1 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:28,880 I I think we're good to go, aren't we? 2 00:00:27,279 --> 00:00:31,880 » Yep. 3 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,880 » Yeah. 4 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,120 » Any objections, director? 5 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,160 » Um, no, chair. and the recording is on 6 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,840 for you. 7 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:46,000 » Okay. 8 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:50,480 All right. It's 9:00 um 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:54,800 22nd of a 26th of August 10 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:57,760 and we're going to commence um 11 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,840 with the monthly board meeting for the 12 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,600 division of real estates appraisal 13 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,400 board. 14 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,159 Uh, first item on the agenda is to 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,720 consider and approve the meeting minutes 16 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:12,600 from the July 29th, 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,600 2026 meeting. 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,799 If the board members have had a chance 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:23,240 to review it, 20 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:23,240 I'm open to a motion. 21 00:01:24,495 --> 00:01:28,479 » [clears throat] 22 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:31,600 » Chair, I have uh reviewed the minutes 23 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:34,240 and uh make a motion that we approve as 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,520 drafted. 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,240 » Is that a motion to approve as drafted? 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,479 And there was a second. 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,960 » Uh all in favor say I. 28 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:44,159 » I. 29 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,119 » I. 30 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:46,720 » I. 31 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:49,759 » I. 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:53,600 » Any nays? 33 00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:56,240 Okay. Passes. Uh we're going to move on 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,399 to agenda item number two, the public 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:02,119 comment. We'll now open it up for any 36 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:02,119 com public comment. 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,720 I don't know how much sufficient time is 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,120 defined as, but I think we're pretty 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,800 close. Um, 40 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,879 seeing that there's no uh public comment 41 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,599 at this point, we'll close the public 42 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:34,879 comment portion of this meeting and move 43 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:36,879 on to agenda item number three, the 44 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:39,840 division section report. So, we'll begin 45 00:02:36,879 --> 00:02:42,160 with the director's report. Uh, director 46 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,400 of VA. 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:48,336 » Thank you, chair, and good morning board 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,760 members. So good to see you all. Um 49 00:02:48,336 --> 00:02:52,480 [clears throat] the first thing I wanted 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:55,760 to touch on is with your um meeting 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:58,800 materials. I circulated some proposed 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:02,239 2027 meeting dates. Um and I know that 53 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:06,239 that um seems kind of uh crazy that 54 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:08,239 we're already planning 2027, but um I 55 00:03:06,239 --> 00:03:10,400 find the more lead time we can give you 56 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:14,159 all with your schedules probably the 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:16,239 better. Um, and so I'm just looking to 58 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:18,959 to make sure that kind of tenatively 59 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:21,360 these dates look good and then I can set 60 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:24,959 up uh calendar invites that I can add 61 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:27,519 you all to. Um, now we've had with some 62 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:29,360 of our other public bodies, maybe um, a 63 00:03:27,519 --> 00:03:30,959 professional organization has an event 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,200 that a lot of board members are going 65 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:35,840 to, things like that. as things come up, 66 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,440 we are free to kind of reschedu, but I 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,319 think it's good to kind of get a 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:45,120 schedule down um that we can work with. 69 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:48,159 the administrative law judges um which 70 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:53,599 act as the judge when there's a formal 71 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:56,159 hearing before you. Um, they use our 72 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:59,760 schedule and they typically will use 73 00:03:56,159 --> 00:04:02,239 that to set their hearings because they 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,480 not only hear cases that come before the 75 00:04:02,239 --> 00:04:06,720 appraiser board, but they also hear 76 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,200 cases that come before our other public 77 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,439 bodies, but then cases that come before 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:14,159 all of the other divisions and offices 79 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:15,519 in commerce. So, um, when we can set a 80 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:18,320 schedule, it gives them kind of a 81 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:20,079 framework. um some of these if a 82 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,720 proceeding is formal rather than 83 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:24,560 informal um you're going to have a full 84 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,880 discovery process and things like that. 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:30,639 So they actually plan those hearings 86 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:32,880 pretty far out. Um so do any board 87 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:39,080 members just at a glance with with these 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:39,080 dates um see any issues as of right now? 89 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:51,280 Yeah, director. Um there there was um 90 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:54,639 uh one one particular that I thought u 91 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:55,120 might cause might cause a a challenge. 92 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:57,440 » Okay. 