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uh, p.m. on June 17th, 2026. So,

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introductions for anybody that's new.

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uh, I'll start with myself. My name is

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Jason Blank Hagle. I'm the chairman of

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this uh, council.

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I am the member at large and excited to

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be here. So, we'll go

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down the list as I've got it

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um, with starting with our board

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members. I've got Brody.

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» Uh, this is Brody Johnson. I'm the ATV

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representative calling in from the

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shores of Lake Michigan.

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>> Oh, nice.

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Thanks, Brody. Got Dave?

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>> Dave Jacobson, BLM representative.

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>> Okay, thanks, Dave. Mike?

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>> Mike Cook, safety representative for the

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>> Thank you, Mike. Nicole?

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>> Nicole Nelson with the Public Lands

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Policy Coordinating Office.

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>> Thank you, Nicole. Russ?

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» Russ Casera with Trust Lands

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>> Thanks, Russ. And Scott?

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For once, he has nothing to say.

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» I like this part of Scott.

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>> Give me the microphone. Hey, now I'm

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ready for you. I'm the off-road

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motorcycle representative.

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>> All right. Thanks, Scott. Um,

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and then another we've got our program

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>> Yeah, Wade Allison, OHRV program

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>> Thanks, Wade. And Rachel, why don't you

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go ahead and introduce who's in the room

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Outdoor Recreation. I oversee and manage

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the OHV Recreation Grant.

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Nicole Hanna, the Division Director.

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» Excellent. Thanks, guys, for being here.

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Brett Davis.

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>> Brett Stewart, Utah OHV Advocates.

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>> Yeah, sorry I'm late, folks. Um yeah, uh

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full-size four-wheel drive

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Sheriff, and I am the Search and Rescue

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everybody, for attending.

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meeting minutes. Has everybody had a

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chance to review those? Are there any

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Wheeler and half of it said Walker. So,

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editing on the the Walker.

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» Okay, thanks, Scott. Any other questions

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>> This this is Brody. I I make a motion

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that we approve the minutes

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as written minus the or after the

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correction of Scott Walker to Scott

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seconded by Sheriff Curtis. All those in

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taken care of. All right, thank you.

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OHV recreation grant. This is from our

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enlighten us.

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so much for giving me this opportunity

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OHV our grant eligibility. Um this stuff

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kind of prior warning, it can be a

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going to go through it together and if

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legal perspective. And I have to say

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that these are not the Utah Attorney

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General's opinions, they're just mine.

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process. So, eligibility determinations

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application review process before

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they're inherently exclusive by nature.

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of funding and that may be that they may

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kind of few and far between. Um and but

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end of the presentation. And just a quick

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reminder that even though DOR and staff

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conscientious and helpful with the

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applicant, ultimately it's the

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applicant's responsibility to

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much appreciate it when they do that.

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path to eligibility. And you see you

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entire process. So, the application for

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the grant is submitted to DOR. We do

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people before the grant is submitted,

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get you down to the bottom in the

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you're a registered nonprofit that

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one branches into two separate branches

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because we have two separate inquiries

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those things are met, all of the arrows

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eligibility. You guys are good to go on

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ineligibility. So, our trail is closed,

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or a registered nonprofit. But, I think

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see the difference between the eligible

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of eligibility, okay? And

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our statutory authority.

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>> Okay, who raised their hand and would

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like to talk?

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>> Brett.

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>> Hi, Brett.

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>> Hi, the question I have when you say

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registered as a non-profit in the state

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of Utah, can you be from out of state

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and have a registered non-profit in Utah

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even though you're from Idaho for an

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example?

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>> We're going to talk about that probably

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more than you ever wanted to know, but

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the answer is yes. You can also register

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in Utah. That's the easy answer.

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>> Okay.

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Thank you.

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>> You're welcome. Um, eligibility means so

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we this is right back to where we were

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talking about kind of on that right hand

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side of our little graph there. So,

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federal agencies and that this is the

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thing about about what these what where

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these definitions come from and what

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they mean. There are no definitions in

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title 79, which is the outdoor recreate

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which is under which is the Department

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of Natural Resources which DOR is under.

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So, we have to look to other places in

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the code to find these definitions. The

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good news is is most of these

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definitions are fairly consistent

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throughout the code, but they are a

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little bit funny that you might not

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necessarily think about. So, federal

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agencies you can be part of the

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executive branch, but not military,

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Congress, or the judiciary. And state

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agencies we always think of things like

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DNR or DOR, but there's also boards,

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councils, committees, institutions,

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offices, bureaus, administrative units

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of the executive branch of state

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government, or an education entity. So,

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to ask some of the questions that have

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come up after I kind of sent everybody

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the initial draft of this internally at

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DOR,

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an education entity for these purposes

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is going to be any of the state

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colleges and universities. The ones that

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I think are left out just off the top of

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my head, Westminster and BYU because

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they are not public. Pretty much

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everything else would theoretically

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count.

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Okay, now let's get to political

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subdivisions of the state. Again, this

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is one where there are some in there

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that you just may not um

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necessarily expect to be in there, but I

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wanted to give you a couple of examples

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of some ones where you might go, "Gosh,

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what is a governmental subdivision?" The

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Jordan

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Valley Water Conservancy Conservancy

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District is an example of a governmental

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subdivision. So, they're kind of like

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half public entities, um kind of like

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UTA. They're very similar that way. And

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then also public corporations, and I

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think one of the only ones we have in

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Utah is the Utah Housing Corporation.

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I'm not sure that they would be um

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applying for this grant, but just to let

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you know theoretically that they could.

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And then OHV organizations, and remember

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these have two prongs, okay? That we

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both have to we have to look at both.

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So, they have to be incorporated as a

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nonprofit corporation in Utah, and they

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also have to have the purpose of

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promoting the interests of OHV

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recreation. And they have to have both

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or they're not eligible.

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All right, so

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here are the OHV organization

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requirements for

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eligibility. So, you have to be

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incorporated in Utah as a nonprofit. And

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Brett, to get exactly to your question,

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there are a number of different

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entities, and they're formed under

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different parts of the code. We are only

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allowed to consider the ones that are

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formed under

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um

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chapter 6A of the Division of

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Corporations Code, which is

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the

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Sorry.

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Which is the um

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the

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I'm sorry. The So, you can't So, you

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have different ways in which you can

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register. You can register as a

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charitable organization. That's not what

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Those Just because you register as a

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charitable organization, you don't

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necessarily

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still count under that that subsection

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for being eligible. And you're going to

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hear a lot of things about foreign

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versus domestic corporations, or maybe

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you've heard that before. So, that means

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that they initially incorporate in

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another state. They can incorporate in

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another state if they also incorporate

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in Utah, because that puts them subject

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to the laws of Utah and creates that that incorporation.

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And it's not technically domestically,

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technically it's a DBA, but under

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chapter 6A it still counts.

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The next step is that you have to be

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created for the purposes of promoting

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the interests of OHV recreation. It

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doesn't have to be the sole purpose.

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Um, but it does have to be We have to be

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able to look at the corporate documents.

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So, in this case, there are two

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documents that we look at, the articles

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of incorporation and the bylaws. And

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those are the ones that are going to

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tell us if that there if there's any

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purpose of promoting that OHV recreation

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interest.

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So, we're back on this path to

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eligibility, okay? So, we've gone down

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and we've looked at you promote OHV

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recreation, are you registered as a

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non-profit in Utah? And we're going to

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talk about our due diligence review and

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what we have to do with the Division of

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Corporations. So, incorporating in Utah,

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there's only one way you can do it. It's

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through the Division of Corporations and

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Commercial Code. I've included the

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website if you guys want to look around.

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It's really, really helpful. They are

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always up-to-date, and it is the

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official legal database of all

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non-profit organizations registered in

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Utah. They also have all of their

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bylaws, articles of incorporation, any

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kind of renewals or amendments, any

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corporate documents that are what we

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call foundational documents. Those have

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to be sent to the Division of

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Corporations and Commercial Code. You

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don't have to send things like if

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there's an operate if there's a other

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types of agreements that aren't

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necessarily

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bylaws or articles of incorporation,

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those aren't always found there, but

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those are the two major ones that we

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look at. And I would encourage everybody

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to just go onto the website real quick

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and you can look around and see what's available because it's incredibly

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informative and helpful.

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All right, so what are the required

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filings?

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This is a lot of legalese to say that

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basically you take a document that's

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called the articles of incorporation,

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you file it with the division, and that

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is when your

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um

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your nonprofit essentially becomes

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effective in Utah.

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And the second part that's important

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there is it's conclusive proof that all

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conditions precedent to incorporation

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have been satisfied. And what that means

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is that everybody has looked at the

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statute that they're supposed to, which

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is 16-6-8-201

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technically, and then it goes through

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quite a few other provisions. But what's really what's kind of interesting

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about Utah's and most states is

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basically anybody over the age of 18 can

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file these. And they only have to have a

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few things included, which is the

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purpose, corporate name, your registered

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agent, so that's your contact person,

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the names and addresses of the people

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that are incorporating, and then if

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you're issuing any voting rights or

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stocks and shares, that's that also has

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to be included. But what they what they

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require is very, very, bare bones.

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So, uh incorporating in Utah articles of

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organization, these this is some sample

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language. I don't actually expect you

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guys to really want to read all of this.

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Um but basically what what the important

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thing to get out of this is this purpose

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clause like we talked about in the prior

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slide which is required to in order to

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file your articles of incorporation and

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to become a non-profit in Utah. These

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tend to be very, very broad. And so, you

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can just see some examples of um some

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purposes that people have stated here.

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It's really helpful when they're not as

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broad and they're a little bit more

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tailored, but technical but generally

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speaking people like to keep them really

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broad so that the non-profit can do

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uh a number of different things instead

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of having to be too, too limited.

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And additional requirements you have to

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be met if you want to hit that 501c3

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um or 501c4, really any of the 501

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things. And just a real quick note about

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the 501 language, attorneys kind of use

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it as a uh synonym for a non-profit.

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Technically, the 501 language is the

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federal language and there are lots of

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different types of 501 corporations and

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whether they're a C uh three or four or

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some of the different things, it has to

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do with how much they're allowed to

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lobby, what they're allowed to do with

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their charitable donations.

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So, this is the other document that's

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really, really important. This is the

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bylaws. And the bylaws are your

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administrative kind of set out for your

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organization. So, again, when we look at

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the purpose, it's going to be it can be

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or generally is tends to be very, very

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broad. But that is the other place where

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we look when we're trying to find

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evidence of um

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eligibility and OHV interest. All right,

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so we're back to this path to

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eligibility and we talked about doing

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the Division of Corporations filings and

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now we're going to switch over to

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promoting the interest of OHV

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recreation. So the Remember, this is the

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second step because we have to have

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both. So what we look at that we just

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talked about is looking at the corporate

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documents and this is going to be

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inclusive and not exclusive. So even if

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it's very broad and it just generally

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says that it promotes outdoor

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recreation, that wouldn't immediately

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trigger an ineligibility determination.

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What that would trigger would be a much

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more extensive look into the entity

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itself and what it's doing. And so and

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we call that kind of the baseline

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determination, right? So all of the

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things that DOR looks at when

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determining eligibility. Was that

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another hand?

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>> Oh, no. Sorry.

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>> Okay. Sorry guys, I just didn't want to

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miss one. So the things that DOR

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considers and again, there's a there's a

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very broad list here, but this is a

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really good kind of summary is the legal

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aspects. So the code, the rule and the

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00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,800
corporate document review. Then there's

552
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,720
a practical element. So site visits,

553
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,360
um looking at, you know, any kind of

554
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,120
modifications of documents,

555
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:35,280
organizational history, intent. We talk

556
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,320
with their attorneys, we talk with um

557
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,400
usually the members of the board, um

558
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,040
evidence of past OHV projects or

559
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000
investments in projects. And then we

560
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,560
have policies.

561
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,760
>> I ask you a question on that?

562
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,600
Um

563
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,480
What What do you mean by organizational

564
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,240
history and and and and more

565
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080
specifically, what do you mean by

566
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,040
intent?

567
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,040
>> So the organizational history is going

568
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,840
to be when we look at the articles of

569
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,720
incorporation and the bylaws and all of

570
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,920
the history, we're going to look at when

571
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,160
it was established, why it was

572
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,000
established, what the purpose of of it

573
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,880
being established was for, whether or

574
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,520
not it is in good standing, meaning that

575
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,880
they have that they So, you can be

576
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,120
active or in or or they call it

577
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,040
inactive, but basically every every 5

578
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,000
years, I believe it does.

579
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,640
Um you have to re-up your registration.

580
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,360
So, we look to make sure that they've

581
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,240
done that. We look to make sure that

582
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,560
they haven't had a massive overhaul of

583
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840
the board or something. And if they

584
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,160
have, again, it's not that it makes them

585
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,360
necessarily ineligible, but it's

586
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,360
definitely something that we look at so

587
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,480
that we make sure that the organizations

588
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,560
that we're giving money to are

589
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,360
reasonable organizations that, you know,

590
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,000
for example, haven't had a history of

591
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,200
like an an incredibly litigious history.

592
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,160
So, they haven't been sued every year

593
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,920
for the past 10 years for fraud, um

594
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,880
which unfortunately happens with some

595
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,080
nonprofits.

596
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,400
>> And what about the intent? What's the

597
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,880
definition here of intent?

598
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,880
>> Um is what their intent is? Well, both

599
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,720
So, that's that's pretty broad, and I

600
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,960
think that that applies in a number of

601
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920
different places. So, what's the intent

602
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,480
of the reason why they applied for this

603
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,560
grant? What was their intent in

604
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,200
um forming the organization? What is

605
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,240
their What are their intentions going

606
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,720
forward? If they're a new organization,

607
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040
and we keep we look try to look and see,

608
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,480
well, there aren't really any past OHP

609
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,000
projects or investments in projects,

610
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,000
then we talk with them, and we say,

611
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,560
"Okay, well, you know, what what What

612
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,640
are you What are you hoping to do, or

613
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,400
what are you hoping to accomplish with

614
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800
this nonprofit that

615
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,880
>> Are we

616
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,440
with the intent can

617
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
what sources of information can you use

618
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,760
for the intent? Can you use

619
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,200
Facebook, social media? What what can

620
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,280
you use for the intent? Cuz that's pretty broad.

621
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,800
>> Yeah, it is. And again, because it's

622
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,600
inclusive and not exclusive. So, if they

623
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,480
have filed a really really broad purpose

624
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,840
statement in their articles of

625
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720
incorporation or their bylaws and we

626
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,520
look at um then we you know, we we look

627
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
on their social media page and we see

628
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,200
that they've been doing, you know, um

629
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,920
OHV activities pretty consistently. I

630
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,880
mean, we we kind of can look at anything

631
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,360
that we want to in making that practical

632
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,080
determination.

633
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,520
>> Do we get in trouble by looking at their

634
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,360
social media history and going, "Wait a

635
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,960
minute, this is a group that has a

636
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,920
history of

637
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,320
uh

638
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,880
anti-OHV rhetoric in social media and

639
00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,760
all of a sudden they're putting in a

640
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,760
grant. Do are we allowed to say raise

641
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,480
our hand and say, "Hey, that's a that's

642
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,040
an issue." or do we need to be quiet and

643
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,160
sit on our hands?

