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welcome you to the Davidson County Board
of Commissioners Thursday November the

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7th meeting uh Miss Watford would you
lead us with the U invocation and the

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Pledge of Allegiance yes sir thank you
very much um someone sent me um Thomas

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Jefferson's prayer for the nation uh
which was given on March the 4th

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1801 but I think this prayer certainly
fits today's times as well so if you'll

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bow and pray with me almighty God who
has given us this good land for our

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heritage we humbly beseech thee that
that we may always prove ourselves a

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people mindful of thy favor and glad to
do thy will bless our land with

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honorable Ministry sound learning and
pure manners save us from violence

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Discord and confusion from pride and
arrogance and from every evil way defend

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our liberties and fashion into one
United people the multitude brought

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hither out of many kindreds and tongues
endow us with a spirit of wisdom who

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Those whom in the thy name we entrust
the authority of government that there

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be Justice and peace at home and that
through obedience to thy law we may show

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forth thy praise among the nations of
the

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Earth in time of prosperity fill our
hearts with thankfulness and in the day

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of trouble suffer not our trust in thee
to fail all of which we ask through

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Jesus Christ Our Lord amen amen
amen I pledge aliance to to the flag of

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the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation

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under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for

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all beautiful prayer that was thank you
thank you uh can I get a motion to

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excuse uh commissioner mael please move
second all in favor I I any opposed that

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motion
carries um Mr Shores if you'll do the

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recognition of veterans please thank you
Mr chairman do we have any veterans with

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us today if you would are a veteran
would you please stand and be

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recognized no veterans Mr chairman all
right register for public address

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anybody wanting to do so the clipboards
right over here on the table and under

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the clerk adoption of the agenda uh Mr
Smith has asked for a closed session for

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personnel be added to the agenda that
DSS social work pay discussion be added

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to agenda item
7M are there any other changes to the

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agenda no sir seeing no other changes Mr
chairman i' make a motion that we

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approve the agenda as amended all right
we got a motion we have a second second

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all in favor I any opposed Deb do you
want it on the computer or do you just

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fly through like this that's just mine
okay um if we get some real

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controversial stuff we'll do it
on on the iPad okay

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all right public address Mr Martins
anybody on public address here no sir Mr

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chairman
okay all right items uh

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7A presentation of Williams Company
Southeast Supply enhancement project Mr

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Smith thank you Mr chairman um I think
we've got the folks from Williams here

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come on forward if you can um you guys
know about you m are you you know it but

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you had heard it in a while about the
big pipeline coming down from up North

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through right almost through the middle
of the state here running right by our

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area and these folks want to want to
update you on kind of the progress of

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the project so invite them here for
Thursday morning meeting how are you

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good morning Podium right there please
yep thank you good morning Commissioners

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thank you for your time um forward
backward thank you so uh my name is Kyle

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Tarpley uh I'm a community and Outreach
specialist with Williams um and I'm here

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to tell all of you today about our uh
proposed project plans um for the

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southeast Supply uh enhancement project
um it is a um this is sorry this is

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Williams footprint um I think you all
are pretty familiar with the Transco

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pipeline that runs through the area um
it has been um in service moving um

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volumes of gas um since the uh
1960s um this project um is meeting

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demand for affordable energy in Virginia
and the Carolinas as well as um Georgia

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and Alabama um the proposed project is
an expansion of our existing system

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uh the way we are moving this additional
volume is through looping uh which is

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laying pipeline next to our existing uh
pipeline Corridor so the impact to land

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owners and uh Land Resources is minimal
um as well as in uh

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increasing uh compression at our
existing compressor stations um along

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the line in Davidson we have one in
Lexington um that's uh we refer to that

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as station 155 that's on Becky Hill Road
um I got a question for you as we go is

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this refined gasoline is that what we're
moving no it's natural gas natural gas

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yeah dry natural gas um the same that
you might use to um to if you have a gas

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stove or um uh you know hot water
heating um the expansion uh will provide

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reliable um and um cost efficient gas um
to to the footprint um because we are an

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interstate pipeline um any changes to
our system are regulated by the Federal

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Energy Regulatory Commission uh we just
just last week um filed our what's

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called a 7c application um to um to uh
continue on with the development of this

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project uh we work not only with Federal
Regulators but um State as well so uh we

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would need to work with the ncdeq on um
water quality and air permitting as well

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and I have a a slide on that um later on
um this project will add approximately

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1.6 million decms of gas um to our
system we have uh a lot of customers in

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the Carolinas primarily Duke and uh
pedmont who have come to us and said we

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we need more gas we need you to develop
a project to bring it um to our service

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area so that's what this uh project is
hoping to deliver

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on um this is the project map um
throughout the its entire footprint um I

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have I think I have a map for Davidson I
do um so as you can see it's quite um

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quite a large Geographic footprint
um for our company but that the whole

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Blue Line you see is just a piece of our
Transco pipeline that runs from South

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Texas up to New York so as I said
earlier it's we've been here we've been

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operating here we we hope we are good
neighbors and good stewards and we will

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continue to to to be so throughout the
development and hopefully execution of

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this
project um the North Carolina and then

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Davidson County specific scope of work
um is um 28.4 miles of pipeline looping

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um in this County it would be about 10
miles of of pipeline going in again as I

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said it was next to our existing right
of-way Corridor so we are you know we're

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not go it may be land that has not been
touched but it is within our right of

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way so we're not you know clearing
virgin land excuse me to um to to

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accomplish this um and then we are also
um undertaking upgrades to existing

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compressor stations in Davidson and ell
so um in Davidson um the up upgrades to

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the compressor station would be adding
three new low emitting turbines gas

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fired turbines at the station there have
been separate projects that we have

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undertaken at this station um to also um
undertake significant emissions

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reductions so it is not a part of the
southeast Supply enhancement but the

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company has undertaken work to um to
um retire um Legacy reciprocating uh

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engines and replace them with um modern
state-of-the-art uh turbin so what

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you'll be seeing at um at station 155 is
the culmination of of two different

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projects it would be our emissions
reductions uh program um which as I said

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retired those old uh engines and then if
this project is approved we would be

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adding three new turbines um we do not
need additional land um beyond our our

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fence line our property line uh with the
except of probably temporary

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construction workspace but we don't need
to acquire additional land to um

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accomplish the goals of this
project um so a little bit about our

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project schedule and permits um we
initiated our the pre-filing process

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with FK um in the beginning of this year
that's an opportunity it's it's a it's

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an elective uh process um for the
company to to get um to get feedback

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from local communities from land owners
um from opposition um uh and it it

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allows us to have um an open dialogue
with FK and participating agencies

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before we enter the 7c process so uh we
undertook that for nine nine or 10

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months out of this year um I'm sure
several of my colleagues have had um

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conversations I believe with the county
manager um before this so the company

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believes strongly in ongoing dialogue
and ongoing information exchange with

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our stakeholders and so you know we've
we've touched you before I'm here today

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and I I want to you know um make a
commitment that um this is an what I

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hope is an ongoing conversation
throughout throughout um our schedule

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and permitting um
Milestones um so as I mentioned we filed

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our application with FK uh just last
week um and that will kick off a a very

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thorough um environmental review that
that FK will undertake um they will

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examine uh the impacts of our project
the cumulative impacts of other

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infrastructure projects in the area not
just Federal but local as well um and

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they uh we expect that they will issue
um their final environmental impact

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statement um so you know everything that
the project might might bring to bear on

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on Water and Air resources um by the end
of next year

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um due to a a regulatory uh rehearing
process where um interested parties can

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challenge FKS um decision there is a
little bit of a delay in between when um

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FK issues our order and when
construction can begin so that's why

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there is a a gap in the in that in the
quarters of 2026 um and then hopefully

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the project is placed into service by um
the 4th quarter of

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2027 in terms of mobilization and and
construction impacts in the area you're

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not going to see anything until until
that third quarter of

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2026 um the major permits that we need
to apply for um in in the state include

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um uh the section 401 uh Clean Water Act
uh water quality certificate from ncdeq

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as well as um two air permits for
station 155 and station 150 um we expect

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that those will be um there minor
modifications uh according to ncdeq so

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it is a new source minor new source
review uh I do not know if there are

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public comment periods associated with
that but if there are we would be um we

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would um be happy to work work with you
to let you know that we would be back in

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the area um around that um that comment
and hearing

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time um just want to reiterate that um
while we are expanding um and increas

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expanding the volume of gas and
increasing the horsepower coming through

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that station uh because of the prior
work that Erp emissions reductions

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program work that we undertook and this
proposed work um the it's significant

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emissions reductions from um our what's
called a a potential to emit um in terms

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of nox and uh CO2 um so while there is
an increase in Horsepower uh we have

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taken steps to make sure that we are
limiting our impacts on the air

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shed um I did want to just take a little
bit of a um a you know moving away from

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just the project and talk more about um
some of the economic uh impacts um

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especially in this County uh that yall
can expect um this is just so this is a

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it's a 1 point I think it's a 1.5
billion investment from the company uh

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but in this County alone the total
capitalized investment um is expected to

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be over $34 million um about 130 million
of that comes from material and

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procurement expenses within the county
and another 175 million comes from

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construction and development costs I got
a quick question also said Casey this

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one's for you is this a taxable U uh
item that she's talking about I'm not

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sure I'll need to check uh we have
numbers I don't have them at hand but we

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have numbers that we can share with you
it's um there there's also um later on

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there's uh there's one time local tax
revenue benefit of that and that is I

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think that is that is from uh this uh
capital investment David would this be

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something you guys can check on to see
about property tax I think it might

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tax yeah okay all right excuse me I got
to ask as we go Okay so it's a good

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question thank you well While We're
stopped may I ask is this station 150

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and our you said 55 and 150 is 150 in
our area no 150 is in ell ma'am okay

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yeah thank you uh well close by um so um
the the economic impact um you know what

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kind of jobs y'all might expect to um
you know have in the area we're assuming

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a 12month construction schedule um and
so is estimated

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um that there would be 251 construction
jobs uh with about 40% of that coming

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from the local Workforce um $2.7 million
in wages and benefits and then an

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additional $9 million um in economic
output so that is all of the the extra

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the ripple effect of um the construction
um Workforce presence um in the county

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um and then um the the fiscal impact um
what y'all can expect to you know take

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um is um uh again this is um this is
anticipated um 3 million in a one-time

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local tax revenue and that's from those
material and construction costs and um

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then an ongoing $1 million in annual

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revenue that is that is what I have
question questions Mr chairman all right

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Mr shers has got a couple questions
thank you ma'am for that presentation

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can you go back to your uh I think did
one of those Maps uh did

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it go look at water or of that stuff I
don't guess any of them did uh a couple

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of them
maybe are you crossing water at any

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point here or um in Davidson um I I do
not know the answer to that I can get I

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I can get you that answer we do have a
few uh watersheds that we are going

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through do you know which ones they are
um the banister which I believe is more

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in Rockingham County um and the Dan
River

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up there

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too and those um those methods of
Crossing um we usually uh we have to

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assess the geologic feasibility of it
but we typically um under under Rivers

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do what's called horizontal directional
drilling uh so you know we we like bore

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down underneath the riverbed far enough
below for safety and then come back up

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the other side that is a very long
process C it's a lot longer than just um

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trenching pipe in in uh in open ground
um but we have um we have a history of

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doing it and doing it well um and we
don't undertake that process without a

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lot of um feasibility and um evaluation
on the front end okay and and my um my

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other question is you said you you were
looping

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so I'm assuming what you're saying is
for Layman you're putting in a bigger

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pipe
that is uh uh upgraded and and better

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for the environment are you taking the
old one down no so um you're going to

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have both of them running so we'll have
in this area we what um we actually have

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three what we call Main lines we have
three main lines right now and we would

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be laying a fourth one parallel to those
three okay and you are right that is a

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larger diameter pipe but the other ones
will stay in existence the other ones

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will stay in existence um you know as as
I mentioned at at the the beginning um

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our our system our the Transco system is
is at capacity um but we are an open

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system so if a a a customer like Duke
comes to us and says you know we would

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like you to develop a project uh to move
you know a x volume of gas for us we we

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have to we have to develop it and and
and try to permit it for you know for

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that customer once we have agreements in
place with them um so um that you know

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the these three lines are already moving
all the gas they can and that's why we

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need the fourth okay so when you say
looping does that mean that it's it's

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it's circling it's not circular no it's
just um it's just circular I mean the

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the products moving
continuously in in the lines well it it

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is it it will be it'll be constant flow
of gas but it's it it could either flow

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north or south um part of not not in
Davidson but part of the um our uh

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what's our projects scope in um in
Alabama and Georgia is actually um to

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we're not putting in new pipe but we are
um making modifications to change the

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way that those pipes can flow currently
um they're flowing uh uh north um but

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because there's so much gas coming from
the marcelis uh we have a need to be

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able to have uh some gas come south from
you know West Virginia and Pennsylvania

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down to markets um in the Gulf Coast the
gas here is is staying here we have

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customers all along on our footprint not
just Duke we have municipalities in

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Georgia and Alabama who who are taking
small deliveries of gas um so it the

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this really is this is not a um a Market
expansion this is a a a local

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distribution um you know like like it is
a local customer demand um Expansion

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Project but we do need to be able to
have our pipe flow north and south I got

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you I just I'm going
work but I'm good you got anything Mr

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yeah
for not a question but I'd like to thank

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you uh energy Independence for all of
our nation is number one on our priority

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and uh after the most recent election we
know that there's going to be an uptick

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in production here so we support y'all
1,000% we hope that you're adding more

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lines to go through where we can be
energy independent here in the United

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States of America thank you for what
you're doing if it can drive down and

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provide gas to um I mean our countyy is
growing heads over Tails so we're going

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to be needing more capacity too so thank
you for what you're doing I think y'all

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have done a tremendous job thank you
thank you for your time I got one other

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question these turbines that you say you
upgrading to do you have a picture of

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those or can you give us I don't but I
can I I can certainly find a model like

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there um because it's hard to read on
this map here um but there we employ

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different models from different um
companies um solar is one um so I'm sure

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I could I'm sure I could um ask our
engineering team for you said this is a

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a wind turbine is that no no no gas
fired well okay gas fired but there's no

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so is it set in the ground under the
ground so um the the so the the turbines

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are uh will be like enclosed in a in a
building um I actually I have renderings

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that I will I will leave um okay with
you if I may please um and to show you

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what the existing site looks like and
then what you can expect it to look like

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um when construction is complete um but
these are you know these are these are

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large large engines that are housed in
you know um steel sided buildings and

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then they are connected to um you know
valving and piping underground I go you

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okay all right yeah if you don't mind
sharing that chairman look something

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like that yeah like
it yeah I'd like to see the size and

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that kind of thing they are not they are
not small sir but um but I I I think

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you'll with I think the renderings will
help and then um um you so you'll not

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you'll not see the turbin from the
street you'll just see the the building

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and I guess they soundproof and not very
they're sound attenuated um and the

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newer models that we are using um
definitely have um uh better deciel

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levels than than than the old ones that
we had to retire so it'll be quieter

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than the ones that's there now they they
should be um also because we are

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federally regulated FK has a decel level
um that that we are required to achieve

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from the nearest noise sensitive area
and the way that that is Def a noise

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sensitive area is usually um measured
from our fence line not from the not

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from the building but from our fence
line to I don't know what the number of

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feet is I I can't recall but you know
500 feet 1,000 feet you know from that

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fence line we are determining what the
the decibel level is we will be um we

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usually do I don't want to I'm fairly
certain that we will undertake um pre

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and post post construction noise studies
um if we are not doing that um I will I

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will let you know um but that's a that's
a very typical practice that we

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undertake especially with with new um
this isn't a new site but new um new

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infrastructure at an existing site um so
that there should not be a perceptible

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difference in the noise coming from that
station and you said that's a f decimal

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it's a it's a it's a firk um FK puts
that uh that requirement on us and 55

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ibles is just a little bit louder than
the hum of your refrigerator 55 is that

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the um that's the F that's the FK limit
if you don't mind send that information

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to Debbie and Debbie pass that along to
Jason because I got some other thought

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processes uh I think we're thinking in
the same same direction

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yeah okay all right there no other
questions uh thank you very much good

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presentation anything else you needed
from from them I I seem to mention

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something about a letter of support for
a resolution resolution or something of

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that nature well I mean if if if you're
so moved um we have had um certain

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counties and other Footprints of this
project um offer suppor of resolutions

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um uh about the project and about the
benefits in in their County um and um

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they have been posted to the the FK
docket which is like the the public

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record for the project um if if that is
something um that you would even

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consider um we could we could Supply
draft language for that if you don't

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mind is that something is that be good
with me I don't you can we have a

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meeting next Tuesday night if you can
get it to me in a template and I'll let

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out and take a look at it okay yes we
can do that thank you all right thank

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you thank you very much U next item on
the agenda 7B discussion installing

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microchip scanning stations for lost
pets Mr chairman before I do that M Paul

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if I can just a real quick can I move
ask that the board move 9h up for this

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discussion real quick Heather hedrick's
here from day Martin I think she's got

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to leave it's not I think it'll be a
terribly long item we can please okay

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we'll move that item up um and I think I
can walk you guys through it um

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Partners has a remaining balance ofe
money of $279,000 that didn't get draw

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down I guess over last year or the year
before something of that nature anyway

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it's available to us to use for mental
health services Trish and I got together

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with uh uh with them to get their kind
of blessing for adding basically two

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more staff members to do crisis
management helping an ass assisting in

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areas we know we got problems with you
know uh permanency planning and child

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welfare so it's it' be a one- time use
of the funds last for a year to use the

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279 to add staff and the operating that
goes along with it if you guys are okay

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it's not coming through your books it's
money you've already give that they have

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on their side if that makes sense I
would ask that the board entertain

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partners and daymart working together to
amend their agreements to provide this

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service for okay what number was that
case 9 78

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okay so this is um this is Partners
money no it's you know you guys give

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them money every year so it's your money
and that's why I'm asking you for

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permission your permission because I
don't feel like you know you guys in

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charge of where it goes but remember
it's for mental health services we gave

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it to them for that so I kind of got
with them on the front end and said with

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this type of service be okay and they
agreed and said yes it's fine so um I

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talked to them about opioids a little
bit and that couldn't get kind of the

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opioid part covered with um tied unless
it's all for mental health does that

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make sense so I'm okay with this cuz you
guys know we kind of you know we need to

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beef up our our service area down there
in permanency planning and child welfare

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anyways so is this something TR you want
to explain maybe what

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um is this somebody that's going to be
working through you and maybe we talked

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about this at the DSs meeting I don't

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know
together so so um when when I've talked

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to the board both DSS and this board um
you hear from me the uh case loads have

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increased the complexity of the cases
the situations families find themselves

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in are often above um and Beyond the
scope of what my staff can handle

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because of mental health drug use um and
so in talking to Billy and Heather and

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the folks at
Daymark um when this money became

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available through partners because it
had not been spent um from the county

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mou we talked about adding staff who
would be um DSS house but Daymark staff

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they would go out with DSS staff on
initiating reports and when families are

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escalated when there's mental health
they would be there to help and then

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after we leave um or even while we're
still there they would visit the family

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and if dayar has Services they can
provide they would sort of add those

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services to the family or help us
connect the family to other services and

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we feel that this will help potentially
keep some children out of foster care um

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and help our families move along and
we've had some very very difficult cases

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so with the support of the clinical
staff and and um Partners called it more

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of a community outreach sort of
extension kind of program but it is a

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definite partnership and then if Daymark
has um if the staff that's working with

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us doesn't have the capacity or the
ability to fully serve then Daymark has

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other services that we can link to and
we feel like that will be a really good

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benefit for our fam so is is this going
to be money that you'll see that it

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draws down from and if they don't use it
I mean it it's 279,000 for a year I here

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right all right Partners is adding the
money to Daymar contract and we will

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together monitor it and if there are
services that we could expend the money

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on that let's say we haven't expended
all the money then Billy and Heather

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they're committed to to making sure that
but they they could be credits too

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though if they don't use all the money
right and it could roll over roll over

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so it can roll over Partners I I'm not
sure if there will be any money left but

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I believe we talked about it did not
have to be because we're almost through

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this year right so there may be some
rollover um and partners was willing to

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do that um we've worked with Jackie
Copeland when uh Casey and I met with uh

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the CEO they were very supportive of
this and other lmes do similar things

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and so if it's successful we might be
able to like have a program that

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partners then provides you know outside
of what we already do right so this this

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starts this started in
July well no it hadn't started yet but

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the money would have started in July is
that what I'm well I'm not sure yeah I'm

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not sure how it came about they had
money available it's it could have been

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from the past and it's it's multiple
years worth of funds that somehow didn't

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get draw down if that makes sense I got
you we thought it was tied to a bill and

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Trish went through all our bills and we
we talked to them about it when they

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came and said are you sure there wasn't
a bill that didn't get paid that you now

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we found no they went through their
books and said no this is 279 is

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available and I said okay well then you
guys are owed cuz you gave the money

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right to declare what you would like to
put it to that's why we're here this

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morning so that's a that's a great
question from the chairman does this

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money go until the calendar year or the
fiscal year like he was talking about it

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would it would go until it runs out so
if it stretches across the fiscal year

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it doesn't matter it's going to go till
the 279 is gone we anticipate it being a

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12-month process that makes sense I mean
it may bleed into 15 months or something

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of that nature I mean do we know what
the charge is for these folks here that

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you're wanting to so in your packet I
believe you have a budget and so they

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they've laid out the salary they expect
to pay that person Plus benefits and so

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um I don't have that budget in front of
attached to the but um so there that is

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the charge plus they've um committed to
Daymark has committed to some after hour

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support so you see that in so it's not
quite two positions but it gives us

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almost 247 coverage and typically um
when we were talking it could take up to

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four people to do this right because
you're doing

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24/7 but they're committing to using
their existing programs to continue to

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support us so we're really getting a
bargain um at

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1.8 position so we feel really good
about this and I know um when I talked

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to to Billy working through the process
I think it's going to be good for the

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community as
well okay

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so the
176 you're saying divide that into two

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so we're looking at
88,000 per person plus and that's the

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you know the benefits too well the
employee benefit start is on the next

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line so yeah I guess it would be well I
think that includes some supervision so

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it's probably 1.8 but those people need
some supervision and if it so clinicians

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you've got staff cases so there's going
to be some administrative so it may we

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actually may get more than
1.8 out of that salary am I saying that

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right you are right so I don't want to
all these Physicians will have to be

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clinically supervised these folks will
have to have a clinical supervisor on

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call
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to an after hours call and one of our
staff members is going out if they have

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a clinical question they have to have a
licensed person that they can be able to

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staff that case with to come up with a
plan of action so because this is going

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to be a 247 service where we're going to
make ourselves available to Trish and

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her team whenever they need so that they
have a partner and somebody who can

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actually go out with CPS when you guys
get these late night calls it is more

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um cost uh more cost because of the 247
coverage and the need to have the

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availability of a qualified license
staff who can provide support to that

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staff we want to provide quality care
and make sure that those clinical

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decisions are made timely quickly and by
an appropriate staff

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person if I may Mr chairman I may be
confused here and what

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I'm seeing but it says crisis it says
admin on call

417
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:49,599
75,000 and then Crisis Care manager so
both of these are the what I'm seeing

418
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:54,200
and what I'm understanding is the two
positions that you would be adding to

419
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:59,400
Daymark would be two supervisors not
staff people no there will be two staff

420
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:07,880
people who will have to be
supervised where I can see the licensed

421
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:13,240
staff so we we call um the like um their
case managers or care managers they're

422
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:18,040
not really supervisors that's their
title but they manage a case so that's

423
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,400
why they're called
managers is that what you're looking at

424
00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:27,559
yes where it says Crisis Care manager
yeah so that is a crisis care social

425
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:31,960
worker staff person but the title is
care manager or care coordinator we have

426
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,799
case
managers it's just the term it's really

427
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:43,119
not a supervisor or manager as we would
think of it in like supervision would

428
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:47,359
that be accurate
J well a big part of that is overtime

429
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,960
that's what you're see if you look to
the right you see that's what Heather's

430
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:54,520
talking about since you're getting
24hour coverage that the 176 is builing

431
00:52:53,520 --> 00:53:02,559
in
overtime and that was my because we do

432
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:07,880
so much um we have so much um emergent
need after hours we're

433
00:53:04,839 --> 00:53:13,599
seeing very very difficult cases
children with um you know brain brain

434
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:19,680
damage I mean there's been a lot of
physical and and there's just been a lot

435
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:23,960
going on in our community so these
positions will help staff and the

436
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:28,319
families when we go out and see these
crisis situations

437
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,520
like everything else I just want to make
sure we track it okay and make sure

438
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:37,280
we're getting a good bang for a buck
absolutely I mean if this person's only

439
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:42,680
going out once every two months then
well they would be house with us so the

440
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:48,680
intent would be um they may not go out
on every call if we get a h a call

441
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:54,760
that's let's say a dirty house um we
would not um probably partner with them

442
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:59,760
but then we would maybe have them go
with us on a pery planning cas where a

443
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:03,880
foster child is having an issue or the
foster parent is struggling with some

444
00:54:01,799 --> 00:54:09,440
behaviors of the foster child so they
will support all of gel welfare um but

445
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:13,040
we will ask them to go out on those
really really difficult when we get a

446
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:18,799
call and we're like oh my gosh we really
need some support and that so it will be

447
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:24,359
a multi factored
um process they won't go out with every

448
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:27,000
CPS you will track it for us then and
let us yes we will make sure that we

449
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:32,480
come up with
um reporting or what sort of

450
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:36,359
reporting or something so our staff do
day sheets and we could do something

451
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:40,040
like that so we know what what kind of
usage because you saying this may be

452
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:46,559
something that's needed in the future so
we need to see if it's something that's

453
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:51,920
uh for sure beneficial my concern is you
know that just the math is technically

454
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:57,799
not math and for me cuz when you take
the the 176 and I know that includes the

455
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:02,720
overtime but you know despite that it's
like 88,000 I know you've got 75,000

456
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,400
over here but then the benefits package
that's almost

457
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:11,559
19,000 a little bit over a person um
you're looking at over 100,000 per

458
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:16,640
position we want to make sure that these
positions are doing what they need to do

459
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:21,240
uh we we push that to our employees that
hey look at your total benefit P benefit

460
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:24,520
package that's what you make a year so
if these individuals are making over 100

461
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:28,319
Grand a year then we want to make sure
that they they're being used ad quately

462
00:55:26,839 --> 00:55:36,000
and we can track what they're needing to
do um just that's just for me uh may I

463
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:39,039
say something sir yeah go ahead okay
okay I think I think what this is going

464
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:45,079
to
help knowing what our social workers do

465
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:51,680
and and that's one of their complaints I
think uh is that they have so many cases

466
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:58,240
you know and having to do these cases
overnight you know it gets to be a a

467
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:04,280
very difficult job so this could be
additional help for them as well would

468
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:08,839
you wouldn't you agree so these folks
would not be initiating reports because

469
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:13,599
they're not DSS staff but they would be
supporting and providing both I I think

470
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:17,799
the support to the social worker because
they have a buddy to go out with but

471
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:25,039
also to the family which again
alleviates some of the heavy burden on

472
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:29,760
the social worker and when when we can't
be there because our loads we're we're

473
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:34,400
some cases we're required to be there
once weekly but sometimes that's not

474
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:40,440
enough when a family is in crisis and
we've got somebody who's using drugs or

475
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:45,000
having Mental Health crisis that once a
week contact for an hour with their

476
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:49,640
social worker is not enough so this
position will provide that additional

477
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:55,960
support to the families and again we
hope that it will limit or help us avoid

478
00:56:53,480 --> 00:57:01,839
kid more kids coming in fost cuz we have
almost 210 children in foster care we

479
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:06,559
have increased tremendously since July
so we are hoping that this will really

480
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:11,920
help sort of manage some of those things
so we don't have to jump immediately to

481
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:15,440
filing a petition for coming into foster
care yes with the amount of money that's

482
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:20,400
been
allocated that's been allocated how how

483
00:57:18,359 --> 00:57:26,000
long do you expect this to to
last I think the budget is for a year so

484
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:32,720
we're we're hoping it will last the full
year year um and I think that will be up

485
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:37,520
to um us Daymark and us to make sure
that hey our overtime budget is more

486
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:43,079
than we projected or those are things
that we'll have to manage so we will

487
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:48,520
keep um very close eyes on it and
Heather and her team already track the

488
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:52,839
case management work so they've got
tracking systems so I feel really

489
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:58,520
comfortable and we can add like a day
sheet or something like that for us so

490
00:57:55,839 --> 00:58:06,240
that we can also see sort of daytoday
what they're doing your opinion Trish do

491
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:12,799
you see that the a program such as this
could work against the foster care

492
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:17,280
program that we have by uh someone
there's a reason you take a child and

493
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:21,920
put them in foster care but by looking
at that child and saying we we'll let

494
00:58:19,799 --> 00:58:28,799
them stay in this right here and end up
being a dangerous situation for the

495
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:34,760
child no no so the we would never um if
the if we go out I mean if the situation

496
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:39,319
requires removal it requires removal and
we would not say oh we're going to put a

497
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:44,440
Band-Aid on it um but what we're hoping
is that there are some situations that

498
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:48,440
had we had a little more support we
could have