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,199 » Um 94 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,120 I'm I'm looking at my notes. Sorry, I 95 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:03,600 did this earlier and I should have had 96 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,720 my notes um I should have had my notes 97 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,720 pulled up. 98 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:11,680 » No, no, you're totally fine. Um 99 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:15,680 » Here I'll share the date. April the 100 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:17,360 April 20 the April 28th 101 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,280 um 102 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:23,680 date conflicts with 103 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:25,919 um the appraisal institute national 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,720 conference 105 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:31,120 and so that there may be some of us that 106 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,840 are planning to go to that and I think 107 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,039 it also the 108 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:40,479 arrow conference 109 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:43,120 um was a was a conflict ICT or or 110 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:45,039 potentially had a conflict in the 111 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,039 September 112 00:05:45,039 --> 00:05:50,720 um 113 00:05:47,039 --> 00:05:53,280 the September uh time time frame. And 114 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,880 then the other one that I was wondering 115 00:05:53,280 --> 00:06:00,639 about 116 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:04,319 um March is listed as the 24th, 117 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:06,400 but your note said that we met the last 118 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:08,960 Wednesday of the month, which would 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,160 actually be March 31st. 120 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:14,720 So, I I don't know if that if that was 121 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,880 um 122 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,039 » Just it's the fourth I think it's the 123 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,880 fourth Wednesday of the month, but the 124 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:22,240 last Monday actually or the last 125 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,720 Wednesday actually happens to be the 126 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:28,479 31st. So, those were those were just 127 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,160 ones to look to look at there. 128 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:33,659 » Thank you so much, Vice Chair. I'll get 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,240 these a second look. Um, and if 130 00:06:33,659 --> 00:06:38,240 [clears throat] they conflict, I'll um 131 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:42,160 I'll propose some alternate dates and 132 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:44,880 circulate um a new schedule to y'all. 133 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,319 Um, board member Davidson. 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:50,639 » Yeah. So, I this actually reminds me of 135 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:52,800 and I remember you had mentioned that we 136 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:55,680 had to meet in person at least once a 137 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,280 year and I I don't has that been done 138 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:00,800 this year? Is that something that we 139 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,039 need to add for this year? Just based on 140 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,400 my traveling, being able to travel, I 141 00:07:03,039 --> 00:07:06,479 just wanted to make sure to plan ahead 142 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,000 for that one. 143 00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:10,639 » Absolutely. Thank you so much for 144 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,720 bringing that up. Yes. So, that is a 145 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:16,160 Department of Commerce policy that all 146 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:19,599 of the public bodies that meet um within 147 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,919 the department um we we like them to 148 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:25,280 meet in person at least once a year. Um, 149 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:27,120 and so y'all have not, unless I'm 150 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,080 remembering incorrectly, met in person 151 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,319 yet this year. So, if y'all wanted to uh 152 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,639 think about or um if you have ideas 153 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:37,280 about what month out of the remaining 154 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:39,520 months of the year um feel like a good 155 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,280 fit. And board member Davidson, I think 156 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,880 you might be the one traveling the 157 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240 farthest 158 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,520 up here, correct? 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,880 » I would assume so. Yeah. And I I'm okay 160 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:53,599 proposing for um September 30th or 161 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:56,319 October 28th of this of this year. I'm 162 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:58,479 I'm open to either of those dates. 163 00:07:56,319 --> 00:08:00,160 » Okay. Other board members, how do you 164 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:02,400 all feel about that? 165 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,160 » I was thinking in December we should go 166 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,879 to St. George. 167 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,720 » Oh, okay. [laughter] 168 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:11,680 Now, now you're thinking, Vice Chair, 169 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,199 because I I don't uh know of anything in 170 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:16,319 in the requirement that says it has to 171 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:18,080 be at Hebrew Wells. So, [laughter] 172 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:19,599 I would say the sooner we meet the 173 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,280 better for this year. If we have to do 174 00:08:19,599 --> 00:08:23,280 one this year, it's got to be pretty 175 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,879 soon. We just don't want to get running 176 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,360 up into the holiday season when 177 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:29,360 everybody's jaming their schedules and 178 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,400 weather, you know, for traveling. It's 179 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,159 just easier. 180 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,880 » So, I would just say this September 181 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:38,159 meeting would be a great one to do. 182 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:42,000 » Okay. And board member Brumble, 183 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:44,240 » I was just going to say um that I have a 184 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,640 probably a conflict. I mean, I'm fine to 185 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,959 meet on September 30th, but I'll be 186 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,600 doing so remotely from Washington DC. 187 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:50,160 So, 188 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,800 » Okay. 189 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:56,800 » Um, so, however that works, I if 190 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,440 » Yeah, for the in-person meeting, we will 191 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,200 still have a virtual option um for the 192 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,519 public. I mean, the public is free to 193 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,080 meet in person, but usually it's easier. 