644
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,200
>> Well, no, I think that that is one of

645
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,360
the pieces of information that can be

646
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,920
used in order to make these

647
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,720
determinations, but I don't think that

648
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,840
stalking someone online is a good idea.

649
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,240
So, for example, if the organization

650
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,280
itself when we're talking about social

651
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,400
media, we're talking about the

652
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000
organization's page. We're not talking

653
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,640
about like individual people's pages.

654
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,080
So, if the organization's page is, you

655
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,040
know, if we look at it and everything in

656
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,680
there is

657
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040
doesn't have anything to do with OHV and

658
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,240
all just has to do with protecting

659
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,000
trails, let's say, for just walking and

660
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,040
hiking, then yeah, that would be

661
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,120
something that we could take into

662
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,000
consideration.

663
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,880
>> Okay, that that makes sense. Thank you.

664
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,640
>> You're welcome.

665
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Um I would never though I I don't think

666
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040
and I don't think that DOR does this and

667
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,880
I would never suggest that we should

668
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,480
take just something that is on social

669
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,080
media that hasn't been verified and then

670
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,440
just use that as a reason to deny a

671
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,520
grant. I think that there is again, if

672
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,480
you look at that and you have some

673
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600
concerns, those are concerns that then

674
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,320
DOR addresses very carefully to try to

675
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,160
understand why the stated intent in the

676
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,560
articles of incorporation and bylaws as

677
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,880
a nonprofit is different than what

678
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,670
they're actually advocating for.

679
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720
Does that make sense?

680
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,840
>> Yes, thank you.

681
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,080
>> You're welcome.

682
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,320
Okay.

683
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,240
>> Mike has his hand up, too.

684
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,320
>> I'm sorry?

685
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,840
>> Mike has his hand up, too. He's got a

686
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,800
question.

687
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,440
>> Hi Mike, what's up?

688
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,800
>> Hey, how are you doing?

689
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,240
>> Mike.

690
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480
>> Kind of thinking down in the same lines

691
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,160
of Brody. I just

692
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:02,880
My question is, let's say you have a corporation or whatever they are that

693
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,280
I mean their bylaws say, "Yeah, we're

694
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,200
here to promote OHV just flat out." But

695
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,240
then,

696
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,600
you know, obviously they aren't um and

697
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,320
there's evidence, you know, either on

698
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,280
their Facebook page or the way they're doing that. Um

699
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:25,040
uh just overwhelming evidence that they aren't promoting OHV.

700
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,080
Uh where's the threshold and who makes

701
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,480
the decision off of that to say, "No,

702
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760
you aren't eligible."

703
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,120
Just just because your your bylaws say

704
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,280
you're

705
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200
you know, fit the mold,

706
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,960
your actions don't. Who makes that

707
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,040
um call?

708
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,680
>> DOR would make that call.

709
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,510
>> Okay.

710
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,200
All right.

711
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,120
>> All right. Um so the the next thing that

712
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,960
we would move down to is kind of the

713
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,520
policy considerations and you know, so

714
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,400
does this further the interest of the

715
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240
OHV recreation access consistent with

716
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,720
the grant program's intent and purpose?

717
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,640
And I think that also is one where

718
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640
there's a lot of discretion, but I do

719
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,600
think that that's one that um DOR takes

720
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,720
into account very carefully uh in these

721
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,320
determinations. And remember this is

722
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,040
like like kind of if you think of it as

723
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,560
like a gumball

724
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,120
you know, like one of those old guess

725
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,400
the number of gumballs in the gumball in

726
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,080
the gumball container. Like these are

727
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,720
all gumballs that we use to kind of in

728
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560
our weighing of whether or not this is

729
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,400
this this um

730
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,040
entity is eligible. The one thing that I want to say is if

731
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,200
we read the articles of incorporation

732
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,160
and the bylaws or any other corporate

733
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200
documents that are available and there

734
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,360
is nothing in there about OHV or then

735
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120
all of this other stuff we you know, we

736
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600
usually would reach out to them to talk

737
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,680
with them about it, but that's going to

738
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,200
be a pretty high bar for them to try to

739
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,720
convince us that um that this is an

740
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,910
eligible entity.

741
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Okay, so the and the last one is the law

742
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,680
enforcement aspect and this is because

743
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,880
we do have areas where people have

744
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,240
applied for grants and there's been

745
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,120
there are issues and they're kind of

746
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,560
systematic issues with people not

747
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,520
registering or not being compliant. And

748
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520
so that's one of the things that we also

749
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,640
can talk to them about. So if you have

750
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,480
an entity and it's an OHV you say,

751
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160
"Okay, great. Everybody here is for OHV.

752
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,840
It's in your articles and your bylaws.

753
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,320
We've looked through all of this other

754
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,120
stuff and we'd like to move forward."

755
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,640
and then there no one that has those vehicles is compliant with the

756
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,600
registration requirements. That's

757
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,640
something that we would require them to

758
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,360
change usually as part of their kind of

759
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960
plan. And the reason is is because this

760
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,840
gets funded with that registration

761
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,880
funds. And so it's you know, it it helps

762
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,120
it's it's hard to justify giving an

763
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200
organization a bunch of grant money

764
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
that's funded with registration fees in

765
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,600
part

766
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200
when they aren't registering their

767
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,040
vehicles or don't think that that's

768
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,600
important. And that also gives us kind

769
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,400
of an an indication that even if they

770
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,480
say that they're going to sign all of

771
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,840
the grant requirements, maybe they just

772
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,520
don't really care about the law and they

773
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,480
just want the money, and that would also

774
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,000
be incredibly problematic.

775
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,360
And so the point of all of this is it's

776
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,520
not a cursory process. We don't just

777
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,200
look at one document or one situation

778
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,280
and say, "Okay, well, this is or

779
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,880
sometimes they do you can if it's very clear." And we can think of a

780
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,600
couple of examples of really

781
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,640
well-established OHP groups in Utah

782
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,440
where, you know, we we don't have to go

783
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,760
down to like the

784
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,600
some of the practical things because

785
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,840
they're just so so so well-established,

786
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,360
right?

787
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,990
So that's kind of that part.

788
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,560
So the other thing that I thought might

789
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,680
be helpful for you guys was just to kind

790
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,040
of talk about the division of duties. So

791
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,680
um

792
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,640
for DOR

793
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,720
their duties are to determine things

794
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,360
that like eligibility that are dictated

795
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,560
by code rule or policy. It's it's not a

796
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
discretionary determination unless it's

797
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,440
stated so in code rule or policy. And

798
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,240
the way that we look at it is whether

799
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,200
DOR shall do something versus DOR may do

800
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,280
something, okay? So examples of that are

801
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,000
compliance with the funding provision

802
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,520
that dictates what the grant funds can

803
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,560
and cannot be used for under the Utah

804
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,720
law that applies to these grants, right?

805
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,040
So if they want grant funds and we just

806
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,160
can't use them because the law says that

807
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,800
we can't, then there's not a lot that we

808
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,560
can do about that. Another example that

809
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,880
application applications are completed

810
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,320
timely and submitted by DOR's due date.

811
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280
The difference with the advisory council

812
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,720
is that they their duties you guys

813
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,120
mostly advise on the policies related to

814
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520
the use of off-highway vehicles and you

815
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
don't really make those eligibility

816
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,800
determinations, but once those have been

817
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,480
made, you evaluate the projects, right?

818
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Based on the funds, the project

819
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,760
applications, the um

820
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,760
the things that are set forth in rule,

821
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,560
all of the different requirements, and

822
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,040
then there's also kind of a

823
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,120
discretionary part here, right? With

824
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680
whether or not you guys as a whole think

825
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,400
that this is a good project that should

826
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,960
move forward. I do think it's important

827
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,160
to add here that

828
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,520
unlike some of the other boards, your um

829
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,360
code language is just advisory. So DOR

830
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,160
can choose to ignore the recommendations

831
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,960
of the advisory council. Generally, that

832
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,520
is not their practice and Jason and I

833
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,640
talked about this and that it would only

834
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,800
really um come into effect in very

835
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,800
extreme situations. What I want to say

836
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,440
though is that I think you guys are

837
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,440
really, really fortunate and sometimes I

838
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,840
think people don't realize this because

839
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,000
there are a lot of advisory councils in

840
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,440
Utah and not every division of the state

841
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,480
of Utah gives as much importance and

842
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,080
weight to their advisory council. So

843
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,840
when I used to represent DABC, which is

844
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,520
now DABS, which is the alcohol division,

845
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,360
they have an advisory council as well,

846
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,639
and maybe

847
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,560
I don't I haven't been there for a few

848
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,320
years, but when I was there, I was like

849
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,960
70 to 90% of the time what the advisory

850
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,760
council advised, they did not follow.

851
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,280
So, just to give you an idea

852
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,560
of that there are there huge differences

853
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,960
in how advisory councils are treated

854
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,240
throughout the state.

855
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,480
All right, we're back to our path to

856
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,950
eligibility.

857
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
So, this is what we're going to talk

858
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,880
about with eligibility in practice. So,

859
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,000
we're going to run through our little

860
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040
chart like we did with the Foundation

861
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480
for America's Public Lands. This is the

862
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,280
BLM Foundation that was formed as a

863
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,120
501c3

864
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,080
as kind of the charitable arm of the

865
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,480
BLM, and one of the reasons why they did

866
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840
that is because what a federal agency is

867
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,800
allowed to do and what a 501c3 is

868
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,120
allowed to do are very different things.

869
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,600
Lobbying is a big one. How they accept

870
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,280
charitable donations is another big one.

871
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,600
To my knowledge, this is the only entity

872
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,800
that this entity is the only entity that

873
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,680
has been formed like that, and it is

874
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,160
extraordinarily unique, and I'll explain

875
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,440
to you why it's unique and why it has to

876
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,280
be had to be considered a little bit

877
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,880
differently. So, there were two possible

878
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,720
entity determinations that this could

879
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,480
fit into. Is it a federal agency, or is

880
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,040
it one of those OHP organizations,

881
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,120
right?

882
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,440
So, we started with federal agency

883
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,080
eligibility. Now, these guys don't have

884
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,280
articles of incorporations or bylaws,

885
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,120
instead they were established by an act

886
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,760
of Congress in 2019, so they have an

887
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,640
enacting law. And what they do is they

888
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,760
run it through an operating agreement

889
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,920
that is with the BLM. They're covered by

890
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,360
the BLM's insurance, and they're

891
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,480
technically a separate entity, but there

892
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,240
is a lot of crossover. Uh they are

893
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,200
registered as charitable entities

894
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,040
throughout the United States where

895
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,160
that's required by state law. It wasn't

896
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
required in Utah until January 1st of

897
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,000
2025.

898
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,800
So and then there are a few little

899
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,560
exemptions, but basically what we did is

900
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,240
then we we started that review, right?

901
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:53,640
And then we found out that they had

902
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,040
incorporated in Washington D.C. as a

903
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,960
nonprofit. So that is problematic

904
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,760
because if they're if they're

905
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,440
incorporated in Washington D.C., then

906
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,360
they also need to be incorporated in

907
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,680
Utah. So I gave them a call and they

908
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,760
agreed to incorporate in Utah as a

909
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,560
nonprofit, and we were absolutely

910
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,640
thrilled, and they got on it, and I am

911
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,080
just waiting on verification for them,

912
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,320
but it was a really really helpful good

913
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,520
choice.

914
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
So now that we we've agreed that

915
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,240
technically they can't they are eligible

916
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,400
as uh potentially eligible as a

917
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:31,960
nonprofit, we have to move to that

918
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,560
second part of the the analysis, which

919
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,720
is does it promote the interests of OHV

920
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,240
recreation? And we went back and forth

921
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,960
about this for quite some time, but

922
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,560
basically what it what ended up

923
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,800
happening, and I I don't want I I didn't

924
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,280
add too many of the specific things here

925
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680
because a lot of it is protected work um

926
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,560
work product between attorneys because I

927
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,080
was talking with their counsel and

928
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,600
stuff, but

929
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,840
they um they have done some amazing

930
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,720
projects, and they just uh

931
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,560
just sent me a news article where they

932
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,720
donated um a few hundred thousand

933
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,080
dollars in a partnership with Polaris,

934
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,640
and so we we went through everything and

935
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,400
talked with them and had meetings with

936
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,680
them, and basically we came to the

937
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,680
conclusion that while they also, you

938
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,160
know, um do matching funds for

939
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:27,960
non-motorized outdoor recreation

940
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,280
activities, so like they will do, you

941
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,480
know, they'll do trail repair for hikers

942
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,640
or bikers and other things, you know, or

943
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
water, they aren't at they aren't doing

944
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080
anything that would be detrimental to

945
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120
motorized um

946
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,320
or OHV recreation. So, that concern, I

947
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,800
think, was alleviated and alleviated

948
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,760
really at an extraordinarily high level.

949
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,720
So, that's where we get to our little

950
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,800
are they able to be are they eligible to

951
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,520
be a grant? And the answer is, yeah, we

952
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,520
think they probably are because they

953
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,120
thought they are an OHV organization,

954
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,640
they're going to incorporate in Utah,

955
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,640
and they promote OHV recreation.

956
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,400
Did that make sense to everybody? And

957
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,400
whoever was has their hand up, please

958
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,710
just interrupt.

959
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,280
» I think that's pretty cool. I I didn't

960
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,440
have my hand raised. I think that's

961
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,760
cool. It seems like was didn't the

962
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,960
Forest Service maybe have something

963
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,080
similar or or or not?

964
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,840
>> So, they Yeah, they may. Yeah. Yeah, I

965
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,440
apologize. Go ahead.

966
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,200
>> Yeah, I got American Forest Foundation.

967
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Yeah. And they have applied for grants

968
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,000
with the division for different things

969
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:39,920
and

970
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,360
are good partner, but just like anybody

971
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,240
else

972
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,840
we uh we weigh the merit, you know,

973
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,440
benefits of their application based on

974
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,920
the project they do.

975
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,680
>> Yeah, and

976
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:49,960
>> bit different structure, but

977
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,200
>> Yeah, and so so that's the thing is each

978
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,800
one of these because because they don't

979
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,880
really fit real easily into any of these

980
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,200
categories when you first look at them,

981
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,400
they we spent a lot of time um

982
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,560
you know, trying to make sure that that

983
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,440
this was going to be a good fit. But,

984
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,280
you know, the And these are relatively

985
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,000
new, so

986
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,080
um I think it's actually a really

987
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,560
positive beneficial step in private and

988
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,640
partner um private and public

989
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,560
partnerships.

990
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,560
>> Uh it looks like Brett Stewart has his

991
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640
hand raised. So, I'll make him a

992
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,110
participant for this one.

993
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,950
Brett.

994
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,400
» All right. Brett, go ahead.

