[0:02] [Music]
[0:29] so what we'd like to do is take a moment
[0:34] to remember those facts
[0:39] we'll just those
[0:54] now let's take some time to connect with
[0:56] those who present those that we
[0:58] represent
[1:12] now it'll take some time to connect with
[1:15] those
[1:17] our decisions will impact police
[1:19] attuning our recommendation and
[1:21] eventually the court's decision to
[1:26] consider
[1:42] thank you
[2:20] ladies and gentlemen could I ask that
[2:23] everyone turn your phone either on
[2:24] silent or turn it off we want to welcome
[2:30] everyone to what we had agreed to three
[2:34] months ago would be a meeting of
[2:38] conclusion where we try to find
[2:43] consensus in this very very difficult
[2:47] decision I want to thank all of the
[2:53] committee members for the time the
[2:55] effort and their extreme professionalism
[2:59] that they demonstrated throughout this
[3:01] process and what we'll do today is we're
[3:12] going to go around the room and we're
[3:14] going to give each one of the committee
[3:16] members will introduce themselves in
[3:19] just a moment and then we'll start we'll
[3:22] go around everyone will introduce
[3:23] themselves and tell which of the
[3:25] commissioners recommended them for this
[3:28] opportunity and then everyone will have
[3:32] seven minutes and our timekeeper let's
[3:35] hear for our timekeeper
[3:40] we'll keep us on time then after
[3:45] everyone has made a had an opportunity
[3:47] to present their recommendations we've
[3:49] got a we're supposed to have a tablet
[3:51] over here where we're going to tally and
[3:53] then if for some reason we don't all
[3:56] come to the same conclusion and we're
[3:59] going to work a little while to see what
[4:01] we can do to be a little flexible and
[4:03] make a recommendation of some consensus
[4:06] so yes sir thank you we'll start on this
[4:19] end with mister you want to introduce
[4:21] yourself
[5:09] is your microphone
[5:14] ditchin Ronen a appointed by
[5:17] commissioner Bobby Mitchell John Baines
[5:20] appointed by commissioner EADS and to
[5:34] our guests in the audience today we ask
[5:36] for decorum and the this is not an
[5:41] opportunity for your participation but
[5:43] simply your observation these folks the
[5:49] 15 of us my Cochrane who is in Italy
[5:52] will be sending his recommendation
[5:55] it'll be read into consideration just a
[6:02] little reminder here when we got started
[6:06] she would indulge me just a moment
[6:09] please
[6:13] this daunting task to find consensus
[6:18] that will last that 15 voices might be
[6:25] one this county i'm sandra changers what
[6:36] to do to find consensus that is true
[6:44] protect our future guard our past with a
[6:51] consensus that will last with our
[6:56] consensus that they are 15 voices for
[7:06] they are like lyrics June 15 ingredients
[7:15] that will take and a tasty consensus
[7:20] case to make mark money Mike K
[7:27] Judy fed Donna's her nose
[7:35] - hi Willie
[7:39] Charlotte Paul and John and Peggy that's
[7:45] our crew who recommend something too
[7:56] [Music]
[7:59] professors came and they professed and
[8:04] many citizens did a test to give their
[8:10] feelings or and or while committee
[8:16] members kept the score novice for weeks
[8:22] and offering brain tasty consensus take
[8:30] that thing I tasty check joy pie taste
[8:38] that's better
[8:39] tart and sweet
[8:44] [Music]
[8:52] who will be the first to give their
[8:56] offering
[9:01] I won't be first make someone else to be
[9:03] first Paul you will be first not make a
[9:13] speech today here finding ways there are
[9:16] matters of conscience here for me or you
[9:18] - I'm sure it'll get you strong
[9:23] consensus at least 12 votes
[9:25] my personal goal today is to see if we
[9:28] can come together the spirited period
[9:30] all voices from the public not just
[9:33] speak to us personally we have the
[9:35] commissioners felt that we can find
[9:37] common ground and citizen to be able to
[9:40] for example find that consensus on ways
[9:44] to accommodate each other's views
[9:47] consensus to it as a starting point we
[9:52] want to try to rally round with John has
[9:55] put forward that's easy for me to do
[9:58] John's brilliantly focused his concept
[10:01] on memorializing soldiers actually
[10:03] enhancing that aspect of what's on the
[10:05] square while offering a very appropriate
[10:08] context for specifically remembering
[10:10] fallen Confederates
[10:13] I think John's implicit message here is
[10:16] right that if you think back in the
[10:18] public comments that passions with those
[10:19] worried about losing the monument was
[10:22] less about the Confederacy and more
[10:24] about not beginning the sacrifices of
[10:26] soldiers generally and that assists
[10:27] organizing premise it also of course
[10:29] Achilles most recent images that said it
[10:33] is less of a public history lesson than
[10:35] some other approaches we've heard but it
[10:38] is balanced and since if I could support
[10:40] it we would probably need to think
[10:43] through the relationship between what he
[10:45] has proposed and the colonel Horse
[10:46] Memorial I think we can tackle that
[10:48] always other concerns as needed
[10:55] thank you Paul are you ready sure now
[11:06] you want to talk to us Charlotte you're
[11:08] talking to us they're just listeners
[11:11] okay
[11:19] [Music]
[11:22] we can be in his country and had
[11:26] differences because the past matters
[11:31] it's medicine we are done I've ever
[11:35] believed in me and better itself
[11:39] I had cheek was from dr. Martin Luther
[11:42] King that war
[11:47] I'm sure South Park's well collectively
[11:52] Burger King's wisdom should not be
[11:54] forgot one of our speakers named dr.
[11:58] King for where we are today and the
[12:03] darkness from dr. King's strength to
[12:06] what speech in 1963 darkness cannot
[12:09] drive out darkness
[12:11] there
[12:16] that's what I want the statue of a
[12:18] physical place for the countenance with
[12:20] this view
[12:40] [Music]
[12:48] our
[13:01] Thank You Charlotte can you can't give
[13:08] them Freddy microphone thank you I think
[13:18] Commissioner here : for my appointment
[13:21] to this committee it has been hoarding
[13:24] an interesting experience and I think
[13:26] each of the committee members for that
[13:28] awesome special thanks of appreciation
[13:31] to take your ribbon or all she has done
[13:34] to help us into John Banks our Chairman
[13:37] has done an honorable job it has been my
[13:41] pleasure to make that with the
[13:43] acquaintance of each of you and I wish
[13:45] you all the very best in the future
[14:02] there is no doubt this memorial was
[14:06] dedicated to our southern Confederate
[14:09] soldiers the words on the heart to read
[14:13] Confederate soldiers the inscription on
[14:17] the right panel reads in the world their
[14:21] names graves when the morning columns
[14:24] are a song we heard more into the future
[14:27] and their examples reach a hand through
[14:30] the years to meet Kendall generous
[14:33] purpose and moment
[14:36] that's as pure as their back number to
[14:40] Civil War soldiers our United States
[14:44] village u.s. code public law 85 - 425
[14:49] breach that the veterans benefit at 1957
[14:55] public law 85 - 56 is amending section
[15:03] 343 7 432 is emitted by adding to the
[15:08] end thereof the following news
[15:10] subsection II for the purpose of this
[15:14] section in section 433 that term veteran
[15:18] includes a person who served in the
[15:21] military and number nine immediately
[15:25] above section 411 in search of following
[15:29] Confederate or seasoned veterans by law
[15:34] and veteran soldiers are American
[15:38] veterans and are due honor and respect
[15:41] for results back number three members of
[15:46] the United States Armed Forces are our
[15:48] Brotherhood we are taught that we never
[15:51] leave our wounded or dead behind and to
[15:55] ever honor their sacrifice this includes
[16:00] removing a memorial to honor honor to
[16:04] those soldiers who fought in the Civil
[16:06] War President John F Kennedy a Navy
[16:11] veteran emphasized this and the
[16:14] following quote a nation reveals itself
[16:17] not only by the minute produces but also
[16:21] whether man had honor to remove this
[16:24] memorial is to dishonor official US
[16:28] veterans my decision is to leave it
[16:31] where it is
[16:32] appropriate non-cash thank you thank you
[16:38] Fred would you give Donna a microphone
[16:43] please
[16:52] okay I come from a long line of veterans
[16:57] and each of us come to this committee
[17:03] with a different past history family
[17:07] history and we're just people we've
[17:11] written problematic students have said
[17:15] seek first to understand the men be
[17:17] understood so to be understood we have
[17:22] to listen to others and here to check
[17:24] each of our perspectives
[17:26] my great-grandfather relative veteran
[17:29] Army in Georgia he was 22 years old my
[17:33] first great-grandfather that's pretty
[17:34] close that was April 16 1961 in 1894 in
[17:44] Minden Cook County step forward 53 years later and not to 14 shortly
[17:51] before the monuments
[17:54] - 75 years old and he applied for his
[17:57] better attention he did that division
[18:00] student long for people
[18:08] Jeff Ward another hundred years
[18:10] here we are dead my mother-in-law was
[18:13] one Marez
[18:14] a big Hispanic family my god bad news
[18:18] are what happened with an American one
[18:22] horde of Hispanic 1/4 Caucasian
[18:27] I've got a perspective on this I think
[18:30] from all directions learned a lot there
[18:34] this enormous per game and I
[18:37] flip-flopped my opinion more than once
[18:43] based on the understanding based on the
[18:46] history that this fit is wrought based
[18:47] on the perspectives of the committee
[18:50] members with historians that have come
[18:51] to talk to us I came on to this
[18:56] committee thinking the statue had to
[18:58] death I changed my opinion about that I
[19:01] think it's irresponsible for us to move
[19:03] the statute at this point I think it's a
[19:06] irresponsible for us to lose counting
[19:08] guns and then we've been asked not to
[19:10] think about dollars but we can't operate
[19:13] a vacuum
[19:14] we've got to make a recommendation
[19:18] commissioners report that they can adopt
[19:21] isn't conscious and then we know that we
[19:23] can fund in some way I think we need to
[19:28] add context to the memorial as it stands
[19:32] I think we need to be very strong in
[19:35] that context and we need to convince
[19:37] libraries and we need to bend in
[19:39] anything that makes any of our children
[19:42] our children's children feel like less
[19:44] of a person I don't think that you can
[19:48] get with so much I think that we should
[19:51] attract something not only other side of