194 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:08,240 And so, um, assuming we go with 195 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,000 September, um, we will make sure that 196 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,680 you're able to join us remotely, board 197 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,880 member Rumble, so that you we can 198 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:14,000 accommodate that. 199 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,560 » Thank you. 200 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,279 » Um, okay. So, we Let's go ahead and plan 201 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:22,480 on September. And how that will work is 202 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:24,616 um my assistant Lori um can help 203 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,200 coordinate any travels. So, 204 00:09:24,616 --> 00:09:26,640 [clears throat] 205 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,080 she's been working with you all on 206 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:32,320 getting your PDM payments set up for 207 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,160 your meeting. um as you've discussed 208 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,839 with her, I'm sure, it requires us 209 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,000 setting you up as if you were an 210 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:40,560 employee in the state system to get an 211 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:44,080 employee identification number. Um but 212 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:47,360 we are also able under the law to um pay 213 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,120 travel expenses. So um for most of you 214 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,720 that's probably going to be things like 215 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:55,200 mileage. Um we will send you kind of 216 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,320 parking logistics as well because we can 217 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,600 um give you parking validation. Um, but 218 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,360 especially for you, board member 219 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Davidson, Lori can coordinate with you 220 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,120 to make sure that we um get you um 221 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,839 whatever you need in terms of lodging, 222 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,920 anything like that. 223 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:12,320 » Yeah, no problem. Thank you. 224 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,519 » All right. 225 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,880 » One one question I would have to um if 226 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,399 we're going to do it at the Heber 227 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,920 building, 228 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,240 uh the last time I was there, there was 229 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:25,839 some special um I think security type 230 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,360 things for getting through the building. 231 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:31,200 Is there anything that we should be 232 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:35,360 aware of? Is there a list that is posted 233 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:37,120 of who's who's uh accessible? I I just 234 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,519 was wondering if that might be and you 235 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,000 could send it to us in an email. Um 236 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:42,399 » Yeah, 237 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,000 » At a later date, but um I don't I don't 238 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:46,160 know what the protocol is. It's been a 239 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,920 long time, maybe even COVID since I was 240 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,079 in the building. So 241 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,839 » Um 242 00:10:50,079 --> 00:10:53,519 that would be a question. 243 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:56,640 » No, I'm glad you asked that question. 244 00:10:53,519 --> 00:10:58,399 So, typically to get past uh or to the 245 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,519 upper floors of the building, folks have 246 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:03,040 to um show a governmentisssued ID and 247 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,760 typically we would let security know 248 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:07,920 ahead of time, but we have a conference 249 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,839 room and a hearing room now on the first 250 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,680 floor. So, I might see if we could 251 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:13,839 schedule our meeting there just so if we 252 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,560 have members of the public, they don't 253 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:18,079 have to um go through too much trouble 254 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:20,880 to be able to attend the meeting in 255 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:22,560 person if they would like to. So, I will 256 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,600 um I'm glad you brought that up, uh, 257 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:27,519 Vice Chair Pryer, and I will um I will 258 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:30,640 uh talk about those logistics with Lori 259 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:32,240 so that we can get that all all set up. 260 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,160 » I would also assume that if there's 261 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,800 anybody that is appealing, they would 262 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,360 also meet in person. Is that correct? 263 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,800 » They have the option to, but um 264 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,399 typically we allow them to appear 265 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:48,079 remotely if it's more convenient for 266 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:51,519 them. Um we um postcoid it seems like um 267 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:53,279 it we have robust as you know virtual 268 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:56,160 meeting tools and so it can be good for 269 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:58,160 folks um who are maybe appealing or 270 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,720 having a hearing um we're able to 271 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,040 accommodate them a little bit more and 272 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,880 and make things easier for them but they 273 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,880 are certainly welcome to attend in 274 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,880 person. 275 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,040 Okay. 276 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:17,538 All right. 277 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,160 And then as far as other items, um 278 00:12:17,538 --> 00:12:21,360 [clears throat] 279 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:25,120 so last time we spoke a little bit about 280 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:27,760 um replacing board member Jensen's AMC 281 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,240 representative seat, which we are very 282 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:34,320 sad to see board member Jensen leave us, 283 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,959 but um we got some amazing applications. 284 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,399 And so the next step will be setting up 285 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:42,959 interviews with applicants with um 286 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:45,040 division management. And following those 287 00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:47,680 interviews, the division will make a 288 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:50,399 recommendation to the commissioner of 289 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:54,639 the department. Um this past legislative 290 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:57,680 session, just as as a point to note, um 291 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:59,680 the law changed and what we previously 292 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:02,000 referred to as our executive director of 293 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:03,279 the department is now referred to as a 294 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,360 commissioner. So, if you hear me say 295 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,839 that, I'm referring to Commissioner 296 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,160 Margaret Woolly Busy. So, same person, 297 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:11,839 just a different title now. Um, and so 298 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,720 we make a recommendation and then it 299 00:13:11,839 --> 00:13:16,480 goes up through her to the governor who 300 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,800 then makes a recommendation to the 301 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,760 Senate and then that person goes before 302 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,680 a Senate confirmation committee and then 303 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,680 if uh assuming they're recommended 304 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:28,079 favorably to the entire Senate for 305 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:29,760 confirmation. So, I know that sounds 306 00:13:28,079 --> 00:13:32,240 kind of like an overwhelming process, 307 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,760 but the governor's office um obviously 308 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,360 you all have recently gone through that 309 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:38,480 process. So, you know how that works 310 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,000 obviously. Um but um the governor's 311 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,839 office does a good job of trying to 312 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,480 shepherd folks through the process and 313 00:13:41,839 --> 00:13:46,560 we are also here as a resource for any 314 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:50,240 folks who are going through the process. 