[0:00] Uh all right, welcome. This is the Town
of Darian Sewer Commission agenda, uh
[0:06] which starts with a public hearing on
today, which is Tuesday, September 8th
[0:12] at 4:30 p.m. And although the agenda
incorrectly notes September 9th, I will
[0:17] point out that the legal notice that was
published and posted in the town clerk's
[0:22] office does in fact say September 8th.
So, I am comfortable looking forward
[0:26] with the public hearing on those terms.
Um, we are in room 206 at town hall
[0:32] calling the meeting to order at 4:30
p.m. And the first item on our agenda is
[0:37] a public hearing to discuss uh setting
our sanitary sewer user fees for the
[0:43] next fiscal year. I will start this by
reading the legal notice which uh notice
[0:49] of public hearing on proposed amendments
to sanitary sewer regulations. Darian
[0:54] Town Hall, room 206, September 8th,
2026. The town of Darianne Sewer
[0:59] Commission will conduct public hearing
at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th,
[1:02] 2026 in room 206 of Darian Town Hall to
Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 6812
[1:07] for the purpose of affording property
owners and residents within the town of
[1:10] Darian. An opportunity to be heard
concerning proposed amendments to the
[1:12] Darian code of ordinance appendix C
administrative regulations. Amend sewer
[1:16] user fees article 11 sanitary sewer
regulations section 1000-6 service
[1:21] charges subsection amendments and
relevant part are proposed up to the
[1:26] following rates um 6-2.1 effective
October 1 2026 the standard charge shall
[1:32] be at a rate between $7.40 40 and $755
per 100 cubic feet of water. And section
[1:41] 6-3.1 effective October 1, 2026, the
minimum service charge shall be $29143
[1:48] perom 0% change. Uh all members of the
public are invited to participate and
[1:53] will be given opportunity to be heard
regarding the proposed changes by order
[1:57] of the Darian Sewer Commission. Greg J.
Clarity, chairman. Uh, with that I will
[2:02] ask if there is any public comment.
[2:08] Do we get anything in by email?
>> Any anecdotal information or
[2:13] conversations?
Okay. Any comment by the commission? If
[2:18] not, I'll ask for a uh well, I guess did
we have a motion to open the hearing?
[2:24] » Make a motion we open the hearing.
>> Second.
[2:27] » All those in favor of opening the
hearing.
[2:29] » Okay. Does anybody want to talk to this
matter? Nobody's in the room. Does
[2:32] anyone want to make a motion to close
the hearing?
[2:35] » Do we have to set the rate?
>> Uh, no. We do that in our regular.
[2:39] » I'll make a motion we close it.
>> I'll second that.
[2:40] » All those in favor? All right. The
public hearing on the sewer user fees
[2:44] has been held. We will decide uh the
matter under our regular meeting agenda
[2:48] later this afternoon. Uh our second
thing on the agenda is um
[2:57] where did I put my agenda? Uh is uh a
public hearing number two
[3:03] uh related to sanitary sewer regulations
and proposed amendments to the code of
[3:08] ordinances. Um I think having to do with
uh making appeals um
[3:16] » 434
>> uh uh uh
[3:20] » conditional
>> conditioned upon of appropriately up to
[3:24] date filled out some pump compliance.
All right,
[3:26] » I'll move we open the public hearing.
>> Okay, there we go.
[3:29] » I'll second.
>> All those in favor of opening the public
[3:31] hearing. All right, the public hearing
on amendments to the sanitary se
[3:34] regulations is open. I will read the
legal notice that was published in the
[3:38] newspaper and posted in the town clerk's
office. Uh town of Darian Sewer
[3:41] Commission will conduct a public hearing
at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th,
[3:45] 2026 in room 206 at Darian Town Hall to
Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 0620
[3:51] for the purpose of affording property
owners and residents within the town of
[3:53] Darian. An opportunity to be heard
concerning proposed amendments to the
[3:56] Darian code of ordinance appendix C
administrative regulations. Amend
[4:00] article 13 some pump removal regulations
concerning the abatement of elicit
[4:04] discharge into public sewers section
1013-9
[4:08] violations and penalties semicolon
enforcement and in that uh uh title uh
[4:17] add subsection C sewer user fee appeal.
No sewer user shall be allowed to appeal
[4:23] their annual sewer user fee if colon one
the town has not received a completed
[4:29] sump pump compliance statement for said
property or two the property some pump
[4:33] discharge is connected to the sanitary
sewer system and no substantial progress
[4:36] has been made to disconnect. All members
of the public are invited to participate
[4:40] and will be given an opportunity to be
heard regarding the proposed changes
[4:45] » by order of the Darian sewer commission
chairman. All right. Uh, I have read the
[4:50] legal notice and now I will ask if there
are any members of the public that would
[4:53] like to comment on this public hearing.
>> Do we get any emails? Oh,
[4:59] » matter of fact.
>> Oh, okay.
[5:02] » I haven't read it.
>> Okay.
[5:04] » The first one or the second one? First.
>> I will let the chairman read it to
[5:08] himself and
>> Okay.
[5:09] » See if it's appropriate.
[5:22] Okay. Um, I think it is a public comment
that is related to uh the public hearing
[5:28] that is currently open. Uh, and it was
received before 400 p.m. today, which is
[5:33] our request. So, I'm going to read it
into the record. Uh the email is from
[5:40] Alexisu uh dated this morning uh
Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 at 9:56
[5:46] a.m. to the Darian Sewer Commission
regarding the sewer fee appeal/pot
[5:51] potential ordinance change. Dear Sewer
Commission, I saw the proposed ordinance
[5:55] change on your agenda for today. I'm
guessing the idea behind linking the
[5:58] right to appeal a sewer user fee to some
pump compliance is to give people an
[6:02] incentive to comply. But I question the
choice of incentive. My understanding is
[6:07] that state law already gives someone who
is agrieved by a sewer charge the right
[6:12] to appeal to superior court. Uh what is
the town accomplishing by taking away
[6:17] the local appeal process other than
potentially forcing a resident to go to
[6:21] court costing both the resident and the
town time and money over something that
[6:25] might otherwise be resolved locally
respectfully? Alexis Sweet uh 20 Beverly
[6:30] Place. Okay. Any other public comment?
That was it. All right. Uh, any comments
[6:37] by the commissioners or else I'll take a
motion to close the hearing.
[6:46] » I'll move we close close the hearing.
>> Okay. Move to close. Second to close.
[6:50] All those in favor of closing.
>> Okay. Public hearing is closed. We will
[6:54] now get on with the business we are
getting on with today.
[6:59] Uh,
okay. Let's start with uh the minutes
[7:04] from the meeting that I did not attend,
but I did watch the videos through
[7:10] of uh Oh, do we have to do
>> August 11th? Okay.
[7:36] Yeah, literally the only thing I saw was
were Susan's letter is written
[7:43] read into the minutes. Uh I have
reviewed and read your I have reviewed
[7:50] your numbers and vote to leave. Not
votes to leave.
[7:56] Got it. Okay. But that's as
>> pretty minor.
[7:59] » Minor as minor could be.
>> Hold on. You out petered Peter.
[8:09] » Other than that,
>> want to make a motion?
[8:13] » Yeah, go for it.
>> Oh, I think Peter first, Reese second
[8:17] » to approve the minutes with the minor
nit called out by Commissioner Hill. Uh,
[8:24] all those in favor of approving the
minutes.
[8:26] » Okay, the minutes are adopted. They're
going to ask me.
[8:29] » I also watched the meeting.
>> Okay.