[19:53] the square that's the next to the
[19:54] memorial where it's going to be seen and
[19:57] not just passed by it maybe on each side
[20:00] of the trail to pay tribute to those
[20:02] that stood up for the rights that allow
[20:06] every person man woman and child jump
[20:09] properly devote to eat and drink
[20:13] wherever they want wherever they please
[20:15] I think we can do this and come to a
[20:21] consensus that and I would get behind
[20:24] or any privately elected memorial to
[20:30] civil rights
[20:32] I loved Lily's idea a veteran memorial
[20:36] but I don't think we should utilize
[20:38] county funds or private funds to move
[20:40] the statue I think that's an
[20:41] irresponsible in on our part so that's
[20:44] my recommendation Thank You Donna
[20:47] shinobi can you bring the microphone a
[20:58] little closer to you yes much better
[21:05] Thank You commissioner who asked you to
[21:11] be on this committee that was a bit
[21:13] doesn't at first when I realized the
[21:15] importance of lasting impact
[21:17] participating they had an opportunity I
[21:19] came into this with an open mind and
[21:22] willingness to see and understand other
[21:24] perspectives
[21:31] give me confidence I felt
[21:34] navigate thorough information and be
[21:36] given when the published author and
[21:40] southern historian mr. Campbell spilled
[21:42] about moments from up concerns about
[21:44] monuments the statutes in the South he's
[21:47] thought of how they erected an honors
[21:49] military leaders and to memorialize the
[21:51] lost soldiers
[21:52] unlike Civil War monuments in the north
[21:54] which were not notes about individual
[21:56] such as parking awards but of the war
[21:59] itself he favored the competitive soviet
[22:02] monument to state in its place and one
[22:05] more context dr. Martin Delany professor
[22:10] of African American history ETA with a
[22:12] special interest in cuddly the storica
[22:15] monument spoke about the monuments
[22:17] retired to wipers supremacy racism he
[22:21] favored the monument be new to the
[22:23] museum with the more historical context
[22:25] and as to Mrs Smith's impassioned
[22:31] presentation which left a mark on me it
[22:34] was about what Rayson feels like and how
[22:36] the monument is a reminder of how racism
[22:39] in the past and today is she was in
[22:43] favor of money
[22:45] persimmons were echoed by some of the
[22:47] citizens at public organs I meant to
[22:52] give about twenty years ago I really
[22:54] don't remember my reaction the first
[22:56] time I saw a monument and later when I
[23:00] had some Zetas are racist objects others
[23:27] an important part of ancestry racism in
[23:30] Memphis move to another location we're
[23:33] not as many people will see it and learn
[23:35] its lesson we are very arrogant impose
[23:38] our values of today and place them on
[23:40] the past we are fine and what is right
[23:43] and wrong changes with time ng w bush's
[23:47] opening dedication to the National
[23:49] Museum of african-american history and
[23:51] culture the great nation is not
[23:54] faces its flaws and corrects them I
[24:03] believe this my friend along with
[24:05] Twitter Town Park and the store clerk a
[24:07] rally of the teaching aides to the
[24:09] children and then each year students at
[24:12] Cal middle school and I'm the world
[24:14] school studying civil war and slightly
[24:17] in both degrees Kelvin is a title in
[24:23] school which means majority of students
[24:25] the assistant these lunches and school
[24:26] supplies which I had without it would be
[24:29] able to see this one even admitted to
[24:31] the grave site my recommendation for the
[24:34] monument is were to stay with panic
[24:36] context I believe it can act service
[24:40] educational listen to the students in
[24:42] our schools the better works were all
[24:44] seminars share and unique present and
[24:46] past in an age where is easier to raise
[24:49] our casting for in art history I believe
[24:51] that we should not advocate that educate
[24:53] people who come to see what it stands
[24:55] for a tribute to confederate veterans
[24:57] lost in war thank you thank you tsunami
[25:14] it's not moving okay
[25:18] by 1861 both sides of my family were in
[25:21] worse danger on my mother's side one
[25:24] ancestor this bench for being an
[25:26] abolitionist by pro-slavery while my
[25:29] three-times for Oklahomans kidnapped
[25:31] tortured and hanged by the Confederate
[25:34] Bill Anderson in July 1862 an idea where
[25:39] union officers leading counterinsurgency
[25:42] operations in north-central Missouri in
[25:45] one of those men was my
[25:46] great-great-grandfather
[25:48] it's an illustrated complicated nature
[25:50] of this war in the Finley's his brother
[25:54] was an officer the Confederate no less
[25:58] not my dad side during the war but my
[26:01] great-grandfather Ward 1868 was named
[26:04] after he listened says grant if it's a
[26:07] first person it's made that after
[26:09] bothering me so I imagined that their
[26:11] holiday gatherings was probably a public
[26:14] affairs
[26:15] it wasn't the purpose of this committee
[26:18] related to civil wars nor the history of
[26:21] either the Confederacy institution child
[26:23] slavery America
[26:25] however the historical treatment of
[26:29] these elements that nuisances which
[26:31] determine seeds disparate thoughts on
[26:34] moral and legal standing of the
[26:36] temporary audience give a mortise
[26:38] throughout the South through Texas as
[26:41] far as my interpretation it has any
[26:43] bearing at all on this it's that the
[26:45] world about slavery there were other
[26:47] areas of dispute between the northern
[26:49] and southern states economic disparity
[26:52] and understanding of states rights but I
[26:55] believe ultimately all these issues that
[26:57] we issue there was no other contentious
[27:01] issue that they could bring in such a
[27:04] tragedy it said that slavery it's the
[27:08] original sin
[27:09] I don't believe that that notion tells
[27:14] the whole story
[27:15] slavery was common practice throughout
[27:18] the world and it was brought to the
[27:19] Western Hemisphere but what makes what
[27:25] is unique about the United States it's
[27:27] not the institution of slavery but that
[27:30] the United States
[27:31] what a great fratricidal war which
[27:34] legislators and I don't believe that the
[27:37] average unit in standard walk an
[27:39] abolitionist cause nor do I believe that
[27:41] the average Confederate soldier
[27:43] purposely went to war for their
[27:45] disabling interest as a war veteran
[27:48] myself I understand it to enlist for a
[27:50] multitude of reasons in wartime
[27:53] adventure patriotism in supporting a
[27:56] community and I'm pretty certain that at
[28:00] the very bottom of every soldier's
[28:02] business further as far as the purpose
[28:08] of Confederate Memorial goes they don't
[28:10] see that the purpose is shrouded in
[28:11] history wives the daughters the
[28:14] granddaughters the soldiers who serve
[28:16] who didn't wish to honor their husbands
[28:19] and fathers service that United
[28:22] Daughters of the Confederacy may have
[28:24] simply wish to honor the service of
[28:26] awards
[28:27] irrelevant today public sentiment
[28:30] changes over time perception of our
[28:33] events and historical figures suddenly
[28:35] it's constant they stand in the new
[28:38] history for a prison that is covered by
[28:40] current events this is not necessarily
[28:43] what would be wrong with me doing
[28:45] Antebellum Texas secession the events in
[28:49] 1861 3065 reconstruction and Jim Crow
[28:53] only through the interpretations that
[28:56] were offered at that time as students of
[29:00] history we need understanding calculate
[29:02] errors but that doesn't mean that we
[29:05] need guided by the day but for the same
[29:09] reason we need to be cautious about
[29:11] burning passions to my knowledge there
[29:15] is no conclusive data indicating public
[29:17] support for either in handy for our
[29:19] awareness you know the public rooms
[29:24] should rate intensity of feeling on the
[29:26] subject but they were less than helpful
[29:28] in framing for didn't count as a whole
[29:30] stance on the issue it is not in our
[29:33] interest to be into the loudest voices
[29:36] that is why this
[29:38] they'll work through a contentious issue
[29:44] however in Congress it Mesa as an
[29:48] American of d'être as an American
[29:50] veteran people objected Confederate
[29:52] award
[29:53] I see memorials as distinct amendments
[29:56] the leaders such as Jefferson Davis
[29:58] which animals relatively history teaches
[30:02] us that even soldiers who fight through
[30:04] wrong causes may Switzerland honor valor
[30:07] in what the best intentions their
[30:10] distended their descendants still nor
[30:12] their loss you have the right under
[30:14] sacrifice we have two fundamental
[30:17] courses of action before us to keep the
[30:20] statue in place and a historical context
[30:22] and remove the statute to another
[30:25] location such as the Denton Historical
[30:27] Park
[30:28] Lexus where the first course of action
[30:30] keeping the memorial place in historical
[30:34] context
[30:36] I'm a strong believer Thomas Carlyle's
[30:38] observation that history is a letter of
[30:42] instruction under CASL and that spirit
[30:44] of the leaves and the statue remaining
[30:46] place is a letter of instruction and
[30:50] it's a letter of instruction
[30:51] mechanically conservative strengthened
[30:53] through the addition of context about
[30:55] the war about the amenities
[30:58] tribution UTC about slavery County in
[31:02] addition there were like a voice my
[31:04] support Michigan of a monumental
[31:06] opportunity such as possibly represented
[31:10] by mr. and mrs. Skinner a Quaker and
[31:12] again with with proper historical
[31:16] context just as its rightful honor the
[31:19] sacrifice of those soldiers in the
[31:21] county through the Civil War one minute
[31:24] it is surely property immortalized in
[31:27] honor of the african-americans of County
[31:30] for their servitude abuse and
[31:33] humiliation throughout County's history
[31:35] in that concludes my remarks but I'd
[31:38] like to see John very much with a tough
[31:41] job Rachel thank you thank you very much
[31:57] Tim are you ready the ability of the
[32:06] federal employer to educate people of
[32:08] today and regeneration about the
[32:09] tortured American past and how that was
[32:12] forwarded topically
[32:13] I also believe that to hire memorial a
[32:17] place for people venture is a disservice
[32:19] in history and let me face the history
[32:22] that must be faced head-on no matter how
[32:25] uncomfortable and would be a lost
[32:27] educational opportunity that must be
[32:30] experienced by many in order for the
[32:32] continued recovery of America thank you
