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>> All right. Thank you, Paul. I appreciate

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it. Well, welcome to the uh the May uh

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Outdoor Adventure Commission. We're

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happy to have everybody here. Uh those

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that are uh we have some participating

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online and some in some in person, but

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we have a quorum, so we're going to go

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ahead and get started. Uh thank you for

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coming. Uh, I'd like to extend a welcome

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to our new commissioner, uh, Greg

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Jensen. Um, uh, Greg, can you, uh,

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introduce yourself? Give us a little

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overview of of who you are. Thanks.

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>> Uh, my name is Greg Jensen. I am a

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commissioner for Seir County. I, uh, I'm

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in my fourth year of uh, of that seat

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and running unopposed for a second term.

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I lived in Seir Valley for 30 years. I

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have an insurance agency, independent

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agency that I've run for almost 40

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years. Have a wonderful wife, three

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daughters, three son-in-laws, and three

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grandchildren.

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>> All right. Well, we're we're happy to

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have you. Thank you. Um Okay, then we'll

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go to uh approval of the minutes. Um

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somebody want somebody like to make that

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>> I'd be happy to make the motion to

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approve the minutes.

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>> Okay. All right. Uh the motion is that

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we approve the minutes of um that were

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sent out Friday, May 1st from our last

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meeting was that November meeting. Um

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>> All right. That that passes. Uh okay.

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We'll move to agenda item number three.

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Uh our recreation participation trend

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study update. Uh Jeremy Sage and Jake

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Jorgensson. Uh go ahead whenever you're

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All right, great. Thanks everybody. Uh

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hopefully you can hear me. I my screen

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is lighting up so that's a good sign. Uh

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thanks for having us and uh thanks for

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your support of this project too. We

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wanted to take a few minutes to update

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you on where this project is, where it's

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been, and where it's uh going over the

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course of the uh remainder of this year

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and early into 2027.

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Uh so just a little bit of introduction

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uh of RSC. If we can scroll to the next

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slide, just for those of you that might

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be uh not familiar with us, uh we are an

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outdoor recreation and um social science

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uh market research firm. Uh we've been

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doing research in the outdoor recreck

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industry and tourism industry uh for the

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last 40 plus years. Uh we do we do do a

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lot of work there in Utah with uh ski

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Utah and understanding understanding

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where the the ski industry is in Utah as

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well as nationwide with the ski

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industry, the national parks across the country and other states and

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communities across the country as well

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in the outdoor recreation and tourism

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space. Uh so it's been a great

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opportunity for us to dive uh even

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further into Utah and in this effort

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here. We look forward to continuing that

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with uh Carly, Jason, and company there

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uh in Outdoor Rec. So, if we can go on

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to the next slide, please. And just to

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give you an overview, uh for those of

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you that may not recall, what motivated

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this study and for those of you that are

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charged with trying to understand and uh

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the goal was to really understand uh how

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really just how vital outdoor recreation

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is to the Utah economy. um with a

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recognition that it is vital and helping

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the uh division of outdoor rec

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understand what has gone on, what is

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going on and what are those those shifts

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that are occurring in outdoor recreation

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and how does that change participation

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patterns whether that be uh seasonally,

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daily, uh by activity type uh in with

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within uh counties in regions and

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throughout the state and understanding

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kind of what are those key trends that

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are out there. uh some of these examples

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so of of ebiking and the uh

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opportunities and challenges that ebikes

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create as well as we saw lots of uh

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alteration in who and how much and where

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people recreate uh during the the uh the

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co 19 pandemic and we have other

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population changes that have gone on as

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change in outdoor recreation that we

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how do we understand what is going on

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and how to measure that and measure it

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uh data driven method that's out there

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such that we can be comparable across

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load locations across regions across

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activities. Uh and we want to take this

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effort not in an effort to just start

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from ground zero and build up but an

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effort really to build on past planning

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efforts that have gone on whether that

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be through various land managers there

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in Utah or via academic or other

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consulting partners that are out there

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as well. I know Utah State has done a

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lot of work uh in this realm. We really

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opportunities to to learn and grow from

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them are. So if we go on to the next

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understanding in doing this is really to

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patterns are and help to identify those

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emerging trends. And really what those

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goals then allow us to do is really

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assess the e economic and social and

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health impacts that are out there. We

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know beyond just being a major industry

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and economic driver, uh the outdoor

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recreation industry provides a great uh

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space for understanding quality of life

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for residents across Utah across the

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emergence of people moving to places,

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places as a direct result of the

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perceived quality of life that's

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available there. And we do have real

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measures of those quality of life

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outcomes because of access and

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opportunity for outdoor recreation. So

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it becomes more and more important both

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uh economically, socially and for our

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own uh individual and community health

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as well. So being able to stay on the

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forefront of of what is emerging and

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growing from the outdirect opportunity

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as other states that have significant

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outdirect industries. And then really

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four is really trying to develop those

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actual recommendations from this effort

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have opportunities for you all and

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partners across Utah to be able to put

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these into action based on reliable and

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what what it is we're trying to do in

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recreation measurement framework. So we

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recreation measurements and

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participation uh match up succinctly

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with one another, which creates

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challenges when we're trying to uh

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weight out uh the volume and level and

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diversity and seasonality of all these

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data and observational data and build a

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centralized uh Utah based recreation

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data repository that allows us to

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measurement that currently exist. Uh,

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collection methodologies that we'll get

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effort. And then that puts us on a a

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strong foot forward to continue this

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data collection process in addition to

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continue to really build a really robust

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how these participation trends uh

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how they're experienced in Utah and how

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they're evolving adapting in Utah too as

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next decade plus. And I think just to to

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understanding participation trends,

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lot of change in outdoor recreation

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participation and trying to get on top

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actually one of the first states that

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across the entire state on how

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participation levels change. Um and

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on right now uh at a state level because

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agencies uh federal agency land managers

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with understanding uh on an activity

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level what the participation looks like

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counting visitors that are coming in

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what those visitors that are coming in

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what is it that they are really doing um

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this opportunity here is really uh like

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front burner of that and being that

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ahead of the game in understanding these

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recreation trends. So our overall goal,

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one key piece of this is that that

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standard definitions and documentation

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of that so we can align each of these

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apples to apples rather than uh where we

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currently sit where uh forest service

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measurement is for national parks

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doesn't fully match with what state

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parks has. And we're not going to go in

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measurements. But this allows us, this

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allows Utah to be able to uh code and

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will create that scheme for that

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recreation data repository uh for all of

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Utah's uh recreation opportunities.

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So if we can go on to the next slide,

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please.

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we are going next and what we are

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starting up in this uh later this month

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in early June uh is we'll be looking at

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five different uh pilot sites that we

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will be uh collecting data on and we'll

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be collecting this data in a in a

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handful of mechanisms. Uh, one will be

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pulling in data that's already existing

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if and when it does exist and uh that

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would be uh trail counters, parking

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counts, boat ramp counters, any of those

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things that give us a count of those

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individuals or groups that are entering

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a site. And the goal with with this is

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to test these methods across a diversity

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of recreation types across the state. Uh

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so we're pulling in those that may be uh

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really made up of dispersed recreation

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across a large landscape and maybe

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smaller landscape with much higher level

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of activity and use really dense

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potentially even some might consider

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crowded spaces on there. Pulling in

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water-based recreation to test how these

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potential methods uh may be able to be

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applied across a diversity of uh

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recreation types locations. So a key

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piece of this will then also be uh

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intercept based surveys. So

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understanding not just what that count

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of people is coming into the location

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but also what it is that they are doing

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while they're on site which gets us

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really to the heart of participation.

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And so those those on-site surveys will

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be conducted over a roughly 10day period

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at each of these locations to give us a

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good idea of what these visitors are

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doing. And we'll overlay both those

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first two bullets with uh mobile mobile

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location data. Uh so cell phone based

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data for those of you that are unaware.

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Jake, do you want to give a a snippet of

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what mobile location data is for us?

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>> Yeah. So if you if you've seen uh if

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you've never seen mobile location data,

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basically we're able to gather anonymous

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uh cell phone data from people in parks.

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And this data has been used in other

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industries for a long time, but the park

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and recck field is more new to it. But

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we have our own data set that we use,

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but also we're we'll be leaning a little

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bit on um the Utah Office of Tourism as

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well because they've gave us a bit of a

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demo on some of the work that they've

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done with it. But essentially what we're

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able to do is look at across a park and

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especially at these pilot sites where

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people are going in the park, what's

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kind of the level of density of use. So

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if you see a single trail head or a

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single location that shows up with

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really dense congestion, we can use our

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surveys and some of these other data

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sets to kind of cross validate what

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we're seeing. So it gives us the ability

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to kind of look back in time uh and and

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understand how people are moving around

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a site, but also where they come from.

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um cell phone location data because it's

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being collected 24/7 365. The big data

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warehouses that collect this on a large

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scale are able to understand the town

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that people visit. So you can look at

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local versus instate out of state trends

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to see how people are using a site

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differently. So we'll be using that in

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conjunction with intercept surveys plus

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these other counts that already exist

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like Jeremy mentioned if there's trail

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counters or parking lot counts as well

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as any kind of permit data. And we try

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to take these different methods of data

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together to um kind of triangulate what

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participation looks like at a site.

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>> Great. Okay. And then if we go to the

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next side slide, we can go over uh just

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quickly what these five pilot sites are

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that we were we worked with a handful of

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partners across uh state of Utah both in

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terms of forest service folks uh BLM

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folks, state park folks, tourism uh and

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of course the folks there at the

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division of outdirect to identify a set

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of five sites to give us a nice

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cross-section of recreation

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opportunities, potentially recreation

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challenges that exist out there across

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Utah. So, the first one that we are are

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looking to be at uh will be out in uh

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early May or sorry, late May to early

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June. Uh this will be the uh the Valley

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of the Gods area there in southeastern

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Utah with a primary uh recreation type

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of u motorized recreation. Uh we see

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this as a really remote scenic landscape

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which sometimes can create challenges

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for surveying. Uh but also uh we have

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some unique opportunities to get in and

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not only survey and capture what we can

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but also utilize that mobility based

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data to capture uh those locations where

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we might not be able to get into a

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survey and understand what that broader

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volume is and understand how these

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methods might work for

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uh low volume usage across a wide uh

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swath of area to understand that that

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capacity there. So that's our first one

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that will be in in uh late May, early

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June. And if we go to our next slide, we

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will have a very different uh piece of

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uh Utah property there in Sand Hollow

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Reservoir down there in southern Utah

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with uh motorized non-motorized water

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use. Uh we see this as a very high uh

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demand type space. A lot of supply built

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up around that with the large boat

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launch, parking areas, and amenities

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that are there on site. And so this

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gives us a chance to test out these

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methods with a really concentrated use

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low location that also includes

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water-based recreation uh there. And

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this one will be another one that we are

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getting to in

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uh uh early summer, so June of of this

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year. So these will be our first two.

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And then our last three we'll do is

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we'll uh get through the the peak of

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summer and get into more uh late summer

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early fall pieces. So if we go to the

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next slide and this next one that we are

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thinking about here is uh hold the rock

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road. So coming uh there again in

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southern Utah again another uh mixed use

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motorized use hiking, biking, climbing.

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This one on the demand side is a

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relatively medium. If we think about it

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a range from uh Valley of the Gods up

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through something like a sand hollow

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this falls more in that medium side. So

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it's a access corridor within this first

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recreation base out of there. So that

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gives us another site for uh testing

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these methods out. And again, this will

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be one that's in early fall of of 2026.

