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[18:53] welcome you to the Davidson County Board
of Commissioners Thursday November the
[18:56] 7th meeting uh Miss Watford would you
lead us with the U invocation and the
[19:02] Pledge of Allegiance yes sir thank you
very much um someone sent me um Thomas
[19:08] Jefferson's prayer for the nation uh
which was given on March the 4th
[19:14] 1801 but I think this prayer certainly
fits today's times as well so if you'll
[19:20] bow and pray with me almighty God who
has given us this good land for our
[19:26] heritage we humbly beseech thee that
that we may always prove ourselves a
[19:30] people mindful of thy favor and glad to
do thy will bless our land with
[19:35] honorable Ministry sound learning and
pure manners save us from violence
[19:41] Discord and confusion from pride and
arrogance and from every evil way defend
[19:47] our liberties and fashion into one
United people the multitude brought
[19:51] hither out of many kindreds and tongues
endow us with a spirit of wisdom who
[19:57] Those whom in the thy name we entrust
the authority of government that there
[20:02] be Justice and peace at home and that
through obedience to thy law we may show
[20:07] forth thy praise among the nations of
the
[20:10] Earth in time of prosperity fill our
hearts with thankfulness and in the day
[20:14] of trouble suffer not our trust in thee
to fail all of which we ask through
[20:19] Jesus Christ Our Lord amen amen
amen I pledge aliance to to the flag of
[20:28] the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation
[20:34] under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for
[20:39] all beautiful prayer that was thank you
thank you uh can I get a motion to
[20:45] excuse uh commissioner mael please move
second all in favor I I any opposed that
[20:53] motion
carries um Mr Shores if you'll do the
[20:57] recognition of veterans please thank you
Mr chairman do we have any veterans with
[21:01] us today if you would are a veteran
would you please stand and be
[21:07] recognized no veterans Mr chairman all
right register for public address
[21:11] anybody wanting to do so the clipboards
right over here on the table and under
[21:17] the clerk adoption of the agenda uh Mr
Smith has asked for a closed session for
[21:22] personnel be added to the agenda that
DSS social work pay discussion be added
[21:28] to agenda item
7M are there any other changes to the
[21:32] agenda no sir seeing no other changes Mr
chairman i' make a motion that we
[21:37] approve the agenda as amended all right
we got a motion we have a second second
[21:42] all in favor I any opposed Deb do you
want it on the computer or do you just
[21:47] fly through like this that's just mine
okay um if we get some real
[21:53] controversial stuff we'll do it
on on the iPad okay
[21:59] all right public address Mr Martins
anybody on public address here no sir Mr
[22:03] chairman
okay all right items uh
[22:08] 7A presentation of Williams Company
Southeast Supply enhancement project Mr
[22:15] Smith thank you Mr chairman um I think
we've got the folks from Williams here
[22:18] come on forward if you can um you guys
know about you m are you you know it but
[22:23] you had heard it in a while about the
big pipeline coming down from up North
[22:26] through right almost through the middle
of the state here running right by our
[22:29] area and these folks want to want to
update you on kind of the progress of
[22:32] the project so invite them here for
Thursday morning meeting how are you
[22:35] good morning Podium right there please
yep thank you good morning Commissioners
[22:40] thank you for your time um forward
backward thank you so uh my name is Kyle
[22:45] Tarpley uh I'm a community and Outreach
specialist with Williams um and I'm here
[22:50] to tell all of you today about our uh
proposed project plans um for the
[22:55] southeast Supply uh enhancement project
um it is a um this is sorry this is
[23:02] Williams footprint um I think you all
are pretty familiar with the Transco
[23:05] pipeline that runs through the area um
it has been um in service moving um
[23:12] volumes of gas um since the uh
1960s um this project um is meeting
[23:18] demand for affordable energy in Virginia
and the Carolinas as well as um Georgia
[23:23] and Alabama um the proposed project is
an expansion of our existing system
[23:29] uh the way we are moving this additional
volume is through looping uh which is
[23:33] laying pipeline next to our existing uh
pipeline Corridor so the impact to land
[23:39] owners and uh Land Resources is minimal
um as well as in uh
[23:44] increasing uh compression at our
existing compressor stations um along
[23:49] the line in Davidson we have one in
Lexington um that's uh we refer to that
[23:54] as station 155 that's on Becky Hill Road
um I got a question for you as we go is
[23:59] this refined gasoline is that what we're
moving no it's natural gas natural gas
[24:03] yeah dry natural gas um the same that
you might use to um to if you have a gas
[24:08] stove or um uh you know hot water
heating um the expansion uh will provide
[24:14] reliable um and um cost efficient gas um
to to the footprint um because we are an
[24:21] interstate pipeline um any changes to
our system are regulated by the Federal
[24:25] Energy Regulatory Commission uh we just
just last week um filed our what's
[24:31] called a 7c application um to um to uh
continue on with the development of this
[24:37] project uh we work not only with Federal
Regulators but um State as well so uh we
[24:44] would need to work with the ncdeq on um
water quality and air permitting as well
[24:49] and I have a a slide on that um later on
um this project will add approximately
[24:55] 1.6 million decms of gas um to our
system we have uh a lot of customers in
[25:02] the Carolinas primarily Duke and uh
pedmont who have come to us and said we
[25:07] we need more gas we need you to develop
a project to bring it um to our service
[25:12] area so that's what this uh project is
hoping to deliver
[25:16] on um this is the project map um
throughout the its entire footprint um I
[25:22] have I think I have a map for Davidson I
do um so as you can see it's quite um
[25:26] quite a large Geographic footprint
um for our company but that the whole
[25:30] Blue Line you see is just a piece of our
Transco pipeline that runs from South
[25:35] Texas up to New York so as I said
earlier it's we've been here we've been
[25:39] operating here we we hope we are good
neighbors and good stewards and we will
[25:43] continue to to to be so throughout the
development and hopefully execution of
[25:47] this
project um the North Carolina and then
[25:51] Davidson County specific scope of work
um is um 28.4 miles of pipeline looping
[25:57] um in this County it would be about 10
miles of of pipeline going in again as I
[26:02] said it was next to our existing right
of-way Corridor so we are you know we're
[26:07] not go it may be land that has not been
touched but it is within our right of
[26:11] way so we're not you know clearing
virgin land excuse me to um to to
[26:17] accomplish this um and then we are also
um undertaking upgrades to existing
[26:22] compressor stations in Davidson and ell
so um in Davidson um the up upgrades to
[26:28] the compressor station would be adding
three new low emitting turbines gas
[26:33] fired turbines at the station there have
been separate projects that we have
[26:37] undertaken at this station um to also um
undertake significant emissions
[26:43] reductions so it is not a part of the
southeast Supply enhancement but the
[26:47] company has undertaken work to um to
um retire um Legacy reciprocating uh
[26:56] engines and replace them with um modern
state-of-the-art uh turbin so what
[27:02] you'll be seeing at um at station 155 is
the culmination of of two different
[27:08] projects it would be our emissions
reductions uh program um which as I said
[27:14] retired those old uh engines and then if
this project is approved we would be
[27:19] adding three new turbines um we do not
need additional land um beyond our our
[27:25] fence line our property line uh with the
except of probably temporary
[27:29] construction workspace but we don't need
to acquire additional land to um
[27:35] accomplish the goals of this
project um so a little bit about our
[27:38] project schedule and permits um we
initiated our the pre-filing process
[27:43] with FK um in the beginning of this year
that's an opportunity it's it's a it's
[27:48] an elective uh process um for the
company to to get um to get feedback
[27:54] from local communities from land owners
um from opposition um uh and it it
[28:01] allows us to have um an open dialogue
with FK and participating agencies
[28:06] before we enter the 7c process so uh we
undertook that for nine nine or 10
[28:12] months out of this year um I'm sure
several of my colleagues have had um
[28:16] conversations I believe with the county
manager um before this so the company
[28:21] believes strongly in ongoing dialogue
and ongoing information exchange with
[28:26] our stakeholders and so you know we've
we've touched you before I'm here today
[28:31] and I I want to you know um make a
commitment that um this is an what I
[28:36] hope is an ongoing conversation
throughout throughout um our schedule
[28:39] and permitting um
Milestones um so as I mentioned we filed
[28:44] our application with FK uh just last
week um and that will kick off a a very
[28:48] thorough um environmental review that
that FK will undertake um they will
[28:53] examine uh the impacts of our project
the cumulative impacts of other
[28:58] infrastructure projects in the area not
just Federal but local as well um and
[29:03] they uh we expect that they will issue
um their final environmental impact
[29:08] statement um so you know everything that
the project might might bring to bear on
[29:13] on Water and Air resources um by the end
of next year
[29:19] um due to a a regulatory uh rehearing
process where um interested parties can
[29:26] challenge FKS um decision there is a
little bit of a delay in between when um
[29:31] FK issues our order and when
construction can begin so that's why
[29:35] there is a a gap in the in that in the
quarters of 2026 um and then hopefully
[29:41] the project is placed into service by um
the 4th quarter of
[29:45] 2027 in terms of mobilization and and
construction impacts in the area you're
[29:50] not going to see anything until until
that third quarter of
[29:54] 2026 um the major permits that we need
to apply for um in in the state include
[29:59] um uh the section 401 uh Clean Water Act
uh water quality certificate from ncdeq
[30:05] as well as um two air permits for
station 155 and station 150 um we expect
[30:12] that those will be um there minor
modifications uh according to ncdeq so
[30:17] it is a new source minor new source
review uh I do not know if there are
[30:22] public comment periods associated with
that but if there are we would be um we
[30:27] would um be happy to work work with you
to let you know that we would be back in
[30:31] the area um around that um that comment
and hearing
[30:36] time um just want to reiterate that um
while we are expanding um and increas
[30:43] expanding the volume of gas and
increasing the horsepower coming through
[30:46] that station uh because of the prior
work that Erp emissions reductions
[30:50] program work that we undertook and this
proposed work um the it's significant
[30:55] emissions reductions from um our what's
called a a potential to emit um in terms
[31:01] of nox and uh CO2 um so while there is
an increase in Horsepower uh we have
[31:08] taken steps to make sure that we are
limiting our impacts on the air
[31:12] shed um I did want to just take a little
bit of a um a you know moving away from
[31:17] just the project and talk more about um
some of the economic uh impacts um
[31:22] especially in this County uh that yall
can expect um this is just so this is a
[31:27] it's a 1 point I think it's a 1.5
billion investment from the company uh
[31:32] but in this County alone the total
capitalized investment um is expected to
[31:36] be over $34 million um about 130 million
of that comes from material and
[31:42] procurement expenses within the county
and another 175 million comes from
[31:47] construction and development costs I got
a quick question also said Casey this
[31:51] one's for you is this a taxable U uh
item that she's talking about I'm not
[31:56] sure I'll need to check uh we have
numbers I don't have them at hand but we
[32:00] have numbers that we can share with you
it's um there there's also um later on
[32:05] there's uh there's one time local tax
revenue benefit of that and that is I
[32:09] think that is that is from uh this uh
capital investment David would this be
[32:15] something you guys can check on to see
about property tax I think it might
[32:21] tax yeah okay all right excuse me I got
to ask as we go Okay so it's a good
[32:28] question thank you well While We're
stopped may I ask is this station 150
[32:33] and our you said 55 and 150 is 150 in
our area no 150 is in ell ma'am okay
[32:40] yeah thank you uh well close by um so um
the the economic impact um you know what
[32:48] kind of jobs y'all might expect to um
you know have in the area we're assuming
[32:53] a 12month construction schedule um and
so is estimated
[32:58] um that there would be 251 construction
jobs uh with about 40% of that coming
[33:03] from the local Workforce um $2.7 million
in wages and benefits and then an
[33:08] additional $9 million um in economic
output so that is all of the the extra
[33:13] the ripple effect of um the construction
um Workforce presence um in the county
[33:20] um and then um the the fiscal impact um
what y'all can expect to you know take
[33:25] um is um uh again this is um this is
anticipated um 3 million in a one-time
[33:32] local tax revenue and that's from those
material and construction costs and um
[33:38] then an ongoing $1 million in annual
[33:43] revenue that is that is what I have
question questions Mr chairman all right
[33:49] Mr shers has got a couple questions
thank you ma'am for that presentation
[33:53] can you go back to your uh I think did
one of those Maps uh did
[33:58] it go look at water or of that stuff I
don't guess any of them did uh a couple
[34:04] of them
maybe are you crossing water at any
[34:08] point here or um in Davidson um I I do
not know the answer to that I can get I
[34:14] I can get you that answer we do have a
few uh watersheds that we are going
[34:18] through do you know which ones they are
um the banister which I believe is more
[34:23] in Rockingham County um and the Dan
River
[34:27] up there
[34:33] too and those um those methods of
Crossing um we usually uh we have to
[34:40] assess the geologic feasibility of it
but we typically um under under Rivers
[34:45] do what's called horizontal directional
drilling uh so you know we we like bore
[34:50] down underneath the riverbed far enough
below for safety and then come back up
[34:55] the other side that is a very long
process C it's a lot longer than just um
[35:00] trenching pipe in in uh in open ground
um but we have um we have a history of
[35:06] doing it and doing it well um and we
don't undertake that process without a
[35:10] lot of um feasibility and um evaluation
on the front end okay and and my um my
[35:19] other question is you said you you were
looping
[35:23] so I'm assuming what you're saying is
for Layman you're putting in a bigger
[35:27] pipe
that is uh uh upgraded and and better
[35:32] for the environment are you taking the
old one down no so um you're going to
[35:37] have both of them running so we'll have
in this area we what um we actually have
[35:41] three what we call Main lines we have
three main lines right now and we would
[35:45] be laying a fourth one parallel to those
three okay and you are right that is a
[35:49] larger diameter pipe but the other ones
will stay in existence the other ones
[35:54] will stay in existence um you know as as
I mentioned at at the the beginning um
[35:59] our our system our the Transco system is
is at capacity um but we are an open
[36:05] system so if a a a customer like Duke
comes to us and says you know we would
[36:09] like you to develop a project uh to move
you know a x volume of gas for us we we
[36:15] have to we have to develop it and and
and try to permit it for you know for
[36:19] that customer once we have agreements in
place with them um so um that you know
[36:24] the these three lines are already moving
all the gas they can and that's why we
[36:28] need the fourth okay so when you say
looping does that mean that it's it's
[36:33] it's circling it's not circular no it's
just um it's just circular I mean the
[36:38] the products moving
continuously in in the lines well it it
[36:44] is it it will be it'll be constant flow
of gas but it's it it could either flow
[36:50] north or south um part of not not in
Davidson but part of the um our uh
[36:56] what's our projects scope in um in
Alabama and Georgia is actually um to
[37:02] we're not putting in new pipe but we are
um making modifications to change the
[37:07] way that those pipes can flow currently
um they're flowing uh uh north um but
[37:13] because there's so much gas coming from
the marcelis uh we have a need to be
[37:16] able to have uh some gas come south from
you know West Virginia and Pennsylvania
[37:21] down to markets um in the Gulf Coast the
gas here is is staying here we have
[37:26] customers all along on our footprint not
just Duke we have municipalities in
[37:30] Georgia and Alabama who who are taking
small deliveries of gas um so it the
[37:35] this really is this is not a um a Market
expansion this is a a a local
[37:41] distribution um you know like like it is
a local customer demand um Expansion
[37:47] Project but we do need to be able to
have our pipe flow north and south I got
[37:52] you I just I'm going
work but I'm good you got anything Mr
[37:57] yeah
for not a question but I'd like to thank
[38:02] you uh energy Independence for all of
our nation is number one on our priority
[38:07] and uh after the most recent election we
know that there's going to be an uptick
[38:12] in production here so we support y'all
1,000% we hope that you're adding more
[38:16] lines to go through where we can be
energy independent here in the United
[38:20] States of America thank you for what
you're doing if it can drive down and
[38:25] provide gas to um I mean our countyy is
growing heads over Tails so we're going
[38:30] to be needing more capacity too so thank
you for what you're doing I think y'all
[38:34] have done a tremendous job thank you
thank you for your time I got one other
[38:37] question these turbines that you say you
upgrading to do you have a picture of
[38:41] those or can you give us I don't but I
can I I can certainly find a model like
[38:45] there um because it's hard to read on
this map here um but there we employ
[38:50] different models from different um
companies um solar is one um so I'm sure
[38:55] I could I'm sure I could um ask our
engineering team for you said this is a
[38:59] a wind turbine is that no no no gas
fired well okay gas fired but there's no
[39:05] so is it set in the ground under the
ground so um the the so the the turbines
[39:10] are uh will be like enclosed in a in a
building um I actually I have renderings
[39:14] that I will I will leave um okay with
you if I may please um and to show you
[39:19] what the existing site looks like and
then what you can expect it to look like
[39:23] um when construction is complete um but
these are you know these are these are
[39:27] large large engines that are housed in
you know um steel sided buildings and
[39:34] then they are connected to um you know
valving and piping underground I go you
[39:39] okay all right yeah if you don't mind
sharing that chairman look something
[39:42] like that yeah like
it yeah I'd like to see the size and
[39:48] that kind of thing they are not they are
not small sir but um but I I I think
[39:52] you'll with I think the renderings will
help and then um um you so you'll not
[39:56] you'll not see the turbin from the
street you'll just see the the building
[39:59] and I guess they soundproof and not very
they're sound attenuated um and the
[40:04] newer models that we are using um
definitely have um uh better deciel
[40:10] levels than than than the old ones that
we had to retire so it'll be quieter
[40:15] than the ones that's there now they they
should be um also because we are
[40:19] federally regulated FK has a decel level
um that that we are required to achieve
[40:26] from the nearest noise sensitive area
and the way that that is Def a noise
[40:30] sensitive area is usually um measured
from our fence line not from the not
[40:36] from the building but from our fence
line to I don't know what the number of
[40:40] feet is I I can't recall but you know
500 feet 1,000 feet you know from that
[40:45] fence line we are determining what the
the decibel level is we will be um we
[40:51] usually do I don't want to I'm fairly
certain that we will undertake um pre
[40:56] and post post construction noise studies
um if we are not doing that um I will I
[41:01] will let you know um but that's a that's
a very typical practice that we
[41:04] undertake especially with with new um
this isn't a new site but new um new
[41:10] infrastructure at an existing site um so
that there should not be a perceptible
[41:16] difference in the noise coming from that
station and you said that's a f decimal
[41:21] it's a it's a it's a firk um FK puts
that uh that requirement on us and 55
[41:27] ibles is just a little bit louder than
the hum of your refrigerator 55 is that
[41:31] the um that's the F that's the FK limit
if you don't mind send that information
[41:35] to Debbie and Debbie pass that along to
Jason because I got some other thought
[41:39] processes uh I think we're thinking in
the same same direction
[41:43] yeah okay all right there no other
questions uh thank you very much good
[41:48] presentation anything else you needed
from from them I I seem to mention
[41:52] something about a letter of support for
a resolution resolution or something of
[41:56] that nature well I mean if if if you're
so moved um we have had um certain
[42:01] counties and other Footprints of this
project um offer suppor of resolutions
[42:07] um uh about the project and about the
benefits in in their County um and um
[42:12] they have been posted to the the FK
docket which is like the the public
[42:16] record for the project um if if that is
something um that you would even
[42:22] consider um we could we could Supply
draft language for that if you don't
[42:26] mind is that something is that be good
with me I don't you can we have a
[42:30] meeting next Tuesday night if you can
get it to me in a template and I'll let
[42:33] out and take a look at it okay yes we
can do that thank you all right thank
[42:37] you thank you very much U next item on
the agenda 7B discussion installing
[42:43] microchip scanning stations for lost
pets Mr chairman before I do that M Paul
[42:48] if I can just a real quick can I move
ask that the board move 9h up for this
[42:52] discussion real quick Heather hedrick's
here from day Martin I think she's got
[42:55] to leave it's not I think it'll be a
terribly long item we can please okay
[43:00] we'll move that item up um and I think I
can walk you guys through it um
[43:05] Partners has a remaining balance ofe
money of $279,000 that didn't get draw
[43:11] down I guess over last year or the year
before something of that nature anyway
[43:15] it's available to us to use for mental
health services Trish and I got together
[43:19] with uh uh with them to get their kind
of blessing for adding basically two
[43:24] more staff members to do crisis
management helping an ass assisting in
[43:27] areas we know we got problems with you
know uh permanency planning and child
[43:31] welfare so it's it' be a one- time use
of the funds last for a year to use the
[43:36] 279 to add staff and the operating that
goes along with it if you guys are okay
[43:40] it's not coming through your books it's
money you've already give that they have
[43:44] on their side if that makes sense I
would ask that the board entertain
[43:47] partners and daymart working together to
amend their agreements to provide this
[43:51] service for okay what number was that
case 9 78
[44:01] okay so this is um this is Partners
money no it's you know you guys give
[44:06] them money every year so it's your money
and that's why I'm asking you for
[44:09] permission your permission because I
don't feel like you know you guys in
[44:13] charge of where it goes but remember
it's for mental health services we gave
[44:16] it to them for that so I kind of got
with them on the front end and said with
[44:20] this type of service be okay and they
agreed and said yes it's fine so um I
[44:25] talked to them about opioids a little
bit and that couldn't get kind of the
[44:28] opioid part covered with um tied unless
it's all for mental health does that
[44:32] make sense so I'm okay with this cuz you
guys know we kind of you know we need to
[44:37] beef up our our service area down there
in permanency planning and child welfare
[44:40] anyways so is this something TR you want
to explain maybe what
[44:46] um is this somebody that's going to be
working through you and maybe we talked
[44:50] about this at the DSs meeting I don't
[44:54] know
together so so um when when I've talked
[44:59] to the board both DSS and this board um
you hear from me the uh case loads have
[45:06] increased the complexity of the cases
the situations families find themselves
[45:11] in are often above um and Beyond the
scope of what my staff can handle
[45:18] because of mental health drug use um and
so in talking to Billy and Heather and
[45:24] the folks at
Daymark um when this money became
[45:27] available through partners because it
had not been spent um from the county
[45:32] mou we talked about adding staff who
would be um DSS house but Daymark staff
[45:41] they would go out with DSS staff on
initiating reports and when families are
[45:47] escalated when there's mental health
they would be there to help and then
[45:52] after we leave um or even while we're
still there they would visit the family
[45:57] and if dayar has Services they can
provide they would sort of add those
[46:02] services to the family or help us
connect the family to other services and
[46:06] we feel that this will help potentially
keep some children out of foster care um
[46:12] and help our families move along and
we've had some very very difficult cases
[46:16] so with the support of the clinical
staff and and um Partners called it more
[46:22] of a community outreach sort of
extension kind of program but it is a
[46:28] definite partnership and then if Daymark
has um if the staff that's working with
[46:35] us doesn't have the capacity or the
ability to fully serve then Daymark has
[46:40] other services that we can link to and
we feel like that will be a really good
[46:45] benefit for our fam so is is this going
to be money that you'll see that it
[46:50] draws down from and if they don't use it
I mean it it's 279,000 for a year I here
[46:57] right all right Partners is adding the
money to Daymar contract and we will
[47:04] together monitor it and if there are
services that we could expend the money
[47:09] on that let's say we haven't expended
all the money then Billy and Heather
[47:13] they're committed to to making sure that
but they they could be credits too
[47:17] though if they don't use all the money
right and it could roll over roll over