[32:38] I thank my fellow committee
[32:54] we have probably spent 40 hours working
[32:57] on this numerous hours reading material
[33:00] numerous hours talking among ourselves I
[33:07] found it very helpful to get to know
[33:10] people it's hard to dislike people that
[33:14] you know and I think to a great extent
[33:17] if our fellow citizens for example on
[33:21] racial lines got to know each other
[33:24] better
[33:25] more likely to work out the differences
[33:28] come to consensus so thank you all for
[33:31] agreeing to serve I want to especially
[33:33] thank Peggy's birthday taken riddle
[33:37] who's worked for the county and
[33:43] that more time that you thought you was
[33:45] going down the meaning of catering to
[33:48] our decent to some extent on twins and
[33:53] helping us in so many ways and then
[33:56] finally to our chair John Baines he has
[34:01] led us with respect and dignity and to
[34:06] his credit
[34:09] he wasn't chair but especially because
[34:11] of the huge chair waited until recently
[34:15] so very recently to tell us his thoughts
[34:18] about what should happen and that's not
[34:20] always easy to do and John I just wanna
[34:22] thank you again for your service this
[34:26] chair I don't think anybody and I talked
[34:29] respectfully about my other map the
[34:39] statue the monument I'd say it very
[34:43] least is controversial I think that's it
[34:47] worked for a number of reasons get it
[34:49] but controversial because one of my
[34:52] fellow committee members and and I'm not
[34:56] going to argue with them said the facts
[34:58] were that this was dedicated to the
[35:01] soldiers the Confederacy I would say
[35:06] that if you look at the dentist
[35:09] United Daughters of dependency and I
[35:13] think the word united is important in
[35:15] daughters Confederacy and another
[35:18] purpose and I'm not saying they all agreed with
[35:21] this but they did not have put si si
[35:25] the Confederate soldiers American top on
[35:28] the statute I think they did that with
[35:31] the intention of sending a message to
[35:33] you future generation saying with
[35:36] violent words on the left side of the
[35:41] words are which says in service it's now
[35:47] in our hour of need
[35:48] once again after detention with just
[35:50] honor soldiers they do not have to add
[35:55] the context in South our D and my my
[36:01] interpretation facts is that it may be a
[36:05] tribute to the soldiers but it's also a
[36:08] statement of that Confederacy and them
[36:12] erecting this monument to to tell their
[36:17] kids and grandkids that their relative
[36:21] lives were lost to protect the
[36:25] institution slavery
[36:27] they didn't have to go for that they did
[36:30] so and the very ladies even if most of
[36:34] people on this committee or people the
[36:37] audience for that matter heard the other
[36:40] people who may be listening to these
[36:44] words will know is that a controversy
[36:49] and in my mind what we need to do is to
[36:55] come up with a unifying principle and I
[36:59] don't think that monument is the
[37:01] unifying principle as long as it stays
[37:04] there I think it would bite us and I
[37:06] think that's a bad thing not a good
[37:08] thing although I agree and I'm with
[37:11] every I haven't mentioned that I don't
[37:14] think previously I totally believe in
[37:17] honoring our soldiers now instead I
[37:25] think we didn't focus to focus on John
[37:28] Bishop John's vision told us two weeks
[37:32] ago was that there be in the place where
[37:36] the competitive memorial monument is is
[37:39] to be a monument all soldiers from
[37:42] Denton County who have served in the
[37:46] past and all the wars dating back to the
[37:50] American Revolution the future the
[37:55] statements that we may
[37:58] a recommendation to the commissioners
[38:00] there is going to be a statement that we
[38:03] make to our children and our
[38:05] grandchildren one of the things that
[38:08] hasn't brought up is that and all of our
[38:14] public forums the Millennials know is
[38:18] under their late 30s to 18 years of age
[38:23] about 90% of them favored moving and I
[38:29] think we're being blind if we don't
[38:32] realize we may be too close to the past
[38:36] many of us talked about our relatives
[38:40] who fought one side the other of the
[38:44] Civil War I think that I think we may be
[38:48] too close I think the Millennials have
[38:51] enough distance that they can more
[38:54] objectively when we love thee let me
[39:02] just move on I think that this is in the
[39:04] form of a motion but I would like to
[39:07] make a motion
[39:09] or remarks that Confederate statute
[39:13] located at Denton County Courthouse in
[39:16] Denton be moved to another historical
[39:18] location or cemetery with the caveat
[39:21] that be placed in a location where it
[39:24] could be given historical context in a
[39:27] statute be replaced by his family that
[39:29] honored all veterans in Benton County
[39:32] from all the Lord's gave back to the
[39:34] American Revolution I'd like to see us
[39:36] start our dialogue or discussion of
[39:39] deliberations with that motion in front
[39:42] of us and one last thing somebody else
[39:49] enters at Beaver Falls we need to reach
[39:52] the supermajority Thank You Howard
[40:02] okay Copeland please
[40:11] can you turn our speaker off his red
[40:14] light is it all is it all right yours is
[40:24] not all
[40:30] much better than much good thank you
[40:32] I lived in 1945 and I was in the sixth
[40:37] grade
[40:45] back then Denton was a segregated city
[40:48] and I remember that well thankfully how
[40:51] long has changed since 1945 I'm a good
[40:55] way for period spent led to that but I
[40:58] always stayed connected to death I have
[41:01] family members who were and still are
[41:04] prominent members of this community so
[41:09] my so my roots are deep again after
[41:15] retirement is the only place darling
[41:18] jicama well I know that it has its
[41:21] faults we made great strides in our
[41:24] desegregation members and even ended up
[41:27] as a textbook case of how to get it down
[41:31] tonight
[41:31] the phrase we are all Broncos is not
[41:35] just a spoon catchphrase but rather a
[41:38] genuine coming together of students of
[41:41] all races through the process of
[41:43] desegregation of the Denton Independent
[41:46] School District from the time I arrived
[41:48] in debt
[41:50] on the square they fledge point the
[41:54] paint a simple device Innis or a tribute
[41:58] to the Confederacy but rather what it is
[42:01] a monument to the Confederate soldier it
[42:06] seems now however the people across the
[42:09] country have decided between these
[42:11] monuments to the fort worth looking for
[42:14] ways to make them offensive we all talk
[42:17] about tolerance but I would point out
[42:20] what we're actually looking at the staff
[42:23] tolerance it's government regimes like
[42:26] Isis Hitler and the Taliban that make us
[42:30] remove things the moon including history
[42:34] it's the definition of intolerance to
[42:38] eliminate what you don't agree with and
[42:40] I don't want to be on the side of
[42:42] intolerance I would urge you to preserve
[42:45] the memorial to honor that they remain
[42:48] strictly called to serve they fought and
[42:51] died because of the sense of honor and
[42:54] duty to defend their homes from an
[42:57] invading army we can appreciate them and
[43:01] their sacrifice while at the same time
[43:04] being thankful they were not successful
[43:07] in their efforts it is a monument to
[43:10] honor the soldier not to honor the
[43:12] Confederacy
[43:14] you may not know this but not bad
[43:18] two of my great grandsons ready to
[43:21] America while they're young now I look
[43:24] forward to the day when I bring them to
[43:26] the courthouse square where we'll get
[43:29] ice cream over at Murray's sit on the
[43:32] bench and I'll explain our history to
[43:34] them the memorial is a conversation
[43:37] starter and removing it removes the
[43:40] opportunity to have these conversations
[43:44] removing it in fact attempts to remove
[43:47] history
[43:54] I was just some of the people to shop
[43:57] our business spoke to her the most
[44:00] directly affected on the daily basis
[44:03] those who look out it was the courthouse
[44:05] every day I spent how they felt about
[44:08] our question several islands sent emails
[44:10] expressing their thoughts many have been
[44:13] shared with the committee members I
[44:15] didn't hear any of them say that were
[44:17] offended in any way now the statute may
[44:20] play right where it is as far as I can
[44:23] tell they all thought advantage of the
[44:25] beauty the Lance spectrum the education
[44:28] of the Kennedys I believe the soldier
[44:32] has stood the test of time he stood
[44:36] there for 100 years and I look forward
[44:38] to celebrating is 100 worth day to some
[44:41] hope all of you will join me for that
[44:44] celebration and in fact even the
[44:46] daughters of a hundred years ago for
[44:49] having the course life to give it to us
[44:51] my hope will start later my hope is that
[44:59] we keep the monument and add language to
[45:02] it that represents the struggles and
[45:04] trials of the african-american
[45:07] and my hope is also that we preserve
[45:10] history and learn from this process so
[45:14] we can understand who we are and how far
[45:17] we've come and I would like to add my
[45:19] thanks to those and new people to John
[45:22] you've done a marvelous job keeping us
[45:27] Tom thank you Kay everyone's arguments
[45:45] are fantastic I'd like to thank John -
[45:52] you've done it a great job keeping us
[45:56] all proud and on task and stuff and the
[45:59] committee it's been an honor serving
[46:01] with all of you I'm Bobby Mitchell for
[46:04] appointing me to this Advisory Committee
[46:10] I actually was excited to serve on it's
[46:16] been an extreme learning experience and
[46:21] Peggy thank you so much I know we've had
[46:25] you ran from one end to the other and
[46:28] you probably disseminated more paper
[46:31] during our time together than you have
[46:35] in the last ten years and last but not
[46:41] least the citizens that have taken their
[46:45] to be involved in this process and to
[46:48] come and listen and they come and speak
[46:49] for or against it is good to see our
[46:54] democracy in action and you exercising
[46:57] your right to be heard my presentation
[47:01] is very short and sweet I am for leaving
[47:09] the statue in place and adding context
[47:15] to it but there was a question that I
[47:18] posed I think meeting or two ago that
[47:21] said if if it said our Civil War soldier
[47:29] would we even be here and Mr Hudson said
[47:33] no so over and above of leaving the
[47:40] statue where it is it's adding in
[47:45] historical context I would like to see
