1 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:43,520 Good evening and welcome to the Defiant City Council meeting for tonight, 2 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:48,076 February 24th, 2026. As we get underway, we have Pastor Scott Williams from the 3 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:50,960 Church of the Nazarene to lead us in [snorts] prayer before we get underway. 4 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,360 Thank you for being our guest this evening. 5 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:58,880 » Thank you for allowing me to come and pray for you all. Let's pray. 6 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:03,119 God, it is an honor and a privilege uh to be able to be in a country that we 7 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:08,640 can come and we can have meetings like this where we can make decisions and 8 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:14,400 care for our people and our community. So God, tonight we just come before you 9 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:17,200 and ask for your hand upon this meeting. God, I don't know everything that's 10 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:21,599 about to happen. I don't know what even's on the agenda tonight, but God, 11 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:25,280 you know what needs to happen. God, you put these people in place, everybody 12 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:30,160 who's here, God, you put them in this place for this time and all of all of 13 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:34,239 eternity. God, I pray you give them wisdom. I pray you give them insight. I 14 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:41,599 pray you give them compassion and empathy and uh give them the ability, 15 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:45,040 God, to make wise decisions with with everything that they have to do. God, 16 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,080 they're in the they're in the place that they have to for so many people and the 17 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:54,000 responsibility of that is great. So God, I pray that you just be with them that 18 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:57,920 uh you take care of their families as God they've got issues there that maybe 19 00:02:56,239 --> 00:03:01,360 that are weighing them down tonight as well. God, I pray that you just give 20 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:06,080 them comfort in the midst of those things so that they can have clear minds 21 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:11,120 to do your business here in our community. God, thank you for uh the 22 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:15,920 privilege you give us to pray in this country and for all that you give us in 23 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:21,440 Jesus name. Amen. Amen. [clears throat] Thank you very much. 24 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:25,680 This meeting is now called to order. Let the record show that all the members of 25 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:30,480 council are present except we are down Mr. Waxler and Mr. Mast who are unable 26 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,599 to make it this evening. Do we have a motion to excuse Mr. Waxler this 27 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,120 evening? >> So moved. 28 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:40,159 » Second. >> Second. Mrs. C Miss Kaufman. All those 29 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:44,000 in favor of excusing Mr. Waxler say I. >> All those opposed. 30 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:44,959 » And do we have a motion to excuse Mr. Mr. Mass. 31 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,200 » So move. >> So move. 32 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:52,640 » Second. >> Second. Miss Kaufman. All those in favor 33 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:55,802 of excusing Mr. Mass this evening also respond with I. 34 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,959 » All those opposed. All right. [clears throat] Hopefully we'll see them 35 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:02,439 next time. Would you stand with me for the pledge of allegiance? 36 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:11,120 » I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 37 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:17,799 republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 38 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,799 justice for all. 39 00:04:18,727 --> 00:04:20,747 [snorts] 40 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:27,759 As we get underway, I have reviewed the index minutes for our last meeting of 41 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:32,240 February 10th, 2026. Do we have a motion to correct or amend 42 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:36,080 the index minutes as they're presented? Without such a motion, I'll approve 43 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:40,998 them. Do we have any liaison meeting reports 44 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:43,680 or requests? [clears throat] 45 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,479 And do we have any comments from council this evening? 46 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:51,440 » Miss Kaufman, >> I'd like to thank the administration for 47 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:55,680 sending me to the uh newly elected council training seminar that the Ohio 48 00:04:53,360 --> 00:05:00,479 Municipal League puts on. They picked up the registration and I gave my time uh 49 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:04,400 all day on Saturday, but it was worthwhile. Very well [clears throat] 50 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,840 done and I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you. 51 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:12,160 » Thank you, Mrs. Crutch. >> Um, this past Saturday was the Shanghai 52 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:16,080 circus that the straight put on. It was a great little event that they had. A 53 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:21,039 lot of people showed up and it was a good cultural um awareness for a lot of 54 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:26,240 the children and and the parents, too. So, it was a great job. And then also, 55 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:30,639 have you heard any news on the 1918 building? 56 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:36,479 » Anything updating on that? >> Got a little water issue. I heard that. 57 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:40,400 » But it was a it was a water line that we didn't know existed. That I don't want 58 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,800 to say it froze and burst. It may have froze and burst. It just failed. But 59 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:49,600 something we took care of. >> Any interest? Have you heard? 