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I call the meeting of the board of
adjustments to order. We'll start with

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the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» And we have a calling, official calling
of the roll, please.

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our coffee.

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[clears throat]
>> We can just have everybody announce

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themselves.
>> That's okay.

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» Go ahead. You can start. Mike is here.
>> Don Lynn. We have three uh members here

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which happens to be the whole board and
that forms a quorum. So we will be uh

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con considering the first case and only
one for tonight

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uh for the U
brought before the board. It is file

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number BA25
010.

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The applicant is Vining Capital
Properties 4 LLC

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and the location uh under consideration
is 127 8th Avenue, Dayton, Kentucky.

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change from one non-conforming use as an
applica as an attached two family unit

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to a detached to family unit with the
second dwelling above the garage.

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Um, is there any particulars that you
want to bring out? I I mean, we've got

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this here, but I didn't want to go
directly into quest into questions

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unless you've got
specific.

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» Okay.

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» Okay.
>> So, what what we can do is um we can

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start off by allowing the board to after
having read the appropriate doc document

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that was sent out ask any questions. U
you're Mr. Viny.

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» Okay. uh we'll start by uh directing our
questions towards you. If uh you're not

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the correct person, you can maybe steer
us to the one and we'll go from there.

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Uh if any of the board members have a
question right now, um I'll open it up

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and recognize whoever has the questions.
>> Mike, Bob,

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» I'm good.
I do have one on the staff comments kind

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of confused me a little bit which is we
all know is easy to do but

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[clears throat] it's in the one two
three fourth paragraph you're saying the

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KRS 10247
doesn't allow for the increase in

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density free dwelling
single family home shall not be sub

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subset is a rental okay as a rental into
two dwelling

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is recommended if the property is not
actively used as a rental for more than

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one family. I used to refer to that of a
single family.

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Can you give me a little more explain
that a little bit more?

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» Well, the the basic um tenor of the
paragraph is that [clears throat]

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zoning part of what zoning controls is
density. So currently have a net two

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dwelling units, one of which is
grandfathered and one of which is legal

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conforming. So in [clears throat]
essentially doing by swapping it from a

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two unit to a a unit with an accessory
unit. We're not changing the net uh

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amount of dwelling units or the net of
density of the area

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» and we're not increasing it to three.
>> That's correct.

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» Mhm.

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» Okay.
>> I apologize. I didn't read this whole

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thing. I glanced at it on my email, but
u this over garage, is that going to be

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rehabed?
>> That's what's been rehabbed. Yes.

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» What kind of egress does it have?
>> I think

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» I mean I see a door and nothing.

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» Just can you address that the
>> design there?

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» Sure. So Jack Atlin on behalf of the
Vining Group. So, I have and I don't

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know if it was in the staff report, but
I do have um what was submitted for the

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building permit, which shows where all
the ingress and egress is.

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» Okay, great.
>> Um

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» is it still going to be used as a
garage?

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» So, underneath
>> So, here's the drawings of it. Um

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[clears throat]
>> Oh, you know what? I knew I had actually

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brought copies if I may approach y'all.
>> Certainly.

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» All right. Every city has different
levels of formality.

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» Oh, I understand. We We don't stand high
on formality.

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» Just want to be careful.
>> I understand.

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» Okie do.
>> So, this is the application that was

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made building permit. You can see that
um and the building permit was granted.

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Uh this actually was kind of a snafu
that popped up uh when we went for or

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when our client went for an occupancy
permit. So you can see that the bottom

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floor is still going to be a garage. Uh
operates as a garage. Uh you can enter

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there the stairs and then the second
floor is the living space. And again,

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all that's happening here and and I
don't want to talk over staff, but all

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that's really happening is it was an
existing duplex and a garage that was

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behind that was kind of in bad shape. It
was in rough shape. Um our client uh

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kind of had a little bit of a
misunderstanding. He thought he was

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going to be able to have three units out
here. uh made an application for a

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building permit, has already renovated
and put a fair amount of time and money

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into that garage unit. We understand
now, he understands now that obviously a

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this board doesn't have any ability to
extend it beyond the two. And and all

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we're requesting is to basically take
that duplex and to make it now one

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single family and to to have that
non-conforming building now be garage

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with full residence above, which my
understanding is that the building

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inspector, Mr. foul uh had no issues
with ready to give an occupation permit

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other than the issue of it third
dwelling that was I think a general

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misunderstanding.
[cough and clears throat]

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» Now I understand from what I've read in
here and what you've been saying that um

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the uh this new renovation is done.
>> It is correct. It's I I think you have

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some finishing touches. Yeah.

