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Good morning. I've just started the

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recording for y'all.

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>> Thank you.

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Can you hear me? Okay.

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>> Yes.

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>> New computer, so I was just checking.

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» Michael, do we have a quorum?

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Yes, chair. I think you've got at least

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All right. Listening on a jack. We could

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we can begin. Um,

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welcome. This is the

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July 29th at 9:00 a.m. for the appraisal

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division of real estate board meeting.

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Um, we're going to call it to order.

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Uh, first uh consideration on the agenda

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is for the approval of the minutes from

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the board meeting on June 24th, 2026.

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Have the board members had an

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opportunity to review the minutes? And

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if so, I'll look for a motion.

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>> I put forward a motion to approve the

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minutes.

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>> Second.

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>> There's been a motion to approve and

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second. All in favor say I.

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>> Any naysay?

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Uh the minutes pass.

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Uh, moving on to item agenda number two,

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public comment. Uh, it is now open for

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public comment. Is there anyone in the

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public that would like to make a comment

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at this point?

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I don't see a hand or an indicator.

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Is that correct? Anyone else see

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All right. Well, we'll close public

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comment and we'll move on to item agenda

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number three, division real estate

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reports. And we'll begin with the

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director's report. Uh, director Viea.

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>> Thank you, Chair. Um, the first thing I

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wanted to note is we're joined today by

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the board's new council, Assistant

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Attorney General Elliot Clark. So, uh,

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Elliott is here with us on the call. Um,

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previous to this, Elliot um had started

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representing the real estate commission

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as the commission's council um and has

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been an incredible resource for them so

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that they have their own legal counsel

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when they have any questions arise, any

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legal questions or need for legal

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advice. Um, and so I'm really excited

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for y'all to have him uh as a resource

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for you moving forward. Um, I wanted to

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touch on something that um, we received

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from the appraisal subcommittee recently

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that we're very excited about. Um so I

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think last time you met um we discussed

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that the appraisal subcommittee was uh

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conducting its routine 2-year compliance

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review of the division's appraiser and

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appraisal management company regulatory

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programs.

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um that consists of um a a transfer of

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documents and answering questionnaires

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and then um program managers from the

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ASC come on site with us and um review

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more files and ask questions. Um they

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then issue a preliminary finding uh and

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report to which we can respond. um those

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are not public documents but then they

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issue their final report and finding

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which we now have and I'm happy to

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report that the division's appraiser and

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AMC regulatory programs both received a

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rating of good which is the second

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highest rating and I will share with you

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right now

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um my screen

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if I can let's see

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um sorry about that actually I don't

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think I can share this um I was going to

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share with you the um ASC finding levels

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you have excellent good then needs

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improvement

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not satisfactory and then poor and they

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all come with different levels of

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monitoring and if a state um if their

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programs are rated poor it can have some

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serious consequences in terms of the

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validity validity excuse me of that

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state's credential and the reciprocity

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of those credentials and things like

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that. But um we've been rated good. I

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checked the ASC website this morning and

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our um final reports have not yet made

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it to their website, but I think they

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should be there soon. But I'll circulate

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these two board members following this

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meeting so that you can read it for

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yourself. But um I want to shout out um

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the division staff on this. They

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literally did everything here. not only

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the leg work in the past couple years to

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um make sure that we were really um

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paying attention to our compliance to

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the ASC policy statements, but even

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during the compliance review, I mean um

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our our staff, especially Bin Kalin, and

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Michael Jenko, um I really didn't do

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much when it came to this compliance

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review. They kind of ran the whole show.

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our head of licensing and education,

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Laurel North. Have to shout shout her

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out as well, um, for for her work. So,

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um, yeah, something we're really excited

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about, excited to be able to, um, to

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report to you. So, um, moving on to, um,

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board member Jensen is, um, has

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continued to serve with us, um, until we

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find a replacement. Uh Mike Jenko is

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actively working on that. We are looking

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for a representative of a registered

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AMC. So the AMC does need to be

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registered in Utah under our AMC law. Um

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uh Jenko is going to send out a

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communication to registered AMC's and

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then we think the application window is

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going to be about 2 weeks. Um and folks

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can apply just as you all did on the

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state boards and commissions website. Um

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technically the application window

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they're able to apply right now. So if

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you know someone from an AMC who you

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think would be a great addition to the

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board um please encourage them to apply

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and then we're going to follow the same

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process we did with most of y'all. Hold

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some interviews and then make a

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recommendation um up the chain. Um so I

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want to thank board member Jensen for

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his patience and continued service with

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us. We will certainly miss you when we

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do find a replacement. Um but that is is

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the update on that process. Um I

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received notice yesterday that they have

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extended the comment period on the

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second exposure draft of proposed

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changes to the real property appraiser

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qualification criteria until August 30th

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of 2026. So I did want to let the board

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know about that. Let anyone joining us

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from the public know about that. Like I

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said, I just received notice of this

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yesterday. I think the previous

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deadline. I'm not sure. Brien, you might

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need to remind me. I think it was the

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end of this month potentially.

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>> It was Monday.

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>> Monday. Monday. So, I think this is good

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>> Perfect. So, um I I think that's a good

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thing. It It sounds like um they're

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wanting more comments. So, I just wanted

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to put that out there. Um and then at

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our last meeting we were talking about

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kind of the function of an alternate

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member. So we are very fortunate to have

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an alternate member on this board, board

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member Frost. And um I did a little

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research into kind of how other

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licensing and certification boards um

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handle alternate members and if they

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have any rules or statutes kind of

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providing some guidance on the role of

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an alternate member. So,

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um, using one of our, um, amazing AI

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tools here that we have access to, I was

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able to, uh, have it sweep all 50

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states, but it ultimately honed in on 27

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licensing boards across 17 states. So, I

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started here with Doppel. They didn't

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uh, have any alternates. Um, and it's

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interesting the the question of the

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function or duties of an alternate

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member are rarely addressed in different

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states. Usually, it's like our law where

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it talks about when the alternate member

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votes in the basically in the event of a

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failure to achieve quorum. Um, but they

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don't really talk about the laws don't

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really talk about their function

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otherwise. Um, but a few states do.

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their I think it's one of their

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construction their construction board of

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appeal, construction boards of appeals.

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Um, provides that

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I apologize, I've got, per usual, way

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too many tabs going at once. Um their

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law provides that alternate members

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shall have the right to participate in

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all board deliberations but shall not

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vote unless serving in the place of a

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regular member. Um Oregon has some

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similar they have have two different

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public bodies that talk about that where

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alternate members can participate in all

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capacities except for voting. um and um

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talking about that they can attend

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meetings, that they can participate in

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discussions and deliberations.

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restrict even the attendance of an

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alternate at a meeting. Um which I

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thought was interesting that the

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alternate doesn't technically attend the

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meeting unless they're voting. Um, and

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know kind of what your feelings are and if you're interested in outlining um

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an alternate member for the appraiser

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board's function and duties in your

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administrative rule. um we can work to

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have some rule language options for you

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at your next meeting and then um you

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could um either either move to have us

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file a proposed rule or kind of send us

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back to the drawing board. Um I guess I

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should go over so rule making when it

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comes to uh the appraisal and AMC realms

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is kind of a collaborative effort

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between the division and the board. Um

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so unlike some boards that um have an

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advis an advisory function, you all are

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advisory but also policymaking. So the

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division and the board have to concur or

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agree for a rule to be made. um if the

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law provides that if if we cannot agree,

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the division um division has the final

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say, but typically um we're we're

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looking for that agreement before an

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administrative rule can be made. So um

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it's it's a little bit unique, but a

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really awesome uh feature of of the work

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we get to do together. So, um, that is

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why, um, I think I'd suggest if you are

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interested in putting this in rule and what you'd be interested in putting

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in rule, we can have some some drafts

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for you to review um, and for you to

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possibly take action on in your next

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meeting. So, um, how how do you all feel

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>> Um if you don't mind u director I'd like

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to recognize Elliot Clark um just for a

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well whatever Elliot Clark would like to

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add to this topic.

