --> 03:11:04,800
the patrol car. They see after 2 or 3

4286
03:11:04,800 --> 03:11:07,120
days of of the uh parking enforcement

4287
03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:08,880
person going down and ticketing them,

4288
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:11,359
they'll see that. And then it's then

4289
03:11:11,359 --> 03:11:14,080
that those neighbors issues are with the

4290
03:11:14,080 --> 03:11:16,479
town, not with the other surrounding

4291
03:11:16,479 --> 03:11:19,520
neighbors. So I would minimally ask that

4292
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:22,319
we ask for heightened enforcement in in

4293
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:24,640
that area of Backbay.

4294
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:28,880
>> Okay. Thank you. So I I it seems to we

4295
03:11:28,880 --> 03:11:31,600
seem to be building a consensus that

4296
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:34,720
we're going to table this issue.

4297
03:11:34,720 --> 03:11:39,200
Uh but um recommend to the town manager

4298
03:11:39,200 --> 03:11:42,319
to kind of see how we can increase

4299
03:11:42,319 --> 03:11:46,240
enforcement activities in that area.

4300
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:47,439
>> Um

4301
03:11:47,439 --> 03:11:49,680
>> if I may, Mr. Chairman, a just a couple

4302
03:11:49,680 --> 03:11:51,600
of things. Um I appreciate everybody's

4303
03:11:51,600 --> 03:11:54,399
comments and feedback tonight. Um a

4304
03:11:54,399 --> 03:11:55,680
couple things that we can talk through

4305
03:11:55,680 --> 03:11:59,120
for clarity either in um myself in the

4306
03:11:59,120 --> 03:12:01,359
chair or you guys can talk through here

4307
03:12:01,359 --> 03:12:05,040
understand table this um I'm hearing

4308
03:12:05,040 --> 03:12:09,439
workshop a larger workshop on um on

4309
03:12:09,439 --> 03:12:11,359
parking and traffic I agree that that

4310
03:12:11,359 --> 03:12:13,920
you are the board who so our our team

4311
03:12:13,920 --> 03:12:16,080
has spent several hours um and the

4312
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:18,080
fishes have been um participating in

4313
03:12:18,080 --> 03:12:19,600
that talking about it so I think it's

4314
03:12:19,600 --> 03:12:21,680
important that if the board hear it

4315
03:12:21,680 --> 03:12:24,240
directly so I also recommend the

4316
03:12:24,240 --> 03:12:28,640
workshop type um situation. Um so I I

4317
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:29,840
don't know if you guys want to talk that

4318
03:12:29,840 --> 03:12:33,359
through or what that looks like now um

4319
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:34,960
or maybe later. I should probably put in

4320
03:12:34,960 --> 03:12:36,800
perspective what your schedule looks

4321
03:12:36,800 --> 03:12:39,439
like over the next um several months

4322
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:41,840
leading into special town meeting. Um

4323
03:12:41,840 --> 03:12:43,520
the notification piece I'll need clarity

4324
03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:46,160
on that as well too. notification, like

4325
03:12:46,160 --> 03:12:49,359
I said at the start, is um is governed

4326
03:12:49,359 --> 03:12:51,200
by Mass General law and when it comes to

4327
03:12:51,200 --> 03:12:53,760
traffic changes, we're required to post

4328
03:12:53,760 --> 03:12:55,760
it in a public newspaper after the

4329
03:12:55,760 --> 03:12:58,160
decision is made, not my law. So, I'm

4330
03:12:58,160 --> 03:12:59,760
not saying I support that, but that is

4331
03:12:59,760 --> 03:13:02,080
what we are held accountable to. So, if

4332
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:03,439
the board wants something different than

4333
03:13:03,439 --> 03:13:05,120
that, we need to better understand what

4334
03:13:05,120 --> 03:13:07,359
that means. Um, I would recommend when

4335
03:13:07,359 --> 03:13:09,680
you're talking about

4336
03:13:09,680 --> 03:13:13,840
um a a notification this large, and I

4337
03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:14,800
don't know if you guys have done this

4338
03:13:14,800 --> 03:13:17,120
with some of your zoning, um, it's it's

4339
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:19,120
best to do a general notification um,

4340
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:20,640
because it's cost prohibitive and time

4341
03:13:20,640 --> 03:13:22,640
prohibited to do every single resident

4342
03:13:22,640 --> 03:13:24,960
and where do you cut off from, right?

4343
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:26,800
Like you might live on this street. Does

4344
03:13:26,800 --> 03:13:28,800
the person in the back with their back

4345
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:30,319
to you also get it or not? So, it

4346
03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:31,600
becomes complicated when you're covering

4347
03:13:31,600 --> 03:13:34,160
a large space. So, we'll need clarity on

4348
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:39,120
that. Um, parking enforcement, uh, I

4349
03:13:39,120 --> 03:13:41,200
agree, difficult to do. I've had

4350
03:13:41,200 --> 03:13:42,720
concerns about parking enforcement since

4351
03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:44,720
I started just because of the way we

4352
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:47,279
have it set up. We have one part-time

4353
03:13:47,279 --> 03:13:50,239
parking enforcement officer. Um, there

4354
03:13:50,239 --> 03:13:52,160
is no way the fishes are here in front

4355
03:13:52,160 --> 03:13:53,600
of you and this neighborhood in front of

4356
03:13:53,600 --> 03:13:56,160
you here today. But if the police

4357
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:57,520
brought in a log of all the parking

4358
03:13:57,520 --> 03:13:59,680
enforcement calls they get and or we do

4359
03:13:59,680 --> 03:14:01,680
at town hall, you would see that there's

4360
03:14:01,680 --> 03:14:03,520
no way that one person, one part-time

4361
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:06,960
person can spotlight any one area. Um,

4362
03:14:06,960 --> 03:14:09,040
so I think we need to clarify that. And

4363
03:14:09,040 --> 03:14:10,720
I should uh also let you know that we've

4364
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:12,080
started already talking with the clerk

4365
03:14:12,080 --> 03:14:15,439
and the chief on overhauling and looking

4366
03:14:15,439 --> 03:14:18,000
at our parking enforcement in general.

4367
03:14:18,000 --> 03:14:19,920
Um, I don't think we're set up for

4368
03:14:19,920 --> 03:14:21,600
success in Danvers in parking

4369
03:14:21,600 --> 03:14:25,359
enforcement. the um across the board. Um

4370
03:14:25,359 --> 03:14:27,680
so I think there's a like I think if

4371
03:14:27,680 --> 03:14:29,520
we're going to do this have that larger

4372
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:31,439
conversation, all of those pieces should

4373
03:14:31,439 --> 03:14:32,800
be a part of it and there's some clarity

4374
03:14:32,800 --> 03:14:36,720
that we will need going forward. Um, I

4375
03:14:36,720 --> 03:14:39,600
will say also in order, and I believe

4376
03:14:39,600 --> 03:14:41,920
Madame Clerk can clarify this and or

4377
03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:44,080
Lieutenant Sullivan, if you want

4378
03:14:44,080 --> 03:14:48,399
additional enforcement um on Park Street

4379
03:14:48,399 --> 03:14:50,880
immediately, there is a correction that

4380
03:14:50,880 --> 03:14:52,640
needs to be made in the book. If I

4381
03:14:52,640 --> 03:14:54,880
understand this right, the signage in

4382
03:14:54,880 --> 03:14:59,600
the book do not correspond. So, in order

4383
03:14:59,600 --> 03:15:02,479
to So, if that's a result you guys want

4384
03:15:02,479 --> 03:15:04,880
tonight, um there's something that we

4385
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:06,239
there is something that has to at least

4386
03:15:06,239 --> 03:15:08,720
be clarified cuz I I think it's a side I

4387
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:10,880
think it's a I'm going to leave it to

4388
03:15:10,880 --> 03:15:13,120
Lieutenant Sullivan and the clerk cuz

4389
03:15:13,120 --> 03:15:14,800
they're the ones who are in the details

4390
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:18,000
of this. But if so, and I to get to the

4391
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:19,600
tickets only tickets have been written,

4392
03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:21,120
but then they're appealed. They're

4393
03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:22,880
appealed if there's an inconsistency

4394
03:15:22,880 --> 03:15:25,840
between the signage and the what's in

4395
03:15:25,840 --> 03:15:27,680
the traffic rules and ordinance. If

4396
03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:29,200
there's if we are if it's and it's on

4397
03:15:29,200 --> 03:15:30,160
the town, right? If we're not

4398
03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:33,040
consistent, then we can't uphold if

4399
03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:34,640
they'll they can appeal to take it

4400
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:36,640
beyond the clerk and then it'll just get

4401
03:15:36,640 --> 03:15:38,080
thrown out, which is then the clerk has

4402
03:15:38,080 --> 03:15:39,520
to go to cler court and this and that.

4403
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:42,080
So, if you want immediate

4404
03:15:42,080 --> 03:15:44,319
um

4405
03:15:44,319 --> 03:15:47,279
uh enforcement that will stick, I do

4406
03:15:47,279 --> 03:15:48,399
believe there's a change that needs to

4407
03:15:48,399 --> 03:15:50,000
be made tonight, which I don't think is

4408
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:51,439
what you're looking for in the big

4409
03:15:51,439 --> 03:15:56,080
picture of changes, but I think it's justice even to enforce the 1 hour

4410
03:15:56,080 --> 03:15:57,680
is what I'm getting at. even to enforce

4411
03:15:57,680 --> 03:15:59,279
the 1 hour. I think there needs to be a

4412
03:15:59,279 --> 03:16:00,640
change. But let's let Lieutenant

4413
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:01,359
Sullivan talk.

4414
03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:03,680
>> So before Lieutenant Sullivan uh speaks,

4415
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:06,319
Madame Clerk, uh any idea about what

4416
03:16:06,319 --> 03:16:08,880
those inconsistencies are about?

4417
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:13,520
>> Uh I believe on page uh 27 of the book.

4418
03:16:13,520 --> 03:16:14,080
>> Mhm.

4419
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:16,720
>> Um the book indicates that it's the

4420
03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:18,479
southside, not the north side, or the

4421
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:20,560
north side, not the south side. And then

4422
03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:23,680
there's a a wording of 107 ft from High

4423
03:16:23,680 --> 03:16:26,960
Street. That's confusing because if you

4424
03:16:26,960 --> 03:16:28,640
depending on how you read it, it would

4425
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:32,239
appear that there's no parking from High

4426
03:16:32,239 --> 03:16:34,880
Street to

4427
03:16:34,880 --> 03:16:37,920
um that was that Alden. What street is

4428
03:16:37,920 --> 03:16:40,399
that? The first one.

4429
03:16:40,399 --> 03:16:41,359
>> Alden.

4430
03:16:41,359 --> 03:16:44,479
>> So that it's confusing. So the the

4431
03:16:44,479 --> 03:16:46,960
correction or the expected correction

4432
03:16:46,960 --> 03:16:50,399
would have been to correct the direction

4433
03:16:50,399 --> 03:16:53,680
and then 107 ft would be um struck from

4434
03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:54,560
that side

4435
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:57,120
>> that would make the book consistent with

4436
03:16:57,120 --> 03:16:58,720
what's on the ground and then I think

4437
03:16:58,720 --> 03:17:01,040
there is some other signage Lieutenant

4438
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:03,840
Sullivan that may need to happen to to

4439
03:17:03,840 --> 03:17:05,520
clarify that area as well.

4440
03:17:05,520 --> 03:17:09,120
>> Correct. So the f the first block is um

4441
03:17:09,120 --> 03:17:10,640
at least last time I drove down it was

4442
03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:12,880
correctly signed. the second block which

4443
03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:15,840
is Alden Terry has one random sign in

4444
03:17:15,840 --> 03:17:17,920
the middle of the block. So that signage

4445
03:17:17,920 --> 03:17:20,579
issue is easily fixable with one sign.

4446
03:17:20,579 --> 03:17:21,359
[music]

4447
03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:24,800
Um the the the regulation does say

4448
03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:27,920
though Park Street 107 ft from High to

4449
03:17:27,920 --> 03:17:31,120
Berry is 1 hour. That indicates 1 hour

4450
03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:34,080
around the clock. Um except for Sundays

4451
03:17:34,080 --> 03:17:35,359
and holidays. That's the language you

4452
03:17:35,359 --> 03:17:38,319
were looking to add. Um 8:00 a.m. till

4453
03:17:38,319 --> 03:17:41,520
6:00 p.m. would apply to this table. So,

4454
03:17:41,520 --> 03:17:43,200
all of these streets would be the 8:00

4455
03:17:43,200 --> 03:17:46,239
a.m. till 6:00 p.m. for whatever these

4456
03:17:46,239 --> 03:17:48,640
hours say. Um, so then we would need to

4457
03:17:48,640 --> 03:17:51,040
whatever the board decides, we would

4458
03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:53,520
then need to make sure that that one

4459
03:17:53,520 --> 03:17:55,520
sign gets replaced, but also what's on

4460
03:17:55,520 --> 03:17:58,160
the sign is accurate. Um, so if we get

4461
03:17:58,160 --> 03:18:01,120
that done, education of the operator,

4462
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:03,120
enforcement against the operator, and

4463
03:18:03,120 --> 03:18:07,040
then appeals would kind of be seamless,

4464
03:18:07,040 --> 03:18:09,359
but as it's nothing matches right now.

4465
03:18:09,359 --> 03:18:10,640
which doesn't match the sign which

4466
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:12,239
doesn't match anything else.

4467
03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:12,479
>> Yeah.

4468
03:18:12,479 --> 03:18:14,720
>> A technical question.

4469
03:18:14,720 --> 03:18:16,800
>> A sign is posted for example. I know for

4470
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:18,720
a sign is posted in front of Ken's house

4471
03:18:18,720 --> 03:18:22,319
says 1 hour parking. It has time on it

4472
03:18:22,319 --> 03:18:23,600
except for Sundays in the other

4473
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:25,600
language.

4474
03:18:25,600 --> 03:18:28,880
How long does that sign extend? Because

4475
03:18:28,880 --> 03:18:30,960
the missing sign is in front of the

4476
03:18:30,960 --> 03:18:33,120
fish's house which is less than 100 ft

4477
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:37,279
away. And then happens Alden.

4478
03:18:37,279 --> 03:18:39,120
And then happens this block between

4479
03:18:39,120 --> 03:18:43,359
Alden and Barry. So if is the one sign

4480
03:18:43,359 --> 03:18:46,479
in front of Ken's house sufficient to

4481
03:18:46,479 --> 03:18:48,960
cover the rest of the way to to Alden

4482
03:18:48,960 --> 03:18:51,200
>> where you have a change halfway down the

4483
03:18:51,200 --> 03:18:53,279
street. So after Berry Street, it turns

4484
03:18:53,279 --> 03:18:54,479
into unrestricted.

4485
03:18:54,479 --> 03:18:54,960
>> Right.

4486
03:18:54,960 --> 03:18:57,120
>> So what we would like to see is

4487
03:18:57,120 --> 03:18:59,040
essentially at the intersection of Berry

4488
03:18:59,040 --> 03:19:01,680
Street is the sign that says

4489
03:19:01,680 --> 03:19:04,160
>> parking these hours these days with an

4490
03:19:04,160 --> 03:19:06,479
arrow facing back towards High Street.

4491
03:19:06,479 --> 03:19:06,880
Okay.

4492
03:19:06,880 --> 03:19:08,560
>> You don't need one. You don't need one

4493
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:10,640
in front of every house. You don't uh

4494
03:19:10,640 --> 03:19:13,359
But it's Mr. Bradstreet always asks the

4495
03:19:13,359 --> 03:19:16,640
question, where does no parking here

4496
03:19:16,640 --> 03:19:19,120
mean? And I think most people you do see

4497
03:19:19,120 --> 03:19:21,840
people parked right under that sign. So

4498
03:19:21,840 --> 03:19:23,520
that's an easy answer. But if you're

4499
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:25,760
parked two houses down, did that sign

4500
03:19:25,760 --> 03:19:27,200
actually mean going towards the middle

4501
03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:30,160
school or did that sign mean going past

4502
03:19:30,160 --> 03:19:31,040
back towards high?

4503
03:19:31,040 --> 03:19:31,439
>> Okay.

4504
03:19:31,439 --> 03:19:33,120
>> Only on block. You have some streets

4505
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:34,640
though that are no parking the entire

4506
03:19:34,640 --> 03:19:36,399
length. So you don't need the arrows.

4507
03:19:36,399 --> 03:19:38,399
It's just a couple of signs each block

4508
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:39,840
and you're fine. But where we change

4509
03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:42,239
kind of mid street and then we alternate

4510
03:19:42,239 --> 03:19:44,239
some sides mid street. We just need

4511
03:19:44,239 --> 03:19:45,840
>> just for this specific section. Not

4512
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:48,000
dealing with all the other changes.

4513
03:19:48,000 --> 03:19:50,319
Would the change be to change it from

4514
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:52,560
north to south? Change it from high

4515
03:19:52,560 --> 03:19:54,479
street to Berry Street. Add the sign

4516
03:19:54,479 --> 03:19:55,520
you're talking about in front of the

4517
03:19:55,520 --> 03:19:58,319
Fisher's house and change the time to

4518
03:19:58,319 --> 03:20:00,080
the time that we actually already

4519
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:02,319
approved the language that we approved

4520
03:20:02,319 --> 03:20:04,399
earlier which is 8 to 6. I don't think

4521
03:20:04,399 --> 03:20:05,920
we've approved that language. I think

4522
03:20:05,920 --> 03:20:08,239
>> No, no, we did approve the general

4523
03:20:08,239 --> 03:20:10,800
language in the section in the second

4524
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:11,359
bullet.

4525
03:20:11,359 --> 03:20:12,800
>> We we did not.

4526
03:20:12,800 --> 03:20:13,520
>> Oh, we

4527
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:18,630
>> that needed to be refined. Yes.

4528
03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:22,000
If the issue of enforcement is lack of

4529
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:24,800
clarity, then I would recommend we put a

4530
03:20:24,800 --> 03:20:27,120
sign back in front of the fish's house

4531
03:20:27,120 --> 03:20:29,359
for whatever the current standards are,

4532
03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:32,239
whatever they are now, pre-changing and

4533
03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:34,880
ask for enforcement.

4534
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:37,520
>> I I just Mr. Chair threw you again. I

4535
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:40,399
think there's I think it's both. Um and

4536
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:42,160
correct me if I'm wrong. It's the book

4537
03:20:42,160 --> 03:20:43,920
has one. in the book has, I believe, the

4538
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:45,680
wrong side of the street. North, south,

4539
03:20:45,680 --> 03:20:46,640
something.

4540
03:20:46,640 --> 03:20:49,359
>> One's east, west. That matters, but it's

4541
03:20:49,359 --> 03:20:50,800
>> the street one's east, west. So, there's

4542
03:20:50,800 --> 03:20:52,880
a north side and a south side, right? If

4543
03:20:52,880 --> 03:20:54,560
it goes east and west, north is this

4544
03:20:54,560 --> 03:20:56,000
way, south is that way.

4545
03:20:56,000 --> 03:20:59,439
>> Um, west, east, north, south. Um,

4546
03:20:59,439 --> 03:21:01,040
>> but that's why they say north side or

4547
03:21:01,040 --> 03:21:04,399
south side, not end side. Um, so I think

4548
03:21:04,399 --> 03:21:06,479
it's this. So, there's a correction that

4549
03:21:06,479 --> 03:21:08,160
needs to be made in the book as well

4550
03:21:08,160 --> 03:21:09,520
because it also says in the book

4551
03:21:09,520 --> 03:21:12,479
currently 107 feet from High Street. So

4552
03:21:12,479 --> 03:21:14,399
they're recommending it would say from

4553
03:21:14,399 --> 03:21:17,200
High Street to Berry Street, not that

4554
03:21:17,200 --> 03:21:19,840
100 because of again no one's going out

4555
03:21:19,840 --> 03:21:22,319
and saying, "Oh, 107 ft from here to

4556
03:21:22,319 --> 03:21:25,359
there." And this is I should state like

4557
03:21:25,359 --> 03:21:27,439
communities do this all the parking

4558
03:21:27,439 --> 03:21:29,600
rules as you said before, they come up

4559
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:31,760
every time something comes up, somebody

4560
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:33,279
comes in with the best idea and we end

4561
03:21:33,279 --> 03:21:34,479
up with this kind of stuff, right? And

4562
03:21:34,479 --> 03:21:35,680
then it has to get cleaned up from time

4563
03:21:35,680 --> 03:21:38,880
to time. So no dig on whoever wrote 107

4564
03:21:38,880 --> 03:21:40,800
ft from High Street. that this stuff

4565
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:45,359
happens commonly um in municipal life.

4566
03:21:45,359 --> 03:21:46,880
Um but that's why it's important to go

4567
03:21:46,880 --> 03:21:48,239
back and look at it. I'm saying there

4568
03:21:48,239 --> 03:21:50,720
would need to be it's not just the sign

4569
03:21:50,720 --> 03:21:52,640
and I believe Lieutenant Sullivan is

4570
03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:54,479
telling us the sign that is currently

4571
03:21:54,479 --> 03:21:56,479
there is sufficient. It's that it

4572
03:21:56,479 --> 03:21:58,800
doesn't reflect that the book does not

4573
03:21:58,800 --> 03:21:59,840
match the sign.

4574
03:21:59,840 --> 03:22:01,439
>> What does not the sign says 9:00 a.m.

4575
03:22:01,439 --> 03:22:04,640
till 9:00 p.m. and it's midblock. It

4576
03:22:04,640 --> 03:22:06,720
doesn't let you know if it's indicating

4577
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:08,239
this way or that way. So it sounds like

4578
03:22:08,239 --> 03:22:10,479
a corrected sign and a corrected book

4579
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:12,479
would be needed for enforcement today.

4580
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:14,479
>> The 107 ft

4581
03:22:14,479 --> 03:22:15,279
>> put a sign up.

4582
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:16,000
>> I'm sorry.

4583
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:18,399
>> The 107 ft is specifically to specific

4584
03:22:18,399 --> 03:22:20,640
to the Masonic Temple basically that

4585
03:22:20,640 --> 03:22:25,840
property and it ends roughly about the property line of Ken's house

4586
03:22:25,840 --> 03:22:28,239
for which there is a sign. Then there is

4587
03:22:28,239 --> 03:22:30,479
a sign that was present in front of the

4588
03:22:30,479 --> 03:22:33,200
fish's house that is now missing.

4589
03:22:33,200 --> 03:22:38,560
And that was a point of clarity about

4590
03:22:38,560 --> 03:22:42,479
whether that was enforceable or not. So

4591
03:22:42,479 --> 03:22:45,600
independent of us changing anything

4592
03:22:45,600 --> 03:22:48,080
in the book, can we return it to the

4593
03:22:48,080 --> 03:22:49,760
previous state which had a sign in front

4594
03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:53,680
of the fishes and ask for enforcement?

4595
03:22:53,680 --> 03:22:55,040
>> No, because the sign that was in front

4596
03:22:55,040 --> 03:22:56,560
of the fishes is not consistent with the

4597
03:22:56,560 --> 03:22:57,520
book. You have to change

4598
03:22:57,520 --> 03:22:58,960
>> I can tell you they would much prefer to

4599
03:22:58,960 --> 03:23:00,000
be on the other side of the street

4600
03:23:00,000 --> 03:23:02,319
anyhow. Well, I'm saying if you want if

4601
03:23:02,319 --> 03:23:04,479
you want that's that's up to you, right?

4602
03:23:04,479 --> 03:23:06,080
That's the board's decision. You guys

4603
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:07,920
can do whatever you want. We can put we

4604
03:23:07,920 --> 03:23:09,520
can put up a sign. This is what I

4605
03:23:09,520 --> 03:23:11,279
started with the traffic commission.

