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everyone and welcome to the September
1st, 2026 Dair County Board of

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Commissioners meeting. At this time, I'd
like to call the good Reverend Keith Dye

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for an invocation. Reverend Dy, thank
you as always for being here.

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» Thank you. It is a pleasure. I invite
you to join me in prayer.

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God, we give you thanks for this day,
for its blessings as well as for its

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challenges.
You are the source of all that is joyous

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and good. [snorts]
And you are the provider of wisdom that

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will carry us through the challenging
times.

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We thank you for the conscientious
leadership of this board of

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commissioners and all who oversee the
work done in this beautiful place.

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Watch over these your servants as they
work together to be good stewards of the

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resources needed to keep things running
smoothly

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and provide what is needed for all who
live, work, and sojourn here. We are

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grateful for those who will be honored
today for their service to Dare County.

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We are honored by the time given by
those who lift up the needs of our

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schools, the benefits of our libraries,
and the efforts of programs to help the

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most vulnerable.
We are thankful for all who share their

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knowledge,
for those who serve on county boards,

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and the many who put their safety on the
line as they work to protect us.

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Now we pray that you will fill us with
compassion, concern,

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caring, and creativity.
May our work together this day and

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beyond be a reflection of your
generosity, your mercy, and your love.

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Bless us, gracious God, to be a
blessing.

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Amen.
>> Amen.

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» Thank you, Reverend D. May we stand for
the pledge.

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the stands one

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nation under God indivisible with
liberty and justice for all.

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» Okay, county manager.

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» Thank you, county manager. Um,
happy to have with us this morning the

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chairman of the board of education,
David Twitty. Thank you for being here

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this morning. As well as our favorite
senator, Mr. Haneig, is also here with

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us this morning
[clears throat] as always.

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» Oh, I'm sorry. uh Senator Elect and and
now Senator Jerry Tilllet is in the

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room. Senator, thank you for being with
us as well. Um

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I'd like to start with a little humor.
These three brothers were talking about

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their mother, their 95 year old mother,
and what they plan to get her for a

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birthday. And of course she's hard of
hearing and can't see as well very very

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good. So the first brother John he told
his brothers he said I'm I'mma buy

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mother a new house.
Second brother George he said well I'm

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buying mother a new car. Well Steve said
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you know uh since mother's hard of
hearing and she can't see very well. He

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says, "Uh, I'm going to buy her a parrot
that can recite every scripture in the

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Bible."
So, they did and they all got together

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and the mother spoke to John. She said,
"John,

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the house you bought me is extremely
nice, but it's way too big."

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And she said, "George," she said, 'The
car you bought me is also extremely

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nice, but it's way too fast.
She said, "Steve, yours really was the

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best." She said, "The chicken was
delicious."

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Now, some out there say, "Why does he do
this? Why does he tell a joke? Why does

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he have a little bit of humor?"
Well, the professionals say

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before
a meeting,

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laughter lowers the level of stress
in your blood stream. So, I'm helping my

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fellow commissioners out.
Physical tensions fade when you chuckle

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or smile, so it relaxes their muscles.

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A brief mental break sharpens your
attention to hard task so it proves

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their focus and a positive feeling
replaces the nervous dread so it boosts

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your moods as well. So that's why I have
a little humor before each and every

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board meeting. Have a few things to
cover this morning. Most of you out

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there are very much aware of the fact
that Dominion Energy is requesting a

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rate hike. The North Carolina Utilities
Commission is going to hold a series of

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public hearings stating in late
September. Uh they said this back in May

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when they filed a rate proposal with the
North Carolina Utilities Commission.

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These meetings will begin at 700 pm
and our meeting here in Dair County. It

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will be right here in this room on
October the 13th. So, if you'd like to

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make public comment, please please show
up because these this average um is

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seeking um about a 13 to 15.5%
increase.

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In addition to that rate increase,
earlier this month, Dominion Energy also

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has filed a request with the uh North
Carolina Utilities Commission seeking

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approval to update the fuel cost for
customers in northeast North Carolina.

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And the Out of Bank's voice reports that
this could add some $23 uh dollars

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additional dollars
um per month to your utility bill in

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addition to the potential 13 to 15.5%
if they get this rate hike. This rate

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hike um is u is a substantial amount of
money that they're looking for. Um uh

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they serve about 129,000 customers in
northeast North Carolina from Rono

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Rapids, Aoski, uh Williamson, Elizabeth
City, and the Outer Banks. So, um if you

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if you want to make public comment,
October 13 in this room, 700 pm

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concerning those rate hikes.
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» Don't do it.
>> Oh, sorry. [laughter]

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I'll hold my comments for later.
>> All right.

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10 days from today
may strike your memory,

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uh the lives of lost at the World Trade
Center some 25 years ago. On September

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11th, 2020, 2001, countless lives were
uh were changed forever. On this coming

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Friday,
September 11th, we will remember every

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soul who ever who who never made it
home. Um, every family left with an

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empty chair, every loved one who still
carries the pain of that to that. Today,

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we will remember the innocent lives lost
at the World Trade Center and all those

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who gave their lives trying to save
others. Their names may be etched in

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stone, but they live on in the hearts of
those who love them and in the memory of

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a nation. Some wounds never completely
heal. Some losses can never be replaced,

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but as long as we remember, they will
never truly be gone. So for every life,

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for every family, for every hero, we
remember, we mourn, and we honor. and we

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will certainly never ever forget.
And last but certainly not least, um

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I have the great privilege and and and
sincere gratitude to to offer Dare

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County Board of Commissioners uh
recognition of Senator Bob, Senator

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Bobby Haney for his dedicated service,
his steadfast leadership, and his

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tireless efforts on behalf of the people
of North Carolina's first Senate

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District. district representing Bertie,
Camden, Curry, Tuck, Dair, Gates,

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Herdford, Northampton, Pasquank,
Pquimmans, and Terrell counties.

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Now, Senator, Senator Haney, Bobby
commitment to public service spans

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nearly a decade. He began his
legislative career as the state

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representative of North Carolina House
District 6, sering from serving from

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January 2019 through August 2022.
He then continued his service in the

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North Carolina Senate as senator for
district 1 from August 2022 through

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August 2026.
And prior to his service in the General

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Assembly, Bobby served a two-year term
as Curry Tuck County Commissioner from

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December 16th uh excuse me, December
2016 through December 2018.

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And throughout Bobby's service, he has
demonstrated a deep understanding of the

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unique character, traditions,
challenges, and opportunities that

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define our co coastal communities. He
consistently worked to ensure that

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voices of North Eastern North Carolina
are not only heard in Raleigh, but

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respected and represented in the
decisions that affect our families,

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businesses, communities, and our way of
life.

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From our fishermen and working
waterfronts to our farmers, small

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businesses, families, and local
communities, Senator Haneig has shown a

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willingness to stand up and fight for
the people who make our region strong.

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His advocacy for the fishing industry
and those who livelihoods depend on the

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waters of our coast reflect an
appreciation for the heritage and

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traditions that have st that have
sustained eastern North Carolina for

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generations.
He has worked to protect the interest of

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our counties, to address the concerns of
our citizens, and to preserve the

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freedoms, the opportunities, and the
quality quality of life that make our

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communities so special. Whether the
issue has involved our coastal economy,

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agriculture, infrastructure, public
safety, local government, or the

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[clears throat] everyday concerns of
working families. He has brought a

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strong and determined voice to the
table. True public service is measured

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not simply by legislation or
accomplishments, but [clears throat] by

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the willingness of the elected official
to listen, to show up, to stand with his

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constituents, and to fight for the
communities they represent. And Senator

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Haneig has surely
done this time and time again and his

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service has reflected that commitment.
Bobby, for your courage to advocate for

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Eastern North Carolina, your dedication
to our communities, and your continued

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efforts on behalf of the people of
Senate District 1. We extend our deepest

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appreciation, and I'd like for you to
meet me up front for a presentation.

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» [applause]

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» Am I the employee of the month?
[laughter]

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» Never let us down with that outfit you
got on, brother.

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This is a ticket appreciation, Bobby,
and grateful recognition of your uh

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dedicated service, steadfast leadership,
and tireless advocacy on behalf of the

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people there in eastern North Carolina.
Our Dair County Board of Commissioners

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salute you for your courage, your
commitment, and your extraordinary

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service to the people of Eastern North
Carolina. and I can't thank you enough

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for your friendship and always always
always

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being there for us. Appreciate it.
[applause]

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» Very brief. Okay.
>> Very brief. Very brief.

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» Thank you.
>> Just kidding. Um, you know, Bob Bob said

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some great words up here, but uh, nobody
does it by themselves. It's been a great

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partnership with you guys. Um, always
communicating with me. U,

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early mornings, late nights. Uh, we all
do it together. Nobody does it alone.

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Uh, proud to serve y'all. And, uh, I'm
stepping down, but I'm not stepping

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away. So, thank you.

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[applause]

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Thank you, Bobby.
All right, county manager.

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Mr. Chairman, that brings us to item two
on our agenda. This is service pins.

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We'll be recognizing our employees for
years of service today. We have 75 years

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of service that we're recognizing. And
we'll start with Gloria J, who will

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receive her tenure pin from Cliff
Ryland.

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Good morning and welcome.
>> Thank you, commissioners.

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» So, I have a think pages here. Not
really. Um, today I have the privilege

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of recognizing Gloria Jay for her 10
years of dedicated service to Dair

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County um and to Dair County DHS
specifically. Um 10 years is a

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tremendous milestone and when I think
about Gloria and what she brings to our

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department the words immediately come to
mind are reliable, dependable,

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professional and consistent and that's
every day with her. Um I had the

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opportunity to work closely with Gloria
and I think what stands out even more is

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just how she genuinely cares um about
her job, about the organization and

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about the people around her. Um I can
tell you personally that Gloria keeps me

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on point. There are a lot of moving
pieces in public health. Um, and Gloria

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is usually reminding me like, "Hey,
Cliff, we got this policy due." Or,

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"Hey, Cliff, you know, we have something
that needs to come up on your radar."

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And she's always on point and always on
time. And, uh, she never misses a

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deadline and she stay always stays ahead
of them. Um, she takes ownership of our

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policy review, update processes. Um, and
she works to maintain overall policy

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compliance throughout public health, due
dates, follow-ups, anything that needs

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attention and she's making sure nothing
falls through the cracks and I want to

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thank you for that. She takes that
personal responsibility seriously and

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she understands that doing her job well
contributes to the success of the entire

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department.
Um, she serves as our primary point of

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contact for vital records in Dare
County. Um she's handling all the birth

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certificates, deaths, home births
processes, burial trans uh transmits. Um

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any unique situations that come along,
she's on top of. Um it's a very detail-

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oriented work that she requires uh
accuracy, confidentiality,

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professionalism, and trust, and she
handles that exceptionally well.

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She also plays an important part in our
safety in DHS. She coordinates um all of

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our safety inspections, making sure
concerns are identified and addressed.

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One additional duty that she takes care
of is our CPR classes for uh Dare County

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employees and members of our community.
And through that work, Gloria is helping

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give people skills that literally help
save people's lives.

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But I don't want today to be about just
her responsibilities because um she

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brings a lot more to our team than that.
something I personally um think that's

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um Gloria genuinely cares about people
that she works with. Um she's

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continually checking up on everyone,
asking how you're doing, how your

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family's doing, um your kids. Um and
then when she asks you, you can tell

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that she genuinely cares
and that's not a small thing. Um

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she's always sort of personally
reminding me, you know, of the things I

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need to take care of at work and keeping
me on point. Um, and that's Gloria. She

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cares about getting the job done right,
but she also cares about the people

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around her. Um, also I want to mention
any kudos or any recognition that our

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department gets, um, any administrative
task, um, anything going well, a process

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improvement, Gloria has her hand in it
somewhere. Um, when we're recognized

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because something was on time or
compliant, um, something's running

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smoothly,
it's usually because Gloria is helping

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with that process. And I know she will
never seek the spotlight. Um, she isn't

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someone who needs attention or wants
everyone to know everything she's done.

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Simply does the work, does it well,
moves on to the next thing that needs to

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be accomplished. She's a quiet
professional. Um, she doesn't seek

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recognition, but she definitely deserves
it. A lot of what she does happens

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quietly behind the scenes. Uh sometimes
there are people who make organizations

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successful aren't necessarily the people
standing out front. They're people you

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can depend on every single day. The ones
who remember the details, meet the

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deadline, solve the problems, and make
everyone around them better at their

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jobs. Um I crunched some numbers here,
Gloria, so you can know about how many

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days you've committed to Dare County. So
I like to I like to crunch numbers, but

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um 10 years of service. So that like
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years, minus some holidays in there. And
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since I've been here. Um, but that's
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work days you've given to Dair County.
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so that's thousands of days and hours
helping co-workers, serving the public,

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meeting deadlines, solving problems,
keeping our facilities safer,

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maintaining compliance, teaching others,
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bit better than the day before. Um, so
today, on behalf of Dare County DHS, and

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personally me, I want to say thank you.
Thank you for keeping us on track, for

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your professionalism and dependability,
for all the work you do, and especially

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for all the work that people don't see.
Thank you for caring about the work just

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as importantly for caring about the
people that you work with. It's been a

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privilege for my time with you working
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years as we recog recognize you today.
Um congratulations Gloria on 10 years of

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achievement excellence with Dair County.
This recognition is definitely welld

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deserved. So
thanks [applause]

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Next, if Monica Cref will come forward
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Dutton.

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» Welcome ladies.
>> Good morning. Good morning chairman,

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commissioners, county manager. It is my
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morning to present Monica with her
10-year service pin.

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Congratulations on achieving this
10-year milestone. We are extremely

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proud to recognize you as an exceptional
with for your exceptional dedication and

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service to DHHS and to our community.
Monica is our BEP nurse. That's our

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breast and cervical cancer control
program and she is an expert in her

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program managing multiple funding
sources for our patients from state

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funding, federal funding and grant
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high standards and accuracy and
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through your compassion and your
dedication, you provide care to those

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who otherwise would not be able to uh
they would find themselves in difficult

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situations um managing their health care
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health outcomes. So, your hard work,
your willingness to help others shines

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through in everything that you do. Your
commitment to our mission and the care

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that you provide the community make a
true difference. We appreciate your

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professionalism, your reliability, and
the passion that you bring to your role.

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If you don't know Monica, her happy
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Right.
And that is a wonderful touch of joy

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that shows through who you are and what
you bring to the what you bring to your

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to your job and what you bring to DHHS.
Dedication is not what others expect of

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you, it's what you give to others. So,
thank you for your 10 years of

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outstanding service and we deeply
appreciate all that you do and we look

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forward to at least I don't know 20 30
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Thank you. Thank you, Monica.
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» Next, if Pam Kaiser would come forward
to receive her 20-year pimp, Daniel

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Stein.

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Welcome again, ladies.
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» So, I couldn't be happier um to be here
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20-year service. Pin [cough] Pam,

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how did that laugh? All right. Pam's 20
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testament to her dedication, commitment,
and loyalty to the inhome aid program

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with the Dare County Department of
Social Services. Pam is highly valued

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for the many contributions she has made
with the care and well-being of the

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residents of Dare County. Her
professionalism, clinical skill,

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clinical skills, compassion, and
extensive knowledge of the inhome aid

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program has positively impacted
countless clients and have helped

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strengthen our program in so many ways.
Pam began her career with Dar County

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Social Services as an in-home aid in
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community health technician or we
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she took on the important responsibility
of ensuring client services were covered

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when other aids called out or were on
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training and orienting new employees. In
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community health technician, which is
what we call our senior lead aid. With

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this promotion came expanded
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daily schedules and coordinating
coverage for our clients, assisting with

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staff trainings and meetings and
managing schedule changes. Anyone who

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works with Pam knows that she excels at
the challenge of finding coverage at a

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moment's notice and has saved my hide
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to make it work. Other responsibilities
in this role include coordination with

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the Der County garage regarding
regarding maintenance and repairs of our

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fleet vehicles. Again, this is something
I could not do without her. This may not

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be the most glamorous part of the job,
but it's another example of the many

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behindthe-scenes responsibilities Pam
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smoothly. As a licensed CNA, Pam
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including assistance with bathing,
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and home management tasks. This work is
not easy. It requires physical strength

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and endurance along with the ability to
stand for long periods of time, bend,

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lift, assist clients with transfers and
personal care. But the physical demands

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are only part of what makes this job
challenging. Over the years, inh

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homemade develop a close relationship
with the clients they serve.

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They celebrate the good days, provide
encouragement through the difficult

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ones, and sometimes witness a client's
physical physical decline while

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continuing to offer steady support to
the client and their family. This takes

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an incredible amount of emotional
strength and resilience.

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Pans de demonstrates unwavering patience
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especially when she's faced with diff
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routines. Her observant nature and
clinical experience has allowed her to

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recognize subtle changes in a client's
condition and report those concerns

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before they develop into more serious
problems. That level of attentive

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attentiveness can make an immeasurable
difference in someone's life. Outside of

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her work, Pam is a supportive wife and a
loving mother. She also has two

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four-legged kiddo kiddos, Gizmo and
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Pam is talented, very talented creator
of custom quilts and spent many years of

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doing crossstitch. She often shares her
creativity by making thoughtful handmade

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gifts for her co-workers.
Her thoughtfulness and creativity are

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just two of the many qualities that make
Pam such a special person.

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Professionally, Pam's years of
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have made her an invaluable invaluable
resource to our team. She has played an

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important role in orienting and
supporting new staff, helping ensure

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that new employees have knowledge, the
skills, and foundation they need to be

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successful. Pam is truly a team player.
She's always willing to help in whatever

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way she can. When she's given a task, I
know it will be completed and completed

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to the highest degree. She is often
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issues before they even become problems.
As her supervisor, I often think of Pam

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as our own version of MacGyver. Somehow
she can always rig about anything to

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meet to meet the need at hand. If there
is a problem to solve, Pam will usually

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figure it out. Her depend dependability,
initiative, and willingness to step up

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are qualities that I greatly appreciate.
I hope Pam realizes what an incredible

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asset she is, not only to me, but to all
the ladies in the team and most and most

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importantly to the clients we serve.
Pam's compassion and ability to connect

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with others are not qualities that can
simply be taught. Her heartfelt

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compassion goes far beyond the duties
listed on the job description. She shows

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genuine care for not only her clients
but for also her co-workers. She has a

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way of making pe people feel supported
and valued and cared for. And that is a

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gift that has made a lasting difference
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Pam,
>> dedicated and loyal employees are

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difficult to find and we are incredibly
fortunate to have you. I want to take

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this time and opportunity to personally
thank you for your dedication to the

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program. You have touched so many lives
of so many people in our community and

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you've made a difference in my life as
well. You have helped shape the program

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we have today. You are part of the
foundation and cornerstone for the

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success of the INH home aid program.
Your 20 years of service represent far

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more than just a number. They represent
20 years of caring for others,

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supporting your co-workers, serving your
community, solving problems, stepping

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up, and making a difference in the lives
of countless people. Pam,

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congratulations on your 20 years of
dedicated service.

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[applause]

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» [applause]

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[clears throat]
>> Next, if Debbie Dutton would come

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forward to receive her 35-year pin from
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» Wow. Welcome.
>> 35.

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Yeah, it's pretty remarkable um to be
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we just recognized Gloria, Monica, Pam,
and now Debbie, 75 years of service is a

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remarkable feat, but that's 75 years of
service within one department in Dare

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County. So, pretty pretty extraordinary.
Um it's truly an honor to once again

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stand before you uh this morning to
recognize an extraordinary individual

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and public servant, Debbie Dutton. for
her 35 years of service to Dare County.

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Five years ago, I had the privilege of
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her 30-year pen. And I remember
reflecting then on the remarkable career

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she had built, the countless people she
had touched, and the tremendous impact

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she's made in public health and in our
community. At the end of my remarks that

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day, I also remember pretty clearly
saying that I hoped Debbie would stay

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with us for at least another three to
five years. And that every day she

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stayed with us, I considered a gift.
Well, Debbie, thank you. We got another

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five years. And what a gift those five
years have been. Today, rather than

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simply looking back at a list of
accomplishment, I think Debbie's 35-year

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milestone gives us an opportunity to
reflect on something even more

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meaningful. the difference one person
can make when they dedicate a career to

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serving others. 35 years is more than a
measure of time. It represents thousands

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of days of showing up for co-workers,
students, family, this community. It

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represents relationships built, people
mentored, programs created, challenges

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overcome, and an organization that has
grown and changed tremendously.

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all [snorts] the way Debbie has been
shaping that growth with her work. She

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began her career with Der County in
1991. Think about where you were in

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1991, 35 years ago. Some people probably
in this room may not have been born

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then. Um she started her career as a
public health nurse, initially working

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as a school nurse and family planning
coordinator. She went on to become a

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full-time school nurse, then the school
nurse supervisor, and ultimately the

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nursing director for our community and
clinical services division. When I asked

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Debbie to reflect on what has changed
during her 35 years of service, one word

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came to mind, growth. Debbie started her
career in a little red brick health

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department building. Some of you may
remember that building um at the corner

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of an anized stair street in highway
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She watched our clinical services expand
from Mano to Fris to Frisco and to Knack

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Head. When Debbie began as a school
nurse, she was only the third school

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nurse in Dare County, helping cover all
the schools from Mano to Hatteris and

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the northern beaches. Today, we have a
school nurse in every Dare County

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school. She remembers when community and
clinical services consisted of only 11

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staff members. Today, she leads a team
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what was once just four programs,
maternal health, family planning, child

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health, and communicable disease, has
now grown into 16 agreement addendums or

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state contracts with numerous programs
and services designed to meet the

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changing needs of our community. Debly
ha Debbie hasn't simply witnessed that

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grow growth. She's helped lead that
growth. She was part of the leadership

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and develop programs such as Peer Power
and Miles of Smiles. She helped extan

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expand prenatal services so more women
could receive care. I remember gosh 12

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years ago we were doing prenatal care
two days a week. Now we're doing it five

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days a week in three locations.
She helped build our school nursing and

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health program into what it is today
which now includes behavioral health and

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as of this school year teleaalth. And
throughout 35 years of tremendous change

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in public health, Debbie has remained a
steady and trusted leader. I also de

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asked Debbie what she's most proud of
beyond, of course, being an incredible

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wife, mom, and grandmother. I had to
throw that in. Um, of course, she

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mentioned being named Dare County
Employee of the Year in 2000. That

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remains a special accomplishment. She
also spoke about her own professional

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journey starting from school nurse
growing into the nurse supervisor and

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director that she is today. But what she
mentioned first tells you a lot about

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Debbie. She talked about the students
she cared for as a school nurse. She

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said one of the things she's most proud
of is having watched those students grow

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into respectful professional adults,
many of whom now work for Dare County or

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work in our schools or own businesses in
the community and are now raising their

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own children. To me, that perfectly
captures what 35 years of public service

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really means. It isn't simply the number
of years you've worked or the positions

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you've held. It's the generations of
people whose lives you have touched

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along the way. And after 35 years, there
are also certainly some great stories.

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Debbie remembers an elementary school
student who was sent to her office to

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have a little hygiene discussion. After
some investigation, Debbie discovered

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that while walking to this the bus stop
in Wanchese, the child had found a dead

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fish on the side of the road and put it
in her pocket of her overalls. As Debbie

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says, like any good little one cheese
girl, I'm sure she had been taught that

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when you find a fish, you take care of
it. Then there was the middle school

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student interviewing Debbie for a PTA
newsletter who asked what the school's

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nur the school nurse's office needed.
And when Debbie asked the question back

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to the student, the students
recommendation was bunk beds.

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And even during COVID, there was a mo
there were moments of joy, including a

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dance party at one of our larger
vaccination clinics, complete with music

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00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:48,079
provided by our volunteers.
Those stories also say something

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00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,800
important about Debbie. Through the
difficult days, the long days, and even

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:58,800
some truly extraordinary days, she never
lost her ability to laugh, connect with

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00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:03,440
people, or find joy in her work. Five
years ago, I described Debbie as kind,

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00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:08,640
compassionate, genuine, respected,
knowledgeable, and the epitome of a

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00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,880
servant, a public health servant. Five
years later, I wouldn't change a word.

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00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:17,440
What I would add is that we now have
five more years of evidence, five more

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00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:22,160
years of leadership, five more years of
mentoring employees, five more years of

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,480
caring for our community, five more
years of quietly doing whatever needed

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00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:31,440
to be done. Not because someone was
watching, but because that is simply who

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00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:36,720
Debbie is. On a personal note, I said
five years ago that I cherish Debbie as

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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:40,320
a person, and I am beyond grateful for
all that she's done for Dair County and

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for public health. And that's even more
true today. 35 years is an extraordinary

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:51,440
legacy of service. You have helped shape
the public health in Dair County. You've

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00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:56,000
cared for generations of families,
helped build programs that will continue

435
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,839
long after all of us are gone, developed
employees and future leaders, and made

436
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:04,480
our organization and our community
better because you're a part of it. Five

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:09,760
years ago, I had said that every
additional day working with us is a

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:14,320
gift. Thanks for giving us 1,824
more days. And I'm certainly not putting

439
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:18,480
an expiration date on that statement,
but I won't hold you to more. on behalf

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,240
of Dare County Health and Human
Services, your colleagues, the countless

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00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:27,920
individuals and families you've served,
and personally for me, thank you for

442
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:32,800
your 35 years of service. And I will one
last thing. I was thinking about this

443
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:37,280
this morning. So Debbie remarkably wears
I'm not going to pull your neck over

444
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:41,680
proud proudly. She is so proud all of
her service year pens. I do worry about

445
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,671
her neck at some point with adding this
this additional pen, but congratulations

446
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,691
and thank you.
>> [applause]

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00:37:50,256 --> 00:37:52,276
[applause]

448
00:37:59,426 --> 00:38:01,446
[applause]

449
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:12,160
» Oh gosh, I don't know if I can say
anything now.

450
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:17,520
First and foremost, [clears throat] I
just want to thank everyone that has

451
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:25,440
supported me along my journey.
What a special what a special career

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00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:30,079
that I I just I will treasure forever.
35 years ago, a special thanks to Harry

453
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:35,599
Johnson and Louise Gray, those might be
names that you recognize, for taking a

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00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:41,200
chance on me, for all of those that have
supported me along the way. And finally,

455
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:46,720
Jay Berth and Sheila Davies for having
the trust in me to put me in the

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00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:52,640
position that I currently hold. I have
been so blessed and God is so good. As

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00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:57,359
Sheila mentioned, we have seen a
tremendous amount of change from where

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00:38:54,240 --> 00:39:00,800
we've been to where we are today has
been a whirlwind.

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00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:06,000
The support of our community is
unmatched. And thank you to the

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00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:10,960
commissioners over the years, our
leadership in DHS over the years in

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00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:17,119
public health has gotten us to where we
are today. The stories are endless. The

462
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:22,000
memories will last a lifetime. I have a
picture in my office that says something

463
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:26,640
that you might have seen somewhere, but
it says, "Love what you do and you'll

464
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:33,747
never work a day in your life." That is
so true. And I have been so blessed. So,

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00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,767
from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
[applause]

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00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:49,079
Next, if Sheriff Doug Dowy would come
forward to present the employee of the

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00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:49,079
month.

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00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,440
» Good morning, everyone.
>> Morning, Sheriff.

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00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,920
this isn't a surprise to him because
I've never been able to surprise him in

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00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:09,839
my life, I don't think. Um, but I will
start out right from the first saying

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00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:14,400
that um I have nothing to do with this.
This was done from somebody on the

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00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:18,720
outside that uh knows this young man
very well because of where what he does

473
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:24,237
while he's here. So, I'll go ahead and
call him up. Brent Daddy, come on up.

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00:40:22,217 --> 00:40:24,237
[applause]

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Good morning.
>> Brent has been recognized by one of the

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00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,880
individuals that he spends more time
with than anybody. rent works uh in our

477
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:50,880
civil process which anybody in here that
comes to court or is around would know

478
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:55,359
that they see him either at the metal
detector or in the courtroom or walking

479
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:59,760
the halls in the in this building
because he does the security over here.

480
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:03,760
So, he's an all-around guy and and it's
and everybody knows him. I don't care

481
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,440
where I go, somebody knows who he is or
where he's been or what he is or what he

482
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:11,599
does. And he called me this morning. He
says, "Anyway I can get out of this," he

483
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:15,839
already knew what he did. The phone call
came to my office and he's not in my

484
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:19,040
office very much, but um the young lady
said, "I can't tell you what I need to

485
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,520
tell you while he's in there." I'm like,
"So, what I'm gonna do, run him out and

486
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,000
he's going to either think he's in real
trouble or is something's going to be

487
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,920
really good." Well, um you know, then he
started looking and he figured out, hey,

488
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,359
well, I talk to somebody because he knew
who to talk to and figured out it was

489
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,040
but didn't let me know that he knew who
he was that it was going to be him until

490
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,800
this morning. But he said, "I'd really
rather not do this." And I understand

491
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:45,760
that completely. He's never been one
that wanted any accolades or tried to um

492
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,760
put himself up in front of anybody. He
uh he's definitely a public servant.

493
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:55,280
Loves what he does. Been doing this for
14 years. Um and I'm going to read what

494
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:58,480
the young man that uh that nominated him
for this position said. He said, "I am

495
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:02,000
nominating Brent Daddy for employee of
the month. And I want to explain why

496
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:06,480
length of service is not a reason to
take someone's contribution for granted.

497
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:11,200
It is a reason to recognize it more
specifically. Brent has been with the

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00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Dair County Sheriff's Office since 2012.
What he contributed this month was not

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00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:18,640
different from what he contributes each
month. Brent is plugged into the

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00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,400
community like no other officer I have
ever worked with. He not only has his

501
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,480
cell phone number ready for anyone that
may need his help, but he also answers

502
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:32,480
the call. But the fact that he has
delivered that quality of service for 14

503
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,560
years running with no diminishment and
no ceremony represents exactly the kind

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00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:42,319
of sustained commitment that law
enforcement agencies thrive on.

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00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:45,920
You know, that says an awful lot. It's
hard for me, you know, because he is my

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00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:49,839
son to, you know, ever really
acknowledge anything that he does

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00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:53,520
special because no matter what that
would be, somebody would go say, you

508
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,800
know, your daddy is the sheriff. I've
never heard him, you know. Now, he'll

509
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,520
tell you real quick, his daddy is the
sheriff, that's for sure. But he I've

510
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:06,400
never ever seen him use that anywhere.
I'm very fortunate to have two sons that

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00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:11,440
work with me and um my youngest son in
law school and he promises he's going to

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00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:16,319
the right side, not the dark side. So,
hopefully he'll be in the uh he'll be in

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00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:21,599
that office one day and uh we'll enjoy
what he does. When Brent was about three

514
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:25,359
and a half years old and I worked in a
hosky, I used to take him to Hardies in

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00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,800
the morning to meet his grandmom and
granddad. Uh,

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00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:35,280
and he commanded a presence even at
three and a half years old in Hardies.

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00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,880
Walked every table, knew everybody in
there, spoke to everybody, stole food

518
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:43,280
off their off of what they were eating.
And I know his grandmama and grand like,

519
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:49,040
"Oh my goodness, it's no telling what
he's going to be like when he grows up."

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00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:53,119
Um he was in a Jeep uh and I we lived
right beside Paul Terry. Paul Terry

521
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,400
lived in front of us and uh he was on
the road driving this little Jeep, but

522
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,880
he had Thank goodness it didn't run very
fast because he'd have probably not been

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00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:04,079
here today cuz he's kind of wide open.
But um Paul Terry stopped him and they

524
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:08,800
said, "I'd like to see your drive." He
had a lollipop in his mouth and both his

525
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,440
hands looked up at him. He said, "I
ain't got no driver's license." He

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00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:17,520
laughed. I laughed. But that's probably
not the first time he's been stopped.

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00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:23,680
hopefully. And uh it may not be the
last. That's exactly right. By Paul

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00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:27,200
Terry. Yes. But we I he a wealth of
knowledge. He works with some people

529
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:33,440
that are very very smart. Um in the
clerk's office. He's he's a part of the

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00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:36,880
drug court and u you know and and has a
heart for them. He wants to make sure

531
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:41,280
that you know things go the right way
and what happens is the right outcome.

532
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:45,359
He'll stick his nose in business that
sometimes I wish he never did, but you

533
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,960
know, it's the right place to be because
he thinks it's the right thing to do.

534
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:52,000
With a friend like that, I don't believe
you can go wrong. I And a law

535
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,880
enforcement officer, you can't find
anything better than that. That's for

536
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:01,520
sure. Um, I will tell you that if you
call him, he's coming,

537
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,560
you know, and get out of the way because
he'll be there for you and he's going to

538
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:08,560
do the job that he needs to do when he
gets there. Um, and as a friend, you

539
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,960
can't find a better one. You can call
him, he'll come. It doesn't make any

540
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,079
difference. Call him three o'clock in
the morning, five o'clock in the

541
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:17,920
morning, he'll be there. Now, my second
son will tell you if you call him, I'm

542
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,960
coming, but I might not be there in the
next 10 minutes. Might take me two or

543
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,240
three hours to get there. And my third
one to tell you, don't call me. You

544
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,760
might want to call somebody else cuz I
ain't no way in the world I can help

545
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:32,240
you. I don't know what it'll be. So, in
that respect, he's he's the top dog in

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00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,200
that in that position. I'm honored to be
able to stand here and say those things

547
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,160
about him. And I thank you. I think that
there's somebody else that, you know,

548
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,319
feels the same way about him. A lot of
people, one of the ladies back there

549
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:42,960
said, "What are you doing here this
morning?" I said, "We got a lot going

550
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,720
on." I said, "But Bren is getting
employed. Oh my god, I want to stay here

551
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,839
long enough to see that happen." So
anyway, somebody else knows you, too.

552
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:53,651
But it's an honor for me to be able to
give that to you. I'm proud of you. I

553
00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:55,671
love you and you take care of yourself.
[applause]

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00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:06,680
And here,
you got to give that back.

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00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:06,680
And there's your plaque. All right.

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00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,640
Thank you. Take that.

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00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,200
» Yes, sir.
>> Bobby. Bobby, before you dismiss

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00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:28,560
everybody,
there's a saying behind

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00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:32,720
every good man is a good woman. Well,
I'm gonna reverse that this morning

560
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:38,880
because I'm gonna tell Debbie,
behind a good woman's a good man. And

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00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:44,087
that's Max Dutton, former
board of commissioners, Dair County.

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00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,107
Max, stand up. We want to recognize Max.
[applause]

563
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:55,760
I had the honor of serving with Max for
a couple of years on this board. What a

564
00:46:53,200 --> 00:47:00,560
principal gentleman he is. And I can't
thank you enough, Max, for your service,

565
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:04,079
too. Bobby,
>> before we go to public comment, will

566
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:09,200
those of you that received a recognition
this morning please go out through this

567
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:13,400
door and get a picture? And I'll wait
just a second for the room to clear

568
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:29,920
Ladies [clears throat] and gentlemen,
now's the time that's been set aside for

569
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:33,760
public comment. If you have public
comment and you've signed up, I'll call

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00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,880
on you at the end of calling the list.
If you aren't on there, I'll ask if

571
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:40,480
anyone else hasn't. If so, raise your
hand. Uh, when you come to the podium,

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00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,319
please state your name and where you're
from. Please limit your comments to five

573
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,079
minutes. There's a green light on the
podium that will come on when your time

574
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,920
begins. There's a yellow light on the
podium that will come on uh when you

575
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:56,720
have about a minute left. And when the
red light comes on, you need to conclude

576
00:48:53,680 --> 00:49:01,920
your remarks. Uh if you're here to speak
to uh item 11, which is the public

577
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:06,880
hearing on a combined capital grant
application, please wait until that

578
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:12,200
agenda item to speak to that issue. Um
with that said, the first person on the

579
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,200
list is Lee Goldman.

580
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:20,800
» Welcome this morning, Lee.
>> Good morning. Like to welcome the

581
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:26,480
commissioners and thank you for taking
the time out to hear me this morning.

582
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Last year, I showed up
talking about the same thing. I don't

583
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,040
like the word anniversary on certain
events. Anniversaries are great for 250

584
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,359
years of the country, wedding
anniversaries, and other things, years

585
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,880
of service.
This year marks the 25th remembrance of

586
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:48,640
the events of 911.
I wear this uniform today after giving

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00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:52,000
it some thought of what I should wear
here today.

588
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:56,800
I wore this uniform to countless
funerals to people that I knew, to

589
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,800
people I didn't know, from the events
from New York, but also there were other

590
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:08,960
people that wore this type of uniform in
the Pentagon and over in Shanksville to

591
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:12,640
remember those people. Also,
this year is the fifth anniversary, I'm

592
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:19,680
sorry, I used the word I hate, the fifth
year of doing the 911 walk, the walk to

593
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:29,319
remember in Dair County. We started with
30 people. Last year we had 340.

594
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,319
I would love to see 500 people.

595
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,920
I'm trying to think where to go with
this. [snorts]

596
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,160
I don't like to write things down. I
like to speak from the heart. I've

597
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:47,680
watched this grow year after year and I
would like to see it continue to grow.

598
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,760
I don't want to see people forget,
but we seem to have done that in this

599
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:56,720
country.
I don't want to see our youth forget the

600
00:50:54,319 --> 00:51:01,599
events. I don't want to see the people
that are here forget those events or

601
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:08,000
people to tell other people that those
events never really happened. I am here

602
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:15,200
to invite the county, the people of Deer
County, the visitors, other counties,

603
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:21,040
school children,
everybody to attend this year's walk.

604
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:27,040
There'll be refreshments that are
donated by several different

605
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:33,559
stores, whether it be Stack High, New
York Bagels, Duck Donuts, Front Porch

606
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,559
Coffee, Target,

607
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:41,839
um, Food Line, and several others
that'll be supplying free food to

608
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:46,480
everybody. This year, we're opening up
signing in at 7:00.

609
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:50,240
uh because last year we did a little
later and I didn't realize how many

610
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:55,520
people were going to show up. So taking
that into account um we're going to

611
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,520
start at seven. There is also a separate
section for Dare County employees to

612
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,839
sign up so you can get your wellness
point.

