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All right. I'm I'm Lisa Richards and

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Survey Board. Welcome everybody and

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anybody who's joining us online. I'd

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like to call this meeting of the Utah

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Geological Survey Board to order.

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And it is now 8:34 on April 15th, 2026.

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virtually with Google Meet. In

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compliance with Utah's open meeting

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laws, this meeting is being recorded in

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This recording is classified as a public

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record and the following board members

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Myself, Ken Fleck, Becky Hammond, Dale

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Bert, Riley Brinkerhoff, Michael Hanson,

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Rich Borden, and Annie Biddulph from

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Sila is joining us online.

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And there are zero board members absent.

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All individuals representing the Utah

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I think that covers it. Is that correct?

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electronic devices be turned off.

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reflected in the minutes and recorded by

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board member and motion to accept the

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All right, let's start with the minutes.

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minutes from the January 21st, 2016

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meeting? So moved.

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formally approve the contract proposals

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board meeting and today they say I. I.

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Director's report.

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process of sending these out by email

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for you guys to look over and send back

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an email and stuff working for you guys.

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manager. We're so excited to welcome

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financials and has prepared a financial

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light, right? And then they say,

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about your side hustle? This is one of

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my favorite things about you.

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So, Wynn also does stand-up comedy.

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She does stand-up comedy at Wise Guys.

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I'm not doing it for money or anything,

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for fun. You have to send that out to

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everybody.

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to begin getting to know all all of our

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geologists and the scientists and I kind

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of think she's going to get a lot of

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good material. She's going to survey.

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introductions and Michael, do you want

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to start? I'm Michael Hanson. I work in

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I'd like to so join Michael just joined

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our board within the last year, I think.

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interests on the board.

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retired from the coal industry.

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that we have electricity.

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I'm not even a basin.

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I actually came on the board.

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I'm I'm Leslie Richards and I've been on

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the board five years.

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nonprofit and I work with utilities

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across the United States.

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specializing in metals mining.

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the presentation. We have a um financial

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um who you may know, he works out of our

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Cedar City office just reached his 20

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southern Utah for us. He's great at

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external engagement as well. He's been a

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uh hazards map that showed extensive

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land subsidence that actually has

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resources for Uintah Valley, so for

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Uintah City. And then Claire Spangenberg

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these with you. Um so uh phragmites in

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the phragmites problem in Utah and how

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four-pager. That's just a summary of

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critical minerals information that we

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can now use instead of sending around a 67-page report um to people who

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critical minerals in Utah.

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Wetlands mapping and loss in Utah

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Valley, um Kip Goodwin, Rebecca

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Molinari, who you may remember went out

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um

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few hours for us while she

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takes care of some new kids. And

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Elizabeth Stimmel, a frac sand potential

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on civil lands. Riley, that's for you.

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Great Salt Lake lithium sourcing and

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groundwater flow investigations.

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Um this is becoming more and more you

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know, we're getting more and more

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questions about lithium around the Great

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Salt Lake. And then this groundwater

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flow investigation was also done um in

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tandem with Aaron Brinkman from our

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groundwater group as well. Um and again,

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we're going to be you know, you've seen

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some news lately about groundwater

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beneath the Great Salt Lake, so we'll be

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getting towards the end of some

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investigations about that and should be

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able to provide some additional

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information. And then Tyler's geologic

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hazards of Bryce Canyon National Park

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that has a really beautiful map as well.

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So, if you're looking for a map of Bryce

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Canyon, this is a great publication to

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go to and you can get the full-size map

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printed out at our bookstore if you want

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to hang it on your wall.

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Uh geochemical data, um

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this is kind of a data dump on

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geochemistry and then a second

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geochemical database for Sid Strata

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um for the Uinta Basin um by kind of

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Ryan Gall and others at the survey. And

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then an update to the Quaternary fault database. We

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continually update our database um Q faults as we map more active faults

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around the state. So, all of these have

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the DOI links um or you can just jump on

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our website and look for the new

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publications to find those.

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Wanted to give you an update on

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legislative

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um what happened. I think the last time

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we met was in January, I believe. So, we

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were just going into the legislative

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session.

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So, I don't know if if any of you had a

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chance to listen to the presentation

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that we gave to the legislature. Went

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really well. What we we were not asking

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the legislature for any additional funds

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this year. We didn't have any building

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blocks to put forward.

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Um we felt that our financial position

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was really secure, so we didn't need to

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ask for any supplemental funding or

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anything. And given the legislature's

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really tight budget this year, it wasn't

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a great year to put any large proposals

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in front of them anyways. So, what we

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focused on, I thought I had a slide on

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this.

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Um what we focused on was

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um

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the return on investment that the

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geological survey provides. We focused

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on the work that we do all around the

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state. You know, our committee, the

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natural resources

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environment and appropriations

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committee, is made up of legislators

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that represent people from all over the

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state, both urban Utah as well as rural

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Utah. And so what we wanted them to know

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was that our work is done all over the

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state. So we had a map that showed where

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all of the all of our recent projects

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were and let them know that, you know,

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we were working in their

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and to consider us a resource for them

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and to their communities. And that was

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actually really

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There's a couple slides missing. I

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wonder if we have the most recent

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version of this presentation

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that resulted in us being written into

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three different bills during the

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session. So we presented on February 6th

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and almost immediately we were written

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into a couple bills [clears throat] that

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were presented during the legislative

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session. This kept Ben Delin really

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busy. Ben is one of our legislative

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liaisons and our public information

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officer. And so he was fielding these

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bills out to our ground water and

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wetland specialists and our critical

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mineral specialists and to try to get

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information on you know, could we

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actually execute the work that we were

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being charged to do in these bills and

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was there a fiscal note that we need to

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ask for

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in return.

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So, sorry, I'm going to back a slide

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here.

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So, we also, if you recall, requested

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that we amend our statute because our

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statute, as we reviewed it over the past

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year during strategic planning, our

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statute really didn't address the

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considerable amount of ground water and

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wetlands work that we do. And so we

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wanted to write that into our statute.

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So, these lines were added to powers of

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the survey,

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and then there was

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at the same time a request to amend our

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board makeup. Cuz you do remember, our

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board doesn't actually include a

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specific um

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board seats allocated to the groundwater

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industry and groundwater resources.

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So, we requested to replace there are

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four mineral seats. So, we requested to

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replace one of the mineral seats with a

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groundwater resources representative.

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Um, one of the the executive director of

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the Utah Mining Association did not want

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to lose a seat on our board.

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So, we negotiated with them that instead

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of trading out a mineral seat um

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and swapping that for groundwater, that

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we would instead add a new seat to this

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board. So, instead of having seven

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members, we will have eight members.

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And um, one of the things I would like

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to do, so so Neil, I think we

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straightened out what this means about

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your seat. Um, they will the there's a

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board

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How do I say this? Utah has a

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um, office of boards and commissions.

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And so, Cheryl consulted with them about

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how to

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go through this change, and they're

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going to add a groundwater seat to our

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list of seats for our board, and you are

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welcome to apply for that seat. And

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then, we'll have an open seat for a

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mineral industry representative.

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So, in in discuss

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>> in mineral? What's that?

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>> That's not rich.

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For metals. There are So, there's four mineral seats. So, can you

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Rich and Neil is sitting right now in

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one of those mineral seats. Industrial

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minerals, right?

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I don't It's not specific in the

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statute. In fact, let's go to the

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statute. It's not specific in the

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statute.

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So, um we'll just

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create a new groundwater seat, and Neil

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will apply for that seat.

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And when you

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are

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um when the governor approves that,

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which could happen very soon, Cheryl

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will probably send you an email about

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this. I think it'll happen within the

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next couple weeks. I would like them to

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take it to the governor, so just watch

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for an email.

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Um that will leave that fourth mineral

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industry seat open. So, I wanted I did

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want to talk with you guys about how to

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fill that seat and with what type of

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expertise. And if industrial minerals is

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a gap that we have, we can look at that.

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would actually [clears throat] be

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great for the survey because we do do a

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lot of work in an industrial minerals.

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Um in fact, Graymont is helping us drill

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a deep well. They're looking for some

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puzzling resources. And so, um they're

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going to drill a well and allow us to

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use that as a geothermal um temperature

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gradient point. Um so, we have great

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relationships with our industrial

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minerals um

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companies here.

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I also thought that since the executive

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director of the Utah Mining Association

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was so interested in our board makeup,

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that we could also ask him if he'd like

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to help solicit a board member from

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their membership as well. We're actually

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meeting with him for lunch today to talk

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about um Steph's uh BHP project. So, but

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I wanted to kind of take you guys'

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temperature and get your thoughts about

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that.

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>> Who is the UMA director? His name is

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Bryan Somers.

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I don't know if any of your businesses

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are part of UMA or not.

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>> I know him.

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So, so yeah.

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Um but this is this will be an open

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seat. So, we'd love for your help to

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recruit a new board member.

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It would just be minerals. He's not

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being specified.

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So, this is how the new statute actually

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this is not correct. You know, Cheryl,

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we might have to pull up a different

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presentation.

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>> the one on the shared drive. That's

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what's on there.

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That's interesting.

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Um

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Does it have Does it have uh wind slides

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in it? Mhm. Okay.

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This is strange. So, it would be four

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members. Yeah, this is Yeah, this is not

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updated. This is not correct. I had

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updated this slide.

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Well, there's a lot missing here. I

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wonder if you updated while she was in

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it and then hers overrode what you did

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and you hadn't saved it yet.

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What's that?

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There may have been an issue when you

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both you both might have it open. I

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don't think so.

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I pulled it up from shared drive, so I'm

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not sure. Yeah, no, the version that I

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completed editing yesterday afternoon

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had wind slides in it. So, um

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this is actually four. And as you'll

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notice, we also added geothermal.

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So, this is another opportunity also was

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that we could recruit someone from the

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geothermal industry. I do want to talk

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to Brian Summers about this also.

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But what are your thoughts about this?

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I think if you looked at employment and

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revenue,

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oil and gas, metals, coal,

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industrial minerals is it missing?

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board Yeah.

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I agree. Who do you want? Who do you

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think makes the composition? Well, I

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wanted to make a comment back to Ken

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about the coal industry. Um

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I was just in Tucson last week for a

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meeting of the Intermountain West

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Coalition, which is a coalition of

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Western State Geological Surveys.

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And um DOE has kind of renewed their

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focus on coal. They're going to be

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putting a lot of attention on not just coal mine exploration and

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mining, but also on the processing and

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kind of the logistics about getting coal

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to market. Um so, I'm glad you're here

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and you may see some additional funding

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coming into the coal industry. I think

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we have Riley's been a you know, great

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representative of the oil and gas

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industry. We've had Richard on you know,

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precious metals. I think industrial

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minerals is a great objective for us.

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That touches a lot of counties in the

555
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state. [clears throat] Yeah. Uh

556
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,400
thanks, too.

557
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,720
>> That's a great point is that, you know,

558
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,920
it's it's everywhere, right? It's a

559
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:16,920
necessary resource. Um and I think

560
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,840
in terms of economics, it's a especially

561
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,440
on the aggregates, it is a big driver

562
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,800
for Utah's economy. So, um so if that's

563
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,760
what you guys are thinking, I'll talk to

564
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,400
Brian about that and then if you have

565
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,080
candidates that you think would be great

566
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,040
for our board, please help us recruit a

567
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,120
new board member for this seat.

568
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,520
And then they all will just put you

569
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,200
through a couple exercises to move you

570
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,000
over to ground water.

571
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,160
That will also be an open seat. So, it's

572
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,200
possible other people would apply. Um I

573
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,800
don't know that we'll widely distribute

574
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,310
that, though. So.

575
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,440
You know, geothermal's important, too.

576
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,480
You know, with all that's that's going

577
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,440
on There's definitely a lot more flux in

578
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,560
geo jobs.

579
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,040
And geothermal right now.

580
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,800
I mean they're hiring a whole bunch of

581
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,880
stuff. They are. There's a lot of

582
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,240
companies coming into Utah.

583
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,230
Yeah.

584
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,200
Verb just had their water right

585
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,750
application approved. Oh, they did?

586
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,000
Oh, interesting.

587
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720
Oh, we'll have to talk about that.

588
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,120
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, both Verb and

589
00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,920
Zanskar presented at the Northwest

590
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,520
meeting. So.

591
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,680
Um.

592
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,520
In terms of like longevity and stability

593
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,640
for our board, and I can also talk to

594
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,640
our our program managers about this. But

595
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,760
in terms of longevity and stability for

596
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,360
our board, I'm thinking industrial

597
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:55,750
minerals right now. So.

598
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,440
Is there a demand from

599
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,720
that industry for

600
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,200
geologic

601
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,840
products? Yes. Yes. Yeah, and in fact if

602
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,120
you go back to some of the publications,

603
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,320
um this

604
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,680
silica sand potential on SITLA lands,

605
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,120
and there was another I think possible

606
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,800
lands on SITLA lands. SITLA SITLA is and

607
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,000
Andy's on the call, maybe he wants to

608
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,360
speak more to this. But SITLA does

609
00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:28,560
promote their lands for for mineral

610
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,720
development. And because they're not

611
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,840
federal lands, the permitting is quite a

612
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,920
bit more straightforward.

613
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,520
Andy, do you want to do you have any

614
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,520
comments on this?

615
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,120
Yeah, I mean we depend heavily on the

616
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:42,520
survey to do to do work like this on our

617
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,520
lands, cuz we have we have a lot of land

618
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,040
and we don't know everything that's on

619
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,360
it. So.

620
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:51,080
Um we regularly hire the survey to do

621
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,080
reports resource reports, maybe a

622
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,720
specific area. Maybe it's more general

623
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,200
like the frac sand

624
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,920
where they're looking at that. So, um

625
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,800
it's been a a great tool for us and and

626
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,280
actually we probably have 30 to 50

627
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,520
reports

628
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,040
that have come over the last 20 years

629
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,920
um that are similar to this fracsand

630
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,520
report.

631
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,520
Yeah.

632
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,880
And so I guess the other part is that uh

633
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,040
you mentioned that there's no NEPA on

634
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480
trust land. So, a lot of companies

635
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,840
um like that Graymont Pozzolan for an

636
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,400
example, that's going to be on trust

637
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,960
lands because they can get stuff done on

638
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,990
trust lands as opposed to federal lands.

