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so what we'd like to do is take a moment

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to remember those facts

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we'll just those

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now let's take some time to connect with

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those who present those that we

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now it'll take some time to connect with

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our decisions will impact police

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attuning our recommendation and

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eventually the court's decision to

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consider

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thank you

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ladies and gentlemen could I ask that

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everyone turn your phone either on

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silent or turn it off we want to welcome

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everyone to what we had agreed to three

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months ago would be a meeting of

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conclusion where we try to find

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consensus in this very very difficult

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decision I want to thank all of the

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committee members for the time the

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effort and their extreme professionalism

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that they demonstrated throughout this

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process and what we'll do today is we're

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going to go around the room and we're

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going to give each one of the committee

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members will introduce themselves in

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just a moment and then we'll start we'll

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go around everyone will introduce

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themselves and tell which of the

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commissioners recommended them for this

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opportunity and then everyone will have

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seven minutes and our timekeeper let's

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hear for our timekeeper

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we'll keep us on time then after

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everyone has made a had an opportunity

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to present their recommendations we've

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got a we're supposed to have a tablet

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over here where we're going to tally and

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then if for some reason we don't all

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we can do to be a little flexible and

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make a recommendation of some consensus

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so yes sir thank you we'll start on this

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end with mister you want to introduce

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yourself

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is your microphone

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ditchin Ronen a appointed by

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commissioner Bobby Mitchell John Baines

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appointed by commissioner EADS and to

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our guests in the audience today we ask

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for decorum and the this is not an

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opportunity for your participation but

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simply your observation these folks the

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15 of us my Cochrane who is in Italy

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will be sending his recommendation

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it'll be read into consideration just a

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little reminder here when we got started

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she would indulge me just a moment

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this daunting task to find consensus

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that will last that 15 voices might be

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one this county i'm sandra changers what

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to do to find consensus that is true

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protect our future guard our past with a

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consensus that will last with our

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consensus that they are 15 voices for

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they are like lyrics June 15 ingredients

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that will take and a tasty consensus

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case to make mark money Mike K

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Judy fed Donna's her nose

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Charlotte Paul and John and Peggy that's

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our crew who recommend something too

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professors came and they professed and

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feelings or and or while committee

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members kept the score novice for weeks

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and offering brain tasty consensus take

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that thing I tasty check joy pie taste

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who will be the first to give their

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first Paul you will be first not make a

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speech today here finding ways there are

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consensus at least 12 votes

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all voices from the public not just

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commissioners felt that we can find

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common ground and citizen to be able to

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for example find that consensus on ways

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to accommodate each other's views

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consensus to it as a starting point we

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want to try to rally round with John has

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put forward that's easy for me to do

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John's brilliantly focused his concept

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on memorializing soldiers actually

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square while offering a very appropriate

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context for specifically remembering

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fallen Confederates

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right that if you think back in the

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public comments that passions with those

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worried about losing the monument was

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less about the Confederacy and more

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about not beginning the sacrifices of

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soldiers generally and that assists

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organizing premise it also of course

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is less of a public history lesson than

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some other approaches we've heard but it

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is balanced and since if I could support

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it we would probably need to think

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through the relationship between what he

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Memorial I think we can tackle that

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thank you Paul are you ready sure now

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you want to talk to us Charlotte you're

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talking to us they're just listeners

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we can be in his country and had

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differences because the past matters

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it's medicine we are done I've ever

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believed in me and better itself

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Burger King's wisdom should not be

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forgot one of our speakers named dr.

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King for where we are today and the

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darkness from dr. King's strength to

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what speech in 1963 darkness cannot

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drive out darkness

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physical place for the countenance with

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Thank You Charlotte can you can't give

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them Freddy microphone thank you I think

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Commissioner here : for my appointment

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to this committee it has been hoarding

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an interesting experience and I think

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each of the committee members for that

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awesome special thanks of appreciation

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to take your ribbon or all she has done

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to help us into John Banks our Chairman

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has done an honorable job it has been my

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pleasure to make that with the

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acquaintance of each of you and I wish

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you all the very best in the future

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there is no doubt this memorial was

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dedicated to our southern Confederate

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soldiers the words on the heart to read

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Confederate soldiers the inscription on

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the right panel reads in the world their

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names graves when the morning columns

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are a song we heard more into the future

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and their examples reach a hand through

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the years to meet Kendall generous

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purpose and moment

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that's as pure as their back number to

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Civil War soldiers our United States

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village u.s. code public law 85 - 425

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breach that the veterans benefit at 1957

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public law 85 - 56 is amending section

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343 7 432 is emitted by adding to the

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end thereof the following news

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subsection II for the purpose of this

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section in section 433 that term veteran

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includes a person who served in the

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military and number nine immediately

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above section 411 in search of following

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Confederate or seasoned veterans by law

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and veteran soldiers are American

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veterans and are due honor and respect

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for results back number three members of

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the United States Armed Forces are our

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Brotherhood we are taught that we never

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leave our wounded or dead behind and to

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ever honor their sacrifice this includes

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removing a memorial to honor honor to

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those soldiers who fought in the Civil

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War President John F Kennedy a Navy

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veteran emphasized this and the

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following quote a nation reveals itself

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not only by the minute produces but also

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whether man had honor to remove this

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memorial is to dishonor official US

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veterans my decision is to leave it

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where it is

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appropriate non-cash thank you thank you

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Fred would you give Donna a microphone

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okay I come from a long line of veterans

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and each of us come to this committee

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with a different past history family

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history and we're just people we've

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written problematic students have said

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seek first to understand the men be

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understood so to be understood we have

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to listen to others and here to check

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each of our perspectives

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my great-grandfather relative veteran

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Army in Georgia he was 22 years old my

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first great-grandfather that's pretty

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close that was April 16 1961 in 1894 in

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Minden Cook County step forward 53 years later and not to 14 shortly

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before the monuments

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- 75 years old and he applied for his

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better attention he did that division

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student long for people

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Jeff Ward another hundred years

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here we are dead my mother-in-law was

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one Marez

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a big Hispanic family my god bad news

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are what happened with an American one

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horde of Hispanic 1/4 Caucasian

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I've got a perspective on this I think

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from all directions learned a lot there

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this enormous per game and I

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flip-flopped my opinion more than once

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based on the understanding based on the

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history that this fit is wrought based

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on the perspectives of the committee

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members with historians that have come

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to talk to us I came on to this

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committee thinking the statue had to

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death I changed my opinion about that I

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think it's irresponsible for us to move

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the statute at this point I think it's a

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irresponsible for us to lose counting

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guns and then we've been asked not to

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think about dollars but we can't operate

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a vacuum

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we've got to make a recommendation

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commissioners report that they can adopt

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isn't conscious and then we know that we

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can fund in some way I think we need to

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add context to the memorial as it stands

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I think we need to be very strong in

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that context and we need to convince

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libraries and we need to bend in

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anything that makes any of our children

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our children's children feel like less

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of a person I don't think that you can

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get with so much I think that we should

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attract something not only other side of

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the square that's the next to the

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memorial where it's going to be seen and

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not just passed by it maybe on each side

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of the trail to pay tribute to those

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that stood up for the rights that allow

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every person man woman and child jump

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properly devote to eat and drink

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wherever they want wherever they please

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I think we can do this and come to a

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consensus that and I would get behind

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or any privately elected memorial to

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civil rights

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I loved Lily's idea a veteran memorial

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but I don't think we should utilize

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county funds or private funds to move

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the statue I think that's an

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irresponsible in on our part so that's

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my recommendation Thank You Donna

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shinobi can you bring the microphone a

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little closer to you yes much better

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Thank You commissioner who asked you to

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be on this committee that was a bit

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doesn't at first when I realized the

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importance of lasting impact

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participating they had an opportunity I

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came into this with an open mind and

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willingness to see and understand other

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perspectives

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give me confidence I felt

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navigate thorough information and be

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given when the published author and

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southern historian mr. Campbell spilled

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about moments from up concerns about

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monuments the statutes in the South he's

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thought of how they erected an honors

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military leaders and to memorialize the

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lost soldiers

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unlike Civil War monuments in the north

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which were not notes about individual

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such as parking awards but of the war

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itself he favored the competitive soviet

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monument to state in its place and one

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more context dr. Martin Delany professor

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of African American history ETA with a

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special interest in cuddly the storica

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monument spoke about the monuments

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retired to wipers supremacy racism he

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favored the monument be new to the

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museum with the more historical context

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and as to Mrs Smith's impassioned

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presentation which left a mark on me it

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was about what Rayson feels like and how

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the monument is a reminder of how racism

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in the past and today is she was in

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favor of money

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persimmons were echoed by some of the

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citizens at public organs I meant to

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give about twenty years ago I really

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don't remember my reaction the first

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time I saw a monument and later when I

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had some Zetas are racist objects others

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an important part of ancestry racism in

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Memphis move to another location we're

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not as many people will see it and learn

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its lesson we are very arrogant impose

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our values of today and place them on

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the past we are fine and what is right

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and wrong changes with time ng w bush's

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opening dedication to the National

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Museum of african-american history and

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culture the great nation is not

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faces its flaws and corrects them I

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believe this my friend along with

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Twitter Town Park and the store clerk a

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rally of the teaching aides to the

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children and then each year students at

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Cal middle school and I'm the world

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school studying civil war and slightly

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in both degrees Kelvin is a title in

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school which means majority of students

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the assistant these lunches and school

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supplies which I had without it would be

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able to see this one even admitted to

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the grave site my recommendation for the

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monument is were to stay with panic

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context I believe it can act service

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educational listen to the students in

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our schools the better works were all

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seminars share and unique present and

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past in an age where is easier to raise

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our casting for in art history I believe

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that we should not advocate that educate

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people who come to see what it stands

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for a tribute to confederate veterans

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lost in war thank you thank you tsunami

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it's not moving okay

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by 1861 both sides of my family were in

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worse danger on my mother's side one

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ancestor this bench for being an

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abolitionist by pro-slavery while my

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three-times for Oklahomans kidnapped

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tortured and hanged by the Confederate

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Bill Anderson in July 1862 an idea where

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union officers leading counterinsurgency

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operations in north-central Missouri in

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one of those men was my

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great-great-grandfather

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it's an illustrated complicated nature

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of this war in the Finley's his brother

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was an officer the Confederate no less

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not my dad side during the war but my

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great-grandfather Ward 1868 was named

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after he listened says grant if it's a

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first person it's made that after

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bothering me so I imagined that their

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holiday gatherings was probably a public

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affairs

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it wasn't the purpose of this committee

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related to civil wars nor the history of

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either the Confederacy institution child

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slavery America

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however the historical treatment of

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these elements that nuisances which

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determine seeds disparate thoughts on

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moral and legal standing of the

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temporary audience give a mortise

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throughout the South through Texas as

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far as my interpretation it has any

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bearing at all on this it's that the

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world about slavery there were other

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areas of dispute between the northern

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and southern states economic disparity

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and understanding of states rights but I

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believe ultimately all these issues that

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we issue there was no other contentious

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issue that they could bring in such a

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tragedy it said that slavery it's the

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original sin

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I don't believe that that notion tells

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the whole story

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slavery was common practice throughout

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the world and it was brought to the

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Western Hemisphere but what makes what

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is unique about the United States it's

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not the institution of slavery but that

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the United States

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what a great fratricidal war which

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legislators and I don't believe that the

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average unit in standard walk an

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abolitionist cause nor do I believe that

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the average Confederate soldier

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purposely went to war for their

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disabling interest as a war veteran

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myself I understand it to enlist for a

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multitude of reasons in wartime

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adventure patriotism in supporting a

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community and I'm pretty certain that at

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the very bottom of every soldier's

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business further as far as the purpose

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of Confederate Memorial goes they don't

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see that the purpose is shrouded in

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history wives the daughters the

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granddaughters the soldiers who serve

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who didn't wish to honor their husbands

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and fathers service that United

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Daughters of the Confederacy may have

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simply wish to honor the service of

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awards

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irrelevant today public sentiment

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changes over time perception of our

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events and historical figures suddenly

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it's constant they stand in the new

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history for a prison that is covered by

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current events this is not necessarily

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what would be wrong with me doing

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Antebellum Texas secession the events in

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1861 3065 reconstruction and Jim Crow

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only through the interpretations that

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were offered at that time as students of

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history we need understanding calculate

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errors but that doesn't mean that we

