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I call this uh meeting to order can we
please stand and salute the

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flag I pledge Ali to flag of the United
States of America

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and stands one nation God
indivisible andice for

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all Jamie could you read the sunshine
statement please be advised that prop

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notice has been given by Township
Council in accordance with the Sunshine

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Law in the following manner notice
advertised in the buring county times

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and Camden carrier post on January 8th
2025 and post it on the bulletin board

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on the same
date would you uh call the roll call

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please Mr Morrow here here Mr here mrny
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here uh first up is ordinance on first
reading ordinance 202

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5-1 calendar year 2025 ordinance to
exceed the municipal budget

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appropriation limits and to establish a
cap Bank njsa

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4514 may I have a motion please

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motion have a second
second roll call Mr Morrow yes mrso I Mr

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Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr lion
H all right next up

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resolution uh resolution
2025 d25 appointment of environmental

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resolution Inc as Township engineer can
I have a motion

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please seeing no motion resolution is
failed Okay resolution fails as of a a

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no motion uh next the consent agenda uh
Council you've had a chance to look at

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the consent agenda agenda any questions
on the consent

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agenda call um can we get a motion on
the consent agenda please

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motion I'll
second roll call Mr marrow yes mrsu hi

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Mr Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr all
right all right next up we have public

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comment um rules of the Quorum if you uh
wish to speak please raise your hand and

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you will be recognize at that time you
may approach the podium and state your

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name and address for the record all
remarks shall be through the council

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president an individual speaker shall be
allotted five minutes all statements are

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a part of the public record both written
and video recorded and cannot be

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redacted any anybody wish to speak
please raise your hand oh I need a

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motion to go into public I'm sorry I'll
make that motion I'll second

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all all in

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favor yes
sir yes sir thank you sir

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yeah

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maybe where's the uh I person how you
going all

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right don't don't touch
what whenever you're when I'm

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ready all right we on
Mr Morrow oh I'm sorry spech williamj

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518 Brown Street Del New Jersey the
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section starting from uh let's see we're
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from left to right Mr Morrow how many
projects are now in progress with

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CME as of this moment as of right now as
of the beginning of this year I

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would questions through the council
president please council

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president what are the current jobs in
progress with CME I do not have a list

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of every single project that's in how
many are to the best of your knowledge

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how many are in progress um Joe would
you like to feel that I do have some

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list here but Joe would have a more
comprehensive list I think it it would

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be safe to say we have at least 20 uh
projects either ongoing or in the design

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stage or nearing completion and U Mr
Bina what has the projected time frame

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on these in the year 2025 going forward
for the next four years for the next

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four years for the next four years yes
with the for what projects with CM CME

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yes sir uh I would venture gu with
everything that's currently been for

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which they've been engaged um that
probably be see many of them done within

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the next 18 months uh there are few that
will probably go on for three and four

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years very few though all right most
project will that list be made available

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on your site yes it will all right sure
it's public

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yes say yes or no answer thank you sir
carry on do so you don't know Mr Morrow

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you said you don't know how many
projects are actually in progress that's

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correct Mrs uh what is that address to
the council oh I have to go to you first

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yeah that's just the rules
okay Mr Council may I speak basically

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you're trying to grill the Council on
I'm not grilling anybody I'm asking a

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question a yes or no question sir okay
all right may I proceed now sure Mrs

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appid all right how many projects do you
know are you aware of I would defer to

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the uh admin you're deferring to the
administrator okay so you have no

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knowledge of you're deferring to Mr
bolina he's the

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expert yes ma'am he's the expert right
all right moving down that M back to you

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sir may I approach Mr Smith now you can
ask a general question yes all right

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same question sir do you know how many
projects are in currently in action yeah

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believe what Mr Bina has stated is most
accurate I didn't quite get that could

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you speak up sir yes I said that what Mr
Bina stated whatever Mr bolina stated 20

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projects that are either in progress or
um but you personally do not know how

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many projects are currently in progress
uh I just just gave you a response I'm

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not sure okay thank you
sir Mr Jenny Mr spitch Mr Jenny I I

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don't count the number of projects we're
working on uh it's up to our engineer

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and our business administrator to manage
those and that's what they do I so I

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concur with Mr bina's answer okay all
right and you represent our district

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what what district I'm councilman ofar I
represent the whole Township thank you

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sir how about you 15 pages 15 there's 15
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contains how many projects roughly
somewhere around 20 20 all right but to

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me to say exactly how many I okay very
well 15 all right thank you for your

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time I appreciate that I have a minute
and 15 thank you very much thank you

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have a nice night you bet

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you anyone else um like to uh reach the
podium yes ma'am

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good evening everybody uh Chris Adrien
55 Spring Crest Drive in summerh Hill um

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I have a couple questions my first is a
procedural question what does it mean

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that you nobody chose to vote on this
change what does that mean uh basically

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the council didn't want to move that
resolution so you're keep the status quo

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um I will defer to our attorney but my
understanding is that if that resolution

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goes down then C would stay in place cor
okay now um my understanding is these

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positions are under the purview of the
mayor with advice and consent of the

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council however from all of your
responses that you just made it appears

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that all of you are saying you really
don't know what CME is doing that you're

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leaving all that under Mr bina's
guidance now it is common common when

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there is a change in Administration in
Corporate America for Consultants to be

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changed to the new
Administration we have a change here in

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our leadership as mayor and it is his
prerogative to choose the

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engineer and by deferring to Mr bolina
you are not doing your job so the

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question is why are you not willing to
bring this to discussion and vote if

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you're going to say well cm is in
progress on this everything they have

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done is work product that belongs to
this community it's our work product

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we've paid for it if we have not paid
for it that's problematic and that is a

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question for Mr bolina if we have not it
is our work product we have a right to

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change and it is common to do so now we
have issues such as storm water issues

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that have been going on for years
decades that have not been

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addressed I have stood up here and
mentioned things that I know for a fact

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were not done appropriately
environmentally by CMA which puts us at

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risk so they have shown us that they are
either not advising us properly or we as

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a Town Council and an administrator are
not listening to them which means they

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are not being forceful enough I think
this is doing a disservice to both the

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voters in this town the residents in
this town and our newly elected mayor

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not to consider his choice or to have
open debate about why you're not

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considering his choice what happen here
was not fair to the voters nor was it

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fair to our mayor nor was it fair to the
recommended

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engineer I'm
disappointed very disappointed I could

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sit here again and list other things
that I have seen that this engineering

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firm has not done appropriately I'm a
constituent I am not a professional

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engineer and yet I have this knowledge
that can say this to you so I certainly

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hope you will go back and reconsider and
vote for who our mayor

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recommends thank you thank
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you do we have anyone else um I'll go
lady in

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pth pomerance 21 Alden

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Avenue may I ask why no one wanted to
put that resolution

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out why well it did get red it just
didn't get moved

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why the
council the council I have listen you

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ask me something if you your minutes I
apologize no you don't have to apologize

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I just
um we've had discussions over this and I

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have a statement I'm going to read in my
report that goes through why I believe

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we should keep saying me the rest of the
council will have that opportunity and

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their reports to do as the same but we
have discussed the fact that we do

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believe at this time CMA is the right
option and we want that them to work

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with the new mayor and get a year under
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I'll
elaborate elaborate more on that in my

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report but while we appreciate the mayor
wanting to invoke a change right it's

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his prerogative we also represent the
whole town all 177,000 people and at the

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end of the day we have an obligation to
all of them and and I'll expand on more

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of the track record of CME and
everything like that and that's just I'm

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not going to speak for the rest of the
council but when we put it out nobody

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wanted to move on that resolution that's
a simplest way I could put it and you

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know what whenever there's these issues
there's going to be some people that are

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disappointed some people that are happy
some people are in bibl all right but

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that's just the nature of the of what's
going on here right now and it's no

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knock on ER penon Alo or anyone else

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so just to add to what the previous lady
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water um we can talk about we won't but
we could talk

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about the uh flooding down in Riverside
Park that CME has been working on with a

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variety of council people for over 13
years okay um if I had the time I would

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go back through through all the minutes
for the last 14 or 15 years and we could

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add up what we've paid CME to date which
has got to be millions of

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dollars I think it's time to allow the
new mayor the opportunity to

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succeed in what he campaigned
on he promised this town certain things

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in order for him to get those done he
needs to have the people who are going

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to support
him and you five don't look like the

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five who are going to support
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him oh anyone else yeah uh I'm going to

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go over here um I jumped over her last
night I'll go to do next

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hi Jen reer from Daran um so I'm just

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here in support of the mayor and um him
being able to hire another engineering

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firm I just wanted to remind you all I
sat here when you all sworn in or Mr

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Maro and Mr Jenny that you promised you
would all work for it with together and

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that was a big thing that all went on at
the last meeting so I don't see that