639
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,270
Thank you.

640
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,280
Any comments or feedback on Becky's

641
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,200
comment about geothermal representation?

642
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,400
I think it's definitely something worth

643
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,520
considering, I guess, the Okay. the how

644
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,840
the Okay. market evolves.

645
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Yeah.

646
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:52,680
Okay.

647
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Well, let me have lunch with Brian

648
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,640
Summers today. I'll mention this

649
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,840
um

650
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,520
and see what if he has thoughts and then

651
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,640
our energy and minerals program manager

652
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,320
is out of the country right now. So,

653
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,000
when Mike comes back

654
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,120
um and so

655
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,720
Do you guys want me to circle back with

656
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,400
you? um for comments

657
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,870
Let me send you something in email.

658
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,200
Yeah, I mean and you know that

659
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,760
geothermal is often helpful with the

660
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,120
ground water.

661
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,360
I'm curious how a lot of this Oh, sorry.

662
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,720
Well, the industry geothermal industry I was under the impression a lot of it

663
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,120
like uh like it permitting is under

664
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,160
civil engineering

665
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,400
um

666
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,880
work.

667
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,920
Um that will get the initial and maybe

668
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280
the final

669
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,440
permits in.

670
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,440
Have I I don't have a sense. How many

671
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,880
geologists do you have at work?

672
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,360
critical minerals and natural minerals.

673
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,480
I'm sorry. Uh and natural minerals

674
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,600
That is a good question and maybe that's

675
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Cheryl, will you make a note about that

676
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520
question in your minutes about how many

677
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,200
geologists work in the industrial

678
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,440
minerals field? I'm sure Andrew Rupke

679
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,200
and have some information on that.

680
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,960
So,

681
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,400
I know that there were, you know, um

682
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,200
the our energy lead, Mike Vandenberg and

683
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,080
Andrew Rupke

684
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,320
um write up a like minerals in Utah

685
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,560
report every year. It's usually a year

686
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,440
delayed. There's a lag time because they

687
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,120
have to wait kind of for the end of the

688
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,560
year. It takes some time to write it up.

689
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,360
So, the most recent one was published

690
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,560
for the 2024 year.

691
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,320
Those reports have um

692
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,480
production values and tonnages, I think,

693
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,280
listed in the report. So, we can look at

694
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,160
the, you know, kind of the economic

695
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,360
driver aspect of the industrial

696
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,160
minerals. But, I know that this is the

697
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,000
focus of Andrew Rupke. So, we have a We

698
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
have a manager of industrial minerals.

699
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Um and Taylor Boden works under under

700
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,520
Andrew.

701
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,520
So, I'll talk to our minerals team about

702
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,600
this. This could be You know, the energy

703
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,960
and minerals team is geothermal, oil and

704
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,800
gas, you know, coal, and um you know,

705
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:15,150
precious metals and industrial minerals.

706
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,520
Yeah, this was an unexpected

707
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,240
kind of last minute day before the vote

708
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,760
sort of shift. So, I was just glad that

709
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,080
we could negotiate something that works

710
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,640
for our board.

711
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,400
So.

712
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,000
It's likely they'd be kind of a surface

713
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,680
geology expert as well. A lot of us do a

714
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,280
lot of subsurface work like that

715
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,920
industry.

716
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,800
Geomorphologist.

717
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,600
>> Yeah, that's geomorphology, quaternary

718
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,950
geology, and I bring that aspect

719
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,560
Okay. We do a lot of studies for people

720
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,360
in it so long and then it's going to be

721
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,000
done.

722
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,520
And they're not just looking for sand

723
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,760
and gravel.

724
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,080
Like films Yeah, aggregates.

725
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,640
Right. Films, road base.

726
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,280
>> They want to know what's there. If they

727
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680
want to eat their life or then purchase

728
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,360
the land. Okay.

729
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,160
All right. That's good to know. So we

730
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,520
have some we have some connections to

731
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000
the industrial minerals and we have some

732
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
connections to the geothermal.

733
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,720
Yes.

734
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,270
But with water resources.

735
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Okay. One thing I also thought that was

736
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,720
missing from DOGAMI's they're they do

737
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,990
not regulate sand and gravel operations.

738
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,720
Is that in the county land?

739
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Yeah.

740
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,840
I mean, yeah, so they don't permit sand

741
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,840
and gravel. They don't require

742
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,760
reclamation.

743
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440
Bonding.

744
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Um which kind of always bugged me being

745
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,040
on the board DOGAMI.

746
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,640
When you look at the scale of some of

747
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,505
those things.

748
00:29:47,515 --> 00:29:47,600
» [clears throat]

749
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:54,150
>> I couldn't agree more. It's the wild west sometimes with gravel.

750
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,160
Well, and they often had a lot of

751
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,040
accidents. And I do have some training

752
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,080
every year and sand and gravel operators have a lot

753
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,880
of

754
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,120
incidents. Not that we're a regulator,

755
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,920
but it's just something that's sort of

756
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,320
missing.

757
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,840
I don't know who's who's

758
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,560
Well, it's So is how does that affect

759
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,320
our board? So let's kind of follow that.

760
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,120
I'm trying to outline our thinking for a

761
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,320
minute. Is that you know, would it be

762
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,240
helpful for them to have insight? Would

763
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,160
it be helpful for that industry to have

764
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,880
insights into what the geological survey

765
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:39,390
is doing? And vice versa.

766
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Because this This also a part of helping

767
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080
industry see, you know, how we how we

768
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120
support that industry or finding out

769
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240
what their needs are so we can make sure

770
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,400
that we're

771
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,240
you know, providing that. Ideally, you

772
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
find someone with a big network

773
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,510
in the industry.

774
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:02,190
Just outside of it, I don't know.

775
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,840
We're going to take our time on this, so

776
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,560
no decisions is to be made right now. We

777
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,400
have a our next meeting is in August.

778
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,640
So, maybe we'll just let the boards and

779
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,000
commissions thing get stood up

780
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,200
and be thoughtful about this. So, I'll

781
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,160
talk to our E&M lead and maybe

782
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,600
circulate some thoughts back for you

783
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,120
guys and I'll talk to Brian Summers at

784
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Utah Mining also.

785
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,120
I would think you could get a, you know,

786
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,880
somebody from like Staker Parson or

787
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,560
something like that. They they have like

788
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,360
a bunch of hits. I don't One of the

789
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,400
bigger

790
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,040
players, yeah.

791
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,720
>> Yeah, I got you. Yeah, the the the book

792
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,640
is on pauses. You know, I I I keep

793
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560
pretty close tabs on a couple of the

794
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,960
geology programs, BYU, University of

795
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Utah, the University of Utah.

796
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,680
I don't know any grants that went to

797
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,280
industry mirrors.

798
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,040
Any geology grants.

799
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,400
There could have been some. I just don't

800
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,960
know any. I don't know if you guys have

801
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720
heard of any.

802
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,160
Just know what that community looks like

803
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,000
or if there isn't much.

804
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Okay, so a key question to answer is,

805
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,400
you know, how many geologists work in

806
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,800
the industrial minerals field.

807
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,800
>> Where they come from, how they get

808
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,040
there, and then what they need. Yeah.

809
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Right. You might find the only

810
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,120
geologists you can find are looking for

811
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,880
really good limestone deposits or

812
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,320
something like that.

813
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,440
>> Yeah.

814
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Well, I know I used to get calls about,

815
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,600
you know, can you help us find ground

816
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,680
new gravel pits, right? I mean, Sunroc,

817
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Granite, they're all looking for new

818
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,680
resources all over the place and the

819
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,360
closer to

820
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,440
the development sites, the better.

821
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,960
So, they're out there, and then it is

822
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080
also possible that once you get that

823
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,680
job, that's just a job you stay in for

824
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,800
a long time. So,

825
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,080
like many of our industries, maybe that

826
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,840
turnover just hasn't happened yet.

827
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,640
They're all going to age out of being,

828
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
you know, gravel geologists and then say

829
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,280
goodbye or something, and then there

830
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
won't be any new ones. So, don't forget

831
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240
to train people in doing industrial

832
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,600
minerals.

833
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,600
That's a good question for Mike and

834
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Andrew.

835
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,720
>> It is a good question. Yeah.

836
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,160
and Andrew. So.

837
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Well, there's also minerals like gypsum,

838
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,080
um

839
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,240
which is industrial, but it's also

840
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,000
locatable.

841
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Um but it, you know, it's not a metal.

842
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Uh

843
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,640
there's

844
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,840
geologists that go into that sort of

845
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,720
mining

846
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,560
there.

847
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,600
Well, it's I'm thinking of So, my

848
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,480
brother-in-law works for the limited

849
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,720
company plant as a geologist, but he's

850
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,240
all permitting

851
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,000
the people that actually do the mine

852
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,640
control for the lifestyle, but

853
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,920
geologists

854
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,200
that they're all civil engineers.

855
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760
True. That's interesting.

856
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,560
Sheryl, will you make another note, and

857
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,000
that is to circulate the 2024 mining

858
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
report to the board?

859
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Let's send you guys that report. Take a

860
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,640
look at the report because it does go

861
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,760
through um both, you know, metallic and

862
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,800
industrial minerals and the values and,

863
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,720
you know, like industry leaders in

864
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,159
production and that kind of stuff. Mike

865
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,000
Vandenburg keeps pretty close tabs on

866
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,679
mining in general, and I think Andrew

867
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,879
Rupke keeps pretty close tabs on

868
00:34:21,879 --> 00:34:24,120
um the aggregates and other industry. We

869
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,320
had a whole workshop. Andrew stood up a

870
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,399
whole workshop last year where he

871
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,440
brought all of the industrial minerals

872
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,480
um geologists in, and people flew in

873
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,360
from across the country for this

874
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,760
conference. So, there were probably

875
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,080
40 people in the room, which is more

876
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,679
than you would think for something like

877
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,600
that. It's very popular. There was good

878
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,200
science that was presented. We can

879
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,480
actually get a list of the names. Maybe

880
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,800
this is another follow-up, Cheryl, is a

881
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,440
list of the names from Andrews

882
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,800
Industrial Minerals Conference.

883
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,960
At your website, you are representing

884
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,564
industrial minerals right now. Okay.

885
00:35:02,574 --> 00:35:02,680
» [laughter]

886
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,960
>> Well, then.

887
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,880
That may That precedent might be the

888
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,720
tipping

889
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,990
conversation.

890
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,680
Okay.

891
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,920
I'm sorry. We got a hand brace on them?

892
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:17,960
Yeah.

893
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,040
Uh, just just I went to that conference

894
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,680
that Andrew put on. There was a lot of

895
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,960
people. There was wholesome people.

896
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,120
There was some ash grove people.

897
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,680
Um, Great Mom Western people.

898
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,150
So, I think that's a great idea.

899
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,760
Thank you.

900
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,720
Great input, you guys. I think we just

901
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,720
got some important data points right at

902
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,080
the tail end of this conversation. All

903
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,800
right, shall we move on then?

904
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,110
Okay.

905
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,880
See, so we that is the changes to our

906
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,440
board.

907
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,760
And then with that, uh, we can turn it

908
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,440
over to Wynn. Do you want to come sit

909
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,720
here?

910
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,080
Do you want to sit or do you want to

911
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,710
stand?

912
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:08,590
Yes.

913
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,349
Do you have any accounting jokes?

914
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:14,830
>> [laughter]

915
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,080
» I need to do that next time, and I will.

916
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,190
Okay. So, I'll take that as a challenge.

917
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,560
Okay. So, uh, put together with the

918
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,280
collaboration from staff, um, together a

919
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,200
financial department update for the

920
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,320
survey

921
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,440
year-to-date. So this the data is

922
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480
up-to-date as of

923
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,000
April 10th, which is last Friday.

924
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Um

925
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:44,830
So

926
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:49,230
Let's use the arrows.

927
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,590
Okay.

928
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,200
So on the

929
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,200
right-hand side you see that's just

930
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,800
total appropriation that we have

931
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,640
year-to-date available funding. And all

932
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,120
that data key point I'm going to go

933
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,080
through in a minute. I want to have a

934
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,280
sense of where we are.

935
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,720
Um so I'm not going to go over this but

936
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,200
this is just [snorts] kind of

937
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,960
want to give you an idea of what we're

938
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,880
going to be discussing today. So we're

939
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640
going to go over the overview, go over

940
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,640
the appropriation year-to-date that we

941
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,840
have, where are we in terms of

942
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,680
collection for funding outside and

943
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,760
expenditures, and how is the outlook for

944
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,880
the end of the year.

945
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,400
So I'm going to start off with the

946
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,840
funding architectures for the survey. So

947
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,120
as you can see

948
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,040
the funding source that we get are the

949
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,520
general fund, which is made up of the

950
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,520
beginning non-lapse at the beginning of

951
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,800
the year for the general fund and the

952
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
general fund one-time that were given.

953
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,880
All of that together for the survey for

954
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160
the fiscal year 2026, which start from

955
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,200
July 1st until June 30th of this year is

956
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200
8.9 million. And so that number alone as

957
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,080
you can see is not going to be

958
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,560
sufficient for the survey to operate and

959
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,080
deliver missions critical plan. And so

960
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,280
we have supplement of restricted

961
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,400
account, which is coming from our

962
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,400
restricted account

963
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,800
1137. We'll go over them in detail. And

964
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,560
then land exchange distribution account,

965
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,920
which is 1335.

966
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,080
Um those restricted account

967
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,200
uh uh um the risk associated with them

968
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,080
is we need to monitor that so that we

969
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880
don't over draw because of revenue

970
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,280
coming in and we have to make sure that

971
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,760
is balanced. The outside funding that's

972
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,280
supplementing the operating budget

973
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,600
coming from the federal grant component,

974
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,000
the dedicated credit expendable receipt,

975
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,160
as well as a transfer. So, the maximum

976
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,280
authority set by the appropriation

977
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,920
allowance to to maximum captures of

978
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,720
revenue, but our earning or our

979
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,440
collections is determined by the actual

980
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,280
project that we deliver from the survey.

981
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,720
And so, all of that component making up

982
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,240
the operating budget for the survey,

983
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:06,880
which is

984
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,520
a fixed funding

985
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,360
from the general fund and the restricted

986
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,360
account of 12.23 million and outside

987
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,440
funding

988
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,717
um which is 6.27 million.