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need guided by the day but for the same

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reason we need to be cautious about

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burning passions to my knowledge there

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is no conclusive data indicating public

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support for either in handy for our

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awareness you know the public rooms

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should rate intensity of feeling on the

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subject but they were less than helpful

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in framing for didn't count as a whole

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stance on the issue it is not in our

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interest to be into the loudest voices

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that is why this

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they'll work through a contentious issue

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however in Congress it Mesa as an

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American of d'être as an American

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veteran people objected Confederate

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award

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I see memorials as distinct amendments

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the leaders such as Jefferson Davis

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which animals relatively history teaches

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us that even soldiers who fight through

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wrong causes may Switzerland honor valor

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in what the best intentions their

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distended their descendants still nor

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their loss you have the right under

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sacrifice we have two fundamental

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courses of action before us to keep the

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statue in place and a historical context

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and remove the statute to another

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location such as the Denton Historical

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Park

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Lexus where the first course of action

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keeping the memorial place in historical

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context

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I'm a strong believer Thomas Carlyle's

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observation that history is a letter of

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instruction under CASL and that spirit

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of the leaves and the statue remaining

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place is a letter of instruction and

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it's a letter of instruction

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mechanically conservative strengthened

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through the addition of context about

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the war about the amenities

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tribution UTC about slavery County in

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addition there were like a voice my

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support Michigan of a monumental

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opportunity such as possibly represented

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by mr. and mrs. Skinner a Quaker and

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again with with proper historical

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context just as its rightful honor the

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sacrifice of those soldiers in the

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county through the Civil War one minute

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it is surely property immortalized in

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honor of the african-americans of County

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for their servitude abuse and

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humiliation throughout County's history

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in that concludes my remarks but I'd

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like to see John very much with a tough

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job Rachel thank you thank you very much

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Tim are you ready the ability of the

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federal employer to educate people of

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today and regeneration about the

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tortured American past and how that was

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forwarded topically

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I also believe that to hire memorial a

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place for people venture is a disservice

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in history and let me face the history

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that must be faced head-on no matter how

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uncomfortable and would be a lost

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educational opportunity that must be

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experienced by many in order for the

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continued recovery of America thank you

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I thank my fellow committee

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we have probably spent 40 hours working

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on this numerous hours reading material

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numerous hours talking among ourselves I

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found it very helpful to get to know

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people it's hard to dislike people that

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you know and I think to a great extent

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if our fellow citizens for example on

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racial lines got to know each other

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better

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more likely to work out the differences

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come to consensus so thank you all for

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agreeing to serve I want to especially

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thank Peggy's birthday taken riddle

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who's worked for the county and

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that more time that you thought you was

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going down the meaning of catering to

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our decent to some extent on twins and

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helping us in so many ways and then

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finally to our chair John Baines he has

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led us with respect and dignity and to

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his credit

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he wasn't chair but especially because

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of the huge chair waited until recently

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so very recently to tell us his thoughts

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about what should happen and that's not

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always easy to do and John I just wanna

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thank you again for your service this

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chair I don't think anybody and I talked

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respectfully about my other map the

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statue the monument I'd say it very

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least is controversial I think that's it

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worked for a number of reasons get it

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but controversial because one of my

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fellow committee members and and I'm not

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going to argue with them said the facts

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were that this was dedicated to the

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soldiers the Confederacy I would say

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that if you look at the dentist

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United Daughters of dependency and I

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think the word united is important in

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daughters Confederacy and another

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purpose and I'm not saying they all agreed with

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this but they did not have put si si

561
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:28,650
the Confederate soldiers American top on

562
00:35:28,650 --> 00:35:31,740
the statute I think they did that with

563
00:35:31,740 --> 00:35:33,930
the intention of sending a message to

564
00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:36,450
you future generation saying with

565
00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:41,660
violent words on the left side of the

566
00:35:41,660 --> 00:35:47,130
words are which says in service it's now

567
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:48,780
in our hour of need

568
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,970
once again after detention with just

569
00:35:50,970 --> 00:35:55,099
honor soldiers they do not have to add

570
00:35:55,099 --> 00:36:01,680
the context in South our D and my my

571
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,130
interpretation facts is that it may be a

572
00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:08,280
tribute to the soldiers but it's also a

573
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,030
statement of that Confederacy and them

574
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:17,550
erecting this monument to to tell their

575
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:21,240
kids and grandkids that their relative

576
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,740
lives were lost to protect the

577
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:27,079
institution slavery

578
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,369
they didn't have to go for that they did

579
00:36:30,369 --> 00:36:34,700
so and the very ladies even if most of

580
00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:37,549
people on this committee or people the

581
00:36:37,549 --> 00:36:40,160
audience for that matter heard the other

582
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,329
people who may be listening to these

583
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:49,009
words will know is that a controversy

584
00:36:49,009 --> 00:36:55,940
and in my mind what we need to do is to

585
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:59,450
come up with a unifying principle and I

586
00:36:59,450 --> 00:37:01,640
don't think that monument is the

587
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,009
unifying principle as long as it stays

588
00:37:04,009 --> 00:37:06,859
there I think it would bite us and I

589
00:37:06,859 --> 00:37:08,809
think that's a bad thing not a good

590
00:37:08,809 --> 00:37:11,299
thing although I agree and I'm with

591
00:37:11,299 --> 00:37:14,239
every I haven't mentioned that I don't

592
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,420
think previously I totally believe in

593
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:25,130
honoring our soldiers now instead I

594
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:28,430
think we didn't focus to focus on John

595
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:32,209
Bishop John's vision told us two weeks

596
00:37:32,209 --> 00:37:36,199
ago was that there be in the place where

597
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,499
the competitive memorial monument is is

598
00:37:39,499 --> 00:37:42,499
to be a monument all soldiers from

599
00:37:42,499 --> 00:37:46,759
Denton County who have served in the

600
00:37:46,759 --> 00:37:50,019
past and all the wars dating back to the

601
00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:55,640
American Revolution the future the

602
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,510
statements that we may

603
00:37:58,510 --> 00:38:00,580
a recommendation to the commissioners

604
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:03,520
there is going to be a statement that we

605
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,260
make to our children and our

606
00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:08,680
grandchildren one of the things that

607
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,760
hasn't brought up is that and all of our

608
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,700
public forums the Millennials know is

609
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:23,440
under their late 30s to 18 years of age

610
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:29,500
about 90% of them favored moving and I

611
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,830
think we're being blind if we don't

612
00:38:32,830 --> 00:38:36,720
realize we may be too close to the past

613
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,200
many of us talked about our relatives

614
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,080
who fought one side the other of the

615
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,970
Civil War I think that I think we may be

616
00:38:48,970 --> 00:38:51,430
too close I think the Millennials have

617
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:54,040
enough distance that they can more

618
00:38:54,040 --> 00:39:02,050
objectively when we love thee let me

619
00:39:02,050 --> 00:39:04,960
just move on I think that this is in the

620
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,690
form of a motion but I would like to

621
00:39:07,690 --> 00:39:09,960
make a motion

622
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,380
or remarks that Confederate statute

623
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:16,080
located at Denton County Courthouse in

624
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Denton be moved to another historical

625
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480
location or cemetery with the caveat

626
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,720
that be placed in a location where it

627
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,210
could be given historical context in a

628
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:29,700
statute be replaced by his family that

629
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:32,010
honored all veterans in Benton County

630
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:34,740
from all the Lord's gave back to the

631
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:36,930
American Revolution I'd like to see us

632
00:39:36,930 --> 00:39:39,540
start our dialogue or discussion of

633
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:42,720
deliberations with that motion in front

634
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:49,380
of us and one last thing somebody else

635
00:39:49,380 --> 00:39:52,109
enters at Beaver Falls we need to reach

636
00:39:52,109 --> 00:40:01,990
the supermajority Thank You Howard

637
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:11,830
okay Copeland please

638
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,390
can you turn our speaker off his red

639
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:24,050
light is it all is it all right yours is

640
00:40:24,050 --> 00:40:30,150
not all

641
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,989
much better than much good thank you

642
00:40:32,989 --> 00:40:37,160
I lived in 1945 and I was in the sixth

643
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:45,729
grade

644
00:40:45,739 --> 00:40:48,470
back then Denton was a segregated city

645
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:51,559
and I remember that well thankfully how

646
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,249
long has changed since 1945 I'm a good

647
00:40:55,249 --> 00:40:58,700
way for period spent led to that but I

648
00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:01,670
always stayed connected to death I have

649
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:04,839
family members who were and still are

650
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:09,559
prominent members of this community so

651
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:15,920
my so my roots are deep again after

652
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,049
retirement is the only place darling

653
00:41:18,049 --> 00:41:21,799
jicama well I know that it has its

654
00:41:21,799 --> 00:41:24,559
faults we made great strides in our

655
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:27,710
desegregation members and even ended up

656
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:31,190
as a textbook case of how to get it down

657
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:31,910
tonight

658
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:35,509
the phrase we are all Broncos is not

659
00:41:35,509 --> 00:41:38,239
just a spoon catchphrase but rather a

660
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,269
genuine coming together of students of

661
00:41:41,269 --> 00:41:43,489
all races through the process of

662
00:41:43,489 --> 00:41:46,099
desegregation of the Denton Independent

663
00:41:46,099 --> 00:41:48,920
School District from the time I arrived

664
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,840
in debt

665
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,540
on the square they fledge point the

666
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:58,650
paint a simple device Innis or a tribute

667
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:01,440
to the Confederacy but rather what it is

668
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,000
a monument to the Confederate soldier it

669
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
seems now however the people across the

670
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,130
country have decided between these

671
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:14,130
monuments to the fort worth looking for

672
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:17,310
ways to make them offensive we all talk

673
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:20,580
about tolerance but I would point out

674
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:23,220
what we're actually looking at the staff

675
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:26,300
tolerance it's government regimes like

676
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:30,920
Isis Hitler and the Taliban that make us

677
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,710
remove things the moon including history

678
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:38,100
it's the definition of intolerance to

679
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:40,890
eliminate what you don't agree with and

680
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:42,300
I don't want to be on the side of

681
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:45,990
intolerance I would urge you to preserve

682
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:48,810
the memorial to honor that they remain

683
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:51,720
strictly called to serve they fought and

684
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,420
died because of the sense of honor and

685
00:42:54,420 --> 00:42:57,660
duty to defend their homes from an

686
00:42:57,660 --> 00:43:01,950
invading army we can appreciate them and

687
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:04,550
their sacrifice while at the same time

688
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:07,380
being thankful they were not successful

689
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:10,230
in their efforts it is a monument to

690
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:12,900
honor the soldier not to honor the

691
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:14,210
Confederacy

692
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:18,210
you may not know this but not bad

693
00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:21,010
two of my great grandsons ready to

694
00:43:21,010 --> 00:43:24,520
America while they're young now I look

695
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,770
forward to the day when I bring them to

696
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:29,320
the courthouse square where we'll get

697
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,440
ice cream over at Murray's sit on the

698
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,690
bench and I'll explain our history to

699
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:37,780
them the memorial is a conversation

700
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:40,930
starter and removing it removes the

701
00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:44,580
opportunity to have these conversations

702
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:47,410
removing it in fact attempts to remove

703
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:54,680
history

704
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:57,570
I was just some of the people to shop

705
00:43:57,570 --> 00:44:00,450
our business spoke to her the most

706
00:44:00,450 --> 00:44:03,030
directly affected on the daily basis

707
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:05,250
those who look out it was the courthouse

708
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:08,160
every day I spent how they felt about

709
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,950
our question several islands sent emails

710
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:13,380
expressing their thoughts many have been

711
00:44:13,380 --> 00:44:15,210
shared with the committee members I

712
00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:17,970
didn't hear any of them say that were

713
00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:20,880
offended in any way now the statute may

714
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,550
play right where it is as far as I can

715
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:25,680
tell they all thought advantage of the

716
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,410
beauty the Lance spectrum the education

717
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:32,570
of the Kennedys I believe the soldier

718
00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:36,150
has stood the test of time he stood

719
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:38,400
there for 100 years and I look forward

720
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,660
to celebrating is 100 worth day to some

721
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:44,310
hope all of you will join me for that

722
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:46,500
celebration and in fact even the

723
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,200
daughters of a hundred years ago for

724
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,320
having the course life to give it to us

725
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:59,700
my hope will start later my hope is that