315 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:52,639 Um I'm always happy if if any of our 316 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,639 nominees need to to go with them to the 317 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:56,880 capitol or just be at the meeting if 318 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,639 they're appearing remotely. So, more to 319 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,880 come on that. A big thank you to board 320 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:03,519 member Jensen for continuing his service 321 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:06,160 while we find a replacement. And I just 322 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:08,639 want to shout out my Jenko for helping 323 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,560 me um get a communication out to the 324 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:15,519 AMC's and helping us coordinate the 325 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:18,079 process. So, um other than that, um I am 326 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:20,079 still working on proposed rule language 327 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:22,720 for you on the topic of the instructor 328 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:25,760 development workshop. Um, I just want to 329 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,079 thank you all. Um, you all and also 330 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,880 educators and and stakeholders in the 331 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:32,800 space gave us some amazing feedback and 332 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:36,320 things to consider to make sure that we 333 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,399 get um, some great language here to make 334 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,279 what we think will be a really positive 335 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:43,600 change um, in terms of the instructor 336 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:46,480 development workshop requirement. So, I 337 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,720 just want to thank you all um, for for 338 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,800 spending the time to really help us get 339 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,480 it right. Um, and I believe that that is 340 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,160 all I have for you today, but I'm happy 341 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,720 to answer any questions that board 342 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,720 members may have. 343 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:07,920 » All right, I'll turn it back over to 344 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,480 you, Chair Pollson. 345 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,279 » Thank you. Um, 346 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,720 where's a re review and approve on the 347 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:19,600 agenda? Do we need to take action on 348 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,240 that or does it automatically no action 349 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:24,000 we we'll just move forward? 350 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,600 » Yes, I think it's okay. And Elliot, feel 351 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,839 free to chime in if if you feel 352 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,000 differently, but on those dates kind of 353 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:31,920 just seeking a tenative like this looks 354 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,120 good to us, so I don't think a vote is 355 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,760 necessary. 356 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,120 » All right. 357 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Oh, sorry. Go ahead, Elliot. 358 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,720 » No, just gonna say that's fine. Um, 359 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,560 director is right. As long as there's 360 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,680 some tentative agreement, I think we're 361 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,440 good. 362 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,440 All right. I didn't know if we needed to 363 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:52,639 continue it or not. So anyway, 364 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:55,920 um moving on to uh the next item, 365 00:15:52,639 --> 00:16:01,240 licensing and education. Laurel North. 366 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,240 » Hi. Thanks, Chair Pollson. Um, 367 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:10,000 as the director stated, uh, we met with 368 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:14,320 some people to go over these ideas for, 369 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:16,399 um, switch up to IDW and we met with 370 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,040 board member Pricer, who I just want to 371 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:22,240 thank personally for his time. Um, I 372 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:24,000 think we got some the best options on 373 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:29,120 more flexible 374 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,800 um, IDW options. So, uh, our director is 375 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,959 writing those up for us, so we will 376 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,160 consider those. While we were talking to 377 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:37,920 him, something came up. Uh, we had, you 378 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,880 know, we look at experience hours all 379 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:45,120 the time, and it kind of crossed my mind 380 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:47,759 that, uh, why don't we look at practicum 381 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,920 as a possibility for 100% acceptance 382 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:53,600 rather than the 50% that we do now? So, 383 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:55,920 I kind of tossed that out to a board 384 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:57,440 member, Chrysler, and I think he thought 385 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,040 it was a good idea. He can speak for 386 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:02,800 himself, but I I can do a more full 387 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,360 presentation, but I want a couple things 388 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,520 to be in your mind, whether you say 389 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:09,439 something today or in a future meeting. 390 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Um, 391 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:14,880 so the traditional practicum is 392 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:17,600 classroom based, kind of like Perea, but 393 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,919 they have live or virtual site visits. 394 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,559 Um there are nine states currently that 395 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:24,880 accept 100% practicum. 