[12:35] Good evening everyone and welcome to our
[12:39] October 6, 2026 select board meeting.
[12:44] Member Bean, could you please lead us in
[12:46] the pledge of allegiance?
[12:50] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[12:53] United States of America and to the
[12:56] republic for which it stands. One nation
[12:59] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[13:02] justice for all.
[13:06] >> Thank you very much. I'll have the clerk
[13:08] uh read the agenda items.
[13:11] >> Approval of the minutes of September
[13:13] 3rd, 2026.
[13:15] >> I move we approve the minutes as
[13:16] presented. Do I have a second?
[13:19] >> Second.
[13:20] >> Any discussions?
[13:22] All those in favor say I. I.
[13:24] >> I.
[13:26] >> Abstain.
[13:27] >> That's uh that was I for
[13:29] >> 401.
[13:30] >> M1. Yes.
[13:31] >> Thank you.
[13:33] New public business. Limit comments to 3
[13:35] minutes or fewer.
[13:37] >> Any resident have questions, comments?
[13:40] Yes. If you want to just go to the
[13:41] microphone and introduce yourself.
[13:47] Good evening. Just want to make sure
[13:49] that you could see me.
[13:53] >> Who are you?
[13:54] >> I'll tell you one minute. There's one
[13:56] for everybody there, please.
[14:00] My name is Bill Bates. I'm a town
[14:02] meeting member from precinct 4. Um, and
[14:06] I'm also a Danvas crossing guard. And
[14:08] I'm here tonight to ask under new
[14:11] business for three requests. I
[14:14] respectfully ask that the board to
[14:17] discuss the many oh I'm sorry to add to
[14:19] a future agenda item [music] if you guys
[14:22] would consider a future agenda item for
[14:24] the following three items. The dangerous
[14:28] crosswalks that exist in our town.
[14:31] That's number one. The [clears throat]
[14:33] number of near misses every day is
[14:36] unacceptable.
[14:37] This is an [clears throat] accident
[14:39] waiting to happen.
[14:41] I come stand with in any day come out
[14:44] and stand with us as crossing guards and
[14:47] see what's going on out there. It's you
[14:49] will not believe it. We need flashing
[14:51] beacons at the most dangerous crosswalks
[14:55] now, not next summer.
[14:59] We I this is two years ago. I came here
[15:02] asking for help and it we've placed one
[15:06] flashing beacon in the two years.
[15:09] We can do better. Number two, discuss
[15:13] the structure of the current Danver
[15:15] Traffic Advisory Committee, DTAC. I
[15:19] would suggest you consider adding one
[15:22] town meeting member from each precinct
[15:25] to serve along with the select board
[15:27] liaison
[15:29] and town staff. That board doesn't
[15:32] really have any residents on there, so
[15:34] to speak. They're staff. And this
[15:37] confusion of when the meetings are held,
[15:39] whether they need to be publicized,
[15:41] whether they don't, for parents, and for
[15:44] crossing guards, that committee is is
[15:47] crucial. I know you folks are the town's
[15:51] traffic commissioners, and you've chosen
[15:53] to do this over the years through a
[15:55] traffic advisory committee. We can do
[15:57] better. and last to discuss the
[16:00] implementation of a traffic division
[16:04] within the Danvas Police Department.
[16:07] Danas Police Department was known for
[16:09] traffic stops for years and many felt it
[16:13] kept our community safer.
[16:16] Traffic is such a big issue in town, we
[16:19] should have officers who are experts in
[16:22] traffic management. I hope that the
[16:24] chair and the members will accept my
[16:27] respectfully made request to have the
[16:29] select board agenda in the future
[16:32] include these three items. And again,
[16:35] thank you for your service as always.
[16:38] Thank you very much. That's taken on the
[16:41] adviceman.
[16:42] Anybody else? Yes.
[16:58] Good evening, Mark Zuber, nine Glendale
[17:01] Drive.
[17:02] I come before you today to thank one of
[17:07] your board members, Dan Bennett, for
[17:10] [snorts] developing the Dan Bennett
[17:13] Show.
[17:14] I really was impressed with the
[17:18] presentation that happened, but it was a
[17:20] reaction to my show.
[17:23] I want to welcome you to the news media
[17:26] at DAT because we all participate in one
[17:30] way or another. Our views are shared by
[17:34] many residents and now they have a
[17:38] counter or another voice
[17:41] to my show which is the special report
[17:45] that was sent out on the stretch coat
[17:49] discussions that have been taken place.
[17:52] So I just didn't want you to think that
[17:54] I didn't notice but I did notice.
[17:58] I would therefore invite you to my show
[18:03] to express your views regarding the
[18:06] important decisions that our residents
[18:09] and town meeting members will be
[18:12] considering in the February warrant
[18:15] articles that are coming due.
[18:18] We can share our views and better inform
[18:22] the public. I only ask are your views
[18:26] personal or they reflect the board.
[18:30] [clears throat]
[18:31] I have been active on a news media show
[18:36] topics of the town news and I've invited
[18:41] many of you uh members of the board of
[18:43] selectmen
[18:45] and this is the first time that uh you
[18:48] know this you're the second one D has
[18:51] been active on different issues
[18:54] and uh yours is the newcomer to the DAT
[19:00] news media. So, welcome and I hope to be
[19:05] on your show or you can come on to my
[19:08] show and we can share the views because
[19:11] we need both sides. We cannot just
[19:14] accept one side of the views.
[19:17] >> Thank you.
[19:17] >> Mr. Chairman, may I make a few comments?
[19:19] >> Uh uh no, you you may want to think
[19:22] about it and
[19:24] >> if we need to have comments were made to
[19:25] make
[19:25] >> if we need to have it on the agenda, we will. Uh anybody else? I'm sorry, Mr.
[19:30] Chairman. I did not speak for this
[19:33] board and he alluded to that. Are these
[19:36] the board's thoughts? They're my
[19:38] thoughts.
[19:39] >> And Mr. Chairman, I
[19:41] >> Mr. Chairman, I I watched the show and
[19:43] he was
[19:43] >> I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not going to
[19:45] discuss about these. Um,
[19:48] anybody else?
[19:50] >> Yes,
[19:53] [clears throat and cough]
[19:56] Mr. Chair. Good evening, everybody. Uh
[19:58] my name is Luis Velasquez. I'm the vice
[20:00] chair of the Denver Human Rights and
[20:02] Inclusion Committee. And I'm here along
[20:03] with my colleague Paula Garcia Bledo.
[20:05] She's the chair of a celebration
[20:06] subcommittee. And we're here also an
[20:09] invitation. Um this invitation however
[20:12] is for um the human rights and inclusion
[20:15] committee celebration will be taking
[20:17] place on October 14th at 5:30 p.m. in
[20:23] the library. Um and to tell you all
[20:26] about it, I want to introduce my
[20:27] colleague again pao.
[20:31] » Good evening everyone. Um and thank you
[20:33] Luis for that wonderful introduction. U
[20:35] my name is Paola and I'm the
[20:36] subcommittee chair for this annual
[20:38] celebration event. Um, so mark your
[20:40] calendars on October 15th at 5:30 p.m.
[20:43] um at our library in the Gordon Room is
[20:45] kind of the space [clears throat]
[20:45] adjacent to it. Um, we are planning to
[20:48] have a wonderful evening um with
[20:50] delicious local food, great community
[20:52] resources,
[20:53] >> [music]
[20:53] >> um, a very uh, beautiful interactive art
[20:56] display and a screening of a culturally
[20:58] relevant film. Um, this year we wanted
[21:00] to be very intentional with our event to
[21:02] fully celebrate the beauty and
[21:03] contributions of the Hispanic and Latinx
[21:05] community. Um, like most communities in
[21:07] our country, in our town, the Latinx and
[21:10] Hispanic um, community is one enriched
[21:12] by a long history of migration through
[21:13] which various cuisines, music, art, and
[21:15] intellect have come to enrich our
[21:17] American [music] um, culture and
[21:18] community. Um, and it's something that
[21:20] we want to honor this year. Um, it will
[21:22] be a thoughtful and enjoyable
[21:23] celebration. So, please, please come.
[21:25] It's going to be a good time. Um, and
[21:26] now I will pass it [music] back to Luis
[21:28] for a few closing remarks.
[21:31] >> Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[21:32] So, once again, uh, mark your calendars
[21:35] everybody. We hope to see you on for
[21:37] October 14th, 5:30 p.m. at the library
[21:40] and um look forward to you there. Thank
[21:42] you very much.
[21:44] >> Thank you.
[21:47] Anybody else?
[21:49] Yes.
[21:51] You want to just go to the microphone
[21:52] and introduce yourself?
[21:55] >> Oh, boy.
[22:00] » Thank you, Bill.
[22:02] My name is Everly and I wanted to
[22:04] introduce this new boss and my nana
[22:09] which is in the blue jacket.
[22:11] >> Thank [laughter] you.
[22:13] >> Thank you Emily.
[22:15] >> Thank you.
[22:16] >> No idea. Thank you. [laughter] Wow. Good
[22:18] girl.
[22:22] » Anybody else?
[22:25] >> Hear none. Okay. Madame clerk. The board
[22:29] will consider the acceptance of a
[22:30] donation from the friends of the Davis
[22:32] Rail Trail in accordance with MGL
[22:34] chapter 44 section 53A.
[22:38] » They told me someone would be here.
[22:40] >> Uh
[22:40] >> I think I was like I'm assuming that's
[22:43] speak to that.
[22:45] >> Oh, sure.
[22:49] » Hi, my name is Corey Grace. I am a town
[22:52] meeting member precinct 4, but I am also
[22:54] the treasurer for the Diverse Rail Trail
[22:56] and I'm also a town employee. Shall I go
[22:58] on? I'm small [laughter] business owner.
[23:00] No. Um [clears throat] I I'm a little
[23:04] surprised because I thought somebody
[23:05] else was here. I was here for support.
[23:08] But um so the rail trail, I don't know
[23:12] if anybody is familiar with the duty
[23:14] stations. They have them um currently at
[23:18] um the beach. And there's one other
[23:21] place and I'm sorry um
[23:22] >> Endeott Park. Yeah,
[23:24] >> Ender Park. At the dog park at Ender.
[23:27] Okay. Thank you. Um, and we would like
[23:29] to place we would like to donate three
[23:31] of [music] those to be placed on the
[23:33] rail trail, but we want to make it clear
[23:35] that we will be fully responsible for
[23:37] them. I believe was everybody given anou
[23:41] on those?
[23:41] >> No, memo. A memo.
[23:42] >> A memo. Okay. Um, so the um I just want
[23:46] to say that the rail trail if they don't
[23:48] work out, if there's complaints, we will
[23:49] be putting stickers on them that will
[23:52] instruct people that if they do have
[23:54] complaints to call the rail trail
[23:56] volunteers not to bother the town or or
[24:00] um the um land and use services
[24:04] department. And if for some reason
[24:07] they're not working out, we will we will
[24:09] make the calls to the people to service
[24:11] them. [music] And if they're damaged, we
[24:15] will repair them. [music] And if at
[24:18] after a certain amount of time, if the
[24:19] town doesn't want them there anymore or
[24:21] if there's complaints about them, we
[24:23] will um pay the cost to have them
[24:25] removed. But we think that it's a great
[24:27] idea. We've come to an agreement with
[24:30] the company. We will supply the bags.
[24:32] They will come once or twice a week
[24:34] depending upon the need and depending
[24:36] upon the location. Um the rail trail
[24:39] committee has been getting a lot of
[24:41] complaints of people just piling up,
[24:44] especially in the springtime. They're
[24:46] finding piles of um dog waste bags
[24:49] [music]
[24:50] on the rail trail in different spots. So
[24:52] the three places that have been the most
[24:54] complained about are the three places
[24:55] that they're trying [music] to aim for.
[24:59] >> Thank you very much. Uh board members,
[25:01] any questions, comments? I'll start with
[25:04] member Bernard.
[25:05] >> No, good job. We love the rail trail.
[25:07] Thank you for all the work that you
[25:08] everybody does. I'm all support that.
[25:11] Thank you.
[25:11] >> Thank you, member Bennett.
[25:13] >> Thank you, Corey, for taking this
[25:15] initiative, your group. That's our
[25:16] biggest complaint when we walk is the
[25:18] bags.
[25:20] >> Thank you,
[25:22] >> member Bean.
[25:23] >> Uh thank you, Corey. Uh great idea. Uh
[25:26] good service. Uh probably need a
[25:28] training for everybody on the rail trail
[25:30] so they're not whipping the bags like
[25:32] they do, but uh just a thing. Maybe
[25:35] it'll get better. Thank you
[25:38] >> member to ask.
[25:39] >> Um I too thank you. I appreciate the
[25:41] effort to try to um clean up. You can't
[25:44] legislate good manners and but at least
[25:47] we can try to mitigate bad manners by
[25:49] providing this opportunity. So I'm thank
[25:51] you for it.
[25:53] >> Thank you very much for everything. I'll
[25:55] entertain a motion.
[25:57] >> I move we accept the gift with a um
[25:59] appropriate letter of thanks from the
[26:01] town.
[26:02] >> Second.
[26:02] >> Any further discussions
[26:05] hear? None. All those in favor say I.
[26:07] >> I.
[26:09] >> Thank you very much.
[26:10] >> Thank you.
[26:13] >> The board will issue a proclamation in
[26:15] recognition of breast cancer awareness
[26:17] month.
[26:18] >> Thank you. Uh so this item um is a
[26:22] request for a proclamation declaring
[26:24] October 2026 breast cancer awareness
[26:27] month in Danvers. Uh but before we
[26:30] begin, I want to make a disclosure. Uh
[26:33] the resident presenting this request is
[26:35] my wife. I consulted with the state
[26:38] ethic commission and I was advised that
[26:41] I may preside over this item and vote on
[26:45] it as well provided I can be fair and
[26:48] impartial.
[26:50] I I swear I can [laughter]
[26:56] um
[26:58] uh I have also filed a written
[27:00] disclosure with the town clerk uh which
[27:03] is available for public um um as a
[27:07] public record.
[27:07] >> Yes, I have it.
[27:08] >> Um so with that, I would like to invite
[27:11] Justin Jooko to the podium.
[27:17] » Everybody's bringing some fun to this
[27:19] game. You need a bear every month.
[27:29] » Good evening, member uh Mr. Chair and
[27:33] member of the board.
[27:36] My name is Joselyn Jooko and I live at 4
[27:40] Old Stonewall Avenue.
[27:43] Thank you for having me tonight.
[27:46] I usually watch these meetings
[27:50] from home on TV and I leave all the
[27:55] talking to my husband. [laughter]
[27:57] But tonight was too important for me to
[28:01] stay home.
[28:04] I am here as a resident, as a health
[28:07] care professional,
[28:10] and as a breast cancer survivor.
[28:14] In 2015,
[28:17] I had just come back from England on a
[28:20] nice vacation. [music]
[28:23] I had a head cold.
[28:26] So, I booked a doctor appointment for
[28:29] 10:00 a.m.
[28:32] When I arrived, they told me I did not
[28:36] have an appointment.
[28:39] I was disappointed. I was angry.
[28:43] I was sure my husband had forgotten to
[28:47] book
[28:48] [laughter] to book it for me.
[28:52] » They asked me to come back at 3:00 to
[28:56] see my PCP.
[28:58] When I came back, he said, "You almost
[29:02] due for your physical.
[29:04] Let's do it today." I said, "Yes, sure."
[29:09] During that physical,
[29:12] [snorts] he felt something unusual.
[29:16] That appointment I almost missed changed
[29:20] the course of my life.
[29:23] I had a lumpctomy in 2016.
[29:28] Then a chemotherapy and a radiation
[29:32] therapy.
[29:34] Today I am 10 years cancer free.
[29:40] I am thankful every single day.
[29:45] For a long time I could not talk about
[29:48] it. is still not easy, but I'm speaking
[29:53] tonight because it's important.
[30:00] About one in
[30:03] eight women in this country will be
[30:06] diagnosed with breast cancer
[30:10] in their lifetime.
[30:13] This year, more than 320 women will hear
[30:17] the words, "You have breast cancer."
[30:24] There,
[30:31] but there is a hope.
[30:35] The fiveear survival rate is nearly 100%
[30:40] when detected early.
[30:43] And since 1889
[30:46] breast cancer death have gone down by
[30:50] 44%.
[30:52] Today there are more than 4 million
[30:56] survivor in the US. I am proud to be one
[30:59] of them.
[31:02] Early detection saves lives
[31:06] and the more support a patient has, the
[31:10] stronger she is.
[31:13] Denver already shows
[31:16] that support. In October, our police
[31:20] officers wear pink patches and our
[31:24] firefighters
[31:26] have have pink t-shirt for the same
[31:31] cause
[31:33] to our police department and fire
[31:37] department. Thank you.
[31:41] They show they have shown us the way.
[31:44] Tonight I am asking that our whole town
[31:48] stand with them.
[31:50] So I respectfully
[31:53] asked the board to proclaim October 2026
[31:58] breast cancer awareness month in Denver.
[32:03] Let it be for the patient fighting
[32:05] today.
[32:07] for the survivor,
[32:10] for the families,
[32:12] and for those
[32:14] we have lost whose names we carry with
[32:18] love.
[32:20] Some of my family and friends are here
[32:25] with me tonight wearing pink.
[32:30] And
[32:31] everyone watching,
[32:34] please do not skip your checkup.
[32:37] Please do not cancel your mamogram.
[32:41] It could save your life your life like
[32:44] it save mine. Thank you.
[32:49] [applause]
[32:57] Thank you very much. Um, so I will have
[33:01] member
[33:03] uh Bernard actually read the draft
[33:06] proclamation if you could before
[33:08] >> it would be my honor, Mr. Chair, and
[33:10] you're a remarkable woman. Thank you.
[33:12] >> Um, breast cancer awareness month,
[33:15] October 2026. Whereas breast cancer is
[33:18] the most commonly diagnosed cancer among
[33:20] women in Massachusetts in the United
[33:22] States. And about one in eight women in
[33:25] the United States will be diagnosed with
[33:26] breast cancer in her lifetime. And
[33:29] whereas the American Cancer Society
[33:32] estimates that in 2026 about 321,910
[33:37] women in the United States will be
[33:39] diagnosed with invasive breast cancer
[33:42] and about 42,140
[33:45] women will die from the disease. And
[33:47] whereas breast cancer also affects men
[33:50] and it touches the lives of countless
[33:52] family, friends, co-workers, and
[33:55] neighbors in Damas. And whereas when
[33:58] breast cancer is found early while still
[34:00] localized, the 5-year relative survival
[34:04] rate is nearly 100% making regular
[34:07] screening, routine checkups, and
[34:09] awareness among the most powerful tools
[34:12] we have. And whereas breast cancer death
[34:15] rate in the United States has fallen by
[34:18] 44% since 1989 thanks to early detection
[34:23] research and improved treatment. And
[34:25] there are now more than four million
[34:28] breast cancer survivors in our nation.
[34:30] And whereas about 85% of breast cancers
[34:34] occur in women with no family history of
[34:37] the disease. which is why every person
[34:39] should know the signs and talk with a
[34:41] health care provider about screening.
[34:44] And whereas patients, survivors, and
[34:47] their families are strengthened by the
[34:48] support of their community and the town
[34:50] of Danvas wishes to stand with them in
[34:53] hope and solidarity. Now, therefore, we
[34:56] the select board of the town of Damas do
[34:59] hereby proclaim October 2026 as breast
[35:03] cancer awareness month in the town of
[35:05] Damis. And we honor the courage of those
[35:08] living with breast cancer and strength
[35:11] of survivors. Remember with love those
[35:14] we have lost to breast cancer and
[35:16] support the families who carry their
[35:18] memory. Thank the doctors, nur nurses,
[35:21] pharmacists, caregivers, researchers,
[35:23] and volunteers who serve patients every
[35:26] day and encourage all residents to learn
[35:29] about early detection and to schedule
[35:31] their recommended screenings and
[35:32] checkups.
[35:34] >> Second, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very
[35:35] much. Um, so the motion has been made. It's been
[35:40] seconded. Any discussion? Member Task?
[35:44] >> No, no discussion. Thank you for getting
[35:45] up and bring this to our attention.
[35:49] >> Member Bean. [clears throat]
[35:51] >> Uh, no discussion. Thank you very much.
[35:53] God bless.
[35:55] >> Member Bennett.
[35:57] >> My aunt and stepsister had breast
[36:00] cancer.
[36:02] >> [clears throat]
[36:02] >> Neither one lived beyond 10 years.
[36:06] [snorts] They passed away. Um, so it
[36:09] they didn't have really detection
[36:11] obviously and what a family goes
[36:14] through. I can appreciate and appreciate
[36:17] what you and your family went through.
[36:21] >> Thank you.
[36:22] >> Member Bernard.
[36:23] >> Thank you so much for having the courage
[36:24] and getting up and and telling your
[36:26] story. Um, as we all say, we all get
[36:29] busy, right? work, meetings, everything,
[36:32] early detection. Don't miss those
[36:34] appointments. And um thank you very
[36:36] much.
[36:37] >> Thank you.
[36:37] So I did get a motion and
[36:40] it's being seconded.
[36:42] >> Who made the motion?
[36:43] >> Morin, what you read? Second.
[36:46] >> Second. Any further discussions?
[36:49] Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.
[36:51] >> I.
[36:52] >> Okay. 5. Well, on on a personal note,
[36:55] now that the vote has passed, I I'll say
[36:58] um well, Justin is my wife of 28 years,
[37:03] um she's brave and she she's a rock star
[37:08] and
[37:09] uh but but like she said herself, this
[37:12] is not about one person. Um to every
[37:14] survivor, every
[37:17] uh patient, every family members
[37:19] tonight, uh this is for you. Um this is
[37:23] for you. So, thank you for all you do
[37:26] and thank you,
[37:28] >> Mr. Chairman, if I may. I believe our
[37:30] police chief brought something and I
[37:33] will say while he's getting up, um the
[37:35] fire t-shirts that are for sale to raise
[37:37] money for breast cancer awareness, they
[37:39] sold out over the weekend.
[37:40] >> Wow. Which is incredible Monday.
[37:42] >> We were going to get We were planning on
[37:44] bringing one for you, so I'm sorry that
[37:45] they're not here. Um but they hope to
[37:47] have them restocked for their open house
[37:48] on Thursday. and Chief Levelville has
[37:52] something with him.
[37:53] >> Um so back in 2021 I became chief. Uh we
[37:56] began the pink patch project in Danvers.
[37:58] [music]
[37:59] Um this is a nationwide initiative that
[38:01] is aimed to bring awareness to breast
[38:03] cancer awareness by dawning pink patches
[38:06] for the month of October. Um although
[38:08] not mandatory um probably 99% of our
[38:11] department participates in this and
[38:12] wears it proudly throughout the month of
[38:14] October. So on behalf of the police
[38:16] department, I'd like to present Mrs.
[38:17] Djoko one of our patches.
[38:23] » [applause]
[38:34] » Thank you, Chief.
[38:38] Next,
[38:39] >> a public hearing will be held on the
[38:40] application of Mattiey's Cafe and
[38:42] Catering doing business as Mattiey's
[38:44] Cafe and Catering 75 Sylen Street
[38:46] Matthew Fellows owner for a transfer of
[38:49] a common vict a license at that
[38:51] location.
[38:52] >> Whis to speak to that. Want to just go
[38:55] to the microphone and introduce
[38:56] yourself?
[39:02] » How you doing? My name is Matthew
[39:04] Fellows. This is my wife, Andrea. Uh I'm
[39:06] here tonight uh to ask you for a
[39:08] transfer of a common vict uh for 75
[39:11] Silven Street after purchasing Zoe's
[39:13] Cafe and turning it into Mattiey's Cafe
[39:15] and Catering. Um, I have been in the
[39:17] food industry for over well over 20
[39:19] years doing anything from pizza making
[39:22] to working in high-end uh catering. And
[39:25] uh my last venture was a at the lot over
[39:27] in Middleton. I owned Goodfellow's food
[39:29] truck. I did that for four years. Um,
[39:32] but I was really just looking for
[39:33] something that was an opportunity of
[39:34] brick and mortar and after closing the
[39:37] doors on the food truck, I found this
[39:38] opportunity and it was just a
[39:41] opportunity I couldn't really stand up
[39:43] for. So I needed to make sure that I was
[39:44] able to do it. So, this is what I'm just
[39:46] asking from you guys today and if you
[39:48] have any questions for me, I am happy to
[39:49] ask answer them.
[39:51] >> Thank you very much. Board member, any
[39:53] questions, comments? Member Bennett?
[39:55] >> None.
[39:57] >> Thank you. Member Bean.
[40:00] >> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chad. Can you tell us
[40:02] what kind of food you guys?
[40:03] >> Absolutely. Um, anything from a lot of
[40:05] stuff is just going to be helpful for
[40:07] the people that are working in there.
[40:09] So, fast graband go things like wraps,
[40:12] burgers, salads, sandwiches, uh things
[40:15] of that nature. I make a lot of the food
[40:17] myself. So, I I make my own brisket for
[40:20] pastrami. I do my own pulled pork. Um I
[40:22] make a lot of my own like my turkey for
[40:24] my gobbler, my all my sauces. So, I try
[40:27] to do everything from scratch. So, it's
[40:28] much more like more feel to the food. Um
[40:32] so, you really feel it when you eat it.
[40:33] So, that's kind of the goal for me.
[40:35] >> Sounds good. Sounds good. Good luck.
[40:37] >> Thank you very much. Thank you, member
[40:39] Task.
[40:40] >> And you also serve breakfast, don't you?
[40:42] >> Yes,
[40:42] >> you do. And when I come to the building,
[40:44] as I if I'm coming off Silven Street,
[40:46] what's the best way to find your
[40:48] >> um there's there's uh both building it's
[40:50] building B, so it's the center. It's
[40:52] kind of the center building. It's offset
[40:53] to the left. It's
[40:55] doors B4 and B5. They're a little
[40:58] difficult to get to. I've kind of been
[41:00] using uh lawn signs for right now just
[41:02] to kind of point people in the right
[41:04] direction. Um, but it's inside of
[41:06] building uh between building B4 and B5.
[41:09] Um, and it's welcome to the public as
[41:12] well as anybody that's in the building.
[41:13] >> Great. Good luck to you.
[41:14] >> Thank you very much.
[41:15] >> Thank you. Uh, member Bernard.
[41:18] >> Sounds delicious. Um, looking forward to
[41:21] it. Good luck.
[41:22] >> Thank you.
[41:22] Uh, no questions on my part.
[41:25] This is a public hearing. Anybody in the
[41:27] audience has a questions, comments?
[41:30] >> Hear none.
[41:31] >> Motion to close the public hearing.
[41:33] >> Second the motion. All those in favor
[41:34] say I. I. I'll entertain a motion.
[41:38] >> I move we accept the application as
[41:39] presented.
[41:41] >> I need a second.
[41:42] >> Second.
[41:43] >> Any further discussions? All those in
[41:46] favor say I. I.
[41:47] >> I.
[41:48] >> 50.
[41:49] >> Thank you.
[41:50] >> Good luck.
[41:50] >> Thank you very much.
[41:51] >> Thank you.
[41:55] » [clears throat]
[41:56] >> The board is in receipt of I'm going to
[41:58] correct that to four applications by
[42:00] Essex Northshore Agricultural and
[42:02] Technical School at 565 Maple Street,
[42:04] the Larkin Center. Jill Sawyer, event
[42:07] coordinator for four one-day wall wine
[42:10] and malt licenses for the gala, the
[42:13] Larkin Gala, Saturday, October 24th from
[42:16] 6 to 10:00 p.m. The Essex County
[42:18] Community Foundation for Strategy
[42:21] meeting on Thursday, October 22nd from 5
[42:24] to 9:00 p.m. A private baby shower on
[42:27] Sunday, October 18 from 10 to 2. another
[42:30] private baby shower on Sunday, November
[42:32] 7th, and I've got the time as 11:00 a.m.
[42:35] to 2:00 p.m.
[42:37] >> Okay, perfect. 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m.
[42:40] >> 11 to 2. Yes.
[42:41] >> Thank you.
[42:42] >> Sure, you can go ahead.
[42:44] >> Hi, I'm Jill Sawyer representing Essex
[42:46] Tech, the Larkin um center. Also want to
[42:48] introduce our new event coordinator,
[42:50] Amarie Cody. Um she will be kind of
[42:53] coming forward and passing the torches.
[42:55] I'll probably be with her to support
[42:56] her. Um but as the event coordinator
[42:58] that's going to be on site for all of
[43:00] these events, she will be in front of
[43:02] the board for future one day liquor
[43:03] license. So we have the four that um
[43:06] were mentioned. Um there's only one out
[43:09] of the three that is a public event, the
[43:11] Larkin Gayla. The rest are all private
[43:13] events.
[43:15] >> So
[43:16] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh board members, any
[43:19] questions, comments? um member twice
[43:23] >> and who are going to be catering these
[43:26] individual events?
[43:27] >> So the events um for the the catering is
[43:30] going to be done either by this um the
[43:32] school the students at our um culinary
[43:34] as far as the liquor service. The
[43:37] larking gila is from um refined
[43:39] refreshments and the other three is
[43:41] happy hostess.
[43:43] >> Okay. Those are departures from your
[43:46] usual
[43:47] >> Yes. like a service. I'm I'm sure the
[43:50] town clerk would know that those are
[43:53] >> Okay.
[43:54] >> Well, right. They're um tip certified.
[43:56] Um
[43:57] >> very good. Okay.
[43:58] >> So, we part of that is the um submitting
[44:00] their tip certification as well as their
[44:02] liability insurance. Um we've just found
[44:04] as as the um center has kind of grown in
[44:07] popularity as far as events, trying to
[44:09] book it with the same um bartending
[44:11] service has been kind of a challenge.
[44:13] We're hoping that um Happy Hostess doing
[44:15] three events might move forward with
[44:17] kind of continuing to partner with us.
[44:19] >> Wonderful. Thank you. Uh if their trips
[44:20] to Right. I have no other questions.
[44:22] Thank you.
[44:23] >> Thank you. Member Bean.
[44:25] >> Uh no, I think you guys do a great job
[44:27] at the school. I hope more people go
[44:29] trade school. Thank you.
[44:32] >> Member Bennett.
[44:33] >> All set. Thank you.
[44:35] >> Member Bernard.
[44:36] >> I know. All set. Good luck.
[44:38] >> Thank you. [cough and clears throat]
[44:39] >> Uh I will entertain a motion. You could
[44:42] do them all. You're going to do them all
[44:43] as one.
[44:44] >> Uh, we could if the board choose to do
[44:46] so.
[44:47] >> So, I entertain a motion. Mr.
[44:49] >> Chairman, make a motion that we accept
[44:50] all four applications as presented.
[44:53] >> Secondly, move.
[44:54] >> Any further discussions?
[44:57] All those in favor say I. I.
[44:59] >> I.
[45:00] >> Oppose.
[45:01] >> Me. [laughter]
[45:03] >> 41.
[45:04] >> Thank you.
[45:07] >> Good luck. Thank you.
[45:08] >> Great. Thank you.
[45:11] The board will hear detailed information
[45:14] pursuant to a request to modify the
[45:16] previously granted application of GC
[45:19] Federa Contracting LLC Jeppi Fediraa
[45:22] Manager President to occupy the public
[45:25] way in front of 17 Elm Street. Um the applicant u provided an a letter
[45:33] this a late this afternoon um unable to
[45:36] attend the meeting tonight.
[45:38] >> Okay. So, madame power manager.
[45:40] >> Sure.
[45:41] >> Any update from staff or
[45:42] >> Yes. Um, one second.
[45:51] So staff um have been including the
[45:54] building commissioner and the DPW
[45:56] director have been working consistently
[45:58] with um the developers at 17 Elm Street
[46:01] through the past week um trying to get
[46:04] the work finished up. The uh date that
[46:06] you had issued in your last permit to
[46:09] occupy the sidewalk was October 2nd,
[46:11] Friday, October 2nd. Um clearly they
[46:14] have are not there yet. Um both Stephen
[46:18] and Tim have spoken to them as recently
[46:21] as today.
[46:22] >> Um there is a recommendation in your
[46:25] packet um from staff or actually I think
[46:28] Mr. Chair I sent it to you I put it on
[46:31] the top of yours. Um they are they are
[46:34] suggesting that you impose the $20 fee
[46:38] um every day starting on October 3rd
[46:40] when the permit was um expired until
[46:44] they are finished with that work. Um
[46:46] they expect it will be shortly. They
[46:48] have um Page Street will not be paved
[46:52] until the spring but it will be open to
[46:54] the public. So they don't foresee um the
[46:57] finding for that for that location, but
[47:00] they would expect um sidewalk to be open
[47:02] Wednesday or Thursday and fines to be
[47:04] roughly for those few days. So they are
[47:06] very close to finishing up. Um they have
[47:09] been cooperative with staff uh and but
[47:11] to be consistent, we're recommending we
[47:13] let them proceed but find them until
[47:15] they are done.
[47:17] >> Thank you. Uh board members questions,
[47:19] comments uh I will start by member Bean.
[47:23] Uh, no. I read the letter they dropped
[47:25] off here. Um, so we're almost there.
[47:29] That's my only comment.
[47:30] >> Okay. Uh, member Bennett,
[47:33] >> why have this hearing if people aren't
[47:34] going to show up? I don't know why
[47:36] [clears throat] your letter is
[47:37] acceptable.
[47:40] » You don't know why. What is acceptable?
[47:42] >> The letter.
[47:43] >> Oh, okay.
[47:43] >> They should be here in person to answer
[47:45] questions, defend themselves,
[47:48] [clears throat] make their presentation.
[47:50] Do we now just go to everybody can just
[47:52] send a letter in with a request? I think
[47:56] it's fairly
[47:58] unfair to this board and I think it's
[48:01] insulting
[48:03] and $20 a day, big deal.
[48:09] » Member Bernard.
[48:12] >> Um well, it looks like progress is going
[48:15] along well. Um, if Tim and um,
[48:19] >> Stephen
[48:20] >> and Stephen are okay with it, I'll be
[48:22] okay with it. Um, and imposing the $20
[48:25] fee a day until the work's done.
[48:28] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[48:29] >> Mr. Chairman, if I may,
[48:31] >> it's not Stevens or Temps to act on our
[48:36] behalf.
[48:39] >> The recommendation [snorts]
[48:40] is fine.
[48:43] >> Oh, no. board this board should be a
[48:45] little more proactive with these issues
[48:48] >> if I might.
[48:49] >> I I I I mean hold on. Uh yes, member to
[48:53] ask.
[48:54] >> So I'm I'm with Select Bennett. Um this
[48:56] is the second time this applicant has
[48:58] failed to show with adequate notice that
[49:00] they should be here. Um or they have
[49:03] sent representation that was the general
[49:05] contractor and not the owner, the people
[49:07] for whom we would ask the questions. I
[49:10] find it I do not accept their apology
[49:13] here. This is completely unprofessional.
[49:17] The fact that they're moving along well
[49:19] now is in independent of the fact that
[49:21] they should have been done literally
[49:22] months ago. I am in favor of in some
[49:26] manner creating some some
[49:29] uh response to this more than just the
[49:32] $20. And I know we're going to talk
[49:34] about working on the fines later when we
[49:35] talk about zoning and things of that in
[49:37] the nature. I'm looking I would want I
[49:39] would actually vote that we do a work
[49:41] stoppage for three days.
[49:43] and the $20 until that's until because
[49:46] they were told if the scaffolding was
[49:49] not down, it was going to be a work
[49:51] stoppage. They were told that at the
[49:52] last time they came before us, we gave
[49:55] them more time than they anticipated and
[49:57] asked for. This is there is no reason
[50:00] that they've offered here, no compelling
[50:02] reason like they couldn't get materials
[50:04] because of tariffs or whatever it might
[50:06] be. Something that would give us pause.
[50:09] They simply said, "We haven't finished
[50:10] and we decided not to show up." They
[50:13] could have had legal representation
[50:14] here. That would have been sufficient as
[50:17] often is. But when it comes to I'm going
[50:20] to recommend not only the 20 days until
[50:22] this is completed and they have a signed
[50:24] off uh document from the town, but I'm
[50:27] also going to make a motion to the
[50:28] effect of uh some amount of work
[50:30] stoppage.
[50:31] >> Yeah. Thank you. I mean, couple things
[50:34] uh from my perspective. Number one, I I
[50:36] don't think that staff recommendation is
[50:38] dictating to us what we have to do. Uh
[50:42] ultimately, it's our decision as a board
[50:44] whatever we want to do. Uh number two,
[50:49] we we can only go by whatever we have in
[50:53] our books. We can't we can't manufacture
[50:55] a bigger fine fine. The fine is what it
[50:58] is. Until that changes in the future,
[51:02] all we have is what we have, the tools
[51:04] we have to work with. Number three, I
[51:08] think our ultimate goal, we are all
[51:10] frustrated. I I I we sent we've been
[51:12] talking about this for so long, but our
[51:15] ultimate goal,
[51:17] I hope, is that they finish the project.
[51:21] Our ultimate goal is that they move this
[51:24] along as quick as they can so we can get
[51:28] a resolution. I think after November 15,
[51:31] correct me, Madame Town Manager, they
[51:33] can't do anything else. Is that correct?
[51:35] >> That's correct.
[51:36] >> So,
[51:36] >> I'm sorry. After what?
[51:38] >> November 15.
[51:39] >> What is What does that say?
[51:40] >> Exterior or interior?
[51:43] >> That's exterior. That's when the
[51:44] moratorium of road work because we start
[51:46] plowing after the 15th of November.