726
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:02,310
we keep the monument and add language to

727
00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:04,950
it that represents the struggles and

728
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:07,150
trials of the african-american

729
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:10,810
and my hope is also that we preserve

730
00:45:10,810 --> 00:45:14,530
history and learn from this process so

731
00:45:14,530 --> 00:45:17,110
we can understand who we are and how far

732
00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:19,780
we've come and I would like to add my

733
00:45:19,780 --> 00:45:22,690
thanks to those and new people to John

734
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:27,220
you've done a marvelous job keeping us

735
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:45,940
Tom thank you Kay everyone's arguments

736
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:52,000
are fantastic I'd like to thank John -

737
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,020
you've done it a great job keeping us

738
00:45:56,020 --> 00:45:59,050
all proud and on task and stuff and the

739
00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:01,210
committee it's been an honor serving

740
00:46:01,210 --> 00:46:04,720
with all of you I'm Bobby Mitchell for

741
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:10,300
appointing me to this Advisory Committee

742
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:16,030
I actually was excited to serve on it's

743
00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:21,210
been an extreme learning experience and

744
00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:25,450
Peggy thank you so much I know we've had

745
00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:28,260
you ran from one end to the other and

746
00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:31,830
you probably disseminated more paper

747
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:35,380
during our time together than you have

748
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:41,950
in the last ten years and last but not

749
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:45,360
least the citizens that have taken their

750
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,150
to be involved in this process and to

751
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:49,800
come and listen and they come and speak

752
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,180
for or against it is good to see our

753
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:57,270
democracy in action and you exercising

754
00:46:57,270 --> 00:47:01,650
your right to be heard my presentation

755
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:09,690
is very short and sweet I am for leaving

756
00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:15,630
the statue in place and adding context

757
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:18,300
to it but there was a question that I

758
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,810
posed I think meeting or two ago that

759
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:29,180
said if if it said our Civil War soldier

760
00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:33,210
would we even be here and Mr Hudson said

761
00:47:33,210 --> 00:47:40,110
no so over and above of leaving the

762
00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:45,090
statue where it is it's adding in

763
00:47:45,090 --> 00:47:48,680
historical context I would like to see

764
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,690
the Denton County sealed the overlaid

765
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:56,700
over the CSA I would also like to see

766
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:00,780
our Civil War soldiers be overlaid over

767
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:06,690
our Confederate soldiers I think that's

768
00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:09,900
a common-sense way I do believe that it

769
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:15,480
fits the the determination when it comes

770
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,080
to the Historical Society of changes and

771
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,330
that is something that could be done and

772
00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:26,280
be done relatively inexpensive I too

773
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,540
have a hard time with tax dollars going

774
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:31,640
through this

775
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,970
it would take private fundraising but I

776
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:36,650
also believe there would be so many

777
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:39,290
people from both sides of the issue come

778
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:42,140
together to do that to make sure that

779
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:45,650
the context and other art that is added

780
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:48,530
out there would be done in great taste

781
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:52,400
and and so forth

782
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,090
I would love to see all whether kiosks

783
00:48:56,090 --> 00:49:00,970
that had oral history on it that stated

784
00:49:00,970 --> 00:49:04,280
the people were and didn't counting the

785
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,890
Civil Rights icons in Denton County that

786
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:12,830
made a difference in our County such as

787
00:49:12,830 --> 00:49:14,810
Fred Moore and the skinners that have

788
00:49:14,810 --> 00:49:17,090
been brought up in others I know Polly

789
00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:23,120
you mentioned the women's group I didn't

790
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,160
know that and it's nice to learn

791
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,740
something about that I think there's

792
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:29,570
probably a lot of people in the county

793
00:49:29,570 --> 00:49:35,210
that do not know a lot or know nothing

794
00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:38,420
about the civil rights movement in the

795
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:41,240
county in the icons that helped make

796
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:43,520
this county where it is today and I

797
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:49,490
would love to see that and that's that's

798
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:51,890
my recommendation I'm gonna cut it short

799
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:58,070
and sweet to the point thank you so that

800
00:49:58,070 --> 00:50:01,220
I don't exert a the executive privilege

801
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:29,410
in my turn to make my presentation

802
00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:31,489
Thank You mr. Hudspeth for keeping the

803
00:50:31,489 --> 00:50:33,849
conversation alive these many years

804
00:50:33,849 --> 00:50:36,890
thanks to all the committee members to

805
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:43,249
Peggy I give thanks to all who gave

806
00:50:43,249 --> 00:50:46,789
their lives to give us the freedoms that

807
00:50:46,789 --> 00:50:51,289
we have in this country and my

808
00:50:51,289 --> 00:50:53,359
presentation is going to be about five

809
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:57,319
recommendations that I have and also

810
00:50:57,319 --> 00:51:01,279
about the strength to make changes let

811
00:51:01,279 --> 00:51:05,719
me do my recommendations first number

812
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,349
one replace the Confederate statue with

813
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:12,349
a monument that pays tribute to all the

814
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:14,709
Fallen of Denton County from all wars

815
00:51:14,709 --> 00:51:17,989
now to show you how how unconnected I am

816
00:51:17,989 --> 00:51:21,259
in living in this community for 34 years

817
00:51:21,259 --> 00:51:24,529
I did not know there was an all wars

818
00:51:24,529 --> 00:51:28,249
memorial outside so what that tells me

819
00:51:28,249 --> 00:51:32,719
is it's so nondescript that it does not

820
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,690
give the appropriate attention to the

821
00:51:35,690 --> 00:51:40,579
issue for which it was erected my

822
00:51:40,579 --> 00:51:44,199
recommendation is that we have a

823
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:49,759
monument that pays tribute to men to

824
00:51:49,759 --> 00:51:55,099
women to Hispanics to Indians to African

825
00:51:55,099 --> 00:51:58,369
Americans to Anglo Americans the Koreans

826
00:51:58,369 --> 00:52:01,999
and the Japanese who all were a part of

827
00:52:01,999 --> 00:52:05,479
all the Wars of this country my

828
00:52:05,479 --> 00:52:10,459
recommendation is that every name of any

829
00:52:10,459 --> 00:52:13,579
deceased who fought in a war would be

830
00:52:13,579 --> 00:52:16,819
listed on that monument I one of my

831
00:52:16,819 --> 00:52:19,339
eager assistants went through and found

832
00:52:19,339 --> 00:52:22,029
all the names of all the World War two

833
00:52:22,029 --> 00:52:25,609
deceased from Denton County it's here

834
00:52:25,609 --> 00:52:29,779
for you to look at after our meeting he

835
00:52:29,779 --> 00:52:33,469
listed everyone there all the names so

836
00:52:33,469 --> 00:52:35,299
for those who want to go and touch

837
00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:38,930
history touch their ancestors touch the

838
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:42,770
past say a prayer give a word of thanks

839
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:45,560
it's right there for you my

840
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,690
recommendation is also to convene an

841
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:50,540
Committee of diverse veterans and others

842
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:52,970
to see this project through from

843
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:56,030
conception to completion the county

844
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:58,010
should not pay for this memorial I'm

845
00:52:58,010 --> 00:53:00,410
willing to commit a thousand dollars a

846
00:53:00,410 --> 00:53:02,630
year for the next three years as my

847
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:06,040
contribution to this effort number to

848
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,630
relocate the Confederate statue to

849
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:11,870
either the I double O F Cemetery or the

850
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:14,300
Denton County Historical Park on Carroll

851
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,120
Boulevard that is a great piece of art

852
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,510
it is a great piece of history and I do

853
00:53:20,510 --> 00:53:23,120
not want to desecrate the memory of any

854
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,470
who gave their lives as a veteran who

855
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:31,580
was serving in a what I consider a war

856
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:35,000
that to this day is still controversial

857
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,990
the Vietnam War I'm glad I was able to

858
00:53:38,990 --> 00:53:40,580
serve my country but there's a lot of

859
00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:43,760
confusion still around that number three

860
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,940
I recommend that a memorial be made to

861
00:53:46,940 --> 00:53:49,850
chronicle the progress of race relations

862
00:53:49,850 --> 00:53:53,110
and Denton County now this is this is a

863
00:53:53,110 --> 00:53:55,640
more workmanship this is a poor man's

864
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:01,570
effort here one side has all the slaves

865
00:54:01,570 --> 00:54:05,630
so we go from slavery to the next phase

866
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:08,960
in history which is Quakertown Park so

867
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,750
we have Quakertown Park here then we

868
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:14,390
have another momentous occasion in

869
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:18,310
Denton County history the Fellowship of

870
00:54:18,310 --> 00:54:22,010
Christian women who laid the foundation

871
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:23,930
for the integration of the public

872
00:54:23,930 --> 00:54:26,450
schools are commemorated here and last

873
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:29,080
but not least when you were Broncos and

874
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,990
so I'm proposing that we have not only a

875
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:35,990
memorial to the veterans but a memorial

876
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:38,900
to racial healing and I didn't have time

877
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:41,090
to bring my other incomplete which was

878
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:44,960
my fourth recommendation was that we not

879
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,810
just focused on veterans or on the past

880
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:50,500
but let's focus on the future and

881
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:53,420
branding our future we have a lot of

882
00:54:53,420 --> 00:54:55,450
opportunity

883
00:54:55,450 --> 00:54:57,130
right now the world is looking at us

884
00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:58,600
what are we going to say about ourselves

885
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,910
is dentin simply about veterans is

886
00:55:00,910 --> 00:55:03,760
dictum simply about race are there some

887
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,830
other things we would like to discuss

888
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:08,830
for example dentin is a great place to

889
00:55:08,830 --> 00:55:12,430
live we value education we look at it as

890
00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:16,060
a beacon for the future so use this for

891
00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:19,210
another opportunity to talk positively

892
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:21,400
about ourselves and our vision for the

893
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,390
future and then our last one was to have

894
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:28,420
town hall meetings in all the locations

895
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:31,060
where we were previously to convey to

896
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:33,670
the citizens the decision that we came

897
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:36,310
to whatever the consensus is that we go

898
00:55:36,310 --> 00:55:38,800
and we talk to people about why we chose

899
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,290
this and not the other how many minutes

900
00:55:41,290 --> 00:55:45,250
do I have left mr. Sanchez two minutes

901
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:48,270
thank you I should be able to do this

902
00:55:48,270 --> 00:55:53,680
the strength to change there was a time

903
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,730
in history when five slaves equal three

904
00:55:57,730 --> 00:55:59,770
white men it was told the three-fifths

905
00:55:59,770 --> 00:56:04,360
Amendment okay but things changed people

906
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,910
were strong enough to make a change

907
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:08,740
there was a time and emancipation was

908
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:10,750
necessary people were strong enough to

909
00:56:10,750 --> 00:56:12,820
make a change even though there are lots

910
00:56:12,820 --> 00:56:15,910
of voices clamoring people were strong

911
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:19,060
enough to make a change voting rights

912
00:56:19,060 --> 00:56:21,790
for the slaves people made a change

913
00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:24,820
prohibition people made a change one of

914
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:26,950
the ones I love the most women's right

915
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:29,200
to vote people made a change they

916
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,170
realized we thought to make a change the

917
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:34,740
poll tax was removed and

918
00:56:34,740 --> 00:56:37,120
eighteen-year-olds when I was 18 I had

919
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:38,550
to go to Vietnam

920
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:43,930
thank you I'm almost there so I talked

921
00:56:43,930 --> 00:56:46,210
about the strength to change and I

922
00:56:46,210 --> 00:56:49,660
talked about how wonderful it was to

923
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:52,210
have this experience I hope that our

924
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:53,950
recommendations will have some

925
00:56:53,950 --> 00:56:57,400
meaningful outcome and I thank you from

926
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,590
the bottom of my heart for this time

927
00:56:59,590 --> 00:57:07,370
thank you

928
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:10,690
welcome sir I think it's important for

929
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:14,340
me to say that I've been doing this

930
00:57:14,340 --> 00:57:18,820
talking about that statute for almost a

931
00:57:18,820 --> 00:57:24,040
little bit over 18 years I came to this

932
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,910
committee with a preconceived idea of

933
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:30,130
what things what should have happened to

934
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:33,910
you in regards to that and I think many

935
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:35,140
of the members of already talked about

936
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:39,880
this situations changed when you get to

937
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,330
know the people who were dealing with

938
00:57:43,330 --> 00:57:47,470
and that in fact happened to me what I

939
00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:50,860
brought to the committee was my past and

