1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:09,440 Uh all right, welcome. This is the Town of Darian Sewer Commission agenda, uh 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:14,960 which starts with a public hearing on today, which is Tuesday, September 8th 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:20,000 at 4:30 p.m. And although the agenda incorrectly notes September 9th, I will 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:25,199 point out that the legal notice that was published and posted in the town clerk's 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:29,760 office does in fact say September 8th. So, I am comfortable looking forward 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:34,880 with the public hearing on those terms. Um, we are in room 206 at town hall 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:40,640 calling the meeting to order at 4:30 p.m. And the first item on our agenda is 8 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:47,360 a public hearing to discuss uh setting our sanitary sewer user fees for the 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:52,160 next fiscal year. I will start this by reading the legal notice which uh notice 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:56,960 of public hearing on proposed amendments to sanitary sewer regulations. Darian 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:01:00,399 Town Hall, room 206, September 8th, 2026. The town of Darianne Sewer 12 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:05,199 Commission will conduct public hearing at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th, 13 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:08,799 2026 in room 206 of Darian Town Hall to Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 6812 14 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,200 for the purpose of affording property owners and residents within the town of 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,320 Darian. An opportunity to be heard concerning proposed amendments to the 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Darian code of ordinance appendix C administrative regulations. Amend sewer 17 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:23,840 user fees article 11 sanitary sewer regulations section 1000-6 service 18 00:01:21,759 --> 00:01:29,520 charges subsection amendments and relevant part are proposed up to the 19 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:37,439 following rates um 6-2.1 effective October 1 2026 the standard charge shall 20 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:44,479 be at a rate between $7.40 40 and $755 per 100 cubic feet of water. And section 21 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:51,920 6-3.1 effective October 1, 2026, the minimum service charge shall be $29143 22 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:55,119 perom 0% change. Uh all members of the public are invited to participate and 23 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,439 will be given opportunity to be heard regarding the proposed changes by order 24 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:07,640 of the Darian Sewer Commission. Greg J. Clarity, chairman. Uh, with that I will 25 00:02:02,399 --> 00:02:07,640 ask if there is any public comment. 26 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Do we get anything in by email? >> Any anecdotal information or 27 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:21,840 conversations? Okay. Any comment by the commission? If 28 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:26,080 not, I'll ask for a uh well, I guess did we have a motion to open the hearing? 29 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,319 » Make a motion we open the hearing. >> Second. 30 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,120 » All those in favor of opening the hearing. 31 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,920 » Okay. Does anybody want to talk to this matter? Nobody's in the room. Does 32 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,280 anyone want to make a motion to close the hearing? 33 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,239 » Do we have to set the rate? >> Uh, no. We do that in our regular. 34 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,720 » I'll make a motion we close it. >> I'll second that. 35 00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:46,400 » All those in favor? All right. The public hearing on the sewer user fees 36 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:51,920 has been held. We will decide uh the matter under our regular meeting agenda 37 00:02:48,720 --> 00:03:00,959 later this afternoon. Uh our second thing on the agenda is um 38 00:02:57,519 --> 00:03:05,760 where did I put my agenda? Uh is uh a public hearing number two 39 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:12,560 uh related to sanitary sewer regulations and proposed amendments to the code of 40 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:17,840 ordinances. Um I think having to do with uh making appeals um 41 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,440 » 434 >> uh uh uh 42 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:25,840 » conditional >> conditioned upon of appropriately up to 43 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,760 date filled out some pump compliance. All right, 44 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:30,080 » I'll move we open the public hearing. >> Okay, there we go. 45 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,640 » I'll second. >> All those in favor of opening the public 46 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,159 hearing. All right, the public hearing on amendments to the sanitary se 47 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,159 regulations is open. I will read the legal notice that was published in the 48 00:03:38,239 --> 00:03:42,959 newspaper and posted in the town clerk's office. Uh town of Darian Sewer 49 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Commission will conduct a public hearing at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th, 50 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:52,480 2026 in room 206 at Darian Town Hall to Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 0620 51 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,959 for the purpose of affording property owners and residents within the town of 52 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Darian. An opportunity to be heard concerning proposed amendments to the 53 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Darian code of ordinance appendix C administrative regulations. Amend 54 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:07,040 article 13 some pump removal regulations concerning the abatement of elicit 55 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:12,000 discharge into public sewers section 1013-9 56 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:20,479 violations and penalties semicolon enforcement and in that uh uh title uh 57 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:27,040 add subsection C sewer user fee appeal. No sewer user shall be allowed to appeal 58 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:31,040 their annual sewer user fee if colon one the town has not received a completed 59 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:35,199 sump pump compliance statement for said property or two the property some pump 60 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:39,199 discharge is connected to the sanitary sewer system and no substantial progress 61 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,240 has been made to disconnect. All members of the public are invited to participate 62 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:48,000 and will be given an opportunity to be heard regarding the proposed changes 63 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:52,000 » by order of the Darian sewer commission chairman. All right. Uh, I have read the 64 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:57,120 legal notice and now I will ask if there are any members of the public that would 65 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:00,560 like to comment on this public hearing. >> Do we get any emails? Oh, 66 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,360 » matter of fact. >> Oh, okay. 67 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,960 » I haven't read it. >> Okay. 68 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,520 » The first one or the second one? First. >> I will let the chairman read it to 69 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,880 himself and >> Okay. 70 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:13,880 » See if it's appropriate. 71 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:31,199 Okay. Um, I think it is a public comment that is related to uh the public hearing 72 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:36,160 that is currently open. Uh, and it was received before 400 p.m. today, which is 73 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:43,280 our request. So, I'm going to read it into the record. Uh the email is from 74 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:48,639 Alexisu uh dated this morning uh Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 at 9:56 75 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:53,440 a.m. to the Darian Sewer Commission regarding the sewer fee appeal/pot 76 00:05:51,039 --> 00:05:56,639 potential ordinance change. Dear Sewer Commission, I saw the proposed ordinance 77 00:05:55,039 --> 00:06:00,720 change on your agenda for today. I'm guessing the idea behind linking the 78 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:05,360 right to appeal a sewer user fee to some pump compliance is to give people an 79 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:10,240 incentive to comply. But I question the choice of incentive. My understanding is 80 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:15,280 that state law already gives someone who is agrieved by a sewer charge the right 81 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:19,280 to appeal to superior court. Uh what is the town accomplishing by taking away 82 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:23,600 the local appeal process other than potentially forcing a resident to go to 83 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:27,600 court costing both the resident and the town time and money over something that 84 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:34,319 might otherwise be resolved locally respectfully? Alexis Sweet uh 20 Beverly 85 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:41,039 Place. Okay. Any other public comment? That was it. All right. Uh, any comments 86 00:06:37,919 --> 00:06:44,840 by the commissioners or else I'll take a motion to close the hearing. 87 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:52,400 » I'll move we close close the hearing. >> Okay. Move to close. Second to close. 88 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:56,639 All those in favor of closing. >> Okay. Public hearing is closed. We will 89 00:06:54,240 --> 00:07:01,120 now get on with the business we are getting on with today. 90 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:06,639 Uh, okay. Let's start with uh the minutes 91 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:14,880 from the meeting that I did not attend, but I did watch the videos through 92 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:19,160 of uh Oh, do we have to do >> August 11th? Okay. 93 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:48,240 Yeah, literally the only thing I saw was were Susan's letter is written 94 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:53,520 read into the minutes. Uh I have reviewed and read your I have reviewed 95 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:58,960 your numbers and vote to leave. Not votes to leave. 96 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:02,479 Got it. Okay. But that's as >> pretty minor. 97 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:06,759 » Minor as minor could be. >> Hold on. You out petered Peter. 98 00:08:09,599 --> 00:08:14,400 » Other than that, >> want to make a motion? 99 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:19,919 » Yeah, go for it. >> Oh, I think Peter first, Reese second 100 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:25,840 » to approve the minutes with the minor nit called out by Commissioner Hill. Uh, 101 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:28,319 all those in favor of approving the minutes. 102 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,879 » Okay, the minutes are adopted. They're going to ask me. 103 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:32,000 » I also watched the meeting. >> Okay. 104 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:36,959 » Because I wasn't. >> It's exciting to watch that. 105 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,839 » Did it on my phone. >> Where was that? 106 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:44,880 » Yeah. Could you help us out, please? >> Um, on page two of five 107 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:50,000 » where it said, "Mr. Hill read the following email into the record by Susan 108 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:54,640 Cameron. Hi, Ed. I have reviewed your numbers and vote to leave the race. 109 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:57,120 » The S. >> Get rid of the S. 110 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,480 » Vote. >> Got it. 111 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,800 » Thank you. >> It's a big It's a big deal. 112 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,519 » Big. >> No. No. I mean, we might as well. No, 113 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:08,720 I'm not. So, I'm not saying anything bad, but you know, 114 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,800 » if I catch if I catch a grammar error, >> we're going to cheer you. You get a gold 115 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,160 star. >> It's very rare. 116 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,200 » I hate gold stars. >> Not my forte. 