989
00:39:16,717 --> 00:39:17,520
[clears throat]

990
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Uh we'll go over both of those

991
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,360
components in detail in a minute.

992
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,440
On the expenditure side of things, the

993
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
personnel service uh accounted for

994
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,240
majority of the expenditures, 76% of the

995
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,880
total spent. And year-to-date, we have

996
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,280
spent 8.2 million. So, if you look at

997
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,960
that and look at the general fund,

998
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,240
obviously we need to make sure that our

999
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,240
effort and outside funding collections

1000
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,280
is up to date as well as restricted

1001
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,080
account uh a close monitor. And then the

1002
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,280
outside funding life cycle life cycle,

1003
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,280
as you can see, it started with the

1004
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,000
program manager and the staff putting

1005
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,120
together the grant proposal. They plan

1006
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,520
for the resource

1007
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,280
with their team and then they work

1008
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,000
through the scheduling.

1009
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,280
And then, based on whether it deliver on

1010
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,760
time or late delivery, then we'll have

1011
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,040
no cost extensions or the fund itself

1012
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
get elapsed. Then it get to billing, and

1013
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,600
then we'll make sure that it actually

1014
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
get collected so that we have available

1015
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960
funding to spend.

1016
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,280
And though so with the outside funding,

1017
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,640
the key risk that the survey would face

1018
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,000
is obviously late delivery for a project

1019
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
so that the fund would elapse or we have

1020
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,600
resource capacity bandwidth issues that

1021
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,520
then make us not able to deliver and

1022
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,240
then we have a no cost extension which

1023
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:39,640
would bring it to the next year's budget

1024
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920
and then any delayed billing that would

1025
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,800
then reduce our year end budget. So that

1026
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,120
is kind of

1027
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,480
overview of the funding architectures

1028
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,400
you probably all know, but as the

1029
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
newbie, I just want to give myself a

1030
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,040
refresher. So coming in

1031
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,720
the the visions that um

1032
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,920
the finance team want to take upon is

1033
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,840
number one take care of our people. We

1034
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,440
want to make sure that we have a

1035
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
long-term funded workforce plan and not

1036
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,840
just relying on one component of the

1037
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,400
grant and that mean that we have a clear

1038
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,640
funding

1039
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,720
source understanding for FTE at the time

1040
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,760
of hiring and whether they are tied to a

1041
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,200
state funding or a outside funding

1042
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,520
source.

1043
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,360
We want to monitor the all the funding

1044
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
component closely so that's coming from

1045
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640
the restricted account as well as the

1046
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,920
outside funding billing and collections

1047
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
to make sure that is up to date. Um and

1048
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,200
the last component is the forecast. We

1049
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,960
want to make sure that we partner with

1050
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,360
team and stakeholders so that we have

1051
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,440
the most accurate forecast for the

1052
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,880
survey so that operation can be smoothed

1053
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,440
out and that we remove all the admin

1054
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,640
burden

1055
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,520
that staff has had to endure so that

1056
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,080
they can focus on missions critical

1057
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,080
work. Um and so with that, the key

1058
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520
financials activity and you will see in

1059
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,200
the way that the thought process in the

1060
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,160
next few slides show that we want to

1061
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,800
make sure that the funding source

1062
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
mapping is clear. We want to make sure

1063
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,840
that we balancing between our

1064
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,120
collections and taking in our status of

1065
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,600
our restricted account. And then if any

1066
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,480
issue, we want to flag that early and

1067
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,320
then

1068
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,000
again, forecasting, forecasting, right? Can I ask about

1069
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,560
collections? Is the collection

1070
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Is there much friction on collections?

1071
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,280
Do we have a hard time with that? Cuz it

1072
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,960
seems like it's mostly governmental

1073
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,600
agencies. We'll go over that in a

1074
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,400
minute. We have the answer for you on

1075
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,040
that. Um

1076
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,840
And Ben can give more color on that,

1077
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:40,640
too.

1078
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,044
But stay tuned.

1079
00:42:43,044 --> 00:42:47,070
>> [laughter]

1080
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,840
» So, here's is year-to-date revised

1081
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
appropriations went up

1082
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,320
by 1.04 million compared to the

1083
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,840
beginning of the year. Majority of that

1084
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280
is in outside funding appropriation.

1085
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,120
We'll go over that in detail.

1086
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,120
Year-to-date expenditures is 10.7

1087
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,000
million right now as of again April 10,

1088
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,520
2026.

1089
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,840
That represents 72% of available

1090
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,520
funding. I'm going to pause that and

1091
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,320
just want to give kudos to everybody on

1092
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,280
the survey because at 75% of the year

1093
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,640
has gone past, they only at 72%. So,

1094
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,040
that's great work for everybody

1095
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,200
involved. Um

1096
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,480
The second thing that I want to

1097
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,040
highlight is year-to-date the survey has

1098
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,280
built outside funding 3.54 million.

1099
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,400
That's is incredible cuz that represents

1100
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,240
79% of total from 2025

1101
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,040
alone. And that only accounted from July

1102
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,440
till February, which is only a 67% of

1103
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,960
the year. So, they have done a great job

1104
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,400
billing out. Um non-lapse

1105
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,120
that we have authority to carry forward

1106
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,920
to next year's was increased to 3.65

1107
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,640
million, which is kudos to Russ who was

1108
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,640
not here today as well as Ben and Roger

1109
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,440
and everybody else who have put together

1110
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,920
that and get that approved. Um

1111
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,880
We already talked about the funding

1112
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,480
utilizations that is at 71%

1113
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,680
um

1114
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,440
I think it's 71%. So, sorry about the

1115
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,560
mismatch between 71 and 72% of that.

1116
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,400
Um and then just a note that those 3.65

1117
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,840
million

1118
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,200
we have in 10 language so that with that

1119
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400
uh at the bottom that you can see how it

1120
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,680
can be distributed across different

1121
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,920
project and expenditure category.

1122
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,520
And that 3.65 just want to call out that

1123
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,880
does not represent the actual

1124
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,200
year-to-date. The forecast will show you

1125
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,920
in a little bit. That's just a maximum

1126
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,640
income that we have. Can I just add something

1127
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,680
to the slide? At this time last year in

1128
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,240
April, we had identified that we were

1129
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:03,440
not on track. Actually, we identified

1130
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,680
this in January thanks to some work that

1131
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,840
Ben did, that we were way behind on our

1132
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,520
revenue collections, like hundreds and

1133
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,560
hundreds of thousands of dollars.

1134
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,600
Meaning that people weren't focused on

1135
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,120
executing their grant commitments. They

1136
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,880
were just working on whatever and not

1137
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,200
putting

1138
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,160
grant codes on their timesheets

1139
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,360
whether they were working on them or

1140
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,920
not. So, we weren't able to collect that

1141
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,120
revenue.

1142
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,680
And it was one of the reasons why we

1143
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,960
were running such a significant deficit

1144
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,360
last year. So, starting in February,

1145
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,080
early February, and remember that some

1146
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,440
of this was triggered triggered by

1147
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,320
digging into our financials because of

1148
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,360
the federal freeze, right? So, we were

1149
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,800
like, well,

1150
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,600
how far along are we on some of these

1151
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
grants? How much do we have at risk? And

1152
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,320
Ben identified that people actually

1153
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,800
there were a lot of people not charging

1154
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,920
to those grants. And so, we had a

1155
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,160
conversation with staff about setting

1156
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560
aside other projects,

1157
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,760
focusing on their grant work, making

1158
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,120
sure those codes were on their

1159
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:09,640
timesheet. This is such a simple thing

1160
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,560
if you've been in consulting, you know,

1161
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,120
you live and die by this, right? Um and

1162
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,840
also for those supervisors that are

1163
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,520
signing those timesheets to make sure

1164
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,080
that their staff are actually putting

1165
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,720
those cons codes on there. That's their

1166
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,400
job. And so, I think part of this was

1167
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,240
having some newer supervisors, not

1168
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:26,960
really training. I think just a loss of

1169
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,600
focus in general at the survey, but it

1170
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,640
was really one conversation. And Ben

1171
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,400
also was able to go back and back charge

1172
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,720
some of our grants and recover some some

1173
00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:42,600
of those um charges. So, by April, we

1174
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
were moving, you know, in the right

1175
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
direction. By the time we closed out in

1176
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,080
July, or you know, June 30th, we had

1177
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,480
basically um

1178
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,680
overcome that revenue loss. So, this is

1179
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,600
a big pivot and knowing that we're, you

1180
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,200
know, three-quarters of the way through

1181
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,320
the year, we're at 70-plus percent of

1182
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,640
our revenue capture,

1183
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,160
we're right on track and that is where

1184
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,840
we want to be. And so, yeah, our staff

1185
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,520
did a great job. Ben did a great job

1186
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,880
identifying this, Wednesday a great job

1187
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880
actually tracking this. Um but this was

1188
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,000
a big turnaround for the survey and I

1189
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,600
think has put us on track for success,

1190
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,960
you know, now and going forward. So.

1191
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Thank you for that. And then if I can

1192
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:30,920
just say one more thing about this carry

1193
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,720
forward. Our carry forward in the past

1194
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,640
was about 2.1 million. But because we

1195
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,960
have a multi-million dollar building

1196
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,160
block,

1197
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,760
with that, that's a three about a

1198
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,440
three-year building block, right? That

1199
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,840
1.75 million. So, we need to be able to

1200
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,680
take that, you know, large amount of

1201
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,560
funds into subsequent years with us or

1202
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,560
we would we have a lapsing ceiling. It

1203
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,760
was 2.1 million. And so, if we had, you

1204
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,760
know, 3.2 million because we're carrying

1205
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,280
over additional building block funds,

1206
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,080
we would those funds would be swept and

1207
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,720
we would lose them. So, what Russ and

1208
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,960
Ben and our finance director at DNR,

1209
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Roger Lewis, did was ask our legislative

1210
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,360
fiscal analyst to raise that

1211
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
appropriation ceiling so we can take

1212
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,680
more funds with us into subsequent

1213
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,920
years. So, we have a Ruby lapsing

1214
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160
ceiling now of 3.65 million.

1215
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,600
That just kind of provides us with some

1216
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
additional background on how important

1217
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,240
those numbers are for us and the thought

1218
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,240
that forethought that it requires to

1219
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,880
kind of think through that and look

1220
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,800
ahead so that we protect those funds

1221
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:41,880
Thank you.

1222
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,480
Any other questions before I move on to

1223
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,230
the next?

1224
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,920
Okay, so here's our appropriations that

1225
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,000
after revisions, um so we have the fixed

1226
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
funding went down by 91

1227
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,560
what, 7K? Represent that about 0.7% as

1228
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,920
you can see, general fund one-time was

1229
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,950
cut by down by 115,700

1230
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
and then restricted account we have more

1231
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,600
authority to to draw from those. Uh on

1232
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,760
the outside funding

1233
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,920
the appropriation for federal fund

1234
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,640
one-time dedicated credit as well

1235
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,720
expendable uh receipt and transfer all

1236
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,440
went up and that work is critical

1237
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200
because you'll see in a minute in our

1238
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
forecast that we needed that room so

1239
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,720
that we can collect more uh for this

1240
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,670
year.

1241
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,760
Okay, so here's the fixed fund um

1242
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,200
restricted

1243
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960
fund 11137

1244
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,960
that we talked about. So, these the

1245
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,760
makeup of these require four different

1246
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,560
revenue lines as you can see here and

1247
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,080
we'll go over the that performing in

1248
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,880
detail in the next slide, but I just

1249
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,200
want to call out that of those makeup of

1250
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,960
those four revenue line um

1251
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,000
for

1252
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,040
First of all, the uh

1253
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,760
my occupation tax the mineral, we get a

1254
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,680
deposit of revenue on a quarterly basis,

1255
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,840
and the year-to-date revenue from that

1256
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,640
was 200 uh 13 230 13k, and in average uh

1257
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,040
each quarter about 71 um

1258
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,920
71k. For the

1259
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,560
next one, uh oil and gas, um also on a

1260
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,440
quarterly basis, we get a deposit into

1261
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,120
the restricted account, and year-to-date

1262
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,560
we have collected 958k,

1263
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,680
and then in average each quarter the

1264
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,320
check is about 319k.

1265
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,840
So, for both of those, we have one more

1266
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,920
quarter that we will be able to collect

1267
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,160
from those two account, and then for

1268
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,000
that last uh section, that's the

1269
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,680
projections of how much we think that

1270
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,480
we'll be able to to bring in uh

1271
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,560
for last quarter, basically just using

1272
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,120
the average of the last three quarter,

1273
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,200
and then we also get interest income,

1274
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,560
and then the mineral lease that we have

1275
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,040
a 2.25%.

1276
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,240
So, that deposit on a monthly basis, and

1277
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,280
so far we have received all 9 month, and

1278
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,680
we have 3 month left. The projections

1279
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,880
showing the 752 showing the Q4 remaining

1280
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,560
revenue. And so, with that projections,

1281
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,800
we believe that at the end of the year

1282
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,480
um July at the end of um June 30th, the

1283
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,920
balance will be 633

1284
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,200
273

1285
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,240
uh for that particular.

1286
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,080
Can I just ask for clarification on

1287
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,080
that? So, that's with those Q4

1288
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,040
withdrawals into our operating budget,

1289
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,880
we'll still have 633,000

1290
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,160
left in our restricted account.

1291
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:51,680
>> All right.

1292
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,440
We have a carryover in our restricted

1293
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,520
account. That's like having money in our

1294
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,560
savings account. So, that's

1295
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,400
Yeah, and and this the the significant

1296
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,920
of this number, so

1297
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,640
after projecting that we're going to

1298
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,160
take out

1299
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:08,880
our appropriation amount, which is

1300
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,800
811,750

1301
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,480
for Q4, we projected to have this

1302
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,960
at the end of the fiscal year, which is

1303
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,640
July Sorry, June 30th. And then the next

1304
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,840
time we'll have to draw out will be

1305
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,680
October of 2026. And so, with that,

1306
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,720
we'll see 600k and another 600k, making

1307
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,080
that 1.2 million. So, the next one that

1308
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,080
we draw out, which will be in October,

1309
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,920
we'll have sufficient to draw. So,

1310
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,600
that's why we want to keep track closely

1311
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,440
track of that.