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right now that you're working with him
if if anything you're putting walls up

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to to stop what we the people voted
again so for me and I've say this when I

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speak to you people it ain't about you
it's We the People it's our town you

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work for us you do what we say that's
how this works and again the whole

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country is tired of all this like to me
CMA is part of your swamp that you have

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they you go to dinners with them oh yes
listen I'm kind of I know I kind of know

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what goes on myself I'm not that stupid
so you you sit there and laugh on my

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face I I I understand how you people
work so again you don't don't bite the

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hand to feeds that's what this is about
so again the people wanted a new

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engineer firm I go around to the town I
talk to many people myself also and the

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people are fed up with the crap in this
town they feel as so the infrastructure

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this town is like going down the tubes
I've said this many times the

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infrastructure is falling apart you have
these people down at the river the

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nightmares and also the the roads the
people on Bentwood I've watched Time and

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Time and Time Again people calling up
here crying about the floods on Hanes

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Mill the Bentwood that the the the
streets all the problems there nothing

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gets done again this man is coming up
with a Bonafide solution for the town

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and you're not you're you're not even
going to vote on it or anything just

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because again don't brep the hand that
feeds thank you thank

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you good
evening I'll be a little more calm could

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you just uh state your name and yes my
name is Carolyn Seuss I am the current

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mayor of Delano Township um here tonight
dis to discuss your uh engineering

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appointment for 2025 um I understand
obviously that mayor hutkins would like

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to appoint ER as your new engineer but
does not have the support of the council

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I just wanted to speak a little bit
about uh ER and how they've been our

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Township engineer since
2013 um The Firm was appointed actually

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by a democratic majority back then and
has served our town for the last 12

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years um going back and forth between
both parties uh to me this is not a

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political appointment and the town's
need should be uh the first priority and

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what the firm has the experience to
handle the immediate project needs we've

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never really looked to change our
professionals based on what their party

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is um obviously your flooding issues are
a major concern and the residents have

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echoed that as well Eli has involved in
several projects in Delano that included

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the Army core of engineers and the D
both of these agencies are who you would

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need to work with to address these
concerns this past summer our Township

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was able to install a 500t um vinyl
sheep pile seaw wall along Delaware

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Avenue along the Delaware River uh ER
designed and oversaw this construction

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project it was a very large project
almost $700,000 and it went on for

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several years uh because of the issues
um and E was was excellent in working

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with them to ensure that the project
moves along

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smoothly the seaw wall will uh protect
the historic Zerg mansion along the

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river and to ensure that all the homes
in the area are protected from the river

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flooding we were losing feet of land
every year due to the erosion because of

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the river and the Water Rising um it was
a very difficult project and we were

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actually really happy with the in with
the outcome and how er worked with all

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of our professionals they were also
involved in check valve installations of

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various storm water Outlets uh to
leviate Backwater flooding that's when

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the water comes up through the storm
drains um they designed an oversaw

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construction at several Street ends uh V
sheep pile sea walls at several our

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street ends along the river um they
obtained the permits from d and Army

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Corps worked excellent along with them
um some some other project they've

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worked with in our town the dunes they
assisted in litigation with d and army

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Corp to preserve the dunes if you don't
know what that is it's a beautiful

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nature preserve along the Delaware River
near the border of Beverly Township uh

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they worked with uh our um planners with
the Field of Dreams uh Sports Complex

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they helped with the design of the
soccer fields installation of the

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parking lot they oversaw the
construction of subsequent phases of the

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parks um you know different things that
included the park design they also were

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involved in uh one of our development
storm water outfalls they oversaw the

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Reconstruction of a failing outfall
structure to the ranus creek um our town

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borders the creek and the river they
oversaw some construction at our fields

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that are along the river as well um they
were involved in demolition of a huge

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property along the creek uh five story a
five-story industrial building now

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they're working with us to ensure with
the planners that we have a u a a park

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design that makes sense to ensure that
there's no flooding there that a seaw

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wall will be installed so you obviously
see the theme here they're involved with

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flooding they're involved with with
storm water management um and they also

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prepared our our storm water mapping and
our ms4 permitting system which is a

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comprehensive map that the state
mandated and they prepare our annual

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permits as well they're also involved in
our lead based pain inspections which

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you know is now a requirement and uh our
road programs they've they've done over

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20 dot grants uh CBD Grants County and
state grants for the roads and did over

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35 Road programs over the years they're
professional they do they have timely

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responses which is really important to
me um I kind of took on the role of the

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project manager our uh administrator is
part-time and we didn't have someone to

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to manage the professionals on a project
level so I kind of took that over and I

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worked closely with them for the past
two years um specifically Mr Fox and I

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was really happy with that relationship
he was an excellent Communicator um just

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on a financial aspect they're really
fair with their billing um I know a lot

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of times you know you get these these
crazy bills that are inflated but I

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always thought they were really fair
with that and there are the firm that is

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the engineer along a lot of these
Riverfront towns they are the the

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engineers of choice and I think it's
important that all these towns come

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together and work as one because we all
have the same issues and if we all have

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the same engineering firm we can all
kind of work together to help alleviate

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these flooding problems that are only
going to continue because obviously of

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global warming and Rising water levels
so thank you for the opportunity to

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speak than good
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luck uh

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sir yeah Jone uh 306 High Street Jim f a
z z o n e 306 High Street Burlington New

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Jersey uh I'm actually the former mayor
of the City of Burlington uh and uh

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again I see went through was elected
official for 30 years one thing you may

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consider uh and I know that you have
your engineered record and I I think

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that's a good thing uh sometimes what we
used to do uh in the city of

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burlingtonon was give someone else maybe
a chance to get involved in certain

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projects just because someone's an
engineer of record uh doesn't mean some

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other folks can't get some work also
gives a chance for uh maybe the the new

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mayor and Council to work together uh
agree on some things uh and and and uh

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see if uh we don't like several you went
through the who's who of Engineers or

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when you when you mentioned all of them
and you know could could be a situation

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where you might want to just give
someone a chance on a particular project

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develop relationships uh not only with
some other Engineers but with each other

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you well and if I could interject yeah
yeah you running the show I'm

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just I'd like to give everybody their
five minutes without me taking it up but

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we did offer up um
a a res a solution um to the new mayor

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where um er would get involved with a
piece of our work and um he and I listen

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I commend him he wants ER for everything
and he's steadfast on that so it's not

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personal it's just business it's not
Republican Democrat but he didn't want

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to go in that direction which that's
fine he's the mayor right but we did

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what you are saying we have offered up
and I think that's a good thing what was

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tip O'Neal's quote was politics is an
energetic Clash of conflicting ideas so

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uh sometimes there's a there's there's a
happy medium there somewhere and uh

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maybe next week uh mayor thinks a little
bit different you guys think a little

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bit different uh but good luck r i i
I've always been impressed I like your

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town like your restaurants uh like
driving down 130 always seems safe to me

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but uh uh thanks that's all I had to say
thank you

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[Applause]
sir uh yes ma'am

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my name is Samantha I live on Chester
Avenue um you just mentioned that you

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guys offered up um something for uh the
mayor's appointment ER what was that um

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what when we were having discussions um
that um what we could do is we would

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keep CME as our Municipal engineer and
er would get all the the sewage

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Authority work and that way they could
start working in town on the sewage

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Authority work and obviously our sewage
Authority is down by the river and

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whatnot and I thought that's okay soth
that was a compromise sewards Authority

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okay um so I'm sorry sewer theart SE
okay either way sewer um you said the

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mayor wanted um er for everything
question uh who is

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the engineer for the planning board
uh turret Consulting and who is the

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engineer for the zoning board that I'm
not I'm I'm not on the zoning board so I

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I'd have to defer to somebody that knows
who's on the zoning board they haven't

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done their re you said it's CME Mr Pina
it's been it's been CME that they

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haven't done their reorder Thursday
Jamie and who is the tree

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expert C okay so then only okay so CM or
um CME wouldn't be out of the town uh

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Eli wouldn't get everything um and then
also who is our special

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projects we don't have special projects
okay so it's my understanding that the

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appointment belongs to the mayor um was
there another

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company that the mayor could have
proposed other than CME that the council

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would have voted yes
to um he could have but um we were

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pretty steadfast I will do that in my
report why we were wanted to stay with

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CMA but we were offering up then the
Sewer Authority I heard the Sewer

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Authority so but it is the mayor's
appointment with cons what is the word

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advice and consent of council with cause
so without cause and only the council

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coming together and saying well we heard
you but we want CME that falls under the

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definition of coercion that's not
offering up the appointment that's not

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saying that the mayor actually has the
right that's saying this is a formality

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and the appointment's not a formality
the appointment belongs to the mayor if

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there's a reason that ER should not be
the engineer then that can be discussed

