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And they will be reviewing the goes of Jackson and Policies for those elements, and at this time, I'll turn it over to Kathy and Jason from Access and J.B. Pro.

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Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Jordan.

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And Vice Mayor.

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As mentioned tonight, we are in workshop 6. We're going to do a quick recap of the feature land use.

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address some of the comments that we heard after the meeting, go through the economic development

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element, the parks and recreation element, the infrastructure element, and then talk about

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what is coming next. We would ask if you have it with you, if you could keep the goals of

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tourism policies for these three elements open. That way, if you have any questions, we can

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address them at the time that you're asking. But just like last month, if you have additional

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comments after the meeting. We will address those at next month's meeting.

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So here we are

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in workshop six. The last workshop you may recall was the first time we started going through

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goals of objectives and policies. And for the next three months we will continue to do that

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before we transmit at the end of the year.

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So we recap on the mixed use. These were some of the

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comments we received after the meeting. The first one dealt with density and rural possible

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parcels and just to remind everyone that all the density we're talking about in these mixed

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use areas are in urban areas. That's the point of a mixed use area. We will get into the general

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standards for all of the other future land use elements and components and areas at next

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months meeting future land use outside of the mixed use areas is one of the primary focuses for

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month along with transportation. So, and housing. So, in these areas, we're really focusing

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on increasing the density to these mixed-use areas. We know that mixed-use areas work best

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when they have a greater amount of density. That's what makes a mixed-use area of really thrive

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is that you're focusing your density into these larger area into these specific core areas.

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It does two things for community.

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One, it targets that development and targets that vibrant sense of place that you expect

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to see in a mixed use area, say, makes use like a downtown deland, which is another community

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that vibrancy and compare and think about how that translates to tonight's meeting.

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So, you want to see the density in these focus areas that will allow for lesser density

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in suburbanized residential neighborhoods and gives the families that live in those single

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family neighborhoods that quality of life that they really want in the rural areas, the

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quality of life they want. By focusing the development into these central mixed use areas,

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we're able to maximize the development that happens in there. We're also able to increase the

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economic activity of these areas, another community I visited today, was in a more rural

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community and they have a lot of vacancies and one of the major things that I was talking

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about with the community there was, where's the workforce, where are the jobs and that's a challenge

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you have and makes use. If you don't have the, if you don't have the vibrancy, if you don't have

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the activity, if you're not pulling in those economic activities into those areas, you have a lot

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They can store friends and they just don't work as well.

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while we don't know whether or not Amendment 3 will pass,

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having these economic areas and having these areas that really

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strive for economic development, which we're going to talk about more in detail

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in just a little bit, is really important.

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The next one was about building heights and nine stories for uptown.

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Again, we, this is specifically for your downtown community

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And nine stories was based on similar types of communities that we worked with that we looked at.

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And similar types of places that we looked at in the Central Florida region.

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So when we looked at the nine stories, this is specifically for your uptown downtown town center,

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whatever you want to call that major area of your community.

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these aren't your community mix center use centers, or your neighborhood mix centers.

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This is the one that is meant to be the most economically diverse and vibrant place.

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And then developer impact and excessive density.

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The comprehensive plan establishes a maximum density for these areas, but once again.

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Again, these areas are meant to be as dense as we possibly can make them and appropriate for that mixed use category.

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So that's why we have three different mixed use categories. We have the neighborhood, we have the community, and we have the uptown and each one of them has different density standards for each type,

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because each one is meant to be different. So your neighborhood next to center has the least amount of density, and it's meant to be one story, two story buildings,

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very much of a main street type area, a community main street area that you would go to.

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The community mix, your centers, those have a little more density of a little more

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high up to five and six stories, depending if it's on the corridor or if it's on the

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downtown area, but in these areas are meant to serve the greater, a larger community area,

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but they're again, not meant to be your focused downtown, and then your focused downtown,

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your uptown, your town center has the greatest amount of density, great amount of intensity,

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but it's in a very strategic location, located near the interchange with I-4, and designated

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as the future commercial center near your industrial area, near where your warehousing is,

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where the high school is, where your hospital is, this is an area that really is meant

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to drive your economic development for that you would expect a downtown Uptown Town Center to do so.

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I want to one more comment about the developer impact and excessive density is that it is.

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So mixed use development is a little bit more challenging for developers to do and it is that density intensity that incentivizes them to do it.

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There are a lot of, it's much easier for a developer to do a suburban strip Plaza, it's much easier for them to do the traditional types of economic development that we see in suburban communities.

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So in order to incentivize the mixed use development, which is a little more challenging, that's where the density comes in place.

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So in fact, the comment dealt with, we were giving away too much density for developers and in

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fact that is what incentivize them to want to develop these kind of areas.

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conservation lands and what we're going to do is work with staff to create an overlay area,

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specifically targeting where residential is allowed in these areas and applying the density only

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to those areas so that anything outside of those areas

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would not have the density attached to it.

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and the economic centers and densities in building height,

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and these areas, and we're going to, again, work with staff

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so we'll come back to you with more details on this one.

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But the economic center in the J.P.A.A. Osteen area

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was meant to mirror the J.P.A, and we're going

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make sure that the language does that.

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And then mapping and location clarifications and we've added new details to the map.

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So this is just, this is, this is not really to get into today again.

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We're going to talk more in detail about this, this was staff, but the blue areas on the map

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on the left are the Osteen areas that are within the city and so we're going to work with staff

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to make sure that the however we end up including this in the future land use map whether it's

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in through an economic center or whether it's just through the Osteen JPA designation. It is not

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to in any way change what is already existing and the entitlements that already exist in that area

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through the GPA.

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So if there are no further questions about last month's meeting we'll

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start talking about this month's meeting.

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I don't see any questions. Thank you. Okay. So just once again

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I was a reminder we established our guiding principles as part of the vision plan and they were

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to support Deltone's family-friendly identity to prioritize redevelopment over new development

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by focusing growth to areas that are already served by infrastructure and services.

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To cultivate a walk-able mixed use environment, we're people of all ages, can safely access

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live workplace, shop, and grow within walking distance of their homes.

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to cultivate an economy economy.

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A, a, a, a economy, the features a diverse range of industrial industries and jobs to enhance

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the autonomous transportation system by prioritizing safety, improved connectivity and accommodating

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all major forms of motorized and non-motorized travel, and to protect autonomous natural resources.

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And then finally to maintain and prioritize maintaining and enhancing the quality of life.

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of Delton is existing public facilities over expansion and law

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of ensuring new developments are sufficiently assessed for the cost of infrastructure expansion.

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And please keep in mind these colors are purposeful because we mark each one of the goals of

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with that we're going to start with the economic development element, I will go through the

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I'm a development element because it's again closer related to the mixed-use centers.

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And as I mentioned earlier, it really is the economic development that is driving the

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development of those mixed-use centers in addition to being able to provide that walkability

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within close relationship to neighborhoods by ensuring that areas that are developed and

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howdy haven't for structure are maximized.

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All of those things drove that mixed-use center, but in the end what's really driving it

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recognizing that Deltona is predominantly today a single family neighborhood, a large

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single family area, and we really need to increase the amount of economic land and the

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economic value that is coming out of Deltona and providing families and opportunity to

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live work and play in their community and not become just a, not having to commute outside

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for their jobs.

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So the driving components of economic development were higher wage job growth, mixed use centers

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in those corridors, infrastructure mobility for commerce and workforce talent and higher education.

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So let's start with goal 1, which is diverse highway job growth, develop strategic resources

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to foster a healthy and stable economic environment with diverse higher wage job growth

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and enhances the quality of life for delta-ness citizens.

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An objective 1.1 is targeted industry recruitment.

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The first policy in that section is economic development,

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planning and partnerships.

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This deals with ensuring that as we grow our economic development,

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we work with our partners to do so.

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The next one is land development entitlements,

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and this is to make sure that the objective and associated

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policies deals with making sure that we have the appropriate

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plans for economic development, business retention and expansion, recognizing that the easiest

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grab job to expand is the one that is already here. It is always cheaper to retain

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and expand an existing business and it is to attract a new one. And then understanding

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that those industries that we target need to have an associated workforce that is related to

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are there any questions about economic development objective one?

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No questions on ED1.

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The next objective in economic development dealt with business retention expansion and

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on-term partnership.

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The first policy deals with identifying opportunity sites, and this is, again, targeting

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specific sites that we would like to identify for the future growth and development of existing

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businesses, program and vacancies, incentivizing new businesses, and intergovernmental coordination.

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Are there any questions or comments about economic development objective too?

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Commissioner Nobick.

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Under the opportunity to cite identification,

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where infrastructure is a major factor in that.

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Yes, that's right.

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utilities, gas, water sewer, how do we, where do we write that in as far as, who's paying

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for that, what mechanisms and trade-offs are available,

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cost-sharing, particularly, so if somebody

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is going to require a eight-inch water line, but it makes sense to put a 12-in, how do we

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sure that there's the ability to cost share that that's a great question some of that is also

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touched upon in the infrastructure element related to those those utilities that we'll touch on a

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little bit we're trying to not obviously you got to be careful of how specific you get in these policies

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I think you make a great point of, you don't want to spell that out exactly, and it have applied to everything, because every project is going to be different.

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I think what staff has worked with us on, and I think their feedback has been, you know, put in place some policies that call out tools that we want to be able to use, and then through whether it's strategic planning, master planning of your utilities or other things like that, that you can, you can do the specifics through those options.

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So, you'll see a lot of that in these elements where it's not deferring to, but it's saying,

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you're basically on the road for making sure your master plans and other things are updated,

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and you'll do the details through there.

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Thank you.

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That's a great point of identifying those areas in opportunities where if we're going to have to knock an

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off a development not just for this one project, but the greater mixed use area or center or what have you.

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Yeah, because you don't want to run a 6-inch natural gas line down Fort Smith out towards

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how in Boulevard, because they only need a 6-inch print-end user.

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You want to have it upsized enough at the beginning so that you can feed and branch off

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and have enough availability for the second-third fourth project without having to rerun the line.

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Right. And then you have the flip side to that too, where you don't want to

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I have a lot of companies that end up dumping water.

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They open their fire hydrants, and they have to cycle the water.

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You don't want to get into situations like that.

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So I think those details in that planning,

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plus you got budget issues, pop up from time to time legislation,

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you want to make sure that you're empowered to make those decisions

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when needed, and that's kind of what the policies are trying to do

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rather than specify exactly.

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You shall up size, I think that'll get you kind of in a spot

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where you may not want to in a certain situation.

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And we're trying to be that specific.

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I think this highlights, this also highlights the importance of commissions moving forward and

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staff moving forward with updating our master plants, whether it be storm water, wastewater, water,

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even parks and wreck and trails and all of those things as well as they're not just for that single

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subject matter, they also play into the larger discussion over guiding, guiding development

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to the appropriate areas. Yes. And we've had that discussion before about trying to use this plan as

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business budgeting tool is a guide tool, right? So that you can continue to do those more specifics

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on every five years cycle, 10 years cycle, whatever it may be that's appropriate for that plan.

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And remember by doing that, which this way, this comprehensive plan is set up with

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with staff is that you're more nimble in your localized plans, your parks plan, your infrastructure

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plan, your capital impermanence plan. You have a lot more control over those so don't get reviewed

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by the state. So by establishing a framework that those things happen here in the Comprehensive

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Plan but making the details available in the specific special area plan is more is a more strategic

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way of using the documents for you is staff, and I don't know George and that was something

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that we discussed a lot.

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Do you want to come any further on that?

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Are there any other commissioner questions, P&D questions?

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Seeing none.

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We can move on.

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The next objective in economic development deals with small business development initiatives.

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First one is business training and mentorship, which includes business roles and best practices

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and resource availability education, this is recognizing that small businesses need access

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to training that a lot of small businesses are started by people who are really good at what

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they do, but they may not be great at running a business in this provides opportunities for them

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to get the training they need to make sure that their business can thrive. The next one dealt with

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working capital access through incubators and co-fit working facilities in any greater space

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as public private partnerships, recognizing that small businesses, if they start out as an incubator,

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they can get that training, they can get the resource, they can get the support they need,

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and then eventually move out of the incubator into a stand free standing site alone.

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The next one dealt with affordable incentive programs and communities lending initiatives in equity.

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Are there any questions? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

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And just to be clear, because we've had this question through this process,

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these are not all things that you have to do.

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These are things that is encouraging you to participate,

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partner with, you've got other agencies that do some of this.

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It's just being at the table and making sure that these types of

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these types of programs are happening.

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It doesn't mean you budget-wise have to do them necessarily.

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It's a really good point.

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Any questions about this objective?

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Objective 4 deals with implementation monitoring and reporting, and again, this talks about a special area, plan a small area plan to establish a five year economic development strategy and action plan.

