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I want to welcome each and every one of
you to the August 12th during Board

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meeting. If you would please stand and
we'll pledge to the flag

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to the flag United States of America to
the republic for it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you. Roll call, please.
>> Mr. Whitehead,

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» here.
>> Mr. Hamilton,

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» present.
>> Commissioner,

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» present.
>> Mr. Christie,

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» present.
>> Mr. Bustel,

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» here.
>> Mr.

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» Here.
>> Mr. Brooks.

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» Orchers.
>> Oh, here.

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» Approval of the July 8th minutes. Any
additions or corrections?

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Motion to approve the minutes.
>> Second.

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» Have a motion before us properly.
Second. Roll call, please.

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» Mr. Whitehead.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Hamilton.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Rood.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Christie.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. B.
>> Yes. Table of business. Pavement

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McConnell. Reconstruction.
>> Yeah. I think where we left it last

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month was Mr. Hamilton was going to to
talk to the prominent land owners and

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see where they're wanting to go with the
three options that we came up. the

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engineer came up with.
>> I did talk to two of the land owners on

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the original petition. Dr. Hazlet is
here. Dr. Hazlet, is there anything that

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you would like to say?
>> If you would please.

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» No problem at all.

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» Good morning. Gary Hazellet, 221 West
County Road, 400 South. Uh, yes, I'm not

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in favor of this particular drain
project. I do have several reasons for

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that.
uh one is that we have had this project

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reconstructed in some manner several
what 15 years ago or thereabouts. It was

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unsuccessful. We spent a fair amount of
money and I'm not convinced that that

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will happen again properly. two is that
uh our end and major owners including u

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Cirrus and Lon Wright who I thought
might be here this morning uh really

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don't have a problem in terms of any
drainage in that area. The tenant for my

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ground also brings up a point that when
we disturb the ground like we will would

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need to do for this that puts the ground
in a much less productive state for a

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number of years and that's not very
valuable in my mind if we do something

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like that and of course thirdly of all
as a major land owner I'm going to have

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to take a chunk of money on this and I
don't really want to do that either. So

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I it appears to me that most of the
drainage issues appear to be south and

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east of Waynewood, which is where some
of the major concerns seem to be. There

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are a few people involved with that area
back in there. So I think

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this is a a

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project that not as beneficial down the
line as it would be for a group of

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people near the eastern end of that
drain. Now, granted, after five and a

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half inches of rain at my house this
morning, it does look a little

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different, but uh it won't for very long
because it'll pass on down the to the

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creek until the creek gets too full. So,
I I myself am not in favor of this of

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any of those repairs. Uh it's too
expensive for the money and the benefit

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and
uh just seems to be weighted toward one

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end. So, I I uh guess that's all I can
say. Any questions for me? item.

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» Any questions?
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you, [clears throat] doctor. All
right.

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» Appreciate you.
>> I spoke to Mr. Wright and his comments

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were similar. Um, it I I estimated that
it would cost $122 per acre per year for

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5 years to install alternative 1, which
is the upsizing of the 24-in tile from

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Kalen Road to Noame Creek from 24 in to
30 and 36 in. Um I believe that this

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would be beneficial or even required if
there is um pattern tiling done on any

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of those fields from Kowan Road to No
Name Creek, but um until that is done um

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the the benefit may not um may not be
outweighed by the cost. Um,

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so my recommendation for this is to um
put the design for the 36 and 30inch

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upsizing
um to put that on the shelf and save

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that for a time when that there is
additional drainage planned for this

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watershed.
The surface water solution that um

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Banning proposed could be implemented at
a time that there is development in this

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watershed but is probably not um not
worth the cost at this time to the

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agricultural land owners. And then the
repair of the previous um regulated

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drains from 1890 and 1973. That solution
that Banning proposed um could be

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implemented at any time to reduce some
of the reoccurring claims in this

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wershed to repairs to those still
functioning but um old regulated drains

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are in poor condition.

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Any other comments from the board?
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back [clears throat]
and read everything from the 1973 or 78

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I don't remember 76. There's two or
three of them where they tried it

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earlier in the 70s and then again in the
later 70s which follows similar to the

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uh it actually goes different than the
1890 because it kind of went right

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through the middle but they did not
vacate any of that drain when they redid

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it in 2009 and and rerouted it a little
different way. So we still do have a

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ride of way along where the 197070s
reconstruction went. So, we do have the

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option to go in there and uh repair that
if needed or bust up some of the

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the old clay that we keep on repairing
that doesn't need to be there. You know,

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it'd be something that we'd have to dig
this after the crops are off and kind of

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assess where it's at. So, we do have the
ride ofway there to do necessary

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changes. I was just hoping that they
didn't vacate it when they redid it in

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2009 and they did. So,
>> would you look more into that proposed

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um 15-inch repair solution that Banning
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» And once once the crops are off of Mr.
Wright's field, um could you report back

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to the board on on an implementation
plan for that solution?

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» Yeah, we can I can do that. Um, and
another issue that we have when they

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when they lay the tile next to the old
tile, which is something you guys know I

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don't like. There's a lot of times we'll
lay the new tile with a a field plow and

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it'll be a foot, sometimes two foot
taller than the old clay tile, and

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sometimes it's hard to get that to line
up and drain right on

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on a deal. So once we get out there,
punch some holes, kind of figure out how

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we want to lay that out within our ride
of way, it'll be a pretty cost effective

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uh addition or to the already 2009 uh
reconstruction. So I can get that

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together once crops are off. You live
out there, some other people, if you see

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the crops are off, give me a call and we
can get a contractor out there to punch

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some holes and kind of lay out what
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not.
The other two issues that we had with

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this previous reconstruction was
recording the actual path of the 2009

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installation. Um could you make sure
that that was properly recorded in 2009

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and if not take the steps to record the
location of the current installation?

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» Absolutely. If it's if it's not and this
is the same thing I was going to bring

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up with the
uh the ditch that we took in on 700

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East. I was I'm going to contact a land
surveyor to go ahead and record the the

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legal description of that so I can get
it in into the cards, get it on the

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rules, and make sure all our rideways
are good for that. So now that we'll

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have two, it'll be easier for them to
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» And the last issue was the um separating
the watershed accounts of the A

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McConnell wershed from the rest of the
county. Um I believe that banning will

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provide a um a GPS coordinates of the
outline of this watershed. Um Mr.

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Surveyor, what what steps would be
required to separate this watershed

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account from the rest of the county?

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if if he gives the roles with each uh
property on there and their uh property

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ID and what acreages are on there, then
we can separate that out.

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Uh as of right now, it would be the same
uh ditch assessment unless that changes,

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but we could separate it out. Yes. If he
gives if he gives me the all the partial

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numbers and acreage
uh we can separate all that out if we

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separate it out before anyways. But if
we're not going to do a reconstruction

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then why is that?
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separate this out so in the event of a
future implementation of alternative one

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or two the surface water or the 30 and
36 in we would be ready to um to

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separate those from the rest of the
county. The other issue is is this

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15-inch repair work that Banning had
proposed. I believe it is alternative

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three. Um that would be advertised over
20 years and um that would be assessed

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to only this watershed. Although the
cost is small um I believe that this

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would be an opportunity for us to um to
figure out the necessary steps to

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separate watersheds um to separate
watersheds account accounts.

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» Do them all. No, we're not going to do
them all. Not right yet.

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» Just one at a time.
>> One at a time, please.

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» Now, what was the 20 year?
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replacement can be advertised over 20
years because it's a repair of an

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existing repair.
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advertised over five years.
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about. [clears throat]
Reconstruction should be over 20 instead

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of five. But anyhow, any other comments?
>> So, if it's just a repair, could we we

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couldn't just pay for it out of our
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» We could
we could, but I think this is an

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opportunity to separate the wershed to
the wersheds. So, that someone across

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the county is not paying for repair in
Monroe Township.