4606
03:23:11,279 --> 03:23:12,319
There are things that we can do

4607
03:23:12,319 --> 03:23:14,080
operationally. So, we know if we're

4608
03:23:14,080 --> 03:23:17,279
hearing it's not um enforced and the

4609
03:23:17,279 --> 03:23:18,560
police are saying, "Oh, we can't enforce

4610
03:23:18,560 --> 03:23:20,160
it because the sign isn't right." We,

4611
03:23:20,160 --> 03:23:22,319
the town, can go and set up a sign. We,

4612
03:23:22,319 --> 03:23:24,479
the town, cannot make a change in this

4613
03:23:24,479 --> 03:23:27,279
book. So if you all want the so the sign

4614
03:23:27,279 --> 03:23:29,920
that you're asking for if you want it to

4615
03:23:29,920 --> 03:23:33,200
reflect what is currently in the book is

4616
03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:34,880
different than the sign that was there

4617
03:23:34,880 --> 03:23:35,359
before.

4618
03:23:35,359 --> 03:23:37,120
>> Right. I feel like I'm talking in

4619
03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:38,640
circles, but I think I'm getting

4620
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:38,880
through.

4621
03:23:38,880 --> 03:23:42,960
>> Is it is it are we saying that?

4622
03:23:42,960 --> 03:23:45,359
>> So, two things. Number one, given the

4623
03:23:45,359 --> 03:23:49,120
fact that this was on our agenda as a

4624
03:23:49,120 --> 03:23:52,319
topic of discussion today, changing this

4625
03:23:52,319 --> 03:23:55,200
rule and regulations, we can change part

4626
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:56,880
of it. We don't have to change the whole

4627
03:23:56,880 --> 03:23:57,279
thing.

4628
03:23:57,279 --> 03:23:59,120
>> That is correct. I will say to be

4629
03:23:59,120 --> 03:24:02,239
consistent with your earlier suggestions

4630
03:24:02,239 --> 03:24:04,399
that people should know about it. If

4631
03:24:04,399 --> 03:24:06,000
you're going again, if we're going to

4632
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:08,239
make changes,

4633
03:24:08,239 --> 03:24:10,160
I mean, it's up to you guys. If if you

4634
03:24:10,160 --> 03:24:11,680
want to be consistent with letting

4635
03:24:11,680 --> 03:24:14,640
everybody in the neighborhood know um

4636
03:24:14,640 --> 03:24:16,880
and doing a public workshop, that's one

4637
03:24:16,880 --> 03:24:18,319
thing. If you want to answer a

4638
03:24:18,319 --> 03:24:20,080
enforcement problem, that's another. I'm

4639
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:21,200
saying that we are not in a position

4640
03:24:21,200 --> 03:24:24,080
that we can enforce this

4641
03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:28,239
as the current book and sign are posted.

4642
03:24:28,239 --> 03:24:28,960
>> Mr. Chairman,

4643
03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:30,800
>> member member Bennett. Yes.

4644
03:24:30,800 --> 03:24:32,800
>> If I if I may, if if the board is

4645
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:35,496
willing to the the bullet that uh

4646
03:24:35,496 --> 03:24:37,920
[music] specified the hours

4647
03:24:37,920 --> 03:24:40,720
um that didn't didn't have the language

4648
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:42,560
for, you know, shuffling parking spaces

4649
03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:44,160
or when you can come back to the street.

4650
03:24:44,160 --> 03:24:46,000
If the board would accept some version

4651
03:24:46,000 --> 03:24:48,399
of that language that it is Monday

4652
03:24:48,399 --> 03:24:50,640
through Saturday enforcement hours are 8

4653
03:24:50,640 --> 03:24:54,479
to 6 um strike the rest of the language

4654
03:24:54,479 --> 03:24:56,239
direct that we come back to you with

4655
03:24:56,239 --> 03:24:58,880
better language for moving cars around

4656
03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:01,279
and when you can come back to the street

4657
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:03,840
but allow that first section that would

4658
03:25:03,840 --> 03:25:05,920
apply those hours to this entire

4659
03:25:05,920 --> 03:25:08,080
schedule [music] unless otherwise noted

4660
03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:10,319
in the schedule. that would then allow

4661
03:25:10,319 --> 03:25:14,560
us to post High Street um from I'm

4662
03:25:14,560 --> 03:25:18,479
sorry, Park Street from High to Berry as

4663
03:25:18,479 --> 03:25:20,160
that time restriction. The book The book

4664
03:25:20,160 --> 03:25:21,520
says 1 hour, Madam Clerk.

4665
03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:22,160
>> Yes.

4666
03:25:22,160 --> 03:25:28,080
>> One 1 hour um 1 hour from High to Berry,

4667
03:25:28,080 --> 03:25:31,680
enforcable 8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. We

4668
03:25:31,680 --> 03:25:34,239
can then have those signs modified and

4669
03:25:34,239 --> 03:25:36,080
correctly installed and start enforcing

4670
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:38,720
that. But will we still have to change

4671
03:25:38,720 --> 03:25:44,720
the 1067 ft and changing north to south?

4672
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:45,200
>> Yes.

4673
03:25:45,200 --> 03:25:46,960
>> Because that doesn't solve the problem.

4674
03:25:46,960 --> 03:25:47,680
So

4675
03:25:47,680 --> 03:25:50,319
>> So we will still So even if we put the

4676
03:25:50,319 --> 03:25:52,080
hours,

4677
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:53,680
what we saying is that we will still

4678
03:25:53,680 --> 03:25:56,800
have to partially change

4679
03:25:56,800 --> 03:26:01,120
the the footage on the

4680
03:26:01,120 --> 03:26:02,319
>> if you change it. Sorry. If you change

4681
03:26:02,319 --> 03:26:03,680
it to the hours from the previous

4682
03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:05,520
bullet, if you allow that section to be

4683
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:08,080
applied to this table and then change

4684
03:26:08,080 --> 03:26:10,239
this table to say the correct side of

4685
03:26:10,239 --> 03:26:12,880
the street as signed now from High

4686
03:26:12,880 --> 03:26:14,640
Street to Berry, that will allow us to

4687
03:26:14,640 --> 03:26:19,279
make no parking from High to Berry. Uh

4688
03:26:19,279 --> 03:26:22,399
1-hour parking during those hours or as

4689
03:26:22,399 --> 03:26:25,520
uh Mr. Tras had asked that I I don't

4690
03:26:25,520 --> 03:26:26,880
remember where their curb cuts are for

4691
03:26:26,880 --> 03:26:29,840
the Masonic Temple. Um, but if you

4692
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:32,560
wanted parking to remain

4693
03:26:32,560 --> 03:26:34,800
available there for some reason, you

4694
03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:35,359
could.

4695
03:26:35,359 --> 03:26:37,439
>> I I think for simplicity, Mr. Chairman,

4696
03:26:37,439 --> 03:26:38,560
you've already confirmed that we have

4697
03:26:38,560 --> 03:26:40,399
the opportunity tonight to change a

4698
03:26:40,399 --> 03:26:42,239
single issue, a single line, whatever we

4699
03:26:42,239 --> 03:26:44,399
want to do because we're the authority.

4700
03:26:44,399 --> 03:26:46,880
So, I'm not hearing I'm hearing the

4701
03:26:46,880 --> 03:26:49,439
consensus that you don't want to do a no

4702
03:26:49,439 --> 03:26:50,880
parking zone. But I'm going to make a

4703
03:26:50,880 --> 03:26:54,160
suggestion that on page 27,

4704
03:26:54,160 --> 03:26:58,800
1 2 3 4 5 6 line 7,

4705
03:26:58,800 --> 03:27:02,399
Park Street should go south.

4706
03:27:02,399 --> 03:27:05,760
Change from north to south. Strike 107

4707
03:27:05,760 --> 03:27:07,439
ft from High Street and just keep it

4708
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:10,640
High Street to Berry Street. one hour

4709
03:27:10,640 --> 03:27:15,279
parking 8 to six on weekdays

4710
03:27:15,279 --> 03:27:16,479
or whatever the language is about

4711
03:27:16,479 --> 03:27:17,840
Saturdays, Sundays and

4712
03:27:17,840 --> 03:27:19,520
>> Monday to Saturday

4713
03:27:19,520 --> 03:27:22,720
>> whatever the standard language is there

4714
03:27:22,720 --> 03:27:24,560
>> 8 to6 the language in the previous

4715
03:27:24,560 --> 03:27:26,560
bullet was 8 to 6 Monday through

4716
03:27:26,560 --> 03:27:28,960
Saturday um Sundays and legal

4717
03:27:28,960 --> 03:27:32,080
>> excluding Sundays and holidays

4718
03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:33,920
>> I would make that motion just to we need

4719
03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:36,960
to alleviate some pain now while the

4720
03:27:36,960 --> 03:27:40,000
process works its way out and that is

4721
03:27:40,000 --> 03:27:42,399
everybody on that street. Every is right

4722
03:27:42,399 --> 03:27:47,269
there, right here in front of you.

4723
03:27:47,279 --> 03:27:48,399
» Is that a motion?

4724
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:50,319
>> I'm making the motion that we modified.

4725
03:27:50,319 --> 03:27:52,160
>> I I mean I I think it was more

4726
03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:54,080
discussions. I don't think he was

4727
03:27:54,080 --> 03:27:56,560
>> No, I'm I'm making a motion. Yeah, I I

4728
03:27:56,560 --> 03:27:58,319
did make a motion about completely

4729
03:27:58,319 --> 03:28:00,640
eliminating parking and no one bit. So,

4730
03:28:00,640 --> 03:28:02,960
I'm making a motion now that we modify

4731
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:05,279
on page 27

4732
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:08,319
the seventh line down that it now says

4733
03:28:08,319 --> 03:28:11,359
Park Street, South

4734
03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:15,520
High Street, Berry Street, 1 hour 8 to

4735
03:28:15,520 --> 03:28:18,880
6, Monday through Saturday excluding

4736
03:28:18,880 --> 03:28:20,640
Sundays and holidays.

4737
03:28:20,640 --> 03:28:23,680
>> Okay. And and just to clarify before

4738
03:28:23,680 --> 03:28:25,040
it's seconded

4739
03:28:25,040 --> 03:28:28,239
>> and the the second bullet will be

4740
03:28:28,239 --> 03:28:31,200
different like across town the 8 to6

4741
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:33,200
>> we'll deal with all that later and if we

4742
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:35,359
at that point if we modify this fine

4743
03:28:35,359 --> 03:28:37,120
>> then it applies to this as well.

4744
03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:37,520
>> Yep.

4745
03:28:37,520 --> 03:28:38,080
>> Okay.

4746
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:40,720
>> Yep. Second.

4747
03:28:40,720 --> 03:28:42,479
>> Governor Dan second.

4748
03:28:42,479 --> 03:28:45,200
>> Yes. Um

4749
03:28:45,200 --> 03:28:47,359
any further discussions?

4750
03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:47,920
>> Yeah.

4751
03:28:47,920 --> 03:28:51,920
>> Yes please. Um so this

4752
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:53,439
change

4753
03:28:53,439 --> 03:28:54,239
helps

4754
03:28:54,239 --> 03:28:56,720
>> the singular change helps with

4755
03:28:56,720 --> 03:28:58,399
clarifying

4756
03:28:58,399 --> 03:29:01,040
the law the regulation

4757
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:04,800
which allows enforcement to happen

4758
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:07,840
>> and and it helps the neighbors how

4759
03:29:07,840 --> 03:29:10,960
>> because right now enforcement

4760
03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:12,720
needs to be more consistent but even if

4761
03:29:12,720 --> 03:29:14,880
it were enforced today

4762
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:16,720
>> it legitimately would they could contest

4763
03:29:16,720 --> 03:29:18,000
it and they would win

4764
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:19,279
>> because It's going in the wrong

4765
03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:20,479
direction because it's

4766
03:29:20,479 --> 03:29:21,680
>> and the book's not

4767
03:29:21,680 --> 03:29:24,319
>> because right the the the the signs do

4768
03:29:24,319 --> 03:29:26,080
not match the book. Now we're going to

4769
03:29:26,080 --> 03:29:27,840
make the book match the signs.

4770
03:29:27,840 --> 03:29:28,399
>> Okay.

4771
03:29:28,399 --> 03:29:29,600
>> As they exist today

4772
03:29:29,600 --> 03:29:30,640
>> at least it's something

4773
03:29:30,640 --> 03:29:32,960
>> right. So it's it's making the that side

4774
03:29:32,960 --> 03:29:35,359
and we obviously within that

4775
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:37,040
mechanically we'll replace the sign in

4776
03:29:37,040 --> 03:29:38,080
front of the fisher's house.

4777
03:29:38,080 --> 03:29:40,160
>> Okay. All right. Got it.

4778
03:29:40,160 --> 03:29:42,960
>> Ju just for clarity member TR. So

4779
03:29:42,960 --> 03:29:44,960
there's also a park street south to

4780
03:29:44,960 --> 03:29:46,800
Beacon Street. That's not including

4781
03:29:46,800 --> 03:29:48,399
>> I'm not touching that. I'm I'm looking

4782
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:50,640
only at this that's a different that's a

4783
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:52,160
different discussion anyhow. There's

4784
03:29:52,160 --> 03:29:53,600
some other issues there.

4785
03:29:53,600 --> 03:29:54,239
>> Okay.

4786
03:29:54,239 --> 03:29:55,920
>> I'm only looking for that one change to

4787
03:29:55,920 --> 03:29:57,520
help that one section for safety

4788
03:29:57,520 --> 03:29:58,160
purposes.

4789
03:29:58,160 --> 03:30:01,920
>> Letin uh if we were to make that change

4790
03:30:01,920 --> 03:30:04,000
in the books

4791
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:09,279
and taking out the 107 ft from and doing

4792
03:30:09,279 --> 03:30:11,279
the south

4793
03:30:11,279 --> 03:30:14,640
8 to 6 Monday to Saturday. Will that

4794
03:30:14,640 --> 03:30:18,640
allow the parking officer to in to

4795
03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:20,560
enforce?

4796
03:30:20,560 --> 03:30:22,479
>> Yes, it would. So, if you change the

4797
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:24,399
book, um I will have my colleagues at

4798
03:30:24,399 --> 03:30:25,760
the street department get the new signs

4799
03:30:25,760 --> 03:30:28,000
and install them and then the parking

4800
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:30,080
clerk can start enforcing them.

4801
03:30:30,080 --> 03:30:32,640
>> Okay. Uh before we proceed with voting

4802
03:30:32,640 --> 03:30:35,600
on that, madame town manager, is that

4803
03:30:35,600 --> 03:30:38,080
something that will make it consistent

4804
03:30:38,080 --> 03:30:39,120
between

4805
03:30:39,120 --> 03:30:41,359
>> I believe I support Lieutenant Sullivan.

4806
03:30:41,359 --> 03:30:42,880
trust that he's giving the right

4807
03:30:42,880 --> 03:30:44,880
guidance and um seeing nods from madam

4808
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:46,800
clerk. I do also need to clarify that

4809
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:49,120
the traffic enforcement there is one

4810
03:30:49,120 --> 03:30:51,120
part-time person for the entire town.

4811
03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:52,960
So, I'm not saying she will be there 24

4812
03:30:52,960 --> 03:30:55,200
hours a day, but now we have the ability

4813
03:30:55,200 --> 03:30:58,880
to enforce. So, we have what we need. Um

4814
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:00,560
I'm not sure it'll give the relief that

4815
03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:02,000
quite that you're looking for yet, but I

4816
03:31:02,000 --> 03:31:04,560
think we are on a path to get there. Um

4817
03:31:04,560 --> 03:31:06,160
and she has the ability to actually

4818
03:31:06,160 --> 03:31:07,920
write the ticket and it sustain be

4819
03:31:07,920 --> 03:31:09,680
sustained. So that's the most important

4820
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:11,359
part because we have not had that

4821
03:31:11,359 --> 03:31:13,200
ability up until now.

4822
03:31:13,200 --> 03:31:13,760
>> Okay.

4823
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:15,359
>> Can I ask one more clarifying question?

4824
03:31:15,359 --> 03:31:15,840
>> Yes.

4825
03:31:15,840 --> 03:31:17,920
>> So is this going to help the residents

4826
03:31:17,920 --> 03:31:19,920
right now by doing this tonight? What

4827
03:31:19,920 --> 03:31:21,359
gardener's proposing

4828
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:24,239
>> from what Lieutenant Go is saying? Yes.

4829
03:31:24,239 --> 03:31:24,720
>> Can

4830
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:26,880
>> now we have a motion and we have it

4831
03:31:26,880 --> 03:31:27,439
seconded.

4832
03:31:27,439 --> 03:31:29,520
>> I had a question like Joe saying we have

4833
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:32,399
one track traffic advisory girl. I

4834
03:31:32,399 --> 03:31:34,640
understand you know Kathy

4835
03:31:34,640 --> 03:31:38,080
>> I mean that's a different issue. No, no, But with the enforcement, like we

4836
03:31:38,080 --> 03:31:40,640
want to enforce it. Seeing police

4837
03:31:40,640 --> 03:31:43,200
presence is always good.

4838
03:31:43,200 --> 03:31:44,800
>> No, this this is different from the

4839
03:31:44,800 --> 03:31:46,720
police. The parking enforcement is

4840
03:31:46,720 --> 03:31:47,840
different from the police,

4841
03:31:47,840 --> 03:31:50,000
>> but the police can't do that, too. And

4842
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:50,319
help.

4843
03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:51,600
>> I mean, police in the neighborhood if

4844
03:31:51,600 --> 03:31:53,359
they get called, I mean, there they are

4845
03:31:53,359 --> 03:31:55,120
in this town, police are allowed to

4846
03:31:55,120 --> 03:31:56,080
write parking tickets.

4847
03:31:56,080 --> 03:31:57,359
>> Yes. Okay.

4848
03:31:57,359 --> 03:31:59,120
>> We we do we do do that. We generally

4849
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:01,040
write them for if you find if you do get

4850
03:32:01,040 --> 03:32:02,239
a call where somebody's in front of

4851
03:32:02,239 --> 03:32:04,239
someone's driveway. If we can pull up

4852
03:32:04,239 --> 03:32:06,479
and they're in a handicap uh disabled

4853
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:08,479
accessible parking space, we can write

4854
03:32:08,479 --> 03:32:10,399
that ticket. Um it does become more

4855
03:32:10,399 --> 03:32:11,840
difficult if we're looking at one, two,

4856
03:32:11,840 --> 03:32:13,920
or three hours for for an officer to

4857
03:32:13,920 --> 03:32:16,160
come back and see if that car is still

4858
03:32:16,160 --> 03:32:18,399
there 3 hours later. That area car might

4859
03:32:18,399 --> 03:32:20,399
be off doing something else. We would

4860
03:32:20,399 --> 03:32:23,359
rely on the the parking clerk staff to

4861
03:32:23,359 --> 03:32:26,560
enforce the most of the time limits.

4862
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:27,600
>> Okay.

4863
03:32:27,600 --> 03:32:30,319
uh to uh just a quick clarification

4864
03:32:30,319 --> 03:32:33,200
member Bennett or member Task now that

4865
03:32:33,200 --> 03:32:37,840
we've had a motion we're discussing as a board could we seek more

4866
03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:40,720
clarification from residents?

4867
03:32:40,720 --> 03:32:41,200
>> Well,

4868
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:42,239
>> technically no

4869
03:32:42,239 --> 03:32:43,520
>> for tonight.

4870
03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:45,600
>> Yeah. About this motion?

4871
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:46,640
>> No, I think

4872
03:32:46,640 --> 03:32:48,399
>> are they allowed to speak? That's what I

4873
03:32:48,399 --> 03:32:48,800
mean.

4874
03:32:48,800 --> 03:32:49,680
>> Oh, that's up to you.

4875
03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:51,279
>> That's up to you. And the question's

4876
03:32:51,279 --> 03:32:53,520
been asked by another board member. Does

4877
03:32:53,520 --> 03:32:54,880
this help the residents? And we get some

4878
03:32:54,880 --> 03:32:57,359
>> res if I may. We've been a half hour

4879
03:32:57,359 --> 03:32:58,800
going around and around or something

4880
03:32:58,800 --> 03:33:01,680
very simple. Change the language and

4881
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:03,680
then they can enforce. I don't know what

4882
03:33:03,680 --> 03:33:05,439
other we need to know.

4883
03:33:05,439 --> 03:33:07,040
>> Okay. Thank you. Yes.

4884
03:33:07,040 --> 03:33:09,680
>> Hi. Um, sorry. When there's a sign,

4885
03:33:09,680 --> 03:33:11,439
which there is in front of my house,

4886
03:33:11,439 --> 03:33:14,720
whether it says 8 to 6 or 96 is not the

4887
03:33:14,720 --> 03:33:17,359
issue. Please don't wait to enforce it

4888
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:20,479
until those signs are changed. Nobody in

4889
03:33:20,479 --> 03:33:22,319
their right mind knows what the book

4890
03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:25,439
says unless they want to challenge.

4891
03:33:25,439 --> 03:33:27,680
So, most people don't know, but they can

4892
03:33:27,680 --> 03:33:30,160
read a sign, but apparently they don't.

4893
03:33:30,160 --> 03:33:32,640
I have a picture on my phone of somebody

4894
03:33:32,640 --> 03:33:34,880
parking across the street from me. Oh,

4895
03:33:34,880 --> 03:33:36,720
across the street is no parking. They

4896
03:33:36,720 --> 03:33:39,600
parked at the no parking sign.

4897
03:33:39,600 --> 03:33:42,319
That's how bold people have become

4898
03:33:42,319 --> 03:33:44,239
because there's no enforcement. And

4899
03:33:44,239 --> 03:33:46,640
after a while, enforcement is is a

4900
03:33:46,640 --> 03:33:48,319
deterrent. There's no deterrent, then

4901
03:33:48,319 --> 03:33:52,080
you can park clearly. and a and a $25

4902
03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:54,960
fine. Would you rather pay your landlord

4903
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:57,040
a couple hundred dollars or more for

4904
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:59,680
parking or risk getting a fine once a

4905
03:33:59,680 --> 03:34:02,239
year for $25? It's a pretty logical

4906
03:34:02,239 --> 03:34:04,319
choice for me as a resident. It's an

4907
03:34:04,319 --> 03:34:07,359
awful choice. I hate it.

4908
03:34:07,359 --> 03:34:08,000
>> Thank you.

4909
03:34:08,000 --> 03:34:09,200
>> Okay. Thank you.

4910
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:10,080
>> Is it okay?

4911
03:34:10,080 --> 03:34:10,399
>> Yes.

4912
03:34:10,399 --> 03:34:12,000
>> Okay. So, to the question of whether

4913
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:14,560
this solves it, [music] it marginally

4914
03:34:14,560 --> 03:34:16,560
makes it better, which is we've had

4915
03:34:16,560 --> 03:34:18,560
nothing. I think the actual answer is to

4916
03:34:18,560 --> 03:34:19,920
move it to the south side of the street,

4917
03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:21,840
which is where it's in the regulations

4918
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:23,600
right now. That's actually where we want

4919
03:34:23,600 --> 03:34:28,399
it. The parking isn't because Ken and us are parking in front of a house.

4920
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:30,560
It's because it's being used by the

4921
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:32,080
apartment building across the street.

4922
03:34:32,080 --> 03:34:33,760
And the original recommendation we made

4923
03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:36,319
was well then they'd be happy to walk 2

4924
03:34:36,319 --> 03:34:38,560
feet versus across the street and park

4925
03:34:38,560 --> 03:34:41,040
there, right? So then it's only one

4926
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:42,640
change. put it on the southbound side of

4927
03:34:42,640 --> 03:34:44,640
the street as the book says today and

4928
03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:46,239
then put the parking enforcement over

4929
03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:48,560
there and would it answer the question

4930
03:34:48,560 --> 03:34:50,479
then? Yes.

4931
03:34:50,479 --> 03:34:50,880
>> Okay.

4932
03:34:50,880 --> 03:34:52,399
>> My son wouldn't be walking between

4933
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:54,000
parked cars. The bus would come down

4934
03:34:54,000 --> 03:34:55,600
towards the middle school in a safe

4935
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:57,439
manner.