613
00:52:01,839 --> 00:52:08,800
And if anybody hasn't had a chance to
listen to uh Betsy Robinson sing the

614
00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:13,520
national anthem, that in itself is a
reason to come to hear it. There are

615
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:19,280
other things that I do have in the works
I can't control, but I'm hoping they

616
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:22,880
fall into place. One being the weather.
I do recommend people dress

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00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:28,720
appropriately
and hydrate before, during, and after

618
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,720
the event. If you feel you cannot
complete the walk, that is fine. We will

619
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:39,720
have transportation to bring you back.
It's not a competition. It is the day of

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00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,720
nothing more than to remember.

621
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:48,720
That's all I really have on this matter.
Does anybody have any questions,

622
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,839
thoughts, comments?
I still got a minute and a half.

623
00:52:50,891 --> 00:52:56,720
[clears throat]
>> No, but thank you, Lee, for your

624
00:52:54,000 --> 00:53:00,000
spearheading this year after year. It's
uh commendable and can't thank you

625
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,640
enough for doing that.
>> Thank you. I would like to point out

626
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,160
that
>> start time of the walk because it's a

627
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:10,160
different time. It's not like nine on
the dot. No, the start time and the

628
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:15,680
reason we started everything at 7 is the
start time is 8:46. 8:46 is significant

629
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:21,520
because it was the time the first plane
struck the World Trade Center and the

630
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:26,559
events of that day unfolded.
Um,

631
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:33,599
we're looking at about 8:30 for the
national anthem followed by a prayer by

632
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:38,079
Cherry Wheeler, then lining up and then
starting the walk. Uh I will like to

633
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:43,200
just point out another event that will
be happening in October which will be

634
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:49,839
October 10th. It coincides with this. It
is the tunnels to tower run

635
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:53,680
and you can find that also either on
the flyers that I have or you can Google

636
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:58,240
that and it'll be showing up here. This
will be I believe the third year for

637
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:03,200
that event that starts in Kill Devil
Hills. I do have flyers for the events

638
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:07,680
if people would like that. And there's a
QR code. You can uh check out the

639
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:12,640
website, see where we started and where
we ended. I'm hoping that the photo that

640
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:18,800
we take at the top of the monument again
is too big for the lens. Uh last year it

641
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,280
was nice to see that. And five, four,
three, two, one. Thank you for your

642
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:24,612
time.
>> Thank you. [applause]

643
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,240
» Next is Nicole Hassel Wayne.

644
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,440
Welcome this morning.
>> Good morning, Mr. Chairman,

645
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:42,800
commissioners.
Thank you for allowing me this

646
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,000
opportunity to speak before this board
today.

647
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:50,720
I have been a resident of this county
for more than 20 years. I am and always

648
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:55,359
will be the incredibly proud mother of
Zane Thomas Hughes, who was murdered

649
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:59,760
last year here in Dair County. and I'm
also the mother of three other

650
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:03,599
phenomenal children. This morning, I am
asking this board to please listen

651
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:08,280
carefully to what the facts reveal
because serious questions about

652
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,280
accountability

653
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:14,880
and crime victim's rights violations by
the Der County District Attorney's

654
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:18,960
Office can no longer be ignored. This is
the second time I have stood before this

655
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:25,280
board to raise concerns about the
treatment of my family as crime victims.

656
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,680
I am back because those concerns have
not been resolved. The rights guaranteed

657
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:33,760
to us under North Carolina law continue
to be violated. A few of the most

658
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:38,480
disturbing things I have learned along
this journey

659
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:42,800
is my family is not the only family that
has been forced to fight for rights that

660
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:46,240
the law already guarantees. I have
spoken with and learned of other crime

661
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:51,440
victims whose rights have been
repeatedly infringed upon or ignored

662
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:56,079
altogether.
At some point, repeated failures stop

663
00:55:53,920 --> 00:56:01,760
looking accidental. They begin to look
systemic, and that is something that

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00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:06,160
this board should take very seriously.
I want to begin with discussing the

665
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:12,319
conduct of the Dair County District
Attorney's Office. Much of my concerns

666
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:16,960
stems from the way my family's rights
have been interpret interpreted,

667
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:20,720
communicated, and enforced. During the
most recent session of Superior Court,

668
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:25,359
the Honorable Judge WBLE said, and I
quote, um, I will tell you unequivocally

669
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,799
as the mother of a deceased victim, you
have the best prosecutor prosecuting

670
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:33,520
that case that I know of, and that is
Mr. Jeff Crudin. I greatly respect Judge

671
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,680
Wamble, but I strongly disagree with
that assertion, and I do not expect this

672
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:43,359
board to simply take my word for it.
The district attorney of Dair County

673
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:47,200
abuses his position, not simply through
isolated mistakes, but through a pattern

674
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:52,079
of conduct that I believe has gone
unchecked for far too long. In June of

675
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:56,480
this year, District Attorney Jeff Cruden
made false statements that his office

676
00:56:54,240 --> 00:57:00,640
had not yet received my son's autopsy
from the office of the chief medical

677
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:05,520
examiner and requested a continuence on
that basis. Then, approximately 2 and a

678
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:10,000
half hours after I spoke publicly at
this meeting on August 3rd, I received

679
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,720
an email from his office stating that
the autopsy had finally been received

680
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:18,799
with the copy attached. For months, I
possessed

681
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:25,520
for for months I possessed my own copy
from the OCME of my son's autopsy,

682
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:30,079
and I did not release it. As of
yesterday, I now have something more

683
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:34,000
significant than recordings or just
copies. Written confirmation directly

684
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,640
from the North Carolina Office of the
Chief Medical Examiner. According to the

685
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:42,880
OCME, its request log shows that Mr. Mr.
Crudin personally submitted a request

686
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:48,559
for records in Zayn's case through its
document portal. They further confirmed

687
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:54,160
that all reports requested by Mr. by Mr.
Crudin were released to him by email on

688
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:57,680
September 19th of 2025.
That was approximately nine months

689
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:04,200
before Mr. Crudin stood in superior
court and represented that his office

690
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,200
had not yet received Zayn's autopsy.

691
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:11,680
I want to be now I want to be precise.
OCM's email states that all reports Mr.

692
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:16,799
Crudin requested were released to him on
September 19th. The email itself does

693
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:20,960
not identify each individual report by
name. But what it does establish is that

694
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:25,839
Mr. Crudin requested records in Zayn's
case and that every report he requested

695
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:30,720
was provided to him by the OCME in
September of 2025. That fact, combined

696
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:35,440
with the representations later made in
court, raises an obvious and serious

697
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:40,079
question that deserves an answer. Over
the course of the last year, Mr. Crudin

698
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:44,119
has created a false narrative not only
about me, but my son,

699
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:52,240
one and one of which my conduct
supposedly threatens or interferes or

700
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:57,760
causes harm to the prosecution of the
people charged with murdering my son.

701
00:58:55,839 --> 00:59:01,520
It has been used as justification for
limiting my communication with his

702
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:06,880
office and refusing to enforce rights I
have repeatedly attempted to assert

703
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:10,960
under the Crime Victim's Rights Act.
I do not need to stand at this podium

704
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:15,359
and call anyone a liar. The records can
speak for themselves. Last Thursday, Mr.

705
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:20,720
Crudin put much of that narrative in
writing. I received an email from him

706
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,799
that I can make available to this court
in its entirety if you would like. A few

707
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:30,319
of the things
included in the email were my requests

708
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:35,680
for information for an unrelated case
that would hinder the prosecution of

709
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:40,640
those charged with my son's murder. He
also stated that an individual's rights

710
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,319
can be forfeit
I have to be quiet now.

711
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,000
» Go ahead, ma'am.
>> have to be forfeited or diminished when

712
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:52,079
their actions are supposedly detrimental
to the administration of justice. And

713
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:56,400
finally, he informed me that there will
be very little contact, if any, between

714
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,640
his office and me until Zayn's case goes
to trial in March of 2027.

715
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,920
He then wrote, "There will be no more
release of privileged information to the

716
01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:07,599
media like you did with your son's
juvenile case file, if I have any

717
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,760
control over it." That statement is
important because it is another example

718
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:16,559
of the problem I am describing. I did
not res release Zayn's juvenile case

719
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:21,040
file. Before Zayn died, I possessed a
copy of the state's discovery of

720
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:25,760
evidence evidence against him. Zayn was
a minor when he was charged and I was

721
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:31,520
provided this by the attorney I paid to
ret to represent him. That discovery is

722
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:36,160
where the limited material I later used
came from. The actual juvenile records

723
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:41,200
are entirely different. I have not
released any of those records. So when

724
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:46,160
Mr. Cudin states as fact that I released
my son's juvenile case file. That's

725
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:49,760
simply not what occurred.
The state's discovery provided to me by

726
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:53,599
Zayn's attorney before his death and
juvenile records

727
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:57,599
from the clerk's office are not the same
thing. And that distinction matters

728
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:03,280
because this allegation has become part
of much of the larger narrative. One

729
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:06,720
that is not been you not only one that
has been used not only to justify the

730
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,319
way I have been treated as a crime
victim, but to suggest that Mr. Mr.

731
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:15,520
Crudin somehow has the authority to
diminish, suspend, or affect me

732
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:19,440
effectively strip me of that status. I
have spent the last year listening to

733
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:24,559
and learning interpretations of the
North Carolina Crime Victim's Rights

734
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:29,359
Act, Article 46. The law defines who
qualifies as a victim. It identifies the

735
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:33,680
rights afforded to those victims and it
places affirmative obligations upon

736
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:37,440
prosecutors in the courts. Those rights
do not disappear because exercising them

737
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:42,079
while a prosecutor disagrees with the
victim or because someone decides that

738
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:46,400
only one family member
of a homicide victim should matter. The

739
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:50,240
very first right listed in the North
Carolina victim crime victim's right act

740
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:55,920
is to be treated with dignity and
respect. Me and my family have not been

741
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:59,760
treated with dignity and respect.
At Mr. Crudin's request, Zayn's

742
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:04,079
biological father was designated as the
primary point of contact for the family.

743
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:09,119
Yet that phrase does not appear anywhere
in article 46. The statute identifies

744
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:13,359
victims, family members, and individuals
entitled to assert a deceased per

745
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:18,000
victim's rights. It does not create a
separate legal category called point of

746
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,079
contact, quote unquote, that replaces
the rights of other qualifying family

747
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:26,559
members. More importantly, this
designation has not worked in practice.

748
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:30,559
Zayn's biological father has not been
actively involved in his life since he

749
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:35,040
was four years old. He now lives in
Missouri and I do not have a reliable

750
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:38,960
way of contacting him directly. Since he
was designated as the family's point of

751
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:42,720
contact, my family has not received
notifications from him regarding

752
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:47,280
hearings, releases, court dates, or
other developments in Zayn's case. So,

753
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,960
the question becomes, what purpose does
a point of contact serve if the people

754
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:55,359
who are actually entitled to the
information are not receiving or

755
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:59,680
receiving it? A procedural label should
never become a substitute for complying

756
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:03,280
with the law. and an administrative
phrase that does not exist in the

757
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:07,839
statute should not be transformed into a
mechanism for limiting rights that the

758
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:10,799
statute expressly provides. The last
thing that I would like to bring to this

759
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:14,720
board's attention is the way juvenile
justice is being administered here in

760
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:20,160
Dair County. I believe it needs a
serious examination and needs a complete

761
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:24,640
overhaul a complete overall hall in a
way it responds to juveniles who present

762
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:29,760
a repeated danger to themselves other
children in this community. This past

763
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:34,480
May, my 15-year-old son was threatened
by another juvenile to with a gun was

764
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:38,079
threatened to be shot by another
juvenile because the boys were

765
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:42,000
interested in the same girl. The other
juvenile sent my son of a picture of

766
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:48,880
himself
holding what appeared to be an AR-15.

767
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:53,680
» Nicole, we're way past time, but try to
try to up.

768
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:57,039
» I'm almost done, Sarah. Go fast. Um, my
son reported it to the school resource

769
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,640
officer and other juveniles were charged
with communicating threats. To my

770
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:04,880
knowledge, no search of that juvenile's
residence was ever conducted and the

771
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,960
weapon depicted in the photograph has
never been recovered.

772
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:12,799
Juvenile justice determined that the
appropriate response was a diversion

773
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:16,280
contract. His case was never brought
before a judge.

774
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:21,920
I believe that this community is
entitled to ask whether keeping that

775
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,359
case out of court adequately protected
anyone or whether we were once again

776
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:29,839
waiting for something irreversible to
happen before deciding the warning signs

777
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,960
were too serious enough to know that a
stronger intervention was necessary.

778
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,160
The severity and public safety issue is
bigger than any of us could know. I am

779
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:45,200
requesting that this board assist local
law enforcement with starting a safety

780
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:49,680
initiative to recover these illegal 3D
printed firearms and conversion kits

781
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:53,760
being manufactured by juveniles in Dare
County. Thank you so much.

782
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,559
» Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.
>> Next is Mitchell Baitman.

783
01:04:58,604 --> 01:05:01,280
[clears throat]
>> Welcome this morning, Mitchell.

784
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:07,280
» Good morning. Good morning,
commissioners, county manager Skyler.

785
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:11,760
Good to see all of you.
Uh I'm going to use this as a

786
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:18,559
recruitment bid for something that's on
your agenda later on this afternoon.

787
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:25,280
It's uh item uh 15 uh article number
one, the uh Bear County Joint Committee

788
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:30,440
uh advisory committee, nursing home
advisory committee.

789
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,440
uh

790
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:39,359
the residents in the two facilities that
we have here in Dair County, Peak and

791
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:44,400
Spring Arbor,
that's the one of the largest growing

792
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:49,760
groups of individuals in our county, the
the ones who often can't speak for

793
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:53,760
themselves. They don't all have family
members that live here that can

794
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,760
represent them either.
uh the general statutes of the state of

795
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:04,160
North Carolina established these
committees. While the the county had a

796
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:10,079
committee of nursing home advisory board
committee until 2020 at which point all

797
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:16,319
the members resigned.
You've had an open committee for almost

798
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:22,160
six years now without a single member on
it. And if you go in your packet to the

799
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:28,000
general statutes that are quoted there
on uh

800
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:32,880
page 127 in your package, you you'll see
that this this committee is not exactly

801
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:39,359
like some of the other ones that you
have. You know, you have the authority

802
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:44,319
to to uh recommend and put members on
the committee provided that they meet

803
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:51,280
the state's requirements.
Uh this is the only committee I think

804
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:57,440
the county has that requires 36 hours of
state level training including multiple

805
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:04,400
visits to each one of the facilities
uh and a a a letter an essay to

806
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:10,559
the committee on aging for why you want
to be on that committee.

807
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:17,920
Currently, there are two people in this
county who have met the eligibility to

808
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:22,720
serve on that committee since 2020. Two
people.

809
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,839
Two people. County commissioners. Until
you go through the training, you are not

810
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,720
eligible to serve on the committee. And
usually there's a county commissioner

811
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,640
appointed to every one of the boards
that you have. But you will not be

812
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:37,599
allowed to be appointed until you finish
the training. There are two people in

813
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:45,280
this county who are who have finished
the training to serve on these boards.

814
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:50,559
Mary Pendle and me.
That that's not a huge representation.

815
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:56,240
There's seven seven open seats.
It is opportunity this afternoon to fill

816
01:07:52,960 --> 01:08:00,720
two of those through through Mary's uh
uh training and and mine that we just

817
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:06,480
finished in the 1 of August. I don't
think I I don't think there's another

818
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:11,920
board that requires that level of uh
of state level training. So, uh, I I'd

819
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:16,960
like to, uh, I'd like to encourage
everyone everywhere to at least consider

820
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:22,239
going through this training because of
the importance that it represents in in

821
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:28,000
being an advisory and an oversight group
to to represent these people in the

822
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:32,880
community who who often mentally and
physically are unable to speak for

823
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:36,719
themselves. So, I'll give up the rest of
my minute and a half. Thank you.

824
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:40,520
» Thank you, Mitchell.
Next is Aya Havl.

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:52,400
» Welcome Aita.
>> Good morning commissioners, county

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:57,920
manager, everyone else on the deis. Um
I'm Aayita Havl and I live in Salvo. I

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have three comments today. The first
pertains to item 12 on your agenda, the

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joint resolution addressed to Governor
Stein and the Department of

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Transportation that requests a permanent
fairy toll waiver for locally registered

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vehicles. While I support the thought
and the sentiment behind the resolution,

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neither Governor Stein nor the
Department of Transportation have the

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01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:27,839
authority to grant a permanent fairy
toll waiver for locally registered

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01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:32,640
vehicles. That power rests with the
General Assembly, which passed the law

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01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:37,839
requiring tolling of all vehicles
without exception. I would like to

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01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:42,960
suggest that this resolution instead be
directed to all of the members of the

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general assembly.
My second comment involves flock cameras

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01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:54,400
or more generically automated license
plate readers. I do acknowledge that

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01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:59,360
these ALPRs can be extremely useful when
a child has been kidnapped or a suspect

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:05,120
has fled a crime scene and time is of
the essence. But there are far too many

840
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:09,840
reports of misuse of these cameras. And
human nature being what it is, the

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01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:14,640
temptation is great.
The following quote comes directly from

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:20,719
the website of the National Policing
Institute, which is an organization that

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01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:26,400
supports the use of these ALPRs.
Quote, "A state audit found federal

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01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:31,120
immigration authorities had gained
access to camera data in violation of

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state law.
Disciplinary records show officers using

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01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,960
these systems to track people they knew
personally.

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:46,560
Wrongful felony stops have been built on
misread plates.

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:52,640
Unresolved litigation is testing whether
warrantless queries of a camera network

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:56,960
amount to a fourth amendment search.
Close quotes.

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01:10:55,199 --> 01:11:01,120
In the slides for the upcoming
presentation, I noticed that there is

851
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:05,679
almost nothing mentioned about
oversight, transparency, or

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:10,560
accountability.
As an attorney and someone who values

853
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:15,840
our civil liberties, I'm deeply
concerned about how intrusive these

854
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:21,280
cameras are. Law enforcement personnel
have used the system to stalk

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:26,159
ex-romantic partners and to target
people they deem suspicious but who have

856
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:32,480
committed no crime. They have also
submitted vague or fake justifications

857
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:37,040
for the searches they have run.
As I said earlier, I do recognize the

858
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:43,120
benefit of having these cameras for
legitimate crimesolving needs, but there

859
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:49,920
should be limitations on the number of
cameras, their placement, how and when

860
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:56,159
they are accessed, when and with whom
the data is shared, how long the data is

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01:11:53,360 --> 01:12:01,760
retained, and when and how it is
disposed of. If Dear County and its

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01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:07,040
municipalities intend to keep these
cameras, I suggest that you provide

863
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:11,760
strict oversight and accountability for
them in the form of a civilian review

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01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:16,480
board.
People who support these ALPRs sometimes

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,520
say, "Well, if you're not doing anything
wrong, then you shouldn't mind the

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:24,400
surveillance."
I would repeat that back to the agencies

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01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:29,760
using the cameras. If you're not doing
anything wrong, then you won't mind

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01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:33,600
independent civilian oversight, audits,
and accountability.

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:39,120
There are civilian review boards across
the county, the country, reviewing these

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01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:43,760
cameras. I can think of no reason why
deer county should not have a civilian

871
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:49,360
review board as well if everything is
above board. And finally, my third

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:56,880
comment is I want to um specifically
thank commissioners Balance, Baitman,

873
01:12:52,880 --> 01:13:02,640
Ross, and Woodard for uh coming to the
public meeting that we had in uh Buckton

874
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:06,800
a few weeks ago um on the standing water
on Highway 12. It was informative and

875
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:12,040
useful and responsive to the community,
and I appreciate y'all being there.

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,040
Thank you.

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01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:18,440
» [applause]
>> Next is Miriam Rollin.

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:29,520
» Welcome this morning.
>> Thank you so much. Uh good morning

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01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:34,880
commissioners and Dair County residents.
I'm Miriam Roland and I wanted to

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01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:40,560
introduce myself. I'm Roland forward for
House District 1. I wanted to share with

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:45,280
you all uh and with our Dare County
online viewers a little bit about my

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01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:51,520
background as the newest candidate on
the ballot at the on the ballot in Dare

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01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:56,480
County. First of all, at my core, I care
deeply about people who have needs that

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:01,920
are not being met. And I also know how
the system works. I've been a fighter

885
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:07,120
for disadvantaged kids and families for
my 40 plus year career fighting in

886
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:12,480
Congress in state legislatures and in
the courts. While working full-time as

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:18,080
an advocate for vulnerable kids and
families, I put myself through law

888
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:24,000
school at night. And for 16 years, I was
a leader of a group called Fight Crime,

889
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:28,960
Invest in Kids, working with over uh
working to win over a billion dollars in

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01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:34,960
federal and state investments in proven
effective early childhood education,

891
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:40,560
afterchool programs, and voluntary home
visiting for atrisisk new moms. I did

892
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:47,440
that working on both sides of the aisle,
bringing the voices of 5,000 police

893
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:53,600
chiefs, sheriffs, and prosecutors to
support these crucial investments in our

894
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:59,760
children, youth, and families so we can
all have a better and safer future. Now,

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01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:05,199
in retirement with my wonderful husband,
Mike, in beautiful Dare County for the

896
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:09,199
last few years, I've been very active in
my party. I even ran for Duck Town

897
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:15,440
Council last year, coming up four vote
shy. Heartbreaking. Uh I thought my days

898
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:20,239
of seeking public office were over and I
was committed to continuing the work

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01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:25,520
needed to help elect candidates on the
November ballot. Then I found out that

900
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:30,719
our Democratic candidate for NC House
District 1 was dropping out of the race.

901
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:34,880
Remembering the famous quote, "be the
change you want to see in the world, I

902
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:39,280
officially became the Democratic
candidate for NC House District 1 in

903
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:44,880
early August and have been moving very
fast since then." Uh, time is very tight

904
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:50,239
between now and November 3rd. But I'm
not just doing this as an exercise in

905
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:55,199
democracy. I'm in it to win it. So, I've
got a web page rolling forward

906
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:59,840
fornc.com, a Facebook page rolling
forward for NC House1, ACTB Blue

907
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:05,280
account, rack cards, yard signs, and
I've spoken at events in five of the six

908
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:09,840
counties. Not bad for a few weeks work.
Um, I'm happy to talk with anyone about

909
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:16,199
why I'm running, why I think we can do
better. Reach out for more. Um, my

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01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:16,199
emails rolandforwardfornc1gmail.com.

911
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:20,920
My phone is 2524911946.

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01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:27,840
Mailing address PO Box 8197, Duck, North
Carolina 27949.

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01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:32,000
Thanks for listening and let's be in
touch and please vote on November 3rd.

914
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:38,280
Thanks so much.
>> Thank you.

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01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,280
» Next is Andrea O'Donnell.

916
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:44,600
» Good morning. I do have some sheets.

917
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:57,840
I'm Andrea O'Donnell of Kittyhawk, North
Carolina, the organizer of Deflock Dare.

918
01:16:54,159 --> 01:17:02,560
I took a vacation day today to be here.
And scheduling public comment for 9:00

919
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:07,440
a.m. on a weekday does kind of send a
message that public comment isn't

920
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:11,600
exactly
wanted necessarily. There are a lot of

921
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:15,679
people that that let me know that they
couldn't be here today because of that

922
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:20,080
timing. So, I wanted to add that I have
taken paid time off to be here. You've

923
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:24,480
likely seen the growing concern about
automated license plate readers. I'm not

924
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:28,880
here to rehash all of the talking
points. I'm here to give you facts and

925
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:35,199
one legal warning this board cannot
ignore. Dare County currently runs 48

926
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:40,560
static flock cameras across numerous
agencies, plus an unknown number of

927
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:46,640
patrol-mounted units. That gives us more
ALPR cameras per capita than Charlotte

928
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:52,480
and Raleigh combined.
These aren't simple plate readers. Each

929
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:58,400
capture is a highresolution cluster of
images detailing your plate and vehicle

930
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:04,159
characteristics feeding a searchable
record of where every driver in this

931
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:10,960
county goes. Created without a warrant,
without suspicion, and without consent.

932
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:17,600
a drag net.
In 1983, the Supreme Court ruled in the

933
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:25,440
United States versus Knots that tracking
one car on one trip with a single beeper

934
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:30,719
locator was constitutional.
But the justices explicitly warned that

935
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:37,360
dragnet type of law enforcement
practices involving 24-hour surveillance

936
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:44,000
of any citizen would raise different
constitutional questions entirely.

937
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:50,400
That warning was theoretical in 1983.
Today, it's Dare County's reality. This

938
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:59,360
isn't one beeper on one suspect. It's
aworked system logging everyone who

939
01:18:53,120 --> 01:19:05,040
drives on 158, 64, 12, 345, and our
residential streets. I'm asking you to

940
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:08,719
take that 40-year-old warning seriously
today.

941
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:13,199
Did you know that Flock's own sales
training materials, which was leaked

942
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:19,360
recently, quote, "A company consultant
instructing staff not to bother denying

943
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:24,239
that this is mass surveillance, but to
own the narrative by redirecting

944
01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:28,640
residents to audit logs instead of
consenting, instead of contesting the

945
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:33,760
label."
When the vendor selling you this system

946
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:37,760
privately admits that it what it
publicly avoids, this board should weigh

947
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:43,520
that admission heavier than any
marketing brochure. This isn't about

948
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:50,640
distrusting law enforcement. Officers
are human and humans misuse power. This

949
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:56,320
is not cynicism or paranoia.
That it's history. It's why the Fourth

950
01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:00,719
Amendment exists.
No officer could legally follow me every

951
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:05,440
day logging my movements without
probable cause.

952
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:11,280
Why should an AI powered camera network
be allowed to do exactly that? And safe

953
01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:17,040
and the safety case, it doesn't hold up.
FBI data shows cities running these

954
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:23,520
systems like Atlanta, which has a whole
huge live crime facility, have seen no

955
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:28,320
meaningful improvement in clearance
rates for serious crimes.

956
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:33,840
We're being asked to accept a permanent
drag net on every innocent driver in

957
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:38,159
exchange for a benefit that is not
showing up in the numbers.

958
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:44,159
You'll be hearing today from others
about court cases like Shattery Vus and

959
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:49,360
hopefully a full written ordinance is
being presented to ban ALPRs countywide.

960
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:53,199
I'm leaving you a tracking document
which you just received confirming

961
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:57,600
misuse cases, every contract paused,
canceled or abandoned by other

962
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:03,840
jurisdictions. Proof this concern is not
fringe. It's bipartisan and it's

963
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:08,800
growing. Our petition already has 750
signatures, which you have a copy of

964
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:13,360
from your constituents, visitors, and
that was done with very little leg work

965
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:19,360
on my part, those 750.
Please read the contract, Mr. Outton. I

966
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:24,000
want to make sure you read section 5.3
allowing flock to make their own

967
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:29,360
decisions about the sharing of the
information since you signed the

968
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:34,800
contract. Do the due diligence. Listen
to the people in this room and the

969
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:40,000
people online who can't be here. My job
as a citizen is to defend the

970
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:47,371
constitution. I'm asking you to do yours
as elected officials and ban LPRs in

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01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:47,371
Dare County. Thank you. [applause]

972
01:21:47,971 --> 01:21:49,991
» [cheering]

973
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:56,000
» Catherine,
>> what?

974
01:21:54,639 --> 01:22:00,639
» Katherine Heath.
>> There's actually 52 cameras now.

975
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:04,320
» 52. You guys put up more.
>> Sometimes it's

976
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:06,239
» What was What's Bobby? Who's next?
>> Katherine Heath.

977
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:09,920
» Pardon?
>> Katherine Heath. Thank you.

978
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:16,080
» Good morning.
>> Welcome, Miss Heath. And I have a copy

979
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:20,600
of the relevant portions of Marbury
versus Madison for all of you.

980
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:33,360
And all of you should have received uh
my emails last week and I hope you've

981
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:39,920
read them. And it should be clear that
I'm opposed to these cameras as the

982
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:45,520
system is as broad in scope as it is.
It is not the same as those static

983
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:49,719
license plate readers. It's covering
itself with that definition.

984
01:22:50,197 --> 01:22:52,217
» [clears throat]

985
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:58,560
» The men who wrote are the US
Constitution

986
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:04,000
and [clears throat] the Declaration of
Independence and the Bill of Rights

987
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:11,920
deliberated for years
to protect individual rights from

988
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:19,760
overbearing and overreaching government.
And now, are we now so ignorant of our

989
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:24,320
history and the founding documents
that define the highest law of the land

990
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:30,639
that we live in that we would so
willingly toss them aside for an

991
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:36,000
illusion of safety and security.
The surveillance system, barely beyond

992
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:41,199
infancy, has already been plagued with
abuses that should remind us all of the

993
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:47,120
reason the amendments to the
Constitution were written. Because men

994
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:51,840
are not angels.
And government and policing need

995
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:57,920
restraints.
Restraints that prevent the base human

996
01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:02,320
desires from prevailing.
That's why the Fourth Amendment was

997
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:06,480
written.
I highly doubt that a challenge to this

998
01:24:04,719 --> 01:24:10,960
surveillance would survive a
constitutional review in the Supreme

999
01:24:08,639 --> 01:24:15,440
Court.
I would suggest that you review the

1000
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:22,159
decision in Marbury versus versus
Madison and a more recent decision in

1001
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:28,400
Chatry versus United States which I sent
to you.

1002
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:35,040
and now and make the decision now
to stand on the right side of this

1003
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:42,320
violation of privacy
before you are forced to deal with the

1004
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:50,159
error of allowing it to continue.
Thank you. And just to quote Justice

1005
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:57,199
Jackson in the Chatry case, she said,
"Allowing government to access all of a

1006
01:24:53,280 --> 01:25:05,280
cell phone users movements is a virtual
pen pan panopticon which to scrutinize

1007
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:11,520
its citizens actions
and these cameras are the same."

1008
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:18,939
And I included a definition of
panopticon in the papers that I sent.

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01:25:16,919 --> 01:25:18,939
[applause]

1010
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,320
» Wescott.

1011
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:29,560
» Repeat that name.
>> Bonnie Wescott.

1012
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:35,199
» Welcome, Miss Wes.
>> Good morning. Morning, chairman.

1013
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:39,120
Morning, commissioners. Thank you for
the opportunity to speak today. Um, I'm

1014
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:44,480
just going to touch on something that I
was recently made aware of, um, yet is

1015
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:49,280
supposed to be taking place next month.
Um, I'm here to share my input and

1016
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:55,960
personal perspective regarding the
proposed relocation of the graves at the

1017
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,960
Dair County Regional Airport.

1018
01:25:56,239 --> 01:26:01,514
I didn't plan on crying today.
[clears throat]

1019
01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:12,960
This is a site
that holds a deeply personal

1020
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:19,144
significance for me as it contains my
own family's resting place.

1021
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:25,199
My lineage to this site starts
[sighs] with my father George Obadiah

1022
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:29,600
Wescuit Jr. His father George Obadiah
Wescuit senior,

1023
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:36,239
his father
George Rolley Weskit, his father Obadiah

1024
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:41,520
Jennings Weskuit.
And his father

1025
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:46,159
who is my great great great-grandfather,
John Wellington Wesk, who is buried on

1026
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:51,679
the airport property.
To provide some historical context,

1027
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:55,040
John Wellington
Westgate [snorts]

1028
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:59,440
donated an acre of the property that was
used to build the original Dair County

1029
01:26:56,639 --> 01:27:04,000
Courthouse in 1870, which stands as
arguably the oldest government building

1030
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:06,960
in our county.
His contributions [snorts]

1031
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:12,480
along with those of the others buried
there are foundational to the very

1032
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:16,719
identity of this community.
These are not merely anonymous unmarked

1033
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:21,400
graves
or just obstacles at an airport.

1034
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:33,280
These are local historical figures who
shaped Reno Island and Dair County. They

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01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:37,920
deserve to be honored and protected as
permanent designated historical site

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01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,639
right where they are rather than being
exumed and relocated.

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01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:46,600
» [snorts]
>> Sorry.

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01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:54,960
Also buried in the cemetery [snorts]
are John Thomas Daniels Senior and Mary

1039
01:27:52,080 --> 01:28:00,015
E. Wesket. They are the parents of John
Thomas Daniels Jr. who was a US

1040
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:05,040
life-saving service surfman who snapped
[snorts] the iconic and world famous

1041
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:09,040
photograph of the Wright brothers very
first powered flight in 1903 which took

1042
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,440
place right down the road from where we
are right now.

1043
01:28:10,495 --> 01:28:15,920
» [snorts]
>> The lineage of the individuals in this

1044
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:22,000
graveyard is directly woven into the
birth of aviation and the global history

1045
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:26,960
of flight as we know it. Again, these
are not just people we're talking about.

1046
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:29,520
These are local historical figures and
they should be respected as such.

1047
01:28:29,491 --> 01:28:34,320
» [snorts]
>> Instead of exuming and relocating these

1048
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:39,199
remains, this area should be formally
designated [snorts] and protected as a

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01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:44,800
historical site for our island and our
county. I'm confident that no one in

1050
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:50,480
this room would be comfortable with the
idea of their own ancestors being

1051
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:55,520
disturbed centuries centuries after
their passing.

1052
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:59,679
Logistically and ethically, there is no
dignified way to relocate remains that

1053
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:03,920
have been at rest for hundreds of years.
We do not know their structural

1054
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:09,840
integrity
or the conditions of the caskets. After

1055
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:14,639
centuries in the ground, [snorts] it is
highly improbable that these structures

1056
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:20,120
can be excavated intact, [snorts] which
risks severe and disrespectful damage to

1057
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,120
the deceased.

1058
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:29,520
I urge you to please reconsider or
postpone these plans. I [snorts] along

1059
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:34,320
with other members of the Westgate
family are open to a discussion and a

1060
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:38,000
viable solution
with [snorts] the airport as well as the

1061
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:41,760
county.
We owe it to our island's history and

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01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:48,092
these individuals,
my family, to let them rest in eternal

1063
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:50,112
peace. Thank you.
>> [applause]

1064
01:29:55,120 --> 01:30:01,480
» Matthew, is it SARS? I'm sorry, I can't
read your writing.

1065
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:01,480
» Yeah.

1066
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:07,280
» Welcome this morning.
>> Good morning. I am Matthew SCS. I'm a

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01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:10,639
resident of Southern Shores. Uh, and I'm
here on PTO today to join the chorus of

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01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,480
voices expressing their concerns with
Dair County's use of ALPR cameras. I'm

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01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:17,360
calling for the cancellation of Dair
County's contract with Flock, the

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01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:22,080
removal of these cameras, and a
moratorium on all ALPR technologies in

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01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:26,080
Dare County. As another Banks local, I
greatly value my privacy. And as as I

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01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:31,120
can assure you, anyone who can stand the
isolation of an OBX winter does.

1073
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:34,560
And as a taxpaying, law-abiding citizen
of Dair County, I have to say I despise

1074
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:38,960
being under constant drag net
surveillance anytime I go anywhere in my

1075
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:42,800
car. Supporters will claim that ALPR
cameras enhance public safety. But Dair

1076
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:47,280
County already has a significantly lower
violent crime rate per per capita than

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01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:50,800
the North Carolina state average, a
trend which has held since the prior of

1078
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:54,080
the prior to the installation of these
cameras. Is our reward for this good

1079
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:57,600
behavior uh becoming one of the most
highly surveiled counties in North

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01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:00,560
Carolina? The only evidence I've seen
for these cameras being used to solve

1081
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:04,159
crimes in our communities are police
departments posting on Facebook to find

1082
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:09,040
people who have attempted to vandalize
these surveillance devices. Why should

1083
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:13,040
I, as a taxpayer, uh, pay for a device
whose only us is to solve problems it

1084
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:16,960
creates? Nationwide, the story is the
same. In fact, if anything, they make us

1085
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:20,960
less safe. You have to have your head in
the sand to ignore the countless

1086
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:24,560
examples of ALPR technologies falsely
implicating innocent people through

1087
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:29,199
misidentification and being abused by
law enforcement and flock employees to

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01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:33,199
spy on private citizens. So, I ask
again, why would I want my tax dollars

1089
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:36,480
to pay for these cameras?
Keeping to the nationwide frame of

1090
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,719
reference, these technologies are hugely
unpopular across the country and across

1091
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:44,000
political ideologies. From Los Angeles
to Texas, communities and state

1092
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:48,719
governments are cancelling their
contract with Flock and banning these

1093
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:53,198
ALPR technologies. Let me repeat that.
California and Texas agree on this

1094
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:56,159
issue.
[laughter]

1095
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,760
Why then would tourists who are looking
to relax and enjoy their summer vacation

1096
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:03,760
choose to come to our little ponopticon?
I can think of few things less relaxing

1097
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:08,159
than big brother tracking my every move.
As backlash against these ALPR cameras

1098
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:12,239
continues to grow, I can think uh it
will no doubt impact tourism to Dare

1099
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:16,000
County, which is our economic backbone.
In conclusion, these cameras do not make

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01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:19,840
us safer. As demonstrated today, they
are despised by locals and they are

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01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:23,440
detriments to our local economy. Dare
County Board of Commissioners, I call on

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01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,658
you to defluck Dare County immediately.
Thank you, [applause]

1103
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,553
» Andrea Wendle. [applause]

1104
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:45,360
» Uh, good morning. Uh,
>> Bobby,

1105
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,440
» you're sorry. Andrea Wendle.
>> Yes.

1106
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:52,480
» Welcome, Miss Wendle.
>> Good morning. Um, I am proud to live in

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:55,280
the town of Kittyhawk that does not have
any flock cameras.

1108
01:32:54,769 --> 01:32:59,360
[laughter and gasps]
>> How [clears throat] do you manage?

1109
01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:04,639
» I don't know. Anyway,
townwise, I mean, personal businesses,

1110
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:12,080
whatever. Um, and I don't think I could
say anything more than that has all been

1111
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:20,000
eloquently said by previous um,
public commenters. Um I do agree that

1112
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:23,400
it's a slippery slope and what little
bit of

1113
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:34,400
u privacy that we have in this world
should be held on to and we can't just

1114
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:40,880
say no flock it's no any surveillance
because it's it just continues and the

1115
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:47,120
reason why I was able to come here this
morning to comment is Because my

1116
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:51,280
daughter, who is 15 and is at first
flight high school, normally doesn't

1117
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:56,320
have first period class. She has an
online class. She went to school early

1118
01:33:54,159 --> 01:34:01,840
for first period this morning so I could
make the meeting because she felt it was

1119
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:07,475
important that I come to represent
because she sees the importance of that.