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» And Mr. Mayor,
>> yes, sir.

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» In past history, there is those
split out somewhere along the line,

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isn't it?
>> Yeah, I believe a McConnell was actually

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the last time they split out. Last time
they reconstructed it. So, we just take

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the parcels, split them up the way that
uh engineer says, and if there's a they

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have to pay an extra assessment, then we
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» that watershed.
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» Thank you. Any other questions,
comments?

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» Are we expecting I mean, are we done
with banning? Have they done all their

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work? I I think other than the um the
roles with property ID and the acreage

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that the surveyors ask for um I don't
believe there is anything else that is

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outstanding from banning. I believe they
have completed everything that we've

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asked them to do

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a motion
>> since it is tabled business. Um

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I think we should I motion to remove
this from the table and close the issue.

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Second. I
>> have a motion before us properly.

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Second. Roll call.
>> Mr. Redhead.

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» Yes. Mr. Hamilton.
>> Yes. Commissioner.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Christie.

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» Yes. Mr.
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» Bruce somebody Moravis jurisdiction open
ditch, please.

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» Uh, yeah.
He he approached about us taking this

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open ditch in as a regulated drain
because the town of Selma doesn't have

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enough money to or funds. I don't know
really what he said to maintain this

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ditch. Uh I I last month if you can
remember right I didn't know what the

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proper procedure was because we haven't
received a

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any any type of uh document that is
asking us to take this in as a regulated

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drain. So, I asked uh Stribble to look
into that and do would we did we figure

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anything out on that?
>> So, we've been working on this and I

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have a couple of things I want to go
over with you on um some mapping so that

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I can clarify
>> which I which of the two things I need

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to do. Okay.
>> Um because when I what I thought I was

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working on, Selma was questioning um
some of the area to the north of it.

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Okay. So, I want to go over the exact
details of the mapping and then I've

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already started working on letters for
the town to reach out to the land

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owners. Um, so the town's working on
their side of it as well, so we can kind

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of track this together and then they'll
get a formal proposal that we're putting

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together to present to you guys. Um, we
just didn't have time to get it all done

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within the last month. So, we are
actively working on it and then Bruce

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will come up and present that to you
guys as soon as we're we've got our

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heads around everything and got the
consents from all the land owners

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because it seemed like that was
something that this board would want to

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have in consideration when looking at
the requests. So,

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so I believe we just leave that table.

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Moving on. Recctor drain reconstruction.
>> If you guys remember last month, I

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presented a report on the recctor drain
that we've had a couple people file

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petition to reconstruct.
And uh my biggest issue was is 80% of

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it's through wetlands. So, I wanted to
get with the DNR to make sure that the

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mitigation costs wouldn't put us over
the threshold

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for uh you know, profitable
reconstruction for the the farmers and

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the other land owners involved. DNR did
get back to me. Uh they do not require

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per permits for working on tiles, and
this is a the whole drain is a tile

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drain. There's no open ditch to it.
Uh so they wouldn't require any

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mitigation or any any permits for us to
go in there and reconstruct it. Uh they

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have a special process for surveyors to
get permits to the DNR and that only

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applies to open drains. He tagged uh the
the guy the gentleman from DNR

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uh CCD the IDM and asked them if they
would have an issue with it. Please get

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back with me. they have not got back
with me on it. So, uh, as of now, as far

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as the DNR is concerned, and I assume
the IDM, they're not very good at

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getting back sometimes,
uh, I don't see that they have a problem

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with us exploring reconstruction on this
on the recctor drain tile.

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» Any questions? Do we have a properly
signed petition for reconstruction on

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this?
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Um, I I did talk to Mr. Cox about this
reconstruction. I believe he was on the

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petition and he may not have understood
the uh what the reconstruction entails.

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» Okay.
>> Um I I would like to go over this with

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Mr. Cox. He was waiting to hear back
from the DNR. Um I I do not know that

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he's continues to support this
reconstruction.

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» Okay. Well, uh just let us know and
we'll go from there. I

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» I believe this should remain on the
table for another month because I I

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believe if Mr. Cox removes himself from
the petition. I don't know if we have

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the proper amount of land. I agree. So,
>> okay. It'll stay t This is a time we

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have set [clears throat] forth for
public comment. Anyone wishing to speak,

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please come forth. State your name,
address, and your concerns.

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» Yeah. Skyler Southern, 613 Northwood. Uh
you guys been working on a regulated

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drain out there and I've got part of
that drain that runs right through my

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property. It is not shedding water
enough and I've got three properties

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that are flooded. Um we're trying to
renovate them. We renovated them, put

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about 50 grand in each one of them and
uh this morning I've got about 6 in of

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water through all three of them. I'm
just looking for direction on if I can

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handle this personally or did the county
do it, the surveyor. I'm just not quite

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sure.
>> Mr. surveyor.

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» Yeah. What we have it's what' you say
616

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» 613
>> 613

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» north north.
>> We have a tile that runs north of all of

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the properties. The tiles in flowing
condition. I walked out there. I believe

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I had a lady call about a month ago.

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And you can see these are all the
properties talking about you're

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renovating. It look like it looked like
most of them were all

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» and if you look
just just north of where the last one

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is, we have a tile that runs through
there. It's a small 8 in tile that

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drains that. But the the issue is is it
doesn't drain any of this stuff.

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That water run straight down right down
the road.

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Thank you. Thank you. Now, there is
there is a

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say like a a bridge that crosses
Northwood.

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» South of his location right here.
>> So, what county road? Where where we at?

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» Oh, my fault. Let me let me zap out.
You're just north of 32,

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» east of Selma.
>> Yes.

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» East of the 700 East project you're
working on. That's part of the same

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brown ditch. This is uh
>> 32.

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» This is 32. This is Selma. And then this
is Northwood right here. It's a It's a

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little T- road to the north.

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And as you can see right here, we have a
tile that runs north of his north

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property.
And that's that's flowing. Where I think

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the issue is, and I've talked to the
county highway,

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is there's a bridge right here or a
large culvert, excuse me, where it's 34

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of the way full. I think I've asked them
to remove

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the
the dirt underneath that. I don't know

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if they've done it yet. I don't think
they have. Have you know stand? Okay.

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But I guess the the issue that I have is
yes, we have a tile that runs north of

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all that, but I don't have, you know,
the tiles flowing. I don't really have a

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a way to tie in tie them in.

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Yeah. Just to try to try to relieve some
of the water that actually got to the

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tile. with it. The issue is a lot of
it's

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a lot of it's coming down the road and
and from the back side of the property,

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not really
from our area.

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» I think I got about seven, eight acres
right there that go behind those. I was

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going to parcel those off and try to
sell them to a farmer farmer, but you

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know, at this point, I can dig a
retention pond or something to to just

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shed that water away from that low spot.
>> Now, if you dug a retention pond, I

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think the board would be okay with you
tying the outfall of that retention pond

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into that tile, and that'd give you
someplace to go, at least with the the

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outfall.
But it's just a low it's a low area, and

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there's really no good good place to
take the water. That's that's the issue.

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Yeah, it all pools right on a pump
station. Um,

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» perceptic,

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» but they're I mean, all three properties
are pretty much worthless. Can't do

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anything with them. Can't occupy them.
Can't do anything until until I fix this

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problem.

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» Tom, what kind of shape's that 8 in in?
Is it pretty good?

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» I like I said, we sunk another breather
in there about three or four years ago.

