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Good morning. My name is Michelle Long Spears. I serve as the presiding officer and district 2 commissioner. Welcome to our January 13th

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business meeting. I'm very excited to see a full house today. We have a lot of important things on our agenda. Today, we are honored to have our inspirational speaker

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be a member of the Board of Commissioner family.

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If Pastor Dimitrius McCoy would please come to the podium, we are very much looking forward

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to your inspiring words this morning.

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And I have to say, as he's making his way up there, he has been our backup presenter on

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many occasions and does a wonderful job for it to hear from you again.

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Good morning, everyone, and good morning to our CEO, our presiding officer, our board.

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I will say that the very first time that I had an opportunity to do this

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inspiration, I was able to do it off of my phone, but now I had to bring an iPad that

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just tells you that I am aging a little bit.

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For just a moment, I want to lift up a thought for all of us in this room to consider,

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I thought that will help us to set the course for this first meeting of 2026.

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The thought is the power of the end-between, the power of the end-between.

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There's a scripture in Exodus that talks about Moses and talks about how he and children

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of Israelites were approached by a body of water and they approached the body of water trying

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to find their way to the other side.

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This body of water was one that was an obstacle before them, but rather than turning around,

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they continued.

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We're living in a season where the issues before us are complex, the expectations are high,

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and the decisions we make carry real consequence.

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moments like this invite urgency, but they also require discernment. This is the first meeting of the year.

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It is the meeting where leadership is set and responsibility is clarified, which places us squarely in the in-between.

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If you can, just make it feel like we're in my church on Sunday morning, you just tell someone on your road the in-between.

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You didn't say it loud enough, say it again, the in-between.

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Which is what has been and what will be.

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Scripture teaches us that histories, most consequential moments and outcomes are shaped not only

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in moments of arrival and resolution, but in the space in-between.

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between danger and deliverance, between fear and faith, between uncertainty and clarity

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the in-between.

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What stood before the people and Moses, which looked like a great threat when they were

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surrounded by what appeared to be dangerous, when they did not know what was laying ahead,

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the end between was really what brought them to the other side.

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At first glance in human eye, if you look at the person next to you,

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they're space in between you. Just look at the person next to you

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and look at the space in between you. The human eye tells us that there is empty space between us.

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We see distance, we assume division, we label difference.

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But what appears empty is often unexamined.

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I would propose that the space in between us, that there are solutions there.

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That the space in between us, there is common ground, not yet discovered there.

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That the space in between us, there is compromise not yet explored there, and in many cases there is peace, quiet, fragile but present in between us.

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There's no song that many of us might have heard by Frankie Beverly and Mays, which says before I let go.

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What often gets overlooked is the wisdom and the title of the song itself.

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It reminds us that there's always a moment before release, before reaction, before decision,

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before action.

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That moment in between is what matters.

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As I come to a close this meeting, I'm a Baptist minister, so that's my first close.

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like it three.

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This meeting exists in between, between one year and the next, between expectation and

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execution, between authority being discussed and authority being exercised.

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Commissioners, you sit as a legislative body and trust it with stewardship, you carry weight,

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your posture sets the tone, and your ability to remain steady in moments of complexity,

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E is itself a public service because leadership is not defined by how quickly power is exercised,

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but how carefully it is handled in the in-between.

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To the public engagement is a side of healthy democracy, participation reflects care.

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Progress is strengthened when passion is paired with patience and concern is matched

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with a willingness to allow space for process and dialogue.

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When leadership and community alike commit

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to working the space in between difference

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and decision, trust is built.

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Moses did not create a miracle by rushing forward

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or by retreating in fear.

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He did so by responding, understanding the power of what was in between, where he was,

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and where he wanted to be.

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If we honor the in between, if we resist the urge to collapse, complexity into conflict,

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If we remain disciplined and posture and purpose, the space between us will become the space we hold in common.

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The power of this moment is not only what we decide, but in how we conduct ourselves while we decide.

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History reminds us that the in-between is where futures are shaped.

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May we be wise enough to recognize the power of the in-between.

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Gracious Lord, we thank you for this opportunity to share an inspiring message.

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But more than that, we asked that you give us the discernment, the peace and the patience,

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to before we react, look at the opportunities in the in-between, let this be a productive

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meeting set us on a path that will be of great success for 2026 as we discover compromise,

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as we discover progress, as we deal with the hard and challenging issues before us, but

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understand even in the in-between, there's still an opportunity for greatness when we work

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together to discover where we can meet in between.

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Christ in my pray and thank you, amen.

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Thank you so much, God bless you.

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Thank you so much.

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And we really appreciate your inspiring words.

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And Pastor Dimitrius McCoy is the pastor

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of the redemption life church.

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Truly appreciate that.

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Again, another round of applause for him.

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Next, we'll move on to our pledge of allegiance,

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what we'll be led by Commissioner Nicole Messiah.

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the

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United States of America and to the Republic,

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what would just stand one nation under God

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and do those at low with liberty and justice for all?

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Today we have one presentation by Spark and I will meet my colleagues

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down by the podium for those that are comfortable.

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Those that are not feel free to stay up here.

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Also while we transition down there,

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just one of the audience to know that if we do run out

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printed agendas. You may find a QR code on the outside wall of this door on my right where you see the exit sign.

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And in addition, there is also an overflow room today, Madam Clerk, just to keep in mind for public comment.

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Thank you. All right. See you all on the floor.

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Thank you all for coming forward. I do need to have to ask.

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You all can just come over here. Yep. To the right and then to the left.

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Hi, how are you doing?

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Hi.

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Thank you, guys.

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We're being here.

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Again, my name is Michelle Longspear.

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As I serve as the presiding officer, and I am truly honored to recognize a single parent

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alliance in Resource Center, also known as Spark, for their outstanding leadership and steadfast commitment to families across

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to Cap County. Spark is a nonprofit organization dedicated to advancing housing stability,

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economic mobility, and the overall well-being of single parent families, and other vulnerable

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households, and our community. What truly distinguishes this organization is its willingness

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to look beyond traditional data and listen closely to families whose experiences are often

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overlooked those that slip through the cracks. Most notably spark recently led the first county-wide study of its kind in the nation.

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I'll repeat that in the nation, examining families living in extended stay hotels and motels.

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These families frequently fall outside traditional definitions of homelessness, which means their needs are often overlooked.

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They're often missing from public data, planning efforts, and policy decisions.

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By addressing this critical gap, spark-brot visibility to a hidden housing reality affecting

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families right here in our own community and all seven of our districts.

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Supported by Georgia State University Center for Health and Homelessness and strengthened

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by dedicated community advocates, such as Joyman Row, who is Executive Director of Spark,

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and Sue Sullivan. This research offers county leaders valuable insight into who these families

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are, where they live, and what they need to not just survive, but to thrive. Just as importantly,

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it provides actionable data-informed recommendation to approve outcomes for children and families.

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Through this work, Spark has helped position the Cab County as a leader in recognizing

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housing instability beyond traditional systems of care, and in responding with compassion,

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evidence, and purpose. On behalf of the Board of Commissioners and the residents of

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the Cab County, it is my honor to present this proclamation today recognizing Spark for elevating

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The voices of families living on the margins and helping them move our county forward.

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On a personal note, I do want to thank Ms. Monroe for inviting me to come out and participate

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in the study.

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I'd also like to recognize Commissioner's Robert Patrick and Ted Terry for being my

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co-sponsors of that study.

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This was a bold move in Dekap County, as my experience of going out and helping them collect this data,

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it was truly eye-opening to the realities that these families live in.

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I've been out to one of the hotels on Memorial Drive twice now.

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The first time I went out there, I watched over 30 children get off a bus and feed into the hotel.

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Last time I was out there, I had a long conversation with an elderly man who has hit problems,

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back problems, toe issues, and the list goes on, and he lives on the third floor of

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a extended stay motel with no elevator, and that's not okay.

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So I want to challenge our community, let's collectively say, that's not okay.

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So for everyone who is not seeing the results of the SPART study, the extended stay hotel study as we refer to it,

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I encourage all of you please to look at it.

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Without further ado, I'd like to invite Joy Monroe, again, the Executive Director,

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could come forward and say a few words, but before she does that,

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if our Madam Clerk would please read the Proclamation into the Rugby.

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Whereas, the single parent alliance and resource center, Spark is a Decav County Survey.

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Building non-profit organization dedicated to advancing housing stability, economic mobility, and family

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well-being for single parent families, and other vulnerable households. And where as families

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with children, living in extended stay hotels and motels often fall outside traditional definitions

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of homelessness and related data collection efforts, resulting in their needs being underrepresented

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and public planning, policy development, and resource allocation.

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And whereas to address this critical data gap,

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spark led the first county-wide study of its kind

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in the nation.

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Examinating families living in extended state motels,

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bringing visibility to an often overlooked housing reality,

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affecting residents of the county.

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And, whereas Georgia State University Center for Health and Homelessness provided essential research

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expertise, methodology guidance, and analytical capacity to ensure the state's data collection

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and findings, metaphors, academic, and ethical standards.

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And, whereas Suze Sullivan, a respected community advocate, championed the effort to bring

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this groundbreaking study to DeCab County,

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amplifying the urgency of addressing the needs of families,

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living in extended state motels, and serving as a catalyst

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for collaboration, trust building, and community engagement

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throughout the project.

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And whereas the findings of this study offered

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DeCab County leaders unprecedented insight into the scope,

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geographic distribution, and lied experiences of families

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residing and extended state motels along with actionable recommendations to strengthen housing

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stability, family well-being and outcomes for children. And whereas this work positions,

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the Camp County as a regional and national leader in recognizing, counting, and responding

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to housing instability beyond traditional systems of care. Now therefore I, presiding officer

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Michelle Long Spears, along with the Board of Commissioners, on the half of the Cap County,

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and it's more than 775,000 citizens, do hereby recognize and command the single parent

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alliance and resource center spark, Georgia State University's Center for Health and Homelessness,

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Sue Sullivan, and partner community leaders, for elevating the voices of families living on

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margins and advanced and compassionate data and form housing solutions and decap county.

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Proclame this 13th day of January, 2026.

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Good morning and thank you.

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One of the things of Spark is single doesn't mean alone.

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It's one of the things that we train our single parents to understand that you have to have

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a network of support.

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And so this study reflects what we believe, because single does not mean alone.

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It's not a study that we did alone.

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It's a study that we did with our trusted partners.

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So Sue and Georgia state, if you could join me?

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Is this the second one?

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We wanted to thank the cab county for the vision

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of seeing the importance of this study

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and of this count and for being visionary enough

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to see the hidden homeless and understand

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that their voice matters and should be at the table as well.

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A very special thanks to Sue Sullivan,

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who tirelessly champions the voice of families that are living and extended stay hotels and

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voices that have been previously unheard. And for Georgia State who worked tirelessly as

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well and rigorously to ensure that the data that was presented to you is data that can withstand

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any test and trust me. They really did that. But also, a special thank you to DeCab County for

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recognizing the need and for partnering with Spark.

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I think it's important sometimes for small and medium-sized non-profits who may see problems

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and think that they have to be a big non-profit, you have to be, you know, national or international

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or statewide or, you know, some major non-profit in order to bring a problem to the forefront.

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And I want to thank the Cabinet for recognizing the problem and being willing to partner

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with Spark and to work with us.

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So thank you, Commissioner Patrick, Commissioner Michelle Long's

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Spears and Commissioner Tateri.

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Thank you for that as well.

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I want to give you guys a minute.

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I just want to add that this, like Joyce said,

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we did not do alone.

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We had 50 volunteers that volunteered with the Georgia State Center

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on Health and Homelessness.

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We were out every weekend for three months.

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And very surprisingly, I think we had like three no shows total.

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And if you have ever worked in volunteer work,

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know that that is unheard of. You're lucky to get 50% of the people that

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sign up and so this really speaks to I think the passion that not only we have

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but that our community has related to this issue. I also just want to give a extra

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big thanks to our team at the Center on Health and Homelessness. We are a small but mighty

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team just like spark and also Sue and so this was a large undertaking but we did

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and I hope all of you all will read the report and be as impacted as we were, as we

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just get what we were all in this hotel.

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For Kai, I mean, now we'll take some photos and Chief of Staff McCoy, if you could come back up,

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so we might pin you. You might have your 87th pin.

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and I'll give you a second point.

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I'll give you a second point.

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All right.

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I need to do it.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

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Sorry about that.

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if I get a chance, if I get a chance, if I get a chance, I get a chance.

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The next portion of our agenda is comments from the public, but before we begin, I would

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like to take a personal point of privilege.

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And thank all of my colleagues, my six commissioner colleagues, for supporting me last year

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unanimously to serve as a presiding officer in 2025.

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Last year was definitely a year.

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And I believe my colleague brought in a cake today.

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And what does it say on the cake?

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We made it to 2026.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Commissioner Patrick.

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That was quite the surprise.

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But while it was an interesting year

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and got a little bit crunchy and spirited,

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we had really hard issues that we were grappling with.

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I am tremendously proud of the accomplishments of this board.

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To name a few, we had two retreats last year,

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one in the beginning part of the year, and one towards the end of the year.

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One of those retreats was in partnership with the CEO.

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The retreat in the fall was really around education

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and convening our fifth floor staff as we refer to our clerks.

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our central staff, our law department, all of us, our teams, our district offices, to really just kind of get together and think about what 20, 26 will look like.

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We also hosted in partnership with the CEO, a work session to develop our legislative agenda.

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We did, I think, a fantastic job.

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So truly a shout out to Mr. John Manson, and also to our lobbyist Dan, who I don't see here today, might be watching us online.

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You guys truly did a wonderful job.

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And all of that led up to a legislative brunch that we hosted at the Capitol.

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We did have a few members of the public join us.

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In addition, I was very proud.

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something I wanted to do since I joined this board back in 23 was to host not one, but two joint

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meetings between the Board of Commissioners and the Board of Education. We had one in the spring

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and one in the fall for everyone who has followed the news. There was a lot going on where

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our school district, and I believe that when times are tough we must stand together, lift each other

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up and help them out. I also worked very hard last year on bringing structure to our commission.

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We implemented several rules to ensure consistency through our meeting to maintain decorum rules such as limiting how long a commissioner can speak, how many presentations we have, the link that those presentations and so on.

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Today, we do have the vote for our presiding officer and deputy presiding officer for

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2026.

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A very much looking look forward to passing the gavel to one of my competent colleagues to serve

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as a presiding officer.

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I believe that we have an opportunity right now with one season commissioner having not

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served as presiding officer and three new commissioners having not served as presiding officer.

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to give folks the opportunity to lead this board and to continue the momentum that we started

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in 2025, every presiding officer brings their own flavor, their own ideas to the Commission.

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Patric was a presiding officer when I came on board. Commissioner Maria Davis Johnson was a

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presiding officer of the year prior to me and I very much look forward to finding out what

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Our new presiding officer does, and watching that individual just develop into our leader.

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All right.

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Moving on to comments from the public if Madam Clerk will please read the instructions

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into the record.

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The purpose of public comment is to allow the public to voice county related requests, concerns

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or opinions during the commission meeting.

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Speakers will only have the opportunity for one public comment per meeting.

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Each speaker must please complete a speaker card and present it to the clerk before the

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beginning of the public comment portion of the meeting.

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Courts turned into the clerk from the time the general meeting is convened, generally

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9am, and by the beginning of public comment portion, generally following presentations on

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the agenda.

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The clerk will accept cards on a first-come-first-seared basis, prior to the clerk's call for

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public comment, speakers who are residents of the camp counting shall be allowed to speak

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before residents of other counties are allowed to speak.

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Speakers will be allowed to speak for three minutes each,

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and public comment should not exceed 30 minutes in length.

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When the buzzer sounds to indicate that time has run out,

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the speaker will be expected to immediately

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see speaking and to yield the podium.

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Those who submitted speaker cars

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but did not speak because of the time development,

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will be allowed to speak first at the next regular

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and scheduled commission meeting

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without regard to residents.

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Sneakers should always talk directly into the microphone and begin by stating their name,

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full address, and the name of the New Organization they represent.

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Abusive, profane, a derogatory language holding up signs, clapping, yelling, standing,

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laying in the house to show support for opposition to a speaker will not be permitted.

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But a show of hands are quietly standing in place will be permitted to show support for

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or opposition to a speaker's position.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk.

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Again, audience, as a reminder,

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if you did not get an agenda printed agenda,

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there's a QR code on the outside wall on my right

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when you go out this auditorium.

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We also have an overflow room.

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We have a lot of people as you see and attendance today.

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I am going to reread one of the statements,

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Madam Clerk just stated regarding our presence

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and our decorum here today that we experience together.

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Abusive.

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Profane or derogatory language, holding up signs, clapping, yelling, standing or laying in the aisles to show support for or opposition to a speaker will not be permitted.

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But as show a hands or quietly standing in place or snapping, we'll be permitted to show support for or opposition to a speaker's position.

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So please folks, let's follow the rules and we unfortunately have had some pretty spirited meetings in the past few months and I really would like for all of us to be able to remain in this room together.

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All right, go ahead and call our first speaker, please.

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We have some citizens from our last meeting at my Tacombo's first.

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Go ahead, ma'am.

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Rebande Cosby.

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Ms. Cosby, are you present today?

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Ms. Cosby.

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Next one.

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Jeff Faultaroi.

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Mr. Faultaroi, are you present?

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Rita, the Lantic.

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Ms. Faultaroi.

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Rita, next speaker.

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Mary Ann Amart.

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Ms. Amad, come on forward, please state your name and address for the record.

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My name is Iman Gadala.

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Wait, wait, hold on. I'm sorry. What is your name? Iman.

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And who did you call?

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Mary Ann Amad.

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Oh, Mary Ann Amad.

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Continue, please.

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Eliza Lasell.

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Eliza, are you present?

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Dr. Eliza Lasell.

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Dr. Lizell, next speaker, Brian Daley, Mr. Daley, next speaker, Stacey Stocks,

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Mr.

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Stocks, next speaker, Eric, and I'm going to spell this because I can't pronounce

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it. It's B-U-L-A-L-A-I-T-E-S. Eric, are you with us today?

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Seeing no Eric, next speaker.

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Okay.

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Dating Douglas.

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Are you present with us?

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Nope.

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Brandon Brown.

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Mr. Brown.

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Continue.

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Stephen Benny.

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Mr. Benny.

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We know you're here.

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Welcome to the podium, sir.

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And happy New Year, Mr. Benny.

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Good morning, commissioners.

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Thank you for your kind words about Betty Arlington last week.

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she touched a lot of hearts during her time, and her life here with the cab county, including mine.

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Congratulations, Mr. Darnell Fullam on your appointment as Director of Public Safety.

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It is well-deserved, but I have to agree with the commission, finding you in a coat and tie will be harder than playing

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where's Waldo with my grandson.

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Dr. Martin Luther King was, is still a great man, but his dreams seem farther away than ever.

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As people gain wealth and position in life, they tend to become more interested in keeping what they have instead of helping elevate those less fortunate than themselves.

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If the poor and homeless are out of sight, they appear to be out of mind.

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All the things Dr. King fought for during his life are disappearing in the same age, including voting rights among other things.

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Dr. King wished for a day when all of us could be judged by the color of would not be judged by the color of our skin,

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by the content of our character. In today's world it seems we are judged by both the color of

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our skin and the content of our character, and that allows things to get very ugly. I have

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hopes that as individuals and as a society we can be better. On a smaller scale, I have some

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dreams for the cab county as we enter 2026. As we are on day two of the legislative session,

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I dream that the charter review recommendations will be ready for submission to the

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Decable Legislative delegation by the end of January so that the people will finally

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be able to vote on them in November.

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I dream that entrenchment Creek Park will be open to the public by the end of March for

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the spring and summer seasons.

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I also hope we reach an agreement with Ryan Wilson, Ryan no slap are taking the court.

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I dream the county realizes it is a mistake to do business with a company like Sky Harper who is likely not surviving the coming recession.

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I dream of the data center zoning resolution that limits the possible use of campus-sized data centers to heavy industrial areas,

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so that none of our neighbors and friends have to deal with that.

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I dream of a budget process that can be finished by the end of the year instead of carrying on until two months into our fiscal year, and we don't have to borrow money anymore to run our government.

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I dream of a world where the cab county no longer has to do million dollar contracts with the rain, Renee Group.

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I dream of finally resolving our issues with Mr. Vaughan Irons and with the ethics board and that the law department will finally come to some kind of conclusion or compromise.

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And finally, I dream of a county commission that can work together in a constructive and cooperative way for the betterment of its citizens as improbable as that seems.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, next speaker, please.

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Roslan McIntyre.

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Welcome to podium, please state your name and address for the record.

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Good morning, Roslan McIntyre, the CAP County.

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Let's talk about transparency.

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High-posed scale data centers are substantial economic investments.

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But whether the return on investments to local governments from incentive packages, tax

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of bakedments and utilitarian rate reductions,

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will be a substantial win-win for both parties is highly debated.

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The data sent an industry has embraced secrecy, hiding behind non-disclosure agreements and LLCs.

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And minutes-day governments have enabled such packages to attract promises of economic boom to tax revenue and job creation.

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So are they really economic does that strain local resources and shift costs to taxpayers despite promises of community funding benefits?

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Northern Virginia known as the world's data center capital, a 2020-24 legislative audit

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examined the economic impact of the data center sales tax exemptions and concluded that

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on average, the state collected only 48 cents for every $1.00 in tax revenue for the

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use 2014 to 2023. In Georgia, the CLEC Center for Economic Growth at UGA in 2016 has cautioned

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The economic forecast regarding the effective incentives versus revenue growth may prove

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underwhelming, quote, unfortunately, research shows that in most states only a portion

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of newly created jobs go to target residents, though the economic impact of billions of

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dollars in capital investment by data centers is undeniable.

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their long-term employment and induced economic impact may be much smaller than

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imagine. Data centers do create high, do create high-paying jobs, but

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employment numbers are low. In 2026, Alex Davis, the largest tech investment

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company CEO wrote the following to his investors, and I quote, while I continue to

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believe on going to advance Ms. and AI technology present once in a lifetime

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investment opportunity, I also continue to see risks and reason for caution and investment

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discipline. The build it and they will come strategy is a trap. If you are a hyper scale that

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you are on your own data centers, we foresee significant financing crisis in 2027 through 2028

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for speculative landlords. We want to back the owner users, not the speculative landlords,

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and we are quite concerned for their stress on the system.

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You were elected as stewards to protect our communities, not to be complicit with the

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billionaires who rape and pillage our communities because the leaders are too amateuristic

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identify the ultimate goals.

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Will you be transparent, be transparent in the tax abatements and utility rate reductions

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you promised the investors so the public can objectively assess the true economic impact

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run the economic analysis before any contracts are signed.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker, please.

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Joan Monroe.

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Welcome to the podium, please.

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State your name and address for the record.

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Good morning.

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Joan Monroe district four.

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In brief, very brief.

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I applied to the annex from the city of Stone Mountain.

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Due to my exposing an illegal contract entered by the City of Turny with Padsblid and having

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complained about corruption in the city, I'm being retaliated against.

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The City of Turny is insisting that I provide documentation for annexation procedure rather

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than deannexation procedure.

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I know of two other citizens who have deannexed without any problems whatsoever.

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I followed all the law requires to deannix and more.

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All my paperwork is in order.

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I believe the city does not want my petition letter to become public.

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The city is stonewalling me.

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The city flunked the 2024 audit and they're looking for bonds.

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According to current state law, the city has no right to hold up my petition.

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This is not only abuse of a citizen, but elder abuse.

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Some of you are aware of my plight, but as of now, the city is still acting outside the law and appears to be much of the time.

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I ask for your assistance in bringing resolve.

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As an aside, January 1st around 12.30 a.m.

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I heard automatic and semi-automatic gunfire and considered very dangerous.

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I called 911 and asked if the operator asked if I saw who was shooting, I said no, it's not safe to go outside when you hear automatic gunfire, I'm sitting inside away from the windows.

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I gave her the address it was coming from. I finally headed for bed. Later that day I noticed a text from 911 asking for a video.

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I obviously had none and I doubt anyone ever showed up.

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Thank you.

454
00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:24,610
Thank you.

455
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:25,450
Next speaker, please.

456
00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:26,570
Larry Foster.

457
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:27,990
Welcome, Mr. Foster.

458
00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:29,750
State your name and address for the record.

459
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:32,170
Good morning, commissioners.

460
00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:35,030
I'm Larry Foster, a 48-year resident of unincorporated

461
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:38,310
DeCab County living at 25-72 rain-free drive.

462
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:42,130
I hope you had a wonderful holiday and now are ready to start

463
00:41:42,130 --> 00:41:46,110
the new year by pursuing a new intellectual challenge with me.

464
00:41:46,110 --> 00:42:00,990
I'm going to discuss one of the biggest scam arguments that Sky Harbor has used to try to convince the BLC to approve its sweetheart deal to lease valuable county owned property at PDK airport for up to 50 years.

465
00:42:01,830 --> 00:42:04,990
First, however, one word you need to know is sophistry.

466
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:12,950
The dictionary defines sophistry as a clever and plausible but false and unsound argument intended to mislead.

467
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:18,650
that perfectly describes Sky Harbor's clever but false claims that because of aircraft

468
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:23,750
repositioning, more fully explained below, building the new Sky Harbor hangers for

469
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:30,250
more than 100 new jets to base at PDK would not significantly increase PDK's disruptive

470
00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:31,310
flight operations.

471
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:42,930
The question of the appropriate additional number of flight operations of the approximate

472
00:42:42,930 --> 00:42:49,630
would bring to PDK. Should have been easy to answer because the 2040 PDK master plan produced by

473
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:55,150
PDK's go-to consultant, Baker International, had already estimated that on average each

474
00:42:55,150 --> 00:43:01,030
additional aircraft-based at PDK produces an average of 125 additional flight operations annually.

475
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:06,590
The prospect of so many additional larger, noisier and more polluting flight operations at PDK

476
00:43:06,590 --> 00:43:12,170
outrates to concern public and led more than 3,200 people who are already bothered by PDK

477
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:17,750
flights to sign a petition opposing the new PDK hangers. To try to counteract these serious

478
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:23,570
public concerns sky harbour developed a complex and misleading airport repositioning argument.

479
00:43:23,930 --> 00:43:28,790
It was that if a jet-based at another airport wanted to fly into PDK to pick up passengers,

480
00:43:29,310 --> 00:43:34,350
take them to another location, bring them back to PDK, and then fly back to its own airport

481
00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:40,310
That took four flights, but if that same aircraft were based at the new Sky Harbor hangers,

482
00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:43,350
its flights could be cut in half. Wow, great.

483
00:43:44,590 --> 00:43:48,650
What Sky Harbor didn't say was how many such flights took place at PDK.

484
00:43:48,830 --> 00:43:54,390
Steve Vinny, Vinny's PLC public comment on December 9th produced that solid factual evidence.

485
00:43:54,690 --> 00:44:03,410
He reported that over the past 30 years of PDK operations, only 1% of PDK flights involved airport repositioning.

486
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:09,750
That was a minuscule number that would almost have no impact at all on overall flight numbers.

487
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:19,930
In short, sky harbors, ingenious and elaborate sophistry about the potential reduction in PDK flight operations due to airport repositioning was a complete scam.

488
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:32,470
Shame on sky harbors for engaging in such deception and shame on the commissioners for being taken in in such nonsense and believing that the dramatic proposed infrastructures at PDK airport.

489
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:40,090
Would not damage the lives and well-being of more than a tenth of the

490
00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:44,250
capacity. Thank you, Sarah. You've exhausted your time. I.T. Obviously, our buzzers

491
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:48,850
not working. Okay. Next speaker, please. Karen Devon, Port.

492
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:51,370
Welcome to the podium.

493
00:44:54,660 --> 00:44:57,760
The morning commissioners. My name is Karen Devon, Port.

494
00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:59,980
And today, I'm speaking to you, Rip.

495
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Presenting the Decab Democratic Committee. I really appreciate all of the efforts that the commission

496
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:13,700
makes in seriously considering all of the matters that impact us as citizens. Today, you will

497
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:22,060
be looking at a resolution 2025, 0390. And I wanted to clearly state that our committee

498
00:45:22,060 --> 00:45:28,900
is very much in support of this resolution. Particularly is important, I think, as a support

499
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:36,540
who are police that really, really are trying hard to serve us as a community. By establishing

500
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:44,400
this community advisory board, we think that it will give insight and information to our

501
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:51,600
police. It's kind of hard to understand what someone in an LGBTQ community or homeless community

502
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:58,000
or an immigrant community actually experience unless you are actually in that community. So

503
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,180
have an award that can share valuable information to our police.

504
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:07,900
We think we'll help in transparency and helping them better do their job.

505
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:15,540
So please consider positive action on the resolution 2025-0390.

506
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:16,800
Thank you.

507
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:18,040
Thank you for your comments.

508
00:46:18,340 --> 00:46:19,120
Next speaker, please.

509
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:20,180
Steve Parker.

510
00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:21,820
Welcome, Mr. Parker.

511
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:23,560
Please state your name and address for the record.

512
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
My name is Steve Parker.

513
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:31,740
I live at 590 East Freeman Street, indicator, right in this neighborhood.

514
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:42,560
I'm speaking in support of 2025, I'm sorry, Bill, Resolution 2025-0390 that the

515
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,540
staff in port was just discussing.

516
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:51,220
I'd like to thank commissioners, Terry and their staff and commissioner of Bolton for assisting

517
00:46:51,220 --> 00:46:57,960
the LGBT community and understanding the hate crimes identification training program within

518
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:04,620
the Decab County Police Department. We'd like to thank Chief Patrick and the Decab County Police

519
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:11,980
Department for providing more details about that program. We are very pleased that the Department

520
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:18,440
will incorporate a dedicated LGBTQ plus awareness training course that will be required of all

521
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:22,360
to warn personnel beginning this March, 2006.

522
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:23,940
Thank you so much for that.

523
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:29,810
A community advisory board promotes trust and law enforcement,

524
00:47:30,790 --> 00:47:32,810
provides transparency and accountability,

525
00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:36,390
and serves as a collaborative sounding board

526
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:39,790
that provides feedback on community concerns, policies,

527
00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:41,770
and engagement strategies.

528
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:46,990
This enhances relationships between the police department

529
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:49,650
and the various communities it serves.

530
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:53,950
appointees would represent a diverse cross-section of

531
00:47:53,950 --> 00:47:57,070
the CAD County's communities that bring knowledge,

532
00:47:57,450 --> 00:48:00,830
experience, and commitment to fostering constructive community

533
00:48:00,830 --> 00:48:01,610
concerns.

534
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:09,690
We hope that an advisory board would include representation

535
00:48:09,690 --> 00:48:15,070
from the LGBTQ plus community, the immigrant community,

536
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:19,250
the homeless community, and many, many others.

537
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:29,670
My trans friends will tell you that they avoid exposure to the police department, because they fear violence and mistreatment.

538
00:48:30,990 --> 00:48:35,250
This is about education and collaboration with the police department.

539
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:37,210
Thank you for your consideration.

540
00:48:38,110 --> 00:48:39,550
Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please.

541
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:41,170
Carol, I'm on.

542
00:48:41,950 --> 00:48:44,790
Welcome to the podium. Please state your name and address for the record.

543
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:48,310
Good morning, my name is Caroline Amman.

544
00:48:48,910 --> 00:48:51,150
I am the educator community.

545
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:55,430
I am, I want to speak on two things.

546
00:48:55,550 --> 00:49:01,510
First, I do want to congratulate Sue Sullivan and Joy for their recognition.

547
00:49:02,530 --> 00:49:08,190
Another hat I wear is I have a nonprofit bookmobile and I've gone to the extended

548
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:12,750
state motels and worked with the kids there and something to keep in mind is that when

549
00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:17,170
kids are there, and they have to leave that location because they can't pay for it anymore.

550
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:19,330
They also often have to leave their school.

551
00:49:20,110 --> 00:49:27,230
And so those families and those children suffer from being so behind in their reading that

552
00:49:28,170 --> 00:49:32,770
several kids I actually started to teach to read that were like in third or fourth grade.

553
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,750
So thank you all for working on that.

554
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:37,710
That is awesome.

555
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:39,350
That is so, so great.

556
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:46,790
I am also, the other had I wear is I'm the head of the Decatur Community for the Decab Democrats.

557
00:49:47,170 --> 00:49:54,090
That's about nine voting precincts and I'm here in support of my super great friends, Eve Parker.

558
00:49:55,050 --> 00:50:08,130
And I want to speak about the resolution I also do want to thank the Decab Police Department for having a training required training for their sworn personnel beginning in 2026.

559
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:14,550
with an awareness around LGBTQ plus issues and sensitivity.

560
00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:23,350
Pastor McCoy spoke about the space in between, and having a community advisory board

561
00:50:23,350 --> 00:50:28,010
is a bridge in that space in between.

562
00:50:28,050 --> 00:50:36,270
He spoke about how inside that space in between, sometimes you see distance in distance implies

563
00:50:36,270 --> 00:50:41,530
division and division makes you assume things about the other folks that are on the other side

564
00:50:41,530 --> 00:50:46,910
of you that those assumptions may not actually even beat their assumptions, they're not necessarily

565
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:47,550
true.

566
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:57,130
And so trust is lost and you don't have the ability to build that trust, but a advisory board,

567
00:50:57,390 --> 00:51:02,390
think about it all and advisory board with people from all these different communities that

568
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:05,810
to talk about their issues and the things that are having

569
00:51:05,810 --> 00:51:08,770
presenting difficulties for them, they would be heard.

570
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:11,590
They would be heard by the police force.

571
00:51:11,930 --> 00:51:15,350
And the police, they don't want to do a bad job.

572
00:51:16,190 --> 00:51:17,590
They don't want to do that.

573
00:51:17,610 --> 00:51:18,550
They want to understand.

574
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:21,990
And so this advisory board would help build that understanding.

575
00:51:22,350 --> 00:51:24,590
And inside that understanding, trust would be built.

576
00:51:24,970 --> 00:51:27,110
And maybe trans people wouldn't be afraid

577
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:28,050
of the police anymore.

578
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:31,450
Maybe there'd be education and community

579
00:51:31,450 --> 00:51:35,830
in collaboration and all the things that we all want as residents of DeCab County.

580
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:41,890
So I know you guys are, I know you guys have been working on this and you've been looking

581
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:45,630
at this and I appreciate it and hopefully we can move forward.

582
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:46,850
Thank you.

583
00:51:47,410 --> 00:51:48,610
Thank you, next speaker, please.

584
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:57,170
Our next speaker is Joel and I am not able to pronounce the last name, or to spell it.

585
00:51:57,550 --> 00:51:58,070
It's good to know.

586
00:51:58,170 --> 00:51:58,510
Good morning.

587
00:51:58,510 --> 00:51:59,370
Have a new year.

588
00:51:59,450 --> 00:52:00,170
Thank you.

589
00:52:00,170 --> 00:52:03,350
My name is Joe Edwards, is that who you're calling?

590
00:52:03,970 --> 00:52:07,390
Is it Joe Edwards?

591
00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:11,760
State your address, please.

592
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,060
21 29.

593
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,060
That's the right answer.

594
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:15,960
Okay, fantastic.

595
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:18,520
Okay, can you give me a turn back please?

596
00:52:18,780 --> 00:52:19,500
There you go.

597
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:23,660
Let me say one thing.

598
00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:26,040
I'm a country boy.

599
00:52:27,220 --> 00:52:29,220
I moved to the cab to Atlanta.

600
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,280
I'm sorry to Georgia in 1966.

601
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,220
to six, and I have moved from Lake Charles, the Louisiana.

602
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,280
Lake Charles, Louisiana, sets along in the state 10.

603
00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:41,820
30 miles from Texas Board.

604
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,820
Yeah, Paul Mount Texas, Paul Route the Texas,

605
00:52:45,340 --> 00:52:47,780
Lake Charles, Badman Rules, New Orleans,

606
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,200
that whole section of the state is considered

607
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,220
cancer alley.

608
00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:59,330
A lot of my folks have died.

609
00:52:59,330 --> 00:53:13,010
because of the big establishments and the money that these companies have invested for themselves.

610
00:53:14,850 --> 00:53:14,930
Okay?

611
00:53:16,570 --> 00:53:18,450
Now we're here in the care county.

612
00:53:18,450 --> 00:53:33,150
have want to establish a data center that's going to impact me, us, my family, environmentally.

613
00:53:35,290 --> 00:53:43,550
We do not need this. We voted for commissioners to represent we the people.

614
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:51,910
That's what we want, and let me warn you, election time is coming, okay?

615
00:53:52,830 --> 00:54:06,130
And if you are a Joan, come together with us and to attend to our needs and join us

616
00:54:06,130 --> 00:54:13,210
And stopping this data center, that's going to be some repercussion in the ballot box.

617
00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:21,510
Now, I would like to say that we support Super District Six Commission, the Territory,

618
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:31,110
is proposing to fund and conduct a health impact study, and an environmental study

619
00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:40,270
during the next 12 months to determine the impact of large-scale data center on the Cab County

620
00:54:40,270 --> 00:54:40,890
services.

621
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:50,170
Wow, Super District 7 Commissioner, Ladine of Oceans, vigorously, attempt to discredit

622
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:58,350
the source provided in the white paper produced and submitted by Renewed the Cab.

623
00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:09,210
the county has provided no research at all at all. We have an attorney, we have a

624
00:55:09,210 --> 00:55:15,930
scientist, we have an engineer on this board, and you're having done a study,

625
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:18,540
okay?

626
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,740
You're having done a study. That's, that's, this is the sense of the citizen to

627
00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:28,540
care of county. And we want something done in the body. Now like I said before, we are

628
00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:29,680
Thank you, sir.

629
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:30,080
Thank you, sir.

630
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:30,780
All the town.

631
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:32,300
Thank you very much.

632
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:33,080
All right.

633
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:33,520
Cheryl.

634
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,480
Definitely.

635
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:35,400
Cheryl.

636
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,460
Miss Dudley.

637
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:39,060
Please come to the podium.

638
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:41,240
State your name and address for the record.

639
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:46,530
Good morning.

640
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:47,690
Cheryl Dudley.

641
00:55:49,070 --> 00:55:50,690
Countryside East subdivision.

642
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:52,270
Stone Mountain, Georgia.

643
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:54,590
Happy New Year, everyone.

644
00:55:55,350 --> 00:55:55,910
Not changed.

645
00:55:55,970 --> 00:55:57,910
What I was going to say actually three times.

646
00:55:58,130 --> 00:56:02,430
I came here for something personal, but I'm very glad I came here.

647
00:56:02,430 --> 00:56:10,650
because I was not aware of the SPART study and what SPART does, but I can key and I think that's

648
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:11,130
wonderful.

649
00:56:12,490 --> 00:56:19,570
Again, the home was population in these extended stay hotels, and it's very interesting.

650
00:56:20,070 --> 00:56:26,750
I also attended a cab election board meetings every month, I've done that for the past year

651
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:35,830
or more, and I'm happy to say that that board meeting ended with, again, I always messed

652
00:56:35,830 --> 00:56:43,630
up the pronunciation here with Mr. Obama-Raman, talking about trying to, again, as you

653
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:53,570
say, the parents of these children in order to be able to, again, further get more items

654
00:56:53,570 --> 00:56:59,290
and they need to be make sure that they are in franchise.

655
00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:07,150
And that's what he said about the Decava election board meetings this year, all these

656
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:15,770
folks that are in these extended state motels or hotels and other places need to be

657
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:23,250
assured that they can register to vote, which right now, unfortunately, the state of Georgia's

658
00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:31,870
to make it more difficult for people to vote, try to suppress their vote by passing those

659
00:57:31,870 --> 00:57:38,430
laws and putting them in the Constitution after 2020, which again, an election proved

660
00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:47,950
Zillion times was a legal election. So that would be great. Maybe a study can be done or something

661
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:56,130
along the lines or with the election board to make sure those folks are registered to vote

662
00:57:57,290 --> 00:58:04,430
because they're, you're disenfranchising a whole lot of people and again for a reminder

663
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:09,530
that I always say, I've had to say last year if this, I'll have election board meetings,

664
00:58:10,270 --> 00:58:17,110
people died in order to get the right to vote and now we seem to be at the point where we're

665
00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:25,150
trying to disenfranchise people as much as possible have individual people trying to look at

666
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:31,830
you talk about data centers, people's individual data so that they can take them off the

667
00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:37,730
voting roles. So that's what we need to work on if we truly want to have this democracy

668
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:42,740
continue and I'll leave my personal thing to the another time. Thank you.

669
00:58:42,740 --> 00:58:44,960
Thank you very much, next speaker.

670
00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:46,440
Jan Dunneway.

671
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:47,860
Welcome, Ms. Dunneway.

672
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,540
State your name and address for the record.

673
00:58:55,650 --> 00:58:58,130
I am Jan Dunneway, 4672,

674
00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:59,850
Phelswood, Drives to Mountain.

675
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:03,270
I have supplied the planning department, staff,

676
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:06,010
and each member of the Board of Commissioners,

677
00:59:06,670 --> 00:59:07,930
information and documentation,

678
00:59:08,810 --> 00:59:11,390
regarding the Loveless Place Data Center.

679
00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:15,910
Which in itself should be enough to deny the sub-application.

680
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:24,690
standing beside me is a homeowner of Ophil Road in Clayton County. As I've said, these are

681
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:30,910
people I went to high school with and I know them. They don't have a voice at this table.

682
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:36,810
He can't speak, but I'm going to speak for him. And for all the people of Ophil Road in Clayton

683
00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:47,110
County. Clayton County has not given permission to use either O-Fill Road for this site

684
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:52,510
or to use their water, which would come from Clayton County. I have supplied you with

685
00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:58,910
that information. This application has been misrepresented by their slip application that

686
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:59,970
It's for a 1 million-

687
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,340
One square foot, when in fact, it's for two millions square foot, data center that has the applicant himself

688
01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:10,060
supplied that information.

689
01:00:13,140 --> 01:00:16,440
This means more water, more electricity,

690
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:21,280
and we don't want it.

691
01:00:21,540 --> 01:00:26,400
See the growth doesn't want it. Clayton County doesn't want it, and the citizens of

692
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,340
have do not want this massive data center in their area.

693
01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:40,560
We are asking that you deny it, outright, just deny it, and to follow the planning

694
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,420
staff's recommendation for denial.

695
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:51,520
Now I also want to mention, I want to ask, when in the world are we going to get back to

696
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,240
the main room of the Louvre auditorium?

697
01:00:54,080 --> 01:01:01,320
Parking is so bad, it is no access really for Marta for us older folks who can't walk

698
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,320
that far and so I'd like to know when that's going to happen.

699
01:01:05,660 --> 01:01:10,220
I also want to remind you that closed loop water systems use chemicals.

700
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:19,120
These chemicals have to be removed from the water before they can be returned into the water cycle.

701
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,060
Our water cycle is what keeps us alive.

702
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:26,240
And we need clean fresh water to do that.

703
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:33,560
This is an issue, we need to work on it, and we also need to put this zoning into a development

704
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:40,100
part of our code, so there's some way to follow up and hold them accountable.

705
01:01:40,940 --> 01:01:47,280
Thank you for me, thank you for the people of Elfiel Road, and thank you for Clayton County.

706
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,180
Next speaker please.

707
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,060
I last speaker will be Dr. Bagelsky.

708
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:55,740
Dr. Bagelsky.

709
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:57,260
All right, please come forward.

710
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:58,620
State your name and address for the weather.

711
01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:04,680
Testing.

712
01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:09,620
Good morning, chair and members of the

713
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:11,800
DeCab County Board of Commissioners.

714
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:12,800
My name is Dr.

715
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,320
Kendra Fultz Bagelsky and I'm a resident of

716
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,100
Unincorporated DeCab County,

717
01:02:19,260 --> 01:02:23,260
as well as chair of the DeCab County Republican Party.