[47:21] so it can roll over Partners I I'm not
sure if there will be any money left but
[47:26] I believe we talked about it did not
have to be because we're almost through
[47:30] this year right so there may be some
rollover um and partners was willing to
[47:35] do that um we've worked with Jackie
Copeland when uh Casey and I met with uh
[47:40] the CEO they were very supportive of
this and other lmes do similar things
[47:46] and so if it's successful we might be
able to like have a program that
[47:50] partners then provides you know outside
of what we already do right so this this
[47:56] starts this started in
July well no it hadn't started yet but
[48:01] the money would have started in July is
that what I'm well I'm not sure yeah I'm
[48:06] not sure how it came about they had
money available it's it could have been
[48:09] from the past and it's it's multiple
years worth of funds that somehow didn't
[48:12] get draw down if that makes sense I got
you we thought it was tied to a bill and
[48:16] Trish went through all our bills and we
we talked to them about it when they
[48:19] came and said are you sure there wasn't
a bill that didn't get paid that you now
[48:22] we found no they went through their
books and said no this is 279 is
[48:26] available and I said okay well then you
guys are owed cuz you gave the money
[48:30] right to declare what you would like to
put it to that's why we're here this
[48:33] morning so that's a that's a great
question from the chairman does this
[48:36] money go until the calendar year or the
fiscal year like he was talking about it
[48:41] would it would go until it runs out so
if it stretches across the fiscal year
[48:45] it doesn't matter it's going to go till
the 279 is gone we anticipate it being a
[48:49] 12-month process that makes sense I mean
it may bleed into 15 months or something
[48:54] of that nature I mean do we know what
the charge is for these folks here that
[48:57] you're wanting to so in your packet I
believe you have a budget and so they
[49:02] they've laid out the salary they expect
to pay that person Plus benefits and so
[49:07] um I don't have that budget in front of
attached to the but um so there that is
[49:12] the charge plus they've um committed to
Daymark has committed to some after hour
[49:18] support so you see that in so it's not
quite two positions but it gives us
[49:23] almost 247 coverage and typically um
when we were talking it could take up to
[49:30] four people to do this right because
you're doing
[49:33] 24/7 but they're committing to using
their existing programs to continue to
[49:38] support us so we're really getting a
bargain um at
[49:42] 1.8 position so we feel really good
about this and I know um when I talked
[49:48] to to Billy working through the process
I think it's going to be good for the
[49:52] community as
well okay
[49:57] so the
176 you're saying divide that into two
[50:01] so we're looking at
88,000 per person plus and that's the
[50:06] you know the benefits too well the
employee benefit start is on the next
[50:08] line so yeah I guess it would be well I
think that includes some supervision so
[50:13] it's probably 1.8 but those people need
some supervision and if it so clinicians
[50:21] you've got staff cases so there's going
to be some administrative so it may we
[50:26] actually may get more than
1.8 out of that salary am I saying that
[50:32] right you are right so I don't want to
all these Physicians will have to be
[50:37] clinically supervised these folks will
have to have a clinical supervisor on
[50:41] call
247 in case we need to respond with CPS
[50:45] to an after hours call and one of our
staff members is going out if they have
[50:48] a clinical question they have to have a
licensed person that they can be able to
[50:52] staff that case with to come up with a
plan of action so because this is going
[50:56] to be a 247 service where we're going to
make ourselves available to Trish and
[51:00] her team whenever they need so that they
have a partner and somebody who can
[51:05] actually go out with CPS when you guys
get these late night calls it is more
[51:12] um cost uh more cost because of the 247
coverage and the need to have the
[51:18] availability of a qualified license
staff who can provide support to that
[51:21] staff we want to provide quality care
and make sure that those clinical
[51:25] decisions are made timely quickly and by
an appropriate staff
[51:29] person if I may Mr chairman I may be
confused here and what
[51:34] I'm seeing but it says crisis it says
admin on call
[51:41] 75,000 and then Crisis Care manager so
both of these are the what I'm seeing
[51:47] and what I'm understanding is the two
positions that you would be adding to
[51:51] Daymark would be two supervisors not
staff people no there will be two staff
[51:57] people who will have to be
supervised where I can see the licensed
[52:02] staff so we we call um the like um their
case managers or care managers they're
[52:10] not really supervisors that's their
title but they manage a case so that's
[52:16] why they're called
managers is that what you're looking at
[52:20] yes where it says Crisis Care manager
yeah so that is a crisis care social
[52:24] worker staff person but the title is
care manager or care coordinator we have
[52:30] case
managers it's just the term it's really
[52:34] not a supervisor or manager as we would
think of it in like supervision would
[52:41] that be accurate
J well a big part of that is overtime
[52:46] that's what you're see if you look to
the right you see that's what Heather's
[52:48] talking about since you're getting
24hour coverage that the 176 is builing
[52:53] in
overtime and that was my because we do
[52:57] so much um we have so much um emergent
need after hours we're
[53:04] seeing very very difficult cases
children with um you know brain brain
[53:11] damage I mean there's been a lot of
physical and and there's just been a lot
[53:17] going on in our community so these
positions will help staff and the
[53:21] families when we go out and see these
crisis situations
[53:26] like everything else I just want to make
sure we track it okay and make sure
[53:30] we're getting a good bang for a buck
absolutely I mean if this person's only
[53:34] going out once every two months then
well they would be house with us so the
[53:39] intent would be um they may not go out
on every call if we get a h a call
[53:45] that's let's say a dirty house um we
would not um probably partner with them
[53:51] but then we would maybe have them go
with us on a pery planning cas where a
[53:57] foster child is having an issue or the
foster parent is struggling with some
[54:01] behaviors of the foster child so they
will support all of gel welfare um but
[54:07] we will ask them to go out on those
really really difficult when we get a
[54:11] call and we're like oh my gosh we really
need some support and that so it will be
[54:15] a multi factored
um process they won't go out with every
[54:22] CPS you will track it for us then and
let us yes we will make sure that we
[54:25] come up with
um reporting or what sort of
[54:29] reporting or something so our staff do
day sheets and we could do something
[54:34] like that so we know what what kind of
usage because you saying this may be
[54:37] something that's needed in the future so
we need to see if it's something that's
[54:42] uh for sure beneficial my concern is you
know that just the math is technically
[54:49] not math and for me cuz when you take
the the 176 and I know that includes the
[54:54] overtime but you know despite that it's
like 88,000 I know you've got 75,000
[55:00] over here but then the benefits package
that's almost
[55:04] 19,000 a little bit over a person um
you're looking at over 100,000 per
[55:10] position we want to make sure that these
positions are doing what they need to do
[55:13] uh we we push that to our employees that
hey look at your total benefit P benefit
[55:19] package that's what you make a year so
if these individuals are making over 100
[55:23] Grand a year then we want to make sure
that they they're being used ad quately
[55:26] and we can track what they're needing to
do um just that's just for me uh may I
[55:33] say something sir yeah go ahead okay
okay I think I think what this is going
[55:38] to
help knowing what our social workers do
[55:42] and and that's one of their complaints I
think uh is that they have so many cases
[55:48] you know and having to do these cases
overnight you know it gets to be a a
[55:55] very difficult job so this could be
additional help for them as well would
[56:02] you wouldn't you agree so these folks
would not be initiating reports because
[56:06] they're not DSS staff but they would be
supporting and providing both I I think
[56:11] the support to the social worker because
they have a buddy to go out with but
[56:15] also to the family which again
alleviates some of the heavy burden on
[56:21] the social worker and when when we can't
be there because our loads we're we're
[56:27] some cases we're required to be there
once weekly but sometimes that's not
[56:32] enough when a family is in crisis and
we've got somebody who's using drugs or
[56:38] having Mental Health crisis that once a
week contact for an hour with their
[56:42] social worker is not enough so this
position will provide that additional
[56:47] support to the families and again we
hope that it will limit or help us avoid
[56:53] kid more kids coming in fost cuz we have
almost 210 children in foster care we
[56:59] have increased tremendously since July
so we are hoping that this will really
[57:04] help sort of manage some of those things
so we don't have to jump immediately to
[57:08] filing a petition for coming into foster
care yes with the amount of money that's
[57:14] been
allocated that's been allocated how how
[57:18] long do you expect this to to
last I think the budget is for a year so
[57:24] we're we're hoping it will last the full
year year um and I think that will be up
[57:28] to um us Daymark and us to make sure
that hey our overtime budget is more
[57:34] than we projected or those are things
that we'll have to manage so we will
[57:39] keep um very close eyes on it and
Heather and her team already track the
[57:45] case management work so they've got
tracking systems so I feel really
[57:50] comfortable and we can add like a day
sheet or something like that for us so
[57:55] that we can also see sort of daytoday
what they're doing your opinion Trish do
[58:01] you see that the a program such as this
could work against the foster care
[58:08] program that we have by uh someone
there's a reason you take a child and
[58:14] put them in foster care but by looking
at that child and saying we we'll let
[58:19] them stay in this right here and end up
being a dangerous situation for the
[58:23] child no no so the we would never um if
the if we go out I mean if the situation
[58:32] requires removal it requires removal and
we would not say oh we're going to put a
[58:36] Band-Aid on it um but what we're hoping
is that there are some situations that
[58:42] had we had a little more support we
could have
[58:45] avoided taking custody it wasn't so
severe that we had to do an immediate
[58:50] removal but it was severe enough that
that family needed some services and had
[58:56] we been able to put those earlier on we
may have saved a child from having to
[59:01] come into foster care sometimes it's
parents not knowing how to manage the
[59:05] child's Behavior because it's so
difficult traumatizing to the other
[59:10] siblings in the home or the parents they
just don't have the capacity or they
[59:14] don't know how to access their Medicaid
benefits or they don't know how to
[59:18] access the care coordination system and
so this will help I think sort of take
[59:24] their hand and walk walk them through
the process so I do think it's going to
[59:29] be a good thing I really do it's not
something my staff have time to do with
[59:33] the volume of work I I got a quick
question what what will these folks be
[59:37] able to do since they're not DSS
employees so what what kind of um
[59:43] communication can they have with the
families what what what would be the
[59:47] guidelines that that these folks would
would be able to do from what I hear the
[59:51] family can get support from this person
too correct yes okay okay so what would
[59:57] be the parameters of so I mean they
can't initiate reports but they would be
[1:00:02] um with us when we do and they would be
able to I'm not talking about when they
[1:00:08] with you I'm talking about when they're
not with when they're not so they can so
[1:00:12] when we go out that let's say the family
needs to link up with mental health
[1:00:16] services this person would exit us and
then start working with the family even
[1:00:22] when we're not there they would help get
them um service they would go out and
[1:00:27] talk to them maybe it's just somebody to
talk to they would do some clinical work
[1:00:31] and Heather can speak more to that but
they can do the full gamut of what
[1:00:35] dayart
provides
[1:00:38] and some of what we do connecting them
with other services and probably spend
[1:00:44] more time with families transporting
there yeah I'm trying to think of all
[1:00:49] the things there's there's a lot
there'll be a lot of opportunity for us
[1:00:53] to be flexible to meet the needs of the
individual families and what their needs
[1:00:57] are but you can think of this as the
glue so these folks will kind of be the
[1:01:01] glue to help make sure that they stick
to the plan that DSS has outlined for
[1:01:07] them which because of the staffing
issues is really hard for your staff to
[1:01:11] do right now so we will be the glue to
make sure that this person does follow
[1:01:15] through and get that clinical assessment
follows through with the recommendation
[1:01:19] to go to detox follows through with
getting therapy in place making sure
[1:01:23] that they're using all of their Medicaid
Ben benefits appropriately those are all
[1:01:27] things that we can do to ensure that
again they're sticking to that plan so
[1:01:32] that those kiddos can remain outside of
the foster care
[1:01:36] system okay any other questions I've got
one
[1:01:40] more what happens when the funding Runs
Out is that something that when when
[1:01:46] when the funding Runs Out are are we are
we looking to fund this because I've got
[1:01:51] an issue and and it's nothing against
that I love Daymark I absolutely love
[1:01:55] what y'all do but here's the
deal our DSS program is taking on water
[1:02:03] and we're trying to save and help our
employees that are overworked and
[1:02:07] overstaffed and I know we've got this
money but this is a temporary fix to
[1:02:11] something that as the board we need to
look at if we need these folks if we
[1:02:16] need those Services I'd rather be
putting that money towards a service to
[1:02:20] where we can communicate like uh the
chairman said wholeheartedly you know
[1:02:24] with these families and and not have to
need the function of maybe another
[1:02:29] service just to keep us to where we can
run adequately you know I I want that to
[1:02:34] where we can do it and support you
internally so I'm concerned once the
[1:02:40] funding's out we're paying for all of
this moving forward and if we're going
[1:02:45] to pay for all this moving forward then
we need to look at it you know obviously
[1:02:50] if it's temporary and we can build a
budget behind you and help you out
[1:02:54] that's one thing but I've got concerned
with once the money runs out so we built
[1:03:00] this program as a pilot for us and um I
think I I said other lmes via and some
[1:03:08] of the other lmes are doing some this
but we already have a case manager
[1:03:13] embedded who's focused primarily on
placement and ccas and there you know
[1:03:19] we've got the case manager who's helping
the the jails the
[1:03:23] schools um there may some partnership
there that once we're better staff that
[1:03:29] we could morph some of these into that
existing position or is so successful
[1:03:34] that we can present to Partners that
we'd like to continue it I do not
[1:03:38] foresee that we're I it will be up to
daymart but I personally did not go into
[1:03:44] this to say this is another program that
I'm going to ask the Board of
[1:03:47] Commissioners to to fund so we're we're
trying to do it the with this and it's
[1:03:53] going to help us out now but it may
build enough capacity that partner sees
[1:03:59] that it could be successful and and want
to continue
[1:04:03] it in our County and other counties 104
that's all I have Mr chair okay well
[1:04:08] let's see how successful yall can make
it and if you would I'd like to see a
[1:04:12] report in about 6 months to uh the
manager and uh so we can kind of see how
[1:04:18] this pilot programs working so we can
tease out those details the two of us
[1:04:23] and we got to get to hiring that's right
okay okay thank you that's the problem
[1:04:27] you hire somebody for this and then you
got to stop it then there's people
[1:04:31] without jobs you know we always find
something for to do we always find
[1:04:35] something we can always use people
absolutely no worries about that all
[1:04:40] right thank you'all for your time this
morning thank you thank
[1:04:43] you you all are good with putting that
on the agenda
[1:04:47] for this is more of a common consent now
this won't be a negotiation for us this
[1:04:52] will be between Daymark and partners so
if if you guys are okay with it I mean
[1:04:56] I'm glad to give Partners the green
light to have that conversation with
[1:04:59] dayar there's nothing for the board to
approve in terms of an agreement or a
[1:05:02] contract or unless we wanted the money
back and then we' well and even then
[1:05:06] we'd have to turn around and uh well I'm
not sure how that would work either you
[1:05:09] know mean we give it to them for mental
health services so we try to bring
[1:05:13] commissioner Elliott's Point's valid in
the sense that we will have to decide
[1:05:16] when this is over hence the reason why
we look at the stats is this something
[1:05:19] we want to continue or not right now we
just got this one time money again
[1:05:22] Partners I I want to give I want to do
want to say this real quick remember
[1:05:26] this is in addition to the program that
they absorbed up where the state was not
[1:05:29] going to supply for the jail management
uh the schools and things like that so
[1:05:33] Partners albeit not right here in our
face all the time remember they're in
[1:05:37] the background and they've done a good
job of taking on these these issues and
[1:05:41] bringing them to us they came to me with
this now granted it's our money I got it
[1:05:45] but they came to me and said hey we have
this available what would you like to do
[1:05:51] soor Mr chairman are you aware we have
an emergency situation at the courthouse
[1:05:56] with sewage and water today yes sir
right now i' I've been told that they're
[1:06:02] looking at closing uh the courthouse
very soon and getting Disaster Response
[1:06:07] Team there to clean it up you heard
anything about that case I have not I'll
[1:06:11] find out probably need to yeah we need
to get on Casey whoever's telling you
[1:06:19] okay we have somebody on the way right
now toilets okay okay Surly they uh
[1:06:25] maybe few minutes but 104 thank you line
problem yes but I know where it started
[1:06:32] in the L's
bathroom the
[1:06:36] register all these ladies out no nobody
laughed or
[1:06:41] anything the women's
restroom all right I thought I could get
[1:06:46] a chuckle anyhow go on uh to microchip
scanning stations Casey if you thank Mr
[1:06:51] chairman um Paula come on up with your
folks there um Paula Barkley's
[1:06:57] affiliated with an organization you guys
are familiar with that helps us with our
[1:07:00] span neuter you know you guys provide
those matching funds to help do the spay
[1:07:04] and neuters and Paula came uh to me and
I think the chairman as well and asked
[1:07:08] about doing these uh microchip stations
them funding them paying for them Etc
[1:07:13] and putting them at locations in the
county one perhaps at the sheriff's
[1:07:16] office building and one at the animal
shelter whe the where the citizen does
[1:07:20] this themselves so I thought I'd bring
them for you this afternoon or this
[1:07:23] morning let you talk let them talk to
about what they want to do and then we
[1:07:26] can talk details after they're
done
[1:07:32] yeah good morning I'm Paula barley
co-founder of Davidson County animal
[1:07:36] Alliance we are here this morning to
share with you a microchip scanning
[1:07:41] station the station is a
collaboration between Davidson County
[1:07:46] animal Alliance every snout counts of
the pedmont and Davidson County Animal
[1:07:52] Control we are requesting permission
from you to locate one of the stations
[1:07:57] at the Davidson County Sheriff's Office
joining me are Robin Lindsay founder of
[1:08:02] every snout counts officer Souls of
Davidson County Animal Control Mindy
[1:08:08] Faircloth vice president of Davidson
County animal Alliance and Miss tidley
[1:08:13] Winks who's going to be our chip scan
model should you find a stray dog or cat
[1:08:20] in the county you would have access to a
microchip scanning station seven days a
[1:08:25] week 24 hours a day the stations will be
strategically located at facilities that
[1:08:31] are staffed Around the Clock like the
sheriff's department or fire departments
[1:08:35] throughout the county the scan stations
are fully equipped with a scanner and
[1:08:41] complete
instructions the stations will help lost
[1:08:44] pets with microchips find their way back
home quickly and safely without
[1:08:49] involving Animal Control veterinary
offices or the animal shelter
[1:08:56] how do they work you ready kly Winks
happy to demonstrate kly Winks will
[1:09:03] demonstrate all of you are welcome to
come down and practice scanning if you
[1:09:08] would
[1:09:17] like okay your SC out get
attached push the little power button in
[1:09:23] the center
[1:09:28] [Music]
[1:09:34] there it is it shows a number on the
screen you would scan this code with
[1:09:40] your phone it takes you to a lookup
Center where you would enter this code
[1:09:45] and it would give you the owner's
information so that the eliminate them
[1:09:50] have to take the dog to the vent or to
the animal shelter to be scaned it's
[1:09:54] eliminated
would youall like to try
[1:09:58] [Music]
it so this will be out there and anybody
[1:10:07] can walk up to it and I'm try it and uh
and I I I see it's in there on a chain
[1:10:14] and whatnot but do they have the ability
to it's the cop in but 30 some years of
[1:10:20] doing this somebody will figure out a
way to cut this off and sell it for
[1:10:24] something others
do they have that ability
[1:10:28] at locations where there staff 247 such
as the Sheriff's Department police
[1:10:34] department um or fire departments that's
why they would have to be located at
[1:10:38] those places to prevent
vandalism
[1:10:42] or
okay two of the places that you
[1:10:47] mentioned Paula was the animal shelter
well we've already got scatters out
[1:10:52] there we' that
vandalism issues or anything like
[1:11:00] that have we talked with the sheriff to
see if he's successful it being placed
[1:11:04] in sherff dep
okay okay have we also talked to like
[1:11:11] Denton police department and Lexington
and Thomasville we have not done that
[1:11:15] yet but we will so this is the only one
you're going to put in right now this is
[1:11:20] the only one we have right now the cost
is right at $400 for this as you see it
[1:11:27] okay so we have to did you get SC so we
have to ra funds to purchase the
[1:11:34] components and
assemble so I got a real quick question
[1:11:38] I was just looking up on my phone do
they make an app that you can scan uh
[1:11:43] microchips with from your
iPhone I just read it says they do so I
[1:11:50] don't probably the Apple Air tag um and
there I think there is app where you can
[1:11:57] get the microchip number and put the
number in but you have to have something
[1:12:01] to scan the microchip you would still
need this website you you still need a
[1:12:06] scanner
right that's pretty cool could be like
[1:12:10] say I was just thinking that'd be a
great idea for somebody to do an app
[1:12:13] need to invent an app for a phone yeah
just as just as recently as two weeks
[1:12:20] ago my son's dog got loose and he was
picked up and the people down down
[1:12:25] shelter called and said I got your dog
we just scanned him got your dog and we
[1:12:29] do have scanners on our trucks now we're
on the shift we do scan before putting
[1:12:34] them in the truck we've returned lot of
dogs back home just in the last two
[1:12:38] months since we've gotten the microchip
scanners um we're trying not to over
[1:12:42] populate our already overpopulated
animal shelter right now so if it has a
[1:12:46] scanner or if it has a chip and we scan
it and we get a hold of somebody and
[1:12:51] their home we take them home we don't
even take them to the shelter anymore so
[1:12:54] y'all just recently got scanners I would
have thought y would had scanners a long
[1:12:58] time
ago that is pretty cool 400 400 a piece
[1:13:02] that what you said well that whole setup
is $400 now the chip scanners we have in
[1:13:07] our vehicles were around $35 $40 um I do
get calls all through the night um
[1:13:13] citizens have figured out who I am and
somehow have gotten my Facebook or um
[1:13:19] tell cell phone numbers so I have people
in calling also all hours of the night
[1:13:24] they'll bring a dog by my house house
can you just scan this dog for me so I
[1:13:26] try to find the owner I can't take it
home the shelter's not open I have a dog
[1:13:31] that's not going to get along with this
dog I want to desperately find the owner
[1:13:34] um so I've had them as late as 1 and two
in the morning come by my house I get up
[1:13:38] and I go scan them at my truck um I
don't mind however I'd like to sleep um
[1:13:44] so this would provide that for the
citizens they wouldn't have right now
[1:13:48] they can only go to the emergency clinic
in Wiston Salem so if their way out in
[1:13:52] Denton they're taking them home well
then You' got a dog by
[1:13:55] because to their their dog and this dog
got to a fight trying to hold the dog
[1:13:59] until the shelter open tomorrow so now
I'm doing a fight report and picking up
[1:14:03] the dog and now the dog's get someone um
so hopefully would eliminate some of
[1:14:08] that um I know was speaking with Sheriff
Simmons um the concern was somebody
[1:14:12] would dump the dog um that's another
reason we were trying to put them
[1:14:16] somewhere we've got video camera or
someone that you know could be around so
[1:14:20] if somebody does dump the dog um I feel
like if they have this available the
[1:14:25] people that are picking up dogs right
now are not going and then dumping them
[1:14:29] um they're trying to take them home but
at least with this they could scan and
[1:14:34] hopefully that dog will going want to go
back home that night and then maybe we
[1:14:37] prevent a dog fight if they go to
trouble to seek out one of those with a
[1:14:41] dog they not certainly not going yeah I
like it I agree Sheriff Simmons is going
[1:14:47] to tell you about do we have a place in
the Southern and the county Todd we
[1:14:50] could put one in how B they are you know
that'd be up to the
[1:14:57] um well we don't have anything as far as