117 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:23,839 » Yeah. Should we have gold stars? Bring the gold stars back. 118 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:25,839 » Let's get the dogs. >> Well, we're going to need a whole voting 119 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,399 system for >> Oh, who gets to wear it too? 120 00:09:27,839 --> 00:09:35,040 » Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. >> Oh, yeah. That was edited. Okay, that's 121 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:39,120 a good edit. Um, that was really it for the edit. 122 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:44,880 » Um, all right. Next item on the agenda is uh 123 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:51,120 setting of the sewer user fee uh pursuant to public hearing number one. 124 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:59,040 Um I think uh we've all made our uh opinions uh clear on this um at the last 125 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:06,800 meeting. Uh, you know, I'll just say, uh, I think, uh, uh, Ed is doing a great 126 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:14,079 job with this department, uh, being a steward of not only our physical 127 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:22,800 infrastructure, but our, uh, our sewer user fee dollars uh, um, have been uh, 128 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:28,720 used um, thoughtfully uh, and well, um, and we are making 129 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:34,959 necessary investments uh in our sewer system 130 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:40,640 um to uh recover, maintain, improve its health 131 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:48,480 and function uh in the long term. Um so uh I like 132 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:53,760 where the numbers are headed. I like that uh we're projecting a slight well 133 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:58,959 not a little more than a slight um surplus this coming year but we have a 134 00:10:56,560 --> 00:11:05,680 long list of things that uh uh we need to do uh to the system um 135 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:12,399 and are looking forward to investing that money which hopefully is going to 136 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:18,880 uh produce a return on investment um over time which is is what we're 137 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:22,000 seeing in the numbers Um, anyone want to make a motion as to what we do with the 138 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,279 sewer user fee for the coming fiscal year? 139 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:33,040 » I'll make a motion that we keep the sewer user fee at $7.50 140 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:37,839 per CCF, which is a 0% increase. >> And same motion for the minimum service 141 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,040 charge. >> Yes. 142 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,000 » No change. >> The the no change in the minimum service 143 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,959 charge. >> Great. 144 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:49,519 » I'll second that. or the well rate or the well rate. 145 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:53,760 » All right, Bob first re second. Uh we have a motion on the table. Any further 146 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:58,000 discussion on the motion? All those in favor of the motion. All 147 00:11:55,839 --> 00:12:01,279 right, motion passes. The rates will be unchanged in the next fiscal year. 148 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Hopefully, this is number two in a row. 149 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,600 » Isn't it three? >> I I thought we had increase. Is it 150 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,079 three? >> Just if I could just one small point. 151 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,959 » Yeah. The well rate's actually going to be determined by the average of the 152 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,279 usage from the year before >> in accordance with the regulations. 153 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:23,680 » Yes. >> So it does not need to be revised. The 154 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,720 the the method by which it is calculated does not need to be revised. 155 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:29,120 » But the number will change. It may go up or down. That's all I'm saying. 156 00:12:28,079 --> 00:12:30,480 » Oh, a little bit. >> All right. 157 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:33,040 » So, >> um but we're not 158 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:34,959 » but the minimum won't. You're not changing the rate. 159 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:36,160 » We're not changing that. >> Got it. 160 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,440 » Okay. >> That's public water, private septic. 161 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Could be a well septic. >> Yes. 162 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:47,200 » Or well Could be a whole bunch of things. 163 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:51,120 » Yes, you're right. >> Private water. 164 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,000 » Private water. Public sewer. >> Private water. Public sewer. 165 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,600 » Yeah, you could have that. >> Because if it's septic, they're not 166 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,760 paying us, >> right? 167 00:12:56,560 --> 00:13:01,279 » Um >> we hope 168 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,639 we find we find ones every once in a while. All right, that's it for that 169 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:10,000 one. Item number four, uh, sanitary sewer regulations, proposed amendments 170 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:15,399 to Darian code of ordinance, public hearing number two. 171 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:15,399 Um, 172 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:22,760 and that is some more coming in the back here. 173 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:31,200 Here we go. I think Greg, before you jump off, there were a few things I did 174 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:34,399 add under that. >> Yeah. Yeah, let's take a look. I don't 175 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,600 know if you want to discuss that or do the other piece. It's up to you. I 176 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,279 didn't want you to skip over and that's all. 177 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:44,000 » Yeah, go ahead. Uh under the item we're talking about now 178 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:47,120 » or do you want to go over some of the numbers from our prior 179 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:51,120 » a handout? >> Um no, the handout was to just 180 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:55,279 supplement one page to update it. And I threw that graph in there so you could 181 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:59,680 see the the uptick in not only the the revenue but our reserve 182 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:01,680 » reserve balance. So now they coincide. >> Yeah. 183 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,760 » I wanted you to see that. Yeah. >> Um, now the other piece was the graphs 184 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,680 that you had put together at one time. You updated them. I put them in the 185 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,160 packet. Yes. >> Didn't know if you wanted to talk about 186 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:13,440 that now while you were on that topic. >> Yeah, I was. Yeah, that's fine. I was 187 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,160 going to go superintendent report, but that's cool. You've got it under item 3. 188 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:26,800 Uh, so we've seen these five graphs before. Uh, and I just put in data for 189 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:34,240 uh the last 12 months up to June 30th. Uh, so item three, page 40 of 8. Uh you 190 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:39,360 can see that the last 2 years the amount of water we've been sending to Stanford 191 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:43,839 has been going down and these are the collection of meters on the discharges 192 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:49,360 that end up going across ultimately the Nuroten River. Um 193 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:57,480 uh into Stamford. Um so we're down the last two years. Um 194 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,480 then 195 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:09,680 page five of 8 uh is the data we get from Aquarian on how much water use 196 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:15,600 there is in town. Now this is this is going to be I think we're seeing that 197 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:20,240 little down tick between the with the month change right between 2025 and 2026 198 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:24,240 » methodology measuring >> right so I think the method that 199 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:27,680 methodology changed between 2025 and 2026 200 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,720 » but it we most likely would have been more more level and flat. 201 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:33,440 » Yeah. Yeah. But we're still trying to get irrigation water out of there. So 202 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,800 that you know there may be a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison here 203 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,560 because the methodology changed a bit from five months down to four or a 204 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,800 different five months. I forget what we did. Okay. 205 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:49,920 » Different five months. >> Different five months. Um 206 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:56,320 chart three which is on page seven of eight is 207 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:02,240 Darien's uh INI portion of flow to Stanford. So this is basically what are 208 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:08,079 we sending to Stanford minus how much uh aquarium 209 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:11,040 water use we have. Um this relates heavily to actually chart number five. 210 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:18,639 I'll go back to chart number four in a second. Chart number five is on page 88 211 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:25,120 which is um comparing the INI flow or estimated INI flow to rainfall. Rainfall 212 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:29,839 is the red line going up and down as rainfall goes up and uh up and down each 213 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:35,040 year. Did I get that right? No, I'm sorry. Wait, no. Wait. Yes. Rainfall 214 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:38,880 rainfall is the red line. Rainfall red line. Yes. Rainfall is the red line. 215 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:42,480 Thank you. I got to I keep trying to label those series and I have trouble. 216 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:47,759 » They kind of correlate, don't they? >> Um you think they kind of correlate. 217 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,480 » Except >> so we had another dry year. funny guy. 218 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:57,360 » Uh we had another relatively dry year and therefore we had another relatively 219 00:16:54,720 --> 00:17:00,160 low year for I ini still high but relatively low. 220 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,279 » Um >> but if it's a percentage of water use 221 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:08,240 and you have a dry year and people over irrigate the irrigation system the 222 00:17:05,919 --> 00:17:10,319 measuring of natural sewage flow is inaccurate. 