718
01:02:23,260 --> 01:02:30,660
I appreciate the opportunity to speak today as a concerns citizen who values public safety,

719
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,200
accountability, and responsible use of taxpayer resources.

720
01:02:36,260 --> 01:02:41,760
I'm deeply troubled by Commissioner Ted Terry's recent newsletter sent under the

721
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,220
DeCab County Mass Ted, which condemns the tragic incident involving

722
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:55,020
nice agents and Minneapolis and proposes a resolution to withdraw tactical federal immigration

723
01:02:55,020 --> 01:03:03,120
enforcement operations from our neighborhoods. While I mourn any loss of life, this focus

724
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:11,660
on events outside our county and state using official county channels ignores the pressing crisis

725
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:18,960
right here at home. According to the DeCab County Police Department's 2024 Annual Report,

726
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:27,100
127 people were murdered in our county last year, and 172 residents were victims of

727
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:36,140
forceable rape. Tens of thousands more endured assaults, robberies, and thus. These are

728
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:45,640
Our neighbors, our families, suffering and silence while resources are diverted to message on events beyond our jurisdiction.

729
01:03:46,820 --> 01:04:00,900
As a resident, I strongly support federal agents working collaboratively with local law enforcement to apprehend criminals who pose real threats to our communities.

730
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:09,440
This is about upholding the rule of law and protecting to cab residents, not hindering

731
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,840
federal efforts that keep us safe.

732
01:04:12,860 --> 01:04:17,540
Commissioner Terry's Resolution and Newsletter appeared in misuse, taxpayer funded

733
01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:20,620
resources for a personal agenda.

734
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,500
This raises serious ethical questions and roads public trust.

735
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:43,740
I urge the Board to reject Commissioner Terry's walk-on proposed resolution and to instead take actions to prevent taxpayer-funded communications from being misused on divisive political posturing.

736
01:04:43,740 --> 01:04:51,120
What the cab county deserves is leaders who address the violence, destroying our neighborhoods,

737
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,820
with the same urgency as distinct causes.

738
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,920
Thank you for your time and service.

739
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,160
Thank you very much.

740
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,240
That does exhaust our speakers.

741
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:03,540
Madam Clerk?

742
01:05:04,020 --> 01:05:04,240
Yes.

743
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:07,420
We have 11 more, but the time has run out.

744
01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:07,920
Understood.

745
01:05:08,660 --> 01:05:09,040
All right.

746
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,660
Thank you all so much members of our audience today for following the rules.

747
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,680
I, this works, I truly appreciate it.

748
01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:21,260
Madam Clerk, if you please read the instructions for public hearing and to the record.

749
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:27,380
Citizens may speak for or against an item that is considered by law to be a zoning ordinance.

750
01:05:27,860 --> 01:05:30,760
And each side will have 10 minutes to present its case.

751
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,920
Citizens may also speak for or against an item that is placed on the public hearing agenda,

752
01:05:36,300 --> 01:05:38,080
but it's not a zoning ordinance.

753
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,000
In that case, each side will have five minutes to present its case.

754
01:05:42,460 --> 01:05:45,100
In the event there is more than one speaker per side,

755
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,000
speakers must divide their time in order to complete their full presentation

756
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,000
within the ten-minute time-alotment or the five-minute time-alotment.

757
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,300
When the buzzer sounds indicate that time has run out,

758
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,980
the speaker would be expected to immediately see speaking

759
01:05:58,980 --> 01:06:00,880
and to leave the podium area.

760
01:06:01,420 --> 01:06:04,480
Perhaps speaking, a speaker should complete a speaker card

761
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,460
and presented when approaching the podium.

762
01:06:06,460 --> 01:06:11,500
If a speaker has any documents for the commissioners, the speaker shall provide 10 copies

763
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:12,660
when approaching the podium.

764
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:18,220
7 copies of the commissioners and remaining copies of the planning director, the county attorney

765
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:19,020
and the clerk.

766
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:24,340
In all zoning ordinance and traffic common cases, staff shall make their recommendation

767
01:06:24,340 --> 01:06:30,280
for action to the commission, first followed by applicants or citizen speaking in favour

768
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,040
of the item.

769
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:36,020
Applicants in zoning ordinance cases shall have the right to reserve time for rebuttal.

770
01:06:36,020 --> 01:06:43,440
Opponents of the zoning ordinance items show have no right of rebuttal, but all other items placed on the public hearing agenda,

771
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:50,220
applicants or citizens speaking in favor of the item, shall speak first, followed by the opponents of the item.

772
01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:56,360
Once the citizens have finished speaking, staff shall make a recommendation for action to the commission.

773
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:04,180
At this point, citizens are no longer allowed to speak unless call to the podium, but an individual commissioner to answer questions,

774
01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:06,040
or provide information.

775
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,300
Speaker should always talk directly to the microphone

776
01:07:09,300 --> 01:07:12,080
and begin by stating their name, address,

777
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,640
and the name of any organization they represent.

778
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,020
Abusive, profane, a derogatory language will not be permitted.

779
01:07:19,740 --> 01:07:22,740
Holding up signs, clapping, yelling, standing,

780
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,940
or laying in the aisles to show support for

781
01:07:25,940 --> 01:07:28,500
a opposition to a speaker will not be permitted.

782
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:31,980
But a show of hands are quietly standing in place

783
01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:37,720
We'll be permitted to show support for opposition to a speaker's position.

784
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,080
Thank you, Madam Clerk.

785
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:45,160
Our first planning and sustainability public hearing item is a district to sponsored item.

786
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,920
So I have passed the gavel to our deputy presiding officer Messiah.

787
01:07:49,740 --> 01:07:51,100
Thank you so much, Madam Peo.

788
01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:55,160
That is agenda item 2024-0815.

789
01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:57,820
All commission districts of resolution to amend.

790
01:07:57,820 --> 01:08:09,980
Chapter 27 to reduce the minimum square unit size for single-family dwelling units and single-family are a 75 residential medium lot 75 and our 85 residential

791
01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:13,340
middle medium lot 85 zoning districts

792
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:18,580
Great morning, Ms. Bragg. Good morning

793
01:08:18,580 --> 01:08:28,160
Rachel Bragg. Planning manager the staff recommendation of the item is withdrawal or denial of the ordinance as currently written. Thank you.

794
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:37,280
Thank you so much, and do we have anyone that would like to speak in support of this agenda item?

795
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:43,370
Great morning.

796
01:08:44,790 --> 01:08:45,470
Good morning.

797
01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:47,750
My name is Gina Mangam.

798
01:08:47,770 --> 01:08:50,090
I live into Cab County.

799
01:08:50,490 --> 01:08:57,370
I'm not sure why they're recommending denial, but I support the denial of reducing the minimum

800
01:08:57,370 --> 01:09:04,730
lot size, I think it should be determined on a project by project basis and that the character

801
01:09:04,730 --> 01:09:10,770
of existing neighborhood should be considered before they reduce lot sizes.

802
01:09:11,290 --> 01:09:11,890
Thank you.

803
01:09:12,030 --> 01:09:16,850
Thank you so much, Ms. Magnum, is there anyone else that would like to speak in support

804
01:09:16,850 --> 01:09:18,310
of this agenda item?

805
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:24,260
Great morning, Ms. Vinnie.

806
01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:31,840
Good morning. Stephen Benny, 1083 civil drive Clarkston, Georgia. I have lived in a house

807
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,520
It's about 1,200 feet, a little bit more.

808
01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:38,100
It was a three bedroom to bath.

809
01:09:38,940 --> 01:09:40,800
It has a large family room.

810
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:46,600
I was very easily able to raise three children in that house.

811
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:51,820
And I believe now the minimum of 1,600 or 1,800 is to

812
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:53,660
cab county a place for mansions.

813
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:54,260
Is that it?

814
01:09:54,340 --> 01:09:55,840
You have to have a mansion now.

815
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,260
We have a lot of poor people who need housing.

816
01:09:59,260 --> 01:10:05,580
And you are up there constantly waving your hand saying, we want to help the poor.

817
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:12,520
We just had the, we had the hotel people here talking about how they can't find any housing.

818
01:10:13,220 --> 01:10:16,640
Well, they're not going to find any housing in an 1,800 foot home.

819
01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:19,200
They're never going to be able to afford it.

820
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:26,180
You need to do something about it and withdrawing or denying this is not going to help.

821
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,380
Thank you very much.

822
01:10:27,380 --> 01:10:34,240
Thank you so much. The next and the visual like to speak in four and supporting this agenda item.

823
01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:40,690
Is there anyone else that would like to speak in support of this agenda item?

824
01:10:43,130 --> 01:10:47,330
Just went aloud for an opportunity if there's anyone in overflow that would like to comment.

825
01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:57,160
Seeing none. Is there anyone that would like to speak in opposition to this agenda item?

826
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:10,300
a question. Is support supporting the recommendation?

827
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,740
Or is the item itself? So,

828
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:23,780
now we're calling for people that are in opposition of this agenda item. It is 2044-0-815

829
01:11:23,780 --> 01:11:30,300
first page of our agenda. So, now we're calling for folks that are in opposition of passing

830
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:35,740
of this agenda item, or voting in favor of this agenda item.

831
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:44,080
Okay, so I want to state that I'm opposed to just having a blanket.

832
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:50,760
It's okay to reduce the minimum, but it should be considered by, on a case by case basis.

833
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,240
Thank you so much, is there anyone else in opposition of this agenda item?

834
01:12:01,110 --> 01:12:03,550
Anyone else in opposition?

835
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,880
Seeing none, Ms. Brad, can you come back and share this

836
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,060
staff's recommendation?

837
01:12:13,020 --> 01:12:14,160
Yes, this staff?

838
01:12:14,740 --> 01:12:15,100
Yes.

839
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:19,040
It's green.

840
01:12:19,900 --> 01:12:20,740
Any questions again?

841
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:24,260
Check, Charlie.

842
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:25,360
Yes.

843
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,300
The staff recommendation is for withdrawal or denial of item.

844
01:12:29,220 --> 01:12:29,580
Thank you.

845
01:12:29,780 --> 01:12:30,860
Thank you so much.

846
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:32,380
And the machines.

847
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:34,240
Mr. I'm sorry.

848
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,080
Commissioner Long Spears, apparently has a motion.

849
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:50,860
I do. Thank you very much. Madam Deputy Presiding Officer, I move to defer item 2024-0815 for

850
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:57,080
decision only for two weeks. So again, my motion is deferral for decision only for two weeks.

851
01:12:57,460 --> 01:12:59,700
And with comment please. Second, with a comment.

852
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:06,160
Thank you so much.

853
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,860
on Commissioner Long Spears.

854
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,740
It's been first, I have a motion in first and second,

855
01:13:13,380 --> 01:13:16,140
and I am passing the gavl because I've requested to speak

856
01:13:16,140 --> 01:13:20,360
versus, and I'm sorry, there's also been a substitute.

857
01:13:20,540 --> 01:13:21,100
We'll be.

858
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:23,580
You have to recognize the speaker in order first.

859
01:13:23,740 --> 01:13:29,220
So if we have a substitute motion,

860
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,360
so Commissioner Davis, Johnson, you're a substitute motion.

861
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:39,700
Point of order. That's actually, Commissioner Davis Johnson was third request to speak, so I think

862
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:45,340
believe you should recognize the person that asked for the floor first, based on our speaker

863
01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:50,820
order, Madam Chair. I believe that was pretty strong long spears who made the motion and requested

864
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:51,860
the speaker first.

865
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:58,460
Okay. So yes, please. In terms of counting attorney Phillips.

866
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:34,060
The clerk

867
01:14:34,060 --> 01:14:44,340
has indicated that first you had Michelle Long Spears, and second you had Commissioner Davis

868
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:44,980
Johnson.

869
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:48,000
No, I was the second and asked for comments.

870
01:14:48,740 --> 01:14:53,320
So the second was made by Commissioner Terry, so there was a motion made by Commissioner

871
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:59,780
Long Spears, seconded by Commissioner Terry, and then there was a substitute motion that

872
01:14:59,780 --> 01:14:59,960
.

873
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,460
Time to be presented by Commissioner Davis Johnson. There have been requests to speak. So the question is whether or not we need to entertain the second. The substitute motion ahead of the opportunity for the commissioners to speak, or whether or not it is required that those commissioners have an opportunity to speak before we move forward with our substitute motion.

874
01:15:24,460 --> 01:15:27,920
Before you deliberate on the first one, you take the substitute motion.

875
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,180
Thank you so much, and it's all right.

876
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:35,940
So at this point, we have a substitute motion by Commissioner Davis Johnson,

877
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,200
Commissioner Davis Johnson.

878
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,060
Madam Chair, point of order, can you just refer to the section of Robert Schroes

879
01:15:40,060 --> 01:15:43,360
or Order where the decisions coming from, please?

880
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:44,780
I'll get that to you, Commissioner.

881
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,800
I'll be happy to wait before we move forward.

882
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,360
Okay, my substitute motion is...

883
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:12,380
Yeah, my substitute motion is to deny the sign-up of what I would say, to deny the sign-up.

884
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:21,140
And yeah, I have, I want to speak one hand. Can I get a second?

885
01:16:23,420 --> 01:16:25,580
And I'll provide a second.

886
01:16:28,780 --> 01:16:31,940
So we have a person, a second on our substitute motion.

887
01:16:31,940 --> 01:16:35,920
And we have a list of commissioners that would like to speak on this item.

888
01:16:36,580 --> 01:16:38,800
I'm being the first that actually pushed the buttons.

889
01:16:38,980 --> 01:16:43,340
I'm going to share the gavel back to Commissioner Long Spears.

890
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:49,420
As I share my concerns and I second for denying this item.

891
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:54,460
Essentially what it does, the gavel's past.

892
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:57,320
You said you said you're passing the gavel to Commissioner Long Spears.

893
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,020
I passed the Commissioner Johnson.

894
01:16:59,020 --> 01:17:00,000
I got the go.

895
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,460
He has the go now.

896
01:17:01,500 --> 01:17:02,020
He has the go now.

897
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:02,340
He has the go now.

898
01:17:02,740 --> 01:17:03,020
He has the go now.

899
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:03,360
I did not.

900
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:03,840
I did not.

901
01:17:04,660 --> 01:17:07,060
The presiding officer in this moment should call on the person.

902
01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:07,900
I will go through the order.

903
01:17:08,140 --> 01:17:08,720
Thank you, commissioner.

904
01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:11,240
First on the screen is commissioner.

905
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:11,660
I'm a side.

906
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,060
Go ahead.

907
01:17:12,220 --> 01:17:14,820
Thank you so much commissioner Johnson.

908
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,820
Again, I support a denial.

909
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:23,420
There have been a number of concerns that I have raised related to this particular agenda

910
01:17:23,420 --> 01:17:24,080
item.

911
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:38,720
particularly when there is an automatic or bi-right reduction in square footage without having the requirement to come before this board or going through a specific process.

912
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:45,100
One it eliminates the ability for the public hearing aspect of a reduction.

913
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:53,160
And so applying for any variance is a legal process where essentially we have to argue and communicate why

914
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:58,380
why you should have an exception to the zoning as presented.

915
01:17:59,540 --> 01:18:06,080
When you relieve that and remove it and it's entirety and just allow for a reduction

916
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:11,960
by matter of right, you're taking away the opportunity for the community first and foremost

917
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:19,600
to be heard on that item and for the petitioner to provide an explanation as to why it would

918
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,120
burdensome to actually follow through with the zoning as provided.

919
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:31,160
So it takes away the public's voice, their ability to be able to the neighbors to wait

920
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,460
in as to whether or not there's a reduction in their area.

921
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:40,320
And then there's also the aspect of, we have a chief housing officer that has come in.

922
01:18:40,460 --> 01:18:45,940
He's weighed in, shared a memo with his grave concerns related to this agenda item.

923
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:54,640
And then lastly, as the District 3 County Commissioner, I am concerned that with this resolution

924
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:01,780
we're to pass, that it will disproportionately affect the southern parts of the cab

925
01:19:01,780 --> 01:19:02,180
county.

926
01:19:02,860 --> 01:19:09,480
The intent here is to infill with smaller homes, and just because there's smaller doesn't

927
01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:10,900
mean that they're going to be affordable.

928
01:19:10,900 --> 01:19:21,980
It doesn't mean that they're going to be a reduced and rate small, it does not equate to affordable and there is a difference between housing that's affordable and affordable housing.

929
01:19:22,980 --> 01:19:28,840
And so this is also for me a play on words in terms of purpose of this agenda item.

930
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:35,240
there district three in the South to cap area has been known to have the greatest amount

931
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,240
of undeveloped land and properties that need rehab.

932
01:19:40,100 --> 01:19:47,940
There's about 2800 properties and we on the extreme tier, I believe it's tier 5 in terms

933
01:19:47,940 --> 01:19:55,860
of homes that need to be demolished or that need to be renovated with that if we're reducing

934
01:19:55,860 --> 01:20:01,860
the square footage and allowing people by a matter of right to just build smaller homes.

935
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:07,740
That's going to be in-field and influx in our South-to-Cab area, because they don't

936
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:14,420
the same amount of space that is not existing in some of the northern and central-the-Cab

937
01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:14,860
areas.

938
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,820
So what we'll have is an influx of smaller builds by a matter of right without the community

939
01:20:19,820 --> 01:20:24,140
having opportunity to wait in where it is affecting their community in South-to-Cab.

940
01:20:24,140 --> 01:20:30,500
So I don't support it, and that is my position and why I've always been against this item.

941
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:39,020
Let people go through the legal process, communicate to their neighbors in a board as to why they wouldn't need any variance in square footage.

942
01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:45,640
Don't just give developers and others the right to build whatever they want in our communities.

943
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,920
With that, I'll go back to you.

944
01:20:48,420 --> 01:20:49,340
Thank you, Commissioner.

945
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:49,840
I'm sorry.

946
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:50,960
Yes, Attorney Phillips.

947
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,400
I just want to answer your commissioner.

948
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:53,080
Yes, I go ahead.

949
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,880
request for a site I'm reading from Robert's Rules of Order.

950
01:20:56,540 --> 01:20:59,980
The rule is five, seven, five, colon, seven.

951
01:21:00,220 --> 01:21:02,440
One of the secondary motion is placed before the assembly.

952
01:21:02,620 --> 01:21:04,340
It becomes the immediate pending question.

953
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:08,320
The main motion remains pending while the secondary motion is also pending.

954
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,760
Secondary concerns.

955
01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:15,020
Mr. Chair, do they have to recognize the, or can they say it just whenever they want?

956
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:21,000
Well, the person presiding over the meeting should control who has the floor.

957
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:27,740
If you guys speak out of turn, it's up to the person presiding over the meeting if they're going to entertain what was said out of work.

958
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:34,880
Thank you, Attorney Phillips, and Commissioner Masai did have control and she recognized Commissioner Davis Johnson moving on.

959
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,660
Commissioner Longspirers, you have a four.

960
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:42,820
Thank you very much, Commissioner Johnson, deputy deputy president officer all last year.

961
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,920
First of all, I just really do want to thank the planning department.

962
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:52,700
and certainly Rachel, I'm always giving you kudos because you really are fantastic.

963
01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:59,040
This has been an item we've been grappling with as you can see on the agenda now for about

964
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:00,500
a year and a half.

965
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:08,400
I would request, however, that we defer this item for two weeks only, for decision only.

966
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,820
Until Dr. Ferguson can be with us, I don't believe he is present today.

967
01:22:13,820 --> 01:22:20,320
him and I had a conversation prior to the holidays, he is working on something behind the

968
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:27,200
scenes that I think might be able to absorb this that would make a little bit more sense.

969
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,820
And so commissioners, if y'all would please consider a two-week deferral for decision-only

970
01:22:32,820 --> 01:22:40,580
so Dr. Ferguson can be present here as our leading housing expert in DeCab County, and we

971
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:46,140
can talk a little bit further about how this can evolve into something he's actually working

972
01:22:46,140 --> 01:22:46,420
on.

973
01:22:46,540 --> 01:22:49,280
Thank you so much for the opportunity to speak, and I yield back.

974
01:22:49,340 --> 01:22:50,600
Thank you, Commissioner Terry.

975
01:22:51,740 --> 01:22:51,980
Thank you.

976
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:59,000
Madam Chair, just very briefly on the Robert's Rules of Order, Jiu Jitsu, that we just experienced

977
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:09,320
here, while maybe that might be an exact reading of Robert's Rules, the appropriate professional

978
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:14,320
response is whoever raised their hand on our machine gets recognized first.

979
01:23:14,460 --> 01:23:21,260
We have followed that for every meeting, except when a chair decides they have another agenda

980
01:23:21,260 --> 01:23:23,540
and they recognize someone else out of order.

981
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,580
So I would just ask that we stick to one rule that we've followed.

982
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:31,720
We have a button, you press the button, and you're an order.

983
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,900
Commissioner Davis Johnson was recognized out of order.

984
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:40,500
She would have had a chance as the third speaker to make her substitute.

985
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,540
It's not going to enter right to do a substitute, but it was out of order.

986
01:23:44,780 --> 01:23:47,180
So that's literally what I was making a protest about.

987
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:54,960
On the substance of the matter, I want to recognize that we had been talking about this for a very long time.

988
01:23:55,440 --> 01:24:01,120
And there has been several times at this meeting where we have offered a consensus.

989
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:08,820
And for whatever reason, some of my colleagues just literally can't acknowledge that there is

990
01:24:08,820 --> 01:24:09,940
a middle ground here.

991
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,840
This is not a blanket by right.

992
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,600
The substitute that was proposed at the last meeting actually came from Commissioner Robert

993
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,820
Patrick, who has planning background and had a very elegant solution to this issue.

994
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:32,200
and Mr. Benny actually hit it right on the head because DeCab County developed in the 1940s,

995
01:24:32,580 --> 01:24:35,000
50, 60, 70s, 80s.

996
01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:42,320
If you follow the trajectory of development from Atlanta, the neighborhoods in the ITP as they

997
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:48,160
call it in the western part, most of the neighborhoods are homes that were built in the 1940s,

998
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:54,380
60s, the average home size back then was 1,000 to 1,400 square feet.

999
01:24:55,380 --> 01:25:03,100
We have established neighborhoods where homes are literally at what this ordinance is asking

1000
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:03,720
for.

1001
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:09,540
But somehow, because developers, home builders, and the 80s and 90s said, we have to build

1002
01:25:09,540 --> 01:25:15,260
bigger homes because when there's more square footage, we make more money.

1003
01:25:15,260 --> 01:25:28,300
So the notion that was just mentioned earlier that a smaller home is not necessarily less expensive than a larger home is false.

1004
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:32,100
It's just a basic paradigm, price per square foot.

1005
01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:36,780
If you have less square feet, a home is more affordable.

1006
01:25:36,780 --> 01:25:43,100
Now, is it affordable in the sense of 60% AMI, 30% AMI?

1007
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,760
That's a whole other issue, as not related to this ordinance.

1008
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:53,080
But the compromise that was put forward by Commissioner Patrick said, well, let's just

1009
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,240
look at the street to which the home is on.

1010
01:25:55,940 --> 01:26:02,040
If it's an established neighborhood in, let's say, outside of Clarkston, or Scott Dale,

1011
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,520
where the homes are actually averaging a thousand square feet.

1012
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,180
Well, that would be an appropriate use.

1013
01:26:07,220 --> 01:26:12,260
A 1,200, 1,400 square foot home, and a neighborhood where all the homes are basically the same size,

1014
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,440
it doesn't really change the character of an neighborhood.

1015
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:21,360
What changes the character of the neighborhood is when a builder can only build a 2,000 square

1016
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:22,400
foot home.

1017
01:26:22,940 --> 01:26:27,920
This caused inflationary pressure on home prices.

1018
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:34,140
all of a sudden, a small home becomes more valuable because the lots in that neighborhood

1019
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:40,160
are selling for more dollars because the developer knows they can build a bigger home

1020
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:41,620
and sell it for more.

1021
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:43,340
Follow the money.

1022
01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:51,010
Habitat for Humanity is the organization that is requested for this change.

1023
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:58,970
They have literally said that the variance process is too cumbersome and takes too long

1024
01:26:58,970 --> 01:27:03,430
that it inhibits their ability to build affordable homes into Cap County.

1025
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:05,730
They're not trying to build hundreds of them.

1026
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:08,170
They're literally trying to build three or four right now.

1027
01:27:09,670 --> 01:27:15,590
So, I would like us to defer this to simply embrace the compromise.

1028
01:27:16,210 --> 01:27:22,890
And I believe Dr. Bragg actually outlined how they could do that either administratively or how we could actually do it in the ordinance.

1029
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:30,670
You look at the street, you average the square footage of the homes on that street, and that's the square footage minimum.

1030
01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:36,030
In some cases it might be higher than the 1400 or 1600 limit.

1031
01:27:37,210 --> 01:27:40,350
And that's okay. The goal here is flexibility.

1032
01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:45,010
But it is absolutely true that in our established

1033
01:27:45,010 --> 01:27:48,170
in-town neighborhoods, what you are seeing is

1034
01:27:48,170 --> 01:27:50,330
gentrification and displacement.

1035
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:52,570
Small homes are being bought.

1036
01:27:53,230 --> 01:27:55,010
They're being bulldozed and they're putting up

1037
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:55,930
make mansions.

1038
01:27:56,230 --> 01:27:57,650
And they're not 2,000 square foot homes.

1039
01:27:57,770 --> 01:27:59,130
They're 3,000 square foot homes.

1040
01:27:59,370 --> 01:28:00,750
4,000 square foot homes.

1041
01:28:02,130 --> 01:28:05,130
So if you're a senior living in a 1200 square foot home,

1042
01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:08,710
or you're a family of three living in a 1200 square foot home,

1043
01:28:09,230 --> 01:28:13,450
And the house of your same size sells down the street for a higher value.

1044
01:28:14,650 --> 01:28:19,950
Our prasal department says, okay, now that home is worth that much.

1045
01:28:20,650 --> 01:28:22,610
But it wasn't worth it because of the square footage.

1046
01:28:22,750 --> 01:28:26,390
It was worth it because the lot was the valuable piece of land.

1047
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:33,590
The lot is valuable because in the Cap County you can build 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 square

1048
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:40,010
at homes. That's a big mansion. That causes displacement. So again, you know, thank you Mr.

1049
01:28:40,090 --> 01:28:44,130
Benny for just pointing out the obvious that we have a lot of people that would like to

1050
01:28:44,130 --> 01:28:50,550
have home ownership into Cap County. The last time I checked the only small missing middle housing

1051
01:28:50,550 --> 01:28:56,750
that has been built into Cap County has been approved through the zoning process. We've approved

1052
01:28:56,750 --> 01:29:02,590
about three cottage developments in the last three years. Every other type of construction and

1053
01:29:02,590 --> 01:29:04,570
The planning department can get can provide the numbers.

1054
01:29:05,190 --> 01:29:06,490
They're not building missing middle housing.

1055
01:29:06,650 --> 01:29:07,930
They're building large homes.

1056
01:29:08,670 --> 01:29:10,730
Those large homes are not affordable.

1057
01:29:11,710 --> 01:29:12,570
They're not affordable.

1058
01:29:12,830 --> 01:29:13,550
They're not affordable.

1059
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:14,430
They're not affordable.

1060
01:29:15,670 --> 01:29:19,630
So let's take a small tweak to this code.

1061
01:29:20,570 --> 01:29:24,550
And let's make it possible for someone

1062
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:26,830
to build something a little bit more reasonably sized,

1063
01:29:26,970 --> 01:29:28,210
which would be more affordable.

1064
01:29:28,210 --> 01:29:37,290
Last thing I'll say on this is we're in the midst of updating our zoning code, updating

1065
01:29:37,290 --> 01:29:43,950
the zoning code, and the very core of what it means is creating buy-write definitions.

1066
01:29:45,570 --> 01:29:58,190
If we're already saying that we don't want missing middle housing, then we ought to just

1067
01:29:58,190 --> 01:29:59,970
a zoning code and not make

1068
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,160
Any changes? That's a waste of your tax dollars. It's a waste of our time. And it's not going to achieve any of the goals and recommendations of every single housing study that this county has done.

1069
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:23,660
Over and over again, we have studied and studied and studied, and we've studied the study, and then we don't make any changes.

1070
01:30:23,660 --> 01:30:28,440
The reason why this ordinance is being brought forward is because the study that we paid for

1071
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:33,100
five years ago in our university said you need more missing middle housing.

1072
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,360
How do you do that?

1073
01:30:34,540 --> 01:30:36,100
You just allow smaller housing to be built.

1074
01:30:36,980 --> 01:30:37,580
Is that simple?

1075
01:30:38,380 --> 01:30:39,640
Look across the nation.

1076
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,560
There are communities that are embracing missing middle housing, including here in Decatur.

1077
01:30:44,780 --> 01:30:46,780
Decatur has a great missing middle housing ordinance.

1078
01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:48,340
The world hasn't ended.

1079
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,240
People haven't been priced out of their homes.

1080
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:59,440
the opposite of how this happens. People who are janitors, school teachers, police officers,

1081
01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:06,660
now can afford to live in the city of Decatur because they have housing options. Our own housing

1082
01:31:06,660 --> 01:31:15,740
study said point blank, the 50% of the naturally occurring affordable housing in Decab County,

1083
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:20,960
this is the 30% AMI or less. This is the people making minimum wage, the people that are

1084
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:26,580
doing the hard labor out there, people on the back of a trash truck can not afford to live

1085
01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:30,300
into Cap County and that housing stock will disappear in the next 10 years.

1086
01:31:30,820 --> 01:31:32,340
How are we going to replace it?

1087
01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:33,600
Where are they going to live?

1088
01:31:34,620 --> 01:31:40,100
We heard just in the last few weeks, Marta is cutting back on their bus service.

1089
01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:48,020
So now there's less transit access, there's less affordable housing, so what's going to happen?

1090
01:31:48,020 --> 01:31:50,340
They're going to have to move somewhere else.

1091
01:31:50,860 --> 01:31:52,580
Or they're going to have to move into an extended stay hotel,

1092
01:31:53,620 --> 01:31:56,820
or double up with someone, or they might be homeless.

1093
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,560
So I support the withdrawal simply from the fact

1094
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:03,940
that we have a compromise.

1095
01:32:04,460 --> 01:32:08,160
And I really would like my colleagues to address the compromise.

1096
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,600
They're addressing the ordinance,

1097
01:32:09,740 --> 01:32:11,640
but they're not addressing the potential solution.

1098
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,620
There is a way for us to beat in the middle.

1099
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:17,680
So I would respectfully ask that we just

1100
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:25,900
that as a possibility and respond to that proposal, not to the blanket by right.

1101
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:26,880
Thank you.

1102
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,660
Thank you, Commissioner Nateri, Commissioner Davies Johnson, you have the floor.

1103
01:32:31,060 --> 01:32:31,960
Thank you.

1104
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:33,880
Thank you.

1105
01:32:36,460 --> 01:32:47,580
I will say this, that I agree that cases should be decided on a case

1106
01:32:47,580 --> 01:33:01,180
by case basis. And I say that because most of the undeveloped land is in south and south

1107
01:33:01,180 --> 01:33:11,580
east, the camp, so I would not like to see us bombard it with a bunch of small houses and

1108
01:33:11,580 --> 01:33:21,800
I'll say this, the size of the house do not determine the cost, the market value, determine

1109
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:30,500
the cost, and I understood that when this was first presented over a year ago when the

1110
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:37,860
developers were here, and the real estate agents were here, and my question to them

1111
01:33:37,860 --> 01:33:48,200
Do that mean that you are priceless that we can put in our conditions that you are priceless would be based on

1112
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,620
affordable housing

1113
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,180
timetables now

1114
01:33:55,180 --> 01:33:58,580
and we saw when the town in homes

1115
01:33:58,580 --> 01:34:13,820
excuse me, was presented that those homes were between 350, 325 on upward of 350 and that was

1116
01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:24,600
before we had a search in the house in market. So I think it's not completely true that

1117
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:32,780
size of a home determines to market value and if that small home go next to

1118
01:34:32,780 --> 01:34:44,120
my 200,000 dollar home and they pay 350,000 dollars, that's going to increase the

1119
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:52,960
tax base, the tax value of my 200,000 dollar home. So I'm not saying in

1120
01:34:52,960 --> 01:35:01,460
exception, some exceptions we shouldn't have it, but I think it needs to be made on a case

1121
01:35:01,460 --> 01:35:10,760
by cases, basis, so that we can determine and you can determine what is best for your

1122
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:18,360
neighborhood, because most of these projects believe me will be in South to Camp and South

1123
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:26,080
is to care. So with that, I hear back, I say with my substitute, being that,

1124
01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:30,000
we did not decide

1125
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:35,940
them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Davis. Commissioner Bolton, you know the fuller.

1126
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:42,340
Thank you, and I don't want to beat a dead horse and continue to say some of the same things that we're

1127
01:35:42,340 --> 01:35:47,360
mentioned, but I do want to make it clear. I am one of those folks who live in a home that's just

1128
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:54,040
1200 square feet and I'm raising three children in my home, so I do appreciate us being able

1129
01:35:54,040 --> 01:36:01,480
to build smaller, however, what I want to bring to our attention, which was iterated this

1130
01:36:01,480 --> 01:36:07,480
morning by Pastor McCoy is the in-between the compromise. Because what we haven't talked

1131
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:12,220
about today, but I've mentioned several times, is even though we have the authority to put

1132
01:36:12,220 --> 01:36:17,280
forth this ordinance locally, we have to consider what's happening statewide and federally.

1133
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:23,700
We know that there are three corporations that own over 19,000 homes in the metro Atlanta

1134
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:24,120
area.

1135
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:30,780
Across the nation, they own almost 11% of single-family homes, which is ridiculous because

1136
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:35,040
the purpose of single-family homes is for single families to own them.

1137
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:41,460
And so there's even been talk at the state level about legislation where corporations can

1138
01:36:41,460 --> 01:36:49,080
field, single families, subdivisions or single family communities, completely for rent, you

1139
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:56,740
know, so much so that now your president is saying what an atrocity it is and has proposed

1140
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:04,060
some legislation to help circumvent some of the impacts that we're seeing.

1141
01:37:04,060 --> 01:37:15,540
So, considering all of those things, what I would like to do is make sure that we have some barriers in place to

1142
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:23,940
impede those who may take advantage of this opportunity, which essentially could be on a case by case basis,

1143
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:31,320
or we predetermined who would be permitted to build smaller and attach it to affordability.

1144
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:39,940
That's language that we have requested before we haven't come up with the language and added it as a substitute where we're comfortable with that

1145
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:44,600
So until we can make sure those barriers aren't in place

1146
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:59,020
The legislation as is I wouldn't be comfortable supporting, but the planning department actually proposed that in between and I would be happy to support that and with those comments. I yield back

1147
01:38:00,140 --> 01:38:05,040
Thank you, Commissioner Bolton, and if you've already spoken, if you could hit your request

1148
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:09,660
to speak again, just to clear the queue, okay, thank you.

1149
01:38:10,740 --> 01:38:13,160
So next, we have Commissioner Massiah for your second.

1150
01:38:13,820 --> 01:38:14,640
Thank you.

1151
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:15,320
Well, you're right.

1152
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:15,700
I'm sorry.

1153
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:16,080
Thank you.

1154
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,500
Thank you very much.

1155
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:28,600
We do need to have changes with the zoning ordinance, and that is what County staff is currently

1156
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:29,600
working on.

1157
01:38:30,420 --> 01:38:35,740
We have a phenomenal amount of housing studies and evidently we have one or two more going on right now.

1158
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,600
And so it would be wise to hear what some of those results are.

1159
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:45,540
I do appreciate Commissioner Terry acknowledging a potential solution I had.

1160
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:54,940
But I think the housing chief housing officer has suggested give that time to be baked back into an overall policy that might be more appropriate countywide.

1161
01:38:54,940 --> 01:39:05,120
some of the concerns for zip codes contain 56% of the R75, R85 zoning districts.

1162
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:12,280
That's about 27,000 parcels that are within the scope of what would be changed here.

1163
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:18,000
So I would have hoped for withdrawal, but the intention would still be the same.

1164
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:20,340
So I will support the withdrawal or the denial.

1165
01:39:21,220 --> 01:39:34,200
But that's sort of the things that I look in the background is is, you know, our chief housing officer is already looking into a broader policy and waiting for results for yet another housing study to be wrapped into the overall zoning rewrite.

1166
01:39:34,660 --> 01:39:38,220
So that would be, those are my thoughts on the topic. Thank you.

1167
01:39:38,340 --> 01:39:39,640
Thank you commissioner Patrick.

1168
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:55,840
Thank you so much, Commissioner Johnson, and again, 30 year plus real estate professional, I would appreciate that it was brought up the fact that it's not affordable

1169
01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:00,320
So, portability is not based on the square footage.

1170
01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:07,900
It is based on location, location, location, being unique to location and real estate

1171
01:40:07,900 --> 01:40:09,640
and that's the driving factor.

1172
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:18,220
And our value, if you will, is seen as an increase as their market is driving that based

1173
01:40:18,220 --> 01:40:23,540
on availability, and there's a lack of increasingly, you know, available land.

1174
01:40:23,540 --> 01:40:40,680
So where it is presently is in the cab county we have to also I think is very important to be mindful as to what how we balance and we look at how proportionately things affect different areas of the county.

1175
01:40:41,860 --> 01:40:49,900
Yes, could we use some additional products, some middle-level products, yes, but it doesn't have to be a cottage.

1176
01:40:49,900 --> 01:40:55,100
It's not that we go from either having cottages or having McMansions.

1177
01:40:55,700 --> 01:41:01,840
There is a middle ground, some of which our chief housing director has actually shared with us.

1178
01:41:02,060 --> 01:41:07,480
There are some other products that are available that will help satisfy that middle ground.

1179
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:13,020
We can build reduced square footage homes,

1180
01:41:13,020 --> 01:41:17,180
is just that it would not be as a matter of right.

1181
01:41:17,860 --> 01:41:21,140
So to make it seem as though we're going to lose out on an opportunity

1182
01:41:21,140 --> 01:41:24,960
or we're not going to be able to meet the needs of residents

1183
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,300
or constituents because we don't allow, by matter of a right

1184
01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:33,240
if you will, this reduction is just false.

1185
01:41:34,440 --> 01:41:39,280
There is a process, a variance process that exists,

1186
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:48,400
where if there is a desire to build a square footage that doesn't meet the current zoning requirement,

1187
01:41:48,980 --> 01:41:54,740
that they come before us, they come before the community, the neighborhood, and have that discussion.

1188
01:41:55,180 --> 01:42:00,240
I mean, that's something that I keep realizing that we are not really focusing on,

1189
01:42:00,460 --> 01:42:05,660
and something that I have not heard as much addressed where I bought it to the forefront.

1190
01:42:05,660 --> 01:42:09,180
there is a legal process for a variance.

1191
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:13,880
You have to make a request a petitioner has to share

1192
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,200
why they hear she cannot,

1193
01:42:16,700 --> 01:42:19,780
why they cannot actually build in accordance

1194
01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:22,820
with the current requirements

1195
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:26,000
as outlaw lines in our zoning plan.

1196
01:42:26,620 --> 01:42:28,040
They have to meet that right

1197
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,300
and communicate and meet that burden

1198
01:42:30,300 --> 01:42:33,800
and communicate not just the planning

1199
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:40,860
to the neighbors that have an opportunity then once they receive notice that notice requirement

1200
01:42:40,860 --> 01:42:47,720
is important to come before us all and communicate what their desires are like and not

1201
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:51,020
meet it and to for us to be able to hear from the public.

1202
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:59,420
That exists for a reason is a protection that notice and that opportunity that I don't think

1203
01:42:59,420 --> 01:43:07,640
We should just allow to be thrown out because there are some delays when it comes to building.

1204
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:17,000
There are barriers we're working on those, again, there is a process that process exists.

1205
01:43:17,540 --> 01:43:22,100
We shouldn't take that process and that opportunity to be heard from the public and for

1206
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:27,300
us to make the determination particularly when we're dealing with it being driven in a specific

1207
01:43:27,300 --> 01:43:27,580
area.

1208
01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:32,440
with that. I'll go back to you. Thank you, commissioner. I'm a commissioner long

1209
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:38,940
spirit for your second opportunity. Thank you very much, deputy, presiding officer. Again,

1210
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:44,940
this is a district to sponsored item and I'm very proud of bringing this forward to this

1211
01:43:44,940 --> 01:43:51,400
commission in 2024 before three of our commissioners were even on the commission. So it has

1212
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:57,040
certainly been active for quite some time. I believe that reducing the minimum square

1213
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:05,180
footage, weaves in affordability, flexibility, and accessibility for all of us who want to

1214
01:44:05,180 --> 01:44:12,580
call DeCab home. And I always say that I think as decision makers, as lawmakers, and our

1215
01:44:12,580 --> 01:44:19,820
DeCab, our beloved DeCab, is our goal is to not just think about what is happening right now

1216
01:44:19,820 --> 01:44:27,960
today. Our job is to think about 20 years from now. And I know that I would love for this

1217
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:35,740
community to continue to evolve, to grow, and be able to accommodate anybody, would like to

1218
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:42,860
put their head in a bed and to cab. So I strongly support reducing minimum square footage.

1219
01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:50,640
my first town home when I moved here was less than the current threshold as Commissioner

1220
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:57,480
Bolton pointed out her home is less as Mr. Benny pointed out his home is less. One of my

1221
01:44:57,480 --> 01:44:59,980
neighborhoods, Medlock area, a w-

1222
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,920
Which is managed by a great great neighborhood association, the really fantastic leaders and supporters of such a large neighborhood in my district.

1223
01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:27,260
Majority of their homes are less than the current threshold too. So the challenge is that if you want to come in and you want to build a new home, you have to build this larger home.

1224
01:45:27,260 --> 01:45:32,420
You don't have the option of living in slightly over 1200 square feet, which was about the size

1225
01:45:32,420 --> 01:45:35,760
of my first home in DeCab County as well.

1226
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:43,120
Next, I would like to ask Ms. Bragg, if she would please come to the podium, one of the

1227
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:52,300
solutions that was brought forward last year was a waver, and I believe that the waver

1228
01:45:52,300 --> 01:45:59,520
would accommodate the case-by-case basis, correct, that two or three of our commissioners

1229
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:00,260
have mentioned.

1230
01:46:00,380 --> 01:46:04,320
Would you just talk a little bit more about that and then I have a proposal.

1231
01:46:04,740 --> 01:46:05,120
Thank you.

1232
01:46:05,300 --> 01:46:05,720
Sure.

1233
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:10,980
So that proposal was for essentially at administrative variance process.

1234
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:16,280
So the normal variance process requires you to go before the zoning board of appeals

1235
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:23,660
who then evaluates the criteria and makes a determination based on an individual application.

1236
01:46:24,820 --> 01:46:34,520
So the process that we proposed was adding minimum unit size to one of the things that could be done through a administrative waiver process or administrative variance process.

1237
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:41,440
So it would require an application, a sign posting, a public notice, and then again, staff to evaluate

1238
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:47,840
if the criteria are met for an administrative variance and then the staff level decision to

1239
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:49,720
approve or deny that variance.

1240
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:55,020
Thank you Rachel. One of the criticisms I know that you hear that all of us up here

1241
01:46:55,020 --> 01:47:01,040
here is that Madam CEO here is that the planning process just takes forever. And

1242
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:06,180
the way that you describe this waiver administrative variance is that while it

1243
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:07,660
is an additional step.

1244
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:11,580
It is a low-hanging fruit additional step

1245
01:47:11,580 --> 01:47:15,160
and would not add a lot of time to that process.

1246
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:15,880
Is that correct?