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And then if we go to next slide, we get

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into the Pavant trail system. So we're

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getting into more uh non-motorized

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recreation sites up there in uh central

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Utah by Richfield there. Again, another

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medium uh use area. And really what we

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have here is that that purpose-built

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trail networks with destination biking

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going on. So this is a one that's really have a space for uh non-motorized

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use uh trail systems and understand how

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um especially here like mo mobility data

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allows us to understand those those

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flows of uh visitors through and out

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there and understand are we capturing

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all these users uh at key uh trail

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heads? Are there more dispersed

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recreation going on that we may not be

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capturing and how do we capture those in

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a comprehensive manner? And again, this

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one will be done in late summer or early

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fall. And then our last one is

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skip ahead again,

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the uh the Guardsman Pass recreation

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area. So larger recreation area. A lot

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of opportunities there to capture the

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wide variety of uh spaces there on the

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central Wasatch. Uh big uh demand level

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here in this space. uh potential areas

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for uh for that demand uh or exceeding

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uh some of the supply that is there. So

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understanding what those those

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constraints might be, how the users or

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visitors may perceive uh those

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experiences there given the level of

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supply that's available compared to that

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level of demand that's there. And this

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one again will be in that that fall time

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period potentially into that uh that

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leaf peeping space as we get in into the fall of 26 year. So those are our

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five pilot sites that we'll be using.

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Again, we'll be during the summer and

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throughout this period of time, we'll be

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doing our pilot sites. We'll also be

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collecting and uh assessing that data

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for our standardized definitions across

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each of these spaces and across all

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landscapes in Utah as well that we can

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understand how to make sure we can

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calibrate data collection that's ongoing

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from all our our land managers and

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public entities that are out there. So

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if we go to the last slide here or last

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two slides. Uh so the the goal of all

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this this effort here is really to dive

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in dig deep to what we don't necessarily

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know right now. Right? We we can get

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counts. We can pull up mobility data and

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see where people are going on site,

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where they're coming from, but we don't

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know a lot of their perspectives, their

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perceptions of those sites. So we want

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to do through the development of these surveys is to really capture

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behavioral patterns, understanding what

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it is they're doing, when they're doing

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it, how they may may perceive the

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conditions on the ground, uh that can

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help us understand better what's going

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on with that that count data. So, not

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only will we be doing these on-site

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intercept surveys, but we're also

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conducting a uh a panel-based online

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survey that will be distributed to a set

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of Utah residents as a as well as a set

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of visitors to Utah uh that have been

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there and experienced the uh outdoor

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recreation spaces over the course of the

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last two years to get us a general

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perspective of who is doing what in Utah

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on what kinds of landscapes and using

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what kinds of equipment, whether that be

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uh ebikes or uh mountain bikes, road

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bikes, uh skis, whatever those cases may

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be to pull all these pieces together.

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And like Jake mentioned earlier, uh

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thinking about how we are able to

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triangulate the information that were

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collected via these various uh portals

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of information coming in from surveys,

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from counts, from administrative data,

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from mobility data. So if we can go back

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to the next slide or board. Uh so just

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to reiterate what our our goals were

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here and these are our outcomes really

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to understand what these trends are as

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they are exist on the ground in Utah. Uh

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really put us at that that front step of

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how do we understand these? How do we uh

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be prepared for changing dynamics as

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much as we can in how and when and where

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spaces are used across Utah. That in a

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nutshell uh is where we're at with this

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project. uh hope to be able to come back

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in uh

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the later fall, early winter to uh give

541
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an update on how these four or sorry,

542
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,679
these five case studies have uh unfolded

543
00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,080
and how this fits into what our final

544
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,120
outcomes might look like.

545
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,240
Not sure if we want to take any

546
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,000
questions on that or

547
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,600
>> All right. Yeah, thank you for your

548
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,280
presentation. Are there any questions

549
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,960
from any of the commissioners? Anybody

550
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,120
have any Do we have any Oh, go ahead,

551
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:10,159
Natalie. Thanks. Um well, first off,

552
00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:12,480
we've worked with RC before. So with the

553
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,760
office of tourism, I don't know Jeremy

554
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,280
if you can see me, but um great partners

555
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,960
and we always respect the knowledge that

556
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,559
they bring to our state, especially with

557
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:21,919
sharing this information and they've

558
00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:24,000
done it regionally as well. Um a

559
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,679
question that I have that we always

560
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:28,159
navigate with tourism is forwardf facing

561
00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,080
information and how do we forecast for

562
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,600
future trends. I don't know if that's

563
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,960
something that you all are considering

564
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,440
with this data set and how you can think

565
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,520
of a methodology for thinking about that

566
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,960
because we're always looking to predict

567
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,480
for the future as we're thinking about

568
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,159
planning for our outdoor recreation

569
00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:44,400
experiences and visitor experiences.

570
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,080
>> I don't know if there's anything in this

571
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,799
study that covers that as well.

572
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,720
>> I think there I mean I think naturally

573
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,799
the the goal of this study is to have

574
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,280
something that's reproducible like by by

575
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,280
the state to be able to define other

576
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,799
areas. And I think that the general

577
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,720
reason why we picked the categories that

578
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,840
we've used to define areas, one Utah

579
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,640
State has had developed those um in

580
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,320
their their previous planning effort.

581
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,080
But the idea would be like if you have a

582
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480
site that is very high demand and high

583
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,200
supply, what can you expect in terms of

584
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,720
some of the trends and participation

585
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,480
challenges you might see at it? The idea

586
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,039
is be able to categorize sites kind of

587
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,840
broadly but then over time conduct

588
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,159
research on on a regular basis to try to

589
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:28,480
understand how trends have shifted. So I

590
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,480
think our goal is to make sure that

591
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,960
there can be some forward looking. There

592
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,200
are always you know as you know there

593
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,280
things you can't predict especially as

594
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,440
technology changes and stuff like that

595
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,000
but the the idea is to have something

596
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,760
you can be used moving forward well into

597
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,200
the future.

598
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,720
>> Right. And a key key piece of what we

599
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,720
want to talk about with this the uh

600
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,480
potential respondents on the survey too

601
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,679
is understanding uh what happens when

602
00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:55,679
they get to a site and that site is is

603
00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:57,360
overcrowded. They can't they can't park

604
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,039
there. They can't recreate there or they

605
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:00,159
don't want to recreate there. What does

606
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:01,520
that spillover look like? So we

607
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,480
understand kind of what that

608
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,200
displacement pressures are. So, as we

609
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,640
understand displacement pressures at one

610
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,000
site, we understand the potential

611
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,919
spillover to other sites and could be

612
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:15,679
adequately uh prepared for what those look like uh as a recreation area

613
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:19,200
becomes more popular.

614
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,679
>> All right. Thank you. All right. Any

615
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,000
other questions from the commissioners?

616
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,240
All right.

617
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,200
>> Looks like there's someone with their

618
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,080
hand up online.

619
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,320
>> There's someone online.

620
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,799
>> Yeah, this is Commissioner Taylor. Hey,

621
00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:33,280
I'm I'm I'm interested in especially the

622
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,600
Hole in the Rock Road. Tell me again how

623
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,480
you collect this this data. Uh Hole in

624
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,919
the Rock uh road is is home to me. Uh

625
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:44,480
I'm excited about finding this

626
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,559
information and but how do you go about

627
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,159
collecting that? So the way it's it the

628
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:52,400
idea is that each site has some

629
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,159
similarities but also just some

630
00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:56,080
differences based on kind of what the

631
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,760
site is designed like and and Hole in

632
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,400
the Rock Road is a is a unique one where

633
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,840
what we're going to be doing at Hole in

634
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320
the Rock Road is as people are entering

635
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,559
the road starting to kind of get start

636
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,000
their journey is we're going to try to

637
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,400
survey them on site with people on the

638
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,960
ground. Sometimes we will also be

639
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960
roaming to where if people are camping

640
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,799
or they're at trail heads, we'll be able to look for for locations

641
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,960
where people congregate and we'll have

642
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960
tablets or our surveyors will be on

643
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720
ground with tablets in their hand that

644
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,640
have has a survey on it and they'll be

645
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,080
asking them. It's usually like a five to

646
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,720
seven minute survey asking questions uh

647
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,360
while they're on site. But for some

648
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,679
areas, especially the remote areas, we

649
00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:38,799
also may leave QR codes on signs after

650
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,880
the fact that if someone is visiting

651
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,159
there, but we just didn't have someone

652
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,679
on the ground, we can have a sign that

653
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:45,360
says, "Hey, take this survey about your

654
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,200
experience." They can scan it on their

655
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,679
phone and take it. That's we we prefer

656
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:51,279
to have someone on the ground actually

657
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,039
doing the surveys because it, you know,

658
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:54,320
there's only certain types of people

659
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,159
that want to scan something and do it

660
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,320
where a surveyor can talk to anybody.

661
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,840
But that's why kind of we've we've built

662
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,919
these different types of data collection

663
00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:04,320
in is you know what we don't get from

664
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,000
surveys or we can't be on the ground at

665
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,400
all times. We use that cell phone data

666
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
to try to understand patterns across

667
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
seasons and apply that together. So I

668
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,200
think it's for some places it's a it's

669
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
easier to talk to folks who are on the

670
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,080
ground recreating. For others you got to

671
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,520
be a little more creative and we're

672
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,880
trying to kind of take that flexibility

673
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000
into account for for every site.

674
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,120
>> Thank you.

675
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:28,799
>> Okay. Okay. Any anybody else online have

676
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,120
any more questions for him?

677
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,440
All right. Thank you, uh, Jeremy and

678
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,679
Jake. We we appreciate it.

679
00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:37,120
>> Yeah. Thank you all.

680
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,240
>> Yeah.

681
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,320
>> All right. We'll move to our next agenda

682
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760
item. Um, Director Curry, uh, Jason

683
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,039
Curry is going to give us a session

684
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,679
update of the legislative session. Go

685
00:25:49,679 --> 00:26:03,029
ahead, Jason.

686
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,480
set up for something else and we can't

687
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,190
change it. So, um,

688
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,679
thanks Jeremy and Jake. We've got a lot

689
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:14,240
of excitement building for that uh that

690
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,159
study. It will, I think, provide a lot

691
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,240
of clarity and a lot of information for

692
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,640
us as a division in our decision-m uh

693
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,080
but also all of our partners, state

694
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,159
agencies, tourism, state parks, our

695
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,080
federal land managing agencies, national

696
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,320
parks, forest service, county

697
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,080
government, and and everything in

698
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,919
between. Um we hope to have a dashboard

699
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,400
available that will help make um just

700
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,760
build confidence in the decision-making

701
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,240
process, whether that's in funding or in

702
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,159
policym or what have you when it comes

703
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:41,760
to outdoor recreation. So, super excited

704
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,559
about that. Um, so here's a here's a

705
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,799
quick leg. I'm going to emphasize quick

706
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,080
because many of you were following

707
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,520
things and uh certainly if you have any

708
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,240
questions as I gloss over. Um, please

709
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,360
bring those up. Um,

710
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,159
HB12 outdoor recreation accessibility

711
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,320
amendments. That was Representative Doug

712
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,200
Welton. In our current language for

713
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
grants, um, it's pretty limited on the

714
00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:08,559
type of equipment that we could um, have

715
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,880
eligible for for a grant application. So

716
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,200
there is a a definition change where

717
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,520
adaptive equipment that could be

718
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
typically categorized in with other

719
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,520
equipment in an unintended way is now

720
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,360
considered infrastructure. So just like

721
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,880
a wheelchair ramp would be clearly

722
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,360
infrastructure, so is a specialized

723
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,919
access chair considered um as

724
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:30,480
infrastructure when it comes to um grant

725
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,640
applications. So um something we felt

726
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,799
like was really going to help bring

727
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,080
greater access especially for our

728
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,159
adaptive community that rely on on

729
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,159
special tools. Many of them don't have

730
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,600
their own special tools, but in a place

731
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320
like a state park um or or literally

732
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,360
anywhere else that if um if the entity

733
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,600
operating that recreation site wanted to

734
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,679
have adaptive equipment as part of the

735
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:53,760
offerings um they could apply for a

736
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,399
grant and have it be eligible under um

737
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:59,760
the infrastructure definition.