[51:48] >> No. What I'm suggesting is we do have
[51:50] this mechanism. We gave them permission
[51:52] to go until October 2nd and have the
[51:55] scaffolding up. It's not up. It's it's
[51:58] open to a work stoppage.
[52:00] Our permit has now expired for the third
[52:03] or fourth time. The approval by this
[52:06] board is complete
[52:09] and we have passed that time.
[52:12] And so I believe and I would ask the
[52:14] town meeting uh uh town manager to
[52:17] confirm with town council. But if I'm in
[52:20] if I'm accurate, I believe we have the
[52:22] opportunity to now say your permit is
[52:24] passed and you can't do any work
[52:26] >> until you come before the board. And I
[52:27] don't want to go to that extreme because
[52:28] that's a two-e effort, but I think we
[52:31] can impose some amount of uh we're we're
[52:34] going to talk about other businesses
[52:35] tonight where we're going to impact
[52:36] their their ability to open or not.
[52:40] >> Yeah, if you want to just stay on this
[52:41] one for now, I totally agree. We can if
[52:43] we don't renew their occup if we do not
[52:48] that will be a work stoppage but my
[52:50] point is by doing it now we are we are
[52:54] giving them less chance to finishing
[52:56] this project by November 15 and if they
[53:00] don't finish then we'll have no choice
[53:02] but to have that site work occupied
[53:05] through the summer. So the more we can
[53:09] allow them to finish it as quick as they
[53:12] can and and again I'm very disappointed
[53:16] but I want the project finished. So, um,
[53:20] again, this is this board decision. I'll
[53:22] entertain any motions,
[53:24] >> but if we if we extend the if we extend
[53:26] the date, we can't charge them the $20
[53:29] because then they'll be in compliance.
[53:32] The 20 that and that's a silly number
[53:34] and we all know it. But, nonetheless,
[53:38] I I would s I you know, I I want to see
[53:41] something more substantial being done.
[53:43] It is it is it is beyond it is beyond
[53:47] acceptable that they just don't show up
[53:48] and they don't care about the dates,
[53:52] you know, or or they I shouldn't say
[53:54] they don't care. It's they're not
[53:55] targeting the dates. They they told us
[53:57] when it would be done and we gave them
[53:59] extra time after that after the third
[54:01] time they've come to us and with miss
[54:03] dates. We issue a permit. What we really
[54:06] have to vote on tonight is whether we're
[54:08] going to extend that permit or not.
[54:09] >> If we don't extend the permit, then they
[54:11] will have to pay the fine. That would be
[54:13] the the the
[54:15] so we can say we don't want
[54:17] >> and but I believe that there's I believe
[54:19] that there should be more than just $20
[54:20] a day because that just invites anybody
[54:22] who wants to blow past our dates and not
[54:26] show up upon our request to just not
[54:29] show up our request.
[54:30] >> Fortunately, it seems like that's what
[54:32] we have in the books that we can use.
[54:35] That's the tool we have now. Until that
[54:37] changes, I think we don't renew it. We
[54:40] impose the fine until they open the
[54:42] sidewalk and if it goes past the 15,
[54:45] they'll pay the fine to the to the
[54:46] winter.
[54:47] >> Just looking at this.
[54:48] >> Uh, so I entertain a motion.
[54:50] >> I I'll Okay, I'll I'll offer a motion
[54:53] then.
[54:53] >> Did Mike say anything?
[54:54] >> Um, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[54:55] >> Did Did I call on you, Mike?
[54:56] >> You did.
[54:57] >> Okay.
[54:57] >> Yeah. Thank you.
[54:58] >> Okay. I think I called on everyone. So,
[55:00] >> okay. Today is now uh October 6th.
[55:04] I'm going to suggest that we entertain a
[55:06] permit from October 12th until November
[55:11] 15th,
[55:12] which means they have to stop work until
[55:14] October 12th. That's three days.
[55:18] That requires a work stoppage for 3 days
[55:20] that can be presented to them tomorrow.
[55:22] I actually I'll give the time man time
[55:23] to
[55:24] >> Today's the sixth,
[55:25] >> right? So if I'm counting the days as
[55:29] weekdays.
[55:29] >> Okay. Okay. Sorry. So if we offer a
[55:33] permit from October 12th until November
[55:37] 15th, that's our extension. That's our
[55:39] the board's ability.
[55:42] The 7th, 8th, and 9th is a work
[55:44] stoppage. They don't have a permit
[55:46] during that time.
[55:48] >> Mr. Chair,
[55:49] >> is that motion? Is there
[55:50] >> I made the motion. People can second for
[55:52] discussion.
[55:53] >> I'd like to make comment before we move
[55:55] forwards.
[55:56] >> Um
[55:56] >> but I'm not seconding.
[55:58] >> Okay. So there's no second. So the
[56:00] motion fell. Uh back to the board. Yes.
[56:03] >> I I I think you're on the right track.
[56:06] We want this project done.
[56:09] >> I don't want to give them permission to
[56:12] continue working, nor do I want to stop
[56:14] them. Let them continue working and be
[56:16] fined until they're done.
[56:18] >> Is that a motion to continue the fine
[56:20] until they're done?
[56:21] >> Correct. I'll second that.
[56:23] >> Okay. So I have a motion to continue the
[56:26] fine until they're done. That has been
[56:28] seconded. Any other discussions
[56:32] here? None. All those in favor say I. I.
[56:35] >> I.
[56:35] >> Oppose.
[56:36] >> No.
[56:36] >> So 41.
[56:38] >> Thank you.
[56:40] >> Can we send them a letter that we're
[56:41] very disappointed, Mr. Chairman?
[56:43] >> Sure.
[56:45] >> Do that.
[56:46] >> Thank you.
[56:50] >> We actually, Mr. Chairman, could I ask
[56:52] that we have them before us at the next
[56:54] meeting?
[56:55] I would like to have this discussion
[56:57] with them in the room and the fines or
[57:00] whatever it is. If they're done, they're
[57:01] done. If they're not, they're not. I
[57:02] want to know when it is going to be
[57:03] complete. We've given them an open and
[57:05] we've given them a blank check. They
[57:07] don't have to follow our rules. They
[57:09] don't have to follow our regulations.
[57:10] They don't have to follow our deadlines.
[57:11] And we've just told them keep going
[57:13] until you're done.
[57:15] And I'm that's unacceptable to me. I
[57:17] want someone a represent I want one of
[57:19] the owners here not because I don't want
[57:22] to yell at the legal representation.
[57:23] That's unfair to that person or the
[57:25] general contractor. I want them here.
[57:27] Can we can I ask that the board or the
[57:30] through you that the we invite them to
[57:32] be here?
[57:32] >> I mean we could I mean I don't
[57:34] >> and if they blow us off again that's
[57:35] another indication.
[57:36] >> I think sending a firm letter in my
[57:39] opinion suffice. I mean what are they
[57:41] going to to say or do? We we want the
[57:43] project done.
[57:45] >> Um
[57:47] we just they just have to finish it.
[57:49] this has been going on too long and
[57:53] they have until the 15th of November. It has to be done. So
[57:57] >> it doesn't they could blow past that.
[57:59] They they don't they obviously
[58:01] >> and they'll keep paying the fines to
[58:03] them.
[58:05] >> I'm asking that they be before us on the
[58:07] agenda. If you want to choose not to
[58:09] have that, that's your prerogative.
[58:10] >> Um I mean if the majority of the board
[58:13] think that's important, I would
[58:15] entertain that.
[58:15] >> At this point in time, it's meaningless.
[58:17] Okay.
[58:19] Pier
[58:20] >> I just want to see if there's no
[58:22] >> I think I just think [clears throat] we
[58:24] have to work on the uh fine schedule.
[58:26] >> Okay. Okay. I I I'll agree with that.
[58:30] Thank you, Madame Clerk.
[58:36] Number eight,
[58:36] >> a public hearing will be held under
[58:38] chapter 138 of the MGL to consider
[58:40] whether the license to sell alcohol
[58:42] beverages held by Toledo Damverse LLC
[58:45] doing business as Toito Mexican
[58:47] Restaurant 10 Newberry Street Ramone
[58:50] Michael Manager should be suspended,
[58:52] revoked, or limited in any way.
[58:55] >> Okay. Uh before before I'll just have
[58:57] the chief kind of update us on the
[58:59] findings.
[59:01] We're going to give you that before.
[59:03] >> Okay.
[59:10] What should I be see? You can look at
[59:12] that and let me know.
[59:16] [clears throat]
[59:17] >> Yes, Chief.
[59:18] >> Uh, this is a followup to our August
[59:19] 18th, 2026 meeting when we discussed the
[59:22] alcohol compliance checks during the
[59:24] summertime. So, on Monday, July 27th,
[59:27] 2026, the D Police Department conducted
[59:29] routine alcohol compliance checks at
[59:31] licensed establishments throughout town.
[59:33] The goal of these are to promote
[59:34] responsible alcohol service in
[59:36] compliance with mass laws. During the
[59:38] operation, four establishments failed to
[59:40] verify identification of an 18-year-old
[59:42] participant. Neither sold or properly
[59:44] served them alcohol. The four businesses
[59:47] were J&J cuisine. They served a Coors
[59:50] Light draft. Capy's Liquor sold a
[59:52] six-ack of Budlight. Toito Mexican
[59:55] Restaurant provided a Budlight draft.
[59:57] And 466 Pub and Grill provided one Bud
[1:00:00] Light draft.
[1:00:04] Thank you, Chief. Um, so
[1:00:09] anybody here from Toledo?
[1:00:11] >> Yes.
[1:00:11] >> You want just go to the microphone and
[1:00:14] introduce yourself before you speak,
[1:00:16] please?
[1:00:18] >> Hi.
[1:00:22] » Edgar Martinez.
[1:00:23] >> Sure.
[1:00:24] >> Yes. Hi. Uh, good evening.
[1:00:29] So, uh, what what happened here?
[1:00:35] >> Well, uh, we had a bartender on that day
[1:00:40] that didn't card the person [music]
[1:00:44] and, um,
[1:00:47] it was our mistake. She's been working
[1:00:49] with us for a couple I think she was
[1:00:51] working for like a year
[1:00:55] and
[1:00:58] I think we just made she made a mistake
[1:01:00] that night.
[1:01:02] >> Okay.
[1:01:03] >> And we retrain everybody.
[1:01:07] We [music] purchase an uh
[1:01:11] a system that you have to stick the uh
[1:01:14] the ID in the machine. So I tell you
[1:01:16] exactly
[1:01:17] how is the person I train. We train we
[1:01:20] talk to everybody in the morning and
[1:01:23] dinner time lunch time to car everybody
[1:01:26] so we don't have that mistake again.
[1:01:30] » Okay. So since would you say you had
[1:01:33] training since this incident and you've
[1:01:35] purchased an a scanner since this
[1:01:39] happened?
[1:01:39] >> Right.
[1:01:40] >> Okay.
[1:01:41] >> I think Mr. Do you receive if you want
[1:01:44] to give that to madam clerk that's um
[1:01:46] the invoice for the ID scanner and
[1:01:48] training certifications and tip
[1:01:50] certifications.
[1:01:52] >> Okay. Thank you. Um just for the members
[1:01:55] of the board is is it appears that and
[1:01:58] uh for my record you had two prior
[1:02:01] suspension at this location.
[1:02:04] um after a December 20th, 2022
[1:02:07] compliance check,
[1:02:09] um a compliance check found on the H
[1:02:12] cell and the board held a hearing on
[1:02:15] March 7, 2023 and there was a vote, I
[1:02:18] believe it was 3 to2 at the time, to
[1:02:20] impose a one-day suspension served on
[1:02:23] March 21st, 2023.
[1:02:26] A second hearing on June 18, 2024
[1:02:30] addressed afterhour alcohol consumptions
[1:02:34] and resulted in a 3-day suspension serve
[1:02:38] from July 15 to the 17, 2024.
[1:02:43] >> Yes.
[1:02:43] >> Okay. Uh members of the board, any
[1:02:47] questions, comments? Uh I'll start by
[1:02:49] member Bernard.
[1:02:51] >> Okay. Well, you said that uh she made a
[1:02:54] mistake. Um hope you know hopefully they
[1:02:57] won't make any more mistakes. Um you've
[1:02:59] got the scanner so when someone comes in
[1:03:01] they ask everybody right everybody.
[1:03:04] >> They ask everybody and also in RPO
[1:03:07] system anybody that order a beer the
[1:03:10] server got to go in there and key the
[1:03:13] age
[1:03:15] uh the uh age for the person they they
[1:03:18] enter the birthday
[1:03:20] >> so the computer allowed to open and send
[1:03:23] the alcohol. So that reminds them also
[1:03:26] they need to check double reminds to
[1:03:29] check the ID.
[1:03:30] >> And how often do you do the training? Is
[1:03:32] it like quarterly, you know,
[1:03:34] semiannually? Are you and you're and
[1:03:36] you're there with the training?
[1:03:38] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We usually do every
[1:03:40] six months. [music]
[1:03:41] >> Okay. Good. Okay.
[1:03:42] >> Two times a year. Yeah.
[1:03:45] >> That's it, Mr. Chair. For me right now.
[1:03:47] >> Thank you. Uh member Bennett, back to
[1:03:49] >> your point of information. Are we
[1:03:51] addressing the alleged
[1:03:54] um recent violation and then are we
[1:03:58] going to address the one day that was
[1:04:00] held in obeyance
[1:04:01] >> different?
[1:04:02] >> They did not have they held in a ban
[1:04:04] here.
[1:04:04] >> They did not.
[1:04:04] >> Their last their last one was uh 2024.
[1:04:08] [snorts]
[1:04:08] >> 2024. Okay.
[1:04:09] >> Yes.
[1:04:14] » I have no questions.
[1:04:15] >> Thank you. Member Bean.
[1:04:18] >> Um
[1:04:20] to to the clerk actually. Do you know
[1:04:23] the scanners? Are they 100%.
[1:04:27] >> I have no idea.
[1:04:29] >> The police chief.
[1:04:31] We don't know if they're 100%.
[1:04:33] >> Did they go to the through the registry
[1:04:35] of motor vehicles?
[1:04:36] >> I'm sure it's a database that they must
[1:04:38] acquire. I don't think it's actual live
[1:04:40] from the registry itself because
[1:04:41] information, but there must be some type
[1:04:42] of
[1:04:43] >> third party
[1:04:43] >> that reads the bio scanner and
[1:04:45] calculates the date of birth or
[1:04:46] something, but I don't think we
[1:04:47] register.
[1:04:48] >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, sir, you
[1:04:52] know, we're all trying to work together
[1:04:53] here. You, us, we don't want to hurt
[1:04:56] anybody, but we can't, you know, we
[1:04:58] can't have that stuff uh happening. And
[1:05:00] you want to make a living.
[1:05:02] >> Correct.
[1:05:02] >> So, it puts us all in an awkward
[1:05:04] situation. So, I'm glad you bought the
[1:05:07] scanner. Uh, I'm glad you're doing the
[1:05:09] trainings. Um, not sure how this is
[1:05:12] going to go, but and I'm glad you're
[1:05:14] here tonight. Thank you.
[1:05:15] >> Thank you.
[1:05:17] Member Tras.
[1:05:19] Um, so the statement was made, mistakes
[1:05:23] happen. In this case, mistakes can
[1:05:25] literally cause lives. Overserving or
[1:05:29] serving an a minor can cost someone
[1:05:31] their lives. And not not just the person
[1:05:33] who's being served, but innocent people.
[1:05:36] >> So, I take this very seriously and I I'm
[1:05:39] Your history is a spotted one. You've
[1:05:42] had you've served four days of
[1:05:44] suspension over the past two years,
[1:05:46] three years. Um, so it doesn't it
[1:05:51] doesn't feel to me like this is
[1:05:53] something that is
[1:05:55] key to to your training to to your to
[1:05:58] your uh auditing to whatever it might be
[1:06:01] that prevents you. It is your
[1:06:02] livelihood. I get that and I understand
[1:06:04] that that the um impact it will have on
[1:06:07] your business if we make a decision. Um
[1:06:10] I'm going to recommend one. I'm going to
[1:06:12] make a motion for a specific uh um
[1:06:14] decision. And I know from being on this
[1:06:17] board as long as I have been on this
[1:06:18] board that when you got that one day
[1:06:20] liquor license violation in 23, it was
[1:06:25] after you had another license another
[1:06:26] violation that we would have given you a
[1:06:29] day in obeyance or given you the warning
[1:06:30] shot. Warning shots are gone at this
[1:06:33] point for me. Um so I um did you say you
[1:06:37] just bought the scanner since this
[1:06:39] happened? We used to have an scanner and
[1:06:41] it broke off when we opened the
[1:06:42] restaurant in 2020.
[1:06:44] >> So you had a scanner?
[1:06:45] >> We had a scanner and it was like
[1:06:48] >> it had like
[1:06:50] it wasn't working for like a year. So I
[1:06:53] ordered another one.
[1:06:58] that that doesn't that doesn't mllify me
[1:07:01] in any manner because that means you
[1:07:02] went a year knowingly not having a
[1:07:04] scanner
[1:07:06] and your people obviously are not
[1:07:10] especially if they've worked there for a
[1:07:11] year that means that person must have
[1:07:12] gone through the training a couple of
[1:07:14] times based on your schedule
[1:07:17] and still miss the opportunity to do the
[1:07:20] right thing. Um,
[1:07:22] I I I'm each of these are going to be
[1:07:25] judged on their own merit and in this
[1:07:27] case the merit is you're a repeat
[1:07:29] offender as it were and I'm concerned
[1:07:32] about that.
[1:07:33] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll
[1:07:35] >> Thank you. Uh, this is a public hearing.
[1:07:37] Anybody in the public or the audience
[1:07:39] has any questions or comments?
[1:07:43] Hear none.
[1:07:43] >> Close the public hearing.
[1:07:45] >> Second the motion.
[1:07:46] >> All those in favor say I.
[1:07:48] >> I. Okay. back to the board.
[1:07:51] >> Mr. Chairman, I move we um initiate a
[1:07:53] 3-day suspension to be served.
[1:07:58] >> Second.
[1:08:00] >> So, I have a motion and that has been
[1:08:02] seconded. Uh 3-day suspension to be
[1:08:05] served.
[1:08:07] Any other comments, questions?
[1:08:10] >> I'd make a mo I'd make a motion for a
[1:08:12] one-day suspension.
[1:08:14] >> Well, we have a motion.
[1:08:15] >> We have a motion on the table.
[1:08:16] >> You can you can make an amendment.
[1:08:18] >> Make an amendment. I'll amend it to one
[1:08:19] [snorts] day.
[1:08:21] >> Okay. The motion has been amended to one
[1:08:23] day suspension to be served.
[1:08:25] >> To be served.
[1:08:26] >> Okay. Do I have a second?
[1:08:30] >> Hear none. So, we go back to the main
[1:08:32] motion which is a three-day suspension
[1:08:34] to be served. Any further questions?
[1:08:38] >> Comments?
[1:08:39] Yes.
[1:08:40] >> Thank you. Um,
[1:08:43] I always thought that the process with
[1:08:46] the police announcing, thank you,
[1:08:49] announcing that there'd be a compliance
[1:08:51] check. They get it through into as many
[1:08:55] business as they can. The majority
[1:08:58] do the right thing. They check the IDs.
[1:09:01] They don't serve the minor. But maybe
[1:09:04] we're not being thorough enough,
[1:09:07] demanding enough of our businesses if
[1:09:10] we're having four people the same
[1:09:12] compliance check fail. Two uh repeat
[1:09:16] vendors in the last year and this poor
[1:09:19] gentleman's business is a multi-time
[1:09:22] repeat.
[1:09:24] I that's why I'm supporting the three
[1:09:26] days served. Maybe by changing our
[1:09:30] thought process, we can stop these
[1:09:33] unfortunate incidents.
[1:09:35] >> And if I might, Mr. Chair, one of the
[1:09:36] reasons I also offered three days is I
[1:09:38] failed to mention that this was the same
[1:09:39] manager at the time of the other
[1:09:41] offenses. If we've given latitude if the
[1:09:45] business has changed hands or changed
[1:09:46] managers, we haven't held new managers
[1:09:48] accountable for old manager actions. In
[1:09:50] this case, it's the same manager.
[1:09:51] >> Okay. Thank you. Any further questions,
[1:09:53] comments? Uh, madame clerk, do do we
[1:09:57] have to choose the date in the motion or
[1:09:59] that happens after or does the motion
[1:10:02] how does that work?
[1:10:04] >> You could you could do it either way.
[1:10:05] You would want
[1:10:06] >> then I I I would I would I would enhance
[1:10:08] mine to say within 3 months
[1:10:11] and they can choose the date.
[1:10:15] » Who chooses the date?
[1:10:16] >> They they can choose the date.
[1:10:18] >> So what with town crack on the date? Is
[1:10:21] that what we're saying? I I'd rather
[1:10:24] take a vote on the original motion than
[1:10:27] talk about the dates.
[1:10:28] >> Okay. So, the original motion is to
[1:10:31] serve 3-day suspension.
[1:10:33] >> Mhm.
[1:10:35] >> Any further discussions?
[1:10:38] >> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I
[1:10:41] oppose.
[1:10:42] >> No.
[1:10:43] >> That's 41.
[1:10:45] >> As to dates, 3 months is a pretty long
[1:10:48] time.
[1:10:49] >> Okay. Shorten it. Give a date. I I I
[1:10:51] I'll go with it along with what you'd
[1:10:52] like.
[1:10:53] >> Um
[1:10:55] uh through you, Mr. Chair, to the clerk.
[1:10:58] Um what is the time limit on any appeals
[1:11:01] that they may or may not choose to?
[1:11:05] >> The license holder would have five
[1:11:07] business days from the receipt of the
[1:11:09] letter informing them of the decision.
[1:11:12] So if you were to go out say two weeks,
[1:11:14] that would give ample time for all of
[1:11:16] that to happen. So,
[1:11:18] >> and is the ABCC
[1:11:20] speedy enough to hear this?
[1:11:23] >> They would have to file it within five
[1:11:24] business days.
[1:11:25] >> Okay.
[1:11:26] >> With the ABC.
[1:11:29] >> Okay. So, if they What I'm saying is the
[1:11:32] ABCC could take an opportunity to
[1:11:33] overturn this. Certainly, we've had that
[1:11:35] happen in the past.
[1:11:36] >> Correct. And so do we wait for that to h
[1:11:40] so at the end of 5 days it would take
[1:11:41] effect or if they do appeal it do we
[1:11:44] have to wait a certain amount of time
[1:11:46] before ABCC renders its decision?
[1:11:48] >> If they file an appeal with the ABCC
[1:11:51] within five business days that is like a
[1:11:54] stay of execution for the suspension.
[1:11:57] You would have to pause the suspension
[1:11:59] until the ABCC heard it. So I would
[1:12:02] motion that we have them serve the three
[1:12:04] days within starting in two weeks.
[1:12:09] >> What are we saying? Two weeks. What
[1:12:10] date?
[1:12:11] >> So this is today. Two weeks would be
[1:12:13] somewhere in here.
[1:12:18] » Yeah, I'll probably say I'll probably
[1:12:20] say um
[1:12:26] » maybe the 8 to the 10.
[1:12:28] >> Well, that's this is Sunday.
[1:12:30] >> Oh, no. um the nine.
[1:12:32] >> And now you're in November, right?
[1:12:33] >> Yeah. November 9th to November 11th.
[1:12:36] >> It's okay by me.
[1:12:36] >> It gives them ample time to
[1:12:38] >> 11 is a holiday, right?
[1:12:40] >> I don't know. Is it
[1:12:42] >> November 11th is Veterans Day?
[1:12:44] >> Veterans Day. So
[1:12:45] >> should
[1:12:45] >> they don't close on Veterans Day?
[1:12:48] >> Close or
[1:12:49] >> No.
[1:12:52] » So it's
[1:12:53] >> if if the motion's for 9 to Mr.
[1:12:55] Bernard's mo um sorry Mr. Bennett's
[1:12:58] motion is from 9th the 9th to 11th. I'm
[1:13:00] fine.
[1:13:00] >> I would be fine with that.
[1:13:01] >> I don't think so. You could ask.
[1:13:04] >> So, um, again, this this is the least
[1:13:08] favorite part of at least personally of
[1:13:10] my job and I'm sure most people here,
[1:13:12] but serving to an underage even by our
[1:13:16] regulations is one of the worst thing
[1:13:18] that an an establishment could do
[1:13:21] >> and and we are hoping that maybe use
[1:13:24] these days for training or or whatever
[1:13:26] needs to happen just cut everybody. Uh
[1:13:30] we don't want to see this happen again.
[1:13:33] Um so we can say the nine to the 11.
[1:13:38] Um would that I think that works.
[1:13:41] >> I think that would work. I would suggest
[1:13:42] you vote on it just to make sure that
[1:13:44] >> So I entertain a motion then.
[1:13:46] >> My motion is they serve the three days
[1:13:47] November 9 to the 11th.
[1:13:50] >> Do I have a second?
[1:13:51] >> Second.
[1:13:51] >> Any other discussions? All those in
[1:13:53] favor say I.
[1:13:54] >> I. Just noted that it's Monday, Tuesday,
[1:13:57] Wednesday. Mhm.
[1:13:59] >> So,
[1:13:59] >> we can't be more lenient than that,
[1:14:00] Mike.
[1:14:01] >> Yeah. No, exactly. That's what I'm
[1:14:03] saying.
[1:14:04] >> That's [snorts] all. Thank you.
[1:14:05] >> Okay.
[1:14:06] >> So,
[1:14:07] >> all those in favor say I.
[1:14:09] >> I oppose.
[1:14:10] >> Okay.
[1:14:11] >> Marvin, you were you were Yes.
[1:14:13] >> You opposed. Thank you.
[1:14:14] >> 41.
[1:14:16] >> Thank you.
[1:14:17] >> Okay.
[1:14:19] Thank you.
[1:14:20] >> Thank you.
[1:14:22] >> Next.
[1:14:27] A public hearing will be held under
[1:14:28] chapter 138 of the MGL to consider
[1:14:30] whether the license to sell alcohol
[1:14:32] beverages held by Danverse Cappies Inc.
[1:14:35] doing business as Cappy's Fine Wine and
[1:14:37] Spirits at 158 Andover Street. Barendra
[1:14:41] Patel manager should be suspended,
[1:14:43] revoked, or limited in any way.
[1:14:46] >> Yes, sir. You want to introduce
[1:14:48] yourself?
[1:14:48] >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening,
[1:14:50] members of the board. Uh Tom Miller from
[1:14:52] Mcdermic Quilty, Miller and Hanley here
[1:14:54] uh in Boston here on behalf of uh Danver
[1:14:57] Cappy's Inc. Uh I'm joined tonight by
[1:15:00] Verendra Patel, the manager of record
[1:15:02] and owner uh as well as Brian Dodge, the
[1:15:04] clerk uh who was on that night uh who
[1:15:08] was working that night. Um Verendra and
[1:15:11] the Cappy's team wanted me to reiterate
[1:15:13] that they do understand the
[1:15:14] responsibility and the privilege of
[1:15:16] selling alcohol. Um
[1:15:19] [snorts]
[1:15:20] this incident on the 28th was an
[1:15:22] outlier. Uh if you ask Brian um he would
[1:15:26] say it was a lapse of judgment. He has
[1:15:28] worked at Kappies for more than a
[1:15:30] decade. Uh eight years of which he was a
[1:15:33] manager. He understands the
[1:15:34] responsibilities. He understood what was
[1:15:36] supposed to happen, what's supposed to
[1:15:37] be done, and he just had a bad night and
[1:15:40] he made a mistake. Um he, you know, I
[1:15:44] lucky him. I got to ask him a bunch of
[1:15:46] questions and he did not have a good
[1:15:48] explanation as to why it happened. Just
[1:15:50] made a mistake and unfortunately that's
[1:15:53] why we're here tonight. Um
[1:15:56] to that end he uh about a year ago he
[1:16:00] stopped working full-time at Cappies as
[1:16:02] he found another full-time job after
[1:16:04] this incident. He felt that he had left
[1:16:05] uh Mr. let Mr. Patel and Cappies in
[1:16:08] general down and he decided he was no
[1:16:10] longer going to work there and do this
[1:16:11] anymore of his own valition. Um after
[1:16:14] the incident uh Mr. or sorry I apologize
[1:16:18] uh Mr. Patel uh has retrained his staff.
[1:16:20] He has emphasized the importance of
[1:16:23] checking every ID every time. Um he
[1:16:26] reaffirmed it all and uh re reertified
[1:16:30] every staff member with tips training.
[1:16:32] Um he continues to uh remind every staff
[1:16:36] member before every shift that every ID
[1:16:39] every person every time. Um and that's
[1:16:43] not just check ID, it's scan ID as well.
[1:16:45] They do have a scanner and operate them
[1:16:46] as well uh operate as well. Um and they
[1:16:49] have also uh at at the suggestion um of
[1:16:53] the town provided signage and place
[1:16:55] signage around the store reminding all
[1:16:57] those who come in that ID for everybody
[1:16:58] will be checked every time. Um
[1:17:01] I just I know you have a long agenda
[1:17:03] tonight so I will not keep going on but
[1:17:05] overall Mr. Mr. Patel and his staff
[1:17:08] [music] understand
[1:17:10] what happened, not exactly why, but
[1:17:12] there was a lapse in judgment and they
[1:17:14] are and to that [music] end, they are
[1:17:16] working very hard to correct that action
[1:17:18] and make sure that it doesn't happen
[1:17:19] again going forward. Um, with that, I'd
[1:17:22] be happy to answer any questions you
[1:17:23] have.
[1:17:24] >> Sure. Thank you. Uh so just uh to remind
[1:17:28] the board um on June 3rd, 2025 and under
[1:17:33] age patron purchase alcohol without age
[1:17:37] verification. Uh during uh an August 12,
[1:17:40] 2025 hearing, the board found that um
[1:17:44] existing safeguards had failed. The
[1:17:48] board voted to impose a one-day
[1:17:50] suspension held in a ban for 12 months.
[1:17:54] So that was August 12, 2025.
[1:17:57] Um, so the current violation occur on
[1:18:00] July 27, 2026 and the store again on
[1:18:05] that day sold alcohol to a person under
[1:18:08] 21 year without requesting
[1:18:11] identification while the 2025 suspension
[1:18:15] was still in the bands. Uh, board
[1:18:18] members questions, comments, I will
[1:18:20] start by member Task.
[1:18:22] >> Thank you. Um, and I think that uh
[1:18:27] I I I look to the board's thoughts on uh
[1:18:31] I'm going to treat these as two separate
[1:18:33] things. The held in obeyance as opposed
[1:18:34] to the this incident. Um I'm going to
[1:18:37] suggest that the um within a year is
[1:18:40] unacceptable.
[1:18:42] Um and well it's just just just over a
[1:18:46] year. This happened I'm sorry, what date
[1:18:47] did this happen on? Most recent event
[1:18:50] >> July.
[1:18:50] 27th.
[1:18:51] So it was within the one
[1:18:53] year. Um so the one day held in obeyance
[1:18:56] is fade to complete. It's there is no
[1:18:59] argument of that one. There's no debate
[1:19:01] of that one. There's no appeal for that
[1:19:02] one to the ABCC. That was accepted as a
[1:19:05] condition of our of the board back then
[1:19:08] in in um a August. Um, so, um, this is a
[1:19:14] repeat offense and I'm concerned about a
[1:19:17] repeat offense in such a short time
[1:19:18] frame and I appreciate that it could be
[1:19:20] the lapse of one person. Um, and uh, each of these are going to be
[1:19:27] different scenarios with different
[1:19:29] factors, but I'll I'll hold till to make
[1:19:31] a a motion later. Thank you.
[1:19:33] >> Mr. Chair, I apologize and I don't mean
[1:19:36] to interrupt. Uh, just to address one
[1:19:37] concern.
[1:19:38] >> No, hold on. Uh, do you have a question
[1:19:40] for him? No, if I I would like to
[1:19:43] address something that Mr. Tras brought
[1:19:44] up.
[1:19:45] >> I'll give you a chance to if you want to
[1:19:47] shove down some notes, I'll give you a
[1:19:48] chance to address that in a minute.
[1:19:50] Member Bean
[1:19:52] >> uh Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um do you folks
[1:19:55] use the scanner all the time or um
[1:19:57] >> how's that work?
[1:19:59] >> The the goal is that uh but as the um
[1:20:06] it doesn't happen all the time. uh um
[1:20:09] customers, anyone under you know looking
[1:20:12] young the ID is asked for it is checked
[1:20:15] it um to the extent the clerks remember
[1:20:17] prior to this incident scanner wasn't
[1:20:20] used as much as it should have been uh
[1:20:22] after this incident it has been um Mr.
[1:20:25] Patel and his staff have reiterated
[1:20:27] the fact that this every time uh ID is
[1:20:30] checked it a scam. Uh it the
[1:20:34] [clears throat] since last year uh the
[1:20:38] staff received um push back from
[1:20:41] customers who felt they were uh of a
[1:20:45] certain vintage that they did not need
[1:20:46] to be IDed. uh they were resentful of
[1:20:49] that fact. Uh and um expressed that to
[1:20:52] staff uh in ways that were not always um
[1:20:56] courteous. Uh Mr. Patel has actually
[1:20:58] lost staff because of that. [music] Uh
[1:20:59] they did not like the way the way they
[1:21:01] were addressed. Uh that did cause some
[1:21:03] staff members to stop asking people for
[1:21:05] IDs during [music] times uh during that process. Uh since that time
[1:21:10] again has been reiterated and staff is
[1:21:12] now IDing and scanning. Um the scanners
[1:21:15] are you know to address something that
[1:21:17] came up they are not uh 100% um they
[1:21:20] [clears throat] they depending on the
[1:21:22] scanner you purchase uh none of them
[1:21:25] actually directly access at least the
[1:21:27] Massachusetts registry uh because of as
[1:21:29] the chief expressed Corey and um uh
[1:21:32] privacy laws uh they read the barcodes
[1:21:36] on the back the QR the it's not a QR
[1:21:38] code but the matrix on the back to check
[1:21:40] and see uh if they appear to be valid.
[1:21:43] Um,
[1:21:45] some will access publicly available data
[1:21:47] from other states depending on which
[1:21:49] model you buy, uh, and who what states
[1:21:51] they have contracts with. Um, but no, no
[1:21:54] scanner is 100% effective.
[1:21:55] >> How long does the scan take?
[1:21:57] >> Uh, anywhere from depending on the way,
[1:22:01] not not quite 20 years, but um,
[1:22:04] depending on the the type of scanner, it
[1:22:06] can be instantaneous. It's just reading
[1:22:08] the material in the back and not
[1:22:09] actually checking anything up to uh
[1:22:13] couple up to a minute maybe depending.
[1:22:16] >> Okay. All right. No, that's all my
[1:22:18] questions. Thank you.
[1:22:19] >> Thank you. Uh member Bennett.
[1:22:21] >> Thank you. As I recall, when Mr. Patel
[1:22:24] was before us last year, um he blamed
[1:22:26] himself because he was in the back room
[1:22:29] when the incident happened and he
[1:22:32] assured us that these things would not
[1:22:33] happen again. Yet, here he is. I'm going
[1:22:36] to recommend that um we have them
[1:22:39] served.
[1:22:39] >> Uh hold on. Before you make the motion,
[1:22:41] if we can hear from everyone.
[1:22:43] >> Okay.
[1:22:44] >> So, any questions for the
[1:22:45] >> Well, I have no questions,
[1:22:47] >> member. Um
[1:22:48] >> yeah, we talk about mistakes again. Um
[1:22:51] the training have pe has your staff been
[1:22:54] trained again?
[1:22:55] >> Yes.
[1:22:56] >> I have certification for
[1:22:58] >> how often do they get trained?
[1:23:00] >> I mean, he reiterates every before every
[1:23:02] shift the the requirements. Uh there you
[1:23:04] have the the books available for ID, you
[1:23:07] know, checking and the use of the the
[1:23:10] >> um scanner is is uh anytime any staff
[1:23:14] member has a question, he goes over the training on that again as well.
[1:23:17] >> And he's present at the training. He
[1:23:18] conducts the training himself.
[1:23:20] >> Conduct the training.
[1:23:21] >> Yeah.
[1:23:21] >> Yes.
[1:23:22] >> Okay. All right. That's it. Dave for
[1:23:24] now.
[1:23:24] >> Thank you. Uh so this is a public
[1:23:26] hearing. Anybody in the public who has a
[1:23:28] questions, comments
[1:23:30] close them public.
[1:23:32] >> Second the motion. Yep. All those in
[1:23:34] favor say I. I oppos. Okay. 50. Uh yes,
[1:23:38] you had a comment.
[1:23:40] >> Yeah. Just related to
[1:23:41] >> address it to the chair, please.
[1:23:42] >> Yes, Mr. Chair, through you. Um just to
[1:23:45] address the uh the previous incident. Uh
[1:23:47] that incident occurred in June, I
[1:23:49] believe June 25th of 2025 uh or
[1:23:52] thereabouts. And the the
[1:23:55] um violation was found in August. uh to
[1:23:59] that end. You know, this incident took
[1:24:02] place in July, more than a year past the
[1:24:03] other incident, and we are hearing more
[1:24:05] than a year beyond. Um the the year in
[1:24:08] obeyance has uh expired based on those
[1:24:11] timelines. [music] No violation was
[1:24:12] found in the year since the board issued
[1:24:14] their decision last year.
[1:24:16] >> We issued
[1:24:17] >> Hold on, hold on. I don't think he's
[1:24:18] done.