[47:48] the Denton County sealed the overlaid
[47:51] over the CSA I would also like to see
[47:56] our Civil War soldiers be overlaid over
[48:00] our Confederate soldiers I think that's
[48:06] a common-sense way I do believe that it
[48:09] fits the the determination when it comes
[48:15] to the Historical Society of changes and
[48:19] that is something that could be done and
[48:21] be done relatively inexpensive I too
[48:26] have a hard time with tax dollars going
[48:30] through this
[48:31] it would take private fundraising but I
[48:34] also believe there would be so many
[48:36] people from both sides of the issue come
[48:39] together to do that to make sure that
[48:42] the context and other art that is added
[48:45] out there would be done in great taste
[48:48] and and so forth
[48:52] I would love to see all whether kiosks
[48:56] that had oral history on it that stated
[49:00] the people were and didn't counting the
[49:04] Civil Rights icons in Denton County that
[49:06] made a difference in our County such as
[49:12] Fred Moore and the skinners that have
[49:14] been brought up in others I know Polly
[49:17] you mentioned the women's group I didn't
[49:23] know that and it's nice to learn
[49:25] something about that I think there's
[49:27] probably a lot of people in the county
[49:29] that do not know a lot or know nothing
[49:35] about the civil rights movement in the
[49:38] county in the icons that helped make
[49:41] this county where it is today and I
[49:43] would love to see that and that's that's
[49:49] my recommendation I'm gonna cut it short
[49:51] and sweet to the point thank you so that
[49:58] I don't exert a the executive privilege
[50:01] in my turn to make my presentation
[50:29] Thank You mr. Hudspeth for keeping the
[50:31] conversation alive these many years
[50:33] thanks to all the committee members to
[50:36] Peggy I give thanks to all who gave
[50:43] their lives to give us the freedoms that
[50:46] we have in this country and my
[50:51] presentation is going to be about five
[50:53] recommendations that I have and also
[50:57] about the strength to make changes let
[51:01] me do my recommendations first number
[51:05] one replace the Confederate statue with
[51:09] a monument that pays tribute to all the
[51:12] Fallen of Denton County from all wars
[51:14] now to show you how how unconnected I am
[51:17] in living in this community for 34 years
[51:21] I did not know there was an all wars
[51:24] memorial outside so what that tells me
[51:28] is it's so nondescript that it does not
[51:32] give the appropriate attention to the
[51:35] issue for which it was erected my
[51:40] recommendation is that we have a
[51:44] monument that pays tribute to men to
[51:49] women to Hispanics to Indians to African
[51:55] Americans to Anglo Americans the Koreans
[51:58] and the Japanese who all were a part of
[52:01] all the Wars of this country my
[52:05] recommendation is that every name of any
[52:10] deceased who fought in a war would be
[52:13] listed on that monument I one of my
[52:16] eager assistants went through and found
[52:19] all the names of all the World War two
[52:22] deceased from Denton County it's here
[52:25] for you to look at after our meeting he
[52:29] listed everyone there all the names so
[52:33] for those who want to go and touch
[52:35] history touch their ancestors touch the
[52:38] past say a prayer give a word of thanks
[52:42] it's right there for you my
[52:45] recommendation is also to convene an
[52:47] Committee of diverse veterans and others
[52:50] to see this project through from
[52:52] conception to completion the county
[52:56] should not pay for this memorial I'm
[52:58] willing to commit a thousand dollars a
[53:00] year for the next three years as my
[53:02] contribution to this effort number to
[53:06] relocate the Confederate statue to
[53:08] either the I double O F Cemetery or the
[53:11] Denton County Historical Park on Carroll
[53:14] Boulevard that is a great piece of art
[53:17] it is a great piece of history and I do
[53:20] not want to desecrate the memory of any
[53:23] who gave their lives as a veteran who
[53:27] was serving in a what I consider a war
[53:31] that to this day is still controversial
[53:35] the Vietnam War I'm glad I was able to
[53:38] serve my country but there's a lot of
[53:40] confusion still around that number three
[53:43] I recommend that a memorial be made to
[53:46] chronicle the progress of race relations
[53:49] and Denton County now this is this is a
[53:53] more workmanship this is a poor man's
[53:55] effort here one side has all the slaves
[54:01] so we go from slavery to the next phase
[54:05] in history which is Quakertown Park so
[54:08] we have Quakertown Park here then we
[54:11] have another momentous occasion in
[54:14] Denton County history the Fellowship of
[54:18] Christian women who laid the foundation
[54:22] for the integration of the public
[54:23] schools are commemorated here and last
[54:26] but not least when you were Broncos and
[54:29] so I'm proposing that we have not only a
[54:32] memorial to the veterans but a memorial
[54:35] to racial healing and I didn't have time
[54:38] to bring my other incomplete which was
[54:41] my fourth recommendation was that we not
[54:44] just focused on veterans or on the past
[54:47] but let's focus on the future and
[54:50] branding our future we have a lot of
[54:53] opportunity
[54:55] right now the world is looking at us
[54:57] what are we going to say about ourselves
[54:58] is dentin simply about veterans is
[55:00] dictum simply about race are there some
[55:03] other things we would like to discuss
[55:05] for example dentin is a great place to
[55:08] live we value education we look at it as
[55:12] a beacon for the future so use this for
[55:16] another opportunity to talk positively
[55:19] about ourselves and our vision for the
[55:21] future and then our last one was to have
[55:25] town hall meetings in all the locations
[55:28] where we were previously to convey to
[55:31] the citizens the decision that we came
[55:33] to whatever the consensus is that we go
[55:36] and we talk to people about why we chose
[55:38] this and not the other how many minutes
[55:41] do I have left mr. Sanchez two minutes
[55:45] thank you I should be able to do this
[55:48] the strength to change there was a time
[55:53] in history when five slaves equal three
[55:57] white men it was told the three-fifths
[55:59] Amendment okay but things changed people
[56:04] were strong enough to make a change
[56:05] there was a time and emancipation was
[56:08] necessary people were strong enough to
[56:10] make a change even though there are lots
[56:12] of voices clamoring people were strong
[56:15] enough to make a change voting rights
[56:19] for the slaves people made a change
[56:21] prohibition people made a change one of
[56:24] the ones I love the most women's right
[56:26] to vote people made a change they
[56:29] realized we thought to make a change the
[56:32] poll tax was removed and
[56:34] eighteen-year-olds when I was 18 I had
[56:37] to go to Vietnam
[56:38] thank you I'm almost there so I talked
[56:43] about the strength to change and I
[56:46] talked about how wonderful it was to
[56:49] have this experience I hope that our
[56:52] recommendations will have some
[56:53] meaningful outcome and I thank you from
[56:57] the bottom of my heart for this time
[56:59] thank you
[57:07] welcome sir I think it's important for
[57:10] me to say that I've been doing this
[57:14] talking about that statute for almost a
[57:18] little bit over 18 years I came to this
[57:24] committee with a preconceived idea of
[57:27] what things what should have happened to
[57:30] you in regards to that and I think many
[57:33] of the members of already talked about
[57:35] this situations changed when you get to
[57:39] know the people who were dealing with
[57:43] and that in fact happened to me what I
[57:47] brought to the committee was my past and
[57:50] it was a difficult time for me growing
[57:56] up in a segregated community mr. Sanchez
[58:01] let me know when I look at segregated
[58:11] community that means only blacks were in
[58:15] my neighborhood we all only ventured out
[58:18] to go to work and come back horrendous
[58:21] things are snapping to me as a young
[58:22] person now I'm bringing all this to the
[58:24] committee you must realize I want you to
[58:28] realize that's what I'm having to work
[58:32] through that history went through our
[58:35] black school then at 18 is young men
[58:38] never leaving my community it was thrust
[58:40] into a war that I didn't agree
[58:42] did not want to serve then I saw
[58:44] horrendous things that happened there
[58:46] and I left the war came home and people
[58:49] treated me really bad and I didn't
[58:51] understand I didn't want to go and it
[58:54] was because we lost whatever that means
[58:56] they didn't have a idea for Vietnam and
[58:59] seeing people killed and dismembered in
[59:02] mind and all that was was all about
[59:04] didn't care I don't know whatever that's
[59:07] what's happened on the committee to
[59:09] that's happening to me and I brought
[59:11] that to the committee then Christ came
[59:18] into my life I went to church and I
[59:24] didn't know what that was all about then
[59:26] I met this thing and spirit that helped
[59:29] me see that I should do better dad I
[59:32] brought that to the community so coupled
[59:36] with the 18 years almost of being out
[59:39] there saying something's wrong here and
[59:41] now having an opportunity to make a
[59:44] change only to come to the committee and
[59:47] they happened we all had the past's
[59:51] started to come out and so now we're
[59:54] working through the past of all of us in
[1:00:01] my young life growing up not only would
[1:00:05] he not be sitting here as a chairman of
[1:00:08] anything he would not be allowed in this
[1:00:12] building
[1:00:13] nor I nowhere near is good enough to be
[1:00:17] arraigned and sent away to some cage
[1:00:20] that's all in music so now I'm sitting
[1:00:23] on the committee and I'm trying to work
[1:00:24] through what do I do
[1:00:25] I think that
[1:00:40] you have to understand what slavery does
[1:00:44] to a person
[1:00:46] if you do maybe done maybe you have some
[1:00:49] situations like that - let me just keep
[1:00:51] your imps in my life I'm marked this
[1:00:58] March I don't know why I never
[1:01:02] understood it it just marks right where
[1:01:05] I go I'm affected the people treat me a
[1:01:10] certain way because of this skin that I
[1:01:13] had and because of a Christian I've got
[1:01:16] to get over it I've got to somehow get
[1:01:18] over it and let people do what they're
[1:01:21] going to do and try to be good with what
[1:01:23] I have - three names like you of what I
[1:01:25] need to do I'm saying I like to say this
[1:01:28] I'm not going to say the things that I
[1:01:30] really wanted to say really what am I
[1:01:38] gonna say because of mr. Boehner bless
