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We're going to approve the agenda. Then we'll have brief announcements and then we'll open it up to public comment.

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Move to approve the agenda.

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Again.

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All right, all in favor? Aye. Okay. Next we'll turn to staff for brief announcements and then commissioners.

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We don't have any brief announcements tonight, Madam.

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Commissioners, any brief announcements?

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Last meeting when we were talking about College Park specifically.

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I mentioned a book that I had brought up once before.

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And I have it with me this evening so we can get that on the record and in our notes.

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It is called a field guide to American houses and it's Virginia Savage and McAllister.

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It's used by architects.

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It's a great reference just so we have something to utilize when the conversation comes up in regards to our historic homes here in town.

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Thank you.

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I have one.

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It's not necessarily brief.

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We've been receiving some documentation recently

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about clowning that has occurred at the site

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that was proposed for the village farms development.

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It seems to be fairly well documented through photographs

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and in person observations that were done.

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And what's concerning about this is that the clowning

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has included the 47 acres evidently of wetlands

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that were scheduled to be set aside in a habitat preserve

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if the village farms development had, in fact, been approved.

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My concern about that is that this document,

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the biological resources assessment, that was done

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for the village farms project, which comprised

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appendix D of the EIR, clearly identifies

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those wetlands as what's called waters of the United States.

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In other words, they're recognized by the Army Corps

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of Engineers, which has jurisdiction over the federal

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clean water act. I did make an enquiry with staff about this as to whether or not any of the official

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government agencies had been informed. I was informed by Sherry that in fact state-fishing

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game has been informed. My concern is that doesn't go far enough because as I said it's the federal

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Army Corps of Engineers and the Federal Fish and Wildlife Service, they have jurisdiction over

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these wetlands and the verbal pool species. There's really not much a city can do because this

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and the county. So I have not had time to do it yet, but I intend to pursue this with the county to see if they're going to investigate it.

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All of my resources at Army Corps of Engineers and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service are somewhat old.

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I think all those people are retired and the resources at those agencies are somewhat slim,

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but I do find this very concerning that in area that's been identified just as recently as earlier this year in an EIR

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is now being plowed up and we've all received emails about it and maybe at the next meeting

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if I have some further answers all and bring those back to the commission. Thanks.

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Any other commissioners with announcements?

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September 30th at 2 p.m. I'm going to welcome Ariel Bauerbaum, who's a professor of planning

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from the East Coast and she studies the impacts of school closures on land use.

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So there'll be an event on campus at 2 p.m. for folks who are interested in learning more about what school closures here in Davis might mean for community values land use property values. She is a national expert. So we're lucky to have her in town.

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And then first week in October, the California American Planning Association conference is holding its annual conference in LA and there are sessions online for those who are interested.

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and I hope this is a conference one day that we can all attend together maybe with planning

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staff. It's a really great conference. It's coming to Sacramento next year so it'll be

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right next door. Lots of really interesting sessions including one on how to deal with contentious

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politics as you're trying to make policy. With that let me turn it over to Madam Mayard. Do you

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have any comments? I don't. Thank you and I apologize in advance that I have to step out in a

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and to go to another meeting and step back in, so it's not because I'm not interested in what you're doing to so you know.

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Alright, wonderful.

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With that, we're going to open it up for public comment, and you will receive three minutes on the clock.

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So please welcome you, too.

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Planning Commission.

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Good evening, planning commission members. I'm Kathy Howard Crowe of a third generation resident of college park. I'm also a member of the steering committee for the college park neighborhood association and I'm speaking on behalf of the college park neighborhood association at the request of the history committee.

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And we have some members here, so the College Park neighborhood association is a city organized city section association that represents the entire College Park neighborhood of 48 homes.

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Thank you for your service to the community, and to the Planning Commission, we understand

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that you are volunteers and appreciate the commitment to the community.

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We are also working as volunteers for the community and with me tonight, again, our members

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at the College Park Neighborhood Association History Committee.

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This is a small representation of the community members involved as we have several

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communities and dozens of members.

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The College Park Neighborhood Association is very interested in your discussion of our

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historic neighborhood at your September 9th meeting because of this discussion.

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We realized that we should have shared with you the College Park, the Amber Hood Association's letter as of August 4th, 2026 to Mayor Neville in the City Council.

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That letter along with the relevant city ordinance along with the unadopted design guidelines was sent to you last week.

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If you did not receive it, I've copies.

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So I'm happy to give them.

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The College Park Neighborhood Association strongly advocates for the city to adopt the College Park Historic District Design Guidelines.

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date at September 30,

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2021, along with the historic preservation incentives described in the city

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ordinance here, 40.2.3. We believe these essential actions would bring this city into compliance

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with the ordinance and allow the community to take advantage of the state and federal financial

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incentives available to historic districts. We sincerely appreciate your assistance in the approval

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of the College Park Historic District Guidelines process that has been a way to completion

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for 46 years.

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The College Park Neighborhood Association is ready and willing to assist you

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as needed in the approving process.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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In consideration.

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We're not responding to public comment right now.

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But we can follow up with that.

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All right, next public comment, please.

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Good evening, commissioners.

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I'm here regarding any issue that happened this past week for those that you haven't heard.

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The unthinkable has happened as if it wasn't bad enough that the Boringel habitat got just years ago on the Covell village site.

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And then the Vernal Pools on the same site, which is now the Bill Charm site, was

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disk in 2023 just before the EIR started, but then of course the EIR confirmed that there

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were endangered species of Vernal Pools' tadpole shrimp and rare native plants in

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native California native plants.

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Yet they were disked again this past week.

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This is a horrendous act, and it must not be tolerated.

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It makes clear that there was never any intention to preserve these vinyl earlples.

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Let's face it.

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I mean, the slogan of Houses in Habitat was just a big scam.

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So, the rural pools, fortunately, survived the first April 2023, roughly April 2023, disking.

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So, the hope is that they're going to survive again. But it makes clear for the need to preserve these rural pools with a conservation easement.

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since there is no sincerity ever to protect them.

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So please, I hope to see you to something to help with this.

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Thank you for the public comment.

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Are there any other public comments?

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Hello, my name is Les Pratello,

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and I've been individually and as a member of the Rotary

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the new Rotary Club trying to do something with the Boy Scout

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cabin. And I understand that the city of Davis has now adopted some sort of a

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downtown development project. The history of that, I don't know if all of

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you are familiar with that. But the land was owned by the University of

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California until about three or four years ago, and then the city

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purchased a set of red dollar. And some of us individually have been

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trying to get the city to do something.

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And quite frankly, it is a mess.

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And as I read about this El Niño,

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and I look at the dirt and stuff around that cabin,

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particularly the three-stump,

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I don't know who's in charge of that for the city,

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but we've got nothing we've written letters

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to the city council.

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I guess I would urge you as a part of this

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like downtown economic plan to look at the Boy Scout site as the only real attraction

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downtown that has a historic background and that it could be made into a park in the future,

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but if we keep going, we're going to end up demolishing that cabin because it's not going

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to survive many years anymore.

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The rotary club in 1992 completely rebuilt the inside of the cabin so it's almost a self-sustaining or at least supporting document.

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But I'm not sure with the merging of these two commissions, the historical commission and the planning commission, where the Boy Scout cabin is in the mess.

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but I would just serve you to send a resolution to the city council saying something was

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got to be done before El Nino comes and completely destroys it.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you so much for your public comment.

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Are there any further public comments?

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For public comment, we take comment, but we don't do question and answer.

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He can come forward with his question and it's your prerogative as chair if you wish

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address respond or ask staff to respond to it, but only if it's within the purge of the

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item on the agenda.

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I think that's a great idea. If you'd like to come forward and ask the question, we'll

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see if we can potentially have staff respond. I'm going to make a little

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ocent to staff for answering at a later date of that. That's more appropriate.

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My name's Carl Hiller. I'm part of the college part group. I've lived on college part

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for 35 years,

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I'm in general agreement with what they want to accomplish here, but as I took

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time this afternoon to reread all this stuff, and some of the provisions here are obsolete

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compared to, you know, in these, what historic preservation stuff is compared to what we're

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trying to achieve nowadays, like if you want to put an accessory dwelling units in it, you require

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a one car wide driveway. That's not the best way to do that. You know what I mean? That means

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cars are going to be on the street. So what I want to do is urge some flexibility in looking at

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all these historic guidelines which in some cases can be a little rigid and urge some more

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flexibility in how to interpret those because some of them are obsolete by what we want to

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you these days. Okay? Thank you. Thank you very much.

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All right, seeing no further public comments.

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We're going to close public comment and move on to our consent calendar. We have two items before

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One is a requested second driveway to an ADU and the other is the general plan update.

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We're ready. All right, thank you Madam Chair and good evening planning commission.

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Samantha Bailey assistant planner, tonight I'm just going to be giving a brief presentation.

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And regarding a request for a revised final plan development to allow a second driveway at 3103 shelter

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co-place. And the subject parcel is zone PD-3174. This is the Stone Gate subdivision. All

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of the surrounding parcels are also under that same zoning. And the land use designation is residential

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low density.

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So, the left of this slide is the vicinity map, we can see our project location is at

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these located at the end of a cul-de-sac, and is surrounded by other single family residences.

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And so, the right of the slide is the site plan, which shows the location of the driveways,

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as well as some of the existing and proposed landscaping.

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That second driveway is located towards the southern entrance of the property and would go

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towards the southeast corner where it would provide access to a proposed

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ADU and detached garage in the backyard.

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And so this PD does not have any specific

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standards for driveways in which case then it reverts back to the base zoning

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code and the standards for driveways for single-frame and residences is under a

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section regarding location of off street parking. There's a standard that there's no more than one driveway allowed per street funtage.

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And then another important code section within that same section is that there's a limitation to a 40% maximum coverage by impervious surfacing in the required front yard.

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And so, because of those two standards, the applicants are requesting to be able to add a second driveway as there are some issues in designing a single expanded driveway that would allow it to meet that impervious surfacing standard.

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And additionally, the applicants also have a desire to preserve some existing

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which are trees that are on the property.

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And so the design would assist with each of those items.

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And so there is a co-section that allows minor visions to find a plan

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development, which can be applied either to the entire plan development,

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or just to a single site.

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In this case, the applicants are just requesting it for their residents, their parcel.

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And with all of that, staff hasn't developed any significant concerns or foresee any significant impacts of this rounding properties.

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We've also found that this is appeared to be in conflict with the intentions of the general plan or the zoning.

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And additionally, the applicants have expressed that they have support from the homeowners association, excuse me, and some surrounding neighbors for this project.

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And so, in consideration of all of that, the recommendation tonight is for the Planning Commission to approve the Resolution that would approve the revised final plan development to allow a second driveway at 3103 shelter code place.

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That concludes my presentation, but I am here to answer any questions, and the applicant is here as well. Thank you.

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All right, wonderful, applicant, would you like to come up and say anything?

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I'm the homeowner.

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I don't know.

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Hi, I'm Genie.

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I'm the homeowner.

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Can I answer any specific questions?

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That's great.

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Thank you.

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We can move on.

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Do we have any clarifying questions from fellow commissioners?

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I think it's more germane to our conversation afterwards.

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So no clearifying questions right now, so thank you.

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Just like that, all right.

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Yes, well, I'll ask you back up just in case we go that route.

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Next we'll have clearifying questions for staff if we have any.

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I had a quick question.

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I'm looking at this map, and I see that there's a lot of hard,

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hard, flat surface.

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And if I'm not mistaken, we've been talking about in the city at some point I couldn't figure out where it was about making sure that new

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any time you redo a driveway, the best practice was to move it towards something that was more porous.

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And I didn't see that in this proposal and I'm wondering if that is not a requirement, it was just a suggestion,

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or if it is something that I saw a little grove of trees there that you're trying to put in.

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And I'm wondering if some of that might be deferred to that as a way to keep those trees healthy.

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And cut your water bill just because it seems to make sense. And it's a good practice and I know that has been at least discussed someplace. I couldn't remember where it was in here, but it could have been, you know, something that came out one of the flyers that we get from the city about how to preserve water and trees and other things. So just as if if if it serves the chair, maybe we could bring the applicant up and ask if they might be amenable to that and whether the design,

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work or not for that particular type of arrangement or it could be slightly modified with

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that cause any problems for the city, would they have to reapply, would they have to

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re-submit something just a quick question and maybe we could bring the applicant up.

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Perhaps let's first have all of our clarifying questions and staff can respond and then we'll

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have the applicant back up. How does that sound? Greg, Commissioner Rowe?

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I'd just a question about the homeowner's association, I assume there's nothing in the homeowner's association documents that causes any conflict with us.

