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all right let's call this meeting to
order trustee heading will you lead us

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in the pledge yes thank you everyone can
stand up

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the please states of america and to the
republic for which it stands one nation

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under god indivisible with liberty and
justice for all

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thank you

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this evening we have three items under
the fiscal officer and that one first

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one is the purchase orders
and the amount of 59

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and
473 dollars

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with various departments
the next one is the payment by

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resolution
and that's resolution 2021-45

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and it is for one item out of various
departments and the last one

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is for supplemental appropriations
primarily around the cruise list

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largest one there is for the kingsmill
area

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for the streets
um

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there's any questions happy to take them
i have not

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i haven't remember
anyone

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is very emotion freely for disorders
i'll make a motion to approve the

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purchase orders as presented second you
got a much fun mr cisciano and second by

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miss heading to approve the purchase
orders as presented

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yes
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yes
and then is there a motion for

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resolution 2021-45
i will go ahead and make a motion to

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approve resolution 2021-45
second you got a motion system on a

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second line of statement number 2021

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and is there a motion for our next
resolution

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the resolution improving supplemental
appropriations for 2021 dispensing with

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the second reading candidate during the
emergency room

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yes

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yes
thank you board

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thank you are there any items to be
removed from the cassette and don't know

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i have none
do i have emotions

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i don't have a motion to approve the
consent agenda as presented second good

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motion by mr ceciliano

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all right thank you
and that brings us down to our

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public hearing that we have we continued
hearing progress from last time so we're

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going to
uh first i'll make a motion to

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reopen the public area
in progress

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second
we've got a motion blind

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yes
okay and so how this is going to go is

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we're going to have a quick uh type is
going to give us a summary of the

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powerpoint that she showed last time
not the full thing but just the

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highlights
since we were all here last time and

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then we're going to open it up for the
public well

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the developer going to yeah so then you
guys can speak and then we'll open up

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the public comment for everyone here
who's born against the development if

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everyone who is going to speak tonight
would be willing to stand up against

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sworn in now you can do that
thanks

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and then i'll just swear everyone in and
just a reminder for those that perhaps

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weren't here the last time when it does
come your turn to speak if you would do

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so from the podium and then just provide
your name give your address and confirm

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the fact that you've been sworn in my
apologies in advance and inevitably

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someone forgets and i really interrupt
you to get that but with that said go

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ahead
do you solemnly swear affirm that the

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testimony you were about to give will be
true and accurate to the best of your

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knowledge of belief i do
and then one other point i'll also make

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is if you feel free to sit
um it's like church where you forget to

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tell the
people to sit down um we have all the

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sign-in sheets for everyone that
submitted one um

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if you submitted one last time

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just a minute our batteries died

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as you guys all heard this is a continue
in progress case that's public hearing

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from the trustees meeting that took
place on august 3rd

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and
this case in front of you tonight again

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case 2021-85

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and this
case and staff report was presented in

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its entirety and all we serve and today
just a summary to what was presented at

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that meeting
and the applicant is silverman company

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and the property owner is charlie
and bonnie lawson and total across is

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17.581
and the property is located at 6810

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tylersville road and is currently zoned
residential single family the

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application today is a request to result
into neighborhood

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business
plant unit development

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the applicant is proposing uh the
196th attacher

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detached the residential
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and three commercial lot within with an
intensity of 17

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dwelling unit per acre
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along uh tyler's delivered
multi-family and commercial nine

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building for a two house
hundred ninety six dwelling unit

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two-story apartment not to exceed 35
feet in height and it is mixed of one

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bedroom
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unit and two bedroom
density is a proposed as a

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growth density as the
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growth as we stated it is
the entire acreage of the land uh while

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uh different townships only resolution
required net density which deducts 35

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percent
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including 20 percent green open space

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uh the main access to the development is
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stop to the property to the west and
there is an emergency exit

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at the corner of sunderly and
sunny drive

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sidewalk are proposed around the
development and along the years below

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a deerfield township require two parking
space per unit and it's provided with a

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total of 392

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parking spaces and it is uh distributed
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spaces tandem garage and 20 detached
garage tool

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to the north

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let's keep on buffering
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green open space is required and
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38.5 is provided and the same 25
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they are providing 48 and for uh
active open space

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landscape buffering a 70 foot
landscape buffer is proposed along nano

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side about engrossment south residential
single family with six foot privacy fans

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will be placed on the peak under
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amount
the buffer with amount of

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six feet
so it will totally will be nine foot uh

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above existing ground
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section
of how would be demand with the fans

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and the distance from the residential
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north
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until it get to the first building will
be over 104 feet

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the neighbor went with the development
and requested a buffer along the

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building 9 and was provided to protect
this residential single family that was

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recently built in
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there are two retention pounds proposed
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south east
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the buffers stop here but there is a
fence

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provided along this section
of the pump to the nose and i stated the

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access on sunbury and sunny drive is for
emergency use only

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the elevation two-story not to exceed 35
feet which is required for residential

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single family
to keep the the character of the area as

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a residential
farmhouse sky

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the board is to debate and discuss this
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proposed development in light of
deerfield township comprehensive plan uh

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looking at adjacent land use
in the surrounding

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if there is an any unique feature and
correct

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characteristic of the land and
the quality and character of the

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proposed open space
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development was designed sensitively to
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requirement as stated in the pud
requirement for the preliminary site

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plan in deerfield township zoning
resolution

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and board action
there are 18 conditions

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um as proposed in the staff report
that was provided to you

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that's concluded the presentation
sam hell is here and myself will try to

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answer any question you may have

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thank you
questions that i do actually um so there

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was a little confusion the past couple
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page 14. might you have that my class
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on page 14 in the first paragraph where
it says most of those uses are permitted

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either by right or by specific standards
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except for the multi-family
do you have the same page i have yes i

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do
can you maybe expand on what that means

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i've seen a lot of confusion around that
statement that's a legitimate confusion

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yes absolutely i have seen it's typo you
think it's a type of absolutely okay

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assam do you agree

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multi-family
multi-family is permitted

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with the condition that it's
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commercial so that's why that statement
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so it has to be
under straight zoning it has to be

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above the first level of commercial so
commercials on tylersville directly

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behind would be
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no so if it was a straight
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to be like a first level store second
level three level the only way you can

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the only way residential is permitted
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you know stacking essentially yeah so a
mixed-use building is what you would

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have to have
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and there's a percentage that
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the residential component of any type of
mixed use

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development
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the overall square footage
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when the confusion comes that we went
right to page 14 yes it's in confusion

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but if you go back to page 13 when it
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proposed use is for a horizontal
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of mixed use horizontal which means not
like what's required like the first

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floor commercial and multi-family on top
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okay

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yes sorry that's why i want to pay and
the whole thing makes sense

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thank you

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okay and then do we have representatives
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yes thank you
my name is ryan silverman vice president

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of silverman company and i have been
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so you can

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thank you good evening everybody uh
before i get started i'd just like to

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take
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uh introduce some other members of our
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we have house silverman president of
silverman company with us tonight tim

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burgoyne is our director of
site acquisition and development we have

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michael den with
market foresight michael's one of the

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country's premier experts in
housing demand analysis

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demand
forecasting for housing and feasibility

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you'll be hearing from michael a bit
later in our presentation we also have

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john del verne and alex bash with
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engineers and we'll be hearing from
them a bit later as well

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we're excited to be before you this
evening to present our preliminary

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development plan and request for stage
one zoning map amendment to allow for

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new horizontally integrated mixed-use
development in deerfield township

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proposed plan incorporates a mix of
commercial residential uses

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into a cohesive
plan that will feature

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pedestrian-friendly infrastructure and
plentiful open space

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as we will demonstrate this evening the
proposed site plan is consistent with

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several the development guidelines and
goals stated in the deerfield township

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comprehensive plan vision for 2035.
we'll make mention of these

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consistencies throughout our
presentation

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deerfield township is currently in the
process of updating its comprehensive

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plan via the becoming deerfield
initiative

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the becoming deerfield initiative's
proposed landing's designation for this

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particular site is area b2
which recommends a mix of uses that will

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provide for gradual transition from
tylersville road to the residential

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subdivision
to the north known as rosemont cell

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as illustrated on our site plan the
proposed development as mixed use in

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nature provides for gradual step down
and use intensity incorporates sound

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planning principles
and demonstrates consistency with the

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current pattern of development that's
occurred along this portion of the

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tylersville road corridor
as you will see the commercial component

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of our site is located along tylersville
road which is a major thoroughfare

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essentially connecting i-71 with i-75 so
we're proposing three commercial

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buildings with a mix of uses that could
consist of retail

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restaurant
office space and some medical uses as

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well
we also have the clubhouse building for

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the apartment community that will sit
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tylersville road as well
the clubhouse will feature

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a slew of amenities that we'll touch on
later as well as leasing and management

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offices
the primary point of access for this

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development will be via a
signalized access point at tylersville

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road and fireside drive
and then as haifa mentioned in her staff

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report
the

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warren county engineer's office is
requiring we provide a

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gated access point from this site to
thornberry court a gated access will be

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for emergency services vehicles only

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as i mentioned the commercial uses
as we head north will step down and

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transition and transition to two-story
multi-family buildings in the middle of

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the site
and then further transition to a very

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robust landscape buffer
with mounting and a privacy fence

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near the northern border of the site a
landscaped mount will be approximately

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70 feet wide and approximately nine feet
in height

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with a six foot high privacy fence
being installed on top of the mount

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the proposed landscape mound is
consistent with the transition section

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of the vision for 2035 comprehensive
plan which states that landscape buffers

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fences
and or walls should be used between

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adjacent developments of different land
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i mentioned earlier
about the the

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vehicular accessibility i wanted to
touch on the robust network of

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pedestrian infrastructure we're
proposing to install throughout this

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development as you can see we have
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throughout the entire development to
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pedestrian walkability
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and
to access various uses throughout the

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residential component and also to be
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along tylersville and also get access to
the sidewalk system that we will tie

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into that's already installed along
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the foregoing will promote walkability
and is consistent with the circulations

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and connections guidelines within the
vision for 2030

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2035 comprehensive plan
which says the vehicular pedestrian

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connectivity should be provided between
existing and new developments to avoid

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creation of isolated islands of
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initially
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you know there were there was talk about
connecting here uh the red that was a

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concern of the residents which we'll
touch on later and the warren county

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engineer
uh the warren county engineer's office

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simply said just
that we can gate it off and make it

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emergency access only
in terms of storm water management we'll

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have detention basins in both the
southeast and northwest corners of the

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site
here's a detention pond

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at the southeast corner of the site and
another smaller one at the northwest

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corner of the site
the detention basin at the southeast

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corner of the site will have a walking
trail around it that will tie into the

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rest of our
pedestrian sidewalk

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system we have provided for a very
generous amount of open space on the

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site
the deerfield township ped zoning

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regulations require 20 percent of open
space with 25 percent of that open space

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being designated is active
in terms of total open space on our

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proposed plan
we're far exceeding what is required is

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we have provided total open space of
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6.76 acres which is equal to 38.5
percent uh total open space

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which which is significantly higher than
the 20 percent requirement with 3.235

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acres of that
uh being designated as

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active open space which is equal to 48
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of the total open space being designated
as active which is significantly higher

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than the 25 percent
requirement in the zoning

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code
the mis the mixed use nature of the

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proposed development the overall site
design and the plentiful open space

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provided are all consistent with goal
numbers three and five contained within

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the vision for 2035 plan goal number
three is identified as township identity

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and states promote mixed use plan
development through community character

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and land-use guidelines and the zoning
resolution to create neighborhoods with

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distinct identities
goal number five is title parts and open

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space suggests
suggests to promote the retention of

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open space which can be used for active
and passive purposes and the private

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development process the site layout and
as you will see next the architecture

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will both serve to create a unique sense
of place with plentiful green space and

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walkability

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our vision for the multi-family
component of the site

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is to create an architectural design
that mimics high-end single-family homes

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currently
seen in the region

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we're proposing what's known as a
farmhouse style aesthetic that is that

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is inspired by current upscale
single-family home designs

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examples of this style can be found
throughout deerfield township including

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several examples from the kensington
subdivision which hosted home in 2019.

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next you fought the the next few slides
just showed some

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examples of farmhouse architecture
within single-family home product that

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served as
the inspiration

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for the design that we came up with for
the multi-family buildings on our parcel

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so
there's an actual

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elevation of
what we're proposing for the

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multi-family component
the high quality architecture is

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consistent with the guideline within the
vision for 2035 comp plan that states

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development should re-analyze building
materials and other similar features to

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ensure the projects function efficiently
and effectively

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as you can see the buildings exhibit a
far farmhouse style of architecture

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our two stories in haydn have pitched
roots they were designed to mimic the

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look of a single family home we plan on
incorporating two to three

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different color schemes in order to
create an appropriate architectural

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rhythm
throughout the site and there's

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a few slides that show some of the
proposed color combinations

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the proposed architectural styling

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is consistent with the transitions
guideline contained in the vision for

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2035 comprehensive plan which states
that infill new redevelopment projects

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should be compatible with existing or
planned adjacent land uses in terms of

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size height scale materials and design
elements

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the image currently on the screen
is actually a photorealistic digital

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image
that was

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super
this

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the these are real wireframe models
of our architectural drawings that were

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then
superimposed on drone aerial photography

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so you could really get a sense for what
this development is going to look like

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in in
in the real world not just on a flat

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elevation drawing i think this
rendering

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while it's a little bit outdated because
this is from the original site plan that

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we submitted back in
early in the year which shows 30 town

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homes along the northern
property line which we'll talk about

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later we've actually eliminated those to
create a larger buffer but i think if

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you look at the middle of the site
and the commercial uses along

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tylersville they blend in very well with
the existing uses

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the buildings are two stories in height
have pitched roofs

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which are
similar to the single-family homes

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located to the north and then the
commercial buildings are very similar to

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the commercial uses that you see along
tylersville road

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both east and west of this site

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uh as i mentioned we have made some
changes to the site plan which we'll

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summarize later
but i'd like to point out that while

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this image includes conceptual
architectural renderings for the

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commercial portion of the site
we would bring in actual

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commercial renderings um or actual
renderings for the commercial uses at

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the stage two
um at the stage two you know for for

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stage two's any commission approval
while for multi-family we can develop

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elevations and we know exactly who our
target market is with commercial uses

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it's it's different because
often uh the design of a of a commercial

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building is user driven it's market
driven so

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these are just conceptual what the
buildings could look like but ultimately

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the users that would be attracted to the
site will have some influence on on

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the architectural aesthetic of these
buildings

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the nature
of commercial development as i mentioned

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is user driven we're already seeing
significant interest from commercial

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uses for this location and we're very
confident that the commercial space

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we're proposing on tylersville road will
fill very quickly given the site's

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visibility along tylersville convenient
access and pedestrian-friendly mixed-use

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design
that will

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that will allow for pedestrian access
and the signalized

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access point on tylersville road will
allow for very easy and convenient

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vehicular access

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the apartment homes you're proposing on
the site will be designed to appeal to

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both working professionals and empty
nesters who are renters by choice and

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demand a maintenance free lifestyle that
apartment living provides

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our plans call for a mix of both one and
two bedroom floor plans the one bedroom

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floor plans will generally range in size
from 775 to 930 square feet with a rent

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range of twelve fifty to fourteen
hundred dollars a month all the two

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bedroom floor plans which will all the
two veteran floor plans also have two

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full bathrooms those generally would
range in size from eleven hundred and

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thirty to twelve hundred fifty square
feet with a rent range of a pro of

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approximately sixteen seventy five to
eighteen

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fifty per month we've developed two
other high-end apartment communities in

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deerfield township over the last few
years we've found that empty nesters

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find our two-bedroom floor plans very
attractive we expect similar demand

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levels from empty nesters at this
community which is consistent with goal

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number seven of the vision for 2035 plan
called housing quality and diversity

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goal number seven states
that new development should promote

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housing types that are attractive for
older adults and close proximity to

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groceries retail and healthcare
facilities to increase mobility options

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outside of auto dependency
the residential component of this

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development will provide an attractive
housing alternative crafty nesters who

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are renters by choice and wish to
downsize into a housing choice that is

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100 percent maintenance-free
the pedestrian infrastructure that we

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that will be provided within our
development will connect to adjacent

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pedestrian infrastructure will provide
walkability to retail restaurant and

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several healthcare uses including a
pharmacy

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each apartment home will feature 9-foot
ceilings throughout quartz or granite

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countertops in every kitchen and
bathroom stainless steel appliances led

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lighting washers and dryers many
many apartment communities only come

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equipped with the hookups but we
actually provide a full size

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washer and dryer
in every every home within our

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communities
the apartment community will be fully

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amenitized and professionally managed
with a clubhouse that will feature

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on-site leasing and management offices a
resident lounge

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game room
co-working space conference room

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state-of-the-art fitness center pet spa
complimentary wi-fi and coffee bar

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some of the outdoor amenities that will
be included throughout the site

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are
the aforementioned a robust amount of

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green space a dog park resort style pool
fire pit gaming lawn

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and outdoor gathering spaces

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it's one thing to tell you how nice the
residential component of the proposed

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development will be but we'd like to
show you some pictures from two other

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high-end apartment communities that
we've developed in deerfield township

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over the past few years
i'm confident these photos will

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effectively illustrate the high quality
development we're proposing to build on

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this site
in each case we took architectural cues

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from surrounding development to arrive
at an appropriate architectural

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treatment so all the exterior
architectural styling of these two

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communities is very different than what
we're proposing on tylersville road the

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interior finishes floor plans and
amenities at the proposed

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development will be very similar to
those found at these other communities

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this first photo on the screen is one of
our buildings at one deerfield

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you can see it's a different style what
we're proposing at tylersville but this

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this blends in with
some of the buildings located in close

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proximity some of the use is located in
close proximity to one deerfield

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i'll flip through these quickly that's
that's uh that's a photo of our

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leasing lounge and leasing lobby at one
deerfield

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there's a photo of the resident lounge
space game room

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that's our library which which we call
our co-working space our library it's

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great space for
residents to work and collaborate

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leveraging off of our high speed
complementary wi-fi and powerful usb

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ports throughout that space
there's a photo of the main lobby of the

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building
here's a photo of some of our outdoor

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amenities that's our wine and beer
garden at one deerfield

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this is our fitness center lounge so our
fitness center actually has its own

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lounge where we provide complimentary
bottles of water and juices for our

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residents
there's our fitness center

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it's a very typical kitchen
in one deerfield you can see the quartz

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countertops 42 inch wall cabinets
high end led pendant lighting

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this is a typical master bedroom one of
our two bedroom units all of our two

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bedroom units come with a double bowl
master vanity which is a really nice

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feature
all of our bedroom sizes are

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are
generous and allow for

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king-sized beds
it's not a very exciting photo but shows

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just the very
generous amount of closet space that we

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provide
in our bedrooms closet space is actually

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very
very important although not not too

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exciting it's
something that's very important to to

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our residents it's a photo of a laundry
room these next slides that are that's

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an exterior photo of the grandstone
grandstone once again is in a different

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part of the township we took cues from
the surroundings to arrive at an

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appropriate architectural treatment this
is much more traditional than what we're

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proposing at tylersville road
there's a photo of our pool it's great

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great space that our residents love
there's a photo of a dog park a resident

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lounge at the grandstone
this is green space courtyard between

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two of the buildings at the grandstones
it's a great space for residents to

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relax socialize
hang out

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throughout this process
we have

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listened to
many concerns from neighbors

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um we
reached out to the rosemont south

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homeowners association in march to
schedule a

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really in a formal
for unfortunately we couldn't do it in a

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face-to-face fashion was done via zoom
on march 29th

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and we invited you know kind of uh gave
a brief overview of what we're proposing

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and invited
residents of rosemont south or any other

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nearby
subdivisions to to ask us questions

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we also heard additional concerns from
residents that were voiced during the

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three zoning commission meetings
one of the

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first concerns we heard was traffic i'd
like to point out that we've engaged

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bearer vector engineers to complete a
traffic impact study a traffic impact

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study has been completed
and submitted to the warren county

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engineer's office it's been reviewed and
approved by the warren county engineers

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office
and we as the applicant would be

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required to make any traffic
improvements

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per warren county engineer's office
requirements

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it's also important to note that
apartments do generate less peak

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impact the retail restaurant or office
space

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another neighbor concern that we heard
initially with schools

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it's important to note that the proposed
departments will be very similar

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although wrapped up in a different
package they'll be very similar to what

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we've built at the grand student one
deerfield

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both of those communities as well as
this community are designed to appeal

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to ranchers by choice who are typically
working professionals or empty nesters

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so we find that the
impact of schools from the grand stone

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and one deerfield has been very minimal
as further illustrated by this slide the

464
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:50,640
urban land institute in conjunction with
the national multi

465
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,480
housing council and the sierra club
along with the american institute of

466
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:59,680
architects published a study called high
density development myth in fact the

467
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:06,000
study concluded that single-family homes
averaged 64 children per 100 units while

468
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:10,640
apartments averaged 21 children per 100
units apartments generate real estate

469
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:14,480
tax revenue for local school districts
while generating very little additional

470
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,760
demand on schools
this evidence is further supported by

471
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:22,079
the fact that very few children live at
the grandstand in one deerfield both

472
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:26,800
communities have rates of children per
100 units that are significantly below

473
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:30,480
the national averages reported so the
grandstone

474
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,760
uh at last check was was just under
seven

475
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,599
per 100 units and one deer field was
only at approximately 2.91

476
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,000
children per 100 units so these these
two

477
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:45,920
developments
generate significant amount of tax

478
00:36:43,839 --> 00:36:49,599
revenue for local schools without
without providing much in the way of any

479
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:53,200
additional burden
another neighbor concern we heard was

480
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,000
property values
there's another study that was

481
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,680
commissioned by the national association
of home builders that found

482
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:04,800
the value of single-family homes within
300 feet of a multi-family community

483
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:08,960
increased 2.9 percent per year
compared with value single-family homes

484
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:14,160
not near a multi-family community
increasing at only 2.7 per year

485
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:17,359
the study concluded the possible reasons
for this

486
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,720
are the new apartments are an indicator
that an area's economy is vibrant and

487
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:24,800
growing i think that's certainly the
case in deerfield township

488
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:29,440
multi-family housing may increase pool
the pool of potential future home buyers

489
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:33,119
creating more demand for homes
we'll touch on that again in a moment a

490
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,720
new multi-family especially as part of
mixed use often makes an area more

491
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:40,720
attractive than other communities that
have fewer housing and retail choices i

492
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:43,680
just want to touch for a moment that we
we find

493
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:48,480
um and have found at the grandstand of
one deerfield that they they contribute

494
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:52,960
very positively to what
michael den and i call the

495
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,640
circulation of housing so we've had
many people move into the say the

496
00:37:54,960 --> 00:38:00,560
grandstone it's a little older than one
deerfield it has a five and a half year

497
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,480
almost six year operating history people
that move in maybe they work for procter

498
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,560
and gamble maybe they work for luxxotica
maybe they work for cintas

499
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,480
intelligated you name it any of the area
employers

500
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:13,440
and
you know they might be single at the

501
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:17,200
time they're working professionals and
maybe maybe they find a significant

502
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:20,560
other during their time
living at the grandstone and then

503
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,599
eventually they might they might have a
child and they've then outgrown the

504
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,960
apartment and
when somebody moves out they have to

505
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,880
provide a form to us called a notice of
intent to move out and on that form they

506
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,920
state their forwarding address so we can
return their security deposit and we

507
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:39,680
find that a significant percentage of
the time

508
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:44,000
those folks are buying a home
with a mason ohio mailing address which

509
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,640
means it could be deerfield township it
could be mason

510
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:53,359
but it's in in the area um
and and many of those are in deerfield

511
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:57,040
township some are mason but the point is
these folks

512
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,320
are are choosing
for their first many of their first time

513
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,359
living in this area to live in an
apartment

514
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:07,040
they love living here they see the great
community the deerfield is and all the

515
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,440
amenities and all the the community
amenities but also the amenities in

516
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,320
terms of
shopping and retail and restaurants and

517
00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:18,079
park space like like hotel
and then you know when they're ready to

518
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,240
purchase they're they're keeping their
roots in

519
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:26,560
in the area so i think that's
speaks volumes

520
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:32,240
it's also important to note that the
newest section of beacon hill which is

521
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:37,280
the townhome condominium community along
wilkins boulevard the last section of

522
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,160
that is located at the intersection of
parkway drive

523
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,720
and
wilkins boulevard and one deerfield

524
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:51,280
commenced construction during the third
quarter of 2018 and that's also when

525
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:54,720
beacon hill was finishing their last
phase i think it's important to note

526
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,960
from this slide
the number of sales of condominiums at

527
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:02,720
beacon hill that occurred after one
deerfield commenced construction i know

528
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:06,480
these footnotes at the bottom are hard
to read there were actually three

529
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,160
three sales
that actually sold

530
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,240
while one deerfield was under
construction and then sold subsequently

531
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:18,960
when one deerfield was even further
under construction and those three sales

532
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,240
all sold for more after one deerfield
started construction than they did prior

533
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,440
to one deerfield starting construction
so i think that also

534
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,960
um
speaks uh

535
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,079
in a in a
positive way about some of the concerns

536
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,280
that we heard and the
living near rental housing options does

537
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,680
not have a negative impact on property
values

538
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:44,720
another concern we heard was safety
i think it's once again it's important

539
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:49,599
to note the operating history of the
grand stone and also the the more

540
00:40:48,319 --> 00:40:53,520
the newer operating history of one
deerfield but they're both very quiet

541
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:58,319
and extremely well maintained
communities and each has been a very

542
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:02,880
positive addition to deerfield township
both the grandstand and one deerfield

543
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,640
are adjacent to owner-occupied homes
it's important to note that all of our

544
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:10,640
residents undergo stringent credit and
criminal background screening

545
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,160
and it's important to remember that our
residents are making a lifestyle

546
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:17,920
decision to not own for many reasons
including busy careers

547
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,319
and a desire for a maintenance-free
living experience

548
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,839
there have also been some studies done
on

549
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:32,720
studies that compare
crime rates in single-family homes

550
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:36,640
versus crime rates and apartments
the particular the

551
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,920
the most well-known study was conducted
by the arizona multi-family housing

552
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,520
association
and concluded that the perception of

553
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,359
more crime
around apartment communities many times

554
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:52,560
comes from the practice of reporting
crime statistics by address for example

555
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,760
apartment community with 100 units
at the same address so it might be the

556
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,480
same
same street address but each unit has

557
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:05,359
each apartment home within the community
has its own unit number

558
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,640
but they may be reported as
is

559
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:13,760
you know several incidences at the same
address but it might just be that you've

560
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:17,599
got 100 100 homes at one address
the study concluded that when police

561
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,440
data is analyzed on a per unit basis
instead of a per address basis the rate

562
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:24,960
of police activity in apartment
communities is no worse than

563
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:29,280
single-family subdivisions and in many
cases is lower than single-family

564
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,040
residential areas
at this point i'd like to introduce

565
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:37,440
michael den
as i mentioned earlier michael

566
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,880
is with market foresight and he's going
to share a few of his conclusions

567
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,880
regarding demand for the proposed
development

568
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,280
up here
it is

569
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:06,240
thank you

570
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,160
good

571
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,920
how am i getting over there

572
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,280
that's not that

573
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,680
yes

574
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,920
is

575
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,440
sam is not
caught

576
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,440
okay
is this yours or this will happen

577
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:52,560
this right
here that's it

578
00:44:53,599 --> 00:45:00,079
there you go great thank you
ladies and gentlemen i'm michael den i'm

579
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,560
the principal of market foresight my
address is 124 garrett street in

580
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:08,880
covington kentucky
41011 and i've been previously sworn in

581
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:08,880
good evening

582
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,839
i've been serving your township for well
over 10 years

583
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,040
i've been an advisor to the other
projects mentioned this evening the

584
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:22,640
grand stone
at one deerfield

585
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:26,880
i've been serving teams and
civic leadership like yours for 21 years

586
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,880
now

587
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,960
i'm currently
looking at projects in mason lebanon

588
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:37,280
blue ash in westchester i've served
of late the cities of hamilton and

589
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:41,119
middletown
i just want to establish a level of

590
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:45,599
trust and who i represent represent you
your neighbors

591
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:49,440
your future and as an expert by dealing
data

592
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,440
and experience

593
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:57,280
the result of that is that our household
has changed

594
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:02,560
forced in part by the downturn in 2007
financial crisis 2008 through about 2010

595
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:07,040
and that downturn revealed that we had
uncovered a brand new household