396 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:27,360 Uh Arizona, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, 397 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:29,360 Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, New 398 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:31,440 Jersey, and Oklahoma. And then sitting 399 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:34,320 with us at 50% are California and 400 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:38,960 Kansas. I looked at the pass rates real 401 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:41,440 quick and the pass rates are good. 62% 402 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:44,559 national pass rate um the first time 403 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,679 around and then 15% this the second 404 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:50,799 time. And that is uh equal if not better 405 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:53,919 than our you know traditional experience 406 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:56,799 pathway. Pereia is very high. Um it's 407 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:58,960 even higher than that. So just kind of 408 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,960 think about that if you would or if 409 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,320 anyone wants to say any if they have any 410 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,240 thoughts about it and they want to say 411 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,960 it. I'm thinking we can throw this in 412 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,679 with the IDW stuff if if it's something 413 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,679 that lowers barriers and is practical. 414 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:14,840 We don't have to do it. Just thinking 415 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:14,840 about it. 416 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:22,080 Jared, you you had your hand up. 417 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,320 » Yeah, it it was it was a a really good 418 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:28,160 meeting that we had um talking about 419 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:30,240 education in general and IDW and and uh 420 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,400 and so I really appreciate the 421 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,280 opportunity to be able to to visit and 422 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,760 and talk about some of these ideas. 423 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,000 When it comes to the practicum, 424 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:43,520 uh I think that there's the way that we 425 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:47,600 learn today, the tools that we have um 426 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:51,280 have all um changed it dra you know 427 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:54,400 dramatically since co and um and there's 428 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,440 no reason why as a board we shouldn't 429 00:18:54,400 --> 00:19:01,919 recognize uh those opportunities those 430 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:04,640 those new changes in and and I I 431 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:06,160 interact with a lot of the uh students 432 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:10,559 students who have been going through a 433 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:12,480 PA practicum type uh education or para 434 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:14,240 and are finding that that they are 435 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,440 understanding the concepts and applying 436 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:20,320 them in a real world scenario in these 437 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:23,120 in these cases and and I think in our 438 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,720 profession uh you know we ought to be 439 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,440 looking at we ought to be looking at 440 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:31,280 those as alternate tracks um lowering 441 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,600 the barrier to entry um into into the 442 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,840 industry. I don't see any reason why as 443 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:40,559 a board we couldn't um review and and um 444 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,919 look at seriously a proposal from from 445 00:19:40,559 --> 00:19:47,280 the division on amending amending our 446 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:49,679 rules to be able to accept those. So, 447 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,000 um, and I I think certainly, you know, 448 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:53,679 if we had someone who was licensed in 449 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Minnesota, just picking the state 450 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:57,200 because I spent a couple years there, my 451 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:01,360 dad's from there and and I love 452 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:04,240 Minnesota. if they had someone become a 453 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:07,919 licensed appraiser through practicum 454 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:10,320 and they applied for reciprocity or or a 455 00:20:07,919 --> 00:20:12,240 reciprocal license with us, I don't 456 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:17,280 think we'd have an issue accepting that 457 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:20,240 license um from from that state. And and 458 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:23,600 so to me, you know, that that even 459 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:27,600 further would um you know, would 460 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:29,440 encourage us to to look at um adopting, 461 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,760 you know, some some alternative or or 462 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,760 making a change to our current policy. 463 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,760 So, 464 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:43,600 » Um thank you. Anyone else? 465 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:45,760 » Yeah. Um okay. Oh, I'm not done. I'll 466 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,159 I'll tell you when it's when my part's 467 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,240 done, but thanks. Um, I just wanted to 468 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:52,880 let you know in my mind from last 469 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,960 meeting. I'm still thinking about the 470 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,240 exam question. Should applicants take 471 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,720 the exam before they start their 472 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,559 experience hours. So, I kind of want to 473 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,960 discuss that at some point as well, so I 474 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:05,520 haven't forgotten about it. It's on the 475 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,760 table for me. And then the experience 476 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:11,840 review reports. Um, I thought this was a 477 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:13,760 great idea from uh Chairman Pollson. 478 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:16,640 Uh, 479 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:19,760 I like the idea of submitting reports 480 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,919 just by the applicant, not with the 481 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,480 supervisor. So, I want to talk about 482 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:26,640 that at some point, too. So, all these 483 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,080 three things will come up. Again, if you 484 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,240 have any thoughts, just shoot me an 485 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:34,720 email or give me a call. I'd love to 486 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:36,960 discuss it. Um, so to the regular 487 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:40,000 reports, a request to sit for appraiser 488 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:42,080 exams. We had one that would like to sit 489 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,600 for the licensed appraiser exam. That's 490 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,600 James Grub. We didn't have any denials 491 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,159 on the yes answer spreadsheet. That's a 492 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,240 clean sweep, too. We didn't have any 493 00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:54,480 affirmative disclosures 494 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,039 for applicants on that sheet. Uh we have 495 00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:00,000 a couple uh coming up for next week, 496 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:02,240 next month. Uh the stats between June 497 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,240 and July. Uh the total number of 498 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,280 licences experienced just a minor 499 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:11,039 contraction dropped by six. uh 500 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:13,919 credentials overall uh individual 501 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:16,080 licences decreased by three. The largest 502 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:19,360 decline was among certified residential 503 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,760 appraisers which was five along with 504 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:23,600 minor losses in licensed appraisers. 