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>> Absolutely. Elliot.

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>> Thanks. No, nice to meet everyone. So,

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as Director Veette said, um I also

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represent the real estate commission and

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so I'm I'm looking forward to

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representing you guys as well. Uh this

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is a good conversation. So, the email I

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sent just sort of laid out my my

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thoughts on how to utilize the alternate

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board member. I think everything you've

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just heard from Director Veette is spot

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on. Um it's interesting to hear how

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other states handle alternate board

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members because this is sort of a new

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thing for me. I don't think any of my

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boards have have had alternate board

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members. But as far as, you know, sort

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of formalizing how you want to handle it

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going forward, you do certainly have the

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option to do that in an administrative

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rule. I don't know that you really even

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have to, though. Um, if you want to just

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sort of, you know, as you go into closed

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meetings, if you want to include the

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board member, you can just specify that

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the include the alternate board member,

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you can just specify that in the motion.

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So, um, you can be as formal as you want

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or you don't really even have to. As

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long as we're sort of clear on the

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record at any given meeting how we're handling it, I think that's

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fine as well. So,

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» thank you. Um, we'll open it up to any

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board members that have any questions at

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this point.

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>> So, I I would rather have something

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formalized. I think um my initial

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thought is it's a little unfair to the

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alternate um to not know, you know, to

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prepare for a meeting, not know whether

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they're going to go into close um you

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know, did they get the material? Are

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they are they being included in the prep

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um documents?

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So I while while I appreciate um

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that we we can make it within the

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motion, I think maybe having some

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consistency, having some sort of

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framework even even on a minimal basis

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would be ideal. Um and and my other

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thought also was

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um we have a an alternate member for the

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residential appraisal portion but we

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don't have one for the commercial and um

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or the AMC.

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I I think commercial and residential are

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the ones most likely to have some sort

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of you know if there was an issue that

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came up commercial from a commercial

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standpoint and Chris wasn't able to

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attend. I would really struggle to to

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say how how should we handle that and I would ask that you know say hey we must you know we probably need to

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postpone this action. Um, so, so that

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was one other random thought, not

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necessarily about the duties of of the

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alternate, but I I really like the idea,

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um, of having an alternate, just I think

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that we ought to probably have something

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a little bit more formal than just

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including in a in a minute. I I did

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appreciate uh, director, all of your searching and and how different um,

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states handle different things. So,

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thank you.

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» I'd be happy to work I'd be happy to

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work on and maybe even suggest to

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council uh some sort of framework in the

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next week or so that we could then

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present. Um and maybe we want to do that

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each of us kind of look at some ideas um

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think about how those are being and I I

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would certainly ask um

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Mr. Pro Joel. I'm just going to call you

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Joel. we're friends.

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I I was would ask Joel to also, you

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know, voice in on on his opinion. He's

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the one in that role and and uh the

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trailblazer pioneer um as it would be

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for for this position. So, you know,

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maybe he can he can help us carve this

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out as well. Um so, that that would be

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my my recommendation.

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» Thank you. Um,

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we we'll turn some time to Joel Frost if

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he would like to say anything. I don't

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see a hand raised, but I know he's

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present.

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>> Yeah, I'm here. Can you guys hear me?

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>> Yeah, you're good.

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>> Uh, yeah. I I just in doing this, I I

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I'm planning on showing up to these

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meetings. If I'm needed, I'll jump in.

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Um, like it would be hard if I didn't

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have the prep material. It would be

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difficult if I

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needed to jump in like someone lost

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internet and I had to jump in to a close

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a closed sec executive session when I

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hadn't heard the first part of it. I

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just could create catching me up to

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speed and I might miss some stuff. So I

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think like like for me if I'm going to

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be there and be utilized I would want to

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just have all of it there have all the

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information um and not have to try to

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piece it back together and and and

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patchwork

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a quorum. So I and I don't see it's it's

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not a problem for me to just be there.

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Um I would, you know, as long as I can

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ask questions. I don't need I don't need

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to vote, but I might have some questions

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along the way just to make sure I if I'm

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called on could perform the duty. And I I do think

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any question I might have probably helps

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everybody out, you know. So I do have a

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little bit of experience. We all have

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our own expertise. So anyway, that's my take is I I would like to see

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that I'm just there. I don't vote ever

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unless you guys tell me we need you to

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vote and then I'll vote. That's kind of

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how I see the process going.

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Well, well, well, in my perfect world,

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that's how it would go for me.

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>> Uh, any other comments from board

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members?

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>> I'll say a couple of things. First of

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all, I I agree with Jared, you know, but

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we could do it just through motions or

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whatever. It would be very arbitrary and

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be very probably different every single

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time. And it would be like, what are we

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going to do? And yeah, that's not fair

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to Joel.

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And uh for anybody currently, Joel is in

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this position, but everybody else will

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be in this position following him. Um,

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you know, the the if the if the if the

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position is important enough to create,

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it's important enough for us to be uh

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considering his input and um

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and and to avail him of all of the

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information that he'll need so that at a

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moment's notice, he can step in when we

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need him to or when the situation is is

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needed. And uh again I I made this

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comment in the last meeting. Um I kind

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of view it like as a alternate on a

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juror. A jury that alternate

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you know needs to be in deliberation. He

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needs to hear the evidence. He needs to

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be availed of all of the all of the

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information that the entire jury was

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availed. And if needed then at the end

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of the trial he can step in. And if he

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doesn't if he doesn't need to step in

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and vote so to speak then great. But you

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know and even in addition to that you

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know having him in his voice and his

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perspective his background in our in our

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board is going to be valuable. So

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I think

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I agree. move forward, formalize it,

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state what the duties are, make it clear

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and you know and if there needs to be

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some adjustment down the road on that,

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you know, we can make that adjustment

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and then we can be an example to other

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agencies, you know, on how it works and uh hopefully be of some benefit to

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other uh groups or agencies.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Uh any other comments from

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any other board members?

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» Seeing none, I just got one clarifying

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question. Um rule making, we have the

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authority for rule making. Typically, we

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don't make rules unless it's identified

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as a need in the statute. It usually

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calls out or per rule per rule. Um,

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I I believe and I agree with with what's

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been said, this should be more

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formalized. Um, that way going forward,

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um, there's going to be a point when all

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of us aren't going to be here. So, it

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would be nice for consistency.

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Um, but is is that are we are we going

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to have an issue with rule making if

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it's not cited in code that this item is

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open to rule making if that makes sense?

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» I think I'd have I think uh Justin

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Barney might be our best. He's our um

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rule making uh afficionado here at the

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division.

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>> Yes. Let let me just address that and

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certainly I'm happy to review that with

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Elliot. We can get a response for the

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board. Uh so Chair Pollson, you're

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correct. The uh ability to make rules

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depends on it's an extension of

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authority from the legislature. And so

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we can only make rules about uh matters

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that we are able to do. So, I'm guessing

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at this point we probably would have

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authority to do that, but we need to

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just go through that and I'm happy to do

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that. Elliot and I can look at that and

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let the board know. Uh, if there's not,

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then it would require a legislative

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action to grant that authority, but I I believe it may be included in there,

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but we will look at that and get back to

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you if that's okay.

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>> Thank you. Um, Mr. Elliot, go ahead,

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Elliot Clark.