995
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,080
Okay, so two questions. If

996
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,680
let's say for an example a nonprofit

997
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,240
receives a grant and then they're in

998
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,240
violation of the of the contract,

999
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,520
which I believe has happened in the

1000
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400
past, what is there any language

1001
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,880
anywhere that what the penalty could be?

1002
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,200
Like you can't apply again for 5 years

1003
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,280
or anything like that anywhere

1004
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,760
in the rules?

1005
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,080
And the other And the other question is,

1006
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,280
sorry, the other question is

1007
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,560
if the BLM receives money through a

1008
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,320
grant, which I happen to know

1009
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,400
um I did a support letter for the one on

1010
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,600
the Henry's and and within a few months

1011
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,800
of getting that money, I found that

1012
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,200
um they were using I'm So, I'm assuming

1013
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,000
I don't know, but there was a lot of

1014
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,600
road closures that had been done since

1015
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,600
they received the grant. I mean, how do

1016
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,360
we monitor that? And that would

1017
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,440
definitely be in violation again along

1018
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,840
with a nonprofit the on question number

1019
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:35,880
one.

1020
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,000
>> So, actually that's a different

1021
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600
determination and that's not really a

1022
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,920
pre-scoring issue. That is once you guys

1023
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,480
have scored them and they have um

1024
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,520
received the grant monies and they've

1025
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,240
signed the grant contract, that then if

1026
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,320
they breach the terms of that grant

1027
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,720
contract um or grant agreement, that

1028
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,360
that's a completely different kind of

1029
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,680
legal process that we go through. But

1030
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,160
yes, we um and and that's something I

1031
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,360
think that if you guys are interested

1032
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,520
and I I'm more than happy to pull out

1033
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,480
some of the provisions from our grant

1034
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,800
agreement to or walk you guys through it

1035
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,400
so you can see what protections and

1036
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,880
stuff we have put in, but this is all

1037
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,720
happening at a pre-scoring level. So, it

1038
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,280
is very, very different than that

1039
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,800
situation, which is a more of a breach

1040
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,080
of contract and then could potentially

1041
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,080
result in all of the grant funds being

1042
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,520
pulled back.

1043
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,880
And yes, possibly not and you know, not

1044
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,600
being able to get grants in the future

1045
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,240
and things like

1046
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,760
>> Okay, thank you.

1047
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,720
>> It's just a different little spot, but

1048
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,680
you're right, it is relevant and it is

1049
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,760
important and I'm more than happy to

1050
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,400
pull those for you guys and and do that

1051
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,240
in a separate spot, but we're just at a very, very preliminary spot right

1052
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:55,880
now.

1053
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,280
>> Okay, thank you.

1054
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:58,240
>> You're welcome.

1055
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,560
>> Mike, you had your hand up.

1056
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
>> Yeah, so um

1057
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,280
I think these are these are great

1058
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,400
because

1059
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,920
I think the purpose of them is to

1060
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,120
basically bypass some of the spending

1061
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,880
um regulations

1062
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,960
just

1063
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,800
so that we don't get bogged down in red

1064
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,920
tape, but I do have a concern.

1065
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,000
Um

1066
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,440
so,

1067
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,000
if you have

1068
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,800
some kind of agency, be it government or

1069
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,080
anything,

1070
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,600
and they're applying for grants under

1071
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,800
their name,

1072
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120
then you have this friends of let's say

1073
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,560
John Doe here is applying for grants and

1074
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,480
you have this corporation, friends of John Doe,

1075
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,760
that are applying. They're two different

1076
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,200
entities,

1077
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,280
but the money's going to the same place.

1078
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Um

1079
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,800
>> They're actually three different

1080
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,880
entities.

1081
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,400
>> Okay, three different entities, but

1082
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,400
>> Yeah, you're right. And and they're

1083
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,000
three different entities and the money

1084
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,320
is technically going to three different

1085
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,920
places,

1086
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,480
but there is

1087
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,200
there's something that we call it's

1088
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,360
called breaching the corporate veil. And

1089
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,400
so, that means that if you set up a

1090
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,880
whole bunch of foundations and

1091
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520
organizations and ultimately you're just

1092
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,000
funneling the money to yourself,

1093
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,440
those corporations are not valid

1094
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
anymore. So what the division the

1095
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,840
division of corporations you can file

1096
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,240
complaints with them and then they go

1097
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,000
through a process where they will

1098
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,240
de-incorporate them and not allow them

1099
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,560
to re-incorporate. Um it's it's a very

1100
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,680
long process, but it's called piercing

1101
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,680
the corporate veil and it basically

1102
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,680
means that people have tried to set up a

1103
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,880
series and people do this with trusts

1104
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,000
too and with um different uh like um not

1105
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,200
just nonprofits, but they do it with

1106
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,720
different like LLCs. They'll set up like

1107
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,800
40 different LLCs, but if ultimately you

1108
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,400
can prove that the money's going to the

1109
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,760
same place, then that would be the

1110
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,880
analysis that we would go through.

1111
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,960
>> Yeah, and I'm not so worried about

1112
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,480
somebody doing something illegal like

1113
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,640
that. I'm I'm just think that it it'd be

1114
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,600
beneficial for

1115
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,760
us as the advisory council to know that

1116
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,840
we didn't just give a 100,000 to this uh

1117
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,840
well, we'll just use the BLM. We didn't

1118
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,600
give 100,000 to the

1119
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,840
that we gave 100,000 to the BLM and we

1120
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,840
gave

1121
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,720
the another 100,000 to this that we

1122
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,520
really gave $200,000 to the BLM.

1123
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480
>> No, you did not. You only gave $100,000

1124
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,480
to the BLM.

1125
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,280
>> Yeah, but if the money goes from that

1126
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,320
corporation straight to the BLM, then in

1127
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,840
essence, you know, that we gave

1128
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,800
you know, the BLM really got $200,000,

1129
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,360
you know. I mean, technically they

1130
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,160
didn't, but but they did

1131
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,760
>> Not only just technically, that it's

1132
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,480
they're very very different

1133
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,080
organizations and they they they have to

1134
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,720
operate separately. So yes, you're

1135
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,080
absolutely right. If we could try to

1136
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,200
prove that this Foundation for America's

1137
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,360
public lands was fraudulent because what

1138
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,280
they were doing was just funneling money

1139
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,760
back into the BLM without any kind of

1140
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,520
good corporate structure or they had the

1141
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,080
same account or something like that.

1142
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,880
You're You're absolutely right, but I

1143
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,080
think that it's not as helpful to think

1144
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,440
about it as we're giving two different

1145
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,240
organ We're actually just giving the

1146
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,040
same organization

1147
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,080
$200,000 because that's not really the

1148
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,520
way the law works.

1149
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,320
>> Uh-huh.

1150
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,720
>> So, I I agree that it's important and

1151
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,680
that's one of the things that, you know,

1152
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,640
we can look at, but it for example with

1153
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,640
this Foundation for America's public

1154
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,240
lands, they're not just funneling the

1155
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,920
money back into the BLM.

1156
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,720
>> And not only that, I can't imagine the

1157
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,800
advisory council not having rigorous

1158
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
discussions about a situation like this.

1159
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,560
Just you know, waiting. So, it's it's

1160
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,400
kind of a moot point in my opinion.

1161
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480
>> Okay. Yeah, well, that That was my thing

1162
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,800
is that if

1163
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,680
you know, that that money if they are if

1164
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,520
they are doing a project for say the

1165
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,920
BLM, which I don't have a problems with.

1166
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,520
I mean, that's great if they they're

1167
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,640
helping out the BLM.

1168
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,960
But but I I as a advisory council would

1169
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,360
like to

1170
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,520
know that that money

1171
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,000
that we gave that project is going to

1172
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,840
BLM, you know, where exactly it's going

1173
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,760
to go.

1174
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,560
>> Yeah, I think what we would really want

1175
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,160
to look at in a case like that, Mike, is

1176
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,760
do they have a letter of support from

1177
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,320
the BLM? And is the BLM, you know, local

1178
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
district office, state office supportive

1179
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,040
of that project? And maybe maybe Dave

1180
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,080
Jacobson can offer the insight as well.

1181
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,840
>> Yeah, the foundation can actually give

1182
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,440
us money.

1183
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,840
They could do work in our behalf. And

1184
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,960
Mike is right. You could potentially

1185
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,200
have like, let's say the BLM apply for a

1186
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,840
grant to do a trail project and the

1187
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,520
foundation to do a trail project. I

1188
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640
would hope it would never do this.

1189
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,400
But, I guess there's potential that

1190
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,880
somebody could do that and they're both

1191
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,840
working on the same trail and the BLM's

1192
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,520
bringing their money to it and the

1193
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,000
foundation's bringing their money to it.

1194
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,720
Uh that could happen. I hope that it

1195
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,280
would never happen. It would just be

1196
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,240
either the BLM applies for it or the

1197
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,120
foundation applies for it.

1198
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,720
You know, like Cricket Mountain Cricket

1199
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,160
Mountain's OHV trail system right now,

1200
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,760
the foundation applied for the grant.

1201
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,080
I'm actually the project manager working

1202
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,960
with the Fillmore Field Office.

1203
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,840
They're purchasing the materials and

1204
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,440
we're coordinating the work and putting

1205
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,680
the materials on the ground to update

1206
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,920
that.

1207
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,480
They're not actually giving us money.

1208
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,280
They're not paying us or

1209
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,440
they're just paying for the materials

1210
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,600
with the grant funding.

1211
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,120
>> But all of that also is going to be set

1212
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,000
out in the in the application materials

1213
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,480
and stuff. I mean, if we see an

1214
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,840
application where two different entities

1215
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,600
working on the same part of the trail

1216
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,200
that looked like they could possibly

1217
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,280
overlap, then absolutely that's

1218
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,400
something that DWR looks at as a very

1219
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,560
baseline initial determination and we

1220
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,360
would reach out and get that information

1221
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,920
and stuff.

1222
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,040
I was I have to tell you guys, I have

1223
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,640
been thoroughly impressed by the

1224
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Foundation for America's Public Lands.

1225
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
The The projects that they have done um

1226
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,920
throughout the state and stuff and

1227
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,160
throughout um

1228
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,960
all of the other states where they've,

1229
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,240
you know, contributed. I mean, they're

1230
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:26,720
just doing some really cool stuff. So,

1231
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:27,080
>> Yeah.

1232
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,160
>> I'm a fan. I got to tell you.

1233
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,360
>> Yeah, I mean,

1234
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,640
I think it's great thing. I just think

1235
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,840
that we need to just make sure that we keep track of where it's going

1236
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,520
and uh just uh

1237
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,600
you know, make sure that

1238
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,800
>> Yeah, absolutely.

1239
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,040
>> two hands in the same pot, I guess.

1240
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,840
>> And part of that is what Brett was

1241
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,720
talking about is that if we if we start

1242
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,920
getting, you know, invoices and and

1243
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,240
stuff and they look hinky or, you know,

1244
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:56,760
it's for the same stuff or they're

1245
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,360
duplicated, that's after that scoring

1246
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,200
process when eligible grant has been

1247
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,120
formed and stuff and we do kind of

1248
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000
these, you know, little audits and stuff

1249
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,120
and look for things. That is all part of

1250
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,080
that process. But, um

1251
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,440
at the you know, when you're determining

1252
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,160
eligibility, this is a different part of

1253
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,320
that process.

1254
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,000
>> Yeah.

1255
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
>> But, I agree with you all. Yes, I think

1256
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,120
it's very, very important that um DOR

1257
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,600
continues to ensure that the monies are

1258
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,640
spent in the way in which the uh

1259
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,280
the application and the project dictates

1260
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,680
that they were spent. And that's why

1261
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,560
they, you know, spread

1262
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,000
they separate out their budget. And, you

1263
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,080
know, we get those receipts. And so,

1264
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,600
there's an entire internal process that

1265
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,160
also happens at that stage.

1266
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,160
>> Good. Sounds good.

1267
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,800
Thanks, Mike. Uh Scott, you've got your

1268
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:54,110
hand up.

1269
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,240
Yes, you.

1270
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,040
>> Uh I have a comment and a question. The

1271
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,160
key to this is a follow-up on it. All

1272
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,640
you have to do is follow up and see what

1273
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,920
they're doing. And if somebody did that,

1274
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,440
you'd be able to tell whether or not

1275
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,800
that they were following through with

1276
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,000
it. So,

1277
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000
uh but on that note, I have a question.

1278
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Uh I I understand this group actually

1279
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,040
takes a percentage

1280
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,080
from the grant money to help fund

1281
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,000
themselves. So, do you know what that

1282
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,600
amount is?

1283
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:22,880
>> That's going to vary depending on the

1284
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,360
application. That will be laid out in

1285
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,240
their budget.

1286
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:25,760
>> Yep.

1287
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:26,600
>> Yes.

1288
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,240
>> They have to disclose that.

1289
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,760
>> And the advisory council can look at

1290
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,640
that on a case-by-case basis and decide

1291
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,320
whether it's appropriate or not to

1292
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,720
support any amount of administrative

1293
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:37,240
costs.

1294
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,040
>> Because the state does the same thing.

1295
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,960
When we get grant monies, if we're

1296
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,480
allowed to, there's a

1297
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,040
there's usually there is often a

1298
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,200
provision that says that if an division

1299
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,120
has to needs to provide administrative

1300
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,120
and staff support for a grant program

1301
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,720
that they can take some of that money

1302
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:59,920
and use that for that purpose as well.

1303
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,520
>> Okay, the question I have is it 50%? Is

1304
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,800
it 25%? I'm just asking it'd be nice to

1305
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,360
know

1306
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,720
you know it

1307
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,120
That would be if it's 10%

1308
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:11,320
>> It's in the application.

1309
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440
>> be based on what they what they put in

1310
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,920
the application. There's no magic number

1311
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,320
or threshold amount that the the

1312
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,480
advisory council looks at and says, "Oh,

1313
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,320
what? They want 15% for administrative?

1314
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,440
Well, I don't like that because our you

1315
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,840
know, we see a lot of them that are more

1316
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,280
like 5%."

1317
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,640
That would be up to the advisory council

1318
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,680
to evaluate that as a criteria for for

1319
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:31,840
its merit.

1320
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,960
>> I'll tell you as an attorney if I see

1321
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,960
over 10% I start to get worried. If I

1322
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,680
see 10% or under, ideally 5% and under,

1323
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,760
then that's just objectively fairly

1324
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,160
reasonable as an administrative cost

1325
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,080
because there are a lot of indirect

1326
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,760
costs.

1327
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,520
>> So, the reason I bring that up is the

1328
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,120
grant application before didn't state

1329
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,520
that at all. We had to ask that. And so,

1330
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,800
I

1331
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,880
I'm not sure. I I'm okay with them

1332
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,680
getting some type of a fee in there, but

1333
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,040
I just want to make sure it's

1334
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,160
reasonable.

1335
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,800
>> Yeah, if it if it's different than what

1336
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,360
their grant application said then it'd

1337
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,640
be in breach and not able to use the

1338
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,160
funds for that. So,

1339
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,880
>> I don't believe the grant application

1340
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,440
said anything about administrative fees.