60 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:53,840 » Oh, there's a couple things. [snorts] >> The Defiant Society of Artist is going 61 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,639 to continue decorating windows if that is still okay with the city that we 62 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,800 still do that. >> Sure. 63 00:05:57,199 --> 00:06:03,440 » All right. Thank you. >> We appreciate him doing that. 64 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Thank you. Any other comments from council this 65 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,520 evening? 66 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:18,240 All right. I'm I'm sure we all noticed in our drop boxes that the financial 67 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:21,840 reports for February were included. In the absence of any objection or 68 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,720 corrections, the payment of bills and financial reports shall be approved. Are 69 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,400 there any objections or corrections? >> January. 70 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,759 » I'm sorry, January. >> We're still in February. [clears throat] 71 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,000 That's right. >> March. 72 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:38,400 » It's almost over. >> January. Short month. 73 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,400 » Yeah. >> If there are none, then they are 74 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:45,919 approved, >> but thank you for sending 75 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:50,800 on to the board of control. Uh, Mayor McKinnon. Not much for me. Other Mr. 76 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:56,400 President, on March 10th, I will not be here. Uh every year I attend a health 77 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:02,520 department meeting that's somewhat mandatory and so that's why we'll be in 78 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,520 two weeks. 79 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:09,680 » And that's March. That's all. >> Thank you. Mr. Mack, 80 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:12,240 » nothing for you at this time, Mr. President. 81 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,599 » Mr. I would like to request an executive 82 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:20,000 session to consider confidential information related to the specific 83 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:24,160 strategy of an e economic development assistance that involves either public 84 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:28,080 infrastructure improvements or the extension of utilities that are directly 85 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:34,960 related to the economic development project pursuant to higher code section 86 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:39,199 121.22 G8. >> Mr. O'Donnell's requested an executive 87 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,880 session. Do we have such a motion? >> So moved. Second. 88 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,639 Second. Mr. Hancock. >> Mrs. Stretch. 89 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:46,240 » Yes. >> Mr. Hancock. 90 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,599 » Yes. >> Mr. Corbett. 91 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:48,800 » Yes. >> Miss Kaufman. 92 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,880 » Yes. >> And Mr. 93 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,360 » Yes. >> Before [clears throat] we adjourn for 94 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:57,840 this evening, we will have an executive session. And is there anything else? 95 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:01,120 » Not at this time. >> And Miss Spre, 96 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:07,440 » um, just a couple of purchase orders. Uh, Mommy Valley Planning their um, 97 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:14,319 revolving loan administration fee 15,000. 98 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:19,199 finance uh workers comp the 2026 true up 17,1 99 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:27,039 water treatment plant the lime sludge contract um that original PO is 350,000 100 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:34,719 they took a draw $9,111 uh UBO um Ferguson Enterprises for 101 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:41,120 meters 20,000 water pollution control uh engineering services with the siphon 102 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:46,560 cleaning 49 9,750 parks and wreck, Smith and Wheeler uh 103 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:51,519 repair and coat tennis and basketball courts at Latty's Veterans Park, uh 104 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:57,519 35,120. And we also received a grant to help 105 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:02,560 offset the cost of that 35,000 for $10,000 106 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:07,920 from the Defiance Area Foundation. So just FYI on that. in engineering uh 107 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:16,640 sharewood drive payment improvement preliminary engineering $49,950. 108 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:22,640 And then just one other note, um Julian and Groo is the company that's going to 109 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:27,920 be doing the 2025 audit. You would have received an email from them on a fraud 110 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:32,320 questionnaire. So if you haven't, please just click on the link. It's not very 111 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:38,240 many questions and get that back to them. Um but they're going to start 112 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:43,360 working on the 25 a so the regular state will not be coming in 113 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:50,680 that's why >> well thank you very much [clears throat] 114 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:50,680 we do have two items of legislation 115 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,519 » we do have public hearing I guess 116 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:06,959 there we >> [snorts] 117 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,959 » Uh, we do have a public hearing this evening. 118 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:21,760 There we go. Uh, for the map amendment and resoning 119 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,880 request and variance requests and plat review. 120 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,880 » Mr. O'Donnell. >> Thank you, Mr. President. This uh 121 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:35,600 involves an applicant requesting what we call a planned unit development overlay. 