499
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:53,400
avoided taking custody it wasn't so
severe that we had to do an immediate

500
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:59,119
removal but it was severe enough that
that family needed some services and had

501
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:03,799
we been able to put those earlier on we
may have saved a child from having to

502
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:08,839
come into foster care sometimes it's
parents not knowing how to manage the

503
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:13,280
child's Behavior because it's so
difficult traumatizing to the other

504
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:17,240
siblings in the home or the parents they
just don't have the capacity or they

505
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:21,359
don't know how to access their Medicaid
benefits or they don't know how to

506
00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:26,760
access the care coordination system and
so this will help I think sort of take

507
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:31,880
their hand and walk walk them through
the process so I do think it's going to

508
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,880
be a good thing I really do it's not
something my staff have time to do with

509
00:59:33,799 --> 00:59:40,319
the volume of work I I got a quick
question what what will these folks be

510
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:45,680
able to do since they're not DSS
employees so what what kind of um

511
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:50,000
communication can they have with the
families what what what would be the

512
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:54,240
guidelines that that these folks would
would be able to do from what I hear the

513
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:59,280
family can get support from this person
too correct yes okay okay so what would

514
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:05,520
be the parameters of so I mean they
can't initiate reports but they would be

515
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:09,559
um with us when we do and they would be
able to I'm not talking about when they

516
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:14,400
with you I'm talking about when they're
not with when they're not so they can so

517
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:20,680
when we go out that let's say the family
needs to link up with mental health

518
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:24,440
services this person would exit us and
then start working with the family even

519
01:00:22,359 --> 01:00:28,960
when we're not there they would help get
them um service they would go out and

520
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:33,960
talk to them maybe it's just somebody to
talk to they would do some clinical work

521
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:37,079
and Heather can speak more to that but
they can do the full gamut of what

522
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,799
dayart
provides

523
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:48,000
and some of what we do connecting them
with other services and probably spend

524
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:51,160
more time with families transporting
there yeah I'm trying to think of all

525
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,000
the things there's there's a lot
there'll be a lot of opportunity for us

526
01:00:53,960 --> 01:01:00,000
to be flexible to meet the needs of the
individual families and what their needs

527
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:04,240
are but you can think of this as the
glue so these folks will kind of be the

528
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,359
glue to help make sure that they stick
to the plan that DSS has outlined for

529
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:13,520
them which because of the staffing
issues is really hard for your staff to

530
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:17,799
do right now so we will be the glue to
make sure that this person does follow

531
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:21,240
through and get that clinical assessment
follows through with the recommendation

532
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:25,680
to go to detox follows through with
getting therapy in place making sure

533
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:30,119
that they're using all of their Medicaid
Ben benefits appropriately those are all

534
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:35,000
things that we can do to ensure that
again they're sticking to that plan so

535
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:39,680
that those kiddos can remain outside of
the foster care

536
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:43,839
system okay any other questions I've got
one

537
01:01:40,359 --> 01:01:49,319
more what happens when the funding Runs
Out is that something that when when

538
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:53,760
when the funding Runs Out are are we are
we looking to fund this because I've got

539
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:58,279
an issue and and it's nothing against
that I love Daymark I absolutely love

540
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:05,119
what y'all do but here's the
deal our DSS program is taking on water

541
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,760
and we're trying to save and help our
employees that are overworked and

542
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:14,160
overstaffed and I know we've got this
money but this is a temporary fix to

543
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:18,359
something that as the board we need to
look at if we need these folks if we

544
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:22,039
need those Services I'd rather be
putting that money towards a service to

545
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:27,200
where we can communicate like uh the
chairman said wholeheartedly you know

546
01:02:24,839 --> 01:02:31,559
with these families and and not have to
need the function of maybe another

547
01:02:29,279 --> 01:02:37,079
service just to keep us to where we can
run adequately you know I I want that to

548
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:43,440
where we can do it and support you
internally so I'm concerned once the

549
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:47,960
funding's out we're paying for all of
this moving forward and if we're going

550
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:52,359
to pay for all this moving forward then
we need to look at it you know obviously

551
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:56,640
if it's temporary and we can build a
budget behind you and help you out

552
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:04,480
that's one thing but I've got concerned
with once the money runs out so we built

553
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:11,960
this program as a pilot for us and um I
think I I said other lmes via and some

554
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:16,319
of the other lmes are doing some this
but we already have a case manager

555
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:21,400
embedded who's focused primarily on
placement and ccas and there you know

556
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:26,880
we've got the case manager who's helping
the the jails the

557
01:03:23,279 --> 01:03:31,720
schools um there may some partnership
there that once we're better staff that

558
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:36,640
we could morph some of these into that
existing position or is so successful

559
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:41,440
that we can present to Partners that
we'd like to continue it I do not

560
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:46,720
foresee that we're I it will be up to
daymart but I personally did not go into

561
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:51,000
this to say this is another program that
I'm going to ask the Board of

562
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Commissioners to to fund so we're we're
trying to do it the with this and it's

563
01:03:53,400 --> 01:04:01,799
going to help us out now but it may
build enough capacity that partner sees

564
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:06,799
that it could be successful and and want
to continue

565
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:10,520
it in our County and other counties 104
that's all I have Mr chair okay well

566
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:15,000
let's see how successful yall can make
it and if you would I'd like to see a

567
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:21,359
report in about 6 months to uh the
manager and uh so we can kind of see how

568
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:25,559
this pilot programs working so we can
tease out those details the two of us

569
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:29,720
and we got to get to hiring that's right
okay okay thank you that's the problem

570
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:34,359
you hire somebody for this and then you
got to stop it then there's people

571
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:37,839
without jobs you know we always find
something for to do we always find

572
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,839
something we can always use people
absolutely no worries about that all

573
01:04:40,279 --> 01:04:45,799
right thank you'all for your time this
morning thank you thank

574
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:50,240
you you all are good with putting that
on the agenda

575
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:54,200
for this is more of a common consent now
this won't be a negotiation for us this

576
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:57,640
will be between Daymark and partners so
if if you guys are okay with it I mean

577
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,760
I'm glad to give Partners the green
light to have that conversation with

578
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:04,279
dayar there's nothing for the board to
approve in terms of an agreement or a

579
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,839
contract or unless we wanted the money
back and then we' well and even then

580
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:11,240
we'd have to turn around and uh well I'm
not sure how that would work either you

581
01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:14,760
know mean we give it to them for mental
health services so we try to bring

582
01:05:13,319 --> 01:05:17,400
commissioner Elliott's Point's valid in
the sense that we will have to decide

583
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:20,760
when this is over hence the reason why
we look at the stats is this something

584
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:24,400
we want to continue or not right now we
just got this one time money again

585
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:27,760
Partners I I want to give I want to do
want to say this real quick remember

586
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:31,920
this is in addition to the program that
they absorbed up where the state was not

587
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:36,079
going to supply for the jail management
uh the schools and things like that so

588
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:39,240
Partners albeit not right here in our
face all the time remember they're in

589
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:43,359
the background and they've done a good
job of taking on these these issues and

590
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:47,559
bringing them to us they came to me with
this now granted it's our money I got it

591
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:54,279
but they came to me and said hey we have
this available what would you like to do

592
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:59,720
soor Mr chairman are you aware we have
an emergency situation at the courthouse

593
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:05,119
with sewage and water today yes sir
right now i' I've been told that they're

594
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:09,200
looking at closing uh the courthouse
very soon and getting Disaster Response

595
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:13,200
Team there to clean it up you heard
anything about that case I have not I'll

596
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:17,480
find out probably need to yeah we need
to get on Casey whoever's telling you

597
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:29,680
okay we have somebody on the way right
now toilets okay okay Surly they uh

598
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:34,680
maybe few minutes but 104 thank you line
problem yes but I know where it started

599
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:39,079
in the L's
bathroom the

600
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:41,599
register all these ladies out no nobody
laughed or

601
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:49,640
anything the women's
restroom all right I thought I could get

602
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:53,960
a chuckle anyhow go on uh to microchip
scanning stations Casey if you thank Mr

603
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:58,599
chairman um Paula come on up with your
folks there um Paula Barkley's

604
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:02,240
affiliated with an organization you guys
are familiar with that helps us with our

605
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:06,599
span neuter you know you guys provide
those matching funds to help do the spay

606
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:11,200
and neuters and Paula came uh to me and
I think the chairman as well and asked

607
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:14,640
about doing these uh microchip stations
them funding them paying for them Etc

608
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:19,000
and putting them at locations in the
county one perhaps at the sheriff's

609
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:22,599
office building and one at the animal
shelter whe the where the citizen does

610
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:25,599
this themselves so I thought I'd bring
them for you this afternoon or this

611
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,599
morning let you talk let them talk to
about what they want to do and then we

612
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:34,920
can talk details after they're
done

613
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:38,799
yeah good morning I'm Paula barley
co-founder of Davidson County animal

614
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Alliance we are here this morning to
share with you a microchip scanning

615
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:49,559
station the station is a
collaboration between Davidson County

616
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:54,720
animal Alliance every snout counts of
the pedmont and Davidson County Animal

617
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:59,960
Control we are requesting permission
from you to locate one of the stations

618
01:07:57,279 --> 01:08:05,880
at the Davidson County Sheriff's Office
joining me are Robin Lindsay founder of

619
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:10,599
every snout counts officer Souls of
Davidson County Animal Control Mindy

620
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:17,759
Faircloth vice president of Davidson
County animal Alliance and Miss tidley

621
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:22,600
Winks who's going to be our chip scan
model should you find a stray dog or cat

622
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:28,960
in the county you would have access to a
microchip scanning station seven days a

623
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:33,600
week 24 hours a day the stations will be
strategically located at facilities that

624
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:38,799
are staffed Around the Clock like the
sheriff's department or fire departments

625
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:42,319
throughout the county the scan stations
are fully equipped with a scanner and

626
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:47,000
complete
instructions the stations will help lost

627
01:08:44,759 --> 01:08:53,000
pets with microchips find their way back
home quickly and safely without

628
01:08:49,960 --> 01:09:00,480
involving Animal Control veterinary
offices or the animal shelter

629
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:06,120
how do they work you ready kly Winks
happy to demonstrate kly Winks will

630
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:10,480
demonstrate all of you are welcome to
come down and practice scanning if you

631
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:10,480
would

632
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:27,080
like okay your SC out get
attached push the little power button in

633
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,080
the center

634
01:09:28,750 --> 01:09:34,840
[Music]

635
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:43,279
there it is it shows a number on the
screen you would scan this code with

636
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:46,759
your phone it takes you to a lookup
Center where you would enter this code

637
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:52,640
and it would give you the owner's
information so that the eliminate them

638
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:56,080
have to take the dog to the vent or to
the animal shelter to be scaned it's

639
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:03,600
eliminated
would youall like to try

640
01:09:58,390 --> 01:10:11,239
[Music]
it so this will be out there and anybody

641
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:17,440
can walk up to it and I'm try it and uh
and I I I see it's in there on a chain

642
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:22,600
and whatnot but do they have the ability
to it's the cop in but 30 some years of

643
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,000
doing this somebody will figure out a
way to cut this off and sell it for

644
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:32,040
something others
do they have that ability

645
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,800
at locations where there staff 247 such
as the Sheriff's Department police

646
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:40,120
department um or fire departments that's
why they would have to be located at

647
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:45,239
those places to prevent
vandalism

648
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:50,719
or
okay two of the places that you

649
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:56,000
mentioned Paula was the animal shelter
well we've already got scatters out

650
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:59,719
there we' that
vandalism issues or anything like

651
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:07,800
that have we talked with the sheriff to
see if he's successful it being placed

652
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:13,360
in sherff dep
okay okay have we also talked to like

653
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:18,560
Denton police department and Lexington
and Thomasville we have not done that

654
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:23,679
yet but we will so this is the only one
you're going to put in right now this is

655
01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:31,480
the only one we have right now the cost
is right at $400 for this as you see it

656
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:36,320
okay so we have to did you get SC so we
have to ra funds to purchase the

657
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:40,639
components and
assemble so I got a real quick question

658
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:47,040
I was just looking up on my phone do
they make an app that you can scan uh

659
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:54,320
microchips with from your
iPhone I just read it says they do so I

660
01:11:50,320 --> 01:12:00,440
don't probably the Apple Air tag um and
there I think there is app where you can

661
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:04,080
get the microchip number and put the
number in but you have to have something

662
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:08,520
to scan the microchip you would still
need this website you you still need a

663
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,000
scanner
right that's pretty cool could be like

664
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:16,560
say I was just thinking that'd be a
great idea for somebody to do an app

665
01:12:13,719 --> 01:12:23,000
need to invent an app for a phone yeah
just as just as recently as two weeks

666
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:27,400
ago my son's dog got loose and he was
picked up and the people down down

667
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:31,719
shelter called and said I got your dog
we just scanned him got your dog and we

668
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:36,159
do have scanners on our trucks now we're
on the shift we do scan before putting

669
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:39,679
them in the truck we've returned lot of
dogs back home just in the last two

670
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:44,520
months since we've gotten the microchip
scanners um we're trying not to over

671
01:12:42,639 --> 01:12:49,320
populate our already overpopulated
animal shelter right now so if it has a

672
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:53,080
scanner or if it has a chip and we scan
it and we get a hold of somebody and

673
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,600
their home we take them home we don't
even take them to the shelter anymore so

674
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:59,159
y'all just recently got scanners I would
have thought y would had scanners a long

675
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:05,000
time
ago that is pretty cool 400 400 a piece

676
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:11,560
that what you said well that whole setup
is $400 now the chip scanners we have in

677
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:16,239
our vehicles were around $35 $40 um I do
get calls all through the night um

678
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:21,480
citizens have figured out who I am and
somehow have gotten my Facebook or um

679
01:13:19,639 --> 01:13:25,440
tell cell phone numbers so I have people
in calling also all hours of the night

680
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:28,520
they'll bring a dog by my house house
can you just scan this dog for me so I

681
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:32,320
try to find the owner I can't take it
home the shelter's not open I have a dog

682
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:36,760
that's not going to get along with this
dog I want to desperately find the owner

683
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:40,960
um so I've had them as late as 1 and two
in the morning come by my house I get up

684
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:46,679
and I go scan them at my truck um I
don't mind however I'd like to sleep um

685
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:50,239
so this would provide that for the
citizens they wouldn't have right now

686
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:53,960
they can only go to the emergency clinic
in Wiston Salem so if their way out in

687
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:58,280
Denton they're taking them home well
then You' got a dog by

688
01:13:55,639 --> 01:14:01,600
because to their their dog and this dog
got to a fight trying to hold the dog

689
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:05,960
until the shelter open tomorrow so now
I'm doing a fight report and picking up

690
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:10,320
the dog and now the dog's get someone um
so hopefully would eliminate some of

691
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:15,159
that um I know was speaking with Sheriff
Simmons um the concern was somebody

692
01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:18,560
would dump the dog um that's another
reason we were trying to put them

693
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:23,600
somewhere we've got video camera or
someone that you know could be around so

694
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:26,960
if somebody does dump the dog um I feel
like if they have this available the

695
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:31,560
people that are picking up dogs right
now are not going and then dumping them

696
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:35,440
um they're trying to take them home but
at least with this they could scan and

697
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:40,000
hopefully that dog will going want to go
back home that night and then maybe we

698
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:44,080
prevent a dog fight if they go to
trouble to seek out one of those with a

699
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:49,120
dog they not certainly not going yeah I
like it I agree Sheriff Simmons is going

700
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:53,639
to tell you about do we have a place in
the Southern and the county Todd we

701
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:57,000
could put one in how B they are you know
that'd be up to the

702
01:14:57,719 --> 01:15:04,679
um well we don't have anything as far as
the county except the library and I'm

703
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:11,000
not so sure you want to scan I
like it is needed just about a week and

704
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:16,239
a half ago had a a dog come up to our
house and uh and we didn't know where it

705
01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:21,239
was at who it belonged to but we were
able to scan it it does work we located

706
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:26,960
the owner had it back to the owner in a
couple of days so we kept the dog until

707
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:31,560
we it till we figured out the scan I
didn't know about it but it works so you

708
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:37,600
say the scanners is only $35 that you
use on your truck one weight order for

709
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:42,320
our truck are um big the I tell you the
biggest expense is probably all the

710
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:46,120
hardare right now yeah I'm not talking
about that one I'm talking about the one

711
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:50,520
you having your truck $35 that's a very
inexpensive piece of equipment you know

712
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:53,880
ship shipping but I think it was maybe
I'd have to get the receipt but I think

713
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:57,920
they were like0 something dollars a
piece I can't believe we hadn't been

714
01:15:55,679 --> 01:16:00,880
scanning pets for years I that would
have saved us a lot of

715
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:10,080
work I love AK scan of quity

716
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:19,639
scann just a SC just sherff before you
leave what was you planning on placing

717
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,400
this at at the sheriff
department hadn't really thought about

718
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:28,760
it I was thinking about you know we
hadn't got there there yet but somewhere

719
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:34,280
in the parking lot there next to a
camera mhm cuz we do have

720
01:16:31,639 --> 01:16:39,159
video cameras and everything you're good
with it they're paying for it I don't

721
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:43,280
see uh I don't have any issue at all as
long

722
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:48,280
[Music]
as I'm all for that I am too I love

723
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:52,400
because I think the returns would be
would far out way the investment and I

724
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:56,760
like the idea of the fire departments
that are open 24 hours

725
01:16:55,320 --> 01:17:00,679
throughout the
county we can't give them permissions

726
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,159
for the fire department well no you have
to go to the fire departments but most

727
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:09,520
of them go for um maybe I don't why
can't we open that up to adopt a

728
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:14,199
microchip scanner and we can get a sign
made in memory of or an honor of like

729
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:18,880
they do the highway sign you know that
would kind of be a fundraiser that's

730
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:23,440
brilliant that is a great idea I would I
would do that that is brilliant that

731
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:26,840
whole thing and put it up somewhere that
that right there is brilliant

732
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:36,960
yeah I ain't ly I have a question about
chips and dogs how how how how many

733
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:42,440
people do you think actually have chips
so right now um when we go out and we're

734
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:45,600
picking up a dog and it gets returned
off say we have to go there for to check

735
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:52,920
to make sure they got already these
vacine done always run that large um I'm

736
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:59,000
telling them hey if you go pay the $25
to get your dog microchip if I pick this

737
01:17:55,480 --> 01:18:03,760
dog up I'm going to bring it home as
long as your radies is current I'm going

738
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:08,719
to bring it home if the rabies is not
current we then get with Robin here who

739
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:13,120
goes in the field with us every Thursday
on her own dime wow does Ries vac seines

740
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:18,320
for these people for
$7 so then that gets us kind of in with

741
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:22,960
them we get familiar with the dog we
make sure they've got a RAB vaccine and

742
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:27,159
if they're running around and we catch
them we bring them home set sa in a

743
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:31,840
little bit money and it sa the shelter
space from having house for three or

744
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:38,080
four days till trying to owner it's
really just by word of mouth but it's we

745
01:18:35,639 --> 01:18:42,960
are telling them each microchip I bring
home shelter does offer clins yeah two

746
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:46,760
or three times a year microchip clinics
for people can get them done for St if

747
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:52,490
you adopt from the shelter they're
microchipped right

748
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:52,490
[Music]

749
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:03,719
yes and I imagine with the once these
were to start appearing that more people

750
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:10,440
would have their dog microchip because
nowaday think he's got to go to vet or

751
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:14,600
he's got to go to the sh and Dr H we
just spoke yesterday um he's even

752
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:19,159
willing to let us um put one of these at
his office out there on CL gr Church

753
01:19:16,679 --> 01:19:24,920
Road um he did say that he is getting
ready to do a clinic um soon we've had

754
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:29,480
recent um cargo outbreak in in the
county in several houses um so he's

755
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:35,440
getting ready to do it Clinic where he's
going to try to suit like a microchip

756
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:39,280
day with the Ries and car vaccine to try
to get some of these people in there and

757
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:42,960
do like a little small package where you
know they're not make a whole lot of

758
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:47,040
money but at least he's helping get the
community vaccinated and then microchips

759
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:50,480
and then obviously we're pushing it too
when we pick those up or go for complain

760
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:54,520
about their dog running around the
neighborhood I'm starting to get some of

761
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:58,840
the ones but sometimes I think on be
like you again um but the ones that I

762
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:03,400
don't know that have a microchip is
definitely helpful for us and the

763
01:20:00,679 --> 01:20:08,239
shelter CU we don't have to CL them up
does those record and tell you how many

764
01:20:05,719 --> 01:20:14,199
scans and that kind of thing no
individual scan that's it

765
01:20:11,239 --> 01:20:18,080
yeah sounds like a good idea to me so
that's great as far as I'm concerned uh

766
01:20:16,679 --> 01:20:21,840
was the sheriff's good with it Sheri's
good with it yeah and his sheriff

767
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:27,360
department
and yeah seriously you will

768
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:31,320
know you need to get that information
out in the flyer so we can push it out

769
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:34,960
seriously so people can can do that
that's a great idea put it on your

770
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:39,840
website that people know put on our
website yeah that's tremendous tag in

771
01:20:37,239 --> 01:20:43,679
our website you thank you have a great
day before they go um and I had already

772
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:47,800
mentioned this to Paul and talked with
about Adam it's small I know ardale

773
01:20:46,199 --> 01:20:50,639
County uses these and I called them and
talked to them I don't think they've got

774
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:53,719
anything I thought about you know I'm
always thinking about the liability and

775
01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:56,400
things like that this located on our
property obviously it's it's going to be

776
01:20:54,920 --> 01:21:00,920
on our property it's going to be our
issue but you know is it worth having

777
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:04,520
something in posterity like a small
agreement that says you know if it

778
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:08,679
breaks or it falls apart this
organization is going to take care of it

779
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:13,560
Etc we'll try our best to I guess is
there way to Dem toy us as much as

780
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:18,040
possible Cas like or something just
something basic um so if the board's

781
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,800
amenable to that I can get Adam to draft
something up let you guys see it make

782
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:24,000
sure it's okay with you we'll bring it
forth on another another I think that

783
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:27,239
needs to be done because we have other
organization that may want to do

784
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,440
something right and years from now
something if it breaks and we're all not

785
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:34,239
here and everybody goes how did they pay
for this who's doing it nobody will

786
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:39,239
remember the story and then we'll know
at least what what happened will be

787
01:21:37,159 --> 01:21:44,719
responsible for installing it which
diing the hole quit creating it making

788
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:48,560
sure it's level keeping the batteries in
it and all that stuff we'll be

789
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:53,120
responsible for that Mr chairman to
Casey's point when and I spoke with

790
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:55,920
idell County as well they they didn't do
any kind of an agreement and the reason

791
01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:00,159
why they didn't is cuz they actually
purchased them so they put them at their

792
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:04,679
sites uh in the county so the county
owned them and and put them in there I

793
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,480
think we just do a just a license
agreement it's just just a license for

794
01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:13,520
them to place it there and then the
license agreement would have everything

795
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:17,960
have all the terms stated in it okay
that's sounds good thank you all good

796
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:21,840
job have a good day thank you thank you
by T WIS have a good

797
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:29,600
[Laughter]
day all right uh Mr M EMS request to

798
01:22:26,199 --> 01:22:29,600
purchase new cardiac

799
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:36,280
monitors how you want me to help you
start this and off before you get you

800
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:41,159
want me to help you before you get
started that's that's up to you if you

801
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:46,400
want to talk to i' had forgotten this
until I brought it to my attention it's

802
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:51,239
been six years now we bought uh cardiac
monitors in bulk and they've gone up

803
01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:56,080
substantially in price well we're at the
end of the six-year life cycle for the

804
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:59,880
ones we have so all this kind of got
brought up with the notion of what do

805
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:04,679
the current monitors collect in terms of
vital statistics for you know when

806
01:23:01,719 --> 01:23:08,560
they're out and um and 12 lead runs and
all those kinds of things currently now

807
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:13,719
they'll they'll store those in the cloud
if I'm wrong correct me if I'm wrong 12

808
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:18,520
leads will go to to the cloud um on Life
Net and then at the end of the call the

809
01:23:16,679 --> 01:23:24,000
medic is required for lack of better
word to push a button to push all the

810
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:27,600
other data that goes to ESO now
sometimes they lose their Wi-Fi

811
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:33,920
connection so then they have to remember
to come back and make sure it sends or

812
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:38,320
they call kayin our uh QA Qi uh lady
that does that stuff to make sure they

813
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:44,320
get that data currently on the 15s the
life pack 15s we have if that connection

814
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:50,320
isn't made it has a total capacity of
360 minutes of memory so it doesn't have

815
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:57,360
a whole lot whereas the new monitors the
LIF pack 35s they have they will keep 50

816
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:02,840
patient records in its memory and each
record is up to 12 hours long so if

817
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:06,840
there's a connection issue it'll hold it
there

818
01:24:03,719 --> 01:24:15,199
also every time the new monitor is cut
off it automatically sends all data to

819
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:19,120
both wife net and to ESO um if the
connection's lost they don't have to

820
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:23,120
remember to go back and make sure they
send it the next time it gets a

821
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:27,280
connection and when they cut it off
it'll automatically send that data

822
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:32,719
without them having to remember to do
that so it's got a lot of different

823
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:37,600
capabilities as far as data um I do know
that when I talked to my salesman Darren

824
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:42,320
he said that Wake County was looking at
the newer monitors because of the data

825
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:48,480
collection and the data retention as
well so but yes the the prices are

826
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:51,520
considerably more these are up these are
up for Renewal so the watch before you

827
01:24:50,199 --> 01:24:55,040
this morning is to ask you do you want
to buy and bulk again rather than just

828
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:59,360
keep trying to do them East Mill and I
also had out and we had a conversation

829
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:03,000
recently several of us about the uh the
automated stretch power stretch where

830
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:06,440
they can pick it up so I asked them to
get the quote for that as well if we

831
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:10,199
want to form those on every truck again
we've been doing those kind of Peace

832
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:15,239
mill on trucks here and there this would
K it all and close it out so it's a big

833
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:21,560
Bill but we were going to have to do the
six-year Cycles up yeah anyways well

834
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:26,440
as stretchers is going to help us on
workman's comp

835
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:31,560
in and Darren said he thought maybe we
that Rockingham got a break on the

836
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:35,239
warman's comp we did stuff when we when
they put the powerload so we now have

837
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:38,719
the automated stair chairs that will
climb up and down and then we add the

838
01:25:37,239 --> 01:25:43,440
stretchers it's probably going to reduce
our reoccurring workman's call workman's

839
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:47,480
comp cost so is this $1.2 million is
that what 1.5 if you throw in the

840
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:52,199
stretchers I've got a little bit better
of a break we got 1.2 but when we throw

841
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:57,159
it into stretchers they actually reduced
it to 1.1 on the monitor

842
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:02,040
and if you include the stretchers the
mounts the monitors and everything it's

843
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:08,840
1.5.37 the stretchers almost paid for
themselves Mr chairman after the

844
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:14,679
reduction in Insurance really MH that it
will drastically reduce our workman's

845
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:20,400
comp the stretch I you know used to when
I years ago when I was in firing EMS and

846
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:24,880
stuff you had guys that you know look
like me out here you know picking up now

847
01:26:23,119 --> 01:26:29,639
you've got a smaller stat
person a lot of lot of females and they

848
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:33,520
just can't pick a 400 lb person up and
put them in a when I started we picked

849
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:39,239
them up and put them in the trucks yeah
so and then they come out with the the

850
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:42,880
power lifts where they actually lift up
off the ground but you still had to hold

851
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:47,119
the back of the stretcher and let the
wheels come up and push it in so now

852
01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:51,400
there's the arms that comes out you just
push the stretcher up to it and the arms

853
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:55,560
hold it and you just push a button yeah
and pick the legs up and then you just

854
01:26:52,840 --> 01:27:01,560
push it in with your hands I I I think I
think personally seeing having seen them

855
01:26:58,119 --> 01:27:06,440
in in action and knowing what they do um
I think it's a a huge asset to the

856
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:12,760
county and it's going to saved us money
all the way around money

857
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:17,199
on it's going to save us money uh
through our uh insurance and everything

858
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:20,440
else so where do this money come from
Casey

859
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:23,639
that's you probably don't remember this
but when we did the budget we put up

860
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,239
some funds in contingency and I have to
get with t I ain't staring at it right

861
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:30,800
now remember it was it was the
difference in what we thought we're

862
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:35,119
always our debt service budget's always
going down but we took what we think we

863
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:38,040
going to have to do in a future
renovation on the jail and started

864
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,800
applying that different so we don't lose
it does that make sense so you don't

865
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:44,000
build a budget and then come up two or
three years from now and go we we got to

866
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,400
come up with all this money to build
this that's in there you don't have this

867
01:27:45,639 --> 01:27:51,600
money budgeted no I I do I got it in
contingency now that's one possible

868
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,719
place I think I would look to take it
from um just because you got in conting

869
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:59,080
don't mean you got it built in your
budget no it's in there it's already

870
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:02,199
budgeted but I you know I don't want to
have to use it this early in the game if

871
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:05,760
I don't have to but this is so important
and again I wouldn't be here before you

872
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:10,360
if I wasn't already at the end of the
six-year life cycle anyway so I'm I'm

873
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:14,400
already at the end and I kind of like
the automated 12 lead and vital stuff um