the county except the library and I'm
[1:15:01] not so sure you want to scan I
like it is needed just about a week and
[1:15:08] a half ago had a a dog come up to our
house and uh and we didn't know where it
[1:15:14] was at who it belonged to but we were
able to scan it it does work we located
[1:15:19] the owner had it back to the owner in a
couple of days so we kept the dog until
[1:15:23] we it till we figured out the scan I
didn't know about it but it works so you
[1:15:29] say the scanners is only $35 that you
use on your truck one weight order for
[1:15:33] our truck are um big the I tell you the
biggest expense is probably all the
[1:15:40] hardare right now yeah I'm not talking
about that one I'm talking about the one
[1:15:43] you having your truck $35 that's a very
inexpensive piece of equipment you know
[1:15:48] ship shipping but I think it was maybe
I'd have to get the receipt but I think
[1:15:52] they were like0 something dollars a
piece I can't believe we hadn't been
[1:15:55] scanning pets for years I that would
have saved us a lot of
[1:16:02] work I love AK scan of quity
[1:16:12] scann just a SC just sherff before you
leave what was you planning on placing
[1:16:17] this at at the sheriff
department hadn't really thought about
[1:16:21] it I was thinking about you know we
hadn't got there there yet but somewhere
[1:16:26] in the parking lot there next to a
camera mhm cuz we do have
[1:16:31] video cameras and everything you're good
with it they're paying for it I don't
[1:16:35] see uh I don't have any issue at all as
long
[1:16:41] [Music]
as I'm all for that I am too I love
[1:16:46] because I think the returns would be
would far out way the investment and I
[1:16:50] like the idea of the fire departments
that are open 24 hours
[1:16:55] throughout the
county we can't give them permissions
[1:16:58] for the fire department well no you have
to go to the fire departments but most
[1:17:02] of them go for um maybe I don't why
can't we open that up to adopt a
[1:17:07] microchip scanner and we can get a sign
made in memory of or an honor of like
[1:17:12] they do the highway sign you know that
would kind of be a fundraiser that's
[1:17:16] brilliant that is a great idea I would I
would do that that is brilliant that
[1:17:21] whole thing and put it up somewhere that
that right there is brilliant
[1:17:28] yeah I ain't ly I have a question about
chips and dogs how how how how many
[1:17:34] people do you think actually have chips
so right now um when we go out and we're
[1:17:39] picking up a dog and it gets returned
off say we have to go there for to check
[1:17:44] to make sure they got already these
vacine done always run that large um I'm
[1:17:49] telling them hey if you go pay the $25
to get your dog microchip if I pick this
[1:17:55] dog up I'm going to bring it home as
long as your radies is current I'm going
[1:18:01] to bring it home if the rabies is not
current we then get with Robin here who
[1:18:05] goes in the field with us every Thursday
on her own dime wow does Ries vac seines
[1:18:11] for these people for
$7 so then that gets us kind of in with
[1:18:16] them we get familiar with the dog we
make sure they've got a RAB vaccine and
[1:18:21] if they're running around and we catch
them we bring them home set sa in a
[1:18:24] little bit money and it sa the shelter
space from having house for three or
[1:18:29] four days till trying to owner it's
really just by word of mouth but it's we
[1:18:35] are telling them each microchip I bring
home shelter does offer clins yeah two
[1:18:41] or three times a year microchip clinics
for people can get them done for St if
[1:18:45] you adopt from the shelter they're
microchipped right
[1:18:49] [Music]
[1:18:55] yes and I imagine with the once these
were to start appearing that more people
[1:19:01] would have their dog microchip because
nowaday think he's got to go to vet or
[1:19:06] he's got to go to the sh and Dr H we
just spoke yesterday um he's even
[1:19:12] willing to let us um put one of these at
his office out there on CL gr Church
[1:19:16] Road um he did say that he is getting
ready to do a clinic um soon we've had
[1:19:22] recent um cargo outbreak in in the
county in several houses um so he's
[1:19:28] getting ready to do it Clinic where he's
going to try to suit like a microchip
[1:19:31] day with the Ries and car vaccine to try
to get some of these people in there and
[1:19:36] do like a little small package where you
know they're not make a whole lot of
[1:19:40] money but at least he's helping get the
community vaccinated and then microchips
[1:19:45] and then obviously we're pushing it too
when we pick those up or go for complain
[1:19:49] about their dog running around the
neighborhood I'm starting to get some of
[1:19:52] the ones but sometimes I think on be
like you again um but the ones that I
[1:19:57] don't know that have a microchip is
definitely helpful for us and the
[1:20:00] shelter CU we don't have to CL them up
does those record and tell you how many
[1:20:05] scans and that kind of thing no
individual scan that's it
[1:20:11] yeah sounds like a good idea to me so
that's great as far as I'm concerned uh
[1:20:16] was the sheriff's good with it Sheri's
good with it yeah and his sheriff
[1:20:19] department
and yeah seriously you will
[1:20:25] know you need to get that information
out in the flyer so we can push it out
[1:20:29] seriously so people can can do that
that's a great idea put it on your
[1:20:32] website that people know put on our
website yeah that's tremendous tag in
[1:20:37] our website you thank you have a great
day before they go um and I had already
[1:20:42] mentioned this to Paul and talked with
about Adam it's small I know ardale
[1:20:46] County uses these and I called them and
talked to them I don't think they've got
[1:20:49] anything I thought about you know I'm
always thinking about the liability and
[1:20:52] things like that this located on our
property obviously it's it's going to be
[1:20:54] on our property it's going to be our
issue but you know is it worth having
[1:20:58] something in posterity like a small
agreement that says you know if it
[1:21:02] breaks or it falls apart this
organization is going to take care of it
[1:21:06] Etc we'll try our best to I guess is
there way to Dem toy us as much as
[1:21:10] possible Cas like or something just
something basic um so if the board's
[1:21:16] amenable to that I can get Adam to draft
something up let you guys see it make
[1:21:19] sure it's okay with you we'll bring it
forth on another another I think that
[1:21:22] needs to be done because we have other
organization that may want to do
[1:21:25] something right and years from now
something if it breaks and we're all not
[1:21:28] here and everybody goes how did they pay
for this who's doing it nobody will
[1:21:32] remember the story and then we'll know
at least what what happened will be
[1:21:37] responsible for installing it which
diing the hole quit creating it making
[1:21:41] sure it's level keeping the batteries in
it and all that stuff we'll be
[1:21:46] responsible for that Mr chairman to
Casey's point when and I spoke with
[1:21:50] idell County as well they they didn't do
any kind of an agreement and the reason
[1:21:54] why they didn't is cuz they actually
purchased them so they put them at their
[1:21:58] sites uh in the county so the county
owned them and and put them in there I
[1:22:02] think we just do a just a license
agreement it's just just a license for
[1:22:06] them to place it there and then the
license agreement would have everything
[1:22:10] have all the terms stated in it okay
that's sounds good thank you all good
[1:22:15] job have a good day thank you thank you
by T WIS have a good
[1:22:19] [Laughter]
day all right uh Mr M EMS request to
[1:22:26] purchase new cardiac
[1:22:30] monitors how you want me to help you
start this and off before you get you
[1:22:34] want me to help you before you get
started that's that's up to you if you
[1:22:38] want to talk to i' had forgotten this
until I brought it to my attention it's
[1:22:43] been six years now we bought uh cardiac
monitors in bulk and they've gone up
[1:22:49] substantially in price well we're at the
end of the six-year life cycle for the
[1:22:53] ones we have so all this kind of got
brought up with the notion of what do
[1:22:58] the current monitors collect in terms of
vital statistics for you know when
[1:23:01] they're out and um and 12 lead runs and
all those kinds of things currently now
[1:23:06] they'll they'll store those in the cloud
if I'm wrong correct me if I'm wrong 12
[1:23:10] leads will go to to the cloud um on Life
Net and then at the end of the call the
[1:23:16] medic is required for lack of better
word to push a button to push all the
[1:23:20] other data that goes to ESO now
sometimes they lose their Wi-Fi
[1:23:25] connection so then they have to remember
to come back and make sure it sends or
[1:23:30] they call kayin our uh QA Qi uh lady
that does that stuff to make sure they
[1:23:35] get that data currently on the 15s the
life pack 15s we have if that connection
[1:23:41] isn't made it has a total capacity of
360 minutes of memory so it doesn't have
[1:23:47] a whole lot whereas the new monitors the
LIF pack 35s they have they will keep 50
[1:23:55] patient records in its memory and each
record is up to 12 hours long so if
[1:24:00] there's a connection issue it'll hold it
there
[1:24:03] also every time the new monitor is cut
off it automatically sends all data to
[1:24:10] both wife net and to ESO um if the
connection's lost they don't have to
[1:24:16] remember to go back and make sure they
send it the next time it gets a
[1:24:21] connection and when they cut it off
it'll automatically send that data
[1:24:25] without them having to remember to do
that so it's got a lot of different
[1:24:28] capabilities as far as data um I do know
that when I talked to my salesman Darren
[1:24:34] he said that Wake County was looking at
the newer monitors because of the data
[1:24:39] collection and the data retention as
well so but yes the the prices are
[1:24:45] considerably more these are up these are
up for Renewal so the watch before you
[1:24:50] this morning is to ask you do you want
to buy and bulk again rather than just
[1:24:53] keep trying to do them East Mill and I
also had out and we had a conversation
[1:24:56] recently several of us about the uh the
automated stretch power stretch where
[1:25:01] they can pick it up so I asked them to
get the quote for that as well if we
[1:25:04] want to form those on every truck again
we've been doing those kind of Peace
[1:25:07] mill on trucks here and there this would
K it all and close it out so it's a big
[1:25:12] Bill but we were going to have to do the
six-year Cycles up yeah anyways well
[1:25:19] as stretchers is going to help us on
workman's comp
[1:25:22] in and Darren said he thought maybe we
that Rockingham got a break on the
[1:25:28] warman's comp we did stuff when we when
they put the powerload so we now have
[1:25:33] the automated stair chairs that will
climb up and down and then we add the
[1:25:37] stretchers it's probably going to reduce
our reoccurring workman's call workman's
[1:25:40] comp cost so is this $1.2 million is
that what 1.5 if you throw in the
[1:25:45] stretchers I've got a little bit better
of a break we got 1.2 but when we throw
[1:25:49] it into stretchers they actually reduced
it to 1.1 on the monitor
[1:25:55] and if you include the stretchers the
mounts the monitors and everything it's
[1:25:59] 1.5.37 the stretchers almost paid for
themselves Mr chairman after the
[1:26:03] reduction in Insurance really MH that it
will drastically reduce our workman's
[1:26:11] comp the stretch I you know used to when
I years ago when I was in firing EMS and
[1:26:17] stuff you had guys that you know look
like me out here you know picking up now
[1:26:23] you've got a smaller stat
person a lot of lot of females and they
[1:26:26] just can't pick a 400 lb person up and
put them in a when I started we picked
[1:26:31] them up and put them in the trucks yeah
so and then they come out with the the
[1:26:36] power lifts where they actually lift up
off the ground but you still had to hold
[1:26:41] the back of the stretcher and let the
wheels come up and push it in so now
[1:26:45] there's the arms that comes out you just
push the stretcher up to it and the arms
[1:26:49] hold it and you just push a button yeah
and pick the legs up and then you just
[1:26:52] push it in with your hands I I I think I
think personally seeing having seen them
[1:26:58] in in action and knowing what they do um
I think it's a a huge asset to the
[1:27:04] county and it's going to saved us money
all the way around money
[1:27:09] on it's going to save us money uh
through our uh insurance and everything
[1:27:14] else so where do this money come from
Casey
[1:27:18] that's you probably don't remember this
but when we did the budget we put up
[1:27:22] some funds in contingency and I have to
get with t I ain't staring at it right
[1:27:25] now remember it was it was the
difference in what we thought we're
[1:27:29] always our debt service budget's always
going down but we took what we think we
[1:27:33] going to have to do in a future
renovation on the jail and started
[1:27:36] applying that different so we don't lose
it does that make sense so you don't
[1:27:39] build a budget and then come up two or
three years from now and go we we got to
[1:27:42] come up with all this money to build
this that's in there you don't have this
[1:27:45] money budgeted no I I do I got it in
contingency now that's one possible
[1:27:50] place I think I would look to take it
from um just because you got in conting
[1:27:54] don't mean you got it built in your
budget no it's in there it's already
[1:27:57] budgeted but I you know I don't want to
have to use it this early in the game if
[1:28:00] I don't have to but this is so important
and again I wouldn't be here before you
[1:28:04] if I wasn't already at the end of the
six-year life cycle anyway so I'm I'm
[1:28:08] already at the end and I kind of like
the automated 12 lead and vital stuff um
[1:28:13] a little bit more than pushing the
button so while we're here anyway and
[1:28:16] replacing them might as well buy them a
bulk get the discounts and then the
[1:28:19] stretchers came up cuz several of us
were talking about this recently not
[1:28:23] long ago I I think a few few meetings
ago and so instead of doing them peace
[1:28:28] Mill it's a good chance to go ahead and
try to get some discount and do the
[1:28:32] discounts they've worked out is before
December and then if we wait the next
[1:28:36] budget year you're looking at somewhere
between 5 and 10% automatically a price
[1:28:41] increase on all of this so they're
holding the prices to the next price
[1:28:45] increase which comes sometime at the
latter part of the year and then then we
[1:28:50] don't if we if we budget them next year
there'll be another price increase
[1:28:53] unfortunately
out in the is there a reason and I'm
[1:28:57] sure you've looked at all of it but you
look at zo is there I know Z are
[1:29:02] expensive but I also know they have some
functions well we've already got you
[1:29:07] know we've got everything from Striker I
mean we certainly could look at the
[1:29:10] other products if if if we need to I
mean no I'm just asking D but we got
[1:29:15] maintenance contracts with Striker and
everything so we've got maintenance
[1:29:19] contracts with our lucases they come
from Striker our stretchers come from
[1:29:23] strier Striker and our monitor so it's
it's all from one one service okay so
[1:29:29] what Casey you said a six-year lifespan
where does that come from where does the
[1:29:33] six-year lifespan so they they said
they're six to seven years is end the
[1:29:39] life on them we bought those in
2018 and so obviously you get new
[1:29:44] software you get new technology the the
old life packs will only do 12 leads the
[1:29:49] new ones will actually do 15 leads the
old ones would but you'd have to move
[1:29:52] the leads around so now you can look at
even more angles of the heart on the 35
[1:29:56] you can look at 15 angles versus versus
12 so you can look some of the backside
[1:30:02] of the stuff and they've got some more
benefits that that's more Diagnostics
[1:30:07] with them got an automatic reader on it
too that yeah that's speak so the old
[1:30:12] ones don't have automatic reader as far
as I don't know what you're saying about
[1:30:16] what do you mean by automatic
commissioner sh Casey you and I were
[1:30:20] talking about the heart monitor on that
at the ens you had manually Pro talking
[1:30:26] automatic dat data
up automatically uploaded into the
[1:30:30] everything goes to two different places
every time they don't have to worry
[1:30:34] about it they don't have to think about
it if they lose connection when they
[1:30:37] come back and somebody cuts it on and
off again it's going to send them if it
[1:30:40] loses connection and it has a whole lot
more obviously a whole lot more memory
[1:30:46] in the monitor itself so that if it does
lose that connection you can be assure
[1:30:50] that it's going to be there next time
and how many years is that
[1:30:54] retained the clouds indefinitely for
life that
[1:31:00] yeah I mean case if you got the money
and you got it budgeted but sounds like
[1:31:04] that's a pretty good chunk of money to
and it'll be but it'll if we get to the
[1:31:07] end of next year it'll be 15 20% more
all right Fred's got a question you say
[1:31:13] it pays for itself how do we receive the
money uh I think commissioner ell says
[1:31:19] paying for on the reduction in workman's
comp on the stretchers yeah on the
[1:31:24] stretch yeah so it doesn't pay for it no
no the monitors don't the stretchers
[1:31:29] will help us on the workman's comp
renewal Pro whenever I hear that I
[1:31:33] always want to know where it comes from
me and you both absolutely so so what's
[1:31:37] the lifespan on these stretchers and
what's the lifespan on this equipment
[1:31:41] here uh the stretchers will they will
probably last 8 to 10 years um and
[1:31:46] usually the lifespan of the truck um we
usually rep replace the stretchers when
[1:31:51] we we buy new trucks but this will
update all of them and some of these we
[1:31:56] can hold and put them in newer trucks
and and push the lifespan out on them so
[1:32:01] that we don't have to replace them every
time we buy a
[1:32:04] truck I'm you can roll them over can't
you like a truck that's uh in a high
[1:32:10] call volume area using the same
stretcher taking one that's in the less
[1:32:14] volume replace it in that truck to
extend the life on it is that correct
[1:32:19] these are like power stretchers I mean
they got yeah so they they've got a
[1:32:23] button that you push that'll lift them
up and then they have the power load
[1:32:27] system so basically you push it up to
the back of the the amulance and it has
[1:32:31] arms that holds it you push the button
it picks the wheels up and then you just
[1:32:35] manually push it in slide it right in
the truck whereas some of them now they
[1:32:39] have to pick the back end of the
stretcher up and lift the wheels up and
[1:32:43] and you know burden all that weight on
the back side of
[1:32:47] it just takes a lot of the work when
you're talking about these monitors now
[1:32:51] I heard you say Well it go like 12 leads
um is that right you got 12 different
[1:32:56] leads yeah so yeah what you get at the
doctor's office or hospital when they're
[1:33:00] looking for a heart attack is they look
at what they call a 12 lead it just all
[1:33:04] the different sides of the hearts um
however you can look at more some of it
[1:33:09] on the back like a 15 lead they can do
it with the monitors they got now but
[1:33:13] they got to pull the leads off and put
them on the back and then run another
[1:33:17] one whereas this one you can put them
all on there and get all that
[1:33:20] diagnostics at one time and you can
monitor that continuously as well so
[1:33:24] that if you see someone actively having
a heart attack you can see the changes
[1:33:29] in the EKG as you're transporting them
to the C
[1:33:33] flap okay what's the board's
U well we continue driving those oh 64
[1:33:41] forwards or we can keep moving along
with the new
[1:33:44] technology and I think we're already
having as questions for some of the old
[1:33:49] equipment that we've had that didn't do
what this new equipment does so I think
[1:33:53] we we need to move forward with it all
right Mr chairman my only question is
[1:33:58] what we do with the old equipment some
they're being traded in mon get trade in
[1:34:02] value on those we'll keep a few of those
that we can use for special events and
[1:34:07] stuff like that that you know that they
get beat up a little bit it' be okay um
[1:34:11] but we we'll keep a few of them but
we're going to trade them in and we're
[1:34:14] going to trade in some of the older
stretcher equipment too that's worked
[1:34:17] into it good question he see it seems
like this is uh definitely something
[1:34:22] that you don't need to pinpoint in
budget because uh this is a pretty
[1:34:26] expensive yeah I had forgotten about we'
done this six years ago in the bulk like
[1:34:30] this um so six seven eight years from
now we'll roll it into the capital plans
[1:34:35] and have it on a rotation yeah this year
like I said I got the con Tim just
[1:34:40] reminded me I've got about $2 million
left in contingency so this is going to
[1:34:43] take all over a 500,000 I I don't never
budget any more than 75 grand worth of
[1:34:48] contingency anyway in any given Year
we're good I think and then stuff comes
[1:34:52] along in the year we've got to ability
maneuver that's that's one of the
[1:34:55] reasons why we build that budget like
that this stuff kind of comes up
[1:35:00] um this one here I wish I kind of known
a little bit more about it I start
[1:35:04] planning for it several years ago I mean
this is a big one I mean if I was going
[1:35:07] to spend a million and a half bucks
every 10 years i' probably want to know
[1:35:11] budgeted to that especially with like
EMS I don't that's a that's um
[1:35:18] Enterprise it's not an Enterprise but we
don't we lose money on that already so
[1:35:22] it's not like it's paying for itself we
not I wish we were you know I mean we
[1:35:28] can't go up on the rates anymore people
can't hardly afford to pay for an
[1:35:32] ambulance ride now so yeah yeah what do
our collection do we know what our
[1:35:37] collection rate is uh what number do you
usually set every year the last one I
[1:35:42] saw was 82 I mean probably it's probably
down now given you know the Staffing
[1:35:48] that had moved around you know you guys
approved some additional Staffing so
[1:35:51] they're staying about 3 months behind it
probably pulled them month out it was
[1:35:54] four when you guys approved it two
months ago yeah they've made up a good
[1:35:59] probably picked up cuz they've actually
hired some folks over there now we were
[1:36:02] at 87 at one point and then we went down
to 82 we've gone down some we're
[1:36:07] probably in the 70s right now I'd say
and um but as soon as he's now that you
[1:36:12] got full staff you'll start picking back
up we I can tell you this we closed the
[1:36:16] books last year and I just looked at the
prelim numbers we made more money than
[1:36:19] we did the year before so that's not and
that's not even with full sta you can
[1:36:24] imagine if we had five people over there
cooking on it all the time well I was
[1:36:28] actually talking more about the actual
collection what we're collecting not
[1:36:31] what we're talking about the money
figure I think he usually said it what
[1:36:34] 5.1 million or 5.2 no not that I'm
talking about you know we have trouble
[1:36:38] collecting from medic Medicaid and or or
some of that and at one time our
[1:36:44] collection rate was is this hard for us
getting our money so I didn't know if
[1:36:49] that was improved that's that 70s what
I'm talking about I mean we're probably
[1:36:54] aggregating around that number now cuz
it fell because we had two people over
[1:36:57] there you know we lost people you guys
approved some temp Staffing remember and
[1:37:01] then we did we actually found I go ahead
I mean one of them is Alton's uh new
[1:37:07] daughter-in-law I mean and she's
stepdaughter you know stepdaughter sorry
[1:37:09] you got you got folks over there now
that actually cooking so now the
[1:37:13] collection rate's going to start to pick
back up substantially um it's Stu picked
[1:37:18] up you just got better you just got more
people and they they got good skill
[1:37:21] level the folks they've got over there
now so I feel feel good about the future
[1:37:24] of that now we'll get back up in several
months yeah go ahead
[1:37:29] for whenever they send the U ambulance
bills if it's uh private pay they send
[1:37:37] to they send a bill to the individual
rather than to the insurance company so
[1:37:42] the individual winds up paying part of
it and then it's tough to get his money
[1:37:47] back on the other case as far as VA is
concerned they will not build VA you
[1:37:53] have to do that yourself I didn't know
whether there was a way that they could
[1:37:58] uh set the billing system up to where
they would be able to to build the
[1:38:02] insurance company and to build VA that
is that has been changed you guys
[1:38:07] approved to go directly to brw cross now
so we wrote that private paycheck going
[1:38:11] to the person and having their
discretion to give us our money piece
[1:38:14] out of the equation and that's one of
the things that's going to pick up the
[1:38:18] total collection and they've got the
software now they can actually search
[1:38:22] based on if they've got inform with
everything they get they can search if
[1:38:26] they got they and they yeah so that's
helped a lot with with collection but
[1:38:31] remember as part of signing that deal
with Blue Cross you were on a time limit
[1:38:35] a little tighter time in other words you
couldn't get behind and we F I think it
[1:38:38] was six-month limit that you couldn't
build for in other words if they gave
[1:38:41] you access to those records you can't be
searching for it for a year they cut it
[1:38:45] to like six months that's why we came
before you guys and said we're at four
[1:38:48] now we're creeping into dangerous
territory where we're going to lose
[1:38:51] money if we don't get going you the
staff we're cutting it back down once we
[1:38:56] get back to level it's all gravy from
there you're just billing on the regular
[1:39:01] site okay do we need to put this on the
agenda for on the consent agenda for the
[1:39:06] 12th
okay and and Debbie I'll get you the up
[1:39:11] updated quotes to put into the agenda
okay well Burl I think I'm sorry Alton
[1:39:17] you you you look so much like Burl
eyeses now
[1:39:23] I can't sing like him though I can
promise you
[1:39:29] that all right um 7D Fire Marshal
request to establish a countywide fire
[1:39:36] reporting
database good morning Commissioners I
[1:39:40] want to introduce um Kevin Hooser
Arcadia Fire Chief and Brandon Hutchins
[1:39:44] West lexon fire chief really quick want
to thank them for coming they're going
[1:39:47] to do a little show and tail for you
here in just a minute so all right but
[1:39:52] our office is currently using what we
call epr system fireworks um so
[1:39:56] basically what we're asking for this
morning is $929 to be move from rpb
[1:40:02] funds to build the
system um it will take epr around three