596
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:11,200
throughout our region
an affluent upscale renter renter by

597
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:14,640
choice we'll come back to that phrase
a little bit

598
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:20,400
then we had the 14-month pandemic to
really put a punctuation point on that

599
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:24,720
working from home being huddled in
our home was our office it was our

600
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,720
our place of worship it was our
classroom

601
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,319
i've got a few slides here probably too
many for tonight

602
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,319
i start this assessment like the
hundreds of others that i've done

603
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:48,720
and the blue pin you see is the site and
i create for the township the

604
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:52,079
surrounding neighborhoods uh some trade
areas

605
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:56,000
for your neighbors the right area you
see is a nine minute drive in any

606
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:59,200
direction from the site
the green reading you see is an

607
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:02,720
additional six minutes of area we can
influence just kind of where i start

608
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:07,200
looking at
the profiles

609
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,680
now i subscribe to all the demographics
that

610
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:13,359
you've all seen before and i have all
these tables here and i start to learn

611
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:16,960
the language but i don't rest on them
very often

612
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:21,119
it turns out that my value that i've
learned over the years

613
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:25,599
is to before i get into the housing
stock and square footage and two

614
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,960
bedrooms or granite countertops
i want to take the time to learn who's

615
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,760
behind the front door
in your township

616
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:38,400
not just by a census number not just by
any camera age

617
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:42,800
and there's a service i employ
using market segmentation it's called

618
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,599
tapestry by esri another license that i
have

619
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:49,760
and i've used this for many many years
what i found is that when you can

620
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:54,240
combine
deep data not just census data

621
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:59,359
but school records
voting records credit card usage

622
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:02,000
travel internet
you can paint a picture anywhere in the

623
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,800
country
on in your neighborhood the kind of

624
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:10,800
lifestyle who's behind that front door
now this service provides 67 different

625
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,280
segments they'll have goofy names like
brightness professionalism but i use

626
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,160
this because it helps me
help you understand who's nearby what's

627
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,119
happened
since the pandemic perhaps what's

628
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,760
happened since the downturn what's
happened last

629
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,720
20 years
within that

630
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:32,839
magnet
drive today

631
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:37,359
our 30 000 households and
727 by measure

632
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:41,760
rental households one out of four
of the households in that red area

633
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,319
are renters and they rent something
they might rent a house they might rent

634
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,280
your condo
they might be in an old duplex they

635
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:51,839
might live in a duplex and rent out the
other side

636
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,839
we'll get into housing's talking

637
00:48:54,160 --> 00:49:01,200
in that green ring a little further out
of area influence are twice the number

638
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:05,520
of renters almost fifteen thousand
that just describes a depth of market

639
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,880
and when i brief clients like the silva
medic company

640
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,880
they want to first understand what's the
character and depth of the people we're

641
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:16,160
going to serve before we think about
land price

642
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:19,520
and zoning and square footage and we did
that for this one i was available for

643
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:23,200
the grandstone
and for

644
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:27,119
one deerfield
and when you start the language this way

645
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,559
what happens is you begin to erase some
of the old attitudes

646
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:35,440
the old stigmas
about renters

647
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,280
the cries of low income
of higher crime

648
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,240
of lower values
can quickly be

649
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:46,800
countered
by significant data that describes who

650
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,880
these householders really are
the reality is today that we have a very

651
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:55,520
valued householder that chooses to rent
it's not about income

652
00:49:52,400 --> 00:50:00,160
it's usually about a smaller family size
in almost every case it's about mobility

653
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:04,720
i'm going to be here for two years
if i choose to stay as ryan very

654
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:08,640
eloquently said
that the probability of now then buying

655
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:12,680
close by in your township because of the
existing grids is very high

656
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:19,760
we say renter by choice because in fact
and i have details later if you wish

657
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:25,440
the renters were talking about starting
at 1200 1300 1400 a month can afford to

658
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,880
buy the vast majority of houses here in
deerfield township because also had the

659
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,040
down payment of course but in terms of
that

660
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:38,720
they choose to be here as a renter not
because of

661
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:42,000
their income because their connection
so i'm going to represent you i've got a

662
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,359
few more slides to discuss
represent your household your

663
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,200
constituents and frankly i want to
represent 196 households can't be here

664
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,079
tonight
because they don't get live here

665
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:01,440
my job for the clients of you tonight is
to measure this

666
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:03,920
accurately some of the segments
deal with people you understand one of

667
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,680
the segments i looked at was called
enterprising professionals they're

668
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,119
throughout the township
they look like the young couple there

669
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,839
they like attached the housing actually
looks like our applicant's housing

670
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:21,280
and throughout the nation they're about
a median age half above and half below

671
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:24,480
35 years old about 2.48
in household size they don't yet have

672
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,680
children
and

673
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,160
they don't yet have a mouse that works
there we go

674
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:35,359
i found the adjacent households fit this
profile

675
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,839
by the inside about half of them choose
to rent their home

676
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:44,240
and i found these in great numbers
around the side of the new township

677
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,520
they're not found everywhere they're
found in

678
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:54,000
by docs there you can see the west coast
over to new england down in atlanta

679
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,000
columbus cincinnati

680
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,400
this slide just shows in that same
perimeter area that these two

681
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:04,079
neighborhoods one just south of site
the majority

682
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:07,920
of all the householders in there are
these enterprising professionals what i

683
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,319
do with this
in terms of metrics this is where

684
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:15,359
numbers
offer some clarity yes for all the

685
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:19,839
segments i can find i do some math and i
create a table that measures demand i

686
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:23,200
look at their lifestyle
i look at a threshold income of say

687
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,520
twelve hundred dollars
and i'll turn to my client or i'll turn

688
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:34,160
to the board of trustees and say
by conservative measure nearby

689
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:37,920
we've found a few thousand
by a lifestyle they're existing renters

690
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:43,599
and they have the income to afford
fourteen hundred dollars one month

691
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:47,280
lenders and underwriters use this
development teams even the architects

692
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,920
use this
on the supply side i mentioned who who

693
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,960
who rents nearby 7 500 folks let me show
you

694
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:59,040
in an area by that blue shade which
covers pretty much all of that core area

695
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,119
of nine minutes
be kind of hard to see but the vast

696
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:09,760
majority of rental housing stock are
scaled apartments older apartments over

697
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:12,720
200 units big vast all of the same
there's a small share of rental homes

698
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,839
and detached homes
conducts and so on

699
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:23,200
i can show you where they are
what jumps out of me as i see this plot

700
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:26,640
all the symbology you see are scaled
multi-family the red dots are those that

701
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,160
are coming they're in development right
now

702
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:34,160
is in the crossroads of your township
in a connector between the two uh

703
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:38,720
there's there's no
no place to land it's in this corridor

704
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:42,880
i'm not sure you can see my cursor
corridor down to the south of my

705
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,920
client's minutes over towards mesa
a lot going on over here near union

706
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,920
center
over in butler county

707
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:56,920
and a little bit further north by
liberty all the players

708
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,920
many of these developers are my clients

709
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:06,319
i can also plot for you rental
condominiums and pockets of condom

710
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:10,880
projects where the absentee owner is now
renting you their economy

711
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:16,559
all this is meant to do on the supply
side is trying balance if i find 7 500

712
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:22,720
runners i want to find 7 500
occupied rental housing stock and see

713
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:27,119
where the unmet demand is
just for fun there all those red dots

714
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:29,920
are rental detached homes in in and
around the township

715
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,160
may be hard to see and i that's hard for
me to see

716
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,960
but from there one of the key
intersections i offer any development

717
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:43,599
team
any planning director

718
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,520
politician or lender
is the opportunity that lies ahead

719
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:54,559
for a new development here for those
that can afford over fourteen hundred

720
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:58,880
dollars a month i found over five
thousand target renters

721
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,960
in the core market i found only about
2800

722
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:07,440
scale departments at those rents or
higher in fact if i count only new

723
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,880
projects it's only about 1600 and
they're going to ask me what are they

724
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,799
running
there's two answers one is

725
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,880
they couldn't find the right apartment
that's close to them so they'll run a

726
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:22,160
house so they'll rent your old condo
but by and large what mostly happens is

727
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:25,599
these very deserving households that
want to be in your township that

728
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:29,359
probably have come from the township
and create that rotation that ryan

729
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:33,599
talked about because they settled
they could afford 1400 a month easily

730
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:37,599
but the best department they could find
was 11.50 so that's what they're renting

731
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:42,880
and when you think about it the risk
horizon for those families and

732
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:42,880
households is only 12 months

733
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:50,240
upscale renters the most liquid
residents and and fuel for property

734
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:54,400
values and new development in our
country

735
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:58,799
and in terms of detail because i want to
serve you an ongoing basis

736
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:03,520
i provide a proprietary study
to my client i'd be available with their

737
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:06,400
consent to show you more detail about
this

738
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,400
especially as their designs evolve but
we can zoom down to the driveway level

739
00:56:08,799 --> 00:56:14,319
the site is over
here guys you can see the neighborhoods

740
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:16,880
and the folks have been here notice that
just

741
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,400
just northeast of the site is a
condominium community where there's a

742
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:22,880
lot of absenteeism
condos

743
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:35,839
i always wanted to be an architect
i served some time in the navy before

744
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,319
and then got involved in this and but i
was i just like architecture

745
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,160
i get to sit in the room often with
their designers and say that really fits

746
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:49,040
the fabric and there's really a lot of
appeal you can charge more for that they

747
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:54,319
look here when you say that i find that
this this approach the examples they

748
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:58,079
used the the architecture and the
message of the building to be

749
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,880
cutting edge for all the developments
that i got to serve

750
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:06,520
what questions would you have with me

751
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,960
myself available either throughout this
hearing or later as allowed to speak for

752
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:27,200
your market
the competition and what has been

753
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:30,079
clearly measured as an unmet demand for
these kind of

754
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:35,000
rental units
in your township

755
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,000
thank you very much

756
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,799
how do we get ours
back up would you go back to your

757
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:59,799
powerpoint
yeah

758
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,400
yes

759
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:14,989
[Music]

760
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,520
yes

761
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:53,440
thank you michael for that excellent
information

762
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:57,920
the site plan that's currently on the
screen shows the original site plan that

763
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:02,319
we submitted back in
january or february

764
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:06,880
as you can see
this site plan included 30

765
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,720
two-story
three-bedroom two-and-a-half bath town

766
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:14,559
homes near the northern
near the northern property line

767
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,799
and a smaller
buffer zone behind it

768
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:25,040
i'd like to talk about some of the
changes and revisions that we made in

769
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:25,040
the site plan as we've continued to

770
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,880
listen to to feedback
from our neighbors

771
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:43,440
we we removed these 30 townhomes
um along the northern property line

772
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:48,240
and that resulted in a decrease
from

773
00:59:44,839 --> 00:59:54,240
216 homes to 196 homes
and an overall bedroom crown a bedroom

774
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:57,119
count decrease of 70.
the other thing on the original site

775
00:59:55,839 --> 01:00:05,520
plan
because it was a pud we were requesting

776
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:10,480
a variance on parking so
deerfield township zoning code for

777
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:14,960
multi-family requires two
parking spaces per

778
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:18,400
residential unit irrespective of unit
type so

779
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:22,079
irrespective of it being a two bedroom
or one bedroom the deerfield township

780
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:27,520
zoning code requires
two spaces per unit so when we did the

781
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:33,680
grand stone or developed the grand stone
that's 122 units and we have

782
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:37,359
two two parking spaces per unit and we
are

783
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:42,480
way over parked there um we've done
studies when we're at full occupancy

784
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:47,680
and we're effectively parking at 1.35 to
1.4 spaces per unit

785
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,559
same thing with one deerfield one
deerfield we were granted a variance

786
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:56,880
we're about 1.6 spaces per unit at one
deerfield and we've done the same kind

787
01:00:54,559 --> 01:01:01,920
of study there and we're right in with a
1.35 to 1.4 spaces per unit which

788
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,400
equates to
less than one space per bedroom

789
01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:11,359
so when we came in with this original
plan

790
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:16,000
we were at about 1.8 1.85 spaces per
unit is what we were requesting

791
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:20,960
and we did hear concerns from
neighbors that

792
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,599
you know
they were concerned that we didn't have

793
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:27,839
enough parking
we did we had plenty of parking but

794
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:33,520
just belt and suspenders we decided to
go back and revise the plan

795
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:38,640
and and we were able to get rid of
the townhomes in the back and do some

796
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,280
other things and we now have
two parking spaces per dwelling unit so

797
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:46,880
we have
plenty of parking

798
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:52,319
that's just on the residential component
of course for each commercial outlet

799
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:55,839
when we bring those in for stage two
depending on the uses

800
01:01:54,000 --> 01:02:00,480
that sort of show up to the dance so to
speak we would have um

801
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:04,960
the part you know we've got a couple
restaurants on one outlet then

802
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,240
we might need more parking if we've got
a medical use

803
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:11,039
on another one we might need less
parking but those of course would be

804
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,280
brought in and the parking for those
would be

805
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,520
the zoning commission would have a
chance to scrutinize that during the

806
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,480
stage 2 approval process as i mentioned
earlier

807
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:24,079
we spent a lot of time this evening
talking about the multi-family component

808
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:28,960
that's because
we know exactly who our market is

809
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:33,440
we have experience uh with this with
this product type and we're able to

810
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:39,520
knowing who our target market is design
a unit mix and design an architectural

811
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:43,599
aesthetic that we know is going to
strike a very positive chord with our

812
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:49,680
target market commercial we're every bit
as excited about the commercial

813
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:54,720
uses avalon tyler's mills we are
the uh residential component but it's a

814
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:59,760
different paradigm and commercial
development and in retail in particular

815
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:04,160
it's really user driven so we've already
had some very positive conversations

816
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:08,960
with with medical uses and
restaurant uses and

817
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:12,880
as this progresses we're very confident
that

818
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:16,559
this will be very high demand space as i
mentioned earlier given the

819
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:21,599
accessibility given the pedestrian
walkability given its its prominence on

820
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:25,119
tylersville road given the fact that
retailers and restaurants love it when

821
01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:30,720
you've got a captive audience on site in
this case 196 homes directly behind it

822
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,839
that's a captive audience that can they
can

823
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:39,280
walk to you on a on a daily basis to
support your business so

824
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,359
one of the other site plan revisions
that we

825
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:46,480
made
uh the when we we were showing the 30

826
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:52,240
town homes we had a buffer zone that was
about or 44 feet wide with a six foot

827
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,319
high mound
by eliminating these town homes which if

828
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,720
you look at the current site plan
that's before you this evening by

829
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:04,319
eliminating those 30 town homes we're
now able to increase

830
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:09,680
the width of the
buffer from 44 feet to 100 feet and

831
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:14,160
increase the mound height from six feet
to nine feet and as mentioned earlier

832
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:17,599
we're proposing to install
a

833
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:21,520
six foot privacy fence
on top of the mountain and of course

834
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:28,400
we'd have plantings on the mound as well
to provide a nice natural buffer

835
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,400
with these changes

836
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:37,200
let me get this on the screen okay with
these changes we're now able to achieve

837
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,440
the following distances so the distance
from the back

838
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:45,760
one thing i forgot to mention
when when when we got rid of the 30 when

839
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:50,240
we eliminated the 30 town homes
increased the buffer and the buffer

840
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:56,160
width and increased amount height we
added 20 detached garage structures

841
01:04:53,119 --> 01:05:00,400
along uh near the northern property line
but south of the buffer so you can see

842
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:03,359
those proposed structures there we're
proposing

843
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:06,799
20 of those and those you can see those
on your site plan

844
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:10,079
but now when you look at the distance
from the back of the proposed attached

845
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:14,240
garages
to the property line

846
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:17,680
where we're at 104 feet
when you look at the distance from the

847
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:23,280
back of the detached garages to the
nearest house it's 177

848
01:05:20,839 --> 01:05:27,359
feet when you look at the distance from
the nearest dwelling units

849
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:32,400
to the nearest house
it's approximately 259 feet

850
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:35,680
and as mentioned earlier with these
changes we've also significantly

851
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:37,839
increased
our

852
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:43,440
open space acreage
and our active open space acreage as

853
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:47,680
well
at one of the zoning commission meetings

854
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:51,920
i believe it was a rosemont south
subdivision

855
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:55,119
resident referenced the typical distance
between

856
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,319
the houses right here on the east side
of sunny drive

857
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:03,359
so the distance between the back of
these houses

858
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:07,440
to the west side of the condominiums
on clear water drive

859
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:11,200
so as this can be seen from this side we
took a representative measurement the

860
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:15,680
distance from the homes on the east side
of sunny drive the back of those homes

861
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:20,079
to the multi-family
units to the east is approximately 215

862
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:24,640
feet
so by eliminating the town homes

863
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,319
we now have a distance from the north
side

864
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,640
of our multi-family dwelling units to
the south side of the homes on glenstone

865
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:38,559
way
of approximately 259 feet

866
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,760
which is 44 feet longer
than this distance so

867
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:47,440
we've
we've exceeded

868
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:51,280
the the comparable uh distance that is
kind of on the ground today between the

869
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,720
east the east side of the sunny drive
home

870
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,920
uh the the sunny drive homes and the
west side of the

871
01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:02,319
of the multifamily
along

872
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,319
clear water drive

873
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:12,400
as i mentioned
a moment ago

874
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:18,559
we've now increased the width of the
buffer to 100 feet and now the mound

875
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:22,880
that we're proposing is 70 feet wide
once again six foot high privacy fence

876
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:27,280
on top of the mount for a total peak
height of 15 feet

877
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:31,599
and we're proposing to plant evergreens
on the

878
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,599
north side of the mountain

879
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,339
[Applause]

880
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:47,760
we also heard safety concerns from
residents

881
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:53,599
relative to the
detention pond located here at the north

882
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:57,760
west corner of the site
in response to those safety concerns

883
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:01,520
we've proposed to install
a

884
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:04,960
privacy fence north of the pond and on
this 45 degree angle

885
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:07,200
heading
southwest

886
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:10,480
and then
here

887
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,480
on our property we're proposing to
install

888
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:19,679
a a four foot high black aluminum fence
so upon to address safety concerns

889
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,000
would be completely
fenced

890
01:08:22,839 --> 01:08:30,080
in um
the other concern that we heard and we

891
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:33,759
didn't hear this one really until the um
right before the last meeting

892
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:37,120
was
um

893
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:43,199
residents expressed the concern that the
mound here so the 70 foot wide mound

894
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:47,759
didn't extend
all the way

895
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:52,359
to our western property line
and the reason

896
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,359
that

897
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:58,319
it's difficult to do that is because
this this this detention pond needs to

898
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:02,400
be
in this location uh we've had bear

899
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:07,279
becker we've taken last couple weeks to
have bear becker our civil engineer do

900
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:11,120
some further study on the grades and the
volumes required on that pond i'm

901
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:16,080
actually going to invite john del verne
who's a principal with bear becker

902
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:21,600
to to come up and speak to you a little
bit about about this pond about the size

903
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:26,799
of it and some ideas we have
to to provide a buffer between the north

904
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:30,759
side of this pond and the resonance to
the north so john

905
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:40,960
the next three slides are really
and then there's one more after that it

906
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,960
shows you the cross section
okay

907
01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:56,960
good evening again john delbert with
fairbacker 6900 towersville road mason

908
01:09:54,640 --> 01:10:01,360
ohio four five zero four zero
i have been sworn in

909
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:05,040
yeah i'd like to try to mention i'd like
to share some information about the

910
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:08,400
stormwater management program for the
for the project

911
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:12,719
i have advanced
some study of the of the grades and the

912
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:16,080
stormwater
analysis

913
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:20,000
basically an effort to confirm that you
know what we're shown on the conceptual

914
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:22,480
pud plan is realistic
so

915
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,360
basically we'll start with the drainage
area and it's a little hard to see the

916
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:28,480
unfortunately see the existing
topography on this

917
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:32,480
on this site that's what i start with
they're actually two distinct drainage

918
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,760
areas that we that the project will
drain to the

919
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:40,080
the
ridgeline high point of the site really

920
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:43,600
kind of runs like this
so everything

921
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:48,239
south and east drains to tylersville
road into the roadside ditch ends up in

922
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:52,239
a culvert at
these property line here and heads east

923
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:57,840
everything
north and west of this ridgeline

924
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:01,920
heads north and ends up in a culvert in
rosemont it's one two three four right

925
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,000
here stashed in there it's hard for me
to see from here but a 48 inch culvert

926
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:09,920
pipe
that extends into rosemont

927
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,400
not only is it it's about seven acres
here

928
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:17,199
that drains that way
and the other 10 and a half drains this

929
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:21,840
way in addition to that 48 inch that
tributary to that 48 inch culvert pipe

930
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:25,040
is really a large part of this parcel
remaining partial to the west it all

931
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,360
drains north and runs along the rear
property line and ends up in this 48

932
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,159
inch culvert
so

933
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:36,080
logically we have our two drainage
outlets one of our goals when we're

934
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:39,520
designing sites is to maintain the
pre-developed drainage sheds try to

935
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:43,600
mimic those in the post developed as
best as we can we don't always get it

936
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:48,480
exact but we get pretty close
so to do that we need to put a detention

937
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:50,960
basin close to the outlet here can't be
up here on the high ridge it's got to be

938
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,400
here
at the low spots we can capture as much

939
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:57,920
of our
development as possible so we can

940
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:03,440
control that stormwater rate that we
release to the downstream system

941
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:06,960
same here we've got our outlet point
here

942
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:11,760
we've got the potential basin located
primarily in the lowest spot of the site

943
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:16,239
the stormwater basins are required by
warren county and the ohio epa

944
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:22,239
they're two separate requirements we
usually address both of them in

945
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:26,400
a detention or retention basin
moore county stormwater regulations

946
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:30,960
primarily focus on flood control so
we're looking at larger storm events to

947
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:34,560
control the release from those events
usually one year storms to like 100 year

948
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,640
storm event
then the ohio epa focuses on water

949
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:42,560
quality so we're talking about more
frequent storm events

950
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:46,080
and smaller storm events than the ones
that we look at for flood control

951
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,480
so we kind of could get said and
accommodate both of those in the

952
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:55,199
stormwater basins
so this is really where

953
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:58,480
these bases are necessary by regulation
i think any

954
01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:02,400
development that would increase or add
impervious area to the site would

955
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:05,760
require storm water bases and they i
would think even a different plan you

956
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:09,840
would see a storm water basin in this
location and a second one here and

957
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:14,719
that's the way the right way to design
the stormwater program for this site

958
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,760
let's see if i can go to the next slide
here these are just some blowups of the

959
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,679
two basins this is the one in the
northwest corner i just have some more

960
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,000
detail on the one in the southeast
corner

961
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:30,880
both basins have about the same
ponding depth

962
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,560
between the normal pool they are white
basins between the normal pool and it's

963
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:38,719
not raining
elevation and 100 year elevation about a

964
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:46,000
little over five feet each
of storm water depth

965
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:49,440
the good news is my preliminary analysis
really confirms the sizes in the

966
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:53,040
footprints that are shown on the
conceptual ped plant it's about the

967
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,239
right size
very similar in footprint they the

968
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:59,840
footprint of the water shifts a little
bit you have to

969
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:04,159
accommodate grades to create a berm to
create the impoundment so it may shift a

970
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:09,600
little bit but it's really really very
consistent with the

971
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,600
conceptual pud site plan

972
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:17,920
and as ryan mentioned
there were some concerns about sidelines

973
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:22,640
in the northwest corner where the
large buffer mound here has to terminate

974
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,760
so we can construct a detention space at
this location

975
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,560
so we decided to do a cross section
there

976
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:32,320
the cross section is plotted along this
red line so that's what you see down

977
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:36,800
below is a slice along the red line
looking west

978
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:40,640
so for example for reference this is our
north property line for the project that

979
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:45,199
property line is represented right here
by this dashed line

980
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:48,480
center line of that drive aisle
right here ceremony on the drive aisle

981
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:52,480
here
in between this the center line and the

982
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:56,320
north property line is our detention
basin it's the low area it's a low area

983
01:14:54,640 --> 01:15:00,480
between these two lines right here
represents our detention basin and then

984
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:03,760
to the right of that is that our berm
that we're using to create the

985
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:09,440
impoundment the top of that berm is at
an elevation of 874.3 based on

986
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:14,719
preliminary analysis if you compare that
with the elevation of the at the

987
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:19,360
property line at 860 i think it was 868.
it's about as little over 6 foot called

988
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,280
6.3 feet
in height

989
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:28,640
so to supplement that
um screen at that location we proposed

990
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,920
to put a uh a fence on top of the burner
and that fence is shown you can see as

991
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:35,760
it comes down the larger mound comes
down to our detention base and we just

992
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,600
run it right around here
in that area right on top of the berm so

993
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,960
i show an
eight foot high fence on the berm on

994
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:47,120
this particular graphic which will give
you a little over a 14 foot screen from

995
01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:51,120
the elevation at the property lines at
the top of the fence

996
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:55,120
so with that those are basically my
comments with regards to stormwater if

997
01:15:52,640 --> 01:16:01,199
you're happy to answer any questions
excuse me john yes um it's been brought

998
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:04,159
up that in 2014 the student health is in
a different location for a prior

999
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:07,120
development
and

1000
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,239
i wonder if you know anything about that
or if you could speak to maybe theirs

1001
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,800
was in the
wrong place or the right place for that

1002
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:19,120
time or so it was more in the middle of
this property well

1003
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:23,679
so
so it was a prior concept plan that was

1004
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:31,280
did not move forward
it wasn't ours okay you know um

1005
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:35,280
the the culvert pipe is right here
so this is the inlet of it and where the

1006
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:40,560
storm sewer system runs downhill to the
north and through the development i mean

1007
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:43,600
i could see potentially this pond moving
east a little bit you know if i had it

1008
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:48,719
centered right on top of that culvert
pipe that could be

1009
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:51,920
that could be one solution right
but i don't see it moving

1010
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,159
south
for example because now you're moving

1011
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,280
uphill
and it really needs you know water needs

1012
01:16:55,679 --> 01:17:00,960
to drain downhill to capture all of the
water otherwise now you're

1013
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,920
bringing water uphill and then trying to
take it back downhill and it gets very

1014
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:06,960
difficult i haven't said i haven't done
it before but it gets

1015
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:11,600
very difficult very tricky and there's
usually some sort of compromise

1016
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:14,080
in the design if if you have to do that
so

1017
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:19,280
i can see it moving maybe a little bit
east but i don't see it moving

1018
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:23,760
i don't see it moving south how does
adding in the nine foot tall

1019
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,960
sperm of
planting how does that affect the way

1020
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:30,400
the water's flowing because when that
effect that would essentially change if

1021
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:34,239
we were to build
that uh mound all the way across that

1022
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:38,159
would change where the low point of the
high point of the land would be right

1023
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:43,360
right right well
as far as the amount here um

1024
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,880
right now the water you know the high
points down here somewhere the water

1025
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:50,080
just sheds this way nothing impedes it
right it's all downhill

1026
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:53,120
from south to north
when we put the mound in what's going to

1027
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:58,400
happen is the top of the mountain that
water's going to shed off into the rear

1028
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:01,040
yards here but everything
south of that mound is going to come

1029
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:04,080
back to our storm sewer system to be
piped into the basin

1030
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:09,360
so we're actually it's actually going to
help us collect and maintain keep water

1031
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:13,840
on on the site so we can
treat it and store it in our detention

1032
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,840
basis

1033
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:21,679
but i think we're already moving dirt
around right yeah we can create like a

1034
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:24,480
new low area just because i i'm
concerned that

1035
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:30,480
first of all like where that is
and and looking at your your drawing

1036
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:32,960
here i mean people's headlights are
going to be coming in because it's

1037
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,440
uphill
where the road is from where these

1038
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:38,960
people's houses are i feel like
headlights are making them right they're

1039
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:42,320
back into their bedroom windows out of
their backyard your headlights aren't

1040
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,360
usually focused
up and out they're usually focused out

1041
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:49,199
and down a little bit but that's right
across from where the entrance is so

1042
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:53,520
cars are going to be coming in all night
yeah and they're down and so i imagine

1043
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:56,640
right here you see the road line you can
see the road and that's the car it goes

1044
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:01,040
straight it looks like it goes straight
across and through there so just from a

1045
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:04,239
grading perspective
you know the ridgeline's down here

1046
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:07,199
somewhere right we're going to probably
mimic that with our proposed grid so

1047
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,520
we're going to be in a downward
trajectory as we

1048
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:14,480
this road will be falling down
so it's not like they're coming up a

1049
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:18,880
hill and shining lights up they're going
to be shining lights down