874
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:18,280
a little bit more than pushing the
button so while we're here anyway and

875
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:21,639
replacing them might as well buy them a
bulk get the discounts and then the

876
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:25,400
stretchers came up cuz several of us
were talking about this recently not

877
01:28:23,239 --> 01:28:30,119
long ago I I think a few few meetings
ago and so instead of doing them peace

878
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:34,400
Mill it's a good chance to go ahead and
try to get some discount and do the

879
01:28:32,679 --> 01:28:38,400
discounts they've worked out is before
December and then if we wait the next

880
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:43,480
budget year you're looking at somewhere
between 5 and 10% automatically a price

881
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:47,520
increase on all of this so they're
holding the prices to the next price

882
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:52,080
increase which comes sometime at the
latter part of the year and then then we

883
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:54,600
don't if we if we budget them next year
there'll be another price increase

884
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:59,840
unfortunately
out in the is there a reason and I'm

885
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:04,960
sure you've looked at all of it but you
look at zo is there I know Z are

886
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:09,000
expensive but I also know they have some
functions well we've already got you

887
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:12,520
know we've got everything from Striker I
mean we certainly could look at the

888
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:17,440
other products if if if we need to I
mean no I'm just asking D but we got

889
01:29:15,719 --> 01:29:20,920
maintenance contracts with Striker and
everything so we've got maintenance

890
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:26,320
contracts with our lucases they come
from Striker our stretchers come from

891
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:31,679
strier Striker and our monitor so it's
it's all from one one service okay so

892
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:36,600
what Casey you said a six-year lifespan
where does that come from where does the

893
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:41,920
six-year lifespan so they they said
they're six to seven years is end the

894
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:46,840
life on them we bought those in
2018 and so obviously you get new

895
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:51,199
software you get new technology the the
old life packs will only do 12 leads the

896
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:54,480
new ones will actually do 15 leads the
old ones would but you'd have to move

897
01:29:52,560 --> 01:30:00,440
the leads around so now you can look at
even more angles of the heart on the 35

898
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:04,440
you can look at 15 angles versus versus
12 so you can look some of the backside

899
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:08,960
of the stuff and they've got some more
benefits that that's more Diagnostics

900
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:14,840
with them got an automatic reader on it
too that yeah that's speak so the old

901
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:17,679
ones don't have automatic reader as far
as I don't know what you're saying about

902
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:23,119
what do you mean by automatic
commissioner sh Casey you and I were

903
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:28,199
talking about the heart monitor on that
at the ens you had manually Pro talking

904
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:32,280
automatic dat data
up automatically uploaded into the

905
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:35,600
everything goes to two different places
every time they don't have to worry

906
01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:39,040
about it they don't have to think about
it if they lose connection when they

907
01:30:37,239 --> 01:30:43,440
come back and somebody cuts it on and
off again it's going to send them if it

908
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:48,679
loses connection and it has a whole lot
more obviously a whole lot more memory

909
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:52,800
in the monitor itself so that if it does
lose that connection you can be assure

910
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:57,480
that it's going to be there next time
and how many years is that

911
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:00,080
retained the clouds indefinitely for
life that

912
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:06,000
yeah I mean case if you got the money
and you got it budgeted but sounds like

913
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:10,719
that's a pretty good chunk of money to
and it'll be but it'll if we get to the

914
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:16,679
end of next year it'll be 15 20% more
all right Fred's got a question you say

915
01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:21,639
it pays for itself how do we receive the
money uh I think commissioner ell says

916
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:28,440
paying for on the reduction in workman's
comp on the stretchers yeah on the

917
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:31,600
stretch yeah so it doesn't pay for it no
no the monitors don't the stretchers

918
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:35,960
will help us on the workman's comp
renewal Pro whenever I hear that I

919
01:31:33,480 --> 01:31:39,679
always want to know where it comes from
me and you both absolutely so so what's

920
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:43,679
the lifespan on these stretchers and
what's the lifespan on this equipment

921
01:31:41,239 --> 01:31:49,520
here uh the stretchers will they will
probably last 8 to 10 years um and

922
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:54,320
usually the lifespan of the truck um we
usually rep replace the stretchers when

923
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:59,199
we we buy new trucks but this will
update all of them and some of these we

924
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:03,239
can hold and put them in newer trucks
and and push the lifespan out on them so

925
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:07,400
that we don't have to replace them every
time we buy a

926
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:12,480
truck I'm you can roll them over can't
you like a truck that's uh in a high

927
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:16,520
call volume area using the same
stretcher taking one that's in the less

928
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:21,440
volume replace it in that truck to
extend the life on it is that correct

929
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,960
these are like power stretchers I mean
they got yeah so they they've got a

930
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:29,520
button that you push that'll lift them
up and then they have the power load

931
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:33,280
system so basically you push it up to
the back of the the amulance and it has

932
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,760
arms that holds it you push the button
it picks the wheels up and then you just

933
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:41,239
manually push it in slide it right in
the truck whereas some of them now they

934
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:45,320
have to pick the back end of the
stretcher up and lift the wheels up and

935
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:50,000
and you know burden all that weight on
the back side of

936
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:54,520
it just takes a lot of the work when
you're talking about these monitors now

937
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:58,880
I heard you say Well it go like 12 leads
um is that right you got 12 different

938
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:02,360
leads yeah so yeah what you get at the
doctor's office or hospital when they're

939
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:07,400
looking for a heart attack is they look
at what they call a 12 lead it just all

940
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:11,400
the different sides of the hearts um
however you can look at more some of it

941
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:15,040
on the back like a 15 lead they can do
it with the monitors they got now but

942
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:19,000
they got to pull the leads off and put
them on the back and then run another

943
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:22,520
one whereas this one you can put them
all on there and get all that

944
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:26,679
diagnostics at one time and you can
monitor that continuously as well so

945
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:31,440
that if you see someone actively having
a heart attack you can see the changes

946
01:33:29,119 --> 01:33:36,800
in the EKG as you're transporting them
to the C

947
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:43,360
flap okay what's the board's
U well we continue driving those oh 64

948
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:47,080
forwards or we can keep moving along
with the new

949
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:51,520
technology and I think we're already
having as questions for some of the old

950
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:56,280
equipment that we've had that didn't do
what this new equipment does so I think

951
01:33:53,560 --> 01:34:00,159
we we need to move forward with it all
right Mr chairman my only question is

952
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:05,560
what we do with the old equipment some
they're being traded in mon get trade in

953
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,880
value on those we'll keep a few of those
that we can use for special events and

954
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:13,239
stuff like that that you know that they
get beat up a little bit it' be okay um

955
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:15,920
but we we'll keep a few of them but
we're going to trade them in and we're

956
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:20,280
going to trade in some of the older
stretcher equipment too that's worked

957
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:23,840
into it good question he see it seems
like this is uh definitely something

958
01:34:22,119 --> 01:34:28,119
that you don't need to pinpoint in
budget because uh this is a pretty

959
01:34:26,199 --> 01:34:33,560
expensive yeah I had forgotten about we'
done this six years ago in the bulk like

960
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:38,880
this um so six seven eight years from
now we'll roll it into the capital plans

961
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:41,960
and have it on a rotation yeah this year
like I said I got the con Tim just

962
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:45,840
reminded me I've got about $2 million
left in contingency so this is going to

963
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:49,840
take all over a 500,000 I I don't never
budget any more than 75 grand worth of

964
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:54,080
contingency anyway in any given Year
we're good I think and then stuff comes

965
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:57,239
along in the year we've got to ability
maneuver that's that's one of the

966
01:34:55,639 --> 01:35:03,000
reasons why we build that budget like
that this stuff kind of comes up

967
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:05,520
um this one here I wish I kind of known
a little bit more about it I start

968
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:08,800
planning for it several years ago I mean
this is a big one I mean if I was going

969
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:13,560
to spend a million and a half bucks
every 10 years i' probably want to know

970
01:35:11,679 --> 01:35:19,960
budgeted to that especially with like
EMS I don't that's a that's um

971
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:24,840
Enterprise it's not an Enterprise but we
don't we lose money on that already so

972
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:30,119
it's not like it's paying for itself we
not I wish we were you know I mean we

973
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:35,480
can't go up on the rates anymore people
can't hardly afford to pay for an

974
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:40,080
ambulance ride now so yeah yeah what do
our collection do we know what our

975
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:46,000
collection rate is uh what number do you
usually set every year the last one I

976
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:49,600
saw was 82 I mean probably it's probably
down now given you know the Staffing

977
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:53,119
that had moved around you know you guys
approved some additional Staffing so

978
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:57,159
they're staying about 3 months behind it
probably pulled them month out it was

979
01:35:54,480 --> 01:36:00,600
four when you guys approved it two
months ago yeah they've made up a good

980
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:04,560
probably picked up cuz they've actually
hired some folks over there now we were

981
01:36:02,440 --> 01:36:09,840
at 87 at one point and then we went down
to 82 we've gone down some we're

982
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:14,320
probably in the 70s right now I'd say
and um but as soon as he's now that you

983
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:18,280
got full staff you'll start picking back
up we I can tell you this we closed the

984
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:22,480
books last year and I just looked at the
prelim numbers we made more money than

985
01:36:19,639 --> 01:36:26,000
we did the year before so that's not and
that's not even with full sta you can

986
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:29,800
imagine if we had five people over there
cooking on it all the time well I was

987
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:33,119
actually talking more about the actual
collection what we're collecting not

988
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:37,199
what we're talking about the money
figure I think he usually said it what

989
01:36:34,679 --> 01:36:42,199
5.1 million or 5.2 no not that I'm
talking about you know we have trouble

990
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:48,280
collecting from medic Medicaid and or or
some of that and at one time our

991
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:52,719
collection rate was is this hard for us
getting our money so I didn't know if

992
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:56,000
that was improved that's that 70s what
I'm talking about I mean we're probably

993
01:36:54,119 --> 01:36:59,360
aggregating around that number now cuz
it fell because we had two people over

994
01:36:57,639 --> 01:37:03,880
there you know we lost people you guys
approved some temp Staffing remember and

995
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:08,280
then we did we actually found I go ahead
I mean one of them is Alton's uh new

996
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,360
daughter-in-law I mean and she's
stepdaughter you know stepdaughter sorry

997
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:14,880
you got you got folks over there now
that actually cooking so now the

998
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:19,920
collection rate's going to start to pick
back up substantially um it's Stu picked

999
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:22,920
up you just got better you just got more
people and they they got good skill

1000
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:27,199
level the folks they've got over there
now so I feel feel good about the future

1001
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:33,199
of that now we'll get back up in several
months yeah go ahead

1002
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:40,040
for whenever they send the U ambulance
bills if it's uh private pay they send

1003
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:44,599
to they send a bill to the individual
rather than to the insurance company so

1004
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:50,599
the individual winds up paying part of
it and then it's tough to get his money

1005
01:37:47,159 --> 01:37:55,719
back on the other case as far as VA is
concerned they will not build VA you

1006
01:37:53,159 --> 01:38:00,080
have to do that yourself I didn't know
whether there was a way that they could

1007
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:05,480
uh set the billing system up to where
they would be able to to build the

1008
01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:09,400
insurance company and to build VA that
is that has been changed you guys

1009
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:12,920
approved to go directly to brw cross now
so we wrote that private paycheck going

1010
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:16,760
to the person and having their
discretion to give us our money piece

1011
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:19,960
out of the equation and that's one of
the things that's going to pick up the

1012
01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:24,199
total collection and they've got the
software now they can actually search

1013
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:29,719
based on if they've got inform with
everything they get they can search if

1014
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:33,119
they got they and they yeah so that's
helped a lot with with collection but

1015
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,840
remember as part of signing that deal
with Blue Cross you were on a time limit

1016
01:38:35,159 --> 01:38:40,400
a little tighter time in other words you
couldn't get behind and we F I think it

1017
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:43,360
was six-month limit that you couldn't
build for in other words if they gave

1018
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:47,159
you access to those records you can't be
searching for it for a year they cut it

1019
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:50,280
to like six months that's why we came
before you guys and said we're at four

1020
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,800
now we're creeping into dangerous
territory where we're going to lose

1021
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:58,000
money if we don't get going you the
staff we're cutting it back down once we

1022
01:38:56,119 --> 01:39:01,440
get back to level it's all gravy from
there you're just billing on the regular

1023
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:08,760
site okay do we need to put this on the
agenda for on the consent agenda for the

1024
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:14,719
12th
okay and and Debbie I'll get you the up

1025
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:19,599
updated quotes to put into the agenda
okay well Burl I think I'm sorry Alton

1026
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:23,119
you you you look so much like Burl
eyeses now

1027
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:28,400
I can't sing like him though I can
promise you

1028
01:39:29,480 --> 01:39:37,920
that all right um 7D Fire Marshal
request to establish a countywide fire

1029
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:42,159
reporting
database good morning Commissioners I

1030
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:46,440
want to introduce um Kevin Hooser
Arcadia Fire Chief and Brandon Hutchins

1031
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:49,000
West lexon fire chief really quick want
to thank them for coming they're going

1032
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:54,000
to do a little show and tail for you
here in just a minute so all right but

1033
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:58,239
our office is currently using what we
call epr system fireworks um so

1034
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:04,599
basically what we're asking for this
morning is $929 to be move from rpb

1035
01:40:02,679 --> 01:40:10,880
funds to build the
system um it will take epr around three

1036
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:16,199
months to build it
so what are what are the benefits of

1037
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:20,480
having a countywide system the system
will allow our office and all the

1038
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:24,560
Departments to share incident
inspections and prisent plan information

1039
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:29,800
which is very important when it comes to
you know emergencies So the prent plan

1040
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:34,119
allows us to share information such as
owner

1041
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:38,840
information um contact information
construction type and any life safety

1042
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:43,480
issues that the property has which is
important to these guys when they're

1043
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:47,639
responding to fires you know so really
quick Brandon is going to pull up and

1044
01:40:45,239 --> 01:40:50,400
just walk you through what the system
looks

1045
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:56,520
like which is really what you want to
see you you want to see what we're well

1046
01:40:53,719 --> 01:40:59,320
we're sharing in the cat bird seat now
didn't realize

1047
01:41:04,239 --> 01:41:11,800
that waiting on the
internet it is internet based so you do

1048
01:41:09,599 --> 01:41:15,520
have to you do have to have good
internet so where does this stay at

1049
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:19,639
where does this system stay at every
fire department each fire department

1050
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:23,320
will have their own but our s their
system will also link with ours okay so

1051
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,599
whenever we go in there and change it
information it changes on theirs when

1052
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:31,119
they go in there and change information
it changes on ours so everybody has the

1053
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:35,599
most upto-date current information that
is put into that system will you have an

1054
01:41:33,159 --> 01:41:40,080
acknowledgement that another entity has
changed some in the system will you know

1055
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:45,400
that yeah
okay so if Thomas will goes to a fire

1056
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:54,400
and handles a fire that report will be
in there and Thomas just County Fire

1057
01:41:50,280 --> 01:42:00,560
yeah okay um so uh West Lexington goes
in and does a

1058
01:41:55,679 --> 01:42:04,800
fire and Walberg goes goes and does a
fire near the area or whatever they can

1059
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:09,960
go and look and see and all those
reports are in there and together that's

1060
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:15,880
that's good yeah yeah our this first
started um our our office had a software

1061
01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:20,320
called streamline and we wasn't really
happy with it at all so we started

1062
01:42:17,639 --> 01:42:23,960
looking at um different softwares that
would allow us to do different things

1063
01:42:22,119 --> 01:42:29,159
and we went with this one we we found
out that Midway was already on it um

1064
01:42:27,239 --> 01:42:34,840
Arcadia was on it West was on it so we
decided to go

1065
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:40,800
um and it just seemed to work out we got
started moving talking ideas and and we

1066
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:45,280
felt it was a really good idea to
combine all this and make one system so

1067
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:49,679
everybody's on the same page so is there
a cost to each fire department as well

1068
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:53,599
yes yes how much does it cost the fire
department it depends on what they

1069
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:58,560
decide they want to use um it's up to
them I do actually have a spreadsheet

1070
01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:05,119
and I can give you a little idea um okay
usar systems likein probably tell you

1071
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:11,320
what his cost how many people us um for
Arcadia we're right at six grand a year

1072
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:15,199
um when I took over as fire chief we
were using a different program just for

1073
01:43:13,159 --> 01:43:19,199
Staffing because
we we're we try to keep three a day

1074
01:43:17,639 --> 01:43:24,480
we're fixing to go to four a day just
because of the growth and increase in

1075
01:43:20,520 --> 01:43:30,239
call Value M um the calendar program we
was using when they sent to Renewal it

1076
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:37,480
was almost four grand um I was like this
is crazy and then I found out about

1077
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:42,239
epr uh fory County Davy County Gilford
county they all use it

1078
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:47,520
exclusively uh there's different modules
so you got your fire reports there's a

1079
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:53,080
training module there's a VI business
intelligence model uh and a staffing

1080
01:43:50,440 --> 01:43:56,800
module and the system that we were
currently using what it was costing us

1081
01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:01,320
when I took the cost of that plus the
cost of my Staffing program and put it

1082
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:06,280
together it was only literally less than
$1,000 difference but the reporting side

1083
01:44:04,679 --> 01:44:11,960
of this and I'll get into that in a
minute uh made it worth it for me now

1084
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:17,320
what Brandon's pulled up here Brandon if
you want to talk about we call this a

1085
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:23,239
pre-entry survey so by us being able to
link our accounts together so this is in

1086
01:44:20,119 --> 01:44:27,320
West Lexing and Fire District if arcad
responding to this

1087
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:31,520
District I've never seen this
building but I can hit the response mode

1088
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:36,280
mton which is where Brandon sitting
right now and I can see and I'll let

1089
01:44:34,119 --> 01:44:41,480
Brandon explain all those little icons
you see there right so um as he

1090
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:46,480
mentioned this is a test call that we
had Communications you gave me a heart

1091
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:50,920
attack that's our senior services
B I did that intentional using your

1092
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:55,560
building because I didn't want to show
information since it's technically a

1093
01:44:52,520 --> 01:45:00,199
public meeting um that could be somebody
else's that's right um in this section

1094
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:03,880
this like he was saying this is what we
would see when we're responding to the

1095
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:08,679
call not every department has access to
the cad system uh due to some

1096
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:11,679
regulations that you have to go through
working with the county and extra fees

1097
01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:18,239
and some people don't want to do that
but they all have to do fire reports so

1098
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:22,639
if we utilize this system um you get
access to the same information that you

1099
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:27,400
get from CAD but it's it's based on what
we put into it so in this one like I

1100
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:31,880
said this is you guys a building um you
can see on the map that's pulled up all

1101
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:36,639
the icons on the building that show us
where the alarm panel is uh Gas shut

1102
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:40,560
offs electric shut offs I love it
towards the top of the screen and and

1103
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:45,520
like I say this is all based on what we
put into it uh and what some of this

1104
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:50,400
information will come from GIS which is
another neat feature that's tied into

1105
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:53,880
this software but like hydr locations at
the top of the screen right where water

1106
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:57,760
shut off there's also fire hydrants
there and currently you're looking at a

1107
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:01,679
Google map so we have all the features
of a Google map if you want street view

1108
01:45:59,599 --> 01:46:05,360
you slide the little man to the street
and for Kevin who's never seen this

1109
01:46:03,480 --> 01:46:10,920
building now he's looking at what he's
pulling up to um we also can ED

1110
01:46:09,159 --> 01:46:16,639
additional pictures if there's something
very specific that we want to share with

1111
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:22,239
everybody maybe the location of a ox box
or whatever fature it may be those can

1112
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:26,560
be there the icons across the top are
going to allow us access different

1113
01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:31,520
information um one of those is a simple
measuring tool if we wanted to measure

1114
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:34,400
distance from hydrants um distance to
other structures that we're concerned

1115
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:39,719
about being
involved the circular icon is the same

1116
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:44,040
thing we can shade in areas if we want
to if this was a very large incident and

1117
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:49,760
maybe we're creating staging areas or
areas of uh you know safe zones for

1118
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:55,560
people to stage in uh following that
you'll see an icon for WS so maybe uh

1119
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:59,960
you're responding to this area from
Denton I don't know State Building and

1120
01:46:58,599 --> 01:47:05,599
we need help and you have no idea where
it's at you can utilize waves um or the

1121
01:47:03,239 --> 01:47:11,080
following button which is the Google
Maps button and it'll direct you to the

1122
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:16,159
scene so turn BYT turn directions the
ezri button next to that is uh showing

1123
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:18,920
you a ezri layer um it's just a
different map to be honest with you as

1124
01:47:17,599 --> 01:47:23,840
far as the background it's not really
anything significant the following icons

1125
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:28,480
though is where we start pulling data
um from the cad system so if I click

1126
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:33,040
this one here and like I said this is a
test call but even if you don't have

1127
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:37,000
direct access to CAD you can pull up who
called it in if maybe it's an accident

1128
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:42,520
we're looking for we need a call back
number and also any CAD notes so uh a

1129
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:45,599
lot of times in the cad notes we'll have
specific information maybe a key code to

1130
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:51,000
get into a
door um information about trap victims

1131
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:56,280
possible locations of victims how many
people are there things of that nature

1132
01:47:53,159 --> 01:47:59,599
so all that's accessible um following
that you can start looking at times this

1133
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:03,080
really isn't important when you're on
the way to a call but it may be more

1134
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:08,280
important to the fire chief or who's in
command if they're looking at what time

1135
01:48:05,239 --> 01:48:14,080
we actually get this a call um how long
it took to dispatch it people in route

1136
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:16,920
Etc obviously those aren't complete cuz
I didn't check in

1137
01:48:15,650 --> 01:48:22,040
[Music]
around um Chief while you're talking

1138
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:26,599
about this is this something that's on
on the MDT and the trucks you guys can

1139
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:31,159
be looking at on your way there and so
forth or is it only in the command

1140
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:35,599
Vehicles it is based on every Department
going back to the cad access thing I was

1141
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:40,400
talking about at West Lexington every
truck has a tablet and this is on every

1142
01:48:37,719 --> 01:48:44,280
one of them which we have cat as well
but um our CAD is in the same position

1143
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:48,400
they have computers and and have the
same access unfortunately every

1144
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:52,400
Department doesn't have that but if
you're riding by yourself it's it's hard

1145
01:48:50,679 --> 01:48:57,000
to use it anyway sure unless your
department the staff multiple people

1146
01:48:54,280 --> 01:49:01,639
it's probably not quite as big a benefit
so let me ask you this I mean you got

1147
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:06,440
buying from uh most of the fire
departments volunteer fire departments

1148
01:49:03,239 --> 01:49:11,800
and all is that so so when this started
um we had four or five departments that

1149
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:16,880
was own it um already uh and we went to
a Chief's meeting had the discussion

1150
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:20,639
showed them what we were doing not
didn't didn't force anybody to do

1151
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:26,239
anything you know just look this is what
we're doing we see it as a huge huge

1152
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:31,239
benefit um and since then we
currently went from four to five to now

1153
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:38,760
we're at 12 or 13 departments that are
already making the move okay so um but

1154
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:43,960
so it we've seen a really huge benefit
but some departments are still currently

1155
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:47,560
tied down to um the the software that
they're own because they have a contract

1156
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:50,840
and some departments just can't you know
they can't pay for so but does most of

1157
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:54,920
them want to go to this product is that
it seems it's moving that way but again

1158
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:58,840
we're not we don't want to force anybody
to do anything they don't want to do so

1159
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:03,920
we went to the chief's meeting had the
conversation and everybody was you know

1160
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:09,360
on board seems seem to be but it's it's
a time thing you know but we we want to

1161
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:14,119
get get the process started and all it's
going to cost us is $9,200 so uh as far

1162
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:20,280
as I'm concerned if the rest of the
board is you're using it out of your PBB

1163
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:24,880
and so I'm okay with it with that yes
sir okay good enough good job y'all

1164
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:27,520
thank you thank you gentlemen Tuesday
night yeah thank you for giving me a

1165
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:34,960
heart
attack you're welcome okay Casey here's

1166
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:40,280
the here's the big one um 7e update on
HR onboarding and payroll system I want

1167
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:44,800
to thank the two chiefs they this this
started with uh the idea that we would

1168
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:48,360
buy we're getting a bulk discount we buy
it for everybody and then pay it back

1169
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,280
charge it back to them that was going to
be a nightmare now the company can still

1170
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:55,119
give us the bulk discount but send their
bills directly to them that makes sense

1171
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:59,880
so you're 9,000 just building that
database to get ready much more music to

1172
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:05,760
my ears than me getting involved yeah we
don't want to get into that some wanting

1173
01:51:02,679 --> 01:51:10,079
it some not and some having preference
all right let me Tony I'm going to start

1174
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:12,360
this off no please put my mouth you can
jump

1175
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:23,199
in case if you don't mind I guess start
off and I know you probably like doing

1176
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:28,239
it a different way start off that you
got two different systems I guess right

1177
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:31,760
and the cost of each system yes sir and
and kind of tell us the cost of each

1178
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:37,920
system and then we'll go back to
the to the spreading through your paper

1179
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:42,159
here but I know you told me some cost
and flip it if you want the cost flip

1180
01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:45,040
over to page two and let me just walk
you through all the there's a lot of

1181
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:48,280
numbers but I'm going get you oriented
to it really quick page two the one

1182
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:53,140
that's upside down one all these numbers
on it

1183
01:51:49,890 --> 01:51:53,140
[Applause]

1184
01:51:53,199 --> 01:52:01,440
tear them apart works
better uh total down here at the bottom

1185
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:06,000
is that where you're at 1.2 you've got
look up at the top first this is what we

1186
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:10,440
do currently so you're looking at one
two three four five six seven eight

1187
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:13,679
different nine different systems that we
use here and why we're here before you

1188
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:16,599
basically is because we got nine
different let me back up 10 years ago

1189
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:21,440
when I got here we did a lot of
onboarding p on paper and we Advanced

1190
01:52:19,480 --> 01:52:25,599
several few years ago to um what was it
Civic plus was the name of it you know

1191
01:52:23,480 --> 01:52:30,000
which was a which was a Quantum Leap as
far as you know you guys have heard the

1192
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:33,639
term Erp which is you put data in one
place and it goes filters to all the

1193
01:52:31,480 --> 01:52:36,639
other system places you need that's the
way of the future so that's what's

1194
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,920
before you but let's I'm just want you
to see how big of a leap you've made in

1195
01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:43,239
just 10 years I've only been here 10
years and we went some of these

1196
01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:46,800
processes were on paper so you've got
these different systems up here that you

1197
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:52,800
spend as you can see with your eyes
let's just call it $75,000 75 $80,000 we

1198
01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:55,560
did look at actually three systems the
there was a the cheapest one which

1199
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:58,719
you're going to see in a second the most
expensive one I'll explain why the cost

1200
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:03,000
can you go and give us the cost that's
what I want first okay well so the the

1201
01:53:01,079 --> 01:53:08,079
most expensive one if you're spending
$70,000 a year the most expensive one's

1202
01:53:06,119 --> 01:53:12,639
got the implementation cost a 5year
total you can see where they initially

1203
01:53:10,199 --> 01:53:16,520
offered $3 million as of a second
negotiation with staff were down to 2.3

1204
01:53:15,079 --> 01:53:23,960
see I don't see that that's what I want
to see on the second last flip over on

1205
01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:29,000
the back side of page one it right
here

1206
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:34,960
2.3 and then the other still don't see
it see on the third

1207
01:53:31,639 --> 01:53:42,000
page mine don't show 2.3 I don't either
I don't see it it's top and bottom like

1208
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:46,119
this right here 2.3 so one of them is
2.3 right Casey I want you to see it so

1209
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:50,360
if you don't have I see it I see it
right here I see the

1210
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:55,560
2.3 so how much is the other one the
other one's 1.2 and then we'll we'll get

1211
01:53:52,679 --> 01:53:59,520
into the specifics
and all right so we're looking at about

1212
01:53:57,679 --> 01:54:02,440
a million dollars more for one million
dollar difference and here's the spread

1213
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:07,480
of that million dollars it's in two
pieces we go you got one system the the

1214
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:10,400
the the system that probably HR would
like to have is obviously this most

1215
01:54:09,079 --> 01:54:13,760
expensive with the work day and I'm
going I want you to see some reference

1216
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:17,639
list in just a second as well million
dollar difference about half of that is

1217
01:54:15,719 --> 01:54:20,880
due to the this system going online in
10 months the other one would go online

1218
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:25,040
in 36 months so obviously if you're
going to get the benefit of using a

1219
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:29,320
system a over system B two years ahead
of time it's going to cost more correct

1220
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:32,639
cuz it's subscription based the other
five is this

1221
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:37,480
implementation and that's prob that's
going to be due to what I feel be um

1222
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:40,400
let's just call it handholding a little
bit more to get the system implemented

1223
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,719
you're going to have a little bit more
boots on the ground presence with

1224
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:47,719
workday than the other
system now that's not necessarily A Bad

1225
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:51,520
Thing I've put in systems where I was
essentially on my own in other words the

1226
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:55,679
vendor got with me and shared with me
some information and I was kind of in

1227
01:54:53,360 --> 01:55:00,239
charge of implementing it I'm not sure
we want to implement 10 pieces to an HR