738
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,120
HP30 was kind of a hot topic even uh two

739
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,320
sessions ago when uh we we saw the the

740
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,240
bill that made it so if you wanted to go

741
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,159
onto a wildlife management area in

742
00:28:10,159 --> 00:28:12,159
certain counties uh you had to have a

743
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:14,000
hunting and fishing license. And uh

744
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,279
during the session, it didn't really get

745
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,200
a lot of attention, but after it passed,

746
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,720
uh it really immediately got a lot of

747
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,919
attention, especially once they started

748
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,120
posting people at these um intersections

749
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:24,880
and entrances [clears throat] onto WAS

750
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,559
for trail runners, mountain bikers, and

751
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,320
the Typonus WMA down by um Alpine was

752
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,039
certainly uh high-profile. And then

753
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:34,799
during the interim, there was a a really

754
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,559
good resolution and cooperative effort

755
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,480
between Representative Shallonburgger

756
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,120
and um and others that were interested

757
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,120
including Division of Wildlife Resources

758
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,039
to um [clears throat] to come up with a

759
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,679
process for individuals who maybe they

760
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:49,120
won't ever have a hunting and fishing

761
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,880
license, but a mechanism for them to

762
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,919
both recreate on wildlife management

763
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,240
areas, but also to uh to contribute

764
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,360
monetarily. And um so I think it turned

765
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,880
out really good. We're we're excited to

766
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,039
be able to, you know, help solve a

767
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,919
problem and um continue to to be able to

768
00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:08,480
recreate on WAS, especially because they

769
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,600
plan to roll out um more WAS that are limited in this way. But um

770
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,799
overall, I think it's going to it's

771
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,120
going to work well. HB54 voting

772
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,200
amendments. This is one a little bit

773
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,720
similar to back in 2023 um when we

774
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
implemented our our uh off highway

775
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,960
vehicle adult education course. This is

776
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,799
going to be a boating um education

777
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,760
course. And just like um HB 180, which

778
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720
was the OV adult ed course, it was

779
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,960
driven by the community, OV advocates

780
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,799
and writers were the ones that that

781
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,320
pushed for this, wanted this, helped

782
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,960
craft it. And it's the same thing. Um

783
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,240
it's not something necessarily that the

784
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,880
division was was trying to push, but um

785
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,240
members of the community and the voting

786
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,799
community came before interim and um it

787
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,440
was an interim study item. then um

788
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600
evolved into a committee bill and now we

789
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,480
have HB54 which is going to require in

790
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,200
order for any adult to operate a boat or

791
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,279
actually any any eligible or or legal

792
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,600
boat operator would have to obtain a a

793
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,679
certification that they uh know the

794
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:09,840
basics kind of the rules of the water so

795
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,760
to speak when it comes to rideway speed

796
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,480
and proximity what the buoys mean um

797
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960
from a public safety standpoint

798
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,039
um HB381 that one was pretty high

799
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,240
profile with uh ebike law and

800
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840
Representative Cutler um clarifying some

801
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,760
definitions and further refining

802
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,520
definitions on what types of ebikes are um allowed in certain areas,

803
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
especially in in city. Doesn't have a

804
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,960
lot to do with natural surface trails

805
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,520
that we primarily deal with, but um a

806
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520
lot of communities and law enforcement

807
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,120
have been dealing with significant

808
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,880
problems when it comes to young people

809
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,640
on electric devices. And that's

810
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,200
everything from your class one ebike,

811
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,120
which is fairly low profile, all the way

812
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:56,480
up to and including um major powerful u

813
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,880
electric motorcycles like the surons and

814
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,200
things like that that um been in the

815
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,880
news a lot and unfortunately caused some

816
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,399
injuries and some harm. So, he did it in

817
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,279
a way I think that was really good to um

818
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:08,720
not discourage their use and not

819
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,799
discourage kids from being on equipment

820
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,640
like that, but um to provide a little

821
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,600
bit of structure and a little bit of

822
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,760
safety and kind of along the lines of

823
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,520
the boating safety education to provide

824
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,679
some education for those younger riders

825
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,320
who are allowed to ride an ebike um out

826
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,039
there in in traffic, but require them to

827
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:26,399
take a training so that they know kind

828
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:27,679
of the rules of the road and we don't

829
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,320
have uh unfortunate accidents like we've

830
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,720
had so far. Um, that's Yeah, it's been

831
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,159
interesting. I've heard a lot of good

832
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:39,440
feedback from from cities.

833
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,360
Um, let's see.

834
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,640
>> Jason, can I ask you a question about

835
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,120
that one?

836
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,840
>> Yeah,

837
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,399
>> sure.

838
00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:46,159
>> So, I I believe that one goes into

839
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:52,000
effect on May 6th and there's a training component part of it

840
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,960
and I think your office will be crafting

841
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,159
that training.

842
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:57,519
>> Well, uh, the training will be crafted

843
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,120
by the Department of Public Safety. We

844
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,720
are helping them since um we kind of had

845
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,480
experience with HB180 and the the

846
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,240
offhighway vehicle training. We're

847
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,600
consulting and helping the Department of

848
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,440
Public Safety as they are the ones

849
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,200
that'll be administering it. Good

850
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,000
question.

851
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,480
>> I think that one has a

852
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,080
is going to need to have a really great

853
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,519
nexus between in particular

854
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:23,760
um cities and the state. Um, with our

855
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,880
early early early spring this year,

856
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,480
we've seen just a tremendous rise of all

857
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,799
kinds of ebike and e- motorcycle usage

858
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,080
in our city. And um, I almost wish this

859
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,360
bill had an earlier effective date

860
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
because we could have used it two months

861
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,640
ago. But, um, I think we're going to

862
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,200
need help with a coordinated plan to

863
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,640
push the training and things like that

864
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,120
out to to parents or kids that are, um,

865
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,880
you know, getting some type of a a

866
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,799
warning because they haven't completed

867
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,399
it or they're not wearing a helmet or

868
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:01,200
different things in making sure we have

869
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,640
good connection on pointing people back

870
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,960
to the training. So, to the extent that

871
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,480
the League of Cities and Towns could be

872
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,799
helpful in setting that out or cities

873
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,880
can be setting it out, um

874
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,320
>> I know that um I talked to

875
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,840
Representative Cutler a couple of weeks

876
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
ago about HB381 and implementation. I

877
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,760
know he's he's gotten a lot of

878
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,960
communication from cities and um from um

879
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,640
rental groups, people that rent ebikes

880
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,559
and e- motorcycles. He's got a lot of a

881
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,519
lot of good input going. Um, so I'm I'm

882
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,039
pretty confident in the process we'll

883
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,440
will involve some heavy consultation

884
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200
from from local government, cities and

885
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,399
towns.

886
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:35,120
>> Thank you.

887
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,960
>> If not, let me know. I'll put the word

888
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960
in.

889
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,029
Uh, let's see.

890
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:44,559
I'm not going to go over that one. And

891
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:46,880
then HB567,

892
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,039
um, outer recreation infrastructure

893
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,919
grant program. has just opened again

894
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,919
broadened another definition of

895
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,640
infrastructure to include uh something

896
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,039
along the lines of of algae bloom

897
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,200
treatments in recreation areas. So if an

898
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,720
algae bloom treatment is um causing it

899
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,399
so that people can't recreate in an area

900
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:09,520
then um the grant and the fund the

901
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,280
infrastructure or the adventure fund

902
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,720
could potentially um fund a project like

903
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:18,079
that. So there was a there was an RFA

904
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:21,040
that funded a couple of algae mitigation

905
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,760
projects, one in at Willard and one at

906
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,480
Manowway.

907
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:34,470
Um let's see.

908
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359
There's a little bit more on this.

909
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:38,480
Full transparency, this is the first

910
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,599
time I've seen these slides. I tried to

911
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,200
pull them up several times today and

912
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,879
could not get it to work.

913
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:47,750
Um,

914
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,200
this will be available obviously to you

915
00:34:49,200 --> 00:35:01,990
in the meeting materials.

916
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:11,990
Is this next? Okay.

917
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,230
basically.

918
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,359
» Sorry. Um, thanks Carly. Um my

919
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:22,720
understanding from 381 is essentially

920
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,640
as of tomorrow or Wednesday, sorry, uh

921
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,480
May 6 that no individual under the age

922
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,960
of 15 can ride outside of their parents

923
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,240
line of sight

924
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,079
>> unless they have

925
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,079
>> until the unless they have a training

926
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,760
which hasn't been developed yet.

927
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,640
>> Correct.

928
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,200
>> Okay.

929
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,320
>> Yep.

930
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,760
Um because I know my local police

931
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,079
department has been out letting people

932
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:55,200
know in a very friendly way that they

933
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,200
will be less friendly on Thursday.

934
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,599
>> Okay, [laughter] that's a good thing.

935
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,320
But I think there will be a process like

936
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,119
a knowledge 15 and under is essentially

937
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,040
illegal without a parent starting

938
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:07,599
Wednesday.

939
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:09,040
>> So starting Wednesday, we won't see any

940
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,320
of those kids on there.

941
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,599
>> No. No.

942
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:13,520
>> No. I saw two of them this morning on my

943
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,079
way into the office. Um I was cussing at

944
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:17,680
them under my breath and then realized,

945
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,079
oh, I know that one. I'm gonna talk to

946
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,680
his dad when I get back in contact.

947
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,680
>> Hey, just just clarifying question.

948
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,400
That's any vehicle over 20 miles an

949
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,760
hour. Is that correct?

950
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,760
>> Um now we're getting into details that I

951
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,560
>> electric.

952
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,400
>> Going to have to consult actual text on

953
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,359
>> unassisted. I I un non- pedal assisted I

954
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:36,000
think.

955
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,520
>> Um so yes, anything because there's a

956
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,079
different class of ebikes. Um, the

957
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,760
lowest class is pedal assist up to 20

958
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,760
miles an hour.

959
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,359
Um,

960
00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:50,960
and then it goes up from there. And

961
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,839
there is a power rating as well,

962
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:57,040
>> which has is getting quickly outdated

963
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,280
based on the size of the motors that are

964
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,320
coming in these.

965
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,480
>> I can give you a some bullet points on

966
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,079
that one if you want. Representative

967
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,400
Cutler sent those to me the other day.

968
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,119
He's the author of the bill. says it

969
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:10,800
directs the Department of Public Safety

970
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,720
to develop an online personal electric

971
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,560
vehicle safety education and training

972
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,839
program ages 8 to 15. It allows

973
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,480
independent use of any ebike class on

974
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,240
public roads with a DPS safety

975
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,280
certificate or supervised use without a

976
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:31,440
certificate. So, um, age 16 or older,

977
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,520
uh, and older, allows ebike use on

978
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,520
public roads with no safety certif

979
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,599
certificate, supervision, or driver's

980
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,839
license required.

981
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:42,400
Uh, establishes a helmet requirement for

982
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
ebike and e scooter riders under 21 when

983
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,640
riding on public roads, not paths. Does

984
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,000
not apply to ride share. Fines for not

985
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,640
wearing a helmet are capped at $25 per

986
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,599
violation. and it clarifies distinctions

987
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,160
between ebikes, high power electric

988
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,880
devices, and e motorcycles. It updates

989
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,200
marketing and labeling rules for these

990
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,760
devices and provides clear enforcement

991
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,839
authority.

992
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:11,440
It's kind of kind of an overview on

993
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440
there.

994
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,760
>> Yeah. And it's extremely nuanced.

995
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,680
There's a lot of small details including

996
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,839
the types of of

997
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,000
ebikes that you can actually change from

998
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,320
class one to two to three with just the

999
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,160
settings. Um it's it's probably going to

1000
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,280
be much the same as it has been in the

1001
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,400
past. Law enforcement is going to be

1002
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,280
doing their best, but um the uh the

1003
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,960
effective date on the delivery for the course isn't until May 5th of 2027.

1004
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,440
So um

1005
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,839
again, it's not not a recreation

1006
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:45,280
centered bill. It's highly

1007
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,560
transportation oriented and public

1008
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,920
safety oriented. We're we're helping

1009
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,280
consult on it. Um but yeah, as long as

1010
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,040
they're on the sidewalk, I think they're

1011
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,160
probably going to be okay. But once they

1012
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,160
get it out into the street, different

1013
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,599
cities and towns are going to probably

1014
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,480
have a tough time over the next 9 to 12

1015
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,589
months.

1016
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,680
Okay. Any questions?

