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Butty, I'd like to call our regular City Council meeting Tuesday, September 8, in session, and I'd like to ask our City Clerk, please, to call roll. Councilmember Cork is running late. Councilmember Gasteland? Here? Deputy Mayor Spelich? Mayor Martinez? Here. All right. And we had no closed session today, so there'll be no report out on that. And I'd like you ask please to join me in the pledge of allegiance. I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

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And should the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all?

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All right, next I would ask Sarah if we have any public communications, each person wishing to speak in person or remotely.

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You need to let Sarah know and she'll tell you how to do that if you're accessing us remotely.

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If not, anything that's not on the agenda, you can fill out a speaker slip and give it to our city clerk.

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Sir, do you want to give directions to people who are remote?

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Yes, ma'am.

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For remote comments, speaker must indicate they wish to speak when the item they want to speak on is announced.

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And by using the raised hand feature or dialing star 9 if they're joining by their phone.

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When called upon, please unmute yourself by using the unmute button or dialing star 6 if you're on your phone and

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state your name and affiliation if applicable.

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and I'm seeing no speakers now mayor for non-agent items both remotely or in person.

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Let me know if that changes.

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Okay, all right.

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Any community announcements from many of our city council members?

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Okay, I have an announcement.

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Some sad news to share with the community.

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Louise Kayley and Pasdawian August 29th at age 95.

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She was a prominent Delmar resident known for her love for Delmar and her contributions to it.

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It was fitting that Louise Keeling chose to serve on the Village Character Committee of the Citizens Task Force that worked collectively to create our community plan.

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Louise had a clear insight into the Delmar's distinct character and culture.

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Until Louise Delmar was worth significant investment in time and talent to preserve its character.

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Louise also was the glue that held her remarkable family together. Her husband, Dave, was

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our community plan chair and world-class scientist, and they had five children who have had

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distinctive careers and made a positive mark on the world. Louise legacy in Del Mar

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is her success, an example, in defining and protecting what Del Mar is at its core.

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Our life represents a challenge for all of us to continue that work.

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And as we can, and we can aspire to match her example of life, of a life well-lived in

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service to her family and community.

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This is a sad end of a chapter in Delmar.

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Dave and Louise legacy lives on through their children as well as our community plan and

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other contributions they made to Delmar and beyond.

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Our heartfelt condolences to Louise's family.

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And

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now we'll move on to presentations, and we have one of the most important presentations I've been part of since today.

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Matt's more important than you, but I'll let you go first, so thank you.

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If it makes anybody feel better, my report out is relevant to both Matt's departure as well as our fire presentation.

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I'm introducing two new employees.

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Great. So I'll do that ahead of our fair well. I'm trying to keep that. I'm trying to push that out as long as I get the end of the meeting, make it the next meeting.

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Yeah, exactly. Stop smiling, Matt.

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Yeah, all right, with that. So after two and a half years of construction, I'm very pleased to report that the Delmar Bluffs 5 Stabilization Project is substantially complete.

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as of August 31st was ahead of the Sandag Schedule,

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their original schedule that gave us.

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Crews are finishing final punch list items,

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so residents will continue to see some activity out there,

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but there will be reduced equipment and fewer workers

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at the street ends and along the bluffs and the beach

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in the coming weeks.

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And I'm sure you've all noticed

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that the temporary construction fencing has come down.

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That's a huge improvement.

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The project now enters a one-year plant establishment period

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running through roughly August of next year.

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The temporary irrigation controllers and solar panels supporting the new

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plantings will stay in place through the establishment period and will be

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totally removed once that's complete. On behalf of the city I want to thank all

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of our residents for their patience and encouragement during this project.

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I know it was tough. We got through it and we're on the other side of it

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are almost done. Next I would like to introduce our new principal planner

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in the Planning Department. That's Kevin Parker. He will be replacing Matt and he's had an

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opportunity to work alongside Matt since early July, learning what we all know is the Delmar way.

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So that's been fantastic and Kevin's been a great addition to our team. He's fitting right in with

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everybody and we're really happy to have him. A little bit about Kevin. Kevin has a master's degree

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in city planning and 12 years of experience in municipal and coastal planning. Having worked for

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of the city of Poway, which I also came from, but we didn't have the opportunity to work together.

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Port of San Diego and the cities of Laguna Beach, Incinitas, and Santa Monica.

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Kevin also has an AICP and CEQA professional certifications.

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And with that, I'd like to invite Kevin to say a few words.

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Well, it's a pleasure to be here.

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And I got to be under the two lids of one of the best planners I've ever met with Mr.

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Betoer, and so it's been a real honor.

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I definitely goes without saying I worked hard to put myself in a position to be here in the past life

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I'm a ship captain and for the last 12 years I was able to transfer over into the city planning world where my true passion is

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Definitely have appreciation for the ocean and the city of Del Mar has that intrinsic value that I definitely have come to really appreciate

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Being born raised here in San Diego. This is a true honor to be here. Thank you Kevin

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all right

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Next up, I would like to invite our new Fire Marshal to come up,

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Meeting Maldonado.

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In mid July, Meeting Maldonado was hired as the Fire Marshal for the

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Cities of Delmar and Salonabeech.

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Meeting has extensive experience in wildfire mitigation, community

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risk reduction, fire investigation management, development review,

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public education, and fire code enforcement.

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Most recently, Meeting worked for the City of Vista, and previously

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for the cities of Carlsbad, Elkohon, and Hartland Fire Rescue.

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Additionally, meeting maintained private prevention systems and served as a certified ship board firefighter during her time with the US Navy.

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As the Fire Marshall Media will oversee fire prevention operations for both agencies.

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She will be overseeing the plan review and building permit review, managing inspections, investigations, and will be in charge of public outreach and education for the fire department.

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So welcome, Meeting.

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Thank you, Ashley, and Mayor, City Council members and residents of Delmar.

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It's an honor to be the Fire Marshal of this great establishment.

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Please tune in today, or this month is emergency preparedness month.

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And every Friday of this week, we will have a publication in the Delmar News letter.

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So please tune in to some preparedness information there.

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And this weekend we'll be at the Delmar Farmers Market

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from 10 or 12 o'clock to 4 p.m., sharing preparedness information with our farmers market.

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So thank you, it's been an honor and I look forward to continue to serve this great community and provide some outreach.

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Thank you, meaty.

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All right, that concludes my.

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All right, now we really are moving on again to the presentations and I have the distinct honor of providing a proclamation to Matt Vittor.

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I'm going to ask him to come forward,

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that really is so happy.

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Those of you that know me know I cry, so Madam, I'm going to try not to cry on this one.

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All right, so City of Delmar Proclamation, honoring Matt Petour's retirement in 29 years of service.

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Whereas Matt Petour joined the City of Delmar Planning Department in November of 1997 as a planning intern.

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And over the course of nearly three decade career, advanced through the ranks to principal planner,

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while demonstrating unparalleled dedication and leadership.

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Matt's vast knowledge of Delmar planning and building codes

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as well as zoning regulations made him invaluable asset

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to the planning and community development department

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and the city overall.

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Over a long career, Matt has been involved

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in nearly every development project in Delmar

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and in countless planning and zoning code updates.

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And among the projects, Matt is most proud to have accomplished

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or the Pacific Stra, Pacific Astratford 10 unit subdivision

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in residential development, restoration of an addition to

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the Canfield Wright House, which is listed on the U.S.

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National Register of Historical Places, two different

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developments, one commercial and one housing on the

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Watermark site, preparation and management of the citywide

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design guidelines and multi-unit residential objective

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design standards.

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and Matt has will be cemented into Delmar history as the city's tree guy who

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drafted the public tree policy manual, overhauled the tree ordinance, worked on

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countless trees, scenic views and sunlight known as TSVS applications, drafted

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the 2002 TSVS ordinance and spearheaded the 2025 comprehensive update to the

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TSVS code. And Matt received numerous accommodations over the years from

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residents and co-workers for his friendliness, positive attitude, professionalism, thoroughness,

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exceptional work ethic, that was even proclaimed the Zonians are within the planning department

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in 2002 for his strong familiarity and provisions of the Zoning Code.

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And that is known and appreciated for building great relationships with his colleagues, community

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committee residents and committee members over the years, serving as a staff liaison to

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the design review board and several other advisory committees.

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Something truly impressive about Matt is his incredible memory in encyclopedic recollection

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of all city projects throughout his tenure.

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Somehow he manages to know every resident and remembers the background of virtually every

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property.

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And outside his professional life, Matt shares a passion for outdoor activities such as

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camping, surfing, and snow sports.

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It's safe to say that Matt is perhaps even more proud of maintaining his surf career

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longer than his professional career as a city planner.

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And to keep the record clear, Matt has never, ever crossed the train tracks to surf in Delmar

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because he always follows the rules as a good planner does.

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And in addition to being an outstanding planner, Matt is known within the planning department

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and around City Hall for his creative Halloween costumes.

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His unmatched love for root beer floats, and single-handedly keeping Coke Zero in business.

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An in-retirement Matt plans to enjoy spending time with his wife Katie, his two sons Colin

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in Patrick, driving his camper van, spending time outdoors, surfing, and finally having enough

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time to clean out his garage and prepare dinners for his wife.

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And Matt serves and uses the city showers so frequently that after his retirement, he

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will be required to submit a formal 30 page application to the city requesting special

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permission to continue using the Beach Safety Center public showers after his morning

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surfing sessions.

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And while many around town are happy for Matt as he begins this new chapter of his retirement

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there will be a void in city hall.

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He will be greatly missed by all city staff and residents for his cheerfulness, incredible

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friendliness, famous DelMar 3-hour tour, and institutional knowledge he's so generously

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shared over the years. But most of all, Matt will be missed for his countless friendships

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and genuine relationships. He's built with everyone fortunate enough to have worked with him.

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Now, therefore, be adhered by proclaimed that DelMar City Council declared September 8,

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for his 29 years of dedicated service and significant contributions to the community and the city of Delmar and extends its heartfelt congratulations to Matt on his retirement.

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I can't sit at the staff table alone.

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Well, I don't have anything really prepared, because

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I was enjoying my first day of retirement so much.

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I procrasted a little bit, but I do want

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to thank the council. Thank you so much. This is such an honor. Very much appreciated. And

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in doing so, I also want to thank the current staff, the staff I've been working with every

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day for the, you know, for the, for the current period in past

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half because, you know, those are all really, those are a lot of

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nice accolades, but I never could have gotten to where I am to

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have that set about me without all the tutoring and mentoring

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that I had over over 20, almost 29 years. So it's been a pleasure

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in a privilege to work with all the staff members and all the councils, the past councils.

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And when I first started here at Delmar, I knew nothing about Delmar.

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I worked at the Fish Market and I thought it was in Delmar.

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So that goes to tell you right there that, you know, I quickly learned, you know, that

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Delmar is only roughly two square miles and it's not what I thought it was.

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I thought I'd came to Delmar a lot, but I never really did.

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I didn't serve in Delmar very much until I started working here.

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But I do, I've had great teachers, and I've tried to pass that on, and Delmar is such a special

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place.

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It will, you know, spend half my life.

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I just turned 60.

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I started here when I was 31, so almost half my life, and it will remain in my heart forever.

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And I will always treasure the last 30 years and the people I worked with and the people

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I've met and the people that I can start to be my friends and that I've met along the way.

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Okay, so thank you very much, this is more than anyone could really ask for.

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Thank you.

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We're going to miss you, who's going to explain TSPS to us from now on.

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We're going to miss you a lot.

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We have a couple public speakers for this item.

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The first speaker is Dwight Warden, followed by Amy Cheshire.

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And Amy will be representing Shirley Weiss who couldn't be here this evening.

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Mayor and council members, Dwight Warden, see view Avenue.

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It was about 30 years ago.

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I was no longer a city attorney, but I was special counsel for the city on certain projects

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so I happened to be in the old city hall and they brought in what I thought was a student intern this young guy

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with a big smile in his face and that was Matt Vator and I have worked with him ever since I worked with him as a council member and

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during those days and

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What I wanted to say about him is there is nobody with a better knowledge and understanding of our planning and zoning codes than Matt

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He's the go-to guy for everything large to small from the rules for setbacks on through lots

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If you happen to need to know what that is to rules for air conditioners and condos

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to macro projects and everything in between Matt was the guy that everybody on council and everybody on the staff

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Went to when they needed to understand the code and it makes me a little bit nervous that he's gonna leave who's gonna do that for us now

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new guy you got your work cut out for you and I and I hope wish you well

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Matt has shown time and time again his ability to understand and resolve problems in a cooperative and friendly way that wasn't always the case.

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Before Matt got here we had an incident where a guy showed up at City Hall with a rifle because he was angry at the planning department at the time.

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And at some other time I'll tell you the more details of that, but Matt had

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this Cheshire smile that he still has that he had this afternoon

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that he could disarm anybody, and he did that,

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and he also did training for planning commissioners and

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DRB members over the years that was really invaluable.

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And I like to think of Matt, he's one of those essential people that's

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worked in the engine room of our little city for 30 years.

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not visible to most people unless you happen to be in the engine room with him,

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but he kept our little engine going and has made our city work.

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And we will miss him.

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We owe him a very large debt of gratitude for his years of service.

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All of us can appreciate his contributions every time we look around town

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and see that good planning has occurred.

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If you see that, you are seeing Matt's work.

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Thank you, Matt, and I wish you nothing but good in the future.

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Next speaker is Amy Cheshire, filed by Sir Indy Tia.

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My name is Amy Cheshire.

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I'm going to read a letter written by Shirley Weiss, who could not be here today.

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Dear honorable Mayor Martinez and other distinguished members of the City Council and to all city residents, friends and neighbors, I'm a long time resident of Del Mar.

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Although I am visiting family out of state, this Tuesday, September 8th, and cannot personally attend the City Council meeting to speak.

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which I would have. I wish to make sure to publicly and earnestly thank Matt Vator for his wise and dedicated service to Delmar these city these 29 years.

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Among many, many other services Matt has helped draft shepherd and oversee implementation of the city's trees, scenic views and sunlight ordinance.

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This has been a very difficult task. The city's precious assets and overall beauty are addressed by this ordinance and there are many affected people.

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Prospectives on the topic have been heartfelt and passionate, Matt's calm, even handed and wise approach to proposing solutions and implementing planning commission and city council rulings have benefited all concerned about preserving Delmar's stunning gifts.

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It's trees, scenic view and sunlight and has greatly helped our city balance rights and obligations in this very important area.

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We all owe Matt a very big thank you for his extraordinary public service these many years.

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Matt, a personal note from Shirley, retirement is a total misnomer.

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You will be busier than ever, but we'll get to broaden your enjoyment and recreation activities.

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Very best wishes since Shirley, Shirley Weiss.

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Next speaker is Seren Dutia.

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Seren Dutia, 11th Street.

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Mayor Martinez and council members.

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years. I would like to acknowledge, based on my own experiences, a truly remarkable career

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and would like to express heartfelt thanks to Matt Petter, who has become the very heart

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and soul of our city. When we look back at your 29 years, and by the way, I have six more

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years of seniority over you, a few words immediately come to my mind. Professionalism,

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responsiveness, thoroughness, diligence, having interacted with you great many times over

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the years, I can state that no matter what the task or request, I made, you always handled

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it with sensitivity, patience, and level of care that is truly rare to find. But beyond

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your incredible work ethics, what we will miss most is your institutional memory, your

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smile, and pleasing personality. You haven't just served this community, Matt. You have truly

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blessed it. Thank you for your years of dedicated service and we wish you nothing but joy,

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relaxation, and happiness in your well-deserved retirement.

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I have no additional speaker slips for this item, Mayor.

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Can I speak? Go ahead.

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Uh-huh. Great. Matt, it's a real pleasure to hear all of these words about you.

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I know that they're true, and they're real, and I really got to know you for the very

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first time when I started on the DRB, and we sat there at that picnic table over in

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the North Commercial Temporary City Hall, and every month when I would go to get my plans

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because they were all paper and they were folded up and they were big, they were this big.

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I looked forward to sitting with you at that picnic table and talking about them

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and hearing your thinking. And what I realized was that you knew every inch of

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those four foot by four foot multi-page plans. You had really thought about it.

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And fast forwarding to now, you really have a legacy here in Delmar.

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You have made a true and real difference for the positive throughout Delmar, and the

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number of people whose lives you have touched is more than in the hundreds.

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It has to be in at least the 1,000 or 2,000.

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The fish market, Delmar, my husband worked there probably when you did.

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I'm really curious if you guys worked side by side there.

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and I only imagine that from those days to now and to what you're going to do in the future,

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your kindness, your quiet and tranquil approach, and your way of stating what is the most important

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thing to state at the moment will just continue to shine through. And I'll never forget when you

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told me. I think this was Ronah Thompson's house down on oceanfront that a scenic view is in the

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eye of the beholder that each person in the city has their own scenic view. And sometimes the

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scenic view can be a filtered view through trees. It might be a view of the mountains. It could be a

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view of the wall next door. If the person really likes that view, that's their scenic view. And what I

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I learned in those early days on the DRB is from you to put oneself in the mind of the

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person about whom you're thinking and you're making decisions.

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And you've taught me that, you've taught Del Mara that, and now you're going to go forth

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and tell the rest of the world these things.

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So thank you very much.

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We're going to miss you.

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Deputy Mayor Spelich.

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A lot of good things have been said that I probably could repeat, but I'll just keep it short.

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All I'm going to say is for anybody out there who likes what they see in Delmar, just realize that Matt's a big reason why it looks the way it does and why we've always been careful as a group to protect what we know is special and what we have.

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So on behalf of the 3,900 residents of the city of Delmar, thank you so much.

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We were lucky to have you.

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Thank you.

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And I'll just finish Matt by telling you that was the longest proclamation I've ever had to read.

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And the reason is because everybody wanted to capture everything that you mean to this city, and I think it captured it really well.

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Well deserved, we are going to miss you, the city is going to miss you, residents are going to miss you, but I wish you nothing but happiness, you deserve it.

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And please come back on Halloween because I missed those costumes, so I'm going to be looking for them later.

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So my happiness to you and to your family, congratulations.

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Okay, all right, so I have an announcement, the Delmar Fire Department presentation will be delayed just a bit.

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We've moved the calendar around a little bit, so we're going to next move on to the consent calendar, and so I will ask our city clerk to read the items on our consent calendar.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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The consent calendar is as follows.

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Item 3, approval of minutes, August 25th, 2026,

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regular and special meeting.

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Item 4, ratification of list of demands,

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dated September 8th, 2026.

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Item 5, waiver of reading of ordinances on agenda.

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Item 6, second reading and adoption of ordinances

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for implementation of the housing element programs 7F

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for A and 4B related to reasonable accommodation

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and special needs housing regulations,

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including residential care, supportive housing, transactional housing, low barrier,

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and negative navigation centers, emergency shelters, and adult and child day care services consistent with state law.

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Item 7, Task Order Amendment with NOVA Services Inc. for Jimmy Duranty Boulevard Bluff Stabilization Project.

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Item 8, Task Order Amendment with Utility Specialist Southwest Inc. for Stratford Court North 1B Utility Underground District.

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item 9, by annual review, and update of the Delmar conflict of interest code, and item 10,

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Lagoon Committee appointment, and that's to appoint Karen Lair for a full term.

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And that concludes the consent calendar.

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All right.

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Moved to approve the consent agenda, items 3 through 10, with the exception of item 10.

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I'm going to go first, I guess.

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Go ahead, seconded.

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I'm refused on item 10, so I believe so, but I'm going to second it, but let's just wait.

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Okay, so you are, you want to approve the whole consent agenda with the exception of I can't vote on item

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sick, I believe.

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You can't.

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So we're going to wait till vote on number six until Council Member Quirk arrives.

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Is that, you do not have to remove item six from the consent agenda, but you just need to record

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Deputy Mayor Svelich as not voting, as recused.

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However, if there are, we need to bring it back for a vote when Council Member Quirk arrives.

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Is that true?

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or you can do that as well.

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We need three. We need three. I think we do. We use your quorum without the without that vote.

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Okay. So I'd like to put item 11 open and close the public hearing onto the consent agenda.

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Okay. That's a date for by which the properties must receive underground service and the underground utility district.

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Okay.

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And item 12, the, oh, no, that's not, that's, that's an information, I'm sorry.

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So, 11.

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Okay.

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And we have a second.

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Okay.

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Seconded.

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Seconded.

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Adding 11.

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Okay.

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Sarah, can you call the vote, please?

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Council Member Gasteland?

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Yes.

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Deputy Mayor Spelich.

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Mayor Martinez.

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Yes.

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Motion passes with Council Member Cork absent.

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Okay.

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And then we'll, we'll bring back, oh, yeah.

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So, in back six.

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Yes.

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So I'm going to open the public hearing for item 11, resolution establishing the date by which properties must be ready to receive

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undergranting service and undergranting utility district X1A, Crescanyon, work zone 3.

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Do we have any public comment on that?

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No public speakers.

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All right, so I'll close that and now we can do the vote.

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I need to open and close public comment.

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Okay, Council Member Gasterland, yes, Deputy Mayor Spellig, Mayor Martinez.

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Yes, motion passes.

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Council Member Quarantine.

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Thank you and Sarah, let's keep the reminder that we'll bring back six for a vote when

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Council Member Quarantine arrives.

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Okay, very good.

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All right, now we will be moving on to other business, and next is an update on citywide preparedness

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for the 2026-2027 rainy season and forecasted Elmenial Conditions, and we will have that presentation by our Assistant City Manager, Clem Brown.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council. Tonight's presentation is an update on the city's preparations for the 2026-2027 rainy season.

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And you may have heard about it in the news that NOAA is forecasting what could be a significant Elmenial winter season.

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And so what I'm going to do with this presentation is walk through what our Public Works Community Services Department and Fire Department are going to be doing to prepare along with go over some resources that are available to our residents on what they can do to protect their property as well.

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So as I mentioned, NOAA is calling for a high probability of a significant El Nino this winter with sea surface temperatures that could exceed historical records.