[1:40:07] months to build it
so what are what are the benefits of
[1:40:13] having a countywide system the system
will allow our office and all the
[1:40:18] Departments to share incident
inspections and prisent plan information
[1:40:22] which is very important when it comes to
you know emergencies So the prent plan
[1:40:27] allows us to share information such as
owner
[1:40:31] information um contact information
construction type and any life safety
[1:40:36] issues that the property has which is
important to these guys when they're
[1:40:39] responding to fires you know so really
quick Brandon is going to pull up and
[1:40:45] just walk you through what the system
looks
[1:40:48] like which is really what you want to
see you you want to see what we're well
[1:40:53] we're sharing in the cat bird seat now
didn't realize
[1:41:04] that waiting on the
internet it is internet based so you do
[1:41:09] have to you do have to have good
internet so where does this stay at
[1:41:13] where does this system stay at every
fire department each fire department
[1:41:17] will have their own but our s their
system will also link with ours okay so
[1:41:22] whenever we go in there and change it
information it changes on theirs when
[1:41:24] they go in there and change information
it changes on ours so everybody has the
[1:41:28] most upto-date current information that
is put into that system will you have an
[1:41:33] acknowledgement that another entity has
changed some in the system will you know
[1:41:37] that yeah
okay so if Thomas will goes to a fire
[1:41:43] and handles a fire that report will be
in there and Thomas just County Fire
[1:41:50] yeah okay um so uh West Lexington goes
in and does a
[1:41:55] fire and Walberg goes goes and does a
fire near the area or whatever they can
[1:42:02] go and look and see and all those
reports are in there and together that's
[1:42:07] that's good yeah yeah our this first
started um our our office had a software
[1:42:14] called streamline and we wasn't really
happy with it at all so we started
[1:42:17] looking at um different softwares that
would allow us to do different things
[1:42:22] and we went with this one we we found
out that Midway was already on it um
[1:42:27] Arcadia was on it West was on it so we
decided to go
[1:42:31] um and it just seemed to work out we got
started moving talking ideas and and we
[1:42:38] felt it was a really good idea to
combine all this and make one system so
[1:42:43] everybody's on the same page so is there
a cost to each fire department as well
[1:42:47] yes yes how much does it cost the fire
department it depends on what they
[1:42:51] decide they want to use um it's up to
them I do actually have a spreadsheet
[1:42:55] and I can give you a little idea um okay
usar systems likein probably tell you
[1:43:01] what his cost how many people us um for
Arcadia we're right at six grand a year
[1:43:08] um when I took over as fire chief we
were using a different program just for
[1:43:13] Staffing because
we we're we try to keep three a day
[1:43:17] we're fixing to go to four a day just
because of the growth and increase in
[1:43:20] call Value M um the calendar program we
was using when they sent to Renewal it
[1:43:26] was almost four grand um I was like this
is crazy and then I found out about
[1:43:33] epr uh fory County Davy County Gilford
county they all use it
[1:43:39] exclusively uh there's different modules
so you got your fire reports there's a
[1:43:44] training module there's a VI business
intelligence model uh and a staffing
[1:43:50] module and the system that we were
currently using what it was costing us
[1:43:55] when I took the cost of that plus the
cost of my Staffing program and put it
[1:43:58] together it was only literally less than
$1,000 difference but the reporting side
[1:44:04] of this and I'll get into that in a
minute uh made it worth it for me now
[1:44:10] what Brandon's pulled up here Brandon if
you want to talk about we call this a
[1:44:13] pre-entry survey so by us being able to
link our accounts together so this is in
[1:44:20] West Lexing and Fire District if arcad
responding to this
[1:44:25] District I've never seen this
building but I can hit the response mode
[1:44:29] mton which is where Brandon sitting
right now and I can see and I'll let
[1:44:34] Brandon explain all those little icons
you see there right so um as he
[1:44:39] mentioned this is a test call that we
had Communications you gave me a heart
[1:44:43] attack that's our senior services
B I did that intentional using your
[1:44:49] building because I didn't want to show
information since it's technically a
[1:44:52] public meeting um that could be somebody
else's that's right um in this section
[1:44:58] this like he was saying this is what we
would see when we're responding to the
[1:45:01] call not every department has access to
the cad system uh due to some
[1:45:07] regulations that you have to go through
working with the county and extra fees
[1:45:10] and some people don't want to do that
but they all have to do fire reports so
[1:45:14] if we utilize this system um you get
access to the same information that you
[1:45:19] get from CAD but it's it's based on what
we put into it so in this one like I
[1:45:25] said this is you guys a building um you
can see on the map that's pulled up all
[1:45:29] the icons on the building that show us
where the alarm panel is uh Gas shut
[1:45:34] offs electric shut offs I love it
towards the top of the screen and and
[1:45:38] like I say this is all based on what we
put into it uh and what some of this
[1:45:43] information will come from GIS which is
another neat feature that's tied into
[1:45:47] this software but like hydr locations at
the top of the screen right where water
[1:45:52] shut off there's also fire hydrants
there and currently you're looking at a
[1:45:56] Google map so we have all the features
of a Google map if you want street view
[1:45:59] you slide the little man to the street
and for Kevin who's never seen this
[1:46:03] building now he's looking at what he's
pulling up to um we also can ED
[1:46:09] additional pictures if there's something
very specific that we want to share with
[1:46:13] everybody maybe the location of a ox box
or whatever fature it may be those can
[1:46:19] be there the icons across the top are
going to allow us access different
[1:46:24] information um one of those is a simple
measuring tool if we wanted to measure
[1:46:28] distance from hydrants um distance to
other structures that we're concerned
[1:46:33] about being
involved the circular icon is the same
[1:46:38] thing we can shade in areas if we want
to if this was a very large incident and
[1:46:42] maybe we're creating staging areas or
areas of uh you know safe zones for
[1:46:47] people to stage in uh following that
you'll see an icon for WS so maybe uh
[1:46:52] you're responding to this area from
Denton I don't know State Building and
[1:46:58] we need help and you have no idea where
it's at you can utilize waves um or the
[1:47:03] following button which is the Google
Maps button and it'll direct you to the
[1:47:07] scene so turn BYT turn directions the
ezri button next to that is uh showing
[1:47:13] you a ezri layer um it's just a
different map to be honest with you as
[1:47:17] far as the background it's not really
anything significant the following icons
[1:47:21] though is where we start pulling data
um from the cad system so if I click
[1:47:26] this one here and like I said this is a
test call but even if you don't have
[1:47:30] direct access to CAD you can pull up who
called it in if maybe it's an accident
[1:47:35] we're looking for we need a call back
number and also any CAD notes so uh a
[1:47:40] lot of times in the cad notes we'll have
specific information maybe a key code to
[1:47:44] get into a
door um information about trap victims
[1:47:49] possible locations of victims how many
people are there things of that nature
[1:47:53] so all that's accessible um following
that you can start looking at times this
[1:47:58] really isn't important when you're on
the way to a call but it may be more
[1:48:01] important to the fire chief or who's in
command if they're looking at what time
[1:48:05] we actually get this a call um how long
it took to dispatch it people in route
[1:48:11] Etc obviously those aren't complete cuz
I didn't check in
[1:48:15] [Music]
around um Chief while you're talking
[1:48:19] about this is this something that's on
on the MDT and the trucks you guys can
[1:48:24] be looking at on your way there and so
forth or is it only in the command
[1:48:28] Vehicles it is based on every Department
going back to the cad access thing I was
[1:48:33] talking about at West Lexington every
truck has a tablet and this is on every
[1:48:37] one of them which we have cat as well
but um our CAD is in the same position
[1:48:42] they have computers and and have the
same access unfortunately every
[1:48:46] Department doesn't have that but if
you're riding by yourself it's it's hard
[1:48:50] to use it anyway sure unless your
department the staff multiple people
[1:48:54] it's probably not quite as big a benefit
so let me ask you this I mean you got
[1:48:59] buying from uh most of the fire
departments volunteer fire departments
[1:49:03] and all is that so so when this started
um we had four or five departments that
[1:49:08] was own it um already uh and we went to
a Chief's meeting had the discussion
[1:49:14] showed them what we were doing not
didn't didn't force anybody to do
[1:49:18] anything you know just look this is what
we're doing we see it as a huge huge
[1:49:23] benefit um and since then we
currently went from four to five to now
[1:49:28] we're at 12 or 13 departments that are
already making the move okay so um but
[1:49:36] so it we've seen a really huge benefit
but some departments are still currently
[1:49:40] tied down to um the the software that
they're own because they have a contract
[1:49:46] and some departments just can't you know
they can't pay for so but does most of
[1:49:48] them want to go to this product is that
it seems it's moving that way but again
[1:49:52] we're not we don't want to force anybody
to do anything they don't want to do so
[1:49:56] we went to the chief's meeting had the
conversation and everybody was you know
[1:50:01] on board seems seem to be but it's it's
a time thing you know but we we want to
[1:50:07] get get the process started and all it's
going to cost us is $9,200 so uh as far
[1:50:12] as I'm concerned if the rest of the
board is you're using it out of your PBB
[1:50:17] and so I'm okay with it with that yes
sir okay good enough good job y'all
[1:50:23] thank you thank you gentlemen Tuesday
night yeah thank you for giving me a
[1:50:26] heart
attack you're welcome okay Casey here's
[1:50:30] the here's the big one um 7e update on
HR onboarding and payroll system I want
[1:50:37] to thank the two chiefs they this this
started with uh the idea that we would
[1:50:42] buy we're getting a bulk discount we buy
it for everybody and then pay it back
[1:50:47] charge it back to them that was going to
be a nightmare now the company can still
[1:50:50] give us the bulk discount but send their
bills directly to them that makes sense
[1:50:53] so you're 9,000 just building that
database to get ready much more music to
[1:50:57] my ears than me getting involved yeah we
don't want to get into that some wanting
[1:51:02] it some not and some having preference
all right let me Tony I'm going to start
[1:51:07] this off no please put my mouth you can
jump
[1:51:16] in case if you don't mind I guess start
off and I know you probably like doing
[1:51:21] it a different way start off that you
got two different systems I guess right
[1:51:25] and the cost of each system yes sir and
and kind of tell us the cost of each
[1:51:29] system and then we'll go back to
the to the spreading through your paper
[1:51:34] here but I know you told me some cost
and flip it if you want the cost flip
[1:51:40] over to page two and let me just walk
you through all the there's a lot of
[1:51:43] numbers but I'm going get you oriented
to it really quick page two the one
[1:51:46] that's upside down one all these numbers
on it
[1:51:49] [Applause]
[1:51:53] tear them apart works
better uh total down here at the bottom
[1:51:58] is that where you're at 1.2 you've got
look up at the top first this is what we
[1:52:03] do currently so you're looking at one
two three four five six seven eight
[1:52:08] different nine different systems that we
use here and why we're here before you
[1:52:11] basically is because we got nine
different let me back up 10 years ago
[1:52:15] when I got here we did a lot of
onboarding p on paper and we Advanced
[1:52:19] several few years ago to um what was it
Civic plus was the name of it you know
[1:52:23] which was a which was a Quantum Leap as
far as you know you guys have heard the
[1:52:27] term Erp which is you put data in one
place and it goes filters to all the
[1:52:31] other system places you need that's the
way of the future so that's what's
[1:52:35] before you but let's I'm just want you
to see how big of a leap you've made in
[1:52:38] just 10 years I've only been here 10
years and we went some of these
[1:52:41] processes were on paper so you've got
these different systems up here that you
[1:52:44] spend as you can see with your eyes
let's just call it $75,000 75 $80,000 we
[1:52:50] did look at actually three systems the
there was a the cheapest one which
[1:52:54] you're going to see in a second the most
expensive one I'll explain why the cost
[1:52:57] can you go and give us the cost that's
what I want first okay well so the the
[1:53:01] most expensive one if you're spending
$70,000 a year the most expensive one's
[1:53:06] got the implementation cost a 5year
total you can see where they initially
[1:53:10] offered $3 million as of a second
negotiation with staff were down to 2.3
[1:53:15] see I don't see that that's what I want
to see on the second last flip over on
[1:53:20] the back side of page one it right
here
[1:53:25] 2.3 and then the other still don't see
it see on the third
[1:53:31] page mine don't show 2.3 I don't either
I don't see it it's top and bottom like
[1:53:38] this right here 2.3 so one of them is
2.3 right Casey I want you to see it so
[1:53:44] if you don't have I see it I see it
right here I see the
[1:53:47] 2.3 so how much is the other one the
other one's 1.2 and then we'll we'll get
[1:53:52] into the specifics
and all right so we're looking at about
[1:53:57] a million dollars more for one million
dollar difference and here's the spread
[1:54:00] of that million dollars it's in two
pieces we go you got one system the the
[1:54:05] the the system that probably HR would
like to have is obviously this most
[1:54:09] expensive with the work day and I'm
going I want you to see some reference
[1:54:11] list in just a second as well million
dollar difference about half of that is
[1:54:15] due to the this system going online in
10 months the other one would go online
[1:54:19] in 36 months so obviously if you're
going to get the benefit of using a
[1:54:22] system a over system B two years ahead
of time it's going to cost more correct
[1:54:27] cuz it's subscription based the other
five is this
[1:54:30] implementation and that's prob that's
going to be due to what I feel be um
[1:54:35] let's just call it handholding a little
bit more to get the system implemented
[1:54:39] you're going to have a little bit more
boots on the ground presence with
[1:54:41] workday than the other
system now that's not necessarily A Bad
[1:54:46] Thing I've put in systems where I was
essentially on my own in other words the
[1:54:49] vendor got with me and shared with me
some information and I was kind of in
[1:54:53] charge of implementing it I'm not sure
we want to implement 10 pieces to an HR
[1:54:58] System and a payroll piece mind you
without a little bit more help I did see
[1:55:02] in one of the reference uh dialogues
that the other company uh they actually
[1:55:06] wish they they kind of quoted we wish we
would have went back and kind of worked
[1:55:10] through a project manager to have
because we you know it was a little
[1:55:13] tougher to implement than we thought it
was going to be so that is the
[1:55:15] difference in the cost subscription wise
once you get past that implementation
[1:55:20] you can see with your eyes both systems
start off at about $300,000 a year
[1:55:24] that's the subscription piece you're
paying 70 so the Delta is about 200 let
[1:55:30] just say $25,000 it obviously grows
annually what you might the benefit of
[1:55:35] that is what we're trying to Fig I guess
the question on the floor is those Pro
[1:55:40] with those will we pick up that
difference in productivity not only with
[1:55:43] h our staff that they've estimated
around 1500 man hours a year that they
[1:55:47] spend keying same data in multiple
places but our in users and I'll give
[1:55:52] you an example Trish just run a job fair
two weeks ago where a person had to put
[1:55:57] their application information in they
wanted to apply for two different jobs
[1:56:00] they had to fill it out
twice that's a Time waster for that
[1:56:05] person and for us the system here goes
in one time that can apply use the same
[1:56:09] data for multiple jobs and then if we
want to onboard them we want to hire
[1:56:13] them we can extrapolate and use some of
that data for the onboarding process and
[1:56:16] stop having to key in again for a third
time so this is a timesaver and a
[1:56:21] benefit as far as the end user on the
other side of the portal looking at it
[1:56:25] and going wow you know I got this I got
to fill this out twice I mean some
[1:56:29] people kind of get turned off by those
things so I'd like to I'd like to just
[1:56:32] say one thing according to what you're
saying one one thing that is beneficial
[1:56:37] to HR and whichever system we decide to
pick is you look at the growth that our
[1:56:43] County departments has had and you look
at that growth even to the 90s until
[1:56:48] today and the HR department still
staffed the same way covering way more
[1:56:53] employees covering way more people
coming in with the same amount of people
[1:56:58] doing the job so they're doing 10 times
more than what they did in 1990 what
[1:57:03] they're doing in 2024 today so they need
a system that can help them and and it's
[1:57:09] still not going to be enough they
probably still need more Staffing an HR
[1:57:12] but um that that's one of the reasons
their workload has exponentious grown
[1:57:18] now if you can I just want to show you
this because I mean this I know it look
[1:57:22] pretty but this is hopefully on one
piece of paper you're probably thinking
[1:57:25] what in the world does HR
do what is it that they do you hear HR I
[1:57:30] mean you so look to the left here's all
the job functions that we're talking
[1:57:34] about in those I'm just going to round
up and say 10 different
[1:57:38] systems with the right hand side being
the same job functions but now combined
[1:57:43] into the two now with workday you know
you have the skill survey that uh I mean
[1:57:47] the skill safety thing where we do the
fire training and that kind of stuff
[1:57:50] that program maybe cuz it was a module
built into their system where we could
[1:57:54] you know we can put training stuff in
there but we got to build it we might as
[1:57:57] well just stay with the safety skills
and I cut that cost out of that's how
[1:58:00] you got down $700,000 I just went in and
started trimming stuff out that we
[1:58:03] probably don't need let me ask you a
question when's the last time we done
[1:58:07] some software update and I mean has this
stuff just been added periodically as we
[1:58:12] it has periodically over time yeah
periodically over time but the the Civic
[1:58:17] plus was probably the last one um and
that I can't remember when that was well
[1:58:21] we just we just went from Civic HR which
is Civic plus two criteria but when we
[1:58:26] put it in originally uh in
19 19 2019 Civic HR and Mr Elliot's got
[1:58:34] a point in the sense of um Mr chairman
we like AA you know when I got here that
[1:58:41] that stuff wasn't as wasn't as
monstrosity as it is now you know so
[1:58:44] staff over here spends a lot of time
going through doing the reporting and
[1:58:48] the things like that it takes to get all
the employees your information this
[1:58:51] stuff handles that it handles the
payroll taxes so Finance has to spend
[1:58:56] time this got a time keeping component
in for example we already got a Time
[1:58:59] system but this one here is bit I guess
because it's newer and you know got a
[1:59:02] newer technology but they won't be
counting hours down there manually every
[1:59:06] two weeks which they have to do now to
kind of make sure the time sheets are
[1:59:09] right then be able to file stuff
quarterly with the federal government on
[1:59:12] payroll taxes it all does it in one
system now the one thing that's that the
[1:59:17] work day also offers a couple benefits
to them I let me give you the pros and
[1:59:21] cons of what I saw I set through the
demo and then you can ask these folks um
[1:59:25] of both systems the work day I like the
reports the dashboard reports are
[1:59:30] excellent they have an ability for and
we always talk about this here in this
[1:59:33] room what's your turnover what's your
time to fill jobs around here sometimes
[1:59:38] these department heads don't know that
answer they have to come up to these
[1:59:41] folks and get them to compile reports
out of two or three places to know that
[1:59:45] by the time it's compiled it's old this
stuff's on the screen so and I can
[1:59:50] deonate that based on the security
information to anybody in the
[1:59:53] organization including
y'all so you could even see it if you
[1:59:57] want to by the part Casey's the best
manager in I'm just going to make up a
[2:00:01] department Trish uh in DSS at hiring
people he can do it in I'm just making
[2:00:07] up a number 30 days uh Tony's the worst
he can he can't do it but faster than 60
[2:00:12] days what is the problem with Tony why
can he not do this faster you can't ask
[2:00:17] those questions if you don't have the
data so there's more time to feel as
[2:00:22] money you know it's just more there's
part of that 200,000 we talked about
[2:00:25] Delta difference once we get going we're
starting to eat into that number now
[2:00:29] because we we got the ability then to
see who's the problem and how to speed
[2:00:33] things up or there there could be a
bottleneck in the process we don't know
[2:00:36] anything about I'll give you another one
Trish I'm not trying to pick on you but
[2:00:39] you know we're having a good time up
here um I've got a person downstairs
[2:00:43] that goes through every job application
based on our system now can ask you
[2:00:48] leading questions commissioner Elliot
applies for a job and it can say are you
[2:00:51] this this and this and it can basically
say you know you're not qualified for
[2:00:55] the job the problem with our existing
software is it won't automatically take
[2:00:58] you out of the stack you can answer the
questions but you still show up in the
[2:01:01] stack so I've got a person downstairs
have to go through that stack because
[2:01:05] they got State Standards to meet to hire
for the job that takes time for that
[2:01:09] person these systems will take you out
automatically so now Mr Elliott applies
[2:01:12] for the job he answers the questions he
doesn't meet the job out but you have to
[2:01:17] tailor make these right but we would do
that part of the implementation right
[2:01:21] get it right and then that way that
person downstairs is having to do that
[2:01:24] just freed up a part of their lives they
got to go through every time somebody
[2:01:28] applies for these jobs and it could be
stacked and you can make it just for
[2:01:31] that department is that what you're
saying by position you could Yeah by
[2:01:34] position position so we could say do you
have a bachelor's degree in social work
[2:01:38] yes no if they say no takes them to
another or do you have three years of
[2:01:43] experience in purchasing no they k k so
that's going to take a little bit of
[2:01:48] time to implement that for all the
different jobs
[2:01:53] pH cost that's one of the reasons the
$500,000 right that's one of the reason
[2:01:57] why I'd like a little help because it's
going to get complex or we can make it
[2:02:01] complex that makes sense we can
implement it with the basics and but I
[2:02:04] know us we're going to before you put in
the better results you get out we bought
[2:02:08] systems before and didn't do the proper
stuff in the front end right and it's
[2:02:13] kicked us in a tail in the back end man
I just text Tim this morning you guys
[2:02:17] have heard me say this and you're
probably thinking when I said it what
[2:02:19] are you talking about in 25 years in
govern I have never worked in a place
[2:02:23] where we had HR reports by position
match the position count of the budget I
[2:02:28] have not worked somewhere until now
thanks to the staff over here and Tim it
[2:02:33] matches now that what you know what that
means good clean data will go into this
[2:02:38] new system not
junk so you'll have good clean stuff
[2:02:43] that's good for reporting you get good
dashboards you people to be able can see
[2:02:46] what they're doing the other system has
dashboards too I just like the work they
[2:02:49] ones cuz they were they were nice they
were actually I'm just make the word
[2:02:52] they were beautiful they looked user
friendly they show up they they look
[2:02:56] like I I need visuals I want to see a
graph I want to see some numbers um so I
[2:03:00] like that we found out yesterday and I'm
kind of throwing this in as I go Tony
[2:03:04] they'll do the oan logs so all the
paperwork that goes to the ocean logs
[2:03:09] get put in the system it will generate
the report we send to the federal
[2:03:11] government so we got do that manually
now we create the accident reports and
[2:03:16] things like that right now all that's
done manually and by paper and then my
[2:03:20] staff has to take that put it onto the
ocean log then submit it to the federal
[2:03:24] government the system workday
will you you'll fill those accident
[2:03:30] reports or incident reports out on in
the system the system then digests the
[2:03:36] information moves it over done to the
oosha log and then it prints out put it
[2:03:40] on the portal or you still got to send
it to we submit it to the federal
[2:03:43] government you finance is going to get a
little bit of a benefit from these
[2:03:47] payroll taxes and these hours so even
they've started to bleed into this 1500
[2:03:51] hours that I didn't calculate them
getting some help out of this just
[2:03:54] beneficially one more quick so one quick
thing about neoo that's a benefit they
[2:03:58] have a thing built into their software
and we can buy this separately cuz we
[2:04:02] have done it an one time uh thing called
government jobs.com it's kind of like
[2:04:06] their version of um what's the indeed or
um zip recruiter or whatever so it just
[2:04:12] does government jobs that comes standard
with the package if we want that I think
[2:04:16] it's about three grand we'll figure out
a way to make that happen and we we
[2:04:19] could incorporate that I wasn't scared
of that cuz it's not that it's not a
[2:04:22] deal breaker if that makes sense last
thing I want you to see flip over to
[2:04:26] this the back page just flip it all the
way to the end but Casey if we can get