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It was in the plastic and it was flowing
fine. And I went out there a month like

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a month ago, but it was empty. So I, you
know, I assume it's flowing. It wasn't

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backed up. Now I haven't really been to
where daylights and maybe through this

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woods when it comes where it comes
through this woods. Maybe that's

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something we can clear out of there on
top of it and make sure that it's

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flowing at at its proper,
you know, volume. But like I said, the

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the biggest issue is the
I can bring on the it's kind of hard to

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see up here, but the biggest issue is
this water pools the pools back here and

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there's really no way to get it to there
that I can do. You know, I can make sure

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that that tiles in and you can point it
out

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» and it's like an L shape right now. So
all that water is sitting right here and

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right through here. But uh I mean I'm
I'm going to go strip all this out. Try

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to
any sort of water movement, but it all

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right right there.

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» Oh, Mr. Mayor, you will look at that 8
in on down the line.

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» Yeah, like I said, it was last time I
was out there, it was flowing.

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I think there needs to be some work on
his part on the on the private ground

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for a way to get water to it, whether
it's a retention pond to hold that water

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for a while. I mean, obviously the last
couple days it's extreme situation, but

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we still don't want water on the houses,
>> right?

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» So, I I can meet you out there at some
point or

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however you want to do it, but we need
to get a way to get hold that water for

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a little bit. Like I said, a retention
pond would be a ve a very nice addition

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to that, but I know they're also
expensive and uh

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you know, I don't know if that 8 in will
handle all that water at once. There's a

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lot of area that drains right right down
there where he's talking about. And it's

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it's it's bad on both sides of the road
out there. It's just not it's just not

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this uh west side. The east side gets a
lot of water, too. Especially down here

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south [snorts]
down in this area.

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It's a it's just a low area.
>> Where's that 8 inch out outlet at?

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» Uh it ties into here and then it it ties
into the brown ditch right here. 700. It

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ties into that tile that here's a here's
that ditch that we took in and where we

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had the one reconstruction. All this
ties into that. That's why when we had

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the
engineers put together the list of

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affected properties, as you can see, all
these properties, all these properties

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are involved in that reconstruction.

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All right.
if you'll get with this gentleman and

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see if we can come to some conclusion,
Mr. Syer.

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» Yes, absolutely.
>> Hopefully, we can work something out.

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» Sounds good. I appreciate
>> Thank you.

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» Yep. Thanks.
>> Anyone else wishing to speak? Come

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forth.

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New business, Mr. Surveyor.
>> Yes. Uh, let me put this in real quick.

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So, this is the new bond permit
application that we will be seeing now

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on. Yeah, like I said, I've signed off
on a couple that didn't have a regulated

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drain near it. Just kind of there's been
two other ones that have came through

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since we've done it, and I've signed off
on two of them. There wasn't a regulated

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drain near it. It wasn't really a
drainage issue, and so I went ahead and

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signed off on that. Now, this one, uh,

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I've got the right here's a copy of
what, uh, Mr. Snider

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gave me and I was out there. This is a
very wet area. So, he's going to try to

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put that pond right in here. And so,
he's seeking a reduction of ride of way

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to 20 ft next to this ditch. It's this
isn't the ditch here. It's right in the

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middle if you can see it. So, the pond
will go right around in here. [snorts]

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And he 20 feet where we can get down
obviously both sides of that ditch. And

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then he would like to tie the outfall
into the ditch. So he needs a reduction

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of rideway to 20 feet just in a couple
sections right here. And then also an

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approval to tie into the Stewart ditch.
If you look

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at his neighbors,

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there's a bunch of them that have ponds
right just like that all along here. Uh,

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I don't really see an issue with it.
Like I said, this is a very wet area.

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Even Beacon lays the
lays it in like it's around that area.

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So, I don't I don't see an issue with
it. I think it'll slow some of the water

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movement into the ditch, which is always
nice. Uh, the only issue I'd have is

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reducing that down to 20 ft.
the ditch bank would be our

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responsibility, but if something happens
to the pond bank, if it collapses or if

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it fails at some point and we can't get
equipment down there, which granted we

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can get on the other side, but I would
like to have some kind of stipulation

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that we can go in there and fix it at
the cost of the landowner. We've done

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that before in the past.

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» Any questions? How much how much
distance is sufficient of right away to

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maintain that ditch on the same side?
>> 20 feet is as low as I'll go. Usually

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it's 35
uh 20 ft in some kind of in a very uh

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urban setting where they've built the
house basically on the ditch already and

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they're looking to remodel the house.
We've went down to 20 ft. you know,

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that's typically big enough to get a
excavator, a pickup truck, or any kind

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of equipment through there.
But, as I said in the past, I've seen

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where they've built a pond next to a
ditch like that. The ditch moves or the

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pond breaks down and sometimes that 20
ft becomes 10 ft real fast.

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Mr. Bosel, you're out there. any
observation?

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» I think it'll be okay. Um, it's back
where the old Cunningham Park was, isn't

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it?
>> Or Cummins Park. And there was a pond

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back in there at one time.
>> That entire

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» Sir, would you please, we need to get it
recorded. Thank you.

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» It helps my secretary.
>> I'm sorry. That entire valley you see

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there used to be a reservoir dam lake.
It was 4 and a half to 5 acres. And the

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Cumins family when the old man was put
in a nursing home got worried about

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liability, somebody going in there and
drowning. So they had the dam removed.

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So our our choice was to not replace the
dam, but rather just dig down from the

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existing level so that we don't change
water level on anyone else's property.

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The cabin that you see in the picture is
at an elevation of 935 ft above sea

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level and the valley floor where we want
to put the pond is right at 900 above

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sea level. So there's a 35 ft drop. It's
difficult to appreciate that in this

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picture, but the topographical me there
you go. That's quite a steep hillside

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that goes down to that valley.
The entire north shoreline of Steuart

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Ditch in the east will always be
accessible to work from. And I'm not

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concerned about the county if they come
in and dredge it and and tear up the

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dirt in my dam along the pond. I'm not
concerned about that. I've got a

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backhoe. I'll fix it. I got 70 acres
worth of dirt to fix it.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir.

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» Thank you. Any other
questions or concerns here?

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» So, Mr. Surveyor, what what is your
recommendation for the ultra right

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ofway? Should it be 20 ft, 25 ft, 35 ft
or unchanged?

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» Well, I I think where this
where this pond's going to sit and

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looking at other ponds that have been
constructed years ago, the same 20 ft. I

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I I think 20 ft would just be fine with
me, you know. Uh, I think that'll give

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us proper to get in there, but we also
can always get in there on the north

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side, too. So,

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» and what legal agreement will we put in
place? Um, if we reduce this right away,

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» we'll have a I think Jennifer's got one
to sign. It's a reduction of rideway and

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then he'll take that to the recorder's
offices and get it signed. So if you try

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to build something or someone builds
something on there that they know that

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the ride ofways reduced down from 75 ft
to 20 ft. And then also

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because you're going to outfall into
that you're going to outfall into the

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ditch. Correct. So then we just need a
to put in the minutes a motion that he

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can tie into the Steuart ditch from the
outfall to the newly built pond.

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» I had one more comment.
>> Yes. where I concerned

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» that area is half private land and the
other half is classified forest

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wildlands property. Nothing can be built
there. So, it's going to remain a a

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natural wildlife area for all future
generations for as long as I'm alive.

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Whoever buys the property after me has
to continue that classified program or

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pay the back taxes to the tune of 14 to
$20,000 just to get started.

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» Thank you.
>> What's the pleasure?

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» I motion to reduce the right of way to
20 ft in this area

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as requested.
>> I'll second it.

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Have a motion before us and properly
second. Roll call, please.

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» Mr.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Rick,

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» yes.
>> Mr. Christie,

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» yes. Mr.
>> Yes.