1312
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,480
I have a question. Yeah. So, is the tax

1313
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,360
rate on oil and gas significantly more

1314
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,400
than minerals? I'll show you that here

1315
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,581
in a minute.

1316
00:52:49,581 --> 00:52:50,080
>> [laughter]

1317
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,520
>> I won't hold it against you, Rich, but

1318
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,040
That's that's We need to decide apples

1319
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,230
and oranges with the tax.

1320
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,880
Yeah, so to to answer your questions,

1321
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,200
uh oil and gas making up 45% of this

1322
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,120
particular account, and then the mineral

1323
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,600
10%. So, yes, uh oil and gas tax is a

1324
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,840
lot more. That's helpful to see that, you know, on

1325
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,280
a monthly and quarterly basis to see it

1326
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,960
mapped out like that. That's income into

1327
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,040
the account, right?

1328
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,680
>> Yeah, so this is all incoming to the

1329
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,320
account. As I mentioned earlier, these

1330
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,360
are the restricted account that have

1331
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,520
four component making up. So, the four

1332
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,400
These first two, as you can see, they

1333
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,280
deposit on a quarterly basis, but the

1334
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,840
federal mineral lease and the interest

1335
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,240
income, that come in on a monthly basis.

1336
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,960
And then you can see, there's a dip, a

1337
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,400
big dip

1338
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,120
in October

1339
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,480
where it was a lot less. Yeah, we're

1340
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,160
still not sure why.

1341
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,920
So we're not really sure why that should

1342
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,920
that payment was under $7,000. Sometimes

1343
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,360
it's just really low and then they make

1344
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:03,190
it up. You can see the spike

1345
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,960
I we couldn't we couldn't figure that

1346
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,200
one out. But they made up for it in the

1347
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,320
next payment. If you see the payment

1348
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,680
after that spiked up to 227,000.

1349
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,240
Does that cause you having to be lumpy

1350
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,880
like that or No, because we would It

1351
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,040
averages out. Because appropriation we

1352
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,520
can draw up to the appropriation

1353
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,920
authority, but we still want to make

1354
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,120
sure that the balance is there for the

1355
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,080
next time

1356
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,360
Yeah, we don't want to get a bunch of

1357
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,800
deficits. And and that gets pushed into

1358
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,480
our

1359
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,680
funds into our operating budget get

1360
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,360
pushed in quarterly, not monthly. So the

1361
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,120
money goes into the restricted account

1362
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:37,880
quarterly or monthly depending on which

1363
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,760
fund it's coming from, but then into our

1364
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,840
operating budget it only happens once a

1365
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,240
quarter.

1366
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,360
>> So if there's a reporting lag

1367
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,000
before your

1368
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,320
>> It just washes out. It could it could

1369
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,030
yeah.

1370
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,160
What we are watching though is we're

1371
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,760
watching our lapsing ceiling. And so if we're close to that lapsing ceiling

1372
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,080
like subtracting all of our the stuff we

1373
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,800
have to carry over like building blocks

1374
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,480
and transfer funds and any dedicated

1375
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,840
credits and all that. If we're close to

1376
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,080
that lapsing ceiling, we can actually

1377
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,240
request to hold back funds for that last

1378
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,960
quarterly payment. And so we're watching

1379
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,880
this really carefully because instead of

1380
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,520
Do you want to go back a slide? Instead

1381
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:24,760
of taking um that 811 800 752,000 or Is

1382
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,520
it 811,000? Instead of taking that whole

1383
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,880
amount out, we can just request like

1384
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,680
400,000 from it. And then we just save

1385
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,000
that extra, you know, three or four

1386
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,440
hundred thousand dollars in that

1387
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,400
restricted account doesn't go anywhere,

1388
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,240
that's our bank account, we can keep it

1389
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:41,080
there.

1390
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,400
So, and given some anticipated projects

1391
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,680
that are going to fund in July, like

1392
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,440
explore, we may want to just hold back

1393
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,080
on some funds. So, that's where we'll

1394
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,800
kind of do some work to talk about

1395
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
optimizing our restricted account to to

1396
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,720
really allow us to build up a reserve in

1397
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,950
that restricted account.

1398
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,950
Absolutely.

1399
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,440
So, here's outside funding year-by-year

1400
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,680
trend. As you can see, every year the

1401
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,400
survey managed to collect more than

1402
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:16,760
the prior year.

1403
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Uh as of last year's, the total was 4.45

1404
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,280
million.

1405
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,400
Year-to-date in 2026, we have collected

1406
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,560
2.93 million, and that on the right

1407
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,080
side, as you can see,

1408
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,720
uh where the fund outside funding coming

1409
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:36,280
from. So, energy mineral at 1.2 million

1410
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,800
from outside funding represent 43% of

1411
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,800
that 2.93

1412
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,800
million. And then the ground water, um

1413
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,160
the next, which is the represent 22%. I

1414
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,360
do want to call out that this does not

1415
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,120
This just represent the opportunity

1416
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,800
where the outside funding for this

1417
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,160
group. I do not want to say that someone

1418
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,640
is a leadership in like leader in any

1419
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:00,880
category.

1420
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,320
Uh so.

1421
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,040
You said transfers. What do transfers

1422
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,760
mean in this case? It's revenue from

1423
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,440
another state agency. So, either within

1424
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,000
the DNR

1425
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,360
>> transferring. Exactly.

1426
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,600
You know, we have really built up a lot

1427
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,080
of work with our

1428
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,600
um our sister agencies. So, you can see

1429
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,600
the increase in that

1430
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:22,520
um

1431
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:23,880
uh

1432
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,400
gray. Well, actually, it's not that big

1433
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,800
of an increase, but you know, it's

1434
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,520
SITLA, Forestry, Fire, and State Lands,

1435
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,640
which manages sovereign lands,

1436
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,840
particularly the Great Salt Lake

1437
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:36,320
um in the Great Salt Lake Commission's

1438
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,040
office. Um they have tech team grants

1439
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,000
that we are, you know, repeatedly

1440
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,760
awarded to do work on everything from

1441
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Phragmites to wetlands work.

1442
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,760
Um so Forestry, Fire, and State Lands,

1443
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,560
Division of Water Rights request that we

1444
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,000
do groundwater basin studies and

1445
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,360
groundwater basin budgets. So, they pay

1446
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,520
us for those studies. So, we're really

1447
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,600
doing a lot of work, you know, in

1448
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,400
partnership with our sister agencies.

1449
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,920
And And that's That's a great

1450
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,840
um way for the survey to really help the

1451
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,800
state make great decisions about work is when our sister agencies request work

1452
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,080
from us. So, it's not all pursuing

1453
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,960
federal grants to do whatever. There A

1454
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,080
lot of it is internal work that we do on

1455
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,880
behalf of the state of Utah.

1456
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,600
Did you say that work's increasing or

1457
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,360
kind of stable? Definitely. It seems

1458
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:23,800
like it's increasing on the It's

1459
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,040
increasing.

1460
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,800
Yeah. Yeah, right? If you watch who

1461
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,640
we're doing proposals for.

1462
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,040
And you know, remember that the Great

1463
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,560
Salt Lake

1464
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,520
um Commission was given $50 million to

1465
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,680
do studies on how to, you know, address,

1466
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
you know, declines in habitat management

1467
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,800
of the Great Salt Lake. And And we've

1468
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,760
benefited from that large award.

1469
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,800
And you've been growing rapidly. Is that

1470
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,080
Like if you project out three or four

1471
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,160
years, you're going to

1472
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,600
target that level of growth or I I think

1473
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,480
that some of this growth is inflated by

1474
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,560
a couple of programs where we have large

1475
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,880
contracts with a service provider and we

1476
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,040
have a million dollars plus of services

1477
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,560
being paid to that contractor. So, it

1478
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,320
inflates the revenue

1479
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,200
a bit because we'll get reimbursed for

1480
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,520
it. We are seeing a

1481
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,680
pretty strong year-over-year

1482
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,680
increasing trend, but I don't think

1483
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,040
we're going to necessarily see it

1484
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,640
continue forever as we have some of

1485
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:19,640
these contracts kind of

1486
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:20,920
fall off and end. I think it'll

1487
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,240
stabilize.

1488
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,000
That said, I do think the next couple of

1489
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,840
years will be record revenue years for

1490
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,120
UGS.

1491
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,920
So, really pass through money. A A large

1492
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,600
portion of it is. This year, I think we

1493
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,520
>> example? Yeah, so we have a program this

1494
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,760
year funded by the Division of Forestry,

1495
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,440
Fire, and State Lands, where we're

1496
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,720
flying planes over the Great Salt Lake

1497
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,920
and using lidar to map the the lake bed.

1498
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,400
Uh for that contract, I believe 1.4

1499
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,760
million of the 1.8 million of the

1500
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,000
project is passed through to the

1501
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,480
aerospace company that's flying over the

1502
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,360
lake. So, 1.4 million of revenue split

1503
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,840
between this year and last year is is

1504
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,800
really just passed through to that that

1505
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,510
aerospace group.

1506
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,120
And then, you know, some of it's also

1507
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,120
affected by a match that this that we

1508
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,840
put in for like state match has a 50%

1509
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,400
match, right? Um other programs, Earth

1510
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:21,000
MRI has about a 20% match, right? So, these are the

1511
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,480
uh federal and, you know, state

1512
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,760
collections for those programs, but we

1513
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,280
have some skin in the game on some of

1514
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,000
those also. So, that's not total funding

1515
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,880
spent on grants because some of it comes

1516
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,640
from us.

1517
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,440
Yeah, and I think to answer Riley's

1518
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,000
question earlier about the friction

1519
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,640
between billed and collected, as you can

1520
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,960
see, year to date we billed 3.54

1521
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,880
million, we collect of that 3.54

1522
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,360
million, collect 2.93. So, that we all

1523
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,120
from our lands team will all making sure

1524
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,360
that that get

1525
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,200
collected and so that we never pay. I

1526
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,520
mean,

1527
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:55,960
It's that cheaper. There's really not

1528
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,400
too much friction with collections. The

1529
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,160
universities are often slow to pay us.

1530
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Some of our sister agencies are a little

1531
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,640
bit slow to pay us, but they do pay.

1532
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,440
It's just whether it's in monthly

1533
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,040
request or 3 months later.

1534
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,697
>> living in the consulting world.

1535
01:01:08,697 --> 01:01:08,920
>> [laughter]

1536
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,720
>> So,

1537
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:10,600
I like to bill on a big one.

1538
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,160
>> Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Is there

1539
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,400
any gaming by some of these other groups

1540
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,920
across our fiscal year?

1541
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:17,680
>> No.

1542
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,760
Okay. I think it's organizational

1543
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:21,797
uh inertia.

1544
01:01:21,797 --> 01:01:24,270
>> [laughter]

1545
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,160
» That's what I like.

1546
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,400
It's fine.

1547
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:29,800
When we were in more financially dire

1548
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,240
straits, maybe it would be a concern,

1549
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,720
but we're not. So, you know, we're fine.

1550
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,320
We don't need to bark up anybody's tree.

1551
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,440
We'll get paid.

1552
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:38,720
Once we got through the whole federal

1553
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,720
hiccups, you know, from January through

1554
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,960
what, March of last year? That was I

1555
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,560
think the only time I felt like we were

1556
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,880
at risk of not getting paid. So, we're

1557
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,600
all back on track now.

1558
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,000
I think 720 might be a weird

1559
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,760
congressional year. I was going to say,

1560
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:54,720
do [clears throat] you foresee and

1561
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,200
project any marginality? I have a slide

1562
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,520
on that. If we have the right slide

1563
01:01:58,520 --> 01:01:59,680
deck, if we don't have the right slide

1564
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,200
deck, I may just get out and pull up my

1565
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,600
slide deck, um, because I I do have some

1566
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:10,630
slide on

1567
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,120
All right. So, here's our forecast for

1568
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,120
Q4 in term of collections.

1569
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Um,

1570
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,120
the method that we use is we take the

1571
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,720
average, which is the base of the last

1572
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,120
three quarter, and then we use that uh,

1573
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,000
for the base case scenario. And then for

1574
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,360
the low, we just take one standard

1575
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,120
deviation down. That would be our worst

1576
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:33,840
case scenario, and then the high we'll

1577
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,200
take one standard deviation up. And so,

1578
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,800
what we projected for Q4 would be 1.6

1579
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,720
million in term of collections, and that

1580
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,840
bring us to 4. 52 for the full years.

1581
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:48,920
Um, we believe that it's mostly going to

1582
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,040
be on the high and high plus, because

1583
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,280
typically Q4 is when we bill the most,

1584
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,840
and we have an extra

1585
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,040
um, fiscal month or fiscal fiscal period

1586
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,040
that we get to to bill. So, we we

1587
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,680
believe that that will be

1588
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,360
Yeah, we're a 13-month fiscal accounting

1589
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:06,680
calendar.

1590
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:07,480
Okay.

1591
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,080
>> Yeah, so we think it's going to be even

1592
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,960
higher than 4.

1593
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,600
52. I think Ben said it may be 5 million

1594
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,280
shy of 5 million this year that we'll be

1595
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,000
able to collect. So, good thing for the

1596
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,280
survey.

1597
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,680
Um

1598
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,800
Here's our expenditures. We're touching

1599
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,480
on 10.7 million year-to-date that's been

1600
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,320
and personnel, as you can see, is the

1601
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,800
highest cost driver for the survey.

1602
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,880
Um

1603
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:35,600
and then we'll

1604
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,840
You see that um the same for forecast,

1605
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,440
we put the low would be the average of

1606
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,000
the last 9 months.

1607
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,320
For the base case scenario, we'll take

1608
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,520
average of the last quarter, so January,

1609
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,440
February, March. And then for the high

1610
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,040
case, we'll take the average of the last

1611
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,920
3 months and one highest month. And so,

1612
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,560
with that in the

1613
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,720
uh expenditures for Q4, we'll see that

1614
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,440
ranging from 3.4 to 4.6 million and that

1615
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,680
will put the survey between um end of

1616
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,440
year for the full years, 3.9

1617
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:15,480
to uh 15 million on the high case. So,

1618
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,720
with that, we take the base um kind of

1619
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,280
the average of those

1620
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,000
all three to give us um oops, a forecast

1621
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
of uh where we're going to end for this

1622
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,550
year.