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Again, this is a low, this is what we just talked about, having a localized special area plan that you as the city can really control and develop and implement outside of the comprehensive plan.

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conference, the plan establishes the framework for within which that special area plan for

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economic development is developed, but then you do it on its own. And then an annual economic

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development performance report, this is similar to other performance reports that you're

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going to hear about that we're recommending and this is just a yearly update that acknowledges

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and gives you track about how this plan is being implemented. In the last month, we had somebody

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ask a question, how do we know that what we're hearing about is going to be implemented.

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These one-year implementation monitoring reports will give you a sense of how the

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complaint, once you've adopted it, is being implemented over time.

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Did you have anything else on it?

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Any other questions on this objective?

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And on that, we will go to goal 2, which is promote economic development through land

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strategies create business friendly opportunities through appropriate language regulations,

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and prioritize economic development efforts. Objective one under goal two is predictable

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processes in land development code that ensures that as businesses come forward, that they know

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the processes and procedures that will be implemented through the land development code and that

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It is seamless for them and easy for them to understand.

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The next one is flexible development standards for emerging businesses.

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This allows for flexibility as the implement items still giving the city enough for

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standards that allow the standards to be done the way the city needs them to be done.

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But flexibility, because not one size does not fit all.

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The next one is about preservation of industrial and commercial land uses.

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Again, we've stressed this throughout the day, is that you don't have a lot of economic

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land uses, you don't have a lot of areas that are zoned or have an at land use for commercial

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industrial or other economic uses and so therefore maintaining those protecting those is really

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critical for you, especially if something like a property tax bill which reduced the productivity

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burden off of residential or to be past because then you would need to really look at those

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economic land uses and as a main driver for how you fund your city and the services

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that are provided.

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The next one deals with flexible design for use conversions.

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This is just again ensuring that as you move forward, that you have established design

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work that works for the entire city, but is flexible to meet the needs of an individual property owner.

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Targeted industry lists. This is a list of businesses and targeted industries that are really important to the city

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and has the workforce, has the infrastructure, has the land use, has the transportation system, all of those things are interconnected.

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So each industry has specific resources and needs that they have and understanding what your community best fits

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and then targeting industries that use those best fits, not and don't go after industries that

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don't fit what Delton is.

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The next one deals with distribution centers and freight land uses as well as public arts

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and wayfinding and branding all of this again going to understanding who is Deltona and

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how do you make sure that Deltona, that the industry is an economic land uses in Deltona

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best fit your resources.

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Are there any questions on this?

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I know this is one that we've talked about in the past and people seem to have understood

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the idea that understanding who Deltone is and developing a five-year strategy that deals with

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those industries is going to be really important for you and your economic development strategy

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is moving forward.

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I see no questions.

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Thank you.

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The next subject of under goal 2 is mixed use centers in redevelopment.

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We've talked a lot about this recently and will continue to because this is one of the major changes in this year in this plan update

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and one of the major framework components of this year's comprehensive plan update.

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So the first one is a creation.

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The next one is understanding the land use within the mixed-use centers and corridors. The next one deals with economic development tools and public partnerships.

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This is, again, what Jason was mentioning, that this isn't all stuff that is expected to be done by the city.

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The city establishes the framework. The city identifies where the mixed-use centers are and ensures that it has the right land use structure, which will be translated into the right land of element code structure,

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to implement those mixed-use centers, but then you work with partnerships to actually make them happen.

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Recognizing that pedestrian scale is a business development strategy that goes to what we talked about earlier,

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that mixed-use centers are really dependent on people in active use.

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These are not drive-through communities.

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They are not meant to be for cars.

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They are meant to be for people, unbikes, unwalking,

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that when you walk through the future of the town center,

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or the neighborhood center of the Main Street in Deltona,

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that you're going to see people congregating.

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You're going to be people outside walking from business

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to business.

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You're going to see people carrying their bags

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that they've bought from places.

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This is very much of a people-scaled development pattern.

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Public grounds, this catalyst, recognizing that people are attracted to public spaces.

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Special events, again, that special events draw people, and it is often one of the leading indicators of a developing mixed use center.

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You're going to have a lot of special events

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in those kind of activities.

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They will help bring people to the area.

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They will help identify businesses, identify business

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potential, and then decide that they want to locate there.

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And that's what takes a downtown area

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from high vacancy rate to a low vacancy rate

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in a high activity rate.

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Makes use developments.

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This talks about the types of developments we expect

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and makes use infrastructure that goes to this conversation we've already had today that talks

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about making sure that the infrastructure is in place so that a new developer who comes in doesn't

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have to provide that infrastructure that you work with grant funding and other resources to put

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the infrastructure in place so that it's there when they need it. And then finally, creating an

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town business and entertainment area that will really draw people to a town center area

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for the future of Deltona. Is there any other questions about the mixed use?

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The next objective, the next objective, the objective three under the goal to deal with economic

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development review and approval process. First of all, expedited reviews, expedited reviews,

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are reviews that are done on an expedited way.

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They have established criteria.

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If a developer meets those criteria,

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if they achieve what is being asked of them,

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then they can get an expedited review.

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This takes the reduces the time and reduces the cost.

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But at the same time, it increases the predictability

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for the city.

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That's why a city would do an expedited review.

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So an expedited review isn't just about giving away processes

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to develop or incentivizing the developer, it's about ensuring that you are getting the kind

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of development you want, and that's why there's allowance for the expedited review to happen.

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The next one would be fast-tracking high-wage projects, again, that you recognize some projects

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are really important to the city and then providing a process through which those could be evaluated

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did in streamlined? Any questions about objective three and or economic development goal too?

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I have a question. When we're talking about these expedited review processes in expedited approvals,

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what is the mechanism in place or would be put in place to govern those expedited approvals?

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Land development code would be used as the tool to establish them. So you would establish the

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standards, the standards, the criteria, and the process specifically in the land of

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almond code.

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So that's where we would discuss what is considered a high wage project or high wage

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jobs.

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We would define those there.

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You would define the criteria by which you could evaluate them and then you would then

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such a project would be brought to the city and determine if it meets those criteria.

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But it wouldn't necessarily be a one-size-fits-all.

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you would still, you, you is the city council or the future city council would not be giving away their right to evaluate those.

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Those could come, those would be a criteria established in this.

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Any other questions? That is different than the expedited review though the expedited review would have criteria that would allow those to move forward. If they've meet those criteria.

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To move forward with the development and circumvent city council approval?

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No, to move forward with the expedited approval.

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To City Council for Manila approval.

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Yep.

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Objective four under goal two deals with implementation monitoring, reporting.

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This is similar to goal the goal four under objective one, phase implementation program

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and identify how these programs and incentives and criteria would be established and phased in.

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understanding economic development projects for capital improvement planning,

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understanding that, again, if you're going to put infrastructure in place,

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if you're going to put in land use is in place, if you're going to put in

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transportation systems in place, those may have a cost associated with them,

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so they need to be part of your capital improvement planning projects.

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And then finally, CRA alternatives and this deals with

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If CRA were to sunset, would the alternatives could be there for any questions?

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The CRA would not understand that CRA's sunset could be because it's sunset because of the year.

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And the renewal process, it could also sunset because the state for the last few years has considered sunsetting all CRAs.

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So, just ensuring that you as a city are prepared if and when your CRAs were to sunset and that you have a different tool that could accomplish the same types of goals.

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Economic development goal 3 deals with site infrastructure mobility.

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And this goal is to maintain the city's effort to establish and provide public services and infrastructure to sites designated to be suitable for the accommodation of economic development as well as to main Canadian concurrency.

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A objective one under goal three is updating infrastructure and economic development, recognizing

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that you need to expand your utility services, and making your infrastructure priorities

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in the mixed-use and commercial areas.

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We've talked about both of these types of policies earlier.

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The next objective deals with transportation access and mobility and similar to

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the infrastructure this is about ensuring that transportation and transit connectivity is provided

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to our economic center areas. It deals with the Rhode Island expansion and the first and last

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mile connections to make two centers and corridors. Any questions?

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I see no questions.

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The next objective under goal three deals with implementation monitoring reporting and the first

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one is inventorying priority employment sites for

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interest structure needs, this is identifying where you

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would want those infrastructure systems and how do you

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need them updated, this goes to earlier discussions about

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ensuring that those infrastructure systems are in place when

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you need them.

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Sites enhancement fund, this is how you would fund those

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infrastructure improvements and then broadband and

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communications infrastructure recognizing that broadband

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and communications infrastructure are as important today as water sewer transportation.

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The final goal is about workforce talent and a higher education to develop and retain

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our skilled workforce to support targeted industries and higher wage employment.

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The first objective deals with the pipeline for talent, education and career pathways through

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the establishment of vocational training partnerships after school programs.

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internships, connections, dual enrollment programs, green sector and technology, incentivized

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training and apprenticeships, satellite programs, and training, and professional networking

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programs.

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Any questions?

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Objective two deals with workforce development and a lot of this deals with partnerships.

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We recognize these are not things that the city would do by itself but that they would

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create the partnerships to make sure they get accomplished.

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Thank you.

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Through workforce action program, higher wage focus, STEM focus, linkages between industry clusters, partners in the action plan, entry and disadvantage, workforce support, strengthening the city's role and workforce development organizations, addressing workforce skill gaps, through partnerships, attracting skill workers in the creative class and addressing workforce dependent care needs.

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Are there any questions about this objective?

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I see no questions for this objective.

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And at that, I'm going to turn it.

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Before we move on to the other elements, Cathy would you mind explaining to the Commission

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how the economic development is not a mandated element by the state?

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Yeah, the economic development is an optional element.

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The state perscribes specific specific elements that need to be and must be in your

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Comprehensive Plan.

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The next two are next two that we're going to go through with the Parks and Infrastructure

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are both required elements.

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Economic development is an optional element but we felt that it's such an important foundational

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item for Deltona being that Deltona, as we talked about through the vision component,

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is a predominantly commuter community where it's mostly residential living here and then you're

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commuting out and we really think economic development is critical to bringing in and improving

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your tax base but also providing people opportunities to work near their homes.

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And we currently have an economic development element currently, we're just up to it and we have a question from

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I just wanted to circle back to the building height for the uptown where we were talking about nine stories.

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I had brought this up at the last workshop. But since then we've had a recent planning and zoning meeting where amendments to the

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local building to be up to the same height as any building within a one-mile radius.

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One-mile radius, or Jim, if you can click on this, it's three stories.

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Is it three stories?

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One-mile radius, or three stories.

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Okay, so wouldn't be that within one-mile radius, there could be 20 other nine-story

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buildings.

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That's what I wanted to confirm.

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So three is only up to three stories.

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And staff can go back and look at the statute.

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Okay, if we could please just to make sure that's just something I would really want to make sure of.

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All right, and I'll second that, because that again sounds like this state legislature.

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Preemptions and urban sprawl within our community without local say.

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Yeah.

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Are we getting anything else any other comments up to this point?

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Okay, so I'll go over a couple of recreation element.

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Go one, Parks and Recreation Open Space and Trails, expand and improve and maintain

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an integrated resilient and all-age park recreation trails and open space system that supports

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community health, environmental stewardship, economic vitality, and quality of life for residents,

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protects natural resources and strengthens, deltones quality of life through 2050.

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So, the first objective under there is dealing with level of service.

440
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All your comprehensive plans and concurrency related items have to have level service adoptive as part of them

441
00:38:50,930 --> 00:38:54,390
So you got your first policy total available park and recreation lands

442
00:38:54,390 --> 00:39:00,810
Park and recreation facility classifications a lot of this was using what you already had

443
00:39:00,810 --> 00:39:03,030
We just changed the format to make it shorter

444
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:05,570
Put it in a table versus a lot of words

445
00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:12,790
Annual capacity calculation your 10 to 15 minute access policy if you don't mind one second

446
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:15,370
Can you reference what page in the packet we're on?

447
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:18,790
Oh, I think it's the third one.

448
00:39:18,810 --> 00:39:21,170
Sorry, it was out of order from yours.

449
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:24,230
So the recreation element should be like there are parks.

450
00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:27,200
Sorry about that.

451
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:27,720
No problem.

452
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,160
Yeah, I realized afterwards what we did this

453
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,620
what order you had your packet in.

454
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:33,580
So that's my fault.

455
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:33,960
Oh, good.

456
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:35,160
Thank you very much.

457
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,800
Sorry folks, you all there?

458
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:37,380
OK.

459
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,220
Yes, that was, yeah.

460
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:40,380
We did this slide challenge at order.

461
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,740
Sorry about that.

462
00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:48,820
10 to 15 minute access, level of service, service deficiency, and recreation facility development

463
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:49,480
standards.

464
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:53,180
Are there any questions related to that objective?

465
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:56,750
No questions.

466
00:39:57,230 --> 00:39:57,370
Okay.