1228
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:04,440
System and a payroll piece mind you
without a little bit more help I did see

1229
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:08,520
in one of the reference uh dialogues
that the other company uh they actually

1230
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:11,679
wish they they kind of quoted we wish we
would have went back and kind of worked

1231
01:55:10,119 --> 01:55:14,119
through a project manager to have
because we you know it was a little

1232
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:18,360
tougher to implement than we thought it
was going to be so that is the

1233
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:21,800
difference in the cost subscription wise
once you get past that implementation

1234
01:55:20,079 --> 01:55:26,280
you can see with your eyes both systems
start off at about $300,000 a year

1235
01:55:24,679 --> 01:55:32,840
that's the subscription piece you're
paying 70 so the Delta is about 200 let

1236
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:36,920
just say $25,000 it obviously grows
annually what you might the benefit of

1237
01:55:35,079 --> 01:55:41,719
that is what we're trying to Fig I guess
the question on the floor is those Pro

1238
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:45,760
with those will we pick up that
difference in productivity not only with

1239
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:50,800
h our staff that they've estimated
around 1500 man hours a year that they

1240
01:55:47,719 --> 01:55:54,920
spend keying same data in multiple
places but our in users and I'll give

1241
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:59,320
you an example Trish just run a job fair
two weeks ago where a person had to put

1242
01:55:57,639 --> 01:56:03,079
their application information in they
wanted to apply for two different jobs

1243
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:07,800
they had to fill it out
twice that's a Time waster for that

1244
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:11,840
person and for us the system here goes
in one time that can apply use the same

1245
01:56:09,639 --> 01:56:15,000
data for multiple jobs and then if we
want to onboard them we want to hire

1246
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:18,920
them we can extrapolate and use some of
that data for the onboarding process and

1247
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:23,840
stop having to key in again for a third
time so this is a timesaver and a

1248
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:27,599
benefit as far as the end user on the
other side of the portal looking at it

1249
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:30,679
and going wow you know I got this I got
to fill this out twice I mean some

1250
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:34,360
people kind of get turned off by those
things so I'd like to I'd like to just

1251
01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:40,599
say one thing according to what you're
saying one one thing that is beneficial

1252
01:56:37,880 --> 01:56:46,400
to HR and whichever system we decide to
pick is you look at the growth that our

1253
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:50,960
County departments has had and you look
at that growth even to the 90s until

1254
01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:56,040
today and the HR department still
staffed the same way covering way more

1255
01:56:53,840 --> 01:57:01,280
employees covering way more people
coming in with the same amount of people

1256
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:05,880
doing the job so they're doing 10 times
more than what they did in 1990 what

1257
01:57:03,320 --> 01:57:10,280
they're doing in 2024 today so they need
a system that can help them and and it's

1258
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:14,880
still not going to be enough they
probably still need more Staffing an HR

1259
01:57:12,679 --> 01:57:20,239
but um that that's one of the reasons
their workload has exponentious grown

1260
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:23,840
now if you can I just want to show you
this because I mean this I know it look

1261
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:27,320
pretty but this is hopefully on one
piece of paper you're probably thinking

1262
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:32,880
what in the world does HR
do what is it that they do you hear HR I

1263
01:57:30,679 --> 01:57:36,440
mean you so look to the left here's all
the job functions that we're talking

1264
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:41,119
about in those I'm just going to round
up and say 10 different

1265
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:45,159
systems with the right hand side being
the same job functions but now combined

1266
01:57:43,239 --> 01:57:49,040
into the two now with workday you know
you have the skill survey that uh I mean

1267
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:52,560
the skill safety thing where we do the
fire training and that kind of stuff

1268
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:55,960
that program maybe cuz it was a module
built into their system where we could

1269
01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:59,079
you know we can put training stuff in
there but we got to build it we might as

1270
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:02,719
well just stay with the safety skills
and I cut that cost out of that's how

1271
01:58:00,599 --> 01:58:05,480
you got down $700,000 I just went in and
started trimming stuff out that we

1272
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:09,800
probably don't need let me ask you a
question when's the last time we done

1273
01:58:07,159 --> 01:58:15,040
some software update and I mean has this
stuff just been added periodically as we

1274
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:20,360
it has periodically over time yeah
periodically over time but the the Civic

1275
01:58:17,719 --> 01:58:24,679
plus was probably the last one um and
that I can't remember when that was well

1276
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:29,920
we just we just went from Civic HR which
is Civic plus two criteria but when we

1277
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:37,079
put it in originally uh in
19 19 2019 Civic HR and Mr Elliot's got

1278
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:42,440
a point in the sense of um Mr chairman
we like AA you know when I got here that

1279
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:46,239
that stuff wasn't as wasn't as
monstrosity as it is now you know so

1280
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:49,880
staff over here spends a lot of time
going through doing the reporting and

1281
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:52,920
the things like that it takes to get all
the employees your information this

1282
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:57,599
stuff handles that it handles the
payroll taxes so Finance has to spend

1283
01:58:56,040 --> 01:59:01,679
time this got a time keeping component
in for example we already got a Time

1284
01:58:59,079 --> 01:59:04,560
system but this one here is bit I guess
because it's newer and you know got a

1285
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:07,960
newer technology but they won't be
counting hours down there manually every

1286
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:11,239
two weeks which they have to do now to
kind of make sure the time sheets are

1287
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:14,920
right then be able to file stuff
quarterly with the federal government on

1288
01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:19,639
payroll taxes it all does it in one
system now the one thing that's that the

1289
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:22,760
work day also offers a couple benefits
to them I let me give you the pros and

1290
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:27,840
cons of what I saw I set through the
demo and then you can ask these folks um

1291
01:59:25,079 --> 01:59:32,360
of both systems the work day I like the
reports the dashboard reports are

1292
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:35,920
excellent they have an ability for and
we always talk about this here in this

1293
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:40,520
room what's your turnover what's your
time to fill jobs around here sometimes

1294
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:43,360
these department heads don't know that
answer they have to come up to these

1295
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:47,520
folks and get them to compile reports
out of two or three places to know that

1296
01:59:45,159 --> 01:59:52,079
by the time it's compiled it's old this
stuff's on the screen so and I can

1297
01:59:50,199 --> 01:59:55,119
deonate that based on the security
information to anybody in the

1298
01:59:53,239 --> 01:59:59,800
organization including
y'all so you could even see it if you

1299
01:59:57,480 --> 02:00:05,480
want to by the part Casey's the best
manager in I'm just going to make up a

1300
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:10,599
department Trish uh in DSS at hiring
people he can do it in I'm just making

1301
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:15,320
up a number 30 days uh Tony's the worst
he can he can't do it but faster than 60

1302
02:00:12,599 --> 02:00:19,280
days what is the problem with Tony why
can he not do this faster you can't ask

1303
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:23,880
those questions if you don't have the
data so there's more time to feel as

1304
02:00:22,079 --> 02:00:28,440
money you know it's just more there's
part of that 200,000 we talked about

1305
02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:31,400
Delta difference once we get going we're
starting to eat into that number now

1306
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:34,840
because we we got the ability then to
see who's the problem and how to speed

1307
02:00:33,159 --> 02:00:37,679
things up or there there could be a
bottleneck in the process we don't know

1308
02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:40,960
anything about I'll give you another one
Trish I'm not trying to pick on you but

1309
02:00:39,480 --> 02:00:46,239
you know we're having a good time up
here um I've got a person downstairs

1310
02:00:43,800 --> 02:00:49,639
that goes through every job application
based on our system now can ask you

1311
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:53,480
leading questions commissioner Elliot
applies for a job and it can say are you

1312
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:56,560
this this and this and it can basically
say you know you're not qualified for

1313
02:00:55,000 --> 02:01:00,679
the job the problem with our existing
software is it won't automatically take

1314
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:03,760
you out of the stack you can answer the
questions but you still show up in the

1315
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:06,719
stack so I've got a person downstairs
have to go through that stack because

1316
02:01:05,079 --> 02:01:11,280
they got State Standards to meet to hire
for the job that takes time for that

1317
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:14,560
person these systems will take you out
automatically so now Mr Elliott applies

1318
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:19,800
for the job he answers the questions he
doesn't meet the job out but you have to

1319
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:23,159
tailor make these right but we would do
that part of the implementation right

1320
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:27,119
get it right and then that way that
person downstairs is having to do that

1321
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:30,040
just freed up a part of their lives they
got to go through every time somebody

1322
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:32,880
applies for these jobs and it could be
stacked and you can make it just for

1323
02:01:31,639 --> 02:01:37,159
that department is that what you're
saying by position you could Yeah by

1324
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:41,440
position position so we could say do you
have a bachelor's degree in social work

1325
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:47,639
yes no if they say no takes them to
another or do you have three years of

1326
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:50,199
experience in purchasing no they k k so
that's going to take a little bit of

1327
02:01:48,599 --> 02:01:56,199
time to implement that for all the
different jobs

1328
02:01:53,159 --> 02:01:59,400
pH cost that's one of the reasons the
$500,000 right that's one of the reason

1329
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:02,599
why I'd like a little help because it's
going to get complex or we can make it

1330
02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:06,520
complex that makes sense we can
implement it with the basics and but I

1331
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:11,239
know us we're going to before you put in
the better results you get out we bought

1332
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:15,239
systems before and didn't do the proper
stuff in the front end right and it's

1333
02:02:13,239 --> 02:02:17,960
kicked us in a tail in the back end man
I just text Tim this morning you guys

1334
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:21,639
have heard me say this and you're
probably thinking when I said it what

1335
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:26,400
are you talking about in 25 years in
govern I have never worked in a place

1336
02:02:23,719 --> 02:02:30,679
where we had HR reports by position
match the position count of the budget I

1337
02:02:28,040 --> 02:02:35,360
have not worked somewhere until now
thanks to the staff over here and Tim it

1338
02:02:33,239 --> 02:02:40,400
matches now that what you know what that
means good clean data will go into this

1339
02:02:38,119 --> 02:02:44,840
new system not
junk so you'll have good clean stuff

1340
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:48,119
that's good for reporting you get good
dashboards you people to be able can see

1341
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:51,280
what they're doing the other system has
dashboards too I just like the work they

1342
02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:54,880
ones cuz they were they were nice they
were actually I'm just make the word

1343
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:58,400
they were beautiful they looked user
friendly they show up they they look

1344
02:02:56,599 --> 02:03:03,000
like I I need visuals I want to see a
graph I want to see some numbers um so I

1345
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:07,520
like that we found out yesterday and I'm
kind of throwing this in as I go Tony

1346
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:10,679
they'll do the oan logs so all the
paperwork that goes to the ocean logs

1347
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:13,760
get put in the system it will generate
the report we send to the federal

1348
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:18,040
government so we got do that manually
now we create the accident reports and

1349
02:03:16,679 --> 02:03:22,280
things like that right now all that's
done manually and by paper and then my

1350
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:27,520
staff has to take that put it onto the
ocean log then submit it to the federal

1351
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:33,000
government the system workday
will you you'll fill those accident

1352
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:38,440
reports or incident reports out on in
the system the system then digests the

1353
02:03:36,199 --> 02:03:42,119
information moves it over done to the
oosha log and then it prints out put it

1354
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:45,760
on the portal or you still got to send
it to we submit it to the federal

1355
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:49,159
government you finance is going to get a
little bit of a benefit from these

1356
02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:52,679
payroll taxes and these hours so even
they've started to bleed into this 1500

1357
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:56,599
hours that I didn't calculate them
getting some help out of this just

1358
02:03:54,520 --> 02:04:00,599
beneficially one more quick so one quick
thing about neoo that's a benefit they

1359
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:04,920
have a thing built into their software
and we can buy this separately cuz we

1360
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:10,000
have done it an one time uh thing called
government jobs.com it's kind of like

1361
02:04:06,679 --> 02:04:14,040
their version of um what's the indeed or
um zip recruiter or whatever so it just

1362
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:18,360
does government jobs that comes standard
with the package if we want that I think

1363
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:21,199
it's about three grand we'll figure out
a way to make that happen and we we

1364
02:04:19,639 --> 02:04:24,840
could incorporate that I wasn't scared
of that cuz it's not that it's not a

1365
02:04:22,920 --> 02:04:27,920
deal breaker if that makes sense last
thing I want you to see flip over to

1366
02:04:26,280 --> 02:04:31,599
this the back page just flip it all the
way to the end but Casey if we can get

1367
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:35,400
to the numbers right quick and then then
we'll get back to that if you don't mind

1368
02:04:33,159 --> 02:04:40,320
so I just got to understand in my head
as I'm listening to all this so the 420

1369
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:45,000
now is what we pay a year right that's
everything added up kind of what we pay

1370
02:04:42,079 --> 02:04:48,679
a year now no we're paying about 75 80
grand a year for all of our systems

1371
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:54,400
added
together I got you a total of uh right

1372
02:04:52,679 --> 02:04:59,000
at the top until
2029 right Tim's Tim's extrapolated that

1373
02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:03,719
out and used an inflator because these
things move another benefit of the work

1374
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:08,760
day is they've agreed to lock these
these inflators in for 10 years all we

1375
02:05:07,000 --> 02:05:11,559
don't have to do a 10year deal but that
was another benefit for them as part of

1376
02:05:10,280 --> 02:05:15,040
negotiating with them in other words
they've got a process in their contract

1377
02:05:13,559 --> 02:05:21,880
where they have a percent like a think
2% move every year and then they add CPI

1378
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:26,000
to that you could be talking about 8 n%
if we can do if we want to do a 10-year

1379
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:30,719
deal that's up to us we can erase the
CPI piece there are no other upgrades

1380
02:05:29,280 --> 02:05:34,199
built into these dollars in other words
we won't get the year five and they go

1381
02:05:32,360 --> 02:05:37,440
oops you got to spend another 300 Grand
you got to go to version blah blah blah

1382
02:05:35,679 --> 02:05:41,880
it comes in the
numbers so if you go down to work day Mr

1383
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:45,079
chairman you can see I I've just showed
you the initial offer because I wanted

1384
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:50,559
you to see where they started with their
best and final proposal $3 million you

1385
02:05:48,199 --> 02:05:54,760
can see the the row there to put it in
the implementation cost 10 months staff

1386
02:05:53,079 --> 02:05:58,800
training and that learning module I
spoke of where you have content on there

1387
02:05:56,920 --> 02:06:02,880
for like safety skills and things like
that but you got to add the content I

1388
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:06,760
don't necessarily want to spend 40 grand
for a shell thing that I got to add

1389
02:06:04,679 --> 02:06:11,159
content right now so you can see in my
version of second negotiation I cut that

1390
02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:15,599
out so the biggest deal what I see right
here you going to spend a million

1391
02:06:12,360 --> 02:06:20,360
dollars up front 1.1 million where in
the other one you're only spending

1392
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:24,639
27,000 in
2025 me I usually look at money first

1393
02:06:22,840 --> 02:06:28,400
and then we get down to specifics of
basically right cuz I'm not going to get

1394
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:33,320
nothing implemented on on the second one
for 36 months so it's really if you can

1395
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:37,040
see with your eyes actually the Neo gets
to be more expensive as time goes on

1396
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:42,559
subscription wise see with your eyes
it's 330,000 estimate in 2029 me uh work

1397
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:47,239
day in 2029
324 so so once we get past implementing

1398
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:50,960
and and so your first reaction you see
the cost is 3 million versus one two wow

1399
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:54,559
just go with one two but it's because
you're putting the one system in in less

1400
02:06:52,679 --> 02:06:59,199
than a year and the other one in three
years you know I'm looking at the

1401
02:06:56,559 --> 02:07:04,559
ongoing cost each year you know I always
like to buy the best if I can or what's

1402
02:07:01,239 --> 02:07:09,040
going to work the best um but again it
comes down to cost too so if you look on

1403
02:07:07,559 --> 02:07:15,559
the back so really you're looking at a
million dollars up front once you get

1404
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:20,440
past that then cost is as good or better
with the option that that HR would like

1405
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:25,760
to have in you correct say that one more
time it get gets cheaper after the

1406
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:34,239
initial cost it gets cheaper for the one
staff would like to have correct

1407
02:07:29,639 --> 02:07:38,800
two yeah 324 to 369 in
2029 if you look on the back you see

1408
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:43,840
who's using yeah I don't really care
who's using and all that that's that's

1409
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:48,360
not really my thing it's it's it's the
staff if if it's the best we bought some

1410
02:07:46,199 --> 02:07:52,559
other software that other counties used
that it's worked terrible for us you

1411
02:07:50,119 --> 02:07:58,119
know so yeah
um so again but option number two is

1412
02:07:55,239 --> 02:08:06,119
what everybody wants correct so option
one workday is the one everybody

1413
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:12,719
was yeah I guess that's
okay y my ask

1414
02:08:09,239 --> 02:08:17,840
question Tony have you uh have you
brought the department heads in I know

1415
02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:23,480
we've done a demo but have to to look at
this to see if it's actually you know

1416
02:08:20,440 --> 02:08:27,719
cuz if they also start looking at it and
I know they probably have a small piece

1417
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:31,000
of this but yeah even when they do if
they start looking at things and it's

1418
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:35,079
hard for them or they don't understand
it we didn't bring all the department

1419
02:08:33,079 --> 02:08:38,599
heads in we brought in it and finance
cuz those are the ones that are directly

1420
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:42,280
impact they don't really work with the
software yeah a lot of this will be back

1421
02:08:40,119 --> 02:08:47,840
in that's going to benefit their lives
and finance the enduser like an

1422
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:51,599
applicant I mean these things are slick
built for people that you know like you

1423
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:55,800
roll up online and like our system is
now you know it looks okay it's the

1424
02:08:53,320 --> 02:09:00,040
backend piece that's that's kind of not
as clunky that makes sense and other

1425
02:08:58,199 --> 02:09:04,199
departments like sheriff's office or EMS
they don't deal with the backend this

1426
02:09:02,119 --> 02:09:10,800
yeah and they'll have access as they do
now to Criterion to help us make sure we

1427
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:17,280
know what jobs they want posted in the
application process and things like that

1428
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:21,800
that'll all be infinitely better than so
we're still going to have multiple

1429
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:27,639
programs no no just one system but the
cool thing really about workday is

1430
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:34,199
everybody will have a dashboard right so
you'll log in and based on

1431
02:09:31,320 --> 02:09:38,960
security criteria you'll have your
dashboard and it'll have all of the

1432
02:09:36,440 --> 02:09:44,719
stuff that you have access to so if you
are a hiring manager you'll have access

1433
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:49,639
to the jobs that report to you you can
go in you can start looking at how when

1434
02:09:47,239 --> 02:09:53,719
an applicant applied when they
interviewed when the job was offered how

1435
02:09:51,920 --> 02:10:01,000
long it took for them to go through that
process um all of that is Extreme is

1436
02:09:57,079 --> 02:10:06,880
very well not used too overly words but
descriptive but it is very intuitive

1437
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:11,639
very easy to use um there will be some
training that we will need to do uh with

1438
02:10:09,559 --> 02:10:15,119
managers and supervisors as well as
employees part of that training will be

1439
02:10:13,320 --> 02:10:19,360
people putting in things like not
bringing their changes to that they need

1440
02:10:17,320 --> 02:10:23,360
for HR to these folks to put in manually
they'll be able to put them in their s

1441
02:10:21,920 --> 02:10:27,639
changes and things like that you they
got to come up here tell them they go

1442
02:10:25,599 --> 02:10:30,840
put them in that stops they just go in
and do it so that part's going to be

1443
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:35,119
trainable yeah all employees will be
able to go into their dashboard see what

1444
02:10:33,239 --> 02:10:41,000
they can access and do and so if they
want to change an exemption for taxes or

1445
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:45,520
emergency contact or address all that is
done right there on their dashboard um

1446
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:52,199
and there's a mobile app as well so they
can do it uh on their phone or or iPad

1447
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:57,639
and then it is based on the process that
we create in the implementation stage it

1448
02:10:55,199 --> 02:11:01,880
goes through an approval process um
ultimately coming through to one of my

1449
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:08,360
staff members for approval address
change so Can employees get to their W2s

1450
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:13,400
and they can get to yes U their pay
stubs and all that stuff CU I used to

1451
02:11:11,480 --> 02:11:17,599
hate it when I'd go to buy a car or
something they need you know three

1452
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:21,320
months of pay stubs you had to go beg
for three months pay stubs from payroll

1453
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:24,440
yeah so you pull all that up on your
it'll all be right there for them and

1454
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:28,520
they can get it when they need it past
subbs

1455
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:32,679
W2s um any other information that we
have or they need to have available to

1456
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:35,719
them and this is a One-Stop shop program
yes everything's there so we can do away

1457
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:41,440
with all these other things that we're
doing yes yes cuz I see emails all the

1458
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:44,840
time as 400's down nav Lin's down this
is down that's down yeah well there's a

1459
02:11:43,559 --> 02:11:48,239
couple department heads in here if you
want to ask them about criteria and the

1460
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:53,400
problems they have with I know when I
worked in Thomas we got emails daily

1461
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:57,400
about as4 400 was down I need to ask
another question to Casey hang on one

1462
02:11:55,119 --> 02:12:02,679
second now you said option one do we
want option one or option two option one

1463
02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:08,000
the work day that's option two this says
Neil GES option one and workday sorry

1464
02:12:05,400 --> 02:12:12,880
sorry say y'all got me really confused
here so which one so we need to get to

1465
02:12:10,599 --> 02:12:19,559
the basics of what we want first and
then that's what I option two on Neo did

1466
02:12:17,599 --> 02:12:23,760
y'all did y'all talk about the training
aspect of that cuz I you was talking

1467
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:29,840
about a blank shell with work day but
neoo has 6,000 different professional

1468
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:34,239
programs and everything different
op they do that's the one we could we

1469
02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:39,079
could probably keep the safety skills
with if we went with them cuz he's got

1470
02:12:35,559 --> 02:12:43,239
1,700 training modules in there that's
crazy but with the other one I'm not

1471
02:12:41,639 --> 02:12:47,239
going to pay for the hold of it right
now we we'll do we got the it doesn't

1472
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:51,679
cost that much to keep that content so
we don't want the GU jobs part if we

1473
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:54,880
needed that subscription
if we thought workday is a better system

1474
02:12:53,320 --> 02:12:58,800
for three grand I'd rather have the
system that everybody's I can go get it

1475
02:12:56,840 --> 02:13:02,159
it's not I don't have to go through neoo
to get their product cuz that's kind of

1476
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:08,360
sold separately as a license we bought
it before we a couple years ago I

1477
02:13:04,159 --> 02:13:14,079
purchased it uh um government jobs.com
which is a proprietary product of neoo

1478
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:19,239
but they sell it separately and and I we
purchased that's about 30 about $33,500

1479
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:22,719
I think if I remember correctly been a
couple years ago so Chris you said look

1480
02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:26,400
at this and look who's using it if you
do that and compare them I mean how do

1481
02:13:24,679 --> 02:13:31,679
you know who's good and who's not using
it I mean all the counties are using the

1482
02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:35,440
one we don't want and all these folks
are using the ones we if you look at the

1483
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:40,760
government city of Charlotte High Point
and who else is using for the government

1484
02:13:38,440 --> 02:13:44,440
agencies on work dayses youve got three
yeah but I'm saying foresight Guilford

1485
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:50,040
Rockingham Alamance ell cabar they're
all using ne ne I you know are you going

1486
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:55,800
to say they're done the wrong thing I
mean I I don't know use neoo every day

1487
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:59,400
of my life and uh I'm not sure I've
never seen work days so I can't speak on

1488
02:13:58,040 --> 02:14:05,639
or
against I did but I know Neo does

1489
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:13,079
everything that y'all yeah I did talk to
uh foresight Guilford and

1490
02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:19,199
Rockingham they all only use the um ATS
the applicant tracking system um which

1491
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:24,800
is governmentjobs.com and Rockingham
does use the performance piece those are

1492
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:30,360
the only two pieces out of the entire
package that they use really yeah and so

1493
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:37,760
my guess is if I were to call the rest
of the counties that probably would be a

1494
02:14:33,559 --> 02:14:44,559
similar story um that they don't use all
of the all the components of neoa on the

1495
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:48,400
flip side I did talk to the city of
Charlotte they uh started the

1496
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:55,239
implementation or they started the
purchasing process in 20 they

1497
02:14:51,280 --> 02:15:00,840
implemented the uh human the HR
component uh a year ago they love it the

1498
02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:06,960
reason they selected it is because it
was really a true enterprise system

1499
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:13,480
versus the other systems they looked at
um and meaning that they they can they

1500
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:19,320
are also then in the process of
implementing the financial piece that

1501
02:15:16,199 --> 02:15:23,520
has the financials on it and inventory
controls um and they

1502
02:15:21,880 --> 02:15:26,400
that well that's that's another benefit
of the workday negotiations that's the

1503
02:15:25,239 --> 02:15:30,639
kind of reason why I got involved with
them they offer a grants management um

1504
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:33,320
and expense management which I assume is
some kind of budget module you know we

1505
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:40,960
don't have a budget system you're
staring at him so um we got the uh uh

1506
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:45,800
the finance piece The Ledger and so the
newo go doesn't offer that so they're

1507
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:50,199
not the true Erp if that makes sense um
work day will hold if we we don't have

1508
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:54,280
to buy right now this is not added in
the finance p piece but you know for I

1509
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:57,840
think it's like 80 grand more a year for
the finance piece there's a variety of

1510
02:15:56,079 --> 02:16:02,159
other modules they will lock that price
in for those if we want them in the next

1511
02:16:00,360 --> 02:16:05,400
um I think it was 18 months or so work
day will do that yeah workday will hold

1512
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:08,840
them modules for us as part of the
contract negotiation so if we come back

1513
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:12,280
and say we want to roll with some of
these other modules we don't even have

1514
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:15,000
to buy them all we just get the discount
we can pick and choose from the menu and

1515
02:16:13,559 --> 02:16:19,320
say we want this one we don't want this
one so they do have that ability to take

1516
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:22,119
it all the way to Max I don't know that
I'm still kind of working through my

1517
02:16:20,599 --> 02:16:25,880
head on on The Ledger side what would be
the benefit I see the benefit on the HR

1518
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:29,119
piece and obviously like I've told you
guys the payroll system we got now even

1519
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:34,040
though it's as400 that's what a lot of
people use I me it's 30 years old so

1520
02:16:32,120 --> 02:16:37,479
that's what started a lot of this for me
was like well we got probably got to

1521
02:16:35,359 --> 02:16:41,040
move off that platform at some point in
time but then as more I talk to these

1522
02:16:39,399 --> 02:16:46,399
folks the more I realize man they are
stewing over there wasting a lot of time

1523
02:16:43,399 --> 02:16:50,359
keying I get all that I'm place over I'm
trying to get to the money work day

1524
02:16:48,599 --> 02:16:56,120
looks to me like I mean I know some of
these folks that that owns workday and

1525
02:16:53,200 --> 02:17:01,439
they do their research when it comes to
to uh buying software you know so again

1526
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:05,559
I don't know how the rested board feels
but some of it's local too right some

1527
02:17:03,479 --> 02:17:09,920
local like I say I know I know I know
there one and I know folks that work for

1528
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:13,960
this other but I know this guy uh pretty
well and U so may I ask a couple

1529
02:17:12,599 --> 02:17:21,200
questions
so how how much money have we spent on

1530
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:26,280
anything new in the last I mean y'all
working with someone that is literally

1531
02:17:23,639 --> 02:17:32,519
30 years old and you've had no
improvements in those in that time

1532
02:17:28,439 --> 02:17:39,639
periodic HR was the was the most recent
okay new product uh time in attendance

1533
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:43,040
executive time was 7 208 or 17 time it's
been that long ago and and the problem

1534
02:17:41,359 --> 02:17:50,519
is they don't all talk to each other
they're all separate systems right so I

1535
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:58,479
understand that so um all right at at so
20 2030 is 2030 going to be just another

1536
02:17:54,760 --> 02:18:02,399
like 300 and some thousand it will if
you go with either one it'll continue on

1537
02:18:00,359 --> 02:18:06,399
the problem is I do kind of like that
you know we don't normally lock into

1538
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:10,559
10year deals around here right but I do
like the fact that they work they was

1539
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:15,719
willing to tell me up front negotiate
with me that if you want to do 10 I can

1540
02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:19,000
kill off that CPI piece CU if not that's
probably coming unless I work really

1541
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:22,840
hard to negotiate that I didn't spread
this out five more years four years to

1542
02:18:20,960 --> 02:18:25,840
see so you don't have that cost in but
yes it's going to it's it going to be

1543
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:29,359
the 300,000 no matter what but you got
to remember in their contract they're

1544
02:18:27,319 --> 02:18:35,160
going to put inflators in there okay
they're not going to give you zero right

1545
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:38,160
so but they have an 2% you know increase
and then have in their standard

1546
02:18:36,519 --> 02:18:43,319
contracts a thing that says they'll put
CPI on top of that they're willing to

1547
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:48,000
kill the CPI piece if we want the 10year
deal okay you know I'm going to

1548
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:50,960
recommend we spend the more money okay
because I just think the probably the

1549
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:54,679
value is there and that's why been
struggling with this trying to trying to

1550
02:18:53,240 --> 02:19:00,280
figure out what we need to do or
whatever but sometimes it's hard to say

1551
02:18:57,080 --> 02:19:04,599
it cost it's a million dollars again
where's the money coming from we Tim