1341
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,000
That was brought up later. And uh so,

1342
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,760
that would be a key in that that it

1343
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,640
would be nice to know that and it'd be

1344
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,960
part of the application that 5%, 10%, or

1345
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,720
20% was used for administrative costs on

1346
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:33,200
that.

1347
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
>> Yeah, on the on the Moab grant there was

1348
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,600
indirect cost. For the Cricket Mountains

1349
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,480
they didn't charge an indirect

1350
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,040
direct cost. asked. And it was right

1351
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,800
around 10% for um the MoLab project.

1352
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:47,920
>> So,

1353
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,080
eligibility-wise, we will not pay for

1354
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,280
indirect costs, but for

1355
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,320
administering the grant, we do allow

1356
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,760
that, but yeah, it we don't expect it to

1357
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,520
be high. Right now, we don't have a

1358
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,920
percentage in there. If you would like a

1359
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,520
percentage, we could definitely do that.

1360
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,680
>> Yeah, maybe I misphrased that.

1361
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,160
>> Yeah, I would exercise some caution,

1362
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,880
though. I think that we would need to do

1363
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,160
that through like a rule, and we would

1364
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,080
probably need to really discuss because,

1365
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,480
like you said, if they're asking for 10%

1366
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,400
in one case and then they're asking for

1367
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,440
0% in the other in another case,

1368
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,960
you know, I think they probably I mean,

1369
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040
I I give people the benefit of the doubt

1370
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,600
until they can and if they can show me

1371
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,440
the documentation and do all the

1372
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,440
documentation as to why they need that

1373
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,480
10%, then I think sometimes that is

1374
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,760
incredibly reasonable.

1375
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,560
>> And sometimes the administrative costs

1376
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,160
is overseeing employees who are, you

1377
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,040
know, it's

1378
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,000
overseeing the project as a whole. It's

1379
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
not just the paperwork that goes into

1380
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,480
it.

1381
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,800
>> Yeah, it it Yeah, it That's a That's

1382
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,520
kind of a different conversation, too,

1383
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,960
is these administrative costs and what

1384
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,400
counts as direct or indirect costs and

1385
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:58,920
what are allowed and what are not

1386
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,760
allowed. But, generally speaking, those

1387
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,240
are very low.

1388
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,920
>> Well, my job as a council member is to

1389
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,720
make sure that we get the most out of

1390
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,560
the funds that are available that hit

1391
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,400
the ground, and so that would be a

1392
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,520
concern from my from my perspective and

1393
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,600
from I would think every council member

1394
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,480
is to make sure we get the most out of

1395
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,160
what we're we're we're allocating.

1396
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,040
>> Yeah, I think that's, you know, very

1397
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,480
reasonable and understandable and very

1398
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,430
fiscally responsible. So, well done.

1399
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,040
» Thanks, Scott. Uh Brody, you've got your

1400
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,320
hand up.

1401
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,480
>> Mine's just simple, but uh in our

1402
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,200
Richfield meeting we talked about maybe

1403
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,040
having the foundation come and present

1404
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,880
the next time they put in for a grant,

1405
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,560
what whatever size it may be.

1406
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,440
That way we could get to know them and

1407
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,120
maybe have a few minutes to ask a few

1408
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,480
other questions. Would that be a

1409
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,680
possibility?

1410
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,600
>> Yeah, the guy that we will talk with,

1411
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,760
his name's David Zang. He's out of

1412
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Sacramento. He's a great guy. He runs

1413
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,280
He's an attorney. He runs all of their

1414
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,280
kind of outreach stuff and I've had a

1415
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,480
number of conversations. I actually even

1416
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,840
drove out to to Sacramento and um

1417
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,720
just cuz we were on the way down to a

1418
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:20,920
family vacation. So, um they are

1419
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,640
incredibly willing, able, and helpful,

1420
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,360
and reasonable, and very much want to

1421
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,680
give you guys the money. If they Their

1422
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,360
perspective was if they didn't give this

1423
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,800
money to you, they were going to give it

1424
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,440
to another state. So, I think if I call

1425
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,640
David and ask him to come back out here,

1426
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,400
he he was just here about a month ago,

1427
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,200
um that he would be more than happy to

1428
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,360
give you guys a presentation, to talk

1429
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,760
about what they are and what they do.

1430
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,880
>> I think that would be awesome.

1431
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,400
>> I I honestly, like with with some of

1432
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,200
these foundations, um they have been so

1433
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,520
incredibly helpful, straightforward,

1434
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,560
upright, and just willing to bend over

1435
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,320
backwards to meet our requirements. So,

1436
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,600
quite frankly, um there are there are

1437
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,960
OHV user groups that I am more concerned

1438
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,640
about, I would say, than I am concerned

1439
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:23,590
about this particular uh institution.

1440
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,360
» Thanks Brody. You had your hand

1441
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,320
>> Yeah.

1442
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080
>> You had something.

1443
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,440
>> Yeah, real real quick, and and then we

1444
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,360
probably need to move on, Jason. This

1445
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,080
has been very good. I just want the

1446
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,480
council to know I have met with David um

1447
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,240
Zhang and had a very good conversation

1448
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,480
with him.

1449
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:42,720
Um

1450
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,520
I've talked to him several times,

1451
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,240
actually. Once in person. We are kind of

1452
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,200
working a joint project right now down

1453
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,640
in Cedar City. A really great OHP

1454
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,520
project. Um and just so you know, too,

1455
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,440
they are heavily funded by Polaris.

1456
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,880
jumps in a lot of money to help

1457
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,920
this foundation. So

1458
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,880
I I'm with Nicole. I'm pretty solid with

1459
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,200
these guys.

1460
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,120
>> Thank you, Wade. I have the same um

1461
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,400
appreciation for David Zhang and I just

1462
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,200
think he is so fun and easy to work with

1463
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,040
and the the amount and level of

1464
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,240
dedication and the Polaris stuff. I'll

1465
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,440
go ahead and if it's okay with you guys

1466
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,640
with the OHR, I can send you the news

1467
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,360
articles that they sent about that

1468
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,440
partnership cuz it's really neat to see.

1469
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,560
>> We're actually going to be It's my

1470
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,680
understanding that we're working on a

1471
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,080
press release right now.

1472
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:33,840
>> Great. Okay.

1473
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,360
>> So we'll actually be putting out a press

1474
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,000
release through

1475
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,280
our name, but yeah, if you want to share

1476
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,360
it and then

1477
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000
>> Yeah. So I just have one more thing to

1478
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,040
talk about, but this is it's going to be

1479
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,440
about trail cams. So if anybody else has

1480
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,400
any other questions about eligibility, I

1481
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,280
think it's like a speak now or forever

1482
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,880
hold your peace. Well, not really. If

1483
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,440
you continue to have questions, I'll be

1484
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,920
more than happy to answer them to the

1485
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,110
best of my ability.

1486
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,760
But is everybody feel a little more

1487
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,080
comfortable with kind of understanding

1488
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,600
this back um kind of the back end

1489
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,990
process?

1490
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,440
Good. Okay. So hearing no comments, I

1491
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,360
will move to the last thing.

1492
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,720
Trail cameras in Utah law. So if you

1493
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,120
guys remember, we had a grant request

1494
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,680
for I think it was $6,900 in Sevier

1495
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,240
County and part of that request, $600 of

1496
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,080
it, were to put up trail cameras to

1497
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,160
monitor trail usage.

1498
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,160
In order to have in Utah, in order to

1499
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,320
have trail cameras on public lands year

1500
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,480
round, we need to comply with the

1501
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,830
requirements of UCA 23A-5-307,

1502
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,520
which is a DWR, Department of Wildlife

1503
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,080
Resources code. And the reason why trail

1504
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,920
cameras are in that code is because Utah

1505
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,080
owns all of the wildlife in Utah, and

1506
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Utah is very concerned about improper

1507
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,320
takings of wildlife. So, there's there's

1508
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,600
kind of a political element here, and we

1509
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,280
don't really need to get into that. Um,

1510
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,800
but the the easiest, best, and I in my

1511
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,920
opinion, best, easiest, and most

1512
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,160
efficient way forward is to comply with

1513
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,680
this law, which just means that we need

1514
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,440
to enter into an MOU um with DWR,

1515
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,120
between DWR and DOR, and we will work

1516
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,360
out all of the details of that. It is

1517
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,960
currently being drafted. It is not in a

1518
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,440
position which I can share with you guys

1519
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,240
today, but I certainly it's going to be

1520
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,760
there pretty soon. And just to let you

1521
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,280
know, um since this law passed, and it's

1522
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,880
relatively recent law, um

1523
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,360
DWR has been doing these MOUs now with

1524
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,680
all different kinds of entities and

1525
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,880
agencies. So, the last one what that

1526
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
they did most recently was with UDOT for

1527
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,880
traffic cameras, because traffic cameras

1528
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,960
sometimes overlook wildlife management

1529
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,880
areas, and sometimes capture um

1530
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,400
you know, wildlife. So, that's the

1531
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,760
solution, and then we can go ahead and

1532
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,307
just move forward.

1533
01:01:11,317 --> 01:01:12,080
» [clears throat]

1534
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,120
>> Sounds good.

1535
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,040
>> Yeah, great.

1536
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,000
Any questions or concerns on that one?

1537
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,800
>> Yeah, is there any issues with privacy

1538
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,640
on that one?

1539
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,280
>> Which kind of privacy? The animals?

1540
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,200
I mean, I I haven't heard any complaints

1541
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,240
from the animals, but

1542
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,800
>> People People being filmed.

1543
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,967
>> Sorry, guys. It's late. I'm tired.

1544
01:01:30,967 --> 01:01:31,680
>> [laughter]

1545
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,000
>> Not from a legal perspective, because

1546
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,640
they're in a public place.

1547
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,040
>> Yeah.

1548
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,520
>> There might be a social element to it,

1549
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:37,920
but

1550
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,240
>> So, this is These are trail cameras on

1551
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,480
public land, okay? So, that's a little

1552
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,440
bit different. It I think that there are certain situations in which

1553
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,720
people put trail cameras on private

1554
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,280
land, and then it's overlooking public

1555
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,120
land, and there's some Again, this is a

1556
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,440
very political uh there are some

1557
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,280
constitutional issues here. There are

1558
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,880
all kinds of things, but for our

1559
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,000
purposes, this is how we have to do it.

1560
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,320
This is the only path forward that we

1561
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,720
can do it, and if we choose not to do it

1562
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,840
this way, um unfortunately, I don't see

1563
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,480
another path forward without getting a

1564
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,520
foul of this law,

1565
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,400
which would prohibit cameras for 6

1566
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,040
months out of the year,

1567
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,320
basically. So,

1568
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,520
>> Let's just get the MOU and move forward

1569
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:25,560
and be happy.

1570
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:26,280
>> Yep.

1571
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,920
That was my perspective on it, but

1572
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:34,670
I'm always open to anybody else's.

1573
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,320
Hey, you guys. I know that this has been

1574
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,200
a lot, and I know that this isn't the

1575
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,720
most um

1576
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,400
This can be a little dry, but I really

1577
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,280
do appreciate your attention. I

1578
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,320
appreciate the questions. I appreciate

1579
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,800
the detail. I appreciate the care with

1580
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,000
which you are exercising your statutory

1581
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,720
duties and your dedication to outdoor

1582
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,640
recreation, and I really, really

1583
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,480
appreciate that you guys were willing to

1584
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,560
let me just talk with you about this.

1585
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,000
So, thank you very much. I am done.

1586
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,590
>> Excellent. Thank you, Nicole.

1587
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,520
Okay, we'll move on to the next item on

1588
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,440
our agenda. This is item number five,

1589
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,200
OHP Advisory Council Member

1590
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,480
Applications. We've got applications for

1591
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,600
the dealership uh position, as well as

1592
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,880
the snowmobile position

1593
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,680
on the council.

1594
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,800
Um we've had a chance to review these

1595
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,440
applicants.

1596
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:27,440
Um

1597
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,560
we'll let uh Rachel pull them up and

1598
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:31,840
um

1599
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,200
I I'm just going to open it up to just

1600
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,960
discussion on these applicants and then

1601
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,920
we'll

1602
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,520
get to come to some sort of a consensus.

1603
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:41,480
Let's

1604
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,720
um

1605
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,080
try to go through these briefly. Rachel,

1606
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,760
do you have the ability to pull them up

1607
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:48,840
and

1608
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,600
just give a brief

1609
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,960
um

1610
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,400
this is who they are and where they're

1611
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,240
from and who they represent.

1612
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,680
>> Yes. So

1613
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,760
>> And how much time do we have to do this

1614
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:00,640
in?

1615
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:01,400
>> Oh.

1616
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:02,360
Okay.

1617
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,960
So right off the bat right now, we have

1618
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,120
technically we have 20 minutes set

1619
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,960
aside, but we are behind schedule

1620
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,920
a little bit. So um keep that in mind.

1621
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,480
So for the first one, dealership

1622
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,480
application, it's for five individuals.

1623
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,720
Um

1624
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,160
Let's go here.

1625
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:20,920
So the first one is Charlie Stevenson.

1626
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,280
He's based out of Cedar City. Hold on.

1627
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,560
I'm actually going to find a redacted

1628
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,630
version that does not list their

1629
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:29,760
Sorry.

1630
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,049
Stay tuned.

1631
01:04:33,059 --> 01:04:43,630
» [clears throat]

1632
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,600
» Can I pull that back?

1633
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,480
So Jason just whispered to Rachel,

1634
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,960
"You're going to jail."

1635
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,670
I'm trying to be respectful.

1636
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,480
So what Rachel's trying to do, she's

1637
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,040
being very kind to me and so one of the

1638
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,760
things that we're doing is kind of going

1639
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,520
through with the data privacy laws that

1640
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,400
have passed and we're trying to present some of this stuff in a public

1641
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,400
meeting in a way that may be a little

1642
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:08,600
bit um

1643
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,120
little bit more conscientious about um

1644
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,280
some of this stuff. so this is my fault.

1645
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,600
Not Rachel's.

1646
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,240
>> Okay, thank you everyone. Okay, so the

1647
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,760
first one is Charlie Stevenson. He's

1648
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,920
based out of Cedar City.

1649
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,590
Um

1650
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,480
It looks like there are letters from

1651
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,700
Marilyn Wood

1652
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:31,000
>> [clears throat]

1653
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,760
>> who is the former Iron County

1654
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:33,960
Commissioner.

1655
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,920
We also have uh Sam Steed who is the

1656
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,200
Piute County Commissioner.

1657
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,720
And then Mike Werden uh who's the former

1658
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,000
natural resources specialist as well as

1659
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,600
Brett Stewart.

1660
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,080
So that is

1661
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,480
Charlie.

1662
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,240
The next one is

1663
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,520
>> Which district

1664
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,360
did he represent?

1665
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,240
>> That's a good question.

1666
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,800
>> Triple S out of Cedar City.

1667
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,040
Um okay, thank you.

1668
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,480
>> Triple S out of Cedar City, thank you.

1669
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,200
So the next one is Jared Oldham. He's

1670
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:12,040
based out of Spanish Fork.