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01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,495
So that is my time. Thank you.
[applause]

1121
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,880
Sha Clark.

1122
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:23,199
» Welcome, Mr. Clark.
>> Thank you.

1123
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:28,480
» Good morning, Mr. Chairman and members
of the board. Um, my name is Taylor

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01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:32,000
Clark, a resident of Wes and Dare
County.

1125
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:36,639
Local reporting shows that nearly 50
flock safety license plate readers

1126
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:40,159
across this county, which as iterated
earlier is one of the most densest

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01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:45,040
deployments per capita in North
Carolina.

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01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:49,920
These cameras from a private company
record vehicles and feed the data into a

1129
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:55,440
searchable network. And most of us were
never informed or asked before they went

1130
01:34:52,320 --> 01:35:00,480
up. I have three questions that still
lack clear answers. perhaps will be

1131
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:05,840
answered today in the presentation.
How do how much do these systems cost

1132
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:10,159
taxpayers each year?
Where does the money come from, a grant

1133
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:15,520
or otherwise,
and which officials voted to approve

1134
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:20,480
this contract,
and under what open process?

1135
01:35:18,639 --> 01:35:26,320
Local law enforcement has said that
these cameras take point in time photos

1136
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:31,040
of plates and vehicle details and store
the data for only 30 days, require a

1137
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:36,480
case number for searches, and audit
these searches. A pamphlet seemingly

1138
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:41,760
provided by Flock Safety itself that is
now posted on a county website makes

1139
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:46,400
similar claims, calls privacy concerns
myths

1140
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:51,040
and states that Flock does not sell
customer data or compile it into a

1141
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:57,040
national a national database that these
community own that the community owns uh

1142
01:35:54,159 --> 01:36:01,280
the data 100% and only the local agency
decides who to share it with. But in

1143
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:06,159
practice, Flock operates a national
network. Local departments, including

1144
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:10,080
the sheriff's office here, have stated
that they share data with other state

1145
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:14,320
and federal agencies on a case-byase
basis.

1146
01:36:11,679 --> 01:36:20,080
Once sharing is enabled, uh, plate data
collected here can be searched by

1147
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:23,840
agencies well beyond our county. Even
though the cameras take only point-in-

1148
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:28,639
time images and do not continuously
track vehicles, a dense network of them

1149
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:33,440
will allow reconstruction of movements
over time.

1150
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:37,840
The Supreme Court in Carpenter versus
the United States held that detailed

1151
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:43,920
location tracking can violate the Fourth
Amendment. Courts are not uniform in

1152
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:50,560
these this in this decision yet,
although Flock seems to state that it

1153
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:54,719
is. um as well as a a federal case
called Smith versus the city of uh

1154
01:36:52,400 --> 01:37:00,080
Norfolk,
which challenges dense networks of

1155
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:04,080
license plate readers uh requiring a
warrant is still on appeal in the Fourth

1156
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:11,520
Circuit. And as I'm sure you're aware,
the Fourth Circuit is also

1157
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:16,080
what uh covers North Carolina. So the
constitutional questions remain

1158
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:22,800
unsettled. Supporters often point to
these u systems catching stolen cars,

1159
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:29,360
but these AI systems are not infallible.
Uh in Toledo, Ohio in 2024, a flock

1160
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:35,040
camera misread just one digit on a man's
license plate and flagged it as stolen.

1161
01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:40,719
Brandon Upurch was stopped at gunpoint,
bitten by a police dog, detained, and

1162
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:46,719
charged. The charges were later dropped,
and he settled a lawsuit for $35,000.

1163
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:50,719
Similar errors have put other innocent
people at risk. Officers in other places

1164
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:58,080
have also misused the system for
personal reasons, including stalking.

1165
01:37:54,000 --> 01:38:04,239
Um, but one of my major personal
concerns is that we are outsourcing core

1166
01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:11,679
investigative work to a private
multi-billion dollar company. Continuing

1167
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:16,400
to expand these systems risks making our
local police dependent on private

1168
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:21,440
vendors.
Uh once once the departments rely on

1169
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:26,960
these private companies proprietary
cameras, software and national network

1170
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:33,920
for leads and evidence, that capability
becomes harder to replace

1171
01:38:29,679 --> 01:38:39,360
and they're potentially fully control
even locally. Uh we did not ask for this

1172
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:44,080
network. Public safety matters, but so
do privacy, transparency, accuracy, and

1173
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:50,239
accountability to the people of Der
County. So today, I urge this board to

1174
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:58,159
demand at least a full public accounting
of the costs, the contract, the votes,

1175
01:38:55,440 --> 01:39:03,199
and data sharing policies.
um and to pause any expansion

1176
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:07,468
until further resident uh until
residents have been meaningfully heard.

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01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:09,488
Thank you,
[applause]

1178
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:14,600
Morgan.

1179
01:39:22,533 --> 01:39:27,840
[clears throat]
>> Welcome, Miss Morgan.

1180
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:31,920
» Hey, should have more coffee.
Okay.

1181
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:35,199
Well, I'm not here to speak about the
flock cameras, but I and I wasn't going

1182
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:40,480
to say anything until I heard Miss
Wescott speak. I do want to That was

1183
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:44,800
emotional. I think that, you know,
moving those graves is just wrong. So, I

1184
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:49,119
just want to jump on that. But I am
here. My name is Katie Morgan and I'm

1185
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:54,400
here today to voice my strong opposition
to the pennies for parks tax increase

1186
01:39:52,480 --> 01:40:00,719
that will be on the November on our
November ballot. And I have to ask this.

1187
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:05,040
Isn't this an all Republican board of
commissioners?

1188
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:10,560
Then show us what fiscal responsibility
looks like. Budget the money you already

1189
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:17,040
have. I see wasteful and unnecessary
spending by this county all the time.

1190
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:22,400
I'm appalled that $20,000
has been set aside to convince us

1191
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:28,159
taxpayers to support raising our own
taxes. Think about that.

1192
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:34,880
Just think about that. Y'all are using
our tax dollars to convince us to give

1193
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:39,679
you more tax dollars. That's wild to me.
And then there's the $400,000

1194
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:44,639
being given to the DAR Housing
Foundation to help with startup costs

1195
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:51,040
for its nonprofit.
a nonprofit, mind you, that was created

1196
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:55,840
by many of the same exact people who
were involved in trying to address our

1197
01:40:53,119 --> 01:41:01,119
housing crisis with state funding.
Funding that, as I understand it,

1198
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:06,000
ultimately had to be sent back because
they couldn't figure out how to use it.

1199
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:12,080
But here we are still throwing money at
a sinking ship. And for what? And

1200
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:16,880
seriously, I can't I can't stomach it
when I think about it. I truly can't.

1201
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:22,480
Here is your answer to the housing
problem. Pay your own employees more and

1202
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:27,679
let local businesses figure it out for
themselves. The county government is not

1203
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:33,040
responsible for providing housing.
Period. We can we do need parks and

1204
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:36,800
wreck improvements, but we don't need
higher taxes to do it. We need better

1205
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:42,239
budgeting.
>> I urge everyone to vote no in November

1206
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,280
on that tax increase. And it's not that
I'm not interested in the rest of this

1207
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:49,199
meeting, but we will be leaving because
I'm very proud of my four-year-old for

1208
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:52,159
hanging out this entire time. And she
told me right before I came up here, she

1209
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:56,515
had to use the bathroom. So, thank you
for your time.

1210
01:41:54,495 --> 01:41:56,515
[applause]

1211
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,800
» Next is John Amsbury.

1212
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:11,679
» Welcome, Mr. Ansbury.
>> Good morning, Mr. chairman,

1213
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:15,360
commissioners, county manager, members
of law enforcement, distinguished

1214
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:18,800
guests, and fellow citizens. My name is
John Msbury, a resident of Mans Harbor,

1215
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:22,560
and thank you for the opportunity to
speak this morning. First, I'd like to

1216
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:26,320
start with this is not an argument
against law enforcement. I will be

1217
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:30,719
touching on the flot cameras. We all
want effective tools to solve crimes and

1218
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:35,360
protect our community. My concern is a
simple principle. When government power

1219
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:38,719
carries significant potential for abuse,
it deserves the highest level of public

1220
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:42,400
scrutiny.
Flock advertises license plate

1221
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:46,560
recognition and AI assisted searching.
Those capabilities may assist

1222
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:51,199
investigators, of course. However, my
concern extends beyond license plates

1223
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:54,239
alone. Publicly available flock patents
describe much broader technical

1224
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:57,679
capabilities than those advertised or
conveyed to us by members of law

1225
01:42:55,600 --> 01:43:01,119
enforcement. This alone raises
legitimate questions about how these

1226
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:05,920
technologies may evolve, what
information they be may be capable of

1227
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:08,719
collecting or aggregating over time. As
an intelligence analyst, I can

1228
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:12,560
personally attest that a long-term
record of a person's movement can reveal

1229
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:16,719
where they worship, where they seek
medical care, who they associate with,

1230
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:20,719
their political affiliations, where they
work, what time they sleep, where they

1231
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:24,880
spend their private lives.
And that's not just location data.

1232
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:28,080
Furthermore, these data sets also feed
into a larger system known as Palunteer,

1233
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:32,400
which I can explain to you in greater
detail at a later time.

1234
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:35,840
The broader trend raises concerns about
network surveillance and

1235
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:38,639
crossjurisdictional data sharing when
information collected here in Dare

1236
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:42,800
County may become accessible beyond our
county and citizens deserve to know who

1237
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:47,440
has access under what authority, how
long the data is retained, and what

1238
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:51,520
safeguards exist to prevent misuse.
Unfortunately, documented cases across

1239
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:55,840
the country have shown surveillance
systems can and have been improperly

1240
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:59,520
accessed for personal reasons by members
of law enforcement. Now, I'm not

1241
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:04,080
suggesting every officer would misuse
these tools, but what I am saying is

1242
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:10,159
good public policy definitely assumes
the possibility for abuse and build

1243
01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:13,760
safeguards uh accordingly. This is
ultimately a matter of public trust and

1244
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:17,520
the sheriff serves the people of Dair
County and this board serves the people

1245
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:22,239
of Der County. Both are accountable to
voters and a public surveillance vendor

1246
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:25,280
is not.
Given that flock safety is under

1247
01:44:23,679 --> 01:44:28,639
congressional investigation and
communities across this state to include

1248
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:35,040
Greenville, Davidson County, and
Asheville uh as well as this country

1249
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:39,119
um are rethinking similar programs and I
ask this board to exercise the same

1250
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:42,000
caution. Therefore, I respectfully ask
this board to terminate the county's

1251
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:46,000
participation in this flock program
under the uh until the conclusion of the

1252
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:48,960
congressional investigation. If the
board is not prepared to do so today, I

1253
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:53,520
respectfully request that you
immediately suspend the program pending

1254
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:56,560
an independent third-party audit.
That audit should be conducted by an

1255
01:44:55,119 --> 01:45:00,239
organization with no financial or
contractual obligations to the state,

1256
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:04,800
county, or surveillance vendor chosen
through a transparent public process.

1257
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:08,880
The scope should include how the system
has been used, whether searches follow

1258
01:45:06,719 --> 01:45:11,840
county policy and applicable law, who
accessed the data, and whether the

1259
01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:16,560
public got complete and accurate
information beforehand.

1260
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:20,159
Additionally, that audit should be
approved publicly by the board and the

1261
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:25,119
final report released to the public to
the fullest extent permitted by law.

1262
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:29,600
I also asked this board to consider the
fiscal responsibility. These systems are

1263
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:33,840
not one-time purchases. They require
ongoing subscription fees, maintenance,

1264
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,920
and future expenditures. And before
committing additional taxpayer dollars,

1265
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:42,239
citizens deserve a full accounting of
the total costs and an honest comparison

1266
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:45,920
of whether those same resources can
provide greater public safety if

1267
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:49,360
invested elsewhere.
Our constitutional rights should not

1268
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:52,239
grow weaker as technology grows
stronger.

1269
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:56,000
The fourth amendment to the United
States Constitution and Article One,

1270
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:59,600
particularly section 20 of the North
Carolina Constitution,

1271
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:03,520
exists to place limits on government
power. Now, section 20 of the article

1272
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:08,320
one of North Carolina constitution
covers warrants. None of these cameras

1273
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:13,360
require warrants.
Good government asks not only can we do

1274
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:17,360
something, but should we do it? And that
question falls squarely within your

1275
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:20,159
duties as commissioners. Finally, please
understand that we are here today

1276
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:22,960
exercising one of our most fundamental
constitutional rights, the right to

1277
01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:28,719
petition our government for the red
address of grievances. We're doing so

1278
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:32,159
peacefully and respectfully because we
believe these concerns are shared by

1279
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:35,040
many members of this community. If the
people of Dare County believe their

1280
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:39,199
concerns are not being addressed, our
constitutional system provides peaceful

1281
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:46,029
and democratic means for civic
participation and the ballot box. Thank

1282
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:46,029
you very much for your time. [applause]

1283
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:54,480
That's everyone who signed up. Would
anyone else like to speak at public

1284
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:58,239
comment? Yes, ma'am.
Please state your name and where you're

1285
01:46:55,920 --> 01:47:01,600
from.
>> What's up, buttercups? My name is

1286
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:05,600
Melanie Bortser and I'm living in Kill
Double Hills. I'm here to kill the devil

1287
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:09,679
today, hopefully with y'all doing what
you're doing. But I'm a mom of three

1288
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:13,840
kids. I'm a business owner in um our
community. And I'm blown away that you

1289
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:18,000
all signed up for something and you
didn't ask. And I kind of want to know

1290
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:23,280
like there was a question back here. He
wanted to know all the different He

1291
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:26,400
wants like to know what's going on
behind the flock cameras, but I kind of

1292
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:31,520
want to know what's lining y'all's
pockets to have made that decision in

1293
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:35,920
the first place. I want to know why no
none of us were asked to be permanently

1294
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:40,719
surveiled. I want to know why we're
living in America and it feels like

1295
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:45,600
China. I want to know
how you guys can guarantee me that my

1296
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:49,920
children are not being stalked by
stalkers because they want to go on a

1297
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:55,920
walk. They want to walk down the bike
path in Kill Devil Hills that has flock

1298
01:47:52,480 --> 01:48:00,480
cameras watching flock cameras. [gasps]
What is What is happening? Why do we

1299
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:06,159
have cameras watching cameras? Because
you guys do know that when tyranny

1300
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:11,280
becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. And
these citizens in this community have

1301
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:17,440
stood back and watched you all abuse
your power. And we have done it the

1302
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:22,639
democratic way of showing up to speak
and to hold you all accountable. But the

1303
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:27,760
time is drawing near to find out that we
are more flocked than freaking Raleigh

1304
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:33,920
and Charlotte. I didn't know that, but I
sure as crap know that our crime rates

1305
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:37,440
are like nothing. Everybody in this
community pretty much treats everybody

1306
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:43,040
else like family. There might be like
what 1 to 5% bad people. And the stories

1307
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:47,360
I see go by on Facebook, the worst thing
I saw last week was somebody embezzled

1308
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:53,040
$2,000.
That's what you all got to report on.

1309
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:58,560
And you've got you've got police force
for what? 450,000 people all year long.

1310
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:04,080
That's why when someone gets pulled
over, three police show up to the

1311
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:07,440
pullover. Not just one. You got a crowd.
>> Yeah. That's our tax dollars working

1312
01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:10,560
right there. Why do we got to pay?
What's What can someone do the math? I

1313
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:15,040
didn't even bring my phone in here
today. What is $3,500, which is

1314
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:20,159
supposedly the amount that each flock
camera costs just to install. What is

1315
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:23,760
$3500 times 52? Because that's what you
took out of Deer County pockets to put

1316
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:28,480
these count cameras up. And then I know
that y'all are on a subscription service

1317
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:32,639
cuz we own nothing. and we will be happy
and be seen as criminals. Like I treat

1318
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:35,760
people as family when I walk down the
street. Y'all's flock system treats us

1319
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:39,119
like criminals like we're doing
something wrong. And all of us are out

1320
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:43,600
here just trying to live our lives.
We're trying to participate in society

1321
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:46,480
and do good societal things. And y'all
want to call us criminals and track us

1322
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:50,480
from the moment we wake up in the
morning until the moment we go to sleep

1323
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:55,600
at night. And I can tell you what, I'm
done. I am done. I spoke in Killvil

1324
01:49:52,960 --> 01:50:00,320
Hills. I'm speaking here and I'm gonna
call to action for the folks in Wanches,

1325
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:05,040
Man's Harbor, Kuruck County, them boys
are waiting with their sawzalls. And if

1326
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:09,600
you want to take these cameras down now
and save yourself the funding, what's a

1327
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:13,360
sawzall? That's how these people are
removing the cameras. They are sawing

1328
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:17,760
them off and dragging them out and
they're gone. And I want to bring to the

1329
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:21,119
record all of the gold, all of the
copper, all of the things inside those

1330
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:25,199
flock cameras, they're dismantling them
and selling them for profit. So, if you

1331
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:30,800
guys want to get your fund or no, wait,
let's rephrase. If we want to get our

1332
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:36,639
funding back from the flock corporation
that you all signed us up for, I suggest

1333
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:40,880
you all take them down, get y'all's
refund. I hope you saved your receipts.

1334
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:46,080
I don't know what you're doing signing
contracts, but I hope that you all get

1335
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:49,040
your receipts because them boys are
going to be taking them down and they're

1336
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:54,400
just waiting. They're waiting for the
democratic process to happen. So, I

1337
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:59,040
encourage you guys to take some action.
I also encourage you to not pick up

1338
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:02,960
hundreds years old dead bodies. Like,
what are you all doing? This is what

1339
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:06,560
we're here to talk about. I took time
out of my day. My kids waiting in the

1340
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:12,320
car with our puppy so that I can come
here and make sure that our voices are

1341
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:18,159
heard. So, once again, when tyranny
becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. And

1342
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:24,000
I ask everybody to stand up and do
something about this and say no effing

1343
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:27,627
more. Get the flock out of here. Thank
you all. Thank you all for being here.

1344
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:30,920
We appreciate you. Have a
[applause and cheering] great day.

1345
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:36,199
» Yes, sir.

1346
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:42,000
» Apparently, you've got to sign up to
speak. I didn't realize that.

1347
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,000
» What's your name?
>> Andrew Jenkins.

1348
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:50,080
» Thank you, Mr. Jenkins.
>> Uh, you bet. I am a resident of uh Mano

1349
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:55,360
and I've just come to speak just a
moment about the the flock situation.

1350
01:51:52,480 --> 01:52:00,560
I'm a 17-year federal employee. I've got
about 32 years of both public and

1351
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:06,480
private service. I've served in the Af
in Afghanistan. Uh so I've got a little

1352
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:11,360
bit little bit of skin in the game and
I'm not just uh yelling at the screen

1353
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:15,599
watching YouTube. Uh so the the flock
situation obviously we've got a lot of

1354
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:20,159
people here who are wellversed on it and
I won't reiterate a lot of their points

1355
01:52:17,599 --> 01:52:23,920
but if you uh
the the first thing to mention is that

1356
01:52:22,239 --> 01:52:28,400
we're all in support of law enforcement
and actually having a a safe community.

1357
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:34,880
We all deserve to be safe which is what
the the uh the brochure says but we all

1358
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:39,440
deserve our privacy as well that's in uh
with respect to our constitutional

1359
01:52:36,480 --> 01:52:43,920
rights. But uh let me just mention a few
things that weren't uh brought up

1360
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:49,440
before. One of those is that uh these
flock cameras are uh leaning forward in

1361
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:52,880
the the AI technology. So there's
predictive technologies that are

1362
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:59,360
installed in the cameras. And what those
what that does predictive technology is

1363
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:04,960
not just um reactive to crime, it's
predictive to crime. So if there's uh a

1364
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:12,639
situation where it's going to learn
habits and situations and uh mannerisms

1365
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:16,639
and uh it it might actually be able to
determine that you will create or will

1366
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:21,760
commit a crime rather than you have
committed a crime. So predictive

1367
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:28,560
technology is part of the uh part of the
design. So trying to put guard rails,

1368
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:35,920
controls, security on these cameras is
impossible. uh what what that's how

1369
01:53:31,599 --> 01:53:40,639
they're designed. So the um the ar
architectural reality is that the system

1370
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:45,440
cannot be reformed. Uh you'll hear
proposals for local policy compromises,

1371
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:49,520
shorter data retention periods, inter
agency sharing restrictions or strict

1372
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:52,960
use policies. These proposals
misunderstand the fundamental

1373
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:57,280
architecture of the product. Mass
surveillance is not an accidental side

1374
01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:03,599
effect of the Flock platform. it is the
business model and the core technical

1375
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:09,280
design. So, it's a Trojan horse. Uh it's
a creeping menace. And if we want to

1376
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:15,199
have a community that's uh we we all
have our privacy and our our our rights,

1377
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:19,894
I I'm not even saying to do a review.
I'm just saying to reject it and go with

1378
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:23,760
something else.
[applause]

1379
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:28,480
Um so, I I I just appreciate your time
and I appreciate the community's time.

1380
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:35,040
Uh I I think that uh it's a worthwhile
cause and um one of the things is that

1381
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:38,320
we're no one's making these decisions.
We're not that's why it's a Trojan horse

1382
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:41,920
because you're going to see down the
road if you hold it up against the

1383
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:46,159
Constitution and through the Supreme
Court these things are going to start to

1384
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:49,679
get rolled back. Um you are seeing a lot
of things get rolled back right now

1385
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:54,080
specifically in Florida which wasn't
mentioned as well. They're they're

1386
01:54:51,199 --> 01:55:00,000
rejecting it statewide. So, I would just
encourage a uh just a little bit of

1387
01:54:56,719 --> 01:55:03,124
insight and and uh research. Thank you
for your time.

1388
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:07,679
» Thank you, sir.
[applause]

1389
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:12,199
» Right behind you first.
>> Did you?

1390
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,199
» Yes, sir.

1391
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:22,960
» My name is Charlie Parker. Uh today I
was ultimately surprised when I walked

1392
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:29,760
in. I forgot to sign in because there
were a number of people in line waiting

1393
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:37,280
to come today. That's unusual. Um Bob,
you brought up 911 and Chief, like prior

1394
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:44,639
years, I will be there. 911 is personal
to me. My classmate Brian McGee never

1395
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:50,880
came home. 12 other people who graduated
from my high school never came home.

1396
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:56,719
And for you folks who have never seen or
been to the Twin Towers, you have no

1397
01:55:53,679 --> 01:56:01,040
idea of the scope of how big they were.
If you were fishing 40 miles off

1398
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:07,440
Manhattan on a clear day, you could see
the tops of the towers. One day, a

1399
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:12,320
rainy, miserable, cold day, I was uh
volunteered by my wife to be one of the

1400
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:16,239
drivers of her Girl Scout troop to the
Twin Towers.

1401
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:20,239
We get in the first elevator and the
girls thought they were being shot off

1402
01:56:17,599 --> 01:56:27,760
in a rocket. The elevators are so fast.
The last elevator door opened up and it

1403
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:34,159
was beautiful sky. No clouds, sun. We
were above the weather. The girls looked

1404
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:40,000
down and saw the [clears throat] storm
below them. That's how big those

1405
01:56:36,560 --> 01:56:45,679
buildings were. You can't grasp it. The
second reason why I'm here is I would

1406
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:51,599
like you folks to rearrange your agenda
and have one last item. We've just heard

1407
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:56,239
people talk about the flock cameras. The
next is going to be a presentation about

1408
01:56:53,920 --> 01:57:02,719
the flock cameras, but there's no
ability today for the people here, the

1409
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:08,639
citizens to give their input to you and
get input back from you. A lot number of

1410
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:14,239
municipalities have at the end a
question and answer period. I think our

1411
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:18,960
board of commissioners should have a
question and answer period so that when

1412
01:57:16,639 --> 01:57:24,239
you are discussing things you can get
immediate feedback from the citizens. I

1413
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:29,246
see no reason why you wouldn't go along
with that. Thank you.

1414
01:57:27,226 --> 01:57:29,246
[applause]

1415
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:37,040
» How you all doing? My name is Jason
Fleck. from Colton Harbor and uh he

1416
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:41,119
basically just summed it up for me too.
I was going to say like it's kind of

1417
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:44,719
counterintuitive to have a presentation
and have us go our comments beforehand

1418
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:49,520
and not afterwards. And everyone's
concerned with y'all review um reviewing

1419
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:52,080
the flock cameras and having an audit or
something. It's physically impossible

1420
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:55,520
because y'all have no control over the
flock cameras. The corporation that

1421
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:59,280
y'all signed up for has the control and
they will not entertain anything y'all

1422
01:57:57,119 --> 01:58:03,119
say. So, as everyone else said, we just
need to reject the flock cameras and all

1423
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:07,040
surveillance. It's Axon as well. They do
the um body cameras for the police.

1424
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:10,159
Supposedly, they are now the next flock
cameras that

1425
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:12,639
» y'all are going to be sold. And as well,
Palanteer, all y'all need to look into

1426
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:16,639
Palanteer. Oh yeah,
>> because all all y'all ring cameras,

1427
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:20,080
everything is all tied into Palunteer.
So everyone's worried about flock

1428
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:24,400
abusing their rights. It's Palanteer.
And it's amazing what we give up in in

1429
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:26,800
for in for convenience and fear. We give
up all our rights, basically. And then

1430
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:29,840
everyone comes back here and is upset
about it. But y'all need to wake up.

1431
01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:31,840
These clock cameras,
>> phones,

1432
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:36,239
» phone, everything's all tied to palent
here. all your doorbell cameras. It's

1433
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:40,400
all mass surveillance. So, just one more
thing. You all need to deflock their

1434
01:58:38,719 --> 01:58:44,880
county or all mass surveillance really.
And I'm curious on who who orchestrated

1435
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:48,639
this all as well. Like I want to find
out which one of y'all actually was in

1436
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:52,560
charge of signing the contract and think
this was good for our our county. So,

1437
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:57,017
thank you for your time. Have a good
one.

1438
01:58:54,997 --> 01:58:57,017
[applause]

1439
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:10,320
Good morning. I'm Katherine Fagan. I
think some of you already know me. Um, I

1440
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:16,960
have a few things. One, um, moving these
graves totally wrong. U, I read about it

1441
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:23,040
and and was appalled. Hearing Miss
Wescott made it even more real. Um, also

1442
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:30,239
with the master plan for the airport,
and I live on airport roads, so

1443
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:34,639
it's very personal to me. Um, how come
when you go to the airport, uh, uh, the

1444
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:39,040
Der County airport, you cannot get a
copy of the master plan? When I click on

1445
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:42,880
that, it says I don't have access. I
would like to see the master plan for

1446
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:46,639
the airport because that is going to
absolutely directly impact me and it

1447
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:49,520
should be online for everybody. you
know, people who are impacted by their

1448
01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:54,960
families graves being moved, for
example. So, that that was uh that was

1449
01:59:53,199 --> 01:59:57,960
one issue.
Um

1450
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:06,639
the other thing is the flock cameras.
We should just totally deflock. We

1451
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:10,320
shouldn't reconsider how the contract is
drafted. Get rid of it. We don't need

1452
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:15,440
that kind of surveillance. It's
absolutely creepy to think that you are

1453
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:19,599
being followed wherever you go around
this county and in this jurisdiction.

1454
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:24,159
And it's absolutely a warrantless
search. And why aren't there not HIPPO

1455
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:28,000
violations involved in that as well? You
should not know when I'm going to the

1456
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:32,560
doctor. I don't want you to know. And I
don't want law enforcement to know. It's

1457
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:36,480
none of your damn business. But yet,
that's what we have going on. They will

1458
02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:39,840
know when I go to the doctors. They will
know what hospital I'm going to. They

1459
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:45,119
will know what office I'm going to. They
will know who my friends are. And even

1460
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:49,840
if I'm doing nothing wrong, it doesn't
matter.

1461
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:56,800
I didn't sign up to be watched. And the
CEO Langley of this organization, when

1462
02:00:53,920 --> 02:01:02,159
you try and look him up, he is blurred.
You can't see his plates. You can't see

1463
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:07,520
his home. So if he doesn't think privacy
is important, why is he blurred?

1464
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:12,159
So
you try and say it's for safety, but Ben

1465
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:16,960
Franklin said those who would give up
essential liberties to purchase a little

1466
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:21,118
temporary safety deserve neither liberty
nor safety.

1467
02:01:19,098 --> 02:01:21,118
[applause]

1468
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:30,400
» Flock cameras take away our liberty and
they take away our safety. I don't feel

1469
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:36,159
safer with them. I feel very much
unsafe. [snorts] And Sheriff Dowy was up

1470
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:41,679
here earlier and he made a comment and I
have the ultimate respect for Sheriff

1471
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:46,400
Dowy as he knows. Um, but he made a side
comment that said uh he has a son who's

1472
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:52,000
in law school that he hopes he goes to
the the right side, not the dark side.

1473
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:55,440
Now, I believe, and you can correct me
if I'm wrong, Sheriff, but I believe

1474
02:01:53,520 --> 02:02:02,239
he's inferring that he would become a
prosecutor and not a defense council or

1475
02:01:59,360 --> 02:02:08,800
something else. Anyway, but the right
side, the right side of the law is the

1476
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:13,599
constitutional side. And warrantless
searches,

1477
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:18,159
warrantless searches are not the right
side of the law. And these flock cameras

1478
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:22,400
are nothing but warrantless searches.
You know, an officer, if he wants to put

1479
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:28,320
a tracker on a car, has to go get a
warrant. Has to has to apply for a

1480
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:32,400
warrant, which is quite a process.
But with these, you don't need a warrant

1481
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:38,480
because they are going constantly all
the time and they're on people who have

1482
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:42,960
no knowledge that it's even going on.
And I'm looking over my shoulder all the

1483
02:02:40,719 --> 02:02:48,560
time. I'm not doing anything wrong, but
it's just creepy to be constantly

1484
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:51,560
stalked by your government.
So

1485
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:58,320
I already told you about the seal.
If you look at what other juris I think

1486
02:02:57,199 --> 02:03:01,440
this has already been mentioned. I'm
trying to actually cut it short because

1487
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:07,520
everybody's kind of said what I would
have said. Um other jurisdictions that

1488
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:13,599
have had it are already deflocking.
Asheville has there's a a a big city in

1489
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:18,960
uh Arizona. I think Tempe, Arizona has
has done it. Florida of all places,

1490
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:23,040
California of all. when Florida when
California and Florida and Texas agree,

1491
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:28,560
we maybe need to be taking a look at
this because this is not one side. This

1492
02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:35,119
is bipartisan. This isn't even this is
tripartisan. This is the people do not

1493
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:40,239
want to be surveiled 247. Period.
We want to have our liberty and we want

1494
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:47,185
to feel safe and this does not do that.
This is just the opposite. Thank you.

1495
02:03:45,165 --> 02:03:47,185
[applause]

1496
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:53,000
Yes, sir.

1497
02:04:00,885 --> 02:04:04,400
[clears throat]
>> Morning, commissioners.

1498
02:04:03,599 --> 02:04:07,440
» Good morning.
>> Thank you for hearing me today.

1499
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:13,520
» What's your name?
>> Uh, my name is

1500
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:17,840
Sorry. One second here. I do know my
name. Uh, good morning, commissioners.

1501
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:22,880
My name is Anderson Weeks, and I'm a
proud lifelong resident of Dair County.

1502
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:26,000
The Outer Ranks has always felt like a
sanctuary to me, somewhere slightly

1503
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:30,560
separated from the rest of the world's
craziness. Whenever I was away from

1504
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:36,080
home, a feeling of comfort and relief
washed over me as I crossed the bridge

1505
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:39,920
to return. [sighs] I think a lot of
people in this room know the feeling I'm

1506
02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:42,960
talking about. My mom says that the
feeling hits her when she smells the

1507
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:46,639
salt air.
I always believed that no matter how

1508
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:50,159
much it changed here, as long as we
didn't get washed into the ocean, I

1509
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:53,760
would still feel that magic as I crossed
the bridge. [clears throat] Excuse me,

1510
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:58,639
I'm getting a little sick here. [snorts]
Um, I always believed this, that is,

1511
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:03,440
until I drove across the bridge and was
greeted by a Flock automated license

1512
02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:07,199
plate reader.
I started looking into ALPRs when I

1513
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:10,159
realized I was boxed in by them. I,
along with most Southern Shores

1514
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:14,880
residents, cannot drive to one single
store, restaurant, healthc care

1515
02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:19,280
provider, or school without passing at
least one ALPR.

1516
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:23,599
At first, I didn't know what they were.
My wife and I would discuss them on the

1517
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:29,520
drive home. Surely they're temporary,
maybe to study traffic.

1518
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:35,880
We thought there's no way they set up
all these cameras without engaging the

1519
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:35,880
public, right? Wrong.

1520
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:41,920
I quickly learned that every ALPR I
passed stored a photo of my vehicle in a

1521
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:45,760
database. Not my local police
department's database, but a nationwide

1522
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:51,360
database managed by a private for-profit
company. For Flock, more profit means

1523
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:54,239
more surveillance indefinitely.
This indicates that we have no reason to

1524
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:59,280
believe that this will slow down anytime
soon. If we don't act, we should

1525
02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:02,639
we should expect to see more
surveillance continuing to be

1526
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:07,920
normalized, which means more cameras
along our roads and maybe some of

1527
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:13,679
Flock's new quote alpha drones, which
some law American law enforcement

1528
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:17,280
agencies have already begun using.
>> We have a presentation coming up shortly

1529
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:21,040
in support of AOPRs. I appreciate that
our presenters and most of the police

1530
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:24,800
officers who advocate for Flock are good
people. They likely support AOPRs

1531
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:28,560
because in their daily life in law
enforcement, they see the good

1532
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:32,480
outweighing the bad.
However, I respectfully ask these

1533
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:36,400
officers along with everyone else to
consider deeply the cost that could come

1534
02:06:34,719 --> 02:06:40,960
along with our new found surveillance
state as it continues to grow. The slide

1535
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:44,400
deck, which is available on the county
website, appears to be created by Flock

1536
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:47,760
for North Carolina law enforcement. I
saw some misleading statements in it, so

1537
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:51,760
I would like to proactively discuss them
now.

1538
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:55,280
First, the slides state that AOPRs only
capture a point in time. They don't

1539
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:58,480
track vehicles continuously. What this
means is they don't track you every step

1540
02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:04,320
of the way between one camera and the
next. However, the density of these

1541
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:08,960
cameras does enable effectively
continuous tracking. As soon as you pass

1542
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:13,520
two of them on a single drive, it's
clear

1543
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:19,199
your travel can be mapped by the time
you pass them um and the distance the

1544
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:22,159
distance of time between the photos.
Therefore, you've effectively been

1545
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:25,840
tracked continuously.
Second, the slides state that ALPRs

1546
02:07:24,159 --> 02:07:30,000
don't track people or show police where
people go and they do not allow for the

1547
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:34,639
search of people. The Kill Hills Police
said something similar at the council

1548
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:39,040
meeting a couple weeks ago. ALPRs track
license plates, not people. I don't know

1549
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:43,520
about everyone else here, but my license
plate does not drive itself down the

1550
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:47,119
road. It's incredibly rare for anyone
else to drive my car. Therefore, by

1551
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:52,800
tracking my license plate and allowing
law enforcement to search for it, Flock

1552
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:56,400
has tracked me, a person, and Flock has
enabled others to search for me, a

1553
02:07:54,639 --> 02:08:00,079
person, contrary to what the slides
would tell you. They also state that

1554
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:04,000
nothing permits Flock to sell customer
data. This is technically true. They

1555
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:10,320
don't directly sell the customer data.
We technically own it. However, they do

1556
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:14,719
reserve the rights to share it and they
do sell access to the data. Every time

1557
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:18,320
law enforcement signs a contract, opting
into the national data sharing, they are

1558
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:22,159
effectively paying not just for their
cameras, but for Flock's broader

1559
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:27,679
database. Just yesterday, the New York
Times podcast, The Daily, said, quote,

1560
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:31,920
"I asked Flock CEO Garrett Langley about
their data sharing, and he said the mass

1561
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:35,920
majority of their customers opt in for
the national network. Like, that is

1562
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:41,119
what's appealing, that you have eyes on
the road everywhere, not just in your

1563
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:48,079
community, but in your whole state and
in your whole country." End quote.

1564
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:51,199
Flock knows that they are effectively
selling the data, but they intentionally

1565
02:08:49,599 --> 02:08:56,239
provide training and marketing like the
slides we're about to see in order to

1566
02:08:53,199 --> 02:09:02,800
mislead us into thinking otherwise.
So, Flock and Can I go like a minute

1567
02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:08,320
over this? I'll be quick.
Flock and law enforcement tell us that

1568
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:12,560
ALPRs don't track vehicles continuously,
but we know that what they do is

1569
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:15,920
effectively the same. They say LPRs
don't track people or allow for

1570
02:09:14,239 --> 02:09:20,639
searching people, but we know that's
exactly what is happening every time a

1571
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:26,320
vehicle is logged or searched. They say
they don't sell ARP ALPR data, but we

1572
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:29,679
know they do sell access to the data.
Knowing how misleading those statements

1573
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:34,239
are, we must consider one more issue.
Flock is actively and intentionally

1574
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:38,400
providing training, such as these slides
coming up, to mislead our law

1575
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:44,159
enforcement and to train them, likely
unknowingly, to mislead us.

1576
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:49,199
Flock knows that tracking people is
unamerican. They know that we will not

1577
02:09:46,480 --> 02:09:53,040
accept it as long as we have a choice.
Rather than changing course, they're

1578
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:57,199
working hard to prevent us from
understanding the truth so they can

1579
02:09:54,560 --> 02:10:01,199
continue expanding their business. This
intentional misleading of the public

1580
02:09:59,119 --> 02:10:07,034
should demonstrate to all of us why we
cannot trust them to safely administer

1581
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:10,400
this massive surveillance network.
[snorts]

1582
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:14,320
» Thank you, [clears throat] Mr. Weeks. I
humbly ask that all Dair County

1583
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:18,800
commissioners act on behalf of your
constituents in any way you can to

1584
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:23,280
remove flock alprs completely from our
county. Thank you.