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That means Southern California is in the region favored for above normal winter precipitation.

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Though the timing and the intensity of individual storms remains unpredictable this far out.

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However, Delmar is unique with our bluff's canyons and low-lying drainage.

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It makes us more vulnerable than most communities if one of these scenarios were to play out.

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So NOAA has, and I have this quote here, I attended a webinar today with NOAA on the

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El Nino Conditions, and I thought this quote was telling that it's a little bit hard

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to predict, but it sets a baseline high probability that there are likely to get some significant

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storms this year.

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And so, you know, there are caution that, you know, while El Nino raises the risk of close

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the flooding, damaging surf and severe weather, current forecast confidence isn't high enough

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to issue specific predictions without risking warning fatigue.

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However, as we move into the winter months, their models will get more accurate as we get closer

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to real storm events and their messaging will change and then the city will be reflecting

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that in our messaging and our preparations for any significant weather events.

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So first I'll cover what public works is doing.

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So public works has a long standing storm checklist that gets activated ahead of every major rain event.

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We've been doing this for years.

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Right now, what that means to be proactive and to be out ahead of it is that we're clearing our storm drains and

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enlets and channels citywide to make sure that we have capacity for drainage.

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We have 30 flood prone locations that we proactively deploy sandbags where we've had historical localized flooding and we will continue to do that.

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Residents can also pick up 10 self-filled bags at the public workshard with proof of redundancy.

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That's a longstanding program and service we've provided to this community and we will continue to provide.

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Staff also has chainsaws, portable pumps and our on-call tree contractor staged and ready for any down limbs.

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and they're checking the flapper valve, storm drain pumps, and the stormwater BMPs that the fairground deploys along Jimi

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to Rannie Boulevard to make sure those are all cleared and in place and ready in anticipation of a storm event.

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Community service in the fire departments.

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So our community services department is really our eyes and ears.

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They monitor the national weather service range forecasts and they coordinate on our sea wall barriers

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There's our sand push-ups and our street end barricades.

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Our life guards are highly trained.

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They complete swift water rescue training every year, and they up staff during heavy rain

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events or the anticipation of heavy rainfall events.

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The county also up staffs, swift water rescue teams, whenever there's a flood watch warning

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or atmospheric river forecast condition.

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There are two very important efforts worth noting.

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And that is community service and public works build seasonal sand berms along the beach every fall.

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We do that every year.

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And then periodically Southern California Edison schedules its routine inlet

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dredging of the San Miguel Loon lagoon and they actually have that plan for this November,

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which is very good timing.

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I'm going to cover both of those more at the end of my presentation.

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So I'll provide some more information on that kind of late breaking.

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So there are a lot of county and regional resources that are available to our residents.

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Alert San Diego, we've talked about that many times in presentation, public safety presentations,

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handles all of our emergency notifications throughout the county.

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And ready San Diego.org is the county's disaster preparedness portal where there is a host

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of information for residents on what they can do to prepare for any type of natural disaster,

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but including significant rain events and flooding.

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The county also runs a flood warning system

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with more than 100 rainfall and stream gauges.

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That data is all available to the public

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at sandiego.1rain.com

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plus there's no as weather radio.

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Residents can check their flood zone

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through the FEMA Flood Map Service Center

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and our 2-1-1 sandiego is available

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for disaster-related assistance.

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And I have the websites up here on this presentation.

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So what can our residents do?

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It's going to take a village, right?

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So I've gone over what the city is planning on doing.

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There are a few things that we're asking our residents to do on their own property,

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that they can get out ahead of this and prepare.

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And that's trim trees, or have an arborist look at anything older or damaged near structures

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or power lines, secure loose outdoor furniture, place sandbags when we're needed, clean gutters

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and downspelves to make sure water is directed away from the foundation of your building

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and check roof and window seals before the first storm hits. Again, it's important that everybody

436
00:38:00,540 --> 00:38:07,560
register for Alert San Diego and never drive or walk through flooded roads. I'm happy to report

437
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:14,560
that we have a new web page on our website related to the El Nino, so all of this information and links

438
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,400
to the county resources are posted on that new web page which I have on this slide.

439
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,240
So I mentioned it earlier, but I wanted to provide a little bit more information on our

440
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,820
sand-burning efforts because this has been talked about in the community.

441
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:32,920
So as I said, community service in public works, we build sand-birms along the beach every

442
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,300
fall to protect public access, infrastructure, and to limit coastal flooding.

443
00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:43,640
With work on this year, berms are starting in the next week, so we're already mobilizing

444
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,920
and starting to lay the groundwork for the building up of these berms.

445
00:38:48,980 --> 00:39:00,520
In contacting other coastal cities, this practice is consistent with how those other beach cities utilize strategic sand berms to maintain public access, limit flooding and provide public safety.

446
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:15,680
I also want to note that Delmar is in a very different position than during the major El Nino's that hit in the 80s and 90s, in that a lot more of our private property is protected by seawalls than historically.

447
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:28,920
We have barricade ready access points now, and we have the benefit of the restoration of the sand to get a loan to help better manage rainfall, storm surge, and tidal flow.

448
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,980
And then finally, I'm going to close with inlet dredging.

449
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,900
So this directly helps with flood mitigation.

450
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:42,580
So SE plans routine dredging at the lagoon inlet in early November.

451
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:53,300
So we just got this information late last week, clearing that sand build up and rerouting the RIVAL channel away from the RIP revetment will help protect homes on sandy lane.

452
00:39:53,540 --> 00:40:00,300
It keeps the inlet open so it can pass storm flows instead of backing up the lagoon and into the surrounding neighborhoods.

453
00:40:01,020 --> 00:40:04,540
Just to remind everybody that effort takes about two weeks.

454
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:14,300
SCE covers the cost under their mitigation, oops, smells is very sensitive,

455
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,140
sorry.

456
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,960
So yeah, it's a two-week effort and it's part of the $100 million restoration effort

457
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,140
that SCE has been working on for more than 20 years.

458
00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:38,600
Their permit allows them to dredge up to 20,000 cubic yards and place it as sand nourishment

459
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,640
on Del Mars beaches.

460
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:52,100
We expect to have a finalized plan in the next week or two and then we'll be providing future updates to the council and the public when we get more clarity on their efforts but it is scheduled for early November.

461
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,680
So with that and I have some photos here just to remind everybody what that operation looks like.

462
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,720
So with that concludes my presentation, happy to answer any questions you might have.

463
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:08,100
Thank you. That's a very helpful. Sarah, do we have any public comment?

464
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,340
No public speakers for the item there. Okay. Any questions from our councilmembers?

465
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:33,920
My name is Rick Cooley. I live at 1734 Ocean Front and it's been a minute since I've been

466
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:41,120
here since the old retreat days. But thank you for having me. I came to kind of listen

467
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:49,820
to what the city's plans were, and I appreciate his thoughts and so forth a

468
00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:55,020
little bit disappointed

469
00:41:55,020 --> 00:42:01,300
in him personally because it's what's done every year where it said we can get some free

470
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:09,260
sandbags, you know, trim your trees, clean your gutters, but this is anything but a normal year.

471
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:15,080
And he's right, Noah says this because I was on the webinar as well a week ago.

472
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:26,520
They say they can't be exact, but by the time they can be exact, they tell you it's

473
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,580
going to be too late to prepare.

474
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:34,300
And so let me go a few things of what they said.

475
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:45,290
To have an El Nino, I'm sure you can go through this as well, the temperature of the water

476
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:52,690
There has to be above one degree Celsius, above normal, and it's usually 1 to 1.5.

477
00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:59,810
They don't call it a super El Nino, but an extreme El Nino is 1.5 to 2.

478
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:08,950
The biggest recorded so far was 2.1 above, and that was when we had our flooding in 1982.

479
00:43:09,810 --> 00:43:12,490
They go back and they accord all the way to 1950.

480
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:21,380
50. They start their work and where they start saying their percentages of everything

481
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:27,460
not until August 15, because that's when they feel reasonably sure, not, I shouldn't

482
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:30,300
say that, they feel reasonable that they can put it out.

483
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:36,040
This, I think it was August 20,

484
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:43,540
if their water temperature was 4 degrees Celsius above, that's double the worst ever.

485
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,880
So these are a few things they have said.

486
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Noah

487
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:02,260
has recently stated that there is a 90% chance for an egg, they call it extreme,

488
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:11,880
not super, extreme elinium in San Diego and a 70% chance that will be the strongest in

489
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:18,980
in history of San Diego, 70% and that's since 1950.

490
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,400
That San Diego will receive double their amount of rainfall,

491
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:30,200
major ocean swells and large surf,

492
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:35,380
historic flooding from the ocean, not the rain.

493
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:40,120
There's another big organization that does it too,

494
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:44,260
which is the world, a meteorological organization

495
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:47,500
and they said it's going to be historic flooding this year as well for San Diego.

496
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,800
So I kind of ask everybody to get in front of this thing because if we don't get in front of it,

497
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,580
It's going to be too late. We can't burn enough or do enough, and as everybody saw, what happened to Long Beach, San Pedro today, or yesterday. And we're not even in it, or minor in it at this point in time.

498
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:29,500
I live in the beach colony. Mayor, please excuse the adoption of the speakers exhausted their time. You can have another minute. Okay. Thank you.

499
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,820
In the beach colony.

500
00:45:32,820 --> 00:45:40,180
as you all are aware there is approximately 400 homes and almost all of

501
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:46,480
those are below four to five feet below the houses on the beach. If the

502
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,660
water breaches some of those houses not just the ends of the city streets which

503
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:56,680
we do all the time and you do in front of the park which got a cliff but they go

504
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:02,320
through any of those homes you're gonna have 350 homes four or five feet

505
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:09,980
under water and so what I'm saying is we know all this it's leading us to the

506
00:46:09,980 --> 00:46:14,960
to the conclusion that we need to be doing a lot more than giving somebody 10

507
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,540
sandbags for free because that isn't going to do it and even I talked to the

508
00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:26,480
city of Long Beach with my friend is the city manager there he told me two

509
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,020
days ago that they were going to increase their berm from eight feet to 18

510
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:43,200
18 feet, but they're late, storm hit, took those houses, and they don't have 400 houses behind them, that are three or four, five feet lower.

511
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:51,400
So that's all I'm saying, we need to get ahead of it, and that might be burned the whole beach, but

512
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,580
because even a four foot sea wall isn't going to do it,

513
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,080
that's all, thank you so much.

514
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,940
Thank you

515
00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:08,420
See I managed it would you like to make any comments or be bringing this back for any further comment is it possible to

516
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:16,340
Look at the need to increase the plan for the berms to be yeah, I think that's what Clem was trying to explain is that

517
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:20,680
We're closely monitoring that this whole situation and we're participating in meetings

518
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,300
We're talking to our city counterparts up and down the coast and we're considering what we're doing

519
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:30,900
And I think, yes, we're doing what we typically do, but we're increasing those efforts.

520
00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:34,340
So I don't want there to be this understanding that we're just giving out sandbags,

521
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:37,080
and we're going to be doing the same thing we always do.

522
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,660
We are being very proactive.

523
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,060
We are talking to other cities.

524
00:47:41,060 --> 00:47:43,660
We're trying to figure out what we can do in addition.

525
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:47,640
And maybe that's just increasing the size of the berms, the length of the berms.

526
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,700
But this is a process that's going to be ongoing and that we're working on with our lifeguard team

527
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:57,120
in conjunction with other cities and with the County Office of Emergency Services.

528
00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,460
Everybody's got eyes on this and is working collaboratively to be prepared.

529
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,980
So I want to make sure that everybody understands that.

530
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,840
And I think also the other dynamic is what the city can do.

531
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,760
And there's also the private property dynamic.

532
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,400
I mean, I think everybody needs to be thinking about,

533
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Clem covered this in his presentation.

534
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:21,080
But there are things as private property owners that everybody should be looking at their property and

535
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,060
and thinking about what they can do to address

536
00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:26,200
any vulnerabilities that they have to flooding

537
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,880
and that does include the beachfront property owners.

538
00:48:29,060 --> 00:48:31,240
We have to work in partnership, okay.

539
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,100
Well, you then allow us to bring in sand

540
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:35,840
in front of our houses, if you don't.

541
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,960
That's not a question for me.

542
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:40,620
That's actually a coastal commission question.

543
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,760
I mean, you guys have done it in the past.

544
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:46,800
Yeah, I know your concerns and I appreciate them.

545
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,360
I appreciate it.

546
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,640
I think what?

547
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:57,210
It's still not giving me a lot of comfort saying that we're going to look at this and

548
00:48:57,210 --> 00:49:01,930
do this, because then we're going to be looking at this in October or early November.

549
00:49:02,270 --> 00:49:02,850
It's going to be too late.

550
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:05,190
Well, so I don't think that's necessarily true.

551
00:49:05,370 --> 00:49:09,970
I think the staff understands the urgency and things that you said about increasing

552
00:49:09,970 --> 00:49:13,930
the length and the height of the berm, I think that's something that Klem said that

553
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:16,910
they're looking at right now, which could be a great remedy.

554
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:21,070
the, for me, knowing that the lagoon's going to be dredged is, and we'll have that additional

555
00:49:21,070 --> 00:49:22,030
thing as well.

556
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:27,870
And I'll be able to contact you to find out what this process is, or when you're, is

557
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:28,230
that okay?

558
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:30,310
And I'll make sure you have his contact information.

559
00:49:30,830 --> 00:49:30,870
Okay.

560
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:31,430
Yes, absolutely.

561
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:36,250
Well, not only is our Assistant City Manager, it's going to be the primary lead on this.

562
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:37,870
It'll be available to answer questions.

563
00:49:38,110 --> 00:49:41,850
We'll be updating our website as we have new information available.

564
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:45,010
And I absolutely don't want you to think that we're like waiting and watching.

565
00:49:45,010 --> 00:49:52,290
We have plans in place. We are going to be ready. It's just a matter of understanding what we need to do as we're doing it.

566
00:49:52,410 --> 00:50:02,050
So the example you gave earlier, if we were planning for four foot berms and we find out actually they need to be higher than we're going to be modifying our plan to have higher berms.

567
00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:06,190
So as we have information, that's going to inform how we're responding to this.

568
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:11,490
Having that additional dredge stand on our beach is going to be really helpful because that'll be available for additional berms.

569
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:12,670
When will that be addressed?

570
00:50:13,090 --> 00:50:16,930
I think they're saying that they're going to do that in the fall, most likely November.

571
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:20,830
The first two weeks of November is what we've been told, but we're waiting to get their formal plan.

572
00:50:24,340 --> 00:50:30,160
And Ashley, I think, and claim to maybe weekly updates in our Delmar Weekly.

573
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,840
If you don't get the Delmar Weekly, I suggest you subscribe to that, would be great as well.

574
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:36,780
Great.

575
00:50:37,260 --> 00:50:41,280
And then just something to think about later, but not much later.

576
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:56,140
is that there are people in town due to circumstances that might not be able to do some of the things around their property and it would be nice if we could see if other people would be willing to volunteer to do some things for residents.

577
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,980
Something to work on, but I just want to put it out there and then maybe Klem we can talk about something like that.

578
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,460
Okay, great. Thank you for that great presentation, Klem.

579
00:51:07,730 --> 00:51:11,330
Okay, so now do you have a question?

580
00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:17,290
Are you moving on, or go ahead and redo a question, okay.

581
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:26,030
So I had a couple of questions, so how are you going about networking with the other

582
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:31,310
cities to know what they're doing and then thinking through adapting them for Dalmar?

583
00:51:31,530 --> 00:51:36,130
So our lifeguard chief is part of a network of lifeguard chiefs up and down the coast and

584
00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:38,030
And they share information and meet regularly.

585
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:42,730
And as Clem mentioned, a lot of the activities that are going to happen for storm prep are

586
00:51:42,730 --> 00:51:45,510
going to be happening between community services and public works.

587
00:51:46,090 --> 00:51:49,210
So we're in very close communication with our coastal city partners.

588
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:59,170
Next question is, is there any possibility of working with SoCal Edison to try to do the

589
00:51:59,170 --> 00:52:01,930
dredging and the berm building earlier?

590
00:52:01,930 --> 00:52:08,870
And the reason I ask is on Sunday at about 6.30 in the evening, driving back from UCSD

591
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:18,210
campus, the penuscitas lagoon was full, you know, it was like a bathtub full to the brim.

592
00:52:18,850 --> 00:52:22,230
And it was about the height of the six foot above zero high tide.

593
00:52:23,130 --> 00:52:28,730
And the water was still pushing in, you know, that was the Marie Wins, the Hurricane Marie

594
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:41,010
and the high tide, and the lagoon mouth was completely open. It was just water and water and more water, so it may be that dredging sooner rather than later is going to be really important.

595
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:49,370
Yeah, and you may recall, we've reported on, we've been asking SoCal Edison to dredge because we've had a high accumulation of sand in the lagoon for over a year.

596
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:58,490
So that is not, we've been asking them to do dredging. We've been asking them, we've been doing outreach specifically to do their normal dredging early.

597
00:52:58,490 --> 00:53:01,210
right now they haven't committed to an earlier time.

598
00:53:01,210 --> 00:53:02,250
They're committing to November.

599
00:53:02,910 --> 00:53:04,690
We are trying to schedule a meeting with them

600
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:06,970
to try to really push for an earlier dredging,

601
00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:08,210
so that's something that we're working on.

602
00:53:08,570 --> 00:53:13,450
Can we also push for more than their normal tons of sand

603
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:15,870
of dredging, given that so much more sand

604
00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:18,590
has come from the Salana Beach replenishment

605
00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:21,070
into the lagoon, then we might be able to get closer

606
00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:22,450
to the 18-foot berms.

607
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:23,670
Yeah, that's one of the challenges

608
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:25,010
that we've also been working on.

609
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:27,530
Is that the permit only allows

610
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:34,690
for 20,000 cubic yards and so we've been working collaboratively at with our state and our federal

611
00:53:34,690 --> 00:53:39,610
representatives to try to shake some of that loose to be able to to judge a larger volume of sand

612
00:53:39,610 --> 00:53:43,810
and we're still working on that. We haven't been getting much headway. I know I've been reporting

613
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:49,730
on that to the council pretty regularly so unfortunately that's the max that we have a permit to

614
00:53:49,730 --> 00:53:50,470
to drive at this point.

615
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:53,350
And last question, are we gonna be making burns

616
00:53:53,350 --> 00:53:55,850
all the way to the lifeguard station?

617
00:53:56,190 --> 00:53:59,370
So from the north all the way south to the lifeguard station,

618
00:53:59,570 --> 00:54:03,230
so that places like 17th homes in the 1700 block

619
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:04,850
will be protected.

620
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:07,010
Yeah, that's what we're evaluating now.

621
00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:09,190
We're gonna be putting burns in our normal locations

622
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:10,970
and then we're also looking for opportunities

623
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:12,110
to expand beyond that.

624
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:14,450
So my question.

625
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:16,550
Yeah, do you think it would be helpful

626
00:54:16,550 --> 00:54:19,410
if we could do a resolution to put the Army Corps

627
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:26,670
and CEE on notice that if they don't address this and there's harm caused by it, we've

628
00:54:26,670 --> 00:54:31,410
been asking the Corps of Engineers for two years now to get that sand that they dug up

629
00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:33,570
and gave to Solana Beach out of our lagoon.

630
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:38,590
So you're aware, we've had our congressman involved in it, we've asked Adam Schiff's office

631
00:54:38,590 --> 00:54:39,230
to help us.

632
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:44,690
The Army Corps of Engineers, which is under the president, isn't helping us.

633
00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:47,690
And it's one of the most frustrating things I can imagine.

634
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:48,990
and then we have the Coastal Commission,

635
00:54:48,990 --> 00:54:51,710
they'll get me started on all the coordination there.

636
00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:54,490
But at some point, I'd like to take a flyer

637
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:56,410
and say to these folks, if you don't get this done,

638
00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:59,950
and people get flooded, because all of us do know

639
00:54:59,950 --> 00:55:01,690
that those houses are below the sea wall,

640
00:55:03,090 --> 00:55:04,310
someone's gonna have to pay for it.

641
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:07,430
And if that means, even if we have the ability

642
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:10,530
to do some of it ourselves and then backfill it to them,

643
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:12,170
I don't think we can wait until November.

644
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:16,290
I mean, this storm's coming in October, is what they say.

645
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:16,830
Yeah.

646
00:55:16,830 --> 00:55:27,150
So how do we, how can we, if the council would like to do a proclamation or like a state

647
00:55:27,150 --> 00:55:31,250
of emergency, I don't know, there's probably certain criteria we have to meet.

648
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:35,350
But whatever, we can look at it with the city attorney's office and we can bring something

649
00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:36,330
back at the next meeting.

650
00:55:36,510 --> 00:55:39,430
I would highly recommend that and I think you could do that from everybody.

651
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,450
I think the state of emergency is nice from that.

652
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:41,650
Yeah.

653
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:48,330
Yeah, and with what I saw on Sunday with my own eyes and the pen is getting the emergency is here now.

654
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,960
Let's start on global war here.

655
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:56,460
All right, anything else?

656
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,940
Climb, thank you for the presentation.

657
00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:09,420
All right, so now we're going to go back in order and we're going to take.

658
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:15,920
Yeah, we're going to take presentation to Delmar Fire Department and overview response.

659
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,640
Once, time and performance by our new Chief Brett Davidson.

660
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:25,480
We welcome you to the, to the Dias for presentation.

661
00:56:26,100 --> 00:56:27,020
It's nice to have you.

662
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:33,560
You want me to over there?

663
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:34,680
That's fine.

664
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,360
Then everybody can see you.

665
00:57:01,380 --> 00:57:05,660
And I appreciate one that's an honor to get to be your fire chief for sure.

666
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:14,080
And you know, it's always an honor to get to come to council and do what I can to educate the community.