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Yeah, nothing that has been bought to my attention. Again, the applicant, they might be able to speak further to that.

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Okay, thank you.

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All right, do you want to respond to Samantha first if we have the city has any requirements for pervious surfaces?

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There's no standard that sounds right that we probably encourage that, but there's no requirement and the zoning code.

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We are totally comfortable using permeable surfaces. It's one of the things that we explore when we're looking at the driveway.

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I'm absolutely fine with that. It's not going to be used often, so that's on a big deal for us.

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and all of our plans go through the HOA before we want to present them to

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planning and building so they have a privilege.

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Thank you for being open to that.

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I'm that sure it's required and it's wonderful when people come up

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and are willing to say that makes sense for you.

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And it's a win-win for our city too.

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So thank you very much.

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All right.

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With that, I think we'll open this item up for public comment.

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Are there any public comments on this item?

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If not, then we'll move on to deliberation.

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So it sounded to me like you wanted to make a motion to add permeable surfaces to the staff

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recommendation to approve the resolution.

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Yes, since we don't have any control with the consent of the applicant, I think I would

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put that in as a recommendation for sure for their consideration and it sounds like they're

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willing to explore them at the very least.

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So, yeah,

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I'm more comfortable keeping it as a recommendation.

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Okay, do you want to make a motion?

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A motion that we include for a recommendation that, as part of the recommendation,

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or do you want me to do the full recommendation?

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Or, I got it right here.

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Okay.

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A recommendation is right here.

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Okay.

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Approved the construction of the secondary driveway as depicted and further described in the Planning Commission Resolution 26XXXXXX and subject to the conditions of approval listed in the Exhibit A.

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The approval conditions, I guess that's all we have to do, with the added recommendation that they consider the possibility of diverting some of the hard-scape water to a way to feed plants and other things more permissible substance substance.

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Substance to allow for the feeding of trees and other agricultural purposes on the on the property.

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I'll second that motion

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All right, all in favor

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Hi

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Hi

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Right motion passes congratulations. Thank you for coming to the planning commission meeting tonight

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All right, enjoy your 80 you and driveway

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Now we'll move on to the second consent item which is the general plan update by our principal planner Sherry Metsor

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Sorry, our head of community development.

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Never been a big young title, so it doesn't matter.

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It's a good.

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This is Sherry Metzker, community development director.

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I wanted to take this opportunity to update the planning commission on where we are on the general plan.

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As you all know, we've had a few meetings, we've had lots of...

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Public engagement and things like that, and we have been collecting comments on a proposed draft

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Lannies plan, which is the first big step in the updating of the general plan.

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So, the next big opportunity for participation will be the public workshop, which we will be holding on October 14th, in 2026.

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And that meeting will be held out at the Veterans Memorial.

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And this time, instead of having several stations where folks can go around and just talk to whoever is manning the station,

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we're going to have a series of smaller, well not terribly small, tables that are round tables,

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where we can have eight to ten people at the table and they can discuss the revisions that have been made to

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draft line use plan and come up with their own recommendations for how they think the

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line use plan should be amended or not amended or what they think. So it's just another

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opportunity for people to participate and get involved in how the general plan comes together.

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Then on November 9, the Transportation Commission is going to be meeting because as you may

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recall after the last General Plain Committee meeting, the members of the committee were

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to go back to their various commissions and seek input from their bigger commission on

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the lion-use plan.

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And those dates start with the transition, well, I guess they don't really start with

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the transportation commission.

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They more like end with them.

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We've had several of them meet already and talk about the various issues that they might have with the plan and things that they might consider

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Changing and then all of that will be brought back to the general plan committee

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Probably in December, but it kind of depends on how this all comes together on the 14th

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There was apparently at your September 9th meeting quite a bit of discussion about

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out strengthening the permanence of city's open space easements?

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Is that right? Okay.

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And through land use controls and staff has done some background work that we wanted to share with you about what that means.

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I guess there was an idea where we might make our spirit of influence very large and include all of those parcels that were within

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that are out there under an open space easement within our sphere of influence.

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And so, Dara spends some time, Dara's our principal planner.

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Dara spends some time talking to the staff at Lafco, who are responsible for approving

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spheres of influence.

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And, apparently, it's not as simple as just saying this is where we want our sphere of influence

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and drawing it very large to include all of those properties.

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Apparently, Lafko has their own policies and their own procedures that are required as a part of the state law on how annexation procedures are supposed to happen.

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And apparently, it also is true that if the city really has no long-term plans to grow and develop to that ultimate size,

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Then there are very unlikely to approve the spirit of the spirit of influence amendment that wouldn't include all of those open space parses.

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Does that make sense?

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I feel like I explained it very well.

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Anyway,

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so she also wanted everybody to know that the locations of the easements have been intentionally selected and sought out to try to create a buffer between Davis

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and Woodland as development actually happens in the two cities actually grow closer to each other.

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And the open space easements that we already have are part of that effort to try to maintain

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some distance that's undeveloped that's agricultural between the two cities.

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Traces here with us tonight as a matter of fact, Tracy and I work together quite a bit.

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Those open space easements are very deliberate.

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They cost the city money.

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And so they are very strong indeed.

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And I think you would find that in and of themselves,

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they are difficult to undo.

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But the sphere of influence isn't really going

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to add any kind of layer of protection,

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because they would still be under the county.

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And so they would have ultimate land use authority.

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But, be that as it may, before the next available meeting, on which I understand it is later in October, we will have a little bit more of a discussion with the law of co-staff to get it even better understanding of how that process works in totality.

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And so that would lead me to the final point I wanted to make, which is the New York

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next meeting is October 28th, where we will have an opportunity for the General Plan

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subcommittee made up of commissioners McLaughlin and Roe to present their findings on the

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With that, I can entertain any questions.

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Commissioners, are there any questions?

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I would just say that the next meeting that we do talk about those

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Bureau of Influence and what are the areas that you were discussing

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or sharing with us in your presentation, Sherry.

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It would be really great to have a map that we can look at

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while we're doing that.

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It's hard for me to think about it in the context of

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just in my head, so if we could see it, I think we could better understand it, that would be a helpful tool.

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Do you mean a map of our existing sphere or existing open space?

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I think that's great, and then what we've proposed versus what Lafco has said will not, doesn't work, doesn't make sense, so we can understand it.

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and extending that line of thought.

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We did receive an interesting correspondence

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from a member of a public and it's trying to educate us

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on sphere of influence exclusion criteria

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and inclusion criteria.

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So perhaps in the next staff report,

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there could be some, what is a primer there,

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in terms of explaining the sphere of influence

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a little better for our collective education,

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what can be included, what cannot be concluded.

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we tend to use, at least I do sometimes, terms interchangeably, so maybe some definitions

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like what is the Davis planning area, as distinguished from the sphere of influence,

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and where does the limit line play into this entire analysis as well?

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So we're going to put some maps together, I think, some primer going along with it would be helpful.

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I was going to suggest the same thing as Vince and go a little further in saying that when

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the new general plan is published, I think it would be really good to have a glossary of

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terms so that things like Davis planning area, urban limit lines, spirit, influence, et cetera

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can all be included in there because those terms are not necessarily interchangeable, there

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There's differences, so I would say for the next, both the next meeting and then also in the final document, there should be a discussion of those things, including the list of exclusion and inclusion criteria that we were provided with first three of influence,

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and that was an email from, I think, Marjorie Longo.

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I think I'll just, I'll just, my clarifying question. We have the city limits and then we discuss the urban limit line and then we had the sphere of influence on the outside. So all of these questions about, can we see maps of where we are now, what inclusion criteria will help shape that conversation.

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And after we move on from clarifying questions, we'll have an opportunity for public comment

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on this.

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And then the next thing is that the commissioners are going to revisit some of those general

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plan update recommendations that we left off with last time.

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So if it's okay, I'm just going to review what we covered last time because this was one of

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those.

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This was a couple of those items and then what we have yet to discuss.

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And then I'll open it for public comment.

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One quick question that I could.

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Can I ask who owns, I know that the consultants are doing a lot of work with GIS in the maps.

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Does he sit on that or is that the purview of the consultant that's providing this information just a quick question?

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The maps themselves?

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The GIS files, the layer files that they use to produce the maps for us.

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They own them.

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some of the maps are base maps they got from us. But as they have been working on them and making changes for proposals like the land use plan for example, that's their map.

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Okay.

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So I don't have digital versions of that.

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Thank you.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Any other clarifying questions that popped up?

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Okay.

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I'm going to go through what we discussed last time for the folks who came out this evening.

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Thank you.

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And for all of us is a primer.

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So we talked about widening the sphere of influence, which is a recommendation we passed.

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we talked about widening the urban limit line to any place that the city of Davis provides

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utilities, including Willow Bank, the golf course in El Masero, that past.

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We also talked about encouraging or whether to discourage development on the flood plane, which

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I know you've spoken to in the past, Sherry, but you weren't there that night.

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That recommendation did not pass.

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We did make a recommendation for comprehensive flood control that passed.

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We recommended formalizing an aim of 7,300 housing units that passed.

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We recommended exploring just thinking through decking over I80 that passed.

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We recommended expanding the city limit.

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So what's incorporated within the city to south of Puda Creek that passed.

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We recommended expanding Northwest to the golf course, that also passed, and then what we need to discuss tonight is expanding northeast contingent on comprehensive flood control plan.

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So this is what we're going to talk about tonight.

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We passed a recommendation to pair

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development with protected bike lanes within a given distance

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of three blocks from new development in that past.

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And then we recommended adding density to transit corridors

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to four stories or more that past.

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We also considered whether or not to annex parts

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of UC Davis with student housing and that did not pass.

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So with that, I'm going to open it up to public comment and then we'll revisit these points

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one more time.

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Are there any folks here for public comment on the general plan?

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Good evening.

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My name is Brad Sutton.

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I live in Davis Wildhorse subdivision to speak on the council goals for the digital plan

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updates, specifically on the climate resilience and the permanency of easements such as

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the conservation easements, which California civil code, section 8, 815, 0.2, subsection

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B, a conservation easements should be perpetual and duration.

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Those are important because a lot of our studies and plans, when we look at things like

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flooding like we're talking about tonight, the depth duration and frequency of flooding

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are based on those conservation easements in the absorption of that land.

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those studies assume that the conservation easements and perpetuity are going to remain there

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as opposed to paving that over having additional roofs and then having all of that run-off

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goes someplace where right now the conservation easement is absorbing that.

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It's really important that the general plan update make clear and prevent the inverse

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the condomation of flow-geesments on properties that are dependent upon the conservation

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punishment.

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When someone flows water over someone else's property, they have to have a flow-geesment.

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And if the city were to basically take away those conservation easements, that can result in

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an inverse condomation of a flow-geesment on properties that are statutorily permanent.

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And I also ask that it make clear that we not move channel A and that all development occur south of the current channel A, which is which is necessary for the health and safety of our citizens so thank you

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Thank you for those comments next comment please

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My name is Rina Nire. Hopefully these comments are relevant as it seems like things are moving pretty quickly.

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I am concerned that the process is being fast tracked given that the commission has been consolidated.

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And there's really no broader citizen participation, frequently relative to how fast things seem to be moving.

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So please preserve the main policies and principles of our current citizens-based general plan, with only minor updates.

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Procedure by historic neighborhoods by preventing higher densities there, these neighborhoods are part of what gives Davis its lovely character.

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Provide real climate change solutions including better public transit to meet our climate action and adaptation plan, and offset traffic caused by development.

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The consultant's draft referred land use alternative maps should not have include village farm site in the first place given the multiple problems with toxic floodplain and endangered species.

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And that boat voters twice rejected similar proposals there.

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Even after all the multiple comments I've been hearing at these meetings I couldn't find an updated map where they had changed the map to only be below the channel.

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So I feel like voters are being kind of ignored on that and could you please revise the map.

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I'm extremely concerned also about hearing that the vernal pools were

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dist again recently as they were before the village farms EIR process started and

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the initial map included building housing on top of the vernal pool there.

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This is despite the fact that the vernal pool tetapul shrimp documented in the EIR are

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protected by the federal and dangerous species act and that we all knew about those

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vernal pools since the COVID village proposal 20 years ago.

438
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:18,300
So it's imperative to set aside the vernal pool habitat in the general plan map along with

439
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:22,340
other habitat of critically into client species, and then move on conservation easements

440
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,960
as quickly as possible to protect them.

441
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,100
A prior meeting discussed easement consolidation, and I found that really confusing,

442
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:33,380
as I thought all conservation easements were in perpetuity, so if that could be clarified,

443
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,760
and if there could be a list of all our current conservation easements on the map,

444
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,300
and show that that's really off-limist to all development.