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um can and I address Mr bolina is that
okay yeah sure uh how what was the RFP

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submitted for ER the the uh hourly ver
versus

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CME ma'am I I don't know all the hourly
rates off the top of okay and that's

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there's hundreds of rates that are
submitted over through that process so

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it would be hard could you say off the
top of your head if if one was less than

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the other no no recollection that's and
without me knowing the exact amounts

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they were except for a limo they were
all kind of in the same B so then then

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that's fine so that goes to the things
right so I mean not it wouldn't cost

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necessarily more or anything else so I'm
not particularly seeing

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a causal reason which in then that takes
this again to a formality and the

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appointment isn't a formality the
appointment belongs to the mayor and by

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saying no but this is where we want to
stay that's not really how it works

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that's taking from the people which as
you can see I've been to these meetings

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and our our mayor said he was going to
give the town a

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voice our town is here our town is here
to support the mayor and I will say one

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other thing that has nothing to do with
the El already anything else but I've

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been it's not very long I've been coming
to these meetings but if you guys could

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look a little bit like you care about
the people I mean just a little bit I

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mean M ran I've seen you something check
you're looking at something every now

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like every couple seconds just pretend
like you care at least okay that's all I

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can say thank you very
[Applause]

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much any one else yes

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ma Joan kter 10 River
Drive uh thank you for coming out the

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lanko and Burlington and letting us know
exactly that there is hope maybe if we

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could get new people in they built that
wall over there work with the arm Court

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of Engineers we've been being told for
since 20 11 that you know government

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takes a long time so you know we we're
13 years into this and call me selfish

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and I know the uh Engineers do other
things in the town besides flooding but

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I'm going to say uh yes call is selfish
because we have to fight for the riv

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residence in Riverside Park because
that's where we live we've been there

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over 60 plus years and not much is
happening and as far as CM goes um I

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have a couple little things that we
could uh look at uh when we built that

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they built that bike path was Samy the
engineer in involved with that with the

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county I I couldn't because that's a
county project I don't know if the CME

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was yeah I I I believe I believe they
were look at the records and and like

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them being experienced with the
riverbank down there they probably

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should have let them know that you know
eventually it's fallen into the river

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because we lose foot feet of the burm
every year and now all the any of the

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Landscaping they put down there the new
trees they put down there the new

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flowers they put down there they're gone
they're washed away that uh little fence

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down there well there's the water so
like CME should have been a little bit

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you know better advice on on that so
again uh in J in July of 2020 the

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emergency stream bank erosion study was
done uh CME provided pictures for the

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study according to the the paperwork
that I have the problem is the pictures

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were from
2012 well that was nine

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years between the 2012 and

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2021 the landscape has changed
drastically in 9 years no updated

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pictures like didn't quite understand
understand that one uh the St Avenue

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project uh we went back to one of the
sidewalk panels was damaged in the very

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beginning it took me coming to the Town
Council to add to ask can they fix it

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because originally the I went up to the
CME guy and I said uh hey you know uh

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they ran over my sidewalk smashed my
sidewalk don't worry all the sidewalks

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all the curves are going to be replaced
on both sides of the street

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no
problem fast forward a year and a half

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when they finally get to the sidewalks
and the curves I go to the different CME

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guy and I said uh you know don't forget
over here we got they ran over they

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damaged my
panel oh I I'll have to ask about that I

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said well I was told that they're do
they're going to replace all curbs and

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sidewalks no we're only replacing the
curbs and sidewalks of where we removed

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the trees and there was damage well
that's on the other side of the tree the

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other side of the street so we weren't
getting anything so I had to come here

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and bring it to the attention of the
council which yeah it got done my

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neighbors there's uh handicap woman her
panel broke well she had to go through

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this that and the other to get it taken
care of well they replaced it and broke

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the one next to it when they replaced it
like does anybody walk up and you know

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these Engineers are walking up and down
the street in this project nobody saw

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any of this was happening my other
neighbor the uh it's a water box uh the

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water meter box cover is that far above
grade here's here's

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your the uh the grass and here's this
metal cover that wasn't like that you

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wouldn't want that in front of your
house again did CME did it those guys

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are there every day most of them were
Watchers uh I I didn't uh you know

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we we when we ask questions you know the
one kid says well I'm going back to

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college in two days so I don't really
know and the other guys like well I got

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pulled off of a a job in Mount Laurel
but you know I like your dog and you

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know open your eyes peeps uh you know
and it just little frustrating things

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like that um the the the best one was
when don't quote me on measurements but

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we're guessing approximately 200 to 300
ft yeah I'm I'm going to talk fast 2 to

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300 ft of the U storm drain piping was
installed we're like they they're that

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much further down the street we can get
out our driveway now we're moving on

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well guess what they came back a couple
days later and they dug it

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up what
happened um CME right I shouldn't say C

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but I'm going to say C the prins were
wrong um the pitch and and and your

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time's up but if I have your email yeah
right and that email just hang on a

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second and that email has already been
addressed with all your concerns yeah me

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and and and I said I'm going to need a
response and we're going to need you

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know all these things what how they
transpire so I I do appreciate your

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email because I got it yeah no I sent it
everybody except the ones that weren't

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working so it's already been sent to the
CMA yeah so we do appreciate okay but

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that wasn't on
there this this one because this was a

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major
cluster you know when they had to come

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back and dig it up and and that
contractor we said what happened well

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the specs were wrong the the prints were
wrong how were the prince wrong who went

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over the blueprints see I mean okay
they're going to have to address I know

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but that you didn't know about that
because I'm just telling you now but

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man' right your your five minutes is can
I have somebody else's five minutes here

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can I get can I borrow please because we
have okay the other question who paid

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for that to get redone excuse me but um
we have other people that do want to

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speak okay yeah oh here comes the cops I
got to

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[Applause]
go she's coming up to speak for me no it

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doesn't work that way um

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thank thank you very much though for
your comments uh is there anyone

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else hi my name is Nancy Evans I live on
Art Street in Delan and I'm going to

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keep this pretty simple because
everybody really gave you all the

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information that you guys should be
considering and needing to know but none

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of you do um first of all you talked
about this is a thing that the committee

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has agreed on but nobody here on the
committee knew what the hell is going on

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in as far as CME is concerned they don't
know how many projects or how or what

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the what they're working on so how can a
committee make a reasonable and

416
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:50,800
acceptable decision they
cannot number two number two is you said

417
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:55,240
you're working for the residents of the
town but you are not working for the

418
00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:00,400
residents of the town you aren't doing a
damn thing for residents of the town and

419
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,319
number three why do you have a five
minute ruling when people want to come

420
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,000
up and speak that is absolutely
ridiculous that's one of the first

421
00:37:04,839 --> 00:37:13,310
things if I were the mayor I would
[ __ ] get rid of thank

422
00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:13,310
[Applause]

423
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:28,680
you any other before we go out of public
yes ma'am

424
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:41,880
Diane sealer 128 Jaclyn Avenue I just
have a general question about your

425
00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:47,960
parliamentary
procedure because when I look at this

426
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:53,400
motion and nothing was
said it should have as far as I know

427
00:37:50,839 --> 00:37:58,760
from my experience it should have been
moved and seconded and you should have

428
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:05,040
had a discussion so everyone here
tonight could know how you feel about

429
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:10,520
what this resolution is and the only
reason we found out about what's

430
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:16,200
happening is because of the people that
came to this meeting tonight so that's

431
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:22,040
all I have to say you should have
discussion down with a motion like this

432
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:27,000
and it and then we know how you feel
instead of having all these people have

433
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:32,200
to find out by questioning you how you
feel about this cuz we don't really know

434
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:37,400
why you didn't want to move on this
motion so you should have been open to a

435
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:46,359
discussion thank
[Applause]

436
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:50,280
you sir
sure I stepped into a hornet mess here I

437
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:56,240
think
but um hang on one second and your name

438
00:38:54,119 --> 00:39:01,960
how you doing I'm Joe samaro um I
actually live at 633rd Street in

439
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:07,760
Riverside but I am on Chester Avenue I'm
on the corner

440
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:14,240
um is it my understanding now that Delan
Township Now controls Chester

441
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:20,520
Avenue it's no longer a County Road it's
now Doan correct yes up to St Mill and

442
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,920
it comes northchester and then it's
Riverside okay um many years ago I spoke

443
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,960
here when Simon and Schuster was
building and there was plenty of issues

444
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:38,640
along with that I had issues at my house
um obviously with Chester Avenue that

445
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:42,240
was a mess um it's still rather bumpy um
are you guys planning on doing anything

446
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:49,920
about the tractor trailers going up
Chester Avenue I mean it's there there

447
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:54,359
they speed horribly and I feel every one
of them that goes by my house like my

448
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:59,599
house vibrates I I know that that issue
has been brought up and that something