1050
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:22,960
typically screens screening requirements
for all parking lots for headlights 30

1051
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:25,840
inches i would say
you know we're going to have a fence

1052
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:31,679
that's going to be
top of that it's going to be roughly 82

1053
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:35,920
882 i believe
we're at probably 75-ish that's an

1054
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:41,199
average grade might be even lower here
might be closer to 74. so we're going to

1055
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:46,239
be five six feet you know easily
seven feet

1056
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:50,400
easily below the top of our screen here
so i just don't see that as a

1057
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,679
as an issue if anything i think we're
helping the situation out here

1058
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:00,880
so if we come back to
the

1059
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:05,719
detention pond
um if we can kind of

1060
01:20:06,639 --> 01:20:14,719
if you were to extend that berm all the
way to the property line wouldn't that

1061
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:19,280
then funnel the water back down into the
pond if you were to lower that

1062
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:22,159
um and then still be able to have that
burn

1063
01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:26,639
and then the you know the water
to the north would go to

1064
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:28,960
the the drainage into the south it would
funnel then

1065
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:32,880
into
a pond if you were to move it say south

1066
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,840
a little bit
in terms of that great

1067
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:39,440
because you'd have you know that high
burn right

1068
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:43,280
would that funnel that down into
in that area and then you wouldn't have

1069
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:46,560
to necessarily worry about
where you know where it's going and

1070
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:50,800
trying to pump it back
right i think the the problem with that

1071
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:53,520
is the footprint of that mound is is
very large

1072
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,600
um
and it would i looked at trying to get a

1073
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:02,480
basin in this location it just isn't
possible it's just to you know without

1074
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:06,480
sacrificing a major portion of the plan
it's it's just it's not feasible

1075
01:21:06,639 --> 01:21:10,480
one thing the one of the previous

1076
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:18,000
sections that was shown earlier you know
shows that mound pretty uniform well the

1077
01:21:16,239 --> 01:21:22,719
problem is you know grades on this side
are a few feet higher than they are here

1078
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:26,719
so at three to one slope you've got more
more slope to get to the peak so you

1079
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:33,199
need more run
on the north side to get to the peak so

1080
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:38,000
it pushes the pushes the um
the mound you know further further south

1081
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:43,440
and maybe what that shows that simple
section shows

1082
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:46,320
so just the footprint of it just
the foot they've created the top of that

1083
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:50,000
mound where it's shown here the
footprint of it it just totally wipes

1084
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,400
out my detention base and you can see if
you can send these contours straight

1085
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,360
through
and then come back down to the bottom i

1086
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:59,520
mean i might have a ditch here there
just won't be any storage

1087
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:04,080
i mean i firmly believe this is the
place the pond needs to go

1088
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:07,400
i think it'll it'll function very well
at that location

1089
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,960
i'm just looking looking at the contours
that i can see on that map i mean

1090
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:25,440
they're very
they kind of go towards like the south

1091
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,760
east
almost

1092
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:31,920
so
i mean we have to lose some parking

1093
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,520
lot
you know we already said we're over we

1094
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:40,000
have more parking spaces than we really
need that can be something that we give

1095
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:42,800
up for the sake of
being able to extend is not if you can

1096
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:47,600
move that south a little bit because
then follow the contours

1097
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:50,239
into the kink where that parking lot is
you see what i'm saying yeah i

1098
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:55,199
understand i understand what you're
saying i think when you start to move

1099
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:01,360
this infrastructure south i mean you
start to destroy the circulation i mean

1100
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,360
it'll really ripple through the project

1101
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:18,080
you know again let's not
discount the fact that you know i think

1102
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:20,880
from the property line up to the top of
that fence we're going to be at plus 14

1103
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,560
feet
for a screen

1104
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:28,480
and i think that's pretty significant i
think headlights will be definitely tall

1105
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:32,840
enough to block headlights definitely
you know tall enough to block you

1106
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:37,520
especially from the first floor down
um yes i think the important thing to

1107
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:42,080
note is that
if you're if you're a resident and

1108
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:46,040
you're you're north of the mound
okay so if you're standing

1109
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:01,520
if you're standing here and if you could
just do a pretty good job of doing this

1110
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:04,560
for the mic so that everybody can hear
it

1111
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,600
there you go
if um

1112
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,920
if you're standing north of the mound
here

1113
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:14,080
you're seeing basically
a

1114
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:17,520
slope
what john is three to one three three

1115
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:19,600
four three to one slope
that's

1116
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,800
you know you've got a mound that's
roughly

1117
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:27,760
nine feet high with a six foot fence
that's a 15 15 feet of total buffer if

1118
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:32,159
you're standing here
in front of what i'll call berm this

1119
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:37,440
berm that's
you know it's like half of a mound right

1120
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:42,239
it's really an analogous condition in
terms of what you're looking at because

1121
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,920
you've got a mound that's
six feet high and we're talking about

1122
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:50,560
doing a bigger fence there an eight foot
high fence so you've got roughly

1123
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:52,960
14 feet i mean you're you're within a
foot

1124
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:58,239
and i mean visually this would be a
three to one slope roughly right three

1125
01:24:55,360 --> 01:25:02,960
to one slow three to one slope plantings
you know evergreens etc

1126
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:06,960
same thing here so i think visually
um if you're looking from the north

1127
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:12,560
looking south
i think the visual impact is

1128
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:17,760
very analogous i think it's
i think it's very very similar

1129
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:21,600
almost the same what you don't get is
is is the amount that's on our property

1130
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:26,080
because
and i mean nobody here can see that

1131
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:30,719
here instead of having the mounds slope
down three to one heading south

1132
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:35,279
that berm falls off into
into the pond right here

1133
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:35,279
[Music]

1134
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:42,639
okay thank you do you have anything else
to present or should we open up we're

1135
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:46,239
almost done just a couple of couple last
points

1136
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:46,239
thank you john

1137
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:55,280
so just just continuing a few more
points on some of the revisions that

1138
01:25:53,920 --> 01:26:01,120
we've made to the plan throughout the
process as mentioned earlier

1139
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:06,080
you know originally we had a full access
point because

1140
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:09,520
warren county requested it and then they
they took a look at the functionality of

1141
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:14,639
some of the other intersections in the
area and said look we're okay with with

1142
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:19,280
it just being you can cut off the access
point to thornberry court and just

1143
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:23,840
provide a gate that emergency services
vehicles can use that was a big concern

1144
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:29,120
early on from neighboring residents was
they didn't like the fact that we had a

1145
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:32,480
connection to thornbury court so that
that

1146
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:37,040
that's been resolved
the other comment that we got fairly

1147
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:42,000
recently was building nine which is kind
of in the northwest excuse me northeast

1148
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:45,679
corner of the site um
there's a home that doesn't show in this

1149
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:50,239
area but there's a home there now and
some of the rosemont south residents

1150
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:54,320
request you know asked us a requested us
to look at um beefing up a visual buffer

1151
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:59,199
here so we
we kind of pushed the sidewalk south and

1152
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:02,400
this one sat further south and this one
north and we've been able to create

1153
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:07,920
a
mound here uh that's roughly four or

1154
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:11,760
four feet high and then we would provide
plantings throughout that amount so

1155
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:16,960
that'll provide a very nice
landscape buffer the one the last thing

1156
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:21,520
in terms of revision
the zoning commission had a comment on

1157
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:26,159
building one which you have that on your
site plan that's not on the screen

1158
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:31,120
building one the north face of building
one was

1159
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:34,000
was further north than the north face of
buildings um

1160
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,639
let me see if i can quickly get it back
on the screen just so

1161
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:57,120
okay so here you can see building one
the north face of that

1162
01:27:54,960 --> 01:28:01,600
is is
is beyond the north face of these two

1163
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:05,280
buildings so we had a comment from a
zoning commission member said hey

1164
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:09,440
can you look at
scooching this building down so that the

1165
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:12,960
north face of building one doesn't
extend beyond the north face of these

1166
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:15,920
buildings and we were
you know we were we were we looked at

1167
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:19,040
that and we were able to accommodate
that request so if you look

1168
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:23,679
now
on the site plan

1169
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:27,639
that you have in your packet i'll try to
quickly scoop back there

1170
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:33,440
can see now that building one is the
north face of building one does not

1171
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:37,760
extend beyond
the north faces of these buildings

1172
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:42,000
so
with that i would just say that

1173
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:45,840
in conclusion the proposed development
is consistent with the historical

1174
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,600
pattern of development seen along this
portion of tylersville road

1175
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:53,760
and incorporates a step down in use
intensity

1176
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:57,840
moving south to north that exhibits
sound planning and zoning principles

1177
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:03,679
the
[Music]

1178
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:08,080
the the site is uh this plan is in a
convenient easily accessible location

1179
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:11,040
and i think we've demonstrated the high
quality developments that we've brought

1180
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:14,639
to deerfield township in the past with
the grandstand one deerfield

1181
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:18,800
and the proposed development will be of
the same high quality

1182
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:23,040
i also like to mention again that all
the all the consistencies of this plan

1183
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:27,520
relative to
the current deerfield township

1184
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:30,960
comprehensive plan as well as the
proposed update

1185
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:34,320
i thank everybody for their
time this evening and

1186
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:37,520
myself and all the members of our team
will be available

1187
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:43,120
to answer any questions that you might
have thank you thank you

1188
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:48,080
okay so now we're going to move on to uh
public comment and if you filled out a

1189
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,719
sheet from our last meeting right here
again we have it we're going to call you

1190
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:56,080
up
uh if you're not here we'll set it off

1191
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:59,760
to the side in case that person shows up
and then anyone else knew who killed

1192
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:03,760
that one today it's like you're bringing
it up you can bring them up to mr yoder

1193
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,440
here we'll call you and then just to
remind you when you come up state your

1194
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:11,360
name your address
and whether you've been sworn in for the

1195
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:16,400
record and you have miss warnings and
this reader will store you in

1196
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:21,840
and uh we're gonna do a five minute
limit on everyone's comments you can get

1197
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,840
everyone in i'll find you

1198
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:33,040
um and i saw a fair number of people
walking in too perhaps are there people

1199
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:36,560
that intend to speak that were
sworn in already tonight is there a

1200
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,800
decent amount or not
maybe

1201
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:42,320
well there's only one i could just
handle that when we go there but i

1202
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:45,440
thought maybe there was a bunch we had a
couple answers about this if there's

1203
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:50,880
anybody that hasn't been sworn in
already tonight that things they might

1204
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,880
want to give a testimony go ahead

1205
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:55,840
all right
perfect do you solemnly swear our

1206
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,120
affirmative testimony you'll give
tonight will be true and accurate to the

1207
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,159
best of your knowledge and belief yeah
great thanks you can be sued

1208
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:07,880
so with that we'll go ahead and get
started

1209
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:07,880
first person is tim bradshaw

1210
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:23,840
[Music]
first um so my name is tim radzick 6595

1211
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,840
glenstone way i have been sworn

1212
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:29,199
um
so i probably won't well i certainly

1213
01:31:27,679 --> 01:31:32,639
don't have any pretty pictures or the
gravitas of some of the previous

1214
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,800
presenters i'm just the guy who plunked
down

1215
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:39,760
several hundred thousand dollars for a
home

1216
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:42,880
in deerfield because i love what i saw
there and i love the community and i

1217
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:46,159
have some concerns
and i don't think they've yet been

1218
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:49,440
addressed so that's why i'm speaking
today

1219
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,159
according to the speakers i should be
very happy that there's this development

1220
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:57,199
being built next to my house or it's
down the road from my house

1221
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:03,040
apparently my property values are going
to increase

1222
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:05,760
uh crime's going to go down
everything's going to be better or at

1223
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:09,600
least the same
of course that sort of excludes the fact

1224
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,880
that if something is the same or better
then there's probably some that's going

1225
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:18,000
to be worse
property values will increase within 300

1226
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:21,120
feet of the property
apparently due to a study but maybe the

1227
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:24,880
homes that are right next to the
development aren't going to increase

1228
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:24,880
that

1229
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:31,280
apparently
i have misconceptions about renters

1230
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:36,800
i'll just state i've been in the air
force for 23 years and i've lived

1231
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:40,400
everywhere i've lived in a metal shack
in baghdad

1232
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:46,639
and i've lived in a same family home
i lived in uh four bridges apartments

1233
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:48,960
owned several homes around the country
um

1234
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,760
so i have a pretty good experience of
what it's like to be a renter and a

1235
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,639
homeowner
and

1236
01:32:53,120 --> 01:33:00,000
i would say that i prefer being a
homeowner and i know what it's like to

1237
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:03,040
live in an apartment with renters and
as much as it's been told to me that i

1238
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:07,679
shouldn't be happy and i have
misconceptions i don't feel i have them

1239
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:11,440
i've been one and i know what my
neighbors were like and they were very

1240
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:15,440
nice people but it's a different
environment and the home next to that is

1241
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:18,159
a different environment as well
um

1242
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:21,360
i would say that most every homeowner
here would not be happy if their home

1243
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:24,639
was torn down or the home next to them
was torn down

1244
01:33:22,719 --> 01:33:27,440
and an apartment community was built
there

1245
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:31,679
so that on itself
says something about the the data that

1246
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:34,560
says we should be happy
with this development

1247
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,159
so
um

1248
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:41,520
i guess my main concern is that this
doesn't seem like a planned urban

1249
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:44,159
development to me
talked about a little bit right at the

1250
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:48,960
beginning there's a little sidebar
conversation about

1251
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:53,760
apartments above businesses or off to
the side if you can draw a line

1252
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,960
through the development and everything
commercials on one side

1253
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:01,040
and everything residential is on the
other side i don't see how that's

1254
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:04,239
diversity of housing
i don't see how it's intermingled or

1255
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:09,120
integrated
i don't see how it's horizontally

1256
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:13,920
integrated there's a step
so i think it's segregated

1257
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:19,440
and it doesn't really meet the
sort of definition of a planned unit

1258
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:23,199
development as i see it
simply saying something is a fact

1259
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:26,320
doesn't necessarily make it so
a lot of things were said

1260
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,760
i actually think this could be an
interesting development

1261
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:32,960
i think there are some tweaks that that
should be made i think i think the

1262
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:36,400
property owners deserve
to earn some money for their property

1263
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:40,000
and the city
or the the township deserves to have a

1264
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:43,520
good development that meets the needs of
the people

1265
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:46,880
but this is sort of being presented as a
false dichotomy

1266
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:49,600
that
almost like the people who are against

1267
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:53,360
it
aren't for having businesses a long time

1268
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,960
as well but i would wager to say that
almost everyone here

1269
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:00,400
is fine with having businesses along
tylersville they just want their

1270
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:03,840
backyard
i came to ohio and one of the neat

1271
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:07,760
things i saw different from california
was that

1272
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:11,360
we have a backyard and it's the next
people's backyard and it's also the next

1273
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:14,719
people's backyard and you can see all
around and you can have your kids play

1274
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:18,560
with your neighbors
they're taking the backyard away

1275
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,040
and
maybe that doesn't show up in some of

1276
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:25,600
the data
but it shows up in the fact that

1277
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:30,800
no one no one along
glenn stone that i know

1278
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:30,800
is happy about this development

1279
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:37,360
i don't think the only option is a high
density housing development which is

1280
01:35:35,119 --> 01:35:40,960
what this is there's a high density
housing development which could

1281
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:44,719
legitimately be
zoned as such

1282
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:50,800
and a commercial development next to it
that could legitimately be zoned as such

1283
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:55,920
and that isn't how a pud should be
the density is odd

1284
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:59,840
13.32 units per acre but is presented as
11 units per acre seems kind of like a

1285
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:04,080
dodge to me
i don't know how you guys define that

1286
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:07,199
you're definitely the experts in that
but that seems awful to me

1287
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:12,719
it was interesting that it was presented
as

1288
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:17,440
our development is going to look like a
modern farmhouse

1289
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:21,639
how about put a modern farmhouse
that's the promise that was made

1290
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:27,470
[Music]

1291
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:34,400
for those people that choose to clap or
be disorderly i will have you escort

1292
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,119
down
people can speak but this is not going

1293
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:42,480
to be a popularity contest or against it
so please don't test me

1294
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:46,239
we want to hear everyone but that's all
we want to hear thank you

1295
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:49,600
so i know that zoning is exciting your
five minutes are up also just you know

1296
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:53,119
is that when i write what they applauded
is when the alarm went off so if you can

1297
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:57,040
just wrap up really quickly please okay
i know that zoning isn't a promise it's

1298
01:36:54,719 --> 01:37:00,000
not set in stone changes are made but i
think it's important that all

1299
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:02,639
stakeholders are considered
that

1300
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:05,360
especially those who are having harm
done to them should maybe be considered

1301
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:09,920
a little bit more than those who are
looking to gain something for it and

1302
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:13,119
again i'm i'm a conservative capitalist
i totally understand the property

1303
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:18,080
developers needs
but i feel like a promise was made that

1304
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:21,280
we were going to have at least some
attention considered look at other

1305
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:24,800
options
to what might

1306
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:28,880
go behind our homes
rather than to have you know

1307
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:33,119
13.32
units per acre

1308
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:36,880
so my parents always taught me before
you tear a fence down how long it's

1309
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:39,679
longer because your time really is is
several minutes before you tear a fence

1310
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:43,280
down you should know why the fence is
put up in the first place i think

1311
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:46,560
there's a reason why this was zoned as
uh residential

1312
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:52,739
in the way it was zoned and i think the
change has been appropriate

1313
01:37:49,670 --> 01:37:52,739
[Music]

1314
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:59,800
all right next person that's out there
is raj up and drums

1315
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:14,800
my name is raj rupinram
i live on here 65-15 glenn stoneway

1316
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:18,800
mason ohio i've been swallowing
good evening everybody um

1317
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:23,040
you know this is the very first time uh
we are presenting um

1318
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,480
from our rosemont south community to the
trustees

1319
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:30,800
uh and i'm the rosemont south
association president

1320
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:34,880
uh besides me with other um
board of members in the rosemont

1321
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:39,920
association we have had several number
of conversations with our um neighbors

1322
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:43,760
regarding many concerns about this
proposal just to give a quick background

1323
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:49,440
because like i said this is the first
time we're presenting to you um you know

1324
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:53,360
when we all bought our houses in like 10
years or 16 years ago we were all pro we

1325
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:58,080
were all promised that there's going to
be single family houses right behind our

1326
01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:03,280
neighbor like in our backyard but
apparently that didn't happen in 2014

1327
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:07,679
since then a couple of developers came
into picture and they proposed some

1328
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:11,679
weird uh you know and greedy proposals
such as they're trying to build some big

1329
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:16,080
commercial complexes right behind our
neighborhood you know um trying to make

1330
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:20,000
money um they're all trying to make
money at the cost of our uh you know

1331
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:25,119
privacy and the cost of our quality of
our life and compromising on the traffic

1332
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:28,400
and safety concerns and all that so
since then um you know like i said

1333
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:31,679
couple of uh developers came into
picture and they tried to present it to

1334
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:36,239
the the trustees and the zoning
commissions and we all came here um

1335
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:40,560
hundreds of people all the neighbors
came and raised our voices we were very

1336
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:45,360
clear and loud that we want to maintain
our quality of our life in this single

1337
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:50,159
family homes because we paid so much of
money into our home for many of us it's

1338
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:53,760
a it's our dream you know for some of
the people some of the neighbors it's

1339
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:58,719
their kids education some of their
neighbors it's a retirement amount so

1340
01:39:56,719 --> 01:40:03,520
you know with keeping all those things
um you know the the trustees and the

1341
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:07,679
past committees they listened to us they
respected our opinion they respected our

1342
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:11,760
you know the concerns and all that and
they rejected their proposals

1343
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:15,760
recently when uh the last time the very
first time mr silverman company came and

1344
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:19,440
presented their proposal it was very
similar to what the previous developers

1345
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:24,239
did that i mean it was they built the
houses the proposal was very uh close to

1346
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:28,719
the commercial complexes very right
behind our neighborhood no buffer

1347
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:34,560
nothing there is no um character no
transition uh been uh followed through

1348
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:38,880
and we again raised our concern i mean
this might be the eighth or tenth time

1349
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:42,159
we are coming to this room sometimes we
feel like we are coming more than the

1350
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:48,480
deerfield officer enquiries here you
know we've been so used to this and this

1351
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:52,320
has been going on since 2014. finally um
i know every time whenever silverman

1352
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:57,840
presents his uh presentation those are
very beautiful uh um you know um

1353
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:02,159
facilities that they're providing like
beautiful lodges and all that but for us

1354
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:05,840
it doesn't really matter i mean whether
they put the commerce with the golden

1355
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:09,440
gold plated commerce in their restrooms
or whether they keep the juice water or

1356
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:13,360
water or you know whatever it's in the
refrigerators we don't care i mean for

1357
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:16,800
us it no it's nothing for us that might
be for the people who are renting it so

1358
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:21,040
every time i never come to this meeting
sometimes i feel like i came to rent an

1359
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:25,920
apartment but most of the times i mean
the the major concern that we raised

1360
01:41:23,119 --> 01:41:28,800
last time too was uh you know
these are all going to be rented out

1361
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,880
to
you know for the rental people and they

1362
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:37,040
have no vested interest in developing
the community values or relations there

1363
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:40,639
that that's just their pit stop they
just stay here today and they're gone

1364
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:45,199
tomorrow so that's why we wanted a
privacy we wanted you know traffic to be

1365
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:50,159
maintained as well as a security
concerns we raised all that last meeting

1366
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:55,840
and you know the current proposal they
came up with we kind of uh agreed to

1367
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:59,280
that because you know we know for sure
that there is going to something is

1368
01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:03,600
going to happen in the backyard you know
and we're not crazy to stop everything

1369
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:07,040
we we're not asking a single family base
uh single family homes all the way to

1370
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:11,360
the taylor's room now i know it's a fine
land road we're not doing that

1371
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:16,560
but the way this is proposed is not
consistent or you know the transition is

1372
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:20,880
not appropriate and one side it's 16
feet on the glenstone houses now it's

1373
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:26,080
only six feet or whatever that just
explained what today tonight's my

1374
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:31,119
request from the homeowners association
is very simple and straightforward we

1375
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:35,360
wanted to have the developer maintain
the burn consistency across the

1376
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:39,760
development throughout the development
moving the retention point all the way

1377
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:43,760
to the south side and we have a bill
here tonight to speak about the

1378
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:47,119
retention field if if that
retention field is moved to south side

1379
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:51,280
what are the technical challenges you
know then as far as we know

1380
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:54,080
there are no technical challenge
challenges involved in moving the

1381
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:58,239
retention pond
from north to the south probably you

1382
01:42:56,480 --> 01:43:01,840
know we will they'll be compromising on
the building number one and you know if

1383
01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:04,719
they maintain the same consistency and
the thornberry code they'll be

1384
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:08,800
compromising on the building number nine
and that i'm going to talk about the

1385
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:11,520
density as well the last time mr
silverman companies presented the

1386
01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:15,520
density
numbers

1387
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:20,719
they were taking uh the density of 196
units for the whole entire 17.5 acres

1388
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:24,880
that is not correct that math is not
correct

1389
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:29,119
17 point out of 17.5 acres three end of
acres is discard for the commercial side

1390
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:35,600
so they have to take into consideration
only that 14 acres land 14 acres divided

1391
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:40,239
by 192 units that's the density that
they need to look at so the density is

1392
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:43,600
really so high with 196 homes behind our
neighborhood if they they can take out

1393
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:47,119
the building number one and building
number nine so that they can move this

1394
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:50,719
retention part all the way to the south
we know for sure the retention point is

1395
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:53,840
required in the previous meetings
silverman companies presented that

1396
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:58,320
retention fund is required required they
kept it kept saying 100 we all know that

1397
01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:02,000
for sure that the retention point is
very much required but all we're asking

1398
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:06,000
is move the retention point towards the
south side and maintain the consistency

1399
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:09,760
across throughout the development that
will be a nice transition and and there

1400
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:13,920
is another
16 acres parcel right next to this

1401
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:17,679
current proposal i'm sure that that is
ready and it's going to be developed

1402
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:22,080
anytime within no time you know that's
ready for that so once this burn height

1403
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:27,040
and everything is set
appropriately consistently across this

1404
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:30,719
will be the precedence for the next
parcel development as well and when we

1405
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:33,920
are here for the next partial
development hearing the meeting will be

1406
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:38,719
done in 15 minutes and they maintain the
same same consistency that's all we are

1407
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:43,119
asking tonight please maintain the same
burn consistency across the development

1408
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:48,560
so that you know all the glenster
neighbors will have the equal uh quality

1409
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:53,199
of life and equal uh privacy of their
families that's the main request here

1410
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:57,040
tonight and also thinking about the
density that density is so high so if

1411
01:44:55,760 --> 01:45:00,320
they can compromise on the building
number one and building number nine that

1412
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:04,480
takes care of the
the entire issue so that's all i'm here

1413
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:09,280
for thank you so much for giving this
opportunity

1414
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:13,440
and um before i leave um i just would
like to um give this copies to the

1415
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:16,800
trustees um because of the covert
situation not many people can attend

1416
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:19,840
this meeting today and of course the
lord we have room limitations here as

1417
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:25,040
well so
all the neighbors almost 120 neighbors

1418
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:29,760
to sign the petition uh um whatever that
i just asked for and i would like to

1419
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:34,639
give this to you and there is a um
i mean mr bills bill is our uh building

1420
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:38,239
inspection engineer he gave a certified
copy of

1421
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:42,320
uh the saying that the retention pond
can be moved without any technical

1422
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:46,400
challenges we have that certified letter
here as well and he's been here he's

1423
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:50,639
been in this field for almost 30 years
which is very well expert expert on that

1424
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:53,360
so i'm going to give this to you
thank you so much

1425
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:01,080
all right next person up is chandra
pangalan

1426
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:22,199
okay

1427
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:40,000
[Music]

1428
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:57,320
yes yeah

1429
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,520
is

1430
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:34,800
i live in 6539 glenn stoneway i've been
sworn in earlier today

1431
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:38,560
thanks uh dear friend trustee signed
previously all the board members giving

1432
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:44,159
us this opportunity are presented in the
past but i'm going to present today

1433
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:48,080
i've heard mr silverman today and in the
past so um

1434
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:52,000
i will i will basically start with the
plan the majority of the issues that we

1435
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:55,600
have right now
are because of the light pollution and

1436
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:59,520
the screening that we have with this
road uh i think a

1437
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:04,480
lot of trustees you have asked us
questions uh earlier but i just want to

1438
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:07,679
add on to your questions earlier
from your their presentation

1439
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:10,719
so
looking at this plan

1440
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:18,800
the looking at this plan the entrance to
this is most of the entrance is this one

1441
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:22,480
so we have about 400
car spaces and then

1442
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:26,080
this is not clearly presented what's
going to come here but i physically

1443
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:30,000
counted all these parking spaces they
come out to be roughly

1444
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:32,719
120
so

1445
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:35,840
for all of these the entrance is this
one

1446
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:40,080
day and night 24 hours they use this
space to enter this so what

1447
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,080
so

1448
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:51,600
so they're going to come using the same
entrance to come into that so

1449
01:48:50,159 --> 01:48:56,880
the mound
earlier was presented that yeah they're

1450
01:48:53,840 --> 01:49:01,679
going to add a 70 foot width with a nine
four to a nine foot mount with a six

1451
01:48:58,719 --> 01:49:05,600
foot uh fence fixed pixel fence on top
of it with some more tree coverage which

1452
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:10,800
i don't know how long it's gonna take
grow long power or what but it will take

1453
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:17,679
some time right so the main concern that
we have is these this pond this pond is

1454
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:21,199
in a terribly worst location that it
could be

1455
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:25,040
for most of the residents beyond that
area

1456
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:27,520
uh i'm going to tell uh go to
height

1457
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:30,080
difference here
bring it down

1458
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:35,360
so
so this is this is tylersville road

1459
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:39,280
sorry i put it in a different angle this
is talusville road the future road

1460
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:43,360
expansion is going to come here so i
think earlier one of the

1461
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:47,599
person has mentioned that the the
majority of this is this is this is a

1462
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:53,040
peak of that land the water is going to
come this side right so i measured this

1463
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:58,560
in a google earth that's about i got it
here 266 meter height that which means

1464
01:49:56,239 --> 01:50:03,840
it's that land that piece of land is
about 260 feet 66 feet above sea level

1465
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:10,080
right
and then this piece of land here is at

1466
01:50:06,679 --> 01:50:15,280
263 ps which is my backyard are several
other people's back hairs