467
00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:58,650
And level of services is a balance, right?

468
00:39:58,750 --> 00:39:59,970
You want to have enough facility.

469
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,500
All of these enough acreage to serve you population, but you also don't want to financially impact

470
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:12,180
you negatively and commit to too much. Objective 2, Park Rehabilitation, I'm sorry,

471
00:40:16,380 --> 00:40:16,480
member

472
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,020
Northe.

473
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:31,440
How do we determine? Are we doing it by a person or how do we determine what we need

474
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,360
in the way of parks and what do we include in that?

475
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,180
What is it?

476
00:40:35,180 --> 00:40:35,960
That's a great question.

477
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,060
So right now, the way that it's written is just keeping

478
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:42,340
to what the way it has been, which is your acreage per

479
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:45,100
thousand as a level of service measurement.

480
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:47,680
I think we've had conversation to staff.

481
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:49,920
And I've said this, I think, to you all before.

482
00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:52,920
There's other ways to refine that.

483
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,860
And this is set up really to kind of address that

484
00:40:57,860 --> 00:41:02,460
and consider those other ways through your master planning process.

485
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:07,200
And I just, an example that I use that other community, another community I work with has done,

486
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,740
they've done a point system, they've established a minimum number of sport fields and sport courts,

487
00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:17,540
per part type, they've, their level of service in their plan is acreage-based,

488
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:23,260
but through their master plan they've decided to go even further dig down deeper to measure.

489
00:41:23,260 --> 00:41:30,980
So, so, for right now, through the year 50, 50, 50, we're still doing 4.5 acres of suitable

490
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:34,500
park reputation, open space land per thousand residents.

491
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:35,800
Okay.

492
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:45,140
And what does open space mean to me, or to the person who is looking at the complaint?

493
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:46,580
What does open space mean?

494
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,780
Well, generally, it's defined as it could be a passive open space, it doesn't have to

495
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:53,500
an active recreation space.

496
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:59,480
For example, on conservation lands, I guess if they had some trails or something, that'd be a little bit of a passive.

497
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:01,740
That'd be private or public.

498
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,700
Generally, it'd be public or some kind of access easement or other kind of...

499
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:07,700
It'd be a branch.

500
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,040
I think they have 400 acres.

501
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:11,360
They would not qualify.

502
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,540
They would not be part of this process.

503
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,000
No.

504
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:15,340
At this time, no.

505
00:42:15,340 --> 00:42:24,140
But the trail system that runs along, like sure, does that count?

506
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,340
You can, something to me is count the linear acreage.

507
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:28,320
I'm sorry.

508
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,540
Do we count it?

509
00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:31,160
Not at this point.

510
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:32,880
That's what I'm going to be talking about.

511
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,340
That's why I said there's other tools and ways to measure because you're not just,

512
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:40,980
you're studying a standard because you have to, right?

513
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:42,120
And so it's acreage based.

514
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,860
But an empty park doesn't provide anything to that neighborhood, right?

515
00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:52,180
So the second level of that, which we didn't at this point want to put specifics in the plan to

516
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:57,080
call out those details of how many playgrounds have to be in there, how many sport courts have to be there,

517
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:01,180
that is more of a case by case park by park,

518
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,800
operations, facilities and planning component.

519
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:12,370
Yeah, that's where your parks, that's where your parks rest master plan details that are should.

520
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:14,250
Does that make sense?

521
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:36,290
Well, it's, I've been here since 74, we have not, and I'm not aware of any parks, maybe we have, but what we had a thormy park, trying to think of, if there was any other parks that we added outside of the Mackel parks that were here when they developed this community.

522
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:40,330
So I just wonder about numbers.

523
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:46,250
So, one thing we would be looking at in the future would be, as we developed the MIXU centers,

524
00:43:46,450 --> 00:43:50,590
each one of them had calls for a park space, a public space, to be included.

525
00:43:50,830 --> 00:43:54,850
It's a key component, as we talked about earlier, of your MIXU centers.

526
00:43:55,950 --> 00:44:01,450
So, and MIXU centers have different variety of parks than we might be otherwise used to,

527
00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:07,390
like, you would have a park park, which is a small, not even, you know, a very small area

528
00:44:07,390 --> 00:44:11,190
that you may have picnics tables or seeding your benches,

529
00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:14,090
maybe mere roles or something like that.

530
00:44:15,370 --> 00:44:19,810
So in the future, having this is really important

531
00:44:19,810 --> 00:44:22,670
because it's going to help design those public space.

532
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,500
Yeah, so I mentioned this earlier,

533
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,280
the balance is you can increase that number,

534
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:36,580
but then it's still just acreage that you're measuring,

535
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,360
but you're also putting more pressure on your budget.

536
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:43,880
So those are the trade-offs that you have to kind of figure out.

537
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,840
And I've been in many communities that have three times that number.

538
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:49,040
They still don't have any facilities in their parks.

539
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,180
So you've got to kind of find a way to do both and balance both.

540
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,960
And we find that the master-playing process generally helps get it more specific.

541
00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:59,980
There's a life cycle that you can account for age of a neighbor.

542
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,600
For her, that may be closer to that park and more users using it. There's lots of ways to that process to help get those details.

543
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:21,600
It just seems to me that exactly that. Just saying we have 4.5 acres of suitable park recation, open space land per 1,000 redsons, doesn't really define what we have.

544
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,580
Right, and it doesn't define how to use those parks or that space. You're right. You can go farther in detail

545
00:45:27,580 --> 00:45:29,700
The more detail you put in the plan

546
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,400
The more budget impact you have and you have to do it right

547
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,420
We have to help ourselves accountable for the quality life. Correct

548
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,360
Thank you, member Northeat. We've got commissioner Novik and then commissioner Colwell

549
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:50,460
You're you're good. Okay, commissioner Novik. So when we require a

550
00:45:50,460 --> 00:45:56,540
a park element and a subdivision, like in an HOA, does that count?

551
00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:04,060
No, because it's services the park element for that community.

552
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,640
Right, so a lot of communities are also moving away from pocket parks and neighborhood parks

553
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,160
as part of their operations and their level service.

554
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:15,760
Because they don't want to maintain them, they're inefficient to maintain.

555
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,060
So you know they're being provided perhaps if it's a land development code regulation

556
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:25,400
if a subdivision over a certain size has to have so much acreage those are tools that

557
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,640
doesn't count towards your level service, but it does provide a, well, any sort of community pools.

558
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:39,040
And do those count because typically you have several subdivisions that have community pools.

559
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:39,420
Right.

560
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:46,240
Typically not, so you could argue that there's an underrepresentation of the actual acreage and

561
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:51,440
uses of available to the community because those might not count towards the level of service,

562
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,860
a need may be being met, but again, we don't want to say you have to have somebody pools or

563
00:46:56,860 --> 00:47:02,660
somebody trying to find that balance. But you should get, but we should get credit where they are

564
00:47:02,660 --> 00:47:10,820
provided. So it's not we're not deficient. Right. In that in that element. And the

565
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:15,760
challenge in that is maintain maintenance and ownership right and and say they

566
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,540
close the pool. Then what do you do? Then you've reduced your level of service.

567
00:47:20,060 --> 00:47:26,700
Well cities close pools and parks and things. So I mean that that doesn't hold water.

568
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:32,180
I think we need to look at this a little bit more of this particular element and look and see

569
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:40,030
defining it a little bit better of what qualifies and what doesn't because we require

570
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:48,810
right now certain subdivisions to have based on their size, a certain amount of green space

571
00:47:48,810 --> 00:47:57,050
certainly the sidewalks and that could be considered trail or walkability within that

572
00:47:57,050 --> 00:48:06,630
within that community, can they meet that element and get credit for it by making it a six foot wide sidewalk versus four foot or you know, whatever.

573
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:11,050
I think we need to look at this a little bit more.

574
00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:17,740
Am I under I want to make sure we understand that you're interested in

575
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,740
ensuring that there's more opportunities provided and we're giving credit where credits do that.

576
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:26,500
I think we need to make sure we're giving credit where credits do.

577
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:33,040
Okay. So that we're not deficient in this element when a developer comes in and provides

578
00:48:33,900 --> 00:48:39,280
park amenities within that subdivision. I think that should give us credit.

579
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:50,360
So Jordan, I've talked about this a couple of times now. So I think that that's reasonable and we can

580
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:59,880
work on some language about a future analysis because currently your impact fee study is based on

581
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:05,600
the way your level of service is done now, what would have to happen, what can't happen is,

582
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,500
as we rotate through those cycles, when that gets updated again, you can start moving in that

583
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,380
direction. You're not there yet, so I want to make sure we don't have policy that conflicts with that,

584
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,480
but I think as part of this, we can do what you're asking, which is set you up for, by the way,

585
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:24,540
next time around, let's make sure we're making sure all these studies align with what we want to accomplish

586
00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:28,560
And whether it's changed this or outdated, however you want to do it.

587
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:29,060
Thank you.

588
00:49:29,260 --> 00:49:30,800
Yes, sir.

589
00:49:31,060 --> 00:49:31,800
Pastor, how are we doing?

590
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Thank you.

591
00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:38,280
We have some subdivisions that have been built with parks that are available to the entire public.

592
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,240
If that is the case, can those possibly be counted because they are not excluding anyone.

593
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,300
However, we have other ones where they are fenced off and only available to residents via keys and things like that.

594
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:58,480
No, they're owned by the subdivisions, they're part of the plan.

595
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,720
Some of that, I think we could go look and help the city, but some of that depends on the tool that was used to whether

596
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:11,820
dedicate your grant rights or easements or what have you. That's an important part right.

597
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:19,920
So, is it really open or people just used it. Right, that is a big difference there. So we'll follow up with staff and try to identify some of those

598
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:27,140
and look at those examples. OK, thank you. That's a good point. I have one another question. Where does why fall in all of this are they

599
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:30,420
Mr. Private or public or private?

600
00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:30,820
Private.

601
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,360
Mr. Private, even if they get echo money?

602
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:36,420
To, for membership?

603
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:40,360
Yeah, I mean, they're not a publicly owned,

604
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,840
is that you're talking about the facilities?

605
00:50:43,060 --> 00:50:44,480
Use of the facilities?

606
00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:47,940
Typically, they're not counted towards a level of service.

607
00:50:51,220 --> 00:50:53,820
So you can get in the weeds on this, right?

608
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:55,820
So there's different communities, different things.

609
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,500
Some communities.

610
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,880
Bill courts and build things and do the programming and some just build the facilities and let

611
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,960
an agency a different agency like a Y or Poison Girls Club or whoever else do the programming.

612
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,540
It depends on what the community wants to do. Public money in white program in white infrastructure.

613
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:24,680
Through Threko through the county's echo program. We just did fields over here in the YMCA here.

614
00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:40,480
You generally used for, I think, the soccer clubs, and I don't know what the cost is for the use of those fields, but I was just wondering because there was public money already there would that count.

615
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:50,200
It can. I live where I live, there's a, there's a, the why actually seems the most thing they run programs at a publicly maintained and built field.

616
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,240
in the soccer programs or football, whatever they were there, those are run by an offset of the

617
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:01,660
Y. And so it is counts towards their park and rec level service, but it's programmed and run by an outside group.

618
00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:09,900
But that in that case it's owned by the public, and they do probably a maintenance cost share kind of situation.

619
00:52:11,310 --> 00:52:20,670
So what I'm hearing is that we'd all like to see an analysis on what is and is included in that.

620
00:52:21,130 --> 00:52:38,670
And then if I'm hearing correctly that we would all also like to see a more detailed adjustment to this specific policy so that it's not as vague as 4.5 acres per thousand residents that it calls out.

621
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:47,680
Well, how's it going to go up right you want to increase your level of service? I think we want to increase the level of service

622
00:52:48,780 --> 00:52:56,540
With the details, okay, so that it's not just vague open space, right that everybody that you know a plethora of

623
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,280
Opportunities or land uses can can meet it is more specific to

624
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,600
parks and sports fields and actual amenities rather than

625
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:14,000
You know, open space. Very broad. Do we know currently where we're at with the

626
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,860
Monovakers utilized reports? I don't have an off hand here, but I think it was

627
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,080
You meet your level of service at this point. Again, it's acreage-based.

628
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:27,480
If I remember correctly, we meet it by a long shot using a vague approach of open space.

629
00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:29,420
It's also using the schools.

630
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:36,260
Yeah, when you actually dive into what that includes, it doesn't include a significant amount

631
00:53:36,260 --> 00:53:43,040
of amenities. And if you compare us, amenity wise, to other similar communities, we appear

632
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:49,500
rather deficient when it comes to a number of playgrounds, the age of playgrounds, the number

633
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,840
of sports fields and things like that.