[8:31] » Because I wasn't.
>> It's exciting to watch that.
[8:36] » Did it on my phone.
>> Where was that?
[8:37] » Yeah. Could you help us out, please?
>> Um, on page two of five
[8:43] » where it said, "Mr. Hill read the
following email into the record by Susan
[8:46] Cameron. Hi, Ed. I have reviewed your
numbers and vote to leave the race.
[8:53] » The S.
>> Get rid of the S.
[8:55] » Vote.
>> Got it.
[8:58] » Thank you.
>> It's a big It's a big deal.
[9:00] » Big.
>> No. No. I mean, we might as well. No,
[9:02] I'm not. So, I'm not saying anything
bad, but you know,
[9:04] » if I catch if I catch a grammar error,
>> we're going to cheer you. You get a gold
[9:10] star.
>> It's very rare.
[9:13] » I hate gold stars.
>> Not my forte.
[9:15] » Yeah. Should we have gold stars? Bring
the gold stars back.
[9:20] » Let's get the dogs.
>> Well, we're going to need a whole voting
[9:25] system for
>> Oh, who gets to wear it too?
[9:27] » Yeah. Sorry. Sorry.
>> Oh, yeah. That was edited. Okay, that's
[9:32] a good edit. Um,
that was really it for the edit.
[9:37] » Um,
all right. Next item on the agenda is uh
[9:42] setting of the sewer user fee uh
pursuant to public hearing number one.
[9:47] Um I think uh we've all made our uh
opinions uh clear on this um at the last
[9:54] meeting. Uh, you know, I'll just say,
uh, I think, uh, uh, Ed is doing a great
[10:04] job with this department, uh, being a
steward of not only our physical
[10:09] infrastructure, but our, uh, our sewer
user fee dollars uh, um, have been uh,
[10:19] used um, thoughtfully
uh, and well, um, and we are making
[10:27] necessary
investments uh in our sewer system
[10:32] um to
uh recover, maintain, improve its health
[10:38] and function
uh in the long term. Um so uh I like
[10:45] where the numbers are headed. I like
that uh we're projecting a slight well
[10:52] not a little more than a slight um
surplus this coming year but we have a
[10:56] long list of things that
uh uh we need to do uh to the system um
[11:03] and are looking forward to investing
that money which hopefully is going to
[11:09] uh produce a return on investment
um over time which is is what we're
[11:14] seeing in the numbers Um, anyone want to
make a motion as to what we do with the
[11:20] sewer user fee for the coming fiscal
year?
[11:22] » I'll make a motion that we keep the
sewer user fee at $7.50
[11:28] per CCF, which is a 0% increase.
>> And same motion for the minimum service
[11:36] charge.
>> Yes.
[11:38] » No change.
>> The the no change in the minimum service
[11:41] charge.
>> Great.
[11:42] » I'll second that. or the well rate or
the well rate.
[11:46] » All right, Bob first re second. Uh we
have a motion on the table. Any further
[11:51] discussion on the motion?
All those in favor of the motion. All
[11:55] right, motion passes. The rates will be
unchanged in the next fiscal year.
[11:59] Hopefully,
this is number two in a row.
[12:03] » Isn't it three?
>> I I thought we had increase. Is it
[12:07] three?
>> Just if I could just one small point.
[12:10] » Yeah. The well rate's actually going to
be determined by the average of the
[12:15] usage from the year before
>> in accordance with the regulations.
[12:18] » Yes.
>> So it does not need to be revised. The
[12:21] the the method by which it is calculated
does not need to be revised.
[12:24] » But the number will change. It may go up
or down. That's all I'm saying.
[12:28] » Oh, a little bit.
>> All right.
[12:29] » So,
>> um but we're not
[12:31] » but the minimum won't. You're not
changing the rate.
[12:33] » We're not changing that.
>> Got it.
[12:35] » Okay.
>> That's public water, private septic.
[12:38] Could be a well septic.
>> Yes.
[12:42] » Or well Could be a whole bunch of
things.
[12:46] » Yes, you're right.
>> Private water.
[12:48] » Private water. Public sewer.
>> Private water. Public sewer.
[12:52] » Yeah, you could have that.
>> Because if it's septic, they're not
[12:55] paying us,
>> right?
[12:56] » Um
>> we hope
[12:59] we find we find ones every once in a
while. All right, that's it for that
[13:03] one. Item number four, uh, sanitary
sewer regulations, proposed amendments
[13:08] to Darian code of ordinance, public
hearing number two.
[13:12] Um,
[13:16] and that is some more coming in the back
here.
[13:25] Here we go. I think Greg, before you
jump off, there were a few things I did
[13:30] add under that.
>> Yeah. Yeah, let's take a look. I don't
[13:32] know if you want to discuss that or do
the other piece. It's up to you. I
[13:36] didn't want you to skip over and that's
all.
[13:38] » Yeah, go ahead. Uh under the item we're
talking about now
[13:42] » or do you want to go over some of the
numbers from our prior
[13:45] » a handout?
>> Um no, the handout was to just
[13:49] supplement one page to update it. And I
threw that graph in there so you could
[13:52] see the the uptick in not only the the
revenue but our reserve
[13:57] » reserve balance. So now they coincide.
>> Yeah.
[14:00] » I wanted you to see that. Yeah.
>> Um, now the other piece was the graphs
[14:04] that you had put together at one time.
You updated them. I put them in the
[14:07] packet. Yes.
>> Didn't know if you wanted to talk about
[14:08] that now while you were on that topic.
>> Yeah, I was. Yeah, that's fine. I was
[14:12] going to go superintendent report, but
that's cool. You've got it under item 3.
[14:16] Uh, so we've seen these five graphs
before. Uh, and I just put in data for
[14:22] uh the last 12 months up to June 30th.
Uh, so item three, page 40 of 8. Uh you
[14:31] can see that the last 2 years the amount
of water we've been sending to Stanford
[14:36] has been going down and these are the
collection of meters on the discharges
[14:41] that end up going across ultimately the
Nuroten River. Um
[14:47] uh into Stamford.
Um so we're down the last two years. Um
[14:54] then
[14:58] page five of 8 uh is the data we get
from Aquarian on how much water use
[15:05] there is in town. Now this is this is
going to be I think we're seeing that
[15:12] little down tick between the with the
month change right between 2025 and 2026
[15:18] » methodology measuring
>> right so I think the method that
[15:22] methodology changed between 2025 and
2026
[15:25] » but it we most likely would have been
more more level and flat.
[15:29] » Yeah. Yeah. But we're still trying to
get irrigation water out of there. So
[15:32] that you know there may be a little bit
of an apples to oranges comparison here
[15:35] because the methodology changed a bit
from five months down to four or a
[15:38] different five months. I forget what we
did. Okay.
[15:41] » Different five months.
>> Different five months. Um
[15:46] chart three
which is on page seven of eight is
[15:52] Darien's uh INI portion of flow to
Stanford. So this is basically what are
[15:58] we sending to Stanford minus how much uh
aquarium
[16:04] water use we have. Um this relates
heavily to actually chart number five.
[16:09] I'll go back to chart number four in a
second. Chart number five is on page 88
[16:13] which is um comparing the INI flow or
estimated INI flow to rainfall. Rainfall
[16:21] is the red line going up and down as
rainfall goes up and uh up and down each
[16:27] year. Did I get that right? No, I'm
sorry. Wait, no. Wait. Yes. Rainfall
[16:32] rainfall is the red line. Rainfall red
line. Yes. Rainfall is the red line.
[16:36] Thank you. I got to I keep trying to
label those series and I have trouble.