667
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,140
community as well as the council on kind of what the fire service does and I'm excited

668
00:57:19,140 --> 00:57:19,960
to be able to do that.

669
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:25,000
It's one of my favorite topics to talk about so out further ado, I'll go ahead and

670
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:26,620
start it up.

671
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:31,320
So I wanted to take a look at the performance review of the times that we had last year in

672
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,600
2025 and then take a look a little bit of an overview of the fire department itself.

673
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:45,600
So you have one fire station in Delmar that's at the fairgrounds, it's been located there since the early 50s.

674
00:57:46,140 --> 00:57:57,440
So believe it or not the station was actually the dormitory in the day room was actually built for camp colon up at the military artillery camp at Tory pines.

675
00:57:57,620 --> 00:58:03,120
And then they were built in 1941 and moved down there in 1945 after the World War II.

676
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:11,900
So those are two 85-year-old wood frame buildings that are put together, so they have a few maintenance issues after 85 years that we're dealing with.

677
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:19,540
You have nine response personnel, so every duty those nine people cover all three shifts.

678
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:28,100
So you have one captain, one engineer, and one firefighter on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week out of that fire station covering those three shifts.

679
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:34,520
The geographic area is 2.2 miles, as you guys know, of Dilmar and 3900 residents.

680
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,080
And then each fire station really covers about five square miles because we have automatic

681
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:41,760
aid agreements.

682
00:58:41,980 --> 00:58:46,100
And those automatic aid agreements mean that most citizens don't care what emblem is on

683
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:46,440
the door.

684
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:51,020
But when you call 911, you expect the same thing from the American fire service.

685
00:58:51,020 --> 00:58:53,020
You want us to respond quickly.

686
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:56,720
You want us to be efficient, handle the problem, and be nice and professional.

687
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:03,500
So we have a boundary drop to where the closest engine responds regardless of jurisdiction to the call

688
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:09,960
So we service about five square miles and then the city of Delmar responds to

689
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,540
1685 calls per year

690
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:21,640
Out of that in 2025 58% are medical emergencies and really that's kind of a hidden number because we break out traffic accidents

691
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,400
which are also medical emergencies.

692
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:27,420
So another 17% added onto that for traffic accidents.

693
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:30,040
5.28 are fire-related.

694
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Seven, well, here's six, six via claxons out of 17,

695
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,840
but fire alarms and then hazmat and then 11% other.

696
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,140
So that's kind of the call breakdown.

697
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:46,640
When we look at that, Delmar provides automatic aid

698
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,960
to the city of San Diego primarily.

699
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,580
to Solano Beach, actually primarily to Solano Beach, and then San Diego.

700
00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:59,760
Incinitas, Rancho Santa Fe, and then Mutual Aid is provided throughout the county.

701
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,380
Do automatic aid where the engines are closest, so it goes, but mutually, we all help each other in the fire service, so if there's a structure fire in San Diego, or there's a structure fire in Incinitas, the closest engines are going to respond to take care of that. And Delmar may be one of the closest engines when we're bringing, so typically for a structure fire, we're bringing four engines, a truck company, a battalion chief and an ambulance to that incident. And we want them to get there as quickly as possible.

702
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:30,680
because response times matter.

703
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,520
So in Delmar, Delmar provided 8, 743 times outside of Delmar,

704
01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:42,280
and we received 240 times aid back into Delmar.

705
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,480
So it is a little op-sided.

706
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:46,480
We give twice as much as we receive.

707
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,220
But when it comes to, rather, it's a brush fire, a structure fire,

708
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:53,360
we will pull multiple engines into the city of Delmar

709
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,200
to assist us when we need multiple engines, which is nice.

710
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,560
And then the majority of those are Salonabeech received 407.

711
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,960
Part of that is that there's the north side of Via De La Valle and

712
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,460
there is a convalescent home over there is in the city of Salonabeech.

713
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,920
That's a high frequency call volume and the Del Mar station is closer in proximity.

714
01:01:15,340 --> 01:01:18,820
So it picks up those calls naturally because they're the closest unit.

715
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:25,200
And then so Salonabeech 407 times and then Salonabeech

716
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,580
Solano Beach into Delmar was 190 times in 2025.

717
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,160
So our joint management structure,

718
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,380
Delmar shares as the management team

719
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:36,960
and you guys are aware of that.

720
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,080
And that includes myself as a fire chief,

721
01:01:41,300 --> 01:01:43,400
two battalion chiefs, you got Ryan and Eric

722
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:44,200
in the back of the room.

723
01:01:45,060 --> 01:01:47,080
And we have a fire marshal meaty

724
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,320
and I gotta say you guys introduced meaty earlier,

725
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:51,480
but I'm telling you,

726
01:01:51,540 --> 01:01:53,320
she is one of the best fire marshals in the county.

727
01:01:53,320 --> 01:02:00,780
We really looked out she understands community risk she understands the code and she is very engaging with the community

728
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:02,560
So I'm I'm really excited

729
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:08,520
To fire prevention specialists so and then one management analyst

730
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:15,800
We just offered a job to and last week and I'm excited that it's a Delmar employee that'll get a promotion into that position

731
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,060
So really excited about that and then the management team responsible for day-to-day operations

732
01:02:21,060 --> 01:02:31,840
So we provide a lot of training just last year and are actually just last month because I didn't have the totals for last year when it came to training.

733
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:36,720
But I looked at the monthly totals because the crews turn in a monthly report.

734
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:42,980
Just last month the nine firefighters that work out of Delmar did 429 hours of training.

735
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:48,160
We require a minimum of two hours a day and they far exceed that for their training time.

736
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,860
They did four inspections, two public events, and they ran 162 emergency incidents.

737
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:11,420
With meeting in the fire prevention staff, they did last month, 70 annual inspections, two vegetation management, two construction reviews, two plan reviews, with a total of 76 inspections for the city of Delmar.

738
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:18,760
and the media also went to five community outreach meetings as well as meeting with the

739
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,580
rotary and different groups here within Dumar, which is great,

740
01:03:25,050 --> 01:03:25,890
all right.

741
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:31,170
So fire prevention activities are plan reviews inspections, community risk, and fire investigations,

742
01:03:31,630 --> 01:03:34,010
encouraging homeowners to become fire wise communities.

743
01:03:34,330 --> 01:03:36,910
That's what we're really hoping to do here in the future.

744
01:03:38,670 --> 01:03:41,010
So fire station proximity does matter.

745
01:03:41,570 --> 01:03:51,850
We talked about it was established the fire department was established in 1957 it was established earlier by Cal fire at the fairgrounds with a brush rig and the brush rig was not adequate.

746
01:03:52,030 --> 01:03:55,850
We had some major fires and a brush rig couldn't do the fire flow.

747
01:03:56,370 --> 01:04:06,250
So the city of Delmar or well the Delmar area not city at the time decided to have their own fire station and put their own fire engine and the station there.

748
01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:11,370
So we talked about it being built in 1941 and moved in 1945.

749
01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:13,790
The next closest station is Salana Beach.

750
01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:15,950
It's 2.7 miles away.

751
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:21,170
And then San Diego City Station 24 in Delmar Heights is 4.5 miles away.

752
01:04:22,490 --> 01:04:26,710
And then having a station in Delmar is critical to ensuring our community needs.

753
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:28,110
So we want to respond quickly.

754
01:04:28,530 --> 01:04:34,370
Time does matter as quickly as we can get there, the better it is for us.

755
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:42,010
And to explain that, the NFPA has studied fires and says it fires doubles in size every 30 to 60 seconds.

756
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:48,690
And you guys know just this last week we had a fire at the Delmar seaside grill.

757
01:04:49,410 --> 01:04:55,650
And having a station, that fire was contained underneath the car port.

758
01:04:56,350 --> 01:05:00,970
And the Delmar engine from the time it dispatched the time they arrived at scene was five minutes.

759
01:05:00,970 --> 01:05:04,310
if we were to wait for an engine from another city,

760
01:05:04,830 --> 01:05:06,330
even another three or four minutes,

761
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:08,930
that fire would have tripled in size.

762
01:05:09,530 --> 01:05:11,010
And now you're talking about involving

763
01:05:11,010 --> 01:05:12,710
the first story and the second story.

764
01:05:13,230 --> 01:05:15,790
The way it was is these guys were able to get there quickly,

765
01:05:16,330 --> 01:05:19,130
put hose lines on it, and keep it to an exterior fire

766
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:20,410
without extending inside.

767
01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:23,990
The difference that means to us as the city

768
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:28,910
is that typically when a commercial occupancy burns down,

769
01:05:31,070 --> 01:05:31,670
the city.

770
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:35,210
We had a windies fire in Poway on Poway road.

771
01:05:35,810 --> 01:05:39,610
It burned down and windies collected the insurance money and said, you know what?

772
01:05:40,050 --> 01:05:41,550
We don't like where it's at in Poway.

773
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:45,610
We're going to go to Forest Ranch, where Forest Ranch is building and they move the

774
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:48,350
windies over there and the city's lost the sales tax revenue.

775
01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:52,230
So the idea is a fire department.

776
01:05:52,370 --> 01:05:57,030
We want to keep the fire to the room of origin and keep it from burning less than 30% of

777
01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:57,530
the structure.

778
01:05:57,530 --> 01:06:02,210
here. Once the insurance company sees more than 30% of the structure burned, it's a total

779
01:06:02,210 --> 01:06:07,290
loss and the whole building has to be torn down. It's expensive and it takes a year to year

780
01:06:07,290 --> 01:06:12,510
and a half to rebuild that building to get tax revenue back into the city. The way it is

781
01:06:12,510 --> 01:06:17,770
is if we can get to that fire and put it out, we had to pull the meter. But this business

782
01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:25,090
will most likely make the repairs clean up and be back in business in 30 to 90 days and

783
01:06:25,090 --> 01:06:27,070
they'll be producing sales tax back for the city.

784
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:29,810
So we're really protecting the sales tax infrastructure

785
01:06:29,810 --> 01:06:32,250
when we protect commercial occupancies.

786
01:06:32,650 --> 01:06:33,650
So that's really important.

787
01:06:34,410 --> 01:06:37,790
Our ISO rating, ISO is our insurance rating system.

788
01:06:38,030 --> 01:06:40,510
That dictates what our insurance policies are.

789
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:44,330
That rating is one which is the very best

790
01:06:44,330 --> 01:06:46,170
and 10 which is uninsurable.

791
01:06:46,790 --> 01:06:48,710
Nine is insurable at the highest rate.

792
01:06:49,330 --> 01:06:52,310
I'm proud to say that Del Mars ISO rating of two.

793
01:06:52,310 --> 01:06:55,930
So we have a good ISO rating.

794
01:06:56,430 --> 01:07:03,730
Now if we drop that ISO rating or you move the fire station, our ISO rating could change drastically.

795
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:09,310
And if it does, it could easily change our insurance rates by 30 to 50%.

796
01:07:09,310 --> 01:07:12,490
Now I did a look online and I don't think it was adequate.

797
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:19,010
I don't know how accurate it was, but it looked like the average homeowner pays $3,000 a year in homeowners insurance.

798
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:21,250
I think that's grossly under reported.

799
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:26,970
I don't know how many people are on the fair plan, but I would imagine most people's insurance are probably

800
01:07:26,970 --> 01:07:29,270
$4,000 or $5,000 a year to ensure they're home.

801
01:07:30,070 --> 01:07:34,270
If it raises 30 to 50%, that's a lot of.

802
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:38,290
And I also looked, we looked and calculated on wine.

803
01:07:38,910 --> 01:07:43,470
Our per capita costs for the fire department are about $1,000 per citizen.

804
01:07:44,090 --> 01:07:46,650
And when you look at region wide, that's pretty high.

805
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:49,530
But it's because our population is pretty low.

806
01:07:49,530 --> 01:08:00,310
We have 3,900 residents, and that's a lot, but when you look at the budget that we a lot for the fire department, it consumes about,

807
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:07,410
I think well we updated the number. It's a little less than 19% of the general fund budget.

808
01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:16,810
When you compare that to other regional cities, most regional cities in the northern coastal area, about 25% of the general fund goes towards the fire department.

809
01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:23,450
So I realize that we are expensive and adding at your own management team has been expensive.

810
01:08:23,890 --> 01:08:31,090
But I can tell you that Ashley combining those resources with Solano Beach has reduced those cost and

811
01:08:31,090 --> 01:08:36,210
you're still well under the minimum of what normal cities pay for their fire protection out of their

812
01:08:36,210 --> 01:08:43,620
general fund. So that's a very good cost savings and again it's good to collaborate with your

813
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:46,520
for neighbors and to reduce the cost of providing the service.

814
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:53,520
So fire damage that we talked about over 30% and then response times also affect

815
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:54,580
conflagation risk.

816
01:08:54,980 --> 01:08:59,080
So when we're talking about wild and fire and we talk about how the fire enters the community,

817
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:03,480
we want to make sure that we get enough fire engines very quick.

818
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:11,160
The Cal fire response for wild and fires in state wide is to try to keep fires less than

819
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,840
10 acres 90% of the time.

820
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,820
and that's how they distribute their aircraft.

821
01:09:15,980 --> 01:09:21,880
In the cities, we try to keep our fires less than three acres, 90% of the time, and by doing

822
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,520
that, we need to get resources on it very quickly to keep the fire small.

823
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:30,320
The larger the fire grows, the more resources we need, and then we're running behind.

824
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:35,540
So what we found for configuration risks from the palisades and the eaten fire is that if

825
01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:40,500
we get more than 10 homes that are on fire, it will exceed any water system that's engineered

826
01:09:40,500 --> 01:09:43,160
for the city. And we will end up with a

827
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:44,720
conflagration where houses are burning,

828
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:47,100
house to house until the wind driven

829
01:09:47,100 --> 01:09:49,280
fire stops. So until the wind stops,

830
01:09:49,460 --> 01:09:51,200
we're going to be stuck. So the

831
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,960
importance of response times and getting

832
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,880
our units in. And that's why the

833
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,020
importance of emergency access on a

834
01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:59,320
lot of those roads, not just for

835
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,740
evacuation, but for apparatus to get

836
01:10:01,740 --> 01:10:04,080
in quickly to be able to access water,

837
01:10:04,440 --> 01:10:06,160
to be able to access the canyon

838
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,680
rims and to be able to protect the

839
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,200
homes is really important. And

840
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:23,060
and media's help, and doing fire-wise communities at home-hardening and engineering that we need to do with the homes to bring the pre-existing, non-conforming homes into the new building standards so that we can protect them.

841
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:29,900
If we can encourage homeowners to do that and do their defensible space, we can make grant opportunities available to them.

842
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:37,200
That's something we're very much interested in doing, but it's kind of a multifaceted approach in order to protect the community from wildfire.

843
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,920
So part of its response, a lot of its prevention and engineering.

844
01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:45,770
And then medical aids.

845
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:49,430
We didn't talk about medical aids because it's not part of the insurance service.

846
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:52,890
But it is what we go on most of the time as medical calls.

847
01:10:53,290 --> 01:10:54,910
And we have paramedics on each one of the engines.

848
01:10:56,010 --> 01:11:00,210
We know cardiac savory, it's decreased 10% for every minute without CPR.

849
01:11:00,730 --> 01:11:04,590
So that means that the average citizen, if we don't do CPR intervention,

850
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:07,910
every minute counts, it's 10% less.

851
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:11,510
That's why our dispatchers are providing CPR instructions.

852
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:14,310
That's why we want you guys to learn sidewalk CPR.

853
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:18,450
You don't have to be certified in CPR to help somebody and save a life.

854
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:20,470
That's why Pulse Point is really important.

855
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:23,970
But if we can get bystandered CPR on board and

856
01:11:23,970 --> 01:11:28,110
we can get our guys there quickly to start CPR and continue ALS care.

857
01:11:28,350 --> 01:11:31,710
We'll have a much better chance at the save rate, so that's really important.

858
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:37,130
The military did a study on trauma, the trauma casualty care.

859
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:42,670
And they looked at trauma in the military, and it translates loosely to our civilian lifestyle.

860
01:11:42,970 --> 01:11:52,710
But what it does say is that if we have a traumatic accident, the people that are going to die from fatal injuries are all probably going to die within the first 10 minutes.

861
01:11:53,010 --> 01:11:58,590
And there will be nothing we can do about that because of the nature of the injury and how catastrophic it is.

862
01:11:58,850 --> 01:12:05,190
But what we found is that 85 to 90% of the people that don't die in the 10 minutes and

863
01:12:05,190 --> 01:12:06,830
and don't have a catastrophic injury,

864
01:12:07,210 --> 01:12:09,990
we can save them if we give them medical intervention

865
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:10,910
within 10 minutes.

866
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:14,630
So our goal is to get to every vehicle accident,

867
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:17,330
to every emergency in your home, if it's traumatic,

868
01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:19,990
or it's CPR as fast as we can

869
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:21,650
because literally minutes do count

870
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:23,470
when it comes to emergency response.

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01:12:26,290 --> 01:12:27,850
There are two standards out there.

872
01:12:28,350 --> 01:12:30,470
NFPA 1710 is a measuring stick

873
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:32,230
that a lot of fire departments use

874
01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:34,630
to kind of measure how fast we should be.

875
01:12:35,010 --> 01:12:36,570
And then there's the accreditation model

876
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:38,190
that really doesn't set a standard.

877
01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:40,630
They just said your community needs to look at the standard,

878
01:12:40,930 --> 01:12:42,770
and you need to look for continuous improvement.

879
01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:44,950
So when we look at response calls,

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01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:49,410
the federal standard is 60 seconds for 911 call processing.

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01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:51,110
From the time you call 911,

882
01:12:51,930 --> 01:12:54,010
to the time there's an engine dispatch,

883
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:56,730
should be less than a minute is what we would like.

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01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:59,010
Then 80 seconds, so that gives,

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01:12:59,490 --> 01:13:01,490
the turnout time is the amount of time

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01:13:01,490 --> 01:13:03,330
it takes for the folks at the fire station

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01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:05,730
to get from wherever that and the fire station

888
01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:09,890
on the rig and out the door. And we tell our folks we don't expect you to run to the rig,

889
01:13:10,110 --> 01:13:14,590
but we want you to move with a purpose as an emergency. Get to that rig as fast as we can

890
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:18,810
and out the door because that's all we can control is how fast we get to that rig.

891
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:24,110
And then we have our travel time. We want to make sure that we space out engines close enough

892
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:31,150
to have an adequate travel time. So really the first out total response time 90%

893
01:13:31,150 --> 01:13:36,890
and tile should equal approximately six minutes and 20 seconds with turnout time and travel

894
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:38,470
five minutes and 20 seconds.

895
01:13:39,190 --> 01:13:43,130
So when we look at that, now one other thing that we need to look out for structure

896
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:51,110
fires is it for a medical aid vehicle accident, one engine is adequate, but when we get a structure

897
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:56,750
fire and there's possible lives at risk or there's a large amount of property, NFPA says

898
01:13:56,750 --> 01:14:01,870
the most effective firefighting force is if we can get 16 crew members fully assembled.

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01:14:02,510 --> 01:14:09,470
I'm proud to say that at the Del Marcy side grill the other day the first engine got there within

900
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:16,090
five minutes but the entire 16 person crew got there within 11 minutes. So that means we had two

901
01:14:16,090 --> 01:14:21,530
hose lines on the fire. We had a hose line from the front door inside then we always do a primary

902
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:26,450
and a secondary search because even in commercial property many times we have people living inside

903
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:31,530
the property even though it's not zoned for that. So we always check for victims. We always do

904
01:14:31,530 --> 01:14:36,190
a primary in a secondary search. The truck got on the roof to make sure that we didn't have

905
01:14:36,190 --> 01:14:41,570
fire on the roof. And that is our typical response to a structure fire. So we want to get all those

906
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:47,330
units there. And our battalion chiefs come in and they coordinate all the engine companies and

907
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:50,930
they coordinate the truck company. And then we have the ambulance there in case we have any burn

908
01:14:50,930 --> 01:14:54,730
and victims. So that's what we need to measure.

909
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:59,950
And we don't want to measure averages, averages are not great.

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01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:28,250
Because that's only 50 percent. What we like is a 90th percentile. Because when you look at 90 percentile, you take out the really quick responses. And you take out the really long ones that are due to some unusual air. So 90 percentile is what we want to measure our performance on. Because that means that we're meeting your needs 90 percent of the time and that is adequate. Here's our fire hazard. Well, actually, this isn't our fire hazard severity zone. This is our drive time maps for Delmar and Salona Beach.

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01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:32,870
each. So this shows you where each of the fire stations is. And remember that these are

912
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:38,510
just drive time maps. They're not total response time. So when we're looking at this, the

913
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:45,510
one minute green, that's excellent, right? We can get the minute to dispatch the minute

914
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:50,470
and 20 seconds out the door. And now within two and a half minutes, we can get it seen on

915
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:55,670
everything that's green. That's great. The yellow is good too. That's three minutes plus

916
01:15:55,670 --> 01:16:02,910
the minute and a half, well the two minutes and 20 seconds, so we're still under five minutes,

917
01:16:03,170 --> 01:16:08,070
right? Well, just over five minutes to get there. So we're meeting the standard. Orange,

918
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:13,470
not so great for a first in unit, but acceptable if you have one unit that's out of place,

919
01:16:13,730 --> 01:16:18,630
at least getting there. So if Delmar is already on a call, you can see that Solana Beach can come in

920
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:25,570
and cover the orange. It's not the greatest, but it's not a huge delay. The red, now we

921
01:16:25,570 --> 01:16:28,610
We start to get into areas that if we're covering that for automatic

922
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:30,170
aid or mutual aid, that's okay.

923
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:33,550
But you can see that there's good coverage between the two stations,

924
01:16:34,210 --> 01:16:39,110
but the green and the yellow are really the benchmark that we want to maintain.

925
01:16:41,300 --> 01:16:47,280
When we look at the comparison, Delmar's 2025 statistics are with the dispatch

926
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,860
center is on average of two minutes and one second.