4936
03:34:57,439 --> 03:34:59,279
>> Can I just clarify though that now

4937
03:34:59,279 --> 03:35:00,800
currently the book says, and correct me

4938
03:35:00,800 --> 03:35:02,319
if I'm wrong, I'm not the one on there,

4939
03:35:02,319 --> 03:35:05,120
Lieutenant. That currently it says north

4940
03:35:05,120 --> 03:35:09,040
side is signed on the south side. the

4941
03:35:09,040 --> 03:35:10,960
recommend the what I'm saying is it

4942
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:13,279
either has to be consistent on the south

4943
03:35:13,279 --> 03:35:15,200
or you have to change it all to the

4944
03:35:15,200 --> 03:35:17,279
north and again I don't have a I don't

4945
03:35:17,279 --> 03:35:18,960
have a horse in those race it just has

4946
03:35:18,960 --> 03:35:21,359
to be consistent or we can't be

4947
03:35:21,359 --> 03:35:23,359
effective so but what I think I'm

4948
03:35:23,359 --> 03:35:25,920
hearing Mary say is that they don't want

4949
03:35:25,920 --> 03:35:28,239
the motion that gardener made member

4950
03:35:28,239 --> 03:35:30,800
Tras made excuse me I apologize no

4951
03:35:30,800 --> 03:35:32,479
>> um that member Tras made changing it

4952
03:35:32,479 --> 03:35:35,680
from north to south they want to keep

4953
03:35:35,680 --> 03:35:38,880
the south and change the signage

4954
03:35:38,880 --> 03:35:40,560
which would require a second table to be

4955
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:41,120
modified

4956
03:35:41,120 --> 03:35:43,600
>> which requires another modification. So

4957
03:35:43,600 --> 03:35:45,359
>> this is one hour allowing this is

4958
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:48,000
allowing one hour parking on a specific

4959
03:35:48,000 --> 03:35:49,600
side of the street. There is another

4960
03:35:49,600 --> 03:35:51,439
table that dictates the other side of

4961
03:35:51,439 --> 03:35:53,200
the street is no parking. So you would

4962
03:35:53,200 --> 03:35:56,160
have to reverse two tables which is

4963
03:35:56,160 --> 03:35:57,840
>> this is this is why we spend so much

4964
03:35:57,840 --> 03:35:59,279
time on parking. [laughter]

4965
03:35:59,279 --> 03:36:00,960
>> I I I actually have no preference. I'm

4966
03:36:00,960 --> 03:36:03,120
trying to get to a at least some

4967
03:36:03,120 --> 03:36:04,960
salvageable solution tonight.

4968
03:36:04,960 --> 03:36:09,520
>> Yeah. If if the board prefers, I'll

4969
03:36:09,520 --> 03:36:11,760
resend that motion, ask for it to be on

4970
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:12,960
the south side, and make that other

4971
03:36:12,960 --> 03:36:15,200
table change. I've got no problem with

4972
03:36:15,200 --> 03:36:17,439
that. That actually is one of the one of

4973
03:36:17,439 --> 03:36:19,200
>> you have to vote down for con process

4974
03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:20,399
wise. You'd have to vote down this

4975
03:36:20,399 --> 03:36:21,920
motion and make another one. But I don't

4976
03:36:21,920 --> 03:36:23,040
care how you do it. Just

4977
03:36:23,040 --> 03:36:26,150
>> I

4978
03:36:26,160 --> 03:36:28,000
» again, and I would just say for cons

4979
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:30,000
consistency sake, remember you are

4980
03:36:30,000 --> 03:36:32,239
impacting. I understand everyone who's

4981
03:36:32,239 --> 03:36:34,160
here is here and I respect that. I was

4982
03:36:34,160 --> 03:36:37,760
under the impression that if we change

4983
03:36:37,760 --> 03:36:42,160
it from south take out 107 ft it's not

4984
03:36:42,160 --> 03:36:44,720
solving the whole problem but it's

4985
03:36:44,720 --> 03:36:46,239
giving

4986
03:36:46,239 --> 03:36:48,720
a little bit of relief until we can

4987
03:36:48,720 --> 03:36:51,760
address the bigger issue of no parking

4988
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:53,520
on that street at all for example

4989
03:36:53,520 --> 03:36:55,600
>> or whatever other solution.

4990
03:36:55,600 --> 03:36:57,040
>> There were multiple solutions that were

4991
03:36:57,040 --> 03:36:59,439
proposed by the neighbors at the

4992
03:36:59,439 --> 03:37:02,000
community meeting that was followed then

4993
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:03,840
by DTAC. Exactly.

4994
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:05,680
>> One of the solutions was put it on the

4995
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:08,160
other side. Now I'm seeing in this that

4996
03:37:08,160 --> 03:37:10,880
it's supposed to be on the other side

4997
03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:14,640
and and if you want to not change that,

4998
03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:16,399
they're happy. We'll just make sure that

4999
03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:18,800
other table is accurately reflects it on

5000
03:37:18,800 --> 03:37:21,520
their side. It's no parking. They're

5001
03:37:21,520 --> 03:37:24,399
happy with that.

5002
03:37:24,399 --> 03:37:30,000
>> Or no no parking from high to to Berry.

5003
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:32,560
So, I am more than willing to either

5004
03:37:32,560 --> 03:37:34,960
resend the first motion I had.

5005
03:37:34,960 --> 03:37:36,319
>> Well, with second it you have to

5006
03:37:36,319 --> 03:37:42,560
>> Okay, we'll vote it down and go to the route where put the signs where

5007
03:37:42,560 --> 03:37:44,560
they are accurately identified in the

5008
03:37:44,560 --> 03:37:47,359
book on the other side of the street and

5009
03:37:47,359 --> 03:37:48,800
we'll just find that other table and

5010
03:37:48,800 --> 03:37:53,359
modify it so that it says no parking on

5011
03:37:53,359 --> 03:37:56,000
the north side.

5012
03:37:56,000 --> 03:37:56,800
>> Okay. So,

5013
03:37:56,800 --> 03:37:59,439
>> Oh, the south side. [laughter] I'm I'm

5014
03:37:59,439 --> 03:38:01,920
sorry.

5015
03:38:01,920 --> 03:38:03,680
>> I would.

5016
03:38:03,680 --> 03:38:07,359
>> So to throw a little other idea, why not

5017
03:38:07,359 --> 03:38:09,279
no parking both sides from High Street

5018
03:38:09,279 --> 03:38:10,640
to Berry Street?

5019
03:38:10,640 --> 03:38:12,479
>> I that that's that was my original

5020
03:38:12,479 --> 03:38:13,120
motion, though.

5021
03:38:13,120 --> 03:38:14,720
>> I think that was the original motion. I

5022
03:38:14,720 --> 03:38:15,680
think [clears throat]

5023
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:16,239
concern was

5024
03:38:16,239 --> 03:38:17,520
>> Well, I said we're going round and

5025
03:38:17,520 --> 03:38:18,000
round.

5026
03:38:18,000 --> 03:38:19,120
>> Yeah.

5027
03:38:19,120 --> 03:38:20,720
>> So I didn't make a compelling argument

5028
03:38:20,720 --> 03:38:23,920
initially like that.

5029
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:25,760
>> But what does it say in the

5030
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:28,160
>> No, no, you can we can change that. We

5031
03:38:28,160 --> 03:38:31,600
can make a motion to make it no park.

5032
03:38:31,600 --> 03:38:34,160
>> Rob, Lieutenant Svin, can we ask him no

5033
03:38:34,160 --> 03:38:36,640
parking both sides street to Berry

5034
03:38:36,640 --> 03:38:37,279
Street?

5035
03:38:37,279 --> 03:38:38,080
>> Okay.

5036
03:38:38,080 --> 03:38:41,120
>> Does that work for you and your offices?

5037
03:38:41,120 --> 03:38:41,920
>> Can that be done

5038
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:44,000
>> if that's the rule? So any, as the town

5039
03:38:44,000 --> 03:38:45,520
manager said, whatever the board

5040
03:38:45,520 --> 03:38:47,680
decides, that's what we will sign and

5041
03:38:47,680 --> 03:38:49,200
that's what we enforce.

5042
03:38:49,200 --> 03:38:50,560
>> You originally made the motion. Go

5043
03:38:50,560 --> 03:38:51,600
ahead.

5044
03:38:51,600 --> 03:38:53,520
>> Well, first you have to have to vote

5045
03:38:53,520 --> 03:38:55,120
down my current motion.

5046
03:38:55,120 --> 03:38:56,960
>> We have to vote down this motion. But be

5047
03:38:56,960 --> 03:39:01,680
before we and again um and I know this

5048
03:39:01,680 --> 03:39:06,640
is a huge concerns for people but

5049
03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:09,279
I'm still concerned that everybody that

5050
03:39:09,279 --> 03:39:11,680
needs to be notified for a no parking

5051
03:39:11,680 --> 03:39:22,479
completely is not notified. I I think giving some instant relief by

5052
03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:26,399
allowing the town to enforce

5053
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:30,399
is the best shortterm solution. I I

5054
03:39:30,399 --> 03:39:33,200
think to to to go all the way to no

5055
03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:36,239
parking on either side of the street uh

5056
03:39:36,239 --> 03:39:39,120
I I again I'm not I'll do a site visit

5057
03:39:39,120 --> 03:39:41,040
myself. I didn't have a chance to. I got

5058
03:39:41,040 --> 03:39:44,880
the presentation from uh I think it was

5059
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:47,760
last night. I look at it. I want to

5060
03:39:47,760 --> 03:39:49,840
familiarize myself. You're probably more

5061
03:39:49,840 --> 03:39:54,000
involved in this than I am. You've been at the site. You've seen it.

5062
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:56,160
I want to do the same and feel confident

5063
03:39:56,160 --> 03:39:59,920
that I'm not making a a rush decision.

5064
03:39:59,920 --> 03:40:02,800
Uh so whatever we can do to give the

5065
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:05,359
residents some immediate relief will be

5066
03:40:05,359 --> 03:40:08,000
welcome. But to completely I mean I

5067
03:40:08,000 --> 03:40:10,000
think that's that's a big move. We're

5068
03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:12,560
speaking of eliminating four spots. I

5069
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:14,800
>> I understand. I understand. I I don't

5070
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:16,479
live near there, so it doesn't really

5071
03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:17,840
affect me, but

5072
03:40:17,840 --> 03:40:20,319
>> but by your same logic, no matter what

5073
03:40:20,319 --> 03:40:23,520
we do, you would want public input,

5074
03:40:23,520 --> 03:40:25,520
broader public input, no matter what you

5075
03:40:25,520 --> 03:40:28,160
do. No, we can do some things like

5076
03:40:28,160 --> 03:40:31,600
clarifying the books so that it can be

5077
03:40:31,600 --> 03:40:33,040
enforced today

5078
03:40:33,040 --> 03:40:34,880
>> because we do have in an earlier

5079
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:36,960
provision an early article that does

5080
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:42,080
speak to emergency issues and and and we have the authority to say this is

5081
03:40:42,080 --> 03:40:44,239
a safety issue. We have the authority to

5082
03:40:44,239 --> 03:40:46,560
say this is a concern of the board. If

5083
03:40:46,560 --> 03:40:48,399
the police came to us and said we want

5084
03:40:48,399 --> 03:40:50,080
to shut down or make the street one way

5085
03:40:50,080 --> 03:40:51,520
for a certain reason, we have that

5086
03:40:51,520 --> 03:40:52,800
authority. the police actually have that

5087
03:40:52,800 --> 03:40:55,200
authority too. But to make it binding

5088
03:40:55,200 --> 03:40:57,120
and long-term,

5089
03:40:57,120 --> 03:41:01,200
it's on us to make that vote. Um, I'm

5090
03:41:01,200 --> 03:41:05,279
suggesting my motion will be to make it

5091
03:41:05,279 --> 03:41:08,319
no parking from High to Berry Street

5092
03:41:08,319 --> 03:41:10,399
until such time as the traffic advisory

5093
03:41:10,399 --> 03:41:12,479
committee has a workshop and comes back

5094
03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:14,080
with a recommendation if they recommend

5095
03:41:14,080 --> 03:41:15,279
to put it on the other side of the

5096
03:41:15,279 --> 03:41:17,439
street or whatever it is with all of the

5097
03:41:17,439 --> 03:41:20,160
due process you're looking for.

5098
03:41:20,160 --> 03:41:21,680
>> If I may, Mr. Mr. Chairman to clarify

5099
03:41:21,680 --> 03:41:23,439
that it will not be the traffic advisory

5100
03:41:23,439 --> 03:41:24,720
commission having a workshop. It'll be

5101
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:25,439
the select board.

5102
03:41:25,439 --> 03:41:26,800
>> Oh, you're correct. Thank you. The

5103
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:28,560
select board with their guidance.

5104
03:41:28,560 --> 03:41:30,720
>> Then, Mr. Chair, with what God is saying

5105
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:33,279
too, which is good, then to have the

5106
03:41:33,279 --> 03:41:36,319
workshop, the people that really, you

5107
03:41:36,319 --> 03:41:37,760
know, are invested and want to hear

5108
03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:40,000
about it will come to the workshop

5109
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:41,840
>> and if they're affected by no parking,

5110
03:41:41,840 --> 03:41:43,680
then they're really going to come,

5111
03:41:43,680 --> 03:41:45,359
>> you know. So, you are making it fair. I

5112
03:41:45,359 --> 03:41:45,680
understand.

5113
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:47,279
>> But that would be after the fact, right?

5114
03:41:47,279 --> 03:41:48,640
That would be after we've made the

5115
03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:50,880
decision. For example, I think when I

5116
03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:53,920
look from the presentation,

5117
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:57,600
uh, was it the berries? They live on

5118
03:41:57,600 --> 03:41:59,600
that street, right?

5119
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:00,560
>> Who?

5120
03:42:00,560 --> 03:42:02,640
>> Is it Barry? I think I wrote down the

5121
03:42:02,640 --> 03:42:02,880
name.

5122
03:42:02,880 --> 03:42:04,239
>> Well, I think it's the people who park

5123
03:42:04,239 --> 03:42:07,359
on the people who live on Berry.

5124
03:42:07,359 --> 03:42:10,080
>> Okay. Okay. The people on Berry because

5125
03:42:10,080 --> 03:42:14,630
this is eliminating

5126
03:42:14,640 --> 03:42:16,800
highend berry. Okay.

5127
03:42:16,800 --> 03:42:18,479
When I use the word Berry, I'm saying

5128
03:42:18,479 --> 03:42:20,399
the beginning of Berry. I'm saying from

5129
03:42:20,399 --> 03:42:23,680
High Street up to Berry, not including

5130
03:42:23,680 --> 03:42:24,239
Bry.

5131
03:42:24,239 --> 03:42:25,680
>> Okay, I see.

5132
03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:29,600
>> Up to the cross street of Berry on

5133
03:42:29,600 --> 03:42:31,439
Park Street. From High Street to the

5134
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:32,479
head of Berry.

5135
03:42:32,479 --> 03:42:34,160
>> Can I Can I recommend that you vote on

5136
03:42:34,160 --> 03:42:35,520
the motion that's on the table because I

5137
03:42:35,520 --> 03:42:38,479
think that far a foot from where we

5138
03:42:38,479 --> 03:42:38,960
started. [laughter]

5139
03:42:38,960 --> 03:42:41,279
>> The motion to clarify the books that you

5140
03:42:41,279 --> 03:42:42,000
have done, Madam

5141
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:43,840
>> Cler.

5142
03:42:43,840 --> 03:42:46,560
Godner made the motion um to correct

5143
03:42:46,560 --> 03:42:49,279
line 7 on page 27

5144
03:42:49,279 --> 03:42:55,520
to um 8 to 6 Monday through Saturday uh

5145
03:42:55,520 --> 03:42:58,399
excluding Sundays and holidays and that

5146
03:42:58,399 --> 03:43:01,040
would also um correct the north south

5147
03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:02,479
item.

5148
03:43:02,479 --> 03:43:04,560
>> So if I can if you don't mind Mr.

5149
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:06,960
Chairman the motion that he made was

5150
03:43:06,960 --> 03:43:09,120
what is presented currently in the blue

5151
03:43:09,120 --> 03:43:11,120
line version which is line seven that

5152
03:43:11,120 --> 03:43:12,800
says Park Street. This is the motion

5153
03:43:12,800 --> 03:43:14,239
that's on the table. I'm not changing

5154
03:43:14,239 --> 03:43:16,960
anything. Um, deleting north, putting in

5155
03:43:16,960 --> 03:43:19,600
south, deleting 107 feet from High

5156
03:43:19,600 --> 03:43:20,479
Street,

5157
03:43:20,479 --> 03:43:22,720
>> and adding 8 to 6 Monday through

5158
03:43:22,720 --> 03:43:24,640
Saturday except Sundays and holidays.

5159
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:26,160
That's the motion that's on the table

5160
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:28,239
and seconded. So, I recommend taking

5161
03:43:28,239 --> 03:43:29,199
action on that.

5162
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:32,239
>> So, for that motion, all those in favor

5163
03:43:32,239 --> 03:43:34,800
say I.

5164
03:43:34,800 --> 03:43:35,680
>> Oppose.

5165
03:43:35,680 --> 03:43:37,680
>> No.

5166
03:43:37,680 --> 03:43:40,720
>> Okay. So, now Mr.

5167
03:43:40,720 --> 03:43:43,069
>> Right. So, it shot down. It's dead.

5168
03:43:43,069 --> 03:43:44,399
[clears throat] So, at this time, I

5169
03:43:44,399 --> 03:43:46,720
would like to make a motion that we

5170
03:43:46,720 --> 03:43:51,680
designate no parking on Park Street

5171
03:43:51,680 --> 03:43:54,160
from High Street

5172
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:56,080
to the cross intersection of Berry

5173
03:43:56,080 --> 03:43:59,040
Street.

5174
03:43:59,040 --> 03:43:59,600
>> Second

5175
03:43:59,600 --> 03:44:01,120
>> on both sides. I should have said both

5176
03:44:01,120 --> 03:44:06,229
sides.

5177
03:44:06,239 --> 03:44:08,880
» So, I have a motion and I have a second.

5178
03:44:08,880 --> 03:44:13,520
Okay. any further discussions

5179
03:44:13,520 --> 03:44:15,359
now.

5180
03:44:15,359 --> 03:44:18,800
Uh sorry for coming to you again. So is

5181
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:20,399
it my understanding that this will be

5182
03:44:20,399 --> 03:44:23,520
four spots?

5183
03:44:23,520 --> 03:44:24,080
>> Oh, I don't

5184
03:44:24,080 --> 03:44:26,800
>> four or five.

5185
03:44:26,800 --> 03:44:28,880
>> They aren't lined spots.

5186
03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:31,680
>> So there's not they're not lined.

5187
03:44:31,680 --> 03:44:34,080
>> But the the my observance has been there

5188
03:44:34,080 --> 03:44:36,800
had been four or five in [clears throat]

5189
03:44:36,800 --> 03:44:39,760
that area. Um, but they're not lined. I

5190
03:44:39,760 --> 03:44:43,279
can't say the number of spots, but we

5191
03:44:43,279 --> 03:44:44,720
the the other thing they'll be able to

5192
03:44:44,720 --> 03:44:47,120
do is now feel Well, they they won't

5193
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:49,760
have parking, so never mind. Um, I can't

5194
03:44:49,760 --> 03:44:52,160
I I use that based on observation, but

5195
03:44:52,160 --> 03:44:54,319
if you had four Mini Coopers or five

5196
03:44:54,319 --> 03:44:59,429
Mini Coopers, you could do that.

5197
03:44:59,439 --> 03:45:01,439
It's It's eliminating all the spots,

5198
03:45:01,439 --> 03:45:04,080
which is a small number.

5199
03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:06,880
We're not talking about a large number.

5200
03:45:06,880 --> 03:45:08,560
Yeah, but what does small number means?

5201
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:12,640
Are we talk about four or five or five?

5202
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:15,199
>> So, but today I observed four vehicles

5203
03:45:15,199 --> 03:45:17,279
>> there actually. Yes, we all receive

5204
03:45:17,279 --> 03:45:19,279
pictures in in the attachment.

5205
03:45:19,279 --> 03:45:20,880
>> I don't need pictures.

5206
03:45:20,880 --> 03:45:21,520
>> Really getting

5207
03:45:21,520 --> 03:45:22,880
>> I'm not familiar with the

5208
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:24,720
>> We have a simple motion, Mr. Chairman.

5209
03:45:24,720 --> 03:45:27,760
>> Yeah, I was say Mr. Chairman

5210
03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:30,880
could wrap it up.

5211
03:45:30,880 --> 03:45:33,760
>> Okay. Thank you. So, any further

5212
03:45:33,760 --> 03:45:38,399
discussions? Hear none. You have the

5213
03:45:38,399 --> 03:45:40,000
motion correctly, Madame Clair.

5214
03:45:40,000 --> 03:45:43,439
>> No parking. Hide to bury both sides.

5215
03:45:43,439 --> 03:45:48,160
>> On Park Street.

5216
03:45:48,160 --> 03:45:50,000
>> It's getting late. We still have a lot

5217
03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:50,960
more work to do.

5218
03:45:50,960 --> 03:45:53,520
>> Okay. All those in favor of the motion

5219
03:45:53,520 --> 03:45:54,560
say I.

5220
03:45:54,560 --> 03:45:56,800
>> I. Oppose.

5221
03:45:56,800 --> 03:45:58,399
>> Okay. That's 5.

5222
03:45:58,399 --> 03:46:00,560
>> The Rob, is that the only change that

5223
03:46:00,560 --> 03:46:02,479
would need to happen? Is there another

5224
03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:04,479
table that cross references that

5225
03:46:04,479 --> 03:46:05,040
somewhere?

5226
03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:07,359
>> Uh, if it's acceptable, we'll whatever

5227
03:46:07,359 --> 03:46:09,279
the motion was and pass, we will just

5228
03:46:09,279 --> 03:46:10,800
make the book reflect that.

5229
03:46:10,800 --> 03:46:12,800
>> Okay.

5230
03:46:12,800 --> 03:46:13,279
>> And

5231
03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:15,040
>> I think I'm sorry. I just want to make

5232
03:46:15,040 --> 03:46:16,080
sure I understand what you're saying.

5233
03:46:16,080 --> 03:46:19,439
So, I think that if the board intends to

5234
03:46:19,439 --> 03:46:21,680
have any corrections that need to be

5235
03:46:21,680 --> 03:46:23,279
made

5236
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:24,720
in the spirit of this, you should make

5237
03:46:24,720 --> 03:46:26,640
another motion that says something about

5238
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:28,399
an all

5239
03:46:28,399 --> 03:46:30,880
incillary corrections. Is that the right

5240
03:46:30,880 --> 03:46:31,600
word?

5241
03:46:31,600 --> 03:46:33,920
>> What that needs to be adjusted

5242
03:46:33,920 --> 03:46:37,520
>> to um meet the case. Yeah.

5243
03:46:37,520 --> 03:46:38,640
>> Pass vote.

5244
03:46:38,640 --> 03:46:39,199
>> Okay.

5245
03:46:39,199 --> 03:46:40,479
>> We don't want to end up back in that

5246
03:46:40,479 --> 03:46:41,359
situation.

5247
03:46:41,359 --> 03:46:42,720
>> Second motion.

5248
03:46:42,720 --> 03:46:46,479
>> Second. Okay. Any other discussions?

5249
03:46:46,479 --> 03:46:48,319
>> All those in favor say I.

5250
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:58,870
>> I.

5251
03:46:58,880 --> 03:47:01,760
» Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Le.

5252
03:47:01,760 --> 03:47:02,880
>> Oh, he's not done.

5253
03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:03,680
>> Oh, he's not

5254
03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:06,239
>> not even close. [laughter]

5255
03:47:06,239 --> 03:47:07,840
I told you guys we had a lot of work to

5256
03:47:07,840 --> 03:47:10,960
do tonight.

5257
03:47:10,960 --> 03:47:11,520
>> I'm getting

5258
03:47:11,520 --> 03:47:12,880
>> now the fun stuff. Actually, this is

5259
03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:13,840
actually the hard stuff.

5260
03:47:13,840 --> 03:47:16,560
>> We [laughter] all went way over.