122 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:43,600 uh to a R1 lowdensity residence district. And um you might recall uh 123 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:47,680 passing a pair of resolutions last year where where the board of commissioners 124 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:52,240 for the finance count county ultimately approved the annexation of this u 125 00:10:50,880 --> 00:11:00,720 property that looks like the state of Michigan and into the city. and 126 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:06,240 um it does come in as the lowest density uh or or the least or most restrictive 127 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:10,072 use uh for that type of use. So here that would be R1 that that's automatic 128 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:13,760 anytime there's an annexation [clears throat] 129 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:17,920 u based on the most recently adopted comprehensive land use plan 130 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:23,519 and uh the applicant's requesting an 131 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:28,240 overlay. It has a number of advantages. uh you can do zero lot line dwellings, 132 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:36,720 you can have greater housing density for the project and um section 1171.06c4 133 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:41,760 uh for planning zoning code requires a public hearing and that's what you're 134 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:47,839 doing tonight um before we would have an ordinance before you 135 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:52,079 for that overlay. Um, I did want to clarify uh the count the clerks 136 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:56,578 mentioned variances. The planning commission has approved the sole 137 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:59,440 variance that the applicant requested [clears throat] 138 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,600 and they are here too. >> Excellent. 139 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:07,360 » Mr. Han. >> Yeah. With this with this development 140 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:11,639 we're looking at how many units do we >> I don't know off the top of my head. 141 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:18,193 » Yeah. Please do 125. 125. 142 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:21,120 » Yes. [clears throat] 143 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,399 » Oh, we're asking are they all single single homes? 144 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:28,079 » Yes, single family homes and then also one amenity site for the entire 145 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,120 development. >> Okay, 146 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:37,920 » Mr. Hancock. >> And you know the range of cost 147 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:46,639 sales cost you're looking at like 200, two and a quarter, 300, you know. 148 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:46,639 I do not know that number. Okay. 149 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,920 Get rolling. >> What's that? 150 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:57,519 » Get rolling. >> Still a year away. 151 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:02,920 The actual home building might be a little premature. 152 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,920 » Thank you. 153 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:11,200 » We have any other questions from council? 154 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:14,480 » Another question. Just a comment. Once again, thank you guys for your 155 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:18,480 commitment to defiance and what you're doing with your developments that 156 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:23,839 they're already in place and look forward to seeing the new one go up. So, 157 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:29,959 thank you. >> And any questions or comments from any 158 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,959 of our guests? 159 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:36,760 Easily resolved. Thank you, Mr. O'Donnell. 160 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:46,320 » You want me to do it? There we go. >> First reading by caption only an 161 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:49,920 ordinance authorizing and ratifying entry into a contract for the purchase 162 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:53,600 [clears throat] of electricity for street lights and declaring emergency. 163 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:58,399 » Mr. O'Donnell. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Uh much like 164 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:03,440 the ordinances that you have for the electricity purchases for the city 165 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:07,440 facilities or sort of like the electric aggregation program. Uh we have to get a 166 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:12,959 little creative with this ordinance because of the uh volatility of the 167 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:18,639 energy markets. Um this is for the uh street uh street light network that the 168 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:22,639 city maintains so that all our residents can be safe, visitors can be safe when 169 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:28,880 they're traversing throughout the city. Uh the proposal that we have recommended 170 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:35,360 to you is for a 36-month electricity supply contract uh for that street light 171 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:40,079 network. Uh the our consultants are estimating a cost an annual cost of 172 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:45,519 $52,000. It comes out to about $4,300 a month for 173 00:14:42,959 --> 00:14:51,279 the city. Obviously, that's a contract uh that requires your approval. And um 174 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:56,560 due to those the uncertainty of the the energy markets, we are asking for the 175 00:14:53,920 --> 00:15:03,199 authority for the city administrator to sign the contract with the lowest and 176 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:09,760 best uh supplier. Uh that can change, but lowest and best we'll be able to 177 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:15,360 determine that minute by minute. Um obviously 178 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:20,240 five members here, so u suspending the rules is not an option for tonight. 179 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:24,959 But you can't do a reading. >> Do we have any questions for Mr. 180 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:28,079 O'Donnell in these regards? Mr. Corbett. >> Motion let 181 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:30,480 motion let lie. >> Second. 182 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:34,639 » Mr. Angel, all those [clears throat] in favor of letting this issue lie and then 183 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,079 bringing it up next time we're together say I. 184 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,800 » I. >> All those opposed, we will let this 185 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,800 issue lie. 186 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,800 » First reading by caption only. ordinance authorizing a contract for the 187 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:52,480 construction of Ottawa eminent corridor improvements project and declaring 188 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,759 emergency. >> Mr. O'Donnell. 