927
01:16:51,340 --> 01:16:55,360
So we want to work with Northcom, but remember they're medical dispatching,

928
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:03,280
So there's a lot of triage questions during COVID it was 30 seconds higher because of the COVID questions that were mandated to be to be asked.

929
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,640
So those have decreased. So we want to get the dispatch center faster.

930
01:17:08,300 --> 01:17:13,860
Our average response time out the door is a minute 45 seconds and that accounts for daytime and nighttime.

931
01:17:14,300 --> 01:17:19,280
So it takes a little longer at night to get out, but we would average we don't change the standard.

932
01:17:19,380 --> 01:17:22,100
It's a standard for both, so but they get mixed in there.

933
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:26,480
And then total response time is 7 minutes and 49 seconds.

934
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:34,240
So our 90% tile and getting to all emergencies in the city of Del Mar was 7 minutes and 49 seconds.

935
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:37,200
That's a really good benchmark to go off of.

936
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,240
So that's really good for the area.

937
01:17:41,420 --> 01:17:46,220
And then we haven't been measuring the 16 person crew fully assembled for structure fire.

938
01:17:46,220 --> 01:17:50,500
So in the future, I will be reporting on that data because that is an important benchmark.

939
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:52,480
mark that we need to make sure that we look at.

940
01:17:54,140 --> 01:17:56,180
And then changes for Delmar severity zones.

941
01:17:56,300 --> 01:18:05,500
You guys know that the 2025 Delmar severity zone went from 383 parcels to over 853 parcels.

942
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:10,040
So a massive area got expanded in Delmar for the hazard severity zones.

943
01:18:10,420 --> 01:18:18,740
So that total went up to 1,504 lots, resulting in 853 annual inspections by fire prevention

944
01:18:18,740 --> 01:18:24,120
and staff, and that was compared to 383 just the year before.

945
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:28,460
So really, they've almost tripled and a little less than tripled.

946
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:35,360
Now, Delmar, we have contacted OES, and we are taking delivery of an OES Type 6 brush rig.

947
01:18:35,820 --> 01:18:43,120
So the state is allowing us to gift that to us so that we can staff it for mutual aid responses.

948
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,860
But we can also use it inside the city.

949
01:18:45,860 --> 01:18:48,460
We don't have a brush rig between Solana Beach and Delmar.

950
01:18:48,860 --> 01:18:54,320
This rig is a smaller brush rig that can get into the estuaries and into the access roads.

951
01:18:54,820 --> 01:19:00,340
So now we'll be able to have access in and around the estuaries if we get a fire on the outskirts of that.

952
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:02,620
We're really vulnerable with the freeway there.

953
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:07,200
When you look at fires throughout the United States, 20% are vehicle fires.

954
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,480
We are very susceptible with the freeway.

955
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,960
And if we have east winds, we can have a fire at our doorstep very, very quickly.

956
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:20,760
So we want to be able to have a rig that we can get in and out and try to attack that fire right away and get as many units there as we can

957
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:23,180
Let's see

958
01:19:23,900 --> 01:19:27,320
Staff is expected to bring a zone zero ordinance to the city council in

959
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:28,360
2027

960
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:35,520
Media and I were able to pass the first zones or zero ordinance by local agency in the state of California and Vista

961
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:42,500
We would like to take our lessons that we learned from there and improve upon that and pass it a good ordinance here

962
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:45,640
But we also don't want to make poor people poor.

963
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,140
We also want to help people gain voluntary compliance.

964
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,500
So we want to work with the garden clubs.

965
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:55,380
We want to work with the grant people so that we can have,

966
01:19:55,580 --> 01:19:58,280
we can identify those that are elderly, disabled,

967
01:19:58,600 --> 01:19:59,940
and financially disadvantaged.

968
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,500
And we can try to get help for them.

969
01:20:02,780 --> 01:20:04,280
I'd like to work with the garden club,

970
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:07,160
see if we can't get their 501 C3 to get grant money,

971
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,260
and see if we can't get a whole array.

972
01:20:09,260 --> 01:20:19,500
because the hardest part of zone zero is underwriters laboratory has said that it works, but people are emotionally attached to the vegetation right around your home because you want your home to look great.

973
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:32,540
So I'd like to meet as planning on working with a garden club and trying to come up with multiple different examples of things that are aesthetically pleasing but are also fire safe and will meet the zone zero requirements.

974
01:20:32,940 --> 01:20:34,980
So we're looking forward to working with the community groups.

975
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:41,880
One really exciting thing about Delmar is you have so many community members that are so active.

976
01:20:42,140 --> 01:20:49,120
I look at Carol's out there and Carol, besides being part of CERT and part of Rotary and part of the Garden Club.

977
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:55,200
And I think she's involved in every club that's out there and I see her and she's very proactive, right?

978
01:20:55,620 --> 01:21:01,120
So we have a lot of community members that really care about the community and really care about the people in the community.

979
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:08,560
I mean, Ashley at the senior group can identify a lot of people that may have that need.

980
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:11,620
So we want to work with those groups and do that.

981
01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:18,320
Here's the High Hazard Severity Zone, we talked about that and then I want to really end

982
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:30,900
it with any questions that you might have that I can answer, sorry, I didn't mean to go so long.

983
01:21:31,740 --> 01:21:45,140
We do. We have some in-person speakers, and I'll note for anyone on Zoom that wishes to comment on this item, they can use the raised hand icon or dial star 9 to indicate that they'd like to speak. The first speaker is Carol Carage, followed by Jess Grohl.

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01:21:56,650 --> 01:22:06,810
Carol Carage, from El Amigo. I'm here as a garden club member, and I'm also on the board of the newly established FAR SAVE Council.

985
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:14,550
And on behalf of our new organization, I want to convey how thrilled we are to be collaborating

986
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:19,530
with the Fire Chief Davison, Fire Marshal Meldenado and our Fire Department.

987
01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:25,930
They've shown a high level of interest in developing our citizen-led efforts and it's

988
01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:30,290
clear that they are committed to a high level of community engagement in Delmar.

989
01:22:30,690 --> 01:22:36,750
We're looking forward to working closely with the Fire Chief Davison and his team.

990
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:42,570
and the residents of Delmar to do all we can to create a more fire resilient community

991
01:22:42,570 --> 01:22:47,650
as we move forward and launch our new website and begin our outreach efforts.

992
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:53,510
I hope we can return to the council to provide updates when still in planning right now.

993
01:22:54,770 --> 01:22:58,950
Lastly, we want to stress how important it is for the fire safety.

994
01:23:00,250 --> 01:23:05,650
It is for fire safety that our fire department continues to have physical presence

995
01:23:05,650 --> 01:23:12,310
in Delmar. I hope the council agrees with the Fire Chief, Davidson, and our Fire Safe Council

996
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:16,210
that presents this essential to our community safety.

997
01:23:18,450 --> 01:23:22,390
Actually, I also want to mention that I think there was a little mistake. I wanted to give

998
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:34,490
a note to a community announcement. And I just want to say really briefly that we're having

999
01:23:34,490 --> 01:23:40,030
our next climate event, and four weeks from tomorrow night, and it's going to be focused

1000
01:23:40,030 --> 01:23:41,410
on fire issues.

1001
01:23:42,450 --> 01:23:53,010
And, Jim Davidson is going to be speaking along with a scientist from UCSD on smoke

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01:23:53,010 --> 01:23:58,950
inhalation, and also it's going to be moderated by one of our firemen, Joel Carrington.

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01:23:59,730 --> 01:24:04,230
So we're getting the invitations out tonight or tomorrow morning where you can register.

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01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:06,730
just wanted you to know. Thanks a lot.

1005
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:07,930
Thank you, Carol.

1006
01:24:09,070 --> 01:24:12,030
What is the date and time of that event?

1007
01:24:17,660 --> 01:24:18,520
I'd say next speaker.

1008
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:21,420
Next speaker is Jasperiel, followed by Betty Wheeler.

1009
01:24:21,540 --> 01:24:23,720
He'll be reading some comments on behalf of another member.

1010
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,270
Oh, thank you.

1011
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:28,890
Mayor Martinez and council members.

1012
01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:33,690
Thank you for inviting Chief Davidson for his presentation today.

1013
01:24:34,810 --> 01:24:39,050
On exactly what our fire department does for residents and businesses.

1014
01:24:39,050 --> 01:24:44,070
We need to understand the important role our firefighters play in our community.

1015
01:24:44,850 --> 01:24:48,590
I know firsthand how important medical response times are.

1016
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:55,650
In 2002, my father, who was visiting from Canada, collapsed one evening out of the blue

1017
01:24:55,650 --> 01:25:01,470
and it was the fast response time from our paramedics that made the difference in his living versus dying.

1018
01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:08,150
Not only was I grateful then for our paramedics, but when I heard our council members suggest

1019
01:25:08,150 --> 01:25:19,110
We closed our fire department in Delmar for me. That was a pivotal moment that I decided to run for one of the two open seats on Delmar council in this year's election

1020
01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:27,770
I do realize that we're all very busy in our lives and it's really only when a person experiences a medical emergency

1021
01:25:27,770 --> 01:25:35,850
Will that person realize that every second matters at that moment nothing matters more than life

1022
01:25:35,850 --> 01:25:42,570
I'll always support having our Delmar Fire Station in Delmar so that our firefighters and

1023
01:25:42,570 --> 01:25:48,090
paramedics are nearby when seconds matter, whether it's a fire or a medical emergency.

1024
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:49,010
Thank you.

1025
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:51,730
Thank you, Jazz.

1026
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:52,390
Next speaker.

1027
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:57,130
Betty Wheeler is going to provide comments on behalf of Milan Giddleston.

1028
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:57,730
Okay.

1029
01:25:58,850 --> 01:26:03,050
Betty Wheeler's HVU Avenue and Milan Giddleston was here all evening.

1030
01:26:03,130 --> 01:26:04,030
She just had to leave.

1031
01:26:04,030 --> 01:26:08,890
but her name is Maylon or Alberta Gittleson.

1032
01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:13,710
She's a 93-year-old resident of Delmar and she wanted me to read her statement.

1033
01:26:14,230 --> 01:26:17,790
Good evening. My name is Alberta Gittleson. I'm a Delmar resident.

1034
01:26:18,250 --> 01:26:23,850
I'm here because I strongly support keeping and fully supporting our Delmar fire department.

1035
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:31,150
At my age, quick, local emergency response isn't abstract. It means safety.

1036
01:26:31,150 --> 01:26:36,050
very recently I needed help and our fire department came to my rescue.

1037
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:39,590
They were calm, quick, and kind.

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01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:45,650
That experience showed me personally how vital it is to have them right here in Delmar.

1039
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:50,410
Please continue to fully fund and support our Delmar Fire Department.

1040
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:56,050
It is an essential service for me, for my neighbors, and for everyone who lives in our community.

1041
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:56,770
Thank you.

1042
01:26:57,490 --> 01:26:58,130
Thank you, Betty.

1043
01:26:58,690 --> 01:26:59,230
Anyone else?

1044
01:26:59,230 --> 01:27:00,990
Next speaker is Philip Posner.

1045
01:27:13,660 --> 01:27:22,440
Philip Posner, Rimini Road, and Delmar, and I'm not expecting answers to questions tonight.

1046
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:29,280
I'd just like to throw out a lot of questions that should be answered in or I feel should

1047
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:35,580
be answered in determining whether there should be or shouldn't be a fire department continuation

1048
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:36,520
in Delmar.

1049
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:45,160
are. One, how much would the city save annually if there was no fire department? What would

1050
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:53,180
that savings be used for? Will the savings be for a better use for the city? Has Salana

1051
01:27:53,180 --> 01:28:02,780
Beach agreed to provide services to the city? Fire services, paramedic services, ambulance

1052
01:28:02,780 --> 01:28:09,420
and services. What are the response times projected to be versus the current response times

1053
01:28:09,420 --> 01:28:16,500
that were given tonight? Have the response times been calculated during race season,

1054
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:24,660
fair season, versus other times? What will happen to our fire insurance costs for commercial

1055
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:31,440
and residential customers as was mentioned tonight? With the new fire zone maps approved

1056
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:38,180
last year, Delmore nearly doubled its acreage under the very high hazard category, and

1057
01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:40,400
insurance is going to be an issue.

1058
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:47,300
We're concerned with sea level rise to protect properties, as we've spoken tonight, about

1059
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:53,340
the upcoming storms, we're concerned with undergrounding to protect properties.

1060
01:28:54,060 --> 01:28:57,880
Shouldn't we be just as concerned with the fire hazard danger?

1061
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:05,540
If there's an emergency encompassing Solana Beach and Del Mar who gets priority.

1062
01:29:06,620 --> 01:29:12,700
What we have protection regarding annual raises to the fee charged by Solana Beach for

1063
01:29:12,700 --> 01:29:14,200
this service.

1064
01:29:15,060 --> 01:29:19,600
What is our fallback plan if it doesn't work out?

1065
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,600
Do we lose the fairgrounds facility for the fire department permanently?

1066
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:29,620
Secondly, if we lose it, where would the fire department be set up in the future?

1067
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:31,540
We have no land for that.

1068
01:29:32,420 --> 01:29:36,940
How long will it take to set up a new fire department and at what cost?

1069
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:46,620
These, as I say, are just questions I came up with today in thinking about this and not

1070
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:54,460
really knowing what the presentation was going to be or what pushback there is, but I really

1071
01:29:54,460 --> 01:29:59,960
feel that if this is going to be an agenda item, that people are going to be...

1072
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,680
Concerned with all the residents of the city as well as our city council members, this should be given a lot of thought, a lot of foresight, a lot of planning. This is very, very, very dangerous to go through with a possible no fire department and no backup plan. Thank you. Thank you for excellent questions. Sarah.

1073
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:33,860
No, I'm seeing no hands raised for our Zoom participants, so no additional speakers, Mayor.

1074
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:34,480
Okay, great.

1075
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,340
Any questions from City Council?

1076
01:30:38,770 --> 01:30:40,410
Okay. Council Member Quirk?

1077
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:46,130
I have some comments and questions, and first of all, I sent some questions and writing to our city manager.

1078
01:30:46,390 --> 01:30:51,770
And I want to thank staff and Chief Davidson for the very thoughtful response on a lot of this.

1079
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:54,730
I know there's going to be a second presentation later on.

1080
01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:58,830
It's going to focus a little bit more on not today, but in the future on the finances.

1081
01:30:59,050 --> 01:30:59,590
Is that correct?

1082
01:30:59,590 --> 01:31:02,190
Well, it will be the cost sharing agreement.

1083
01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:05,410
So the council has already approved a fire management structure.

1084
01:31:05,810 --> 01:31:08,870
And so what we're working on with Salana Beach is a cost sharing agreement.

1085
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:11,550
Right now we're working under an interim cost sharing agreement.

1086
01:31:11,950 --> 01:31:16,490
We are working on finalizing the terms and conditions of a long term cost sharing agreement.

1087
01:31:16,630 --> 01:31:17,650
That's what's going to come forward.

1088
01:31:17,730 --> 01:31:21,330
But that would be the time I think to talk about cost and staffing and those other items.

1089
01:31:21,970 --> 01:31:22,150
Sure.

1090
01:31:22,670 --> 01:31:26,250
And I'll just repeat a couple of my questions because I think they're useful for

1091
01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:27,150
the public to understand.

1092
01:31:27,150 --> 01:31:31,730
But in general, she didn't, can you talk about the risk and

1093
01:31:31,730 --> 01:31:37,490
crash canions, maybe some of the things that we're doing, working in partnership with the city of San Diego,

1094
01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:40,930
which is where most of the, and I apologize for being late, there was, I guess,

1095
01:31:40,930 --> 01:31:46,630
a big ice cream truck that crashed or there was an accident on the I-5 and created all sorts of delays.

1096
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:51,450
So yes, yeah, thousands of gallons of ice cream on I-5.

1097
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:54,710
And no, it was earlier this morning, but they were still cleaning it up.

1098
01:31:54,710 --> 01:31:58,550
I think it falls under hazardous materials under the fire department.

1099
01:31:58,910 --> 01:32:00,550
So, but can you talk a little bit about Crescane?

1100
01:32:00,650 --> 01:32:06,450
I think at least in my mind, that's where the biggest risk is for the city of Delmar, especially the city.

1101
01:32:06,730 --> 01:32:15,930
I think that we need to evaluate, and what I'd like to do is have a fire study come through that not just evaluates the fire pathways into the city, but

1102
01:32:15,930 --> 01:32:23,330
also looks at where we have a conflagration risk, where we have a concentration of homes that don't meet the standard that are vulnerable.

1103
01:32:23,330 --> 01:32:39,210
So if we could protect those homes as a priority on the edge and we could keep homes from burning house to house downstream, I think it's important, but I would like to see us do that study so we can inform that and create a community wildfire protection plan.

1104
01:32:39,810 --> 01:32:48,770
And then I want me to talk to the homeowners groups and groups of residents to become firewise communities because they can get a 501c3.

1105
01:32:48,770 --> 01:33:02,930
They can apply for grant money to make those retrofits, so HOAs are available to create those as well as groups of I think as small as five or eight homes and as was eight homes and as large as like 2300 homes.

1106
01:33:03,310 --> 01:33:17,810
So I'd like to encourage that. I think this is a group effort. We need to identify the fuel breaks that are needed around our community work with San Diego and the land that's in there so that we have a maintenance cycle that's regular.

1107
01:33:17,810 --> 01:33:22,590
to reduce the fuel, then we need to work with the homeowners about doing the retrofits

1108
01:33:22,590 --> 01:33:28,370
and try to get grant money and try to help those that can't afford to do those to get them retrofitted

1109
01:33:28,370 --> 01:33:32,710
because it is a community issue, but I think it's kind of a multifaceted approach.

1110
01:33:33,230 --> 01:33:38,170
It's identify the risk, get a maintenance plan that's on a regular basis,

1111
01:33:38,590 --> 01:33:42,230
make sure that we have good evacuation routes that we have an adequate response,

1112
01:33:42,830 --> 01:33:45,010
but that we also have the community engaged.

1113
01:33:45,010 --> 01:33:49,570
We're educating them and we're encouraging them to make those retrofits and do their

1114
01:33:49,570 --> 01:33:50,430
defensible space.

1115
01:33:51,050 --> 01:33:54,130
So have we actually done brush clearing in Crest Canyon?

1116
01:33:54,310 --> 01:33:54,910
Can you remind me?

1117
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:56,430
Is that done on a periodic basis?

1118
01:33:56,670 --> 01:33:58,830
So San Diego has done it along the roadway.

1119
01:33:59,310 --> 01:34:06,530
I would like to see the roadway, which roadway along the upper road of Crest Canyon as you

1120
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:06,890
come in.

1121
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:11,890
No, I'm thinking of the evacuation round on the top of Spaghetti Hill.

1122
01:34:12,790 --> 01:34:14,390
That's Crest right at the top.

1123
01:34:14,390 --> 01:34:21,850
So from the city of San Diego and then where it turns into Del Mar at the water tank that area has been done

1124
01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:27,570
It looks like it needs to be redone and we need to take a look at the cyclone which is that which that is done

1125
01:34:27,570 --> 01:34:31,230
But remember that that is habitat so we have to have permission to do it

1126
01:34:31,230 --> 01:34:35,210
We need to have an MOU with them and we need to make sure it's done on a regular basis

1127
01:34:35,870 --> 01:34:40,570
Deeper into the canyon where the homes are that are in Del Mar primarily down at the bottom

1128
01:34:40,570 --> 01:34:45,990
That's a dangerous area that we need to make sure that we can clear and maintain some

1129
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:48,770
defensible space, but that's very important for homes.

1130
01:34:49,090 --> 01:34:54,550
All that area is very vulnerable to the interstate and to an east wind fire coming up there

1131
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:55,830
and coming up the canyon.

1132
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:58,230
And I hike the canyon this weekend.

1133
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:59,150
It's beautiful there.

1134
01:34:59,450 --> 01:35:05,270
Is there a trade-off for all of us who love the nature and the outdoors of that beautiful

1135
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:09,150
greenery and brush versus fire safety?

1136
01:35:09,150 --> 01:35:15,650
I think I would rather have the greenery and the brush, maybe some limited clearing, but

1137
01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:20,390
that's probably a discussion for the entire community, but is that the trade-off?

1138
01:35:20,770 --> 01:35:23,290
Well, and I think that that's a common misunderstanding.

1139
01:35:24,030 --> 01:35:27,390
Is fuel reduction is removing 50% of the fuel.

1140
01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:31,030
It's removing all of the dead, and it's trimming the live fuel down.

1141
01:35:31,130 --> 01:35:31,790
It's not removal.

1142
01:35:32,110 --> 01:35:33,470
So we're not clear cutting anything.

1143
01:35:33,890 --> 01:35:37,610
In fact, that's the last thing we want to do, because invasive grasses will take over.

1144
01:35:37,610 --> 01:35:43,550
What we really want to do is keep the root stock and tack we want to we want to drop the height of the brush

1145
01:35:43,550 --> 01:35:46,630
But we want to keep it there and we want to keep all the native plants there

1146
01:35:46,630 --> 01:35:50,690
So it looks more like a shaded fuel break, but it's a fuel reduction zone

1147
01:35:50,690 --> 01:35:54,350
So I think a lot of people think oh we're clear cutting 30 feet

1148
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:59,610
That is not the case because we want to prevent invasive grasses growing there

1149
01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:03,750
We want to promote the brush and the natural speeches that are there

1150
01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:08,690
but we just want to keep it reduced on a regular basis, so it does look nice and

1151
01:36:08,690 --> 01:36:12,450
it's aesthetically pleasing, but that it keeps the root stock and keeps the natural

1152
01:36:12,450 --> 01:36:17,530
vegetation growing there. Right now there's irrigation there from the

1153
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:22,950
sinkhole that occurred. I don't know how five, six years ago. In the future, would

1154
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:28,030
there ever be any sort of benefit to having more irrigation? Obviously not to grow

1155
01:36:28,030 --> 01:36:32,930
big trees, but to keep it lush and green and maybe less dry, somehow maybe

1156
01:36:32,930 --> 01:36:35,710
driving, dropping irrigation down from press road.