1247
01:47:16,460 --> 01:47:18,860
Yes, so our administrative variance process

1248
01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:21,420
takes between 45 to 60 days,

1249
01:47:21,740 --> 01:47:24,320
just depending on when the applicant gets their application

1250
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:25,600
and when the sign is posted.

1251
01:47:26,980 --> 01:47:31,000
So what I would like to suggest to my fellow commissioners,

1252
01:47:31,140 --> 01:47:33,360
especially in the absence of Dr. Ferguson,

1253
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:41,160
And the waiver was drafted and created prior to him actually being appointed as our Chief Housing

1254
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:48,800
Officer, is that we do defer this item for decision only for two weeks, which would give

1255
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:55,520
Ms. Bragg other members of the planning team, Dr. Ferguson and anybody else up here who would

1256
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,720
like to talk about what that waiver could look like.

1257
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:03,880
But I do believe it's important that we hear from our chief housing officer about that being

1258
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:04,560
a next step.

1259
01:48:04,740 --> 01:48:10,260
Because in essence, all of you, or several of you have stated, this case by case basis,

1260
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,380
the waiver does accommodate that.

1261
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:14,580
And I yield back.

1262
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:15,040
Thank you.

1263
01:48:15,060 --> 01:48:15,320
Thank you.

1264
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:16,420
Thank you.

1265
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:16,880
Thank you.

1266
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:17,240
Thank you.

1267
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,600
Thank you.

1268
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:25,800
Thank you.

1269
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:29,260
comments if County Attorney Phillips could just review

1270
01:48:29,260 --> 01:48:35,880
Wobbers Rules or Order for the precedents, the higher

1271
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:40,380
precedents for a motion to postpone to a certain time.

1272
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:42,980
And so if you could just look that up while I'm speaking,

1273
01:48:43,480 --> 01:48:47,180
Attorney Phillips, believe that motion ranks higher than a

1274
01:48:47,180 --> 01:48:50,120
substitute or amended motion from Commissioner Davis Johnson.

1275
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:52,740
So while you're looking that up, just to make sure

1276
01:48:52,740 --> 01:48:54,880
we're on the right track and following Wobbers Rules or Order,

1277
01:48:54,880 --> 01:49:05,320
I do want to just point out that Zillow, and this is a good little listing of home prices that were referred to earlier.

1278
01:49:06,020 --> 01:49:13,160
And it's really interesting because one thing that my colleague said was accurate that the market does determine a lot of the price.

1279
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:21,880
So, for example, LaFonia, 3-0-0-5-8, which is in District 5, for a 5-bedroom 3-bath home,

1280
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:29,320
$1548 square feet, $240,000, okay, so hold that in your mind.

1281
01:49:29,860 --> 01:49:34,040
Decatur, and this is a greater decayter, $3,000, $3,035,

1282
01:49:34,220 --> 01:49:41,140
a 4-bedroom 2-bath home, $1,260 square feet, is $220,000.

1283
01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:48,520
Tucker, little higher, $350,000 for a three bedroom, two bath, 15 hundred square feet.

1284
01:49:49,260 --> 01:49:58,160
Stone Mountain, $3,008, $250,000 for a four bed, three bath home, 3,000 square feet.

1285
01:49:59,960 --> 01:50:08,100
Dunwooding, $650,000 for a four bedroom, three bath, $2,600 square feet.

1286
01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:10,440
City of Decatur, where we're at right now,

1287
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:18,180
3003-0, 999,000 dollars, a million-dollar home,

1288
01:50:18,460 --> 01:50:23,480
five-bedroom, five-bath, 3,500 square feet.

1289
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,640
So, Decatur got wise real quick,

1290
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,700
because they saw that their residents were being priced out.

1291
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:32,680
Folks wanted to move in the city of Decatur,

1292
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:37,200
and small homes were being bought, demolished,

1293
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:41,400
and large homes are being put up, because they could sell them for more money.

1294
01:50:42,300 --> 01:50:47,020
And if they could get extra square footage out of it, they're able to increase the price.

1295
01:50:47,140 --> 01:50:52,480
I mean, that is just a fundamental reality of building development in real estate.

1296
01:50:52,660 --> 01:50:55,520
It's price per square foot.

1297
01:50:56,660 --> 01:51:03,400
It's simply all if you have less square feet, the home is more affordable.

1298
01:51:04,020 --> 01:51:05,540
Is it an affordable home?

1299
01:51:05,540 --> 01:51:06,940
It depends on where you're building.

1300
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,700
Now, I will remark because Commissioner Davis Johnson brought it up.

1301
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:15,560
She was concerned about small homes proliferating in her district.

1302
01:51:16,340 --> 01:51:21,500
Well, the ordinance doesn't impact her district hardly at all.

1303
01:51:21,860 --> 01:51:29,640
R100 is the vast majority of zoned land in District 5.

1304
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:33,680
This amendment applies to R75 in R85.

1305
01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:41,300
So, I'm bringing all this up because we're actually having a debate right now.

1306
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:47,160
This is democracy, point, counterpoint, point, counterpoint.

1307
01:51:48,140 --> 01:51:55,060
So if the concern from my colleague is that small homes will proliferate in her district

1308
01:51:55,060 --> 01:51:58,860
walk and just tell you right now, they won't because this ordinance doesn't touch our 100.

1309
01:51:58,860 --> 01:52:05,200
So I hope I've convinced her that this wouldn't really impact her district, and so honestly,

1310
01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:11,500
maybe defer to the folks who represent people that live in districts that were R75 and

1311
01:52:11,500 --> 01:52:17,280
R85 are the majority of the zone districts, which I'm one of them, super district six.

1312
01:52:18,180 --> 01:52:21,480
And what I can tell you, and I'll just speak to my neighborhood and Scott Dale.

1313
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:25,980
Scott Dale is a historically red-lined community.

1314
01:52:25,980 --> 01:52:33,180
You can look at the, what they called the Atlanta security map from the 1930s.

1315
01:52:33,460 --> 01:52:37,780
And if you look at that map, it's a big map because it goes from the city of Atlanta.

1316
01:52:38,420 --> 01:52:43,340
And if anyone's followed or read the color of law or anything about red lining, there

1317
01:52:43,340 --> 01:52:47,680
was blue zones, green zones, and red zones.

1318
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:57,450
So, guess where the blue zones were, sections of Atlanta, sections of the Cater, Avondale

1319
01:52:57,450 --> 01:53:02,390
estates, the whole city was built to keep black people out.

1320
01:53:03,250 --> 01:53:04,090
That was the blue zone.

1321
01:53:04,690 --> 01:53:09,670
Right next door of Scotdale, Scotdale, Redline, Red Zone.

1322
01:53:10,270 --> 01:53:13,350
So in Scotdale, you actually have very small lots.

1323
01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:17,810
It is very common to see a 20-foot lot in Scotdale.

1324
01:53:18,570 --> 01:53:20,350
So what's happening now?

1325
01:53:20,990 --> 01:53:27,450
You got homes that have degraded over the years, systemic racism, red lining, literally

1326
01:53:27,450 --> 01:53:31,870
has resulted in deep poverty in Scott Dale.

1327
01:53:32,370 --> 01:53:34,210
Scott Dale is a qualified census tract.

1328
01:53:34,350 --> 01:53:37,850
It qualifies for all of the federal programs because of the high poverty.

1329
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:42,730
And it's because of years and years of red lining because these homes are smaller and smaller

1330
01:53:42,730 --> 01:53:48,390
a lot, so they're not as valuable, and so the folks who live there are lower income.

1331
01:53:49,370 --> 01:53:53,970
But what's happening now, Scott Dale is people say, wow, decadors a million dollars.

1332
01:53:55,290 --> 01:53:56,290
I can't afford that.

1333
01:53:56,770 --> 01:54:00,630
Let me look at Avendale, Avendale, $800,000.

1334
01:54:01,850 --> 01:54:04,030
All right, right next door, Scott Dale.

1335
01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:10,830
This is where it gets this getting hairy, because folks aren't buying small homes, the Scott

1336
01:54:10,830 --> 01:54:19,150
and living in them, no, they're buying the small lots, they're assembling other small

1337
01:54:19,150 --> 01:54:25,990
lots and they're building, they're, I say, million dollar homes. A home just came

1338
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:33,450
on the market, around the corner for my house and it is a monster and it is a million

1339
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:40,700
dollars. So why would we perpetuate the history of red lining? Why would we

1340
01:54:41,370 --> 01:54:47,650
accept the notion that there's no limits on how big the home you can build

1341
01:54:47,650 --> 01:54:53,190
other than just the lot ratio, but we're not willing to encourage some smaller homes

1342
01:54:53,190 --> 01:54:59,450
in neighborhoods where the homes are already small. R75 and R85, I guarantee you the

1343
01:54:59,450 --> 01:55:03,910
majority of those homes and those neighborhoods are already within the range of what this

1344
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:05,250
ordinance is trying to do.

1345
01:55:07,970 --> 01:55:07,990
So,

1346
01:55:10,340 --> 01:55:14,040
in a minute, I'm going to ask for a motion to postpone

1347
01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:18,420
to a certain time. I'll reflect what Commissioner Long Spears recommended for two weeks.

1348
01:55:19,380 --> 01:55:24,040
And let's just ask the question, planning department, pull the data. What's the, what are

1349
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:29,300
the number of square footed homes in our 75, our 85? We have an analysis. We can run

1350
01:55:29,300 --> 01:55:30,180
those numbers.

1351
01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:42,540
And let's do the research. And while we're at it, why don't we go ahead

1352
01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:53,440
and put a maximum cap on new home construction? Crazy idea, right? If we see gentrification

1353
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:59,020
and displacement in our neighborhoods because there is literally no cap on the square footage

1354
01:56:00,220 --> 01:56:06,360
that is literally making homes and neighborhoods more expensive to live in, why wouldn't we

1355
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:08,160
tackle it from that side as well.

1356
01:56:08,660 --> 01:56:15,800
So I might ask that we not only allow a little bit smaller homes in these R-8, R-8, R-8, R-8, R-7,

1357
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:21,960
V, but let's bring down the cap as well, or let's bring down the maximum size that you

1358
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:22,400
can build.

1359
01:56:22,820 --> 01:56:24,660
That literally would create a sweet spot.

1360
01:56:24,660 --> 01:56:28,120
If you're want a bigger, bigger home, you need that five-bedroom understand.

1361
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:34,080
But as I pointed out, there's homes, and Habitat for Humanity actually is trying to build

1362
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:37,740
a three-bedroom, two-bath, add around that 1,400 square foot.

1363
01:56:38,240 --> 01:56:40,400
And Habitat tries to build for families, by the way.

1364
01:56:41,500 --> 01:56:47,700
And so, reflecting back to the extent of state hotel study, the vast majority of people living

1365
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:50,700
They sent us the hotels, our families,

1366
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:55,980
and based on the amount they're paying each month,

1367
01:56:56,180 --> 01:57:01,140
they could afford to live in the homes that we're trying to build with this ordinance,

1368
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:02,460
or to allow the bill with this ordinance.

1369
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:10,360
So, Madam Chair, I'd move to postpone this agenda item for two weeks for further consideration

1370
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,380
with the requested research and data that I mentioned from the planning department.

1371
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:16,060
And if I can get a second.

1372
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:24,720
Second, there is a new motion and second on the floor of the motion is the postponeness item for two weeks.

1373
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,320
Could we have the attorney weigh in on that motion to the postponeness?

1374
01:57:29,700 --> 01:57:31,020
Yes, attorney Phillips.

1375
01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:35,460
What specifically is the question to make a mission?

1376
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:37,960
I am prepared to answer the commission.

1377
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:44,940
I think the question is, is he allowed to make yet another motion, which I believe he is allowed, but I'm not the attorney.

1378
01:57:44,940 --> 01:57:49,620
He can make a motion. The question is which motion you have to address at this time.

1379
01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:53,540
They can only be one substitute. You have to deal with the first substitute.

1380
01:57:53,980 --> 01:57:58,400
Then you go back to the original and then you can open the four four additional motions.

1381
01:57:59,080 --> 01:58:04,740
So while on here you are on the first item. It is 11 o'clock. It is the second time I've been

1382
01:58:04,740 --> 01:58:10,820
called here. I am going to share some things that I hope will help you go through without calling me back.

1383
01:58:10,820 --> 01:58:18,660
Roberts Rules of Order 4746, since the Parliamentary and Law gives to the chair a loan,

1384
01:58:19,020 --> 01:58:24,540
the power to rule on questions of order or to answer Parliamentary and inquiries the

1385
01:58:24,540 --> 01:58:28,400
chair controls from your blue book.

1386
01:58:29,120 --> 01:58:35,440
Roman No. 2, Section 2, to the extent the Standing Procedural Rules adopted by the Commission

1387
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:40,760
may conflict with the provisions of Roberts Rules of Order, the Standing Procedural Rules

1388
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:46,880
bill. Number three, obtaining the floor. The decision of the chair is to the order of recognition,

1389
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:53,920
and which member has the floor shall control. Number five, a substitute motion is a main

1390
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:59,200
motion offered for consideration by the commission in lieu of a main motion then pending.

1391
01:58:59,740 --> 01:59:05,200
A substitute motion takes precedence. But not a substitute to the substitute. You can only have

1392
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:09,660
one substitute. It is the second part of that. I can read further. I have to.

1393
01:59:09,660 --> 01:59:12,620
Minister, Commissioner Terry, you will also sit your time.

1394
01:59:12,660 --> 01:59:13,400
Point of order.

1395
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:14,520
I have a point of order.

1396
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,460
I'm actually not substituting the substitutes.

1397
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:21,340
A postpone to a certain time ranks higher than the substitute motion.

1398
01:59:21,900 --> 01:59:23,600
So I'm not actually substituting the motion.

1399
01:59:24,200 --> 01:59:30,780
I'm simply postponing the decision, which is what I've asked the county attorney to respond to.

1400
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:36,280
To quote you, you asked for a second on your motion to postpone it, which made it a motion commissioner.

1401
01:59:37,140 --> 01:59:43,520
chair recognizes as such Commissioner Davis Johnson you've requested to speak for your

1402
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:52,280
second time and and I will not speak for 10 minutes I would say this I live in

1403
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:59,240
of the cow. This item will affect South.

1404
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:16,400
And some ease to care mostly. Now, I did not have to be lectured about who lives in extended stay hotels.

1405
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:27,200
because I know, because I have extended family that I've had to live and extended stay

1406
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:46,380
hotel and it's not that I or anyone else in the South to cab or South East to cab or any

1407
02:00:46,380 --> 02:00:53,960
people that cannot afford housing. So I want to make that clear. I also don't have to be

1408
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:57,750
lectured about

1409
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:12,230
where a who is made support what they think this is. Because I've worked on

1410
02:01:13,850 --> 02:01:25,090
having houses built for the homeless. I've marched for it. I spoke out against it. And what

1411
02:01:25,090 --> 02:01:35,260
I'm speaking out against now is let us have a voice of what housing come in our community

1412
02:01:35,260 --> 02:01:45,620
until planning can present us something for zoning for us to consider, but as a matter of right,

1413
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:56,320
don't tell me that it's going to benefit me when I live there. And I know,

1414
02:01:58,500 --> 02:02:01,000
and I know what can

1415
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:07,560
effect us and what has affected us in the past because we're not totally informed.

1416
02:02:08,300 --> 02:02:18,320
And so what I say right now is that we should consider this on a case by case basis so

1417
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:26,220
that we are not disproportionately affected because if you look at the values on the South

1418
02:02:26,900 --> 02:02:40,340
as opposed to the central and north-decav, and where you don't have much land for this, it's going to affect us more.

1419
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:48,120
And so, my motion stands that this item be denied.

1420
02:02:48,340 --> 02:02:48,960
Thank you.

1421
02:02:49,060 --> 02:02:50,380
Thank you, Commissioner Davis Johnson.

1422
02:02:50,380 --> 02:02:55,640
clerks. If we could correct what we're seeing on our screen, the motion before us is a motion

1423
02:02:55,640 --> 02:03:01,560
to deny, made by Commissioner Davis Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Massiah. If you can make

1424
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:04,660
that correction and then please open the machines for a vote.

1425
02:03:13,890 --> 02:03:16,430
Motion to deny this item has been

1426
02:03:18,170 --> 02:03:23,790
motion to deny is proved. Thank you. I am yielding the gavel back. Thank you.

1427
02:03:24,330 --> 02:03:27,890
Thank you. Commissioner Johnson, I'm glad I didn't have to preside over that item.

1428
02:03:29,610 --> 02:03:38,990
Okay folks, please skip page three and move to the top of page four for our second public

1429
02:03:38,990 --> 02:03:46,790
hearing item. It is 2025-179 for all commission districts to adopt a resolution extending

1430
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:52,650
the short-term rental ordinance implementation period to 180 days following the January

1431
02:03:52,650 --> 02:04:00,730
2020, 2026 effective date thereby establishing a revised implementation date of July 19, 2026.

1432
02:04:01,030 --> 02:04:07,050
Do we have, we have just been provided a substitute, Mr. Welch, if you please describe the nature

1433
02:04:07,050 --> 02:04:07,630
of a substitute.

1434
02:04:08,330 --> 02:04:09,530
Thank you, Madam Presiding Officer.

1435
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:11,950
Thank you.

1436
02:04:12,290 --> 02:04:18,970
I'll defer to planning on that piece, but as the COO informed you last week, the substitute

1437
02:04:18,970 --> 02:04:21,690
that you're now being handed out, does two things.

1438
02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:25,730
One, it changes this from a resolution to an ordinance.

1439
02:04:26,090 --> 02:04:32,950
The original short-term rental controls were adopted as an ordinance.

1440
02:04:33,470 --> 02:04:35,250
So in order to change that effective date,

1441
02:04:35,310 --> 02:04:37,350
we need to use an ordinance, not a resolution.

1442
02:04:37,890 --> 02:04:40,930
So that changes in front of you just the title of the document.

1443
02:04:41,950 --> 02:04:45,390
Secondarily, the other change reflected in the attached.

1444
02:04:45,390 --> 02:04:52,930
There was discussion last week about trying to keep the implementation ahead of the summer

1445
02:04:52,930 --> 02:04:53,770
travel season.

1446
02:04:54,330 --> 02:04:59,490
And so what you have in front of you is 120-day extension instead of 180.

1447
02:05:00,110 --> 02:05:04,410
That would allow an effective date of May 20, 26.

1448
02:05:05,010 --> 02:05:09,090
I'll defer to planning to talk about the reasons, but I just wanted to explain what you

1449
02:05:09,090 --> 02:05:11,130
see in the substitute in front of you.

1450
02:05:11,130 --> 02:05:12,790
Thank you so much.

1451
02:05:13,110 --> 02:05:14,930
Director Nijoke, please come forward.

1452
02:05:18,150 --> 02:05:19,350
Good morning commissioners.

1453
02:05:19,530 --> 02:05:20,450
Thank you for your time.

1454
02:05:21,210 --> 02:05:27,790
I just want to follow with legal to discuss the move for the implementation day to the 120.

1455
02:05:28,410 --> 02:05:35,170
As we discussed the last time, we wanted to make sure that the implementation of this program would also

1456
02:05:35,170 --> 02:05:42,370
be aligned with us having staff, technology, and the capacities to take applications and to process

1457
02:05:42,370 --> 02:05:47,690
those applications fully within the tax digest. We wanted to make sure that we had the

1458
02:05:47,690 --> 02:05:53,210
necessary accounts that were set up a separate account pertaining to SCRs. So we've gone ahead

1459
02:05:53,210 --> 02:05:58,890
and we've moved our plan. Our initial request was 180. We're requesting now and we're able to talk

1460
02:05:58,890 --> 02:06:00,390
to the necessary departments,

1461
02:06:00,650 --> 02:06:03,090
in speaking to the other departments that are

1462
02:06:03,090 --> 02:06:07,790
department to this program, till one 20 day.

1463
02:06:08,530 --> 02:06:11,350
So we're looking to do is what it's called a 30, 60, 30.

1464
02:06:11,630 --> 02:06:12,930
Within the first 30 days,

1465
02:06:13,310 --> 02:06:15,430
is the initial preliminary processes

1466
02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:17,910
to be able to get the technology on board,

1467
02:06:18,250 --> 02:06:20,890
to be able to realign the application process

1468
02:06:20,890 --> 02:06:24,110
and to be able to even take pre-applications

1469
02:06:24,110 --> 02:06:25,650
that would not be fully processed

1470
02:06:25,650 --> 02:06:27,410
until the technology is implemented.

1471
02:06:27,410 --> 02:06:34,630
And speaking to IT, they discussed having a 60-day foreign integration upon the time when we have

1472
02:06:34,630 --> 02:06:35,970
the technology and play.

1473
02:06:36,290 --> 02:06:41,090
Doing that integration process, we're also belaying discussions with code enforcement, we'll

1474
02:06:41,090 --> 02:06:43,650
also be able to start talking about the tracking system.

1475
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:48,650
And that will also provide planning sustainability opportunity for us to be able to get staff.

1476
02:06:49,050 --> 02:06:52,970
As I've expressed to you guys before, we had significant changes in our business license

1477
02:06:52,970 --> 02:06:53,610
department.

1478
02:06:54,010 --> 02:06:55,230
We're currently growing.

1479
02:06:55,230 --> 02:07:00,550
But we have new staff that also needs to be trained, not just in our business license processes,

1480
02:07:00,710 --> 02:07:05,330
but also be prepared to process the STRs, and this will be happening simultaneously.

1481
02:07:06,070 --> 02:07:09,050
In the last 30 days is when we're going to go fully operational,

1482
02:07:09,150 --> 02:07:14,870
this gives us a time to do testing, this gives us a time for us to be able to upload any of the pre-applications,

1483
02:07:15,270 --> 02:07:18,290
and gives us a time for us to be able to have them ready on board.

1484
02:07:18,610 --> 02:07:21,670
We believe we can relatively achieve that within the 120 days.

1485
02:07:22,030 --> 02:07:22,790
Thank you.

1486
02:07:23,550 --> 02:07:26,190
Thank you so much, Director Nejoku.

1487
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:32,230
Before we move on for debate, do we have a motion on this substitute item?

1488
02:07:33,210 --> 02:07:35,010
Oh, oh goodness, forgive me.

1489
02:07:35,250 --> 02:07:35,790
Thank you, yes.

1490
02:07:36,030 --> 02:07:38,410
I have a little crisis in the background.

1491
02:07:39,310 --> 02:07:41,830
Okay, thank you so much for your recommendation.

1492
02:07:42,670 --> 02:07:46,710
Who is present or anyone present to speak in support of this item?

1493
02:07:46,710 --> 02:07:50,230
Again, noting that there is a substitute, which does alter the timeline.

1494
02:07:51,070 --> 02:07:54,170
Again, anyone present to speak in support of this item?

1495
02:07:58,070 --> 02:08:03,550
Anyone present to speak in opposition of the substitute for 2025, 1794?

1496
02:08:05,690 --> 02:08:09,630
Again, anyone present to speak in opposition to the substitute?

1497
02:08:11,310 --> 02:08:12,930
All right, you staff, please come forward.

1498
02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:14,430
Restate your recommendation.

1499
02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:18,530
Then we'll open up the machines for a motion.

1500
02:08:19,530 --> 02:08:20,470
Thank you, Ms. Brad.

1501
02:08:20,470 --> 02:08:23,530
The staff recommendation is for approval of the substitute.

1502
02:08:24,190 --> 02:08:25,910
Thank you very much.

1503
02:08:26,170 --> 02:08:26,270
All right.

1504
02:08:26,270 --> 02:08:28,290
Motion to approve.

1505
02:08:28,810 --> 02:08:29,370
The substitute.

1506
02:08:31,070 --> 02:08:32,330
Thank you commissioner Messiah.

1507
02:08:32,730 --> 02:08:33,330
I can.

1508
02:08:33,490 --> 02:08:35,150
The seconded by commissioner Patrick.

1509
02:08:36,070 --> 02:08:39,570
The first individual requesting to speak is commissioner Terry.

1510
02:08:39,950 --> 02:08:40,430
You have the floor.

1511
02:08:40,570 --> 02:08:41,290
Thank you madam chair.

1512
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:43,610
I'll be brief here as much as I can.

1513
02:08:44,310 --> 02:08:49,370
So we approve this ordinance after.

1514
02:08:50,070 --> 02:08:59,110
I think almost two years working on it last summer and at the time the thought was, let's

1515
02:08:59,110 --> 02:09:04,310
get this ready for the new year, there's the World Cup, it's important that we get better

1516
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:11,310
coat compliance on party houses, on Airbnb's that are not all of them, but some of them are

1517
02:09:11,310 --> 02:09:15,410
really abusing their right to be able to operate in our neighborhoods.

1518
02:09:15,410 --> 02:09:23,210
I have consistently heard from neighbors and at least three neighborhoods who have, in essence,

1519
02:09:23,730 --> 02:09:29,650
what are either party houses or event centers or filming locations for that matter.

1520
02:09:30,270 --> 02:09:37,070
And they just get used all of the time. There's ones like a glass house. One looks like the White House.

1521
02:09:37,690 --> 02:09:43,330
One is a giant. One of those McMansions. I referenced earlier.

1522
02:09:43,330 --> 02:09:49,990
I wonder if a small house was on those lots before they built a giant McMansion to create

1523
02:09:49,990 --> 02:09:57,650
a short-term rental that are now disrupting our neighborhoods for the profit most of the

1524
02:09:57,650 --> 02:10:00,050
time for an investor.

1525
02:10:01,590 --> 02:10:06,230
So of course those homes aren't available to buy because they're making a lot of money renting

1526
02:10:06,230 --> 02:10:10,830
people to use them day in and day out into the evening.

1527
02:10:13,610 --> 02:10:16,630
So the concern here, and I do support

1528
02:10:16,630 --> 02:10:21,050
the 120-day referral. I think it was originally 180 days, so I appreciate plenty of

1529
02:10:21,050 --> 02:10:27,250
department for stepping up the game here. But we should have gotten this together last year.

1530
02:10:27,250 --> 02:10:41,190
And I know there's provisions in our code CO Williams for emergency procurement or cooperative agreements or piggybacking.

1531
02:10:41,970 --> 02:10:49,430
I would argue that implementing this ordinance was something that was, if not an emergency, it was urgent.

1532
02:10:49,430 --> 02:10:55,390
And there are ways in the procurement policy, and we've seen it before, in fact actually

1533
02:10:55,390 --> 02:11:01,310
the Office of Independent Internal Audit has a report for us to look at in FAB, and

1534
02:11:01,310 --> 02:11:07,070
the next couple of weeks on the use of the emergency provision of procurement.

1535
02:11:07,650 --> 02:11:15,910
Would it surprise anyone that we have approved $43 million in emergency procurement items in

1536
02:11:15,910 --> 02:11:21,970
last few years, $43 million for all sorts of things, not saying they weren't emergencies,

1537
02:11:22,770 --> 02:11:28,510
but just letting y'all know that we have done this before for things that may or may not

1538
02:11:28,510 --> 02:11:29,050
be an emergency.

1539
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:34,830
I would argue getting this short-term rental ordinance up and running as soon as possible

1540
02:11:36,410 --> 02:11:40,130
was at potentially an emergency, but it was very, very urgent.

1541
02:11:40,890 --> 02:11:45,650
But it really just looks like we are scrambling to figure out how can we just do this

1542
02:11:45,650 --> 02:11:52,110
house for the next 120 days and then we'll consider getting a vendor, a database, et cetera,

1543
02:11:52,310 --> 02:11:52,590
et cetera.

1544
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:59,510
So, you know, here we are, I mean, it is what it is, but I'm just going to point out, because

1545
02:11:59,510 --> 02:12:05,550
we're going to talk about budget in the next few weeks how we resource our county departments.

1546
02:12:06,690 --> 02:12:12,490
When you under resource a department, because you have a salary freeze, or a hiring freeze,

1547
02:12:12,490 --> 02:12:18,900
or you're studying a salary and no change is to take place and a tradition takes place in

1548
02:12:19,690 --> 02:12:26,270
departments, ironically it actually cost us more money with those delays than it would have

1549
02:12:26,270 --> 02:12:31,670
been just to give folks a raise to pay people what they're worth so they can do the work.

1550
02:12:32,330 --> 02:12:39,570
So if you lose three-fourths of your business licensing division in six months maybe we should

1551
02:12:39,570 --> 02:12:42,790
consider why that is.

1552
02:12:43,790 --> 02:12:47,690
And so we decided to save a little money because we don't want to pay people what the going

1553
02:12:47,690 --> 02:12:52,170
rate for being a planner and this department is in Metro Atlanta and so now here's the

1554
02:12:52,170 --> 02:12:52,730
results.

1555
02:12:53,530 --> 02:12:55,270
Things get kicked down the road.

1556
02:12:55,950 --> 02:13:00,890
With thousands of short-term rentals into cab counties, some of them are, you know, a lot

1557
02:13:00,890 --> 02:13:01,470
of them are fine.

1558
02:13:01,890 --> 02:13:04,590
Some of them are causing real havoc in our neighborhoods.

1559
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:15,610
So if y'all could do it before 120 days, that'd be great but let's please move this forward as quickly as possible.

1560
02:13:18,660 --> 02:13:23,000
Thank you very much. Next up to speak is Commissioner Bolton. You do have the floor, man.

1561
02:13:23,980 --> 02:13:32,640
Thank you. And my question is the same concern I had the last time that this item came up.

1562
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:42,300
The way that this reads is that we're adopting an ordinance to extend an ordinance, which sounds like two different ordinances here.

1563
02:13:43,100 --> 02:13:53,780
So is it an adoption or an adeption? Are we adapting the time for implementation to be from January to now, May?

1564
02:13:54,360 --> 02:14:01,440
Because that sounds like two different ordinances, I don't want us to be in a situation where we have to go back later and explain ourselves.

1565
02:14:02,200 --> 02:14:06,240
where adapting an ordinance to extend an ordinance.

1566
02:14:06,580 --> 02:14:12,800
No, we've already adopted an ordinance and we're requesting the extension for the time for implementation.

1567
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:16,440
Well, I understand that's what we want to do.

1568
02:14:17,660 --> 02:14:20,100
But so isn't it read like that to you?

1569
02:14:20,220 --> 02:14:23,720
It says to adopt an ordinance extending an ordinance.

1570
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:25,940
That sounds like two different ordinances.

1571
02:14:26,240 --> 02:14:30,380
I understand that and I can understand if that's confusing if we want to clean up the language.

1572
02:14:30,380 --> 02:14:35,880
but we've adopted an ordinance legal is made the clarification that it needed to be in on

1573
02:14:35,880 --> 02:14:41,420
ordinance and not in its original form. So there's been a change to an ordinance and then

1574
02:14:41,420 --> 02:14:49,900
a request for the timeframe for implementation extension. Right. So we're like you say we're changing

1575
02:14:49,900 --> 02:14:56,280
the ordinance, the short term to ordinance, which sounds like we're adapting the ordinance,

1576
02:14:56,280 --> 02:14:59,980
not adopting an ordinance for the world.

1577
02:15:00,620 --> 02:15:19,320
So, Commissioner, the only way to change an ordinance is through ordinance. The other potential procedural way we could have done this is to amend an item already considered, but it was since it was so long ago, it seemed to us cleaner just to bring forward an amendment to the effective day.

1578
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:25,960
legally we don't have any concerns that this will be effective if you would like different

1579
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:31,920
language in a motion we are happy to do that. Part of the concern of course here is that

1580
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:38,640
January 20th is around the corner and so if it's going to be extended the extension needs

1581
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:44,060
to take place obviously before that date. All right no I don't want to delay it but I just want to

1582
02:15:44,060 --> 02:15:48,960
make sure we clear on our language, because I yield, man.

1583
02:15:49,780 --> 02:15:51,440
Thank you, Commissioner Johnson, you have a floor.

1584
02:15:51,580 --> 02:15:53,860
Yes, I just had a quick question for a director in Tuku.

1585
02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:59,200
The technology you're speaking about, is that a new procurement item that we're going to need,

1586
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:04,500
or is there some existing technology that will do what your, what is needed?

1587
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,520
No, it's a new technology that we need to be able to do the full tracking.

1588
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:12,860
And we're certain we can complete the procurement process in this timeframe.

1589
02:16:12,860 --> 02:16:15,760
We have discussed with the procurement officer.

1590
02:16:16,060 --> 02:16:18,780
We have spoken about the emergency as well as the cooperative.

1591
02:16:19,460 --> 02:16:24,640
We have already have candidates that are in place, so we've already near in our selection process.

1592
02:16:25,000 --> 02:16:26,540
And know the technology that we need.

1593
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:32,200
So we're confident in partnership with the office of procurement that we will be able to have that in play.

1594
02:16:32,360 --> 02:16:36,620
We've already sent those agreements for legal review to expedite things along.

1595
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:42,620
And we've already spoken to IT so that they are prepared to be able to do the implementation integration portion.

1596
02:16:42,620 --> 02:16:55,540
So as quickly as we can, we're working in concert and partnership, and that's why we're asking for this time frame with the hopes that we'll be able to, not with the hopes of the guarantee that we're able to have the program fully up and running by May.

1597
02:16:55,920 --> 02:17:11,320
Thank you for that. And before I go, I just will say, I support whatever needs to be supported or said to make sure this is an important item. I'm a priority item for whoever needs to make sure procurement or whatever piece needs to happen gets done.

1598
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:14,220
so that we can successfully get this program going

1599
02:17:14,220 --> 02:17:15,260
in the timeframe a lot.

1600
02:17:15,880 --> 02:17:16,720
Thank you so much.

1601
02:17:16,720 --> 02:17:17,500
Thank you, I yield.

1602
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:20,340
Thank you so much, and we'll pass the gap

1603
02:17:20,340 --> 02:17:23,140
because I actually have a comment myself.

1604
02:17:23,700 --> 02:17:26,360
First of all, I want to thank you so much for hearing me.

1605
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:28,300
Last time we discussed this,

1606
02:17:28,380 --> 02:17:30,820
the concerns that I elevated was related

1607
02:17:31,540 --> 02:17:35,380
to the previous 180 days being passed

1608
02:17:35,380 --> 02:17:39,240
when the FIFA games began in the Metro Atlanta area.

1609
02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:54,940
So thank you so much for hearing me. The fever games begin in June. So reducing that extension down to May 20th helps us plan our path forward to manage that. When the games are here on the ground in Atlanta.

1610
02:17:54,940 --> 02:18:00,600
My second point is to commissioner Bolton, I agree with you.

1611
02:18:00,840 --> 02:18:06,440
I think that the way that it does read is a little bit confusing, and so I'd like

1612
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:13,080
to offer a friendly amendment, is that instead in law, if you please chime in on this and

1613
02:18:13,080 --> 02:18:19,100
make sure this would be all right, is just to amend the ordinance extending the previously

1614
02:18:19,100 --> 02:18:23,040
adopted short-term renewal ordinance period blah, blah.

1615
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:30,380
Would that be acceptable? It's a one-word change that I think establishes that this ordinance is already an ordinance

1616
02:18:30,380 --> 02:18:35,320
It's not new here and that we're just making a simple implementation date change

1617
02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:43,520
Well, you just repeat the wording for me because I apologize. That's okay to amend the ordinance so two words. I guess to amend the ordinance extending

1618
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:48,580
the previously adopted short-term middle and you might have to wordsmith it a little bit more

1619
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:51,840
But isn't that what we're doing? We're simply amending

1620
02:18:52,520 --> 02:19:03,480
That's it. So I think if we just add that word amended there, that might resolve some of the challenges and maybe your legal brain can come up with a better way of wordsmithing than what I just offered.

1621
02:19:04,220 --> 02:19:14,680
Well, Commissioner, if we could maybe just replace the word extending with amending to adopt an ordinance, amending the previously adopted short-term rental ordinance implementation period 120 days.

1622
02:19:14,680 --> 02:19:19,560
So it's important that friendly amendment commissioner Bolton is the one that brought it up.

1623
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:25,240
So how do you feel about that commissioner Bolton? I feel great about it. I'm glad it makes sense now.

1624
02:19:26,040 --> 02:19:29,480
Okay. So that was simple. Doesn't have to be complicated or complex.

1625
02:19:30,680 --> 02:19:34,040
All right. Thank you, sir. So that's what I'd like to offer up commissioners is just

1626
02:19:34,940 --> 02:19:41,420
amending the language of friendly amendment on what Mr Welch just stated. And I yield back to myself.

1627
02:19:42,140 --> 02:19:46,200
The next person that has requested to speak is Commissioner Davis Johnson, you have the

1628
02:19:46,200 --> 02:19:47,040
floor, man?

1629
02:19:51,830 --> 02:20:01,350
I say Commissioner Johnson, state of what I was going to say, she always does, and yeah,

1630
02:20:01,650 --> 02:20:02,070
I'll agree.

1631
02:20:02,150 --> 02:20:06,990
I mean, I can go along with the amending rather than extending.

1632
02:20:08,010 --> 02:20:09,150
So I'm good.

1633
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:10,350
All right.

1634
02:20:10,550 --> 02:20:14,150
Seeing no other request to speak, please up in the machines for about.

1635
02:20:14,150 --> 02:20:16,330
Substitute with a friendly amendment.

1636
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:24,830
All righty that unanimously passed.

1637
02:20:25,770 --> 02:20:28,770
Okay, just to draw everybody's attention to the time.

1638
02:20:28,810 --> 02:20:30,290
It is 11.22.

1639
02:20:31,430 --> 02:20:34,410
We will break for lunch around the noon hour,

1640
02:20:34,490 --> 02:20:36,810
and we are on page four.

1641
02:20:38,910 --> 02:20:40,790
Go please, middle of page four.

1642
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:42,570
These are decision-only items.

1643
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:46,150
No public hearing, public and planning and sustainability.

1644
02:20:46,490 --> 02:20:49,870
Item 2025-0608.

1645
02:20:49,870 --> 02:20:56,790
Commission districts 1 and 7, application of LMPSF, acquisitions, caratropment, pepper lock,

1646
02:20:57,130 --> 02:21:02,630
to resound property from C2 zoning district to HR1 zoning district to allow for single

1647
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:09,710
family attached and multi-family development at 3265 north east expressway. Do I have a

1648
02:21:09,710 --> 02:21:15,530
motion? Madam Presiding Officer, if I may. Okay, go ahead, please. You have the floor.

1649
02:21:15,530 --> 02:21:22,870
I have spoken with Council for the applicant, and we request a deferral to complete that discussion.

1650
02:21:24,450 --> 02:21:26,410
What period, deferral period?

1651
02:21:26,530 --> 02:21:27,170
Two weeks.

1652
02:21:27,430 --> 02:21:28,350
Okay, thank you so much.

1653
02:21:28,650 --> 02:21:31,310
All right, our county attorney has requested a two week deferral.

1654
02:21:31,410 --> 02:21:32,330
Do we have a motion?

1655
02:21:34,410 --> 02:21:39,290
I'd like to make a motion to defer this item for two weeks for a decision only.

1656
02:21:39,730 --> 02:21:40,070
Thank you.

1657
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:41,030
We have a second.

1658
02:21:42,050 --> 02:21:43,230
Thank you, Commissioner Bolton.

1659
02:21:46,450 --> 02:21:53,390
I'm just trying to confirm the actual date, which I think is going to be the 2027, okay, to January 2027.

1660
02:21:53,430 --> 02:21:58,270
Yes, sir. That is it. Tuesday, January 26, 7th. This is our second business of January.

1661
02:21:58,510 --> 02:21:59,290
Is this meeting of January?

1662
02:22:00,670 --> 02:22:03,350
All right. Seeing no request to speak, open the machines for about.

1663
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:13,530
already that deferral has passed moving on to the top of page five.

1664
02:22:15,390 --> 02:22:22,730
2025-0970, Commission District's three and six application of PCC-decab LLC

1665
02:22:22,730 --> 02:22:28,190
care of Stephen L. Jones, Taylor Duma, LLC for a special in use permit to

1666
02:22:28,190 --> 02:22:32,670
allow utility structures for the transmission or distribution of services in the

1667
02:22:32,670 --> 02:22:36,550
and M-U-1 zoning districts, the bolder crest over

1668
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:39,970
light district tier five, and the sop stone historic district

1669
02:22:39,970 --> 02:22:44,610
4280 and 4358, loveless place, and 2281,

1670
02:22:44,970 --> 02:22:47,050
Pine View Trail, Ms. Brack.

1671
02:22:49,480 --> 02:22:49,720
Yes.

1672
02:22:50,500 --> 02:22:52,660
So the staff recommendation is for denial.

1673
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:56,380
These properties fall within the suburban character area

1674
02:22:56,380 --> 02:22:58,300
of the Comprehensive Plan.

1675
02:22:58,820 --> 02:23:02,080
This character area calls for the preservation of established

1676
02:23:02,080 --> 02:23:04,180
subdivisions and small-scale infill.

1677
02:23:04,700 --> 02:23:07,000
These properties also fall within tier 5

1678
02:23:07,000 --> 02:23:09,240
of the Boulder Crest Overlay District.

1679
02:23:09,960 --> 02:23:13,460
Tier 5 is a predominantly single-family residential area

1680
02:23:13,920 --> 02:23:17,220
and the proposed intent of the Boulder Crest Overlay

1681
02:23:17,660 --> 02:23:19,980
is to protect established residential areas

1682
02:23:19,980 --> 02:23:23,340
from encroachment of incompatible or adverse uses

1683
02:23:23,340 --> 02:23:25,200
and to protect the health, safety,

1684
02:23:25,680 --> 02:23:27,900
and welfare of the citizens of the cab.

1685
02:23:28,420 --> 02:23:30,960
Tier 5 prohibits all office, all transportation,

1686
02:23:30,960 --> 02:23:37,200
all storage, service, commercial and all industrial uses as those uses due to their intensity

1687
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:43,660
and form are not compatible with the single-family residential uses. While utility structures

1688
02:23:43,660 --> 02:23:50,220
are allowed with an approved slup in this tier of the overlay, the proposed plan to data

1689
02:23:50,220 --> 02:23:55,960
center as noted on the applicant's site plan is just not appear to be a utility structure as

1690
02:23:55,960 --> 02:24:01,280
word is commonly understood. It appears to require a much larger building, a footprint,

1691
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:06,180
and a much larger impact on community resources than a standard utility structure that we've

1692
02:24:06,180 --> 02:24:13,000
reviewed previously. Again, based on the applicant's site plan and application. So based on the

1693
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:18,060
applicant's submitted information, the application does not appear to comply with the suburban

1694
02:24:18,060 --> 02:24:25,940
character area of the comprehensive plan, nor the purpose and intent of tier five of the

1695
02:24:25,940 --> 02:24:33,480
of Section 746B, which is compatibility of the proposed use with adjacent properties, as well

1696
02:24:33,480 --> 02:24:41,760
as 746H, consistency with policies of the concept of PRAH and Section 746N, whether

1697
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:46,620
the proposed use is consistent with the needs of the neighborhood. All of those are, of course,

1698
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,220
from the DeCab County zoning ordinance. It is the recommendation of the Planning Department

1699
02:24:50,220 --> 02:24:52,780
that this application be denied. Thank you.

1700
02:24:52,780 --> 02:24:55,260
Thank you very much, Ms. Fragg.

1701
02:24:55,820 --> 02:24:56,830
Do we have a motion?

1702
02:24:59,180 --> 02:24:59,920
This is for decision.

1703
02:25:02,020 --> 02:25:04,820
Motion to defer to the...

1704
02:25:06,660 --> 02:25:07,600
Excuse me.

1705
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,200
Go ahead, Mr. Messiah.

1706
02:25:09,440 --> 02:25:09,640
Please.

1707
02:25:10,180 --> 02:25:12,260
Order in the auditorium, please.