223 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:13,360 » Well except >> best we can do 224 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:16,559 » well I think we're doing >> I think we're doing it a lot better now 225 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,919 than we were with the shift in the five months. 226 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:21,760 » Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe it should be. >> Yeah. 227 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,039 » It's more towards fair. >> Yeah. Um and it doesn't pick up 228 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,839 commercial, which is, you know, whatever. Uh which could be irrigating 229 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,280 12 months a year because >> it's true. 230 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:40,000 » Yep. Um we have some submeters on that that we take out. A whole story. Uh so 231 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:45,039 it's good that I think uh you know, INI is going down. I I'm still waiting to 232 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:51,200 see the wet year uh without INI going up as much as it 233 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,919 has in other wet years. So that that really is the proof of 234 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:59,280 » the one that we really >> Yeah. You look at 2019 or 2024 235 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,919 uh you know when you get 60 inches of rain, you get a whole ton of eye and so 236 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:07,840 that'll be my >> less water use in rainy years 237 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,400 » aggregate because there's less irrigation. Uh, 238 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:15,760 » could you put that chart in there, too? >> Probably not because people have 239 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:19,600 irrigated systems that run when it's >> But they have the new systems are 240 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:23,840 supposed to have rain sensors. So, maybe as time goes by, that's as time goes by 241 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:27,360 skew the graphs even more. >> But this is okay. So, here's the rain 242 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,080 going up and down. >> Yeah. 243 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,919 » Here's our water use. So we're doing a pretty good what what 244 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:37,600 that tells me is we're doing a pretty good job of getting irrigation out of 245 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:40,799 dry years for example because we're only using you know whatever November March 246 00:18:39,679 --> 00:18:43,360 or December >> the last year there's two years there's 247 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,000 a bit of a spike. >> Yes. There was well we had 248 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:53,520 » November it was it was it was the decision we made because the November 249 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:57,919 water bill captures October water use >> and they were late dry seasons 250 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,480 » and so people were still irrigating in October which caused that little bump. 251 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,360 Yep. >> That's that's that's really what led us 252 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,520 to change our >> Yeah. 253 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,160 » uh system. >> Yep. 254 00:19:05,919 --> 00:19:10,240 » Yeah. >> But it didn't happen in 2019. 255 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:13,919 » Um but it didn't happen in 2019. Well, that was wet year. Um so it was less 256 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,280 irrigation. Um you would have to pick out a dry like this 2023. 257 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:21,840 » This wet year didn't see any decrease. >> So if you if it was a dry year, you 258 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:24,400 would expect a pop in irrigation. It didn't really happen. So but again, 259 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:27,280 we're we were we're still using the winter months primarily, right? So we're 260 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,400 still doing a good job of keeping irrigation out. Maybe we're doing a 261 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,320 little bit better job at >> that's the whole 262 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:35,120 » Yeah. >> Um 263 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:40,400 » and I guess the only one I didn't talk about is chart four which is just 264 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:45,120 looking is just Stanford and and how much if you take Darian's flow out what 265 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,039 is their trend line look like? And their trend line actually is going down 266 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:52,960 slightly. Now last two years have been dry years. So if they have INI that's 267 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:57,679 why their last two years are down too because it's been dry. So their INI is 268 00:19:54,880 --> 00:20:02,480 lower. Um, so again, you kind of got to wait for the response in a wet year to 269 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:07,120 really see what's going on. >> What neighborhoods in Stanford are still 270 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,960 older, less developed, prone to some pumps? 271 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:14,960 » And how's the development creeping towards that? Because it does seem like 272 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:18,480 the new buildings, even though they have more density, don't have the problems 273 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:20,880 with some pumps and >> yeah, 274 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:24,799 » issues that we've seen in the legacy houses here in the lowlying areas. Just 275 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:29,840 on a per capita basis, it's a much tighter system. You know, much less 276 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:34,559 mileage underground per capita. >> Yeah. And most of it's new. 277 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:39,840 » Most of it's new. >> But they're all old areas. But it really 278 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:42,159 has nothing to do with us unless >> the denominator. 279 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:46,159 » What are they doing about INI? What are we? Because we're in a competitive race 280 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,919 with them to get ours lower. >> Yeah, they faster. 281 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,960 » They also have an INI abatement program. >> How are they working that? How are they 282 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,960 doing it? No idea. >> No idea. 283 00:20:54,559 --> 00:21:00,960 » Well, it's very it's in my opinion looking at the numbers, it's very small 284 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:06,400 in comparison to what we're doing. >> But they may have done a lot before Yes. 285 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:09,440 » I got here or while I had just started. >> The big numbers we're looking at is when 286 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,720 they're done finished building all those buildings, we should see their flow go 287 00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:14,640 up. >> Well, they 288 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:20,559 » if all stays the same, >> a lot of those buildings are finished, 289 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:25,360 right? like you know like you add another five to the 500 that are 290 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,600 there you're only adding 1% right >> there's west broad broad street summer I 291 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,120 mean just finished one on summer but two on broad the old Burlington 292 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,559 » property the one by the Bell Street garage or not Bell Street garage 293 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,760 downtown garage >> they're all just during construction 294 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:41,679 right now but there are quite a few units going down 295 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,559 » Clint I think >> it's it's not just units it's population 296 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,440 and when you're building one and two-bedroom units you're not necessarily 297 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:52,559 building to the same population, the single family homes. 298 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:56,960 » Um, so, you know, we've they've done plenty of building over the last 20 299 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,480 years and that graph hasn't really all changed that much. 300 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,400 » Yeah. >> Um, so I don't 301 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:07,679 » That's interesting. >> I mean, it can not at some level add to 302 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:12,960 the denominator, but I I I'm not waiting for that. You know, I think it's easy to 303 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:16,640 see the development, but I think you when you put it in context for like how 304 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:22,559 many housing units are being added to the total, you know, it's like one or 305 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:26,320 two%. You know, it's not a big deal. >> Um, 306 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:29,679 if they're going up and we're going down, it's that percentage every year 307 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:32,240 that I'm >> Yeah, 308 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,080 » I'm shooting to see. >> That's the number I'm looking at. 309 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:39,200 » We're doing pretty good. We got What do we got? 12 and a half this year. 310 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:46,000 1316. >> 1316. 1316. Okay, 311 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:50,000 » let's just keep pushing. >> I'm going to get it to 12. 312 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:58,360 » I mean, look, even even if all we did was get from 15 to 12, we saved a ton of 313 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,360 money, you know, like that's huge. 314 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:05,280 » Uh, okay. So item number four is this um 315 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:10,600 regulation uh edit 316 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,600 um 317 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:27,200 oh there we go C there they are sewer user fee appeal 318 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:33,640 uh no sewer user shall be allowed to appeal three if town's not received 319 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,640 Okay. Or 320 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:41,919 uh Okay. Any comments on the edit to the regulations? 321 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:44,159 » No, I think the impact is clear. >> Shall we have a motion? 322 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:46,080 » I'll make a motion. >> I'll second it. 323 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,200 » What is your motion? >> Yeah, we accept the new language from 324 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:54,559 the old language. Better. >> Okay. All right. We have a first and a 325 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:59,840 second. Uh uh motion on the table to adopt the amendment to the regulations. 326 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:06,400 Um, do we have any further discussion on the motion? All those in favor? Okay, 327 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:10,360 motion passes. Amendments are updated. Regulations are amended. 328 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,559 Um, 329 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:24,400 and my paperwork is all out of order now, but I'll get it back in a second. 330 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:30,159 » Well, I was okay till we got to those graphs and then threw everything. 331 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:33,200 Oh yeah, sorry. I even gave you time to read that ahead 332 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,440 of time, Bob. >> All would have broke loose otherwise. 333 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:41,320 » That's right. I didn't have a choice. Wasn't like I was being nice. 334 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:47,039 » Here we go. >> I mean, let's just hope 335 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:53,200 » section snarky. >> It keeps trending in the same direction. 