1157
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:38,450
Is that something that would ever be in our tool kit

1158
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:39,530
to use a phrase?

1159
01:36:39,790 --> 01:36:41,190
We'd really have to evaluate that.

1160
01:36:41,710 --> 01:36:45,090
So to promote more growth, it's to promote more danger.

1161
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:48,710
Obviously, green fuels are better

1162
01:36:48,710 --> 01:36:51,930
that are irrigated, but there's that tradeoff in there.

1163
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:53,870
So it's definitely something we need to evaluate.

1164
01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:57,150
And final question, I don't want to monopolize

1165
01:36:57,150 --> 01:36:58,810
too much time on the press canyon.

1166
01:36:59,210 --> 01:37:00,670
What's the most likely source of fire?

1167
01:37:00,670 --> 01:37:06,310
Is it embers coming from east of the five, blowing into Crest Canyon, or somehow locally

1168
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:10,970
ignited, maybe by someone campaign or something, locally?

1169
01:37:11,290 --> 01:37:12,650
It's a combination of anything.

1170
01:37:13,090 --> 01:37:18,230
I think our freeway is the biggest danger, and obviously the biggest threat to Delmar

1171
01:37:18,230 --> 01:37:24,150
is east winds, so when we get to San Ana winds, that's if we get an ignition on either side

1172
01:37:24,150 --> 01:37:26,530
of the freeway, it could endanger us very quickly.

1173
01:37:26,530 --> 01:37:31,650
I think the West winds, if we get a campfire, we get something small and it's a regular

1174
01:37:31,650 --> 01:37:35,950
windy day, it's going to carry it away and that will give us time to get there and get

1175
01:37:35,950 --> 01:37:36,990
a good perimeter around it.

1176
01:37:37,890 --> 01:37:43,210
So East winds is what would keep me awake at night because of the strong winds, the fast

1177
01:37:43,210 --> 01:37:45,370
moving fire and the potential for growth.

1178
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:48,630
But our biggest ignition source is the freeway.

1179
01:37:49,330 --> 01:37:55,590
But it is also, you know, roadways, there's any variety of

1180
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:56,810
Ignitions that can start.

1181
01:37:57,190 --> 01:37:59,790
When you say freeway, something like a cigarette butt being

1182
01:37:59,790 --> 01:38:01,810
Throwing out a window onto the side.

1183
01:38:02,710 --> 01:38:03,730
Could be cigarette butt.

1184
01:38:03,910 --> 01:38:06,710
It could be a chain being drugged down the road on a trailer.

1185
01:38:06,890 --> 01:38:07,770
It gets loose.

1186
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:09,870
Could be a malfunctioning catalytic converter.

1187
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:12,870
Could be a car that overheats and catches on fire on the

1188
01:38:12,870 --> 01:38:13,410
Side of the road.

1189
01:38:13,770 --> 01:38:17,490
About 20% of all the fires in the nation are vehicle fires.

1190
01:38:17,490 --> 01:38:36,250
So when you looked in, and you were talking about the 89 fires that we went to and having some context around that for Delmar is a lot of those can be electric cooking fires, a lot of them were vehicle fires and you guys know with the advent of lithium ion everywhere in our homes and our batteries.

1191
01:38:36,250 --> 01:38:48,110
We had two track trucks sketch on fire in Salona Beach this month and the most likely cause was lithium ion batteries that were thrown away and as it goes through their mulcher starting out on fire.

1192
01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:54,030
So we get lithium ion fires more predominantly because that's a new technology.

1193
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:57,550
Our fire prevention month will be talking about lithium ion batteries.

1194
01:38:57,550 --> 01:39:16,830
I welcome all of you. Please attend October 3rd at the Delmar Fire Station. We'll be doing open house and we want you to see the fire station meet the firefighters tour the engines, but media is going to have a ton of education there for lithium ion batteries and that safety, but that's a changing technology changes the risk as well.

1195
01:39:17,010 --> 01:39:19,710
Chief, what time is that? Please on October 3rd.

1196
01:39:22,990 --> 01:39:24,030
Okay. Thank you.

1197
01:39:24,030 --> 01:39:34,010
One more question. I asked about thermal cameras or infrared imaging. I think Crest Canyon relative to other wild areas is actually pretty small.

1198
01:39:34,810 --> 01:39:43,970
So with the small size on a relative basis, would an infrared camera or thermal camera be of any value if it was focused on that Crest Canyon section or no?

1199
01:39:43,970 --> 01:39:45,910
So we have pretty good coverage right now.

1200
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:52,790
So Black Mountain in San Diego, looks down Penisquedis Canyon and San de Guido from the east.

1201
01:39:53,310 --> 01:40:01,170
We've got La Costa, at the top of La Costa we've got a camera that can look south into us and UCSD's campus can look north into our area.

1202
01:40:01,550 --> 01:40:05,770
So when we looked at the Penisquedis fires that occurred earlier this year, we had two of them.

1203
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:12,370
And those cameras caught that right away and were able to send that.

1204
01:40:12,370 --> 01:40:13,970
and they were on watch duty.

1205
01:40:14,430 --> 01:40:17,170
So those are great cameras, they're really good.

1206
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:20,730
The black mountain gives us a good idea

1207
01:40:20,730 --> 01:40:22,070
if we had an east wind fire

1208
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:25,090
blowing from the San DeGito River Basin

1209
01:40:25,090 --> 01:40:26,970
or the Rancho Pentecostura side.

1210
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:29,790
We've got a good chance of picking that up right away.

1211
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:32,950
The LaCosta and ECSD catch the different sides

1212
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:33,650
of the canyons.

1213
01:40:33,890 --> 01:40:35,330
Are those cameras using vision

1214
01:40:35,330 --> 01:40:37,550
or are they using infrared to this?

1215
01:40:37,630 --> 01:40:38,850
Black mountains, how far away?

1216
01:40:39,070 --> 01:40:40,690
Black mountains been there a while,

1217
01:40:40,690 --> 01:40:44,570
but UCSD is trying to update all the cameras.

1218
01:40:45,150 --> 01:40:47,070
All the newer cameras have the AI

1219
01:40:47,070 --> 01:40:48,370
and the infrared technology.

1220
01:40:48,650 --> 01:40:49,950
They're trying to retrofit.

1221
01:40:50,010 --> 01:40:52,170
There's a program right now where they're retrofitting

1222
01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:54,510
all the other older cameras that don't have it.

1223
01:40:54,850 --> 01:40:56,170
So I'd have to look at the schedule,

1224
01:40:56,590 --> 01:41:00,050
but they may already be infrared capable.

1225
01:41:00,650 --> 01:41:02,370
So I just understand the black mountain camera

1226
01:41:02,370 --> 01:41:05,010
is 10 miles away or how far away is that?

1227
01:41:05,010 --> 01:41:06,410
It is, but it can zoom really.

1228
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:07,890
And if you looked at the pictures,

1229
01:41:07,890 --> 01:41:12,970
Here's, if you looked at the pictures of the Penisquitos fire, it was almost down here

1230
01:41:12,970 --> 01:41:16,550
near the mouth and it picked it up perfect from Black Mountain.

1231
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:21,870
But again, you've got, to the north of us, we've got La Costa and from the south of us,

1232
01:41:21,970 --> 01:41:22,690
we have UCSD.

1233
01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:27,410
So when there's a fire in the area, all those cameras will try and gillate to try to figure

1234
01:41:27,410 --> 01:41:29,690
out which one has the best picture of the fire.

1235
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:36,670
And soon we'll be able to geolocate the fire on the perimeter and calculate the perimeter

1236
01:41:36,670 --> 01:41:43,310
from the camera which is pretty awesome because right now we have a drone fly over and take a thermal

1237
01:41:43,310 --> 01:41:48,470
perimeter and calculate the perimeter of the fire and that takes us usually 30, 45 minutes to get

1238
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:53,950
that overhead. Great, thank you. No problem. Any questions from you? Sure.

1239
01:41:55,270 --> 01:42:01,550
Several of us took a tour of SDG and ease op center earlier this year and they talked about

1240
01:42:01,550 --> 01:42:09,330
smoke detection through cameras, they talked about temperature, wind, fuel load, via satellite.

1241
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:15,490
How much do you coordinate or rely on them as a sort of added set of ears and eyes on

1242
01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:15,690
this?

1243
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:21,050
What's amazing is SDG&E has probably been one of the more progressive power companies in

1244
01:42:21,050 --> 01:42:21,470
the state.

1245
01:42:22,570 --> 01:42:28,990
When PG&E got sued for lots and lots of money, SDG&E was shielded because of all the proactive

1246
01:42:28,990 --> 01:42:31,770
of approaches they've taken in San Diego County.

1247
01:42:32,270 --> 01:42:33,590
They work well with the fire departments.

1248
01:42:34,190 --> 01:42:36,590
I like their, they put up so many weather stations

1249
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:40,590
in the county so they can stop power when the winds get high.

1250
01:42:41,130 --> 01:42:42,410
So they're a good partner.

1251
01:42:42,570 --> 01:42:43,890
They send out a fire representative.

1252
01:42:44,250 --> 01:42:47,010
Anytime we have a fire to determine what's going on

1253
01:42:47,010 --> 01:42:49,010
and to help us with power shutoffs.

1254
01:42:49,570 --> 01:42:53,170
So SDG knee has been very helpful as a public utility

1255
01:42:53,170 --> 01:42:55,530
to the fire department and helping us coordinate.

1256
01:42:55,530 --> 01:43:01,990
Very cool. The zone zero thing is, I think everybody is interested in that. We've seen

1257
01:43:01,990 --> 01:43:05,650
La Jolla go first, so we get to learn from their mistakes.

1258
01:43:07,310 --> 01:43:13,050
Has there been any thought given? I feel like Dan touched on it. We almost feel like

1259
01:43:13,050 --> 01:43:19,470
we need to do a guiding principles study that about how do you balance tree canopy versus

1260
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:24,270
zone zero, because there's going to be folks on both sides of that equation and for good reason

1261
01:43:24,270 --> 01:43:26,710
and Delmar's beautiful city with a lot of tree coverage

1262
01:43:26,710 --> 01:43:29,590
and people want to keep it as much as they can that way.

1263
01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:32,790
How do you sort of see that tension playing out

1264
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:34,070
when zone zero comes in?

1265
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:35,830
Well, it's already started to play out

1266
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:37,510
with the State Department of Forestry.

1267
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:39,250
So they've given a lot of lenience

1268
01:43:39,250 --> 01:43:41,430
to the original zone zero stance that they took.

1269
01:43:41,750 --> 01:43:43,170
So you are allowed to have trees.

1270
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:44,810
You just have to trim them up

1271
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:47,150
so the branches aren't below the Eve line.

1272
01:43:47,650 --> 01:43:48,510
They can be up above.

1273
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:51,270
So we're not as concerned with tree canopies

1274
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:55,150
as long as we can trim a third of their height

1275
01:43:55,150 --> 01:43:56,350
or 10 feet off the ground.

1276
01:43:56,950 --> 01:44:00,530
And then we can do that 100 feet from the property.

1277
01:44:01,110 --> 01:44:05,250
So the live trees is not as important as all the dead fuels

1278
01:44:05,250 --> 01:44:08,810
and then the reduction of the fuel that's in those zones

1279
01:44:08,810 --> 01:44:09,930
by bringing it up.

1280
01:44:10,130 --> 01:44:12,750
So we don't want what's really important

1281
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:15,470
as underwriters laboratory is shown that embers

1282
01:44:15,470 --> 01:44:16,550
right up against the house.

1283
01:44:16,810 --> 01:44:19,830
If we have any combustibles within that first 12 inches

1284
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:23,110
is two feet, that even if you have a stucco home,

1285
01:44:23,210 --> 01:44:24,490
there's a weep screen at the bottom.

1286
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:26,990
Any flames will get in there and smolder,

1287
01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:29,110
and it's devastating.

1288
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:30,950
And then it's really disappointing for us.

1289
01:44:31,310 --> 01:44:33,350
We talk about rekindles and how much we don't like

1290
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:36,110
rekindles and evil words and the fire service.

1291
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:38,670
But it is when you protect a home

1292
01:44:38,670 --> 01:44:40,710
and you spend time protecting homes

1293
01:44:40,710 --> 01:44:44,650
only to have a smoldering fire get into a wall the next day

1294
01:44:45,010 --> 01:44:47,190
and burn down a house that you spend hours protecting

1295
01:44:47,570 --> 01:44:48,190
is devastating.

1296
01:44:48,190 --> 01:44:53,770
And that's what happens if people put mulch right up against their home or any combustibles that are in that zone.

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01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:59,430
So we really want to concentrate on making stuff look aesthetically pleasing but safe at the same time.

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01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,000
My last question, the mayor touched on this, I think, with the El Nino item. But have you given any thought to talking to DMCC with regard to using them as a dumb community connections to talk to our their clients and to spread the word about what's coming. And again, maybe to offer some sort of coordination on if something were to happen, you know, how do we look out for all of our residents who may be less mobile or less able to get out on their own?

1299
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:57,980
Yeah, absolutely the county health department gives us a list of immobile people that are stuck at home that are on oxygen machines in case the power goes out and they need emergency generators or they need oxygen, but also if they need evacuation and they don't have the ability to get out Ashley is a great resource at community connections we've met with her we've talked about sponsoring a seniors lunch at the fire station so we can meet with them and then media is already engaged them with different

1300
01:45:57,980 --> 01:46:00,860
different talks, we want, they do stuff on fall protection,

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01:46:01,460 --> 01:46:02,820
media to stuff on fall protection.

1302
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:07,320
But we want to be able to provide a lot of information on evacuations,

1303
01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:12,140
how to prepare for their wild and fires, make sure that they don't have trips and

1304
01:46:12,140 --> 01:46:15,460
falls and we can assess their homes and that they have working smoke detectors.

1305
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,280
So media already has an established program and we have some interns we'd like to onboard.

1306
01:46:20,660 --> 01:46:25,340
So we can meet with Ashley and identify the priority community members that need that and

1307
01:46:25,340 --> 01:46:28,220
really engage with them but we'd really like to engage with them.

1308
01:46:30,350 --> 01:46:32,570
So we're going to take a few more questions.

1309
01:46:32,570 --> 01:46:37,170
We have a time certain that 6.30 can you keep a brief and then we'll try to get through.

1310
01:46:37,550 --> 01:46:39,290
Well, I also have my comment but I have a question.

1311
01:46:39,290 --> 01:46:40,670
We're taking questions first, exactly.

1312
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:50,910
So where my 88 year old father lives, the county has a registry where each home can enter

1313
01:46:50,910 --> 01:46:54,790
who's there, how old are they, are they not mobile or mobile.

1314
01:46:54,790 --> 01:47:03,390
and even give floor plans and photos and upload things to make it much easier if there's an emergency response.

1315
01:47:03,850 --> 01:47:06,970
Do you have that kind of plan in place here?

1316
01:47:07,670 --> 01:47:11,570
In the fire department we don't. I don't know if County Health and Human Services does.

1317
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:13,350
I know they're capturing the data.

1318
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:17,390
Well, the county manages it, but it's for the fire safety.

1319
01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:21,790
You know, the town where my father is, if he falls down to the ground and can't get up,

1320
01:47:21,790 --> 01:47:30,930
It's the fire rescue who will come and get them off the floor and I find that very reassuring as a daughter who lives on the other side of the country.

1321
01:47:31,410 --> 01:47:37,450
And I could imagine it's a software system and it really is neat. So I'll introduce it to our city manager.

1322
01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:40,250
Yeah, I'd like to know more about it.

1323
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:44,290
Great. So I just have a brief question. I think it's important for residents to know.

1324
01:47:44,290 --> 01:47:49,430
as a resident registered nurse as well, when I spent the day with the fire department

1325
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:54,410
at their training center in Rancho Santa Fe, one of the stations was understanding the

1326
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:59,070
paramedics role, and I learned a lot, and it was all good things that I learned.

1327
01:47:59,270 --> 01:48:06,530
One was the high level of training and the ACLS level of medical care that they deliver.

1328
01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:11,790
Could you just briefly explain how many people in our department are qualified for that

1329
01:48:11,790 --> 01:48:15,690
that medical care and the level of care that they can provide.

1330
01:48:16,190 --> 01:48:20,010
Yeah, I'm proud to say that all nine of your firefighters are paramedic firefighters.

1331
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:23,570
They all understand the protocol.

1332
01:48:23,870 --> 01:48:28,430
We deliver 30 emergency room medications that we can deliver in your home.

1333
01:48:28,830 --> 01:48:32,090
We do not have to wait for a doctor's order for the doctor to come by the bedside.

1334
01:48:32,610 --> 01:48:38,270
We have standing orders and then we can get on the radio and get base hospital orders from the physician.

1335
01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:41,690
We carry a cardiac monitor, unfortunately.

1336
01:48:41,970 --> 01:48:47,310
They cost about $50,000 right now to replace, but they do 12 lead EKGs.

1337
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:52,910
We can detect myocardial infarction out in the field and begin stabilizing in treatment.

1338
01:48:53,530 --> 01:48:58,410
And not just that, breathing treatments, we have pain medications.

1339
01:48:58,970 --> 01:49:02,730
There's all kinds of treatments that the paramedics can deliver.

1340
01:49:03,130 --> 01:49:07,930
And then in addition to just being paramedics, because we have single role paramedics on the ambulances.

1341
01:49:07,930 --> 01:49:13,230
But our firefighter paramedics are designed to go into ideal H atmospheres, are immediately

1342
01:49:13,730 --> 01:49:15,290
sorry, dangerous to life and health.

1343
01:49:15,610 --> 01:49:20,870
So when we have a vehicle extrication, when we have hazardous materials called or any type

1344
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:24,530
of hazards, the private medics that are single roll are not trained in that.

1345
01:49:24,730 --> 01:49:29,530
So they receive the patients out in the ambulances, but it is our paramedics and our firefighters

1346
01:49:29,530 --> 01:49:34,310
that have to get in there, extricate, go in and remove victims and then bring them out

1347
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:36,190
so that the ambulance can take care for them.

1348
01:49:36,190 --> 01:49:39,790
So, it's not just the paramedic side and the ACLS.

1349
01:49:40,470 --> 01:49:43,070
They learn emergency childbirth and they deliver babies.

1350
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:48,730
They do all that and we pick a lot of people up and it's probably the more dangerous call

1351
01:49:48,730 --> 01:49:54,630
because you have elderly people that have ailments and we do liftacists and you know,

1352
01:49:54,670 --> 01:49:58,850
we all want to make sure that they don't actually need medical treatment because we don't,

1353
01:49:58,870 --> 01:50:02,010
we want to take them to the hospital if they need it, but if they just need to be put

1354
01:50:02,010 --> 01:50:07,030
back into bed, we do that. And it's, I think it's criminal that some of the care facilities

1355
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:12,290
have a rule that they won't allow their personnel to do that. So it's, to me, it's hard to see

1356
01:50:12,290 --> 01:50:17,690
an elderly person on the ground for 15, 20 minutes waiting for an engine company to go no code,

1357
01:50:17,690 --> 01:50:22,570
because it's not an emergency call to pick them up off the floor that's sad. But we do it all the time.

1358
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:28,350
I just wanted to add that I think another impressive component to what the paramedics do is

1359
01:50:28,350 --> 01:50:30,350
in debate, which is a very high level of care.

1360
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:32,650
So if someone has a respiratory failure or cardiac failure,

1361
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:34,650
they can intubate in the field, which can be

1362
01:50:34,650 --> 01:50:37,450
a big difference between life and death, for sure.

1363
01:50:37,810 --> 01:50:39,630
Yeah, they do have two airways

1364
01:50:39,630 --> 01:50:41,530
and they do do needle thoracostomy

1365
01:50:41,530 --> 01:50:43,470
and a variety of advanced skills.

1366
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:45,590
So yeah, they do a great job.

1367
01:50:45,810 --> 01:50:46,590
They do do a great job.

1368
01:50:47,010 --> 01:50:48,250
Okay, I'm going to ask our council members

1369
01:50:48,250 --> 01:50:50,010
to have comments, but we have time certain

1370
01:50:50,010 --> 01:50:51,590
so if they could be brief on any comments.

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01:50:52,090 --> 01:50:52,630
Council member Quirk?

1372
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:54,630
Council member Gasterland?

1373
01:50:54,890 --> 01:50:55,030
Yeah.

1374
01:50:55,830 --> 01:51:23,470
So I want to start my comment with, you know, I had the opportunity to meet with two of our fire fighters and just really listen and understand the concerns of the team and kind of the lay of the land right now and so my comment is based on reading your presentation in advance and really understanding the importance of our fire station here and also talking with the two firefighters who took their time to really help me understand the lay of the land.

1375
01:51:23,470 --> 01:51:29,410
And what I came away with is that our Delmar firefighters are outstanding, you know, really

1376
01:51:29,410 --> 01:51:34,590
the best there are, and committed to our public safety, and that shown through as well when

1377
01:51:34,590 --> 01:51:40,670
you talked about training, you know, two hours of training per day for each person.

1378
01:51:40,950 --> 01:51:44,530
I mean, that's a lot of training, and it keeps everybody on their toes.

1379
01:51:45,670 --> 01:51:52,210
I'll observe that we're paying the firegrounds in the fairgrounds, the fairgrounds, a lot

1380
01:51:52,210 --> 01:51:59,190
of rent for an aging fire station building. And I heard about the limitations of the building,

1381
01:51:59,470 --> 01:52:07,510
the limitations of the facilities, for example, just one shower. It's difficult. So I've myself

1382
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:13,690
have reached the conclusion that we're overdue to build a modern clean facility in Del Mar. And

1383
01:52:13,690 --> 01:52:21,070
ideally on city land, and I would say to our city manager, let's figure out how we can gear up

1384
01:52:21,070 --> 01:52:50,270
and apply for state grants to build a new fire station, possibly adjacent to public works and if land near the existing fire station cannot be found, let's negotiate a better lease with the state on the fairgrounds, fairgrounds owns that building, you know, if we move out, you know, let's see what they'll do with it, but, you know, we're in the process of construction design for a living levy that will protect public works from flooding and will upgrade the public works buildings.