[2:04:30] to the numbers right quick and then then
we'll get back to that if you don't mind
[2:04:33] so I just got to understand in my head
as I'm listening to all this so the 420
[2:04:37] now is what we pay a year right that's
everything added up kind of what we pay
[2:04:42] a year now no we're paying about 75 80
grand a year for all of our systems
[2:04:47] added
together I got you a total of uh right
[2:04:52] at the top until
2029 right Tim's Tim's extrapolated that
[2:04:57] out and used an inflator because these
things move another benefit of the work
[2:05:01] day is they've agreed to lock these
these inflators in for 10 years all we
[2:05:07] don't have to do a 10year deal but that
was another benefit for them as part of
[2:05:10] negotiating with them in other words
they've got a process in their contract
[2:05:13] where they have a percent like a think
2% move every year and then they add CPI
[2:05:18] to that you could be talking about 8 n%
if we can do if we want to do a 10-year
[2:05:23] deal that's up to us we can erase the
CPI piece there are no other upgrades
[2:05:29] built into these dollars in other words
we won't get the year five and they go
[2:05:32] oops you got to spend another 300 Grand
you got to go to version blah blah blah
[2:05:35] it comes in the
numbers so if you go down to work day Mr
[2:05:39] chairman you can see I I've just showed
you the initial offer because I wanted
[2:05:43] you to see where they started with their
best and final proposal $3 million you
[2:05:48] can see the the row there to put it in
the implementation cost 10 months staff
[2:05:53] training and that learning module I
spoke of where you have content on there
[2:05:56] for like safety skills and things like
that but you got to add the content I
[2:06:01] don't necessarily want to spend 40 grand
for a shell thing that I got to add
[2:06:04] content right now so you can see in my
version of second negotiation I cut that
[2:06:09] out so the biggest deal what I see right
here you going to spend a million
[2:06:12] dollars up front 1.1 million where in
the other one you're only spending
[2:06:17] 27,000 in
2025 me I usually look at money first
[2:06:22] and then we get down to specifics of
basically right cuz I'm not going to get
[2:06:26] nothing implemented on on the second one
for 36 months so it's really if you can
[2:06:31] see with your eyes actually the Neo gets
to be more expensive as time goes on
[2:06:35] subscription wise see with your eyes
it's 330,000 estimate in 2029 me uh work
[2:06:41] day in 2029
324 so so once we get past implementing
[2:06:45] and and so your first reaction you see
the cost is 3 million versus one two wow
[2:06:49] just go with one two but it's because
you're putting the one system in in less
[2:06:52] than a year and the other one in three
years you know I'm looking at the
[2:06:56] ongoing cost each year you know I always
like to buy the best if I can or what's
[2:07:01] going to work the best um but again it
comes down to cost too so if you look on
[2:07:07] the back so really you're looking at a
million dollars up front once you get
[2:07:10] past that then cost is as good or better
with the option that that HR would like
[2:07:18] to have in you correct say that one more
time it get gets cheaper after the
[2:07:23] initial cost it gets cheaper for the one
staff would like to have correct
[2:07:29] two yeah 324 to 369 in
2029 if you look on the back you see
[2:07:36] who's using yeah I don't really care
who's using and all that that's that's
[2:07:41] not really my thing it's it's it's the
staff if if it's the best we bought some
[2:07:46] other software that other counties used
that it's worked terrible for us you
[2:07:50] know so yeah
um so again but option number two is
[2:07:55] what everybody wants correct so option
one workday is the one everybody
[2:08:01] was yeah I guess that's
okay y my ask
[2:08:09] question Tony have you uh have you
brought the department heads in I know
[2:08:15] we've done a demo but have to to look at
this to see if it's actually you know
[2:08:20] cuz if they also start looking at it and
I know they probably have a small piece
[2:08:24] of this but yeah even when they do if
they start looking at things and it's
[2:08:29] hard for them or they don't understand
it we didn't bring all the department
[2:08:33] heads in we brought in it and finance
cuz those are the ones that are directly
[2:08:37] impact they don't really work with the
software yeah a lot of this will be back
[2:08:40] in that's going to benefit their lives
and finance the enduser like an
[2:08:45] applicant I mean these things are slick
built for people that you know like you
[2:08:49] roll up online and like our system is
now you know it looks okay it's the
[2:08:53] backend piece that's that's kind of not
as clunky that makes sense and other
[2:08:58] departments like sheriff's office or EMS
they don't deal with the backend this
[2:09:02] yeah and they'll have access as they do
now to Criterion to help us make sure we
[2:09:08] know what jobs they want posted in the
application process and things like that
[2:09:13] that'll all be infinitely better than so
we're still going to have multiple
[2:09:18] programs no no just one system but the
cool thing really about workday is
[2:09:24] everybody will have a dashboard right so
you'll log in and based on
[2:09:31] security criteria you'll have your
dashboard and it'll have all of the
[2:09:36] stuff that you have access to so if you
are a hiring manager you'll have access
[2:09:41] to the jobs that report to you you can
go in you can start looking at how when
[2:09:47] an applicant applied when they
interviewed when the job was offered how
[2:09:51] long it took for them to go through that
process um all of that is Extreme is
[2:09:57] very well not used too overly words but
descriptive but it is very intuitive
[2:10:03] very easy to use um there will be some
training that we will need to do uh with
[2:10:09] managers and supervisors as well as
employees part of that training will be
[2:10:13] people putting in things like not
bringing their changes to that they need
[2:10:17] for HR to these folks to put in manually
they'll be able to put them in their s
[2:10:21] changes and things like that you they
got to come up here tell them they go
[2:10:25] put them in that stops they just go in
and do it so that part's going to be
[2:10:28] trainable yeah all employees will be
able to go into their dashboard see what
[2:10:33] they can access and do and so if they
want to change an exemption for taxes or
[2:10:38] emergency contact or address all that is
done right there on their dashboard um
[2:10:43] and there's a mobile app as well so they
can do it uh on their phone or or iPad
[2:10:49] and then it is based on the process that
we create in the implementation stage it
[2:10:55] goes through an approval process um
ultimately coming through to one of my
[2:10:59] staff members for approval address
change so Can employees get to their W2s
[2:11:05] and they can get to yes U their pay
stubs and all that stuff CU I used to
[2:11:11] hate it when I'd go to buy a car or
something they need you know three
[2:11:15] months of pay stubs you had to go beg
for three months pay stubs from payroll
[2:11:19] yeah so you pull all that up on your
it'll all be right there for them and
[2:11:22] they can get it when they need it past
subbs
[2:11:25] W2s um any other information that we
have or they need to have available to
[2:11:30] them and this is a One-Stop shop program
yes everything's there so we can do away
[2:11:34] with all these other things that we're
doing yes yes cuz I see emails all the
[2:11:38] time as 400's down nav Lin's down this
is down that's down yeah well there's a
[2:11:43] couple department heads in here if you
want to ask them about criteria and the
[2:11:46] problems they have with I know when I
worked in Thomas we got emails daily
[2:11:50] about as4 400 was down I need to ask
another question to Casey hang on one
[2:11:55] second now you said option one do we
want option one or option two option one
[2:11:59] the work day that's option two this says
Neil GES option one and workday sorry
[2:12:05] sorry say y'all got me really confused
here so which one so we need to get to
[2:12:10] the basics of what we want first and
then that's what I option two on Neo did
[2:12:17] y'all did y'all talk about the training
aspect of that cuz I you was talking
[2:12:21] about a blank shell with work day but
neoo has 6,000 different professional
[2:12:27] programs and everything different
op they do that's the one we could we
[2:12:32] could probably keep the safety skills
with if we went with them cuz he's got
[2:12:35] 1,700 training modules in there that's
crazy but with the other one I'm not
[2:12:41] going to pay for the hold of it right
now we we'll do we got the it doesn't
[2:12:45] cost that much to keep that content so
we don't want the GU jobs part if we
[2:12:50] needed that subscription
if we thought workday is a better system
[2:12:53] for three grand I'd rather have the
system that everybody's I can go get it
[2:12:56] it's not I don't have to go through neoo
to get their product cuz that's kind of
[2:13:00] sold separately as a license we bought
it before we a couple years ago I
[2:13:04] purchased it uh um government jobs.com
which is a proprietary product of neoo
[2:13:11] but they sell it separately and and I we
purchased that's about 30 about $33,500
[2:13:17] I think if I remember correctly been a
couple years ago so Chris you said look
[2:13:21] at this and look who's using it if you
do that and compare them I mean how do
[2:13:24] you know who's good and who's not using
it I mean all the counties are using the
[2:13:28] one we don't want and all these folks
are using the ones we if you look at the
[2:13:33] government city of Charlotte High Point
and who else is using for the government
[2:13:38] agencies on work dayses youve got three
yeah but I'm saying foresight Guilford
[2:13:42] Rockingham Alamance ell cabar they're
all using ne ne I you know are you going
[2:13:46] to say they're done the wrong thing I
mean I I don't know use neoo every day
[2:13:52] of my life and uh I'm not sure I've
never seen work days so I can't speak on
[2:13:58] or
against I did but I know Neo does
[2:14:02] everything that y'all yeah I did talk to
uh foresight Guilford and
[2:14:08] Rockingham they all only use the um ATS
the applicant tracking system um which
[2:14:16] is governmentjobs.com and Rockingham
does use the performance piece those are
[2:14:22] the only two pieces out of the entire
package that they use really yeah and so
[2:14:28] my guess is if I were to call the rest
of the counties that probably would be a
[2:14:33] similar story um that they don't use all
of the all the components of neoa on the
[2:14:41] flip side I did talk to the city of
Charlotte they uh started the
[2:14:47] implementation or they started the
purchasing process in 20 they
[2:14:51] implemented the uh human the HR
component uh a year ago they love it the
[2:14:58] reason they selected it is because it
was really a true enterprise system
[2:15:03] versus the other systems they looked at
um and meaning that they they can they
[2:15:11] are also then in the process of
implementing the financial piece that
[2:15:16] has the financials on it and inventory
controls um and they
[2:15:21] that well that's that's another benefit
of the workday negotiations that's the
[2:15:25] kind of reason why I got involved with
them they offer a grants management um
[2:15:28] and expense management which I assume is
some kind of budget module you know we
[2:15:32] don't have a budget system you're
staring at him so um we got the uh uh
[2:15:37] the finance piece The Ledger and so the
newo go doesn't offer that so they're
[2:15:42] not the true Erp if that makes sense um
work day will hold if we we don't have
[2:15:47] to buy right now this is not added in
the finance p piece but you know for I
[2:15:52] think it's like 80 grand more a year for
the finance piece there's a variety of
[2:15:56] other modules they will lock that price
in for those if we want them in the next
[2:16:00] um I think it was 18 months or so work
day will do that yeah workday will hold
[2:16:03] them modules for us as part of the
contract negotiation so if we come back
[2:16:07] and say we want to roll with some of
these other modules we don't even have
[2:16:10] to buy them all we just get the discount
we can pick and choose from the menu and
[2:16:13] say we want this one we don't want this
one so they do have that ability to take
[2:16:17] it all the way to Max I don't know that
I'm still kind of working through my
[2:16:20] head on on The Ledger side what would be
the benefit I see the benefit on the HR
[2:16:24] piece and obviously like I've told you
guys the payroll system we got now even
[2:16:27] though it's as400 that's what a lot of
people use I me it's 30 years old so
[2:16:32] that's what started a lot of this for me
was like well we got probably got to
[2:16:35] move off that platform at some point in
time but then as more I talk to these
[2:16:39] folks the more I realize man they are
stewing over there wasting a lot of time
[2:16:43] keying I get all that I'm place over I'm
trying to get to the money work day
[2:16:48] looks to me like I mean I know some of
these folks that that owns workday and
[2:16:53] they do their research when it comes to
to uh buying software you know so again
[2:17:00] I don't know how the rested board feels
but some of it's local too right some
[2:17:03] local like I say I know I know I know
there one and I know folks that work for
[2:17:07] this other but I know this guy uh pretty
well and U so may I ask a couple
[2:17:12] questions
so how how much money have we spent on
[2:17:18] anything new in the last I mean y'all
working with someone that is literally
[2:17:23] 30 years old and you've had no
improvements in those in that time
[2:17:28] periodic HR was the was the most recent
okay new product uh time in attendance
[2:17:35] executive time was 7 208 or 17 time it's
been that long ago and and the problem
[2:17:41] is they don't all talk to each other
they're all separate systems right so I
[2:17:46] understand that so um all right at at so
20 2030 is 2030 going to be just another
[2:17:54] like 300 and some thousand it will if
you go with either one it'll continue on
[2:18:00] the problem is I do kind of like that
you know we don't normally lock into
[2:18:03] 10year deals around here right but I do
like the fact that they work they was
[2:18:08] willing to tell me up front negotiate
with me that if you want to do 10 I can
[2:18:12] kill off that CPI piece CU if not that's
probably coming unless I work really
[2:18:17] hard to negotiate that I didn't spread
this out five more years four years to
[2:18:20] see so you don't have that cost in but
yes it's going to it's it going to be
[2:18:24] the 300,000 no matter what but you got
to remember in their contract they're
[2:18:27] going to put inflators in there okay
they're not going to give you zero right
[2:18:31] so but they have an 2% you know increase
and then have in their standard
[2:18:36] contracts a thing that says they'll put
CPI on top of that they're willing to
[2:18:40] kill the CPI piece if we want the 10year
deal okay you know I'm going to
[2:18:45] recommend we spend the more money okay
because I just think the probably the
[2:18:49] value is there and that's why been
struggling with this trying to trying to
[2:18:53] figure out what we need to do or
whatever but sometimes it's hard to say
[2:18:57] it cost it's a million dollars again
where's the money coming from we Tim
[2:19:02] reminded me go back to outon just few
minutes ago well we're going to go we
[2:19:06] either going to go to capital reserve
for out and and remember you always got
[2:19:08] more additional sales tax and property
tax that we've been storing up for
[2:19:11] Capital anyway we'll just take the menli
off of that and siphon it off and use it
[2:19:15] for this cuz this is one time okay once
we budget and get it in we're into the
[2:19:19] 300 Grand a year deal
so we got that's where you're at anyhow
[2:19:23] yeah well we're 75 grand we're putting
200 in once we get to that place and and
[2:19:28] I don't want you to feel like man a
million dollars why can't we go remember
[2:19:31] you get another one in 10 months get
another one the one that's cheaper you
[2:19:34] would be three years so what's what's
the price adding gov jobs if we're going
[2:19:38] to do it let's do it right it's only
about three grand let us let us we can
[2:19:42] go straight to them once because you're
talking commission you're talking to uh
[2:19:46] the back end of the 10 months before we
let us get to that place and for Grand
[2:19:50] we find out we want it we can get it we
can work it in the budget and we'll find
[2:19:53] out how to buy it one last question for
me a GU job is on the ne ofg and we not
[2:19:57] getting that we getting work day will it
transition into this yeah but that we
[2:20:01] can purchase the go job full work day
okay sry you good go ahead the
[2:20:07] information that we have now it will
transition into this flawlessly in the
[2:20:11] workday correct okay yep so you're not
lose any data we will not lose any
[2:20:15] data flawlessly that's a big word there
might be some
[2:20:21] I think little pain see always is always
false don't get any it be a little more
[2:20:27] painful than that open go has whooped my
tail so I'm going to ask all kinds of
[2:20:32] questions when it comes to we should
not how's that we should not lose any
[2:20:39] data all right we good with that how do
you want to handle that case on the cons
[2:20:44] can can I get permission to negotiate
with uh work day a little bit more and
[2:20:48] make sure I got the details of the
10year what what's in what's out um you
[2:20:52] want a motion giving you if I can just
get that I can just get consensus to
[2:20:56] negotiate I'll bring a contract forward
it may not be Tuesday night but maybe
[2:20:59] the next meeting if you going to do that
then just put it on the next Thursday
[2:21:03] meeting we got animal well we got the
one where it's um the seating it'll be
[2:21:08] it's not it's like the meeting our next
informational meeting is in January
[2:21:11] you're right you're right okay yeah
that's fine just I might can make it get
[2:21:15] and share it with the board for us to
look over and make sure and I'll just
[2:21:18] pass on something that workday said to
me about Casey and he said he's like a
[2:21:23] pit bull when it comes to negotiation I
paid him 10 bucks to do that yes indeed
[2:21:28] he knows he's going to catch it from up
here if he's I think about this
[2:21:33] yesterday and my phrase was I will not
go in there in front of them and this
[2:21:36] not be correct so you somebody better do
something I know better I don't here I
[2:21:41] found out a long time ago the cheapest
ain't always the best okay since we're
[2:21:45] spending money I would just say don't
don't totally give up on the training
[2:21:50] aspect if we're going to invest in this
in 10 years let's let's get him the
[2:21:54] pieces we have even if he has to build
off of it let's let's get him what they
[2:21:58] need um well they got that they got that
safety skills module yeah I just wish
[2:22:03] that I didn't have to pay for that in
the work day to build I didn't want to
[2:22:06] build my own content that makes sense I
don't I got it that's the only thing I
[2:22:10] didn't like but I'm in work day yeah
work day I think you'd want to build
[2:22:14] your own content cuz they need tailor it
to your to your they don't know what we
[2:22:18] we do I ain't sure let me work with them
on that and see if I don't want to spend
[2:22:21] 40 grand for it just to sit there I just
rather have but I'm seeing head shaking
[2:22:25] so they they want it yeah so yeah let's
give them well that's what I'm saying
[2:22:30] let me negotiate with them and figure
out I don't want to pay 40 G's and it
[2:22:33] sit there and I don't get no content if
we ain't going to use anything we going
[2:22:35] to use it I I cut that out right we
still have to use safety skills right
[2:22:39] but if I can figure out a way and it's
seamless and easy if it can Implement
[2:22:43] what we have in that got remember I'm
paying 13 now and they're going to
[2:22:46] charge me
40 for say so you see what I'm saying
[2:22:49] I'm spending them negotiation skills
well I got it I so so is work day work
[2:22:54] day come in different modules or is it
all pretty much no it's all in it's all
[2:22:58] inclusive yeah which really kind of they
got they have some things internally
[2:23:02] within the system called work processes
or what business processes or something
[2:23:07] that really write and we can write the
script for the see and that's one thing
[2:23:11] I don't like about modules you got to
buy this module you got to buy that one
[2:23:14] if you don't have it you know I mean I
like somebody that gives me all
[2:23:19] everything they got and say technology
seem to be just a step above I'm telling
[2:23:25] you with the folks on the back there the
they U that uses their product they got
[2:23:29] to be stated the order those people's
going to drop them and move on to
[2:23:32] somebody else well here's the deal
they've got a uh cutting technology
[2:23:36] helps take a lot off of y'all which I've
been studying since I've been up here so
[2:23:40] it's kind of won me over so yeah you two
on the DSs board are y'all yall going to
[2:23:46] like those dashboards with the time to
fi reports and turnarounds not just for
[2:23:49] the SS but for any Department I mean
they're they're slick and they're very
[2:23:53] important get it right with your eyes
and see it so if we do this when's it
[2:23:56] going to take place we're going to start
in January star in January we get this
[2:24:00] thing in by the end of the year that's
been our timeline as to start in January
[2:24:04] by the end of 2025 roughly yeah cuz it
10 months you start in January the end
[2:24:08] of end of 25 this time next year
basically fingers crossed y basically
[2:24:13] we're just paying extra money to get it
in now instead of w three get it in
[2:24:17] Faster you're going to use it faster
than the other system so when you say
[2:24:20] the $500,000 for implementation is that
people here or is that just online help
[2:24:27] I don't it's actually them doing some of
the implementation work we will meet
[2:24:31] with them talk to them what we want they
will go back and create the processes
[2:24:35] that we want so these applications is
talking about they will do that yeah
[2:24:39] then then some of we're going to try to
do some of it um as well remotely in the
[2:24:44] sense of video conferences and things
like that and um we we tried as part of
[2:24:49] what in Casey's negotiation with them to
try to limit the
[2:24:55] onsite um work and travel once I talked
to him I didn't feel like I needed that
[2:24:59] as much they they're pretty slick about
they put in a lot of systems online like
[2:25:03] that I just need somebody I I want that
expertise of I got a problem here help
[2:25:07] me build that's how most of it's done
now by the good companies they they do
[2:25:10] it and the other plus to workday is one
of the people that we worked with as we
[2:25:15] talked through this lives in Davidson
County doesn't live very far away from
[2:25:19] here
so good so you can go put him in the car
[2:25:22] if you have to he's offered he's offered
to help so yep okay sounds good thank
[2:25:27] you Tony thank you all right y'all have
a great day okay thank you for coming
[2:25:32] yep hopefully this will make y'all's
life
[2:25:37] better um permission uh side besides two
side besides the sheriff's department
[2:25:44] uh whoever we finish this by
12:00 now we got to to a meeting he was
[2:25:50] here but you had to go to a meeting with
the DA's office so you got my pretty
[2:25:53] face all right what uh I guess the
question is what are yall use these for
[2:25:59] what are you replacing some well we've
got the best I cuz I was not here when
[2:26:04] any of the current ones is bought but
the best I've found
[2:26:09] out um we've got one that's a
four-seater it's the only one it's a
[2:26:14] 2,000 I'm don't hold me to the exact
year but best I've broke down is about a
[2:26:19] 2,000 your model it's piece of junk I'm
sorry it is we had it fixed cuz we
[2:26:25] needed it for the barbecue festival so
we did we got it fixed took it got it
[2:26:31] back took it to the barbecue
festival wouldn't crank so it's still on
[2:26:37] the trailer I've got to get it back to
sinks uh it's it's in the shop seems
[2:26:41] like more than it's sitting at our place
what is it a kwasaki too it is a kwasaki
[2:26:47] mule it's an old mule that is really in
18 years as said things that
[2:26:55] evoled cross the curb but if you needed
to go across a ditch you're not taking
[2:27:00] any of ours they're not made for that
they're made for nice field work or
[2:27:06] something like that they're not made for
search and rescue they're not made for
[2:27:10] going Offroad looking for a missing
person they're not made you know for a
[2:27:15] wanted person that we've had to try to
use them but we didn't we had three one
[2:27:20] broke down the other one's a ' 07 model
it's a two-seater it's not made to go
[2:27:26] off-road it's made for field work flat
ground uh the John Deere I'm not sure
[2:27:33] the model on it I'm assuming and some of
y'all were here you may bought it when
[2:27:38] the range was built it stays at the
range um it has our blue lights that we
[2:27:44] have to have mandated I know
commissioner Shores understands that we
[2:27:49] have to have blue headlights when we do
our qualification so it stays at the
[2:27:54] range so that puts us down to the one
that we have right now um it's more of
[2:28:01] we need to upgrade get something that
can get around a little bit better and
[2:28:07] is more reliable cuz every one of them
is at least 18 years old they've been
[2:28:11] here since darald hagy day yes yeah it's
here before my time yeah um what uh you
[2:28:17] going to keep the one down at the range
then keep the one at the
[2:28:21] range um and we'll probably keep the
kabot it's great for around the office
[2:28:26] when we we're using stuff around the H
office hauling things from the storage
[2:28:30] building from the evidence building back
up the kwasaki mill it needs to go so
[2:28:37] Dwayne can put it on go deals see what
we can get out of it and you know if we
[2:28:42] have to we can get rid of the you know
Kabota I don't have a problem with
[2:28:46] that it's just so you're asking for one
or two
[2:28:50] too so we can we can turn into cabota
too that's
[2:28:54] fine we just got to have something that
is reliable that when we need it we can
[2:28:59] grab it and go um cuz the Farm Park we
have to use one at the Farm park at
[2:29:05] least three times a year when we're
working that the barbecue festival um
[2:29:11] there's another one I put it in whenever
I sent the email and I don't even
[2:29:15] remember it now I can't remember are
they six seaters or for well they six
[2:29:22] take five or six okay the front is
usually a two and then the back you can
[2:29:26] put three three okay and it it does have
a um tailgate the ones that we looked at
[2:29:33] if you needed to for whatever reason put
a stretcher in the back of it you fold
[2:29:38] the back down and you can throw a full
stretcher in the
[2:29:40] back cuz it would it has the convertible
where you can turn the back seat into
[2:29:46] part of the bed okay I'd suggest if