445
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:45,140
And limit line is problematic because there's doesn't seem to be a plan after the line is reached,

446
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:52,600
So we should instead be careful with planning each potential development and this means supporting measure JRD as it is

447
00:41:52,600 --> 00:42:00,160
I continually hear measure JRD is being blamed for our housing situation instead of acknowledging that historically UCD is not provided out with housing

448
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,820
The city has allowed apartments designed for students rented by the bed which excludes others needing housing

449
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:10,080
And even when citizens vote yes undevelop developers haven't followed through on their campaign promises

450
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,260
So JRD is not the problem please keep that as it is

451
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:17,820
You see, needs more on campus housing, including a promise staff housing.

452
00:42:18,340 --> 00:42:22,560
Years ago, there was a great presentation to the City Council, showing multiple on-campus

453
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,740
location suitable for staff and student housing.

454
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,300
So please revisit that to relieve housing pressures in town, and then off-campus we need multiple

455
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:34,860
housing types to meet a variety of needs emphasizing affordability and environmental sustainability.

456
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:36,360
Thank you very much.

457
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:38,120
Thank you.

458
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:39,040
Next comment.

459
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:51,500
Can you hear me now?

460
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:58,220
Okay, all right, and Dear Planning Commissioner, City staff and all to consultants, my name

461
00:42:58,220 --> 00:43:02,660
is Ziv Lang, and I am really concerned that this general plan process has been fast

462
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:07,100
tracked and appears to want to get in overhaul our current City Council and its based

463
00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:12,880
general plan. Some of the issues that concern me the most include following. One, the revised

464
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,420
preferred land use alternative plan, Matt Stylriss, Tain's Village Farm, as it was proposed

465
00:43:17,420 --> 00:43:22,300
the measure fee, even though this was rejected by Davis voters. The map needs to be updated

466
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:26,460
to move the urban limit line to self-to-channel A, so that there's no development north

467
00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:31,240
of the channel where the bulk of the massive floodplain top six are from the end-lined old Davis

468
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:37,100
landfill and sewage treatment plant. Two over-densification in the potential to eliminate new

469
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:42,440
single family housing and allowing only multi-family housing does not work as a one-size-fits-all

470
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,400
solution to housing challenges. While there is a need to increase of densities to some extent,

471
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,480
and needs to be reasonable and not impose detrimentally on our existing neighbourhoods

472
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,200
in a case of infill, high density 5-7 story housing does not provide the flexibility

473
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,480
and privacy families want for the kids and pets. What city needs is a mix of low, medium

474
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,380
and high density housing in all new developments to accommodate different residential needs.

475
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:13,580
3. Increasing housing density does not work without first improving public transit. The current

476
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:18,480
The public transit system is designed primarily to serve the UC Davis, not the entire community,

477
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:22,740
leading to many of the ongoing proposed housing projects being underserved, especially during

478
00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:25,740
school breaks, and increasing the traffic congestion problem.

479
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,540
Fixed transit system first before trying to increase density significantly.

480
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,880
Instead, stronger language is needed in the general plan, press release Davis to build

481
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,900
far more high-density housing on campus for students, faculty and staff.

482
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:45,180
Being the largest UC campus for a huge amount of dormant land was served for housing such as the West Village.

483
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:54,140
There is no reason why UC Davis cannot also commit to building at least 50% on campus housing, like all the other UCs except landlots UC Berkeley.

484
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:58,820
UC Irvine and UC San Diego are successfully building high-density student housing.

485
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:59,960
So easy day for science notes.

486
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,620
Excuse why can't do so as well? Finally, Davis residents once our current citizen-based general plan

487
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:10,300
preserved and not scattered. While it does need some updating, that does not mean discarding

488
00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:14,560
the excellent policies and principles. There must be no changes or a mending of measure

489
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,980
JRD. Decisions and rights to vote on future uses of open space and agricultural lands.

490
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,060
Davis residents do not want measure JRD weak and exemptions in main vulnerable to being overturned.

491
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,220
Thank you.

492
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:29,990
Thank you for the public comment. Next, please.

493
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:35,690
Hi, my name is Elizabeth Ray and I have hard here. I am a hard of hearing as well. I need people to boom.

494
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:39,430
So thank you for taking my comments tonight.

495
00:45:41,110 --> 00:45:51,510
I wanted to say that I was really disappointed and alarmed to see that the village farms was in the map of the proposed general plan update.

496
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:53,750
And this is my comment for it.

497
00:45:53,750 --> 00:46:14,890
For several months, earlier this year, the village farms developers steamrolled past the EIR process to force a public vote for their badly placed behemoth project on June 2nd of this year, likely because they wanted the vote to occur before two rather large building projects started in downtown Davis.

498
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:21,750
On June 2nd, their project was again voted down by Davis voters.

499
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:28,370
That the general plan update has included the Village Parage Farms project in its original

500
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:33,830
proposed configuration with no protection for the rental pools in the map of the proposed

501
00:46:33,830 --> 00:46:38,910
changes to the general plan and expressly against the Davis voters indicates that there

502
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:43,270
is little intention, perhaps, of the city ever listening to Davis voters.

503
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:49,270
The map ignores the EIR directives that Davis pay taxpayers paid for.

504
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:55,070
This unregulated ability of developers and industry models to infiltrate,

505
00:46:55,070 --> 00:47:01,270
strangle, and control every level of decision making in our city is extremely alarming.

506
00:47:01,730 --> 00:47:07,730
We are seeing this at a national level throughout every single state in this United States.

507
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:13,970
We are seeing this level of corporate bullying occur throughout the nation's city planning commissions,

508
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:19,210
with dangerous staff centers being brutally forced on to unwilling and outraged communities.

509
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:24,590
We appeared to be seeing the same bully boy tactics occurring in Davis with the general

510
00:47:24,590 --> 00:47:28,150
plan update process with this sneaky little insert here.

511
00:47:29,570 --> 00:47:34,910
I am hoping that the people will be not be so exhausted to not notice this.

512
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:41,350
Every turn the developers of this project have sought to defy the voters, have a smothered

513
00:47:41,350 --> 00:47:47,790
and we appear to have council members determine to assist these developers at every turn.

514
00:47:48,730 --> 00:47:59,410
I am asking you, please, make sure that the village farms as it is listed as it was originally planned is removed from the proposed general plan update.

515
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:06,270
Only this is, we cannot develop on all of this floodplain.

516
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:11,050
Ask me, I'm the safety manager of a large animal diagnostic facility.

517
00:48:11,290 --> 00:48:14,610
We have one down into a lary, everybody said, oh, it's not going to flood.

518
00:48:14,810 --> 00:48:15,350
No problem.

519
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:21,490
You protects payers, paid 70, 5 million for it, but I'm 2023, it flooded.

520
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:23,330
And now, guess what?

521
00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:28,790
Just because some guy said that, oh, don't worry, we've mitigated all the flooding issues.

522
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:33,050
because you guys are paying 25 million to a parent.

523
00:48:34,010 --> 00:48:35,050
Thank you for your comment.

524
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:37,550
While the next public commenter comes up,

525
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:40,790
could I ask staff to put up a map of the floodplain

526
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:46,470
as that'll tee up our discussion for the Davis and the floodplain?

527
00:48:46,830 --> 00:48:49,130
Don't think we have that with us tonight.

528
00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:52,490
It was part of our packet the last time we met.

529
00:48:53,950 --> 00:48:55,650
Okay, we'll try to see if we can find it.

530
00:48:55,830 --> 00:48:56,930
Thank you.

531
00:48:58,370 --> 00:49:00,390
You're welcome to start your public comment.

532
00:49:00,730 --> 00:49:02,770
Yeah, could you, okay, thank you.

533
00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:04,050
Hi, Timmer.

534
00:49:04,810 --> 00:49:05,950
My name is Newman Juan.

535
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:09,490
I've been attending your meeting a couple of times,

536
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:12,770
and I served as historical resources

537
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:15,530
and management commission for five years.

538
00:49:16,570 --> 00:49:17,670
And I'm here for, say, you know,

539
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:20,010
I want to, I was a router.

540
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:24,290
Before I was a router, I was a IT manager for 18 years.

541
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:26,290
And then I become, I lost my job.

542
00:49:26,290 --> 00:49:32,130
to AI become a realtor, I worked for cover-backer and the remax code.

543
00:49:32,730 --> 00:49:35,250
So while I'm listening all these comments,

544
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:37,910
I want to share with everyone my knowledge.

545
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:44,190
As you know, the actually the easement has no ownership of transfer.

546
00:49:45,790 --> 00:49:50,150
And the conservation easement actually isn't restricting

547
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:55,970
for the development is set up to protecting the land.

548
00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:59,990
So when the developers say, oh, we want the easement, you don't have ease.

549
00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:07,220
And the city has asked an easement is for protecting the land. And the city won't get the ownership.

550
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:15,140
And the second line is for the, what they will come into it is like a three, what they will, you know, shelter place.

551
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:25,080
So for seven years, I'm driving around the city as a shelter. I only serve the city of Davis, so many houses here. I do not go to Sacramento very often.

552
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:32,700
I've never heard that shout out to Avenue Street line at the Stone Gate.

553
00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:39,880
I want to share something else as, you know, I do research on Senator B.O.C.D.

554
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,700
Simon O. Six.

555
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:44,700
And the title is Communist Control Actor.

556
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,540
It's signed into law in 1954.

557
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,840
And if you rated the more details about the debate, why?

558
00:50:52,840 --> 00:51:00,060
the communists is outlawed, and it's because during the war time, United States Russia

559
00:51:00,060 --> 00:51:07,300
China made a lot of, it's called a mobilization equipment, actually, the human rights

560
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:12,800
looks so real. And after the war, the government actually liquidated them and sold to private

561
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:22,620
citizens, or what they were companies, or the secretary, and those robots to do not adopt

562
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:30,720
to do not have legal personal hurt to share not, you know, men share not allow your robots to vote and

563
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,080
share not like them. They do not own any property because they are not even human.

564
00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:39,680
And the ginging, it's not a human. It's a relative. I think maybe that's the things

565
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:47,460
house by my, you know, memory and the kind of, you know, out of a street and anything like that.

566
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,420
And one thing, I noticed the back racket is much much less than before.

567
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:54,680
And I want to know what he's going on.

568
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:55,800
Thank you.

569
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:58,520
Thank you.

570
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,300
I can direct staff to it.

571
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:03,840
It was in our packet last week.

572
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:06,800
It's the map of all city owned land with spirit of influence.

573
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,580
And then there's a link to the general plan dot com and

574
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:14,460
and concept number four has concepts outside of the city

575
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:17,360
for annexation with floodplains.

576
00:52:17,820 --> 00:52:18,140
Thank you.

577
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:18,460
Sorry.

578
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:19,780
Please go ahead.

579
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:20,840
Make your public comment.

580
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:27,200
quite or I'm my lean samets. Again, as you know, I was a former former planning commissioner

581
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,920
boy, I have to be right in front of that better. Former planning commissioner, I served

582
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:36,640
on the general plan update on the land use committee and the subsequent housing elements

583
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,340
steering committee and I'm an coordinator of citizens responsible planning. I have concerns

584
00:52:42,340 --> 00:52:47,700
also about the general plan update and central a letter regarding a list of these concerns.

585
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:54,060
Because I like many others, feel that our general plan, which is a citizen-based general plan,

586
00:52:54,420 --> 00:52:58,880
is an excellent progressive document, which needs updating, but should not be gutted or

587
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,200
you know, have a complete overhaul.

588
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,280
We also don't want MeasureJRD amended or have exemptions, which would weaken it and set it up

589
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,340
to be overturned.

590
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,940
The general plan is not needed to get into the subject.

591
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,360
Most importantly, the consultants' draft preferred alternative map needs a critical change.

592
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:23,520
If there is an open limit line, as the map includes right now, it needs to be moved

593
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,720
south on the South Village Farms land to the Channel A. This means no development north

594
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:34,520
of the Channel because there is above the Channel A. It would be, it's where all the toxic

595
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:41,500
saw are coming from the adjacent old land fill and the enormous FEMA floodplain. There should

596
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:48,180
only be 900 to a thousand units, maximum, and most importantly, it needs to have a conservation

597
00:53:48,180 --> 00:53:54,180
easement on the Vernal Pools, as I spoke earlier about why, and also to have protective

598
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:56,800
funding for it into the future.

599
00:53:58,620 --> 00:54:04,560
So the reduced footprint alternative that was from the, that was in the general, and the

600
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,960
co-avility IR is similar to what we proposed.

601
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,340
It was the environmentally superior alternative, since it distances the housing from the, you know,

602
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,680
from the toxic, and the enormous floodplain, and it reduces all the impacts.