940
00:57:50,860 --> 00:57:56,920
it was a difficult time for me growing

941
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,480
up in a segregated community mr. Sanchez

942
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:11,440
let me know when I look at segregated

943
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,490
community that means only blacks were in

944
00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:18,130
my neighborhood we all only ventured out

945
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:21,160
to go to work and come back horrendous

946
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,660
things are snapping to me as a young

947
00:58:22,660 --> 00:58:24,640
person now I'm bringing all this to the

948
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,270
committee you must realize I want you to

949
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:32,890
realize that's what I'm having to work

950
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:35,800
through that history went through our

951
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,530
black school then at 18 is young men

952
00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:40,690
never leaving my community it was thrust

953
00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:42,410
into a war that I didn't agree

954
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:44,780
did not want to serve then I saw

955
00:58:44,780 --> 00:58:46,369
horrendous things that happened there

956
00:58:46,369 --> 00:58:49,339
and I left the war came home and people

957
00:58:49,339 --> 00:58:51,829
treated me really bad and I didn't

958
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:54,289
understand I didn't want to go and it

959
00:58:54,289 --> 00:58:56,660
was because we lost whatever that means

960
00:58:56,660 --> 00:58:59,690
they didn't have a idea for Vietnam and

961
00:58:59,690 --> 00:59:02,089
seeing people killed and dismembered in

962
00:59:02,089 --> 00:59:04,130
mind and all that was was all about

963
00:59:04,130 --> 00:59:07,430
didn't care I don't know whatever that's

964
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:09,970
what's happened on the committee to

965
00:59:09,970 --> 00:59:11,930
that's happening to me and I brought

966
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:18,319
that to the committee then Christ came

967
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:24,859
into my life I went to church and I

968
00:59:24,859 --> 00:59:26,119
didn't know what that was all about then

969
00:59:26,119 --> 00:59:29,960
I met this thing and spirit that helped

970
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,660
me see that I should do better dad I

971
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:36,380
brought that to the community so coupled

972
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:39,200
with the 18 years almost of being out

973
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,589
there saying something's wrong here and

974
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:44,119
now having an opportunity to make a

975
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:47,089
change only to come to the committee and

976
00:59:47,089 --> 00:59:51,589
they happened we all had the past's

977
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:54,950
started to come out and so now we're

978
00:59:54,950 --> 01:00:01,000
working through the past of all of us in

979
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,809
my young life growing up not only would

980
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:08,599
he not be sitting here as a chairman of

981
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:12,109
anything he would not be allowed in this

982
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:13,329
building

983
01:00:13,329 --> 01:00:17,690
nor I nowhere near is good enough to be

984
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:20,119
arraigned and sent away to some cage

985
01:00:20,119 --> 01:00:23,180
that's all in music so now I'm sitting

986
01:00:23,180 --> 01:00:24,529
on the committee and I'm trying to work

987
01:00:24,529 --> 01:00:25,970
through what do I do

988
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:40,590
I think that

989
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,530
you have to understand what slavery does

990
01:00:44,530 --> 01:00:46,770
to a person

991
01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:49,530
if you do maybe done maybe you have some

992
01:00:49,530 --> 01:00:51,450
situations like that - let me just keep

993
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:58,710
your imps in my life I'm marked this

994
01:00:58,710 --> 01:01:02,580
March I don't know why I never

995
01:01:02,580 --> 01:01:05,970
understood it it just marks right where

996
01:01:05,970 --> 01:01:10,320
I go I'm affected the people treat me a

997
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,200
certain way because of this skin that I

998
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,320
had and because of a Christian I've got

999
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,780
to get over it I've got to somehow get

1000
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:21,150
over it and let people do what they're

1001
01:01:21,150 --> 01:01:23,849
going to do and try to be good with what

1002
01:01:23,849 --> 01:01:25,859
I have - three names like you of what I

1003
01:01:25,859 --> 01:01:28,560
need to do I'm saying I like to say this

1004
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,150
I'm not going to say the things that I

1005
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:38,430
really wanted to say really what am I

1006
01:01:38,430 --> 01:01:43,130
gonna say because of mr. Boehner bless

1007
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:52,810
these part million is part just a good

1008
01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:56,339
I'm not going to say that I'm just not

1009
01:01:56,339 --> 01:01:59,880
going to say and I think he said the

1010
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:04,730
black this is this covers my problem

1011
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:06,930
just tell you what I found that I've

1012
01:02:06,930 --> 01:02:12,540
heard history the history change with

1013
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:15,030
the monument I don't like the statute

1014
01:02:15,030 --> 01:02:17,010
being moved somewheres

1015
01:02:17,010 --> 01:02:20,760
what part of history changes it doesn't

1016
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,400
honor I don't want the honor of my

1017
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,040
fellow of our parents and the soldiers

1018
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,660
that fought not being honored anymore

1019
01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:32,369
what part changes by moving this and

1020
01:02:32,369 --> 01:02:34,380
putting another statue up there or

1021
01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:37,170
something up there with the names of the

1022
01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:40,560
person how does that change honoring

1023
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,570
them I think it increases the honor

1024
01:02:42,570 --> 01:02:47,770
their names there and the last one

1025
01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:53,030
my problem my grandkids and their kids

1026
01:02:53,030 --> 01:02:56,900
how do I help them understand that we're

1027
01:02:56,900 --> 01:03:01,040
all black homes that's moving where I

1028
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,500
think we ought to be going we looked at

1029
01:03:03,500 --> 01:03:05,359
the past it's there and you can honor

1030
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,750
that we looked at where we are right now

1031
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:10,760
the Vietnam stuff in our everything I'm

1032
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,760
going through and it says to me we're

1033
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,180
all in this together we are humans well

1034
01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:19,880
humans and we're in it together let's

1035
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,099
just get together and make a change and

1036
01:03:22,099 --> 01:03:25,010
make it further for our future that does

1037
01:03:25,010 --> 01:03:44,960
it so plugging my brother thank you sir Commissioner

1038
01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:49,500
I would also like German fans as well as

1039
01:03:49,500 --> 01:03:52,530
members of the committee to count our

1040
01:03:52,530 --> 01:04:13,550
standard logic in Ireland notebook

1041
01:04:13,550 --> 01:04:17,370
county it compare one Advisory Committee

1042
01:04:17,370 --> 01:04:20,610
another book we were given our guideline

1043
01:04:20,610 --> 01:04:24,480
mission was to appropriately preserve

1044
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,120
the Confederate soldier memorial as a

1045
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,290
historical artifact using only resources

1046
01:04:31,290 --> 01:04:33,150
by the county and other authoritative

1047
01:04:33,150 --> 01:04:37,330
materials from historians engineer

1048
01:04:37,330 --> 01:04:41,600
materials related to the monument and

1049
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,690
that was a very broad spectrum of

1050
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:50,120
information we had to review after the

1051
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,940
members of the k2000 chapter the United

1052
01:04:52,940 --> 01:04:54,560
Daughters of the Confederacy had spent

1053
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,530
years young we proceeded Tara pounds and

1054
01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:00,200
bears and eccentric soldiers they wanted

1055
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,250
to erect a monument to those soldiers

1056
01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:07,550
that information I found when I went to

1057
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:09,950
Fort Worth and went through the archives

1058
01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:12,320
for the state of Texas for the United

1059
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,610
dollars the Confederacy this project of

1060
01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:19,040
putting at the monument took several

1061
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,770
years and only fundraising from the

1062
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:24,710
chapter with the county funds used in

1063
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:28,070
its purchase or placement to my

1064
01:05:28,070 --> 01:05:33,800
knowledge this is the only monument on

1065
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:39,110
this day many citizens stated they

1066
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:41,000
thought the monument should be used as a

1067
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:41,570
teaching

1068
01:05:41,570 --> 01:05:46,300
I found out the monument is included in

1069
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:49,810
courthouse Museum teaching program per

1070
01:05:49,810 --> 01:05:54,220
Riddle event information was asked for

1071
01:05:54,220 --> 01:05:57,440
so the question is answered but we need

1072
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,780
to inform the public of this teachable

1073
01:05:59,780 --> 01:06:03,160
moment for our children

1074
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,260
the fact is lacking and historical

1075
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:09,860
information of the county and how the

1076
01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:14,890
war affected the citizens of the time I

1077
01:06:14,890 --> 01:06:17,720
feel the context of the plaque should

1078
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,210
tell more of the county and the effect

1079
01:06:20,210 --> 01:06:26,600
the board had our geographic area over

1080
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,820
the years there's also mental state

1081
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:31,910
designations given to protect that

1082
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:35,960
Monument the Denton County Courthouse

1083
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,260
grounds which includes the Denton County

1084
01:06:39,260 --> 01:06:41,120
Courthouse which includes the grounds

1085
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,410
Texas Historical Commission in 1970

1086
01:06:45,410 --> 01:06:54,670
getting that designation December 22

1087
01:06:54,670 --> 01:07:00,320
1977 didn't important us which includes

1088
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,340
the ground was put on the National

1089
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:09,660
Historic Places January 1st of 1981 the

1090
01:07:09,660 --> 01:07:11,400
Benton County Courthouse which includes

1091
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,820
the ground was put on the state

1092
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:16,880
antiquities landmark listed or

1093
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,950
architectural and archaeological

1094
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:21,120
classification classification on the

1095
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:26,070
public square in 1979 Denton County

1096
01:07:26,070 --> 01:07:32,360
Courthouse on the square Museum history

1097
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,820
was listed and then Denton County

1098
01:07:35,820 --> 01:07:38,880
Courthouse Square historic history was

1099
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,300
and I have it down in two days it's the

1100
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:43,650
same thing so I don't know what we have

1101
01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:49,340
two days July 24th 1999 and November 16

1102
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2011 strong Historic Places and then

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historic architectural resources Denton

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so if we're going to do anything with

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those monuments we must go through those

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entities before changes can be made to

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the monument as it stands now that

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doesn't mean that it can't it

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and for them to be done the monument is

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covered my holidays listed on the

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grounds with the courthouse and the

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public square it is my recommendation

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you get above information that the

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monument is to the soldier of the county

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it is a counting on and it should stay

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on the south side of men on the

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courthouse museum grounds as both are

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covered by the Texas Historical

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Commission the National Register of

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Historic Places the state antiquities

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:58,730
landmark distinction it also implements

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01:08:58,730 --> 01:09:01,770
the Veterans Memorial is the ranks above

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amount and I'm sorry haven't noticed

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that before because I have been to

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Memorial Day celebrations then both

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universities have went on the courthouse

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branch the band

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we need to work to let these two

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monuments that they the other line we're

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talking about celebrates after it does

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not include that it does not however so

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both of those are I think that slavery

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every argument to try to support the

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civil war and those that defendants

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liquor is nothing more than instead an

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excuse to try to justify the

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unjustifiable

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[Music]

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one of the principle of dampers was to

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penetrate everything on what I believe

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01:10:58,270 --> 01:11:00,910
education on the civil war the lost

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01:11:00,910 --> 01:11:04,870
cause black soldiers Southern Union

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01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:07,990
soldiers Exeter two of those have

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01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:11,530
supported the eradication of slavery the

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01:11:11,530 --> 01:11:14,890
Daughters of the Confederacy hot we use

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01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:18,310
you utilize the statute to maximize

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01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:20,410
education on such an important subject

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01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:25,510
as slavery as I have stated numerous

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01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:28,420
times the the statue on the squares was

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01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:32,470
not booked there in the vacuum then with

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01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:35,350
a history associated with that statute

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01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:39,450
when it was directed and also an agenda

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01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:42,790
most of the spending was for an agenda

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in that agenda could not be approached

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01:11:45,340 --> 01:11:49,240
by the black community and Jennifer for

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01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,370
the most part and nothing to do with the

1157
01:11:51,370 --> 01:11:56,680
reality but based on myth there was this

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,950
controversy about the Confederate statue

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01:11:59,950 --> 01:12:02,890
on the dentist's word the controversy is

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01:12:02,890 --> 01:12:05,920
what does the statute stand for what is

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,480
it symbolize and who doesn't honor it in

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01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,790
an article on the dense square dated

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01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:15,340
nineteen thirty five years prior to the

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01:12:15,340 --> 01:12:18,760
statue be erected the dentist's

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01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,920
particles made that statue was to honor

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:26,410
the Confederacy what does that mean - to