1017
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
>> I I have one quick one just back to the

1018
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,440
OV and vote safety course. Once you pass

1019
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,680
those, what's the expiration or how

1020
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,520
often do you have to redo that?

1021
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,400
>> Um, good question. So,

1022
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,040
we asked for similar to how OV the OBV

1023
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,280
adult education course is once in a

1024
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,760
lifetime, which we thought made sense,

1025
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,520
but that is not how this bill turned

1026
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400
out. It is every year it has to be done

1027
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,119
again. But the the commitment is that it

1028
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,359
will be made in a way that can basically

1029
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,920
be tested out of. So, should be fairly

1030
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,560
minimal in terms of the time needed to

1031
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,760
basically clap out of your training.

1032
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,440
>> Yeah. A little update on that as well.

1033
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000
From what I remember of the bill, um,

1034
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,640
Representative uh Mike Peterson ran ran

1035
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,119
that bill and he's a voter and he hated

1036
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:54,960
doing spending all the time doing all

1037
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,560
the the muscle certification every year

1038
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,000
and everything. He didn't want to add to

1039
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560
it. So the compromise was to do be able

1040
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,359
to do all of those together in I think

1041
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,359
under or at that same time. So it

1042
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,359
wouldn't add more time to to the

1043
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:10,160
certification. So it it's just putting

1044
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,599
more information, the need to know

1045
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,680
information inside that that one

1046
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,280
training that they are already required

1047
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,800
to do anyway.

1048
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:21,109
>> Yeah.

1049
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,040
All right. Any other questions on the

1050
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,040
bills?

1051
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,040
It was a good session, but um glad it's

1052
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,160
over. I haven't thought about it in a

1053
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,270
while, which is good.

1054
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,880
» It is good to be over some of that

1055
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,480
sometimes.

1056
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,960
All right. Um, we'll move uh to our next

1057
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,880
item on the agenda, agenda item number

1058
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,280
five. We're going to have our uh

1059
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Division of Outdoor Recreation staff uh

1060
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,160
do some presentations. We've got uh

1061
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Patrick Morrison will will be up first.

1062
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,280
>> Great.

1063
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,760
>> Thank you, Chair. Um well, first off,

1064
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,280
thank you. uh you know we finished

1065
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,800
legislative session which for us means

1066
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,720
it's outdoor recre initiative season

1067
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,800
session if you will um so I think I just

1068
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,720
kind of wanted to walk you through uh

1069
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:03,920
just a little bit about uh kind of

1070
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,599
recapping last year some lessons learned

1071
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:07,040
and then kind of what we're planning for

1072
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,349
this year um am I in control slides here

1073
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,599
oh

1074
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:16,720
I think it's my first time using one of

1075
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,280
these so um I guess going back um you

1076
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,560
know this commission the first thing we

1077
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,240
really did as part of this commission

1078
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,040
was the outdoor recreation strategic

1079
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,040
plan. Um, and so that is still just the

1080
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,240
guiding force behind the outdoor

1081
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,920
recreation initiative. Um, you know, the

1082
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,000
mission is to deliver Utah's strategic

1083
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,599
outdoor recreation plan. Um, and you

1084
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:34,720
know, I think we're all pretty familiar

1085
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,079
with this, but uh, some of the steps

1086
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,040
we're going to take this year, I think,

1087
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,280
are going to fold much more aggressively

1088
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,319
into some of the things that we're

1089
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:41,680
talking about within the strategic plan

1090
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,480
that I'm very excited about. Um, just

1091
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240
looking at last year, if you remember,

1092
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,000
uh, we had 51 project submissions

1093
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960
across, uh, five regions. Uh, we had $55

1094
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,200
million in requests. Um you can just see

1095
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,720
some of the project types and and how

1096
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,599
those requests shook out by region. Um

1097
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,359
in the end, I don't expect you all to be

1098
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:00,640
able to read this. I just kind of wanted

1099
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,000
to show you, but just to kind of break

1100
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,079
it out. Um you know, we did get to split

1101
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,160
the funding out pretty well. Um in the

1102
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,400
end, you know, we saw WASA front with uh

1103
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960
4.9, Southwest with 3.5, the central

1104
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,359
region with four, Eastern with three,

1105
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:15,200
Northern with 2.6. Um and then we had

1106
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680
the DO priority request uh for 2.6

1107
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,040
million. Um I think it was a really

1108
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,240
successful year. Uh we definitely

1109
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,440
learned a lot of lessons coming out of

1110
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,280
it. Um, but there was a lot to really

1111
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,119
celebrate and that's kind of some of the

1112
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:26,640
stuff I just wanted to talk about as we

1113
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,560
look at

1114
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
this next.

1115
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,640
I keep wanting to do this in time with

1116
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,910
the clicks, but

1117
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,520
there we go. Okay, so this is some of

1118
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,040
the stuff I wanted to look at. So, the

1119
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,160
successes clearly um $21 million awarded

1120
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,240
to 38 projects. A huge success. And so,

1121
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,599
let me just say thank you to this

1122
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,280
commission for supporting this program,

1123
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,680
for your engagement with it. Um we have

1124
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:52,880
uh Commissioner Winfield. You'll hear

1125
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,160
from a little bit, but he was also a

1126
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,680
ranking member in the eastern region. So

1127
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:56,720
maybe just a thank you to the

1128
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,040
commissioner's time during that. Um but

1129
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,720
it was a really really great year. You

1130
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,480
know, we're starting to see a lot of uh

1131
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,920
you know, projects starting to wrap up.

1132
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000
Um just just really a lot of excitement

1133
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,839
for this. Uh one thing that we are

1134
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:09,359
coming out of it is trying to build our

1135
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:11,040
capacity. We've been able to identify a

1136
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,880
lot of capacity issues with some of our

1137
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,160
partners. Um you know, a lot of the

1138
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,000
federal partners. Um we're working to do

1139
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,359
project management here. You know, we're

1140
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:19,440
running a few design engineerings. We're

1141
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,960
helping with some NEPA. You're going to

1142
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,400
hear about a lot of the work Karly is

1143
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,079
doing with Northwash here in a moment.

1144
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,000
Um just it's really impressive what we

1145
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,359
can do and as we are staffing up to kind

1146
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:29,200
of meet some of these capacity needs. Um

1147
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,800
and then we're initiating the long range

1148
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,560
planning efforts. Um so this is

1149
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,000
something that you know this is a big

1150
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,839
investment from the legislature into

1151
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,119
outdoor recreation. We want to make sure

1152
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,960
we're being very strategic and as part

1153
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,560
of that is laying the groundwork for

1154
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,319
long range plans. uh some of the

1155
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:44,480
challenges that we saw last year uh we

1156
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,520
had uh monthly meetings um for two hours

1157
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,520
from essentially June through October. I think some of those meetings were

1158
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,720
really really great. We did get a lot of

1159
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,240
good engagement. However, agenda

1160
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,400
building all that time um the virtual

1161
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,079
meetings there was kind of inconsistent

1162
00:43:58,079 --> 00:43:59,280
engagement. You know, you always know

1163
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,680
when somebody is uh mic is off, camera

1164
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,200
is off, you're just like are they there?

1165
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,880
You know, and I was actually pretty

1166
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,160
impressed with the amount of engagement,

1167
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:07,520
how many people did come to all of them,

1168
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,880
particularly from our electeds who were

1169
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,000
part of the ranking. I think they took

1170
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,079
it very very seriously. Um, but I do

1171
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,160
feel that we miss some of that more kind

1172
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,839
of holistic in-person like um kind of

1173
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:19,359
network building, trust building, some

1174
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,520
of that stuff that that we got. Um, we

1175
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,359
did see not every county was represented

1176
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:25,520
on some of these councils. Um, and then,

1177
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,480
you know, we have people kind of

1178
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,240
applying to wrong programs often. You

1179
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,720
know, people would uh apply for maybe a

1180
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,160
standard like park project, you know,

1181
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,280
something that wasn't necessarily in

1182
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,640
line. And so we we learned a good amount

1183
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
about like how we communicate, what are

1184
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,160
our goals, and then how is kind of the

1185
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,280
structure in which we're running this

1186
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,520
program serving our goals. And so some

1187
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,880
of the opportunities that we're going to

1188
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,680
look at um this upcoming year, um we get

1189
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,119
greater attendance, uh greater

1190
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:48,319
connection through these in-person

1191
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:49,920
meetings. Um want to shout out Tyler

1192
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,359
Thompson from the Watershed Restoration

1193
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:53,200
Initiative. I pretty much meet with him,

1194
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,640
uh once a year just to kind of debrief

1195
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,319
the year. Um as we know, wershed

1196
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,240
restoration initiative, a long-standing

1197
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,319
program. uh it's spoken with uh just so

1198
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:01,680
much respect when people talk about that

1199
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,880
program and that's kind of one of the

1200
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,000
goals of what this program is going to

1201
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,079
be. I really want people to speak about

1202
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,359
it how people are currently speaking

1203
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,480
about the program. Um but we also want

1204
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,720
to figure out opportunities to connect

1205
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,800
uh not only the ranking council members

1206
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,319
you commissioners with some of where the

1207
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:17,599
money is actually going on the ground.

1208
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,440
Uh we want to hold more meetings that

1209
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,079
involve site visits. Um and then as we

1210
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,119
are starting to develop some of the

1211
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,440
longrange plans uh we want them to be

1212
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,720
integrated into what are the regional

1213
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,319
priorities. um we don't know what the

1214
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:29,440
regional priorities are because we want

1215
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:30,560
to work with the regions so they can

1216
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,480
help to help us you know ascertain what

1217
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,480
are those priorities um and then we'll

1218
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,280
also look for better opportunities to um

1219
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,119
create more project management capacity

1220
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:40,960
so you know we're looking to hire a

1221
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,040
specific role to manage some of these

1222
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,640
projects um through this program through

1223
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,480
some of the other work we're doing so I really have a lot of excitement for

1224
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,880
this this next year um so this is kind

1225
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,560
of what we're going to run the OI

1226
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,800
program as um you know our our forecasts

1227
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,640
we we met with our finance director um

1228
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,720
seemed pretty pretty flat in a good way.

1229
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,480
You know, we're looking around 21 to 22

1230
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,920
million available for this program next

1231
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,680
year. Uh that's, you know, consistent

1232
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:04,720
with what what we've had the past two

1233
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,640
years. So, meeting structure is

1234
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,760
changing. Uh we're going to try to

1235
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,599
respond to just some of the challenges

1236
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,280
that we saw. So, one, we're going to get

1237
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,880
rid of monthly virtual meetings and

1238
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,800
we're going to pivot to uh in-person

1239
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,000
meetings. So what we're really looking

1240
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,560
to do is have one meeting at the start

1241
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,720
of the year uh essentially like a fiveh

1242
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,200
hour meeting to do a lot of like on the

1243
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,680
ground regional visioning workshop um

1244
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,560
but to identify what are the regional

1245
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,400
annual funding priorities you know we

1246
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,920
want them to be able to help us um and

1247
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,119
then we're going to spend kind of that

1248
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,520
season working to solicit projects that

1249
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,480
are working with some of those

1250
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,440
priorities you know I don't think it's

1251
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,400
going to be one it's not going to just

1252
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,680
be like camping but you know hopefully

1253
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,280
we'll have a few options of like this is

1254
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,119
really what the region's looking um you

1255
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:44,480
know before that of course we'll bring

1256
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,880
in our ranking councils um to you know

1257
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,400
just kind of get them prepared for that.