449
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:03,480
the police are going to have to monitor
yeah but um because if they're they're

450
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:08,000
they're not supposed to be on that road
or they're speeding that becomes a

451
00:40:05,319 --> 00:40:10,800
police issue and the chief of police is
here what do you mean they're not

452
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,319
supposed to be allowed on that road if
if if there's a weight restriction on

453
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:19,680
the road well there's not at the moment
well but I'm just saying if there were

454
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,040
they weren't supposed to be on that road
but if they're not violating the weight

455
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:28,839
restriction and they're allowed to be on
that road they do have to conform to the

456
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:33,079
speed no I understand um are you open to
considering maybe putting a weight limit

457
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:37,480
on that road I mean tayor Lane is
obviously a County Road and more of a

458
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,960
truck route it's no it's not residential
and they could come in that way um like

459
00:40:40,359 --> 00:40:48,119
I said they don't stop I mean it would
also help with the congestion at tayor

460
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:53,920
or at uh at Route 130 as well on both
ways uh the traffic um but as I'm not

461
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,560
opposed to looking at that's for sure um
because like I said I get the vibrations

462
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:03,319
in my house when they built that Simon
and Shuster Warehouse uh I brought this

463
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:10,400
stuff up and I guess the engineers came
out and I imagine it was CM CM me or

464
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:15,079
whatever but they absolutely whoever it
was absolutely dismissed my concerns

465
00:41:13,319 --> 00:41:20,400
they dismissed that my house may have
been uh impacted uh oh it was my

466
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:25,160
70-year-old house or well it's older
than that now but oh it was settling

467
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:30,040
well my house had long settled by then
but anyway that was my concern thank you

468
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,040
very much thank thank you

469
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:33,349
[Applause]

470
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,720
sir uh yes

471
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:48,000
[Music]
ma'am hi ien blin I live in camenson New

472
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:52,680
Jersey um again with the formality of or
the rules that you're supposed to follow

473
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:56,359
to to bring up a motion um I think it
was very cowardly if you not even to

474
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,800
make a motion and then vote no against
it you know you didn't want to have that

475
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:04,119
on record you wanted to keep your your
firm and you know when you took that

476
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:08,440
oath you remember the power is in the
people and I just wanted to make sure

477
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,160
that you are aware I've been to these
meetings a lot I live right next door in

478
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:16,760
next town I've never seen this many
people show up for a problem except when

479
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:20,119
there was the flooding and um you really
should listen to the people you should

480
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,440
know what's going on in your town
especially if you live right there you

481
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:29,040
should know all the problems of the
people and it's really it's it's very

482
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:32,720
disturbing that you don't know job and I
think that you should listen to your

483
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:41,309
mayor these people elected a mayor and
we stand with him so thank you thank

484
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:41,309
[Applause]

485
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:56,880
[Music]
you um Patricia Griffith 518 Brown um

486
00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:01,359
after listening to all the different
problem s that people have had and how

487
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:06,280
long it's taken to get any of it
addressed and it it's all the stuff the

488
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:12,079
CME has to do with and then we hear from
a neighboring town that they have

489
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:16,839
another engineering company that can get
things done I don't feel represented if

490
00:43:15,319 --> 00:43:21,400
you're not even going to hear it out
about having another I mean you're

491
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:26,160
supposed to represent us I don't feel
represented if you won't even hear what

492
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,760
the other company has to offer or what
like you automatically are already made

493
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,960
up your mind that we're going to keep
CME and we're coming up here and telling

494
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,920
you time and time again we don't think
they're great they took forever to

495
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:42,319
finish that baseball field was a joke
now we've got a sinkhole where the sewer

496
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:45,440
is on Leon and that's going to be a
bunch of money and then the constant

497
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,240
flooding I don't know how come other
towns can get it fixed and it's taking

498
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:53,920
forever with us and it seems like CME is
the Crux of the matter so I prefer if

499
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:57,400
that you would take a step back and
remember you're supposed to represent us

500
00:43:55,839 --> 00:44:03,079
and we're here saying that please
represent us because we don't want CME

501
00:44:00,839 --> 00:44:07,800
we would like a chance to try something
else that's all we already know what

502
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:12,400
they can and can't do it's already been
proven and that's why we're all here so

503
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:20,079
please keep that in mind if you happen
to discuss it again thank

504
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:24,359
[Applause]
you yes ma'

505
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:44,559
Jane mayor 88 stort Avenue Del New
Jersey um on to finish with my what my

506
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:49,040
sister was saying Mr lion um thank you
for responding to my email thank you for

507
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:54,880
the email I do appreciate I I do believe
I got personally think seven yes and you

508
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,599
know what you're the only one that
responded I give you credit for that

509
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,880
I know you didn't because your email
don't work but he was forwarding it

510
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:08,480
forwarding it to because I told him that
I was going forward it to him but

511
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:13,640
because he didn't have the email I
wasn't sure with the okra laws if I

512
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:19,480
should send it to his private one so
yeah but yes I appreciate you responding

513
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:25,040
and I know you didn't because it didn't
work so everybody told him to forward it

514
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:29,359
to you so there you go we had all bases
covered you said you were going to sent

515
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,680
an email to my sister when she was
talking about the

516
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:38,760
stuff she was up here Jo K she was up
here talking you said about an email and

517
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:44,040
we'll discuss that later uh that email
that she sent me went s right but the

518
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:49,440
reason she brought it up again is
because the public needs to be aware of

519
00:45:47,319 --> 00:45:55,119
the situation that happened and I can
tell you a little bit about it um the

520
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:00,400
prints were wrong they dug it up again
it was like 300 ft was very

521
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:06,000
inconvenient and you know
what who was overseeing that the one of

522
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:12,240
the equipment operators said in all
their years they've never had to do that

523
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:16,359
they've never dug up Pump pipes that
were

524
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:21,280
installed
so and then um I'm just going to read a

525
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:28,200
little bit about what one of the
suggestions was from CMA was about the

526
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:34,520
glorified water balloons to prevent the
flooding down in our section you don't

527
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:39,720
have enough employees public work to
clean off the storm drains yet they're

528
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,559
going to drag out tubes filled with
water than when the flooding is

529
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,359
predicted they don't even clean the
storm drains drains when flooding is

530
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:53,319
predicted
here we don't always know when the creek

531
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:58,200
is going overflow the last one it was a
fluke it just

532
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:03,000
came Mother Nature doesn't let us know
ER was involved with the Delano and the

533
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:08,880
Army Corps of Engineers my family has
been coming to these meetings since 2

534
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,880
since

535
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:16,040
2012 and nothing has been done until
this year when they

536
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:20,400
finally signed the agreement with the
army courp of Engineers but there was

537
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:27,359
and I don't have the dates but my
sisters do where Delan Township and the

538
00:47:24,839 --> 00:47:33,800
Army Corps of Engineers both drop the
ball on the project to prevent the

539
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:39,480
flooding the one person lost their house
almost because of that so but the public

540
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:43,880
needs to be aware that's why not just
emails that being sent to people the

541
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:48,520
public needs to be aware because we
voted for you and it was an

542
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:52,800
overwhelmingly and it wasn't just for
the president it was because people

543
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:57,359
needed to change they want to change and
you know what sometimes a new set of

544
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:08,010
eyes to give a better perspective just
give somebody a chance that's all thank

545
00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:11,059
[Applause]
[Music]

546
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:19,440
you sh's

547
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:29,599
working it's it's working on our side so
I I don't know if there's a problem out

548
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:35,040
there um we'll take a couple more before
we move on the rest of the business is

549
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,040
there anybody else that

550
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:48,839
sir Jack Moore 133 Kathleen
Avenue uh this is a bit of a change of

551
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:53,960
pace from the uh topic of discussion uh
lately but I think it's one that it's

552
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:58,799
the right time to bring it up uh we've
had a change in leadership and uh

553
00:48:56,839 --> 00:49:02,440
hopefully this is something that can be
in the Forefront of your minds as we

554
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:08,599
continue through the year when I first
moved to Del Ran in

555
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:14,240
2017 I I looked around for my public
library we don't have one we haven't had

556
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:21,559
one the towns around us Doo cinnamon
does morst toown does but Del Ran should

557
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:29,119
not be going to other towns to use their
resources we need to bring a library

558
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:34,960
here Library liaries are Community
Builders and I think we have a great

559
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Community but we can be stronger and we
can bring people from diverse walks of

560
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,839
life into our community through a
library and through the resources that a

561
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:50,680
library can
provide they serve diverse communities

562
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:55,319
you know and with Del Ran's you know
thriving communities Turkish population

563
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:59,599
Brazilian population having something
like a library to bring people together

564
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:05,160
and share their cultures would be
fantastic there are great financial

565
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:11,040
investment a library every dollar put
into a library gives you back $3 worth