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>> Sure. Yeah. So, I think Justin's exactly

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right. Um, we'll connect and we'll

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decide if the admin rule um is an

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option. Um, even if it's not, there's no

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reason you couldn't adopt

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just a a policy that governs that

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governs the board's practice. I mean,

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that would be administrative rules have

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the force of law. um you know if you if

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you adopt it pursuant to the authority

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given to you in statute just a board

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policy would be a little less

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enforceable than that but still it would

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be something it would be a formalized

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written document that says here's how we

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handle things going forward and so

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that's an option too if we decide that

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admin rulem is not is not an available

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avenue but we can look at that and we'll

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be in touch

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>> thank you thank you Jared you got your

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hand up

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>> yeah I was going down that same track um

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we could have admin we could have a

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board policy and procedures and um you

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know how we handle um we could formalize

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it in that way. I'm

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as as the conversation's been going, one

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other thought came to mind that this

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board

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I I think above other, you know, above

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all others, we have ethics rules that we

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follow as appraisers. We have standards.

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We don't want to be biased. Um, we want

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to be objective and and I would hate for

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uh someone to accuse us in the future of

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saying, "Well, you didn't let Joel was

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supportive of my my action or whatever

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and you didn't let him talk because that

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day my stuff was coming up or something

538
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like that, you know, where where we're

539
00:24:59,679 --> 00:25:02,720
so randomized that it opens us up for

540
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,120
question. It opens up our integrity,

541
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,600
question of our integrity. It opens up

542
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,400
um questions of the action. I've heard,

543
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
you know, other appraisers as I've

544
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,360
participated nationally

545
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,760
um say, "Oh, my board is always going

546
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,960
after one individual or my board is

547
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,240
biased against folks from this from from

548
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,400
the area that I work or something." And that's very unfortunate that they

549
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,919
get that impression that the board um

550
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:35,279
isn't consistent. And so I think at

551
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:37,120
minimum, you know, it'll be really good

552
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,559
to see I would love to see some

553
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,360
administrative rule, but but minimum we

554
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,640
should create some sort of um policy and

555
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640
procedures and and that would be a

556
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,080
document that governs and and um you

557
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,440
know and we could include other things

558
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600
in there as well, not just the alternate

559
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,000
um uh board, the components of an

560
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,400
alternate board member, but you know, I

561
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,679
think

562
00:25:59,679 --> 00:26:01,440
>> um there's there's other just having

563
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,600
gone through that training that

564
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,520
director, you asked us to go through.

565
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,200
There were some things there that, you

566
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,440
know, maybe as as a board we recognize

567
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,440
and we say that's our policy as well. We

568
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,279
adopt that and say this is our policy

569
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,679
and procedure. There were some a few

570
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:17,120
items in there that I thought were

571
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,480
excellent that uh we could recognize. Um

572
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,120
so anyway, that was my thought. Um

573
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,200
Elliot went right down the same thought

574
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,000
path that I had. So

575
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,840
>> good, good. Um I'll

576
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,159
to me it it appears I mean we're all on

577
00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:36,080
the same page. We we want to make sure

578
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,760
that this is done right. Um so that

579
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,080
going forward like I said even after we

580
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,840
leave there won't be a question. So I'll

581
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,000
turn the time back over to the director

582
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,960
to continue on with u

583
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,799
her part of the part of the meeting.

584
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,960
>> Thank you chair. That is actually the

585
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,720
end of what I have to report to you, but

586
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,480
I'm happy to answer any questions any

587
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,630
board members may have.

588
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,559
» I've got a question. You mentioned that

589
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,720
you're going to be filling the the board

590
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,279
position with an member of the AMC and

591
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,200
if we had recommendations, let you know

592
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,159
about that. Now, does that mean is that

593
00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:20,000
like a banker like like a guy a guy at a

594
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200
bank who is an appraiser who orders

595
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,360
appraisals?

596
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,679
Is that somebody that you're

597
00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:30,000
considering? I mean, what what is the

598
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,559
definition of an AMC?

599
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,200
Is it a bank? Is it a bank's review

600
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,760
appra appraisal review department?

601
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,240
>> Uh, no. So it would be um an appraisal

602
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,640
management company that is registered

603
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,600
with the division as an appraisal

604
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,880
management company. So unless the entity

605
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:58,640
is registered with us as that um the the person from that entity would not

606
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,000
qualify for board member Jensen's seat.

607
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,960
>> Okay. All right. So, I have several

608
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,039
people that I would maybe recommend, but

609
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,640
yeah, they're they're more like in the

610
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,720
banking world,

611
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,720
appraisal review world of banks and

612
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,320
ordering appraisals that way rather

613
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,399
than,

614
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:20,000
you know, AMC.

615
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,919
>> Board member Frost, I see you have your

616
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,120
hand up.

617
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,799
>> Yeah. So, I ju just to clarify a little

618
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,720
bit more on Chris. So, so essentially

619
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,679
you have banks that decide to use AMC's

620
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:31,200
and you have banks that decide to hire

621
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,279
an in-house appraisal management

622
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,760
department. And we're only looking for

623
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,520
people who work for AMC's

624
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,240
um not like internal employees of banks

625
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,600
that work for the risk management

626
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,990
department of the bank. Is that right?

627
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,520
» I I think it's more are they registered

628
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,360
as an AMC with the division or not? All

629
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,000
right.

630
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,279
>> You got to be registered as name as you

631
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:55,919
can. Cool.

632
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:58,640
>> Yeah. Okay.

633
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,200
>> Any other question?

634
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,039
>> Part of the reason part of the reason

635
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:05,440
for that distinction is the board has

636
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,320
uh rights to discipline slash

637
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,760
uh right rules that affect AMC's

638
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,039
specifically. They do not affect banks

639
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,760
or employees of banks.

640
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,399
So that's kind of been my role is to

641
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,799
watch for that or bring up anything that

642
00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:32,470
might affect the AMC as a organization.

643
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,720
» Jared, you you had your hand up, Jared.

644
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Sorry, I

645
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,559
>> I turned the time over to the director

646
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,399
and I keep stomping on it.

647
00:29:40,399 --> 00:29:42,080
>> Hey, no, you're good.

648
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,120
>> So um so question Ron for director and

649
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,320
Ron. Um,

650
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,279
does the AMC have to designate a member

651
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,720
to be it's it's not an an AMC that's

652
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520
represented on it's an it's a particular

653
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,039
person from that AMC is my would be my

654
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,520
understanding. And so Ron, is there

655
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,760
someone in your company that you would

656
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,120
recommend? Um, I I'm very partial like

657
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,440
one of my thoughts is it needs to be

658
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,039
somebody that's more familiar with Utah.

659
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,240
I'd hate to get some national AMC that

660
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,159
really doesn't

661
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,720
have ties to Utah other than they order

662
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,120
a few appraisals um you know every once

663
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,600
in a while and you know maybe they

664
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,279
broadcast them the wrong way and they do

665
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,000
a bunch of other stuff. So so I like I

666
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,720
I've really liked having Ron and and um

667
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640
his company

668
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,960
as participating in the board because he

669
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,440
knows more so what we're dealing with

670
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320
here in Utah. Um, and so could it be

671
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,279
somebody that is, you know, in your in

672
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,360
your company, Ron? Do you have somebody

673
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,520
that would that would be recommended to

674
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,720
take your spot or are there other AMC's

675
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,919
in Utah that you that you think would fill that spot? Um, as well, um,

676
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:05,520
I do have two sons that work for me. One

677
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,440
is a certified residential appraiser and

678
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,360
the other does all of our customer

679
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,120
service work. Jay and if it I didn't

680
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,520
realize it would be

681
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,960
I thought you were looking for a

682
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,399
separate other AMC but I would sure

683
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,600
proposed uh one of my sons to fill that

684
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,320
role if you're okay with staying with

685
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
the same

686
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,000
>> I don't think we have to switch

687
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,080
companies. I I think if it's an

688
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,000
individual, at least that's my my

689
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
thought director is that, you know, um

690
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,080
Ron's AMC is very well respected within

691
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,039
the state from appraisers. Um my

692
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,120
interaction with him has been on a very

693
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,799
professional level throughout the the

694
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,880
years and I think his input and

695
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,279
understanding of state law, uh how

696
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,120
things are. He gets as frustrated with

697
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,760
AMC's that don't follow state law as

698
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,559
anybody does. Um, and we've had those

699
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:04,480
discussions before. And so, um, to me,

700
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
that's kind of I would say don't

701
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,679
exclude,

702
00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:11,200
you know, his company out of that

703
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,960
consideration, someone from his company

704
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,640
out of that consideration. So, that that

705
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,919
would be a recommendation that I would

706
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,519
have.