634
00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:58,260
And we've done, I've written those, those requirements for communities, but we did it through

635
00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:04,220
the master plan rather than in the plan itself, because it gave you more, gave them more

636
00:54:04,220 --> 00:54:06,660
budget flexibility and decision-making process, right?

637
00:54:07,780 --> 00:54:10,420
So that's that line you have to talk a little bit

638
00:54:10,420 --> 00:54:12,380
of being careful, because once it's in here,

639
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:14,040
it's hard to get out understand.

640
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,500
To piggyback on which Jason says, that's a,

641
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,840
I mean, I applaud you for wanting to do that level

642
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,340
of analysis, but if you put that kind of information

643
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:29,240
in your comprehensive plan, then it becomes something

644
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,840
that you would have to, you would be a state standard,

645
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:40,180
And it's probably better to be addressed through a parks master plan where you can really dive into that at level of analysis and evaluate.

646
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:48,320
You could also then evaluate whether or not your current level of service standards meet your community and you really focus specifically on that one targeted area.

647
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:59,980
That's that is a very that's a perfect example of where a special area plan this this in this example a parks master plan would be

648
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,080
The most appropriate tool to develop that kind of analysis and evaluation?

649
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,380
Yeah, I don't think that. I think we're all on stage with this. I think the analysis

650
00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:15,120
requests is adjacent to this. I don't think it's intended to be included in this, but I think

651
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:22,420
the goal of it is to maybe more define those recreational opportunities even within the plan,

652
00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:26,720
but once we have the analysis, we can have a more detailed discussion on what that would

653
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,120
like the positives and negatives.

654
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:35,040
So I think the analysis would be a policy to guide and guide staff to do it and now

655
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,560
to sell it be a policy within the complaint and then that policy would then instruct staff

656
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,640
to do the master plan.

657
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:44,100
Absolutely good.

658
00:55:44,340 --> 00:55:44,520
I would.

659
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:45,340
Okay.

660
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:46,060
Yeah.

661
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,800
So those are the places that it's policy to direct the master planning.

662
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,040
The master plan then says, each of your parks need to be master plan, not just

663
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,420
the park-wide system, wide master plan, and then that, a couple of those communities that work

664
00:55:56,420 --> 00:56:01,520
with them, that's what they do on a each park gets master plan with the community around

665
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,560
it involved rather than doing it through just the policy.

666
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,000
But the policy is like Jordan said guiding you for the master plan.

667
00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:14,100
To add context to the discussion, there's a lot of use of the term master plan when we're

668
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:20,960
talking about the specifically parks master plans and overall master plan versus a master plan

669
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,940
each park, each park, master plan could be,

670
00:56:24,940 --> 00:56:27,120
it could all be done at the same time.

671
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,660
And the individual location master plans

672
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:35,520
can be a component of the overall system master plan.

673
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:36,420
Yes, that's right.

674
00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:38,100
Because I know a lot of residents

675
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:42,060
when they hear master plans, they hear dollars out the door

676
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:43,640
and a plan put on the shelf.

677
00:56:43,980 --> 00:56:48,580
So I want to make sure that that's not the case

678
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:59,420
That has been, I don't want to negate what has happened in the past, but that is not the case and not the intention here and moving forward to her.

679
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:17,620
And actually to piggyback up on that, that's where that annual reporting of what is happening and how each element is being updated and implemented would come and play because then through that annual update you would learn

680
00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:23,500
a policy like this that calls for this evaluation and master planning

681
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:28,120
of parks, what the status is of that project and how it's being implemented.

682
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:31,220
Excellent, thank you for that edition.

683
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,400
The other, I guess one other point would be that once we do a master plan, because I'm not

684
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:44,400
sure when the most recent parks master plan was done, I think it was about two years ago

685
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,520
was your update to your park correct master plan?

686
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,160
Yes.

687
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:48,780
Okay.

688
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:54,340
And then when we're talking about updating those updates to subsequent updates

689
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:57,320
are significantly less costly.

690
00:57:58,840 --> 00:57:59,400
They're, they're,

691
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:02,980
it's, we're not recreating it from scratch every single time.

692
00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:04,480
We're updating an existing plan.

693
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,240
Right.

694
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,820
And you're responding to population changes.

695
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,500
You're responding to demographic changes.

696
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,800
You're responding to opportunities that may have come up.

697
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:18,320
rather than creating from scratch and sort of outlane, you know, tens of thousands of dollars every single time.

698
00:58:18,660 --> 00:58:23,900
Right, and it's also an opportunity to identify, oh, there's some policies here that maybe we need to tweak,

699
00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:28,620
so the recommendation can come from that to go update your comprehensive plan to change tweaks and policies

700
00:58:28,620 --> 00:58:32,080
and then you can do that process. Absolutely. That's typically how important. Thank you.

701
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,200
We can move on. Okay. Objective two, Park Rhea, a pair of rehabilitation facility,

702
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:42,160
quality and accessibility. Again, it's a talk about maintenance, ongoing maintenance, those sort of things.

703
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:47,720
asset management program, life cycles, those types of things, keeping up with that.

704
00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:52,140
Officially condition assessments, capital improvement priorities for parks, phase

705
00:58:52,140 --> 00:58:56,680
park development, maintenance standards, engagement of, again, guiding staff, right?

706
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,740
We're not dictating a specific level, but guiding to make sure these are on your

707
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:06,760
checklist every year, engagement of multiple uses and activities at city parks, creation

708
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:12,080
of inventory, of new resource-based park sites, and universal inclusive design policy guidance.

709
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,180
to make sure your parks are for all people.

710
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,120
Was there any, were there any questions related to those?

711
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,600
I think it's very, along the lines,

712
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,180
what you guys were starting to talk about.

713
00:59:23,090 --> 00:59:24,370
I don't think any questions on the board.

714
00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:25,250
Thank you.

715
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:28,170
And then objective three, natural area, wildlife corridors,

716
00:59:29,010 --> 00:59:30,070
priority gap closure.

717
00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:33,850
I was, I was working with a city in the only place

718
00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:35,970
or wasn't a sidewalk, was in front of their park.

719
00:59:37,930 --> 00:59:39,370
No one could get to the park.

720
00:59:39,830 --> 00:59:40,870
Connected, don't do that.

721
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:41,850
We don't have that.

722
00:59:42,330 --> 00:59:43,410
Prioritize those gaps, right?

723
00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:44,510
that's what we're talking about.

724
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:47,230
Connected Trail Network and Trail Head Regional Multi-Use Trail

725
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:50,450
and Trail Head Connectivity, Lake and Water Access.

726
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:53,210
These ones are starting to connect to you, not just parks,

727
00:59:53,410 --> 00:59:56,330
but also the really the transportation system

728
00:59:56,330 --> 00:59:57,510
and beyond the parks.

729
01:00:00,270 --> 01:00:09,870
Any questions? Again, if there's anything any wording in these policies, today's a good day to point it out if you have some concerns or questions about these specific policies.

730
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:13,750
We have no questions on paper.

731
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:19,630
Objective four, undergo one recreation needs assessment, recreation by center type.

732
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:28,570
Again, that's what is what, how do you plan and develop those individual parks, trail and pedestrian connections, and then ECO center recreation opportunities?

733
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:42,050
Objective five education and program for all, so the programming for all, we just talked about that a little bit.

734
01:00:42,290 --> 01:00:47,010
Annual program evaluation, are you serving the needs of the community, basically, as with that is.

735
01:00:47,310 --> 01:00:55,390
Community program priorities, parks for all, public information and transparency, and setting you up for a adopt a park program.

736
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:05,820
I have a question on the public information and transparency. How does that relate to the parks objective?

737
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:12,660
You mean the education program for all the public information and transparency?

738
01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:15,900
Yes, yes.

739
01:01:19,340 --> 01:01:22,980
Was it the wording of it the misplaced?

740
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:30,940
It's more of if we could we go over that one and a little bit more detail.

741
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:38,120
I know that Jordan, is this document available on the web site yet?

742
01:01:41,730 --> 01:01:43,050
It's on grant access.

743
01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:55,650
I know that there's been a topic amongst some groups in the community as it relates to

744
01:01:55,650 --> 01:02:03,990
ADA accessibility on a larger conversation, and so this being the education and program for

745
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:09,630
all, I would like to understand the public information and transparency components as it

746
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:15,140
specifically relates to programming for all.

747
01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:20,560
So this one deals with making sure that the public is aware of how your parks are being

748
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,420
used, what kind of schedules they're on, what kind of programs are available at them, with

749
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:30,260
the conditions of the parks are, if there is a park that needs to be closed for some reason,

750
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,260
because parks are some of the most used assets in your community.

751
01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:45,260
This policy is designed to ensure that people are aware of how those parks are available to them, and if there are any changes to programming or schedules.

752
01:02:46,040 --> 01:03:03,120
Okay, on wood section, kind of going back to the top of the list with section 155.1, the program for all would that be where we would include language that would be specific to ensuring that there was a component of parks within the system that were

753
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,060
ADA accessible and sensory-type parks.

754
01:03:07,260 --> 01:03:07,840
Yes.

755
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,180
Yes.

756
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:08,780
Yes.

757
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:09,880
It's already in that.

758
01:03:11,420 --> 01:03:11,620
Excellent.

759
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,040
Thank you.

760
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,780
And if I'm meant I just want to point out what one five six is because you

761
01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:23,600
the adoptive program as Jason has mentioned before that we looked for opportunities

762
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:30,520
to ensure that we were identifying places where the city is working with people

763
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:36,580
to allow for things to happen in adoptive park program is it one of the key.

764
01:03:36,580 --> 01:03:41,560
You turn where I

765
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:52,790
see that we've got Commissioner Howington and Commissioner

766
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:59,250
Novik on the list we're quick explanation we're running into an issue because more than

767
01:03:59,250 --> 01:04:01,510
four people want to speak at a time and so it's kicking people off.

768
01:04:02,010 --> 01:04:06,370
So if there's there are any other commissioners that want to speak or P&Z members

769
01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:10,570
Okay, after you guys finish, then we'll go to Mr. Halington.

770
01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:20,150
So the adaptive park program is a volunteer-based organization where a volunteer may be a

771
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:25,510
friends of type organization would develop and would be responsible for maintaining or supporting

772
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:27,210
the programming at a certain park.

773
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:31,250
So that was all I wanted to point out about that particular policy.

774
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:34,190
Thank you.

775
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:40,770
So we currently have an adopt-apart program. How does this work with the program that we currently have?

776
01:04:41,130 --> 01:04:47,490
It's just, it's just promoting that adopt-apart program and ensuring that people are aware of it

777
01:04:47,490 --> 01:04:52,430
and that it allows for it to be expanded or enhanced. Okay, thank you.

778
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:56,380
Commissioner Novik. Thank you.

779
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:59,900
Not sure which element this would fit under. I'm thinking one dash five.

780
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,520
Point 3, I'd like to see us in certain language in the plan that requires advisory committee.

781
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:18,740
We, in the past, have had parks, advisory committees, and they've come and gone through different commissions.

782
01:05:19,060 --> 01:05:25,020
If we put it in the element in the plan, then it helps keep it.

783
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:37,160
I think this is a very important area to have youth advisory committee, senior advisory committee to keep programs earned and moving forward.

784
01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:44,440
Move forward.

785
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:45,660
Anybody else?

786
01:05:46,020 --> 01:05:46,060
Okay.

787
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:47,380
No more questions.

788
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:51,760
Objective six implementation funding.

789
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,760
Five-year capital, five-year capital program, you hear that a lot.

790
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:01,720
Capital Resources and Funding, Parks and Recreation, Impact Fees, Review of City Park Facility,

791
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:08,180
User Fees, Annual Grant Program, Use of Non-City, Contractual Volunteer Services for Park Maintenance,

792
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,400
and Joint Ventures, Encourage for Specialized Facilities.

793
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:15,920
Anybody have any questions related to those?

794
01:06:19,890 --> 01:06:23,250
Commissioner North, remember North, did you have a question on this one?

795
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:25,750
No, I don't have a turn to solve this one.

796
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:26,490
Oh.

797
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,600
Okay, no questions, thank you.

798
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,320
Okay, objective seven monitoring and accountability,

799
01:06:37,260 --> 01:06:38,340
annual implementation report.

800
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:41,760
You've heard that, trail performance reporting, annual monitoring,

801
01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:46,460
five-year master plan evaluation, network base analysis for

802
01:06:46,460 --> 01:06:49,460
level of service standard, park performance matrix,

803
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:53,040
comprehensive plan coordination, implementation linkage,

804
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,680
capital improvement monitoring, and major facility and land acquisition

805
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:58,580
in evaluation.

806
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,140
Do we have any questions?

807
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:10,580
Okay.

808
01:07:13,830 --> 01:07:14,990
That is park and recreation.

809
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:15,910
Right.

810
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:19,300
Back towards the front.