1585
02:10:21,445 --> 02:10:29,880
[applause]
>> Other public comment here this morning.

1586
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:29,880
» Yes, ma'am.

1587
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:38,400
» Good morning and thank you all for your
service to this community and thank you

1588
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:45,360
for listening to us today. I am um on
the deflock dare. I am not a fan. I'm a

1589
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:50,000
res Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Rachel Bradley um
from Kittyhawk, North Carolina. Um I'm

1590
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:55,040
completely opposed. I was on my way
yesterday to take my grandkid or to pick

1591
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:59,280
my grandkids up from school um yesterday
afternoon and I passed camera after

1592
02:10:57,040 --> 02:11:04,400
camera. I then left from the Kittyhawk
Elementary School and drove to Food

1593
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:08,960
Line. And as I turned there by downtown
Bank to go into Food Line, there's four

1594
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:14,320
of them right there. Four cameras. And
when I say right there, I mean from me

1595
02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:19,920
to the door, there was the two. Just
past that door, there was two more. So

1596
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:25,520
in between Town Bank and Food Line
turnin, four cameras.

1597
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:30,719
It's nonsense. And people are tired of
being watched. I am tired of being

1598
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:34,960
watched. I'm tired of going out my door,
walking down the road to the skate park

1599
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:39,920
with my grandkids
and being on camera. It's enough. It's

1600
02:11:37,679 --> 02:11:44,719
enough. People don't want it. We need to
deflock there. You need to listen to the

1601
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:48,079
people of this community and to what our
our our I mean, this is our

1602
02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:52,320
constitutional right is not to be mass
surveillance. You know, people are so

1603
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:57,280
worried about these data centers.
Everybody's worried about all these data

1604
02:11:53,840 --> 02:12:01,599
centers. Why do you think we need them?
We've been running on phones and

1605
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:07,599
computers and networking for quite some
time now with no major huge data

1606
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:11,119
centers. It's bad enough that we don't
even hardly have any farmland left

1607
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:16,320
anywhere. This that for all the building
that goes on and all of that is out of

1608
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:21,040
control as it is. But enough is enough.
And people are sick and tired of being

1609
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:25,840
walked all over. We're tired of our
liberties being taken from us, our

1610
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:31,360
freedoms being taken from us. That is
not what this country was founded on. It

1611
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:35,920
is not what this country is founded on.
It's not what our forefathers died for.

1612
02:12:33,679 --> 02:12:41,679
It's not what the people that made this
country

1613
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:46,320
wanted. And we don't want it either. And
we hope that you're taking it seriously.

1614
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:52,079
And we hope you're going to deflock
because enough is enough. And I just

1615
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:55,440
want to say on a side note, I agree.
Those graves being moved over at Mano

1616
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:59,840
Airport that have been sitting there for
hundreds and hundreds of years, the fact

1617
02:12:57,199 --> 02:13:05,040
that that's even on the table is absurd.
>> If that was my family members, I would

1618
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:09,199
fight you tooth and nail. I don't come
to a lot of these. I'm not big on

1619
02:13:06,880 --> 02:13:14,000
politics, but I'm very big on my
liberty. Very big on my liberty and my

1620
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:19,679
freedoms. [applause]
And props to Sheriff Dowy. I worked with

1621
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:24,239
him years ago at Village Realy. Years
and years ago, I remember him coming in

1622
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:30,079
every day. The happiest person in the
room, the most positive person in the

1623
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:33,360
room. I have voted for you every year. I
was sad to see you leave this year.

1624
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:36,480
» Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate that.
>> And I appreciate your service to this

1625
02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:41,599
community.
>> And I mean that wholeheartedly.

1626
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:47,772
» You're sweet.
>> But I hope you take us seriously and I

1627
02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:50,800
thank you for your time. Anybody
[applause]

1628
02:13:49,119 --> 02:13:54,040
else like to speak public?
>> Yes sir.

1629
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:07,679
» Good morning sir.
>> Good morning. Thank you for the

1630
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:12,239
opportunity to address this topic with
you guys. Um

1631
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:17,920
my name is Richard Beal by the way.
Thank you. Um, everyone here has brought

1632
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:22,800
up so many points that could be rehashed
over and over again about civil

1633
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:29,679
liberties, civil rights, and how these
cameras take that away.

1634
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:32,079
I can't even begin to explain how much
pride [clears throat] I have in this

1635
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:36,400
country,
the people that fought for it, people

1636
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:41,119
that continue to fight for it. and what
they fight for and what they give their

1637
02:14:38,079 --> 02:14:47,040
lives for is our right to come up here
and protest what is going on right now.

1638
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:51,840
This is a free country.
It's free because we fight for it and

1639
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:59,119
it'll stay free because we will continue
to fight for it.

1640
02:14:54,960 --> 02:15:03,119
Our police no ill will towards any of
the police. They do a fantastic job and

1641
02:15:01,199 --> 02:15:07,679
honestly I think that the money being
spent on those cameras would be better

1642
02:15:04,560 --> 02:15:13,760
funded in the community in law
enforcement in education infrastructure

1643
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:17,199
things that could benefit locally.
I don't think we need private

1644
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:22,560
corporations dictating who's a criminal
and who's not because they don't know.

1645
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:28,239
They're going to use software to assume
that everyone is a criminal. even your

1646
02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:32,800
mother, your grandmother, your children,
your children's children. This is the

1647
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:38,239
beginning of the stripping away of what
makes America America.

1648
02:15:36,239 --> 02:15:43,199
And what I would ask you guys to do is
to take into consideration that they say

1649
02:15:40,960 --> 02:15:47,840
these are plate readers. Why are they in
places where there's pedestrian traffic?

1650
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:52,000
Because they do facial recognition. They
do all kinds of things that aren't in

1651
02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:56,560
the brochure.
They're not transparent with you.

1652
02:15:54,400 --> 02:16:01,840
They're not transparent with us and
they're never going to be.

1653
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:07,599
This is strictly set up for them to make
profit at all of our expenses, yours

1654
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:11,599
included.
So, please

1655
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:17,119
deflock.
No action. No more of this mess. Let's

1656
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:21,679
bring government back to government and
not to private corporations.

1657
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:24,679
Thank you. [applause]
Any

1658
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:33,000
other public comment this morning?
Seeing no hands here, is there any

1659
02:16:29,280 --> 02:16:33,000
public comment in Bucks?

1660
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:39,319
» Any public comment from
>> Amla Lacader,

1661
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:51,200
» welcome everyone.
>> Thank you. Um, my name is Pamela Lacader

1662
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:55,519
and I am the new chair of the Frisco
Civic Association

1663
02:16:53,200 --> 02:17:01,920
and we are pleased to announce that we
received our 501c3 status last month. We

1664
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:06,960
look forward to working with the
commissioners, local businesses, county

1665
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:13,920
officials,
and all other community organizations

1666
02:17:10,559 --> 02:17:20,960
to address the needs and opportunities
in our community. We also would like to

1667
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:26,160
thank all those who've supported us on
this journey to establish the Frisco

1668
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:30,000
Civic Association this year. Thank you
very much.

1669
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:35,840
» Thank you, Miss Lester.
>> Any other public comment from Buckton?

1670
02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:38,000
» No further comment.
>> That Mr. Chairman, we close the public

1671
02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:43,800
comment.
>> All right, county manager, we're going

1672
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:43,800
to recess for 10 minutes.

1673
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:56,880
because of the length of the uh HR1 and
and state budget impacts in Dair County,

1674
02:17:54,559 --> 02:18:01,359
item five was going to be a lengthy
presentation. And out of respect for

1675
02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:06,240
those who made public comment this
morning, I've asked the sheriff to uh

1676
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:13,240
come forward and we'll reverse item five
and six so that we can handle the uh his

1677
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:13,240
presentation at this time.

1678
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:29,280
Good morning once again. Um, with me is
Tyler Daddy. Uh, and he will be

1679
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:33,120
answering your questions because he is
one of the one that has done most of the

1680
02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:36,399
work with this system. Um, but I'm going
to turn around just for a second and

1681
02:18:34,639 --> 02:18:40,960
thank a couple of y'all. Thank you very
much. I do not remember you. I apologize

1682
02:18:39,439 --> 02:18:44,800
for that. But I do remember I know
exactly where you and why we did know

1683
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:49,359
each other and I thank you for that
>> and you too ma'am. It means a lot. And

1684
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:53,040
it also means a lot to me to think that
uh you know you people talk about law

1685
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:56,319
enforcement in Dair County like you do
and I'd like to think that is because of

1686
02:18:54,880 --> 02:19:00,399
some of the work that we have done over
the last 16 years and all the ones that

1687
02:18:58,880 --> 02:19:04,880
were before me that were doing that. We
do have a great sheriff's office. We

1688
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:09,120
have great local law enforcement and we
do a very good job. I think I we're not

1689
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:14,800
perfect and we will never be. I assure
you that. But thank you for coming and

1690
02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:18,639
that's what this country is made of and
if we don't adhere to that then there's

1691
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:25,120
something wrong with us and we surely
are lost. Um so we're just going all we

1692
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:29,679
are is presenting. We're not you know
obviously it's a tool for us and uh and

1693
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:33,599
we like what you know what we have been
able to do with it but we understand

1694
02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:37,120
where you are too. So don't holler at
me. And the one lady that said, I don't

1695
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:40,960
know if she said that the cameras were
the devil or I was the devil, but I

1696
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:44,319
promise you I am not the devil,
>> but I can be really, really ugly if I

1697
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:47,679
have to [clears throat] be. So, we'll go
from there. Thank you, Mr. Wood. My

1698
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:52,319
apologies.
>> Um, and this is just, like I said, I'm

1699
02:19:50,319 --> 02:19:56,080
going to go through it briefly. He'll
answer any questions that y'all have.

1700
02:19:54,160 --> 02:20:01,439
Okay? Hopefully, he can answer any and
all of them. um automated o excuse me

1701
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:05,680
automated license plate readers alper
under GS20-183

1702
02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:09,520
operated within the statute requirements
of North Carolina

1703
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:14,560
justice officers using this technology
to locate missing or endangered persons

1704
02:20:11,920 --> 02:20:18,560
conduct investigations and make arrest
they were actually implemented in Dair

1705
02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:23,760
County in 2014 at that time they were
called Leonardo's ELSAC operated two

1706
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:28,560
locations with a total of four cameras
until 2023

1707
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:33,280
in July July, 2023, we begin phase one
with flock safety. There were four

1708
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:39,359
locations, eight cameras. Wright
memorial bridge in Kittyhawk, Collington

1709
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:47,359
Road at Veterans Drive, Highway 64, Mans
Harbor Road in Mansour, and Highway 12

1710
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:54,880
and 1243 in a head. In July of 2025, we
went to phase two. Three locations, six

1711
02:20:50,080 --> 02:21:01,439
cameras. Highway 345, Skyo Road, Wanche,
Highway 12, Pamelic Co and Harbor Road

1712
02:20:57,600 --> 02:21:07,920
in Avon, Highway 64, 264, Russell
Trifford Road, and Patty Lane in Manio.

1713
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:12,240
Total cameras are 14.
>> Excuse me, Sheriff. One of the public

1714
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:16,160
speakers emphatically stated you have 52
cameras.

1715
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:20,240
» Now, Mr. Ross, I can tell you that we
have 14,

1716
02:21:17,439 --> 02:21:24,960
» but there are local agencies that have
just as many cameras as we do. So, that

1717
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:30,080
would be the answer to that.
>> Um, cameras take still shots of

1718
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:34,880
vehicles, license plates that pass by in
their window of view. No video

1719
02:21:32,399 --> 02:21:40,560
recordings are capable with our cameras.
Cameras are not capable of facial

1720
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:47,439
recognition. Data retention period is 30
days. And the total users on our system

1721
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:53,040
is 70 that have access to it. Users with
search capability is 29. The And this

1722
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:58,240
enables you to have the ability to
search license plate or vehicle

1723
02:21:55,680 --> 02:22:02,960
identifiers within the system. The only
ones in our system that I in our office

1724
02:22:00,319 --> 02:22:09,200
that can do that are administration,
investigation, and patrol supervisors.

1725
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:14,640
Search requirements, offense type,
offense reason, and case number.

1726
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:19,200
Standard operation of roles,
telecommunications, and patrol. We're

1727
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:25,359
able to log on and observe alerts from
hot list. That's NCIC and NCMEC.

1728
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:31,120
When an alert is received, users
required to verify the validity of alert

1729
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:34,720
prior to enforcement action per policy.
investigators and patrol supervisors.

1730
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:39,920
They are able to search camera systems
in accordance with general statute and

1731
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:44,560
policy. This used to locate missing or
endangered persons, conduct

1732
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:49,600
investigations, and to make arrest.
Admin system audits updated daily within

1733
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:54,640
the system and reviewed monthly by
admin. System sharing only

1734
02:22:52,640 --> 02:23:01,280
administrative controls who have access
to which cameras and all of the above.

1735
02:22:58,560 --> 02:23:06,560
hot list, NCIC, National Criminal
Information Center, and the NCMEC, which

1736
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:13,439
is the National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children. Over the last 30

1737
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:19,040
days here, as of 8:28-26,
324,884

1738
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:27,840
unique vehicles detected,
42 total searches,

1739
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:33,359
110 NCIC alerts. And of those alerts,
stolen license plate were 36, stolen

1740
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:40,080
vehicles 35,
protection orders 22,

1741
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:46,960
active warrants 12, gang or suspected
terrorist three. Shared networks instate

1742
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:51,760
we share with 204 and out of state
1,325.

1743
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:56,240
That's different agencies.
>> Who who has access to the

1744
02:23:54,080 --> 02:24:01,280
» You give me one. I got three and if if
this doesn't answer your question, just

1745
02:23:58,080 --> 02:24:07,840
hold me up. Okay. Um, shared with us
instate 20 Okay.

1746
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:12,319
204 instate and 1428 out of state. We
share nothing with federal agencies.

1747
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:16,399
Zero. That's what we did. Information
sharing. It allows us to search database

1748
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:21,680
for our suspect vehicles on their
systems. This information is available

1749
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:26,319
through our transparency portal which is
active now.

1750
02:24:23,439 --> 02:24:30,640
Success stories. Uh the murder at Avalon
Pier. Witness on scene had partial tag

1751
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:34,399
and description of the vehicle. With the
flop, we were able to identify the

1752
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:39,120
correct make, model, and license plate.
Other law enforcement databases used to

1753
02:24:36,399 --> 02:24:42,640
verify owner and operator. Alerted when
the vehicle was coming back into Dair

1754
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:47,680
County, allowing officers to locate and
arrest the suspect.

1755
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:50,720
Multiple stolen vehicles located. One
specific incident out of Washington

1756
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:54,319
County where a stolen vehicle was
stopped. Multiple firearms were

1757
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:58,960
recovered from the suspects after the
vehicle and a foot chase. Death by

1758
02:24:57,040 --> 02:25:03,680
distribution, drug trafficking,
lararsenies, wanted persons and missing

1759
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:08,800
persons have all been we have used the
system for that. Able to identify

1760
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:13,600
vehicle of a male trespassing at Manio
Elementary School. And if you remember

1761
02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:18,640
that we we weren't able to know where he
went, but we knew where that he didn't

1762
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:21,359
leave the county, which gave us a pretty
good head start to figure out where he

1763
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:25,520
was. and the fact that he was doing
court was a little bit easier to find.

1764
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:31,120
He was right in our house and we didn't
know it. Now, that is

1765
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:36,800
it in a nutshell.
And if you have specific questions, he

1766
02:25:34,080 --> 02:25:42,640
knows a whole lot more than I know and
we'll be glad to answer any of them you

1767
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:48,080
have. Thank you very much.
>> All you

1768
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:52,479
Any questions from those?
>> One more time, your name, sir. Sorry. My

1769
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:55,840
name's Tyler Dowy.
>> Hello, Tyler.

1770
02:25:53,680 --> 02:26:00,880
» Hello,
>> Tyler. This packet that Block came

1771
02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:03,760
provided us, I'm assuming they provided
you all with the same packet.

1772
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:06,319
» Yes, sir, they did.
>> Do you concur with everything in this

1773
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:10,399
packet?
>> I do. It's it is presented by Flock, but

1774
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:14,160
it was uh all the information that's
there is true and factual, and it was

1775
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:19,680
easier to use their resource than create
our own and duplicate the same facts. So

1776
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:25,120
on the myths and facts page
that

1777
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:30,000
myth let me see if I can find the page
about it.

1778
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:32,800
» Oh we should I'm sorry uh commissioner
are we going to go through the slides on

1779
02:26:31,920 --> 02:26:35,680
the presentation?
>> We are not that was just handouts for

1780
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:37,840
you all.
>> Oh

1781
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:42,720
» there was a flock handout.
>> So myth ALPRs violate the fourth

1782
02:26:41,359 --> 02:26:46,800
amendment.
I don't believe it's the right of a

1783
02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:52,080
private company or enterprise to
determine what violates or does not

1784
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:55,520
violate constitutional law.
>> Would you concur with that?

1785
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:59,520
» I understand what you're saying. At this
point in time, they are legal in the

1786
02:26:57,439 --> 02:27:02,720
state and that's why we're operating
that according to the general statute

1787
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:07,040
that the sheriff read off to you.
>> I understand. And as you're aware, as we

1788
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:10,880
convene this day, there's people
convening all over the country getting

1789
02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:15,280
rid of these flock cameras as fast,
including the entire state of Florida

1790
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:20,720
was just directed by North Carolina or
the Florida Department of Transportation

1791
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:25,600
to remove all cameras.
>> Right. It is a hot topic of concern

1792
02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:30,560
being discussed nationwide. I do agree.
>> So you understand from a perspective of

1793
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,080
an American citizen why this might be a
concern?

1794
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:37,439
Giving up any rights that we have is
something that nobody's interested in.

1795
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:42,479
We as law enforcement are just using
this as a tool to hopefully make Dair

1796
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:47,120
County a safer place.
>> And I believe y'all do an excellent job.

1797
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:49,840
But even back in the day, Frank Coahon
didn't even carry a firearm, did he?

1798
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:52,800
» Times have changed.
>> He just knock you in the head with a

1799
02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:57,439
stump.
>> And the crime rate was pretty low back

1800
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:05,439
then, too.
I understand the framework of flock and

1801
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:11,840
the overall concept of a safer
environment. However, built with privacy

1802
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:16,960
in mind, I disagree with. I I do believe
that they are direct violations of the

1803
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:21,040
fourth amendment because a camera
stationed on a public roadway. See,

1804
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:25,600
people have to understand constitutional
law in the aspect of when you're on that

1805
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:30,399
highway, you do not have the rights
protected. So, them scanning your

1806
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:34,560
license plate is 100% constitutionally
legal. Okay? They are allowed anything

1807
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:37,920
you can see with the public eye in a
public area, they are allowed to enhance

1808
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:42,960
it using whatever technologies
available. However, as we know, those

1809
02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:48,800
flot cameras are stationed on highways.
They know undoubtedly scan across the

1810
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:54,640
road and then observe people's private
property, businesses, and other things.

1811
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:58,160
People have houses up and down the road
in Nagad. I'm not so certain that there

1812
02:28:56,479 --> 02:29:02,479
isn't a flock camera overlooking
somebody's private property. Now, people

1813
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:06,240
are protected under the fourth amendment
to property rights inside of the

1814
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:09,600
vehicle. when you're going underneath
the vehicle, if it takes a picture and

1815
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:13,920
can see inside your vehicle, that has
also violated your rights because, as

1816
02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:18,800
you know, aware, your vehicle is private
property and you do need a warrant to

1817
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:22,560
search. So, there are some underlying
aspects of flock cameras that very well

1818
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:25,760
could violate the constitutional rights
of our constituents.

1819
02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:29,359
» Right. That's the argument's correct.
Uh, I think currently they're being

1820
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:34,960
operated under the plane view doctrine
because they are on a public roadway

1821
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:40,160
» and I'm aware of that. You know, these
cameras, the 14 that we own, do the job

1822
02:29:37,520 --> 02:29:44,560
that we can't afford to put deputies at
these at these points where these

1823
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:48,640
cameras are to monitor traffic. And they
do so, alerting us of when, you know,

1824
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:51,680
people with warrants or stolen cars or
all the other hot list hits that you

1825
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:55,760
were made aware of are entering the
county.

1826
02:29:53,120 --> 02:30:00,240
» I understand. But thou without sin shall
cast the first stone. Obviously, I

1827
02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:02,960
believe our sheriff's department here is
one of the best in the entire nation.

1828
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:07,439
Thank you very much.
>> However, I do not believe that law

1829
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:11,200
enforcement are beyond scrutiny. And I
also believe that there has been misuse

1830
02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:15,920
of this program throughout the country
and the nation by law enforcement. But

1831
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:20,000
» Mr. Creek, we're not arguing that fact
at all.

1832
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:23,760
» We don't have a penny in a fight.
>> This is your this is that's why we're

1833
02:30:21,520 --> 02:30:26,720
here. We're answering questions to you.
It's not an opinion from us as to

1834
02:30:25,359 --> 02:30:30,960
whether we should keep them or not.
That's apparently your job because

1835
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:35,120
that's why we're here. That's why these
people are here. So, we can't answer

1836
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:39,359
those questions and make it only we're
thing we're following is the law. That's

1837
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:42,240
what we do. That's the reason we put
them up. The court's going to make a

1838
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:45,280
decision on whether it's legal or not
legal. I guarantee you that. And it

1839
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:49,200
ain't going to be long before they do
it. I wish they had done it. It been

1840
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:52,960
nice if they'd have done it today. We
have no problem when they do that. We

1841
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:55,680
will certainly take them down. If you
vote

1842
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:59,920
» to take them down today, they'll come
down just that quick. Have all the

1843
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:04,160
respect. That's why you have your job.
That's why we have our job. We do

1844
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:08,479
exactly what you set you set the rules
for us, you know, and if it's against

1845
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:11,280
the if it's if it's against the state
law or federal law, it makes a

1846
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:14,640
difference. But if that's what you're
going to do, that's fine. We don't have

1847
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:18,800
a problem. But we're not here standing
up saying we're just telling you what

1848
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:21,920
what they do and why they do good for
us. Now, with the bad things that come

1849
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:25,600
along with that that you know, all these
people have talked about, you know, some

1850
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:29,200
of that may be factual with what they
think and some of it may not be, but we

1851
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:33,600
don't know. But the court will make a
decision on that. I guarantee you.

1852
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:37,520
» But it's not us. Okay? It's not us
against them or us against you. We're

1853
02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:41,040
all in this together, boss man. And
that's what we're trying to do. Okay.

1854
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:43,280
So, you know, it's not our opinion.
We're not trying to make it an opinion

1855
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:46,319
of ours.
>> So, we're not trying to bring it down to

1856
02:31:44,880 --> 02:31:47,600
that point. You know what I mean?
>> Excellent.

1857
02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:51,120
» Yes, sir.
>> Good. So, uh, excuse me. Go ahead.

1858
02:31:50,319 --> 02:31:54,000
» Just real quick.
>> Yes, sir.

1859
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:57,040
» Uh, both of you can answer this. I'd
like to hear from both. So,

1860
02:31:55,120 --> 02:32:01,359
professionally, you're of the opinion
that we need these and they serve a

1861
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:05,439
great purpose.
>> They serve a purpose and I can I told

1862
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:07,920
you what they had done here.
>> Yeah.

1863
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:12,880
» You know, in a in the country, they have
done a lot of other things. You know,

1864
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:17,680
» we've had no bad results from what we
have done here. You know, so they work

1865
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:21,200
for us and they're legal. But if you
make it illegal or don't want them,

1866
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:26,319
that's that's you. You do what you need
to do. Both of you are of the

1867
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:28,640
professional opinion that we should have
them.

1868
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:32,399
» Yeah. I can tell you that they have
tremendously helped us as far as the law

1869
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:36,359
enforcement use that we have. For sure.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1870
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:43,439
» Uh, Commissioner Ce, were you finished?
>> I am finished. And I just want to

1871
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:46,960
reiterate how much I respect Mr. Dowy
and their entire department. I think

1872
02:32:45,359 --> 02:32:50,960
they do an excellent job.
>> Thank you, Commissioner

1873
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:57,040
» Tyler. I got a couple of questions that
try to not from Well, not as much so for

1874
02:32:54,640 --> 02:32:58,640
myself as is for the public. Some of the
questions they ask.

1875
02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:03,200
» Yes, sir.
>> Um, so we have 14 cameras.

1876
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:09,040
» Yes, sir.
>> Are they the Something's been said at

1877
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:12,080
least
or they were like 3,500 bucks a piece.

1878
02:33:11,359 --> 02:33:16,399
Is that right?
>> They're $3,000 a piece.

1879
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:21,520
» All right. So, so it's even less now
than what I, you know, somebody stated

1880
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:28,640
we're spending hundreds of thousands of
dollars that could be spent um more

1881
02:33:25,280 --> 02:33:34,640
efficiently somewhere else. And we have
our board approves the budget uh from

1882
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:41,600
different department heads and this was
a request from the sheriff. So 14

1883
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:44,399
cameras at three grand is not several
hundred,000. I mean, you do the math.

1884
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:48,560
Yes sir.
>> It's less than

1885
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:52,640
» um
>> what 33 42

1886
02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:58,640
» 4,200 bucks I mean 42,000
>> right roughly. Yes sir.

1887
02:33:54,160 --> 02:34:02,000
» So that that will um um certainly answer
that question for the person that asked

1888
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:09,280
that.
Do you have any idea Sheriff or Tyler

1889
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:14,080
what percentage of drop in crime we've
seen since implemented in 2014? I don't

1890
02:34:12,560 --> 02:34:19,520
think we'd be able to put it to a
percentage. Um,

1891
02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:23,680
we have been able to capture vehicles,
you know, wanted suspects, stolen

1892
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:30,800
vehicles, stolen plates. The sheriff
read off to you the NCIC alerts, and

1893
02:34:28,240 --> 02:34:35,280
it is under a 30-day period, but just in
that amount of time where you're able to

1894
02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:40,000
see stolen license plate alerts were 36,
stolen vehicle alerts were 35, vehicles

1895
02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:44,720
whose registered owners had active
warrants were 12. That doesn't

1896
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:49,680
necessarily mean that uh we had 35
stolen vehicles individuals

1897
02:34:47,439 --> 02:34:55,280
come into the county. It just means that
that same vehicle or multiple stolen

1898
02:34:52,160 --> 02:35:00,640
vehicles crossed the path of at least
one or more of these flot cameras during

1899
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:05,120
its time in Dair County. But that's
information that we wouldn't be able to

1900
02:35:02,399 --> 02:35:09,200
know unless an officer was riding behind
that vehicle, entering the tag on its

1901
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:13,439
own, and then being alerted that it was
stolen.

1902
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:19,680
I got it. Um
Doug, you mentioned, you know, back in

1903
02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:25,280
2014 there were four cameras installed
>> and then you mentioned uh 2025

1904
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:28,399
there was six additional
>> plus 2023. Three segments.

1905
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:34,720
» Yes. Three segments.
>> 14 23 25.

1906
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:38,000
» Yes sir, that's correct. 2014
total of 14. Yes, sir.

1907
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:43,120
» Can you can [clears throat] you tell me
those strategic locations again? And

1908
02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:47,920
they're not. One lady mentioned there's
an intersection and this is not this is

1909
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:50,880
not an unincorporated there. It's in
Kittyhawk.

1910
02:35:49,520 --> 02:35:53,920
» Okay. Four. She was talking about
Southern Southern Shores. There's four

1911
02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:57,600
cameras.
>> We don't have four cameras on top of

1912
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:01,600
each other anywhere. Is that correct?
>> No. It's the only place we'd have a a

1913
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:04,080
two camera, you know, two different C.
Now, I can't that they may in Southern

1914
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:06,160
Shores.
>> No, I understand that. I'm talking about

1915
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:08,080
Derek.
>> No, sir. You have two

1916
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:12,560
» 14 cameras
>> to lead to to read what comes into the

1917
02:36:10,399 --> 02:36:15,760
county. The dual lanes there are two
cameras like that what's coming in and

1918
02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:19,359
going out. So that's
>> what 40. So

1919
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:22,160
» at every location that we have we have
cameras that cover the opposite lanes of

1920
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:28,319
travel.
>> Got it.

1921
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:32,640
» So so both both lanes are covered. So,
the towns that have these other flock

1922
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:38,000
cameras,
are they're in sync with our cameras? As

1923
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:42,000
one gentleman said, you if you'll show
up on our camera and you maybe go a mile

1924
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:47,920
or so down the road and it'll show up on
them. Are they linked like that?

1925
02:36:45,439 --> 02:36:50,720
» We do share permissions where the other
towns can access our cameras and us the

1926
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:55,120
same.
>> Okay. All right.

1927
02:36:52,960 --> 02:36:58,880
Um
I I may have some more questions, but

1928
02:36:56,800 --> 02:37:02,160
it's all I have right now. Okay,
Commissioner Ross.

1929
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:09,200
» Yes, I just thanks guys. This is really
really helpful stuff, especially the

1930
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:14,399
statistics obviously very good. Uh 29
um personnel, Sheriff, you you'd stated

1931
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:20,479
have search capability.
Um, have any of those 29

1932
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:26,080
been identified as misusing that search
capability for personal purposes or

1933
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:30,000
personal gain, personal uses that would
have been contrary to policy in the

1934
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:32,319
sheriff's department?
>> No, sir. They have not.

1935
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:36,399
» Okay.
>> And I'm not sure what the outcome will

1936
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:40,399
be with that. They may not be here
anyway at that point.

1937
02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:46,080
» Yes, I understand. Uh, one more time
those stats the three 324,000.

1938
02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:49,520
Yeah, the sheriff read them earlier
which I found very helpful. I was trying

1939
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:55,120
to note them down very quickly.
>> This is just 324,884

1940
02:37:52,560 --> 02:38:01,840
unique vehicles detected.
42 total searches and 110 NCIC alerts.

1941
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:04,960
And Tyler, I think just
>> Yeah, the plates and the 12.

1942
02:38:04,399 --> 02:38:10,160
» Yes, sir.
>> What were the 12

1943
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:15,840
» 12 active warrants? active warrants.
So, as you've characterized it, it is a

1944
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:24,399
tool in the toolkit that you as law
enforcement utilize every day. It's it

1945
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:31,600
sounds to me like it's more of a tool to
secure a quick and prompt arrest of

1946
02:38:28,479 --> 02:38:36,479
potential crimes that are in process or
have just recently taken process. And

1947
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:42,399
you did reference that the shooting at
Avon Pier uh the cameras were able to

1948
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:46,000
assist in apprehending the subject or
the uh suspect in in that event.

1949
02:38:45,040 --> 02:38:47,040
» Yes, sir. That's correct.
>> Okay.

1950
02:38:46,319 --> 02:38:50,319
» Avalon.
>> Okay.

1951
02:38:49,920 --> 02:38:55,680
» Okay.
>> Um so you have um I So there's 50

1952
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:58,640
cameras in all of Dair County.
>> We don't know that.

1953
02:38:56,960 --> 02:39:01,120
» I'm not.
>> We don't know.

1954
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:04,800
» That was a
live map.

1955
02:39:02,880 --> 02:39:08,319
So there's 14 of them that are yours.
The rest of them they belong to the

1956
02:39:06,319 --> 02:39:10,800
municipalities. Correct. So I'm I'm
concerned with unincorporated deer

1957
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,240
because that's what we have control
over.

1958
02:39:11,120 --> 02:39:17,920
» Understand? Yes ma'am.
>> Um so

1959
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:22,640
of those 14
when you got well and you said you share

1960
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:25,520
information with the municipalities.
What other organizations do you share

1961
02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:27,760
that information with? Are you sharing
it with federal authorities? Are you

1962
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:31,520
sharing it with
>> We just told you we don't share anything

1963
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:35,200
with federal authorities at all. And
>> but when you so when you get that

1964
02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:37,920
information you put do you put it into a
database where

1965
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:42,479
» it does that
>> right? So the cameras take a picture and

1966
02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:48,319
then that picture for whoever that we
decide to share with which um is on here

1967
02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:53,920
as well. Right. We share with 204
agencies within the state and 1,325

1968
02:39:51,600 --> 02:40:00,319
out of state agencies.
So essentially that they do have access

1969
02:39:56,960 --> 02:40:04,880
to the if if they have a particular
suspect vehicle that they're looking for

1970
02:40:02,640 --> 02:40:10,399
and they do a search query for a
nationwide cameras and we share with

1971
02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:14,880
them then if that vehicle crossed the
path of one of our cameras, it would

1972
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:19,840
alert them that their suspect vehicle is
crossing one of our cameras.

1973
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:22,319
» Well, that means there's over 1500 other
organizations, state and federal, that

1974
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:26,880
have access.
>> Not federal. Yes.

1975
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:31,760
» Right. No federal federal.
>> Oh, you said 204

1976
02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:33,920
» 204 within the state and then 1325 out
of state. So that's the surrounding

1977
02:40:33,439 --> 02:40:36,479
states.
>> Okay. Surrounding states,

1978
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:39,640
» state agencies and other municipalities.
>> I understand.

1979
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:47,000
» Are they all government agencies?
>> Yes.

1980
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:59,439
when you um are looking at this, who
audits the system? Do you have someone

1981
02:40:54,960 --> 02:41:03,040
that um and are we
like how is it monitored and audited?

1982
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:07,920
Right. For the auditing purposes, how
much information is allowed to go back

1983
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:10,880
out to the public as far as how you're
doing that

1984
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:14,479
» to the public? It's it's a sensitive
information because it's all criminal

1985
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:21,040
information that we're using this tool
to to investigate. So, as far as what's

1986
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:26,240
able to be released to the public, not
much. Uh, as far as the auditing goes,

1987
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:32,479
uh, myself, Sergeant Johnson, and then
Chief Deputy Daringer are the admin over

1988
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:39,080
the, um, over our flock account to do
run audits on the users that we have

1989
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:39,080
with the search capabilities.

1990
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:45,439
» I might have more questions. And by the
way, you're doing a very good job.

1991
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:49,280
» Thank you very much. He he's done he's
doing good. Dad, [laughter]

1992
02:41:48,080 --> 02:41:53,280
» anybody else have any questions?
>> Okay, I got a couple and these are uh

1993
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:57,439
questions that have come up from the
keyboard warriors.

1994
02:41:55,359 --> 02:41:59,600
» Um, are you interested?
>> I don't know what that is, Steve.

1995
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:02,160
Keyboard warriors.
>> The keyboard warriors like on Facebook

1996
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:06,319
social media.
>> Social media Monday morning meetings.

1997
02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:09,359
» Repeat.
>> I'm sorry, ma'am.

1998
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:10,720
» Yes.
>> Um,

1999
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:15,359
» thank you, Steve.
>> Is this system

2000
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:19,120
Are you interested in how many times
Jane Doe goes to the grocery store?

2001
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:22,000
» No, sir.
>> Does it flag anytime Jane Doe goes to

2002
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:24,319
the grocery store?
>> No, sir.

2003
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:29,680
» How does it create a flag?
>> Excuse me a minute.

2004
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:35,840
Those of you in the audience have had an
opportunity to speak at public comment.

2005
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:41,840
I would request that you have the same
respect that this board had for you when

2006
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:46,720
you spoke.
We don't need to have sly comments from

2007
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:54,479
the audience right now. We're actually
trying to make some serious decisions

2008
02:42:51,680 --> 02:43:00,240
regarding these flock cameras and we
would ask that you show us the same

2009
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:05,439
respect that we showed you. Thank you.
>> So to reate my my question, what does it

2010
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:10,160
take for you to flag a vehicle in the
system? They have to be involved in a

2011
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:12,560
criminal investigation of some sort or
be a missing or endangered person.

2012
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:17,600
» Okay.
>> So, when we run if for anything, right?

2013
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:22,240
Whether it's a license plate, we can
search by the specific plate or uh just

2014
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:26,800
like the sheriff talked about at Avalon
Pier that initial day when law

2015
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:31,040
enforcement responded, a witness on the
scene was able to describe a vehicle and

2016
02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:34,800
give a partial tag. Now, the making
model that they described when we were

2017
02:43:32,479 --> 02:43:40,720
on scene was incorrect. But through
Flock, we were able to run a black sedan

2018
02:43:38,399 --> 02:43:45,359
and with that partial tag and it
identified that vehicle. We're able to

2019
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:50,560
go into different uh law enforcement um
avenues, tools, databases to be able to

2020
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:54,800
run and confirm that tag and then that
that led us to our suspect.

2021
02:43:52,160 --> 02:43:59,040
» Okay. Now, if you're looking for a u say
an Amber Alert that has the tag number

2022
02:43:58,000 --> 02:44:03,279
on the Amber Alert.
>> Yes, sir. Is that presented into the

2023
02:44:01,439 --> 02:44:06,080
system so that when that when that
vehicle comes by that camera, it

2024
02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:08,720
automatically alerts you that that
vehicle is there?

2025
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:13,359
» Right. Our users when logged in and our
telecommunicators are uh our main source

2026
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:16,720
of that information. When they receive
that alert that a vehicle such as an

2027
02:44:14,960 --> 02:44:21,040
Amber Alert comes into the county or
passes by a camera, they're able to

2028
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:24,720
verify that that tag is indeed matching
an Amber Alert and then broadcast that

2029
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:28,880
information out to the units that are in
the area.

2030
02:44:25,359 --> 02:44:32,240
» Okay. And I do know um there's I don't
know the exact number, but I know

2031
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:36,960
there's over 2,000 Amber Alerts that
have been tracked and cases have been

2032
02:44:34,880 --> 02:44:39,520
cleared due to the system.
>> That I cannot I can't comment on. No,

2033
02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:46,399
sir.
>> All right. Um, another uh question that

2034
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:52,000
was brought up was if you go through one
flock camera and then you go through the

2035
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:56,479
second flock camera and they know the
distance and time and say you're going

2036
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:59,520
say there's a 35 mph speed limit.
>> Yes, sir.

