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It's 9 o'clock. Good morning, everyone. It is 9 o'clock. We would like to get started on time. Thank you all for being here. At this time, I will call

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Jamie Gatti to the podium for our invocation.

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Let us pray. Other once again, we just bow before you and just say, thank you for the opportunity to be here this morning.

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others, you know, we are gathered here to conduct the business for the upcoming year.

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Whether I'll just pray that you'll be with each and every one of the speakers, may hear

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she have your speech with understanding whether I prayed for the commissioners and other

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leaders, Lord, just be with them, allowing them the discernment and understanding of what's

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being presented. I want to thank you for the many blessings that you stole upon David

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County and its citizens and Father. I just pray that you'll be with each and every one of

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us in the upcoming few days. Lord, I just pray that your protection for each and every one

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of us as no matter what comes our way, we know that we'll be in your hands.

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It's all

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Thank you, Jamie, for that.

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I would like to call Derek Waldo to the podium to lead us

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in our pledge of allegiance.

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Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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And to the flag of which the saying is,

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one nation under the flag of the New North Pole,

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the liberty of justice for all.

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Thank you, Derek.

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At this time, I will look to Mr. Vogler

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for our ethics and conflicts disclosure.

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Madam Chair, I noticed

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that the agenda I have in front of me does not have any voting elements to it.

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Therefore, we can waive the complex disclosure.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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So now it is time for us to adopt our agenda, which is the schedule of the department presentations.

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Do I have a motion to approve?

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Second.

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Second.

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All in favor.

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All right.

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All right, Mr. Barnett.

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Thank you very much.

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You get us started.

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All right, thank you Madam Chair.

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Day, we have a good along amount of presentations.

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Everything is up here on the podium.

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So it's nice.

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We don't have to stop and reload.

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So we are going to try to keep this thing moving along.

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We know we have some schedules that we had to be mindful for today.

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What you're going to hear is a preview primarily with the General Fund.

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Of course, Johnny Lambert is going to talk to us about public utilities as well.

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We always give you a little snapshot of what to expect on the health insurance side.

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Each department has a presentation ready to go.

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Brad's going to jump more into the capital improvement in our facility needs.

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We have asked all our departments that have a facility or capital item.

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If you have any questions, they're here to answer any specifics.

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We're going to round out today talking a little bit about fire funding going into the budget

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and then we always like to give you some time for any open discussion of anything.

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that you may want to include or you may have want to elaborate on what you heard today.

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Please keep in mind we did start this off with a set of pre-budget meetings.

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I have provided you some documents this morning.

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One of those does have a breakdown of some notes from those meetings.

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We are early in the budget process. January is somewhat early for us.

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We know we got a long road ahead to get to a final decision in June.

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We did move our education partners to February as part of our work session.

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They typically come present about that for sake of time.

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It'd be easier to do with the end and trying to cram it in today.

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Please be mindful between now and the end of April.

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New items may or changes may occur.

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Things break.

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We get new information so there may be some things that will be slightly different

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about how we get to the end.

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We also know we have several unknowns which typically don't get our health insurance

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increase.

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We typically don't get our retirement increase until late March, early April.

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So we have some placeholders that we play around with, but we don't know what those final

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numbers are going to look like.

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And then I think just as you all know, in your own personal life, everything has a cause.

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So we're not really going to dive deep in the cost today as much, but just know that ultimately

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nothing's cheap anymore. That being said, let's get started and I'll take a

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liberty unless you have a question for me. I think Robbins up next.

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Good morning.

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Good morning. So first this morning we want to talk a little bit about

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revenues. The way we start to build the budget is by reviewing some history and

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looking at trends that we might want to notice. So here is a portion of the

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report that I present to you every month. So this is the revenue section comparing year

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to date December to year to date December last year. And as you can see, the majority

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of the 8.4 million dollars that we have over last year is due to property tax. We have

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some collection percentages. So at the end of December, this fiscal year, our collection

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percentage was 75% versus about 73% last year. And we have updated numbers through January

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the 5th, which was the date before interest starts. That percentage increased to 90% in last

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year at the same time it was about 86.8%. So we'll talk a bit more in detail about sales tax,

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but right here on this slide, this represents the sales tax associated with this fiscal year.

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And, you know, I've been saying for months it's flat, but right now we're looking at about a four to five percent increase over the prior year.

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So, for intergovernmental, what that represents is our interlocal agreements with our towns as well as federal and state grants.

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So, there's some differences in timing of those and just differences in amounts like some grants come up, different amounts or some are there and some are new.

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So we also had just a difference in the payment timing for some of our inter-local agreements

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especially for the Sheriff's Office services.

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So we're monitoring interest rates.

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Right now interest rates are lower than they were at this point last year.

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On one of our main accounts, we're getting 3.75% versus 4.42% on the same month last year.

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So, we're taking a look at that and trying to do our best to project interest.

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And as far as miscellaneous income, that includes our vehicle financing, and we borrowed

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about $270,000 more this fiscal year than we did in the last one.

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Since this is to focus on revenues, I do have the expenditures.

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And, again, a lot of this is just timing of entries and timing of payments.

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it's the general government difference is mostly just due to the timing of of entries for the

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fire fund. So right now at the end of December we have $1.7 million more than we did at that

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same time last fiscal year. Do you all have any questions so far?

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One question. Yes. When we

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the budget back prior to July, the budget at that point was like 93 million and something is the reason it's 95.

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I mean it's going up at because of discovery of some revenues or what.

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Those are the changes in the budget are due to grants that run over a fiscal year.

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So some of our grants especially in health domestic violence those types of agencies don't

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run the same fiscal year as we do.

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So a lot of that is carry over from the prior year and that kind of thing.

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That's the majority of it.

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So moving on, this shows sales and use tax collections from the month of July through November.

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These don't exactly tie to what I have as sales tax because we record some of that sales

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tax has to do with the prior fiscal year, but this just looks at July through November

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for the last four fiscal years. So as you can see, 22, 23 as compared to the previous

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fiscal year was a 14% increase, then we went to an 8% increase. Then last fiscal year

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in those five months, it was pretty flat, just a small, small decrease. But right now what

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But we're looking at from July through November comparing it to last fiscal year is about

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a 4% increase.

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So we're keeping an eye on that to see if there's going to be more increases, or if we still

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want a budget flat for that.

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I know we've been very conservative in our budgeting for sales tax.

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Do you have any questions about that?

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Not about that particularly, but the revenues over expenses, 1.7 million.

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If we extrapolate that out, then are you projecting, and I know we're halfway in now, basically,

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are you projecting fund balance?

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I mean, we were flat in terms of what we said, we were going to put in fund balance, but

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But we're over here at 1.7 million, so.

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And that's not really unusual this time of year.

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You start to get a little bit better picture in January, go on on.

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I don't want to say it's still too soon to tell, but 1.7 is probably not where we're going

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to end up.

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Well, the reason I asked the question is, unfortunately, for our taxpayers, many of them, they

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We saw a major increase in their tax bills.

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So the issue of the amount of revenue that comes in in property taxes would indicate to

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me that we should have some level of, because I don't think we budgeted to spend everything

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we bring.

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Is that makes sense to you that there should be some movement in terms of fund balance just

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don't that alone because it was significant.

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Yes, but the way that we had budgeted fund balance, the fund balance appropriated, which

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was the difference between the revenues and expenditures, was we tried to be pretty close

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to where we were in prior fiscal years, so we were trying to be close to where we were

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knowing that you know the closer that we budget revenues and expenditures the

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less there would be left to put in fun ballots. Well I would like to hear

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something I would like to see before our February meeting. I'd like to look at

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a historical trend of fourth quarter spending and see what what is a percentage of

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budget and a raw dollar figure, what is spent historically in that quarter leading up to

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year end?

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I don't want a terrible line item. I would like to know what we're spending

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on, how much historically we spend and just kind of see what that looks like.

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Do you want it like group like salaries and other operating a capital?

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Capital, yeah salaries if you can do you want to go? I would think three, four, five years. Yeah

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Okay, yeah, we certainly can do that now keep in mind we do have a spending cutoff that we usually have been set in the

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past couple of fiscal years in mid-April

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Yeah, I mean that's trying to kind of necessary to do not that all spending stops because you know

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You still have things you've got to pay for say yeah well there's there's there's a difference in necessity and and

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Spending to spend because we have money left in our line item. You know, I just like to see it. Sure, we can get that for you. No problem. Mm-hmm. Like just say again on the thing that Robin was explaining and I don't miss explaining anything. The 90, you know, where we have some grant money carryover. For the good of the commissioners. I'm not a counter thank goodness. I got one here to my right.

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and y'all, but I'm trying to wrap my head around when we do a budget we make

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revenues and expenditures equal. I'm not that's always been the case. Right? Right? So

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that being said, if we started out and what we budgeted that we want to spend was

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ninety three three or whatever and then now we're at ninety five three because of

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grant funds or whatever rolling forward then why not from a balancing a budget

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standpoint but why would it be incumbent upon us now if we really only needed

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to spend ninety three to then spend ninety five if we budget it for ninety three

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in expenditure, not from a balancing standpoint, but I'm just trying to follow that.

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I don't think we would spend 95 necessarily. I mean, if just as the math went through,

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I mean, and to that set of facts, we would have something coming back to fund balance to the,

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I think, the overarching point here. So, but we budgeted to spend 93, we'll spend 93,

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enhance our safety program that we're trying to implement here in the

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county. Other than that, don't have anything else in county

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managers all. Any questions? Any questions? Comments. The AI, what would it, what

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would it be doing, would it be forecasting, or what exactly, or is it, of course, on

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everybody's phone, or some app that you have downloaded and you probably didn't

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read the fine print and that app basically gives companies like Pacer AI the

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ability to track you and so if I know in a lot of our conversations about let's

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just say concerts you know hey how many people are our concerts reach in a

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wider audience in Davie County we'd be able to know that funny thing is they the

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technology is there and it's on right now so even even as we were demonstrating

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and getting demos from this company,

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they were pulling up events at the senior center,

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they were pulling up events at the library.

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So we had events, people came as far as carry,

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we had people from South Carolina coming to events.

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It just allows us an opportunity to see

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what kind of real impact.

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And it's in your phone.

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We all probably have some app that allows them that ability.

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What kind of cost would this?

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it is a population cost. I have to get it again from the rep. This was, we love it when we

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love when we get demos in August and we're like, we just put a budget together. We're not

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going to add anything new so I'd have to go back and get those numbers but I can get it to you.

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But it would be whether you put it in the Mander's office or where you split it up between our

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departments that have programs, it's based on our population.

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I mean I guess it's okay to have

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that knowledge but it's not really going to change how we do things so if it's a tremendous

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amount of money I don't see why it would really be necessary because whoever's going

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to come is going to come but that cost wouldn't be a huge decision maker for me right

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well

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and there again that the cost of the program didn't override what that benefit would be so

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Okay,

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Ed, I'll drive it for you if you want.

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Next slide, I think that speaks for everything, there's no changes here.

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The only thing that we have, there has been a mandate change there at the end that deals

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with court costs having been paid through the E-court system now and we've talked to finance

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on that as far as how to allocate that between whatever department that is such as if I'm filing

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something on behalf of environmental health then environmental health it'll be budgeted back

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to that department as far as the court calls not the legal fees and I'll but just as far as court

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calls itself but that's something that the e-court system has driven not us.

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It depends whether you

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I want to go back to a statement that you just made, Cindy.

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Okay.

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I would like to see the last five years how much money in the revenue that you just

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talked about that goes to the Chamber of Commerce.

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I mean, just be the raw dollars that were sent to them.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions or comments for Ed?

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Thank you, Ed.

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Although it's me again, I'll be much safer than I was before.

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I don't anticipate any major changes in the finance department budget at this time.

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I don't have any additional requests, no capital, and no mandate changes that I know

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of right now.

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Thank you, Robin.

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And I'm back again.

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Okay.

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Unfortunately, unlike Robin and Ed, how I got to that one, one I expected to see.

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We do have a statute change that came up this fiscal year with background checks for

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people who work with children. Unfortunately, I expect our line item, which is not a huge

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line item, but it is going to affect that budget line item about double it. Let me go

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back to the previous slides. Sorry about that. I wanted to just mention briefly the achievements

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that we've had over this past year with the Health Fair, Restaurant, and Ice Cream vouchers,

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the years of service awards program, and the holiday luncheon, you know, employs seem to

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We really appreciate that we get lots of compliments as well as comments on that so we hope to keep continuing offering those things in the future.

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We would love to do more things but we know that there's a budget to keep in mind so we won't be requesting an additional staff member, but

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just know that we won't be able to achieve other great things because we don't have the additional help.

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I really just want to thank you all for what you do, thank you for the budget that you have given us in the past and ask for a slight increase in that budget.

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We do spend it as freely as we possibly can.

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So, thank you.

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So, we're going to move Tony to this afternoon.

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There's a project underway this morning that he needed to be part of.

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Ms. Colling.

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All

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right. Good morning.

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For cooperative extension, we have no anticipated changes for the upcoming year.

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That's all I have if you have any questions.

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Colling, thank you so much for what you do. We really appreciate it.

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You're one of our silent heroes.

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You just go about your business and do your job and do it very well.

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We enjoy the work we do and we thank you all for your support

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or in being able to do it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And please excuse me, I have to head to the senior expert.

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Yes ma'am.

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Alyssa, thanks

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for having me this morning.

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I do want to let you know that our voting equipment,

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the internal batteries are due to be replaced.

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There's one, the five year that's supposed to be replaced

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this year and then the eight year should be replaced in 2028.

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But they're suggesting we do it in 2027.

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So, they're going to do it or could do it doing our yearly maintenance, batteries you would think would be pretty inexpensive.

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But this is large.

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Have any questions?

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How large?

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Yeah. We have a price tag of $34,346.

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And that's all I have? Any other questions?

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That's for total batteries.

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That's for all the batteries.

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34,346 dollars. I wanted to make you aware of that. But that's all I have.

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Question. I mean, I know you didn't say it but any statutory changes that you see might create an unintended expense.

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So one thing that we do want to keep in mind is we only have three days now to investigate provisional ballots.

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Each provisional ballot probably takes around 20 minutes, about 20 minutes.

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We had 360 in the last election.

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There's no way we're going to get those in three days.

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Leslie and I worked from the day after election through the weekend until that Wednesday getting

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all the provisional's investigated.

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There could be some expense to bring in other people to help them at a high level we're looking

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at.

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And lastly, something that I've dreamed about since coming here and visiting downtown is

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looking at a potential winter fast, a partnership between us and the town of Mosley.

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To look at, to introduce the annual four corners, four countries, winter and snow tubing festival,

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That the more I keep talking about it and the more we talk to folks about what that looked like, the more excitement they have on their face.

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To celebrate different countries each year within the four corners of here and having us know to the event again, more of a partnership looking at budgets at a high level and seeing what is that option.

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and then could we roll something out as early as January 5th, 2027?

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Next, first and last request.

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So first, a renewed request, grants and sponsorship manager.

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Our comprehensive master plan calls for a grants and sponsorship manager

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or a business manager that functions as taking applications

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from state, local, federal grant opportunities,

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applying for those receiving those managing those funds but also appropriating

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those funds acquiring at a high-level tiered park and event sponsorship system.

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It's in our comprehensive plan. We've done the the mock-up of the job

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description had it graded and it's a goal for 4.1 within our comprehensive

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master plan. This will give us the opportunity to take the time that it takes

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or what we're currently working on with sponsorship opportunities places in

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that are one person so that they can go out and truly elicit not just here in

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David County, but outside of this David County, outside of David County to look

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at partnership and sponsorship opportunities for us as well as those state

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and federal dollars that we send to the federal government to the state government

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and bring those back to David County, which we've done a good job but we can do

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even better. I believe this request. Paul, quick question. And this would be for the commissioners to,

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I mean complete agreement with you on that. The one thing that I would just ask if it might be

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possible. If that type of position could be, we have the Ag Center that we're trying to, we're trying

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to raise up and they're going to have a need for the same thing, marketing and searching

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out of grants.

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So I would just lay this out as an idea for us in that we might, in some way, you mentioned

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the word creative, think about how we might combine that, those two organizations in some way,

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shape, or form, because even though you may even have the senior center that has some level

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of marketing, those kind of things, definitely the Ag Center and your department I think would

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be kind of appropriate for maybe a combined position which would help with the budgeting

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of that position.

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Absolutely.

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Just as we visited the Randolph County Complex last week again to see what it looked like.

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The vision really starts swirling, especially for an outdoor arena, not only for AgVents, AgTourism

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events, but things that are outside of that realm, events that could be under covered

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arena are extraordinary. I've met up with a major CEO in Forsyth County. It was very

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interested and I can say that he's one of the proprietors of the PDR of creating that organization

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from the ground up and very interested in at least taking a look and the totem and the

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appropriate time will do that but I think this is where that position this is someone who

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You can take that skill set and use it for the betterment of our organization, not just

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our agency but our entire organization, so absolutely something we can take a look at.

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For the new recreation specialist, efficiency safety and production, because of new additions

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and events such as as a new gate and operations and taking gate, extending our operational

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fishing, but also something that Derek will mention with dual staffing is vital for the

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safety and security of our facility as well as our personnel. It's so important. We've

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been working on that for the last year and a half, and we have stretched as far as we

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have could possibly go to try and make sure that we have dual staffing. And because with

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the number of people that come in.

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We have any number of rentals, general public,

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exclusive rentals, splash pad during the season.

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It is a lot for just one person to look at.

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So we try to dual up whether it's two part times,

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a part time and a full time to go back and forth

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because we want to make sure that even our full time

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are covering some of those hours in the evening

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that are possible. Developing our young adults in the parking

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recreation industry is a challenge, but the experience, the soft skills and

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leadership that our recreation specialists get are unmatched. Our EDUC operates

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75 hours a week, 3,825 hours annually or 90 percent of the year.

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Perspective average business operates 40 to 45 hours a week between

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between 2,040 and 2,295 hours annually, so that just kind of puts that in perspective.

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Oh, hold on a second.

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I'm not going forward.

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Oh, well,

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there we go.

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My bad.

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There we go.

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Okay.

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We're guys, the capital requests.

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So first, recurring capital.

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I want to thank each one of you for staying committed to providing us with a recurring capital

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outlay.

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We have a solid rubric that our team and our advisor board work to prioritize every year.

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And we have put together some great projects, for example, the added gym bleachers, the

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new splash pad feature, dog park agility equipment, ball field scoreboard and stadium LED sign.

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We make use of those dollars and there's something else that's coming up as well that we'll

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go back to this capital outlay.

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second is the master plan capital a lot of impact here so going back to this

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master plan there was adopted on April 1st 2024 it serves as a central

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tool for providing our agency and our organization with a breakdown and

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priority for capital improvements one of those one of those major priorities for

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capital improvement plan is land acquisition for a northern district part now I

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was in year two 2026 so this current fiscal year that we end wasn't able to

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happen, but I wanted to bring it back up. Land acquisition or conservation of land

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is a major priority goal for our future park system and maintaining a part of our rural

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heritage. The area of land acquisition focuses in the northern district because it's the backbone

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of where we need to start. Those areas include the advance per metre run, parmatine, smith

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grove area. So, again, that is important that we look at the land acquisition because as commerce

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keeps coming down as we're a suburb outside of Winston-Salem. It's going to keep coming and if we

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don't find the land soon it may be out of reach in the next five to ten years. Next one. A very

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interesting project. Our company's a master plan calls for an outdoor batting cage project. However,

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after looking or indoor batting cage project, after looking at the cost, extraordinary cost that would

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would call for. It led our team to explore an outdoor batting cages option with a potential

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grant funding sources and tying a project together with an ADA resolution and enhancement

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project. I'm so sorry. I gotta lay out that thing.

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Yes. Put them in your pocket.

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Alright, let's try this again.

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This ties in again a potential, another project that you'll hear from General Services

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Director Blackwalder.

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In brief, we have applied for two grants, North Carolina Ampeter Sports Grant at $10,000

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and applying for a David Community Foundation Grant for $15,000 to help cover matching

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portion of the batting cage equipment at cost. The advisory board has ranked this

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capital outlay project right now. It sits number two with number one getting

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ready to be completed. This project is likely to go to number one in our

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capital project. So we have the matching funds to have skin in the game that allow

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both these grants to say, hey, they've got a matching portion. This is a great

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project that can enhance their park system and their quality of life.

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Next, also in the conference and master plans of feasibility study, water adventures.

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Very interesting, so community feedback is consistently illuminated a sentiment for aquatic

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facilities as evidence in the 2014 comprehensive update.

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While a splash pad was specifically solid after and the 2017 needs assessment, both the 2013

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plan and our most recent plan seems to suggest that that sentiment is still a shared vision

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in our community.

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So our competence master plan noted that and the types of aquatic facilities can vary across

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the state.

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I want to stress that. However, it is important to capture the community's niche for an aquatic

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adventure in relation to the goal of developing our destination parks.

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A proposed feasibility study at $20,000 would give our organization a focus on number

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one, what our community truly desires in an aquatic facility, number two, how those

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concepts may be developed as one of our future destination parks.

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And then last but not least, I want to interrupt you just a second.

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I don't know where you're going with this Davey Youth Complex parking improvements, but in your batting cages.

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Yes sir.

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Many calls I get.

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And I've attempted to call your department.

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The citizens of Davey County are not getting access to the baseball, to the softball baseball field.

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and I'm going to assume to the batting cages because a local entity locks up the community

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field for a large portion of the year.

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And I have been part of making calls to you guys.

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And so I'm going to pay close attention to this because it's not fair to the taxpayers

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of Davey County not to be able to utilize that field.

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And you know what I'm talking about.

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And I'm just going to tell you, I'm going to be vocal about this.

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We, the taxpayers voted in a bond to fund that facility and they vote with their, and they,

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they utilize tax dollars to be able to access the whole facility.

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And so I'm not asking for unreasonableness, I'm asking for a reasonableness about people

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that want to get on those fields that cannot.

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Not everyone in this county has the dollar, the cash flow, to lock fields up for three

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or four or five months or really, honestly, it's basically the whole year.

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And we're going to have to have discussion about that.

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So I'm just going to stop right now but I'll let you go ahead.

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but I've called and there is no flexibility and that's what that bothers me a

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little bit and I don't want to see these batting cages just taken and the

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people of the community not be able to utilize them whether they're indoors or

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they're outdoors okay thank you I would I would suggest Mr. Jones that you head of

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that entity and I get together within the month to talk about this to talk about what

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are the options as opposed to where we operate as a business because you are you I will

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say this and I will say this aloud and publicly you're at a disadvantage you are at a disadvantage

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and it's where as the other entity is not because of the cash flow.

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The problem, the problem, Paul, is that the taxpayers of Davey County expect you to

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control that field.

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They should not have to call whoever it might be that has absolutely nothing to do with

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the administration of the Davey County, the Davey County Community Park to figure out

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But if they can use a baseball field or not, and you're in charge of it, we don't just

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give that power over to someone else and I'm going to be up front with you.

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It's not just David Community Park, it's Rich Park, and it is becoming a problem and it

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It needs to be dealt with an address, and yes, I'm fine with having a meeting.

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But honestly, you, you administer the Davey County community part, not a third party.

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And I think it might be a policy that needs to be written.

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If it needs to be that, I'm okay with that.

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But yeah, I understand the disadvantage, also understand the business side of that.

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We're looking at from a business standpoint, but also see your point.

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So it's something that we can look at.

445
00:42:04,340 --> 00:42:08,000
Well, I understand that you're looking at it from a business standpoint, Paul.

446
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,580
But if they have so much money that they can monopolize your park, then maybe they need

447
00:42:12,580 --> 00:42:17,480
to build their own facility so that our tax payers who are paying for your park can utilize

448
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,340
your facility.

449
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:30,400
I mean, maybe there does need to be a limit to what they can do or something like that because the tax payers are funding this park from the beginning.

450
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,200
Understand that. Understand that very well.

451
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,200
Well, maybe an opportunity for this next piece I'm talking about. You see what's coming up, right?

452
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:49,600
So, parking improvements. So, we not only looked at just our part. We also looked at other facilities that are county owned,

453
00:42:50,380 --> 00:43:01,320
which is the Dave Youth Complex. Explore those facilities, which was made possible by the Land Water Conservation Fund.

454
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:07,720
With recreational perpetuity in place by OWC, if the importance of the complex isn't just for the ball player.

455
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:12,800
It also has recreational impacts, expansion and enhancement opportunities for the greater

456
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,280
Navy community to utilize.

457
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:19,740
One of those opportunities involves an ADA parking lot expansion at the youth complex.

458
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,460
While the recreation infrastructure is important, so is accessibility within that complex in

459
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:30,760
order for the greater community to take part and discover and recreate and enjoy both the

460
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,180
ball field and other leisurely quality of life activity.

461
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:40,780
So, again, we own the county owns this complex, so that's something that we can also take a look at and understand

462
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:45,720
while we own that, it is administered and operated through a third party.

463
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:53,850
As far as mandates, I don't see, there's no forecasted mandates we're seeing at this time.

464
00:43:54,470 --> 00:44:02,230
However, our local state federal urge support for America's 250th anniversary is an instant nationwide.

465
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:09,790
Finally, I wanted to take this opportunity to brief the board on two projects that are under construction.

466
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:14,040
First being the Canterplay Tree Skate.

467
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,360
I wanted to let you guys know that we are really close to groundbreaking with our

468
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:26,780
In conjunction with our AFP State Contract Agreement, which ends on May 31, 2026.

469
00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:30,800
We have a meeting today at 2.30 to go over final design concept.

470
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,600
review our project budget and form our ground breaking and construction timeline

471
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,420
and air closure impacts to the park. I do anticipate they'll begin between March

472
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:48,220
and May. The caveat to this I wanted to let you know. The caveat to this is our

473
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:53,080
RS consultant is aware and understands that within the first year and a half of

474
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:59,020
our timeline for our state agreement that we had to terminate our contract with

475
00:44:59,020 --> 00:44:59,820
with the original contract.

476
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:06,110
So, there is a possibility to base upon our meeting today. In a couple of weeks, we have

477
00:45:06,110 --> 00:45:10,330
Director's Conference, so I'll be meeting with our RS Consultant as well as the G.S.R.

478
00:45:10,570 --> 00:45:16,730
at that conference. I'll be looking at, is there a need to look at a possible extension,

479
00:45:17,010 --> 00:45:24,710
which I hope to avoid, but based on delivery, manufacturing delivery of the equipment is

480
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:28,670
going to dictate whether we need to ask for a small extension.

481
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:32,490
And again, RS Consultant is aware of that.

482
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:35,290
So right here, you see the sight map.

483
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:37,790
This is in our northern wing of our park.

484
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:41,270
So if you take coming around from on the left side bottom,

485
00:45:41,710 --> 00:45:44,250
right left corner, then around from our dog park,

486
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:49,150
you'll see the dark, previous payment walking around

487
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:51,790
and then connecting with a new tree skate.

488
00:45:51,790 --> 00:46:00,550
and a new boardwalk trail area will be eliminating or demoing a section that is our only outdoor

489
00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:07,550
ADA issue in conjunction with this project and reconnecting with the existing pathway which

490
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:10,090
shows in white and other existing boardwalks.

491
00:46:10,190 --> 00:46:11,590
So, really excited about that.

492
00:46:12,070 --> 00:46:17,310
We also have a military commemoration piece on that that we're excited about.

493
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:23,250
Mr. Bold is helping with that project as we speak.

494
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:29,250
In the last project on time is the Lake Louise Park project.

495
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:32,890
So I'll just give you a quick update on that.

496
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:41,330
RFQs, we receive three SOQs statements pending out of our RFQ records and qualifications.

497
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:45,630
We interviewed three firms, all three were very worthy.

498
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:49,310
On Tuesday, you will see at your

499
00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:52,190
February Board of Commissioner meeting a resolution

500
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:55,930
allowed candidate manager to go into negotiate for that contract.

501
00:46:56,590 --> 00:47:00,410
And from there, that contract timeline doesn't end

502
00:47:00,410 --> 00:47:03,270
until October 31st, 2077.

503
00:47:03,470 --> 00:47:04,330
We got plenty of time.

504
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:08,170
So as you see here, what does this mean?

505
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:14,210
So, once our firm agreement is executed and the county will select a firm, we'll go into

506
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:21,050
the process of making a change request to propose removal of the new entry and parking lot

507
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:24,630
from the development as part of the approved Lake Leaks Park Master Plan.

508
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:29,770
You'll see that proposed 10 space parking lot and the entry coming from 64.

509
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:36,850
Because we received state approval to use an existing access easement into Collin Creek

510
00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:42,930
that accesses the park we can now remove that. From there we'll propose

511
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:46,790
development of recreational elements that are already designated in the

512
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:50,810
approved Lake Louise Park site plan as future proposed elements that are

513
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:55,830
equal and total value to the project cost of the entry and parking lot which is

514
00:47:55,830 --> 00:48:01,910
roughly around $70,000. All of the recreation elements designed designated in

515
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:07,110
the site plan as proposed and in green will be developed by our part of agreement.

516
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:14,370
Particle look at this as a positive or a reasonable request to remove any time you're able

517
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:18,210
to remove gray matter and place a recreation of homeowners they're going to see that as

518
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:24,370
a great possibility and to it's feasible because we're well within our timeline and should

519
00:48:24,810 --> 00:48:31,890
make this project move forward and get completed and have a nice enhancement piece to like

520
00:48:31,890 --> 00:48:32,590
to Louise Park.

521
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:37,100
Change of ideas, any questions?

522
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:40,280
Could you go back to that Lake Louise map?

523
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:46,720
OK, I'm trying to sew the playground that's there now

524
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,440
is in the orange there, where it's in the future.

525
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:51,240
Future, foreign play surface, correct.

526
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,320
That's where both the three to six and six to 12

527
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,060
playgrounds are.

528
00:48:57,860 --> 00:49:01,440
But you're still thinking about putting that interactive sensory

529
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,360
R towards 64 instead of back towards the playground.

530
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:12,080
Interactive sensory art.

531
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,700
That is future. That is future interactive.

532
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,300
So everything in green is what's approved.