1552
02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:07,479
reminded me go back to outon just few
minutes ago well we're going to go we

1553
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:10,479
either going to go to capital reserve
for out and and remember you always got

1554
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:13,559
more additional sales tax and property
tax that we've been storing up for

1555
02:19:11,880 --> 02:19:17,359
Capital anyway we'll just take the menli
off of that and siphon it off and use it

1556
02:19:15,160 --> 02:19:21,679
for this cuz this is one time okay once
we budget and get it in we're into the

1557
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:26,399
300 Grand a year deal
so we got that's where you're at anyhow

1558
02:19:23,399 --> 02:19:29,840
yeah well we're 75 grand we're putting
200 in once we get to that place and and

1559
02:19:28,679 --> 02:19:33,160
I don't want you to feel like man a
million dollars why can't we go remember

1560
02:19:31,319 --> 02:19:36,280
you get another one in 10 months get
another one the one that's cheaper you

1561
02:19:34,679 --> 02:19:40,399
would be three years so what's what's
the price adding gov jobs if we're going

1562
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:43,880
to do it let's do it right it's only
about three grand let us let us we can

1563
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:47,880
go straight to them once because you're
talking commission you're talking to uh

1564
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:52,200
the back end of the 10 months before we
let us get to that place and for Grand

1565
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:55,160
we find out we want it we can get it we
can work it in the budget and we'll find

1566
02:19:53,439 --> 02:19:59,760
out how to buy it one last question for
me a GU job is on the ne ofg and we not

1567
02:19:57,960 --> 02:20:04,439
getting that we getting work day will it
transition into this yeah but that we

1568
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:09,359
can purchase the go job full work day
okay sry you good go ahead the

1569
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:13,680
information that we have now it will
transition into this flawlessly in the

1570
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:19,640
workday correct okay yep so you're not
lose any data we will not lose any

1571
02:20:15,960 --> 02:20:25,800
data flawlessly that's a big word there
might be some

1572
02:20:21,240 --> 02:20:30,680
I think little pain see always is always
false don't get any it be a little more

1573
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:35,760
painful than that open go has whooped my
tail so I'm going to ask all kinds of

1574
02:20:32,920 --> 02:20:41,840
questions when it comes to we should
not how's that we should not lose any

1575
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:46,040
data all right we good with that how do
you want to handle that case on the cons

1576
02:20:44,040 --> 02:20:49,760
can can I get permission to negotiate
with uh work day a little bit more and

1577
02:20:48,160 --> 02:20:54,439
make sure I got the details of the
10year what what's in what's out um you

1578
02:20:52,680 --> 02:20:57,800
want a motion giving you if I can just
get that I can just get consensus to

1579
02:20:56,240 --> 02:21:01,920
negotiate I'll bring a contract forward
it may not be Tuesday night but maybe

1580
02:20:59,720 --> 02:21:06,040
the next meeting if you going to do that
then just put it on the next Thursday

1581
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:10,399
meeting we got animal well we got the
one where it's um the seating it'll be

1582
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:13,800
it's not it's like the meeting our next
informational meeting is in January

1583
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:16,720
you're right you're right okay yeah
that's fine just I might can make it get

1584
02:21:15,399 --> 02:21:20,880
and share it with the board for us to
look over and make sure and I'll just

1585
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:25,080
pass on something that workday said to
me about Casey and he said he's like a

1586
02:21:23,240 --> 02:21:29,880
pit bull when it comes to negotiation I
paid him 10 bucks to do that yes indeed

1587
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:35,160
he knows he's going to catch it from up
here if he's I think about this

1588
02:21:33,160 --> 02:21:39,240
yesterday and my phrase was I will not
go in there in front of them and this

1589
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:42,720
not be correct so you somebody better do
something I know better I don't here I

1590
02:21:41,319 --> 02:21:47,920
found out a long time ago the cheapest
ain't always the best okay since we're

1591
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:52,080
spending money I would just say don't
don't totally give up on the training

1592
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:56,560
aspect if we're going to invest in this
in 10 years let's let's get him the

1593
02:21:54,479 --> 02:22:01,200
pieces we have even if he has to build
off of it let's let's get him what they

1594
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:05,560
need um well they got that they got that
safety skills module yeah I just wish

1595
02:22:03,880 --> 02:22:08,800
that I didn't have to pay for that in
the work day to build I didn't want to

1596
02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:13,040
build my own content that makes sense I
don't I got it that's the only thing I

1597
02:22:10,840 --> 02:22:16,040
didn't like but I'm in work day yeah
work day I think you'd want to build

1598
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:19,920
your own content cuz they need tailor it
to your to your they don't know what we

1599
02:22:18,040 --> 02:22:23,319
we do I ain't sure let me work with them
on that and see if I don't want to spend

1600
02:22:21,640 --> 02:22:28,720
40 grand for it just to sit there I just
rather have but I'm seeing head shaking

1601
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:31,640
so they they want it yeah so yeah let's
give them well that's what I'm saying

1602
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:34,720
let me negotiate with them and figure
out I don't want to pay 40 G's and it

1603
02:22:33,319 --> 02:22:37,960
sit there and I don't get no content if
we ain't going to use anything we going

1604
02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:41,280
to use it I I cut that out right we
still have to use safety skills right

1605
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:45,160
but if I can figure out a way and it's
seamless and easy if it can Implement

1606
02:22:43,760 --> 02:22:47,520
what we have in that got remember I'm
paying 13 now and they're going to

1607
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:51,880
charge me
40 for say so you see what I'm saying

1608
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:56,439
I'm spending them negotiation skills
well I got it I so so is work day work

1609
02:22:54,720 --> 02:23:00,640
day come in different modules or is it
all pretty much no it's all in it's all

1610
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:04,960
inclusive yeah which really kind of they
got they have some things internally

1611
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:09,359
within the system called work processes
or what business processes or something

1612
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:13,000
that really write and we can write the
script for the see and that's one thing

1613
02:23:11,439 --> 02:23:17,240
I don't like about modules you got to
buy this module you got to buy that one

1614
02:23:14,960 --> 02:23:21,479
if you don't have it you know I mean I
like somebody that gives me all

1615
02:23:19,000 --> 02:23:26,720
everything they got and say technology
seem to be just a step above I'm telling

1616
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:31,520
you with the folks on the back there the
they U that uses their product they got

1617
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:34,279
to be stated the order those people's
going to drop them and move on to

1618
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:39,120
somebody else well here's the deal
they've got a uh cutting technology

1619
02:23:36,600 --> 02:23:43,600
helps take a lot off of y'all which I've
been studying since I've been up here so

1620
02:23:40,840 --> 02:23:47,720
it's kind of won me over so yeah you two
on the DSs board are y'all yall going to

1621
02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:51,640
like those dashboards with the time to
fi reports and turnarounds not just for

1622
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:54,680
the SS but for any Department I mean
they're they're slick and they're very

1623
02:23:53,399 --> 02:23:57,720
important get it right with your eyes
and see it so if we do this when's it

1624
02:23:56,520 --> 02:24:01,760
going to take place we're going to start
in January star in January we get this

1625
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:06,399
thing in by the end of the year that's
been our timeline as to start in January

1626
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:10,960
by the end of 2025 roughly yeah cuz it
10 months you start in January the end

1627
02:24:08,279 --> 02:24:15,200
of end of 25 this time next year
basically fingers crossed y basically

1628
02:24:13,319 --> 02:24:18,560
we're just paying extra money to get it
in now instead of w three get it in

1629
02:24:17,080 --> 02:24:23,359
Faster you're going to use it faster
than the other system so when you say

1630
02:24:20,120 --> 02:24:29,960
the $500,000 for implementation is that
people here or is that just online help

1631
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:33,680
I don't it's actually them doing some of
the implementation work we will meet

1632
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:37,319
with them talk to them what we want they
will go back and create the processes

1633
02:24:35,720 --> 02:24:41,040
that we want so these applications is
talking about they will do that yeah

1634
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:46,640
then then some of we're going to try to
do some of it um as well remotely in the

1635
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:52,120
sense of video conferences and things
like that and um we we tried as part of

1636
02:24:49,720 --> 02:24:58,080
what in Casey's negotiation with them to
try to limit the

1637
02:24:55,040 --> 02:25:01,399
onsite um work and travel once I talked
to him I didn't feel like I needed that

1638
02:24:59,279 --> 02:25:05,800
as much they they're pretty slick about
they put in a lot of systems online like

1639
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:08,960
that I just need somebody I I want that
expertise of I got a problem here help

1640
02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:13,760
me build that's how most of it's done
now by the good companies they they do

1641
02:25:10,840 --> 02:25:17,880
it and the other plus to workday is one
of the people that we worked with as we

1642
02:25:15,800 --> 02:25:21,120
talked through this lives in Davidson
County doesn't live very far away from

1643
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:24,760
here
so good so you can go put him in the car

1644
02:25:22,760 --> 02:25:29,880
if you have to he's offered he's offered
to help so yep okay sounds good thank

1645
02:25:27,880 --> 02:25:34,880
you Tony thank you all right y'all have
a great day okay thank you for coming

1646
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:37,200
yep hopefully this will make y'all's
life

1647
02:25:37,279 --> 02:25:47,319
better um permission uh side besides two
side besides the sheriff's department

1648
02:25:44,040 --> 02:25:51,279
uh whoever we finish this by
12:00 now we got to to a meeting he was

1649
02:25:50,080 --> 02:25:57,240
here but you had to go to a meeting with
the DA's office so you got my pretty

1650
02:25:53,840 --> 02:26:02,000
face all right what uh I guess the
question is what are yall use these for

1651
02:25:59,319 --> 02:26:07,080
what are you replacing some well we've
got the best I cuz I was not here when

1652
02:26:04,880 --> 02:26:12,120
any of the current ones is bought but
the best I've found

1653
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:17,560
out um we've got one that's a
four-seater it's the only one it's a

1654
02:26:14,319 --> 02:26:22,520
2,000 I'm don't hold me to the exact
year but best I've broke down is about a

1655
02:26:19,720 --> 02:26:28,960
2,000 your model it's piece of junk I'm
sorry it is we had it fixed cuz we

1656
02:26:25,960 --> 02:26:33,560
needed it for the barbecue festival so
we did we got it fixed took it got it

1657
02:26:31,319 --> 02:26:39,120
back took it to the barbecue
festival wouldn't crank so it's still on

1658
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:44,520
the trailer I've got to get it back to
sinks uh it's it's in the shop seems

1659
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:51,880
like more than it's sitting at our place
what is it a kwasaki too it is a kwasaki

1660
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:58,439
mule it's an old mule that is really in
18 years as said things that

1661
02:26:55,640 --> 02:27:03,720
evoled cross the curb but if you needed
to go across a ditch you're not taking

1662
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:08,520
any of ours they're not made for that
they're made for nice field work or

1663
02:27:06,040 --> 02:27:12,680
something like that they're not made for
search and rescue they're not made for

1664
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:17,080
going Offroad looking for a missing
person they're not made you know for a

1665
02:27:15,279 --> 02:27:23,200
wanted person that we've had to try to
use them but we didn't we had three one

1666
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:29,880
broke down the other one's a ' 07 model
it's a two-seater it's not made to go

1667
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:35,920
off-road it's made for field work flat
ground uh the John Deere I'm not sure

1668
02:27:33,279 --> 02:27:41,439
the model on it I'm assuming and some of
y'all were here you may bought it when

1669
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:47,319
the range was built it stays at the
range um it has our blue lights that we

1670
02:27:44,520 --> 02:27:51,520
have to have mandated I know
commissioner Shores understands that we

1671
02:27:49,359 --> 02:27:58,359
have to have blue headlights when we do
our qualification so it stays at the

1672
02:27:54,600 --> 02:28:04,840
range so that puts us down to the one
that we have right now um it's more of

1673
02:28:01,960 --> 02:28:09,720
we need to upgrade get something that
can get around a little bit better and

1674
02:28:07,160 --> 02:28:14,880
is more reliable cuz every one of them
is at least 18 years old they've been

1675
02:28:11,920 --> 02:28:19,560
here since darald hagy day yes yeah it's
here before my time yeah um what uh you

1676
02:28:17,880 --> 02:28:24,600
going to keep the one down at the range
then keep the one at the

1677
02:28:21,560 --> 02:28:28,640
range um and we'll probably keep the
kabot it's great for around the office

1678
02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:32,720
when we we're using stuff around the H
office hauling things from the storage

1679
02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:39,880
building from the evidence building back
up the kwasaki mill it needs to go so

1680
02:28:37,720 --> 02:28:43,840
Dwayne can put it on go deals see what
we can get out of it and you know if we

1681
02:28:42,319 --> 02:28:49,200
have to we can get rid of the you know
Kabota I don't have a problem with

1682
02:28:46,600 --> 02:28:53,520
that it's just so you're asking for one
or two

1683
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:57,080
too so we can we can turn into cabota
too that's

1684
02:28:54,720 --> 02:29:03,680
fine we just got to have something that
is reliable that when we need it we can

1685
02:28:59,960 --> 02:29:08,000
grab it and go um cuz the Farm Park we
have to use one at the Farm park at

1686
02:29:05,880 --> 02:29:14,080
least three times a year when we're
working that the barbecue festival um

1687
02:29:11,880 --> 02:29:18,040
there's another one I put it in whenever
I sent the email and I don't even

1688
02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:24,680
remember it now I can't remember are
they six seaters or for well they six

1689
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:30,279
take five or six okay the front is
usually a two and then the back you can

1690
02:29:26,479 --> 02:29:36,600
put three three okay and it it does have
a um tailgate the ones that we looked at

1691
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:39,680
if you needed to for whatever reason put
a stretcher in the back of it you fold

1692
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:43,520
the back down and you can throw a full
stretcher in the

1693
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:48,439
back cuz it would it has the convertible
where you can turn the back seat into

1694
02:29:46,040 --> 02:29:52,279
part of the bed okay I'd suggest if
we're going to buy two new ones just go

1695
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:58,600
and sell the two old ones the Kabota and
the other one and okay good with that

1696
02:29:54,399 --> 02:30:03,600
use the newer ones you know um I agree
so uh is this something y'all be willing

1697
02:30:00,760 --> 02:30:08,960
to spend your drug forfeiture money or
what I think we just spend it on the

1698
02:30:06,399 --> 02:30:13,319
cameras you got you got
more9

1699
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:17,200
some, uh the sheriff is not here I'd
rather for the sheriff to make that

1700
02:30:15,160 --> 02:30:23,680
determination that was not we were
looking at trying to use lap SAR

1701
02:30:21,279 --> 02:30:30,720
hard hard to use lap salary for that any
that can be used I know um lap salary

1702
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:34,160
can be used yes I know it can be asked
this morning did you at some point the

1703
02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:40,200
federal government's going to be
dropping quite a bit of money back for

1704
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:45,359
the hurricane duties that we've had to
to work now that could be six months

1705
02:30:43,319 --> 02:30:50,279
that could be a year we know how they
work but uh it seems here lately they're

1706
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:54,200
they're a little bit quicker getting
paperwork push I sure hate to you start

1707
02:30:52,359 --> 02:30:59,439
getting into using lap salaries to buy
equipment Casey I don't I mean this team

1708
02:30:56,680 --> 02:31:02,760
we got 280 and drug for for your money
so you got enough to do it major Craven

1709
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:06,680
I don't know you need to talk to sheriff
about that though and see if he's

1710
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:12,520
willing to take 40 out of that 280 to do
this I think so

1711
02:31:09,000 --> 02:31:15,240
uh rather than do the lap hours for this
I don't mind doing it but I would I'd

1712
02:31:14,080 --> 02:31:21,359
like to see it come out of the drug
forer cuz it it's going to open up a

1713
02:31:19,240 --> 02:31:27,160
pandor box if we start letting people
buy equipment with lap salaries so we've

1714
02:31:24,600 --> 02:31:31,840
done it before we we have I mean I don't
see why this is any

1715
02:31:29,479 --> 02:31:34,920
different well I mean I'm just not crazy
about using lap salaries I tell you that

1716
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:38,040
that's going down a bad road I don't
care if it's been done we done it as

1717
02:31:36,920 --> 02:31:41,960
this board
before uh I don't know but any let me go

1718
02:31:40,319 --> 02:31:48,240
back to this I'd be good with us buying
one and y'all buying one if you want to

1719
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:55,600
okay you know I will goe for that and we
take 40,000 I well be 40 be 20 yeah um I

1720
02:31:54,000 --> 02:32:00,600
I'll go ahead and let the sheriff know
and then let us know can I'm sure that's

1721
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:05,040
going to be good but I will I'll send
I'll let Casey know by the end of the so

1722
02:32:02,200 --> 02:32:09,399
that's us doing our part for for one and
then y'all doing

1723
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:13,479
Y what look well I was I was going to
tell him that I talked to CJ uh and

1724
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:18,160
again I'd like for y'all to do business
here in this County you know that's one

1725
02:32:15,720 --> 02:32:23,319
reason we went to CJ but also we needed
to get two more so I went to some of the

1726
02:32:21,200 --> 02:32:26,760
other ones I know one supplied them to
the highway patrol so I went to them cuz

1727
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:32,319
that was a pretty good deal and then I
went to another dealer that was Lo well

1728
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:36,560
not local but in the other County um
because I got with him this morning just

1729
02:32:34,840 --> 02:32:41,479
to see I mean you know these folks they
employee people here and they pay taxes

1730
02:32:39,080 --> 02:32:46,080
here and kind of a slap in the face when
you go somewhere else and buy

1731
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:51,200
some if the prices are are somewhat
comparable you know and he priced two of

1732
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:57,439
them out uh said he had both of them in
stock for $1

1733
02:32:54,359 --> 02:33:03,560
19595 plus tax and that's with a
windshield and a canopy and a wench well

1734
02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:09,960
actually it's um with a wiench it's a
Kawasaki Mule Pro fx1000 Le whatever

1735
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:15,760
that not the ranch law enforcement uh
yeah yeah Ranch Edition okay right Ranch

1736
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:18,640
Edition with canaby and windshield okay
and by looking at your prices and of

1737
02:33:17,279 --> 02:33:23,560
course I didn't tell him what your
prices were but looking at prices from

1738
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:28,520
down there and this looks comparable you
know and it it is from what I remember

1739
02:33:26,520 --> 02:33:33,200
yeah and I don't I don't with the winch
I don't see a winch on that uh yeah one

1740
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:37,800
of them had winches on there they all
should have had been with the winch

1741
02:33:35,560 --> 02:33:42,520
because that model comes with the winch
the ranch Edition comes with the winch

1742
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:47,000
yeah yeah I looked at that ranch Edition
several years back and I bought a Canam

1743
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:50,319
instead of the ranch but uh that's a
nice machine I like staying here because

1744
02:33:49,080 --> 02:33:53,880
we can take it right down the road get
it service get it worked on any

1745
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:57,120
maintenance right so I have this quote
here if you'll share your sale number

1746
02:33:55,680 --> 02:34:02,319
with me or something I'll forward it on
to you I don't know all right I'll get

1747
02:33:59,560 --> 02:34:08,359
it to Tim or whoever needs it Tim okay
I'll get it to you they all have okay um

1748
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:13,080
and that way but this is a windshield
and um whatever so yeah if you think

1749
02:34:11,479 --> 02:34:18,200
y'all good and yall good with us buying
one I'm I'm good with it and I I'm I'll

1750
02:34:16,439 --> 02:34:22,960
touch base with the sheriff and confirm
with him but I think that's a tradeoff

1751
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:27,479
you can't pass up all right man all
right and those two like I said let's

1752
02:34:25,080 --> 02:34:30,960
get those to go deal uh you might you
may want to keep it's not bad if you if

1753
02:34:29,240 --> 02:34:35,840
there's another agency in the county
that wants to use one the cabota yes but

1754
02:34:33,960 --> 02:34:42,520
I wouldn't take it Offroad it's great
for field maintenance I'd say parts

1755
02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:46,720
and parts and W there you go you want to
you want to look at it Thomas and see if

1756
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:50,840
not let's get them on gov deals okay
well i' like look at I know been talking

1757
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:54,960
to me about
some I got

1758
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:59,680
one
don't either he uses he gets the good

1759
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:04,359
out of them let's look and see if
another department needs it before we

1760
02:35:01,279 --> 02:35:11,160
put it on you know that cabota if you
can move it to another department yeah

1761
02:35:07,399 --> 02:35:15,560
right Vine for right but if CJ uh sink
you said yall had it at sink to get it

1762
02:35:13,479 --> 02:35:18,640
repaired and now it's not working again
that's the mule right I would go ahead

1763
02:35:17,319 --> 02:35:21,240
and get that back to him and see if they
can get it fixed so we can get

1764
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:25,160
we don't want to sell something over
here at deals it won't crank and so

1765
02:35:23,720 --> 02:35:28,880
that's the plan is get it back to him
sometime this week just time cuz they

1766
02:35:26,760 --> 02:35:33,359
done fix it one time right it didn't
work so and I'll I'll try to let him

1767
02:35:31,160 --> 02:35:37,640
know that so okay all right thank you
you all good with this going on consent

1768
02:35:34,920 --> 02:35:42,200
for yeah and make sure he gets back with
Cas or Tim or whoever he needs to with

1769
02:35:40,240 --> 02:35:47,800
the yes sir make sure the sheriff's good
thank you thank

1770
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:54,359
you all right mental health uh funding
uh case is not here here but I guess uh

1771
02:35:51,279 --> 02:35:59,720
uh no no no I'm sorry already did that
one Mr chairman the next one yeah we did

1772
02:35:57,520 --> 02:36:04,359
okay yeah go ahead with that one then
tax amendment for the zoning ordinance

1773
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:08,319
Mr cook thank you Mr chairman I got all
kind of marks down here good morning

1774
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:13,439
Madam uh commissioner fellow
Commissioners um last month at the the

1775
02:36:11,240 --> 02:36:16,760
uh the informational meeting we were
talking about a text Amendment for an

1776
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:22,359
event center adding an event center to
the zoning ordinance um we had IAL use

1777
02:36:20,040 --> 02:36:26,920
permits and and and development
standards and use by rights and all kind

1778
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:30,640
of different uh approval methods the
consensus I took away from the board at

1779
02:36:28,720 --> 02:36:35,880
that meeting was that you guys wanted
something that's a little bit more uh

1780
02:36:33,200 --> 02:36:41,479
property specific to be able to cater to
the each individual property a little

1781
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:45,960
bit more specifically so I we Ste back
from what we were looking at a little

1782
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:50,720
bit and talked with um Andrew how with
um M Mr Jones's office and what we're

1783
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:55,600
propos proposing and what we forwarded
to you is a new procedure a new approval

1784
02:36:54,319 --> 02:37:02,359
procedure called
CZ which would ask the applicant to

1785
02:36:59,160 --> 02:37:08,080
basically request a conditional zoning
uh rezoning application if they wanted

1786
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:13,240
to uh conduct this type of activity on
their property and and if you'll the

1787
02:37:11,279 --> 02:37:20,960
information that we sent to
you we

1788
02:37:15,479 --> 02:37:26,520
proposed having a CZ RC CZ CSC Z HC and
Allowed by right in Li and hi so if you

1789
02:37:24,840 --> 02:37:30,439
had a li or hi property you could have
an event center in an old industrial

1790
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:35,319
building or something like that but if
you were going to try to do this on any

1791
02:37:33,720 --> 02:37:41,680
other property what the staff would
probably recommend is you guys need to

1792
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:47,240
apply for a czrc out in a residential
area the RC District does not play by

1793
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:51,040
the same rules specifically as your Cs
and your HC you don't have to stick to

1794
02:37:49,279 --> 02:37:55,880
the Land Development plan is closely you
don't have to be at intersections those

1795
02:37:52,640 --> 02:37:59,200
are have a lot more obtrusive uses so if
if someone wanted to conduct an event

1796
02:37:57,680 --> 02:38:04,279
center on a piece of property this kind
of rule we'd ask them to apply for a

1797
02:38:01,880 --> 02:38:08,920
czrc then that would give us the tools
not dissimilar to the the recent

1798
02:38:06,479 --> 02:38:14,319
Davidson Craven application that we kind
of modified uh and and got very specific

1799
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:19,720
with the parcel this would give the
commission and staff and the plan board

1800
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:25,640
tools to look at the individual property
you know see the size set decel levels

1801
02:38:22,439 --> 02:38:30,800
set screening requirements Set uh you
know setbacks if if the board wanted to

1802
02:38:28,479 --> 02:38:35,319
do that it would in staff's opinion
offer a lot of flexibility for each

1803
02:38:32,680 --> 02:38:35,319
individual

1804
02:38:36,840 --> 02:38:47,600
parcel be happy to entertain any
questions any questions yeah motion go

1805
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:51,439
ahead commissioner McClure no I don't
have Oh I thought you said you did

1806
02:38:51,479 --> 02:38:59,319
all right so what do we need to do well
I I think we can maybe continue it and

1807
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:04,640
set it for a um you know the next
available Commissioners meeting to you

1808
02:39:02,120 --> 02:39:10,240
know vote on the uh Amendment maybe put
it on for the 25th to give us a do you

1809
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:15,040
have what is your thoughts on on U if
You' got a speaker who wants to allocate

1810
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:20,200
his time to another speaker I see that
in here but he can have no more than 6

1811
02:39:17,279 --> 02:39:23,600
minutes so what
is that NE is that something that that

1812
02:39:22,120 --> 02:39:30,319
you've seen in other meetings as
necessary that's not

1813
02:39:26,840 --> 02:39:34,640
that's I'm old school and I I I'm
believe believe we in the process if

1814
02:39:32,040 --> 02:39:40,560
we're off topic zoning ordinance request
what I me yeah they had Event Center we

1815
02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:40,560
on event we're we're on Event

1816
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:44,640
Center on a public

1817
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:52,760
hearing change I you're here I did have
some interest in that top no that's fine

1818
02:39:50,399 --> 02:39:56,760
I did have some interest in that topic
yeah throw that away from no that's okay

1819
02:39:54,800 --> 02:40:00,479
that's okay hey you fixing the answer
that's pretty good I was going to try to

1820
02:39:58,840 --> 02:40:05,520
come up with an answer they all talking
the same thing I P up wrong I'm a

1821
02:40:04,040 --> 02:40:08,680
Believer in the process and I think
people should have the opportunity to be

1822
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:12,160
heard you know earlier they was talking
about decimal points and on that's where

1823
02:40:10,359 --> 02:40:16,120
I was going with Event Center is that
where you was going with it or no I

1824
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:20,359
picked up on that yeah I'm talking to
Jason you said you had a reason for the

1825
02:40:18,040 --> 02:40:27,040
decimals too or
cuz the 55 was that's pretty strict the

1826
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:33,920
55 decel point is very strict that's
really strict yeah yeah cuz we we've set

1827
02:40:30,040 --> 02:40:38,520
70 kind of at Morrison's Grove and and
while it hadn't eliminated motor grass

1828
02:40:35,800 --> 02:40:43,680
they violating that's right well with
respect yeah with but we've set 70 at

1829
02:40:41,920 --> 02:40:47,640
the property line for morison's Grove
and that's greatly reduced the uh the

1830
02:40:46,040 --> 02:40:52,279
amount of complaints that we we've got
and there they said was 50 five five I

1831
02:40:50,279 --> 02:40:57,600
think the property
line that's pretty strict that's pretty

1832
02:40:55,120 --> 02:41:03,800
strict but we could we can you know
negotiate that the the drawback to the

1833
02:40:59,880 --> 02:41:08,840
CZ is that the applicant has to agree to
the condition but under the same premise

1834
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:12,560
you know it's a legislative action and
the board has authority to deny the

1835
02:41:10,520 --> 02:41:19,319
application if you're not comfortable
with what's taking place but it was

1836
02:41:15,960 --> 02:41:22,439
critical U Mr how said we needed to have
location in the ordinance and in the

1837
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:28,240
county where it is allowed by right
that's why we we left it in the Li and

1838
02:41:24,640 --> 02:41:32,279
the hi um to to so if you've got those
properties you you don't you just have

1839
02:41:29,720 --> 02:41:36,600
to get technical permits upfi permits
but most of these places are going to be

1840
02:41:34,560 --> 02:41:41,520
you know out in the country in rural
areas and we would we would kind of

1841
02:41:38,680 --> 02:41:46,080
direct them to ask for a czrc on their
property and and then we'd have all

1842
02:41:43,560 --> 02:41:52,000
those tools available to negotiate for
that specific site sounds okay thank you

1843
02:41:48,840 --> 02:41:56,359
yes sir thank you Mr could we have a
motion in a second to continue this to

1844
02:41:54,319 --> 02:42:02,000
November 25th since it is technically a
public hearing I have a motion motion

1845
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:08,160
have a second second all in favor any
opposed thank you thank you all all

1846
02:42:05,479 --> 02:42:14,279
right 7i discussion on changing public
hearing

1847
02:42:10,479 --> 02:42:14,279
procedures Mr

1848
02:42:16,680 --> 02:42:26,279
chairman I know you had sent it to me
here a while back about yes sir um I

1849
02:42:23,720 --> 02:42:30,640
sent this and the reason being
is I've witnessed and I have to be at a

1850
02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:36,439
lot of the county commissioner meetings
in Rockingham County and their procedure