336 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,880 » Trend is your friend. >> I lost my agenda. Do you have the 337 00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:58,000 agenda? >> Yeah, I hear you. 338 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,000 » Yeah. Uh, now we're up to number five. Table, 339 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,760 » right? >> We're up to this. 340 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:06,000 » Here we go. This is what I needed. >> We're up to this. 341 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,240 » Um, sanitary, uh, table of appeals. Oh, yeah. We're going to look at the table 342 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,919 of appeals. Thank you. >> Oh, yeah. 343 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:12,919 » Um, 344 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:19,120 so >> I think leaks overtook irrigation this 345 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,559 year. >> I have to agree with you. 346 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:26,400 » Ed, just as a snapshot, what's your reaction? Are we being too lenient, not 347 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,520 leaning enough? Just right? I mean, Goldilocks here. Where are we in terms 348 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,080 of >> should we be a little tougher? 349 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,440 » Um, >> three months. 350 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:37,360 » I know. >> Yeah. What? 351 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,480 » I'm pretty tough. So, that's probably not a question for me. 352 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:44,320 » No, it is. Well, you just answered the question, didn't you? 353 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:48,559 » But I uh you you folks have always been fair. Anyone asks me about an appeal, I 354 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,000 said, "They are fair. Come and present your case." 355 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:54,400 » Then he looks at me. >> Um, and there's there's five of you. If 356 00:25:51,840 --> 00:26:00,480 if you guys as a group did not agree on something, you will figure it out. Um 357 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:06,640 that number looks big to me, but if you go case by case and the thought process 358 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:11,760 that you used, discussion you had, the lengthy discussion on some of them, um 359 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,840 uh you folks got to where you you felt comfortable. So I I'm comfortable with 360 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:21,039 that. >> Let's hope we have fewer than 14 361 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,880 irrigation appeals next season. That's the goal. 362 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,279 » Yes. >> Get those out of here. 363 00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:28,400 » Well, there won't be any repeat performers, 364 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:38,240 » but I don't think we're going to ever change uh the number of leaks or the 365 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:42,799 number of uh other issues, right? So, getting to 30 appeals would be a would 366 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:48,799 be a win. >> I mean, I I think our goal of being fair 367 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:53,840 and equitable with the leaks, we are reasonably close. I don't think you can 368 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:57,279 ever be perfect, but I think I think we're pretty good, if not better than 369 00:26:56,159 --> 00:27:03,279 that. >> And I also believe we put in the effort 370 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:09,520 to do that. I think we have a good standard. I think the needle, and this 371 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:17,520 is going to be me saying it, the needle is probably on the side of of of uh 372 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:22,240 accommodating versus uh uh uh heavy-handed. And I think that's a fine 373 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:26,960 place for the needle to be. >> That's fair. 374 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,760 » Yeah. It's a nice time to be able to see all this and just step back and say, 375 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,720 "All right, we did this all year." Yeah. What's the 376 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,559 » We had a whole lot of people come in. >> Sort of a game recap. 377 00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:38,400 » Mhm. >> And there's 18 leaks. That's one and a 378 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:41,279 half every month. >> Yeah. And we're and we're, you know, 379 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,039 we're splitting the difference on the period of time. So, it's not a full 380 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:50,240 » forgiveness in many situations. And and despite 381 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:54,399 that, those two on the graph are going the 382 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,200 right way. >> Yeah. 383 00:27:55,360 --> 00:28:00,080 » How are we year-over-year? We went back all the years. Are we about this number 384 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:03,279 every year? >> Well, 385 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,159 » this one jumped up. That's kind of why we did I think this is the second one I 386 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:10,240 gave you. This had everything for the fiscal year so you could see it. 387 00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:12,880 » I think last year it was 45. >> Okay. 388 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:17,360 » Or 40ish. And the year before that was 3132. 389 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:21,200 » Yep. We had one here of 6,500 bucks. >> Yeah. Well, you get you get a leaking 390 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:25,600 pipe that's, you know, in February and cranks for two weeks. It can it can pump 391 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,880 out a lot of water >> and and skew the uh the overall build 392 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,840 quite precipitously. >> Thank you so much to Joanne for keeping 393 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,440 this. This is great. >> Helpful data. 394 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,559 » Sure. >> Uh scorecard. 395 00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:43,279 » We good with uh item number five? We move item six. 396 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,919 » Uh okay. Turns out >> item six on the agenda which is a phase 397 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,559 2 engineering presentation by Arcadus is going to be 398 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,399 » tabled. >> Um and the question is do you guys want 399 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,279 to hear this presentation at our meeting in October or do you want to set a 400 00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:01,200 special meeting to hear this presentation? 401 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:04,399 » Um any idea how long it's going to be? I know in October we have appeals. So 402 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,360 that's why >> uh we probably won't get any appeals. 403 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:13,679 Oh, we don't. Yeah, that first bills go out for October 1st. 404 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,840 » We don't have time to put together the information. We don't usually take 405 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,559 appeals in October. >> All right. 406 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,840 » We've asked her to keep it to 15 20 minutes, just enough to give you a 407 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,559 flavor of what we're doing. Have an opportunity to ask questions if you 408 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:30,640 like. So, October is a good month to get >> um if you feel the need to get the 409 00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:35,840 information sooner and have another meeting. Uh as long as the consensus is 410 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:40,240 that we can wait till October. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good. 411 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:47,520 » All right. Take until October. Thank you. Uh and uh you're going to tell us 412 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:52,720 about the billing for 88 Parry Point Road. 413 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:56,559 » Yes, I am. Um they subdivided that property. It used to be a school. 414 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,480 » Yeah, that one went into a four lot subdivision. 415 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:02,720 » Yep. >> At which time they issued partial 416 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:07,039 number, lot numbers, whatever you'd like to call list numbers, if you will. Um 417 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:12,000 they mistakenly give this gave this piece of property the wrong list number. 418 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,480 » So there was water usage tied to it >> as you see in the graph. 419 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:21,360 » Yeah. >> Um but there is a 420 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:24,640 sewer lateral connection to our low pressure force main in front of the 421 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:29,600 property which gives it a little which is why I'm 422 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:34,240 here basically because I don't know the feeling about that piece of it. But 423 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:38,720 other the other part of it is I don't give money back unless you folks tell me 424 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,960 it's okay. >> So those are the two pieces I have right 425 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,520 now. >> Using water and not discharging to the 426 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,679 sewer. >> There's no use of water on this 427 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,880 property. >> Oh, 428 00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:52,720 » that use was another puzzle in another part of town that had no business being 429 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,840 on this list number. So it was a mistake. 430 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,720 » But it just started and and then these bills have been paid. 431 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:03,120 » So we sent out bills. The bills were paid but there was no water use. It was 432 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,919 an error on our end for sending out the >> And we only go back three years. 433 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640 » Yeah. >> This we're only allowed We're only 434 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,240 allowed to collect three years. We only go back three years. 435 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840 » Yeah. >> But 436 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:17,760 » but it brought to our attention when they were selling the property. 437 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:21,600 » Okay. Is the other is the the other property on the other side of the town 438 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,600 up and correct? >> It's not even tied to the sewer from 439 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,679 what I can find. We're we're looking into that right now to make sure. But as 440 00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:33,360 of right now, this is this is the one I have to clear up and then I have to go 441 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:38,080 ahead and check that. Uh >> but from what I can find the location of 442 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:41,600 the house and property, there's no sewer in the street. So it'd be difficult. 443 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,840 » And I would make a motion whatever the last three years. 444 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:49,279 » So just before we go there, so this property has been disconnected from the 445 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,000 sewer >> or never was connected. When they put 446 00:31:51,200 --> 00:32:01,279 the low pressure force man in, they put a valve box or three of them valve boxes 447 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:05,919 in front of the parcels that had the school had one big parcel. There was 448 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,840 somebody that knew what they were doing. >> Darren does that all the time. 449 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:12,480 » Put a couple connections out in front for them to use, 450 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:14,480 » but >> okay. 451 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,799 » Never been used. There's no water going to them. 452 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,159 » So there's no need for a dis. There's a house in one of those lots now. 453 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,880 » Well, yeah. They we we tied that one's being built. 