533
00:49:17,700 --> 00:49:21,420
Everything in green is what is approved through part of funding.

534
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,520
Or part of funding.

535
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,680
Anything in orange is not.

536
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:29,960
We will be taking a close look because we're eliminating the tenspace parking lot.

537
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:41,040
specific the future gathering space is an eye of an eye that we want to take a close look at.

538
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,700
I won't just feel the beans at this time but I will get with you afterwards and let you know what we're looking on.

539
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:58,580
I would highly recommend that sensory art location not be near 64 because if you're warning people who who need the sensory they do not need to be near 64.

540
00:49:58,580 --> 00:50:01,400
They need to be on the other side of that world.

541
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:02,680
That's safety.

542
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:06,740
Where that location is as far as interactive sensory art is

543
00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:10,980
approximately a little more than a hundred feet.

544
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:14,270
And that is way too close.

545
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:15,470
Way too close.

546
00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:15,810
Yes.

547
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:19,890
It really depends on the type of sensory art.

548
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:24,450
I guess you can have more of the cognitive pieces that can go there

549
00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:29,970
and more of the more of the audible sensory can go toward the playground.

550
00:50:30,550 --> 00:50:34,630
you can mix and match different sensory elements that would be good and that's

551
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:38,690
something. It's a great point. That's something that we can definitely let our

552
00:50:40,210 --> 00:50:46,270
consulting firm know when we move toward the construction. Yeah I've made that

553
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:51,190
back. Are there away from that roadway for sure? I'm really excited for this piece

554
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:58,330
especially with what it was designated for and appropriated with Dr. Edwards and

555
00:50:58,330 --> 00:51:06,410
And Beth Edwards, we're going to keep in sync with the collection and thought and understanding

556
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:12,790
behind why they funded the million and a half dollars of infrastructure that's already

557
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:14,710
there and how we can move forward with it.

558
00:51:15,170 --> 00:51:21,790
Paul, one thing about the sensory art thing, I mean I don't know if it's something it's

559
00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:26,890
going to be fenced in from a safety standpoint or not or if that's part of it, but what

560
00:51:26,890 --> 00:51:33,190
What comes to my mind is that more so than what Bonita brought up is the fact that even

561
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:42,670
if it was Fentstand or something, it's living on a U.S. highway, a hundred feet as well.

562
00:51:43,050 --> 00:51:51,150
A hundred feet the noise issue is what comes to my mind more so than right off the top.

563
00:51:51,150 --> 00:52:01,090
up. Very good point. Very good point. You know the questions? Question on your up anticipated

564
00:52:01,830 --> 00:52:09,260
Northern Davey Park expansion. How many acres are you envisioning for that? I would say

565
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:16,080
for the future for our future park system we are looking at we're looking at properties

566
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:24,240
that are at least 40 plus acres. Again, these are especially destination parks with

567
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:32,780
dollars. That's a coin phrase by Mr. Brawley. You're all in destination places with dollars

568
00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:39,580
in. Absolutely. Your tourism. Tourism parks, not just for tourism, but if you live here.

569
00:52:39,580 --> 00:52:45,080
the opportunity. We have a chance. I'm going to say this. I'll keep saying it.

570
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:55,940
Davey County sits in the unique opportunity that no other county has, and that we

571
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:57,940
don't have a park system developed.

572
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,360
When I talk about what these specialty

573
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,920
parks look like to members of our community, I've been doing this for the last two

574
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,180
two and a half, three years. Just speaking on it. Whether it's middle school

575
00:53:12,180 --> 00:53:18,800
students that come in, our general public, and I talk about the type of park system that

576
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:26,880
we can have here. The glow and the look in their eyes is amazing. Now combine that with

577
00:53:27,690 --> 00:53:34,980
the issues that we're having today with conservation of land. The protection of our rural heritage.

578
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:40,120
This is an opportunity where we can act, we ask, we can potentially act, we ask the land

579
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:47,400
pieces we need protect, large land masses, not just for park use, but for conservation

580
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:58,160
use, whether it's our watersheds, whether it's our economic or our fragile ecosystems, our

581
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,460
animal and plant species, and we have a chance to conserve some of these areas and do something

582
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:06,940
good with it and keep to our rural heritage.

583
00:54:06,940 --> 00:54:13,920
But having these, also having these specialty parks is now people having travel out of state

584
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,000
or four or five hours away to get to some of these special parks.

585
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:24,880
Having, having, having amenities that are, that are similar like what I, one of the parks I talk about

586
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:32,800
is an all things roller park, having them all in one place to be able to experience, explore, learn, grow.

587
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:39,240
who knows we may find them on the next games 10 years 12 years down the road the

588
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:44,720
opportunity to have it here because to develop our system is what excites them

589
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:51,280
and if you live here you get to experience those things where our our

590
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:57,280
specialty part and revenue derived is looking at is looking at tourism that's

591
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,660
where I haven't always been in favor of a resident non-rescent rate but if our

592
00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:05,560
system is developed absolutely because we want to make sure that our

593
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:11,380
residents are gained the most benefit out of having the type of system they

594
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:16,800
will want. And people are excited about it. And even through our assessment and

595
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:23,980
our data the needs assessment and the comprehensive plans from 2013 to 2017 to

596
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:31,500
2024. What's amazing to find is when it comes to cost and how to pay for things

597
00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:37,480
We're a little bit different than what you find in the outcry you're hearing in Davidson

598
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,360
County over the southward complex.

599
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,260
No we're near that.

600
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,160
No we're near that.

601
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:49,540
I can explain that in further detail offline but again you're more excited about what opportunities

602
00:55:49,540 --> 00:55:57,280
we have here and we have a chance to make it our own and it takes the vision, yes these

603
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,980
These are ticketed cost items, but I also understand our place.

604
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:08,980
We have other needs too in this county, and it's up to you as commissioners to take

605
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:15,880
those projects and ideas and visions and put them toward some fruitionable action plan.

606
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:22,220
So you guys have a tough job in doing that, and sometimes I think I'm glad I'm not on

607
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:30,900
on that side of the seat. It takes a lot of fortitude to be able to think about what actually

608
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:35,860
comes next. What are the actual needs? This is one plan that you can look at and focus on

609
00:56:35,860 --> 00:56:40,140
to know that we have a great opportunity. I'm not asking for everything to be done at once

610
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,280
in due time, but our northern district is the focal point.

611
00:56:46,650 --> 00:56:52,350
So Pa, I just wanted to say, first of all, I think we all appreciate your passion, just know that.

612
00:56:53,250 --> 00:57:00,270
But I do want you to consider a couple things because this is how our citizens are going to think about some of these things.

613
00:57:01,330 --> 00:57:11,930
If this place or AI, of course, we need to talk about the cost of that and spending $20,000 on a water adventure feasibility study.

614
00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:21,110
We need to think about that because this year our parents and grandparents are having to pay admission to watch their kids play basketball.

615
00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:25,810
ball. So citizens are really going to take that. They're going to be like, I said, I've

616
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:30,590
got to pay to watch my child play ball, but we're going to spend $20,000 on a study.

617
00:57:31,130 --> 00:57:37,270
So just consider those things as we make these decisions and have these discussions. Okay.

618
00:57:38,790 --> 00:57:40,550
Absolutely. Thank you.

619
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:48,030
I got one of the questions. Just from you as the director of our park system, I know

620
00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:53,450
the last, I think I remember this, but the last time you did a feasibility study, the

621
00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:58,110
number one thing was passive activity or opportunities for that.

622
00:57:58,630 --> 00:58:06,870
You feel like between what we've got at the park, the high school park, the Lake Louise,

623
00:58:07,330 --> 00:58:14,030
the other opportunities are passive activities available for our citizens countywide, or do

624
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:15,350
you still think that's underserved?

625
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:23,990
I think it's underserved. One of the things met from Mr. Rollins a month ago to look at,

626
00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:32,570
I really want to look at developing a Greenway Advisory Committee to look at starting our Greenway

627
00:58:32,570 --> 00:58:39,650
Peace. We have a comprehensive plan for that. When we talk about walking, biking, that is a major

628
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:44,730
piece. Yes, our community residents, yes, still consider that to be passive activities

629
00:58:45,070 --> 00:58:50,670
is to be crucial. On the flip side of that, they also understand they want that active

630
00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:58,670
system that they can recreate and play here locally. So it's a mixture of both. And I think

631
00:58:58,670 --> 00:59:05,310
even with our active system in play, we can continue to build on the passive recreation

632
00:59:05,310 --> 00:59:10,610
creation piece as far as being a connectable, connectable and walkable facility, walkable

633
00:59:10,610 --> 00:59:12,970
biking facility, or county.

634
00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:18,150
So that we got ways to go.

635
00:59:18,550 --> 00:59:23,270
I think we have some ways to go, but I also understand when it comes to greenways and

636
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:33,570
trail work, not cheap, not cheap at all, while we try to use as best much as possible for

637
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:38,050
easements look any utility easements to be able to bring those we're looking at

638
00:59:38,050 --> 00:59:43,930
their our five mile loop from the park coming around back to the park some sections

639
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:50,350
yes a easier pill to swallow than other sections to where you have to deal

640
00:59:50,350 --> 00:59:58,050
with utility railroad oh my goodness it can be quite a daunting task and even

641
00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:58,970
potential

642
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,180
Or easement purchases could be in play there. They're not cheap. However, the vitality and viability

643
01:00:11,180 --> 01:00:17,580
of our community, being a walkable community, an accessible community goes up, which our

644
01:00:17,580 --> 01:00:23,460
businesses look at is where can our employees live or can play half places, both passing

645
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:25,760
active take part in.

646
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,960
Thank you Paul.

647
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:39,860
Megan from Veteran Services.

648
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,600
Good morning.

649
01:00:45,820 --> 01:00:50,000
I tried to balance out quality of life but informing you that I do not

650
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,920
anticipate any changes.

651
01:00:54,100 --> 01:00:58,300
Megan can you tell us really quickly about the

652
01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:02,200
computer center that you were able to set up the grants you received for

653
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:10,100
So we were able to get about $18,000 grant opened up a Veterans Computer Lab in my old

654
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:10,540
office.

655
01:01:10,540 --> 01:01:14,960
I moved into the senior services conference room that was kind of unutilized.

656
01:01:15,580 --> 01:01:20,420
So I have a larger office that gives me more space to meet with veterans who are disabled,

657
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:21,500
maybe wheelchair bound.

658
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,720
And then in the Veterans Computer Lab, there's three computers set up for them.

659
01:01:25,980 --> 01:01:30,140
So they can come in free to utilize at any time during the day that I'm there.

660
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:33,660
or just do whatever they need to do on those computers.

661
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,100
And is it up and everything's up and going?

662
01:01:36,260 --> 01:01:36,420
It is.

663
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:37,120
Yeah.

664
01:01:37,380 --> 01:01:37,920
It all happened.

665
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,300
I think the week after new years, we're up and going.

666
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:43,280
That's awesome.

667
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:43,560
Yeah.

668
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,560
I think I have it.

669
01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:47,180
Anybody having questions or comments from Megan?

670
01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:49,660
Thank you.

671
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:50,320
Thank you.

672
01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:51,820
And thank you for everything you do.

673
01:01:52,020 --> 01:01:52,480
Thank you.

674
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:54,520
Okay.

675
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,720
Brad, before you come up, I think we're going to take like a five-minute break if that's

676
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,640
okay all right we'll

677
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:09,500
be right back let

678
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,580
Brad get started on his presentation

679
01:03:56,580 --> 01:04:00,520
all right Brad go ahead thank you so much thank you all board for letting us

680
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,120
come in this morning and talk to you they'll come and budget I'm going to take

681
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,720
as much time or as little time as you like discuss these projects in our

682
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:13,100
department first slide we'll get into is strictly general services departmental

683
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:19,860
impacts. Trying to forecast the upcoming budget year, this early looking at utilities,

684
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,180
our service contracts that we have awarded technology we pay for, anticipate the increase

685
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:32,340
of $60,000 there across those fields, just based on percentage increases, you know, water

686
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:38,680
rate increases, power charges. So that's a $60,000 increase just straight to the operational

687
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,000
budget for general services. Then we're also looking into requests a new maintenance

688
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:48,840
tech position to be dedicated strictly for the detention center. The detention center holds

689
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:57,440
workload, the high work order location, 82% of our labor hours for that zone and that

690
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:03,800
individualist currently out there takes place at the detention center. So our departments

691
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,100
It's broken into five different zones per text.

692
01:05:07,380 --> 01:05:10,360
Each tech has roughly 100,000 square feet

693
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,520
to manage that one tech that has the tension in their zone.

694
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,640
That's where that 82% is.

695
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:19,860
We spend that much time at the detention center work orders.

696
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:24,000
It also includes our after hours.

697
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,940
We do run on-call services.

698
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:30,700
90% of our after-hours on-call takes place

699
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:31,840
at the detention center.

700
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,080
That's sprinkler heads, clogged toilets, anything of that nature.

701
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:43,420
And way we're currently set up with these zones, we're not able to cross train other individuals

702
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:44,300
and other techs.

703
01:05:45,020 --> 01:05:49,200
This new position will be dedicated to train under the current tech that's there.

704
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:54,960
And then leave them at that facility, allowing me to take a rotation of the other techs to

705
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,980
get them in and through the ditch center to be more familiar with that on after hours calls.

706
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:06,360
So that is our departmental budget increase in operations and a new position request.

707
01:06:07,420 --> 01:06:08,720
We moving into...

708
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,400
Brad, real quick.

709
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,020
You're talking about this position here would be strictly dedicated to that.

710
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:14,400
Yes.

711
01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:15,080
I just want...

712
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,240
Okay.

713
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:22,380
Like I said, right now that text in the zone now has four other facilities, but they don't demand

714
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:23,420
the time this one does.

715
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,280
This will allow for that cross-training to have a floater take to move in and out of each

716
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,000
other zones so we can rotate move.

717
01:06:33,150 --> 01:06:36,650
The next slide is identify general services major impacts

718
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:44,010
to infrastructure equipment. This slide highlights ballerj HVAC roofing and generators.

719
01:06:44,590 --> 01:06:51,490
I light it in red or the ones that we see as priorities or concerns. The middle one you have an

720
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:57,630
estimated cost. The very last column is equipment age and years. So as you can tell a lot of these

721
01:06:57,630 --> 01:07:01,350
The pieces of equipment are at end of life.

722
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:03,790
They're requiring a lot of maintenance to upkeep.

723
01:07:04,890 --> 01:07:09,750
So when you look at the HVAC in this building, it's 20 years old.

724
01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:14,970
HVAC, you know, you're looking to get 15 to 25 years, depending.

725
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:20,750
But as we're in and out of our facilities, almost 12 hours a day.

726
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:24,610
Random times where a lot of these systems are running 24 hours.

727
01:07:24,610 --> 01:07:27,950
keep the temperatures maintained as we come in the mornings or in the late evenings.

728
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:35,290
The new projects on there would be the ballers, as y'all are aware, we've had two facilities

729
01:07:35,290 --> 01:07:41,170
ran into in the last two years, luckily they all hit locations that were not occupied

730
01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:48,250
by office space, so these buildings are identified as concerns or issues if we do have that place

731
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:54,510
anywhere else these buildings have offices that are adjacent to parking with

732
01:07:54,510 --> 01:08:00,470
no other means of safety except a parking bumper which both of those buildings

733
01:08:00,470 --> 01:08:04,210
that were ran into they jump those cars or jump those bumpers and ran through

734
01:08:04,210 --> 01:08:09,990
the building you have any questions on the equipment and jail services we'll

735
01:08:13,930 --> 01:08:19,190
move forward so in October we opened it up to directors to submit their

736
01:08:19,190 --> 01:08:25,210
facility capital requests. These are internal elements, larger projects that we

737
01:08:25,210 --> 01:08:31,870
would hand on take care of outside of departmental budgets. You've seen this

738
01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:37,430
before in our earlier budget meetings. Nothing major has changed here. We do have

739
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:43,270
an addition of a battery backup at the detention center. Everything else is

740
01:08:43,270 --> 01:08:48,790
something you've seen before. I know I made notes here of some directors have gotten

741
01:08:48,790 --> 01:08:54,390
up prior to me here in spoke. You'll see library on there. It was from

742
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:58,930
carpet paint HVAC and roofing were identified. This slide has a few of those

743
01:08:58,930 --> 01:09:01,970
on there. If they're not on this slide they will be on the upcoming capital

744
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:08,390
projects slide. Noted of what Derek spoke of at the library just to break out so

745
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:14,610
you can easily understand. The roofing project, we've got it $350,000. Carpet at

746
01:09:14,610 --> 01:09:22,970
90,000, painting at 12,000, in the addition to the expansion or replacement of full HVAC

747
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:24,450
at an additional $400,000.

748
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:28,910
So you're looking at $852,000 projects at the library.

749
01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:36,330
Looting to prior presentation of Paul, we've got on their batting cages.

750
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:40,990
He said that would kind of coincide with another project we've got, which is to highlight

751
01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:42,550
it on the next slide in capital.

752
01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:50,130
So we have an erosion ADA issue that is the trail way that goes from home plate down

753
01:09:50,130 --> 01:09:52,970
the first baseline around the outfield to the aggregate trail.

754
01:09:53,470 --> 01:10:01,110
It's got a lot of erosion and elevation changes there that's hazard incorporating the

755
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:01,810
batting cages.

756
01:10:02,450 --> 01:10:08,770
We would look at updating that trail system around there and limiting some erosion issues.

757
01:10:12,030 --> 01:10:15,890
I mean, questions on any facility director's projects.

758
01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:26,720
We do have some of the experts here that have requested these other department heads if you get real specific in any details.

759
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,900
I'm more than happy to bring them up if they're here.

760
01:10:29,620 --> 01:10:34,820
I've got knowledge on some of the requests, but if you get into real detail, we may call them up as well.

761
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:43,600
This last slide is our capital improvement project slide.

762
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:52,360
You'll be getting a more in-depth details funding and prioritization I think in March or April that we used to do every year.

763
01:10:53,200 --> 01:11:02,560
So this is just the first glance at your CIP. All items highlighted in green are new projects that you didn't see in the prior years.

764
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:09,300
Just to highlight those, you've got the Tension Mod Core Housing Unit, the Tension Sally

765
01:11:09,300 --> 01:11:15,820
Port Extension, the Tension Pump Station, Fire Marshall County Storage Facility, the

766
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:22,020
DC Arc Stadium Light Relamp, Core House Second Floor Renovations, the Library of Moxville

767
01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:24,480
Roofing, and the Library of Moxville HVAC Unit.

768
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:26,080
They used to want

769
01:11:33,310 --> 01:11:35,810
to be it for general services.

770
01:11:35,950 --> 01:11:40,010
I'm open to any questions, more in the detail of the projects.

771
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:52,070
So I'm trying to keep up here.

772
01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:58,710
The module, modular housing at the detention center by implementing that and understanding

773
01:11:58,710 --> 01:12:06,390
that it's a short-term fix that would push out the new vertical construction to 2031.

774
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:08,570
Is that what we're saying there?

775
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:17,130
So any new construction, yes, any if you'd like to come up.

776
01:12:17,970 --> 01:12:23,850
So this housing unit is a unit that they're looking at for 21 beds, so that will take

777
01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:28,230
care of some issues he's got with segregation moving around.

778
01:12:29,230 --> 01:12:36,190
Even if new construction takes place, sooner or at 2031, is our intent to continue to utilize

779
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:37,470
that my court. So

780
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,940
this morning we had 97 inmates for 72 beds paying

781
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,640
$40 a day for some inmates to be

782
01:12:50,640 --> 01:13:00,820
housed in other places. That's a good deal but that Yacken County's house in them for us. Yacken

783
01:13:00,820 --> 01:13:06,580
County does nothing. So even as much as having to serve a paper or a notice to come to court or

784
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:10,520
I have to send a deputy up there to do that because I can county won't serve them.

785
01:13:10,940 --> 01:13:14,800
All they do is let them have a bed to sleep in, basically, and feed them a meal.

786
01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:25,890
Those costs are going to continue to rise as things go on with what I anticipate seeing

787
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:26,490
in the future.

788
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:34,190
But the pod would not negate the needs for a new facility.

789
01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:35,910
Those needs are still there.

790
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:42,890
It's just a stopgap that might, as you say Terry, extend the timeframe to look at the

791
01:13:42,890 --> 01:13:43,450
new facility.

792
01:13:46,350 --> 01:13:50,650
Currently, what we've talked about doing, if you put the pod in, it's 21 beds.

793
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:59,770
Currently, only 10 female beds, so I could use that 21 bed pod for females, which would

794
01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:03,930
to open the 10 band pod for additional mail locations.

795
01:14:05,150 --> 01:14:05,750
We

796
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:10,930
have, when looked at the mod core,

797
01:14:12,090 --> 01:14:14,210
Brad, some of my staff went to Georgia,

798
01:14:14,730 --> 01:14:16,630
looked at one being installed and looked

799
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:17,630
and it's

800
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:20,580
kind of a new thing.

801
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,980
I don't know that even if we decided to go that route

802
01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:28,800
and look at it, there are no, what you would call,

803
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,720
modular units approved in North Carolina.

804
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:40,580
So there would be in the conjunction with the vendor working with the state to get approval to install it.

805
01:14:40,980 --> 01:14:52,160
There have been three sheriff's offices that I have found that have tried modular units in the past and the state disapproved of them.

806
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:59,700
but most of those units were more built like a construction trailer type unit.

807
01:15:00,210 --> 01:15:24,250
We're actually very modular. What we're talking about is a unit that once it's here, it's more like a stick built for lack of a better term that could be used for many years. So that could be an additional way, like he said, find a way to incorporate it into a new build, et cetera, in the future. So we don't lose the.

808
01:15:28,530 --> 01:15:33,690
Yeah, when we took that tour, I've got plenty of pictures. I've got some information. If you all like that.

809
01:15:33,690 --> 01:15:37,010
sent out the also y'all can review and see what that looks like. We took

810
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:43,850
myself, Brian Whitley. We had no concerns as a facility or hookup or it's

811
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:46,210
location or footprint where it was said at our current jail.

812
01:15:50,820 --> 01:15:51,640
What is the

813
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:58,980
drainage water hazards at the sheriff's office? What's the government center?

814
01:15:59,940 --> 01:16:03,860
You're on this slide here. I went backwards because there's so much on the other

815
01:16:03,860 --> 01:16:06,180
I was still up there when you moved.

816
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,680
Yes, so on the back side of the government center,

817
01:16:10,340 --> 01:16:13,780
you know, that is a pre-engineer metal building on a slab.

818
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,160
In those areas, back there, the drainage

819
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,460
is getting close to coming above slab

820
01:16:18,460 --> 01:16:20,460
and coming back into the building.

821
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,040
This would be re-grading and re-working that area

822
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:23,660
for a new drainage.

823
01:16:41,980 --> 01:16:46,220
Are we re-king everything for security purposes?

824
01:16:46,220 --> 01:16:54,100
So actually, that is a mandate that every building gets to be keyed every five years.

825
01:16:55,340 --> 01:17:02,520
So this is just a start, that process of keeping buildings, you know, our head count

826
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,040
turnover takes place.

827
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:06,640
We don't know how many keys are floating out there.

828
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:11,120
This is just a secure, that it's not coming in and changing locks, it's just coming in

829
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:16,100
re-keying the learners we have to have a new master and new sub-keys that we know that

830
01:17:16,100 --> 01:17:21,680
okay current employees have access older keys if they're laying around or still in pockets

831
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,520
they're no longer useful. Okay I

832
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,040
may have some other questions later but I'll get with you.

833
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:33,960
Does anyone else have anything for Brad?

834
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:37,500
There's a lot of stuff.

835
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:46,120
Question, since the library carpet replacement's significant and far as a number is there

836
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:56,720
where I know carpet can be cheaper in some ways but is there a better alternative than

837
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:06,140
carpet for future durability or is that probably the best option or I just thought I'd ask?

838
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:11,760
You know it's probably the best option with that space and large space just for audible

839
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:16,760
purposes. Cleaning and maintaining you're able to clean carpets doesn't show as much

840
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:24,120
wear and tear as your LVP, your BCTs. But you know the large cost and replacing that

841
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:29,100
flooring out there is you've got to move all those books. It's got to be something that

842
01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:33,800
library's going to have to be shut down for a couple days to do half, move everything over,

843
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:39,920
finish that, move back, move the non-carpeted piece over to that back says it'll be a long

844
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,260
project but a lot of that expense is going to be just in physical moving of

845
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:49,650
virtues in there. Are you considering doing like the squares to where if

846
01:18:49,650 --> 01:18:54,590
there's damage it's easily replaced? Yes what we've tried to transition all of our

847
01:18:54,590 --> 01:19:01,250
new carpet to. Maybe that can be incorporated into the health savings plan to have

848
01:19:01,250 --> 01:19:04,810
people trade some time as employees and come help move the book.

849
01:19:20,380 --> 01:19:20,940
Nobody

850
01:19:20,940 --> 01:19:21,620
Thank you, Brad.

851
01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:32,590
We're ahead of schedule.

852
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:33,450
That's a good thing.

853
01:19:35,050 --> 01:19:35,970
Morning, Board.

854
01:19:37,150 --> 01:19:42,570
So I'm going to present the proposed planning development services budget.

855
01:19:44,090 --> 01:19:48,490
We do not anticipate any mandate changes for the fiscal year coming up.

856
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:56,540
I'm not asking for any additional personnel request, however, I am going to request funding

857
01:19:56,540 --> 01:19:59,920
for an open code enforcement building inspector position.

858
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:05,840
that was not funded in the current year due to the fact of the increased growth with subdivisions

859
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:13,780
and what we got going on in the counting, just to anticipate future inspections and what we're

860
01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:18,120
going to do the busy just go ahead and potentially explore this and have that requested in the budget.

861
01:20:19,580 --> 01:20:25,500
With that, I will be looking for capital requests to replace an existing code enforcement officer,

862
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:27,220
or one of the vehicles that we do have.

863
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:29,800
And then also with that would be asking

864
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:34,060
for a new if the position is field

865
01:20:34,060 --> 01:20:36,300
for the new code enforcement officer vehicle

866
01:20:36,300 --> 01:20:37,520
for them as well.

867
01:20:39,660 --> 01:20:40,720
And that's pretty much it.

868
01:20:40,940 --> 01:20:44,500
Is there any questions, comments or concerns at this time?

869
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,160
Anybody having questions or concerns for Johnny?

870
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,640
Can you elaborate a little bit more

871
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,020
on this building code enforcement officer positions

872
01:21:06,020 --> 01:21:09,440
What are you sure exactly?

873
01:21:10,540 --> 01:21:12,160
Just to help with the building inspection.

874
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:17,680
So just a higher building inspector to look, to anticipate more.

875
01:21:19,740 --> 01:21:22,120
We just this year growth we've got going on.

876
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:23,520
It's just more of an anticipation.

877
01:21:24,660 --> 01:21:27,680
You know, I'd rather leave from ahead than leave from behind.

878
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,060
If the influx, if everything wants to build on interest rates

879
01:21:31,060 --> 01:21:33,000
and everything really, really picks up and flowing.

880
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,960
just to be able to do that and be able to do the next day inspections, like what we've been doing, able to provide.

881
01:21:38,780 --> 01:21:41,720
Stasutorily, we don't have to provide next day inspections, but we do.

882
01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:51,400
And just this year gross, so that way we can just pockets and specialise that to be able to kind of increase services, if it is.

883
01:21:51,820 --> 01:22:01,440
If we do, interest rate change, and there is a huge growth in construction, not as well as Davey County, as the surrounding counties,

884
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:12,640
potentially could be looking to fill those positions and that way if we anticipate growth coming in we can go ahead and have somebody on board if it gets that way so that that's kind of what we're looking with just the way things are trending.

885
01:22:13,180 --> 01:22:15,500
We've kind of been in a steady incline.

886
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,420
COVID happened. We exploded.

887
01:22:18,580 --> 01:22:28,540
It kind of it's tailed off but I anticipate just was seeing the trends the way things go and it really getting really busy for some of the guys out in the field.

888
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:31,920
But right now, you're still able to do next day.

889
01:22:32,340 --> 01:22:32,860
Yeah, we are.

890
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:33,580
Right now we are.

891
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,180
We're still able to do next day inspections.

892
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:41,040
Some of the ones, depending on the, there's times which we have some specialized stuff.

893
01:22:41,940 --> 01:22:44,420
There's times we might have to roll it over to the next day.

894
01:22:44,740 --> 01:22:51,120
But I would suffice it to say probably 95% of all inspections are next day inspections

895
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,060
when they do sketch.

896
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:52,540
Yeah.

897
01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:37,750
So what you're saying is this one is it currently resides in our budget or it did

898
01:23:55,210 --> 01:23:57,130
So it's not really, okay,

899
01:24:00,150 --> 01:24:07,310
so it's not really one of the tight positions that's in that ever fluid number of positions we have at any given time.

900
01:24:07,570 --> 01:24:11,630
So yeah, it is an approved head count not funded.

901
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:17,590
So in looking at the budget, so the last few years with Johnny, that was a planner position.

902
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:26,390
We really wanted to figure out what was the true need for the position, but we did not think a planner was the need

903
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:33,290
directly so we just did not fund it so you would be you would be in essence is

904
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:36,770
one of those tricky budget things if this were to make the final cut where

905
01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:45,130
you are you are not adding a position you're just funding a position if you

906
01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:50,350
didn't you're adding the money but you know and the true sense of yeah and the

907
01:24:50,350 --> 01:24:55,630
true sense of how we talk budget if this was the only position funded I could

908
01:24:55,630 --> 01:24:57,930
then if you're going to say we're not adding any new positions.

909
01:24:58,270 --> 01:24:59,130
Less of vehicle.

910
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:59,770
Yeah.

911
01:25:00,690 --> 01:25:01,290
So.

912
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:05,410
Anyone else?

913
01:25:05,890 --> 01:25:09,010
This person, let's say that housing goes the other way.

914
01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:14,930
Could this position be used to do other forms of enforcement?

915
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:20,350
IE, if we ever tackled some type of nuisance type ordinal?