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honor the Confederacy

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01:12:31,230 --> 01:12:33,660
the clitoris of the Confederate States

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of America that country that took up

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arms to fight for slavery to see from

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,890
the United States of America and took

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arms against the United States of

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America not only do they want to create

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their whole country but they want to

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expand their country to other states in

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the southwest southwestern United States

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they did not have slavery this is what

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this sudden this is what these other

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:07,380
disorders did there is no denying that yes let us look at the statue

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itself needs to call another statue has

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an inscription on the right the

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following words are described here

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amended by the Daughters of the

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Confederacy in every veteran soldier

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when the award self-sacrifice and

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loyalty gained their manhood in their

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lives to do this up in her hour of need

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this is this inscription 30 states in

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the upon earth to the Confederate

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soldiers they took up arms against the

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United States of America this

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inscription is nothing short of treason

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on the other column the following the

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words are their names great on the

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morning college Armstrong hurt or in the

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future and and their examples reached a

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part through all the years to meet

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purposes and won't it need to actually

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pure s as there's that was kind of what

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I understand what already there that was

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01:14:09,570 --> 01:14:12,210
not generous or fewer the thoughtful

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slavery that is effective the South

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seceded from the United States of

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America to create the Confederate States

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of America

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for one reason and one reason only one

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reason and one reason only

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so that was to have a country where

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slavery was legal slave who is going to

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01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:33,810
be outlawed in the United States of

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America the Confederate States of

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America one hundred countries where

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black human beings could be bought sold

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work for free and bred like livestock

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a country where black women little girls

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01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:51,150
and young boys could be great at the

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wheel of the slave owner and his that

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his born his white employees had no say

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we're children because seat front hombre

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were also sold and maintained as slaves

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for no other reason that there's skin

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color and they had no safe fighting for

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the Confederate States of America was

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neither an athlete generosity or purity

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the myth that the South was against

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slavery because they bended importing

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slaves is called the Benedict forty

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slaves because they only had strong

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green II thought it would bring more

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slaves but it'll only be value their

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slaves valuable time

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the other no month of lipstick will hide

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but the Confederate soldier thoughtful

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last but not least are the water

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problems were only white the green from

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miswired comments are the culmination of

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a thought process that Ernie the arrow

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that the statue was erected black people

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are second-class citizens or not equal

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01:16:51,880 --> 01:17:06,850
to thank you mr. Sanchez we have one

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last entry into the record

1243
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there are a couple of unresolved issue

1244
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,030
doesn't when phenomena ought to start

1245
01:17:46,030 --> 01:17:48,280
I've heard it said over and over again

1246
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,470
that the southerners were traitors and

1247
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:53,830
the monument is a monument to treason if

1248
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:55,480
narrowly focused I suppose you could

1249
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:57,400
call them prayers just like Patrick

1250
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,440
Henry George Washington were traitors to

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01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,720
England and they were equally as

1252
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,640
traitorous Sam Houston will you be

1253
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,680
Travis worldly their efforts to secede

1254
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,830
from Mexico the point being the victors

1255
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:10,690
get the frame history anywhere they want

1256
01:18:10,690 --> 01:18:11,980
to they can call it the glorious

1257
01:18:11,980 --> 01:18:14,290
American Revolution because they wanted

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01:18:14,290 --> 01:18:17,260
the right to do so in the case of Civil

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01:18:17,260 --> 01:18:19,090
War our side won

1260
01:18:19,090 --> 01:18:21,760
that is a Concord family side and in the

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magnanimity of victory the North chose

1262
01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:25,870
to grant amnesty and immunity from

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01:18:25,870 --> 01:18:28,180
prosecution for treason to the southern

1264
01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:30,940
brothers even Jeff Davis was not

1265
01:18:30,940 --> 01:18:33,520
prosecuted because some legal scholars

1266
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,290
believe that there was a question as to

1267
01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:38,560
whether Northland strong enough in fact

1268
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:41,520
the Supreme Court did not find

1269
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Leona's secessionism 1869

1270
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,320
so the victors decided it wasn't not

1271
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,380
treason and we can't come along 150

1272
01:18:50,380 --> 01:18:52,750
years later in deciding laws no double

1273
01:18:52,750 --> 01:18:55,240
jeopardy Jessica that's after World War

1274
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,310
two when the Allies decided it was why

1275
01:18:57,310 --> 01:19:00,190
isn't University with a seek revenge the

1276
01:19:00,190 --> 01:19:01,360
business would bring the country back

1277
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:02,830
together

1278
01:19:02,830 --> 01:19:04,870
steam proved by the Union victors

1279
01:19:04,870 --> 01:19:07,300
granted full rights and allow these

1280
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:09,490
seminars that right under the dead that

1281
01:19:09,490 --> 01:19:12,280
in federal army means they even dream up

1282
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:14,950
fanciful justifications who war was not

1283
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:17,020
considered a threat the Union the North

1284
01:19:17,020 --> 01:19:20,800
won the South gathering there's the same

1285
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,700
amount of energy extended to try the

1286
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:26,980
tides the worn-out the slavery the logic

1287
01:19:26,980 --> 01:19:28,840
seems to be that it's likely this

1288
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,600
possible war therefore every single soul

1289
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,760
who caught up in the war was fighting

1290
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,100
for slavery and by extension every

1291
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:38,710
memorial to those dead southern soldiers

1292
01:19:38,710 --> 01:19:41,800
as a monument to slavery itself this is

1293
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,020
a logical fallacy does not stand up to

1294
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:46,570
any test as I mentioned elsewhere the

1295
01:19:46,570 --> 01:19:48,760
Southern cause before development

1296
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,250
slightly the northern reason for

1297
01:19:51,250 --> 01:19:55,000
fighting the soul to preserve the other

1298
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,000
ideas presented as about the coincidence

1299
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,010
of the monument growing up to a period

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01:20:00,010 --> 01:20:02,140
encouraging racist activity the Jim Crow

1301
01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:02,929
period

1302
01:20:02,929 --> 01:20:05,929
and this supposed to Jim Crow pen - is

1303
01:20:05,929 --> 01:20:07,999
focusing by paying for two reasons one

1304
01:20:07,999 --> 01:20:11,209
because in almost every case I've found

1305
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:13,669
war memorials with about forty to sixty

1306
01:20:13,669 --> 01:20:16,519
years after the war coinciding with the

1307
01:20:16,519 --> 01:20:19,249
aging and burn centers the desire their

1308
01:20:19,249 --> 01:20:21,709
children to summon Pappy Gatto leader

1309
01:20:21,709 --> 01:20:24,829
died that second notice that respond to

1310
01:20:24,829 --> 01:20:28,820
this point if every one of the 719 Civil

1311
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:30,860
War monuments in the south as a monument

1312
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:33,649
to racism and white supremacy and what

1313
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:36,019
are the 2500 the morning spread to the

1314
01:20:36,019 --> 01:20:38,479
north examine the same time is certainly

1315
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,050
weren't a civil rights and one of us a

1316
01:20:41,050 --> 01:20:45,530
fast forward in 2018 and it's horrific

1317
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:47,840
racist incidents incidents which has

1318
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,449
shocked the nation some but not all of

1319
01:20:50,449 --> 01:20:52,909
the appropriate bus sociopaths waiting

1320
01:20:52,909 --> 01:20:55,519
faked Confederate flags these are not

1321
01:20:55,519 --> 01:20:57,709
real Confederates they were angry crazy

1322
01:20:57,709 --> 01:21:00,530
people unfortunately as a result and

1323
01:21:00,530 --> 01:21:02,659
some people are projecting their healthy

1324
01:21:02,659 --> 01:21:04,610
hatred appraises onto this block as

1325
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:06,499
stunned as if it were talisman of evil

1326
01:21:06,499 --> 01:21:09,489
and giving an italian never really had

1327
01:21:09,489 --> 01:21:12,679
the smacks of revenge because some

1328
01:21:12,679 --> 01:21:14,989
businesses like Confederate symbols

1329
01:21:14,989 --> 01:21:16,939
therefore will show their better living

1330
01:21:16,939 --> 01:21:19,820
all the criticism the sentiment behind

1331
01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:23,360
our campaign are actually doing

1332
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,939
something about our own pub it's not so

1333
01:21:25,939 --> 01:21:27,840
simple

1334
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,030
people rightly feel impotent they just

1335
01:21:30,030 --> 01:21:32,070
want this something to stand up to face

1336
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:34,350
this threat to participate rather than

1337
01:21:34,350 --> 01:21:36,030
sit on their hands and do nothing

1338
01:21:36,030 --> 01:21:38,400
I completely understand this there are

1339
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,740
battles to be fought but this is the

1340
01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:44,370
wrong one and then it didn't benefit of

1341
01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:47,040
this however has been a cause of real

1342
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:51,150
national conversation about race this is

1343
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:53,460
the discretion that is that needs to

1344
01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:55,440
happen right in my opinion it will

1345
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,140
always need to happen and what can we do

1346
01:21:58,140 --> 01:21:58,890
about it

1347
01:21:58,890 --> 01:22:02,730
I favor keeping in mind the word is beef

1348
01:22:02,730 --> 01:22:05,370
up the explanatory plan and use it as a

1349
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:08,280
focal point for a lesson about history

1350
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,980
that it's not just another sanitized

1351
01:22:10,980 --> 01:22:14,010
supper Dallas it's a real terrible real

1352
01:22:14,010 --> 01:22:16,470
history and some of that history was not

1353
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:19,560
so trusted I absolutely think we could

1354
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,540
face the savory aspects of our history

1355
01:22:21,540 --> 01:22:24,300
as ponies we do the prostate ones hold

1356
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:26,520
up the mayor of truth but this was

1357
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,640
really us but we're trying to do better

1358
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,750
this is why I propose the

1359
01:22:30,750 --> 01:22:33,270
african-american historical archive so

1360
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:35,580
all citizens see what really happened

1361
01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:36,000
here

1362
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,220
I believe it by creating an archive of

1363
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:40,530
content of course by interpretive

1364
01:22:40,530 --> 01:22:42,780
exhibits we say something about

1365
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:45,150
ourselves upon our commitment to the

1366
01:22:45,150 --> 01:22:47,220
truth and our willingness to face it

1367
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:49,650
this is something was a lecturer than

1368
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:52,350
lead on this could have a real benefit

1369
01:22:52,350 --> 01:22:54,030
to historians and anyone interested in

1370
01:22:54,030 --> 01:22:56,670
race relations if done properly have a

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01:22:56,670 --> 01:22:58,680
real and lasting effect and go a long

1372
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:01,200
way to promoting understanding between

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,950
the races southern proposed having also

1374
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:15,970
memorial on the squares account

1375
01:23:15,980 --> 01:23:24,800
[Music]

1376
01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:47,050
our history some of us are old and we

1377
01:23:47,050 --> 01:23:50,410
need to brush our hair powder our nose

1378
01:23:50,410 --> 01:23:52,000
so we're going to take a five-minute

1379
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,320
break be back in 10 minutes ladies and

1380
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,560
gentlemen as we stand right now we have

1381
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,550
11 who have voted to leave the statue is

1382
01:24:03,550 --> 01:24:06,730
here with context we have four who voted

1383
01:24:06,730 --> 01:24:11,830
to remove so I'll ask the question is

1384
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:14,500
that indicative enough of a consensus or

1385
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:17,560
do we need to try again to get a a few

1386
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:32,750
to come to the other side okay

1387
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:49,320
amazing

1388
01:24:49,330 --> 01:24:53,500
I think we need to discuss terms topics

1389
01:24:53,500 --> 01:24:57,190
in matter the temperatures

1390
01:24:57,190 --> 01:24:59,800
I mean terms under which the total gets

1391
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,700
to accept recommendation or we want to

1392
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:07,930
bring people together don't equate some

1393
01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:11,320
worldly absolutely adequate to just

1394
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:16,300
ignore some realistic service and favor

1395
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:20,040
others and I know that let's talk about

1396
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,870
with the discussion of context was meant

1397
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:24,870
to he's meant to bring people together

1398
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:27,670
but there's a there's a historical error

1399
01:25:27,670 --> 01:25:31,890
risk of repeating a hundred years ago

1400
01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:34,780
really the original sentence that we're

1401
01:25:34,780 --> 01:25:37,990
living through today the cinema hundred

1402
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:53,140
years ago was not to seek consensus