454 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,720 » We tied it into We tied it in with a uh a wet tap. 455 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,880 » Yes. >> Two years ago. 456 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,600 » Okay. So, this is for one of the vacant properties. Got it. Got it. Got it. 457 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,679 » Okay. Just making sure there was no need for a disconnect permit, but there is 458 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,360 not. >> There is not. 459 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,720 » Okay. >> I'll make a motion whenever the last 460 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,880 three years that you can possibly refund them. Go ahead. 461 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,240 » It's right here. >> That's that graph that's in front of me. 462 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,240 » $1,12462. 463 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:53,600 Okay. You want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion that we refund them 464 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,519 for those three years um in the amount of $11,12462. 465 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,760 » I'll second that. >> Who Who are we refunding? 466 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,240 » Whoever that paid it, the owner selling it. 467 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:07,120 » It be the what? Previous owner. >> Oh, right. 468 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:09,200 » They just sold it. They just closed on it. 469 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360 » Oh, they closed it already. >> I would go with the previous owner. 470 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,279 » So, >> we'll get the money in the right hand of 471 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:17,919 the right people. I can tell you that. >> Uh we have a first and a second. We have 472 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,159 a motion on the table. I have a question. 473 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:26,880 » Uh, should they be at least charged the minimum charge because they have the 474 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:30,159 ability to hook up to the sewer? >> That's up for you folks. That's why I 475 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:32,399 asked. >> No. 476 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,039 » No. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought people that had a sewer connection out in front of 477 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,240 their house, but they don't even absolutely don't. 478 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,919 » Oh, they don't. >> Just pay the assessment 479 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,960 » because they're disconnected. >> They're not hooked up yet. 480 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:44,880 » Yeah. That would be like you filed a in my opinion, it'd be like you filed a 481 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:50,000 disconnect permit. So, it wouldn't it's not like The house is vacant. The lot is 482 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:54,159 vacant. To me, it's a little different, but I think it's almost semantics. 483 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,960 » Okay. Um, >> there's a really good qu. It made me 484 00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:01,679 think for a minute. >> All those all those in favor of Reese's 485 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,279 motion. Susan's motion. >> All right. 486 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,919 » I get excited. >> Bob, I 487 00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:08,000 » Yes, I'm sorry. >> Sorry. 488 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,480 » Just want to make sure to make sure got you in the tent there. 489 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:16,960 » Got I was trying to shove him out the door. 490 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:22,480 Um, all right. Item number eight, sump pump 491 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:25,520 removal policy. Uh, we have an update or we don't have an update. 492 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,119 » Uh, we have an update. >> Quick update for you. 493 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:33,919 » Okay. >> Um, as of right now, we have, uh, 3,450 494 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,320 um, responses. >> Okay. 495 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:43,919 Of the 5,432, it's about 64%. Okay. 496 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:48,240 um 150 additional since the last meeting a month ago. 497 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:52,679 » Okay. Um no some no sump some pumps are about 1,800 of those responding. 498 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:57,960 » Mhm. >> Uh yes to sump pumps are 1645. 499 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:08,240 Okay. Of the sump pump ones 112 have sanitary sewer connections. 500 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,000 Okay. >> So we have 13 501 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,119 Last month we went up 13. >> A lot of people were correcting it 502 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,359 before they sent the thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 503 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,400 » Really good. >> Stealing my thunder here. 504 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,000 » We will never know how many got removed because of this action. 505 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:31,599 » Yes. >> Uh but that's okay. 506 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:35,760 » Um but and those are that's the all the good news now. And this isn't bad news. 507 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,440 This just means followup for us. >> Um there some of them that require 508 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,560 photos. There's over a thousand that we didn't get any. 509 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,480 » Okay. >> So, we're going to have to follow up 510 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:49,359 with them. Um, and ones with no signatures, there's about 150ish. 511 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,640 So, we can send them out. We're trying to figure out a way to do it where we 512 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,599 send it to you, you sign it, and you just send it, you email it back to us 513 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:59,119 where it's simple. We put it with your file and it's put away. Um, we're 514 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,599 working on that. >> So, the last piece to reach 515 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,960 » out, that's going to be the longtail followup is getting all these folks. 516 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,040 » It is. It is. I think the other 2,000 might be a problem, too. 517 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,839 » Well, yeah, >> just a bit. 518 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:15,839 » So, so far we have almost 10 people that disconnected and were and told us they 519 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:19,760 did before they sent in the form or who were about to or just I just got one 520 00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:22,640 today in the as an email and a picture and the sump pump with the water running 521 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,920 outside onto the ground. >> Great. 522 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,520 » So, this is and when I say running, it was like they turned a 2-in faucet on. 523 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,560 It was coming out of that pipe. >> So, that's exciting. 524 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560 » This is There's some good stuff coming out of the 525 00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:35,920 » And it's just going right into the lawn now. Yeah, there. 526 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,200 » What's that? >> It's just going straight out 527 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,680 » onto the onto the pavement onto the lawn. 528 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,160 » Wow. >> Keep your 529 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,119 » weapon. >> Now, he may have filled it. He may have 530 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,320 filled it up with water just to show me it was running. 531 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,920 » I I doubt it. >> Okay, that's the update. 532 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,800 » Are the ones that are connected coming from the same part of town? 533 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:06,079 » Haven't identified that yet. >> Near a stream or river? But I can tell 534 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:10,400 you there the ones where I expected um we did get uh a neighborhood let's say 535 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,640 that I was and I won't talk about it right now because I need to look at a 536 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,320 little bit better. >> Um the answers that I expected are the 537 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480 ones I'm getting. >> Okay. 538 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,760 » So, >> and have any of them felt that they 539 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,800 needed um help with in a new pipe in the street or something like that? 540 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:30,400 » One of them did. Uh, one of the very first gentlemen that I met with before 541 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,680 we even got it approved through the RTM came to me and we talked about I met him 542 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:39,440 out on his on his property on the roadway. Um, and that's the one I looked 543 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:42,320 at that has quite a few um, sump pumps. >> Can you share what street that is? 544 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:45,839 » Uh, Pleasant Street. >> Pleasant Street. Okay. 545 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:50,560 » I've heard of that. >> But I'd say a lot of them are already 546 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:54,640 discharging to the the either the ground right behind the catch basin or, you 547 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:58,079 know, it's making its way out. But there are a couple that okay 548 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,800 » that were connected. >> Okay. 549 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:06,079 » We want to help if we can. >> Yeah. 550 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:12,560 » Uh all right. So now we have time on 8B to discuss revisions to the compliance 551 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:18,640 statement. Uh which the compliance statement is 552 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:25,440 this one. Got back down to a one page or we got down to one page. 553 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:29,520 Um I thought uh after monitoring the discussion from the last meeting most of 554 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,599 the changes to this were reasonably wellreceived. 555 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960 » Huh? >> No. 556 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,880 » Huh? >> Okay. 557 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640 » To the affidavit to the statement itself. 558 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,359 » Didn't you watch the meeting? >> I did. I thought the compliance 559 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,119 statement was like, "Oh, yeah. It makes sense to have a date. Oh, it makes sense 560 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,640 to tell people where the list number can be found by the list." 561 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,400 » Oh, those kind of changed. Yeah, but I I just like the font and making it in one 562 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,680 page and that >> and changing. 563 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:59,200 » Let's put it this way. I will do this in a quick 564 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:03,599 » one one sentence thing. Perfection is the enemy of progress. 565 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:08,880 » Okay. that statement. 