1467
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:21,440
263 so that's about three feet which
roughly calculates to 10 10 foot high so

1468
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:25,360
there is a 10 foot height difference car
coming here

1469
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:28,639
so where is what where is the light
gonna go

1470
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:32,400
right in here
into my second floor

1471
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:37,440
i have a picture of that i'm gonna show
that so

1472
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:40,960
so and then there is a water issue right
and then before i go into the next slide

1473
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:47,920
i'm going to talk about it there is a
sick 265 here there is a 265 here there

1474
01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:53,119
is 265 there is not much difference in
this entire line in how it is landscaped

1475
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:59,760
that is from the google earth data which
we believe is mostly very one percent

1476
01:50:56,560 --> 01:51:04,880
up to one percent it is accurate okay
so the argument of that pod cannot be

1477
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:09,360
moved anywhere is not technical at all
it is purely commercial how much

1478
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:12,080
building that they wanted to build
that's the argument i'm trying to make

1479
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:15,040
here
go to number three

1480
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:23,119
so
so i i just so i had another slide here

1481
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,960
it's actually says 257 but it is that
point is little bit but it's 200 i give

1482
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:31,920
a little bit more to developer this is
262

1483
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:36,320
right under the swale and the swale is a
20-foot swale which is in under our

1484
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:40,880
property the rosemont home owner south
of station property and earlier the

1485
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:44,560
developer perspective they are actually
down pour all the water into our soil

1486
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:48,000
which is already a big problem which i
already mentioned with the several devil

1487
01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:52,080
field
stop department already

1488
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:54,400
so
so

1489
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:57,679
so
and look at

1490
01:51:55,440 --> 01:52:02,480
look at and i just wanted to make up
use this slide to talk about something

1491
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:05,040
else so talking about other neighbors if
you look at

1492
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:08,960
all of these
the this is a condominium complex next

1493
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:12,159
to us
this that's the uh west border that's

1494
01:52:11,199 --> 01:52:19,599
the
that's the south border everywhere it is

1495
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:23,360
a 12 foot bomb a 13 foot burn okay and
with a tree line

1496
01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:23,360
just

1497
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:30,960
12 foot there is nowhere there is a pond
if the pond is placed it's right in the

1498
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:35,199
middle of their property line it's right
in the middle of the property line this

1499
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:39,040
is right these are the homes
but there is a street and no property

1500
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:42,800
line these are the condominiums this is
a single family a big tree line with a

1501
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:46,239
burma
but there is

1502
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:50,560
so the proposal of that pond is not
gonna work for us

1503
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:55,280
okay please next slide
number four

1504
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:58,639
so earlier one of these days i have
taken a picture from a tallest wheel

1505
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:03,920
road driving on my travel spill road
this is right on the tylersville road

1506
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:07,599
okay we know that is the highest spot
and actually the highest spot is

1507
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:11,760
somewhere there but this is little bit
one foot one meter down if you from a

1508
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:16,880
tallest wall it goes higher and then it
goes down slowly from here if if i could

1509
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:22,239
sorry please
keep it there keep it there that's fine

1510
01:53:19,199 --> 01:53:27,040
uh from here i can see see the if if i'm
standing here my vehicle facing north

1511
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:31,119
where those are the windows on the
second floor you can see that

1512
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:35,520
because i couldn't go into there without
trespassing their property so i took it

1513
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:39,040
from the street so the light is it's a
lot of light pollution

1514
01:53:38,159 --> 01:53:43,440
so
the builder has no concern about it

1515
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:47,599
looks like he was talking about
something something screening but

1516
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:53,199
it will not provide anything for those
families it's a it's a 500 vehicle

1517
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:58,480
traffic not 400 vehicle traffic because
of the future

1518
01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:58,480
businesses that's going to come there

1519
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:04,320
yeah
so i would like other opportunity to

1520
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:08,960
utilize here
so this is the very very building the

1521
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:12,880
building we are sitting here okay
so

1522
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:15,679
see this is where we are right now
this is where we are

1523
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:21,199
this is the this is the i think this
building was built later on

1524
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:25,679
after this this single family home
this is that this is a mound of 12 feet

1525
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:29,599
or something
look at the tree line

1526
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:33,199
yes tree line takes long time to build
but

1527
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:38,400
they have used 70 foot plus another 20
foot or something 20 25 foot and it's a

1528
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:42,320
big tree line there is no pond nothing
here if the pond were to build build

1529
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:46,719
somewhere else so this is the kind of
view we like if there is a light

1530
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:51,080
it will never pass through this
that is a screen that we will have

1531
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:02,480
so yeah earlier today
earlier today

1532
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:07,679
that i think we were playing with my son
was playing with it it's not to scale

1533
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:12,800
but this is this is our uh
this is our backyard sitting on our deck

1534
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:16,800
see the light coming in that's the view
we have

1535
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:20,719
would you want me to have that kind of a
view 24 hours in a day the lights

1536
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:25,920
headlights coming in this is building
one this is only six foot mount this

1537
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:30,159
tree will take up to 10 years 20 years
to grow to block that

1538
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:35,040
so after 20 years i am going to face
this light 24 hours a day

1539
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:39,040
that's not that's not fair that's not i
signed in so i'm going back to my single

1540
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:42,719
family argument the single family we
signed up this home after checking with

1541
01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:45,920
haifa deerfield township and we
purchased this land

1542
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:50,560
hoping that one day this something will
come and that something will be single

1543
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:54,480
family home and they will have kids so
all 360 side degrees of my home there

1544
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:59,599
will be single family families living
kids living

1545
01:55:56,239 --> 01:56:03,840
but here the developer is doing a a plan
which is uh

1546
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:08,639
empty nesters and young families
probably less kids according to this

1547
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:11,360
statistic they'll be only having 0.2 per
home or something like

1548
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:15,760
20
so we are already missing out something

1549
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:19,920
right so that is something that we are
trying to give to the developer we

1550
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:24,480
worked with him he worked with us
we met them we met him many times

1551
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:29,119
not me personally but our hr members and
other people met them personally spoke

1552
01:56:26,639 --> 01:56:33,280
about this very issue me and my wife
spoke to mr silverman right in this bill

1553
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:37,199
in this room after the end of the
previous meeting and we talked to talk

1554
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:41,199
to him about this issue so this is the
issue i mean i you could physically see

1555
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:46,320
this what's what's the issue there right
there

1556
01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:50,000
so this is this plan as is it's not
going to work

1557
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:54,239
the density had to be reduced the
building had to go away that's what my

1558
01:56:51,440 --> 01:57:00,320
request is so that everyone is
it will work for everyone and uh

1559
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:04,800
yeah my my greatest hope is to get a
feel family but something had to come

1560
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:09,920
there and after all this we are tired we
cannot come like 20 times uh every year

1561
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:15,119
for these kind of meetings we don't have
time we have families to raise so

1562
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:18,159
so we would like to
work with them and then that is that is

1563
01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:23,760
the option like
actually this the light if you see it

1564
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:28,960
anywhere if the mound is to build the
mound height of the entire plot this

1565
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:34,320
this is where it need to be
higher like 12 feet 13 feet plus a six

1566
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:37,920
foot wall plus big trees this is where
it is required more

1567
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:41,360
if you if you if you look at the
statistics and the data that we i i just

1568
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:46,159
showed
and the the issue the one more issue i

1569
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:50,719
would like to bring actually i've shown
a video

1570
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:55,280
now we have heard from bayern i think
from bayer and decker

1571
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:59,760
sorry if i get the wrong name wrong so
the water the content of the water where

1572
01:57:57,599 --> 01:58:03,840
it's gonna come it's gonna come into the
soil that we made we're hardly trying to

1573
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:07,360
maintain this is this is a difficult job
actually i would like to play that video

1574
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:12,239
if that is possible
uh

1575
01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:12,239
yeah so yeah that's an old video

1576
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:18,760
yeah let's put it

1577
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:32,400
yeah so that's the water that's one of
those

1578
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:37,840
someday this this kind of a water is
going and it's very hard for us to

1579
01:58:34,719 --> 01:58:44,159
manage and i cannot imagine another 7 to
10 acres of water will come and join

1580
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:48,239
somewhere here and that i our homeowners
all of us have to maintain this water

1581
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:52,159
there is lot of erosion happening
there's a lot of um um

1582
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:56,880
and like
insects and everything is growing

1583
01:58:53,760 --> 01:59:01,679
because i i've actually personally paid
money to repair it many times but

1584
01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:06,400
nothing will uh stay because the force
of the water is so heavy that

1585
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:10,639
i have given up now i'm i need help from
county or deerfield township to take

1586
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:14,480
care of that issue because
that's that's not possible

1587
01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:18,960
and now adding another seven liters of
water and it's going to come very fast

1588
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:23,840
that's that's not going that's the
problem will be increased even more

1589
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:28,159
and i will give my wife to say uh add on
to what you said thank you

1590
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:31,840
hey ma'am if you just give your name and
confirm the fact that you've been sworn

1591
01:59:29,679 --> 01:59:31,840
in

1592
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:46,159
yeah my name is malawi panyala
6539 glenstone way

1593
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:51,679
and
everything that my husband has said and

1594
01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:54,560
raj said and i think other homeowners
are going to speak about that

1595
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:59,679
but
this is like the full image that we see

1596
01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:02,719
right expanding what my husband was
trying in terms of light pollution but

1597
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:08,960
the
variability of how that mound would look

1598
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:13,520
from our backyards right
the light the the the building one

1599
02:00:11,679 --> 02:00:18,560
apartment complex
um you know we did we weren't we're not

1600
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:22,719
as technologically
savvy

1601
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:27,920
to do all this cool imagery but
a pond there right

1602
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:33,280
and then all of that variation that we
have to see every single day

1603
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:36,599
and i want to show this
our kids

1604
02:00:36,780 --> 02:00:39,970
[Music]

1605
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:55,840
letters to the government
to listen to them

1606
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:05,440
you're doing fine
so

1607
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:09,599
you know outside of all the
technical

1608
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:14,320
things that my husband and everybody
here is talking about think about all

1609
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:18,960
our kids what they're losing
with not having other kids to play with

1610
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:23,040
on the other side that they were hoping
to have

1611
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:28,239
and you know there is this big huge
construction over there you know however

1612
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:31,040
long that's going to take right uh we're
being promised some kind of tree line

1613
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:36,719
which
you know i have never seen like a 20

1614
02:01:34,080 --> 02:01:40,960
foot tree planted anywhere as a new
development those are typically three to

1615
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:45,440
five feet and i would like to ask like
how many years should i wait to have

1616
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:51,199
some kind of privacy in my backyard that
i have today that i'm gonna lose so

1617
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:55,840
these people can make more money off of
this property

1618
02:01:52,400 --> 02:02:00,480
so it makes it a very sad miserable
place for us to live

1619
02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:05,040
and that's all i want to say
thank you so

1620
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:08,400
uh sorry for that i just want to add one
more thing the rental property and

1621
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:12,239
everything was mentioned earlier by
silverman and their

1622
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:17,520
supporters of this group are they from
their group so i have another

1623
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:21,920
research done by university of colorado
it says the rental within one five mile

1624
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:26,159
of sold home and negative have a
negative impact on the price of the

1625
02:02:23,440 --> 02:02:30,480
existing home however they said the
value of the homes about one mile down

1626
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:35,520
will increase
but we our property rosemont is within

1627
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:40,800
half mile or within one by fourth mile
so that means it's directly

1628
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:44,480
reducing the value of our home
where they are making money

1629
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:49,119
who's benefiting it
so i would like to have you um providing

1630
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:53,840
this small accept that
method from the internet thank you yeah

1631
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:59,280
and then if you look at the document
like some pictures earlier um

1632
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,280
that

1633
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:02,320
it's actually

1634
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:11,679
so this one
if you if we leave this uh

1635
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:16,800
without not much of the bomb we now we
establish this this is very high right

1636
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:20,880
we we know a person here this is about a
peak of a high height a person at the

1637
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:23,840
swimming pool person in this room person
at a second floor standing on this

1638
02:03:22,719 --> 02:03:27,679
balcony
have a direct view of what's happening

1639
02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:32,000
in my back here
so there's no privacy everywhere they

1640
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:35,440
can see they can see people here people
people from here can see it because

1641
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:38,239
there is no burn or anything there is no
privacy

1642
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,280
so
if

1643
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:44,239
and we don't know we don't know how they
are mean they never interact with us

1644
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:48,560
they are not single family owners we all
come from uh rental background many

1645
02:03:46,719 --> 02:03:51,679
years we saved our money we purchased
home

1646
02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:55,599
uh in a nice neighborhood thinking this
would be but that's not good that looks

1647
02:03:53,679 --> 02:04:01,920
like that may or may not happen i don't
know but it's all in your hand um

1648
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:06,639
respected trustees so
so i want to mention that as well so

1649
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:10,960
this this prop this having this is
definitely ruin privacy and the lighting

1650
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:14,079
and everything and our sleep in the
night

1651
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:18,239
with the light with the lights yeah
thank you thank you

1652
02:04:16,159 --> 02:04:22,199
sorry there was one clarification to
make my life

1653
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:37,440
my my son who is a high schooler
he made those images dress and he had to

1654
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:42,400
do school homework
but he's watching on the live stream and

1655
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:45,599
he wanted to correct something my
husband said that the image was not the

1656
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:51,119
skill
and there is a video to show how

1657
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:55,840
they measured it and that that six foot
wall and the view that we see from our

1658
02:04:53,040 --> 02:05:01,040
deck is absolutely too scale
and he wanted me to tell that

1659
02:04:58,079 --> 02:05:04,480
he just texted me to clarify that for
all of you

1660
02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:09,840
thank you and there is a video we can
provide less how we measure it thank you

1661
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,840
thank you

1662
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:24,079
all right next up i've got um regender
cinderella

1663
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:33,000
my preemptive apologies for any
mispronunciation i know you got it

1664
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:47,679
i just like to let you guys know we've
got the most advanced purifiers in the

1665
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:51,360
world in this room you see them on the
walls so if you want to take your mask

1666
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:55,599
off and take a break or whatever this
hair is purified to 99 percent something

1667
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:58,960
kills everything
you couldn't get sick in here if you

1668
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:02,960
lift the ground don't lick the ground
and we're not right i just wanted to

1669
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:14,639
glenn stoneway
i've been sworn in

1670
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:18,400
i've been a resident of david township
for the last 22 years

1671
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:21,280
i'm sorry that's all right
thank you sir

1672
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:25,440
yeah i've been resident of deerfield
township for the last 22 years

1673
02:06:23,599 --> 02:06:27,599
i take pride in staying deerfield
township

1674
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:32,800
and
i agree with all my neighbors i mean

1675
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:37,440
this plan you cannot approve
please don't put your names to this up

1676
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:41,760
this plan don't let's not leave this to
this plan to our kids and grandkids

1677
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:45,679
you know if i have to give you an
example of any zoning board

1678
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:50,320
modifications i don't have to give
anything else our own deerfield township

1679
02:06:48,159 --> 02:06:54,000
stood up to walmart and the team of
lawyers

1680
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:57,199
they came up with every excuse when they
were building the walmart but you guys

1681
02:06:56,239 --> 02:07:01,679
stood
that's why i'm so grateful for you guys

1682
02:06:59,199 --> 02:07:06,480
you guys too stood against walmart and
the lawyers now when we drive on wilkins

1683
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:10,560
boulevard thanks to your efforts
the residents of long co

1684
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:15,199
don't see anything of walmart from this
side there's a huge wall and the

1685
02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:21,199
boundary was moved away from wilkins
boulevard and whenever i drive there i

1686
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:25,760
say thanks to dear friends that's why
time and time again when i came here i

1687
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:31,599
always thank you guys you have done it
and again now if you approve this plan

1688
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:36,880
when anybody drives on rhinestone way
this has like to look to think about it

1689
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:40,800
walmart you build whole wall
this will be like half off

1690
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:44,639
half side of the residence will have
privacy

1691
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:48,560
protection from light sound and all
kinds of privacy issues

1692
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:52,320
either have will not
think about it

1693
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:57,440
and this will stay forever and your name
will be attached to this one please

1694
02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:01,360
let's not do this let's not approve this
i don't because and our neighbors have

1695
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:05,440
already spoken about all this i don't
want to

1696
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:08,719
stress more and the on this one as
shaker mentioned

1697
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:12,960
there's only one entrance to this
development that is from tylersville and

1698
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:17,040
the lights are coming straight to these
three buildings

1699
02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:21,360
and the six-fit
boundary will not fix it in fact if

1700
02:08:19,599 --> 02:08:24,480
anybody will have more privacy that
should be these buildings the mount

1701
02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:28,480
should be higher on this side of the
wall on this fire this side of the

1702
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:32,480
development not the other side
and so therefore please do not approve

1703
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:37,079
this plan
and that's all i have to say thank you

1704
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:37,079
very much

1705
02:08:37,679 --> 02:08:41,480
next person's bill turner

1706
02:08:53,679 --> 02:09:01,599
hello my name is bill turner i live at
675 park avenue

1707
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:01,599
i've been sworn in

1708
02:09:02,880 --> 02:09:08,719
i am building inspection engineers
i'm a licensed engineer in ohio and

1709
02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:11,599
kentucky
and my

1710
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:16,159
experience is
building engineering

1711
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:19,280
i work on sites i work on buildings
and the rosemont folks have asked me to

1712
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:24,719
come and
look at their situation

1713
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:28,320
and see if maybe there are any options
you've heard a lot of

1714
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:32,560
uh
stories about how this is probably not

1715
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:36,800
going to work but let's look at how
maybe it can work if we make some

1716
02:09:34,560 --> 02:09:40,880
changes
the folks from baron becker have talked

1717
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:44,239
about the ponds
okay

1718
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:49,040
and because baron becker is involved
this is an engineered pond

1719
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:55,119
okay this isn't somebody out in
brown county getting a dozer out digging

1720
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:57,840
a hole in the backyard and calling it a
pond

1721
02:09:56,000 --> 02:10:02,880
this is an engineered pond it has a
specific shape it has a specific size it

1722
02:10:01,199 --> 02:10:06,880
has a specific
depth

1723
02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:11,639
right and because of that
i want to walk up to the picture here a

1724
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:11,639
little bit

1725
02:10:22,159 --> 02:10:29,840
i want to look at this
area here

1726
02:10:25,599 --> 02:10:29,840
okay and what's left thicker now

1727
02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:43,079
oh thank you
those things hit the red button okay

1728
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:43,079
okay

1729
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:54,079
there it is now this
this pond right here

1730
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:57,599
okay is a third of an acre in size
because there's probably some lots in

1731
02:10:55,360 --> 02:11:00,960
deerfield township that aren't much
bigger than that

1732
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:06,639
or even that size
so what that is is a big body of water

1733
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:12,079
okay that could be moved to a safer
place

1734
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:16,880
the concept of continuing this boundary
all the way across

1735
02:11:14,719 --> 02:11:20,400
is very important
i think we heard mr silverman say a

1736
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:25,040
little earlier
that the number of kids

1737
02:11:23,199 --> 02:11:30,880
in the neighborhood
is over three times what they are

1738
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:33,760
in an apartment complex
all right

1739
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:36,840
so i want to kind of think about that a
minute as i leave

1740
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:40,800
because all those
neighborhoods don't have fences back

1741
02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:44,239
there
okay they have children that play out

1742
02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:46,960
there
right and now you're building this big

1743
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:51,760
pond
right next to where everybody plays

1744
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:56,079
and i just want to think about what is
the risk

1745
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:56,079
of one child

1746
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:08,239
next up is jeffrey wu

1747
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:16,719
oh jeffrey
maybe i can call names again at the end

1748
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:19,440
or maybe it was here last time but not
this but

1749
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:24,199
we'll go to the next name then so we've
got

1750
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:24,199
daru barely

1751
02:12:29,830 --> 02:12:32,939
[Music]

1752
02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:48,400
hello everyone i am drew borelli i am a
sixth grader at

1753
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:53,599
mi
thank you for your time i

1754
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:57,199
really do not approve of this because me
and my friends we play a lot in our

1755
02:12:56,000 --> 02:13:01,760
backyards
exactly where we play is where the pawn

1756
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:06,000
is going to be built
now when we have the pawn it's going to

1757
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:11,119
be very unsafe for us to play
so we won't i have anything to do and

1758
02:13:08,239 --> 02:13:15,119
it's going to be extremely unsafe
thank you

1759
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:20,719
mr verily were you sworn
know in everything you just said true

1760
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:20,719
yes good enough

1761
02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:28,679
thanks for coming
uh we'll go to the next i have robbie

1762
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:28,679
toptop

1763
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:52,679
i'm ravi tata i already sworn in
uh i live in 65 55 glenn stoneman mason

1764
02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,679
ryo45040

1765
02:13:52,719 --> 02:14:00,000
uh i strongly object
because we have some serious concerns on

1766
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:04,719
the proposed plan
uh as we are directly impacted one of

1767
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:08,159
the families directly impacted
i stayed right besides that retention

1768
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:11,360
point
so

1769
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:16,079
we are that impacted
so i have

1770
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:20,880
to tell like two major concerns
one is a retention pond

1771
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:25,440
because of
health and safety reasons

1772
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:29,679
because retention pond
obviously

1773
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:33,760
you'll have a lot of
insects mosquitoes which comes along

1774
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:38,400
with that and which is which is there
right at the edge of my backyard so that

1775
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:44,960
is one concern and other thing is like
the privacy so as you see this road

1776
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:48,320
and building one and building three
they have a direct view and there is no

1777
02:14:46,719 --> 02:14:51,840
absolutely no screen
uh towards our backyard

1778
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:59,679
so
that is the another major concern i have

1779
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:03,199
i have two sons who plays soccer
uh most of the times they practice at

1780
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:08,079
the backyard along with other
neighboring kids having a retention pond

1781
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:11,920
their
we have that safety concerns as i uh

1782
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:16,480
already mentioned
uh and also

1783
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:20,079
uh the privacy like
the building three and building one so

1784
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:24,239
even though there is a burn across the
other side but where it is exactly

1785
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:28,320
needed right when you see this road
the traffic coming there

1786
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:32,239
that is the way actually you need to
have

1787
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:35,679
if you if you need to have any screening
that's where it should be there

1788
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:37,840
but as you can see there is no springing
there

1789
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:42,159
and that is
the concern what i have

1790
02:15:39,679 --> 02:15:45,280
so basically we are compromised on our
privacy

1791
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:49,040
and health and safety issues because of
retention pond

1792
02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:53,440
so that's all the things i wanted to say
and i agree with my neighbors

1793
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:57,199
that to keep it consistent the berm
should be extended all the way across

1794
02:15:55,920 --> 02:16:01,199
if not
this plant should be rejected thank you

1795
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:08,650
all right i'm gonna struggle here
i think it's penmanship issues though

1796
02:16:06,480 --> 02:16:15,000
but um maybe
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1797
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:15,000
palm trees yeah

1798
02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:30,639
hello everyone my name

1799
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:36,319
five one five grand is
at means foreign

1800
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:41,280
i've spoken several certain times before
and the board of uh the previous coming

1801
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:45,679
to equal where they were they struck me
off saying that traffic isn't their

1802
02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:49,599
concern and i have to deal with butler
and warren counties but that has that

1803
02:16:47,760 --> 02:16:54,639
has been my concern all the way because
i'm a working mom and in the mornings we

1804
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:59,599
already have four traffic lights in 0.9
months and we are introducing almost 290

1805
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:03,679
some apartments
which will i think approximately

1806
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:09,359
increase the number of cars to at least
500 because every household is two cars

1807
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:13,200
at least um that's that has been my
concern i know there have been some

1808
02:17:11,519 --> 02:17:16,319
traffic studies that mr silverman has
provided

1809
02:17:14,399 --> 02:17:20,160
but they've been only looking at
taylor's law

1810
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:24,960
with the roundabout we already have
so much of traffic on glenstone bay and

1811
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:29,359
with covet i don't know how valid this
traffic stories are honestly um and

1812
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:34,080
nobody is actually looking at um
sunny drive and glenstone for any of the

1813
02:17:32,399 --> 02:17:36,960
traffic studies so that's like the sad
point

1814
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:42,240
um one other thing that i was really
really worried about is definitely the

1815
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:48,479
pond there um
i'm not hit but i want everybody to be

1816
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:54,000
the same way i am especially in one
glenstone way where everybody is as safe

1817
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:57,760
because my kids do run with the pond um
so

1818
02:17:54,840 --> 02:18:01,760
please extend the bill
all the way through that's all we are

1819
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:07,519
asking for and please try to reduce the
density all working moms will definitely

1820
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:11,280
definitely correlate with me and they
feel the pain in the morning i don't

1821
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:17,359
know more about the dads but moms do
because it's it's a joke in the morning

1822
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:22,639
every day and 0.9 miles four traffic
lights and i actually presented several

1823
02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:27,359
studies as to how the burn to
bumper-to-bumper traffic actually

1824
02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:32,559
increases accidents and i actually
propose i actually showed the studies

1825
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:36,160
where i think the accidents went up like
at least

1826
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:42,639
23 percent if not more
in since 2016 since when people have

1827
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:46,960
started dwelling more and more into our
communities

1828
02:18:44,479 --> 02:18:51,840
so please consider both of them please
think about the density and how many

1829
02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:56,800
people you're introducing
say that empty nesters um in fact when i

1830
02:18:54,719 --> 02:19:00,559
when i said that there were at least 500
cars i was cut shot saying oh no they

1831
02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:04,399
walk
and i'm like seriously there's no

1832
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:10,399
companies
in a vicinity of 0.6 months

1833
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:14,719
around that dwelling so you expect
everybody to jog or walk to work in the

1834
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:17,760
mornings and they're not driving and so
they're not increasing the traffic

1835
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:22,559
because that's the answer i got
so please think about it and please

1836
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:29,240
please extend the boom thank you
thank you

1837
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:29,240
the next person is kashore kalikiri

1838
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:49,840
mess in ohio

1839
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:56,240
it feels like the same thing we are
saying over and over again um

1840
02:19:54,080 --> 02:20:00,800
the reason we are doing that is because
with the last meeting we had

1841
02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:03,840
um they kind of got confused the
builders that is that we were all over

1842
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:07,520
the place
so

1843
02:20:04,800 --> 02:20:12,560
we wanna i wanna say again that
i reject this proposal without any

1844
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:17,280
modifications as is i won't reject
um

1845
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:21,280
they have been really hell bent on um
that

1846
02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:24,960
the retention pond there and one of the
main reasons is

1847
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:28,479
because of what the one of their own
said

1848
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:32,160
without sacrificing the major portion of
the plan

1849
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:35,600
we cannot move the retention point and
that's the reason they don't want to

1850
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:39,680
admit it maybe it was slip of tongue
that

1851
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:45,359
the the pawn specialist spoke that's in
his own words all we are asking for is

1852
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:49,920
more modern detergent which means um at
the cost of sacrificing building one

1853
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:53,439
which they don't want to and i think
my friends have already said given

1854
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:57,200
enough examples and slides that i don't
want to get into that

1855
02:20:54,880 --> 02:21:02,240
um the other part is um in the last
seven years um

1856
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:07,840
in western one investigation one in uh
mason two toddlers have died

1857
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:11,920
in the neighborhood uh swimming pools or
the ponds um not swimming pools actually

1858
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:15,439
i correct honestly uncorrected retention
ponds two of them died one just a mile

1859
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:21,280
and a half
during kobe time uh up on snyder road

1860
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:24,319
so that happened so i and i have a six
year old

1861
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:27,840
right at that age prime and
i've been friends with those panialas

1862
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:32,080
and the other people and that's where my
son runs every every evening can i go

1863
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:36,319
there and play can i go there and play
and i always drop him off and come back

1864
02:21:34,240 --> 02:21:40,640
and pick him up i can't do that anymore
my wife would kill me that means all of

1865
02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:44,640
my evenings are sacrificed you know i
myself am a part-time realtor and one of

1866
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:48,120
the other things they said oh my god i
can't find the place

1867
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:53,760
kishore call me
513-666-1259 i will find a place for you

1868
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:58,080
and i will do a damn good job thank you
sir were you sworn into yes i was thank

1869
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:58,080
you

1870
02:22:01,359 --> 02:22:05,160
delete burelli

1871
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:27,120
my name is uh deliberately 6587
glenstone way mason ohio four five zero

1872
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:31,280
four zero and that makes one
so um

1873
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:35,520
first you know it's been a long hearing
and uh i thank you all for your patience

1874
02:22:33,680 --> 02:22:40,000
particularly the staff
and

1875
02:22:37,600 --> 02:22:40,000
when i

1876
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:45,439
was i lived in philadelphia
and i