2037
02:44:56,960 --> 02:45:02,800
» And you made that track in 40 miles an
hour. Is it going to flag you and send

2038
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:06,160
it send you a speeding ticket?
>> No, sir. These cameras are not for speed

2039
02:45:04,479 --> 02:45:08,319
enforcement. Uh, what they don't have
that capability,

2040
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:13,279
» right?
Um, is there any way to have this system

2041
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:16,560
and not share any information with any
other agency?

2042
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:21,200
» Is there any way to have it and not
share it? There is. We can we could it

2043
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:27,040
kind of defeats the purpose of the
entire network database because in turn

2044
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:29,920
we use other databases, the other shared
agencies to conduct our criminal

2045
02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:32,160
investigations.
>> Right. So that would that would

2046
02:45:31,279 --> 02:45:34,560
our system
>> essentially. Yes, sir.

2047
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:38,640
» Okay.
Um,

2048
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:43,840
and surveillance of our roadways is
nothing new. I mean, we've had this this

2049
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:46,880
system here since 2014,
>> right? We've been operating uh the

2050
02:45:45,520 --> 02:45:51,520
Alpers since 2014,
>> right? How many DOT traffic cameras are

2051
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:54,800
in Dair County?
>> That I'd be lying if I tried to quote

2052
02:45:53,120 --> 02:45:58,160
you, but I know a great number.
>> There's a great number of them, and

2053
02:45:56,080 --> 02:46:02,000
they've been in service uh since the
80s.

2054
02:46:00,479 --> 02:46:05,920
And is that any different from this
system?

2055
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:10,319
I don't understand the operations of the
DOT cameras and what they're capable of

2056
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:13,040
doing. Uh these are unique in that they
do take pictures of license plates and

2057
02:46:12,080 --> 02:46:14,479
vehicles that pass by.
>> I can identify.

2058
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:20,880
» Yes, sir.
>> Okay. Um also there's in several areas

2059
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:25,920
um there's a couple in North Carolina.
Uh there's quite a few in Virginia that

2060
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:29,040
are toll booths and there's no actual
physical toll booth. You ride through

2061
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:31,040
it, the camera takes a picture of your
license plate, you get a bill in the

2062
02:46:30,720 --> 02:46:33,600
mail.
>> Yes, sir. Is that similar to this

2063
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:37,680
technology?
>> No, sir. Or it it could be, but not I I

2064
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:42,160
am again not proficient in that
technology and we do not these cameras

2065
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:47,439
do not use that technology to
>> So if there's no reason for it to flag

2066
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:50,399
you, you would not know who went through
that

2067
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:53,920
» unless you physically look through it.
>> Um, and obviously with the number of

2068
02:46:52,640 --> 02:46:57,439
manpower you have at the sheriff's
department doing this, I don't think you

2069
02:46:55,840 --> 02:47:00,399
would have the manpower to track every
single vehicle going through there,

2070
02:46:58,960 --> 02:47:04,960
» right? It would be impossible,
>> right? That's all I got.

2071
02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:07,920
» Thank you, Vice Chairman, Commissioner
Baitman.

2072
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:13,279
» Tyler, um,
I go to Wine Cheese every day, building

2073
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:17,279
Dare Challenge, sometimes four times a
day.

2074
02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:21,279
Can you pull up and tell me exactly when
I go there?

2075
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:25,200
» I can tell you when you cross past of
that camera, but I cannot tell you where

2076
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:29,520
you go from that point on.
So anybody in this room can be taking

2077
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:33,760
that same route and you'll know that
they go there every day.

2078
02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:39,439
» If their tag is identified and they're
subject of a criminal investigation,

2079
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:43,600
then I would in turn run that tag and it
would pop up that you had crosspass with

2080
02:47:41,040 --> 02:47:48,560
that camera.
If for some reason this board uh made

2081
02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:54,080
the decision that we only wanted cameras
at the bridges to highlight someone

2082
02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:58,080
coming in and leaving, how would that
affect your department?

2083
02:47:56,000 --> 02:48:03,120
» Uh just like any technology, it's not
100% uh perfect. So we have instances

2084
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:07,680
where vehicles make it past one camera
uh whether they're being blocked off by

2085
02:48:04,960 --> 02:48:11,520
traffic uh you know, one lane versus the
other and their tags weren't picked up.

2086
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:15,920
And we do have a lot of traffic that
comes into our county. So if it misses

2087
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:22,000
it at one camera, then we'd like to
think that we have uh another catch

2088
02:48:18,399 --> 02:48:27,439
point if the a criminal were to alert um
in a different area. So it would not

2089
02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:33,359
make the system as effective if we only
put it at those two locations.

2090
02:48:31,120 --> 02:48:37,359
» Thank you.
>> I've got one other thing.

2091
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:42,319
» Yes, sir. In the Supreme Court's ruling
in Shatri versus the United States, they

2092
02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:47,680
did say that the geo fencing with the
cell phones did impend on his Fourth

2093
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:53,840
Amendment rights. And therefore, every
other case using geo fencing is now

2094
02:48:50,720 --> 02:49:00,640
under direct review every case in the
nation. If we continue to use these

2095
02:48:57,520 --> 02:49:05,680
flock cameras and the Supreme Court does
in turn rule later on down the road, a

2096
02:49:03,120 --> 02:49:09,279
year or two maybe, that they do violate
the Fourth Amendment of the

2097
02:49:06,880 --> 02:49:16,160
Constitution, then every case pending
review would be under direct review. And

2098
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:20,399
if we only have evidence based on using
the flot cameras, we could miss out on

2099
02:49:18,479 --> 02:49:24,720
convicting some bad guys.
>> No, sir. That's I understand what you're

2100
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:31,439
saying but that's where our policy and
uh our what we direct our users to use

2101
02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:37,520
uh if a if we get an alert then we have
to verify that before we take any

2102
02:49:33,439 --> 02:49:42,080
enforcement action. So it is not just
immediately that car hits a camera and

2103
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:46,560
we stop it. Law enforcement verifies
that that is indeed the tag that's

2104
02:49:44,240 --> 02:49:51,200
displayed on the vehicle. whatever alert
that law enforcement was alerted to and

2105
02:49:48,319 --> 02:49:54,880
then the enforcement action takes place.
>> Well, you could say the same thing about

2106
02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:58,240
Shatry versus the United States, but it
didn't go that way. He ended up getting

2107
02:49:56,479 --> 02:50:00,960
off on his conviction because of the
geoencing,

2108
02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:06,080
» right? But the this camera does not have
the it's not geoencing per se.

2109
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:12,080
» Yeah, geo fencing was in that particular
case, I read through it was the law

2110
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:17,760
enforcement agency at that time, they
contacted cell phones.

2111
02:50:13,680 --> 02:50:24,319
» Yep. to get a broad range of who was
there at that time. That is geo fencing.

2112
02:50:22,319 --> 02:50:27,520
» And that that would be an invasion of
privacy for everybody's cell phone that

2113
02:50:25,840 --> 02:50:31,680
was there who was not involved with the
situation.

2114
02:50:29,200 --> 02:50:34,880
» Well, these cameras monitor every
license plate whether they're involved

2115
02:50:33,279 --> 02:50:39,920
in a criminal thing or not.
>> Yeah. But like you saying too, you're

2116
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:43,680
only looking for the you're not looking
you're not reading every individual

2117
02:50:41,439 --> 02:50:46,160
camera to go. I mean every tag that goes
through there,

2118
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:47,520
» right? We It's physically impossible.
Yes, sir.

2119
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:51,120
» Yeah.
>> So, I got just one quick like

2120
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:53,279
procedurally I'm I'm going to do a what
if with you sir.

2121
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:58,080
» So, I'm sitting at home.
>> Mary Ellen steals my truck.

2122
02:50:55,680 --> 02:51:02,000
» She drives out of Wes because she's you
know and I've reported it stolen.

2123
02:51:01,600 --> 02:51:06,240
» Yes, sir.
>> Now, Wes is only one road in, one road

2124
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:12,399
out. Uh, it's part of the beauty of it.
It's also a bad thing. But it's one road

2125
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:16,560
in, one road out. And she rides by that.
Does it does when she rides by and it

2126
02:51:14,640 --> 02:51:22,160
reads my tag? And I've reported it
stolen at this point. Does it alert the

2127
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:26,560
officers on duty? Does it alert the
administrators? Does how does that is

2128
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:29,520
somebody on patrol? Let's say one of
your guys is sitting at the uh the

2129
02:51:28,160 --> 02:51:33,279
wedding venue up on the corner.
>> Yes, sir.

2130
02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:36,640
» Right. Just past I think the camera.
Does does he get an alert and then does

2131
02:51:35,120 --> 02:51:40,960
he pull out and then pull that vehicle
over? I know you said there's some time

2132
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:45,840
involved a lot of times with or or is it
a where it's a serious thing like a

2133
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:50,560
autotheft or if you're looking for a
murder? I mean like what is the what is

2134
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:56,160
the procedural how how do you go about
doing that? Just to use your scenario,

2135
02:51:53,600 --> 02:52:00,800
if a deputy is indeed in that spot, he's
logged into he or she's logged into

2136
02:51:57,920 --> 02:52:04,000
flock and receives that alert, they in
turn know that that vehicle's coming in

2137
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:09,200
their direction unless it would to turn
off before them. Right? So, as soon as

2138
02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:12,720
that vehicle that has the description of
the alert that comes past them, they're

2139
02:52:10,880 --> 02:52:16,240
able to observe it physically. They
would then get behind that vehicle,

2140
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:19,600
verify that that was indeed the stolen
vehicle, and then conduct enforcement

2141
02:52:18,560 --> 02:52:23,200
action. Yes, sir.
>> Okay. I was just wondering procedurally

2142
02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:26,640
how how it would work if you guys are
given alerts or if you're in there just

2143
02:52:24,880 --> 02:52:29,920
searching. Um,
>> no, that's the that's the distinct

2144
02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:34,160
difference between the 70 users that are
able to uh that have accounts with Flock

2145
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:37,120
and the 29 that
>> the 29 can search 70 get alerts

2146
02:52:36,479 --> 02:52:40,000
regardless,
>> right? All of our patrol deputies, the

2147
02:52:38,640 --> 02:52:43,359
guy that are working, the guys and girls
that are working routine patrol, they're

2148
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:48,240
logged into the database and our
telecommunicators are logged in just to

2149
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:51,840
receive alerts for specific incidences
like that.

2150
02:52:50,479 --> 02:52:54,000
Okay. I have more questions.
>> Yes, ma'am.

2151
02:52:52,479 --> 02:52:57,760
» Absolutely. [clears throat]
>> Who controls the placement of the

2152
02:52:55,439 --> 02:53:00,800
cameras? Who decides where they go?
>> We as an agency decided where to place

2153
02:53:00,160 --> 02:53:06,640
them.
>> Okay. Um

2154
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:11,680
and
someone mentioned I heard someone

2155
02:53:08,399 --> 02:53:14,880
mention Palunteer, which I quickly
looked up is a software company because

2156
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:19,439
I never heard of it.
>> Is that the software that's being used

2157
02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:24,000
for these cameras? These guys might
would know that better than I do, right?

2158
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:29,200
We we pay for flock safety. It is a
vendor. We have no allegiance to that

2159
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:33,040
vendor whatsoever. Uh
are they using that technology that's

2160
02:53:31,439 --> 02:53:36,960
basically big brother and everybody's
concerned? They [clears throat] may be.

2161
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:41,600
I'm not going to say that they're not,
but I can tell you that they don't have

2162
02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:46,160
access to the information that's in our
cameras. It takes a law enforcement

2163
02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:51,520
officer to be able to have access to
these cameras. So even the salesman's

2164
02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:57,120
that that came in to brief us on the
system, they can't see any of our what

2165
02:53:54,960 --> 02:54:01,040
our cameras are producing.
>> So if you But do you have to do software

2166
02:53:59,760 --> 02:54:04,880
updates?
>> The cameras are they automatically do

2167
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:08,479
updates
>> and but you don't you're not sure of

2168
02:54:06,399 --> 02:54:13,040
what software they're using for that?
>> No. M as far as I know it's just their

2169
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:15,439
their flock safety is
>> okay.

2170
02:54:13,359 --> 02:54:21,200
» Who's doing the updates? I have one more
question and actually this question is

2171
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:28,240
for Bobby. So if
what authority do the commissioners have

2172
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:32,080
in regulating how these use are used and
that would be just for unincorporated

2173
02:54:30,080 --> 02:54:35,279
DARE correct because we would not have
any authority over whether Southern

2174
02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:38,160
Shores Police Department allows theirs
or Kittyhawk allows theirs or mania or

2175
02:54:37,600 --> 02:54:43,200
whatever.
>> That would be correct. So we if we can't

2176
02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:47,840
say we're going to deflock deer county
and all of them are gone, it would only

2177
02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:50,160
be the 14 that the sheriff's department
is using

2178
02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:52,160
» unincorporated there.
>> Okay. I just want to make that

2179
02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:54,640
distinction.
>> Let me take it.

2180
02:54:52,960 --> 02:55:02,319
» We're making a decision on the 14.
>> Let me take it a step further.

2181
02:54:58,319 --> 02:55:11,920
» We funded these cameras in 2020 2014 in
a consent agenda item. Do we in fact

2182
02:55:07,439 --> 02:55:15,920
have the authority to
Well, we have the authority to rescend

2183
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:19,840
the funding for those. I'm sure I'm
positive of that. Correct.

2184
02:55:18,319 --> 02:55:22,640
» So, you've got a contract. I don't have
it in front of me because I don't know

2185
02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:27,520
what it says right now, but you've got a
contract that was approved and then

2186
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:32,000
after it's approved, it was gone through
the process and signed and went out. So,

2187
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:34,960
and then money was paid
>> for that contract.

2188
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:39,359
» Right. So that contract is in effect
until it expires or until if there's

2189
02:55:37,359 --> 02:55:44,479
termination provisions in there until
you comply with the termination

2190
02:55:40,880 --> 02:55:49,120
provisions. So in terms of getting money
back or those kind of things, I'm not

2191
02:55:46,240 --> 02:55:53,840
sure what we can do there. In terms of
turning the camera off and not using it,

2192
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:58,800
then that has nothing to do with the
contract. If you directed that and the

2193
02:55:56,720 --> 02:56:03,680
sheriff did that, then the cameras are
off and then it would be between us and

2194
02:56:02,080 --> 02:56:06,399
flock whether we got any of the money
back or whether we just had to eat the

2195
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:11,359
balance of the contract.
>> And I and I understand that um perhaps

2196
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:16,640
maybe you didn't understand the
question. Um

2197
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:21,200
we cut the funding, we terminate
whatever

2198
02:56:18,319 --> 02:56:26,960
there is with the contract with the uh
person we have the contract with.

2199
02:56:24,160 --> 02:56:30,800
We don't fully manage the sheriff's
department's budget.

2200
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:36,560
» No, sir.
>> If we if we did away with those, what's

2201
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:41,200
to prevent the sheriff from taking
looking at other avenues in his

2202
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:46,560
department to fund those cameras and
keep those cameras rolling? So the

2203
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:53,600
sheriff is a unique department among
county departments and the sheriff has

2204
02:56:49,840 --> 02:56:57,600
control over how he operates his pro his
department. He can hire and fire whether

2205
02:56:55,920 --> 02:57:03,200
I agree or don't agree, whether you
agree and don't agree. Um he has to do

2206
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:07,680
some things in line with us. He can't
spend more money than we give him. But

2207
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:12,640
within his budget, if he moves money
around, he has the authority to change

2208
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:18,479
his budget within the constraints of
what we do other than salaries and

2209
02:57:16,080 --> 02:57:22,479
benefits because he's agreed to be
they're a part of our salary and benefit

2210
02:57:20,319 --> 02:57:26,319
plan and so they have to comply with the
rules of the salary and benefit plans.

2211
02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:31,439
So the that's a longwinded answer to
your question is conceivably if the

2212
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:37,359
sheriff chose to fund it another way he
could stop some other program he's doing

2213
02:57:34,399 --> 02:57:42,960
and direct those funds you know to
another place in his budget. The

2214
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:48,720
departments that we control if you
asking me about public works they could

2215
02:57:44,960 --> 02:57:52,640
not do that without my approval first
and then depending on what it was and

2216
02:57:50,479 --> 02:57:58,479
how big it was your approval.
>> Right. But my point being, we could

2217
02:57:56,160 --> 02:58:06,479
eliminate the funding. We could say
defock the cameras and if he chose to

2218
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:12,640
find other means in his budget to to
continue the use of those cameras, he

2219
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:16,880
could do so. Correct. Ultimately, our
our leverage, for lack of a better term,

2220
02:58:15,200 --> 02:58:20,479
with the sheriff's department is
funding. If the sheriff department

2221
02:58:18,720 --> 02:58:24,640
doesn't
act the way that you believe is

2222
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:30,399
appropriate, then you have the authority
to cut funding, uh it's constitutionally

2223
02:58:28,479 --> 02:58:34,479
you're required to have a sheriff and a
deputy and that's it. And so you have

2224
02:58:32,800 --> 02:58:39,040
complete control of the funding beyond
that.

2225
02:58:37,120 --> 02:58:44,319
» Are there ordinances or anything like
that that could be put in place that we

2226
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:52,080
could utilize to prevent them from being
>> um I don't know the answer to that. I'd

2227
02:58:46,800 --> 02:58:56,720
have to go look. Um I I mean my
experience has been through three

2228
02:58:54,080 --> 02:59:01,040
sheriffs and I have met with the
incoming sheriff and I would expect that

2229
02:58:58,479 --> 02:59:04,319
to remain is that we would work together
and if that was your will then I think

2230
02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:08,319
we would work it out with them. It would
be their will. So I I would I wouldn't

2231
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:10,479
expect that we would find ourselves in
that problem.

2232
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:12,880
» Tyler,
>> I can answer that. We're not going to be

2233
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:15,279
in a fight over that.
>> Yeah.

2234
02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:18,720
» You do what you do. We're going to go
along what you do. I I can't speak for

2235
02:59:17,600 --> 02:59:22,560
the other sheriff, but two of his men
are back there and uh I'm not sure

2236
02:59:21,120 --> 02:59:26,560
they'd want to answer that question for
him. I apologize. I should have been

2237
02:59:23,920 --> 02:59:31,200
standing up, but um you know, it is what
it is. I no reason for me to go against

2238
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:33,359
you. U you know, that's that's the way
we work. We've worked that way for 16

2239
02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:37,439
years.
>> Well, on changing that to tomorrow, the

2240
02:59:35,600 --> 02:59:42,080
next day. I got three months left. You
can't run me. So far,

2241
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:44,720
» I Doug, Doug, I knew the answer to that
before I ever asked it, but I needed to

2242
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:48,080
ask it.
>> I understand completely. Yes, sir. And I

2243
02:59:46,560 --> 02:59:49,680
hope you know that would have been my
what I said is what I

2244
02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:53,520
» Absolutely.
>> Yes, sir.

2245
02:59:50,960 --> 02:59:58,240
» Tyler, I've got a question. So, you've
heard the um concerns of the citizens.

2246
02:59:57,120 --> 03:00:03,279
» Yes, sir.
>> Um, is there any software out there

2247
03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:08,399
that's less intrusive than what we're
using right now?

2248
03:00:05,279 --> 03:00:12,160
We actually use this is the least
intrusive as far as this technology

2249
03:00:10,479 --> 03:00:18,479
goes.
There are some companies that can track

2250
03:00:14,479 --> 03:00:21,279
many things and uh that's a company that
makes profit, right? They create the

2251
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:26,800
latest and greatest to try and make
selling points, but we are at the least

2252
03:00:24,160 --> 03:00:31,120
intrusive measure as far as the Alpert
technology goes.

2253
03:00:28,479 --> 03:00:35,120
» And you said they did software updates.
uh they could not automatically do a

2254
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:39,840
software update that that made them more
intrusive than what you intended when

2255
03:00:37,680 --> 03:00:45,279
you bought the
>> correct. They have to operate within the

2256
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:48,479
law and they cannot uh review or obtain
the data.

2257
03:00:46,800 --> 03:00:51,359
» Okay.
Thanks.

2258
03:00:50,000 --> 03:00:55,520
» All right, board.
>> I have one last one for Tyler and for

2259
03:00:53,120 --> 03:01:00,640
Sheriff Dowy. One of the public speakers
mentioned that in their opinion this was

2260
03:00:58,560 --> 03:01:06,800
an egregious abuse of power and
rebellion is absolutely next and she

2261
03:01:04,800 --> 03:01:11,120
andor and I think I'm quoting it or
paraphrasing our boys are already with

2262
03:01:08,800 --> 03:01:15,279
sawzols which I didn't know what it was
but I've now learned

2263
03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:19,520
» he's not he's obviously not Tim the tool
man. [laughter]

2264
03:01:16,800 --> 03:01:24,720
» Uh that's correct and they will be going
out and sawing off the polls and the

2265
03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:30,720
cameras. Um,
I mean, we're trying to get to the right

2266
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:36,160
solution here. And I thought that was a
bit of a chilling threat to to do

2267
03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:41,359
something like that. And I'm not sure if
you guys heard it, but I sure did. And I

2268
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:44,000
wanted to emphasize the devil. Yes, sir.
>> Yeah, that's right. Called you the

2269
03:01:42,880 --> 03:01:49,040
devil.
>> Yeah. All right. That's not a question.

2270
03:01:47,040 --> 03:01:52,840
It's a comment that I didn't find very
helpful at all.

2271
03:01:53,120 --> 03:02:00,960
All right. Anyone else have any more
questions of Tyler or the sheriff or the

2272
03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:02,640
county manager?
>> Thank you, Tyler. You did.

2273
03:02:02,319 --> 03:02:07,279
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for your time. I appreciate

2274
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:14,359
» Thank you for your time. And truly, we
do respect your opinion. What you say

2275
03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:14,359
will go with us. I promise. Take care.

2276
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:23,439
Um,
>> I need my screen fixed here because I

2277
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:23,439
want to go to something.

2278
03:02:23,866 --> 03:02:28,359
» [snorts]
>> Go back to the agenda.

2279
03:02:53,359 --> 03:03:03,120
Okay, we're uh
>> we're uh certainly under u item six,

2280
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:10,560
flat cameras, and this was an
information presentation

2281
03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:17,760
by the sheriff and uh and Tyler Dowy.
I'm going to put this out there to the

2282
03:03:13,600 --> 03:03:24,399
board. Is the board prepared to take
some action today with respect to this

2283
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:28,160
presentation
and the concern they've heard from our

2284
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:29,359
citizens?
>> Yes.

2285
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:34,000
» Yes.
>> Okay.

2286
03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:38,000
» All right, Michael. Um, floor is yours.
>> Uh, do you need a motion or you just

2287
03:03:36,399 --> 03:03:40,240
discussion? You said you're prepared to
take action.

2288
03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:44,080
» You said you pretended to take action.
I'm looking for whatction.

2289
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:47,760
» Yeah.
E either what whichever way whatever you

2290
03:03:46,880 --> 03:03:50,720
what do you have on
>> do you want further discussion? Do you

2291
03:03:49,040 --> 03:03:57,279
want to hear more of my opinion or you
want to hear a motion directly?

2292
03:03:52,640 --> 03:04:01,760
» Okay. I'm I'm of the opinion. Um,
and this is is my view after uh

2293
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:06,160
everything that's been brought to my
attention, all of the reading I've done,

2294
03:04:03,359 --> 03:04:12,479
all the research I've done um here
lately involving this, it's it's a very

2295
03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:17,200
it's definitely something that will be
taken care of 100% at a much higher

2296
03:04:15,120 --> 03:04:21,520
level of government than us eventually.
I I I feel the Supreme Court's going to

2297
03:04:19,120 --> 03:04:26,399
be forced into ruling on it and I think
it's going to be at the top of their

2298
03:04:22,640 --> 03:04:30,160
agenda very very very soon. Um, until
then,

2299
03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:35,439
I don't feel it's in the best interest
of the public. I don't feel I feel it's

2300
03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:44,080
u intrusive.
Uh, I think it it fringes on taking our

2301
03:04:38,880 --> 03:04:50,000
freedom. Uh, and I'm not in favor of it
at all. U to the point that I'd be

2302
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:55,200
willing to make a motion to to remove
the cameras. 14

2303
03:04:52,160 --> 03:05:01,160
» 14 the ones that we control
as as the Derek County Sheriff's

2304
03:04:56,800 --> 03:05:01,160
Department and uninccorporated there.

2305
03:05:02,080 --> 03:05:07,920
» Okay. Um
looking for further comments from the

2306
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:14,319
board.
>> Well, we're probably two years out from

2307
03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:20,880
a North Carolina Supreme Court ruling on
these particular cameras. We might be a

2308
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:26,080
year out on federal ruling on these
cameras.

2309
03:05:22,720 --> 03:05:32,479
All that being said, it's a it's a very
slippery slope and with numerous

2310
03:05:30,560 --> 03:05:39,600
municipalities,
county councils and commissions, and now

2311
03:05:36,080 --> 03:05:46,640
even entire states getting rid of these
flop cameras. I believe it'd be an

2312
03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:52,399
opportune time to take
I have to respect the values of our

2313
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:57,200
constituents
and this is a bipartisan issue. I mean,

2314
03:05:55,200 --> 03:06:03,439
I've seen the news every day there is
prominent Democrats and prominent

2315
03:05:59,279 --> 03:06:08,880
Republicans alike all calling to get rid
of these flop cameras. And I believe

2316
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:16,800
that our Dare County law enforcement
did a beyond excellent job before we had

2317
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:23,279
flot cameras. and I think they'll do a
beyond excellent job without them.

2318
03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:27,680
I I just I firmly believe it's a
slippery slope and we don't know I know

2319
03:06:26,160 --> 03:06:31,840
what our sheriff's department's going to
do with the information. They're going

2320
03:06:29,359 --> 03:06:35,040
to do a good job. What I don't know is
what flock safety is going to do with

2321
03:06:33,680 --> 03:06:39,279
the information because they know
doubtably they undoubtedly have access

2322
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:44,960
to all the cameras and all the
information. There's no way they don't.

2323
03:06:42,720 --> 03:06:50,479
It's their technology. It's their data
centers. Everything is ran through their

2324
03:06:48,479 --> 03:06:55,600
software program.
It's it's not an independent county

2325
03:06:52,800 --> 03:07:02,800
software program. It's part of a
national network that

2326
03:06:59,439 --> 03:07:07,520
it's a very it it constitutionally I'm
not a Supreme Court justice. didn't go

2327
03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:12,000
to law school,
but I was able to talk to a superior

2328
03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:16,560
former superior court judge for about
four hours this weekend about this

2329
03:07:14,800 --> 03:07:22,240
particular issue knowing it was coming
up on our agenda. And like I said, it is

2330
03:07:20,000 --> 03:07:26,960
a slippery slope because of the wide
view angles of the cameras. They do

2331
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:32,000
access into per people's private
property that's beside the roadside and

2332
03:07:29,920 --> 03:07:36,880
they do it does
>> promote a potential property rights

2333
03:07:34,880 --> 03:07:42,479
issue which is protected under the
fourth amendment of the constitution and

2334
03:07:39,279 --> 03:07:47,920
with entire states now getting rid of
it. I feel like it'd be the safe

2335
03:07:45,359 --> 03:07:51,359
decision to get rid of them now. And if
the Supreme Court rules in the future

2336
03:07:49,760 --> 03:07:57,840
that they do not violate the
Constitution and that they are

2337
03:07:55,120 --> 03:08:03,200
in no violation of the Fourth Amendment,
then maybe at that point in time, I'd be

2338
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:08,479
open to renewing the contract with a
particular ALPR. But until the Supreme

2339
03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:13,359
Court rules on it, obviously we've got a
lot of constituents, bipartisan

2340
03:08:10,880 --> 03:08:18,160
constituents from both sides of the
aisle, which is very unique.

2341
03:08:16,240 --> 03:08:21,439
Uh I believe it'd be in the best
interest of this board to potentially

2342
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:29,560
take action. Obviously, I value all of
your opinions as well.

2343
03:08:24,240 --> 03:08:29,560
» Thank you, Commissioner. Anyone else?

2344
03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:36,160
» Yeah, I do. I just have a Yes, sir.
Commissioner

2345
03:08:34,640 --> 03:08:41,600
Yeah, we did hear a lot of public
comment today. Much of it was um

2346
03:08:39,760 --> 03:08:46,640
recently presented, which I thank you.
I'm looking at one gentleman here in the

2347
03:08:43,279 --> 03:08:52,880
front row uh with cohesive arguments. We
heard hyperbolic accusations of us

2348
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:56,960
lining our pockets up here and stalking
children and whatnot. Then we heard a

2349
03:08:55,439 --> 03:09:02,399
fact-based
u fairly unemotional presentation from

2350
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:06,720
the sheriff's group that explained what
it was, what it wasn't, how it's a tool.

2351
03:09:05,040 --> 03:09:13,040
It's one of many tools that law
enforcement uses. And that the one group

2352
03:09:10,240 --> 03:09:17,600
that we didn't hear from because there's
only a few of them were the victims that

2353
03:09:15,279 --> 03:09:22,399
might have gotten their car back or
gotten the the suspect involved in

2354
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:26,160
whatever crime they were pursuing
because there's not many of them. They

2355
03:09:23,920 --> 03:09:32,880
won't come to the meeting and thump on
the rost room here like many of uh you

2356
03:09:30,560 --> 03:09:40,160
all did today.
Unfortunately though uh it appears that

2357
03:09:37,439 --> 03:09:45,040
this tool although I believe what the
sheriff's told us that has not been

2358
03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:51,520
abused has not been misused has been re
very very um restricted is still viewed

2359
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:56,720
as an egregious overstep
by our government.

2360
03:09:53,680 --> 03:10:02,240
And as such,
I um I'm kind of with you all that we

2361
03:09:59,760 --> 03:10:09,120
are listening to our constituents.
And um I'm prepared to again with Mr.

2362
03:10:05,359 --> 03:10:13,920
Bur, Commissioner Bur uh agreed to and I
would think shut off the cameras before

2363
03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:17,680
we take them down because I also agree
this is going to go much higher either

2364
03:10:15,840 --> 03:10:24,080
to the state legislature, the US
Congress and or the Supreme Court

2365
03:10:19,760 --> 03:10:29,120
because it is a nationwide issue. So,
I would make a motion now that we

2366
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:33,840
effective immediately turn off the
cameras, which again does not infringe

2367
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:39,520
on the contract if I understood, county
manager. But it uh

2368
03:10:36,399 --> 03:10:43,920
» the contract all it requires us to do is
to pay them the money and we have done

2369
03:10:41,840 --> 03:10:47,439
that. So whether we turn them off, take
them down, whatever. Right.

2370
03:10:45,279 --> 03:10:50,720
» The issue would be what happens with
>> Okay.

2371
03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:55,200
» Yeah. if we can terminate the contract
and it save us money. Now, if the

2372
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:59,840
contract is a lot
>> before we have discussion, there's a

2373
03:10:56,960 --> 03:11:05,840
motion on the floor and I need a second
in order to continue the conversation.

2374
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:10,160
» Is there a second? I'll second it.
>> I think there's two though because Mike

2375
03:11:07,760 --> 03:11:11,680
said to remove them and Rob is saying to
turn them off.

2376
03:11:10,640 --> 03:11:14,479
» Mike didn't make a motion.
>> I didn't hear a motion.

2377
03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:18,560
I said I'd be willing to
>> I'm sorry. My bad. There's a motion on

2378
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:22,479
the floor. [clears throat]
>> Commissioner Ross and I've second it.

2379
03:11:20,560 --> 03:11:25,600
Now the floor is back open for
discussion.

2380
03:11:24,319 --> 03:11:32,000
Commissioner Karief,
>> I'd make a separate motion to

2381
03:11:29,760 --> 03:11:36,000
I guess the proper term would be to
request

2382
03:11:33,520 --> 03:11:41,120
that the sheriff's department terminate
the contract with Flock Safety.

2383
03:11:39,520 --> 03:11:45,040
» Is that correct? That would be that
would be an amendment to the motion. You

2384
03:11:42,960 --> 03:11:48,720
» either have to amend it or rule
>> you would have to

2385
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:54,080
or you would have to ask the maker of
the motion to restate that motion to

2386
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:56,640
that effect.
>> Rob, would you be willing to restate

2387
03:11:56,000 --> 03:12:01,359
that motion?
>> I need a clarification. Are we paying a

2388
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:05,120
monthly lease or fee for these cameras
or were they a onetime purchase

2389
03:12:02,880 --> 03:12:09,359
acquisition?
>> If it's an ongoing lease or fee, then I

2390
03:12:07,359 --> 03:12:12,880
would agree. There's a software license
that we're paying

2391
03:12:10,000 --> 03:12:16,319
» that we paid monthly monthly.
>> I think we It looks like we paid it.

2392
03:12:14,720 --> 03:12:19,760
» Well, let's let's wait until we get the
answer.

2393
03:12:17,040 --> 03:12:20,800
» Do we have an answer?
>> Uh

2394
03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:26,720
» oh.
>> Comes here comes Here comes Jeff.

2395
03:12:25,120 --> 03:12:30,319
» Good morning, Mr. Mr. Commissioner.
>> Come on up so that Yeah.

2396
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:34,240
» Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Mr.
Commissioners, Mr. Do you wish comment

2397
03:12:32,880 --> 03:12:38,479
from me?
>> We got Can you answer their question?

2398
03:12:36,080 --> 03:12:43,600
» Can you answer the question? I can. Yes,
sir.

2399
03:12:39,600 --> 03:12:50,319
» Uh, flock cameras are leased.
It is an annual contract

2400
03:12:46,479 --> 03:12:54,960
and it's per camera with one contract of
the total 14.

2401
03:12:52,479 --> 03:12:57,040
» When is the contract up?
>> Annually.

2402
03:12:55,760 --> 03:13:00,160
» So, we'd have to renew.
>> Oh, I I I'd have to pull it. I I don't

2403
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:04,800
know exactly.
>> We've paid the fee. The cameras are up.

2404
03:13:02,240 --> 03:13:08,880
It's paid once annually. Terminating the
contract doesn't do anything. It's the

2405
03:13:07,200 --> 03:13:13,840
use of the camera that I heard being
expressed. So if the cameras were no

2406
03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:16,800
longer being used,
>> so we still have to pay them. We still

2407
03:13:15,200 --> 03:13:19,279
have to pay the money.
>> That's what I'm trying to ask for.

2408
03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:22,960
» That's what we're trying to ask.
>> If there's an annual contract, the

2409
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:28,399
annual fee has already been paid. So
Flock has their money, releasing the

2410
03:13:25,439 --> 03:13:32,399
cameras. Taking them down would be
problematic because we don't we'd have

2411
03:13:30,399 --> 03:13:36,960
to ask them to take them down. Turning
them off just means the sheriff doesn't

2412
03:13:34,239 --> 03:13:42,319
use them. Um, but the fee has been paid
for the annual thing. If if we either

2413
03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:46,479
had them taken down or removed, they
wouldn't be used when the contract

2414
03:13:44,319 --> 03:13:52,960
expired. We wouldn't renew it unless you
chose to renew it.

2415
03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:59,160
» I got I got a question. Um,
and turn the cameras off and leave them

2416
03:13:55,840 --> 03:13:59,160
on the post.

2417
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:05,439
I can already feel
>> that the public does not trust us.

2418
03:14:03,520 --> 03:14:08,479
» Right. That's why I said take them down.
>> That's exactly right.

2419
03:14:07,359 --> 03:14:10,560
» Total transparency.
>> Yeah.

2420
03:14:08,960 --> 03:14:11,279
» Total transparency. I say take them
down.

2421
03:14:11,040 --> 03:14:13,600
» Yes.
>> I agree.

2422
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:15,680
» Can I say this? We're going to take it
down.

2423
03:14:14,640 --> 03:14:18,479
» Leave the camera up. Camera ain't going
to be there.

2424
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:20,239
» Yeah. Exactly.
>> Exactly.

2425
03:14:18,800 --> 03:14:22,399
» And then we're looking for it.
>> Coming down. You say, we're going to

2426
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:23,920
take it down.
>> Yeah.

2427
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:26,319
» There we go.
>> Because then we would be on the hook for

2428
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:31,439
the camera.
>> All right. U Rod, would you

2429
03:14:28,880 --> 03:14:35,600
» I will modify the motion to remove the
cameras.

2430
03:14:33,680 --> 03:14:40,000
as soon as practical, as soon as
possible.

2431
03:14:36,160 --> 03:14:44,000
» And as a second, I will second that um
amendment to the motion.

2432
03:14:41,920 --> 03:14:48,239
» Floor again once again is open for
discussion.

2433
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:53,200
» No further comment from me.
>> Call the vote.

2434
03:14:48,800 --> 03:14:59,840
» Uh well, I'll call the vote, but
how soon can we can we can we do this in

2435
03:14:57,680 --> 03:15:02,560
x number of days? Sheriff,
>> give me two weeks.

2436
03:15:01,120 --> 03:15:05,040
» Two weeks. Yes, sir.
>> All right.

2437
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:07,760
» And that's not that's just to make sure
that we can do it and the company knows

2438
03:15:07,040 --> 03:15:11,840
what we're doing.
>> I understand.

2439
03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:16,160
» All right. With that being said, those
in favor of the motion, please signify

2440
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:22,239
by saying I
>> I oppose like motion carries unanimous.

2441
03:15:19,520 --> 03:15:28,600
» Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, you you
voted to amend the motion. You got to

2442
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:28,600
now [applause] vote again on the

2443
03:15:29,439 --> 03:15:34,960
» Hold on. Hold on. We voted on the
amendment. Now we have to vote.

2444
03:15:32,960 --> 03:15:37,840
» You voted to allow the amendment and now
you have to vote on the what's now the

2445
03:15:37,359 --> 03:15:42,160
motion.
>> That's right.

2446
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:45,760
» Um you care to restate that motion for
us, Bobby. So the public

2447
03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:50,319
» Well, the motion now as amended is the
motion is to remove the flock cameras,

2448
03:15:47,840 --> 03:15:55,680
» right? That's correct. All right. All
those in favor of that motion, please

2449
03:15:52,319 --> 03:16:01,370
signify by saying I oppose like sign.
Motion carries unanimous.