[16:40] » They kind of correlate, don't they?
>> Um you think they kind of correlate.
[16:46] » Except
>> so we had another dry year. funny guy.
[16:49] » Uh we had another relatively dry year
and therefore we had another relatively
[16:54] low year for I ini still high but
relatively low.
[16:59] » Um
>> but if it's a percentage of water use
[17:01] and you have a dry year and people over
irrigate the irrigation system the
[17:05] measuring of natural sewage flow is
inaccurate.
[17:09] » Well except
>> best we can do
[17:11] » well I think we're doing
>> I think we're doing it a lot better now
[17:14] than we were with the shift in the five
months.
[17:17] » Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe it should be.
>> Yeah.
[17:20] » It's more towards fair.
>> Yeah. Um and it doesn't pick up
[17:23] commercial, which is, you know,
whatever. Uh which could be irrigating
[17:26] 12 months a year because
>> it's true.
[17:28] » Yep. Um we have some submeters on that
that we take out. A whole story. Uh so
[17:35] it's good that I think uh you know, INI
is going down. I I'm still waiting to
[17:42] see the wet year
uh without INI going up as much as it
[17:48] has in other wet years. So that that
really is the proof of
[17:52] » the one that we really
>> Yeah. You look at 2019 or 2024
[17:56] uh you know when you get 60 inches of
rain, you get a whole ton of eye and so
[18:02] that'll be my
>> less water use in rainy years
[18:06] » aggregate because there's less
irrigation. Uh,
[18:09] » could you put that chart in there, too?
>> Probably not because people have
[18:13] irrigated systems that run when it's
>> But they have the new systems are
[18:17] supposed to have rain sensors. So, maybe
as time goes by, that's as time goes by
[18:22] skew the graphs even more.
>> But this is okay. So, here's the rain
[18:26] going up and down.
>> Yeah.
[18:27] » Here's our water use.
So we're doing a pretty good what what
[18:32] that tells me is we're doing a pretty
good job of getting irrigation out of
[18:35] dry years for example because we're only
using you know whatever November March
[18:39] or December
>> the last year there's two years there's
[18:42] a bit of a spike.
>> Yes. There was well we had
[18:45] » November it was it was it was the
decision we made because the November
[18:50] water bill captures October water use
>> and they were late dry seasons
[18:56] » and so people were still irrigating in
October which caused that little bump.
[18:59] Yep.
>> That's that's that's really what led us
[19:02] to change our
>> Yeah.
[19:04] » uh system.
>> Yep.
[19:05] » Yeah.
>> But it didn't happen in 2019.
[19:08] » Um but it didn't happen in 2019. Well,
that was wet year. Um so it was less
[19:12] irrigation. Um you would have to pick
out a dry like this 2023.
[19:15] » This wet year didn't see any decrease.
>> So if you if it was a dry year, you
[19:18] would expect a pop in irrigation. It
didn't really happen. So but again,
[19:23] we're we were we're still using the
winter months primarily, right? So we're
[19:26] still doing a good job of keeping
irrigation out. Maybe we're doing a
[19:28] little bit better job at
>> that's the whole
[19:31] » Yeah.
>> Um
[19:33] » and I guess the only one I didn't talk
about is chart four which is just
[19:37] looking is just Stanford and and how
much if you take Darian's flow out what
[19:43] is their trend line look like? And their
trend line actually is going down
[19:47] slightly. Now last two years have been
dry years. So if they have INI that's
[19:51] why their last two years are down too
because it's been dry. So their INI is
[19:54] lower. Um, so again, you kind of got to
wait for the response in a wet year to
[19:59] really see what's going on.
>> What neighborhoods in Stanford are still
[20:04] older, less developed,
prone to some pumps?
[20:09] » And how's the development creeping
towards that? Because it does seem like
[20:13] the new buildings, even though they have
more density, don't have the problems
[20:17] with some pumps and
>> yeah,
[20:19] » issues that we've seen in the legacy
houses here in the lowlying areas. Just
[20:23] on a per capita basis, it's a much
tighter system. You know, much less
[20:26] mileage underground per capita.
>> Yeah. And most of it's new.
[20:31] » Most of it's new.
>> But they're all old areas. But it really
[20:36] has nothing to do with us unless
>> the denominator.
[20:40] » What are they doing about INI? What are
we? Because we're in a competitive race
[20:44] with them to get ours lower.
>> Yeah, they faster.
[20:47] » They also have an INI abatement program.
>> How are they working that? How are they
[20:51] doing it? No idea.
>> No idea.
[20:54] » Well, it's very it's in my opinion
looking at the numbers, it's very small
[20:58] in comparison to what we're doing.
>> But they may have done a lot before Yes.
[21:03] » I got here or while I had just started.
>> The big numbers we're looking at is when
[21:08] they're done finished building all those
buildings, we should see their flow go
[21:11] up.
>> Well, they
[21:13] » if all stays the same,
>> a lot of those buildings are finished,
[21:16] right? like you know like
you add another five to the 500 that are
[21:22] there you're only adding 1% right
>> there's west broad broad street summer I
[21:27] mean just finished one on summer but two
on broad the old Burlington
[21:31] » property the one by the Bell Street
garage or not Bell Street garage
[21:34] downtown garage
>> they're all just during construction
[21:37] right now but there are quite a few
units going down
[21:40] » Clint I think
>> it's it's not just units it's population
[21:43] and when you're building one and
two-bedroom units you're not necessarily
[21:46] building to the same population, the
single family homes.
[21:48] » Um, so, you know, we've they've done
plenty of building over the last 20
[21:54] years and that graph hasn't really all
changed that much.
[21:58] » Yeah.
>> Um, so I don't
[22:01] » That's interesting.
>> I mean, it can not at some level add to
[22:05] the denominator, but I I I'm not waiting
for that. You know, I think it's easy to
[22:10] see the development, but I think you
when you put it in context for like how
[22:14] many housing units are being added to
the total, you know, it's like one or
[22:18] two%. You know, it's not a big deal.
>> Um,
[22:24] if they're going up and we're going
down, it's that percentage every year
[22:29] that I'm
>> Yeah,
[22:30] » I'm shooting to see.
>> That's the number I'm looking at.
[22:34] » We're doing pretty good. We got What do
we got? 12 and a half this year.
[22:38] 1316.
>> 1316. 1316. Okay,
[22:43] » let's just keep pushing.
>> I'm going to get it to 12.
[22:47] » I mean, look, even even if all we did
was get from 15 to 12, we saved a ton of
[22:52] money, you know, like that's huge.
[22:58] » Uh,
okay. So item number four is this um
[23:03] regulation
uh edit
[23:07] um
[23:18] oh there we go C there they are sewer
user fee appeal
[23:24] uh no sewer user shall be allowed to
appeal three if town's not received
[23:29] Okay. Or
[23:34] uh Okay. Any comments on the edit to the
regulations?
[23:39] » No, I think the impact is clear.
>> Shall we have a motion?
[23:43] » I'll make a motion.
>> I'll second it.
[23:45] » What is your motion?
>> Yeah, we accept the new language from
[23:47] the old language. Better.
>> Okay. All right. We have a first and a
[23:51] second. Uh uh motion on the table to
adopt the amendment to the regulations.
[23:57] Um, do we have any further discussion on
the motion? All those in favor? Okay,
[24:03] motion passes. Amendments are updated.
Regulations are amended.
[24:10] Um,
[24:16] and my paperwork is all out of order
now, but I'll get it back in a second.
[24:22] » Well, I was okay till we got to those
graphs and then threw everything.