603
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,440
That's what needs to be done on this map.

604
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:21,500
There should be no building on large FEMA floodplains.

605
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,460
I'm not sure how the commission kind of got off on that because it doesn't make any sense.

606
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,180
I mean, that is a planning principle 101 is you don't build on enormous floodplains.

607
00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:36,480
I mean, look at any Thomas, all those examples of where flooding has happened, and it's

608
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,040
cost the state is not going to bail us out anymore state is said you know if you're

609
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,140
dumb enough to build on a on a floodplain then you're you're going to eat it when it

610
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:49,400
happens and it will happen because we have a you know El Nino coming super El Nino coming

611
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,280
then no building on conservation easements including the world to our golf course for crying

612
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:59,120
out loud both of these are fundamental planning principles let's get better transit planned instead

613
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:59,980
I've just going like

614
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,660
Let's go high-density, but we don't have any planning for transit.

615
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,700
And there are there needs to be much stronger language in the general plan of pressuring UCD to build

616
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:14,500
far more and far higher density on campus. I mean, they need to practice what they're preaching

617
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:19,240
to everybody else, particularly because they're the largest UC with other 53-hundred acres,

618
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:25,400
the 900-hundred acre-core campus. And there's a huge amount of land still on West Village.

619
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,700
So please, and there's an LRDP coming up. So this is a very important policy. Thank you.

620
00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:32,740
Thank you for your public comment, Commissioner Hussing.

621
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,500
Good afternoon, Commissioner Mark Hussing, Chair of Transportation Commission.

622
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:45,640
I just heard the Commissioner Director of Metzker say that I of course I can.

623
00:55:46,740 --> 00:55:52,320
I just heard Director of Metzker say that the Transportation Commission had not yet given feedback

624
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:58,280
on the General Plan update. We actually have September 14 meeting.

625
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:07,280
We passed a number of recommendations that were related to the planning staff on the 17th of September, so they should have received that.

626
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,460
And I'll just read them in the record here.

627
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,700
Thank you planning commissioners for making recommendations around transportation and physically protected bike lanes.

628
00:56:16,740 --> 00:56:22,290
We seconded that and we split that into physically protected mobility infrastructure as well as

629
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:26,770
Great separated crossings around high materials.

630
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:30,670
We recommend that to include some visioning,

631
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:32,970
explain to the public why we are planning,

632
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:35,970
the way we are planning, the way we are planning for it.

633
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:40,790
Otherwise, you can't expect buy in from the public unless you make that.

634
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:45,370
We also recommend the benchmarking,

635
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:49,290
the success of transportation to whom to who can navigate that.

636
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:55,770
young people, all people who are aging in place, we need a plan for a whole range of people with

637
00:56:55,770 --> 00:57:04,410
a range of ages and abilities so that they can have options to get to places, including making

638
00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:10,910
sure that we have neighborhood destinations for shopping, for medical need, for local recreation

639
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:16,270
for schools. The idea here, and I heard commission the row and the last meeting, talk about this

640
00:57:16,270 --> 00:57:19,610
you know, 10 or 15 minute cities in Europe, you just call them cities.

641
00:57:20,550 --> 00:57:26,450
It's the idea that you have the stuff you need right there so that you don't have to get into a car for everything.

642
00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:33,910
So when this is why it's important to have planning and land use and mobility planning side by side.

643
00:57:34,030 --> 00:57:37,050
So I'm really pleased that we are pushing both of those forward together.

644
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:45,410
And we also recommend to potentially any potential green field developments for proximity to existing trip generators.

645
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:51,190
This is campus, this is downtown, not all green fields in the land use plan are equal.

646
00:57:52,190 --> 00:57:59,090
We also talked or suggested that we should prioritize high-density transit-oriented development,

647
00:58:00,150 --> 00:58:04,190
so that we can maintain a somewhat compact urban form.

648
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:08,850
This is from a transportation perspective, you know, best practices, because you otherwise

649
00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:13,890
will end up with a place where people will get into a car for most of the trips.

650
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:20,590
And then we finally also added a note of caution from a transportation perspective on if we would

651
00:58:20,590 --> 00:58:27,610
an excellent and go south of South Davis, we are going to run into issues in how we are going

652
00:58:27,610 --> 00:58:32,530
to connect that from a transportation perspective to the places where people go.

653
00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:34,230
Thank you so much.

654
00:58:35,210 --> 00:58:35,510
Thank you.

655
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:37,470
Are there any further public comments

656
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:43,020
not seeing any, we can move into discussion?

657
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:57,430
So what we have here is a map of some of the proposed annex areas with the floodplain in a nice lavender shade there.

658
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:09,230
I wanted to invite our community development director Sherry to say a few words because she wasn't here at our last meeting.

659
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:11,810
And she's gone on public record speaking a lot

660
00:59:11,810 --> 00:59:13,010
about the floodplain issues.

661
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:15,610
So I wondered if you could guide us a little bit tonight

662
00:59:15,610 --> 00:59:18,330
as we're thinking about Northeast, Northwest,

663
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:21,830
and this massive floodplain in which we find ourselves.

664
00:59:25,890 --> 00:59:28,790
I'm gonna sound like an engineer instead of a planner.

665
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:34,510
As you can see from this map,

666
00:59:35,610 --> 00:59:38,310
we have a rather unique situation here in Davis.

667
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:41,590
We almost sit on an island, if you will.

668
00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:54,850
area that is not within the floodplain, which is nice for everybody who lives here and has to pay for insurance and things of that nature.

669
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:59,970
But it does make it rather difficult for those of us who are trying to plan for the future.

670
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,740
Future of Davis, and trying to figure out where we could do that.

671
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:15,440
Where I think that the city has missed an opportunity in the past, is because we have set up

672
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,940
our line-new situation where we evaluate every project, single, one at a time.

673
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:31,880
There is no opportunity to put together a plan for a master planned infrastructure system,

674
01:00:32,140 --> 01:00:37,200
which includes drainage and detention basins and things of that nature.

675
01:00:38,060 --> 01:00:46,660
And so what I would foresee in the northwest area and the northeast to the large part as well.

676
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:51,860
Although that one is much smaller because most of that is included in an open space and conservation

677
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:55,000
easement and so probably would never be developed anyway.

678
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:01,780
But anyway, I think one of the first steps that the city would have to do if they decide that

679
01:01:01,780 --> 01:01:16,640
they would like to move ahead with development in the northwest area of town would be to have some

680
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:17,800
from the floodplain.

681
01:01:19,940 --> 01:01:21,800
And there's anything that I have learned

682
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,660
that anything can be engineered.

683
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:30,460
Now, in the past, we've done projects that were in the flood

684
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:30,800
plain.

685
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:33,660
In fact, this map isn't even totally up to date,

686
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:37,200
because the Bretton Woods project is no longer in the flood

687
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:37,700
plain.

688
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:44,400
The FEMA folks have not amended their map since 2010.

689
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,460
There are amendments.

690
01:01:47,620 --> 01:01:52,700
You can find them online at the FEMA website that will show you where things have been taken

691
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:57,780
out of the floodplain and show what the resulting floodplain looks like.

692
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,040
But this isn't an exact representation of that.

693
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:09,400
But it, as was said earlier, what it took to get that to happen was a very, very large

694
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,900
and deep hole in the ground.

695
01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:20,920
What I think could happen is more like a series of holes in the ground, which are essentially

696
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:31,020
detention basins, and that they would be connected by what could become essentially a channel

697
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:38,660
or a swell that could be vegetated up on the banks of it, and actually could even become something

698
01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:42,000
like a trail system throughout the city

699
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,540
as opposed to just a public work

700
01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:47,240
where it's just there for flood control.

701
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,860
What I don't have my hands on yet

702
01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:56,140
is information about what this floodplain actually is

703
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,420
and how deep it is and how bad is it?

704
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:01,900
That I don't have yet.

705
01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:04,960
Although we think we're on to a source

706
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,760
where we might be able to get a lot more of that information

707
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:17,000
And then once we get that, I can meet with the engineers, and then we can talk more about how we might go about creating a...

708
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,600
What did you call it? A string of a charm bracelet?

709
01:03:22,860 --> 01:03:30,580
Where basically you have your channels, and then you might have a pond, then a channel, and a pond, and it would go along throughout the city.

710
01:03:30,580 --> 01:03:33,480
And instead of just assuming that it's a public work,

711
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,520
like I said, I think there are opportunities in there

712
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:40,060
for us to use some of that detention base in land

713
01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:43,700
for something more than just a big hole in the ground.

714
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:47,620
To me, Tod Hollow is the best example

715
01:03:47,620 --> 01:03:49,800
that we have of a combined use.

716
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,380
We have dog park and we have detention base

717
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:53,700
in the same place.

718
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,880
Now, there are limitations to what you can do.

719
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,540
And there are things that you have to be wary of

720
01:04:00,540 --> 01:04:06,060
because it will flood so you don't want to build anything down in there that's going to be a problem,

721
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:09,120
but maybe you could have soccer fields in it.

722
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:16,880
Maybe you could do habitat of some kind that is okay with flooding every once in a while.

723
01:04:17,740 --> 01:04:19,420
Those are the ideas that I have.

724
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:24,840
The other thing I have found out about this map is it's not engineered, it's modeled.

725
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:32,480
So, this is FEMA's best guess as to what is in the flood plane and what isn't in the flood plane.

726
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:39,040
Until the land is actually engineered, you can't go by this 100%.

727
01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:46,130
And that's what FEMA requires you to do in order to say, well, I'm in or I'm not in.

728
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:47,590
That's what they require.

729
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:51,370
Is that what you were looking for?

730
01:04:52,030 --> 01:04:54,930
It is, do you know when we might have a map like that?

731
01:04:55,650 --> 01:04:59,950
We have no plans and no funding to do anything like that, so we are...

732
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:09,560
We are looking around trying to figure out the best source of information that we can get. We are trying to work with the county to see what they might have.

733
01:05:10,020 --> 01:05:15,980
You know, the farmers truthfully, the farmers aren't incentivized to figure it out that really doesn't matter to them.

734
01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:21,320
They're just going to keep farming and if floods, they have to deal with it.

735
01:05:26,250 --> 01:05:36,590
All right, would we like to start discussion on this last piece of our recommendations and see if there's any further recommendations to add?

736
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,420
Mr. Trust?

737
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,160
Yeah, I think I'll pass from right now, but I...

738
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,680
You're not talking about revisiting ones that we've already made, correct?

739
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:49,860
Correct.

740
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:51,100
Okay.

741
01:05:53,340 --> 01:06:00,560
There's another good map that depicts the theme 100-year flood plan.

742
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:07,120
It was part of the June 24th staff report that we had.

743
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:12,360
I think it's about the seventh slide, and it's an aerial photograph, and so it doesn't

744
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:20,580
have on it the proposed general plan elements, it's just like the current city, and it

745
01:06:20,580 --> 01:06:25,000
does show the floodplain is being pretty extensive.

746
01:06:29,650 --> 01:06:37,630
I think the hesitancy I have in making a motion or a recommendation to consider expanding

747
01:06:37,630 --> 01:06:46,290
to the Northeast or Northwest is that I think such a recommendation needs to have a contingency

748
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:57,730
in it, that provided that there is in place some type of comprehensive plan for dealing with

749
01:06:57,730 --> 01:07:00,630
stormwater management and flooding.

750
01:07:02,350 --> 01:07:07,070
That's either part of an individual development or that's part of an overall comprehensive

751
01:07:07,070 --> 01:07:12,950
plan for the whole city, because I think that's one of our probably our single biggest

752
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:21,230
constraint now and expanding outward is those designations, but as you say, there were

753
01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:24,010
last done in 2010, we don't know how accurate they are.

754
01:07:25,110 --> 01:07:32,590
So I think that's where I am right now is I could support recommendations to show where

755
01:07:32,590 --> 01:07:37,530
we'd like to go, what we'd like to build through the year 2050, contingent upon their

756
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:40,830
being adequate stormwater management and flood control.

757
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,920
I'm just going to, it's more of a question to put on the record, I guess.

758
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:59,680
I heard news, I was just actually trying to do a quick look up that there is consideration

759
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:07,780
by the flood agencies to increase the flooding area of the causeway, and that might include

760
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:13,860
more land and yellow county and I don't know if that means the northeast

761
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:19,400
you know area so I don't have anything more than that to add right now

762
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:24,340
I didn't come prepared you know with the details on it but I know I heard it

763
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:39,480
it's in response to the super El Nino in preparation for that is what I

764
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:51,280
Last time we did talk about annexing the Northwest and that recommendation passed without me and now we're talking about the North East.