1708
02:25:13,440 --> 02:25:16,760
Motion to defer to the June zoning cycle.

1709
02:25:17,860 --> 02:25:18,960
Thank you for your motion.

1710
02:25:19,060 --> 02:25:19,760
Do we have a second?

1711
02:25:24,580 --> 02:25:26,880
We have had a motion to thank you very much.

1712
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:29,020
Commissioner Bolton has seconded.

1713
02:25:29,020 --> 02:25:42,500
Commissioner Missiah has requested to speak. You do have the floor man. Thank you so much. I've communicated and I'll reiterate for the benefit of my colleagues and this audience and anyone else who cares.

1714
02:25:43,420 --> 02:25:57,000
It is very important to make sure that we have an amendment that actually protects our residents first and foremost. I've had a number of people to ask me why are we dealing with this in the first place.

1715
02:25:57,000 --> 02:25:59,960
We have to, because as it stands,

1716
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:06,440
that a center isn't in our zoning ordinance.

1717
02:26:07,100 --> 02:26:14,060
Planning is doing a great job, have put together some amendment, a text amendment, that at

1718
02:26:14,060 --> 02:26:17,720
this point, minor settings, they're pretty proud of, as a commissioner.

1719
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:22,800
I want to make sure that I allow for an opportunity to flush it out, to be able to talk more

1720
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:27,720
with constituents, and that's what I've heard from the people I've had discussions with,

1721
02:26:27,720 --> 02:26:30,100
is that they want to be able to have an opportunity

1722
02:26:30,100 --> 02:26:31,320
to review it as well.

1723
02:26:31,620 --> 02:26:35,420
There's been calls for studies and additional information.

1724
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:40,740
Before we approve deny or do anything else,

1725
02:26:41,320 --> 02:26:45,180
we have to make sure we have the protection in place.

1726
02:26:45,820 --> 02:26:50,220
So I'm not willing to approve or deny either way

1727
02:26:50,220 --> 02:26:54,200
until I get a tax amendment in place

1728
02:26:54,200 --> 02:26:56,820
so that we can use that as a criteria

1729
02:26:56,820 --> 02:27:02,540
to make a determination as to how we move forward with this issue that we're all dealing with,

1730
02:27:02,540 --> 02:27:05,500
which is the data centers, with that, how you'll back to you, Manpheo.

1731
02:27:06,760 --> 02:27:10,940
Thank you very much. Seeing no other requests to speak, please up in the machines for a vote.

1732
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:14,160
That motion again was a deferral to the June zoning cycle.

1733
02:27:14,620 --> 02:27:21,340
Sorry, just to clarify, it would actually be that the only options are a May or July zoning cycle,

1734
02:27:22,340 --> 02:27:25,520
so the July zoning cycle would start with community council in June.

1735
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:27,560
Yes, the net's great because community council.

1736
02:27:28,180 --> 02:27:34,240
So that's great, your amendment, my amendment, my amendment motion is to defer to the July zoning cycle.

1737
02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:35,000
Thank you.

1738
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:36,140
Does the second stand?

1739
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:39,980
All righty, machines are open for vote, please.

1740
02:27:45,850 --> 02:27:50,450
All righty, that deferral to the July zoning cycle does pass.

1741
02:27:51,670 --> 02:27:53,630
Moving on to our appeals.

1742
02:27:54,070 --> 02:27:55,490
Nothing is there today.

1743
02:27:55,550 --> 02:27:56,730
We have no appeals.

1744
02:27:57,330 --> 02:27:58,690
Next section of our agenda.

1745
02:27:58,690 --> 02:28:00,650
and we're in the middle of page five.

1746
02:28:01,270 --> 02:28:03,390
Our appointment is not requiring board action,

1747
02:28:03,750 --> 02:28:05,670
so I will simply read them into the record.

1748
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:11,310
The first item, district two, 2026-0111.

1749
02:28:11,550 --> 02:28:15,130
Appointment, a field of submission to the Cab County Women's Commission.

1750
02:28:15,350 --> 02:28:16,610
Very excited about.

1751
02:28:17,610 --> 02:28:23,930
Next item, 2025-1843, Commission District six and two.

1752
02:28:24,270 --> 02:28:27,050
Recording of the appointment, everyone, please keep your voices down.

1753
02:28:27,050 --> 02:28:30,150
Please keep your voices down.

1754
02:28:30,630 --> 02:28:35,550
Recording of the appointment of Daniel Dan Ruter to the District 2 Community Council Board.

1755
02:28:37,110 --> 02:28:40,010
That completes the items to be read into their record.

1756
02:28:40,610 --> 02:28:43,130
There are no additional appointments today.

1757
02:28:43,870 --> 02:28:46,070
Now we're at the top of page 6.

1758
02:28:47,910 --> 02:28:51,210
And we have several consent agenda items.

1759
02:28:51,690 --> 02:28:52,390
Are you ready?

1760
02:28:52,390 --> 02:28:52,990
Deputy Pres.

1761
02:28:55,550 --> 02:29:03,730
All right, 1844 termination of standard office lease agreement was Robert Marslander Real Estate Services.

1762
02:29:04,510 --> 02:29:05,170
Move for action.

1763
02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:08,690
1845 termination of standardized T-hanger space.

1764
02:29:09,130 --> 02:29:11,230
Lease agreement with Dean Hal Depollas.

1765
02:29:11,450 --> 02:29:12,290
Move for action.

1766
02:29:13,250 --> 02:29:17,610
1841 approval of minutes for the January 6, 2026 committee of the home meeting.

1767
02:29:17,950 --> 02:29:18,570
Move for action.

1768
02:29:20,030 --> 02:29:25,250
0118 allocation of 100,000 into Cab County General Funds approved and obligated through the

1769
02:29:26,310 --> 02:29:31,250
2025 0883 Advalorum Tax Millage rates and budget revisions to the Cab County Chamber

1770
02:29:31,250 --> 02:29:37,010
Commerce for the establishment of a CID and or business district along Memorial Drive

1771
02:29:37,470 --> 02:29:37,810
corridor.

1772
02:29:39,390 --> 02:29:46,470
Top of page 7-0167 and item to schedule January 21 through 23 as a special

1773
02:29:46,470 --> 02:29:52,350
call meeting for the purpose of an executive session for the Board of Directors, a Board of Commissioners Chief of Staff

1774
02:29:52,350 --> 02:29:53,230
Interviews.

1775
02:29:53,230 --> 02:29:54,190
We're request to move that.

1776
02:29:54,270 --> 02:29:54,970
Remove that from consent.

1777
02:29:55,310 --> 02:29:55,650
Okay.

1778
02:29:55,870 --> 02:29:56,490
Request to move.

1779
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:59,030
So we are taking that item 0.67.

1780
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,660
We'll be taking off the consent agenda, and we will discuss it afterwards. Moving on, 1848, to prove

1781
02:30:07,660 --> 02:30:14,300
an amount not to exceed 5,000 of District 6, ARPI funding to support two programs benefiting veterans.

1782
02:30:14,740 --> 02:30:20,860
Move for action. 1672, approval of the minutes of the Board of Commission, meeting of December 9.

1783
02:30:23,420 --> 02:30:27,160
1792, approval of the minutes of the Board of Commission, meeting of December 16.

1784
02:30:35,140 --> 02:30:41,200
We are now

1785
02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:49,740
at the top of page 8, 1840 establishing qualifying fees for public office.

1786
02:30:52,820 --> 02:31:06,680
1803, 1803, Acceptance of Federal Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act, Rapid Response Grant for Disclosed, Dislocated Worker, Disco Year 2026 from the Technical College System of Georgia not to exceed 55,000.

1787
02:31:06,680 --> 02:31:13,780
We'll fracture a manpio, I have a motion to approve agenda item and again 1, 8, 4, 4.

1788
02:31:14,020 --> 02:31:19,700
Agenda item ending in 1, 8, 4, 5. Agenda item ending in 1, 8, 4, 1.

1789
02:31:20,420 --> 02:31:23,800
Agenda item ending in 0, 1, 1, 8.

1790
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:27,280
Agenda item ending in 1, 8, 4, 8.

1791
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:30,840
Agenda item ending in 1, 6, 7, 2.

1792
02:31:31,300 --> 02:31:34,120
Agenda item ending in 1, 7, 9, 2.

1793
02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:48,760
agenda item, and again 1, 8, 3, 6 agenda item, and again 1, 8, 3, 7 agenda item, and again 1, 8, 4, 0, and agenda item, and 1, 8, 0, 3.

1794
02:31:49,100 --> 02:31:49,620
Please set the button.

1795
02:31:49,880 --> 02:31:50,480
Do we have a second?

1796
02:31:51,940 --> 02:31:55,820
Thank you, Commissioner Johnson, see no request to speak open the machines for vote.

1797
02:31:59,530 --> 02:32:02,050
Our consent agenda does pass.

1798
02:32:02,270 --> 02:32:04,690
We did have one removed from the list.

1799
02:32:05,250 --> 02:32:09,430
We are at the top of page seven, item 2026-0167.

1800
02:32:09,550 --> 02:32:11,150
It's a district five-sponsored item.

1801
02:32:11,390 --> 02:32:15,170
An item to schedule January 21, through January 23,

1802
02:32:15,350 --> 02:32:17,050
as a special called meeting for the purposes

1803
02:32:17,050 --> 02:32:19,930
of an executive session for Board of Commissioners Chief

1804
02:32:19,930 --> 02:32:20,670
of Staff interviews.

1805
02:32:20,870 --> 02:32:21,670
Do we have a motion?

1806
02:32:25,570 --> 02:32:27,110
Motion to approve the item.

1807
02:32:27,690 --> 02:32:29,290
Second, I have a question.

1808
02:32:29,290 --> 02:32:32,110
Do you want to just hit request to speak for me?

1809
02:32:32,610 --> 02:32:32,730
All right.

1810
02:32:32,750 --> 02:32:33,670
You have the floor.

1811
02:32:34,170 --> 02:32:34,950
Thank you, Madam Chair.

1812
02:32:35,390 --> 02:32:39,290
Since Commissioner Davis Johnson introduced this agenda item, I would like to just hear

1813
02:32:41,450 --> 02:32:48,930
what her intention with these three days just for scheduling these interviews

1814
02:32:49,930 --> 02:32:56,790
is the intent that we're going to re-interview all of the finalists.

1815
02:32:56,790 --> 02:33:02,090
Or are we going to interview the finalists that have already been interviewed in December?

1816
02:33:03,110 --> 02:33:04,630
You know, we don't have to yield some lifetime for her to respond.

1817
02:33:05,390 --> 02:33:14,750
We, the Board of Commissioners, has not interviewed any candidate for Chief of Staff.

1818
02:33:15,730 --> 02:33:24,450
So my intent with introducing this is to give us an opportunity to interview all eight families

1819
02:33:25,730 --> 02:33:37,110
that have been selected by HR to serve as I, to be interviewed and can sit it as

1820
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:46,190
I chief of staff. I initially stated two, I was acting off at the time when she

1821
02:33:46,190 --> 02:33:52,710
talked about the December that that was not a good time for interviews. And

1822
02:33:52,710 --> 02:34:01,910
But then it was not good for the commission because there was no one there but two commissioners.

1823
02:34:02,310 --> 02:34:10,310
And so thus they could not the commission could not move forward with interviewing.

1824
02:34:10,310 --> 02:34:29,410
So, thus, my motion was to interview the candidates in January, I respect HR's diligence

1825
02:34:29,930 --> 02:34:39,250
and narrowing it down to eight candidates, I think that was what was requested, but I don't

1826
02:34:39,250 --> 02:34:44,790
I think it was requested from this board for them to have

1827
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:46,750
interviews for the board.

1828
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:50,930
And so therefore, since the board could not personally

1829
02:34:50,930 --> 02:34:57,850
interact or ask questions to see the demeanor of those

1830
02:34:57,850 --> 02:35:02,930
answers based upon their interaction with individual board

1831
02:35:02,930 --> 02:35:03,650
members.

1832
02:35:03,650 --> 02:35:14,270
I think that that would have been a crucial aspect in determining something as significant

1833
02:35:15,650 --> 02:35:19,590
as a chief of staff for the commissioners.

1834
02:35:19,810 --> 02:35:20,310
Oh, yeah.

1835
02:35:20,510 --> 02:35:21,870
I would like to see all.

1836
02:35:21,870 --> 02:35:22,090
Okay.

1837
02:35:22,310 --> 02:35:23,250
Under eight.

1838
02:35:23,330 --> 02:35:24,110
All right.

1839
02:35:24,670 --> 02:35:24,970
Candidates.

1840
02:35:25,250 --> 02:35:26,370
Interviewed by this board.

1841
02:35:26,710 --> 02:35:26,890
Okay.

1842
02:35:26,930 --> 02:35:29,510
Thank you for clarifying that Commissioner Davis Johnson.

1843
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:37,230
And I do just want to remark that this really has been a saga for us to do something that

1844
02:35:37,230 --> 02:35:39,890
really is something that should be very straightforward.

1845
02:35:41,030 --> 02:35:48,490
Professional organization would recognize going on almost two years now that we don't have

1846
02:35:48,490 --> 02:35:49,370
a chief of staff.

1847
02:35:49,470 --> 02:35:50,930
We have an interim chief of staff.

1848
02:35:51,450 --> 02:35:56,770
This goes back to two presiding officers ago, which Commissioner Davis Johnson was the presiding

1849
02:35:56,770 --> 02:36:05,490
officer. And we spent months deliberating whether we were going to do a search. And so

1850
02:36:05,490 --> 02:36:09,930
that took like a year to decide we're going to do a search. And then it took months

1851
02:36:09,930 --> 02:36:17,230
later to say, OK, let's just do a search. And then HR laid out the timeline. Months in

1852
02:36:17,230 --> 02:36:26,230
advance. They're doing their professional job as professionals to follow a process, a professional

1853
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:31,970
process. So when you come in at the very last minute and say actually I don't like this process

1854
02:36:31,970 --> 02:36:37,710
when we're already at the end of it, it's just disrespectful to all of your colleagues and everyone

1855
02:36:37,710 --> 02:36:45,550
who applied for the job and did interview, let's just correct the record there, there were interviews,

1856
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:57,840
HR recorded the interviews, there were transcripts of the interviews and trying to follow the process

1857
02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:06,180
This, even though I wasn't able to be there in person, I may time over the holidays to meet

1858
02:37:06,180 --> 02:37:10,900
the deadline that HR requested, just to have it done by the end of the year, literally

1859
02:37:10,900 --> 02:37:21,220
spent five hours on New Year's Eve, watching five hours of Chief of Staff interviews.

1860
02:37:22,560 --> 02:37:27,220
And then I scored all of them because that's the process that we agreed to.

1861
02:37:28,400 --> 02:37:32,960
So you come in here at the last minute saying, we're going to interview them all over again.

1862
02:37:33,800 --> 02:37:36,300
Well, if I was them, I'd be like, no thanks.

1863
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:41,400
Warning, red flag dysfunction ahead.

1864
02:37:43,120 --> 02:37:44,800
Three of them don't even live in Georgia.

1865
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:49,840
So we're going to make them interview again in person.

1866
02:37:52,900 --> 02:37:55,900
These candidates have been scored.

1867
02:37:56,960 --> 02:38:00,520
A majority of us filled out the matrix.

1868
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:09,440
So I'm okay with this schedule to interview finalists,

1869
02:38:10,360 --> 02:38:13,000
not to interview everyone over again.

1870
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:14,320
I already did that.

1871
02:38:15,420 --> 02:38:17,640
So whatever the board decides,

1872
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,640
if we end up just interviewing everyone again, I'm just not

1873
02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:26,620
going to participate because I already did it.

1874
02:38:27,040 --> 02:38:28,020
I already gave them a scores.

1875
02:38:28,980 --> 02:38:38,220
I might suggest that the three commissioners that didn't do what we all agreed to just set

1876
02:38:38,220 --> 02:38:48,280
Sometimes with HR and watch the video, read the transcript, and do your score. What's so

1877
02:38:48,280 --> 02:38:55,560
hard about that? What's so hard about doing our job, following a professional process,

1878
02:38:56,520 --> 02:39:02,100
do the scores, we'll get the finalists. And then on the 21st, 22nd, 23rd, we can interview

1879
02:39:02,100 --> 02:39:05,400
the finalists. We don't need to take three days to do it. We can probably do it one day.

1880
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:07,220
And let's just keep this thing moving.

1881
02:39:07,540 --> 02:39:08,740
All this is 2026.

1882
02:39:09,940 --> 02:39:13,260
The cheapest staff thing has been on our agenda for two years.

1883
02:39:14,360 --> 02:39:16,320
Let's move forward, please.

1884
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:19,850
Thank you very much.

1885
02:39:19,870 --> 02:39:23,050
I'm going to pass the gavel to the deputy presiding officers.

1886
02:39:23,050 --> 02:39:24,510
I deliver my comments.

1887
02:39:25,950 --> 02:39:27,450
So, per our blue book,

1888
02:39:27,470 --> 02:39:31,110
the presiding officer does it vise the cheapest staff.

1889
02:39:31,570 --> 02:39:33,950
I went back and forth with the law department

1890
02:39:33,950 --> 02:39:39,310
over several months, one of the individuals that I met with and received

1891
02:39:39,310 --> 02:39:42,850
advisement from is no longer with the county, our former county attorney,

1892
02:39:42,970 --> 02:39:48,510
Mr. Linkus. And Mr. Linkus and the a few other county attorneys stated

1893
02:39:48,510 --> 02:39:53,510
to me that I was perfectly in my right to move as presiding officer, to move

1894
02:39:53,510 --> 02:40:02,030
forward with us securing hiring a new chief of staff. And so just to correct the

1895
02:40:02,030 --> 02:40:10,190
record so that everybody is clear on what happened here is our Chief of Staff position for

1896
02:40:10,190 --> 02:40:17,910
the Board of Commissioners, each office has their own Chief of Staff. And then we, as a collective board, do have a Chief of Staff.

1897
02:40:18,330 --> 02:40:29,490
Ms. Deyam McKenzie has served in that interim role now. I believe for over a roughly a year and a half at this point in time. Is that correct, Ms. McKenzie?

1898
02:40:30,570 --> 02:40:33,710
about 14 months she has served as interim.

1899
02:40:34,730 --> 02:40:39,070
We began this conversation as Commissioner Terry pointed out quite some time ago.

1900
02:40:39,790 --> 02:40:45,770
Last summer we had a meeting, everyone decided it was really time to move forward.

1901
02:40:46,210 --> 02:40:53,550
We couldn't decide on anything as a board with four votes to move forward with a particular candidate at that point in time.

1902
02:40:53,550 --> 02:41:00,810
So, my next step was to go to HR, as you would imagine, that's, you know, how this stuff works.

1903
02:41:01,330 --> 02:41:07,330
You go to the HR professional, the HR professional, who was also no longer with this director ransom.

1904
02:41:08,070 --> 02:41:13,490
It advised me on how she felt was best to move forward, what was the best practice

1905
02:41:13,490 --> 02:41:16,510
and securing a chief of staff.

1906
02:41:16,510 --> 02:41:23,090
So, she prepared a plan for us, she noticed the position.

1907
02:41:23,950 --> 02:41:30,470
I believe we started to receive some of our first resumes in September or early October.

1908
02:41:30,650 --> 02:41:35,470
So somewhere in that timeframe, so again, I'm pointing out the timeline here.

1909
02:41:36,110 --> 02:41:38,150
We've been 14 months with an interim.

1910
02:41:38,930 --> 02:41:43,610
We had, let's say September is when we started receiving our first applications,

1911
02:41:43,610 --> 02:41:46,250
of people that were interested in that position.

1912
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:53,610
One of the things she was concerned about is that if we did not move according to the timeline

1913
02:41:53,610 --> 02:42:00,270
that she established that we would lose the candidates that were interested, these are people

1914
02:42:00,270 --> 02:42:04,130
seeking employment that want another job.

1915
02:42:05,130 --> 02:42:10,310
And at that point, they're probably not just entertaining to cab counties, B.O.C., Chief

1916
02:42:10,310 --> 02:42:16,870
staff position. And so there was a great deal of due diligence and energy put into helping

1917
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:23,570
the Board of Commissioners on Director-Ransem's part, her deputy and other HR members to truly

1918
02:42:23,570 --> 02:42:32,870
support us in our efforts. Fast forward to, fast forward to November. And I will probably request

1919
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:38,690
a second time to speak and actually have this timeline already typed out is that we would host

1920
02:42:38,690 --> 02:42:47,470
It was recommended by HR to host the interviews on December 2nd, and so I put it out there.

1921
02:42:47,790 --> 02:42:54,890
We didn't get any feedback about the December 2nd until, and I can give you the exact date,

1922
02:42:55,350 --> 02:43:02,010
and again, all of this is in writing. November 21st, that was for everybody's knowledge,

1923
02:43:02,010 --> 02:43:05,910
the Friday before Thanksgiving.

1924
02:43:06,570 --> 02:43:08,950
We had already direct a ransom.

1925
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:13,210
HR had already scheduled eight interviews

1926
02:43:13,210 --> 02:43:15,290
for December 2nd.

1927
02:43:15,470 --> 02:43:19,280
Friday evening, there is a series of text and communication

1928
02:43:19,970 --> 02:43:23,300
about wanting to reschedule it from December 2nd.

1929
02:43:24,250 --> 02:43:27,210
Now note, again the following week was Thanksgiving week.

1930
02:43:27,570 --> 02:43:29,030
Okay, that seems reasonable.

1931
02:43:29,410 --> 02:43:29,930
I gotcha.

1932
02:43:29,930 --> 02:43:34,450
So, we decided to reschedule those interviews.

1933
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:45,370
Initially, December 2nd, we pushed it to Thursday and Friday, December 18th and December 19th.

1934
02:43:45,390 --> 02:43:49,950
Went to law department, I mapped out two options for the commissioners.

1935
02:43:50,510 --> 02:43:55,150
Option one is that, for an executive session to host these in-person interviews,

1936
02:43:55,150 --> 02:44:12,250
we were required to have quorum, which is four commissioners. Option two was to have less than quorum and not a quorum of the Ops committee to be able to host the virtual,

1937
02:44:12,290 --> 02:44:21,690
again, these were virtual interviews, as long as there was less than four, and it ended up being Commissioner Messiah myself for us to host these interviews.

1938
02:44:21,690 --> 02:44:28,490
that were already rescheduled once, and then asked to be rescheduled a second time.

1939
02:44:29,550 --> 02:44:36,950
Then, after we made this decision, a full week went by, a week, one week went by.

1940
02:44:37,410 --> 02:44:41,930
It was a Monday, and again, I can get that date for everybody to establish a very clear

1941
02:44:41,930 --> 02:44:48,230
timeline, is that I said, by close a business, please provide me your feedback on us doing

1942
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:59,970
December 18th and December 19th. Guess what? Crickets until the following Monday. Okay, and these had already been received.

1943
02:45:01,380 --> 02:45:29,980
So I said no. No. We are not going to disrupt the integrity of this process. I worked very hard behind the scenes with both HR and law to figure out how to host these interviews without having to reschedule yet a third time, so that we don't look fragmented or look like we had the inability to make a decision.

1944
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:35,340
decision on a critical role, such as the BOC Chief of Staff.

1945
02:45:35,980 --> 02:45:44,300
So we developed a process of hosting these interviews online 45 minutes with Commissioner

1946
02:45:44,300 --> 02:45:52,320
Messiah and myself, HR, created a scorecard for all of the commissioners to go back and review

1947
02:45:52,320 --> 02:45:53,320
the video.

1948
02:45:53,320 --> 02:46:04,760
We took it a step further to make sure that Commissioner Messiah and I did not ask any additional questions of the candidates.

1949
02:46:05,420 --> 02:46:12,200
We opened up the meeting and we closed the meeting and that was our role.

1950
02:46:12,200 --> 02:46:26,040
We were hard to, again, maintain the integrity of the interview process as well as the integrity of each interview.

1951
02:46:26,500 --> 02:46:39,140
And what we tried, and I believe that we were successful and we accomplished this, as we hosted all eight interviews virtually over a day and a half, we did not ask additional questions.

1952
02:46:39,140 --> 02:46:45,040
We did not comment, and then what we did is we asked the other commissioners to please

1953
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:50,040
Completure score cards by December 31st, which was my birthday

1954
02:46:50,740 --> 02:46:53,780
And so with December 19th to December 31st

1955
02:46:54,420 --> 02:46:59,680
After they had kind of just trickled in at that point we said okay, HR

1956
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:02,840
Why don't we just extend it and again HR?

1957
02:47:03,260 --> 02:47:09,040
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. We extended the opportunity for the commissioners

1958
02:47:09,140 --> 02:47:12,860
to complete and submit their scorecards.

1959
02:47:13,460 --> 02:47:18,900
I am proud to say that four commissioners completed their scorecards.

1960
02:47:19,380 --> 02:47:22,020
I know that one commission had intended to do so,

1961
02:47:22,340 --> 02:47:23,940
but had not been feeling well.

1962
02:47:24,440 --> 02:47:27,360
And so I truly believe that there are actually five commissioners

1963
02:47:27,360 --> 02:47:31,220
that wanted to embrace the interview process.

1964
02:47:32,060 --> 02:47:35,960
One, that did not want to kick the can down the road

1965
02:47:35,960 --> 02:47:39,660
any further than we had been doing.

1966
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:43,480
Three is to respect the candidates.

1967
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:46,220
Again, I'll repeat that.

1968
02:47:46,440 --> 02:47:51,920
Let's respect the people who expressed interest in serving

1969
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:55,640
and what I believe is a very difficult position

1970
02:47:55,640 --> 02:47:59,900
to manage seven commissioners and seven offices

1971
02:47:59,900 --> 02:48:03,020
that is no joke quite frankly.

1972
02:48:03,020 --> 02:48:14,080
And third is that we did follow the advisement and the guidance of our lead HR expert and

1973
02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:15,520
the Cab County government.

1974
02:48:16,300 --> 02:48:20,620
So quite frankly, commissioners, I'm not pursuing PO after today.

1975
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:22,240
You guys all know that.

1976
02:48:22,500 --> 02:48:27,100
I'm not objecting to January 21st through 23rd, which is fine by me.

1977
02:48:27,140 --> 02:48:28,320
I wrote it in the email.

1978
02:48:28,420 --> 02:48:29,300
Hey, that's good.

1979
02:48:29,300 --> 02:48:30,320
That works for me.

1980
02:48:30,320 --> 02:48:37,480
But what I would suggest is that we do not waste eight more folks, eight people.

1981
02:48:37,500 --> 02:48:43,500
The people have already interviewed to come back and interview all eight of them again.

1982
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:46,760
What I would suggest is you complete your score card.

1983
02:48:47,280 --> 02:48:50,740
Let's select the top two, four, even five candidates.

1984
02:48:51,360 --> 02:48:53,440
Bring them back for an in-person interview.

1985
02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:57,260
And with permission to Terry, I was present.

1986
02:48:57,720 --> 02:48:59,440
I went back and watched the videos.

1987
02:48:59,440 --> 02:49:08,640
I am pleased with how that process. Everybody had an opportunity to participate. And if you chose not to,

1988
02:49:08,640 --> 02:49:16,720
that's not on us. Don't penalize the candidates. Just look at the video. I think you will find,

1989
02:49:17,620 --> 02:49:23,680
is that again, we made sure that this process wasn't grounded in integrity.

1990
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:31,180
was grounded and best practice, was grounded in doing what was right for this commission and those

1991
02:49:31,180 --> 02:49:35,900
that expressed interest. I yield back. Commissioner Missura, you have a floor.

1992
02:49:38,030 --> 02:49:39,190
Thank you so much,

1993
02:49:39,610 --> 02:49:48,430
Madame Peo. As Commissioner Longspir shared, I participated in the interview process. I do know

1994
02:49:48,430 --> 02:49:54,810
that we tried to take into consideration the concerns and make sure that we didn't ask because we

1995
02:49:54,810 --> 02:50:02,210
to keep it fair. And I wanted to make sure that, I mean, even with the comments, the notes,

1996
02:50:02,390 --> 02:50:09,590
with everything that our colleagues had an opportunity to understand where we were coming from,

1997
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:16,070
but also keeping it as fair as possible. There was a candidate that it communicated that she

1998
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:18,610
that I'm waiting to interview since October.

1999
02:50:20,030 --> 02:50:28,150
And so it is a concern of my in terms of the candidates' time

2000
02:50:28,150 --> 02:50:31,670
and being able to come back in person.

2001
02:50:32,190 --> 02:50:36,370
Make sure that even with some of our folks from our own

2002
02:50:36,370 --> 02:50:39,830
that are on staff now make sure that they understood

2003
02:50:41,450 --> 02:50:44,090
that these interviews are being conducted

2004
02:50:44,090 --> 02:50:46,650
and handled on board.

2005
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:49,950
Everyone was referred to by their last name.

2006
02:50:50,650 --> 02:50:52,870
There was no, you know, the same questions were

2007
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:57,590
acts, the same process was done just to keep a uniformity

2008
02:50:57,590 --> 02:51:00,330
and not have any impression whatsoever

2009
02:51:01,010 --> 02:51:04,810
of any bias or create any additional issues.

2010
02:51:05,070 --> 02:51:07,310
I will share that I'm for one.

2011
02:51:07,430 --> 02:51:13,350
I'm challenged with being able to have another two days.

2012
02:51:14,090 --> 02:51:17,910
to commit to a process that I've already involved

2013
02:51:18,610 --> 02:51:20,550
and committed to.

2014
02:51:21,270 --> 02:51:22,030
It is tedious,

2015
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:26,730
the interviews for an hour long for each.

2016
02:51:27,570 --> 02:51:29,670
And then there was a break, sometimes in a very

2017
02:51:29,670 --> 02:51:33,150
in-between, so you're literally going the whole day.

2018
02:51:33,270 --> 02:51:36,530
And we went the whole day and then to turn around

2019
02:51:36,530 --> 02:51:39,090
and to start doing the same thing at 9 o'clock

2020
02:51:39,090 --> 02:51:40,530
in the morning the next day.

2021
02:51:41,090 --> 02:51:43,350
So I am challenged in having the ability

2022
02:51:43,350 --> 02:51:50,330
to be able to do that all over again to the extent that we are amenable and can find another

2023
02:51:50,330 --> 02:51:56,730
resolution. That works for everyone, then that would be great. But I just wanted to share,

2024
02:51:56,730 --> 02:52:02,290
you know, my thoughts and my experience in participating in that interview process. I'm concerned

2025
02:52:02,290 --> 02:52:08,330
about the candidates and you know, their abilities, especially during this time taking an employment

2026
02:52:09,470 --> 02:52:18,390
And to be able to do what they need to do for their own time and at a respect for ours as well with that I go back to you on P.O.

2027
02:52:18,750 --> 02:52:19,830
Thank you very much.

2028
02:52:20,190 --> 02:52:21,730
Commissioner Davis, Charleston, you have the floor.

2029
02:52:22,110 --> 02:52:23,530
Thank you.

2030
02:52:24,150 --> 02:52:28,590
Yeah, you know, I'm taking nothing from HR.

2031
02:52:29,310 --> 02:52:31,810
You all did your job.

2032
02:52:32,610 --> 02:52:34,190
And I appreciate that.

2033
02:52:34,190 --> 02:52:45,730
And that is to narrow it down to the eight families that was presented to us from there.

2034
02:52:45,890 --> 02:52:48,350
It is I God to take it from there.

2035
02:52:48,910 --> 02:52:54,970
And I tell you, I understand the procedure of hiring

2036
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:00,560
and I appreciate that procedure

2037
02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:01,380
of hiring.

2038
02:53:01,380 --> 02:53:21,040
When there's an opening in my office, I go through a procedure, and I make sure that the finalists, I interview, because those are the ones that I will be working with.

2039
02:53:21,040 --> 02:53:28,220
So, I want to know the chemistry, I want to know the interaction that I have with them

2040
02:53:28,220 --> 02:53:36,060
and they have with me, I want to know their sincerity, their dedication,

2041
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:39,440
their work habits

2042
02:53:40,060 --> 02:53:49,770
because all of that matter is not a rush for me to hire, it's a time for me to get a person

2043
02:53:49,770 --> 02:54:04,110
that I feel represent my values, represent my expectations for that job that is a good

2044
02:54:04,110 --> 02:54:10,410
communicator not only to me because you're not only communicating with me, you're communicating

2045
02:54:10,410 --> 02:54:19,270
with the public and I want to know that and I want to know that you have the capacity and

2046
02:54:19,270 --> 02:54:27,370
understanding and the heart and the dedication to do that, I can't have a third party

2047
02:54:27,370 --> 02:54:35,790
determined that. For me, I have to determine, for me, and that's the reason my employees

2048
02:54:36,840 --> 02:54:46,880
have been with me for 10 years, and I love them to them. And my community loves them to

2049
02:54:47,820 --> 02:54:49,820
And they know their jobs.

2050
02:54:50,060 --> 02:54:54,740
I don't have to evaluate them because they know what they

2051
02:54:54,740 --> 02:54:58,500
supposed to do because I let them know what they

2052
02:54:58,500 --> 02:54:59,420
supposed to do.

2053
02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:06,460
And if they don't do it, they know they don't see.

2054
02:55:07,020 --> 02:55:13,120
So I mean because we have that mutual respect for each other.

2055
02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:23,920
And I had the confidence in them to know that they're going to carry out the job that

2056
02:55:23,920 --> 02:55:26,060
I employed them to do.

2057
02:55:28,410 --> 02:55:38,910
And so I have to interview my candidates, not someone else, I love them to narrow it down

2058
02:55:38,910 --> 02:55:47,290
the press candidates, but once you get there, it's my job, it's I job. Now, I don't know

2059
02:55:47,290 --> 02:55:52,390
what options that the presiding officer is talking about, but what option that was closed

2060
02:55:52,390 --> 02:56:02,410
off was when I made this motion on December the 16th for us to all go into executive session

2061
02:56:02,410 --> 02:56:12,330
and discuss it. I was normal co-host. That was not an option for all the commissions to give

2062
02:56:12,330 --> 02:56:20,610
their consensus. I served as the presiding office also. And so what I would do is get the

2063
02:56:20,610 --> 02:56:33,850
consensus. I don't dictate to my colleagues or even to my staff was I've hired them because

2064
02:56:33,850 --> 02:56:36,350
Because I treasure their opinion.

2065
02:56:37,930 --> 02:56:41,910
So I don't dictate to them what I'm going to do.

2066
02:56:42,750 --> 02:56:51,850
I get a consensus as to what we should do and move forward on that.

2067
02:56:53,390 --> 02:57:02,030
So again, taking nothing away from HR, you all did your job, but your job is not to interview

2068
02:57:02,030 --> 02:57:03,310
My families,

2069
02:57:05,960 --> 02:57:12,080
and families of families, if they got another job, since they chose to interview them,

2070
02:57:13,560 --> 02:57:18,600
if they got another job between them, and the time that we come back in January,

2071
02:57:19,740 --> 02:57:21,220
it may not have meant to be,

2072
02:57:24,130 --> 02:57:28,330
but you have to interview and feel comfortable,

2073
02:57:28,510 --> 02:57:32,230
not let somebody else interview and feel comfortable.

2074
02:57:32,230 --> 02:57:40,970
everybody should interview as any questions that they need to ask, because they are serving us,

2075
02:57:41,610 --> 02:57:48,110
not HR, and if we had gotten to a consensus of everyone,

2076
02:57:50,530 --> 02:57:52,450
we wouldn't have had it.

2077
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:59,810
And maybe that's the reason we didn't have it, because we didn't get a consensus from all of the

2078
02:57:59,810 --> 02:58:08,370
missions, commissions, because it's better that we be accommodated than the people that

2079
02:58:08,370 --> 02:58:17,690
is applying so that we can make the right decision that we feel is right after we've

2080
02:58:17,690 --> 02:58:25,550
talked to, we're not asking them to come in. This is not the first interviewing that we've

2081
02:58:25,550 --> 02:58:32,490
for chief of staff since I've been here, because we've done it before, and we all participate

2082
02:58:33,510 --> 02:58:41,410
all seven of us participated in the interview. We didn't ask them to come across country.

2083
02:58:41,550 --> 02:58:45,170
I mean, why would you do that with technology?

2084
02:58:47,230 --> 02:58:55,530
We interviewed them on Zoom and that's how I

2085
02:58:55,530 --> 02:59:05,610
Besides otherwise, it's to interview them on Zoom, but something as crucial as the chief

2086
02:59:05,610 --> 02:59:15,410
of staff, hopefully it would be long-term, we should not rush it, and a decision should

2087
02:59:15,410 --> 02:59:23,550
not be based on the convenience of the applicants, they should be based on the convenience

2088
02:59:23,550 --> 02:59:35,190
of the commissioners who they will serve, and if we had gotten that consensus, it would have

2089
02:59:35,190 --> 02:59:44,350
been known that that was not what the commission wanted. But we didn't get that. It was

2090
02:59:44,350 --> 02:59:53,530
sort of bulldozed to us, the options that was given, and it was close off on these

2091
02:59:53,530 --> 02:59:59,010
December, the 16th when I say it.

2092
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,380
I make a motion to go in to Executive Session to discuss this normal course.

2093
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:17,660
And that was it. So I say something as important as the chief of staff's job. We should have the

2094
03:00:17,660 --> 03:00:26,780
opportunity for longevity for each of us to be able to ask the questions that we would like to ask,

2095
03:00:26,780 --> 03:00:37,620
and have feel comfortable for what it's candidate that we're interacting with, have to bring

2096
03:00:38,220 --> 03:00:42,480
to the Camp County and the Board of Commissioners.

2097
03:00:42,480 --> 03:00:43,760
So thank you.

2098
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:44,520
I'll be back.

2099
03:00:44,860 --> 03:00:45,480
All right.

2100
03:00:45,720 --> 03:00:47,260
Commissioner Johnson, you have the floor.

2101
03:00:47,400 --> 03:00:48,040
Thank you, madam.

2102
03:00:50,720 --> 03:01:07,680
I did take the opportunity to finish reviewing the eight interviews over the weekend, but I also did have issues with the way a consensus or lack of consensus was given to all the commissioners on a time to do the interviews in December.

2103
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:19,120
I do remember there's December 2nd date. We had committee so that was a conflict. I have a committee on every Tuesday that we meet and then an option was given out for December 18th.

2104
03:01:19,220 --> 03:01:26,680
I said I would try to make that work but it would be a hardship and then next thing I know it was given for two days, 18th and 19th.

2105
03:01:26,740 --> 03:01:37,020
I don't see that as consensus building. I see that as being told these dates are the only dates that are available to do these interviews and the interviews were already scheduled.

2106
03:01:37,020 --> 03:01:42,120
So that is where I had issues with being able to attend on those on the 18th.

2107
03:01:43,020 --> 03:01:50,020
However, I would appreciate if we could find a middle ground because I believe these applicants

2108
03:01:50,020 --> 03:01:52,900
have now interviewed with HR twice already.

2109
03:01:53,660 --> 03:01:58,520
And I don't, even though, because we are having a hard time getting a consensus

2110
03:01:58,520 --> 03:02:04,320
and coming up with the time for us to meet, I do not want to punish the applicants.

2111
03:02:04,320 --> 03:02:10,900
So if we could possibly look at the interviews and come up with a top four for us to interview

2112
03:02:10,900 --> 03:02:17,360
that might be a middle ground, because I do not want us to look as dysfunctional as we

2113
03:02:17,360 --> 03:02:25,060
are looking right now, but I do feel that I do not feel like I was really given an option

2114
03:02:25,060 --> 03:02:30,420
of a time that would be considered for me to be able to attend these interviews in December

2115
03:02:30,420 --> 03:02:35,380
that we wanted to try and push it back so that we wouldn't be in the situation.

2116
03:02:35,980 --> 03:02:40,600
So again, I'm asking my board of commissioners to consider a middle ground,

2117
03:02:40,800 --> 03:02:43,800
maybe review them, and we can interview the top four.

2118
03:02:44,400 --> 03:02:46,420
I think you could look at four or five.

2119
03:02:47,500 --> 03:02:48,800
I can do five.

2120
03:02:49,140 --> 03:02:51,040
If that is the middle ground, we can get that.

2121
03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:51,840
Look at those interviews.

2122
03:02:51,920 --> 03:02:53,360
Come up with your top five.

2123
03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:54,540
Do your scoring cards.

2124
03:02:55,420 --> 03:02:58,080
I will also say commissioner longspirers and a commissioner,

2125
03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:04,320
Messiah correct after they did not interject. They did not ask questions. All the interviews were

2126
03:03:04,320 --> 03:03:11,140
done the same way. So I think they are done fairly. But again, I do not want to penalize

2127
03:03:11,140 --> 03:03:16,420
the applicants to make them go through one or two more rounds of interviews. I do not think that's

2128
03:03:16,420 --> 03:03:28,040
fair to them. So that is my ask of my fellow commissioners. Thank you, I yield. Thank you very much,

2129
03:03:28,040 --> 03:03:32,900
I apologize, you've already had your first commissioner Bolton and then back to commissioner

2130
03:03:32,900 --> 03:03:33,480
Terry.

2131
03:03:34,380 --> 03:03:37,280
Okay, and I just want to interrupt you.

2132
03:03:37,340 --> 03:03:38,200
Oh, there you are.

2133
03:03:38,520 --> 03:03:40,440
Okay, commissioner Bolton then commissioner Patrick.

2134
03:03:43,010 --> 03:03:44,070
You have the floor commissioner.

2135
03:03:44,210 --> 03:03:45,090
Okay, yes ma'am.

2136
03:03:45,290 --> 03:03:46,690
No, I didn't see him on here either.

2137
03:03:46,790 --> 03:03:47,510
I was just checking.

2138
03:03:48,890 --> 03:03:51,610
So I wanted to iterate as well.

2139
03:03:52,150 --> 03:03:55,170
Bill, you did communicate effectively.

2140
03:03:55,430 --> 03:03:57,510
You reached out to us several times.

2141
03:03:57,510 --> 03:04:06,270
But I will say, the communication was convoluted for a new person coming in with all of the emails and text messages, excuse me, emails and text messages.

2142
03:04:07,090 --> 03:04:08,450
The process wasn't clear.

2143
03:04:09,270 --> 03:04:20,610
And so I made an attempt for us to have a conversation and I understand now the way I requested that was the request wasn't made appropriately, essentially.

2144
03:04:20,610 --> 03:04:30,410
I guess because it was decont, but given that we never had a conversation about the process

2145
03:04:30,410 --> 03:04:36,170
and we were expected to digest it through email, I think that's where a lot of the confusion

2146
03:04:36,170 --> 03:04:43,250
came from when you consider there were several dates suggested, but there was never consensus

2147
03:04:43,250 --> 03:04:47,550
among the dates, but we just continued to schedule them without consensus.

2148
03:04:47,550 --> 03:04:56,890
I think was a major concern, and what I would like to see, well, let me say this first,

2149
03:04:57,230 --> 03:05:04,230
my understanding of the January 21st to the 23rd date was that we were rescheduling final

2150
03:05:04,230 --> 03:05:11,490
interviews from the 14th to the 21st, but requests to do all eight, like you indicated Commissioner

2151
03:05:11,490 --> 03:05:21,110
Johnson is quite a bit, I would be amenable to the top five, especially considering there

2152
03:05:21,110 --> 03:05:27,410
was no standard protocol for us to follow and it's seen adjustments were constantly being

2153
03:05:27,410 --> 03:05:35,430
made to accommodate requests and it just got away from us so I would rather just stick with

2154
03:05:35,430 --> 03:05:39,630
the nice round number top five January 21st, the best

2155
03:05:39,630 --> 03:05:43,910
the date that we choose so we don't have to consume a

2156
03:05:43,910 --> 03:05:46,270
bunch more time moving forward and I want to remind

2157
03:05:46,270 --> 03:05:50,170
commissioners we are on page eight of 26 and it is

2158
03:05:50,170 --> 03:05:55,030
after noon. I call the question.