5261
03:47:16,560 --> 03:47:19,520
>> Okay, we went over, but I think it was

5262
03:47:19,520 --> 03:47:20,399
important to

5263
03:47:20,399 --> 03:47:22,319
>> No, no, no. We We were making a joke. We

5264
03:47:22,319 --> 03:47:23,840
estimated what time we would get out of

5265
03:47:23,840 --> 03:47:28,319
here. We all underestimated. [laughter]

5266
03:47:28,319 --> 03:47:31,520
ready when you are, Mr. Chairman.

5267
03:47:31,520 --> 03:47:37,030
>> Okay.

5268
03:47:37,040 --> 03:47:38,239
» So, keep going.

5269
03:47:38,239 --> 03:47:38,560
>> Yeah.

5270
03:47:38,560 --> 03:47:40,319
>> We're going to discuss Dayton Street

5271
03:47:40,319 --> 03:47:42,319
Speed.

5272
03:47:42,319 --> 03:47:45,040
>> You're welcome.

5273
03:47:45,040 --> 03:47:47,120
>> So, Madame Clerk, the next item on the

5274
03:47:47,120 --> 03:47:48,239
agenda, please.

5275
03:47:48,239 --> 03:47:50,560
>> I think it's the same item.

5276
03:47:50,560 --> 03:47:51,760
>> Oh, it's the same item. Okay.

5277
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:52,960
>> Same. Second part.

5278
03:47:52,960 --> 03:47:57,439
>> Oh, Linton and Rob. It's you again. I'm getting the feeling I will never be

5279
03:47:57,439 --> 03:47:59,177
invited back to a select board.

5280
03:47:59,177 --> 03:48:00,319
[laughter]

5281
03:48:00,319 --> 03:48:02,800
>> Now you see why the creative detail.

5282
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:04,960
>> Yeah, I guess [laughter]

5283
03:48:04,960 --> 03:48:07,199
>> bank robbery was not this difficult as

5284
03:48:07,199 --> 03:48:09,600
parking is.

5285
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:12,640
>> Uh so uh Mr. Chair, um probably about

5286
03:48:12,640 --> 03:48:13,199
two years ago.

5287
03:48:13,199 --> 03:48:15,120
>> Sorry, Mr. Chair. Can we have quiet and

5288
03:48:15,120 --> 03:48:21,120
>> I'm sorry. Uh order, please. Thank you.

5289
03:48:21,120 --> 03:48:23,680
Uh about two years ago, maybe now, we

5290
03:48:23,680 --> 03:48:26,160
started uh traffic uh committee. We

5291
03:48:26,160 --> 03:48:29,279
started um a review of Dayton Street. Uh

5292
03:48:29,279 --> 03:48:30,560
residents had reached out with

5293
03:48:30,560 --> 03:48:33,040
complaints about high speed. Um we

5294
03:48:33,040 --> 03:48:35,600
conducted speed studies and through our

5295
03:48:35,600 --> 03:48:37,600
um radar data, we were able to determine

5296
03:48:37,600 --> 03:48:40,239
that we have uh high traffic volumes at

5297
03:48:40,239 --> 03:48:42,399
essentially all hours. Um we have high

5298
03:48:42,399 --> 03:48:46,000
speeds um on the street opposed to most

5299
03:48:46,000 --> 03:48:47,600
streets that we do a study we find less

5300
03:48:47,600 --> 03:48:49,760
than 1% of cars are traveling at a speed

5301
03:48:49,760 --> 03:48:52,479
that they would be stopped. Um these are

5302
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:54,399
very um high percentages of cars that

5303
03:48:54,399 --> 03:48:57,120
would be stopped. Uh the residents um

5304
03:48:57,120 --> 03:48:59,520
also there's no other street in town

5305
03:48:59,520 --> 03:49:01,840
when we did the study that has the same

5306
03:49:01,840 --> 03:49:03,359
number of vehicles that depart the

5307
03:49:03,359 --> 03:49:05,840
roadway um striking people's bushes,

5308
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:08,000
their cars in their driveways, sometimes

5309
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:10,080
their houses and front porches. um those

5310
03:49:10,080 --> 03:49:12,160
tend to be operators who are uh under

5311
03:49:12,160 --> 03:49:13,760
the influence or some other sort of

5312
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:16,319
motor vehicle criminal violation. Uh so

5313
03:49:16,319 --> 03:49:18,720
the residents on Dayton Street and I

5314
03:49:18,720 --> 03:49:21,600
should also mention uh Dayton um for the

5315
03:49:21,600 --> 03:49:23,199
majority of the street they do not have

5316
03:49:23,199 --> 03:49:26,399
sidewalks. Uh and Dayton Street um for

5317
03:49:26,399 --> 03:49:28,800
some odd reason only has mailboxes on

5318
03:49:28,800 --> 03:49:30,560
one side of the street. So if you want

5319
03:49:30,560 --> 03:49:31,760
to go out and walk with your family,

5320
03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:32,960
with your pets, or even get your mail,

5321
03:49:32,960 --> 03:49:34,800
you've got to walk in the street. Uh so

5322
03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:36,560
they were asking us to provide some

5323
03:49:36,560 --> 03:49:39,279
relief. uh Dayton Street. The speed

5324
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:41,359
limit is set by a special speed

5325
03:49:41,359 --> 03:49:44,399
regulation that was uh enacted by the

5326
03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:46,800
board in 1973,

5327
03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:49,279
I believe.

5328
03:49:49,279 --> 03:49:57,990
Let me get to the right map. [sighs]

5329
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:00,560
So, this map shows Dayton Street. This

5330
03:50:00,560 --> 03:50:03,040
here, this area here is Armory uh Armory

5331
03:50:03,040 --> 03:50:05,520
Road and up here is the Middleton line.

5332
03:50:05,520 --> 03:50:07,439
Uh this red line is currently the

5333
03:50:07,439 --> 03:50:10,080
section of the roadway that has a 30 mph

5334
03:50:10,080 --> 03:50:13,439
speed limit. Um just after West Street,

5335
03:50:13,439 --> 03:50:15,359
that speed limit is in both directions,

5336
03:50:15,359 --> 03:50:18,160
inbound and outbound increased to 40. Um

5337
03:50:18,160 --> 03:50:20,080
we do not have the ability to set

5338
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:22,080
whatever speed limits we would like on

5339
03:50:22,080 --> 03:50:24,479
our on our roads. Um it's usually done

5340
03:50:24,479 --> 03:50:26,160
with the traffic study and we were

5341
03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:28,160
afraid that um if we went through the

5342
03:50:28,160 --> 03:50:29,840
process it may end up instead of

5343
03:50:29,840 --> 03:50:32,479
reducing the speeds uh raise the speeds.

5344
03:50:32,479 --> 03:50:35,760
Um so the residents um kept the project

5345
03:50:35,760 --> 03:50:37,279
moving forward. We were able to get some

5346
03:50:37,279 --> 03:50:38,880
help from Representative Karn's office

5347
03:50:38,880 --> 03:50:40,319
to get in front of Masdot

5348
03:50:40,319 --> 03:50:42,560
representatives and we provided the

5349
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:44,640
traffic data and what they have allowed

5350
03:50:44,640 --> 03:50:48,960
us to do is this 30 mph zone. They will

5351
03:50:48,960 --> 03:50:52,479
allow us to increase that to the uh I

5352
03:50:52,479 --> 03:50:56,080
believe it's number 190. Yes, number 190

5353
03:50:56,080 --> 03:50:57,600
uh

5354
03:50:57,600 --> 03:51:00,399
190 Dayton. just before the uh the corn

5355
03:51:00,399 --> 03:51:02,800
fields and the uh Hogan Regional Center

5356
03:51:02,800 --> 03:51:06,399
property begins. Um we thought we they

5357
03:51:06,399 --> 03:51:08,239
weren't going to allow us to change this

5358
03:51:08,239 --> 03:51:10,479
segment of Dayton Street um because it

5359
03:51:10,479 --> 03:51:12,720
is open fields. Open fields if you use

5360
03:51:12,720 --> 03:51:15,760
the state statutory speed is 40. Um Mass

5361
03:51:15,760 --> 03:51:18,319
DOT wanted to match this portion of the

5362
03:51:18,319 --> 03:51:20,399
road along with I believe it's Gregory

5363
03:51:20,399 --> 03:51:22,960
Road in Middleton uh which is set at 35.

5364
03:51:22,960 --> 03:51:25,279
So, Mass DOT asked that we reduce the

5365
03:51:25,279 --> 03:51:28,560
speed to 35 um which is another win uh

5366
03:51:28,560 --> 03:51:30,239
another win for the residents and also

5367
03:51:30,239 --> 03:51:31,760
I've met a couple of times with the

5368
03:51:31,760 --> 03:51:34,000
facility director of Hogan Regional um

5369
03:51:34,000 --> 03:51:36,239
who has expressed concern um their staff

5370
03:51:36,239 --> 03:51:38,560
drive uh vans with residents and clients

5371
03:51:38,560 --> 03:51:41,199
and trying to get out uh from these uh

5372
03:51:41,199 --> 03:51:43,520
driveways here into traffic that's

5373
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:46,800
coming over a hill um at 40 is is

5374
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:48,239
dangerous. So, we'll we'll be able to

5375
03:51:48,239 --> 03:51:52,239
lower the speeds um to 35 in that

5376
03:51:52,239 --> 03:51:54,479
location. We currently have all of the

5377
03:51:54,479 --> 03:51:57,680
materials we would need. Um

5378
03:51:57,680 --> 03:51:59,600
uh when we started working on this

5379
03:51:59,600 --> 03:52:01,680
project, um we acquired a few radar

5380
03:52:01,680 --> 03:52:04,080
feedback signs as well as illuminated

5381
03:52:04,080 --> 03:52:05,760
speed limit signs, advanced warning

5382
03:52:05,760 --> 03:52:08,720
illuminated uh signs, which are deployed

5383
03:52:08,720 --> 03:52:11,920
uh just before the 30 mph zone. we will

5384
03:52:11,920 --> 03:52:16,080
just relocate them to the new uh new um

5385
03:52:16,080 --> 03:52:19,680
30 mph zone. Um that was the win. It

5386
03:52:19,680 --> 03:52:21,835
came with it came with a catch. Uh

5387
03:52:21,835 --> 03:52:23,600
[laughter] as always is something with

5388
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:27,920
mass DOT. This 1973 regulation dealt

5389
03:52:27,920 --> 03:52:30,239
with and this is why it's taken so long.

5390
03:52:30,239 --> 03:52:33,439
It covered uh 19 additional streets. So

5391
03:52:33,439 --> 03:52:35,520
they wouldn't give us a change just on

5392
03:52:35,520 --> 03:52:37,279
Dayton Street because this regulation

5393
03:52:37,279 --> 03:52:39,920
covers 20 streets. modern-day special

5394
03:52:39,920 --> 03:52:42,080
speed regulations have to have one

5395
03:52:42,080 --> 03:52:44,080
regulation per street. So, we

5396
03:52:44,080 --> 03:52:46,479
essentially had to review uh 19

5397
03:52:46,479 --> 03:52:49,040
additional streets and determine what if

5398
03:52:49,040 --> 03:52:51,120
any changes needed to be made uh what do

5399
03:52:51,120 --> 03:52:53,439
we need for material signs and what are

5400
03:52:53,439 --> 03:52:56,720
the current signs posted on the streets.

5401
03:52:56,720 --> 03:53:00,239
So, that um got me to the chart. So, we

5402
03:53:00,239 --> 03:53:02,800
are uh we are recommending that the um

5403
03:53:02,800 --> 03:53:04,800
the board would allow the change on

5404
03:53:04,800 --> 03:53:06,720
Dayton Street, which would extend the 30

5405
03:53:06,720 --> 03:53:09,760
mph speed limit to number 190 and then

5406
03:53:09,760 --> 03:53:11,840
set the the um the rest of the traffic

5407
03:53:11,840 --> 03:53:16,479
on that road up to Gregory at 35 mph.

5408
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:19,279
Um as we go through each of the

5409
03:53:19,279 --> 03:53:21,840
additional streets, most of them um were

5410
03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:23,199
just some issues with signage that we

5411
03:53:23,199 --> 03:53:24,800
need to change, but we did find a couple

5412
03:53:24,800 --> 03:53:28,080
of the streets were problematic. um on

5413
03:53:28,080 --> 03:53:33,040
Endicott Street. Um we found that

5414
03:53:33,040 --> 03:53:34,479
>> I'm sorry to interrupt you, Lieutenant,

5415
03:53:34,479 --> 03:53:36,160
but can you put the chart up for them so

5416
03:53:36,160 --> 03:53:37,520
that people know what they're looking

5417
03:53:37,520 --> 03:53:38,960
at?

5418
03:53:38,960 --> 03:53:43,189
>> Thank you.

5419
03:53:43,199 --> 03:53:45,359
If you have it, it was in your packets.

5420
03:53:45,359 --> 03:53:47,920
>> I do. Let's see.

5421
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:48,640
>> Yeah.

5422
03:53:48,640 --> 03:53:50,640
>> This one?

5423
03:53:50,640 --> 03:53:51,600
>> Yep.

5424
03:53:51,600 --> 03:53:53,279
>> Do you need it there? You can have mine.

5425
03:53:53,279 --> 03:53:54,319
>> Yeah. I lost color.

5426
03:53:54,319 --> 03:53:55,279
>> That's okay. You can have mine.

5427
03:53:55,279 --> 03:53:57,467
>> I had it. The dog ate it.

5428
03:53:57,467 --> 03:54:00,550
>> [laughter]

5429
03:54:00,560 --> 03:54:04,870
» Thank you. I think we're good.

5430
03:54:04,880 --> 03:54:05,840
» I think they have it now.

5431
03:54:05,840 --> 03:54:07,840
>> Have it. Okay.

5432
03:54:07,840 --> 03:54:15,670
>> Sorry to interrupt you.

5433
03:54:15,680 --> 03:54:19,120
Uh so as we were looking at uh Endicott

5434
03:54:19,120 --> 03:54:23,520
Street um we discovered that the um the

5435
03:54:23,520 --> 03:54:25,840
speed limit uh as set by the special

5436
03:54:25,840 --> 03:54:29,680
speed regulation is uh 35 mph for the

5437
03:54:29,680 --> 03:54:31,920
majority of Endicott Street. Uh we found

5438
03:54:31,920 --> 03:54:34,880
that most of the street is posted at 30.

5439
03:54:34,880 --> 03:54:37,199
Um, we would be required to, uh, remove

5440
03:54:37,199 --> 03:54:39,840
those 30 mph speed limit signs and

5441
03:54:39,840 --> 03:54:44,399
replace them with 35 mph signs. Um, do

5442
03:54:44,399 --> 03:54:45,439
you want me to go through each of these

5443
03:54:45,439 --> 03:54:47,040
just as a group or should I stop it

5444
03:54:47,040 --> 03:54:50,000
after every one?

5445
03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:53,439
>> If I think we could we could vote it as

5446
03:54:53,439 --> 03:54:56,640
a slate if the board is open to that

5447
03:54:56,640 --> 03:54:59,520
>> unless there's a specific one that we

5448
03:54:59,520 --> 03:55:02,399
want to remove. So, I'll recommend that

5449
03:55:02,399 --> 03:55:04,960
we we hear them, we vote it as a slate.

5450
03:55:04,960 --> 03:55:08,080
If there's one that someone is not

5451
03:55:08,080 --> 03:55:10,239
comfortable or have questions, we can

5452
03:55:10,239 --> 03:55:12,319
carve that out and and come back to it

5453
03:55:12,319 --> 03:55:14,239
separately. So, I I'll go on.

5454
03:55:14,239 --> 03:55:16,720
>> Okay. So, this would just require us to

5455
03:55:16,720 --> 03:55:19,520
remove the 30 mph signs and replace them

5456
03:55:19,520 --> 03:55:22,399
with the 35 that currently is reflected

5457
03:55:22,399 --> 03:55:24,399
in the special speed regulation. So,

5458
03:55:24,399 --> 03:55:26,640
what they're going to take the speed

5459
03:55:26,640 --> 03:55:28,720
regulation that has all of the existing

5460
03:55:28,720 --> 03:55:30,880
19 streets, break them down into each

5461
03:55:30,880 --> 03:55:33,680
individual road, and just ask that we

5462
03:55:33,680 --> 03:55:35,520
sign it correctly. We're not given the

5463
03:55:35,520 --> 03:55:37,920
option to say what speed do we want

5464
03:55:37,920 --> 03:55:41,600
Endicott Street to be. Um, it's just we

5465
03:55:41,600 --> 03:55:43,120
have to match our sign with what the

5466
03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:44,319
regulation says. It will have a new

5467
03:55:44,319 --> 03:55:45,520
stand. Endicott will be its own

5468
03:55:45,520 --> 03:55:47,760
regulation. Uh, with no changes. We just

5469
03:55:47,760 --> 03:55:50,239
have to sign it correctly. Uh for

5470
03:55:50,239 --> 03:55:51,920
purchase street, purchase street we

5471
03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:55,520
found that there are no um there are no

5472
03:55:55,520 --> 03:55:56,800
changes needed to be made. It's

5473
03:55:56,800 --> 03:55:58,720
correctly signed and the regulation is

5474
03:55:58,720 --> 03:56:00,560
correct as to what's in the field. Uh so

5475
03:56:00,560 --> 03:56:01,920
there will be no changes on purchase

5476
03:56:01,920 --> 03:56:05,192
street for Ash Street. The only

5477
03:56:05,192 --> 03:56:07,359
[clears throat] changes that have to be

5478
03:56:07,359 --> 03:56:09,600
made are the installation. So this P so

5479
03:56:09,600 --> 03:56:12,080
this is Ash Street. So, uh, by the

5480
03:56:12,080 --> 03:56:14,399
intersection, uh, by Town Hall. And then

5481
03:56:14,399 --> 03:56:18,160
if we come down to, uh, Purchase Street,

5482
03:56:18,160 --> 03:56:21,040
this section of Ash in the yellow is 20

5483
03:56:21,040 --> 03:56:24,479
m an hour. Um, we need to install, um, a

5484
03:56:24,479 --> 03:56:27,760
couple of signs. And this section of ash

5485
03:56:27,760 --> 03:56:30,479
is 25. There's a sign missing up here.

5486
03:56:30,479 --> 03:56:32,720
We'll just install that sign. Um, on the

5487
03:56:32,720 --> 03:56:35,920
map itself, it shows that this 20 mph

5488
03:56:35,920 --> 03:56:39,040
zone ends at the entrance to the mall.

5489
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:41,760
it actually ends up here. So, we would

5490
03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:43,120
just make sure the signs are correct and

5491
03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:44,640
then update this map to show that's

5492
03:56:44,640 --> 03:56:48,399
where the 20 mph zone uh ends. Uh could

5493
03:56:48,399 --> 03:56:50,239
I just on ash because I've I've had an

5494
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:51,760
issue with ash in the past where it's

5495
03:56:51,760 --> 03:56:55,439
got four or five sign changes in that

5496
03:56:55,439 --> 03:56:58,080
relatively short stretch of road. Is

5497
03:56:58,080 --> 03:56:59,600
this going to make the entire road

5498
03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:01,520
consistent the same speed or are you

5499
03:57:01,520 --> 03:57:03,840
still going to have several changes?

5500
03:57:03,840 --> 03:57:05,120
>> You would have two different speeds in

5501
03:57:05,120 --> 03:57:07,199
ash. Uh so the upper so the northern

5502
03:57:07,199 --> 03:57:09,680
portion of ash would be 25 miles an hour

5503
03:57:09,680 --> 03:57:11,439
and then the lower portion of ash would

5504
03:57:11,439 --> 03:57:11,840
be

5505
03:57:11,840 --> 03:57:14,399
>> okay. So one change aso right now

5506
03:57:14,399 --> 03:57:15,439
there's two or three

5507
03:57:15,439 --> 03:57:16,160
>> correct

5508
03:57:16,160 --> 03:57:19,863
>> okay thank you

5509
03:57:19,863 --> 03:57:20,239
[clears throat]

5510
03:57:20,239 --> 03:57:24,479
>> uh for Adam Street we just have to um

5511
03:57:24,479 --> 03:57:27,279
install signs. So the regulation is

5512
03:57:27,279 --> 03:57:31,359
correct. Uh this is Adam Street going

5513
03:57:31,359 --> 03:57:36,160
from Pine to Ash. Uh the

5514
03:57:36,160 --> 03:57:38,239
um the regulation's correct, the map is

5515
03:57:38,239 --> 03:57:39,600
correct. We just need to install a

5516
03:57:39,600 --> 03:57:42,319
couple of signs there.

5517
03:57:42,319 --> 03:57:48,229
Uh for Lawrence Street,

5518
03:57:48,239 --> 03:57:50,399
uh same issue. Uh on Lauren Street, the

5519
03:57:50,399 --> 03:57:51,840
signs in the field are correct. We just

5520
03:57:51,840 --> 03:57:54,160
need to update the GIS uh mapping to

5521
03:57:54,160 --> 03:57:56,560
show where this um the speed limit zone

5522
03:57:56,560 --> 03:57:59,520
actually starts and ends.

5523
03:57:59,520 --> 03:58:02,880
Uh, Center Street. It's not really, it's

5524
03:58:02,880 --> 03:58:04,640
not really tricky, but it is one of the

5525
03:58:04,640 --> 03:58:11,269
weird requests from Mass DOT.

5526
03:58:11,279 --> 03:58:13,520
So, Center Street running from So, this

5527
03:58:13,520 --> 03:58:16,080
is the uh National Guard Armory. Uh,

5528
03:58:16,080 --> 03:58:17,760
Center Street going down to the

5529
03:58:17,760 --> 03:58:20,239
intersection of Green Center, if you're

5530
03:58:20,239 --> 03:58:21,760
not familiar with the area, takes a hard

5531
03:58:21,760 --> 03:58:25,920
left and goes up to 114. Um, Mass DOT is

5532
03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:28,479
recommending that. So this current speed

5533
03:58:28,479 --> 03:58:30,880
limit here is 30 miles an hour and then

5534
03:58:30,880 --> 03:58:33,680
it changes for about one house and then

5535
03:58:33,680 --> 03:58:36,960
makes a hard left over to 114 at 20. Uh

5536
03:58:36,960 --> 03:58:39,680
Mass doesn't want a onehouse change in

5537
03:58:39,680 --> 03:58:41,760
speed regulations. Uh because then as

5538
03:58:41,760 --> 03:58:43,520
you continue on green you have a

5539
03:58:43,520 --> 03:58:46,160
different speed. Uh so Mass DOT is

5540
03:58:46,160 --> 03:58:48,880
recommending that this section of center

5541
03:58:48,880 --> 03:58:52,479
from 114 to the intersection of uh

5542
03:58:52,479 --> 03:58:55,359
center in green remain at 20 but it's

5543
03:58:55,359 --> 03:58:57,760
from end to end. and that this section

5544
03:58:57,760 --> 03:58:59,920
of center be extended at 30 up to the

5545
03:58:59,920 --> 03:59:01,199
intersection. So, we would just move

5546
03:59:01,199 --> 03:59:04,640
some signs around, update this map. Um,

5547
03:59:04,640 --> 03:59:06,640
in doing this, it's not covered by these

5548
03:59:06,640 --> 03:59:07,920
changes, but I should mention because

5549
03:59:07,920 --> 03:59:09,840
you'll probably get complaints as soon

5550
03:59:09,840 --> 03:59:12,319
as we leave here that uh just after

5551
03:59:12,319 --> 03:59:15,279
Patricia, so 20 is supposed to be in

5552
03:59:15,279 --> 03:59:17,199
this stretch of roadway, the speed limit

5553
03:59:17,199 --> 03:59:19,040
sign for 20 is up here, just after

5554
03:59:19,040 --> 03:59:21,760
Patricia, giving people uh in the

5555
03:59:21,760 --> 03:59:23,760
neighborhood the impression that uh

5556
03:59:23,760 --> 03:59:25,840
Green Street. And then there's also one

5557
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:28,080
down by west giving them the impression

5558
03:59:28,080 --> 03:59:30,479
that Green Street is 20 miles an hour.