765
01:08:51,820 --> 01:09:07,560
So I'll also note that even though this floodplain map is from 2010, you know, what doesn't show up in these repeated maps of our floodplain is the area south of the city, so that really seems like a great place to focus.

766
01:09:08,380 --> 01:09:14,580
So I guess what I'm hearing from my fellow commissioners is some hesitancy to make any recommendations

767
01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:20,240
in the Northeast and that we would table that long-term

768
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,460
or anyone can make a motion to move

769
01:09:25,460 --> 01:09:25,920
it forward.

770
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:31,740
One of the motions, again, that didn't pass, that I proposed last time was saying, how

771
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:40,260
we just say we won't develop in a floodplain, but we do, you know, we couldn't, we couldn't expand

772
01:09:40,260 --> 01:09:45,380
in a contiguous fashion from Davis, not leapfrog development, but contiguous development,

773
01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:51,260
where we're not in the floodplain, which would get at these, these questions of being in the

774
01:09:51,260 --> 01:09:58,040
northeast, but not being within the floodplain, or the covelled village area, but below the channel,

775
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,980
And then in a little bit more blood.

776
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,840
So, there are areas that are also within the floodplain below the channel.

777
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:17,650
I think the hesitancy I have in just flat out saying, we won't come up with a new land use plan

778
01:10:17,650 --> 01:10:25,950
for the year 2050. If it's in a currently mat floodplain area is that this is a plan for 2050,

779
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:31,310
and we just don't know what might happen along the lines of what Sherry is discussing,

780
01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:34,870
comprehensive flood control and storm management funds.

781
01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:41,150
We don't know what engineering solutions may evolve in the next 24 years.

782
01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:46,910
So I think it's a hesitancy I have in passing a motion that this sort of uniformly

783
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:52,410
says, nope, we won't go where it's mapped because we could be short-changing ourselves

784
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:56,750
from some creativity in how we approach these issues in the future.

785
01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:57,570
Well,

786
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:08,400
we can't go back and revisit the notion of building the above A, because that's when

787
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,920
voted on A soon, which happened.

788
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:12,140
Is that correct?

789
01:11:12,460 --> 01:11:13,820
I'm not trying to advocate for that.

790
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:18,560
I'm just looking at the same thing that I'm sure every person has room has seen besides

791
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:23,980
the governor's statement about, and I tried to make that point at the last meeting, that

792
01:11:23,980 --> 01:11:25,620
we are in for a wiper.

793
01:11:26,540 --> 01:11:32,420
The data keeps getting worse and worse about what we can expect in California, specifically

794
01:11:32,420 --> 01:11:41,080
around El Nino. It's moved from, oh, this could be among the top three, to it will be above

795
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:49,680
the worst of the three. So if we're not considering that as we move forward and we go and pass

796
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:57,640
something without any vision of what a potential storm of that nature could cause for us and I know

797
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:04,500
people have been tracking, like, how do you go from a, basically, a, a wind storm of 50 miles an

798
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:14,200
hour to a cat five hurricane in 24 hours? We've seen that happen just the other day. So I,

799
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:20,320
I just caution us to be very, very careful about the choices we make about expanding it to

800
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,820
anything that looks like a floodplain at this particular point in time. And I don't know if there's

801
01:12:25,820 --> 01:12:28,680
ways to check in on things as we move forward.

802
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,160
Are there checkpoints built into the general plan?

803
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:36,060
Should catastrophic events occur?

804
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:39,120
Should we have that built into our general plan?

805
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:39,780
Will we revisit?

806
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:41,700
I mean, what do we have to signal?

807
01:12:41,980 --> 01:12:43,060
Well, that's it.

808
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:44,200
We've made that decision.

809
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:45,420
That's the best we can do.

810
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,040
Have another just quick comment.

811
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,860
The map that you have here, Greg, and the one that we have here.

812
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:54,720
I know GIS, I'm not offering to do it.

813
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:01,900
taking those two maps and combining them should take no more than an hour with somebody who knows what they're doing with these two maps.

814
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:07,580
He's looking at a murder. This is an updated version of the female one. Is that what that is?

815
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:17,720
Yeah, I was included in the June 24th Staff Report. We had the General Plan update. It's the seventh slide in that package.

816
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:26,720
And it's an aerial, so it shows the current city and then in sort of a medium blue color

817
01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:33,880
outlined the hundred-year floodplain, which it's interesting that it notes at the bottom

818
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:39,100
of the page, a hundred-year floodplain, of course, means 1% chance of flooding each year,

819
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,360
26% chance of major flooding over the period of a typical 30-year mortgage.

820
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,500
Does it say on there where we got that map from?

821
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:51,580
Yeah, it's in the consultants.

822
01:13:53,060 --> 01:13:53,550
It's in...

823
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,920
Well, I'm assuming they got it from FEMA.

824
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:57,740
So it's the same.

825
01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:04,960
Yeah, the title of the exhibit is federal emergency management agency and Davis floodplain.

826
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:06,640
Yeah, it's the same.

827
01:14:09,190 --> 01:14:10,590
It's just the way it's depicted.

828
01:14:10,590 --> 01:14:11,630
One

829
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:22,360
more clear to see on this exhibit because it doesn't have all the multitude of colors that appear in the draft general plain land use map.

830
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,320
Madam Chair, if I might, yes, absolutely.

831
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:41,660
I know that it's a very unsettling idea to move ahead with the idea of moving ahead with land uses that are in the flood plain, but I want you to think about one thing.

832
01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:45,600
We're only picking my end uses here.

833
01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:51,500
You still have eight elements to get through,

834
01:14:52,340 --> 01:14:53,880
of the general planet itself,

835
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,900
that all deal with various kinds of issues

836
01:14:57,900 --> 01:14:59,980
that would affect these lines.

837
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:13,400
So, as far as, as I can see, you have many, many opportunities still to be able to come back to your land use plan and say, hey, you know what?

838
01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:26,040
This sure isn't going to look like it's work. Like when we do the hazards section or the safety section, which is where we're more than likely going to get into these floodplain issues and a whole lot more detail than we are right now.

839
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:32,240
You may have to say, hey, I think we may have to dial back our plan or figure out another way.

840
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:38,320
In fact, I had a conversation with our consultant, just the day before yesterday.

841
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:44,220
And I said, you know, this isn't going to be the final version, right?

842
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:45,700
And she said, oh, yeah, I know.

843
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:53,080
I'd be highly surprised if we got the blessing, if you will,

844
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:58,800
to on a land use plan from the city council, and then we move forward into policy writing

845
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:04,740
and all the other chapters. And we didn't make one change to that land use plan. That would

846
01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:12,200
be shocking to me. Yeah. Can I ask a follow-up question? I hear what you're saying. And at the same

847
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:19,280
time, this map that's before us right now looked at annexing and developing the northwest and the

848
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,960
with ease, but not the south.

849
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,700
Not where we're clear of a lot of the floodplain issues.

850
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,660
And to me, it seems like, yes, we can make tweaks

851
01:16:28,660 --> 01:16:29,260
and adjustments.

852
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,720
But if we're saying, actually, I have been

853
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,240
listened to a lot of public comment

854
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,600
and folks who don't want us to develop in the floodplain,

855
01:16:36,620 --> 01:16:40,480
who will be upset about a general plan that proposes that,

856
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:43,040
why don't we just not do that right now

857
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:47,600
and make a plan to develop in the high ground and start moving

858
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,460
ourselves down a feasible path.

859
01:16:50,740 --> 01:16:52,980
What you haven't seen is the revised map.

860
01:16:53,380 --> 01:16:54,340
I've seen it.

861
01:16:54,340 --> 01:16:55,880
It includes the South area.

862
01:16:56,700 --> 01:17:00,060
But you do realize that we don't have a whole lot of room

863
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:00,860
in the South area.

864
01:17:00,860 --> 01:17:04,600
All we have is, and this isn't going to be very easy to see.

865
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,120
It's right here.

866
01:17:06,260 --> 01:17:09,920
This sort of triangle shape between mace and to the west

867
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,120
where Puerto Rico is.

868
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:11,920
That's it.

869
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,140
That's all we have.

870
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,200
We can't do a land swap with Solano County and it's going to take years.

871
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:25,120
It's a general plan to 2050 and we already own land the city owns land in Solano County.

872
01:17:25,300 --> 01:17:29,140
Yes, so that means they have jurisdiction. We don't.

873
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:43,120
You could, I have suggested to some members of the general plan committee that maybe the idea of going to the south is something that you put in the general plan as an overall policy.

874
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:52,360
policy, but if you think that is going to solve your beating your rena requirement and getting

875
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,320
economic development land use available, it won't.

876
01:17:55,420 --> 01:18:00,820
It's going to take years and besides of which, that assumes if we could get salono to

877
01:18:00,820 --> 01:18:07,060
agree and if we can get the state to agree, which we don't, we don't know.

878
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:11,160
And if we go to the south, we're probably going to have to go all the way down to pedrick,

879
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:19,060
not just what you see here, but even more, because we're going to need a second way in and out of that entire area.

880
01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:23,380
You cannot serve that whole area off of baseball of art.

881
01:18:23,940 --> 01:18:25,100
Can I ask a follow-up question?

882
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:33,000
The Nishi Project wasn't it an annexation in Solano County?

883
01:18:33,660 --> 01:18:33,820
No.

884
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:36,020
No, it got switched over.

885
01:18:36,260 --> 01:18:38,500
It got swapped between your locality and Solano.

886
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:40,800
And how long did that take for Solano?

887
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,020
It happened before I got here, so I don't know.

888
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:44,700
That might be worth investigating,

889
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,300
because if it's been done before,

890
01:18:47,780 --> 01:18:52,340
we're talking about hundreds of acres versus what is that?

891
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:56,080
57, I mean, it's a big difference.

892
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,840
The only other thing, I have a little more clarification.

893
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,020
The OS Army Corps of Engineers has tentatively selected a plan

894
01:19:11,020 --> 01:19:13,900
to widen the oil bypass in eastern Yellow County.

895
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:25,460
And it's more the upper L-Corn basin, so I don't know that it's going to affect that area we have proposed here, but just an FYI.

896
01:19:26,020 --> 01:19:36,140
We can look into that and see what they think is going to happen. I suspect it wouldn't be significantly different considering we're.

897
01:19:36,140 --> 01:19:40,740
They end up flooding 1,200 more acres is what is the potential for it.

898
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:51,180
Commissioner McLaughlin is part of our land use committee. Do you have anything to add?

899
01:20:03,570 --> 01:20:06,610
Can you speak into the microphones of the public, can hear you?

900
01:20:07,190 --> 01:20:13,710
Yeah. In other words, to what extent can you be conditional in drafting general plan?

901
01:20:14,450 --> 01:20:17,870
Because if it's everything's conditional, then it's more like suggestions.

902
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:24,810
And I'm not a firm plan, but this is the issue that's unique to Davis.

903
01:20:24,810 --> 01:20:29,590
I mean, I think you put, I've never heard that before, but yeah, we're on and on.

904
01:20:32,090 --> 01:20:40,770
And there's the flood issues in natural areas that you would think for expansions.

905
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:43,770
So I don't know.

906
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:50,350
I'd like to think about the issue, and maybe we could kind of consult around, see, you know,

907
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:53,210
is there a way to draft this issue?

908
01:20:53,210 --> 01:21:00,770
I've seen it done basically what other cities who have maybe it's not floodplain issues maybe it's

909
01:21:00,770 --> 01:21:04,790
some other issue where they don't have some kind of infrastructure built or you know they

910
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:10,290
need a big freeway interchange or something. They basically say in their general plan and

911
01:21:10,290 --> 01:21:16,610
in a policy that developers or people who are meeting people who would actually build on these

912
01:21:16,610 --> 01:21:22,630
lands are not allowed to come in and build on anything. I've got any additional entitlements

913
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:29,270
until they come in with something of, let's say, 200 acres or 300 acres at a time.

914
01:21:30,170 --> 01:21:36,650
And what that allows for is a lot more master planning of facilities and infrastructure

915
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:41,690
than you get on a 75 acre parcel like did on bread and woods.

916
01:21:42,370 --> 01:21:50,230
And so what we might do is write policies that say, you can't come in and do a 50 acre parcel.

917
01:21:50,650 --> 01:21:51,350
That's not going to work.

918
01:21:51,350 --> 01:22:04,530
Or if you do, you have to go and work with the guy who owns the land that's up here where maybe they're down here and you're up here, and that's where the detention basin needs to be.

919
01:22:04,750 --> 01:22:07,750
Okay, Mr. Developer, go figure it out.