we're going to buy two new ones just go
[2:29:50] and sell the two old ones the Kabota and
the other one and okay good with that
[2:29:54] use the newer ones you know um I agree
so uh is this something y'all be willing
[2:30:00] to spend your drug forfeiture money or
what I think we just spend it on the
[2:30:06] cameras you got you got
more9
[2:30:10] some, uh the sheriff is not here I'd
rather for the sheriff to make that
[2:30:15] determination that was not we were
looking at trying to use lap SAR
[2:30:21] hard hard to use lap salary for that any
that can be used I know um lap salary
[2:30:26] can be used yes I know it can be asked
this morning did you at some point the
[2:30:33] federal government's going to be
dropping quite a bit of money back for
[2:30:36] the hurricane duties that we've had to
to work now that could be six months
[2:30:43] that could be a year we know how they
work but uh it seems here lately they're
[2:30:49] they're a little bit quicker getting
paperwork push I sure hate to you start
[2:30:52] getting into using lap salaries to buy
equipment Casey I don't I mean this team
[2:30:56] we got 280 and drug for for your money
so you got enough to do it major Craven
[2:31:01] I don't know you need to talk to sheriff
about that though and see if he's
[2:31:04] willing to take 40 out of that 280 to do
this I think so
[2:31:09] uh rather than do the lap hours for this
I don't mind doing it but I would I'd
[2:31:14] like to see it come out of the drug
forer cuz it it's going to open up a
[2:31:19] pandor box if we start letting people
buy equipment with lap salaries so we've
[2:31:24] done it before we we have I mean I don't
see why this is any
[2:31:29] different well I mean I'm just not crazy
about using lap salaries I tell you that
[2:31:33] that's going down a bad road I don't
care if it's been done we done it as
[2:31:36] this board
before uh I don't know but any let me go
[2:31:40] back to this I'd be good with us buying
one and y'all buying one if you want to
[2:31:44] okay you know I will goe for that and we
take 40,000 I well be 40 be 20 yeah um I
[2:31:54] I'll go ahead and let the sheriff know
and then let us know can I'm sure that's
[2:31:57] going to be good but I will I'll send
I'll let Casey know by the end of the so
[2:32:02] that's us doing our part for for one and
then y'all doing
[2:32:06] Y what look well I was I was going to
tell him that I talked to CJ uh and
[2:32:12] again I'd like for y'all to do business
here in this County you know that's one
[2:32:15] reason we went to CJ but also we needed
to get two more so I went to some of the
[2:32:21] other ones I know one supplied them to
the highway patrol so I went to them cuz
[2:32:25] that was a pretty good deal and then I
went to another dealer that was Lo well
[2:32:29] not local but in the other County um
because I got with him this morning just
[2:32:34] to see I mean you know these folks they
employee people here and they pay taxes
[2:32:39] here and kind of a slap in the face when
you go somewhere else and buy
[2:32:43] some if the prices are are somewhat
comparable you know and he priced two of
[2:32:48] them out uh said he had both of them in
stock for $1
[2:32:54] 19595 plus tax and that's with a
windshield and a canopy and a wench well
[2:33:00] actually it's um with a wiench it's a
Kawasaki Mule Pro fx1000 Le whatever
[2:33:07] that not the ranch law enforcement uh
yeah yeah Ranch Edition okay right Ranch
[2:33:13] Edition with canaby and windshield okay
and by looking at your prices and of
[2:33:17] course I didn't tell him what your
prices were but looking at prices from
[2:33:21] down there and this looks comparable you
know and it it is from what I remember
[2:33:26] yeah and I don't I don't with the winch
I don't see a winch on that uh yeah one
[2:33:30] of them had winches on there they all
should have had been with the winch
[2:33:35] because that model comes with the winch
the ranch Edition comes with the winch
[2:33:40] yeah yeah I looked at that ranch Edition
several years back and I bought a Canam
[2:33:44] instead of the ranch but uh that's a
nice machine I like staying here because
[2:33:49] we can take it right down the road get
it service get it worked on any
[2:33:51] maintenance right so I have this quote
here if you'll share your sale number
[2:33:55] with me or something I'll forward it on
to you I don't know all right I'll get
[2:33:59] it to Tim or whoever needs it Tim okay
I'll get it to you they all have okay um
[2:34:06] and that way but this is a windshield
and um whatever so yeah if you think
[2:34:11] y'all good and yall good with us buying
one I'm I'm good with it and I I'm I'll
[2:34:16] touch base with the sheriff and confirm
with him but I think that's a tradeoff
[2:34:20] you can't pass up all right man all
right and those two like I said let's
[2:34:25] get those to go deal uh you might you
may want to keep it's not bad if you if
[2:34:29] there's another agency in the county
that wants to use one the cabota yes but
[2:34:33] I wouldn't take it Offroad it's great
for field maintenance I'd say parts
[2:34:38] and parts and W there you go you want to
you want to look at it Thomas and see if
[2:34:44] not let's get them on gov deals okay
well i' like look at I know been talking
[2:34:48] to me about
some I got
[2:34:52] one
don't either he uses he gets the good
[2:34:58] out of them let's look and see if
another department needs it before we
[2:35:01] put it on you know that cabota if you
can move it to another department yeah
[2:35:07] right Vine for right but if CJ uh sink
you said yall had it at sink to get it
[2:35:13] repaired and now it's not working again
that's the mule right I would go ahead
[2:35:17] and get that back to him and see if they
can get it fixed so we can get
[2:35:20] we don't want to sell something over
here at deals it won't crank and so
[2:35:23] that's the plan is get it back to him
sometime this week just time cuz they
[2:35:26] done fix it one time right it didn't
work so and I'll I'll try to let him
[2:35:31] know that so okay all right thank you
you all good with this going on consent
[2:35:34] for yeah and make sure he gets back with
Cas or Tim or whoever he needs to with
[2:35:40] the yes sir make sure the sheriff's good
thank you thank
[2:35:44] you all right mental health uh funding
uh case is not here here but I guess uh
[2:35:51] uh no no no I'm sorry already did that
one Mr chairman the next one yeah we did
[2:35:57] okay yeah go ahead with that one then
tax amendment for the zoning ordinance
[2:36:01] Mr cook thank you Mr chairman I got all
kind of marks down here good morning
[2:36:06] Madam uh commissioner fellow
Commissioners um last month at the the
[2:36:11] uh the informational meeting we were
talking about a text Amendment for an
[2:36:15] event center adding an event center to
the zoning ordinance um we had IAL use
[2:36:20] permits and and and development
standards and use by rights and all kind
[2:36:24] of different uh approval methods the
consensus I took away from the board at
[2:36:28] that meeting was that you guys wanted
something that's a little bit more uh
[2:36:33] property specific to be able to cater to
the each individual property a little
[2:36:37] bit more specifically so I we Ste back
from what we were looking at a little
[2:36:42] bit and talked with um Andrew how with
um M Mr Jones's office and what we're
[2:36:49] propos proposing and what we forwarded
to you is a new procedure a new approval
[2:36:54] procedure called
CZ which would ask the applicant to
[2:36:59] basically request a conditional zoning
uh rezoning application if they wanted
[2:37:05] to uh conduct this type of activity on
their property and and if you'll the
[2:37:11] information that we sent to
you we
[2:37:15] proposed having a CZ RC CZ CSC Z HC and
Allowed by right in Li and hi so if you
[2:37:24] had a li or hi property you could have
an event center in an old industrial
[2:37:27] building or something like that but if
you were going to try to do this on any
[2:37:33] other property what the staff would
probably recommend is you guys need to
[2:37:38] apply for a czrc out in a residential
area the RC District does not play by
[2:37:44] the same rules specifically as your Cs
and your HC you don't have to stick to
[2:37:49] the Land Development plan is closely you
don't have to be at intersections those
[2:37:52] are have a lot more obtrusive uses so if
if someone wanted to conduct an event
[2:37:57] center on a piece of property this kind
of rule we'd ask them to apply for a
[2:38:01] czrc then that would give us the tools
not dissimilar to the the recent
[2:38:06] Davidson Craven application that we kind
of modified uh and and got very specific
[2:38:12] with the parcel this would give the
commission and staff and the plan board
[2:38:16] tools to look at the individual property
you know see the size set decel levels
[2:38:22] set screening requirements Set uh you
know setbacks if if the board wanted to
[2:38:28] do that it would in staff's opinion
offer a lot of flexibility for each
[2:38:32] individual
[2:38:36] parcel be happy to entertain any
questions any questions yeah motion go
[2:38:44] ahead commissioner McClure no I don't
have Oh I thought you said you did
[2:38:51] all right so what do we need to do well
I I think we can maybe continue it and
[2:38:56] set it for a um you know the next
available Commissioners meeting to you
[2:39:02] know vote on the uh Amendment maybe put
it on for the 25th to give us a do you
[2:39:06] have what is your thoughts on on U if
You' got a speaker who wants to allocate
[2:39:12] his time to another speaker I see that
in here but he can have no more than 6
[2:39:17] minutes so what
is that NE is that something that that
[2:39:22] you've seen in other meetings as
necessary that's not
[2:39:26] that's I'm old school and I I I'm
believe believe we in the process if
[2:39:32] we're off topic zoning ordinance request
what I me yeah they had Event Center we
[2:39:36] on event we're we're on Event
[2:39:41] Center on a public
[2:39:45] hearing change I you're here I did have
some interest in that top no that's fine
[2:39:50] I did have some interest in that topic
yeah throw that away from no that's okay
[2:39:54] that's okay hey you fixing the answer
that's pretty good I was going to try to
[2:39:58] come up with an answer they all talking
the same thing I P up wrong I'm a
[2:40:04] Believer in the process and I think
people should have the opportunity to be
[2:40:06] heard you know earlier they was talking
about decimal points and on that's where
[2:40:10] I was going with Event Center is that
where you was going with it or no I
[2:40:13] picked up on that yeah I'm talking to
Jason you said you had a reason for the
[2:40:18] decimals too or
cuz the 55 was that's pretty strict the
[2:40:23] 55 decel point is very strict that's
really strict yeah yeah cuz we we've set
[2:40:30] 70 kind of at Morrison's Grove and and
while it hadn't eliminated motor grass
[2:40:35] they violating that's right well with
respect yeah with but we've set 70 at
[2:40:41] the property line for morison's Grove
and that's greatly reduced the uh the
[2:40:46] amount of complaints that we we've got
and there they said was 50 five five I
[2:40:50] think the property
line that's pretty strict that's pretty
[2:40:55] strict but we could we can you know
negotiate that the the drawback to the
[2:40:59] CZ is that the applicant has to agree to
the condition but under the same premise
[2:41:07] you know it's a legislative action and
the board has authority to deny the
[2:41:10] application if you're not comfortable
with what's taking place but it was
[2:41:15] critical U Mr how said we needed to have
location in the ordinance and in the
[2:41:20] county where it is allowed by right
that's why we we left it in the Li and
[2:41:24] the hi um to to so if you've got those
properties you you don't you just have
[2:41:29] to get technical permits upfi permits
but most of these places are going to be
[2:41:34] you know out in the country in rural
areas and we would we would kind of
[2:41:38] direct them to ask for a czrc on their
property and and then we'd have all
[2:41:43] those tools available to negotiate for
that specific site sounds okay thank you
[2:41:48] yes sir thank you Mr could we have a
motion in a second to continue this to
[2:41:54] November 25th since it is technically a
public hearing I have a motion motion
[2:41:58] have a second second all in favor any
opposed thank you thank you all all
[2:42:05] right 7i discussion on changing public
hearing
[2:42:10] procedures Mr
[2:42:16] chairman I know you had sent it to me
here a while back about yes sir um I
[2:42:23] sent this and the reason being
is I've witnessed and I have to be at a
[2:42:28] lot of the county commissioner meetings
in Rockingham County and their procedure
[2:42:33] for public hearing seems to just seems
from somebody as a commissioner serving
[2:42:38] in Davidson County and going there from
the staff proposal it seems that it
[2:42:42] operates a whole lot cleaner when you
have set limits of times to speak people
[2:42:48] don't reoccur what somebody else is
saying in other words it's the
[2:42:52] redundancy is down to zero the community
gets together they either focus with one
[2:42:59] person they can relinquish their minutes
to speak if if Steve says what I feel
[2:43:05] and then I was going to say the exact
same thing I can give my minutes to
[2:43:09] somebody else or I can give an
additional minutes to Steve as he
[2:43:12] continues to speak or whatever so I I
think you know having a clear set like
[2:43:18] that just tends to work out a little bit
better I'm not trying to say that you
[2:43:23] know we're trying to limit U the
citizens or anything like that but I do
[2:43:27] think it's this is not just um a benefit
for for the the the people but what if
[2:43:35] you've got seven public hearings and the
first public hearing wants to talk to 12
[2:43:40] at night is that fair to the other
citizens that need their stuff heard so
[2:43:44] I I really think it's a benefit for us
to just having in the Chairman's uh
[2:43:49] wheelhouse to say you know here's what
we've got we've got a timer up once the
[2:43:54] timer's done you have been heard
everybody gets a chance to be heard up
[2:43:58] into a percentage of time and the
community gets to decide most of the
[2:44:03] times when these communities get in here
like the one we just had they've got a
[2:44:06] spokesperson anyhow and um you know we
want to hear what they've got to say but
[2:44:11] it gives them the Hest to say get
together get your points out let us hear
[2:44:15] it but then we can operate our meeting
in an efficient manner another thing
[2:44:20] another thing that uh is is different
that I want I'm asking you Chris how
[2:44:26] works out is the fact they have to sign
up they do and here we don't do that
[2:44:31] yeah they they sign up they have their
stuff we we connect we get their
[2:44:36] information but um they sign up to speak
and we kind of already know that these
[2:44:42] are going to be the time limits and then
it helps the other people know who's on
[2:44:45] the list so if they need a copy to
relinquish their time time to the next
[2:44:49] speaker or if they feel like anything's
not going to be done they can kind of
[2:44:53] get together and do that I'm going to
start off with Fred since he's done as
[2:44:57] many public hearings as anybody in here
to see what his thoughts uh I
[2:45:02] I I don't uh necessarily agree with that
because you you're going to cut people
[2:45:08] off that might want to speak and whether
or not that person thinks that uh
[2:45:14] somebody in front of him has said the
same thing is really not is really not a
[2:45:21] mood point if he wants to speak as
public hearing he ought to be able to
[2:45:25] speak and I have said on these things
with the animal
[2:45:31] folks that I go on and on and
on but they have every effort every um
[2:45:39] opportunity to speak at a public hearing
that's what the public hearing is for
[2:45:44] and if we say well we're only going to
have five people speak or 10 people
[2:45:50] speak or it's only going to be 30
minutes then I I I think that we defeat
[2:45:55] the the use of the public
hearing the whole idea of the public
[2:46:00] hearing is for the public to be able to
speak right now uh I agree with
[2:46:10] Fred if you stop and think about I
understand the need to be looking at
[2:46:15] stuff like this but if you stop and
think about it we don't have that many
[2:46:19] and it's an occasion of what once in a
year once every couple years we don't
[2:46:22] have that many and I agree that the
public deserves their day in court if if
[2:46:27] you will you
[2:46:31] know I would just like to say
because that's right I would just like
[2:46:36] to say because I know that um certain
Commissioners in Rockingham County
[2:46:41] listen I would doubt that Kevin berer or
Mark Richardson or any of these
[2:46:47] conservative Republican Commissioners
would ever relinquish the time or duties
[2:46:54] of a citizen to to say that that the
policy that they've got put in place is
[2:46:59] trying to limit a Citizens time to be
able to speak their opinion I think is
[2:47:05] is just asinine to me I just think it's
it's government efficiency now what it
[2:47:12] does is it sets in line the duty that
the chairman of the Board of
[2:47:15] Commissioners already has it's written
in stone that the chairman at any time
[2:47:19] can set a speaker one speaker on behalf
of the community that's written in our
[2:47:24] state constitution it's written in our
state constitution that we have every
[2:47:28] right to put a limit to to make sure
that our our meetings go on as plan and
[2:47:36] it and it also limits the fact that if
you did have a group of individuals who
[2:47:40] tried to make a mockery of this board
and that meeting they could they could
[2:47:45] hold hostage this group and we could
have an UNL limited amount of speakers
[2:47:50] for an unlimited turn of minutes which
is not
[2:47:53] okay I'm just trying to bring that out
there it's never been done but it could
[2:47:58] be done and if you look at the you know
things that's going on in the community
[2:48:02] if they wanted to bring a 100 people and
we don't have a set term or a guideline
[2:48:08] on how to operate these meetings it's
not doing us any good and it's not doing
[2:48:12] anybody else that's on the agenda any
good if they want to speak that's my
[2:48:15] only reason and gentlemen Mr and Madam
yeah the only the only thing that I
[2:48:21] would say to that and it's not it's not
a disagreement with You Chris yes sir is
[2:48:26] you you said yourself it's already
written in stone is in the Constitution
[2:48:29] it's already written what chairman could
do so why why would we what is the need
[2:48:34] to duplicate when the chairman already
has that
[2:48:37] Authority I can add on that yeah we have
in the past especially where we've had
[2:48:43] um a long public hearing we have asked
the people that uh if they have had
[2:48:49] their piece covered that they would give
it up and they they have been very good
[2:48:55] in doing that we've had people say well
you know we don't want you know we call
[2:49:01] on somebody because they have the hand R
you you say well we've already covered
[2:49:05] ours we don't need to go up and and
we've done that and it's been very
[2:49:10] successful with the exception of the
animal things and with the animal things
[2:49:16] that they they won't speak
and I mean you know they come from I
[2:49:21] tried to limit to Davidson County you
can't do
[2:49:25] that I just when I was talking to these
commissioners before bringing it in
[2:49:31] front of the chairman and and the rest
of my my board members uh here uh I was
[2:49:38] asking them pros and cons and the cons
that they've had from having this policy
[2:49:45] in Rockingham County has been zero
because every everybody knows up front
[2:49:49] what the public hearing policy is what
the what the minutes are what's going to
[2:49:54] be stated and they haven't had anybody
complain so I did not think it was going
[2:50:00] to be an intrusive policy but I thought
it would be one that could be clearly
[2:50:05] stated legally backed and uh could could
help all the citizens be heard in a
[2:50:12] timely manner in in instances where we
have seven public hearings and um
[2:50:19] I just thought it would be beneficial to
all the citizens Adam I got a question
[2:50:23] for you then I'm going to leave I'm
gonna have you my fellow board members
[2:50:26] here in this conversation does the
Constitution give the chairman the right
[2:50:31] to only limit one person in a public
hearing
[2:50:35] well when I Casey asked me to look at
this question about um you
[2:50:41] know Mr Elliott had had um you know had
provided I guess it was Mr Elliott who
[2:50:46] had provided the the sample um so you
know the board I mean under the state
[2:50:53] statute does have the ability to limit I
mean to pass rules and that would limit
[2:51:01] um you know for example the ma time I
get it do all that stuff um and then
[2:51:09] there's you know there's a lot of
positive case law about you know the
[2:51:13] fact that you know not everybody has to
be given an opportunity to get up
[2:51:19] speak um you know so I so what I think
what it comes down to is you know what
[2:51:26] is this what is this board comfortable
doing now me in terms of your I mean
[2:51:30] your specific question about um you know
in terms of the the chair authori being
[2:51:38] able to just I mean you you can run I
mean you do you know have the authority
[2:51:44] to run I mean you are running the
meeting I mean um but but I would think
[2:51:49] not to disagree with Chris but I would
think they would it would be hard to
[2:51:53] have any kind of law that would have one
person like me as a chair uh as or
[2:51:59] whoever the chairman may be to only say
one person could speak in a public
[2:52:03] hearing because then you're really not
having a a public and I and I don't I
[2:52:08] yeah I I I think if you're going to have
if you're going to set
[2:52:13] rules like that I think it's something
that you would need to do in advance I
[2:52:17] mean I I you saying I think that those
are rules that you would need to set I
[2:52:21] don't think that you could from the
chair position I don't think you could
[2:52:26] just say I'm I'm limiting it
to you know a single person just you
[2:52:32] know and I never would agree to that to
me it needs to be a board decision but
[2:52:35] on the other hand it'd be hard for me to
believe you could only allow one person
[2:52:38] to speak at a public hearing you know
yeah my my position because again it's a
[2:52:43] public hearing you know if we're
debating law we should have had the law
[2:52:47] ready and ail a before this meeting I'm
not trying to statute but if we're if
[2:52:53] we're going to debate this and staff
knows that this is going to be a
[2:52:55] contentious argument and I'm just saying
I'm just saying just hold on a minute
[2:53:02] and we knew that we were going to have
this information brought out and we
[2:53:05] should have had the exact law you know
for North Carolina based on the Board of
[2:53:10] Commissioners what the commissioner's
Authority is well I I I do have it it's
[2:53:14] I mean so the statute is is 153 A- 52
and um and it says that the board May
[2:53:22] adopt reasonable rules governing the
conduct of public hearings including
[2:53:26] been unlimited to rules fixing the time
the maximum time allowed to each
[2:53:32] speaker providing for the designation of
spokespeople for groups of people who
[2:53:37] are spokes people for groups that's what
not just saying one person can speak but
[2:53:42] spokes people for groups continue on um
providing for the selection of delegates
[2:53:48] you know people who have the same
position similar to what yeah and I've
[2:53:52] already went through this before in
meetings prior have you been a part of
[2:53:56] it I know Fred is because we discussed
this some time before I can go ahead and
[2:54:00] tell the consensus of the board's
probably not to approve this and I I'm
[2:54:03] fine with no I'm not saying that I'm
saying I want to know if the chairman
[2:54:07] has that Authority or not because that's
the part I've never heard you do have
[2:54:11] that author I know what this board can
do as a consensus we can come up with
[2:54:14] any kind of rules as a chairman you have
that yes sir I would like for you to
[2:54:17] double check that because I will do that
do some research because again to me
[2:54:22] that's giv one person The
Authority it's kind of like we talking
[2:54:26] about before about attorneys back there
sometimes I think I'm one Casey does and
[2:54:31] I'm far from that but it's it's hard for
me to believe that one person would have
[2:54:36] that kind of authority in a public
hearing because uh it's difficult when
[2:54:41] you get in situation because it during
the public hearings you generally have
[2:54:47] people who think of a question that they
would like to discuss that wasn't
[2:54:53] brought up by the other people and they
would be that would eliminate them from
[2:54:59] being able to give their
opinion see what I'm saying yeah but I I
[2:55:05] kind of it it happens especially where
you have a lot of pros and cons from the
[2:55:10] board and from the speakers did you put
up that policy Mr uh Casey for everybody
[2:55:17] to read that I sent you from Lance is it
not attached to the item I didn't see it
[2:55:22] it is it's in our there it is for some
reason I couldn't pull like I said the
[2:55:27] other night after that public hearing
you have some that even come up with
[2:55:30] questions after the public hearing's
closed you know so you always going to
[2:55:33] have that that's I thought that was
spoken of in there in
[2:55:38] their additional matters what I don't
really have a problem with and then
[2:55:42] we'll get to y'all well y'all go ahead
first okay well let me let me go ahead
[2:55:47] the
this one as written I think the problem
[2:55:51] is the 30 minute time limit okay you
know I think that's if you give three
[2:55:56] minutes okay that's only 10 people you
know that's that's that's only 10 people
[2:56:02] um if they don't want to give up their
um time you know and you know some of
[2:56:08] these contentious but I think more than
anything the way the way you've
[2:56:14] conducted Fred the ones of us that I've
seen be chair when we I think it's a
[2:56:19] case by case basis is is what you kind
of have to look at I've seen like
[2:56:25] commissioner
um what's my name what's your name
[2:56:30] Todd obviously commissioner y obvious me
ince y I'm good I do the same thing all
[2:56:37] time I'm getting
tired terrible we've as we moved through
[2:56:42] the meeting we've changed things you
know to make it run a little bit better
[2:56:48] like the other night with him saying
again I would like for you to consider
[2:56:53] whether you've already what you're going
to say has already been said and a lot
[2:56:57] of them all only just need to be
reminded of that and they'll sit back in
[2:57:01] their chair and they will not get up and
speak so I think it's a case by case uh
[2:57:07] as to the you know contentiousness of
the situation and I like the way the
[2:57:13] chairman has the ability to do that you
know and over time as we get older we do
[2:57:19] a better job you know of of being chair
and conducting the meeting so I don't
[2:57:26] believe I would CH I don't I don't
believe I would change it from what
[2:57:29] we're doing I just think the chair needs