[1:24:19] >> So, and the you issued your decision in
[1:24:23] August and the no violation was found
[1:24:26] during [music] the year during that
[1:24:27] period. we are here today whether the
[1:24:30] board finds a violation or not to that
[1:24:32] end just just
[1:24:35] lay out the the timeline and and the the
[1:24:38] standards so to speak.
[1:24:39] >> Okay.
[1:24:40] >> Can I ask for clarity Mr. Chairman when
[1:24:43] the issue that we are here tonight for
[1:24:45] what was the date of the compliance
[1:24:48] check? So the
[1:24:51] if I'm understanding what he's saying,
[1:24:54] the prior compliance check was on June
[1:24:58] 3rd, 2025.
[1:25:00] >> We made a decision.
[1:25:01] on August 12th
[1:25:03] >> in the in the one-year start the time we
[1:25:06] make that decision. I'm asking you what
[1:25:08] was the date of this year's compliance?
[1:25:10] >> July 27th.
[1:25:12] >> So it was in within the year from the
[1:25:14] August date in which we imposed the the
[1:25:17] decision. That's correct. So, uh, and I
[1:25:20] don't know if this is Sorry to put you
[1:25:22] on the spot here, J or Madame Town
[1:25:25] Clerk. What the applicant is arguing is
[1:25:28] that the prior decision, and I don't
[1:25:31] know if it's for the chief, the prior
[1:25:33] violation occur on June 3rd, 2025.
[1:25:38] The hearing was in August, August 12th.
[1:25:43] So what he's arguing is that from June
[1:25:47] 3rd to July 27 is more than one year. So
[1:25:51] is the one year based on the day the
[1:25:53] hearing was held or is it based on the
[1:25:57] day the violation occur?
[1:25:59] >> Tom Clark can answer.
[1:26:00] >> Chief Chief, can you enlight us on that?
[1:26:03] Um
[1:26:04] >> again, that would probably be a question
[1:26:05] for legal counsel. Um my opinion would
[1:26:08] be
[1:26:09] >> the due process reasons if we
[1:26:11] >> just implemented it based on my original
[1:26:14] report and not had a hearing for him to
[1:26:16] have a say I think that would have been
[1:26:18] fair. I think the date that we used
[1:26:20] provided him opportunity to come in
[1:26:21] speak to the board discuss what steps he
[1:26:24] took and the board made a decision.
[1:26:25] Again I would recommend legal counsel
[1:26:27] make a final ruling but I would think
[1:26:29] that would be from the date of the
[1:26:31] >> the the the hearing.
[1:26:33] >> Thank you. I think madame clerk might
[1:26:34] have some information on that.
[1:26:36] >> I do. I have the minutes from the
[1:26:38] meeting from Octo uh August 12, 2025 and
[1:26:41] the minutes indicate that it was to
[1:26:44] impose a one-day suspension held in
[1:26:46] obeyance for 12 months from the date of
[1:26:48] the letter following tonight's meeting.
[1:26:51] >> Mhm.
[1:26:52] >> Which would have made it
[1:26:53] >> and Mr. Chair through you I I
[1:26:55] >> hold on if you can finish that please.
[1:26:57] >> Um second and and um and voted.
[1:27:00] >> Okay.
[1:27:01] So the the the minute reflects that it
[1:27:04] was 12 years 12 months I'm sorry date of
[1:27:07] the letter
[1:27:07] >> from August 12, 2025.
[1:27:10] >> Mhm.
[1:27:11] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:12] >> Yes.
[1:27:12] >> Just my point being um No, as of
[1:27:17] tonight, you know, as of yesterday or as
[1:27:20] of assuming the letter came seven days
[1:27:22] later, uh August 19th was when the year
[1:27:25] started. The year ended on August 19th
[1:27:28] of this year. The dec any violation will
[1:27:31] be found as of tonight
[1:27:34] 15 14 months after that August date.
[1:27:37] That is my
[1:27:39] >> if I could let him speak. I'm sorry.
[1:27:42] >> That's it. So that that the
[1:27:45] >> from the point
[1:27:46] >> where the violation is found, no new
[1:27:48] violation has been found within that
[1:27:49] year. That was
[1:27:51] >> okay. I I think I think I think that's
[1:27:53] your interpretation. um based on our
[1:27:57] minutes and um the regulations and based
[1:28:02] on the minutes of the meeting of August
[1:28:05] 12.
[1:28:06] >> Mhm.
[1:28:07] >> We did indicate that it was 12 months as
[1:28:10] of August 12, 2025 and that's the
[1:28:12] decision this board can make. We can we can say 18 months, we can say 6
[1:28:17] months.
[1:28:18] >> So we are not bound by any 12 months. We
[1:28:21] had decided that it was starting, it
[1:28:24] doesn't matter when you got the letter,
[1:28:26] it was starting on August 12, 2025.
[1:28:30] July 27, 2026 is within one year. And
[1:28:34] that's what we're going to go by.
[1:28:35] >> Okay.
[1:28:36] >> Could I ask you through through you to
[1:28:37] the town clerk to just read the motion
[1:28:39] again because I think that will add
[1:28:41] clarity.
[1:28:42] >> The the the uh motion that was made.
[1:28:48] » Select board member Jooko. Motion to
[1:28:50] impose a 1-day suspension held in
[1:28:52] obeyance for 12 months from the date of
[1:28:55] the letter following tonight's meeting
[1:28:58] seconded by select board member Bennett
[1:29:00] and voted 32.
[1:29:02] >> Okay. So that means 5 days after that
[1:29:05] date when they received the letter.
[1:29:08] That's the start point. The end point is
[1:29:10] one year from that if there was an
[1:29:12] infraction within that year. Doesn't
[1:29:13] matter that we're hearing this several
[1:29:15] weeks later. The infraction happened
[1:29:17] within the 12 months. A second
[1:29:20] infraction happened within 12 months.
[1:29:22] And that's the case. Had they come
[1:29:25] before us tonight and and said they were
[1:29:27] not responsible for tonight's though the most recent event, we would have a
[1:29:33] different discussion, but they've
[1:29:35] admitted to the that it happened and it
[1:29:37] happened within the actual offense
[1:29:39] happened within the year.
[1:29:41] >> Yeah. No, I I think I think that's what
[1:29:43] a minute reflects and that's what we
[1:29:44] will go by. Obviously, they have uh an
[1:29:47] opportunity to appeal to the ABC. I will
[1:29:50] entertain a motion.
[1:29:53] >> Did Dan, did you say you had wanted a
[1:29:56] motion?
[1:29:57] >> Well, we have uh two issues here.
[1:30:01] >> The first one is the day that was held
[1:30:03] in obeyance that needs to be served and
[1:30:07] then we need to discuss and make a
[1:30:09] motion on the second of
[1:30:10] >> All right. Then I'd like to make a
[1:30:11] motion that we that we u
[1:30:13] >> well we can make it in the same motion.
[1:30:15] >> No, I I think for clarity I if you don't
[1:30:18] mind I'd like to make it two different
[1:30:19] things. So the first motion would be to suspend the license for one day to be
[1:30:25] served two weeks from two weeks from now
[1:30:27] whatever the date is.
[1:30:28] >> I think we had decide we can do the date
[1:30:30] after. So we just do the motion for the
[1:30:34] suspension if any and then we can do
[1:30:36] another one for the
[1:30:37] >> I move we impose the one-day suspension
[1:30:39] for the previous infraction
[1:30:41] >> to be served.
[1:30:44] >> Second.
[1:30:46] >> Okay. Any further discussions?
[1:30:50] Hear none. All those in favor say I.
[1:30:53] >> I.
[1:30:53] recom then I would like to motion that
[1:30:55] we do that two weeks from now.
[1:30:57] >> That was 50 correct.
[1:30:58] >> Okay. Thank you. two weeks from now
[1:31:00] pending their opportunity to go to the
[1:31:02] ABCC, but I don't believe that's an
[1:31:04] opportunity at this point. But I I'm not
[1:31:06] going to fall on
[1:31:07] >> talking about the date.
[1:31:08] >> Yes.
[1:31:08] >> Okay. So, um
[1:31:14] if if you're going exactly two weeks, it
[1:31:16] would be October
[1:31:18] 20th.
[1:31:19] >> It doesn't have to be exact.
[1:31:20] >> So, that's October 20th.
[1:31:22] >> I like November 13th.
[1:31:24] >> Okay.
[1:31:25] November 13th is a Friday. Is that where
[1:31:29] you're going with that?
[1:31:30] >> Yes.
[1:31:31] >> I amend my motion to November 13th then.
[1:31:34] >> The 13th.
[1:31:35] >> I mean, we did the other one from the
[1:31:37] 9th to the 11th. Can we do the nine?
[1:31:39] >> Well, the 11th I thought was a
[1:31:41] >> It's a holiday, Veterans Day.
[1:31:42] >> Is it a Wednesday?
[1:31:43] >> Wednesday. Yeah.
[1:31:44] >> Okay. So, I was Thursday would be the
[1:31:46] 12th.
[1:31:48] >> It's a different scenario.
[1:31:50] I I agree. I So, I'll amend what I uh
[1:31:53] motion to be the 12th. November 12th to
[1:31:55] be served on November 12th.
[1:31:59] » So who made the motion?
[1:32:01] >> I did.
[1:32:02] >> I second.
[1:32:02] >> Are you second? Okay. Any further
[1:32:04] discussions?
[1:32:07] » The chair can amend the motion, right?
[1:32:10] >> Sure.
[1:32:11] >> I amend that we put it on the nine which
[1:32:14] is when we starting the previous uh
[1:32:17] the previous one [clears throat]
[1:32:19] Monday the 9.
[1:32:23] Someone has to second my motion or
[1:32:26] >> No, they [laughter] don't have to.
[1:32:28] >> So, we're not hearing a second.
[1:32:30] >> I'll second that.
[1:32:31] >> Okay.
[1:32:32] >> Someone It's a Monday the 9th.
[1:32:33] >> Yeah. Monday the 9th.
[1:32:35] >> Okay.
[1:32:37] So, the motion has been seconded.
[1:32:40] So, we doing the we're having them serve
[1:32:42] the one day in the main on November the
[1:32:45] 9.
[1:32:46] >> Serving the one day. Yes. Serving not
[1:32:48] the invance.
[1:32:49] >> Any other discussions?
[1:32:52] All those in favor say I. I.
[1:32:55] >> Okay.
[1:32:56] >> Whoops.
[1:32:56] >> So that was five.
[1:32:57] >> Looks like it was three. I was going to
[1:32:59] say no.
[1:33:00] >> I Yes.
[1:33:01] >> So is that 5 or
[1:33:03] >> no?
[1:33:04] >> So 41.
[1:33:05] >> I'm saying no.
[1:33:05] >> Okay.
[1:33:06] >> Did Dan say yes?
[1:33:07] >> Yes.
[1:33:07] >> Okay. I just couldn't. Okay. Fine.
[1:33:09] >> 41. 41 ask. Okay. Thank you.
[1:33:11] >> Or the nine. Monday the nine.
[1:33:13] >> Monday the 9th. Yep. And now on the
[1:33:15] issue before us this evening, uh, for
[1:33:18] the most recent, uh, I move we give them
[1:33:20] a three-day uh, suspension, two days to
[1:33:24] be held in advance, one day to be
[1:33:26] served.
[1:33:31] » Second.
[1:33:32] >> Three days. Three days.
[1:33:34] >> Three days in a
[1:33:35] >> two in advance, one to be served.
[1:33:38] >> We consider abance to be 24 months.
[1:33:42] 12
[1:33:43] >> 12 12
[1:33:43] >> 12 months
[1:33:44] >> only 12
[1:33:45] >> yeah we the clock is if you if you're
[1:33:48] within a year
[1:33:49] >> so I think we should stay steady with
[1:33:51] that we've done it for 20 something
[1:33:53] years
[1:33:53] >> as of today
[1:33:55] >> as of the five as of the 5 days after
[1:33:58] the clerk gets the letter out
[1:34:00] [clears throat] so as of tonight plus
[1:34:02] the the recorded date 12 months two days
[1:34:06] held in obeyance for 12 months one day
[1:34:08] to be served
[1:34:09] >> so today's the Six.
[1:34:11] >> Would you go with that one?
[1:34:12] >> So, as of the 10
[1:34:15] >> or the they're going to serve that.
[1:34:18] >> When do we start the 12 months?
[1:34:21] >> Oh, well, I get the letter out.
[1:34:23] >> Yeah.
[1:34:23] >> So, today is the 6th.
[1:34:26] >> 1 2
[1:34:28] 3.
[1:34:31] I mean, they'll have it by the 13th.
[1:34:33] >> So, as of the 13th. So, the
[1:34:35] >> So, as of November 13th, 2027.
[1:34:37] >> October 13. You mean
[1:34:39] >> October 13, 2027.
[1:34:40] >> Okay. So 12 months
[1:34:42] >> student obeyance until October 13, 2027.
[1:34:44] C
[1:34:45] >> can I amend that?
[1:34:47] >> So that has been seconded, right?
[1:34:50] >> Madame Cler, did you get can you get
[1:34:52] clarification on that motion? Do you did
[1:34:54] do you have it?
[1:34:55] >> The motion right now is a 3-day
[1:34:57] suspension, one day to be served,
[1:35:00] two held in obeyance
[1:35:02] um through October 13, 2027.
[1:35:07] And can for complete clarity another
[1:35:10] infraction
[1:35:12] by that date because I don't want to
[1:35:16] have this other discussion about when we
[1:35:18] hear it
[1:35:20] without another incident before that
[1:35:22] date.
[1:35:22] >> That's what heling the being.
[1:35:24] >> Okay. All right. Then leave it the way
[1:35:25] it is.
[1:35:26] >> Okay. And you have a
[1:35:28] >> can I make an amendment?
[1:35:29] >> Sure.
[1:35:30] >> So uh the three days held in abance.
[1:35:36] So
[1:35:37] member bean is amending to
[1:35:40] give three days all three days held in
[1:35:43] the ban.
[1:35:45] >> Do I have a second?
[1:35:48] >> Second.
[1:35:50] >> Okay. So the amendment has been seconded
[1:35:54] and I don't think I've been doing that.
[1:35:56] So let's vote on the amendment.
[1:35:58] >> Comments
[1:35:58] >> as amended.
[1:35:59] >> Comments.
[1:36:00] >> Let's vote as amended. Yes. Comments.
[1:36:02] >> Comments as amended.
[1:36:03] >> Yes. Uh I was specific in my uh uh my
[1:36:07] choice on what I uh um originally
[1:36:09] motioned because this is a repeat
[1:36:11] offender. They're going to serve the the we gave them the latitude a year
[1:36:17] ago.
[1:36:19] Didn't happen. Failed. This is a repeat
[1:36:21] offender. And I didn't want to go too
[1:36:22] heavy-handed on them for 3 days suspend
[1:36:25] three days to be held. I thought this
[1:36:27] was a decent middle ground. And um I
[1:36:30] think we're taking a step backward if we
[1:36:32] then go back to 3 days held in the
[1:36:33] bands.
[1:36:35] >> Thank you. Any further discussions
[1:36:39] here? None. I mean I I do think either
[1:36:42] way
[1:36:45] the the idea here just so you understand
[1:36:47] Mr. Patel is it's not to punish
[1:36:50] businesses. I mean we want to be a town
[1:36:54] that is businessfriendly. We just want
[1:36:56] to make sure it's done safely.
[1:36:58] especially when it comes to our kids. Um
[1:37:02] so the idea is not that we want to
[1:37:05] punish but unfortunately when things
[1:37:08] like this happen we we have to make sure
[1:37:10] that people are held accountable.
[1:37:13] So
[1:37:14] if we give three days and you serve one
[1:37:17] now and two in a ban that means that
[1:37:19] within 12 months if you do it again then
[1:37:22] you serve the other two days. If we give
[1:37:24] three days head in a ban, that means
[1:37:27] within 12 months, if it happens again,
[1:37:29] you're serving three days. So, you're
[1:37:31] still going to serve three days within
[1:37:33] the next 12 months if this happen again
[1:37:36] regardless of either one of these
[1:37:38] motions. Uh just so you see how serious
[1:37:43] and important this is. uh from my
[1:37:46] perspective because we want to make sure
[1:37:49] that it doesn't happen that you do the
[1:37:51] training I would I'm leaning towards
[1:37:53] supporting the amended motion. Um but
[1:37:58] just understand that it means if it
[1:37:59] happens again you're going to serve all
[1:38:01] three days no questions asked.
[1:38:05] >> Mr. Chair and I appreciate the no
[1:38:07] questions asked but there's questions
[1:38:09] asked.
[1:38:10] >> The one day that we already held in the
[1:38:11] bay shouldn't even be a discussion
[1:38:12] tonight. That should be if done but
[1:38:15] >> but we're enforcing it. So we people can
[1:38:18] always ask questions but we will still
[1:38:20] come down to whatever the regulation
[1:38:22] says. So I do have an amended motion. So
[1:38:25] I'll go on and proceed with a vote. All
[1:38:27] those in favor of the amended motion to
[1:38:29] have the three days held in the ban say
[1:38:32] I. I oppose.
[1:38:35] >> No.
[1:38:36] >> That's 32.
[1:38:37] >> 32.
[1:38:38] >> Yes. And that date was going to be the
[1:38:40] held in obeyance is going through
[1:38:42] October 13 of 2027.
[1:38:44] >> That's correct.
[1:38:45] >> Thank you.
[1:38:47] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:38:49] >> Thank you.
[1:38:54] Next,
[1:39:02] a public hearing will be held under
[1:39:04] chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider
[1:39:06] whether the license to sell alcoholic
[1:39:08] beverages by US Sushi Inc. Doing
[1:39:11] business as J&J Asian Cuisine and Lounge
[1:39:14] at 156 Andover Street. Sheilong who
[1:39:18] manager should be suspended, revoked or
[1:39:21] limited in any way.
[1:39:24] >> Okay.
[1:39:25] >> Hi, good evening. Yes, my name is Shong
[1:39:27] Hill.
[1:39:28] >> Um,
[1:39:32] » so um just
[1:39:35] some information from to the board
[1:39:37] members. So on November 12th, 2025, an
[1:39:41] underage patron purchased
[1:39:44] uh a buttlight at the bar without being
[1:39:47] asked for identification. During the
[1:39:50] December 16, 2025 hearing, the board
[1:39:54] reviewed the license corrective actions
[1:39:58] and staff training, noting no documented
[1:40:02] issues since the license was issued in
[1:40:04] 2024. So that was their first one and
[1:40:07] the board voted voted 50 to impose a
[1:40:10] 1-day suspension held in a ban for one
[1:40:13] year. So the current violation occur on
[1:40:16] July 27, 2026
[1:40:19] approximately 7 months into uh the the
[1:40:24] period the grace period that they were
[1:40:26] given and the staff members serve
[1:40:29] alcohol to a person under 21 without uh
[1:40:33] identifications. So board members any
[1:40:36] questions comments? Member Bean,
[1:40:38] >> Mr. Chairman, can we hear from the Sure
[1:40:41] whether they've taken some remediation
[1:40:43] or whatever?
[1:40:43] >> Sure. Uh so what happened here and what
[1:40:45] are you doing about it? Thank you member
[1:40:48] T.
[1:40:49] >> Uh in that day the bartender he make uh
[1:40:52] he failed he make a mistake and
[1:40:58] my manager and me it also was there but
[1:41:02] happens happen. So, so sorry about that.
[1:41:07] And we later we we also have a
[1:41:10] retraining for everybody and the tape
[1:41:14] certificate right over here.
[1:41:16] >> Could I ask you to move closer to the
[1:41:17] microphone? It's hard to hear you. I'm
[1:41:19] sorry.
[1:41:19] >> Oh, sorry.
[1:41:20] >> That's all right.
[1:41:21] >> I I just returning for everybody. And
[1:41:23] the tip tip certificate right here. And we also put the the sign for the
[1:41:32] check ID and
[1:41:34] check the under 21 the sign for
[1:41:36] everywhere to let them see to see. So
[1:41:41] sometime they service they will see the
[1:41:43] sign like a check ID or under 21 the
[1:41:47] world like that.
[1:41:50] Okay. Thank you. Um board members
[1:41:53] questions comments. Remember Bean?
[1:41:57] >> Um, you folks have the scanner?
[1:42:00] >> No.
[1:42:01] >> But I have the the scanner can not not a
[1:42:05] scanner. It's like a flashlight, but
[1:42:07] they can check the real or not real.
[1:42:09] >> Okay.
[1:42:11] >> And I I know I heard you say that you
[1:42:13] did retraining.
[1:42:14] >> Yes.
[1:42:14] >> Okay.
[1:42:16] Um,
[1:42:18] no, no more questions. Thank you,
[1:42:20] >> member Bennett.
[1:42:22] >> No questions.
[1:42:24] Member Bernard.
[1:42:25] >> Yep. My same thing. Mistake. Um and you
[1:42:27] said you have retrained. Yes.
[1:42:29] >> And how often do you do it?
[1:42:32] >> Uh
[1:42:34] like like quarterly or semianually?
[1:42:37] Monthly.
[1:42:39] >> We just do that. We just did that.
[1:42:41] >> But is it ongoing? You continuously?
[1:42:43] >> Yeah. Probably uh six month I can do one
[1:42:46] more time.
[1:42:47] >> And you and you attend the training too.
[1:42:50] >> Yeah.
[1:42:50] >> Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:42:53] Member Twagers
[1:42:57] of record of one of the names on the
[1:42:59] liquor license in the building at the
[1:43:00] time?
[1:43:01] >> No, only me.
[1:43:02] >> But your name is the manager on the
[1:43:05] liquor license, right?
[1:43:06] >> Yeah.
[1:43:06] >> Were you in the building at the time?
[1:43:08] >> Yeah.
[1:43:09] >> Okay. And do you card everyone or do you
[1:43:13] have uh do you do you subjectively
[1:43:15] decide who you're going to card?
[1:43:17] >> You mean the tip certificate?
[1:43:19] >> No. When you card a patron, when someone
[1:43:21] comes into the restaurant, I've been in
[1:43:23] there. I like the restaurant. When
[1:43:24] someone comes in, do you card everyone
[1:43:27] or only people you think look under 21?
[1:43:30] >> Uh,
[1:43:32] >> I think what he's asking is, do you ask
[1:43:34] everybody for ID
[1:43:36] >> or only the people that look old?
[1:43:38] >> Yeah, last time I uh last time I said
[1:43:41] it's under like 40 also. Right now I was
[1:43:44] telling them like also like under under
[1:43:46] 40
[1:43:48] they under 40 let them all check the
[1:43:51] IDs.
[1:43:52] >> Okay. And I think last time well
[1:43:55] actually
[1:43:56] all right. Um thank you. Thank you.
[1:43:59] Let's take my questions Mr. Chairman.
[1:44:01] >> Thank you. Uh this is a public hearing.
[1:44:03] Anybody in the public has a questions,
[1:44:05] comments?
[1:44:06] >> Motion to close the public hearing.
[1:44:08] >> Second.
[1:44:09] >> All those in favor say I. I.
[1:44:11] >> I.
[1:44:12] >> Okay. 50. Uh back to the board. Uh I'll
[1:44:15] entertain a motion.
[1:44:16] >> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to do the first
[1:44:17] motion, which is to impose the one day
[1:44:19] suspended license to be served
[1:44:22] >> under the same conditions as we had pre
[1:44:24] uh as the last motion.
[1:44:26] >> Okay. So, one day to be served. Uh that
[1:44:30] was seconded. Any other questions,
[1:44:33] comments?
[1:44:34] >> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.
[1:44:38] >> Then, Mr. Chairman, I move again um
[1:44:43] seeing the will of the board, I'll make
[1:44:45] a motion that we do 3 days held in
[1:44:46] advance.
[1:44:47] >> Uh can we choose can we do a motion on
[1:44:49] the date?
[1:44:50] >> Oh, sure. Uh I move that we do the same
[1:44:52] similar date that we did for the last uh
[1:44:54] >> So that's November 9th.
[1:44:56] >> November 9th.
[1:44:57] >> Honor before November 9th.
[1:44:59] >> Second.
[1:45:00] >> Any other discussions? All those in
[1:45:02] favor say I.
[1:45:04] >> I. Mr. Chairman, I move we um that we do
[1:45:08] a three-day held in advance.
[1:45:10] >> Second.
[1:45:12] >> Any and still on until October 13th.
[1:45:17] >> Still until the same date. Yes, please.
[1:45:21] >> So, that has been seconded. Any other
[1:45:23] discussions? All those in favor say I.
[1:45:26] Oppose. That's 5. So basically what
[1:45:29] that means is uh one you get a letter
[1:45:33] from the town clerk the the original
[1:45:35] suspension will be served on November 9
[1:45:39] and then there's going to be another
[1:45:40] 3-day suspensions held for one year. So
[1:45:44] if nothing happened until October 13,
[1:45:48] 2027
[1:45:50] that goes away. But if anything has
[1:45:53] happened,
[1:45:54] >> you will have 3-day suspension
[1:45:57] that you will have to serve.
[1:45:59] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:46:04] All set.
[1:46:04] >> Thank you, your honor.
[1:46:06] >> Thank you.
[1:46:07] Next.
[1:46:12] » A public hearing will be held under
[1:46:14] chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider
[1:46:16] whether the license to sell alcoholic
[1:46:18] beverages held by Braa Inc. doing
[1:46:20] business as 466
[1:46:23] Pub and Grill, 466 Newbury Street,
[1:46:25] Janice Barakia, manager should be
[1:46:28] suspended, revoked, or limited in any
[1:46:30] way. Anybody here speak to that? Want to
[1:46:33] just go to the microphone, please, and
[1:46:35] introduce yourself.
[1:46:41] » Good evening. Um, my name is Richard
[1:46:43] Brasher. Uh, part of the family that
[1:46:45] owns the establishment. We've been in
[1:46:47] the town for now uh 32 years.
[1:46:50] Had the privilege of being part of the
[1:46:52] community and um I hate to sound like a
[1:46:55] broken record, but we had a lapse of
[1:46:58] judgment by one of our servers. Angelo
[1:46:59] Stephanon's here. He's also the kitchen
[1:47:02] manager. He's tip certified just like
[1:47:04] most of our serving all of our serving
[1:47:06] staff is. And uh he just had a momentary
[1:47:11] lapse of judgment. We don't take it
[1:47:14] lightly. and um
[1:47:19] sorry to be here and
[1:47:24] okay thank you. So uh just for the board
[1:47:28] um based on the records uh so far we
[1:47:32] have not noticed there was uh no known prior violation in recent years
[1:47:40] from this establishment. Uh the current
[1:47:43] violation occur on July 27, 2026 where
[1:47:48] staff serve alcohol to a person under 21
[1:47:52] without requesting uh identification.
[1:47:55] Board members questions, comments.
[1:47:57] Member Bennett,
[1:47:58] >> no questions.
[1:47:59] >> Member Bernard,
[1:48:01] >> um training, you said ongoing training,
[1:48:04] monthly
[1:48:05] >> tips certified come. They come in
[1:48:06] yearly.
[1:48:07] >> Yearly.
[1:48:07] >> Um and just daytoday I'm there, you
[1:48:10] know, in everybody's ear. They're pretty
[1:48:12] Everybody knows
[1:48:13] >> and you attend.
[1:48:14] >> They know what to do. They just
[1:48:16] >> sometimes they don't do it. And you can
[1:48:18] have scanners, but they still have to
[1:48:19] use a scanner,
[1:48:20] >> you know.
[1:48:22] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:48:23] >> Member Bean.
[1:48:25] >> Uh, no, no questions.
[1:48:26] >> Member Trusk.
[1:48:27] >> No, no questions. Thank you.
[1:48:29] >> Okay. This is a public hearing. Anybody
[1:48:31] in the audience has a questions,
[1:48:32] comments? Hear none.
[1:48:34] >> Motion to close the public hearing.
[1:48:36] >> Second.
[1:48:37] >> All those in favor say I.
[1:48:38] >> I.
[1:48:39] >> Oppos. 5. Mhm.
[1:48:41] >> Mr. Chairman, in keeping with our
[1:48:44] trying to be consistent about how we do
[1:48:45] this, I'd like to motion that we impose
[1:48:48] a one-day um a one-day uh u suspension
[1:48:53] held in abance until whatever the date
[1:48:56] is that we're
[1:48:57] >> 13, 2027.
[1:48:58] >> October 13, 2027.
[1:49:01] >> You want to go with that same date?
[1:49:02] That's fine. But that we don't have the
[1:49:04] letter opt. Well, we do have the letter
[1:49:05] option. That's right.
[1:49:06] >> Yeah.
[1:49:07] >> Yep. That's fine. October
[1:49:09] >> 13, 2027.
[1:49:10] >> 2027. Yep. Okay. Thank you.
[1:49:12] >> Do I have a second on a motion?
[1:49:13] >> Second.
[1:49:14] >> Any further discussions?
[1:49:18] » All those in favor say I. I.
[1:49:20] >> I.
[1:49:22] >> 5.
[1:49:22] >> Thank you.
[1:49:23] >> Well, we hope to only see you at the
[1:49:26] establishment, not here.
[1:49:29] >> Thank you.
[1:49:34] Next,
[1:49:35] >> the board will hear from Lieutenant Rob
[1:49:37] Sullivan regarding potential changes to
[1:49:39] the traffic rules and orders. The board
[1:49:41] will allow public comment.
[1:49:43] >> So, Madame Town Manager, uh, can you
[1:49:46] just introduce this for us?
[1:49:48] >> Sure. Thank you.
[1:49:50] Um, one minute while this comes up.
[1:49:56] » Um, and Lieutenant, do you need to plug
[1:49:58] in your computer?
[1:50:02] You want a quick 8808
[1:50:05] quick?
[1:50:06] >> Thank you.
[1:50:07] >> Sure.
[1:50:08] >> Uh prior to this, could we take a five
[1:50:10] minute recess, please?
[1:50:12] >> So, can I get
[1:50:15] >> Yes, please. Uh while he sets up the
[1:50:18] PowerPoint.
[1:50:18] >> Okay,
[1:50:19] >> let's take a five minute recess. So,
[1:50:22] we'll be back at 8
[1:50:25] 14.
[2:00:15] Well, I had a blast doing it.
[2:00:21] » I would call the meeting back to order.
[2:00:24] >> Owen, I'm good.
[2:00:27] >> That was bugging me all night.
[2:00:28] [laughter]
[2:00:32] » Keep an eye on that.
[2:00:33] >> I'll call the meeting back to order,
[2:00:34] please.
[2:00:35] >> I came inside.
[2:00:36] >> Thank you. Thank you. and welcome back.
[2:00:38] Um,
[2:00:40] we were on item number
[2:00:43] >> item number 12.
[2:00:46] >> please. Could you
[2:00:47] >> Sure. The board will hear from
[2:00:49] Lieutenant Rob Sullivan regarding
[2:00:50] potential changes to the traffic rules
[2:00:52] and orders. The board will allow public
[2:00:54] comment.
[2:00:56] >> Thank you. Um, Madame Town Manager.
[2:00:58] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just
[2:01:01] wanted to give a little introduction to
[2:01:03] the public. Um the dams transportation
[2:01:06] advisory committee does not necessarily
[2:01:08] come before you often. Uh Mr. Bates
[2:01:10] spoke about it this morning. Um it was
[2:01:13] and there are members on here who
[2:01:14] probably have more historic knowledge
[2:01:16] than I. It was created by the select
[2:01:17] board um originally um to help move
[2:01:21] along the time in which um public would
[2:01:23] necessarily come here to report traffic
[2:01:25] violations. And actually Lieutenant Svin
[2:01:27] can probably add to this too. um and
[2:01:30] instead set up a way for uh the public
[2:01:32] to reach staff. Um the sta it is a
[2:01:36] staff-led committee. It is not subject
[2:01:38] to open meeting law. It it will not be
[2:01:40] subject to open meeting law because it's
[2:01:41] staffled. They're not elected officials
[2:01:43] or um or or board committee members who
[2:01:47] are appointed. Um but they try very hard
[2:01:51] to balance transparency with efficiency
[2:01:53] and they post their meeting notices,
[2:01:54] agendas and minutes as a courtesy of the
[2:01:56] public as well as take open comment at
[2:01:58] their meetings. Um they put a lot of
[2:02:02] time and effort into that. Some of the
[2:02:03] things that come before them can be
[2:02:05] handled operationally.
[2:02:08] Um which sometimes changing the language
[2:02:10] on the sign, moving sign, um addressing
[2:02:13] a crosswalk error, some of those things
[2:02:15] they can handle internally. Um but many
[2:02:18] of those things, anything that uh
[2:02:19] relates to the traffic rules and orders,
[2:02:22] which is one of the things being
[2:02:23] presented to you today, um has to come
[2:02:25] before the board as you serve as the
[2:02:27] traffic commissioners. Um and how those
[2:02:31] are handled is ruled by Mass General
[2:02:34] law. They are not subject to a public
[2:02:36] hearing. So this is not a formal public
[2:02:38] hearing also, but the board does elect
[2:02:41] to take public comment on these things.
[2:02:43] The DTAC also works very hard at the
[2:02:46] board's request to notify people um when
[2:02:49] there are significant changes. Uh so so
[2:02:52] it's kind of a hybrid of a of a beast of
[2:02:56] a public beast. Uh, so I just wanted to
[2:02:59] make sure that we set some of those um
[2:03:02] put some clarity around kind of what
[2:03:03] they're subject to, what they're not,
[2:03:05] and and that the goal, I believe, for
[2:03:06] the board and I know for the staff is to
[2:03:09] uh be as transparent and efficient with
[2:03:11] the requests from the public, the time
[2:03:13] of the public, and the time of the board
[2:03:16] as well. Uh, tonight, Lieutenant um
[2:03:20] Sullivan will be presenting two
[2:03:22] different um reviews. The first one is
[2:03:25] related to the traffic rules and orders.
[2:03:27] Um so he's going to do that first and
[2:03:30] then at your discretion, Mr. Chairman,
[2:03:32] uh take questions from the board and and
[2:03:34] the public move through that piece. And
[2:03:36] then the second piece um so the first
[2:03:39] one was covered by a memo from um Aaron
[2:03:43] Henry and Lieutenant Sullivan um related
[2:03:45] to the traffic rules and orders. The
[2:03:47] second one was a memo from Lieutenant
[2:03:49] Sullivan related to special speed
[2:03:51] regulations. That one's um a little more
[2:03:55] complicated on the process because that
[2:03:57] is a state regulation and Lieutenant
[2:03:59] Svin will get into this. That used to
[2:04:02] bundle like 20 of them together and now
[2:04:04] the state wants them individual. So, you
[2:04:06] have a lot of work ahead of you tonight.
[2:04:08] Um the lieutenant and I are here to
[2:04:11] assist as well as Madame Clerk. She's highly engaged in these. Um and
[2:04:16] I'll hand it over to Lieutenant
[2:04:18] Sullivan.
[2:04:19] >> Thank you.
[2:04:20] Mr. Chairman. Um, I thought
[2:04:22] it might be easiest to see if we go
[2:04:23] through there are four bullet points
[2:04:24] from the uh land use and advisory uh
[2:04:27] office on the updates to the traffic
[2:04:30] regulation book. If we took each of
[2:04:32] those bullets one at a time.
[2:04:33] >> Sure.
[2:04:33] >> And discuss them just in the order that
[2:04:35] they appear in the in the memo if that's
[2:04:37] acceptable.
[2:04:38] >> Sure. Now to the board members, do you
[2:04:41] want to do um the bullet on vote on the
[2:04:45] bullet or do you want to get the four
[2:04:47] bullets and then we can entertain
[2:04:50] motions after?
[2:04:53] >> Looking at the
[2:04:54] >> have a preference.
[2:04:56] >> If you look at the bullets, uh couple of
[2:04:59] them are quick knockoffs. Uh
[2:05:01] typographical errors, clarity in
[2:05:03] wording, I think it's fine. So should we
[2:05:06] go through that and vote vote on it and
[2:05:09] move on or should we listen to all four
[2:05:11] bullet and then
[2:05:12] >> to the extent and we may revisit it when
[2:05:13] we have more comment about the actual
[2:05:15] parking other parts of it but yes
[2:05:17] >> yeah I would be fine with
[2:05:18] >> this one
[2:05:22] any preference I just wanted it's not a
[2:05:24] vote but just a general consensus from
[2:05:26] the vote
[2:05:28] >> eventually take a
[2:05:31] would that work would that work for you
[2:05:32] >> yes sir it would
[2:05:33] >> okay thank you
[2:05:34] >> uh As uh member Tras pointed out, the
[2:05:37] first uh the first bullet is just
[2:05:39] grammatical. Nothing in this section
[2:05:41] changes any law or regulation um of the uh the manual. Um it's adding
[2:05:47] ands, ors, commas, and I think there's
[2:05:50] one deletion because the same entry was
[2:05:52] found twice.
[2:05:54] >> Yes,
[2:05:54] >> there's nothing further for that first
[2:05:56] the first paragraph of your memo.
[2:05:58] >> Okay. Any questions from board members?
[2:06:01] Uh member?
[2:06:03] >> No, I I looked at all of them. I've
[2:06:05] circled them and they all look fine. The
[2:06:07] one that is redundant,
[2:06:09] we'll have further discussion on when we
[2:06:11] talk about the parking time changes
[2:06:13] because they overlap on Park Street, the
[2:06:16] Park Street one. But as far as the
[2:06:17] grammatical portions, I'm fine.
[2:06:20] >> So, uh, so are we okay? Member Bean.
[2:06:25] >> Uh, no questions.
[2:06:27] >> Member Bennett,
[2:06:28] >> we can move forwards.
[2:06:30] >> Okay.
[2:06:31] >> Member move. Yep. Move.