916
01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:20,750
Absolutely.

917
01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:23,030
We could structure this position and write the job

918
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:27,870
description and change duties for what are being a code enforcement if we

919
01:25:27,870 --> 01:25:32,850
incorporated any kind of nuisance or any kind of oh goodness gracious code

920
01:25:32,850 --> 01:25:37,070
enforcement associated with zoning stuff right then we could incorporate that

921
01:25:37,070 --> 01:25:42,370
and rewrite the job descriptions to do those duties as well yes and be really clear

922
01:25:42,370 --> 01:25:46,530
here I'm talking about nuisance we can talk about that later I'm not talking about

923
01:25:46,530 --> 01:25:51,770
dogs and noise and understand we currently have if we potentially adopt

924
01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:54,970
ordinance to address some specific issues. Yes, sir.

925
01:25:55,990 --> 01:25:59,970
Yeah, we're kind of talking about the pile of junk that's right beside of different things.

926
01:26:00,310 --> 01:26:01,650
It could be better.

927
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:12,540
Thank you guys.

928
01:26:17,260 --> 01:26:18,400
I read your deeds.

929
01:26:18,620 --> 01:26:19,340
Kelly Thunderberg.

930
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:20,040
Good

931
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:26,850
morning, everyone.

932
01:26:27,370 --> 01:26:27,850
Good morning.

933
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:33,230
Thank you for allowing me this time to talk with you guys and give you a little foreshadowing

934
01:26:33,230 --> 01:26:35,690
of what I see as far as the registered deeds office goes.

935
01:26:37,530 --> 01:26:42,970
I don't foresee any changes or anticipate any major changes in the budget for the

936
01:26:42,970 --> 01:26:48,550
registered deeds for the next fiscal year, so that's good and my interpretation of

937
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:52,110
this meeting is to let you guys know what could be coming down the pipe so that

938
01:26:52,110 --> 01:26:56,610
you're in a good unnoticed now. So these things that I have on the side of all it

939
01:26:56,610 --> 01:27:01,570
has a lot of words. I'm going to simplify it really easily for you as far as

940
01:27:01,570 --> 01:27:08,610
personnel changes. It does seem like that my assistant, she has told me that she plans

941
01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:14,650
to retire at the end of September. So while we will miss her greatly and she has been

942
01:27:14,650 --> 01:27:19,150
there for a long time, the plan at the end of September, as it stands now, if that works

943
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:25,850
out for her, then my assistant will be retiring. And so at that time, what I would like to do

944
01:27:25,850 --> 01:27:33,470
would be to move up one of my deputies into the assistant position. I have three employees

945
01:27:33,470 --> 01:27:38,230
and it's been that way for a very long time and they are currently the assistant and two

946
01:27:38,230 --> 01:27:45,410
deputy level ones, right? So the deputy level one is the lowest. So at the time when Robin

947
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:51,910
retires, I would like to move one of the deputy level ones up to be my assistant and then the

948
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:57,810
The other deputy level one has also been there 20 years and I would like to move her up

949
01:27:57,810 --> 01:28:04,370
and reclassify her to a deputy level two and then at that time bring in an entry level

950
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:05,070
position.

951
01:28:05,450 --> 01:28:08,230
So I won't be hiring any new position.

952
01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:15,590
I will just be promoting one within and then reclassifying one because a deputy level one

953
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:22,230
And comes in at an entry level, the deputy that I already have can run the office independently.

954
01:28:22,570 --> 01:28:25,970
She knows how to do everything in the office, she's frustrating to every department.

955
01:28:26,690 --> 01:28:29,710
So that would move her up to a deputy level too.

956
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:35,850
And we're talking roughly between two of the grade scales, so it's not a major job.

957
01:28:36,030 --> 01:28:37,890
So I just wanted to lay that out there.

958
01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:45,370
that, you know, this will be the first new hire for me, as well as for our office since March of 2007.

959
01:28:45,790 --> 01:28:54,010
We have not had a new employee in 19 years, so that will be a major thing that will go through in the next year.

960
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:56,110
Provided that, you know, Robin does retire.

961
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:58,390
So, you know, this is all in the future.

962
01:28:58,590 --> 01:29:02,270
If it happens, then I just wanted you to know that that would be my plan for personnel,

963
01:29:02,270 --> 01:29:09,490
would be to promote within on one deputy and then to reclassify the other. So essentially

964
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:14,550
it should be a wash at the end because one will be coming down, another one will be

965
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:16,970
stepping up, but then we'll have one coming in at entry level.

966
01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:22,280
And then the next slide.

967
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:28,260
This is just potential changes that I wanted to let you guys know about. The first is at

968
01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:32,760
the very top involved that we do not have any plans as any capital improvements, so I don't

969
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:37,360
anything there, but I did want to just let you know about some things going on in the legislature

970
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:43,560
that could affect our department. And the first is fraud. You know, deed fraud is a very big issue

971
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:49,780
in North Carolina, and a lot of the legislators want to be the one to get to, you know, the lawmakers

972
01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:56,360
to pass the bill and each cycle that they're in rally, it seems like that fraud gets brought up and

973
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,380
and put in to the bellows and then for some reason it gets changed, but

974
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,940
Right now, as it stands, looking at the prevention of fraud, the main things that they're looking at in bills that I see on the legislative committee of the North Carolina Association of Registry of the Beads, is that the first one is that we could potentially be required to review ID for every submitter that comes in the office. So if you are not in our office, we have what's called trusted submitters. So if a, let's say a law firm comes in and they want to electronically record with us,

975
01:30:29,940 --> 01:30:34,820
frequently. They sign an MOU with our office and we have it on record and then

976
01:30:34,820 --> 01:30:38,080
they record and so we have all their information and they become a trusted

977
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,600
submitter. General person, Johnny, Johnny Public that's coming in off the street,

978
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:48,680
they don't have to sign a MOU. They're not a trusted submitter. So for anyone who's

979
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:52,100
coming in as a citizen to record something like that that's not a trusted

980
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:58,120
submitter, we would have to look at their ID and potentially we're not sure yet

981
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,220
But some legislators have said we should save it and have it and keep it.

982
01:31:03,460 --> 01:31:06,080
Other ones say no, you just need to check it and look at it.

983
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,880
And this is all in the future if it gets passed.

984
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:17,320
So one thing I just wanted to let y'all know is that if we do have to start looking at IDs for all potential submitters

985
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:21,580
that are not trusted submitters, and we have to scan their IDs and keep the men.

986
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:26,860
Then that might mean that I'll work with our vendor on the cloud storage and stuff like that.

987
01:31:26,860 --> 01:31:33,380
just because it's going to be an uptick in the amount of data that we keep based upon the photo ID.

988
01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:39,340
So that's one thing. The second thing is that some another legislator has thrown out is that

989
01:31:39,340 --> 01:31:46,060
in the event there is any transfer of ownership for any property that at that time the register would

990
01:31:46,060 --> 01:31:55,860
have to end correspondence to the owner and let them know in a written letter that ownership has

991
01:31:55,860 --> 01:32:00,600
change. So if that happens, then I just wanted to let y'all know, that means that we'll be

992
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:05,220
write more letters, buy more envelopes, and send them more postage. And that's, again,

993
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:09,320
if that happens and that gets passed, that's another idea that has been thrown out to make

994
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,180
sure that people know that things have changed, is that if there's any transfer of ownership.

995
01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:19,680
And so we have questions in the Registrar Association like, well, you know, what is that? When would

996
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,780
you do that for an easement? Would you do that for all deeds? You know, things like that. So

997
01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:27,300
It was a lot to be worked out, but again, these are things that possibly could occur within

998
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:27,940
this next year.

999
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:33,060
The second one there is certified copies of birth certificates for individuals who've

1000
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:34,120
had a gender change.

1001
01:32:34,380 --> 01:32:35,560
That's a tourally now.

1002
01:32:35,740 --> 01:32:38,740
That is they have to be put on two different pieces of paper.

1003
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,920
So when a person comes into the office, if they have a gender change, then we have to do

1004
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,840
a certified copy of their birth certificate.

1005
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,800
The first one will be the birth certificate that they were born with and the second will

1006
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,040
be the birth certificate with the gender change and we have to

1007
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,700
they put them together and provide them a two page. I just wanted to let you

1008
01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:01,480
know that if you see an increase in our certified copy paper it is because

1009
01:33:01,480 --> 01:33:05,720
it will be issue if that happens. I don't imagine that David County is going to

1010
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:09,240
have a lot of those but just again let me know that this is a new thing that's

1011
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,480
coming through the register of these offices that we're going to have increased

1012
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:17,420
cost for our certified paper. The Kelly Wood couldn't that cost be passed along to

1013
01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:22,120
them? Women couldn't the fee for their certificate be different than a regular

1014
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:27,520
birth certificate? That is all statutorily as well so right now certified copies

1015
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:33,720
are $10 and we don't set those fees. Okay. Some offices have suggested that we do

1016
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:38,420
them front and back so that it's one piece of paper. I don't know I'm gonna wait

1017
01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:42,440
until I get guidance from the state and vital records and see if they're gonna

1018
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:46,140
allow us to do front and back. That means you're gonna have to seal it on the

1019
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:51,200
same piece of paper, so I foresee that that will be problematic. But then other people

1020
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,460
are arguing that if you've got two pieces, then some people are just going to rip off the

1021
01:33:54,460 --> 01:33:58,780
staple and then you're going to have different sheets. So there's, you know, is it going

1022
01:33:58,780 --> 01:34:03,500
to say page one of two and page two of two and things like that? So again, we're waiting

1023
01:34:03,500 --> 01:34:09,800
on guidance on, and the look at the line of office of vital records is very slow and has a lot

1024
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:14,780
of issues that they deal with every day while I appreciate all that they do. They're quite

1025
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:20,180
difficult to get answers from. So that's something that we're watching. Number three, just like

1026
01:34:20,180 --> 01:34:25,360
with all departments, if postage goes up, then we will have our postage increase. But that's something

1027
01:34:26,780 --> 01:34:31,640
miss Vinnie. That's something that we could we could increase our postage. Like right now when we

1028
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:36,120
mail things back out, if somebody who sends in a vital record request and it's you know just for

1029
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:42,040
an uncertified copy that costs 25 cents and then it costs us 74 cents to mail it out, we charge

1030
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:46,280
for the meal. And so we're not going to eat that. And so let's say that the

1031
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:49,680
postage goes up, then that's something we could increase our postage calls to

1032
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:54,280
cover things like that in the number three. And then last, this one's not

1033
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:57,760
mandated, but I just threw it in there. The North Carolina Association, the group

1034
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:02,140
that myself and all of my staff members are involved in, that's really vital to

1035
01:35:02,140 --> 01:35:06,380
our our jobs. It helps us to stay up to date with everything. They've committed

1036
01:35:06,380 --> 01:35:11,320
an ad hoc committee to look about increasing their dues. And so if you see that,

1037
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,200
That's, you know, showing up that subscriptions and dues or education and training has increased.

1038
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:22,960
It's currently $325 a year for me to be in that membership and $25 a year, so we're

1039
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,740
talking maybe a $50 increase.

1040
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:25,300
minimal.

1041
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:31,900
But I just wanted to let you guys know of what I see that might be increasing, so it would

1042
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:38,620
just be mainly office supplies, potentially like a $50 or under $100 increase in the fee

1043
01:35:38,620 --> 01:35:45,120
for that association. And postage. So when someone requests you just send them something

1044
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,800
by mail you charge them for the postage. Yes. Okay. Because I knew when I had to get

1045
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:55,060
something from Raleigh, I had to I had to send them the envelope and everything.

1046
01:35:55,980 --> 01:36:02,060
Yeah. A lot of law firms that are used to mailing in their recordings they will send a

1047
01:36:02,060 --> 01:36:08,320
sort of a return envelope with a stamp on it. And some do not. So we do have a small

1048
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:14,300
amount that we have in postage that goes out for individuals that come in. And here in

1049
01:36:14,300 --> 01:36:20,080
David County, I will say one way in the future to reduce postage. A lot of the counties

1050
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:25,860
around us now you scan in and they get their original right back. My staff, I love them,

1051
01:36:26,060 --> 01:36:30,740
they're fantastic and they like to hold it for 24 hours because we check, check and recheck

1052
01:36:30,740 --> 01:36:34,920
before it goes on the permanent index. We have a temporary index that you go on immediately,

1053
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,980
which means it's reported, but then we are proofreading

1054
01:36:37,980 --> 01:36:40,360
and we are indexing and doing things behind the scene.

1055
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:42,900
So it really gets three different checks behind it.

1056
01:36:43,340 --> 01:36:46,280
The ladies in the office prefer to have that document

1057
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,360
in hand for 24 hours and then we mail it back out.

1058
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,480
So on the rare occasion that a person comes in and records something

1059
01:36:53,480 --> 01:36:57,000
and they don't bring a self-adjusted stamp envelope,

1060
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:58,320
then we send it out.

1061
01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:02,700
But in the future, depending upon the budget and how things look,

1062
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:07,280
it could be that, you know, we do switch over to a, you record, you scan it, you immediately

1063
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:10,240
get your original back, and then that would decrease our postage cost.

1064
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,420
So that's something I'm looking at, and I'm really deferred to the staff ladies to, you

1065
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:19,260
know, when they're ready, I'm ready, you know, to cut out some of that postage, but we don't

1066
01:37:19,260 --> 01:37:20,840
have a huge postage around any way.

1067
01:37:20,900 --> 01:37:23,700
It's not like elections, I bet there's a lot of time.

1068
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:24,540
Oh yeah.

1069
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:30,480
And because, you know, now we've, we're at like 68% of electronic recording, so it's, we do

1070
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:38,040
a lot more electronic recording than we do paper recording and then I kind of

1071
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:44,300
need to comment on that because please keep doing what you're doing and I would

1072
01:37:44,300 --> 01:37:51,580
say don't worry about spending an extra $500 for post a year because you know

1073
01:37:51,580 --> 01:37:56,720
I know we got errors in a mission's interest but I mean insurance but you know

1074
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:03,660
getting something mucked up and chain a title and something lost wouldn't take

1075
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:11,080
one case would white you know what I'm saying so it's like one minor error could

1076
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,480
cause a huge rough. Oh yeah.

1077
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,280
I do think I know a little bit about this

1078
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:20,720
particular office. Does anybody have any questions about the future as far as

1079
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:26,760
employees? I just wanted to make sure that was clear like it wasn't I'm not looking

1080
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,360
I can add anybody, I just will have a shift in the

1081
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:35,220
classifications and the information of the staff that's already there and then I'll hire somebody at entry level.

1082
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,360
She will have a double the period.

1083
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:56,480
If you bring them in, if I play my cars, I'm thinking I'll sit in May and then do interviews like in June and July to have the person start in August to have training August and then she would leave in September.

1084
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:01,440
It may be a month that there would be a time for anyone.

1085
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:07,780
I have a question about the Fraud Reform.

1086
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:12,260
There's a private entity out there called Title Lock

1087
01:39:12,260 --> 01:39:16,020
that I've got some experience with and I know it works.

1088
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:20,640
Is there a corporate or municipal subscription

1089
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,740
available for that?

1090
01:39:22,660 --> 01:39:26,460
No, and where the North Carolina Association stands on that

1091
01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:29,100
is that right now, I believe we're

1092
01:39:29,100 --> 01:39:34,580
up to 90 counties within North Carolina that all have the free property fraud notification

1093
01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:42,320
service like we have here and it is our opinion that citizens do not need to pay extra

1094
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:48,940
or the title lock because what we offer in the free property fraud alert notification system

1095
01:39:48,940 --> 01:39:55,820
is very similar and it all gets done by the indexing that we do so the answer to your question

1096
01:39:55,820 --> 01:40:17,140
about municipalities, not that not to my knowledge there is, but I could take into it and see if there is, but the bigger picture is that the North Carolina Association feels like that that group is mainly out just, you know, to try as a business trying to get people when we offer the services for free in 90 out of 100 county.

1097
01:40:20,630 --> 01:40:25,590
We have a lot of fraud cases here in Bogor County that you know.

1098
01:40:26,050 --> 01:40:26,870
Absolutely not.

1099
01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:31,210
I've been here, it'll be six years and we haven't had a fraud case.

1100
01:40:31,630 --> 01:40:36,750
We have had a couple instances where a realtor is contacted in the community

1101
01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:40,830
and someone will call and say they want to sell a piece of property

1102
01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:44,750
and then when they do, the realtor will do investigating

1103
01:40:44,750 --> 01:40:47,510
and then they'll see, wait a minute, this doesn't sound right,

1104
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:49,370
so the realtor will investigate it,

1105
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:51,950
but as far as any recording,

1106
01:40:52,130 --> 01:40:54,530
like getting all the way to closing and recording,

1107
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:57,590
we've had none, so we're very lucky.

1108
01:40:57,810 --> 01:40:59,690
It is all around us, so I stay on top of it,

1109
01:40:59,730 --> 01:41:01,030
and I'll watch it very closely,

1110
01:41:01,290 --> 01:41:05,270
and I'm on the legislative board and I go

1111
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:08,650
and I'll do fraud presentations with Lake Butero

1112
01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:10,590
at different places so that people know

1113
01:41:10,590 --> 01:41:12,870
to sign up for that fraud prevention,

1114
01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:16,490
and what to look for, but mainly when you're talking

1115
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:21,910
about deed fraud, they're looking at places that are vacant, that the owners live out of state

1116
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:28,290
and it looks like nobody's caring about the properties or the foreclosures. We're very lucky here

1117
01:41:28,290 --> 01:41:35,050
and I praise JD like now he's got a deputy that looks into all of that. So if I have questions,

1118
01:41:35,230 --> 01:41:40,770
I can call that deputy and you know he and I can look into it but the only time there's one other time

1119
01:41:40,770 --> 01:41:45,850
we had a recording and someone came in and they thought the dose fraudulent and it truly was just an

1120
01:41:45,850 --> 01:41:50,450
by the attorney. The attorney had included too many parcels on the description and like the one in

1121
01:41:50,450 --> 01:41:55,550
the middle wasn't supposed to be included and so the attorney did a corrections deed and corrected

1122
01:41:55,550 --> 01:42:00,290
it was absolutely not any fraud. So we're very lucky and I'm going to knock on wood as I say that.

1123
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:08,820
Well so one thing too is that I hear a lot of rhetoric going to go over the years I was registered

1124
01:42:08,820 --> 01:42:16,180
about why is the register of deeds elected? They're just this administrative ministerial position and

1125
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:19,220
And you know, there's history behind it and I'm not going to go into that.

1126
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:25,960
It really goes back to England and about people wanting to put, if land is your most

1127
01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:26,860
valuable asset.

1128
01:42:27,340 --> 01:42:32,220
And then when you think about vital records, these things are very important.

1129
01:42:32,940 --> 01:42:34,360
That's most of your worth.

1130
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:40,500
That people wanted to put their trust, they wanted to pick who they entrusted with that.

1131
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:50,680
But also, I can't applaud the overall inner workings of the Association of Registries

1132
01:42:50,680 --> 01:43:00,220
by being elected and having creativity and negotiating and making vendors compete and

1133
01:43:00,220 --> 01:43:08,700
making legislative and lobbying to do things that in that standpoint you're getting people

1134
01:43:08,700 --> 01:43:16,860
that answer to the public very frugally and it's created a good history of a product

1135
01:43:17,820 --> 01:43:25,700
and in that case Kelly being involved in that manner is continuing that type of thing.

1136
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:33,460
Just like she said, free for this. We ended up free for, free for electronic recording eventually.

1137
01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:39,460
All these things, the power of that elected group in that context has saved.

1138
01:43:39,980 --> 01:43:43,240
It's untold what the county has saved because of that.

1139
01:43:43,820 --> 01:43:50,880
I don't know if they would have had that kind of lobbying power just as rank and file hired employees.

1140
01:43:51,700 --> 01:43:52,460
Thank you.

1141
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,300
Kelly, thank you so very much.

1142
01:43:59,600 --> 01:43:59,960
My pleasure.

1143
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:02,600
Okay.

1144
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:04,900
Our tax administrator, Mr. Jamie Gatti.

1145
01:44:10,190 --> 01:44:12,370
Thank you, Madam Chair, commissioners.

1146
01:44:13,490 --> 01:44:20,510
This morning, just real quick, as far as tank scores, there's really no anything

1147
01:44:23,130 --> 01:44:23,670
the word

1148
01:44:23,670 --> 01:44:30,390
I'm looking for, no requests for anything above and beyond mostly, but we do have a couple

1149
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:37,430
of operational requests that we'd like to discuss here this morning, or the first one,

1150
01:44:38,150 --> 01:44:43,090
it's dealing with our mapping, and it kind of gives you an idea of how that works.

1151
01:44:43,090 --> 01:44:49,590
you know all of us know that counties are forever changing. One parcel may

1152
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:54,510
become two, two may become one, one may get platted as a whole new development. So

1153
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:59,810
there's the boundaries seem to always be changed. And what happens is when those

1154
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,820
Underreach change, through maybe surveys or parts of whatever, they get recorded at the register of deeds, as Kelly was just kind of mentioning how things get recorded. From their system integrations are talking between the two systems, those changes or those new surveys sooner or later get to us. And what we have to do is we have to map those new boundaries. So we map them because that allows us to

1155
01:45:29,820 --> 01:45:37,340
then assess the values of those properties. The concern that we have is around that mapping.

1156
01:45:37,700 --> 01:45:46,260
Right now we utilize what's called a desktop topology program. Next month that program is no longer

1157
01:45:46,260 --> 01:45:53,500
maintained. If you think back to the Internet Explorer days when it went out and the new style came in,

1158
01:45:53,500 --> 01:45:55,720
That's kind of what's happening here.

1159
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,800
So after February, our beginning next month,

1160
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,540
that program, if something happens,

1161
01:46:03,560 --> 01:46:08,720
we no longer have the mains to map those new boundaries.

1162
01:46:09,500 --> 01:46:12,320
So that is the current concern that we have with this program.

1163
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:16,160
And so that's the reason that we've kind of brought it forth to you

1164
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:22,480
to think about, to allow us the opportunity to get the new program,

1165
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:29,900
which is that what's highlighted in the dark is the pro-parcel fabric program that will take

1166
01:46:29,900 --> 01:46:31,040
the place of the old.

1167
01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:37,760
And with that, that's just kind of the quick birds I view. I don't be happy

1168
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,340
to answer any questions for that part.

1169
01:46:41,900 --> 01:46:48,090
The cost, it's a one and done, it's at 35.7 to transition to

1170
01:46:48,090 --> 01:47:02,260
new new program and how often do you you said your your current software sunset and how long have you had that you know how it's been

1171
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:10,220
yeah I'm gonna say it's a long time has been without really knowing the

1172
01:47:10,220 --> 01:47:12,680
There's probably a significant amount of time.

1173
01:47:13,940 --> 01:47:21,720
There's not any maintenance fee type thing that's annual basis that's, you know, that

1174
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:23,380
can show up in that when you say.

1175
01:47:23,900 --> 01:47:24,300
No, sir.

1176
01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:25,200
Any

1177
01:47:27,980 --> 01:47:28,520
other questions?

1178
01:47:29,220 --> 01:47:35,800
So I just know that if this company's updating their aerial views, you have unlimited access

1179
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:36,740
to that forever.

1180
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:40,930
This is the mapping side.

1181
01:47:41,050 --> 01:47:43,410
This is not the GIS or the aerial side.

1182
01:47:43,410 --> 01:47:51,830
Brad's going to talk about another program here that we're looking at to possibly acquire.

1183
01:47:52,650 --> 01:47:54,650
But this is just the mapping side.

1184
01:47:55,110 --> 01:48:00,650
So once that recording comes to us from the register of DAIDs, Seth takes those new boundaries.

1185
01:48:01,230 --> 01:48:06,930
He puts it in the system, and then it translates to GIS, which is what we see as the end-users

1186
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:08,610
on that side.

1187
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:11,680
Make sense?

1188
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:12,880
Or did I answer that right?

1189
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:18,380
Well, sort of, but on number two, it talks about, you know, allow staff to measure building

1190
01:48:18,380 --> 01:48:23,360
through slight features unless you've got a map that's evolving to reflect that, how's

1191
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:23,940
that going to work?

1192
01:48:24,620 --> 01:48:25,660
I think that's what Brent's going to do.

1193
01:48:25,660 --> 01:48:26,940
What Brent's going to talk about.

1194
01:48:26,940 --> 01:48:27,560
I think someone's lying ahead.

1195
01:48:27,820 --> 01:48:27,900
Yeah.

1196
01:48:28,340 --> 01:48:28,720
Sorry.

1197
01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:29,700
Oh, that's fine.

1198
01:48:30,220 --> 01:48:30,480
Okay.

1199
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:34,880
There's two different things what you're talking about and then what Brent's going to talk

1200
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:36,080
about are different things.

1201
01:48:36,420 --> 01:48:36,520
Yes.

1202
01:48:37,180 --> 01:48:39,700
That's why I said it's two operational requests.

1203
01:48:39,700 --> 01:48:45,460
Yes, the first being the mapping update and then what Brett's ready to talk about,

1204
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:48,260
right?

1205
01:48:48,340 --> 01:48:49,080
I'll turn it over to Brett.

1206
01:48:51,700 --> 01:48:52,120
Righty.

1207
01:48:53,180 --> 01:49:11,940
Yeah, the difference being, I guess primarily is the pro fabric if something, if we do not utilize that and get that then essentially eventually something will break and we will no longer be able to map in the tax office, which is not a good thing where

1208
01:49:11,940 --> 01:49:19,860
EgoView here is an additional service to what we're already provided by the state.

1209
01:49:20,140 --> 01:49:25,520
So once every four years the state gives us aerial imagery, they fly that over, it's

1210
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:34,120
provided to us, what EgoView will do is essentially take that from getting that once every four years,

1211
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:36,820
to essentially getting that about once every other year.

1212
01:49:37,260 --> 01:49:41,100
So instead of, right now we're working off of 2022 imagery.

1213
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:46,240
So we'll pull up the map, any citizen in the county pulls up the map, the image that

1214
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:50,100
they're seeing is at this point, about four years old.

1215
01:49:52,020 --> 01:49:57,960
But so, EagleView, Jayman's worked with them in Durham County, so he has a little more

1216
01:49:58,820 --> 01:50:01,400
experience as far as personal views with it.

1217
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:10,040
But it is, it is an aerial photography business, essentially they would fly the county about

1218
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:19,100
every other year. This would allow staff to use this feature desktop or mobile remotely.

1219
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:26,120
We're always going to have a need to go out in the field until the day we don't do this anymore.

1220
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:29,920
We'll be out there in the car, you know, measuring and stuff like this.

1221
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:38,000
But there's just certain elements that this software does that no amount of human capital could

1222
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:45,580
to really bring in, even if we were to bring in five new appraisers, they can't see properties

1223
01:50:45,580 --> 01:50:46,400
from the top down.

1224
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:56,780
So several of the benefits of this program is that they have the ability to integrate

1225
01:50:56,780 --> 01:51:03,560
with our current system, so to take our current knowledge of, hey, my home is 20 by 40 structure.

1226
01:51:05,060 --> 01:51:11,340
We can compare it to what Eagleview picks up and say hey, it's not actually 20 by 40, you know, it's 20 by 60.

1227
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:17,020
You know, there's an addition added that was maybe it wasn't permitted for or something of that nature.

1228
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:27,480
And then within their system they'll flag that and we'd get a copy of that to either review in person then or be the imagery and correct that.

1229
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:36,840
So our two main goals in this is we want to improve, you know, accuracy within the tax

1230
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:37,140
office.

1231
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:43,980
The more we can improve accuracy, the more y'all invest in our ability to have the data

1232
01:51:43,980 --> 01:51:51,400
that we have be clean and concise, then we're able to, you know, eliminate the errors that

1233
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:56,200
are just somewhat unavoidable due to just the size of what we do.

1234
01:51:56,860 --> 01:52:03,220
fundamentally the work we do through mass appraisal through revaluation, that's not going to change,

1235
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:10,820
that's state mandated, but if we can avoid any kind of inaccuracies, then that helps us not have

1236
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:17,140
to have conversations with the public of saying, hey, we didn't make an error here, and this would be

1237
01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:24,120
a big step towards that. The other biggie is safety. We deal with the public on a daily basis,

1238
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,920
the vast vast majority of those interactions are positive you know people in

1239
01:52:28,920 --> 01:52:32,640
David County are are wonderful but I don't know a single person that would

1240
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:38,740
voluntarily you know want to pay more property taxes so we're out in the field

1241
01:52:38,740 --> 01:52:43,960
that's generally when you know we have our our our bigger concerns as far as safety

1242
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:49,520
goes whether that's you know dogs or you know going on someone's property knocking

1243
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:54,920
on the door, they're not there, but you know you're trying to do your work and then you

1244
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:59,980
surprise either an individual or an animal. So there's, there have not been any incidents

1245
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:06,180
in David County. They're, they're half across the state as far as just some, some concerns of,

1246
01:53:06,180 --> 01:53:11,620
you know, hey, what are, what are people doing on my property? Do we have a legal right to be there?

1247
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:17,600
Currently within, you know, then with kind of law, there is nothing written in there that says,

1248
01:53:18,180 --> 01:53:22,540
assessors have the right, you know, to go to your property, we have to raise

1249
01:53:22,540 --> 01:53:28,860
highest and best use with the knowledge currently given to us. So I really

1250
01:53:28,860 --> 01:53:34,820
just want to focus in on the goal is assessment accuracy and the software has

1251
01:53:34,820 --> 01:53:38,700
the benefit of also creating safety for staff while it improves increasing our

1252
01:53:38,700 --> 01:53:39,480
accuracy.

1253
01:53:42,220 --> 01:53:47,420
So the cost has broken out over a six-year period. We

1254
01:53:47,420 --> 01:53:50,180
We did receive a quote from EagleView.

1255
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:54,220
I'll happily pass that along to Karen to y'all of,

1256
01:53:54,220 --> 01:53:58,020
it was roughly $48,000 a year, six years.

1257
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,440
The information you've gone on this software, I think.