1851
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:40,840
for public hearing seems to just seems
from somebody as a commissioner serving

1852
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:45,479
in Davidson County and going there from
the staff proposal it seems that it

1853
02:42:42,680 --> 02:42:51,600
operates a whole lot cleaner when you
have set limits of times to speak people

1854
02:42:48,439 --> 02:42:55,760
don't reoccur what somebody else is
saying in other words it's the

1855
02:42:52,880 --> 02:43:01,680
redundancy is down to zero the community
gets together they either focus with one

1856
02:42:59,160 --> 02:43:07,279
person they can relinquish their minutes
to speak if if Steve says what I feel

1857
02:43:05,319 --> 02:43:11,160
and then I was going to say the exact
same thing I can give my minutes to

1858
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:15,960
somebody else or I can give an
additional minutes to Steve as he

1859
02:43:12,880 --> 02:43:20,920
continues to speak or whatever so I I
think you know having a clear set like

1860
02:43:18,439 --> 02:43:25,240
that just tends to work out a little bit
better I'm not trying to say that you

1861
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:32,160
know we're trying to limit U the
citizens or anything like that but I do

1862
02:43:27,479 --> 02:43:38,359
think it's this is not just um a benefit
for for the the the people but what if

1863
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:42,279
you've got seven public hearings and the
first public hearing wants to talk to 12

1864
02:43:40,439 --> 02:43:46,680
at night is that fair to the other
citizens that need their stuff heard so

1865
02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:51,920
I I really think it's a benefit for us
to just having in the Chairman's uh

1866
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:56,520
wheelhouse to say you know here's what
we've got we've got a timer up once the

1867
02:43:54,160 --> 02:44:01,359
timer's done you have been heard
everybody gets a chance to be heard up

1868
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:05,200
into a percentage of time and the
community gets to decide most of the

1869
02:44:03,080 --> 02:44:09,920
times when these communities get in here
like the one we just had they've got a

1870
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:12,960
spokesperson anyhow and um you know we
want to hear what they've got to say but

1871
02:44:11,279 --> 02:44:17,399
it gives them the Hest to say get
together get your points out let us hear

1872
02:44:15,399 --> 02:44:23,359
it but then we can operate our meeting
in an efficient manner another thing

1873
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:28,080
another thing that uh is is different
that I want I'm asking you Chris how

1874
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:33,920
works out is the fact they have to sign
up they do and here we don't do that

1875
02:44:31,720 --> 02:44:40,200
yeah they they sign up they have their
stuff we we connect we get their

1876
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:44,040
information but um they sign up to speak
and we kind of already know that these

1877
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:48,200
are going to be the time limits and then
it helps the other people know who's on

1878
02:44:45,880 --> 02:44:52,120
the list so if they need a copy to
relinquish their time time to the next

1879
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:55,840
speaker or if they feel like anything's
not going to be done they can kind of

1880
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:59,359
get together and do that I'm going to
start off with Fred since he's done as

1881
02:44:57,399 --> 02:45:06,399
many public hearings as anybody in here
to see what his thoughts uh I

1882
02:45:02,040 --> 02:45:11,279
I I don't uh necessarily agree with that
because you you're going to cut people

1883
02:45:08,399 --> 02:45:17,040
off that might want to speak and whether
or not that person thinks that uh

1884
02:45:14,960 --> 02:45:23,040
somebody in front of him has said the
same thing is really not is really not a

1885
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:29,279
mood point if he wants to speak as
public hearing he ought to be able to

1886
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:34,800
speak and I have said on these things
with the animal

1887
02:45:31,240 --> 02:45:42,319
folks that I go on and on and
on but they have every effort every um

1888
02:45:39,160 --> 02:45:47,359
opportunity to speak at a public hearing
that's what the public hearing is for

1889
02:45:44,760 --> 02:45:51,960
and if we say well we're only going to
have five people speak or 10 people

1890
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:58,319
speak or it's only going to be 30
minutes then I I I think that we defeat

1891
02:45:55,040 --> 02:46:04,920
the the use of the public
hearing the whole idea of the public

1892
02:46:00,680 --> 02:46:10,640
hearing is for the public to be able to
speak right now uh I agree with

1893
02:46:10,840 --> 02:46:16,960
Fred if you stop and think about I
understand the need to be looking at

1894
02:46:15,000 --> 02:46:20,920
stuff like this but if you stop and
think about it we don't have that many

1895
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:24,680
and it's an occasion of what once in a
year once every couple years we don't

1896
02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:30,479
have that many and I agree that the
public deserves their day in court if if

1897
02:46:27,720 --> 02:46:30,479
you will you

1898
02:46:31,800 --> 02:46:40,120
know I would just like to say
because that's right I would just like

1899
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:44,800
to say because I know that um certain
Commissioners in Rockingham County

1900
02:46:41,560 --> 02:46:50,720
listen I would doubt that Kevin berer or
Mark Richardson or any of these

1901
02:46:47,840 --> 02:46:57,840
conservative Republican Commissioners
would ever relinquish the time or duties

1902
02:46:54,560 --> 02:47:03,160
of a citizen to to say that that the
policy that they've got put in place is

1903
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:08,840
trying to limit a Citizens time to be
able to speak their opinion I think is

1904
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:14,560
is just asinine to me I just think it's
it's government efficiency now what it

1905
02:47:12,160 --> 02:47:17,720
does is it sets in line the duty that
the chairman of the Board of

1906
02:47:15,560 --> 02:47:22,880
Commissioners already has it's written
in stone that the chairman at any time

1907
02:47:19,880 --> 02:47:27,120
can set a speaker one speaker on behalf
of the community that's written in our

1908
02:47:24,880 --> 02:47:31,439
state constitution it's written in our
state constitution that we have every

1909
02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:38,040
right to put a limit to to make sure
that our our meetings go on as plan and

1910
02:47:36,040 --> 02:47:42,920
it and it also limits the fact that if
you did have a group of individuals who

1911
02:47:40,120 --> 02:47:48,240
tried to make a mockery of this board
and that meeting they could they could

1912
02:47:45,399 --> 02:47:52,439
hold hostage this group and we could
have an UNL limited amount of speakers

1913
02:47:50,200 --> 02:47:55,960
for an unlimited turn of minutes which
is not

1914
02:47:53,560 --> 02:48:00,840
okay I'm just trying to bring that out
there it's never been done but it could

1915
02:47:58,359 --> 02:48:05,000
be done and if you look at the you know
things that's going on in the community

1916
02:48:02,359 --> 02:48:10,200
if they wanted to bring a 100 people and
we don't have a set term or a guideline

1917
02:48:08,040 --> 02:48:13,760
on how to operate these meetings it's
not doing us any good and it's not doing

1918
02:48:12,000 --> 02:48:18,560
anybody else that's on the agenda any
good if they want to speak that's my

1919
02:48:15,359 --> 02:48:23,359
only reason and gentlemen Mr and Madam
yeah the only the only thing that I

1920
02:48:21,359 --> 02:48:27,680
would say to that and it's not it's not
a disagreement with You Chris yes sir is

1921
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:32,080
you you said yourself it's already
written in stone is in the Constitution

1922
02:48:29,479 --> 02:48:36,359
it's already written what chairman could
do so why why would we what is the need

1923
02:48:34,439 --> 02:48:40,800
to duplicate when the chairman already
has that

1924
02:48:37,399 --> 02:48:46,520
Authority I can add on that yeah we have
in the past especially where we've had

1925
02:48:43,880 --> 02:48:53,680
um a long public hearing we have asked
the people that uh if they have had

1926
02:48:49,560 --> 02:48:58,520
their piece covered that they would give
it up and they they have been very good

1927
02:48:55,560 --> 02:49:03,040
in doing that we've had people say well
you know we don't want you know we call

1928
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:08,359
on somebody because they have the hand R
you you say well we've already covered

1929
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:13,560
ours we don't need to go up and and
we've done that and it's been very

1930
02:49:10,520 --> 02:49:19,120
successful with the exception of the
animal things and with the animal things

1931
02:49:16,520 --> 02:49:23,399
that they they won't speak
and I mean you know they come from I

1932
02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:28,720
tried to limit to Davidson County you
can't do

1933
02:49:25,080 --> 02:49:33,239
that I just when I was talking to these
commissioners before bringing it in

1934
02:49:31,080 --> 02:49:42,760
front of the chairman and and the rest
of my my board members uh here uh I was

1935
02:49:38,319 --> 02:49:48,080
asking them pros and cons and the cons
that they've had from having this policy

1936
02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:52,880
in Rockingham County has been zero
because every everybody knows up front

1937
02:49:49,880 --> 02:49:57,600
what the public hearing policy is what
the what the minutes are what's going to

1938
02:49:54,640 --> 02:50:03,319
be stated and they haven't had anybody
complain so I did not think it was going

1939
02:50:00,520 --> 02:50:09,399
to be an intrusive policy but I thought
it would be one that could be clearly

1940
02:50:05,160 --> 02:50:15,239
stated legally backed and uh could could
help all the citizens be heard in a

1941
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:21,000
timely manner in in instances where we
have seven public hearings and um

1942
02:50:19,399 --> 02:50:24,160
I just thought it would be beneficial to
all the citizens Adam I got a question

1943
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:29,239
for you then I'm going to leave I'm
gonna have you my fellow board members

1944
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:33,800
here in this conversation does the
Constitution give the chairman the right

1945
02:50:31,239 --> 02:50:38,600
to only limit one person in a public
hearing

1946
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:45,000
well when I Casey asked me to look at
this question about um you

1947
02:50:41,800 --> 02:50:50,800
know Mr Elliott had had um you know had
provided I guess it was Mr Elliott who

1948
02:50:46,520 --> 02:50:57,200
had provided the the sample um so you
know the board I mean under the state

1949
02:50:53,920 --> 02:51:05,160
statute does have the ability to limit I
mean to pass rules and that would limit

1950
02:51:01,880 --> 02:51:10,800
um you know for example the ma time I
get it do all that stuff um and then

1951
02:51:09,520 --> 02:51:16,760
there's you know there's a lot of
positive case law about you know the

1952
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:22,960
fact that you know not everybody has to
be given an opportunity to get up

1953
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:28,200
speak um you know so I so what I think
what it comes down to is you know what

1954
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:34,359
is this what is this board comfortable
doing now me in terms of your I mean

1955
02:51:30,399 --> 02:51:41,479
your specific question about um you know
in terms of the the chair authori being

1956
02:51:38,479 --> 02:51:46,120
able to just I mean you you can run I
mean you do you know have the authority

1957
02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:51,399
to run I mean you are running the
meeting I mean um but but I would think

1958
02:51:49,640 --> 02:51:56,760
not to disagree with Chris but I would
think they would it would be hard to

1959
02:51:53,239 --> 02:52:02,080
have any kind of law that would have one
person like me as a chair uh as or

1960
02:51:59,279 --> 02:52:06,120
whoever the chairman may be to only say
one person could speak in a public

1961
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:11,439
hearing because then you're really not
having a a public and I and I don't I

1962
02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:15,319
yeah I I I think if you're going to have
if you're going to set

1963
02:52:13,080 --> 02:52:19,760
rules like that I think it's something
that you would need to do in advance I

1964
02:52:17,319 --> 02:52:23,840
mean I I you saying I think that those
are rules that you would need to set I

1965
02:52:21,279 --> 02:52:28,880
don't think that you could from the
chair position I don't think you could

1966
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:33,600
just say I'm I'm limiting it
to you know a single person just you

1967
02:52:32,120 --> 02:52:37,000
know and I never would agree to that to
me it needs to be a board decision but

1968
02:52:35,399 --> 02:52:41,200
on the other hand it'd be hard for me to
believe you could only allow one person

1969
02:52:38,600 --> 02:52:45,399
to speak at a public hearing you know
yeah my my position because again it's a

1970
02:52:43,560 --> 02:52:49,840
public hearing you know if we're
debating law we should have had the law

1971
02:52:47,720 --> 02:52:54,720
ready and ail a before this meeting I'm
not trying to statute but if we're if

1972
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:59,479
we're going to debate this and staff
knows that this is going to be a

1973
02:52:55,880 --> 02:53:03,960
contentious argument and I'm just saying
I'm just saying just hold on a minute

1974
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:08,120
and we knew that we were going to have
this information brought out and we

1975
02:53:05,439 --> 02:53:12,120
should have had the exact law you know
for North Carolina based on the Board of

1976
02:53:10,319 --> 02:53:19,680
Commissioners what the commissioner's
Authority is well I I I do have it it's

1977
02:53:14,680 --> 02:53:24,920
I mean so the statute is is 153 A- 52
and um and it says that the board May

1978
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:29,880
adopt reasonable rules governing the
conduct of public hearings including

1979
02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:34,760
been unlimited to rules fixing the time
the maximum time allowed to each

1980
02:53:32,399 --> 02:53:40,160
speaker providing for the designation of
spokespeople for groups of people who

1981
02:53:37,479 --> 02:53:45,840
are spokes people for groups that's what
not just saying one person can speak but

1982
02:53:42,520 --> 02:53:49,479
spokes people for groups continue on um
providing for the selection of delegates

1983
02:53:48,080 --> 02:53:54,800
you know people who have the same
position similar to what yeah and I've

1984
02:53:52,800 --> 02:53:58,319
already went through this before in
meetings prior have you been a part of

1985
02:53:56,399 --> 02:54:01,960
it I know Fred is because we discussed
this some time before I can go ahead and

1986
02:54:00,479 --> 02:54:05,600
tell the consensus of the board's
probably not to approve this and I I'm

1987
02:54:03,880 --> 02:54:09,200
fine with no I'm not saying that I'm
saying I want to know if the chairman

1988
02:54:07,479 --> 02:54:12,560
has that Authority or not because that's
the part I've never heard you do have

1989
02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:15,920
that author I know what this board can
do as a consensus we can come up with

1990
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:20,120
any kind of rules as a chairman you have
that yes sir I would like for you to

1991
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:24,640
double check that because I will do that
do some research because again to me

1992
02:54:22,239 --> 02:54:28,279
that's giv one person The
Authority it's kind of like we talking

1993
02:54:26,520 --> 02:54:33,960
about before about attorneys back there
sometimes I think I'm one Casey does and

1994
02:54:31,279 --> 02:54:38,560
I'm far from that but it's it's hard for
me to believe that one person would have

1995
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:45,319
that kind of authority in a public
hearing because uh it's difficult when

1996
02:54:41,720 --> 02:54:51,080
you get in situation because it during
the public hearings you generally have

1997
02:54:47,840 --> 02:54:56,479
people who think of a question that they
would like to discuss that wasn't

1998
02:54:53,520 --> 02:55:02,359
brought up by the other people and they
would be that would eliminate them from

1999
02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:07,319
being able to give their
opinion see what I'm saying yeah but I I

2000
02:55:05,520 --> 02:55:13,319
kind of it it happens especially where
you have a lot of pros and cons from the

2001
02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:20,800
board and from the speakers did you put
up that policy Mr uh Casey for everybody

2002
02:55:17,479 --> 02:55:25,520
to read that I sent you from Lance is it
not attached to the item I didn't see it

2003
02:55:22,399 --> 02:55:28,520
it is it's in our there it is for some
reason I couldn't pull like I said the

2004
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:31,640
other night after that public hearing
you have some that even come up with

2005
02:55:30,040 --> 02:55:35,880
questions after the public hearing's
closed you know so you always going to

2006
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:41,239
have that that's I thought that was
spoken of in there in

2007
02:55:38,399 --> 02:55:44,080
their additional matters what I don't
really have a problem with and then

2008
02:55:42,560 --> 02:55:48,960
we'll get to y'all well y'all go ahead
first okay well let me let me go ahead

2009
02:55:47,080 --> 02:55:53,560
the
this one as written I think the problem

2010
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:59,960
is the 30 minute time limit okay you
know I think that's if you give three

2011
02:55:56,399 --> 02:56:05,000
minutes okay that's only 10 people you
know that's that's that's only 10 people

2012
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:11,359
um if they don't want to give up their
um time you know and you know some of

2013
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:17,000
these contentious but I think more than
anything the way the way you've

2014
02:56:14,040 --> 02:56:22,800
conducted Fred the ones of us that I've
seen be chair when we I think it's a

2015
02:56:19,760 --> 02:56:27,160
case by case basis is is what you kind
of have to look at I've seen like

2016
02:56:25,160 --> 02:56:34,560
commissioner
um what's my name what's your name

2017
02:56:30,279 --> 02:56:38,880
Todd obviously commissioner y obvious me
ince y I'm good I do the same thing all

2018
02:56:37,399 --> 02:56:45,840
time I'm getting
tired terrible we've as we moved through

2019
02:56:42,880 --> 02:56:50,560
the meeting we've changed things you
know to make it run a little bit better

2020
02:56:48,279 --> 02:56:55,239
like the other night with him saying
again I would like for you to consider

2021
02:56:53,200 --> 02:56:59,399
whether you've already what you're going
to say has already been said and a lot

2022
02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:03,600
of them all only just need to be
reminded of that and they'll sit back in

2023
02:57:01,720 --> 02:57:10,239
their chair and they will not get up and
speak so I think it's a case by case uh

2024
02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:16,479
as to the you know contentiousness of
the situation and I like the way the

2025
02:57:13,239 --> 02:57:23,359
chairman has the ability to do that you
know and over time as we get older we do

2026
02:57:19,600 --> 02:57:28,279
a better job you know of of being chair
and conducting the meeting so I don't

2027
02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:32,399
believe I would CH I don't I don't
believe I would change it from what

2028
02:57:29,760 --> 02:57:37,640
we're doing I just think the chair needs
to

2029
02:57:33,600 --> 02:57:43,200
be mindful of trying to get it to move
along keep it going and I think I I

2030
02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:48,319
think that's up to us Mr chairman if I
can kind of add into this a little bit

2031
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:52,880
cuz I I would suspect and commissioner
can correct me if I'm wrong working

2032
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:56,720
having worked in Alamance County this
policy was probably written by the same

2033
02:57:54,279 --> 02:58:02,160
attorney yeah that's it was similar
thing in Alamance we had public hearings

2034
02:57:59,600 --> 02:58:07,600
where like we do now here and it was
implemented with uh some guidelines on

2035
02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:11,479
time for speakers um I think
commissioner Watford made a good point

2036
02:58:09,239 --> 02:58:15,120
the 30 minute time limit kind of Narrows
down if you got a room full of people

2037
02:58:12,840 --> 02:58:19,720
that's 10 people that's right yeah it is
but not having a time limit on an

2038
02:58:17,520 --> 02:58:24,319
individual speaker allows an individual
speaker to monopolize potentially the

2039
02:58:22,000 --> 02:58:27,680
room I've never seen it happen here
since I've been in Davidson County but I

2040
02:58:25,800 --> 02:58:31,720
have seen in other places you city of
Greensboro that's happened before

2041
02:58:29,239 --> 02:58:37,560
happened in Alamance before it's
possible you know that that so just kind

2042
02:58:34,120 --> 02:58:42,600
of putting that out there as well but if
that's the case

2043
02:58:40,239 --> 02:58:49,319
Jason is it not
the forgive me is it not the Chairman's

2044
02:58:45,680 --> 02:58:53,760
purview to say to stop it Mr
you for 30 minutes we've done that've

2045
02:58:52,359 --> 02:58:59,319
done that I believe we've heard what
you've got to say not legally Point

2046
02:58:56,120 --> 02:59:02,880
become a disruption of the meeting and
that's a different issue if you said

2047
02:59:00,680 --> 02:59:07,560
it's the state constitution yeah you
said it was in the Constitution has to

2048
02:59:05,000 --> 02:59:12,120
be listed it has to be listed before can
I you read the whole thing can I can I

2049
02:59:09,880 --> 02:59:19,239
just just well we've done it anyway
interject quickly on this I so we we do

2050
02:59:15,239 --> 02:59:27,600
currently have a rule in our you know in
in our rules of procedure for for this

2051
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:34,040
board um we do and it's it's rule 28 and
it says that public hearings required by

2052
02:59:30,200 --> 02:59:40,040
law um or deemed advisable by the
board um you know at at the time that

2053
02:59:38,279 --> 02:59:47,160
you set the
hearing you can what this what this

2054
02:59:43,479 --> 02:59:49,840
calls for is that you can set forth you
know any rules regarding the length of

2055
02:59:48,880 --> 02:59:55,239
time
allotted um you know and designating

2056
02:59:52,640 --> 03:00:01,680
Representatives right um and then it
says at the pointed time the chair uh

2057
02:59:57,800 --> 03:00:06,080
you know the chair will you know will
have the you you'll have the ability to

2058
03:00:03,479 --> 03:00:13,880
enforce that um so what the what the
rules call for now is essentially it's a

2059
03:00:09,680 --> 03:00:18,760
caseby casee situation so if you feel
like you know an upcoming hearing is

2060
03:00:16,840 --> 03:00:26,600
going to
require something you know some kind of

2061
03:00:21,960 --> 03:00:32,640
a time limit or you know definitive
closing time you know per person or you

2062
03:00:29,880 --> 03:00:37,120
know for the entire hearing you can set
that at the time you set the public

2063
03:00:35,000 --> 03:00:41,080
hearing so I think I think what Mr
Elliott is is proposing would be to you

2064
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:48,200
know
to to make it you know a more of a a

2065
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:54,359
uniform so so we can we can set each
time at a uh at each individual meeting

2066
03:00:51,880 --> 03:00:59,439
yes yes so you can but I but I do think
that's something that should be set

2067
03:00:56,040 --> 03:01:05,439
forth you know so when at the time that
you set the public hearing you you would

2068
03:01:02,800 --> 03:01:10,000
want to state in the hearing
notice you know what the rules are going

2069
03:01:08,040 --> 03:01:15,479
to be you know and here's something I'm
going to say a little bit um I I don't

2070
03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:19,800
think 30 minutes is long enough I don't
either but I think maybe we should do an

2071
03:01:17,399 --> 03:01:23,800
hour yeah I agree with an you know what
I

2072
03:01:21,080 --> 03:01:29,040
mean just like we had one public hearing
go sorry to interrupt you but it it went

2073
03:01:26,040 --> 03:01:33,640
to 2:00 in the morning yeah and you know
so because again most of it we do hear

2074
03:01:31,960 --> 03:01:36,760
it's the same thing even though you tell
them not speak about the same thing it's

2075
03:01:35,359 --> 03:01:42,279
the same thing but also puts the
chairman in a bad position with the way

2076
03:01:39,439 --> 03:01:45,760
the rules are now if he if he marks a
public hearing and says now these

2077
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:49,800
individuals I'm only going to allow them
speak but we don't have a policy that's

2078
03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:56,680
broad now it looks like he's pointing
them out so having a policy that at

2079
03:01:53,359 --> 03:02:02,080
least is somewhat Broad and in fact
covers the it it does not make the

2080
03:02:00,279 --> 03:02:10,120
chairman look like he's trying to point
a specific group out I I attended a a

2081
03:02:06,800 --> 03:02:16,279
public hearing recently where well
something not too long ago but we know

2082
03:02:12,040 --> 03:02:23,359
what it was I think in the city the uh
board gave an hour and a half for those

2083
03:02:19,479 --> 03:02:27,479
who want to speak in favor and an hour
and a half for those who want to speak

2084
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:31,680
in opposition to it it ended up calling
the meeting and it's been postponed to

2085
03:02:29,680 --> 03:02:36,880
later on because they got so far out of
hand and so long that but they they they

2086
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:41,880
laid it out but they didn't adhar to it
because the first speaker was uh spoke

2087
03:02:39,640 --> 03:02:46,840
three hours well see I think I think the
three minute limit is is a definite you

2088
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:53,120
got to have that so nobody can
dictate disagree on the on our public

2089
03:02:49,840 --> 03:02:57,520
comment we limit them to three minutes
you're right on the public hearing we

2090
03:02:55,239 --> 03:03:02,800
don't they get hearing they ought to be
able um to express their

2091
03:03:00,600 --> 03:03:07,319
opinion but I don't think Fred they
should be able to talk three hours amen

2092
03:03:05,239 --> 03:03:11,319
and I I think that what we're talking
about here is something that doesn't

2093
03:03:08,840 --> 03:03:16,080
particularly apply to this board because
I hadn't heard anybody come here and

2094
03:03:13,479 --> 03:03:21,600
want to speak an hour or even three
hours or EX 30 minutes I go to this

2095
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:26,640
public hearing will take you with me but
they could most of the most of the time

2096
03:03:24,040 --> 03:03:30,160
it's done you know and it's over but but
I'm just saying I don't know like an

2097
03:03:28,080 --> 03:03:35,720
hour again most of the time and I and
I'm forgiving everybody their right to

2098
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:42,600
speak everybody knows that um but you
know in an hour you should have enough

2099
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:48,800
time should to know all the issues at
hand how about this Mr chairman cuz I've

2100
03:03:45,160 --> 03:03:53,359
had this done before how about the hour
for the the total public hearing right

2101
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:57,760
and then each person gets five minutes
to

2102
03:03:54,600 --> 03:04:02,800
speak with the ability to speak twice
and once I spoke once I've spoken twice

2103
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:06,520
on a subject that's my 10 minutes and I
should be

2104
03:04:03,880 --> 03:04:11,200
done that get pretty complicated to keep
up with you know a little bit I mean I I

2105
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:17,840
don't have any problem with it with the
women that that would

2106
03:04:13,479 --> 03:04:21,840
cut the animal folks down to to an hour
I don't have any problem with that when

2107
03:04:19,720 --> 03:04:26,239
when I first was on the board they were
doing the uh Planning and Zoning

2108
03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:32,239
remember when they started doing that
and they had to go down to the theater

2109
03:04:29,680 --> 03:04:38,479
down there to have the hearing now that
was a long hearing another one was when

2110
03:04:34,720 --> 03:04:43,880
we when we tried to do the uh public
hearing on the yetkin before when we

2111
03:04:41,279 --> 03:04:48,239
went to several different places to to
see what theirs was but we haven't had a

2112
03:04:46,920 --> 03:04:55,479
situation
in in my knowledge that that went that

2113
03:04:52,880 --> 03:05:02,359
way the only ones that I've seen are the
ones with kids and the ones with pets

2114
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:06,040
and those tend to go longer than yeah we
we ain't had a whole lot of trouble with

2115
03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:10,600
it but again and you there's no problem
with announcing at the beginning

2116
03:05:08,200 --> 03:05:15,600
especially if you if you have it that
the announce that

2117
03:05:12,520 --> 03:05:20,359
the item for such and such will be
limited to an hour you I don't think you

2118
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:25,319
can have yeah but I think like you said
we kind of need to set it up as a board

2119
03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:32,239
yeah yeah and and I think it's you
know I don't I I don't want to speak for

2120
03:05:28,720 --> 03:05:39,160
Casey but I I think you know what what
we're looking to you know the board you

2121
03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:44,200
know at this meeting is to sort of
determine is this something that you all

2122
03:05:41,960 --> 03:05:49,120
are interested in pursuing further and
if if that's the case you know sort of

2123
03:05:46,680 --> 03:05:54,960
let us know what the General sort of
what the general um you know premises

2124
03:05:52,560 --> 03:06:00,520
are that you would want us to cover and
then we could go back and kind of draft

2125
03:05:57,399 --> 03:06:07,239
a policy you know that would be you know
that would that would be geared towards

2126
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:12,960
ex you know how you want it to be um you
know and it and I guess you know a big

2127
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:17,720
part of this is this deciding in advance
or deciding you know whether you want to

2128
03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:24,840
to do something more specific you know
is you know are are you satisfied with

2129
03:06:21,319 --> 03:06:31,080
the current rule where you know you
could set you know you could set

2130
03:06:27,720 --> 03:06:36,560
parameters on time you know and
representation you know on a Case by

2131
03:06:33,479 --> 03:06:40,720
case basis and and you really as Casey
said I think you would need to do it in

2132
03:06:38,359 --> 03:06:47,800
advance um you know and publish it in
the hearing notice or do you want to you

2133
03:06:44,479 --> 03:06:53,920
know adopt you know specific time limit
that will apply across the board always

2134
03:06:51,680 --> 03:07:00,520
you know for all hearings so I mean
that's seems to be kind of the you know

2135
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:06,760
a big part of the pro thought process
there I think that bring about that

2136
03:07:04,080 --> 03:07:10,120
though is our public hearings are set at
the same time that the planning board

2137
03:07:08,239 --> 03:07:14,040
public hearings are set they don't even
know whether it's contested at that

2138
03:07:11,319 --> 03:07:17,600
point in time I mean we do have some
that like David and Craven we knew it

2139
03:07:15,479 --> 03:07:22,600
was going to be contested but they they
had things that come up that they don't

2140
03:07:19,200 --> 03:07:25,640
see being contested and their we've
already scheduled a public hearing

2141
03:07:23,920 --> 03:07:32,120
before they've had theirs and and I
don't want to look I don't I don't want

2142
03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:37,800
the board as a whole to look you
know to look like we're aggressive

2143
03:07:34,600 --> 03:07:43,239
towards any party we we just I I think
it'd be beneficial just for the citizens

2144
03:07:41,080 --> 03:07:47,600
of Davon County just to have a policy
that was Broad and whatever we voted it

2145
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:50,279
would be beneficial for them too because
people's got to sit out there and hear

2146
03:07:48,680 --> 03:07:54,279
the same thing we got to hear over and
over and over too you know I mean and