1258
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,400
Um but we are looking to do a site

1259
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,440
visit. This is going to be an optional

1260
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,960
one um but one where we can bring

1261
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,240
everyone together kind of look at a

1262
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,520
program in action. You know I keep

1263
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:56,720
looking at the the work that's being

1264
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,640
done in Wayne County with the the Beats

1265
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Lewis and the Meeks Mesa two big OI

1266
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,160
projects real close. I think it'd be

1267
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,640
really great to get a lot of our members

1268
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,240
um within this program with the

1269
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:07,680
commissioners out to there hear from the

1270
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,440
project partners just just get those

1271
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,359
opportunities there. Um, and then we'll

1272
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:12,560
kind of come back for the end of the

1273
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,079
year, which will be another in-person

1274
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,040
meeting. Um, and again to to quote Tyler

1275
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Thompson from the WR, he's like, if you

1276
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,960
want people to come, give them food, you

1277
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,240
know. So, we'll also we'll also be

1278
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,599
giving people food uh while we're doing

1279
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,440
this. But we'll do that um that big kind

1280
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,079
of like, you know, 5 hour, 4 hour

1281
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,839
ranking meeting uh where we can actually

1282
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:31,200
give a little bit more voice to our

1283
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,480
general counsels for some of those

1284
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,240
priority or I guess preliminary

1285
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,680
rankings. I want to make sure they have

1286
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,599
a good voice. Um, but ultimately rest

1287
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:38,640
some of that authority within our

1288
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:39,920
ranking councils before it's brought to

1289
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,200
you as recommendations for your

1290
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,359
approval. Um, and then yeah, that's

1291
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:44,720
going to be our our last meeting of that

1292
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,200
one. And so I think this is what the

1293
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,640
calendar is going to look like. Uh,

1294
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,480
those those first kind of ranking

1295
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,480
priority determining meetings are going

1296
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,400
to be in June. Uh, midsummer we'll do

1297
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,079
that site visit. I would love any and

1298
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,839
all of you to join us for those. October

1299
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,359
is when we'll do that final ranking

1300
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:00,880
meeting. Um, and then we'll come back to

1301
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,560
you in November. I guess November 16th,

1302
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,240
2026 for that project approval. Um,

1303
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,319
shout out to Morgan. She's done a great

1304
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:09,680
job of helping us get some of these

1305
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,599
locations. So, we do have the schedule.

1306
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,480
Uh, we have places reserved. Um, and,

1307
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,920
uh, just really, really excited to kind

1308
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,839
of use some of the awesome skills we

1309
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,680
have on staff with facilitating with

1310
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,800
kind of leading some of these workshops.

1311
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,880
I think learning from the two-year

1312
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,480
process of developing that strategic

1313
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,079
plan is going to be just a great kind of

1314
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:29,680
information bank for how we go out to

1315
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,040
these communities and try to do some of

1316
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,240
this visioning. But, you know, the goal

1317
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:33,920
being regions are going to determine

1318
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,960
their priorities. We're going to help

1319
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,720
them find those projects um and they're

1320
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,200
going to help to recommend those uh for

1321
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:44,309
your approval.

1322
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,559
» Oh, June 16th

1323
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,040
right here.

1324
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,200
Um, and I think that's it for my slides,

1325
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,800
but I'm happy to take any questions on

1326
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,319
anything I presented before I turn it

1327
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:58,390
over to Emily.

1328
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,079
Okay, excellent. Well, again, just thank

1329
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,520
you. Uh, you know, this program doesn't

1330
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,599
exist without your support. Um, it's

1331
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:04,720
really a highlight so far of my

1332
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,640
professional career, so I'll keep doing

1333
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,000
my best and I hope we keep having your

1334
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,280
support. And, uh, welcome to you,

1335
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,599
Commissioner Jensen.

1336
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:20,630
>> Thank you, Patrick.

1337
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,880
Hi everyone. Thanks for letting us give

1338
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,040
a little brief or uh update about the

1339
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,760
outdirect planning assistance or ORPA

1340
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,640
program. Um again, this is a reminder

1341
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,480
and just kind of refresh of this

1342
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
program. Um you allocated

1343
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,160
um 2.5 million this past year to

1344
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,760
increase the funding for this. This

1345
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,920
program really aims to increase planning

1346
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,920
capacity, recreation planning capacity

1347
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,640
at the local level. through awarding

1348
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,880
funds, which then the communities go and

1349
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,440
um hire consulting services to, you

1350
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,079
know, kind of offload their plates.

1351
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,079
Sometimes I get people who are city

1352
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,319
recorders or administrative assistants.

1353
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,160
You know, they're not planners by trade,

1354
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:03,440
but this program has

1355
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,280
>> Emily, will you introduce yourself and

1356
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,119
your name and and and what you do?

1357
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:07,760
>> Sure.

1358
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,119
>> Thank you. That I think that'll help.

1359
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:10,800
>> Yeah. I'm Emily Meadows. I'm with the

1360
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,079
Division of Outdoor Recreation. and I'm

1361
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,319
the outdoor wreck planning statewide

1362
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:18,000
planner. So again, this historically you

1363
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,559
can see here 2023 and 24 this program

1364
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,040
was really just internal staff trying to

1365
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
go out and help communities at the local

1366
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,720
level. In 25 we got um 1.5 million

1367
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,440
allocated and we created a grant program

1368
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,160
for it. So again um that was a huge

1369
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,000
success. I'll kind of just

1370
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,240
go to this slide to show just the recap

1371
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,800
from last year. Um there was over 43

1372
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,119
applications that were submitted um

1373
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,160
totaling 4.5 million in requests. And so

1374
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,000
again, we awarded 21 um of those and 1.5

1375
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,559
million um spread throughout the state.

1376
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,720
And um this last picture is just uh you

1377
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,400
know the planning in action. This is up

1378
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,480
in Rich County. They're doing a trails

1379
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,800
master plan. and I've been able to, you

1380
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,599
know, go to these public events, um, and

1381
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,359
community engagement efforts that

1382
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:10,960
they're really doing and putting the

1383
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,040
dollars on the ground, which is cool.

1384
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,559
Um, another way we're doing building

1385
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,200
these resources with that 2.5 million,

1386
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,760
um, we're in the process of creating a

1387
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,160
trails planning and design handbook,

1388
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,640
which, um, we've went through the RFP

1389
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,160
process and were able to select a

1390
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,800
vendor. So, we'll be working with um SE

1391
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Group moving forward to create that

1392
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,800
resource for statewide community

1393
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,990
partners.

1394
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,200
Um any questions about ORPA? It's

1395
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,839
currently open right now and so I think

1396
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,160
last I it'll close in a couple weeks in

1397
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,880
May 15th, but last I checked there were

1398
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,319
60 applications in draft.

1399
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:56,000
>> On this it shows uh 1.5 million was paid

1400
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,440
out. And you probably said this, I

1401
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:58,880
missed it. I hurry and had to take a

1402
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,960
picture and SC read it.

1403
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,599
>> Um, and so is there was there a million

1404
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,520
dollars left over on this planning last

1405
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,079
year?

1406
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,880
>> So last year we just had 1.5 million and

1407
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,599
then we were able to increase it to 2.5

1408
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:12,960
for this year.

1409
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,920
>> Yeah, great question.

1410
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,400
>> As I'm looking to to see little rural

1411
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,960
counts in in southern Utah, central

1412
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Utah, eastern Utah, it looked like it

1413
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,079
was quite a diverse uh dispersement of

1414
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,480
money. Yeah, I think the really the cool

1415
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,559
part about this program, it it really is

1416
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,960
enabling and empowering those really

1417
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,440
small, typically rural communities that

1418
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,079
they've never even thought or dreamed of

1419
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:40,000
doing recreation planning. This really

1420
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,640
has enabled them to pursue it and think

1421
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,559
about how it can help give them that

1422
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,800
roadmap to then be more competitive in

1423
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,119
our other infrastructure grants, which

1424
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,200
is really exciting.

1425
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,720
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, if I could share for

1426
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:54,720
our our newest commissioner, I had the

1427
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,680
opportunity to serve as um one of the

1428
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,480
evaluators for uh this particular grant.

1429
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,079
Last year and um I think it's

1430
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,079
particularly valuable in helping tea up

1431
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,559
the types of applications you you would

1432
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,440
then see later as a grant or an ORI

1433
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,520
grant. um communities kind of can't get

1434
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,200
to the approvals that they might need

1435
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,119
from a NEPA application or something

1436
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,880
else if they can't show a a master plan

1437
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200
or a feasibility study or those types of

1438
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,559
things. And so, um there's obviously

1439
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,640
challenges in in small rural

1440
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,480
communities. There's challenges in small

1441
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:35,760
urban communities that have small

1442
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,599
professional staffs that that don't

1443
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,359
always do this type of thing. And so I I

1444
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:41,520
thought it was very meaningful and was

1445
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,599
happy to advocate when we brought this

1446
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,079
back to add additional money uh last

1447
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,520
year that that this program will then

1448
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,839
ensure that the applications we see in

1449
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:55,119
other processes for bigger grants are

1450
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:56,800
shovel ready and ready to go and

1451
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,640
communities won't feel frustrated that

1452
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,319
they're

1453
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,480
denied a a grant in one of those bigger

1454
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,280
programs for lack of being

1455
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,440
as as you know tight and ready as they

1456
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,280
need to be when they apply.

1457
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,870
Thank you,

1458
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:13,760
» Josh.

1459
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,000
>> Thank you. Um, to follow up on what

1460
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Commissioner Bradshaw was saying, is

1461
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,200
there an opportunity to identify

1462
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,680
projects that went through the ORPA

1463
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,160
program in future grant applications

1464
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,880
that having gone through this process

1465
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,680
just gives me a higher level of

1466
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,200
confidence

1467
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,040
that the scope and estimate are

1468
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,800
better vetted I will say rather than

1469
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,760
less vetted and therefore more likely to

1470
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,240
come to fruition on the current time and

1471
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,240
schedule. It's just

1472
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,359
an idea for the grant applications for

1473
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,119
those who are evaluating.

1474
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,640
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

1475
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,200
>> And I will speak to you. We I believe we

1476
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,319
did include a question um have did you

1477
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:04,559
apply to ORPA and receive ORPA services?

1478
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,160
And so they were able to check yes or

1479
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,480
no. So we are trying to track that and

1480
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,880
see do they go through ORPA then are

1481
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,599
they awarded Uorg and then you know the

1482
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:17,680
completion. So yeah,

1483
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,960
great. Um, looking forward, um, I'll

1484
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,400
touch on the regional long range

1485
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,559
planning and provide a brief update.

1486
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,280
Again, um, as we mentioned a couple

1487
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,960
times, the division's really trying to

1488
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,079
develop a 10-year out 10 to 15 year

1489
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:36,079
strategy to really provide regional long

1490
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,000
range recreation planning throughout the

1491
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,800
entire state. giving them that roadmap.

1492
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,760
Again, that's locally led and also

1493
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,559
regionally vetted so that when they come

1494
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,880
with projects, we can refer back to the

1495
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,359
regional long range plan and say, "These

1496
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:53,280
are the priorities we identified in this

1497
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,359
plan. Does this align with the the

1498
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,839
plan?" Yes or no. It's an easy way to

1499
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:00,000
kind of gut check. Um so, we've been

1500
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,319
doing the central region plan as our

1501
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:05,680
pilot region. Um it's been an amazing um

1502
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,119
effort.

1503
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,280
Um this is kind of we've been working

1504
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,920
with SE group as our consultants um to

1505
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,760
support us and really the role of the

1506
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,119
plan is again to identify developing

1507
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:20,000
regionally significant projects um and

1508
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,920
then you know we've trying to figure out

1509
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,040
how that fits into our existing ranking

1510
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,200
um process with ORI and then you know

1511
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,839
going forward we're kind of in that in

1512
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:34,400
between of as we develop we're also

1513
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,880
continuing OI as an annual

1514
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,760
um program. So, we're learning as we go

1515
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,200
and trying to develop something that

1516
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,280
makes sense. But any this is what

1517
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,440
included for the the central region

1518
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,720
plan. We had a survey out for about two

1519
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:51,520
months and received over 1500 responses

1520
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,280
both from residents within the central

1521
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,559
region as well as visitors. um our

1522
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,400
consultants as well as some of our team

1523
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,400
conducted a week-long site visit

1524
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,559
visiting each county and meeting with

1525
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,240
you know public land managers, some

1526
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,359
local community um stakeholders um and

1527
00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:09,680
just getting a sense of you know what is

1528
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,200
on the ground. Um you know they also are

1529
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,520
bringing a lot of data to this plan

1530
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,400
including um just that regional asset

1531
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,640
inventory and then outdoor recreation

1532
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,760
business inventory. And then we each we

1533
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,839
conducted six countybased stakeholder

1534
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,680
meetings. So with each of the counties,

1535
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,000
we brought all the stakeholders that as

1536
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,480
much as we could diversify, you know,

1537
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,559
representing each of the counties, all

1538
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,559
the different land management agencies,

1539
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,160
all of the different types of

1540
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,119
recreators, business owners, tourism

1541
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,040
folks. So it was really a robust um

1542
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,480
initial phase of a community engagement.