1258
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:09,740
If I'm hearing you correctly, the difference is getting the information

1259
01:54:10,420 --> 01:54:14,820
in a two-year block versus getting it from the state,

1260
01:54:14,820 --> 01:54:18,240
4-year block, is it the same information?

1261
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:22,060
So the imagery is slightly different.

1262
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:29,640
The quality of ego views is much higher, the actual science of it is it's like a 1-inch

1263
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,840
pixel where the state is, I think, about an 8-inch pixel.

1264
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:35,940
So the quality is much higher.

1265
01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:38,240
We would still receive the state imagery as well.

1266
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:45,160
Well, we're not forfeiting anything by going this would just be in addition to, but I guess

1267
01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:52,680
my point is the state provides you with the photographs, whatever, the imagery.

1268
01:54:53,260 --> 01:55:00,380
Are you able to garner the same level of assessment from what you get from the state of North Carolina

1269
01:55:00,380 --> 01:55:09,680
Is this EagleView provide you any more ability to assess versus what you already get?

1270
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:17,060
In my opinion, yes, the programs that are implemented along with the imagery, because

1271
01:55:17,060 --> 01:55:22,020
it's not just the imagery, it's a program called SketchCheck, and they compare previous years

1272
01:55:22,020 --> 01:55:27,360
to one another to see, so there's some other programs that come along with it that the

1273
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:34,620
States. Not going to provide. Yeah, Mr. Jones one thing that may try to help you

1274
01:55:34,620 --> 01:55:39,380
answer that question like the state the imagery all that you see is the roofs.

1275
01:55:39,660 --> 01:55:44,380
So what because it is a bird's eye view of that parcel. So when you look at that

1276
01:55:44,380 --> 01:55:50,740
you don't know if that building is just an old pole barn is it a shed is it you

1277
01:55:50,740 --> 01:55:57,280
know does it have four sides versus mine. So what Eagle View does is it not only

1278
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:05,820
captures that bird's eye view. It also has a beak video from all four sides so we can see the

1279
01:56:05,820 --> 01:56:12,860
building north south or we can see it north southeast and west from every angle which allows us to

1280
01:56:12,860 --> 01:56:21,700
say okay you know what's on the back of that house is not just a deck it has a roof so now it becomes

1281
01:56:21,700 --> 01:56:29,240
support. So that's the big advantage is when Brett talks about the more accuracy, it gives us

1282
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:36,580
those different views to see or not see what's there. So hopefully that kind of helped

1283
01:56:36,580 --> 01:56:36,800
that.

1284
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:50,380
So this would help you capture things. When I say capture capture amenities or whatever,

1285
01:56:50,380 --> 01:56:58,640
or even it helps you maybe capture brick from near versus not being able to, okay, or

1286
01:56:58,640 --> 01:57:03,740
like in the case where you came out to my house, it might, it would capture whichever part

1287
01:57:03,740 --> 01:57:09,000
of the porch that was missing from whatever schematic we had.

1288
01:57:09,660 --> 01:57:09,760
Okay.

1289
01:57:10,140 --> 01:57:17,580
The imagery for this is so good that I can now tell whether or not that house has an air

1290
01:57:17,580 --> 01:57:24,900
in the back yard, whereas right now, you know, a lot of times we can't fill from the state

1291
01:57:24,900 --> 01:57:31,260
imagery or areas, you know, it is hard to see. You know, that the state doesn't focus

1292
01:57:31,260 --> 01:57:37,360
in well enough to see those types, just a little things, which corrects or makes our assessment

1293
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:38,240
a little more accurate.

1294
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:45,400
Does that imagery take into consideration overhangs? Because I know if you're looking straight

1295
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:54,120
down on a roof on a 40 by 30 house. It's got a two foot overhang on it. If what you're seeing

1296
01:57:54,120 --> 01:58:04,780
from up above is actually 34 by 44, which gives you an extra 200-day square feet that you can

1297
01:58:04,780 --> 01:58:12,300
charge for as being square footage if it doesn't take out that overhang. Does that imagery allow that?

1298
01:58:12,300 --> 01:58:33,340
Yes, that's where they'll bleak. That's where the the four sides come in because you can literally see the base of the house so you can measure across the base versus measuring the roof line and take out that extra space because it's not square footage.

1299
01:58:33,340 --> 01:58:34,260
The

1300
01:58:36,530 --> 01:58:42,510
$48,000 a year, approximately $300,000 for the program over the six years.

1301
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:46,790
Is that a contracted period then at the end of the six years we re-contract?

1302
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:56,670
Are you looking at this help you to reduce staff?

1303
01:58:58,810 --> 01:59:04,370
No, at this time we're not looking to reduce the number of staff, but I mean we only have three

1304
01:59:04,370 --> 01:59:09,010
preysers for $26,000 parcels. So this would be just a total of $20,000.

1305
01:59:14,610 --> 01:59:15,270
Anyone else?

1306
01:59:15,730 --> 01:59:17,830
I don't have a question about these self-wares, but

1307
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:22,950
the is one of your steady goals is to improve the accuracy of the

1308
01:59:22,950 --> 01:59:26,970
assessments. And this is from Mr. Gaddy. Back when we were

1309
01:59:26,970 --> 01:59:30,770
doing, just went through ReVow. It was my understanding your

1310
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:37,470
association, Ditten, was resistant to use private parties,

1311
01:59:37,470 --> 01:59:40,910
He's read in Zillow as a database.

1312
01:59:41,230 --> 01:59:44,790
Is that still the position of your association?

1313
01:59:47,070 --> 01:59:50,490
We hesitate using those because I

1314
01:59:53,080 --> 01:59:53,980
don't think there

1315
01:59:53,980 --> 01:59:56,620
is accurate as they may seem.

1316
01:59:56,800 --> 01:59:59,860
One or two, if you research.

1317
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,500
You may find that one or two of those, their estimates, be in the ballpark of where we are, but if you, if you look through enough of them, that's not always the case. You know, we, we compare our data with the sales that we see and that we name is qualified sales or. So that's why I think that we got it. Or we are a little better than relying on those. Now it doesn't mean that we can't just.

1318
02:00:33,230 --> 02:00:39,370
research with them. I'll give you an example. If you look at Redfin or if you look at

1319
02:00:39,370 --> 02:00:47,270
Rillator and if you look at Zillow, 7 out of 10 times you're going to get three

1320
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:51,810
different estimates. They're all over the place. I'll give you another example.

1321
02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:59,350
The other day I was spot checking. Zillow had an estimate based on I think it was

1322
02:00:59,350 --> 02:01:06,090
like 12 or 13 acres of land, when an actuality the property itself had well over more land

1323
02:01:06,090 --> 02:01:12,610
units than that. So they wouldn't even assessing all the land units. So that's why I hesitate

1324
02:01:12,610 --> 02:01:14,370
using those programs.

1325
02:01:17,050 --> 02:01:20,450
And that's just me and Brett's got anything to say about him and he

1326
02:01:20,450 --> 02:01:21,650
You can chime in.

1327
02:01:22,270 --> 02:01:26,570
No county that I've worked with so far uses them

1328
02:01:26,570 --> 02:01:29,370
as kind of edged in stone philosophy.

1329
02:01:36,020 --> 02:01:36,680
Anyone else?

1330
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:41,620
Okay, Jamie and Brett, thank you very much.

1331
02:01:42,540 --> 02:01:43,280
Mr. Lambert.

1332
02:01:51,660 --> 02:01:53,420
Tom, we're gonna save everybody some money today.

1333
02:01:53,680 --> 02:01:54,800
Talk about food before lunch.

1334
02:01:55,140 --> 02:01:55,520
There you go.

1335
02:01:58,620 --> 02:02:01,700
All right, so talk about the utility's budget.

1336
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:03,180
First, we're gonna start off with operation.

1337
02:02:03,180 --> 02:02:09,140
So what I'm going over is in capital budget or budget that we do capital projects or

1338
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:13,580
capitals that we use in our operations budget, operations budgets, what we base our rates

1339
02:02:13,580 --> 02:02:13,980
off of.

1340
02:02:14,700 --> 02:02:17,920
So of course, we're going to do the same thing that we've done for the last 15 years.

1341
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:22,120
We're going to replace just two regular cab trucks last year replace the service truck.

1342
02:02:22,140 --> 02:02:23,740
We won't be doing that this year.

1343
02:02:25,060 --> 02:02:28,620
The water treatment plant, sports road, we're going to do a back loss.

1344
02:02:28,620 --> 02:02:33,980
So I've got to be determined on this because we were waiting on cost I got this last night

1345
02:02:33,980 --> 02:02:41,180
So this backwash line for the raw water pump boat. So what this does is when we bring this wall water raw water in from the river

1346
02:02:41,180 --> 02:02:45,520
It brings a sand debris things like that. So we have to wash that back out

1347
02:02:46,660 --> 02:02:49,940
This hasn't nothing has been done to this since

1348
02:02:50,980 --> 02:02:51,940
late 90s

1349
02:02:51,940 --> 02:02:56,660
so we want to go in and we want to remove the solids and

1350
02:02:56,660 --> 02:03:01,620
and rebuild everything and make sure that we're still working properly there.

1351
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:05,780
Cost for that is $25,000, $24,000 in some change.

1352
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:09,520
The other thing is the Choline Ways Treatment Plant,

1353
02:03:09,980 --> 02:03:14,260
the Robic Digester, this interior concrete rehabilitation.

1354
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:22,300
So what this is, is this is just a big tank that we waste out of the wastewater treatment plant

1355
02:03:22,300 --> 02:03:28,640
that when our bacteria get too high, that we have to put them somewhere else to keep our plant operating properly.

1356
02:03:29,060 --> 02:03:38,580
So we waste into this aerobic digester and from there we land apply or store in another basin to land application.

1357
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:46,700
What happens is the sulfide gas is the methane, you wouldn't believe how it eats the interior of this concrete up.

1358
02:03:46,700 --> 02:03:52,260
So basically just pitch it and it will take it down to the rebar or whatever is in there

1359
02:03:52,260 --> 02:03:53,900
to make it stable.

1360
02:03:54,560 --> 02:04:00,120
So what we do is we go back in, we fix that concrete and over the years, of course we

1361
02:04:00,120 --> 02:04:06,720
know this plant is old, they've come out now with a coating that we put on these and

1362
02:04:06,720 --> 02:04:09,620
it's basically a rubberized coating that protects it from this.

1363
02:04:09,620 --> 02:04:17,720
So once we do this, it lasts a lot longer than it would in the previous four coding areas.

1364
02:04:18,700 --> 02:04:22,220
Dutchman Creek Listation there, currently out there starting this lift station up right

1365
02:04:22,220 --> 02:04:22,460
now.

1366
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:27,820
This is a capital project that we've been working on probably for about the last 18 months.

1367
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:34,620
This money was received through grant funding through the state so it was directly

1368
02:04:34,620 --> 02:04:39,220
allocated in the state's budget not last year but year before this project

1369
02:04:39,220 --> 02:04:47,360
come in about $50,000 under budget so hopefully I'm getting some text messages

1370
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:53,700
and some calls that this will be completed today but let's say we're hopeful

1371
02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:57,980
we're having some some issues with some some pumps and some pipes in there but

1372
02:04:57,980 --> 02:05:02,600
everyone's out there working so but this project will be done within the next two

1373
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:07,660
weeks for sure. The Deadman Road water pump station rehabilitation this is our

1374
02:05:07,660 --> 02:05:14,460
next project we'll be starting. We've completed design we've sent it out we're

1375
02:05:14,460 --> 02:05:20,440
waiting on bids so we'll open the bids on February 19th. We're anticipating

1376
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:25,360
estimated costs about 1.3 million dollars. We have this funding already set aside

1377
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:30,240
over the years in our capital improvement project which I'll get to you'll see

1378
02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:36,480
how we set money aside year by year but we only do these projects as we have the money set aside

1379
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:37,920
for them if they're not grant funded.

1380
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:43,040
So the new cool me water treatment plant I want to give an

1381
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:49,820
update on this probably large project that everybody's anticipating being done in March.

1382
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:57,300
This is what's remaining for completion so we're completing the chemical piping which this is a lot

1383
02:05:57,300 --> 02:06:02,980
of piping and once you see how much of this piping goes around this plant it's really amazing.

1384
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:09,260
We're going to start installing the filters so this will be the large filters that all the water

1385
02:06:09,260 --> 02:06:15,160
goes through before it becomes finished water. These have about eight foot of bed in them of different

1386
02:06:16,840 --> 02:06:23,340
material and then the electrical tie-in. So probably for the last six months it's been a big push for

1387
02:06:23,340 --> 02:06:28,820
electrical. We're getting some delays there. We're getting some things that we

1388
02:06:28,820 --> 02:06:34,880
were promised that are not coming in. This is something that we're looking at

1389
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:40,180
close. I know there's some meetings today with the contractor, the engineer and

1390
02:06:40,180 --> 02:06:45,880
electrical company to nail some of this down so we can get closer because what

1391
02:06:45,880 --> 02:06:49,640
happens in this section of this project is they're testing it to make sure

1392
02:06:49,640 --> 02:06:52,800
that it's operating properly before we come in and start that thing in.

1393
02:06:53,600 --> 02:07:00,500
So they've got companies from all around the states coming in and doing their testing

1394
02:07:00,500 --> 02:07:02,980
and then we will do startups on it.

1395
02:07:03,500 --> 02:07:06,120
So exterior lighting, we cut a lot of this lighting out.

1396
02:07:06,340 --> 02:07:10,880
I know people that drove by and seen it doesn't look lit up as much as possible.

1397
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:14,340
We have cut about 16 lights out around the property.

1398
02:07:14,900 --> 02:07:16,440
We want to keep that light on the property.

1399
02:07:16,440 --> 02:07:18,620
We've got houses right across the street.

1400
02:07:20,060 --> 02:07:22,200
We don't want to look like the airport.

1401
02:07:22,900 --> 02:07:24,140
So we've got a lot of that laying out.

1402
02:07:24,260 --> 02:07:25,580
We're going to stay to building lighting.

1403
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,060
So we point down at the ground close to the building.

1404
02:07:30,060 --> 02:07:32,220
We've still got the secondary raw water pump station.

1405
02:07:32,380 --> 02:07:34,480
We cannot start this until we start to plant.

1406
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:38,340
And we're running off of the main lift station at the river and at the dam.

1407
02:07:38,820 --> 02:07:40,800
The secondary is in the raceway.

1408
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:46,260
As Davey County and his utility is very lucky to have two raw water pump stations.

1409
02:07:46,260 --> 02:07:51,560
There's not many water plants out there that can say that they have that so we're lucky for that. We're going to keep it

1410
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:58,200
This will be what we've run in situations like hopefully we don't have this weekend

1411
02:07:58,200 --> 02:08:04,160
We're power outages are probably going to be pretty widespread so what we'll do is we'll run this off the generator

1412
02:08:04,160 --> 02:08:10,040
That's at the plant instead of having an off-site generator so we cut costs by by running

1413
02:08:10,920 --> 02:08:13,480
off of one generator instead of having an off-site generator

1414
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:22,660
Of course, all the interior elements are going in now, flooring, middle work, doors, furnishings, et cetera, network, county IT's gaita.

1415
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:28,100
So we'll have about two or three different networks coming into this. We'll have our skated network coming in.

1416
02:08:28,180 --> 02:08:35,440
That will be totally isolated from the county when we went through. I know I haven't seen IT here yet. I know they're postponing until this afternoon.

1417
02:08:35,660 --> 02:08:39,960
But you're going to hear him talking about cybersecurity. I'm sure a lot of safety things.

1418
02:08:40,780 --> 02:08:46,140
We went through a lot of this. They told us we need to be separated from the county network

1419
02:08:46,860 --> 02:08:51,140
Totally that way of something has to the county our water system isn't affected

1420
02:08:51,140 --> 02:08:53,800
It's something has to water the county isn't affected

1421
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:58,400
We think that we've seen some of this stuff in Winston-Salem for side county and other counties

1422
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:02,020
This is how it kind of works. So we won't be totally separate from that

1423
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:06,260
Of course paving cleaning up mechanical testing training and operational testing

1424
02:09:07,340 --> 02:09:08,720
We've got on here

1425
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:17,120
In March of 2023, so the revised contract is $51,520,912.

1426
02:09:19,060 --> 02:09:24,760
So we have changed 1.4% to date and change orders.

1427
02:09:25,380 --> 02:09:31,740
So that roughly adds up to about $600,000 in the New York Times for his whole project.

1428
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:35,420
I can tell you about $270,000 of that was pavement alone.

1429
02:09:35,420 --> 02:09:41,520
So not a lot of changes in the project, we're pretty excited about that.

1430
02:09:41,860 --> 02:09:47,480
It's unheard of to do a project in this size with a 1.4% increase right now.

1431
02:09:47,860 --> 02:09:48,960
Let's hope we hold that number.

1432
02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:56,860
We plan on it, but again, we're proud of that 1.4%.

1433
02:09:57,340 --> 02:10:00,100
So we're saying final completion March 20, 23rd.

1434
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:01,800
Again, I've done some of these projects.

1435
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:02,980
I've looked at the schedule.

1436
02:10:03,620 --> 02:10:10,540
I'm going to be the bearer of bad news and say if they hit that March 23rd deadline, I'm going to be very excited, but I don't see it happening.

1437
02:10:12,500 --> 02:10:18,560
I've broke that news to Brian, and again, that's my opinion.

1438
02:10:21,240 --> 02:10:28,160
But I've talked to Brian about this, I've talked to others about this, I would rather be 60 days late on a project and have a successful project.

1439
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:35,180
And I would try to rush things and be on a schedule that we've been working on this with

1440
02:10:35,180 --> 02:10:37,660
Moxville and everything else since 2018.

1441
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:44,960
So I don't see 60 days hurting us, but again, I'm not sure of that.

1442
02:10:45,140 --> 02:10:45,720
That's my opinion.

1443
02:10:47,620 --> 02:10:51,280
I would prepare for that, but let's see.

1444
02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,000
So capital improvement, this is what I talked about.

1445
02:10:55,000 --> 02:11:00,120
But as you can see, we have backed off our CIP plan a lot.

1446
02:11:00,620 --> 02:11:03,880
So this all rolls into our rates rate increases.

1447
02:11:04,740 --> 02:11:10,200
You know, in January, 2024, we had ref tell us come in and did a rate analysis.

1448
02:11:10,540 --> 02:11:17,840
We also had them come back in in April of 2025.

1449
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:23,640
And the reason we've done that June of 2025, the reason we've done that is because we're

1450
02:11:23,640 --> 02:11:30,320
getting closer starting this plan. So in this capital improvement plan, you see water

1451
02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:34,220
and sewer extensions replacement. We still fund that replacement program. We're putting

1452
02:11:34,220 --> 02:11:40,460
$200,000 a year into a different part of our budget. Once we get enough to do these projects,

1453
02:11:41,220 --> 02:11:45,740
we'll look at the engineer, we'll look at the system. I know there's been a lot of questions

1454
02:11:45,740 --> 02:11:50,060
with the new development. Are we expanding the new development? No, love utilities does not

1455
02:11:50,060 --> 02:11:55,200
expand a new development. We expand the current and what's best for the system.

1456
02:11:55,800 --> 02:12:00,420
Okay, so we have to look at how our system works. A lot of talk about fire

1457
02:12:00,420 --> 02:12:06,680
suppression, you know, this system wasn't designed for fire suppression. We have

1458
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:11,480
really focused on that in the last 10 to 12 years, but we have to start at these

1459
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:16,420
plants and up size these lines to get this water out to be able to provide that.

1460
02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:22,460
You know, we've changed a lot in our ordinance over the years, so we have to start.

1461
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:27,100
So we look at our suppression and we look at the health of the system.

1462
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:35,720
I can't expand a 12-inch line down 801 from one side of the county to the other with nobody

1463
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:40,300
on it with no usage because then I'm going to become and have water quality issues.

1464
02:12:40,860 --> 02:12:43,220
Then we're sending letters out monthly to the state.

1465
02:12:43,220 --> 02:12:48,400
We're flushing this line daily to try to move water when we were looking at the scenario

1466
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:53,340
of building a water treatment plant versus tying on to Davidson water.

1467
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:58,400
We would have to flush about a mean and a half gallons a day through that line on coming

1468
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:02,040
down 64 just to keep us in state compliance.

1469
02:13:03,480 --> 02:13:05,880
So it was either use it all or use none.

1470
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:09,400
We have to look at several different things.

1471
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:11,600
So replacements aren't to new development.

1472
02:13:11,940 --> 02:13:15,940
That's basically them and we require them to do several things.

1473
02:13:16,120 --> 02:13:19,460
We require them to have fire flow, no lines less than six inch.

1474
02:13:20,340 --> 02:13:24,020
And it doesn't matter if they have to go back 500 feet or 10,000 feet.

1475
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:26,980
They have to meet certain hydraulic conditions

1476
02:13:26,980 --> 02:13:28,320
that we require in our system.

1477
02:13:30,900 --> 02:13:33,860
Skate upgrades, that's continuous, that's skate computers.

1478
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:37,260
Just to give you an idea, one of these computers at one of our plants,

1479
02:13:37,260 --> 02:13:41,200
you're probably looking at about $15,000 for the computer itself that doesn't

1480
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:46,060
include any outside. Every site I have from water tanks, listations, anything

1481
02:13:46,060 --> 02:13:50,980
like that, they have some type of skated there. It may not be a computer, but it's

1482
02:13:50,980 --> 02:13:56,760
skated. It's antennas that's moving this information around. Renovate and

1483
02:13:56,760 --> 02:14:02,500
replace PP and V. So what that is pumps, pipes and valves. So this is the money

1484
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:07,420
that we will that we've put in this fund over the last five years to renovate

1485
02:14:07,420 --> 02:14:13,500
Devon Road pump station. Again, this pump station has been in since about 1975, it's

1486
02:14:13,500 --> 02:14:19,700
seen its useful life. It's time to upgrade it. So sports road water treatment

1487
02:14:19,700 --> 02:14:23,820
explains and you can see we'll start designing that, not this budget year, but

1488
02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:27,920
next budget year, and we've got that pushed out. Again, we need to see how the

1489
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:31,560
system reacts to this new plant. I'm not saying our engineers aren't the smartest

1490
02:14:31,560 --> 02:14:37,280
people in the world and they are but it all changes once at histograms so we

1491
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:41,860
want a year to see how the system reacts to see how it reacts selling

1492
02:14:41,860 --> 02:14:45,840
mocks for a million gallons of water a day we need we really need to step back

1493
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:53,320
and just make sure that what we have said is right and then cooling the

1494
02:14:53,320 --> 02:14:59,640
nutrient removal as you all know I know several of you have been on the board

1495
02:14:59,640 --> 02:14:59,980
for me.

1496
02:15:02,500 --> 02:15:29,820
I've had something in my budget for this for the last 10 years. I don't know when they're going to do it. It's in my permit. I know at some point they're going to come to me and they're going to say, you have to meet high-rock, neutral removal, come July. I don't know when that day's going to be. This has been an ongoing thing that this has been about. So we've got it in there. We're showing them that we're somewhat ready to move forward.

1497
02:15:29,820 --> 02:15:34,680
with it, but you have to give us the limits to meet before we can decide what we do.

1498
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:41,000
And then Kool Me Clarifier Rebuilds, we're rebuilding one of those in this current budget

1499
02:15:41,000 --> 02:15:44,720
and we'll be rebuilding one out in about 2048.

1500
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:47,660
Any questions on any of this?

1501
02:15:47,860 --> 02:15:50,540
I know I'm kind of going fast and don't want information, so.

1502
02:15:51,620 --> 02:15:53,060
I have a question, Mr. Lambert.

1503
02:15:53,860 --> 02:15:56,920
I think you, at least maybe I didn't hear.

1504
02:15:56,920 --> 02:16:00,960
I think you jumped over the demolition of the cool me water treatment plant.

1505
02:16:01,160 --> 02:16:01,300
Yes.

1506
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:06,860
From a liability standpoint, what is the rationale for not doing that for six years?

1507
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:13,800
So what we've done is we have this currently in the project as an ad alternate and that

1508
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:20,760
was the price that come back, but this area is fenced in and for a liability purpose will

1509
02:16:20,760 --> 02:16:28,320
probably move that back. But we want to make sure that everything is in okay with the with the

1510
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:32,680
new plant and we've got a solid foundation before we start tomorrow.

1511
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:39,160
There's been some some questions

1512
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:48,180
about what do we do with it? There's been some questions about who gets what? So there's a lot of

1513
02:16:48,180 --> 02:16:54,240
history in that plan. There's a lot of things that people want. So we have to

1514
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:58,400
decide as a county is, you know, we're going to have to remove asbestos. We're

1515
02:16:58,400 --> 02:17:02,060
going to have to remove the leads. We're going to have to move a lot of pumps and

1516
02:17:02,060 --> 02:17:06,340
motors. But mainly Terry, this is just a concrete structure that we're going to

1517
02:17:06,340 --> 02:17:09,500
remove that not the top or foot off.

1518
02:17:13,800 --> 02:17:15,960
Like I say, I'm just looking at it from six

1519
02:17:15,960 --> 02:17:20,720
years of a building standing there. Yeah. Nothing good. And that probably will come

1520
02:17:20,720 --> 02:17:30,260
closer again we set our rates on this so I'm trying to keep that rate low. I'm trying

1521
02:17:30,260 --> 02:17:34,620
to keep that so if we have to push that out until we get some of these other projects

1522
02:17:34,620 --> 02:17:37,220
that we have to do done. Okay. We will.

1523
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:41,560
Anything else? Any more questions on that?

1524
02:17:45,980 --> 02:17:46,340
So let's

1525
02:17:46,340 --> 02:17:53,500
talk about that. Rate increases. So this year our rate increase will be 5%. As you can

1526
02:17:53,500 --> 02:17:59,720
see in the top, given how much operation maintenance and capital calls have risen, these

1527
02:17:59,720 --> 02:18:03,540
rate increases are still lower than what we are seeing in industry and in North Carolina.

1528
02:18:04,220 --> 02:18:05,200
That is not for me.

1529
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:11,320
That is from Elaine from Raft Ellis when we're going back and forth in some emails and I'm

1530
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:15,380
questioning some of this, I'm asking her, what are we seeing, what are we doing?

1531
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:20,880
She's telling me we're going to see a lot of double digit increases in water and sewer this

1532
02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:21,100
year.

1533
02:18:21,100 --> 02:18:29,260
I know some of our local town of Moxville, they did a double-digit increase last year.

1534
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:32,340
I have not asked them about their increase yet.

1535
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:37,120
We're still early on, but I'm going to say that you're going to see a lot of utilities

1536
02:18:37,520 --> 02:18:41,880
in the state of North Carolina with water and sewer rates 10% above the island choice.

1537
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:48,340
We're seeing prices four times in the amount that we've seen two years ago.

1538
02:18:49,880 --> 02:19:00,360
last year we had a reduction in our budget. This year we're going to stay flat, we're just a little above that, we're going to have some cost increases.

1539
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:13,700
We're doing some things, we're working with partners to try to save some money to try to do some different things for a couple of years to see how this goes but we're seeing prices increase quite dramatically from chemicals,

1540
02:19:14,440 --> 02:19:20,860
Arx pipes, just everything, so we're looking at a 5% increase across the world.

1541
02:19:25,500 --> 02:19:31,080
February 1st, again, utility looking at revenues,

1542
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:37,080
Maxwell will be put in an additional 350,000 gallons a day in sewer into the

1543
02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:42,540
Columbia wastewater treatment plant. So that will take them roughly around 600,000

1544
02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:48,020
gallons a day. They're contracted for $750,000 a day.

1545
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:53,000
We will begin selling them water.

1546
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:59,340
They have a bulk rate for water that's currently about $4.20 or $1,000 a gallon.

1547
02:20:04,050 --> 02:20:04,850
So those

1548
02:20:04,850 --> 02:20:17,430
revenues will come back to help us pay for a lot of this debt service that we have on that

1549
02:20:17,430 --> 02:20:23,150
good thing for you all to stand up and be able to take credit for because doing small

1550
02:20:23,150 --> 02:20:29,190
rate increases of the two and three percent over the years has allowed you to stay well

1551
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:36,410
below the national and state average of the rate increase. So take all the credit in the

1552
02:20:36,410 --> 02:20:40,650
world for that because you've done a great job of being able to keep those smaller increases

1553
02:20:40,650 --> 02:20:43,430
through the years to be able to be where you are now.

1554
02:20:43,430 --> 02:20:44,310
Do

1555
02:20:47,130 --> 02:20:48,110
they have any questions?

1556
02:20:48,730 --> 02:20:49,730
Do they have anything for Johnny?

1557
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:55,760
Thank you, sir.

1558
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:56,480
Thank you all.

1559
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:57,140
Thank you, sir.

1560
02:20:59,560 --> 02:20:59,840
Okay.

1561
02:21:00,320 --> 02:21:02,000
So we are ahead of schedule.

1562
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:07,040
It is time for what we had scheduled for a lunch break and our lunch is here.

1563
02:21:08,720 --> 02:21:13,660
I did was not aware what we do have a couple commissioners that need to get out earlier this afternoon.

1564
02:21:14,060 --> 02:21:15,720
But I'm going to be really transparent.

1565
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:19,080
I want to run to the senior center fair for just a moment.

1566
02:21:19,080 --> 02:21:27,020
So, um, I would like to say 30 minutes, but I think we better do 45, so we'll still be ahead of schedule.

1567
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:35,920
So, um, is that going to mess up Rodney, Joseph, Cameron, is that going to mess you all up if I do all that?

1568
02:21:36,020 --> 02:21:36,220
Okay.

1569
02:21:37,940 --> 02:21:41,600
So, let's say we'll be back here at 12.45.

1570
02:21:42,300 --> 02:21:42,640
Okay.

1571
02:26:11,770 --> 02:26:12,470
I mean,

1572
02:26:15,470 --> 02:26:19,150
that would be my opinion since he was here at his appointed time.

1573
02:26:19,390 --> 02:26:24,870
So let's go ahead with safe and healthy community first and then we'll circle back around.