1671
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,120
Let's see.

1672
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,200
It's been a few days since I've read

1673
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,830
these.

1674
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:20,680
Um

1675
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,120
where's Does anyone know off the top of

1676
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,680
their head who Jared represents?

1677
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,800
>> Yes, Rocky Mountain ATV.

1678
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,360
>> Thank you. Okay, so there's a letter

1679
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,280
from Eric Nelson uh

1680
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,000
from the Winter Trail Council.

1681
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,200
And I believe that is the only letter of

1682
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,480
support. Then we have Kimberly Black.

1683
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,280
She's based out of Kamas. She is with

1684
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,110
Well Recreation.

1685
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,760
We have a letter from Chase Peeley.

1686
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,560
The Utah Snowmobile Association. So Cody

1687
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,790
Sargent.

1688
01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:00,110
And Nanette Bush.

1689
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:04,120
And then we have Lacy Lacy Warner and

1690
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:14,630
she's also based out of Cedar City.

1691
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:20,590
Okay.

1692
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,320
I do not know who this is by or

1693
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,000
>> That is the vice president of the Cedar

1694
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,280
City ATV Club. So.

1695
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,200
>> Okay.

1696
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,360
Thank you.

1697
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,720
We also have a letter from the Tushar

1698
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,720
Mountain ATV Club.

1699
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,480
And then Randy with Duck Creek Village

1700
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,720
Legacy Project as well.

1701
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,160
And Jared Anderson

1702
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,560
from

1703
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,720
SUU.

1704
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,040
>> Josh Anderson.

1705
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,200
>> Thank you. Josh Anderson. And so she

1706
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,360
works with D&P Performance.

1707
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,360
And then lastly, William Shannon

1708
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,280
Chambers. She's from They are from

1709
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,080
Benson, Utah.

1710
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,480
Apologies on the

1711
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,840
pronoun error.

1712
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,800
>> So, Bill Chambers represents

1713
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,240
North Star Polaris. He has a Polaris

1714
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,560
dealership in Logan and one in Franklin,

1715
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,200
Idaho.

1716
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,080
>> Thank you. And so there's a letter of

1717
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,600
support from Top of Utah Snowmobile

1718
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,720
Association with Michael Michael Balch.

1719
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,240
And then a letter from Corey Argyle,

1720
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,600
who's the president of the Franklin

1721
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:26,110
County High Markers.

1722
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,960
And then so those are the five.

1723
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:30,960
I don't know if you're happy if I wrote

1724
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,792
them all down.

1725
01:08:32,792 --> 01:08:36,110
>> [clears throat]

1726
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,160
» Is there

1727
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,960
I'll I'll give it back to you, Jason.

1728
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,000
>> Okay. Any questions or

1729
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,160
points of discussion on these five as

1730
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,120
you guys have reviewed them? What are

1731
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,600
your

1732
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,120
thoughts and impressions?

1733
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,359
>> This is Brody. I'd like to just put a

1734
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,279
plug in for Lacy with D&P.

1735
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,000
Lacy

1736
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,040
and all of her Uh, employees have been

1737
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,440
working on the weekends up at Duck

1738
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,680
Creek, uh, getting They've actually been

1739
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,319
removing trees, fixing trails, things

1740
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,120
like that. Uh,

1741
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,520
and this is all in those letters, but

1742
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,759
uh, they've also been

1743
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:19,200
uh, they they host a yearly ATV Jamboree

1744
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:20,920
over in uh,

1745
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,120
Ruby's Inn.

1746
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,440
They're averaging 350 people coming from

1747
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:28,440
within and outside the state every year.

1748
01:09:28,440 --> 01:09:30,600
And uh, and and then she also does a lot

1749
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,960
for just the community as a whole. She's

1750
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,000
very involved in all aspects of the

1751
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,200
community from raising funds for uh,

1752
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,359
there's a couple of kids in uh, the area

1753
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:42,240
that have had cancer, so they've raised

1754
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,640
funds from their Jamboree and personally

1755
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,400
uh, to to help support some of those

1756
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,799
kids over the years. So, very good

1757
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:54,120
person, very she's very community-minded

1758
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,960
and just an outgoing person, just an

1759
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,150
awesome person.

1760
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,320
» Okay.

1761
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:02,960
>> I don't personally

1762
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,920
know any of these, so I'd really like to

1763
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,960
hear if

1764
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,720
other people on the council, if they

1765
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,040
have

1766
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:10,800
uh,

1767
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:17,350
opinions and know any of these guys. So.

1768
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:18,600
» Brody, what do you know about Charlie

1769
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:19,960
Stevenson?

1770
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,280
>> Is this a closed hearing?

1771
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,640
>> No.

1772
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,800
>> Uh, then I'd prefer not to say.

1773
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:32,190
>> Okay.

1774
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,200
» Hey Hey Rachel.

1775
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,560
>> Yes.

1776
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,920
>> Do you exclude AI in these applications?

1777
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:45,200
Because some of them were you know, very well written and very long.

1778
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,960
And

1779
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:47,920
I

1780
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,880
I'd almost prefer their own personal

1781
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,640
language as opposed to AI doing this for

1782
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,480
them. And so, is there an exclusion for

1783
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,760
not using AI for these applications?

1784
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:00,600
>> That was not included in as part of the

1785
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,200
application. Um

1786
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:04,680
So, just to have a

1787
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,800
>> Can I just comment real quickly? So, one

1788
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,160
of the challenges with doing something

1789
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,320
like saying you can't use AI to draft

1790
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,200
language and stuff is that um we already

1791
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,520
do and we have been using that for a

1792
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,120
really, really long time. So, like AI

1793
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,360
for example, when I did my slides, AI

1794
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,960
was the one that helped me do the

1795
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,720
designs for them, right? So, either it's

1796
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,800
so if you hated them, you can blame AI

1797
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,200
and if you loved them, then it was all

1798
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,680
my work. But it it is it's kind of an

1799
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,920
interesting um it's a very interesting

1800
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,880
kind of way in which the world is now

1801
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,880
moving forward. Um but I I think it

1802
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,240
would be very challenging to just

1803
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,440
prohibit any type of AI because Google

1804
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,880
is AI. Um so, technically, we you know,

1805
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,800
we've all been using it for for years

1806
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,160
and years and years.

1807
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,120
>> I don't know if that I would have to

1808
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:02,640
tell them

1809
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:03,600
>> Yeah, you can write

1810
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,480
>> whether it's AI or not. I mean, if you do think that one of these is AI

1811
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:07,640
and you think that's not appropriate,

1812
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,200
certainly weigh in and

1813
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,920
um make make your opinion known about

1814
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,080
it. I think that's appropriate.

1815
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,800
>> Yes, absolutely. But but we can't say

1816
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,520
you can't use AI. Now, you can say

1817
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,480
something if you guys would like

1818
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:19,680
>> Right.

1819
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,680
>> Like like would yeah, like like we we

1820
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,800
appreciate that, you know, we we really

1821
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,840
like to hear from you, you know, with in

1822
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,160
your own words about what your

1823
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,960
contributions can be. Something like

1824
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,840
that would absolutely be okay.

1825
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,520
>> And we can also ask them to disclose, if

1826
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,280
you did use AI, we would like to know.

1827
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:39,640
>> Yeah.

1828
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:40,800
>> And that would be a good filter.

1829
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,920
>> Yeah. And I think that going forward,

1830
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,640
probably including something like that

1831
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,640
would be beneficial. But I also would

1832
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,320
like to state that there's people in our

1833
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,240
office that are very detailed writers.

1834
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,480
So, just because it's detailed doesn't

1835
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:55,120
mean it's AI. Um it's There's people

1836
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,800
have different writing styles. Usually

1837
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,760
you can tell with AI, but you know,

1838
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,120
sometimes people also use a little bit

1839
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:01,000
more

1840
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:02,640
flowery language. So, it can really be

1841
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,680
hit or miss. So, I think making the

1842
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:07,000
assumption especially without being

1843
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,640
known right now, it's could be it it

1844
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,520
isn't unfair.

1845
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,160
So, going forward I will definitely

1846
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,720
include that, but

1847
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,520
for this one I don't know if we can make

1848
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,200
an assumption in that regard.

1849
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,600
>> Nicole, you had your hand up.

1850
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,360
>> Yeah, I think it's kind of been covered,

1851
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,000
but I would say even just

1852
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:28,680
something as simple as spell check is

1853
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,720
probably considered AI and it's

1854
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:31,760
something that

1855
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,095
I know I couldn't live without.

1856
01:13:34,095 --> 01:13:35,040
>> [laughter]

1857
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:35,520
>> Yeah.

1858
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,120
but you could say something where

1859
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,640
you would prefer you could ask them, you

1860
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:41,440
know, when you're doing your narrative,

1861
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:43,080
you would prefer that they do it in

1862
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,000
their own words instead of um

1863
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:47,320
you know, uh

1864
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,480
yeah, like yeah, I think if you get one

1865
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:51,480
and you're really really concerned about

1866
01:13:51,480 --> 01:13:53,240
it, then that's one of those trust but

1867
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,080
verify things that that we could do.

1868
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,200
>> What I'm saying is very difficult when

1869
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,680
you read these to determine who to put

1870
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,440
in those positions if you don't know

1871
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:04,400
them and or you're not been hanging out

1872
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,280
with them or got some background

1873
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,080
information because

1874
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,200
AI is not that person. It's somebody

1875
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:12,400
else.

1876
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,640
And so uh it's very difficult to

1877
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,240
determine that and so um I I read these

1878
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,920
applications probably five times and I

1879
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,160
still I'm still struggling who to put in

1880
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,030
what position.

1881
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,520
» Were Were there any

1882
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,390
suspect used AI then, Scott?

1883
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,400
» You know what? I I I don't know how we

1884
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,640
get around it because it's everywhere

1885
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,720
and I I would I'd like to just

1886
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,600
these applications are, you know,

1887
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,800
they don't need to be as long as they are. Just make them three or four

1888
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,120
sentences or a paragraph as opposed to a

1889
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,520
whole page.

1890
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:53,800
>> You're right.

1891
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,440
Yep. I think you're absolutely right,

1892
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:57,160
Scott. So, I would use that as criteria

1893
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,040
to evaluate these. If they're

1894
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,280
too wordy, then do you want somebody

1895
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:02,680
who's going to take up lots of time in

1896
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,240
the meetings and that's their style?

1897
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,440
That's up to you to decide.

1898
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:07,840
>> Scott, do you want somebody that's too

1899
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,726
wordy in the meetings?

1900
01:15:09,726 --> 01:15:11,600
>> [laughter]

1901
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,480
>> No, but I'm here, so you guys are in

1902
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:16,590
trouble already.

1903
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,120
» All right, Mike.

1904
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,640
>> Does anybody know Jared Oldham or Will

1905
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,630
Chambers?

1906
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:25,920
» Mike, I I know I can just tell you my

1907
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,960
experience with uh Bill Chambers.

1908
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,080
Um

1909
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,920
last fall I I wanted to have a meeting

1910
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,400
with the single track guys up there in

1911
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,120
Logan cuz they don't really have a club

1912
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,040
or an organization.

1913
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,000
And and he's the guy I reached out to.

1914
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,520
He's a Husqvarna dealer as well. And he

1915
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,440
opened up his business. He um

1916
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:49,400
I bet he brought in 40 motorcycle guys

1917
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:50,840
throughout Cache Valley to come and

1918
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,120
listen to me talk with them.

1919
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,720
Um he's very engaged in both snowmobile

1920
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:02,950
and off-road.

1921
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,400
» Yeah. Thank you.

1922
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,400
>> So, sorry, real quick. Rachel and I are

1923
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,000
looking through some of these because

1924
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,040
unfortunately now I'm becoming a little

1925
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,480
bit of an expert in recognizing AI and

1926
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,800
it does look like there are some places

1927
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:19,640
in which um AI may have been used

1928
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,680
um to draft the the the responses. There

1929
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,400
are some that definitely AI wasn't used.

1930
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,120
So, you know, one of the things you

1931
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,480
might want to you might consider is just

1932
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:34,710
like a word limit.

1933
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,000
» That's what we've done within the

1934
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,840
applications. So, this was done through,

1935
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,880
you know, as a state agency, we have to

1936
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,000
use Qualtrics when it comes to surveys.

1937
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,600
I'm unsure if there's word counts that

1938
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,680
we can implement, but

1939
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:47,960
I think that's a great way going

1940
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:48,800
forward.

1941
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,400
>> Well, I think yeah, you're right. I

1942
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,680
think though if you said in 50 so words

1943
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,240
or less and then you just you can just

1944
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:56,800
And the other thing is is if you guys

1945
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,400
are I mean

1946
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,680
there are programs that can recognize

1947
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,080
AI, but I don't know how helpful that's

1948
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,440
going to be.

1949
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,680
I think this is kind of the new normal.

1950
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,390
I'm going to have to tell you guys.

1951
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,920
» Did anybody reach out to any of these

1952
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:14,800
applicants?

1953
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:22,790
>> Yeah.

1954
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,560
» Well, I've had I've had conversation

1955
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,400
with Lacey. I can tell you that you know, she's she's known about

1956
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,160
the council for a long time. She's very

1957
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,680
interested in what it's about and the

1958
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,360
things that she's written are things

1959
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:38,560
that she really does believe in and

1960
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,440
that's what she promotes. Uh it's not

1961
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,040
something that she just writes down.

1962
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:49,600
She's promoted that. She lives it and so and she believes it.

1963
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,520
>> Do we know if any of these applicants

1964
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,400
have uh helped apply for or been

1965
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:01,270
involved in the OHV grant?

1966
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:01,640
» Sorry.

1967
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,200
>> Um there's several of them I'm sure have

1968
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,320
been involved in helping

1969
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,040
uh not necessarily writing like letters

1970
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:14,040
of support, but in uh provide being the dealer that maybe

1971
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,600
other people that is particularly search

1972
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,120
and rescue has gone to for uh

1973
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,880
machines and supplies, maintenance,

1974
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,480
things like that.

1975
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:22,640
>> Okay.

1976
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,200
>> Could you repeat the question, Jason?

1977
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,240
>> Yeah, my question was is have any of

1978
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,040
these um applicants been directly

1979
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,720
involved uh either as a

1980
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,480
project manager or assistant project

1981
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,960
manager manager or provided letters of

1982
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,320
support for any previous grants.

1983
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,320
>> There's probably been potential letters

1984
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,480
of support because we do tell them to go

1985
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:47,480
to the community, but there's definitely

1986
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:49,720
I feel like the only the majority of the

1987
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,160
communication that's happened with

1988
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,800
applicants and dealerships has have been

1989
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,600
vendor wise. So you know, purchasing as

1990
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,670
Brody said purchasing equipment.

1991
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,120
» So it sounds like

1992
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,240
um

1993
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,320
Brody's putting Lacy up here on a little

1994
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,360
bit of a pedestal.

1995
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:08,800
Um

1996
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,000
>> I I I am and and the reason why is is uh

1997
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,000
she's just a good person. I I just love

1998
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,480
her to death. I think she would be an

1999
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,160
a great advocate.