1543
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,760
And then from that,

1544
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,160
now my clicker is not pro. Can you go to

1545
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,200
Thanks. Um, we have a project website

1546
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,359
that you can refer to and um, the

1547
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,920
handout we provided is kind of the the

1548
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,480
key takeaways from that survey. Um, it

1549
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,920
was really interesting to just see the

1550
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,400
differences between what residents were

1551
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,559
experiencing versus what visitors I

1552
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,000
guess it's not that surprising because

1553
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
most of the visitors go to Capitol Reef.

1554
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,839
most of the residents avoid Capitol

1555
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,720
Reef. Um but along with that, we they're

1556
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,799
creating these um county profiles that

1557
00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:26,400
really highlight, you know, those

1558
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,240
recreation assets, what the businesses

1559
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,319
are, what the communities are saying.

1560
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:32,400
So, we have county profiles for each of

1561
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,119
the counties. And then we also are

1562
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,599
developing these types of maps just to

1563
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,319
again highlight those kind of highlevel

1564
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,599
recreation assets within the region.

1565
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:45,599
Um,

1566
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,359
I guess I'm going to go backwards here

1567
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:49,839
now, but just to give an idea, last year

1568
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:52,400
we were able to secure funding for our

1569
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,400
northern region as well as the south

1570
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,079
southwest region. And so we'll be

1571
00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:58,319
kicking those two long range regional

1572
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:02,480
plans off this year. um and hopes to

1573
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
again secure funding if and if the

1574
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,640
regions in eastern and front get just as

1575
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,520
excited seeing this as an opportunity to

1576
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,240
we'll secure funding for them and then

1577
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,799
hopefully have the entire state planned

1578
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,359
um or have regional recreation plans for

1579
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:23,680
the entire state in by 2028.

1580
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:29,510
Any questions about that?

1581
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,559
Thank you, Emily.

1582
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:31,599
>> Yeah,

1583
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:32,960
>> appreciate it. Or does anybody on the

1584
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,400
commission have any any questions for

1585
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,920
Emily? Any online?

1586
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,680
>> All right. Thank you. We'll uh go to

1587
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:51,589
Carly now.

1588
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:53,440
Hi everybody. My name is Karly Lanch.

1589
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,720
I'm the trails and planning program

1590
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,000
director with the Utah Division of

1591
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,480
Outdoor Recreation. I've been um working

1592
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,240
to support this commission for the last

1593
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,400
almost four years and it is such a

1594
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,559
wonderful um time to come to these

1595
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:05,920
meetings and kind of use them as a

1596
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,760
reflection point as to where we were

1597
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,359
just three years ago, four years ago

1598
01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,520
when we became a newer division with our

1599
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,520
strategic plan. And now we're we're

1600
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,839
doing things that are somewhat uh

1601
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:17,839
revolutionary if I might be so bold as

1602
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:19,760
to say that. and and uh really helped

1603
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,359
lead the way as the state of Utah with

1604
01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:23,040
the first former office of outdoor

1605
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,119
wreck. Um so yeah, I just wanted to give

1606
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:29,520
a shout out to my colleagues as well for helping us push the needle in um

1607
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,760
outdoor recreation in Utah. Um I am now

1608
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,839
going to talk about uh an exciting

1609
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,920
update about the Northwash boat ramp. I

1610
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,000
have a colleague online um who's helped

1611
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,079
us support the project and so he might

1612
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,119
come off of mute to to add in as I go.

1613
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,359
Um but this commission uh with the

1614
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,200
support of our staff helped identify the

1615
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,680
Northwash boat ramp um as a priority

1616
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,440
project a few years ago. This was still

1617
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,160
when the ORI process was being kind of

1618
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,240
incubated. Um and so it was an

1619
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,000
opportunity for us as staff to kind of

1620
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,680
cut our teeth in the project management

1621
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,079
and delivery side of the of the

1622
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:05,839
equation. So we are now launching into

1623
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,319
you know more planning grant grant

1624
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:10,880
support and then uh getting into the

1625
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,760
project management and and delivery. So,

1626
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,119
just to give a little bit of color and

1627
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:16,400
context, if you're not familiar,

1628
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,319
Cataract Canyon is Utah's Little Grand

1629
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:20,960
Canyon, and this is the takeout for for

1630
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,799
that section of the Colorado. It's a

1631
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:27,200
worldclass whitewater um and uh has been

1632
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:32,000
uh suffering at at the takeout for many, years. Um the Utah Guides and

1633
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,079
Outfitters have been advocating for

1634
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,400
stewardship and improved access for

1635
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,799
almost 20 years. Um the American

1636
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,119
Outdoors Association has elevated this

1637
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,160
nationally. Um, and it's been a a big

1638
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,599
project for us the last few years. Um,

1639
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:49,760
and this is to I don't need to talk to

1640
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,359
every bullet here, but this just gives

1641
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:54,400
you um an a timeline of when we started

1642
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,480
to meet with the National Park Service

1643
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,839
to understand why we weren't being able

1644
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:03,599
to um improve the access on this site.

1645
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:08,000
And this shows sort of our uh our

1646
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,079
lengthy um co coordination effort with

1647
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,760
Glen Canyon. Um and we're really uh as

1648
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,760
soon as we were able to provide funding

1649
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,680
through this commission and enter into

1650
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,119
an agreement with the Department of

1651
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,359
Interior, we were able to make some some

1652
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:25,119
tangible progress and more progress than

1653
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,160
there's been made in over 20 years. Um,

1654
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,839
so here's a photo of the ramp um at uh

1655
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:34,559
5400 CFS and then a congressional staff

1656
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,280
visit or site visit that we did back in

1657
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,440
2024

1658
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,440
talking about the issues and trying to

1659
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,760
understand why what we need to do to

1660
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,839
shake loose um a solution here to

1661
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:49,599
improve access. Um we were able things

1662
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:52,079
really uh started to move forward

1663
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:53,680
quickly when we're able to enter into an

1664
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,920
agreement and secure funding here. So we

1665
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,799
went through um engineering uh aspects

1666
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:02,960
last fall, geotechnical and then a a

1667
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,040
notice to proceed in full compliance

1668
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,559
package um landed on our division desks

1669
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,880
back in March of this year. And so we've

1670
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,960
been able to hit the ground running. Um

1671
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,880
Jones and DeLill has been doing the

1672
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,640
construction or the design and

1673
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,760
engineering and um uh Brown Brothers

1674
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,920
Construction has done the actual work on

1675
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,599
site and they've been fantastic. They're

1676
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,559
based out of Lowa.

1677
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:30,720
And so here's a um bird's eye view of

1678
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,760
the existing takeout in the the

1679
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,000
construction area. Kendall, if you're on

1680
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,190
online, do you want to chime in here?

1681
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,920
» Yeah. Uh what are you what are you

1682
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:44,720
looking for?

1683
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,079
>> Oh, just if you want to talk about the

1684
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:49,119
site and Kendall's been based out of

1685
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:50,880
Blanding, so he's been boots on the

1686
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,240
ground for us.

1687
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:53,920
>> Yeah. I know it's it's been it's been

1688
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,000
great. The um Brown Brothers

1689
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,000
Construction got in and they moved dirt

1690
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,480
very quickly. Um we the the ramp is

1691
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,359
essentially finished other than we are

1692
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:09,680
waiting for the surface mat uh a block a

1693
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,960
concrete block mat to arrive from back

1694
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,559
east. And that's that's what we're

1695
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:18,720
waiting on. So the project is is nearing

1696
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,559
completion. They the contractors say

1697
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:22,319
that they'll need about a day or a day

1698
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,520
and a half of work uh once the mat the

1699
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,599
matting arrives for them to be

1700
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:31,750
completely finished.

1701
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,839
Thanks, Kendall. Here's that

1702
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,079
articulating block mat that Kendall was

1703
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,400
talking about here. Um it's supposed to

1704
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,760
really help uh provide a sustainable

1705
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,799
ramp solution to get back down to the

1706
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:46,799
water.

1707
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:49,039
And this is the reason why we are here

1708
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,119
today requesting additional funding to

1709
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:53,280
help support and cover the bases to wrap

1710
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,599
up and complete the project. Um due to

1711
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:57,680
freight costs and that this is a

1712
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,640
material that's not locally sourced or

1713
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:02,720
product that's not locally sourced,

1714
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,000
we've had to um the the project cost has

1715
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,839
increased a little bit. You'll also see

1716
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:10,000
that there's um I think there's a

1717
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,839
handout at the front that kind of breaks

1718
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:14,319
down the costs. Um due to some of the

1719
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,079
geotechnical complications on site,

1720
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:17,760
there's some added jersey barrier just

1721
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,000
for added safety. Our boating program

1722
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,839
was able to contribute some funding for

1723
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:23,680
ongoing geotechnical monitoring to

1724
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,039
ensure that the site is safe and

1725
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,359
sustainable. Um and so we're here today

1726
01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:30,000
to just um request funding to help uh

1727
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,400
the get the project over the finish

1728
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,079
line.

1729
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:38,000
Um here's a a photo um from April, so

1730
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,920
last month. It's already May if you can

1731
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,920
believe it. Um, and we actually have a

1732
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,680
party that was getting out of of the

1733
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,079
water here. Um, and Kendall and I were

1734
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:47,760
able to meet with um, some of the guides

1735
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,520
and outfitters and the National Ability

1736
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,319
Center and some other folks um, to help

1737
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:54,240
kind of prep them on what to expect on

1738
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,839
the site when they're taking boats out.

1739
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,440
And one of the people said, "You know

1740
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000
what? We are so excited from National

1741
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,680
Ability Center." They said, "We have not

1742
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,960
been able to do programming down

1743
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,720
Cataract Canyon because the the boat

1744
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,280
ramp has been so so terrible. And so

1745
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,640
this is the first time we're going to be

1746
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,480
able to start bringing that programming

1747
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,559
back. So that means veterans, people

1748
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,799
with mobility limitations are able to

1749
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:17,039
now access this river for the first time

1750
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,680
in a while. So really, really gratifying

1751
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,640
to hear about that. Um the project's

1752
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,520
almost done. And yeah, this was just a

1753
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,720
fun visual um to look at where we were

1754
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,559
in 2023 when we first started kind of um

1755
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:35,039
coordinated state support to to help

1756
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,599
improve the access year and now where we

1757
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,680
are right now until the delivery of of

1758
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:42,559
the block map. So, we've got live um

1759
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:46,079
project updates on our website if you're

1760
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:51,750
interested in following along.

1761
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,680
another photo and the the funding

1762
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,680
request. Happy to take any questions.

1763
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,440
>> Just a quick note, there will be uh

1764
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,559
ribbon cutting June 4th. Um obviously

1765
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,079
anybody who wants to go and attend,

1766
01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:06,480
you're welcome, but uh it's probably

1767
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,680
going to be in the news just like a lot

1768
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,440
of the projects that this group has has

1769
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,839
already approved in years past. The

1770
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:13,760
Colorado River pathway that was just in

1771
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,359
the news last week with Governor and UD

1772
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,079
do and their project to connect there.

1773
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,319
Um, Forest Road 85 up American Fort

1774
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:22,400
Canyon was was high-profile in the news.

1775
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,480
So, the work that this commission does

1776
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,680
is is recognized by a lot of folks. But

1777
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,039
this this one has been a long time

1778
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,400
coming and uh not not without some real

1779
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,480
tenacity from from Carly and Kendall.

1780
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,670
And so, well done.