1574
02:26:25,410 --> 02:26:26,330
We'll ring you.

1575
02:26:26,690 --> 02:26:26,890
Hey,

1576
02:26:42,750 --> 02:26:43,150
you're out.

1577
02:26:43,430 --> 02:26:43,930
Good afternoon.

1578
02:26:45,710 --> 02:26:52,290
The first thing I just wanted to say is we're looking or I'd like to add two additional telecommunicators

1579
02:26:52,290 --> 02:26:54,930
to help offset the peak time,

1580
02:26:55,430 --> 02:26:56,950
SIS primary call-taking,

1581
02:26:57,670 --> 02:26:59,390
SIS on on-scene tack channels.

1582
02:26:59,850 --> 02:27:02,770
We are requested now to monitor

1583
02:27:02,770 --> 02:27:04,410
the on-scene channels more and more.

1584
02:27:05,330 --> 02:27:06,690
That is a safety aspect.

1585
02:27:06,890 --> 02:27:11,610
It is a, let's say a best safety practice,

1586
02:27:11,610 --> 02:27:14,570
so to speak, to have your communication centers

1587
02:27:14,570 --> 02:27:15,410
monitor and that.

1588
02:27:16,190 --> 02:27:18,950
And I'd like to put in a dedicated training coordinator

1589
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:21,590
to ensure consistent training, up-to-date training,

1590
02:27:22,510 --> 02:27:26,950
and then to help staff develop throughout specific goals.

1591
02:27:28,330 --> 02:27:31,570
Those are kind of the three positions that I'm requesting this year.

1592
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:36,020
And the next thing I want to kind of talk about,

1593
02:27:36,880 --> 02:27:40,340
you kind of can join with this, is priority dispatch,

1594
02:27:40,900 --> 02:27:43,980
AI skills lab specifically for training.

1595
02:27:44,780 --> 02:27:48,500
Now this is from, this is eligible for the E-901 fund,

1596
02:27:48,500 --> 02:27:51,440
So it doesn't come out of the general budget, but I wanted to bring this up.

1597
02:27:52,020 --> 02:27:53,920
I've got to play with this tool a little bit.

1598
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:56,340
Some of the surrounding counties, Wilts County uses this.

1599
02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:58,220
This is phenomenal.

1600
02:27:58,440 --> 02:28:03,900
This is kind of a tool that we can use to replicate real call scenarios for

1601
02:28:03,900 --> 02:28:04,300
practicing.

1602
02:28:05,740 --> 02:28:07,140
It is very neat.

1603
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:07,860
It brings up.

1604
02:28:08,320 --> 02:28:10,860
We could program it to actually do a type of call.

1605
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:12,960
So for example, someone's having chest pains.

1606
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:14,000
It's a real collar.

1607
02:28:14,680 --> 02:28:18,100
If the telecommunicator asks a question more than once,

1608
02:28:18,100 --> 02:28:19,360
It will be like a real person.

1609
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:20,740
You've already asked me that one time.

1610
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:22,920
It is very neat.

1611
02:28:23,080 --> 02:28:28,320
It is something our new telecommunicators, as they are getting certified, would benefit

1612
02:28:28,320 --> 02:28:32,860
tremendously on this right now, it's just kind of us sitting down with them, coming up with

1613
02:28:32,860 --> 02:28:35,920
scenarios in our heads, practicing those type of calls.

1614
02:28:36,220 --> 02:28:40,000
But this is something that is self-generated through AI.

1615
02:28:40,380 --> 02:28:41,740
They can sit down with the headset on.

1616
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:44,060
It will plug in real-type call scenarios.

1617
02:28:44,060 --> 02:28:50,580
You can change it to a male collar, female collar, difficult accident, to give them some real-life

1618
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:55,360
Availability and that actually comes from the eat and I want fun through state fundings

1619
02:28:55,360 --> 02:28:58,840
And then I like to outsource our

1620
02:28:59,720 --> 02:29:00,300
QPR

1621
02:29:01,060 --> 02:29:05,880
To get our quality assurance for our fire and police calls. We've been doing this with medical

1622
02:29:06,540 --> 02:29:13,900
Since about October of last year. We've gotten great feedback on this. This is a third party that pulls

1623
02:29:14,060 --> 02:29:20,840
our calls, medical calls, they QAIM, it is completely neutral, it is an independent person,

1624
02:29:21,100 --> 02:29:24,880
they send the scores back about how well the telecommunicator did and what they need

1625
02:29:24,880 --> 02:29:30,580
to do corrections on, and then we as a staff address that directly as, so a training person

1626
02:29:30,580 --> 02:29:35,360
would kind of take over this duty to get this information back to the staff, they can pull

1627
02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:41,280
out what they're struggling on, maybe it's their flow through the call protocol to work

1628
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:47,700
on that and so this would be something that we would get from that and that's that's kind

1629
02:29:47,700 --> 02:29:52,480
of what I'm going to put in here. Try to keep it short, sweet.

1630
02:29:52,480 --> 02:29:59,760
what's your cost on the ASK heels?

1631
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:16,820
And the outsourcing, the QBR. The outsourcing is going to be about, I think, five to six in general. And then the AI source is going to be around three, if I remember off the top of my head from the quotes I got. The 3000 a year. Yes.

1632
02:30:19,380 --> 02:30:30,860
And it would be a locked-end or that situation. I can get those definitive quotes later on when I got those back. I thought that I was looking for JD.

1633
02:30:30,860 --> 02:30:38,080
I thought that the system that Steve Jarros got for JD could do that.

1634
02:30:39,880 --> 02:30:41,120
We've not discussed that.

1635
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,780
Are you talking about the flock system?

1636
02:30:44,180 --> 02:30:44,800
No, his.

1637
02:30:46,480 --> 02:30:46,860
Okay.

1638
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:47,320
Yeah.

1639
02:30:48,200 --> 02:30:53,280
Oh, no, that's, I think that's more for specific field law enforcement use.

1640
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:58,340
Now, I would be happy to talk to JD to see if that would be something we could incorporate on that.

1641
02:30:58,580 --> 02:30:58,980
Absolutely.

1642
02:30:59,620 --> 02:31:05,940
Yeah, I'll definitely follow up with him on that. I mean, I've been through his virtual thing and it is neat.

1643
02:31:07,620 --> 02:31:11,040
Because I know it has a lot of the quality that you're mentioning.

1644
02:31:13,620 --> 02:31:14,260
Anybody else?

1645
02:31:16,310 --> 02:31:20,550
How much, I mean, approximately what's the position that you're asking for?

1646
02:31:21,350 --> 02:31:24,050
You don't have to go into fringes and stuff because we...

1647
02:31:24,050 --> 02:31:32,730
No, so I do know that I would be asking for two entry level telecommunicators, which would be about 36 the entry level as well

1648
02:31:32,730 --> 02:31:45,930
we start out now at that scale. The training person probably would be an internal, we'd have to look at a step or a grade of what that would be once we get to that process, but I know the two TCs would be an entry level position.

1649
02:31:46,750 --> 02:31:50,110
But would that be three total positions or just two?

1650
02:31:50,490 --> 02:31:56,790
Well, two to start out with and then based on what an internal then yes it could develop

1651
02:31:56,790 --> 02:31:58,590
into a third to replace that.

1652
02:32:00,920 --> 02:32:04,440
Don't you already have someone who has the title of training officer?

1653
02:32:04,540 --> 02:32:09,820
Well it's a supervisor so they perform two functions, they supervise a shift plus they try

1654
02:32:09,820 --> 02:32:14,460
to coordinate our training and what I'm trying to do is separate those two to actually give

1655
02:32:14,460 --> 02:32:18,060
them more dedication to the training and then the supervisor have more

1656
02:32:18,060 --> 02:32:19,920
dedicating to actually own shifts.

1657
02:32:23,050 --> 02:32:27,110
If that person who's already named that did not receive this position they

1658
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:32,150
would be entitled to a pay cut because their responsibilities were less

1659
02:32:32,150 --> 02:32:32,670
incorrect.

1660
02:32:33,490 --> 02:32:34,330
Uh, potentially.

1661
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:35,650
Yeah, that's something we'll have to review.

1662
02:32:45,500 --> 02:32:46,460
I guess the only...

1663
02:32:46,460 --> 02:32:47,080
The only...

1664
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:50,980
What would the...

1665
02:32:50,980 --> 02:32:53,900
What would the dedicated training coordinator

1666
02:32:53,900 --> 02:33:01,700
to bring the process that would bring more value than the use of the AI.

1667
02:33:03,540 --> 02:33:09,860
Well, somebody would still have to kind of oversee the AI input of what we need to focus

1668
02:33:09,860 --> 02:33:14,940
on in those skills, build that data in there, that program to set that up, and that person

1669
02:33:14,940 --> 02:33:21,920
would be responsible for department-wide skill labs, or department-wide use, or individuals

1670
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:26,160
us that come back when we do our quality control to see if there's an individual that is lacking

1671
02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:30,960
in a certain, that person would be the sole dedicated person to range that training specifically

1672
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:33,260
for them through the skills lab.

1673
02:33:46,860 --> 02:33:51,420
They would just really basically be sharing some of this outsourcing

1674
02:33:51,420 --> 02:33:52,960
with your employees. Right.

1675
02:33:55,580 --> 02:33:58,940
Taken the data we received from the outsourcing and then implement them.

1676
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:03,860
We still have to do the internal. We get the information on the outsourced, but we are the ones that

1677
02:34:03,860 --> 02:34:06,040
still have to disseminate that directly to the staff.

1678
02:34:09,670 --> 02:34:11,210
How is that being done now?

1679
02:34:11,530 --> 02:34:14,750
Right now it's done between me and the supervisors.

1680
02:34:15,250 --> 02:34:18,350
When we get this feedback, we give it to the staff.

1681
02:34:18,450 --> 02:34:19,770
We review it with them on the calls.

1682
02:34:20,950 --> 02:34:22,270
And then we go from there.

1683
02:34:22,770 --> 02:34:24,710
The training person would be specifically dedicated

1684
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:27,590
to that reviewing and setting down 101

1685
02:34:27,590 --> 02:34:32,580
within to make sure everything is processed out.

1686
02:34:34,340 --> 02:34:36,760
Is that happening like on a daily basis?

1687
02:34:37,420 --> 02:34:42,260
They're their cues are done weekly so we've received that data usually on a

1688
02:34:42,760 --> 02:34:46,860
towards the end of the week and then we see if we have any non-compliance and

1689
02:34:46,860 --> 02:34:50,880
the way to review those non-compliance is with the staff that they'll buy.

1690
02:34:57,640 --> 02:34:59,460
Anyone else have anything for Rodden?

1691
02:35:02,990 --> 02:35:03,750
Thank you sir.

1692
02:35:03,930 --> 02:35:04,050
Yep.

1693
02:35:04,670 --> 02:35:05,670
Thank you.

1694
02:35:06,630 --> 02:35:07,070
Jason?

1695
02:35:18,930 --> 02:35:20,550
I'm Jared and board thank you for opening this.

1696
02:35:24,250 --> 02:35:29,750
Some of the stuff that we're looking at as part of personnel requests, we're looking

1697
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:34,390
at a new position for the community paramedic, which is going to go through and help support

1698
02:35:34,390 --> 02:35:39,150
with the functions of the AMS, along with adding in the possibility of doing telehealth

1699
02:35:39,150 --> 02:35:39,690
programs.

1700
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:47,630
Versailles County is actually going to partner with us and other AMS agencies on an app called

1701
02:35:47,630 --> 02:35:52,610
Pulsera and it will give us that capability to do the telehealth when we go out to Dr.

1702
02:35:52,750 --> 02:35:56,890
Barb, homes to do visits and everything, so there are several things that's going

1703
02:35:56,890 --> 02:35:57,790
to go on with those.

1704
02:35:58,550 --> 02:36:04,890
Future positions that we're looking at is looking at adding eight paramedics and five EMTs and

1705
02:36:04,890 --> 02:36:09,790
with that breakdown of the four paramedics and two and four EMTs for the eastern side of

1706
02:36:09,790 --> 02:36:10,090
the county.

1707
02:36:10,750 --> 02:36:14,930
And then another four paramedics for a QRV if we go through and able to get something on

1708
02:36:14,930 --> 02:36:19,950
at Northwest Corner, when a QRV, but that quick response to the people, be able to cut

1709
02:36:19,950 --> 02:36:24,850
down on treatment times until a transport truck's able to come in. And then working along

1710
02:36:24,850 --> 02:36:31,890
with the CHS, we're looking at work to come on an emergency medical transport, and that's

1711
02:36:31,890 --> 02:36:37,250
the reason for the fifth EMT in there, to be able to transport, Medicaid, Medicare patients,

1712
02:36:37,470 --> 02:36:41,970
two doctors offices that's not requiring an ambulance from the convalescent service.

1713
02:36:44,390 --> 02:36:51,550
So the, that, when you say future, you mean how far into the future?

1714
02:36:52,850 --> 02:36:56,930
I agree with Mr. Barnett when we had our discussions and all, we don't need to, we've

1715
02:36:56,930 --> 02:37:00,850
got to have places to put people so when we go through and have places to put on, that's

1716
02:37:00,850 --> 02:37:03,930
when we need to go through and really get those individuals out and in.

1717
02:37:04,210 --> 02:37:08,930
So the eastern side, I mean the coal volume's increasing, we had 956 calls that just came

1718
02:37:08,930 --> 02:37:12,890
out of David Medical Center on top of the regular calls that we're going through and having.

1719
02:37:12,890 --> 02:37:17,110
so we'd need something over there but also I know that we're looking on that

1720
02:37:17,110 --> 02:37:22,770
Northwest corner to add in the station five over there so we're trying to

1721
02:37:22,770 --> 02:37:26,510
go through and prepare and get everything in line and so you all know that

1722
02:37:26,510 --> 02:37:29,710
when we start making these steps then we know that that's the person mail that

1723
02:37:29,710 --> 02:37:35,290
we need to go through and add. So that's your question. Like if we had if we had a

1724
02:37:35,290 --> 02:37:39,730
building for the Northwest side then we'd probably be less future more immediate

1725
02:37:39,730 --> 02:37:44,290
media being next year but not having a facility in place there's really not

1726
02:37:44,290 --> 02:37:49,970
any direct need to budget for it until you cross that bridge. I know that's

1727
02:37:49,970 --> 02:37:55,690
something that we've talked about and we don't want to not inform you of that

1728
02:37:55,690 --> 02:38:03,270
same thing on the that me to run side as we see their development growing you

1729
02:38:03,690 --> 02:38:08,190
you guys know a lot of a lot of households and facilities are going in over

1730
02:38:08,190 --> 02:38:10,570
there. It's the matter of time.

1731
02:38:20,570 --> 02:38:24,310
So, you're adding another community

1732
02:38:24,310 --> 02:38:27,690
paramedic. We already have community paramedic. Yes, we're going to add an

1733
02:38:27,690 --> 02:38:33,390
additional cause as we're trying to get through and restructure because I've

1734
02:38:33,390 --> 02:38:40,410
got two, I've got two administrators that have recently retired or retiring and so

1735
02:38:40,410 --> 02:38:43,830
we're trying to divide the workload out so we're looking at how to go through and

1736
02:38:43,830 --> 02:38:48,110
structure and Greg has been vital in a lot of our growth and special in that

1737
02:38:48,110 --> 02:38:52,290
community paramedic side. So we're wanting to go through and add some one LC on

1738
02:38:52,290 --> 02:38:56,090
over there because of the growth of the program and looking at that

1739
02:38:56,090 --> 02:39:03,830
restructure for. So we would have we've got Kathy and someone right now who

1740
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:07,990
just want to try to add an additional because if we do restructure and we move

1741
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:11,990
and have Greg involved and it's kind of hard to go through and have him doing a lot

1742
02:39:11,990 --> 02:39:14,390
of the stuff that he's been doing with along with the rest of the day.

1743
02:39:22,080 --> 02:39:26,220
Um really by adding that community paramedic we need to add a vehicle for that

1744
02:39:26,220 --> 02:39:30,240
oncoming one um because of the going through with the workload that we've

1745
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:34,840
Greg still got a vehicle and then try to have the two working a day so one of them's

1746
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:40,680
actually be replacing him on some of those roles. Um so what about the two vehicles

1747
02:39:40,680 --> 02:39:44,420
that that came off the road with your retirement? I've got one of them actually

1748
02:39:44,420 --> 02:39:50,920
be in a supervisory vehicle right now. So that's what Andy's was. And then one for that

1749
02:39:50,920 --> 02:39:55,340
branch guy, then what I'm looking at is some of the restructure that we're looking at because

1750
02:39:55,980 --> 02:40:00,520
let me may or may not know that I'm retiring this year. So we're trying to go through and get

1751
02:40:00,520 --> 02:40:06,420
positions and everything in line. We're looking at some of Mr. Barnett and the admin team has done some

1752
02:40:06,420 --> 02:40:11,080
discussions on how we're going to restructure EMS. So if we're putting if we're able to put in

1753
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:17,160
someone in an assistant role in that vehicle would go to them. So all the vehicles

1754
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:21,120
were still accounted for and so that's that's kind of what we're doing out of

1755
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:24,340
there. So I didn't ask for a supervisor vehicle because we've already got

1756
02:40:24,340 --> 02:40:32,540
that that's 2016 QRV that they're in. And so the tire I guess is the tire

1757
02:40:32,540 --> 02:40:39,520
that's been supervisors have been driving. That's rotated to Logan. So because

1758
02:40:39,520 --> 02:40:45,180
one he ended up on JD we ended up getting that one that was a 2013 equipment

1759
02:40:50,140 --> 02:40:54,700
replaced what we're going through and looking at on this is we're looking at

1760
02:40:54,700 --> 02:40:59,240
replacing some of the monitors I have six monitors that is at the end of life

1761
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:05,740
and the problem that we're running into is the new like pay 35s is the name of the model

1762
02:41:05,740 --> 02:41:10,500
and everything they take different batteries different cables different pads so

1763
02:41:10,500 --> 02:41:16,680
if I go through and start changing out the like current monitors that we have

1764
02:41:16,680 --> 02:41:19,740
we're looking at the logistical I think we're going to be seeing the logistical

1765
02:41:19,740 --> 02:41:23,140
problems I don't want some like showing up with the wrong monitor with the wrong

1766
02:41:23,140 --> 02:41:27,520
setting cables and all that so we're looking at replacing all of them so that way

1767
02:41:27,520 --> 02:41:30,760
we're all in compliance and we don't have those accidents or anything that comes

1768
02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:37,920
up the life pack CR2 AEDs last year's budget was able to go through and purchase

1769
02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:42,120
These are the AED's that's in all the public access buildings of the county.

1770
02:41:42,940 --> 02:41:46,680
So what we're doing with those is that we get everything back up the standard

1771
02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:49,420
and those were approaching end of life.

1772
02:41:49,940 --> 02:41:50,840
So that puts it there.

1773
02:41:51,780 --> 02:41:54,560
So we're looking at this, we're actually looking at different things

1774
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:58,340
whether doing a lease program over six years to pay for all this

1775
02:41:58,730 --> 02:42:02,580
or we're not paying for them all at one time, coming out of it.

1776
02:42:03,540 --> 02:42:05,420
Joseph, can I ask you a question about that?

1777
02:42:05,420 --> 02:42:15,380
Do we? Is there any grant money available for those AEDs for like nonprofits, churches?

1778
02:42:16,860 --> 02:42:26,860
Does that question make sense? It does. AED Supercenter or an AED, there's different ones that have the grants and everything out there.

1779
02:42:26,860 --> 02:42:32,120
just I'm whenever they've got them running and applying for them, but there is different

1780
02:42:32,120 --> 02:42:33,660
ones for non-profits and all.

1781
02:42:34,180 --> 02:42:39,600
Does the nonprofit have to do that or do we do that as a county and then?

1782
02:42:39,780 --> 02:42:43,780
Whoever's getting whoever's needing it would be the one doing the request for.

1783
02:42:43,880 --> 02:42:46,440
Do you be the resource person that they would contact?

1784
02:42:47,120 --> 02:42:49,360
They can reach out to me and I can help guide them on that.

1785
02:42:51,020 --> 02:42:56,240
Because our church is really, we have a lot of smaller mid-sized churches out of it.

1786
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:02,540
We were at Calvary West this past weekend on this past Sunday, but you know, they have a lot of resources.

1787
02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:10,760
We have a lot of churches in David County that don't necessarily have those resources, but they do need, they do need those.

1788
02:43:11,180 --> 02:43:20,520
So good if we can use our skills to help them try to find those.

1789
02:43:22,900 --> 02:43:24,900
That's not a problem. We can help with that.

1790
02:43:26,260 --> 02:43:37,840
If you look in the other part of the equipment we have ventilators in there, whenever I came in in 22, in the 22, 23 budget was able to go through and get several ventilators, so we've gone on all the trucks.

1791
02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:49,420
There to the point now that we need to start thinking ahead of how to go through and replace these because the ventilators we have have CPAP, so it helps a lot with the respiratory.

1792
02:43:49,420 --> 02:43:58,720
It's cut down on a lot of the event skills that we've had to go through and do so now we're looking at trying to update them and get and stay with the right and the same service that we're already providing.

1793
02:43:59,640 --> 02:44:05,160
The IV pumps with those are similar to what the hospitals have with their smaller.

1794
02:44:05,440 --> 02:44:14,340
They're we're able to program on the medications that we need to go through and give by just hitting the button and say everything's pre-programmed so there won't be any mistakes as far as medical.

1795
02:44:15,820 --> 02:44:19,760
stuff as far as medications being administered wrong or anything like that, so you're not

1796
02:44:19,760 --> 02:44:24,400
going to give them too much or too little, so it goes by that, so that's something new

1797
02:44:24,400 --> 02:44:27,880
that we're wanting to go through and add in to the agency.

1798
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,160
Technology, we're looking at safety.

1799
02:44:31,820 --> 02:44:36,000
What we have now on the trucks is computers in the front with the big monitors that stick

1800
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:39,960
up, so sometimes it's hard to see the mirrors and all this other, and we've kind of watched

1801
02:44:39,960 --> 02:44:44,140
with the fire department's done with Cameron in the Fire Marshal's office as well by using

1802
02:44:44,140 --> 02:44:49,080
and the iPads so we're looking at being able to take and make it smaller and that's got

1803
02:44:49,080 --> 02:44:52,680
the CAD terminal on it so they can check and route on the scene and see what they're needing

1804
02:44:52,680 --> 02:44:53,060
to see.

1805
02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:58,280
And then also putting the different iPads in the back of the truck so that wouldn't be mounted

1806
02:44:58,280 --> 02:44:58,820
in stationary.

1807
02:44:59,380 --> 02:44:59,960
the other one.

1808
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980
We've able to go through and actually help as far as getting names and addresses correct on the first time by scanning the driver's license and all. So that's going to help with the billing company and as far as helping with the revenue because there's a lot of times misspelled names is the date of birth's wrong. Different things and sometimes it's by hitting the button's wrong, but this would actually be able to scan it and get it medications while scanning the meds that they have and be able to put into our reporting system. And I'm

1809
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:34,200
also help with the telemedicine part when we start going out like whether, like if

1810
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:38,120
it gets icy, that way we can actually call into the hospital. Doctors can see what's

1811
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:44,640
going on and also we've got different ways of moving the agency forward. The Dale Rugged

1812
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:48,940
Pro set up, this is what the community paramedic already is using because they've got, they're

1813
02:45:48,940 --> 02:45:54,080
doing their computer and the truck as a desktop in their office and it stays with them and

1814
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:55,080
every week while the time.

1815
02:45:59,730 --> 02:46:00,350
Any questions?

1816
02:46:02,330 --> 02:46:07,490
I have a question on your out. Fleet, have you taken delivery of all the ambulances that

1817
02:46:07,490 --> 02:46:09,910
we had back ordered that had been back ordered forever?

1818
02:46:10,870 --> 02:46:14,650
No, well we've got the one we've got the one in remount right now.

1819
02:46:15,250 --> 02:46:23,610
We have done a, a, we put in a letter of intent on three and those would become

1820
02:46:23,610 --> 02:46:28,070
available this year. So that would give us three ambulances. We've been

1821
02:46:28,070 --> 02:46:32,990
Mr. Barnett and the admin teams have been working on the plan to get through and get all that that's where to lay

1822
02:46:35,480 --> 02:46:37,980
So if we've got our name in the hat for three

1823
02:46:40,680 --> 02:46:42,420
Why is it not on here?

1824
02:46:43,140 --> 02:46:49,340
There's part of them as part of the plans that we had had looking at getting those. I mean it was it's

1825
02:46:49,960 --> 02:46:51,760
I can defer to Mr. Barnett

1826
02:46:52,400 --> 02:46:54,960
Because they'd come in this year for us to consider

1827
02:46:57,500 --> 02:46:59,900
We're taking delivery in 6.30.26

1828
02:46:59,900 --> 02:47:05,760
with if they stay on schedule. Now that was one time that was October, one time

1829
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:10,160
that was in November, so we have to wait for those opportunities to come up. But

1830
02:47:10,820 --> 02:47:13,800
we're hoping before this year's out, we'll have something in front of you.

1831
02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:17,580
We'll just add them to the budget if they become available.

1832
02:47:18,080 --> 02:47:26,120
By way of fun balance. And with ambulances, you might be another two years

1833
02:47:26,120 --> 02:47:31,800
out before you can get back in the groove to get them. This would bring our fleet. We have

1834
02:47:33,540 --> 02:47:39,200
several vehicles over 100,000 miles, right? We have some over 250,000 miles. Yeah, we've

1835
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:45,780
got two, so we've got two 68, two 18. Now, we've been lucky. We've only, I mean, we have issues with

1836
02:47:45,780 --> 02:47:49,800
our vehicles. Anything mechanical. We don't have issues. We had one in an accident here recently,

1837
02:47:50,520 --> 02:48:01,520
But our older vehicles are lasting, but lastly, I mean, we've had not this fiscal year but last fiscal year we had a situation transporting someone in a vehicle when it broke down.

1838
02:48:02,140 --> 02:48:08,000
Luckily, it wasn't a major medical emergency, but we don't need that type of attention.

1839
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:12,240
We had that this year didn't we just have that recently have a

1840
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:15,940
truck there then what's the patient not with a patient okay patient what it was

1841
02:48:15,940 --> 02:48:23,240
already dropped off yes okay so if it says 6 30 26 is that in I mean that

1842
02:48:23,240 --> 02:48:28,060
date obviously is within the context of the current budget was that money

1843
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:33,800
allocated for those three during the current budget it wasn't allocated it was

1844
02:48:33,800 --> 02:48:39,480
Because it was, we put in the request so that we could bring it to you so that we could

1845
02:48:39,480 --> 02:48:40,240
get on the list.

1846
02:48:41,700 --> 02:48:44,840
We don't want to miss out an opportunity if there's one available.

1847
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:49,320
This is why we build up fund balance and if we don't, I mean, I can tell you somebody

1848
02:48:49,320 --> 02:48:50,600
else will jump in and take them.

1849
02:48:52,020 --> 02:48:56,660
So what is the optimum number of ambulances here at the park?

1850
02:48:57,100 --> 02:48:57,640
Right now, 12.

1851
02:48:57,640 --> 02:49:03,860
because of the convalescent service and the 9-1 service so that the three

1852
02:49:03,860 --> 02:49:09,380
that we spoke for would give us take care of the 16's that have the 278-268-218

1853
02:49:09,380 --> 02:49:17,060
on the mileage now the 21's and all is already at 170,000 we need to go

1854
02:49:17,060 --> 02:49:22,260
ahead and be speaking for the next round I've got a letter in already yeah we need

1855
02:49:22,260 --> 02:49:24,160
We need to get on the list.

1856
02:49:28,970 --> 02:49:37,870
Question about the retirements, the reorganization, I guess that's the right term.

1857
02:49:38,750 --> 02:49:47,350
So when you go back and look at this new community paramedic, what does the reorganization

1858
02:49:47,350 --> 02:49:51,130
along with the community paramedic look like as far as positions?

1859
02:49:51,230 --> 02:49:52,490
Just one more position?

1860
02:49:52,490 --> 02:49:55,890
right now with the community what we're looking at is the community

1861
02:49:55,890 --> 02:49:59,570
paramedic program in the combo lessons service was following following with

1862
02:49:59,570 --> 02:50:03,610
the specialty services division so that would be that that individual will be

1863
02:50:03,610 --> 02:50:08,490
over the combo lesson and the community paramedic so you're taking you're taking

1864
02:50:08,490 --> 02:50:14,490
two of the three parts of the EMS under one individual so with the other

1865
02:50:14,490 --> 02:50:18,310
stuff coming up then you would still have the the director spot working in

1866
02:50:18,310 --> 02:50:22,310
assistant, the director, and then somebody, as far as an office assistant,

1867
02:50:22,550 --> 02:50:27,170
because when you take 20 years or more plus of experience, you can't put that

1868
02:50:27,170 --> 02:50:30,490
on a brand new person and then go right into that same role so you've got to

1869
02:50:30,490 --> 02:50:31,350
divide everything out.

1870
02:50:33,880 --> 02:50:35,640
And most of the conversation that we've had

1871
02:50:35,640 --> 02:50:40,200
about the reorganization would take place this year. If we can get everything

1872
02:50:40,200 --> 02:50:45,720
administratively lined up which we've taken several important steps, we really

1873
02:50:45,720 --> 02:50:51,620
hope to have more ready in February, you know, we could be looking as early or late March

1874
02:50:51,620 --> 02:50:52,100
or April.

1875
02:50:55,010 --> 02:51:00,190
I've gave Mr. Barnett a succession plan for myself so we, because as you all know, I've

1876
02:51:00,190 --> 02:51:04,330
gave my heart and soul to this organization and I want it to be in good hands and make

1877
02:51:04,330 --> 02:51:07,830
sure that the island took care of the board took care of, so we've got everything.

1878
02:51:08,630 --> 02:51:09,710
So we've got a plan in place.

1879
02:51:10,010 --> 02:51:13,470
I mean, everybody on the admin team knows how that's going to go through more.