707
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,519
>> Thank you. That's that's really helpful

708
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,880
for us to um keep in mind as we're

709
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,120
entering this process the the importance

710
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,039
to the board of the AMC members. um

711
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,679
awareness and and participation in the

712
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,960
appraisal community here in Utah. I'll

713
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,159
have to double check. I don't think

714
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:37,679
there is anything in law that would

715
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:41,279
prohibit um a representative from the

716
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:44,960
same AMC um from becoming the next board

717
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,640
member. Like I said, I'll have to double

718
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,200
check, but I don't um I don't think

719
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,720
there's anything that would prevent

720
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,399
that. So, I would say um you know uh

721
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:57,120
board member Jensen or anyone else who's

722
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,919
on the call if if you've got folks who

723
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:01,919
are interested and who you think would

724
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:04,720
be great and we can certainly take this

725
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,200
recommendation um board member Pricer or

726
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,159
excuse me, Vice Chair Pricer um into consideration as part of that

727
00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:16,070
process.

728
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,480
every every board member is defined by

729
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,640
code as to how that board seat is

730
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640
filled. And I don't believe there's

731
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,399
anything in code that would prohibit

732
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:27,840
what has just been talked about. So

733
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,440
the other thing we can do is we can slow

734
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200
down the process and then Ron will be

735
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,279
around for a couple more years. So

736
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:39,590
>> we could always

737
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,600
» happy to stay. I'm pretty sure I'll be

738
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,200
retired, but if you're okay with a

739
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,630
retired

740
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,320
anyway, uh, anything else, director,

741
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,720
>> that is it for me. Thank you.

742
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,559
>> Thank you.

743
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,600
Um, moving on to licensing and

744
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,720
education. Uh, Laurel North.

745
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,279
>> Hi. Thank you, Chair Pollson.

746
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,760
Now that caravan is in our rearview

747
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,040
mirror, IDW planning

748
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,240
is upon us. We've um been thinking about

749
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,200
this, but we are proposing to modernize

750
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Utah's two-year instructure instructor

751
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,359
development workshop requirement for

752
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:24,079
pre-licicensing instructors. The current

753
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,960
rules are the strictest in our region.

754
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520
or nearby states don't require IDW at

755
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,520
all, which creates unnecessary

756
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,599
administrative burdens and stops top

757
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:36,000
national instructors, of which we have

758
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,560
many in the appraisal arena from

759
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,240
teaching in Utah due to the cost of

760
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,320
attendance. To fix this, we want to give

761
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,040
instructors flexible, modern ways to

762
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,200
keep their credentials such as holding

763
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,679
national teaching designations or

764
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,320
attending approved educator conferences.

765
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,320
That's kind of open for discussion. what

766
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,560
the requirement would be, but I want to

767
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,200
make it easier and more flexible and

768
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,720
still maintain our high quality of

769
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,680
educators. If the board approves this

770
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,440
concept, we will collect feedback um

771
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,040
from whomever you especially

772
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920
uh the ne until the next board meeting.

773
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,040
And if that's okay with you, I presented

774
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,880
this to the real estate board a couple

775
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,480
weeks ago and they were all for it. So,

776
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,400
I gave them a longer presentation. This

777
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,280
one's shorter. Um, so if you want more

778
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,599
details, I can give it to you. But if

779
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,880
you want to shoot comments to me or

780
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,560
anyone of our management and our

781
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,800
division staff, they can get them over

782
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,280
to me. We can uh chat about that. If uh

783
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,200
it sounds like a great idea and you're

784
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,520
for it, we will plan on presenting

785
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,560
formal draft rules for your review at

786
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,800
the next meeting. Do you have any

787
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:59,190
comments about that idea?

788
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,349
» Open it up to the board. Jared,

789
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:06,160
I'm currently an instructor. Um, and I

790
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,800
think it's a fantastic idea. Um, I also

791
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,079
serve as our education chair for our

792
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:13,920
local for the appraisal institute local

793
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,480
chapter and I serve on several of the

794
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,839
education committees developing material

795
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,400
and uh for the appraisal institute

796
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,599
nationally and I would be more than

797
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:30,480
happy to to sit down and visit with you, know, one-on-one. Um, if you want to

798
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,760
just reach out to me, you know,

799
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,520
block out 30 minutes, an hour, whatever

800
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680
we need. Um I I'd be more than happy to

801
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,200
give some national insight some if

802
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,119
there's some questions but um I I think

803
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,960
my impression is is that there's a lot

804
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,760
of of because there's been so much

805
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160
change going through COVID instructors

806
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,960
the way we instruct now the institute is

807
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,040
actually reooking at how they're they're

808
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,839
vetting and um and credentiing their

809
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:03,920
instructors as well to kind of keep up

810
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,839
with the times the um

811
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,160
you know, so so I'm I'm all for this. I

812
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,599
think this is a great um you know, a

813
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,720
great move and and very very important

814
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,200
topic right now. Very current. So So

815
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,160
thank you. But I I I'm all for it.

816
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,079
>> Thank you. That's that's very meaningful

817
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,599
coming from you, Jared. So I appreciate

818
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,680
that and I will reach out so we can

819
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,599
discuss that. I want to get it I want to

820
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,760
get it right and I want it to be

821
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
progressive, modern and most of all just

822
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,680
helpful to the educators. So, thank you.

823
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Anyone else think

824
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,119
have any thoughts on that?

825
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:48,160
All right. Uh let me go on. I just have

826
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,760
a short little bit here. Uh just the

827
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,760
usual.

828
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320
Uh, we did not process any approvals or

829
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,160
denials for certified and licensed

830
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,880
appraiser exam candidates this past

831
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,760
month. Our yes answer spreadsheet is

832
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,640
short, just one. We had Peter Pollos was

833
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
approved to receive two separate

834
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,000
temporary certified general permits.

835
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,079
And then as we move on to the stats, we

836
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,599
have a little bit of bump up. So I'm

837
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,400
happy to see across the board growth in

838
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640
appraiser categories. Every single

839
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,640
individual appraiser category saw net

840
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,599
gains from May to June. Led by certified

841
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,760
residential, we have a plus five

842
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,320
licensed appraisers plus three.

843
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,240
Continuing education instructors

844
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,320
increased from 93 to 95. And our AMC

845
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,760
growth was also a plus one.

846
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,640
We don't have any experience reviews for

847
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,400
your consideration today. We don't have

848
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,040
experience reviews scheduled for August.

849
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,880
And that's all I have for you unless you

850
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:56,950
have questions.

851
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,720
» All right, seeing no questions, uh Oh,

852
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,000
Jared, you've got a question.