2000
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,480
And she does work very well with the

2001
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:25,200
other dealers and and so that's kind of

2002
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,080
important. I I think you know, if we're

2003
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,240
looking at the all around, you know,

2004
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:31,880
what are what are they wanting? What are

2005
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,000
they they're wanting people to first

2006
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,000
ride their machines. They want people to

2007
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,600
be safe riding their machines. They want

2008
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,480
people to enjoy that. They want to to

2009
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:44,000
have that relationship with the local

2010
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,720
land managers. Uh and so and and then I

2011
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,920
also think when you look at what they do

2012
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,400
when they're off the clock and and I see

2013
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,600
that all the time uh

2014
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,200
where you know, when when people are out

2015
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,600
doing projects, they're putting they're

2016
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:01,720
putting

2017
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,280
uh

2018
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,120
shovel to ground and chainsaws to trees.

2019
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,640
And they do it on their own time and

2020
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,720
they're not really promoting themselves

2021
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,960
for doing that. And and so that tells me

2022
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,950
a lot, too.

2023
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:15,880
I hope that makes sense.

2024
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,400
>> a comment here. I I have three people in

2025
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,840
here and uh that

2026
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,120
Eric had wrote a separate letter for

2027
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,280
this Jared and Wade's talking about this

2028
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,880
William and Brody's talking about Lacy

2029
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:32,120
and and they all have good support from

2030
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,000
them.

2031
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,680
Uh

2032
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,360
You know, how do we come up with a name?

2033
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,560
Uh

2034
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,880
>> Is there Is there some that's kind of a

2035
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,120
red flag to anybody that we I mean, we

2036
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,120
can eliminate based on their responses

2037
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,440
to the questions?

2038
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:51,000
>> I think if your if your only concern is

2039
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,680
the sales of machines, then that's a

2040
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,000
>> I'm going to I'm going to interrupt real

2041
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,360
quick. I'm sorry, and I'm going to

2042
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,040
interrupt because this is actually a

2043
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:02,200
really important distinction here. So,

2044
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,280
if we're going to start to talk about

2045
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:05,880
someone's like character or

2046
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,880
professionalism and stuff, that's

2047
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,240
something that we can discuss in a

2048
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,120
closed meeting and would definitely be

2049
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,120
more appropriate than discussing it in

2050
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:19,080
an open meeting. There are quite a few

2051
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,960
rules and procedures that we need to do

2052
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,160
in order to go into a closed meeting,

2053
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,200
including some notice provisions and

2054
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,000
stuff. So, what I would um politely

2055
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,880
suggest, and again, I sincerely

2056
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,160
apologize for interrupting. I just want

2057
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,080
to make sure that we're not

2058
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,960
unintentionally doing something that

2059
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,960
would get us into trouble. But, that is

2060
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,520
something that that we can that you guys

2061
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:42,600
as a

2062
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,520
um an advisory committee can talk about

2063
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,200
if you're potentially interested in

2064
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,800
doing that, and then we can do that, you

2065
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,760
know, moving forward.

2066
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,320
>> Do Is that something that we can do in

2067
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,160
this session, or do does that need to be

2068
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,360
an item on the agenda?

2069
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,600
>> Yeah, I I'm a little bit concerned that

2070
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,040
we didn't have any proper notice that we

2071
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:06,720
were closing the meeting, and um that gives me pause. Um and I I would

2072
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,880
feel more comfortable if you guys uh did

2073
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,480
it in a subsequent meeting. But, I also

2074
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,040
think you could have the discussion

2075
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,960
without necessarily going into some of

2076
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,720
those things in a way that is um you

2077
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,800
know, inappropriate. So, I I think it's

2078
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,880
up to to kind of the board and you know,

2079
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,560
to you know, to figure out how you guys

2080
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,000
want to handle it. If you'd like to

2081
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:30,960
go in forward [clears throat] though,

2082
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,640
then we can do that.

2083
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:33,920
>> What you're saying is we just need to go

2084
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,280
off of the questions answered and make

2085
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,360
our evaluations based off of that and

2086
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,560
not [clears throat] necessarily off of

2087
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,000
um

2088
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,600
who they are or who they know or

2089
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,790
anything like that, right?

2090
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,600
» I think you could speak in generalities.

2091
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:49,280
>> Yeah.

2092
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,040
>> Um

2093
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:51,880
you know, somebody's got into detail

2094
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,840
saying why he likes a particular

2095
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,640
applicant. Obviously somebody if there

2096
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,240
is one applicant that somebody doesn't necessarily want to support, you

2097
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,800
could make that known in a general sense

2098
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:01,720
and say that.

2099
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,160
>> You could say something

2100
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:04,600
Yeah, you could say something like I

2101
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,400
just don't feel like they've been

2102
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,840
they're a good fit or um you know,

2103
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,600
something like that I think would be

2104
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:13,200
very reasonable, but I do think if

2105
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,760
you're going to get into specifics that

2106
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,400
we should um notice a closed meeting and

2107
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:21,480
do it that way going forward.

2108
01:23:21,480 --> 01:23:23,800
>> Well, what if we just vote on it? I

2109
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,760
mean, we've we've all done our due

2110
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,200
diligence. What Why don't we just vote?

2111
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,880
>> You know, well you could do that

2112
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,200
certainly just have an open

2113
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:34,680
election. You got to got to decide on

2114
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,160
what the ground rules are, what type of

2115
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:37,600
election you're going to

2116
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,840
selection process you're going to do.

2117
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,160
Or you could do it the uh

2118
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,160
nomination so open nomination someone

2119
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:47,000
anybody could that

2120
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,840
move to nominate a particular candidate

2121
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,280
and then

2122
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,400
there's a number of different ways to do

2123
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,760
it so you definitely need to clarify the

2124
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,280
rules.

2125
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,950
When you call the question

2126
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,520
» Okay, thanks Jason. I mean I think we we

2127
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,680
probably ought to just touch on and

2128
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,000
um

2129
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,720
just identify. I mean, we've we've

2130
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:10,240
looked through these um identifying um

2131
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,440
personal relationships uh or personal

2132
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,040
understanding uh if you know them one by

2133
01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:17,120
one.

2134
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,520
Um

2135
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,600
we've got

2136
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:26,840
Yeah, and I I guess my direction or my ask is if we can narrow this down

2137
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,200
based on what you guys feel is I

2138
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:30,560
looks like there's a few that have come

2139
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,560
to the top of the list and maybe it's

2140
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,040
that we vote on a top two.

2141
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,320
Um

2142
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,920
we haven't talked much about Kimberly or

2143
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,280
Jared.

2144
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,640
Um we've talked a little bit about

2145
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,040
Charlie, Lacy, and Bill.

2146
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,760
Um is there any

2147
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,440
anything that anybody noticed about the

2148
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:51,040
application for Charlie or or Jared or

2149
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,160
Kimberly that stands out that

2150
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:54,520
would maybe bring them to the top of the

2151
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:55,480
list?

2152
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:58,920
>> Uh Jason, I do. I I crossed uh Charlie

2153
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,080
and Kimberly off and I circled the the

2154
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,360
three other people, Jared, Lacy, and

2155
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,400
William. And And from those three I like

2156
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:12,120
I said, I I I I I take a lot out of

2157
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,800
people's opinions of them and their

2158
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:16,840
background information. We do that all

2159
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,720
the time. We ask for advice from people

2160
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,120
and I I I I I give a lot of credit to

2161
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,480
Wade and to Eric and Brody on their

2162
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:28,320
opinions about things. I I I take a lot

2163
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:30,960
of weight on that and so I'm I'm tossed

2164
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,280
between these three three people. So,

2165
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,880
I'm not sure who to vote for, to be

2166
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,440
honest with you. And And maybe all three

2167
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:43,230
of them could do a great job.

2168
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,640
» Does anybody else have any thoughts on

2169
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,040
those on what Scott said?

2170
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:48,840
>> Not to throw another name into the hat,

2171
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,480
but I will say that I've worked closely

2172
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:53,520
with Kim. Um and while recreation's

2173
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,160
great to work with, Kim's been great.

2174
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:57,080
So,

2175
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,440
just she works closely with our uh

2176
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:02,600
division when it comes to all of our

2177
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,320
events that we host. So, our summit

2178
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,240
meetings, they're always there in

2179
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,840
providing and donating to help those uh

2180
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,360
events that we put on.

2181
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,840
>> We just put it on the list. It's been

2182
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,760
We've been on this topic for 22 minutes.

2183
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:16,240
>> Okay, yes. We've also been on this topic

2184
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,880
for 22 minutes. And I was also notified

2185
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,320
by Nicole that if we were to do a poll

2186
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,560
or you send me an email that needs to be

2187
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,360
can

2188
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,200
included into the public notice website

2189
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:31,120
posting as part of the meeting material.

2190
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,480
So, you recommended that we do not do

2191
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:34,920
that.

2192
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,640
So, just that in mind as well.

2193
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,960
>> That we don't do a poll or emailed out.

2194
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,400
So, we just need to So, we probably the

2195
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,720
best thing is nominations and So, it

2196
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,600
sounds like we've got a few that have

2197
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,280
come to the top and

2198
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,160
nominations and vote.

2199
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,360
>> We could do hand raising also. Like I

2200
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,320
could name someone and you know, start

2201
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,880
with the first person and who votes for

2202
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:59,680
those individual, they raise their hand.

2203
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,320
I can record it.

2204
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,640
And we can go on to the next person and

2205
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,840
the next person who has the most votes

2206
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920
will

2207
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,720
become our next dealership rep.

2208
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,360
Or top

2209
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,600
>> You could do it that way. You could even

2210
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,000
somebody could just say, I I I would

2211
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,320
move that we select this person.

2212
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:19,640
And then the chair could recognize a

2213
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,680
motion if there's a second, then you

2214
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,520
could have discussion on it and then and

2215
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,280
then vote. That that it could be as

2216
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:28,400
simple as that, but you know, that's only one other option. Just to

2217
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,560
throw it out there. You don't have to do

2218
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:30,880
that obviously.

2219
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,520
>> Or you could do it for two people the

2220
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,600
way that Jason said, you know, like you

2221
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,360
want to the same way that we do it we

2222
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:38,560
want to with grants where you want to

2223
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,800
allow them to you know, go to the next

2224
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,390
level of consideration.

2225
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,320
» Okay. Um

2226
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,280
I guess that being said, uh any

2227
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,680
preference you guys want to

2228
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,480
uh make a motion or do you want to vote

2229
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,800
go down the names and vote?

2230
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:03,070
Any preference?

2231
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,680
» Let's go down the list and vote and

2232
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,360
maybe just pull out the top two

2233
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,440
and then

2234
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:10,080
go back through and pull out the top

2235
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,240
one.

2236
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,400
>> So, would it be okay to make a motion

2237
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,510
and just do that?

2238
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,920
» I would like to make a motion that we

2239
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,440
go individually through the council

2240
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:24,960
members and identify our top two,

2241
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,160
then

2242
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,200
go through and identify the top one.

2243
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,360
>> Hey, before we vote on that, can I throw

2244
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:34,400
something out? What if you did a loaded

2245
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,280
type of deal? You put a 1 2 3 and then I

2246
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,080
know that complicates it. Maybe that's

2247
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,400
too complicated to do that. So, I'll

2248
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,150
forget it.

2249
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:45,200
» Forgotten.

2250
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:46,600
We've got a motion.

2251
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:53,430
Do we have a second?

2252
01:28:53,440 --> 01:29:00,190
» No seconds on that motion?

2253
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,520
» Jason, with no seconds, maybe you could

2254
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,760
just open it up for a nomination. Um

2255
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,840
open it up for a no- a nomination and if

2256
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,440
all we get is one nomination, then we

2257
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:12,680
vote on that person and

2258
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,280
>> So, so real quick, you guys, and I

2259
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,400
apologize, but this is like a Robert's

2260
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,880
Rule legal thing and so if what you got

2261
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,800
to we still need to do it through a

2262
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,160
motion. So, if you guys would like to

2263
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,120
amend the motion that's currently on the

2264
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,680
table because it didn't get Well, it

2265
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,280
didn't get seconded. I'm sorry. Yeah, I

2266
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,080
failed. I apologize.

2267
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,480
Um yeah, so but we we still need to kind

2268
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:36,240
of do this um through just with the with

2269
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,480
the motion practice that you guys have

2270
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,920
been doing so that there's consistency

2271
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,760
in your approach.

2272
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:46,880
>> Okay, that sounds good. I think that

2273
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,520
>> Jason, can't we just vote just say,

2274
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,520
"Okay, you choose somebody out. You have

2275
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,040
to choose somebody out. Put it down. Put

2276
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,280
the number down."

2277
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,160
>> You're making a motion. Got

2278
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:57,920
>> I'm making a motion right now that we

2279
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,720
just go ahead and vote.

2280
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:00,280
I

2281
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,000
Do I have a second on that?

2282
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,400
>> This is Brody. I make a second on that.

2283
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,160
>> Okay.

2284
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,200
Uh what So, one are the challenges with

2285
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:11,840
that motion, um,

2286
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,880
is I I'm I'm not sure exactly what

2287
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,040
you're voting on. So, could you please

2288
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,760
be a little bit more specific in your

2289
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,320
motion?

2290
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,040
>> The The motion would be that we start

2291
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,840
voting. I could go ahead and say right

2292
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,760
now who I choose. I'm going to vote for

2293
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,560
somebody right now, and we start that,

2294
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,360
and then we go through the council, and

2295
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,000
everybody has a chance to vote. And

2296
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,440
then, whoever has the most of

2297
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:37,160
we could choose that person. If we have

2298
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,720
a tie, then we do another vote.

2299
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,440
>> Okay, is there a second for that motion?

2300
01:30:42,440 --> 01:30:45,640
>> This is Brody. I second that motion.

2301
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,760
>> Okay, any discussion? Oh, sorry, Jason.

2302
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:48,880
I'm taking over for you. I'm going to

2303
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,640
give it to back to you.

2304
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:51,680
Sorry, Jason.

2305
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,480
>> Thanks, Nicole. Okay, we have a motion

2306
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:56,000
made by Scott, seconded by Brody.

2307
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,360
Um, all those in favor of voting for

2308
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:01,520
the

2309
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,640
dealership representative, say I.

2310
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,160
>> I.

2311
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:07,600
>> So, I want a roll call on this one,

2312
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,720
definitely. Sorry, buddy. This is

2313
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:11,760
important.

2314
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,440
>> Let me pull up my, uh, list here. Uh,

2315
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:17,310
Brett?

2316
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:18,840
» I.

2317
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:19,880
>> Brody?

2318
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,360
>> I.

2319
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,240
>> David?

2320
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:24,520
>> No one voting.

2321
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:26,160
>> Okay. Mike?

2322
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:27,920
>> I.

2323
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:29,640
>> Nicole?

2324
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:30,800
>> Yes.

2325
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:35,670
>> Russ?

2326
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,080
» Uh, I'm going to abstain from voting.

2327
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:40,360
>> Sheriff?

2328
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,360
>> Yes.