1877
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:50,080
was looking to live where i could live
in the country

1878
02:22:46,880 --> 02:22:55,200
okay that's not like philadelphia
i interviewed i'm i'm a physician

1879
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:59,439
uh god's grace i have the ability to
find a job where i want

1880
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:05,200
i went out looking all across the
country and then i said you know what

1881
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:09,120
i'm going to find columbia misery which
is in

1882
02:23:06,479 --> 02:23:13,280
a small town we lived there and then we
thought maybe it's too small

1883
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:15,040
so it kind of like wanted us a field
that's not

1884
02:23:14,319 --> 02:23:21,840
like
a city like a big city but something

1885
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:21,840
that where i can raise my kids

1886
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:29,600
driving on believe me
we were literally driving all the way to

1887
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:33,280
florida to for to to
look at a practice

1888
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:36,800
i stopped by here
at the exit

1889
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:39,439
and then we researched the place looking
then we found out we saw we have some

1890
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:43,120
friends here
wow

1891
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:47,200
and then that made us extend the stay we
liked the place after interviewing then

1892
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:50,560
i said you know what
maybe this is the place

1893
02:23:48,880 --> 02:23:53,920
when i chose
to live in this area i did not have a

1894
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:57,840
job
i did not have a job

1895
02:23:55,920 --> 02:24:02,080
i thought you know what i'm going to
find a job if not then i'm going to

1896
02:23:59,920 --> 02:24:05,359
start a practice
what attracted me

1897
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:10,880
was the community
what attracted me is the kid-friendly

1898
02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:15,040
nature what attracted me is when i was
driving and it said mason the seventh

1899
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:21,359
best place to live
and the reasons behind being

1900
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:25,920
the kids what comes around the kids
i have two boys

1901
02:24:23,200 --> 02:24:30,319
10 and 14.
this evening

1902
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:33,520
i've heard excellent data presented
today

1903
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:37,920
selling
apartment homes

1904
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:43,040
unfortunately there is no one here to
speak for

1905
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:47,280
who wants single family homes
we all live yes we live we start an

1906
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:52,960
apartment that is what we grow into but
we come and live in single family homes

1907
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:59,520
that is where children you're looking at
the data i'm seeing data being presented

1908
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:59,520
let's reduce the number of kids

1909
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:05,600
where are we heading what direction are
we heading

1910
02:25:03,439 --> 02:25:09,359
he has shown a data that clearly says
that if you have single family homes you

1911
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:12,960
have more kids
and then if you have homes like this you

1912
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:18,640
can have we are not here to reduce the
number of kids in the community

1913
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:24,160
we have built up a great school system
that this county has that this city has

1914
02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:27,600
to make more children that ability to
live here to become more productive in

1915
02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:31,280
their life
we want to be able to do that and that

1916
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:35,359
kind of like really really hurt me
tonight that there is data being

1917
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:38,359
presented that let's not have more
children

1918
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:44,720
it really
hurts the basic roots of why we are

1919
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:49,280
trying to create communities it's not
all about money

1920
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:54,160
and tonight
last time i presented a slide he showed

1921
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:59,040
excellent data as to how this place
could be a great multi-family

1922
02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:04,000
neighborhood
honestly you know what we don't need

1923
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:08,479
that data we can just walk through
drive through the city most of the

1924
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:11,439
apartments are 80 90 full
okay

1925
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:15,040
that data is enough
to say that yes we need something

1926
02:26:14,240 --> 02:26:21,040
but
not to convert a single family home into

1927
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:24,479
something like this
you

1928
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:28,560
for some reason somehow somewhere came
up with this illusion saying that this

1929
02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:31,319
land is not suitable for single family
homes

1930
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:35,520
i
presented why

1931
02:26:33,200 --> 02:26:39,600
you drive east you drive west on
tylersville there is homes there is

1932
02:26:37,760 --> 02:26:44,560
single family homes that back onto
tylersville there is people living on

1933
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:48,960
tylersville so find another reason as to
why we should change the zoning

1934
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:52,560
not to say that this is not suitable for
single family homes let's find another

1935
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:57,600
reason let's find another reason that
makes it really worthwhile to consider

1936
02:26:55,200 --> 02:27:00,560
but not that reason
and if you drive either way on these

1937
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:06,080
homes
the prices are no less

1938
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:10,319
the price of these homes are great
they have not reduced in value they are

1939
02:27:08,319 --> 02:27:14,800
not reduced it's not you know what
something

1940
02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:19,920
what does it what makes it unsafe
one of the apartment communities that

1941
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:24,000
this developer built the grand stone
i can i could take the picture from his

1942
02:27:22,160 --> 02:27:27,280
own presentation
the living room of that apartment is

1943
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:30,680
literally within 15 feet from the
wilkins boulevard

1944
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:39,760
if if a car drives in rams into their
into the apartment it will go straight

1945
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:45,920
into their living room
so let's find another reason as to why

1946
02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:49,439
this area is not suitable for single
family i mean why why you why we want to

1947
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:55,680
change it
and i looked at this the what what comes

1948
02:27:52,160 --> 02:28:00,399
up what they wanted to do with this one
and i mentioned the word greed

1949
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:05,359
and everyone has the right to enjoy
their property

1950
02:28:02,479 --> 02:28:11,040
what you get for the property
comes with what that property can do

1951
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:14,880
so time to time we see people want to
change you know i could have a land in

1952
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:19,840
the middle of nowhere or what but i
wanted to get the most use possible so

1953
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:24,240
it gets the most economic value
it doesn't necessarily mean that that is

1954
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:29,359
good for the community or it is good for
the neighbors around and that is where

1955
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:34,640
you guys
have the ability to judge

1956
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:39,040
trying to balance what this community
what this development brings to the

1957
02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:39,040
neighborhood

1958
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:48,640
townships are in existence for a reason
and that is to create keep a character

1959
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:52,720
not just by changing the shape of the
building i you know i call this like a

1960
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:56,399
farmhouse architecture farmhouse has a
lot more you know we don't want farm

1961
02:28:54,720 --> 02:29:01,680
house but at the same time we don't want
apartments to look at look like farmers

1962
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:08,160
and say that this is hormones
so let's go back to trying to address

1963
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:11,040
some of the very specific questions that
come

1964
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:16,399
with regards to
this particular development

1965
02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:23,280
there's a lot of data that's been
presented on the previous

1966
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:25,840
and the zoning committee that heard this
obviously

1967
02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:35,200
data is something that is
i'm a physician i look at data every day

1968
02:29:32,880 --> 02:29:40,160
when some company comes and says
i want to sell this drug i tend to think

1969
02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:44,720
critically as to what kind of like i
don't just look at the conclusion i look

1970
02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:48,319
into the data what kind of patients they
chose how did they characterize the

1971
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:52,960
patients how did they differentiate the
patients

1972
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:57,840
because conclusion is always what
the company wants if i read the

1973
02:29:55,200 --> 02:30:02,160
conclusion it biases me i look at the
data and i start to criticize the data

1974
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:05,520
okay
so

1975
02:30:03,359 --> 02:30:11,359
people presented the data on how it will
influence traffic and and how it can

1976
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:15,120
influence the uh the price values and
exactly here's what is the data that you

1977
02:30:13,359 --> 02:30:19,840
know he presented
one of the paper was from 2005.

1978
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:23,840
you know how many things have happened
in the world since 2005.

1979
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:28,319
one of the other papers that he
presented on crime was from 1996

1980
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:32,240
you know how the demographics and
everything have changed now i'm not

1981
02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:36,640
saying i'm not saying the facts of but
what i'm saying is you pick the paper

1982
02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:41,439
you pick the data that you like and try
to present and make conclusions out of

1983
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:46,479
it and it is clearly i think we need
someone who will listen

1984
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:49,680
who will think to the depth of what we
are thinking through

1985
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:54,160
and
this is the time

1986
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:54,160
and if we go on

1987
02:30:54,640 --> 02:31:02,800
back in 2015
they presented this

1988
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:07,280
of doing something over there
it was a long hearing

1989
02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:12,560
and if you look at that
they said

1990
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:15,920
four things would make this not worth
one

1991
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:21,760
the intensity of the development
two they mentioned the retention pawn

1992
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:24,960
three they mentioned the easements
three of those

1993
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:30,240
and then
he came up with the plan originally i'm

1994
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:33,520
thinking what is this that someone is
trying to buy this land and i looked at

1995
02:31:32,479 --> 02:31:37,439
the price
and it's like

1996
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:43,280
4 million 4.2 million of course you know
if if someone could pay me like 250 200

1997
02:31:41,200 --> 02:31:47,200
dollars for an acre that's a great price
but it comes with the cost it comes with

1998
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:51,120
changing something it comes with asking
for something from the community okay

1999
02:31:49,359 --> 02:31:55,280
and that's exactly what's happening here
and that's exactly why

2000
02:31:52,800 --> 02:31:59,439
this land has been deemed not suitable
for single family because i'll tell you

2001
02:31:57,359 --> 02:32:04,080
what if you can put single families on
this one and they will sell in

2002
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:08,080
in a month there are developers who
walked into this saying that they will

2003
02:32:06,080 --> 02:32:13,120
build single family homes
but you know what was it no one can

2004
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:16,880
build a single family home at 250 000
dollars an acre and make money on it so

2005
02:32:15,359 --> 02:32:21,359
it's a it's a ridiculous price that
you're asking but then you're trying to

2006
02:32:19,359 --> 02:32:25,359
get that price by trying to find someone
like him who will come up bully us

2007
02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:30,479
everybody
and try to get what they want you know

2008
02:32:27,200 --> 02:32:35,040
why i call it bully because back in 15
for the very same reasons the board has

2009
02:32:33,280 --> 02:32:38,720
rejected this plan
meaning it's not apartments but they

2010
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:42,240
talked about intensity they talked about
the easement on the back they talked

2011
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:46,880
about the pond and then they said
anyone doing this should first try to

2012
02:32:45,359 --> 02:32:51,040
involve
the neighborhood community and try to

2013
02:32:48,479 --> 02:32:55,120
come up with a plan
and at some point

2014
02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:58,720
in 2015
without involvement of the neighborhood

2015
02:32:56,880 --> 02:33:03,600
plan this land
was changed to mixed use

2016
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:07,920
what kind of democracy are we talking
about

2017
02:33:05,120 --> 02:33:10,240
if we didn't have an issue before that
said

2018
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:15,359
please do this when the board of
trustees have said this is a specific

2019
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:18,640
concern do this in spite of that
that did not happen

2020
02:33:17,200 --> 02:33:22,479
behind the doors
in the closed doors they made a change

2021
02:33:20,560 --> 02:33:27,200
to this neighborhood and called it this
will be mixed use

2022
02:33:25,439 --> 02:33:33,040
and here we are
that there is a plan in our in front of

2023
02:33:29,439 --> 02:33:36,399
us that's exactly the same with the same
concerns like it was before

2024
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:42,160
i said when i met him once i told him
you know what

2025
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:45,600
there are you know we really want to
make this work

2026
02:33:43,439 --> 02:33:50,720
there are some technical issues that we
probably won't agree with but you know

2027
02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:54,880
what we are just residents over there
there are some concerns that i have as a

2028
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:57,760
citizen of the township and there are
some concerns that i have as a

2029
02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:01,120
neighborhood
as a citizen

2030
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:05,359
i'm going to leave that to you
i'm going to because you guys have i

2031
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:10,319
would trust that you have the best
vision for the township

2032
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:15,120
i would trust that you would have
the ability to think critically to

2033
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:18,319
balance between what the developer wants
what the owner wants and what we can

2034
02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:21,680
give them
i'll leave that to you

2035
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:25,760
but my idea
of a mixed unit development

2036
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:29,840
is something like this
mixed unit developments came up with the

2037
02:34:28,080 --> 02:34:33,040
idea most municipalities have started
using mixed unit developments in the

2038
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:37,280
last 10 years
and then if they came up with something

2039
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:41,760
like that as you all know to create some
kind of like a flexibility in the plan

2040
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:46,960
that you could do that something comes
up in the neighborhood that gives to the

2041
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:50,880
community that takes from the community
it could be used to revitalize some

2042
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:56,080
communities where
maybe something could be done better to

2043
02:34:53,520 --> 02:35:00,479
improve the lives of people around it
not just for people within that and that

2044
02:34:58,479 --> 02:35:04,399
is the reason why mixed-use communities
came up

2045
02:35:01,840 --> 02:35:10,160
it also came up with the idea to let's
improve more walkability to amenities

2046
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:16,319
including work
where is a word here that someone can go

2047
02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:21,040
to walk without a car
do you feel one we agree you come on

2048
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:24,479
this side you walk
you have so many restaurants there

2049
02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:27,920
typically
what you have and my our our

2050
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:31,840
neighborhood already walks there's a
yogurt place there's a drug mod

2051
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:35,280
and that's it
there's a couple restaurants

2052
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:40,800
that's not going to be a good reason to
say that this is a mixed unit never good

2053
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:44,720
leave alone the fact that what does this
give to the community around it i mean

2054
02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:47,840
you better put we don't even know what's
coming up there

2055
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:51,359
in those three or three commercial
spaces

2056
02:35:48,880 --> 02:35:57,200
so i'm going to leave that to
your expertise to decide on all of that

2057
02:35:54,080 --> 02:36:00,640
but i'm going to focus on the specifics
that concern to me as a resident of that

2058
02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:02,880
neighborhood
okay

2059
02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:09,280
that is
density

2060
02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:14,080
density and density
that is the core problem of why they are

2061
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:18,880
not able to move that pawn why they are
not able to increase that burn and it is

2062
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:22,640
all around density
if this vent project went and said hey

2063
02:36:21,359 --> 02:36:26,720
you know what
i want this as a multi-family

2064
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:33,120
development or eight done we would all
be fine eight units per acre done

2065
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:38,160
in the disguise of a pud they want to
get more units out of it

2066
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:43,120
how is this how is this fair that in in
right into your face they are trying to

2067
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:47,840
kind of like come in a disguise cheat
and say that this is what it is

2068
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:51,920
please please don't let this happen
okay and

2069
02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:56,160
the numbers that are presented i've i've
uh i let another speaker

2070
02:36:54,640 --> 02:37:00,640
speak for that
who's done extensive research on the

2071
02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:05,600
number of units in each of these
developments across the townfield town

2072
02:37:03,760 --> 02:37:09,280
across the deerfield township
and

2073
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:14,319
how this relates to that this is an
extremely more dense and

2074
02:37:11,920 --> 02:37:18,080
i mean i'm just curious as to the three
most this will be the third most dense

2075
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:22,560
and all of those three will come from
the same developer no other developer

2076
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:27,920
was able to get some such a density this
is the same developer who will get the

2077
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,920
third most density

2078
02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:35,040
why and how
how is that possible

2079
02:37:32,800 --> 02:37:39,920
okay and
going to the specifics

2080
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:42,000
going to the specifics of the plan
okay

2081
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:47,120
the pond
is a concern the pond is a concern to

2082
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:51,600
say that we can't move the pawn and this
is what i even this even the zoning mode

2083
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:55,920
mentioned has this so here's the
conversation

2084
02:37:53,359 --> 02:38:01,359
do we have to have a pawn
okay gentleman came up to speak

2085
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:06,399
the pond is not a hole we know it's not
a hole please give some respect

2086
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:09,280
we are talking if the pawn has to be
there

2087
02:38:07,200 --> 02:38:14,319
sight size shape
surface and location has to be decided

2088
02:38:12,240 --> 02:38:18,319
by the engineers
it's not a retention pond is an

2089
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:22,399
engineered pond that means the engineer
can drive it depending on where it ought

2090
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:26,160
to be placed
i had a small piece of land that i went

2091
02:38:24,399 --> 02:38:30,319
to mason city
on three acres of kingsmill and i said

2092
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:35,120
you know what let's do this plan
okay you know how many times we moved

2093
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:38,000
that pawn uh the retention point on that
on that property

2094
02:38:38,720 --> 02:38:44,720
ultimately duke energy came back and
said no you can't put a pawn right next

2095
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:49,040
to my okay we moved it again it's the
engineer's challenge it's not impossible

2096
02:38:47,040 --> 02:38:52,800
it's a challenge there are people
putting

2097
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:57,920
retention points under parking lots
there's not so you have a will to do it

2098
02:38:55,680 --> 02:39:01,200
you have a way to do it
okay

2099
02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:06,880
in this one in this particular we had
two issues one is that burn there and

2100
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:11,280
then how that burn is not extending onto
the building nine okay

2101
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:15,200
that gentleman that who bought that home
he bought that home as part of this

2102
02:39:13,040 --> 02:39:19,680
recently he had no idea what was coming
there and you have like big apartments

2103
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:25,680
sitting there right in front sir
i'm gonna respectfully cut you off

2104
02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:29,600
i i just have one i just have one more
minute okay please

2105
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:33,280
please this is this is the tenth time we
are coming in here

2106
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:36,399
i understand please just take one more
minute

2107
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:39,680
so
the

2108
02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:44,479
that's that's we can move that pawn
anywhere so with all respect to john

2109
02:39:41,920 --> 02:39:48,080
from bearbecker he is well respected he
knows the truth and that's why he said

2110
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:53,040
yes and
off note i want to mention i had a

2111
02:39:49,920 --> 02:39:57,120
conversation with him and i begged him
i told him

2112
02:39:54,399 --> 02:40:02,000
this could be the major issue if you can
please work on that one i think we are

2113
02:39:59,840 --> 02:40:07,040
just willing to ignore and give up on
anything else

2114
02:40:03,680 --> 02:40:12,160
no sensitivity to the issue came back
with the same proposal same plan

2115
02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:16,560
okay so please
i'm just trying to highlight all the

2116
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:21,520
discrepancies in this okay but that's
mostly to for you to decide because i

2117
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:26,640
think there's no better judge than uh
and then knowledge person with regards

2118
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:31,359
to this than you but that pond
has to move out there is a way

2119
02:40:29,200 --> 02:40:35,120
and we can do it if we want to come up
with ideas we will give ideas but we can

2120
02:40:33,279 --> 02:40:37,600
do it thank you very much
thank you

2121
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:42,680
all right next up is cerini karen

2122
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:56,600
um

2123
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:08,760
i'm sorry other side

2124
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:34,399
uh
i'll just pull this to the right or

2125
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:34,399
something

2126
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:09,840
good evening
my name is srini karanam i live on 6578

2127
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:12,640
glamstone awareness and ohio i've been
swan and

2128
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:16,479
but
there are a couple of points that i want

2129
02:42:14,319 --> 02:42:20,720
to highlight
from the staff memo

2130
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:26,720
probably y'all have seen
the types of staff my mom

2131
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:32,080
so if you turn to page nine
there is a mention about the density

2132
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:35,840
and several speakers thought about the
density

2133
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:38,640
but i want to just highlight
a couple of things

2134
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:46,840
that doesn't look right the way the
density was calculated

2135
02:42:44,240 --> 02:42:52,720
um the total site area is
17.58 acres

2136
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:57,439
so out of 17.58
14.7

2137
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:03,200
is used for the residential of the multi
family and the remaining 2.8 acres for

2138
02:43:00,479 --> 02:43:03,200
the commercial

2139
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:10,880
and
for the whole development is the

2140
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:14,479
developer is building 196 units
so that way

2141
02:43:12,319 --> 02:43:19,279
as a layman the way the density i look
at it is

2142
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:25,279
take the number of units which is 196
and take the accuracy which is 14.7

2143
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:30,960
then 196 divided by
14.7

2144
02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:30,960
that gives to 13.3

2145
02:43:31,520 --> 02:43:38,080
but in his calculation i think all these
calculations are occurred with the

2146
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:44,319
developer but for the developer
he took the whole

2147
02:43:39,960 --> 02:43:51,600
17.5 acres for computing the density
that's the reason he got 11.14

2148
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:57,120
because he totals 17 acres
but if you take only 40 acres the

2149
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:57,120
density is 13.3

2150
02:43:57,279 --> 02:44:03,279
so the intensity capital is completely
wrong the way he presented

2151
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:09,680
is trying to bring down the number so
that it looks good on the paper

2152
02:44:06,240 --> 02:44:13,279
same thing with the net density
so net densities basically take 14.7

2153
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:19,040
acres
take out 30 percent of the land

2154
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:27,840
which is 9.56 acres
and then take 196x divided by 9.56

2155
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:32,040
which comes to 20.5
and whereas this number is 17.15

2156
02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:39,359
so if it's a twenty point one five
twenty point five

2157
02:44:36,080 --> 02:44:44,240
that should trigger automatic denial
for the whole proposal

2158
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:48,080
because based on the comprehensive plan
the maximum the developer can have is

2159
02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:52,000
only 20
units per acre

2160
02:44:50,319 --> 02:44:54,560
and it can vary from eight to twenty
that's how it says

2161
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:58,319
but you'll
take the highest number so it can be

2162
02:44:56,080 --> 02:45:02,000
eight it could be twenty but even like
you have been talked about even if you

2163
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:05,520
take 20 it still is more than 20 it's
20.5

2164
02:45:03,840 --> 02:45:09,359
so as is
the density is really really high

2165
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:20,080
there is another slide on page
11 and the staff member

2166
02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:24,160
so here there is a comparison
of all the

2167
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:27,279
developments done in the last
10 years

2168
02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:30,479
they're not totally used
if you look at these numbers

2169
02:45:30,640 --> 02:45:38,000
so if you if we take the first half
they were all done

2170
02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:42,720
probably 70 maybe 10 years ago
we look at the densities

2171
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:47,040
the first one hundreds
it's a the grass is four and net is five

2172
02:45:45,279 --> 02:45:50,240
point nine nine
next one is six point eight seven for

2173
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:54,479
eleven point two seven if liquidus
number they're really small they're all

2174
02:45:52,640 --> 02:46:00,319
less than ten
but if you look at the second half

2175
02:45:57,600 --> 02:46:03,359
so and some of these are actually living
so if you look at

2176
02:46:01,439 --> 02:46:09,120
the americas
with the density 31.89

2177
02:46:06,240 --> 02:46:14,080
so comparing assistant living with the
apartments is now is not

2178
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:17,840
like comparing apples with oranges
it's not a true comparison

2179
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:20,880
because i still live in saddam if
they're done like a hotel it's just like

2180
02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:25,040
one room
but there

2181
02:46:22,840 --> 02:46:29,439
is said living
with the multi-family document

2182
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:33,760
and if you look at the next one which is
the grand stone

2183
02:46:31,200 --> 02:46:37,439
he said it's a three-story
building they said

2184
02:46:35,600 --> 02:46:42,319
order is 32 but you should say three
story run is surrounded by commercial

2185
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:45,920
they don't know how there are no single
company homes about operating against

2186
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:51,520
the property
there's nothing right next floor

2187
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:58,479
surround surrounded by commercial
and the next one is the the latitude

2188
02:46:54,800 --> 02:46:58,479
which is actually a four story

2189
02:46:58,800 --> 02:47:02,640
and there are a bunch of registered
living

2190
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:10,080
and for this proposed development is
11.14 and 17.15

2191
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:15,520
and it's a two-story
so there are no other two-story

2192
02:47:12,479 --> 02:47:19,920
developments within tirified mason area
with this kind of density

2193
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:25,359
this will be if it is approved this will
be the highest dense ever

2194
02:47:22,240 --> 02:47:25,359
in the default ownership

2195
02:47:27,200 --> 02:47:31,680
so please please reduce the density is
too high

2196
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:38,720
and i just i want to point out some
demographics

2197
02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:42,240
uh we all live in mason some of them
live in mexico and deerfield

2198
02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:45,840
and uh
it's a peaceful animation they're so

2199
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:49,120
intermingled
so we don't even know whether you are

2200
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:52,640
amazing or different when you are
driving down you aren't measuring your

2201
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:57,600
individual medicine
but for us for most of the time it looks

2202
02:47:55,040 --> 02:48:01,200
very similar masonry is very similar but
if you look at closely

2203
02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:05,359
they are not
you look at the city of mason

2204
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:10,640
17 square miles
it has a population of 30 31

2205
02:48:08,399 --> 02:48:14,399
39 people
and for the deer field it's a 16 square

2206
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:19,760
miles
the population of 38

2207
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:23,680
217.
if you look at the density

2208
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:29,279
mason city has
1724

2209
02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:32,240
people per square mile
whereas

2210
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:35,640
built with township
has 2388

2211
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:45,920
so deal field is
38.5 almost 40 percent more

2212
02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:49,200
dense than medicine
so when i looked at these numbers it

2213
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:55,040
didn't make sense to me because medicine
is a city and israel is a township

2214
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:58,000
being in a township we need to preserve
the small town

2215
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:07,920
is supposed to be
like a countryside living

2216
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:12,000
more green spaces
more bigger bigger package that's how it

2217
02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:15,600
should be
but the way

2218
02:49:13,279 --> 02:49:20,000
we are moving we are moving
in the wrong direction so

2219
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:23,200
why mason city why we are more than than
medicine

2220
02:49:21,600 --> 02:49:28,160
is because
there are more i will show you there's

2221
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:28,160
another slide

2222
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:34,720
just by adding but generally if you take
this kind of proposal

2223
02:49:32,240 --> 02:49:37,840
so it's proposing 196 units
and if you take two

2224
02:49:36,399 --> 02:49:41,160
people
uh two persons in an apartment so we're

2225
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:45,680
adding
392 people just with this development

2226
02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:50,040
alone
so that will make

2227
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:53,040
deerfield
39.97

2228
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:58,800
more dense
the meson this this development just

2229
02:49:55,520 --> 02:50:01,600
this alone will add 1.5 percent
to the density

2230
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:09,040
so we need to cut down the density
so if we cut down the density

2231
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:13,840
that will solve all the problems we can
achieve the burn

2232
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:18,399
if you take out the buildings 109
that will take out 20

2233
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:22,640
for i think each one is 11 years it will
be back at 20 minutes

2234
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:28,080
then that will bring down the density to
decent levels like 11 i think 11 inch

2235
02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:32,080
per acre if you do the math right
so if you cut off the density if you

2236
02:50:29,760 --> 02:50:37,439
take out building 109
then that will provide enough room

2237
02:50:34,479 --> 02:50:41,520
to accept the bomb all the way
and move the pawn

2238
02:50:39,200 --> 02:50:46,479
to the south of the
after the lot

2239
02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:51,200
and also the same kind of burn
uh along the town bearing

2240
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:55,439
that should take on all the problems if
you if you can cut out the undead stream

2241
02:50:56,399 --> 02:51:01,680
and the developer has been saying this
about the developer has been saying that

2242
02:50:59,840 --> 02:51:06,560
we cannot move upon technically it has
to be there

2243
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:10,000
but look at the proposal back in 2014
there was another developer

2244
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:13,920
came up with a
similar kind of proposal

2245
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:18,560
see we had a party
it's not in the corner

2246
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:21,840
it's right in the middle
so

2247
02:51:19,840 --> 02:51:24,880
if it is not possible if the topography
is such a way that it hasn't been the

2248
02:51:23,840 --> 02:51:29,920
corner
how can the other developer could do

2249
02:51:27,439 --> 02:51:34,960
with the pond in the middle of the
middle of that lot

2250
02:51:32,080 --> 02:51:38,560
and even this feminist our engineer
he generally said if the pond can be

2251
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:42,240
moved anywhere this engineered part is
not a natural pond it's engineered

2252
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:45,359
you're going to dig it up
while doing this development there's a

2253
02:51:43,840 --> 02:51:48,880
lot of that moving around so you can
just put it anywhere you want

2254
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:51,200
the only reason they don't want to move
it

2255
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:53,760
just because they are going to lose the
building

2256
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:56,880
it's just the economic reason that
nothing's technical nothing engineering

2257
02:51:55,920 --> 02:51:59,520
challenge
is just they don't want to lose the

2258
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:02,479
building
that's the bottom line

2259
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:10,080
so this is our request
so please

2260
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:17,760
extend the bend
continuous all the way across

2261
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:17,760
nine feet bent plus foot fence minimum

2262
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:24,880
and the second brings reduce the density
by eliminating buildings one on nine

2263
02:52:24,960 --> 02:52:29,040
so but those two are kind of regulated
if you take a

2264
02:52:36,399 --> 02:52:41,609
all right next person up is
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2265
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:50,600
you got it
okay

2266
02:53:04,000 --> 02:53:07,000
yes

2267
02:53:28,319 --> 02:53:38,120
hello um my name is patna khan city i'm
arrested in downhill 6493 gladstone lake

2268
02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:38,120
um

2269
02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:45,359
i just moved maybe like three or four
months ago from cherry group community