566 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:16,240 » I am uh look I read documents all day long uh and they are constantly edited 567 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:21,280 uh as an I have a contract document that we put on every proposal every year and 568 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:25,359 once a year I read through that again and even though it's me reading it year 569 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:30,640 after year I end up making changes to it. So, I I don't have any issue with 570 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:34,160 anybody else saying, "Hey, what about this? What if you did that? Would it 571 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:39,440 look better like this?" I receive all of those comments uh with an open mind. Uh 572 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:44,960 and we can decide to accept them or not. So, that's my standpoint. Um and we're 573 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:50,400 we're we're currently with our first draft. We're at a D, 574 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,839 which is what 64% is. Um >> that No, no, no. That's 575 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,280 » You think it's because of the documents that we've sent out? Correct. way would 576 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,440 be reflected. Wait a minute. 577 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,320 » They were talking about grades last time like oh we got a good 578 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,119 » Are you relating that the forms to how many people 579 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,480 » forms to how many people I was making >> data is good but when 580 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:12,000 » that relation if you look at the video that relation was made last time and I 581 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,599 was making a joke about it. >> Are you kidding me? 582 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,119 » Well, >> okay. 583 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,680 » You're too funny. >> Missed that one. I like the improvements 584 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,200 to the to the SPOM compliance statement, especially if they help the people 585 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,480 tracking the data. >> As far as the letter is concerned, 586 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,119 » let's deal with this first. Deal. >> We'll do one thing at a time. Okay. 587 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,960 » You like the statement? I don't really care either way. Somebody wants to knit 588 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,359 or nat it. It's not a big deal to me. >> And and 589 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:43,119 » I just think you need to get through the first, you know, out and in before you 590 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:48,480 start changing it. You cannot mid. This is too much midstream and it's too much 591 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:51,680 just trying to reinvent and perfect the wheel. 592 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:56,079 » Does it mess you up at all? >> Uh I'm going to try to make some uh 593 00:40:53,760 --> 00:41:00,800 organization out of this so we can move forward, not just talk back and forth. 594 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:05,040 Um of the commissioners here today and I'm talking just about the sump pump 595 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:10,319 compliance statement. Raise your hand if you are willing to consider edits to the 596 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,560 sump pump compliance statement. >> Yes. 597 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:19,520 » Okay. So, four of us are willing to do so. Uh, okay. So, now let's consider the 598 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:25,319 edits, each one, to the sun comp. >> First want to ask Ed, does it mess you 599 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,319 up by changing the form? 600 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:31,599 » I'm going to say it doesn't. >> Okay. Um, it would be easier to look at 601 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,119 everything on the front page of, >> okay, 602 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:39,839 » in one page for you, but I I know the numerous numerous iterations that we 603 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,040 went through and Susan's help to to kind of reorganize it and add more pumps 604 00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:48,640 because we're finding out people had five. Um, that whole thing brought us to 605 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:51,280 where we were. Um, getting it >> to fit on one page I thought was a 606 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,599 » good >> herculean effort and it was done. Um 607 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,640 that would I think it would make it easier for our folks just to have that 608 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:01,520 one sheet in front of us. >> That's my first type of 609 00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:06,720 » and maybe you'll get more signatures that way too. 610 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:10,240 » Uh who is uh thinks it's a good idea to put the date on the compliance 611 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,440 statement. >> Wasn't it always on the compliance? 612 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:17,520 » I don't know. It's highlighted. So that's why I'm asking that question 613 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:22,880 » just just for me to I add I added it to it because it wasn't there. This is a 614 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:26,160 version that I doctorred so that it met what we had previously got statement. 615 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,079 » Okay. >> So it always had a date. I put the date 616 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:32,160 on and highlighted it. That's my edit >> just to not lose it. 617 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,520 » So are these yellow highlights your edits? 618 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,400 » Yes. >> Oh, okay. 619 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,160 » Yep. Or if I couldn't move it, I say move up to list number because I 620 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:48,400 couldn't manipulate the document and I tried. But other than that, the the text 621 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:53,440 in here is consistent with the text in the initial version. 622 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:56,640 » The data that's asking for is consistent with the data that was asked for on the 623 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:00,560 original statement. So, it's all there now. And the and the text is all there. 624 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:06,920 Yes. >> Just not twice. Let's say there's a 625 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:06,920 couple things that were repeated. Um, 626 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:23,680 do folks have an opinion as to this being on one page or two? 627 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,800 » All right. So, people got the one in May. 628 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,359 » Yes. >> So, now you're going to be sending the 629 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,640 people who haven't filled it out >> this one, 630 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:38,240 » whatever version we decide to go with. >> Okay. I'm just the uh just speaking 631 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,280 theoretically. So now you're going to send them this one. 632 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:44,319 » Maybe they're not maybe >> they're not going to remember that. 633 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,760 » Exactly. >> They're not going to remember the old 634 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,119 one. >> No, cuz they didn't give a crap. 635 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,560 » Yeah. I think I think the more jury those probably just got thrown out. 636 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:53,599 Yeah. >> And the fact that we've improved it and 637 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,240 made it one page >> should be commended. 638 00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,720 » Well, anyway, so I'm just saying like do we like one page or not? Because one 639 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:07,359 page is a smaller font. One page is is is very tiny margins. Uh do we like one 640 00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,400 page or did we like two pages? Just >> didn't we already vote on that? 641 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:16,160 » What did we just >> We sort of discuss 642 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,400 » the the the straw poll that I the straw poll that I 643 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:21,760 » Shall we talk about it? >> Oh my god. Okay. What are we going to 644 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,359 talk about? >> I'm sorry. You want to do this 645 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,280 differently? >> No. No. I'm just I'm confused. Okay. 646 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:29,440 » I thought I thought we had voted that four of us thought that this one page 647 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,599 was good. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I 648 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,359 misunderstood your vote. >> My question was who is willing to 649 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,000 consider >> Oh, 650 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:41,520 » changes to >> because I was trying to decide if we had 651 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,200 enough of a vote of people that were even willing to change it. 652 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,640 » Okay. >> Um so that we could then discuss if 653 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,560 there were any nits or nats or revisions or changes and that's what we're 654 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,319 discussing now. >> Okay. 655 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:55,680 » Okay. Uh so do people like the one page versus 656 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,680 the two? Susan, >> I like the one page. 657 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:03,040 » Reese Reese likes the ones page. Peter, >> I'm chief. I like one page. 658 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,839 » I like one page. Okay. >> All right. Ed likes one page. 659 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,680 » It was one page. >> I I assume he's a no matter what we do. 660 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,160 So, >> you wanted one page. 661 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:14,960 » I am against changing it. Yes. >> Plain and simple. 662 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,440 » Yep. Understood. That's why I wanted to make that clear. 663 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:21,359 » Is the enemy of progress >> before we started. Okay. So, then I'll 664 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:26,160 ask a broader question because maybe we're already there. Um, if we're 665 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:33,359 considering the one before us, uh, labeled 8 B plus C, three of three, does 666 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:36,680 anyone have any changes to what's here to make? 667 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:47,200 » How about something where I jump up a blind statement in red? 668 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,920 » Um, I mean, what you know, 669 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,240 » I'm teasing. I don't care. I really don't care. We do already have actions 670 00:45:52,560 --> 00:46:00,240 required on the letter in red. >> There's a lot of ink in doing it in red. 671 00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:03,280 » That is true. Um, >> if this is the way they're going to get 672 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,760 printed, I think this is blurry. 673 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,359 » Yep. >> And it should be more clear. 674 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,400 » Why not flip it? Do the white flask and black white. 675 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:18,560 » Yeah, something like that. Use less ink. Make sure the 676 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:22,480 » the title of the form in the top right uh is bold and clear 677 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,319 » and uh easy to read. >> Yeah. 678 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,280 » I don't think it needs to be filled in. I think we could box it. 679 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:29,119 » Yeah. And just do a bold letter or whatever. 