920
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:17,030
I had a project in Rockland that was 900 acres, five different people. They all had different objectives about who was going to do what?

921
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:25,910
And they were trying desperately to make sure that the land uses that got assigned to their properties were equal between them.

922
01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:28,690
Well, we did a pretty good job of that.

923
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:37,290
But then when time came to build, they were not too excited about having to build bridges across creeks, or detention basins,

924
01:22:37,770 --> 01:22:39,750
or any of that kind of stuff because guess what?

925
01:22:39,790 --> 01:22:42,710
You don't make money when you have to build those kind of improvements.

926
01:22:42,710 --> 01:22:48,290
But there was no way they were going to be able to build houses and other things until those things were there.

927
01:22:48,990 --> 01:22:53,790
So we forced them via policy to say, you got to figure it out.

928
01:22:54,050 --> 01:22:56,630
You guys figured it out and then come back and see us when you're ready.

929
01:22:57,530 --> 01:22:58,790
And they did.

930
01:22:59,890 --> 01:23:00,930
They did.

931
01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:03,730
It's all about motivation and incentive.

932
01:23:03,870 --> 01:23:05,050
It can be done.

933
01:23:05,330 --> 01:23:10,230
It hasn't been done in Davis because we've always done one little project, one little project,

934
01:23:10,230 --> 01:23:12,510
one little project, and we don't connect the roads.

935
01:23:13,190 --> 01:23:15,090
We don't connect the drainage.

936
01:23:16,050 --> 01:23:18,230
It's one piece, as I said, and we

937
01:23:18,230 --> 01:23:21,530
like we have several giant cul-de-saxs off a cul-de-el.

938
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:25,950
Because you can't go any other way in between.

939
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:29,480
Same thing for drainage.

940
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:32,560
Can I come in?

941
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:32,980
Yes.

942
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:39,380
So just a recommendation to staff to consider.

943
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,680
Doing contracts going forward for anything.

944
01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:47,120
make sure that we own the GIS maps that they create.

945
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:48,620
Well, we're going to get them at the end.

946
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:50,480
Oh, thank you.

947
01:23:51,140 --> 01:23:53,300
Oh, we're going to get them at the end.

948
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:53,900
Thank you.

949
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,140
We just don't have them in the interim.

950
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,520
No, I've done that, and that's really bad.

951
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:03,800
All right.

952
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,160
Do we have any further questions or comments?

953
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,660
Does anyone want to make a motion on this?

954
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:10,580
Sure.

955
01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:26,150
I can talk to them about it.

956
01:24:26,150 --> 01:24:33,390
And we can possibly come back with some generic recommendations of kind of something like

957
01:24:33,390 --> 01:24:35,810
what I described about how that would work.

958
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:37,670
We can do that.

959
01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:39,110
That would be very interesting.

960
01:24:45,620 --> 01:24:52,740
I'll just say also that I think in Davis, I mean one of my concerns with the general plan

961
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:57,340
update is that we have heard from the public a lot about floodplains and how important

962
01:24:57,340 --> 01:24:58,060
they are.

963
01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:59,980
And so I worry that if we don't

964
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:09,020
Listen and make a recommendation to not develop in them or just really mitigate them that that will cause problems later on.

965
01:25:09,260 --> 01:25:21,220
And I also, yeah, I also worry that a development where we're saying it's going to be a large scale, large developer. Davis has always preferred small local shops.

966
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:27,600
And so I, you know, I'm just, I think that's going to take some, it's going to take

967
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,000
some airing out with the public and some time for folks to think through and talk and

968
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,680
voice opinions on as well.

969
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:39,920
I understand that and I understand that people have thought that way for many, many years.

970
01:25:40,340 --> 01:25:45,960
I personally, I'm very hopeful that will grow, will get approved and I'm hopeful that will

971
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:51,880
Grove will weigh lay all of those concerns because it's not going to get built that way.

972
01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:59,080
It's going to get built by a master developer with, I'm going to guess, several different

973
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:05,360
home builders involved because that's the way modern home construction is done.

974
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:13,600
All right.

975
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,800
I'm not seeing a motion on the table for the Northeast so I think we're, it's, we're not

976
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,480
making a recommendation on it.

977
01:26:20,980 --> 01:26:23,720
We've made our recommendation on the south

978
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,120
and then Commissioner Road did you have something else to add?

979
01:26:28,580 --> 01:26:30,480
Yeah, I do have something else.

980
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:33,420
And I apologize this will take a few minutes.

981
01:26:34,340 --> 01:26:35,400
Just some background here.

982
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,180
I was appointed to this Commission in January of 2018

983
01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:42,580
and at that time I was handed this massive document.

984
01:26:42,580 --> 01:26:47,520
It's a 2007 general plan, and I read it, covered a cover.

985
01:26:49,100 --> 01:26:52,540
I was very interested in it, because I come from a planning background professionally.

986
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:59,500
I took that time to read it, covered a cover again last December, and I really carefully

987
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:06,620
evaluated it in the context of the multitude of projects and policy decisions that I've

988
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:10,380
to be involved in during the last eight and a half years.

989
01:27:10,660 --> 01:27:14,500
And also in the context of the zoning code, which actually, of course,

990
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:16,180
implements the general plan.

991
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:20,680
And that resulted in a long memo I wrote, which at that point was about

992
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,870
ten pages that was addressed to the planning staff, and which I,

993
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,020
basically, point by point section by section,

994
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,000
did a critique of the current general plan.

995
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:38,040
I recently revised that memo with some valuable input from my co-member on the land use

996
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,740
concepts committee events, McLaughlin.

997
01:27:41,620 --> 01:27:45,880
The intent of that memo is to provide what I hope will be useful back on information

998
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:50,180
for this commission and for the general plan committee.

999
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:55,620
I looked at everything from the vision community forum, the principles used in creating

1000
01:27:55,620 --> 01:28:00,120
in that land use map, growth, management policies, growth,

1001
01:28:00,620 --> 01:28:01,220
management, and infill.

1002
01:28:01,620 --> 01:28:04,380
I should mention that everybody on the commission

1003
01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:06,620
received a copy of this memo this afternoon,

1004
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:11,000
and there was, I think, a copy in that green binder at the back.

1005
01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:18,440
And I guess, I came up with in general about six conclusions

1006
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:21,260
and recommendations in the 11th page memo.

1007
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,560
I think the first observation is that the current general plan

1008
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:32,000
was adopted in 2007, it was adopted that at that time, in the context of the circumstances

1009
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:36,460
and perceived community needs, at that time, that no longer exist.

1010
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,700
As such, I find it to be outmoded, overly prescriptive, cumbersome, and restrictive in a manner

1011
01:28:43,700 --> 01:28:47,540
that constrains economic and housing development in the city of Davis.

1012
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:54,520
We've seen this evidence of this in a presentation that Vince and I received from Katie

1013
01:28:54,520 --> 01:29:00,000
Nancy, where she summarized her interviews that she's had with business leaders and potential

1014
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:06,100
developers who have said, your general plan, especially the PDs, plan development districts

1015
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:10,720
that are inherent in the zoning code, just makes it really difficult to develop in Davis.

1016
01:29:11,860 --> 01:29:17,520
It's almost as if the current general plan is intended to discourage development from that

1017
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:23,740
The primary goal of the general plan, and this appears in page after page after page, is to preserve

1018
01:29:23,740 --> 01:29:27,240
the small university ambience and character of Davis.

1019
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,280
When in reality, I think what we need is a new general plan that promotes and provides for future

1020
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:36,360
economic and economic development and housing opportunities.

1021
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:42,200
I think what we need to realize in developing this new general plan is that we're part of a dynamic

1022
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:52,760
and evolving metropolitan area, and like her or not, the city of Davis is in direct competition with other cities for employment generating development.

1023
01:29:53,740 --> 01:29:59,960
And as the people who have been interviewed by KDNC, you said, our general plan doesn't do that. It doesn't, it doesn't encourage.

1024
01:30:01,540 --> 01:30:09,580
I think we need a general plan that enables our city to leverage the advantages that it has to obtain our share of economic advancement.

1025
01:30:10,820 --> 01:30:18,780
The other thing that's kind of strange is the current general plan is a major emphasis on providing off-campus housing for UC Davis students,

1026
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:25,080
which has allowed UC Davis to avoid this responsibility to provide on-campus housing.

1027
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:33,240
I think the new general plan update should include specific policies that will encourage UC Davis to substantially increase on campus housing.

1028
01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:42,820
Historically, just as some background is, this commission was looking at a major student housing project in 2018.

1029
01:30:43,140 --> 01:30:51,460
It was the university mall redevelopment and it was proposed for four or five stories of rent by the bed luxury student housing on top of the mall.

1030
01:30:51,460 --> 01:30:58,060
And this commission unanimously and vigorously on a 7-0 vote said don't do it.

1031
01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:05,400
We've already approved four big housing projects, 1,000 units and 4,000 beds for

1032
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:06,100
student housing.

1033
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:07,420
And we said no.

1034
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:11,640
Unfortunately, the council didn't abide by that, but there seems to be at least in recent

1035
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:18,620
years of pretty consistent emphasis on having UC Davis take care of its own.

1036
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:25,700
Number four, when we get to the zoning code, I think we need to completely drop this idea of planned development districts.

1037
01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:28,680
There are layered on top of the existing zoning.

1038
01:31:28,860 --> 01:31:33,640
And again, that's something that Katie cited as an example of the problems that developers have.

1039
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:37,860
When they want to do something in Davis, they look at the zoning code that come in to do a,

1040
01:31:37,860 --> 01:31:41,680
give a proposal, and they go, oh, well, by the way, you've also got to look at the PD.

1041
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,800
We have 150 of these PDs.

1042
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:50,980
I can't keep track of them. I don't know how the city staff keeps on track. I think we need to get rid of them.

1043
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:59,100
So I think the conclusion of this memo is that we need to continue proceeding with a completely new general plan.

1044
01:31:59,340 --> 01:32:02,840
The focus is on economic development, job creation, and housing opportunities.

1045
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:14,660
In the last point, getting back to the discussion we just had here is that successfully implementing this general plan is going to require comprehensive plans and strategies for storm water management.

1046
01:32:14,660 --> 01:32:21,700
in Flint Control. So you all have the 11-page memo. I hope you have a opportunity to look at it.

1047
01:32:22,380 --> 01:32:28,040
I don't know when it's going to get broader distribution. I appreciate the excellent input. I got

1048
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:35,140
from Vincent and I've been doing this for eight and a half almost nine years on this commission

1049
01:32:35,140 --> 01:32:43,300
and I can't in good conscience look at what exists now that many people think shouldn't be changed at all

1050
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:48,420
and say this is the way forward because I don't think it's going to get us to where we need

1051
01:32:48,420 --> 01:32:48,760
to be.

1052
01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:53,740
I think we need to focus on how we can be a dynamic city that's open to the future rather

1053
01:32:53,740 --> 01:32:55,320
than trying to preserve the past.

1054
01:32:55,860 --> 01:32:56,860
So that's all.

1055
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:58,160
All right.

1056
01:32:58,240 --> 01:32:59,240
Thank you, Commissioner Rowe.

1057
01:32:59,460 --> 01:33:06,340
I just, I'm going to just soften what you said a little bit by saying that I think a lot

1058
01:33:06,340 --> 01:33:11,220
of the folks who worked very hard on our general plan and have made Davis what it is today.

1059
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:16,780
care a lot about it. And I don't hear them saying they don't want to change anything. I hear

1060
01:33:16,780 --> 01:33:24,180
them being anxious about some of the changes. So I think as we continue to collaborate on our

1061
01:33:24,180 --> 01:33:30,160
2050 vision, it's important to acknowledge that collective work and figure out how to move

1062
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:35,420
together and honor that work. For what it was then, we're in a different space now.

1063
01:33:35,420 --> 01:34:04,280
All right, along those lines, we've tabled the conversation about the North East and our conversation tonight made me think about the recommendation that we made for the South and also we have recommendations from the Transportation Commission, so what I'd like to do now for our general plan update recommendations is one put forward on the table.

1064
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,020
explicitly we had said look at annexing south but now hearing our director of community

1065
01:34:11,020 --> 01:34:14,500
development say we don't have much room I want to be explicit that we should

1066
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:21,280
explore land swaps with Solano County so I wanted to see if my fellow commissioners

1067
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,760
were interested in that and then also if they were any of the transportation

1068
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:32,040
commission recommendations that they wanted to second as we move forward

1069
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:35,860
I would

1070
01:34:35,860 --> 01:34:43,420
a motion that this part of the general plan update process, we vigorously examine the potential

1071
01:34:43,420 --> 01:34:46,180
for doing landslops with Sloan O'Connor.