189 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:01,759 » Yes, Mr. President. Council sat through a litany of ordinances last year and 190 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:07,759 partially [snorts] into 2024 uh from that range from grant 191 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:11,839 applications to the design to over a dozen property acquisition ordinances 192 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:16,160 specifically regarding this project. And it's finally 193 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:20,079 time to execute the construction contract. So I think it's safe to say 194 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:23,920 this will be the last one for Ottawa Avenue, 195 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:28,800 the corridor improvements. Advanced Escavating and Demolition of Mcome, Ohio 196 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:37,680 submitted the lowest and best bid of just over $2.7 million. The uh budgeted 197 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:44,399 amount was $3 million, so that came in lower. And as a reminder, uh the project 198 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:49,120 uh involves Yes, thank you. the replacement of the 199 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:54,480 the water line along Ottawa. That's the red here. Um 200 00:16:52,320 --> 00:17:00,320 and then new sidewalks and shared use paths throughout. Could you uh scroll 201 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:06,720 down? Thank you. Um so some of these are are shared use paths right here, the 202 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:10,720 dotted uh turquoise line. And then even down here on Cleveland line, Cleveland 203 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:16,160 Avenue uh this dotted line, that's a sidewalk that's going to connect uh to 204 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:20,720 the Heirsville Avenue project uh that started yesterday. And so when this is 205 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:27,520 all said and done, hopefully at the end by the end of the construction year, uh 206 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:33,760 someone could walk from Deon Road to the YMCA and school facilities. uh they 207 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:38,080 could access East Side Park um and even into uh town there in Kings Kingsbury 208 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:44,000 Park and those other amenities. That was very important uh to the respondents and 209 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:49,039 residents that uh took the time to take the [clears throat] survey for the parks 210 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:53,280 master plan and we want to deliver that. >> Excellent. 211 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,240 Any any questions for Mr. O'Donnell in these regards? 212 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,480 » Mr. Mr. Angel. >> Motion to let lie. 213 00:17:57,919 --> 00:18:02,480 » Second. >> Motion to let lie, Mr. Engel. Second, 214 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:05,919 Mrs. Crutch. [clears throat] All those in favor of letting this issue lie until 215 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,880 next time, say I. >> I. 216 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:14,080 » All those opposed. Right. We will also let this issue lie. 217 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,280 With both items of legislation addressed, do we have any citizens 218 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:23,120 concerns? Any any questions for council? 219 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:27,120 Did any council members come with any? All right. and we can stretch our legs a 220 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:30,120 few minutes before we enter executive session. 221 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,120 » Oh, I'm sorry. I did not see you. >> Is this the time where we can stand up 222 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:40,520 and speak? >> Yes. Please come up to the microphone 223 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,520 and 224 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:49,200 give us your name. If you have a a question or comment for council, 225 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:56,240 » it's it's a it's a comment. Uh yesterday on Facebook, this is speaker. 226 00:18:52,400 --> 00:19:04,160 » Um Speculation data centers coming to defiance Ohio. 227 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:11,280 Um data centers Ohio now has currently um probably 200 data centers. The US has 228 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:18,559 currently 400 data centers. This year they want to 3,000 data centers put up 229 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:24,799 in the US. Data centers create air, water, noise, health and energy 230 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:33,039 concerns. Um if a data center is coming to our community, we need advanced 231 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:38,640 warning so we can mitigate the risks and there are many data centers do not 232 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:46,240 provide jobs after the construction phase is done. Small data centers use 15 233 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:53,440 to 20 people. Medium-sized data centers use 30 to 40 people and a large data 234 00:19:49,679 --> 00:20:00,240 center may use a 100 people. Communities that have that Columbus now has almost 235 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:08,799 133 data centers. Many of those communities that have those data centers 236 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:15,600 now regret regret that they are there. Um last week Archbold had a meeting on a 237 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:22,160 data center that is they think could be coming to their area. Over 400 people 238 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:29,440 showed up to that meeting and they did not want the data center. Usually when 239 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:35,440 data centers come into a community, it is rushed through legislation and the 240 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:44,080 community and its citizens do not have time to make sure our air, water, noise, 241 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:50,240 health, and energy needs are met. Energy needs are paid by the citizens in that 242 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:57,120 community unless you can really pin these centers down. And you're talking 243 00:20:52,640 --> 00:21:03,120 about Apple, Google, Meta, um you name it. They got all the money 244 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:10,400 in the world. Yet