[1:01:43] these part million is part just a good
[1:01:52] I'm not going to say that I'm just not
[1:01:56] going to say and I think he said the
[1:01:59] black this is this covers my problem
[1:02:04] just tell you what I found that I've
[1:02:06] heard history the history change with
[1:02:12] the monument I don't like the statute
[1:02:15] being moved somewheres
[1:02:17] what part of history changes it doesn't
[1:02:20] honor I don't want the honor of my
[1:02:23] fellow of our parents and the soldiers
[1:02:26] that fought not being honored anymore
[1:02:29] what part changes by moving this and
[1:02:32] putting another statue up there or
[1:02:34] something up there with the names of the
[1:02:37] person how does that change honoring
[1:02:40] them I think it increases the honor
[1:02:42] their names there and the last one
[1:02:47] my problem my grandkids and their kids
[1:02:53] how do I help them understand that we're
[1:02:56] all black homes that's moving where I
[1:03:01] think we ought to be going we looked at
[1:03:03] the past it's there and you can honor
[1:03:05] that we looked at where we are right now
[1:03:08] the Vietnam stuff in our everything I'm
[1:03:10] going through and it says to me we're
[1:03:13] all in this together we are humans well
[1:03:17] humans and we're in it together let's
[1:03:19] just get together and make a change and
[1:03:22] make it further for our future that does
[1:03:25] it so plugging my brother thank you sir Commissioner
[1:03:44] I would also like German fans as well as
[1:03:49] members of the committee to count our
[1:03:52] standard logic in Ireland notebook
[1:04:13] county it compare one Advisory Committee
[1:04:17] another book we were given our guideline
[1:04:20] mission was to appropriately preserve
[1:04:24] the Confederate soldier memorial as a
[1:04:27] historical artifact using only resources
[1:04:31] by the county and other authoritative
[1:04:33] materials from historians engineer
[1:04:37] materials related to the monument and
[1:04:41] that was a very broad spectrum of
[1:04:44] information we had to review after the
[1:04:50] members of the k2000 chapter the United
[1:04:52] Daughters of the Confederacy had spent
[1:04:54] years young we proceeded Tara pounds and
[1:04:57] bears and eccentric soldiers they wanted
[1:05:00] to erect a monument to those soldiers
[1:05:03] that information I found when I went to
[1:05:07] Fort Worth and went through the archives
[1:05:09] for the state of Texas for the United
[1:05:12] dollars the Confederacy this project of
[1:05:16] putting at the monument took several
[1:05:19] years and only fundraising from the
[1:05:21] chapter with the county funds used in
[1:05:24] its purchase or placement to my
[1:05:28] knowledge this is the only monument on
[1:05:33] this day many citizens stated they
[1:05:39] thought the monument should be used as a
[1:05:41] teaching
[1:05:41] I found out the monument is included in
[1:05:46] courthouse Museum teaching program per
[1:05:49] Riddle event information was asked for
[1:05:54] so the question is answered but we need
[1:05:57] to inform the public of this teachable
[1:05:59] moment for our children
[1:06:03] the fact is lacking and historical
[1:06:06] information of the county and how the
[1:06:09] war affected the citizens of the time I
[1:06:14] feel the context of the plaque should
[1:06:17] tell more of the county and the effect
[1:06:20] the board had our geographic area over
[1:06:26] the years there's also mental state
[1:06:28] designations given to protect that
[1:06:31] Monument the Denton County Courthouse
[1:06:35] grounds which includes the Denton County
[1:06:39] Courthouse which includes the grounds
[1:06:41] Texas Historical Commission in 1970
[1:06:45] getting that designation December 22
[1:06:54] 1977 didn't important us which includes
[1:07:00] the ground was put on the National
[1:07:02] Historic Places January 1st of 1981 the
[1:07:09] Benton County Courthouse which includes
[1:07:11] the ground was put on the state
[1:07:13] antiquities landmark listed or
[1:07:16] architectural and archaeological
[1:07:18] classification classification on the
[1:07:21] public square in 1979 Denton County
[1:07:26] Courthouse on the square Museum history
[1:07:32] was listed and then Denton County
[1:07:35] Courthouse Square historic history was
[1:07:38] and I have it down in two days it's the
[1:07:42] same thing so I don't know what we have
[1:07:43] two days July 24th 1999 and November 16
[1:07:49] 2011 strong Historic Places and then
[1:07:55] historic architectural resources Denton
[1:07:58] so if we're going to do anything with
[1:08:01] those monuments we must go through those
[1:08:03] entities before changes can be made to
[1:08:06] the monument as it stands now that
[1:08:11] doesn't mean that it can't it
[1:08:15] and for them to be done the monument is
[1:08:22] covered my holidays listed on the
[1:08:24] grounds with the courthouse and the
[1:08:26] public square it is my recommendation
[1:08:29] you get above information that the
[1:08:32] monument is to the soldier of the county
[1:08:35] it is a counting on and it should stay
[1:08:39] on the south side of men on the
[1:08:40] courthouse museum grounds as both are
[1:08:43] covered by the Texas Historical
[1:08:45] Commission the National Register of
[1:08:48] Historic Places the state antiquities
[1:08:50] landmark distinction it also implements
[1:08:58] the Veterans Memorial is the ranks above
[1:09:01] amount and I'm sorry haven't noticed
[1:09:05] that before because I have been to
[1:09:07] Memorial Day celebrations then both
[1:09:11] universities have went on the courthouse
[1:09:14] branch the band
[1:09:20] we need to work to let these two
[1:09:22] monuments that they the other line we're
[1:09:26] talking about celebrates after it does
[1:09:32] not include that it does not however so
[1:09:41] both of those are I think that slavery
[1:10:31] every argument to try to support the
[1:10:33] civil war and those that defendants
[1:10:35] liquor is nothing more than instead an
[1:10:38] excuse to try to justify the
[1:10:41] unjustifiable
[1:10:45] [Music]
[1:10:50] one of the principle of dampers was to
[1:10:53] penetrate everything on what I believe
[1:10:58] education on the civil war the lost
[1:11:00] cause black soldiers Southern Union
[1:11:04] soldiers Exeter two of those have
[1:11:07] supported the eradication of slavery the
[1:11:11] Daughters of the Confederacy hot we use
[1:11:14] you utilize the statute to maximize
[1:11:18] education on such an important subject
[1:11:20] as slavery as I have stated numerous
[1:11:25] times the the statue on the squares was
[1:11:28] not booked there in the vacuum then with
[1:11:32] a history associated with that statute
[1:11:35] when it was directed and also an agenda
[1:11:39] most of the spending was for an agenda
[1:11:42] in that agenda could not be approached
[1:11:45] by the black community and Jennifer for
[1:11:49] the most part and nothing to do with the
[1:11:51] reality but based on myth there was this
[1:11:56] controversy about the Confederate statue
[1:11:59] on the dentist's word the controversy is
[1:12:02] what does the statute stand for what is
[1:12:05] it symbolize and who doesn't honor it in
[1:12:10] an article on the dense square dated
[1:12:12] nineteen thirty five years prior to the
[1:12:15] statue be erected the dentist's
[1:12:18] particles made that statue was to honor
[1:12:20] the Confederacy what does that mean - to
[1:12:26] honor the Confederacy
[1:12:31] the clitoris of the Confederate States
[1:12:33] of America that country that took up
[1:12:36] arms to fight for slavery to see from
[1:12:38] the United States of America and took
[1:12:40] arms against the United States of
[1:12:42] America not only do they want to create
[1:12:45] their whole country but they want to
[1:12:49] expand their country to other states in
[1:12:52] the southwest southwestern United States
[1:12:54] they did not have slavery this is what
[1:12:58] this sudden this is what these other
[1:13:01] disorders did there is no denying that yes let us look at the statue
[1:13:07] itself needs to call another statue has
[1:13:09] an inscription on the right the
[1:13:12] following words are described here
[1:13:14] amended by the Daughters of the
[1:13:16] Confederacy in every veteran soldier
[1:13:19] when the award self-sacrifice and
[1:13:22] loyalty gained their manhood in their
[1:13:26] lives to do this up in her hour of need
[1:13:29] this is this inscription 30 states in
[1:13:33] the upon earth to the Confederate
[1:13:34] soldiers they took up arms against the
[1:13:37] United States of America this
[1:13:39] inscription is nothing short of treason
[1:13:41] on the other column the following the
[1:13:44] words are their names great on the
[1:13:47] morning college Armstrong hurt or in the
[1:13:51] future and and their examples reached a
[1:13:54] part through all the years to meet
[1:13:58] purposes and won't it need to actually
[1:14:01] pure s as there's that was kind of what
[1:14:05] I understand what already there that was
[1:14:09] not generous or fewer the thoughtful
[1:14:12] slavery that is effective the South
[1:14:17] seceded from the United States of
[1:14:18] America to create the Confederate States
[1:14:21] of America
[1:14:21] for one reason and one reason only one
[1:14:25] reason and one reason only
[1:14:26] so that was to have a country where
[1:14:28] slavery was legal slave who is going to
[1:14:31] be outlawed in the United States of
[1:14:33] America the Confederate States of
[1:14:36] America one hundred countries where
[1:14:37] black human beings could be bought sold
[1:14:41] work for free and bred like livestock
[1:14:44] a country where black women little girls
[1:14:48] and young boys could be great at the
[1:14:51] wheel of the slave owner and his that
[1:14:54] his born his white employees had no say
[1:14:58] we're children because seat front hombre
[1:15:02] were also sold and maintained as slaves
[1:15:04] for no other reason that there's skin
[1:15:07] color and they had no safe fighting for
[1:15:10] the Confederate States of America was
[1:15:12] neither an athlete generosity or purity
[1:15:15] the myth that the South was against
[1:15:18] slavery because they bended importing
[1:15:20] slaves is called the Benedict forty
[1:15:24] slaves because they only had strong
[1:15:26] green II thought it would bring more
[1:15:28] slaves but it'll only be value their
[1:15:31] slaves valuable time
[1:15:44] [Music]
[1:16:10] the other no month of lipstick will hide
[1:16:33] but the Confederate soldier thoughtful
[1:16:36] last but not least are the water
[1:16:38] problems were only white the green from
[1:16:41] miswired comments are the culmination of
[1:16:43] a thought process that Ernie the arrow
[1:16:46] that the statue was erected black people
[1:16:49] are second-class citizens or not equal
[1:16:51] to thank you mr. Sanchez we have one
[1:17:06] last entry into the record