to
[2:57:33] be mindful of trying to get it to move
along keep it going and I think I I
[2:57:40] think that's up to us Mr chairman if I
can kind of add into this a little bit
[2:57:45] cuz I I would suspect and commissioner
can correct me if I'm wrong working
[2:57:51] having worked in Alamance County this
policy was probably written by the same
[2:57:54] attorney yeah that's it was similar
thing in Alamance we had public hearings
[2:57:59] where like we do now here and it was
implemented with uh some guidelines on
[2:58:05] time for speakers um I think
commissioner Watford made a good point
[2:58:09] the 30 minute time limit kind of Narrows
down if you got a room full of people
[2:58:12] that's 10 people that's right yeah it is
but not having a time limit on an
[2:58:17] individual speaker allows an individual
speaker to monopolize potentially the
[2:58:22] room I've never seen it happen here
since I've been in Davidson County but I
[2:58:25] have seen in other places you city of
Greensboro that's happened before
[2:58:29] happened in Alamance before it's
possible you know that that so just kind
[2:58:34] of putting that out there as well but if
that's the case
[2:58:40] Jason is it not
the forgive me is it not the Chairman's
[2:58:45] purview to say to stop it Mr
you for 30 minutes we've done that've
[2:58:52] done that I believe we've heard what
you've got to say not legally Point
[2:58:56] become a disruption of the meeting and
that's a different issue if you said
[2:59:00] it's the state constitution yeah you
said it was in the Constitution has to
[2:59:05] be listed it has to be listed before can
I you read the whole thing can I can I
[2:59:09] just just well we've done it anyway
interject quickly on this I so we we do
[2:59:15] currently have a rule in our you know in
in our rules of procedure for for this
[2:59:22] board um we do and it's it's rule 28 and
it says that public hearings required by
[2:59:30] law um or deemed advisable by the
board um you know at at the time that
[2:59:38] you set the
hearing you can what this what this
[2:59:43] calls for is that you can set forth you
know any rules regarding the length of
[2:59:48] time
allotted um you know and designating
[2:59:52] Representatives right um and then it
says at the pointed time the chair uh
[2:59:57] you know the chair will you know will
have the you you'll have the ability to
[3:00:03] enforce that um so what the what the
rules call for now is essentially it's a
[3:00:09] caseby casee situation so if you feel
like you know an upcoming hearing is
[3:00:16] going to
require something you know some kind of
[3:00:21] a time limit or you know definitive
closing time you know per person or you
[3:00:29] know for the entire hearing you can set
that at the time you set the public
[3:00:35] hearing so I think I think what Mr
Elliott is is proposing would be to you
[3:00:40] know
to to make it you know a more of a a
[3:00:45] uniform so so we can we can set each
time at a uh at each individual meeting
[3:00:51] yes yes so you can but I but I do think
that's something that should be set
[3:00:56] forth you know so when at the time that
you set the public hearing you you would
[3:01:02] want to state in the hearing
notice you know what the rules are going
[3:01:08] to be you know and here's something I'm
going to say a little bit um I I don't
[3:01:13] think 30 minutes is long enough I don't
either but I think maybe we should do an
[3:01:17] hour yeah I agree with an you know what
I
[3:01:21] mean just like we had one public hearing
go sorry to interrupt you but it it went
[3:01:26] to 2:00 in the morning yeah and you know
so because again most of it we do hear
[3:01:31] it's the same thing even though you tell
them not speak about the same thing it's
[3:01:35] the same thing but also puts the
chairman in a bad position with the way
[3:01:39] the rules are now if he if he marks a
public hearing and says now these
[3:01:44] individuals I'm only going to allow them
speak but we don't have a policy that's
[3:01:47] broad now it looks like he's pointing
them out so having a policy that at
[3:01:53] least is somewhat Broad and in fact
covers the it it does not make the
[3:02:00] chairman look like he's trying to point
a specific group out I I attended a a
[3:02:06] public hearing recently where well
something not too long ago but we know
[3:02:12] what it was I think in the city the uh
board gave an hour and a half for those
[3:02:19] who want to speak in favor and an hour
and a half for those who want to speak
[3:02:25] in opposition to it it ended up calling
the meeting and it's been postponed to
[3:02:29] later on because they got so far out of
hand and so long that but they they they
[3:02:35] laid it out but they didn't adhar to it
because the first speaker was uh spoke
[3:02:39] three hours well see I think I think the
three minute limit is is a definite you
[3:02:44] got to have that so nobody can
dictate disagree on the on our public
[3:02:49] comment we limit them to three minutes
you're right on the public hearing we
[3:02:55] don't they get hearing they ought to be
able um to express their
[3:03:00] opinion but I don't think Fred they
should be able to talk three hours amen
[3:03:05] and I I think that what we're talking
about here is something that doesn't
[3:03:08] particularly apply to this board because
I hadn't heard anybody come here and
[3:03:13] want to speak an hour or even three
hours or EX 30 minutes I go to this
[3:03:19] public hearing will take you with me but
they could most of the most of the time
[3:03:24] it's done you know and it's over but but
I'm just saying I don't know like an
[3:03:28] hour again most of the time and I and
I'm forgiving everybody their right to
[3:03:32] speak everybody knows that um but you
know in an hour you should have enough
[3:03:39] time should to know all the issues at
hand how about this Mr chairman cuz I've
[3:03:45] had this done before how about the hour
for the the total public hearing right
[3:03:51] and then each person gets five minutes
to
[3:03:54] speak with the ability to speak twice
and once I spoke once I've spoken twice
[3:04:00] on a subject that's my 10 minutes and I
should be
[3:04:03] done that get pretty complicated to keep
up with you know a little bit I mean I I
[3:04:09] don't have any problem with it with the
women that that would
[3:04:13] cut the animal folks down to to an hour
I don't have any problem with that when
[3:04:19] when I first was on the board they were
doing the uh Planning and Zoning
[3:04:24] remember when they started doing that
and they had to go down to the theater
[3:04:29] down there to have the hearing now that
was a long hearing another one was when
[3:04:34] we when we tried to do the uh public
hearing on the yetkin before when we
[3:04:41] went to several different places to to
see what theirs was but we haven't had a
[3:04:46] situation
in in my knowledge that that went that
[3:04:52] way the only ones that I've seen are the
ones with kids and the ones with pets
[3:04:58] and those tend to go longer than yeah we
we ain't had a whole lot of trouble with
[3:05:03] it but again and you there's no problem
with announcing at the beginning
[3:05:08] especially if you if you have it that
the announce that
[3:05:12] the item for such and such will be
limited to an hour you I don't think you
[3:05:18] can have yeah but I think like you said
we kind of need to set it up as a board
[3:05:22] yeah yeah and and I think it's you
know I don't I I don't want to speak for
[3:05:28] Casey but I I think you know what what
we're looking to you know the board you
[3:05:36] know at this meeting is to sort of
determine is this something that you all
[3:05:41] are interested in pursuing further and
if if that's the case you know sort of
[3:05:46] let us know what the General sort of
what the general um you know premises
[3:05:52] are that you would want us to cover and
then we could go back and kind of draft
[3:05:57] a policy you know that would be you know
that would that would be geared towards
[3:06:03] ex you know how you want it to be um you
know and it and I guess you know a big
[3:06:10] part of this is this deciding in advance
or deciding you know whether you want to
[3:06:15] to do something more specific you know
is you know are are you satisfied with
[3:06:21] the current rule where you know you
could set you know you could set
[3:06:27] parameters on time you know and
representation you know on a Case by
[3:06:33] case basis and and you really as Casey
said I think you would need to do it in
[3:06:38] advance um you know and publish it in
the hearing notice or do you want to you
[3:06:44] know adopt you know specific time limit
that will apply across the board always
[3:06:51] you know for all hearings so I mean
that's seems to be kind of the you know
[3:06:57] a big part of the pro thought process
there I think that bring about that
[3:07:04] though is our public hearings are set at
the same time that the planning board
[3:07:08] public hearings are set they don't even
know whether it's contested at that
[3:07:11] point in time I mean we do have some
that like David and Craven we knew it
[3:07:15] was going to be contested but they they
had things that come up that they don't
[3:07:19] see being contested and their we've
already scheduled a public hearing
[3:07:23] before they've had theirs and and I
don't want to look I don't I don't want
[3:07:27] the board as a whole to look you
know to look like we're aggressive
[3:07:34] towards any party we we just I I think
it'd be beneficial just for the citizens
[3:07:41] of Davon County just to have a policy
that was Broad and whatever we voted it
[3:07:45] would be beneficial for them too because
people's got to sit out there and hear
[3:07:48] the same thing we got to hear over and
over and over too you know I mean and
[3:07:52] again they talk about traffic well we
don't have anything to do with traffic
[3:07:55] they don't understand that but if do
gives them a permit then that's traffic
[3:07:59] is not really ours I get it they want us
to hear it and I'm listening but again
[3:08:03] we don't have a whole lot to say about
the traffic part of it but again we may
[3:08:07] be doing them a favor because they ain't
got to sit here till midnight especially
[3:08:11] if you're the hearing behind that I
think the hour limit is is something
[3:08:16] that we could and do and and limit
it I don't see a problem with that I
[3:08:22] have a problem individually yeah we had
to situation come up where we had the uh
[3:08:28] people down there at the lake I think or
maybe maybe was at the lake where they
[3:08:32] had uh disables where the guys was
having parties down there and he was
[3:08:37] doing it all nice long we we talked to
those people two or three times and it
[3:08:42] was one of those things that we wanted
to try to get the folks the staff to do
[3:08:47] do something about and look into and and
that happens hey like I said you just
[3:08:52] tell them at the beginning of the
meeting look we got an hour be mindful
[3:08:56] of other people's time say say what you
want to say and be mindful that we only
[3:09:01] have a total of an hour but go ahead and
once this policy if it's adopted I can
[3:09:05] see where it would be beneficial to get
opposition organized you know you get
[3:09:11] your speakers you get your points and
your ideas across but to be so
[3:09:16] restricted that you disenfranchise the
citizen uh where they don't feel like
[3:09:22] they get there that's The Balancing Act
and I I don't envy you sitting in that
[3:09:25] chair because that the the I'm I'm a
Believer in the process I've been doing
[3:09:30] this 31 years I remember the pedmont
chemical uh public hearing that last
[3:09:36] well past midnight so I I could see a
benefit to to limiting the time frame
[3:09:42] and and you know up front you're going
to have an hour you're going to have an
[3:09:46] hour and a half whatever that that
number is that helps the opposition and
[3:09:50] the applicant get organized and get the
points across where you're not just
[3:09:54] peace Mill here and the same things
again so what is a good time an hour
[3:09:58] hour and a half what what's a good time
it's it's got subjective based on the
[3:10:02] the content of the but I'm just saying
what would your thoughts be an hour
[3:10:06] would be proba I think an hour would
probably be adequate you you can shoot
[3:10:10] for that but if you have something like
a pedmont chemical or or something where
[3:10:14] you're taking in a lot of technical
information a larger project you you
[3:10:18] could maybe make an exception to the
rule and say hour and a half for the
[3:10:21] entire public hearing and I'm on the
chairman would have that right to add
[3:10:24] another 30 minutes at the time we would
write that into the policy that that
[3:10:29] would be don't don't need to write it in
you just do it do that yeah you have um
[3:10:34] then that pedm chemical thing we had
more discussion amongst the board than
[3:10:40] we had from the citizens so the majority
of the of the upon time we spent was
[3:10:46] back in forth with the cuz it was very
contentious it was ultimately declined
[3:10:52] the reason why I continue to say right
into a policy is because these are Quasi
[3:10:57] judicial these are public hearings this
is a legislative deal and to hold up in
[3:11:03] court what I've been advised of by by
councils and and even our councils that
[3:11:09] if we have a firm policy that we stand
before of if if it if it's not been done
[3:11:16] before we give notice of the public
hearing not the public hearing it has to
[3:11:21] be given the rules and procedures at the
notice of the public hearing so at that
[3:11:25] point in time before meetings might be
happening or whatever the chairman has
[3:11:29] to then name these things if we have a
policy it's done we don't have to think
[3:11:34] about it and I think I know this board
hears you know legislative public
[3:11:38] hearings and quasa judicial hearings I
think you you'd have to be a lot more
[3:11:42] relaxed in theal setting because if an
applicant doesn't feel like they have
[3:11:47] what time and Adam can maybe speak to
this to get their points in because if
[3:11:51] it moves up Beyond this decision the
judge bases the whole decision on the
[3:11:57] record and and that you know so the the
for a quasi judicial hearing you'd have
[3:12:02] to be a little bit more relaxed you'd
have to give about as much time as they
[3:12:06] pretty much as much time as they needed
yeah or they felt like they needed and I
[3:12:10] don't think that it the the Board needs
permission to extend time on anything no
[3:12:16] I I I don't think they do either um you
have limit if the applicant understands
[3:12:22] you don't think everybody's heard you
can extend it well if the applicant
[3:12:26] understands you got extra amount of time
it's a gift to really get more time you
[3:12:31] do so I think
that yeah all right if everybody's good
[3:12:35] with it I mean why don't we start off
with an hour and let's just again if it
[3:12:39] don't work we can see I mean so will
that be an hour for and an hour against
[3:12:43] or just hour
total yeah
[3:12:47] yeah I mean if that was something that
they could just include in their public
[3:12:50] hearing notice that the that the public
hearings would be limited to an hour
[3:12:54] right right and maybe amend the rules of
procedure well right so I I mean I guess
[3:12:59] the question is is do you
want you want it to be I mean it it
[3:13:05] would appear it would appear in your
your
[3:13:08] notices but I guess question is you know
would you be do you think it would be
[3:13:14] satisfactory to just start putting that
in the Public Notices as a as a matter
[3:13:20] of course and you know and if we and if
we wouldn't that wouldn't even require a
[3:13:26] change in policy that would meet your
Authority as the as the CH all I'm
[3:13:31] saying you know so just so that you so
that each time it would just be in the
[3:13:36] template that says you know we're
calling a hearing and you know you every
[3:13:42] time we send out one of those it would
just have an hour but it would not then
[3:13:46] the knows and the clerk keeps up with
the hour and that's the way and it
[3:13:49] wouldn't I but it wouldn't be a change
to your rules or would you do you want
[3:13:54] to actually change your rules to add the
hour I'm good for not changing the rules
[3:13:59] keep the rules the same but at least
mention and and cover the requirement in
[3:14:04] the statute for the Chairman's Authority
and I think we be I agree I agree with
[3:14:08] that I think put the hour in there to
make sure you also put in that template
[3:14:12] yes that the chairman has the option by
Constitution amen to to extend the time
[3:14:18] to extend the time or whatever necess I
don't know I don't know that I'd put
[3:14:23] that in a public is not necessary I
wouldn't put that in the public hearing
[3:14:27] I just say we're going to limit it to an
hour of saying on all non quasa judicial
[3:14:34] that's the way I was talk be prepared to
defend and this board seen enough public
[3:14:37] hearings to know which ones may push
that hour limit so a lot of them are you
[3:14:42] know 5 10 15 minutes and we're done so
thank goodness on the days we got five
[3:14:46] hearings yeah oh yeah but like saying
the chairman remind them up front look
[3:14:50] this is an our public so oh yeah you
know try try to keep the I'm good with
[3:14:55] that repetitive stuff okay CU if not
yeah I mean sometime you knew we sat
[3:15:00] here for two and a half hours listening
to the same thing yeah I mean and you
[3:15:05] can tell them a hundred times not to
repeat the same stuff but they going to
[3:15:09] do it so thank you all right we got that
one so we got some of it out sir some of
[3:15:13] that sir an hour yep an hour one hour
all right
[3:15:17] discussion of Burlington home uh
Consortium board of directors Mr I'm
[3:15:22] sorry solar panel itself I'm I'm ahead
of myself um I keep looking at that qu
[3:15:27] clock and going it's lunchtime but it's
only 11:00 1100 oh my good I have not
[3:15:33] changed the clock I've been thinking
this I'm like man I got to go I got to
[3:15:37] go I got to
go I was about to start SL I was
[3:15:41] wondering why I wasn't hungry yet but
that's cool I
[3:15:45] know all right so Le we can do it on
Thursday morning we got I be here at
[3:15:50] 12:00 oh
Lord to set your own rules on that 7j
[3:15:56] okay so we talked about this briefly I'm
just going to wait for these guys for a
[3:16:01] second here not sure okay um so we
talked about this briefly at our our
[3:16:07] last meeting this this solar lease
option um so and and we ended up
[3:16:14] continuing it because we I think there
were only three members of the board who
[3:16:17] were who were here when we talked about
it so I'm going to just quickly talk
[3:16:21] through it again um so you all probably
recall when we bought this the property
[3:16:28] from the Franks at 350 acres for the
park um that Debbie can you possibly
[3:16:35] bring up that agreement and scroll to
the very end where there's that picture
[3:16:40] of the
[3:16:43] property okay yeah so
you guys I I mean so when we bought the
[3:16:50] property you know it was it's subject to
this um option agreement with the Solar
[3:16:56] Company
to uh to put a to lease this property to
[3:17:02] for a solar farm um and so when we took
the property we bought the property it's
[3:17:10] subject to that option agreement and um
as part of the sale process we agreed
[3:17:19] with the solar developer that we would
you know basically negotiate a lease
[3:17:25] agreement um you know negotiating good
faith a you know a lease agreement um
[3:17:32] that you know that that would be that
would be the long-term lease I mean
[3:17:37] So currently under the the lease option
agreement they
[3:17:43] have they have until next
um
[3:17:48] July to tell us you know whether they
want to you know exercise that option
[3:17:55] and and and actually build that solar
farm um so what they wanted to do is get
[3:18:02] more specific information I mean draft a
lease that would lay out all of the
[3:18:09] details um you know in terms of what
their rights are what our rights are you
[3:18:16] know and um you know what they can build
you know and and so forth and so you
[3:18:23] know I went through and
negotiated this full lease agreement
[3:18:29] with them and so basically what I've you
know what has been presented to you
[3:18:37] is this you know this negotiated lease
and so what this lease does is it you
[3:18:44] know it it sets up the you know all the
terms and conditions that would apply
[3:18:49] you know and basically they they would
have this 25y
[3:18:53] year lease and which could ultimately be
extended out to 40
[3:18:58] years
[3:19:02] um but one key thing about this lease
agreement is that it still keeps that
[3:19:09] July of
2025 time frame so it's essentially
[3:19:14] still giving the the solar company until
next July
[3:19:21] to decide if they want to go
longterm or if they just want to cancel
[3:19:28] the whole
thing
[3:19:31] um does that does that make sense I I
got a question since I guess I was part
[3:19:36] of this from up front I didn't know uh
Casey when did all this come effect that
[3:19:42] I mean I knew there was a lease I knew
these people had a lease with the
[3:19:45] original owner
so did that lease just not carry over to
[3:19:49] us that that we had to honor that that
agreement that lease option agreement
[3:19:55] Ian yeah until the terms of when it
stops and there's yeah so the that's
[3:19:59] what he's talking about so I get that
part but again
[3:20:05] when part no let me see how to phrase
this
[3:20:09] why did they hold that hostage over our
head when we bought this property that
[3:20:13] said y'all going to have to meet these
requirements these renewal of the lease
[3:20:18] or or negotiate a lease agreement
because the Franks hadn't done that
[3:20:23] again they just had a basic lease that
said we might take y'all's property or
[3:20:27] we just inherited the lease and told
them when that time comes when it's up
[3:20:30] we'll have a conversation with cuz I
think that original lease made reference
[3:20:33] to the fact that we would in good faith
have that conversation so so basically
[3:20:38] what you know so they the Franks that
agreed about I don't know a year and a
[3:20:44] half before we bought the property
two years whatever um they had signed
[3:20:50] this lease option agreement with this
Solar Company and that lease option
[3:20:57] agreement goes with the property runs
with the land so when we bought it you
[3:21:03] know we had to assume that obligation
when we bought the property just
[3:21:08] probably a simple lease option agreement
it is it's a lease option and and it has
[3:21:13] you know like a two or three page term
sheet attached to the lease option
[3:21:19] rather than a full lease and so what
what the Solar
[3:21:24] Company you know ask us to do as part of
the when we assume the the
[3:21:31] lease um the lease I'm sorry when we
assume the lease option agreement what
[3:21:37] they ask us to do is to negotiate a full
lease with them just so that they ask us
[3:21:43] to do that but we have no legal
obligation to do that at this point we
[3:21:47] declined as part of the purchase now I
think that lease doesn't it say that we
[3:21:51] would in good faith have that
conversation well it says yeah when so
[3:21:55] when we assumed the when we assumed the
lease I mean we had to get part of the
[3:22:01] part of the deal that the Franks had was
that the Solar Company had
[3:22:10] to um had to had to consent to to the
sale right okay so we had so they so
[3:22:18] they had
essentially leverage over us to an
[3:22:22] extent right and so what we said what we
said was okay well we
[3:22:28] can't we're not going to guarantee
anything but you know in order but we
[3:22:35] will agree with you that we will
negotiate a lease in good faith and that
[3:22:40] that's that's what we that's
what that's how we
[3:22:47] essentially got them to agree you know
to you know to consent to the transfer
[3:22:54] so if you know so that I wasn't I would
not have planned to negotiate a full
[3:23:01] lease if it had not been for that but
they you know basically made that a
[3:23:06] condition
of you know of giving their consent you
[3:23:11] know they said well we'll consent to the
transfer if you agree to negotiate and
[3:23:16] go Faith a lease agre you know a full
lease agreement
[3:23:20] so you know so after the property
transaction closed I I went ahead
[3:23:28] negotiated this full lease agreement um
which I think it's a you know I think
[3:23:34] it's a fair agreement you know and it's
I think it's a good agreement that would
[3:23:39] um protect our interest going forward
you know if they actually did decide to
[3:23:44] build the solar facility
um you know and it does sort of preserve
[3:23:50] that
option period that you know that they
[3:23:55] would have to make a decision by July of
next year whether they're going to do it
[3:23:59] or not now there is I mean there is one
um I think important factor that that
[3:24:08] you know that you should be aware of and
this came up a little bit um in our
[3:24:14] discussion last time
you know so if
[3:24:18] you you know they well first off you
know even if we don't sign this lease
[3:24:26] now if
they if they decide to exercise their
[3:24:31] option before July of next year you know
we will be obligated to sign a lease
[3:24:39] with them so basically it would be
agreeing to sign the lease now or or
[3:24:47] just waiting until July to sign to sign
the lease agreement which I think we we
[3:24:53] could say well okay well we're just not
going to sign the lease now but and
[3:24:58] we'll just punt it
until next July I think that I don't
[3:25:02] think that would be bad faith to do
that the SEC second point
[3:25:10] is um you
know whether we sign a lease today
[3:25:16] or sign a lease next
July the Solar Company is still going to
[3:25:23] have to go through you know the the
zoning
[3:25:28] process um in order to build this solar
facility um and the land is
[3:25:36] currently
zoned I think it's what R RS and R2 R RS
[3:25:43] and ra2 I think the area where this is
is
[3:25:48] ra2 and so what that so what that would
mean is they would have to re in order
[3:25:54] to build a solar farm on this area they
would have to request a special use
[3:26:00] permit and that special use special use
permit for that
[3:26:05] area um for a solar farm would have to
be granted by this
[3:26:12] board um quick question um again to me
good faith effort whether we do it we
[3:26:18] knew when we bought the land we had a
they had this option okay right so again
[3:26:23] to us what what I would be saying is in
good faith if you come to me next July
[3:26:28] and want to do this then we'll go in
good faith and and try to lease you to
[3:26:33] property sign that lease right at that
point you know I mean or not sign it or
[3:26:37] not well no you'd have to sign we have
to we have to negotiate is it written in
[3:26:43] that renewable well we just have I I
mean if they
[3:26:49] exercise if they exercise the lease
option then we are contractually
[3:26:57] obligated
to sign a lease with them for for
[3:27:01] whatever what was that how much money uh
I see something like a th000 bucks is it
[3:27:06] a th000 an acre I think it's $1,000 an
acre per per year every year escalating
[3:27:12] at 10% every 5 years so 25,000 bucks so
it's 25,000 a year
[3:27:20] um so you know the I mean the other