2159
03:05:59,260 --> 03:06:01,000
Can we amend the motion please.

2160
03:06:01,320 --> 03:06:01,760
Sure.

2161
03:06:02,420 --> 03:06:06,760
Madam chair to the maker of the motion, would you be open to a

2162
03:06:06,760 --> 03:06:10,520
friendly amendment to interview the top five candidates.

2163
03:06:10,940 --> 03:06:12,600
All right, all right, my second stance.

2164
03:06:14,000 --> 03:06:16,720
All righty, okay, so we've had an amended motion,

2165
03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:20,680
which I support, by the way, to amend it

2166
03:06:20,680 --> 03:06:22,920
to interviewing the top five candidates.

2167
03:06:23,780 --> 03:06:26,200
Oh, we actually, we have to vote on call the question.

2168
03:06:26,740 --> 03:06:29,840
All right, so you've called the question, who's second to it?

2169
03:06:30,200 --> 03:06:30,640
All second.

2170
03:06:30,820 --> 03:06:31,180
Thank you.

2171
03:06:31,460 --> 03:06:32,440
I will second it.

2172
03:06:32,440 --> 03:06:36,580
All right, if you're in favor of us, I have a question as well,

2173
03:06:36,760 --> 03:06:39,100
which is, so I have not turned in mind.

2174
03:06:39,320 --> 03:06:40,040
I've watched the videos.

2175
03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:46,160
I want to make sure that we have time to get our top five in, is that part of our conversation as well?

2176
03:06:46,840 --> 03:06:51,900
I don't see a member of HR present. Oh, there you are. Could you please come up with a podium?

2177
03:06:51,920 --> 03:07:00,640
Let's just try to come up with a new schedule that will give those that have not submitted their scorecard yet an opportunity to do so.

2178
03:07:00,980 --> 03:07:06,360
You've received four scorecards from myself over. We have these still to receive.

2179
03:07:06,360 --> 03:07:08,780
Good afternoon commissioners.

2180
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:10,240
What we can do.

2181
03:07:10,400 --> 03:07:14,800
I know we were looking at next Tuesday and Wednesday for interviews.

2182
03:07:15,620 --> 03:07:23,600
We get offended the scoring until maybe Friday and then do a rescore of new tally and

2183
03:07:23,600 --> 03:07:25,440
give you all the top five.

2184
03:07:25,820 --> 03:07:31,160
I think there are two candidates that are not local that we can go ahead and kind of put them

2185
03:07:31,160 --> 03:07:35,400
on notice that they may be scheduled for interviews for next week.

2186
03:07:36,200 --> 03:07:43,920
All right, so just to make sure that you feel that this is fair to our candidates, again,

2187
03:07:44,020 --> 03:07:47,560
they've been going through this for many, many months now.

2188
03:07:48,180 --> 03:07:48,840
I'm in agreement.

2189
03:07:49,000 --> 03:07:52,800
I did not believe that we should have re-interviewed all aid of them.

2190
03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:57,400
I think we need to get closer to identifying who our chief of staff is.

2191
03:07:57,500 --> 03:08:03,300
I do not know, out of eight candidates, how in the world we're going to come up with four votes for one of them.

2192
03:08:03,300 --> 03:08:19,600
And so do you believe that it is fair if you make that determination by Friday to ask these folks, especially those that are out of town, for rearranged their schedules, to get on a flight, and to come in interview.

2193
03:08:20,400 --> 03:08:25,800
HR has been keeping in contact with candidates to make sure they were still interested.

2194
03:08:26,260 --> 03:08:27,380
Okay, because it's definitely doable.

2195
03:08:28,220 --> 03:08:29,640
The request was for virtual.

2196
03:08:29,860 --> 03:08:30,780
Oh, virtual.

2197
03:08:31,020 --> 03:08:31,860
So you want virtual?

2198
03:08:31,860 --> 03:08:59,500
Okay. Great. Oh, if we're good. We're better if we're on the same page. Okay. So if we do virtual that would eliminate that concern. Okay. Well, that is fine. All right, but call that we did have a call the question from Commissioner Bolton. I believe we have to second two thirds vote. Is that right? Okay. Do we have a second for which was Commissioner Johnson all in favor? I. Yes. We have five to Friday. Close the business Friday. Okay. Open the machines for vote, please.

2199
03:09:00,480 --> 03:09:22,380
To the amended, let me read, we're on 0167 item to schedule January 21 through 23 as a special called meeting for the purposes of an executive session for Chief of Staff interviews, the amendment, a friendly amendment to that, is the top five candidates of the original eight candidates for virtual.

2200
03:09:23,080 --> 03:09:25,680
So that I believe is the motion. Correct?

2201
03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:31,980
Okay, that's the motion of your hit motion commission, David Johnson, you have a second.

2202
03:09:32,720 --> 03:09:33,860
Seconded by commission.

2203
03:09:34,140 --> 03:09:34,340
Seconded by commission.

2204
03:09:34,440 --> 03:09:35,940
Please open the machines for a vote.

2205
03:09:59,640 --> 03:10:04,200
All righty, that motion has been approved with the friendly amendment.

2206
03:10:04,400 --> 03:10:06,200
Madam presiding officer, if I may.

2207
03:10:07,480 --> 03:10:16,180
I request the motion for reconsideration of item 2025-1840, which is the elections office item.

2208
03:10:17,100 --> 03:10:26,180
was it on consent? What page sir? Oh here we are. Top of page eight. Okay, we have had a request from our interim county attorney to reconsider.

2209
03:10:27,000 --> 03:10:29,360
Second. All right, all in favor.

2210
03:10:30,040 --> 03:10:33,200
Do you want to hand vote on this or do you want us to do you want to

2211
03:10:34,040 --> 03:10:35,160
input the machines?

2212
03:10:41,150 --> 03:10:43,290
Okay. All right, the motion you reconsider.

2213
03:10:43,290 --> 03:10:58,770
Let me go ahead and sound that item out again. Again, top of page 8. Item 2025-1840. All commission districts establishing qualifying fees for a public office. Can you please state why you're requesting reconsideration.

2214
03:10:59,070 --> 03:11:11,050
There is a substitute that's been handed out. Madam presiding off. This substitute did not make it to the agenda and we just caught that this morning. We apologize for not catching it before now.

2215
03:11:11,050 --> 03:11:18,150
All right. And the substitute is what is the nature of the substitute?

2216
03:11:18,830 --> 03:11:23,050
The original was really a placeholder. If you look at the back of your piece of paper,

2217
03:11:23,150 --> 03:11:25,330
you'll see the actual fees are listed.

2218
03:11:25,390 --> 03:11:25,730
Got it.

2219
03:11:25,730 --> 03:11:28,530
If you look and I legislate those boxes are empty.

2220
03:11:29,010 --> 03:11:29,270
Understood.

2221
03:11:29,570 --> 03:11:31,140
Okay. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that.

2222
03:11:31,970 --> 03:11:32,190
All right.

2223
03:11:32,230 --> 03:11:34,430
Do we have a motion for the substitute?

2224
03:11:34,790 --> 03:11:36,730
Motion to approve the substitute.

2225
03:11:38,110 --> 03:11:38,510
All right.

2226
03:11:39,170 --> 03:11:42,150
Seconded by Commission Johnson, see a new request to speak.

2227
03:11:43,350 --> 03:11:45,970
All righty, that substitute has passed.

2228
03:11:46,450 --> 03:11:50,070
Okay, folks, we are now at 1213.

2229
03:11:51,010 --> 03:11:52,170
Do we have a motion?

2230
03:11:53,010 --> 03:11:53,890
Did you not vote?

2231
03:11:54,490 --> 03:11:56,250
Okay, she voted for it.

2232
03:11:56,530 --> 03:11:56,650
All right.

2233
03:11:57,310 --> 03:11:58,970
Do we have a motion to recess for lunch?

2234
03:11:59,050 --> 03:11:59,790
Motion to.

2235
03:12:01,630 --> 03:12:02,670
Well, let me go ahead.

2236
03:12:02,670 --> 03:12:04,070
Do we have a motion to recess for lunch?

2237
03:12:04,070 --> 03:12:05,850
Going to recess for lunch.

2238
03:12:07,820 --> 03:12:08,740
Do we have a second?

2239
03:12:14,100 --> 03:12:21,820
Yeah, I'd like to see if we can vote on the officers, the battalion, before we'd reset.

2240
03:12:22,420 --> 03:12:25,480
It's a, I mean, if ever, if it could take a while, it's up to you guys.

2241
03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:27,580
The motion on the floor right now is to recess.

2242
03:12:28,460 --> 03:12:30,320
Thank you. Okay, so we've had a motion to recess.

2243
03:12:30,360 --> 03:12:33,320
It's been seconded. All in favor of recessing.

2244
03:12:33,320 --> 03:12:35,120
Please up on the machines for this.

2245
03:12:35,260 --> 03:12:37,260
If it fails, we'll consider it so.

2246
03:12:40,380 --> 03:12:41,360
We'll keep moving. Yes.

2247
03:12:43,620 --> 03:12:44,160
All

2248
03:12:48,920 --> 03:12:51,360
right, the motion has passed to recess.

2249
03:12:51,960 --> 03:12:56,440
We will see everybody back here at 1-15 today.

2250
03:12:57,020 --> 03:12:57,980
Thank you all so much.

2251
03:12:58,240 --> 03:13:03,140
We do have our committee meeting starting at 2 p.m., considering the time.

2252
03:13:03,820 --> 03:13:08,340
It is unlikely that our pex meeting will start at 2 p.m., thank you all so much, enjoy your

2253
03:13:08,340 --> 03:13:08,500
lunch.

2254
04:18:24,940 --> 04:18:36,060
Welcome back, folks. Again, I'm Michelle Longspear, service presiding officer and district 2 commissioner. Hope y'all had a wonderful lunch. Do we have a motion to come back from recess?

2255
04:18:36,100 --> 04:18:37,520
Motion to come from recess.

2256
04:18:40,640 --> 04:18:42,160
Please open the machine for vote.

2257
04:18:47,560 --> 04:18:59,060
All right, we will resume our agenda. We're in the middle of page 8. Preliminary items item 2026-0137 all districts nomination of a presiding officer. Do we have a motion?

2258
04:18:59,600 --> 04:19:01,760
A move to nominate commissioners,

2259
04:19:01,900 --> 04:19:03,700
Chicago Johnson for presiding officers?

2260
04:19:03,940 --> 04:19:04,320
Second.

2261
04:19:05,460 --> 04:19:08,560
It was, the mover was commissioner Terry?

2262
04:19:09,160 --> 04:19:11,700
Yes, thank you for recognizing based on the button pushing.

2263
04:19:12,060 --> 04:19:14,940
So at this time, I nominate commissioner Chicago Johnson.

2264
04:19:15,420 --> 04:19:16,380
All right, do we have a second?

2265
04:19:16,480 --> 04:19:17,880
We need to thank you, commissioner Bolton.

2266
04:19:18,540 --> 04:19:23,280
OK, commissioner Terry has made the motion commissioner Bolton seconded.

2267
04:19:23,540 --> 04:19:24,840
And she has requested to speak.

2268
04:19:24,960 --> 04:19:25,700
You have the floor, ma'am.

2269
04:19:26,420 --> 04:19:27,260
Oh, OK, never mind.

2270
04:19:27,340 --> 04:19:28,200
She hasn't requested to speak.

2271
04:19:28,200 --> 04:19:31,880
Okay, no one else is requesting to speak open the machines for about

2272
04:19:35,820 --> 04:19:36,960
motion passes.

2273
04:19:37,140 --> 04:19:41,200
Congratulations, I look forward to passing the gavel to you.

2274
04:19:41,240 --> 04:19:44,720
Thank you, I appreciate the vote of confidence for my fellow commissioners.

2275
04:19:44,820 --> 04:19:45,760
Thank you very much.

2276
04:19:46,080 --> 04:19:46,220
Wonderful.

2277
04:19:46,920 --> 04:19:51,860
All righty, moving on to 2026-0136 all commission districts.

2278
04:19:52,380 --> 04:19:55,500
Nomination of a deputy presiding officer do we have a motion.

2279
04:19:55,980 --> 04:19:58,640
Yes, I'm sorry.

2280
04:19:58,640 --> 04:20:02,620
I'll nominate the Dina Bowen second.

2281
04:20:02,820 --> 04:20:03,400
Fantastic.

2282
04:20:03,960 --> 04:20:07,680
All right, have the nomination moved by Commissioner Johnson,

2283
04:20:08,060 --> 04:20:09,840
the Davis Johnson seconded by Commissioner Patrick,

2284
04:20:10,200 --> 04:20:12,980
so you know, requests to speak up in the machines for vote.

2285
04:20:19,270 --> 04:20:21,290
All right, unanimously, that motion passes.

2286
04:20:21,570 --> 04:20:23,010
Congratulations, Mr. Bowen.

2287
04:20:23,750 --> 04:20:24,350
Thank you very much.

2288
04:20:26,580 --> 04:20:31,860
All right, we are now, and just for the public and the audience,

2289
04:20:32,440 --> 04:20:34,660
I will continue to preside through the end of this meeting,

2290
04:20:34,660 --> 04:20:39,220
but come our cow meeting next week, we have our new leadership team.

2291
04:20:40,260 --> 04:20:56,000
Okay, 2026, 0104, Commission District 6 and 4 to allocate 200,000 from CIP funding to Georgia State University for the reimagining the Stone Mountain Trail as a cultural corridor, project for artistic crosswalks and path markings.

2292
04:20:56,000 --> 04:21:02,320
Motion 2 deferred this agenda item to the January 27th BLC with the staff impacts today.

2293
04:21:02,320 --> 04:21:02,840
Second.

2294
04:21:03,080 --> 04:21:03,800
Thank you.

2295
04:21:03,860 --> 04:21:04,480
All right, properly.

2296
04:21:05,240 --> 04:21:07,260
Motion 2nded by Commissioner Terry.

2297
04:21:07,360 --> 04:21:08,180
So no requests to speak.

2298
04:21:08,300 --> 04:21:09,040
Open the machines.

2299
04:21:12,400 --> 04:21:13,780
That deferral motion does pass.

2300
04:21:13,900 --> 04:21:15,120
Top of page 9.

2301
04:21:15,540 --> 04:21:17,680
Item 2026-0158.

2302
04:21:18,380 --> 04:21:20,040
Commission District 6 and 4.

2303
04:21:20,320 --> 04:21:22,680
To approve a resolution to establish a

2304
04:21:22,680 --> 04:21:28,320
for the people AI tech dividend fund and fiscal stability policy, do we have a motion?

2305
04:21:30,920 --> 04:21:39,900
Motion to defer to the 27th with a stop in FAB. Maybe today but probably not. And then

2306
04:21:39,900 --> 04:21:44,740
just to correct where I don't, it was meant to be county-wide and I don't think District 4

2307
04:21:44,740 --> 04:21:50,180
has actually signed on as a sponsor. Okay. So just if this clerk can just make the change.

2308
04:21:50,180 --> 04:21:51,180
All districts.

2309
04:21:52,060 --> 04:21:54,180
But certainly open to co-sponsorships.

2310
04:21:55,140 --> 04:21:55,400
All right.

2311
04:21:55,560 --> 04:21:55,740
Okay.

2312
04:21:55,980 --> 04:21:56,600
We've had a motion.

2313
04:21:56,900 --> 04:21:57,960
Seconded by Commissioner Johnson.

2314
04:21:58,260 --> 04:22:00,920
Seeing no request to speak up in the machines for that vote.

2315
04:22:03,120 --> 04:22:05,300
The motion has been deferred.

2316
04:22:06,220 --> 04:22:06,440
All right.

2317
04:22:06,580 --> 04:22:08,440
Now items from the CEO's office.

2318
04:22:08,700 --> 04:22:12,700
2026-020 commission districts one in seven.

2319
04:22:13,960 --> 04:22:17,300
Intergovernmental agreement with the city of Tucker for pedestrian trail easement

2320
04:22:17,300 --> 04:22:19,920
public parking improvements and maintenance responsibilities.

2321
04:22:19,920 --> 04:22:24,880
Motion to defer to the January 27th BOC with the stop-in pegs today.

2322
04:22:25,440 --> 04:22:25,980
Thank you very much.

2323
04:22:26,100 --> 04:22:26,780
Do we have a second?

2324
04:22:27,060 --> 04:22:28,280
Commission Terry seconded.

2325
04:22:28,600 --> 04:22:31,560
Seeing no request to speak open the machine for both please.

2326
04:22:36,640 --> 04:22:37,340
Motion passes.

2327
04:22:37,420 --> 04:22:41,400
Middle of page nine item twenty twenty six dash zero one two one.

2328
04:22:41,720 --> 04:22:44,560
Commission districts one four and seven considered a clearing thirteen

2329
04:22:44,560 --> 04:22:45,860
county on vacant properties.

2330
04:22:46,520 --> 04:22:50,720
Is surplus and transport county interest in the parcels of real property to the city

2331
04:22:50,720 --> 04:22:51,900
a Tucker do we have a motion.

2332
04:22:55,920 --> 04:23:02,680
Thank you very much. I'm now seeing the sub motion to zero one two one. Okay, it's

2333
04:23:02,680 --> 04:23:03,280
the sub.

2334
04:23:04,920 --> 04:23:09,280
What's your motion? Again motion to approve the substitute. Okay, thank you for that.

2335
04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:11,060
Second. Thank you for your second.

2336
04:23:11,420 --> 04:23:13,580
Commissioner Baltonsino requests to speak. Open the machines.

2337
04:23:17,870 --> 04:23:18,850
Motion passes.

2338
04:23:20,390 --> 04:23:22,930
Bottom of page nine zero one two five.

2339
04:23:22,930 --> 04:23:31,790
Information District, Facility, Condition Assessment, Consistive and Expedited Facility, Condition Assessment for the DeCab County Jail.

2340
04:23:31,870 --> 04:23:38,410
Contract will be developed and executed in a form acceptable. The county attorney has designated warded to comprehensive program services.

2341
04:23:38,890 --> 04:23:43,690
I'm out not to exceed 599,927 dollars and 20 cents.

2342
04:23:44,350 --> 04:23:44,930
Do we have a motion?

2343
04:23:47,220 --> 04:23:47,680
Fab item.

2344
04:23:48,880 --> 04:23:52,840
Yes, this item has not been heard yet, so we'll hear it up next to be able to opportunity

2345
04:23:52,840 --> 04:23:54,800
submission defer to the next B.O.C.M.

2346
04:23:56,880 --> 04:23:57,220
All right.

2347
04:23:57,340 --> 04:23:58,340
Thank you very much.

2348
04:23:58,680 --> 04:24:06,340
So a two-week deferral to the January 27th, when we have a chance, sir, to hear that in

2349
04:24:06,340 --> 04:24:09,620
fab, because the next fab meeting would be the afternoon of the 27th.

2350
04:24:10,000 --> 04:24:11,660
We might be looking at a special call.

2351
04:24:13,120 --> 04:24:13,360
All right.

2352
04:24:13,520 --> 04:24:14,580
We'll try to figure it out before.

2353
04:24:15,220 --> 04:24:15,460
Okay.

2354
04:24:16,240 --> 04:24:17,880
Motion for deferral two weeks.

2355
04:24:17,880 --> 04:24:22,280
It was seconded by Commissioner Johnson, seeing no requests to speak up in the machines.

2356
04:24:24,040 --> 04:24:24,960
And motion passes.

2357
04:24:27,260 --> 04:24:31,300
Top of page 10, 2026-0100, commission districts.

2358
04:24:31,860 --> 04:24:35,580
Approval of the OJJDP Family Treatment Court Competitive Grant

2359
04:24:35,580 --> 04:24:35,940
Program.

2360
04:24:36,020 --> 04:24:36,640
We have a motion.

2361
04:24:38,800 --> 04:24:41,280
Motion deferred to the 27th meeting of the stop-in-fam.

2362
04:24:42,260 --> 04:24:43,020
Thank you for that.

2363
04:24:43,120 --> 04:24:44,220
Please set the button.

2364
04:24:45,060 --> 04:24:47,640
Seconded by Commissioner Johnson, seeing no requests to speak up in the

2365
04:24:47,640 --> 04:24:48,860
machines for vote.

2366
04:24:51,490 --> 04:24:52,110
Motion passes.

2367
04:24:52,110 --> 04:24:57,420
All right, moving on to purchasing and contracting items,

2368
04:24:57,920 --> 04:25:00,940
herbs, 2025-168-1161, all commission districts,

2369
04:25:01,200 --> 04:25:05,780
change order 9 to contract 10105050, computer-aided dispatch

2370
04:25:05,780 --> 04:25:09,540
system for use by E91 and fire rescue, contract consists

2371
04:25:09,540 --> 04:25:12,400
of providing an enhanced CAD system for receiving and responding

2372
04:25:12,400 --> 04:25:15,260
to the county's emergent sea calls.

2373
04:25:16,160 --> 04:25:22,860
Request seeks to recent $26,392.60 for the STD enterprise CAD

2374
04:25:22,860 --> 04:25:24,560
for change order number eight.

2375
04:25:24,720 --> 04:25:28,680
Request also seeks approval to add 50 additional field ops fire

2376
04:25:28,680 --> 04:25:31,480
EMS annual subscription licenses and word

2377
04:25:31,480 --> 04:25:33,960
of dissentual square technologies amount not to exceed

2378
04:25:33,960 --> 04:25:35,340
6,000.

2379
04:25:35,700 --> 04:25:38,680
A move to approve item 168 one.

2380
04:25:39,640 --> 04:25:41,820
All right, whoever wants to hit the button.

2381
04:25:43,700 --> 04:25:46,560
Motion by Commissioner Bolton, second and by Commissioner Davis

2382
04:25:46,560 --> 04:25:48,700
Johnson, seeing no request to speak up on the machine.

2383
04:25:51,040 --> 04:25:51,860
Motion passes.

2384
04:25:54,400 --> 04:25:59,020
1751, all commission districts change order number 8 to contract 1, 3, 4, 9, 0, 2,

2385
04:25:59,020 --> 04:26:03,480
7, 0, 3, banking and financial services by the Department of Finance, contract consists

2386
04:26:03,480 --> 04:26:07,440
of providing all banking and financial services and earnings on cash account, requests

2387
04:26:07,440 --> 04:26:12,160
6 to ratify a previously provided contract term increase, request also 6 to increase funds

2388
04:26:12,160 --> 04:26:17,580
in contract term, 5 December 31, 2026 awarded to Wells Fargo Bank, amount not to exceed

2389
04:26:17,580 --> 04:26:18,760
880-4000.

2390
04:26:20,100 --> 04:26:20,260
Motion.

2391
04:26:20,260 --> 04:26:20,520
Thank you.

2392
04:26:21,860 --> 04:26:29,080
Top of page 11-175-4 all commission districts change order 5 to contract 1-2-3-6388 retail

2393
04:26:29,080 --> 04:26:33,940
image lock box services for use by the Department of Finance, consist of the provision

2394
04:26:33,940 --> 04:26:35,680
of lock box services.

2395
04:26:36,320 --> 04:26:40,600
Requests six to arrive at ratify a previously provided contract term increase, also

2396
04:26:40,600 --> 04:26:46,080
seeks to increase contract funds in terms through December 31, 2026 awarded to Deluxe

2397
04:26:46,080 --> 04:26:51,340
cooperation, DBA, RIMIT CO, LLC, not to exceed 96,200.

2398
04:26:52,480 --> 04:26:58,200
And move for action, motion to defer item 1751 and 1754 to the January 27th, meaning to

2399
04:26:58,200 --> 04:26:58,860
stop into that.

2400
04:27:00,300 --> 04:27:03,840
Thank you for your motion and your second commissioner, Johnson Cena, request to speak up

2401
04:27:03,840 --> 04:27:04,680
with the machines.

2402
04:27:06,850 --> 04:27:08,290
Those items have been deferred.

2403
04:27:08,670 --> 04:27:15,030
Now, middle of page 11, these are ops, purchasing, and contracting items, 2025-1765, all

2404
04:27:15,030 --> 04:27:15,790
commission districts.

2405
04:27:15,790 --> 04:27:21,030
Co-operative agreement, source will contract 1, 2, 1, 9, 2, 3, S, H, I, technology,

2406
04:27:21,150 --> 04:27:26,930
products and solutions, for the use by the Department of Innovation and Technology.

2407
04:27:27,570 --> 04:27:33,270
Request seeks to ratify a previously issued purchase order number for the competitively

2408
04:27:33,270 --> 04:27:38,350
let source will contract for one year purchase of dark trace active AI security platform.

2409
04:27:38,350 --> 04:27:46,790
awarded to SHI International Court, not to exceed $457,567 and $167 and $167.

2410
04:27:46,810 --> 04:27:47,490
No fraction.

2411
04:27:49,590 --> 04:27:54,670
2025, 1793, all Commission districts, cooperative agreement, information technology, category,

2412
04:27:54,910 --> 04:27:59,810
general services administration, multiple awards schedule, contract, long number, you may

2413
04:27:59,810 --> 04:28:07,450
screen, used by Department of Information and Technology, requested to ratify a previously issued

2414
04:28:07,450 --> 04:28:12,590
purchase order to purchase from the Competitable GSA contract for a one-year subscription

2415
04:28:12,590 --> 04:28:18,550
support and pre-maramatence of the Commonwealth Enterprise Backup and Recovery System, awarded

2416
04:28:18,550 --> 04:28:26,570
to CAREsoft Technology Corporation, CARE of Compute to Center, U.S., not to exceed $325,043.52.

2417
04:28:28,790 --> 04:28:34,830
on the motion to prove $2,500, $1,17, $65,

2418
04:28:35,850 --> 04:28:40,970
$2,027,023, and is recommended in the Upson community.

2419
04:28:41,290 --> 04:28:42,510
Please have the button for me.

2420
04:28:45,420 --> 04:28:46,340
Second, second, and bu provision.

2421
04:28:46,600 --> 04:28:47,940
Bout sincere.oni

2422
04:28:47,940 --> 04:28:48,860
good? Alright.

2423
04:28:51,240 --> 04:28:51,780
Top of

2424
04:28:51,780 --> 04:28:54,100
page 12, item 1433. There's

2425
04:28:54,100 --> 04:28:56,580
a P Wi , a Contr coment, items.

2426
04:28:57,780 --> 04:29:05,200
change orders to several change orders that you may read and renewal to another long contract

2427
04:29:05,200 --> 04:29:10,580
on-call water and sewer for use by watershed management consists of providing on-call services

2428
04:29:10,580 --> 04:29:16,420
for the installation and repair, a various sizes of water and sewer pipes, a request seeks to

2429
04:29:16,420 --> 04:29:21,280
ratify a previously provided contract term increase, request also seeks to exercise the second

2430
04:29:21,280 --> 04:29:27,300
We're no option through December 31, 2026 awarded to G.S. Construction Inc. Ruby Collins,

2431
04:29:27,480 --> 04:29:35,620
Inc. SDNC, Inc. and the Renee Group total amount to it seed 68 million, 421,096, and 85.

2432
04:29:37,020 --> 04:29:37,960
Thank you, Madam President.

2433
04:29:38,300 --> 04:29:42,660
I'm sort of this item is still under audit with Mr. Lavois Campbell's group.

2434
04:29:43,180 --> 04:29:47,840
So, motion to defer to the January 27th, B.O.C. with a prior stop at PWI.

2435
04:29:49,580 --> 04:29:50,060
Fantastic.

2436
04:29:50,060 --> 04:29:53,460
already seen no request to speak up in the machines for both.

2437
04:29:59,160 --> 04:29:59,980
All right, that motion pass.

2438
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:07,980
A lot of my page 12, 1551, change order to contract 1, 3, 8, 1, 109, design billed services for snap

2439
04:30:07,980 --> 04:30:13,240
finger advanced wastewater treatment facility expansion, phase 3B project for use by watershed

2440
04:30:13,240 --> 04:30:20,080
management. Consistive providing the design and furnishing permitting construction, starting

2441
04:30:20,080 --> 04:30:25,580
up and successfully commissioning the ultraviolet disinfection process at the snap finger advanced

2442
04:30:25,580 --> 04:30:27,340
waste water treatment facility.

2443
04:30:27,940 --> 04:30:31,240
Requests seeks to ratify a previously provided contract term increase.

2444
04:30:31,860 --> 04:30:35,540
Also seeks to increase contract scope, a work funding and contract term.

2445
04:30:35,800 --> 04:30:39,220
Your December 31, 2028 awarded to Morgan Contracts,

2446
04:30:39,220 --> 04:30:44,960
not to exceed $1,413,322 in 17 cents.

2447
04:30:44,960 --> 04:30:55,880
move for action. 1712. Top of page 13. Restoration services for use by Watershed Management

2448
04:30:55,880 --> 04:31:00,320
consists of furnishing labor materials, tools equipment, and incidentals required for

2449
04:31:00,320 --> 04:31:04,700
furnishing and installing concrete, granite sawed restoration and landscape services.

2450
04:31:05,400 --> 04:31:08,780
Associated with construction maintenance projects throughout the cab county.

2451
04:31:09,500 --> 04:31:13,520
Recommend award to the lowest responsive and responsible bidders, AutoCode Development

2452
04:31:13,520 --> 04:31:19,520
at Jewel of the South, and J.M.B. Landscaping not to exceed $4,100,000.

2453
04:31:20,040 --> 04:31:20,880
The move fraction.

2454
04:31:24,160 --> 04:31:30,640
1749, portable toilet rental for use by public work sanitation and RPCA, consists of providing

2455
04:31:30,640 --> 04:31:35,500
portable toilet rental services for various county host events and work sites.

2456
04:31:35,940 --> 04:31:38,780
Six to ratify a previously provided contract term increase.

2457
04:31:39,380 --> 04:31:40,320
Six to exercise first.

2458
04:31:40,320 --> 04:31:46,740
or no option for December 31, 2026, awarded to United Rental's North America, DBA, reliable

2459
04:31:46,740 --> 04:31:50,000
on-site service not to exceed 161,161,000.

2460
04:31:50,240 --> 04:31:51,060
Move for action.

2461
04:31:52,140 --> 04:31:55,360
Top of page 14, item 1790.

2462
04:31:56,760 --> 04:32:00,480
Clark's looks like there is some cleaning up on this item.

2463
04:32:00,660 --> 04:32:03,700
It reads enter all commission districts impacted by this item.

2464
04:32:03,960 --> 04:32:05,620
So I would please make that change.

2465
04:32:07,080 --> 04:32:10,300
Many contracts you can read traffic signal equipment for use by public

2466
04:32:10,300 --> 04:32:15,840
work's roads and drainage consisted of purchase of traffic signal equipment awarded to utility

2467
04:32:15,840 --> 04:32:21,160
comm supply associates LLC, requesting to exercise the first renewal option through March

2468
04:32:21,160 --> 04:32:27,200
31, 2027, back up awarded to utility comm supply associates, control technologies, and

2469
04:32:27,200 --> 04:32:30,220
wage tronics not to exceed 975,000.

2470
04:32:30,520 --> 04:32:31,180
Good for action.

2471
04:32:32,500 --> 04:32:38,420
1835, many contract numbers that you are welcome to read on call engineering services for

2472
04:32:38,420 --> 04:32:43,420
by Watershed Management, consistent providing on call engineering services that primarily include

2473
04:32:43,420 --> 04:32:47,920
engineering studies, design, land surveying, construction administration and related services

2474
04:32:47,920 --> 04:32:52,520
for water and wastewater projects, under the Capital Improvement Program and Consent Decree.

2475
04:32:53,080 --> 04:32:56,900
Seeks to ratify a previously provided contract term, seeks to increase contract term,

2476
04:32:56,960 --> 04:33:06,100
507 or 31, 2026 awarded to Brown and Cogwell, CDM Smith, Tech, Tech, Tech, WSP, USA, Arcades,

2477
04:33:06,100 --> 04:33:11,140
and freeze and nickels, Graham, joint, venture, contract, term, increase on me.

2478
04:33:11,600 --> 04:33:15,560
The fraction, matter of presenting officer, I make a motion to approve the following agenda items,

2479
04:33:16,160 --> 04:33:26,560
agenda item 2025-1551-1712-1749-1790-1835 as approved by the PWI committee.

2480
04:33:27,800 --> 04:33:28,020
Thank you.

2481
04:33:28,320 --> 04:33:29,280
Here you go.

2482
04:33:29,680 --> 04:33:31,440
All right, so you know, request to speak up in the machines.

2483
04:33:31,440 --> 04:33:32,320
That

2484
04:33:36,290 --> 04:33:37,130
motion passes.

2485
04:33:37,950 --> 04:33:46,430
We're now at the top of page 15 with RPCA, which are PX, item 1702, to amend 2024-25 agreement

2486
04:33:46,430 --> 04:33:53,570
with the Cab County School Nutrition Services, for revised amount of $53,197 in 20 cents.

2487
04:33:53,850 --> 04:34:01,090
Furnished after school snacks for the Department of RPCA, with the attached adjusted agreement

2488
04:34:01,090 --> 04:34:05,130
between the DECAP County School Nutrition Services and the DECAP County Department of RPCA.

2489
04:34:05,790 --> 04:34:06,510
Do we have a motion?

2490
04:34:07,070 --> 04:34:07,690
I am a correction.

2491
04:34:09,190 --> 04:34:15,370
1767 all districts acceptance of GARPA boost funding of 75,000 to support after school

2492
04:34:15,370 --> 04:34:18,250
and summer programs and the Department of RPCA.

2493
04:34:19,350 --> 04:34:20,050
Move for action.

2494
04:34:20,490 --> 04:34:23,590
Madam Peo, I have a motion to approve.

2495
04:34:23,690 --> 04:34:25,510
I'm sorry to defer.

2496
04:34:26,210 --> 04:34:32,530
Item number 1702 and 1767 to the January 27th,

2497
04:34:32,530 --> 04:34:35,130
we'll see what the stop and pegs today so can be heard.

2498
04:34:35,970 --> 04:34:37,190
Thank you very much for your motion.

2499
04:34:37,350 --> 04:34:38,350
Do we have a second?

2500
04:34:40,300 --> 04:34:41,140
Thank you, Commissioner Terry.

2501
04:34:41,320 --> 04:34:43,640
So you know, request to speak up on the machines for vote.

2502
04:34:45,720 --> 04:34:46,460
Motion passes.

2503
04:34:46,660 --> 04:34:49,300
We're now moving on to Superior Court Fab item.

2504
04:34:50,120 --> 04:34:52,280
All Commission District's Criminal Justice

2505
04:34:52,280 --> 04:34:56,180
Coordinating Council grant to the DeCab County Adult Valinity Drug Court

2506
04:34:56,180 --> 04:35:00,980
to implement all transportation funding, 33,432 dollars to have a motion.

2507
04:35:02,960 --> 04:35:04,700
Fab item, Fab Chair.

2508
04:35:10,760 --> 04:35:11,380
Move for action.

2509
04:35:13,890 --> 04:35:18,930
Item 1839, all commission districts, judicial council of Georgia ad hoc committee on

2510
04:35:18,930 --> 04:35:24,390
American Rescue Plan Act, additional funding, 40,448 dollars to have a motion.

2511
04:35:25,290 --> 04:35:31,070
And move for action, move to, to provide an 1838, 1839 to the January 27th, B.O.C.B.

2512
04:35:31,070 --> 04:35:33,330
Thank you.

2513
04:35:33,330 --> 04:35:33,610
Thank you.

2514
04:35:33,670 --> 04:35:34,170
Thank you for your motion.

2515
04:35:34,710 --> 04:35:35,490
You'll hit it again for me.

2516
04:35:35,650 --> 04:35:37,270
Properly seconded by Commission of Johnson.

2517
04:35:37,530 --> 04:35:39,050
Seeing no request to speak open the machines.

2518
04:35:41,930 --> 04:35:42,530
And that passes.

2519
04:35:42,870 --> 04:35:43,090
All right.

2520
04:35:43,270 --> 04:35:45,790
We are now at the point of our agenda for walk-ons.

2521
04:35:45,950 --> 04:35:47,850
I will start on my right.

2522
04:35:48,030 --> 04:35:49,010
Which is Commissioner Patrick.

2523
04:35:49,330 --> 04:35:50,890
Any walk-ons?

2524
04:35:51,270 --> 04:35:51,790
Davis Johnson.

2525
04:35:52,430 --> 04:35:52,650
Messiah.

2526
04:35:53,810 --> 04:35:53,870
Yeah.

2527
04:35:54,710 --> 04:35:55,150
Commissioner Terry.

2528
04:35:55,930 --> 04:35:56,050
Okay.

2529
04:35:56,410 --> 04:35:57,150
I have a walk-on.

2530
04:35:57,330 --> 04:35:57,550
Understood.

2531
04:35:57,790 --> 04:35:58,270
We have a floor.

2532
04:35:58,510 --> 04:35:59,730
Motion to add 9 to the agenda.

2533
04:36:00,770 --> 04:36:01,450
Do we have a second?

2534
04:36:02,070 --> 04:36:02,510
Second.

2535
04:36:04,350 --> 04:36:06,250
You don't want us to hand vote or you've got it on the machines.

2536
04:36:13,820 --> 04:36:14,620
Go ahead and hit.

2537
04:36:15,040 --> 04:36:16,400
Thank you.

2538
04:36:16,620 --> 04:36:17,800
The second, please.

2539
04:36:19,120 --> 04:36:19,880
It's a versus motion.

2540
04:36:20,520 --> 04:36:20,880
You guys.

2541
04:36:21,260 --> 04:36:21,960
You'll have an under control.

2542
04:36:22,340 --> 04:36:24,060
All right.

2543
04:36:24,340 --> 04:36:25,680
Just adding an item.

2544
04:36:27,580 --> 04:36:27,760
All right.

2545
04:36:27,920 --> 04:36:28,160
Go ahead.

2546
04:36:28,500 --> 04:36:28,780
Commissioner Terry.

2547
04:36:29,580 --> 04:36:30,120
Thank you.

2548
04:36:30,220 --> 04:36:30,720
Madam chair.

2549
04:36:31,000 --> 04:36:35,600
I passed out a walk-on resolution and titled a resolution

2550
04:36:35,600 --> 04:36:36,440
so that the cap can't work.

2551
04:36:36,640 --> 04:36:37,620
Ms. Norma, of course.

2552
04:36:42,410 --> 04:36:42,630
All right.

2553
04:36:42,910 --> 04:36:44,790
That item has been normal, of course.

2554
04:36:45,550 --> 04:36:53,910
We are now moving on to the top of page 16, item 1233, a resolution asking for the

2555
04:36:53,910 --> 04:36:58,630
DeCab County Police Department to develop a diversion policy regarding unhoused individual

2556
04:36:58,630 --> 04:37:02,330
set considers other options to arrest and jailing them.

2557
04:37:02,330 --> 04:37:03,410
Do we have a motion?

2558
04:37:06,920 --> 04:37:08,860
I'm better presenting officer believe Steph.

2559
04:37:10,020 --> 04:37:16,880
There was some discussion at committee and I think this is, so this is EURP's item, Madam EURP's chair.

2560
04:37:18,870 --> 04:37:23,090
Yes, ma'am for item 1233, move to approve the substitute.

2561
04:37:24,050 --> 04:37:25,030
Thank you very much.

2562
04:37:25,270 --> 04:37:25,710
Can you hit the bus?

2563
04:37:25,710 --> 04:37:26,030
Second.

2564
04:37:27,550 --> 04:37:28,550
Have we seen the substitute?

2565
04:37:29,330 --> 04:37:30,170
Yeah, ma'am.

2566
04:37:31,750 --> 04:37:36,250
Let me say the substitute was presented in the EURP's committee excuse me,

2567
04:37:36,330 --> 04:37:37,770
but it's that you can iterate.

2568
04:37:38,370 --> 04:37:42,390
And we're in the process of printing it out, it's the policy statement.

2569
04:37:42,630 --> 04:37:47,850
So if we can say table, decide them and we can bring it back so that you can physically

2570
04:37:47,850 --> 04:37:49,210
look at it before you go.

2571
04:37:49,450 --> 04:37:51,910
Commissioner Bont, would you like to amend your motion to tell you?

2572
04:37:52,130 --> 04:37:56,810
I want to amend my motion to table item 1233 until we can get the print out.

2573
04:37:57,030 --> 04:37:57,410
Yes, remember?

2574
04:37:57,610 --> 04:37:59,510
Do we have a second to table?

2575
04:38:01,650 --> 04:38:03,950
I'll make the second and that for like this.

2576
04:38:04,290 --> 04:38:04,690
All right.

2577
04:38:04,730 --> 04:38:06,490
If you hit the request to speak back, there you go.

2578
04:38:06,650 --> 04:38:07,250
You have the floor.

2579
04:38:10,900 --> 04:38:17,120
Yeah, could you tell us what we're waiting for?

2580
04:38:17,200 --> 04:38:25,080
I don't have a cheap paper to give a quick overview of how we have modified the current

2581
04:38:25,080 --> 04:38:30,080
item into a policy statement dealing with how our police officers will address the needs

2582
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:30,920
of the unhoused.

2583
04:38:31,320 --> 04:38:32,060
Thank you.

2584
04:38:34,200 --> 04:38:35,360
Good afternoon commissioners.

2585
04:38:35,460 --> 04:38:35,920
Good afternoon.

2586
04:38:36,500 --> 04:38:40,380
So yes, what we did was similar to the other item.

2587
04:38:40,380 --> 04:38:48,400
We took what the resolution language stated regarding the unhoused and turned it into a joint policy statement.

2588
04:38:48,480 --> 04:38:51,040
I don't have a copy of it in front of me. We are getting it printed.

2589
04:38:51,720 --> 04:39:00,880
But it deals with all of the considerations that were introduced in the resolution and converted it into a joint policy statement.

2590
04:39:01,220 --> 04:39:04,600
Okay, and we should have that loving end of the meeting.

2591
04:39:04,940 --> 04:39:05,240
Yes, ma'am.

2592
04:39:05,820 --> 04:39:06,540
Okay. Thank you.

2593
04:39:06,540 --> 04:39:12,560
Thank you so much, seeing no request to speak up in the machines for a vote to table

2594
04:39:12,560 --> 04:39:13,380
the item.

2595
04:39:19,370 --> 04:39:25,050
That motion to table does pass. So, we can now,

2596
04:39:27,070 --> 04:39:30,650
the next page 17, and go to

2597
04:39:30,650 --> 04:39:38,930
the middle of page 18, 2025-068, the Rear Commission District, to approve a resolution to address

2598
04:39:38,930 --> 04:39:42,950
agreed just littering and be a legal dumping of scrap tires do we have a motion

2599
04:39:44,360 --> 04:39:46,400
that is an irpsitum

2600
04:39:48,380 --> 04:39:53,060
a move to defer items zero six eight three to the January twenty seven

2601
04:39:53,060 --> 04:39:55,940
bill see with a prior stop in irps committee

2602
04:39:56,520 --> 04:39:58,140
thank you for your motion okay

2603
04:39:58,720 --> 04:39:59,940
the button commissioner

2604
04:40:01,020 --> 04:40:02,440
thank you commissioner Patrick

2605
04:40:02,440 --> 04:40:05,480
all right seen no request to speak open the machines for both

2606
04:40:08,740 --> 04:40:10,540
that motion passes we are now

2607
04:40:10,540 --> 04:40:12,900
officer that was the twenty seven correct

2608
04:40:12,900 --> 04:40:14,920
Yeah, I believe that's what was stated.

2609
04:40:15,680 --> 04:40:16,120
Yeah. Yeah.

2610
04:40:16,300 --> 04:40:16,920
January 27.