1880
02:51:17,430 --> 02:51:20,430
The truck that was in the accident, how bad was it damaged?

1881
02:51:21,250 --> 02:51:25,730
The estimates are coming back anywhere from $25,000 to $5,000 to fix it.

1882
02:51:25,930 --> 02:51:27,610
Is it still on the road? Did I have to come back?

1883
02:51:27,850 --> 02:51:31,710
No, it could still be driven. I was just trying to get all the estimates and everything done.

1884
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:36,660
$5,000 to $25,000.

1885
02:51:37,160 --> 02:51:39,500
From $2,500 to $5,000.

1886
02:51:39,600 --> 02:51:40,740
Oh, okay.

1887
02:51:42,180 --> 02:51:45,040
The bumper's paying for itself because that's those big bumpers on the front.

1888
02:51:52,930 --> 02:51:53,970
Anything else for Joseph?

1889
02:51:57,980 --> 02:52:19,400
I will ask this and I'm sure we'll see it that these equipment requests do you have a dollar figure of what those I've got a few of them the ventilators are around 7000 a piece the IV pumps are around 3000 a piece.

1890
02:52:19,960 --> 02:52:22,600
So, I mean, that's the big things.

1891
02:52:22,880 --> 02:52:25,760
The life pack monitors and the AEDs on the six years,

1892
02:52:26,060 --> 02:52:27,540
I think we'd end up paying,

1893
02:52:29,440 --> 02:52:30,940
let me find it, I get it right here, I'm sorry.

1894
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:39,560
With the monitors, with the finance and everything,

1895
02:52:39,740 --> 02:52:44,340
would be $245,282 a year for six years.

1896
02:52:44,720 --> 02:52:47,240
That would take care of all the monitors and all the AEDs,

1897
02:52:47,660 --> 02:52:49,500
along with the services that come out

1898
02:52:49,500 --> 02:52:52,720
and do the management of them and upgrades.

1899
02:52:52,980 --> 02:52:54,020
You wouldn't have to buy monitors

1900
02:52:54,020 --> 02:52:55,520
for about 15 years.

1901
02:52:56,280 --> 02:52:58,100
Then you said the ventilators worked.

1902
02:52:58,480 --> 02:52:58,920
What now?

1903
02:52:59,700 --> 02:53:00,400
7,000.

1904
02:53:00,580 --> 02:53:02,040
7,000 times.

1905
02:53:02,240 --> 02:53:03,520
One per truck?

1906
02:53:03,640 --> 02:53:04,060
One per truck.

1907
02:53:04,600 --> 02:53:05,780
7,000 times 12.

1908
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:07,760
I've got it right here.

1909
02:53:13,060 --> 02:53:14,800
The monitors are about 60,

1910
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:16,900
61, 62 piece.

1911
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:18,580
The ventilators,

1912
02:53:19,540 --> 02:53:20,940
total of all of it together,

1913
02:53:20,940 --> 02:53:21,880
is going to be about 94,

1914
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:22,520
because that's about,

1915
02:53:22,640 --> 02:53:24,420
I thought it was 70, 76,

1916
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:25,180
somewhere up in there.

1917
02:53:25,180 --> 02:53:28,200
and then for the IV pumps will be about 36,000.

1918
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:35,340
As you can see, the truck itself isn't cheap

1919
02:53:36,320 --> 02:53:38,460
and there's nothing cheap in the truck.

1920
02:53:39,660 --> 02:53:41,460
Well, that's because it's critical.

1921
02:53:42,260 --> 02:53:45,120
And it has to be available so they know that.

1922
02:53:45,280 --> 02:53:47,100
So they can charge us whatever they want to charge us.

1923
02:53:47,240 --> 02:53:48,200
But we have to have it.

1924
02:53:48,540 --> 02:53:49,360
So thank

1925
02:53:53,970 --> 02:53:54,150
you.

1926
02:53:54,150 --> 02:53:55,010
I think you're very much.

1927
02:54:02,380 --> 02:54:03,180
Marshall Webb.

1928
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:03,960
Happy

1929
02:54:09,720 --> 02:54:10,100
new board.

1930
02:54:12,480 --> 02:54:13,360
How are you, sir?

1931
02:54:13,720 --> 02:54:14,800
I'm well busy.

1932
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:15,880
Yes.

1933
02:54:15,880 --> 02:54:19,800
So as far as state or federal changes that are going to impact the Fire

1934
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:23,420
Mortals Office, it's been brought to you guys attention earlier this year.

1935
02:54:23,900 --> 02:54:28,080
The 2024 FireCode has been published. We are not allowed to use it as of right

1936
02:54:28,080 --> 02:54:33,640
now. Chief State Fire Martial has not signed off on the use of it so now my group

1937
02:54:33,640 --> 02:54:37,340
is taking the time and going to the trainings. I think our next trend is probably

1938
02:54:37,340 --> 02:54:42,260
going to be April 16th. We'll be going through a code of vision changes on things

1939
02:54:42,260 --> 02:54:48,380
we can expect. Why is that a big impact? It's going to make us a lot busier. We've been told

1940
02:54:48,380 --> 02:54:56,020
there's things like food truck regulations. We'll be having to check those probably annually or

1941
02:54:56,020 --> 02:54:59,520
depending on where they lie with inter jurisdiction so we could have some folks coming from.

1942
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:06,880
Winston-Salem over to the Davey County, ARC. I know we have food truck week, things like that. So

1943
02:55:07,660 --> 02:55:11,980
trying to make sure that we're staying on top of that is going to be big so that we regulate the

1944
02:55:11,980 --> 02:55:18,060
code the correct way and don't use old technology or old information to enforce the code by law.

1945
02:55:18,580 --> 02:55:22,060
Administrative code is going to be the same way. We don't anticipate very many changes with it,

1946
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:27,340
but I'm sure there'll be something in there. There's just some of the things that we're going to

1947
02:55:27,340 --> 02:55:31,980
have to be looking at doing. Plans of view may take us a little bit longer to get through or just

1948
02:55:31,980 --> 02:55:34,060
some of the key points there. Take away.

1949
02:55:36,280 --> 02:55:39,440
So my personal request, again I'm coming back to you

1950
02:55:39,440 --> 02:55:45,000
request full-time squad personnel. This is just to get another full-time staff member currently.

1951
02:55:45,280 --> 02:55:51,680
Our model is we're back staffing with part-time. And that was doing well for a while, but the

1952
02:55:51,680 --> 02:55:56,700
problem we run into now is a lot of the bigger municipal areas are paying a lot of overtime and for

1953
02:55:56,700 --> 02:56:01,400
what they come in. We're competitive with pay. I don't disagree with that at all. We're right there

1954
02:56:01,400 --> 02:56:04,840
with the rest of the fire departments here in the county, but when they can stay at their full-time

1955
02:56:04,840 --> 02:56:10,680
job and make $1,000 working a 24-hour shift. It is their full-time job, especially to get callbacks.

1956
02:56:11,400 --> 02:56:16,040
So if we could keep that two-in-two out, that safety method when we reach the far ground with

1957
02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:20,840
the associated fire chiefs and jurisdictions, I'd really appreciate the support there.

1958
02:56:22,780 --> 02:56:26,740
Yeah, and then also the investigations and emergency management operation. The other full-time

1959
02:56:26,740 --> 02:56:33,180
person would allow me to increase staffing during emergency operations, as you know, we're probably

1960
02:56:33,180 --> 02:56:36,700
going to be looking in the head into that this weekend and another full-time person

1961
02:56:36,700 --> 02:56:37,820
who would help me out.

1962
02:56:39,480 --> 02:56:41,260
Can you make sure you got that full, I'm sorry.

1963
02:56:41,720 --> 02:56:46,960
If you got that full-time position then your part-time positions would really only be

1964
02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:52,520
if you had a full-time or out or would you still have a regular rotating spot for a part-timer.

1965
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:57,260
So I'm happy to report that Scott 81 just recently went its 10-year anniversary

1966
02:56:57,260 --> 02:57:02,740
and when myself and Lana got hired we worked different or 10-hour shifts.

1967
02:57:02,740 --> 02:57:05,280
So, Monday and Friday's would be available before time.

1968
02:57:05,640 --> 02:57:05,780
Okay.

1969
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:09,220
Unless the board or Mr. Barnett requested a different schedule.

1970
02:57:09,560 --> 02:57:09,780
Okay.

1971
02:57:10,520 --> 02:57:10,820
Thank you.

1972
02:57:11,020 --> 02:57:11,120
Yep.

1973
02:57:11,900 --> 02:57:12,500
Admin support.

1974
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:14,180
We put in for this last year.

1975
02:57:14,520 --> 02:57:16,320
Again, I still see a huge need in it.

1976
02:57:17,100 --> 02:57:22,520
I'm not going to say or say that I necessarily do two full-time jobs of one person, but the duties

1977
02:57:22,520 --> 02:57:24,560
of both have become a lot.

1978
02:57:25,020 --> 02:57:30,320
There's been some things put on my plate and I take those very seriously and I want to stay

1979
02:57:30,320 --> 02:57:30,980
on top of them.

1980
02:57:30,980 --> 02:57:37,460
I couldn't do it without supporting my staff and the staff here at Second Floor, IT, and all my other colleagues.

1981
02:57:37,920 --> 02:57:44,600
But I'm invited to be there all the time when I need to be away from the office, answering phone, scheduling fire inspections.

1982
02:57:45,360 --> 02:57:51,480
Those things are getting done, but we have missed a couple of opportunities here recently where we just, we weren't there.

1983
02:57:53,540 --> 02:57:58,600
I also think that position would be beneficial to all of our fire departments in the county,

1984
02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:02,300
because that person may be able to keep them informed of things they might miss

1985
02:58:02,300 --> 02:58:07,180
because a lot of our chiefs work other jobs. I think you could definitely be a

1986
02:58:07,180 --> 02:58:11,620
robust you know what that looks like definitely communication between myself

1987
02:58:11,620 --> 02:58:15,940
and the fire chiefs things that I'm not able to send out immediately I could

1988
02:58:15,940 --> 02:58:19,320
definitely have that information related to this person and again having that

1989
02:58:19,320 --> 02:58:23,180
constant person there in the office you know they're running calls no

1990
02:58:23,180 --> 02:58:27,780
investigations no firefighting duties it's not say we might not hire a person like

1991
02:58:27,780 --> 02:58:35,220
that, but Mayor with Munis for Mayor with our works, our RMS and the inspection process.

1992
02:58:38,780 --> 02:58:42,660
Capital requests, you know, some of these are a little bit redundant. I think the biggest

1993
02:58:42,660 --> 02:58:48,740
one Brad hit on it earlier with his is the building for FMEM storage. I know there's been

1994
02:58:48,740 --> 02:58:53,340
a lot of names put on this and I know there's been some questions for folks that are, you

1995
02:58:53,340 --> 02:58:58,840
know, talking with me about it here and there. I think this is a huge need and I think

1996
02:58:58,840 --> 02:59:06,780
this it was built yesterday could be a place where people go, people know where to go if we're

1997
02:59:06,780 --> 02:59:12,840
bringing resources in it's big enough to house folks it's big enough for anything that we're

1998
02:59:12,840 --> 02:59:18,260
going to need it for. We're structuring not around Hurricane Helene but here again we're getting

1999
02:59:18,260 --> 02:59:22,780
ready to have a you know another significant event that may impact our county and people need a

2000
02:59:22,780 --> 02:59:28,260
place to go we need to stand along the EOC currently we share our EOC with Joseph as a training

2001
02:59:28,260 --> 02:59:35,640
facility as well as our EOC and we do make it work but in a very, very long time ago but I think

2002
02:59:35,640 --> 02:59:39,440
it is time to start thinking about how we get some of these free things where we're going to

2003
02:59:39,440 --> 02:59:45,420
store them and again this isn't amazing if county folks colleagues I've talked everybody who's got

2004
02:59:45,420 --> 02:59:52,830
a storage need will help facilitate that the best that we can and I know there's been I know there's

2005
02:59:52,830 --> 02:59:58,090
been a question just regarding you know an all inclusive building why do we need sleeping quarters

2006
02:59:58,090 --> 02:59:59,810
or stand alone.

2007
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,320
You see, versus a training room, go to any county and a lot of their EOCs are flipped, which

2008
03:00:06,320 --> 03:00:11,300
ready? We turn on the switch, we turn on the lights, we get our IT folks in, data rooms, breakout

2009
03:00:11,300 --> 03:00:17,580
rooms, able to have conversations privately, versus out in the open with the rest of the EOC

2010
03:00:17,580 --> 03:00:22,320
staff, just a huge need. Orge, I think it speaks for itself, there's just a lot of things

2011
03:00:22,320 --> 03:00:26,340
we've kind of had to turn away here lately. I've got about 12 trailers set outside right

2012
03:00:26,340 --> 03:00:31,540
now and have been for a very long time. And those cost impacts a lot or tires. When it gets hot,

2013
03:00:32,320 --> 03:00:36,120
they start melting, they start degrading and we have to replace them.

2014
03:00:38,200 --> 03:00:42,220
Airpacks, a lot of these things are right here going into the firefighting component.

2015
03:00:42,820 --> 03:00:46,820
Airpacks are 10 years old. We've got a little bit of life left in them, but I definitely want

2016
03:00:46,820 --> 03:00:50,920
everyone to start thinking about what that looks like. An airpack, if you were about just alone,

2017
03:00:50,920 --> 03:00:56,700
They're about $15,000 and we're not looking at anything extraordinary just the basic firefighting stuff

2018
03:00:56,700 --> 03:01:01,360
So bottle filling station. I'm happy that we have one currently

2019
03:01:01,960 --> 03:01:07,420
But I did get it on a donation are very limited calls to the county when we got ours

2020
03:01:07,420 --> 03:01:09,620
Just getting close time from the placement on it

2021
03:01:11,160 --> 03:01:11,680
Radio's

2022
03:01:12,220 --> 03:01:16,380
It is just building upon kind of a plan that I brought before you before

2023
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:20,860
I'm very close contact with Tony and Nathan about these radio

2024
03:01:20,920 --> 03:01:22,460
and what we're going to do for the future.

2025
03:01:23,580 --> 03:01:26,880
Starlink Kit, Tony has built a very robust Starlink Kit

2026
03:01:26,880 --> 03:01:28,080
in the Portland Reggiers meetings.

2027
03:01:28,260 --> 03:01:30,400
I've asked it if they want to build one for themselves.

2028
03:01:30,980 --> 03:01:31,860
Definitely reach out to Tony.

2029
03:01:32,500 --> 03:01:34,880
We have played with ours, and we've got ours up in the air,

2030
03:01:35,060 --> 03:01:38,900
and got it connected, and he has built a very, very good

2031
03:01:38,900 --> 03:01:39,600
robust system.

2032
03:01:41,000 --> 03:01:42,160
Two new FM trucks.

2033
03:01:42,600 --> 03:01:44,000
So I know trucks are a big need.

2034
03:01:44,740 --> 03:01:47,160
With inspections come more wear and tear, especially

2035
03:01:47,160 --> 03:01:49,180
with all the inspections that we are doing

2036
03:01:49,180 --> 03:01:51,160
and the places that my guys are having to go.

2037
03:01:51,660 --> 03:01:55,660
Currently we have a 2011 and a 2014 Chevrolet truck,

2038
03:01:55,760 --> 03:01:59,320
I believe, and we got those kind of second hand

2039
03:01:59,320 --> 03:02:03,040
from Brad, they fit the need,

2040
03:02:03,400 --> 03:02:05,140
but they are getting some high mileage on them,

2041
03:02:05,180 --> 03:02:06,800
and we are having to do some replacement on that.

2042
03:02:16,100 --> 03:02:16,720
I think that's it.

2043
03:02:17,440 --> 03:02:17,460
Yeah.

2044
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:20,020
Anybody have any questions for Cameron?

2045
03:02:20,540 --> 03:02:20,820
I do.

2046
03:02:22,140 --> 03:02:26,400
If you were just going to step one,

2047
03:02:26,400 --> 03:02:30,480
get a storage facility for all your equipment. How many feet would you need?

2048
03:02:31,280 --> 03:02:35,660
I would still shoot for that 50,000 square feet, 28-foot tall, high rack storage,

2049
03:02:36,000 --> 03:02:41,180
and then a place in the middle to where you know ultimately we could put our trailers and things

2050
03:02:41,180 --> 03:02:42,180
like that and

2051
03:02:49,290 --> 03:02:53,010
then the old hospital ground is where I would project it to go. We already own that

2052
03:02:53,010 --> 03:02:53,330
property.

2053
03:02:59,610 --> 03:03:07,120
Anyway I want to put you on the spot just a tiny bit can you really quickly tell us some

2054
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:10,820
of the things you've done this week to prepare for this weekend because I know you've been

2055
03:03:11,000 --> 03:03:12,720
We're adding some resources out.

2056
03:03:12,980 --> 03:03:14,580
Why do you get several other people up here?

2057
03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:17,320
If I'm missing anything, just a brief.

2058
03:03:18,040 --> 03:03:18,840
There's been a lot of planning.

2059
03:03:19,100 --> 03:03:20,220
There's been a lot of wood ifs.

2060
03:03:20,400 --> 03:03:24,760
I think our county, our leadership, colleagues sitting here in the audience, fire department

2061
03:03:24,760 --> 03:03:25,200
personnel.

2062
03:03:25,700 --> 03:03:28,180
We've all been trying to figure out what direction to take.

2063
03:03:28,700 --> 03:03:32,960
I know right now there's a lot of screaming on Facebook about us not doing anything, but I

2064
03:03:32,960 --> 03:03:36,640
can assure you guys that everybody sitting in this room has got anything to do with anything

2065
03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:39,280
in this county is doing just that.

2066
03:03:39,280 --> 03:03:44,020
We are preparing, I've talked with Suzanne, I've talked with Mr. Barnett, you know,

2067
03:03:44,320 --> 03:03:47,200
Joseph's the same way. Fire departments are preparing an upstaff and I think

2068
03:03:47,200 --> 03:03:51,300
that's going to be a big thing. Joseph's upstaffing, I'm upstaffing, you know,

2069
03:03:51,380 --> 03:03:56,760
this weekend. Upstaffing, getting resources here. We've put in for several resources,

2070
03:03:57,180 --> 03:04:02,680
resource requests. We've gotten all of those best of my knowledge. I do need to

2071
03:04:02,680 --> 03:04:08,440
check Web BoC for a couple of them. We are monitoring and checking the weather

2072
03:04:08,440 --> 03:04:12,140
They're constantly, people are calling me constantly, checking on those things.

2073
03:04:12,780 --> 03:04:14,900
We're looking at how we're going to be resilient through all this.

2074
03:04:15,380 --> 03:04:17,140
Power outage is a big thing right now.

2075
03:04:17,920 --> 03:04:20,880
Sheltering is a big topic right now, and we are working through all this process.

2076
03:04:21,180 --> 03:04:25,740
So, Sheltering Resource Request and just keeping everybody who needs to be up up to date right

2077
03:04:25,740 --> 03:04:26,040
now.

2078
03:04:26,180 --> 03:04:29,760
We're also communicating with our municipal, so most of them have most of the data information

2079
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:31,880
as well as how we're preparing.

2080
03:04:32,680 --> 03:04:39,760
I know that you've taken some cuts and things like that to our fire department, so if they have to have overnight,

2081
03:04:40,020 --> 03:04:43,440
they lay their head down for a second and things like that.

2082
03:04:43,740 --> 03:04:47,480
So for the fire department said no, have sleeping quarters, we have tried to facilitate that.

2083
03:04:47,600 --> 03:04:53,800
We are trying to keep some things in because at the end of the day, we have to kind of get everybody taking care of.

2084
03:04:54,040 --> 03:04:56,420
So, but we have been able to fulfill all those requests.

2085
03:04:56,420 --> 03:05:00,940
I'll be working in the very near future with Susanne about, you know, what that looks

2086
03:05:00,940 --> 03:05:05,280
like over at the government center, and then we're preparing for other things as well.

2087
03:05:05,580 --> 03:05:05,800
Okay.

2088
03:05:06,180 --> 03:05:06,620
Thank you.

2089
03:05:06,760 --> 03:05:14,540
I had real quick that public utilities, general services, and 911 are all already in talks

2090
03:05:14,540 --> 03:05:21,180
of having additional staff here over the weekend in place, just in case any of their roles

2091
03:05:21,180 --> 03:05:22,160
need to be expanded.

2092
03:05:23,380 --> 03:05:23,660
Absolutely.

2093
03:05:23,660 --> 03:05:30,360
and we are very grateful for all of you for doing that. Hopefully, hopefully we're over

2094
03:05:30,360 --> 03:05:35,420
over prepared. I hope so. Thank you, yes. Thank you.

2095
03:05:38,140 --> 03:05:38,800
Ms. Suzanne.

2096
03:05:48,890 --> 03:05:51,630
I saw a few slides earlier

2097
03:05:51,630 --> 03:05:58,390
that said I do not anticipate any major changes. I can't say that. I know what our major changes

2098
03:05:58,390 --> 03:06:03,770
are because we don't have a state budget or any clear guidance yet on what the future is

2099
03:06:03,770 --> 03:06:08,870
going to look like. The three things that I do know for sure are up on your screen. It's

2100
03:06:08,870 --> 03:06:15,110
the impact that it says, the food nutrition services. For about the past 50 years, the

2101
03:06:15,110 --> 03:06:22,850
federal government's paid 50% of our employees salary and fringe. But that's changing effective

2102
03:06:22,850 --> 03:06:29,770
October of 2026. So they're asking us to pick up an additional 25% of that cost. So we would

2103
03:06:29,770 --> 03:06:35,910
be paying 75% of our salary and fringe for seven staff members working in food and nutrition

2104
03:06:35,910 --> 03:06:42,350
services. That's about $187,000 or just a little over. And then for domestic violence,

2105
03:06:42,790 --> 03:06:47,890
our Davies Center for Violence Prevention got noticed that our VOCA grant was also reduced

2106
03:06:47,890 --> 03:06:53,810
by about $13,000. And this time for the first time I believe they're requiring $11,000

2107
03:06:53,810 --> 03:07:00,530
county match. And then senior services got notified that PTRC is cutting their

2108
03:07:00,530 --> 03:07:08,450
funds by about $8,000. We run about 190 meals a day for probably 350 plus days

2109
03:07:08,450 --> 03:07:15,450
out of the year. And our contract is up for renewal and the meal costs have gone

2110
03:07:15,450 --> 03:07:20,030
up by a dollar. So if you factor that in with mileage and everything we're looking at

2111
03:07:20,030 --> 03:07:22,670
about an additional $78,000.

2112
03:07:24,010 --> 03:07:26,410
I do have a couple of wild car situations.

2113
03:07:26,990 --> 03:07:29,410
We don't know how this is going to impact us in the future,

2114
03:07:29,510 --> 03:07:30,610
but it's impacting us now.

2115
03:07:31,970 --> 03:07:34,110
You've probably heard that the state transition

2116
03:07:34,110 --> 03:07:36,950
to healthy blue together or a tailored plan

2117
03:07:36,950 --> 03:07:38,510
for children in foster care.

2118
03:07:39,390 --> 03:07:41,250
You're going to hear it call a couple different things.

2119
03:07:41,450 --> 03:07:45,310
But in the past, we worked with partners' health management,

2120
03:07:45,310 --> 03:07:47,930
and they've been able to work with us in two to three days

2121
03:07:47,930 --> 03:07:54,370
time frame to get children placed timely. Right now with the new state plan is a minimum of eight

2122
03:07:54,370 --> 03:07:59,230
days turnaround which means everything that happens in that eight days is county cost up front

2123
03:07:59,750 --> 03:08:05,650
but they're under contract to pay us back but we've just not seen it yet but I feel like they're

2124
03:08:05,650 --> 03:08:12,030
under contract so it's supposed to come back to us. The second piece of this is there's a current funding

2125
03:08:12,030 --> 03:08:17,850
freeze on one of our codes to get reimbursement from the state. Unlike on the

2126
03:08:17,850 --> 03:08:23,510
health side we have stop-work orders. So if there's a funding issue they will

2127
03:08:23,510 --> 03:08:27,570
issue a stop-work order. When you can't issue a stop-work order for child welfare

2128
03:08:27,570 --> 03:08:33,070
so they just put a freeze on the code that you use to receive reimbursement

2129
03:08:33,070 --> 03:08:37,150
for your services. That's an additional county cost. And until the state budget

2130
03:08:37,150 --> 03:08:44,030
approved, I think that's going to continue. You'll see a lot more expenses for DSS right now,

2131
03:08:44,030 --> 03:08:49,850
but hopefully that will be remedied once the budget is approved. And so finally, basically,

2132
03:08:50,410 --> 03:08:58,070
we're just asking to maintain our approved base budget from 2526, and we're only asking for an

2133
03:08:58,070 --> 03:09:05,270
additional 25% for DSS. Brandon, I've looked at her budget. We think we can figure out how to cover

2134
03:09:05,270 --> 03:09:10,810
the 13,000 but we're going to have to make sure that our current budget is

2135
03:09:10,810 --> 03:09:15,790
maintained including the staffing levels because we had a staffing change and I

2136
03:09:15,790 --> 03:09:19,490
think the offset and cost is going to help us cover that piece of it. I think

2137
03:09:19,490 --> 03:09:25,770
we're covered there and senior services they got a sizable donation a few years

2138
03:09:25,770 --> 03:09:29,590
ago for meals on wheels so I think we're going to figure out how to cover that

2139
03:09:29,590 --> 03:09:34,370
cost the next couple of years our increased cost for a couple of years with that

2140
03:09:34,370 --> 03:09:38,270
foundation money instead of having to ask for additional money from the county.

2141
03:09:44,840 --> 03:09:48,520
If that doesn't work out, please do ask for that because that's something we

2142
03:09:48,520 --> 03:09:52,480
definitely want to make sure is in place. Absolutely. We don't want our seniors

2143
03:09:52,480 --> 03:09:55,980
to go without. Absolutely not. Brent and I have crunch numbers he and his

2144
03:09:55,980 --> 03:09:59,480
team have crunch numbers and so I think we figured out a way to make this

2145
03:09:59,480 --> 03:09:59,680
work.

2146
03:10:04,340 --> 03:10:06,280
Anybody having questions or comments for

2147
03:10:06,280 --> 03:10:06,580
Susan.

2148
03:10:09,630 --> 03:10:11,370
Thank you. Thank you.

2149
03:10:13,920 --> 03:10:15,220
Sheriff you

2150
03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:29,320
can go ahead to the next one, ma'am. That looks

2151
03:10:29,320 --> 03:10:37,180
different than it did when I made it. Thank you all for opportunity to speak. I think the first

2152
03:10:37,180 --> 03:10:44,780
slide is just showing you very quickly what our preliminary numbers look like in the three primary

2153
03:10:44,780 --> 03:10:51,920
categories you usually see from us. 26,141 piles answered, which was a slight drop.

2154
03:10:53,140 --> 03:11:00,320
In actual cases open, criminal cases, 3400, which was a slight drop, but the numbers

2155
03:11:00,320 --> 03:11:04,120
arrested and booked into our detention center went up slightly.

2156
03:11:05,340 --> 03:11:06,800
Again, preliminary numbers.

2157
03:11:09,020 --> 03:11:11,820
So what are my budget pressures for the coming year?

2158
03:11:11,820 --> 03:11:18,340
here. You have actually seen this slide last two years. I just use it again because it's

2159
03:11:18,340 --> 03:11:25,160
the exact same budget pressure has over the last couple of years. Personnel cost is directly

2160
03:11:25,160 --> 03:11:34,940
related to recruitment, retention, and office performance. There still is a major move to

2161
03:11:34,940 --> 03:11:43,420
recruit from each other, agencies recruiting, etc., agencies offering incentives, etc., to

2162
03:11:43,420 --> 03:11:51,040
recruit salaries going up has become a very competitive market and that continues. That is not

2163
03:11:51,040 --> 03:11:51,580
changed.

2164
03:11:54,200 --> 03:12:00,340
Biggest operational problem for us in the future is the general operational cost

2165
03:12:00,340 --> 03:12:05,320
increases. I think you've heard that all day today. It costs continue to go up

2166
03:12:05,320 --> 03:12:14,100
for everything. Vendors are moving to different pay models for my world and I

2167
03:12:14,100 --> 03:12:19,520
think a lot of your other agencies here or other departments. It's moving to a

2168
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:25,300
lease product. You can't purchase anymore. You can only lease. An example of that is

2169
03:12:25,300 --> 03:12:33,900
tasers. Axion, who is the company that owns taser now, they have moved to a solely lease

2170
03:12:33,900 --> 03:12:40,260
model. You can not buy taser. The last time we upgraded any of our tasers, we bought

2171
03:12:40,260 --> 03:12:47,460
refurbished. But what Axion has done in their model over the last couple years is you have

2172
03:12:47,460 --> 03:12:54,460
to turn everything in when you sign new contracts with them. So they've eliminated the used

2173
03:12:54,460 --> 03:13:01,000
to market there's nothing out there any more to get parts or used ones or repairs on what

2174
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:09,100
you have so I think not in this budget but just as an example when we go back and have

2175
03:13:09,100 --> 03:13:15,060
to read do tasers or upgrade our tasers again I won't have a choice but to go to their lease

2176
03:13:15,060 --> 03:13:20,960
model and then I'm trapped by them from now on. That's where we're going to take tasers away from

2177
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:23,280
officers, and I don't envision doing that.

2178
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:30,420
And then of course, as we've been talking about for several years, the detention center

2179
03:13:30,420 --> 03:13:32,400
is a budget impact.

2180
03:13:33,220 --> 03:13:39,620
And it's a major budget impact all the way around from capital to just daily operational

2181
03:13:39,620 --> 03:13:40,120
costs.

2182
03:13:40,620 --> 03:13:44,060
That has not changed, ma'am.

2183
03:13:45,680 --> 03:13:47,240
So can I say something?

2184
03:13:47,240 --> 03:13:47,700
Absolutely.

2185
03:13:47,700 --> 03:13:58,740
And in discussion with a couple of other of our commissioners, you know, we're talking

2186
03:13:58,740 --> 03:14:06,980
about the pod, the pod, $8 million, Brad brings forward an employee.