566
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:16,440
of value they serve as a first stop for
job Seekers a resource for the internet

567
00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:21,640
for our teleworkers who may have lost
internet connection at home their

568
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:26,119
connection to history a library for
Delran could serve as a permanent home

569
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:32,960
for the Delran historical society and
Ensure Our Town history is preserved

570
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:37,079
libraries are effective third spaces a
meeting space and Community Gathering

571
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:41,559
space can serve as a resource and
attract prospective residents that may

572
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:47,880
consider availability of a public
library in their relocation decisions so

573
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:52,520
it could help our town grow uh and
libraries also serve as language

574
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:56,960
learning centers as inclement weather
weather shelters they serve so many

575
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,799
different purposes and I think it's time
that we need to have a conversation

576
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:07,839
Earnest conversation about whether a
library and the funds available for a

577
00:51:04,839 --> 00:51:11,720
library should be spent here in Del Rand
to bring a library to our town thank you

578
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,950
thank
[Applause]

579
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,400
you one more anyone are we good

580
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:35,480
hi uh Kim kuster uh 24 uh 24 Norman
Avenue um yes I would just like to uh

581
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:39,640
piggyback on what Jack had said about
supporting um a community library I

582
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,640
thought of you when he said it because I
know you brought it yeah I came here uh

583
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:49,040
I think about a year and a half ago um
I'm a new resident in in in um Daran and

584
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:53,480
I came from a town that had a library
and my Fondest Memories of being a

585
00:51:51,319 --> 00:51:57,319
little kid is going to the library for
children's stories and it was just a

586
00:51:55,839 --> 00:52:01,119
place that you met
it was a quiet place as our

587
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:05,280
neighborhoods get a little bit noisier
and congested we have a lot of

588
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:10,440
development around us now and it's an
asset I think that Delan really does

589
00:52:07,799 --> 00:52:14,440
need um I would I'm really looking
forward to working with our new mayor

590
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:20,160
because um I did have some meetings with
our former mayor and it just didn't seem

591
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:24,559
to want to get supported um I think a
library I think we need something in

592
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:28,280
this town to feel good about I think we
need something to feel good about

593
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:32,599
politics and bringing people back
together and I see a library at least

594
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:37,680
getting the committee together having us
sit down and actually work for something

595
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:41,240
for the community for the for everybody
thank you thank

596
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:48,480
[Applause]
you all right

597
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:55,760
um Le there's anyone else we're going to
move on can I get a motion to come out

598
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:55,760
of public please

599
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:02,799
I'll second that all in favor I any

600
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:15,160
opposed um so moving on with our agenda
we have our reports I see we have um

601
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:20,480
members of Emergency Services um you
want to be first up I saw some P folks

602
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:29,679
also I don't know if they split but um
Brian's here

603
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:29,679
[Music]

604
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,920
good evening Chuck M from the chief Del
emergency Squad just wanted to kind of

605
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,920
give you guys some statistics for last
year since it's

606
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:47,559
2025 congratulations welcome to uh the
mayor position um and thank you to the

607
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:52,400
council uh Winterfest was great um last
month and we were very happy to

608
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:57,280
participate with that uh for 2024 we did
end up with uh we budgeted for 3,300

609
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:01,720
calls for services we did end up with
3,681 calls it's 12% higher than what we

610
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:06,000
uh anticipated which was great we're
able to do that it's averaging 10 calls

611
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:11,520
a day for the Emergency Squad that's 10
calls a day um out of those calls 546 of

612
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,839
those patients that did refuse so a lot
of times we go help people up on the

613
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,319
floor make sure they assess somebody has
motor vehicle accident on Route 130 just

614
00:54:16,359 --> 00:54:23,839
make sure that they're okay so um we've
been kind of busy with that um we did a

615
00:54:20,839 --> 00:54:27,839
total of 21575 hours of career time and
we also did 396 hours of volunteer time

616
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,200
so we do have volunteers that are still
Staffing the ambulances along with 38

617
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,200
hours of training that we did for this
year um in 2024 we did our fund drive

618
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:39,040
towards the end of the year we did
collect about $244,000 and we are

619
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,799
investing that money into two uh
mechanical CPR devices they're about

620
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:46,319
$118,000 each so we have a little bit
more money we're going to be putting

621
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:50,680
there but it also helps embrace the
additional scope practice that we did

622
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:57,000
for last year for 2024 so we're really
excited for what we're doing for 2025 um

623
00:54:53,720 --> 00:55:00,680
we uh are A51 C3 have been serving since
1939 you guys know that we really don't

624
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:05,200
take anything from you guys uh the
township does Supply us with fuel and

625
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:08,400
also the insurance for the ambulances
other than that everything else is were

626
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:12,359
covered through billables uh for
patients and insurances uh we do have a

627
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,040
global forgiveness which we do not put
anybody in collections and we do write

628
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:20,559
residents off if they're not able to pay
that bill and last year we wrote $

629
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:23,760
46,8 for residents so we're making sure
that they can feel confident when they

630
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:26,319
need to call 911 they can call 911 and
they're not going at the collections and

631
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,920
not going to be built for the services
so just want to say thank you and

632
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:35,760
welcome and if you guys anything less
thank you

633
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:44,760
[Applause]
absolutely uh moving on to boards and

634
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:49,920
committees no all right um next up uh
administrator Joe bolina no report this

635
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:56,920
evening Mr President thank you sir uh
clerk Jamie edar I also have thank you

636
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:59,960
Jamie next up mayor thank you uh first
thing I want to talk about is uh just a

637
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,359
little piece of business Joe and I
talked about with the new website um if

638
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:06,799
you guys can check it out when you go on
there there's a new popup for you guys

639
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:11,839
to report
potholes second I'd like to actually

640
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:17,760
address this resolution if that's okay
I'd like to uh I'd like to see the the

641
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:21,920
council relook at this obviously you
know I was voted to be the voice of the

642
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:27,160
people and I want to be that and they
ask for a change I'm proposing a change

643
00:56:34,359 --> 00:56:41,480
so we we've had discussions on it yes
okay are we going to continue to have

644
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:45,799
discussions uh we're always willing to
meet and

645
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,799
discuss in the

646
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:56,240
public FL is yours no it's okay I just
want to make sure we can reopen this

647
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,240
resolution and have discussions again
we'll talk to Al about

648
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:07,200
that talk about tonight or not tonight
you guys canc with the motion this

649
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,720
motion is dead but you can continue to
propose same firm for as long as you

650
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:17,799
want so these
guys okay and that's what we like

651
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:23,920
right I answer these are the guys I'm
going to answer to that's what they

652
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:30,599
want we'll putting it back on thank
you thank you Mr Mayor uh next up

653
00:57:27,799 --> 00:57:33,319
solicitor Almera the only report that I
would have is obviously you guys have

654
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:38,359
some
deadlines portable house we Mr here

655
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:44,720
tonight address that in executive
session so there there was some that

656
00:57:42,079 --> 00:57:52,079
into play that seing one to overturn the
new law but also to

657
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:59,319
stay deadline that that January 3 the
resolution have Mr to discuss that and

658
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,319
then we have that litigation

659
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:07,640
discussing great thank you Al um next
move on to council members I go all the

660
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:12,319
way down to my far right Mr
Mara thank you council

661
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:17,599
president um before I get into some of
the things I had wanted to discuss in

662
00:58:14,359 --> 00:58:21,960
the in my M minutes here um I do want to
address the the residents that are here

663
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:27,200
tonight um um dealing with that
resolution and you asked questions that

664
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:33,640
are legit why you know you want to know
how we feel this is my time to tell you

665
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:37,640
I served on Council from 2008 until 2014
I served on the planning board for 12

666
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:43,240
years and in those years I worked with
CNA and I know that the job they did was

667
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:47,480
outstanding I had no issues now I've
been away for 10 years from the council

668
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,640
now when people say well how many
projects do you have on we haven't even

669
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:56,720
had a work session here so how would I
know how many projects we have going

670
00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:00,920
right you you well I'm just newly
elected I haven't had a discussion with

671
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:04,480
the mayor with on any of this stuff yet
with this resolution he hasn't reached

672
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:10,000
out to me to talk to me about this I'm
more than open to talk to anybody about

673
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:16,400
anything I don't owe anybody
anything I am a guy who lives in town

674
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:22,000
who decided to run when almost 19,000
RIT lived in this town seven or eight of

675
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:26,160
us decided to run and represent and do a
good job and that's what I'm up here to

676
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:30,559
do so if anybody if he wants to sit down
and discuss stuff I'm more than open to

677
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:36,359
do that but I did not I do not do social
media I do not do Facebook I do not do

678
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:40,760
Tik Tok I do not do Instagram I'm old
school guys okay born and raised in