2270
02:53:43,040 --> 02:53:49,279
which is one of the best communities to
live in mason

2271
02:53:46,800 --> 02:53:53,520
um and i choose to move towards one
because i know it is a

2272
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:58,720
one of the best communities to raise my
kids i am online strongly and this

2273
02:53:56,319 --> 02:54:02,319
development is directly impacting my
decision to move for my kids

2274
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:06,560
um
there are a lot of things that were said

2275
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:11,359
um by my friends and you know all the
people here but i really want to bring

2276
02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:16,880
your attention to some of the deviations
that this plan has that somehow has been

2277
02:54:14,080 --> 02:54:20,880
overlooked um to approve this by the
zoning committee

2278
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:27,520
um the first deviation is the mixed-use
density there's so much density numbers

2279
02:54:24,080 --> 02:54:30,880
that 17 density uh du uh per dwelling
units per acre

2280
02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:35,920
it's it's it's probably wrong with the
changes that they made but it's still

2281
02:54:32,800 --> 02:54:40,319
not eight volume units per acreage as
for the um

2282
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:45,359
zoning resolution document if you see
the b under mixed views uh if you see

2283
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:50,720
the section b the maximum residential
density is eight volume units for april

2284
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:56,160
and that has been completely overlooked
i would like you to seriously take into

2285
02:54:53,120 --> 02:55:02,880
that uh consideration please uh the next
one is as for the comprehensive plan

2286
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:09,439
page 41 existing context it clearly
states that a mixed use characteristic

2287
02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:14,720
of a mixed use is it has to incorporate
landscape buffer between the commercial

2288
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:19,200
and multi-family residential if that's
what the builder wants to do and it is

2289
02:55:17,439 --> 02:55:22,880
in the writing and
you know it is

2290
02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:27,040
it is the existing context that is the
context of the mixed mixed use

2291
02:55:24,800 --> 02:55:31,600
development and that has been completely
ignored there is no buffering

2292
02:55:29,760 --> 02:55:36,399
within the bud like there is no
buffering that is where it is supposed

2293
02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:40,960
to be um between the
apartments and the commercial as for the

2294
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:44,479
recommendation of
the comprehensive plan that has been

2295
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:47,840
completely overlooked
um

2296
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:52,640
i'll go straight to the commercial
development when it comes to density you

2297
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:55,840
know although
the planning you know

2298
02:55:54,399 --> 02:55:59,600
even
all the numbers they are taking into

2299
02:55:57,520 --> 02:56:04,399
consideration the whole lot that
includes the commercial area right

2300
02:56:02,399 --> 02:56:09,359
but when it when we are talking about
the parking and all of that you know

2301
02:56:07,600 --> 02:56:13,439
they did address the residential because
we did raise that question last time

2302
02:56:11,439 --> 02:56:16,720
they were short and then they
they did something and they changed the

2303
02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:22,399
plan and they
came to two parking lots as per the

2304
02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:26,560
recommendation by um zoning resolution
but the commercial development it is

2305
02:56:24,399 --> 02:56:32,240
still not at risk i don't know why that
that is not being even talked about but

2306
02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:35,520
if you calculate if i do the math right
this has been

2307
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:39,120
even presented in the uh
other meetings but you should do the

2308
02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:45,920
math um
with the approved uh uh

2309
02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:50,399
businesses that might come into those um
even mr silverman said it could be a

2310
02:56:47,840 --> 02:56:55,680
restaurant or a healthcare facility
healthcare facility actually needs 300

2311
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:59,920
parking spaces okay and i was
conservative and i took

2312
02:56:57,680 --> 02:57:04,800
one parking space for
200 square feet of the commercial

2313
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:10,720
development they are
at 85 provided right now and they are

2314
02:57:07,359 --> 02:57:16,000
short of 35 i am not sure where they
plan to do that and are we going to

2315
02:57:13,279 --> 02:57:21,359
allow uh developments to come in with
such a shortage of parking especially

2316
02:57:18,560 --> 02:57:25,200
when you want people to come into those
commercial facilities when you want

2317
02:57:23,279 --> 02:57:28,560
everything to be wiped there's no
parking where are the people going to go

2318
02:57:27,279 --> 02:57:33,680
nowhere they are not going to come
because they know that the the roads are

2319
02:57:31,359 --> 02:57:38,800
jam-packed there's no parking anywhere
around and i i really don't know why

2320
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:43,120
this has been just overlooked
conveniently

2321
02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:47,600
uh this is the this is the table that i
used to kind of uh uh get the data uh

2322
02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:54,479
for my um
uh for the previous slide and as i said

2323
02:57:50,720 --> 02:58:00,080
uh from the parking spaces that uh uh
that are uh given in the uh document um

2324
02:57:58,240 --> 02:58:04,880
the average comes out to be two one
parking space for 200

2325
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:10,240
um square foot
development and

2326
02:58:06,880 --> 02:58:15,760
another one is um
if i see the parking spaces okay this is

2327
02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:20,960
again from um i believe the zooming
resolution document

2328
02:58:17,800 --> 02:58:25,760
8.0.7 b landscaping screening and the
landscaping eye links in between the

2329
02:58:23,439 --> 02:58:30,960
parking spaces i don't know again this
has been completely overlooked i don't

2330
02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:37,200
see enough landscaping islands uh this
is one of the thing that um dfir

2331
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:41,520
recommends to keep that um you know even
landscaping and screening is intended to

2332
02:58:39,040 --> 02:58:44,560
soften the appearance of large uh it's
kind of parking areas you can read that

2333
02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:49,600
but
it it is recommending it it wants no

2334
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:54,319
more than 15 parking spaces shall be
located continuously in a row but if you

2335
02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:58,399
can closely look at the
parking spaces that they design and they

2336
02:58:56,319 --> 02:59:03,279
came up with that's that's completely
overlooked as well um

2337
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:08,640
we we have a density crunch again you
know my calculation is probably based on

2338
02:59:05,760 --> 02:59:13,680
a previous proposal but it is not eight
it is not a dwelling units for apric it

2339
02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:19,040
is still a free this plan is not at
eight dwelling units per acre still

2340
02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:25,279
approved commercial parking we are short
of 35 still approved landscape buffers

2341
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:31,200
within uh the pud completely ignored
still approved no um enough

2342
02:59:29,200 --> 02:59:37,200
landscaping in between the parking
spaces still approved i really want you

2343
02:59:34,399 --> 02:59:42,560
to take a closer look at all these
that are actually there in the zoning

2344
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:48,880
resolution document that's there in the
um comprehensive plan you know if if you

2345
02:59:45,439 --> 02:59:53,279
want uh somebody to build something to
the core values of deerfield they will

2346
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:58,080
have to follow all of these right that's
that's the intent of the documentation

2347
02:59:55,279 --> 03:00:00,560
that you guys work hard to prepare and
uh

2348
02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:07,200
you know again the
data that they presented as my friend uh

2349
03:00:03,760 --> 03:00:11,920
um delete mentioned and shrini
mentioned um

2350
03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:17,040
it is all based on the data that is you
know 96

2351
03:00:13,520 --> 03:00:21,600
2005 copied last one and a half year it
brought everything upside down right you

2352
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:26,240
know there's so much changes people want
single family because they don't want to

2353
03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:31,200
be in closed areas where they there may
be more exposure people are dying to buy

2354
03:00:28,800 --> 03:00:36,880
homes right now in mason single family
homes there's a huge line for people who

2355
03:00:34,479 --> 03:00:40,319
want to buy you know it's like everybody
is working from home they need more

2356
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:44,960
space they have you know there is a
chance that people kids might be doing

2357
03:00:42,399 --> 03:00:49,120
remote again you know think about if
people

2358
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:54,800
crammed in in 1200 or 1500 square foot
area no people want space they there is

2359
03:00:51,359 --> 03:01:01,040
a huge market for single family homes so
i did not understand what is the need uh

2360
03:00:58,640 --> 03:01:06,560
you know we cannot compare data from
long back we have to compare what is

2361
03:01:02,800 --> 03:01:12,960
there what is the requirement right now
that's all i have to say i see i

2362
03:01:08,560 --> 03:01:17,120
sincerely request um the trustee poor to
give a serious contribution to the

2363
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:19,120
deviations that were allowed
for this

2364
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:24,640
plan
and it was somehow approved uh thank you

2365
03:01:22,319 --> 03:01:28,359
very much
next up is a non-condo

2366
03:01:46,399 --> 03:01:52,200
do you want to map or anything up
just just

2367
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,000
here

2368
03:02:19,120 --> 03:02:25,920
um i live at six five zero england
stoneway i think swarning

2369
03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:32,080
i'm part of the hoa board for rosemont
south and uh i know a lot of our

2370
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:36,319
neighbors and colleagues have spoken
about different things you know they

2371
03:02:33,760 --> 03:02:41,359
presented a lot of data
but the core of uh

2372
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:46,640
the issue that we wanted to the hoa
board wanted to present was two items

2373
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:48,800
one is reduced density you know from the
existing

2374
03:02:48,000 --> 03:02:54,399
net
density of 17.1 to something closer to

2375
03:02:52,319 --> 03:02:59,600
11 or 10
and the second issue was

2376
03:02:56,720 --> 03:03:03,680
to maintain the consistent uh barrier
you know between the existing single

2377
03:03:01,760 --> 03:03:08,319
family homes and
uh the future development

2378
03:03:05,840 --> 03:03:12,319
and these two items are interrelated you
know when we say reduce the density it

2379
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:16,800
goes hand in hand you know why are we
worried about density you know is

2380
03:03:14,080 --> 03:03:21,600
because it ties up into our
issue of the burn not being consistent

2381
03:03:19,920 --> 03:03:24,720
okay as a hitchhike
board member

2382
03:03:22,720 --> 03:03:28,000
and representing all the
100 plus families you know that about

2383
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:33,040
the property
we are very clear and consistent you

2384
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:38,000
know all we are asking for is two things
reduce the density and

2385
03:03:35,359 --> 03:03:43,200
have a consistent barrier between the
single family homes existing single

2386
03:03:40,160 --> 03:03:46,960
family homes and future development
and mr silverman is a very good

2387
03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:51,920
salesperson and we have seen this in the
zoning board meeting where

2388
03:03:49,359 --> 03:03:55,680
his acquisition manager you know twisted
the things and you know when we were

2389
03:03:53,520 --> 03:03:58,640
very clearly saying that please move the
retention pond you know they were

2390
03:03:56,720 --> 03:04:02,160
consistently saying prediction point is
a must you know we need to have it same

2391
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:06,319
thing they were trying to do today you
know they were saying i heard mr suman

2392
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:11,120
silverman say you know there's no
difference between having a nine foot

2393
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:16,560
berm you know for most of the property
and having a six feet five seconds on

2394
03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:21,520
top of it compared to having a six feet
uh berm and eight feet

2395
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:25,200
uh privacy fence on top of it right next
to the retention pond so why don't we do

2396
03:04:24,080 --> 03:04:30,000
the same thing you know why don't you
put a 14 feet privacy fence

2397
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:33,600
why can't we do it it just doesn't make
any sense

2398
03:04:31,279 --> 03:04:39,359
and you know mr silverman say was
showing that his development you know is

2399
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:43,600
having like 250 feet of buffer between
the um

2400
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:48,479
concrete structure you know our
buildings and their concrete structures

2401
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:50,880
and he was showing how lens was only 215
feet

2402
03:04:49,279 --> 03:04:56,000
again they're twisting facts here you
know there is no retention pawn between

2403
03:04:53,120 --> 03:05:00,530
our our close bone south and villains
and same thing again you know they uh

2404
03:04:58,240 --> 03:05:03,680
said about the retention pond um
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2405
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:07,600
yeah so those were the things that i
wanted to mention and

2406
03:05:06,160 --> 03:05:10,160
we understand
that

2407
03:05:08,399 --> 03:05:15,120
the trustees you know
you have to make a decision keeping

2408
03:05:13,120 --> 03:05:19,840
the greater good of
uh the township in mind but we also want

2409
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:24,479
you to make sure that
whatever decision you make should be in

2410
03:05:22,160 --> 03:05:30,479
the best interest of our neighborhood
that is advertising the property and

2411
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:35,680
please ensure that
the nine feet berm and the six feet

2412
03:05:33,520 --> 03:05:41,040
privacy fence on top of it
goes all the way from

2413
03:05:37,359 --> 03:05:46,160
north west of the property to the south
west of uh

2414
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:51,520
north east to northwest uh you know the
whole perimeter you know and

2415
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:56,080
like our other um neighbors have
mentioned if you reduce the density all

2416
03:05:54,000 --> 03:06:01,120
we have to do is get rid of building one
and building nine and that will address

2417
03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:04,720
they burn and
like

2418
03:06:02,160 --> 03:06:08,000
the speaker before me mentioned you know
the future commercial not having enough

2419
03:06:06,319 --> 03:06:12,319
parking spaces you know you cannot you
cannot create land from thin air you

2420
03:06:10,319 --> 03:06:15,680
know tomorrow when they come back to you
and we raise the question of where is

2421
03:06:14,160 --> 03:06:18,800
the parking for commercial where are we
going to get it from

2422
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:22,479
we can address it today
by reducing the density where he'll have

2423
03:06:21,040 --> 03:06:28,600
more land you know to take care of
future issues

2424
03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:28,600
um with that i conclude thank you

2425
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:55,520
i have been sworn in my name is anne
ball i live at 6863 tylersville road i

2426
03:06:52,560 --> 03:07:01,200
am not in the community rosemont
i have been a resident of deerfield

2427
03:06:58,479 --> 03:07:06,240
township all my life
my husband and i live in my on my

2428
03:07:03,680 --> 03:07:12,560
family's farm what's left of it
in a foreign house

2429
03:07:08,640 --> 03:07:15,600
that has been there for nearly 200 years
um

2430
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:21,920
i'm going to talk about this from a
little different perspective

2431
03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:26,160
obviously i've lived here all my life
something's going to go on that piece of

2432
03:07:24,399 --> 03:07:29,760
property
it probably will be this

2433
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:35,680
development
most of you probably know that mr lawson

2434
03:07:32,720 --> 03:07:39,680
has passed away bonnie passed away
a while ago

2435
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:44,080
so the next piece of property
that belongs to them will be

2436
03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:48,080
here soon i'm sure
talking about something going there

2437
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:56,160
you have an
opportunity to

2438
03:07:53,840 --> 03:08:00,240
make tylersville something different
than what it currently is

2439
03:07:58,319 --> 03:08:04,240
and i know everybody thinks that
tylersville is a major thoroughfare

2440
03:08:02,880 --> 03:08:08,880
which it is
i live on it i have to get in and out of

2441
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:16,080
it
i have lived there all my life

2442
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:21,359
i was there in a two-lane road i didn't
used to be able to see down to the

2443
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:25,920
intersection of snyder road
or 42.

2444
03:08:23,359 --> 03:08:30,880
with all the changes that have been
happened have gone on

2445
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:35,359
we now have light that comes at our
property and i have a two-story

2446
03:08:33,680 --> 03:08:39,920
home
and

2447
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:46,880
so i'm going to say to you
when you put the new lights and that new

2448
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:46,880
load that that new

2449
03:08:47,200 --> 03:08:54,640
the new development
that's going to impact us

2450
03:08:52,000 --> 03:09:00,880
again we live there we do have farm
equipment that still comes in and out of

2451
03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:04,880
our property and we are one voice
to many others and and i'm not saying

2452
03:09:03,760 --> 03:09:08,640
the other
issues aren't an issue

2453
03:09:07,359 --> 03:09:11,760
and
what i'm going to say to you is not

2454
03:09:10,240 --> 03:09:15,120
going to change it but i want you to
think about this

2455
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:21,439
we have to get in and out of our
property sometimes there's accidents and

2456
03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:24,560
we can't get in and out of our driveway
so

2457
03:09:22,399 --> 03:09:29,040
there's going to be another light
the timing of that light with the timing

2458
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:33,840
of the light that's at butler warren and
tylersville and then the timing of the

2459
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:37,120
light that's down at snyder will impact
us

2460
03:09:34,560 --> 03:09:42,560
so i'm going to say make decision what
you're going to do but realize that

2461
03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:48,479
another 200 cars or whatever doesn't
seem much because you don't live there

2462
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:53,840
and there could be more with with
whatever but

2463
03:09:50,880 --> 03:10:00,000
that timing does impact somebody
that light impacts somebody the other

2464
03:09:56,160 --> 03:10:05,760
thing is that commercial will impact us
and it bothers me that it's a different

2465
03:10:02,880 --> 03:10:10,800
paradigm then that's why you can't talk
about what's going to be there and the

2466
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:16,720
decision after you okay this commercial
is going to be in phase two i've lived a

2467
03:10:13,439 --> 03:10:20,720
pod the pud across the road from us it
was all supposed to be one-story

2468
03:10:18,640 --> 03:10:26,640
buildings guess what
after the pud was approved they put a

2469
03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:32,080
two-story bank down at the corner yes
that impacted us

2470
03:10:28,560 --> 03:10:37,439
it changed the line of sight that we had
that was free before and would have been

2471
03:10:35,359 --> 03:10:41,600
still free and clear
but they put a two story building down

2472
03:10:40,399 --> 03:10:47,200
there
that's going to possibly happen here

2473
03:10:44,239 --> 03:10:52,800
depending on what the use is i'm sorry
not having a plan with what's going that

2474
03:10:50,720 --> 03:10:58,000
commercial is going to look like
you have a better plan an idea what's

2475
03:10:56,000 --> 03:11:03,840
going to be there if there's interest in
it already there already has to be some

2476
03:11:01,520 --> 03:11:08,399
ability to say what those buildings are
going to be and what and i understand in

2477
03:11:07,200 --> 03:11:13,200
previous
meetings that they're going to be one

2478
03:11:10,080 --> 03:11:17,359
story i don't feel comfortable that once
you approve this that phase two

2479
03:11:15,279 --> 03:11:22,800
something's not going to change it oh we
want to put such and such there and it's

2480
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:29,600
going to be a two-story building
and the lighting

2481
03:11:24,640 --> 03:11:32,960
it does impact us it has changed i mean
we can see

2482
03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:38,160
the the
the lighting for the signs that you know

2483
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:44,239
change it's not just a light with a you
know a sign whatever down at snyder road

2484
03:11:41,520 --> 03:11:48,160
we can see that at night
so

2485
03:11:45,680 --> 03:11:53,920
you have an opportunity
with what you allow to be there and

2486
03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:59,840
what's going to come next
and i have to say the neighborhood

2487
03:11:57,439 --> 03:12:04,479
the pd that's across from us the
neighborhood that was behind them they

2488
03:12:02,239 --> 03:12:08,960
fought it because there was going to be
a 24 hour there was going to be a

2489
03:12:06,640 --> 03:12:11,760
restaurant and a bar there
that

2490
03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:16,399
that residential community didn't want
that because they didn't want 24

2491
03:12:14,960 --> 03:12:21,200
you know our
um you know in

2492
03:12:18,560 --> 03:12:26,080
traffic and all of that luckily that's
the one thing about that pud it's a type

2493
03:12:23,840 --> 03:12:26,080
of

2494
03:12:26,160 --> 03:12:33,680
offices that people are there like eight
to five whatever

2495
03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:39,200
who knows it's just more but you've got
the opportunity to change the impact and

2496
03:12:36,880 --> 03:12:43,600
make tylersville road
look

2497
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:48,880
not like colerain avenue and i know
that most people think it already does

2498
03:12:46,560 --> 03:12:55,279
but you can change it
you can change it and i understand all

2499
03:12:51,600 --> 03:12:59,760
the things that the the rosemont
residents are saying and i would be

2500
03:12:57,600 --> 03:13:04,160
upset with that myself
something will go there

2501
03:13:01,520 --> 03:13:09,279
and when you own a piece of property you
do have the right to sell it

2502
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:13,600
believe me i wish that i could say that
my property will never be something else

2503
03:13:12,640 --> 03:13:20,560
but
progress is on toll is this what it's

2504
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:25,680
what it is i wish it was what it was 60
years ago when it was farm and my

2505
03:13:23,120 --> 03:13:31,760
nearest neighbor was
where the lawson's property was and that

2506
03:13:29,200 --> 03:13:35,920
actually was my grandmother's family's
property at one time but it's going to

2507
03:13:34,479 --> 03:13:39,040
change
and

2508
03:13:36,960 --> 03:13:43,279
i appreciate your time
and

2509
03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:48,720
but just realize there is a resident on
tylersville room

2510
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:53,520
and what you do on those properties
impacts someone else too

2511
03:13:51,120 --> 03:13:57,680
thank you so much miss paul one second i
just one second if you could just walk

2512
03:13:55,040 --> 03:14:01,600
back um i just wanted you to know we do
have a new zone that we're introducing

2513
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:05,920
into our zoning code that protects
property like yours for residents who

2514
03:14:04,080 --> 03:14:10,000
feel the exact same way that you feel
and they don't want their land turned

2515
03:14:07,600 --> 03:14:13,359
into something down the road so i'll
have somebody from the township reach

2516
03:14:11,279 --> 03:14:16,720
out to you directly for some more
information about that and that gives

2517
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:20,000
you a lot more freedom to protect your
land

2518
03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:23,600
thank you for a few bucks i'll take the
land and the cows because i think your

2519
03:14:22,160 --> 03:14:28,880
property is amazing but i'll have
somebody from the township regionalities

2520
03:14:25,359 --> 03:14:33,040
i i appreciate that and actually thank
thank goodness there are things called

2521
03:14:30,800 --> 03:14:38,319
ag districts of which we're a part of
that also helps us and i'll put in a

2522
03:14:36,399 --> 03:14:43,520
little plug that's another reason that
we have to maintain cauv as well

2523
03:14:41,680 --> 03:14:50,080
so that people can maintain their
properties and have agriculture and

2524
03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:55,439
green space is not agriculture
green space is not is not what everybody

2525
03:14:53,439 --> 03:14:58,479
claims that it is
so but i do appreciate that thank you so

2526
03:14:57,600 --> 03:15:01,840
much
about that

2527
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:06,479
all right the last thing i have is just
to recall jeffrey wu from earlier i'm

2528
03:15:04,080 --> 03:15:06,479
not sure

2529
03:15:13,680 --> 03:15:17,560
thank you everyone

2530
03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:31,680
but i do want to thank you all for
coming up and speaking i know

2531
03:15:30,720 --> 03:15:35,840
it's not
always easy and it's always

2532
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:40,800
groups you're spending your entire
evening with us which is

2533
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:43,760
i'm sure there's things that would much
rather have been doing on your tuesday

2534
03:15:42,080 --> 03:15:46,840
nights or your monday nights that you
spent coming with zoning commission

2535
03:15:44,800 --> 03:15:51,040
meetings so i want to thank you very
sincerely for that

2536
03:15:48,800 --> 03:15:54,640
um if that said
would you guys like

2537
03:15:52,960 --> 03:15:58,399
the application you know and address
some of the things okay would you mind

2538
03:15:59,920 --> 03:16:04,880
thank
you

2539
03:16:02,640 --> 03:16:08,560
oh
let me just

2540
03:16:06,560 --> 03:16:12,720
what you could lift that mic up to you
yeah

2541
03:16:10,319 --> 03:16:15,720
everyone hear me okay
so

2542
03:16:16,319 --> 03:16:21,760
you know we we've embarked on this
process

2543
03:16:19,920 --> 03:16:25,359
january february is when we submit our
original plan

2544
03:16:23,359 --> 03:16:29,200
and um
you know

2545
03:16:26,800 --> 03:16:33,120
we as a developer sincerely
put our best foot forward

2546
03:16:31,200 --> 03:16:38,160
in everything that we do we have
sincerely throughout these proceedings

2547
03:16:36,960 --> 03:16:42,319
and a couple
meetings

2548
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:47,120
with rosemont south hoa outside of
formal governmental proceedings

2549
03:16:45,279 --> 03:16:51,439
have listened to
concerns

2550
03:16:48,800 --> 03:16:54,399
and had made best efforts to address
concerns

2551
03:16:52,720 --> 03:16:58,000
and there's several things that i heard
tonight

2552
03:16:55,600 --> 03:17:03,840
that i need i absolutely need to
readdress because as a developer

2553
03:17:01,520 --> 03:17:08,319
we have to stand up here and make sure
all of our eyes are dotted

2554
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:13,680
and all of our t's are crossed
and there's just some things that i

2555
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:18,399
think really need to be
reiterated and

2556
03:17:15,439 --> 03:17:21,600
driven home there's a lot
of conversation and dialogue tonight

2557
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:25,279
about the pond
the pond at the northwest corner of the

2558
03:17:24,399 --> 03:17:29,840
site
this would be a pond there's two types

2559
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:34,560
of detention dry basins and
wet basins

2560
03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:41,279
most people prefer wet basins because
it's an aesthetic amenity they look nice

2561
03:17:38,560 --> 03:17:45,520
we typically aerate our ponds so
um if you've ever noticed say for

2562
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:48,960
example the pond in front of mercy
uh medical office building on mason

2563
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:54,080
montgomery road you know we we own that
pond we put a big fountain there to keep

2564
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:56,160
the water flowing and to try to cut down
on

2565
03:17:54,800 --> 03:18:00,880
bugs and
geese and everything else

2566
03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:05,279
so
long cove is a great example i mean

2567
03:18:03,680 --> 03:18:09,680
long cove is a pretty flat piece of
ground and

2568
03:18:07,040 --> 03:18:14,319
a bunch of wet detention pond basins
became a real amenity

2569
03:18:12,319 --> 03:18:18,000
i think it's really important to
point out i was looking at google earth

2570
03:18:16,160 --> 03:18:21,680
on my phone before
i just want to make sure you're all

2571
03:18:19,359 --> 03:18:25,520
aware that there are wet detention ponds
in the rosemont south subdivision

2572
03:18:24,640 --> 03:18:29,120
um
i don't i don't think i have access to

2573
03:18:27,359 --> 03:18:32,880
google earth on this laptop or i'd show
you but if you go to google earth and

2574
03:18:31,680 --> 03:18:37,279
you look at the rosemont south
subdivision there are detention ponds

2575
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:43,040
they are wet they appear to be wet
basins so they're ponds and

2576
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:47,439
many homes back right up to these ponds
early on

2577
03:18:44,960 --> 03:18:53,120
first zoning commission meeting we heard
concerns about safety we took those

2578
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:58,399
concerns very seriously so
i just want to reiterate that

2579
03:18:55,840 --> 03:19:04,239
we have proposed
or committed to

2580
03:19:00,160 --> 03:19:09,600
a a six-foot privacy fence behind north
of the pond so to keep

2581
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:13,359
people out so people can't accidentally
stumble into the pond

2582
03:19:11,279 --> 03:19:17,040
and then and also it's it's a visual
buffer between

2583
03:19:15,279 --> 03:19:22,399
the neighbors to the north and this this
development and then if you see here

2584
03:19:18,880 --> 03:19:27,120
there's a 45 degree angle that that is
in a uh northeasterly southwesterly

2585
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:32,080
direction
that as well would be a six foot high

2586
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:37,520
privacy fence then when it gets down on
our property so heading south along our

2587
03:19:34,640 --> 03:19:42,399
western property line heading back east
south of the pond and back up this way

2588
03:19:39,520 --> 03:19:45,120
there we're proposing a a four foot high
fence it's more of the type of safety

2589
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:48,640
fence that you would see around a
swimming pool which

2590
03:19:46,960 --> 03:19:51,840
you know i think that's the whole reason
that swimming pools are fenced and we're

2591
03:19:50,000 --> 03:19:55,600
proposing the same kind of fence there
so

2592
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:58,720
in terms of safety of a detention
basin

2593
03:19:57,120 --> 03:20:03,920
i believe we've addressed that i don't
believe that the ponds in rosemont south

2594
03:20:00,800 --> 03:20:07,920
have safety fencing around them
detention ponds i mean i've been

2595
03:20:06,239 --> 03:20:11,600
doing this for quite a while now i i
mean detention ponds are

2596
03:20:10,239 --> 03:20:17,439
necessary
the reason that we have ponds is so as

2597
03:20:14,080 --> 03:20:23,040
john touched on earlier that
the the rate of storm water leaving our

2598
03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:27,359
site
post development

2599
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:32,800
is equal roughly equal to the amount
that's leaving the site

2600
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:36,080
pre-development the pond is here
for

2601
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:38,960
folks that are downstream for their
benefit

2602
03:20:37,359 --> 03:20:44,640
i mean that that's why it's there we
have to hold water in in meter

2603
03:20:42,560 --> 03:20:48,880
you know the water leaving our site
meter it in terms of just you know we