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» Thank you, Mr. Snder.
>> Thank you.

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» Are you also going to do a motion to tie
into the ditch?

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» Yeah. I I motion to to approve the
requested overflow into the regulated

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drain.

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» Second.
>> I have a motion before properly second.

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Roll call.
>> Mr. Whitehead?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Hamilton?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Reagan?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Christie?

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» Yes.
>> Mr. B?

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00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:38,400
» Yes. Old business. Mr. Ser.
>> Yeah. Mr. Snder. We'll have a a paper in

415
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,599
our office probably tomorrow at some
point, but we'll have it in there. You

416
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,960
just You'll need to take it down to the
recorder's office and get that recorded.

417
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,720
» Mr. Swear.
>> Mr. Swear.

418
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,720
» Yeah.
>> Your able's assistant has I think.

419
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,560
» I mean, at some point we'll have it,
right?

420
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,000
» I have it right here. Okay.
>> They just have to sign it. Do we need to

421
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,720
get a copy of it for our office or not?
>> Um,

422
00:39:57,359 --> 00:40:02,720
» yeah. So, probably tomorrow at the
earliest, but uh

423
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,200
it's ready.
>> Sure, 100%.

424
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:12,800
» Yes, I do. [clears throat]
>> Thank you. Thank you.

425
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,760
» Yes, you can leave. [laughter]
>> Old business.

426
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:22,240
» Uh yeah, the first thing is is the the
our journey's maintenance interest. Uh

427
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:26,720
do you want to speak on this? I think we
may have folks that will speak on us.

428
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,160
» Okay.
>> In the back.

429
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:35,320
» In the back perhaps.
>> Name. Tanya. Brad.

430
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,320
» Sorry.

431
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:46,320
» Hi. Tanya Dunmore, Chief Deputy Auditor.
>> I'm Brad P, County Treasurer.

432
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:51,839
Um, I talked to John on the phone and I
just kind of went over with him on some

433
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:55,760
details of what we did with DCCC and he
understood all of it, but he said, you

434
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:59,359
know, he's just one of the board
members, so he just wanted it to be

435
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,480
presented to the rest of the board
members so that everybody understood. I

436
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:10,079
don't know if he spoke to any of you
about what we talked about on the phone.

437
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Um, but basically you guys just need to
come up with the amount that you are

438
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:24,560
willing to invest. Um, and then Brad, he
takes care of the actual investment. He

439
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:32,400
his office takes care of all the banking
where we're the funds. So we would um we

440
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:38,400
can show the amount that you choose to
invest from your um such fund whatever

441
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:43,760
fund number it is and we can show that
on a separate line so that you can see

442
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:49,040
oh yeah that's our invested amount. This
is what we're still working with kind of

443
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:55,680
thing as far as like cash flow. Um and
then we would also create a revenue fund

444
00:41:52,560 --> 00:42:01,839
number in order for the interest to go
into. However, his office, they do the

445
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,640
interest. They would take care of
receiving that interest. They would take

446
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:12,240
care of quite in that interest on a
monthly basis. Um and they track

447
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:18,560
everything. They can supply you with
statement of course in order to show um

448
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,760
your earnings and such, but they would
take care of everything on a monthly

449
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:31,200
basis. As far as um lucrative, I guess
you'd say, as far as getting your hands

450
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:37,200
on the money um at all times, you can
within a day because it's like a EFT

451
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:41,520
transfer. But what I also explained that
wouldn't be something that the treasur's

452
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:46,800
office would want to have to do
constantly for you. So, you would want

453
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:53,839
to pick an investment amount that you
can kind of invest and not really have

454
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:58,240
to use um on a constant basis, I guess,
just for convenience-wise for his office

455
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:02,960
cuz that would be a lot on them to
constantly have to move that back and

456
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:08,640
forth between where he takes it from in
order to where he puts it to. So the

457
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:15,359
place that he was going to invest into
is called Trust Indiana and that is a

458
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:21,920
pool um within Indiana. It was created
at the state level um by the treasur

459
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:27,440
few years back quite a few years back. I
forget what year it was and it's a pool

460
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:32,880
investment of all the counties in
Indiana. Whoever wants to invest into

461
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:37,680
that they can and therefore it pays at a
higher interest. Um and he has that

462
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,359
interest rate as far as what it's paying
right now. [clears throat]

463
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:48,560
» So right now currently um we just got
our statement. They're paying 3.6193%.

464
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Compare that to what some of our other
accounts we have here locally. Um

465
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:59,280
they're in the 1.75 to 2 and a half
range. So it's quite a bit over. So more

466
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:02,079
than a percent over what is the going
rate I guess.

467
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:07,119
because there's power with, you know,
with there's the the investment power

468
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,640
with a lot of money uh throughout the
state so they can get better rates.

469
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:18,000
» Thank you. Any questions?
>> Mr. Surveyor, in this account, we have

470
00:44:16,055 --> 00:44:20,560
[snorts] two deposits a year for the
collected ditch assessments.

471
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,079
» Yeah, we have two draws a year on it.
Correct.

472
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:27,040
» And then we have 12 um withdrawals for
the claims that we approve every month.

473
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Is that correct?
>> Correct. Are there any other withdrawals

474
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:37,280
that we would expect from this account?
>> I don't I don't believe so. It's just

475
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:44,079
the our maintenance. Yeah. So, it would
just be 12 or 12 We take Yep. 12 a year.

476
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:49,359
» Is that acceptable to the treasur's
office if we have two deposits and 12

477
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:53,920
withdrawals a year in this account?
>> Um,

478
00:44:51,680 --> 00:45:00,560
yeah. Because I mean with the deposits I
mean we could you know basically to get

479
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:07,520
initially set up we'd won a number um I
think when we met with the board of

480
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:12,720
finance and they approved um this um I
think there was about a million dollars

481
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:17,520
total. Now, if you don't want to invest
all that, I mean, with I don't invest

482
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:21,359
all the county count's money in trust
Indiana because they want to have the

483
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:27,680
commissioner's council, they want to
have access to it like very quickly. Um,

484
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:31,520
which we can get it if it's on a a
weekday, we can get it the next day. I

485
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:37,040
mean, that's the thing. That's the nice
thing with Trust Indiana. It it is very

486
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:42,640
liquid, so we can get our hands on it.
Um but yeah, it shouldn't be any problem

487
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:49,040
of getting that the two deposits and
then um just a monthly withdrawal

488
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:52,720
on that.
>> Did the did the board of finance give

489
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,480
you an estimate of what they would
suggest?

490
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:01,280
» They did not. I don't think they they
you know it would be up to whatever they

491
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,319
whatever this board is comfortable with
asking.

492
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:13,760
Um, just to kind of give you an idea, if
you look at say 500,000 at the current

493
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:20,000
rate, it's about $18,000 a year. Um, if
you invested a million dollars is you're

494
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:24,560
doubling that 36 about 36,000
per year.

495
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:28,079
» So, countywide, how do you break it up
as far as what you invest and what you

496
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:35,599
keep?
So locally we have to keep at least 50%

497
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:40,640
um in our in in local banks and so
that's kind of where we're at. We have

498
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:46,079
some in Trust Indiana. We have some in
United Fidelity which is out of

499
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:52,560
Evansville. They're paying four over 4%.
So they're at like 4.34. So

500
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:57,520
we've got a large sum in there. So we
just kind of look at honestly what what

501
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:07,359
we're getting the best rates on.
with with keeping in within that 50%

502
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:12,640
uh local 50% outside of outside of local
you know what we look at

503
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:18,720
in trust Indiana it's about right now
I've got about 10% of

504
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:25,839
the county's money in trust Indiana and
it's probably look at with the rates

505
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:30,800
look at maybe moving that to maybe 15%
so I I mean it's all liquid. I mean

506
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,880
that's that's the nice thing with trust
Indiana is we get the next day.