[2:06:33] So for this uh grammatical error again
[2:06:37] this um agenda item
[2:06:42] is not a public hearing but we had
[2:06:44] posted on the agenda that the public was
[2:06:47] welcome to speak. Um
[2:06:51] the public comments will be limited to
[2:06:53] three minutes per person. I know we've
[2:06:55] gotten emails, calls and uh messages
[2:06:59] about this matter. So there's a high
[2:07:01] public interest. Um
[2:07:04] and thank you
[2:07:06] >> out of respect to everyone I will say
[2:07:09] you know
[2:07:11] just keep to your time uh just so that
[2:07:14] we can move this along. So for the
[2:07:16] grammatical
[2:07:19] portion uh just changing the formatting
[2:07:23] and minor grammatical changes. Is there
[2:07:26] anyone in the public who would like to
[2:07:27] speak
[2:07:30] here? None. Okay.
[2:07:32] >> Oh, wait a minute.
[2:07:32] >> So,
[2:07:34] >> okay. Now, hold on. Uh, just help me
[2:07:37] here, madam. So, are we giving them
[2:07:40] three minutes per bullet or they get
[2:07:42] their three minutes? Well, [laughter]
[2:07:44] >> because I think I just
[2:07:46] >> me I think you would.
[2:07:49] Oh yeah, like this computer in front of
[2:07:50] >> I think I would think but that's
[2:07:52] >> Yeah, but I think it's I think it's
[2:07:53] three minutes on the agenda.
[2:07:56] >> Mr. Chairman, I I I we've made the
[2:07:58] decision to go bullet by bullet. I would error on the side of caution and
[2:08:02] allow three minutes per bullet.
[2:08:04] >> Okay, that's fine. Yes. Uh Mr. Zubik. uh
[2:08:08] Mark Zubick. The only thing I have a
[2:08:11] concern with is I know that some people
[2:08:15] have been involved in this thing, but I
[2:08:19] don't know if anybody else here has a
[2:08:21] document in front of them that you have.
[2:08:24] So, how can we even make a comment if we
[2:08:28] don't have the document that you're
[2:08:30] considering? And the thing is that, you
[2:08:34] know, it's like flying blind. So, I'm
[2:08:37] sorry, but I I there's there are no
[2:08:39] comments that I can make because I don't
[2:08:42] know what you're looking at,
[2:08:43] >> Mr. Chairman. Those are all supplied.
[2:08:45] That was supplied online with the
[2:08:47] meeting material.
[2:08:48] >> That's part of the meeting materials,
[2:08:49] Mark. And the agenda
[2:08:51] >> posted last week.
[2:08:52] >> Everything was posted last week. Thank
[2:08:54] you. Uh so, no other public comments.
[2:08:58] So, I entertain a motion uh from the
[2:09:01] board to accept the proposed grammatical
[2:09:03] and formatting changes as presented on
[2:09:06] page 5, 7, 21, 22, and 23 of the
[2:09:11] package.
[2:09:12] >> I'll second it.
[2:09:14] >> No, that was asking for a motion. Okay.
[2:09:17] So, move then move second by
[2:09:20] >> Marin uh
[2:09:21] >> member Bernard.
[2:09:23] >> Okay. Any other discussions on that
[2:09:25] motion? Hear none. All those in favor
[2:09:27] say I.
[2:09:28] >> I.
[2:09:31] >> Okay. So that's five.
[2:09:32] >> Mhm.
[2:09:32] >> Perfect.
[2:09:33] >> Then the next one uh Lieutenant Rob.
[2:09:37] Yes. Which is the next one?
[2:09:38] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The second
[2:09:40] one is insertion of language regarding
[2:09:42] time limits. This actually started as a
[2:09:44] much bigger project maybe about two
[2:09:45] years ago uh with with redevelopment of
[2:09:48] the uh entire downtown area. Um we have
[2:09:51] worked through some of the issues with
[2:09:53] municipal parking lots in new language.
[2:09:55] uh traffic advisory uh commission sent
[2:09:58] recommendations to uh the select board
[2:10:00] which was approved. Uh this was part of
[2:10:02] the project moving forward to the public
[2:10:05] ways. Um and in doing so when we were
[2:10:07] looking at this um we discovered we kind
[2:10:10] of stepped into the next issue. You'll
[2:10:12] hear from the the fisers and some other
[2:10:13] residents how it's a separate issue but
[2:10:16] this was kind of like the beginning of
[2:10:18] what was happening in the neighborhood
[2:10:19] and was a start of their their community
[2:10:22] problems. Um essentially we have found
[2:10:24] that the regul some of the regulations
[2:10:26] in the the book take for example parking
[2:10:28] language it says on any one of the
[2:10:31] streets that are governed by uh time
[2:10:33] restriction it says either 1 2 or 3
[2:10:35] hours except for Sundays and holidays.
[2:10:38] Uh plain reading means that's 1 2 or 3
[2:10:41] hours 24/7 except for uh Sundays and
[2:10:44] holidays. um that does not match what
[2:10:48] the signs out in the field say um which
[2:10:51] does not match what enforcement is
[2:10:53] doing. Um so we wanted to make sure that
[2:10:56] as we looked at all of the public public
[2:10:58] ways and lots that the book was clear as
[2:11:01] to what the select board wanted for the
[2:11:03] regulations that the signs the verbiage
[2:11:06] on the signs matched the the verbiage in
[2:11:09] the book and that the signs out in the
[2:11:11] field.
[2:11:12] >> Am I am I throwing this up? Can I go
[2:11:13] now?
[2:11:14] >> No. No. please keep going.
[2:11:16] >> Um that the um the signs in the field
[2:11:19] were accurate and the signs in the field
[2:11:21] were at um place at appropriate points.
[2:11:23] Um as you'll hear from the fishes,
[2:11:25] something as very simple as having this
[2:11:27] language in correct signs um can
[2:11:30] actually stop further problems. um what
[2:11:33] actually began as um a a parking
[2:11:36] dispute. Somebody not paying attention
[2:11:37] to what the signs and regulations said
[2:11:40] on the street turned into um a dispute,
[2:11:43] disagreement amongst amongst neighbors
[2:11:45] in the area. Um it turned into
[2:11:48] allegations of people being um
[2:11:50] protective or possessive of their
[2:11:52] individual spots. Um and then it when
[2:11:55] town staff attempted to intervene, we
[2:11:58] found that some of the language was not
[2:11:59] correct. Some of the signs were not
[2:12:00] correct. Um so we attempted to um give
[2:12:04] warnings to the residents which turned
[2:12:07] around further pitting residents against
[2:12:09] resident thinking that they were doing
[2:12:10] that to each other leaving uh
[2:12:12] information on each other's cars. Um
[2:12:15] that then escalated to from just a
[2:12:17] simple parking dispute to the the fishes
[2:12:19] who are here tonight um to having uh
[2:12:21] crimes occur. Um their property was
[2:12:23] vandalized, their cars were vandalized.
[2:12:25] Um, and while there's no information to
[2:12:28] uh prove who who did uh did commit that
[2:12:30] offense, um, I do think there was an
[2:12:33] opportunity for us. Had we had the
[2:12:35] correct language, the correct signs, and
[2:12:38] fair and consistent enforcement, maybe
[2:12:39] some of this wouldn't have happened. So,
[2:12:41] that kind of rolls into this entire
[2:12:43] paragraph with just to refresh, you
[2:12:46] skipped the paragraph. You skipped the
[2:12:47] first one. They didn't take a motion on
[2:12:49] the first one. The first one is just the
[2:12:51] general time allowed in the town.
[2:12:53] >> Yes.
[2:12:54] >> Yeah. So that's where you are, select
[2:12:56] board, sorry, to keep you on track.
[2:12:57] >> Um, so
[2:12:58] >> so we can get the housekeeping ones out
[2:12:59] of the way. So the the second bullet is
[2:13:02] specifically to the general time within
[2:13:04] the town
[2:13:05] >> on page eight.
[2:13:06] >> On page
[2:13:08] >> 49. P section. Nope. Move to uh
[2:13:12] >> section seven on page eight. Yes. And
[2:13:15] the corresponding on page 49. So just
[2:13:17] it's 8 a.m. to
[2:13:18] >> Yeah. So this is adding specific language. The book now we call
[2:13:22] it the book. It's the regulation manual.
[2:13:23] The book now says all of these streets
[2:13:26] either one, two, or 3 hours. This
[2:13:28] recommends in the time restrictions in
[2:13:30] certain language. Um,
[2:13:32] >> this is the general one for the entire
[2:13:34] town.
[2:13:34] >> This is the baseline.
[2:13:35] between 8 a.m. So,
[2:13:37] no specific streets.
[2:13:38] >> Correct. They would all be covered. So,
[2:13:40] all of the
[2:13:40] >> between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m.
[2:13:42] >> Yes. So, all of the streets, but it
[2:13:44] specifies the hours. It specifies not uh
[2:13:46] Sundays, not holidays. The hours are
[2:13:49] from 8 a.m. till uh till 6 pm if there's
[2:13:51] a parking restriction unless although
[2:13:53] there are a few um there are a few that
[2:13:56] have their own hours in the regulations.
[2:13:58] >> We'll get to that for the third bullet.
[2:13:59] This one is the catch all.
[2:14:01] >> Yes.
[2:14:02] >> And it also I I I'm very pleased to see
[2:14:04] that it does specifically talk about the
[2:14:06] fact that you can't just bunny hop your
[2:14:08] cars
[2:14:09] >> and and get in your car after two hours
[2:14:11] and move it up one spot and consider
[2:14:13] that a new a new two hours. It's not
[2:14:16] eligible for that. So we're talking for
[2:14:18] that bullet only the blue language on
[2:14:20] page eight.
[2:14:24] » Okay. Thank you. Um
[2:14:27] thank you. So yeah member
[2:14:30] [clears throat]
[2:14:30] >> I'll just comment. Yes. This is a very straightforward simple
[2:14:33] one. It doesn't talk to any specific
[2:14:35] street or time to parking. It just says
[2:14:38] the standard for time to parking is this
[2:14:41] hour to this hour. and you can't just
[2:14:43] move your car two spots and expect it to
[2:14:46] restart the clock. So, I'm very
[2:14:48] satisfied with this. It's no different
[2:14:50] than we've set a town standard speed
[2:14:52] limit and only where those signs differ
[2:14:57] that people are compelled to do a
[2:15:00] different speed limit. So, I this is a
[2:15:01] good catchall.
[2:15:02] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean. Uh,
[2:15:05] >> nope. It sounds pretty good to me.
[2:15:08] Pretty normal.
[2:15:09] >> Member Bennett.
[2:15:10] >> I'm fine with this.
[2:15:12] Member Bernard.
[2:15:14] >> I think it's good. I like that. You
[2:15:15] know, as Ghana said to reset its time,
[2:15:17] like to move the vehicles. That's good.
[2:15:18] Perfect.
[2:15:19] >> Okay. Yeah.
[2:15:20] >> Anybody in the audience who has any
[2:15:21] questions, comments? Yes. We just want
[2:15:24] to go to the microphone.
[2:15:31] » Bill Barry telling me precinct one. I
[2:15:34] understand the comment about is it bunny
[2:15:37] hopping from one spot to another.
[2:15:39] >> Yep.
[2:15:41] Uh if someone moves from one street to
[2:15:43] another street,
[2:15:44] >> different street,
[2:15:45] >> it needs to be explained to people
[2:15:47] clearly that
[2:15:48] >> it says the one-time limited parking
[2:15:50] restriction has been reached. Um moving
[2:15:52] to a different section or space on the
[2:15:54] same street is prohibited.
[2:15:58] >> As I was said,
[2:15:59] >> you on Page Street and you went to
[2:16:00] Cherry Street, you'd be fine.
[2:16:02] >> I didn't have something to look at to
[2:16:03] review that. I just wanted to make sure
[2:16:05] that was clear. Thank you.
[2:16:09] Quick question to you,
[2:16:11] Lieutenant Go. So,
[2:16:14] >> if I park on one of these streets at
[2:16:16] 8:00 only 2 hours and then at 2:00 p.m.
[2:16:22] I come back on the same street. So, is
[2:16:25] it 2 hours consecutive or once you get
[2:16:28] your two hours for the day, you're out
[2:16:29] of luck?
[2:16:32] >> Well, it is. The regulation does say two
[2:16:34] hours. I don't know that I've
[2:16:35] encountered anybody splitting their
[2:16:37] hours up, but it would be an argument.
[2:16:39] So, if a parking clerk were to issue
[2:16:40] that ticket, um I think you would have a
[2:16:42] strong argument for an appeal that you
[2:16:44] weren't there for 2 hours. Um [music]
[2:16:47] it is as written, it is to give you two
[2:16:49] hours on any specific street, then you
[2:16:52] have to move someplace else. So, if that
[2:16:54] were your argument, you could spend two
[2:16:57] hours in one street. I think you would
[2:16:58] just have to argue that I broken my two
[2:17:00] hours into two separate pieces.
[2:17:04] Yes. So, are you saying like if you
[2:17:06] >> So, if I park if you leave for 2 hours,
[2:17:10] like you park at 8, you leave at 10:00,
[2:17:13] then you come back at 2:00 p.m. the same
[2:17:15] day. So, because I I'm not sure reading
[2:17:18] this regulation if we're talking about I
[2:17:21] know you can't hop from one spot to
[2:17:23] another, but is that for the entire day
[2:17:26] or could you come back in the afternoon
[2:17:27] and park on the same street?
[2:17:29] >> I'm sorry, I misunderstood your
[2:17:30] question. Um, so there is now I'm
[2:17:32] realizing that we have language that
[2:17:34] specifies that in municipal lots that
[2:17:36] you cannot return to the same lot during
[2:17:39] the same enforcement hours. Uh, I'm now
[2:17:41] realizing that there is no such similar
[2:17:44] language for a public way.
[2:17:46] [snorts] So essentially it says you can
[2:17:48] park for 2 hours. If you leave for 2 or
[2:17:51] 3 hours, the argument is can you come
[2:17:53] back?
[2:17:54] >> That's right. Um
[2:17:56] I think the parking clerk would make the
[2:17:58] argument you have to out it I would
[2:18:00] recommend adding that language to this u
[2:18:02] because we do have that language in the municipal lots. You cannot the lot
[2:18:06] municipal lots specifically say not
[2:18:07] returning to the same municipal lot
[2:18:09] during enforcement hours on that on that
[2:18:12] same day. Um,
[2:18:14] if the parking clerk were to write a
[2:18:17] ticket, you would have the right of
[2:18:18] appeal before the the town clerk to say,
[2:18:21] "Well, I left for an amount of time and
[2:18:23] come back." Uh, but I think the purpose
[2:18:25] of this is to give you two hours in a
[2:18:27] street.
[2:18:28] >> If I may, Mr. Chair,
[2:18:30] >> um, if if I would if I would make a
[2:18:33] recommendation, it would be so the
[2:18:34] purpose of this is um, also known as
[2:18:36] anti-shuffling. You can't go two
[2:18:38] consecutive hours here, two consecutive hours here,
[2:18:41] and just keep moving your car. the
[2:18:43] street. I think the example you're
[2:18:44] giving is I went to get coffee and my
[2:18:48] hair done at 8:00 a.m. and now I'm going
[2:18:50] out to dinner with a friend at 7:00 p.m.
[2:18:53] Can I still not park on the same street?
[2:18:54] I I don't think that is the intention of
[2:18:56] this. I wouldn't recommend that for a
[2:18:57] downtown. I think we want to encourage
[2:18:59] turnover in the downtown for our
[2:19:01] businesses. We want to encourage people
[2:19:03] to come back downtown and have dinner
[2:19:04] even if they went to the bank this
[2:19:07] morning. So I would if I was if I was
[2:19:09] going to make a recommendation on
[2:19:10] editing the language, I would use the
[2:19:12] word consecutive in there somehow so
[2:19:14] that it is clear that yes, please come
[2:19:17] back downtown for dinner and park.
[2:19:20] >> Yeah. Because as as I mean as I read it
[2:19:22] now, it's not clear to me that that's
[2:19:24] addressed and we might find oursel here
[2:19:26] 6 months from now with a different issue
[2:19:30] because someone got a ticket and they
[2:19:33] now say, "Well, I wasn't there two hours
[2:19:35] ago. Why am I getting this ticket?
[2:19:37] >> But I would I would suggest that I would
[2:19:39] suggest that the like the police
[2:19:41] department, we rely on them to use
[2:19:42] discretion as we we would with the
[2:19:44] parking clerk. If you were parked on one
[2:19:46] end of Elm Street and took two hours, I
[2:19:49] know it would be a two-hour coffee
[2:19:51] because I don't think the hairdress is
[2:19:52] going to take long for you, but um then
[2:19:54] you move to the other end of Elm Street
[2:19:55] later in the day.
[2:19:57] I think that's I think the discretion of
[2:19:59] the parking clerk would be not to give
[2:20:01] you a ticket unless in that considering
[2:20:04] it skipping.
[2:20:07] >> Okay.
[2:20:08] >> I like the word like you said
[2:20:10] consecutive.
[2:20:11] >> Yeah. I think I policy makers uh giving
[2:20:14] it some more clarity. Obviously I'm not
[2:20:16] a lawyer so I I don't know all the
[2:20:19] language stuff. uh but giving it more
[2:20:21] clarity will prevent us from being here
[2:20:24] six months from now arguing about the
[2:20:27] same thing. So
[2:20:29] I would suggest
[2:20:30] >> if I may you can come back. So the
[2:20:33] enforcement hours are 8 a.m. The
[2:20:34] timerestricted enforcement hours are
[2:20:36] 8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. So it's 2 hours
[2:20:40] between those hours. So if you come back
[2:20:42] after 6:00, it's unregulated time from 6
[2:20:45] at night until 8 in the morning. There
[2:20:47] is no time restriction.
[2:20:48] >> Oh no, I understand. I'm just saying if
[2:20:50] you come back between 8 and 6,
[2:20:52] >> according to this, it says moving to a
[2:20:55] different section or space on the same
[2:20:57] street is prohibited. It doesn't say um
[2:21:02] within enforcement hours. As a matter of
[2:21:04] fact, if I want to even read it
[2:21:06] literally,
[2:21:07] >> it means you should never park on that
[2:21:09] street again, [laughter]
[2:21:11] even the next day
[2:21:13] based on this regulation. It means that
[2:21:16] once you get your two hours on on M
[2:21:19] Street, you're done for the rest of your
[2:21:21] life. I mean, [laughter]
[2:21:23] >> I'm exaggerating, but but this language
[2:21:26] needs some more
[2:21:29] >> uh clarification so that we don't I
[2:21:32] would I would suggest that this goes
[2:21:35] back honestly to to to be clarified. Uh
[2:21:39] I that that that's my inclination. I I
[2:21:43] feel like
[2:21:45] It's not very clear what what what is it
[2:21:48] that we're voting on here.
[2:21:50] >> So, let's not vote.
[2:21:51] >> Yeah.
[2:21:51] >> Motion to send back.
[2:21:52] >> So, I will I will table this uh bullet
[2:21:55] too and have DTAC
[2:21:58] uh work like staff and member Bean and
[2:22:03] Lutin and Rob kind of final this
[2:22:06] language. Maybe even talk to the town um
[2:22:09] council and bring us back a better
[2:22:12] language.
[2:22:12] >> Sure.
[2:22:13] >> Thank you.
[2:22:15] Mr. Chair, I think bullet four may be a
[2:22:17] pretty softball bullet. Can we address
[2:22:20] that before we get into the real meat of
[2:22:22] the discussion tonight?
[2:22:23] >> Uh,
[2:22:24] >> that is that is how I recommend it, too.
[2:22:27] >> I will. I'm fine with it. So,
[2:22:30] >> are we are we okay with that?
[2:22:32] >> I'm fine. That's good idea, Glenn.
[2:22:34] >> Member Bean.
[2:22:35] >> Sure.
[2:22:35] >> Okay. So, uh, Lieutenant Rob, let's jump
[2:22:39] to bullet four.
[2:22:40] >> Sure. So, bullet four, Mr. chairman just
[2:22:42] uh insert say there's a uh a missing
[2:22:44] yield control sign at Silven and
[2:22:46] Endicott Street. Part of it's a chicken
[2:22:49] restaurant raising cane.
[2:22:50] >> Raising canes.
[2:22:51] >> Um part of their engineering site plan
[2:22:54] required them to paint the road uh as a
[2:22:57] uh a yield turning from uh Silven Street
[2:23:00] right-hand turn onto Endicott Street um
[2:23:02] and to place a yield sign there. But to
[2:23:05] do so, they need permission from the
[2:23:06] select board to have a yield sign at
[2:23:08] that intersection.
[2:23:10] >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions, comments
[2:23:13] on that?
[2:23:16] >> I'm fine.
[2:23:16] >> Member
[2:23:17] >> I'm fine with that.
[2:23:18] >> None.
[2:23:18] >> Member Bennett, member bean.
[2:23:20] >> No, no question.
[2:23:21] >> Member TW. Anybody in the audience
[2:23:24] >> hear? None. So, I entertain a motion.
[2:23:27] >> I move we accept the recommendation of
[2:23:30] the clarification. And do Lieutenant
[2:23:33] Sullivan, are you looking for
[2:23:34] permission? Do we have to give
[2:23:35] permission?
[2:23:36] >> It's so the yield sign is actually
[2:23:37] inserted into the book. So I believe
[2:23:39] select board has to approve us adding
[2:23:41] that into the book.
[2:23:43] >> Yeah.
[2:23:44] >> Is it just approval into the book or
[2:23:45] separately we have to approve a sign?
[2:23:47] >> The motion should say a yield sign as
[2:23:49] presented on page 41 schedule number
[2:23:51] four.
[2:23:52] >> Yield sign is presented.
[2:23:54] >> Okay.
[2:23:55] >> Second.
[2:23:55] >> Page 41 schedule number four. That has
[2:23:58] been seconded. Any further discussions?
[2:24:01] All those in favor say I. I.
[2:24:03] >> I.
[2:24:04] >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you. buckle up.
[2:24:08] >> Uh let's go back up to bullet number
[2:24:10] three and drop.
[2:24:14] » Yes, sir. So, bullet number three has
[2:24:16] written modifications to time
[2:24:18] restrictions, which is schedule one
[2:24:19] parking locations and regulations. Uh on
[2:24:22] page 25, uh contains most of the
[2:24:25] recommended edits, the downtown, uh
[2:24:28] street work underway. Uh the traffic
[2:24:30] advisory committee determined it was
[2:24:32] logical to conduct a review of these
[2:24:33] areas. Um culminating in the
[2:24:36] recommendation to eliminate some time
[2:24:37] restrictions in several areas
[2:24:40] uh further from the square where daytime
[2:24:42] parking restrictions are believed to be
[2:24:44] no longer necessary and revise a few
[2:24:47] others. Schedule one captures those
[2:24:49] changes. Um I have a map here that um
[2:24:54] and I probably should so it covers
[2:24:58] um the streets that it covers. Um I
[2:25:01] should be clear that no place in these
[2:25:03] streets is the recommendation to add
[2:25:06] parking or delete parking. Uh no place
[2:25:09] in the recommendation. So if you're a
[2:25:11] resident and you come home tonight, no
[2:25:14] one is telling you tomorrow you cannot
[2:25:15] park in front of your house on whatever
[2:25:17] street. Um likewise, if you could not
[2:25:20] park on whatever street in front of your
[2:25:23] house, there's not a recommendation to
[2:25:25] make that area as acceptable parking. Uh
[2:25:28] it's taking a few spaces that it was
[2:25:31] believed because of past square use. Um
[2:25:35] time restrictions are no longer needed
[2:25:38] for those for those locations. But as it
[2:25:41] exists right now, parking to some form,
[2:25:42] whether it be one, two, or three hours,
[2:25:46] exists at those locations. That would be
[2:25:48] removing uh some of the uh some of the
[2:25:51] restrictions. Um
[2:25:54] and uh again, in doing so,
[2:25:59] a car could still be at each one of
[2:26:00] those locations. Currently, right now,
[2:26:02] it could be a 1-hour parking space, but
[2:26:05] in theory, you could have a car in that
[2:26:07] spot for all eight or 10 hours of
[2:26:09] enforcement regulations. It would not be
[2:26:11] the same car. Um, this would change it
[2:26:14] so it could be the same car um in that
[2:26:16] regulation. My map is uh a little bit
[2:26:19] incorrect and we can go through each of
[2:26:20] the streets. I This is the map that I
[2:26:22] presented at the traffic advisory
[2:26:25] committee which contained all of the
[2:26:26] streets. the uh the traffic advisory
[2:26:29] committee um heard from a group of
[2:26:31] residents that came and presented and uh
[2:26:34] changed this map removing the
[2:26:36] recommended changes for Park Street and
[2:26:38] leaving the other streets for your for
[2:26:40] your consideration.
[2:26:44] » Okay. So
[2:26:46] >> that was you want the light off so you
[2:26:48] can see that.
[2:26:50] >> Yeah, it's helpful.
[2:26:52] >> I think we have Oh yeah, five people to
[2:26:54] see. Okay.
[2:26:57] >> Goodbye.
[2:27:01] » Okay. So,
[2:27:02] >> so on each of the I can go through on
[2:27:04] each of the streets there are two 1-hour
[2:27:05] streets. So, Chase and School Street.
[2:27:08] So, this portion of School Street, the
[2:27:10] furthest away from the square, the
[2:27:11] portion of School Street that runs from
[2:27:13] Franklin to Popppler, uh, is currently
[2:27:16] now a on one side is no parking. On the
[2:27:18] other side, it is one hour parking. Uh
[2:27:21] the other one hour is Chase.
[2:27:26] Uh over here, Chase Street between uh
[2:27:29] Conan and Park Street. One side is no
[2:27:31] parking, the other side is um 1 hour.
[2:27:36] For these streets that were 2hour
[2:27:38] parking um restrictions are uh Berry
[2:27:41] Street, Central A,
[2:27:44] um Butler off of uh off of Locust
[2:27:46] Street, um a section of Oak Street. So,
[2:27:49] this section of Oak Street um is still
[2:27:52] currently 2 hours. The proposal was to
[2:27:55] remove the time restrictions on this
[2:27:57] section of Oak Street. Uh on Cherry
[2:28:01] Street, the portion towards the the
[2:28:02] closest portion to the square uh remains
[2:28:05] time restricted. The portion between uh
[2:28:08] Putinham and Essex Street would have the
[2:28:11] uh 2hour time restriction removed. Uh
[2:28:16] Beacon and Warren, the same thing. Uh
[2:28:19] Warren Street down here only covers
[2:28:21] essentially one house uh for a two-hour
[2:28:24] parking restriction. The rest of the
[2:28:26] street [music] is unregulated. Uh Beacon
[2:28:29] Street, both sides end to end where um
[2:28:32] we're covered by 2 hours. And then
[2:28:34] there's one uh Alden Street had a 3hour
[2:28:38] over in this section over here. Uh one
[2:28:40] side of Alden Street had a 3h hour. They
[2:28:44] don't they didn't really match up or
[2:28:45] line up to any of the cross streets. Um
[2:28:47] what they did line up to was um
[2:28:50] businesses that were in the area. Say
[2:28:51] like Denver's when Denver Savings Bank
[2:28:53] had um you know when they were expanding
[2:28:56] and they had a couple hundred employees
[2:28:57] for their 100 parking spaces. They were
[2:28:59] spilling out into the community. Uh when
[2:29:01] Hot Watt and other businesses um the
[2:29:04] building where um Betty and Sub Shop is
[2:29:06] now used to be like a a factory type
[2:29:09] building. Those uh workers would park in
[2:29:11] the in the areas. So uh the residential
[2:29:14] areas. So, some of those businesses are gone, have changed. Um, the the
[2:29:18] bank, if you drive by their lot on any
[2:29:21] given day, it's not even half their own private parking spaces are not
[2:29:24] even half half full. So, that was the reason for these changes.
[2:29:30] And as we were making these
[2:29:31] recommendations, um, we had a chance to
[2:29:33] encounter some of the the residents uh
[2:29:36] of the area who wanted to be heard as to
[2:29:38] um the proposed changes. Like I said, we
[2:29:40] did remove in the original draft. It was
[2:29:43] to um Park Street. Park Street right now is 107 ft from
[2:29:49] High Street um to um Barry Street as um
[2:29:55] to our parking that removing that has
[2:29:59] been um the traffic committee did not
[2:30:01] recommend moving that forward to the
[2:30:03] select board. So parking would still
[2:30:05] remain uh the 2 hours during the
[2:30:08] enforcement hour if you accept in the
[2:30:10] future the enforcement hours of 8 to 6
[2:30:14] uh Monday through Saturday.
[2:30:18] Okay. Thank you. Uh so board members uh
[2:30:23] questions now. Do we want to maybe just
[2:30:26] comment in general and then take them
[2:30:28] street by street or do a slate?
[2:30:31] >> I Mr. Chairman, I think that they have
[2:30:34] to be if you want to take sections by
[2:30:37] sections, but there is going there is
[2:30:39] synergy between certain streets and
[2:30:40] certain changes. And I have a number of
[2:30:43] notes that I want to go through on
[2:30:45] certain streets and certain changes. And
[2:30:48] Backbay is one section, Locust Street
[2:30:50] might be another, and you might be able
[2:30:51] to lump them that way, but um
[2:30:55] >> think one by
[2:30:56] >> But I'd like to actually start with the
[2:30:58] an underlying premise here. Um, and I
[2:31:02] sorry, Lieutenant, that I'm putting you
[2:31:03] on the spot. I realize there's a lot of
[2:31:04] work by a lot of people, but the
[2:31:06] underlying premise was the the changes
[2:31:09] were based on things um conditions that
[2:31:13] were deter determined unnecessary.
[2:31:15] What was the criteria for that? And and
[2:31:18] what supporting evidence do we have in
[2:31:20] that? I've I've heard economic we I've
[2:31:22] heard tonight you say the the bank that
[2:31:24] was used to employ 100 people uh doesn't
[2:31:28] employ that many people. that has
[2:31:30] lightened the load that was there from
[2:31:32] the bank. But I'm not sure I would agree
[2:31:34] that that is a condition for changing
[2:31:37] the hours or the or the restrictions
[2:31:39] that were in place because that bank
[2:31:41] could easily fill up again. Once you
[2:31:43] lose it, you're not going to get it
[2:31:45] back. And so I'm just wondering what the
[2:31:47] underlying con underlying premise is for
[2:31:50] making modifications. I often hear
[2:31:53] consistency and I can go with the
[2:31:55] consistency argument sometimes if if it
[2:31:57] makes sense, but I'd like to know what what what is the impetus for the changes.
[2:32:03] >> Yes, sir. There there was no one
[2:32:05] specific reason. It was looking at the
[2:32:07] downtown as a whole. Uh it was looking
[2:32:09] at how it's changed. I do think we
[2:32:11] looked at um we don't have a lot of
[2:32:13] guidance over where over the years where
[2:32:15] they came from, how they were added,
[2:32:17] what's the exact reason that this
[2:32:19] particular street and not the next
[2:32:21] street over or go across one block. Um
[2:32:23] we didn't have a lot of that. Um so we
[2:32:26] started looking at what the businesses
[2:32:28] are, what the current makeup of the
[2:32:30] square is, who's parking there, who's
[2:32:32] using it. Um and
[2:32:35] you're right, consistency. Um and then
[2:32:37] also overregulation. If you have, you
[2:32:40] know, if you have an area of school
[2:32:43] street that's between Franklin and
[2:32:45] Pabler, we couldn't find a we could not
[2:32:48] find a reason that said that's an for
[2:32:51] this reason we would want to restrict
[2:32:53] parking there for x number of hours and
[2:32:56] then allow it un unrestricted on the on
[2:32:59] the overnights. We we couldn't find a
[2:33:01] reason to keep them there in some cases.
[2:33:04] >> Okay.
[2:33:06] If you're looking for general comments,
[2:33:07] that's my general first.
[2:33:08] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean.
[2:33:10] >> Um, Lieutenant, aren't these
[2:33:12] restrictions all resident?
[2:33:14] >> You want to just speak to the mic? I'm
[2:33:15] sorry.
[2:33:15] >> I'm sorry.
[2:33:16] >> So people at home can Sorry.
[2:33:19] >> Sorry about that.
[2:33:20] >> Aren't these restrictions um resident
[2:33:23] driven?
[2:33:26] I mean, we didn't
[2:33:28] >> we didn't just put these in. These are
[2:33:29] people complaining about parking front
[2:33:32] of the house. Is that right?
[2:33:35] I would I I I don't want to say that I
[2:33:38] have direct knowledge. I would guess
[2:33:40] that did happen. I I think it would also
[2:33:42] be it would be like the businesses kind
[2:33:45] of we see a lot of complaints over like
[2:33:47] schools spilling out into residential
[2:33:49] communities. I would think that occurred
[2:33:51] here. Um but I wasn't part of any of
[2:33:55] those conversation, but I would assume
[2:33:56] at some point residents did come forward
[2:33:58] and ask for certain things in their
[2:33:59] neighborhoods. Um, again, I just don't
[2:34:02] know how far back these go where the the
[2:34:04] actual ask came from.
[2:34:06] >> Is is the places that you want to get
[2:34:09] rid of the restrictions, have those
[2:34:11] neighbors neighbors received
[2:34:14] notification that those would go away?
[2:34:17] >> No.
[2:34:18] >> Should shouldn't we do that?
[2:34:20] >> I think that would be a decision for
[2:34:22] this board to make. uh uh if we want to
[2:34:26] have notifications to the neighbors,
[2:34:29] it's not up to the staff. It's not
[2:34:30] required.
[2:34:31] >> Yeah.
[2:34:32] >> But if that's something we want to do,
[2:34:34] we can decide to do that and then uh
[2:34:37] give ample time to the town manager and
[2:34:40] staff to do that.
[2:34:41] >> Okay. Yeah, that's that's what I'm
[2:34:43] getting at.
[2:34:45] >> So, thank you.
[2:34:46] >> Thank you,
[2:34:47] >> Member Bennett.
[2:34:49] >> I tend to agree with Michael. Um what
[2:34:52] >> these are residential neighborhoods.
[2:34:55] Uh we should at least ask the residents
[2:34:58] their thoughts. Do they have any history
[2:35:02] on why their street is
[2:35:05] posted as it is? Do they have any
[2:35:08] objections to changing it? Uh that's a
[2:35:11] lot of work to compile and come up with
[2:35:15] some consistency.
[2:35:18] But I think it behooves us to table this
[2:35:20] discussion till the neighbors have been
[2:35:22] notified. I mean, Paid Street, it's two
[2:35:25] hours.
[2:35:28] Same people come back every day.
[2:35:31] [snorts] Are you going to change the two
[2:35:32] hours to reflect what's actually
[2:35:35] happening on that street?
[2:35:38] I don't see it being proposed here, but
[2:35:41] I think um we need to hear from the
[2:35:44] residents
[2:35:46] and I think we should table this.
[2:35:48] >> Okay, I found this on
[2:35:50] >> Okay, thank you. [laughter]
[2:35:52] Done.
[2:35:53] >> She agrees. Uh but in all seriousness,
[2:35:56] we need to hear from the residents.
[2:36:01] » Thank you, Member Bennett.
[2:36:02] >> Yeah, I have to agree with um both Mike
[2:36:04] and Dan. I think um we have to um hear
[2:36:10] from the residences and see you know
[2:36:12] what what are their thoughts you know
[2:36:15] how did this come about has there really
[2:36:16] been a traffic study done you know like
[2:36:20] we want to hear from the businesses the
[2:36:22] residents that live there I think we
[2:36:24] should table this too because I I don't
[2:36:27] want to
[2:36:28] >> do anything without hearing from the
[2:36:29] people
[2:36:30] >> right it's their neighborhoods
[2:36:32] >> Mr. chairman to that point.
[2:36:34] >> Just one second until she's done. Yeah.
[2:36:36] >> I I I I I I just think that um you know,
[2:36:39] a lot of people have come tonight. We
[2:36:41] can hear what they have to say. You
[2:36:43] know, right now with these people that
[2:36:44] have waited all night really and then
[2:36:47] but I you know and then notices going
[2:36:50] out to people too. I you know it's been
[2:36:53] said
[2:36:53] >> delay is not going to hurt anybody,
[2:36:55] >> right?
[2:36:56] >> Okay.
[2:36:56] >> Mr. Chairman, I think that's uh I had
[2:36:58] the same reaction. And I had a
[2:37:00] discussion with the town manager about
[2:37:02] the traffic advisory committee. I was
[2:37:04] surprised to learn that it was not that
[2:37:07] because of its of its design and nature
[2:37:09] because I had never been to one. Even in
[2:37:12] all my years, I hadn't had the
[2:37:13] opportunity to go to one or need to go
[2:37:15] to one. Didn't realize it was not
[2:37:16] subject to open meeting. Did not realize
[2:37:18] it was um not subject to uh uh neighbor
[2:37:22] notification or a butter notification.