[24:27] Oh yeah, sorry.
I even gave you time to read that ahead
[24:31] of time, Bob.
>> All would have broke loose otherwise.
[24:35] » That's right. I didn't have a choice.
Wasn't like I was being nice.
[24:42] » Here we go.
>> I mean, let's just hope
[24:44] » section snarky.
>> It keeps trending in the same direction.
[24:50] » Trend is your friend.
>> I lost my agenda. Do you have the
[24:54] agenda?
>> Yeah, I hear you.
[24:55] » Yeah. Uh, now we're up to number five.
Table,
[24:59] » right?
>> We're up to this.
[25:00] » Here we go. This is what I needed.
>> We're up to this.
[25:03] » Um, sanitary, uh, table of appeals. Oh,
yeah. We're going to look at the table
[25:06] of appeals. Thank you.
>> Oh, yeah.
[25:09] » Um,
[25:13] so
>> I think leaks overtook irrigation this
[25:17] year.
>> I have to agree with you.
[25:20] » Ed, just as a snapshot, what's your
reaction? Are we being too lenient, not
[25:24] leaning enough? Just right? I mean,
Goldilocks here. Where are we in terms
[25:28] of
>> should we be a little tougher?
[25:31] » Um,
>> three months.
[25:33] » I know.
>> Yeah. What?
[25:34] » I'm pretty tough. So, that's probably
not a question for me.
[25:39] » No, it is. Well, you just answered the
question, didn't you?
[25:41] » But I uh you you folks have always been
fair. Anyone asks me about an appeal, I
[25:46] said, "They are fair. Come and present
your case."
[25:49] » Then he looks at me.
>> Um, and there's there's five of you. If
[25:51] if you guys as a group did not agree on
something, you will figure it out. Um
[25:56] that number looks big to me, but if you
go case by case and the thought process
[26:04] that you used, discussion you had, the
lengthy discussion on some of them, um
[26:09] uh you folks got to where you you felt
comfortable. So I I'm comfortable with
[26:14] that.
>> Let's hope we have fewer than 14
[26:17] irrigation appeals next season. That's
the goal.
[26:22] » Yes.
>> Get those out of here.
[26:23] » Well, there won't be any repeat
performers,
[26:26] » but I don't think we're going to ever
change uh the number of leaks or the
[26:33] number of uh other issues, right? So,
getting to 30 appeals would be a would
[26:40] be a win.
>> I mean, I I think our goal of being fair
[26:44] and equitable with the leaks, we are
reasonably close. I don't think you can
[26:50] ever be perfect, but I think I think
we're pretty good, if not better than
[26:56] that.
>> And I also believe we put in the effort
[27:00] to do that. I think we have a good
standard. I think the needle, and this
[27:06] is going to be me saying it, the needle
is probably on the side of of of uh
[27:12] accommodating versus uh uh uh
heavy-handed. And I think that's a fine
[27:19] place for the needle to be.
>> That's fair.
[27:25] » Yeah. It's a nice time to be able to see
all this and just step back and say,
[27:28] "All right, we did this all year." Yeah.
What's the
[27:30] » We had a whole lot of people come in.
>> Sort of a game recap.
[27:34] » Mhm.
>> And there's 18 leaks. That's one and a
[27:37] half every month.
>> Yeah. And we're and we're, you know,
[27:40] we're splitting the difference on the
period of time. So, it's not a full
[27:43] » forgiveness
in many situations. And and despite
[27:47] that,
those two on the graph are going the
[27:53] right way.
>> Yeah.
[27:55] » How are we year-over-year? We went back
all the years. Are we about this number
[27:59] every year?
>> Well,
[28:00] » this one jumped up. That's kind of why
we did I think this is the second one I
[28:04] gave you. This had everything for the
fiscal year so you could see it.
[28:08] » I think last year it was 45.
>> Okay.
[28:10] » Or 40ish. And the year before that was
3132.
[28:14] » Yep. We had one here of 6,500 bucks.
>> Yeah. Well, you get you get a leaking
[28:19] pipe that's, you know, in February and
cranks for two weeks. It can it can pump
[28:24] out a lot of water
>> and and skew the uh the overall build
[28:28] quite precipitously.
>> Thank you so much to Joanne for keeping
[28:32] this. This is great.
>> Helpful data.
[28:34] » Sure.
>> Uh scorecard.
[28:36] » We good with uh item number five? We
move item six.
[28:40] » Uh okay. Turns out
>> item six on the agenda which is a phase
[28:45] 2 engineering presentation by Arcadus is
going to be
[28:49] » tabled.
>> Um and the question is do you guys want
[28:52] to hear this presentation at our meeting
in October or do you want to set a
[28:56] special meeting to hear this
presentation?
[28:58] » Um any idea how long it's going to be? I
know in October we have appeals. So
[29:03] that's why
>> uh we probably won't get any appeals.
[29:06] Oh, we don't. Yeah, that first bills go
out for October 1st.
[29:11] » We don't have time to put together the
information. We don't usually take
[29:14] appeals in October.
>> All right.
[29:16] » We've asked her to keep it to 15 20
minutes, just enough to give you a
[29:20] flavor of what we're doing. Have an
opportunity to ask questions if you
[29:23] like. So, October is a good month to get
>> um if you feel the need to get the
[29:28] information sooner and have another
meeting. Uh as long as the consensus is
[29:33] that we can wait till October.
Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good.
[29:38] » All right. Take until October. Thank
you. Uh and uh you're going to tell us
[29:44] about the billing for 88 Parry Point
Road.
[29:49] » Yes, I am. Um they subdivided that
property. It used to be a school.
[29:54] » Yeah, that one went into a four lot
subdivision.
[29:57] » Yep.
>> At which time they issued partial
[30:01] number, lot numbers, whatever you'd like
to call list numbers, if you will. Um
[30:05] they mistakenly give this gave this
piece of property the wrong list number.
[30:09] » So there was water usage tied to it
>> as you see in the graph.
[30:13] » Yeah.
>> Um but there is a
[30:19] sewer lateral connection to our low
pressure force main in front of the
[30:22] property
which gives it a little which is why I'm
[30:26] here basically because I don't know the
feeling about that piece of it. But
[30:31] other the other part of it is I don't
give money back unless you folks tell me
[30:37] it's okay.
>> So those are the two pieces I have right
[30:40] now.
>> Using water and not discharging to the
[30:42] sewer.
>> There's no use of water on this
[30:44] property.
>> Oh,
[30:46] » that use was another puzzle in another
part of town that had no business being
[30:51] on this list number. So it was a
mistake.
[30:53] » But it just started and and then these
bills have been paid.
[30:56] » So we sent out bills. The bills were
paid but there was no water use. It was
[31:00] an error on our end for sending out the
>> And we only go back three years.
[31:05] » Yeah.
>> This we're only allowed We're only
[31:07] allowed to collect three years. We only
go back three years.
[31:09] » Yeah.
>> But
[31:10] » but it brought to our attention when
they were selling the property.
[31:14] » Okay. Is the other is the the other
property on the other side of the town
[31:20] up and correct?
>> It's not even tied to the sewer from
[31:24] what I can find. We're we're looking
into that right now to make sure. But as
[31:27] of right now, this is this is the one I
have to clear up and then I have to go
[31:31] ahead and check that. Uh
>> but from what I can find the location of
[31:35] the house and property, there's no sewer
in the street. So it'd be difficult.
[31:39] » And I would make a motion whatever the
last three years.