853
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
>> Sorry. Um I I have lots of questions. Um

854
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,079
but only one for you, Laurel. Um

855
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:19,119
part of the um proposed uh change in the

856
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,040
licensing

857
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,000
uh deals with putting the exam in front

858
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,839
of experience and I was just wondering

859
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:29,280
personally if you've had a chance to

860
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,960
look at that part on what your thoughts

861
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,440
would be. So the idea is that in many

862
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,000
industries you do all of your schooling

863
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,920
then you take the exam. For example, the

864
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,960
bar exam um comes right after law

865
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,800
school. My son's a doctor. His his um

866
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,119
boards um were right after school and

867
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:54,000
then he goes through a uh an internship.

868
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,240
He's in residency is what they call it

869
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,240
and then he'll do additional boards

870
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,320
after that. And I was just from your

871
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,240
perspective as as dealing with education

872
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,880
and and everything, is there something

873
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,720
that your thoughts on that? Is that a

874
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,800
good idea to do the testing more closely

875
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,560
to the education side um for entrance

876
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,839
into the profession or or are you more

877
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:19,280
in favor of doing it after the

878
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,240
experience um like it is currently? And

879
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:23,599
I I hate to put you on the spot. If you

880
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:24,800
haven't had a chance to think about it,

881
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,320
then that's okay. But

882
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,320
>> well, I have I mean I have thoughts

883
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,720
about appraisals in general, right? And

884
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,280
making this easier for them and growing

885
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,960
the business and getting them paid

886
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,280
sooner and all of those kind of things.

887
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,960
I haven't specifically thought about

888
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,720
when to test. So I am I am open to your

889
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,839
thoughts about this if it may I it seems

890
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:47,200
kind of backwards to me about

891
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,920
professions like you said with your uh

892
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,880
doctor experience and I don't know how

893
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,640
much I can change that like how much of

894
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
this is nationally regulated but if you

895
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,640
want to pursue this I want to pursue

896
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,839
this so maybe we can chat about that too

897
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,560
when we meet up. that would that that

898
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,400
would be great and I think for the other

899
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,240
board members that's one of those things

900
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,160
that are kind of in that change that we

901
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,400
can think of but thank you Laurel I we

902
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,000
can talk about it when we when we meet

903
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,119
together so

904
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:19,119
>> great I look forward to it so

905
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,760
>> thank you

906
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,800
>> Michael you had your hand up

907
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,520
>> I was just going to add something um I

908
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,200
was just on a call and this was

909
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,680
discussed and a lot of folks felt that

910
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,920
um they were okay with doing the exam

911
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,520
after their education and I sort of feel

912
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,680
both ways. I mean I think you know

913
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,760
taking your education getting the

914
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,240
experience like that builds upon your

915
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,880
knowledge to then pass the exam.

916
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,720
However, some appraisers in the call

917
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,720
were like, well, you know, some of the

918
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,280
things on the test aren't necessarily

919
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,319
things that you would, you know, know

920
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,800
from doing your everyday practice of

921
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,280
like when was FIRA introduced and, you

922
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
know, sort of stuff like that. Um, I was

923
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,520
always in the train of thought of you

924
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,359
take your QE, you get your experience,

925
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:11,760
then you take your exam because I would

926
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,280
I don't know if this would, you know, be

927
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,599
true, but my initial thought was maybe

928
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,520
some applicants would be like, well,

929
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,720
I've got my QE, I've passed the exam,

930
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,319
why can't I just go out and practice?

931
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:24,480
Why do I now have to show experience and

932
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,319
then you tell me my reports are and use

933
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:29,119
PAP compliant and whatnot? Um, however,

934
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:30,560
I could see it from both ways. That's

935
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,880
just my two cents. Yeah, Michael, I

936
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,400
think that's, you know, that's a great

937
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,960
perspective, too. So, my son, you know,

938
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,440
in residency, even though he'd passed

939
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
all the exams, he couldn't administer a

940
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,680
prescription, for example, until he

941
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,880
passed another certain steps. So, he's fourth year now. Well, a third year

942
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,520
he could start prescribing. And so,

943
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,280
there's these benchmarks along the way

944
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,280
just because you've had the education. I

945
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,880
mean, that goes back to the days when I

946
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,240
became an appraiser and we just had

947
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:01,680
registration. We didn't even have

948
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,359
licensing. We I was a registered

949
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:08,000
appraiser. Um and so so I I can see

950
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,079
their concern. I you know I have the

951
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,200
fortunate misfortune burden of helping

952
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,839
write the exam questions for the entry

953
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,520
into the exam. And we're always looking

954
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,760
at what's the minimum

955
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,359
um what's the the minimum

956
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:26,960
viable

957
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,119
product that we want. what we're not

958
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,599
asking these incredibly tough questions,

959
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,079
but if you've had your education two

960
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,000
years ago, it's taken you two years to

961
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,440
find a supervisor and get the

962
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,839
experience. It's almost like you have to

963
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:42,000
go back and relearn some of those

964
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,040
things. Um, as a supervisor, I didn't

965
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,880
sit and quiz my trainees on certain

966
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,240
aspects of USPAP or certain aspects of, you know, fundamentals.

967
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,800
um I was just more showing them how we

968
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,119
put this in place in practice. And so

969
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,440
anyway, it's it's an it is one of those

970
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,119
things I think that that the

971
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:06,880
standards

972
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,119
uh standards board criteria board, I

973
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,400
don't remember which one it is that's

974
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,079
doing this, um is is wrestling with. I

975
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,200
think that this is where a lot of the

976
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,640
comments have come and why they've

977
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,560
extended the comment period to be able

978
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,640
to get some additional. And so I like

979
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200
that. I I like just getting I think as a

980
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,440
board my recommendation later is going

981
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680
to be that we do a formal I had

982
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,200
something almost worked up by the

983
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,920
deadline but I just ran out of time to

984
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,119
present to everyone. Um it's still in

985
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:40,160
extremely draft mode. Um and and I I

986
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,920
I'll be prepared in the next day or two

987
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,480
to get that out to everybody to review.

988
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,240
Um, but this is this is one of those

989
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:51,440
sticky parts in the change uh proposed

990
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,319
changes

991
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,960
and and sorry Laurel to hijack your

992
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,440
agenda item on here, but this is kind of

993
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,839
all about licensing and education

994
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:04,000
everything. This is a a good spot, I

995
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,760
think, to to put this in. So,

996
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,440
>> I think that's great. I'd make to make

997
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,280
I'd like to I'd like to make the change,

998
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,400
honestly, is my first gut. um thing, but

999
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,400
I need guidance from people like you.

1000
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,480
And I I appreciate uh team member Jenko

1001
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,359
saying uh you know sharing his thoughts

1002
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:26,480
because I I consider those heavily. So

1003
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,160
let let's talk about it. See what we can

1004
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,630
do.

1005
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,640
» I've just got one comment on this.

1006
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,200
As board members, we receive um

1007
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,520
appraisals that are supposed to be based

1008
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,359
on what the applicant has done. Uh in

1009
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,119
reality, when you're going for a

1010
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,800
license,

1011
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,720
it's not your work. Uh we are always

1012
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,760
critiquing the trainee trainer, not the

1013
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,520
trainee.