1385
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:55,430
So I'd like to see us include a new fire station as we redesign the public works.

1386
01:52:56,130 --> 01:53:00,610
We've heard that Delmar depends on the shortest response times possible, and a minute

1387
01:53:00,610 --> 01:53:02,890
can make a difference between life and death.

1388
01:53:03,930 --> 01:53:08,830
Our Delmar firefighters and our fire station rates smack in the middle of Delmar are essential

1389
01:53:08,830 --> 01:53:10,130
and of the utmost importance.

1390
01:53:10,410 --> 01:53:11,070
I learned that.

1391
01:53:11,590 --> 01:53:16,350
I knew that, but now I understand why at a deep level.

1392
01:53:16,350 --> 01:53:22,090
and if there were a Santa Ana event in a fire erupted in Crest Canyon, it would be devastating

1393
01:53:22,090 --> 01:53:28,330
to our residents on Arabia, San Diego, and Crest potentially, and a new fire station should

1394
01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:32,190
be one of our highest priorities, state grants. Thanks.

1395
01:53:33,070 --> 01:53:37,930
Thank you. I'm just going to close first by thanking you Chief. We're so happy that you're our Chief.

1396
01:53:38,970 --> 01:53:47,550
I also want to put the residents kind of assured them that I will always support the fire

1397
01:53:47,550 --> 01:53:50,070
station in the fire department in our town.

1398
01:53:51,230 --> 01:53:56,890
Some might have another opinion but I think the vast majority of council and residents

1399
01:53:57,590 --> 01:54:01,590
absolutely understand the importance of having them in our town and I will always support

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01:54:01,590 --> 01:54:01,870
that.

1401
01:54:02,690 --> 01:54:07,030
And then I just want to recognize not just Chief but we have other people from the fire department

1402
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:11,130
in the back and I want to thank you for your service and putting your lives on the line

1403
01:54:11,130 --> 01:54:14,630
every day to keep our community safe and I want to so

1404
01:54:21,060 --> 01:54:22,640
thank you very much we really appreciate

1405
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:23,120
all you do.

1406
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:23,800
Thank you.

1407
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:24,260
It's an honor.

1408
01:54:24,580 --> 01:54:24,880
Thank you.

1409
01:54:26,890 --> 01:54:27,330
Okay.

1410
01:54:27,670 --> 01:54:36,350
So last on our agenda is our celebration for the 50th anniversary of the delmar community

1411
01:54:36,350 --> 01:54:36,810
plan.

1412
01:54:37,170 --> 01:54:38,190
Oh, sorry.

1413
01:54:38,270 --> 01:54:41,490
To interrupt because I know you were you're failing right into this.

1414
01:54:41,590 --> 01:54:42,010
Take a break.

1415
01:54:42,510 --> 01:54:43,010
Oh okay.

1416
01:54:43,010 --> 01:55:12,990
before we take a break, can we quickly do item six on the consent calendar just so as I have that's keeping item to get that done right I get excited to go to all that really like great things so I'm two for two of missing up okay since councilmember quirk is now here we are going to vote on the second reading and adoption of ordinance and implementation of housing element programs seven F for a and four be related to reasonable accommodations and special needs housing regulations.

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01:55:13,010 --> 01:55:19,190
calculations, including residential care, supportive housing, transitional housing,

1418
01:55:19,570 --> 01:55:28,970
low barrier, navigation centers, emergency shelters, and adult and child daycare services consistent with state law.

1419
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:30,550
Do I have a motion to approve?

1420
01:55:31,430 --> 01:55:32,030
Some moved.

1421
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:33,250
Second.

1422
01:55:34,590 --> 01:55:34,930
Oh, you can't.

1423
01:55:34,930 --> 01:55:35,130
Second.

1424
01:55:35,770 --> 01:55:37,130
Okay, Sarah, can you take the vote?

1425
01:55:37,710 --> 01:55:39,330
Noting that there's no public speakers.

1426
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:40,870
Council member Gasteland.

1427
01:55:41,170 --> 01:55:41,450
Yes.

1428
01:55:41,450 --> 01:55:42,550
Yes, Council Member Quirk.

1429
01:55:43,010 --> 01:55:43,150
Yes.

1430
01:55:43,530 --> 01:55:44,570
Deputy Mayor Spelich.

1431
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:45,730
No, me.

1432
01:55:46,150 --> 01:55:46,590
Oh, I'm sorry.

1433
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:47,150
Upstate.

1434
01:55:47,630 --> 01:55:48,450
Mayor Martinez.

1435
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:48,910
Yes.

1436
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:50,030
Motion passes.

1437
01:55:50,030 --> 01:55:50,410
All right.

1438
01:55:50,510 --> 01:55:50,870
Council Member.

1439
01:55:52,450 --> 01:55:52,930
Okay.

1440
01:55:53,330 --> 01:55:59,290
So we need just a few minutes to get set up, so we're going to take 5 minute break before

1441
01:55:59,290 --> 01:56:00,330
we start our celebration.

1442
01:56:00,690 --> 01:56:01,030
Thank you.

1443
02:10:26,640 --> 02:10:27,920
Thank you all for being here.

1444
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:59,480
All right. We're here today to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Delmar Community Plan. We're happy you all could be here. We're going to have a little program before we start with just mingling and enjoying our cake in the back. So I will start.

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02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:11,740
Tonight we're not just celebrating a document. We're celebrating a community vision that has guided Delmar for 50 years. What stands out most to me is how much

1446
02:11:11,740 --> 02:11:14,360
community involvement went into creating the plan.

1447
02:11:15,500 --> 02:11:20,140
The tradition of residents engaging thoughtfully in the future of our community

1448
02:11:20,140 --> 02:11:24,120
remains an important part of the Delmar way and it's who we are.

1449
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:30,720
50 years later, the community plan continues to provide a foundation of how we think about growth,

1450
02:11:31,320 --> 02:11:37,000
development, open space, mobility and the protection of Delmar's unique community character.

1451
02:11:38,100 --> 02:11:40,500
While the challenge facing our community has evolved,

1452
02:11:40,500 --> 02:11:45,140
The values reflected in the community plan remain remarkably relevant.

1453
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:50,960
We continue to make decisions with the goals of preserving our village character, protecting

1454
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:55,280
our natural environment, and maintaining the qualities that make Delmar special.

1455
02:11:56,220 --> 02:12:02,280
Our responsibility is not simply to look back and celebrate what the previous generations

1456
02:12:02,280 --> 02:12:09,620
accomplished, but to carry those values forward when we make decisions today so that the future

1457
02:12:09,620 --> 02:12:13,500
two generations can continue to experience the Del Mar that we all know and love.

1458
02:12:15,060 --> 02:12:20,160
This anniversary is really a celebration of our ongoing commitment to protect these

1459
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:22,340
community values for the next 50 years.

1460
02:12:23,500 --> 02:12:29,600
And tonight we're fortunate to welcome four people who each have played an important role

1461
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:32,120
in drafting and shaping the community plan.

1462
02:12:32,740 --> 02:12:39,160
Please join me in welcoming here on our dias is former Mayor Tom Shepard, planning

1463
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:46,200
commission chair, Sage Sweetwood, former council member, Nancy Hoover, and John Weir.

1464
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:50,320
And now I would like to turn the microphone over to Tom Shepard.

1465
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:53,480
Thank you very much, Tracy.

1466
02:12:55,320 --> 02:13:02,020
On behalf of those who have played part in creating Delmar's community plan, I want to begin

1467
02:13:02,020 --> 02:13:09,140
by thanking Mayor Martinez, Deputy Mayor Spellich, and administrative services manager Sarah

1468
02:13:09,140 --> 02:13:14,120
a creditor for their work in organizing this event, greatly appreciated.

1469
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:23,220
When I joined the city council in 1972, there was, there were no stoplights between 15th

1470
02:13:23,220 --> 02:13:25,520
street in Del Mar and La Jolla Shore striped,

1471
02:13:30,140 --> 02:13:39,700
it's always been like that, well for your benefit.

1472
02:13:39,700 --> 02:13:41,080
When I joined the City Council,

1473
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:47,440
there was no stoplight between 15th Street and Loha Shores Drive.

1474
02:13:48,440 --> 02:13:50,840
It was a very different situation.

1475
02:13:51,740 --> 02:13:55,680
City Hall and the council chambers were in the Rusty's surf shop building.

1476
02:13:57,920 --> 02:14:01,340
And you can imagine what that building would be like with a large public hearing.

1477
02:14:04,100 --> 02:14:08,180
The City of Delmar contracted with the County of San Diego for planning services.

1478
02:14:08,180 --> 02:14:09,660
we did not have a planning department

1479
02:14:11,900 --> 02:14:18,580
and when interstate five opened the central district of

1480
02:14:18,580 --> 02:14:27,120
Delmar was commercial district was devastated. And the opening of UCSD was in the process of

1481
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:29,020
transforming the demographics of the city.

1482
02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:34,180
It's hard to believe now but multifamily development in

1483
02:14:34,180 --> 02:14:39,520
Delmar was at that time increasing at seven times the rate of single family construction.

1484
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:40,580
Crest

1485
02:14:42,860 --> 02:14:47,520
Canyon, Seagrow Park, the powerhouse, Anderson Canyon were all in private ownership

1486
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:49,300
and threatened with development.

1487
02:14:51,270 --> 02:14:58,720
The city's existing general plan, which is adopted in 1968, was ill-suited to address

1488
02:14:58,720 --> 02:14:59,960
the rapidly changing.

1489
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,540
Engaging situation and the pressures on the coastal area of San Diego.

1490
02:15:09,020 --> 02:15:10,940
So in 1973, we authorized

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02:15:10,940 --> 02:15:16,800
the preparation of a new general plan under the guidance of our city's first planning director,

1492
02:15:16,940 --> 02:15:25,560
Gary Binger, and in collaboration with our then city manager, Wayne Dernitz. Gary proposed

1493
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:33,080
proposed a rather unorthodox approach to managing the process of developing the new plan.

1494
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:43,000
He proposed inviting all city residents to participate directly in identifying the plan's goals, objectives, and recommendations for implementation.

1495
02:15:44,260 --> 02:15:54,340
Over 300 residents responded to that invitation, organizing themselves into task forces and committees focused on each of the major elements of the plan.

1496
02:15:55,820 --> 02:16:15,540
Any resident could attend a task force meeting and any resident could vote on issues considered by the task force, the only requirement, being that residents couldn't vote on an issue unless they had attended the previous task force meeting, which if you ever attended any of those meetings you understand was a relatively high bar.

1497
02:16:20,190 --> 02:16:26,210
Those meetings were very long, very contentious, but they produced actionable results in part

1498
02:16:26,210 --> 02:16:29,390
because of the task force and subcommittee leadership.

1499
02:16:30,050 --> 02:16:32,830
The chairs read like an honor roll of our city's leaders.

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02:16:33,350 --> 02:16:39,570
Ken Hayward chaired the open space task force, Richard Simons chaired the commercial task force,

1501
02:16:40,190 --> 02:16:45,330
Stu Short chaired the circulation task force, and Dave Keeling chaired the residential task

1502
02:16:45,330 --> 02:16:49,110
course and served as the general chairman of the citizen's efforts.

1503
02:16:50,250 --> 02:16:58,090
June Strasbourg, Connie Garrett, Lutero, Walter Ross, Joe Lang, John Thunin, Ray Young,

1504
02:16:58,550 --> 02:17:04,370
George Hoover, Phil Newell, Herb Turner, Ray Kirk, Barbara Allen, and Richard Lighthall,

1505
02:17:04,670 --> 02:17:06,030
chaired various subcommittees.

1506
02:17:08,440 --> 02:17:16,220
Eventually, it fell to the Planning Commission chaired by Sage, also a former mayor, to take

1507
02:17:16,220 --> 02:17:22,380
Make the citizens recommendations and formulate them into a plan for a court consideration by the City Council.

1508
02:17:23,020 --> 02:17:31,580
And finally, it fell to the City Council composed of Tom Pearson, Nancy Fletcher, John Weir, Dick Rapinsky myself, to adopt the plan.

1509
02:17:33,970 --> 02:17:39,370
Now, not surprisingly for Delmar, there was considerable controversy regarding the parts of the plan.

1510
02:17:40,030 --> 02:17:44,770
Controversy that resulted in a referendum petition seeking to repeal the plan's adoption.

1511
02:17:45,770 --> 02:17:50,510
Some elements of the plan generated more intense opposition than others.

1512
02:17:51,430 --> 02:17:57,290
And based on an initial and informal plebiscite of voters, the City Council ultimately decided

1513
02:17:57,290 --> 02:18:03,130
to remove three of the most controversial provisions including the housing and trails elements

1514
02:18:03,130 --> 02:18:08,550
in order to improve prospects for securing voter approval of the remaining elements.

1515
02:18:08,550 --> 02:18:16,120
The amended plan went before Delmar voters in 1976, along with a bond measure to finance

1516
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:20,920
purchase of Crest Canyon, both were approved overwhelmingly by Delmar voters.

1517
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:27,940
The fact that residents care enough about the community plan, or even remember the community

1518
02:18:27,940 --> 02:18:31,880
plan, to celebrate its 50th anniversary is a measure of the plan's success.

1519
02:18:32,740 --> 02:18:38,720
But as a participant in the process, my takeaway relates less to the content of the plan than

1520
02:18:38,720 --> 02:18:40,120
the process of its creation.

1521
02:18:42,310 --> 02:18:46,550
It was a process that mobilized a substantial fraction of the city's

1522
02:18:46,550 --> 02:18:52,270
residents, caused them to seriously consider what it is about their city that deserved protection

1523
02:18:52,270 --> 02:18:57,570
and enhancement, and forced them to defend their views against opponents who were equally engaged

1524
02:18:57,570 --> 02:19:05,090
and thoughtful. The legacy of that process was a better informed, more engaged citizenry that had

1525
02:19:05,090 --> 02:19:08,130
a stake in preserving and protecting their community.

1526
02:19:09,430 --> 02:19:14,010
We are fortunate to have several of the participants in that process with us here this evening,

1527
02:19:14,190 --> 02:19:18,730
and I'd like to introduce each of them and give them a chance to say a few words about

1528
02:19:18,730 --> 02:19:19,710
that experience.

1529
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:22,730
I'll start to my left with Sage Sweetwood.

1530
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:24,850
Thanks, Tom.

1531
02:19:25,070 --> 02:19:34,490
That's a great summary of what is, I think, one of the most incredible experiences I've

1532
02:19:34,490 --> 02:19:47,130
had in my life is chair of the planning commission being involved in this ultimate citizen-driven discussion debate fight.

1533
02:19:50,350 --> 02:20:01,210
And I had just picked up a graduate degree in management back at MIT before coming back to California.

1534
02:20:01,210 --> 02:20:09,270
and part of that experience, I took a number of classes in organization development,

1535
02:20:09,630 --> 02:20:14,390
which is all about how to get people to work together to achieve a goal.

1536
02:20:15,230 --> 02:20:23,730
And when Gary came up with this plan, I thought that it was both incredible.

1537
02:20:23,730 --> 02:20:48,090
and I had a hard time believing we could be successful just given the nature of people and the difficulty of coming together, but I think it was from a process standpoint it was an incredible success.

1538
02:20:48,090 --> 02:20:58,130
Yes. I mean, we had massive disagreements. You know, there were around issues, but everything

1539
02:20:58,130 --> 02:21:10,770
was civil, at least reasonably civil, and it was one of the most substantive-based community

1540
02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:20,870
decision experiences that I've ever gone through in my entire life, and I've spent a number

1541
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:26,890
of years in both Washington DC and in Sacramento doing political things, so I've had a fair

1542
02:21:26,890 --> 02:21:35,830
amount of experience, but this is a poster child of what a committed community can do. One

1543
02:21:35,830 --> 02:21:47,510
And one specific instance that sticks in my mind is we were, this was late at night.

1544
02:21:47,690 --> 02:21:52,870
We were probably, I think, I don't think we've gotten to midnight yet, but we were still

1545
02:21:52,870 --> 02:22:06,090
in hearings and Dave Keeling, who was chair of the whole process, was presenting a proposal

1546
02:22:06,090 --> 02:22:16,890
and he put up this chart with this interesting little diagram of a rising line and that was,

1547
02:22:16,890 --> 02:22:20,930
is now known as the Keeling Curve, its climate change.

1548
02:22:21,730 --> 02:22:28,190
So it was his plot of temperature rise over time.

1549
02:22:28,710 --> 02:22:34,170
And he described the plot, described what it was all about,

1550
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:40,350
and said, as a result of this, I can confidently predict

1551
02:22:40,350 --> 02:22:49,310
that every all the all the beachfront housing from 15th Street North should be

1552
02:22:49,310 --> 02:22:57,590
zone floodplain and you know in the long term that was totally you know

1553
02:22:57,590 --> 02:23:05,270
I'm sure it'll turn out to be you know to be true but in the short term I

1554
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:09,410
So I asked Dave, that's very interesting.

1555
02:23:10,010 --> 02:23:13,110
So what's your time frame on this?

1556
02:23:13,630 --> 02:23:18,410
And he said maybe 50 years.

1557
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:22,270
So I said, OK, well, let's do something

1558
02:23:22,270 --> 02:23:26,010
that will get us to 50 years.

1559
02:23:26,310 --> 02:23:29,850
And we decided, we used our discretion

1560
02:23:29,850 --> 02:23:33,210
to decide that maybe zoning that area of floodplain

1561
02:23:33,210 --> 02:23:43,390
was a little premature. But that gives you the idea of the kind of conversations that we had.

1562
02:23:44,490 --> 02:23:59,150
And I have to admit that when I was in, when I was testifying before a state assembly committee

1563
02:23:59,150 --> 02:24:11,230
on climate change in the 2002-2005 era, I did dredge up that example to say,

1564
02:24:11,430 --> 02:24:22,010
we've had a warning, you know. So anyway, I just am incredibly pleased that I

1565
02:24:22,010 --> 02:24:26,850
had the opportunity to be part of that experience and to learn from that

1566
02:24:26,850 --> 02:24:36,870
experience and I'm incredibly pleased that the plan has lasted this long and has

1567
02:24:36,870 --> 02:24:38,590
been so widely accepted.

1568
02:24:40,850 --> 02:24:46,510
Nancy Fletcher. Thank you for inviting me tonight. I

1569
02:24:46,830 --> 02:24:51,270
have a really soft spot for Delmar in my heart and it's not because she's so

1570
02:24:51,270 --> 02:24:56,670
beautiful and so wonderful, it's because of the people. We have the most amazing

1571
02:24:56,670 --> 02:25:03,550
people in Delmar and it was the people who drove us and who accepted what we wanted to do and we

1572
02:25:03,550 --> 02:25:10,030
were lucky. We're right next to the UC San Diego, we're right by scripts. We had so many things in

1573
02:25:10,030 --> 02:25:16,610
our favor and so many wonderful people who gave us so many hours and while we were working on this,

1574
02:25:16,710 --> 02:25:23,190
the Coastal Commission law was enacted and started and that was an amazing thing for California.

1575
02:25:24,090 --> 02:25:28,610
lots of really good things happened and we were I was just really happy to be a

1576
02:25:28,610 --> 02:25:33,870
proud of it part of it and I can't tell you what I contributed except a lot of

1577
02:25:33,870 --> 02:25:41,170
time and while we were doing all of this we realized that we wanted open space

1578
02:25:41,730 --> 02:25:49,370
and we passed our open space bond issue with 72% of the vote nobody ever gets 72%

1579
02:25:49,370 --> 02:25:55,430
of the vote. Somehow, everyone talked to us. I wanted to be a part of what we were doing,

1580
02:25:55,690 --> 02:26:01,030
preserving Del Mar, and it worked. You can walk right downtown and you still recognize places.

1581
02:26:01,650 --> 02:26:04,370
Thank you. Thanks, Daisy.

1582
02:26:04,590 --> 02:26:05,770
I'm next. John Weir.

1583
02:26:06,030 --> 02:26:12,270
I wanted to spend a little bit of time just saying why things have, what things really did happen

1584
02:26:12,270 --> 02:26:17,730
from Del Mar, and it's remarkable. The Coastal Commission Nancy just mentioned. We were fortunate

1585
02:26:17,730 --> 02:26:22,750
We sent somebody up to the Coastal Commission almost a few days after it was a stop.

1586
02:26:22,870 --> 02:26:23,770
Did you remember that?

1587
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:24,090
Yes.

1588
02:26:26,290 --> 02:26:32,390
And we went up and actually I was up there and we came in the Coastal Commission.

1589
02:26:32,390 --> 02:26:34,410
Everybody looked at me like, oh, you're crazy.

1590
02:26:35,190 --> 02:26:39,010
You're the only person I ever saw that any mayor come up to talk to us.

1591
02:26:39,910 --> 02:26:41,110
Everybody else hated them.

1592
02:26:41,710 --> 02:26:46,850
We really liked, so the guy said to me, well, you know, we're having trouble

1593
02:26:46,850 --> 02:26:52,650
with these lines. Where should we put the lines for the Coastal Act? I said, oh, well,

1594
02:26:52,690 --> 02:26:57,510
I think a nice place to put would be right down to the center of Crest Canyon. And over

1595
02:26:57,510 --> 02:27:02,230
through the annex, Kent Wilson, another friend of mine, who everybody knows, also worked

1596
02:27:02,230 --> 02:27:09,010
on that. It was a real stalwart in that area. So that's why Crest Canyon is ours today,

1597
02:27:09,010 --> 02:27:13,050
because that went right through the middle of the big development that was already approved.