2187
03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:15,700
We know very well that, and I don't even say it on streaming that somebody's going to

2188
03:14:15,700 --> 03:14:21,540
at some point, and make comment. Now, my whole point throughout this process has

2189
03:14:21,540 --> 03:14:25,420
been that the taxpayers of Davie County are not going to accept the tax

2190
03:14:25,420 --> 03:14:29,960
increase to build a jail, okay? I don't disagree with you. And I know you don't,

2191
03:14:30,620 --> 03:14:37,020
but here's what I would say to those including us on this day. If we can find a

2192
03:14:37,020 --> 03:14:42,360
creative way to build what we know we're going to have to do without

2193
03:14:42,360 --> 03:14:48,360
without piece milling this thing, and I know you've said this for years and so have

2194
03:14:48,360 --> 03:14:55,040
others. We probably need to start that discussion, but I can tell you if that

2195
03:14:55,040 --> 03:14:59,760
discussion will not be within the context of tax increases

2196
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,900
Do it. We'll not be, we'll be kind of a non start, we'll be a non starter, but I just believe if we can find dollars to piecemeal, we should be able to find dollars maybe to put this thing together. We won't, we won't have this discussion between, we won't have a solution between now and end of the month, but I really would like for those of us that seem to be able to find money in some way shape or form to do necessity.

2197
03:15:29,900 --> 03:15:34,120
to begin the discussion, to find this money.

2198
03:15:34,400 --> 03:15:38,320
So we don't have to keep piece milling this thing together.

2199
03:15:39,240 --> 03:15:41,980
And I don't know if that's, it is, obviously,

2200
03:15:42,320 --> 03:15:44,440
you agree with 100% of what I just said.

2201
03:15:44,740 --> 03:15:47,180
But I just want to put that on the record,

2202
03:15:47,460 --> 03:15:51,460
say, hey, it's time for us to begin to have discussion here

2203
03:15:51,460 --> 03:15:53,980
within the context of what I just said.

2204
03:15:54,560 --> 03:15:59,420
And that's one person, but so go ahead.

2205
03:15:59,420 --> 03:16:08,080
I would say I would say Mr. Jones and I do agree with you. I would say that and I think

2206
03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:14,220
I've told all of y'all this in public and in private conversation that one of my tasks

2207
03:16:14,220 --> 03:16:22,260
is sheriff is to present to you what we are and that's what I'm doing. I think we're

2208
03:16:22,260 --> 03:16:26,740
in that position just like you said at some point we're going to have to do something just

2209
03:16:26,740 --> 03:16:29,020
What and how are we going to do it?

2210
03:16:29,040 --> 03:16:35,920
Well, and I want to say this too, if the state legislature can find $90 million to build

2211
03:16:35,920 --> 03:16:42,660
a jail in Cleveland County, they can help find money to build what you need here today.

2212
03:16:42,700 --> 03:16:43,480
You would think they could.

2213
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:44,500
I do not.

2214
03:16:44,500 --> 03:16:46,460
I'm not blaming that on our legislators.

2215
03:16:47,020 --> 03:16:52,940
I'm just saying the system needs to focus, and not just Cleveland County, they've found

2216
03:16:52,940 --> 03:16:53,560
funds.

2217
03:16:54,080 --> 03:16:54,420
Oh yeah.

2218
03:16:54,700 --> 03:16:54,980
Yeah.

2219
03:16:54,980 --> 03:17:00,380
multiple counties and we'll take care of building schools. That's our job but

2220
03:17:00,380 --> 03:17:05,460
we need you know Brent made the great point that you know this the justice

2221
03:17:05,460 --> 03:17:12,400
system it runs all the way through the system from from from Davey County to

2222
03:17:12,400 --> 03:17:21,120
Raleigh and there needs to be some coordination there to help us and I think we

2223
03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:28,500
We all know with who we're streaming that we have worked those processes and asked

2224
03:17:28,500 --> 03:17:34,080
for those funds and we have tried multiple times and multiple ways to get additional

2225
03:17:34,080 --> 03:17:38,140
funding for a jail and have not been able to do that yet.

2226
03:17:39,000 --> 03:17:43,080
Well, hopefully we will be able to figure that out and Mark has a great point because we

2227
03:17:43,080 --> 03:17:49,000
are spending a lot of money keeping it going and piecing it together and trying to band

2228
03:17:49,000 --> 03:17:55,500
they did together, but also, I think a point that the average citizen may not think about

2229
03:17:55,500 --> 03:18:03,840
and that I do think about is the benefit that a new detention center would be for the

2230
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:11,700
employees who have to work there for their safety. That has to be taken into consideration

2231
03:18:11,700 --> 03:18:18,580
to you because they, um, the conditions that they're having to deal with now, we sure

2232
03:18:18,580 --> 03:18:20,420
do thank them for being there. Don't we share?

2233
03:18:20,980 --> 03:18:27,780
I am blessed with great employees and I say this often, uh, that is the hardest job in

2234
03:18:27,780 --> 03:18:31,840
this county unless you've worked out there and been out there and stayed out there.

2235
03:18:36,180 --> 03:18:37,400
You have

2236
03:18:37,400 --> 03:18:44,240
I agree with Mark. We definitely need to hopefully find some solutions to this man.

2237
03:18:45,820 --> 03:18:51,840
One comment and one question. Yes, ma'am. Oh, sorry, excuse me. Yeah. I hope I don't look like a man.

2238
03:18:52,160 --> 03:19:00,810
But anyway, to piggyback on what Mark said and I've said numerous times and we've talked

2239
03:19:00,810 --> 03:19:07,790
about is that, you know, we know by statute you are deemed the head jailer. Right. But after you

2240
03:19:07,790 --> 03:19:13,730
get past the statutory thing, you know, the whole criminal justice system and

2241
03:19:13,730 --> 03:19:18,650
department of corrections and all these things are a state ran kind of

2242
03:19:18,650 --> 03:19:25,590
entity including the court system to everything else and it seems like this

2243
03:19:25,590 --> 03:19:30,730
is something that state money is ought to be helping to pay for. I won't go on and

2244
03:19:30,730 --> 03:19:37,070
on about that. But the general statute says that you, the county, the county is

2245
03:19:37,070 --> 03:19:49,950
responsible for building and maintaining a county jet and I I don't disagree with you. I just I know what you're saying. Yeah, because that you say one thing, but then it's kind of more of an unfunded mandate.

2246
03:19:49,950 --> 03:20:04,450
But my budgetary logistical question is this we put eight million into a pod and I think you and Brad described that it's not like it becomes obsolete.

2247
03:20:04,450 --> 03:20:27,430
It can still have some it doesn't look like the pod thing not knocking that you're looking into it

2248
03:20:27,430 --> 03:20:32,530
It doesn't look like the pod thing is gonna satisfy this thing for any foreseeable long term

2249
03:20:32,530 --> 03:20:38,670
I don't believe so. No. And I'll give you an example of what what we're presenting or what we're

2250
03:20:38,670 --> 03:20:41,470
showing you was just an option to look at.

2251
03:20:43,490 --> 03:20:46,330
That's my responsibilities to give you all the options

2252
03:20:46,330 --> 03:20:54,090
that might be out there or other ways or as you're talking about non-traditional ways in this term I

2253
03:20:54,090 --> 03:21:02,770
use quite often to do this. But there are things in that number we're giving you that are

2254
03:21:02,770 --> 03:21:11,890
not true cost. For example, a pod sits outside the current control system or even in a new jail

2255
03:21:11,890 --> 03:21:18,870
if you still utilize that pod, it's going to sit outside of what you build and the control center

2256
03:21:18,870 --> 03:21:28,650
and how that new facility would be built to manage inmates, which means there may be additional

2257
03:21:28,650 --> 03:21:35,090
personnel needs, etc., that you wouldn't need with the new facility just because you're

2258
03:21:35,090 --> 03:21:40,710
outside of how you would manage those inmates or control those particular inmates in that pod

2259
03:21:40,710 --> 03:21:43,030
sitting over here by itself, so to speak.

2260
03:21:43,030 --> 03:21:49,010
those are all things that are planning things if you decided to actually look

2261
03:21:49,010 --> 03:21:54,350
at the pod thing or move forward with it to push the construction of the other

2262
03:21:54,350 --> 03:22:01,310
part out on the road somewhere that we could find funds. Again I think Brad and

2263
03:22:01,310 --> 03:22:08,670
Brad and I and my staff just are presenting you ideas and things as we move

2264
03:22:08,670 --> 03:22:18,050
forward or look at these projects you know and you all know we have blue prints we had plans to go

2265
03:22:18,050 --> 03:22:28,150
out and went back to my previous slide the cost of the world and what it cost to do things just

2266
03:22:28,150 --> 03:22:32,890
just torpedoed that basically, so that's where we're at.

2267
03:22:35,550 --> 03:22:39,390
So other things that might impact my budget coming up,

2268
03:22:42,280 --> 03:22:47,260
I am subject to a lot of the unfunded mandates that you speak of,

2269
03:22:47,460 --> 03:22:50,900
I mean, and things that implicate me.

2270
03:22:52,180 --> 03:22:59,120
So in 2025 there were 1755 new laws or new bills presented

2271
03:22:59,120 --> 03:23:05,280
it in the house and send it. Only 94 of those actually got elected in the law. Amazing

2272
03:23:05,280 --> 03:23:09,520
isn't it? But 30 of those directly impact the sheriff's office.

2273
03:23:11,780 --> 03:23:12,960
One of those, for example,

2274
03:23:13,080 --> 03:23:19,520
is a separation allowance. I think that's a learning curve. I would say to y'all that

2275
03:23:21,240 --> 03:23:28,360
26, 27 are going to be really and truly learning years for us. And I think for the whole county

2276
03:23:28,360 --> 03:23:34,340
I think just listening to some of your directors this morning talking about AI and technologies

2277
03:23:34,340 --> 03:23:40,100
and those kinds of things, I think we're all in a new learning curve, so to speak, to

2278
03:23:40,100 --> 03:23:43,300
see where we're going to end up and how those things might end up.

2279
03:23:43,300 --> 03:23:48,680
Your point of statement you made this morning about staffing levels, I think all those things

2280
03:23:48,680 --> 03:23:55,700
are a new learning curve for how technology can impact that, reduce that, or reduce costs

2281
03:23:55,700 --> 03:23:58,140
for those types of things.

2282
03:24:01,020 --> 03:24:04,940
Separation allowance changes the formula that's

2283
03:24:04,940 --> 03:24:09,540
been in place for as long as I've been a law enforcement officer. It allows

2284
03:24:09,540 --> 03:24:14,360
people to work longer and not retire which may impact your county's budgets,

2285
03:24:14,360 --> 03:24:19,400
not just mine but the county budget overall, health insurance for example.

2286
03:24:21,800 --> 03:24:22,600
That

2287
03:24:22,600 --> 03:24:25,660
still remains to be seen how that's going to impact it okay.

2288
03:24:26,900 --> 03:24:31,480
Aurena's low. I'm sure everybody's heard the discussions about that. It is a

2289
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:37,820
possibly going to be a nightmare. I don't intend to ask for any people.

2290
03:24:38,940 --> 03:24:44,360
I had some captains that really pushed to ask for additional people but

2291
03:24:44,360 --> 03:24:50,200
again my thought looking at it as a whole is it is a learning curve.

2292
03:24:50,200 --> 03:25:06,300
I don't know how these things are going to impact it, or technologies we're looking at are going to impact it, and I need the time before I come to you and ask for additional people to know and have those facts in hand to show you that.

2293
03:25:07,600 --> 03:25:12,780
Arrhena's law may impact us, I have no doubt it will impact us in December.

2294
03:25:15,000 --> 03:25:22,560
Part of that law went into effect this past December, it is already causing us some heart

2295
03:25:22,560 --> 03:25:29,740
aching heartburn, but this coming December, the second half of it goes into effect which

2296
03:25:29,740 --> 03:25:36,280
which would require magistrates and judges if they have even an inkling or a thought that

2297
03:25:36,280 --> 03:25:42,380
somebody might have a mental health issue or that kind of thing that before they can

2298
03:25:42,380 --> 03:25:48,340
release them, etc., they have to be sent for mental health evaluation, yes, who gets

2299
03:25:48,340 --> 03:25:54,660
to do all that, your deputies, they get to take them to the hospital, stay with them, do

2300
03:25:54,660 --> 03:25:55,500
Without

2301
03:25:58,980 --> 03:26:04,820
being there yet, just guessing what that's going to impact and listening to the

2302
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:13,860
criminal justice systems, rumor meals, so-to-speak, that may tremendously increase the amount

2303
03:26:13,860 --> 03:26:20,560
of time and effort and funding that's going to be needed to handle that with deputies.

2304
03:26:20,560 --> 03:26:29,540
So the other house bill that really may impact us is that illegal alien enforcement act.

2305
03:26:29,560 --> 03:26:36,660
It basically just makes us spend a lot more time to check people, make sure they're legal,

2306
03:26:36,900 --> 03:26:37,500
et cetera.

2307
03:26:37,920 --> 03:26:46,300
And then requires us to bring them over to see magistrates and judges that we currently

2308
03:26:46,300 --> 03:26:46,920
don't do.

2309
03:26:46,920 --> 03:26:50,640
So, it's an impact of manpower and manhours, okay?

2310
03:26:51,800 --> 03:26:52,720
That's an example.

2311
03:26:53,000 --> 03:26:57,500
Administrative rule changes is another example of how we get impacted.

2312
03:26:58,080 --> 03:27:04,400
I have on there sunrise and sunset, so out of the blue, this is just one example of

2313
03:27:04,400 --> 03:27:05,380
what happens to us.

2314
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:14,520
The governing boards for law enforcement in the state decided to change the rule for qualifying

2315
03:27:14,520 --> 03:27:22,680
with a handgun or weapons and they decided to use something, the nautical, whatever that the U.S.

2316
03:27:22,860 --> 03:27:31,360
Naval Observatory discovers for sunset and we cannot qualify and we have to provide proof for

2317
03:27:31,360 --> 03:27:37,160
everybody that qualifies that they followed that sunset rule based on the Naval Observatory.

2318
03:27:38,100 --> 03:27:42,020
So, that changes when we can qualify for night fire.

2319
03:27:43,460 --> 03:27:49,720
We can't qualify too late, so as that changes there are nights that we totally lose the

2320
03:27:49,720 --> 03:27:51,280
ability to train somebody.

2321
03:27:52,340 --> 03:27:57,700
Now have to also have a night, well they don't call it combat course anymore.

2322
03:27:58,060 --> 03:28:02,660
They call it something else, but we have to do that at night now.

2323
03:28:02,660 --> 03:28:07,740
That's required, which extends the amount of training you have to do at night.

2324
03:28:09,200 --> 03:28:12,140
But yet, I'm limited to a time frame at night.

2325
03:28:12,900 --> 03:28:18,640
So where you used to be able to qualify day and night in one afternoon even, now it's

2326
03:28:18,640 --> 03:28:22,920
going to take two days, well, I got to pay people for two days, I got to pay instructors

2327
03:28:22,920 --> 03:28:23,720
for two days.

2328
03:28:24,180 --> 03:28:28,820
I still have to figure out the schedules to keep people working while these people are

2329
03:28:28,820 --> 03:28:36,760
qualifying, et cetera. That impacts our budget. And that's an example of a non-funded mandate.

2330
03:28:41,820 --> 03:28:47,200
That's really all I have. I'll be happy to answer or try to answer any questions you might have.

2331
03:28:48,680 --> 03:28:53,260
Jeff, I want to go back to this detention center and the cost and some points that have been made.

2332
03:28:53,260 --> 03:28:53,720
So,

2333
03:28:55,820 --> 03:29:01,960
if we were in Fantasy World and had $40 million today to start building this facility,

2334
03:29:02,260 --> 03:29:03,560
we could get it built in two years.

2335
03:29:04,440 --> 03:29:13,860
Would we need the pod, or would you be self-contained in that $40 million design?

2336
03:29:14,240 --> 03:29:19,600
If we're in Fantasy World and you can start today, he can go out to bed.

2337
03:29:19,600 --> 03:29:24,060
I think actually we'd have to have our blue prints updated at this point, right?

2338
03:29:26,760 --> 03:29:31,640
We've gone past the time where our blue prints are still good, so you'd need to update those.

2339
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:40,940
So you'd start that process, you'd probably look in that construction six months from now or going out to a bed if we have to do that.

2340
03:29:42,900 --> 03:29:46,040
If you could do that, no, I don't think you need the pod.

2341
03:29:46,040 --> 03:29:53,160
But during that two years, I'd still be functioning just like I am, having the house, people,

2342
03:29:53,300 --> 03:29:55,480
other places, transport them, move them around.

2343
03:29:56,300 --> 03:29:59,140
But that is kind of becoming...

2344
03:29:59,140 --> 03:29:59,980
This is not just...

2345
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:19,000
This me, this is other sheriffs that are dealing with this, too. I just got an email or all the sheriffs got an email from the Bunkham County Sheriff. He needs to house 90 people somewhere. And he's looking for anybody that would give him bad space. It is a fight.

2346
03:30:21,520 --> 03:30:28,740
My direct and wild called Gacken to ask them to house some males. They're only housing females for us. They told her no.

2347
03:30:29,480 --> 03:30:37,360
We have not been able to find anybody that has extra bed space to house males because I'm over

2348
03:30:37,360 --> 03:30:46,200
capacity now on both male and female. So that answered your question, sir. It does but if, again,

2349
03:30:46,380 --> 03:30:50,700
if we were in fantasy world, and we would get an eight million dollar discount, so to speak,

2350
03:30:50,820 --> 03:30:56,560
if we went ahead and didn't kick the can, I think that's something as a board we need to really think

2351
03:30:56,560 --> 03:31:02,720
about because, you know, you capture, it was already been presented by Brad that we need

2352
03:31:02,720 --> 03:31:09,220
an extra person basically to run, keep what we got with, you know, tape and bail and wire

2353
03:31:09,220 --> 03:31:15,120
together. And, and that didn't count. That's just personnel cost. That didn't count all

2354
03:31:15,120 --> 03:31:22,780
the operational costs and inefficiencies. So, again, you know, and as Commissioner Jones said,

2355
03:31:22,780 --> 03:31:25,420
And, you know, no, we need less criminals.

2356
03:31:25,640 --> 03:31:26,940
I think we can all agree with that,

2357
03:31:27,080 --> 03:31:28,720
and nobody wants to spend their tax dollars

2358
03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:29,940
to maintain this group.

2359
03:31:30,500 --> 03:31:33,800
But, you know, that's the way it is.

2360
03:31:34,300 --> 03:31:40,280
So, I am going to be in favor of looking at this sooner

2361
03:31:40,280 --> 03:31:43,500
rather than later, just to capture some

2362
03:31:43,500 --> 03:31:45,900
of these parents' savings, so.

2363
03:31:46,360 --> 03:31:46,480
Okay.

2364
03:31:47,940 --> 03:31:49,960
Sheriff Orbrad, either one question,

2365
03:31:49,960 --> 03:32:00,570
And any kind of example is we're thinking through this of a major band-aid expense in the

2366
03:32:00,570 --> 03:32:04,530
last few years that had to be done out there.

2367
03:32:05,610 --> 03:32:06,110
Well,

2368
03:32:08,330 --> 03:32:15,570
I'll get, there's one on your CIP right now, which is the grinder, the pump station.

2369
03:32:15,630 --> 03:32:15,770
Right.

2370
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:24,120
Yeah, the smoke eight, how much was the smoke eight, that's the one I was trying to remember.

2371
03:32:24,120 --> 03:32:25,180
We had through

2372
03:32:29,370 --> 03:32:34,030
design and construction. They went in and found that the losers that were initially installed that we thought were

2373
03:32:35,810 --> 03:32:40,350
sufficient the news on come back and replace those. They were horizontal instead of vertical

2374
03:32:41,430 --> 03:32:43,190
And then we've also got the generator

2375
03:32:44,950 --> 03:32:45,990
so that's

2376
03:32:46,790 --> 03:32:47,810
385 for that

2377
03:32:48,590 --> 03:32:53,450
So in the last couple of years we spent me and looking at another meeting with pump station

2378
03:32:53,450 --> 03:32:54,430
so

2379
03:32:55,050 --> 03:32:57,010
anything else after those

2380
03:32:58,690 --> 03:33:03,450
that may be jump out at you in the next two, three years that might be major. I

2381
03:33:03,450 --> 03:33:07,510
don't know anything can happen at any time. Well, if we follow our pattern over the

2382
03:33:07,510 --> 03:33:12,390
past 10 years, I will promise you before the end of this year something is going to

2383
03:33:12,390 --> 03:33:18,050
break and when we go to fix it, we're going to find out that it is just yeah

2384
03:33:18,050 --> 03:33:22,470
exactly. You're looking at probably holding at least 250,000 of jail

2385
03:33:25,400 --> 03:33:31,600
That's it. If the cavalry was coming, we could maybe Bob and leave and maybe

2386
03:33:31,600 --> 03:33:35,620
defer some of that. Maybe. I mean, you're not going to have a choice. Yeah. Yes.

2387
03:33:42,570 --> 03:33:43,330
Anything else?

2388
03:33:45,910 --> 03:33:51,230
Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Before you bring Tony back up and

2389
03:33:51,230 --> 03:33:56,110
that's you want to bring Tony up because that's our last public safety. I do want to

2390
03:33:56,110 --> 03:33:58,930
throw one more thing out there. This is some the chair and I've talked about

2391
03:33:58,930 --> 03:34:02,850
earlier in the fall. We neglected to put on one of the slides but she

2392
03:34:02,850 --> 03:34:08,770
We probably will see during the budget process, we had talked about looking into bringing in support services for public safety.

2393
03:34:09,590 --> 03:34:20,930
Clinical services that they can use if they are in high stress or those hard to deal with situations that sometimes they run across.

2394
03:34:21,310 --> 03:34:29,830
So I don't have any figures today, but I just wanted to just remind you of that that you may see it later in the budget process.

2395
03:34:29,830 --> 03:34:30,910
Tony?

2396
03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:43,780
Afternoon, Madam Chair, commissioners.

2397
03:34:44,040 --> 03:34:47,200
Hope you all are having a wonderful afternoon here

2398
03:34:47,200 --> 03:34:48,520
before this weather sets in.

2399
03:34:51,640 --> 03:34:56,700
So I'm Tony Scarlet, and I'm going to deliver our IT budget summary.

2400
03:34:58,320 --> 03:35:00,200
So for technology, what's new?

2401
03:35:00,700 --> 03:35:04,360
So our first bullet point is our cybersecurity and infrastructure.

2402
03:35:05,160 --> 03:35:09,160
We have a couple of unfunded cybersecurity projects out there.

2403
03:35:09,160 --> 03:35:31,280
initiatives that we like to move forward with. These would one particular initiative we have found would be quite useful towards making our staff more productive and during their day, which literally translates to man hours saved.

2404
03:35:32,600 --> 03:35:39,140
We are also dealing with some end-of-life critical infrastructure reaching not only end-of-life,

2405
03:35:39,280 --> 03:35:40,600
but end-of-support.

2406
03:35:41,440 --> 03:35:47,020
And this is above and beyond our normal computer rotation program, which is a five-year program,

2407
03:35:47,220 --> 03:35:51,900
where we rotate out older machines that are no longer supported, no longer secure,

2408
03:35:52,080 --> 03:35:53,540
and we replace them with new machines.

2409
03:35:53,540 --> 03:36:05,020
We have an increased demand for onsite support of our critical systems so we will be requesting

2410
03:36:05,020 --> 03:36:09,600
a service vehicle this year to accommodate that.

2411
03:36:11,500 --> 03:36:17,440
With our GIS mapping, our current GIS system, it lacks formal administration,

2412
03:36:22,540 --> 03:36:23,520
it lacks the

2413
03:36:23,520 --> 03:36:32,300
not having that formal administrator, it's putting that system at under risk.

2414
03:36:33,540 --> 03:36:35,700
You would get the next slide.

2415
03:36:36,400 --> 03:36:44,500
So we're actually going to ask for a GIS administrator, which would be an upgrade of our current GIS analyst.

2416
03:36:45,980 --> 03:36:53,380
and I'll get down just a bit maybe into the weeds on this. Our prior CTO came up

2417
03:36:53,380 --> 03:37:01,960
through the ranks of GIS. In the background he saw the need to bring in someone

2418
03:37:01,960 --> 03:37:08,620
that he could train up an analyst. And in the background he was literally that

2419
03:37:08,620 --> 03:37:14,260
GIS administrator long after he had taken a position of CTO. That was it. That

2420
03:37:14,260 --> 03:37:18,440
was his, that was his forte and that's what he did, he did it well and God rest his soul,

2421
03:37:18,580 --> 03:37:19,060
he was great.

2422
03:37:21,900 --> 03:37:28,600
Now with the, with the volume that we have, this system has no formal administrator,

2423
03:37:28,880 --> 03:37:38,020
no formal owner that can protect the data integrity updates to this system, upgrades to this system,

2424
03:37:38,020 --> 03:37:44,720
one of which is happening today, as we speak, and with all of the access controls in place

2425
03:37:44,720 --> 03:37:52,220
and helping to ferment that cross-departmental function and coordination.

2426
03:37:52,760 --> 03:37:58,340
Because GIS, if you look at it, that's pretty critical to a lot of our departments,

2427
03:37:58,560 --> 03:38:05,460
from 9-1-1 to development services. Our mapping, our folks out there

2428
03:38:05,460 --> 03:38:12,860
in the Registered Deeds office, that's becoming more and more involved all the time and we

2429
03:38:12,860 --> 03:38:20,400
foresee that, that just expanding. If we can get this GS administrator position, should

2430
03:38:20,400 --> 03:38:25,580
the county itself grow to the point that it needs an analyst again on the back end, we

2431
03:38:25,580 --> 03:38:32,220
can address that at that point. So one that basically is loading addresses

2432
03:38:32,220 --> 03:38:34,120
that type of stuff in maps.

2433
03:38:36,020 --> 03:38:43,860
We're also asking that our admin assistant be turned into a full-time position with our increased,

2434
03:38:44,020 --> 03:38:48,600
we have increased vendor volume and procurement activity across all departments.

2435
03:38:49,700 --> 03:38:57,560
The current role is insufficient to meet the workload demands and the accuracy that's required for that workload.

2436
03:39:00,400 --> 03:39:07,520
This, currently, if, say, a phone call comes in in the afternoon, somebody just wants an update on a ticket.

2437
03:39:08,440 --> 03:39:14,760
Well, we have to pull somebody off one of our more highly paid technical staff off of a project.

2438
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:18,700
And as you know, people generally don't multitask the contact shift.

2439
03:39:19,020 --> 03:39:22,600
So this person has to go into this contact shifted mode.

2440
03:39:23,360 --> 03:39:28,020
speak with this person, deal with this situation, what have you, that could have been dealt

2441
03:39:28,020 --> 03:39:31,760
with at a much lower level, then the contact shift back to where they are.

2442
03:39:32,060 --> 03:39:39,300
They've lost how much time trying to, you know, in that period of time doing the contact

2443
03:39:39,300 --> 03:39:40,100
shifting.

2444
03:39:42,040 --> 03:39:50,220
This position would greatly help with that first level, first touch, kind of support where

2445
03:39:50,220 --> 03:39:54,240
somebody calls in, again, perhaps they're asking for an update on ticket or perhaps they

2446
03:39:54,240 --> 03:40:01,320
need to be reminded that they should put in a ticket or they're just literally wanting

2447
03:40:01,800 --> 03:40:08,460
an update on an issue that they're having and this person can actually read off the

2448
03:40:08,460 --> 03:40:14,800
notes of that trouble ticket and let them know what's going on and it prevents a lot

2449
03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:16,580
of that loss time from that.

2450
03:40:19,500 --> 03:40:21,220
Marketing conditions right now.

2451
03:40:21,960 --> 03:40:28,580
So generally in IT, we figure some more in the neighborhood of 7% to 10% year over your

2452
03:40:28,580 --> 03:40:30,280
costs for hardware and software.

2453
03:40:30,600 --> 03:40:32,200
That's just how pricing goes.

2454
03:40:34,520 --> 03:40:39,180
Currently there are three main manufacturers of memory chips in the world.

2455
03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:44,720
Two of them are dedicated purely to AI basically because they get 10X on their margin for

2456
03:40:44,720 --> 03:40:49,140
AI is sucking up basically all the memory that's available out there.

2457
03:40:49,280 --> 03:40:57,040
The consumer market still exists, so that has made an artificially high pricing for memory

2458
03:40:57,040 --> 03:41:03,560
out there in the market, and just like a bell curve, eventually this will peak off because

2459
03:41:03,560 --> 03:41:06,160
demand will eventually meet supply.

2460
03:41:06,400 --> 03:41:12,220
Currently it's astronomical, but just like in most instances we've seen in the past, we'll

2461
03:41:12,220 --> 03:41:14,020
encounter higher lows.

2462
03:41:14,020 --> 03:41:19,960
once we reach that curve, start down the other side, we're not going to end up back where we were, we're going to end up a bit higher.

2463
03:41:21,240 --> 03:41:28,040
AI is literally consuming all of the memory that's out there.

2464
03:41:28,500 --> 03:41:38,680
In the past several months, I've seen RAM go from 100 bucks a stick, because 700 bucks a stick, and that's a drastic increase.

2465
03:41:38,680 --> 03:41:52,880
So as a the specific impact as a result of that we have projected that this year we could see up to and perhaps even more than a 30% increase in the cost of our compute.

2466
03:41:54,640 --> 03:42:00,450
And so that wraps up my presentation.

2467
03:42:01,410 --> 03:42:04,470
And I would be glad to answer any questions you all may have.

2468
03:42:04,470 --> 03:42:06,510
I have a question for you.

2469
03:42:07,430 --> 03:42:19,350
On that cheery note, the GIS coordinator or manager and minister, thank you, is there,

2470
03:42:21,310 --> 03:42:29,990
Mr. Gatty presented their mapping needs, is there, synergy here, is one person can do this

2471
03:42:29,990 --> 03:42:34,330
for you and for the tax office, are they totally siloed?