680 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:34,240 » Box it. Flip it. Yeah. >> Okay. 681 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:41,800 » Uh is there anything else on the form that uh people might want to change in 682 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,800 the next draft? 683 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,400 Okay, with that, can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion we accept this form 684 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,400 to send out for the second round. >> Okay, we're going to get such better 685 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:58,560 results. >> Second. 686 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:04,000 » I'll second it. >> Okay. Uh, first and second on the table. 687 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:10,240 Any further discussion on the changes to the form? All those in favor? All right. 688 00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:12,640 You have our authority. We we already know 689 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,359 » all those votes, right? I do have to say that out loud. Thank you. One four to 690 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,359 one. >> You could have stayed. 691 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,800 » Um >> no, I'm gonna be consistent if nothing 692 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,920 else. >> Uh okay. 693 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:33,839 Um then with that, we're going to do the same kind of process with eight uh 8C, 694 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:37,839 the res revised cover letter. first um uh just straw poll 695 00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:43,119 uh commission members that are willing to consider uh changes or edits to the 696 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,720 cover letter. >> Okay. 697 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,440 » I'll consider it. >> You'll consider it. Okay. But you're 698 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:49,839 more a little more skeptical on this one. Um 699 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,920 » you hear what I say. >> Okay. 700 00:47:51,920 --> 00:48:01,599 Uh and again, these we we basically got a 701 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:08,800 cover letter Oh, wait. We got two versions. The uh 702 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:11,440 that was the original that we sent out. >> The fir one of three is the original. 703 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,359 » Yep. >> Okay. 704 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:17,040 » No, one of three is the >> Oh, I'm sorry. 705 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,880 » Second notice. >> Yeah. 706 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:25,200 » Oh, okay. One of three is the proposed version 707 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,760 and two of three was the original. >> Mhm. 708 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:31,839 » Okay. um put on new header. That looks funny. 709 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,160 But uh >> the second one added a sentence you 710 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:38,240 haven't filled in. >> No. And neither of these can be the 711 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:42,000 original. The font on the top is not correct. 712 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,960 » Well, that was one of my my items >> that that just 713 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,000 » Are we now changing our our logo to be an oval? 714 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:53,040 » No. I think there's something wrong with the graphic that they put in this file. 715 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,880 » Some somebody tried to fit it all on one page with it. 716 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,880 » Yeah. um 717 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,200 » and adding all the >> That would have been me. Okay. And I 718 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,240 just squished it up to show you what how much room it was needed and it's showing 719 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,240 it on there. But >> so the first thing we want to say is 720 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:10,079 » I'll have that fixed. >> Let's make sure the header looks the way 721 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:11,280 it's supposed to when it gets printed out. 722 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:18,559 » Okay. >> Okay. Uh fix header. Okay. Uh 723 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,480 » picking up on Bob's comment from the last meeting, I agree that sewer 724 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:31,079 commission is in too small of a font. on the header and I think sewer 725 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,079 commission should be enlarged. 726 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:39,280 » Well, that's the new that's the new even though we're not using it yet on our on 727 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:43,520 these things on our legal notices. Isn't that the new way of of town hall putting 728 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,319 out their >> stationary? 729 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:49,920 » Only if you say this this is your this is your letterhead. 730 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,559 Don't we have to comply with what they're do we doing everything in the 731 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,680 first election's office >> with regard to 732 00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:03,359 » I think everything is a recommendation >> but if we look at the way the some plump 733 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:10,240 some pump compliance statement is if you look at it there it's all the same font 734 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:13,440 top all the same size all the same font >> that's the way it should be this to me 735 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:18,800 looks mishimoiled >> look again I think it's as easy as us 736 00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:21,680 saying we'd like it bigger We don't have to argue about it or 737 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:26,960 question people's motivations and why they did it. If we want it bigger, we 738 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:30,079 can say, "Let's make it bigger." >> Do people like the Do people want sewer 739 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,079 commission bigger? >> Yes. 740 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,079 » The same size as town. >> I wouldn't do that. 741 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,680 » I would at least get it to the end of the T and the N. 742 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,839 » Yeah. >> Uh I think that necessarily just going 743 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:44,160 to stretch it sideways. >> Well, you just keep 744 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:48,160 » No, I wouldn't stretch it sideways. I'd increase the font. I'd increased the 745 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:52,559 font size until it got to the same space between T and N. 746 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,839 » Uh, stretching is what got us into the problem here or with the oval. 747 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:03,359 » Uh, okay. >> Gotta love graphics. 748 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:08,160 » So, with that, uh, the one of the substantive changes is as of the date of 749 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:12,240 this letter, the sewer department has yet to receive a response to the 750 00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:19,440 original request for information dated May 11, 2026. I I thought I heard Peter 751 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:23,680 at the last meeting say uh yet to receive a response from you. 752 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,440 » Yes. >> A little more pointed like please pay 753 00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:29,520 attention if you've read to the second sentence of the first paragraph. That's 754 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,680 not bad. >> That's good. 755 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,680 » Um 756 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:44,720 uh all right. Does anybody else have any edits or other changes to this letter? 757 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,880 our general comments. >> Sure. Yeah. How do you feel about the 758 00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:51,040 letter? >> I don't think it's going to matter 759 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:55,599 » because the people who called the first election's office, which was what 760 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:58,800 prompted this, either don't know how to read, they're idiots. 761 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:02,400 » Wow. That's >> Or I'm sorry, Craig. Go back to any of 762 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,640 the previous letters. Go back to the things we sent for 5 years. Where in 763 00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:10,640 those those documents did it say call the first selectman if you don't 764 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,480 understand this? or else they're people who just want to 765 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,119 complain. So, I don't think it matters what letter you sent. If you add more 766 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:20,160 verbiage, I don't think they're going to read it. 767 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,119 » The same people who didn't didn't read the one we sent and didn't read the one 768 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,160 we sent for 5 years, they're not going to read this one. 769 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,480 » They're smoking pot. Whatever. >> I'm not. 770 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:33,040 » You can pick one of many different reasons as to 771 00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:38,319 » whoever is going to ignore or defer or choose not to respond or be offended by 772 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:43,520 this letter is not going to change. >> Exactly. uh by the edits that we make. 773 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,960 But if there's small things that we can do over time to make this letter that's 774 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:50,160 going to get sent out probably a lot more than twice a little bit better each 775 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:54,160 time, I'm all for it. >> Be more wordy for people who don't read. 776 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:57,280 Okay. >> So, one sentence is more wordy. 777 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:01,280 » Maybe we should make it two pages. Then we can give them two pages not to read. 778 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,400 » One sentence is more wordy. >> No. 779 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,680 » No. >> Oh, okay. 780 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,839 » Who cares? >> Who cares? I think it's 781 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:10,000 » I'm saying who cares. Okay, 782 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:13,839 » who cares what it says? They're not going to read it. The summary compliance 783 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:17,839 statement, which is stuff that they need to fill in, that's more important. The 784 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:21,119 letter, whatever. >> One more time. And perfection is is the 785 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,440 enemy of progress. >> Doesn't matter. Anyway, so so we can 786 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,400 change it, we cannot change it. My feeling is that the people that are 787 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,040 going to call the first selection's office 788 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,160 are not reading it. >> You have no idea how many calls I get 789 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,200 for stuff you wouldn't even believe. Yeah. 790 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:40,079 » Well, you can we can Peter and I can make a list. 791 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:43,280 » I was ask John, "What's your latest call?" It's just someone make you almost 792 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,480 hit the ground. >> I know. 793 00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:48,240 » Amazing. >> So, anyway, that's my comment. Doesn't 794 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,520 matter. >> Uh, okay. Does anybody else have any 795 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,520 other changes that they would like to make to the letter? 