679
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:46,880
Riverside grew up on riverdrive my
father's house was built there in

680
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:50,200
1958 so I know the area well so I'm just
saying I'm more than willing to work

681
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:55,160
with the mayor on anything but there has
to be a line of communication absolutely

682
00:59:52,920 --> 01:00:00,240
but not through Facebook and not through
Tik Tok and their social media call me

683
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:03,839
up come over my house we'll have a beer
mayor Barnes we talked before you

684
01:00:02,359 --> 01:00:07,559
reached out to me in the very beginning
I haven't heard from you since so I'm

685
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,680
more than willing to do any of that so
everybody's clear on that and that's

686
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:16,359
what I'll leave at
that um some of the things I talked

687
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:20,000
about on on the swearing in that night
um that we working with Council and

688
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:24,160
mayor going forward I would like to try
to get done in town we have a rental

689
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:28,480
enforcement program that was passed a
few months ago well it's time we

690
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:32,039
actually get some teeth and get moving
on that so if it takes getting a housing

691
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,520
inspector to get something done to
inspect these housing rentals that are

692
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,160
popping up in our Township I do not want
to see what's happening in towns like

693
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:42,559
Riverside where they turn into what I
call bedroom town a town I grew up in

694
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:46,640
it's heartbreaking to see what's
happening there I do not want that to

695
01:00:44,359 --> 01:00:50,720
see it happen in our community rental
properties lower the home values of the

696
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,160
houses around them and they ruin the
fabric of our neighborhoods and I do not

697
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:58,599
think anybody wants that to happen so I
want to try to get something going with

698
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:03,039
that and getting an inspector whether
it's full-time part-time mayor when we

699
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:07,440
when you start to work on your budget
maybe we can fit something like that in

700
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:12,000
there also I talked about working with
the police department one thing I would

701
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:15,680
really love to do is get the mine unit
that's something that the township had

702
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:19,880
many years ago not only does it has our
Township grown in population growth from

703
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:25,000
the apartment complexes and housing
developments and that invites crime

704
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:28,880
crime is about opportunity so in order
to do that we need to to enforce the our

705
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:33,760
Police Department so I'm more than
willing to work with them and see how we

706
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:37,680
can get a canine unit going and and also
speeding is also a major issue we all

707
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,559
have going through our neighborhoods
when I knocked on doors I heard that I

708
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:45,839
live on pan Co Boulevard the speeding
that goes up and down my street is

709
01:01:43,319 --> 01:01:49,480
unreal so the police can't just be on
every corner but there are things that

710
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:53,240
we can possibly look into to doing and
monitoring the speeding in the town and

711
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:57,240
giving tickets enough of the warnings
it's time to issue tickets you're not

712
01:01:55,039 --> 01:02:02,200
racing and speed through Daran Township
anymore our kids and our grandkids are

713
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:05,319
too important to have that happen also I
want to work with the public works

714
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,760
department they're doing such a great
job in our Township when I was a

715
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:12,440
councilman when I first got on here they
were still going behind the leaf truck

716
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:16,599
doing the oldfashioned way well now we
started with one armed Bandits I don't

717
01:02:14,359 --> 01:02:21,279
know how many we have now do we know two
three je three and that's just once

718
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:24,720
again investing in our community making
it more efficient getting more things

719
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:30,039
done and it makes their job easier
causes less um guys getting hurt and

720
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:34,799
working is Cal which also costs us money
also I would like to work on the

721
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:38,640
riverfront area um the harbor District
area it's been dilapidated for many

722
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:45,000
years a long River Drive there long
River Road um we have um most of those

723
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:48,799
Harbors have been um closed down now but
we can try to work with those owners I

724
01:02:46,839 --> 01:02:52,480
know there were some rumors um about a
year ago about something about the tow

725
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:56,039
houses and this and that being built out
there well I'm not for any of that okay

726
01:02:54,839 --> 01:03:00,240
I would love to see something something
like canoing kayaking passive Recreation

727
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:04,200
being done down there bring it back to
life I think we can do that I think we

728
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,680
can clean up that area down there
there's also we have garages down here

729
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:12,640
um what I would used to call service
stations um they're turning into

730
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:16,400
junkyards and they need to be cleaned up
and it's a reflection on our community

731
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:21,160
and we shouldn't tolerate that kind of
stuff also I like to continue working on

732
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:26,240
the community park it's come such a long
way from 2008 and 2009 when we purchased

733
01:03:24,839 --> 01:03:30,079
that property from a major your housing
development but I think we can do some

734
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:34,480
more really good things there it's great
Sports Complex there's a pickle ball I

735
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,400
think in discussion at some point but I
well talk to Residents about an

736
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:41,119
Amphitheater something to do summer
concerts down there to make residents

737
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,960
get more involved and they they were
like yeah that sounds great so maybe

738
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:49,279
something we can do there also the
gentleman talked about the tractor

739
01:03:46,279 --> 01:03:55,000
trailer driving on chest Ry sir I work
at Simon in Shuster okay I've been there

740
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,680
26 years so I obviously there maybe a
conflict eventure maybe maybe not I

741
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:02,880
don't know that yet but I do agree with
you with the truck traffic I live on pan

742
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:06,279
Coast I live free houses off of Fairview
Street the Mount of truck traffic that

743
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:10,640
goes down Fairy Street down into
Riverside is unbelievable some townships

744
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:14,559
I know in burington Township some
streets you cannot go down at certain

745
01:04:12,359 --> 01:04:18,760
hours with truck traffic they can so
townships can take steps to to stop and

746
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:24,559
enforce those things so maybe we can
look into that and and work on that um

747
01:04:22,599 --> 01:04:27,799
so I do understand your concern there
sir and even though you don't live in

748
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:31,440
our town I grew up in there and I know
exactly where you live by the way so

749
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:36,559
with all that said I thank you all for
being here your your comments are not on

750
01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:40,839
theft ear I've heard you okay so like I
said we open up our Communications I

751
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,520
like I said I look forward to working
with you I work with past past

752
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:49,319
administrations and past people I have
no problem with that so thank you so

753
01:04:46,359 --> 01:04:58,160
much for that thank you thank you
councilman uh next up uh nikk okay good

754
01:04:54,440 --> 01:05:04,760
evening everybody and been near again um
so coming to the uh comments we had um

755
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:13,839
regarding the engineering firm when I
make a decision is based on

756
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:18,640
facts um the engineering firm that is
being placed before us is something I

757
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:22,240
don't know anything about I am not a
robber

758
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:29,279
Stamper um when I got on Council two
years ago and I was introduced the CME I

759
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:36,079
had no complaints
so people voted me in to make decisions

760
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:40,920
based on issues that if it's going to be
there we'll fix it now I've been here

761
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:45,799
two
years

762
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:50,559
and I still have to find
out what the issues the real issues are

763
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:57,000
that we have to deal with that has to do
with seeing me for me to make a decision

764
01:05:53,160 --> 01:06:03,200
I do my research um
just

765
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:05,680
because with all due respect please with
all due

766
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:13,440
respect all the appointments we had from
the last

767
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:18,720
meeting the major had a majority I mean
the mayor had a majority of them we

768
01:06:16,119 --> 01:06:22,240
worked with
him when we are working in a

769
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:27,160
professional
environment it's easy to

770
01:06:27,279 --> 01:06:34,079
decide to make a decision based on
what's on the outside but we need to

771
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:40,240
look deep and I'm doing my research and
I need to know why is it that we really

772
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:45,240
want to change the
engineer what is the real reason behind

773
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:50,680
that and that's what I need to find out
I'm not asking anybody a question I'm

774
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:57,880
doing my public
statement everybody up there is an adult

775
01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:05,079
and mayor
hudkins with all due respect all the

776
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:11,160
appointments you had almost 99% of
them you did

777
01:07:07,279 --> 01:07:16,279
not go against anything because you work
with a council president and you all we

778
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:20,920
all did our research and we were all
updated when that issue was brought up

779
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:25,839
with CME I'm like okay I need to find
out the real reason why we don't want

780
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:30,760
them to do the work
I live on

781
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:35,839
Stewart coming back to the flood we keep
hearing about the flood I live on

782
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:39,680
Stewart my my house was flooded during
Hurricane

783
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:44,920
Sandy and I didn't see any
neighbors to let me know that there's a

784
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:49,839
way to get that fixed and like I told my
neighbor when she approached me I'm like

785
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:56,160
you know what when we make decisions and
we have issues to face Let's Get the

786
01:07:52,920 --> 01:08:00,799
facts and make decisions B on the fact
and there's some things we can fix some

787
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:07,240
things we cannot fix when we had the
last issue with quote unquote flooding I

788
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:10,680
went to several homes and I looked into
those

789
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:16,000
homes the water wasn't coming from the
river it was coming from under the

790
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:24,199
ground that's a major issue that's a
major issue that needs to be