507
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:44,319
» Right now in the in the maintenance fund
we have almost $1.2 million. But my

508
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:48,640
suggestion would be to at least leave
out let's say like $200,000

509
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:53,200
and that way we always have enough in
there to pay the next month's claims.

510
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,599
things happen, computers go down, and
I'd hate to hold up payment to

511
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:00,720
contractors and distributors if we don't
get the money transferred over in time

512
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:06,240
or something happens. I mean, that's
what my suggestion would be, at least to

513
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:10,800
leave a month's worth of uh money in
there to to pay out our uh account

514
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:16,000
payables.
>> And Danielle, we wouldn't have to have a

515
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:22,640
board meeting to
change it or how we

516
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:29,280
what do you mean? Well, if he's just
suggesting in case we would need more

517
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:33,280
to use.
>> The commissioners had to approve this

518
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:38,559
entire process.
>> Yeah, the commissioners have already

519
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:42,720
approved the interest account. Do you
are you asking like if you wanted to

520
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,359
change the amount you invested as this
board?

521
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:46,359
» Right.

522
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:55,200
» Yes. I Yeah. So my recommendation is
make sure you leave out enough that you

523
00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:00,240
don't have right.
>> If I may add to that as well um since I

524
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:07,680
am in the auditor's office and we do
deal with the claims and such and I know

525
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:13,200
um what the his um deputy has to do in
order to process those. I would have to

526
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:19,440
agree with him that that is a wise idea
because you have to put in for your PO

527
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:24,319
process that has to be approved before
that person can even do a claim. Well,

528
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:30,400
they can't get their PO approved unless
there's money there um for the auditors

529
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:35,440
to say yes, that fund has availability.
So, if we're waiting on uh the treasurer

530
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:41,520
in order to get the money, in order to
get a quota to stand in, I mean, it kind

531
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:45,920
of jams you up in the pay process. I
mean, you know, I I don't know how much

532
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,800
he he can suggest the amount. I'm just
saying the process of it. There is a

533
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:56,000
kind of like a timely process of it to
get it all [clears throat] finalized. So

534
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:00,559
then the next time we got a draw, we
would have to have maybe a little

535
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:06,480
discussion as to how much of that draw
went into which to which account,

536
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:08,720
whether we wanted to invest it or not
invest it.

537
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:12,319
» Yeah. Would it automatically come into
the 2700 account? And then once that's

538
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:17,359
in there, I would let the board know
because it's not always it's always not

539
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:21,599
always the same date every year. Um, and
then once once it's the fall taxes is

540
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,680
the next one coming up. And when that
gets in there, I say, "Hey, listen. We

541
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:29,920
got and it's usually,
you know, a fifth of what the spring

542
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:33,760
taxes are for our board. It's not 50/50
like a lot of other ones." I would let

543
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:39,119
you guys know, hey, this is what we got
in there. It's $10,000. Do you want to

544
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:44,400
leave that in the maintenance of fund to
pay out or do you want to invest it and

545
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:47,040
we can go from there? Uh, how would
probably be the easiest way.

546
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:53,040
» [snorts]
>> The auditor's office by law have to have

547
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:58,800
the settlement distri distributed to all
the units by the 31st of June andor

548
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,599
December.
>> Right.

549
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,400
» His most chunk of his money comes in the
spring.

550
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:09,280
» Yeah. Because like I said, it's a $10
for most people's $10 and they just pay

551
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:15,520
that in the spring instead of splitting
it up five and five.

552
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:19,280
So Tom, if we put 700,000 in the Trust
Indiana account and then the rest

553
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,400
outside of it,
>> I mean, that's what I would do. You

554
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:26,319
know, I always feel better with money in
the bank that we can pay something comes

555
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:32,400
up, you know.
>> Does that seem reasonable to you folks?

556
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,440
» Um, I I would think so. I don't do your
do your budget but [laughter]

557
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:39,760
» well I mean it push
>> but you got over a million dollars. So

558
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:44,880
yeah I think that leaves what you say
that leaves you $500,000 basically if

559
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:51,119
you got 1.2. So I mean I I I don't know
your um expenses I guess. Um, but

560
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,400
» typically once or twice a year we'll
have like this month we'll have one over

561
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,079
100,000 but for the most part they're
usually 40 to 60,000 every month

562
00:51:57,180 --> 00:52:04,400
[snorts]
>> with with our this month's claims being

563
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:08,480
$100,000. Um, I'm inclined to to make a
motion would be to put a million in

564
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:13,520
Trust Indiana. That would leave us with
$200,000 in our account. That would pay

565
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:18,480
for this month's claims and give us
cushion for the next month. and then

566
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:22,880
every subsequent month as we approve
claims pull those out of the trust

567
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:28,400
Indiana account. Does that seem
feasible?

568
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:34,400
» Now on that I mean with I mean we're you
know we we have a lot of different

569
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:38,880
accounts that we really would rather not
every month be pulling money out of

570
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:43,119
there and having to maintain it. um you
know quarterly maybe doing something

571
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:48,079
like that because that otherwise it puts
a lot of burden on my back office the

572
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:53,200
bookkeepers uh in my office too you know
because there's now another uh

573
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:59,680
department that also we're we're having
trust Indiana funds on and so with you

574
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:06,640
know doing the regular job this is kind
of in it in addition to and so um I

575
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:10,640
would recommend maybe having enough for
three months

576
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:16,240
um and doing maybe a quarterly
withdrawal on the, you know, on that if

577
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:20,720
we if you needed to. Obviously, if
you're looking at a million dollar,

578
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:26,400
you're looking at probably about $3,000,
you know, $3,500 a year a month in

579
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:31,280
interest, that would be going back into
that account. So, that kind of offsets

580
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:36,400
the 40. But um yeah, I would say
probably doing having enough in there

581
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:41,920
for to cover at least three months and
maybe even a fourth month just in case.

582
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Um so it's roughly what about a4
million. So um you know, wherever that

583
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:53,520
leaves you with what your balance is,
you know, 1.2 and if you had four months

584
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:59,200
of it, um you know, you're looking
probably 200,000. So yeah, I I would

585
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:03,040
think with a million you should be okay.
Maybe 900,000,

586
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,920
but that's totally up to the board.
>> I think typically that one

587
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:08,559
» we'll invest whatever you guys tell us
to.

588
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:12,720
» That 1.2 is a little higher than normal
investment. [laughter] I mean it seemed

589
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:17,760
to me mean like a lot of months it's 800
to a million.

590
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:22,319
» Correct. We last last year we saved
saved about 300 400,000 back into the

591
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:27,200
debt maintenance account. So we're a
little bit higher than normal. But also

592
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:31,359
right now we've basically used the
majority of our spring money already. So

593
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,960
I you know I'm not sure what we're going
to get in the fall, but we're not going

594
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:38,400
to have
you know I we're going to be lower than

595
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:43,599
what we started the year with obviously
because we did a lot of we've done a lot

596
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:50,240
of work and a lot of good things. But
Mr. P suggested, I I'd rather have

597
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,680
I'd rather have more money in our
maintenance account to pay out than

598
00:54:53,280 --> 00:55:00,160
having to worry about it every month
between

599
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:04,720
» uh Jennifer, Tanya, and everybody, you
know, and then when when she puts in the

600
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:09,359
the claims, there's not enough money
there. And then we have to wait a couple

601
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:13,760
days. And it's we don't get our invoices
usually until late Thursday, early

602
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:19,599
Friday. We have to have all those
entered then approved

603
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:24,240
uh by Wednesday morning. That only
leaves us a couple days to do all that

604
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,160
paperwork. And it's uh I would like to
have enough money in there that we don't

605
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:35,440
have to worry about pulling it pulling
money out of Trust Indiana to cover this

606
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:40,240
month's uh payables
uh in two days, three days basically

607
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,119
Friday to Wednesday. So, you know, you
guys do what you want, but I'd rather

608
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,680
have
extra money in there just to cover it in

609
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:53,920
case we have a big month, something
happens or,

610
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:58,000
you know, Trust Indiana goes down or
anything like that. There's nothing

611
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:01,920
worse than being a contractor or someone
expecting you only get paid once a month

612
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,520
and then you're going to have to wait an
extra month because of a clerical error

613
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:13,119
on our fault or someone else's fault.
What if we did 800,000 now and then

614
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,920
watch and see where we're at? Then if we
see we're carrying okay, we can always

615
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,040
add to it, can't we?
>> That that would give us $400,000,

616
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,640
» correct?
>> Of cash.