5559
03:59:30,479 --> 03:59:32,239
There is no special speed regulation

5560
03:59:32,239 --> 03:59:34,560
supporting that. Um so those signs must

5561
03:59:34,560 --> 03:59:36,880
be removed. Um because it's not governed

5562
03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:38,479
by a special speed regulation. It

5563
03:59:38,479 --> 03:59:40,319
defaults to the state statutory speed.

5564
03:59:40,319 --> 03:59:42,000
So the speed limit on Green Street would

5565
03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:44,800
be 30. Um so we will just make the signs

5566
03:59:44,800 --> 03:59:46,960
reflect the uh appropriate um speed

5567
03:59:46,960 --> 03:59:48,800
limit. Um but we would be required to

5568
03:59:48,800 --> 03:59:50,399
remove those 20 mph signs because

5569
03:59:50,399 --> 03:59:51,840
they're not supported by the the

5570
03:59:51,840 --> 03:59:54,479
regulation.

5571
03:59:54,479 --> 03:59:55,840
It's crazy.

5572
03:59:55,840 --> 04:00:00,150
>> On Forest Street.

5573
04:00:00,160 --> 04:00:02,560
So, Prince

5574
04:00:02,560 --> 04:00:04,160
uh see

5575
04:00:04,160 --> 04:00:07,279
>> Quick question. So, Green Street is not

5576
04:00:07,279 --> 04:00:08,080
here.

5577
04:00:08,080 --> 04:00:09,760
>> It is not.

5578
04:00:09,760 --> 04:00:11,199
>> It's not covered by this, but in

5579
04:00:11,199 --> 04:00:12,880
reviewing this, we discovered there were

5580
04:00:12,880 --> 04:00:15,520
20 mph speed limit signs that were

5581
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:17,680
incorrectly placed. They're supposed to

5582
04:00:17,680 --> 04:00:19,520
go down Center Street, but they go down

5583
04:00:19,520 --> 04:00:20,960
street.

5584
04:00:20,960 --> 04:00:24,000
And as a reminder, we can move signs. We

5585
04:00:24,000 --> 04:00:27,040
can't change the books. So, we have to

5586
04:00:27,040 --> 04:00:29,120
go move the sign because we can't.

5587
04:00:29,120 --> 04:00:30,720
>> So, why was he put there in the first

5588
04:00:30,720 --> 04:00:31,199
place?

5589
04:00:31,199 --> 04:00:32,960
>> I don't. [laughter]

5590
04:00:32,960 --> 04:00:35,199
>> Very good question.

5591
04:00:35,199 --> 04:00:37,520
>> And can I ask a question to you, Mr.

5592
04:00:37,520 --> 04:00:39,840
Chair? Um,

5593
04:00:39,840 --> 04:00:42,399
mass dot determines the speed limit

5594
04:00:42,399 --> 04:00:44,399
you're saying on these streets, right?

5595
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:45,840
>> So, you have a couple different speed

5596
04:00:45,840 --> 04:00:47,840
limits. So statutory speed limit are all

5597
04:00:47,840 --> 04:00:50,239
the So all of the streets that you see

5598
04:00:50,239 --> 04:00:51,600
in color here

5599
04:00:51,600 --> 04:00:52,960
>> throughout the town.

5600
04:00:52,960 --> 04:00:54,880
>> These streets are streets that have a

5601
04:00:54,880 --> 04:00:57,520
special speed regulation. In 1973 you

5602
04:00:57,520 --> 04:00:59,439
had more freedom to set speed limits. So

5603
04:00:59,439 --> 04:01:02,399
in 1973 the board mass DOT and the

5604
04:01:02,399 --> 04:01:04,239
registar signed off in that document

5605
04:01:04,239 --> 04:01:06,239
saying we're going to set the speed on

5606
04:01:06,239 --> 04:01:09,279
this road at this. Um they no longer

5607
04:01:09,279 --> 04:01:11,040
allow us to do that. You have to do a

5608
04:01:11,040 --> 04:01:13,840
speed study. Um, and they will look at

5609
04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:16,399
essentially most communities are finding

5610
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:19,040
they they don't even ask them to do this

5611
04:01:19,040 --> 04:01:20,880
because they'll set whatever the 85th

5612
04:01:20,880 --> 04:01:22,960
percentile is. So whatever 85% of the

5613
04:01:22,960 --> 04:01:25,520
traffic is traveling at um if the speed

5614
04:01:25,520 --> 04:01:28,800
limit is 30 but 85% of the traffic is

5615
04:01:28,800 --> 04:01:31,120
traveling at 40, Mass DOT will change

5616
04:01:31,120 --> 04:01:32,560
the speed limit on that street to 40

5617
04:01:32,560 --> 04:01:33,359
miles an hour.

5618
04:01:33,359 --> 04:01:36,560
>> So my question to you Lieutenant is that

5619
04:01:36,560 --> 04:01:38,560
this wasn't changed. This has been since

5620
04:01:38,560 --> 04:01:40,000
1973.

5621
04:01:40,000 --> 04:01:43,680
>> Correct. We are now in 2026. Have they

5622
04:01:43,680 --> 04:01:46,160
do they take a look at I mean, you know,

5623
04:01:46,160 --> 04:01:49,199
developments, more houses in the area,

5624
04:01:49,199 --> 04:01:51,760
more traffic. I mean, sometimes, I mean,

5625
04:01:51,760 --> 04:01:53,359
I've got, you know, little kids. You saw

5626
04:01:53,359 --> 04:01:55,520
my little Evie here. you know, I mean,

5627
04:01:55,520 --> 04:01:59,279
30 35, you know, in heavy, you know,

5628
04:01:59,279 --> 04:02:01,600
populated areas is pretty fast for, you

5629
04:02:01,600 --> 04:02:02,000
know,

5630
04:02:02,000 --> 04:02:04,560
>> they've recently, it's I haven't seen

5631
04:02:04,560 --> 04:02:05,760
the paperwork, but I was at a meeting

5632
04:02:05,760 --> 04:02:08,080
with Mass DOT that they are, they allege

5633
04:02:08,080 --> 04:02:11,040
they will be now considering a lower

5634
04:02:11,040 --> 04:02:13,359
percentile. Um, but again, you'd have to

5635
04:02:13,359 --> 04:02:16,399
do a speed study. and they're basing it

5636
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:18,880
on traffic engineers saying that most

5637
04:02:18,880 --> 04:02:22,399
people travel on travel on a roadway at

5638
04:02:22,399 --> 04:02:24,319
a a speed that they feel is safe and

5639
04:02:24,319 --> 04:02:26,640
proper for that street. So, they look at

5640
04:02:26,640 --> 04:02:28,160
what's the majority of the traffic

5641
04:02:28,160 --> 04:02:29,840
doing, not the slowest car, but not the

5642
04:02:29,840 --> 04:02:32,000
fastest car, and they would use that to

5643
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:34,239
set it. Um, that is outside of if you

5644
04:02:34,239 --> 04:02:36,000
have a school zone, a school zone can be

5645
04:02:36,000 --> 04:02:40,000
set differently at 25 miles an hour. Um,

5646
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:42,000
that would be a special speed

5647
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:44,479
regulation. We also have state

5648
04:02:44,479 --> 04:02:46,080
statutory. So any of the roads in

5649
04:02:46,080 --> 04:02:47,920
Danverse here that are not in color,

5650
04:02:47,920 --> 04:02:50,160
that's the state statutory speed limit.

5651
04:02:50,160 --> 04:02:52,720
So for most of Danverse, that'll be 30 m

5652
04:02:52,720 --> 04:02:55,680
an hour would set all these roads. Um

5653
04:02:55,680 --> 04:02:58,560
there are some that that has to do with

5654
04:02:58,560 --> 04:03:00,399
how close the houses are together and

5655
04:03:00,399 --> 04:03:03,040
for what distance. Um once you get into

5656
04:03:03,040 --> 04:03:04,160
some of the open fields like the

5657
04:03:04,160 --> 04:03:07,279
cornfields, that goes up to 40 and then

5658
04:03:07,279 --> 04:03:09,680
some highways would default to default

5659
04:03:09,680 --> 04:03:12,479
to 50. Um, there's another option beyond

5660
04:03:12,479 --> 04:03:14,399
that that the town had looked at like

5661
04:03:14,399 --> 04:03:16,160
the back bay area. There's a different

5662
04:03:16,160 --> 04:03:18,160
version of thickly settled district

5663
04:03:18,160 --> 04:03:20,319
which that sets any of the any of the

5664
04:03:20,319 --> 04:03:22,720
streets. You can do it street by street

5665
04:03:22,720 --> 04:03:25,520
or communitywide. Um, and that would set

5666
04:03:25,520 --> 04:03:27,120
any of these streets that are not

5667
04:03:27,120 --> 04:03:29,199
colored uh in different color schemes

5668
04:03:29,199 --> 04:03:32,560
here. Um, would turn those into 25 mph

5669
04:03:32,560 --> 04:03:34,239
speed zones. So, those are essentially

5670
04:03:34,239 --> 04:03:35,920
the only three options. They do not let

5671
04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:38,720
us go. We want this speed to be on this

5672
04:03:38,720 --> 04:03:40,880
street for this for this reason. They

5673
04:03:40,880 --> 04:03:43,279
would either a speed study state

5674
04:03:43,279 --> 04:03:45,840
statutory or one of the two versions of

5675
04:03:45,840 --> 04:03:48,160
thickly is all they give Excuse me for

5676
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:51,520
my I'm tired you know but um speed study

5677
04:03:51,520 --> 04:03:54,560
like who does that or when does that get

5678
04:03:54,560 --> 04:03:56,080
done or

5679
04:03:56,080 --> 04:03:57,680
>> so it requires

5680
04:03:57,680 --> 04:03:59,600
>> questions board members but just

5681
04:03:59,600 --> 04:04:01,520
>> they

5682
04:04:01,520 --> 04:04:03,040
from their own regular they they

5683
04:04:03,040 --> 04:04:04,640
accepted the information that I gave

5684
04:04:04,640 --> 04:04:08,800
them from um my so I have volume and um

5685
04:04:08,800 --> 04:04:14,479
speed data for Dayton Street um if you followed their guidelines that

5686
04:04:14,479 --> 04:04:16,640
did not meet their standard for a speed

5687
04:04:16,640 --> 04:04:17,680
study you You have to have engineers

5688
04:04:17,680 --> 04:04:18,880
that go out and like you have to live

5689
04:04:18,880 --> 04:04:21,120
monitor traffic and count cars in

5690
04:04:21,120 --> 04:04:22,160
addition to everything. There are a

5691
04:04:22,160 --> 04:04:23,520
couple different things you have to do.

5692
04:04:23,520 --> 04:04:26,239
They accepted our data for for Dayton

5693
04:04:26,239 --> 04:04:30,000
Street. Um but that can be DTAC could

5694
04:04:30,000 --> 04:04:31,359
put that together. We would work with

5695
04:04:31,359 --> 04:04:33,840
the police engineers and mass DOT to get

5696
04:04:33,840 --> 04:04:35,199
a speed study, but again they're

5697
04:04:35,199 --> 04:04:37,040
hesitant to do it because most

5698
04:04:37,040 --> 04:04:40,399
communities do find that if you're if

5699
04:04:40,399 --> 04:04:41,920
the speed study comes back with the

5700
04:04:41,920 --> 04:04:43,760
higher speed, they will increase the

5701
04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:45,040
speed limit on that street.

5702
04:04:45,040 --> 04:04:48,000
>> Oh, okay. So that's why you don't you

5703
04:04:48,000 --> 04:04:49,680
will not find most communities going in

5704
04:04:49,680 --> 04:04:51,359
that in that direction.

5705
04:04:51,359 --> 04:04:52,399
>> Thank you. Thank you for the

5706
04:04:52,399 --> 04:04:54,160
explanation.

5707
04:04:54,160 --> 04:04:55,279
>> Thank you, Mr. Ch.

5708
04:04:55,279 --> 04:04:57,199
>> Thank you. I think that's a crazy way to

5709
04:04:57,199 --> 04:04:57,760
think.

5710
04:04:57,760 --> 04:04:58,720
>> Crazy. Yeah.

5711
04:04:58,720 --> 04:05:01,600
>> Yeah. Just go by whatever people are

5712
04:05:01,600 --> 04:05:04,000
doing violating what's there and then

5713
04:05:04,000 --> 04:05:06,880
just giving them more.

5714
04:05:06,880 --> 04:05:10,160
Yeah. Anyway, sorry you you may proceed.

5715
04:05:10,160 --> 04:05:11,920
>> And we are required. So there's there

5716
04:05:11,920 --> 04:05:14,000
are lot we are required to follow mass

5717
04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:17,120
DOT's engineering guidelines in setting

5718
04:05:17,120 --> 04:05:19,359
speed limits. Um so we not only have to

5719
04:05:19,359 --> 04:05:21,040
follow their engineering guidelines but

5720
04:05:21,040 --> 04:05:22,720
also the signs we post the manual for

5721
04:05:22,720 --> 04:05:24,800
uniform traffic control devices. They

5722
04:05:24,800 --> 04:05:27,600
require what signs we can post where. Um

5723
04:05:27,600 --> 04:05:29,359
thickly settled district the back bay

5724
04:05:29,359 --> 04:05:31,120
area has always been yellow on black

5725
04:05:31,120 --> 04:05:33,520
signs. They've just changed that. We got

5726
04:05:33,520 --> 04:05:35,359
a grant to replace all of our signs to

5727
04:05:35,359 --> 04:05:36,880
the typical black and white signs that

5728
04:05:36,880 --> 04:05:38,960
most people recognize. Um, but it took

5729
04:05:38,960 --> 04:05:41,600
years to get them to allow us to change

5730
04:05:41,600 --> 04:05:43,199
the color of a speed limit sign.

5731
04:05:43,199 --> 04:05:45,279
>> It's almost like, sorry, Mr. Chair, but

5732
04:05:45,279 --> 04:05:48,319
it's almost like I can see Mass DOT like

5733
04:05:48,319 --> 04:05:51,760
highways 114 95 major highways. It

5734
04:05:51,760 --> 04:05:53,840
should be up to the chief of police and

5735
04:05:53,840 --> 04:05:56,160
yourself to set the speed limits because

5736
04:05:56,160 --> 04:05:57,520
you guys work

5737
04:05:57,520 --> 04:05:58,000
>> exactly

5738
04:05:58,000 --> 04:06:00,319
>> the town, right? You know, I mean, I'm

5739
04:06:00,319 --> 04:06:01,920
going to say truthfully, even like 30,

5740
04:06:01,920 --> 04:06:04,160
35, some of them should be Jamie, like

5741
04:06:04,160 --> 04:06:06,080
in our neighborhood, right? 20 25

5742
04:06:06,080 --> 04:06:08,319
sometimes they should I mean wide

5743
04:06:08,319 --> 04:06:10,960
streets people go fast you know but

5744
04:06:10,960 --> 04:06:13,279
thank you sorry

5745
04:06:13,279 --> 04:06:16,080
>> h so I think I left off so forest

5746
04:06:16,080 --> 04:06:18,000
>> you were on forest

5747
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:21,279
>> forest street um we recommend that the

5748
04:06:21,279 --> 04:06:23,760
um the speed uh special speed regulation

5749
04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:26,239
is accepted um and we will install and

5750
04:06:26,239 --> 04:06:28,319
update some signs in the GIS map so this

5751
04:06:28,319 --> 04:06:29,760
essentially forest street has two

5752
04:06:29,760 --> 04:06:32,239
different speed limits um the side by

5753
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:35,439
Hobart street is 30 the sign the side

5754
04:06:35,439 --> 04:06:39,600
coming from uh Route 62 is 25. The map

5755
04:06:39,600 --> 04:06:41,600
is a little bit off. It shows it just at

5756
04:06:41,600 --> 04:06:43,120
St. Richard's. This house, everyone

5757
04:06:43,120 --> 04:06:44,160
knows that it's the house with the

5758
04:06:44,160 --> 04:06:44,720
chicken coop.

5759
04:06:44,720 --> 04:06:45,600
>> Oh, yeah.

5760
04:06:45,600 --> 04:06:47,359
>> The red house of the chicken coop. It

5761
04:06:47,359 --> 04:06:49,520
actually ends just past it. So, we'll

5762
04:06:49,520 --> 04:06:51,040
make sure the signs are appropriately

5763
04:06:51,040 --> 04:06:52,880
placed and that this map is updated to

5764
04:06:52,880 --> 04:06:54,640
show that's where the speed limits

5765
04:06:54,640 --> 04:06:56,800
change.

5766
04:06:56,800 --> 04:07:00,080
Uh Sherwood was one of the tricky ones.

5767
04:07:00,080 --> 04:07:02,960
Um we were surprised to discover this.

5768
04:07:02,960 --> 04:07:07,199
Uh, Sherwood in the field is posted end

5769
04:07:07,199 --> 04:07:10,319
to end as 30 miles an hour. Um, the

5770
04:07:10,319 --> 04:07:12,399
special speed regulation on Sherwood

5771
04:07:12,399 --> 04:07:15,520
Street is 35 miles an hour. Um, so if we

5772
04:07:15,520 --> 04:07:17,680
allow the speed if we if we keep the

5773
04:07:17,680 --> 04:07:19,199
special speed regulation, we would be

5774
04:07:19,199 --> 04:07:21,840
required to remove the 30s and put the

5775
04:07:21,840 --> 04:07:25,520
35s up. Um, I think the select board

5776
04:07:25,520 --> 04:07:27,279
would be getting complaints from about a

5777
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:28,880
hundred or so residents here if they saw

5778
04:07:28,880 --> 04:07:31,120
that happen. Um, so one of the

5779
04:07:31,120 --> 04:07:33,439
workarounds is to resend this special

5780
04:07:33,439 --> 04:07:35,439
speed regulation. That would default to

5781
04:07:35,439 --> 04:07:37,680
the state statutory speed, which is 30.

5782
04:07:37,680 --> 04:07:39,920
So essentially nothing would change on

5783
04:07:39,920 --> 04:07:42,160
Sherwood. Um, I would just be required

5784
04:07:42,160 --> 04:07:44,800
to the 30 mph signs. You have to get a

5785
04:07:44,800 --> 04:07:47,680
little plaque that goes under them that

5786
04:07:47,680 --> 04:07:50,239
notes which law we're referring to to

5787
04:07:50,239 --> 04:07:53,600
make it which 30 we're referring to.

5788
04:07:53,600 --> 04:07:56,080
Again, bank robbery was easier than

5789
04:07:56,080 --> 04:07:58,319
speeding and parking. [laughter]

5790
04:07:58,319 --> 04:07:58,640
Um

5791
04:07:58,640 --> 04:08:00,239
>> I think the others are the same.

5792
04:08:00,239 --> 04:08:01,840
>> Yeah. And also for us for it is

5793
04:08:01,840 --> 04:08:03,680
problematic when we see you know we

5794
04:08:03,680 --> 04:08:05,680
can't have officers

5795
04:08:05,680 --> 04:08:07,439
if the the lawfully established speed

5796
04:08:07,439 --> 04:08:10,880
limit is 35 and we're stopping but we

5797
04:08:10,880 --> 04:08:12,319
think it's 30 or there's one street

5798
04:08:12,319 --> 04:08:14,560
you'll see that it's it's posted at 30.

5799
04:08:14,560 --> 04:08:17,439
It's really 40. That's if we stop those

5800
04:08:17,439 --> 04:08:19,120
cars. It was an unlawful stop to begin

5801
04:08:19,120 --> 04:08:22,080
with. Um if we arrest somebody and find

5802
04:08:22,080 --> 04:08:24,000
evidence of crimes in their car that

5803
04:08:24,000 --> 04:08:27,199
will be suppressed. um if we some

5804
04:08:27,199 --> 04:08:30,080
traffic stops turn into um violent

5805
04:08:30,080 --> 04:08:31,680
encounters with the police. If we get in

5806
04:08:31,680 --> 04:08:33,840
a fight and that operator is hurt or one

5807
04:08:33,840 --> 04:08:35,760
of our officers were hurt, it might

5808
04:08:35,760 --> 04:08:38,239
later be found that the stop to begin

5809
04:08:38,239 --> 04:08:40,880
with was unlawful. And I think those are

5810
04:08:40,880 --> 04:08:43,120
the chief and I have had concerns over

5811
04:08:43,120 --> 04:08:45,279
making sure these signs get updated to

5812
04:08:45,279 --> 04:08:48,160
what they need to be if if we have to

5813
04:08:48,160 --> 04:08:49,600
and then find some ways to lower the

5814
04:08:49,600 --> 04:08:52,479
speeds where we can. But um so that was

5815
04:08:52,479 --> 04:08:54,640
Sherwood. Old Burley is the one. And I

5816
04:08:54,640 --> 04:08:55,840
know there's some dispute. Some people

5817
04:08:55,840 --> 04:08:58,000
call it Old Burley, some people don't.

5818
04:08:58,000 --> 04:09:00,080
Um, but Old Burley essentially has three

5819
04:09:00,080 --> 04:09:02,239
different speed limits, which starts at

5820
04:09:02,239 --> 04:09:05,520
20 mph. Um, down by the airport, it goes

5821
04:09:05,520 --> 04:09:09,040
up to 30 mph. And then this is where,

5822
04:09:09,040 --> 04:09:11,760
um, just past Burley. Um, it is

5823
04:09:11,760 --> 04:09:13,760
currently signed at 30. The special

5824
04:09:13,760 --> 04:09:16,720
speed regulation from 1973 sets it at 40

5825
04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:17,760
mph. [music]

5826
04:09:17,760 --> 04:09:20,080
It's also posted at 30 when you come in

5827
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:22,239
from Winnham. So if we accept this

5828
04:09:22,239 --> 04:09:23,760
special speed regulation, we would be

5829
04:09:23,760 --> 04:09:27,040
required to post Oberly at 40. So again,

5830
04:09:27,040 --> 04:09:28,960
a workaround for that is to resend this

5831
04:09:28,960 --> 04:09:30,960
special speed regulation, it would then

5832
04:09:30,960 --> 04:09:33,439
revote revert to the uh state statutory

5833
04:09:33,439 --> 04:09:36,960
speed, which is 30. Um, so essentially

5834
04:09:36,960 --> 04:09:38,720
nothing would change. I would just put a

5835
04:09:38,720 --> 04:09:40,720
plaque below the speed limit sign, and

5836
04:09:40,720 --> 04:09:43,040
nobody would have to know any different

5837
04:09:43,040 --> 04:09:44,560
over

5838
04:09:44,560 --> 04:09:46,080
what's going on there, and then we would

5839
04:09:46,080 --> 04:09:48,720
change the map.

5840
04:09:48,720 --> 04:09:51,520
Uh the same issue on Bradford. Bradford

5841
04:09:51,520 --> 04:09:53,680
comes around the corner. Um it is again

5842
04:09:53,680 --> 04:09:56,239
20 here, 20 here, but then 30 here and

5843
04:09:56,239 --> 04:09:58,800
30 here. So if we rescend this special

5844
04:09:58,800 --> 04:10:01,600
speed regulation, the entire the entire

5845
04:10:01,600 --> 04:10:03,920
road from Winnham all the way straight

5846
04:10:03,920 --> 04:10:05,840
down all the way down to Cabbat, that

5847
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:07,680
would all just be 30 m hour and you

5848
04:10:07,680 --> 04:10:08,880
wouldn't have these little pockets of

5849
04:10:08,880 --> 04:10:13,830
these random speed limits.

5850
04:10:13,840 --> 04:10:19,968
Uh Dartmouth

5851
04:10:19,978 --> 04:10:22,000
» [clears throat]

5852
04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:24,560
» Dartmouth had a pocket at the end. So

5853
04:10:24,560 --> 04:10:26,880
from number

5854
04:10:26,880 --> 04:10:31,040
17 to Colby drops down to 20 in one

5855
04:10:31,040 --> 04:10:33,439
direction. Uh not really regulated in

5856
04:10:33,439 --> 04:10:35,520
the opposite direction and then for the

5857
04:10:35,520 --> 04:10:37,359
most the remainder of the street it is

5858
04:10:37,359 --> 04:10:39,680
30. So the recommendation was to make it

5859
04:10:39,680 --> 04:10:42,080
simple. uh resend this special speed

5860
04:10:42,080 --> 04:10:44,160
regulation in Dartmouth would be 30 end

5861
04:10:44,160 --> 04:10:46,479
to end and I do believe that it's posted

5862
04:10:46,479 --> 04:10:48,479
at 30. We wouldn't have to change

5863
04:10:48,479 --> 04:10:52,469
anything.