[2:37:25] It would be because then we'd be open up
[2:37:27] a Pandora's box for other committees
[2:37:29] that are also not in that realm. Why
[2:37:33] didn't you tell me? Why don't you tell
[2:37:34] me? So, Mr. Bates alluded to it in his
[2:37:37] opening new business comments. I
[2:37:40] [laughter and clears throat] think we do
[2:37:40] need to do a restructure of that and I
[2:37:43] think in this case it should be
[2:37:46] discussed with the board about some of
[2:37:47] the recommendations and then I think
[2:37:50] there should be a workshop and you
[2:37:52] invite the neighbors to a workshop and
[2:37:54] get their feedback. There is some stuff
[2:37:55] here that I'll want to talk about later
[2:37:57] tonight that I think will have immediate
[2:38:00] impact and in discussion by some of the
[2:38:02] neighbors. But I have a lot of thoughts
[2:38:03] on on these changes and I I pass out
[2:38:07] maps that I was going to go through, but
[2:38:09] you know, and I don't want to make
[2:38:11] people feel that they didn't get their
[2:38:15] time. Um, but there's a lot of things in
[2:38:19] here that I see as inconsistent um, and
[2:38:21] would make recommendations. And I did I
[2:38:23] heard from one neighbor, why is why is
[2:38:25] there one piece of Alden Street that's
[2:38:27] three hours and it's the only three-hour
[2:38:29] zone in the entire town? He knew the
[2:38:31] history and it's such a history that he
[2:38:34] was not opposed to changing that. But we
[2:38:37] should hear that and if you're going to
[2:38:39] change something that's in someone front
[2:38:41] of someone's house, good, bad or
[2:38:43] indifferent, uh we should invite them to
[2:38:46] participate.
[2:38:47] >> Okay. So, I I'm I'm kind of hearing
[2:38:51] a sense of like the board is leaning
[2:38:54] toward
[2:38:56] um having
[2:38:58] u notifications go out to residents. But
[2:39:03] I want to remind us that I mean this is for us. This is not for DACA. So
[2:39:10] um I want to make sure that what we are
[2:39:14] saying is if we want to notify residents
[2:39:17] then we want them to come here and I
[2:39:20] will even be open to a site visit on
[2:39:23] some of these places cuz it's one thing
[2:39:26] to look at the map it's another thing to
[2:39:29] get on the ground and see what is
[2:39:32] actually happening like member bait was
[2:39:35] saying earlier if the boys open to that
[2:39:37] we can coordinate something like that.
[2:39:40] But what I'm suggesting is that would be
[2:39:42] a very large endeavor and I would
[2:39:43] recommend based on historic with big
[2:39:45] issues like this we could have a
[2:39:47] selectman organized workshop
[2:39:51] after I would like the opportunity my
[2:39:53] thought is I would like the opportunity
[2:39:54] to give my feedback to t DTAC what I
[2:39:57] heard what the neighbors have presented
[2:39:58] what they've offered as modifications
[2:40:00] changes whatever it is that I see is
[2:40:02] reasonable because this opened a
[2:40:05] Pandora's box I went through the entire
[2:40:06] thing and there are other changes that
[2:40:08] need to be made um more more updates
[2:40:11] that I would recommend as well. It is
[2:40:13] our document. It is the one but but we I
[2:40:16] also respect the fact that they have
[2:40:19] understanding and knowledge that I don't
[2:40:21] have. The police know when there's
[2:40:23] traffic safety issues or accident
[2:40:25] statistics. The other divisions know
[2:40:29] other reasons why these things go on.
[2:40:31] Just not my anecdotal observation. I
[2:40:33] don't live on Park Street. I don't see
[2:40:35] their day-to-day lives. So, it's hard
[2:40:37] for me.
[2:40:39] I have an idea of what should change and
[2:40:41] I may even recommend what should change,
[2:40:43] but I don't think that we shouldn't I
[2:40:46] agree with you. We should do it in a
[2:40:47] workshop, not in a necessarily a select
[2:40:49] board member meeting.
[2:40:50] >> Okay. Thank you. So, let me uh hear from
[2:40:53] some residents if they want to speak uh
[2:40:57] and then I can come back to the board.
[2:40:59] Um if you want to just go to the
[2:41:02] microphone and introduce yourself.
[2:41:05] Perfect. So, um, Alex Fish, I live at 37
[2:41:08] Park Street. I'm one of the residents.
[2:41:10] Um, so appreciate you tableabling
[2:41:13] discussion on Park Street. That's
[2:41:14] obviously our main concern here and I'm
[2:41:17] part of a contingent that is here
[2:41:19] concerned. This is the third time we've
[2:41:21] actually been in this room talking about
[2:41:22] this. We actually want to even take it
[2:41:25] one step further and and we want to
[2:41:26] address the safety concern specifically
[2:41:29] on Park Street between Alden and Barry.
[2:41:31] Um, I think our circumstance is getting
[2:41:35] kind of lumped in with the reszoning and
[2:41:38] we want to address or have you guys look
[2:41:40] at the safety concerns. Um, so this
[2:41:43] block is unique. You know, the width of
[2:41:45] the road um essentially has to cover
[2:41:47] three lanes of traffic. One being
[2:41:49] permanently parked cars now and then
[2:41:51] two-way traffic. Um, it's the school
[2:41:54] that everyone drives their kids to to
[2:41:55] the middle school. It's where kids walk.
[2:41:58] Um, and there's been zero, well,
[2:42:01] practically zero enforcement for years
[2:42:03] despite our complaints over years. And I
[2:42:06] think as Lieutenant Sullivan mentioned,
[2:42:07] that's part of the problem. We put a
[2:42:09] presentation together for for the for
[2:42:11] the board that we sent out last night
[2:42:12] and this morning. Um, so um, hope you
[2:42:15] got to see that. Uh it covers our safety
[2:42:18] concerns um across the board, especially
[2:42:21] for kids that are getting on the bus,
[2:42:24] all the parking that exists, the fact
[2:42:25] that people have to weave around cars
[2:42:27] onto the curbs. Um and we're really
[2:42:29] asking the town, I think what was
[2:42:31] mentioned, to do a safety review, and
[2:42:33] then seriously consider no like, you
[2:42:36] know, no parking lot at all on this side
[2:42:38] of Park Street. So, um looking for your
[2:42:40] help. I think the workshop is a is a
[2:42:42] great idea. We'd love to be a part of
[2:42:44] that and uh you know appreciate your
[2:42:45] time so I'll yield the floor to others.
[2:42:47] Thank you.
[2:42:49] >> Thank you. Uh yes
[2:43:00] » closer [clears throat]
[2:43:01] town meeting member precinct one. This
[2:43:04] is this study was done recently. Is is
[2:43:08] there a schedule for a study like this
[2:43:10] to be done periodically say every three
[2:43:13] or five years? Danas is a growing
[2:43:15] community. Resident residential areas
[2:43:19] change what's needed not needed for
[2:43:22] whatever the reason is a re review
[2:43:25] period periodic review period made to
[2:43:29] see if changes should go back to what
[2:43:32] they were or should even be moved ahead
[2:43:34] of where they are. Just a question.
[2:43:38] >> Okay. Thank you.
[2:43:39] >> Thank you.
[2:43:39] >> I mean, madame [clears throat] town
[2:43:40] manager, correct me if I don't think
[2:43:42] this was necessarily a study. I think
[2:43:44] this was
[2:43:45] >> a way to want to address some
[2:43:47] inconsistencies between some parking
[2:43:50] signs and what we have in the books. Is
[2:43:53] that correct?
[2:43:53] >> Correct. This was a combination of
[2:43:55] hearing from um they had heard from some
[2:43:57] residents also in the downtown area. So,
[2:44:00] they were addressing that the changes in
[2:44:02] uh the work we were doing downtown. So
[2:44:04] they were down there seeing it more. So
[2:44:06] it kind of all came together. But no, it
[2:44:08] was not a formal study and no, there is
[2:44:10] no formal request um at this time by the
[2:44:14] board for staff to review parking in any
[2:44:16] one area on a regular basis.
[2:44:20] >> Thank you. Any other public comments?
[2:44:32] Hello, my name is Ken Crowley. I live at
[2:44:34] 35 Park Street, the affected area. Um,
[2:44:37] so there has been very little
[2:44:40] enforcement. I asked for information
[2:44:43] about traffic tickets and I was the
[2:44:46] information I got said there have been
[2:44:47] two traffic tickets in the last 12
[2:44:50] months issued and one was appealed
[2:44:52] successfully. So really only one in a
[2:44:54] year.
[2:44:56] There could be you you I like the the thought of coming down to Park
[2:45:00] Street because it is parked very
[2:45:03] consistently and very busily. So I I'll
[2:45:07] have the fishes in front of their house
[2:45:09] every single day all day long. Cars
[2:45:12] parked. Believe me, it's a 1-hour
[2:45:14] parking zone. They are more than an hour, 2 hours, 3 hours,
[2:45:20] four hours, 5 hours. Sometimes not
[2:45:22] enforced. There's there's a restriction
[2:45:24] on the books for parking near
[2:45:26] intersection. People park right up to
[2:45:28] the intersection. It makes cars who come
[2:45:31] down from the cross street poke out
[2:45:33] about halfway into the street because
[2:45:35] they can't see. Um in my house um I live
[2:45:40] on um I live in a corner so the Berry
[2:45:45] Street provision affects me. I did not
[2:45:47] know about that being struck from the
[2:45:50] regulations until I read the agenda.
[2:45:52] this evening. So, it goes to the
[2:45:54] notification, which I like is a good
[2:45:55] idea because I I was not notified and I
[2:45:58] think I found out the hard way about the recommendation from DTAC to
[2:46:04] eliminate Park Street restrictions
[2:46:05] altogether. I think I I could have
[2:46:08] easily have missed that and could have
[2:46:10] gone to you and you said, "No
[2:46:11] objections. Let's pass it." And I would
[2:46:13] have been stuck with it. Um, the the
[2:46:15] last thing I would say is that people
[2:46:17] frequently park a foot or more over my
[2:46:20] end of my driveway. There's got to be a regulation on that. I don't, as far as
[2:46:25] I know, nobody's ever gotten a ticket.
[2:46:27] And I have plenty of pictures to prove
[2:46:29] that people have done so. A foot, 2
[2:46:32] feet, 3 feet. One time during a
[2:46:34] snowstorm, and granted it wasn't a a bad
[2:46:37] snowstorm. Two days somebody was right
[2:46:39] in the middle of my driveway. So, even
[2:46:41] if I cleared the driveway, I couldn't
[2:46:43] get out. And the last thing I'll say is
[2:46:46] that, you know, the street sweeper has
[2:46:47] an easy job on Park Street. It can't get
[2:46:49] to the curb. The the snow plow has an
[2:46:53] easier job on Park Street. It can't get
[2:46:55] to the curb. And when it does, it goes
[2:46:58] around cars as it would. It's not going
[2:46:59] to plow the car and it leaves a swale at
[2:47:02] the end of my driveway. So, that's more
[2:47:04] snow I have to shovel to get out of my
[2:47:06] own driveway. So there's seems to be an
[2:47:08] incentive um for to reward people who
[2:47:12] have insufficient parking or don't have
[2:47:14] any parking like the apartment building
[2:47:16] across from me as opposed to people who
[2:47:19] live in the neighborhood because if you
[2:47:21] live there and you can't park in front
[2:47:23] of your own house or or beside it, it's
[2:47:25] kind of an issue to me anyway. So thank
[2:47:28] you for your time.
[2:47:30] >> Thank you. Um
[2:47:33] any other questions, comments? All
[2:47:36] right.
[2:47:40] » All right. Good evening, select board.
[2:47:42] Um, my name is Mary and I live on Park
[2:47:44] Street. Surprise, surprise. Or I
[2:47:46] actually motion, I don't know if I'm
[2:47:47] allowed to do this, and rename it Park
[2:47:49] Street because they never move. I'm here
[2:47:52] as a mother of two school-aged children
[2:47:54] and a neighbor to ask for help. In fact,
[2:47:57] all of the abuing neighbors on Park
[2:47:59] Street between Alden and Barry are here
[2:48:01] and aligned on the same safety concern.
[2:48:04] We collectively total more than 130
[2:48:07] years of Danverse living across only
[2:48:10] four homes and I rounded down for
[2:48:12] people's age.
[2:48:15] We already live with the recommendation
[2:48:17] you're considering. The parking
[2:48:19] restrictions on this stretch stretch of
[2:48:21] Park Street between Alden and Barry have
[2:48:23] effectively been gone and uninforced for
[2:48:25] years. That decision was made without
[2:48:28] your vote or a conversation and we've
[2:48:30] been living the consequences ever since
[2:48:32] and that is not up for debate. In the
[2:48:34] last year, minus snowb, two tickets have
[2:48:37] been written. As Ken said, two. That's
[2:48:40] less than the number of accidents on the
[2:48:42] street and less than the number of
[2:48:43] vandalism reports, as Lieutenant
[2:48:45] Sullivan mentioned. So, this isn't
[2:48:47] hypothetical. We know what happens, and
[2:48:49] we're living it. Cars park right up to
[2:48:52] the corners, blocking visibility. You
[2:48:53] guys have more pictures than you can
[2:48:55] deal with right now. They park up to 4
[2:48:57] feet from the curb. Okay, that's also a
[2:49:00] serious number. and that was witnessed
[2:49:02] by one of the select board members. They
[2:49:05] park across the mouths of driveways so
[2:49:07] that they have to edge out blindly into
[2:49:08] the street. The pages of pictures prove
[2:49:11] this and there are certainly more that
[2:49:13] we can share and plenty of videos.
[2:49:15] [clears throat] Vehicles swerve to pass
[2:49:17] each other since they can't pass a line
[2:49:18] of parked cars and buses and large
[2:49:21] vehicles cause traffic to stop on either
[2:49:23] side. If the transcript from the DTAC
[2:49:26] meeting was available, you could hear
[2:49:27] the comment and acknowledgement from
[2:49:29] members that everyone knows this part of
[2:49:32] Park Street is quote unquote a disa
[2:49:34] disaster or quote unquote a mess and
[2:49:36] that the suggestion is that it doesn't
[2:49:38] sound like there should be parking at
[2:49:39] all. Put the signage aside. None of the
[2:49:42] other violations have been enforced in
[2:49:44] more than a year and we don't believe
[2:49:46] any level of enforcement would be
[2:49:48] meaningful at this point. This is a
[2:49:50] unique area and as you know needs unique
[2:49:53] consideration and they have not been
[2:49:55] fully considered. As you heard this was
[2:49:56] not a study. These considerations need
[2:49:59] to be the school, the park, the density,
[2:50:02] the street side, the speed, the
[2:50:04] cutthrough of the downtown and the
[2:50:06] vandalism all without a traffic study
[2:50:08] that we have asked for.
[2:50:11] The town clears the sidewalks in front
[2:50:13] of our homes for snow so that kids can
[2:50:14] attempt to walk to school safely. We are
[2:50:17] asking you to extend the same safety to
[2:50:19] the street. Streets that are full of
[2:50:21] bikes, parked cars, and speeding
[2:50:22] traffic. Please choose people's public
[2:50:25] safety over people's convenient parking.
[2:50:27] Berry Street, if this proceeds forward,
[2:50:29] is now available. A public lot is so
[2:50:32] close by, less than 100 ft, and the
[2:50:34] tenants have their own parking, they
[2:50:35] choose to daily violate the law because
[2:50:37] it's been allowed systemically. Please
[2:50:40] remove parking or heavily restrict
[2:50:42] during school hours and overnight. You
[2:50:43] got it.
[2:50:48] Thank you. Um any Sure.
[2:50:59] » Hi Wally Typbert 16 Alden Street. Um so
[2:51:02] thank you mayor. You covered most of the
[2:51:03] big points but our
[2:51:07] neighborhood has kind of ebbed and
[2:51:09] flowed with the I'm going to use the
[2:51:12] density word of downtown. And I know
[2:51:13] that's kind of where we're going um with
[2:51:18] changing all our parking restrictions
[2:51:20] and and their public streets. We love
[2:51:21] having everybody in. Um but not just our
[2:51:25] neighborhood, which is literally riddled
[2:51:27] with traffic. As soon as 128 backs up,
[2:51:29] everybody bails and everybody's been in our neighborhood.
[2:51:33] Um, but School Street, the other end of
[2:51:36] School Street, uh, if we allow parking
[2:51:38] there all the time, you can't get two
[2:51:40] cars up and down that street on a good
[2:51:42] day. So, if cars are parked for 72
[2:51:45] hours, which is the max, um, you you're
[2:51:48] never going to get up and down there.
[2:51:50] And if the hardware store project goes
[2:51:52] in and the density picks up there, that
[2:51:54] neighborhood will will be just like
[2:51:57] ours. I mean, it's a problem all around
[2:51:59] town. It's not just here. It just
[2:52:00] happens to be more of a safety issue
[2:52:02] right now in our neighborhood. If we
[2:52:05] lift the parking bans on the adjacent
[2:52:08] streets on Barry, on Alden, uh the ones
[2:52:11] over on Chase, then the problems that
[2:52:13] are on Park Street right now are just
[2:52:15] going to go to the adjacent streets.
[2:52:17] So really, it's got to be more of an
[2:52:19] effort to control our entire density of
[2:52:23] downtown as as we progress to build out
[2:52:25] more and more than it is, you know, try
[2:52:29] to solve this problem for today, which I
[2:52:31] understand that's what the DTAC was
[2:52:33] trying to do, but it's kind of has to go
[2:52:36] a little farther than that. You know, I appreciate everybody putting together
[2:52:42] a a select board meeting so that the all
[2:52:44] the rest of the residents, I mean, if we
[2:52:47] had not had the vandalism issue that
[2:52:49] came right now, all of this would have
[2:52:52] passed. DTAC already had it in motion.
[2:52:55] Um,
[2:52:57] it was already coming to you tonight
[2:52:58] whether we had this issue or not. And
[2:53:00] you would have voted on it not knowing
[2:53:02] that this happened.
[2:53:05] and we we wouldn't have had the
[2:53:07] opportunity to come here and tell you
[2:53:08] this is our density problem. This is our
[2:53:09] neighborhood problem, our school
[2:53:11] problem. Um I'm fortunate enough to
[2:53:14] watch our neighborhood roll for the
[2:53:16] third time in my life back to multiple
[2:53:18] families uh with small children, which
[2:53:21] in my neighborhood I love to see that.
[2:53:23] So they're all out in the yards, you
[2:53:24] know, they're they're coming in and out
[2:53:26] in the cars backing onto the streets
[2:53:27] that were literally
[2:53:30] I hate to say speeding, but heavily
[2:53:32] trafficked through, you know. So, so the
[2:53:34] density in our neighborhood, I guess
[2:53:36] what I'm saying, uh, is already
[2:53:38] existent. Um, but but it's our
[2:53:41] neighborhood, you know, and and I'm
[2:53:42] going to be selfish here for a minute
[2:53:43] and say I don't need the density any any
[2:53:46] higher, you know. I I need downtown to
[2:53:48] succeed. We all need that to happen. Um,
[2:53:51] but not at the cost of our neighborhood.
[2:53:53] And that's where it feels like we're
[2:53:55] going. You know, we don't have a choice.
[2:53:57] It's going to bleed out. We can control
[2:53:59] it or we cannot control it. eliminating
[2:54:00] all of the time parking uh will not help
[2:54:04] control it.
[2:54:05] >> Thank you.
[2:54:09] >> Any other comments?
[2:54:19] I'm Cindy Nelson. I live at 12 Berry
[2:54:22] Street, the corner of Park and Berry.
[2:54:24] Lived there couple months short of 30
[2:54:27] years. I've seen it all.
[2:54:31] I'll start by saying I would love to be
[2:54:33] able to play kickball,
[2:54:36] which I could do 30 years ago when I
[2:54:39] moved in. Now I have to look both ways
[2:54:42] before I cross my street to go to Mary's
[2:54:46] house. And that's not even Park Street,
[2:54:50] Side Street. I just want to get our
[2:54:53] safety back.
[2:54:55] I want that feeling
[2:54:58] of being safe.
[2:55:01] It doesn't feel the same.
[2:55:04] Attitudes have changed.
[2:55:07] People are entitled
[2:55:10] and we're not safe.
[2:55:13] I want my safety back. I want Mary's
[2:55:16] children be safe. I
[2:55:19] want a nice world. Thank you.
[2:55:27] [clears throat] Um, any other person
[2:55:32] hear? None. Okay. So, uh, going back to
[2:55:34] the board, uh, member twice, comments,
[2:55:38] questions?
[2:55:39] >> Sure.
[2:55:40] >> Um, I think that I I think that sending
[2:55:42] this back for more work is per is is a
[2:55:45] sound decision, but I I also have
[2:55:46] another concern.
[2:55:49] The solution
[2:55:53] was it was a confluence of several
[2:55:56] things. Safety concerns that people were
[2:55:58] bringing up. At the same time, people
[2:56:00] were talking about the enforcement
[2:56:02] issues. At the same time, people were
[2:56:03] talking about uh the economic changes
[2:56:06] and the changes in that may necessitate
[2:56:09] consistency in the in the parking. Um, I
[2:56:12] want to remind people that it's just not
[2:56:14] the economy of downtown or or the the structure of downtown businesses,
[2:56:18] which I would argue would demand tighter
[2:56:22] hours. I'm glad that the street, you
[2:56:24] know, Elm, uh, Maple, uh, High Street or
[2:56:27] one hours and some some of the
[2:56:28] surrounding communities because those
[2:56:30] businesses are service commodity
[2:56:32] businesses. They want turnover. They
[2:56:33] want people in, they want people out.
[2:56:35] Coffee shops expecting some, they want
[2:56:37] the turnover. They want people to be
[2:56:38] parked. We all hear there's not enough
[2:56:40] parking downtown. So 1 hour I you might
[2:56:44] even shorten it. I don't know. But
[2:56:46] that's one thing. The enforcement um is
[2:56:50] an issue too is the the consistency of
[2:56:52] enforcement is important. Um I I spent a
[2:56:55] lot of time with the neighbors in that
[2:56:56] neighborhood. They they they referred to
[2:56:57] me when they said I saw certain things
[2:56:59] and I did. I witnessed them myself. cars
[2:57:01] parked 15 20 inches away from the curb
[2:57:05] which then created a condition where car
[2:57:08] you couldn't have two-way traffic
[2:57:09] anymore uh if someone had to stop. I saw
[2:57:12] safety concerns and I want to talk about
[2:57:14] that in a second but we need to have the
[2:57:16] consistency and enforcement because when
[2:57:18] we don't as has happened it becomes a
[2:57:22] neighbor versus neighbor issue not a
[2:57:24] neighbor versus the town's parking
[2:57:27] rules. Um, it was unfortunate things
[2:57:30] have happened that pitted neighbor
[2:57:32] against neighbor and it shouldn't have.
[2:57:34] Um, but I'd like to speak to the to to
[2:57:36] the safety issue. That's a cut through.
[2:57:38] I cut through there all the time. If I
[2:57:41] have to get from Locust Street to High
[2:57:43] Street, I am going to go down by St.
[2:57:45] Mary's, cut straight across and then up
[2:57:48] Park because I'm going to avoid a couple
[2:57:50] of light cycles. Um, and I just know
[2:57:52] it'll back up. And I know that I do it
[2:57:54] responsibly, but I can't guarantee
[2:57:56] everybody does. It's a very uh very
[2:57:58] welltraveled by people other than the
[2:58:01] residents or the schools. Um
[2:58:04] we also have an issue. I love the way we
[2:58:07] redid the curbs, by the way. I love how
[2:58:10] we did the curb bumpouts. I love that it
[2:58:12] minimizes the amount of crossing time. I
[2:58:13] love the fact that we're getting all the
[2:58:14] paving done. Kudos to all the people who
[2:58:17] are involved in that. I think it's
[2:58:19] fantastic. But it does generate some new
[2:58:22] situations.
[2:58:23] For example, if you're coming out of
[2:58:26] Park Street onto High Street,
[2:58:29] I can guarantee you if you're waiting at
[2:58:31] that stop light, if you're waiting to
[2:58:33] progress, a fire truck could not make
[2:58:35] that corner to go onto Park Street at
[2:58:37] this point because they have to go
[2:58:39] further out to make that swing. Um, I'm
[2:58:42] going to suggest, yes, as you suggested
[2:58:45] also, this be turned back, but as we are
[2:58:48] traffic enforcement, I'm going to
[2:58:49] suggest I'm going to make a motion at
[2:58:52] the appropriate time that we as the
[2:58:55] traffic board can make and I think it's
[2:58:57] fine under even though because we said
[2:59:00] we were going to talk about traffic
[2:59:01] tonight, I'm going to move that we
[2:59:04] create a no parking zone from High
[2:59:06] Street to Berry Street, which will
[2:59:09] eliminate, I think, four or five parking
[2:59:11] spots. thoughts until a time that we can
[2:59:13] do a study because I would actually ask
[2:59:15] Lieutenant Sullivan who has sat and
[2:59:18] witnessed his impression of safety on
[2:59:20] that on that section of street. I think
[2:59:23] we need to error in the side of caution
[2:59:26] create new parking until we determine it
[2:59:28] if we determine it's safe and then put
[2:59:30] it back and do the appropriate
[2:59:32] enforcement and where we put it back.
[2:59:34] But I think setting the all the changes
[2:59:37] aside and I have many comments about
[2:59:38] those. I would motion that we as the
[2:59:41] traffic advisory committee, as the
[2:59:43] traffic enforcement or whatever our
[2:59:45] title is in this case, as the body that
[2:59:48] decides this, I would make a motion that
[2:59:51] we have a no parking zone on both sides
[2:59:53] of the street from High Street to Berry
[2:59:57] Street to the head of Berry Street.
[2:59:59] >> Okay. [clears throat] So it's it's
[3:00:02] I think we if my understanding was was
[3:00:05] that we needed to inform the residents
[3:00:10] and kind of have the workshop or talk
[3:00:12] about it.
[3:00:13] >> The all the residents that will be
[3:00:15] affected are in this room. Yeah,
[3:00:18] >> they were actually physically in this
[3:00:19] room and I have talked to all of them
[3:00:20] and they have say they have supportive I
[3:00:22] asked them they there were several
[3:00:24] options that we were that they were
[3:00:26] going to propose or I was going to
[3:00:28] propose on their behalf. This is one of
[3:00:30] them and they're all supportive of
[3:00:33] losing those four or five parking spots
[3:00:35] for the sake of safety. The issue is in
[3:00:38] front of the Fisher's house there are
[3:00:40] cars that park there all day long.
[3:00:42] That's the same side of the street that
[3:00:43] the school bus parks picks up their
[3:00:45] child going to the middle school. So,
[3:00:48] they have to walk between park cars in a
[3:00:50] in an unsafe condition to get them on
[3:00:52] the bus. So, just error on the side of
[3:00:55] safety right now. Look at it and decide
[3:00:57] if there's a safe way to have parking on
[3:01:00] one side or the other. Uh, I think we've
[3:01:03] added to the concerns by by the
[3:01:06] excellent road work we did, but I I
[3:01:09] think I I it to me they've demonstrated
[3:01:11] a clear safety issue and I would
[3:01:13] actually ask through you if Lieutenant
[3:01:16] Sulliv can can comment about the safety
[3:01:18] issues he's seen in that area.
[3:01:20] >> Okay. So, um, yeah, Lieutenant Go. I
[3:01:24] mean because my initial thought is
[3:01:29] eliminating parking without informing
[3:01:33] the I mean I understand some of the
[3:01:35] residents are here but
[3:01:38] there also other people within the town
[3:01:41] who
[3:01:43] may want to have a say. Uh but what say
[3:01:47] you uh I [clears throat] had the
[3:01:49] opportunity after our first meeting um I
[3:01:51] met with Mrs. fish after our two I think
[3:01:54] we were here for two hours and we got to
[3:01:56] sit on Park Street and watch what was
[3:01:58] going on. I happened to be in an
[3:01:59] unmarked cruiser. Um I was unfamiliar
[3:02:02] with some of the cars who were in in
[3:02:04] their neighborhood. Um and just while I
[3:02:06] was sitting there, you could see when
[3:02:08] the person discovers that it's a
[3:02:10] cruiser. Um they were about to go
[3:02:12] through the the stop sign. Um they they
[3:02:14] saw me. Um some people when they saw a
[3:02:16] cruiser, they started coming out to move
[3:02:18] their cars uh because they thought they
[3:02:20] were going to be tagged. Um, while we
[3:02:22] were there, there were uh lots of kids,
[3:02:25] as we know on bikes, we oddly enough did
[3:02:27] see a one child on a skateboard and not
[3:02:29] with the motor. He actually had to push
[3:02:31] himself.
[3:02:32] >> Uh, I didn't know they still made those.
[3:02:34] Um, but just the um, you know, but
[3:02:36] people are commenting on the use of the
[3:02:38] school. I do think a lot of
[3:02:40] my paragraph here was specific to a one or two hour parking regulation
[3:02:46] there. Um, I do think DTAC, the police
[3:02:49] department, and the select board could
[3:02:50] take a look at the entire Backbay
[3:02:52] neighborhood and see what could be done,
[3:02:54] what's happening, and what can be done
[3:02:56] to improve the safety for everyone using
[3:02:57] it. Um, I do think the the the most of
[3:03:02] the parking and traffic regulations we
[3:03:03] have now were from when the middle
[3:03:04] school wasn't the middle school. It was
[3:03:07] an alternative high school. Um, that was
[3:03:10] it was a much smaller school. So, now we
[3:03:13] have a fully functioning middle school
[3:03:15] there. once again. Um, and I don't think
[3:03:18] any of the regulations have changed
[3:03:19] other than the 25 mph thickly settled
[3:03:22] district. I think is the only change we
[3:03:24] made in the area. But I do think there's
[3:03:26] an opportunity going forward to talk to
[3:03:28] so we have a traffic engineer that works
[3:03:30] part of uh the the committee um
[3:03:33] engineering DPW police select board
[3:03:36] community members and see how we can
[3:03:38] make the the neighborhood safe which I
[3:03:41] think would be a longer term
[3:03:42] conversation aside from but also
[3:03:46] including parking regulations as to
[3:03:48] what's happening there and there there
[3:03:49] are lots of things you can do through uh through engineering projects
[3:03:53] uh as as You see, if I put a cruiser
[3:03:56] there, um they see me, they may or may
[3:03:58] not stop. Um I I shared with the um the
[3:04:03] residents, so some of the um some of the
[3:04:05] parents that pick up their students from
[3:04:07] the middle school. Um one mom was honest
[3:04:09] with me last year. She said, "I know how
[3:04:11] it works. Uh you come down for a couple
[3:04:14] of days and you move us along and then
[3:04:16] you come down a few more days later and
[3:04:18] we're still here, so you start writing
[3:04:19] tickets, but we know you're not going to
[3:04:21] keep coming. uh you can't come here
[3:04:23] every day. So, we just wait till you go
[3:04:24] away and we'll come back and we'll park
[3:04:26] here to pick up our kids. So, that's
[3:04:27] kind of what we're combating with the
[3:04:29] enforcement. We can't be everywhere at
[3:04:31] the same at the same time. So, some of
[3:04:32] these issues like speed, intersection
[3:04:34] crossings can be addressed through like
[3:04:36] engineering type projects.
[3:04:38] >> Okay. Thank you. Let me get a sense from
[3:04:41] other board member. Member Bennett.
[3:04:44] Well, I think we all agree we want to
[3:04:46] have a workshop to hear from the area so
[3:04:50] that everybody in the area of Backbay
[3:04:54] feels safe.
[3:04:57] What you're looking for Berry Street is
[3:05:00] looking for um immediate
[3:05:03] uh relief. Um I was not aware what was
[3:05:07] going on. I got an email today from Mr.
[3:05:10] Fish. I told him I'd walk the
[3:05:13] neighborhood. I did. I saw four cars
[3:05:16] parked on the street at 11:00.
[3:05:20] Obviously, school wasn't getting out. It
[3:05:23] I'm not sure that those four cars are
[3:05:25] the um repeat offenders. I don't go down
[3:05:30] there every day, but the road look
[3:05:32] clear. There's no parking one side. It's
[3:05:34] posted for the time limit on the other
[3:05:36] side. So, I mean, I really I I don't
[3:05:40] know. what we can do immediately
[3:05:43] tonight. Now, Garden has been more
[3:05:45] involved. Um, yes, cars have a habit of
[3:05:48] parking. Uh, not close enough to the
[3:05:51] curb. Uh, Page Street when they do that,
[3:05:54] we have less than 12 feet to get
[3:05:57] through. I don't know how much feet a
[3:06:00] fire truck needs, but I see trucks go
[3:06:03] very slowly to getting down there. And
[3:06:05] anybody that parks on Page Street
[3:06:07] doesn't pull their mirror in is asking
[3:06:09] for a problem. But that's a different
[3:06:11] story. Um, we need to do something. I'm
[3:06:15] not sure that a quick no parking is
[3:06:19] proper or not at this point.
[3:06:23] >> Member Bernard.
[3:06:24] >> Yeah. Um, with everybody too, I think,
[3:06:27] um, safety is number one. Um, that area
[3:06:31] is congested.
[3:06:33] Um, to hear what you said, Lieutenant
[3:06:35] Sullivan, thank you. that the parents
[3:06:37] have it figured out. You know, maybe we
[3:06:40] need to change it up and showing them we
[3:06:42] got to start ticketing them more and
[3:06:43] more to get them to stop. Um, you know,
[3:06:46] you've got sports, right? I mean, tons
[3:06:49] of kids. I mean, I bring my grandkids
[3:06:50] there. You know what I'm saying? Um, I'm
[3:06:53] concerned for the for the safety of the
[3:06:55] children and the neighbors. Um, I think
[3:06:58] a traffic study needs to be done, you
[3:07:00] know, in certain areas, high density
[3:07:02] area areas. Um I appreciate all the
[3:07:05] work, but I like what Gardner said
[3:07:07] about, you know, um the enforcement
[3:07:09] issues and uh the workshop, you know, um
[3:07:13] so the residents so we can hear it from
[3:07:15] everybody. And you know, like we talked
[3:07:17] about neighbors being
[3:07:19] um
[3:07:21] let let the neighbors know that. Get it
[3:07:23] out there so they do know to show up and
[3:07:26] show their concern so we can hear it. I
[3:07:28] don't I don't want to make any decisions
[3:07:30] tonight either. I'd like to table it and
[3:07:33] go along with my board members and uh
[3:07:38] get this safe for everything because
[3:07:39] I've driven down there. It is I'm with
[3:07:41] Gardner too. I'll cut through sometimes
[3:07:43] too and uh I'm very concerned you know
[3:07:46] we don't want anything bad to happen. So
[3:07:48] let's let's get ahead of it.
[3:07:51] >> Thank you.
[3:07:51] member Bean. And which I
[3:07:53] believe is also you're on the DTAG,
[3:07:55] right?
[3:07:56] >> Yes.
[3:07:56] >> Okay.
[3:07:57] >> Thank you very much. I appreciate you
[3:07:59] giving me this time. I'm kind of
[3:08:00] bursting at the seams here and I hate to
[3:08:02] be uh negative Nelly but um it comes
[3:08:06] back to the same thing I say at all the
[3:08:08] meetings which is uh work ethic and we
[3:08:11] have to get the people that are supposed
[3:08:13] to do their job getting out there doing
[3:08:14] it. I think that as selectable we should
[3:08:16] ask the police department to quadruple
[3:08:19] their traffic stop numbers. That's
[3:08:21] asking you to repeat the era that I
[3:08:24] worked there and nobody was breaking a
[3:08:26] sweat back then. And I don't want to
[3:08:29] talk like this, but
[3:08:32] uh enforcement has been said by four or
[3:08:34] five of the people that live on the
[3:08:36] street. And the traffic problem is
[3:08:38] everywhere. It's not just your street.
[3:08:40] It's everywhere. People don't know how
[3:08:42] to drive today. Kids don't know anything
[3:08:44] about what they're doing. Uh not that a
[3:08:47] lot. Well, I shouldn't just say kids,
[3:08:49] but you know, it's the traffic is awful.
[3:08:51] But the enforcement
[3:08:54] is the punishment for your poor driving
[3:08:57] behavior. And I don't think you guys
[3:09:00] have any more calls for service than
[3:09:02] when the era that I worked there. I
[3:09:03] think you have what 25 30,000 calls for
[3:09:06] service.
[3:09:06] >> Um, member Bean, I
[3:09:08] >> am Am I going off track?
[3:09:09] >> A little bit. So if you want to just
[3:09:11] stay
[3:09:11] >> I'm just saying that I think that
[3:09:13] >> the
[3:09:14] >> we need to ask them to do more
[3:09:17] enforcement to it does matter more
[3:09:21] tickets will stop this stuff from happen
[3:09:24] happening. That's just simple math. It
[3:09:27] will happen. There'll be less people
[3:09:29] speeding down the street. Random traffic
[3:09:32] situations. Mix it up. Don't make it,
[3:09:35] you know, common. But I don't want to
[3:09:36] tell you what to do. I'm just saying
[3:09:40] I think it can be dealt with and then
[3:09:42] all these other things and engineering
[3:09:44] and all that as well. But none of these
[3:09:46] rules mean anything without enforcement.
[3:09:48] So we can just it's just a waste of
[3:09:51] time.
[3:09:52] >> And I agree uh with Mr. Bean, but I do
[3:09:55] want to point out that one of one of the
[3:09:57] legs of this three-legged stool is
[3:09:59] parking enforcement. It's not just
[3:10:02] traffic enforcement. It's just speeding.
[3:10:04] It's the consistency of traffic
[3:10:05] enforcement. Because I can tell you in
[3:10:07] front of the Fisher's house, they have
[3:10:09] neighbors across the street in an
[3:10:10] apartment complex that consistently use
[3:10:12] those as their private parking spots.
[3:10:14] Even though they have other spots in
[3:10:16] their apartment complex, they find it
[3:10:18] easier to park across the street, see
[3:10:20] their car from their apartment, stay
[3:10:22] there all day or days. And I think that
[3:10:25] what we need to do is without changing
[3:10:28] anything I think we as a board should
[3:10:31] ask for more consistent enforcement even
[3:10:34] if it's a spotlight enforcement in that
[3:10:36] area just to alleviate that issue.