617
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:25,760
» We could even do if we did 900, that
gives us 300,000. I

618
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,040
» I think 300,000 would be sufficient. I
mean, this month is $100,000 worth of

619
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:32,160
claims, which is the highest that we've
ever had,

620
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:37,520
» right?
>> But Joe, we've been doing 800 to 1.2 two

621
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:41,200
million just sitting there and
>> most people didn't say word.

622
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,839
» You were right. You were right. But
yeah,

623
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:47,599
so Wayne did
>> 300,000 should get us through shipment.

624
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:51,359
That gives a pretty good buffer.
>> That would be three months worth at the

625
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,960
at the at the minimum.
>> Yeah.

626
00:56:51,760 --> 00:57:01,520
» Okay. I I make a motion to move $900,000
trust.

627
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:05,280
» I'll second that.
I have a motion before properly. Second.

628
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,480
Roll call.
>> Mr. W.

629
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,559
» Yes.
>> Yes.

630
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,240
» Commissioner.
>> Yes.

631
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,000
» Mr. Christy.
>> No.

632
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,799
» Mr.
>> Yes.

633
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:23,640
» All right. Thank you.
>> Approval of maintenance claims. Any

634
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,640
questions, concerns here on maintenance?

635
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,920
A motion to approve the maintenance
claims.

636
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:44,480
» I'll second it. Have a motion before.
Proper second. Roll call.

637
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,119
» Yes.
>> Yes.

638
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:48,559
» Mr.
>> Yes.

639
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:53,559
» Mr. B.
>> Yes.

640
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,559
Board comments.

641
00:57:54,559 --> 00:58:00,280
So, do we need to make a motion if we
want to split that

642
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:07,760
out for the m a McConnell
or what do we need to do there? If we

643
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:12,079
want to do that,
>> I I think the surveyor was investigating

644
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:16,960
what um what steps are required to split
that out and I will talk to Banning

645
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:21,520
about the few things that he asked for
and we will we will leave this on the

646
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:26,960
agenda for the next month. Okay. And as
far as splitting them out now, it,

647
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,000
you know, they won't know the difference
until

648
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:34,880
you send them out letters and say, "Hey,
we're going to raise the maintenance fee

649
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:38,880
for the a McConnell." So, right now,
it's going to be the same as the rest of

650
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:43,760
the county. We'll just know that instead
of break broken down into the four ones,

651
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:48,160
there's going to be a fifth one that
we'll have broke down. So, as far as

652
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,920
actual land owners out there right now,
they won't see a difference in it. it

653
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:57,680
would maybe show up on the bill as a
McConnell instead of Northwest, you

654
00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:03,200
know, whatever they're in. But that uh
until you guys make action

655
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:07,040
raise the maintenance fee for that
particular one, it'll be normal for all

656
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:13,160
the land owners. So,
>> and once we get that information

657
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,160
together, we'll do that to update.

658
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:26,480
» Any other comments from the board? Yeah,
I got a couple three things. Um

659
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:32,160
Tom, we had a contractor that uh was low
bidder on a couple of projects and did

660
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:39,680
that fellow kind of indicated that he
was not going to do them. He told me

661
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:45,440
that all his employees are hurt and all
his equipment's broken and the earliest

662
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:51,280
he could get to any of it was the end of
this month. So, I sent an email out to

663
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:54,960
the board members because
one of the one of the projects he had,

664
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:58,319
the one through country village, needs
to be done. It needs to get done this

665
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:03,599
time of year. Uh I like to do that
between June and July 15th. So, that's

666
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:09,839
that job is for the most part done right
now. Everybody's happy out there. Uh

667
01:00:07,359 --> 01:00:14,960
there's another one that I took away
from him because I, you know, there's no

668
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:18,240
sense of waiting on him now. I'm going
to add a section to it and we'll just re

669
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:22,160
quote that out for next year. It's on
the list. It's one over by Ball State.

670
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:27,280
There's another section I want to add on
it. So, yeah, he just basically said

671
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,200
that his equipment was broke and so was
his employees and he didn't know when he

672
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:35,440
could get to it.
>> So, so the country village job was

673
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,280
reassigned to
>> correct. And it's done.

674
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,119
» And the other job will be within the
next round of loops for debrushing.

675
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,799
» Right. There was a third one on there
too that I missed when I was

676
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:51,280
» and that will be within the next round
of votes for

677
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:56,640
» There's Yeah, there's a second one that
is on the other side of Country Village

678
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:59,680
that I awarded to Mr. What's I'm sorry,
what was his name? Jackson.

679
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:03,440
» Brian Jackson.
>> And he's going to start on that when the

680
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:08,720
corn is off. He was a second bidder on
that. So, as soon as corn comes off on

681
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,720
over there by uh LJ Stone, he'll start
on that ditch. the third one that's over

682
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:19,200
by Ball State.
We're going to rec quote that out on our

683
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:23,680
next package of quotes. Uh the reason I
did that, it's one that's be better to

684
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:29,280
do uh in the winter.
It's easier to see and it there's a lot

685
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:32,319
of traffic down those roads. Uh a lot of
people that like trees and it's easier

686
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:36,280
to do that sometimes in the winter when
it's not so obtrusive.

687
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:45,680
So then to kind of continue on that, um,
and I think we've touched on it in the

688
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:51,440
past a little bit, these contractors
that take these jobs on and then they

689
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:56,839
either don't do them or they don't do
them correctly,

690
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,839
do we have recourse?

691
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:05,200
» I mean, potentially. I guess each
situation is going to depend on what the

692
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:11,920
circumstances are. I mean, do we need
for them going into this to sign or some

693
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,839
way to make sure that they understand
that if they take these jobs on, they

694
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,839
have to do them and they have to do them
correctly?

695
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:27,440
» John, are you suggesting that we add
something like a 10% penalty for a

696
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:32,400
contractor who's not performing on a uh
on an awarded job?

697
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:37,200
» I I don't know. I just think we need to
I mean we've had a couple of these where

698
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:43,119
you know they they got off the hook
scotfree.

699
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:49,599
Uh I think you as a board have to decide
how serious you want to be about

700
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:54,880
pursuing those options, right? I mean
it's is it is the juice worth the

701
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:59,200
squeeze? So what are your damages? Is it
worth pursuing? That's and that's why I

702
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:04,799
say it's going to be each situation
you're going to have to look at

703
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:10,240
individually on what did the lack of
performance or the quality of the work

704
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:14,319
what damages did it cause the drainage
board is that worth something pursuing

705
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:19,039
from the scope of work that they were
engaged to do. So,

706
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,200
I guess that's about as lawyers and
answers you're going to get is

707
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:25,760
potentially. But
>> I I would just think if they stopped

708
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:31,359
getting the telephone calls, Tom, that
that would be enough warning that their

709
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:36,559
work wasn't
>> It doesn't It doesn't always help. The

710
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:39,680
one on the racer ditch I called what
three or four times a week would not

711
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:45,920
answer, you know.
>> You're not using him anymore, though.