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» So you ran new electric out there and
water and all that stuff from what? The

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existing first front building.
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» Okay.
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we weren't trying to go around this
process. He went to the city, applied

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for a building permit, it was granted.
It just, like I said, was a little bit

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of a snafu on on three units versus two,
>> but we're just wanting to

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» Yeah. So, let me get back to the front
uh house, which I think you can answer

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it. I read through your statements.
>> Yeah. And basically what I'm

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understanding is, okay, now instead of
getting $2,500 for the front one, you're

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going to change that and you're only
going to have one family in there.

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» And so even though the the
[clears throat] house is set up to have

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two families and everything you need to
have because there must be a kitchen

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upstairs,
>> correct? And you have all separate

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utilities upstairs.
>> Uh,

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» yes. No, maybe.
>> Uh, electric. Yes.

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» You have electric. Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» Um, and the water comes off of them. But
you me are you metered separately on

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that
>> on the water?

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» Yeah.
>> Just one.

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» So if you had rented it out as two
parties,

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you they would have paid you for the
water bill or how would that have

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worked?
>> I take care of the water. Okay. Yeah.

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And I plan to keep taking care of the
water bill.

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» Okay. Yes, sir.
>> If you're smart, you'll have that water

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separated into two meters. Believe me,
>> they won't let me.

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» Well, no, he can't now. No, he can't now
because he wants one unit.

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» Well, they they said I can submeter it
and keep track of it myself, but SD1 and

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uh Northern Kentucky said we're all
trying to get it on one. So, which I

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allow.
>> Yeah. So, are you going to remodel the

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upstairs
to to remove what would have normally

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been the kitchen into something else?
>> Um, I wasn't planning on it.

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» Well, here's my dilemma. If you're
saying to us we ain't going to put three

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tenants in there,
>> right?

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» But the second floor of the house is
still set up for that.

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We have no way of knowing whether you
decreased it or you just told us you

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would and then later on because
everything's a possible and I'm not

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saying you'll do it it would happen
immediately but say you sell the

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building
>> now we're back in the same dilemma of

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you can't have two and yet the house is
set up for two.

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» Yeah. So I I'll jump in there. Okay.
>> I mean, obviously, if this board

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approves this as a uh variance, you're
going to make it very clear as a part of

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your findings that there can only be two
units on this property. Okay?

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» Right?
>> So, obviously, it then becomes a code

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enforcement issue. If there is any
evidence of a third family in there, and

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it's not going to be hard, in my
opinion, from a code enforcement

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perspective to determine there's going
to be a third family in there, and then

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he can be cited. I Yeah,
>> I mean, I don't Mr. Evansson, if you

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want to weigh in any more on that. I I I
guess my thought is is I think the

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purview of this board is to determine
whether this is a reasonable

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um variance to maintain a non-conforming
use. I think as far as enforcement of

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that being only two families, I think
that's a code enforcement issue outside

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of the purview of this board.
>> It it is, but

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» you don't want to set yourself up for
failure. I understand.

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» Yes. That's that's really where we're
coming from is we get we leave the

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enforcement people with a inability to
do their job because how would anybody

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ever know that there were two tenants in
that building and one tenant in the back

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building?
There's would be no vis probably no

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visible signs that would dictate that.
>> Well, maybe this will help us a

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clarification and just some general
questions. Um, have have you removed

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like the the identity of the second unit
that's on that's in [clears throat]

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that? Meaning like have you taken out
the kitchens for example? The kitchen

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the second
>> I have I haven't done any of that

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because there's people living.
>> Okay. Yeah. So,

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» how many people are living there? Two
families.