2472
03:42:34,710 --> 03:42:36,430
There is overlap there.

2473
03:42:37,750 --> 03:42:45,510
There is definitely overlap and I realize they have a vendor that does their thing,

2474
03:42:45,590 --> 03:42:49,110
but there's definitely overlap in between the two and there can be more of that.

2475
03:42:50,450 --> 03:42:55,550
And part of our aim is to encourage those that enter,

2476
03:42:55,550 --> 03:43:01,110
We're an interim departmental corporation and overlap with that.

2477
03:43:01,710 --> 03:43:08,550
We looked out at other counties around us, comparably sized counties, and in every case

2478
03:43:08,550 --> 03:43:14,550
we found that they do indeed have a GIS admin, may not be called that, may be called coordinators,

2479
03:43:14,750 --> 03:43:23,710
GIS coordinators, GIS manager, but all of our counties out there generally they do indeed

2480
03:43:23,710 --> 03:43:29,510
have a G.S. administrator and what normally transpires is when you get into the G.I.S. business,

2481
03:43:29,710 --> 03:43:33,530
you start out with an admin. You start out with an admin. You build out the

2482
03:43:33,530 --> 03:43:38,230
Esri environment. You get, you know, you get the, you get things going. You get your, uh,

2483
03:43:38,550 --> 03:43:44,470
you get your maps and all going, um, and then you hire on an analyst once you grow.

2484
03:43:44,730 --> 03:43:49,810
Right now, we're kind of reversed and we're looking to address that.

2485
03:43:50,730 --> 03:43:58,470
question Tony sort of to Tony and Jamen but it but it's not I mean it's not

2486
03:43:58,470 --> 03:44:04,990
where you well do you foresee it where the two could be missed and or totally

2487
03:44:04,990 --> 03:44:11,290
want or how common or uncommon is that yeah and you're going on what pretty

2488
03:44:11,290 --> 03:44:18,010
much always see a hybrid situation as opposed to a completely just single

2489
03:44:18,010 --> 03:44:25,570
single source of of fact. But I mean there's a function I guess that that

2490
03:44:25,570 --> 03:44:34,030
tax mapper has specifically germane to tax mapper versus GIS analyst or

2491
03:44:34,030 --> 03:44:39,630
yes those are those are completely those are completely separate yes there. You do

2492
03:44:39,630 --> 03:44:44,070
have indeed Jayman has his folks and that's what they they do with in in their

2493
03:44:44,070 --> 03:44:51,490
part of RGIS desktop pro is they do that that tax parcel mapping and stuff and

2494
03:44:51,490 --> 03:44:58,050
Danny has an analyst in an entirely different area but yes indeed that's

2495
03:44:58,050 --> 03:44:59,870
were the circles kind of crossed.

2496
03:45:00,590 --> 03:45:08,770
You visualize this position of being something that your current analyst could move into? Absolutely. I

2497
03:45:16,710 --> 03:45:34,710
mean, logically, of course, this is not my expertise, but it really does seem, I don't think we're all might be kind of thinking the same thing that that could be able to combine, be able to combine in some way for a county our size. Um, so for 9-1-1, who does your mapping route?

2498
03:45:37,060 --> 03:45:39,400
Right. That's one of our functions.

2499
03:45:39,400 --> 03:45:43,900
is to update those maps as needed.

2500
03:45:44,320 --> 03:45:45,260
You also do utilities.

2501
03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:47,000
So we get clarity again.

2502
03:45:47,140 --> 03:45:48,340
You talk about combined what?

2503
03:45:49,140 --> 03:45:54,200
The tax position, or at least part of those responsibilities.

2504
03:45:55,400 --> 03:45:58,020
Some of those, but I mean, make sure you said,

2505
03:45:58,380 --> 03:46:00,380
just so we're all on the same page,

2506
03:46:00,900 --> 03:46:05,060
that tax mapper is enough of a uniqueness into it.

2507
03:46:05,060 --> 03:46:05,460
Right.

2508
03:46:06,220 --> 03:46:06,500
Yes.

2509
03:46:06,500 --> 03:46:14,260
It's not like we're going to like get rid of a position now those are those are two completely different

2510
03:46:14,780 --> 03:46:15,540
positions.

2511
03:46:28,240 --> 03:46:29,000
Oh

2512
03:46:33,540 --> 03:46:40,560
RGI's administrator would absolutely still be handling the analyst duties there, but the focus would

2513
03:46:40,560 --> 03:46:49,200
shift from these perhaps a bit lower level priorities up into this higher level zone to make

2514
03:46:49,200 --> 03:46:52,760
sure that the system itself is taking care of and properly maintained.

2515
03:46:53,300 --> 03:46:57,660
And at the same time, still handling those lower level responsibilities.

2516
03:46:57,760 --> 03:47:03,240
Again, if they expand and grow, and this county just explodes, then we may need to drop back

2517
03:47:03,240 --> 03:47:08,040
and look at actually hiring somebody to fill that particular seat and analyst and seat.

2518
03:47:08,040 --> 03:47:16,200
I'm going to ask another question that may be uneducated, but just from observation, Danny

2519
03:47:16,200 --> 03:47:23,460
helped me quite a bit recently with some stuff, but we ran into some issues, and this

2520
03:47:23,460 --> 03:47:28,220
is not a finger point and thing, this is asking if that's something that would be able to

2521
03:47:28,220 --> 03:47:36,360
reconcile easier this way, like with maybe the updated nature of math players, different

2522
03:47:36,360 --> 03:47:40,180
things being loaded and all that, or is that strictly just a low-in function?

2523
03:47:43,010 --> 03:47:45,890
And it really, when it comes to math lawyers,

2524
03:47:48,110 --> 03:47:49,890
you have sometimes you have analysts doing

2525
03:47:49,890 --> 03:47:50,150
that.

2526
03:47:50,270 --> 03:47:55,290
Sometimes it's actually the sys I've been, the actual admin himself doing that, so there's

2527
03:47:55,290 --> 03:47:59,710
kind of an overlap right there, and it depends on how complex what you're talking about

2528
03:47:59,710 --> 03:48:00,290
is.

2529
03:48:00,530 --> 03:48:06,650
Like if another department had a person that provides information, is that person, is that

2530
03:48:06,650 --> 03:48:11,230
going to give them more, I don't know, freedoms the right word but is that going to give them more

2531
03:48:11,230 --> 03:48:18,470
administrative capability to address something that might be quasi data entry or adding it and

2532
03:48:18,470 --> 03:48:23,610
maybe quasi administrator rights. I'm just, I don't know if that makes sense.

2533
03:48:25,370 --> 03:48:29,390
Is he put them a level authority where they can fix something?

2534
03:48:29,390 --> 03:48:35,570
right and again that would be that comes with that system ownership they would

2535
03:48:35,570 --> 03:48:42,150
then have the ability to work with said person and if need be make that

2536
03:48:42,150 --> 03:48:47,130
call there could be some efficiencies we're absolutely where you were talking

2537
03:48:47,130 --> 03:48:48,930
about efficiencies for sure

2538
03:48:53,440 --> 03:48:54,860
anybody else having

2539
03:48:54,860 --> 03:49:01,190
thank for Tony thank you sir thank you ma'am y'all you all have a great day

2540
03:49:02,630 --> 03:49:04,310
All right,

2541
03:49:07,180 --> 03:49:11,880
we're going in our day with one of our favorite topics for our funding

2542
03:49:13,300 --> 03:49:16,700
Just wanted to get up early jump on this discussion normally

2543
03:49:16,700 --> 03:49:22,520
I know one of the conversations we typically run into in May is we're having a discussion in May

2544
03:49:23,360 --> 03:49:25,640
So moving it to earlier part of the budget

2545
03:49:26,640 --> 03:49:30,200
Just to go through a quick break down. I think a lot of you are on the board

2546
03:49:30,200 --> 03:49:40,720
but you know historically from 2010 to 2019 we were paying around 135,000 to each of our fire

2547
03:49:40,720 --> 03:49:48,880
departments and in 2020 and 2021 we did increase that slightly to 136,000. So I think we've made

2548
03:49:48,880 --> 03:49:55,260
significant inroads in our fire funding from a county standpoint if you look from 2021 to this

2549
03:49:55,260 --> 03:50:01,980
fiscal year in 2026 where we did, if there's one thing about revile, I know it's not a favorite

2550
03:50:01,980 --> 03:50:05,280
topic, but if you're going to have an increase in your fire funding, that's the year to do it.

2551
03:50:05,940 --> 03:50:07,780
And I think we took advantage of that.

2552
03:50:08,360 --> 03:50:16,180
And so we made a pretty significant increase to our fire departments, up to 315,000 for our

2553
03:50:16,180 --> 03:50:21,900
base level, nobody likes to say smaller departments, but our base fire departments, we know we've

2554
03:50:21,900 --> 03:50:27,240
made that jump to 315,000, which from 2021 is a 132% increase.

2555
03:50:29,080 --> 03:50:33,960
So with our current model, you all know we have a 4cent wide county tax.

2556
03:50:35,250 --> 03:50:41,180
If you look at our fire districts, we take the revenue of that 4cent and we give to

2557
03:50:41,180 --> 03:50:43,400
each fire department what that generates.

2558
03:50:44,260 --> 03:50:48,580
As you know, it varies, some don't generate a lot and some generate a whole lot more.

2559
03:50:49,420 --> 03:50:55,940
So, therefore, the ones who don't generate up to our amount of 315, the general fund does

2560
03:50:55,940 --> 03:50:57,360
subsidize the difference.

2561
03:50:57,880 --> 03:51:03,660
That can equal up between 3 to 4 cent each year that we bring that funding up.

2562
03:51:05,820 --> 03:51:12,420
Question that the chair had with myself, finance and tax was, what does that look like?

2563
03:51:12,420 --> 03:51:15,600
So, just wanted to give you a snapshot this year.

2564
03:51:16,200 --> 03:51:24,440
When you look at our base departments, we'll point out that county line and

2565
03:51:24,440 --> 03:51:28,380
Sheffield also receive funding from Ardell County, so that's partly why their

2566
03:51:28,380 --> 03:51:32,240
number looks a little bit weirder than you might think, given the size of those

2567
03:51:32,240 --> 03:51:40,840
districts. But for our districts, if we had to tax to get to the 315 mark, as you

2568
03:51:40,840 --> 03:51:44,920
see as low as an additional seven cent as high as 28 cent, even though that's slightly

2569
03:51:44,920 --> 03:51:51,180
skewed with the Ardell County numbers, but just to give you a snapshot of how we get

2570
03:51:51,180 --> 03:51:56,580
to the 315 for these particular fire departments, I did not include the three that are primarily

2571
03:51:56,580 --> 03:51:58,860
in other counties because it's a little bit different.

2572
03:52:00,280 --> 03:52:04,900
And obviously slightly way different on the funding when you look at those three, they're

2573
03:52:04,900 --> 03:52:10,780
still important, but I think for our discussion, it's a different, it's an apple to a pair.

2574
03:52:10,780 --> 03:52:13,420
compare to apples to apples with these departments.

2575
03:52:16,320 --> 03:52:18,980
So, you know, whether or not we want to discuss this now,

2576
03:52:19,240 --> 03:52:21,300
or we want to discuss this through the budget process,

2577
03:52:21,920 --> 03:52:23,620
you know, there were a couple of things that, you know,

2578
03:52:23,660 --> 03:52:25,900
I think over the last year that I thought

2579
03:52:25,900 --> 03:52:29,300
were pretty good discussion topics for you all to discuss.

2580
03:52:29,860 --> 03:52:31,920
One thing I wanted to point out, you know,

2581
03:52:31,960 --> 03:52:32,960
the four cents been in place.

2582
03:52:33,580 --> 03:52:35,040
The four cents is older than me.

2583
03:52:36,040 --> 03:52:37,820
It was put in place in 1981.

2584
03:52:37,820 --> 03:52:38,020
one.

2585
03:52:40,320 --> 03:52:44,460
The second bullet point, I think we know the answer already, because the individual

2586
03:52:44,460 --> 03:52:49,960
fire decks taxing districts just are not going to generate across the board to 315 that

2587
03:52:49,960 --> 03:52:55,440
we currently, so that last thing I want to do is go backwards. I know we've talked about

2588
03:52:55,440 --> 03:52:59,620
as our del county departments, you know, they do get money from our del county, and we

2589
03:52:59,620 --> 03:53:04,240
still fund them at the same level that we fund our fully in county departments. Do we want

2590
03:53:04,240 --> 03:53:06,640
a factor that into our conversation to spring.

2591
03:53:08,250 --> 03:53:09,760
We've looked at new funding models.

2592
03:53:10,400 --> 03:53:14,500
I will tell you the difficult part of looking at some other counties of what they're doing.

2593
03:53:16,190 --> 03:53:20,320
They're coming from the individual fire tax district and changing models.

2594
03:53:20,980 --> 03:53:27,840
So it makes it a whole lot easier to use their funding models than to take our force and

2595
03:53:27,840 --> 03:53:29,780
try to change to match them.

2596
03:53:29,780 --> 03:53:37,000
We looked at particularly Johnston County, you know, they were taxing individual departments

2597
03:53:37,000 --> 03:53:39,100
as low as 7 cent up to 12 cent.

2598
03:53:39,500 --> 03:53:44,560
And basically what they did is they merged on a, I wouldn't call it an average, but

2599
03:53:44,560 --> 03:53:50,500
they took and made a county-wide tax so that they didn't have any departments go backwards.

2600
03:53:51,360 --> 03:53:56,700
And it worked better for them, it works well, it's very difficult to apply that to what we

2601
03:53:56,700 --> 03:54:01,740
do here without financially hurting the departments that we have.

2602
03:54:02,960 --> 03:54:06,280
I know we've had discussions on do we want to place caps on some of our larger

2603
03:54:06,280 --> 03:54:11,300
departments, place a cap on that four cent revenue and then maybe shift

2604
03:54:11,300 --> 03:54:15,180
that around to the base departments and then lastly you know do we want to

2605
03:54:15,180 --> 03:54:19,620
start looking at creating some type of capital reserve kind of like Johnny talked

2606
03:54:19,620 --> 03:54:23,880
about in utilities where you have a set amount of money every year whether

2607
03:54:23,880 --> 03:54:26,980
that you're paying yourself to bank it down the road

2608
03:54:26,980 --> 03:54:31,360
or you're paying yourself to look at individual purchases

2609
03:54:31,360 --> 03:54:32,040
each year.

2610
03:54:32,420 --> 03:54:34,540
The only thing that I don't have on the list

2611
03:54:34,540 --> 03:54:35,760
that I should have included also

2612
03:54:35,760 --> 03:54:38,520
was the idea of looking at maybe a fire commission.

2613
03:54:39,100 --> 03:54:41,860
Right now by law, you all serve as the fire commission.

2614
03:54:43,020 --> 03:54:45,360
Other counties utilize that fire commission

2615
03:54:45,360 --> 03:54:49,140
to make those tough recommendations for you to then review

2616
03:54:49,140 --> 03:54:50,440
and make the final decision.

2617
03:54:50,540 --> 03:54:52,800
The final decision always lies on the county commissioners,

2618
03:54:52,800 --> 03:54:55,540
even if the fire commission makes recommendations,

2619
03:54:55,700 --> 03:54:58,940
just like our other boards and committees do with us as well.

2620
03:54:59,400 --> 03:55:04,760
So those are kind of the things that I know from last budget

2621
03:55:04,760 --> 03:55:09,020
up until literally last week that we've talked about.

2622
03:55:09,280 --> 03:55:11,740
When looking at fire funding, obviously,

2623
03:55:11,900 --> 03:55:15,740
I think at the core, we're gonna go into this budget,

2624
03:55:16,120 --> 03:55:19,060
not going backwards, 315 is the amount that we establish.

2625
03:55:19,420 --> 03:55:21,060
We've not gone backwards ever.

2626
03:55:21,060 --> 03:55:29,380
We've maintained funding, but we've never gone backwards, and I don't anticipate unless something dramatic happens that we're going to make a recommendation to go backwards.

2627
03:55:32,100 --> 03:55:39,360
But I would say at this point, there's any feedback that you guys want us to look into deeper through this spring.

2628
03:55:40,140 --> 03:55:41,320
We will do so.

2629
03:55:42,580 --> 03:55:47,520
If there's any mentality right now that you really want to see, try to make it to the end. We'll also look at that.

2630
03:55:47,520 --> 03:55:49,640
That's just one to throw that out there.

2631
03:55:50,300 --> 03:55:53,120
I do know that a couple of you are close on time,

2632
03:55:53,120 --> 03:55:55,160
so we may not get too deep in the conversation today,

2633
03:55:55,440 --> 03:55:58,660
but that's just kind of where we are,

2634
03:55:58,720 --> 03:55:59,780
so we're looking for any feedback.

2635
03:56:01,280 --> 03:56:03,480
As I would like for us to consider,

2636
03:56:03,580 --> 03:56:05,740
and we don't have to make this decision of course today,

2637
03:56:05,840 --> 03:56:08,600
but I would like for my fellow board members

2638
03:56:08,600 --> 03:56:12,900
to consider this, because we have tossed this around

2639
03:56:12,900 --> 03:56:14,780
for a while, and for several years,

2640
03:56:14,780 --> 03:56:21,160
We have been the designated fire commission even though in my opinion we really have not acted as such

2641
03:56:21,160 --> 03:56:27,360
I think that it's time for us to consider forming a true fire commission that is not just the five of us

2642
03:56:27,360 --> 03:56:32,480
To work on these ideas and bring us recommendations. That's what a lot of the other counties

2643
03:56:32,480 --> 03:56:41,620
Or have done that are revamping their funding mechanisms and that's really the hot topic in County Commissioner world in our area right now

2644
03:56:41,620 --> 03:56:45,940
also I'd like for you all to be just be thinking about that possibility.

2645
03:56:51,240 --> 03:56:56,360
Quick question about when you saw things Johnston County or wherever and we're

2646
03:56:56,360 --> 03:57:05,300
saying not going backwards but keeping in mind we're not going backward but does

2647
03:57:05,300 --> 03:57:11,740
that mechanism give us something so you don't have basically two tears and you've

2648
03:57:11,740 --> 03:57:18,880
two tiers and then you've got obviously tiers within the other tiers if you

2649
03:57:18,880 --> 03:57:25,540
wanted to break it down so how does that model just in a nutshell does that

2650
03:57:25,540 --> 03:57:30,940
address like certain metrics to come up with funding? So they they have metrics

2651
03:57:30,940 --> 03:57:35,380
that they play into their funding they also have formulas that they use the

2652
03:57:35,380 --> 03:57:40,840
count the the individual departments that were getting a higher tier still got a

2653
03:57:40,840 --> 03:57:46,660
higher tier. So the lower tiered ones came up but they were still that gap.

2654
03:57:48,040 --> 03:57:52,520
The Johnson County formula is pretty complicated. I don't that ours have to be that

2655
03:57:52,520 --> 03:57:58,060
complicated. Brown and I looked at it it has a lot a lot of information that

2656
03:57:58,060 --> 03:58:03,040
they include that in our district can change but especially call volumes and

2657
03:58:03,040 --> 03:58:08,340
things like that that can change so much. So if you if you're if you base it too

2658
03:58:08,340 --> 03:58:15,540
much on that, you're going to be ever changing, but I think our formula could be a little less

2659
03:58:15,540 --> 03:58:23,420
complicated than theirs was, but it can address something where you've got just big a gap

2660
03:58:23,420 --> 03:58:29,580
between the second tier top people and the lowest part of the second tier versus the first

2661
03:58:29,580 --> 03:58:38,500
Yeah. That kind of guy. Yeah, but he didn't, I mean, you're not, you're not directly asking this, but he didn't level it out. Yeah. You still had a difference.

2662
03:58:38,840 --> 03:58:57,360
He didn't level it out, but I mean, I think the reality is we got to look at some type of base, but in and of itself is this base from one department to another one on kind of on the other end of the spectrum is the same, actually inherently fair there.

2663
03:58:57,360 --> 03:58:59,080
to anyone

2664
03:59:04,000 --> 03:59:05,520
else have any input on that?

2665
03:59:12,050 --> 03:59:13,030
Anything else, Brian?

2666
03:59:13,410 --> 03:59:17,990
Well, really, we're at the point of the meeting today where we kind of open the floor.

2667
03:59:18,830 --> 03:59:23,970
Before we do that, I would like to take a minute to thank all the folks that helped put this meeting together.

2668
03:59:24,930 --> 03:59:31,890
Karen, Robin, Cindy, all our department directors, moving into this idea of having each one of them present.

2669
03:59:31,890 --> 03:59:40,710
We started in 1st part of December and we kind of asked them to get us their presentations by last week and everybody was able to do that.

2670
03:59:41,830 --> 03:59:44,370
So I think it's come together quite well.

2671
03:59:45,070 --> 03:59:50,870
I probably some feedback that we could tweak a couple things if we decide to do this format going forward.

2672
03:59:51,490 --> 03:59:57,090
But I think, you know, ultimately you had an opportunity to hear and ask a lot of questions from our folks.

2673
03:59:58,750 --> 03:59:59,970
I'm sure there'll be more questions.

2674
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,980
It's between now and the end of the process. But, you know, we still have to factor in the revenue side of the equation in both the general fund and utility fund. I got at least two pieces of homework. I got a five years of four quarter spending and five years of travel and tourism funding. So is there anything else? I guess this could be part of our open discussion too. Is there anything else from a standpoint of information that you all would like?

2675
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:30,680
for us to pull.

2676
04:00:35,610 --> 04:00:37,750
I have three pages of notes that I'll have to

2677
04:00:37,750 --> 04:00:42,150
middle back through. I know all of us have some notes. I think we can get them

2678
04:00:42,150 --> 04:00:46,330
to Ryan and you can just send answers to everybody if that's okay with

2679
04:00:46,330 --> 04:00:46,770
everybody.

2680
04:00:52,720 --> 04:00:59,340
Okay. Really this point floor is y'all. Well I know we're a little we

2681
04:00:59,340 --> 04:01:03,420
have some people that have somewhere they need to be so unless you all have

2682
04:01:03,420 --> 04:01:08,300
anything else we can just do our closing comments and that way we can just

2683
04:01:08,300 --> 04:01:11,180
put our thoughts together and that if that's okay with the rest of the board.

2684
04:01:12,560 --> 04:01:13,760
Richard, you want to go first?

2685
04:01:14,580 --> 04:01:19,300
I'd just like to say thank you to everybody that's worked so hard on what we've got here

2686
04:01:19,300 --> 04:01:20,320
in front of us now.

2687
04:01:21,980 --> 04:01:26,660
You're the ones that keep it running and you're the ones that we work for as well.

2688
04:01:28,300 --> 04:01:35,160
I do have some questions that I'll ask later on, but for now I think I'm not enough to digest.

2689
04:01:35,160 --> 04:01:37,300
Yes. Okay. Thank you.

2690
04:01:39,820 --> 04:01:40,380
Yes.

2691
04:01:43,060 --> 04:01:46,160
I'll echo what Richard said. Thanks everybody for putting

2692
04:01:46,160 --> 04:01:52,100
this meeting together or obviously when the dollars start coming in, we're going to have

2693
04:01:52,100 --> 04:01:58,760
more questions. I will tell you this. I made it very clear to Mr. Barnett and others. We

2694
04:01:58,760 --> 04:02:13,830
re-evaluation, the taxpayers of Davie County extremely hard, a lot of taxpayers in Davie County.

2695
04:02:14,390 --> 04:02:23,810
Some it didn't. But the dollars are significant. So we have to look at those not the top and bottom end.

2696
04:02:25,930 --> 04:02:35,150
I'm not going to, I'm not going to, as one vote, support anything that's going to increase

2697
04:02:35,150 --> 04:02:37,570
taxes further on citizens of the baby county.

2698
04:02:37,830 --> 04:02:43,490
As a matter of fact, I believe in this budget cycle, depending on how we follow Robin and

2699
04:02:43,490 --> 04:02:48,910
look at the potential for putting money in fund balance, that that money should be given

2700
04:02:48,910 --> 04:02:59,210
back to the people in in some way shape or form. By rolling back taxes we certainly I think have

2701
04:02:59,210 --> 04:03:06,390
to take a close look at spending. I don't believe we can include if you look at the cycle of spending

2702
04:03:07,310 --> 04:03:18,270
over the last five or six years it has been it has been significant and so I just say that to say

2703
04:03:20,030 --> 04:03:27,750
As one person, I'm going to pay a close attention to spending and secondly, to the possibility

2704
04:03:28,410 --> 04:03:35,170
of rolling back taxes to help the citizens of Davey County that were hit hard in ReVal.

2705
04:03:35,710 --> 04:03:38,810
So, and of course, that would be all the citizens of Davey County.

2706
04:03:41,490 --> 04:03:43,970
But I do appreciate all y'all do.

2707
04:03:44,810 --> 04:03:48,850
I just feel like I want to be up front with you as we go into this budget

2708
04:03:48,850 --> 04:03:55,130
exactly kind of what I'm going to be looking at as an individual commission thank

2709
04:03:55,130 --> 04:04:02,610
you Madam Chair. Thank you Madam Chair. Thank you Madam Chair. I appreciate all

2710
04:04:02,610 --> 04:04:08,830
the work we went into this lot of work lots of needs obviously we just got

2711
04:04:08,830 --> 04:04:10,690
I prioritize those and

2712
04:04:12,840 --> 04:04:15,440
it's incumbent on us to make

2713
04:04:17,550 --> 04:04:19,090
the most of what we got, but

2714
04:04:20,190 --> 04:04:28,230
you know this, we got some big ticket items, but I don't know that checking the

2715
04:04:28,230 --> 04:04:33,730
can which is that's what we would be doing on a couple of these things would make

2716
04:04:33,730 --> 04:04:41,230
sense, but I definitely agree with Commissioner Jones, I will not be supporting any

2717
04:04:41,230 --> 04:04:47,290
tax increase or for any of this because you know we're we should be able to make it on what we

2718
04:04:47,290 --> 04:04:55,710
have I think at this point so with that we'll appreciate the work and we'll look forward to keep

2719
04:04:55,710 --> 04:05:02,910
shipping away at it so thank you thank you everybody for all the hard work very good information

2720
04:05:02,910 --> 04:05:08,510
that was extremely informative when you did that breakdown of what it actually cost for the

2721
04:05:08,510 --> 04:05:13,890
fire departments in reference to whatever that was added in to make them become full

2722
04:05:13,890 --> 04:05:16,930
or whatever you would want to use, hold whatever the term is.

2723
04:05:19,010 --> 04:05:24,870
I'm going to echo what Terry said or Commissioner Renegar about.

2724
04:05:25,690 --> 04:05:36,050
We need to take a close look before we kick cans any further, but let me take that and

2725
04:05:36,050 --> 04:05:45,750
say that first and foremost I want to make sure we take care of the employees. So I don't

2726
04:05:45,750 --> 04:05:53,770
want this mismessage in any way. We're not trying to talk about cutting the cost of living,

2727
04:05:53,970 --> 04:06:03,110
doing any of that stuff for the expense of doing anything. But what I would say is I want every

2728
04:06:03,110 --> 04:06:13,290
effort possibly made to trim away things that we truly don't have to have right

2729
04:06:13,290 --> 04:06:20,470
now. So we can first take care of the employees and second look at other projects

2730
04:06:20,470 --> 04:06:25,270
that might need to be done. And thirdly tied into what Commissioner Jones said

2731
04:06:25,270 --> 04:06:30,750
is that if we've missed the boat on how close we were to revenue neutrality look

2732
04:06:30,750 --> 04:06:38,890
at that. In worst case scenario I want to be able to go out and tell a citizen that okay,

2733
04:06:39,930 --> 04:06:45,610
there was X amount now that we can say above revenue neutral but at least that's a

2734
04:06:45,610 --> 04:06:52,010
creating to fund balance in a way that can help pay for a major project not to be spent

2735
04:06:52,690 --> 04:06:58,750
on additional projects and additional ones and so forth. Thank you.

2736
04:06:59,290 --> 04:07:11,210
Thank you all very much. I concur with everyone. This workshop was very well put together. Thank you for all your work. It moods along smoothly. I absolutely think this is the year that we

2737
04:07:12,730 --> 04:07:28,690
sent our belt a little tighter just like our citizens are having to do. There's been a lot of mention of the increase in cost of supplies and products. And so all of our citizens are incurring that cost of living increases. So we need to do our best to make sure that we're

2738
04:07:28,690 --> 04:07:30,930
spending their money in the best way possible.

2739
04:07:31,770 --> 04:07:37,490
Cutting out any kind of fluff, I know we have a lot of wants but we need to cut it down

2740
04:07:37,490 --> 04:07:43,510
to our needs and but yet take care of our employees but most of all make sure that we are supplying

2741
04:07:43,510 --> 04:07:46,330
all the essentials that our citizens need and deserve.

2742
04:07:47,350 --> 04:07:53,290
And I think that we can make that happen but if you all have any questions I would ask

2743
04:07:53,290 --> 04:07:58,090
if you get them to the staff as quickly as possible so they can be working on them so that

2744
04:07:58,090 --> 04:08:00,410
that they can get all that information back to us

2745
04:08:00,410 --> 04:08:02,290
and as I'm sure as we go,

2746
04:08:02,290 --> 04:08:03,830
we'll have even more questions

2747
04:08:03,830 --> 04:08:05,890
and that way we won't bombard them.

2748
04:08:05,990 --> 04:08:08,330
Cause sometimes I'll bombard them all by myself.

2749
04:08:08,650 --> 04:08:12,490
So if anybody has anything else

2750
04:08:12,490 --> 04:08:14,630
I'll ask for a motion to adjourn.

2751
04:08:15,210 --> 04:08:18,910
Go move, Mr. Schof, Commissioner Pointexter,

2752
04:08:19,170 --> 04:08:19,570
I'll in favor.

2753
04:08:20,570 --> 04:08:22,550
All right, thank you all very much.

2754
04:08:22,730 --> 04:08:24,490
Be safe this weekend.