[31:43] » So just before we go there, so this
property has been disconnected from the
[31:48] sewer
>> or never was connected. When they put
[31:51] the low pressure force man in, they put
a valve box or three of them valve boxes
[31:58] in front of the parcels that had the
school had one big parcel. There was
[32:04] somebody that knew what they were doing.
>> Darren does that all the time.
[32:07] » Put a couple connections out in front
for them to use,
[32:11] » but
>> okay.
[32:12] » Never been used. There's no water going
to them.
[32:16] » So there's no need for a dis. There's a
house in one of those lots now.
[32:20] » Well, yeah. They we we tied that one's
being built.
[32:22] » We tied it into We tied it in with a uh
a wet tap.
[32:25] » Yes.
>> Two years ago.
[32:27] » Okay. So, this is for one of the vacant
properties. Got it. Got it. Got it.
[32:31] » Okay. Just making sure there was no need
for a disconnect permit, but there is
[32:35] not.
>> There is not.
[32:36] » Okay.
>> I'll make a motion whenever the last
[32:38] three years that you can possibly refund
them. Go ahead.
[32:42] » It's right here.
>> That's that graph that's in front of me.
[32:44] » $1,12462.
[32:47] Okay. You want to make a motion?
>> I'll make a motion that we refund them
[32:51] for those three years um in the amount
of $11,12462.
[32:56] » I'll second that.
>> Who Who are we refunding?
[32:59] » Whoever that paid it, the owner selling
it.
[33:02] » It be the what? Previous owner.
>> Oh, right.
[33:05] » They just sold it. They just closed on
it.
[33:07] » Oh, they closed it already.
>> I would go with the previous owner.
[33:10] » So,
>> we'll get the money in the right hand of
[33:13] the right people. I can tell you that.
>> Uh we have a first and a second. We have
[33:16] a motion on the table. I have a
question.
[33:19] » Uh, should they be at least charged the
minimum charge because they have the
[33:23] ability to hook up to the sewer?
>> That's up for you folks. That's why I
[33:28] asked.
>> No.
[33:30] » No. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought people that
had a sewer connection out in front of
[33:33] their house, but they don't even
absolutely don't.
[33:35] » Oh, they don't.
>> Just pay the assessment
[33:36] » because they're disconnected.
>> They're not hooked up yet.
[33:39] » Yeah. That would be like you filed a in
my opinion, it'd be like you filed a
[33:42] disconnect permit. So, it wouldn't it's
not like The house is vacant. The lot is
[33:48] vacant. To me, it's a little different,
but I think it's almost semantics.
[33:52] » Okay. Um,
>> there's a really good qu. It made me
[33:55] think for a minute.
>> All those all those in favor of Reese's
[33:58] motion. Susan's motion.
>> All right.
[34:02] » I get excited.
>> Bob, I
[34:04] » Yes, I'm sorry.
>> Sorry.
[34:06] » Just want to make sure to make sure got
you in the tent there.
[34:10] » Got I was trying to shove him out the
door.
[34:15] Um,
all right. Item number eight, sump pump
[34:18] removal policy. Uh, we have an update or
we don't have an update.
[34:24] » Uh, we have an update.
>> Quick update for you.
[34:26] » Okay.
>> Um, as of right now, we have, uh, 3,450
[34:32] um, responses.
>> Okay.
[34:35] Of the 5,432,
it's about 64%. Okay.
[34:41] um 150 additional since the last meeting
a month ago.
[34:44] » Okay. Um no some no sump some pumps are
about 1,800 of those responding.
[34:52] » Mhm.
>> Uh yes to sump pumps are 1645.
[35:00] Okay. Of the sump pump ones 112 have
sanitary sewer connections.
[35:06] Okay.
>> So we have 13
[35:12] Last month we went up 13.
>> A lot of people were correcting it
[35:16] before they sent the thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[35:18] » Really good.
>> Stealing my thunder here.
[35:22] » We will never know how many got removed
because of this action.
[35:25] » Yes.
>> Uh but that's okay.
[35:28] » Um but and those are that's the all the
good news now. And this isn't bad news.
[35:33] This just means followup for us.
>> Um there some of them that require
[35:37] photos. There's over a thousand that we
didn't get any.
[35:40] » Okay.
>> So, we're going to have to follow up
[35:41] with them. Um, and ones with no
signatures, there's about 150ish.
[35:47] So, we can send them out. We're trying
to figure out a way to do it where we
[35:50] send it to you, you sign it, and you
just send it, you email it back to us
[35:54] where it's simple. We put it with your
file and it's put away. Um, we're
[35:58] working on that.
>> So, the last piece to reach
[36:00] » out, that's going to be the longtail
followup is getting all these folks.
[36:04] » It is. It is. I think the other 2,000
might be a problem, too.
[36:08] » Well, yeah,
>> just a bit.
[36:09] » So, so far we have almost 10 people that
disconnected and were and told us they
[36:13] did before they sent in the form or who
were about to or just I just got one
[36:17] today in the as an email and a picture
and the sump pump with the water running
[36:21] outside onto the ground.
>> Great.
[36:22] » So, this is and when I say running, it
was like they turned a 2-in faucet on.
[36:27] It was coming out of that pipe.
>> So, that's exciting.
[36:31] » This is There's some good stuff coming
out of the
[36:33] » And it's just going right into the lawn
now. Yeah, there.
[36:35] » What's that?
>> It's just going straight out
[36:37] » onto the onto the pavement onto the
lawn.
[36:39] » Wow.
>> Keep your
[36:42] » weapon.
>> Now, he may have filled it. He may have
[36:45] filled it up with water just to show me
it was running.
[36:48] » I I doubt it.
>> Okay, that's the update.
[36:52] » Are the ones that are connected coming
from the same part of town?
[36:58] » Haven't identified that yet.
>> Near a stream or river? But I can tell
[37:02] you there the ones where I expected um
we did get uh a neighborhood let's say
[37:08] that I was and I won't talk about it
right now because I need to look at a
[37:11] little bit better.
>> Um the answers that I expected are the
[37:15] ones I'm getting.
>> Okay.
[37:16] » So,
>> and have any of them felt that they
[37:20] needed um help with in a new pipe in the
street or something like that?
[37:24] » One of them did. Uh, one of the very
first gentlemen that I met with before
[37:28] we even got it approved through the RTM
came to me and we talked about I met him
[37:31] out on his on his property on the
roadway. Um, and that's the one I looked
[37:36] at that has quite a few um, sump pumps.
>> Can you share what street that is?
[37:41] » Uh, Pleasant Street.
>> Pleasant Street. Okay.
[37:43] » I've heard of that.
>> But I'd say a lot of them are already
[37:48] discharging to the the either the ground
right behind the catch basin or, you
[37:52] know, it's making its way out. But there
are a couple that okay
[37:55] » that were connected.
>> Okay.
[37:59] » We want to help if we can.
>> Yeah.
[38:01] » Uh all right. So now we have time on 8B
to discuss revisions to the compliance
[38:10] statement.
Uh which the compliance statement is
[38:15] this one. Got back down to a one page or
we got down to one page.
[38:21] Um I thought uh after monitoring the
discussion from the last meeting most of
[38:26] the changes to this were reasonably
wellreceived.
[38:30] » Huh?
>> No.
[38:32] » Huh?
>> Okay.
[38:33] » To the affidavit to the statement
itself.
[38:35] » Didn't you watch the meeting?
>> I did. I thought the compliance
[38:38] statement was like, "Oh, yeah. It makes
sense to have a date. Oh, it makes sense
[38:41] to tell people where the list number can
be found by the list."