2450
03:15:59,351 --> 03:16:01,370
» [applause]

2451
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:08,399
» before you adjourn for lunch.
>> Yeah,

2452
03:16:06,319 --> 03:16:12,080
» there's two short items. We could run
those two people out of here before

2453
03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:16,319
lunch if you allow that. Number number
seven and number 10. So, we want to run

2454
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:21,120
seven and 10 out of here. Okay.
>> I I I agree. Those poor people.

2455
03:16:18,479 --> 03:16:25,920
» We can we can do that. Item seven.
>> All right. Um the first one she says is

2456
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:30,479
five minutes. This is a number seven is
a proclamation for smart start month and

2457
03:16:28,399 --> 03:16:34,560
diaper need awareness. And I'll turn
that over to you Sarah.

2458
03:16:32,756 --> 03:16:39,760
[clears throat]
But before we bring u

2459
03:16:37,760 --> 03:16:44,800
uh
Carla and Sarah up here, for those of

2460
03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:50,880
you that spoke this morning concerning
the flight cameras,

2461
03:16:46,960 --> 03:16:57,840
I hope and pray that you will be u
addressing your concerns with the six

2462
03:16:53,439 --> 03:17:02,000
municipalities in Dare County
>> that operate 36 other cameras. Sarah,

2463
03:17:00,720 --> 03:17:07,359
» I believe it's 34.
>> Carla, you you guys are up. Ladies are

2464
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:10,399
up. Excuse me.
>> Good afternoon, commissioners.

2465
03:17:08,800 --> 03:17:14,319
» Good afternoon.
>> Thank you for the opportunity to be here

2466
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:18,479
today. Uh, I'm Sarah Samson, the
executive director of Children and Youth

2467
03:17:16,239 --> 03:17:24,960
Partnership, and I'm here with Carla
Heard, our um, education and evaluation

2468
03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:30,359
program manager. We do have a slideshow
that we ask that you put on the screen

2469
03:17:26,880 --> 03:17:30,359
for us, please.

2470
03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:37,040
It's okay.
>> It's hard to believe it's September

2471
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:42,160
already and today is September 1st. Um
September is Smart Start Month and we

2472
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:46,319
wanted to take a moment to share what
Smart Start means here in Dair County

2473
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:51,640
and how we at Children and Youth
Partnership are part of that statewide

2474
03:17:48,640 --> 03:17:51,640
effort.

2475
03:17:51,680 --> 03:17:58,319
I would like to start with a short video
and gives a little bit of information

2476
03:17:56,399 --> 03:18:04,439
about SmartStart and the difference this
network is making for young children and

2477
03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:04,439
families in North Carolina.

2478
03:18:10,960 --> 03:18:13,960
Got

2479
03:18:14,479 --> 03:18:18,640
it.
>> Got it.

2480
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:23,880
» Yeah. Thank you.
>> Amen. I couldn't agree more. I couldn't

2481
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:23,880
agree more.

2482
03:18:24,479 --> 03:18:29,239
» I did not want to go down that road, but

2483
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:47,160
Okay, sorry.

2484
03:18:48,239 --> 03:18:51,479
Got it.

2485
03:19:05,372 --> 03:19:07,392
» [laughter]

2486
03:19:26,720 --> 03:19:32,520
» I think we're the seventh county in
North Carolina to do that.

2487
03:19:35,279 --> 03:19:38,600
Time will tell

2488
03:19:51,439 --> 03:19:55,479
a bad thing. We'll see.

2489
03:20:07,040 --> 03:20:13,920
From your first night home to their
first day of school, the Smart Start

2490
03:20:11,840 --> 03:20:18,000
Network is there for families like
yours. Whether you're looking for child

2491
03:20:15,920 --> 03:20:22,640
care, parenting support, early learning
opportunities or health resources, Smart

2492
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:26,800
Start connects you to [music] free and
local resources. And with local

2493
03:20:24,479 --> 03:20:30,640
partnerships serving every county, help
is closer than you think. For [music]

2494
03:20:28,720 --> 03:20:36,520
over 30 years, North Carolina families
have trusted SmartStart. Find out why at

2495
03:20:33,520 --> 03:20:36,520
smartstart.org.

2496
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:44,960
» So, as you just saw, SmartStart is a
statewide effort focused on giving young

2497
03:20:43,120 --> 03:20:49,120
children the strong foundation they need
to thrive. We at Children and Youth

2498
03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:53,840
Partnership for Dair County are proud to
be part of that network as a local Smart

2499
03:20:51,680 --> 03:20:58,239
Start partnership. Here in our
community, we bring that mission to life

2500
03:20:55,520 --> 03:21:02,319
by providing programs and services,
connections that support young children,

2501
03:21:00,160 --> 03:21:07,680
their families, and our early childhood
educators. Some examples include the

2502
03:21:05,040 --> 03:21:13,760
Triple P positive parenting program,
which gives parents practical strategies

2503
03:21:09,920 --> 03:21:18,160
and tools for raising confident, healthy
children in our Kaleidoscope play

2504
03:21:16,160 --> 03:21:23,120
groups, where young children and their
caregivers can learn, play, and build

2505
03:21:20,239 --> 03:21:28,080
connections. and Dolly Parton's
Imagination Library, which puts books

2506
03:21:25,840 --> 03:21:33,680
directly in the hands of young children
and help foster a love of reading from

2507
03:21:30,160 --> 03:21:38,239
an early age. We also provide resources
and support to our childcare providers

2508
03:21:36,080 --> 03:21:43,040
and connect families with services to
help them navigate the challenges of

2509
03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:46,960
raising young children. Our mission is
to make sure that children, families,

2510
03:21:45,200 --> 03:21:50,800
and educators in our community have what
they need to thrive. And when we invest

2511
03:21:49,279 --> 03:21:56,600
in young children and the people who
care for them, the whole community

2512
03:21:53,600 --> 03:21:56,600
benefits.

2513
03:21:58,239 --> 03:22:03,840
September is Smart Start Month and we'll
kind of wrap up our presentation later

2514
03:22:01,760 --> 03:22:08,479
with that proclamation, but it is a time
for us to celebrate all the people that

2515
03:22:06,479 --> 03:22:13,359
are part of this work. That could be
early childhood professionals, families,

2516
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:17,840
community partners, volunteers, and
everyone who contributes to the strong

2517
03:22:15,760 --> 03:22:21,520
foundation for young children. this
year. We're really excited. We have a

2518
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:28,560
special event coming up and we invite
you to join us on Tuesday, September

2519
03:22:25,120 --> 03:22:32,880
15th at 10:00 a.m. for a special ribbon
cutting ceremony [laughter] and open

2520
03:22:30,640 --> 03:22:39,040
house uh at Children Youth Partnership.
We have a ribbon cutting for our new uh

2521
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:42,720
outdoor learning environment. This new
space is a wonderful addition and it's

2522
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:47,680
going to give children another
opportunity to learn, play, and connect

2523
03:22:45,600 --> 03:22:51,840
with it outdoors.
This amazing space was made possible

2524
03:22:50,000 --> 03:22:56,720
through the generosity and support of
the First Flight Rotary Club and among

2525
03:22:54,800 --> 03:23:01,680
many other community partners, including
the Garage Band Charities. And we are

2526
03:22:59,359 --> 03:23:06,399
incredible grateful for the community
support that helped us make this vision

2527
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:10,880
a reality. And following the ribbon
cutting at 10, we're going to do an open

2528
03:23:08,479 --> 03:23:15,760
house at our office. Everyone will be
welcome to stay and play in the outdoor

2529
03:23:13,760 --> 03:23:20,479
learning environment, check out our
playroom, our lending library, and meet

2530
03:23:18,160 --> 03:23:25,359
with our staff to learn more about the
programs and services that we provide.

2531
03:23:23,040 --> 03:23:31,040
We would love for you to join us.
Parking is limited, and we encourage

2532
03:23:27,520 --> 03:23:34,640
everyone to carpool. Um, and with that,
um, while we're celebrating the many

2533
03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:38,239
things and the support that we do
provide to children and families in our

2534
03:23:36,399 --> 03:23:41,920
community, there's another important
need in our community that we want to

2535
03:23:40,479 --> 03:23:46,319
highlight today. So, I'm going to hand
it over to Carla, who will talk about

2536
03:23:44,319 --> 03:23:49,840
diaper need awareness and the work of
our diaper bank.

2537
03:23:48,319 --> 03:23:53,760
» Good afternoon, commissioners. Thank you
for having us today. As Sarah mentioned,

2538
03:23:51,760 --> 03:23:58,160
I'm here to talk about CYP's diaper bank
and diaper need awareness week. So,

2539
03:23:55,920 --> 03:24:02,640
picture this. You're home with your
brand new baby doing everything that you

2540
03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:06,800
can to make ends meet and to make sure
that baby's needs are met. The diapers

2541
03:24:05,040 --> 03:24:11,279
from your baby shower seem like a great
start, but babies have a surprising way

2542
03:24:08,720 --> 03:24:14,960
of going through diapers really quickly.
You realize that you're on your last

2543
03:24:12,960 --> 03:24:18,479
package from your baby shower and you
don't have it in the budget to be able

2544
03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:22,319
to make another trip to the store. For
parents already trying to stretch every

2545
03:24:20,560 --> 03:24:26,399
dollar, something as essential as a
clean diaper can become a real source of

2546
03:24:24,399 --> 03:24:30,560
stress for them. And for far too many
families, that's a challenge that they

2547
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:34,479
face on a regular basis. And that's
where CYP's diaper bank comes in. Each

2548
03:24:32,960 --> 03:24:38,160
month on the second Tuesday and
Wednesday of the month at our office in

2549
03:24:36,080 --> 03:24:41,680
Mano, we hold a diaper pickup for
families to be able to come and pick up

2550
03:24:39,760 --> 03:24:46,160
diapers. they can come and pick up two
packs of diapers for free to help

2551
03:24:43,279 --> 03:24:52,160
support their diaper need. During just
our diaper pickup events over the past

2552
03:24:48,399 --> 03:24:57,200
year, we served 135 families monthly and
we had a high of 157 families in just

2553
03:24:54,960 --> 03:25:03,359
one month. So during the past year, we
distributed over 3,500 packs of diapers

2554
03:25:00,399 --> 03:25:09,479
to families. That's about 90,000 diaper
changes for the better in our community.

2555
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:09,479
1,800

2556
03:25:09,520 --> 03:25:16,080
» 3,500 packs of diapers. 1,800. That's
not unduplicated. So

2557
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:18,880
» they some might duplicated. Yeah, that
is duplicated. Yes.

2558
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:22,960
» Okay. Thank god. I was about to We don't
have that many. [laughter]

2559
03:25:19,600 --> 03:25:26,239
» 30% of childbearing families are okay.
>> We do have new people coming every

2560
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:30,160
month, but a lot of our families utilize
that as a resource on a regular basis.

2561
03:25:28,479 --> 03:25:33,920
Uh but none of this would be possible
without our community and their support

2562
03:25:31,840 --> 03:25:37,600
as CYP's diaper bank is a community
funded program through the donation of

2563
03:25:35,760 --> 03:25:42,319
diapers and the donation of funds to
support the purchase of those diapers.

2564
03:25:40,000 --> 03:25:46,239
So last year you all made a meaningful
investment in CYP's diaper bank with a

2565
03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:50,880
generous donation to support the
purchase of diapers. And that support

2566
03:25:48,399 --> 03:25:54,640
went a tremendous way helping us to
provide approximately [clears throat]

2567
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:58,479
75,000 diapers over the past year. And
we cannot thank you enough for that

2568
03:25:56,479 --> 03:26:02,080
support last year.
As I mentioned before, diaper need

2569
03:26:00,160 --> 03:26:08,880
awareness week is fast approaching,
happening on September 14th through the

2570
03:26:04,399 --> 03:26:12,560
20th. Hold on, I'm ahead of myself.
Happening on September 14th through the

2571
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:16,720
20th this year, diaper need awareness
week is a time to raise awareness about

2572
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:21,279
diaper need within the community as well
as to encourage community involvement

2573
03:26:18,800 --> 03:26:24,640
around diaper need. So during diaper
need awareness week, we'll have several

2574
03:26:22,720 --> 03:26:29,120
drop off points for diapers within the
community. And those drop off points are

2575
03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:32,160
listed here on the slide. And as we
spread the word about diaper need across

2576
03:26:30,720 --> 03:26:36,080
the community, we appreciate your
willingness to proclaim the week of

2577
03:26:34,239 --> 03:26:40,160
September 14th through the 20th as
diaper needed awareness week as well as

2578
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:44,800
the month of September as Smart Start
Month in Dare County. And we welcome any

2579
03:26:42,319 --> 03:26:49,840
questions you may have.
>> All right. Does anybody have any

2580
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:54,080
questions [laughter] of uh Sarah or
Carl?

2581
03:26:50,960 --> 03:26:57,200
» I I have a just a quick question. So, um
so

2582
03:26:54,960 --> 03:27:00,640
» that's diaper need awareness week during
that week and everybody's going to be

2583
03:26:58,880 --> 03:27:04,640
encouraged to come out and give. But
let's say like throughout the course of

2584
03:27:02,000 --> 03:27:07,840
the year um because I'm a lifelong
bachelor. I wouldn't know a first thing

2585
03:27:06,160 --> 03:27:11,600
about a diaper.
>> What would [laughter]

2586
03:27:09,840 --> 03:27:14,560
what would somebody do if they were so
inclined to come out and give? Would

2587
03:27:12,960 --> 03:27:17,600
they give a monetary donation? Would
they buy the diapers and drop them by a

2588
03:27:16,239 --> 03:27:21,040
location throughout the course of the
year? How do you accept those donations?

2589
03:27:19,680 --> 03:27:24,080
» We have both of those things happening.
A lot of time we have a place on our

2590
03:27:22,399 --> 03:27:28,319
website where people are able to go and
give on our website specifically to

2591
03:27:25,840 --> 03:27:32,080
support CYP's diaper bank or we've had
people that drop off um I don't know if

2592
03:27:30,239 --> 03:27:35,760
library people are here but on a regular
basis we have a patron that comes to

2593
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:41,200
drop off diapers at the library and they
then get them to us. They can drop them

2594
03:27:37,920 --> 03:27:44,800
off to us at our office. Um and then uh
business-wise you can hold a diaper

2595
03:27:43,040 --> 03:27:49,439
drive. We actually Nags Head Church just
recently held a diaper drive and

2596
03:27:46,319 --> 03:27:53,359
collected over 6,000 diapers for CYP's
diaper bank. Um we have a diaper drive

2597
03:27:51,439 --> 03:27:56,720
toolkit on our website to teach people
how to do a diaper drive or to give them

2598
03:27:55,040 --> 03:28:00,319
ideas for doing a diaper drive. So we
try to support anybody who's interested

2599
03:27:58,479 --> 03:28:04,640
in supporting CYP's diaper bank.
>> That's fantastic. Thank you. That's

2600
03:28:01,920 --> 03:28:07,520
exactly what I just in case anybody's
watching and they're inclined to to

2601
03:28:06,080 --> 03:28:09,840
give, I want them to make sure they have
the the wherewithal and know how to do

2602
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:12,080
it.
>> I appreciate that.

2603
03:28:10,880 --> 03:28:16,319
» All right. I believe we have a
proclamation. you'd like for us to uh

2604
03:28:14,319 --> 03:28:19,680
approve.
>> County manager, you want to do it? Uh,

2605
03:28:18,319 --> 03:28:22,640
» sure. [laughter]
>> Unless you just want to approve it.

2606
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:27,359
» Let's just approve it.
>> Yeah, we can do it. It's a long one.

2607
03:28:24,960 --> 03:28:31,359
» It's a long one. I'll read the last. It
says, "You proclaim the month of

2608
03:28:29,120 --> 03:28:35,040
September 26th as Smart Start Month in
Dare County and call upon all citizens

2609
03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:38,319
to celebrate and acknowledge the
essential role Smart Start plays in

2610
03:28:36,640 --> 03:28:39,600
building thriving communities across our
state."

2611
03:28:38,960 --> 03:28:42,080
» Got it.
>> Make the motion to adopt.

2612
03:28:40,560 --> 03:28:45,520
» All right. is a motion on the floor by
the vice chair to adopt and seconded by

2613
03:28:44,000 --> 03:28:48,960
Commissioner Ross. Any further
discussion

2614
03:28:47,040 --> 03:28:50,960
hearing? None. Those in favor of the
motion signify by saying I.

2615
03:28:50,560 --> 03:28:56,000
» I.
>> Motion carries unanimous. I believe I

2616
03:28:54,319 --> 03:28:59,439
can't remember what was our amount last
year we donated.

2617
03:28:57,279 --> 03:29:02,080
» Um last year you donated 15,000.
>> That's what I thought.

2618
03:29:00,080 --> 03:29:05,040
» I'll make a motion donate another 15,000
this year.

2619
03:29:02,720 --> 03:29:10,000
» All right. It's a motion on the floor by
Vice Chair, seconded by Commissioner

2620
03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:14,479
Ross. Floor is open for discussion.
Hearing none. Those in favor signify by

2621
03:29:13,120 --> 03:29:20,640
saying I.
>> Suppose sign. Motion carries unanimous.

2622
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:26,239
» All right. Deliver some diapers, ladies.
Proclamation there as well. We proclaim

2623
03:29:23,840 --> 03:29:28,800
the week of September 14th through 20th
as diaper need awareness week in Deer

2624
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:30,560
County.
>> All right.

2625
03:29:29,439 --> 03:29:33,600
» Make a motion to approve.
>> All right. It's a motion on the floor by

2626
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:38,960
the vice chair. Seconded by
>> Second Commissioner Balance. Any further

2627
03:29:36,479 --> 03:29:45,359
discussion? Hearing none. is in favor
signify by saying I

2628
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:48,239
» post like sign. Motion carries unanimous
>> break by one. We've got two things we

2629
03:29:47,200 --> 03:29:51,760
can get done, I think.
>> Yeah, absolutely.

2630
03:29:49,520 --> 03:29:58,200
» Well, we can't we we've got
>> 45 minutes

2631
03:29:55,200 --> 03:29:58,200
till

2632
03:29:58,720 --> 03:30:03,399
» she said 124. She said,

2633
03:30:05,520 --> 03:30:10,800
» right?
Right. Um,

2634
03:30:09,600 --> 03:30:16,160
» we're going after Bobby.
>> We'll go. We can Can you How fast can

2635
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:18,880
you do the CIP? Matt,
>> right?

2636
03:30:17,200 --> 03:30:22,960
» So, we'll do number nine, which is the
Dair County.

2637
03:30:19,439 --> 03:30:25,279
» Start the timer CIP plan.
>> Since the school officials are here,

2638
03:30:24,319 --> 03:30:29,200
» what item we look at?
>> Number 10. Number nine.

2639
03:30:27,439 --> 03:30:32,560
» Nine and 10. Can we do both?
>> We'll try to do nine and 10 before

2640
03:30:31,359 --> 03:30:35,880
lunch.
>> I got it.

2641
03:30:43,439 --> 03:30:50,560
No, make it.
>> All right,

2642
03:30:49,200 --> 03:30:53,680
» start the timer now.
>> Go. [clears throat]

2643
03:30:52,080 --> 03:30:58,720
» All right, we're going to go through the
CIP, the capital improvement plan for

2644
03:30:55,920 --> 03:31:04,239
the schools. This first slide is really
just showing you how this is funded. So

2645
03:31:00,800 --> 03:31:08,880
like the county's capital improvement
plan, it is funded by a capital

2646
03:31:06,239 --> 03:31:15,680
investment fund. The capital investment
fund is funded by our article 42 sales

2647
03:31:11,760 --> 03:31:20,960
tax which is 75% of the funding. Article
40 sales tax which is 20% of the funding

2648
03:31:18,560 --> 03:31:27,520
and the remainder is coming from the
lottery because we can request lottery

2649
03:31:23,920 --> 03:31:31,920
draws for debt service payments. That
goes into one bucket which is this

2650
03:31:29,359 --> 03:31:36,560
capital improvement plan and then
another smaller bucket which is their

2651
03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:42,560
capital outlay which is a basically just
a direct payment to the schools for

2652
03:31:38,960 --> 03:31:46,640
their maintenance and operations.
This [clears throat] slide is just

2653
03:31:43,760 --> 03:31:52,560
visually showing you the distribution of
these the capital improvement plan which

2654
03:31:48,640 --> 03:31:56,000
includes 50 projects and $ 38 million
over the next five years.

2655
03:31:55,661 --> 03:32:00,479
» [clears throat]
>> the I'm going to get to a slide that has

2656
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:04,160
some highlights, so I'm not going to go
through that.

2657
03:32:02,866 --> 03:32:08,640
[clears throat] This is showing you the
funding. So, how we're paying for that,

2658
03:32:06,399 --> 03:32:14,800
it's the the capital improvement plan,
the 38 million plus the

2659
03:32:12,239 --> 03:32:22,080
um local capital outlay in over that
five years is roughly 3.8 million

2660
03:32:18,586 --> 03:32:27,279
[clears throat] totaling $42 million. So
payo and capital outlay is just money

2661
03:32:24,640 --> 03:32:32,720
coming directly from the fund going to
those projects or to the school and the

2662
03:32:30,000 --> 03:32:36,479
remainder is coming from debt proceeds.
So we're going to issue debt for the

2663
03:32:34,560 --> 03:32:40,120
projects in the plan over the five years
of that 26,850,000.

2664
03:32:42,479 --> 03:32:52,000
So this slide is just showing you how we
got this to balance. So

2665
03:32:49,520 --> 03:32:57,760
the abbreviated version is we had
additions to last year's balance plan of

2666
03:32:54,399 --> 03:33:02,319
4.7 million. 1.4 million of that though
was just the impact of the sales tax

2667
03:32:59,920 --> 03:33:08,640
allocation. You'll remember when we did
the budget that because the towns raised

2668
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:13,120
their taxes, the allocation to the
county went down. Well, because the

2669
03:33:11,120 --> 03:33:18,160
school's allocation is a piece of that
allocation, it it also went down

2670
03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:22,479
proportionally. Wait, you mean the towns
raised taxes and the county did not?

2671
03:33:22,080 --> 03:33:27,359
» That's right.
>> Did we get that in the press very? Thank

2672
03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:32,080
you.
>> So, how we made up that difference is we

2673
03:33:29,920 --> 03:33:37,120
are increasing the debt, the borrowing
for the fieldhouse, which we did at the

2674
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:41,920
last meeting. We removed the Cape Padis
Elementary School expansion, which was

2675
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:47,279
tied to a COVID bump in enrollment,
which has since gone back down. And so

2676
03:33:44,319 --> 03:33:50,880
640,000 it was that debt service. We're
going to take more money from the

2677
03:33:48,560 --> 03:33:57,840
lottery and then we shifted out the
timing of the projects. So really

2678
03:33:55,120 --> 03:34:03,359
quickly, these are some highlights. Um
so in 27 we have the tennis court

2679
03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:09,439
overhaul which has a grant component for
funding. We're replacing two a chiller

2680
03:34:06,239 --> 03:34:13,040
and a roof out on Cape Padis. And then
in 28, we're going to start the major

2681
03:34:11,120 --> 03:34:19,520
capital projects starting with the Cape
Pad Secondary School kitchen rebuild.

2682
03:34:16,800 --> 03:34:24,160
There is a possibility of applying for a
grant for that, which we will do and

2683
03:34:21,120 --> 03:34:28,080
hopefully come back with funding it in a
different way, but today it's within

2684
03:34:25,600 --> 03:34:34,399
this plan and it works. There's a $1
million storage building at Run Hill

2685
03:34:31,680 --> 03:34:39,120
and 28. And then in 29, we have the
auxiliary gym and the addition on First

2686
03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:42,080
Flight High School.
And we

2687
03:34:39,760 --> 03:34:46,080
» do we do we know what
>> what are we storing?

2688
03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:51,760
» What are we storing?
>> So today the schools pay for rented

2689
03:34:49,120 --> 03:34:55,040
storage and what this will do is
eliminate all of those rented storage.

2690
03:34:53,920 --> 03:35:00,428
And
>> is that good? Okay. Um [clears throat]

2691
03:35:02,960 --> 03:35:06,560
» this doesn't count towards my seven
minutes.

2692
03:35:04,479 --> 03:35:13,439
» No, it doesn't. I'll talk fast. We're
required to withho to hold um certain

2693
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:17,680
documentation for years. Um and we've
got boxes and filing cabinets and we

2694
03:35:16,000 --> 03:35:21,680
rent storage buildings to keep all that
in u because it's got to be climate

2695
03:35:19,600 --> 03:35:25,359
controlled and so by law we have to
maintain those documents.

2696
03:35:22,960 --> 03:35:31,200
» So we haven't looked at putting them on
micro fish or something like that.

2697
03:35:28,399 --> 03:35:34,399
» Um yes sir we have. And the
>> that's more expensive.

2698
03:35:32,319 --> 03:35:41,000
» The manpower hours would be tremendous.
>> Got it. Um there's there's rooms and

2699
03:35:36,960 --> 03:35:41,000
rooms of this these documents.

2700
03:35:45,840 --> 03:35:53,279
» Okay. So in 29 we'll start the first
flight elementary school and middle

2701
03:35:50,640 --> 03:35:58,960
school modernization projects which are
two-year projects within this plan. And

2702
03:35:55,920 --> 03:36:03,200
then subsequent to that we have chiller
replacements, roof and track re

2703
03:36:01,359 --> 03:36:08,080
resurfacing. So, these are the large
projects within that 38 plus million

2704
03:36:06,319 --> 03:36:11,359
dollar five-year plan.
>> Matt, we're going to issue one debt

2705
03:36:09,920 --> 03:36:15,760
issuance at the beginning of this for
the 27 projects and all of them. Are we

2706
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:20,000
going to then carry that or is this
going to be an installment loan?

2707
03:36:17,840 --> 03:36:22,479
» There's going to be two debt issuances
within this plan.

2708
03:36:21,120 --> 03:36:25,439
» All right. Good. I was worried we're
going to sit on too much cash and paying

2709
03:36:24,160 --> 03:36:29,359
debt service on
>> No, that's great point. And actually

2710
03:36:27,439 --> 03:36:32,399
it's three because the we're going to do
the fieldhouse as part of our public

2711
03:36:31,120 --> 03:36:38,880
works issuance, right?
>> And then we'll do this in 28, calendar

2712
03:36:35,200 --> 03:36:43,680
year 28 and calendar year 29.
>> And I lost my slides. All right, there

2713
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:48,080
we go. This is just the assumptions
within the model, which is consistent

2714
03:36:45,760 --> 03:36:53,920
with the debt issuance assumptions in
the county's capital improvement plan.

2715
03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:58,080
um we are assuming a 3% annual growth in
that sales tax which is that revenue

2716
03:36:55,840 --> 03:37:04,680
that's funding this and then actually
NCDPI gives us a projection for that

2717
03:37:01,200 --> 03:37:04,680
lottery fund.

2718
03:37:04,880 --> 03:37:13,200
Unlike the county plan there is no
coverage. So the county plan has a

2719
03:37:11,040 --> 03:37:18,720
coverage ratio relative to debt service.
The school's model works that the school

2720
03:37:15,840 --> 03:37:23,840
has to have enough resources to fund
this plan. And so this last slide is

2721
03:37:21,200 --> 03:37:29,120
showing you that and we look at their
resources as both the fund balance of

2722
03:37:26,640 --> 03:37:34,319
that restricted fund that came from the
sales tax and additionally the lottery

2723
03:37:32,399 --> 03:37:39,279
fund that the state holds that we can
request draw downs from for debt

2724
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:45,840
payments. So this is just showing you
that over this 10 years, which is double

2725
03:37:41,680 --> 03:37:50,560
the CIP term, that this plan works
within the capital investment fund and

2726
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:56,640
the school can afford it.
And if that feels good, then what we're

2727
03:37:54,080 --> 03:38:02,800
going to ask you to do is approve it and
the related budget amendment um that

2728
03:37:59,680 --> 03:38:06,560
will allow us to fund it. Let me add one
thing just I know that you all are aware

2729
03:38:04,880 --> 03:38:12,399
but to make everyone else aware these
funds are designated funds for capital

2730
03:38:09,760 --> 03:38:16,399
purposes and so this capital plan is a
plan that's been put together by the

2731
03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:20,239
school board not by us and Matt and
Rashad have worked hard with Ian and

2732
03:38:18,560 --> 03:38:25,200
Steve and his staff to make it work
within those resources. The school can't

2733
03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:30,239
use these resources to pay teachers,
give raises, do anything else except

2734
03:38:27,279 --> 03:38:34,080
build stuff with. And so that's why we
have a finite amount of money and

2735
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:39,040
they've managed to to make their needs
fit within that fund. And so for anyone

2736
03:38:37,279 --> 03:38:42,880
who would question why they're spending
the money here rather than somewhere

2737
03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:47,920
else, it's because they don't have other
choices. So

2738
03:38:46,479 --> 03:38:52,080
» I'll make a motion to approve the
recommended DCSCIP plan and adopt the

2739
03:38:50,239 --> 03:38:54,000
related capital project ordinance.
>> Second.

2740
03:38:52,640 --> 03:38:58,239
» There's a motion on the floor by
Commissioner Balance. It's been seconded

2741
03:38:55,760 --> 03:39:01,920
by Commissioner Burus. The floor is open
for discussion.

2742
03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:05,359
Hearing none, those in favor signify by
saying I. I.

2743
03:39:03,120 --> 03:39:08,479
» I oppose like sign. Motion carries.
>> Thank you,

2744
03:39:06,479 --> 03:39:14,319
» Mr. Chair. Real quickly on number 10,
I'm I'm going to try it and you come in

2745
03:39:10,319 --> 03:39:17,279
and fix it if I mess it up. Sheila, um
there there's been a [clears throat]

2746
03:39:15,279 --> 03:39:22,479
request for a school nurse at the early
college. Um what we have is we have a

2747
03:39:20,560 --> 03:39:27,120
grant that would be available to pay for
it for this year. So no new money in

2748
03:39:24,960 --> 03:39:31,680
this budget is needed to do that.
However, once you put it in there, then

2749
03:39:29,760 --> 03:39:35,040
you've created a position and next year
when we do the budget, you're going to

2750
03:39:33,040 --> 03:39:40,960
have to fund it. And so we don't like to
come in and do a grantf funded position

2751
03:39:37,920 --> 03:39:44,479
that's going to create recurring costs
without you knowing about it. And so we

2752
03:39:43,359 --> 03:39:48,080
talked about this.
>> We've talked about this. And so this is

2753
03:39:46,479 --> 03:39:51,279
one of those things where this grant
will pay for it for this year, but

2754
03:39:49,600 --> 03:39:55,120
there'll then be a recurring cost for
that nurse that we have to deal with

2755
03:39:53,200 --> 03:39:58,239
» in future years. And if you're satisfied
with that arrangement, then you would

2756
03:39:56,560 --> 03:40:01,120
approve this today and we can move
forward with it.

2757
03:39:59,439 --> 03:40:03,600
» Pleasure of the board.
>> I'd make a motion we approve. We need

2758
03:40:02,640 --> 03:40:06,080
nurses in the school.
>> That was going to be 300 students in

2759
03:40:05,439 --> 03:40:10,560
that school.
>> Well, hang on.

2760
03:40:07,040 --> 03:40:14,479
» The at the at the final at the end.
>> Get a second.

2761
03:40:12,560 --> 03:40:20,160
» Yeah, we got a second. Nata floor is
open for discussion. Commissioner Ross,

2762
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:22,239
» how many students are in college today?
>> 100.

2763
03:40:21,359 --> 03:40:24,720
» Oh, over 100.
>> Yeah. All right.

2764
03:40:22,880 --> 03:40:28,479
» There'll be another one. Another class
coming in. There'll be another class

2765
03:40:26,399 --> 03:40:32,200
next year. The goal is get to three,
300.

2766
03:40:29,040 --> 03:40:32,200
» Got it.

2767
03:40:34,399 --> 03:40:37,200
» One more year.
>> This is second year.

2768
03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:40,560
» Second [snorts] year.
>> Two more. Yeah.

2769
03:40:39,200 --> 03:40:44,080
» This year, the next year
>> we'll move into the building. Um

2770
03:40:43,520 --> 03:40:48,479
» January
>> January

2771
03:40:45,120 --> 03:40:52,239
» by the time we start paying for it
>> 29

2772
03:40:50,800 --> 03:40:54,080
» I'll go recount the 30.
>> Okay.

2773
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:58,239
» Done.
>> Well you talking about this year urban.

2774
03:40:57,760 --> 03:41:03,840
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well you add that to the 50ome 53

2775
03:41:00,800 --> 03:41:08,542
last year. So you know he's we're
rounding up. We round up.

2776
03:41:06,522 --> 03:41:08,542
» [laughter]

2777
03:41:11,279 --> 03:41:16,319
» All right. Those in favor of the motion
signify by saying I.

2778
03:41:14,560 --> 03:41:19,319
» Post like sign. Motion carries.
Unanimous.

2779
03:41:19,600 --> 03:41:23,840
» All right. We're going to recess for
lunch.

2780
03:41:22,399 --> 03:41:29,880
» Reconvene at
>> reconvene at uh

2781
03:41:26,880 --> 03:41:29,880
1:30.

2782
03:41:30,880 --> 03:41:36,479
the Dar County Board of Commissioners
meeting back to order and turn it over

2783
03:41:34,880 --> 03:41:41,359
to the county manager.
>> Um, Mr. Chairman, item five, which is

2784
03:41:38,640 --> 03:41:46,640
the HR1 NC State budget impacts for Dair
County. We're going to move that to our

2785
03:41:43,359 --> 03:41:51,840
October agenda. So, we cross that one
off. Um,

2786
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:56,080
» that would take us down to item eight,
which is library card signup month

2787
03:41:54,399 --> 03:42:00,560
proclamation.
Uh, if you'd like, I can read that.

2788
03:41:58,000 --> 03:42:04,239
» Yes, sir. Um whereas libraries are
foundation to education, imagination and

2789
03:42:02,720 --> 03:42:08,560
opportunity, offering everything from
early literacy programs to digital tools

2790
03:42:06,880 --> 03:42:12,800
that support lifelong learning and
personal growth. Whereas libraries

2791
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:16,560
welcome all people serving as inclusive,
accessible community hubs that connect

2792
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:20,720
individuals across cultures,
generations, and experiences. And

2793
03:42:18,880 --> 03:42:24,399
whereas libraries curate collections and
design programs that reflect the

2794
03:42:22,160 --> 03:42:27,840
diversity of the populations they serve,
ensuring equitable access to

2795
03:42:25,920 --> 03:42:31,840
information, technology, and culture for
all. And whereas libraries help

2796
03:42:29,840 --> 03:42:36,239
individuals navigate life's challenges
by providing trusted information,

2797
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:40,319
digital access, job search support, and
connections to essential services. And

2798
03:42:38,800 --> 03:42:44,720
whereas libraries contribute to the
thriving local economies by equipping

2799
03:42:42,319 --> 03:42:49,120
job seekers, entrepreneurs, students,
and creators with tools and training to

2800
03:42:46,560 --> 03:42:53,680
succeed. And whereas in times of both
crisis and calm, libraries and their

2801
03:42:51,600 --> 03:42:57,279
staff remain steadfast in supporting and
strengthening their communities. And

2802
03:42:55,359 --> 03:43:01,359
whereas library resources help
households save money, reduce waste, and

2803
03:42:59,359 --> 03:43:05,120
make sustainable choices, all through
the simple power of shared public good.

2804
03:43:03,680 --> 03:43:10,000
Now therefore, be it resolved that the
Dair County Board of Commissioners do

2805
03:43:06,399 --> 03:43:13,760
hereby proclaim September 26 as library
card signup month in North Car in Dare

2806
03:43:12,239 --> 03:43:18,160
County, North Carolina, and encourage
all residents to be sharp and sign up

2807
03:43:16,319 --> 03:43:21,760
for a library card this first day of
September 2026.

2808
03:43:20,880 --> 03:43:25,760
» Motion to adopt.
>> There's a motion on the floor by the

2809
03:43:23,279 --> 03:43:29,279
vice chair to adopt as presented. Is
there a second?

2810
03:43:27,600 --> 03:43:33,760
» Second by Commissioner Burus. Any
further discussion? Hearing none. Those

2811
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:37,040
in favor signify by saying I.
>> I oppose like sign. Motion carries

2812
03:43:36,160 --> 03:43:42,960
unanimous.
>> Um each year we get a this goes we're

2813
03:43:39,760 --> 03:43:48,880
down now to number 11 paragraph 11. Um
item 11. Each year we get a grant. Uh

2814
03:43:46,000 --> 03:43:53,359
our grant is from NC DOT for our
transportation for seniors and

2815
03:43:50,399 --> 03:43:57,199
individual disabilities. Um in order to
obtain that grant, we have to have a

2816
03:43:54,880 --> 03:44:04,560
public hearing. And so with that said, I
would call to order the public hearing

2817
03:43:58,960 --> 03:44:08,319
with regard to the 2028 NC DOT 5310 5311
combined capital grant application. If

2818
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:13,359
anyone would like to speak to that
issue, please raise your hand. Uh seeing

2819
03:44:11,279 --> 03:44:18,319
none, is there anyone in in Bucks that
would like to speak?

2820
03:44:16,239 --> 03:44:22,880
» No comment
that uh we would close uh the public

2821
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:26,080
hearing. Uh and I think I don't think
there's any action required. So

2822
03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:30,279
No,
>> you adopt the resolution. Yes.

2823
03:44:32,319 --> 03:44:37,520
» Motion to adopt the resolution.
>> Okay. There's a motion on the floor by

2824
03:44:35,199 --> 03:44:39,120
the vice chair to adopt the resolution.
Is there a second?

2825
03:44:38,640 --> 03:44:42,960
» Second.
>> Second by Commissioner Burus. Any

2826
03:44:40,800 --> 03:44:47,439
further discussion? Hearing none. Those
in favor signify by saying I. I.