1598
02:27:13,050 --> 02:27:20,010
And that gave us, with the general plan, a way to go to the Coastal Commission, say this is inconsistent with the general plan.

1599
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:23,330
It's also in the coastal zone. That's what stopped that.

1600
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:31,250
That's a good example. Another good example that I'd love to talk about is the lagoon, the San Diego lagoon.

1601
02:27:31,850 --> 02:27:39,670
My wife started a committee called the lagoon committee. And this was a remarkable thing. I mean, this is so remarkable.

1602
02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:45,970
Well, I still can't believe it because the lagoon was a place where you dumped your refrigerator

1603
02:27:45,970 --> 02:27:47,150
when you didn't want it anymore.

1604
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:52,630
And there was a recycling center where the parking lot was, it was so filthy that you couldn't

1605
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:53,230
stand the smell.

1606
02:27:53,370 --> 02:27:56,070
But I used to take my cancer and recycle and get the money anyway.

1607
02:27:56,590 --> 02:28:01,510
But the lagoon, so the lagoon was at that time just a giveaway.

1608
02:28:02,230 --> 02:28:05,490
It had a plan though, there was a plan to make it like Mission Valley.

1609
02:28:05,690 --> 02:28:08,430
So the whole idea was that we were going to make that Mission Valley.

1610
02:28:08,430 --> 02:28:16,990
Nancy and her crowd, I think the developers called them women from hell, but they decided

1611
02:28:17,890 --> 02:28:19,290
that this wasn't going to happen.

1612
02:28:19,490 --> 02:28:25,570
Nancy got money from SDG and when I say Nancy, what I really mean is the people that

1613
02:28:25,570 --> 02:28:26,110
work together.

1614
02:28:26,250 --> 02:28:30,210
The fantastic thing about working in Del Mar with the committees was that you really didn't

1615
02:28:30,210 --> 02:28:30,830
have a leadership.

1616
02:28:31,090 --> 02:28:32,850
You just had people all working together.

1617
02:28:33,230 --> 02:28:34,510
That's a remarkable thing.

1618
02:28:34,510 --> 02:28:40,430
And so she and her friends saved that lagoon area, and they really were important.

1619
02:28:40,650 --> 02:28:47,970
Then somebody came along, Bob Sensabah's name was, and then he put together the conservancy,

1620
02:28:48,430 --> 02:28:54,870
the River Valley Conservancy, and now that's stuck in time, and now we have a path all

1621
02:28:54,870 --> 02:29:00,050
away from, almost all away from here to Volkan Mountain.

1622
02:29:00,450 --> 02:29:02,690
So these things are enormously important.

1623
02:29:02,690 --> 02:29:05,990
And these were done by Dalmar, a little tiny community,

1624
02:29:06,530 --> 02:29:09,270
which shouldn't have any interest at all to anybody,

1625
02:29:10,050 --> 02:29:13,310
but because the people were so clever, so hardworking,

1626
02:29:13,870 --> 02:29:16,630
and I think we had the framework of the General Plan

1627
02:29:16,630 --> 02:29:19,570
to say, this is what we want when we went to the Coastal Commission.

1628
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:20,990
In those days, the Coastal Commission

1629
02:29:20,990 --> 02:29:23,190
was really a very rigorous outfit.

1630
02:29:23,610 --> 02:29:25,230
I don't know that's happening so much now,

1631
02:29:25,670 --> 02:29:28,430
but anyway, it was then, and we could go with, get them,

1632
02:29:29,070 --> 02:29:31,110
work with them, and they would make things happen,

1633
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:31,910
And then they really did.

1634
02:29:32,310 --> 02:29:36,250
So Delmar had huge influence, way outside influence.

1635
02:29:36,730 --> 02:29:37,990
I'm going to stop now, because there's

1636
02:29:37,990 --> 02:29:39,050
many more of these things.

1637
02:29:39,210 --> 02:29:41,690
But you don't want to spend all night listening to that.

1638
02:29:42,670 --> 02:29:45,430
So I'm going to Rich Simon's suggested

1639
02:29:45,430 --> 02:29:50,030
that I propose a new logo for Delmar called,

1640
02:29:50,210 --> 02:29:53,270
then it's called, illegitim non-carburendam.

1641
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:59,290
It's an old saying from the Second World War.

1642
02:29:59,290 --> 02:29:59,890
I

1643
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:28,920
Jersey Joe or somebody general use that. It means don't let the bastards grabbed you down. And right now we're in that situation. Things are hard. You think you think it go away, but they haven't. They've gone away and they come back in a much worse form. So we still have to fight against all those people who want to make a ton of money and don't give a damn about the about the community or the environment that they wreck. So let's keep going.

1644
02:30:29,740 --> 02:30:31,200
Don't let the bastards try.

1645
02:30:37,440 --> 02:30:38,160
Thank you, John.

1646
02:30:39,860 --> 02:30:43,180
Finally, I'd like to complete our presentation

1647
02:30:43,180 --> 02:30:47,200
by recognizing, acknowledging some of those

1648
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:49,460
who contributed to the creation of the plan

1649
02:30:49,460 --> 02:30:51,220
who are no longer with us.

1650
02:30:53,040 --> 02:30:55,900
And that would include Gary Binger, George Hoover,

1651
02:30:56,480 --> 02:30:59,540
Stu Shore, Lou Terrell, Dick Row, Faith Goodman,

1652
02:31:00,060 --> 02:31:02,580
and Dempsey, Dave and Lou Keeling,

1653
02:31:02,580 --> 02:31:08,300
Jolang, Rosalind Fireobbant, Herb Turner, Ray and Carol Pittman, Marshall and Walter

1654
02:31:08,300 --> 02:31:14,920
Ross, Jim Meadows, John Carrage, Tom Pearson, Altharkington, and I'm really glad

1655
02:31:14,920 --> 02:31:19,760
Stevie could be with us tonight. Lee Robner, Karen Lockwood, Marco Walshock,

1656
02:31:20,420 --> 02:31:24,860
Carl and Lorraine Rouse, and Carol Mason. I know I've forgotten a few and if you're

1657
02:31:24,860 --> 02:31:30,700
here and I didn't list your name, it's because I'm also getting older.

1658
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:42,340
And lastly, I'd like to recognize Dick Rapinsky who served as mayor when the plan was finally

1659
02:31:42,340 --> 02:31:47,660
approved by voters and whose spirit and vision guided all of us during the process.

1660
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:52,700
So again, my thanks to everyone at the city that made this possible.

1661
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:58,660
I hope there's some wisdom that can be gleaned from our experiences and I'm really pleased

1662
02:31:58,660 --> 02:31:59,900
to be with you here tonight.

1663
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:02,200
Thank you very much.

1664
02:32:02,520 --> 02:32:02,780
And

1665
02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:10,320
I'd like to just say one word.

1666
02:32:10,660 --> 02:32:14,720
Thank you to all of you who are serving on the City Council right now.

1667
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:19,920
I know the time and the tension that is generated.

1668
02:32:20,520 --> 02:32:25,460
So I really respect your efforts and commitment.

1669
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:26,220
Thank you.

1670
02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:26,980
Thank you.

1671
02:32:27,160 --> 02:32:27,720
Appreciate that.

1672
02:32:32,090 --> 02:32:36,770
So next I'm going to present the proclamation on behalf of the City Council.

1673
02:32:36,770 --> 02:32:41,490
Council will follow that by public comments, council comments, and then we'll enjoy the

1674
02:32:41,490 --> 02:32:42,970
celebration and be able to mingle.

1675
02:32:45,310 --> 02:32:49,150
Proclamation commemorating the 50th anniversary of the Del Mar Community Plan.

1676
02:32:49,910 --> 02:32:54,970
Whereas the City of Del Mar Community Plan, also known as the General Plan, serves as a

1677
02:32:54,970 --> 02:33:01,030
city's guiding framework for decisions concerning land use, infrastructure, public services, recreation,

1678
02:33:01,030 --> 02:33:18,110
resource conservation and is compromised of multiple elements that provide a comprehensive slate of citywide and location-based goals, objectives, and policies to guide the city's growth and development while preserving it's unique natural environment, character and charm.

1679
02:33:18,110 --> 02:33:36,390
And work on the city's community plan began in September 1973, and over nearly two years of intensive effort involve countless hours contributed by community members, elected officials, and city staff to develop the foundation document that would happen in the future of Delmar.

1680
02:33:36,390 --> 02:33:54,230
And over 300 Delmar residents voluntarily contributed hundreds of hours during a rigorous 20-month process, brainstorming ideas, examining community needs and developing recommendations which would become the foundation for Delmar's new community plan.

1681
02:33:55,090 --> 02:34:20,470
In several different resident task force groups were involved in the plan development including residential, open space, commercial, and circulation task forces, as well as other, as well as several other committees, including the committee of four ways and means, non-automotive implementation, land use, Delmar today, North Hills, South Bluff planning areas, and ethics and law committee.

1682
02:34:20,470 --> 02:34:45,330
And the proposed community plan was adopted by the City Council on May 15, 1975, followed by a successful referendum petition repeal of the plan, a committee of four rework and an advisory vote on the community which was all very much the Delmar way with an engaged community thoroughly debating every aspect of the plan.

1683
02:34:45,330 --> 02:34:51,870
And the final community plan subsequently approved by Delmar Voters in March 1976 referendum

1684
02:34:51,870 --> 02:34:59,950
resulted in ordinance number 260 of the people of the city of Delmar in resolution 76-1

1685
02:34:59,950 --> 02:35:08,030
of the Delmar City Council cementing the new community plan as a cornerstone of the city's development and preservation goals.

1686
02:35:08,030 --> 02:35:14,610
And this extraordinary community undertaking established a lasting vision that has helped

1687
02:35:14,610 --> 02:35:20,450
protect Delmore Village-like character, outstanding natural features, pristine sandy beaches,

1688
02:35:21,110 --> 02:35:26,450
sandstone bluffs, native trees and vegetation, and the unique small town atmosphere cherished

1689
02:35:26,450 --> 02:35:28,050
by generations and residents.

1690
02:35:28,690 --> 02:35:35,250
And the community plan was later amended in 1985 by adding a recreation element and revising

1691
02:35:35,250 --> 02:35:40,850
the land use element and later by amendments adding to the Community Development Environmental

1692
02:35:40,850 --> 02:35:48,050
Management. Housing and Transportation Elements with additional amendments adopted in subsequent

1693
02:35:48,050 --> 02:35:54,130
years. And throughout its 50 years of existence, the Delmar community plan remains one of the most

1694
02:35:54,130 --> 02:36:01,790
important documents shaping the Delmar community. Now thereby, it hereby be proclaimed that the Delmar

1695
02:36:01,790 --> 02:36:23,750
City Council celebrates the 50th anniversary of the Delmar Community Plan and expresses gratitude to the community members, volunteers, elected officials and staff who participated in the creation of the plan, upheld and protected its vision over the past five decades, and continue to work forward preserving Delmar's unique character for generations to come.

1696
02:36:24,470 --> 02:36:25,010
Thank you.

1697
02:36:31,220 --> 02:36:34,640
And now we'll ask our city clerk if there are any public comments.

1698
02:36:35,340 --> 02:36:38,900
The first speaker is Drew Keeling, followed by Dwight Warden,

1699
02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:53,020
if this speaker right, if you go right there to the podium.

1700
02:36:53,420 --> 02:36:53,460
Yeah.

1701
02:36:55,740 --> 02:36:56,920
I'm here with my back.

1702
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:00,020
I know that we're going to fix that one day, so.

1703
02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:09,900
I wasn't expecting to be here, so my comments are a little bit ad hoc.

1704
02:37:11,640 --> 02:37:18,080
My involvement with the community plan and with the Pollock's and Delmar, politics in

1705
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:20,760
Delmar was a fairly short one.

1706
02:37:21,480 --> 02:37:28,240
I graduated from high school at San Diego in 1973 and I left Delmar to go away to college

1707
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:29,480
in 1974.

1708
02:37:30,140 --> 02:37:33,620
I was a freshman at UC San Diego.

1709
02:37:33,620 --> 02:37:40,560
ago. There was a election that year and a couple of people were elected. I was involved

1710
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:47,080
with that with a couple of other people who were also involved. And I was on one of

1711
02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:48,100
the task force.

1712
02:37:50,260 --> 02:37:53,860
Tom mentioned something about what the requirements were for the task force.

1713
02:37:54,040 --> 02:37:57,600
And I think maybe there was a requirement that you had to be a registered voter. I'm not

1714
02:37:58,140 --> 02:38:04,960
But I turned 18 and they had passed a lot a few years that were all the voting age to 18.

1715
02:38:05,780 --> 02:38:12,340
So I was probably the youngest person involved on the task force and I had probably one of

1716
02:38:12,340 --> 02:38:13,220
the least important roles.

1717
02:38:13,220 --> 02:38:18,380
I was mostly taking minutes as a secretary for the Open Space Committee, which didn't have

1718
02:38:18,380 --> 02:38:22,440
an awful lot to do because Chris Canyon was already a process that was going to save

1719
02:38:22,440 --> 02:38:22,960
Chris Canyon.

1720
02:38:23,080 --> 02:38:25,240
The Seagrove Park had already been pretty much saved.

1721
02:38:25,240 --> 02:38:31,380
So we were sort of ratifying that and adding to it a little bit, but it was it was an interesting introduction to

1722
02:38:32,700 --> 02:38:35,960
community politics and planning and and governments.

1723
02:38:38,420 --> 02:38:44,340
In those days my father was involved and I was also involved in some of the meetings because I

1724
02:38:44,340 --> 02:38:46,180
remember walking down to the

1725
02:38:48,460 --> 02:38:53,160
city council meeting or the planning commission meeting or the design review board meeting

1726
02:38:53,160 --> 02:38:57,920
And thinking about what happens and what might happen if I actually got up and said something.

1727
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:01,720
So I would have enough time maybe walking down the Helen ten minutes to sort of come up with something.

1728
02:39:02,020 --> 02:39:08,800
So I was doing that today and I thought maybe it occurred to me that there are different kinds of democracy.

1729
02:39:09,880 --> 02:39:22,000
And what we're celebrating today 50 years ago was a majority rules decision where the voters voted and a majority voted in favor of this plan.

1730
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:26,940
But that's not the only kind of democracy, that's the most important kind, but it's not the only kind.

1731
02:39:28,420 --> 02:39:33,480
Several times I've seen a card, because I wasn't good at it, I didn't think I was going to be here.

1732
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:41,040
I sent in a little statement and I included a card, the oldest organization I ever joined, which was the California Coastal Alliance.

1733
02:39:41,260 --> 02:39:42,320
You'll see it when it pops up there.

1734
02:39:43,420 --> 02:39:51,940
That was a group that I joined because there was an attempt to have a coastal zone protection in the California state.

1735
02:39:51,940 --> 02:39:56,280
assembly and they couldn't get it through all the committees and all the local people

1736
02:39:56,280 --> 02:40:03,020
who wanted to oppose it for whatever reason. So they drafted these people and initiative

1737
02:40:03,770 --> 02:40:09,240
based on something they had done in the Bay Area and with commissions and zones and so

1738
02:40:09,240 --> 02:40:14,260
forth and that passed by the voters. But it wasn't just the voters that passed it with individual

1739
02:40:14,260 --> 02:40:17,640
citizens that helped decide to put the initiative together.

1740
02:40:17,640 --> 02:40:26,360
here. So that's another example of democracy that's democracy by citizen law writing

1741
02:40:26,360 --> 02:40:32,880
if you will. Another example comes from Montana. I was just set up in Montana for a burial

1742
02:40:33,780 --> 02:40:39,640
and I was reflecting on coming down here that there was a court case a few years ago where

1743
02:40:39,640 --> 02:40:46,940
high school students essentially sued the state of Montana for violating their right to a safe

1744
02:40:46,940 --> 02:40:54,740
been clean environment. And clearly what happens in the energy policy or the climate policy

1745
02:40:54,740 --> 02:40:59,600
in Montana is not going to have much effect on the global climate. But what was interesting

1746
02:40:59,600 --> 02:41:05,280
about that case was that the judge ruled that the plaintiffs had standing. They had standing

1747
02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:11,840
because the guarantee of a clean safe environment was written into the preamble of the Montana

1748
02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:17,440
a constitution. That constitution was a new constitution in the 1970s, I think, that

1749
02:41:17,440 --> 02:41:24,540
was volunteer citizens' committees that constituted the convention and drafted the constitution

1750
02:41:24,540 --> 02:41:33,020
that later had to get approved. So that's another kind of participatory democracy, a kind

1751
02:41:33,020 --> 02:41:39,920
of participatory democracy. And that's maybe the best analogy to what happened in

1752
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:46,640
Omar. And for me, it's not 50 years. It's 53, 52 years ago in the initial stages of

1753
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:58,640
the task forces. So I think you could kind of think of this as democracy by showing

1754
02:41:58,640 --> 02:42:05,920
up and chipping it and doing something. That's important too, not just voting and what the

1755
02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:10,880
majority is. And it's especially important in a small town. I can remember I continued

1756
02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:17,600
voting even though I haven't seen these people for 53 years or whatever. I followed the

1757
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:23,940
politics and I can remember several elections where it was a question of whether there

1758
02:42:23,940 --> 02:42:29,220
would be enough candidates to fill all the open positions. Never mind having a contest

1759
02:42:29,220 --> 02:42:34,420
between candidates. The issue was there were more positions possibly than there are candidates.

1760
02:42:34,420 --> 02:42:52,380
So, Delmar has been fortunate in always having more people coming in to volunteer, so I want to thank the current council for organizing this and enabling those of us who remember the past and some of those that have heard about it to kind of explore the implications a little bit.

1761
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:53,280
Thank you.

1762
02:42:58,540 --> 02:43:03,380
Next speaker is Dwight Warden with one donation of time from Betty Wheeler, followed by Bruce Becker.

1763
02:43:05,610 --> 02:43:06,190
Thank you.

1764
02:43:06,390 --> 02:43:10,850
I'm going to be brief because you guys said so eloquently what I was going to talk about

1765
02:43:10,850 --> 02:43:12,450
is one who lived through the history.

1766
02:43:12,610 --> 02:43:14,530
This is not ancient history to me.

1767
02:43:14,630 --> 02:43:17,590
This is living history that we lived through and survived.

1768
02:43:18,170 --> 02:43:22,890
So what I did want to contribute that maybe hasn't been covered is just a context for the times.

1769
02:43:23,550 --> 02:43:27,710
When in the early 1970s this started, there was no sequa.

1770
02:43:28,370 --> 02:43:29,630
There was no coastal act.

1771
02:43:30,270 --> 02:43:32,790
General plans were strictly advisory.

1772
02:43:33,150 --> 02:43:34,350
Nobody had to follow them.

1773
02:43:34,350 --> 02:43:39,950
We followed county zoning and large areas of the county zoning were just labeled unzoned.

1774
02:43:40,430 --> 02:43:41,350
There was no zoning.

1775
02:43:41,770 --> 02:43:43,930
It was quite literally the Wild West.

1776
02:43:44,470 --> 02:43:51,170
And this is when the development boom first took a seed and started to go.

1777
02:43:51,630 --> 02:43:55,690
And then in the early 70s, the rules changed dramatically.

1778
02:43:56,510 --> 02:44:01,810
This was when the legislature passed laws that made general plans mandatory.

1779
02:44:01,810 --> 02:44:08,550
You had to have one and you had to follow it and you had to adopt zoning that was consistent with your general plan

1780
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:15,230
They all had to work together. This was brand new and changed the world and just pause for a minute a little editorial comment

1781
02:44:15,230 --> 02:44:22,150
This was the state of California helping us as a city and other cities control their own destiny

1782
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:29,130
Compare where we are now where the state of California is taking away all our control and trying to do it themselves

1783
02:44:29,130 --> 02:44:35,170
else. That's a huge challenge for us. But anyway, so all these rules changed and this

1784
02:44:35,170 --> 02:44:39,190
process got started because for the first time people that were smart enough to understand

1785
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:43,950
it like these folks in day killing, this is for real. If we do this kind of general plan,

1786
02:44:44,170 --> 02:44:49,910
it will actually matter. It will be binding. It will be controlling. And for two years in

1787
02:44:49,910 --> 02:44:55,370
the very Delmar way, we went through fights and arguments and people debated. I think most

1788
02:44:55,370 --> 02:44:59,130
people ended up still kind of liking each other at the end of it but it was

1789
02:44:59,130 --> 02:44:59,910
Tasty.

1790
02:45:00,180 --> 02:45:30,160
At moments. And the final thing I want to say is just the beauty of the plan, and here it is. This is the original Del Mar Community Plan that was given to me by the city 53 years ago. And if you've never seen it, it's worth looking at. There have been a lot of amendments since then, but the core of it remains. The emphasis on a livable, walkable community village center with a vibe.

1791
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:33,340
vibrant, commercial, downtown, environmental protections,

1792
02:45:33,640 --> 02:45:39,360
view protections, all of that stuff was in this original plan, and still guides us today.

1793
02:45:39,880 --> 02:45:45,360
And I think I'm just going to close by saying 50 years ago, these good folks had a vision.

1794
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:49,420
And I don't know if you actually believe it was going to come true, but it kind of has.

1795
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:55,140
And I think our challenge now is what's our vision for the next 50 years,

1796
02:45:55,140 --> 02:45:59,900
under these changed rules of the state usurping our control.

1797
02:46:00,360 --> 02:46:04,600
And that's our mission, and I think you can take inspiration as I do

1798
02:46:04,600 --> 02:46:07,780
from the work that these guys did 50 years ago.

1799
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:10,400
And wow, what a treat to see you guys all down here.

1800
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:11,620
You have an age today.

1801
02:46:11,820 --> 02:46:12,540
All these friends.

1802
02:46:14,280 --> 02:46:17,680
I think Tom, you were actually a UCSD student at the time, weren't you?

1803
02:46:17,980 --> 02:46:18,840
I had just graduated.