2611
04:40:18,660 --> 04:40:18,940
Okay.

2612
04:40:19,520 --> 04:40:22,900
We are now in the middle of page 19.

2613
04:40:23,660 --> 04:40:26,060
This is actually a district 2 item.

2614
04:40:26,200 --> 04:40:28,640
So I'm going to pass the gavel to the deputy presiding officer.

2615
04:40:29,160 --> 04:40:30,020
Thank you so much.

2616
04:40:30,180 --> 04:40:35,120
Madame Pio, that's 205-0751 all commission districts.

2617
04:40:35,300 --> 04:40:40,660
So resolution of the to cap county board of commissioners to create the to cap arts and

2618
04:40:40,660 --> 04:40:43,180
Postural and Culture Council.

2619
04:40:43,700 --> 04:40:46,620
Motion to defer this item for 30 days.

2620
04:40:47,880 --> 04:40:52,220
Which would be the February 10th business meeting.

2621
04:40:52,940 --> 04:40:55,140
We have a proper first, is there a second,

2622
04:40:55,200 --> 04:40:57,600
seconded by a commissioner to Terry?

2623
04:40:58,060 --> 04:40:59,120
Is there any request to speak?

2624
04:40:59,700 --> 04:41:00,640
Commissioner Terry?

2625
04:41:01,920 --> 04:41:02,620
Thank you, Madam Chair.

2626
04:41:03,260 --> 04:41:07,500
Zach, can you just update the commissioners on

2627
04:41:07,500 --> 04:41:18,540
I believe we got an email about the administration having a decad, I think it's called Council

2628
04:41:18,540 --> 04:41:19,460
for the Arts.

2629
04:41:19,820 --> 04:41:22,700
There's a lot of work in a lot of different words out there in names and labels.

2630
04:41:23,680 --> 04:41:26,280
In February, is that right?

2631
04:41:26,640 --> 04:41:32,720
So, yes, what I could say is if you'll recall about, I'm seeing 90 days ago approximately,

2632
04:41:32,720 --> 04:41:36,460
like the CEO through executive order, reconstitute it,

2633
04:41:36,480 --> 04:41:40,180
what was the, I'm just gonna use the generic word,

2634
04:41:40,280 --> 04:41:43,560
the Arts Council, and presented a strategy

2635
04:41:43,560 --> 04:41:49,220
for moving forward with this staffing, budgeting,

2636
04:41:49,480 --> 04:41:51,060
and so forth for this function.

2637
04:41:52,080 --> 04:41:55,980
In the 2026 budget, the CEO has requested approximately

2638
04:41:55,980 --> 04:41:58,820
$500,000 for this function.

2639
04:41:59,720 --> 04:42:01,840
So the intent of the administration

2640
04:42:01,840 --> 04:42:12,000
is to reconstitute and move forward with a use of word arts council, but with this arts function with staffing and so forth.

2641
04:42:12,800 --> 04:42:20,160
So, are we expected to make commission appointments to this?

2642
04:42:20,160 --> 04:42:21,360
I believe you have accounts for the arts.

2643
04:42:21,360 --> 04:42:22,040
Yes, I believe so.

2644
04:42:22,040 --> 04:42:24,880
And have has the administration formally requested that we do so?

2645
04:42:25,540 --> 04:42:27,060
I don't, but let me check.

2646
04:42:27,120 --> 04:42:27,480
Okay.

2647
04:42:27,740 --> 04:42:28,200
Let me check.

2648
04:42:28,620 --> 04:42:35,980
Okay, let us know, because if that launch is coming up and February, presumably we'd want to have

2649
04:42:36,480 --> 04:42:37,000
PowerPoints on.

2650
04:42:37,140 --> 04:42:37,620
Let me check.

2651
04:42:37,820 --> 04:42:41,420
And I believe the executive order did call for that, but I'm speaking from the top of my head.

2652
04:42:41,600 --> 04:42:44,780
Well, if not, we will get you the necessary information.

2653
04:42:44,860 --> 04:42:45,060
Okay.

2654
04:42:45,180 --> 04:42:48,220
And if you could just get with a lot of apartment or the clerks.

2655
04:42:48,340 --> 04:42:49,920
I mean, are we going to just make it an agenda item?

2656
04:42:49,920 --> 04:42:52,260
Do we have to just walk it on ourselves?

2657
04:42:52,820 --> 04:42:53,900
You know, just give us the process.

2658
04:42:53,920 --> 04:42:54,120
Right.

2659
04:42:54,120 --> 04:43:04,060
Thank you for that and I believe, yes, there is an agenda item that would be forthcoming that established as an MOU as to how that would be managed.

2660
04:43:04,300 --> 04:43:07,300
But we'll make sure that we have all of that laid out.

2661
04:43:11,990 --> 04:43:14,630
It's a matter of fact I anticipate this next cycle.

2662
04:43:15,290 --> 04:43:16,090
Thank you so much.

2663
04:43:16,790 --> 04:43:18,090
Our Commissioner Davis Johnson.

2664
04:43:20,170 --> 04:43:26,910
I was going to make a motion to deny it based upon what we heard.

2665
04:43:26,910 --> 04:43:39,590
And then we'd be from the CEO, CEO, creating the Arts Council.

2666
04:43:41,010 --> 04:43:48,170
But you're saying that she would bring an item before the board, which would bring

2667
04:43:48,170 --> 04:43:48,770
an item.

2668
04:43:48,830 --> 04:43:49,070
Right.

2669
04:43:49,130 --> 04:43:53,770
The item would be the MOU for the management of that function.

2670
04:43:53,770 --> 04:44:01,490
And ultimately you haven't item in the form of the budget, which would fund that office to the tune of about $500,000.

2671
04:44:02,450 --> 04:44:12,850
Okay. Then I would say that this would be a duplicate of what we already have from the CEO's office. Is that correct?

2672
04:44:13,010 --> 04:44:18,050
I think that's a fair statement that this is seeking to do that which the CEO is doing.

2673
04:44:18,050 --> 04:44:26,370
Okay, well, with that, I'll make a substitute motion to deny it, because it is a duplicate

2674
04:44:26,370 --> 04:44:35,490
and because the CEO has already announced it, and so I would really like to move forward

2675
04:44:35,490 --> 04:44:53,550
with the CEOs announcement, because who's better to administer that than the CEO's office

2676
04:44:53,550 --> 04:44:59,430
because of course we don't do day-to-day operations and she has already made that announcement.

2677
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,420
That my substitute is to deny this motion. Second.

2678
04:45:09,560 --> 04:45:16,160
So just for clarification, madam presiding officer had passed the gavl to the deputy presiding officer.

2679
04:45:16,480 --> 04:45:19,580
Who has now passed the gavl to the deputy deputy deputy presiding officer?

2680
04:45:19,620 --> 04:45:22,440
Future presiding officer, are we all following a lot?

2681
04:45:23,700 --> 04:45:27,740
So we now have amended motion to deny.

2682
04:45:28,060 --> 04:45:30,160
We have a second from Commissioner Patrick.

2683
04:45:30,160 --> 04:45:37,020
We will still continue through our discussion as shown on the board. Are you done with your time?

2684
04:45:37,700 --> 04:45:38,540
Thank you.

2685
04:45:38,540 --> 04:45:39,900
Commissioner Longspirce.

2686
04:45:40,200 --> 04:45:41,140
All right. Thank you.

2687
04:45:41,320 --> 04:45:45,000
So it was my, I put under. So I really had the pass it over twice.

2688
04:45:45,680 --> 04:45:48,540
So then would be mine. That's why I passed it over.

2689
04:45:49,160 --> 04:45:53,400
So her such a pass it to you. So I can speak and then she'll pass it back over.

2690
04:45:53,560 --> 04:45:54,960
Because then I would have already made my comments.

2691
04:45:58,300 --> 04:46:00,160
I am technically next up on this.

2692
04:46:00,160 --> 04:46:02,200
However, Commissioner Messiah, that's fine.

2693
04:46:02,500 --> 04:46:02,740
Go ahead.

2694
04:46:02,900 --> 04:46:03,780
No Commissioner Messiah.

2695
04:46:03,960 --> 04:46:04,380
Thank you.

2696
04:46:04,740 --> 04:46:05,860
Yeah, because I had taken it up.

2697
04:46:05,860 --> 04:46:08,040
We're draws so there wouldn't, and we can keep a continuity.

2698
04:46:08,560 --> 04:46:09,600
So thank you for that.

2699
04:46:10,360 --> 04:46:14,760
Just, you know, as it relates to this particular item, it's my understanding.

2700
04:46:15,020 --> 04:46:22,260
And we've had discussions as a board with relationship to what the intent is,

2701
04:46:22,260 --> 04:46:27,480
because we also have decided the cab and, you know, who's our economic arm.

2702
04:46:27,480 --> 04:46:33,340
And it was my understanding and was communicated, you know, or confirmed,

2703
04:46:33,520 --> 04:46:40,360
excuse me, through the communication that essentially what the CEO had set forth,

2704
04:46:40,700 --> 04:46:46,400
as it relates to her arm of the Dicab arts.

2705
04:46:46,740 --> 04:46:50,040
And I'm not sure they exact for her, I don't want to mess up the verbiage,

2706
04:46:50,120 --> 04:46:56,320
but essentially the arts arm for Dicab County that it was based on performances.

2707
04:46:56,320 --> 04:47:01,440
And so she had outlined a number of different events.

2708
04:47:01,600 --> 04:47:04,560
I don't believe there was a timeline, but that it was going to be

2709
04:47:04,560 --> 04:47:08,200
performance based and deal with, you know, performances or

2710
04:47:08,200 --> 04:47:09,280
orchestra and the like.

2711
04:47:10,440 --> 04:47:15,320
Then, when it comes to decide to cap, and they would address

2712
04:47:16,260 --> 04:47:20,880
and be responsible for, as they are now the economic, you know,

2713
04:47:20,880 --> 04:47:24,560
development piece of to cap county, but that portion of the arts

2714
04:47:24,560 --> 04:47:28,120
and arts being an economic driver.

2715
04:47:28,760 --> 04:47:31,180
And then as far as the commissioners were concerned,

2716
04:47:31,720 --> 04:47:32,940
they were responsible.

2717
04:47:33,120 --> 04:47:36,600
We would be responsible for the implementation

2718
04:47:36,600 --> 04:47:41,460
and some of the approving, excuse me,

2719
04:47:41,660 --> 04:47:43,760
particular art pieces in and around

2720
04:47:43,760 --> 04:47:46,440
or our district, by way of example.

2721
04:47:47,100 --> 04:47:51,500
So is that something that's still expected in terms

2722
04:47:51,500 --> 04:47:57,060
what you know everyone's essential role is or is there something that's different that's

2723
04:47:57,060 --> 04:48:02,060
anticipated just like you know just what we're going to do and what we were response

2724
04:48:02,060 --> 04:48:06,940
before and how we'll contribute to the cab arts as a whole.

2725
04:48:10,180 --> 04:48:12,800
Commissioner Messiah, was that directed to me?

2726
04:48:12,940 --> 04:48:21,200
But I guess yes, I guess oh yes if you could at this point because you know I could say

2727
04:48:21,200 --> 04:48:27,500
But I guess I could say, and so in the executive order, and this goes to Commissioner Terry's

2728
04:48:27,500 --> 04:48:27,740
question.

2729
04:48:28,020 --> 04:48:33,940
One of the things is a request of each of the commissioners to appoint someone, right?

2730
04:48:34,400 --> 04:48:39,600
And so much like other citizen advisory committees, when you do that, that is essentially

2731
04:48:39,600 --> 04:48:42,140
your liaison or your voice, right?

2732
04:48:42,220 --> 04:48:48,520
And so what is anticipated is that this council will meet, and it will ensure that each of

2733
04:48:48,520 --> 04:48:54,280
and you're interested or represented and you're able to communicate directly through your

2734
04:48:54,280 --> 04:48:57,980
appointee and, of course, if you wanted to go to meetings, I'm sure that that would

2735
04:48:57,980 --> 04:48:59,440
be appropriate, too.

2736
04:49:00,280 --> 04:49:04,440
So, hopefully that captured the essence of how you would be integrated with it.

2737
04:49:05,600 --> 04:49:12,580
Kind of sort of a not really, so what I'm just clear, what's being suggested now is that

2738
04:49:12,580 --> 04:49:20,500
through an appointee, then they would essentially speak on behalf of the district for representation

2739
04:49:21,360 --> 04:49:28,640
related to any implementation or approving of any art in around our district where.

2740
04:49:28,900 --> 04:49:29,000
Yeah.

2741
04:49:29,160 --> 04:49:29,260
Yeah.

2742
04:49:29,580 --> 04:49:29,980
So, yeah.

2743
04:49:30,400 --> 04:49:35,680
I kept speaking to that level in terms of what I would articulate is that they would be much like on

2744
04:49:35,680 --> 04:49:40,700
your other citizen advisory boards, that person who you feel can best rep your

2745
04:49:41,600 --> 04:49:50,680
And you're district interests, but ultimately, obviously, the commissioners are that body that has the final representation through a vote.

2746
04:49:51,240 --> 04:49:59,340
Okay. So essentially, for instance, there are walls that need to, that we have contemplated, put in some art pieces on.

2747
04:49:59,980 --> 04:50:04,620
That something there still would be an involvement or expected involvement with the commissioners. It wouldn't be.

2748
04:50:04,640 --> 04:50:05,700
I would think.

2749
04:50:05,700 --> 04:50:11,720
All right, just trying to make sure and know what to expect and moving forward with that yield back.

2750
04:50:11,820 --> 04:50:13,020
Thank you.

2751
04:50:14,870 --> 04:50:16,950
Thank you very much.

2752
04:50:17,890 --> 04:50:23,390
So Mr. Williams, I'm sure I'm fine with drawing this item actually.

2753
04:50:24,370 --> 04:50:31,350
The reason I haven't withdrawn it yet, I don't have any evidence of an executive order on the arts council,

2754
04:50:31,450 --> 04:50:34,330
which I believe the CEO is calling arts to cab.

2755
04:50:34,330 --> 04:50:39,370
I do see the executive order, though, on November 3rd for the Sports Commission.

2756
04:50:40,350 --> 04:50:45,010
I don't, I don't have, um, I will make sure you get that, uh, this, the Sports Commission.

2757
04:50:45,150 --> 04:50:48,470
I want to say it was about 30 days after the art, if I'm not mistaken.

2758
04:50:48,950 --> 04:50:53,810
I remember when we did the thing in, when we had the meeting in Brookhaven, I think that was-

2759
04:50:53,810 --> 04:50:58,910
Oh, it was a night cow meeting in Brookhaven, but I have no evidence in receiving an executive order.

2760
04:50:59,270 --> 04:50:59,770
So, okay.

2761
04:51:00,410 --> 04:51:07,110
There's a few things I'd like to say if you can please go back and let us know the date that that executive order was released

2762
04:51:07,110 --> 04:51:14,130
That would be helpful because honestly, that's what I've been waiting on is the executive order because I assumed in the executive order

2763
04:51:14,130 --> 04:51:22,770
It would outline that we each get an appointment and quite frankly. That's what I am certainly advocating for that. We have no point

2764
04:51:23,810 --> 04:51:24,210
Okay

2765
04:51:25,930 --> 04:51:27,250
I'll just state in my place.

2766
04:51:27,430 --> 04:51:30,050
I've read the order, the signed order by the CEO,

2767
04:51:30,050 --> 04:51:34,570
it says that each commissioner will make one appointment each.

2768
04:51:34,570 --> 04:51:35,270
To the arts.

2769
04:51:35,270 --> 04:51:36,190
To the cap arts.

2770
04:51:36,590 --> 04:51:39,190
Okay, if you can just get me the day,

2771
04:51:39,590 --> 04:51:42,230
because again, I have done a thorough search of my email.

2772
04:51:42,230 --> 04:51:44,190
We have been watching for it.

2773
04:51:44,470 --> 04:51:47,910
So for some reason, it was not received by my office

2774
04:51:48,930 --> 04:51:51,130
or we overlooked it.

2775
04:51:51,430 --> 04:51:53,050
All right, so I will come back in just a second

2776
04:51:53,050 --> 04:51:55,970
after other people are speaking and ask for the date,

2777
04:51:56,150 --> 04:51:57,290
so I can hunt that down.

2778
04:51:57,670 --> 04:52:01,210
So for now, just to wrap up commissioners,

2779
04:52:01,710 --> 04:52:04,410
I am perfectly happy to withdraw this item

2780
04:52:04,410 --> 04:52:07,050
if that executive order indeed has been distributed

2781
04:52:07,530 --> 04:52:08,610
through all the commissioners.

2782
04:52:08,610 --> 04:52:11,550
It does stay in there that each of us have an appointment

2783
04:52:12,210 --> 04:52:15,210
on the arts to cab arts council.

2784
04:52:15,310 --> 04:52:17,350
I'm not exactly certain what she's calling it.

2785
04:52:17,530 --> 04:52:19,710
That's really, truly what I think is important.

2786
04:52:19,710 --> 04:52:26,750
I'd also like to state that this has been something that we've been talking about for quite

2787
04:52:26,750 --> 04:52:27,430
some time.

2788
04:52:27,510 --> 04:52:34,830
There was a comprehensive presentation that was made at the New Brookhaven City Center during

2789
04:52:34,830 --> 04:52:41,890
our evening committee of the whole from Madame CEO and also James, and I don't want to

2790
04:52:41,890 --> 04:52:44,010
butcher his last name, Tasmanekas.

2791
04:52:44,010 --> 04:52:44,550
Just for that.

2792
04:52:44,770 --> 04:52:46,290
Tismanakis, okay, got it.

2793
04:52:47,410 --> 04:52:49,650
Who runs are discovered to cab?

2794
04:52:50,390 --> 04:52:53,170
And again, I was pleased by the presentation

2795
04:52:53,170 --> 04:52:55,710
that she delivered to everyone.

2796
04:52:56,350 --> 04:52:58,550
Again, I am just not aware of receiving

2797
04:52:58,550 --> 04:52:59,610
that executive order.

2798
04:52:59,770 --> 04:53:02,970
So my team could also very quickly go and look,

2799
04:53:02,970 --> 04:53:05,730
I'm looking, see if y'all can track it down.

2800
04:53:06,070 --> 04:53:07,390
And with that, I will yield.

2801
04:53:07,770 --> 04:53:09,950
And follow up with a second time speaking.

2802
04:53:10,410 --> 04:53:11,190
Thank you.

2803
04:53:11,650 --> 04:53:12,150
Commissioner Terry?

2804
04:53:14,330 --> 04:53:20,050
I wasn't really just going to address the issue of a denial instead of a withdrawal.

2805
04:53:21,530 --> 04:53:31,370
This is the second time that a colleague has motion to deny a fellow colleagues item and to be

2806
04:53:31,370 --> 04:53:33,150
very candid with everyone here in the audience.

2807
04:53:33,150 --> 04:53:34,030
That's just disrespectful.

2808
04:53:36,770 --> 04:53:43,110
The reason why these meetings are so freaking long is because no one talks to each other.

2809
04:53:43,530 --> 04:53:48,810
We literally are playing this out, I know it's hilarious, looking at you.

2810
04:53:49,670 --> 04:53:55,850
Everyone plays out democracy right in front of you, and they're working it out in real

2811
04:53:55,850 --> 04:53:56,490
time.

2812
04:53:56,790 --> 04:54:01,150
Can't bother to pick up the phone or try to grab five minutes at lunch to talk about something

2813
04:54:01,630 --> 04:54:05,430
and even when you get them for five minutes, you hand them a piece of paper, this says,

2814
04:54:05,690 --> 04:54:09,770
hey, you know what you said was wrong, do you like to correct the record, oh I'll think

2815
04:54:09,770 --> 04:54:10,290
about it.

2816
04:54:10,410 --> 04:54:11,450
I don't know about that.

2817
04:54:12,050 --> 04:54:14,170
Does fact exist anymore?

2818
04:54:15,990 --> 04:54:17,230
Does truth exist anymore?

2819
04:54:17,430 --> 04:54:20,710
Can you literally give someone evidence

2820
04:54:20,710 --> 04:54:22,230
that what they said was wrong?

2821
04:54:22,390 --> 04:54:24,890
And they just deny it?

2822
04:54:25,210 --> 04:54:27,010
That sounds like someone,

2823
04:54:27,070 --> 04:54:29,210
we have to deal with on a regular basis

2824
04:54:29,210 --> 04:54:30,650
in the White House.

2825
04:54:31,330 --> 04:54:32,410
So, we're specfiling.

2826
04:54:33,070 --> 04:54:35,490
Why are we denying each other's items?

2827
04:54:36,490 --> 04:54:39,110
Work it out if there's some other course of action

2828
04:54:39,110 --> 04:54:41,770
with the draw it substitute it, change it.

2829
04:54:43,540 --> 04:54:46,140
So that's my request, friendly amendment, please.

2830
04:54:47,220 --> 04:54:48,660
If we're moving forward with the Arts Council,

2831
04:54:49,420 --> 04:54:51,420
and I'm exactly like Commissioner Long Spears,

2832
04:54:51,880 --> 04:54:54,320
no one ever, I check my inbox, no executive order.

2833
04:54:55,120 --> 04:54:57,040
I really would expect the law department

2834
04:54:58,420 --> 04:55:01,000
if there's an executive order, send it

2835
04:55:01,000 --> 04:55:02,100
to the governing authority.

2836
04:55:02,860 --> 04:55:04,620
Why don't we have to search for an executive?

2837
04:55:04,740 --> 04:55:06,080
That's kind of a big deal, y'all.

2838
04:55:06,680 --> 04:55:07,880
That's kind of a big thing.

2839
04:55:07,880 --> 04:55:15,480
There should just be like us an obvious step. If the CEO signs an executive order, we don't learn about it in the news

2840
04:55:15,480 --> 04:55:21,540
We don't just get an email about it. We're told about it after the fact. You just say this executive order was signed

2841
04:55:22,500 --> 04:55:27,560
Copping the commissioners. Why is that so hard? I'm sorry commissioner Terry. I think you had a

2842
04:55:27,560 --> 04:55:32,100
an amendment. Can you restate what your amendment is just so we can be clear what the

2843
04:55:32,100 --> 04:55:36,660
the friendly amendment was to just withdraw the item

2844
04:55:39,540 --> 04:55:41,660
commissioner Dave Shanson do you

2845
04:55:41,660 --> 04:55:46,680
want to respond to that or you know you don't have to do you want to okay yeah I was

2846
04:55:46,680 --> 04:55:58,240
down anyway but you know I wanted to say that you know we have to be able to we

2847
04:55:58,240 --> 04:56:00,660
respectfully disagree.

2848
04:56:01,960 --> 04:56:03,820
I mean we're not going to agree

2849
04:56:03,820 --> 04:56:04,840
of one everything.

2850
04:56:05,280 --> 04:56:08,200
But I think me and Commissioner Longa Spears,

2851
04:56:08,360 --> 04:56:09,380
I think we find.

2852
04:56:10,360 --> 04:56:11,720
I didn't get upset.

2853
04:56:12,320 --> 04:56:13,600
Well, I won't say that.

2854
04:56:14,160 --> 04:56:17,440
I had to get mad when I was no McColus

2855
04:56:17,440 --> 04:56:20,900
because I know that's the part of our procedure.

2856
04:56:22,360 --> 04:56:25,660
Yeah, but me and Commissioner Longa Spears,

2857
04:56:25,940 --> 04:56:26,920
when we went outside,

2858
04:56:28,220 --> 04:56:37,200
I mean, after that, I mean, we don't take anything personal as a reason that we do what we do,

2859
04:56:37,600 --> 04:56:50,000
not to antagonize or disrespect one another, because we have to do what we feel is right for the moment.

2860
04:56:50,000 --> 04:56:58,020
And it may be disagreeing with you sometimes, but in any event, I never use my 10 minutes.

2861
04:56:58,340 --> 04:57:00,360
I am respectful of my time.

2862
04:57:01,440 --> 04:57:08,620
So, I would, I don't have any problems with amending my subs,

2863
04:57:09,020 --> 04:57:09,860
wasn't a substitute.

2864
04:57:10,060 --> 04:57:10,900
Yeah, it wasn't substitute.

2865
04:57:11,940 --> 04:57:16,740
I don't have any problems to amend that for a motion to withdraw.

2866
04:57:17,620 --> 04:57:22,920
If that's okay with commissioners, long spirits, I'm sorry.

2867
04:57:23,520 --> 04:57:24,900
And so there's a asking me a question.

2868
04:57:25,080 --> 04:57:26,220
I can respond on your time.

2869
04:57:26,940 --> 04:57:27,880
If that's okay with you.

2870
04:57:27,880 --> 04:57:31,160
So again, thank you Madam Deputy Presiding Officer.

2871
04:57:31,920 --> 04:57:35,820
We don't have evidence of an executive order in my email.

2872
04:57:36,260 --> 04:57:38,620
I don't know that we have actually received.

2873
04:57:39,160 --> 04:57:40,420
Maybe you drafted it.

2874
04:57:40,420 --> 04:57:46,260
Maybe the intent was to send it out to us, but I would respectfully, if it did not go out,

2875
04:57:46,260 --> 04:57:49,520
I don't believe it did unless someone else has it.

2876
04:57:49,600 --> 04:57:52,720
You guys look in your own emails or have your chiefs of staff

2877
04:57:52,720 --> 04:57:53,960
as that we just deferred.

2878
04:57:53,960 --> 04:57:55,700
I just want to review the executive order

2879
04:57:55,700 --> 04:57:57,100
and see what it says.

2880
04:57:57,840 --> 04:57:59,900
That I have not received.

2881
04:58:00,320 --> 04:58:00,620
Go ahead.

2882
04:58:01,120 --> 04:58:02,440
Oh, actually, I'm sorry, a turtleneck.

2883
04:58:02,680 --> 04:58:03,660
So yes, I see me next.

2884
04:58:04,120 --> 04:58:04,260
Yes.

2885
04:58:04,820 --> 04:58:06,480
Yes, she was an excellent question.

2886
04:58:07,360 --> 04:58:11,720
If that's the case, I'm going to go back to my motion to deny.

2887
04:58:11,720 --> 04:58:24,900
I take County Attorney, and I'll just say this, we have two attorneys here, and we have

2888
04:58:24,900 --> 04:58:31,040
I County Attorney here, and I will suppose that the County Attorney would not get in front

2889
04:58:31,040 --> 04:58:37,460
of us and lie and say that he has reviewed the executive order that, did you say that?

2890
04:58:37,460 --> 04:58:38,260
out of order.

2891
04:58:41,010 --> 04:58:46,750
The question posed by this body was whether or not the commissioners have an appointment

2892
04:58:46,750 --> 04:58:49,790
in the CEO's executive order.

2893
04:58:50,170 --> 04:58:55,290
And my statement was the executive order, expressly says, each commissioner gets one appointment.

2894
04:58:56,150 --> 04:59:01,110
The bulk of your discussion since then has been about whether or not you received a copy

2895
04:59:01,110 --> 04:59:06,790
from the administration that I've not spoken to, commissioner Terry says, maybe the law

2896
04:59:06,790 --> 04:59:13,110
department should send it. The law department doesn't publish the CEO's executive orders.

2897
04:59:14,350 --> 04:59:17,170
Thank you so much. I think Jim County Phillips.

2898
04:59:20,490 --> 04:59:35,590
Then my motion stands for denial because if we haven't received it, I will assume that

2899
04:59:35,590 --> 04:59:48,330
that it will be sent and the intention has already been spoken at the meeting in Brookhaven.

2900
04:59:49,870 --> 04:59:58,730
So I say it's a duplicate and if it has not been sent please send it if it's been sent please recent.

2901
04:59:58,730 --> 04:59:59,970
right, right, right, and...

2902
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:04,540
And you'll get copies of it short. It's a matter of fact we're going to print it and hand it out.

2903
05:00:04,840 --> 05:00:10,780
Okay, thank you. Thank you so much commissioner, David Johnson and Commissioner Longspheres.

2904
05:00:12,100 --> 05:00:17,740
All right. Mr. Williams, please come back to the podium. What date was it sent to us?

2905
05:00:18,080 --> 05:00:21,420
As I stand here, I'm not able to say what date or if it was sent to me.

2906
05:00:21,420 --> 05:00:27,400
I don't believe it was Mr. Williams. I've had my team, you know me. I'm not going to make a mountain out of a mobile.

2907
05:00:27,400 --> 05:00:30,480
But we have not received it.

2908
05:00:30,760 --> 05:00:33,640
I have not received it to people in my team have reviewed.

2909
05:00:33,720 --> 05:00:37,500
If any other commissioner likes to take the time to look and see if perhaps only

2910
05:00:37,500 --> 05:00:39,380
a few commissioners received it.

2911
05:00:39,480 --> 05:00:41,080
And I'm seeing it's probably unintended.

2912
05:00:41,340 --> 05:00:44,400
It certainly was just overlooked that we received that executive order.

2913
05:00:44,960 --> 05:00:49,560
If you have it completed and you're willing to distribute it to us,

2914
05:00:50,020 --> 05:00:56,880
my I suggest that we simply table this item until we each have a chance to review it.

2915
05:00:56,880 --> 05:00:59,840
And if it looks good, and everybody feels comfortable with it,

2916
05:01:00,060 --> 05:01:02,880
I'm more than happy to withdraw it.

2917
05:01:03,240 --> 05:01:07,100
So we'll be able to get it printed out and distribute it to us today.

2918
05:01:07,780 --> 05:01:10,160
So I'd like to make a substitute motion.

2919
05:01:10,480 --> 05:01:12,700
And since I don't have a gavel, I haven't been following along.

2920
05:01:13,020 --> 05:01:13,940
Let's get to make the substitute.

2921
05:01:14,340 --> 05:01:15,560
We're already on a substitute.

2922
05:01:16,160 --> 05:01:17,560
We're already on a substitute.

2923
05:01:21,500 --> 05:01:23,180
So who's the president?

2924
05:01:23,720 --> 05:01:24,200
She is.

2925
05:01:24,200 --> 05:01:31,220
myself. So we already have, so presently, we have a substitute offered by Commissioner

2926
05:01:31,220 --> 05:01:36,920
Davis Johnson. It was a request for a friendly amendment by Commissioner Terry, Commissioner

2927
05:01:36,920 --> 05:01:43,380
Davis Johnson then went back to her regional motion to deny and that's where we are presently.

2928
05:01:44,340 --> 05:01:49,460
Well, I think Commissioner Long's serious made a friendly amendment. I'm not, did you make a

2929
05:01:49,460 --> 05:01:49,800
friendly amendment?

2930
05:01:49,800 --> 05:01:51,960
So I'll suggest a friendly, just a table.

2931
05:01:52,240 --> 05:01:55,460
I just want to simply read the executive order that we did not receive.

2932
05:01:56,140 --> 05:01:57,220
I'm going to thank you.

2933
05:01:57,460 --> 05:01:57,500
All right.

2934
05:01:57,620 --> 05:01:58,480
And then we can circle both.

2935
05:01:58,540 --> 05:01:58,780
All right.

2936
05:01:58,780 --> 05:02:00,440
So what's your present motion?

2937
05:02:00,620 --> 05:02:05,640
Two, table this until the end of the meeting.

2938
05:02:05,860 --> 05:02:08,840
And does your second still stands Commissioner Patrick?

2939
05:02:10,080 --> 05:02:11,200
Thank you so much.

2940
05:02:12,240 --> 05:02:16,600
And Commissioner Longspirers, did you have any request to do any additional speaking or is that

2941
05:02:16,600 --> 05:02:17,460
just you haven't taken?

2942
05:02:17,460 --> 05:02:17,740
No.

2943
05:02:17,740 --> 05:02:18,460
I haven't yielded that.

2944
05:02:18,460 --> 05:02:31,020
But I will say thank you to Commissioner Davis Johnson for offering to table that item to speak to something that was brought up by Commissioner Terry about it being disrespectful.

2945
05:02:31,780 --> 05:02:33,380
I do believe it's actually disrespectful.

2946
05:02:33,800 --> 05:02:40,160
I think it would be very simple just to say, hey, you know, Commissioner Spears, this has been going on for a really long time.

2947
05:02:40,460 --> 05:02:42,460
Would you be willing to just pull it?

2948
05:02:42,460 --> 05:02:43,140
And I get it.

2949
05:02:43,160 --> 05:02:46,400
I've been presiding officer all year, we've had 52 page agendas.

2950
05:02:47,000 --> 05:02:47,900
They have been long.

2951
05:02:48,200 --> 05:02:53,700
I understand y'all's desire to get through these agendas quickly, but I also agree that if

2952
05:02:53,700 --> 05:02:59,640
it is something that you wish to see moved off the agenda, is it it is a respectful thing

2953
05:02:59,640 --> 05:03:06,100
to just simply say, I'm tired of talking about it, however you'd like to state it, and

2954
05:03:06,100 --> 05:03:12,240
give the person who sponsored the item, the opportunity, to withdraw it if that is what

2955
05:03:12,240 --> 05:03:19,580
she or they sees fit, but I am glad that we're tabling it. Again, I am happy to support a withdrawal

2956
05:03:19,580 --> 05:03:24,880
as long as we get a chance to just read and confirm what has been told to us by the administration.

2957
05:03:25,980 --> 05:03:29,240
With that, Madam Deputy Presiding Officer, are you all back? Thank you.

2958
05:03:29,340 --> 05:03:33,160
Thank you so much, Madam Peo. Commissioner Davis Johnson.

2959
05:03:36,340 --> 05:03:47,300
You know, I would just say, it doesn't mean to be, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but sometimes you have to position where you feel you need to position.

2960
05:03:48,020 --> 05:03:58,220
Just like I didn't get upset when I was not told that you were going to normal call us, my motion, that you knew you was going to normal call us.

2961
05:03:58,220 --> 05:04:05,220
And I don't feel it with this respect, but I felt that you felt that's what you needed to do at the moment.

2962
05:04:06,120 --> 05:04:10,440
So, you know, I let things roll off of me and don't take it personal.

2963
05:04:11,120 --> 05:04:17,720
So please, whatever I do to anyone and say to anyone, I'm not being disrespectful.

2964
05:04:18,300 --> 05:04:19,660
Because I'll do it to me.

2965
05:04:23,880 --> 05:04:26,560
Thank you so much Commissioner Davis Johnson.

2966
05:04:26,560 --> 05:04:29,400
Are there any other requests to speak?

2967
05:04:30,040 --> 05:04:30,600
Missionary?

2968
05:04:31,000 --> 05:04:31,820
Yeah, very briefly.

2969
05:04:31,980 --> 05:04:36,040
Just on the concept of taking things personally or doing things

2970
05:04:36,040 --> 05:04:42,080
on professional manner, it actually is hard not to take it

2971
05:04:42,080 --> 05:04:47,600
personal because it's not like we introduce items for us.

2972
05:04:48,500 --> 05:04:50,880
OK, just to be very clear, there's no item on this agenda

2973
05:04:50,880 --> 05:04:55,140
that me, Mr. Long Spears, any of us are doing because it's just

2974
05:04:55,140 --> 05:05:00,640
something we want to do, we introduce items because our constituents are suffering.

2975
05:05:01,940 --> 05:05:09,020
We introduce items, resolutions, policies, funding items, because we represent the people

2976
05:05:09,020 --> 05:05:11,300
who elected us.

2977
05:05:11,760 --> 05:05:20,340
So no, I'm reject the notion that I'm just being polite, don't take it personally, when

2978
05:05:20,340 --> 05:05:26,200
reject, deny, normal core something that the people are asking for us to act on.

2979
05:05:26,820 --> 05:05:28,420
No, I reject that.

2980
05:05:28,980 --> 05:05:31,940
You can be nice and have decorum.

2981
05:05:32,860 --> 05:05:38,580
But when you literally stand in the way of progress and do it with a smile,

2982
05:05:43,580 --> 05:05:46,920
I find that to be politics as usual.

2983
05:05:47,800 --> 05:05:52,640
Let's focus this year on being public servants, not politicians.

2984
05:05:59,340 --> 05:06:00,820
Thank you so much.

2985
05:06:01,140 --> 05:06:03,000
I appreciate it.

2986
05:06:03,080 --> 05:06:04,460
With no other request to speak.

2987
05:06:04,720 --> 05:06:06,820
Can we open up the machine for a vote, please?

2988
05:06:10,460 --> 05:06:11,440
Thank you so much.

2989
05:06:13,100 --> 05:06:15,420
That's the student motion has passed.

2990
05:06:15,520 --> 05:06:16,800
You've been to go back to.

2991
05:06:17,240 --> 05:06:17,600
All

2992
05:06:20,350 --> 05:06:24,070
righty for everyone following along.

2993
05:06:24,750 --> 05:06:27,190
We are now in the middle of page 20.

2994
05:06:27,410 --> 05:06:28,750
This is a district six item.

2995
05:06:28,750 --> 05:06:34,450
0, 3, 9, 0, resolution to establish a community advisory board for the DeCab County Police Department.

2996
05:06:34,890 --> 05:06:35,850
Do we have a motion?

2997
05:06:38,780 --> 05:06:39,780
Yes, with a comment.

2998
05:06:40,060 --> 05:06:46,860
The motion out of the EARP's committee was to withdraw item 2, 0, 2, 5, 0, 3, 9, 0.

2999
05:06:48,180 --> 05:06:50,000
And I'll make my comment after the second.

3000
05:06:51,040 --> 05:06:52,020
Thank you very much.

3001
05:06:52,120 --> 05:06:52,960
For your motion properly.

3002
05:06:52,960 --> 05:06:54,640
Seconded by Commissioner Johnson.

3003
05:06:55,360 --> 05:06:56,680
Commissioner Bolton's requested to speak.

3004
05:06:56,680 --> 05:07:06,060
This withdrawal was based on what was the previous item, us receiving the substitute for

3005
05:07:08,900 --> 05:07:11,700
117.

3006
05:07:16,640 --> 05:07:19,960
Yeah, I don't see where we all. Page 20.

3007
05:07:20,560 --> 05:07:22,320
And 117, I think they were combined.

3008
05:07:23,240 --> 05:07:28,500
Okay, so it was contingent on having the substitute for 117.

3009
05:07:30,400 --> 05:07:36,340
And until we receive that substitute, I don't want to make the request for the withdrawal.

3010
05:07:38,800 --> 05:07:41,060
Yes, another table.

3011
05:07:42,960 --> 05:07:43,160
Okay.

3012
05:07:43,340 --> 05:07:44,920
Well, I move to table this item.

3013
05:07:47,540 --> 05:07:52,200
So, Commissioner Bolton has an amended motion to table this item to the end of the meeting I presume.

3014
05:07:53,100 --> 05:07:55,580
Second, Commissioner Johnson, second does stand.

3015
05:07:56,200 --> 05:08:01,760
are you have you yielded back? Yes. Thank you very much. See you know the request to speak open the machines.

3016
05:08:09,660 --> 05:08:16,000
All right zero three nine zero along was zero seven five one have both been table to the end of the meeting.

3017
05:08:16,080 --> 05:08:25,520
You may now skip through page twenty one on to top of page twenty two item twenty twenty five dash one one zero seven

3018
05:08:25,520 --> 05:08:30,040
commission districts. Resolution requesting the administration implemented a cab county

3019
05:08:30,040 --> 05:08:34,740
police department, community liaison program require hate crimes identification training for

3020
05:08:34,740 --> 05:08:41,160
law enforcement and for other purposes do we have a motion? The clock is running folks so you

3021
05:08:41,160 --> 05:08:48,120
can terminate that. Thank you. Do we have a motion for item 1107? Yes and we're receiving

3022
05:08:48,120 --> 05:08:54,820
that substitute now on behalf of the Arts Committee, I move to approve this substitute.

3023
05:08:56,420 --> 05:08:57,120
All righty.

3024
05:09:00,840 --> 05:09:02,240
So, it's making a bolt and has approved.

3025
05:09:02,260 --> 05:09:03,640
Can you hit your button for me, ma'am?

3026
05:09:03,760 --> 05:09:05,600
Commissioner Davis Johnson, hit second.

3027
05:09:06,000 --> 05:09:06,200
Thank you.

3028
05:09:06,380 --> 05:09:07,720
Proper motion, proper second.

3029
05:09:08,120 --> 05:09:09,580
Commissioner Terry has requested, does this speak?

3030
05:09:10,860 --> 05:09:11,520
You have a floor, sir.

3031
05:09:11,700 --> 05:09:12,260
Thank you, Manager.

3032
05:09:12,420 --> 05:09:19,340
I believe there was the other stipulation that the police department would come back within six months.

3033
05:09:19,340 --> 05:09:25,000
to, in essence, sort of report on the larger strategy that's contained within the policy document.

3034
05:09:25,920 --> 05:09:29,220
It's just wanted to capture that on the record that we can come back in.

3035
05:09:29,260 --> 05:09:35,000
Madam presiding officers, Commissioner, I think we said by, I think come back to the first meeting of Earps in July.

3036
05:09:36,640 --> 05:09:36,720
Okay.

3037
05:09:37,020 --> 05:09:38,600
I think that's listed in the agenda.

3038
05:09:38,900 --> 05:09:39,780
Oh, is it okay?

3039
05:09:41,660 --> 05:09:44,660
Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. Yes, the recommendation, first meeting in July.

3040
05:09:44,660 --> 05:09:48,120
Thank you. Sorry for missing that at the bottom here.

3041
05:09:50,260 --> 05:09:55,000
Okay, and then, you know, just because I know some folks spoke on this today and some of

3042
05:09:55,000 --> 05:10:00,360
you all may not have been at the IRPS meeting to hear the full developer liberation, but

3043
05:10:00,360 --> 05:10:05,580
I'll just say that, you know, this was a consensus approach, you know, I introduced the

3044
05:10:05,580 --> 05:10:10,960
item for the community advisory board and the police liaison for LGBTQ plus, we went through

3045
05:10:10,960 --> 05:10:15,360
a couple of iterations, you know, the goal always was for progress.

3046
05:10:15,920 --> 05:10:23,560
So, you know, it's not exactly what I wanted, but Chief Pageric, I believe him and trust

3047
05:10:23,560 --> 05:10:29,680
him and have faith that, you know, the Cap County Police Department genuinely cares about

3048
05:10:29,680 --> 05:10:34,100
serving a diverse and dynamic community to find every way we can to ensure trust accountability

3049
05:10:34,100 --> 05:10:39,720
and effectiveness in policing and that this is, you know, thank you, sir, for working with

3050
05:10:39,720 --> 05:10:45,300
us on this and look forward to, you know, hearing the larger strategic plan, but obviously

3051
05:10:45,300 --> 05:10:49,140
Thank you for being willing to help us continue this progress.

3052
05:10:49,880 --> 05:10:51,140
Thank you.

3053
05:10:51,140 --> 05:10:54,840
Thank you very much, Commissioner Terry, Commissioner Massiah, and then we'll move to Commissioner

3054
05:10:54,840 --> 05:10:55,260
Bolden.

3055
05:10:55,640 --> 05:10:57,020
Thank you so much, Madame Peo.

3056
05:10:57,800 --> 05:11:07,580
As this is requiring additional trading, or at least a modification of trading for our officers,

3057
05:11:07,900 --> 05:11:13,540
I just want to make sure that we're considering the allocation of any potential allocation

3058
05:11:13,540 --> 05:11:20,440
of resources. I don't know enough to be quite earnest in terms of exactly how it's anticipated

3059
05:11:20,440 --> 05:11:27,760
that the training will take place, but to the extent that we need a facilitator and, you

3060
05:11:27,760 --> 05:11:34,940
know, there's an additional process and need to fund. I don't want to require additional

3061
05:11:34,940 --> 05:11:44,660
training, especially for our officers and, excuse me, continue on, Commissioner Messiah.