2604
03:20:46,800 --> 03:20:54,880
have to let it let it leave our site at
a certain rate i think that's i think

2605
03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:54,880
that's an important point to make

2606
03:20:55,439 --> 03:21:01,680
i'd like to explain
the berm again that we're proposing

2607
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:05,200
behind the pond because
i

2608
03:21:02,960 --> 03:21:09,840
you know i've listened to people
speak this evening

2609
03:21:06,720 --> 03:21:13,359
and i'm not sure that there's
and maybe maybe

2610
03:21:12,160 --> 03:21:18,800
it's our
fault for not explaining it well but

2611
03:21:16,479 --> 03:21:23,760
the the visual impact
and the

2612
03:21:21,200 --> 03:21:28,080
buffering that the mound provides this
berm north of the pond

2613
03:21:26,080 --> 03:21:30,800
is going to provide
the same

2614
03:21:29,279 --> 03:21:36,239
visual
buffer so here here's kind of a cross

2615
03:21:33,359 --> 03:21:41,520
section of what we call the mouth this
is the mound that traverses up most of

2616
03:21:39,680 --> 03:21:45,840
the northern property line
as mentioned earlier the mound is nine

2617
03:21:43,760 --> 03:21:50,080
feet in height at the peak
it's 70 feet wide

2618
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:56,399
and there's a six foot high privacy
fence on top so a nine foot mound plus a

2619
03:21:53,200 --> 03:22:01,600
six foot privacy fence that's 15 feet
the top of the fence is 15 feet

2620
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:05,760
from roughly from the elevation and our
northern property line

2621
03:22:03,760 --> 03:22:08,640
there's a three to one slope here on the
northern

2622
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:13,359
uh side of the mound
we're proposing

2623
03:22:10,640 --> 03:22:17,359
plantings just to visually provide some
visual screening from the from the

2624
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:22,479
privacy fence
so that's what we are calling the mount

2625
03:22:20,479 --> 03:22:25,600
then if we flip
forward a few slides

2626
03:22:24,720 --> 03:22:28,880
um
we can see

2627
03:22:27,040 --> 03:22:32,640
what we're proposing
north of the mount so i'm sorry north of

2628
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:37,520
the pond so the mound that i just showed
you the cross section of is here

2629
03:22:34,720 --> 03:22:41,920
and then it it it's it extends east west
along most of the site but when you get

2630
03:22:39,520 --> 03:22:47,359
to this last section
of the property in the northwest corner

2631
03:22:45,120 --> 03:22:51,439
we simply don't have room to do the full
amount but

2632
03:22:49,279 --> 03:22:57,040
we call it a berm it's essentially half
of a mound and and if you're standing

2633
03:22:54,399 --> 03:23:01,600
once again at our northern property line
the visual impact is with is from with

2634
03:22:59,600 --> 03:23:04,960
what we're proposing is with is within
one foot

2635
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:09,600
one foot
of what we're proposing for the mound so

2636
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:14,960
we've got a three to one slope
looks very similar to

2637
03:23:11,600 --> 03:23:14,960
the three to one slope here

2638
03:23:15,040 --> 03:23:21,600
that mount height i believe is about six
feet and then on top of that

2639
03:23:19,520 --> 03:23:26,479
we have an eight foot high privacy fence
to get to 14 feet

2640
03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:32,720
it's within approximately one foot
um and once again we're proposing to

2641
03:23:29,920 --> 03:23:38,800
provide plantings on this northern face
of this berm to provide the same kind of

2642
03:23:35,359 --> 03:23:44,160
screening so people don't have to look
at the privacy fence i think the concern

2643
03:23:41,920 --> 03:23:47,920
about light spillage from the headlights
i think

2644
03:23:45,439 --> 03:23:51,439
i i mean i don't i think john del vernon
didn't even bear becker and and i just

2645
03:23:50,080 --> 03:23:55,600
want to say bear becker's been in
business for 60 years this is a very

2646
03:23:54,319 --> 03:24:00,399
reputable
civil engineering firm

2647
03:23:58,000 --> 03:24:05,040
they're very very good at what they do
and they've provided engineering for

2648
03:24:03,680 --> 03:24:09,120
you know
developments of all different sizes all

2649
03:24:07,439 --> 03:24:13,920
throughout greater cincinnati northern
kentucky and

2650
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:15,600
indiana as well so
but

2651
03:24:14,720 --> 03:24:20,399
you know
john gave the the elevations from kind

2652
03:24:18,319 --> 03:24:24,479
of the intersection of fireside drive
and and we don't believe that light

2653
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:28,640
spillage um
is going to be any concern whatsoever

2654
03:24:26,560 --> 03:24:33,520
for the residents north of here due to
the graves due to this berm due to the

2655
03:24:31,279 --> 03:24:38,720
fence on top of the berm
um so i wanted to run through that again

2656
03:24:36,399 --> 03:24:42,239
i also um
i heard concerns about traffic tonight

2657
03:24:41,439 --> 03:24:47,279
and
i i sometimes feel like when we address

2658
03:24:44,640 --> 03:24:47,279
one issue

2659
03:24:47,680 --> 03:24:53,439
uh there's people that get up and stand
up and go back

2660
03:24:52,080 --> 03:24:56,479
to their original position in other
words we heard a lot of feedback early

2661
03:24:55,760 --> 03:24:59,520
on
in the zenith commission meetings

2662
03:24:58,080 --> 03:25:04,399
that that
the rosemont south neighbors did not

2663
03:25:02,080 --> 03:25:07,600
unequivocally did not want a connection
point

2664
03:25:05,359 --> 03:25:10,640
from this development to thornberry
court

2665
03:25:08,800 --> 03:25:14,880
here let me
let me move back

2666
03:25:12,720 --> 03:25:19,520
okay they did not want this connection
point

2667
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:19,520
they thought it would

2668
03:25:19,680 --> 03:25:25,439
cause traffic and in their subdivision
which

2669
03:25:23,279 --> 03:25:30,239
you know i think the only
time somebody visiting uh

2670
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:33,680
a store here or living here would would
drive there would be maybe if they had a

2671
03:25:32,080 --> 03:25:39,120
friend or family member that lived there
but but that was a real concern

2672
03:25:36,880 --> 03:25:45,359
and so the warren county engineers
office agreed to just allow this to be

2673
03:25:42,160 --> 03:25:50,000
emergency access only gated access that
a typical vehicle

2674
03:25:47,279 --> 03:25:53,600
is not going to be able to get from this
this side of the gate to thornbury court

2675
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:58,560
and then tonight
we hear people concern

2676
03:25:55,520 --> 03:26:01,520
that we only have one point of access
but so

2677
03:25:59,920 --> 03:26:05,840
we heard the concerns loud and clear
about this and then tonight we hear well

2678
03:26:04,080 --> 03:26:08,880
now we only have one point of access so
i mean

2679
03:26:06,880 --> 03:26:12,880
you know we're doing our best to solve
issues but but but then

2680
03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:18,800
you know
i hear a lot of kind of changing

2681
03:26:16,399 --> 03:26:21,920
people changing their positions
the same thing applies to school there

2682
03:26:20,720 --> 03:26:25,680
was a lot
there was a lot of commentary

2683
03:26:24,160 --> 03:26:29,920
from concerned neighbors about the
impacts that this would have to the

2684
03:26:27,359 --> 03:26:34,800
school district concerns about mason
schools it's getting crowded so we

2685
03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:40,560
provided facts that show
the proof that our apartment communities

2686
03:26:37,520 --> 03:26:44,720
in deerfield township are hardly adding
any strain to the schools but but adding

2687
03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:49,600
a significant amount of school
of revenue for the schools so in

2688
03:26:47,600 --> 03:26:53,680
increasing the buffer and eliminating
the town homes which are three bedroom

2689
03:26:51,279 --> 03:26:57,680
units those were the most likely to
attract maybe school-age kids um you

2690
03:26:56,080 --> 03:27:03,439
know we thought we were
solving a couple issues one providing a

2691
03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:06,399
much more robust buffer and two
getting rid of 70 bedrooms and then

2692
03:27:05,279 --> 03:27:09,279
tonight
we hear a lot about

2693
03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:13,120
well there's not going to be any kids
living here but early on at the zenith

2694
03:27:11,200 --> 03:27:16,800
commission meetings that's that's a big
part of what we heard was oh there's

2695
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:20,479
going to be all these you're adding you
know 196 units and there's going to be

2696
03:27:18,880 --> 03:27:25,200
all these kids and mason schools
requesting at the seams so i wanted to

2697
03:27:23,200 --> 03:27:28,239
point that out
um

2698
03:27:26,080 --> 03:27:31,359
i also want to make it clear i think the
board probably knows this but i just

2699
03:27:30,000 --> 03:27:34,560
want to make it clear to everybody here
tonight

2700
03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:38,960
we were not the developer
that proposed the plan back in 2014. i

2701
03:27:37,439 --> 03:27:42,560
just want to make that unequivocally
clear i don't even know who the

2702
03:27:40,479 --> 03:27:48,640
developer was and i don't really think
that plans at all germane to anything

2703
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:53,040
we're discussing tonight because in 2014
the vision for 2035 landings plan wasn't

2704
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:56,640
even adopted
it wasn't adopted in 2014 so that

2705
03:27:55,600 --> 03:28:00,319
developer
i'm not sure if there's a landing's

2706
03:27:58,080 --> 03:28:04,399
planned before that but that developer
even either went in with without any

2707
03:28:02,160 --> 03:28:08,479
kind of guide or
went in with

2708
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:12,960
you know maybe with looking at the prior
land use plan but

2709
03:28:10,479 --> 03:28:18,399
the vision for for 2035 which is the
current landings plan was not adopted

2710
03:28:15,120 --> 03:28:21,840
until 2015. as a developer we have an
appreciation for how much time effort

2711
03:28:20,880 --> 03:28:26,800
money
communities spent on their comprehensive

2712
03:28:23,680 --> 03:28:29,840
plan on their landings plan for us
that's our guide

2713
03:28:28,399 --> 03:28:34,319
i mean
staff takes it seriously developers take

2714
03:28:32,319 --> 03:28:39,840
it seriously because that is our guide
that is our roadmap

2715
03:28:36,960 --> 03:28:44,160
to to uh guide us to make sure that
we're presenting something that is

2716
03:28:41,760 --> 03:28:48,399
consistent with the township's uh
desires

2717
03:28:45,439 --> 03:28:51,040
uh vis-a-vis our land use plan
and

2718
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:56,319
there are
this plan is absolutely consistent

2719
03:28:54,319 --> 03:29:01,120
with the land use plan
i think you have an excellent staff here

2720
03:28:58,399 --> 03:29:05,040
i think the staff report
laid out many of the consistencies we

2721
03:29:03,279 --> 03:29:08,880
laid out many of the consistencies this
evening this plant has received support

2722
03:29:07,359 --> 03:29:13,600
from the warren county regional planning
commission unanimous support from the

2723
03:29:11,359 --> 03:29:17,680
deerfield township zoning commission and
every step of the way

2724
03:29:15,920 --> 03:29:20,880
every board that's reviewed this has
felt

2725
03:29:18,800 --> 03:29:25,760
strongly that this plan is in fact
consistent with the land display

2726
03:29:23,520 --> 03:29:25,760
um

2727
03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:33,680
a couple other points i'd like to make
somebody mentioned the

2728
03:29:31,359 --> 03:29:37,920
showed a graphic or a site plan of the
previous plan from 2014

2729
03:29:36,080 --> 03:29:41,600
and showed the pond
the pond

2730
03:29:39,359 --> 03:29:46,640
was at the north right on the northern
property line in the 2014 plan

2731
03:29:44,560 --> 03:29:50,080
it was moved over a little bit
but

2732
03:29:47,520 --> 03:29:54,479
generally in the same vicinity i mean it
was it was there it was maybe right here

2733
03:29:52,560 --> 03:29:58,160
instead of right here but it was right
on the northern property line it wasn't

2734
03:29:56,880 --> 03:30:02,960
down here
it was it was right up here

2735
03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:05,200
so i want to make that point
um

2736
03:30:05,359 --> 03:30:12,160
you know i just i want to correct some
factual error somebody made a comparison

2737
03:30:09,600 --> 03:30:16,479
to the grandstand which was located on
wilkins boulevard and said something to

2738
03:30:14,720 --> 03:30:23,200
the effect that cars could just drive
right into somebody's living room i mean

2739
03:30:20,560 --> 03:30:28,319
the fact is there's a retaining wall
along the entire east face of the

2740
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:32,640
grandstand of wilkins boulevard so i
mean i i just you know we

2741
03:30:30,399 --> 03:30:36,720
we always have to get up and state facts
and be very careful of facts and i you

2742
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:40,399
know i i just i want to point that out
because it's just factually untrue

2743
03:30:39,120 --> 03:30:43,600
you know if you listen to that
individual you think that the grandstone

2744
03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:47,760
is on grade with wilkins boulevard
people can just you know drive their car

2745
03:30:45,359 --> 03:30:51,439
right in it's not it sits it sits above
grade it sits

2746
03:30:49,520 --> 03:30:55,600
enough above grade that there's a fairly
significant retaining wall there so i

2747
03:30:53,840 --> 03:31:00,000
just wanted to make that point
um somebody mentioned that during covet

2748
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:04,000
there's no more demand
for for apartments um

2749
03:31:05,359 --> 03:31:12,239
we have found that uh
the reality is

2750
03:31:09,120 --> 03:31:16,960
diametrically opposite of that um the
demand that we've seen at one deerfield

2751
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:21,680
which opened last year we are now 100
lease i mean

2752
03:31:18,640 --> 03:31:25,840
the the amount of applications that we
have seen at one deerfield over the last

2753
03:31:23,439 --> 03:31:28,880
six months is astounding it's it's
better than anything we've seen during

2754
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:32,239
the
best leasing months of a non-pandemic

2755
03:31:30,800 --> 03:31:35,760
year so
while uh

2756
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:39,520
you know it simply wasn't a factual
statement there there's a lot of demand

2757
03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:43,439
for apartments
we see companies in the deerfield

2758
03:31:41,520 --> 03:31:47,439
township area hiring all the time we see
people transferring in with with with

2759
03:31:45,920 --> 03:31:51,840
jobs you know
honeywell intelligrated png is doing a

2760
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:55,520
lot of hiring so
it simply was was just not a true

2761
03:31:54,399 --> 03:31:57,840
statement
um

2762
03:31:58,000 --> 03:32:04,880
i think uh the one last thing i want to
point out is

2763
03:32:02,239 --> 03:32:09,120
two last things the green space once
again i just i want to reiterate we have

2764
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:12,640
almost 40 percent
green space open space

2765
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:15,840
um
would you

2766
03:32:13,439 --> 03:32:18,960
choose your your terminology
but

2767
03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:24,640
i mean i'm sorry that's that's that's
the old plan let me go flip back to the

2768
03:32:22,000 --> 03:32:24,640
newer plan

2769
03:32:33,040 --> 03:32:38,399
and one of the zoning commission members
made the comment they didn't think

2770
03:32:36,800 --> 03:32:41,279
they'd ever seen a plan come through
deerfield township

2771
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:44,080
with 40
open space

2772
03:32:42,560 --> 03:32:46,640
40
and and

2773
03:32:45,040 --> 03:32:50,399
which far exceeds the township
requirement and then uh 48

2774
03:32:49,200 --> 03:32:55,359
of that of that
open space is active open space so we

2775
03:32:53,279 --> 03:32:59,040
have these huge green areas these are
not insignificant and these areas are

2776
03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:03,359
you know
70 80 feet wide

2777
03:33:01,120 --> 03:33:09,120
this buffer is very significant there is
a lot of open space

2778
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:14,800
within this proposed plan and then
lastly i just want to talk about

2779
03:33:11,520 --> 03:33:14,800
the density because

2780
03:33:14,880 --> 03:33:20,800
i think staff did a really good job with
this this slide i don't think i can get

2781
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:24,239
it up here but
basically

2782
03:33:22,160 --> 03:33:28,800
the township used to uh calculate
density on a gross density basis

2783
03:33:26,560 --> 03:33:34,720
and and then
something changed and now it's on a net

2784
03:33:30,640 --> 03:33:40,160
density basis i mean basically when
i mean as far as the impact it's exactly

2785
03:33:37,279 --> 03:33:43,439
the same so take grantstone for example
when grandstone went through the

2786
03:33:41,439 --> 03:33:48,239
township was still looking at things on
a gross density basis

2787
03:33:45,200 --> 03:33:52,880
grandstone is 122 units on 5.4 acres
that's 22.59 units per acre

2788
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:58,560
and
but now if you look at it net density

2789
03:33:56,000 --> 03:34:02,640
it's 33 units in acres so
it's but but the impact of the

2790
03:34:00,720 --> 03:34:07,200
grandstand didn't change on paper
suddenly it went from 22 units an acre

2791
03:34:04,560 --> 03:34:12,080
to 33 units an acre but nothing changed
it's not generating more traffic now

2792
03:34:09,359 --> 03:34:14,399
it's it's numbers on a piece of paper
um

2793
03:34:12,960 --> 03:34:18,239
and and
you know

2794
03:34:15,600 --> 03:34:22,080
this proposal is is half as dense in the
grandstone and in it either way you look

2795
03:34:20,640 --> 03:34:26,720
at it whether you want to look at it on
a gross density or net density

2796
03:34:24,399 --> 03:34:32,960
it's of a lower density than deerfield
springs district of deerfield latitude

2797
03:34:29,840 --> 03:34:37,040
grandstone and it's it's comparable to
nantucket

2798
03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:41,359
so i mean my contention is in our
content is that it's really not it's not

2799
03:34:39,359 --> 03:34:46,319
very dense and there's a lot of green
space and there's a very robust buffer

2800
03:34:44,479 --> 03:34:50,160
and um
you know just

2801
03:34:47,920 --> 03:34:53,840
when the township went from a gross
density calculation to a net density

2802
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:57,600
everything in the township got more
dense i mean

2803
03:34:55,200 --> 03:35:01,359
every every every community
every every development got more dance

2804
03:34:59,279 --> 03:35:06,160
but that doesn't mean the impacts
have

2805
03:35:02,800 --> 03:35:11,040
have been enhanced or or are more severe
now so

2806
03:35:07,279 --> 03:35:14,080
um appreciate the additional time and um
we're certainly here i don't know if

2807
03:35:12,319 --> 03:35:18,399
anyone else from our team wants to get
up and say anything but we're here to

2808
03:35:15,279 --> 03:35:22,479
answer any questions that you might have
can i have one

2809
03:35:20,160 --> 03:35:24,880
15 seconds to get you over
we're done

2810
03:35:25,550 --> 03:35:28,750
[Music]

2811
03:36:04,800 --> 03:36:08,399
this will be my last warning to you

2812
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:14,160
thank you

2813
03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:21,560
all right
we need to make

2814
03:36:33,040 --> 03:36:41,840
sister to close the public comment
portion of this that's my hotel yeah

2815
03:36:38,479 --> 03:36:45,840
yes mr sicily yes all right
all right you know i may go ahead you

2816
03:36:44,319 --> 03:36:50,319
guys are free to watch during this
portion of the prototype portion of this

2817
03:36:47,840 --> 03:36:55,040
is over the whole concept of due process
is allowing everyone an opportunity to

2818
03:36:52,800 --> 03:36:59,600
speak and then it also allows the
opportunity for the applicant to get up

2819
03:36:57,120 --> 03:37:03,439
and say anything in their butt anything
that was said before that once that's

2820
03:37:01,520 --> 03:37:06,080
done you're allowed to participate by
watching but you're not allowed to

2821
03:37:04,720 --> 03:37:10,000
participate by
by talking so they'll deliberate

2822
03:37:08,080 --> 03:37:14,560
publicly and then they'll come to a
decision but this can't be a process

2823
03:37:12,239 --> 03:37:18,319
where whatever they have to say you all
want to say yes but this that'll be it i

2824
03:37:16,880 --> 03:37:22,160
definitely get the
propensity as a resident or an applicant

2825
03:37:20,160 --> 03:37:26,399
for one to do that it was very important
i'll be very

2826
03:37:23,439 --> 03:37:31,680
um insistent on the fact the fact that
this is now their job to do without

2827
03:37:29,200 --> 03:37:34,000
additional input
thank you

2828
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:40,399
thank you sure
so

2829
03:37:41,040 --> 03:37:45,000
you want to start

2830
03:37:45,359 --> 03:37:51,040
well i think that
clearly

2831
03:37:48,880 --> 03:37:55,279
zone changes are the most important
thing that we do this is a change

2832
03:37:55,520 --> 03:38:01,040
so you have to be willing to look at
that

2833
03:37:58,560 --> 03:38:05,600
map and think that yes i need to change
the zone on this and all of these

2834
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:09,840
reasons we're compelling enough to do it
there's a lot of compelling reasons but

2835
03:38:07,359 --> 03:38:12,479
is it enough it doesn't line up
with

2836
03:38:11,439 --> 03:38:17,920
changing
the color on the map for the zone

2837
03:38:16,239 --> 03:38:21,600
and that's really something we have to
unpack because we have a lot of

2838
03:38:19,680 --> 03:38:25,359
information here
but the one thing that i keep coming

2839
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:30,080
back to is
growth management growth management for

2840
03:38:28,319 --> 03:38:33,199
advancement this is what we all ran on
smart development

2841
03:38:34,160 --> 03:38:40,080
so i've driven up and down tylersville a
million times in the past decade

2842
03:38:38,640 --> 03:38:43,840
i can't tell you how many times since
this case has been coming before

2843
03:38:42,319 --> 03:38:47,680
the only commission there's houses
there's single family houses all up and

2844
03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:50,560
down tylersville there's single family
houses all up and down based on

2845
03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:54,880
montgomery
find a major road without single family

2846
03:38:52,800 --> 03:38:58,800
on there and explain to me why this
can't be single family

2847
03:38:56,960 --> 03:39:01,199
i think the zone is i think the zone's
correct

2848
03:39:01,760 --> 03:39:08,640
i think the zone is correct
this plan doesn't work for me for a lot

2849
03:39:06,080 --> 03:39:12,960
of reasons this plan is very confused
there's not transition here there's

2850
03:39:11,040 --> 03:39:15,760
commercial here and then there's very
high density apartment buildings and for

2851
03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:17,920
me
even knowing

2852
03:39:17,120 --> 03:39:22,479
that
silverman's products are amazing that my

2853
03:39:20,640 --> 03:39:27,439
10 year will run away from home right
now to go live in his apartment they are

2854
03:39:24,800 --> 03:39:33,279
classy they're they're brilliant this is
not the right spot for this

2855
03:39:29,680 --> 03:39:33,279
development in my opinion

2856
03:39:33,760 --> 03:39:41,920
so i i'm gonna stand with the the zone
is the right zone single family is

2857
03:39:39,520 --> 03:39:44,479
absolutely the most impossible thing to
get

2858
03:39:42,720 --> 03:39:48,479
in our zip code
if you build it they will come

2859
03:39:46,560 --> 03:39:53,279
and that's not to take away from
anything that

2860
03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:57,199
mr silverman has done at his other
locations

2861
03:39:54,800 --> 03:40:01,640
nothing separate the two is this still
in the right zone

2862
03:39:58,479 --> 03:40:01,640
right now

2863
03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:14,880
through all this time
looking at

2864
03:40:13,600 --> 03:40:18,160
all the
the different versions and proposals and

2865
03:40:16,880 --> 03:40:22,640
everything
that was not something that i had

2866
03:40:20,080 --> 03:40:22,640
considered

2867
03:40:26,560 --> 03:40:32,040
my biggest concerns
are

2868
03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:38,399
it's it's like it's been mentioned
several times before

2869
03:40:35,520 --> 03:40:43,279
some things don't want to be there
um

2870
03:40:40,160 --> 03:40:48,160
what is the smartest
thing for us to focus on

2871
03:40:46,560 --> 03:40:50,560
um
and

2872
03:40:48,960 --> 03:40:55,199
the the thing that keeps coming back to
me is is when

2873
03:40:52,640 --> 03:40:57,520
when i'm taking notes and i hear
um

2874
03:40:57,920 --> 03:41:05,040
it seems like it's so close um
that

2875
03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:08,560
this this development can
can be successful

2876
03:41:08,880 --> 03:41:14,640
but there would like to be just there's
there needs to be a little bit more

2877
03:41:13,199 --> 03:41:18,640
movement
and i know that there's been a great

2878
03:41:16,479 --> 03:41:22,640
deal of compliments
and and i

2879
03:41:20,160 --> 03:41:27,279
i respect that and i appreciate that
that that means a lot to me

2880
03:41:24,960 --> 03:41:31,040
when i'm trying to
think about some of these issues with

2881
03:41:29,439 --> 03:41:35,120
you know compromise for the residents
compromised from the developers and

2882
03:41:33,439 --> 03:41:42,399
their plans and
how this has changed several times um

2883
03:41:39,520 --> 03:41:48,000
so when i looked at it
my thinking wasn't from the standpoint

2884
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:52,560
of single family my
view of this was

2885
03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:56,399
what can we do
to consider

2886
03:41:54,399 --> 03:41:58,479
all of those houses
at the top

2887
03:41:57,439 --> 03:42:02,000
um
and

2888
03:41:59,520 --> 03:42:06,160
if that means that
we need to consider

2889
03:42:04,160 --> 03:42:10,960
extending that amount
and

2890
03:42:07,120 --> 03:42:15,600
sliding the retention on down
the possibility of doing that i

2891
03:42:13,040 --> 03:42:21,439
understand that that might impact
um

2892
03:42:17,040 --> 03:42:21,439
building more in in this case

2893
03:42:22,560 --> 03:42:28,720
that has the possibility of lowering
some of the density which is something

2894
03:42:26,160 --> 03:42:33,600
that that some of the um the residents
have mentioned it has an impact on

2895
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:42,800
any possibility of light pollution
that can come in whether it's realized

2896
03:42:39,040 --> 03:42:48,800
or not that has an opportunity to um to
impact those specific houses behind

2897
03:42:46,080 --> 03:42:53,520
their retention pond um
and

2898
03:42:49,520 --> 03:42:57,040
and then if we provide more of that
um

2899
03:42:54,560 --> 03:43:02,239
that sort of barrier between the
families the residences in the north and

2900
03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:07,040
um
the retention pond and that can also

2901
03:43:04,160 --> 03:43:12,080
alleviate some of the uh concerns in
terms of

2902
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:15,920
safety and and and i appreciate that the
the fencing that goes around i know that

2903
03:43:13,920 --> 03:43:19,040
goes in one way um
but

2904
03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:25,040
you know being able to have that barrier
as well um could alleviate that so it to

2905
03:43:22,319 --> 03:43:33,040
me it seems like that
if if we can evaluate just a little bit

2906
03:43:28,319 --> 03:43:36,960
more of that it would um
it would alleviate a lot of of the

2907
03:43:35,680 --> 03:43:40,479
concerns
from a number of of the residents and

2908
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:43,120
then
another thing that i that was mentioned

2909
03:43:42,319 --> 03:43:47,279
is
this property

2910
03:43:44,479 --> 03:43:52,960
next to it is is
going to be developed as well um and if

2911
03:43:51,760 --> 03:43:57,279
we can
again include

2912
03:43:54,479 --> 03:44:03,199
sort of that um that barrier up at the
top that burn the top that provides some

2913
03:44:00,399 --> 03:44:06,239
of the consistency into possible future
development whether that's

2914
03:44:05,199 --> 03:44:10,640
you know a
single family or whether that's you know

2915
03:44:08,000 --> 03:44:16,160
another resource density so
when i look at

2916
03:44:12,239 --> 03:44:18,960
this i i think that it could be a
successful

2917
03:44:18,080 --> 03:44:22,399
um
development

2918
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:26,560
all around
with a little bit of those a little bit

2919
03:44:25,199 --> 03:44:30,479
of those tweaks
so why do you think single family can't

2920
03:44:28,239 --> 03:44:35,359
work for
i'm not saying that it can't

2921
03:44:33,520 --> 03:44:40,239
um
i think some some of my concern is is as

2922
03:44:38,880 --> 03:44:46,239
you have
going

2923
03:44:42,080 --> 03:44:52,239
east down tylersville um you've got
doctors offices you've got you know some

2924
03:44:48,800 --> 03:44:57,040
of some of that commercial um
and then you've got

2925
03:44:53,840 --> 03:45:01,199
the the agriculture area that will be
developed in the future um

2926
03:45:01,680 --> 03:45:10,160
i'm not developing her land yeah well
as as we go as we go further down that's