811
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:20,540
So your infrastructure.

812
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,660
I will try not to give commentary on all these, because there's a lot of policies in

813
01:07:25,660 --> 01:07:25,800
here.

814
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:26,880
It's a big one.

815
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,800
This has basically sub elements to it.

816
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:31,760
So we'll try to get through these.

817
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,820
And if again, all of these components are trying to tie everything back.

818
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,260
You'll see future land use, but you see us talk about land use decisions.

819
01:07:39,260 --> 01:07:44,000
And a lot of these elements to try to really support your mixed mixed use centers.

820
01:07:44,260 --> 01:07:55,440
Does anybody have any objection if we just go through the, all of the, the, each goal holistically and then we do questions at the end of each goal rather and the end of each objection.

821
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:56,620
Okay.

822
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:57,480
It's a long one.

823
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,640
Let's make that pivot.

824
01:07:59,020 --> 01:07:59,260
Okay.

825
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,080
So I will read all the policies.

826
01:08:01,460 --> 01:08:07,980
Potable, infrastructure one, potable water, provide a safe, reliable, cost effective, and sustainable public,

827
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:13,380
Potable water system with sufficient supply, treatment, distribution, fire flow, and emergency

828
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:19,220
interconnection capacity to serve existing in future development while conserving regional water sources.

829
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:25,320
And then the first objective is, again, dealing with level of service and development capacity,

830
01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:27,880
mostly dealing with a potable water.

831
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,460
Anybody have any questions about those policies?

832
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:35,380
That will just go through if you can do it through all of your mind. I'm sorry.

833
01:08:35,380 --> 01:08:36,680
Yep, you did say that.

834
01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:40,320
Objective two, water supply system, facilities and coordination.

835
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:47,100
A lot of consumptive use permits and amount of water that you're using, financing,

836
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:51,660
special district assessment opportunities, concurrency and development orders,

837
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:59,180
how it all relates to your reviews. Objective three is water conservation outreach

838
01:08:59,180 --> 01:09:00,720
and emerging technology,

839
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:07,790
Florida-Friendlies in there, related to landscaping and conservation

840
01:09:07,790 --> 01:09:13,910
those types of policies, high water used to man. Thank you. Yep. So I need to stage for that.

841
01:09:14,110 --> 01:09:19,990
Objective four water reuse and alternative supply, looking for alternative supplies essentially,

842
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:24,290
reclaimed. There's a lot of policies in here about reclaimed.

843
01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:28,790
Goal too is sanitary sewer. So it's a sustainable sanitary sewer systems.

844
01:09:29,730 --> 01:09:33,370
Did you want to stop at each, I'm sorry, did we want to stop at each sub element?

845
01:09:33,810 --> 01:09:36,610
Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea. We can stop and take questions.

846
01:09:36,790 --> 01:09:38,470
Yeah, because that's water, and then we'll go into sir.

847
01:09:40,110 --> 01:09:40,730
Member Diaka.

848
01:09:42,190 --> 01:09:43,350
That one, yeah.

849
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:47,170
Sorry, just quickly circling back to reclaim water.

850
01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:52,990
So the first sentence, the city shall require the use of reclaim water by private landowners.

851
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:59,220
How are we provisioning for if reclaim water is not available?

852
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,820
Generally, you put in the infrastructure, developer puts in the infrastructure so that when it's available, they will be connected.

853
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:13,180
Okay, so this would be for, so we're not requiring all residents to use reclaimed one, only when it's available.

854
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:22,660
Right, and I believe there's a policy, I think it's worded, so it's not making the neighborhoods of residential lots connect to it unless there's a availability. It's going to be there.

855
01:10:22,660 --> 01:10:25,400
There's mostly forward development and new development.

856
01:10:25,860 --> 01:10:28,500
And it has what I mean by that's primarily the mixed-use centers.

857
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:31,660
In general, you want them to put in the infrastructure so it's ready.

858
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:35,880
If it's not there yet, or if you don't have the capacity or you're already using it.

859
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,600
There's what happens if they end up sometimes they end up putting in wells and then using.

860
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,400
No, that's fine. I just wanted to make sure, but the way the first sentence was worded,

861
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:52,220
made it seem like we were requiring everyone to use reclaimed water for non-potable water activities.

862
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:56,820
Well, we evaluate that language and make sure it's not doing that.

863
01:10:57,700 --> 01:10:58,900
To miss their novice.

864
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:06,460
Water supplies present before certificate of occupancy, before construction permit.

865
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:23,020
Concerncies has to be before construction permit because, for instance, fire protection water has to be available prior to construction.

866
01:11:23,020 --> 01:11:26,500
you can't you can't have it

867
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:38,400
you have to have it before vertical construction occurs okay and then under minimum fire flow requirements should the word current

868
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:53,120
be inserted before floor to fire prevention code which policy was it I'm sorry one dash 1.4 minimum fire flow requirements should it say current floor to fire prevention code currently adopted

869
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,170
Florida Fire Prevention Code.

870
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,200
Yes, most current.

871
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:07,930
Thank you.

872
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:08,570
To miss your howling.

873
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:10,170
Thank you.

874
01:12:11,150 --> 01:12:13,150
To member Diereco's point,

875
01:12:15,230 --> 01:12:17,520
one dash for one for reclaimed water,

876
01:12:17,950 --> 01:12:22,330
and then also in one dash for three reclaimed water,

877
01:12:22,510 --> 01:12:23,450
uses permitted.

878
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:27,010
The language seems rather strong,

879
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:32,930
is talking about specifically for agriculture that reclaimed water must be used if it's available

880
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:36,850
from the city. We might want to look at that verbage as well.

881
01:12:37,230 --> 01:12:40,910
Okay. The intent obviously is somebody if it's there. Right.

882
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:42,850
You want people to utilize it. Yes. Okay.

883
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:46,010
Okay.

884
01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:58,810
With regards to item 1-4.2 shallow irrigation wells should we not also include the language that we need to

885
01:12:58,810 --> 01:13:03,730
water management district requirements for that, as well, since well permits have to be issued

886
01:13:03,730 --> 01:13:05,210
from the WMD.

887
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:09,000
Yeah.

888
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:09,620
That's fine.

889
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:10,300
Yes, fine.

890
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:16,560
I'm always careful of quoting statutes and other things that change, but the reference to those

891
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,420
agencies is fine.

892
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:21,860
Any other questions?

893
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:23,900
Are you getting this kind of?

894
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:24,800
It's good.

895
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:25,380
Thank you.

896
01:13:25,540 --> 01:13:26,140
Thank you for that.

897
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,220
We're good.

898
01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:33,680
All right, Senator Suer provides safe adequate, cost effective, and environmentally acceptable

899
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,940
sanitary sewer systems for the city of Deltona and your first objective is level of service

900
01:13:38,940 --> 01:13:47,360
surprise and development capacity setting your level of service and some connections there's

901
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:52,220
some septic tank policies in there in criteria for centralized sewer versus septic tanks.

902
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,080
It's a question on that.

903
01:13:57,780 --> 01:13:58,480
Remember, no, I think.

904
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,440
Under 2

905
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:08,160
-2-1.5, whatever that is.

906
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:12,120
This requires all new residential and non-resistant

907
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,900
developmental utilizing connect to a centralized water

908
01:14:15,900 --> 01:14:17,440
sewer system we're available.

909
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:22,500
However, we are not mandating that when it becomes available,

910
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:25,300
It's still less shall be voluntary.

911
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,100
Why would we have sewer available?

912
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:31,120
Consider where in the blue spring watershed,

913
01:14:31,420 --> 01:14:36,100
we have to get out the ground with sewer,

914
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:37,940
excuse me, with septic tanks.

915
01:14:38,780 --> 01:14:43,640
So why is state law also, there's a state statute

916
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,840
that requires that our sewer is available

917
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:49,680
that septic permits are not allowed to be issued.

918
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:55,700
So, can we just incorporate some of those state statute language into this policy?

919
01:14:56,140 --> 01:14:59,700
Yeah, well, yes, the intent obviously is a new subdivision coming in, they're going to connect.

920
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,300
We're talking about the new subdivisions, public reshovers.

921
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:11,290
So Kathy brought it. Right, it comes in after it's. Yeah, let us discuss that because that is existing policy.

922
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:16,410
So I want to make sure that we don't trigger something with the state that it becomes more restrictive.

923
01:15:16,810 --> 01:15:19,770
So let's just evaluate that for you and see if we can work that in there.

924
01:15:20,150 --> 01:15:30,450
Okay, well that concerns when you say more, you don't want to be more restrictive. I think that if there is sewer lines available, they should be required to connect.

925
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:40,150
So on the face of that suggestion, I completely agree with you and I think that is the best planning practice.

926
01:15:40,730 --> 01:15:45,750
My concern in the attorney is not here at the moment to answer whether or not my concern is valid,

927
01:15:46,350 --> 01:15:53,290
but my concern is that that required a requirement that a requirement to do so would be

928
01:15:54,290 --> 01:15:59,350
where would be considered more restrictive and therefore would be in violation of Senate Bill 180.

929
01:15:59,350 --> 01:16:05,930
What about the fact that okay,

930
01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:13,030
so that you're talking about the new Senate Bill 180?

931
01:16:13,370 --> 01:16:22,830
Yeah, the Senate Bill 180 that says that you cannot establish anything that is more restrictive as of July 31 of 2024 that that bill does not expire.

932
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:29,510
Even though we're in the blue spring water shed and we're mandated to get out of the water shed.

933
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:30,890
So we've got the attorney here.

934
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:32,310
So the attorney is here.

935
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:38,610
The question is regarding making the language in goal

936
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:44,030
to for sanitary sewer, more restrictive as it relates to when sewer

937
01:16:44,030 --> 01:16:49,430
becomes available requiring that residents' connection.

938
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:50,930
I'll read your comments.

939
01:16:51,170 --> 01:16:54,290
Right now, right now, it's a voluntary connection.

940
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:58,510
And the suggestion is to make it a required connection

941
01:16:58,510 --> 01:17:07,450
And if sanitary sewer is brought to a residential area that there is a residential area would be required to connect at that time.

942
01:17:08,150 --> 01:17:10,710
And I do believe under the state statute, it is a requirement.

943
01:17:11,530 --> 01:17:21,130
It just happens the requirement is that it takes place when the system is at the end of life and that they are no longer allowed to have a new septic permit.

944
01:17:21,130 --> 01:17:50,770
They have to connect when they can go that's correct. I get that, but I also were also mandated to get the heck out of the blue spring watershed by sewer, or by septic. And that date is some time in 2030 something so this coming up at least that's what I recall says all I'm just questioning why we wouldn't be more restrictive and say I know it's I understand that it's very

945
01:17:51,130 --> 01:18:04,350
It was sort of looking for people over a concern, but if we're going to meet the mandate to get out of the blue spring watershed, we have to start seriously doing this.

946
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:11,070
So staff would definitely look at that concern with the consultant and legal and see how we can look at that language.

947
01:18:11,070 --> 01:18:27,850
So we can look at this and there may be, I understand your point and we may be able to come up with a solution.

948
01:18:29,050 --> 01:18:35,270
We do have to be obviously careful so that if it 180 doesn't burn off until 2027, however,

949
01:18:37,710 --> 01:18:38,550
you're right.

950
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:40,850
I mean, there is that separate mandate.

951
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:44,250
So we'll work with staff, we'll work with the consultants

952
01:18:44,250 --> 01:18:48,810
to figure out a solution and we will keep you all

953
01:18:48,810 --> 01:18:52,830
apprised, because certainly it is advantageous

954
01:18:53,730 --> 01:18:57,150
and ultimately, sanitary sewers are better option.

955
01:18:57,890 --> 01:19:01,770
So we'll see if there's a way we can come up with a solution

956
01:19:01,770 --> 01:19:02,950
to meet both criteria.

957
01:19:03,810 --> 01:19:04,570
Thank you.

958
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:20,100
Is there a way that we could build language into this to allow us to make that more restrictive item effective once SB 180 is no longer an effect?

959
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:26,640
So I would urge all of us to not talk about it as a more restrictive item because it is not.

960
01:19:27,100 --> 01:19:34,420
It is a different process for sewer.

961
01:19:34,420 --> 01:19:47,480
And we do have other ways to potentially get there and we may be able to do it through building code.

962
01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:54,040
But I would not, and I will clearly state, it is our position that it is not restrictive or burdensome,

963
01:19:56,060 --> 01:19:58,200
but there may be a solution through building.

964
01:19:58,200 --> 01:19:59,960
So...

965
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:05,300
It's our position that it is not a more restrictive or burdensome land just regulation,

966
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,100
and there may be another way to accomplish our goals.

967
01:20:11,020 --> 01:20:24,420
So, I would think of it and refer to it as sanitary sewer to ensure compliance with the blue springs mandate.