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» Well, no, just one one person each.
They're just single. So, one person

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down, one person up. Okay. So, right now
it is being lived in by two separate

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entities.
>> Correct. But one of those tenants wants

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to move to the the project we're doing
garage and

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» Okay.
>> And her lease the the downstairs is up

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in February. So, it's good timing on my
end to get him to the back to offer her

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the whole house. Uh and if not, I find
another tenant. I was going to do one

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lease. I I know what your concern is,
but

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» Yeah. And I just bought the property, so
I intend to hold it.

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» Yeah. And and I I understand that, you
know, the intent here is one property,

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front property, one family, the back
property, one family. Whether it's a

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single individual or a family, probably
have to be a no more than two.

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The the problem is that
if we grant this, how are we giving the

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code enforcement people the ability to
differentiate whether you have one lease

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or two leases in the front building
while still having a lease in the back

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building
and in the GU and converted garage. You

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see what I'm saying? Well,
>> there's there's no way e externally to

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tell that.
>> But what if I mean what if in my own

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home residence I wanted to have three
kitchens? That doesn't mean I've got

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three families living in there, right?
>> I understand.

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» So, I mean, it's
>> But see, we we aren't talking tonight

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about your family, your house.
>> Well, it is.

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» We're talking Huh.
>> This is my property. This is my house.

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» Well, and it is, and I understand that,
>> right? But at this time it is rent all

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rental property.
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» and so you know the opening question
would is always going to be

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in code enforcement which is what
brought you here.

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How are they to differentiate when you
have complied from when you have not

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complied since there's no external way
if you leave that kitchen in?

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» Well, one point of clarification. It
wasn't code enforcement that brought us

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here. It was the building inspector when
he came for the occupancy permit saying

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you couldn't grant the occupancy permit
because it was non-conforming. Um I I

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guess what assurances can you provide
them that you will only have one family

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confront you after you that person?
>> I mean I guess from a paperwork

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standpoint one lease. I mean that was
the intent [clears throat]

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one.
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Um I this is a first for me so I don't
know what other insuranceances I mean

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» obviously everyone respects their own
privacy right

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» sure absolutely
>> I wouldn't want someone coming into my

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house three kitchen and I don't think
that's what you're getting at um

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» well but as long as there are two
kitchens in that front in that home

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» right
>> we have a situation where at any point

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in time there could be two different
tenants

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Mr. Chair, I have a few comments if you
don't mind.

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» Fine.
>> Um, in terms of zoning, we don't limit

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the number of kitchens that you can have
in place.

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» Um, so there's a couple things. Uh, and
I'm kind of go through a few bullets. In

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the city of Dayton, you have a rental
license.

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» So, the city won't give them a separate
license for the upstairs. Uh, another

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thing is with this decision that you
make, I record a land use restriction on

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the deed. So, it sticks with the land.
Another thing that's kind of maybe a

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little bit outside of the box thinking
that is the accessory dwelling unit

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concept is becoming much more po
popular. So not only are you creating an

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accessory dwelling unit on this
property, [clears throat] but in effect

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that upstairs can be seen as an
accessory dwelling unit. There might be

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a situation where you've got an aging
relative or an adult child that wants

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some independent living, but it's all
under one lease. And this this layout

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would work out really nicely for that
particular type of customer because they

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do have their own um kitchen, bathroom,
entrance, but it's still under one

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lease. Technically, an accessory
dwelling unit, which is a single family

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house with an accessory dwelling unit.
So, from a zoning perspective, I'm not

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too concerned about this getting outside
of our control because there will be

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[clears throat] paper trail, like I
said, the land use restriction and there

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will also be the rental license that
they'll have to get to rent it out.

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So the my other question is okay you
you've rehabbed this uh carriage house

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and um I'm very familiar with that
because when I was in college I lived in

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a carriage house in Columbus, Ohio. But
the thing that caught me about this was

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I saw the pictures that you that were
submitted and from what your detail

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tells me is every you've rehabbed the
place.

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What does it look like now? I mean, you
said it was pretty dilapidated before

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you got started.
So, I'm kind of curious, for lack of a

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better phrase, as to what it looks like
now as Have you redone the outside also,

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by the way?
>> Yes, sir.