2927
03:45:07,359 --> 03:45:14,239
that's true um and and i i get that i
understand that's that's the point that

2928
03:45:12,000 --> 03:45:20,160
i'm trying to like i was not thinking
from any

2929
03:45:15,760 --> 03:45:23,279
um in any capacity of single family and
being necessarily

2930
03:45:21,910 --> 03:45:27,800
[Music]
successful

2931
03:45:24,800 --> 03:45:27,800
on

2932
03:45:35,600 --> 03:45:41,359
how can we make this how do we make this
work for everybody

2933
03:45:39,120 --> 03:45:44,560
but this is the first go-around
right

2934
03:45:42,160 --> 03:45:49,199
and so i just want you to really
understand that

2935
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:53,199
when you make this is your first zone
case right your zoning

2936
03:45:51,199 --> 03:45:58,160
case yeah
yeah like when you change the color it's

2937
03:45:55,760 --> 03:46:03,199
permanent and you know you need to
really understand why you're doing that

2938
03:46:00,080 --> 03:46:08,080
and an example would be the golf center
there the first proposal was 200 and

2939
03:46:06,160 --> 03:46:12,960
some multi-family homes back there we
were told single family could never go

2940
03:46:09,600 --> 03:46:16,239
back there could never work
there's single-family homes back there

2941
03:46:14,399 --> 03:46:20,160
right now they went like this with power
lines through them and everything else

2942
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:20,160
so

2943
03:46:20,319 --> 03:46:26,560
this is a first go around it doesn't
mean it's even something you have to

2944
03:46:23,680 --> 03:46:26,560
really work with

2945
03:46:27,120 --> 03:46:32,720
but you have to be absolutely committed
that if you're gonna say yeah we should

2946
03:46:30,479 --> 03:46:39,439
change the zone
so our job as trustees

2947
03:46:36,080 --> 03:46:43,120
considering his own change is not to
think of alternate solutions

2948
03:46:41,600 --> 03:46:48,000
to evaluate
is the zone king zone that's on it now

2949
03:46:45,760 --> 03:46:53,279
the highest and best use in alignment
with our comprehensive plan in alignment

2950
03:46:50,800 --> 03:46:57,760
with what's around it in alignment with
what's best for the entire township or

2951
03:46:56,160 --> 03:47:01,439
is this new zone
not is there another zone that could be

2952
03:46:59,600 --> 03:47:04,239
better because that's not on the table
right now

2953
03:47:02,720 --> 03:47:07,199
so
because it kind of sounds like you were

2954
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:10,080
venturing off into like a little bit of
like uh

2955
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:12,960
and i don't know if that's what you were
doing

2956
03:47:11,199 --> 03:47:16,640
uh i don't know i'm just reading right
now to be honest with you so okay no

2957
03:47:15,840 --> 03:47:18,960
idea
you give

2958
03:47:24,640 --> 03:47:30,080
no i asked him is he comfortable
changing the zone

2959
03:47:28,640 --> 03:47:32,640
that's what i asked him are you
comfortable doing that and that you

2960
03:47:31,279 --> 03:47:35,840
don't have to figure out what the next
step is you're deciding right now that's

2961
03:47:34,399 --> 03:47:41,040
what i was trying to say you don't have
to figure out what what comes next right

2962
03:47:37,840 --> 03:47:43,840
yeah it's not working to do okay
so

2963
03:47:41,760 --> 03:47:47,840
um
just to get some of my initial thoughts

2964
03:47:45,439 --> 03:47:47,840
out

2965
03:47:49,520 --> 03:47:55,120
the retention i mean i'm hearing that
that we did strike the compromise if

2966
03:47:53,680 --> 03:47:58,840
they extend the berm
and the

2967
03:47:56,560 --> 03:48:02,960
move the retention
bond but then i'm also hearing that you

2968
03:48:02,080 --> 03:48:06,319
know
single family is really like what you

2969
03:48:05,120 --> 03:48:08,720
guys want
you're going to be compromising it's

2970
03:48:07,760 --> 03:48:11,279
going to be
kind of a

2971
03:48:11,520 --> 03:48:17,120
letdown but just to get it that way
which that's not what they want for

2972
03:48:16,080 --> 03:48:21,199
anyone
i'm uncomfortable with the

2973
03:48:19,279 --> 03:48:26,319
commercial out front that we don't
really know what it's going to be

2974
03:48:23,439 --> 03:48:28,800
at this point um and i see like the
common beer company which is right there

2975
03:48:27,840 --> 03:48:32,800
which is
closed and has been empty for a while

2976
03:48:31,600 --> 03:48:35,840
and
would be a great place for another

2977
03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:39,680
restaurant to pop in and hasn't done so
yet and so it makes me uncomfortable at

2978
03:48:38,080 --> 03:48:42,479
this point especially hearing what you
guys are saying

2979
03:48:41,199 --> 03:48:45,680
um
and when they said they didn't know

2980
03:48:43,920 --> 03:48:48,720
exactly what that person was
i'm not comfortable with with approving

2981
03:48:47,600 --> 03:48:52,720
something if i'm not going to know
what's going in there at this point i

2982
03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:58,399
thought we had a better clearer kind of
idea of what was going there

2983
03:48:56,640 --> 03:49:02,239
so
i i appreciate

2984
03:49:00,160 --> 03:49:05,920
everything that
everyone has done and everyone is across

2985
03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:11,040
the table and talk about them
i hear what you're saying about

2986
03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:11,040
if

2987
03:49:11,199 --> 03:49:16,720
but i also see what's in our
comprehensive plan

2988
03:49:13,920 --> 03:49:21,760
where we
said that it should be a step down from

2989
03:49:19,359 --> 03:49:24,920
business down to
because that's alright already is a long

2990
03:49:23,920 --> 03:49:28,960
highly skilled road
[Music]

2991
03:49:26,800 --> 03:49:33,760
so so this is tricky and i guess i'm not
making much sense i'm not steering us in

2992
03:49:30,960 --> 03:49:36,960
a direction either way here right now um
i'm just kind of just part of the

2993
03:49:35,040 --> 03:49:40,399
discussion to try and continue this
session without

2994
03:49:38,560 --> 03:49:45,520
you making a decision myself right now
well the character is a recommendation

2995
03:49:42,880 --> 03:49:50,000
it's not set in stone it's fluent it's a
character area

2996
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:54,399
and it's saying no to this doesn't mean
no always

2997
03:49:51,520 --> 03:49:58,720
it means this isn't the right plan for
the density for the retail aspect or

2998
03:49:57,600 --> 03:50:03,840
the
transition there's a lot of reasons that

2999
03:50:01,279 --> 03:50:09,279
this isn't the right plan so you stick
with where you're at and

3000
03:50:07,199 --> 03:50:13,680
see what what comes back
breathe forward maybe it's silver maybe

3001
03:50:11,279 --> 03:50:19,040
somebody else but the character area is
the recommendation the zone is permanent

3002
03:50:32,479 --> 03:50:35,199
we have to agree

3003
03:50:40,000 --> 03:50:44,560
but
of course but i'm saying we don't have

3004
03:50:42,720 --> 03:50:48,239
to do something right now just because
of the character area recommendation and

3005
03:50:46,399 --> 03:50:52,560
the first plan
we have so little land to develop in

3006
03:50:49,920 --> 03:50:58,640
deerfield township we have so
little land left

3007
03:50:55,840 --> 03:51:03,199
and we all ran on smart growth smart
development

3008
03:51:00,560 --> 03:51:06,960
we all did so if you do think this is
the smartest thing then do it i don't

3009
03:51:05,439 --> 03:51:10,720
think with his little land as we have
left that this is the smartest use of

3010
03:51:08,880 --> 03:51:14,239
that land
it doesn't make sense there when i think

3011
03:51:13,199 --> 03:51:19,439
of
one's airfield and the grandstone you

3012
03:51:16,560 --> 03:51:23,359
park there you walk everywhere you don't
have to get your car out all weekend if

3013
03:51:21,279 --> 03:51:26,399
you don't want to you walk to the gym
you can walk in groceries you're in

3014
03:51:24,800 --> 03:51:30,720
movies you can walk to the bar you can
walk whatever that's not

3015
03:51:28,319 --> 03:51:33,040
the place for
this

3016
03:51:31,520 --> 03:51:38,080
high-end
apartment complex that has some retail

3017
03:51:34,800 --> 03:51:38,080
in the front it just isn't

3018
03:51:38,399 --> 03:51:43,920
in my opinion it just isn't when you
want to park your car when you've had

3019
03:51:41,840 --> 03:51:48,239
your apartment it is literally so you
can walk anywhere and

3020
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:52,160
not have to get it in and out and in and
out and now

3021
03:51:50,800 --> 03:51:55,359
it's not anything against the apartment
as well if there's your hand if you've

3022
03:51:53,199 --> 03:52:00,800
never lived in an apartment
right i mean

3023
03:51:57,439 --> 03:52:05,840
so with as little land as we have
and this plan is not a home run for

3024
03:52:02,640 --> 03:52:05,840
anybody here

3025
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:12,319
and it's zoned for the way it's been
zoned for years for a reason

3026
03:52:10,640 --> 03:52:16,800
and the past has already turned down a
different

3027
03:52:13,920 --> 03:52:20,319
uh you know years ago a different use we
haven't found the right thing yet the

3028
03:52:18,399 --> 03:52:23,840
right thing has not come forward and
this is going to set precedent for the

3029
03:52:21,760 --> 03:52:27,239
iranian land that we have left which is
so little

3030
03:52:29,520 --> 03:52:35,439
so
smart growth

3031
03:52:31,840 --> 03:52:41,040
for me is to say this this is not a
high dense apartment complex no matter

3032
03:52:38,239 --> 03:52:43,520
how beautiful doesn't fit there
it doesn't

3033
03:52:42,239 --> 03:52:49,359
there's nobody going to park there and
walk to

3034
03:52:45,840 --> 03:52:49,359
the chiropractor on the corner

3035
03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:56,080
or the insurance company with
alterations that's what's over there and

3036
03:52:54,880 --> 03:52:59,600
they've driven over there a million
times but if you drive a little further

3037
03:52:57,920 --> 03:53:04,560
down there's homes all the way against
tylersville a beautiful firm

3038
03:53:02,160 --> 03:53:08,399
like there is homes all up and down
pilots though was the last time you were

3039
03:53:06,080 --> 03:53:12,560
on tyler's lawyer it's on your
opposite side of your

3040
03:53:11,199 --> 03:53:14,880
town
oh okay

3041
03:53:19,680 --> 03:53:25,520
so if you wanted to move this along i'm
a no on this

3042
03:53:23,600 --> 03:53:30,279
and
i know we'll see a better plan uh

3043
03:53:44,720 --> 03:53:47,720
um

3044
03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:10,720
and
it is it is tough um you know because

3045
03:54:10,800 --> 03:54:15,120
with a look at
residents

3046
03:54:14,239 --> 03:54:19,840
um
who are

3047
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:19,840
you know

3048
03:54:20,239 --> 03:54:25,600
have have different thoughts for foods
that are have different

3049
03:54:24,399 --> 03:54:30,160
different
ideas

3050
03:54:28,000 --> 03:54:30,160
and

3051
03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:38,600
um

3052
03:54:43,199 --> 03:54:47,840
best for
for them

3053
03:54:54,239 --> 03:55:00,640
this decision is
it's more than

3054
03:54:58,160 --> 03:55:04,399
those houses there but
those houses are

3055
03:55:02,479 --> 03:55:07,920
pretty important
so that's why it's it's difficult for me

3056
03:55:06,800 --> 03:55:10,160
to
um

3057
03:55:11,199 --> 03:55:14,720
be able to say
this

3058
03:55:17,760 --> 03:55:25,040
so trustee headings and now
i will say that

3059
03:55:23,520 --> 03:55:29,520
the only way i would vote yes on this is
if we extended that verb i never

3060
03:55:27,760 --> 03:55:33,760
so that would be a condition that we
would add to the pov and that's the only

3061
03:55:31,439 --> 03:55:38,040
way that i would say yes
you still don't have your retail

3062
03:55:35,040 --> 03:55:38,040
compliance

3063
03:55:39,150 --> 03:55:42,250
[Music]

3064
03:55:54,160 --> 03:55:58,640
the
apartments you know getting that and

3065
03:55:57,920 --> 03:56:01,359
then
our trusted only commission we appoint

3066
03:56:00,399 --> 03:56:06,239
them
to approve

3067
03:56:03,120 --> 03:56:09,439
the commercial and i trust them to
make wise decisions there and that's

3068
03:56:07,920 --> 03:56:12,000
their job to do have this other
department

3069
03:56:12,160 --> 03:56:14,319
so

3070
03:56:15,680 --> 03:56:23,279
you already got to know
so i'm talking to trustee siciliano here

3071
03:56:21,040 --> 03:56:26,560
to let him know that if that's the way
he wanted to go

3072
03:56:24,479 --> 03:56:29,520
whichever way he wants to go on this but
i would only do it by adding conditions

3073
03:56:28,319 --> 03:56:34,160
that would send the berm all the way
across to keep a consistent smooth

3074
03:56:31,439 --> 03:56:39,920
retention pun
at the expense of it we have to lose the

3075
03:56:35,840 --> 03:56:43,760
building and we can figure the
development

3076
03:56:41,199 --> 03:56:48,000
and if that's too big of a change if we
need to come back and redo this after

3077
03:56:45,680 --> 03:56:52,319
those changes if that's too big
because i don't know because that

3078
03:56:49,040 --> 03:56:52,319
changes that picture completely

3079
03:57:04,800 --> 03:57:11,359
and they have to move their attention on
and then that causes them to have to say

3080
03:57:08,800 --> 03:57:14,239
reconfigure how the buildings are
set up

3081
03:57:12,720 --> 03:57:17,760
does that do they have to come back
through the process or is that something

3082
03:57:16,239 --> 03:57:22,000
that comes through
i would probably say that that's i mean

3083
03:57:20,399 --> 03:57:25,120
we kind of went through this once before
is would that be the equivalent of a

3084
03:57:23,279 --> 03:57:28,880
major modification of the pvd if this
were an existing beauty

3085
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:31,120
if you want to put on a condition that
says

3086
03:57:30,160 --> 03:57:34,399
um
the mound's got to go the whole length

3087
03:57:32,640 --> 03:57:37,439
of the most outside of the property
and just put that there

3088
03:57:37,600 --> 03:57:43,120
they're going to need to scramble to
figure out can they make that work

3089
03:57:40,640 --> 03:57:48,319
somehow presumably in doing that they'd
have to look at changing

3090
03:57:45,760 --> 03:57:53,040
different areas on the properties use
areas which is one of the standards is

3091
03:57:50,720 --> 03:57:57,520
defining the use of permitted with the
pd the general location of such uses

3092
03:57:55,279 --> 03:58:02,319
things of that nature so but if they had
to basically rework their site pen

3093
03:58:00,000 --> 03:58:06,640
presumably so to where maybe building
one building

3094
03:58:04,239 --> 03:58:10,880
three needs change whatever it would be
then yeah i would think that that would

3095
03:58:08,800 --> 03:58:14,720
regrettably unfortunately but probably
be something that would be tantamount to

3096
03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:17,279
the major beauty to which it would be
the equivalent

3097
03:58:29,120 --> 03:58:35,359
hold on there it's not a concern but
let's just have it so i mean if it's

3098
03:58:33,359 --> 03:58:39,359
listed as a condition
to extend

3099
03:58:36,640 --> 03:58:43,750
and move the pollen to the south
they couldn't bring that vehicle back

3100
03:58:40,880 --> 03:58:46,899
and if the density remains
[Music]

3101
03:58:50,160 --> 03:58:54,479
no they don't have to go all the way
through but i do think that you would

3102
03:58:53,439 --> 03:58:58,479
need to
come back to this

3103
03:58:56,160 --> 03:59:03,040
with public notice and we need the
public to be able to provide i think we

3104
03:59:00,319 --> 03:59:06,960
don't need to go back back through
intelligence oh no sorry if that's how i

3105
03:59:05,520 --> 03:59:11,040
spoke that's not what i mean but i do
think the tantamount to they would just

3106
03:59:09,120 --> 03:59:15,120
they would bring that robotic plan back
to this board based on the additional

3107
03:59:13,040 --> 03:59:18,479
conditions in which you would apply to
the plan before you receive it you get

3108
03:59:17,120 --> 03:59:22,160
to set the rules i mean if you want to
send it back to zoning commission if you

3109
03:59:19,840 --> 03:59:27,359
want a good rpc you can there's no rule
for that but it would be the equivalent

3110
03:59:24,960 --> 03:59:31,600
of a major ped modification to where at
a minimum i'd certainly forgive process

3111
03:59:29,359 --> 03:59:35,680
purposes but think that you want to send
out those revised plans you want to

3112
03:59:33,680 --> 03:59:40,960
allow the neighbors to provide input as
well you can come back and do that

3113
03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:40,960
before this board that's one

3114
03:59:45,520 --> 03:59:50,960
i think to summarize there are currently
18 conditions any other conditions you

3115
03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:55,160
put on they would have to bring back a
division of showing those conditions

3116
03:59:55,279 --> 04:00:00,080
to the extent that it modifies the use
areas of the

3117
03:59:58,479 --> 04:00:04,399
letter literally what you're spelling
out tonight presumably if you say

3118
04:00:02,640 --> 04:00:08,560
helper's got to be all there obviously
the retention area is going to move that

3119
04:00:06,479 --> 04:00:11,920
by itself would probably be grounds for
it maybe not but if you're talking

3120
04:00:10,399 --> 04:00:15,680
holistically of
rearranging buildings things of that

3121
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:20,120
nature that's
getting pretty close to wanting to do

3122
04:00:17,120 --> 04:00:20,120
another

3123
04:00:30,080 --> 04:00:35,040
if i can if i can throw out a couple
concepts you're kind of doing two things

3124
04:00:33,600 --> 04:00:39,520
here tonight not kind of literally
you're doing a rezoning of the property

3125
04:00:37,680 --> 04:00:42,560
and you're also to the extent you get
past the resulting phase

3126
04:00:41,279 --> 04:00:46,560
then you're choosing whether or not to
put the preliminary

3127
04:00:44,000 --> 04:00:50,960
plan it sounds like trustee petting is
obviously saying no i think that

3128
04:00:49,760 --> 04:00:54,960
it should be
remain residential single family

3129
04:00:53,439 --> 04:00:59,520
that might be a good thing for you to
get through first in your mind's eye is

3130
04:00:57,359 --> 04:01:03,279
do you agree with that or do you not
if you can get past the concept of no i

3131
04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:07,680
think it could be
you know neighborhood mixed

3132
04:01:06,239 --> 04:01:11,600
then maybe then you start getting into
the preliminary pd plan components to

3133
04:01:09,680 --> 04:01:15,199
that and then you start thinking of the
concept of

3134
04:01:12,800 --> 04:01:19,520
do we see if we can extend the buffer
or not those different type things

3135
04:01:17,439 --> 04:01:23,840
the further thing i will say is
at least as of the commercial component

3136
04:01:21,359 --> 04:01:27,760
is this is the preliminary pe plan
and the zoning code lays out what's to

3137
04:01:26,000 --> 04:01:31,279
be specified
like it or not that's just kind of how

3138
04:01:29,199 --> 04:01:35,279
the process works is and it's been that
way all along deerfield

3139
04:01:33,840 --> 04:01:38,640
center areas
unfortunately you know they don't

3140
04:01:37,279 --> 04:01:42,319
typically know what their commercial
development is

3141
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:46,720
um at this time it's very user specific
at the end um

3142
04:01:44,319 --> 04:01:50,479
so i wouldn't i would be uncomfortable
with you all

3143
04:01:47,840 --> 04:01:54,239
turning in turning approval of their
preliminary pd plan down

3144
04:01:53,040 --> 04:01:58,560
if it were
let's just say party and say exclusively

3145
04:01:56,560 --> 04:02:02,399
on the basis of i don't know what that
commercial will be because the code

3146
04:02:00,399 --> 04:02:05,520
doesn't make them tell you now
what that commercial would be but i just

3147
04:02:04,399 --> 04:02:09,840
wanted to kind of get those out there
but for framing it you should understand

3148
04:02:08,000 --> 04:02:14,319
that think through
step one would be

3149
04:02:11,840 --> 04:02:18,080
are you comfortable with rezoning it if
the answer to that is no

3150
04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:22,640
then that kind of ends your game
if you're conceptually willing

3151
04:02:20,160 --> 04:02:26,960
to think about rezoning it then that's
when you should start thinking about

3152
04:02:24,640 --> 04:02:31,279
kind of the preliminary pd plan what
additional conditions

3153
04:02:29,120 --> 04:02:35,120
etc etc and that's then when you might
get into the concept of how

3154
04:02:33,439 --> 04:02:38,960
much are we re-engineering this to where
we need to come back

3155
04:02:37,359 --> 04:02:43,120
just some kind of
guiding points for along the way

3156
04:02:41,279 --> 04:02:46,720
so there's a lot of plants that can come
back with single family with the

3157
04:02:44,720 --> 04:02:50,560
character areas still on it
that involves single family

3158
04:02:48,800 --> 04:02:54,160
but there's so many ways that that
property can go it can't be developed

3159
04:02:52,479 --> 04:02:56,880
you don't have to be involved with the
first ones and

3160
04:03:02,239 --> 04:03:07,600
also a business component to it
alongside this village i know he's

3161
04:03:06,239 --> 04:03:11,680
saying we have single family and i've
been looking at how the rest of tyler's

3162
04:03:09,040 --> 04:03:15,279
bill is developed
for the consistency

3163
04:03:14,239 --> 04:03:19,120
and
for what else is there i think it does

3164
04:03:16,800 --> 04:03:25,040
make sense to have some kind of business
yeah do you know um do you believe

3165
04:03:21,920 --> 04:03:28,399
on montgomery road what is it called
vintage club

3166
04:03:26,640 --> 04:03:33,199
you have a vintage club
there's a hospital like outpatient in

3167
04:03:31,520 --> 04:03:36,720
the front there's a
yoga studio or pilates or something in

3168
04:03:35,199 --> 04:03:40,800
the front you drive down the driveway
and you see their clubhouse they've got

3169
04:03:39,120 --> 04:03:45,439
one apartment living here beautiful
houses town homes there's

3170
04:03:42,880 --> 04:03:48,479
transition there's diversity and housing
they've got business in the front it's

3171
04:03:46,960 --> 04:03:51,120
right off one of the busiest streets
there

3172
04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:55,840
there is there's
there's uses for this land that can be

3173
04:03:54,560 --> 04:04:01,040
higher
to a higher purpose than the apartment

3174
04:03:58,319 --> 04:04:04,319
complex with some retail in the front
i just think we have to

3175
04:04:02,800 --> 04:04:08,319
understand that
that saying no to this doesn't mean

3176
04:04:06,160 --> 04:04:12,319
saying no forever to anything that could
come before us and it has to be straight

3177
04:04:10,319 --> 04:04:15,920
single family that's not what i'm saying
this plan right now is not the right

3178
04:04:14,560 --> 04:04:18,399
plan for that
property

3179
04:04:19,120 --> 04:04:22,560
do you know that i'm talking about

3180
04:04:22,720 --> 04:04:28,479
like if you go back if you go past
harvard station

3181
04:04:26,239 --> 04:04:35,120
and it's on your left there's a medical
building there's about nearly

3182
04:04:32,000 --> 04:04:35,120
a few years ago

3183
04:04:44,880 --> 04:04:48,520
but it's still communities

3184
04:04:51,359 --> 04:04:55,840
so
there's a lot you can do with single

3185
04:04:54,080 --> 04:04:59,800
families still if it stays single
families once you're done

3186
04:05:14,640 --> 04:05:17,640
you

3187
04:05:19,490 --> 04:05:22,740
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3188
04:05:26,800 --> 04:05:34,160
this property is going to eventually
become something bigger

3189
04:05:32,000 --> 04:05:38,720
whoever develops the next
harsh portion so whatever you say now

3190
04:05:36,880 --> 04:05:42,960
isn't going to accept them
right there so anything

3191
04:05:40,880 --> 04:05:46,080
i know i said that we can't it's not our
job thing at all right he's not done

3192
04:05:44,800 --> 04:05:49,120
this before i'm just trying to talk him
through like okay

3193
04:05:53,920 --> 04:05:56,160
okay

3194
04:05:56,560 --> 04:06:02,080
to reduce the density you can do
something for our step down that we've

3195
04:05:59,760 --> 04:06:05,040
got in our comments you could do
something like

3196
04:06:03,120 --> 04:06:09,680
commercial down below state town homes
down to single family homes well in the

3197
04:06:07,199 --> 04:06:13,680
updated call plan you guys do remember
has actual lines like that there's

3198
04:06:11,520 --> 04:06:18,479
single family there's one family there's
commercial it's just that we're behind

3199
04:06:15,600 --> 04:06:18,479
on that because

3200
04:06:19,359 --> 04:06:26,000
so they're not wrong
hey here's the character area and here's

3201
04:06:23,840 --> 04:06:29,920
this they don't change they won't change
when it comes back out

3202
04:06:27,680 --> 04:06:33,120
but it's very specific
that

3203
04:06:30,720 --> 04:06:36,520
there's single family of events and
there's multiple

3204
04:06:51,279 --> 04:06:58,399
and i think that kind of touched on
the original

3205
04:06:55,680 --> 04:07:02,720
draft of this that including the talent
exists as more of that step down and

3206
04:07:01,120 --> 04:07:09,720
that was
one of one of the points that you know

3207
04:07:04,640 --> 04:07:09,720
the residents didn't want was

3208
04:07:30,640 --> 04:07:33,800
all right

3209
04:07:42,080 --> 04:07:45,520
you don't have a lot of land

3210
04:07:49,520 --> 04:07:53,080
part left it

3211
04:08:19,120 --> 04:08:22,120
foreign

3212
04:08:33,760 --> 04:08:36,760
okay

3213
04:08:58,239 --> 04:09:04,560
but
after our discussion tonight

3214
04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:09,359
i think what i'm hearing everyone say
what's that none of us are involved with

3215
04:09:07,120 --> 04:09:09,359
um

3216
04:09:10,399 --> 04:09:18,080
so therefore it's maybe not the highest
and best and our job is figuring out

3217
04:09:16,000 --> 04:09:22,960
what is the highest and best use
and what is the best

3218
04:09:19,600 --> 04:09:22,960
vision for this property

3219
04:09:23,120 --> 04:09:28,359
we
keep it as it is for now

3220
04:09:30,800 --> 04:09:36,640
how do you feel about that
and it could even be silverman comes

3221
04:09:35,040 --> 04:09:43,560
back to us they
come back with something else because i

3222
04:09:39,040 --> 04:09:43,560
i love one deerfield it's fantastic

3223
04:09:52,960 --> 04:09:57,800
yeah i mean like
just technology

3224
04:10:01,760 --> 04:10:08,960
um
and i know that the residents um are not

3225
04:10:06,560 --> 04:10:11,760
in love with this
either which

3226
04:10:10,640 --> 04:10:17,520
is
it is important

3227
04:10:13,680 --> 04:10:24,840
for me to hear that so yes at
this point that i

3228
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:24,840
i i don't i agree with this specific

3229
04:10:25,279 --> 04:10:32,880
i think that
we would have to make

3230
04:10:29,199 --> 04:10:32,880
some big changes to this

3231
04:10:33,359 --> 04:10:35,520
and

3232
04:10:36,960 --> 04:10:42,800
i i i'd be wondering if maybe you use it
and see where

3233
04:10:41,359 --> 04:10:46,479
she was
i mean it did happen at the golf center

3234
04:10:44,399 --> 04:10:50,560
trustee headings not wrong he turned it
down and they came back and

3235
04:10:49,120 --> 04:10:55,040
it was a better plan they said it
couldn't be done it people it was done

3236
04:10:52,399 --> 04:10:59,840
yeah and they sold out and
yeah like that

3237
04:10:56,960 --> 04:10:59,840
so um

3238
04:11:01,840 --> 04:11:07,840
i think uh
with that i will make the motion to deny

3239
04:11:07,040 --> 04:11:12,080
the
change a second

3240
04:11:10,159 --> 04:11:17,520
we've got a question by ms malhotra and
the second five is heading to deny the

3241
04:11:14,960 --> 04:11:20,520
zone change in case number
2021-85

3242
04:11:32,720 --> 04:11:35,720
is

3243
04:11:39,359 --> 04:11:42,920
thank you very much

3244
04:11:44,110 --> 04:11:59,479
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yes

3245
04:12:00,220 --> 04:12:02,790
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