2329
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,960
>> And I'll vote yes, as well.

2330
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:52,120
Okay. That being said, um,

2331
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,840
we'll have

2332
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,360
>> Do you want me to start?

2333
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,040
>> Rachel, go down the list.

2334
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,000
>> Jason, just make a ruling that motion

2335
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,280
passed.

2336
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,960
>> Okay. That That motion passed.

2337
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,640
Unanim- Unanimous.

2338
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,910
>> Um

2339
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,520
Okay, so

2340
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,040
>> Play with two abstentions.

2341
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:15,840
Oh, it's not voting. Oh, sorry, one

2342
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,600
non-voting and one non- one abstention.

2343
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,680
>> Okay, thank you.

2344
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:26,630
So, let's go down the list. Um

2345
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:30,280
Voting um if you want to vote for

2346
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,520
Charlie Stevenson.

2347
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,120
Uh

2348
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:35,640
stay

2349
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:37,160
Let's

2350
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,080
>> Jason, I wasn't talking about doing it

2351
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,080
that way. I was saying you just asked me

2352
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,080
who I'm going to vote for and I'll give

2353
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,280
you my name.

2354
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:45,160
>> Okay,

2355
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,320
that'll work. Let's just go down the

2356
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:47,440
list then.

2357
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,360
Uh Brett, who's your vote?

2358
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,760
>> Uh can you come back to me, please?

2359
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,240
>> Yes. Uh Brody, who's your vote?

2360
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:55,800
>> Lacy.

2361
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:57,520
>> Okay.

2362
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,350
Um

2363
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,280
David, are you voting on this one?

2364
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,880
>> No, non-voting.

2365
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:04,960
>> Okay.

2366
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,040
Mike, who's your vote?

2367
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,240
>> Will Chambers.

2368
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,640
>> Okay.

2369
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,910
Nicole.

2370
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,310
» Can you come back to me, too?

2371
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,240
» We're just about there. Russ, are you

2372
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:23,230
voting on this one?

2373
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,760
» No, I'm not.

2374
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:25,720
>> Okay.

2375
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,240
Uh Sheriff Curtis.

2376
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,160
>> I'm going to go with Charlie.

2377
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,550
>> Thank you.

2378
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,440
» Okay.

2379
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:36,120
Um

2380
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:37,840
Scott.

2381
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:42,790
>> Lacy.

2382
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:51,270
» Okay, coming back up, Brett.

2383
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:55,910
» Dillon.

2384
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:56,440
» Uh

2385
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:59,280
>> If Brett needs a minute, I I'm ready.

2386
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,520
So, if you want you go ahead

2387
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,320
I'm going to go with Lacy just cuz I've

2388
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,000
heard some nice things on this but

2389
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,120
everybody's so equal on this it's such a

2390
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:11,160
hard thing to pick one.

2391
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,030
Okay Brett.

2392
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:17,630
I'm going to go Charlie.

2393
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,520
okay

2394
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,400
and then I will vote for Bill

2395
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,360
for the record but it looks like Lacy is

2396
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,910
the winner on this one.

2397
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,880
Okay that was easy. I want to make the

2398
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,040
final motion what the vote what ended up

2399
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,920
being Lacy 3 Bill 2 Chuck 2.

2400
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,680
It looks like Lacy Wheeler Lacy Werner

2401
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,640
is

2402
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,320
the top voted candidate so do we need a

2403
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:50,960
motion to

2404
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,080
I guess how would that motion look like

2405
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,840
what would that motion look like.

2406
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,520
I'll

2407
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,160
make this is Sheriff Curtis I'll make

2408
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,600
the motion we accept the results as Lacy

2409
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,070
being the

2410
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,840
top choice for our dealership

2411
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,040
representative.

2412
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,200
Okay motion made by Sheriff Curtis do I

2413
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,400
have a second? This is Brody I second.

2414
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,160
Seconded by Brody let's go down roll

2415
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,400
call

2416
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,040
how about you guys have any discussion

2417
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:21,920
to that motion oh yeah do we have any

2418
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:29,070
discussion to that motion.

2419
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,520
Okay.

2420
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,320
Seeing none let's go down roll call vote

2421
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,880
for the record Brett.

2422
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:37,960
Yes.

2423
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,160
Brody.

2424
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,560
Yes.

2425
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,520
Mike.

2426
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:44,560
Yeah.

2427
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:46,120
Nicole.

2428
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:47,560
Yes.

2429
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:48,920
Sheriff Curtis.

2430
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,640
Yes Scott. Yes.

2431
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,040
And I'll vote yes as well. That is

2432
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,720
unanimous.

2433
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,000
So, Lacy Werner will

2434
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,480
um

2435
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:02,480
is

2436
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:04,000
going to be our next uh dealership

2437
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:07,590
representative.

2438
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,080
Okay, let's go on to our snowmobile

2439
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:15,190
applicants.

2440
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:34,590
Hold this up here.

2441
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:38,040
We have Alton Harris

2442
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:42,550
who's in Mendon.

2443
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,000
» It looks like he's with Top of Utah

2444
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Snowmobile Association. He's serving on

2445
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:50,310
the board.

2446
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,480
» And Michael Fogg

2447
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,280
>> Yep.

2448
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:58,590
>> from Mountain Green.

2449
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:00,440
» Looks like he's

2450
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:01,880
part of the Weber County Search and

2451
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:14,870
Rescue.

2452
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,480
» All right, any thoughts or impressions

2453
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,200
on these two applicants?

2454
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,000
>> Hey, I go back on that letter of

2455
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:24,360
support. Nope, go up. Go up. Nope, that up.

2456
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,080
>> Um

2457
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,280
>> That Keep going up just a little bit

2458
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,160
more.

2459
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,800
That up Not the up that other up.

2460
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:33,920
Go up.

2461
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:34,800
>> So, you're saying

2462
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:35,920
>> there.

2463
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:37,560
>> So, you're saying down.

2464
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:38,240
>> Wait,

2465
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,800
um

2466
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,240
I'm just reading the the very first

2467
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:46,720
line. That's kind of funny. So, sorry.

2468
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,680
>> Mr. Howard

2469
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:50,520
>> Uh

2470
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:52,400
>> yeah, I saw that, too.

2471
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,107
>> Years late.

2472
01:37:54,107 --> 01:37:55,160
>> [laughter]

2473
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:57,400
>> It's okay. Also, Utah Division of Parks

2474
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,800
and Recreation.

2475
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:00,240
So.

2476
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:01,440
>> Wow.

2477
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:02,600
>> I know.

2478
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,400
>> It's just the sheriff writing it. Well,

2479
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,863
I mean, what are we worried about?

2480
01:38:07,863 --> 01:38:08,840
>> [laughter]

2481
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,600
>> I'm happy that Yeah, you said it, not

2482
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:12,280
us.

2483
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,412
>> That's why it was okay that I said it.

2484
01:38:14,412 --> 01:38:15,960
>> [laughter]

2485
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:26,190
>> Maybe he used AI. I don't know.

2486
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:27,440
» Is

2487
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:28,720
there an interest to look at any of

2488
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:30,520
these applications, or should we just

2489
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:31,880
move on to the discussion portion of

2490
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:36,070
this?

2491
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,600
» Yeah, the floor's open for discussion if

2492
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,440
anybody has any points of uh concern or

2493
01:38:40,440 --> 01:38:42,200
interest or uh

2494
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:43,120
things that impressed you on the

2495
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:47,190
applications.

2496
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:47,960
Or if there's any

2497
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,920
>> Do we Do we know anything about that uh

2498
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:53,040
the the first applicant's uh group that

2499
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,480
he belongs to?

2500
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:57,080
Um do we Does it anybody have any

2501
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,920
interaction with that group?

2502
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,640
>> Yes, I do a lot. Top of Utah Snowmobile

2503
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:06,960
Utah group is very very active um in

2504
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:09,880
Logan Canyon. They've played a big part

2505
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,200
in helping me. I had some problems with

2506
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,520
diesel fuel up there. They found a

2507
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,160
solution.

2508
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,480
Um they recently sponsored a parking lot

2509
01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:21,920
uh Top of Utah did with Utah Snowmobile

2510
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,760
Association there at Franklin Basin.

2511
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,640
That they were awarded a grant, and they

2512
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,000
did it very timely and very good. So, I

2513
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:30,840
have a personally, I have a lot of

2514
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:34,000
interaction with Top of Utah.

2515
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,840
>> I was going to say ditto to that.

2516
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,160
They've been great to work with.

2517
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:39,160
Um

2518
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,680
Top of Utah Snowmobile Association has

2519
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:43,000
been awesome. So, I don't believe that

2520
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:44,920
they've applied, but they have a lot of

2521
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,720
projects in mind that they want to move

2522
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:54,110
forward with.

2523
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,280
» Jason, I'm ready to vote for somebody if

2524
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,160
you want to start.

2525
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,560
>> Yeah, do you want to make a motion?

2526
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,000
>> Do we need to make a motion to vote?

2527
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,360
>> Yep.

2528
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,040
>> I make a motion that we just start

2529
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:08,560
voting.

2530
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,160
>> Yeah, so clarify the same way that we

2531
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:12,520
did the prior one, Scott.

2532
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,880
>> I'm sorry, what was that?

2533
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:15,760
>> Are you suggesting the same method that

2534
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:16,640
you did in the prior one?

2535
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,400
>> Same method as we did before. We just go

2536
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,560
ahead and vote. We just start voting.

2537
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,400
>> Yeah, we just start voting.

2538
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,080
>> Okay, motion made by Scott. Do we have a

2539
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:24,960
second?

2540
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:26,724
>> This is Brody. I second that.

2541
01:40:26,724 --> 01:40:27,360
>> [clears throat]

2542
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:32,030
>> Second, any discussion?

2543
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:34,800
Seeing none, let's vote on the motion to

2544
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,120
vote.

2545
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:38,320
Uh

2546
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,200
Brett?

2547
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:40,240
>> Yes.

2548
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:41,320
>> Brody?

2549
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,200
>> Yes.

2550
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,000
>> Uh Nicole?

2551
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,670
>> Yes.

2552
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:49,880
» And Scott?

2553
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,520
>> Yes.

2554
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:52,520
>> Michael?

2555
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,440
>> Yes.

2556
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:56,680
>> And I think that's everybody. I'll vote

2557
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,280
yes as well.

2558
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:59,160
Okay.

2559
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:01,640
Let's go ahead. Uh we'll go down the

2560
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,280
list.

2561
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:03,520
Uh

2562
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,000
>> Can we go down the list backwards this

2563
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,920
time?

2564
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,440
>> I don't know. Brett Brett got away from

2565
01:41:08,440 --> 01:41:10,480
that last time. I think we need to start

2566
01:41:10,480 --> 01:41:12,574
>> I'm ready to vote this time.

2567
01:41:12,574 --> 01:41:13,160
>> [laughter]

2568
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:14,160
>> Either way, don't care.

2569
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,880
>> Okay, Brett, who's your pick?

2570
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:18,080
>> Dean.

2571
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,120
>> This is Alton Harris.

2572
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,680
>> Uh yes. Yeah.

2573
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:26,280
>> Uh Brody?

2574
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,240
>> Alton Harris.

2575
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,320
>> Nicole?

2576
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:32,280
>> Uh

2577
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,040
the Alton Dean Harris.

2578
01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:36,080
>> Mike?

2579
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,040
>> Dean Harris or Alton.

2580
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,280
>> Scott?

2581
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:42,360
>> Uh Dean.

2582
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:47,670
>> Okay, and I will vote Dean as well.

2583
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:50,800
So, that is all six of the voting

2584
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:53,680
members voted for Alton Dean Harris to

2585
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,440
be our snowmobile representative.

2586
01:41:56,440 --> 01:41:58,440
So,

2587
01:41:58,440 --> 01:42:00,240
what Remind me, what motion do we need

2588
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:03,040
for that, or do we need any motion?

2589
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,480
>> Motion to accept the results.

2590
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:08,200
>> Yeah. Yep.

2591
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:09,560
>> So made.

2592
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:10,120
>> [laughter]

2593
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:13,040
>> Brett Brett made a motion to accept the

2594
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,120
voting

2595
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,520
with Alton Harris being the applicant.

2596
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:17,720
Do we have a second?

2597
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,240
>> Did Sheriff Curtis vote?

2598
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,800
>> Oh, Sheriff Curtis, did you vote?

2599
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,760
>> I figured you guys would figure out to

2600
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,320
vote for the other guy. That's why you

2601
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:27,900
didn't give me a chance.

2602
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:28,640
>> [laughter]

2603
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:29,960
>> Sorry, thank you.

2604
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:33,680
>> But I will say the professionalism and the other one I'll go with Dean as

2605
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:34,600
well.

2606
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:35,480
>> Okay.

2607
01:42:35,480 --> 01:42:36,480
So.

2608
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:40,520
>> And I can second the vote the uh motion.

2609
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,200
>> Excellent, thank you.

2610
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:43,680
Motion made by Brett, seconded by

2611
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:47,710
Sheriff. Any other discussion?

2612
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,720
Okay, seeing none, let's go roll call,

2613
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:51,720
and I won't miss you this time. Uh we'll

2614
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,880
start with Sheriff Curtis.

2615
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,480
>> Yes.

2616
01:42:55,480 --> 01:43:04,440
>> All right, Scott?

2617
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:05,880
>> yeah, I'm sorry, yes.

2618
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,920
>> Okay. Uh Nicole?

2619
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:10,080
>> Yes.

2620
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:10,840
>> Mike?

2621
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:11,920
>> Yes.

2622
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,200
>> Rodney?

2623
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:14,440
>> Yes.

2624
01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:15,360
>> Brett?

2625
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:16,520
>> Yes.

2626
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:20,150
>> And I will vote yes as well.

2627
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,240
All right.

2628
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:26,630
That wasn't so bad.

2629
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:28,480
Okay, pulling up back up to my agenda

2630
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,920
now.

2631
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:32,280
>> On the agenda.

2632
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,430
>> That's me.

2633
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,280
» Okay. Yep.

2634
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:38,440
Turn the time

2635
01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:39,600
to

2636
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,240
>> Trusting you with

2637
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:45,080
Thank you. First before I start, thank

2638
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,520
you Jason

2639
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:50,800
for your leadership. Thank you for

2640
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,320
everything you've done for the council

2641
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,840
this past year. Um your leadership is

2642
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:58,360
well appreciated and noted. I would also

2643
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,040
like the council to know I reached out

2644
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:05,520
to Eric Neilson today and let him know that uh I appreciate

2645
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,080
what he did for the council as well.

2646
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,760
So we have an opening for chair and vice

2647
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,080
chair.

2648
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,720
Um and what I'd like to do is accept a

2649
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:20,280
nomination to go ahead and open that up.

2650
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,760
If anybody would make that motion.

2651
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:24,960
>> This is Brody. I'd like to make the

2652
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,520
motion that we open up the position of

2653
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,880
chair and vice chair.

2654
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:31,440
>> Okay, is there a second?

2655
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:33,000
>> I'll second it.