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» Okay.
>> Can I approach?

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» Sure.
>> Oh, absolutely. Come forward.

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» Oh, yeah. I was just noticing a moth.
It's just odd to see a big moth like

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that this time of [laughter] year.
>> Cold weather drove him in.

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Okay.

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» Okay.
Unfortunately,

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that is a new garage door.
>> And is that a key or an activated?

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I I wondered about that cuz I figured
nobody's going to park in that garage if

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you can't activate the garage door from
the outside when you drive up.

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» You raised a roof or was it always?
>> Uh, it was always

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windows up there.

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» Okay.
>> Do you have any pictures of the I'm

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sorry, I knocked it off. Can you see
pictures of the inside?

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» Did you actually do the work or
myself.

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» Okay.

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» When you say I know you said this is
your part-time job, you have a full-time

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job.
>> Okay.

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» And so, how does that work when you have
a crew and you're working a full-time

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job?
>> That's my wife.

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» Oh, okay.
>> Look at my hands. I just came from

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» Oh, I'm hardwork.
>> Oh.

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Well, the fact that you've done all this
in that amount of time.

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» So is now that's a picture. Is that as
far as you've gotten now?

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» I haven't got any pictures.
>> Okay.

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» Okay. So when when this is all finished,
you'll have a bedroom, a kitchen,

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any is is that the extent of the space
available? [clears throat]

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» Studio. Yes, sir.
>> Kind of a studio room.

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» Bathroom. Kitchen.
>> Okay. Well, yeah. Bathroom. Obviously,

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we have to have that.
>> Okay.

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» So, basically,
all of these together adds up to three

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bedrooms.

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» Well, the two two bedrooms in the first
in the front house and one bedroom in

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the back.
>> Three beds. Yes.

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» Yeah. Oh, that's what I meant. I didn't
mean to imply it was anything other than

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that.
>> Okay. And so when this thing is all done

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and you're going to go out and u you
know rent it. I know you put into your

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thing here that the original plan was
that the front the house would have had

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two units one for 1300 and one for
1,200.

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And now you've got the back unit and the
combined front unit.

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So, the bottom line is you're going to
what? Have to take the front unit and

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have less than $2,500
because you probably won't get $2,500

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rental for that.
>> Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

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» So, the intent was to have three units,
right?

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» You understood?
>> 2500 plus probably like,000 or 1,100 for

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the
>> for the back of the garage, right?

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» Okay. So that would have totaled 36, 37,
>> right?

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» I think the front house I'll probably
ask 18 or 19 just depending on,

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» you know,
>> for the whole thing.

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» For the whole thing.
>> Okay.

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» And then for the back unit, probably 11
or 12 at this point. So I'm getting less

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rent.
>> I was going to say this this is not

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» worked as well. You're going to get more
rent,

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» correct? But not as much as the three
units might have garnered for you as a

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separate
>> hurt even more if we don't go forward

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with this.
>> Excuse me.

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» I mean it's it's it's even more painful
if he can't put anybody in the back.

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» Oh, I understand.
>> Yeah.

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» You know, cuz he you're you're dealing
with a house that's somewhere between

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150 and 125 years old. That's when that
neighborhood was built.

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» 1865
house.

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» Okay. Even older than I thought it was.
>> I don't know. I was going for 1875, but

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okay.
>> I don't think the garage is that old. I

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know it's not because it's different
stone, but the original house is old

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stone foundation.

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» Is that That's pretty amazing. That
means that the first the h the carriage

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house was actually used for carriages.
>> It's a beautiful property. I'll tour you

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around [laughter] anytime anytime you
want.

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» Uh I I understand. And it's u I've been
down 8th Street a lot of I haven't paid

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particular attention to that uh house
but I know a lot of houses in the in

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that area have been upgraded and I think
that's wonderful. So u yeah that kind of

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answered all my questions. Is anybody
else

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» I just got most
evidence of the case but you paid 2.95

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for it?
>> Yes sir.

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» What do you think it's going to appraise
for our computer?

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forunately not as much as I put into
town.