1014
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520
And if there was a way that we could

1015
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,319
require one or two appraisals that are

1016
00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:08,720
specific to the applicant's work,

1017
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,400
I think that would be more beneficial

1018
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,560
because we've we often

1019
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,280
glean no no true information out of

1020
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,839
these appraisals other than

1021
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:21,920
was the trainer qualified or not

1022
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,880
qualified, which at that point shouldn't

1023
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,680
even be a question. But that's really

1024
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,000
what we're looking at is we're asking

1025
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,720
questions to the trainee

1026
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:37,760
and the trainee a lot of times has not a

1027
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,960
lot of input into what we're trying to

1028
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,280
do as criteria or question them on if

1029
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,000
that makes sense. Yeah,

1030
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,520
>> Chris, that does like I I think if I I

1031
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,000
mean I've trained seven

1032
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,520
um not all of them made it uh past my

1033
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,359
90day critique of them. I I start off by

1034
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:01,119
saying, "Look, I'm we're going to do

1035
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:03,920
this for 90 days and if and if I if

1036
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,839
you're just not getting the concepts, I

1037
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:07,200
am going to recommend that maybe you

1038
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,680
look at another career." Um, there are

1039
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,440
some inherent things I think in our

1040
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:12,880
career that if you're just not getting

1041
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,599
it, it you probably never will. Um, but

1042
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:20,000
I would love to have had someone come to

1043
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,760
me and say, "Look, I've done my

1044
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,720
education. I passed the exam. Can you

1045
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,560
train me or can you help me with my

1046
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,280
experience?" that all of a sudden I know

1047
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,200
now they're getting a certain aspect of

1048
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,760
the the process and we're not spinning

1049
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,800
wheels and I'm not rebuilding I'm not

1050
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,280
rebuilding on concepts because they pass

1051
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,520
that. Interestingly enough the entry

1052
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,400
exam the licensed entry exam has a pass

1053
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,800
ratio of 62%. Nationally 62% the first

1054
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,359
time and the second time you p the

1055
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:56,000
second time takers it doesn't increase

1056
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,440
very much. It's like I I think it was

1057
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,359
15% pass it the second time. Well, that

1058
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,000
either means that um you know it's been

1059
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,119
way too long since they they you know

1060
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,280
they they had the education or they're

1061
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,400
just not going to make it in the

1062
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,560
industry. And um and and our goal when

1063
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,760
we're writing those questions is to

1064
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,160
minimally test test for minimal

1065
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,599
competency and not these aren't really

1066
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,880
super tough questions um that that

1067
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,000
they're encountering. Um, and so having

1068
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,200
that in that spot prior to trying to

1069
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,160
find a supervisor or go down that path,

1070
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,240
uh, is to me kind of a good from a a

1071
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,440
supervisor perspective. Um, there's some

1072
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,359
advantages. There's some advantages to

1073
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:52,549
that.

1074
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:58,309
» Any other questions from board members?

1075
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:03,119
» Thank you. Um, we'll move on.

1076
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,079
Uh, let's see. Where are we?

1077
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,680
We're to board and industry issues with

1078
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,160
Justin Barney.

1079
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,319
>> Yes. Thank you. I appreciate the

1080
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:18,319
opportunity to address the board. The uh

1081
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,640
the division does not have any proposed

1082
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,559
rule amendments right now. we've talked

1083
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,119
about some possible changes that could

1084
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,520
be upcoming in this meeting and I'm

1085
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,640
happy to uh be involved in in that

1086
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,960
process. So, uh, I, as I said, I don't

1087
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,480
have anything for the board's

1088
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,839
consideration today, but, uh, we'll look

1089
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:42,000
into into these items that have been

1090
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,400
discussed and, uh, come back to the

1091
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,920
board at a future time to, uh, discuss

1092
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,960
whether any changes in the

1093
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,040
administrative rule can or should be

1094
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,520
made. So, it's all that I have unless

1095
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:02,390
you have some questions for me.

1096
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Seeing no questions, thank you. Thank

1097
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:06,480
you.

1098
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,040
>> We will move on to

1099
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,040
enforcement with Brenn Kalin.

1100
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,200
>> Good morning. Thank you. I'd like to

1101
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,599
start off uh with the update on our

1102
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:19,680
current case management and enforcement

1103
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,559
activity. Right now, the division is

1104
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:25,520
actively maintaining 15 open cases uh

1105
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,160
appraisal cases. Uh currently we do not

1106
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,319
have any AMC

1107
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,800
uh complaints. We received two new

1108
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,400
appraisal complaints during this

1109
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,400
reporting period and successfully closed

1110
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,359
one appraisal complaint. And we

1111
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:41,599
currently have two cases pending legal

1112
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:44,960
action. Is there any questions on those

1113
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,069
stats?

1114
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,599
Okay. Fantastic. Um, I'd like to present

1115
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,000
to you a stipulation in order for Jesse

1116
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,440
Palmer for your consideration today. Um,

1117
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,760
Jesse Palmer is a state certified

1118
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,640
residential appraiser. And to provide a

1119
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,480
brief background on this matter, in

1120
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,000
October 2025, Mr. Palmer was retained to

1121
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,040
appraise a residential con condominium

1122
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,760
for a divorce proceeding. He established

1123
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,559
a value of $535,000

1124
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,119
for this assignment. Shortly thereafter,

1125
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,200
a real estate professional reviewed the

1126
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,400
work, identified potential inflation and

1127
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,880
misleading conclusions, and submitted a

1128
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,440
formal complaint to the division. The

1129
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,960
division conducted a thorough

1130
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,920
investigation and interview uh which

1131
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,880
involved both a review appraisal and um

1132
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,599
the standard investigation process which

1133
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,400
revealed several critical deficiencies.

1134
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,079
First, uh improper reporting. Mr. Palmer

1135
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:50,800
utilized a standard generalpurpose res

1136
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,640
form rather than the required

1137
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,599
condominium form citing ease of

1138
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:59,040
readability for this reason which led to

1139
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,800
the omission of key condo specific data.

1140
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,119
Furthermore, several areas of the report

1141
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,640
were not completed. Second, inspection

1142
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,280
failures. Although Mr. Palmer certified

1143
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,520
that he performed a personal inspection

1144
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,000
for this assignment. The investigation

1145
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,599
confirmed he did not inspect the

1146
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,400
property from the exterior or interior.

1147
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,880
He lacked access and could not view the

1148
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440
unit from the parking lot where he did

1149
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,200
not exit his vehicle for any inspection.

1150
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,440
He also admitted required photographs

1151
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,800
from the report. Uh lacking physical

1152
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,079
access, Mr. Palmer made an extraordinary

1153
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,920
assumption regarding the property's

1154
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,359
condition based entirely on unverified

1155
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:48,160
data of a 2011 remodel which uh was

1156
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,400
provided by a party with a vested

1157
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,760
financial interest in the outcome of the

1158
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,000
assignment which compromised his

1159
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,119
objectivity and finally a flawed sales

1160
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,040
comparison approach. The appraisal

1161
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,359
contained unsupported adjustments,

1162
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:05,920
methodologies that failed to support his

1163
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,240
conclusions, and misidentified

1164
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,960
comparable properties. Furthermore, his

1165
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,599
work file lacks the supporting data for

1166
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:15,440
this valuation.

1167
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,680
Mr. Palmer admitted that these actions

1168
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,240
violated Utah administrative code as

1169
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,359
well as core use PAP rules, including

1170
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:27,200
ethics, recordkeeping, competency, and

1171
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,079
scope of work. To resolve this matter

1172
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:31,760
without the need for a formal hearing,

1173
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,160
the division and Mr. Palmer have agreed

1174
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,920
to the following terms. Mr. Palmer must

1175
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,480
complete 8 hours of mentorship training

1176
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,920
with the division approved mentor within

1177
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,720
120 days of the execution of this

1178
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,319
agreement. Uh these hours are nonredit

1179
00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,800
hours and cannot be applied toward his

1180
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,599
regular continuing education. and should

1181
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,000
he fail to comply with the specified

1182
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,079
time frame, his license will face

1183
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,079
immediate suspension.