968
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:38,880
Yeah, and I think if we are careful and frame it through building and not through land use that might be the solution but we'll work with the staff and work with the consultants.

969
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:45,140
I also want to take a moment and if we're discussing on whether we're going to go to.

970
01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:54,000
for sewer. I think that requires a larger discussion than this workshop, so if that's where

971
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:59,380
this discussion's going, I'd like to pull that to the side and have that separate conversation,

972
01:20:59,620 --> 01:21:03,340
because I think that would elicit, and I should be advertised separately so that residents

973
01:21:03,340 --> 01:21:09,040
can come and speak their voice on that one. Commissioner Nabeck, and then Commissioner

974
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,400
Colwell.

975
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:30,300
Well, I will add one additional thing, if I may, Commissioner, we also can look at this as an option to implement that goal for the watershed through our utility and potentially require connection if they're within so many feet of a water main.

976
01:21:30,300 --> 01:21:38,380
So, I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot of paths to achieve that goal that are not land development regulations.

977
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:48,500
That would be what we would work with the staff and the consultants to explore, to ensure we're compliant with the law, but still meeting our other mandates and goals.

978
01:21:51,250 --> 01:21:51,710
Commissioner Novak.

979
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:55,630
Yeah, we're not talking about force sewer for anybody that's existing.

980
01:21:55,630 --> 01:21:58,410
It's redevelopment, property, new construction.

981
01:21:59,550 --> 01:22:01,630
We don't have the billions of dollars.

982
01:22:01,850 --> 01:22:07,350
It would take to put the infrastructure in place to begin soaring people up.

983
01:22:08,650 --> 01:22:16,430
My question is in regards to 2-1.8 private packaged treatment facilities.

984
01:22:17,190 --> 01:22:22,930
First of all, Jordan, do we know do we have any still and existence in the city?

985
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,480
Commissioner, I would have to defer to public works and they are not here at this time.

986
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:31,860
Okay.

987
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:32,900
Okay.

988
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:39,820
In the event that we do, and I don't think we currently have any packaged systems still,

989
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:45,780
because there was an ordinance pass some time ago doing away with those.

990
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:52,560
But in the event that we do have any, I'd like to see this be a lot more specific language.

991
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:58,660
It says any existing privately owned package treatment facility shall be evaluated for phasing out.

992
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,880
I'd like to see some kind of a time frame in there.

993
01:23:04,660 --> 01:23:06,840
This leaves it very open-ended

994
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,940
to if we can work on making it more specifically time-trained.

995
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:20,940
So Commissioner, staff with double check with public orders to make sure that

996
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:23,000
to see if we have any currently.

997
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:26,900
If we do not, this is in a policy and we'll just take the policy out.

998
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:29,120
Okay, thank you.

999
01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:31,470
I have a question.

1000
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:38,690
If we don't mind, along those same lines, going back to potable water, do we have any provision

1001
01:23:38,690 --> 01:23:47,730
in the potable water language that allows for the creation of co-ops similar to the way

1002
01:23:47,730 --> 01:23:52,930
that the private package treatment facilities would exist for a community that a potable

1003
01:23:52,930 --> 01:23:56,870
water system could be created for a community?

1004
01:24:01,330 --> 01:24:10,750
So, in partner with the city, or I'm trying to, or somebody else doing, no, most of your current policy talks about you.

1005
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:13,210
Connecting to you, your city.

1006
01:24:14,150 --> 01:24:14,350
Okay.

1007
01:24:14,490 --> 01:24:18,830
I just want to ensure that there's a requirement that they connect to the water utility.

1008
01:24:19,570 --> 01:24:19,850
Yes.

1009
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:25,030
I know that in other areas, in a surrounding communities, those small,

1010
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:35,390
Yes, tight treatment plants have become a huge burden in problem because they are not there is a lot less oversight on them. Yes, and

1011
01:24:35,390 --> 01:24:45,150
Ultimately it creates many, many problems. Yeah, one, one, three. I think one, one, three addresses what you're talking about. So I've had that many it's a great point because

1012
01:24:45,790 --> 01:24:51,590
CDs. They are empowered by statute to create their own utilities. And they can become

1013
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:56,890
conflicting with public utilities they are provided. So, yes, I know what you mean by that.

1014
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:57,670
Thank you.

1015
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:21,800
Yes, ma'am. I had a question with regards to 2-1.6, items 3 and 4. The language in both of those bullets seems like it's a bit broad and wondering if we couldn't be more specific when talking about a subdivision that's going to create a plat.

1016
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,820
What if they're creating a flat and a subdivision?

1017
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,040
Obviously, that's vacant land.

1018
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,940
What if they're not next to a sanitary sewer main?

1019
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:34,960
I'm thinking we have properties within the city

1020
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,520
that where that would be the case.

1021
01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:40,940
You could potentially make the development cost prohibitive

1022
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:43,160
from actually doing it because they're not close enough.

1023
01:25:43,620 --> 01:25:45,980
And the main extension costs would price them

1024
01:25:45,980 --> 01:25:47,760
out of the market of being able to do the development.

1025
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:56,400
And item number four, with regards to projects involving site plan review, again, any project

1026
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:01,380
requiring site plan review, do we not have vacant pieces of property that would go through

1027
01:26:01,380 --> 01:26:04,840
site plan review that are not next to a sanitary sewer rain?

1028
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:09,360
So I'm just wondering if we can look into both of those situations and see if we can't

1029
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,080
tighten the language in both of those items.

1030
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:12,800
Thank you.

1031
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:17,320
Can you clarify that for me?

1032
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:22,240
I said tight in the language, but as far as the intent, obviously, is if you have more than four

1033
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,240
lots, I think it's what it's referring to, and you're going to do a subdivision that you

1034
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:27,120
have that connection.

1035
01:26:28,460 --> 01:26:32,320
Well, what if you don't have a sanitary suit or main next to you?

1036
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,140
From a planning perspective, I would say your time and leanness is wrong as far as potentially

1037
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:38,340
if it depends on the density of the subdivision, right?

1038
01:26:38,340 --> 01:26:43,920
So if you're trying to get more units in a higher density than you need to have that infrastructure

1039
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:46,180
to be able to do those lots.

1040
01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:54,500
And we do, do we have language and ordinance, ordinance language that requires the extension of sanitary sewer to new developments to PEDs?

1041
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:55,000
Yes.

1042
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,160
And it's also kind of a timing of development question.

1043
01:27:00,060 --> 01:27:08,180
So when they would come through you for approval or rezoning, one of your questions are, are we going to have utilities here? Are we going to have them available for this?

1044
01:27:09,300 --> 01:27:13,220
Generally, you don't want more and more lots that are not on the systems.

1045
01:27:14,460 --> 01:27:18,520
I understand, while I understand the intent of why it's written this way, it just seems

1046
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,720
like that it's not specific enough.

1047
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:29,280
The language is not specific enough to be, it just needs to be tightened up, the language

1048
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:36,480
just needs to be more specific, especially with regards to number four, a cycling review that's

1049
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:37,660
consistent with the LDC.

1050
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:45,260
What is the goal of tightening up the language that you're looking for to prevent the development

1051
01:27:45,260 --> 01:27:49,580
of in-fill lots that don't have access or a-

1052
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:57,620
That's one situation or the prevention of vacant lots that can be developed but are not adjacent

1053
01:27:57,620 --> 01:28:02,200
to a sanitary sewer main or don't have a sanitary sewer main running through the public right

1054
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:06,680
away abutting their property, thereby meaning that they will not be able to develop the

1055
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:12,940
property because the only way they could would be with septic. They might be in an area

1056
01:28:12,940 --> 01:28:17,060
of the city that does not is not served by a sanitary sewer main.

1057
01:28:17,340 --> 01:28:22,640
Okay. I just want to have access to sanitary sewer and water main maps so I don't know

1058
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:29,600
where what areas of the city where that could potentially be affected but I think it

1059
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:34,120
deserves that we look into those areas and see if their situations where this could potentially

1060
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:41,840
be an issue and either amend or be more descriptive and not be so broad in the language

1061
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:42,820
of these two items.

1062
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:48,040
I just wanted to make sure that it was clear what your goal was and it sounds like your goal

1063
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:54,200
is to prohibit the development of infill lots if they don't have access to sanitary sewer.

1064
01:28:54,260 --> 01:28:57,020
No, my goal is not to prohibit the development of infill lots.

1065
01:28:57,260 --> 01:29:03,860
My goal is to allow for the development of infill lots if they do not have a sanitary

1066
01:29:03,860 --> 01:29:08,060
sewer or water or sanitary sewer main running through the public right of way

1067
01:29:08,060 --> 01:29:13,060
abutting this infill lot this language would would make it so that they would

1068
01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:17,960
not be able to develop that infill lot. Okay so you want to make it allowable for them

1069
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:22,760
to develop the infill lot with sewer where was septic rather than required connection

1070
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,800
to sewer. In the event that there's not a sanitary sewer main adjacent to their

1071
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,280
or in their public right way. Is that already an allowable by ordinance?

1072
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:37,480
So, this is an existing policy, right, and it says new development will connect to sewer.

1073
01:29:38,660 --> 01:29:44,980
And provision is at one number one of that policy talks about if it's available, you have to connect to it.

1074
01:29:44,980 --> 01:29:47,800
If it's not, then you're not required to connect to it.

1075
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:53,940
I think that the break that I'm having between those two's new subdivision, new hundred unit, subdivision comes in.

1076
01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:55,360
This requires you to connect.

1077
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:59,880
Well, I think, but this is we're specifically talking about single individual and fill lots.

1078
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,900
Okay, number 3 is the 100, the 100, the 100 plot. Number 4 is the single individual, so we've got two items on the table.

1079
01:30:08,300 --> 01:30:13,960
So, number 3 with the 100 platted lots, where in the city are we going to put 100 platted lots?

1080
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:19,880
So, we have to look at where those areas would be and figure out based on existing infrastructure.

1081
01:30:20,060 --> 01:30:27,040
Do we actually have a sewer main that that a developer who wants to plat 100 lots can connect to a sewer system,

1082
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:30,220
They're by being able to comply with this requirement.

1083
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,960
The in-field lot situation, same exact thing.

1084
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:36,260
Where in the city do we have vacant lots?

1085
01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:40,300
Where people who would want to develop that lot,

1086
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,980
build a house, build a business,

1087
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,520
but what if they're not in an area of the city

1088
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,500
that is served by sanitary sewer?

1089
01:30:49,100 --> 01:30:55,240
So for example, the lot next to me was vacant until three years ago,

1090
01:30:55,240 --> 01:31:07,660
They built that lot. We don't have access to sanitary sewer. They put in a septic tank, but this this this item number four would prohibit prohibit that development, but it

1091
01:31:07,660 --> 01:31:15,360
No, it doesn't it would not be able to connect to sanitary sewer so they wouldn't be able to develop the lot. So one one says that you can

1092
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,500
And that's for individual lots.

1093
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,880
The others are talking about if I came in with a new development, not a lot, not to build

1094
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,740
a house on, but 50 units, 20 units, 100.

1095
01:31:26,340 --> 01:31:31,340
So the question is, do you want to allow those subdivisions to be built without sewer?

1096
01:31:32,260 --> 01:31:33,720
And generally, I would tell you no.

1097
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:38,180
Number three is no, but we also have to look at where those, where are we going to put

1098
01:31:38,180 --> 01:31:45,020
100-platted subdivision, 100-platted lot subdivision in the city, and we're looking at areas

1099
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:49,200
that are on the east side of the city or the northeast side of the city or bordering

1100
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:49,840
Osteen.

1101
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:55,580
All I'm saying is that we need to contrasting and pair those areas where a platin subdivision

1102
01:31:55,580 --> 01:32:03,920
could go, do they actually have the ability to connect to sanitary sewer services or if not

1103
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,720
how far of a distance would that main extension have to run to allow for that development

1104
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:09,400
to happen?

1105
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:11,120
That's item number three.

1106
01:32:11,860 --> 01:32:13,380
Item number four is different.

1107
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:19,000
item number four is the infillot situation or the individual who wants to build a house on a vacant lot.

1108
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:28,680
One lot, one house, site plan review, what if they can't comply with the part of that language that says

1109
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:33,680
served by centralized sewer system because the city does not have mains in their area.

1110
01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:40,780
So all I'm asking is that we look at the sewer maps, see if there's situations where these two items

1111
01:32:40,780 --> 01:32:47,260
could potentially create a situation where development would be halted or stopped, and try

1112
01:32:47,260 --> 01:32:53,880
to come up with a way that we can either amend or be more stringent with the language of these

1113
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:54,500
two items.

1114
01:32:58,750 --> 01:33:01,990
So, we would need some direction, I guess, from you all, because that's a policy.