5864
04:10:52,479 --> 04:10:56,399
Princeton Street goes from

5865
04:10:56,399 --> 04:10:59,359
the intersection of Trinity. It starts

5866
04:10:59,359 --> 04:11:04,080
off at 20. It jumps up to 30. It goes to

5867
04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:05,680
the intersection of Dartmouth. And then

5868
04:11:05,680 --> 04:11:08,239
it drops back down to 20 again for one,

5869
04:11:08,239 --> 04:11:10,800
two, three, four, five houses and then

5870
04:11:10,800 --> 04:11:14,640
it goes back up to 30. Um, I have no

5871
04:11:14,640 --> 04:11:18,319
idea how this came about. Mass DOT did

5872
04:11:18,319 --> 04:11:21,840
not like the mid unless you have some

5873
04:11:21,840 --> 04:11:23,840
there was a if we could argue there was

5874
04:11:23,840 --> 04:11:25,920
a hospital there or something. We needed

5875
04:11:25,920 --> 04:11:28,960
um they recommend having one speed limit

5876
04:11:28,960 --> 04:11:31,120
for the the length of the street which

5877
04:11:31,120 --> 04:11:33,040
would the easiest way to accomplish that

5878
04:11:33,040 --> 04:11:35,279
is again resend this one. it would be

5879
04:11:35,279 --> 04:11:38,080
state statutory thickly settled at 30.

5880
04:11:38,080 --> 04:11:40,560
Um the street is currently posted at 30.

5881
04:11:40,560 --> 04:11:42,319
So nothing would change. Um we would

5882
04:11:42,319 --> 04:11:44,319
change the map and then put that special

5883
04:11:44,319 --> 04:11:45,680
little plaque under it to note which

5884
04:11:45,680 --> 04:11:52,150
lobby we're referring to.

5885
04:11:52,160 --> 04:11:55,279
Appleton Broad and Rainbow.

5886
04:11:55,279 --> 04:12:06,150
Oops. Oh, now I've done it.

5887
04:12:06,160 --> 04:12:08,640
Um, Mass DOT noted and this this is

5888
04:12:08,640 --> 04:12:10,479
probably true that at some point in

5889
04:12:10,479 --> 04:12:12,160
history you could drive from these

5890
04:12:12,160 --> 04:12:14,000
streets to Endicott Street. This is now

5891
04:12:14,000 --> 04:12:15,920
closed off. You can no longer get to

5892
04:12:15,920 --> 04:12:17,600
this location. So, they wanted to know

5893
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:19,199
why we have so many multiple different

5894
04:12:19,199 --> 04:12:21,439
speed limits here. Um, portions of it

5895
04:12:21,439 --> 04:12:25,520
are 20, portions of it are 25. Um, there

5896
04:12:25,520 --> 04:12:27,760
are some signs. We thought the easiest

5897
04:12:27,760 --> 04:12:31,040
way is just ask mass DOT to ensure the

5898
04:12:31,040 --> 04:12:32,560
special speed regulation matches what

5899
04:12:32,560 --> 04:12:34,239
this map says. We're not changing any

5900
04:12:34,239 --> 04:12:36,960
speeds. Um and we will just make sure

5901
04:12:36,960 --> 04:12:38,479
the correct signs are in the correct

5902
04:12:38,479 --> 04:12:40,160
locations, but there'll be no

5903
04:12:40,160 --> 04:12:41,840
essentially there'll be no changes for

5904
04:12:41,840 --> 04:12:46,229
this neighborhood.

5905
04:12:46,239 --> 04:12:49,680
Uh Brad Street A

5906
04:12:49,680 --> 04:12:53,279
is another street. Uh

5907
04:12:53,279 --> 04:12:55,920
the top of it in one direction is 25.

5908
04:12:55,920 --> 04:12:58,239
The majority of Brad Street is 30 and

5909
04:12:58,239 --> 04:13:01,279
then the bottom portion of one side of

5910
04:13:01,279 --> 04:13:03,680
the street is 25. So again, the

5911
04:13:03,680 --> 04:13:05,199
recommendation is to have a consistent

5912
04:13:05,199 --> 04:13:06,479
speed limit for the length of the

5913
04:13:06,479 --> 04:13:08,479
street. Uh resend this special speed

5914
04:13:08,479 --> 04:13:10,080
regulation. The street would default to

5915
04:13:10,080 --> 04:13:12,560
the state statutory 30 m hour. It is

5916
04:13:12,560 --> 04:13:14,960
currently posted at 30 m hour. So

5917
04:13:14,960 --> 04:13:21,269
nothing would change with that street.

5918
04:13:21,279 --> 04:13:28,070
Prince and garden.

5919
04:13:28,080 --> 04:13:29,279
You must be impressed that I can find

5920
04:13:29,279 --> 04:13:31,840
these these quickly on this map. Right.

5921
04:13:31,840 --> 04:13:34,000
So, Prince and Garden Mass DOT. So,

5922
04:13:34,000 --> 04:13:37,279
currently um so Prince Street um at the

5923
04:13:37,279 --> 04:13:42,000
intersection of Center is um 20 mph. Um

5924
04:13:42,000 --> 04:13:44,239
it does not continue on Prince. It turns

5925
04:13:44,239 --> 04:13:46,800
left at 20 onto Garden Street and then

5926
04:13:46,800 --> 04:13:49,040
ends two houses down. Mass DOT asked

5927
04:13:49,040 --> 04:13:50,560
what what was the reason for this? we

5928
04:13:50,560 --> 04:13:52,560
don't really have a reason. So they

5929
04:13:52,560 --> 04:13:55,040
simply asked that this street remain the

5930
04:13:55,040 --> 04:13:57,600
same. So Prince from center to the

5931
04:13:57,600 --> 04:13:59,600
intersection of garden would be 20 and

5932
04:13:59,600 --> 04:14:02,399
end there and then uh garden street in

5933
04:14:02,399 --> 04:14:04,720
its length would be 30. Um that is

5934
04:14:04,720 --> 04:14:06,880
currently I believe how it's posted. So

5935
04:14:06,880 --> 04:14:08,399
we would just update the map and make

5936
04:14:08,399 --> 04:14:10,640
sure the signs had the correct plaques.

5937
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:12,479
This section here is the only part that

5938
04:14:12,479 --> 04:14:15,840
would change.

5939
04:14:15,840 --> 04:14:17,439
And then Beaver Park is done correctly.

5940
04:14:17,439 --> 04:14:19,680
We don't need any signs, map or uh or

5941
04:14:19,680 --> 04:14:21,439
language changes,

5942
04:14:21,439 --> 04:14:21,920
>> Lieutenant.

5943
04:14:21,920 --> 04:14:22,399
>> Okay.

5944
04:14:22,399 --> 04:14:24,159
>> So, they did require in order to fix

5945
04:14:24,159 --> 04:14:26,399
Dayton Street, we had to address the

5946
04:14:26,399 --> 04:14:27,840
rest of these. The residents have been

5947
04:14:27,840 --> 04:14:30,159
very patient with us, but this is why it

5948
04:14:30,159 --> 04:14:32,080
took so long. Uh street department,

5949
04:14:32,080 --> 04:14:33,840
engineering department, and the police

5950
04:14:33,840 --> 04:14:36,800
department have worked on gathering all

5951
04:14:36,800 --> 04:14:38,159
of this information for the past few

5952
04:14:38,159 --> 04:14:39,760
months to put it together for you.

5953
04:14:39,760 --> 04:14:40,800
>> Jeez.

5954
04:14:40,800 --> 04:14:44,080
>> Thank you. Thank you. Uh so, board

5955
04:14:44,080 --> 04:14:46,479
members, question. Yes. Remember Bean?

5956
04:14:46,479 --> 04:14:47,680
>> Just a quick question. Do you think all

5957
04:14:47,680 --> 04:14:49,279
these are you going to have a sale on 20

5958
04:14:49,279 --> 04:14:51,199
mph sign first? [laughter] That's the

5959
04:14:51,199 --> 04:14:51,760
first thing.

5960
04:14:51,760 --> 04:14:53,199
>> I should have been in the flashing light

5961
04:14:53,199 --> 04:14:55,120
and sign business. One sign on Dayton

5962
04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:56,640
Street, one illuminated speed limit

5963
04:14:56,640 --> 04:14:58,239
sign. It's just a speed limit sign that

5964
04:14:58,239 --> 04:15:01,439
lights up. Radio Shack, it's $1,500.

5965
04:15:01,439 --> 04:15:02,239
>> Wow.

5966
04:15:02,239 --> 04:15:05,439
>> Do you think some of these uh sign the

5967
04:15:05,439 --> 04:15:08,880
speed changes were made

5968
04:15:08,880 --> 04:15:11,840
>> by neighbor complaints back back in the

5969
04:15:11,840 --> 04:15:14,640
day? Do you think that the town was just

5970
04:15:14,640 --> 04:15:16,000
>> I would assume there was a probably a

5971
04:15:16,000 --> 04:15:17,279
point in time where somebody could just

5972
04:15:17,279 --> 04:15:18,640
call somebody and say they're going too

5973
04:15:18,640 --> 04:15:19,840
fast. Put up a sign.

5974
04:15:19,840 --> 04:15:20,239
>> Yeah.

5975
04:15:20,239 --> 04:15:22,000
>> Um and that's just what got done.

5976
04:15:22,000 --> 04:15:23,600
>> Yeah.

5977
04:15:23,600 --> 04:15:24,800
>> That's all. Thank you.

5978
04:15:24,800 --> 04:15:27,359
>> Okay. Thank you. Member Trust.

5979
04:15:27,359 --> 04:15:29,439
>> No, I I very thorough and I appreciate

5980
04:15:29,439 --> 04:15:31,920
all the work that went into this to make

5981
04:15:31,920 --> 04:15:34,080
Dayton people happy because I have some

5982
04:15:34,080 --> 04:15:35,359
friends on Dayton Street and I've heard

5983
04:15:35,359 --> 04:15:38,159
their concerns for quite a while. So,

5984
04:15:38,159 --> 04:15:41,199
it's good. Thank you. Thank you.

5985
04:15:41,199 --> 04:15:42,880
>> Member Bennett.

5986
04:15:42,880 --> 04:15:45,040
>> Uh, Lieutenant Sullivan, we've been

5987
04:15:45,040 --> 04:15:47,120
discussing these streets for years.

5988
04:15:47,120 --> 04:15:51,510
Thank you for finally getting this done.

5989
04:15:51,520 --> 04:15:52,560
» Member Bernard,

5990
04:15:52,560 --> 04:15:54,687
>> good job. I just don't understand it.

5991
04:15:54,687 --> 04:15:55,279
[laughter]

5992
04:15:55,279 --> 04:15:56,960
>> No, I understand what you're saying, but

5993
04:15:56,960 --> 04:15:58,960
I don't understand the difference in the

5994
04:15:58,960 --> 04:16:02,239
speeds with the streets and 1973. Maybe

5995
04:16:02,239 --> 04:16:04,479
we should change.

5996
04:16:04,479 --> 04:16:05,920
>> No, maybe they should change like we've

5997
04:16:05,920 --> 04:16:07,787
changed the town meeting directing it.

5998
04:16:07,787 --> 04:16:08,800
[laughter] You know what I'm saying?

5999
04:16:08,800 --> 04:16:11,840
since 1973. Does Mass DOT even come and

6000
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:13,680
drive these streets? Probably not.

6001
04:16:13,680 --> 04:16:16,479
>> No, they go by your by whatever you

6002
04:16:16,479 --> 04:16:18,880
>> Good job. You did a great presentation.

6003
04:16:18,880 --> 04:16:22,479
>> So, um, are we open to taking this as a

6004
04:16:22,479 --> 04:16:23,359
slate?

6005
04:16:23,359 --> 04:16:23,760
>> Yes.

6006
04:16:23,760 --> 04:16:26,479
>> Are we Do we want to carve anything out?

6007
04:16:26,479 --> 04:16:28,800
I see a consensus here. Take it as a

6008
04:16:28,800 --> 04:16:31,120
slate. Okay. I'll entertain a motion.

6009
04:16:31,120 --> 04:16:34,000
>> Motion to approve the slate.

6010
04:16:34,000 --> 04:16:36,080
>> You have words you want.

6011
04:16:36,080 --> 04:16:39,439
>> Um, no. I mean I think

6012
04:16:39,439 --> 04:16:40,319
>> no yeah

6013
04:16:40,319 --> 04:16:42,000
>> um I don't think I have a

6014
04:16:42,000 --> 04:16:43,120
>> as presented I think

6015
04:16:43,120 --> 04:16:44,880
>> yeah just approved the slate as

6016
04:16:44,880 --> 04:16:46,720
presented um

6017
04:16:46,720 --> 04:16:49,680
>> be happy to say let's approve the slate

6018
04:16:49,680 --> 04:16:52,000
as presented by Lieutenant Sullivan

6019
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:52,399
>> second

6020
04:16:52,399 --> 04:16:53,680
>> still lieutenant right

6021
04:16:53,680 --> 04:16:54,239
>> yes

6022
04:16:54,239 --> 04:16:56,800
>> yeah any any further discussion

6023
04:16:56,800 --> 04:16:59,040
>> motion right here

6024
04:16:59,040 --> 04:17:02,000
>> none okay so I got a motion and a

6025
04:17:02,000 --> 04:17:04,880
seconded all those in favor say I

6026
04:17:04,880 --> 04:17:06,640
>> I

6027
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:07,840
AL.

6028
04:17:07,840 --> 04:17:08,960
>> Thank you so much.

6029
04:17:08,960 --> 04:17:09,840
>> Thank you, Lieutenant.

6030
04:17:09,840 --> 04:17:10,399
>> Thank you,

6031
04:17:10,399 --> 04:17:11,920
>> Mr. Chair. If I may, just I want to make

6032
04:17:11,920 --> 04:17:13,760
sure I say this out loud for clarity.

6033
04:17:13,760 --> 04:17:16,399
Um, we talked earlier about the notice

6034
04:17:16,399 --> 04:17:18,880
requirements. So, the changes you made

6035
04:17:18,880 --> 04:17:21,520
on local regulations is governed by Mass

6036
04:17:21,520 --> 04:17:24,880
General Law, Chapter 40, Section 22

6037
04:17:24,880 --> 04:17:26,960
that reads, uh, such rules and orders

6038
04:17:26,960 --> 04:17:28,720
shall not take effect until they have

6039
04:17:28,720 --> 04:17:30,720
been published at least once in a

6040
04:17:30,720 --> 04:17:33,279
newspaper published in the city, town,

6041
04:17:33,279 --> 04:17:35,520
or country. This section references

6042
04:17:35,520 --> 04:17:37,359
chapter 90, section 18, which reiterates

6043
04:17:37,359 --> 04:17:39,760
that a one-time newspaper notice is

6044
04:17:39,760 --> 04:17:42,319
required to adopt or resend some speed

6045
04:17:42,319 --> 04:17:43,840
limits, parking, all that kind of stuff.

6046
04:17:43,840 --> 04:17:45,439
So, I just want to make it clear, we

6047
04:17:45,439 --> 04:17:46,880
have to publish in the newspaper

6048
04:17:46,880 --> 04:17:51,120
everything we did tonight, both um Park

6049
04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:54,800
Street and these and then get to work on

6050
04:17:54,800 --> 04:17:55,920
the posting.

6051
04:17:55,920 --> 04:18:01,030
>> Okay. Thank you.

6052
04:18:01,040 --> 04:18:03,439
» Okay. Was that the end of the agenda?

6053
04:18:03,439 --> 04:18:05,033
>> Nope.

6054
04:18:05,033 --> 04:18:06,880
>> [laughter]

6055
04:18:06,880 --> 04:18:10,389
>> Nope.

6056
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:13,548
» Madame clerk,

6057
04:18:13,548 --> 04:18:15,830
[laughter]

6058
04:18:15,840 --> 04:18:18,000
» the town clerk will provide an update on

6059
04:18:18,000 --> 04:18:20,479
the November 3rd, 2026 state election

6060
04:18:20,479 --> 04:18:22,560
and request votes to set early voting

6061
04:18:22,560 --> 04:18:25,199
location and confirm warrant details.

6062
04:18:25,199 --> 04:18:27,199
>> Thank you. way.

6063
04:18:27,199 --> 04:18:30,479
>> So, in I in your packet, I sent you, uh,

6064
04:18:30,479 --> 04:18:33,040
a memo, and on that memo, I have some

6065
04:18:33,040 --> 04:18:36,239
information. So, um, election day is

6066
04:18:36,239 --> 04:18:38,640
Tuesday, November 3rd at Danvers High

6067
04:18:38,640 --> 04:18:41,520
School from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Uh,

6068
04:18:41,520 --> 04:18:44,080
this is the state election. The ballot

6069
04:18:44,080 --> 04:18:46,640
is two pages based and based on nine

6070
04:18:46,640 --> 04:18:48,640
questions. So, I don't usually give you

6071
04:18:48,640 --> 04:18:51,520
a copy of the the ballot, but I did in

6072
04:18:51,520 --> 04:18:53,520
this case, just so we've never had a

6073
04:18:53,520 --> 04:18:56,560
two-page ballot, as far as I know. Um,

6074
04:18:56,560 --> 04:18:58,640
so I'm giving you a sample of the two

6075
04:18:58,640 --> 04:19:02,080
pages. So, um, it is they're called

6076
04:19:02,080 --> 04:19:04,319
cards. So, the first page of the ballot

6077
04:19:04,319 --> 04:19:07,279
is card one. The second page is going to

6078
04:19:07,279 --> 04:19:09,920
be called card two.

6079
04:19:09,920 --> 04:19:13,279
Um, so when voters come in, when they

6080
04:19:13,279 --> 04:19:15,840
get their ballot in the mail, it's two

6081
04:19:15,840 --> 04:19:18,399
pages. So, when they come in to vote,

6082
04:19:18,399 --> 04:19:20,720
whether it be early voting or at the

6083
04:19:20,720 --> 04:19:23,199
polls on election day, they'll check in

6084
04:19:23,199 --> 04:19:25,520
like they normally do, the pole worker

6085
04:19:25,520 --> 04:19:28,319
will hand them two ballots, two separate

6086
04:19:28,319 --> 04:19:30,560
pages, and they'll have to return those

6087
04:19:30,560 --> 04:19:32,319
two separate pages at the checkout

6088
04:19:32,319 --> 04:19:34,960
table. One of the things that we're

6089
04:19:34,960 --> 04:19:37,439
envisioning is going to be a problem is

6090
04:19:37,439 --> 04:19:39,600
the nine questions. And what we want to

6091
04:19:39,600 --> 04:19:42,239
try to do is to get voters to be

6092
04:19:42,239 --> 04:19:45,760
prepared before they get to the poll. um

6093
04:19:45,760 --> 04:19:48,159
so that they're not tying up the voting

6094
04:19:48,159 --> 04:19:49,760
booth.

6095
04:19:49,760 --> 04:19:53,520
Um also in your packet, so tomorrow um I

6096
04:19:53,520 --> 04:19:55,279
wanted to get through tonight first

6097
04:19:55,279 --> 04:19:58,319
before we posted um a couple of things

6098
04:19:58,319 --> 04:20:01,279
on social media. So um you've got the

6099
04:20:01,279 --> 04:20:03,920
ballot and then uh my assistant over

6100
04:20:03,920 --> 04:20:06,880
there, the town manager is holding up um

6101
04:20:06,880 --> 04:20:07,840
>> Diana White. Yeah,

6102
04:20:07,840 --> 04:20:11,359
>> Mary Beth uh Mary Beth Very did that uh

6103
04:20:11,359 --> 04:20:13,120
flyer and that's going to be part of the

6104
04:20:13,120 --> 04:20:16,319
social media and this this is our effort

6105
04:20:16,319 --> 04:20:19,199
to um get it out there to the voters

6106
04:20:19,199 --> 04:20:20,960
that it's important that you're taking

6107
04:20:20,960 --> 04:20:23,359
the time to review the red book to know

6108
04:20:23,359 --> 04:20:25,199
what your choices are going to be so

6109
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:28,159
that you're prepared when you go. So for

6110
04:20:28,159 --> 04:20:31,199
early voting um we're going to have or

6111
04:20:31,199 --> 04:20:33,359
we have in the lobby right now a sign

6112
04:20:33,359 --> 04:20:35,920
like the one to the left of the door. Uh

6113
04:20:35,920 --> 04:20:38,080
there's a table in the lobby with chairs

6114
04:20:38,080 --> 04:20:40,159
and some red books. And then there's

6115
04:20:40,159 --> 04:20:43,359
also a checklist sheet that's also

6116
04:20:43,359 --> 04:20:46,159
included as the last page of that red

6117
04:20:46,159 --> 04:20:48,479
book. So you have that in your red book,

6118
04:20:48,479 --> 04:20:49,680
but then we're going to have some of

6119
04:20:49,680 --> 04:20:52,319
these separate pages. Uh we're going to

6120
04:20:52,319 --> 04:20:55,279
give people a space at early voting in

6121
04:20:55,279 --> 04:20:57,439
person and on election day at the

6122
04:20:57,439 --> 04:20:59,279
fieldhouse. There'll be some tables in

6123
04:20:59,279 --> 04:21:02,080
the lobby of the fieldhouse. Uh, and

6124
04:21:02,080 --> 04:21:03,760
we're going to encourage voters to

6125
04:21:03,760 --> 04:21:06,640
either prepare at home or take the time

6126
04:21:06,640 --> 04:21:10,000
to prepare in the lobby before you come

6127
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:14,000
into the the fieldhouse. Um, otherwise

6128
04:21:14,000 --> 04:21:16,319
the it's going to get all backed up and

6129
04:21:16,319 --> 04:21:17,840
you're going to have people standing in

6130
04:21:17,840 --> 04:21:20,800
the booth for ever because what there's

6131
04:21:20,800 --> 04:21:24,000
nine questions. Uh, so we want people to

6132
04:21:24,000 --> 04:21:25,680
be prepared for that and we're doing the

6133
04:21:25,680 --> 04:21:27,760
best we can to get that word out. We've

6134
04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:29,840
got these um the red books, the

6135
04:21:29,840 --> 04:21:31,359
checklists are in the clerk's office.

6136
04:21:31,359 --> 04:21:33,439
We've got them in the lobby. Uh we're

6137
04:21:33,439 --> 04:21:35,760
going to put social media um bursts

6138
04:21:35,760 --> 04:21:38,159
tomorrow.

6139
04:21:38,159 --> 04:21:42,880
Uh and then what else do I have here? Um

6140
04:21:42,880 --> 04:21:44,319
>> talk about the dates.

6141
04:21:44,319 --> 04:21:47,840
>> The dates Nove

6142
04:21:47,840 --> 04:21:48,880
trying to get through the rest of this

6143
04:21:48,880 --> 04:21:50,239
other stuff I have here too. Wait a

6144
04:21:50,239 --> 04:21:52,479
minute. Let's see the voter guide. Um,

6145
04:21:52,479 --> 04:21:54,399
we do, uh, voters are encouraged to

6146
04:21:54,399 --> 04:21:56,159
check your voting status to make sure

6147
04:21:56,159 --> 04:21:58,560
that you are registered to vote and you

6148
04:21:58,560 --> 04:22:00,880
can do that on mass.gov and then you

6149
04:22:00,880 --> 04:22:03,920
search election division. Um, there are

6150
04:22:03,920 --> 04:22:06,319
still some inactive voters that did not

6151
04:22:06,319 --> 04:22:10,800
return the census. So you if you are

6152
04:22:10,800 --> 04:22:12,720
inactive, you would be asked to show

6153
04:22:12,720 --> 04:22:15,120
proof of a residency, which could be a

6154
04:22:15,120 --> 04:22:17,359
driver's license or something else. So

6155
04:22:17,359 --> 04:22:19,760
you want to check that status before you

6156
04:22:19,760 --> 04:22:23,120
get to the poll. Uh, and then if you've

6157
04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:25,520
done vote by mail,

6158
04:22:25,520 --> 04:22:29,439
um, we have, uh, mailed out as of today,

6159
04:22:29,439 --> 04:22:31,439
4,519

6160
04:22:31,439 --> 04:22:34,399
ballots have gone out to voters. So,

6161
04:22:34,399 --> 04:22:36,000
those are all the requests that came in

6162
04:22:36,000 --> 04:22:37,279
through today.