option you know you can always I mean so
[3:27:27] you're contractually obligated to do it
but on the other on the other hand you
[3:27:31] know I guess you could always breach the
contract and say we're just we're just
[3:27:36] going to breach the contract and you can
sue us for damages you know or you know
[3:27:42] sue us to try to force us to you know
would this lease put us in any worse
[3:27:49] position than we in
now I don't think it puts us in any
[3:27:54] worse position because we're still you
know whether we sign this lease today or
[3:28:02] they exercise a
lease you know we're going to have to
[3:28:06] negotiate a lease agreement unless we
decide as I said unless we decide to
[3:28:12] just breach the agreement and say we're
not going to you know we're not going to
[3:28:17] honor the agreement and I'm not I'm not
sitting here telling you we should be
[3:28:20] breaching our our contracts but I'm
saying that is that is a consideration
[3:28:25] in in any contract I and nobody saying
contract is always an option nobody's
[3:28:30] saying we want to do that um but what
I'm saying is if it don't put us in any
[3:28:34] worse position or if it don't put us any
in any worse position to sign or or go
[3:28:40] into this lease agreement uh in July
let's just wait till July when the guys
[3:28:46] can tell us whether they want the land
or not you know and I get what you got
[3:28:50] you've been talking to these people and
and you have comeing and so we got to
[3:28:54] lease okay but let's wait till July when
you guys know whether y'all want to
[3:28:58] lease the land or not and if you do then
we'll work in good faith effort to U
[3:29:03] right to lease you to land I mean we
ain't talking but a few months down the
[3:29:06] road now you know I mean Christmas Is
Almost Here so yeah I mean I think what
[3:29:11] their thought process is and I'm I'm not
negotiating for them but I'm just I
[3:29:17] think what their thought process is is
that they want to have a signed lease so
[3:29:23] that when they go to whatever bank or
finance company to Grants to well to get
[3:29:31] you or or do Grant applications or
whatever whoever they're planning to do
[3:29:36] their deals with I think they want to
have you know assigned
[3:29:41] lease you know that they can take and
you know and and present present to you
[3:29:47] know the bank or the finance company or
the power company that they're planning
[3:29:52] to sell their power to and say hey
here's this is the lease that would
[3:29:57] apply you know if we build this
power you know if we build this power
[3:30:03] facility um so I mean one Middle Ground
I mean one Middle Ground option here
[3:30:12] would be that instead of signing the
lease today we
[3:30:19] could we could say that we will amend
the option agreement to add the to add
[3:30:26] the negotiated lease as the attachment
so that so that whenever they exercise
[3:30:32] the lease in
July we do we we will agree that this is
[3:30:38] the contract we'll sign does that make
sense so right so right now so in good
[3:30:43] faith we can ask way more than what
they're willing to pay
[3:30:46] in good faith to to say this is our
agreement if they deny what what our
[3:30:51] terms of the agreement is then we have
disagreed Alto together but we've made a
[3:30:56] good faith to say okay if you want to do
this then this is what we'll accept as a
[3:31:00] payment can we do that well so so right
now what the what the lease option says
[3:31:08] is that you know there's like a there's
like a three-page exhibit to this lease
[3:31:14] option and and that three-page exhibit
tells us what the basic terms have to be
[3:31:20] including the price so what I what I'm
suggesting is that got instead of the
[3:31:27] three-page you the three-page term sheet
we just put we just delete the
[3:31:33] three-page term sheet and put the lease
in as substitute the the draft lease
[3:31:39] agreement in as the exhibit to the
contract and then you say well we're not
[3:31:46] signing the lease now but if you
do decide to to exercise the option
[3:31:54] before July this is the this is the
agreement that we will sign so you're
[3:32:00] basically giving them the
certainty of knowing what they're
[3:32:06] getting ex you know so that they can
kind of so they can have that
[3:32:11] certainty but we're not actually you
know going so far as to sign the lease I
[3:32:17] mean I think that would be kind of a
middle ground and that's I you know
[3:32:22] that's that's what I initially that's
what I thought we I was doing with them
[3:32:28] when we started negotiating it I thought
this was going to be a draft lease that
[3:32:33] would then be assign I mean that would
then be attached to the option agreement
[3:32:38] and then you know but but
then later you know they said well no
[3:32:45] that it's actually our intent to sign
this lease immediately rather than
[3:32:50] attach it to the option agreement as an
exhibit so I I don't you know I feel
[3:32:57] like it would
be you know a decent Middle Ground to
[3:33:02] say well okay
we'll you know we'll agree to amend
[3:33:08] the option agreement you know such that
we all agree that we'll this is the form
[3:33:15] of the police that will sign if you
exercise your
[3:33:19] option but again you know I that's not
something you have to do I'm just
[3:33:24] suggesting that as a third as a what's
what's your thought Casey we inherited a
[3:33:28] bad contract and it's got no way out and
the only reason we didn't have to talk
[3:33:33] to him is because we had to give them
first R refusal to buy the land so I
[3:33:38] think Adam's got him I mean he's right
it's at a place where do you want to
[3:33:43] have his terms put in there as the
exhibit for July
[3:33:46] given it I like the maybe the weight
just then they may not want to maybe
[3:33:50] something changes between now and
July I don't know where're I don't see
[3:33:55] we're giving a little more time would
hurt anything at this
[3:33:58] point um giving who more time us more
time to have that see if something H and
[3:34:04] them too I mean I don't know maybe
there's something happens and they don't
[3:34:07] want to exercise it see they they got a
whole lot of stuff to go through before
[3:34:10] they got to worry about going to the
bank to get money or finance and you
[3:34:14] know first of all they got a a lot of
lot of other stuff to go through so but
[3:34:18] I get it at that point U they want I
don't say were more time sitting on this
[3:34:23] one would hurt at this point I mean
that's what my thought process was a
[3:34:27] when was this when when did they do this
agreement with the Franks what
[3:34:32] year well let's see so long time it
would have been July of
[3:34:38] 2022 2022 runs
through yeah so so it's a three-year
[3:34:44] threeyear option
signed in July 2022 ending in July
[3:34:50] 2025 so they signed
it you know I wish the Franks would have
[3:34:56] negotiate a little harder on this one
you know they're taking it but I mean we
[3:35:00] took it knowing they're there right and
we took it also knowing we make it get
[3:35:04] power from them in the future it's not
like we didn't know going into this it's
[3:35:08] just it's not a I know how we are we
don't like contracts where we're forced
[3:35:12] into positions that we really ain't got
a whole lot of say over and and only
[3:35:15] thing I'm saying is you know to me now
personally I'd be like when you know
[3:35:20] you're going to build it get with me and
then we'll get to the Brass tax of the
[3:35:24] the lease you know when you know when
you got your financing in place and that
[3:35:29] that's how I would work now again you
may see this differently on this this
[3:35:34] item uh can I ask a question yeah go
ahead do you this might be a silly
[3:35:41] question no silly questions in this room
but um do you think it's
[3:35:46] it's
about if we just give them what you're
[3:35:51] saying and not giving them all the
details do you think they're wanting to
[3:35:55] see what the details are where we are
and how much money we're they're going
[3:36:00] to have to pay us the money's already
been a negotiator they already know that
[3:36:05] yeah so that that was already agreed on
by the Frank it's not anything really
[3:36:09] new so that goes back to your point why
why till next year
[3:36:16] yeah so the yeah so the basic business
all the basic business terms are decided
[3:36:20] I mean okay we went through I mean it's
decided in that term sheet what what we
[3:36:24] did was go through and make you know all
the little day-to-day things that you
[3:36:31] need to have in a lease like how close
can you build to the edge of the
[3:36:35] property well you know how you know what
about you know coming across our
[3:36:40] property to get into their you know all
those little details about you know
[3:36:46] um dayto day how's this lease going to
work for 25 years you know so when when
[3:36:52] they sign this with the Franks they
signed it and the and the Franks lease
[3:36:57] ends at 25 right well or they have an
option to renew they have an option to R
[3:37:02] not to renew I guess they have an option
to actually lease the property not renew
[3:37:06] the U so to extend I mean so so if they
exercise so if we do enter into a lease
[3:37:11] with them they'll have I think it's 25
years I 25 or 30 but it's but longer
[3:37:18] than any of us are going to be here this
is my question so the Franks have a way
[3:37:22] out of the lease we get in it and and we
don't have a way out now we got a way
[3:37:28] out in 2025 if they don't exercise their
option this is an option on the property
[3:37:33] so the fr the Frank never the Franks
never had a way out so when so from the
[3:37:38] time that they signed that option
agreement they were legally bound to
[3:37:45] sign a solar lease agreement with this
company till 2025 till 2025 so they had
[3:37:51] a way out 2025 just wait them out that's
that's the only that's the only way out
[3:37:55] so we don't have a way out either
neither today and that's what I'm saying
[3:37:59] if we waited till 2025 and franks had
that and they said nope and then we did
[3:38:04] that what would happen we wouldn't have
a solar
[3:38:08] form they have a way out I think they've
got the option to keep going from now to
[3:38:13] 2025 right I mean that's they according
to them their plans is to build it out
[3:38:18] there soon what that means I don't I
don't know but well right and I have no
[3:38:23] idea so they I mean so what they talked
about is you know that that they've had
[3:38:28] actual interest from Energy United about
buying the electricity from that from
[3:38:36] that solar facility even
though 27 acres for a solar farm is
[3:38:41] pretty small I
mean from what from what I've been
[3:38:45] hearing they want a lot bigger
properties than that for solar Farms
[3:38:48] anymore but again I don't see why we
can't wait till July if they decide they
[3:38:53] want they already know if you send them
a copy of this and go look guys here's
[3:38:56] the copy this you know I ain't got it
approved from the board yet but this is
[3:39:00] probably what I can get pushed through I
guess that's why you wanting us to
[3:39:04] approve this so you can say my board
approve this but right you could send it
[3:39:09] to them say here's all the things that I
think we can do our managers looked it
[3:39:12] over the board don't want to deal with
it till it's time to come yeah I don't
[3:39:15] even know we got to vote on it this or
you guys got let's just do the common
[3:39:18] consent just let Adam have let them have
it and we'll talk to them later on this
[3:39:22] summer and we've negotiate I mean this
is this is fully negotiated I mean y'all
[3:39:27] seen it they've seen it they know what's
in it right we've been back and forth
[3:39:30] and back and forth and back and forth
and this is like this is what I would
[3:39:33] consider to be a final ready to sign
lease right so you can send that to them
[3:39:38] say here's what the lease would look
like more than likely I mean you know I
[3:39:41] think we can get this in front of the
board when the time comes but they don't
[3:39:44] want to they don't want to do it now
they don't want to do anything till the
[3:39:48] time comes to okay I agree with that
right so you know again I
[3:39:55] guess is there room to have a
conversation about if you want to now
[3:39:59] give up on something you got something
okay
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[3:40:08] um I
mean I guess we can do
[3:40:12] that see what do a close s on property
or something legal or something add a
[3:40:18] legal I mean I can just ask like like to
talk what I just said back there a
[3:40:23] little bit we're going back there anyway
for
[3:40:25] personnel I had a legal to close session
attorney client
[3:40:31] the okay Mr chairman I make a motion
that we had amend the agenda amend the
[3:40:36] agenda
than all in favor any oppose okay do
[3:40:41] youall have anything or yall good no
okay all right so enough on that
[3:40:48] umon home I'm looking
here okay discussion of home uh yeah
[3:40:57] Consortium board of directors all
remember we joined this um I think it's
[3:41:02] called the
uh Eastern peont housing Consortium
[3:41:08] through through uh U ptrc last spring
you know they came and talked to us
[3:41:13] about joining with Burlington being the
head of the group all this item is
[3:41:16] essentially doing is as a five count
region is asking for two members to join
[3:41:19] this board it can be a citizen it can be
a county staff person a municipal person
[3:41:24] non-government members um Jason's been
kind of the for right now they had a
[3:41:29] meeting recently with some of them and
he kind of Def facto set in he and I
[3:41:33] don't mind doing it however you want to
do it I just want to bring we need to se
[3:41:36] this with two people you getting any
benefits from it Jason yeah the home
[3:41:40] Consortium what that is that's the home
investment partnership program I think
[3:41:44] is what it's called the official term um
that's monies that sent directly from
[3:41:49] HUD in the old days this was all run
through the city of Greensboro um and
[3:41:54] Burlington in their population growth
they've got into where they can actually
[3:41:59] start their own Consortium so everything
runs through the city of Burlington this
[3:42:03] is for uh lowincome housing um um
homeless things like that um they are
[3:42:12] doing when I worked with it before it
was specifically individual homeowners
[3:42:18] now they're looking into bigger things
like group housing uh things for
[3:42:22] homeless veterans that kind of stuff as
well as um elderly disabled you know
[3:42:29] lowincome folks that are and what they
defined by that is depending on your
[3:42:33] your metropolitan area uh which here
would be Winston Salem it's 80% of that
[3:42:39] that household income so probably
somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000
[3:42:43] household income qualifies for it
um it can be done a number of ways it
[3:42:48] can be set up as a grant they can be set
up as a loan uh where that all runs
[3:42:54] through it would run through the city of
Burlington's books so to speak um they
[3:42:58] would between partnering with ptrc they
would have to record Deeds of trust in
[3:43:02] Davidson County that kind of thing but
yeah I think there is benefit to it um
[3:43:07] and the purpose of the board of
directors is to help identify potential
[3:43:12] projects in those areas I know the city
of Thomasville was part of this
[3:43:17] Lexington did not get on board in time
um they may end up being a partner in it
[3:43:23] at some point uh but there was a real
tight window to get all this organized
[3:43:27] and they my understanding is they did
not get on yet but I'm sure they're
[3:43:31] going to want to do that at some point
CIA Thomasville is on it so they would
[3:43:35] have their my understanding from Michael
Blair um they would have their own folks
[3:43:39] that are that that would be nominated on
there by their city council um and then
[3:43:44] here
like like Casey said it can be anybody
[3:43:48] you know it can be a commissioner it can
be us um a lot of places will put their
[3:43:54] public housing authority people on it uh
and things like that so or if you got a
[3:43:58] nonprofit to that you can appoint to it
have we got money out of it or that I
[3:44:05] don't know the dollar amounts yet U
that's part of what'll come in and I
[3:44:09] think it's I think it's going to be
about $2 million now how they divvy that
[3:44:13] out between jur itions
that's first project you got to have a
[3:44:18] project in your county and then they'll
come to you and say we've identified
[3:44:21] this project the matches you work
through because it you know the matches
[3:44:25] get covered sometimes other ways where
the local jurisdiction don't have to put
[3:44:28] anything yeah there's no the we wouldn't
have to put any we had that project
[3:44:31] identified yet um but yeah how they
divvy the funds out um that's going to
[3:44:36] be part of that first rule first uh
board of directors start to develop that
[3:44:41] how the the funds are going to be
distributed so having every every body
[3:44:45] have equal voice on there is
important I a having that
[3:44:51] um H folks on there' be a good person to
put on there I don't know about the
[3:44:58] other but there it says in there that
they're going to um head this thing up
[3:45:05] guide the Consortium so they somebody
needs to know what they're doing in
[3:45:09] there I would think commiss mccl can you
be a little more specific on who you
[3:45:13] talking about the are I don't know who
those are I guess just some folks that
[3:45:18] works with the HUD over here on the
board is that who
[3:45:21] you um and I I know him but I don't
think he's worked as with us on the
[3:45:28] board okay he's somebody local yeah okay
yeah he's been he been very active in in
[3:45:35] the home industry and trying to uh
further that with the organization here
[3:45:40] L uh low heal that guy that me and you
talked to out there at the um
[3:45:46] oh you know the the the younger guy the
dark-headed guy we stood out there and
[3:45:51] talked to at the uh card I've got it at
home County city day or whatever it was
[3:45:57] in Thomasville state of the County uh oh
um gosh what was his name I remember who
[3:46:04] you're talking about cuz the three of us
spoke we talked to him that day in the
[3:46:07] parking lot he would be
good that yeah cuz he was tied in with
[3:46:12] veterans group too that would be a
perfect person to put on
[3:46:15] so why don't y'all for now do your thing
and go try to reach that person whatever
[3:46:21] his name is I I may have his card still
at home somewhere Jason yeah I may still
[3:46:25] have it too I at home I'll look that's
one Mr M commissioner MCL if you can let
[3:46:31] us you remember the gentleman's name
I'll get it okay let us know that be
[3:46:35] first name Jeff I just can't pull his
name out okay that'd be two right there
[3:46:39] I I'll get it okay well we can handle it
till we get these two guys CU they may
[3:46:43] say we can't I can't do motion or just
cons no just we'll call and find out
[3:46:48] Community Development this is stuff I'm
very familiar with so I mean I'm more
[3:46:52] than happy to go and and and see what
the deal is and then if it looks like
[3:46:56] it's something that ain't going to be
it's kind of I hate to say it like the
[3:46:59] npos that some of us are a member of
Davidson County hardly never gets
[3:47:03] nothing it's just nothing yeah the way
and the way the old Consortium was with
[3:47:08] Greensboro the the way they divvied the
funds up it caused a lot of heartburn
[3:47:12] with people um so if it get begins to be
something like that we need to not waste
[3:47:16] our people's time and just roll on you
know just off the surface of how he
[3:47:20] explained they're they're going to be
doing this it makes a lot more sense so
[3:47:25] than the way greensbor did it all right
so I'm hopeful all right uh approval of
[3:47:30] amendment to purchase and sell agreement
with
[3:47:33] step lot five the PSA for lot five the
gentleman one's out there at the
[3:47:38] business park we need to push that back
they're just now getting the PSA signed
[3:47:41] and brought to us so you can see the new
closing date would be um no later than
[3:47:46] the end of this month actually and I can
update Casey on that too I we're looking
[3:47:51] at a closing date of next week okay most
likely the gentleman is trying to get
[3:47:56] here uh into the country to be able to
to do that I mean as far as I'm
[3:47:59] concerned do you need a motion for that
one yeah I think just so that we can
[3:48:04] line that up I'd make a motion that we
uh give them permission to do this
[3:48:09] purchase sale agreement till
1231 2024 second that's to the end of
[3:48:15] the year and that way the end of the
year that way it ain't got to
[3:48:19] comeback all in favor any opposed we
then can't we answer yeah nothing
[3:48:27] happens uh hopefully y'all have it I
just all right uh DSS social work uh pay
[3:48:34] discussion yes sir um one more quick
come on up Trish this is Trish even
[3:48:41] though I think this is very relatively
clear what you see this is something I
[3:48:44] ask Casey to look into here me and Karen
did just uh you know y'all know we've
[3:48:50] really struggling with employees with
DSS
[3:48:58] and my stomach's going to gurgle in a
minute uh oh 12 it's
[3:49:04] 12:35 you sit under that fake clock back
[3:49:12] there you hit the nail on the the head
Mr chairman struggling with employees
[3:49:17] retention in child welfare and
permanency planning so one of the
[3:49:20] reasons why you know we were talking
about the partners deal earlier getting
[3:49:24] some help in those areas what you got
here is those jobs to the left those
[3:49:28] types of jobs that are in those areas
what we pay now on minimums um and to
[3:49:34] the right you can see your competitors
Tim's colored in green every job in that
[3:49:39] column who's the best far as the mimo
and you can see Rowan is as we've all
[3:49:44] known in this room for quite some time
very aggressive on starting pays for
[3:49:48] these jobs if you would like to join our
number to their number if you go down to
[3:49:54] the bottom it's essentially
moving
[3:49:59] 8% and then the people in the jobs what
you know you'd obviously need to move
[3:50:03] some of them too the live bodies Tim has
two options for you if you'd like to
[3:50:06] move them five it cost 26 that counts
reimbursement you got to remember these
[3:50:11] jobs are some of the I hate to say it
this way I don't mean disrespect but
[3:50:15] cheaper jobs to do these types of things
in the county because you get
[3:50:18] reimbursement from the government option
two is if you want to keep that spread
[3:50:22] of the existing employees at the same
percentage eight it UPS at to 269 so
[3:50:27] that's basically what you have before
you here is the you can see your vacancy
[3:50:32] rates it has moved up another 10 points
you see in 2022 Tim didn't get them
[3:50:36] refreshed because we brought this before
you guys before you see with your eyes
[3:50:39] going across the bottom there a lot of
people at 30% 40% Etc
[3:50:45] we were at 27 back in 2022 we've moved
up another 10 points to 37 Mr chairman
[3:50:51] and Madame uh commissioner I'm going to
agree with what y'all do y'all are on
[3:50:56] this board and I know y'all have dealt
with a big bunch of problems right here
[3:51:00] so whatever y'all feel good with I agree
with they're just not getting any better
[3:51:05] yeah they're just not getting any better
so Trish it'll make it'll bring one
[3:51:10] we'll start at top
41365 it'll bring that one to 44
[3:51:15] 464 so actually about 5 600 bucks more
than Rowan
[3:51:20] okay um so you've looked at these
numbers I have Tim Tim and I looked at
[3:51:26] these numbers um I feel like this will
be a good start I know though as soon as
[3:51:32] you do this I mean Rowan's already
questioning us about our pay so it's a
[3:51:38] continual thing because we're all
struggling you know I've said this
[3:51:41] before everybody's we're stealing from
each other because the pool is small
[3:51:46] what I think this will do is allow us to
get some experience because we're now
[3:51:52] paying at least what the really close
ones are paying and we're struggling to
[3:52:00] get that experience and that's what's
killing us because it's taking three and
[3:52:04] six months to get everybody through
pre-service I just had a young lady that
[3:52:10] started she was ready to finish free
service she broke her foot but and now
[3:52:15] we're looking at January you know
something happens life happens and then
[3:52:20] it just delays so we're in a constant
battle with that and then add the
[3:52:25] increased complexity of cases we need
some folks with experience I think this
[3:52:29] will push us up there and be able to say
hey we're a good paay and coming in the
[3:52:35] door that will help and then our
existing staff to give them an extra
[3:52:38] boost because they've been here with us
so we we think this is I don't know if
[3:52:44] it will the end all but we've done some
other things like add some of the
[3:52:48] assistant positions this um uh daymart
position that we're hopefully going to
[3:52:54] have rolled out I think when we start
building all these things together we
[3:52:59] start building a package that will help
well then you can't say anymore that
[3:53:03] everybody else is paying more money than
we are cuz they're not that's right you
[3:53:07] know I mean I've heard I've heard that
for a couple years well foresight's pay
[3:53:11] in and guilford's paying with mve up huh
they just the other counties are just
[3:53:16] moov well that's true but I I don't know
that they react that fast they may but
[3:53:21] you know and again I don't know that
this is going to be a big drawing card
[3:53:24] other than keeping the employees we got
happy you know yeah well I do think when
[3:53:29] you can post you know when if somebody's
just looking at just raw numbers and
[3:53:34] they see the well it's not going to hurt
yeah I I agree with that but again you
[3:53:40] know and it it keeps your employees
that's here going well you know I can go
[3:53:44] over there make another four grand a
year they don't understand it cost them
[3:53:48] that much probably to drive that far
whatever but Mr chairman if I may we
[3:53:52] have sit here countless times and listen
to tration and and I'm I'm I'm not being
[3:53:58] disrespectful we've heard and Hur this
is a problem we're not going to be able
[3:54:03] to fix I don't think unless we do this
and I would like to make a motion that
[3:54:06] we give with option
two okay second that I have a motion and
[3:54:11] a second all in favor I any osed good
luck Trish thank you so what he saying
[3:54:18] there Trish he don't want to see you
back up here for that didn't Den nice
[3:54:22] that's not that's not what I said I'm
not a liar so I'm not your promis that's
[3:54:26] not what I said you know me Trish that's
not what I
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[4:43:31] to return in CL from Clos session motion
we have a second second all in favor I
[4:43:36] any opposed Mr attorney could you please
give us a brief update yes we had a um
[4:43:41] closed session and we discussed one
Personnel issue and one real estate
[4:43:46] issue and staff were given instructions
on um on both matters that's
[4:43:51] it close session