1115
01:33:03,210 --> 01:33:09,210
Yeah, okay. Yeah, we have probably got that's a major policy shift, essentially. So, we're going

1116
01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:12,230
need some additional direction on that from all of you?

1117
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:14,710
Are you, you have any more comments?

1118
01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:16,470
No?

1119
01:33:16,930 --> 01:33:17,090
OK.

1120
01:33:17,690 --> 01:33:18,270
Member Diereca.

1121
01:33:18,830 --> 01:33:21,150
Andrea, can I just ask for my own clarification?

1122
01:33:22,650 --> 01:33:28,610
For the single law, would that not be solved for in item number one,

1123
01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:34,590
where we're saying where there are no suitable sewer facilities

1124
01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:37,650
immediately available, a septic tank may be used?

1125
01:33:38,530 --> 01:33:41,470
Well, now you've got conflicting codes, so which one overrides?

1126
01:33:42,110 --> 01:33:48,490
Okay, so I just, so now it's not clear and concise, so one needs to support the other,

1127
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:50,630
or one needs to be stricken, or amended.

1128
01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:56,830
So, Terracardo, staff will look at this with the consultants, and when we come back to the next workshop,

1129
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:58,370
we will definitely get to suggest.

1130
01:33:58,710 --> 01:34:00,390
Thank you so much. Appreciate your attention.

1131
01:34:00,670 --> 01:34:01,350
Thank you for the clarification.

1132
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:03,390
Thank you, Member Cardo.

1133
01:34:04,850 --> 01:34:07,930
Here in seeing no more questions, we can move to the next objective.

1134
01:34:13,910 --> 01:34:17,190
Where am I, to one level, we already do that, level service and development.

1135
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:19,610
Sorry, there's another page.

1136
01:34:20,330 --> 01:34:23,370
Existing facilities and efficiencies, objective two.

1137
01:34:24,110 --> 01:34:26,730
We talked about that, so then we'll go to three.

1138
01:34:26,730 --> 01:34:28,430
Fluent rechargeries and disposal.

1139
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:32,630
Again, it's just talking about long-term land agreements,

1140
01:34:32,630 --> 01:34:38,090
Reclaim Water Infrastructure. There are any comments. Really objective three. Before I got too fast.

1141
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:46,060
Objective four, evaluation and implementation. Again, your master plan, process, impact

1142
01:34:46,060 --> 01:34:50,000
Reflection, updates, or there are any questions related to those.

1143
01:34:53,150 --> 01:34:54,130
If not, I would go on to

1144
01:34:54,130 --> 01:34:59,630
Solid Waste. Provide reliable, sanitary, cost effective, and coordinated solid waste collection.

1145
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:09,560
Regional disposal service for all properties in Daytona while maintaining adequate disposal capacity and protecting neighborhoods from impact, incompatible facilities and hauling impacts.

1146
01:35:10,860 --> 01:35:13,620
So your objective one is collection service and level of service.

1147
01:35:17,260 --> 01:35:22,020
Again related to solid ways. Objective two is disposal capacity and interlocal coordination.

1148
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:26,900
You're required by a lot of review as you go over the years.

1149
01:35:27,340 --> 01:35:30,360
Objective three facility location, neighborhood compatibility.

1150
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:34,900
Touchers on solid waste transfer stations and hazardous waste issues.

1151
01:35:35,900 --> 01:35:38,620
And buffers related to hazardous waste.

1152
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:40,220
And I'll stop there.

1153
01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:42,600
Let's see end of that goal.

1154
01:35:43,700 --> 01:35:45,100
Anybody have any questions about that?

1155
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:46,120
Solid waste.

1156
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:59,700
Have we looked at our recent volumes of garbage to update the 8.6 pounds?

1157
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,940
That seems pretty low.

1158
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:09,540
Top of page 16.

1159
01:36:11,260 --> 01:36:12,100
Does it really deteriorate?

1160
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,360
No, I don't.

1161
01:36:14,860 --> 01:36:20,480
to best state that we have but we have shows that okay but had just something you're

1162
01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:24,360
supposed to continue to monitor because your capacity goes faster obviously if it goes

1163
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,840
up or you don't build cells that you don't build them you don't build them we don't

1164
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,400
don't have the we don't have the landfill operation but but that capacity is available

1165
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,060
you have to make sure it is you know five ten years out so

1166
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:40,210
go full force

1167
01:36:40,210 --> 01:36:41,250
I'm sorry.

1168
01:36:42,110 --> 01:36:43,730
Sustainable and resilient waste management,

1169
01:36:44,730 --> 01:36:45,570
reduce the affordable waste,

1170
01:36:45,970 --> 01:36:47,590
literally dumping, excessive accumulation,

1171
01:36:48,170 --> 01:36:50,270
and disaster-related health and environmental impacts.

1172
01:36:50,710 --> 01:36:52,850
The Education Enforcement, Public Maintenance,

1173
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:55,730
Emerging Practices, and Advanced to Breme Management Planning.

1174
01:36:57,490 --> 01:37:00,630
Objective One, Waste Reduction Emerging Practices,

1175
01:37:01,750 --> 01:37:03,570
Objective Two, Community Outreach, Health,

1176
01:37:03,730 --> 01:37:08,840
Esthetics, and Enforcement Objective Three,

1177
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,480
Natural Disaster to Breme Management.

1178
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:19,000
I'll planning efforts that you have to do, especially with hurricanes and that is objective, I'm sorry,

1179
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:24,460
the fourth goal for thank you. Any questions about that?

1180
01:37:27,660 --> 01:37:37,920
I do. Can we be more specific with the disaster to bring management plan, update beliefs, there's some female language and possibly some state language.

1181
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:48,220
I believe even possibly SB 180 that speaks to a more specific time frame rather than periodically, so I just if we could look at it.

1182
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,220
Thank you.

1183
01:37:54,220 --> 01:37:54,500
Go 5.

1184
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:55,260
Stormwater?

1185
01:37:55,300 --> 01:37:56,460
I'm sorry.

1186
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:58,760
Sorry, Commissioner Navig.

1187
01:38:00,180 --> 01:38:09,860
Do we need a separate element or would it be under hazardous waste to address medical waste and biohazard?

1188
01:38:16,450 --> 01:38:22,750
Yeah, we can look at including that in the subbell in it.

1189
01:38:24,430 --> 01:38:26,150
Biohazard medical waste.

1190
01:38:26,690 --> 01:38:26,790
Okay.

1191
01:38:27,710 --> 01:38:35,610
And then I'm going to extend my comment to all of Objective 4-3.

1192
01:38:36,210 --> 01:38:42,790
Because there are a couple other components in there that I believe are governed by

1193
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:47,150
state statute or FEMA policy.

1194
01:38:49,110 --> 01:38:50,210
4-3.

1195
01:38:54,500 --> 01:38:54,980
Stormwater.

1196
01:38:55,180 --> 01:38:55,880
Can you read me that?

1197
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:56,420
No.

1198
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,900
Protect the health and safety of the public,

1199
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,600
stormwater management facilities, and services,

1200
01:39:00,900 --> 01:39:01,900
shall be properly maintained,

1201
01:39:02,580 --> 01:39:03,920
environmentally sound, cost-effective,

1202
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:06,900
and meet the communities present in future demands.

1203
01:39:07,260 --> 01:39:08,620
I don't think there's a lot of changes in this way.

1204
01:39:09,460 --> 01:39:11,440
There was a ton of changes in this one.

1205
01:39:11,740 --> 01:39:13,400
Objective one, best management practices,

1206
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:17,440
objective two, design, construction, and maintenance of stormwater systems.

1207
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:25,280
That was it? Any stormwater questions or needs?

1208
01:39:31,980 --> 01:39:37,180
Within the stormwater section, see it now, stormwater quality standards.

1209
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:58,020
Is the reference in section 5-1.4 where it says all new development redevelopment

1210
01:39:58,020 --> 01:39:59,780
projects to also meet Eric Seed minimum.

1211
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:17,560
Environmental Protection Standards of the City of Deltona in Volusia County. Does that allow us to maintain additional policies regarding stormwater, water quality minimum standards outside of this complaint?

1212
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:22,190
Yep.

1213
01:40:24,710 --> 01:40:24,710
Okay.

1214
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:28,320
Commissioner Novik.

1215
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:46,990
How does the stormwater plan here affect or is it affected by the stormwater plans of, say,

1216
01:40:47,670 --> 01:41:00,420
F. dot where, where there, I want to, so I want to create the ability for the city to be able to

1217
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:12,920
encourage an interlocal partnership with say FDOT, whether taking water off of I-4, for instance,

1218
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:20,940
in Ultima, when they came through at the manage lanes, FDOT was going to take 9 or 10 houses,

1219
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:28,960
within the city under eminent domain to store that storm water. They did take those houses

1220
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:35,340
And after the fact, ultimately stepped in, took that water from the managed lanes, put it

1221
01:41:35,340 --> 01:41:42,320
into Crane's roost, treats it, mixes it with reclaimed and sends it all the way out

1222
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:47,800
to Apapca to get rid of it for free, because Apapca needs it.

1223
01:41:48,940 --> 01:41:58,680
Do we have anything in here to encourage or facilitate those type of partnerships in anticipation

1224
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:05,780
of I-4 managed lanes coming up to graves, there's going to be a stormwater situation that's

1225
01:42:05,780 --> 01:42:14,520
created. Yes, along that Amazon I-4 Normandy. Yes, sir. Not specific to that example, but there's

1226
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:21,000
some policies in this element that talk about creative reuse of stormwater and other ways to

1227
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:26,720
treat or use, whether it's gray water, you know, that sort of thing. So there is some policies

1228
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:28,740
there that referred to that situation.

1229
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,980
The city shall look at doing that and try to,

1230
01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:34,440
it doesn't go as far as saying other partners have to do that,

1231
01:42:34,620 --> 01:42:34,740
right?

1232
01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:38,800
But it's encouraging you to evaluate opportunities for that.

1233
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,160
Is that sufficient for-

1234
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,000
I just was looking for something a little stronger,

1235
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:49,240
to encourage those, those interagency partnerships.

1236
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:50,100
Okay.

1237
01:42:50,820 --> 01:42:52,140
We're going to discuss that.

1238
01:42:53,780 --> 01:42:55,860
Just want to make sure that this is

1239
01:42:55,860 --> 01:43:05,360
would be specific to partnerships and not allowable allowing them to do anything or promising

1240
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:15,140
something upfront because I've seen in other areas of the 429 I-4 projects where the stormwater

1241
01:43:15,140 --> 01:43:20,900
drainage off of the project has resulted in neighborhoods flooding. We're right, but I want to

1242
01:43:20,900 --> 01:43:26,620
make it mutually beneficial where the opportunity exists. Absolutely. Okay. Okay, we'll take a look

1243
01:43:26,620 --> 01:43:28,900
that language here we can adjust.

1244
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,200
And then if we can move a little bit quicker.

1245
01:43:31,420 --> 01:43:32,560
Last one, I believe.

1246
01:43:33,260 --> 01:43:34,560
Natural groundwater in aquifer,

1247
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,320
protect and sustain the quality.

1248
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:38,680
In quantity of the super artificial

1249
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:40,220
and flow to aquifer systems,

1250
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:41,660
and protect and enhance the capabilities

1251
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,200
of groundwater recharge areas for the present

1252
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,500
and future water supply of the city.

1253
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:49,080
Objective one, groundwater quality,

1254
01:43:49,540 --> 01:43:50,940
recharge on water security,

1255
01:43:51,480 --> 01:43:53,580
civil elements relating to that, or policies.

1256
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:55,660
Objective two,

1257
01:43:55,660 --> 01:44:02,860
Groundwater quality well had protection monitoring. And that's it. Any questions related to

1258
01:44:04,140 --> 01:44:05,180
goal six.

1259
01:44:08,150 --> 01:44:09,490
I thought I saw in

1260
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:13,170
goal six somewhere about wetlands.

1261
01:44:15,150 --> 01:44:16,910
Yes, where is it?

1262
01:44:17,490 --> 01:44:19,030
The recharging, I think is

1263
01:44:20,210 --> 01:44:21,970
trying to remember now. Yeah

1264
01:44:23,130 --> 01:44:30,350
I just, my comment is that wetlands are not the end all be all.

1265
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:37,190
They're also typically not where the most significant aquifer recharge occurs.

1266
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:40,270
We also, I want to make sure that we have in here protections.

1267
01:44:40,830 --> 01:44:45,370
And I see where we've got development in prime or high aquifer recharge areas,

1268
01:44:45,370 --> 01:44:51,090
shall maintain pre-development, recharge conditions, to the maximum extent, technically feasible,

1269
01:44:51,390 --> 01:44:54,510
while meeting applicable flood control water quality public safety and environmental

1270
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:55,130
clients.