[1:17:42] there are a couple of unresolved issue
[1:17:44] doesn't when phenomena ought to start
[1:17:46] I've heard it said over and over again
[1:17:48] that the southerners were traitors and
[1:17:50] the monument is a monument to treason if
[1:17:53] narrowly focused I suppose you could
[1:17:55] call them prayers just like Patrick
[1:17:57] Henry George Washington were traitors to
[1:17:59] England and they were equally as
[1:18:01] traitorous Sam Houston will you be
[1:18:03] Travis worldly their efforts to secede
[1:18:05] from Mexico the point being the victors
[1:18:08] get the frame history anywhere they want
[1:18:10] to they can call it the glorious
[1:18:11] American Revolution because they wanted
[1:18:14] the right to do so in the case of Civil
[1:18:17] War our side won
[1:18:19] that is a Concord family side and in the
[1:18:21] magnanimity of victory the North chose
[1:18:23] to grant amnesty and immunity from
[1:18:25] prosecution for treason to the southern
[1:18:28] brothers even Jeff Davis was not
[1:18:30] prosecuted because some legal scholars
[1:18:33] believe that there was a question as to
[1:18:35] whether Northland strong enough in fact
[1:18:38] the Supreme Court did not find
[1:18:41] Leona's secessionism 1869
[1:18:44] so the victors decided it wasn't not
[1:18:47] treason and we can't come along 150
[1:18:50] years later in deciding laws no double
[1:18:52] jeopardy Jessica that's after World War
[1:18:55] two when the Allies decided it was why
[1:18:57] isn't University with a seek revenge the
[1:19:00] business would bring the country back
[1:19:01] together
[1:19:02] steam proved by the Union victors
[1:19:04] granted full rights and allow these
[1:19:07] seminars that right under the dead that
[1:19:09] in federal army means they even dream up
[1:19:12] fanciful justifications who war was not
[1:19:14] considered a threat the Union the North
[1:19:17] won the South gathering there's the same
[1:19:20] amount of energy extended to try the
[1:19:23] tides the worn-out the slavery the logic
[1:19:26] seems to be that it's likely this
[1:19:28] possible war therefore every single soul
[1:19:31] who caught up in the war was fighting
[1:19:33] for slavery and by extension every
[1:19:36] memorial to those dead southern soldiers
[1:19:38] as a monument to slavery itself this is
[1:19:41] a logical fallacy does not stand up to
[1:19:44] any test as I mentioned elsewhere the
[1:19:46] Southern cause before development
[1:19:48] slightly the northern reason for
[1:19:51] fighting the soul to preserve the other
[1:19:55] ideas presented as about the coincidence
[1:19:58] of the monument growing up to a period
[1:20:00] encouraging racist activity the Jim Crow
[1:20:02] period
[1:20:02] and this supposed to Jim Crow pen - is
[1:20:05] focusing by paying for two reasons one
[1:20:07] because in almost every case I've found
[1:20:11] war memorials with about forty to sixty
[1:20:13] years after the war coinciding with the
[1:20:16] aging and burn centers the desire their
[1:20:19] children to summon Pappy Gatto leader
[1:20:21] died that second notice that respond to
[1:20:24] this point if every one of the 719 Civil
[1:20:28] War monuments in the south as a monument
[1:20:30] to racism and white supremacy and what
[1:20:33] are the 2500 the morning spread to the
[1:20:36] north examine the same time is certainly
[1:20:38] weren't a civil rights and one of us a
[1:20:41] fast forward in 2018 and it's horrific
[1:20:45] racist incidents incidents which has
[1:20:47] shocked the nation some but not all of
[1:20:50] the appropriate bus sociopaths waiting
[1:20:52] faked Confederate flags these are not
[1:20:55] real Confederates they were angry crazy
[1:20:57] people unfortunately as a result and
[1:21:00] some people are projecting their healthy
[1:21:02] hatred appraises onto this block as
[1:21:04] stunned as if it were talisman of evil
[1:21:06] and giving an italian never really had
[1:21:09] the smacks of revenge because some
[1:21:12] businesses like Confederate symbols
[1:21:14] therefore will show their better living
[1:21:16] all the criticism the sentiment behind
[1:21:19] our campaign are actually doing
[1:21:23] something about our own pub it's not so
[1:21:25] simple
[1:21:27] people rightly feel impotent they just
[1:21:30] want this something to stand up to face
[1:21:32] this threat to participate rather than
[1:21:34] sit on their hands and do nothing
[1:21:36] I completely understand this there are
[1:21:38] battles to be fought but this is the
[1:21:40] wrong one and then it didn't benefit of
[1:21:44] this however has been a cause of real
[1:21:47] national conversation about race this is
[1:21:51] the discretion that is that needs to
[1:21:53] happen right in my opinion it will
[1:21:55] always need to happen and what can we do
[1:21:58] about it
[1:21:58] I favor keeping in mind the word is beef
[1:22:02] up the explanatory plan and use it as a
[1:22:05] focal point for a lesson about history
[1:22:08] that it's not just another sanitized
[1:22:10] supper Dallas it's a real terrible real
[1:22:14] history and some of that history was not
[1:22:16] so trusted I absolutely think we could
[1:22:19] face the savory aspects of our history
[1:22:21] as ponies we do the prostate ones hold
[1:22:24] up the mayor of truth but this was
[1:22:26] really us but we're trying to do better
[1:22:28] this is why I propose the
[1:22:30] african-american historical archive so
[1:22:33] all citizens see what really happened
[1:22:35] here
[1:22:36] I believe it by creating an archive of
[1:22:38] content of course by interpretive
[1:22:40] exhibits we say something about
[1:22:42] ourselves upon our commitment to the
[1:22:45] truth and our willingness to face it
[1:22:47] this is something was a lecturer than
[1:22:49] lead on this could have a real benefit
[1:22:52] to historians and anyone interested in
[1:22:54] race relations if done properly have a
[1:22:56] real and lasting effect and go a long
[1:22:58] way to promoting understanding between
[1:23:01] the races southern proposed having also
[1:23:04] memorial on the squares account
[1:23:15] [Music]
[1:23:24] our history some of us are old and we
[1:23:47] need to brush our hair powder our nose
[1:23:50] so we're going to take a five-minute
[1:23:52] break be back in 10 minutes ladies and
[1:23:56] gentlemen as we stand right now we have
[1:23:59] 11 who have voted to leave the statue is
[1:24:03] here with context we have four who voted
[1:24:06] to remove so I'll ask the question is
[1:24:11] that indicative enough of a consensus or
[1:24:14] do we need to try again to get a a few
[1:24:17] to come to the other side okay
[1:24:32] amazing
[1:24:49] I think we need to discuss terms topics
[1:24:53] in matter the temperatures
[1:24:57] I mean terms under which the total gets
[1:24:59] to accept recommendation or we want to
[1:25:03] bring people together don't equate some
[1:25:07] worldly absolutely adequate to just
[1:25:11] ignore some realistic service and favor
[1:25:16] others and I know that let's talk about
[1:25:20] with the discussion of context was meant
[1:25:22] to he's meant to bring people together
[1:25:24] but there's a there's a historical error
[1:25:27] risk of repeating a hundred years ago
[1:25:31] really the original sentence that we're
[1:25:34] living through today the cinema hundred
[1:25:37] years ago was not to seek consensus
[1:25:53] [Music]
[1:25:58] feminist federalism blowing spot about
[1:26:01] the implications of lionizing those but
[1:26:05] important is defeat some people live
[1:26:08] right around the corner would still been
[1:26:09] enslaved so I suggest that in the terms
[1:26:14] of our recommendation we should include
[1:26:17] a concerted effort to seek input and
[1:26:23] consent from a number of constituencies
[1:26:28] we heard people give us their initial
[1:26:30] feelings about what should happen but
[1:26:32] they should have an opportunity to
[1:26:33] respond
[1:26:34] not just to accept but to respond and to
[1:26:37] consent if in fact the telling of this
[1:26:41] full history is it's of a sufficiently
[1:26:44] great benefit that it overcomes the
[1:26:47] negatives of a public message saying
[1:26:50] some people are less than let the let
[1:26:53] the descendants of enslaved people say
[1:26:56] so and make an umbrella and what the
[1:26:59] descendants of veteran say so and maybe
[1:27:01] they will and as far as tactics I think
[1:27:04] we should just we should agree on what
[1:27:06] needs to be covered in a
[1:27:08] contextualisation
[1:27:12] I think John you gave a good start and I
[1:27:16] would say broadly if we're going to tell
[1:27:19] the whole truth and we should tell about
[1:27:21] the truth of slavery in Denton County we
[1:27:24] should tell about the truth of the
[1:27:25] experience of the Civil War here paper
[1:27:28] town about segregation and about
[1:27:31] desegregation
[1:27:32] broadly most of the topics that I think
[1:27:34] are essential and then lastly if we can
[1:27:39] agree on the matter of contextualization
[1:27:41] we've talked about this a little bit in
[1:27:42] committee you've had a very big visual
[1:27:44] symbol in a visual culture and then
[1:27:47] adding a bunch of text is you know only
[1:27:50] for those who want to stop and bother to
[1:27:53] read it which is you know let's face it
[1:27:55] this is a public square we're back and
[1:27:57] forth to bars and restaurants and you
[1:27:59] know whatever
[1:28:00] visual impact this full story than we
[1:28:05] need a visual manner of telling it I
[1:28:07] would offer those areas terms topic to
[1:28:11] matter as a way to reach consensus and
[1:28:31] one of the professor's he spoke with us
[1:28:34] said this statute has not power unless
[1:28:38] we give it power it can contextually
[1:28:42] mean as I said before what Maya Angelou
[1:28:47] said and still we rise we can have
[1:28:50] conversations with students and children
[1:28:53] and editors and said people a race of
[1:28:57] people or subjugated can you believe
[1:29:01] never make it we've almost totally wiped
[1:29:04] out the native americans but still buddy
[1:29:08] rocks and ironically they're taking
[1:29:11] their money back to the casino Miss
[1:29:13] America but I think that this expands
[1:29:17] you with context and I want mark to to
[1:29:34] write things he said it was a final war
[1:29:40] brotherbrother when Lee and grant nine
[1:29:45] sites had dinner together and we're
[1:29:49] trying to cover it by current events and
[1:29:53] the best
[1:29:55] I love these works this statute can be a
[1:29:59] letter of instruction from the past and
[1:30:02] still would rise and just a side note it
[1:30:05] is could nine of Americans did not vote
[1:30:08] until 1924 they even let women vote
[1:30:12] before they let Native American fight
[1:30:15] when we need to change the name of
[1:30:18] didn't because it's hurtful
[1:30:19] well hasn't the Choctaw Indian and maybe
[1:30:23] this is too informal but he said just