6163
04:22:37,279 --> 04:22:39,760
>> Uh, so if you have requested a ballot,

6164
04:22:39,760 --> 04:22:41,439
it should be coming in the next couple

6165
04:22:41,439 --> 04:22:44,399
of days. And you can check the status of

6166
04:22:44,399 --> 04:22:46,880
your ballot on that election division

6167
04:22:46,880 --> 04:22:48,800
site as well. So, it would say if you

6168
04:22:48,800 --> 04:22:50,319
went on there and you clicked and you

6169
04:22:50,319 --> 04:22:52,080
put your information, it would tell you

6170
04:22:52,080 --> 04:22:54,239
that the ballot has been mailed. Uh, and

6171
04:22:54,239 --> 04:22:55,680
then when you send the ballot back and

6172
04:22:55,680 --> 04:22:57,520
we process it, it will say that the

6173
04:22:57,520 --> 04:22:59,120
ballot has been received. So, that you

6174
04:22:59,120 --> 04:23:02,560
would know you're all set. Uh, let's

6175
04:23:02,560 --> 04:23:05,120
see. The last day to register to vote is

6176
04:23:05,120 --> 04:23:08,159
the second Saturday of early voting,

6177
04:23:08,159 --> 04:23:09,840
which is going to be Saturday, October

6178
04:23:09,840 --> 04:23:11,680
24th.

6179
04:23:11,680 --> 04:23:14,239
Um, let's see. you can still return your

6180
04:23:14,239 --> 04:23:16,080
vote by mail card and we're still

6181
04:23:16,080 --> 04:23:19,520
processing out mailed ballots. Um, one

6182
04:23:19,520 --> 04:23:21,279
of the I need a couple of motions

6183
04:23:21,279 --> 04:23:23,199
tonight. So, early voting for this

6184
04:23:23,199 --> 04:23:25,359
election is going to run for two weeks.

6185
04:23:25,359 --> 04:23:27,600
So, it's going to start on Saturday,

6186
04:23:27,600 --> 04:23:30,319
October 17th. And we're going to have

6187
04:23:30,319 --> 04:23:33,120
two Saturdays, the 17th and the 24th

6188
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:36,239
from 10:00 a.m. to 4 pm. And then for

6189
04:23:36,239 --> 04:23:39,439
those two weeks from the 17th of October

6190
04:23:39,439 --> 04:23:42,800
through Friday, October 30th,

6191
04:23:42,800 --> 04:23:44,720
it'll be during regular business hours

6192
04:23:44,720 --> 04:23:47,199
in this room in the TUMI room. So voters

6193
04:23:47,199 --> 04:23:50,159
can come um and vote in person during

6194
04:23:50,159 --> 04:23:53,439
that time as well. So, I would like a

6195
04:23:53,439 --> 04:23:55,359
motion, if I could, and I think I've got

6196
04:23:55,359 --> 04:23:58,479
a potential motion on there to um

6197
04:23:58,479 --> 04:24:01,040
approve the uh designate town hall as

6198
04:24:01,040 --> 04:24:04,000
the early voting location at the hours.

6199
04:24:04,000 --> 04:24:05,520
And I want to have that by roll call if

6200
04:24:05,520 --> 04:24:06,239
I could.

6201
04:24:06,239 --> 04:24:07,760
>> Sure.

6202
04:24:07,760 --> 04:24:09,120
So, moved.

6203
04:24:09,120 --> 04:24:11,520
>> Well, do you you want the words? You can

6204
04:24:11,520 --> 04:24:14,000
just um if you the the proposed motion,

6205
04:24:14,000 --> 04:24:15,199
you don't have to list all the different

6206
04:24:15,199 --> 04:24:16,800
days, but if you just read

6207
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:18,880
>> I make a motion to designate Town Hall

6208
04:24:18,880 --> 04:24:20,640
One Silven Street as the early voting

6209
04:24:20,640 --> 04:24:23,120
location for the November 3rd, 2026

6210
04:24:23,120 --> 04:24:26,800
state election from October 17th, 2026

6211
04:24:26,800 --> 04:24:29,840
through October 30th, 2026 during

6212
04:24:29,840 --> 04:24:31,680
regular business hours as well as

6213
04:24:31,680 --> 04:24:34,080
Saturday, October 17th and Sunday,

6214
04:24:34,080 --> 04:24:35,600
October 24th between

6215
04:24:35,600 --> 04:24:36,399
>> and Saturday,

6216
04:24:36,399 --> 04:24:38,720
>> I'm sorry, and Saturday, October 24th

6217
04:24:38,720 --> 04:24:41,600
between 10:00 a.m. in 4 p.m. on these

6218
04:24:41,600 --> 04:24:44,399
Saturdays as presented in the table as

6219
04:24:44,399 --> 04:24:45,840
will be published.

6220
04:24:45,840 --> 04:24:47,520
>> Thank you. [snorts]

6221
04:24:47,520 --> 04:24:49,199
>> And second then

6222
04:24:49,199 --> 04:24:49,840
>> second.

6223
04:24:49,840 --> 04:24:50,880
>> Okay.

6224
04:24:50,880 --> 04:24:52,080
And then

6225
04:24:52,080 --> 04:24:54,479
>> any further discussions

6226
04:24:54,479 --> 04:24:56,319
hear none. Okay. I'll do a roll call

6227
04:24:56,319 --> 04:24:57,760
vote. Member Task.

6228
04:24:57,760 --> 04:24:58,399
>> Yes.

6229
04:24:58,399 --> 04:24:59,359
>> Member Bean.

6230
04:24:59,359 --> 04:25:00,000
>> Yes.

6231
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:00,880
>> Member Bennett.

6232
04:25:00,880 --> 04:25:01,680
>> Yes.

6233
04:25:01,680 --> 04:25:02,800
>> Member Bernard.

6234
04:25:02,800 --> 04:25:03,199
>> Yes.

6235
04:25:03,199 --> 04:25:04,239
>> And I'm Yes.

6236
04:25:04,239 --> 04:25:06,640
>> Thank you. And then the one other uh

6237
04:25:06,640 --> 04:25:08,319
motion that I'd like tonight by roll

6238
04:25:08,319 --> 04:25:11,760
call as well. Um I need to post the

6239
04:25:11,760 --> 04:25:14,159
warrant. Uh if you designate me to do

6240
04:25:14,159 --> 04:25:16,080
that, I will arrange and facilitate to

6241
04:25:16,080 --> 04:25:18,720
post the warrant based on the state

6242
04:25:18,720 --> 04:25:22,080
prepared ballot.

6243
04:25:22,080 --> 04:25:23,840
>> Now I entertain a motion. I make a

6244
04:25:23,840 --> 04:25:26,159
motion to designate the town clerk to

6245
04:25:26,159 --> 04:25:28,640
prepare and facilitate the posting of

6246
04:25:28,640 --> 04:25:32,080
the warrant for November 3rd, 2026 state

6247
04:25:32,080 --> 04:25:34,239
election based on the state prepared

6248
04:25:34,239 --> 04:25:35,680
ballot.

6249
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:36,880
>> Do I have a second?

6250
04:25:36,880 --> 04:25:38,080
>> Second.

6251
04:25:38,080 --> 04:25:40,720
>> Okay, I'll take another roll call vote.

6252
04:25:40,720 --> 04:25:41,840
Member Bernard,

6253
04:25:41,840 --> 04:25:42,479
>> yes.

6254
04:25:42,479 --> 04:25:43,359
>> Member Bennett,

6255
04:25:43,359 --> 04:25:43,840
>> yes.

6256
04:25:43,840 --> 04:25:44,720
>> Member Bean,

6257
04:25:44,720 --> 04:25:45,199
>> yes.

6258
04:25:45,199 --> 04:25:46,159
>> Member Tra,

6259
04:25:46,159 --> 04:25:46,720
>> yes.

6260
04:25:46,720 --> 04:25:47,840
>> And I'm Yes.

6261
04:25:47,840 --> 04:25:49,920
>> Thank you. Uh, and I don't know if

6262
04:25:49,920 --> 04:25:51,120
anybody I know it's getting kind of

6263
04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:53,199
late. If anybody has any questions about

6264
04:25:53,199 --> 04:25:54,880
the election, I'm happy to answer.

6265
04:25:54,880 --> 04:25:58,950
>> Questions, comments,

6266
04:25:58,960 --> 04:26:00,560
» and I do have

6267
04:26:00,560 --> 04:26:03,600
>> I do have um registar Wally Typer has

6268
04:26:03,600 --> 04:26:05,760
sat here all night just to listen to the

6269
04:26:05,760 --> 04:26:07,600
election piece.

6270
04:26:07,600 --> 04:26:09,040
>> Member Bean,

6271
04:26:09,040 --> 04:26:10,640
>> I think Wally should get up and tell us

6272
04:26:10,640 --> 04:26:13,014
about the election rules.

6273
04:26:13,014 --> 04:26:14,800
[laughter]

6274
04:26:14,800 --> 04:26:16,159
>> Member to ask.

6275
04:26:16,159 --> 04:26:17,040
>> Don't rush.

6276
04:26:17,040 --> 04:26:19,760
>> Okay. Just keep running good elections.

6277
04:26:19,760 --> 04:26:20,399
>> Thank you.

6278
04:26:20,399 --> 04:26:23,359
I appreciate that. Are we

6279
04:26:23,359 --> 04:26:23,920
ready?

6280
04:26:23,920 --> 04:26:25,359
>> Yes.

6281
04:26:25,359 --> 04:26:26,800
>> Um,

6282
04:26:26,800 --> 04:26:29,120
>> next item on the agenda,

6283
04:26:29,120 --> 04:26:30,800
>> the town manager will report to the

6284
04:26:30,800 --> 04:26:33,760
board on various items of interest.

6285
04:26:33,760 --> 04:26:35,760
>> Well, thank you. Um, I want to start by

6286
04:26:35,760 --> 04:26:37,680
thanking Lieutenant Sullivan and all the

6287
04:26:37,680 --> 04:26:40,640
members of the DTAC uh committee. they

6288
04:26:40,640 --> 04:26:44,800
work very hard and um I as we look into

6289
04:26:44,800 --> 04:26:46,560
parking enforcement and parking how we

6290
04:26:46,560 --> 04:26:48,319
handle parking in general in the

6291
04:26:48,319 --> 04:26:50,239
community also I think it is that it's

6292
04:26:50,239 --> 04:26:51,520
important for us to take some time to

6293
04:26:51,520 --> 04:26:53,680
think about um how we handle the the

6294
04:26:53,680 --> 04:26:56,080
transportation advisory committee um how

6295
04:26:56,080 --> 04:26:57,520
much staff time goes into each one of

6296
04:26:57,520 --> 04:26:59,680
these issues so we will happily engage

6297
04:26:59,680 --> 04:27:01,520
in that conversation with you and thank

6298
04:27:01,520 --> 04:27:03,600
you Lieutenant Sullivan and and the team

6299
04:27:03,600 --> 04:27:07,199
at DTAC um okay so I will try to go

6300
04:27:07,199 --> 04:27:09,760
quickly so I'll start with a power

6301
04:27:09,760 --> 04:27:13,279
supply rate. On September 25th, 2026,

6302
04:27:13,279 --> 04:27:14,880
the municipal light board discussed the

6303
04:27:14,880 --> 04:27:16,800
electric rates regarding the purchase

6304
04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:19,680
power and fuel adjustment charge. The

6305
04:27:19,680 --> 04:27:22,080
PPFA, as they call it, will require a

6306
04:27:22,080 --> 04:27:25,600
rate increase of 0.016 per kilowatt hour

6307
04:27:25,600 --> 04:27:28,560
effective October 6, that's today. The

6308
04:27:28,560 --> 04:27:30,399
average residential electric bill based

6309
04:27:30,399 --> 04:27:33,840
on average usage of 750 kW per month,

6310
04:27:33,840 --> 04:27:37,040
will increase by approximately 9.8% 8%

6311
04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:39,040
which equates to a monthly cost increase

6312
04:27:39,040 --> 04:27:42,800
of approximately $11.95.

6313
04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:47,680
Uh we have a lot to be grateful for also

6314
04:27:47,680 --> 04:27:50,080
this week. So uh cultural council

6315
04:27:50,080 --> 04:27:52,080
appointments. I want to big shout out to

6316
04:27:52,080 --> 04:27:54,080
Phil Bulldock. He's been doing a ton of

6317
04:27:54,080 --> 04:27:55,439
work to recruit for the cultural

6318
04:27:55,439 --> 04:27:57,680
council. If you're not familiar with um

6319
04:27:57,680 --> 04:27:59,520
our local cultural council, they bring

6320
04:27:59,520 --> 04:28:02,159
in uh state grant funding and that then

6321
04:28:02,159 --> 04:28:05,120
goes out to um small nonprofits or

6322
04:28:05,120 --> 04:28:06,800
individuals who are bringing cultural

6323
04:28:06,800 --> 04:28:08,880
activities into the community. He needed

6324
04:28:08,880 --> 04:28:11,520
additional appointees. So, I recently

6325
04:28:11,520 --> 04:28:13,680
met with and appointed um and I

6326
04:28:13,680 --> 04:28:15,840
apologize if I mess up people's names,

6327
04:28:15,840 --> 04:28:20,880
Steve Griezdorf, Liz Bernazani, did I

6328
04:28:20,880 --> 04:28:22,720
get that one right? [snorts] And Lucy

6329
04:28:22,720 --> 04:28:25,040
Desmond. Um, so all of those meetings, I

6330
04:28:25,040 --> 04:28:26,800
meet these people obviously before um I

6331
04:28:26,800 --> 04:28:28,560
appoint them. There's a lot of great

6332
04:28:28,560 --> 04:28:30,880
energy around that and I think that um

6333
04:28:30,880 --> 04:28:32,159
if you're not involved with the local

6334
04:28:32,159 --> 04:28:34,080
cultural council, check it out because I

6335
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:35,120
think it's getting some great new

6336
04:28:35,120 --> 04:28:39,040
energy. Um I want to congratulate uh

6337
04:28:39,040 --> 04:28:41,760
Rodney Connley and his team in finance.

6338
04:28:41,760 --> 04:28:43,520
The town has been awarded the Government

6339
04:28:43,520 --> 04:28:46,560
Finance Officers Association's

6340
04:28:46,560 --> 04:28:48,640
Distinguished Budget Presentation Award

6341
04:28:48,640 --> 04:28:50,880
for the sixth consecutive year. The

6342
04:28:50,880 --> 04:28:52,560
award signifies the town's continued

6343
04:28:52,560 --> 04:28:54,080
commitment to having our budget serve as

6344
04:28:54,080 --> 04:28:56,159
a policy document, financial plan, and a

6345
04:28:56,159 --> 04:28:58,399
communications device. So, congrats to

6346
04:28:58,399 --> 04:29:01,359
the to the budget team.

6347
04:29:01,359 --> 04:29:05,760
Um, we have uh recently been notified of

6348
04:29:05,760 --> 04:29:09,199
three grant awards, which um I'm pleased

6349
04:29:09,199 --> 04:29:11,600
to announce. One, thank you to the

6350
04:29:11,600 --> 04:29:13,359
police and your team. We have been

6351
04:29:13,359 --> 04:29:17,439
awarded a road safety grant of $38,400.

6352
04:29:17,439 --> 04:29:19,439
Um, I won't go into the details of what

6353
04:29:19,439 --> 04:29:21,120
each of those, but it's road safety and

6354
04:29:21,120 --> 04:29:23,680
everything we talked about here tonight.

6355
04:29:23,680 --> 04:29:26,159
Um, we have received a Seapport Economic

6356
04:29:26,159 --> 04:29:29,920
Council grant for $749,440

6357
04:29:29,920 --> 04:29:33,040
for the um, sampling and permitting and

6358
04:29:33,040 --> 04:29:35,600
um, continued kind of prep work for what

6359
04:29:35,600 --> 04:29:38,960
may ultimately be a dredging project. Um

6360
04:29:38,960 --> 04:29:43,040
and we also received um a community

6361
04:29:43,040 --> 04:29:46,000
planning grant for $25,000 for the next

6362
04:29:46,000 --> 04:29:48,880
stage next phase of the endocott street

6363
04:29:48,880 --> 04:29:52,000
visioning um project that's going on. So

6364
04:29:52,000 --> 04:29:55,199
lots of lots of good things going on um

6365
04:29:55,199 --> 04:29:56,880
with the support of our partners at the

6366
04:29:56,880 --> 04:29:59,600
state. I want to reference just to

6367
04:29:59,600 --> 04:30:00,960
highlight for the board and for the

6368
04:30:00,960 --> 04:30:02,560
public that the October permitting

6369
04:30:02,560 --> 04:30:04,159
update is out. You can find it on the

6370
04:30:04,159 --> 04:30:05,680
website on the planning page and I

6371
04:30:05,680 --> 04:30:08,239
always share it with the board um that

6372
04:30:08,239 --> 04:30:10,159
gives you updates on what's happening at

6373
04:30:10,159 --> 04:30:12,479
uh the land use boards

6374
04:30:12,479 --> 04:30:15,760
and uh some great events that are coming

6375
04:30:15,760 --> 04:30:19,600
up. Uh on Thursday, the Danvers Fire

6376
04:30:19,600 --> 04:30:22,319
Department has their open house. Um

6377
04:30:22,319 --> 04:30:24,159
that's what I referred to earlier. They

6378
04:30:24,159 --> 04:30:26,319
hope to have those shirts back in for

6379
04:30:26,319 --> 04:30:29,920
sale. Um pizza, kids are welcome. Um

6380
04:30:29,920 --> 04:30:31,520
they do the smoke trailer and things

6381
04:30:31,520 --> 04:30:32,800
like that. So, it's a great event. If

6382
04:30:32,800 --> 04:30:35,040
you haven't been, please visit the

6383
04:30:35,040 --> 04:30:38,399
Danvers Fire Department. Um, the police

6384
04:30:38,399 --> 04:30:42,000
department is uh also has a ton going on

6385
04:30:42,000 --> 04:30:44,080
this week. So, October 7th is coffee

6386
04:30:44,080 --> 04:30:47,439
with a cop from 3 to 7 at the Target at

6387
04:30:47,439 --> 04:30:51,120
Liberty Tree Mall. Um October 11th at

6388
04:30:51,120 --> 04:30:53,840
10:50 10:15 officers will be present at

6389
04:30:53,840 --> 04:30:55,520
St. Mary's for their morning mass

6390
04:30:55,520 --> 04:30:57,680
followed by a coffee hour as part of

6391
04:30:57,680 --> 04:30:59,680
their Faith and Blue weekend. The Faith

6392
04:30:59,680 --> 04:31:00,880
and Blue initiative promotes

6393
04:31:00,880 --> 04:31:02,640
partnerships between faith communities

6394
04:31:02,640 --> 04:31:04,640
and law enforcement.

6395
04:31:04,640 --> 04:31:09,359
And October 22nd uh at 4:00, the police

6396
04:31:09,359 --> 04:31:11,199
have pumpkin painting with the police at

6397
04:31:11,199 --> 04:31:14,000
the police station. Um so just Oh, and I

6398
04:31:14,000 --> 04:31:15,920
want to thank Public Power, Danver's

6399
04:31:15,920 --> 04:31:18,399
Electric, they just had their open house

6400
04:31:18,399 --> 04:31:20,560
um to kick off public power week last

6401
04:31:20,560 --> 04:31:22,880
week. Um also an incredible turnout.

6402
04:31:22,880 --> 04:31:25,040
They think it was a a record turnout

6403
04:31:25,040 --> 04:31:27,520
actually. in um when I went down to

6404
04:31:27,520 --> 04:31:28,880
visit there, it basically was a parade

6405
04:31:28,880 --> 04:31:30,800
of children behind me trying cuz they

6406
04:31:30,800 --> 04:31:32,239
all wanted to get down cuz they could

6407
04:31:32,239 --> 04:31:34,159
see the bucket truck going up and down.

6408
04:31:34,159 --> 04:31:36,560
Um so just really exemplifies how

6409
04:31:36,560 --> 04:31:38,800
accessible the team here in Danver is

6410
04:31:38,800 --> 04:31:40,239
and I hope that all the residents take

6411
04:31:40,239 --> 04:31:45,279
advantage to get to know um the people that work with you and for

6412
04:31:45,279 --> 04:31:49,439
you in this town. And lastly, I have um

6413
04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:51,279
started my precinct meetings. Two weeks

6414
04:31:51,279 --> 04:31:54,239
ago, we did precincts seven and 8, and

6415
04:31:54,239 --> 04:31:55,840
last week we did precincts three and

6416
04:31:55,840 --> 04:31:58,319
five. The attendance has been great. Um,

6417
04:31:58,319 --> 04:32:00,399
we're getting at least half of the town

6418
04:32:00,399 --> 04:32:01,520
meeting members from each of those

6419
04:32:01,520 --> 04:32:03,600
precincts. I'd love to see more. I see

6420
04:32:03,600 --> 04:32:05,520
some of them who are here in the

6421
04:32:05,520 --> 04:32:07,760
audience. Um,

6422
04:32:07,760 --> 04:32:09,840
so I invite you this week, I'm going to

6423
04:32:09,840 --> 04:32:11,359
get it wrong. This week we're at Smith

6424
04:32:11,359 --> 04:32:15,840
School um from 6:30 to 8. Uh, there it's

6425
04:32:15,840 --> 04:32:17,120
a great opportunity for town meeting

6426
04:32:17,120 --> 04:32:19,120
members to come. We do a mapping

6427
04:32:19,120 --> 04:32:20,479
exercise where you can really talk to us

6428
04:32:20,479 --> 04:32:22,080
about your neighborhood, have these

6429
04:32:22,080 --> 04:32:24,080
conversations about streets and and

6430
04:32:24,080 --> 04:32:27,040
safety um and things like that as well

6431
04:32:27,040 --> 04:32:30,479
as um provide a lot of tools to town

6432
04:32:30,479 --> 04:32:32,560
meeting members to help them be prepared

6433
04:32:32,560 --> 04:32:34,880
leading into special town meeting um in

6434
04:32:34,880 --> 04:32:37,600
February. So, please join us the this

6435
04:32:37,600 --> 04:32:39,199
Thursday at Smith School and then the

6436
04:32:39,199 --> 04:32:41,120
following Thursday and we'll be done.

6437
04:32:41,120 --> 04:32:43,120
>> Which precincts is that this week? It's

6438
04:32:43,120 --> 04:32:44,479
four. I know it's four.

6439
04:32:44,479 --> 04:32:46,880
>> Four and six.

6440
04:32:46,880 --> 04:32:48,479
Like if we did three and five. Yes, that

6441
04:32:48,479 --> 04:32:50,000
leaves one and two for the last one.

6442
04:32:50,000 --> 04:32:51,120
>> Okay, [laughter]

6443
04:32:51,120 --> 04:32:53,680
>> thank you. Uh any questions for the town

6444
04:32:53,680 --> 04:32:55,040
manager?

6445
04:32:55,040 --> 04:32:56,560
>> I had a question. What was how much was

6446
04:32:56,560 --> 04:32:59,439
that community planning granted and

6447
04:32:59,439 --> 04:33:00,239
vision?

6448
04:33:00,239 --> 04:33:01,600
>> 25,000.

6449
04:33:01,600 --> 04:33:04,400
>> Right. Thank you. That's it.

6450
04:33:04,400 --> 04:33:05,840
>> Member Betty.

6451
04:33:05,840 --> 04:33:06,879
>> No, I'm good.