1623
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,800
Any questions before I move on to the

1624
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,120
next one? Okay.

1625
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,000
Um so, here's our workforce update. Um

1626
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,680
the current head count that we have is

1627
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:36,960
87.

1628
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,800
90 is budgeted, potentially could be 91.

1629
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,480
Um and then we'll compare to the same

1630
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,640
time last year's of 95, that's a change

1631
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,440
of

1632
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,840
uh five um head count.

1633
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,120
Personnel, we already mentioned that it

1634
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,240
represents 76% of the survey, so that is

1635
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,680
a very stable base that we can use to

1636
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,680
forecast.

1637
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,080
Not for not only for this year, but

1638
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,320
upcoming years. And then, as you can see

1639
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,000
right now, there are three positions

1640
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,960
that we are currently recruiting.

1641
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,870
Uh um

1642
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,520
You know, I predict that mapping

1643
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,280
position gets a record number of

1644
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,480
applicants. I think we're going to get

1645
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,720
some real Could you go back to that

1646
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:18,160
slide, please?

1647
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,360
>> be the sexiest job in America for

1648
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,120
geologists. It's going to be It's going

1649
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,360
to be pretty awesome. So, keep in mind

1650
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:29,600
that we're hiring. And so, if you know, people who are qualified,

1651
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,400
please direct them to the state's

1652
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,400
careers page, where they can find

1653
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,800
information about these um

1654
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,720
opportunities. These are great

1655
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,480
opportunities. The you know, the first

1656
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,640
two are at the project geologist, so

1657
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,640
that's a mid-level That's a mid-level of

1658
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,080
expertise.

1659
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,800
Um and then the wetlands ecologist is

1660
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,760
kind of a lower to mid-level um hire, as

1661
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,240
well.

1662
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,000
>> minerals one's been open for 3 weeks

1663
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,240
now, right?

1664
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,080
So, you got good applicants on it? Two

1665
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,120
weeks

1666
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,040
Yeah. How many applicants you got?

1667
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,160
I'm not sure. Mike is the only one who

1668
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,840
has visibility into that. Oh, okay. He's

1669
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,160
gallivanting internationally.

1670
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,200
Right?

1671
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,880
Emma, did you have a comment? I was just

1672
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,400
going to say when we hired for that

1673
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,960
wetlands position, we had 186

1674
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,960
applicants for that job.

1675
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,880
Well, in Eugene's position, we had like

1676
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,480
120.

1677
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,120
So, you know, we could pick the the best

1678
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,200
PhD because we had so many options.

1679
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,160
This is a great survey to come and work

1680
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,760
for. So, I expect we'll have really

1681
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,240
awesome candidates. I'm excited. I'm

1682
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,400
excited for this. I'm also just excited

1683
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,520
and really happy that we had, you know,

1684
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,880
we lost, I think, nine people last year.

1685
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,200
Um you know, two people were riffed, and

1686
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,560
we had a bunch of people go to grad

1687
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,400
school. We really needed to get our head

1688
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,800
count down and stabilize our finances.

1689
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,160
And I'm really thoughtful and careful

1690
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,600
about hiring.

1691
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,520
It's being able to sit on in on these

1692
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,360
proposal kickoffs has really showed us

1693
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,040
where we have um longevity in funding

1694
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,640
and bandwidth issues with our people

1695
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,240
that are managing those programs and

1696
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,720
they need they need help, right? So,

1697
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,360
these are very selective hires. We've

1698
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,520
been really thoughtful about this, but

1699
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,320
it's great to be able to expand our

1700
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,960
team. These are also except for the

1701
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,840
mapper, I think these are term limited

1702
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,640
hires. So, you know, 1 to 2 years,

1703
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,320
assess our funding, assess their success

1704
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:31,960
working with us and decide whether we

1705
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,440
want to retain them or not. Um but it it

1706
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,440
feels great to be able to take those

1707
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,920
personnel savings and then go out and

1708
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,230
recruit three new scientists.

1709
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,000
Oh, we have been really thoughtful. We

1710
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,880
don't want to get ourselves back into

1711
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,760
the situation where we're ballooning up

1712
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,520
our, you know, our head count to try to

1713
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,520
address like short-term funding stuff.

1714
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,120
We're going to be continue to be really

1715
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,080
thoughtful about proposals. Is the

1716
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,360
groundwater one been open very long?

1717
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,920
Just about the same time as critical

1718
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,240
minerals, maybe a week shorter. Lot of

1719
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,800
interest in that. I'm not sure. I've

1720
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,080
been away, so I haven't checked in on

1721
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,120
how many applicants there are for these.

1722
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,190
So.

1723
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,200
Well, if I was younger, I would have

1724
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,040
applied for that.

1725
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,347
I'm going to apply for that, Matthew.

1726
01:08:20,347 --> 01:08:25,577
[laughter]

1727
01:08:25,587 --> 01:08:29,829
» [laughter]

1728
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:31,520
» I'm surprised Stephen doesn't reside in

1729
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:32,137
Flint.

1730
01:08:32,137 --> 01:08:37,349
>> [laughter]

1731
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,342
» I shouldn't say that out loud.

1732
01:08:39,342 --> 01:08:43,550
>> [laughter]

1733
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,279
» Okay, so I just want to recap. Here's

1734
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,279
our projected end of the year balance.

1735
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:49,160
Um

1736
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,160
So, we projected with our collections uh

1737
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,040
4.5 million and our fixed funding 12.2,

1738
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,440
we'll have 16.76 million in our

1739
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:01,319
available funding. Which potentially

1740
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:03,839
could be higher, because outside

1741
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,640
collected could be up to 5 million,

1742
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,640
right? So, that could bring it up. And

1743
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,400
then projected in term of

1744
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,839
the expenditures,

1745
01:09:11,839 --> 01:09:14,200
we'll look at 14.3, and so that will

1746
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,400
bring us to 2.4 million unexpended

1747
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,520
balance at the end of the year.

1748
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,880
Uh recap on the

1749
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,160
um

1750
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,880
fund restricted fund 1137 that we talked

1751
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,440
about, we projected that if we draw at

1752
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:32,560
the full amount, then we'll have 633K

1753
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,480
left in that restricted account. Um

1754
01:09:35,480 --> 01:09:37,080
the more that we have in that account

1755
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,080
balance, the better. And then

1756
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,400
year-to-date, again, um

1757
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,880
as of April 10th, we have available

1758
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,680
funding of 15.1 million. 10.7 is our um

1759
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,200
year-to-date expenditures, and as of uh

1760
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,720
April 10th, we have 4.3 million in

1761
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,000
unexpended balance. And then right now,

1762
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,360
we have 692K in our restricted account.

1763
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:03,440
So,

1764
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:04,200
um

1765
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,880
all in all, we are doing great in term

1766
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,720
of overall. Um and there's some program

1767
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,800
that are underspending, overspending, so

1768
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,960
we are smoothing that out for the

1769
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,720
remaining of the year.

1770
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,000
Um

1771
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,440
and then to end, I just want to showcase

1772
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:22,000
some of the key risks and opportunities

1773
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,840
that we potentially see. Obviously, with

1774
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:24,680
the

1775
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,640
uh workforce capacity, you know, put

1776
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,520
that as a risk, but most likely we won't

1777
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,240
be able to hire that person soon,

1778
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:31,840
because we have a lot of

1779
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,400
uh

1780
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,480
applicant. Um

1781
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,480
I want to point out the the bookstore

1782
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:39,520
revenue uh had a strong total sale

1783
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,280
year-to-date. Um

1784
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,440
year-to-date, they had um growth 14%

1785
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,400
compared to last year in total sales.

1786
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,040
And then in term of their web traffic,

1787
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,520
they see uh 39% increase as well. And

1788
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:52,920
then one thing that I want to call out

1789
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,280
is that their mobile conversions also

1790
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,680
up. Um so, right now it's at 2.82% so

1791
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,040
they are a younger demographic

1792
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,600
engagement that interested in what the

1793
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,640
bookstore has to sell.

1794
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,280
Um we already touched on the strong

1795
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,480
fiscal positions that we're going to end

1796
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,640
up for fiscal year 2026

1797
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,040
and then um outside momentum um is a

1798
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,160
strength but as uh Darlene wanted to

1799
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,360
point out that that's also one is a risk

1800
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,520
that we want to monitor because as we

1801
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,240
scale up in outside funding source we

1802
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,240
want to make sure that we have a

1803
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,000
long-term plan for all of our staff so

1804
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,919
that we don't get caught up

1805
01:11:32,919 --> 01:11:35,520
[clears throat] in um just the project

1806
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,640
itself, right? So that's they say fully

1807
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,440
funded How did you guys grow your

1808
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,720
bookstore? What's that? How did you grow

1809
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:42,320
your bookstore?

1810
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,440
>> We have a new manager and she is just on

1811
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:47,000
fire. She's really

1812
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
um she's just got great ideas about, you

1813
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,320
know, bringing in everything from new

1814
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,880
products to where she advertises. She's

1815
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,040
done the radio spots. She We gave her a

1816
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,680
green light to open a social media

1817
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,440
account for the bookstore. Um we

1818
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:03,440
continue to sell parks passes and state

1819
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,200
passes and we collect revenue on those

1820
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,480
passes as well. But I really have to

1821
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:09,920
give a lot of credit to Michelle

1822
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,680
Ricketts. She's our bookstore manager

1823
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,640
and she's done a great job. So and then

1824
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,640
we have if you remember we riffed the

1825
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,200
geologist position that was in the

1826
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,520
bookstore and hired a new bookstore

1827
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,400
clerk, Katrice Spencer. And Katrice is

1828
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,760
really the one who kind of drove the

1829
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,800
social media engagement and asked for

1830
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,760
social media account. So between the two

1831
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,400
of them, Michelle has I don't know if

1832
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,040
you've been in our bookstore recently. I

1833
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,080
really encourage you to go in. She's

1834
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,800
really cleaned it up. It's a very

1835
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,640
inviting space. She's put a little

1836
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,280
reading lounge in there now. She's just

1837
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,600
been a great asset for us and so that is

1838
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,840
really Michelle and Katrice's work

1839
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,240
reflected right there. Do you do a a

1840
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,880
tour, a tour sometime after the meeting.

1841
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,040
You know, that would be a great idea,

1842
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,120
actually. And the other cool thing we

1843
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,240
did when you walk over there is the

1844
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,000
Diablo ceratops skull that used to be

1845
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,440
here. We built an exhibit for it and

1846
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:07,240
moved it to the DNR lobby. So, it just

1847
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,800
looks really great over there. So,

1848
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,400
I'll just say I believe board members

1849
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,440
get a 20% discount at the bookstore.

1850
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,000
I bought a lot of books and you guys

1851
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,375
have never mentioned that.

1852
01:13:18,375 --> 01:13:26,870
>> [laughter]

1853
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,000
» That's right. They're like, you know,

1854
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:33,310
oil and gas. Oil and gas, that guy.

1855
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:36,710
I I'm sure they don't.

1856
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,200
I can't answer that, but go ahead and

1857
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,640
shop there a minute. So, she's really

1858
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,280
brought in a lot of new titles. There's

1859
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,440
like staff picks over there. You guys

1860
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,680
could You guys can ask her for a card

1861
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,920
and put like a UGS board member pick for

1862
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,920
a book that you like. I have a book

1863
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,760
Geology of Utah Parks. That is a

1864
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:52,480
fabulous

1865
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:53,960
>> That's a really beautiful

1866
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,960
publication. That's a UGS publication.

1867
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,640
It's hard bound and it has full page

1868
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,960
reproductions of maps. It's really

1869
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,960
beautiful publication. So, it's also

1870
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,120
$52, so 20% off of that book is a

1871
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,000
chocolate chip cookie.

1872
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,640
You can spend it on buying some other

1873
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,240
books. I can confirm I got the discount

1874
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:20,270
after last time. Oh, good.

1875
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:21,680
Michelle I can treat you a little bit

1876
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:28,350
more sexy.

1877
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,720
I think I've only gotten a 10% discount.

1878
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:38,870
So,

1879
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,720
Maybe I had the number wrong then.

1880
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,040
That might be 10%.

1881
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,480
But whatever Michelle wants to give you.

1882
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:49,040
It's kind of loosey-goosey with

1883
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040
discounts. can tell. And then you I was

1884
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,480
going to say we do have cards

1885
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:54,600
for the bookstore and they have little

1886
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,680
QR codes so that you you'll get a 10%

1887
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,640
discount at least if you take one of

1888
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,080
those cards.

1889
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:00,120
>> Do you have them here? Yeah, they're

1890
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,600
just out here on the Yeah, will you grab

1891
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:02,800
a stack? We're going to take a break and

1892
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,920
I'll go get them. Let's see if we can

1893
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,080
pass them out in a break. You know, and

1894
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,480
every time we do a like a course shop or

1895
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,960
something like that, um and we we always

1896
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:11,920
tell everybody and Evan's good to hand

1897
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,320
out the cards. People go and they spend.

1898
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,560
It's hard not to love the bookstore.

1899
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,720
It's hard not to walk in there and find

1900
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,960
something.

1901
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Um and then Michelle and Ketry have also

1902
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,960
been going out to conferences and stuff

1903
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,080
like that. Like I think Ketry will be at

1904
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,640
Geology Rocks this weekend in Green

1905
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,760
River. Yeah, that was a table and yeah,

1906
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,880
I believe yeah, Green River Rocks. Yeah.

1907
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,840
And it sounds like it was a very

1908
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,880
successful event for them.

1909
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,040
>> Yeah. So, they're they're out and about

1910
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,040
more with a U with a Utah Geological

1911
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,240
Survey table and, you know,

1912
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,520
just doing great, yeah. So. Yeah, and um

1913
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,600
if you look up our Google review, 4.9.

1914
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,160
Wow. Yeah, that's a really

1915
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,160
A lot higher than the liquor store down

1916
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,270
there.

1917
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,400
But she has a Thank you. Did you really

1918
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,320
get all of those?

1919
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,920
There's an online store now. Yes,

1920
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,160
there's been an online store for the

1921
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,440
last few years. Um but we have a

1922
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,600
shocking number of in-person sales.

1923
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,240
They say brick and mortar retail's dead.

1924
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,400
I think the bookstore is a pretty good

1925
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,000
counterpoint to that.