[1:30:26] filled a box around the statue and say
[1:30:29] if you're brave enough to look at the
[1:30:31] past open these doors maybe we can build
[1:30:36] some accountability into it by having
[1:30:41] reports to Commissioner's Court
[1:30:43] I commend our commissioners I commend
[1:30:46] our commissioners as leaders like an
[1:30:48] eternity
[1:30:49] the Office of history and culture
[1:30:53] even the historical Commissioner doing
[1:30:54] so many things for all peoples history
[1:30:57] but I can't keep up with it but maybe
[1:31:01] quarterly yearly report on all the
[1:31:04] things that are going on now humming
[1:31:05] from the those two people but turn the
[1:31:10] black Film Festival it can be a national
[1:31:16] [Music]
[1:31:17] financial impact something that that
[1:31:21] they bright enough to look at in the
[1:31:23] past and a prominent plus may be joined
[1:31:27] with the Union soldier I don't know
[1:31:30] what if we can agree on once there but
[1:31:33] if it's like Ronnie said in a kiosk with
[1:31:36] ever-changing like calling input
[1:31:56] [Music]
[1:33:21] if there is a bummer for someone tough
[1:33:25] you just deal with your problem we the
[1:33:28] ruling class has spoken
[1:33:34] [Music]
[1:34:28] how is it that I should look at si si
[1:34:38] any other way they it depicts me and so
[1:34:43] you especially with the statements that
[1:34:45] they make it was a session space stated
[1:34:49] that the Negro is subhuman and that's
[1:34:52] the CSA for the recession and there it's
[1:35:03] on the monument how am I meant to say
[1:35:09] never in fact 1999 when I started this
[1:35:13] that was the issue that I've already
[1:35:16] turn the water back on and they have
[1:35:19] invited me for the work that I suggest
[1:35:22] the other day was to say and one time
[1:35:26] only White's can drink from these
[1:35:27] families now everyone can drink from the
[1:35:31] family
[1:35:31] that's not ever let this happen again
[1:35:34] please tell me how that's bad
[1:35:37] how is that a bad thing so I need
[1:35:39] someone to tell me when I just would
[1:35:42] vote they can go ahead and in these
[1:35:45] sessions look at the 11 for vote and let
[1:35:48] me go on and do what I need to do it's
[1:35:51] not bringing us together but inviting if
[1:35:54] you explain to me how is that the
[1:35:56] statute up there that says you say
[1:36:00] whites only and less than their
[1:36:02] agreement because they stopped working
[1:36:04] and it was on there by Thome secondly
[1:36:08] CSA being placed there I'd like to see
[1:36:13] how in the world you can explain to me
[1:36:15] that that's not racist precision
[1:36:20] method of operating head thing and they
[1:36:24] don't
[1:36:26] [Music]
[1:36:29] a couple things John my count is in the
[1:36:45] Bible
[1:36:49] my count is into fire so then pose the
[1:37:18] question of whether or not there
[1:37:20] constitutes a consensus and I think by
[1:37:27] practical accountability apartment in
[1:37:29] Venice I mean that's a supermajority in
[1:37:31] the Senate but I think that the the
[1:37:35] notion of the other consensus is an
[1:37:38] artificial construct that the
[1:37:40] commissioners in I don't see anything
[1:37:42] wrong with their being being the split
[1:37:47] vote I don't think
[1:37:49] even Italy on this and I certainly think
[1:37:53] the peers it's acceptable to to give
[1:37:59] them two opinions of as to what ought to
[1:38:02] be done
[1:39:16] and they said no we're not going to
[1:39:25] leave them there so what it was is where
[1:39:32] we're going now
[1:39:34] and I think but I started on this
[1:39:41] committee
[1:39:59] a meeting with one of the Commission
[1:40:19] I resemble that so here's the statute
[1:40:26] out front and that was the
[1:40:28] recommendation are these in the
[1:40:30] discussion very large plaque be put
[1:40:33] underneath here explaining why si si
[1:40:49] Confederate principles are no longer
[1:40:54] applicable in this community very large
[1:40:57] plaque here and on either side place a
[1:41:03] television with a very large speaker to
[1:41:13] provide audio-visual and include
[1:41:19] conversations about the errors of the
[1:41:23] past to include conversation about the
[1:41:29] racial progress that has gone on in this
[1:41:34] community and also to talk about a
[1:41:37] redefining our rebranding
[1:41:41] so with this kind of context the next
[1:41:47] controversy comes who decides what's
[1:41:51] going to be written here and then what
[1:41:55] is enough for everybody
[1:41:57] we've already got 10 to 5 so when it
[1:42:02] comes time to write the script with two
[1:42:04] attorneys and on the wannabes how are we
[1:42:10] going to come to a consensus on what
[1:42:13] gets you but we can come to a consensus
[1:42:14] but once again it's not up to us this is
[1:42:18] our recommendation to the commissioners
[1:42:20] and then the hot potater is on their
[1:42:23] plate to take our recommendations and
[1:42:27] you just say ladies and gentlemen we are
[1:42:31] going to funnel them vigorously or where
[1:42:35] you'll do what we want to do in spite of
[1:42:37] all the work you've done so we have to
[1:42:40] do our job and place the potato with the
[1:42:43] commissioners so my question then is at
[1:42:46] our 10:00 to 5:00 could such a vehicle
[1:42:51] satisfy the five and leaving it there
[1:42:54] let's go to the five you tell if we had
[1:42:58] enough content a large flag here where
[1:43:01] nobody can walk through there every
[1:43:03] photograph that's taken of the statue
[1:43:05] has this conversation no more
[1:43:20] Thank You Councilwoman and then having a
[1:43:30] committee to come up with the
[1:43:34] conversations that would go on on the
[1:43:36] audiovisuals on the kiosk never here so
[1:43:40] I ask those of us that of the five would
[1:43:46] that be sufficient contacts you want to
[1:43:49] go first I'm not sure well I think that
[1:43:54] I have no problem that but I would ask
[1:43:57] you a set of all 15 of us because some
[1:44:00] of those who voted basically believe
[1:44:03] where it is use that some group might
[1:44:06] not like that okay and so I think hi I
[1:44:10] feel I'm just talk to you Coleman last
[1:44:17] Friday my feeling that I god is dead
[1:44:27] unless we are at 12 to 3 and you may or
[1:44:33] may not want to answer this lesson my
[1:44:36] buck was buying these 12 to 3 then our
[1:44:40] recommendation recommendation of
[1:44:43] recommendations would not be seriously
[1:44:46] considered and very well my lord well
[1:44:49] let's start with a 5 and then we'll go
[1:44:50] to the other - okay alfrid I guess
[1:44:55] education has been my pick I mean that
[1:44:58] one I believe in education I think
[1:45:01] that's the way the statutes that stands
[1:45:03] now it doesn't nothing not does nothing
[1:45:06] for educating us on the Civil War or by
[1:45:10] that statute
[1:45:12] so any kind of and one of the things
[1:45:13] that my concern is that the context
[1:45:16] would not overwhelm the stack statute
[1:45:19] that's one of the things one of the
[1:45:21] ladies that came and talked to us about
[1:45:22] the statue she says if you have a statue
[1:45:24] you can't overwhelm it with context
[1:45:27] because then you know otherwise it takes
[1:45:30] away from the statue so what you want to
[1:45:33] do is is basically make sure that what
[1:45:36] you have there I really like this idea I
[1:45:38] mean if we are forced to keep it there
[1:45:42] education make sure that the information
[1:45:45] is put there is correct and not continue
[1:45:49] them some of these myths that we you
[1:45:56] know we need to
[1:47:11] I mentioned terms topics and manner
[1:47:16] this is manner I'm fine at the man
[1:47:20] I think there's absolutely no reason
[1:47:22] whatsoever that we need to shrink from
[1:47:25] the very simple task of identifying the
[1:47:29] topics because boy is the devil in
[1:47:32] details on that I think that could be
[1:47:35] just about anything so we should
[1:47:37] disagree should not shrink for defining
[1:47:40] the topics that would constitute
[1:47:42] adequate contextualisation and I have
[1:47:45] not yet heard anyone respond to my call
[1:47:48] on terms and if you feel that when our
[1:47:52] brothers and sisters have said your blue
[1:47:55] design might neck please remove it if
[1:47:57] you really feel you do not have any
[1:47:59] obligation to respond and ask for their
[1:48:03] consent say so you know one thing
[1:48:15] now let's talk about topics in
[1:48:17] tournaments star what's gonna be on it
[1:48:26] replace it you get to go from two to
[1:48:29] five and then we're going to go to the
[1:48:30] others to get any but if I'm gonna
[1:48:36] preach it I have to price
[1:48:38] so here I've been talking about
[1:48:40] consensus and learning to come to the
[1:48:42] middle and walking other shoes and
[1:48:44] settle to seven so I don't get my way do
[1:48:51] a run away and say I'm not gonna play
[1:48:53] anymore
[1:48:57] [Music]
[1:48:59] if I don't get my way am I going to work
[1:49:02] to come a little closer to others and
[1:49:05] learn to live with some things if I
[1:49:08] don't have everything exactly the way I
[1:49:10] want
[1:49:11] I'm going to come a little closer and
[1:49:13] I'm learning to live but if it's too far
[1:49:16] the chasm is too wide it can't do that
[1:49:18] okay so that's why I say the
[1:49:20] conversation is and what the details
[1:49:23] aren't here what is the conversation
[1:49:25] here and then who does the the editing
[1:49:31] the creation the design of the audio
[1:49:34] visual with the context to me that's
[1:49:37] where the that's where the challenge is so if we
[1:49:42] got some of this I can live with that
[1:49:43] you're next
[1:49:45] well I love the idea what what bolder
[1:49:49] statement would there be
[1:49:51] then she basically block the entrance
[1:49:54] under the Confederate statue and saying
[1:49:56] you can't enter here why can't you
[1:49:58] because context because blacks couldn't
[1:50:03] drink from these water fountains so I
[1:50:05] love the boldness of getting people's
[1:50:08] attention they're gonna see it and go
[1:50:10] what do you mean I can't walk through
[1:50:11] there anymore we I don't think there's
[1:50:15] such a challenge in the context because
[1:50:19] I think there's more of a consensus
[1:50:21] there is no one here who says slavery
[1:50:26] was good we all condemned it we all
[1:50:28] condemned what our forefathers did I
[1:50:30] think that's our consensus I mean and
[1:50:33] you know Willie admitted that that he's
[1:50:36] guilty of judging people I mean you
[1:50:38] called us a racist because the color of
[1:50:40] my skin and and I am and I hear you okay
[1:50:44] I think that that our consensus though
[1:50:48] is that the context there will bring
[1:50:53] people together and I don't want to see
[1:50:58] this as a political argument for some of