1271
01:44:55,810 --> 01:44:59,830
I want to make sure that we don't lose sight of the fact that our uplands and upland ecosystem.

1272
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,440
Somes provide significant recharge opportunity and Prime Recharge Office for Recharge areas.

1273
01:45:06,660 --> 01:45:08,340
Yeah, that's the first statement. I'm going to appreciate that.

1274
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:11,980
If we can incorporate that, I'll be back. Yes, sir. Member Diaco.

1275
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,000
Thank you.

1276
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,280
Just quickly looking at

1277
01:45:19,220 --> 01:45:26,060
6-2-1 on page 24 for protection of groundwater from hazardous and biological waste.

1278
01:45:26,060 --> 01:45:36,000
I see here that we have that the city shall enforce local and state regulations pertaining to the perfection, to the protection of.

1279
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:43,620
Are we limited to that or can we do something more punitive for when there are violations?

1280
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,960
You are not through that in the complaint that would be in the land of Elmaco.

1281
01:45:49,220 --> 01:45:49,680
Okay.

1282
01:45:52,910 --> 01:45:55,550
So we can address that here. We cannot address that here.

1283
01:45:56,350 --> 01:45:56,930
That all?

1284
01:45:59,650 --> 01:46:05,970
I don't think we would address punitive, punitive damages to people within the...

1285
01:46:05,970 --> 01:46:07,610
On that, I mean, like punitive damages.

1286
01:46:08,010 --> 01:46:11,650
I mean, can we make something more... can we...

1287
01:46:12,250 --> 01:46:13,550
Find a little harsher?

1288
01:46:14,590 --> 01:46:14,750
Yeah.

1289
01:46:15,390 --> 01:46:23,050
More clear definition on that section section 1.6.6-2.1.

1290
01:46:24,110 --> 01:46:29,630
So, you know, are we allowed to find someone greater than what...

1291
01:46:29,630 --> 01:46:30,910
regulations allow.

1292
01:46:33,980 --> 01:46:35,600
I look to you city attorney.

1293
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:43,180
We would need to research this specific topic and get back to you on it.

1294
01:46:44,780 --> 01:46:50,800
Like, yes, but we would need to confirm. All right. We'll work with staff and we'll, we'll.

1295
01:46:50,840 --> 01:47:00,020
Right. Yes, because here we're talking about like fuel spills, oil spills, illegal dumping, which is a little bit of a challenge here. And so, okay. Thank you.

1296
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,000
Okay. And then, thank you, Member Diereco.

1297
01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:12,420
6-1.8, mapping of the aquifer recharge areas, specifically mentions wetlands, but it doesn't

1298
01:47:12,420 --> 01:47:20,600
mention uplands, so if we could incorporate that, and follow up with that so that those areas

1299
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:28,980
are mapped and included in the term prime or high aquifer recharge areas.

1300
01:47:30,820 --> 01:47:31,880
No, dude.

1301
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:32,840
Okay.

1302
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:34,780
That's it?

1303
01:47:34,860 --> 01:47:35,300
No more questions.

1304
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,360
No more words for me.

1305
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:38,080
You're good.

1306
01:47:38,460 --> 01:47:38,780
All right.

1307
01:47:39,100 --> 01:47:42,360
We have one public comment.

1308
01:47:43,420 --> 01:47:44,200
Kathy Bryan.

1309
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:56,540
Good evening, Kathy Bryan.

1310
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:57,500
I got a lot of comments.

1311
01:47:58,680 --> 01:48:02,540
Actually, I'd like to see the restrictions for discharge on the storm water, et cetera.

1312
01:48:03,020 --> 01:48:07,640
Be more stern than maybe what's allowed if we're allowed to do that.

1313
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,860
Reclamed water and septic tank versus sewer.

1314
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:16,920
I'm really sorry that they didn't increase some of the reclaimed water availability.

1315
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:22,340
But the thing is, as we have issues now with trying to, there's days when it's just dry,

1316
01:48:23,100 --> 01:48:24,640
and it's not available period.

1317
01:48:25,480 --> 01:48:30,980
So what are the plans for recapturing some of this water to get, like, your eye for

1318
01:48:30,980 --> 01:48:33,040
thing talking about or something like that?

1319
01:48:33,180 --> 01:48:35,960
I want to make sure we have plans for that.

1320
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:42,580
And also when it comes to step, septic tanks, it is extremely expensive to get the new septic tanks placed.

1321
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:50,160
So I also want to make considerations for people who have just placed one and maybe now there's a new development going in and sewer is available.

1322
01:48:51,020 --> 01:48:56,600
Well, if I just paid $20,000 for septic tank and now you're going to force me over to sewer before I'm done paying for it.

1323
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:59,920
I just want to make sure that there's a lot ofments for that.

1324
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:05,100
For your smaller areas outside of the big up town,

1325
01:49:07,540 --> 01:49:10,120
when you guys change how things are done,

1326
01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:16,120
density, why is it said, or what say to the neighboring residents have, especially when you're

1327
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:22,660
talking about building some of these three story building, two or three story buildings, because privacy is a big issue.

1328
01:49:23,260 --> 01:49:27,700
And you've got some hilly areas around here, somebody builds a two story house can look right in my backyard.

1329
01:49:27,700 --> 01:49:31,980
I'm not out there naked, but, you know, I still don't need to be looking.

1330
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:35,480
Yeah, keep my options open.

1331
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:43,560
But performance reports, when you talk about has were coming along,

1332
01:49:44,260 --> 01:49:47,760
make sure there's a clear transparent plan for communicating this to the residents.

1333
01:49:49,460 --> 01:49:52,020
The other thing going back to the buildings of the increased height,

1334
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:54,640
when you implement these.

1335
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:59,980
Obviously, you're going to need increased fire and equipment and problem known.

1336
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,680
No latter trucks, no more latter trucks for a nine-story building. You're good? Okay. But I'm saying, if somebody comes in once

1337
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:15,480
that plan, what's the concurrent plan for putting out the money for the new staff? But that's a

1338
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:21,140
longer conversation, just wanted to bring it up. Wouldn't it make sense to start in some of

1339
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:26,080
the redevelopment areas where smaller businesses can get in quickly to assist with the demographics

1340
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:30,640
that we need for this city to bring in more stuff that attracts other people.

1341
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:33,020
I mean, it's kind of a round thing.

1342
01:50:35,950 --> 01:50:38,670
All not all open space has to contribute.

1343
01:50:39,190 --> 01:50:43,070
Some open space is just fine by just being there by itself.

1344
01:50:43,590 --> 01:50:46,250
I also want to make sure for the environmental places,

1345
01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:47,390
what are we doing?

1346
01:50:47,530 --> 01:50:53,990
And Parks, what are we doing to monitor those for activity that is not supposed to be going on

1347
01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:56,910
at those places, trails and stuff like that?

1348
01:50:56,910 --> 01:51:00,010
Thank you. Thank you. I do have one more.

1349
01:51:00,370 --> 01:51:00,850
Dana McCool.

1350
01:51:07,530 --> 01:51:12,150
Thank you very much. And members and commission, I just wanted to bring

1351
01:51:12,150 --> 01:51:16,530
up the fact here when we're talking about our recharge and water security. We're talking about

1352
01:51:16,530 --> 01:51:22,430
our ground where quantity. I don't want us to venture off into fear pouring tactics again regarding

1353
01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:29,510
the conversion of septic tanks, right? Because overall there's been an approach for regional

1354
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:35,910
replacement right regional help. But there is no way that state of Florida is going to force

1355
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:41,750
this at one time by 2030 because that's invariably an unfunded mandate. The state of Florida

1356
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:45,830
is not going to take that on, legislation is not going to take that on, especially given where

1357
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:51,310
we're headed with the advent of property taxes, right? We're putting a lot of burden on taxpayer and

1358
01:51:51,310 --> 01:51:58,230
I don't see that happening. So I think that there is going to be more implementation of us directly

1359
01:51:58,230 --> 01:52:02,630
with our water cleanup around here. We need to start thinking about that as far as our infrastructure

1360
01:52:02,630 --> 01:52:09,150
and staffing. Because that, our basin management, our water weight management and our legs

1361
01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:13,770
is going to be on us and the special taxing districts. But it's going to come down to the

1362
01:52:13,770 --> 01:52:22,570
municipalities to do that. In light of, we're talking there, some people that are campaigning right now

1363
01:52:22,570 --> 01:52:29,030
on cutting staff 40 percent, it's acidizing to think that we can do that with what's coming

1364
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:34,430
down from the state as far as these go. So I want us to be very cognizant of that. I want

1365
01:52:34,430 --> 01:52:40,430
the commission and our planning and zoning board to be very cognizant of that. What we're

1366
01:52:40,430 --> 01:52:45,530
spoon-feeding people and our resses because this makes people scared. Elderly people that have

1367
01:52:45,530 --> 01:52:49,550
been in their residence for 30 years now, freaking out because somebody thought it's a good idea

1368
01:52:49,550 --> 01:52:52,610
to politicize mandating sewer.

1369
01:52:52,710 --> 01:52:53,530
That's what they do.

1370
01:52:53,710 --> 01:52:55,530
They come after these fear tactics

1371
01:52:55,530 --> 01:52:57,050
and they scare our residents.

1372
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:59,450
They take middle class, middle-aged people,

1373
01:52:59,570 --> 01:53:01,010
they've been working really hard for everything

1374
01:53:01,010 --> 01:53:02,850
that they have, and this is what's happening

1375
01:53:02,850 --> 01:53:04,490
in our political environment right now.

1376
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:06,650
So I'm throwing the gauntlet down right now,

1377
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:09,570
we'll challenge anybody that tries to use that moving forward.

1378
01:53:10,030 --> 01:53:12,550
Any of this that we're talking about right here,

1379
01:53:12,910 --> 01:53:14,550
I will make it a personal mission

1380
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:17,770
to go after somebody that is frightening our residents about this.

1381
01:53:17,770 --> 01:53:19,470
So I would like the commission in the board

1382
01:53:19,470 --> 01:53:22,430
to be dang well informed on what is actually coming

1383
01:53:22,430 --> 01:53:23,530
down from state legislation.

1384
01:53:24,170 --> 01:53:26,590
We seem to be out of touch with that a little bit, right?

1385
01:53:26,590 --> 01:53:29,150
We're kind of myopic in what we're doing at a city level.

1386
01:53:29,470 --> 01:53:32,210
And we need to be more responsible to our residents here.

1387
01:53:32,410 --> 01:53:35,410
So talking about cutting staff with these things coming down

1388
01:53:35,410 --> 01:53:37,050
is really short-sighted.

1389
01:53:37,170 --> 01:53:42,850
And I don't want our public to be handed fear tactics, right?

1390
01:53:43,170 --> 01:53:47,310
As we are working on here, our comprehensive plan in Deltona.

1391
01:53:47,310 --> 01:53:51,770
We're a city of 100,000 and we need to start behaving that way instead of what we're doing,

1392
01:53:51,790 --> 01:53:55,810
some of what we're doing. I want to thank you guys really for doing this.

1393
01:53:56,770 --> 01:54:01,470
When we started doing this, you were providing good information for the average resident.

1394
01:54:02,170 --> 01:54:07,550
So I'm just saying today that this shall not be politicized, not in our city. Thank you.

1395
01:54:11,110 --> 01:54:12,150
That ends public comment.

1396
01:54:14,990 --> 01:54:19,030
Thank you, Joyce. Commissioner Harry. Yes, sir. Just to note,

1397
01:54:19,730 --> 01:54:24,970
If the commission or P&Z has any comments regarding these elements, we just went over, if you

1398
01:54:24,970 --> 01:54:29,450
can please provide that as soon as possible, so we can get that to the consultants.

1399
01:54:30,130 --> 01:54:34,570
And our next workshop, number seven, will be on September 28th, and we will be going over

1400
01:54:34,570 --> 01:54:36,990
the future land use, transportation and housing elements.

1401
01:54:38,590 --> 01:54:39,210
Thank you, Jordan.

1402
01:54:40,170 --> 01:54:41,410
City manager, do you have any comments?

1403
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:42,030
Nothing.

1404
01:54:42,190 --> 01:54:42,350
See you.

1405
01:54:42,370 --> 01:54:42,950
Thank you.

1406
01:54:43,410 --> 01:54:43,630
All right.

1407
01:54:43,630 --> 01:54:49,750
And I asked a question, Jordan, I'm assuming comments that with me today, we do not have to put into

1408
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:52,190
a written format correct.

1409
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:52,870
That is correct.

1410
01:54:52,990 --> 01:54:54,010
Okay, they will be okay.

1411
01:54:54,050 --> 01:54:59,810
In addition to what was discussed, any other questions from the commissioner, PNZ?

1412
01:55:00,620 --> 01:55:02,680
All right, hearing none. We're adjourned. Thank you.