791
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:29,839
addressed now from what I unod from Miss
pomerans is that she she had information

792
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:34,520
from decades ago so I'm like I've been
on Council two years and I never got

793
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:39,040
that information from her I'm getting
information as we go along so it's not

794
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:44,319
that we don't care about the
residents but it's like if I'm making a

795
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:51,880
decision it has to be
factual it has to be based on

796
01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:56,520
issues because if I'm deciding it's like
you're hiring somebody right when you're

797
01:08:54,359 --> 01:09:02,400
going to decide to fight somebody it has
to be with

798
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:07,159
C now I can't just sit down because
um it's on the

799
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:13,080
agenda and I'm like okay yeah rubber
stamp rubber stamp everything when I got

800
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:18,279
on Council every appointment that made
when I first started I ran everything by

801
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:22,679
the council president like I'm doing now
I'm like I don't know anything about

802
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:26,600
this firm or this professional I need to
get some

803
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:34,520
information one once I get information I
believe that is going to benefit the

804
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:38,000
residents I make my decision so we need
to work

805
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:48,080
together we need to work together I have
also offered the residents in Riverside

806
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:52,640
Park that feel free to let me know
what's going

807
01:09:49,239 --> 01:09:58,000
on we will continue we have started to
put together a team to work on River

808
01:09:55,600 --> 01:10:02,120
side park because that's a bigger issue
than we all can handle over here that is

809
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:07,640
something that's going to be
ongoing um the previous council

810
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:11,960
president had me start with um
councilman

811
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:15,080
Jenning as a team um we were going to go
forward with that but the election came

812
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:18,239
up we still going to go forward with
that and we're going to look into

813
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:22,960
resources that we need and how we can
fix

814
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:28,080
it everybody up here I believe on
Council live in Del r so we all care

815
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:35,480
about Del
Ran and we all care about for example I

816
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:41,000
have W one there's a whole lot of people
in W one so when I'm making a decision I

817
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:48,199
consider all the residents of Del Ren
plus all the residents in W one so when

818
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:53,239
the media you know suggest something
I'll do my research I will ask questions

819
01:10:50,800 --> 01:11:00,360
I will look into it and then I'll make a
decision but Su just say that we are not

820
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:08,320
working with the mayor I believe we
should be you know mayor hutkins I

821
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:13,679
respect you a lot and like I said before
we went over all the appointments you

822
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:17,520
had we did not do anything to say okay
well the mayor's not going to have this

823
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:22,960
because we got to serve the residents
this one Whatever this one thing is we

824
01:11:20,679 --> 01:11:27,560
will work on it but I need more
information to make an informed decision

825
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:32,719
and since I've been on Counsel I would
say this it's always good to give credit

826
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:38,320
where it's due I have not seen any
issues with CME so I will still continue

827
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:43,360
to support them for the residents until
we can say okay well CME cost the town a

828
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:48,760
m now
loss but I'm like and I'm still going to

829
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:56,320
ask everybody who's here to think about
it what is the real reason behind you

830
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:56,320
wanting to get rid of an engine

831
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:02,080
change can be negative and change can be

832
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:08,719
positive when you're hire when we are
hiring I'll say this again when an

833
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:12,000
employer is hiring there's a lot of
business people here when you're hiring

834
01:12:10,719 --> 01:12:17,280
somebody you're not going to hire
somebody because of change you're going

835
01:12:13,639 --> 01:12:17,280
to hire somebody because they can do the

836
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:25,960
job I am making my public comments
please I'm making my report you ask the

837
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:31,239
question
I'm answering the question you didn't

838
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:31,239
listen to what we had to

839
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:43,560
say man with all due
respect with all due

840
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:49,400
respect I don't want to say anything
about how people like me get treated in

841
01:12:46,199 --> 01:12:49,400
this country with all due

842
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:57,880
respect with all due
respect with all due respect

843
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:03,639
with all due
respect

844
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:07,760
unb with I know I've lived in Delan for
a time

845
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:13,440
now and trust
me trust me I live in Delan for a town

846
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:21,000
for a time for a while
now and I've been in Delan since

847
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:26,600
2005 so I'll come back to the uh factual
reasons for not moving forward on

848
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:31,239
anything regarding the engineering like
I said

849
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:35,560
before I don't have any hard facts to
say they've failed the Township in terms

850
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:39,520
of costing US dollars because that's
what about taxpayer

851
01:13:37,239 --> 01:13:43,920
dollars
and based on the advice from my council

852
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:48,880
president and those who have been here a
long time and from the administrator we

853
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:56,560
will continue to look into
it with all due

854
01:13:52,639 --> 01:13:59,719
respect thank you um councilman Smith
yeah thank you very much uh just a

855
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:04,199
couple quick things uh first and
foremost wanted to thank the uh

856
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:09,400
Department of Public Works uh they did a
fantastic job with uh the snow removal

857
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:15,280
with the two snow events we had recently
um always do a fantastic job also wanted

858
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:20,199
to thank uh uh our EMS to do a fantastic
U service for the community I didn't

859
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:24,440
know that you guys answered roughly 10
calls a day that's that's amazing so and

860
01:14:23,159 --> 01:14:29,600
especially with the you know all the
volunteer that you have there uh thank

861
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:34,639
you very much and continue to do a great
job for our

862
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:40,639
town uh now I will address the uh issue
about the uh the engineer could you pick

863
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,560
up a little louder please oh sorry I
can't hear

864
01:14:44,679 --> 01:14:52,440
hey is this
better thank

865
01:14:49,679 --> 01:15:00,760
you so uh we'll address the issue about
the engineering uh first and foremost um

866
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:06,639
I'm very pragmatic um when we have our
engineering firm they're currently out

867
01:15:03,639 --> 01:15:14,040
there doing jobs if we were to switch
Engineers we'd have to pay that cost

868
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:19,000
twice to a new engineering firm secondly
from a lead time perspective there's a

869
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:24,120
lot of projects that are underway I know
that the residents we heard a lot from

870
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:30,520
tonight uh are concerned about the Le
time I know got the uh Army Corp

871
01:15:27,159 --> 01:15:37,480
engineer project it's taken years we
would be taking a step back if we

872
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:43,600
switched out and went to another firm um
when you take a look at all those things

873
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:49,320
for me it made the most sense to
continue with CME for these high value

874
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:53,880
very important projects that are taking
place in uh some of our most U vable

875
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:59,280
neighborhoods especially when it comes
down to uh water

876
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:05,560
so that's the reason that I did not uh
support the change of the engineering

877
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:10,480
firm and the report thank you Marlo uh
next up councilman Jenny thank you

878
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:14,920
council president uh number one uh I
want to uh congratulate the fire

879
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:19,760
department uh this past weekend Saturday
and Sunday Lake Lonnie uh they were

880
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:24,960
doing uh certifications of winter water
rescues uh literally going breaking open

881
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:28,920
pieces of the Ice uh going into the ice
ice and in protective suits and

882
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:33,120
practicing the procedure to to take
someone out of the lake should they be

883
01:16:30,679 --> 01:16:38,040
in the lake p through the ice it was
really impressive uh and they had uh a

884
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:42,719
number of people
certified uh any with the green team any

885
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:46,040
uh one has Christmas lights that are not
functional or you want to get rid of

886
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:50,920
them don't throw them out don't put them
in a landfill bring them in here and put

887
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:55,800
them in the uh box for the Christmas
lights um regarding the Sammy um I'm

888
01:16:54,639 --> 01:16:59,719
going to keep it short because a lot
been said and I agree with most

889
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:05,120
everything that's been said uh I support
uh maintaining CME because number one of

890
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:09,000
their performance I've been involved
with them for four years and I've seen

891
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:16,880
good performance no one is perfect in
this world um but I make decisions on

892
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:22,159
facts and not politics uh the facts are
that as M as Mr Smith had said my big

893
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:25,360
concern is the cost is going to cost us
to change right now with all the

894
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,760
projects we've been working on money
that we've already paid out and then

895
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:34,040
money that's going to have to be spent
to catch up uh that's uh one and like I

896
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:39,719
said my experience would see me has been
good uh I understand all of the uh

897
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:43,800
emotion and I understand also that you
know social media politicking I don't

898
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:48,679
really care for but that's why you're
here um and supporting the mayor uh I

899
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:54,199
know there are a lot of other reasons
maybe why ER might be a candidate we'll

900
01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:59,080
leave it at that um but at this point I
don't see any reason reason to change uh

901
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:04,280
we are the only Council the past Council
that I was a member of that has gotten

902
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:09,040
any action on the flooding in Riverside
Park nothing's been done in the past

903
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:13,880
there was some cursory Communications
with uh the uh only core of engineers

904
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:19,520
but nothing ever followed up on we
followed up we actually have a contract