505 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,280 They could have moved up of course and 506 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,760 then pre-licicensed instructors. We lost 507 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,280 one. These were partially offset by 508 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,919 small gains in certified general 509 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:34,480 appraisers. So that could have taken our 510 00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:37,120 uh certified res up and continuing 511 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,200 education instructors we added to 512 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:43,039 appraiser trainees remained completely 513 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:45,120 stable. Our entities decreased by three. 514 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:47,600 Uh this decline was driven by the 515 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:50,159 appraisal management companies which 516 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,679 fell from 103 to 100. Pre-licensed 517 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:54,720 schools and continuing education 518 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:57,760 providers remain unchanged. So overall, 519 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:00,559 the board data shows high month-to-month 520 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,720 stability with slight dips in 521 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:05,919 residential appraisers and AMC's 522 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,520 representing the primary shifts. We 523 00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:10,640 don't have any experience reviews for 524 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:13,280 you today. Next, September, we have a 525 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,400 couple things that could come up. So, I 526 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,840 just wanted to um 527 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,360 put in your mind that we might have a 528 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,200 little extra time in September. In in 529 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,480 for September, we did have a denial in 530 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,159 August. So that could come up for 531 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,919 review, but it's not currently 532 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:31,600 scheduled. And then we also have a 533 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:34,640 candidate uh that the board 534 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,400 uh returned to samples. So that'll need 535 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,559 to be discussed. That could also hit our 536 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,919 September um meeting. And that's all I 537 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:46,200 have for you today. If there are any 538 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:46,200 questions, I'm open. 539 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,559 I don't see any questions. So, thank 540 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:04,559 you. Um, we'll we'll move on. Board and 541 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:06,159 industry issues. Uh, Justin Baring. 542 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:10,080 » Yes. Thank you for your time. It's good 543 00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:12,000 to be with you all today. 544 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:16,320 » Excuse me. Director Veette mentioned 545 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:19,760 about possible rule amendment uh with 546 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:23,600 regard to IDW. We'll be looking at that. 547 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:27,520 We've also talked about maybe uh some 548 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:29,600 policy or rule or some some 549 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,720 clarification to the role of the 550 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:36,720 alternate board member. We appreciate 551 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:40,240 um Joel Frost being here today as a an 552 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,320 alternate member of the board. And uh so 553 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,720 so we'll be looking at those things, but 554 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,679 I don't have anything to propose here 555 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:50,320 for your consideration today, but I am 556 00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:53,840 happy to um answer any questions or 557 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:57,400 respond to any any issues that uh you 558 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,400 would like to address. 559 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,279 » Go ahead, Jere. 560 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,520 » Yeah. Um 561 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:10,400 I I when I was reviewing back through my 562 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:14,320 notes, I had a note that I was um I had 563 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,960 taken on a task of preparing a 564 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,960 um a proposal for that alternate uh 565 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:24,400 member participation 566 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:27,360 um policy. I uh Justin, I have that and 567 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,880 I'll forward it to you in an email. I I 568 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:33,120 did it uh a little bit later it just in 569 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,440 the last couple of days and so didn't 570 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,880 have time to get it in this agenda but I 571 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,120 will send it to you and then you can 572 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,520 look at it and get the ideas from it and 573 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:44,159 and I don't know if that will help but 574 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:47,200 um I think in the notes I actually had 575 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:49,919 taken on that assignment um and then 576 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,400 failed to to execute earlier in the 577 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:54,080 month to to give that to you but I do 578 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,520 have I do have a document kind of 579 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,279 prepped for you 580 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,960 » That's Wonderful. I appreciate that, 581 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:02,559 Jared. We'll be happy to look at that 582 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:04,960 and uh we can get that on the agenda and 583 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:06,080 consider make that consideration board 584 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,919 policy. 585 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,320 » Yeah, it's just a starting point. Like 586 00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:14,640 I'm not a I'm not an attorney. I don't 587 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:17,200 even play one on TV. Um I am uh but it's 588 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:20,080 a starting point with some ideas that um 589 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,000 that have some some code attached to it 590 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,880 and stuff. So anyway, 591 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400 » No, that's great. 592 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,200 » Take it for what it's worth. For what 593 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,559 it's worth. Okay, thank you. I'll look 594 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,720 for that email. 