1804
02:46:19,300 --> 02:46:20,360
Oh, you are old then.

1805
02:46:20,580 --> 02:46:22,220
Okay, thanks, that's all I wanted to say.

1806
02:46:22,340 --> 02:46:24,220
And anybody wants to take a look at the original plan?

1807
02:46:24,220 --> 02:46:26,520
and let me know, I'll share it with you as long as you give it back.

1808
02:46:31,000 --> 02:46:31,560
Gracie?

1809
02:46:33,260 --> 02:46:33,820
Gracie?

1810
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:35,980
Next speaker is for you to factor something.

1811
02:46:36,300 --> 02:46:41,620
Let me say something about this because it's really important that Dwight was our tip of the spear.

1812
02:46:42,520 --> 02:46:44,900
And that could be pretty bad times.

1813
02:46:46,180 --> 02:46:49,020
There were times when he got attacked.

1814
02:46:49,280 --> 02:46:54,080
All these things we were talking about, when we had to turn down things, people got upset.

1815
02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:56,280
and Dwight was right there for us.

1816
02:46:56,300 --> 02:46:58,360
He was there for every single case.

1817
02:46:58,720 --> 02:47:00,780
And I think we pretty much won every case.

1818
02:47:00,860 --> 02:47:02,560
At least he didn't tell me about the ones we lost.

1819
02:47:04,320 --> 02:47:07,380
So I appreciate that and Dwight has been a stalwart

1820
02:47:07,380 --> 02:47:09,680
for us for many, many years now.

1821
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:10,660
Thank you, Dwight.

1822
02:47:10,920 --> 02:47:11,740
Thank you for adding that.

1823
02:47:17,100 --> 02:47:19,060
Thank you for giving me a little bit of time

1824
02:47:19,060 --> 02:47:22,060
to talk to council members and our founding fathers

1825
02:47:22,060 --> 02:47:23,940
and mothers of the city of Delmar.

1826
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:25,880
I'm a long-term resident.

1827
02:47:25,880 --> 02:47:33,020
And then I've been here since, well, basically the fall of 1975, the very first day I was here probably right around the time this was all getting finalized.

1828
02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:39,180
I was a UCSD student. I knew nothing about it. I just knew I'd found my home and that feeling has never changed.

1829
02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:47,480
I care so much about this town. I was a, I participated. I was a founding member of Cape Del Marclean in the early 2000s.

1830
02:47:47,480 --> 02:47:51,920
I was a member and a chair in the sustainability advisory board.

1831
02:47:52,540 --> 02:47:56,240
I served a stint on the DRB and I have the scars to prove it.

1832
02:47:57,000 --> 02:48:00,840
And I was on the sea level rise technical advisory committee as the vice chair.

1833
02:48:01,460 --> 02:48:06,740
I learned from people like Dwight and Don Moser and Matt Betor and other great leaders in

1834
02:48:06,740 --> 02:48:09,820
this town how to participate in city politics.

1835
02:48:10,480 --> 02:48:14,560
But we're here tonight to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the community plan.

1836
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:19,180
And to me, I wasn't planning on coming tonight and saying anything, but the heat wave that

1837
02:48:19,180 --> 02:48:23,900
we're in the midst of right now just seemed like it needed to be underlined.

1838
02:48:24,040 --> 02:48:25,780
To me, it's more than an odd coincidence.

1839
02:48:26,540 --> 02:48:30,220
It's not the hottest temperatures Del Mar has ever had, but the humidity and the nighttime

1840
02:48:30,220 --> 02:48:32,500
cooling or the lack thereof.

1841
02:48:32,540 --> 02:48:34,760
It feels pretty extreme, I think, to a lot of us.

1842
02:48:35,180 --> 02:48:38,620
And of course, as we've been hearing tonight, this is not going to be just this week.

1843
02:48:38,620 --> 02:48:43,860
we have to expect because of this super El Nino that's still unfolding right

1844
02:48:43,860 --> 02:48:49,080
now a period maybe as much as a year have prolonged an intense weather on top

1845
02:48:49,080 --> 02:48:53,100
of another marine heat wave and those are becoming more and more common now

1846
02:48:53,100 --> 02:48:59,160
as a result of climate change and so what got me up here is it it just strikes me

1847
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:03,940
that as almost as though as we consider the next iteration of the community plan

1848
02:49:03,940 --> 02:49:10,680
Nature is making sure we take this escalating climate crisis and give it the grave seriousness

1849
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:12,500
that it deserves going forward.

1850
02:49:13,260 --> 02:49:17,540
We've already heard tonight about further sea level rise from warmer waters and the

1851
02:49:17,540 --> 02:49:19,080
risks of flooding in our community.

1852
02:49:19,740 --> 02:49:23,640
But there are other impacts going on because of the warmed ocean that we have right now.

1853
02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:27,760
And there was a news report I saw yesterday of a sea lion up in Northern California that

1854
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:30,100
died from demonic acid poisoning.

1855
02:49:30,100 --> 02:49:36,400
This is the toxin that algae blooms create when the ocean waters get to warm, and that causes

1856
02:49:36,400 --> 02:49:42,420
seizures and heart failure and death and sea lions, but it also affects pelicans and dolphins

1857
02:49:42,420 --> 02:49:43,000
and whales.

1858
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:46,760
So this is no small thing that we're going through, and it's not just us.

1859
02:49:47,700 --> 02:49:51,960
I'm a physician, and I can tell you, and we've talked about this here at a meeting, that

1860
02:49:52,500 --> 02:49:57,640
this heat is a risk to our health, especially along with the humidity that we're having for

1861
02:49:57,640 --> 02:50:02,820
older individuals for people that would have chronic health conditions and for pregnant

1862
02:50:02,820 --> 02:50:05,740
women and their babies is something that I know a fair amount about.

1863
02:50:06,460 --> 02:50:10,740
But I want to talk about going forward, the community plan 2.0, whatever we want to call

1864
02:50:10,740 --> 02:50:10,940
it.

1865
02:50:11,480 --> 02:50:16,880
I hope that you will support a strong update to the climate action plan in this town that

1866
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:22,220
considers all options based upon the best available science and not on short term thinking.

1867
02:50:22,440 --> 02:50:24,360
I think that's the beauty of the community plan.

1868
02:50:24,360 --> 02:50:30,320
is it built long-term thinking into the way that the city runs and it's been an incredible

1869
02:50:30,320 --> 02:50:35,040
benefit to us. But it's not just elected officials that need to act. I really want to call

1870
02:50:35,040 --> 02:50:41,320
on all of us as citizens to vote on November 3rd, up and down the ballot, get to know what's being

1871
02:50:42,280 --> 02:50:49,520
selected. And I would ask that you vote for people that plan action on the climate crisis now without

1872
02:50:49,520 --> 02:50:55,620
any further delays we have to remind others to vote and to protect democracy this is a critical

1873
02:50:55,620 --> 02:51:01,440
time in more ways than one and if you feel like I do our beloved Del Marr is definitely worth

1874
02:51:01,440 --> 02:51:03,400
protecting thank you

1875
02:51:09,610 --> 02:51:14,050
next speaker is Roger Reynolds followed by Channa Manon I'm

1876
02:51:19,260 --> 02:51:19,740
wondering if

1877
02:51:19,740 --> 02:51:28,800
this technology can be slightly shifted so that there's a little more coverage so I wanted

1878
02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:34,360
to give you a picture briefly, and I wrote it all out because I wanted to stay focused

1879
02:51:35,010 --> 02:51:41,220
of the kind of people who came to Delmar before all of what you have just been hearing.

1880
02:51:43,170 --> 02:51:51,360
In the summer of 1969, Karen and I moved to Delmar from Tokyo, where we had been fellows

1881
02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:59,500
of a curious foundation called the Institute of Current World Affairs. We had been recruited

1882
02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:05,600
by its executive director while staying at the Rockefeller Foundation's Villa, Sebeloni

1883
02:52:05,600 --> 02:52:13,900
North of Milan in Italy. We met Richard Nolte, over dinner at the villa, and afterwards in

1884
02:52:13,900 --> 02:52:21,500
In his room, his initial question to us was, if you could be anywhere, where would you

1885
02:52:21,500 --> 02:52:21,720
be?

1886
02:52:23,100 --> 02:52:25,320
I'm not expected question, of course.

1887
02:52:26,730 --> 02:52:27,400
They're followed.

1888
02:52:27,980 --> 02:52:30,320
I need your answer by tomorrow morning at seven.

1889
02:52:32,440 --> 02:52:38,440
We stayed up all night imagining, and at seven a.m. the next morning we told him our choice

1890
02:52:38,440 --> 02:52:39,480
was Japan.

1891
02:52:39,480 --> 02:52:47,000
Japan. This was the institute's way, then, approach young people who had been secretly

1892
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:52,280
assessed and give them roughly half a day to change their lives.

1893
02:52:53,520 --> 02:53:01,380
We had decided on Japan marginally over India. Three years later, returning to the U.S.,

1894
02:53:01,380 --> 02:53:09,140
we decided to live in the coastal town of Delmar, the details don't matter now. We found

1895
02:53:09,140 --> 02:53:17,540
a house on the northmost branch of Delmar's Serpentine Drive, and we have lived there just

1896
02:53:17,540 --> 02:53:24,940
shy of six decades. When we arrived, some elderly neighbors just down the Serpentine slope,

1897
02:53:25,660 --> 02:53:34,020
John and Florence Tunon befriended us. It's comical now to realize that we are far older now

1898
02:53:34,020 --> 02:53:41,980
than they were then. Florence was a former dancer and John, a retired illustrator for the Los

1899
02:53:41,980 --> 02:53:53,020
Angeles Times magazine. They were each in their own ways natural wonders. In 1969, this part

1900
02:53:53,020 --> 02:53:59,740
of Southern California was still in the grip of a 30-year drought. Everything, and I mean

1901
02:53:59,740 --> 02:54:08,100
in everything was the color of burnt grass, and it rained maybe a few hours a couple of

1902
02:54:08,100 --> 02:54:08,960
times a year.

1903
02:54:10,220 --> 02:54:17,120
The Tunis were dedicated community participants and recruited us into the regular cadre of

1904
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:23,960
fellow Del Martians who were then attempting to see the Del Mar did not suffer the fate

1905
02:54:23,960 --> 02:54:28,640
of some northern California towns around Big Sur.

1906
02:54:29,940 --> 02:54:35,540
The regular meetings, and this is one of the interesting things that I see as a contrast

1907
02:54:35,540 --> 02:54:41,480
to what we've been hearing, the regular meetings were lively and entirely convivial.

1908
02:54:42,180 --> 02:54:44,620
I remember no conflicts emerging.

1909
02:54:45,380 --> 02:54:53,440
It was only some years later that the warfare over exploitive and preservative forces

1910
02:54:53,440 --> 02:55:00,020
on the city council, Teter taught her back and forth, threatening and then restoring the

1911
02:55:00,020 --> 02:55:08,320
elements central to the original carefully crafted plan. We have been then continuing

1912
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:16,100
beneficiaries of the provisions of that original community plan in hope that it may long survive

1913
02:55:16,540 --> 02:55:19,680
for the benefit of this and future generations.

1914
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:27,560
questions, and I wanted to add one other thing. Another wonder of Delmar was John Wears

1915
02:55:27,560 --> 02:55:35,360
Apple Pies. I don't know how many of you have had one, but they were literally this tall

1916
02:55:36,440 --> 02:55:38,120
and delicious to boot.

1917
02:55:51,510 --> 02:55:57,790
Hi, I'm China Manon, and my husband Frank grew up at Delmar, and told me that the reason Delmar

1918
02:55:57,790 --> 02:56:03,870
incorporated in the very beginning was to fight the freeway coming down by the railroad

1919
02:56:03,870 --> 02:56:10,070
tracks. And so when the opportunity came to be part of the community plan, we joined

1920
02:56:10,670 --> 02:56:16,810
many people spending many hours having many discussions about what the future should

1921
02:56:16,810 --> 02:56:23,530
be, which is a tradition that we're continuing today. So like Dwight, I actually remember

1922
02:56:23,530 --> 02:56:29,170
that I had one and I too would be glad to share it, but even more importantly, like today,

1923
02:56:29,730 --> 02:56:35,150
we had to pull everybody. My contribution is I made the cover, but not surprisingly,

1924
02:56:36,170 --> 02:56:42,510
everybody's chief concern was overpopulation. So I'll be in the back if you'd like to

1925
02:56:42,510 --> 02:56:48,390
look at these. I'd like to share them and congratulations on working on going forward.

1926
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:49,170
Thank you.

1927
02:56:49,170 --> 02:56:49,850
No

1928
02:56:55,900 --> 02:56:57,240
additional speakers lips there.

1929
02:56:57,640 --> 02:56:58,100
Thank you, sir.

1930
02:56:58,640 --> 02:56:58,940
I do.

1931
02:56:59,360 --> 02:57:00,140
It's wonderful.

1932
02:57:00,680 --> 02:57:00,860
Okay.

1933
02:57:01,720 --> 02:57:06,380
So now that we're done with public comments, I'll ask our fellow council members if they have any comments.

1934
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:08,240
Deputy Mayor's fellow.

1935
02:57:08,420 --> 02:57:12,960
I want to go first because I know cake is coming and I don't want to be the person keeping you from it.

1936
02:57:14,200 --> 02:57:17,960
When I decided to run for office, somebody took me aside and gave me some wise advice.

1937
02:57:18,260 --> 02:57:21,320
They said nobody ever moves here and says this place is great.

1938
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:22,440
Now let's change it.

1939
02:57:22,900 --> 02:57:28,620
You know, I mean, what was great is great stays great doesn't happen by accident.

1940
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:33,300
I mean, obviously we need to remain vigilant, you know, like you do on so many other walks of life.

1941
02:57:33,840 --> 02:57:36,280
But I will say this, I think I speak for all four of us.

1942
02:57:36,360 --> 02:57:38,520
We don't want to be the people that disappoint you guys.

1943
02:57:38,900 --> 02:57:42,940
So we're going to hopefully try to uphold the tradition that you started 50 years ago,

1944
02:57:42,940 --> 02:57:47,320
because you were amazing, you were visionary, you had foresight,

1945
02:57:47,320 --> 02:57:50,460
and I think the whole city owes you a great gratitude.

1946
02:57:50,460 --> 02:57:52,100
So thank you very much.

1947
02:57:59,980 --> 02:58:11,860
I'll just be brief and say I'm going to try to continue the legacy. I am not alone in the opinion that I think Delmar is the best small town on the planet and we're going to try to fight to continue that legacy going forward.

1948
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:19,960
We have some major challenges ahead, but thank you for everything. And I was a history major to and I love hearing this history is really awesome. Thank you.

1949
02:58:21,370 --> 02:58:33,550
Sure. Yeah. It is an honor to be here among all of you. I see just amazing faces who

1950
02:58:34,500 --> 02:58:43,670
your people who cared so much about Delmar that you took years of your life really thinking about

1951
02:58:43,670 --> 02:58:51,010
how to lay out the next 50 years and created a document that will certainly last another

1952
02:58:51,010 --> 02:58:51,970
50 years.

1953
02:58:52,910 --> 02:58:57,690
And I thought about, well, what can I say, well, one is when the University of California

1954
02:58:57,690 --> 02:59:02,590
San Diego was recruiting me to come here as a professor, one of my conditions was that

1955
02:59:02,590 --> 02:59:05,130
I find a house that I could afford to buy in Delmar.

1956
02:59:06,210 --> 02:59:07,510
And I found one.

1957
02:59:07,510 --> 02:59:23,530
and it's next door to Karen Lair who we just appointed to our lagoon committee and I really couldn't be happier than living in this little HOA and our residential mix zone next door to a 48 unit per acre apartment building,

1958
02:59:23,530 --> 02:59:29,230
Stratford Beach apartments, you know, it's, it's Delmar is just such a wonderful place and no matter

1959
02:59:29,230 --> 02:59:38,430
where in Delmar you live. The Delmar community plan thinks about it and opines on it, you know,

1960
02:59:38,610 --> 02:59:46,390
the, the group that spent two years putting this together thought about every inch, every street,

1961
02:59:46,390 --> 02:59:52,490
every bird, every tree in this city, and clearly argued about it without arguing.

1962
02:59:54,830 --> 02:59:59,390
So, I have on my commute puter a copy of the community plan.

1963
02:59:59,390 --> 02:59:59,970
And there's yellow...

1964
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,620
Pages. And anybody can get at it. You can print out your own copy if you want. And it'll be yellow because that's what's on our website. But just Google Delmar Community Plan. And this is what will come up. It'll be the development documents web page. And there's a link to both the online searchable version, but this version, which is much, much more fun to read. So I want to read a little bit from our community plan. And these are the very opening sentences.

1965
03:00:29,620 --> 03:00:36,720
The Delmar Community Plan is an expression in words and maps of how the community will

1966
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:43,040
develop over the next 10 to 20 years was an a vision that it's really lasted for 50 and

1967
03:00:43,040 --> 03:00:45,060
will likely last for another 50.

1968
03:00:46,200 --> 03:00:52,660
And just a few more sentences from this, it is a statement of city policy as to the future

1969
03:00:52,660 --> 03:00:53,420
policy.

1970
03:00:53,620 --> 03:00:54,840
That's the important thing here.

1971
03:00:54,840 --> 03:01:03,340
as to the future of the community and as to be used as a point of reference for all official and administrative decisions.

1972
03:01:04,100 --> 03:01:14,060
Another sentence, all ordinances established to guide development must in the future conform to and be consistent with the community plan.

1973
03:01:14,760 --> 03:01:20,400
And as Chair of the Sea Level Rise Committee that I was fortunate to have Bruce Bacar as co-chair during that four years,

1974
03:01:20,400 --> 03:01:28,140
I learned how important the community plan is and that the mechanisms for adding anything,

1975
03:01:28,360 --> 03:01:33,520
changing the community plan in any way, require four votes for an important reason.

1976
03:01:34,300 --> 03:01:36,280
And that reason is in our plan.

1977
03:01:36,880 --> 03:01:41,760
Any plan will need to be modified as conditions alter over time, sea level rise.

1978
03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:43,660
We needed an adaptation plan.

1979
03:01:44,280 --> 03:01:47,100
And thorough reviews should be undertaken every three years.

1980
03:01:47,100 --> 03:01:50,200
I don't think we've done that, but I don't think we've needed it.

1981
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:56,000
It should be remembered, however, the community plan represents certain decisions of vital importance

1982
03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:57,920
to the welfare of the people in their city.

1983
03:01:58,400 --> 03:02:02,940
The consequences of these decisions, in part, determine the number and type of people.

1984
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:07,500
There's that number, the population, the growing population that was such a challenge, and

1985
03:02:07,500 --> 03:02:09,800
still is all around us.

1986
03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:12,720
The number and type of people a community may accommodate.

1987
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:19,080
The standards by which the city will be developed, decisions of the appropriate amount, amount

1988
03:02:19,080 --> 03:02:23,900
and relationships of different land uses, and the lines of communication that link

1989
03:02:23,900 --> 03:02:24,580
these areas.

1990
03:02:25,100 --> 03:02:31,460
These are beautiful words, and I encourage Google, Delmar Community Plan, and Take A Read

1991
03:02:31,460 --> 03:02:32,680
is coming up weekend.

1992
03:02:33,260 --> 03:02:42,180
It is really a heartening document that, boy, I wish all towns and our entire country had

1993
03:02:42,180 --> 03:02:47,640
We're able to have a community plan like this created by people like you.

1994
03:02:48,280 --> 03:02:50,180
So thank you very much, it's an honor.

1995
03:02:52,370 --> 03:02:57,730
So I'll close, I'll be brief, I wanted to, like probably all of my fellow council members,

1996
03:02:58,270 --> 03:03:01,670
read the community plan as I was thinking about running for city council.

1997
03:03:02,150 --> 03:03:11,630
And I was really just blown away by the vision, the courage, and your relentless effort to come up with such a document that I think is the most important document in the city of Del Mara.

1998
03:03:11,630 --> 03:03:13,570
and it sure been my guiding principle.

1999
03:03:13,790 --> 03:03:15,310
So thank you for all the work that you've done.

2000
03:03:16,170 --> 03:03:18,250
I also want to thank all of you for showing up today.

2001
03:03:18,910 --> 03:03:20,650
I still can't believe I'm meeting all of you.

2002
03:03:20,790 --> 03:03:22,030
So I'm going to like Starstruck.

2003
03:03:22,230 --> 03:03:25,570
So this is a good thing for me and all of us to be able to see you.

2004
03:03:26,210 --> 03:03:28,210
And all of the people who worked on this,

2005
03:03:28,310 --> 03:03:30,250
I've learned that it was really a village of people

2006
03:03:30,790 --> 03:03:33,730
and we really have a lot of gratitude for all of you

2007
03:03:33,730 --> 03:03:35,990
for what you've done and the impact you've made

2008
03:03:35,990 --> 03:03:40,050
on one of the most beautiful coastal town in the state, for sure.

2009
03:03:40,050 --> 03:03:46,490
so thank you. So thank you everyone for coming out and helping us celebrate this important

2010
03:03:46,490 --> 03:03:53,190
milestone for our city. At this time we'll adjourn and there is some coffee and cake in

2011
03:03:53,190 --> 03:03:58,590
the back. I wanted to point out that the posters that you see of 1976, what was happening

2012
03:03:58,590 --> 03:04:04,550
at the time. There's handouts in the back. This was provided, developed and provided by Deputy

2013
03:04:04,550 --> 03:04:07,690
Mayor's Bellage, so thank you for that.

2014
03:04:08,770 --> 03:04:13,590
And then I want to also thank Sarah Crater for all her effort in helping us coordinate

2015
03:04:13,590 --> 03:04:15,150
this beautiful evening for everyone.

2016
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She took care of every detail, every idea we had, reached out to our panelists here.

2017
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So thank you, Sarah, for all you did to make this happen.

2018
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So thank you, meetings adjourned.

2019
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Let's go celebrate.