1403
01:25:53,150 --> 01:25:58,000
[Music]

1404
01:25:58,010 --> 01:26:01,950
feminist federalism blowing spot about

1405
01:26:01,950 --> 01:26:05,730
the implications of lionizing those but

1406
01:26:05,730 --> 01:26:08,400
important is defeat some people live

1407
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,810
right around the corner would still been

1408
01:26:09,810 --> 01:26:14,670
enslaved so I suggest that in the terms

1409
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:17,730
of our recommendation we should include

1410
01:26:17,730 --> 01:26:23,870
a concerted effort to seek input and

1411
01:26:23,870 --> 01:26:28,020
consent from a number of constituencies

1412
01:26:28,020 --> 01:26:30,390
we heard people give us their initial

1413
01:26:30,390 --> 01:26:32,130
feelings about what should happen but

1414
01:26:32,130 --> 01:26:33,270
they should have an opportunity to

1415
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:34,140
respond

1416
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:37,080
not just to accept but to respond and to

1417
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:41,250
consent if in fact the telling of this

1418
01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:44,070
full history is it's of a sufficiently

1419
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:47,850
great benefit that it overcomes the

1420
01:26:47,850 --> 01:26:50,190
negatives of a public message saying

1421
01:26:50,190 --> 01:26:53,940
some people are less than let the let

1422
01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:56,220
the descendants of enslaved people say

1423
01:26:56,220 --> 01:26:59,280
so and make an umbrella and what the

1424
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,230
descendants of veteran say so and maybe

1425
01:27:01,230 --> 01:27:04,890
they will and as far as tactics I think

1426
01:27:04,890 --> 01:27:06,650
we should just we should agree on what

1427
01:27:06,650 --> 01:27:08,790
needs to be covered in a

1428
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:12,760
contextualisation

1429
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:16,140
I think John you gave a good start and I

1430
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:19,440
would say broadly if we're going to tell

1431
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,390
the whole truth and we should tell about

1432
01:27:21,390 --> 01:27:24,120
the truth of slavery in Denton County we

1433
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:25,560
should tell about the truth of the

1434
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,740
experience of the Civil War here paper

1435
01:27:28,740 --> 01:27:31,230
town about segregation and about

1436
01:27:31,230 --> 01:27:32,340
desegregation

1437
01:27:32,340 --> 01:27:34,650
broadly most of the topics that I think

1438
01:27:34,650 --> 01:27:39,150
are essential and then lastly if we can

1439
01:27:39,150 --> 01:27:41,430
agree on the matter of contextualization

1440
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:42,840
we've talked about this a little bit in

1441
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,790
committee you've had a very big visual

1442
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:47,940
symbol in a visual culture and then

1443
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:50,670
adding a bunch of text is you know only

1444
01:27:50,670 --> 01:27:53,220
for those who want to stop and bother to

1445
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:55,470
read it which is you know let's face it

1446
01:27:55,470 --> 01:27:57,060
this is a public square we're back and

1447
01:27:57,060 --> 01:27:59,100
forth to bars and restaurants and you

1448
01:27:59,100 --> 01:28:00,110
know whatever

1449
01:28:00,110 --> 01:28:05,100
visual impact this full story than we

1450
01:28:05,100 --> 01:28:07,980
need a visual manner of telling it I

1451
01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:11,040
would offer those areas terms topic to

1452
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:31,860
matter as a way to reach consensus and

1453
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:34,430
one of the professor's he spoke with us

1454
01:28:34,430 --> 01:28:38,700
said this statute has not power unless

1455
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:42,870
we give it power it can contextually

1456
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:47,040
mean as I said before what Maya Angelou

1457
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,790
said and still we rise we can have

1458
01:28:50,790 --> 01:28:53,250
conversations with students and children

1459
01:28:53,250 --> 01:28:57,480
and editors and said people a race of

1460
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:01,140
people or subjugated can you believe

1461
01:29:01,140 --> 01:29:04,770
never make it we've almost totally wiped

1462
01:29:04,770 --> 01:29:08,820
out the native americans but still buddy

1463
01:29:08,820 --> 01:29:11,250
rocks and ironically they're taking

1464
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:13,920
their money back to the casino Miss

1465
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,400
America but I think that this expands

1466
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:34,320
you with context and I want mark to to

1467
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:40,640
write things he said it was a final war

1468
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,540
brotherbrother when Lee and grant nine

1469
01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:49,110
sites had dinner together and we're

1470
01:29:49,110 --> 01:29:53,390
trying to cover it by current events and

1471
01:29:53,390 --> 01:29:55,170
the best

1472
01:29:55,170 --> 01:29:59,070
I love these works this statute can be a

1473
01:29:59,070 --> 01:30:02,150
letter of instruction from the past and

1474
01:30:02,150 --> 01:30:05,790
still would rise and just a side note it

1475
01:30:05,790 --> 01:30:08,280
is could nine of Americans did not vote

1476
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:12,120
until 1924 they even let women vote

1477
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,240
before they let Native American fight

1478
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,060
when we need to change the name of

1479
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:19,790
didn't because it's hurtful

1480
01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:23,580
well hasn't the Choctaw Indian and maybe

1481
01:30:23,580 --> 01:30:26,340
this is too informal but he said just

1482
01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:29,520
filled a box around the statue and say

1483
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,410
if you're brave enough to look at the

1484
01:30:31,410 --> 01:30:36,780
past open these doors maybe we can build

1485
01:30:36,780 --> 01:30:41,000
some accountability into it by having

1486
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,350
reports to Commissioner's Court

1487
01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:46,320
I commend our commissioners I commend

1488
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,440
our commissioners as leaders like an

1489
01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:49,770
eternity

1490
01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:53,170
the Office of history and culture

1491
01:30:53,170 --> 01:30:54,699
even the historical Commissioner doing

1492
01:30:54,699 --> 01:30:57,400
so many things for all peoples history

1493
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,350
but I can't keep up with it but maybe

1494
01:31:01,350 --> 01:31:04,420
quarterly yearly report on all the

1495
01:31:04,420 --> 01:31:05,980
things that are going on now humming

1496
01:31:05,980 --> 01:31:10,150
from the those two people but turn the

1497
01:31:10,150 --> 01:31:16,110
black Film Festival it can be a national

1498
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:17,640
[Music]

1499
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,880
financial impact something that that

1500
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,860
they bright enough to look at in the

1501
01:31:23,860 --> 01:31:27,520
past and a prominent plus may be joined

1502
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,280
with the Union soldier I don't know

1503
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:33,580
what if we can agree on once there but

1504
01:31:33,580 --> 01:31:36,070
if it's like Ronnie said in a kiosk with

1505
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:56,680
ever-changing like calling input

1506
01:31:56,690 --> 01:33:21,500
[Music]

1507
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:25,690
if there is a bummer for someone tough

1508
01:33:25,690 --> 01:33:28,750
you just deal with your problem we the

1509
01:33:28,750 --> 01:33:34,890
ruling class has spoken

1510
01:33:34,900 --> 01:34:28,340
[Music]

1511
01:34:28,350 --> 01:34:38,260
how is it that I should look at si si

1512
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:43,030
any other way they it depicts me and so

1513
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:45,910
you especially with the statements that

1514
01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:49,330
they make it was a session space stated

1515
01:34:49,330 --> 01:34:52,810
that the Negro is subhuman and that's

1516
01:34:52,810 --> 01:35:03,160
the CSA for the recession and there it's

1517
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:09,170
on the monument how am I meant to say

1518
01:35:09,170 --> 01:35:13,460
never in fact 1999 when I started this

1519
01:35:13,460 --> 01:35:16,150
that was the issue that I've already

1520
01:35:16,150 --> 01:35:19,820
turn the water back on and they have

1521
01:35:19,820 --> 01:35:22,640
invited me for the work that I suggest

1522
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:26,060
the other day was to say and one time

1523
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:27,980
only White's can drink from these

1524
01:35:27,980 --> 01:35:31,250
families now everyone can drink from the

1525
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:31,840
family

1526
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,240
that's not ever let this happen again

1527
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:37,310
please tell me how that's bad

1528
01:35:37,310 --> 01:35:39,950
how is that a bad thing so I need

1529
01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:42,170
someone to tell me when I just would

1530
01:35:42,170 --> 01:35:45,380
vote they can go ahead and in these

1531
01:35:45,380 --> 01:35:48,680
sessions look at the 11 for vote and let

1532
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:51,080
me go on and do what I need to do it's

1533
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:54,380
not bringing us together but inviting if

1534
01:35:54,380 --> 01:35:56,570
you explain to me how is that the

1535
01:35:56,570 --> 01:36:00,530
statute up there that says you say

1536
01:36:00,530 --> 01:36:02,660
whites only and less than their

1537
01:36:02,660 --> 01:36:04,670
agreement because they stopped working

1538
01:36:04,670 --> 01:36:08,080
and it was on there by Thome secondly

1539
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:13,210
CSA being placed there I'd like to see

1540
01:36:13,210 --> 01:36:15,920
how in the world you can explain to me

1541
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:20,680
that that's not racist precision

1542
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:24,100
method of operating head thing and they

1543
01:36:24,100 --> 01:36:26,730
don't

1544
01:36:26,730 --> 01:36:29,939
[Music]

1545
01:36:29,949 --> 01:36:45,909
a couple things John my count is in the

1546
01:36:45,909 --> 01:36:49,189
Bible

1547
01:36:49,199 --> 01:37:18,369
my count is into fire so then pose the

1548
01:37:18,369 --> 01:37:20,860
question of whether or not there

1549
01:37:20,860 --> 01:37:27,209
constitutes a consensus and I think by

1550
01:37:27,209 --> 01:37:29,800
practical accountability apartment in

1551
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,719
Venice I mean that's a supermajority in

1552
01:37:31,719 --> 01:37:35,860
the Senate but I think that the the

1553
01:37:35,860 --> 01:37:38,409
notion of the other consensus is an

1554
01:37:38,409 --> 01:37:40,630
artificial construct that the

1555
01:37:40,630 --> 01:37:42,670
commissioners in I don't see anything

1556
01:37:42,670 --> 01:37:47,860
wrong with their being being the split

1557
01:37:47,860 --> 01:37:49,480
vote I don't think

1558
01:37:49,480 --> 01:37:53,170
even Italy on this and I certainly think

1559
01:37:53,170 --> 01:37:59,200
the peers it's acceptable to to give

1560
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,170
them two opinions of as to what ought to

1561
01:38:02,170 --> 01:39:16,550
be done

1562
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:25,390
and they said no we're not going to

1563
01:39:25,390 --> 01:39:32,950
leave them there so what it was is where

1564
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:34,840
we're going now

1565
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:41,710
and I think but I started on this

1566
01:39:41,710 --> 01:39:59,050
committee

1567
01:39:59,060 --> 01:40:19,100
a meeting with one of the Commission

1568
01:40:19,110 --> 01:40:26,470
I resemble that so here's the statute

1569
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:28,810
out front and that was the

1570
01:40:28,810 --> 01:40:30,520
recommendation are these in the

1571
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,820
discussion very large plaque be put

1572
01:40:33,820 --> 01:40:49,610
underneath here explaining why si si

1573
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:54,520
Confederate principles are no longer

1574
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,850
applicable in this community very large

1575
01:40:57,850 --> 01:41:03,660
plaque here and on either side place a

1576
01:41:03,660 --> 01:41:13,960
television with a very large speaker to

1577
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:19,830
provide audio-visual and include

1578
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:23,080
conversations about the errors of the

1579
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:29,830
past to include conversation about the

1580
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:34,450
racial progress that has gone on in this

1581
01:41:34,450 --> 01:41:37,980
community and also to talk about a

1582
01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:41,610
redefining our rebranding

1583
01:41:41,610 --> 01:41:47,650
so with this kind of context the next

1584
01:41:47,650 --> 01:41:51,460
controversy comes who decides what's

1585
01:41:51,460 --> 01:41:55,180
going to be written here and then what

1586
01:41:55,180 --> 01:41:57,090
is enough for everybody

1587
01:41:57,090 --> 01:42:02,110
we've already got 10 to 5 so when it

1588
01:42:02,110 --> 01:42:04,600
comes time to write the script with two

1589
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:10,630
attorneys and on the wannabes how are we

1590
01:42:10,630 --> 01:42:13,030
going to come to a consensus on what

1591
01:42:13,030 --> 01:42:14,950
gets you but we can come to a consensus

1592
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:18,010
but once again it's not up to us this is