[1:51:04] us who may be running for office I do
[1:51:07] not want to see chaos coming this and if and if Willie and I have to hold
[1:51:14] hands on the courthouse square or not
[1:51:15] I'll do that to avoid the chaos or
[1:51:19] political arguments coming out of this I
[1:51:22] think we also have to be cognizant of
[1:51:24] what you guys hit on if we go to the
[1:51:28] Commissioner's Court with an opinion
[1:51:33] that they cannot accept whether that be
[1:51:37] for financial reasons or political
[1:51:39] reasons or whatever we will have wasted
[1:51:42] all of our time and I don't know how
[1:51:45] many hours combined we have spent on
[1:51:47] this the last thing I want to see happen
[1:51:49] like Willie is for us to be sitting here
[1:51:51] 10 years from now having this argument
[1:51:53] again we've got to do something bold
[1:51:55] enough that puts the argument to rest
[1:52:08] [Music]
[1:52:15] suppression of any time where all the
[1:52:19] one where the Brotherhood of baking time
[1:52:22] and if we suppress any woman as wasn't
[1:52:29] human at night so hope you got to
[1:52:33] strategize each other
[1:52:35] barrows painful in the past and once my
[1:52:39] true that there's a common point that
[1:52:42] shows how far we've come
[1:52:44] this citizenship amendments to the
[1:52:48] United States Constitution
[1:52:50] just the house I can't say anything
[1:52:53] worse though I walked with the Secession
[1:52:58] Dartmouth of the sufficient whatever
[1:53:01] there was it was abominable we've got a
[1:53:08] counterpoint anywhere don't we have I
[1:53:12] think even one of us would destroy the
[1:53:17] statute if it would make crisis Ebola if
[1:53:21] it would alibi this all southern but
[1:53:27] someone might degrade point might be
[1:53:29] that was started that I'm not sure
[1:53:33] it wouldn't turn to that so it has they
[1:53:38] were thinking of us anyone else I don't
[1:53:53] like that I support that a hundred
[1:53:57] percent I think that's a great idea
[1:53:59] yes I move that the committee allow you
[1:54:06] to go before the commissioners court and
[1:54:09] report the results of our deliberations
[1:54:13] and that becomes another topic we have
[1:54:17] completed the task that was given to us
[1:54:23] in my statement I said I would be in
[1:54:27] favor of context yes I heard a second so
[1:54:37] we've got a motion on the floor and a
[1:54:39] second and me in the rules or we have
[1:54:42] discussion members and I believe by
[1:54:44] Roberts rules I get to speak first
[1:54:45] please thank you the other we've been
[1:54:51] very diligent and we've come to the
[1:54:55] conclusion that Commissioner's Court
[1:54:56] asked us to punt a we're there we can go
[1:55:00] on and talk about what's going to go on
[1:55:03] this contest
[1:56:00] but we're not all we're saying is
[1:56:02] content as far as to do with something
[1:56:06] like this we said yes but just to say
[1:56:09] context period not knowing what or how
[1:56:12] it's going to be done I'm not really in
[1:56:13] favor that's what scares me like you can
[1:56:16] go over there and just put in a little
[1:56:21] yeah so all in favor of this design is
[1:56:24] what we all like to offer a friendly
[1:56:26] amendment friendly amendment that will
[1:56:30] go so far as to say that the context
[1:56:33] should discuss slavery and segregation I
[1:56:38] will go so far as to say that the
[1:56:42] context should include what that
[1:56:45] committee presents to the Commissioner's
[1:56:48] Court with
[1:56:51] whatever committee they have to put
[1:56:53] together the content content is just
[1:56:58] before we call the question
[1:57:00] okay all right so the process of Joe and
[1:57:08] I finally see this is what you do the
[1:57:13] consistency is you come to something
[1:57:16] some greedy I want to just like afraid
[1:57:20] others we talked about a long time and
[1:57:22] all will have something throw over there
[1:57:25] were you what you want to be behind it
[1:57:32] but if you like to be a part of the
[1:57:40] conversation okay we'll make sure that
[1:57:49] when we go to commissioners as will say
[1:57:52] that these people we're going to
[1:57:54] recommend this and we these people have
[1:57:56] agreed to be a part of the conversation
[1:57:57] yes call that exhibit one way to call it
[1:58:09] something but it works well let me get
[1:58:13] there okay hold on one second - so we
[1:58:15] have a consent statute one we have a
[1:58:19] very large context within the archway -
[1:58:23] we have kiosks on either side three and
[1:58:29] they will cover three topics the
[1:58:33] veterans where they can be listed all
[1:58:38] the veterans of didn't and their bands
[1:58:41] right then we'll cover racial progress
[1:58:43] and they will also cover the history
[1:58:46] excuse me the future event okay okay I'm
[1:59:19] okay with that okay now so we've got let
[1:59:21] me read let me recap recap we got we got
[1:59:24] a call this eventually mr. harrangue I'm
[1:59:26] coming you got it eventually okay Tim
[1:59:29] you have your hand up I don't wanna
[1:59:31] leave yeah I think we all can see by
[1:59:34] what you've drawn there is what many of
[1:59:35] us have agreed to that we like is we
[1:59:38] have to do something bold we're going to
[1:59:40] do this we need to do something bold and
[1:59:42] so if we're going to use terms and
[1:59:45] things I think we need to put that in
[1:59:46] whatever we decide to submit to the
[1:59:49] commissioners that what they do adding
[1:59:52] context needs to be pulled regard to
[1:59:55] what put on there you know dr. Delaney
[1:59:58] came and spoke with us and we've had
[1:59:59] some really some great people give their
[2:00:03] opinions I think once we find people
[2:00:05] that are willing to be on the
[2:00:06] committee's - for these things we're not
[2:00:09] gonna have any trouble doing what we
[2:00:12] need and so we tell people now I don't
[2:00:14] think that you that you have to worry I
[2:00:16] think it's pretty clear what we want
[2:00:17] done and what's acceptable
[2:00:23] [Music]
[2:00:42] I'll be happy to get an artist rendering
[2:00:46] and then get one two three four five
[2:00:51] send it to all of you for your review
[2:00:55] and approval or disapproval so that by
[2:00:59] next Tuesday
[2:01:00] we'll have something to present
[2:01:02] physically to the commissioners say this
[2:01:05] is our recommendation yes okay and then
[2:01:08] if that's okay with you all of us will
[2:01:11] show up they can next Tuesday at the
[2:01:14] Commissioner's Court and testament that
[2:01:18] this is what we agreed to
[2:01:19] so if you okay with that I promise you
[2:01:22] I'll give you a few more hours of my
[2:01:24] work of my life do we still have your
[2:01:27] pleasure you know you now serve on the
[2:01:29] committee I haven't set up a post to it
[2:01:43] I'm asking for a little consideration to
[2:01:47] you know reach out to make it a more
[2:01:49] well you know so it's not like a joint a
[2:01:51] little more all hard so so all I ask is
[2:01:53] that is that I don't think that's really
[2:01:55] asking for very much it's not to say
[2:01:58] yeah sentencer and that we will seek the
[2:02:02] consent of the descendants of people as
[2:02:07] most of evidence if you allow me to send
[2:02:09] out the suggestion that at all and that
[2:02:13] you would include your wording so that I
[2:02:16] can I can have that when I circulate to
[2:02:18] everyone then we can agree on it or
[2:02:21] disagree so that when we come to the
[2:02:24] meeting next Tuesday we'll have a
[2:02:25] recommendation we had K and then will
[2:02:40] [Music]
[2:02:50] appear to be on is there certain person
[2:03:12] okay so there's two pieces what is some
[2:03:17] minimum statement of what must be
[2:03:20] included I'm aware having spoken with
[2:03:22] people with a said we have to put the
[2:03:24] plaque it shouldn't just be some man
[2:03:25] every statement that everything is okay
[2:03:28] we have to tell the truth well the truth
[2:03:30] about what and I think the two main
[2:03:32] things to be slavery and segregation so that one the second thing that you
[2:03:37] hear we talk about is a little
[2:03:38] complicated sounding is this idea of
[2:03:41] consent African American people
[2:03:44] descendants of enslaved people who lived
[2:03:47] around the corner were not considered or
[2:03:49] consultant in the in the decision to put
[2:03:53] the statuettes there in the public space
[2:03:55] it was an exertion of extreme privilege
[2:03:57] and we don't have to judge the past but
[2:04:01] we don't have to live there either
[2:04:02] and we have the opportunity today to be
[2:04:05] considerate of the constituencies that
[2:04:08] make up you know I think more than just
[2:04:17] my voice to figure out how to do it but
[2:04:18] you probably go back in the
[2:04:20] recommendation probably go back to the
[2:04:22] MLK Center you probably go to the to the
[2:04:25] churches and seek consent from a broad
[2:04:28] swath of that community and not subpoena
[2:04:30] the errors of mystery to this degree
[2:04:38] that we recommend this with the
[2:04:41] inclusion of tellings of slavery and
[2:04:46] segregation
[2:04:49] recommendation that the final execution
[2:04:52] you know of a statue extensive
[2:04:56] consultation in favor of the visual
[2:05:47] kiosks to talk about the three topics of
[2:05:50] racial progress talk about our veterans
[2:05:54] and then talk about our future and
[2:05:56] within that Paul even have a
[2:05:58] conversation about slavery it's all the
[2:06:04] progress the whole thing may I reach
[2:06:07] take my motion please my motion is that
[2:06:10] the committee asks you to respond to the
[2:06:16] Commissioner's Court that we have
[2:06:18] completed the questions that they gave
[2:06:20] us to answer and that we are
[2:06:23] recommending that the memorial the
[2:06:27] monuments think where it is and that
[2:06:30] context be adding let's let's not make
[2:06:33] this there's a lot of power in
[2:06:36] simplicity and we need to keep this
[2:06:38] simple
[2:06:39] thank you
[2:07:26] and we're still fighting it today a few
[2:07:30] more minutes is not going to resolve the
[2:07:32] issue I would like to think that we've
[2:07:35] concluded with our responsibilities and
[2:07:38] as I promised I will draft something and
[2:07:42] submit it to all of you for your review
[2:07:45] and either approval or disapproval I
[2:07:48] look them your input into what needs to
[2:07:54] be in this document so that once we were
[2:07:58] concluded we can make a recommendation
[2:08:00] in Commissioner's Court on Tuesday
[2:08:02] morning and also ask that everyone that
[2:08:05] can be there Tuesday morning for the
[2:08:09] recommendation to the committee to the
[2:08:11] commissioners it's at 9:00 a.m. on
[2:08:16] Tuesday morning and I'll now entertain a
[2:08:18] motion to so move those days thank you
[2:08:22] very much