1072
01:34:55,020 --> 01:34:56,100
Do we need any discussion?

1073
01:34:56,300 --> 01:34:56,980
Are we ready to?

1074
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:17,580
Is that an exploration of that or is that a recommendation that we do it? Reason I'm asking that is if Sherry is correct that the process of doing it will take years, maybe that's a variable, maybe it isn't.

1075
01:35:17,980 --> 01:35:29,200
The other question is the cost involved in that. I mean, there's certainly some challenges to how much money we actually do have in our budget, but that's another question.

1076
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:38,620
So, I would, I'd be for it if it were contingent upon some really good understanding of what

1077
01:35:38,620 --> 01:35:44,840
that really means, because just to put it in there without a deeper understanding of how

1078
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:51,100
we go about that, maybe we should have, or I thought, being focused on other things rather

1079
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:51,600
than that.

1080
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:57,340
If, in fact, it's the criteria just that it doesn't work, it doesn't work for us, and within

1081
01:35:57,340 --> 01:36:04,780
the time frame we'd like it to, or it would require such legislation and various levels

1082
01:36:04,780 --> 01:36:10,800
of approval that would take us, you said, Sherry, literally years for it to work, and maybe

1083
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,120
we're okay with that, but I certainly like to know what those are before you jumped into

1084
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:14,440
that.

1085
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:21,260
I heard Commissioner Rowe Beckham and it was Explore, Landswops with Solano County.

1086
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:30,920
I mean, we just investigate feasibility a little bit over in the next couple months and then we could refine the concept.

1087
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:36,970
The Jew of any questions about this motion on the table?

1088
01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:38,250
No.

1089
01:36:38,890 --> 01:36:39,090
All right.

1090
01:36:39,150 --> 01:36:40,990
Are we ready to move it forward?

1091
01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:43,010
All in favor?

1092
01:36:43,390 --> 01:36:43,950
All right.

1093
01:36:44,170 --> 01:36:44,370
Hi.

1094
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:51,460
That an eye.

1095
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:52,700
Okay.

1096
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:54,440
That's unanimous support.

1097
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:54,900
Wonderful.

1098
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,640
The next piece of this is, do we want to consider seconding any of the

1099
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,900
recommendations from the Transportation Commission.

1100
01:37:06,730 --> 01:37:08,450
I think I'd like to hear them again.

1101
01:37:12,220 --> 01:37:14,080
Oh, my notes aren't good enough.

1102
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,020
Could I bother Commissioner,

1103
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,560
hosting to come up and read the recommendations through to us?

1104
01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:28,740
And do them slowly, so in this world.

1105
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:31,640
I am also pushing.

1106
01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:34,340
They needed to go slow.

1107
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:36,700
I was working against public comment

1108
01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:39,560
and the time that was allowed it for that.

1109
01:37:41,020 --> 01:37:44,920
Two of them were refinements of what came to planning before around

1110
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:49,560
Activity and also how one gets across major thoroughfares,

1111
01:37:49,740 --> 01:37:51,420
great separate crossings.

1112
01:37:54,820 --> 01:37:56,100
There was

1113
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:02,080
a recommendation to prioritize targeted dwelling units,

1114
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,980
increased by promoting density on the transit corridors

1115
01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:07,740
to four stories of more or more.

1116
01:38:07,740 --> 01:38:11,340
That is also in response to what the plan of commission I talked about.

1117
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:13,720
We second the Jew I think in effect.

1118
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:20,720
We talked about the idea of developing the neighborhood shopping centers for daily needs.

1119
01:38:20,900 --> 01:38:24,120
We said groceries, medical care, and other day today.

1120
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:29,760
This is around this idea that you want to put things that people need, close to people live,

1121
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:32,420
so that they have options to not drive everywhere.

1122
01:38:32,860 --> 01:38:35,040
That's not a mandate that you cannot drive anywhere.

1123
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,940
It is just to give people options outside of a car.

1124
01:38:43,780 --> 01:38:49,100
We recommend it to prioritize potential green field sites

1125
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:52,240
for their proximity to local trip generators.

1126
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,180
If and when the city is going to expand

1127
01:38:55,860 --> 01:39:00,040
how close you put that to current trip generators matters

1128
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,600
from a transportation perspective.

1129
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:05,180
If it's further away people will drive or travel more

1130
01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:07,920
the travel too far, they will travel by car.

1131
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,020
That is the philosophy behind that.

1132
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,000
We added a note of caution from a transportation

1133
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,800
perspective on the experience in south of Willow Bank.

1134
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:23,140
And I think I have heard that that's also articulate

1135
01:39:23,140 --> 01:39:25,740
concerns on, you know, there is a bottleneck on

1136
01:39:25,740 --> 01:39:27,260
transportation there.

1137
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:35,160
We, from a purely land use perspective, put back

1138
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:42,400
put forward a recommendation that is a corner on the campus, current campus land, that for

1139
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:50,100
a proximity to downtown proximity to existing schools, is a location that would be remiss

1140
01:39:50,100 --> 01:39:52,720
to not explore.

1141
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:58,260
Maybe tie it to some of the floodplain issues that have been coming up in the community.

1142
01:39:58,940 --> 01:39:59,980
Um, there is a net.

1143
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,100
But it's rate of barrier there. You may specific about what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm talking about there is a whole corner next to the 1-13 next to Russell, that is why it opened land, that it's act land right now.

1144
01:40:10,100 --> 01:40:19,460
It is not city jurisdiction, but it's right next to a bunch of freeway access and it's right next to downtown and it's right next to campus. If you looked at.

1145
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:26,740
1-13 in Russell or 1-13 in health sciences? No, 1-13 in Russell. This is the corner of 1-13 in Russell.

1146
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:35,780
If you looked at the campus and the city as one unit, which most residents, you know, go back and forth all the time,

1147
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:42,280
that is a location that's from a purely land use and transportation planning makes a lot of sense.

1148
01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:50,300
And we seem to, the recommendation of the transportation was to not let that go on export.

1149
01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:57,640
And then we made a general recommendation to, this is separate, this is separate from the, hey, do we,

1150
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:04,420
Annex, who doesn't matter who develops it if that location is a proof of location, or a better location in

1151
01:41:04,420 --> 01:41:07,080
many other locations to put housing.

1152
01:41:07,420 --> 01:41:15,300
And then we talked about how we benchmarked the success of transportation networks for

1153
01:41:15,300 --> 01:41:21,660
their ability to be accessible to young people, to old people, to people who might not have access

1154
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:27,440
to cars, be as inclusive as possible, and implement policy goals to reduce the household

1155
01:41:27,440 --> 01:41:28,760
vehicle and the ships.

1156
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:33,680
And again, these were transmitted to staff and I was told they were transmitted to planning

1157
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:38,340
a week ago, so the only reason why this came up now, because they apparently had not been

1158
01:41:38,340 --> 01:41:38,720
transmitted.

1159
01:41:39,580 --> 01:41:41,740
I came here to listen not to participate.

1160
01:41:42,700 --> 01:41:44,300
Thank you for participating nonetheless.

1161
01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:51,520
All right, fellow commissioners, any of those recommendations from transportation commission?

1162
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:54,300
We would like to second.

1163
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:03,900
Eight to be a blocker of progress here, but I prefer to see him in writing and have some

1164
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:09,380
chance to contemplate him and perhaps then be in the staff report for the, all the things

1165
01:42:09,380 --> 01:42:11,720
who were rolling over October 28th.

1166
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,180
I just, I respond better to written more.

1167
01:42:16,950 --> 01:42:20,090
I concur, I prefer to see it flushed out in black and white.

1168
01:42:21,670 --> 01:42:26,030
Um, so now recall that we've seen it, I mean, I guess it was

1169
01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:26,670
conveyed to staff.

1170
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:30,970
It hasn't made its way into any document that I know it's been provided to us.

1171
01:42:31,610 --> 01:42:35,530
Samantha and Sherry, could we request that we have the transportation recommendations

1172
01:42:35,530 --> 01:42:39,350
in writing before our next meeting in October?

1173
01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:48,190
I believe you're supposed to get all of them at your next meeting in October.

1174
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:55,790
I, for some reason, don't have that note handy, but I remember seeing it somewhere

1175
01:42:55,790 --> 01:43:00,310
that that was the idea was we would get all the feedback from all the commissions

1176
01:43:00,950 --> 01:43:03,030
and that we would have that.

1177
01:43:05,790 --> 01:43:07,070
Okay, that sounds great.

1178
01:43:07,230 --> 01:43:11,090
We will wait until our next meeting, and we will prolong our general plan

1179
01:43:11,090 --> 01:43:13,250
update conversation about recommendations

1180
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:15,350
and considering what we might second.

1181
01:43:15,530 --> 01:43:17,870
I have to say I'm surprised the Transportation Commission

1182
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:20,090
didn't mention exploring car-free neighborhoods.

1183
01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:22,870
So maybe that's something we can add.

1184
01:43:23,890 --> 01:43:25,890
Exploring, not doing it, exploring.

1185
01:43:27,170 --> 01:43:32,210
With that, I think we're going to close our General Plan update,

1186
01:43:32,850 --> 01:43:37,430
agenda item with no actions and turn it over

1187
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:39,850
to Sherry for the Long Range Calendar.

1188
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:46,250
Okay, again, Sherry Metsker, community development director.

1189
01:43:47,130 --> 01:43:52,630
Okay, so the, as you know, now you're down to one meeting a month,

1190
01:43:53,410 --> 01:43:56,050
and your other meeting is sort of an on-call meeting.

1191
01:43:57,270 --> 01:44:02,190
For October, we are going to use the first Wednesday

1192
01:44:02,190 --> 01:44:06,270
to do the public workshop for the General Plan Update.

1193
01:44:07,210 --> 01:44:14,210
Again, as I said, that will be held at Veterans Memorial and the public will be invited to that one.

1194
01:44:14,930 --> 01:44:20,970
So on October 28th, we will, again, discuss the general plan update.

1195
01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:25,770
We will also bring forward an ordinance amendments that relate to SB 9.

1196
01:44:27,170 --> 01:44:32,090
And chapter 40 amendments that relate to mobile vending, and that will ultimately,

1197
01:44:32,090 --> 01:44:38,670
I'm both of those two items will ultimately go forward to the city council, probably in November.

1198
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:46,810
SB 9 might get delayed a little longer, but anyway, then in November is the way the calendar fell.

1199
01:44:47,890 --> 01:44:51,250
Both Wednesdays fell on holiday days.

1200
01:44:51,530 --> 01:44:55,630
First one being Veterans Day and the second one being the night before Thanksgiving.

1201
01:44:56,810 --> 01:44:59,870
So there will be no meetings of the Planning Commission.

1202
01:44:59,870 --> 01:44:59,970
Thank you.

1203
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,120
Or any general plan meetings in November. And then we hope to have the general plan committee meeting in lieu

1204
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:17,240
of a planning commission meeting on December 9th. And no second meeting in December because, again, it

1205
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:25,640
falls the night before Christmas Eve, I think. So we aren't likely to get very good attendance, so we will just simply cancel that on.

1206
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:40,780
So that makes your first meeting in the new year January 27th, and at this point what we have on that agenda is a more general plan update although I think you're probably from this point on just going to have it all the time.

1207
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:58,780
Because we are in it now and possibly a meeting on the historic resources and training for that and I know we have some other pending regular items that we need to get scheduled as well.

1208
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:02,980
All right. Thank you.

1209
01:46:02,980 --> 01:46:04,680
We have to do a good consideration.

1210
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,640
This October 28th meeting is going to be big one for us.

1211
01:46:08,820 --> 01:46:11,020
It's going to be our last major meeting in the year.

1212
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:15,720
We're going to try to march through scores of recommendations.

1213
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:18,800
Try to adopt in this policy and a planning commission.

1214
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:24,080
If there is any possibility of getting us the at least a staff report.

1215
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:29,760
And that part of the agenda before the Thursday before the Friday before.

1216
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:40,740
That would be very helpful because I think if everybody's had time to consider all the recommendations that are floating out there, then we can move more efficiently through the material.

1217
01:46:43,020 --> 01:46:49,980
Thank you. And then the Environmental Justice Commission also has their meeting with their discussing general plan updates upcoming, right?

1218
01:46:49,980 --> 01:46:56,700
I understand, yes, so that might be something to put on your calendar and attend to listen in person and hear how the discussion goes.

1219
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,740
And I misspoke earlier, we did have one motion with our general plan update.

1220
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:05,320
It was explore annexing and landswap with Solano County, just for the record.

1221
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:11,820
Any further comments? No? All right, with that, I adjourn our planning commission meeting.