595 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:31,720 » Thank you. 596 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:38,279 » Any other uh comments or questions for 597 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,279 me? 598 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,240 » All right. Well, thank you. 599 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,520 » All right. Seeing none, thank you, 600 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,279 Justin. Um we'll go on to enforcement. 601 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,240 Bring Kaylin. 602 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:52,720 » Thank you, chair. For the month of July, 603 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:55,120 uh the DRE managed a total of 11 604 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,679 appraisal cases. We've made solid 605 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,400 progress by resolving and closing four 606 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:03,679 of those cases. And while two are 607 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,760 currently pending legal action, we are 608 00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:11,120 doing really great on the enforcement 609 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:13,760 cases. Uh we have remained clear on AMC 610 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:15,600 cases. Uh we did not receive any 611 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,840 additional AMC cases during this 612 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,919 reporting period. We don't have any 613 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:24,000 stipulations to present today. Uh, but I 614 00:27:21,919 --> 00:27:26,720 did want to offer for the board's 615 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,760 consideration a board training 616 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:32,960 opportunity that Elliot Clark and Kevin 617 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Ule uh have offered their services for 618 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,640 to be a resource and maybe provide 619 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,200 guidance, training, and answer questions 620 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:44,799 that you all in this new role might 621 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,400 have. So, I wanted to gauge interest and 622 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:49,360 then depending on how many board 623 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:51,440 attendees uh are interested and in 624 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:54,640 attendance, we could schedule this for a 625 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:59,000 public meeting or a private meeting um 626 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,000 hopefully before the next board meeting. 627 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,159 » Just as a clarification on that. So, uh 628 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:08,640 if if there is a quorum of board 629 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:10,880 members, then it is required to be a 630 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,799 public meeting. If it's if it's less 631 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,279 than a quorum, then we can just get 632 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:18,000 together on everybody's schedule and and 633 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:21,440 go from there. 634 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:24,159 What would you Brent anticipate the 635 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:27,039 topics to be um training for the board 636 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:30,399 members right in terms of like how how 637 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:33,360 we uh like procedural things that we do 638 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:36,720 as a board or or review how to appro how 639 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:39,600 to review others of work or what do you 640 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,320 » I see it as an informationational 641 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:46,880 session. It could answer all of the 642 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:49,039 above um procedures um just kind of the 643 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,840 more technical aspects of executive 644 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:55,679 session and public session. It could go 645 00:28:51,840 --> 00:29:00,240 over some of the experience review items 646 00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:02,880 and um just general guidance from a past 647 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,159 board member and then Elliot as your 648 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,120 legal representative just offering to 649 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:12,480 again answer questions, provide guidance 650 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:14,399 on any of those topics. 651 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,080 » Well, I'd be interested in attending 652 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:20,080 that. 653 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,960 » Okay. one who's not, you know, 654 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,279 very experienced with board procedures 655 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,520 and I mean somewhat but not to the 656 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:29,760 extent I feel like I ought to be. 657 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,760 » So, it would be good for me. 658 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760 » Fantastic. 659 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:37,120 » Yeah, it sounds like Kevin's been on the 660 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:38,880 board for a long time. Learning from his 661 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,440 experience would be great. I have no 662 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,440 problem with that either. 663 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,440 » Okay. 664 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:49,600 I I guess the question is do you want it 665 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,480 during a typical meeting like this or do 666 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,840 you want a separate meeting? 667 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:58,320 » So again that depending on if we have a 668 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,520 quorum or not if if we don't have a 669 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:04,480 quorum I could see it just uh according 670 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,279 to Elliot Kevin and right now Chris and 671 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:10,399 Steve's schedules. So something in 672 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,320 between this uh board meeting and next 673 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:14,799 board meeting. 674 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,880 » All right. And I'm assuming it can be 675 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:19,279 recorded so that future board members 676 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,200 could review it. 677 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,720 » I I think that's a great idea. 678 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,200 » Okay. 679 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,120 » I I would like to participate. I think 680 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,960 um it would be good. 681 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,960 » It would be good training. I' I'd love 682 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:34,080 to be involved. So I don't know if that 683 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,360 makes us a quorum, but 684 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,360 » Okay. 685 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,399 » I wonder if we could uh propose that it 686 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:43,520 happens on uh September 30th while we're 687 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:44,320 all together in person. 688 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,080 Okay. 689 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,880 » So, why would a why would a training 690 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,360 meeting like that be a public meeting? I 691 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,200 don't understand that. 692 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,360 » Go ahead. 693 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320 » Default [clears throat] to Mr. Clark on 694 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,240 this one. 695 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,120 » Yeah. No, that's that's a good question. 