[38:44] » Oh, those kind of changed. Yeah, but I I
just like the font and making it in one
[38:48] page and that
>> and changing.
[38:51] » Let's put it this way. I will do this in
a quick
[38:55] » one one sentence thing. Perfection is
the enemy of progress.
[39:01] » Okay.
that statement.
[39:05] » I am uh look I read documents all day
long uh and they are constantly edited
[39:12] uh as an I have a contract document that
we put on every proposal every year and
[39:18] once a year I read through that again
and even though it's me reading it year
[39:23] after year I end up making changes to
it. So, I I don't have any issue with
[39:29] anybody else saying, "Hey, what about
this? What if you did that? Would it
[39:32] look better like this?" I receive all of
those comments uh with an open mind. Uh
[39:37] and we can decide to accept them or not.
So, that's my standpoint. Um and we're
[39:43] we're we're currently with our first
draft. We're at a D,
[39:47] which is what 64% is. Um
>> that No, no, no. That's
[39:51] » You think it's because of the documents
that we've sent out? Correct. way would
[39:55] be reflected.
Wait a minute.
[39:57] » They were talking about grades last time
like oh we got a good
[40:00] » Are you relating that the forms to how
many people
[40:02] » forms to how many people I was making
>> data is good but when
[40:06] » that relation if you look at the video
that relation was made last time and I
[40:10] was making a joke about it.
>> Are you kidding me?
[40:12] » Well,
>> okay.
[40:14] » You're too funny.
>> Missed that one. I like the improvements
[40:19] to the to the SPOM compliance statement,
especially if they help the people
[40:23] tracking the data.
>> As far as the letter is concerned,
[40:27] » let's deal with this first. Deal.
>> We'll do one thing at a time. Okay.
[40:29] » You like the statement? I don't really
care either way. Somebody wants to knit
[40:32] or nat it. It's not a big deal to me.
>> And and
[40:35] » I just think you need to get through the
first, you know, out and in before you
[40:40] start changing it. You cannot mid. This
is too much midstream and it's too much
[40:45] just trying to reinvent and perfect the
wheel.
[40:49] » Does it mess you up at all?
>> Uh I'm going to try to make some uh
[40:53] organization out of this so we can move
forward, not just talk back and forth.
[40:58] Um of the commissioners here today and
I'm talking just about the sump pump
[41:02] compliance statement. Raise your hand if
you are willing to consider edits to the
[41:08] sump pump compliance statement.
>> Yes.
[41:10] » Okay. So, four of us are willing to do
so. Uh, okay. So, now let's consider the
[41:16] edits, each one, to the sun comp.
>> First want to ask Ed, does it mess you
[41:21] up by changing the form?
[41:25] » I'm going to say it doesn't.
>> Okay. Um, it would be easier to look at
[41:29] everything on the front page of,
>> okay,
[41:32] » in one page for you, but I I know the
numerous numerous iterations that we
[41:37] went through and Susan's help to to kind
of reorganize it and add more pumps
[41:41] because we're finding out people had
five. Um, that whole thing brought us to
[41:45] where we were. Um, getting it
>> to fit on one page I thought was a
[41:50] » good
>> herculean effort and it was done. Um
[41:54] that would I think it would make it
easier for our folks just to have that
[41:57] one sheet in front of us.
>> That's my first type of
[42:00] » and maybe you'll get more signatures
that way too.
[42:03] » Uh who is uh thinks it's a good idea to
put the date on the compliance
[42:08] statement.
>> Wasn't it always on the compliance?
[42:11] » I don't know. It's highlighted. So
that's why I'm asking that question
[42:14] » just just for me to I add I added it to
it because it wasn't there. This is a
[42:19] version that I doctorred so that it met
what we had previously got statement.
[42:25] » Okay.
>> So it always had a date. I put the date
[42:28] on and highlighted it. That's my edit
>> just to not lose it.
[42:30] » So are these yellow highlights your
edits?
[42:33] » Yes.
>> Oh, okay.
[42:34] » Yep. Or if I couldn't move it, I say
move up to list number because I
[42:38] couldn't manipulate the document and I
tried. But other than that, the the text
[42:44] in here is consistent with the text in
the initial version.
[42:50] » The data that's asking for is consistent
with the data that was asked for on the
[42:55] original statement. So, it's all there
now. And the and the text is all there.
[42:58] Yes.
>> Just not twice. Let's say there's a
[43:02] couple things that were repeated. Um,
[43:13] do folks have an opinion as to
this being on one page or two?
[43:20] » All right. So, people got the one in
May.
[43:24] » Yes.
>> So, now you're going to be sending the
[43:26] people who haven't filled it out
>> this one,
[43:30] » whatever version we decide to go with.
>> Okay. I'm just the uh just speaking
[43:36] theoretically. So now you're going to
send them this one.
[43:40] » Maybe they're not maybe
>> they're not going to remember that.
[43:43] » Exactly.
>> They're not going to remember the old
[43:45] one.
>> No, cuz they didn't give a crap.
[43:47] » Yeah. I think I think the more jury
those probably just got thrown out.
[43:50] Yeah.
>> And the fact that we've improved it and
[43:52] made it one page
>> should be commended.
[43:54] » Well, anyway, so I'm just saying like do
we like one page or not? Because one
[43:58] page is a smaller font. One page is is
is very tiny margins. Uh do we like one
[44:05] page or did we like two pages? Just
>> didn't we already vote on that?
[44:09] » What did we just
>> We sort of discuss
[44:12] » the the the straw poll that I the straw
poll that I
[44:17] » Shall we talk about it?
>> Oh my god. Okay. What are we going to
[44:20] talk about?
>> I'm sorry. You want to do this
[44:22] differently?
>> No. No. I'm just I'm confused. Okay.
[44:25] » I thought I thought we had voted that
four of us thought that this one page
[44:28] was good.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I
[44:30] misunderstood your vote.
>> My question was who is willing to
[44:34] consider
>> Oh,
[44:36] » changes to
>> because I was trying to decide if we had
[44:40] enough of a vote of people that were
even willing to change it.
[44:42] » Okay.
>> Um so that we could then discuss if
[44:44] there were any nits or nats or revisions
or changes and that's what we're
[44:47] discussing now.
>> Okay.
[44:49] » Okay. Uh
so do people like the one page versus
[44:53] the two? Susan,
>> I like the one page.
[44:57] » Reese Reese likes the ones page. Peter,
>> I'm chief. I like one page.
[45:01] » I like one page. Okay.
>> All right. Ed likes one page.
[45:04] » It was one page.
>> I I assume he's a no matter what we do.
[45:07] So,
>> you wanted one page.
[45:09] » I am against changing it. Yes.
>> Plain and simple.
[45:13] » Yep. Understood. That's why I wanted to
make that clear.
[45:15] » Is the enemy of progress
>> before we started. Okay. So, then I'll
[45:19] ask a broader question because maybe
we're already there. Um, if we're
[45:24] considering the one before us, uh,
labeled 8 B plus C, three of three, does
[45:29] anyone have any changes to what's here
to make?
[45:39] » How about something where I jump up a
blind statement in red?
[45:45] » Um,
I mean, what you know,
[45:48] » I'm teasing. I don't care. I really
don't care. We do already have actions
[45:52] required on the letter in red.
>> There's a lot of ink in doing it in red.
[45:55] » That is true. Um,
>> if this is the way they're going to get
[46:01] printed,
I think this is blurry.
[46:04] » Yep.
>> And it should be more clear.
[46:07] » Why not flip it? Do the white flask and
black white.