712
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:52,880
» Well, he No, no, I'm not.
So initially when after we award these

713
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:58,400
jobs to the con to the low bidder is it
basically just a handshake deal?

714
01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:01,760
» He signs the specs and on the specs and
I can change the language and we can

715
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:05,680
clean up the language but the specs that
I have them sign in return with their

716
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:09,200
quote says you know the drainage board
is

717
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:13,039
uh you're not doing a good job. I can't
remember how I ever worded now that

718
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:18,960
you're there allowed to pull this job
from you at any time. Uh if you know I

719
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,640
can't remember how I put it off the top
of my head and I can

720
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:23,359
» we can look at
>> Yeah, we can get maybe clean that up a

721
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:27,200
little bit.
>> Could we put in there like at our

722
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:30,400
discretion we possibly could pursue
legal?

723
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,920
» I mean it should it should say that
anyway. But yeah, we we'll clean up the

724
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,920
language. He can get those to me. We can
take a look.

725
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,440
» Okay. I mean that's just my thoughts. I
don't know what anyone else

726
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:45,920
» I mean I would suggest not
>> but finding them because our our office

727
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:51,520
doesn't take any money in and that would
be kind of a I mean you can you could

728
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,559
find them by what you pay out. you can
take a percentage off what you pay them

729
01:04:53,440 --> 01:05:01,200
out. But as far as like ahead for every
day that you don't finish this job, you

730
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:05,839
pay us $250, which I've seen in other
contracts. I think that'd be hard for

731
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:09,920
our office to do because we have no
we're not set up to take any type of

732
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:16,039
payment right now or h or have never
been set up to take any payment. I don't

733
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,039
know why that is. We just are.

734
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:28,720
One more thing, at the last storm water
meeting, there was some discussion about

735
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:33,520
a rate cost of service study or
something. Uh, but in watching the

736
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:37,839
meetings, there was discussion about
drainage board could be affected in some

737
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:43,520
way.
Recall that.

738
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:47,280
Could anyone elaborate on that?
>> You want elaboration? Steven Brandell or

739
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,799
county commissioner's office. You want
uh elaboration on which part? That

740
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:54,799
there's a cost of service study being
performed or how it could potentially

741
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,839
impact the drainage board?
>> Yes,

742
01:05:55,359 --> 01:06:02,240
» both. So, there is a cost of service
study going to be performed so that we

743
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:05,520
understand the affordability index which
is uh basically a requirement

744
01:06:04,105 --> 01:06:09,200
[clears throat] and then it could impact
the drainage board as Mr. Borcher

745
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:14,000
brought up during the storm water board
meeting because sometimes they're

746
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:17,280
overlapping um responsibilities. I guess
maybe is maybe that's not the right word

747
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,039
to say. Mr. Borcher, would you say
that's the right word?

748
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:24,400
» That's correct.
>> So the cost of service study could

749
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:28,640
impact uh where there's a uh
responsibility by the drainage board uh

750
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:33,280
and there's overlapping responsibilities
between storm water and drainage. It's

751
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:36,720
it's very rare when it is because if
it's a regulated drain, it's our

752
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:43,599
responsibility.
But there's situations where it's either

753
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:47,359
vague or not drawn. You know, 1890
didn't say what was what. So, there will

754
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:51,920
be some overlapping responsibility and I
don't know if the cost of study will

755
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:55,119
point that out, but it may be. So, when
we get the study back, I can report back

756
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,160
to the drainage board on anything that I
feel is uh pertinent to the drainage

757
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,520
board.
>> Yeah. I think to Mr. Borcher's point, I

758
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:05,920
don't believe the cost of service study
will uh provide clarity on

759
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:09,200
responsibility between the drainage
board and the storm water board. What

760
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:14,160
the cost of service study does is it
goes out and it looks at your current

761
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:18,480
rate uh versus your um historical
expense expenditures plus any projects

762
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:21,680
that you have planned. So that's where
the drainage board would also come into

763
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:25,280
play. So we'll have to put out from the
storm water board's perspective, these

764
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,160
are the projects we have planned.
Drainage board, these are the projects

765
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:32,319
we have planned. And then it looks at
the affordability index. What what can

766
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:36,400
the taxpayers afford? And then we'll
have a recommendation back from uh the

767
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,920
municipal advisor. Let's make that up.
Say it's Baker Tilly. Uh they'll come

768
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:44,880
back and say based on your projects,
based on your historical expenditures

769
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:49,599
and based on the affordability uh in
your community, this is our recommended

770
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:53,440
rate uh that that they would recommend a
rate and then the storm water board

771
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:56,880
would have to adopt new rates.
>> Is there a fee for the study?

772
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,280
» Of course there is. That is our
expectation that we will help pay that

773
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,760
fee.
>> That hasn't been discussed, but I

774
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:06,720
appreciate you bringing that up. I'll
put it in my notes. [laughter]

775
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:11,200
» No problem.
>> Thanks, Mr. Christie.

776
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,480
» I think that's all.
>> Any other comments?

777
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:19,040
» May I
know there was a public comment section

778
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,400
already and I wasn't able to be here,
but

779
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:22,560
» it's been marked off.
>> Yeah,

780
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:26,400
» go right ahead. Commissioner. So, just
for everybody's awareness, the county

781
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:29,679
has been put in a yellow status due to
the flash flooding that we've had this

782
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:35,359
morning. We've had to close a couple of
roads, specifically Albany Pike from

783
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:39,839
Rainer to 700 East. Uh, Black Mill Road
from 67 to Old Granville and 300 South

784
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,560
Priest Ford around the river over by
Yorktown. I think those are pretty

785
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:51,199
typical. Also, uh I think that we should
take a look uh at the drain on the east

786
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:55,279
side of Cowan Road in front of Progress
Rail. Uh prog the front yard in Progress

787
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:59,279
Rail is completely flooded this morning.
I understand it's a flash flood event,

788
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:03,440
but that legal drain drains north to
Buck Creek. And when you get to 23rd

789
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:07,199
Street there where Midwest Metal is,
there's an inlet down in the ditch and

790
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:11,759
it's dry. There's no water running into
that, but Progress Rail is completely

791
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:17,040
flooded. Having said that, Progress Rail
just did some work out there. Uh they

792
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:22,080
put uh catch basins in their parking lot
and they cut up our trail and they came

793
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:25,600
and they drained into that open ditch
and they dipped the ditch out. Whether

794
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:29,600
they had permission to do any of that or
not, I don't know. I'm just letting you

795
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:33,839
guys know they did do some work and we
have the new housing project that's just

796
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:37,600
to the south of it where they just paved
their parking lot. So you have all that

797
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,799
sheet drain. So they have all that roof,
they have all that parking surface. So

798
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:45,520
all that impervious surface is now also
hitting that drain. Uh I believe Mr.

799
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:49,040
Bortra, isn't is that a legal drain?
>> So here's the issue with that drain. And

800
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:52,880
uh
when they were

801
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:57,120
building what whatever they're building
out there now, I can't I think it's

802
01:09:54,719 --> 01:10:03,120
maybe apartments, I don't remember.
>> So that legal drain kind of went into

803
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:06,800
that area. And so I had a contractor
because I couldn't find it by probing.