2827
03:44:45,279 --> 03:44:52,319
Opposed. Like sign. Motion carries
unanimous. Item 12 is a joint resolution

2828
03:44:50,479 --> 03:44:56,000
requesting a permanent ferry toll waiver
for locally registered [clears throat]

2829
03:44:53,920 --> 03:44:59,359
vehicles. Uh you have that in front of
you. I would turn that back over to you,

2830
03:44:57,439 --> 03:45:02,359
Mr. Chairman.
>> Uh

2831
03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:12,000
the um well, there's a resolution here.
You want to u you want to read it if you

2832
03:45:11,439 --> 03:45:17,439
will?
>> I will. Uh there's a matter of law that

2833
03:45:14,800 --> 03:45:22,399
was introduced during the
>> myriad of public comments saying this is

2834
03:45:20,319 --> 03:45:26,319
a waste of time. It has to be directed
to the legislature. That's right.

2835
03:45:23,920 --> 03:45:28,479
» Not the governor or the DOT. Right.
>> I don't know if that's true or not. It

2836
03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:34,560
is true.
>> What we would do is we would if we adopt

2837
03:45:32,160 --> 03:45:36,560
it, we would send it to all elected
folks. That's what we would normally do

2838
03:45:36,160 --> 03:45:38,720
anyway.
>> That's what we normally do.

2839
03:45:37,520 --> 03:45:42,160
» Proceed. Sorry. Thank you.
>> Including the legislative. All right.

2840
03:45:41,040 --> 03:45:46,080
» All right. Right. Whereas Senate Bill
257, the 2025 [clears throat]

2841
03:45:44,160 --> 03:45:50,720
appropri appropriations act amends
article 6 of chapter 136 of the North

2842
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:54,560
Carolina General Statutes to impose
tolls on all ferry routes in North

2843
03:45:52,479 --> 03:45:57,520
Carolina and to increase tolls on
currently existing ferry routes

2844
03:45:55,920 --> 03:46:02,000
according to route destination and
vehicle size. And whereas fairies serve

2845
03:46:00,399 --> 03:46:05,840
as the primary and in some cases
exclusive highways and bridges for the

2846
03:46:04,319 --> 03:46:09,920
residents, commuters, and emergency
services of eastern North Carolina. And

2847
03:46:08,239 --> 03:46:14,399
whereas the residents of Bowfort,
Brunswick, Carter, Craraven, Curry Tuck,

2848
03:46:12,160 --> 03:46:19,040
Dare, Hyde, New Handover, and Pamelo
counties rely on these state maintained

2849
03:46:16,720 --> 03:46:23,840
marine corridors daily to access
employment, medical care, education, and

2850
03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:28,479
essential goods. And whereas mainland
residents of North Carolina enjoy free

2851
03:46:25,920 --> 03:46:32,399
untold access to statemaintained roads,
highways, and bridges funded by the

2852
03:46:30,399 --> 03:46:37,600
general tax base to which coastal
residents also contribute. And whereas

2853
03:46:34,880 --> 03:46:41,680
opposing in additional transit fees on
local citizens simply because they

2854
03:46:39,920 --> 03:46:46,560
reside in a coastal region creates an
unfair system of double taxation. And

2855
03:46:44,479 --> 03:46:50,399
whereas the financial burden of new or
increased tolls will disproportionately

2856
03:46:48,239 --> 03:46:54,720
harm local working families, small
businesses, and fixed income retirees

2857
03:46:52,560 --> 03:46:59,359
who have no viable alternative transit
routes. And whereas a fair and equitable

2858
03:46:57,359 --> 03:47:04,160
solution must distinguish between daily
local commuters who utilize the ferry

2859
03:47:02,000 --> 03:47:08,960
system as an essential highway and
seasonal tourism traffic that utilizes

2860
03:47:06,239 --> 03:47:12,000
the system for recreation. Now therefore
be it resolved by the boards of

2861
03:47:10,720 --> 03:47:15,600
commissioners of the counties of
Bowford, Brunswick, Carrec, Craraven,

2862
03:47:13,920 --> 03:47:20,000
Curry, Tuck, Dare, Hyde, New Hanover,
and Pamelon, North Carolina, that one

2863
03:47:18,080 --> 03:47:24,160
member counties strongly request all
tolls and fees affecting North Carolina

2864
03:47:21,760 --> 03:47:27,840
ferry routes be waved for all vehicles
registered in counties with ferry

2865
03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:30,640
terminals. two that the member of
counties humbly urged the honorable

2866
03:47:29,279 --> 03:47:34,640
governor Josh Stein and the North
Carolina Department of Transportation to

2867
03:47:32,160 --> 03:47:37,600
wave all tolls and fees for vehicles
registered in counties with ferry

2868
03:47:35,920 --> 03:47:42,160
terminals and to create a permanent
waiver exempting all locally registered

2869
03:47:40,239 --> 03:47:46,080
personnel personal and commercial
vehicles from ferry tolls and three the

2870
03:47:44,800 --> 03:47:50,000
member counties request that any
necessary state revenue adjustments

2871
03:47:47,840 --> 03:47:54,080
focus strictly on non-residentinal
seasonal tourism traffic rather than

2872
03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:58,720
penalizing local citizens adopted this
the first day of September 2026 Six

2873
03:47:57,920 --> 03:48:03,359
» move to adopt.
>> There's a motion on the floor by a vice

2874
03:48:00,399 --> 03:48:06,640
chair to adopt as as presented been
seconded by commissioner balance. Floor

2875
03:48:05,359 --> 03:48:13,040
is open for discussion.
>> Question county manager. This

2876
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:21,120
essentially says any highway, bridge or
ferry or other um road or mode of

2877
03:48:17,920 --> 03:48:28,399
transport is fairly taxed for
recreational use but shall not be taxed

2878
03:48:24,319 --> 03:48:32,720
for daily uh normal use. And they're
making a distinction in the resolution

2879
03:48:30,239 --> 03:48:38,239
we are that if you use it for rec
recreation, it's fair to tax you. If you

2880
03:48:36,080 --> 03:48:43,040
use it to go to work or go to school,
it's unfair to tax you. Does this open a

2881
03:48:41,279 --> 03:48:48,319
can of worms that any jurisdiction
across the state could imply we're going

2882
03:48:45,920 --> 03:48:52,399
to start raising money by putting, you
know, a toll on anyone without a local

2883
03:48:50,479 --> 03:48:55,920
county license plate?
>> I don't know the answer to that. I just

2884
03:48:54,160 --> 03:48:59,279
read that and thought, is that a real
reason?

2885
03:48:57,680 --> 03:49:03,680
» I don't know the answer to that either.
I've never done the research. Look, I

2886
03:49:01,120 --> 03:49:07,840
have heard anecdotally that you can't
distinguish among those that

2887
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:12,479
» use the roads. You either tax everybody
or you tax none.

2888
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:17,040
» I've also heard that you can tax at
different rates and and so I really

2889
03:49:14,560 --> 03:49:19,439
don't know the answer to that question.
>> Yeah. I mean,

2890
03:49:18,800 --> 03:49:23,120
» and
>> emotionally I don't want to charge our

2891
03:49:21,040 --> 03:49:28,239
people for tolls, right? But I'm looking
at the wording and saying, "Okay, does

2892
03:49:24,800 --> 03:49:32,640
this open a Pandora's box that uh you go
to Asheville and suddenly you're being

2893
03:49:29,760 --> 03:49:34,800
taxed to go down the road X or Z because
you're on vacation and don't live in

2894
03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:40,239
Asheville."
>> Yeah. Well, also what we've what I what

2895
03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:45,760
I've learned is that for local
residents, you can buy a pass for $150,

2896
03:49:43,680 --> 03:49:48,319
but that pass is per vehicle.
>> Per vehicle, right?

2897
03:49:46,640 --> 03:49:53,920
» Not per person. So if you got two or
three cars

2898
03:49:50,399 --> 03:49:57,920
then you're at you know 300 450
>> and each each usage what what is the

2899
03:49:56,479 --> 03:50:00,080
toll? Do you know what the daily toll
is?

2900
03:49:58,560 --> 03:50:03,359
» That's what they're asking.
>> That's what they're trying to determine.

2901
03:50:01,279 --> 03:50:07,640
They directed the ferry division to
study it and come up with the tolling.

2902
03:50:07,680 --> 03:50:17,840
» Well, if it's a buck a day, you're $700
going two ways on the ferry, right? Mhm.

2903
03:50:15,520 --> 03:50:20,720
» If you used it every single day,
>> again, depending on what they come up

2904
03:50:19,520 --> 03:50:23,920
with as a tolling structure,
>> if you could buy an annual pass for 150

2905
03:50:22,479 --> 03:50:27,520
bucks, you'd be better off to just buy
the annual pass.

2906
03:50:25,120 --> 03:50:29,600
» Oh,
>> I don't know, guys. It just I don't

2907
03:50:29,199 --> 03:50:33,040
know.
>> Barely pay tax people going to their own

2908
03:50:31,600 --> 03:50:35,199
homes.
>> I you know, again, emotionally, I'm with

2909
03:50:34,720 --> 03:50:39,279
you.
>> I don't want to pay tolls.

2910
03:50:36,960 --> 03:50:42,479
» I just don't know how you regulate it.
>> And if we don't care about the

2911
03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:48,479
president, then fine. Let's pass it.
>> What a Really what it boils down to is

2912
03:50:46,204 --> 03:50:54,880
[snorts] a state legislature
has got the funds and they need to

2913
03:50:51,600 --> 03:51:00,880
properly fund the transportation
department and and put the put the

2914
03:50:58,560 --> 03:51:04,560
amount of money in there that the furry
division the rest of NC do needs.

2915
03:51:03,680 --> 03:51:07,040
» Right. And
>> so why are they charging any tolls?

2916
03:51:06,399 --> 03:51:11,279
» Right?
>> That I'm I'm 100% on board with the

2917
03:51:09,600 --> 03:51:16,640
resolution that they don't charge tolls.
>> Right. I got hung up on the well if

2918
03:51:14,239 --> 03:51:19,920
you're recreating recreating then it's
free you got to pay

2919
03:51:18,800 --> 03:51:24,080
» that's what hung me up
>> right

2920
03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:29,760
» Rob so some of the thought processes
they're going to um I was down in my

2921
03:51:26,880 --> 03:51:32,800
house this weekend in Oka Coke and some
of the neighbors down there seems to

2922
03:51:31,279 --> 03:51:37,840
think what they've been told they're
going to be charged $150 a year for

2923
03:51:35,439 --> 03:51:41,920
their priority pass to go over there
then they're also going to be charged

2924
03:51:39,120 --> 03:51:46,640
$150 a year flat fee
for unlimited times going back and

2925
03:51:44,080 --> 03:51:52,600
forth.
Then the tourists are going to be

2926
03:51:48,399 --> 03:51:52,600
charged $6 per car.

2927
03:51:53,279 --> 03:51:56,800
Now, this is not
>> written in stat.

2928
03:51:56,479 --> 03:52:01,800
» Yeah.
>> Right. But that's what their plans are.

2929
03:52:02,239 --> 03:52:07,760
» I mean, we could we could certainly
revise this resolution.

2930
03:52:06,080 --> 03:52:12,479
» I don't know. I mean, am I wrong, guys?
If I'm wrong, you make you talk me out

2931
03:52:09,680 --> 03:52:16,239
of it. you make your points well made.
>> This is a joint resolution. If we're

2932
03:52:15,040 --> 03:52:17,840
going to revise it, it would be it would
be

2933
03:52:16,479 --> 03:52:21,439
» Yeah, it's all the other guys. All the
other counties,

2934
03:52:20,479 --> 03:52:25,279
» like
>> well, we that that doesn't mean we have

2935
03:52:23,120 --> 03:52:28,840
to do a joint resolution. We could do
>> whatever you want. Yeah,

2936
03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:34,800
» to be honest with you, I don't think
it's going to make a difference.

2937
03:52:33,600 --> 03:52:38,800
» And you're probably right. So, I'm
making a big issue out of a no issue.

2938
03:52:36,800 --> 03:52:40,880
So, let's just let's just go. Got it. I
just

2939
03:52:39,279 --> 03:52:44,560
» All right. Those in favor signify by
saying I I oppose like sign. Motion

2940
03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:48,960
carries unanimous.
>> Bobby was a one of one against that

2941
03:52:46,479 --> 03:52:53,920
ordeal. [clears throat]
>> That brings us to item 13 on the agenda.

2942
03:52:51,199 --> 03:52:59,199
Uh the Southern Albamar Association has
their meeting coming up and they have a

2943
03:52:56,160 --> 03:53:04,439
proposed guest list of invitees from uh
Dair County and they're asking you to

2944
03:53:00,880 --> 03:53:04,439
approve that list.

2945
03:53:05,065 --> 03:53:08,479
[clears throat and cough]
>> We are.

2946
03:53:06,399 --> 03:53:12,080
» Did we make the list?
They did.

2947
03:53:10,800 --> 03:53:14,891
» The list is attached.
>> Found it.

2948
03:53:12,640 --> 03:53:16,910
» We
[laughter]

2949
03:53:18,239 --> 03:53:22,880
motion to approve.
>> Motion on the floor by Commissioner

2950
03:53:20,880 --> 03:53:25,279
Balance to approve. Approve as
presented.

2951
03:53:24,399 --> 03:53:28,000
» Is there a second?
>> Second.

2952
03:53:25,840 --> 03:53:31,120
» Second by the vice chair.
>> Further comments.

2953
03:53:29,279 --> 03:53:38,160
» Can we nominate a proxy? I'd like to
nominate Mary Helen to replace me as my

2954
03:53:33,279 --> 03:53:43,760
proxy at Oh, no. Too late. Sorry.
Um, all right.

2955
03:53:41,920 --> 03:53:45,040
All those in favor of the motion signify
by saying I.

2956
03:53:44,479 --> 03:53:47,439
» I.
>> Post like sign. Motion carries

2957
03:53:46,960 --> 03:53:51,520
unanimous.
>> When is this annual meeting?

2958
03:53:49,600 --> 03:53:53,040
» Usually in the fall sometime, Steve, I
don't

2959
03:53:51,760 --> 03:53:54,239
» Yeah, I don't I don't have that date
yet.

2960
03:53:53,840 --> 03:53:56,800
» Okay.
>> You'll get an invitation if you get an

2961
03:53:56,160 --> 03:54:00,800
invitation.
>> Yeah, I remember.

2962
03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:04,800
» It's usually in the fall.
>> Um, move on to the consent agenda. You

2963
03:54:03,279 --> 03:54:09,920
have the approval of the minutes from
August 3rd and August 10th, the tax

2964
03:54:07,199 --> 03:54:15,199
collector's report, contract with Train
US, Inc. elevator maintenance contract,

2965
03:54:13,040 --> 03:54:20,239
um the North Carolina Governor's Highway
Safety Program, local government

2966
03:54:16,800 --> 03:54:22,960
resolution for the NCEL,
and then the North Carolina Highway

2967
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:29,680
Safety Program, local government
resolution for the GHSPO.

2968
03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:34,000
And then you have the authorization to
present a service weapon to retiring

2969
03:54:31,680 --> 03:54:38,080
deputy sheriff Overbeck and an
authorization to present service weapon

2970
03:54:36,239 --> 03:54:40,160
to retiring deputy sheriff Lieutenant
David Mason.

2971
03:54:39,040 --> 03:54:42,560
» Motion to approve.
>> Motion on on the floor by the vice

2972
03:54:42,160 --> 03:54:45,600
chair.
>> Second.

2973
03:54:43,120 --> 03:54:49,760
» Seconded by Commissioner Baitman. Open
for further discussion. Hearing none.

2974
03:54:47,840 --> 03:54:52,080
Those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

2975
03:54:50,239 --> 03:54:55,439
» Post like sign. Motion carries
unanimous.

2976
03:54:52,960 --> 03:54:58,800
» Uh next are your board appointments. Uh
the Dare County Joint Community Advisory

2977
03:54:57,279 --> 03:55:02,640
Committee, Nursing Home Advisory
Committee, Mitchell Baitman and Mary

2978
03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:06,399
Pendle have both completed the required
training to be appointed to the Dair

2979
03:55:04,560 --> 03:55:10,080
County Joint Community Advisory
Committee

2980
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:12,880
Commission Area on Aging has submitted a
recommendation letters for them to be

2981
03:55:11,760 --> 03:55:17,520
appointed.
>> Motion to appoint.

2982
03:55:14,239 --> 03:55:22,160
» Motion on by the vice chair, seconded by
Commissioner Baitman. Any further

2983
03:55:19,600 --> 03:55:27,120
discussion? Yeah. I just I remember
Mitchell raising this thing and there

2984
03:55:24,560 --> 03:55:29,120
were significant barriers to entry if I
can use that phrase.

2985
03:55:28,399 --> 03:55:34,319
» Yes.
>> Do we anticipate Bobby or Skyler? Do you

2986
03:55:32,640 --> 03:55:37,840
know if there are any other candidates
kind of lining up to do this?

2987
03:55:36,399 --> 03:55:39,439
» We have one more.
>> One more.

2988
03:55:38,560 --> 03:55:42,640
» Currently going through
>> going through it. Okay.

2989
03:55:40,960 --> 03:55:44,319
» Yeah. I was just curious. It's a big
It's a big ask.

2990
03:55:43,520 --> 03:55:48,160
» It is a big ask.
>> It's a big ask.

2991
03:55:46,640 --> 03:55:50,080
» And those requirements aren't ours.
They're the state.

2992
03:55:48,960 --> 03:55:54,640
» I know. I know, right?
>> And there was some issue about liability

2993
03:55:52,319 --> 03:55:58,640
exposure, personal liability that caused
a mass resignation last time.

2994
03:55:57,840 --> 03:56:03,120
» Okay,
>> Bobby, let me ask this. Is there any um

2995
03:56:01,359 --> 03:56:06,640
supposedly the Almoral Commission was
looking at some compensation for these

2996
03:56:05,359 --> 03:56:11,680
people?
>> Um I don't know. I know that we I think

2997
03:56:08,880 --> 03:56:16,560
we reimburse uh these two for their
travel for those trainings here for the

2998
03:56:14,319 --> 03:56:21,120
ones that we have. I don't know what the
album Commission's doing.

2999
03:56:18,080 --> 03:56:26,399
» Okay. I don't recall seeing that on any
of our agendas. Urban.

3000
03:56:23,359 --> 03:56:28,479
» Okay. [clears throat]
>> All right. Ready to move on?

3001
03:56:27,840 --> 03:56:32,640
» Yes, sir.
>> All right. Next is the Health and Human

3002
03:56:30,080 --> 03:56:36,960
Services. The terms of Brent Richardson,
Jamie Daniels, Ashley Jackson, and

3003
03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:41,040
Christopher Roberts expire this month.
The Health and Human Services Board

3004
03:56:38,560 --> 03:56:46,560
recommends Brent Richardson, and Jamie
Daniels be reappointed. Um, Christopher

3005
03:56:44,640 --> 03:56:50,800
Roberts in the case he does not wish to
be reappointed and to fill the seat

3006
03:56:49,359 --> 03:56:54,479
currently held by Roberts. The board
recommends that Ashley Jackson be

3007
03:56:52,800 --> 03:56:59,120
reappointed and moved from her current
atlarge seat to the social worker seat.

3008
03:56:57,120 --> 03:57:02,479
And the board recommends that Joel Keith
be appointed to fill the atlarge seat

3009
03:57:01,040 --> 03:57:06,640
which would then which would have been
held by Ashley Jackson. And

3010
03:57:04,800 --> 03:57:10,880
additionally, due to Dwayne Gibbs lack
of attendance, the Health and Human

3011
03:57:08,319 --> 03:57:14,720
Board recommends appointing Megan Seaman
to fill his seat.

3012
03:57:13,040 --> 03:57:19,359
Motion to approve. It's a
>> motion on by Commissioner Baitman. Is

3013
03:57:18,160 --> 03:57:24,000
there a second? Second.
>> Second by the vice chair.

3014
03:57:21,520 --> 03:57:27,120
» Open for further discussion. Hearing
none. Those in favor signify by saying

3015
03:57:25,760 --> 03:57:31,760
I.
>> Like motion carries unanimous.

3016
03:57:29,600 --> 03:57:36,720
» Next is the Thomas A. Balma Senior
Citizen Senior Center Advisory Board. Uh

3017
03:57:34,720 --> 03:57:43,600
the advisory council recommends the
appointment of Adelaide Paige and Andrea

3018
03:57:39,439 --> 03:57:43,600
Podiger to fill the two vacant seats.

3019
03:57:46,800 --> 03:57:51,439
Motion to approve.
>> Motion on motion on the floor by the

3020
03:57:50,000 --> 03:57:53,760
vice chair page.
>> Seconded by

3021
03:57:53,120 --> 03:57:58,560
» Irvin
>> Irvin Baitman. Any further discussion?

3022
03:57:56,720 --> 03:58:01,920
Hearing? None. Those in favor signify by
saying I.

3023
03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:04,720
» I post like sign.
>> Motion carries unanimous.

3024
03:58:03,439 --> 03:58:08,560
» Then for your upcoming board and
committee appointments in October, you

3025
03:58:06,319 --> 03:58:11,600
have the library board with one term and
the Thomas A. Bomb Senior Center

3026
03:58:10,160 --> 03:58:16,640
Advisory Board with three terms
expiring. In November, you have the

3027
03:58:14,080 --> 03:58:18,160
Older Adult Services Council with two
terms expiring and

3028
03:58:17,504 --> 03:58:22,160
[cough and clears throat] the W working
Working Waterman Commission with one

3029
03:58:19,680 --> 03:58:26,239
term expiring. And then in December, you
have the Equalization and Review Board

3030
03:58:23,760 --> 03:58:30,239
with five terms expiring, the Parks and
Recreation Advisory Board with one term

3031
03:58:28,080 --> 03:58:33,920
expiring, the Stumpy Point Community
Center with one term expiring, and the

3032
03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:37,520
Tourism Board with [snorts] six terms
expiring. That would be your agenda, Mr.

3033
03:58:36,080 --> 03:58:41,680
Chairman.
>> Six terms. Excuse me.

3034
03:58:40,000 --> 03:58:46,239
» Uh, that brings us that brings us to
item 16. Uh, commissioner's business,

3035
03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:51,920
manager's business. Do you have anything
else for us today, Bob?

3036
03:58:47,920 --> 03:58:57,279
» Uh, yeah. I got two things. Um, at one
of our previous meetings, you all had

3037
03:58:53,840 --> 03:59:01,120
asked about ebike regulation and had
asked us to look into it or get with

3038
03:58:59,279 --> 03:59:05,840
planning staff to look into ebike
regulation.

3039
03:59:02,720 --> 03:59:10,399
What we found is a lot of stuff. I mean,
we did some digging and but the long and

3040
03:59:08,800 --> 03:59:14,239
the short of all that is is that
counties don't have the authority to

3041
03:59:12,399 --> 03:59:18,880
regulate ebikes. There's specific
authority for towns to do that, but

3042
03:59:16,560 --> 03:59:22,160
there is no equivalent authority in the
statutes for counties to do that. And

3043
03:59:20,960 --> 03:59:27,760
there's actually a bill in the
legislature right now to give counties

3044
03:59:25,279 --> 03:59:33,840
that authority. And so really not much
we can do about that right now to

3045
03:59:30,640 --> 03:59:39,359
regulate ebikes. Um there's a lot of
stuff in there. about ebikes. There are

3046
03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:45,040
state rules already in effect. And so,
you know, if those rules were enforced

3047
03:59:42,800 --> 03:59:49,279
effectively, then possibly it would
solve some of the problems that you've

3048
03:59:46,560 --> 03:59:53,520
heard about. But, uh, in order to
enforce them, then law enforcement has

3049
03:59:51,279 --> 03:59:58,560
to catch them in the act. And, you know,
that's difficult. So again,

3050
03:59:56,560 --> 04:00:03,840
that's one of the is I'll tell you one
of the other issues that we found was

3051
04:00:01,680 --> 04:00:08,560
towns and communities struggle with what
to do because if you force the ebikes

3052
04:00:06,319 --> 04:00:13,199
off of the bike paths, then you're
forcing them into the road. You can't

3053
04:00:11,600 --> 04:00:18,239
ban them. They're allowed to be on the
public highways just as a bicycle is.

3054
04:00:15,920 --> 04:00:21,439
And if you push them off the bike path,
then you're pushing them in the highway.

3055
04:00:19,520 --> 04:00:24,880
And have you then created a worse
problem? And so should we get the

3056
04:00:23,359 --> 04:00:28,399
authority, you know, we would have to
give some thought as to how we would

3057
04:00:26,560 --> 04:00:34,000
want to regulate them and what we would
want to do. So with that said, not much

3058
04:00:31,760 --> 04:00:40,960
we can do there. I wanted to report back
as you requested me to do. Um,

3059
04:00:38,160 --> 04:00:46,479
at the appropriate time, then we do need
a close session and it won't be long. I

3060
04:00:44,000 --> 04:00:50,319
do need to get some counsel from you all
in close session.

3061
04:00:47,520 --> 04:00:57,040
» All right, sounds good. Um, thank you,
Bobby. Uh, that that brings us to u our

3062
04:00:54,080 --> 04:01:00,960
public information uh officer. Uh,
Dorothy has stepped out. Miss Caitlyn

3063
04:00:59,199 --> 04:01:04,399
Knights have stepped in. Caitlyn, you
have anything for us?

3064
04:01:02,560 --> 04:01:08,160
» Yes. Um, just wanted to let you all know
that we are working on the materials for

3065
04:01:06,239 --> 04:01:12,720
the sales tax referendum, educational
pieces, and you should expect to see

3066
04:01:10,560 --> 04:01:17,120
some proofs next week of the postcard
and the rack card. Um, and then we're

3067
04:01:15,359 --> 04:01:20,640
also beginning to work with our
videographer on the videos that we'll

3068
04:01:19,040 --> 04:01:24,560
produce for those that will run on a
streaming platform. So, just to give you

3069
04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:28,560
a heads up for that. And then another
item that I don't believe we've brought

3070
04:01:26,560 --> 04:01:34,239
up to you is that we've installed an
accessibility toolbar on our website.

3071
04:01:31,120 --> 04:01:38,479
So, you'll see a little symbol of a
person in the lower lefthand corner of

3072
04:01:36,080 --> 04:01:43,120
our site. Now, you can click that and
activate the toolbar. It will translate

3073
04:01:40,800 --> 04:01:48,800
all the text on our website into over 50
different languages. It will read the

3074
04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:53,840
the text aloud. It gives descriptions of
the images on the site and we're working

3075
04:01:51,680 --> 04:01:57,680
on getting it to read all the PDFs on
the website also just to make it more

3076
04:01:56,000 --> 04:01:59,439
accessible. So, just one thing for you
guys to be aware of also.

3077
04:01:58,800 --> 04:02:01,359
» Wow.
>> Thank you.

3078
04:02:00,080 --> 04:02:02,319
» That's pretty cool.
>> Yeah.

3079
04:02:01,920 --> 04:02:07,120
» Yeah.
>> I have a question for you.

3080
04:02:04,640 --> 04:02:13,760
It was asserted with emphasis during
public comment that we are spending

3081
04:02:10,080 --> 04:02:18,080
$20,000 of public money to advocate for
the support and passage of the

3082
04:02:15,359 --> 04:02:19,439
referendum. Is that a correct statement,
Miss Kite?

3083
04:02:18,720 --> 04:02:22,000
» No, it's not.
>> It is the commission directing. Yeah, it

3084
04:02:21,520 --> 04:02:26,640
is.
>> We are we are putting out educational

3085
04:02:24,399 --> 04:02:30,160
pieces because of the way the wording is
on the ballot

3086
04:02:28,239 --> 04:02:32,239
» um to inform people of what it actually
means

3087
04:02:30,560 --> 04:02:37,520
» to inform the constituents.
>> That's correct. Ah, once again, good

3088
04:02:35,680 --> 04:02:40,479
thing we take public comment for what it
is sometimes. Thank you, Miss Kite. Of

3089
04:02:39,920 --> 04:02:45,120
» course.
>> Thank you, Ken. Um,

3090
04:02:43,520 --> 04:02:48,319
our
finance director, Matt, do you have

3091
04:02:46,640 --> 04:02:53,199
anything else for us?
>> I just attended the local government

3092
04:02:50,479 --> 04:02:56,960
commission meeting on break and they
passed our debt issuance.

3093
04:02:56,319 --> 04:02:57,840
So,
>> cool.

3094
04:02:57,359 --> 04:03:00,880
» Cool.
>> That's good.

3095
04:02:58,479 --> 04:03:06,319
» That's good news. Uh, one other real
quick, Matt, on the school CIP,

3096
04:03:04,000 --> 04:03:07,359
that was a 20-year loan advertised over
20.

3097
04:03:06,800 --> 04:03:10,359
» Yes.
>> Okay.

3098
04:03:10,720 --> 04:03:13,520
» All right. Thank you, Matt. Anything
else?

3099
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:17,680
» Nope.
>> Okay. Um All right. That brings us to a

3100
04:03:16,399 --> 04:03:20,479
commissioner's business. I'm going to
ask Commissioner Ross if he will kick

3101
04:03:19,840 --> 04:03:26,239
that off.
>> I would be glad to, Mr. Chairman. Thank

3102
04:03:22,479 --> 04:03:29,760
you. A couple of updates. Uh we are very
happy as a board I think I speak for all

3103
04:03:27,920 --> 04:03:35,920
of us that the coastal family
collaborative is continuing to advance

3104
04:03:32,800 --> 04:03:42,319
in Buckton with the early child care
initiative and we wish them the best of

3105
04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:48,080
luck. Two really really beneficial and
worthy events are coming up. One from

3106
04:03:44,880 --> 04:03:52,800
the dementia uh friendly coalition on
the 23rd through 25th of October. They

3107
04:03:51,040 --> 04:03:56,880
raise a great deal of funds through a
tennis and pickle ball tournament at our

3108
04:03:54,960 --> 04:04:00,960
very own county manager Duckwoods
Country Club. I have been there and

3109
04:03:58,960 --> 04:04:06,479
attended in the past and I can tell you
it is a great group. Miss Jan Collins

3110
04:04:04,000 --> 04:04:10,720
heads it up and they do amazing work for
the families of those suffering from

3111
04:04:08,560 --> 04:04:15,279
memory loss in our community. The other
one is on the 23rd of October in

3112
04:04:13,199 --> 04:04:21,359
conjunction with OBX Hospital, the
Cancer Shucks fundraiser, which is also

3113
04:04:18,319 --> 04:04:26,399
a highly effective and very worthwhile
uh charitable dinner party that raises a

3114
04:04:24,239 --> 04:04:30,960
lot of money for our own local cancer
center. That's all I have, sir.

3115
04:04:27,920 --> 04:04:36,239
» Thank you, Commissioner Ross. Uh Vice
Chairman, uh the House,

3116
04:04:34,080 --> 04:04:42,880
» uh m be real brief and short since we're
running long. Um, I wanted to reiterate

3117
04:04:38,479 --> 04:04:47,279
the uh 911 uh walk from EMS station one
to the top of Wright Brothers Memorial

3118
04:04:44,399 --> 04:04:51,760
and back to EMS station one. Um, I've
been a part of this since the beginning

3119
04:04:48,960 --> 04:04:57,040
and it's a wonderful tribute. Um, I
can't tell you 911 holds a very dear and

3120
04:04:55,040 --> 04:05:02,960
special place in my heart. I lost two
very good friends that day. Um, one at

3121
04:04:59,600 --> 04:05:07,840
the Pentagon and one at the Twin Towers.
Um, so if you can please come on out.

3122
04:05:06,479 --> 04:05:12,479
Uh, we're trying to get as many people
there as possible. We're trying to break

3123
04:05:09,840 --> 04:05:17,840
some records this year for the 25th.
And, uh, also, even though we've run

3124
04:05:15,199 --> 04:05:22,160
long, the best part of any Dair County
Commissioner board meeting, met our pet

3125
04:05:20,239 --> 04:05:27,600
pet of the month.
>> Our pet of the week this week is Tango.

3126
04:05:25,199 --> 04:05:32,479
Tango is a sweet, almost one-year-old
orange tabby looking for his forever

3127
04:05:29,760 --> 04:05:36,399
home. He's aate, chatty, and loves
attention. He especially enjoys being

3128
04:05:34,479 --> 04:05:41,120
held, and he's always happy when it's
time to eat. The loving, social little

3129
04:05:38,720 --> 04:05:45,080
guy with a big personality who would
make a wonderful companion.

3130
04:05:46,720 --> 04:05:53,199
To adopt Tango or foster one of our
other animals, come visit us Monday

3131
04:05:51,199 --> 04:05:58,560
through Friday at our shelter located in
Manuel. For more information, visit our

3132
04:05:55,760 --> 04:06:04,000
website at obxspca.org
org or visit our OBX SPCA

3133
04:06:01,760 --> 04:06:08,160
Facebook page.
>> So definitely run out to OBX SPCA, check

3134
04:06:06,640 --> 04:06:12,319
out Tango and all the other little
kittens they've got out there and dogs

3135
04:06:10,399 --> 04:06:16,160
and whatever else might be running
around and give somebody their forever

3136
04:06:13,840 --> 04:06:19,199
home. And for that, Mr. Chairman, thank
you.

3137
04:06:16,720 --> 04:06:21,199
» Thank you, Vice Chair, Commissioner
Baitman.

3138
04:06:19,760 --> 04:06:27,279
» Yes, sir.
Um, so I had the um privilege or not so

3139
04:06:24,560 --> 04:06:34,880
privilege of of being on WTKR
interviewed by Will um concerning the

3140
04:06:30,640 --> 04:06:40,000
sales tax parks and wreck issue and the
followup phone calls I got after that

3141
04:06:37,439 --> 04:06:44,880
interview. A couple things came to mind
and that I think

3142
04:06:43,199 --> 04:06:48,239
I'm going to take a personal stance on,
but I would like to throw that to the

3143
04:06:46,160 --> 04:06:54,399
board to see what you guys think about
it. The first would be is, you know, we

3144
04:06:52,000 --> 04:06:58,960
cannot guarantee for future boards what
we're going to do with the sales tax

3145
04:06:56,080 --> 04:07:04,319
money, but we have stated that it's
going to be for parks and wreck. And

3146
04:07:01,600 --> 04:07:09,920
what I'd like to do is I'm going to take
a personal stance that as long as I'm an

3147
04:07:06,880 --> 04:07:15,600
elected official in Dair County and that
sales tax if it does pass, I'm going to

3148
04:07:12,560 --> 04:07:21,520
commit that that $6 million per year is
going to go directly to parks and wreck.

3149
04:07:18,720 --> 04:07:26,479
And I if we could somehow do that and do
it as a board and each take that

3150
04:07:23,760 --> 04:07:30,800
commitment, I think that would help the
citizens to realize that we're not only

3151
04:07:28,800 --> 04:07:35,160
committed, but we're committed to do
exactly what we say we're going to do.

3152
04:07:35,840 --> 04:07:48,016
» I I think you want to just word it to
support the debt issuance and the

3153
04:07:43,040 --> 04:07:51,680
related funding, meaning it's
>> [clears throat]

3154
04:07:48,399 --> 04:07:55,359
» You want to complete and execute that
strategic parks and recck plan and

3155
04:07:53,359 --> 04:08:00,319
that's your commitment, but you're not
specifying a dollar amount. It's

3156
04:07:57,199 --> 04:08:02,560
basically the tax will be used for that
purpose.

3157
04:08:00,720 --> 04:08:05,520
» Matt, I can't hear you if you mind
speaking into the microphone if you

3158
04:08:04,880 --> 04:08:08,960
will.
>> Go ahead.

3159
04:08:07,359 --> 04:08:12,479
» I thought I was kind of clear what I was
I wasn't.

3160
04:08:09,520 --> 04:08:16,640
» It was, but you can't use $6 million
because it might be $5 million next

3161
04:08:14,160 --> 04:08:21,279
year. um depending on what the tax does
over time, what you're doing is

3162
04:08:18,080 --> 04:08:24,319
committing the proceeds from that tax to
the recreation plan, whatever those

3163
04:08:23,439 --> 04:08:28,560
proceeds are
>> until that plan is completed.

3164
04:08:26,080 --> 04:08:32,880
» Until that plan is completed, um one
other thing I'll tell you about that

3165
04:08:30,080 --> 04:08:35,600
commitment and your comment about not
binding future boards, once you borrow

3166
04:08:34,960 --> 04:08:40,160
that money,
>> you found them. uh once you've borrowed

3167
04:08:37,600 --> 04:08:43,920
the money and you've started doing the
work and you've got the loan out there,

3168
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:45,840
then they're bound by that into the
future.

3169
04:08:44,239 --> 04:08:47,760
» We took out the mortgage, they inherited
the house, they still got to pay the

3170
04:08:47,120 --> 04:08:52,560
mortgage.
>> They will have to continue to pay that.

3171
04:08:49,920 --> 04:08:56,720
So, they can't then five years from now
says we're we're going to stop uh

3172
04:08:54,800 --> 04:09:01,439
because you will be already have that
debt and you'll have all that work done.

3173
04:08:59,040 --> 04:09:06,720
So once you
start and once you borrow the funds then

3174
04:09:03,920 --> 04:09:12,880
whoever comes behind you is locked in.
>> So de facto as soon as we execute the

3175
04:09:09,760 --> 04:09:16,080
loan or float the uh the bond we have
committed ourselves to the project by

3176
04:09:15,439 --> 04:09:20,319
definition.
>> That's right.

3177
04:09:16,560 --> 04:09:25,920
» For what 20 years [clears throat]
>> it'll be a 20 year not 55 54 million 55

3178
04:09:23,600 --> 04:09:29,840
million. Well, here's the here's the
point, at least when I take from

3179
04:09:27,760 --> 04:09:35,760
Commissioner Baitman, and I've stated
this publicly as well, and I'll continue

3180
04:09:31,680 --> 04:09:41,279
to state it. His intention is that
whatever is collected from, and quote me

3181
04:09:39,359 --> 04:09:45,199
if I'm wrong, Commissioner Baitman,
whatever is collected, I'm not putting a

3182
04:09:43,600 --> 04:09:51,279
dollar amount on it, but whatever is
collected from the quarter cent sales

3183
04:09:47,920 --> 04:09:56,640
tax, if it is, if it passes that he is
committing, and I agree, I will commit

3184
04:09:54,000 --> 04:10:01,439
that as long as I'm on this board, I
will not spend a penny of that for

3185
04:09:59,120 --> 04:10:06,479
anything else other than parks and
recrecks improvements. And again, you

3186
04:10:03,680 --> 04:10:10,319
may be committing to spend more if the
sales tax revenue is insufficient for

3187
04:10:08,800 --> 04:10:12,560
the debt service on the bond we're
floating.