1593
01:42:18,010 --> 01:42:20,350
our recommendation to the commissioners

1594
01:42:20,350 --> 01:42:23,980
and then the hot potater is on their

1595
01:42:23,980 --> 01:42:27,970
plate to take our recommendations and

1596
01:42:27,970 --> 01:42:31,210
you just say ladies and gentlemen we are

1597
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:35,770
going to funnel them vigorously or where

1598
01:42:35,770 --> 01:42:37,900
you'll do what we want to do in spite of

1599
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:40,840
all the work you've done so we have to

1600
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,330
do our job and place the potato with the

1601
01:42:43,330 --> 01:42:46,540
commissioners so my question then is at

1602
01:42:46,540 --> 01:42:51,780
our 10:00 to 5:00 could such a vehicle

1603
01:42:51,780 --> 01:42:54,610
satisfy the five and leaving it there

1604
01:42:54,610 --> 01:42:58,300
let's go to the five you tell if we had

1605
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:01,510
enough content a large flag here where

1606
01:43:01,510 --> 01:43:03,000
nobody can walk through there every

1607
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,530
photograph that's taken of the statue

1608
01:43:05,530 --> 01:43:20,649
has this conversation no more

1609
01:43:20,659 --> 01:43:30,750
Thank You Councilwoman and then having a

1610
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:34,100
committee to come up with the

1611
01:43:34,100 --> 01:43:36,260
conversations that would go on on the

1612
01:43:36,260 --> 01:43:40,909
audiovisuals on the kiosk never here so

1613
01:43:40,909 --> 01:43:46,699
I ask those of us that of the five would

1614
01:43:46,699 --> 01:43:49,250
that be sufficient contacts you want to

1615
01:43:49,250 --> 01:43:54,110
go first I'm not sure well I think that

1616
01:43:54,110 --> 01:43:57,050
I have no problem that but I would ask

1617
01:43:57,050 --> 01:44:00,679
you a set of all 15 of us because some

1618
01:44:00,679 --> 01:44:03,949
of those who voted basically believe

1619
01:44:03,949 --> 01:44:06,230
where it is use that some group might

1620
01:44:06,230 --> 01:44:10,909
not like that okay and so I think hi I

1621
01:44:10,909 --> 01:44:17,989
feel I'm just talk to you Coleman last

1622
01:44:17,989 --> 01:44:27,530
Friday my feeling that I god is dead

1623
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:33,980
unless we are at 12 to 3 and you may or

1624
01:44:33,980 --> 01:44:36,320
may not want to answer this lesson my

1625
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,330
buck was buying these 12 to 3 then our

1626
01:44:40,330 --> 01:44:43,880
recommendation recommendation of

1627
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,730
recommendations would not be seriously

1628
01:44:46,730 --> 01:44:49,580
considered and very well my lord well

1629
01:44:49,580 --> 01:44:50,870
let's start with a 5 and then we'll go

1630
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:55,570
to the other - okay alfrid I guess

1631
01:44:55,570 --> 01:44:58,730
education has been my pick I mean that

1632
01:44:58,730 --> 01:45:01,340
one I believe in education I think

1633
01:45:01,340 --> 01:45:03,320
that's the way the statutes that stands

1634
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,739
now it doesn't nothing not does nothing

1635
01:45:06,739 --> 01:45:10,820
for educating us on the Civil War or by

1636
01:45:10,820 --> 01:45:12,270
that statute

1637
01:45:12,270 --> 01:45:13,980
so any kind of and one of the things

1638
01:45:13,980 --> 01:45:16,890
that my concern is that the context

1639
01:45:16,890 --> 01:45:19,950
would not overwhelm the stack statute

1640
01:45:19,950 --> 01:45:21,300
that's one of the things one of the

1641
01:45:21,300 --> 01:45:22,560
ladies that came and talked to us about

1642
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,960
the statue she says if you have a statue

1643
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,470
you can't overwhelm it with context

1644
01:45:27,470 --> 01:45:30,720
because then you know otherwise it takes

1645
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:33,000
away from the statue so what you want to

1646
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,810
do is is basically make sure that what

1647
01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:38,850
you have there I really like this idea I

1648
01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:42,830
mean if we are forced to keep it there

1649
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:45,090
education make sure that the information

1650
01:45:45,090 --> 01:45:49,440
is put there is correct and not continue

1651
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:56,850
them some of these myths that we you

1652
01:45:56,850 --> 01:47:11,790
know we need to

1653
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:16,900
I mentioned terms topics and manner

1654
01:47:16,900 --> 01:47:20,920
this is manner I'm fine at the man

1655
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,869
I think there's absolutely no reason

1656
01:47:22,869 --> 01:47:25,179
whatsoever that we need to shrink from

1657
01:47:25,179 --> 01:47:29,979
the very simple task of identifying the

1658
01:47:29,979 --> 01:47:32,499
topics because boy is the devil in

1659
01:47:32,499 --> 01:47:35,499
details on that I think that could be

1660
01:47:35,499 --> 01:47:37,989
just about anything so we should

1661
01:47:37,989 --> 01:47:40,389
disagree should not shrink for defining

1662
01:47:40,389 --> 01:47:42,670
the topics that would constitute

1663
01:47:42,670 --> 01:47:45,639
adequate contextualisation and I have

1664
01:47:45,639 --> 01:47:48,579
not yet heard anyone respond to my call

1665
01:47:48,579 --> 01:47:52,989
on terms and if you feel that when our

1666
01:47:52,989 --> 01:47:55,690
brothers and sisters have said your blue

1667
01:47:55,690 --> 01:47:57,820
design might neck please remove it if

1668
01:47:57,820 --> 01:47:59,679
you really feel you do not have any

1669
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:03,099
obligation to respond and ask for their

1670
01:48:03,099 --> 01:48:15,550
consent say so you know one thing

1671
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:17,880
now let's talk about topics in

1672
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:26,410
tournaments star what's gonna be on it

1673
01:48:26,420 --> 01:48:29,460
replace it you get to go from two to

1674
01:48:29,460 --> 01:48:30,720
five and then we're going to go to the

1675
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:36,480
others to get any but if I'm gonna

1676
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:38,480
preach it I have to price

1677
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:40,440
so here I've been talking about

1678
01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:42,240
consensus and learning to come to the

1679
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,670
middle and walking other shoes and

1680
01:48:44,670 --> 01:48:51,270
settle to seven so I don't get my way do

1681
01:48:51,270 --> 01:48:53,370
a run away and say I'm not gonna play

1682
01:48:53,370 --> 01:48:57,340
anymore

1683
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:59,270
[Music]

1684
01:48:59,270 --> 01:49:02,550
if I don't get my way am I going to work

1685
01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:05,820
to come a little closer to others and

1686
01:49:05,820 --> 01:49:08,430
learn to live with some things if I

1687
01:49:08,430 --> 01:49:10,320
don't have everything exactly the way I

1688
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:11,090
want

1689
01:49:11,090 --> 01:49:13,680
I'm going to come a little closer and

1690
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,470
I'm learning to live but if it's too far

1691
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:18,480
the chasm is too wide it can't do that

1692
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,760
okay so that's why I say the

1693
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:23,970
conversation is and what the details

1694
01:49:23,970 --> 01:49:25,980
aren't here what is the conversation

1695
01:49:25,980 --> 01:49:31,050
here and then who does the the editing

1696
01:49:31,050 --> 01:49:34,650
the creation the design of the audio

1697
01:49:34,650 --> 01:49:37,530
visual with the context to me that's

1698
01:49:37,530 --> 01:49:42,180
where the that's where the challenge is so if we

1699
01:49:42,180 --> 01:49:43,980
got some of this I can live with that

1700
01:49:43,980 --> 01:49:45,240
you're next

1701
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:49,830
well I love the idea what what bolder

1702
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:51,440
statement would there be

1703
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:54,240
then she basically block the entrance

1704
01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,730
under the Confederate statue and saying

1705
01:49:56,730 --> 01:49:58,920
you can't enter here why can't you

1706
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:03,000
because context because blacks couldn't

1707
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:05,930
drink from these water fountains so I

1708
01:50:05,930 --> 01:50:08,520
love the boldness of getting people's

1709
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,110
attention they're gonna see it and go

1710
01:50:10,110 --> 01:50:11,550
what do you mean I can't walk through

1711
01:50:11,550 --> 01:50:15,660
there anymore we I don't think there's

1712
01:50:15,660 --> 01:50:19,230
such a challenge in the context because

1713
01:50:19,230 --> 01:50:21,990
I think there's more of a consensus

1714
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:26,050
there is no one here who says slavery

1715
01:50:26,050 --> 01:50:28,090
was good we all condemned it we all

1716
01:50:28,090 --> 01:50:30,370
condemned what our forefathers did I

1717
01:50:30,370 --> 01:50:33,730
think that's our consensus I mean and

1718
01:50:33,730 --> 01:50:36,310
you know Willie admitted that that he's

1719
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:38,320
guilty of judging people I mean you

1720
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,000
called us a racist because the color of

1721
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:44,050
my skin and and I am and I hear you okay

1722
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:48,300
I think that that our consensus though

1723
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:53,800
is that the context there will bring

1724
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:58,180
people together and I don't want to see

1725
01:50:58,180 --> 01:51:04,000
this as a political argument for some of

1726
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:07,210
us who may be running for office I do

1727
01:51:07,210 --> 01:51:14,290
not want to see chaos coming this and if and if Willie and I have to hold

1728
01:51:14,290 --> 01:51:15,820
hands on the courthouse square or not

1729
01:51:15,820 --> 01:51:19,570
I'll do that to avoid the chaos or

1730
01:51:19,570 --> 01:51:22,030
political arguments coming out of this I

1731
01:51:22,030 --> 01:51:24,810
think we also have to be cognizant of

1732
01:51:24,810 --> 01:51:28,390
what you guys hit on if we go to the

1733
01:51:28,390 --> 01:51:33,250
Commissioner's Court with an opinion

1734
01:51:33,250 --> 01:51:37,180
that they cannot accept whether that be

1735
01:51:37,180 --> 01:51:39,820
for financial reasons or political

1736
01:51:39,820 --> 01:51:42,400
reasons or whatever we will have wasted

1737
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,610
all of our time and I don't know how

1738
01:51:45,610 --> 01:51:47,560
many hours combined we have spent on

1739
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,930
this the last thing I want to see happen

1740
01:51:49,930 --> 01:51:51,700
like Willie is for us to be sitting here

1741
01:51:51,700 --> 01:51:53,230
10 years from now having this argument

1742
01:51:53,230 --> 01:51:55,570
again we've got to do something bold

1743
01:51:55,570 --> 01:52:08,480
enough that puts the argument to rest

1744
01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:15,979
[Music]

1745
01:52:15,989 --> 01:52:19,079
suppression of any time where all the

1746
01:52:19,079 --> 01:52:22,619
one where the Brotherhood of baking time

1747
01:52:22,619 --> 01:52:29,340
and if we suppress any woman as wasn't

1748
01:52:29,340 --> 01:52:33,780
human at night so hope you got to

1749
01:52:33,780 --> 01:52:35,519
strategize each other

1750
01:52:35,519 --> 01:52:39,690
barrows painful in the past and once my

1751
01:52:39,690 --> 01:52:42,710
true that there's a common point that

1752
01:52:42,710 --> 01:52:44,730
shows how far we've come

1753
01:52:44,730 --> 01:52:48,329
this citizenship amendments to the

1754
01:52:48,329 --> 01:52:50,610
United States Constitution

1755
01:52:50,610 --> 01:52:53,460
just the house I can't say anything

1756
01:52:53,460 --> 01:52:58,309
worse though I walked with the Secession

1757
01:52:58,309 --> 01:53:01,199
Dartmouth of the sufficient whatever

1758
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:08,300
there was it was abominable we've got a

1759
01:53:08,300 --> 01:53:12,409
counterpoint anywhere don't we have I

1760
01:53:12,409 --> 01:53:17,760
think even one of us would destroy the

1761
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:21,749
statute if it would make crisis Ebola if

1762
01:53:21,749 --> 01:53:27,809
it would alibi this all southern but

1763
01:53:27,809 --> 01:53:29,579
someone might degrade point might be

1764
01:53:29,579 --> 01:53:33,199
that was started that I'm not sure

1765
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:38,369
it wouldn't turn to that so it has they