[46:10] » Yeah, something like that. Use less ink.
Make sure the
[46:14] » the title of the form in the top right
uh is bold and clear
[46:21] » and uh easy to read.
>> Yeah.
[46:22] » I don't think it needs to be filled in.
I think we could box it.
[46:25] » Yeah. And just do a bold letter or
whatever.
[46:27] » Box it. Flip it. Yeah.
>> Okay.
[46:31] » Uh is there anything else on the form
that uh people might want to change in
[46:38] the next draft?
[46:46] Okay, with that, can I get a motion?
>> I'll make a motion we accept this form
[46:50] to send out for the second round.
>> Okay, we're going to get such better
[46:53] results.
>> Second.
[46:57] » I'll second it.
>> Okay. Uh, first and second on the table.
[47:01] Any further discussion on the changes to
the form? All those in favor? All right.
[47:07] You have our authority.
We we already know
[47:11] » all those votes, right? I do have to say
that out loud. Thank you. One four to
[47:15] one.
>> You could have stayed.
[47:16] » Um
>> no, I'm gonna be consistent if nothing
[47:19] else.
>> Uh okay.
[47:23] Um then with that, we're going to do the
same kind of process with eight uh 8C,
[47:29] the res revised cover letter. first um
uh just straw poll
[47:36] uh commission members that are willing
to consider uh changes or edits to the
[47:40] cover letter.
>> Okay.
[47:43] » I'll consider it.
>> You'll consider it. Okay. But you're
[47:46] more a little more skeptical on this
one. Um
[47:48] » you hear what I say.
>> Okay.
[47:51] Uh
and again, these we we basically got a
[47:58] cover letter
Oh, wait. We got two versions. The uh
[48:06] that was the original that we sent out.
>> The fir one of three is the original.
[48:10] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[48:13] » No, one of three is the
>> Oh, I'm sorry.
[48:16] » Second notice.
>> Yeah.
[48:17] » Oh, okay. One of three is the proposed
version
[48:22] and two of three was the original.
>> Mhm.
[48:25] » Okay.
um put on new header. That looks funny.
[48:31] But uh
>> the second one added a sentence you
[48:33] haven't filled in.
>> No. And neither of these can be the
[48:35] original. The font on the top is not
correct.
[48:39] » Well, that was one of my my items
>> that that just
[48:42] » Are we now changing our our logo to be
an oval?
[48:46] » No. I think there's something wrong with
the graphic that they put in this file.
[48:50] » Some somebody tried to fit it all on one
page with it.
[48:54] » Yeah.
um
[48:55] » and adding all the
>> That would have been me. Okay. And I
[48:58] just squished it up to show you what how
much room it was needed and it's showing
[49:03] it on there. But
>> so the first thing we want to say is
[49:05] » I'll have that fixed.
>> Let's make sure the header looks the way
[49:08] it's supposed to when it gets printed
out.
[49:10] » Okay.
>> Okay. Uh fix header. Okay. Uh
[49:16] » picking up on Bob's comment from the
last meeting, I agree that sewer
[49:20] commission is in too small of a font.
on the header and I think sewer
[49:27] commission should be enlarged.
[49:32] » Well, that's the new that's the new even
though we're not using it yet on our on
[49:37] these things on our legal notices. Isn't
that the new way of of town hall putting
[49:42] out their
>> stationary?
[49:44] » Only if you say this this is your this
is your letterhead.
[49:48] Don't we have to comply with what
they're do we doing everything in the
[49:52] first election's office
>> with regard to
[49:55] » I think everything is a recommendation
>> but if we look at the way the some plump
[50:00] some pump compliance statement is if you
look at it there it's all the same font
[50:06] top all the same size all the same font
>> that's the way it should be this to me
[50:12] looks mishimoiled
>> look again I think it's as easy as us
[50:16] saying we'd like it bigger
We don't have to argue about it or
[50:20] question people's motivations and why
they did it. If we want it bigger, we
[50:23] can say, "Let's make it bigger."
>> Do people like the Do people want sewer
[50:29] commission bigger?
>> Yes.
[50:30] » The same size as town.
>> I wouldn't do that.
[50:34] » I would at least get it to the end of
the T and the N.
[50:37] » Yeah.
>> Uh I think that necessarily just going
[50:40] to stretch it sideways.
>> Well, you just keep
[50:42] » No, I wouldn't stretch it sideways. I'd
increase the font. I'd increased the
[50:45] font size until it got to the same space
between T and N.
[50:50] » Uh, stretching is what got us into the
problem here or with the oval.
[50:57] » Uh, okay.
>> Gotta love graphics.
[50:59] » So, with that, uh, the one of the
substantive changes is as of the date of
[51:06] this letter, the sewer department has
yet to receive a response to the
[51:10] original request for information dated
May 11, 2026. I I thought I heard Peter
[51:15] at the last meeting say uh yet to
receive a response from you.
[51:22] » Yes.
>> A little more pointed like please pay
[51:26] attention if you've read to the second
sentence of the first paragraph. That's
[51:28] not bad.
>> That's good.
[51:31] » Um
[51:35] uh all right. Does anybody else have any
edits or other changes to this letter?
[51:43] our general comments.
>> Sure. Yeah. How do you feel about the
[51:45] letter?
>> I don't think it's going to matter
[51:49] » because the people who called the first
election's office, which was what
[51:52] prompted this, either don't know how to
read, they're idiots.
[51:58] » Wow. That's
>> Or I'm sorry, Craig. Go back to any of
[52:00] the previous letters. Go back to the
things we sent for 5 years. Where in
[52:04] those those documents did it say call
the first selectman if you don't
[52:07] understand this?
or else they're people who just want to
[52:12] complain. So, I don't think it matters
what letter you sent. If you add more
[52:15] verbiage, I don't think they're going to
read it.
[52:18] » The same people who didn't didn't read
the one we sent and didn't read the one
[52:21] we sent for 5 years, they're not going
to read this one.
[52:24] » They're smoking pot. Whatever.
>> I'm not.
[52:26] » You can pick one of many different
reasons as to
[52:29] » whoever is going to ignore or defer or
choose not to respond or be offended by
[52:35] this letter is not going to change.
>> Exactly. uh by the edits that we make.
[52:40] But if there's small things that we can
do over time to make this letter that's
[52:45] going to get sent out probably a lot
more than twice a little bit better each
[52:48] time, I'm all for it.
>> Be more wordy for people who don't read.
[52:52] Okay.
>> So, one sentence is more wordy.
[52:55] » Maybe we should make it two pages. Then
we can give them two pages not to read.
[52:59] » One sentence is more wordy.
>> No.
[53:02] » No.
>> Oh, okay.
[53:02] » Who cares?
>> Who cares? I think it's
[53:04] » I'm saying who cares.
Okay,
[53:08] » who cares what it says? They're not
going to read it. The summary compliance
[53:12] statement, which is stuff that they need
to fill in, that's more important. The
[53:16] letter, whatever.
>> One more time. And perfection is is the
[53:20] enemy of progress.
>> Doesn't matter. Anyway, so so we can
[53:23] change it, we cannot change it. My
feeling is that the people that are
[53:26] going to call the first selection's
office
[53:29] are not reading it.
>> You have no idea how many calls I get
[53:32] for stuff you wouldn't even believe.
Yeah.
[53:34] » Well, you can we can Peter and I can
make a list.
[53:38] » I was ask John, "What's your latest
call?" It's just someone make you almost
[53:42] hit the ground.
>> I know.
[53:43] » Amazing.