[3:10:38] That's one of the one of the conditions
[3:10:40] that are adding to this whole mix. So if you aren't gonna buy into the motion
[3:10:46] that we should have a safety zone um you
[3:10:48] know from High Street to the head of of
[3:10:52] Berry um and want to leave it the way it
[3:10:55] is, leave it the way it is, but make
[3:10:58] sure the enforcement they'll get the
[3:11:00] message. They'll they see that they see
[3:11:02] the patrol car. They see after 2 or 3
[3:11:04] days of of the uh parking enforcement
[3:11:07] person going down and ticketing them,
[3:11:08] they'll see that. And then it's then
[3:11:11] that those neighbors issues are with the
[3:11:14] town, not with the other surrounding
[3:11:16] neighbors. So I would minimally ask that
[3:11:19] we ask for heightened enforcement in in
[3:11:22] that area of Backbay.
[3:11:24] >> Okay. Thank you. So I I it seems to we
[3:11:28] seem to be building a consensus that
[3:11:31] we're going to table this issue.
[3:11:34] Uh but um recommend to the town manager
[3:11:39] to kind of see how we can increase
[3:11:42] enforcement activities in that area.
[3:11:46] >> Um
[3:11:47] >> if I may, Mr. Chairman, a just a couple
[3:11:49] of things. Um I appreciate everybody's
[3:11:51] comments and feedback tonight. Um a
[3:11:54] couple things that we can talk through
[3:11:55] for clarity either in um myself in the
[3:11:59] chair or you guys can talk through here
[3:12:01] understand table this um I'm hearing
[3:12:05] workshop a larger workshop on um on
[3:12:09] parking and traffic I agree that that
[3:12:11] you are the board who so our our team
[3:12:13] has spent several hours um and the
[3:12:16] fishes have been um participating in
[3:12:18] that talking about it so I think it's
[3:12:19] important that if the board hear it
[3:12:21] directly so I also recommend the
[3:12:24] workshop type um situation. Um so I I
[3:12:28] don't know if you guys want to talk that
[3:12:29] through or what that looks like now um
[3:12:33] or maybe later. I should probably put in
[3:12:34] perspective what your schedule looks
[3:12:36] like over the next um several months
[3:12:39] leading into special town meeting. Um
[3:12:41] the notification piece I'll need clarity
[3:12:43] on that as well too. notification, like
[3:12:46] I said at the start, is um is governed
[3:12:49] by Mass General law and when it comes to
[3:12:51] traffic changes, we're required to post
[3:12:53] it in a public newspaper after the
[3:12:55] decision is made, not my law. So, I'm
[3:12:58] not saying I support that, but that is
[3:12:59] what we are held accountable to. So, if
[3:13:02] the board wants something different than
[3:13:03] that, we need to better understand what
[3:13:05] that means. Um, I would recommend when
[3:13:07] you're talking about
[3:13:09] um a a notification this large, and I
[3:13:13] don't know if you guys have done this
[3:13:14] with some of your zoning, um, it's it's
[3:13:17] best to do a general notification um,
[3:13:19] because it's cost prohibitive and time
[3:13:20] prohibited to do every single resident
[3:13:22] and where do you cut off from, right?
[3:13:24] Like you might live on this street. Does
[3:13:26] the person in the back with their back
[3:13:28] to you also get it or not? So, it
[3:13:30] becomes complicated when you're covering
[3:13:31] a large space. So, we'll need clarity on
[3:13:34] that. Um, parking enforcement, uh, I
[3:13:39] agree, difficult to do. I've had
[3:13:41] concerns about parking enforcement since
[3:13:42] I started just because of the way we
[3:13:44] have it set up. We have one part-time
[3:13:47] parking enforcement officer. Um, there
[3:13:50] is no way the fishes are here in front
[3:13:52] of you and this neighborhood in front of
[3:13:53] you here today. But if the police
[3:13:56] brought in a log of all the parking
[3:13:57] enforcement calls they get and or we do
[3:13:59] at town hall, you would see that there's
[3:14:01] no way that one person, one part-time
[3:14:03] person can spotlight any one area. Um,
[3:14:06] so I think we need to clarify that. And
[3:14:09] I should uh also let you know that we've
[3:14:10] started already talking with the clerk
[3:14:12] and the chief on overhauling and looking
[3:14:15] at our parking enforcement in general.
[3:14:18] Um, I don't think we're set up for
[3:14:19] success in Danvers in parking
[3:14:21] enforcement. the um across the board. Um
[3:14:25] so I think there's a like I think if
[3:14:27] we're going to do this have that larger
[3:14:29] conversation, all of those pieces should
[3:14:31] be a part of it and there's some clarity
[3:14:32] that we will need going forward. Um, I
[3:14:36] will say also in order, and I believe
[3:14:39] Madame Clerk can clarify this and or
[3:14:41] Lieutenant Sullivan, if you want
[3:14:44] additional enforcement um on Park Street
[3:14:48] immediately, there is a correction that
[3:14:50] needs to be made in the book. If I
[3:14:52] understand this right, the signage in
[3:14:54] the book do not correspond. So, in order
[3:14:59] to So, if that's a result you guys want
[3:15:02] tonight, um there's something that we
[3:15:04] there is something that has to at least
[3:15:06] be clarified cuz I I think it's a side I
[3:15:08] think it's a I'm going to leave it to
[3:15:10] Lieutenant Sullivan and the clerk cuz
[3:15:13] they're the ones who are in the details
[3:15:14] of this. But if so, and I to get to the
[3:15:18] tickets only tickets have been written,
[3:15:19] but then they're appealed. They're
[3:15:21] appealed if there's an inconsistency
[3:15:22] between the signage and the what's in
[3:15:25] the traffic rules and ordinance. If
[3:15:27] there's if we are if it's and it's on
[3:15:29] the town, right? If we're not
[3:15:30] consistent, then we can't uphold if
[3:15:33] they'll they can appeal to take it
[3:15:34] beyond the clerk and then it'll just get
[3:15:36] thrown out, which is then the clerk has
[3:15:38] to go to cler court and this and that.
[3:15:39] So, if you want immediate
[3:15:42] um
[3:15:44] uh enforcement that will stick, I do
[3:15:47] believe there's a change that needs to
[3:15:48] be made tonight, which I don't think is
[3:15:50] what you're looking for in the big
[3:15:51] picture of changes, but I think it's justice even to enforce the 1 hour
[3:15:56] is what I'm getting at. even to enforce
[3:15:57] the 1 hour. I think there needs to be a
[3:15:59] change. But let's let Lieutenant
[3:16:00] Sullivan talk.
[3:16:01] >> So before Lieutenant Sullivan uh speaks,
[3:16:03] Madame Clerk, uh any idea about what
[3:16:06] those inconsistencies are about?
[3:16:08] >> Uh I believe on page uh 27 of the book.
[3:16:13] >> Mhm.
[3:16:14] >> Um the book indicates that it's the
[3:16:16] southside, not the north side, or the
[3:16:18] north side, not the south side. And then
[3:16:20] there's a a wording of 107 ft from High
[3:16:23] Street. That's confusing because if you
[3:16:26] depending on how you read it, it would
[3:16:28] appear that there's no parking from High
[3:16:32] Street to
[3:16:34] um that was that Alden. What street is
[3:16:37] that? The first one.
[3:16:40] >> Alden.
[3:16:41] >> So that it's confusing. So the the
[3:16:44] correction or the expected correction
[3:16:46] would have been to correct the direction
[3:16:50] and then 107 ft would be um struck from
[3:16:53] that side
[3:16:54] >> that would make the book consistent with
[3:16:57] what's on the ground and then I think
[3:16:58] there is some other signage Lieutenant
[3:17:01] Sullivan that may need to happen to to
[3:17:03] clarify that area as well.
[3:17:05] >> Correct. So the f the first block is um
[3:17:09] at least last time I drove down it was
[3:17:10] correctly signed. the second block which
[3:17:12] is Alden Terry has one random sign in
[3:17:15] the middle of the block. So that signage
[3:17:17] issue is easily fixable with one sign.
[3:17:20] [music]
[3:17:21] Um the the the regulation does say
[3:17:24] though Park Street 107 ft from High to
[3:17:27] Berry is 1 hour. That indicates 1 hour
[3:17:31] around the clock. Um except for Sundays
[3:17:34] and holidays. That's the language you
[3:17:35] were looking to add. Um 8:00 a.m. till
[3:17:38] 6:00 p.m. would apply to this table. So,
[3:17:41] all of these streets would be the 8:00
[3:17:43] a.m. till 6:00 p.m. for whatever these
[3:17:46] hours say. Um, so then we would need to
[3:17:48] whatever the board decides, we would
[3:17:51] then need to make sure that that one
[3:17:53] sign gets replaced, but also what's on
[3:17:55] the sign is accurate. Um, so if we get
[3:17:58] that done, education of the operator,
[3:18:01] enforcement against the operator, and
[3:18:03] then appeals would kind of be seamless,
[3:18:07] but as it's nothing matches right now.
[3:18:09] which doesn't match the sign which
[3:18:10] doesn't match anything else.
[3:18:12] >> Yeah.
[3:18:12] >> A technical question.
[3:18:14] >> A sign is posted for example. I know for
[3:18:16] a sign is posted in front of Ken's house
[3:18:18] says 1 hour parking. It has time on it
[3:18:22] except for Sundays in the other
[3:18:23] language.
[3:18:25] How long does that sign extend? Because
[3:18:28] the missing sign is in front of the
[3:18:30] fish's house which is less than 100 ft
[3:18:33] away. And then happens Alden.
[3:18:37] And then happens this block between
[3:18:39] Alden and Barry. So if is the one sign
[3:18:43] in front of Ken's house sufficient to
[3:18:46] cover the rest of the way to to Alden
[3:18:48] >> where you have a change halfway down the
[3:18:51] street. So after Berry Street, it turns
[3:18:53] into unrestricted.
[3:18:54] >> Right.
[3:18:54] >> So what we would like to see is
[3:18:57] essentially at the intersection of Berry
[3:18:59] Street is the sign that says
[3:19:01] >> parking these hours these days with an
[3:19:04] arrow facing back towards High Street.
[3:19:06] Okay.
[3:19:06] >> You don't need one. You don't need one
[3:19:08] in front of every house. You don't uh
[3:19:10] But it's Mr. Bradstreet always asks the
[3:19:13] question, where does no parking here
[3:19:16] mean? And I think most people you do see
[3:19:19] people parked right under that sign. So
[3:19:21] that's an easy answer. But if you're
[3:19:23] parked two houses down, did that sign
[3:19:25] actually mean going towards the middle
[3:19:27] school or did that sign mean going past
[3:19:30] back towards high?
[3:19:31] >> Okay.
[3:19:31] >> Only on block. You have some streets
[3:19:33] though that are no parking the entire
[3:19:34] length. So you don't need the arrows.
[3:19:36] It's just a couple of signs each block
[3:19:38] and you're fine. But where we change
[3:19:39] kind of mid street and then we alternate
[3:19:42] some sides mid street. We just need
[3:19:44] >> just for this specific section. Not
[3:19:45] dealing with all the other changes.
[3:19:48] Would the change be to change it from
[3:19:50] north to south? Change it from high
[3:19:52] street to Berry Street. Add the sign
[3:19:54] you're talking about in front of the
[3:19:55] Fisher's house and change the time to
[3:19:58] the time that we actually already
[3:20:00] approved the language that we approved
[3:20:02] earlier which is 8 to 6. I don't think
[3:20:04] we've approved that language. I think
[3:20:05] >> No, no, we did approve the general
[3:20:08] language in the section in the second
[3:20:10] bullet.
[3:20:11] >> We we did not.
[3:20:12] >> Oh, we
[3:20:13] >> that needed to be refined. Yes.
[3:20:18] If the issue of enforcement is lack of
[3:20:22] clarity, then I would recommend we put a
[3:20:24] sign back in front of the fish's house
[3:20:27] for whatever the current standards are,
[3:20:29] whatever they are now, pre-changing and
[3:20:32] ask for enforcement.
[3:20:34] >> I I just Mr. Chair threw you again. I
[3:20:37] think there's I think it's both. Um and
[3:20:40] correct me if I'm wrong. It's the book
[3:20:42] has one. in the book has, I believe, the
[3:20:43] wrong side of the street. North, south,
[3:20:45] something.
[3:20:46] >> One's east, west. That matters, but it's
[3:20:49] >> the street one's east, west. So, there's
[3:20:50] a north side and a south side, right? If
[3:20:52] it goes east and west, north is this
[3:20:54] way, south is that way.
[3:20:56] >> Um, west, east, north, south. Um,
[3:20:59] >> but that's why they say north side or
[3:21:01] south side, not end side. Um, so I think
[3:21:04] it's this. So, there's a correction that
[3:21:06] needs to be made in the book as well
[3:21:08] because it also says in the book
[3:21:09] currently 107 feet from High Street. So
[3:21:12] they're recommending it would say from
[3:21:14] High Street to Berry Street, not that
[3:21:17] 100 because of again no one's going out
[3:21:19] and saying, "Oh, 107 ft from here to
[3:21:22] there." And this is I should state like
[3:21:25] communities do this all the parking
[3:21:27] rules as you said before, they come up
[3:21:29] every time something comes up, somebody
[3:21:31] comes in with the best idea and we end
[3:21:33] up with this kind of stuff, right? And
[3:21:34] then it has to get cleaned up from time
[3:21:35] to time. So no dig on whoever wrote 107
[3:21:38] ft from High Street. that this stuff
[3:21:40] happens commonly um in municipal life.
[3:21:45] Um but that's why it's important to go
[3:21:46] back and look at it. I'm saying there
[3:21:48] would need to be it's not just the sign
[3:21:50] and I believe Lieutenant Sullivan is
[3:21:52] telling us the sign that is currently
[3:21:54] there is sufficient. It's that it
[3:21:56] doesn't reflect that the book does not
[3:21:58] match the sign.
[3:21:59] >> What does not the sign says 9:00 a.m.
[3:22:01] till 9:00 p.m. and it's midblock. It
[3:22:04] doesn't let you know if it's indicating
[3:22:06] this way or that way. So it sounds like
[3:22:08] a corrected sign and a corrected book
[3:22:10] would be needed for enforcement today.
[3:22:12] >> The 107 ft
[3:22:14] >> put a sign up.
[3:22:15] >> I'm sorry.
[3:22:16] >> The 107 ft is specifically to specific
[3:22:18] to the Masonic Temple basically that
[3:22:20] property and it ends roughly about the property line of Ken's house
[3:22:25] for which there is a sign. Then there is
[3:22:28] a sign that was present in front of the
[3:22:30] fish's house that is now missing.
[3:22:33] And that was a point of clarity about
[3:22:38] whether that was enforceable or not. So
[3:22:42] independent of us changing anything
[3:22:45] in the book, can we return it to the
[3:22:48] previous state which had a sign in front
[3:22:49] of the fishes and ask for enforcement?
[3:22:53] >> No, because the sign that was in front
[3:22:55] of the fishes is not consistent with the
[3:22:56] book. You have to change
[3:22:57] >> I can tell you they would much prefer to
[3:22:58] be on the other side of the street
[3:23:00] anyhow. Well, I'm saying if you want if
[3:23:02] you want that's that's up to you, right?
[3:23:04] That's the board's decision. You guys
[3:23:06] can do whatever you want. We can put we
[3:23:07] can put up a sign. This is what I
[3:23:09] started with the traffic commission.
[3:23:11] There are things that we can do
[3:23:12] operationally. So, we know if we're
[3:23:14] hearing it's not um enforced and the
[3:23:17] police are saying, "Oh, we can't enforce
[3:23:18] it because the sign isn't right." We,
[3:23:20] the town, can go and set up a sign. We,
[3:23:22] the town, cannot make a change in this
[3:23:24] book. So if you all want the so the sign
[3:23:27] that you're asking for if you want it to
[3:23:29] reflect what is currently in the book is
[3:23:33] different than the sign that was there
[3:23:34] before.
[3:23:35] >> Right. I feel like I'm talking in
[3:23:37] circles, but I think I'm getting
[3:23:38] through.
[3:23:38] >> Is it is it are we saying that?
[3:23:42] >> So, two things. Number one, given the
[3:23:45] fact that this was on our agenda as a
[3:23:49] topic of discussion today, changing this
[3:23:52] rule and regulations, we can change part
[3:23:55] of it. We don't have to change the whole
[3:23:56] thing.
[3:23:57] >> That is correct. I will say to be
[3:23:59] consistent with your earlier suggestions
[3:24:02] that people should know about it. If
[3:24:04] you're going again, if we're going to
[3:24:06] make changes,
[3:24:08] I mean, it's up to you guys. If if you
[3:24:10] want to be consistent with letting
[3:24:11] everybody in the neighborhood know um
[3:24:14] and doing a public workshop, that's one
[3:24:16] thing. If you want to answer a
[3:24:18] enforcement problem, that's another. I'm
[3:24:20] saying that we are not in a position
[3:24:21] that we can enforce this
[3:24:24] as the current book and sign are posted.
[3:24:28] >> Mr. Chairman,
[3:24:28] >> member member Bennett. Yes.
[3:24:30] >> If I if I may, if if the board is
[3:24:32] willing to the the bullet that uh
[3:24:35] [music] specified the hours
[3:24:37] um that didn't didn't have the language
[3:24:40] for, you know, shuffling parking spaces
[3:24:42] or when you can come back to the street.
[3:24:44] If the board would accept some version
[3:24:46] of that language that it is Monday
[3:24:48] through Saturday enforcement hours are 8
[3:24:50] to 6 um strike the rest of the language
[3:24:54] direct that we come back to you with
[3:24:56] better language for moving cars around
[3:24:58] and when you can come back to the street
[3:25:01] but allow that first section that would
[3:25:03] apply those hours to this entire
[3:25:05] schedule [music] unless otherwise noted
[3:25:08] in the schedule. that would then allow
[3:25:10] us to post High Street um from I'm
[3:25:14] sorry, Park Street from High to Berry as
[3:25:18] that time restriction. The book The book
[3:25:20] says 1 hour, Madam Clerk.
[3:25:21] >> Yes.
[3:25:22] >> One 1 hour um 1 hour from High to Berry,
[3:25:28] enforcable 8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. We
[3:25:31] can then have those signs modified and
[3:25:34] correctly installed and start enforcing
[3:25:36] that. But will we still have to change
[3:25:38] the 1067 ft and changing north to south?
[3:25:44] >> Yes.
[3:25:45] >> Because that doesn't solve the problem.
[3:25:46] So
[3:25:47] >> So we will still So even if we put the
[3:25:50] hours,
[3:25:52] what we saying is that we will still
[3:25:53] have to partially change
[3:25:56] the the footage on the
[3:26:01] >> if you change it. Sorry. If you change
[3:26:02] it to the hours from the previous
[3:26:03] bullet, if you allow that section to be
[3:26:05] applied to this table and then change
[3:26:08] this table to say the correct side of
[3:26:10] the street as signed now from High
[3:26:12] Street to Berry, that will allow us to
[3:26:14] make no parking from High to Berry. Uh
[3:26:19] 1-hour parking during those hours or as
[3:26:22] uh Mr. Tras had asked that I I don't
[3:26:25] remember where their curb cuts are for
[3:26:26] the Masonic Temple. Um, but if you
[3:26:29] wanted parking to remain
[3:26:32] available there for some reason, you
[3:26:34] could.
[3:26:35] >> I I think for simplicity, Mr. Chairman,
[3:26:37] you've already confirmed that we have
[3:26:38] the opportunity tonight to change a
[3:26:40] single issue, a single line, whatever we
[3:26:42] want to do because we're the authority.
[3:26:44] So, I'm not hearing I'm hearing the
[3:26:46] consensus that you don't want to do a no
[3:26:49] parking zone. But I'm going to make a
[3:26:50] suggestion that on page 27,
[3:26:54] 1 2 3 4 5 6 line 7,
[3:26:58] Park Street should go south.
[3:27:02] Change from north to south. Strike 107
[3:27:05] ft from High Street and just keep it
[3:27:07] High Street to Berry Street. one hour
[3:27:10] parking 8 to six on weekdays
[3:27:15] or whatever the language is about
[3:27:16] Saturdays, Sundays and
[3:27:17] >> Monday to Saturday
[3:27:19] >> whatever the standard language is there
[3:27:22] >> 8 to6 the language in the previous
[3:27:24] bullet was 8 to 6 Monday through
[3:27:26] Saturday um Sundays and legal
[3:27:28] >> excluding Sundays and holidays
[3:27:32] >> I would make that motion just to we need
[3:27:33] to alleviate some pain now while the
[3:27:36] process works its way out and that is
[3:27:40] everybody on that street. Every is right
[3:27:42] there, right here in front of you.
[3:27:47] » Is that a motion?
[3:27:48] >> I'm making the motion that we modified.
[3:27:50] >> I I mean I I think it was more
[3:27:52] discussions. I don't think he was
[3:27:54] >> No, I'm I'm making a motion. Yeah, I I
[3:27:56] did make a motion about completely
[3:27:58] eliminating parking and no one bit. So,
[3:28:00] I'm making a motion now that we modify
[3:28:02] on page 27
[3:28:05] the seventh line down that it now says
[3:28:08] Park Street, South
[3:28:11] High Street, Berry Street, 1 hour 8 to
[3:28:15] 6, Monday through Saturday excluding
[3:28:18] Sundays and holidays.
[3:28:20] >> Okay. And and just to clarify before
[3:28:23] it's seconded
[3:28:25] >> and the the second bullet will be
[3:28:28] different like across town the 8 to6
[3:28:31] >> we'll deal with all that later and if we
[3:28:33] at that point if we modify this fine
[3:28:35] >> then it applies to this as well.
[3:28:37] >> Yep.
[3:28:37] >> Okay.
[3:28:38] >> Yep. Second.
[3:28:40] >> Governor Dan second.
[3:28:42] >> Yes. Um
[3:28:45] any further discussions?
[3:28:47] >> Yeah.
[3:28:47] >> Yes please. Um so this
[3:28:51] change
[3:28:53] helps
[3:28:54] >> the singular change helps with
[3:28:56] clarifying
[3:28:58] the law the regulation
[3:29:01] which allows enforcement to happen
[3:29:04] >> and and it helps the neighbors how
[3:29:07] >> because right now enforcement
[3:29:10] needs to be more consistent but even if
[3:29:12] it were enforced today
[3:29:14] >> it legitimately would they could contest
[3:29:16] it and they would win
[3:29:18] >> because It's going in the wrong
[3:29:19] direction because it's
[3:29:20] >> and the book's not
[3:29:21] >> because right the the the the signs do
[3:29:24] not match the book. Now we're going to
[3:29:26] make the book match the signs.
[3:29:27] >> Okay.
[3:29:28] >> As they exist today
[3:29:29] >> at least it's something
[3:29:30] >> right. So it's it's making the that side
[3:29:32] and we obviously within that
[3:29:35] mechanically we'll replace the sign in
[3:29:37] front of the fisher's house.
[3:29:38] >> Okay. All right. Got it.
[3:29:40] >> Ju just for clarity member TR. So
[3:29:42] there's also a park street south to
[3:29:44] Beacon Street. That's not including
[3:29:46] >> I'm not touching that. I'm I'm looking
[3:29:48] only at this that's a different that's a
[3:29:50] different discussion anyhow. There's
[3:29:52] some other issues there.
[3:29:53] >> Okay.
[3:29:54] >> I'm only looking for that one change to
[3:29:55] help that one section for safety
[3:29:57] purposes.
[3:29:58] >> Letin uh if we were to make that change
[3:30:01] in the books
[3:30:04] and taking out the 107 ft from and doing
[3:30:09] the south
[3:30:11] 8 to 6 Monday to Saturday. Will that
[3:30:14] allow the parking officer to in to
[3:30:18] enforce?
[3:30:20] >> Yes, it would. So, if you change the
[3:30:22] book, um I will have my colleagues at
[3:30:24] the street department get the new signs
[3:30:25] and install them and then the parking
[3:30:28] clerk can start enforcing them.
[3:30:30] >> Okay. Uh before we proceed with voting
[3:30:32] on that, madame town manager, is that
[3:30:35] something that will make it consistent
[3:30:38] between
[3:30:39] >> I believe I support Lieutenant Sullivan.
[3:30:41] trust that he's giving the right
[3:30:42] guidance and um seeing nods from madam
[3:30:44] clerk. I do also need to clarify that
[3:30:46] the traffic enforcement there is one
[3:30:49] part-time person for the entire town.
[3:30:51] So, I'm not saying she will be there 24
[3:30:52] hours a day, but now we have the ability
[3:30:55] to enforce. So, we have what we need. Um
[3:30:58] I'm not sure it'll give the relief that
[3:31:00] quite that you're looking for yet, but I
[3:31:02] think we are on a path to get there. Um
[3:31:04] and she has the ability to actually
[3:31:06] write the ticket and it sustain be
[3:31:07] sustained. So that's the most important
[3:31:09] part because we have not had that
[3:31:11] ability up until now.
[3:31:13] >> Okay.
[3:31:13] >> Can I ask one more clarifying question?
[3:31:15] >> Yes.
[3:31:15] >> So is this going to help the residents
[3:31:17] right now by doing this tonight? What
[3:31:19] gardener's proposing
[3:31:21] >> from what Lieutenant Go is saying? Yes.
[3:31:24] >> Can
[3:31:24] >> now we have a motion and we have it
[3:31:26] seconded.
[3:31:27] >> I had a question like Joe saying we have
[3:31:29] one track traffic advisory girl. I
[3:31:32] understand you know Kathy
[3:31:34] >> I mean that's a different issue. No, no, But with the enforcement, like we
[3:31:38] want to enforce it. Seeing police
[3:31:40] presence is always good.
[3:31:43] >> No, this this is different from the
[3:31:44] police. The parking enforcement is
[3:31:46] different from the police,
[3:31:47] >> but the police can't do that, too. And
[3:31:50] help.
[3:31:50] >> I mean, police in the neighborhood if
[3:31:51] they get called, I mean, there they are
[3:31:53] in this town, police are allowed to
[3:31:55] write parking tickets.
[3:31:56] >> Yes. Okay.
[3:31:57] >> We we do we do do that. We generally
[3:31:59] write them for if you find if you do get
[3:32:01] a call where somebody's in front of
[3:32:02] someone's driveway. If we can pull up
[3:32:04] and they're in a handicap uh disabled
[3:32:06] accessible parking space, we can write
[3:32:08] that ticket. Um it does become more
[3:32:10] difficult if we're looking at one, two,
[3:32:11] or three hours for for an officer to
[3:32:13] come back and see if that car is still
[3:32:16] there 3 hours later. That area car might
[3:32:18] be off doing something else. We would
[3:32:20] rely on the the parking clerk staff to
[3:32:23] enforce the most of the time limits.
[3:32:26] >> Okay.
[3:32:27] uh to uh just a quick clarification
[3:32:30] member Bennett or member Task now that
[3:32:33] we've had a motion we're discussing as a board could we seek more
[3:32:37] clarification from residents?
[3:32:40] >> Well,
[3:32:41] >> technically no
[3:32:42] >> for tonight.
[3:32:43] >> Yeah. About this motion?
[3:32:45] >> No, I think
[3:32:46] >> are they allowed to speak? That's what I
[3:32:48] mean.
[3:32:48] >> Oh, that's up to you.
[3:32:49] >> That's up to you. And the question's
[3:32:51] been asked by another board member. Does
[3:32:53] this help the residents? And we get some
[3:32:54] >> res if I may. We've been a half hour
[3:32:57] going around and around or something
[3:32:58] very simple. Change the language and
[3:33:01] then they can enforce. I don't know what
[3:33:03] other we need to know.
[3:33:05] >> Okay. Thank you. Yes.
[3:33:07] >> Hi. Um, sorry. When there's a sign,
[3:33:09] which there is in front of my house,
[3:33:11] whether it says 8 to 6 or 96 is not the
[3:33:14] issue. Please don't wait to enforce it
[3:33:17] until those signs are changed. Nobody in
[3:33:20] their right mind knows what the book
[3:33:22] says unless they want to challenge.
[3:33:25] So, most people don't know, but they can
[3:33:27] read a sign, but apparently they don't.
[3:33:30] I have a picture on my phone of somebody
[3:33:32] parking across the street from me. Oh,
[3:33:34] across the street is no parking. They
[3:33:36] parked at the no parking sign.
[3:33:39] That's how bold people have become
[3:33:42] because there's no enforcement. And
[3:33:44] after a while, enforcement is is a
[3:33:46] deterrent. There's no deterrent, then
[3:33:48] you can park clearly. and a and a $25
[3:33:52] fine. Would you rather pay your landlord
[3:33:54] a couple hundred dollars or more for
[3:33:57] parking or risk getting a fine once a
[3:33:59] year for $25? It's a pretty logical
[3:34:02] choice for me as a resident. It's an
[3:34:04] awful choice. I hate it.
[3:34:07] >> Thank you.
[3:34:08] >> Okay. Thank you.
[3:34:09] >> Is it okay?
[3:34:10] >> Yes.
[3:34:10] >> Okay. So, to the question of whether
[3:34:12] this solves it, [music] it marginally
[3:34:14] makes it better, which is we've had
[3:34:16] nothing. I think the actual answer is to
[3:34:18] move it to the south side of the street,
[3:34:19] which is where it's in the regulations
[3:34:21] right now. That's actually where we want
[3:34:23] it. The parking isn't because Ken and us are parking in front of a house.
[3:34:28] It's because it's being used by the
[3:34:30] apartment building across the street.
[3:34:32] And the original recommendation we made
[3:34:33] was well then they'd be happy to walk 2
[3:34:36] feet versus across the street and park
[3:34:38] there, right? So then it's only one
[3:34:41] change. put it on the southbound side of
[3:34:42] the street as the book says today and
[3:34:44] then put the parking enforcement over
[3:34:46] there and would it answer the question
[3:34:48] then? Yes.
[3:34:50] >> Okay.
[3:34:50] >> My son wouldn't be walking between
[3:34:52] parked cars. The bus would come down
[3:34:54] towards the middle school in a safe
[3:34:55] manner.
[3:34:57] >> Can I just clarify though that now
[3:34:59] currently the book says, and correct me
[3:35:00] if I'm wrong, I'm not the one on there,
[3:35:02] Lieutenant. That currently it says north
[3:35:05] side is signed on the south side. the
[3:35:09] recommend the what I'm saying is it
[3:35:10] either has to be consistent on the south
[3:35:13] or you have to change it all to the
[3:35:15] north and again I don't have a I don't
[3:35:17] have a horse in those race it just has
[3:35:18] to be consistent or we can't be
[3:35:21] effective so but what I think I'm
[3:35:23] hearing Mary say is that they don't want
[3:35:25] the motion that gardener made member
[3:35:28] Tras made excuse me I apologize no
[3:35:30] >> um that member Tras made changing it
[3:35:32] from north to south they want to keep
[3:35:35] the south and change the signage
[3:35:38] which would require a second table to be
[3:35:40] modified
[3:35:41] >> which requires another modification. So
[3:35:43] >> this is one hour allowing this is
[3:35:45] allowing one hour parking on a specific
[3:35:48] side of the street. There is another
[3:35:49] table that dictates the other side of
[3:35:51] the street is no parking. So you would
[3:35:53] have to reverse two tables which is
[3:35:56] >> this is this is why we spend so much
[3:35:57] time on parking. [laughter]
[3:35:59] >> I I I actually have no preference. I'm
[3:36:00] trying to get to a at least some
[3:36:03] salvageable solution tonight.
[3:36:04] >> Yeah. If if the board prefers, I'll
[3:36:09] resend that motion, ask for it to be on
[3:36:11] the south side, and make that other
[3:36:12] table change. I've got no problem with
[3:36:15] that. That actually is one of the one of
[3:36:17] >> you have to vote down for con process
[3:36:19] wise. You'd have to vote down this
[3:36:20] motion and make another one. But I don't
[3:36:21] care how you do it. Just
[3:36:23] >> I
[3:36:26] » again, and I would just say for cons
[3:36:28] consistency sake, remember you are
[3:36:30] impacting. I understand everyone who's
[3:36:32] here is here and I respect that. I was
[3:36:34] under the impression that if we change
[3:36:37] it from south take out 107 ft it's not
[3:36:42] solving the whole problem but it's
[3:36:44] giving
[3:36:46] a little bit of relief until we can
[3:36:48] address the bigger issue of no parking
[3:36:51] on that street at all for example
[3:36:53] >> or whatever other solution.
[3:36:55] >> There were multiple solutions that were
[3:36:57] proposed by the neighbors at the
[3:36:59] community meeting that was followed then
[3:37:02] by DTAC. Exactly.
[3:37:03] >> One of the solutions was put it on the
[3:37:05] other side. Now I'm seeing in this that
[3:37:08] it's supposed to be on the other side
[3:37:10] and and if you want to not change that,
[3:37:14] they're happy. We'll just make sure that
[3:37:16] other table is accurately reflects it on
[3:37:18] their side. It's no parking. They're
[3:37:21] happy with that.
[3:37:24] >> Or no no parking from high to to Berry.
[3:37:30] So, I am more than willing to either
[3:37:32] resend the first motion I had.
[3:37:34] >> Well, with second it you have to
[3:37:36] >> Okay, we'll vote it down and go to the route where put the signs where
[3:37:42] they are accurately identified in the
[3:37:44] book on the other side of the street and
[3:37:47] we'll just find that other table and
[3:37:48] modify it so that it says no parking on
[3:37:53] the north side.
[3:37:56] >> Okay. So,
[3:37:56] >> Oh, the south side. [laughter] I'm I'm
[3:37:59] sorry.
[3:38:01] >> I would.
[3:38:03] >> So to throw a little other idea, why not
[3:38:07] no parking both sides from High Street
[3:38:09] to Berry Street?
[3:38:10] >> I that that's that was my original
[3:38:12] motion, though.
[3:38:13] >> I think that was the original motion. I
[3:38:14] think [clears throat]
[3:38:15] concern was
[3:38:16] >> Well, I said we're going round and
[3:38:17] round.
[3:38:18] >> Yeah.
[3:38:19] >> So I didn't make a compelling argument
[3:38:20] initially like that.
[3:38:23] >> But what does it say in the
[3:38:25] >> No, no, you can we can change that. We
[3:38:28] can make a motion to make it no park.
[3:38:31] >> Rob, Lieutenant Svin, can we ask him no
[3:38:34] parking both sides street to Berry
[3:38:36] Street?
[3:38:37] >> Okay.
[3:38:38] >> Does that work for you and your offices?
[3:38:41] >> Can that be done
[3:38:41] >> if that's the rule? So any, as the town
[3:38:44] manager said, whatever the board
[3:38:45] decides, that's what we will sign and
[3:38:47] that's what we enforce.
[3:38:49] >> You originally made the motion. Go
[3:38:50] ahead.
[3:38:51] >> Well, first you have to have to vote
[3:38:53] down my current motion.
[3:38:55] >> We have to vote down this motion. But be
[3:38:56] before we and again um and I know this
[3:39:01] is a huge concerns for people but
[3:39:06] I'm still concerned that everybody that
[3:39:09] needs to be notified for a no parking
[3:39:11] completely is not notified. I I think giving some instant relief by
[3:39:22] allowing the town to enforce
[3:39:26] is the best shortterm solution. I I
[3:39:30] think to to to go all the way to no
[3:39:33] parking on either side of the street uh
[3:39:36] I I again I'm not I'll do a site visit
[3:39:39] myself. I didn't have a chance to. I got
[3:39:41] the presentation from uh I think it was
[3:39:44] last night. I look at it. I want to
[3:39:47] familiarize myself. You're probably more
[3:39:49] involved in this than I am. You've been at the site. You've seen it.
[3:39:54] I want to do the same and feel confident
[3:39:56] that I'm not making a a rush decision.
[3:39:59] Uh so whatever we can do to give the
[3:40:02] residents some immediate relief will be
[3:40:05] welcome. But to completely I mean I
[3:40:08] think that's that's a big move. We're
[3:40:10] speaking of eliminating four spots. I
[3:40:12] >> I understand. I understand. I I don't
[3:40:14] live near there, so it doesn't really
[3:40:16] affect me, but
[3:40:17] >> but by your same logic, no matter what
[3:40:20] we do, you would want public input,
[3:40:23] broader public input, no matter what you
[3:40:25] do. No, we can do some things like
[3:40:28] clarifying the books so that it can be
[3:40:31] enforced today
[3:40:33] >> because we do have in an earlier
[3:40:34] provision an early article that does
[3:40:36] speak to emergency issues and and and we have the authority to say this is
[3:40:42] a safety issue. We have the authority to
[3:40:44] say this is a concern of the board. If
[3:40:46] the police came to us and said we want
[3:40:48] to shut down or make the street one way
[3:40:50] for a certain reason, we have that
[3:40:51] authority. the police actually have that
[3:40:52] authority too. But to make it binding
[3:40:55] and long-term,
[3:40:57] it's on us to make that vote. Um, I'm
[3:41:01] suggesting my motion will be to make it
[3:41:05] no parking from High to Berry Street
[3:41:08] until such time as the traffic advisory
[3:41:10] committee has a workshop and comes back
[3:41:12] with a recommendation if they recommend
[3:41:14] to put it on the other side of the
[3:41:15] street or whatever it is with all of the
[3:41:17] due process you're looking for.
[3:41:20] >> If I may, Mr. Mr. Chairman to clarify
[3:41:21] that it will not be the traffic advisory
[3:41:23] commission having a workshop. It'll be
[3:41:24] the select board.
[3:41:25] >> Oh, you're correct. Thank you. The
[3:41:26] select board with their guidance.
[3:41:28] >> Then, Mr. Chair, with what God is saying
[3:41:30] too, which is good, then to have the
[3:41:33] workshop, the people that really, you
[3:41:36] know, are invested and want to hear
[3:41:37] about it will come to the workshop
[3:41:40] >> and if they're affected by no parking,
[3:41:41] then they're really going to come,
[3:41:43] >> you know. So, you are making it fair. I
[3:41:45] understand.