905
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:25,520
that'll be doing uh a planning and we're
moving forward with that uh you

906
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:31,400
addressed someone addressed the um
um balloon type uh devices that uh are

907
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:35,080
available we've been looking at that and
it's been extremely in fact I have an

908
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:40,679
article from Florida how they've using
tiger Dan for a long time and it has

909
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:46,000
substantially reduced the flooding that
would be a short-term fix the long-term

910
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:51,760
fix is coming from the Army cor of
Engineers as uh the mayor Delano mayor

911
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:55,920
said they've been with the AI for 12
years and I don't think a reason to

912
01:18:53,960 --> 01:19:01,840
change is is the reason that you want to
change a major player in our Township

913
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:07,120
just for the sake of change uh I uh work
I will work with uh mayor Barnes uh we

914
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:11,840
work together uh a couple times in our
meetings we discussed this in fact the

915
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:16,480
first meeting when I ever met um uh
mayor hutkins uh I expressed to him the

916
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:20,360
fact that I thought the only thing that
was important that I think we need to

917
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:24,719
pursue is maintaining our Engineering
Group and then Tom and I met with him

918
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:28,159
again to discuss the appointments and
and as was stated all the appointments

919
01:19:26,679 --> 01:19:34,719
except for one were
approved we just do not feel that CME

920
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:38,679
has done anything that requires a change
and I think it will be very costly at

921
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:43,600
this point and that's my reasoning for
it um that's enough said I think

922
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:50,360
enough's been said on that subject thank
you very much for listening thank you uh

923
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:54,920
councilman Jenny uh and for my report um
I did put together a quick statement on

924
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:58,600
the engineering uh change uh we do
appreciate the idea of exploring a new

925
01:19:56,639 --> 01:20:02,440
vendor for engineering while I
appreciate the initiative and openness

926
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:06,760
to change I'd like to ensure that any
decisions we make are driven by clear

927
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:11,120
benefits for the residents and
organization currently our existing

928
01:20:09,159 --> 01:20:15,120
vendor for engineering has been
performing well and meeting our needs

929
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:20,440
effectively unless there are specific
issues or compelling advantages that the

930
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:25,360
new engineer can guarantee to offer such
as cost savings improved quality or

931
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:31,080
enhanced features it may not make sense
to transition at this time engineering

932
01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:36,360
changes often come with Associated risks
such as disruption in Services learning

933
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:40,199
curves or unexpected costs if there are
specific challenges or areas for

934
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:44,480
improvement with our curent engineer
we'd be happy to discuss them further

935
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:49,440
and explore their Alternatives but if
the change is primarily for the sake of

936
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:54,080
change it might be more beneficial to
focus on optimizing our current

937
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:58,239
relationship instead please know that
the issues that the mayor and some of

938
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:02,320
the residents have brought up are either
currently being discussed with our

939
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:07,320
engineer or will be forthcoming we
expect CME to meet or exceed our

940
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:11,840
expectations in
2025 please know that our administrator

941
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:16,440
Department of Public Works and
Construction office have full faith in

942
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:20,159
CME and look forward to working with
them in

943
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:25,920
2025 and I can assure you I have
personally told CME if you do not need

944
01:21:23,199 --> 01:21:31,840
or exceed our expectations in
2025 I'll be the first one going to the

945
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:38,840
mayor and say dude let's do it okay but
um I do support keeping CME and having

946
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:46,120
them for 2025 and working uh with the
new mayor also um you know they

947
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:50,600
they they do some really nice jobs in
town and I there's a Litney list of

948
01:21:48,639 --> 01:21:54,960
great projects they've done and we all
know Delan Community Park is a great

949
01:21:52,800 --> 01:22:00,239
Park including Jake's Place and they
were involved with that the Brown Street

950
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:05,239
field excuse me they were involved with
that project and that's a nice project

951
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:10,719
also upcoming we have the Hartford Road
sidewalk Improvement which is um from

952
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:15,040
Ashley Crossings to Fairview Street and
we got a grant they secured a

953
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:19,639
$145,000 grant that's going to create a
sidewalk from Ashley Crossings up to

954
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:23,760
Fair viiew where there is none so you
have to cross the road to go over to

955
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:29,880
where that shopping area is since we've
had CNA they have secured 5.3 million in

956
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:37,080
Grants for Us Safe Streets of Transit
1.3 million local Aid 2.6 million

957
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:41,560
burington County and cdbg
1.45 million which is the

958
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:49,440
5.3
million um also we do work for the

959
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:54,120
residents we work for all the residents
and um one of the one of the issues

960
01:22:51,639 --> 01:22:59,080
somebody brought up that uh you may not
think care because I'm looking down but

961
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:04,600
when people speak while you might not be
able to read my chicken scratch I am

962
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:08,760
taking notes from when people speak so
we can take a look at it and address

963
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:13,480
those issues so please don't take me
looking down as not caring or not

964
01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:21,360
listening because I am taking notes with
everyone who spoke here today um next

965
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:26,320
thing I'd like to say is um shout out
for the fire department and EMS the

966
01:23:23,719 --> 01:23:32,520
piggyback I was out there with the mayor
for the ice Rescue Training event and

967
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:37,320
the practice ice Rescue Training it's
got to be cold and it was cold it's not

968
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:43,679
sunny and 70 um they did a great job a
lot of people got certified and um they

969
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:51,520
both asked they asked us to go in as
rest people and we both chickened out so

970
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:55,760
um but they did a great job um also to
um the fire department and EMS and the

971
01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:59,760
police we've had some pretty bad
accidents lately we appreciate

972
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:04,040
everything they do to take care of those
folks who who got in accidents and get

973
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:09,199
them safely to where they need to be and
get traffic moving

974
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:14,520
again also thank you to the DPW for the
the job they did with that minor snow

975
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:19,920
event um also all the employees thank
you for the job you did in

976
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:25,880
2024 hopefully they have a great 2025 we
do appreciate our public employees a lot

977
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:31,920
of times they go unrecognized and
they're unsung heroes but we do

978
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:39,600
appreciate that and listen it's we we
all from the beginning we said we'd work

979
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:44,639
with the new mayor and listen that all
the appointments and whatnot and we're

980
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:50,360
very very fortunate that we got rfps
from a lot of competent um professionals

981
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:57,280
okay
um no listen no dis disrespect to Al or

982
01:24:54,920 --> 01:25:03,040
your Law Firm or whatnot the Great Law
Firm I my union dealt with him um back

983
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:09,159
when I was still working and wasn't
retired Maro law was not my my first

984
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:14,440
choice for the law firm but you know
what it was the Mayors and I talked to

985
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:19,320
council and I said it's a good reputable
Law Firm they're going to do a really

986
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:24,639
good job for us so let's go with Maro
law same thing with the conflict

987
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:31,520
attorney okay wasn't my first choice
chice but the conflict attorney is a

988
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:37,159
reputable Law Firm they'll do a good job
so it's not like we're up here just

989
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:43,239
saying H giving them the Heisman we're
not okay so but the one thing that we

990
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:48,760
did say and we have agreed to disagree
on is we're pretty Resolute with keeping

991
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:53,320
CME for
20125 there's nothing that says we have

992
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:57,840
to keep them going forward and they are
on notice Hey listen we think you do a

993
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:02,040
great job you need to continue to do a
great job and where these shortfalls are

994
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:06,520
and what's being brought up you're going
to need to address this [ __ ] all right

995
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:11,080
so whether and we we'll come up with a
resolution I promise you we're going to

996
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:14,920
look take a look at it um already some
of the things that people emailed me

997
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:19,800
have been sent over to the engineering
firm and we'll have those discussions in

998
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:25,159
those meetings um so with that that's
the end of my report and what we need

999
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:30,719
now is a motion to go and to Executive
session resolution

1000
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:35,159
20254 to discuss attorney client
privilege affordable housing and

1001
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:40,199
litigation Jody Klein versus Delan
Township can I have a motion please I

1002
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:44,320
make a motion have a second all in favor
I

1003
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:49,480
anyos all right we're in executive
session we are not anticipating any kind

1004
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:53,840
of action from executive session but we
will come back out after executive

1005
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,239
session open back up and close the
meeting

1006
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:17,320
all right we're back uh can I get a
motion to come out of the executive

1007
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:24,840
session so moves have a second I'll
second all in favor I any

1008
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:30,560
opposed motion carries uh next stop I
need a motion to adjourn motion do we

1009
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:36,960
not have I have a second second that
excuse me we already had it we already

1010
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:42,199
had it that was I thought for just the
that that was like to address Mrs AO uh

1011
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:47,000
she used my name I want to address her
uh do we have a second to

1012
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:50,239
adjourn I made the second all right all
in

1013
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:57,400
favor any
opposed motion motion Carri

1014
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,400
I'll talk