>> So, anyway, that's my comment. Doesn't
[53:47] matter.
>> Uh, okay. Does anybody else have any
[53:50] other changes that they would like to
make to the letter?
[53:53] » Should we put Ed's cell phone number on
it
[53:58] » in case it's a weekend? Somebody's got a
concern.
[54:03] Well, you know, it is interesting.
Now that I'm looking at this letter,
[54:08] » there's no phone number for
>> There's no phone number for the sewer
[54:11] department. All right, that's a good ad.
Good catch.
[54:16] » Did it get removed by where it's Oh, no.
It's something. All right.
[54:19] » Do you want to put it right under sewer
commission? Put the phone number.
[54:23] » Um, that's probably a good spot for it.
Uh, top bottom. Yeah.
[54:28] » Oh, they won't read that. for the email
that sewer commission email.
[54:33] » I think we we opted not to put it on I
know I know I didn't want it on there.
[54:37] » Well, here's here's
>> it's on the compliance statement.
[54:39] » Here's the email
>> at the top.
[54:42] » It's at the top.
>> We didn't put it in the letter.
[54:44] » Yeah,
>> we I would have preferred to get it in
[54:46] writing your emails and your call.
>> You like people sending emails because
[54:51] you've got a record of the conversation.
>> That's one. Two, it's easier to track.
[54:54] It's not overwhelming.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[54:56] » Um easier to follow up and follow them
through. Mhm.
[54:59] » And we've been storing and saving them
too as we go through.
[55:01] » Okay.
>> And if they get a call over there,
[55:03] they're going to send it over to you,
right?
[55:05] » And they did. They did. It's just some
of the comments that were being made um
[55:10] with regards to the letter and the
compliance statements, you know,
[55:15] » seemed more of a misunderstanding on
what they were reading or what they were
[55:17] looking at.
[55:21] » All right. Any further discussion on the
letter?
[55:25] » Okay. Can I get a motion?
>> I'll make a motion with your amendment.
[55:28] Make sewer commission fit town of
Derenne T to N
[55:32] » T to N.
>> Um and uh from you
[55:36] » at Peters from you
>> from you
[55:37] » and then make sure the header displays
properly.
[55:40] » Yep.
>> This is great.
[55:42] » And telephone.
>> We have I think we're going to leave
[55:44] that out.
>> Sounded like we were
[55:46] » there are people who don't have email
but they can call the first selection's
[55:50] office and the first selectman's office
because they can apparently find their
[55:53] phone number whereas they can't find the
sewer commission phone number. But, you
[55:57] know, I think that that in this day and
age, there's plenty of ways to get in
[56:00] touch.
>> Yes, I do agree with that.
[56:03] » Plenty of ways.
>> All right. So, do we have a second on
[56:07] Reese's motion?
>> All right. Mr. Van Winkle makes a
[56:11] second. Any further discussion on the
motion? All those in favor? All right.
[56:17] Letter is edited.
>> And opposed?
[56:19] » Oh, yeah. All those posted. Sorry. 41.
>> It's fair. It's It's a worthy
[56:24] » No, no, no. I I just forget. Uh, so it's
all good. Superintendent report.
[56:29] » Superintendent report. Very good.
[56:35] Just a little update on the rehab,
phase three rehab. You know, the lining
[56:41] has been
substantially completed. Um, there's one
[56:45] or two small sections that are left. Uh,
service connection grouting has been
[56:50] ongoing. It's about 45% completed this
time. They'll be here this week and I
[56:54] believe into next. Um lateral cleaning
and CCTV work uh has three more days
[57:01] remaining on their list. Um some
remaining uh lateral lining is to be
[57:07] scheduled. So we have to go back and do
a couple um couple more of those.
[57:12] » So we're done with the pipes. We just
have to go back and fix a couple
[57:15] laterals.
>> Yep. And then the manholes making sure
[57:17] they're any
>> Fantastic. But I always feel like the
[57:19] pipes
>> epoxy lining
[57:20] » pipes is the big one. are the big ones.
>> Um
[57:26] or what we're finding with some of the
service laterals is uh
[57:31] um some pumps were blowing out some of
our lateral lining. So we couple backups
[57:39] that we had to look at. We'll have more
information on that at our next meeting
[57:42] with regards to damages, anything like
that.
[57:45] » Oh, so we're trying to do a lateral
lining and then there's flow coming in
[57:49] anyway.
>> Yeah.
[57:50] » And people aren't flushing.
>> Yeah. One was a um a washing machine
[57:55] that was after the time that they gave
him the window they and the other one
[58:00] was a sump pump that was
>> discharging.
[58:03] » Yes.
>> Yes. And that's another one that we got
[58:06] disconnected.
>> Okay.
[58:09] » All right. So that's uh phase three.
phase two engineering
[58:14] is as you um they're just the reason
that she wasn't here that there's some
[58:20] data that they want to go back and
refine. It happened to do with the area
[58:23] down in Roen Bay um multiple meters down
there. Um they're close together. Well,
[58:30] I think that what they were worried
about was the turbulent flow giving them
[58:33] some some readings that that were giving
them negative flows when they started
[58:38] doing the calculations. So, they're
going to go back and do a little bit
[58:41] more research on that before they come
to you and present to you.
[58:44] » Um, not something that occurs all the
time, but it's happened before in those
[58:47] tight smaller areas.
>> Save that special meter. Maybe Craig
[58:50] will need it on one of these jobs.
[58:55] » Uh, number C, I just wanted to bring you
up to speed on
[59:00] um for Seagate Road.
As you see, it's noticed it's never been
[59:06] built. Um, don't know why the house has
been there for a while, but what I uh I
[59:13] give you the good news when we give
money back. I give you the or the bad
[59:15] news. I give you the good news when we
got collected. So, you know, there they
[59:19] are out there. Every once in a while, we
do come across them, especially with
[59:21] house sales. Um, when they do find out
that it's still on septic. Um, so we
[59:27] will be billing them that amount.
>> Um,
[59:32] » when was that hooked up? Was that an
older home?
[59:35] It's It's the one of the original
houses.
[59:39] » So, it's always been on sewer.
>> It's always been on sewer.
[59:42] » Someone got a deal.
>> They did.
[59:44] » How did you discover it sold?
>> Uh, a sale on the sale of the house.
[59:50] » So, we made him camera the line. Uh,
developed an asbuilt from it, created a
[59:55] a lateral file and created a bill that
goes back three years.
[1:00:01] » Wow.
Did they have a stop?
[1:00:09] » It's a definite possibility. Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a that's a question that
[1:00:14] we'll we'll find out as we get the
reports back. Um, and the last item I
[1:00:19] just want to mention is that Joanne was
provided me the the final numbers on the
[1:00:24] connection fees. Just so you folks know,
it's uh for this past fiscal year um
[1:00:29] just over $290,000 of connection fees
that we got and one one or two one large
[1:00:36] large development and a couple
developments included in there. But uh
[1:00:41] just wanted to point that out to you.
>> 10 years ago that would have been zero,
[1:00:44] right? Five years ago whenever
>> five years ago we just started
[1:00:48] connection fees about five years ago.
>> Cool.
[1:00:53] » Thanks. just mention it. That's that's
all I have.
[1:00:56] » Darren, anything?
>> No, sir.
[1:00:58] » Any questions for the superintendent?
[1:01:04] All right. Any new business?
[1:01:11] All right, Peter, you're up.
>> I make a motion.
[1:01:17] » All those in favor?
>> Second.
[1:01:19] » No second.
>> I'll second.
[1:01:22] » Thank you, channel 79. We're all set.