804
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:12,000
So I had a contractor go out there and
he was out there for a day digging every

805
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:17,360
where we thought that that
old tile was at. So what I think

806
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:21,840
happened is when they went from one road
cuz it ran right up the road to four

807
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:26,719
lane and then my sanitary came in and
ran a sanitary up there. I think at some

808
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:31,440
point they vacated that drain because I
could not find it anywhere and like I

809
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:35,840
said he was out there for a day digging
and probing and it it was not there

810
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:40,880
anymore. So I I don't know if that's
something we need to get my sanitary

811
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,960
district because there's a sewer project
that runs right there where that old

812
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:49,520
tile was, but I think at some point when
they went from one lane to four lane,

813
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:53,760
that tile disappeared.
>> Yeah, I I recall when that happened. And

814
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:57,120
if if I recall properly, I think Gradea
A Excavating was the contractor at that

815
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,840
time that put that. And it's really
deep.

816
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:02,880
» Yeah.
>> I mean, it's it's super deep. So, I

817
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:06,719
don't remember if it was abandoned in
service or not, but you bring up a very

818
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:11,520
good point. So, I think that still needs
anyway, Progress Trails flooded uh up to

819
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:15,120
uh where they have that burn where they
park their locomotives out front. I've

820
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:19,600
never seen it flood like that. Now, it's
a flash. Maybe it's down by now, but

821
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:24,480
that was, you know, 6:00 this morning.
Um earlier there was a question came up

822
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:29,520
about who would make the decision on how
you changed what you had invested uh in

823
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:33,360
an account. uh the commissioners and the
board of finance authorized this board

824
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,560
to make those decisions. So if you guys
want to change those allocations, my

825
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:40,400
point is you don't have to come back to
the commissioners or you don't have to

826
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:47,760
come back to the finance the board of
finance. I believe that's your purview.

827
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:53,280
» Thank you. Thank you.
>> Comments from the attorney.

828
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:58,800
» Thank you.
Uh Mr. Borcher, you want to make any

829
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:02,159
comment on
debrushing. Oh,

830
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:08,000
» I just these are the next round of
debrushing I gave you guys. It's just

831
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:13,840
kind of a simple uh you know, just kind
of shows you where we're at. There's

832
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:17,760
some areas I'm going to add uh on onto
this, but I I haven't been able to walk

833
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,960
them all. We've had rain. We've had some
other things getting on.

834
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,440
» This is your fall work.
>> Yeah. What I'd like to do is quote this

835
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:28,480
out in October on our October meeting.
Um,

836
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:33,360
if there's something that the board
would like to add or take away,

837
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:39,360
hit me up in an email, call me, and I
can work on that. I'm I'm not

838
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:43,120
100% on all these, but I I think this is
the next round. We've got two or three

839
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:46,320
of them on here that we did last year,
and we only have a couple more sections

840
01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:52,960
to do, and they'll be completely cleared
and free of debris, and we can uh

841
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:57,040
maintain them with a spray program.
That's where I'm at on that. Also, I

842
01:12:55,360 --> 01:13:03,360
forgot
our next meeting. We're gonna either

843
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:07,520
have to postpone or move the date to I
had to wrote down. I lost it.

844
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:12,360
» September.
>> It's a Tuesday in the afternoon.

845
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,360
» Afternoon.

846
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:18,800
» That's the only date we're open because
of budget hearings. This this room will

847
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,880
be filled with
>> county council.

848
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:24,880
» Yes.
>> And Monday's a holiday.

849
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:28,560
So Tuesday they they have the
commissioner's meeting and those

850
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:32,960
meetings on Tuesday morning. So we could
either have it Tuesday afternoon or we

851
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:36,560
could postpone it and just go to
October. Those are basically our two

852
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:42,159
options with the streaming that we have
to stream on

853
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:44,560
online. This the Indiana code. I leave
that up to the board. I don't know if

854
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:49,360
that's something we have to decide right
now later.

855
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:53,440
» So September 9th is the Wednesday,
>> right? It would be that it would be that

856
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:57,679
Tuesday before that.
>> It'll be the only time this room will be

857
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:00,920
open because counsel will start that
next Wednesday.

858
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:09,120
» We don't know when they're going to
resched.

859
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:13,280
» Oh,
>> so we would we have a lot of claims

860
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,840
coming in in September that would need
to be

861
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:22,239
would it push till October? Well, what I
think what I've done in the past is

862
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:26,640
since the claims out, uh, you know, I
don't know if this was the only COVID

863
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:30,320
rules, but when we couldn't meet for a
reason, I they made an ordinance and I

864
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:35,360
can send the claims off to you guys. You
guys can look them over and we can still

865
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:40,159
approve claims with the the majority of
the board over an email or a phone call,

866
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,640
I believe, is what the ordinance said.
And I don't know if that's still in

867
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:46,480
effect, but that's how we did it during
CO. I don't know if we've missed a

868
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:51,040
meeting since that. Do you have a copy
of that ordinance I could look at?

869
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:55,040
» I do not off the top of my head.
>> I could go back and look, but I I

870
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:59,199
believe that we could they let us
approve the claims with three of the

871
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:02,960
board members. So, I would get the
claims to three of the board members or

872
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:06,560
more, you know, all of them.
>> If you have an ordinance in effect for

873
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:11,199
that and it doesn't specify it was just
during a co time, then that's totally

874
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:15,280
acceptable. If you know your claims are
consistently

875
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:18,800
the same type of thing and you want to
give him even if you make a motion now

876
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:24,480
to say he has authority to pay those
claims next month and then you um come

877
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:28,000
back in in October and ratify that
decision. Um he could send out

878
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:32,560
everything that was being paid and
everyone can send kind of a verbal email

879
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:37,120
saying you know thank you looks good and
you can ratify those decisions in

880
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:42,360
October if you wanted to also.
Is everyone available? September 8th at

881
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,360
9:00 a.m.

882
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,800
» after.
>> It's got to be that. It's not the 9th.

883
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:52,800
It's the what you what date?
>> It's the 8th.

884
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:55,920
» 8th. That's the Tuesday after Labor Day.
>> Yes.

885
01:15:53,199 --> 01:16:01,239
» Okay.
>> Is everyone available? September 8th at

886
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,239
2 p.m.

887
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:11,040
» Okay, that's fine. Do we need a motion
to reschedu?

888
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:15,120
I make a motion to reschedule the
September drainage board meeting to

889
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:17,840
September 8th at 2 p.m. in this room.
>> Jennifer, will you make sure to let

890
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,679
» Yes.
>> Second

891
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:23,199
» motion to force properly second. Roll
call.

892
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:24,320
» Mr. Whitehead.
>> Yes.

893
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,840
» Mr. Hamilton.
>> Yes.

894
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,760
» Mr. Yes.
>> Mr. Yes.

895
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:31,840
» Mr. B.
>> Yes.

896
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,360
» Um, Mr. Do we have to publish that that
we moved it?

897
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:35,920
» Yes. Yeah.
>> into the paper or just around the

898
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:41,760
building to
>> So you both and you don't have to

899
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:44,320
publish it. You just have to send it the
notice. You know what I mean? You just

900
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:48,000
have to email the notice. It doesn't
have to be republished.

901
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:52,400
» Email to who?
>> The paper the email for the the one you

902
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:54,640
send the actual notice is to that email.
You just email them, right?

903
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,920
» Yes.
>> Yeah. So you just have to there's a

904
01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,800
difference in publishing and sending the
notice. Okay.

905
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:03,520
» It sounds the same to me. They put it in
the paper.

906
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:06,960
you publish your yearly list for the
beginning of the year. So then you only

907
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,120
have to send notice of a change of
meeting.

908
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,679
» Okay.
>> I wonder if he

909
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,198
» Okay. [clears throat]

910
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:25,679
» Any other further business? If not,
motion to adjurnn, please. So moved.

911
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:30,880
» All in favor say I.
>> I

912
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,880
thank you all.