1184
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,079
Uh the division believes this agreement

1185
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:05,599
appropriately protects the public

1186
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,520
interest while ensuring corrective

1187
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,160
training and we respectfully request

1188
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,079
your approval of this stipulation and

1189
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,880
order. I'm happy to answer any questions

1190
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,160
you might have regarding this

1191
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:21,670
stipulation and order.

1192
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,280
Brenn

1193
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,559
um I read through this and it all seems

1194
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:30,079
very reasonable to me and I read in here

1195
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,720
that he agreed or he had admitted that

1196
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,520
he had committed these you know failures

1197
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,920
or whatever you called them. Um, so I

1198
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,520
don't have any problem whatsoever with

1199
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,920
this and and I and I really appreciate

1200
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,800
that the division is, you know, meeting

1201
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,400
out

1202
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,800
uh the consequences for bad acts, you

1203
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,599
know, that is that's in the favor of the

1204
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,800
appraiser to get the training he needs

1205
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:00,079
without, you know, potentially his

1206
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,520
career if he's willing to follow that.

1207
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,160
So all that's great. My only comment or

1208
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,040
question is um and it's not a negative

1209
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,200
one. It's more about the procedure of

1210
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,400
how these things are done. This this not

1211
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,160
how these things are done. What what am

1212
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,720
I trying to say here? This this

1213
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,880
person you said that a person in the

1214
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,520
appraisal profession

1215
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,559
uh recommended an investigation,

1216
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:32,720
a real estate professional. And so when

1217
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,680
that investigation goes,

1218
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,880
uh, who is it that that um

1219
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,640
that like reviews the appraisal and and

1220
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,480
comes up with the logs.

1221
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,119
This this stipulation kind of reads like

1222
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:54,079
an appraisal review that I I see often

1223
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,640
where there's adversarial appraisers in

1224
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,200
a litigation setting and one appraiser

1225
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,520
is trying to um you know cite all of the

1226
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,839
bad bad

1227
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:09,440
uh acts that that appraiser does and and

1228
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,359
um is this written by an third party

1229
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,920
reviewer or is it something that you or

1230
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,480
and your staff do? How does this how do

1231
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,599
like the the wording the wording in the

1232
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,480
paragraphs get into this report? Is it

1233
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,720
like out of an appraisal review or is it

1234
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:33,440
just your words or how does what is the

1235
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,680
procedure of this? I'm curious about

1236
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,839
that.

1237
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:38,319
>> Um

1238
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:40,559
>> let me let me defer to Justin because

1239
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,200
he's legal counsel for the for the

1240
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,119
division.

1241
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:51,119
Yes, I'm uh u involved in in u this

1242
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,520
process, but I was I was going to also

1243
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,960
comment that the the process and and

1244
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,280
Elliot's here and he is legal counsel

1245
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,760
for the board and he can weigh in as

1246
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,319
well, but generally when a stipulation

1247
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:07,440
is presented uh there are discussions

1248
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,240
that go on between the division and the

1249
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:16,559
party and uh the Um the process in in

1250
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:19,200
this situation is really for the board

1251
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:23,359
to to approve the stipulation or not to

1252
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,440
approve it. We we have to be careful

1253
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,000
because if this stipulation is not

1254
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,960
approved, there's a possibility that it

1255
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,599
could come before the board at a hearing

1256
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:37,680
at a later date. And we want to avoid

1257
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,880
any uh

1258
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,760
instance in which the board may be

1259
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,480
accused of having predetermined a

1260
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,880
hearing outcome that is not even been

1261
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,920
scheduled at this point. And so uh the

1262
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,280
division needs to be a little bit

1263
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:57,520
careful in in going into too much

1264
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,720
detail. I I think the the question for

1265
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,200
the board really is

1266
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,280
um is this is this a reasonable

1267
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,160
response to this? And and if not, it

1268
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,400
it's certainly okay for the board to

1269
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,559
say, you know what, uh we just don't

1270
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,280
have enough information to approve this

1271
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,119
proposed stipulation or this

1272
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:23,520
stipulation. And so we want to uh to get

1273
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,400
more information that could come out for

1274
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,799
example in a hearing. Elliot, do you

1275
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:32,240
have any any other comment on that?

1276
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,760
>> Yeah, I think that's exactly right,

1277
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,880
Justin. Thanks. Um and for those

1278
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:38,319
reasons, I think it's probably most

1279
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:41,119
appropriate really to have

1280
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,760
any real detailed discussion like this

1281
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,680
happen and the close session that I

1282
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,280
believe the the board is going to enter

1283
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,799
into shortly. So, um, certainly the

1284
00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:53,760
concerns that have been raised, we can address those, but it's probably

1285
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,319
best to do that in a in a close session.

1286
00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:58,559
So,

1287
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,040
>> and and it's understandable that with

1288
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,480
new board members, uh, so we're not uh

1289
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,520
trying to call out or or

1290
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,359
make any other comment other than just

1291
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:12,160
to help understand the process. So, in a

1292
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,000
stipulation,

1293
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,000
uh, there's limited information that

1294
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,920
you're going to be receiving. In a in a

1295
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,799
hearing, there's total, you know,

1296
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:23,680
opportunity to get answers to questions

1297
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,160
that you might have, but this is a

1298
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,240
little bit different process. It's short

1299
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,000
shortened process just for a

1300
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,630
stipulation.

1301
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,440
» Thank you. Jared, you had your hand up.

1302
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,440
>> I do. Um, so my question is more

1303
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,400
general. Um,

1304
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,240
and I'll say

1305
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,799
>> Jared, Jared, before we move on, I want

1306
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:51,760
to back up um, back to Chris because

1307
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,400
Chris had the original question.

1308
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,160
>> So Chris, is there anything else you'd

1309
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,160
like to say before I move over to Jared?

1310
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,799
>> No, no, I get I understand what they're

1311
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:06,240
saying, what Mr. Barney and uh, Clark

1312
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,520
have indicated. Yeah, I'm I'm curious

1313
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
about processes and things like that and

1314
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,079
which is not the form right here to

1315
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,799
discuss that. So that's great. So we can

1316
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:19,119
discuss that but some other opportunity

1317
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:20,400
if needed.

1318
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,240
>> Okay. I just want to double back to make

1319
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,040
sure we're okay before Jared is going on

1320
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,559
to a new a new topic. But okay, go ahead

1321
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:29,760
Jared.

1322
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,559
So, um,

1323
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,920
Bren, if you could help remind me, um,

1324
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,960
and and this is independent of this

1325
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640
case.

1326
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,799
When we set up the mentorship program,

1327
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:45,599
well, we have this supervisor

1328
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:51,599
uh supervisor role that has some

1329
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,440
fundamental requirements has some

1330
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,599
requirements as far as you you can't

1331
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:59,520
have any um disciplinary action and I

1332
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,079
think it's the prior three years. It

1333
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,440
might be prior five years. I don't

1334
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240
remember exactly what that is.

1335
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,119
in accepting the mentorship.

1336
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,440
Does this count as one of those? I can't

1337
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,680
remember if and and even if this may not have even come up as we

1338
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,960
were talking about the mentorship

1339
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:23,040
program um and and architecting it. um

1340
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:31,190
if would and I I I asked because um

1341
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,680
it may have some impact on how I how I

1342
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,480
feel about about approving or not

1343
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,760
approving. Um, does this have any impact

1344
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,000
on supervisor

1345
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,880
uh and continuing as a supervisor or

1346
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,400
supervising someone if if we do a mentor

1347
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,079
a mentorship option?

1348
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,680
>> I do not have off the top of my head,

1349
01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,359
but I believe our statute and rules

1350
01:01:59,359 --> 01:02:02,079
prohibit supervisors if they've had

1351
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,839
disciplinary action.