2147
03:07:52,560 --> 03:07:57,960
again they talk about traffic well we
don't have anything to do with traffic

2148
03:07:55,800 --> 03:08:01,680
they don't understand that but if do
gives them a permit then that's traffic

2149
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:05,120
is not really ours I get it they want us
to hear it and I'm listening but again

2150
03:08:03,720 --> 03:08:09,479
we don't have a whole lot to say about
the traffic part of it but again we may

2151
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:13,560
be doing them a favor because they ain't
got to sit here till midnight especially

2152
03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:19,720
if you're the hearing behind that I
think the hour limit is is something

2153
03:08:16,239 --> 03:08:25,319
that we could and do and and limit
it I don't see a problem with that I

2154
03:08:22,120 --> 03:08:30,840
have a problem individually yeah we had
to situation come up where we had the uh

2155
03:08:28,720 --> 03:08:35,760
people down there at the lake I think or
maybe maybe was at the lake where they

2156
03:08:32,760 --> 03:08:40,399
had uh disables where the guys was
having parties down there and he was

2157
03:08:37,880 --> 03:08:44,560
doing it all nice long we we talked to
those people two or three times and it

2158
03:08:42,960 --> 03:08:50,319
was one of those things that we wanted
to try to get the folks the staff to do

2159
03:08:47,479 --> 03:08:53,880
do something about and look into and and
that happens hey like I said you just

2160
03:08:52,680 --> 03:08:58,800
tell them at the beginning of the
meeting look we got an hour be mindful

2161
03:08:56,040 --> 03:09:03,680
of other people's time say say what you
want to say and be mindful that we only

2162
03:09:01,319 --> 03:09:09,600
have a total of an hour but go ahead and
once this policy if it's adopted I can

2163
03:09:05,720 --> 03:09:13,800
see where it would be beneficial to get
opposition organized you know you get

2164
03:09:11,920 --> 03:09:19,840
your speakers you get your points and
your ideas across but to be so

2165
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:23,640
restricted that you disenfranchise the
citizen uh where they don't feel like

2166
03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:28,760
they get there that's The Balancing Act
and I I don't envy you sitting in that

2167
03:09:25,960 --> 03:09:33,319
chair because that the the I'm I'm a
Believer in the process I've been doing

2168
03:09:30,359 --> 03:09:39,479
this 31 years I remember the pedmont
chemical uh public hearing that last

2169
03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:45,319
well past midnight so I I could see a
benefit to to limiting the time frame

2170
03:09:42,840 --> 03:09:48,120
and and you know up front you're going
to have an hour you're going to have an

2171
03:09:46,760 --> 03:09:52,840
hour and a half whatever that that
number is that helps the opposition and

2172
03:09:50,560 --> 03:09:56,080
the applicant get organized and get the
points across where you're not just

2173
03:09:54,600 --> 03:10:00,399
peace Mill here and the same things
again so what is a good time an hour

2174
03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:05,080
hour and a half what what's a good time
it's it's got subjective based on the

2175
03:10:02,920 --> 03:10:08,200
the content of the but I'm just saying
what would your thoughts be an hour

2176
03:10:06,120 --> 03:10:12,680
would be proba I think an hour would
probably be adequate you you can shoot

2177
03:10:10,040 --> 03:10:16,319
for that but if you have something like
a pedmont chemical or or something where

2178
03:10:14,800 --> 03:10:19,920
you're taking in a lot of technical
information a larger project you you

2179
03:10:18,600 --> 03:10:23,319
could maybe make an exception to the
rule and say hour and a half for the

2180
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:27,120
entire public hearing and I'm on the
chairman would have that right to add

2181
03:10:24,840 --> 03:10:30,880
another 30 minutes at the time we would
write that into the policy that that

2182
03:10:29,000 --> 03:10:37,600
would be don't don't need to write it in
you just do it do that yeah you have um

2183
03:10:34,680 --> 03:10:43,560
then that pedm chemical thing we had
more discussion amongst the board than

2184
03:10:40,520 --> 03:10:49,239
we had from the citizens so the majority
of the of the upon time we spent was

2185
03:10:46,800 --> 03:10:54,680
back in forth with the cuz it was very
contentious it was ultimately declined

2186
03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:59,880
the reason why I continue to say right
into a policy is because these are Quasi

2187
03:10:57,479 --> 03:11:07,000
judicial these are public hearings this
is a legislative deal and to hold up in

2188
03:11:03,640 --> 03:11:12,120
court what I've been advised of by by
councils and and even our councils that

2189
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:18,359
if we have a firm policy that we stand
before of if if it if it's not been done

2190
03:11:16,359 --> 03:11:23,160
before we give notice of the public
hearing not the public hearing it has to

2191
03:11:21,120 --> 03:11:27,680
be given the rules and procedures at the
notice of the public hearing so at that

2192
03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:32,120
point in time before meetings might be
happening or whatever the chairman has

2193
03:11:29,720 --> 03:11:36,160
to then name these things if we have a
policy it's done we don't have to think

2194
03:11:34,279 --> 03:11:40,479
about it and I think I know this board
hears you know legislative public

2195
03:11:38,080 --> 03:11:45,560
hearings and quasa judicial hearings I
think you you'd have to be a lot more

2196
03:11:42,040 --> 03:11:48,760
relaxed in theal setting because if an
applicant doesn't feel like they have

2197
03:11:47,279 --> 03:11:54,880
what time and Adam can maybe speak to
this to get their points in because if

2198
03:11:51,399 --> 03:12:00,359
it moves up Beyond this decision the
judge bases the whole decision on the

2199
03:11:57,080 --> 03:12:04,080
record and and that you know so the the
for a quasi judicial hearing you'd have

2200
03:12:02,680 --> 03:12:08,200
to be a little bit more relaxed you'd
have to give about as much time as they

2201
03:12:06,319 --> 03:12:13,680
pretty much as much time as they needed
yeah or they felt like they needed and I

2202
03:12:10,760 --> 03:12:19,319
don't think that it the the Board needs
permission to extend time on anything no

2203
03:12:16,680 --> 03:12:24,640
I I I don't think they do either um you
have limit if the applicant understands

2204
03:12:22,399 --> 03:12:29,160
you don't think everybody's heard you
can extend it well if the applicant

2205
03:12:26,800 --> 03:12:32,880
understands you got extra amount of time
it's a gift to really get more time you

2206
03:12:31,359 --> 03:12:37,120
do so I think
that yeah all right if everybody's good

2207
03:12:35,439 --> 03:12:41,560
with it I mean why don't we start off
with an hour and let's just again if it

2208
03:12:39,279 --> 03:12:45,680
don't work we can see I mean so will
that be an hour for and an hour against

2209
03:12:43,640 --> 03:12:49,399
or just hour
total yeah

2210
03:12:47,960 --> 03:12:52,560
yeah I mean if that was something that
they could just include in their public

2211
03:12:50,680 --> 03:12:56,479
hearing notice that the that the public
hearings would be limited to an hour

2212
03:12:54,399 --> 03:13:02,760
right right and maybe amend the rules of
procedure well right so I I mean I guess

2213
03:12:59,560 --> 03:13:07,560
the question is is do you
want you want it to be I mean it it

2214
03:13:05,200 --> 03:13:12,479
would appear it would appear in your
your

2215
03:13:08,319 --> 03:13:17,319
notices but I guess question is you know
would you be do you think it would be

2216
03:13:14,479 --> 03:13:24,600
satisfactory to just start putting that
in the Public Notices as a as a matter

2217
03:13:20,560 --> 03:13:28,680
of course and you know and if we and if
we wouldn't that wouldn't even require a

2218
03:13:26,200 --> 03:13:34,640
change in policy that would meet your
Authority as the as the CH all I'm

2219
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:38,439
saying you know so just so that you so
that each time it would just be in the

2220
03:13:36,680 --> 03:13:43,479
template that says you know we're
calling a hearing and you know you every

2221
03:13:42,040 --> 03:13:48,399
time we send out one of those it would
just have an hour but it would not then

2222
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:51,399
the knows and the clerk keeps up with
the hour and that's the way and it

2223
03:13:49,880 --> 03:13:56,960
wouldn't I but it wouldn't be a change
to your rules or would you do you want

2224
03:13:54,200 --> 03:14:01,680
to actually change your rules to add the
hour I'm good for not changing the rules

2225
03:13:59,040 --> 03:14:06,279
keep the rules the same but at least
mention and and cover the requirement in

2226
03:14:04,279 --> 03:14:10,840
the statute for the Chairman's Authority
and I think we be I agree I agree with

2227
03:14:08,239 --> 03:14:15,920
that I think put the hour in there to
make sure you also put in that template

2228
03:14:12,880 --> 03:14:22,600
yes that the chairman has the option by
Constitution amen to to extend the time

2229
03:14:18,920 --> 03:14:26,520
to extend the time or whatever necess I
don't know I don't know that I'd put

2230
03:14:23,760 --> 03:14:29,479
that in a public is not necessary I
wouldn't put that in the public hearing

2231
03:14:27,840 --> 03:14:36,160
I just say we're going to limit it to an
hour of saying on all non quasa judicial

2232
03:14:34,160 --> 03:14:39,600
that's the way I was talk be prepared to
defend and this board seen enough public

2233
03:14:37,880 --> 03:14:44,399
hearings to know which ones may push
that hour limit so a lot of them are you

2234
03:14:42,239 --> 03:14:48,680
know 5 10 15 minutes and we're done so
thank goodness on the days we got five

2235
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:53,279
hearings yeah oh yeah but like saying
the chairman remind them up front look

2236
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:58,239
this is an our public so oh yeah you
know try try to keep the I'm good with

2237
03:14:55,040 --> 03:15:02,160
that repetitive stuff okay CU if not
yeah I mean sometime you knew we sat

2238
03:15:00,040 --> 03:15:07,279
here for two and a half hours listening
to the same thing yeah I mean and you

2239
03:15:05,560 --> 03:15:11,760
can tell them a hundred times not to
repeat the same stuff but they going to

2240
03:15:09,120 --> 03:15:16,560
do it so thank you all right we got that
one so we got some of it out sir some of

2241
03:15:13,720 --> 03:15:19,520
that sir an hour yep an hour one hour
all right

2242
03:15:17,560 --> 03:15:24,479
discussion of Burlington home uh
Consortium board of directors Mr I'm

2243
03:15:22,199 --> 03:15:30,080
sorry solar panel itself I'm I'm ahead
of myself um I keep looking at that qu

2244
03:15:27,479 --> 03:15:34,920
clock and going it's lunchtime but it's
only 11:00 1100 oh my good I have not

2245
03:15:33,680 --> 03:15:38,120
changed the clock I've been thinking
this I'm like man I got to go I got to

2246
03:15:37,040 --> 03:15:43,359
go I got to
go I was about to start SL I was

2247
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:48,520
wondering why I wasn't hungry yet but
that's cool I

2248
03:15:45,359 --> 03:15:52,439
know all right so Le we can do it on
Thursday morning we got I be here at

2249
03:15:50,359 --> 03:16:00,560
12:00 oh
Lord to set your own rules on that 7j

2250
03:15:56,479 --> 03:16:05,399
okay so we talked about this briefly I'm
just going to wait for these guys for a

2251
03:16:01,880 --> 03:16:10,439
second here not sure okay um so we
talked about this briefly at our our

2252
03:16:07,319 --> 03:16:15,920
last meeting this this solar lease
option um so and and we ended up

2253
03:16:14,120 --> 03:16:19,600
continuing it because we I think there
were only three members of the board who

2254
03:16:17,479 --> 03:16:25,600
were who were here when we talked about
it so I'm going to just quickly talk

2255
03:16:21,840 --> 03:16:31,319
through it again um so you all probably
recall when we bought this the property

2256
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:38,479
from the Franks at 350 acres for the
park um that Debbie can you possibly

2257
03:16:35,640 --> 03:16:43,080
bring up that agreement and scroll to
the very end where there's that picture

2258
03:16:40,479 --> 03:16:43,080
of the

2259
03:16:43,359 --> 03:16:53,520
property okay yeah so
you guys I I mean so when we bought the

2260
03:16:50,239 --> 03:16:58,080
property you know it was it's subject to
this um option agreement with the Solar

2261
03:16:56,520 --> 03:17:07,040
Company
to uh to put a to lease this property to

2262
03:17:02,520 --> 03:17:14,399
for a solar farm um and so when we took
the property we bought the property it's

2263
03:17:10,080 --> 03:17:22,399
subject to that option agreement and um
as part of the sale process we agreed

2264
03:17:19,399 --> 03:17:27,760
with the solar developer that we would
you know basically negotiate a lease

2265
03:17:25,160 --> 03:17:34,359
agreement um you know negotiating good
faith a you know a lease agreement um

2266
03:17:32,120 --> 03:17:41,720
that you know that that would be that
would be the long-term lease I mean

2267
03:17:37,960 --> 03:17:47,279
So currently under the the lease option
agreement they

2268
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:52,040
have they have until next
um

2269
03:17:48,439 --> 03:17:58,439
July to tell us you know whether they
want to you know exercise that option

2270
03:17:55,239 --> 03:18:06,720
and and and actually build that solar
farm um so what they wanted to do is get

2271
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:13,600
more specific information I mean draft a
lease that would lay out all of the

2272
03:18:09,399 --> 03:18:20,000
details um you know in terms of what
their rights are what our rights are you

2273
03:18:16,319 --> 03:18:25,520
know and um you know what they can build
you know and and so forth and so you

2274
03:18:23,199 --> 03:18:34,279
know I went through and
negotiated this full lease agreement

2275
03:18:29,080 --> 03:18:41,439
with them and so basically what I've you
know what has been presented to you

2276
03:18:37,319 --> 03:18:47,120
is this you know this negotiated lease
and so what this lease does is it you

2277
03:18:44,800 --> 03:18:51,560
know it it sets up the you know all the
terms and conditions that would apply

2278
03:18:49,279 --> 03:18:57,040
you know and basically they they would
have this 25y

2279
03:18:53,120 --> 03:19:01,840
year lease and which could ultimately be
extended out to 40

2280
03:18:58,840 --> 03:19:01,840
years

2281
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:10,600
um but one key thing about this lease
agreement is that it still keeps that

2282
03:19:09,319 --> 03:19:18,520
July of
2025 time frame so it's essentially

2283
03:19:14,160 --> 03:19:24,880
still giving the the solar company until
next July

2284
03:19:21,319 --> 03:19:29,160
to decide if they want to go
longterm or if they just want to cancel

2285
03:19:28,040 --> 03:19:35,279
the whole
thing

2286
03:19:31,960 --> 03:19:39,680
um does that does that make sense I I
got a question since I guess I was part

2287
03:19:36,920 --> 03:19:44,439
of this from up front I didn't know uh
Casey when did all this come effect that

2288
03:19:42,520 --> 03:19:47,479
I mean I knew there was a lease I knew
these people had a lease with the

2289
03:19:45,760 --> 03:19:53,120
original owner
so did that lease just not carry over to

2290
03:19:49,760 --> 03:19:57,600
us that that we had to honor that that
agreement that lease option agreement

2291
03:19:55,760 --> 03:20:01,640
Ian yeah until the terms of when it
stops and there's yeah so the that's

2292
03:19:59,720 --> 03:20:08,279
what he's talking about so I get that
part but again

2293
03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:12,279
when part no let me see how to phrase
this

2294
03:20:09,560 --> 03:20:15,359
why did they hold that hostage over our
head when we bought this property that

2295
03:20:13,800 --> 03:20:20,560
said y'all going to have to meet these
requirements these renewal of the lease

2296
03:20:18,279 --> 03:20:25,359
or or negotiate a lease agreement
because the Franks hadn't done that

2297
03:20:23,680 --> 03:20:29,160
again they just had a basic lease that
said we might take y'all's property or

2298
03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:32,319
we just inherited the lease and told
them when that time comes when it's up

2299
03:20:30,920 --> 03:20:35,640
we'll have a conversation with cuz I
think that original lease made reference

2300
03:20:33,960 --> 03:20:41,439
to the fact that we would in good faith
have that conversation so so basically

2301
03:20:38,640 --> 03:20:47,520
what you know so they the Franks that
agreed about I don't know a year and a

2302
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:52,880
half before we bought the property
two years whatever um they had signed

2303
03:20:50,520 --> 03:21:00,520
this lease option agreement with this
Solar Company and that lease option

2304
03:20:57,319 --> 03:21:07,040
agreement goes with the property runs
with the land so when we bought it you

2305
03:21:03,399 --> 03:21:10,680
know we had to assume that obligation
when we bought the property just

2306
03:21:08,520 --> 03:21:16,600
probably a simple lease option agreement
it is it's a lease option and and it has

2307
03:21:13,720 --> 03:21:22,439
you know like a two or three page term
sheet attached to the lease option

2308
03:21:19,359 --> 03:21:27,920
rather than a full lease and so what
what the Solar

2309
03:21:24,040 --> 03:21:33,920
Company you know ask us to do as part of
the when we assume the the

2310
03:21:31,239 --> 03:21:40,439
lease um the lease I'm sorry when we
assume the lease option agreement what

2311
03:21:37,120 --> 03:21:45,439
they ask us to do is to negotiate a full
lease with them just so that they ask us

2312
03:21:43,840 --> 03:21:50,080
to do that but we have no legal
obligation to do that at this point we

2313
03:21:47,800 --> 03:21:53,080
declined as part of the purchase now I
think that lease doesn't it say that we

2314
03:21:51,680 --> 03:21:57,239
would in good faith have that
conversation well it says yeah when so

2315
03:21:55,160 --> 03:22:05,760
when we assumed the when we assumed the
lease I mean we had to get part of the

2316
03:22:01,000 --> 03:22:15,359
part of the deal that the Franks had was
that the Solar Company had

2317
03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:19,439
to um had to had to consent to to the
sale right okay so we had so they so

2318
03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:26,319
they had
essentially leverage over us to an

2319
03:22:22,880 --> 03:22:32,080
extent right and so what we said what we
said was okay well we

2320
03:22:28,760 --> 03:22:37,520
can't we're not going to guarantee
anything but you know in order but we

2321
03:22:35,560 --> 03:22:44,199
will agree with you that we will
negotiate a lease in good faith and that

2322
03:22:40,520 --> 03:22:50,760
that's that's what we that's
what that's how we

2323
03:22:47,120 --> 03:22:59,600
essentially got them to agree you know
to you know to consent to the transfer

2324
03:22:54,840 --> 03:23:04,120
so if you know so that I wasn't I would
not have planned to negotiate a full

2325
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:07,800
lease if it had not been for that but
they you know basically made that a

2326
03:23:06,640 --> 03:23:13,479
condition
of you know of giving their consent you

2327
03:23:11,160 --> 03:23:18,920
know they said well we'll consent to the
transfer if you agree to negotiate and

2328
03:23:16,239 --> 03:23:24,960
go Faith a lease agre you know a full
lease agreement

2329
03:23:20,680 --> 03:23:31,800
so you know so after the property
transaction closed I I went ahead

2330
03:23:28,199 --> 03:23:37,199
negotiated this full lease agreement um
which I think it's a you know I think

2331
03:23:34,399 --> 03:23:42,520
it's a fair agreement you know and it's
I think it's a good agreement that would

2332
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:48,239
um protect our interest going forward
you know if they actually did decide to

2333
03:23:44,920 --> 03:23:51,680
build the solar facility
um you know and it does sort of preserve

2334
03:23:50,840 --> 03:23:57,960
that
option period that you know that they

2335
03:23:55,080 --> 03:24:05,399
would have to make a decision by July of
next year whether they're going to do it

2336
03:23:59,800 --> 03:24:11,760
or not now there is I mean there is one
um I think important factor that that

2337
03:24:08,880 --> 03:24:16,880
you know that you should be aware of and
this came up a little bit um in our

2338
03:24:14,479 --> 03:24:23,279
discussion last time
you know so if

2339
03:24:18,640 --> 03:24:28,479
you you know they well first off you
know even if we don't sign this lease

2340
03:24:26,160 --> 03:24:36,080
now if
they if they decide to exercise their

2341
03:24:31,160 --> 03:24:43,439
option before July of next year you know
we will be obligated to sign a lease

2342
03:24:39,359 --> 03:24:50,040
with them so basically it would be
agreeing to sign the lease now or or

2343
03:24:47,359 --> 03:24:55,399
just waiting until July to sign to sign
the lease agreement which I think we we

2344
03:24:53,319 --> 03:24:59,760
could say well okay well we're just not
going to sign the lease now but and

2345
03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:07,199
we'll just punt it
until next July I think that I don't

2346
03:25:02,640 --> 03:25:13,319
think that would be bad faith to do
that the SEC second point

2347
03:25:10,120 --> 03:25:20,520
is um you
know whether we sign a lease today

2348
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:26,720
or sign a lease next
July the Solar Company is still going to

2349
03:25:23,800 --> 03:25:31,600
have to go through you know the the
zoning

2350
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:38,319
process um in order to build this solar
facility um and the land is

2351
03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:47,399
currently
zoned I think it's what R RS and R2 R RS

2352
03:25:43,960 --> 03:25:51,960
and ra2 I think the area where this is
is

2353
03:25:48,960 --> 03:25:57,520
ra2 and so what that so what that would
mean is they would have to re in order

2354
03:25:54,560 --> 03:26:04,080
to build a solar farm on this area they
would have to request a special use

2355
03:26:00,920 --> 03:26:09,640
permit and that special use special use
permit for that

2356
03:26:05,640 --> 03:26:16,760
area um for a solar farm would have to
be granted by this

2357
03:26:12,439 --> 03:26:20,840
board um quick question um again to me
good faith effort whether we do it we

2358
03:26:18,560 --> 03:26:26,000
knew when we bought the land we had a
they had this option okay right so again

2359
03:26:23,439 --> 03:26:31,199
to us what what I would be saying is in
good faith if you come to me next July

2360
03:26:28,520 --> 03:26:35,399
and want to do this then we'll go in
good faith and and try to lease you to

2361
03:26:33,359 --> 03:26:40,359
property sign that lease right at that
point you know I mean or not sign it or

2362
03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:47,560
not well no you'd have to sign we have
to we have to negotiate is it written in

2363
03:26:43,319 --> 03:26:53,800
that renewable well we just have I I
mean if they

2364
03:26:49,319 --> 03:26:58,520
exercise if they exercise the lease
option then we are contractually

2365
03:26:57,000 --> 03:27:04,560
obligated
to sign a lease with them for for

2366
03:27:01,439 --> 03:27:09,560
whatever what was that how much money uh
I see something like a th000 bucks is it

2367
03:27:06,680 --> 03:27:16,640
a th000 an acre I think it's $1,000 an
acre per per year every year escalating

2368
03:27:12,439 --> 03:27:24,319
at 10% every 5 years so 25,000 bucks so
it's 25,000 a year

2369
03:27:20,359 --> 03:27:29,880
um so you know the I mean the other
option you know you can always I mean so

2370
03:27:27,319 --> 03:27:33,520
you're contractually obligated to do it
but on the other on the other hand you

2371
03:27:31,800 --> 03:27:39,040
know I guess you could always breach the
contract and say we're just we're just

2372
03:27:36,479 --> 03:27:47,080
going to breach the contract and you can
sue us for damages you know or you know

2373
03:27:42,720 --> 03:27:51,840
sue us to try to force us to you know
would this lease put us in any worse

2374
03:27:49,080 --> 03:27:58,600
position than we in
now I don't think it puts us in any

2375
03:27:54,600 --> 03:28:04,239
worse position because we're still you
know whether we sign this lease today or

2376
03:28:02,279 --> 03:28:09,399
they exercise a
lease you know we're going to have to

2377
03:28:06,520 --> 03:28:14,720
negotiate a lease agreement unless we
decide as I said unless we decide to

2378
03:28:12,040 --> 03:28:18,920
just breach the agreement and say we're
not going to you know we're not going to

2379
03:28:17,000 --> 03:28:22,720
honor the agreement and I'm not I'm not
sitting here telling you we should be

2380
03:28:20,239 --> 03:28:28,479
breaching our our contracts but I'm
saying that is that is a consideration

2381
03:28:25,720 --> 03:28:32,239
in in any contract I and nobody saying
contract is always an option nobody's

2382
03:28:30,040 --> 03:28:37,880
saying we want to do that um but what
I'm saying is if it don't put us in any

2383
03:28:34,080 --> 03:28:44,359
worse position or if it don't put us any
in any worse position to sign or or go

2384
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:48,399
into this lease agreement uh in July
let's just wait till July when the guys

2385
03:28:46,359 --> 03:28:52,720
can tell us whether they want the land
or not you know and I get what you got

2386
03:28:50,680 --> 03:28:56,720
you've been talking to these people and
and you have comeing and so we got to

2387
03:28:54,399 --> 03:29:00,880
lease okay but let's wait till July when
you guys know whether y'all want to

2388
03:28:58,720 --> 03:29:05,120
lease the land or not and if you do then
we'll work in good faith effort to U

2389
03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:09,399
right to lease you to land I mean we
ain't talking but a few months down the

2390
03:29:06,880 --> 03:29:15,520
road now you know I mean Christmas Is
Almost Here so yeah I mean I think what

2391
03:29:11,880 --> 03:29:19,680
their thought process is and I'm I'm not
negotiating for them but I'm just I

2392
03:29:17,880 --> 03:29:27,239
think what their thought process is is
that they want to have a signed lease so

2393
03:29:23,160 --> 03:29:34,319
that when they go to whatever bank or
finance company to Grants to well to get

2394
03:29:31,680 --> 03:29:39,319
you or or do Grant applications or
whatever whoever they're planning to do

2395
03:29:36,840 --> 03:29:44,359
their deals with I think they want to
have you know assigned

2396
03:29:41,720 --> 03:29:50,720
lease you know that they can take and
you know and and present present to you

2397
03:29:47,680 --> 03:29:54,880
know the bank or the finance company or
the power company that they're planning

2398
03:29:52,680 --> 03:30:00,439
to sell their power to and say hey
here's this is the lease that would

2399
03:29:57,080 --> 03:30:09,720
apply you know if we build this
power you know if we build this power

2400
03:30:03,840 --> 03:30:16,600
facility um so I mean one Middle Ground
I mean one Middle Ground option here

2401
03:30:12,199 --> 03:30:23,239
would be that instead of signing the
lease today we

2402
03:30:19,520 --> 03:30:30,399
could we could say that we will amend
the option agreement to add the to add

2403
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:34,720
the negotiated lease as the attachment
so that so that whenever they exercise

2404
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:40,359
the lease in
July we do we we will agree that this is

2405
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:45,160
the contract we'll sign does that make
sense so right so right now so in good

2406
03:30:43,479 --> 03:30:48,680
faith we can ask way more than what
they're willing to pay

2407
03:30:46,479 --> 03:30:54,080
in good faith to to say this is our
agreement if they deny what what our

2408
03:30:51,359 --> 03:30:59,000
terms of the agreement is then we have
disagreed Alto together but we've made a

2409
03:30:56,120 --> 03:31:04,920
good faith to say okay if you want to do
this then this is what we'll accept as a

2410
03:31:00,840 --> 03:31:11,479
payment can we do that well so so right
now what the what the lease option says

2411
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:17,239
is that you know there's like a there's
like a three-page exhibit to this lease

2412
03:31:14,359 --> 03:31:23,080
option and and that three-page exhibit
tells us what the basic terms have to be

2413
03:31:20,120 --> 03:31:30,600
including the price so what I what I'm
suggesting is that got instead of the

2414
03:31:27,319 --> 03:31:35,840
three-page you the three-page term sheet
we just put we just delete the

2415
03:31:33,720 --> 03:31:42,880
three-page term sheet and put the lease
in as substitute the the draft lease

2416
03:31:39,479 --> 03:31:50,800
agreement in as the exhibit to the
contract and then you say well we're not

2417
03:31:46,600 --> 03:31:57,319
signing the lease now but if you
do decide to to exercise the option

2418
03:31:54,960 --> 03:32:03,319
before July this is the this is the
agreement that we will sign so you're

2419
03:32:00,720 --> 03:32:09,520
basically giving them the
certainty of knowing what they're

2420
03:32:06,520 --> 03:32:14,720
getting ex you know so that they can
kind of so they can have that

2421
03:32:11,720 --> 03:32:19,319
certainty but we're not actually you
know going so far as to sign the lease I

2422
03:32:17,040 --> 03:32:25,479
mean I think that would be kind of a
middle ground and that's I you know

2423
03:32:22,880 --> 03:32:30,279
that's that's what I initially that's
what I thought we I was doing with them

2424
03:32:28,399 --> 03:32:35,760
when we started negotiating it I thought
this was going to be a draft lease that

2425
03:32:33,960 --> 03:32:42,199
would then be assign I mean that would
then be attached to the option agreement

2426
03:32:38,920 --> 03:32:47,000
and then you know but but
then later you know they said well no

2427
03:32:45,279 --> 03:32:53,399
that it's actually our intent to sign
this lease immediately rather than

2428
03:32:50,319 --> 03:32:58,439
attach it to the option agreement as an
exhibit so I I don't you know I feel

2429
03:32:57,199 --> 03:33:04,160
like it would
be you know a decent Middle Ground to

2430
03:33:02,040 --> 03:33:13,199
say well okay
we'll you know we'll agree to amend