3188
04:10:10,960 --> 04:10:17,279
» So, we're back to the original point
that we're going to float a

3189
04:10:14,739 --> 04:10:23,199
[clears throat] bond to fund the plan
for the public works and recreation.

3190
04:10:21,279 --> 04:10:27,760
» The [clears throat] the point being made
>> Well, you said public is social meds

3191
04:10:26,319 --> 04:10:33,120
and recreation.
point being made. There's so much

3192
04:10:29,680 --> 04:10:37,600
there's there's no trust out there. We
even said that earlier today with

3193
04:10:35,520 --> 04:10:40,399
respects to flock cameras. There's no
trust out there.

3194
04:10:38,640 --> 04:10:42,479
» Well, you've been lining your pockets
according to one.

3195
04:10:41,520 --> 04:10:48,000
» Absolutely.
>> We remember that. Um, this this takes

3196
04:10:45,120 --> 04:10:52,960
the nonrust as far as I'm concerned off
the table that I'm committing as long as

3197
04:10:50,239 --> 04:10:57,359
I remain commissioner that I will not
spend a penny of that quarter cent sales

3198
04:10:55,040 --> 04:11:00,239
tax for anything other than parks and
wrecks. It's that simple,

3199
04:10:59,600 --> 04:11:02,880
» you know.
>> Amen.

3200
04:11:00,960 --> 04:11:05,359
» And I make that same commitment. Well,
everybody else in this board made that

3201
04:11:04,399 --> 04:11:08,960
same commitment
>> 100%.

3202
04:11:07,040 --> 04:11:13,040
» Okay. So, it goes on the record.
>> Yes, it goes on the record.

3203
04:11:10,399 --> 04:11:15,199
» Okay. Helen, you put that in bold
letters when you print this.

3204
04:11:14,319 --> 04:11:18,160
» Big letters.
>> You don't know what I'm gonna be doing

3205
04:11:16,239 --> 04:11:22,720
in 20 years, but just in case I'm still
commissioner for 20 years until the

3206
04:11:19,920 --> 04:11:26,960
bonds paid off anyway. [laughter]
>> Okay. And the other the other thing that

3207
04:11:24,880 --> 04:11:30,880
it came up at the same time was what
were we going to spend the money on? And

3208
04:11:29,040 --> 04:11:34,319
so
>> you don't even have a plan. Oh, I'm

3209
04:11:33,199 --> 04:11:40,880
sorry. You do have a plan.
>> I do have We do have a plan. Okay. And

3210
04:11:36,640 --> 04:11:47,680
what the plan is is for the first year
um or with those first sets of money

3211
04:11:43,680 --> 04:11:53,199
that comes in synthetic turf on athletic
fields um updating existing fields based

3212
04:11:50,319 --> 04:12:00,000
on the highest current usage focused on
rectangular multi-use fields and that

3213
04:11:56,160 --> 04:12:04,880
will be approximately $6 million.
And I I'll make that commitment also.

3214
04:12:01,920 --> 04:12:09,520
That's what what we're going to do.
Go ahead.

3215
04:12:05,840 --> 04:12:14,960
» In in your report, there's a critical
need section on page six of that report

3216
04:12:12,160 --> 04:12:18,399
» and it has critical immediate needs and
there were four things. There was the

3217
04:12:16,239 --> 04:12:22,960
synthetic turf that he just said.
There's basically number two says stop

3218
04:12:21,279 --> 04:12:29,279
gap indoor expansions and updates.
That's the Oakley Collier report.

3219
04:12:26,880 --> 04:12:34,000
Then there's splash pads and playgrounds
and then there's playground access. And

3220
04:12:31,439 --> 04:12:38,560
then as you go to the next page of that
report. It has mid-range needs and long

3221
04:12:36,399 --> 04:12:43,439
range needs and and they come up with
our report.

3222
04:12:40,640 --> 04:12:49,199
What this will do, it will allow us to
build everything out that's in that

3223
04:12:45,520 --> 04:12:54,080
report and it would I've asked Dustin to
get our architects to look at it and

3224
04:12:51,120 --> 04:12:58,880
tell us timing wise and he says that
within three years we could have

3225
04:12:55,760 --> 04:13:04,479
everything in that report completed. So
if it passed then as soon as we could

3226
04:13:01,920 --> 04:13:10,479
get the money borrowed the plans drawn
in the start we're 32 months I think

3227
04:13:07,600 --> 04:13:16,080
from there to complete everything that's
in this plan you you mentioned in the

3228
04:13:13,760 --> 04:13:20,560
first year you know what presumably you
would do is you would do those immediate

3229
04:13:17,840 --> 04:13:25,520
needs in the first year and
or they would all go simultaneously

3230
04:13:23,680 --> 04:13:30,720
again depending on the workflow and the
manpower and all those kind of things

3231
04:13:27,040 --> 04:13:35,040
but the The report gives that priority
and it and it does do that and we're

3232
04:13:32,800 --> 04:13:40,000
doing everything on there. If anybody
wants to know what the Oakley Collier

3233
04:13:36,880 --> 04:13:44,960
report does is it says that the Nags
Head Soccer Complex that's talking about

3234
04:13:41,840 --> 04:13:48,800
the synthetic fields. Uh it's at the
Kill Level Hills Youth Center. There's a

3235
04:13:47,279 --> 04:13:53,760
bunch of building repair and
improvements and increasing the square

3236
04:13:50,880 --> 04:13:58,479
footage there. Uh creating bathroom
fixtures, another a new gym there. So,

3237
04:13:55,920 --> 04:14:03,760
there's a number of things there at the
Lions Club over here on Run Oak Island.

3238
04:14:00,960 --> 04:14:07,760
Similar things, a new gym there as well.
Uh there's pickle ball courts, which

3239
04:14:05,520 --> 04:14:13,520
we've already started that are in there.
Uh there at down at the Fezan Center,

3240
04:14:10,640 --> 04:14:17,120
there's again a litany of building
repair and improvements. Um some of

3241
04:14:15,520 --> 04:14:20,800
those things we've already started down
there, but other things would be done by

3242
04:14:18,880 --> 04:14:25,439
this. At the bomb center, there's a
number of building repairs updates and

3243
04:14:23,120 --> 04:14:29,920
and increases there, too. So there's a
whole list of those things that Oakley

3244
04:14:27,439 --> 04:14:34,000
Collier got out that would be done as
you know one of the top priorities in

3245
04:14:31,840 --> 04:14:37,760
this along with you know the other
things that that report does. So for

3246
04:14:35,600 --> 04:14:42,239
anyone that's interested, I think those
things are online and they can go look

3247
04:14:40,080 --> 04:14:46,080
and get the detail for those things. Uh
and they can see the priority and they

3248
04:14:44,000 --> 04:14:51,120
can see what all that stuff means and
and the cost. And again, the unknown

3249
04:14:48,640 --> 04:14:54,880
until this week was, you know, how long
was it going to take us to do that? And

3250
04:14:52,720 --> 04:14:59,359
the answer is we can have it done we
believe in 36 months. So So there's a

3251
04:14:57,520 --> 04:15:04,479
three-year process to complete this if
we had the revenue available to do that.

3252
04:15:02,239 --> 04:15:07,040
Well, there's there's so much out there
saying, "Well, we don't know what you're

3253
04:15:05,760 --> 04:15:11,760
going to do. We don't know what you're
going we but we we put it out there

3254
04:15:09,439 --> 04:15:16,399
multiple times. I mean, that's why we're
spending the funds to educate the

3255
04:15:14,159 --> 04:15:20,960
community what we're doing." And for
them to constantly say, "Well, you know,

3256
04:15:19,359 --> 04:15:25,760
I'd support this, but I don't know what
it's going for. I don't I don't know how

3257
04:15:22,640 --> 04:15:29,520
else we can get this word out. I just
told you it's going to go for syn

3258
04:15:27,680 --> 04:15:34,880
synthetic turf for the first year."
>> That's right.

3259
04:15:30,960 --> 04:15:40,319
Do we have on the website just like a
very simple clear link that we don't

3260
04:15:38,159 --> 04:15:43,439
have to go you know hunting around
searching under what

3261
04:15:41,279 --> 04:15:48,560
» sub just something click here and
there's the plan the critical needs yes

3262
04:15:46,319 --> 04:15:51,760
it's on the left sidebar towards the
very top of the page and then we added

3263
04:15:50,399 --> 04:15:55,040
it before the FAQs
>> because a few weeks ago it wasn't there

3264
04:15:53,279 --> 04:15:56,239
I was searching around I couldn't find
it

3265
04:15:55,760 --> 04:15:59,279
» all right
>> you shared that and a couple of other

3266
04:15:57,600 --> 04:16:03,199
people shared to make it more accessible
>> that's great thank And another item

3267
04:16:01,120 --> 04:16:07,600
we're working on is a really really
clear graphic that shows this all of the

3268
04:16:05,840 --> 04:16:11,920
needs that are going to be addressed all
the projects a one sheet and we'll

3269
04:16:09,920 --> 04:16:15,760
provide that to you guys also.
>> So can can we come in agreement that

3270
04:16:14,239 --> 04:16:19,479
number one priority is going to be the
synthetic turf.

3271
04:16:19,920 --> 04:16:25,439
» You're when you say that it means that
we're going to do that we're going to do

3272
04:16:23,600 --> 04:16:28,080
10 things. I understand. I understand
that. But

3273
04:16:26,960 --> 04:16:32,319
» I think if we just
>> we're going to do whatever you say.

3274
04:16:29,439 --> 04:16:36,000
» If we name one one one project, we're
going to get done with the first year.

3275
04:16:33,760 --> 04:16:39,520
» What's driving this earth? It's like uh
I don't understand.

3276
04:16:37,279 --> 04:16:42,880
» Social media.
>> Social media and the and and the six

3277
04:16:41,359 --> 04:16:45,439
phone calls I got following the
interview. Well,

3278
04:16:43,760 --> 04:16:49,520
» they just want to know what are you
going to spend your money on? The first

3279
04:16:47,359 --> 04:16:53,199
thing, what's the priority? And I said,
well, I said synthetic turfs. Well,

3280
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:56,080
how's your board feel about it? I said,
"Well, I'm going to find out.

3281
04:16:54,479 --> 04:16:59,120
» I would tell you if you ask me what
we're going to do first, I would tell

3282
04:16:57,439 --> 04:17:01,920
you we're going to do the the four
things that are the critical needs that

3283
04:17:00,880 --> 04:17:03,040
simultaneously."
>> Thank you.

3284
04:17:02,640 --> 04:17:04,560
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

3285
04:17:03,520 --> 04:17:08,560
» And I agree to that.
>> Yeah. And we and we would also go with

3286
04:17:06,720 --> 04:17:09,840
go with what the uh parks and rec
advisory board,

3287
04:17:09,520 --> 04:17:13,600
» right,
>> asked us to do.

3288
04:17:12,159 --> 04:17:20,720
» Okay.
Irvin, I think the critical thing that

3289
04:17:16,239 --> 04:17:27,520
you've asked us that the media needs to
to emphasize with a

3290
04:17:24,720 --> 04:17:31,279
putting big red bold letters is the
simple fact of the matter is our board's

3291
04:17:29,680 --> 04:17:36,239
unanimous
about not spending a penny of that

3292
04:17:34,239 --> 04:17:38,640
quarter cent sales tax if it if it's
approved for anything but parks and

3293
04:17:38,239 --> 04:17:44,159
wreck.
>> Okay. I I think that's the that's the

3294
04:17:41,520 --> 04:17:50,960
that's the biggest thing out there that
we could tell the public and we've all

3295
04:17:47,120 --> 04:17:56,159
committed right here today. Um so I I
don't know how they could call us out

3296
04:17:53,040 --> 04:18:01,120
because we've all committed to that.
>> But that's why we're relying on the

3297
04:17:58,479 --> 04:18:07,199
Murray Helens of the world to educate
them and tell them this is this is what

3298
04:18:04,239 --> 04:18:12,800
the board's doing. [laughter]
>> Okay. All right. Let's talk brighte.

3299
04:18:10,399 --> 04:18:19,920
Um
in conversation um Mary Ellen and myself

3300
04:18:16,560 --> 04:18:27,600
been talking to Johnny with um
McGuire and Woods um about lobbying for

3301
04:18:24,319 --> 04:18:34,479
us uh the utilities commission as well
as the Senate and the House to help us

3302
04:18:30,399 --> 04:18:40,560
get that loop done in Hatteris. Um, so I
would like us to um the direction to

3303
04:18:37,520 --> 04:18:45,600
give Bobby and staff to contact them and
get them on the work um of having a

3304
04:18:43,520 --> 04:18:50,239
conversation not only with one of his
partners who used to be chairman of the

3305
04:18:48,159 --> 04:18:55,120
utilities commission to lobby those
guys, what we can do uh to push this

3306
04:18:53,279 --> 04:18:59,920
thing forward as quickly as possible,
what we need to do to um make it work

3307
04:18:57,680 --> 04:19:03,600
and then also lobby the Senate and the
House to do the same thing. And Mary

3308
04:19:02,239 --> 04:19:07,120
Ellen's got something I think she's
going to add to, but she's got some

3309
04:19:05,439 --> 04:19:11,279
things she's already contacted some
folks that she might want to add.

3310
04:19:08,479 --> 04:19:15,040
» Well, we we can certainly add that to MG
Maguire Woods list of things to do for

3311
04:19:13,840 --> 04:19:17,520
us. Absolutely.
>> That's really important.

3312
04:19:15,600 --> 04:19:23,279
» That's what we're paying for.
>> Okay. Um then the last thing I have on

3313
04:19:20,560 --> 04:19:27,920
here is the um pumps on Highway 12. I
talked to Bobby and when we met down

3314
04:19:25,439 --> 04:19:33,279
there, we all went down and had a good
meeting down there with the citizens.

3315
04:19:31,199 --> 04:19:36,479
uh you know, we get a flood, it takes a
while to get permits and pumps. Bobby,

3316
04:19:35,040 --> 04:19:40,800
would you like to let them know what you
found out about uh having pumps down

3317
04:19:38,720 --> 04:19:48,239
there and pumping on a a moment's
notice? So, we've talked [clears throat]

3318
04:19:43,520 --> 04:19:52,479
with DOT and they are on board. We've
talked with the park service and they

3319
04:19:50,560 --> 04:19:58,399
say that they would give us the permits
quickly to pump because we have to do it

3320
04:19:55,279 --> 04:20:03,520
into the ocean. Um we have talked with
DEEQ in Raleigh. um they said they could

3321
04:20:01,520 --> 04:20:08,479
move quickly and we could pump, you
know, when we have those emergencies. Um

3322
04:20:06,560 --> 04:20:12,800
who I have not talked to is fish and
wildlife. The the actual pipe has to

3323
04:20:11,040 --> 04:20:17,040
cross the fish and wildlife. I wouldn't
expect that to be a problem, but I have

3324
04:20:14,720 --> 04:20:21,600
not had a conversation with them yet
about that. Um so I think that the

3325
04:20:19,520 --> 04:20:26,560
answer to the question is we can
>> do that understanding that

3326
04:20:24,720 --> 04:20:30,159
it takes some amount of time to get the
pumps there, some amount of times to get

3327
04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:34,640
it set up. If we take those great big
pumps, it may require lane closures and

3328
04:20:32,399 --> 04:20:40,560
things like that to be able to do them.
Um, if you use the great big pumps, then

3329
04:20:37,760 --> 04:20:45,680
they have a if the water's shallower
than about 4 in, they won't work because

3330
04:20:43,760 --> 04:20:49,920
you can't get a suction because the hose
is bigger than the

3331
04:20:48,080 --> 04:20:56,159
the depth of the water and so the pump
won't pump. Um, and so you can pump it

3332
04:20:53,040 --> 04:21:01,120
down when you use those. Um, you're also
trying to debate when you have water on

3333
04:20:58,880 --> 04:21:07,279
the road, how long do you think it's
going to stay there? Uh, in past times,

3334
04:21:04,640 --> 04:21:12,800
if it came a lot of times in a day, it
was gone and pumping wasn't required.

3335
04:21:10,319 --> 04:21:17,359
And so, there's some a little bit of
wait and see before you get all these

3336
04:21:15,760 --> 04:21:22,399
groups working together and get all that
stuff out there. this last time it

3337
04:21:20,239 --> 04:21:27,680
clearly didn't move off of there for a
long time and pumping should have been

3338
04:21:24,000 --> 04:21:31,520
done earlier and you know we had as we
said down there we had talked to DOT

3339
04:21:29,520 --> 04:21:34,479
about that and they said no that you
know we weren't going to do that that

3340
04:21:33,199 --> 04:21:38,960
was they're going to wait for it to
dissipate and then it didn't dissipate

3341
04:21:36,960 --> 04:21:42,000
as quickly as they said. So, I think
they learned some things there and I

3342
04:21:40,399 --> 04:21:47,120
think we're prepared to help them do
that when the time comes and so uh we

3343
04:21:44,640 --> 04:21:51,920
will react and be ready to go uh when
that happens. Uh and I do need to follow

3344
04:21:50,479 --> 04:21:58,319
up with fish and wildlife to be sure
there's no issues there.

3345
04:21:55,120 --> 04:22:02,000
I say this not to be smart,
but if you want to do it quicker and

3346
04:22:00,159 --> 04:22:06,560
you're worried about all them big pieces
of equipment, a sump pump in a water

3347
04:22:04,720 --> 04:22:11,199
hose will work pretty dag on good
pumping water.

3348
04:22:09,520 --> 04:22:16,319
» I'll tell you that when you're pumping
those waters at the water levels we had,

3349
04:22:13,920 --> 04:22:20,880
you're basically pumping the water in
the road and the water in the pond until

3350
04:22:19,040 --> 04:22:23,840
the pond gets down to the level of the
road. It's a That's a lot a lot a lot of

3351
04:22:23,120 --> 04:22:25,760
water.
>> It is a lot of cell phones,

3352
04:22:25,439 --> 04:22:29,656
» huh?
>> That's a lot of cell phones.

3353
04:22:26,880 --> 04:22:32,800
» Yeah, it's a lot of something pumps.
[clears throat]

3354
04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:35,120
» Figure figure it out to to make it work
quick, Bobby.

3355
04:22:33,600 --> 04:22:41,199
» Yes, sir.
>> Because I mean, really, we don't need to

3356
04:22:37,840 --> 04:22:46,159
sit around for days. I I you know, you
got the mines and you got the equipment,

3357
04:22:43,680 --> 04:22:50,960
so figure it out to figure out how quick
you can get down there and pump it.

3358
04:22:47,520 --> 04:22:53,199
Well, the good news is we got a um D is
working with Fish and Wildlife now. So,

3359
04:22:52,560 --> 04:22:55,920
they'll
>> Yeah, they got a good working

3360
04:22:54,720 --> 04:22:59,520
relationship.
>> That's all I got.

3361
04:22:56,880 --> 04:23:04,880
» Thank you, Commissioner. Good work,
Carson. Commissioner Krief.

3362
04:23:02,319 --> 04:23:11,199
» Yeah, I've got a few things obviously.
Number one is our remembrance of 911.

3363
04:23:09,199 --> 04:23:17,120
I've got a dear friend of mine lives in
Pirates Cove. Never knew it for years.

3364
04:23:14,720 --> 04:23:22,640
He's avid collector. He's he's pretty
wealthy. Collects all grades of music,

3365
04:23:20,080 --> 04:23:25,680
memorabilia, guitars, everything.
Signed, baseball stuff, everything in

3366
04:23:24,560 --> 04:23:29,279
the world. And I asked him what his
favorite thing was. And he said, "A

3367
04:23:26,960 --> 04:23:34,080
suit." I said, "A suit?" I said, "Whose
suit was it?" I'm thinking Frank Sinatra

3368
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:38,000
or somebody else. He said, "My suit." I
said, "Your suit? What's so special

3369
04:23:36,000 --> 04:23:42,080
about your suit?" He said, "I was
wearing it in the South Tower when it

3370
04:23:39,920 --> 04:23:46,720
hit and the burn marks are still in it."
>> Wow.

3371
04:23:44,479 --> 04:23:51,120
And that's a pretty shocking thing to
think about. Just your average day at

3372
04:23:49,040 --> 04:23:56,399
work, you're not thinking anything of
it. You get your breakfast, you head

3373
04:23:53,600 --> 04:24:00,479
upstairs, and next thing you know,
you're involved directly in the biggest

3374
04:23:58,560 --> 04:24:06,399
terror attack in the history of the
United States.

3375
04:24:02,640 --> 04:24:11,040
Uh obviously 25 years later, it's it is
easy for some people to forget.

3376
04:24:08,720 --> 04:24:15,760
Certainly, we have a whole generation of
young people now who weren't even alive

3377
04:24:12,960 --> 04:24:21,840
when it happened. And I think it is good
to have these walks and have these

3378
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:28,080
events to memorialize these people who
lost their lives. And uh and it disgusts

3379
04:24:25,120 --> 04:24:31,520
me when I see certain individuals
running for public office across the

3380
04:24:29,920 --> 04:24:37,279
country, one in particular saying that
we deserved 911.

3381
04:24:34,640 --> 04:24:42,080
I don't think those women who were
jumping off of that burning building

3382
04:24:39,840 --> 04:24:48,319
with their last ounce of dignity holding
their blouses down as they plummeted

3383
04:24:45,279 --> 04:24:53,840
towards the street. I don't think
anybody deserves that and I think that

3384
04:24:51,840 --> 04:25:00,560
we should remember those people and
honor them in the best way that we can.

3385
04:24:56,159 --> 04:25:05,199
So please if you're around have day off
obviously I believe it's on a Friday

3386
04:25:02,800 --> 04:25:08,880
this year is that correct
please participate in that walk over

3387
04:25:07,199 --> 04:25:15,680
there to remember those who lost their
lives during such a horrific event.

3388
04:25:12,960 --> 04:25:20,000
Secondly
uh

3389
04:25:18,159 --> 04:25:23,840
we got to get these splash pads off of
here.

3390
04:25:21,840 --> 04:25:29,279
I'm just saying that's what I've caught
the most flack on. I know Urban's got

3391
04:25:26,080 --> 04:25:34,319
some phone calls. I have to
u Yeah, I'm not going to vote in favor

3392
04:25:31,920 --> 04:25:37,680
of splash pads when we got sound and
ocean [laughter] right here. We got

3393
04:25:36,239 --> 04:25:41,040
surrounded by more water than anywhere
in the world really.

3394
04:25:40,000 --> 04:25:43,600
» Oh,
>> splash pads.

3395
04:25:42,399 --> 04:25:49,120
» Yeah,
>> that's the issue holding up the $57

3396
04:25:46,159 --> 04:25:53,199
million parks and wreck. Two splash
pads.

3397
04:25:51,120 --> 04:26:02,800
» Yeah, I don't I don't I don't
>> sure I got it clear. Yeah. Uh,

3398
04:25:58,159 --> 04:26:07,120
pretty much. And other than that,
uh, we got dove season coming up.

3399
04:26:04,560 --> 04:26:12,960
Everybody please stay safe out there.
Uh, obviously there's a lot of people

3400
04:26:11,359 --> 04:26:17,840
hunting close together during dove
season, but I hope everybody enjoys it.

3401
04:26:16,080 --> 04:26:22,000
And other than that, I'm gonna keep it
pretty brief.

3402
04:26:19,760 --> 04:26:25,920
» Thank you, Commissioner.
Commissioner Burus,

3403
04:26:24,319 --> 04:26:30,239
» I think everybody's pretty much touched
on everything. Uh 911 coming up is a

3404
04:26:28,159 --> 04:26:34,640
very big day. We all look forward to
doing that walk. Uh I thank Lee for

3405
04:26:32,239 --> 04:26:38,640
taking the time out and uh and getting
gussied up and coming out here and

3406
04:26:36,399 --> 04:26:41,760
letting us know about it. Um I
appreciate the time and the effort he

3407
04:26:40,080 --> 04:26:46,880
takes to put that event together and the
people that uh that donate and the

3408
04:26:44,319 --> 04:26:53,359
people that show up and walk every year.
Um 25 years, you know, make sure we

3409
04:26:50,560 --> 04:26:56,239
don't forget. Uh other than that, you
know, it's a the children youth

3410
04:26:54,640 --> 04:27:00,880
partnership with the diapers. That's
fantastic. Uh we're very blessed in in

3411
04:26:58,720 --> 04:27:05,760
Dair County. We have a lot of nonprofits
here and a lot of people that are in

3412
04:27:04,104 --> 04:27:10,399
[clears throat] need. The gaps are
filled in by these nonprofits. So, I'm

3413
04:27:08,560 --> 04:27:13,840
very thankful for all the work. Uh if
you're out there and you're listening

3414
04:27:11,520 --> 04:27:17,920
and you're in a nonprofit, thank you for
all you do. Thank you for giving back to

3415
04:27:15,520 --> 04:27:22,800
the community. Um, thank you for filling
in those gaps and uh the community

3416
04:27:20,319 --> 04:27:26,000
certainly appreciates it and uh and I
appreciate it. So, I just want to take a

3417
04:27:24,479 --> 04:27:30,399
minute and thank everybody that that
works with those and all the work they

3418
04:27:28,399 --> 04:27:33,760
do. And that's all I have, sir.
>> Thank you, Commissioner Commissioner

3419
04:27:32,560 --> 04:27:36,854
Balance.
>> I'll try to be brief, but I got quite a

3420
04:27:35,439 --> 04:27:41,680
few things here. Um, we're
[clears throat] doing a coyote meeting

3421
04:27:38,640 --> 04:27:47,279
down in Hatteris um on September 10th at
six o'clock at the Fezan Center. Um the

3422
04:27:44,800 --> 04:27:51,040
uh wildlife guys are coming in to talk
about coyotes on Hatter Island because

3423
04:27:49,199 --> 04:27:55,199
it's it's kind of I saw a picture on
Facebook the other day where one was

3424
04:27:52,960 --> 04:27:58,560
coming out of those you know woods
looking at my friend's house and she

3425
04:27:57,040 --> 04:28:03,359
took a picture of him coming across the
street. So anyway, we um uh just being

3426
04:28:01,439 --> 04:28:08,880
proactive in getting that information
out on coyotes and how they operate. um

3427
04:28:07,040 --> 04:28:12,640
September 10th I will actually last
minute have to be out of town so I will

3428
04:28:10,880 --> 04:28:17,120
not be there but Dorothy said she would
be there and um so hopefully it will be

3429
04:28:15,279 --> 04:28:20,720
well attended. I think there's getting
into the fall will be a little bit of

3430
04:28:18,479 --> 04:28:25,120
ramp up on that. Um and following up
with um what uh Commissioner Baitman

3431
04:28:23,199 --> 04:28:28,560
said about Bright Speed. I've been
communicating back and forth and I've

3432
04:28:26,720 --> 04:28:34,560
included you guys in those emails as
I've been um messaging with Mr. Brewer

3433
04:28:31,439 --> 04:28:39,040
and I am sending out today two letters
of information or requests from for

3434
04:28:37,600 --> 04:28:44,000
information from the utilities
commission and from the North Carolina

3435
04:28:40,880 --> 04:28:47,840
Department of Information Technology. Um
just requesting some clarification on

3436
04:28:45,680 --> 04:28:52,159
Bright Speed's responsibility
um what their responsibilities are as a

3437
04:28:50,000 --> 04:28:55,120
private um company and then
clarification on their grant funding

3438
04:28:53,600 --> 04:28:58,640
that they have already received and how
and when they're able to use that. So

3439
04:28:57,199 --> 04:29:04,399
hopefully we'll get some response on
that. Um

3440
04:29:01,520 --> 04:29:12,159
Rob um mentioned the child care. I they
have um put out um ads for a director

3441
04:29:07,520 --> 04:29:16,560
position for the title um daycare um
nonprofit on Hatter Island and they are

3442
04:29:14,560 --> 04:29:19,439
also um currently working on the floors
and the painting and that's almost

3443
04:29:17,680 --> 04:29:24,000
complete. So that is moving forward
well. Um we had with all this rain

3444
04:29:22,479 --> 04:29:26,880
there's been some um flooding in
Hatteris Village. [clears throat]

3445
04:29:25,600 --> 04:29:31,439
There's a drainage system through
Hatteris and there's and most of it is

3446
04:29:29,760 --> 04:29:36,560
working properly, but there's one area
in front of Sunny's restaurant at Willis

3447
04:29:34,239 --> 04:29:41,840
Boat Landing where it's really clogged
and it's it's pretty bad. It's um but

3448
04:29:39,359 --> 04:29:47,760
I've we've been in talks with Tess and
with um uh Ronnie and they have

3449
04:29:46,159 --> 04:29:52,159
identified kind of where the issue is.
So, that is being worked on and so um

3450
04:29:50,560 --> 04:29:56,720
hopefully that will get taken care of.
I've also um will be talking with Ethan

3451
04:29:54,640 --> 04:30:02,479
about that and also with the crosswalks
because the crosswalks have been a in

3452
04:29:59,359 --> 04:30:06,479
the summertime it is especially at dark
where all the ice cream shops are

3453
04:30:03,920 --> 04:30:13,439
popping up everywhere. It's amazing how
much. And then finally, and this is

3454
04:30:10,239 --> 04:30:21,520
important one, um, for those of you that
haven't heard, the CCA won a state case

3455
04:30:17,760 --> 04:30:27,760
against um or the the CCA won a case
against the state for not protecting our

3456
04:30:25,199 --> 04:30:32,960
um fishing
um resource. So, couple things have

3457
04:30:31,439 --> 04:30:39,439
happened since then. Bob and I went to
the NCAACCC and we were able to do a

3458
04:30:35,120 --> 04:30:43,359
presentation on um the impacts of the
fishing. We were able to talk to a lot

3459
04:30:41,199 --> 04:30:47,439
of commissioners across the state about
fishing and what that has kind of meant

3460
04:30:44,880 --> 04:30:52,159
for us. So that was really a really um
great experience. Um and we also on our

3461
04:30:50,159 --> 04:30:58,000
way out were able to stop and speak at
the MFC um meeting too and voice our

3462
04:30:55,520 --> 04:31:01,520
concerns about how this case plays out.
The thing that's kind of troubling and

3463
04:30:59,760 --> 04:31:06,720
the judge has asked for both sides,
which would be the state and the CCA to

3464
04:31:03,439 --> 04:31:10,800
come back with a recommendation,
nowhere in that

3465
04:31:08,960 --> 04:31:15,600
does commercial fishing have a voice.
And so now our fishing is going to be

3466
04:31:12,960 --> 04:31:19,680
subjected to a court case. And it's kind
of scary time if if you're trying to get

3467
04:31:18,239 --> 04:31:24,080
your nets ready for pound net season,
which my husband's been doing for

3468
04:31:21,359 --> 04:31:27,359
several weeks now. And uh so it'll be
interesting. We're going to have to be

3469
04:31:25,439 --> 04:31:31,520
super diligent about that. I'm excited
to see what comes out of the coalition

3470
04:31:29,040 --> 04:31:36,399
meeting. I hope that we get a lot of
attendance for that because it's getting

3471
04:31:33,359 --> 04:31:41,760
ready to ramp up pretty pretty big. So,
um, yep, it was a great, um, we Bobby

3472
04:31:38,720 --> 04:31:46,399
Hanig, Jess Hawkins, my husband, and,
um, and Bob were on the panel, and we

3473
04:31:43,840 --> 04:31:51,680
did a panel discussion about how the
coalition has worked to inform other

3474
04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:56,560
commissioners and other and the public
about the fishing issues in our um,

3475
04:31:53,840 --> 04:32:02,319
coastal communities. And I think it was
it was good. It was a really good

3476
04:31:59,680 --> 04:32:07,439
a really good time. So that's all I got.
>> Thank you. To piggyback on what Marie

3477
04:32:04,800 --> 04:32:14,640
Ellen said, we um we got really really
good feedback from the session. Um and

3478
04:32:10,800 --> 04:32:18,640
it was taped. So have you checked on
when that might be? They said it was

3479
04:32:16,399 --> 04:32:22,800
going to they said it they said it was
going to take I think two weeks but um

3480
04:32:20,720 --> 04:32:26,720
Dorothy said we could get it up on the
coalition website on the Dair County

3481
04:32:24,960 --> 04:32:30,319
website. It'll be a YouTube video. So
hope as soon as we get that back we'll

3482
04:32:28,960 --> 04:32:34,720
» Yeah. [clears throat] So we to release
it also really really happy to get in

3483
04:32:32,640 --> 04:32:42,239
front of that audience
at the NO annual convention and uh we'll

3484
04:32:38,720 --> 04:32:48,800
we'll have this on our agenda for the uh
coastal um fisheries coalition meeting

3485
04:32:46,479 --> 04:32:53,040
uh I believe on the 16th I believe is
that date.

3486
04:32:49,520 --> 04:32:58,800
» Yes. Um and um then the county manager
and I head into Raleigh to meet with our

3487
04:32:56,159 --> 04:33:05,439
lobbyist on a couple of issues that next
day. So stay tuned. We'll keep you

3488
04:33:01,439 --> 04:33:11,279
posted on that. Uh unfortunately, and
Lee, this this is his fifth year doing

3489
04:33:07,600 --> 04:33:17,680
this and Lee's done a great job with
this 911. Unfortunately, uh I'm out of

3490
04:33:14,639 --> 04:33:22,480
town. I usually go out of town on
September 11th because September 11th is

3491
04:33:20,561 --> 04:33:29,039
my birthday
and uh 911 is on my conscience all day

3492
04:33:26,400 --> 04:33:35,439
long that day and thinking about those
people. But normally I'm out of town on

3493
04:33:31,840 --> 04:33:39,600
the 11th and um I'm unfortunately I will
not be there but I will certainly be

3494
04:33:36,959 --> 04:33:45,920
thinking about um you folks that are
walking and thinking about uh the folks

3495
04:33:42,400 --> 04:33:47,920
that we lost on 911. So with that being
said, um

3496
04:33:47,039 --> 04:33:50,561
» Mr. Chairman,
>> we pardon

3497
04:33:49,119 --> 04:33:56,480
» real quick. I just wanted to also say
our our thoughts and prayers with Dewey

3498
04:33:53,439 --> 04:34:01,279
uh right now in in hopefully uh on his
way well well on his way hopefully on

3499
04:33:58,320 --> 04:34:04,639
his way to recovery um you know after
after what he's been through. So our

3500
04:34:03,119 --> 04:34:08,400
thoughts and prayers are with him you
know especially as much as we've talked

3501
04:34:06,561 --> 04:34:12,639
about the commercial fishing industry
and he is a huge advocate one of the

3502
04:34:10,879 --> 04:34:15,520
biggest advocates for him. So
>> I got one more. Absolutely. Thank you

3503
04:34:14,561 --> 04:34:19,840
for bringing that.
>> I got one thing to add to that that I

3504
04:34:17,600 --> 04:34:24,719
forgot during mine. God forbid I forgot
it. On September 12th at the home

3505
04:34:22,480 --> 04:34:28,561
ministry center in W Cheese, we're going
to be doing a big fundraiser for Dewey

3506
04:34:27,199 --> 04:34:29,600
down there. They're doing barbecue
plates.

3507
04:34:29,039 --> 04:34:32,879
» Fantastic.
>> And it's going to be a drive-thru thing.

3508
04:34:31,359 --> 04:34:35,680
So, please tell everybody, you know, to
go down there and we're going to try to

3509
04:34:34,160 --> 04:34:39,039
raise some money for him and his family
there.

3510
04:34:36,160 --> 04:34:43,039
» Great. Thank you, Carson.
Okay. With that being said, we need a

3511
04:34:41,039 --> 04:34:48,160
motion to adjourn for close session.
>> I need a motion for close session

3512
04:34:44,574 --> 04:34:51,680
[snorts] pursuant to NCGS143-318
11 A3 to consult with an attorney

3513
04:34:50,160 --> 04:34:53,439
employer retained by the county in order
to preserve the attorney client

3514
04:34:52,799 --> 04:34:56,879
privilege.
>> So move motion on the floor by the vice

3515
04:34:55,840 --> 04:35:00,639
chair. It's been seconded by
Commissioner Burus. Any further

3516
04:34:58,400 --> 04:35:07,561
discussion? Hearing none. Those in favor
signify by saying I. I post second.

3517
04:35:03,680 --> 04:35:07,561
Motion carries unanimous.

3518
04:35:07,680 --> 04:35:12,799
I call the Dair County Board of
Commissioners meeting back to order and

3519
04:35:10,639 --> 04:35:15,760
I'll turn it over to county manager.
>> Sure. In the close session, the board

3520
04:35:14,080 --> 04:35:22,320
approved the minutes of the last close
session and authorized me to come before

3521
04:35:18,959 --> 04:35:28,320
you to ask forward you a motion to
approve outside council because I have a

3522
04:35:24,879 --> 04:35:32,320
conflict to uh proceed with enforcement
action with regard to the matter Casey

3523
04:35:30,400 --> 04:35:37,760
McFersonson. This is with regard to
zoning, building code, and fire code

3524
04:35:35,520 --> 04:35:40,320
ordinances. So moved.
>> Is there a second?

3525
04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:44,879
» Second.
>> Second. Madam vice chair.

3526
04:35:42,719 --> 04:35:47,439
Floor is open for discussion. Hearing
none. Those in favor signify by saying

3527
04:35:46,719 --> 04:35:52,639
I. I.
>> I. Oppos like sign. Motion carries

3528
04:35:50,240 --> 04:35:58,000
unanimous.
Thank you lady and gentlemen for a great

3529
04:35:55,279 --> 04:36:02,160
meeting today. We need to a motion to
adjourn until October the 5th at 900

3530
04:36:01,520 --> 04:36:04,799
a.m.
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3531
04:36:03,279 --> 04:36:07,600
» Motion on the floor by Commissioner
Balance.

3532
04:36:05,359 --> 04:36:12,080
» Second. Second by Commissioner Burus.
Further discussion hearing? None. Those

3533
04:36:09,760 --> 04:36:15,199
in favor signify by saying I. I.
>> Oppos like sent.