1926
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:15,400
Let's tell you how the It's a great

1927
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,560
bookstore to browse in. So, we really

1928
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,080
should just take a tour of that one time

1929
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,680
and so we can meet. So, should we meet

1930
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:22,480
Michelle and Ketry?

1931
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:24,240
>> great idea. Yeah, so Cheryl, if you're

1932
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:26,920
taking notes, a bookstore tour for next

1933
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,560
time. Okay.

1934
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,520
Is the bookstore a profit center?

1935
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,840
It's close. So, it's probably close. I

1936
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,160
think last year we were running about a

1937
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,200
$80,000

1938
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,600
deficit and I'm guessing this year we're

1939
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,080
closer to 10. I think 20. 20? 20,000

1940
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,040
probably. Historically, it's run between

1941
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:48,720
80 and 120,000 dollar deficit. 4 years

1942
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,760
ago, we were 100. We were 100. Yeah,

1943
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,440
there was serious discussions like, can

1944
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:54,520
we do this long-term? Yeah.

1945
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,760
So, good job. We were getting questions

1946
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,960
from DNR leadership about whether we

1947
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,440
wanted to consider closing the

1948
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:02,880
bookstore. Um, so we just needed to make

1949
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,240
some really necessary changes. So, and

1950
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,360
then just got really lucky with

1951
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,360
Michelle. She's been a great driver.

1952
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,000
And actually, we ran out of calendars

1953
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,840
this year. We scaled back on our

1954
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:17,470
calendar printing

1955
01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:19,320
And then this year, we like totally ran

1956
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,800
out. So, we'll kind of split the

1957
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,760
difference next year. Um, because

1958
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,360
Michelle's like, we could have sold

1959
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,760
another 300 calendars. So,

1960
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,520
There's people in my office that jealous

1961
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,360
because I Because you have one?

1962
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,600
I wish we had more to give you. So, that

1963
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,440
was on me cuz I was like, let's just

1964
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:39,760
make a thousand less. And then maybe

1965
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,120
that was too much of a step back. And we

1966
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,760
even raised the price a dollar. So, I

1967
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:44,720
think we're going to raise the price

1968
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,200
again and print another 500. We'll see.

1969
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,920
Like 10 dollars minimum. I think like

1970
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,600
9.95. Yeah, they're very very cheap.

1971
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:51,720
That's what I'm talking about.

1972
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,800
And if you buy them in bulk, we give a

1973
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,400
discount on that. So, um, there are

1974
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,400
companies that buy them in bulk to give

1975
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,600
to employees. And we give a bunch away.

1976
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,480
Like we mail a bunch out. Well, I think

1977
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:04,920
3 years ago, you invited the board

1978
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,680
members to submit pictures. And I just

1979
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,080
want to be Becky.

1980
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,509
That's my goal.

1981
01:18:10,509 --> 01:18:10,960
>> [laughter]

1982
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,760
>> Did you Did you submit any photos when

1983
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,480
they did 3 years ago? No. No, I haven't

1984
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:17,714
yet, but I'm going to this year. Well,

1985
01:18:17,714 --> 01:18:18,920
>> [laughter]

1986
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,080
>> they didn't invite us last year to

1987
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,720
submit, so

1988
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,640
It is a high bar. I just wanted you to

1989
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,400
know.

1990
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,880
It's a pretty high bar.

1991
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,200
So, do your best.

1992
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:30,760
No promises and no special favors

1993
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,200
because you're my friend.

1994
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,160
Well, so far, no board members got one

1995
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,600
in, so Evan Kirby's like, I haven't had

1996
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,160
a picture in that current calendar for

1997
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:39,640
ages, Kevin. I was going to say there

1998
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,720
are a couple back here on the giveaway

1999
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,760
for like some of the students and stuff.

2000
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:47,400
You want one, there's There's a couple

2001
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:49,640
>> Those might disappear.

2002
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,440
I thought those were older ones, like

2003
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:54,280
There's a couple of the old last year's,

2004
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,880
but there's a couple of the 25. Oh, the

2005
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,120
First first service.

2006
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:03,280
Okay, back to win. I I'm so sorry.

2007
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:04,600
That's English [laughter] class.

2008
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,400
All I have to present. So, I just want

2009
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:11,560
to sum it up. Year to date, 72, 71%

2010
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,320
actually at 75% elapse, so we are on

2011
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,320
track. And then we are projected to end

2012
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,760
the year at 2.4 million in term of end

2013
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,280
of the year balance.

2014
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,640
Um, and then our outside funding

2015
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:31,120
is on target, so we are doing great.

2016
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,320
Are any of your outside funding projects

2017
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,120
multi-year? Yes. Do you ever have a a

2018
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,120
projection where you can project like

2019
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:43,360
three years out, one year out? We're very much starting to try and put

2020
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,120
that long sightedness into financial

2021
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,440
planning. Russ added this last year for

2022
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,240
the first time in as far as we can tell

2023
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,640
the survey's history. And now we have a

2024
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,200
really motivated younger uh group of

2025
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,920
staff that are starting to apply out for

2026
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,480
grants. We're submitting some

2027
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:58,920
applications tomorrow for grants that go

2028
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,760
through 2031, which doesn't even feel

2029
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,960
like it's a real date. But there's very

2030
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,160
much a a long sided look of how we can

2031
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,120
ensure sustainable funding for the

2032
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:08,880
survey and the future. I think that's

2033
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,120
really and it's nice it was nice to see

2034
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,080
too is a forecasted multi multi-year um

2035
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,440
contracts where you're getting to add in

2036
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,560
what your projected revenue would be. We

2037
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:21,440
can't. Right, we can start and and

2038
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,240
that's a really key thing about

2039
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,240
capacity, right? And so as we started to

2040
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,560
do as we started to request that our

2041
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,320
teams bring us proposals, they're doing

2042
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,360
that mapping out exercises starting to

2043
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,320
realize what their capacity is or isn't.

2044
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,440
Um

2045
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,960
and that's allowed again as we pointed

2046
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:41,320
out that's allowed us to make the

2047
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,720
decision to recruit some additional

2048
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,880
help. I've also asked them to just slow

2049
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:50,120
down grants and be really thoughtful.

2050
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,880
Too much? Yeah. And and what we're

2051
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,360
hearing what I the feedback I get is

2052
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,040
that I'm really the first director that

2053
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,960
hasn't been like go get all the money

2054
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:02,800
you can. Right? I'm like we

2055
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,640
you know, what did Steve Jobs say about

2056
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,160
Apple? We say no to good ideas every

2057
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:09,560
day. Right? We want to be strategic. We

2058
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,120
want to be thoughtful about the work we

2059
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,560
do. We'll be building these into our

2060
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,160
strategic plan as we ask our teams to

2061
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,000
really look at their goals and what they

2062
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,280
want to accomplish and what are the

2063
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,680
critical questions that we need to

2064
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,440
answer for the state. Right? Those are

2065
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,240
the types of grants that we want to go

2066
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:28,480
We've gotten a lot better at chasing

2067
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:30,480
smart money, money that doesn't cost as

2068
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,080
much and that last for a couple of

2069
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,840
years. So, I don't think we're in a very strong position at this point. That

2070
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,120
will help you with your long-term

2071
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:38,920
staffing plan.

2072
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,360
>> It will help us with our long-term

2073
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,760
staffing plan. Yeah, and continuity

2074
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,560
because I love that when built this into

2075
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,560
her presentation it was one of her first

2076
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,120
things. We want to take care of the

2077
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,360
people that we have here. Yeah.

2078
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,280
>> Yeah.

2079
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,320
Make sure that they're not over

2080
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,440
committed. Um make sure that they have

2081
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:55,720
the support they need and that you know,

2082
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,760
their positions have longevity also.

2083
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,480
That's just gives everybody job

2084
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:02,240
security. It's better for everybody.

2085
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:03,120
So.

2086
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,480
Who does our gorgeous slides? Those are

2087
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,160
big slides. Thank you. We appreciate

2088
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,120
that.

2089
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,560
It's a lot of work to get slides that

2090
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,760
Is the funding around the Great Salt

2091
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,800
Lake is that stable for several years in the

2092
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,400
future?

2093
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,360
>> I'm sure it will be with the commitment

2094
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,560
to have the lake restored by 2034.

2095
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:25,360
I believe that that financial backup

2096
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,480
will be there. I mean Trump has even

2097
01:22:27,480 --> 01:22:29,720
written a billion dollars for the Great

2098
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,960
Salt Lake into his budget that he gave

2099
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,840
to Congress. We'll see whether that

2100
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,640
actually gets funded or not. That would

2101
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:40,720
likely go through Bureau of Rec, EPA,

2102
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,040
and one other

2103
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:43,920
um

2104
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,880
maybe USGS, you know, federal agencies,

2105
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,760
but we'll see. I'm sure there's a lot to

2106
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,360
talk about there. So, I do think that

2107
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:52,830
there's a lot to

2108
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:53,640
So.

2109
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,400
I'm wondering how open-ended the

2110
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,240
restoration by 2034 is.

2111
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,160
We need restoration within the next

2112
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,680
year. But, I mean, these are really

2113
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:03,720
difficult challenges.

2114
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,440
>> What did restoration mean in when you

2115
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:06,880
define it like that?

2116
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,200
Well, there's there's a critical

2117
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,840
threshold level for the lake, and we're

2118
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,240
below that critical threshold right now.

2119
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,680
There is a really great conference in

2120
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,840
southern Utah. It was last month called

2121
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,480
water users. We always down there.

2122
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:22,440
Um and there were really um

2123
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:24,000
interesting

2124
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,400
report outs on where we are with water

2125
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,520
situations in the Great Salt Lake basin,

2126
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,040
as well as the Colorado River basin.

2127
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,400
These are really stressful times for

2128
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,320
water in Utah.

2129
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,480
Um and our role in providing, you know,

2130
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,040
good scientific data to help make

2131
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,000
decisions really can't be understated.

2132
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,880
We are They are looking to the survey

2133
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,400
for for information and data on some of

2134
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,560
this. And our teams are developing some

2135
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,440
really amazing remote sensing methods to

2136
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,200
be able to get at these numbers. Snow

2137
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:01,280
pack equivalent, soil saturation levels.

2138
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,200
We're using We're deploying and building

2139
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,520
remote sensing tools to be able to get

2140
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,440
at statewide information on this that

2141
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:10,800
we've never really had before. And so,

2142
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:12,920
when I talk about this demographic shift

2143
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:14,840
of like we had a lot of senior people

2144
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,000
re- re- retire out of the survey, we

2145
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,120
have this younger cadre of people coming

2146
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,440
in. They are coming in with a really

2147
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:24,800
incredible analytical toolkit. And they

2148
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,880
can build models, and they know where to

2149
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,560
go get um, you know, validated data to

2150
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,720
put into these models. And so, they're

2151
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,920
building a whole new toolkit that we

2152
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,720
really haven't had to be able to

2153
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,320
estimate, you know, snow water

2154
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,320
equivalents, um, snowpack depth, um,

2155
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,360
evapotranspiration

2156
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,000
>> evapotranspiration.

2157
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,440
It's just really impressive. And when I

2158
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,720
see their proposals and I see their

2159
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,080
work. We just had a talk yesterday at

2160
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,000
our staff meeting. I even forgot to send

2161
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,960
it to you. When I see the work that

2162
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,960
they're doing and the new toolkit that

2163
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,600
they're building so we can get at these

2164
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,960
really important answers about water

2165
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,160
resources across the state in almost

2166
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,800
real time, it is really impressive.

2167
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:08,920
Is that something you could do

2168
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,080
regularly? Like the the talks that you

2169
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,720
have at your staff meetings and like

2170
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,160
that? They they just pass through to the

2171
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:16,400
board? Yeah, I'd love to see them.

2172
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,200
There actually are so our geo committee

2173
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,440
is actually working on putting together

2174
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:24,800
like a UGS lecture and social series.

2175
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,680
>> we we've recognized that our outreach to

2176
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,640
the public is not necessarily lacking,

2177
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,080
but could be expanded pretty greatly.

2178
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,520
So, we're hoping to launch a quarterly

2179
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,200
series of public engagement talks where

2180
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,760
we go out to local library, natural

2181
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,200
history other venues around the greater

2182
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,440
Wasatch Front and give talks to the

2183
01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:42,080
public on these sort of issues. What

2184
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,480
work are we doing? What new tools and

2185
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:44,920
technology are we deploying? So, the

2186
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,600
first one we're hoping is going to be in

2187
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,280
August at the Natural History Museum or

2188
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,280
one of the libraries, hopefully. Um, but

2189
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,560
we can make sure to send you the staff

2190
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,560
meeting talks as well because they're so

2191
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:56,400
interesting.

2192
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,760
>> are the slide decks available as They're

2193
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,520
recorded. We have them recorded. So, you

2194
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:02,360
can actually listen to the presentation.

2195
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,360
It goes back to the point I believe you

2196
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,000
made earlier that

2197
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,960
questions of geology in Utah are just so

2198
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,360
incredible to answer and the science is

2199
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:11,760
so great. People really want to come

2200
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,000
here and they want to work and they're

2201
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,080
passionate about the work. So, it gives

2202
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:16,640
us an incredible applicant pool for all

2203
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:18,240
the jobs that we're listing but once

2204
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,200
folks get in, they're really on the

2205
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:21,720
cutting edge of innovation with new

2206
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,960
methods and method method methodology

2207
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,360
push forward some of these studies. It's

2208
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:28,800
rigorous and exciting anyway.

2209
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,240
Can we bring them into a board meeting?

2210
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:33,040
We've those back in. Let's bring those

2211
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,080
back in.

2212
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,560
At the end when we have a discussion, I

2213
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,560
have some proposals for you guys about

2214
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,280
how to supplement our board meetings

2215
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:42,160
with some opportunities. Not only

2216
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:43,800
engagement with our staff but maybe to

2217
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,760
bring in Utah Mining Association or Utah

2218
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,480
Petroleum Association and talk to them

2219
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:49,560
about their industry needs from us, too.