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» Uh probably

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» not bad on a
probably 30 by 100 lot.

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» Yeah.
>> But it's it's you have my word. We have

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not spared any expense. I mean I have
>> I I could I

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» qualified if I didn't know.
>> You don't have off street parking do

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you?
>> Uh we don't have off.

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» I mean how do they
>> other than the garage? How how how do

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they
driveway looked at the house to the

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right of it?
>> Uh yes.

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» Okay. That's how they get Okay. Okay.
>> But you know they can park in the garage

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to be fire rateated the whole
>> Okay.

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» So you do have all street parking.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah.

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» For that one. And then the the person
that does the front will park on the

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street.
>> Which is the way it's been for ever and

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ever.
>> I've got two of them parking on the

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street now.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. Yeah. It may go down to one or it
may still be two

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» depending on
>> depending on you have two bedrooms,

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» right?
>> You know, you might have a mother,

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father, and a
>> right

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» teenage son or something.
>> But it will look like you can even park

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off the alley in the back, too, if you
want to, I guess.

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» Yeah, you could. It's right next to the
carriage park.

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» Okay. I mean, that's if I was going to
pay somewhere, $1,900$2,000 a month, I

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would
>> I would expect off street park to be

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honest with you, you know. I don't know
that I've thought of that. I like the

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idea of it. I just don't know that.
>> Actually, I know I just don't have any

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space.
>> I say purely irre

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just
>> Well, right next to the carriage house

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if you put in a say an asphalt pad
>> could, but it's all raised.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I couldn't tell from the pictures.

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Okay.
>> It was a mess getting an excavator back

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there. I had to knock down a wall to dig
the trench. So,

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» I have no
>> Yeah, I don't either, Michael.

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Okay. If there's uh nothing more uh
before the board, we would enter

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entertain a motion.
>> Make a motion to approve the request to

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change from a non-performing use
to as a attached two family to a

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detached two family unit with two
dwelling by the garage. Then the

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conditions
do I need to go through all those? The

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one condition I think we do want to make
sure is on record is that if you ever

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continue If the dwelling unit is
discontinued, I think what is it? 50% of

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the value is lost, then it has to revert
back to single family. [snorts]

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» The lapidated again.
>> Yeah, that would be.

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» Yeah, a fire would be the only thing
that comes to mind that would decrease

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the availability of the unit.
>> I'll second

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motion has been for made and seconded.
Uh, what's the vote? I guess I can

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already know.
>> I don't vote unless there's a tie and

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there's no tie. [laughter]
>> Let me resend my vote. I just want to

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see a I've never seen a piece.
>> All right. So b so based upon that your

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uh uh application is approved and you
will have a uh two dwelling one tenant

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each dwelling on that property at that
address and we appreciate you taking the

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time to come down and see us.
>> Seriously swing by and I'll show you

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around. It's a beautiful property.
>> I I need to drive down I don't normally

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drive down alleys but I need to probably
go drive down that alley just for

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» Yeah. Thank you all. Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you.

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» See you.
>> Have a good night.

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» Merry Christmas.
>> How's How's your wife? Sorry. I said hi.

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Hey, man.
>> Okay. So, the only other thing is if

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there's any old business, anything.
Anybody? I don't have any.

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» Just us on. That's all.
>> Yeah. The only thing that's old is us.

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» You too, pal. Just old business.
>> Yeah. He's creeping up on 70.

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» Wow.
>> And I'm creeping up on 80. What are you

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doing? I'm 78. I'll be 79 in March.
>> Yeah, I'll be 79 in uh June.

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» I'm a little bit older.
>> Yeah, just a couple. This is

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» There you go.
>> But but I still hold the record up in

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the culdeac. I'm the oldest.
>> Oh, are you?

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» Yes, I am.
>> But if you come up then I'm second.

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» Yeah.
>> Well, I'm right there at the quarter, so

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you could almost include.
>> Yeah. Well, that's probably one time.

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Well, I guess you could be included. I
said, "I really don't care." [laughter]

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You're those you're one of those Lincoln
rotors.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, bikers.

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» Uh yes, I am making a motion. U
seconded. Old