1781
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,240
» Thank you, Joey. We appreciate your

1782
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,480
updates on this. It looks It's nice

1783
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,799
seeing the pictures and the uh the

1784
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:48,960
progress that's made for government

1785
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,039
work. That's pretty quick. So, it's

1786
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:52,559
pretty good.

1787
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,799
>> Took us 20 years, but now that we we

1788
01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:55,280
have

1789
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,039
>> once we got on it, it went pretty quick,

1790
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,400
right? So,

1791
01:07:58,400 --> 01:07:59,359
>> y

1792
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:02,000
>> All right. Uh thank you. Does Does uh do

1793
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,839
any commissioners have any any questions

1794
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:07,430
for Carly?

1795
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,319
» I think we'll get to that later on.

1796
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,799
Yeah. And when we get to agenda item

1797
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:13,520
number six,

1798
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,960
>> Jason, um, if I could number two in the

1799
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,679
is that the request on the back? Uh, it

1800
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,759
says additional boat ramp, Matt. And

1801
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:23,199
sorry if I missed this in your

1802
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:26,239
presentation, but did you change the

1803
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,480
project like covering more ground or is

1804
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:30,159
it just an increased costs?

1805
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,480
>> It's increased cost due to complexities

1806
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,799
on the site. Um, we actually did our

1807
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:39,120
best to try to shrink the we had our our

1808
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,279
constituents wanted a 30- foot wide ramp

1809
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,199
and we had to shrink it down to about 16

1810
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,279
feet um just due to the site

1811
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,199
complexities. Um, but there was still

1812
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:48,960
some overages with the freight and the

1813
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,600
material costs and I think Kendall can

1814
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,279
help me out if I'm missing anything

1815
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,600
there. Yeah, I mean we another effort

1816
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,520
that we made was the the map material um

1817
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,319
is not going to cover the full 16 foot

1818
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,000
width of the of the travel area. It's

1819
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,359
only going to cover 10 feet um down the

1820
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,359
middle, which everybody everybody

1821
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,520
involved, the contractor, the engineer,

1822
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,359
Carly, myself, we we feel like that's

1823
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,920
sufficient um for the traction and for

1824
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,480
the stability, but we've even we've even

1825
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,880
gone so that far to try to reduce the

1826
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,880
costs as much as as we could.

1827
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,719
>> Yeah, and I apologize. Yeah, you were

1828
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,400
right. We we do need a motion at this

1829
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,480
point. We're I was reading the agenda

1830
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:35,759
wrong. So, um, somebody would like to

1831
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:37,040
make a a motion.

1832
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:38,880
>> There there's a question online, too.

1833
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,799
Commissioner Taylor has his hand raised.

1834
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:41,520
>> Oh, go ahead.

1835
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,319
>> I

1836
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:45,199
>> Yeah, I don't have a question. I I I I

1837
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,440
love this project and I'm glad to see it

1838
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:50,239
going forward. Um,

1839
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,080
we do a lot of good things in this

1840
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,600
commission and I'm really pleased with

1841
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,280
this. Pleased that we're getting it

1842
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,440
done.

1843
01:09:57,440 --> 01:10:00,159
>> Thank you, Commissioner. Would anybody

1844
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,159
else like to uh have any questions,

1845
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:02,800
comments?

1846
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,520
>> I have a question. So,

1847
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,440
do we have where will the additional

1848
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,159
funds come from? Will they come from the

1849
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:15,199
new fiscal year's OI bucket of money or

1850
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,719
>> they can come out of the prior fiscal

1851
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,239
year? So, the current there was a little

1852
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,920
bit of a rollover from funding last that

1853
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,280
kind of lapsed through. Um, so there's I

1854
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,280
think we had a a meeting with our

1855
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,440
finance manager. there was 3.5 that

1856
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,320
wasn't spent or had uh come back into

1857
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,320
the account. So I think we can utilize

1858
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,239
that from the last fiscal year and

1859
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,880
everything else will roll into this

1860
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,239
upcoming cycle and fiscal year. Did that

1861
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:43,440
answer your question?

1862
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,960
>> Yeah, that that helps a lot because it

1863
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,040
it's one thing to be as supportive in

1864
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,880
concept when you have a project overrun.

1865
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:51,920
It's another thing to figure out how

1866
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,280
we're paying for it.

1867
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,120
>> Absolutely. You need to know those

1868
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,400
numbers. I appreciate that.

1869
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,800
Great question, mayor. If I can follow

1870
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,280
up. So, I appreciate, you know, trying

1871
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,840
to make it affordable and stay within

1872
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,840
the budget, but is there a desire to get

1873
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,880
more resources to get the full 16 ft?

1874
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,360
>> So, that's a really excellent question.

1875
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,360
So, the one of the reasons why this has

1876
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,280
been a hangup and a project that hasn't

1877
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,600
come to fruition for over 20 years is

1878
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,440
because it's technically not an official

1879
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,760
asset as identified by the National Park

1880
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,679
Service. And so because of the

1881
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:29,280
hydraology in the canyon, they're

1882
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,199
wanting to actually make a more

1883
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:35,280
permanent longtime sustainable ramp up

1884
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,000
upstream of where this site is. And so

1885
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,560
if just because of the hydraology in the

1886
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:41,920
canyon, there could be a pretty

1887
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,239
significant rapid that forms just

1888
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:47,760
upstream in which case that this site or

1889
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,600
this particular ramp that we've put

1890
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,360
state resources into might not be

1891
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,760
accessible. When that will happen, it's

1892
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,600
hard to say. We don't know. But because

1893
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,480
this is a key a key access point that

1894
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,239
kind of unlocks this regional guiding

1895
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:03,600
economy um and ecosystem there if it it

1896
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,080
was um important for the state to to

1897
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,159
step in and and be involved. So the park

1898
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,920
service is is um going to create a a a

1899
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,320
north height ramp um that'll be more

1900
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,120
longterm just upstream. So yeah, we

1901
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,199
wanted to keep it simple and improve the

1902
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:20,880
access for the time being. We are not

1903
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,760
sure exactly the the timing on that

1904
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,950
other ramp. So,

1905
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,640
» good question.

1906
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,640
>> Any other questions or we'll we'll look

1907
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,400
for a motion?

1908
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,480
>> I'm prepared to make a motion that we

1909
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,960
approve the additional funding the

1910
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,360
additional cost for the um the boat ramp

1911
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,590
of $140,200.

1912
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:46,480
» I'll second that.

1913
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:50,400
>> We have a second. Thank you. Um the

1914
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,800
motion is that we approve the uh funding

1915
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,480
request to cover the remainder of the

1916
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,320
project costs for the Northwash boat

1917
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:59,360
ramp of $140,000

1918
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,719
$140 thou,200.

1919
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,239
Um.

1920
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:06,400
>> All in favor say I.

1921
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,159
>> I.

1922
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,560
>> And those against.

1923
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,800
>> Okay. I rule that passes unanimously.

1924
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,000
>> Thank you for your support of the

1925
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,440
project. I'm excited to see you all

1926
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,880
again in the fall with hopefully some

1927
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,239
more more good updates.

1928
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:19,120
>> Okay. Thank you.

1929
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,880
>> Just one thing on that. I hope they have

1930
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,360
a video so we can watch people back down

1931
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,199
that [laughter]

1932
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,679
>> there's already a video on on YouTube of

1933
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:29,360
someone that was so excited about the

1934
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,719
project that they they filmed the

1935
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:31,199
construction.

1936
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:32,800
>> Those are fun videos to watch. People

1937
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,095
trying to back down that don't know how

1938
01:13:34,095 --> 01:13:35,600
[laughter] to back down.

1939
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,159
>> Hence the Jersey barrier, which thank

1940
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,159
you for for funding the Jersey Barrier.

1941
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,080
>> There we go. Yeah, if you can find that

1942
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,400
YouTube video and send it out to us.

1943
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:45,040
>> Absolutely.

1944
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,280
>> All right. Thank you. Um, so we have

1945
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,679
that. We're going to go to uh agenda

1946
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:54,080
item 6B.

1947
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,120
Uh, uh, Patrick Morrison again. Thanks,

1948
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,560
Patrick.

1949
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,719
>> It's me again. Um, so I'm just going to,

1950
01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:02,560
uh, introduce our two commissioners here

1951
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,400
to present. Make sure I'm on the right

1952
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,120
slide. So, um, you may remember, I think

1953
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,199
it was in the January meeting last year,

1954
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:12,159
you granted me, uh, some authority for

1955
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,320
contract modifications. I believe it was

1956
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,880
10% of the award up to 20,000 scope of

1957
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,159
work changes that didn't, you know,

1958
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:19,760
really alter what the project was

1959
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,520
awarded for and then like budget line

1960
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,199
items that don't, you know, necessarily

1961
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,679
change any uh total award. Um, this one

1962
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,360
I I think is an example of what I feel I

1963
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,040
wanted to bring them in to make the

1964
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,640
formal request for your approval. I felt

1965
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,719
this one exceeded my authority. Um, so

1966
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,640
just a little background, this was award

1967
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,320
um not this most recent cycle, but the

1968
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,920
2425 year um for the Mud Springs Trail

1969
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:45,520
System phase two. Um phase one uh has been great. Um it got a um awards

1970
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,880
from our recreational trails program and

1971
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,199
our Utah recreation grant. Um so this

1972
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:50,400
was going to be the continuation of

1973
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:51,679
that. I don't want to kind of step on

1974
01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:53,280
the presentation and and they drove all

1975
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,600
the way down here uh to present. Um but

1976
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,199
more just kind of want to introduce um

1977
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,560
Commissioner Winfield from Grant County,

1978
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,320
Commissioner Man from San Juan County.

1979
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:01,760
Um this has been a great partnership

1980
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,360
between the two counties and and I guess

1981
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:04,640
I'll just kind of let you take it away.

1982
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,320
Um so this is just a scope of work

1983
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,920
adjustment. This is not a funding

1984
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,440
adjustment. Um but just here for your

1985
01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:17,350
approval. So, please take it away.

1986
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:18,880
» We might fight over who gets the

1987
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:19,840
clicker.

1988
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,600
>> Right. Will you guys uh introduce

1989
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,360
yourself and and tell us who you

1990
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,120
represent as well as you get as you get

1991
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:25,679
started?

1992
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:26,320
>> Sure. Thank you.

1993
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,480
>> I'm Commissioner Lorie Man and I

1994
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,400
represent Sanan County.

1995
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,040
>> And I'm Commissioner Bill Winfield and I

1996
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,719
represent Grand County. Um before we get

1997
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,320
started, I would like to thank you for

1998
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,960
that Northwash boat ramp because that

1999
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:42,800
industry that you were talking about

2000
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,840
that that's our counties, right? So

2001
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,600
that's that's huge for the boating

2002
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,280
community and I know my commissioner

2003
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,520
Martinez, fellow commissioner, has

2004
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,440
worked on that long and hard for years.

2005
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,480
So we're very excited even to see the

2006
01:15:56,480 --> 01:15:58,560
YouTube videos of somebody backing down

2007
01:15:58,560 --> 01:15:59,760
it.

2008
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:01,280
>> And actually I was there a couple months

2009
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:03,040
ago. Commissioner Martinez and I went

2010
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,719
down there and said, "Yeah, what a

2011
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:06,480
need." So to see those pictures now,

2012
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,960
it's great. So thank you as well.

2013
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,040
>> Yeah. So So this mud spring system that

2014
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,640
started there, the phase one has been

2015
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,960
completed other than just a little tiny

2016
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,320
portion which will be completed this

2017
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:25,600
year before the NIKA races start. The

2018
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,480
problem that existed is after phase one

2019
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,480
was built, they hadn't put a whole lot

2020
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,000
of thought or had a construction

2021
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,960
manager, anybody involved and the road

2022
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,440
system to get into this, which will

2023
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:41,280
handle up to, I'm told, 5 to 10,000

2024
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,239
people will come to these Nika events,

2025
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:46,640
these high school races.