3062
05:11:44,780 --> 05:11:51,200
Thank you so much. I just want to allow for any flexibility to the extent that there's

3063
05:11:51,200 --> 05:11:56,760
anything additional that is needed to be done as it relates to training. Thank you so much.

3064
05:11:57,940 --> 05:12:06,300
Thank you, Commissioner Bolton, you have the floor. Thank you. I was expecting to be the last speaker

3065
05:12:06,300 --> 05:12:15,200
But I do just want to iterate since we have received reviewed and potentially soon to approve 1107.

3066
05:12:15,620 --> 05:12:23,300
I would like to, if we could, go back to the previous item and untabled that because it was contingent upon this item that we're going to vote on.

3067
05:12:26,360 --> 05:12:27,800
Thank you.

3068
05:12:27,820 --> 05:12:30,960
Thank you.

3069
05:12:31,360 --> 05:12:32,520
You'll back?

3070
05:12:33,380 --> 05:12:34,200
Thank you.

3071
05:12:34,240 --> 05:12:38,900
I'm going to pass the Gable to Commissioner Messiah quickly.

3072
05:12:39,780 --> 05:12:40,980
Commissioner Terry.

3073
05:12:42,800 --> 05:12:45,880
One, thank you very much for bringing forth this item.

3074
05:12:46,780 --> 05:12:48,720
I am very much in support of it.

3075
05:12:48,860 --> 05:12:55,240
And I look forward to circling back to the item, the coupled item with this one.

3076
05:12:55,620 --> 05:12:58,140
I'm just trying to understand from what I'm looking at.

3077
05:12:58,280 --> 05:12:59,540
It's a policy statement.

3078
05:12:59,540 --> 05:13:01,540
you've listed three guiding pillars.

3079
05:13:02,420 --> 05:13:06,120
I'm in support of everything that's in this document.

3080
05:13:06,960 --> 05:13:09,520
The only thing I would request, unless I'm missing it,

3081
05:13:09,600 --> 05:13:13,280
is just a friendly amendment that kind of maps out next steps.

3082
05:13:14,100 --> 05:13:15,640
And so you just stated that there would be,

3083
05:13:15,660 --> 05:13:18,540
we'd come back to it in five months or six months.

3084
05:13:19,160 --> 05:13:21,680
Is there anything that would prohibit us from,

3085
05:13:21,680 --> 05:13:25,080
from at least noting that in here is that this is not,

3086
05:13:25,080 --> 05:13:27,500
this policy statement, is it done

3087
05:13:27,500 --> 05:13:33,220
that we're actually actively pursuing this because we as commissioners feel that, you know,

3088
05:13:33,220 --> 05:13:38,200
we ground ourselves and being good and fair to all of our constituents.

3089
05:13:39,040 --> 05:13:44,100
Yes, so Madam Presiding Officer, I think the language that we use is we provide an update or

3090
05:13:44,100 --> 05:13:50,680
something like that. In at the first meeting of herbs in July, so the intent is that, you know,

3091
05:13:50,820 --> 05:13:55,460
where there's trainings identified and other things that we'll be able to present that formally

3092
05:13:58,080 --> 05:14:03,280
I've been around here long enough to know that you need to get it in writing, so that actually happens.

3093
05:14:03,540 --> 05:14:05,940
So we are in the agenda.

3094
05:14:05,980 --> 05:14:06,920
Is it in here?

3095
05:14:08,580 --> 05:14:08,960
Underrect.

3096
05:14:09,520 --> 05:14:10,760
Oh, thank you.

3097
05:14:11,420 --> 05:14:14,400
I was just like, it's got to be written some word in this thing.

3098
05:14:14,980 --> 05:14:15,120
Okay.

3099
05:14:15,340 --> 05:14:19,080
So we're doing the provided status update on policy.

3100
05:14:19,220 --> 05:14:21,560
Or it's committee at their first meeting in July 26.

3101
05:14:22,340 --> 05:14:22,500
Okay.

3102
05:14:22,700 --> 05:14:22,960
All right.

3103
05:14:22,960 --> 05:14:25,820
Well, I'm in full support. Thank you so much, again, for.

3104
05:14:26,300 --> 05:14:30,760
And I think this is a good process that we've come up with a joint policy statement.

3105
05:14:30,980 --> 05:14:31,240
Okay.

3106
05:14:32,480 --> 05:14:37,280
And when you say joint, you do mean between the administration and the...

3107
05:14:37,280 --> 05:14:37,560
Okay.

3108
05:14:37,980 --> 05:14:41,620
Is it just a governing authority, then policy and a statement at that point?

3109
05:14:44,400 --> 05:14:45,940
That might be another friendly amendment.

3110
05:14:46,540 --> 05:14:46,560
Okay.

3111
05:14:46,560 --> 05:14:47,640
Thank you so much.

3112
05:14:47,640 --> 05:14:53,580
And I will grab the gabel back and I believe I am the last one to speak.

3113
05:14:53,720 --> 05:14:56,180
Is there any other request to speak on this item?

3114
05:14:57,600 --> 05:14:58,140
Commissioners?

3115
05:14:58,700 --> 05:14:58,940
Okay.

3116
05:14:59,700 --> 05:14:59,980
Seeing.

3117
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:04,400
None. The motion is to approve the substitute. Do you accept that friendly amendment?

3118
05:15:06,160 --> 05:15:15,760
Can you recate the friendly amendment? Yes. And so I was asking, actually, we already have the July 20, 2016.

3119
05:15:16,740 --> 05:15:19,980
Actually, never mind. I just would draw it. We're all good. Thank you.

3120
05:15:20,980 --> 05:15:22,480
All right. Open the machines for a vote.

3121
05:15:27,600 --> 05:15:28,640
All right. That passes.

3122
05:15:29,260 --> 05:15:31,760
Okay, Commissioner Bolton, bless you.

3123
05:15:31,920 --> 05:15:35,940
If you want to make a motion for 0.309.0, now's the time.

3124
05:15:36,140 --> 05:15:36,640
Yes, ma'am.

3125
05:15:36,860 --> 05:15:39,460
I move to untable item 2.025.

3126
05:15:39,720 --> 05:15:42,140
0.309.0.

3127
05:15:44,140 --> 05:15:45,180
All righty.

3128
05:15:45,300 --> 05:15:47,960
Properly motion to take off the table by Bolton.

3129
05:15:48,120 --> 05:15:49,780
Seconded by Johnson.

3130
05:15:51,060 --> 05:15:53,060
And that has unanimous.

3131
05:15:53,280 --> 05:15:53,540
All right.

3132
05:15:53,640 --> 05:15:55,540
So I will reread the item 20.

3133
05:15:55,680 --> 05:15:57,320
We're on page 20 for everyone.

3134
05:15:59,080 --> 05:16:04,620
It was governing authority that was my friendly amendments to the joint, but anyway, it's okay, it's already passed.

3135
05:16:05,620 --> 05:16:12,020
2025-0390, a resolution to establish a community advisory board for the Dickab County Police Department, do we have a motion?

3136
05:16:12,680 --> 05:16:16,320
I move to withdraw item 2-025-0390.

3137
05:16:17,220 --> 05:16:17,980
Thank you for your motion.

3138
05:16:18,140 --> 05:16:19,020
We have a second.

3139
05:16:19,840 --> 05:16:21,320
Thank you, Commissioner Johnson, properly.

3140
05:16:21,540 --> 05:16:23,320
Seconded, Commissioner Terry's request to speak.

3141
05:16:23,340 --> 05:16:23,960
You have the floor.

3142
05:16:23,960 --> 05:16:32,860
Yes, just again, I want to reiterate that the consensus was to move forward with this policy document that we just voted on and to come back with a full flash strategy.

3143
05:16:33,140 --> 05:16:41,100
I hope that there is going to be some level of community advisory inputs stakeholder within that strategy.

3144
05:16:41,460 --> 05:16:45,020
There's a lot of different ways that that could materialize a manifest.

3145
05:16:45,020 --> 05:16:53,380
The key goal of both of these resolutions was in referencing our speaker this morning, Reverend McCoy,

3146
05:16:54,260 --> 05:17:04,660
to take those spaces in between and create some continuity, some coordination between the community and law enforcement.

3147
05:17:04,780 --> 05:17:10,440
I know it's already being done, but I think articulating it in this way in the policy document, and then with the plan forward,

3148
05:17:10,840 --> 05:17:13,740
gives everyone a clear roadmap and understanding of how we move forward.

3149
05:17:13,740 --> 05:17:15,800
Thank you.

3150
05:17:15,800 --> 05:17:17,220
Thank you very much.

3151
05:17:17,820 --> 05:17:18,920
Seeing no other request to speak.

3152
05:17:19,140 --> 05:17:19,820
Please up in the machines.

3153
05:17:28,980 --> 05:17:29,260
All right.

3154
05:17:29,520 --> 05:17:32,120
Item zero three nine zero has went withdrawn.

3155
05:17:32,260 --> 05:17:35,860
I have a motion to take the arts council item off your motion.

3156
05:17:36,220 --> 05:17:37,560
We have a second.

3157
05:17:38,500 --> 05:17:40,500
Seconded by Commissioner Davis Johnson.

3158
05:17:46,010 --> 05:17:46,150
Yes.

3159
05:17:46,550 --> 05:17:46,890
Okay.

3160
05:17:47,310 --> 05:17:52,810
So before we move on to our first person to request to speak.

3161
05:17:54,870 --> 05:17:55,310
Okay.

3162
05:17:55,590 --> 05:17:56,810
Let's vote on taking it off the table.

3163
05:17:57,170 --> 05:17:57,210
Yes.

3164
05:17:57,210 --> 05:17:57,990
Please open the machine.

3165
05:17:59,010 --> 05:17:59,770
There we go.

3166
05:18:02,140 --> 05:18:02,460
All right.

3167
05:18:02,500 --> 05:18:04,160
Let me reread that item.

3168
05:18:05,400 --> 05:18:07,520
We are now at the bottom of 19th.

3169
05:18:07,880 --> 05:18:10,160
And hopefully we can follow our agenda moving forward.

3170
05:18:12,880 --> 05:18:13,760
2025-0751.

3171
05:18:14,060 --> 05:18:17,280
Resolution of the DeCab County Board of Commission is to create DeCab arts and cultural

3172
05:18:17,280 --> 05:18:17,740
Council.

3173
05:18:18,200 --> 05:18:20,040
Again, this was a district to sponsored items.

3174
05:18:20,100 --> 05:18:22,640
I'm going to pass the gavel here.

3175
05:18:27,530 --> 05:18:28,170
I have motion.

3176
05:18:28,170 --> 05:18:29,270
I have motion.

3177
05:18:30,010 --> 05:18:30,570
Commissioner.

3178
05:18:31,890 --> 05:18:32,690
Ladies and.

3179
05:18:32,730 --> 05:18:33,550
I put the button.

3180
05:18:33,990 --> 05:18:34,950
Commissioner Terry.

3181
05:18:36,550 --> 05:18:38,850
Motion is too deferred this item for two weeks.

3182
05:18:38,990 --> 05:18:39,930
I'm going to second half a comment.

3183
05:18:41,530 --> 05:18:41,870
Second.

3184
05:18:43,170 --> 05:18:43,370
I mean.

3185
05:18:44,390 --> 05:18:45,950
So first and second.

3186
05:18:46,230 --> 05:18:46,750
And I'm sorry.

3187
05:18:47,110 --> 05:18:48,630
I think you want to.

3188
05:18:49,210 --> 05:18:50,530
To interim attorney Phillips.

3189
05:18:55,130 --> 05:18:56,870
We we took off the table.

3190
05:18:56,870 --> 05:19:06,430
So the challenges, there was a motion, there was a motion that was on the floor when this was actually table.

3191
05:19:06,950 --> 05:19:14,470
So the question becomes whether or not we have to vote and address that motion before another motion is made.

3192
05:19:15,090 --> 05:19:19,150
When you come off the table you are in the same place you were in when you went on the table.

3193
05:19:19,150 --> 05:19:23,690
thank you so much with that colleagues that means that we have a

3194
05:19:23,690 --> 05:19:28,650
substituted motion that's presently on the table that was motion by

3195
05:19:28,650 --> 05:19:33,670
commissioner Davis Johnson. I believe it was seconded by commissioner

3196
05:19:33,670 --> 05:19:43,130
Patrick withdraw. It was motion to deny it was denied this agenda item

3197
05:19:43,130 --> 05:19:49,750
would say ending in zero seven five one is that friendly amendment to withdraw to withdraw okay

3198
05:19:49,750 --> 05:19:57,990
if I'll I'll accept a friendly amendment to withdraw. So right now the motion that there's

3199
05:19:57,990 --> 05:20:03,870
a substituted motion that was subject to a friendly amendment which was accepted and that is

3200
05:20:03,870 --> 05:20:10,070
to withdraw agenda item ending in zero seven five one second. There's a second thank you.

3201
05:20:12,400 --> 05:20:12,620
All right

3202
05:20:12,620 --> 05:20:16,740
So we have a first and a second commissioner Terry, is the first requested to speak

3203
05:20:16,740 --> 05:20:17,500
commissioner Terry?

3204
05:20:18,260 --> 05:20:23,720
Thank you again to Commissioner Longspirers for just asking for the executive order.

3205
05:20:24,380 --> 05:20:26,480
And you see that so you're emailed it to?

3206
05:20:26,840 --> 05:20:28,140
Well, I'm looking at it right here.

3207
05:20:29,540 --> 05:20:34,500
So my first question is, Zach, why not trying to play with us, man?

3208
05:20:35,680 --> 05:20:41,360
This reading this resolution as executive order is not what we agree to.

3209
05:20:41,360 --> 05:20:58,480
And I'm going to read it for everyone who doesn't have a copy, standing members with voting privileges, voting keyword, the 11 members of the Board of Directors for this destination to cab, by the way, I've never voted on board members for destination to cab.

3210
05:20:58,480 --> 05:21:03,860
The executive director in CEO will be chair of the board with non-voting privileges, agencies

3211
05:21:03,860 --> 05:21:09,380
and organizations with non-voting privileges can participate as friends of the Decaf Council

3212
05:21:09,380 --> 05:21:14,320
of the Arts as invited one member selected by Eusticab County Commissioner and you got like

3213
05:21:14,320 --> 05:21:15,900
ten different entities.

3214
05:21:16,560 --> 05:21:18,720
So basically, commissioners, you're at the kids table.

3215
05:21:20,780 --> 05:21:24,780
We get to be the friends of the Decaf Council for the Yard, but we don't get the votes.

3216
05:21:25,800 --> 05:21:27,360
That's not what we agreed to.

3217
05:21:27,360 --> 05:21:34,980
The whole purpose of this agenda item was to create this council board where we all have a seat at the table.

3218
05:21:36,180 --> 05:21:44,040
So are we really just going to allow a board that none of us have ever made appointments to by the way?

3219
05:21:44,780 --> 05:21:49,400
I've never in my six years here voted to appoint members to destination to cab.

3220
05:21:49,480 --> 05:21:50,800
So we're already boxed out of that.

3221
05:21:51,520 --> 05:21:54,880
And it's going to be run by the executive director in the CEO chair of the board,

3222
05:21:54,880 --> 05:21:58,300
and we get to be the friends group.

3223
05:21:58,300 --> 05:22:05,200
That is unacceptable, disrespectful, and you're asking us to fund something that we have

3224
05:22:05,200 --> 05:22:07,800
no control over.

3225
05:22:08,400 --> 05:22:09,600
No input on.

3226
05:22:11,060 --> 05:22:13,540
It doesn't even say how the friends group is going to interact.

3227
05:22:14,220 --> 05:22:18,260
Do we literally get to send our people to the meeting and they just get to sit on the side?

3228
05:22:19,420 --> 05:22:21,180
I wasn't joking about the kids table.

3229
05:22:21,840 --> 05:22:25,780
because if you're at the kids table, they tell you what the menu is.

3230
05:22:26,500 --> 05:22:27,400
You don't get the pick.

3231
05:22:28,300 --> 05:22:32,280
If you're at the main table, you get decide to decide what's on the menu.

3232
05:22:33,540 --> 05:22:42,240
So colleagues, I would just respectfully request that we figure something out in the next two weeks or four weeks,

3233
05:22:42,520 --> 05:22:45,560
especially but definitely before we have a meeting,

3234
05:22:46,880 --> 05:22:50,700
calling the public to come and learn about the Council for the Arts and oh by the way,

3235
05:22:51,220 --> 05:22:57,120
Your representatives on the Board of Commissioners have no voting privileges through their

3236
05:22:57,120 --> 05:22:57,620
appointments.

3237
05:22:59,080 --> 05:23:03,160
And as we have established, if we approve something in the budget and we give it to

3238
05:23:03,160 --> 05:23:09,620
destination to cab to spend $500,000, we are giving up our rights as the Board of

3239
05:23:09,620 --> 05:23:13,700
Commissioners to fund items that is our responsibility to fund projects.

3240
05:23:15,380 --> 05:23:20,400
So the next question is going to be Zach, are you asking us to give $500,000 to

3241
05:23:20,400 --> 05:23:28,740
destination to cab and let them go off and have fun without any input from any of the seven board of commissioners up here.

3242
05:23:29,540 --> 05:23:35,500
So I'm really confused. I mean, like, it really looks like it's smoking mirrors up here.

3243
05:23:35,740 --> 05:23:38,200
We never were sent the executive order.

3244
05:23:40,300 --> 05:23:43,140
Never was emailed to us. We heard about it.

3245
05:23:43,140 --> 05:23:48,520
This is from, it was signed, notarized, third day of November, 2025.

3246
05:23:49,840 --> 05:23:55,440
And then, you know, just, as an aside, like anyone that, like, says,

3247
05:23:55,800 --> 05:23:56,660
oh, not my responsibility?

3248
05:23:58,520 --> 05:23:58,720
What?

3249
05:23:59,680 --> 05:24:01,300
You have this executive order.

3250
05:24:01,540 --> 05:24:05,660
You know, it's something that we've all been talking about because it's been on our agenda for six months.

3251
05:24:06,160 --> 05:24:10,060
And you're just going to like, oh, that's not my job to send it to you.

3252
05:24:10,200 --> 05:24:11,880
Who, who, who works for who?

3253
05:24:11,880 --> 05:24:15,320
The clerk, sorry, it was authorized by the clerk.

3254
05:24:16,420 --> 05:24:20,800
She knew about it, the law department knew about it, COO knew about it.

3255
05:24:21,260 --> 05:24:23,540
I mean, did anyone just think in their mind,

3256
05:24:23,840 --> 05:24:25,200
oh, an executive order, the impact,

3257
05:24:25,320 --> 05:24:27,420
something that the Board of Commissioners is actively

3258
05:24:27,420 --> 05:24:31,080
discussing, maybe we should tell them about it.

3259
05:24:31,840 --> 05:24:34,200
Why would that not even enter your minds?

3260
05:24:35,080 --> 05:24:36,800
What do you think that we are?

3261
05:24:37,220 --> 05:24:38,260
Are we rubber stamps?

3262
05:24:38,260 --> 05:24:46,840
Did we run for a election to be not told anything until we read about it in the paper or hear about it the last minute before what the vote on something?

3263
05:24:48,280 --> 05:24:51,120
Disrespectful disrespectful disrespectful not to me

3264
05:24:51,120 --> 05:24:59,360
But to the 350,000 people that I represent who are relying on me to represent them and I can't represent them if you don't tell me what's going on

3265
05:24:59,360 --> 05:25:01,140
It's a high things

3266
05:25:01,720 --> 05:25:02,160
Unacceptable

3267
05:25:05,390 --> 05:25:06,910
You'll come back to Commissioner Terry.

3268
05:25:09,850 --> 05:25:11,590
And there's a typo on the executive order.

3269
05:25:11,690 --> 05:25:12,850
You misspelled human services.

3270
05:25:14,110 --> 05:25:16,170
Are we yielding back on Commissioner Terry?

3271
05:25:16,450 --> 05:25:17,270
And now I yield back.

3272
05:25:17,550 --> 05:25:19,390
All right. Thank you so much, Commissioner Terry.

3273
05:25:20,250 --> 05:25:20,930
I appreciate that.

3274
05:25:21,590 --> 05:25:23,190
Commissioner Long Spears.

3275
05:25:23,930 --> 05:25:26,090
Commissioner Davis Johnson is ahead of me.

3276
05:25:26,890 --> 05:25:27,070
She.

3277
05:25:27,450 --> 05:25:29,090
Okay. Yes. That's fine.

3278
05:25:30,110 --> 05:25:30,310
All right.

3279
05:25:31,250 --> 05:25:31,810
So.

3280
05:25:33,130 --> 05:25:33,710
To be clear.

3281
05:25:39,320 --> 05:25:40,320
I'm excited about

3282
05:25:40,320 --> 05:25:43,720
about to cab county, having an arts council.

3283
05:25:44,000 --> 05:25:47,380
It's something that myself and several other advocates

3284
05:25:47,380 --> 05:25:50,460
have been advocating for for quite some time.

3285
05:25:51,320 --> 05:25:53,300
It would have been helpful to have received

3286
05:25:53,300 --> 05:25:56,780
a copy of the executive order before we actually talk

3287
05:25:56,780 --> 05:25:59,260
about it in public on the days.

3288
05:25:59,900 --> 05:26:02,860
And then it just has created so much consternation

3289
05:26:02,860 --> 05:26:07,200
and really bordering on anger, not receiving this in November.

3290
05:26:07,520 --> 05:26:09,320
I imagine it was just simply an oversight.

3291
05:26:09,320 --> 05:26:18,220
I get it. Mistakes happen. I am open to withdrawing the item. Again, this was an item that my office sponsored.

3292
05:26:19,000 --> 05:26:34,740
However, I would really like for us to please consider a two week deferral. If you do read the bottom of page two is that we as commissioners, we do not get a voting appointment.

3293
05:26:34,740 --> 05:26:42,740
we receive a non-voting appointment of the Friends of the DeCab Council for the Arts.

3294
05:26:43,780 --> 05:26:52,180
One reason I find that to be concerning is that we don't have a voice to represent our constituents.

3295
05:26:53,060 --> 05:26:56,020
Me-1, 4, 6, 7 and so on.

3296
05:26:57,320 --> 05:27:02,140
Also, there is a link which, and again, I haven't been able to go through with a fine tooth count,

3297
05:27:02,140 --> 05:27:04,900
So we just received it and I'm presiding never the meetings.

3298
05:27:05,080 --> 05:27:07,720
It's not easy to read and talk all at the same time.

3299
05:27:08,140 --> 05:27:11,460
Top of page four, the organizational meetings and officers,

3300
05:27:12,220 --> 05:27:15,220
there is no language in this executive order

3301
05:27:16,820 --> 05:27:21,360
to the meeting schedule for the friends of the DeCab Council

3302
05:27:21,360 --> 05:27:22,380
for the arts.

3303
05:27:22,800 --> 05:27:24,920
So I do find that a little bit concerning.

3304
05:27:25,060 --> 05:27:28,040
I don't really see a plan for this group.

3305
05:27:28,040 --> 05:27:35,940
So I still believe that it's in our best interest to just defer it for two weeks because perhaps

3306
05:27:35,940 --> 05:27:41,320
there is a way of going back to Madam CEO and requesting that she consider an appointment

3307
05:27:41,960 --> 05:27:47,660
for each of us on the boating side of the arts council.

3308
05:27:49,120 --> 05:27:53,400
Other than that, thank you very much for providing printed copies.

3309
05:27:53,540 --> 05:27:56,120
Again, it would have been better to have gotten this in November.

3310
05:27:56,120 --> 05:27:59,880
But thank you so much, now you'll back to Commissioner Messiah.

3311
05:28:00,500 --> 05:28:02,880
Thank you so much, Madam Peo.

3312
05:28:03,180 --> 05:28:04,280
Commissioner Bolton.

3313
05:28:08,200 --> 05:28:08,700
Thank you.

3314
05:28:09,000 --> 05:28:12,980
And I want it to iterate what stood out to me as well.

3315
05:28:13,580 --> 05:28:24,060
On pay, well, starting at the very bottom of page two, item B1 and then all of the Roman numerals after that.

3316
05:28:24,060 --> 05:28:30,360
It's very clear that there's one member from each of these, one member selected by each of the commissioners,

3317
05:28:30,460 --> 05:28:35,820
one member for the Board of Education, one member municipal association, so on and so forth.

3318
05:28:36,360 --> 05:28:46,660
One member all the way until you get to items 11, 12, and 13, and then there's no direct association with a limit.

3319
05:28:46,840 --> 05:28:51,820
It just says local artists and cultural practitioners, professionals from creative industries,

3320
05:28:51,820 --> 05:28:57,860
representatives from local arts and cultural organizations, and I would like to clean that up

3321
05:28:57,860 --> 05:29:05,240
so it's clear if there is a maximum number and if there isn't and we can allow for items

3322
05:29:05,240 --> 05:29:12,220
11, 12 and 13 multiple folks then there should be a reconsideration for the other ones as well

3323
05:29:12,220 --> 05:29:14,120
considering they're not voting members.

3324
05:29:16,200 --> 05:29:20,640
So these appointments will not impact the authority's ability

3325
05:29:20,640 --> 05:29:26,820
to do work. So I would like to see that cleaned up a little bit. Of course I do feel the same way

3326
05:29:26,820 --> 05:29:32,960
about us not having a voting member, but just looking at those items specifically that's

3327
05:29:35,980 --> 05:29:40,920
yeah yeah that's not going to work where we're limited certain bodies are limited and then there's

3328
05:29:40,920 --> 05:29:47,720
no discretion for 11 to 12 and 13. I yield back. Thank you so much and Commissioner

3329
05:29:47,720 --> 05:29:49,360
Republican Commissioner Davis Johnson?

3330
05:29:50,060 --> 05:29:54,520
Okay, you know, what I would say is this.

3331
05:29:55,680 --> 05:29:59,980
Is that if you, if it's a boy of art?

3332
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:09,920
Social Affairs, that voting board should have knowledge and experience in cultural affairs.

3333
05:30:11,580 --> 05:30:28,280
I feel that our representatives should have input, but if you're not familiar, and if you don't have knowledge, if you're not a part of, then you really

3334
05:30:28,280 --> 05:30:41,160
shouldn't have voting powers as far as the creation of arts in the cab and what we do in the

3335
05:30:41,160 --> 05:30:51,880
eyes after you've heard from different perspectives from our representatives that I think

3336
05:30:51,880 --> 05:30:56,080
that the experts should determine the programming,

3337
05:30:57,300 --> 05:30:59,720
not the people that is on the board.

3338
05:31:00,140 --> 05:31:06,720
This is not anything new as some may suspect.

3339
05:31:07,360 --> 05:31:11,220
There was a decab council of the odds.

3340
05:31:12,180 --> 05:31:19,260
Prior to the game, the game was a rule.

3341
05:31:19,260 --> 05:31:33,340
Prior to Burrell Alice being elected, I don't remember what he ever tried to Burrell Alice being elected.

3342
05:31:33,500 --> 05:31:36,360
And I think that the Becaf Council for the Arts.

3343
05:31:36,600 --> 05:31:46,780
I can't remember why they, and I don't remember who changed the Becaf Council for the Arts.

3344
05:31:46,780 --> 05:31:51,720
But there was already a decay of counsel for the eyes, and I think that they did a good job.

3345
05:31:51,940 --> 05:31:52,900
They was experienced.

3346
05:31:53,520 --> 05:32:03,560
In fact, me and several members of that board became great friends, but I always would

3347
05:32:03,560 --> 05:32:08,240
adhere to their opinions when it came to their eyes.

3348
05:32:08,240 --> 05:32:23,860
Because I didn't know, I could give my input and let them tell me their opinions, the same thing when I initiated, the, for me in pedigarrant, me in pedigarrant.

3349
05:32:25,480 --> 05:32:29,760
Initiated the John Lewis Commemorative Task Force.

3350
05:32:30,160 --> 05:32:35,420
We reached back to get many of those members that were

3351
05:32:35,420 --> 05:32:40,260
wanted to cap counsel for the arts to get their expertise.

3352
05:32:41,080 --> 05:32:45,800
And when it came to the arts, that's what we use,

3353
05:32:46,260 --> 05:32:50,760
their opinion, with everybody else giving their input.

3354
05:32:50,760 --> 05:32:56,340
But when it came to the arts, they were the experts.

3355
05:32:56,980 --> 05:33:00,260
They were the persons that had the knowledge.

3356
05:33:00,820 --> 05:33:05,060
So I'm in a grants with the administration.

3357
05:33:07,400 --> 05:33:13,540
And I think that I think that we need to let the people

3358
05:33:13,540 --> 05:33:17,360
vote that have the experience in it by listening to the input

3359
05:33:17,360 --> 05:33:27,820
that everyone has is giving so that we can have another successful board that we had when

3360
05:33:27,820 --> 05:33:38,360
the board, when the board of the Council of the Arts were formed and while they decided

3361
05:33:38,360 --> 05:33:41,940
it over the odds and the cap, can I yield back.

3362
05:33:42,340 --> 05:33:44,500
Thank you so much, Commissioner, David Johnson.

3363
05:33:45,160 --> 05:33:47,900
And I'm sorry, CEO Williams, you do have something

3364
05:33:47,900 --> 05:33:49,740
you'd like to share with the board.

3365
05:33:50,560 --> 05:33:52,700
Well, just as I was thinking and listening,

3366
05:33:52,980 --> 05:33:55,860
I mean, we're obviously taking it all in.

3367
05:33:55,880 --> 05:33:58,920
Our intent would be to bring forward kind of,

3368
05:33:59,000 --> 05:34:01,640
in my view, maybe we can present at an upcoming committee

3369
05:34:01,640 --> 05:34:06,000
of the whole, how we would anticipate this rolling out,

3370
05:34:06,000 --> 05:34:12,180
maybe provide a little more detail, and I'm more than happy to just take back this conversation

3371
05:34:12,180 --> 05:34:18,540
to the CEO relative to some concerns that have been voiced relative to the role of

3372
05:34:18,540 --> 05:34:22,960
commission appointees, but understand the executive order has been issued, right?

3373
05:34:23,420 --> 05:34:29,280
So, you know, I would be more than happy to have the conversation to see, you know,

3374
05:34:29,340 --> 05:34:35,300
the CEO has other thoughts on any potential modification or something of the executive order.

3375
05:34:38,020 --> 05:34:45,020
And that speaks to whether you hold this item for two weeks, whether you withdraw the item,

3376
05:34:45,040 --> 05:34:47,200
either way, would take the same course of action.

3377
05:34:47,660 --> 05:34:49,060
Thank you so much.

3378
05:34:49,360 --> 05:34:50,600
Commissioner Terry?

3379
05:34:54,090 --> 05:35:02,190
So, I really don't know what's so controversial about just setting it up like we do every other board

3380
05:35:02,970 --> 05:35:05,790
and committing advisory group into Cap County.

3381
05:35:06,430 --> 05:35:14,610
I mean, I do agree with my colleague that the individuals on the council for the arch should have, you know, background in that.

3382
05:35:14,770 --> 05:35:18,330
I mean, that's, I kind of think that's an obvious point.

3383
05:35:18,750 --> 05:35:23,090
You report someone to planning and zoning and community council about interest in land use and zoning.

3384
05:35:23,910 --> 05:35:26,630
People, to the park's wreck board, who have interest in parks and wreck.

3385
05:35:27,990 --> 05:35:31,510
So like, I don't think there's any dispute about that.

3386
05:35:31,510 --> 05:35:41,290
But just expect that politicians are really good at deflecting and off-puscating about what the real issue is.

3387
05:35:41,710 --> 05:35:47,290
Because everything I heard was about something completely different than what we're talking about.

3388
05:35:47,970 --> 05:35:49,810
And then I heard just support the administration.

3389
05:35:51,070 --> 05:35:54,070
And then I heard Zack say, well the executive order's already been passed.

3390
05:35:55,590 --> 05:36:00,370
I mean, Zack, it sounds like we're going to move forward whether you like it or not.

3391
05:36:00,370 --> 05:36:11,990
And what I'd like to hear, maybe, what I'd like to hear is, oh yeah, it makes sense that

3392
05:36:11,990 --> 05:36:17,810
the Board of Commissioners who approve funding should have some sort of seat at the table.

3393
05:36:19,290 --> 05:36:28,910
And maybe in the motion to withdraw, we could have a request of the CEO to amend the executive

3394
05:36:28,910 --> 05:36:31,630
order to restructure the membership.

3395
05:36:34,190 --> 05:36:36,250
And this is something we can't, I know it's going

3396
05:36:36,250 --> 05:36:41,970
to be difficult to work out on the diasere, but I really do not understand why the board

3397
05:36:41,970 --> 05:36:51,930
of directors of destination to cab is the board of the Council for the Arts. I mean, ostensibly,

3398
05:36:52,750 --> 05:36:58,250
the destination to cab board is the visitor and convention bureau. So those are individuals

3399
05:36:58,250 --> 05:37:05,890
that are interested in tourism and art is tourism, but I couldn't say I know necessarily that everyone

3400
05:37:05,890 --> 05:37:11,630
on there is an expert in art and I know for a fact that I've never appointed anyone to

3401
05:37:11,630 --> 05:37:18,990
destination to cab. We should start that by the way. But I would just suggest, and Mr. Davis

3402
05:37:18,990 --> 05:37:23,730
Johnson, you're the maker of the motion. So, you know, you can accept this friendly amendment to simply

3403
05:37:23,730 --> 05:37:35,950
ask the CEO to redo the executive order, refresh this membership section number five, and give

3404
05:37:35,950 --> 05:37:43,670
one member selected by each to cab county commissioner a voting privilege. Simple as that.

3405
05:37:46,140 --> 05:37:46,260
Would

3406
05:37:46,260 --> 05:37:47,320
You've set that for the amendment?

3407
05:37:50,060 --> 05:38:07,340
It's a bit with the modification for the CEO's office to consider all of the recommendations

3408
05:38:07,570 --> 05:38:15,040
that have been made by the commissioners and represent to us.

3409
05:38:17,220 --> 05:38:19,560
possible amended executive board.

3410
05:38:21,100 --> 05:38:21,240
Okay.

3411
05:38:21,680 --> 05:38:23,140
Well, I can accept that.

3412
05:38:23,300 --> 05:38:30,060
I would like to hear from CEO Williams if there could be a, if we could have that before the launch.

3413
05:38:30,280 --> 05:38:31,940
Because I mean, y'all are already like,

3414
05:38:31,960 --> 05:38:35,160
or announcing the launch of the cab council for the arts and February.

3415
05:38:36,660 --> 05:38:39,600
So, you know, can we, can we get this thing?

3416
05:38:39,600 --> 05:38:42,280
This is executive order updated in the next few weeks.

3417
05:38:42,280 --> 05:38:44,380
So I can definitely have this conversation.

3418
05:38:45,300 --> 05:38:47,520
You know, ultimately, it's going to be the CEO.

3419
05:38:47,740 --> 05:38:49,880
It is her authority that issues it.

3420
05:38:50,360 --> 05:38:51,960
But we'll have the conversation.

3421
05:38:53,500 --> 05:38:54,480
All right, we can have that one.

3422
05:38:54,560 --> 05:38:55,020
We can have that one.

3423
05:38:55,440 --> 05:38:57,100
Well, I'll just, I mean, I think it was,

3424
05:38:57,100 --> 05:38:58,080
I think it was miss advertising.

3425
05:38:58,440 --> 05:39:00,160
Because when we were at Brookhaven,

3426
05:39:01,580 --> 05:39:04,180
we got the whole dog and pony show.

3427
05:39:04,920 --> 05:39:07,160
And it was stated, and you know what?

3428
05:39:07,160 --> 05:39:08,780
I'm going to send somebody back to look at the tape.

3429
05:39:09,420 --> 05:39:11,120
Because I distinctly remember, oh, yeah,

3430
05:39:11,120 --> 05:39:16,200
the Board of Commissioners, y'all are going to be y'all are going to have a seal in that board.

3431
05:39:16,660 --> 05:39:18,200
It's going to be everything we all do together.

3432
05:39:19,460 --> 05:39:25,180
So I don't understand why, I mean, like, we record every meeting.

3433
05:39:25,520 --> 05:39:29,160
So when you say something up here on the dials, I just go back and check the tape.

3434
05:39:29,860 --> 05:39:33,760
So why the games, why the off-use case, why the say one thing and do another.

3435
05:39:34,640 --> 05:39:36,340
If just do what you say you're going to do.

3436
05:39:36,640 --> 05:39:38,540
It's like the basic definition of integrity.

3437
05:39:39,240 --> 05:39:49,760
Do what you say you're going to do and at the moment you realize that you are not going to be able to do what you said you are going to do, you let the other person know that's the least you could do.

3438
05:39:50,040 --> 05:39:52,960
I understand your Federation Commission or Terry.

3439
05:39:54,080 --> 05:40:03,680
I believe that I mean that COO has answered your question and that what the intent is to take some of these suggestions back to the CEO.

3440
05:40:03,680 --> 05:40:05,500
and then the CO would never knowingly.

3441
05:40:05,800 --> 05:40:06,320
Consideration.

3442
05:40:06,840 --> 05:40:11,360
So that's my understanding, is the commissioner long spares?

3443
05:40:12,080 --> 05:40:13,220
Thank you very much.

3444
05:40:13,560 --> 05:40:14,900
Madam Deputy Presiding Officer.

3445
05:40:16,000 --> 05:40:18,560
So while we were speaking, again, it's the first time I've

3446
05:40:18,560 --> 05:40:20,400
seen this item, like many of you all.

3447
05:40:20,940 --> 05:40:25,200
I did shoot an email to which y'all are all copied on.

3448
05:40:25,420 --> 05:40:28,160
If Madam CEO would consider each commissioner

3449
05:40:28,160 --> 05:40:30,700
having a voting appointment and her answer is no,

3450
05:40:30,700 --> 05:40:39,780
She did state a rationale for that so I just encourage you guys to take a look at your email and just see the response that she gave to us

3451
05:40:40,940 --> 05:40:46,320
I would really like for us to have two weeks just to talk about this a little bit further

3452
05:40:46,320 --> 05:40:56,660
I think there's just a lot of unanswered questions in this and I just don't feel comfortable having to vote on something that's been active for over six months

3453
05:40:56,660 --> 05:41:05,200
It's not right six months, it's May, I think of May of last year without really being able

3454
05:41:05,200 --> 05:41:11,740
to deep dive with either Madame CEO, with Mr. Williams, with James, we discovered a cab.

3455
05:41:12,280 --> 05:41:16,260
I just think there's a lot of loopholes in this that I believe would be very easy to clear

3456
05:41:16,260 --> 05:41:18,240
up, or at least I would hope so.

3457
05:41:18,620 --> 05:41:23,140
So I really would prefer a deferral of two weeks and I yield back.

3458
05:41:23,240 --> 05:41:23,620
Thank you.

3459
05:41:23,720 --> 05:41:24,100
Thank you.

3460
05:41:24,100 --> 05:41:31,140
much Commissioner Long Spears. Is there anyone who hasn't spoken yet that would like an opportunity

3461
05:41:31,140 --> 05:41:38,640
to speak on this particular issue? And so in terms of going the second round, is everyone

3462
05:41:38,640 --> 05:41:43,260
who would like to speak on the second round, have they had an opportunity to do so?

3463
05:41:47,700 --> 05:41:55,880
Or is there anyone

3464
05:41:55,880 --> 05:41:59,820
Finally, your friendly amendment removed.

3465
05:42:01,400 --> 05:42:04,120
For me, I want you to withdraw.

3466
05:42:04,480 --> 05:42:04,620
Yeah.

3467
05:42:04,680 --> 05:42:09,440
I offered up another friendly amendment, is that we just defer it for two weeks.

3468
05:42:10,100 --> 05:42:12,220
Just so we can get these questions answered.

3469
05:42:12,980 --> 05:42:13,200
Well,

3470
05:42:15,340 --> 05:42:21,120
my motion to withdraw will stand on the table.

3471
05:42:21,120 --> 05:42:40,520
I do not think it's fair when we're talking for any particular commission to text the CEO on their position to get an asset to tell us something that we're discussing.

3472
05:42:42,300 --> 05:42:48,720
It would either be, yeah, I just don't think that was proper, but it's done.

3473
05:42:48,720 --> 05:42:55,980
And so I think that my motion to

3474
05:42:58,830 --> 05:43:05,190
keep it to withdraw, go back to the CEO for her to consider

3475
05:43:05,730 --> 05:43:18,890
all the suggestions that was made here today and report back to us, maybe she can be at the commission meeting,

3476
05:43:18,890 --> 05:43:28,130
Committee of the Hall, when she's reporting back to us, but my motion to withdraw stands with

3477
05:43:28,130 --> 05:43:42,010
the recommendation that the CEO consider all of the suggestions made here today and report back

3478
05:43:42,850 --> 05:43:50,250
to us. Are you bad? Thank you. I'm so much Commissioner Davis Johnson and I'm going to pass

3479
05:43:50,250 --> 05:43:55,790
the gable to the deputy deputy at this point so that I can speak. I mean just simply I would

3480
05:43:55,790 --> 05:44:01,330
like to see us you know work more collectively. I think that there are certain items where as a

3481
05:44:01,330 --> 05:44:07,750
governing body as a whole we all would like to be able to have some input and thought particularly

3482
05:44:07,750 --> 05:44:14,430
as it is affecting our districts, that's why when I broke down some of what I expected, what

3483
05:44:14,430 --> 05:44:19,150
have been communicated in terms of our roles and responsibility, I started with trying to confirm

3484
05:44:19,150 --> 05:44:26,710
that first so that there was an understanding. Again, there are sometimes where it is thought

3485
05:44:27,350 --> 05:44:34,070
that we could have and I don't disagree with this additional information and that we could have

3486
05:44:34,070 --> 05:44:43,350
more of an input, but I draw the line at where we branch into actual operation administration

3487
05:44:43,350 --> 05:44:50,930
because that is the arm of the CEO and on the same basis it is our responsibility to make

3488
05:44:50,930 --> 05:44:56,930
sure that we budget and fund for things and I understand us wanting to be as clear, knowing

3489
05:44:56,930 --> 05:44:59,970
knowledgeable as possible as to those things that

3490
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:09,280
We're funding. So, whether there's an opportunity to have more conversations to be able to have more input without

3491
05:45:11,460 --> 05:45:21,340
interfering and going outside of the scope of our responsibility and obligation and vice versa, I just encourage us to be able to do that.

3492
05:45:21,440 --> 05:45:25,080
With that, I yield back to you, Deputy Deputy.

3493
05:45:26,140 --> 05:45:31,200
Thank you, Deputy, and Commissioner Yves Johnson, I think you've exhausted.

3494
05:45:32,000 --> 05:45:34,040
So am I passing, or do you want me to call the question?

3495
05:45:35,580 --> 05:45:43,340
You know, at this point we have a first and second commissioner, David Johnson, just for

3496
05:45:43,340 --> 05:45:46,720
the purposes of having a clear articulation as to the motion.

3497
05:45:47,240 --> 05:45:51,680
Can you please reiterate your motion with any friendly amendments if there are any?

3498
05:45:51,680 --> 05:46:13,700
Yeah, my motion is to withdraw with taking back to the CEO of all of the comments by the board here today to reconsider and report back to the board.

3499
05:46:13,700 --> 05:46:24,780
We consider all of the suggestions that was made here today, and then come back hopefully on the committee of the whole to discuss.

3500
05:46:25,520 --> 05:46:26,560
Second stand.

3501
05:46:26,840 --> 05:46:27,260
All right.

3502
05:46:27,460 --> 05:46:30,880
Seeing how we have a proper first and a second, can we open up the machines for vote?

3503
05:46:48,480 --> 05:46:49,740
That motions is failed.