[3:41:45] >> But that would be after the fact, right?
[3:41:47] That would be after we've made the
[3:41:48] decision. For example, I think when I
[3:41:50] look from the presentation,
[3:41:53] uh, was it the berries? They live on
[3:41:57] that street, right?
[3:41:59] >> Who?
[3:42:00] >> Is it Barry? I think I wrote down the
[3:42:02] name.
[3:42:02] >> Well, I think it's the people who park
[3:42:04] on the people who live on Berry.
[3:42:07] >> Okay. Okay. The people on Berry because
[3:42:10] this is eliminating
[3:42:14] highend berry. Okay.
[3:42:16] When I use the word Berry, I'm saying
[3:42:18] the beginning of Berry. I'm saying from
[3:42:20] High Street up to Berry, not including
[3:42:23] Bry.
[3:42:24] >> Okay, I see.
[3:42:25] >> Up to the cross street of Berry on
[3:42:29] Park Street. From High Street to the
[3:42:31] head of Berry.
[3:42:32] >> Can I Can I recommend that you vote on
[3:42:34] the motion that's on the table because I
[3:42:35] think that far a foot from where we
[3:42:38] started. [laughter]
[3:42:38] >> The motion to clarify the books that you
[3:42:41] have done, Madam
[3:42:42] >> Cler.
[3:42:43] Godner made the motion um to correct
[3:42:46] line 7 on page 27
[3:42:49] to um 8 to 6 Monday through Saturday uh
[3:42:55] excluding Sundays and holidays and that
[3:42:58] would also um correct the north south
[3:43:01] item.
[3:43:02] >> So if I can if you don't mind Mr.
[3:43:04] Chairman the motion that he made was
[3:43:06] what is presented currently in the blue
[3:43:09] line version which is line seven that
[3:43:11] says Park Street. This is the motion
[3:43:12] that's on the table. I'm not changing
[3:43:14] anything. Um, deleting north, putting in
[3:43:16] south, deleting 107 feet from High
[3:43:19] Street,
[3:43:20] >> and adding 8 to 6 Monday through
[3:43:22] Saturday except Sundays and holidays.
[3:43:24] That's the motion that's on the table
[3:43:26] and seconded. So, I recommend taking
[3:43:28] action on that.
[3:43:29] >> So, for that motion, all those in favor
[3:43:32] say I.
[3:43:34] >> Oppose.
[3:43:35] >> No.
[3:43:37] >> Okay. So, now Mr.
[3:43:40] >> Right. So, it shot down. It's dead.
[3:43:43] [clears throat] So, at this time, I
[3:43:44] would like to make a motion that we
[3:43:46] designate no parking on Park Street
[3:43:51] from High Street
[3:43:54] to the cross intersection of Berry
[3:43:56] Street.
[3:43:59] >> Second
[3:43:59] >> on both sides. I should have said both
[3:44:01] sides.
[3:44:06] » So, I have a motion and I have a second.
[3:44:08] Okay. any further discussions
[3:44:13] now.
[3:44:15] Uh sorry for coming to you again. So is
[3:44:18] it my understanding that this will be
[3:44:20] four spots?
[3:44:23] >> Oh, I don't
[3:44:24] >> four or five.
[3:44:26] >> They aren't lined spots.
[3:44:28] >> So there's not they're not lined.
[3:44:31] >> But the the my observance has been there
[3:44:34] had been four or five in [clears throat]
[3:44:36] that area. Um, but they're not lined. I
[3:44:39] can't say the number of spots, but we
[3:44:43] the the other thing they'll be able to
[3:44:44] do is now feel Well, they they won't
[3:44:47] have parking, so never mind. Um, I can't
[3:44:49] I I use that based on observation, but
[3:44:52] if you had four Mini Coopers or five
[3:44:54] Mini Coopers, you could do that.
[3:44:59] It's It's eliminating all the spots,
[3:45:01] which is a small number.
[3:45:04] We're not talking about a large number.
[3:45:06] Yeah, but what does small number means?
[3:45:08] Are we talk about four or five or five?
[3:45:12] >> So, but today I observed four vehicles
[3:45:15] >> there actually. Yes, we all receive
[3:45:17] pictures in in the attachment.
[3:45:19] >> I don't need pictures.
[3:45:20] >> Really getting
[3:45:21] >> I'm not familiar with the
[3:45:22] >> We have a simple motion, Mr. Chairman.
[3:45:24] >> Yeah, I was say Mr. Chairman
[3:45:27] could wrap it up.
[3:45:30] >> Okay. Thank you. So, any further
[3:45:33] discussions? Hear none. You have the
[3:45:38] motion correctly, Madame Clair.
[3:45:40] >> No parking. Hide to bury both sides.
[3:45:43] >> On Park Street.
[3:45:48] >> It's getting late. We still have a lot
[3:45:50] more work to do.
[3:45:50] >> Okay. All those in favor of the motion
[3:45:53] say I.
[3:45:54] >> I. Oppose.
[3:45:56] >> Okay. That's 5.
[3:45:58] >> The Rob, is that the only change that
[3:46:00] would need to happen? Is there another
[3:46:02] table that cross references that
[3:46:04] somewhere?
[3:46:05] >> Uh, if it's acceptable, we'll whatever
[3:46:07] the motion was and pass, we will just
[3:46:09] make the book reflect that.
[3:46:10] >> Okay.
[3:46:12] >> And
[3:46:13] >> I think I'm sorry. I just want to make
[3:46:15] sure I understand what you're saying.
[3:46:16] So, I think that if the board intends to
[3:46:19] have any corrections that need to be
[3:46:21] made
[3:46:23] in the spirit of this, you should make
[3:46:24] another motion that says something about
[3:46:26] an all
[3:46:28] incillary corrections. Is that the right
[3:46:30] word?
[3:46:31] >> What that needs to be adjusted
[3:46:33] >> to um meet the case. Yeah.
[3:46:37] >> Pass vote.
[3:46:38] >> Okay.
[3:46:39] >> We don't want to end up back in that
[3:46:40] situation.
[3:46:41] >> Second motion.
[3:46:42] >> Second. Okay. Any other discussions?
[3:46:46] >> All those in favor say I.
[3:46:48] >> I.
[3:46:58] » Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Le.
[3:47:01] >> Oh, he's not done.
[3:47:02] >> Oh, he's not
[3:47:03] >> not even close. [laughter]
[3:47:06] I told you guys we had a lot of work to
[3:47:07] do tonight.
[3:47:10] >> I'm getting
[3:47:11] >> now the fun stuff. Actually, this is
[3:47:12] actually the hard stuff.
[3:47:13] >> We [laughter] all went way over.
[3:47:16] >> Okay, we went over, but I think it was
[3:47:19] important to
[3:47:20] >> No, no, no. We We were making a joke. We
[3:47:22] estimated what time we would get out of
[3:47:23] here. We all underestimated. [laughter]
[3:47:28] ready when you are, Mr. Chairman.
[3:47:31] >> Okay.
[3:47:37] » So, keep going.
[3:47:38] >> Yeah.
[3:47:38] >> We're going to discuss Dayton Street
[3:47:40] Speed.
[3:47:42] >> You're welcome.
[3:47:45] >> So, Madame Clerk, the next item on the
[3:47:47] agenda, please.
[3:47:48] >> I think it's the same item.
[3:47:50] >> Oh, it's the same item. Okay.
[3:47:51] >> Same. Second part.
[3:47:52] >> Oh, Linton and Rob. It's you again. I'm getting the feeling I will never be
[3:47:57] invited back to a select board.
[3:47:59] [laughter]
[3:48:00] >> Now you see why the creative detail.
[3:48:02] >> Yeah, I guess [laughter]
[3:48:04] >> bank robbery was not this difficult as
[3:48:07] parking is.
[3:48:09] >> Uh so uh Mr. Chair, um probably about
[3:48:12] two years ago.
[3:48:13] >> Sorry, Mr. Chair. Can we have quiet and
[3:48:15] >> I'm sorry. Uh order, please. Thank you.
[3:48:21] Uh about two years ago, maybe now, we
[3:48:23] started uh traffic uh committee. We
[3:48:26] started um a review of Dayton Street. Uh
[3:48:29] residents had reached out with
[3:48:30] complaints about high speed. Um we
[3:48:33] conducted speed studies and through our
[3:48:35] um radar data, we were able to determine
[3:48:37] that we have uh high traffic volumes at
[3:48:40] essentially all hours. Um we have high
[3:48:42] speeds um on the street opposed to most
[3:48:46] streets that we do a study we find less
[3:48:47] than 1% of cars are traveling at a speed
[3:48:49] that they would be stopped. Um these are
[3:48:52] very um high percentages of cars that
[3:48:54] would be stopped. Uh the residents um
[3:48:57] also there's no other street in town
[3:48:59] when we did the study that has the same
[3:49:01] number of vehicles that depart the
[3:49:03] roadway um striking people's bushes,
[3:49:05] their cars in their driveways, sometimes
[3:49:08] their houses and front porches. um those
[3:49:10] tend to be operators who are uh under
[3:49:12] the influence or some other sort of
[3:49:13] motor vehicle criminal violation. Uh so
[3:49:16] the residents on Dayton Street and I
[3:49:18] should also mention uh Dayton um for the
[3:49:21] majority of the street they do not have
[3:49:23] sidewalks. Uh and Dayton Street um for
[3:49:26] some odd reason only has mailboxes on
[3:49:28] one side of the street. So if you want
[3:49:30] to go out and walk with your family,
[3:49:31] with your pets, or even get your mail,
[3:49:32] you've got to walk in the street. Uh so
[3:49:34] they were asking us to provide some
[3:49:36] relief. uh Dayton Street. The speed
[3:49:39] limit is set by a special speed
[3:49:41] regulation that was uh enacted by the
[3:49:44] board in 1973,
[3:49:46] I believe.
[3:49:49] Let me get to the right map. [sighs]
[3:49:58] So, this map shows Dayton Street. This
[3:50:00] here, this area here is Armory uh Armory
[3:50:03] Road and up here is the Middleton line.
[3:50:05] Uh this red line is currently the
[3:50:07] section of the roadway that has a 30 mph
[3:50:10] speed limit. Um just after West Street,
[3:50:13] that speed limit is in both directions,
[3:50:15] inbound and outbound increased to 40. Um
[3:50:18] we do not have the ability to set
[3:50:20] whatever speed limits we would like on
[3:50:22] our on our roads. Um it's usually done
[3:50:24] with the traffic study and we were
[3:50:26] afraid that um if we went through the
[3:50:28] process it may end up instead of
[3:50:29] reducing the speeds uh raise the speeds.
[3:50:32] Um so the residents um kept the project
[3:50:35] moving forward. We were able to get some
[3:50:37] help from Representative Karn's office
[3:50:38] to get in front of Masdot
[3:50:40] representatives and we provided the
[3:50:42] traffic data and what they have allowed
[3:50:44] us to do is this 30 mph zone. They will
[3:50:48] allow us to increase that to the uh I
[3:50:52] believe it's number 190. Yes, number 190
[3:50:56] uh
[3:50:57] 190 Dayton. just before the uh the corn
[3:51:00] fields and the uh Hogan Regional Center
[3:51:02] property begins. Um we thought we they
[3:51:06] weren't going to allow us to change this
[3:51:08] segment of Dayton Street um because it
[3:51:10] is open fields. Open fields if you use
[3:51:12] the state statutory speed is 40. Um Mass
[3:51:15] DOT wanted to match this portion of the
[3:51:18] road along with I believe it's Gregory
[3:51:20] Road in Middleton uh which is set at 35.
[3:51:22] So, Mass DOT asked that we reduce the
[3:51:25] speed to 35 um which is another win uh
[3:51:28] another win for the residents and also
[3:51:30] I've met a couple of times with the
[3:51:31] facility director of Hogan Regional um
[3:51:34] who has expressed concern um their staff
[3:51:36] drive uh vans with residents and clients
[3:51:38] and trying to get out uh from these uh
[3:51:41] driveways here into traffic that's
[3:51:43] coming over a hill um at 40 is is
[3:51:46] dangerous. So, we'll we'll be able to
[3:51:48] lower the speeds um to 35 in that
[3:51:52] location. We currently have all of the
[3:51:54] materials we would need. Um
[3:51:57] uh when we started working on this
[3:51:59] project, um we acquired a few radar
[3:52:01] feedback signs as well as illuminated
[3:52:04] speed limit signs, advanced warning
[3:52:05] illuminated uh signs, which are deployed
[3:52:08] uh just before the 30 mph zone. we will
[3:52:11] just relocate them to the new uh new um
[3:52:16] 30 mph zone. Um that was the win. It
[3:52:19] came with it came with a catch. Uh
[3:52:21] [laughter] as always is something with
[3:52:23] mass DOT. This 1973 regulation dealt
[3:52:27] with and this is why it's taken so long.
[3:52:30] It covered uh 19 additional streets. So
[3:52:33] they wouldn't give us a change just on
[3:52:35] Dayton Street because this regulation
[3:52:37] covers 20 streets. modern-day special
[3:52:39] speed regulations have to have one
[3:52:42] regulation per street. So, we
[3:52:44] essentially had to review uh 19
[3:52:46] additional streets and determine what if
[3:52:49] any changes needed to be made uh what do
[3:52:51] we need for material signs and what are
[3:52:53] the current signs posted on the streets.
[3:52:56] So, that um got me to the chart. So, we
[3:53:00] are uh we are recommending that the um
[3:53:02] the board would allow the change on
[3:53:04] Dayton Street, which would extend the 30
[3:53:06] mph speed limit to number 190 and then
[3:53:09] set the the um the rest of the traffic
[3:53:11] on that road up to Gregory at 35 mph.
[3:53:16] Um as we go through each of the
[3:53:19] additional streets, most of them um were
[3:53:21] just some issues with signage that we
[3:53:23] need to change, but we did find a couple
[3:53:24] of the streets were problematic. um on
[3:53:28] Endicott Street. Um we found that
[3:53:33] >> I'm sorry to interrupt you, Lieutenant,
[3:53:34] but can you put the chart up for them so
[3:53:36] that people know what they're looking
[3:53:37] at?
[3:53:38] >> Thank you.
[3:53:43] If you have it, it was in your packets.
[3:53:45] >> I do. Let's see.
[3:53:47] >> Yeah.
[3:53:48] >> This one?
[3:53:50] >> Yep.
[3:53:51] >> Do you need it there? You can have mine.
[3:53:53] >> Yeah. I lost color.
[3:53:54] >> That's okay. You can have mine.
[3:53:55] >> I had it. The dog ate it.
[3:53:57] >> [laughter]
[3:54:00] » Thank you. I think we're good.
[3:54:04] » I think they have it now.
[3:54:05] >> Have it. Okay.
[3:54:07] >> Sorry to interrupt you.
[3:54:15] Uh so as we were looking at uh Endicott
[3:54:19] Street um we discovered that the um the
[3:54:23] speed limit uh as set by the special
[3:54:25] speed regulation is uh 35 mph for the
[3:54:29] majority of Endicott Street. Uh we found
[3:54:31] that most of the street is posted at 30.
[3:54:34] Um, we would be required to, uh, remove
[3:54:37] those 30 mph speed limit signs and
[3:54:39] replace them with 35 mph signs. Um, do
[3:54:44] you want me to go through each of these
[3:54:45] just as a group or should I stop it
[3:54:47] after every one?
[3:54:50] >> If I think we could we could vote it as
[3:54:53] a slate if the board is open to that
[3:54:56] >> unless there's a specific one that we
[3:54:59] want to remove. So, I'll recommend that
[3:55:02] we we hear them, we vote it as a slate.
[3:55:04] If there's one that someone is not
[3:55:08] comfortable or have questions, we can
[3:55:10] carve that out and and come back to it
[3:55:12] separately. So, I I'll go on.
[3:55:14] >> Okay. So, this would just require us to
[3:55:16] remove the 30 mph signs and replace them
[3:55:19] with the 35 that currently is reflected
[3:55:22] in the special speed regulation. So,
[3:55:24] what they're going to take the speed
[3:55:26] regulation that has all of the existing
[3:55:28] 19 streets, break them down into each
[3:55:30] individual road, and just ask that we
[3:55:33] sign it correctly. We're not given the
[3:55:35] option to say what speed do we want
[3:55:37] Endicott Street to be. Um, it's just we
[3:55:41] have to match our sign with what the
[3:55:43] regulation says. It will have a new
[3:55:44] stand. Endicott will be its own
[3:55:45] regulation. Uh, with no changes. We just
[3:55:47] have to sign it correctly. Uh for
[3:55:50] purchase street, purchase street we
[3:55:51] found that there are no um there are no
[3:55:55] changes needed to be made. It's
[3:55:56] correctly signed and the regulation is
[3:55:58] correct as to what's in the field. Uh so
[3:56:00] there will be no changes on purchase
[3:56:01] street for Ash Street. The only
[3:56:05] [clears throat] changes that have to be
[3:56:07] made are the installation. So this P so
[3:56:09] this is Ash Street. So, uh, by the
[3:56:12] intersection, uh, by Town Hall. And then
[3:56:14] if we come down to, uh, Purchase Street,
[3:56:18] this section of Ash in the yellow is 20
[3:56:21] m an hour. Um, we need to install, um, a
[3:56:24] couple of signs. And this section of ash
[3:56:27] is 25. There's a sign missing up here.
[3:56:30] We'll just install that sign. Um, on the
[3:56:32] map itself, it shows that this 20 mph
[3:56:35] zone ends at the entrance to the mall.
[3:56:39] it actually ends up here. So, we would
[3:56:41] just make sure the signs are correct and
[3:56:43] then update this map to show that's
[3:56:44] where the 20 mph zone uh ends. Uh could
[3:56:48] I just on ash because I've I've had an
[3:56:50] issue with ash in the past where it's
[3:56:51] got four or five sign changes in that
[3:56:55] relatively short stretch of road. Is
[3:56:58] this going to make the entire road
[3:56:59] consistent the same speed or are you
[3:57:01] still going to have several changes?
[3:57:03] >> You would have two different speeds in
[3:57:05] ash. Uh so the upper so the northern
[3:57:07] portion of ash would be 25 miles an hour
[3:57:09] and then the lower portion of ash would
[3:57:11] be
[3:57:11] >> okay. So one change aso right now
[3:57:14] there's two or three
[3:57:15] >> correct
[3:57:16] >> okay thank you
[3:57:19] [clears throat]
[3:57:20] >> uh for Adam Street we just have to um
[3:57:24] install signs. So the regulation is
[3:57:27] correct. Uh this is Adam Street going
[3:57:31] from Pine to Ash. Uh the
[3:57:36] um the regulation's correct, the map is
[3:57:38] correct. We just need to install a
[3:57:39] couple of signs there.
[3:57:42] Uh for Lawrence Street,
[3:57:48] uh same issue. Uh on Lauren Street, the
[3:57:50] signs in the field are correct. We just
[3:57:51] need to update the GIS uh mapping to
[3:57:54] show where this um the speed limit zone
[3:57:56] actually starts and ends.
[3:57:59] Uh, Center Street. It's not really, it's
[3:58:02] not really tricky, but it is one of the
[3:58:04] weird requests from Mass DOT.
[3:58:11] So, Center Street running from So, this
[3:58:13] is the uh National Guard Armory. Uh,
[3:58:16] Center Street going down to the
[3:58:17] intersection of Green Center, if you're
[3:58:20] not familiar with the area, takes a hard
[3:58:21] left and goes up to 114. Um, Mass DOT is
[3:58:25] recommending that. So this current speed
[3:58:28] limit here is 30 miles an hour and then
[3:58:30] it changes for about one house and then
[3:58:33] makes a hard left over to 114 at 20. Uh
[3:58:36] Mass doesn't want a onehouse change in
[3:58:39] speed regulations. Uh because then as
[3:58:41] you continue on green you have a
[3:58:43] different speed. Uh so Mass DOT is
[3:58:46] recommending that this section of center
[3:58:48] from 114 to the intersection of uh
[3:58:52] center in green remain at 20 but it's
[3:58:55] from end to end. and that this section
[3:58:57] of center be extended at 30 up to the
[3:58:59] intersection. So, we would just move
[3:59:01] some signs around, update this map. Um,
[3:59:04] in doing this, it's not covered by these
[3:59:06] changes, but I should mention because
[3:59:07] you'll probably get complaints as soon
[3:59:09] as we leave here that uh just after
[3:59:12] Patricia, so 20 is supposed to be in
[3:59:15] this stretch of roadway, the speed limit
[3:59:17] sign for 20 is up here, just after
[3:59:19] Patricia, giving people uh in the
[3:59:21] neighborhood the impression that uh
[3:59:23] Green Street. And then there's also one
[3:59:25] down by west giving them the impression
[3:59:28] that Green Street is 20 miles an hour.
[3:59:30] There is no special speed regulation
[3:59:32] supporting that. Um so those signs must
[3:59:34] be removed. Um because it's not governed
[3:59:36] by a special speed regulation. It
[3:59:38] defaults to the state statutory speed.
[3:59:40] So the speed limit on Green Street would
[3:59:42] be 30. Um so we will just make the signs
[3:59:44] reflect the uh appropriate um speed
[3:59:46] limit. Um but we would be required to
[3:59:48] remove those 20 mph signs because
[3:59:50] they're not supported by the the
[3:59:51] regulation.
[3:59:54] It's crazy.
[3:59:55] >> On Forest Street.
[4:00:00] So, Prince
[4:00:02] uh see
[4:00:04] >> Quick question. So, Green Street is not
[4:00:07] here.
[4:00:08] >> It is not.
[4:00:09] >> It's not covered by this, but in
[4:00:11] reviewing this, we discovered there were
[4:00:12] 20 mph speed limit signs that were
[4:00:15] incorrectly placed. They're supposed to
[4:00:17] go down Center Street, but they go down
[4:00:19] street.
[4:00:20] And as a reminder, we can move signs. We
[4:00:24] can't change the books. So, we have to
[4:00:27] go move the sign because we can't.
[4:00:29] >> So, why was he put there in the first
[4:00:30] place?
[4:00:31] >> I don't. [laughter]
[4:00:32] >> Very good question.
[4:00:35] >> And can I ask a question to you, Mr.
[4:00:37] Chair? Um,
[4:00:39] mass dot determines the speed limit
[4:00:42] you're saying on these streets, right?
[4:00:44] >> So, you have a couple different speed
[4:00:45] limits. So statutory speed limit are all
[4:00:47] the So all of the streets that you see
[4:00:50] in color here
[4:00:51] >> throughout the town.
[4:00:52] >> These streets are streets that have a
[4:00:54] special speed regulation. In 1973 you
[4:00:57] had more freedom to set speed limits. So
[4:00:59] in 1973 the board mass DOT and the
[4:01:02] registar signed off in that document
[4:01:04] saying we're going to set the speed on
[4:01:06] this road at this. Um they no longer
[4:01:09] allow us to do that. You have to do a
[4:01:11] speed study. Um, and they will look at
[4:01:13] essentially most communities are finding
[4:01:16] they they don't even ask them to do this
[4:01:19] because they'll set whatever the 85th
[4:01:20] percentile is. So whatever 85% of the
[4:01:22] traffic is traveling at um if the speed
[4:01:25] limit is 30 but 85% of the traffic is
[4:01:28] traveling at 40, Mass DOT will change
[4:01:31] the speed limit on that street to 40
[4:01:32] miles an hour.
[4:01:33] >> So my question to you Lieutenant is that
[4:01:36] this wasn't changed. This has been since
[4:01:38] 1973.
[4:01:40] >> Correct. We are now in 2026. Have they
[4:01:43] do they take a look at I mean, you know,
[4:01:46] developments, more houses in the area,
[4:01:49] more traffic. I mean, sometimes, I mean,
[4:01:51] I've got, you know, little kids. You saw
[4:01:53] my little Evie here. you know, I mean,
[4:01:55] 30 35, you know, in heavy, you know,
[4:01:59] populated areas is pretty fast for, you
[4:02:01] know,
[4:02:02] >> they've recently, it's I haven't seen
[4:02:04] the paperwork, but I was at a meeting
[4:02:05] with Mass DOT that they are, they allege
[4:02:08] they will be now considering a lower
[4:02:11] percentile. Um, but again, you'd have to
[4:02:13] do a speed study. and they're basing it
[4:02:16] on traffic engineers saying that most
[4:02:18] people travel on travel on a roadway at
[4:02:22] a a speed that they feel is safe and
[4:02:24] proper for that street. So, they look at
[4:02:26] what's the majority of the traffic
[4:02:28] doing, not the slowest car, but not the
[4:02:29] fastest car, and they would use that to
[4:02:32] set it. Um, that is outside of if you
[4:02:34] have a school zone, a school zone can be
[4:02:36] set differently at 25 miles an hour. Um,
[4:02:40] that would be a special speed
[4:02:42] regulation. We also have state
[4:02:44] statutory. So any of the roads in
[4:02:46] Danverse here that are not in color,
[4:02:47] that's the state statutory speed limit.
[4:02:50] So for most of Danverse, that'll be 30 m
[4:02:52] an hour would set all these roads. Um
[4:02:55] there are some that that has to do with
[4:02:58] how close the houses are together and
[4:03:00] for what distance. Um once you get into
[4:03:03] some of the open fields like the
[4:03:04] cornfields, that goes up to 40 and then
[4:03:07] some highways would default to default
[4:03:09] to 50. Um, there's another option beyond
[4:03:12] that that the town had looked at like
[4:03:14] the back bay area. There's a different
[4:03:16] version of thickly settled district
[4:03:18] which that sets any of the any of the
[4:03:20] streets. You can do it street by street
[4:03:22] or communitywide. Um, and that would set
[4:03:25] any of these streets that are not
[4:03:27] colored uh in different color schemes
[4:03:29] here. Um, would turn those into 25 mph
[4:03:32] speed zones. So, those are essentially
[4:03:34] the only three options. They do not let
[4:03:35] us go. We want this speed to be on this
[4:03:38] street for this for this reason. They
[4:03:40] would either a speed study state
[4:03:43] statutory or one of the two versions of
[4:03:45] thickly is all they give Excuse me for
[4:03:48] my I'm tired you know but um speed study
[4:03:51] like who does that or when does that get
[4:03:54] done or
[4:03:56] >> so it requires
[4:03:57] >> questions board members but just
[4:03:59] >> they
[4:04:01] from their own regular they they
[4:04:03] accepted the information that I gave
[4:04:04] them from um my so I have volume and um
[4:04:08] speed data for Dayton Street um if you followed their guidelines that
[4:04:14] did not meet their standard for a speed
[4:04:16] study you You have to have engineers
[4:04:17] that go out and like you have to live
[4:04:18] monitor traffic and count cars in
[4:04:21] addition to everything. There are a
[4:04:22] couple different things you have to do.
[4:04:23] They accepted our data for for Dayton
[4:04:26] Street. Um but that can be DTAC could
[4:04:30] put that together. We would work with
[4:04:31] the police engineers and mass DOT to get
[4:04:33] a speed study, but again they're
[4:04:35] hesitant to do it because most
[4:04:37] communities do find that if you're if
[4:04:40] the speed study comes back with the
[4:04:41] higher speed, they will increase the
[4:04:43] speed limit on that street.
[4:04:45] >> Oh, okay. So that's why you don't you
[4:04:48] will not find most communities going in
[4:04:49] that in that direction.
[4:04:51] >> Thank you. Thank you for the
[4:04:52] explanation.
[4:04:54] >> Thank you, Mr. Ch.
[4:04:55] >> Thank you. I think that's a crazy way to
[4:04:57] think.
[4:04:57] >> Crazy. Yeah.
[4:04:58] >> Yeah. Just go by whatever people are
[4:05:01] doing violating what's there and then
[4:05:04] just giving them more.
[4:05:06] Yeah. Anyway, sorry you you may proceed.
[4:05:10] >> And we are required. So there's there
[4:05:11] are lot we are required to follow mass
[4:05:14] DOT's engineering guidelines in setting
[4:05:17] speed limits. Um so we not only have to
[4:05:19] follow their engineering guidelines but
[4:05:21] also the signs we post the manual for
[4:05:22] uniform traffic control devices. They
[4:05:24] require what signs we can post where. Um
[4:05:27] thickly settled district the back bay
[4:05:29] area has always been yellow on black
[4:05:31] signs. They've just changed that. We got
[4:05:33] a grant to replace all of our signs to
[4:05:35] the typical black and white signs that
[4:05:36] most people recognize. Um, but it took
[4:05:38] years to get them to allow us to change
[4:05:41] the color of a speed limit sign.
[4:05:43] >> It's almost like, sorry, Mr. Chair, but
[4:05:45] it's almost like I can see Mass DOT like
[4:05:48] highways 114 95 major highways. It
[4:05:51] should be up to the chief of police and
[4:05:53] yourself to set the speed limits because
[4:05:56] you guys work
[4:05:57] >> exactly
[4:05:58] >> the town, right? You know, I mean, I'm
[4:06:00] going to say truthfully, even like 30,
[4:06:01] 35, some of them should be Jamie, like
[4:06:04] in our neighborhood, right? 20 25
[4:06:06] sometimes they should I mean wide
[4:06:08] streets people go fast you know but
[4:06:10] thank you sorry
[4:06:13] >> h so I think I left off so forest
[4:06:16] >> you were on forest
[4:06:18] >> forest street um we recommend that the
[4:06:21] um the speed uh special speed regulation
[4:06:23] is accepted um and we will install and
[4:06:26] update some signs in the GIS map so this
[4:06:28] essentially forest street has two
[4:06:29] different speed limits um the side by
[4:06:32] Hobart street is 30 the sign the side
[4:06:35] coming from uh Route 62 is 25. The map
[4:06:39] is a little bit off. It shows it just at
[4:06:41] St. Richard's. This house, everyone
[4:06:43] knows that it's the house with the
[4:06:44] chicken coop.
[4:06:44] >> Oh, yeah.
[4:06:45] >> The red house of the chicken coop. It
[4:06:47] actually ends just past it. So, we'll
[4:06:49] make sure the signs are appropriately
[4:06:51] placed and that this map is updated to
[4:06:52] show that's where the speed limits
[4:06:54] change.
[4:06:56] Uh Sherwood was one of the tricky ones.
[4:07:00] Um we were surprised to discover this.
[4:07:02] Uh, Sherwood in the field is posted end
[4:07:07] to end as 30 miles an hour. Um, the
[4:07:10] special speed regulation on Sherwood
[4:07:12] Street is 35 miles an hour. Um, so if we
[4:07:15] allow the speed if we if we keep the
[4:07:17] special speed regulation, we would be
[4:07:19] required to remove the 30s and put the
[4:07:21] 35s up. Um, I think the select board
[4:07:25] would be getting complaints from about a
[4:07:27] hundred or so residents here if they saw
[4:07:28] that happen. Um, so one of the
[4:07:31] workarounds is to resend this special
[4:07:33] speed regulation. That would default to
[4:07:35] the state statutory speed, which is 30.
[4:07:37] So essentially nothing would change on
[4:07:39] Sherwood. Um, I would just be required
[4:07:42] to the 30 mph signs. You have to get a
[4:07:44] little plaque that goes under them that
[4:07:47] notes which law we're referring to to
[4:07:50] make it which 30 we're referring to.
[4:07:53] Again, bank robbery was easier than
[4:07:56] speeding and parking. [laughter]
[4:07:58] Um
[4:07:58] >> I think the others are the same.
[4:08:00] >> Yeah. And also for us for it is
[4:08:01] problematic when we see you know we
[4:08:03] can't have officers
[4:08:05] if the the lawfully established speed
[4:08:07] limit is 35 and we're stopping but we
[4:08:10] think it's 30 or there's one street
[4:08:12] you'll see that it's it's posted at 30.
[4:08:14] It's really 40. That's if we stop those
[4:08:17] cars. It was an unlawful stop to begin
[4:08:19] with. Um if we arrest somebody and find
[4:08:22] evidence of crimes in their car that
[4:08:24] will be suppressed. um if we some
[4:08:27] traffic stops turn into um violent
[4:08:30] encounters with the police. If we get in
[4:08:31] a fight and that operator is hurt or one
[4:08:33] of our officers were hurt, it might
[4:08:35] later be found that the stop to begin
[4:08:38] with was unlawful. And I think those are
[4:08:40] the chief and I have had concerns over
[4:08:43] making sure these signs get updated to
[4:08:45] what they need to be if if we have to
[4:08:48] and then find some ways to lower the
[4:08:49] speeds where we can. But um so that was
[4:08:52] Sherwood. Old Burley is the one. And I
[4:08:54] know there's some dispute. Some people
[4:08:55] call it Old Burley, some people don't.
[4:08:58] Um, but Old Burley essentially has three
[4:09:00] different speed limits, which starts at
[4:09:02] 20 mph. Um, down by the airport, it goes
[4:09:05] up to 30 mph. And then this is where,
[4:09:09] um, just past Burley. Um, it is
[4:09:11] currently signed at 30. The special
[4:09:13] speed regulation from 1973 sets it at 40
[4:09:16] mph. [music]
[4:09:17] It's also posted at 30 when you come in
[4:09:20] from Winnham. So if we accept this
[4:09:22] special speed regulation, we would be
[4:09:23] required to post Oberly at 40. So again,
[4:09:27] a workaround for that is to resend this
[4:09:28] special speed regulation, it would then
[4:09:30] revote revert to the uh state statutory
[4:09:33] speed, which is 30. Um, so essentially
[4:09:36] nothing would change. I would just put a
[4:09:38] plaque below the speed limit sign, and
[4:09:40] nobody would have to know any different
[4:09:43] over
[4:09:44] what's going on there, and then we would
[4:09:46] change the map.
[4:09:48] Uh the same issue on Bradford. Bradford
[4:09:51] comes around the corner. Um it is again
[4:09:53] 20 here, 20 here, but then 30 here and
[4:09:56] 30 here. So if we rescend this special
[4:09:58] speed regulation, the entire the entire
[4:10:01] road from Winnham all the way straight
[4:10:03] down all the way down to Cabbat, that
[4:10:05] would all just be 30 m hour and you
[4:10:07] wouldn't have these little pockets of
[4:10:08] these random speed limits.
[4:10:13] Uh Dartmouth
[4:10:19] » [clears throat]
[4:10:22] » Dartmouth had a pocket at the end. So
[4:10:24] from number
[4:10:26] 17 to Colby drops down to 20 in one
[4:10:31] direction. Uh not really regulated in
[4:10:33] the opposite direction and then for the
[4:10:35] most the remainder of the street it is
[4:10:37] 30. So the recommendation was to make it
[4:10:39] simple. uh resend this special speed
[4:10:42] regulation in Dartmouth would be 30 end
[4:10:44] to end and I do believe that it's posted
[4:10:46] at 30. We wouldn't have to change
[4:10:48] anything.
[4:10:52] Princeton Street goes from
[4:10:56] the intersection of Trinity. It starts
[4:10:59] off at 20. It jumps up to 30. It goes to
[4:11:04] the intersection of Dartmouth. And then
[4:11:05] it drops back down to 20 again for one,
[4:11:08] two, three, four, five houses and then
[4:11:10] it goes back up to 30. Um, I have no
[4:11:14] idea how this came about. Mass DOT did
[4:11:18] not like the mid unless you have some
[4:11:21] there was a if we could argue there was
[4:11:23] a hospital there or something. We needed
[4:11:25] um they recommend having one speed limit
[4:11:28] for the the length of the street which
[4:11:31] would the easiest way to accomplish that
[4:11:33] is again resend this one. it would be
[4:11:35] state statutory thickly settled at 30.
[4:11:38] Um the street is currently posted at 30.
[4:11:40] So nothing would change. Um we would
[4:11:42] change the map and then put that special
[4:11:44] little plaque under it to note which
[4:11:45] lobby we're referring to.
[4:11:52] Appleton Broad and Rainbow.
[4:11:55] Oops. Oh, now I've done it.
[4:12:06] Um, Mass DOT noted and this this is
[4:12:08] probably true that at some point in
[4:12:10] history you could drive from these
[4:12:12] streets to Endicott Street. This is now
[4:12:14] closed off. You can no longer get to
[4:12:15] this location. So, they wanted to know
[4:12:17] why we have so many multiple different
[4:12:19] speed limits here. Um, portions of it
[4:12:21] are 20, portions of it are 25. Um, there
[4:12:25] are some signs. We thought the easiest
[4:12:27] way is just ask mass DOT to ensure the
[4:12:31] special speed regulation matches what
[4:12:32] this map says. We're not changing any
[4:12:34] speeds. Um and we will just make sure
[4:12:36] the correct signs are in the correct
[4:12:38] locations, but there'll be no
[4:12:40] essentially there'll be no changes for
[4:12:41] this neighborhood.
[4:12:46] Uh Brad Street A
[4:12:49] is another street. Uh
[4:12:53] the top of it in one direction is 25.
[4:12:55] The majority of Brad Street is 30 and
[4:12:58] then the bottom portion of one side of
[4:13:01] the street is 25. So again, the
[4:13:03] recommendation is to have a consistent
[4:13:05] speed limit for the length of the
[4:13:06] street. Uh resend this special speed
[4:13:08] regulation. The street would default to
[4:13:10] the state statutory 30 m hour. It is
[4:13:12] currently posted at 30 m hour. So
[4:13:14] nothing would change with that street.
[4:13:21] Prince and garden.
[4:13:28] You must be impressed that I can find
[4:13:29] these these quickly on this map. Right.