1352
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:06,079
>> It's the prior three years is the is the

1353
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,480
rule.

1354
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Sorry, Michael. Michael, one more time.

1355
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,839
>> Uh, prior three years will disqualify

1356
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:15,839
them from being a supervisor.

1357
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,119
>> Thank you.

1358
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,040
>> And I can't remember is the mentorship

1359
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,880
program considered a disciplinary

1360
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,839
action.

1361
01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:25,760
>> Yes, mentorship is any any stipulation

1362
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,480
and order is considered disciplinary

1363
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:32,240
action and the mentorship as a result of

1364
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,400
the stipulation and order will be

1365
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,559
considered disciplinary action. It will

1366
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,480
be reported to the ASC registry and it

1367
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,920
goes in the newsletter as well.

1368
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,119
>> Okay. Okay. That was my general question

1369
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:52,309
asking for a friend.

1370
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:53,680
» Is there any

1371
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,799
>> Oh, go ahead, B.

1372
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:56,480
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Is there any other

1373
01:02:56,480 --> 01:03:06,230
questions I could help anyone with?

1374
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:10,160
All right, seeing none, um we'll move on

1375
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,829
to

1376
01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:16,319
that brings us into Oh,

1377
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,640
>> would you enterain would you entertain a

1378
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,559
motion to uh go into an executive close

1379
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,920
session to discuss the stipulation and

1380
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,960
order pres presented by the board in the

1381
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,880
matter of Jesse Palmer uh docket number

1382
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:39,670
RE2. 26 uh 2026-097.

1383
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,079
» We have a motion to go into executive

1384
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:50,950
close session. Um is there a second?

1385
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,880
» There's been a motion and a second.

1386
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,480
Uh it can be open for discussion before

1387
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,599
we we vote on it. Uh, we have two hands

1388
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,880
up. Steve, you had your hand up first.

1389
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,599
>> Yeah, I just before we go into that uh

1390
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,480
close session, I did want to

1391
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,039
bring up if we still needed to meet in

1392
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:18,160
person this year. And if so, I wanted to

1393
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,160
propose that we discuss that next

1394
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,039
meeting on when we'd like to meet in

1395
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,000
person.

1396
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,280
>> We can have that added to the agenda uh

1397
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,000
probably under the director's report.

1398
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,039
Perfect.

1399
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:39,589
>> Is that sufficient? Uh, director.

1400
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:43,359
» Yes. Thank you. Sorry, couldn't find my microphone.

1401
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:47,200
>> All right. U Joel, you had your hand up.

1402
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,599
>> Um, in the packet, we got some

1403
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,760
information about Peter Paulos, and I

1404
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:52,799
just wanted to make sure it wasn't

1405
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:53,760
something we're supposed to go over

1406
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,680
before we go to executive session. And

1407
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,240
Bren, is that something we were going to

1408
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,400
discuss this month?

1409
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,359
I can answer that. Um, it's a licensing

1410
01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:05,920
and what they do is they it's for uh

1411
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,520
whether we're going to give them on this

1412
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,319
one a permit to practice. There were two

1413
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:14,400
six month um applications and we go over

1414
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,359
typically um this one specifically. It

1415
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:19,520
should have come through on the email

1416
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,680
and it's uh titled yes answer

1417
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,000
spreadsheet and the division reviews

1418
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,680
them. In this case, uh, he had not taken

1419
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,799
the appropriate education when, um,

1420
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:34,000
performing a renewal, and so they gave

1421
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000
him a $250 fine, and then he had to take

1422
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,039
the class, of course, that was taken

1423
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,799
care of and paid for. So that doesn't uh

1424
01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:45,359
prohibit us from licensing him, but we

1425
01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:53,119
do review that even though it's a like a little infraction, if you will.

1426
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,359
And and it's not typical that you

1427
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:57,839
discuss it when I bring it up. Um just

1428
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,680
in the licensing portion, if you have

1429
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,720
questions, just pipe up and ask me and

1430
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,440
we can chat about that as well. But no,

1431
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,400
uh as far as I know, uh you do not need

1432
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:15,029
to discuss that in close session. Any

1433
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:17,359
other questions pertaining to going into

1434
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:21,190
executive session?

1435
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,640
Seeing none, um, all in favor say I.

1436
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,319
>> I.

1437
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:29,280
>> Any nay? Any nays?

1438
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,599
With that, we'll go into executive

1439
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:33,760
session.

1440
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,160
>> All right. Let the record show that the

1441
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,079
following board members have voted to

1442
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:39,920
close this meeting for the sole purpose

1443
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,000
of discussing the character,

1444
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,920
professional competence, or physical and

1445
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,480
mental health of an individual. Chair

1446
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,359
Chris Pollson, Vice Chair Jared Pricer,

1447
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:51,760
board member Chris Hansen, board member

1448
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,640
Steve Davidson, board member Ron Jensen,

1449
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,440
and board member Michael Brumble. And I

1450
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,440
will open that breakup breakout room,

1451
01:06:59,440 --> 02:09:11,030
excuse me, for you now.

1452
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,040
All right, I think everyone made it

1453
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:17,270
back.

1454
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,520
So, we are now

1455
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,000
I see. Let me know what are we still

1456
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,760
recording or do we need to wait until we

1457
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:24,800
start recording?

1458
02:09:24,800 --> 02:09:26,159
>> We are still recording.

1459
02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:29,840
>> All right. Uh we're back in uh open

1460
02:09:29,840 --> 02:09:34,400
session and I'd like to open it up for a

1461
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:41,030
motion.

1462
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,880
» I think Michael's muted but trying to

1463
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:43,840
talk.

1464
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:45,440
>> Sorry. When you come back in you

1465
02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:48,159
automatically get muted and it

1466
02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:50,639
>> off.

1467
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:53,119
>> I'd make a motion that we approve the

1468
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:54,639
stipulation in the matter of Jesse

1469
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:56,239
Palmer.

1470
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,639
There is a motion to approve. Is there a

1471
02:09:58,639 --> 02:10:01,520
second?

1472
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:05,669
>> I second that.

1473
02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,079
» There is a motion and a second. Uh we'll

1474
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:11,360
do a roll call. Um we'll start with

1475
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:13,599
Michael Rumble.

1476
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:15,520
>> I

1477
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:18,239
>> Steve Davidson.

1478
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:19,920
>> I

1479
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:22,079
>> Jared Pricer.

1480
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:23,679
>> Nay.

1481
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:25,360
Ron Jensen.

1482
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:26,800
>> Hi,

1483
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:30,629
>> Chris Hansen.

1484
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:34,149
» May

1485
02:10:34,159 --> 02:10:39,040
» and Chris Pollson myself. Um, I'll say

1486
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:41,440
I

1487
02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:43,199
did I miss any board members that are

1488
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:45,840
present?

1489
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:49,199
I think I got everybody. All right. So,

1490
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:53,199
the motion passes 4 to two.

1491
02:10:53,199 --> 02:10:58,159
Um I am looking u asking the director if

1492
02:10:58,159 --> 02:11:01,199
there is board I mean I'm sorry division

1493
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:02,560
concurrence.

1494
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:06,320
>> Yes share the division concurrence.

1495
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:09,920
>> Uh with that I believe we have finished

1496
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:13,040
u the business of the board for the day

1497
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:20,470
and looking for a motion to adjurnn.

1498
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,360
I make a motion to adjurnn.

1499
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,119
>> There is a motion to adjurnn. All in

1500
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:26,880
favor say I.

1501
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,480
>> I.

1502
02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:31,360
>> The eyes have it and we are have

1503
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:32,960
completed business for the day. Thank

1504
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:34,960
you.

1505
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:37,760
>> Thank you.