3504
05:46:49,740 --> 05:47:00,380
I have a new motion to defer item 0751 for two weeks with a stop and the committee of the

3505
05:47:00,380 --> 05:47:06,740
whole meeting next week to discuss some of the concerns further and anticipation and hope

3506
05:47:06,740 --> 05:47:11,740
that we can finalize it by the second business meeting of the month.

3507
05:47:11,740 --> 05:47:12,220
Second,

3508
05:47:17,090 --> 05:47:24,550
have a new motion with a deferment for two weeks, properly first, a moved by a

3509
05:47:24,550 --> 05:47:30,010
Commissioner Longspear, seconder, seconded by Commissioner Robert Patrick, can we open up the

3510
05:47:30,010 --> 05:47:31,170
machines for a vote?

3511
05:47:35,120 --> 05:47:39,060
And that motion to defer passes. Passing a gobble back.

3512
05:47:39,400 --> 05:47:46,620
Thank you very much. Okay. So we have been jumping all around the agenda. I'm going to request

3513
05:47:46,620 --> 05:47:51,420
that we follow the agenda as printed between now and the remainder of this meeting.

3514
05:47:52,020 --> 05:47:53,680
We'll draw your attention to the time.

3515
05:47:53,680 --> 05:47:58,800
It is 249 p.m. The PX committee should have started at 2 p.m.

3516
05:47:59,020 --> 05:48:01,720
Followed by the fab starting at 330 p.m.

3517
05:48:02,480 --> 05:48:05,400
Mr. Fab chair, are you anticipating maintaining this?

3518
05:48:05,780 --> 05:48:08,700
I think we're going to have to just call a special call of that meeting.

3519
05:48:09,240 --> 05:48:13,940
So anyone who might be here for fab and just give you just let everyone know that we're just not going to have time this afternoon.

3520
05:48:14,440 --> 05:48:17,620
So we will try to schedule a thad as soon as possible special call.

3521
05:48:18,000 --> 05:48:18,120
Thank you.

3522
05:48:18,240 --> 05:48:22,080
And there are several folks that I am looking at right now that I've been waiting patiently.

3523
05:48:22,920 --> 05:48:27,720
And so Commissioner Terry, or central staff will reach out to you guys with a special

3524
05:48:27,720 --> 05:48:32,920
call meeting date to discuss the item that you're looking for.

3525
05:48:33,280 --> 05:48:33,540
All righty.

3526
05:48:36,990 --> 05:48:37,410
Moving.

3527
05:48:38,270 --> 05:48:38,270
All

3528
05:48:41,660 --> 05:48:42,120
right.

3529
05:48:42,300 --> 05:48:43,120
Madam, presenting officer.

3530
05:48:43,640 --> 05:48:44,940
We taking care of all the table items.

3531
05:48:45,100 --> 05:48:45,600
Is that correct?

3532
05:48:46,140 --> 05:48:46,720
Yes, sir.

3533
05:48:47,000 --> 05:48:47,200
Okay.

3534
05:48:47,460 --> 05:48:48,640
We had two.

3535
05:48:48,640 --> 05:48:49,340
We had two.

3536
05:48:49,340 --> 05:48:51,340
What's the third one?

3537
05:48:52,040 --> 05:48:53,020
Who's what's the third one?

3538
05:48:55,240 --> 05:48:58,000
We've not, we didn't have this many table items all of last year.

3539
05:48:58,440 --> 05:48:59,720
I mean all of this in one meeting.

3540
05:48:59,900 --> 05:49:00,860
I'm really jealous.

3541
05:49:01,720 --> 05:49:02,540
What's the other one?

3542
05:49:02,740 --> 05:49:03,820
I can't hear you.

3543
05:49:05,240 --> 05:49:05,620
Yeah.

3544
05:49:05,960 --> 05:49:06,260
Okay.

3545
05:49:06,820 --> 05:49:07,120
Okay.

3546
05:49:07,500 --> 05:49:08,700
And what page is that?

3547
05:49:08,700 --> 05:49:11,940
So we'll hold that item to the end of the meeting place.

3548
05:49:12,600 --> 05:49:13,020
Okay.

3549
05:49:13,380 --> 05:49:14,660
But good catch commissioner.

3550
05:49:16,580 --> 05:49:18,340
And please remind me.

3551
05:49:19,120 --> 05:49:19,260
Okay.

3552
05:49:19,260 --> 05:49:22,640
Top of page 23,

3553
05:49:26,410 --> 05:49:35,670
okay item 15 0 6 all commission districts approve a resolution to ensure that the county's judges receive the same benefits as the judges as a period court of the

3554
05:49:35,670 --> 05:49:40,570
Decab judicial circuit county employees and judges and other counties. We have a motion.

3555
05:49:42,150 --> 05:49:46,430
Madam chair motion to defer for two weeks. Although I would like to ask a lot of

3556
05:49:46,430 --> 05:49:54,570
to help us clarify when we can have the executive session to discuss the issues with the

3557
05:49:54,570 --> 05:49:56,830
outside council as the report has been completed.

3558
05:49:59,180 --> 05:50:02,780
I understand you'll be able to have executive session after your call as we normally

3559
05:50:02,780 --> 05:50:03,840
would next week.

3560
05:50:04,900 --> 05:50:06,440
We will work to schedule that.

3561
05:50:09,290 --> 05:50:10,770
All right.

3562
05:50:11,090 --> 05:50:15,850
Properly seconded by Commissioner Johnson and just to reiterate that is a two week deferral

3563
05:50:15,850 --> 05:50:18,630
see no other request to speak open the machines for vote.

3564
05:50:23,740 --> 05:50:25,080
All right, that deferral passes.

3565
05:50:25,240 --> 05:50:27,280
I hope y'all can enjoy the rest of your day.

3566
05:50:27,500 --> 05:50:30,400
Those are with us for that item and fab.

3567
05:50:31,180 --> 05:50:34,220
All right, bottom of page 23, item 1816,

3568
05:50:34,640 --> 05:50:36,980
a resolution of the Board of Commissioners of Dicab County

3569
05:50:36,980 --> 05:50:40,140
to establish a formal process for appointing a commissioner

3570
05:50:40,140 --> 05:50:43,580
to the Dicab County continuum of care governance board.

3571
05:50:43,580 --> 05:50:44,540
Do we have a motion?

3572
05:50:45,700 --> 05:50:46,260
Yes.

3573
05:50:47,800 --> 05:50:49,440
A motion to refer this item.

3574
05:50:50,460 --> 05:50:57,440
to the February the 10th Board of Commission with the submonauts.

3575
05:50:58,220 --> 05:51:02,320
Okay, so you are deferring February 10th stop-and-ops.

3576
05:51:03,140 --> 05:51:03,360
Second.

3577
05:51:04,160 --> 05:51:04,900
Thank you for your motion.

3578
05:51:05,060 --> 05:51:06,640
If you'll hit the button, please.

3579
05:51:07,600 --> 05:51:09,120
Properly seconded by Commissioner Bolton.

3580
05:51:09,400 --> 05:51:10,800
Commissioner Terry has requested to speak.

3581
05:51:10,960 --> 05:51:11,480
You have the floor.

3582
05:51:11,880 --> 05:51:12,880
Yes, that's really quickly.

3583
05:51:13,900 --> 05:51:16,260
Zach and I know Director Mitchell is here as well.

3584
05:51:17,020 --> 05:51:17,720
Oh my god.

3585
05:51:17,720 --> 05:51:25,740
So just would like for y'all to, before the next committee meeting, just to respond back on this resolution.

3586
05:51:26,160 --> 05:51:38,200
The only reason I introduced is because Director Mitchell said that he thought it would be a good idea to have elected officials on the board because it gives us more points in the federal grant scoring system.

3587
05:51:38,200 --> 05:51:47,940
So I hope this is just like a win-win for everyone, start to beat the drum over and over again for commissioners to have an appointment on a board.

3588
05:51:49,120 --> 05:51:57,640
Shocking, I know, but if you don't just don't wait at the committee meeting to say we're still thinking about it or we're still reviewing it.

3589
05:51:57,920 --> 05:52:01,160
I mean, I just can't imagine something more straightforward, cut and dry.

3590
05:52:01,660 --> 05:52:07,320
If it's going to happen, just let us move forward, make our appointment, because Director

3591
05:52:07,320 --> 05:52:10,720
Mitchell already said that he was there planning to do this anyways within their CFC.

3592
05:52:11,460 --> 05:52:15,880
I understand that the no-fo got pushed back, so I know it's not a huge hurry, but I'd

3593
05:52:15,880 --> 05:52:19,780
like for us just to take care of this, get it off our agenda, I think it's straightforward,

3594
05:52:20,960 --> 05:52:24,780
so just please the next two weeks, or I guess the next week, just give us the response

3595
05:52:24,780 --> 05:52:25,140
on it.

3596
05:52:25,160 --> 05:52:25,740
Thank you.

3597
05:52:28,140 --> 05:52:32,820
I'm ready. Commissioner Davis Johnson has requested to speak. You have the floor ma'am.

3598
05:52:33,100 --> 05:52:44,520
Yeah, I think that the reason that we continued that from the Ops Committee last time was because

3599
05:52:45,260 --> 05:52:49,440
Mr. Mitchell was not present to speak on it.

3600
05:52:49,440 --> 05:52:55,060
And so John knows to reach out to commission.

3601
05:52:55,300 --> 05:53:03,660
I mean, to make sure that he could be present at a nice meeting.

3602
05:53:07,480 --> 05:53:07,900
Thank you.

3603
05:53:07,980 --> 05:53:08,660
I'll go back.

3604
05:53:09,320 --> 05:53:09,780
All right.

3605
05:53:10,160 --> 05:53:10,560
OK.

3606
05:53:10,580 --> 05:53:12,080
See, no other request to speak.

3607
05:53:12,340 --> 05:53:13,860
Please up in the machines for vote.

3608
05:53:29,260 --> 05:53:30,940
Motion to defer to passes.

3609
05:53:31,160 --> 05:53:34,920
We are now at the top of page 24 community development.

3610
05:53:34,920 --> 05:53:40,240
Item 2025-1820 local government agreement for the

3611
05:53:40,240 --> 05:53:47,120
Decab regional landbake authority do we have a motion motion to defer to the

3612
05:53:47,120 --> 05:53:49,200
January 27th

3613
05:53:49,200 --> 05:53:54,300
VLC with the stop in PX to well it was planned for a stop in PX today we

3614
05:53:54,300 --> 05:53:57,960
might have to do that during a special call to a

3615
05:53:57,960 --> 05:54:02,440
certain we're going to get to PX today so motion to defer to January 27th

3616
05:54:02,440 --> 05:54:05,740
and we'll see you at the stop in PEX for the step-in-PEX.

3617
05:54:07,240 --> 05:54:07,300
All right.

3618
05:54:07,300 --> 05:54:08,200
Thank you for your motion.

3619
05:54:08,480 --> 05:54:09,600
Seconded by Commissioner Terry.

3620
05:54:09,880 --> 05:54:10,260
Seeing no regret.

3621
05:54:21,600 --> 05:54:22,360
Good morning.

3622
05:54:22,580 --> 05:54:25,280
Welcome to our January 6th committee of the whole meeting.

3623
05:54:25,480 --> 05:54:27,060
My name is Michelle Long Spears.

3624
05:54:27,100 --> 05:54:28,880
I serve as the presiding officer.

3625
05:54:29,660 --> 05:54:30,020
And district.

3626
05:54:31,000 --> 05:54:31,340
All right.

3627
05:54:31,500 --> 05:54:33,700
So we're going to pass yet again to our deputy.

3628
05:54:34,300 --> 05:54:35,820
So you'll be presiding officer.

3629
05:54:36,420 --> 05:54:37,060
Thank you very much.

3630
05:54:37,240 --> 05:54:37,960
Thank you very much.

3631
05:54:38,000 --> 05:54:39,220
This is I don't.

3632
05:54:39,220 --> 05:54:43,920
We'll wait for those who would like to leave the stage to be the stage.

3633
05:54:54,990 --> 05:54:55,390
Okay, thank you.

3634
05:54:55,810 --> 05:54:59,550
This is item 224-135-2 all-commissioned districts.

3635
05:55:00,210 --> 05:55:02,570
The Deed Cab County Board of Ethics requests

3636
05:55:02,570 --> 05:55:06,170
of the Deed Cab County Board of Commissioners take action

3637
05:55:06,170 --> 05:55:09,870
to enforce the December 15, 2022 decision

3638
05:55:09,870 --> 05:55:11,970
of the Board of Ethics Against Von Irons

3639
05:55:11,970 --> 05:55:15,590
in the Ethics Board case of Ray Johnson versus Von Irons.

3640
05:55:15,690 --> 05:55:16,510
Is there a motion?

3641
05:55:17,590 --> 05:55:18,050
Yes.

3642
05:55:18,050 --> 05:55:25,110
I moved to deny that the care of County Board of Athletics requires that the county indefinitely

3643
05:55:25,110 --> 05:55:34,610
is the spring, Varnan's, his company A, P, D, and our, his other businesses from contracting

3644
05:55:34,610 --> 05:55:36,510
of the care of county.

3645
05:55:36,930 --> 05:55:46,170
The Board of Athletics and Dependent Suspension request arises from a last actions by Mr.

3646
05:55:46,170 --> 05:55:54,250
arms in 2012, which has, well, there were a different, whether it was a different

3647
05:55:54,250 --> 05:56:01,930
ethics code in place, a different ethics officer, and a different ethics board.

3648
05:56:02,950 --> 05:56:10,550
Under the ethics code, and laws in place in 2012, it is formed.

3649
05:56:10,550 --> 05:56:18,290
It is far from clear that the Camp County, given an authority, would have legal authority

3650
05:56:18,290 --> 05:56:26,130
now to impose the penalty that the Board of Ethics has requested.

3651
05:56:27,450 --> 05:56:35,970
Through the Board of Commissioners, the Board of Ethics efforts to maintain an ethical

3652
05:56:35,970 --> 05:56:44,250
environment in the Camp County, the Board of Commissioners consider this damn matter to be closed.

3653
05:56:45,570 --> 05:56:48,630
Is there a thing? And that is my motion. Thank you, Madam. Is there a second?

3654
05:56:49,350 --> 05:56:53,590
Second motion on a second commissioner, Terry, you requested to speak, you're all the full.

3655
05:56:54,410 --> 05:56:59,270
Thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to acknowledge something that we had discussed in a previous

3656
05:56:59,270 --> 05:57:07,710
public meeting about the fact that there is no rule in our current procurement policies

3657
05:57:08,390 --> 05:57:13,310
to create a permanent disbarment for vendors or contractors and you went to a business

3658
05:57:13,310 --> 05:57:13,750
of the county.

3659
05:57:13,810 --> 05:57:18,890
It's just one to acknowledge that that does not exist in our code now.

3660
05:57:19,430 --> 05:57:24,730
I don't think it ever could exist as a permanent disbarment, but just want to make sure

3661
05:57:24,730 --> 05:57:31,790
the record states and everyone understands that the request that we did receive is currently

3662
05:57:31,790 --> 05:57:34,650
not an option under our current procurement policies.

3663
05:57:35,510 --> 05:57:38,550
Are you your commissioner? Commissioner Patrick?

3664
05:57:39,210 --> 05:57:44,470
I just wanted to acknowledge Commissioner Terry for his statement and that we are on the same line of thinking.

3665
05:57:44,470 --> 05:57:46,550
I'd like to appreciate it.

3666
05:57:46,690 --> 05:57:48,550
Anyone else requesting to speak?

3667
05:57:48,930 --> 05:57:52,250
Seeing no other request to speak, please open the machine for a vote.

3668
05:57:59,910 --> 05:58:01,430
That motion to deny passes.

3669
05:58:05,540 --> 05:58:07,880
And we'll well know there's one abstention on one request.

3670
05:58:10,100 --> 05:58:10,980
Thank you.

3671
05:58:11,120 --> 05:58:12,840
If someone will get the presiding officer,

3672
05:58:12,900 --> 05:58:13,960
I will pass the Galilee.

3673
05:58:15,600 --> 05:58:15,860
Okay.

3674
05:58:16,120 --> 05:58:17,180
She's going to the bathroom.

3675
05:58:17,500 --> 05:58:17,580
Next.

3676
05:58:17,680 --> 05:58:18,380
May I take it to you?

3677
05:58:18,420 --> 05:58:19,200
You want me to keep going?

3678
05:58:19,340 --> 05:58:19,840
What do you want to do?

3679
05:58:20,000 --> 05:58:21,100
All right.

3680
05:58:21,100 --> 05:58:29,560
You're going to, on page 2025, for those that are following along, agenda item 2025-1513.

3681
05:58:30,660 --> 05:58:39,460
All commission districts are FEP, request for proposal number 2024-10007 for temporary personnel

3682
05:58:39,460 --> 05:58:40,100
services.

3683
05:58:40,520 --> 05:58:46,060
Before years multi-year contract for use by all the cab county departments through the Department

3684
05:58:46,060 --> 05:58:53,560
who resources in merit system consist of provision of part-time and full-time temporary personnel

3685
05:58:53,560 --> 05:59:01,040
positions for the cab county is needed to recommend it to highest and scoring proposers

3686
05:59:01,040 --> 05:59:07,920
who are responsive and responsible to affect the ink, open work, LLC and 20 second-century

3687
05:59:07,920 --> 05:59:12,240
technologies who are not not to exceed $30 million.

3688
05:59:14,610 --> 05:59:22,310
This item out of Erbs Committee was recommended for approval of the substitute, and I do have a comment.

3689
05:59:24,420 --> 05:59:35,440
I have a substitute that was provided to us, and the substitute to assume changes is to 24 million opposed to 30 million dollars.

3690
05:59:35,500 --> 05:59:39,440
Is there any other changes that anyone else is aware of?

3691
05:59:39,440 --> 05:59:45,780
All right, seeing none, we have a motion to approve the substitute, moved by Commissioner

3692
05:59:45,780 --> 05:59:52,260
Bulton, seconded by Commissioner Johnson, any questions, Commissioner Bulton?

3693
05:59:52,900 --> 05:59:58,940
Yes, so that was the motion out the Earth committee, the motion was to recommend approval.

3694
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:07,480
I do want to share with our committee members. I would like to request a deferral, because I've

3695
06:00:07,480 --> 06:00:13,920
been in communication with the procurement department and some others. We've been going back

3696
06:00:13,920 --> 06:00:19,660
and forth and having conversation, but through neither party it never was clearly communicated

3697
06:00:19,660 --> 06:00:25,240
that the concern was with this specifically. And there are some questions that have come up.

3698
06:00:25,240 --> 06:00:31,520
We've got a recent email from you guys with additional information when it comes to scoring.

3699
06:00:31,820 --> 06:00:37,500
So I would like an opportunity to ask those questions in committee because through email,

3700
06:00:38,760 --> 06:00:44,960
I'll say again, it just got kind of convoluted what the communication was specifically referring to.

3701
06:00:45,180 --> 06:00:48,680
So that changes some of the context of what we voted on.

3702
06:00:49,300 --> 06:00:52,700
So I would like, if it's okay with our committee members,

3703
06:00:52,700 --> 06:00:55,220
because we did already recommend approval.

3704
06:00:56,260 --> 06:01:03,020
I would like to change that motion to a two-week deferral for the January 27th meeting

3705
06:01:03,020 --> 06:01:04,420
with the stop and herbs.

3706
06:01:05,220 --> 06:01:05,260
Thanks.

3707
06:01:06,400 --> 06:01:06,600
Okay.

3708
06:01:06,700 --> 06:01:10,920
Thank you so much, Commissioner Johnson's second stand, Commissioner Davis Johnson.

3709
06:01:15,400 --> 06:01:27,880
Does the questions raise a fact the amount 24 million or is that a separate issue?

3710
06:01:29,780 --> 06:01:35,180
It does not impact the amount, but it could impact the most responsive and responsible

3711
06:01:35,180 --> 06:01:41,820
parties, which have been identified in this item as trifactor, open work, and 20-second

3712
06:01:41,820 --> 06:01:53,100
century technologies. Yes, the scoring. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, they have money, man,

3713
06:01:53,540 --> 06:02:00,000
to provide. Yeah, we approved an extension through March. So we actually have through that time.

3714
06:02:00,020 --> 06:02:06,240
Okay, I'm good. I'm not going to take that long, but we haven't until March. I'm good. Thank you so much

3715
06:02:06,240 --> 06:02:09,300
commissioner, Davis Johnson. Anyone else requesting to speak?

3716
06:02:14,260 --> 06:02:15,600
Kind of point of clarification,

3717
06:02:15,600 --> 06:02:21,060
can we just make sure we know what we're voting on because the machine still says move to

3718
06:02:21,060 --> 06:02:24,040
approve the substitute but I think she requested it two week deferral.

3719
06:02:26,380 --> 06:02:32,260
Thank you. They just updated it. All right, so we have the motion to defer for two weeks

3720
06:02:32,260 --> 06:02:35,680
and seeing no other request to speak and we open up the machine's fair about.

3721
06:02:35,740 --> 06:02:37,040
That's going to be finished. We're December

3722
06:02:40,240 --> 06:02:48,320
27th, January 27th.

3723
06:02:49,460 --> 06:02:52,380
That motion is past two weeks.

3724
06:02:52,860 --> 06:02:55,540
The gap will back over.

3725
06:02:58,100 --> 06:03:00,560
We're now at the bottom of page 25.

3726
06:03:01,360 --> 06:03:03,800
We only have a few items left.

3727
06:03:04,120 --> 06:03:04,620
Yeah, who?

3728
06:03:05,320 --> 06:03:09,020
Item 2025-1711, all commission districts,

3729
06:03:09,900 --> 06:03:13,900
Parts and service for vehicles and off-road equipment for use by fleet management,

3730
06:03:14,240 --> 06:03:16,080
fire rescue and watershed management.

3731
06:03:16,080 --> 06:03:20,520
consists of the provision of various types of auto parts needed for maintenance repair services,

3732
06:03:20,640 --> 06:03:26,380
various vehicles, and equipment, reserves the right to transfer funds between contract,

3733
06:03:26,400 --> 06:03:30,280
recommend award to 32 lowest responsive and responsible bidders.

3734
06:03:30,280 --> 06:03:35,140
It says, please see list below, so I'm assuming that's in the agenda item, amount not to exceed

3735
06:03:35,140 --> 06:03:38,640
8,465,000, do we have a motion?

3736
06:03:40,180 --> 06:03:41,840
This is an ops item, Madam Chair.

3737
06:03:41,840 --> 06:03:54,620
Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, this item has come out of audit and it came out approved and so I'm

3738
06:03:54,620 --> 06:04:01,600
making a motion that 25, 17, 11, be approved as approved in the Ops Committee.

3739
06:04:02,020 --> 06:04:03,380
Please hit the button for me?

3740
06:04:03,540 --> 06:04:03,740
No.

3741
06:04:06,860 --> 06:04:07,980
Do we have a second?

3742
06:04:08,780 --> 06:04:09,900
Thank you, Commissioner Bolton.

3743
06:04:10,080 --> 06:04:12,420
Seeing no request to speak up in the machines for about

3744
06:04:15,260 --> 06:04:16,680
motion passes.

3745
06:04:16,680 --> 06:04:26,460
Now, at the top of page 26, we're final two items, 1265, invitation, 25, 1,0070,

3746
06:04:26,920 --> 06:04:30,520
consent degree, ongoing sewer condition assessment and rehabilitation,

3747
06:04:31,720 --> 06:04:35,620
Department of Watershed Management, Consistent Performing Consent Decree,

3748
06:04:35,740 --> 06:04:39,840
assignments along with meeting the urgent needs that arise from operational events

3749
06:04:39,840 --> 06:04:44,080
of the sewer system, warded to the lowest responsive and responsible

3750
06:04:44,080 --> 06:04:52,980
bidder, can we construction company and Southeast PAP survive survey, amount not to exceed $49,752,501.

3751
06:04:53,280 --> 06:04:54,120
Do we have a motion?

3752
06:04:54,760 --> 06:04:55,940
Thank you, Madam Presiding Officer.

3753
06:04:56,460 --> 06:04:59,340
We're actually still waiting for Mr. Lavowaw Campbell's audit review.

3754
06:04:59,840 --> 06:05:04,900
And so, based on the recommendation of PWI, this is a motion to defer to the January 27,

3755
06:05:06,560 --> 06:05:07,280
P-WI.

3756
06:05:07,420 --> 06:05:10,080
Excuse me, B-O-C with a prior stop at P-WI.

3757
06:05:10,360 --> 06:05:11,680
That'll be next Tuesday's P-WI.

3758
06:05:11,680 --> 06:05:13,720
to have a second.

3759
06:05:14,380 --> 06:05:15,480
Thank you, Commissioner Messiah.

3760
06:05:15,740 --> 06:05:16,620
Seeing no request to speak.

3761
06:05:16,720 --> 06:05:18,320
Please up in the machines for a vote.

3762
06:05:23,030 --> 06:05:25,110
That deferral does pass.

3763
06:05:25,710 --> 06:05:30,490
Now, we're on to our final item before we loop back to one that was tabled.

3764
06:05:30,890 --> 06:05:33,010
2025-1550.

3765
06:05:33,430 --> 06:05:37,490
We have just been provided a substitute for this item.

3766
06:05:38,470 --> 06:05:43,230
This is Elmig Road Receterficing projects for use by roads and drainage.

3767
06:05:43,230 --> 06:05:48,390
consistent resurfacing county road, recommend award to the lowest responsive and responsible

3768
06:05:48,390 --> 06:05:49,250
bidder.

3769
06:05:49,350 --> 06:05:58,410
Triple are paving and construction amount not to exceed $16 million, $441,457 and 68 cents.

3770
06:05:58,410 --> 06:06:02,870
Again, we were provided a substitute, if someone could please come to the podium and explain

3771
06:06:02,870 --> 06:06:04,250
the nature of that substitute.

3772
06:06:05,430 --> 06:06:08,370
Madam President Officer, I'd like to make a motion based on the recommendation of

3773
06:06:08,370 --> 06:06:18,510
P.W.I. to approve a substitute for agenda item 2025-1550, the original dollar amount was

3774
06:06:18,510 --> 06:06:26,490
15,858,955 dollars and 68 cents, and the revision is 16,404.

3775
06:06:26,490 --> 06:06:27,550
The opposite, sir.

3776
06:06:28,090 --> 06:06:29,810
It started at 16 million.

3777
06:06:29,990 --> 06:06:31,070
Thank you for that rationale.

3778
06:06:31,310 --> 06:06:31,610
Thank you.

3779
06:06:32,190 --> 06:06:34,190
Mr.Pay, so everybody can hear.

3780
06:06:34,510 --> 06:06:34,530
Yeah.

3781
06:06:34,530 --> 06:06:42,670
The revised dollar amount, well, the original dollar amount was $16,441,457,68 cents.

3782
06:06:43,090 --> 06:06:55,030
The newly revised downward dollar amount is $15,558,588,588,588, and as my colleague noted

3783
06:06:55,030 --> 06:06:57,390
in committee, they kept the 68 cents.

3784
06:06:57,570 --> 06:06:58,290
So I don't know how they did that.

3785
06:06:58,290 --> 06:06:58,730
That's yours.

3786
06:07:00,250 --> 06:07:03,270
All righty, thank you for explaining the substitute.

3787
06:07:03,270 --> 06:07:07,530
you'll hit the button. Thank you. Seconded by Commissioner Johnson, seeing no

3788
06:07:07,530 --> 06:07:10,190
requests to speak. Please open the machines for vote.

3789
06:07:20,520 --> 06:07:20,960
Thank you, Sarah.

3790
06:07:21,120 --> 06:07:29,920
All righty. That motion does pass. Now folks, we are on our final item of the day.

3791
06:07:30,160 --> 06:07:35,960
This item was tabled along with several other this meeting. Let me go ahead and

3792
06:07:35,960 --> 06:07:49,120
I found it out again 1233, a resolution asking for the DeCab County Police Department to develop a diversion policy regarding unhoused individuals that considers other options to arresting and jailing them.

3793
06:07:49,420 --> 06:07:56,460
A substitute has been provided Commissioner Patrick or is there someone that can speak to the substitute that was distributed?

3794
06:07:57,420 --> 06:07:59,880
Madam President Officer, believe Chief Patrick.

3795
06:08:00,280 --> 06:08:01,060
Thank you, Chief Patrick.

3796
06:08:04,320 --> 06:08:06,340
Good afternoon again, commissioners.

3797
06:08:06,340 --> 06:08:22,120
And I hope that each of you have a copy of this substitute at this time, and then just to kind of restate what I said earlier, this is a substitute for the joint policy statement on effective coordinated and compassionate response to homelessness.

3798
06:08:23,120 --> 06:08:35,500
We believe that we have captured the intent of the original resolution in this policy statement with the accompanying guiding pillars, which the department is already fully involved in and

3799
06:08:36,420 --> 06:08:39,960
something that we do day in and day out through our community policing and through our

3800
06:08:39,960 --> 06:08:44,180
department as a whole in partnership with community development and other partners throughout

3801
06:08:44,180 --> 06:08:44,780
the county.

3802
06:08:46,650 --> 06:08:47,590
Thank you, sir.

3803
06:08:48,250 --> 06:08:48,330
All right.

3804
06:08:48,530 --> 06:08:53,790
Do we actually had the motion to take it off the table, y'all forgive me?

3805
06:08:54,310 --> 06:08:56,250
Did we vote on the motion to take it off the table?

3806
06:08:56,970 --> 06:08:57,170
Okay.

3807
06:08:57,730 --> 06:08:59,530
So let's commissioner Bolton made the motion.

3808
06:08:59,750 --> 06:09:03,390
It was seconded by commissioner Davis Johnson, opened the machines to take it off the

3809
06:09:03,390 --> 06:09:11,870
table. Or this has been a long video. Okay, Chief Patrick, thank you so much for providing

3810
06:09:11,870 --> 06:09:17,490
a rationale for the substitute. Do we have a motion for the sub?

3811
06:09:18,250 --> 06:09:25,330
The motion out of committee was to approve the substitute, but I do want to defer to Commissioner

3812
06:09:25,330 --> 06:09:29,750
Patrick since. This is your first time having an opportunity to look over the item.

3813
06:09:29,750 --> 06:09:33,790
If you'll give me two seconds to speed read, I will get you a second.

3814
06:09:35,090 --> 06:09:35,570
Okay.

3815
06:09:37,390 --> 06:09:40,430
If you can make the motion and hit the button for me, somebody will.

3816
06:09:40,810 --> 06:09:41,410
There you go.

3817
06:09:42,230 --> 06:09:44,770
All right, Commissioner Bolton made the motion.

3818
06:09:44,890 --> 06:09:46,830
Commissioner Johnson seconded.

3819
06:09:47,130 --> 06:09:49,450
We do have two commissioners requesting to speak.

3820
06:09:49,630 --> 06:09:50,790
I'll loop back to you.

3821
06:09:51,250 --> 06:09:51,770
Commissioner Patrick.

3822
06:09:51,950 --> 06:09:53,490
Commissioner Davis Johnson, you have the floor.

3823
06:09:54,430 --> 06:09:54,610
No.

3824
06:09:55,470 --> 06:09:57,630
Okay, can you hit your withdrawal please?

3825
06:09:57,670 --> 06:09:58,130
Okay.

3826
06:09:58,130 --> 06:09:59,490
I have it.

3827
06:09:59,730 --> 06:09:59,750
Okay.

3828
06:10:00,330 --> 06:10:01,590
She's decided to speak.

3829
06:10:01,710 --> 06:10:02,310
Go ahead and do that.

3830
06:10:02,410 --> 06:10:03,170
I'm going to be sure.

3831
06:10:03,750 --> 06:10:13,430
But thank you, Chief, for your attenive attention to this and I think there's something

3832
06:10:14,390 --> 06:10:18,410
that we can all hopefully embrace.

3833
06:10:18,770 --> 06:10:27,210
I know that I do and so I think that that's pretty much good of my dear.

3834
06:10:27,270 --> 06:10:27,830
Thank you.

3835
06:10:28,810 --> 06:10:31,590
All right, Commissioner Terry, you have the floor.

3836
06:10:32,190 --> 06:10:33,210
Yes, thank you, Madam Chair.

3837
06:10:33,330 --> 06:10:39,490
And we were planning to discuss with the Sheriff's Office and CSBHFab this afternoon.

3838
06:10:41,870 --> 06:10:45,930
The, an essence sort of the, the manifestation of how we actually created a diverse

3839
06:10:45,930 --> 06:10:51,930
program, because I do support what Commissioner Patrick and the original resolution back

3840
06:10:51,930 --> 06:10:56,790
two years ago we introduced it, it was really about the fact that the Supreme Court basically

3841
06:10:56,790 --> 06:11:01,410
said cities can criminalize homelessness and Commissioner Patrick thank you having a heart

3842
06:11:01,410 --> 06:11:06,790
said well that's fine you know they other cities and counties can do what they want

3843
06:11:06,790 --> 06:11:13,210
into Cap County we don't want to criminalize homelessness and so the resolution is you know

3844
06:11:13,210 --> 06:11:21,030
was going in that direction to state that policy you know what we have before us you know like

3845
06:11:21,030 --> 06:11:31,610
It's fine, it's a guiding pillars, but the fact remains that a decab police pick up someone

3846
06:11:32,330 --> 06:11:39,390
for a criminal trespass because they're homeless and there's no other place to take them.

3847
06:11:39,390 --> 06:11:41,150
They will take them to the jail.

3848
06:11:43,670 --> 06:11:49,390
And this is not the decab police have their hands tied in a way because they can only take

3849
06:11:49,390 --> 06:11:50,850
We can't hold into someone, right?

3850
06:11:50,850 --> 06:11:54,590
It's either going to be the Sheriff's Office through the Cap County, the Crisis Center at

3851
06:11:54,590 --> 06:11:57,250
Claire-Tell, or the State Hospital.

3852
06:11:58,490 --> 06:12:02,170
During this discussion, we did ask the Sheriff's Office to provide some statistics.

3853
06:12:02,990 --> 06:12:07,230
So the number of Mr. Meiner arrest in 2024, and we'll get the updates of 2025, but we can.

3854
06:12:07,610 --> 06:12:14,490
13,672 misdemeanors came through the the Cap County Jail, 6500, almost half came through

3855
06:12:14,490 --> 06:12:15,710
the Cap County Police Department.

3856
06:12:15,710 --> 06:12:21,010
And at the time of this email, the current homeless population in homeless populations in 2024

3857
06:12:21,010 --> 06:12:24,490
approximately were 200, according to the data entries.

3858
06:12:24,710 --> 06:12:30,110
A 200 individuals were in the jail, basically because they were homeless, average length

3859
06:12:30,110 --> 06:12:33,090
of stay, 331 days.

3860
06:12:34,330 --> 06:12:36,010
What do you think costs more?

3861
06:12:37,030 --> 06:12:43,010
Funding shelters, crisis centers, diversion programs are paying for someone to be in jail

3862
06:12:43,010 --> 06:12:44,510
when they really shouldn't be in jail.

3863
06:12:47,550 --> 06:12:53,630
Spoiler alert, it costs more to incarcerate someone and to treat them and to provide diverse

3864
06:12:53,630 --> 06:13:00,550
programs, 74 actually they're pending competency evaluations. So we have the backlog and just

3865
06:13:00,550 --> 06:13:06,130
evaluating competency and then 12 were actually waiting crisis or stabilization bits.

3866
06:13:06,190 --> 06:13:16,870
Now that's at the time, so these numbers fluctuate. So what I'd like us to do after we

3867
06:13:16,870 --> 06:13:25,550
believe we were the cap police, we're already doing what they can do. And all too often,

3868
06:13:26,170 --> 06:13:32,710
we ask police officers to deal with all the problems of society, but we don't give them the

3869
06:13:32,710 --> 06:13:39,870
tools and the resources to effectively address it. So this resolution, this policy statement,

3870
06:13:40,170 --> 06:13:46,610
is great, but at the end of the day, if the cap police don't have an option to take someone to

3871
06:13:46,610 --> 06:13:51,890
The diversion center, nothing changes, nothing changes.

3872
06:13:54,030 --> 06:14:00,990
What I proposed at the FAB committee and what we've discussed with CEO Williams is understanding

3873
06:14:00,990 --> 06:14:05,590
that we're not going to necessarily get the full money that we're looking for from the state

3874
06:14:05,590 --> 06:14:12,730
for a new crisis center, but it doesn't mean that we can't pivot to what other jurisdictions

3875
06:14:12,730 --> 06:14:19,430
Houston comes to mind because we saw how their system worked, a diversion center, crisis center hybrid.

3876
06:14:20,370 --> 06:14:25,790
It allows for there to be basically an intermediary for the police to take someone somewhere

3877
06:14:25,790 --> 06:14:33,090
that has level of security, level of competency, and support services, but it's not the jail.

3878
06:14:34,110 --> 06:14:35,730
That's the important part, it's not the jail.

3879
06:14:36,970 --> 06:14:45,350
And we're going to have another discussion in FAB about the fact that folks broke out of the jail over the holidays and there were issues around that.

3880
06:14:45,350 --> 06:14:46,410
We're going to talk about that.

3881
06:14:47,350 --> 06:14:54,590
But I fundamentally believe that if someone does not need to be in jail because it's just not the right treatment paradigm.

3882
06:14:54,750 --> 06:14:55,950
It's not the right environment.

3883
06:14:57,050 --> 06:14:59,490
Because it perpetuates the incarceration system.

3884
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:05,780
Then we should create a system that actually sends them to the right location, the right services.

3885
06:15:07,300 --> 06:15:15,000
So let's keep our eye on the ball here. If we pass this policy, I mean, we're saying what we believe in,

3886
06:15:16,040 --> 06:15:28,640
but until we create a true diversion program, until we address the crisis stabilization system, individuals will be arrested and they will go to jail

3887
06:15:28,640 --> 06:15:35,640
And they will stay in that jail for weeks and months and months and we will all be paying for it.

3888
06:15:36,480 --> 06:15:41,260
And I would submit that that money is better used on diversion and treatment.

3889
06:15:42,620 --> 06:15:52,480
And preserving the capacity of the sheriff's office to ensure that the violent criminals are being watched and observed.

3890
06:15:52,480 --> 06:15:59,600
And that the infrastructure around those parts of the jail have the attention they need.

3891
06:16:00,220 --> 06:16:02,120
So, commissioners, let's continue this conversation.

3892
06:16:02,620 --> 06:16:06,540
We'll do it in fab, certainly hopefully we've been doing herbs as well, because there's interface there.

3893
06:16:08,000 --> 06:16:11,760
And I think that we can, again, thank you, commissioner Patrick, for bringing this forward.

3894
06:16:11,940 --> 06:16:19,600
We have to take a stand and we have to create that pipeline, just the treat and support individuals outside of the incarcerated system.

3895
06:16:19,860 --> 06:16:21,340
Thank you.

3896
06:16:21,340 --> 06:16:25,800
Thank you very much. Commissioner Patrick has requested to speak and you have the floor there.

3897
06:16:26,040 --> 06:16:30,180
Thank you, Madam President. Officer Commissioner Terry is always your good words. I appreciate what you said.

3898
06:16:30,240 --> 06:16:34,840
Under percent agree, jail does not help people with mental health issues.

3899
06:16:35,540 --> 06:16:42,540
We do need to have another program or process in place to address and to handle people that are in those situations.

3900
06:16:45,290 --> 06:16:51,950
This policy statement was put forward and I appreciate the concepts, the six pillars that were

3901
06:16:51,950 --> 06:16:59,070
in here and so thank you very much, Chief, I appreciate that and with that, those are my comments.

3902
06:17:00,090 --> 06:17:02,870
Thank you very much, Commissioner Messiah, you have a floor.

3903
06:17:03,070 --> 06:17:04,670
Thank you so much, Madame Peo.

3904
06:17:05,090 --> 06:17:13,830
The other thing I'd like for us to consider as removing for it with this is that there are

3905
06:17:13,830 --> 06:17:23,070
that are vagrants and unhoused is different than folks that are committing vacancy, which that

3906
06:17:23,070 --> 06:17:31,070
is and could be an arrestable offense. So I just want to make sure as we're putting policies

3907
06:17:31,070 --> 06:17:40,270
in place and we're putting expectations on our Decab PD that we make sure that things are clear

3908
06:17:40,270 --> 06:17:44,680
because what we don't want to do is tie their hands from them feeling as though they can, you know,

3909
06:17:45,570 --> 06:17:49,850
as effectively do their job because they have to think twice based on something we're setting

3910
06:17:49,850 --> 06:17:56,830
forth without making sure we make things abundantly clear and vagrants. Again, to the extent we

3911
06:17:56,830 --> 06:18:03,910
we need to provide that specific definition, you know, in this agenda item, I think it may be helpful

3912
06:18:03,910 --> 06:18:11,590
But certainly talk with Chief regarding, you know, what we may be able to add and what

3913
06:18:11,590 --> 06:18:16,590
may be able to be of assistance in carrying this out so it doesn't create any conflicts

3914
06:18:16,590 --> 06:18:21,590
or additional challenges for our decay of finance that I go back to you, Manpio.

3915
06:18:22,850 --> 06:18:26,790
All right, seeing no other request to speak, please open the machine for a vote.

3916
06:18:38,210 --> 06:18:41,310
Yes, in Clark's, if you would correct the screen for us as well.

3917
06:18:41,310 --> 06:18:43,690
Do we need to clarify such substitutes?

3918
06:18:44,490 --> 06:18:45,310
Go ahead and repeat.

3919
06:18:45,590 --> 06:18:46,930
Whoever who moved.

3920
06:18:47,270 --> 06:18:47,790
Thank you, commissioner.

3921
06:18:47,990 --> 06:18:49,210
Go ahead and repeat it for me.

3922
06:18:49,490 --> 06:18:55,350
On behalf of the IRPs committee, I move to approve the substitute for item 1, 2, 33.

3923
06:18:56,530 --> 06:18:57,130
All right.

3924
06:18:57,650 --> 06:18:59,010
Second stands, I presume.

3925
06:19:00,050 --> 06:19:00,870
Machines are open.

3926
06:19:03,480 --> 06:19:03,840
All right.

3927
06:19:04,160 --> 06:19:06,400
That is that motion passes.

3928
06:19:07,120 --> 06:19:07,980
That's substitute.

3929
06:19:08,540 --> 06:19:11,840
And that is our final item on the agenda today.

3930
06:19:11,840 --> 06:19:18,060
time. Very grateful we made it through the agenda. Before I ask for a motion to adjourn,

3931
06:19:18,400 --> 06:19:25,460
I just wanted to shout out that per the PECS chair, PECS has been canceled today. I did

3932
06:19:25,460 --> 06:19:29,400
see that a cancellation notice went out for FABs. If y'all please make sure a cancellation

3933
06:19:29,400 --> 06:19:35,300
goes out for PECS as well. And again, I very much enjoyed being your presiding officer.

3934
06:19:39,700 --> 06:19:40,260
I'm

3935
06:19:40,260 --> 06:19:43,880
five, six, seven, eight, nine hour meetings to commissioner Johnson.

3936
06:19:46,320 --> 06:19:46,600
All right.

3937
06:19:46,880 --> 06:19:50,660
So without further ado, do we have a motion?

3938
06:19:50,900 --> 06:19:51,360
Thank you.

3939
06:19:53,300 --> 06:19:54,320
All in favor, Rich Anne.

3940
06:19:54,940 --> 06:19:55,180
All right.

3941
06:19:55,520 --> 06:19:56,320
Thank you all so much.

3942
06:19:56,360 --> 06:19:57,140
Have a great day.

3943
06:19:57,300 --> 06:20:00,060
And please stay warm.

3944
06:20:00,440 --> 06:20:00,820
Bye-bye.

3945
06:20:00,820 --> 06:20:02,780
It was your Patrick, I said tonight, you know.