2431
03:33:08,279 --> 03:33:18,000
the option agreement you know such that
we all agree that we'll this is the form

2432
03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:22,880
of the police that will sign if you
exercise your

2433
03:33:19,279 --> 03:33:26,239
option but again you know I that's not
something you have to do I'm just

2434
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:32,520
suggesting that as a third as a what's
what's your thought Casey we inherited a

2435
03:33:28,319 --> 03:33:34,880
bad contract and it's got no way out and
the only reason we didn't have to talk

2436
03:33:33,760 --> 03:33:40,680
to him is because we had to give them
first R refusal to buy the land so I

2437
03:33:38,120 --> 03:33:44,640
think Adam's got him I mean he's right
it's at a place where do you want to

2438
03:33:43,000 --> 03:33:48,359
have his terms put in there as the
exhibit for July

2439
03:33:46,239 --> 03:33:53,359
given it I like the maybe the weight
just then they may not want to maybe

2440
03:33:50,439 --> 03:33:56,720
something changes between now and
July I don't know where're I don't see

2441
03:33:55,359 --> 03:34:02,120
we're giving a little more time would
hurt anything at this

2442
03:33:58,600 --> 03:34:06,399
point um giving who more time us more
time to have that see if something H and

2443
03:34:04,960 --> 03:34:09,399
them too I mean I don't know maybe
there's something happens and they don't

2444
03:34:07,800 --> 03:34:12,160
want to exercise it see they they got a
whole lot of stuff to go through before

2445
03:34:10,800 --> 03:34:16,439
they got to worry about going to the
bank to get money or finance and you

2446
03:34:14,479 --> 03:34:21,479
know first of all they got a a lot of
lot of other stuff to go through so but

2447
03:34:18,359 --> 03:34:25,239
I get it at that point U they want I
don't say were more time sitting on this

2448
03:34:23,319 --> 03:34:29,720
one would hurt at this point I mean
that's what my thought process was a

2449
03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:35,319
when was this when when did they do this
agreement with the Franks what

2450
03:34:32,279 --> 03:34:41,640
year well let's see so long time it
would have been July of

2451
03:34:38,680 --> 03:34:46,239
2022 2022 runs
through yeah so so it's a three-year

2452
03:34:44,479 --> 03:34:54,439
threeyear option
signed in July 2022 ending in July

2453
03:34:50,840 --> 03:34:58,800
2025 so they signed
it you know I wish the Franks would have

2454
03:34:56,760 --> 03:35:02,439
negotiate a little harder on this one
you know they're taking it but I mean we

2455
03:35:00,680 --> 03:35:06,040
took it knowing they're there right and
we took it also knowing we make it get

2456
03:35:04,279 --> 03:35:10,279
power from them in the future it's not
like we didn't know going into this it's

2457
03:35:08,040 --> 03:35:13,760
just it's not a I know how we are we
don't like contracts where we're forced

2458
03:35:12,040 --> 03:35:18,080
into positions that we really ain't got
a whole lot of say over and and only

2459
03:35:15,920 --> 03:35:21,880
thing I'm saying is you know to me now
personally I'd be like when you know

2460
03:35:20,279 --> 03:35:26,359
you're going to build it get with me and
then we'll get to the Brass tax of the

2461
03:35:24,160 --> 03:35:31,680
the lease you know when you know when
you got your financing in place and that

2462
03:35:29,560 --> 03:35:37,800
that's how I would work now again you
may see this differently on this this

2463
03:35:34,080 --> 03:35:43,319
item uh can I ask a question yeah go
ahead do you this might be a silly

2464
03:35:41,000 --> 03:35:47,960
question no silly questions in this room
but um do you think it's

2465
03:35:46,880 --> 03:35:53,319
it's
about if we just give them what you're

2466
03:35:51,160 --> 03:35:58,439
saying and not giving them all the
details do you think they're wanting to

2467
03:35:55,319 --> 03:36:02,640
see what the details are where we are
and how much money we're they're going

2468
03:36:00,040 --> 03:36:07,479
to have to pay us the money's already
been a negotiator they already know that

2469
03:36:05,000 --> 03:36:13,880
yeah so that that was already agreed on
by the Frank it's not anything really

2470
03:36:09,800 --> 03:36:18,199
new so that goes back to your point why
why till next year

2471
03:36:16,359 --> 03:36:22,359
yeah so the yeah so the basic business
all the basic business terms are decided

2472
03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:28,399
I mean okay we went through I mean it's
decided in that term sheet what what we

2473
03:36:24,920 --> 03:36:33,920
did was go through and make you know all
the little day-to-day things that you

2474
03:36:31,160 --> 03:36:38,720
need to have in a lease like how close
can you build to the edge of the

2475
03:36:35,760 --> 03:36:43,160
property well you know how you know what
about you know coming across our

2476
03:36:40,840 --> 03:36:48,960
property to get into their you know all
those little details about you know

2477
03:36:46,439 --> 03:36:55,000
um dayto day how's this lease going to
work for 25 years you know so when when

2478
03:36:52,520 --> 03:36:59,920
they sign this with the Franks they
signed it and the and the Franks lease

2479
03:36:57,160 --> 03:37:04,000
ends at 25 right well or they have an
option to renew they have an option to R

2480
03:37:02,239 --> 03:37:09,560
not to renew I guess they have an option
to actually lease the property not renew

2481
03:37:06,560 --> 03:37:14,040
the U so to extend I mean so so if they
exercise so if we do enter into a lease

2482
03:37:11,239 --> 03:37:20,960
with them they'll have I think it's 25
years I 25 or 30 but it's but longer

2483
03:37:18,399 --> 03:37:26,760
than any of us are going to be here this
is my question so the Franks have a way

2484
03:37:22,960 --> 03:37:30,960
out of the lease we get in it and and we
don't have a way out now we got a way

2485
03:37:28,439 --> 03:37:35,520
out in 2025 if they don't exercise their
option this is an option on the property

2486
03:37:33,880 --> 03:37:40,960
so the fr the Frank never the Franks
never had a way out so when so from the

2487
03:37:38,080 --> 03:37:48,479
time that they signed that option
agreement they were legally bound to

2488
03:37:45,560 --> 03:37:53,920
sign a solar lease agreement with this
company till 2025 till 2025 so they had

2489
03:37:51,160 --> 03:37:57,160
a way out 2025 just wait them out that's
that's the only that's the only way out

2490
03:37:55,800 --> 03:38:02,319
so we don't have a way out either
neither today and that's what I'm saying

2491
03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:06,880
if we waited till 2025 and franks had
that and they said nope and then we did

2492
03:38:04,920 --> 03:38:12,359
that what would happen we wouldn't have
a solar

2493
03:38:08,960 --> 03:38:16,800
form they have a way out I think they've
got the option to keep going from now to

2494
03:38:13,960 --> 03:38:20,680
2025 right I mean that's they according
to them their plans is to build it out

2495
03:38:18,520 --> 03:38:25,479
there soon what that means I don't I
don't know but well right and I have no

2496
03:38:23,560 --> 03:38:33,640
idea so they I mean so what they talked
about is you know that that they've had

2497
03:38:28,800 --> 03:38:38,640
actual interest from Energy United about
buying the electricity from that from

2498
03:38:36,080 --> 03:38:43,800
that solar facility even
though 27 acres for a solar farm is

2499
03:38:41,760 --> 03:38:47,199
pretty small I
mean from what from what I've been

2500
03:38:45,640 --> 03:38:51,680
hearing they want a lot bigger
properties than that for solar Farms

2501
03:38:48,800 --> 03:38:54,760
anymore but again I don't see why we
can't wait till July if they decide they

2502
03:38:53,439 --> 03:38:58,279
want they already know if you send them
a copy of this and go look guys here's

2503
03:38:56,640 --> 03:39:03,120
the copy this you know I ain't got it
approved from the board yet but this is

2504
03:39:00,800 --> 03:39:06,640
probably what I can get pushed through I
guess that's why you wanting us to

2505
03:39:04,560 --> 03:39:10,640
approve this so you can say my board
approve this but right you could send it

2506
03:39:09,040 --> 03:39:14,439
to them say here's all the things that I
think we can do our managers looked it

2507
03:39:12,359 --> 03:39:17,279
over the board don't want to deal with
it till it's time to come yeah I don't

2508
03:39:15,720 --> 03:39:20,760
even know we got to vote on it this or
you guys got let's just do the common

2509
03:39:18,800 --> 03:39:24,160
consent just let Adam have let them have
it and we'll talk to them later on this

2510
03:39:22,399 --> 03:39:28,920
summer and we've negotiate I mean this
is this is fully negotiated I mean y'all

2511
03:39:27,239 --> 03:39:31,239
seen it they've seen it they know what's
in it right we've been back and forth

2512
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:36,359
and back and forth and back and forth
and this is like this is what I would

2513
03:39:33,319 --> 03:39:39,840
consider to be a final ready to sign
lease right so you can send that to them

2514
03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:43,000
say here's what the lease would look
like more than likely I mean you know I

2515
03:39:41,720 --> 03:39:46,680
think we can get this in front of the
board when the time comes but they don't

2516
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:51,279
want to they don't want to do it now
they don't want to do anything till the

2517
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:57,319
time comes to okay I agree with that
right so you know again I

2518
03:39:55,279 --> 03:40:02,199
guess is there room to have a
conversation about if you want to now

2519
03:39:59,680 --> 03:40:05,829
give up on something you got something
okay

2520
03:40:02,780 --> 03:40:05,829
[Music]

2521
03:40:08,239 --> 03:40:16,960
um I
mean I guess we can do

2522
03:40:12,359 --> 03:40:21,520
that see what do a close s on property
or something legal or something add a

2523
03:40:18,600 --> 03:40:24,080
legal I mean I can just ask like like to
talk what I just said back there a

2524
03:40:23,040 --> 03:40:28,279
little bit we're going back there anyway
for

2525
03:40:25,279 --> 03:40:33,680
personnel I had a legal to close session
attorney client

2526
03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:37,600
the okay Mr chairman I make a motion
that we had amend the agenda amend the

2527
03:40:36,120 --> 03:40:43,479
agenda
than all in favor any oppose okay do

2528
03:40:41,239 --> 03:40:48,600
youall have anything or yall good no
okay all right so enough on that

2529
03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:59,840
umon home I'm looking
here okay discussion of home uh yeah

2530
03:40:57,080 --> 03:41:05,040
Consortium board of directors all
remember we joined this um I think it's

2531
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:12,160
called the
uh Eastern peont housing Consortium

2532
03:41:08,080 --> 03:41:14,560
through through uh U ptrc last spring
you know they came and talked to us

2533
03:41:13,239 --> 03:41:17,920
about joining with Burlington being the
head of the group all this item is

2534
03:41:16,319 --> 03:41:22,120
essentially doing is as a five count
region is asking for two members to join

2535
03:41:19,800 --> 03:41:27,359
this board it can be a citizen it can be
a county staff person a municipal person

2536
03:41:24,680 --> 03:41:30,760
non-government members um Jason's been
kind of the for right now they had a

2537
03:41:29,199 --> 03:41:34,479
meeting recently with some of them and
he kind of Def facto set in he and I

2538
03:41:33,040 --> 03:41:38,080
don't mind doing it however you want to
do it I just want to bring we need to se

2539
03:41:36,279 --> 03:41:42,239
this with two people you getting any
benefits from it Jason yeah the home

2540
03:41:40,560 --> 03:41:47,120
Consortium what that is that's the home
investment partnership program I think

2541
03:41:44,279 --> 03:41:51,800
is what it's called the official term um
that's monies that sent directly from

2542
03:41:49,159 --> 03:41:56,560
HUD in the old days this was all run
through the city of Greensboro um and

2543
03:41:54,319 --> 03:42:01,640
Burlington in their population growth
they've got into where they can actually

2544
03:41:59,199 --> 03:42:09,359
start their own Consortium so everything
runs through the city of Burlington this

2545
03:42:03,800 --> 03:42:15,399
is for uh lowincome housing um um
homeless things like that um they are

2546
03:42:12,800 --> 03:42:20,080
doing when I worked with it before it
was specifically individual homeowners

2547
03:42:18,159 --> 03:42:25,319
now they're looking into bigger things
like group housing uh things for

2548
03:42:22,359 --> 03:42:31,199
homeless veterans that kind of stuff as
well as um elderly disabled you know

2549
03:42:29,199 --> 03:42:35,960
lowincome folks that are and what they
defined by that is depending on your

2550
03:42:33,040 --> 03:42:40,960
your metropolitan area uh which here
would be Winston Salem it's 80% of that

2551
03:42:39,080 --> 03:42:46,040
that household income so probably
somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000

2552
03:42:43,199 --> 03:42:50,520
household income qualifies for it
um it can be done a number of ways it

2553
03:42:48,120 --> 03:42:55,080
can be set up as a grant they can be set
up as a loan uh where that all runs

2554
03:42:54,000 --> 03:43:00,960
through it would run through the city of
Burlington's books so to speak um they

2555
03:42:58,520 --> 03:43:05,239
would between partnering with ptrc they
would have to record Deeds of trust in

2556
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:10,040
Davidson County that kind of thing but
yeah I think there is benefit to it um

2557
03:43:07,600 --> 03:43:14,880
and the purpose of the board of
directors is to help identify potential

2558
03:43:12,640 --> 03:43:20,760
projects in those areas I know the city
of Thomasville was part of this

2559
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:25,159
Lexington did not get on board in time
um they may end up being a partner in it

2560
03:43:23,000 --> 03:43:29,520
at some point uh but there was a real
tight window to get all this organized

2561
03:43:27,920 --> 03:43:33,000
and they my understanding is they did
not get on yet but I'm sure they're

2562
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:37,359
going to want to do that at some point
CIA Thomasville is on it so they would

2563
03:43:35,040 --> 03:43:42,199
have their my understanding from Michael
Blair um they would have their own folks

2564
03:43:39,840 --> 03:43:45,960
that are that that would be nominated on
there by their city council um and then

2565
03:43:44,720 --> 03:43:51,199
here
like like Casey said it can be anybody

2566
03:43:48,560 --> 03:43:56,760
you know it can be a commissioner it can
be us um a lot of places will put their

2567
03:43:54,159 --> 03:44:01,600
public housing authority people on it uh
and things like that so or if you got a

2568
03:43:58,760 --> 03:44:07,600
nonprofit to that you can appoint to it
have we got money out of it or that I

2569
03:44:05,359 --> 03:44:11,000
don't know the dollar amounts yet U
that's part of what'll come in and I

2570
03:44:09,399 --> 03:44:16,520
think it's I think it's going to be
about $2 million now how they divvy that

2571
03:44:13,920 --> 03:44:19,840
out between jur itions
that's first project you got to have a

2572
03:44:18,479 --> 03:44:23,640
project in your county and then they'll
come to you and say we've identified

2573
03:44:21,960 --> 03:44:26,840
this project the matches you work
through because it you know the matches

2574
03:44:25,080 --> 03:44:29,960
get covered sometimes other ways where
the local jurisdiction don't have to put

2575
03:44:28,080 --> 03:44:34,120
anything yeah there's no the we wouldn't
have to put any we had that project

2576
03:44:31,359 --> 03:44:39,279
identified yet um but yeah how they
divvy the funds out um that's going to

2577
03:44:36,600 --> 03:44:43,000
be part of that first rule first uh
board of directors start to develop that

2578
03:44:41,840 --> 03:44:48,600
how the the funds are going to be
distributed so having every every body

2579
03:44:45,199 --> 03:44:55,720
have equal voice on there is
important I a having that

2580
03:44:51,840 --> 03:45:01,080
um H folks on there' be a good person to
put on there I don't know about the

2581
03:44:58,520 --> 03:45:07,359
other but there it says in there that
they're going to um head this thing up

2582
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:12,120
guide the Consortium so they somebody
needs to know what they're doing in

2583
03:45:09,000 --> 03:45:15,960
there I would think commiss mccl can you
be a little more specific on who you

2584
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:20,439
talking about the are I don't know who
those are I guess just some folks that

2585
03:45:18,199 --> 03:45:26,000
works with the HUD over here on the
board is that who

2586
03:45:21,920 --> 03:45:32,720
you um and I I know him but I don't
think he's worked as with us on the

2587
03:45:28,120 --> 03:45:38,960
board okay he's somebody local yeah okay
yeah he's been he been very active in in

2588
03:45:35,399 --> 03:45:44,000
the home industry and trying to uh
further that with the organization here

2589
03:45:40,960 --> 03:45:49,640
L uh low heal that guy that me and you
talked to out there at the um

2590
03:45:46,680 --> 03:45:53,800
oh you know the the the younger guy the
dark-headed guy we stood out there and

2591
03:45:51,479 --> 03:46:01,720
talked to at the uh card I've got it at
home County city day or whatever it was

2592
03:45:57,040 --> 03:46:05,880
in Thomasville state of the County uh oh
um gosh what was his name I remember who

2593
03:46:04,640 --> 03:46:09,279
you're talking about cuz the three of us
spoke we talked to him that day in the

2594
03:46:07,479 --> 03:46:13,760
parking lot he would be
good that yeah cuz he was tied in with

2595
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:18,080
veterans group too that would be a
perfect person to put on

2596
03:46:15,640 --> 03:46:22,880
so why don't y'all for now do your thing
and go try to reach that person whatever

2597
03:46:21,000 --> 03:46:28,760
his name is I I may have his card still
at home somewhere Jason yeah I may still

2598
03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:33,439
have it too I at home I'll look that's
one Mr M commissioner MCL if you can let

2599
03:46:31,040 --> 03:46:36,880
us you remember the gentleman's name
I'll get it okay let us know that be

2600
03:46:35,359 --> 03:46:42,159
first name Jeff I just can't pull his
name out okay that'd be two right there

2601
03:46:39,880 --> 03:46:45,720
I I'll get it okay well we can handle it
till we get these two guys CU they may

2602
03:46:43,720 --> 03:46:50,000
say we can't I can't do motion or just
cons no just we'll call and find out

2603
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:54,960
Community Development this is stuff I'm
very familiar with so I mean I'm more

2604
03:46:52,159 --> 03:46:57,760
than happy to go and and and see what
the deal is and then if it looks like

2605
03:46:56,520 --> 03:47:02,359
it's something that ain't going to be
it's kind of I hate to say it like the

2606
03:46:59,359 --> 03:47:06,520
npos that some of us are a member of
Davidson County hardly never gets

2607
03:47:03,920 --> 03:47:10,399
nothing it's just nothing yeah the way
and the way the old Consortium was with

2608
03:47:08,520 --> 03:47:15,000
Greensboro the the way they divvied the
funds up it caused a lot of heartburn

2609
03:47:12,600 --> 03:47:18,359
with people um so if it get begins to be
something like that we need to not waste

2610
03:47:16,239 --> 03:47:21,880
our people's time and just roll on you
know just off the surface of how he

2611
03:47:20,439 --> 03:47:27,080
explained they're they're going to be
doing this it makes a lot more sense so

2612
03:47:25,040 --> 03:47:32,560
than the way greensbor did it all right
so I'm hopeful all right uh approval of

2613
03:47:30,560 --> 03:47:36,920
amendment to purchase and sell agreement
with

2614
03:47:33,720 --> 03:47:40,239
step lot five the PSA for lot five the
gentleman one's out there at the

2615
03:47:38,159 --> 03:47:43,720
business park we need to push that back
they're just now getting the PSA signed

2616
03:47:41,920 --> 03:47:48,239
and brought to us so you can see the new
closing date would be um no later than

2617
03:47:46,239 --> 03:47:53,920
the end of this month actually and I can
update Casey on that too I we're looking

2618
03:47:51,359 --> 03:47:58,399
at a closing date of next week okay most
likely the gentleman is trying to get

2619
03:47:56,080 --> 03:48:01,479
here uh into the country to be able to
to do that I mean as far as I'm

2620
03:47:59,920 --> 03:48:07,399
concerned do you need a motion for that
one yeah I think just so that we can

2621
03:48:04,760 --> 03:48:12,199
line that up I'd make a motion that we
uh give them permission to do this

2622
03:48:09,800 --> 03:48:17,000
purchase sale agreement till
1231 2024 second that's to the end of

2623
03:48:15,680 --> 03:48:24,439
the year and that way the end of the
year that way it ain't got to

2624
03:48:19,000 --> 03:48:30,439
comeback all in favor any opposed we
then can't we answer yeah nothing

2625
03:48:27,040 --> 03:48:38,319
happens uh hopefully y'all have it I
just all right uh DSS social work uh pay

2626
03:48:34,680 --> 03:48:43,000
discussion yes sir um one more quick
come on up Trish this is Trish even

2627
03:48:41,159 --> 03:48:46,960
though I think this is very relatively
clear what you see this is something I

2628
03:48:44,439 --> 03:48:52,439
ask Casey to look into here me and Karen
did just uh you know y'all know we've

2629
03:48:50,439 --> 03:48:55,439
really struggling with employees with
DSS

2630
03:48:58,359 --> 03:49:09,720
and my stomach's going to gurgle in a
minute uh oh 12 it's

2631
03:49:04,640 --> 03:49:09,720
12:35 you sit under that fake clock back

2632
03:49:12,960 --> 03:49:18,960
there you hit the nail on the the head
Mr chairman struggling with employees

2633
03:49:17,120 --> 03:49:22,560
retention in child welfare and
permanency planning so one of the

2634
03:49:20,840 --> 03:49:26,560
reasons why you know we were talking
about the partners deal earlier getting

2635
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:31,199
some help in those areas what you got
here is those jobs to the left those

2636
03:49:28,960 --> 03:49:36,120
types of jobs that are in those areas
what we pay now on minimums um and to

2637
03:49:34,000 --> 03:49:41,840
the right you can see your competitors
Tim's colored in green every job in that

2638
03:49:39,159 --> 03:49:46,319
column who's the best far as the mimo
and you can see Rowan is as we've all

2639
03:49:44,120 --> 03:49:51,800
known in this room for quite some time
very aggressive on starting pays for

2640
03:49:48,199 --> 03:49:55,920
these jobs if you would like to join our
number to their number if you go down to

2641
03:49:54,040 --> 03:49:58,920
the bottom it's essentially
moving

2642
03:49:59,080 --> 03:50:05,720
8% and then the people in the jobs what
you know you'd obviously need to move

2643
03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:10,040
some of them too the live bodies Tim has
two options for you if you'd like to

2644
03:50:06,960 --> 03:50:13,880
move them five it cost 26 that counts
reimbursement you got to remember these

2645
03:50:11,439 --> 03:50:17,199
jobs are some of the I hate to say it
this way I don't mean disrespect but

2646
03:50:15,600 --> 03:50:20,720
cheaper jobs to do these types of things
in the county because you get

2647
03:50:18,199 --> 03:50:24,399
reimbursement from the government option
two is if you want to keep that spread

2648
03:50:22,840 --> 03:50:28,760
of the existing employees at the same
percentage eight it UPS at to 269 so

2649
03:50:27,600 --> 03:50:34,239
that's basically what you have before
you here is the you can see your vacancy

2650
03:50:32,000 --> 03:50:37,640
rates it has moved up another 10 points
you see in 2022 Tim didn't get them

2651
03:50:36,199 --> 03:50:41,960
refreshed because we brought this before
you guys before you see with your eyes

2652
03:50:39,960 --> 03:50:47,960
going across the bottom there a lot of
people at 30% 40% Etc

2653
03:50:45,159 --> 03:50:54,319
we were at 27 back in 2022 we've moved
up another 10 points to 37 Mr chairman

2654
03:50:51,439 --> 03:50:58,520
and Madame uh commissioner I'm going to
agree with what y'all do y'all are on

2655
03:50:56,120 --> 03:51:03,359
this board and I know y'all have dealt
with a big bunch of problems right here

2656
03:51:00,760 --> 03:51:08,040
so whatever y'all feel good with I agree
with they're just not getting any better

2657
03:51:05,359 --> 03:51:11,880
yeah they're just not getting any better
so Trish it'll make it'll bring one

2658
03:51:10,399 --> 03:51:18,800
we'll start at top
41365 it'll bring that one to 44

2659
03:51:15,199 --> 03:51:23,399
464 so actually about 5 600 bucks more
than Rowan

2660
03:51:20,760 --> 03:51:29,319
okay um so you've looked at these
numbers I have Tim Tim and I looked at

2661
03:51:26,359 --> 03:51:35,560
these numbers um I feel like this will
be a good start I know though as soon as

2662
03:51:32,080 --> 03:51:40,000
you do this I mean Rowan's already
questioning us about our pay so it's a

2663
03:51:38,199 --> 03:51:44,640
continual thing because we're all
struggling you know I've said this

2664
03:51:41,880 --> 03:51:49,760
before everybody's we're stealing from
each other because the pool is small

2665
03:51:46,760 --> 03:51:56,680
what I think this will do is allow us to
get some experience because we're now

2666
03:51:52,880 --> 03:52:01,840
paying at least what the really close
ones are paying and we're struggling to

2667
03:52:00,080 --> 03:52:07,560
get that experience and that's what's
killing us because it's taking three and

2668
03:52:04,439 --> 03:52:13,359
six months to get everybody through
pre-service I just had a young lady that

2669
03:52:10,319 --> 03:52:17,800
started she was ready to finish free
service she broke her foot but and now

2670
03:52:15,239 --> 03:52:22,760
we're looking at January you know
something happens life happens and then

2671
03:52:20,159 --> 03:52:27,560
it just delays so we're in a constant
battle with that and then add the

2672
03:52:25,439 --> 03:52:31,720
increased complexity of cases we need
some folks with experience I think this

2673
03:52:29,359 --> 03:52:36,439
will push us up there and be able to say
hey we're a good paay and coming in the

2674
03:52:35,000 --> 03:52:40,640
door that will help and then our
existing staff to give them an extra

2675
03:52:38,479 --> 03:52:46,199
boost because they've been here with us
so we we think this is I don't know if

2676
03:52:44,080 --> 03:52:52,600
it will the end all but we've done some
other things like add some of the

2677
03:52:48,159 --> 03:52:57,640
assistant positions this um uh daymart
position that we're hopefully going to

2678
03:52:54,239 --> 03:53:01,640
have rolled out I think when we start
building all these things together we

2679
03:52:59,359 --> 03:53:05,560
start building a package that will help
well then you can't say anymore that

2680
03:53:03,840 --> 03:53:09,359
everybody else is paying more money than
we are cuz they're not that's right you

2681
03:53:07,199 --> 03:53:15,359
know I mean I've heard I've heard that
for a couple years well foresight's pay

2682
03:53:11,760 --> 03:53:18,640
in and guilford's paying with mve up huh
they just the other counties are just

2683
03:53:16,880 --> 03:53:23,279
moov well that's true but I I don't know
that they react that fast they may but

2684
03:53:21,880 --> 03:53:27,159
you know and again I don't know that
this is going to be a big drawing card

2685
03:53:24,840 --> 03:53:31,960
other than keeping the employees we got
happy you know yeah well I do think when

2686
03:53:29,840 --> 03:53:37,800
you can post you know when if somebody's
just looking at just raw numbers and

2687
03:53:34,640 --> 03:53:42,319
they see the well it's not going to hurt
yeah I I agree with that but again you

2688
03:53:40,199 --> 03:53:46,399
know and it it keeps your employees
that's here going well you know I can go

2689
03:53:44,040 --> 03:53:49,920
over there make another four grand a
year they don't understand it cost them

2690
03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:55,159
that much probably to drive that far
whatever but Mr chairman if I may we

2691
03:53:52,080 --> 03:54:01,960
have sit here countless times and listen
to tration and and I'm I'm I'm not being

2692
03:53:58,840 --> 03:54:05,479
disrespectful we've heard and Hur this
is a problem we're not going to be able

2693
03:54:03,239 --> 03:54:08,800
to fix I don't think unless we do this
and I would like to make a motion that

2694
03:54:06,800 --> 03:54:15,960
we give with option
two okay second that I have a motion and

2695
03:54:11,920 --> 03:54:19,600
a second all in favor I any osed good
luck Trish thank you so what he saying

2696
03:54:18,399 --> 03:54:24,640
there Trish he don't want to see you
back up here for that didn't Den nice

2697
03:54:22,439 --> 03:54:28,720
that's not that's not what I said I'm
not a liar so I'm not your promis that's

2698
03:54:26,640 --> 03:54:32,399
not what I said you know me Trish that's
not what I

2699
03:54:30,040 --> 03:54:37,800
said motion to go and close session
second all in favor any opposed

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03:54:49,680 --> 03:58:49,979
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03:58:57,530 --> 04:02:38,560
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04:22:52,470 --> 04:23:53,399
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04:24:05,100 --> 04:30:09,809
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04:30:28,890 --> 04:32:25,040
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04:32:28,500 --> 04:37:44,639
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04:37:45,550 --> 04:43:06,810
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04:43:31,000 --> 04:43:38,560
to return in CL from Clos session motion
we have a second second all in favor I

2724
04:43:36,040 --> 04:43:43,920
any opposed Mr attorney could you please
give us a brief update yes we had a um

2725
04:43:41,480 --> 04:43:47,958
closed session and we discussed one
Personnel issue and one real estate

2726
04:43:46,080 --> 04:43:56,040
issue and staff were given instructions
on um on both matters that's

2727
04:43:51,718 --> 04:43:56,040
it close session