2220
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:50,800
Maybe you want to bring in people from

2221
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,640
your industry. So, I think we have a

2222
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:54,040
great chance to

2223
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:56,040
now that we're sort of through

2224
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,960
my my you know, sort of transition into

2225
01:26:59,960 --> 01:27:03,800
this role and the budget stress, you

2226
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,760
know, that we experienced last year and

2227
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,960
our our strategic planning and sort of

2228
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,680
refocusing of the organization. Now that

2229
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,720
we're through all of that, what can we

2230
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,160
do next to help engage you as board

2231
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,320
members, also. So, I think it's time to

2232
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,560
revisit that. I just suggest we take a

2233
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,280
break and I may log out of the meeting,

2234
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:24,600
see if I can log into my computer, pull

2235
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,600
up the slide deck. I think we're missing

2236
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,760
a couple slides. Those will help me

2237
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,680
finish up our board meeting here today.

2238
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,600
So, Will you let us Will you send us

2239
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,960
announcements about those

2240
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:35,120
community engagements?

2241
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,960
>> Yes, absolutely. And we have a lot of

2242
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,800
citizen scientists, too, around the

2243
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,000
Our our

2244
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,800
outreach on popular geology is is

2245
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,480
already strong. These are some new

2246
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,320
approaches. We've kind of challenged our

2247
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,880
communications team and our GIO, our

2248
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,200
geological information outreach team, to

2249
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:55,680
just pull back from what they're doing

2250
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,760
and think really differently about how

2251
01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,240
we're reaching people and with what

2252
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,040
information and they're doing a really

2253
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,240
good job in that space.

2254
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,520
Thank you.

2255
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,720
Madam Chair. Yes,

2256
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,160
it is

2257
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:10,480
10:02.

2258
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:12,440
You want 10:15?

2259
01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:13,360
Uh

2260
01:28:13,360 --> 01:32:04,750
just tell me. 10:15

2261
01:32:04,760 --> 01:44:58,070
» Mhm.

2262
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:07,710
» to order.

2263
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,520
Madam Chair, I move Okay, here we go.

2264
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:15,030
We're back. It is now 10:19. We're

2265
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,880
Okay. Hopefully our online guests are

2266
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:19,120
still with us.

2267
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,120
Um so, I did add um I'm sorry, I

2268
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:24,440
apparently the slides that I had um

2269
01:45:24,440 --> 01:45:26,440
added in yesterday are not saving to

2270
01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:29,040
this so I apologize. Um but I have added

2271
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:30,560
in a slide I did want to talk to you

2272
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,240
guys about one of the

2273
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,360
initiatives that I would like to do for

2274
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:36,600
our geologic survey and that is some

2275
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,640
space planning

2276
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,560
and maybe when we walk through the what

2277
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,480
when I'm sharing when I'm sharing

2278
01:45:45,480 --> 01:45:49,230
Oh my goodness.

2279
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,960
Are you talking about up in that large

2280
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:53,720
joint room or

2281
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:55,480
just generally across all of our

2282
01:45:55,480 --> 01:45:55,960
offices?

2283
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,360
>> in a second sorry. I can't do two things

2284
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:01,190
at once so one second.

2285
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:05,080
I can't lose my microscope up there. That's

2286
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,973
I'm sure we'll keep that.

2287
01:46:07,983 --> 01:46:09,280
» [laughter]

2288
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:10,840
>> We're in the wrong meeting. I don't have

2289
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,080
it just

2290
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:13,760
we should be in the wrong meeting

2291
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,960
because do you show any guests in your

2292
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,080
meeting? Yeah.

2293
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,360
The calendar one doesn't work. Let me

2294
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:22,160
send it to you really quick.

2295
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:23,640
photo micrographs The calendar one

2296
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:25,480
doesn't work. The one I don't know how

2297
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:26,720
that I think I don't know how that

2298
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,480
calendar one got sent. I really don't

2299
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:29,640
know because this is the one that I get

2300
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,280
from EDNR so I'm forwarding it to you

2301
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:35,790
right now. Okay.

2302
01:46:35,800 --> 01:46:37,160
in her email

2303
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,200
in your email. Are you are you signed on

2304
01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:41,480
your email? Yeah.

2305
01:46:41,480 --> 01:46:47,928
All right, I just forwarded it.

2306
01:46:47,938 --> 01:46:51,630
» [laughter]

2307
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,120
» But you got a good window.

2308
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:58,110
I do have a

2309
01:46:58,120 --> 01:46:59,720
Okay, thanks Gerald.

2310
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:05,230
geologist

2311
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:13,430
I want to physics not

2312
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:21,950
Okay, we got people in the call. Okay.

2313
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:26,990
Um sent.

2314
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,560
I think that's right.

2315
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,840
So, where

2316
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,550
is

2317
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,560
I'm weird. I had a knee replacement like

2318
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:37,600
2 years ago. Yeah, prosthetic The

2319
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,920
prosthetic is Is it triggering or what?

2320
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,560
Yeah, it's part of his leg.

2321
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:43,400
It looks good. Yep.

2322
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:47,510
Okay.

2323
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,040
Yeah, they have that. If you guys

2324
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,920
haven't met Ben Sears, he's actually in

2325
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,920
our paleo group and does quite a bit of

2326
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:57,120
database and GIS work and he's also

2327
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,920
stepped up as our AV help and he's been

2328
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,520
saving my life and everyone else's

2329
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,200
trying to figure out how to do all this.

2330
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:05,720
So, thank you.

2331
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:07,360
>> What do you do for the paleo group?

2332
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,120
Uh, uh, managing the paleo database and

2333
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:13,030
archives.

2334
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:14,560
And

2335
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:20,200
public outreach and just helps out at UGS all around and

2336
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,160
is really accommodating and a great

2337
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:25,520
go-to person and you can tell I've been

2338
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,800
relying on him a lot.

2339
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:34,670
And it's his birthday.

2340
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,120
Oh, nice.

2341
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:37,600
Happy birthday, Ben.

2342
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,440
Thank you very much.

2343
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:41,640
All right. So, I did want to um, give

2344
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:43,200
you guys a heads-up. Um, we do have a

2345
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:44,960
little extra money. I don't want to go

2346
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,720
nuts, especially because there's a very

2347
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:51,120
high There is a very high likelihood

2348
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:54,760
that this building is not long for DNR.

2349
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,120
Um, given what's happening across the

2350
01:48:56,120 --> 01:48:58,560
street with the ballpark, our building

2351
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,440
is aging out, possibly even without the

2352
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:03,840
ballpark redevelopment, we might be

2353
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,000
considering our options. You know, DNR

2354
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:08,080
either needs to invest quite a bit of

2355
01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:10,280
money in updating our building or look

2356
01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:12,440
for a new location for DNR.

2357
01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:15,760
>> or the DNR? The whole entire campus.

2358
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:20,640
The entire campus. It's all one parcel.

2359
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,680
Which I have encouraged them to consider

2360
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,560
splitting the parcel where it narrows

2361
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,200
down behind the apartment building, but

2362
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,760
I don't think that's going to happen.

2363
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,600
So, um as we look at building

2364
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:35,040
modifications, we do need to be mindful

2365
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,840
about whatever we invest. For one thing,

2366
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,240
any investments I make in UGS space

2367
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:42,920
comes out of UGS's budget. There is no

2368
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:46,200
magic pot of money for building upgrades

2369
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,240
um that DNR has. So, um

2370
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:51,480
and

2371
01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:53,760
uh there I think we'll have

2372
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,560
more information within within a month

2373
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,640
or two about

2374
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:00,440
timelines and where.

2375
01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:02,440
Uh but right now, I don't have anything

2376
01:50:02,440 --> 01:50:04,400
that I can share about that, but I know

2377
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,320
when I've gone to DFCM and to our

2378
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,080
building manager for costs, they've been

2379
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:09,920
like, "Just really think about how much

2380
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:11,880
you want to invest right now." So, I am

2381
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:14,200
being mindful about that. Also, you

2382
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,440
know, while we have some money to put

2383
01:50:16,440 --> 01:50:18,120
into our, you know, culture and the

2384
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:20,240
environment, you know, we don't want to

2385
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,000
go crazy, right? Um I'd rather put that

2386
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,600
money into hiring science people and

2387
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:26,960
making sure we can take care of the

2388
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:29,160
people we have with promotions and ASIs.

2389
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:30,640
But, I think there are a few things we

2390
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:33,240
need to do. For one thing, we have four

2391
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:35,240
new people starting really soon, and

2392
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:38,080
we're already out of space. We had a

2393
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:41,520
statewide return to work um policy

2394
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,240
enacted last year, so everybody needs to

2395
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,680
be in office at least 2 days a week if

2396
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,000
not three if they're supervisors. So,

2397
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:52,080
that brought at least nine to maybe 15

2398
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:54,160
people back in the office.

2399
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,360
Um and so, as I walk around,

2400
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,040
well, for one thing, we have a lot of

2401
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:02,120
old clutter in our office, and so we

2402
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:03,520
I've been on kind of a housekeeping

2403
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,640
initiative, and we've actually

2404
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,600
accomplished one big sweep of, you know,

2405
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:11,240
disposing of a lot of materials and

2406
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:13,200
surplussing a bunch of cabinets,

2407
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:16,600
especially and old stuff sitting around.

2408
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:18,080
So, kudos to our team for taking the

2409
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,000
time to do that. We're going to go on

2410
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,200
another pass-through

2411
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,040
of, you know, disposal and surplus.

2412
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,840
But, our break room is super shabby. The

2413
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,800
countertop has like mold that you can't

2414
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,760
remove on it. The floors are really

2415
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,440
gross. It's not a very hospitable break

2416
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:38,320
room, and with 90 people, 85 people just

2417
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,200
in our group, this is the third third

2418
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:43,000
floor break room. So, with, you know, 80

2419
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,800
plus going on 90 people in our group,

2420
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,840
and the other folks that use it, I

2421
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,080
people don't stay long in there. And so,

2422
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,240
I think we can upgrade our break room a

2423
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:57,760
little bit. I have a proposal from DFCM

2424
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,200
to replace the countertop, replace the

2425
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,680
flooring, and paint.

2426
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:04,360
DFCM's expensive, so I get sticker

2427
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:07,760
shock. It's $15,000 to do that, but I

2428
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:09,520
think that's money that I would like to

2429
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,040
invest into giving our employees a nicer

2430
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:14,080
space to make their lunch in. There's

2431
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,040
also vending machines in there, and the

2432
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:18,400
team that runs the vending has agreed to

2433
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:20,320
remove one of the vending machines. It's

2434
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,200
super noisy and takes up a lot of space.

2435
01:52:22,200 --> 01:52:23,960
So, that'll give us some additional room

2436
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:26,200
there, too. So, I think I'm ready to

2437
01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:27,680
move forward with the break room

2438
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:29,840
renovation. The other thing I'm looking

2439
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:32,280
at is um well, there's three things. The

2440
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,160
break room renovation, we have four new

2441
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,760
people coming now, and we need a second

2442
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,480
conference room. Our conference room

2443
01:52:39,480 --> 01:52:41,880
where we meet every Monday morning, and

2444
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:43,080
you know, all our meetings are held

2445
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:46,640
throughout the week, is in a really, small space.

2446
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:48,720
Really big chairs.

2447
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:51,280
Um and it's super claustrophobic in

2448
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,520
there, and it only seats about nine

2449
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,360
people comfortably at the most. And our

2450
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,160
programs each have about 15 people in

2451
01:52:59,160 --> 01:52:59,880
them.

2452
01:52:59,880 --> 01:53:02,400
So, I'm looking to create a second

2453
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,840
conference room. We also have a lot of

2454
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:05,360
overlapping conflicts when this

2455
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:07,960
conference room isn't available.

2456
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:12,160
And we host we we host more meetings

2457
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,200
that are you know bringing in other

2458
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:16,640
agencies from DNR in our conference

2459
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:18,240
space. I think that's a little new for

2460
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:19,520
UGS.

2461
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,320
So we're bringing in you know our sister

2462
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,880
agencies to meet with us more often now.

2463
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:26,280
And so we just have a lot of conference

2464
01:53:26,280 --> 01:53:29,080
conflicts. So I'm looking to convert a

2465
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,960
big room that we call Kangia into a

2466
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:35,640
conference room. It's quite roomy. It's

2467
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:40,280
maybe like if you went from the columns

2468
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,640
Well actually it's bigger than that.

2469
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:45,000
It's probably half again as deep as this

2470
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,080
space. So it's quite roomy and it's

2471
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:49,160
actually has a really great

2472
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,480
configuration where we can get tables on

2473
01:53:51,480 --> 01:53:53,800
rollers and then move them around into a

2474
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:55,920
U shape or you know combine them all

2475
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,680
together.

2476
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,800
There are right now it's a really

2477
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,640
inefficient and weird setup where we

2478
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:06,440
have these two huge tables that two

2479
01:54:06,440 --> 01:54:08,480
people use when they're in office as

2480
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:11,840
work space and then some cubicles like

2481
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,040
put in there also. It just is kind of

2482
01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,320
weird. And so

2483
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,920
we would

2484
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:20,840
create some new modular work stations

2485
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:22,880
for those people as well as the people

2486
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,360
that are coming to work with us our new

2487
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,760
people and then

2488
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:28,480
um

2489
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:30,640
convert the conference room space with

2490
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:32,440
the purchase of some tables and chairs

2491
01:54:32,440 --> 01:54:34,240
into a conference second conference room

2492
01:54:34,240 --> 01:54:36,520
in Kangia. So I've had some space

2493
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:40,200
planners come and walk around that are

2494
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,160
vendors that DFC and works with. So

2495
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,320
we've had three of them come in and walk

2496
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:45,800
around with us. I'm starting to get

2497
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:48,480
proposals in right now

2498
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,720
for the conference room conversion

2499
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:53,000
furniture. It's really just furniture

2500
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,040
and additional monitor and one new

2501
01:54:56,040 --> 01:54:58,960
modular work station for four to five

2502
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,640
people that we primarily are I'm looking

2503
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,760
at is a kind of central open area in the

2504
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:07,160
energy and minerals group. So, um

2505
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:08,920
I will get

2506
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,320
prices for those. This is kind of one of

2507
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:13,320
my one of my priorities. We have a lot

2508
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:17,000
of storage right now in open spaces that

2509
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:19,000
have natural light, and then people are

2510
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,440
crammed into these kind of interior, you

2511
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:23,680
know, dark spaces. So, I just want to

2512
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:25,280
move people into areas where there's

2513
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:28,480
natural light. And then, you know,

2514
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:30,800
corral We have like eight supply

2515
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,840
cabinets, you know, spread out through

2516
01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:34,880
the survey. We can move those into a

2517
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,120
room where we have a plotter. There's We

2518
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:38,720
have another very large room that really

2519
01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:40,360
has like a plotter and a copy machine in

2520
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:42,880
it. So, not very well utilized space as

2521
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,920
well. So, let's consolidate our supply

2522
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:46,800
cabinets, put them all in there. That'll

2523
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:48,520
free up a ton of space. We have a lot of

2524
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,480
filing cabinets. We have some closets

2525
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,040
where we have stuff stored that we can

2526
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,360
consolidate. And just use our space

2527
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:56,920
better, declutter it a little bit, have

2528
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,160
a little more light that comes through.