[4:13:31] So, Prince and Garden Mass DOT. So,
[4:13:34] currently um so Prince Street um at the
[4:13:37] intersection of Center is um 20 mph. Um
[4:13:42] it does not continue on Prince. It turns
[4:13:44] left at 20 onto Garden Street and then
[4:13:46] ends two houses down. Mass DOT asked
[4:13:49] what what was the reason for this? we
[4:13:50] don't really have a reason. So they
[4:13:52] simply asked that this street remain the
[4:13:55] same. So Prince from center to the
[4:13:57] intersection of garden would be 20 and
[4:13:59] end there and then uh garden street in
[4:14:02] its length would be 30. Um that is
[4:14:04] currently I believe how it's posted. So
[4:14:06] we would just update the map and make
[4:14:08] sure the signs had the correct plaques.
[4:14:10] This section here is the only part that
[4:14:12] would change.
[4:14:15] And then Beaver Park is done correctly.
[4:14:17] We don't need any signs, map or uh or
[4:14:19] language changes,
[4:14:21] >> Lieutenant.
[4:14:21] >> Okay.
[4:14:22] >> So, they did require in order to fix
[4:14:24] Dayton Street, we had to address the
[4:14:26] rest of these. The residents have been
[4:14:27] very patient with us, but this is why it
[4:14:30] took so long. Uh street department,
[4:14:32] engineering department, and the police
[4:14:33] department have worked on gathering all
[4:14:36] of this information for the past few
[4:14:38] months to put it together for you.
[4:14:39] >> Jeez.
[4:14:40] >> Thank you. Thank you. Uh so, board
[4:14:44] members, question. Yes. Remember Bean?
[4:14:46] >> Just a quick question. Do you think all
[4:14:47] these are you going to have a sale on 20
[4:14:49] mph sign first? [laughter] That's the
[4:14:51] first thing.
[4:14:51] >> I should have been in the flashing light
[4:14:53] and sign business. One sign on Dayton
[4:14:55] Street, one illuminated speed limit
[4:14:56] sign. It's just a speed limit sign that
[4:14:58] lights up. Radio Shack, it's $1,500.
[4:15:01] >> Wow.
[4:15:02] >> Do you think some of these uh sign the
[4:15:05] speed changes were made
[4:15:08] >> by neighbor complaints back back in the
[4:15:11] day? Do you think that the town was just
[4:15:14] >> I would assume there was a probably a
[4:15:16] point in time where somebody could just
[4:15:17] call somebody and say they're going too
[4:15:18] fast. Put up a sign.
[4:15:19] >> Yeah.
[4:15:20] >> Um and that's just what got done.
[4:15:22] >> Yeah.
[4:15:23] >> That's all. Thank you.
[4:15:24] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Trust.
[4:15:27] >> No, I I very thorough and I appreciate
[4:15:29] all the work that went into this to make
[4:15:31] Dayton people happy because I have some
[4:15:34] friends on Dayton Street and I've heard
[4:15:35] their concerns for quite a while. So,
[4:15:38] it's good. Thank you. Thank you.
[4:15:41] >> Member Bennett.
[4:15:42] >> Uh, Lieutenant Sullivan, we've been
[4:15:45] discussing these streets for years.
[4:15:47] Thank you for finally getting this done.
[4:15:51] » Member Bernard,
[4:15:52] >> good job. I just don't understand it.
[4:15:54] [laughter]
[4:15:55] >> No, I understand what you're saying, but
[4:15:56] I don't understand the difference in the
[4:15:58] speeds with the streets and 1973. Maybe
[4:16:02] we should change.
[4:16:04] >> No, maybe they should change like we've
[4:16:05] changed the town meeting directing it.
[4:16:07] [laughter] You know what I'm saying?
[4:16:08] since 1973. Does Mass DOT even come and
[4:16:11] drive these streets? Probably not.
[4:16:13] >> No, they go by your by whatever you
[4:16:16] >> Good job. You did a great presentation.
[4:16:18] >> So, um, are we open to taking this as a
[4:16:22] slate?
[4:16:23] >> Yes.
[4:16:23] >> Are we Do we want to carve anything out?
[4:16:26] I see a consensus here. Take it as a
[4:16:28] slate. Okay. I'll entertain a motion.
[4:16:31] >> Motion to approve the slate.
[4:16:34] >> You have words you want.
[4:16:36] >> Um, no. I mean I think
[4:16:39] >> no yeah
[4:16:40] >> um I don't think I have a
[4:16:42] >> as presented I think
[4:16:43] >> yeah just approved the slate as
[4:16:44] presented um
[4:16:46] >> be happy to say let's approve the slate
[4:16:49] as presented by Lieutenant Sullivan
[4:16:52] >> second
[4:16:52] >> still lieutenant right
[4:16:53] >> yes
[4:16:54] >> yeah any any further discussion
[4:16:56] >> motion right here
[4:16:59] >> none okay so I got a motion and a
[4:17:02] seconded all those in favor say I
[4:17:04] >> I
[4:17:06] AL.
[4:17:07] >> Thank you so much.
[4:17:08] >> Thank you, Lieutenant.
[4:17:09] >> Thank you,
[4:17:10] >> Mr. Chair. If I may, just I want to make
[4:17:11] sure I say this out loud for clarity.
[4:17:13] Um, we talked earlier about the notice
[4:17:16] requirements. So, the changes you made
[4:17:18] on local regulations is governed by Mass
[4:17:21] General Law, Chapter 40, Section 22
[4:17:24] that reads, uh, such rules and orders
[4:17:26] shall not take effect until they have
[4:17:28] been published at least once in a
[4:17:30] newspaper published in the city, town,
[4:17:33] or country. This section references
[4:17:35] chapter 90, section 18, which reiterates
[4:17:37] that a one-time newspaper notice is
[4:17:39] required to adopt or resend some speed
[4:17:42] limits, parking, all that kind of stuff.
[4:17:43] So, I just want to make it clear, we
[4:17:45] have to publish in the newspaper
[4:17:46] everything we did tonight, both um Park
[4:17:51] Street and these and then get to work on
[4:17:54] the posting.
[4:17:55] >> Okay. Thank you.
[4:18:01] » Okay. Was that the end of the agenda?
[4:18:03] >> Nope.
[4:18:05] >> [laughter]
[4:18:06] >> Nope.
[4:18:10] » Madame clerk,
[4:18:13] [laughter]
[4:18:15] » the town clerk will provide an update on
[4:18:18] the November 3rd, 2026 state election
[4:18:20] and request votes to set early voting
[4:18:22] location and confirm warrant details.
[4:18:25] >> Thank you. way.
[4:18:27] >> So, in I in your packet, I sent you, uh,
[4:18:30] a memo, and on that memo, I have some
[4:18:33] information. So, um, election day is
[4:18:36] Tuesday, November 3rd at Danvers High
[4:18:38] School from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Uh,
[4:18:41] this is the state election. The ballot
[4:18:44] is two pages based and based on nine
[4:18:46] questions. So, I don't usually give you
[4:18:48] a copy of the the ballot, but I did in
[4:18:51] this case, just so we've never had a
[4:18:53] two-page ballot, as far as I know. Um,
[4:18:56] so I'm giving you a sample of the two
[4:18:58] pages. So, um, it is they're called
[4:19:02] cards. So, the first page of the ballot
[4:19:04] is card one. The second page is going to
[4:19:07] be called card two.
[4:19:09] Um, so when voters come in, when they
[4:19:13] get their ballot in the mail, it's two
[4:19:15] pages. So, when they come in to vote,
[4:19:18] whether it be early voting or at the
[4:19:20] polls on election day, they'll check in
[4:19:23] like they normally do, the pole worker
[4:19:25] will hand them two ballots, two separate
[4:19:28] pages, and they'll have to return those
[4:19:30] two separate pages at the checkout
[4:19:32] table. One of the things that we're
[4:19:34] envisioning is going to be a problem is
[4:19:37] the nine questions. And what we want to
[4:19:39] try to do is to get voters to be
[4:19:42] prepared before they get to the poll. um
[4:19:45] so that they're not tying up the voting
[4:19:48] booth.
[4:19:49] Um also in your packet, so tomorrow um I
[4:19:53] wanted to get through tonight first
[4:19:55] before we posted um a couple of things
[4:19:58] on social media. So um you've got the
[4:20:01] ballot and then uh my assistant over
[4:20:03] there, the town manager is holding up um
[4:20:06] >> Diana White. Yeah,
[4:20:07] >> Mary Beth uh Mary Beth Very did that uh
[4:20:11] flyer and that's going to be part of the
[4:20:13] social media and this this is our effort
[4:20:16] to um get it out there to the voters
[4:20:19] that it's important that you're taking
[4:20:20] the time to review the red book to know
[4:20:23] what your choices are going to be so
[4:20:25] that you're prepared when you go. So for
[4:20:28] early voting um we're going to have or
[4:20:31] we have in the lobby right now a sign
[4:20:33] like the one to the left of the door. Uh
[4:20:35] there's a table in the lobby with chairs
[4:20:38] and some red books. And then there's
[4:20:40] also a checklist sheet that's also
[4:20:43] included as the last page of that red
[4:20:46] book. So you have that in your red book,
[4:20:48] but then we're going to have some of
[4:20:49] these separate pages. Uh we're going to
[4:20:52] give people a space at early voting in
[4:20:55] person and on election day at the
[4:20:57] fieldhouse. There'll be some tables in
[4:20:59] the lobby of the fieldhouse. Uh, and
[4:21:02] we're going to encourage voters to
[4:21:03] either prepare at home or take the time
[4:21:06] to prepare in the lobby before you come
[4:21:10] into the the fieldhouse. Um, otherwise
[4:21:14] the it's going to get all backed up and
[4:21:16] you're going to have people standing in
[4:21:17] the booth for ever because what there's
[4:21:20] nine questions. Uh, so we want people to
[4:21:24] be prepared for that and we're doing the
[4:21:25] best we can to get that word out. We've
[4:21:27] got these um the red books, the
[4:21:29] checklists are in the clerk's office.
[4:21:31] We've got them in the lobby. Uh we're
[4:21:33] going to put social media um bursts
[4:21:35] tomorrow.
[4:21:38] Uh and then what else do I have here? Um
[4:21:42] >> talk about the dates.
[4:21:44] >> The dates Nove
[4:21:47] trying to get through the rest of this
[4:21:48] other stuff I have here too. Wait a
[4:21:50] minute. Let's see the voter guide. Um,
[4:21:52] we do, uh, voters are encouraged to
[4:21:54] check your voting status to make sure
[4:21:56] that you are registered to vote and you
[4:21:58] can do that on mass.gov and then you
[4:22:00] search election division. Um, there are
[4:22:03] still some inactive voters that did not
[4:22:06] return the census. So you if you are
[4:22:10] inactive, you would be asked to show
[4:22:12] proof of a residency, which could be a
[4:22:15] driver's license or something else. So
[4:22:17] you want to check that status before you
[4:22:19] get to the poll. Uh, and then if you've
[4:22:23] done vote by mail,
[4:22:25] um, we have, uh, mailed out as of today,
[4:22:29] 4,519
[4:22:31] ballots have gone out to voters. So,
[4:22:34] those are all the requests that came in
[4:22:36] through today.
[4:22:37] >> Uh, so if you have requested a ballot,
[4:22:39] it should be coming in the next couple
[4:22:41] of days. And you can check the status of
[4:22:44] your ballot on that election division
[4:22:46] site as well. So, it would say if you
[4:22:48] went on there and you clicked and you
[4:22:50] put your information, it would tell you
[4:22:52] that the ballot has been mailed. Uh, and
[4:22:54] then when you send the ballot back and
[4:22:55] we process it, it will say that the
[4:22:57] ballot has been received. So, that you
[4:22:59] would know you're all set. Uh, let's
[4:23:02] see. The last day to register to vote is
[4:23:05] the second Saturday of early voting,
[4:23:08] which is going to be Saturday, October
[4:23:09] 24th.
[4:23:11] Um, let's see. you can still return your
[4:23:14] vote by mail card and we're still
[4:23:16] processing out mailed ballots. Um, one
[4:23:19] of the I need a couple of motions
[4:23:21] tonight. So, early voting for this
[4:23:23] election is going to run for two weeks.
[4:23:25] So, it's going to start on Saturday,
[4:23:27] October 17th. And we're going to have
[4:23:30] two Saturdays, the 17th and the 24th
[4:23:33] from 10:00 a.m. to 4 pm. And then for
[4:23:36] those two weeks from the 17th of October
[4:23:39] through Friday, October 30th,
[4:23:42] it'll be during regular business hours
[4:23:44] in this room in the TUMI room. So voters
[4:23:47] can come um and vote in person during
[4:23:50] that time as well. So, I would like a
[4:23:53] motion, if I could, and I think I've got
[4:23:55] a potential motion on there to um
[4:23:58] approve the uh designate town hall as
[4:24:01] the early voting location at the hours.
[4:24:04] And I want to have that by roll call if
[4:24:05] I could.
[4:24:06] >> Sure.
[4:24:07] So, moved.
[4:24:09] >> Well, do you you want the words? You can
[4:24:11] just um if you the the proposed motion,
[4:24:14] you don't have to list all the different
[4:24:15] days, but if you just read
[4:24:16] >> I make a motion to designate Town Hall
[4:24:18] One Silven Street as the early voting
[4:24:20] location for the November 3rd, 2026
[4:24:23] state election from October 17th, 2026
[4:24:26] through October 30th, 2026 during
[4:24:29] regular business hours as well as
[4:24:31] Saturday, October 17th and Sunday,
[4:24:34] October 24th between
[4:24:35] >> and Saturday,
[4:24:36] >> I'm sorry, and Saturday, October 24th
[4:24:38] between 10:00 a.m. in 4 p.m. on these
[4:24:41] Saturdays as presented in the table as
[4:24:44] will be published.
[4:24:45] >> Thank you. [snorts]
[4:24:47] >> And second then
[4:24:49] >> second.
[4:24:49] >> Okay.
[4:24:50] And then
[4:24:52] >> any further discussions
[4:24:54] hear none. Okay. I'll do a roll call
[4:24:56] vote. Member Task.
[4:24:57] >> Yes.
[4:24:58] >> Member Bean.
[4:24:59] >> Yes.
[4:25:00] >> Member Bennett.
[4:25:00] >> Yes.
[4:25:01] >> Member Bernard.
[4:25:02] >> Yes.
[4:25:03] >> And I'm Yes.
[4:25:04] >> Thank you. And then the one other uh
[4:25:06] motion that I'd like tonight by roll
[4:25:08] call as well. Um I need to post the
[4:25:11] warrant. Uh if you designate me to do
[4:25:14] that, I will arrange and facilitate to
[4:25:16] post the warrant based on the state
[4:25:18] prepared ballot.
[4:25:22] >> Now I entertain a motion. I make a
[4:25:23] motion to designate the town clerk to
[4:25:26] prepare and facilitate the posting of
[4:25:28] the warrant for November 3rd, 2026 state
[4:25:32] election based on the state prepared
[4:25:34] ballot.
[4:25:35] >> Do I have a second?
[4:25:36] >> Second.
[4:25:38] >> Okay, I'll take another roll call vote.
[4:25:40] Member Bernard,
[4:25:41] >> yes.
[4:25:42] >> Member Bennett,
[4:25:43] >> yes.
[4:25:43] >> Member Bean,
[4:25:44] >> yes.
[4:25:45] >> Member Tra,
[4:25:46] >> yes.
[4:25:46] >> And I'm Yes.
[4:25:47] >> Thank you. Uh, and I don't know if
[4:25:49] anybody I know it's getting kind of
[4:25:51] late. If anybody has any questions about
[4:25:53] the election, I'm happy to answer.
[4:25:54] >> Questions, comments,
[4:25:58] » and I do have
[4:26:00] >> I do have um registar Wally Typer has
[4:26:03] sat here all night just to listen to the
[4:26:05] election piece.
[4:26:07] >> Member Bean,
[4:26:09] >> I think Wally should get up and tell us
[4:26:10] about the election rules.
[4:26:13] [laughter]
[4:26:14] >> Member to ask.
[4:26:16] >> Don't rush.
[4:26:17] >> Okay. Just keep running good elections.
[4:26:19] >> Thank you.
[4:26:20] I appreciate that. Are we
[4:26:23] ready?
[4:26:23] >> Yes.
[4:26:25] >> Um,
[4:26:26] >> next item on the agenda,
[4:26:29] >> the town manager will report to the
[4:26:30] board on various items of interest.
[4:26:33] >> Well, thank you. Um, I want to start by
[4:26:35] thanking Lieutenant Sullivan and all the
[4:26:37] members of the DTAC uh committee. they
[4:26:40] work very hard and um I as we look into
[4:26:44] parking enforcement and parking how we
[4:26:46] handle parking in general in the
[4:26:48] community also I think it is that it's
[4:26:50] important for us to take some time to
[4:26:51] think about um how we handle the the
[4:26:53] transportation advisory committee um how
[4:26:56] much staff time goes into each one of
[4:26:57] these issues so we will happily engage
[4:26:59] in that conversation with you and thank
[4:27:01] you Lieutenant Sullivan and and the team
[4:27:03] at DTAC um okay so I will try to go
[4:27:07] quickly so I'll start with a power
[4:27:09] supply rate. On September 25th, 2026,
[4:27:13] the municipal light board discussed the
[4:27:14] electric rates regarding the purchase
[4:27:16] power and fuel adjustment charge. The
[4:27:19] PPFA, as they call it, will require a
[4:27:22] rate increase of 0.016 per kilowatt hour
[4:27:25] effective October 6, that's today. The
[4:27:28] average residential electric bill based
[4:27:30] on average usage of 750 kW per month,
[4:27:33] will increase by approximately 9.8% 8%
[4:27:37] which equates to a monthly cost increase
[4:27:39] of approximately $11.95.
[4:27:42] Uh we have a lot to be grateful for also
[4:27:47] this week. So uh cultural council
[4:27:50] appointments. I want to big shout out to
[4:27:52] Phil Bulldock. He's been doing a ton of
[4:27:54] work to recruit for the cultural
[4:27:55] council. If you're not familiar with um
[4:27:57] our local cultural council, they bring
[4:27:59] in uh state grant funding and that then
[4:28:02] goes out to um small nonprofits or
[4:28:05] individuals who are bringing cultural
[4:28:06] activities into the community. He needed
[4:28:08] additional appointees. So, I recently
[4:28:11] met with and appointed um and I
[4:28:13] apologize if I mess up people's names,
[4:28:15] Steve Griezdorf, Liz Bernazani, did I
[4:28:20] get that one right? [snorts] And Lucy
[4:28:22] Desmond. Um, so all of those meetings, I
[4:28:25] meet these people obviously before um I
[4:28:26] appoint them. There's a lot of great
[4:28:28] energy around that and I think that um
[4:28:30] if you're not involved with the local
[4:28:32] cultural council, check it out because I
[4:28:34] think it's getting some great new
[4:28:35] energy. Um I want to congratulate uh
[4:28:39] Rodney Connley and his team in finance.
[4:28:41] The town has been awarded the Government
[4:28:43] Finance Officers Association's
[4:28:46] Distinguished Budget Presentation Award
[4:28:48] for the sixth consecutive year. The
[4:28:50] award signifies the town's continued
[4:28:52] commitment to having our budget serve as
[4:28:54] a policy document, financial plan, and a
[4:28:56] communications device. So, congrats to
[4:28:58] the to the budget team.
[4:29:01] Um, we have uh recently been notified of
[4:29:05] three grant awards, which um I'm pleased
[4:29:09] to announce. One, thank you to the
[4:29:11] police and your team. We have been
[4:29:13] awarded a road safety grant of $38,400.
[4:29:17] Um, I won't go into the details of what
[4:29:19] each of those, but it's road safety and
[4:29:21] everything we talked about here tonight.
[4:29:23] Um, we have received a Seapport Economic
[4:29:26] Council grant for $749,440
[4:29:29] for the um, sampling and permitting and
[4:29:33] um, continued kind of prep work for what
[4:29:35] may ultimately be a dredging project. Um
[4:29:38] and we also received um a community
[4:29:43] planning grant for $25,000 for the next
[4:29:46] stage next phase of the endocott street
[4:29:48] visioning um project that's going on. So
[4:29:52] lots of lots of good things going on um
[4:29:55] with the support of our partners at the
[4:29:56] state. I want to reference just to
[4:29:59] highlight for the board and for the
[4:30:00] public that the October permitting
[4:30:02] update is out. You can find it on the
[4:30:04] website on the planning page and I
[4:30:05] always share it with the board um that
[4:30:08] gives you updates on what's happening at
[4:30:10] uh the land use boards
[4:30:12] and uh some great events that are coming
[4:30:15] up. Uh on Thursday, the Danvers Fire
[4:30:19] Department has their open house. Um
[4:30:22] that's what I referred to earlier. They
[4:30:24] hope to have those shirts back in for
[4:30:26] sale. Um pizza, kids are welcome. Um
[4:30:29] they do the smoke trailer and things
[4:30:31] like that. So, it's a great event. If
[4:30:32] you haven't been, please visit the
[4:30:35] Danvers Fire Department. Um, the police
[4:30:38] department is uh also has a ton going on
[4:30:42] this week. So, October 7th is coffee
[4:30:44] with a cop from 3 to 7 at the Target at
[4:30:47] Liberty Tree Mall. Um October 11th at
[4:30:51] 10:50 10:15 officers will be present at
[4:30:53] St. Mary's for their morning mass
[4:30:55] followed by a coffee hour as part of
[4:30:57] their Faith and Blue weekend. The Faith
[4:30:59] and Blue initiative promotes
[4:31:00] partnerships between faith communities
[4:31:02] and law enforcement.
[4:31:04] And October 22nd uh at 4:00, the police
[4:31:09] have pumpkin painting with the police at
[4:31:11] the police station. Um so just Oh, and I
[4:31:14] want to thank Public Power, Danver's
[4:31:15] Electric, they just had their open house
[4:31:18] um to kick off public power week last
[4:31:20] week. Um also an incredible turnout.
[4:31:22] They think it was a a record turnout
[4:31:25] actually. in um when I went down to
[4:31:27] visit there, it basically was a parade
[4:31:28] of children behind me trying cuz they
[4:31:30] all wanted to get down cuz they could
[4:31:32] see the bucket truck going up and down.
[4:31:34] Um so just really exemplifies how
[4:31:36] accessible the team here in Danver is
[4:31:38] and I hope that all the residents take
[4:31:40] advantage to get to know um the people that work with you and for
[4:31:45] you in this town. And lastly, I have um
[4:31:49] started my precinct meetings. Two weeks
[4:31:51] ago, we did precincts seven and 8, and
[4:31:54] last week we did precincts three and
[4:31:55] five. The attendance has been great. Um,
[4:31:58] we're getting at least half of the town
[4:32:00] meeting members from each of those
[4:32:01] precincts. I'd love to see more. I see
[4:32:03] some of them who are here in the
[4:32:05] audience. Um,
[4:32:07] so I invite you this week, I'm going to
[4:32:09] get it wrong. This week we're at Smith
[4:32:11] School um from 6:30 to 8. Uh, there it's
[4:32:15] a great opportunity for town meeting
[4:32:17] members to come. We do a mapping
[4:32:19] exercise where you can really talk to us
[4:32:20] about your neighborhood, have these
[4:32:22] conversations about streets and and
[4:32:24] safety um and things like that as well
[4:32:27] as um provide a lot of tools to town
[4:32:30] meeting members to help them be prepared
[4:32:32] leading into special town meeting um in
[4:32:34] February. So, please join us the this
[4:32:37] Thursday at Smith School and then the
[4:32:39] following Thursday and we'll be done.
[4:32:41] >> Which precincts is that this week? It's
[4:32:43] four. I know it's four.
[4:32:44] >> Four and six.
[4:32:46] Like if we did three and five. Yes, that
[4:32:48] leaves one and two for the last one.
[4:32:50] >> Okay, [laughter]
[4:32:51] >> thank you. Uh any questions for the town
[4:32:53] manager?
[4:32:55] >> I had a question. What was how much was
[4:32:56] that community planning granted and
[4:32:59] vision?
[4:33:00] >> 25,000.
[4:33:01] >> Right. Thank you. That's it.
[4:33:04] >> Member Betty.
[4:33:05] >> No, I'm good.
[4:33:06] >> Member Bean,
[4:33:07] >> a quick question. Did you say there was
[4:33:09] a $750,000 grant for the river
[4:33:12] >> for Yes. Seore economic council? It's
[4:33:15] the um the um soil sampling and
[4:33:19] continuing to move through permitting
[4:33:22] if we move towards dredging of the grant
[4:33:24] which is a larger financial discussion.
[4:33:26] >> Wow. Thank you.
[4:33:27] >> Mhm.
[4:33:28] >> Member Task.
[4:33:29] >> No questions for the time manager.
[4:33:31] >> Perfect.
[4:33:31] >> Thank you.
[4:33:32] very much.
[4:33:33] >> Thank you.
[4:33:34] >> Madam Clerk,
[4:33:36] >> the board will consider consent calendar
[4:33:38] items as they appear below.
[4:33:40] >> Motion to approve. Second. Any
[4:33:43] discussions? All those in favor say I.
[4:33:47] >> I.
[4:33:48] >> Thank you.
[4:33:49] >> Correspondents, select board new
[4:33:51] business, previous new public business
[4:33:53] updates, and select board closing
[4:33:55] comments.
[4:33:56] >> Okay. Uh, member Bennett, and I'll come
[4:33:58] back to you at the end there.
[4:34:00] >> Um, I have nothing to offer this
[4:34:02] evening.
[4:34:03] >> Thank you, Member Bernard.
[4:34:06] >> Um, no, it was a great meeting. Um,
[4:34:09] we're down to a lot of business again, I
[4:34:11] think. Um, you know, uh, your wife
[4:34:13] getting up was unbelievable. You're a
[4:34:15] good husband, too. You know, she's lucky
[4:34:17] to have you. Good team. Um,
[4:34:19] >> I heard that.
[4:34:20] >> Yeah. [laughter] Um, she told me to say
[4:34:23] that. No, I'm kidding. Um, I just want
[4:34:25] to make people aware about, um, they've
[4:34:27] probably heard on the news about the d
[4:34:29] the governor declared the state of
[4:34:30] energy emergency, the executive order.
[4:34:33] So, there's I don't want to say um,
[4:34:35] reach out to uh, you know, www.mmass.gov
[4:34:39] gov to try to find if there's some money
[4:34:42] available for heat and electric bills,
[4:34:44] too. And maybe we could have Clint come
[4:34:46] in sometime and talk about, you know, um
[4:34:49] why the increase with the electric and
[4:34:52] how can people save and um because there
[4:34:55] was something on there about um lowering
[4:34:58] their heat and electric bills this
[4:34:59] winter. You know, as everybody know, um
[4:35:02] I mean, you go to the gas station,
[4:35:03] right? people are seeing the the impact
[4:35:05] of the war in Iran every time they fill
[4:35:07] up with their gas taking place. Um you
[4:35:10] know for the heat and oil and when you
[4:35:12] open up your electric bill as she just
[4:35:14] said it's go everything seems to be
[4:35:16] going up too. So every family deserves a
[4:35:19] warm safe home. There's Citizens Energy
[4:35:21] with Joe Kennedy. Um you know right now
[4:35:25] the statistics are saying 608 a gallon
[4:35:28] heat and oil versus $3.52 last year.
[4:35:31] That's a 73% increase. Um so and then 60
[4:35:36] there's all kinds of formulas. What it's
[4:35:38] trying to do from what I [cough]
[4:35:39] understand I just heard it late at night
[4:35:41] too is that um they're trying to help
[4:35:44] the middle class more now too where
[4:35:45] before it was more low income people but
[4:35:48] now it's um naturally it goes by income
[4:35:50] guidelines things like that.
[4:35:52] >> A question on that.
[4:35:52] >> Yeah,
[4:35:53] >> that sounds great. But is it just for
[4:35:55] oil heat?
[4:35:56] >> Oil and heat. So what I'm I'm sorry oil.
[4:35:59] It says oil and electric bills,
[4:36:00] >> right? Oil is about 24% of the people
[4:36:04] use it. 50 odd% use gas.
[4:36:06] >> Yeah, I know. But
[4:36:07] >> anything for gas people?
[4:36:08] >> I It didn't say gas.
[4:36:10] >> No, and then there said the the smart
[4:36:12] program on residential. Um she's trying
[4:36:14] to eliminate that smart program uh with
[4:36:17] the electric bills for three months. Um
[4:36:19] so that's something um you know just look at go to mass.govheating
[4:36:25] help you know for people for the
[4:36:27] residents out there. any anything we can
[4:36:29] do and you know I worry I work in Lynn I
[4:36:32] see a lot of you know families you know
[4:36:35] it's going to be mittens and gloves and
[4:36:37] coat drives food pantry Kowanas does a
[4:36:40] lot too um so anything we can do as a
[4:36:43] community to help you know our residents
[4:36:46] here too and the surrounding communities
[4:36:47] but that's it thank you
[4:36:49] >> thank you very much member Bean
[4:36:53] >> um I can't Moren used up all my minutes
[4:36:56] [laughter]
[4:36:56] >> sorry Wait, let me get the timer.
[4:36:58] >> I got a second.
[4:36:58] >> Let me start the timer.
[4:37:00] >> Uh, no. I actually do not have anything
[4:37:02] to say about that.
[4:37:02] >> Thank you. Member T.
[4:37:04] >> Uh, we I got the same correspondence
[4:37:07] everybody did, I'm sure. Um, um, but I,
[4:37:10] uh, as a member as the liaison to the,
[4:37:13] um, [clears throat] accessibility
[4:37:15] commission. Uh, I want to remind people
[4:37:18] that I don't know if it's before our
[4:37:20] next meeting or not, but the human
[4:37:22] library event is going to be happening
[4:37:23] on Saturday, October 17th from 10:00
[4:37:25] a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Um, this is an
[4:37:28] opportunity to meet with um live books,
[4:37:32] live people who are uh are there to
[4:37:34] discuss various topics that you may have
[4:37:37] interest in understanding, better
[4:37:38] understanding their life experience. So,
[4:37:41] I encourage you to look for the flyers,
[4:37:43] look for the poster boards, look for the
[4:37:45] um I know there's a Facebook events
[4:37:47] being posted about this uh and look to
[4:37:50] DECAT as well uh for more information.
[4:37:52] Um and I'm just I can't remember whether
[4:37:55] it's before or after our next meeting.
[4:37:56] So, I don't want to miss the course. I'm
[4:37:57] glad
[4:37:58] >> before. Okay. So, um it's a free event.
[4:38:01] uh people are uh welcome to go and uh
[4:38:04] there'll be a number of people talking
[4:38:05] about their life experiences to help for
[4:38:08] a for better understanding. Um so we
[4:38:11] welcome that. I did attend also uh the
[4:38:14] recent river committee. It was very
[4:38:15] interesting to get back on after so many
[4:38:18] years um and enjoyed it immensely. And
[4:38:22] um I think that's all I have to report
[4:38:23] from uh from that end. Thank you. Uh I
[4:38:26] do I'm sorry. I do have one other
[4:38:27] comment and I don't want to leave it to
[4:38:30] uh to Mr. Bennett to defend himself uh
[4:38:34] necessarily, but earlier there was a
[4:38:37] statement made by a member of the public
[4:38:38] that alluded to the fact that he may
[4:38:41] have been speaking as a select board
[4:38:42] member or offering a position to the
[4:38:45] board. He was not. I saw the show. He
[4:38:48] specifically and intently told us all
[4:38:51] that he was speaking as a citizen. So if
[4:38:54] there was any illusion to that, I wish
[4:38:57] it uh I want it to be dispelled. I
[4:39:00] understand new business, we take new
[4:39:01] business and not necessarily respond.
[4:39:04] I'm not responding to that person. That
[4:39:06] person's no longer here in the room, but
[4:39:08] I want the clarity to be there and not
[4:39:11] wait for the next two weeks.
[4:39:13] >> Okay. Thank you. And and just a quick
[4:39:16] point on that. I I mean
[4:39:18] I don't the reason why I didn't want to
[4:39:21] proceed number one because it was new
[4:39:22] business but number two because the
[4:39:25] video spoke for itself. Um people can
[4:39:29] make it what they may. Anyone can watch
[4:39:31] it. It was very clear what he said, how
[4:39:34] he said it, what he the intent was.
[4:39:37] People will have their own
[4:39:38] interpretation and you could say he
[4:39:40] wasn't he was I don't think it would
[4:39:42] change some people's mind. So there was
[4:39:44] no need to engage in public business
[4:39:46] about that given the fact that the video
[4:39:49] is there for everyone to see and clearly
[4:39:52] understand what he said. So the video
[4:39:54] spoke for itself. Thank you. Um now as
[4:40:00] far as the so that was the the next
[4:40:03] meeting do we I know there were couple
[4:40:06] of select board members that were not
[4:40:09] going to be
[4:40:11] >> had some scheduling conflict. Yeah,
[4:40:13] there is a scheduling conflict because
[4:40:15] there's an annual meeting for the real
[4:40:16] estate board. It's always been a
[4:40:18] Thursday. This year they picked a
[4:40:20] Tuesday. Um both uh fellow select board
[4:40:24] me myself have been invited. I told them
[4:40:28] I can't go because of select board
[4:40:30] meeting. However, if you could change it
[4:40:33] to Thursday,
[4:40:36] then we could attend. But Moren, that's
[4:40:38] up to her if she wants to. I mean that
[4:40:40] would be good to either you know I mean
[4:40:42] we've gone in the past you know
[4:40:45] naturally this is our priority but if we
[4:40:47] could move it that would help us.
[4:40:50] >> Yeah.
[4:40:50] >> You know
[4:40:51] >> so will I have no problem with attending
[4:40:54] the 22nd. It's the night of the
[4:40:55] accessibility commission meeting but I'm
[4:40:57] sure they'll understand.
[4:41:00] >> Yeah. I mean either on Monday the 19th
[4:41:03] >> Oh Monday the 19th is free for me. the
[4:41:05] 19th might even be better D if if that's
[4:41:08] better with everybody.
[4:41:09] >> Whatever you like.
[4:41:10] >> Yeah.
[4:41:11] >> Right.
[4:41:14] » But my only thought was um
[4:41:17] two things. Number one was I know staff
[4:41:21] usually have to obviously the town
[4:41:24] manager or staff will do Tuesday or
[4:41:26] Thursdays for most of our meetings. So
[4:41:30] that's why I was thinking more of a
[4:41:32] Tuesday or Thursday because we already
[4:41:34] changing the meeting for the elections
[4:41:36] from Tuesday. Most of the time when we
[4:41:38] can't meet on Tuesday, we meet on
[4:41:40] Thursday.
[4:41:41] >> So I felt that adding a different day
[4:41:44] like a Monday will just to throw
[4:41:46] everybody off. So we want to be Yeah.
[4:41:48] very confusing for the
[4:41:49] >> only thing is on that Thursday I could
[4:41:51] be late. Just so you know, a little
[4:41:53] late.
[4:41:53] >> That's fine.
[4:41:54] >> Okay. But
[4:41:55] >> now if how late
[4:41:58] >> I mean an hour.
[4:41:59] >> Okay. I think that's fine. Yeah,
[4:42:01] >> we can
[4:42:01] >> I don't know what's on the agenda.
[4:42:02] Hopefully it's not as long
[4:42:03] [clears throat] as this one.
[4:42:04] >> Uh it will not uh it will not. But I
[4:42:07] think I think having it Thursday the
[4:42:09] 22nd will make more sense so we stay
[4:42:12] consistent with
[4:42:13] >> p and
[4:42:16] um usually we meet Tuesday on Thursday.
[4:42:18] So Thursday the 22nd on the notes
[4:42:21] >> with the 6:30 start.
[4:42:25] I would say so.
[4:42:26] >> Yes, sure.
[4:42:27] >> Okay.
[4:42:27] >> I mean, you know, I've always been a 700
[4:42:29] p.m. person, but
[4:42:31] >> we will have um just so we know, we have
[4:42:33] early voting in this room, which won't
[4:42:35] be a problem. I don't believe there's
[4:42:36] any other meetings going on.
[4:42:39] >> Okay.
[4:42:39] >> But there might be just booths in the
[4:42:40] back of the room.
[4:42:41] >> That's fine. So,
[4:42:42] >> miscellaneous items.
[4:42:43] >> So, Thursday, uh the 22nd at 6:30.
[4:42:47] >> Yep.
[4:42:47] >> Instead of the 20th.
[4:42:49] >> Okay. Thank you.
[4:42:51] >> Perfect. And then Thursday, November
[4:42:53] 5th. So that kind of stay consistent
[4:42:56] because
[4:42:56] >> Oh, yeah. The next
[4:42:57] >> we having elections. We're having
[4:42:58] election on the 3rd.
[4:43:00] >> Yep.
[4:43:00] >> And Mr. Chairman, just so the board
[4:43:02] knows, I will not be here. Um I'm
[4:43:04] attending a conference that week, so I
[4:43:06] won't be here, but we are set with um
[4:43:08] Rodney Connley will be named interim
[4:43:10] town manager. He'll staff that meeting.
[4:43:12] The amend the agenda should we're
[4:43:14] working on keeping it pretty light. So
[4:43:17] um I have confirmed that staff is
[4:43:18] available for that day.
[4:43:19] >> Perfect. Thank you. 22nd.
[4:43:21] >> Yes, 22nd. Okay,
[4:43:23] >> perfect. So, on that note, I will ask to
[4:43:27] member Bennett to close us out.
[4:43:30] >> Thank you. Well, please when you see
[4:43:31] your vet, thank them for their service
[4:43:34] and let's keep uh current servicemen and
[4:43:37] women safe. Thank you.
[4:43:39] >> Thank you. Good night, Danz. Thank you.