696 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Um, anytime, so because you guys are a 697 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,120 public meeting or a public meeting, a 698 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,279 public board created under statute, 699 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,600 anytime you guys have a quorum 700 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,840 discussing board business, it has to be 701 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,919 noticed publicly for the public to be 702 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,279 able to attend. That doesn't mean you 703 00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:18,320 would have to allow things like public 704 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:21,120 comment or things like that, but when 705 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:23,279 you've got four or more of you convened 706 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,640 discussing board business, that's that's 707 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:27,520 a public meeting. So, that's why it 708 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,360 would need to be open to the public. Um, 709 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,120 one way 710 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,320 to tackle that, I mean, we can certainly 711 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,960 do it in a public meeting. Um, if you'd 712 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,559 rather not, we can just keep, as Bren 713 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,080 said, we can just Brenn and Justin have 714 00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:45,600 said, we can just keep, um, attendees to 715 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,120 three current board members um, and and 716 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,600 just do two separate meetings if we need 717 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,679 to. I mean, that doubles some people's 718 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,080 time and effort, but it's it's an 719 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:56,080 option. And it also allows 720 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,559 uh for you know if you want to get into 721 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,640 really detailed attorney client 722 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:03,600 communications. I mean you're not doing 723 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:06,480 it in a public meeting. So really up to 724 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,480 you guys. Um I sort of envision this as 725 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,679 just a general introduction of here's 726 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:14,000 what the public meetings act is. Here's 727 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:16,480 um here's how you conduct board meetings 728 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,640 and you know things like that. So, I'm 729 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,880 I'm fine doing it in a public board 730 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,399 meeting, but I I'm certainly not opposed 731 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,519 to just doubling up and doing two 732 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:29,120 separate meetings with three of you guys 733 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:31,039 or fewer. So, and we can discuss all 734 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,440 that. I mean, I I'll get the contact 735 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:36,159 information from Bren after the meeting 736 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,640 and then I can touch base with uh the 737 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:40,240 the former board member who's offered to 738 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:44,200 help and we can sort of talk through 739 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,200 those things. So, 740 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,600 Oh, go ahead, Bren. 741 00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:50,480 » I was just gonna say I think Justin has 742 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,320 his hand up. 743 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,279 » Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. 744 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:59,279 » Okay, thanks. Um, so the um we've done 745 00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:03,039 this before. [clears throat] It's been 746 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:06,080 several years and uh the in the past we 747 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:10,159 have selected an alternate day rather 748 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:12,559 than a a a regular meeting day for the 749 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:15,760 the board. it is a public meeting and 750 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:20,240 and but nobody was interested in coming 751 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:22,960 to it. Uh but uh as as Elliot said, 752 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,559 there's no public comment, but it is 753 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,519 open to the public. So So we could set 754 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,000 aside some time uh either before or 755 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:34,799 after the regular business of a meeting 756 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,440 and do it that way or just on a separate 757 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,960 day that's convenient for you. We just 758 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,960 have to make sure that it gets noticed 759 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,960 up in advance. I think it's 760 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,679 makes more sense to do it as a public 761 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,480 meeting because 762 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,399 um it is the public's business and and 763 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,120 we hope that more than three would be 764 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:56,720 interested in in participating in the 765 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,360 training particularly because we have so 766 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,320 many new members of the board. So that 767 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,279 would be my recommendation, but uh 768 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:07,600 certainly uh Director Veette should 769 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:11,240 weigh in on that and and you as a board 770 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,240 can make that decision, 771 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:17,280 but it's not a new thing. What I'm 772 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,879 saying is we've done this before, but 773 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:22,320 it's been a number of years. 774 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:25,200 » At this point, we're just looking for 775 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:28,240 feedback back to uh Bren because we 776 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,159 can't take action on it. Okay, that 777 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,000 concludes the enforcement report. I 778 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,119 appreciate your time. 779 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,839 » Thank you. 780 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:38,079 » Thank you. 781 00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:41,879 » Is there any other items anyone members 782 00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,879 of the board want to bring up? 783 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:50,560 » If not, uh we're to item number four for 784 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:53,560 adjournment. So, if there is a motion to 785 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560 adjurnn, 786 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,599 » Uh, I'll present a or make a motion to 787 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,320 adjurnn. 788 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:06,720 » We have a motion and a second. 789 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,760 There's a second. All in favor say I. 790 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,960 » I. 791 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,720 » I. 792 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,599 » And we are ajourned. Thank you. 793 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:18,040 » Thank you. 794 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:18,040 » Thank you guys. Bye.