6452
04:33:06,879 --> 04:33:07,760
>> Member Bean,

6453
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:09,359
>> a quick question. Did you say there was

6454
04:33:09,359 --> 04:33:12,959
a $750,000 grant for the river

6455
04:33:12,959 --> 04:33:15,359
>> for Yes. Seore economic council? It's

6456
04:33:15,359 --> 04:33:19,359
the um the um soil sampling and

6457
04:33:19,359 --> 04:33:22,080
continuing to move through permitting

6458
04:33:22,080 --> 04:33:24,000
if we move towards dredging of the grant

6459
04:33:24,000 --> 04:33:26,879
which is a larger financial discussion.

6460
04:33:26,879 --> 04:33:27,920
>> Wow. Thank you.

6461
04:33:27,920 --> 04:33:28,639
>> Mhm.

6462
04:33:28,639 --> 04:33:29,680
>> Member Task.

6463
04:33:29,680 --> 04:33:31,359
>> No questions for the time manager.

6464
04:33:31,359 --> 04:33:31,680
>> Perfect.

6465
04:33:31,680 --> 04:33:32,160
>> Thank you.

6466
04:33:32,160 --> 04:33:33,119
very much.

6467
04:33:33,119 --> 04:33:34,561
>> Thank you.

6468
04:33:34,561 --> 04:33:36,799
>> Madam Clerk,

6469
04:33:36,799 --> 04:33:38,639
>> the board will consider consent calendar

6470
04:33:38,639 --> 04:33:40,240
items as they appear below.

6471
04:33:40,240 --> 04:33:43,920
>> Motion to approve. Second. Any

6472
04:33:43,920 --> 04:33:47,039
discussions? All those in favor say I.

6473
04:33:47,039 --> 04:33:48,240
>> I.

6474
04:33:48,240 --> 04:33:49,840
>> Thank you.

6475
04:33:49,840 --> 04:33:51,520
>> Correspondents, select board new

6476
04:33:51,520 --> 04:33:53,680
business, previous new public business

6477
04:33:53,680 --> 04:33:55,439
updates, and select board closing

6478
04:33:55,439 --> 04:33:56,400
comments.

6479
04:33:56,400 --> 04:33:58,639
>> Okay. Uh, member Bennett, and I'll come

6480
04:33:58,639 --> 04:34:00,000
back to you at the end there.

6481
04:34:00,000 --> 04:34:02,240
>> Um, I have nothing to offer this

6482
04:34:02,240 --> 04:34:03,680
evening.

6483
04:34:03,680 --> 04:34:06,561
>> Thank you, Member Bernard.

6484
04:34:06,561 --> 04:34:09,680
>> Um, no, it was a great meeting. Um,

6485
04:34:09,680 --> 04:34:11,600
we're down to a lot of business again, I

6486
04:34:11,600 --> 04:34:13,920
think. Um, you know, uh, your wife

6487
04:34:13,920 --> 04:34:15,760
getting up was unbelievable. You're a

6488
04:34:15,760 --> 04:34:17,520
good husband, too. You know, she's lucky

6489
04:34:17,520 --> 04:34:19,920
to have you. Good team. Um,

6490
04:34:19,920 --> 04:34:20,879
>> I heard that.

6491
04:34:20,879 --> 04:34:23,039
>> Yeah. [laughter] Um, she told me to say

6492
04:34:23,039 --> 04:34:25,600
that. No, I'm kidding. Um, I just want

6493
04:34:25,600 --> 04:34:27,439
to make people aware about, um, they've

6494
04:34:27,439 --> 04:34:29,039
probably heard on the news about the d

6495
04:34:29,039 --> 04:34:30,561
the governor declared the state of

6496
04:34:30,561 --> 04:34:33,119
energy emergency, the executive order.

6497
04:34:33,119 --> 04:34:35,439
So, there's I don't want to say um,

6498
04:34:35,439 --> 04:34:39,680
reach out to uh, you know, www.mmass.gov

6499
04:34:39,680 --> 04:34:42,320
gov to try to find if there's some money

6500
04:34:42,320 --> 04:34:44,561
available for heat and electric bills,

6501
04:34:44,561 --> 04:34:46,959
too. And maybe we could have Clint come

6502
04:34:46,959 --> 04:34:49,920
in sometime and talk about, you know, um

6503
04:34:49,920 --> 04:34:52,400
why the increase with the electric and

6504
04:34:52,400 --> 04:34:55,199
how can people save and um because there

6505
04:34:55,199 --> 04:34:58,400
was something on there about um lowering

6506
04:34:58,400 --> 04:34:59,920
their heat and electric bills this

6507
04:34:59,920 --> 04:35:02,240
winter. You know, as everybody know, um

6508
04:35:02,240 --> 04:35:03,520
I mean, you go to the gas station,

6509
04:35:03,520 --> 04:35:05,199
right? people are seeing the the impact

6510
04:35:05,199 --> 04:35:07,199
of the war in Iran every time they fill

6511
04:35:07,199 --> 04:35:10,719
up with their gas taking place. Um you

6512
04:35:10,719 --> 04:35:12,639
know for the heat and oil and when you

6513
04:35:12,639 --> 04:35:14,561
open up your electric bill as she just

6514
04:35:14,561 --> 04:35:16,240
said it's go everything seems to be

6515
04:35:16,240 --> 04:35:19,119
going up too. So every family deserves a

6516
04:35:19,119 --> 04:35:21,920
warm safe home. There's Citizens Energy

6517
04:35:21,920 --> 04:35:25,600
with Joe Kennedy. Um you know right now

6518
04:35:25,600 --> 04:35:28,240
the statistics are saying 608 a gallon

6519
04:35:28,240 --> 04:35:31,680
heat and oil versus $3.52 last year.

6520
04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:36,320
That's a 73% increase. Um so and then 60

6521
04:35:36,320 --> 04:35:38,160
there's all kinds of formulas. What it's

6522
04:35:38,160 --> 04:35:39,680
trying to do from what I [cough]

6523
04:35:39,680 --> 04:35:41,520
understand I just heard it late at night

6524
04:35:41,520 --> 04:35:44,000
too is that um they're trying to help

6525
04:35:44,000 --> 04:35:45,920
the middle class more now too where

6526
04:35:45,920 --> 04:35:48,480
before it was more low income people but

6527
04:35:48,480 --> 04:35:50,959
now it's um naturally it goes by income

6528
04:35:50,959 --> 04:35:52,240
guidelines things like that.

6529
04:35:52,240 --> 04:35:52,959
>> A question on that.

6530
04:35:52,959 --> 04:35:53,199
>> Yeah,

6531
04:35:53,199 --> 04:35:55,119
>> that sounds great. But is it just for

6532
04:35:55,119 --> 04:35:56,000
oil heat?

6533
04:35:56,000 --> 04:35:59,119
>> Oil and heat. So what I'm I'm sorry oil.

6534
04:35:59,119 --> 04:36:00,959
It says oil and electric bills,

6535
04:36:00,959 --> 04:36:04,561
>> right? Oil is about 24% of the people

6536
04:36:04,561 --> 04:36:06,959
use it. 50 odd% use gas.

6537
04:36:06,959 --> 04:36:07,680
>> Yeah, I know. But

6538
04:36:07,680 --> 04:36:08,959
>> anything for gas people?

6539
04:36:08,959 --> 04:36:10,240
>> I It didn't say gas.

6540
04:36:10,240 --> 04:36:12,320
>> No, and then there said the the smart

6541
04:36:12,320 --> 04:36:14,480
program on residential. Um she's trying

6542
04:36:14,480 --> 04:36:17,119
to eliminate that smart program uh with

6543
04:36:17,119 --> 04:36:19,199
the electric bills for three months. Um

6544
04:36:19,199 --> 04:36:25,680
so that's something um you know just look at go to mass.govheating

6545
04:36:25,680 --> 04:36:27,279
help you know for people for the

6546
04:36:27,279 --> 04:36:29,039
residents out there. any anything we can

6547
04:36:29,039 --> 04:36:32,959
do and you know I worry I work in Lynn I

6548
04:36:32,959 --> 04:36:35,199
see a lot of you know families you know

6549
04:36:35,199 --> 04:36:37,600
it's going to be mittens and gloves and

6550
04:36:37,600 --> 04:36:40,959
coat drives food pantry Kowanas does a

6551
04:36:40,959 --> 04:36:43,600
lot too um so anything we can do as a

6552
04:36:43,600 --> 04:36:46,000
community to help you know our residents

6553
04:36:46,000 --> 04:36:47,920
here too and the surrounding communities

6554
04:36:47,920 --> 04:36:49,840
but that's it thank you

6555
04:36:49,840 --> 04:36:53,199
>> thank you very much member Bean

6556
04:36:53,199 --> 04:36:56,230
>> um I can't Moren used up all my minutes

6557
04:36:56,230 --> 04:36:56,799
[laughter]

6558
04:36:56,799 --> 04:36:58,320
>> sorry Wait, let me get the timer.

6559
04:36:58,320 --> 04:36:58,959
>> I got a second.

6560
04:36:58,959 --> 04:37:00,561
>> Let me start the timer.

6561
04:37:00,561 --> 04:37:02,320
>> Uh, no. I actually do not have anything

6562
04:37:02,320 --> 04:37:02,959
to say about that.

6563
04:37:02,959 --> 04:37:04,799
>> Thank you. Member T.

6564
04:37:04,799 --> 04:37:07,279
>> Uh, we I got the same correspondence

6565
04:37:07,279 --> 04:37:10,639
everybody did, I'm sure. Um, um, but I,

6566
04:37:10,639 --> 04:37:13,920
uh, as a member as the liaison to the,

6567
04:37:13,920 --> 04:37:15,920
um, [clears throat] accessibility

6568
04:37:15,920 --> 04:37:18,240
commission. Uh, I want to remind people

6569
04:37:18,240 --> 04:37:20,400
that I don't know if it's before our

6570
04:37:20,400 --> 04:37:22,080
next meeting or not, but the human

6571
04:37:22,080 --> 04:37:23,760
library event is going to be happening

6572
04:37:23,760 --> 04:37:25,760
on Saturday, October 17th from 10:00

6573
04:37:25,760 --> 04:37:28,160
a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Um, this is an

6574
04:37:28,160 --> 04:37:32,160
opportunity to meet with um live books,

6575
04:37:32,160 --> 04:37:34,879
live people who are uh are there to

6576
04:37:34,879 --> 04:37:37,439
discuss various topics that you may have

6577
04:37:37,439 --> 04:37:38,719
interest in understanding, better

6578
04:37:38,719 --> 04:37:41,359
understanding their life experience. So,

6579
04:37:41,359 --> 04:37:43,279
I encourage you to look for the flyers,

6580
04:37:43,279 --> 04:37:45,520
look for the poster boards, look for the

6581
04:37:45,520 --> 04:37:47,359
um I know there's a Facebook events

6582
04:37:47,359 --> 04:37:50,080
being posted about this uh and look to

6583
04:37:50,080 --> 04:37:52,879
DECAT as well uh for more information.

6584
04:37:52,879 --> 04:37:55,199
Um and I'm just I can't remember whether

6585
04:37:55,199 --> 04:37:56,639
it's before or after our next meeting.

6586
04:37:56,639 --> 04:37:57,760
So, I don't want to miss the course. I'm

6587
04:37:57,760 --> 04:37:58,080
glad

6588
04:37:58,080 --> 04:38:01,600
>> before. Okay. So, um it's a free event.

6589
04:38:01,600 --> 04:38:04,160
uh people are uh welcome to go and uh

6590
04:38:04,160 --> 04:38:05,840
there'll be a number of people talking

6591
04:38:05,840 --> 04:38:08,480
about their life experiences to help for

6592
04:38:08,480 --> 04:38:11,840
a for better understanding. Um so we

6593
04:38:11,840 --> 04:38:14,400
welcome that. I did attend also uh the

6594
04:38:14,400 --> 04:38:15,840
recent river committee. It was very

6595
04:38:15,840 --> 04:38:18,480
interesting to get back on after so many

6596
04:38:18,480 --> 04:38:22,160
years um and enjoyed it immensely. And

6597
04:38:22,160 --> 04:38:23,760
um I think that's all I have to report

6598
04:38:23,760 --> 04:38:26,480
from uh from that end. Thank you. Uh I

6599
04:38:26,480 --> 04:38:27,760
do I'm sorry. I do have one other

6600
04:38:27,760 --> 04:38:30,799
comment and I don't want to leave it to

6601
04:38:30,799 --> 04:38:34,799
uh to Mr. Bennett to defend himself uh

6602
04:38:34,799 --> 04:38:37,199
necessarily, but earlier there was a

6603
04:38:37,199 --> 04:38:38,799
statement made by a member of the public

6604
04:38:38,799 --> 04:38:41,199
that alluded to the fact that he may

6605
04:38:41,199 --> 04:38:42,959
have been speaking as a select board

6606
04:38:42,959 --> 04:38:45,279
member or offering a position to the

6607
04:38:45,279 --> 04:38:48,240
board. He was not. I saw the show. He

6608
04:38:48,240 --> 04:38:51,119
specifically and intently told us all

6609
04:38:51,119 --> 04:38:54,240
that he was speaking as a citizen. So if

6610
04:38:54,240 --> 04:38:57,840
there was any illusion to that, I wish

6611
04:38:57,840 --> 04:39:00,160
it uh I want it to be dispelled. I

6612
04:39:00,160 --> 04:39:01,920
understand new business, we take new

6613
04:39:01,920 --> 04:39:04,000
business and not necessarily respond.

6614
04:39:04,000 --> 04:39:06,000
I'm not responding to that person. That

6615
04:39:06,000 --> 04:39:08,240
person's no longer here in the room, but

6616
04:39:08,240 --> 04:39:11,680
I want the clarity to be there and not

6617
04:39:11,680 --> 04:39:13,119
wait for the next two weeks.

6618
04:39:13,119 --> 04:39:16,080
>> Okay. Thank you. And and just a quick

6619
04:39:16,080 --> 04:39:18,959
point on that. I I mean

6620
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:21,279
I don't the reason why I didn't want to

6621
04:39:21,279 --> 04:39:22,959
proceed number one because it was new

6622
04:39:22,959 --> 04:39:25,600
business but number two because the

6623
04:39:25,600 --> 04:39:29,199
video spoke for itself. Um people can

6624
04:39:29,199 --> 04:39:31,279
make it what they may. Anyone can watch

6625
04:39:31,279 --> 04:39:34,320
it. It was very clear what he said, how

6626
04:39:34,320 --> 04:39:37,199
he said it, what he the intent was.

6627
04:39:37,199 --> 04:39:38,400
People will have their own

6628
04:39:38,400 --> 04:39:40,718
interpretation and you could say he

6629
04:39:40,718 --> 04:39:42,480
wasn't he was I don't think it would

6630
04:39:42,480 --> 04:39:44,480
change some people's mind. So there was

6631
04:39:44,480 --> 04:39:46,878
no need to engage in public business

6632
04:39:46,878 --> 04:39:49,440
about that given the fact that the video

6633
04:39:49,440 --> 04:39:52,320
is there for everyone to see and clearly

6634
04:39:52,320 --> 04:39:54,958
understand what he said. So the video

6635
04:39:54,958 --> 04:40:00,000
spoke for itself. Thank you. Um now as

6636
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:03,600
far as the so that was the the next

6637
04:40:03,600 --> 04:40:06,958
meeting do we I know there were couple

6638
04:40:06,958 --> 04:40:09,360
of select board members that were not

6639
04:40:09,360 --> 04:40:11,360
going to be

6640
04:40:11,360 --> 04:40:13,600
>> had some scheduling conflict. Yeah,

6641
04:40:13,600 --> 04:40:15,280
there is a scheduling conflict because

6642
04:40:15,280 --> 04:40:16,638
there's an annual meeting for the real

6643
04:40:16,638 --> 04:40:18,320
estate board. It's always been a

6644
04:40:18,320 --> 04:40:20,320
Thursday. This year they picked a

6645
04:40:20,320 --> 04:40:24,878
Tuesday. Um both uh fellow select board

6646
04:40:24,878 --> 04:40:28,718
me myself have been invited. I told them

6647
04:40:28,718 --> 04:40:30,560
I can't go because of select board

6648
04:40:30,560 --> 04:40:33,120
meeting. However, if you could change it

6649
04:40:33,120 --> 04:40:36,000
to Thursday,

6650
04:40:36,000 --> 04:40:38,718
then we could attend. But Moren, that's

6651
04:40:38,718 --> 04:40:40,638
up to her if she wants to. I mean that

6652
04:40:40,638 --> 04:40:42,798
would be good to either you know I mean

6653
04:40:42,798 --> 04:40:45,040
we've gone in the past you know

6654
04:40:45,040 --> 04:40:47,760
naturally this is our priority but if we

6655
04:40:47,760 --> 04:40:50,400
could move it that would help us.

6656
04:40:50,400 --> 04:40:50,878
>> Yeah.

6657
04:40:50,878 --> 04:40:51,680
>> You know

6658
04:40:51,680 --> 04:40:54,160
>> so will I have no problem with attending

6659
04:40:54,160 --> 04:40:55,760
the 22nd. It's the night of the

6660
04:40:55,760 --> 04:40:57,680
accessibility commission meeting but I'm

6661
04:40:57,680 --> 04:41:00,958
sure they'll understand.

6662
04:41:00,958 --> 04:41:03,600
>> Yeah. I mean either on Monday the 19th

6663
04:41:03,600 --> 04:41:05,600
>> Oh Monday the 19th is free for me. the

6664
04:41:05,600 --> 04:41:08,638
19th might even be better D if if that's

6665
04:41:08,638 --> 04:41:09,840
better with everybody.

6666
04:41:09,840 --> 04:41:10,718
>> Whatever you like.

6667
04:41:10,718 --> 04:41:11,280
>> Yeah.

6668
04:41:11,280 --> 04:41:14,470
>> Right.

6669
04:41:14,480 --> 04:41:17,840
» But my only thought was um

6670
04:41:17,840 --> 04:41:21,200
two things. Number one was I know staff

6671
04:41:21,200 --> 04:41:24,080
usually have to obviously the town

6672
04:41:24,080 --> 04:41:26,878
manager or staff will do Tuesday or

6673
04:41:26,878 --> 04:41:30,000
Thursdays for most of our meetings. So

6674
04:41:30,000 --> 04:41:32,080
that's why I was thinking more of a

6675
04:41:32,080 --> 04:41:34,560
Tuesday or Thursday because we already

6676
04:41:34,560 --> 04:41:36,560
changing the meeting for the elections

6677
04:41:36,560 --> 04:41:38,798
from Tuesday. Most of the time when we

6678
04:41:38,798 --> 04:41:40,320
can't meet on Tuesday, we meet on

6679
04:41:40,320 --> 04:41:41,600
Thursday.

6680
04:41:41,600 --> 04:41:44,000
>> So I felt that adding a different day

6681
04:41:44,000 --> 04:41:46,160
like a Monday will just to throw

6682
04:41:46,160 --> 04:41:48,320
everybody off. So we want to be Yeah.

6683
04:41:48,320 --> 04:41:49,760
very confusing for the

6684
04:41:49,760 --> 04:41:51,840
>> only thing is on that Thursday I could

6685
04:41:51,840 --> 04:41:53,120
be late. Just so you know, a little

6686
04:41:53,120 --> 04:41:53,600
late.

6687
04:41:53,600 --> 04:41:54,240
>> That's fine.

6688
04:41:54,240 --> 04:41:55,760
>> Okay. But

6689
04:41:55,760 --> 04:41:58,080
>> now if how late

6690
04:41:58,080 --> 04:41:59,360
>> I mean an hour.

6691
04:41:59,360 --> 04:42:01,040
>> Okay. I think that's fine. Yeah,

6692
04:42:01,040 --> 04:42:01,680
>> we can

6693
04:42:01,680 --> 04:42:02,798
>> I don't know what's on the agenda.

6694
04:42:02,798 --> 04:42:03,430
Hopefully it's not as long

6695
04:42:03,430 --> 04:42:04,400
[clears throat] as this one.

6696
04:42:04,400 --> 04:42:07,120
>> Uh it will not uh it will not. But I

6697
04:42:07,120 --> 04:42:09,440
think I think having it Thursday the

6698
04:42:09,440 --> 04:42:12,080
22nd will make more sense so we stay

6699
04:42:12,080 --> 04:42:13,840
consistent with

6700
04:42:13,840 --> 04:42:16,480
>> p and

6701
04:42:16,480 --> 04:42:18,798
um usually we meet Tuesday on Thursday.

6702
04:42:18,798 --> 04:42:21,120
So Thursday the 22nd on the notes

6703
04:42:21,120 --> 04:42:25,510
>> with the 6:30 start.

6704
04:42:25,520 --> 04:42:26,560
I would say so.

6705
04:42:26,560 --> 04:42:27,200
>> Yes, sure.

6706
04:42:27,200 --> 04:42:27,520
>> Okay.

6707
04:42:27,520 --> 04:42:29,360
>> I mean, you know, I've always been a 700

6708
04:42:29,360 --> 04:42:31,680
p.m. person, but

6709
04:42:31,680 --> 04:42:33,840
>> we will have um just so we know, we have

6710
04:42:33,840 --> 04:42:35,440
early voting in this room, which won't

6711
04:42:35,440 --> 04:42:36,638
be a problem. I don't believe there's

6712
04:42:36,638 --> 04:42:39,040
any other meetings going on.

6713
04:42:39,040 --> 04:42:39,520
>> Okay.

6714
04:42:39,520 --> 04:42:40,958
>> But there might be just booths in the

6715
04:42:40,958 --> 04:42:41,920
back of the room.

6716
04:42:41,920 --> 04:42:42,560
>> That's fine. So,

6717
04:42:42,560 --> 04:42:43,680
>> miscellaneous items.

6718
04:42:43,680 --> 04:42:47,200
>> So, Thursday, uh the 22nd at 6:30.

6719
04:42:47,200 --> 04:42:47,680
>> Yep.

6720
04:42:47,680 --> 04:42:49,440
>> Instead of the 20th.

6721
04:42:49,440 --> 04:42:51,280
>> Okay. Thank you.

6722
04:42:51,280 --> 04:42:53,520
>> Perfect. And then Thursday, November

6723
04:42:53,520 --> 04:42:56,160
5th. So that kind of stay consistent

6724
04:42:56,160 --> 04:42:56,560
because

6725
04:42:56,560 --> 04:42:57,360
>> Oh, yeah. The next

6726
04:42:57,360 --> 04:42:58,958
>> we having elections. We're having

6727
04:42:58,958 --> 04:43:00,480
election on the 3rd.

6728
04:43:00,480 --> 04:43:00,798
>> Yep.

6729
04:43:00,798 --> 04:43:02,560
>> And Mr. Chairman, just so the board

6730
04:43:02,560 --> 04:43:04,240
knows, I will not be here. Um I'm

6731
04:43:04,240 --> 04:43:06,160
attending a conference that week, so I

6732
04:43:06,160 --> 04:43:08,798
won't be here, but we are set with um

6733
04:43:08,798 --> 04:43:10,480
Rodney Connley will be named interim

6734
04:43:10,480 --> 04:43:12,240
town manager. He'll staff that meeting.

6735
04:43:12,240 --> 04:43:14,320
The amend the agenda should we're

6736
04:43:14,320 --> 04:43:17,040
working on keeping it pretty light. So

6737
04:43:17,040 --> 04:43:18,798
um I have confirmed that staff is

6738
04:43:18,798 --> 04:43:19,920
available for that day.

6739
04:43:19,920 --> 04:43:21,680
>> Perfect. Thank you. 22nd.

6740
04:43:21,680 --> 04:43:23,840
>> Yes, 22nd. Okay,

6741
04:43:23,840 --> 04:43:27,040
>> perfect. So, on that note, I will ask to

6742
04:43:27,040 --> 04:43:30,240
member Bennett to close us out.

6743
04:43:30,240 --> 04:43:31,840
>> Thank you. Well, please when you see

6744
04:43:31,840 --> 04:43:34,638
your vet, thank them for their service

6745
04:43:34,638 --> 04:43:37,200
and let's keep uh current servicemen and

6746
04:43:37,200 --> 04:43:39,280
women safe. Thank you.

6747
04:43:39,280 --> 04:43:43,958
>> Thank you. Good night, Danz. Thank you.