they want us, the community, to pay to upgrade the energy 245 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:19,600 grid so these centers can can work. A small data center, one data center can 246 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:26,640 be like running a small 20,000 to 30,000 populated city. 247 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:32,880 that will escalate our energy costs. These data centers put off air 248 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:38,880 pollution, very small, tiny air pollution that gets trapped in people's 249 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:44,799 lungs and respiratory system. One data center can use 5 million gallons of 250 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:48,400 water per day, depending on the size. Where is that water going to come from? 251 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:55,039 What are they going to do with the discharge? And how is our city, if one 252 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:59,520 is planning on coming here, how are we going to mitigate that? Where where 253 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:05,440 would we get this water from? Last summer, we went through five months of 254 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:11,120 drought. I watched our rivers lose more and more water. I could walk across the 255 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:15,679 old glaze river and parts of the Miami River, Mommy River by the end of the 256 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:20,960 summer. We do not have an endless supply of 257 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,880 water. So, 258 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:31,039 number one, is this true? I don't know. I Googled it yesterday. I took my 259 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:37,360 computer out, Googled, is there a data center coming to Defiance, Ohio? Guess 260 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:45,360 what it said? Speculative data center coming to Defiance, Ohio somewhere on 261 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:51,120 the road. That's the information I got. But I want to really really stress that 262 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:57,840 if one is coming, citizens need to know about it. We need to be prepared and we 263 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:02,640 need to know h how we're going to mitigate. How are 264 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:09,039 we going to keep our health? How are we going to protect people from the noise? 265 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:14,159 These centers create 247 noise that radiates out two miles. Two miles a 266 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:20,480 constant home. light. There's light pollution. 267 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:25,840 So, you know, these are questions that we need to get 268 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:31,360 in front of rather than behind because believe me, Ohio is fifth fifth in the 269 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:37,760 nation as far as putting into data centers. And and Ohio doesn't care about 270 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:42,799 the science of Ohio. Ohio cares about the big guys. They they're not in it for 271 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:47,280 the little guys. And we are little. And that's why they're coming here. They 272 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:53,400 want the land. They want the water. And they want rural areas because there's 273 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,400 very little push back. 274 00:23:54,799 --> 00:24:02,799 Has anyone on city council heard heard anything? Have you heard about what 275 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:06,480 happened in Archbold last week? It was in the present news. Your 276 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,000 » your time is up. Do you have any wrap-up statements you would like to make before 277 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,880 you're done? >> I just want to know if you heard about 278 00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:16,159 it. Um [clears throat] I read in the 279 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:21,600 crescent that there was a meeting in Archbold. 280 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:25,840 » Yeah. Three to 400 citizens showed up. >> And and because I I would like to do 281 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:30,320 some homework. Uh I I saw that you were referring to notes perhaps information 282 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:34,159 where you gathered about the air, water, noise, and health pollution. Do you have 283 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,360 like a a site that I would be able to go to? 284 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:46,559 » Yeah, I went to the University of uh Utah site. um um 285 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:51,039 uh in in uh in Utah. But this information is all over. 286 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:56,000 » Yeah. It just pops up. >> You made several statements about the 287 00:24:53,279 --> 00:25:00,640 range of noise and light and about contaminants that is minuscule but get 288 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,159 in our lungs and about 5 million gallons and stuff. And what I would like to do 289 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:08,400 is be informed because I got to admit I am not super informed about this. if you 290 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:11,200 were referring to these statistics. I didn't know if there was a site that I 291 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:18,400 could go to in order to do >> site where I got um the water came off 292 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:25,120 of a um environmental and energy institute data on data centers about the 293 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,720 5 million gallons of water. You can Google this and just 294 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:33,840 » Well, no, I I was specifically wanting to know where the statistics that you 295 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:39,919 quoted. Okay. Well, I'll give you one. This one on the 5 million gallons of 296 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,840 water environmental energy institute. >> Okay, 297 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,960 » that's the side I was on. >> Got it. And I'm sorry, I didn't even I 298 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,840 didn't even ask you your name. >> My name's Barb. 299 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,559 » All right. Thank you. And thank you for being our guest this evening. 300 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:01,080 Were there any other citizens concerns before we stretch our legs before 301 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,080 executive session? 302 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,840 All right. Well, then you can take a short break.