1222
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:13,140
Thank you, everybody.

1223
02:00:06,830 --> 02:00:25,530
Back to 1957 for John Coltrane's classic album, blue train, heard moments notice, Lee Morgan on trumpet, Curtis Fuller Trombone, train on tenor sex, Kenny Drew at the piano, Paul Chambers on bass and drummer, Philly Joe Jones.

1224
02:00:25,530 --> 02:00:33,270
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1226
02:00:43,570 --> 02:00:45,470
and on the CapRadio app.

1227
02:00:45,970 --> 02:00:51,390
Reselibrating the music of John Coltrane all night long tonight, little later this

1228
02:00:51,390 --> 02:00:59,690
two great versions of giant steps. We'll also hear Michael Dome playing after the rain and Marcus Miller with Lonnie's

1229
02:00:59,690 --> 02:01:07,330
lament. Right now back to 1963 for Johnny Hartman and John Coltrane and my one and only love.

1230
02:05:00,910 --> 02:05:14,210
Every kiss you give, says my soul on my heart. I give myself a sweet souvenir,

1231
02:05:17,250 --> 02:05:18,590
my want to know.

1232
02:18:37,940 --> 02:18:59,500
Brandford Marisolis, with John Coltrane Central Park West, and before that, autumn, serenade, pairing up Brandford Marisolis and vocalist Diane Reeves in the album, dedicated to you, and they'll be celebrating Coltrane Centennial at the Mondavi Center on September 30th.

1233
02:18:59,500 --> 02:19:06,320
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1242
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Up next, the obstacle course of chord changes

1243
02:19:51,260 --> 02:19:57,200
navigated here by pianist Greg Reitan. This is John Coltrane's Giant Steps.

1244
02:27:57,650 --> 02:28:11,250
Posos, gigantees, or giant steps from pianist George Shearings album, like Fine Wine. And we hear giant steps played by pianist Greg Wright Chan from his album, some other time.

1245
02:28:11,990 --> 02:28:17,270
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As they welcome Diane Reeves in the Bradford Marsella Square set on September 30, for tribute to the 1963 collaboration between John Coltrane and Vocalist Johnny Hartman, details at MondaudiArts.org.

1247
02:28:35,970 --> 02:28:41,190
This John Coltrane is a lazy bird played by Gatorice Mark Elf.

1248
02:40:43,860 --> 02:41:09,040
Not just jazz, excellence in jazz, you just heard Miles Davis featuring John Coltrane in an alternate take of by-by-black bird, and before that lazy bird from guitarist Mark Elf's album, Swingon, and we're swinging all night long, saluting John Coltrane on the centennial of his birth. If you're enjoying tonight's program, go to our website and let us know your comments.

1249
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:15,780
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1252
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1258
02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:49,300
composed by John Coltrane.

1259
02:58:55,280 --> 02:59:11,260
Basis Marcus Miller was some help from Hubert Laws and John Coltrane's Lonnie's Lament before that trains after the rain interpreted by Mike Ladone from Mike's excellent album called, Night Song.

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02:59:11,260 --> 02:59:19,120
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1266
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and John Coltrane.

1267
03:00:15,500 --> 03:00:21,130
Watch a beautiful idea to be true.

1268
03:00:23,700 --> 03:00:24,460
Am a fool

1269
03:00:31,590 --> 03:00:37,420
by a fit that because I have found you.

1270
03:00:40,090 --> 03:00:41,790
I could have bound

1271
03:00:47,390 --> 03:00:49,110
you, watch a beautiful

1272
03:00:55,420 --> 03:00:57,220
one lucky fool.

1273
03:01:06,980 --> 03:01:08,940
With eyes of her own

1274
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:23,780
love does not stand shall we?

1275
03:01:26,500 --> 03:01:27,100
Now

1276
03:01:34,360 --> 03:01:35,860
have you been

1277
03:01:41,400 --> 03:01:45,920
my every kiss? With a,

1278
03:01:57,650 --> 03:01:58,670
not through a spell.

1279
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1282
03:09:46,390 --> 03:09:47,170
song flute.

1283
03:29:58,580 --> 03:29:59,980
And call trains, equal, no, no, no.

1284
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,680
From October 26th, 1960, train on tenor, a coitiner, piano, Steve Davis on bass and drummer Elvin Jones.

1285
03:30:10,800 --> 03:30:20,760
And we also heard giant steps from 1959 with Tommy Flanagan on piano, Paul Chambers on bass and art tailor on drums.

1286
03:30:20,760 --> 03:30:27,200
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John called trains like sunny

1292
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The Secretary-invent of Reworking of John Coltrane's Lonnie's Lament from Annette Cohen and her album, Poetica,

1293
03:48:20,080 --> 03:48:28,820
before that John Coltrane himself teeming up with Duke Allington to jazz giants, we heard, in a sentimental mood.

1294
03:48:29,640 --> 03:48:32,020
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You're on excellence in jazz on the centennial of his birth.

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Coming up next, some spiritual work.

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John Coltrane's wise one played by guitarist Peter Bernstein.

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One cold train's Alabama introverted by saxophonist Diego Rivera from his album Love and Peace. This is

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excellence in jazz from Cap Radio Classical in jazz. This is Frank Maranzino, Cap Radio's President. The

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Capradio provides in this region truly matters.

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We exist to help you navigate what's happening around you, and to help connect you to the

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community.

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Thank you for helping us invest in local journalism and the music spires.

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Thank you for helping me make Capradio service to the community possible.

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We've got two very different versions of John Coltrane's Equinox, one from San Francisco

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based Trombonus Wayne Wallace, the other from VibesPlayer Dick Sisto. Enjoy.

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On cold trains, Mr. Sims, done up by Jason, it's trio from the album, Altered Egos. And this is

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cap, radio, 88.9, Sacramento, and 91.7, Grovelin, Sonora. I'm Gary Verchelli, if you're enjoying

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our special Ajahn cold train, let us know. Go to our website, make a comment. We get support from

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the Community of Symphony, presenting the Sibelius Symphony No. 1, and Opera Rias by

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Puchini, and Verdi with soprano Rena Harms.

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That's this Saturday at 730, I'm at the McClatchy High School Auditorium, more information

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at commeliuscympany.org.

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Afro Blue is always associated with John Coltrane.

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It was composed by Mongols, Santa Maria, and we're going to hear two versions right now.

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One from Vocalist Liz, right the other from the Curtis Brothers.

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Latin version of John Coltrane's giant steps done up by poncho Sanchez from his album Trains to Light. And before that Afro Blue came from the Curtis Brothers. This is Excellence in Jazz from Cap Radio Classical in Jazz. I'm Gary Vachelli with the Music Tell Midnight.

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Up next, pianists who spent a brief time in John Coltrane's ban, Steve Cune, this is Steve with John Coltrane's countdown.

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Countdown played by pianist Steve Cune.

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From Sacramento State, this is Capital Public Radio, KXPRFM and HD Sacramento, KXSR,

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Grove One Sonora, KXJS, Sutter, and KXJZHD2 Sacramento.

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Sharing your passion for jazz.

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Music moves the soul, and grounds us all in a common experience.

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Create your well, I can't bring you a dot or slash legacy with celebrating John Cole train tonight on the centennial of his birth

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Later this hour Alice Cole train, Pat Martino, McCoy Tiner, and Bobby Hutchison. Right now a poem written by John Cole train called at night. This is narrated by Julie

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Hadn with some help from Coltrane Sun, Ravi Coltrane.

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The whole train with the change my girl from his blue note album, spirit, fiction. This is excellence in jazz on Cap Radio, 88.9 Sacramento, and 88.7, et cetera. I'm Gary Richelli. We get support from the Stel Bakery and pastisiary, baking their pastries, bread and desserts on site, and serving a fall after noon tea by reservation at their ardent vocation.

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Learn more today at cabradio.org slash cars. I've been reading the new biography on Alice Coltrane

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It's really well done, and here's Alice with Blue Nile from the album, Pata, the El D'Hood.

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The first call was called, with journey in such a denonda. The set began with Alice playing blue nile from the album, Pata, the Eldi-Oood. And our centerpiece in that set came from John Coltrane and a band featuring Pharaoh Sanders recorded live in Seattle. The album's issued as a love supreme, and from that we heard, song, with Elven Jones, of course, on drums.

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This is excellence in jazz from Cap Radio, classical in jazz, and this is Pad Martina

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a joke, trains, impressions.

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That's vibraphone as Dick's sister with John Coltrane's acknowledgement from the calm spirit of life, before that the great McCoy tyner gave us Mr. Day, and we were John Coltrane's impressions played by the late guitarist Pat Martino.

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I hope within this five hours we've selected some tunes that really inspired you, it's really been a pleasure putting this program together in salute to the great John Coltrane on the centennial of his birth.

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I'm Gary Vercelli, here's Bobby Hutcherson with John Coltrane's Dear Lord.

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We're

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going to hear one of his winquintets now performed by the Berlin Philharmonic wins, so you can get to know his reputation.

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The Berlin Philharmonic Winds, with a wind quintet by German composer Franz Donzi. He was a contemporary

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of Beethoven's, who, like many, in that generation, had mixed feelings about the complicated

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character. Donzi was also a mentor of a young Carl Maria von Weber, and his music has gone

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on to be widely respected. Donzi also knew a young Mozart and the two were friends, so he really

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with quite the crowd.

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I'm Jelene Khan and I hope you're doing well and enjoying the music.

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It's really good to have your company.

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Great music for everyone to enjoy every day of the week.

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This is capital public radio.

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Over 20 years ago, the Oregon string quartet took it upon themselves to record some lesser known pieces by William Grant still.

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And this is included on that album. William Grant stills.

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Friends.

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It's in the mermaid suite.

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Prince and the Mermaid Suite, its music by William Grant still, performed and recorded by the Oregon

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String Quartet on Music Through the Night. Tonight's classical music is supported by the National

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Gallery of Art, the nation's art museum. National Gallery members fuel creativity across the country,

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join this community of art lovers from wherever you call home, starting at $75.

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Join today at NGA.gov.

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These Stockholm symphonyetta is conducted here by Namay Ervy,

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though placed symphony number seven,

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by Neil's Goddard.

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That is remembered as one of the most important Danish composers from the mid-1800s. We just heard his symphony

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number 7, performed by the Stockholm symphonyetta with conductor Namay Ervi on Music Through The Night.

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on line at capredio.org.

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It's a time for dreaming, this time of night.

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This is a piece of music that is straight out of a dream.

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Imagine traveling to the sky, being surrounded by clouds, and all of a sudden you come upon a glass cathedral. There are stain windows on the walls, and you're floating right alongside these giant crystal pillars.

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As you find your way inside the cathedral and take a seat,

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this music takes you to that

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dreamy cathedral in the sky.

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We'll go there in about 10 minutes.

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On our guitar stream at yourclassical.org, you can listen to guitar music like this anytime.

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By Manos Hajidakat, I was guitarist Elena Papandreo on Music Through the Night.

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If you're trying to get some rest tonight, this piece of music will put you in a dream-like state. Jennifer Higden wanted to create this feeling of very quiet peace at the beginning. And throughout the music, it's a celebration of the soul, and where it goes after it leaves the physical form. Higden wrote this piece,

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as it tribute to her brother.

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It's called Blue Cathedral.

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When that performance begins, we first hear from the flute. That's because Jennifer Higden is the older sibling.

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The clarinet was the instrument that her brother plays, and towards the end of that performance, the flute drops out and the clarinet continues on this upward progressing journey.

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Just like Jennifer Higden imagines her brother's soul did after he passed.

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Blue Cathedral by Jennifer Higden, Robert Spano conducted the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra on music through the night.

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I'm Jillian Khan and it's a pleasure to listen to these performances with you. Thanks for being here.

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We're going to hear a Mozart piano concerto coming up. That's about 10 minutes away.

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Captivating performances of timeless music from the great masters, you're listening to classical music on capital public radio, streaming online at capradio.org

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A symphony by Italian composer Ludovico Villedana, Dennis Russell Davies conducted the Swiss Italian orchestra on music through the night.

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In this age of fast food and quick fixes, our attention spans are kind of like nats. And a lot of things are in danger of changing.

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Metsuko Yuchita thinks that the great danger to classical music is our soundbite culture.

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She says music is like a great painting framed in time and you need all of it.

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Tonight we'll hear her play the entire-

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Higher, piano concerto number 15 by Mozart.

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Ms. Suco-Yuchita is a beloved interpreter of Mozart, and we just heard why. She played the piano concerto number 15 by Mozart with the English chamber orchestra under conductor Jeffrey Tate.

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Sacramento Classical Stream is streaming on capradio.org

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