1766
01:53:38,369 --> 01:53:53,880
were thinking of us anyone else I don't

1767
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:57,030
like that I support that a hundred

1768
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:59,840
percent I think that's a great idea

1769
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:06,840
yes I move that the committee allow you

1770
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:09,449
to go before the commissioners court and

1771
01:54:09,449 --> 01:54:13,199
report the results of our deliberations

1772
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:17,929
and that becomes another topic we have

1773
01:54:17,929 --> 01:54:23,560
completed the task that was given to us

1774
01:54:23,570 --> 01:54:27,389
in my statement I said I would be in

1775
01:54:27,389 --> 01:54:37,530
favor of context yes I heard a second so

1776
01:54:37,530 --> 01:54:39,780
we've got a motion on the floor and a

1777
01:54:39,780 --> 01:54:42,239
second and me in the rules or we have

1778
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,250
discussion members and I believe by

1779
01:54:44,250 --> 01:54:45,810
Roberts rules I get to speak first

1780
01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:51,989
please thank you the other we've been

1781
01:54:51,989 --> 01:54:55,050
very diligent and we've come to the

1782
01:54:55,050 --> 01:54:56,940
conclusion that Commissioner's Court

1783
01:54:56,940 --> 01:55:00,719
asked us to punt a we're there we can go

1784
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:03,540
on and talk about what's going to go on

1785
01:55:03,540 --> 01:56:00,020
this contest

1786
01:56:00,030 --> 01:56:02,680
but we're not all we're saying is

1787
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:06,010
content as far as to do with something

1788
01:56:06,010 --> 01:56:09,280
like this we said yes but just to say

1789
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:12,400
context period not knowing what or how

1790
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:13,990
it's going to be done I'm not really in

1791
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:16,150
favor that's what scares me like you can

1792
01:56:16,150 --> 01:56:21,020
go over there and just put in a little

1793
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:24,730
yeah so all in favor of this design is

1794
01:56:24,730 --> 01:56:26,770
what we all like to offer a friendly

1795
01:56:26,770 --> 01:56:30,640
amendment friendly amendment that will

1796
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,820
go so far as to say that the context

1797
01:56:33,820 --> 01:56:38,760
should discuss slavery and segregation I

1798
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:42,520
will go so far as to say that the

1799
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:45,790
context should include what that

1800
01:56:45,790 --> 01:56:48,250
committee presents to the Commissioner's

1801
01:56:48,250 --> 01:56:51,110
Court with

1802
01:56:51,110 --> 01:56:53,360
whatever committee they have to put

1803
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:58,729
together the content content is just

1804
01:56:58,729 --> 01:57:00,550
before we call the question

1805
01:57:00,550 --> 01:57:08,809
okay all right so the process of Joe and

1806
01:57:08,809 --> 01:57:13,849
I finally see this is what you do the

1807
01:57:13,849 --> 01:57:16,789
consistency is you come to something

1808
01:57:16,789 --> 01:57:20,840
some greedy I want to just like afraid

1809
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:22,909
others we talked about a long time and

1810
01:57:22,909 --> 01:57:25,940
all will have something throw over there

1811
01:57:25,940 --> 01:57:32,780
were you what you want to be behind it

1812
01:57:32,780 --> 01:57:40,070
but if you like to be a part of the

1813
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:49,639
conversation okay we'll make sure that

1814
01:57:49,639 --> 01:57:52,219
when we go to commissioners as will say

1815
01:57:52,219 --> 01:57:54,289
that these people we're going to

1816
01:57:54,289 --> 01:57:56,329
recommend this and we these people have

1817
01:57:56,329 --> 01:57:57,979
agreed to be a part of the conversation

1818
01:57:57,979 --> 01:58:09,139
yes call that exhibit one way to call it

1819
01:58:09,139 --> 01:58:13,489
something but it works well let me get

1820
01:58:13,489 --> 01:58:15,440
there okay hold on one second - so we

1821
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:19,639
have a consent statute one we have a

1822
01:58:19,639 --> 01:58:23,860
very large context within the archway -

1823
01:58:23,860 --> 01:58:29,380
we have kiosks on either side three and

1824
01:58:29,380 --> 01:58:33,739
they will cover three topics the

1825
01:58:33,739 --> 01:58:38,539
veterans where they can be listed all

1826
01:58:38,539 --> 01:58:41,059
the veterans of didn't and their bands

1827
01:58:41,059 --> 01:58:43,519
right then we'll cover racial progress

1828
01:58:43,519 --> 01:58:46,829
and they will also cover the history

1829
01:58:46,829 --> 01:59:19,290
excuse me the future event okay okay I'm

1830
01:59:19,290 --> 01:59:21,929
okay with that okay now so we've got let

1831
01:59:21,929 --> 01:59:24,690
me read let me recap recap we got we got

1832
01:59:24,690 --> 01:59:26,550
a call this eventually mr. harrangue I'm

1833
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:29,880
coming you got it eventually okay Tim

1834
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:31,020
you have your hand up I don't wanna

1835
01:59:31,020 --> 01:59:34,230
leave yeah I think we all can see by

1836
01:59:34,230 --> 01:59:35,820
what you've drawn there is what many of

1837
01:59:35,820 --> 01:59:38,489
us have agreed to that we like is we

1838
01:59:38,489 --> 01:59:40,230
have to do something bold we're going to

1839
01:59:40,230 --> 01:59:42,000
do this we need to do something bold and

1840
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:45,360
so if we're going to use terms and

1841
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:46,710
things I think we need to put that in

1842
01:59:46,710 --> 01:59:49,199
whatever we decide to submit to the

1843
01:59:49,199 --> 01:59:52,199
commissioners that what they do adding

1844
01:59:52,199 --> 01:59:55,400
context needs to be pulled regard to

1845
01:59:55,400 --> 01:59:58,380
what put on there you know dr. Delaney

1846
01:59:58,380 --> 01:59:59,820
came and spoke with us and we've had

1847
01:59:59,820 --> 02:00:03,300
some really some great people give their

1848
02:00:03,300 --> 02:00:05,639
opinions I think once we find people

1849
02:00:05,639 --> 02:00:06,540
that are willing to be on the

1850
02:00:06,540 --> 02:00:09,929
committee's - for these things we're not

1851
02:00:09,929 --> 02:00:12,300
gonna have any trouble doing what we

1852
02:00:12,300 --> 02:00:14,940
need and so we tell people now I don't

1853
02:00:14,940 --> 02:00:16,559
think that you that you have to worry I

1854
02:00:16,559 --> 02:00:17,849
think it's pretty clear what we want

1855
02:00:17,849 --> 02:00:23,360
done and what's acceptable

1856
02:00:23,370 --> 02:00:42,729
[Music]

1857
02:00:42,739 --> 02:00:46,860
I'll be happy to get an artist rendering

1858
02:00:46,860 --> 02:00:51,440
and then get one two three four five

1859
02:00:51,440 --> 02:00:55,230
send it to all of you for your review

1860
02:00:55,230 --> 02:00:59,190
and approval or disapproval so that by

1861
02:00:59,190 --> 02:01:00,480
next Tuesday

1862
02:01:00,480 --> 02:01:02,480
we'll have something to present

1863
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,159
physically to the commissioners say this

1864
02:01:05,159 --> 02:01:08,579
is our recommendation yes okay and then

1865
02:01:08,579 --> 02:01:11,610
if that's okay with you all of us will

1866
02:01:11,610 --> 02:01:14,520
show up they can next Tuesday at the

1867
02:01:14,520 --> 02:01:18,270
Commissioner's Court and testament that

1868
02:01:18,270 --> 02:01:19,949
this is what we agreed to

1869
02:01:19,949 --> 02:01:22,800
so if you okay with that I promise you

1870
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,300
I'll give you a few more hours of my

1871
02:01:24,300 --> 02:01:27,329
work of my life do we still have your

1872
02:01:27,329 --> 02:01:29,040
pleasure you know you now serve on the

1873
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:43,559
committee I haven't set up a post to it

1874
02:01:43,559 --> 02:01:47,429
I'm asking for a little consideration to

1875
02:01:47,429 --> 02:01:49,500
you know reach out to make it a more

1876
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:51,420
well you know so it's not like a joint a

1877
02:01:51,420 --> 02:01:53,429
little more all hard so so all I ask is

1878
02:01:53,429 --> 02:01:55,260
that is that I don't think that's really

1879
02:01:55,260 --> 02:01:58,929
asking for very much it's not to say

1880
02:01:58,929 --> 02:02:02,809
yeah sentencer and that we will seek the

1881
02:02:02,809 --> 02:02:07,340
consent of the descendants of people as

1882
02:02:07,340 --> 02:02:09,800
most of evidence if you allow me to send

1883
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:13,099
out the suggestion that at all and that

1884
02:02:13,099 --> 02:02:16,459
you would include your wording so that I

1885
02:02:16,459 --> 02:02:18,469
can I can have that when I circulate to

1886
02:02:18,469 --> 02:02:21,169
everyone then we can agree on it or

1887
02:02:21,169 --> 02:02:24,050
disagree so that when we come to the

1888
02:02:24,050 --> 02:02:25,519
meeting next Tuesday we'll have a

1889
02:02:25,519 --> 02:02:40,880
recommendation we had K and then will

1890
02:02:40,890 --> 02:02:50,609
[Music]

1891
02:02:50,619 --> 02:03:12,870
appear to be on is there certain person

1892
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:17,960
okay so there's two pieces what is some

1893
02:03:17,960 --> 02:03:20,060
minimum statement of what must be

1894
02:03:20,060 --> 02:03:22,340
included I'm aware having spoken with

1895
02:03:22,340 --> 02:03:24,020
people with a said we have to put the

1896
02:03:24,020 --> 02:03:25,880
plaque it shouldn't just be some man

1897
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:28,250
every statement that everything is okay

1898
02:03:28,250 --> 02:03:30,380
we have to tell the truth well the truth

1899
02:03:30,380 --> 02:03:32,540
about what and I think the two main

1900
02:03:32,540 --> 02:03:37,969
things to be slavery and segregation so that one the second thing that you

1901
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hear we talk about is a little

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complicated sounding is this idea of

1903
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consent African American people

1904
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descendants of enslaved people who lived

1905
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around the corner were not considered or

1906
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consultant in the in the decision to put

1907
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the statuettes there in the public space

1908
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it was an exertion of extreme privilege

1909
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and we don't have to judge the past but

1910
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we don't have to live there either

1911
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and we have the opportunity today to be

1912
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considerate of the constituencies that

1913
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make up you know I think more than just

1914
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my voice to figure out how to do it but

1915
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you probably go back in the

1916
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recommendation probably go back to the

1917
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MLK Center you probably go to the to the

1918
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churches and seek consent from a broad

1919
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swath of that community and not subpoena

1920
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the errors of mystery to this degree

1921
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that we recommend this with the

1922
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inclusion of tellings of slavery and

1923
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segregation

1924
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recommendation that the final execution

1925
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you know of a statue extensive

1926
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consultation in favor of the visual

1927
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kiosks to talk about the three topics of

1928
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racial progress talk about our veterans

1929
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and then talk about our future and

1930
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within that Paul even have a

1931
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conversation about slavery it's all the

1932
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progress the whole thing may I reach

1933
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take my motion please my motion is that

1934
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the committee asks you to respond to the

1935
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Commissioner's Court that we have

1936
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completed the questions that they gave

1937
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us to answer and that we are

1938
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recommending that the memorial the

1939
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monuments think where it is and that

1940
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context be adding let's let's not make

1941
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this there's a lot of power in

1942
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simplicity and we need to keep this

1943
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simple

1944
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thank you

1945
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and we're still fighting it today a few

1946
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more minutes is not going to resolve the

1947
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issue I would like to think that we've

1948
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concluded with our responsibilities and

1949
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as I promised I will draft something and

1950
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submit it to all of you for your review

1951
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and either approval or disapproval I

1952
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look them your input into what needs to

1953
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be in this document so that once we were

1954
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concluded we can make a recommendation

1955
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in Commissioner's Court on Tuesday

1956
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morning and also ask that everyone that

1957
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can be there Tuesday morning for the

1958
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recommendation to the committee to the

1959
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commissioners it's at 9:00 a.m. on

1960
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Tuesday morning and I'll now entertain a

1961
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motion to so move those days thank you

1962
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very much