2529
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,800
Hazards has actually a big bullpen area

2530
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:04,680
of workstations, but it's almost

2531
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,760
completely full of data preservation

2532
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,080
files. That work needs to be completed,

2533
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:10,760
and those files need to get archived and

2534
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:13,160
shipped out of there. So, I've asked

2535
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:15,640
them to respect the timeline because we

2536
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:17,840
need those workstation spaces for

2537
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:19,440
people, and there's literally just like

2538
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:22,720
boxes of massive files dashed in there.

2539
01:56:22,720 --> 01:56:24,200
So, I think we can do a little bit

2540
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:25,320
better.

2541
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:27,240
Um I'm going to get some costs for this.

2542
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:27,800
Uh

2543
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:30,400
I haven't opened those emails yet, so I

2544
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:31,720
can't

2545
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:32,960
tell you what they are. I'm not sure I

2546
01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:34,800
really want to see those. And again,

2547
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:36,720
this is, you know, this is something I'd

2548
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:40,760
like to do if the costs are reasonable.

2549
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:43,320
Any thoughts about

2550
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:44,960
that? Do you guys want to see the

2551
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:48,200
numbers before I move ahead or

2552
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:49,960
just trust me on this one?

2553
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:53,400
>> What's your budget goal? Under 100 grand

2554
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,800
or 200 grand or I don't really have a

2555
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:57,720
budget. I would I would

2556
01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,280
I don't know how much these workstations

2557
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:01,240
cost right now. That's that's a wild

2558
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:02,600
card. I think the conference room will

2559
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:04,560
be pretty reasonable with, you know,

2560
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,120
movable tables and chairs. And I think

2561
01:57:07,120 --> 01:57:09,520
that's well worth the investment. We

2562
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,200
need the workstations, but, you know,

2563
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:14,560
the sky's the limit on workstations.

2564
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,960
There's a lot of different uh price

2565
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:18,880
points out there for furniture

2566
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:21,120
providers. The great thing is that with

2567
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:25,040
DFCM's vendors, um Midwestern Interiors

2568
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:27,320
and HP Workplaces, they have a whole

2569
01:57:27,320 --> 01:57:30,240
suite of product price points that we

2570
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:32,800
can use for those workstations. So, we

2571
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:34,520
want to find something that gives our

2572
01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:37,920
team, you know, a a nice work space, but

2573
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:39,160
it is

2574
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:44,550
of on the geological survey budget.

2575
01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:47,120
Oh, good. Okay. All right. Yeah, we're

2576
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:50,520
we are looking for room for

2577
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:51,560
uh people.

2578
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:52,560
So,

2579
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:54,800
just wanted to put that out there. Oh,

2580
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:56,720
yeah. And then, since I know you didn't

2581
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:59,720
you were purposely vague, could the

2582
01:57:59,720 --> 01:58:02,400
could a move be uh uh uh

2583
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:06,680
Two to four years, probably, I think.

2584
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:09,640
So, the biggest issue for us is this

2585
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:11,840
building

2586
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,360
So, and they know about that. DNR is

2587
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,800
very aware that if this portion of the

2588
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:21,840
parcel is involved in, you know, uh real

2589
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:23,760
estate transfer, the core center needs

2590
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,240
to be moved. Now, that could be a great

2591
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:28,160
opportunity for us,

2592
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:31,280
right? Because we could look for a new

2593
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,000
space for the core center, for the big

2594
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,160
warehouse that maybe has a nicer

2595
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:38,360
educational center, has more core layout

2596
01:58:38,360 --> 01:58:41,400
and viewing areas for us, maybe has

2597
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,520
additional space for our paleo and, you

2598
01:58:44,520 --> 01:58:46,840
know, uh

2599
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,520
K through 12 teacher kit supplies that

2600
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:50,800
they have.

2601
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,440
So, and it also is something where we

2602
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,400
might want to solicit funds to help

2603
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:57,680
build out a new core center, too. I

2604
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,200
think that's something we could probably

2605
01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:01,520
put on our August agenda or talk about

2606
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:03,400
it while we're on our board field trip.

2607
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,680
It's not an emergency, but I think we

2608
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:06,840
should I think we should

2609
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:07,960
>> And I think we got to get out in front

2610
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:10,880
of it. So, DNR previously pitched us

2611
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:12,720
that, "Hey, why don't we just digitize

2612
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,040
the core center and then keep six all

2613
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,440
the core cuz they're expensive."

2614
01:59:16,440 --> 01:59:17,800
Which of course would destroy the value

2615
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:18,880
of core. And they're they're thinking

2616
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:20,880
more digital, which I I get it if you're

2617
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,720
not a geologist, you know, why store all

2618
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,240
this expensive core.

2619
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:25,720
That might be something that I think

2620
01:59:25,720 --> 01:59:27,720
we've convinced them I think we've

2621
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:30,120
convinced them that this is a physical

2622
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:32,320
resource. I I haven't heard that brought

2623
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:35,200
up lately. I think I got them over that.

2624
01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,120
So, um there is also

2625
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:40,120
there is a proposal, one of the bills

2626
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:42,120
that was passed was

2627
01:59:42,120 --> 01:59:44,400
um a resolution

2628
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:48,480
to create a mines center in Utah, um

2629
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:49,800
either with federal funding or state

2630
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:52,960
funding. And this would be um a facility

2631
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:55,440
that was centered you know

2632
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:57,320
that is centered on supporting the

2633
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:59,480
mining industry. And that could be a

2634
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:01,480
lab. They're looking at like the

2635
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:04,160
national lab model where, you know,

2636
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,720
mining companies or, you know, minerals

2637
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,840
processing um people, engineers could

2638
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:11,840
come in and, you know, demonstrate a

2639
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,720
technology for minerals processing and

2640
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:17,120
recovery. Um is a

2641
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:19,160
you know, potential core center or at

2642
02:00:19,160 --> 02:00:22,080
least a core education center part of

2643
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:23,400
that. Would that help support the

2644
02:00:23,400 --> 02:00:26,200
minerals industry? So, we've been asked

2645
02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:30,000
to kind of think and envision what UGS

2646
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,960
could um provide in a potential mines

2647
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,440
center. Um so, we'll just kind of

2648
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:39,440
continue on that. So, I think for for

2649
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:41,880
all of us, let's continue the

2650
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:43,760
conversation about a potential future

2651
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:45,720
core center and what that might look

2652
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:48,800
like. Um but we're not moving in the

2653
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,510
next

2654
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:53,960
And I'm just guessing on the 2 5 years.

2655
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:55,320
So, we just got to build that whole new

2656
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:58,783
facility by the prison.

2657
02:00:58,793 --> 02:00:59,040
» [clears throat]

2658
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:00,840
>> Do you do you know about the prison?

2659
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:01,520
The

2660
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:05,080
new prison or the old prison?

2661
02:01:05,080 --> 02:01:07,963
The state got a lot of land out there.

2662
02:01:07,963 --> 02:01:08,360
>> [laughter]

2663
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,400
>> I don't think they're going to be

2664
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,080
building it in jail.

2665
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:14,120
But, if they are,

2666
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,823
I have thoughts.

2667
02:01:15,823 --> 02:01:17,870
>> [laughter]

2668
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:19,480
» Yeah, there could be like hot bunk

2669
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:20,160
housing there.

2670
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:26,670
>> That's right.

2671
02:01:26,680 --> 02:01:28,480
They'll make big promises about the

2672
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:30,400
mosquito abatement first.

2673
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,350
Yeah, right. Mosquito abatement.

2674
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:35,560
Okay.

2675
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:36,720
Um, yeah, just want to be really

2676
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:38,360
transparent about, you know, things that

2677
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:41,120
might be bigger ticket capital expenses

2678
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:43,680
than you've seen in the past, so I just

2679
02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:44,800
feel like that's something we should

2680
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:46,280
share.

2681
02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:47,640
Okay, and I think that just kind of

2682
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:49,360
brings us to our closing discussion

2683
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:50,760
items.

2684
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:52,560
Um, I don't think I have any upcoming

2685
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:55,640
announcement. Our next board meeting is

2686
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:57,640
August 10th.

2687
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,680
So, check your calendars. What's that?

2688
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:03,800
The 12th. 12th. Okay, thank you.

2689
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,000
Check your calendars, um, to see if that

2690
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,600
works for you. There's a possibility

2691
02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,400
that I may or may not be at that

2692
02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:13,680
meeting, so if I'm not available,

2693
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:16,840
Stephen Curry will, um,

2694
02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:19,480
be our be our, you know,

2695
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:21,120
acting director for that. I have to have

2696
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:22,640
my knee replaced, and I'm thinking about

2697
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:25,000
doing it in mid-July, and so I just may

2698
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:29,440
not be back on board by August 12th.

2699
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:32,120
So, I'll just Stephen Curry will be

2700
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:33,840
acting director while I'm on medical

2701
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,160
leave.

2702
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:37,080
He'll do a great job.

2703
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:39,280
If we have the Crawford award between

2704
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:41,000
now and June, and remember we're going

2705
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:44,760
to talk about a process. That is right.

2706
02:02:44,760 --> 02:02:46,720
Okay.

2707
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:49,360
So, let's add we may want to amend our

2708
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:50,840
agenda

2709
02:02:50,840 --> 02:02:53,120
for today just to indicate that let's do

2710
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:54,800
talk about the Crawford Award. Thank you

2711
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,240
for remembering that because by June, by

2712
02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:00,480
the time we meet in August, it'll be

2713
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:02,520
past. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll we'll

2714
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:05,000
visit that. Um let's just talk real

2715
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,080
quick about our board field trip. So,

2716
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:10,400
October 7th through 9th.

2717
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:13,680
Um Sheryl sent out a draft itinerary,

2718
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:14,920
and again, we'll talk about this in

2719
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:16,920
August as well. So, any last-minute

2720
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:18,600
changes to this, we'll let you guys

2721
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:20,320
know, but right now these are the dates

2722
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:22,480
for that. Um we'll fly you guys down to

2723
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:24,880
State Plane. It's about an hour and 20

2724
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:28,400
minutes, I think. So, we'll meet here.

2725
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,720
We'll go over to aviation, get a safety

2726
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:34,360
briefing, load up. Please, as you think

2727
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:35,840
about what you're going to pack, just

2728
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:38,160
pack super light. We We can also put

2729
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:40,440
stuff in the vans, but you would need to

2730
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:42,560
have it here the day before cuz the vans

2731
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,360
are going to go down the day in advance.

2732
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:47,320
Um but otherwise, just pack light. It's

2733
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:49,040
a couple days in October. Weather should

2734
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,480
be great.

2735
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:54,040
Be a really great field tour down there.

2736
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:56,000
Excited about it, and then we'll be

2737
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:01,110
field tripping our way back in the vans.

2738
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:04,480
Um and then again, before we talk about

2739
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:05,880
the Crawford Award, let's just talk

2740
02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:08,680
about our future board meetings, and

2741
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:10,960
um do we want to do presentations from

2742
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:12,720
programs? Would you be interested in

2743
02:04:12,720 --> 02:04:15,240
having Utah Mining Association's

2744
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:17,320
director come in just to kind of meet,

2745
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,520
and maybe you do that same with UPA as

2746
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:21,760
well.

2747
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:24,480
Um what are you guys interested in

2748
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:28,830
hearing more from about the survey?

2749
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:30,960
You know, if we got Mike in here once in

2750
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:32,280
a while,

2751
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:33,760
uh you know, see what they're doing,

2752
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:37,200
safety pool, water meat.

2753
02:04:37,200 --> 02:04:39,160
You know, once a year or every 2 years,

2754
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:41,560
you just kind of go through there.

2755
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,400
Do a 20-minute presentation and answer

2756
02:04:43,400 --> 02:04:45,120
any questions or

2757
02:04:45,120 --> 02:04:46,480
support they'd like from the board.

2758
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:48,440
Okay, so maybe program by program.

2759
02:04:48,440 --> 02:04:50,440
That's you know, one per one per

2760
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:52,280
meeting, program by program. Do you want

2761
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:54,760
the staff to come in as well? So you can

2762
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:56,200
meet the staff.

2763
02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:57,400
Okay.

2764
02:04:57,400 --> 02:04:58,720
Yeah.

2765
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:00,120
Well, I think you'd be surprised by how

2766
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:02,640
much bigger some of our groups are.

2767
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:03,880
Like do you have the picnic already

2768
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:05,480
planned this year?

2769
02:05:05,480 --> 02:05:08,040
Yes, we do.

2770
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:09,200
Some of that, you know, we also get at

2771
02:05:09,200 --> 02:05:10,720
the picnics, but it's it's just in a

2772
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,840
different setting. Oh, yeah.

2773
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:15,960
We love having you guys at the picnics

2774
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:20,230
and our holiday party.

2775
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:32,830
I think it's June

2776
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:34,360
Well, where do you guys get your dessert

2777
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:36,960
places? Ordered that I'll buy

2778
02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:39,000
them they're so stinking good.

2779
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:45,230
June 18th.

2780
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:47,640
Yes, June 18th.

2781
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:51,160
Uh 11:30 to 5:00, but everybody leaves

2782
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,960
by like 4:00. So 11:30

2783
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:56,640
and at the same place, Big Cottonwood

2784
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,910
Regional Park.

2785
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:04,710
In the pavilions.

2786
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:10,270
Oh, wait. That was 2025.

2787
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:13,520
It's the 25th. It's the 25th.

2788
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,000
My calendar doesn't do a good enough

2789
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:23,750
searching. Yeah, the 25th.

2790
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,480
Okay, but same place?