796 00:53:53,839 --> 00:54:00,559 » Should we put Ed's cell phone number on it 797 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:06,480 » in case it's a weekend? Somebody's got a concern. 798 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:09,920 Well, you know, it is interesting. Now that I'm looking at this letter, 799 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:14,800 » there's no phone number for >> There's no phone number for the sewer 800 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:18,640 department. All right, that's a good ad. Good catch. 801 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:21,040 » Did it get removed by where it's Oh, no. It's something. All right. 802 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:27,119 » Do you want to put it right under sewer commission? Put the phone number. 803 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:30,880 » Um, that's probably a good spot for it. Uh, top bottom. Yeah. 804 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:35,440 » Oh, they won't read that. for the email that sewer commission email. 805 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,480 » I think we we opted not to put it on I know I know I didn't want it on there. 806 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:41,280 » Well, here's here's >> it's on the compliance statement. 807 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,359 » Here's the email >> at the top. 808 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,119 » It's at the top. >> We didn't put it in the letter. 809 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,720 » Yeah, >> we I would have preferred to get it in 810 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:52,800 writing your emails and your call. >> You like people sending emails because 811 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:55,839 you've got a record of the conversation. >> That's one. Two, it's easier to track. 812 00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,400 It's not overwhelming. >> Yeah. Yeah. 813 00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,800 » Um easier to follow up and follow them through. Mhm. 814 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:02,240 » And we've been storing and saving them too as we go through. 815 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,720 » Okay. >> And if they get a call over there, 816 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,960 they're going to send it over to you, right? 817 00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:12,240 » And they did. They did. It's just some of the comments that were being made um 818 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:16,480 with regards to the letter and the compliance statements, you know, 819 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,920 » seemed more of a misunderstanding on what they were reading or what they were 820 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,920 looking at. 821 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,400 » All right. Any further discussion on the letter? 822 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:30,720 » Okay. Can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion with your amendment. 823 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:33,359 Make sewer commission fit town of Derenne T to N 824 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:37,200 » T to N. >> Um and uh from you 825 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,760 » at Peters from you >> from you 826 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:41,200 » and then make sure the header displays properly. 827 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,680 » Yep. >> This is great. 828 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:45,680 » And telephone. >> We have I think we're going to leave 829 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,240 that out. >> Sounded like we were 830 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:52,160 » there are people who don't have email but they can call the first selection's 831 00:55:50,319 --> 00:55:55,520 office and the first selectman's office because they can apparently find their 832 00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:59,440 phone number whereas they can't find the sewer commission phone number. But, you 833 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,440 know, I think that that in this day and age, there's plenty of ways to get in 834 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:05,520 touch. >> Yes, I do agree with that. 835 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:09,119 » Plenty of ways. >> All right. So, do we have a second on 836 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,200 Reese's motion? >> All right. Mr. Van Winkle makes a 837 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:18,640 second. Any further discussion on the motion? All those in favor? All right. 838 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:22,559 Letter is edited. >> And opposed? 839 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:26,640 » Oh, yeah. All those posted. Sorry. 41. >> It's fair. It's It's a worthy 840 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:34,040 » No, no, no. I I just forget. Uh, so it's all good. Superintendent report. 841 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:34,040 » Superintendent report. Very good. 842 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:43,200 Just a little update on the rehab, phase three rehab. You know, the lining 843 00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:48,400 has been substantially completed. Um, there's one 844 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,559 or two small sections that are left. Uh, service connection grouting has been 845 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:58,240 ongoing. It's about 45% completed this time. They'll be here this week and I 846 00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:04,720 believe into next. Um lateral cleaning and CCTV work uh has three more days 847 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:08,960 remaining on their list. Um some remaining uh lateral lining is to be 848 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:13,680 scheduled. So we have to go back and do a couple um couple more of those. 849 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,760 » So we're done with the pipes. We just have to go back and fix a couple 850 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,640 laterals. >> Yep. And then the manholes making sure 851 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,160 they're any >> Fantastic. But I always feel like the 852 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:24,319 pipes >> epoxy lining 853 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:28,319 » pipes is the big one. are the big ones. >> Um 854 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:34,880 or what we're finding with some of the service laterals is uh 855 00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:41,359 um some pumps were blowing out some of our lateral lining. So we couple backups 856 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,119 that we had to look at. We'll have more information on that at our next meeting 857 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:48,160 with regards to damages, anything like that. 858 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,000 » Oh, so we're trying to do a lateral lining and then there's flow coming in 859 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,680 anyway. >> Yeah. 860 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:57,599 » And people aren't flushing. >> Yeah. One was a um a washing machine 861 00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:02,160 that was after the time that they gave him the window they and the other one 862 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,839 was a sump pump that was >> discharging. 863 00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:07,200 » Yes. >> Yes. And that's another one that we got 864 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,280 disconnected. >> Okay. 865 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:18,559 » All right. So that's uh phase three. phase two engineering 866 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,440 is as you um they're just the reason that she wasn't here that there's some 867 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:27,119 data that they want to go back and refine. It happened to do with the area 868 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:31,520 down in Roen Bay um multiple meters down there. Um they're close together. Well, 869 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:36,400 I think that what they were worried about was the turbulent flow giving them 870 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:39,920 some some readings that that were giving them negative flows when they started 871 00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:42,880 doing the calculations. So, they're going to go back and do a little bit 872 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,400 more research on that before they come to you and present to you. 873 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,200 » Um, not something that occurs all the time, but it's happened before in those 874 00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:54,599 tight smaller areas. >> Save that special meter. Maybe Craig 875 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,599 will need it on one of these jobs. 876 00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:04,160 » Uh, number C, I just wanted to bring you up to speed on 877 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:09,119 um for Seagate Road. As you see, it's noticed it's never been 878 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:14,319 built. Um, don't know why the house has been there for a while, but what I uh I 879 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,119 give you the good news when we give money back. I give you the or the bad 880 00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:20,480 news. I give you the good news when we got collected. So, you know, there they 881 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:24,480 are out there. Every once in a while, we do come across them, especially with 882 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:31,599 house sales. Um, when they do find out that it's still on septic. Um, so we 883 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:34,079 will be billing them that amount. >> Um, 884 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,359 » when was that hooked up? Was that an older home? 885 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:41,359 It's It's the one of the original houses. 886 00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:44,240 » So, it's always been on sewer. >> It's always been on sewer. 887 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,799 » Someone got a deal. >> They did. 888 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:53,040 » How did you discover it sold? >> Uh, a sale on the sale of the house. 889 00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:58,319 » So, we made him camera the line. Uh, developed an asbuilt from it, created a 890 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:04,000 a lateral file and created a bill that goes back three years. 891 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:07,559 » Wow. Did they have a stop? 892 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:16,000 » It's a definite possibility. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a that's a question that 893 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:22,000 we'll we'll find out as we get the reports back. Um, and the last item I 894 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:26,240 just want to mention is that Joanne was provided me the the final numbers on the 895 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:32,880 connection fees. Just so you folks know, it's uh for this past fiscal year um 896 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:38,480 just over $290,000 of connection fees that we got and one one or two one large 897 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:42,960 large development and a couple developments included in there. But uh 898 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,559 just wanted to point that out to you. >> 10 years ago that would have been zero, 899 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:52,240 right? Five years ago whenever >> five years ago we just started 900 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:55,680 connection fees about five years ago. >> Cool. 901 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:58,240 » Thanks. just mention it. That's that's all I have. 902 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,760 » Darren, anything? >> No, sir. 903 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,760 » Any questions for the superintendent? 904 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,640 All right. Any new business? 905 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:18,079 All right, Peter, you're up. >> I make a motion. 906 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,839 » All those in favor? >> Second. 907 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:26,319 » No second. >> I'll second. 908 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,319 » Thank you, channel 79. We're all set.