2026
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,480
That that was kind of left out of the

2027
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:50,239
plan. And so what we're trying to do is

2028
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:53,520
pivot and take money from phase two that

2029
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,719
would enlarge the trail system and be

2030
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:00,400
able to use that to build the road and

2031
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,239
the um

2032
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:02,800
>> parking lot

2033
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,000
>> parking lots. And just for a little bit

2034
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,560
of

2035
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,320
um I don't know what I'm trying to say

2036
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,320
here to show you the size of those

2037
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,520
parking lots. A football field is very

2038
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:19,360
close to an acre and so we have 15 acres

2039
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,880
that we have to prepare in parking alone

2040
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,679
and it's out in basically it isn't a

2041
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,440
sand dune because it's growing sage

2042
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,480
brush and tim tumble weeds but we've got

2043
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,880
to prep that land and then put a base

2044
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,040
down for all these people to come in and

2045
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,600
be able to be participate in these

2046
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,400
races. And so there's an ex pretty

2047
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,000
extensive amount of money that's going

2048
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,640
to have to go into the infrastructure to

2049
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,480
open this up. And a lot of the costs are

2050
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,800
borne by the two counties. We're doing

2051
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,520
as much inind as we possibly can with

2052
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:00,000
our road departments. Um Todd Adair from

2053
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,719
San Juan County and Cody McKini from

2054
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,960
Grand County are participating in those

2055
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,080
efforts where the expense is coming in

2056
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,159
as the surface that's needed to put

2057
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:13,920
down. It's an extremely clay area out

2058
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,480
there, sandy clay. And so that it's

2059
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,960
going to require a rock subbase as well

2060
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,520
as then a road base on top of that.

2061
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,760
We've also collaborated quite a bit.

2062
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,440
Feel free don't let me do all the

2063
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:28,239
talking with you Dodd who's helping us

2064
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,480
with the majority of the road work not

2065
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:32,640
all of it the inind is coming from the

2066
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,640
counties but they are also helping with

2067
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,840
the surface on the road itself

2068
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,159
and so we've worked with Jared Beard and

2069
01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:42,400
Dan Hinckley mostly the two of them I

2070
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:43,920
know there's a few others that have been

2071
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,520
involved but

2072
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,080
>> so the other problem we have is when you

2073
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,880
um in San Juan County if you're heading

2074
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,520
if you're coming south and headed north

2075
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,320
there's a an area called um Blue Hill

2076
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,040
and you descend down and then you turn

2077
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,800
to get into the access in that mud

2078
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,560
springs area and it's just very very

2079
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,480
dangerous and UDOT has approached us

2080
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,320
several times about shutting that

2081
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,159
ingress into that. So the the reason for

2082
01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,080
moving this road is to move it further

2083
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,800
down for safety. It's more cost

2084
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,679
effective to move that down further than

2085
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:22,400
to do a turning lane for them. So,

2086
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,760
that's another thing we've been working

2087
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,520
on is trying to get this access better.

2088
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,120
And oh, yep, there's our slide. And you

2089
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,480
can see that when you come in, if I Yep.

2090
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:33,679
Right there access, that's the danger

2091
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:36,480
point. And what we're ending up doing is

2092
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:39,679
coming clear down to this cross section

2093
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,920
here

2094
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,400
is all the new road being built in

2095
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,040
there.

2096
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,880
>> So, when you're trying to turn right,

2097
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,080
those those trucks are what's on your

2098
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,920
tail basically. and it's really

2099
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,840
difficult to make a turn, right? And

2100
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,040
then you're slowing everyone down

2101
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,199
behind. So it's it's like we said, it's

2102
01:19:57,199 --> 01:19:59,360
a dangerous access to come into. So

2103
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:05,430
that's hence the change of the road.

2104
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,760
So we're basically here just asking you

2105
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,960
to allow us to divert the phase 2 funds.

2106
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,040
And it's possible that we don't use all

2107
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,920
of them. Whatever isn't used up will

2108
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,320
then go back towards phase two in in the

2109
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,880
future there. But currently what we have

2110
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,920
is some worldclass Nika racecourses that

2111
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,320
we don't have access to get people

2112
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,360
safely into. And so that that's what our

2113
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,600
ask is today is to be able to use funds

2114
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,760
that you've already

2115
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,560
approved but to use them towards the

2116
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,320
infrastructure that'll be required

2117
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,000
there.

2118
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,189
>> Any questions?

2119
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,040
» I don't have a question, Mr. chairman,

2120
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:51,760
but um I help uh coach a local mountain

2121
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,960
bike team and so I'm familiar with the

2122
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,760
Niker races and the vast amount of

2123
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,719
people that um a Niker race uh puts out

2124
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,120
for one of these races, which is both a

2125
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,719
blessing to a community when the

2126
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:04,960
mountain bike community descends to buy

2127
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,480
stuff in your your area um and use hotel

2128
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,000
rooms and all of those things, but also

2129
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,560
it's it's a lot of people that show up

2130
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,320
all at once um to to get to these areas.

2131
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,199
is. And so, um, I can absolutely

2132
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:21,120
understand how it would it would back

2133
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:25,520
up, uh, a highway, um, with a lot of of

2134
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,040
vehicles coming from all different parts

2135
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,040
of the state to attend the races, um,

2136
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,280
based on the regions. And I'm sure

2137
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,199
you're hosting multiple weekends in a

2138
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,040
row u, as well, because that's usually

2139
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,920
the goal of a of a NIKA facility. So,

2140
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,040
that would that would mean that you'd

2141
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,199
have multiple weekends throughout the

2142
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:42,800
fall season where you

2143
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,320
>> are experiencing those same safety

2144
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,320
issues. So, we just want to validate

2145
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,760
that having been to many Nik races that

2146
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,120
um you travel in a pretty big pack.

2147
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,080
>> That's what we

2148
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,760
>> with with a lot of equipment.

2149
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,840
>> Yes.

2150
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,159
>> And we we currently have two Nika races

2151
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,719
scheduled for this this fall at this

2152
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:03,920
place. So,

2153
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,080
>> I think I'll be at one of them.

2154
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,480
>> Oh, great. Join us.

2155
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:11,040
>> All right. Um

2156
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,440
any other questions, Natalie?

2157
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,840
>> Yeah. Um

2158
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,239
just a question about the funds you're

2159
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,000
redirecting from phase two. What won't

2160
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,159
be done as a result of that? Is it the

2161
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,600
additional trails that are being that

2162
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,280
would have been built during the phase

2163
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:28,080
two?

2164
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,400
>> So we'll just have to reapply to get

2165
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,280
that expansion of the phase 2 trails,

2166
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,920
but phase one does the trail system for

2167
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,760
phase one does us no good if we don't

2168
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,800
have the infrastructure in. So yes.

2169
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,320
>> Yeah. And it seems like you just need

2170
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,040
that critical access point again

2171
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,040
>> um to be able to have them access those

2172
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:48,400
areas and those trails especially for

2173
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,080
the Nik races as

2174
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,920
>> Raj

2175
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,679
maybe I'm not going backwards. I was

2176
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:55,679
just going to show you but that that cut

2177
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:58,320
off that's in there currently

2178
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,080
>> UD do wants to close that down

2179
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,520
completely because it is such an unsafe

2180
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,320
>> access there for either direction

2181
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,800
>> to get into that. So that little portion

2182
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,440
will eventually be closed off right at

2183
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,199
the highway so that people can't get in

2184
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,040
and out of there.

2185
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,040
>> And phase one in its current completion

2186
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,000
already allows for Nika to come in

2187
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,239
>> without wait

2188
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:25,280
>> trail system itself is built up enough

2189
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,520
to allow for a Nika raceourse.

2190
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:31,440
>> Yes. Yes. the trail system is completed,

2191
01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,760
>> but we just don't we can't we can't park

2192
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,560
people

2193
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,280
>> in those parking lots without the the

2194
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,270
infrastructure in

2195
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,520
» Thank you. Yeah, I had I had kind of

2196
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,760
similar question. I'm glad she asked it.

2197
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,600
Um I just pulling I'm just pulling up

2198
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,840
the code here on what what is approved

2199
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,719
because um we've had a lot of pe I

2200
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:53,840
believe in the past we had a lot of

2201
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,360
people saying, "Hey, we need roads." And

2202
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,639
it's like, "Okay, this isn't a road

2203
01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,639
thing, but Uh, I just want to clarify

2204
01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:02,719
for the the commission u what a rec what

2205
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:04,560
the code says is a recreational

2206
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,960
infrastructure project.

2207
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,719
I think this would qualify but just just

2208
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:12,639
let's let's let's get it on record here.

2209
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:15,199
So recreational infrastructure project

2210
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:18,159
means an undertaking to build, improve

2211
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,880
or restore and approve facility,

2212
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,320
installation or natural feature needed

2213
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,560
for the public to access and enjoy the

2214
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,120
state's outdoors. So recreational

2215
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,239
infrastructure project may include the

2216
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:33,920
establishment, construction or

2217
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,520
renovation of a trail, trail

2218
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,840
infrastructure or a trail facility.

2219
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,400
Construction of a project or restoration

2220
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,800
of a water body for a water related

2221
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,639
outdoor recreational activity.

2222
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:47,600
Development of a project for a wildlife

2223
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,199
watching opportunity including bird

2224
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,760
watching. Development of a project that

2225
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,560
provides a winter recreation amenity.

2226
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,080
construction or improvement of a

2227
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,639
community park that has an amenity for

2228
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:00,960
outdoor recreation and construction or

2229
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,360
improvement of a naturalistic and

2230
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,400
accessible playground. So I don't

2231
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,760
>> furthermore

2232
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:08,480
>> go ahead.

2233
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:09,840
>> What section is that?

2234
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,000
>> Um it's

2235
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,840
um this one.

2236
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,480
>> Yeah. 78 79-2

2237
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,920
>> and and more specifically in the outdoor

2238
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,960
venture fund um very explicitly in in

2239
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,719
519 909 902 um subject to appropriation

2240
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:26,320
the money from the account may be used

2241
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,520
for construction upgrades replacement

2242
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,560
acquisition and then E under three E

2243
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,800
providing access from state highways so

2244
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:35,600
pretty pretty clear

2245
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,239
>> so yeah so yeah we're I think we're good

2246
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:39,120
>> thank you Patrick

2247
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,239
>> yeah so u at this point are there any

2248
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:48,550
other questions or

2249
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,320
comments.

2250
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,080
All right, at this point we'll look for

2251
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,320
a motion. Somebody would like to make

2252
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,520
that one.

2253
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:56,719
>> Natalie, go ahead.

2254
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:58,880
>> Yeah, I'd be happy to make a motion to

2255
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:02,400
approve the Mud Springs Trail System

2256
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:03,840
phase 2 scope change.

2257
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,400
>> Okay. Do we have a second?

2258
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:10,390
>> Mr. Chair, I'd second.

2259
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,360
» All right.

2260
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,159
>> Multiple seconds,

2261
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,719
>> Mr. Taylor. Thank you for the second.

2262
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:16,800
All right. The motion is that we approve

2263
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:23,760
the the phase 2 scope change for the mud springs trail system. All in favor

2264
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:24,960
say I.

2265
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,199
>> I.

2266
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,840
>> And those against. All right. I rule

2267
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,440
that pass unanimously. Thank you.

2268
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:32,239
>> Thank you.

2269
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:33,040
very much.

2270
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,520
>> Thank you.

2271
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,080
>> Okay.

2272
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,800
>> I just turned it off myself. Okay. So,

2273
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,120
um, well, thank you, uh, for joining our

2274
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:45,520
make make meeting. Uh, before we close

2275
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,159
the meeting, uh, I've been told to make

2276
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:49,840
sure that everyone remembers to mark

2277
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:53,199
their calendars, uh, for the our next

2278
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,960
for the our second and potentially final

2279
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,760
outdoor adventure commission meeting for

2280
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,440
ORI project approval on Monday, November

2281
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:08,239
16th from 2:00 to 5:00 pm. So, uh, all

2282
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:10,400
right, we'll be looking for, uh, one

2283
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:15,030
final motion.

2284
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:17,679
All right. Uh, motion to adjurnn. All in

2285
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:21,679
favor say I. Thank you. I I

2286
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:25,719
>> We are adjourned. Thank you.