2656
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,640
>> Thank you Mike. Can we do a quick roll

2657
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:41,590
call on that? Brett?

2658
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:42,520
» Yes.

2659
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:43,600
>> Brody?

2660
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,560
>> Yes.

2661
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:45,520
>> Mike?

2662
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:46,400
>> Yes.

2663
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:47,920
>> Nicole?

2664
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,120
>> Yes.

2665
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:50,960
>> Uh Sheriff Curtis?

2666
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:52,640
>> Uh yes.

2667
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,160
>> Scott?

2668
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:55,520
>> Yes.

2669
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:56,840
>> And Jason?

2670
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:58,280
>> Yes.

2671
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,440
>> Okay, now the next motion I would like

2672
01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:03,360
to uh entertain is I'd like to entertain

2673
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:08,680
a motion for a nomination for chair.

2674
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:09,120
Um

2675
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:10,840
>> This is Brett. This is Brody. I'd like

2676
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,640
to nominate Jason to serve another year

2677
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,160
as chair.

2678
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:17,280
>> I'll second that.

2679
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:18,960
>> And Mike beat me to it cuz I was going

2680
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,390
to second it, too.

2681
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,600
» Is there is there any other nominations?

2682
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,960
>> I'll nominate Brody.

2683
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,920
>> Um no I I don't want to be chair, but

2684
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,000
thank you.

2685
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:34,000
>> We don't accept that We don't accept

2686
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,200
that nomination.

2687
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,508
>> Well played, Jason.

2688
01:45:38,508 --> 01:45:38,760
>> [laughter]

2689
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:40,920
>> Good job, Jason. Yeah. So, Brody

2690
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:44,600
declines. Any other nominations for

2691
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:48,630
chair?

2692
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:50,000
Okay?

2693
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,920
That nomination holds. I'd like to do a

2694
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,000
roll call on

2695
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,240
um Jason

2696
01:45:56,240 --> 01:46:00,670
being the chair.

2697
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:01,880
Brett?

2698
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,240
>> Yes.

2699
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:04,240
>> Brody?

2700
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,880
>> Yes.

2701
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:06,720
>> Mike?

2702
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:07,720
>> Yes.

2703
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:09,040
>> Nicole?

2704
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,120
>> Yes.

2705
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:11,400
>> Sheriff Curtis?

2706
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:12,560
>> Yes.

2707
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:13,840
>> Scott?

2708
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:14,960
>> Yes.

2709
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:16,600
>> And Jason, we we don't let you vote for

2710
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:19,960
yourself off. So sorry.

2711
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:25,080
The vote is unanimous.

2712
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,400
Um I would entertain a second motion to

2713
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:32,720
accept Jason as the chair of the OHV

2714
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,320
Advisory Council.

2715
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,640
>> I'll make the motion to accept Jason as

2716
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,520
the chair of the council for another

2717
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:41,800
year.

2718
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,080
>> Thank you, Nicole.

2719
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:44,600
>> And this is Brody. I second that

2720
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,240
nomination or that I second that.

2721
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,080
>> Okay, roll call real quick. Brett?

2722
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:50,880
>> Yes.

2723
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,040
>> Brody?

2724
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:52,960
>> Yes.

2725
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:53,840
>> Mike?

2726
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:54,600
>> Yes.

2727
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:55,680
>> Nicole?

2728
01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:56,800
>> Yes.

2729
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:58,160
>> Sheriff Curtis?

2730
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:59,440
>> Yes.

2731
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:01,080
>> Scott Wheeler?

2732
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:03,800
>> I want to say yes and also I think you

2733
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,080
ought to take that into consideration

2734
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,480
that all of us want you to be there and

2735
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:10,520
we think you've been doing an excellent

2736
01:47:10,520 --> 01:47:12,360
job.

2737
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,794
>> And give that man a raise.

2738
01:47:14,794 --> 01:47:15,120
>> [laughter]

2739
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:17,120
>> Did anyone ask if Jason accepted the

2740
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:19,200
nomination?

2741
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:20,720
>> We don't have to To that.

2742
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:21,720
>> Yeah, we don't ask.

2743
01:47:21,720 --> 01:47:24,160
>> He doesn't have a choice.

2744
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,760
>> Well, the the nomination holds. It's

2745
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:28,480
unanimous.

2746
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:31,160
Uh Jason, thank you very much for your

2747
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:33,320
willingness to be part of this process

2748
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:34,920
for another year.

2749
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:37,480
We are excited to uh to have your

2750
01:47:37,480 --> 01:47:40,080
leadership again.

2751
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,440
>> Thank you. Thank you everybody for your

2752
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:42,920
support, too.

2753
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:44,480
>> Okay, the uh

2754
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:46,720
let's do the vice chair. I would open up

2755
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,400
uh entertain a

2756
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:54,310
uh motion to open that up.

2757
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:55,760
» I I'd like to make This is Brody. I'd

2758
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,360
like to make the proposal that we open

2759
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,080
up the nomination for vice chair.

2760
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,560
>> Okay, is there a second?

2761
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,600
>> I will second. Scott.

2762
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,960
>> Scott seconds. Quick roll call. Brett?

2763
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,400
>> Yes.

2764
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:09,480
>> Brody?

2765
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:10,160
>> Yes.

2766
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:10,960
>> Mike?

2767
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:11,920
>> Yes.

2768
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:12,960
>> Nicole?

2769
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:13,640
>> Yes.

2770
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:14,920
>> Sheriff Curtis?

2771
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:15,920
>> Yes.

2772
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:17,280
>> Scott?

2773
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:18,120
>> Yes.

2774
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:19,360
>> And Jason?

2775
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:20,600
>> Yes.

2776
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,240
>> It's unanimous. I will now open it up

2777
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,680
for nominations for vice chair.

2778
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:29,465
>> I nominate Brody.

2779
01:48:29,465 --> 01:48:32,390
>> [laughter]

2780
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,680
» Brody, will you accept the nomination as

2781
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,240
vice chair?

2782
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:39,200
>> I I would accept that. Thank you.

2783
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,150
Definitely not chair.

2784
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,360
» Are there nominations for a second

2785
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:49,630
nomination?

2786
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,600
» I nominate This is Sheriff Curtis. I

2787
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:54,880
nominate we close nominations.

2788
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,760
>> There you go.

2789
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:58,400
Is there Is there a second?

2790
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,360
>> Motion. I'll second that.

2791
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:02,560
>> Do we need a second to the nomination at

2792
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,390
all?

2793
01:49:05,400 --> 01:49:07,960
» Um let's do a quick second and then

2794
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,640
we'll go back to Sheriff Curtis's. Is

2795
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:13,000
there a second for Brody?

2796
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,200
>> Oh, I'll second, Brody.

2797
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,480
>> Okay, we got a second. Sheriff Curtis,

2798
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:19,200
did you have Did you want to follow up

2799
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:20,760
with your motion?

2800
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,160
>> Then I'll make the motion that

2801
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:25,800
nomination cease and we vote on

2802
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:29,120
Brody as the vice chair.

2803
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:33,710
>> Okay. Is there a second there?

2804
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,200
» I second that. That's the Scott.

2805
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:37,240
>> Okay. [snorts]

2806
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:40,720
Very good. So, let's go ahead and

2807
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,840
open it up for the vote on the vice

2808
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,120
chair of the OHV Council for the next

2809
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:48,960
year. We only have one um one applicant

2810
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:53,840
or one voted on and that's Brody. One

2811
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,680
Let's go down and do a quick roll call.

2812
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:57,960
Brett.

2813
01:49:57,960 --> 01:49:59,800
>> Yes.

2814
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,360
>> Um I guess you can vote for yourself,

2815
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,040
Brody, if you want. Um

2816
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,560
>> Sure.

2817
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:08,440
Mike.

2818
01:50:08,440 --> 01:50:09,400
>> Yes.

2819
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:10,760
>> Nicole.

2820
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:12,200
>> Yes.

2821
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:13,480
>> Sheriff Curtis.

2822
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:14,960
>> Yes.

2823
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,240
>> Scott Wheeler.

2824
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:17,520
>> Yeah.

2825
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:19,320
>> And Jason.

2826
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,360
>> You bet you.

2827
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,920
>> The vote is unanimous for Brody Johnson

2828
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,440
to be the vice chair of the OHV Council

2829
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:29,560
for the next year.

2830
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:32,200
>> Hey Wade, I have a question.

2831
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:34,720
Can any of the government officials that

2832
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:38,320
are on this council serve as a chair?

2833
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:42,430
>> No.

2834
01:50:42,440 --> 01:50:44,440
» Um probably not federal government. It'd

2835
01:50:44,440 --> 01:50:46,480
be a good question for Nicole to answer

2836
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:50,000
for our state folks like Nicole or Russ.

2837
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,960
I doubt they would want to because of

2838
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:53,800
their other roles they play. It could be

2839
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,640
a It could get into more of a conflict,

2840
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,680
but our federal partners, it's a

2841
01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:01,990
definite no.

2842
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,360
» Yeah, so I don't think that there's any

2843
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:06,520
if if you're if you're also a state

2844
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,160
employee and you're on the council, I

2845
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:10,480
don't think there's a direct prohibition

2846
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:13,960
from you voting, but I do think that you

2847
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,200
need to very carefully take into account

2848
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:21,470
any types of conflict and stuff.

2849
01:51:21,480 --> 01:51:26,440
» I would just say as a state employee, I really appreciate that outside people

2850
01:51:26,440 --> 01:51:29,000
take on that role because I really do

2851
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,920
appreciate what they have to say and I

2852
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:36,510
listen very carefully when they talk.

2853
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,480
» Okay, very good. Uh

2854
01:51:39,480 --> 01:51:42,520
Jason, the uh calendar's back to you.

2855
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:43,880
>> All right. Well, I'm going to kick it

2856
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,400
right back. So, item number seven is uh

2857
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:48,760
OHP program update from

2858
01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:49,680
OHP program manager.

2859
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:50,560
>> just so we can get out of here on time.

2860
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:51,200
All of you have my cell number. You're

2861
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:51,920
welcome to call me after the meeting if

2862
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:52,480
you have any any follow-up questions

2863
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:53,160
that you want. I'll throw it out after

2864
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:53,960
tonight. I'm going to be kind of in and

2865
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:54,600
out of cell phone service for the next

2866
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:55,360
week on vacation, but do reach out to

2867
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:56,080
me. I'll I'll definitely call you back.

2868
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:56,720
First thing I wanted to talk about most

2869
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:57,680
of you have seen the audit. In fact, I I

2870
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:58,520
seen that there was a KSL article on it.

2871
01:51:58,520 --> 01:51:59,360
Um I think the KSL article is a little

2872
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:00,120
bit misleading to to what the audit was,

2873
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,070
but nonetheless, it's it's out there.

2874
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:06,720
Um sent all of you out um

2875
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:08,120
a link

2876
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:10,760
to access the audit.

2877
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:14,080
Um and just just in a nutshell,

2878
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,560
uh really quick, the audit has asked

2879
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,080
that that we keep the council more

2880
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:20,960
involved,

2881
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,360
um and that we keep the council more

2882
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:26,120
involved on where money is being spent.

2883
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:29,240
The audit asked for

2884
01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:32,440
us to take a look at

2885
01:52:32,440 --> 01:53:05,800
snowmobiles um that there's

2886
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,280
uh deficiencies there in the snowmobile

2887
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:11,160
program to take a look at raising the

2888
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:13,440
snowmobile registration fees, which

2889
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:15,840
we've already been in the process

2890
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:19,000
on that as well. Um so, we're going to

2891
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,680
look at some legislation on that.

2892
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:23,200
Um

2893
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,360
the audit also talked a little bit about

2894
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:26,680
some

2895
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,640
um on our grants, and if you want to

2896
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:30,960
jump in, Rachel, just to to take a look

2897
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,240
at the grants and do a little bit more

2898
01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:36,880
um verification and follow up on those.

2899
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,550
Um

2900
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:40,880
Did you want to jump in on that real

2901
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:42,440
quick, Rachel, or are you okay with

2902
01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:49,150
that?

2903
01:53:49,160 --> 01:54:00,233
» She's got to unmute first.

2904
01:54:00,243 --> 01:54:03,070
» [clears throat]

2905
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,560
» So, that's in a nutshell. You guys are

2906
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:08,600
welcome to look at it. Um

2907
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,040
I I know several of you were interviewed

2908
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,560
by the uh by the auditors. Um you're

2909
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:16,640
welcome to to take a look at it, and you

2910
01:54:16,640 --> 01:54:19,160
are welcome to call either Rachel or I

2911
01:54:19,160 --> 01:54:20,720
and discuss those components of the

2912
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,200
audits that that we're dealing with. A

2913
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:23,800
lot of the things

2914
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,240
um we we have in place like being

2915
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,040
advised more of the financial. I think

2916
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:29,880
we started off a really good foot on

2917
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:33,240
that last November when we disposed um

2918
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:36,440
where all the money was being spent. And

2919
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:37,920
uh we're we're going to continue that

2920
01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:39,880
every fall. So.

2921
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,440
Rachel, did you get up?

2922
01:54:42,440 --> 01:54:44,520
Oh, she's she's left the call. Now she's

2923
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:45,440
back.

2924
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:48,520
>> Sorry, technical difficulties.

2925
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,120
Yeah, just for a second. Sorry, would

2926
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,240
not let me um

2927
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:54,600
do anything.

2928
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:55,840
So,

2929
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,400
yeah, real briefly to just to talk on

2930
01:54:57,400 --> 01:54:59,520
the two notes. So, kind of what Wade was

2931
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,680
saying, this should be uh what you have.

2932
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:03,280
Our recommendations are at the very end

2933
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:07,600
of it. Um one of those was to have more

2934
01:55:07,600 --> 01:55:11,200
in-person site visits. Uh we are in the

2935
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,520
process of

2936
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:15,440
assigning someone to the compliance

2937
01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:17,320
position. Uh it's actually going to be

2938
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,080
someone that is internal. So, I'll be

2939
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:21,400
meeting with her tomorrow. Her name is

2940
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:23,880
Carolyn Wyler. I believe she might be on

2941
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:25,600
this call.

2942
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:27,600
Um Carolyn, if you are on this call,

2943
01:55:27,600 --> 01:55:28,680
just

2944
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:30,920
>> Yeah, I'm on the call.

2945
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:32,640
>> Perfect. This is Carolyn. She's going to

2946
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,480
be our compliance person going forward.

2947
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:37,000
So, she'll be kind of I'll be working

2948
01:55:37,000 --> 01:55:39,040
with her. She will be doing compliance

2949
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:42,120
for all of the grants. Uh but there will

2950
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:43,280
be

2951
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:43,840
um

2952
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:45,160
we're going to make sure that it's fair

2953
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:46,320
and that it's going to kind of be

2954
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:48,240
regional. Do you have anything to input

2955
01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:49,720
or any input on that, Carolyn, real

2956
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:51,240
quickly?

2957
01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:52,640
>> Nope, we're in the very beginning

2958
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,880
process of starting this all, but um I'm

2959
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,320
happy to kind of hear your conversation

2960
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:57,480
and get to know what you guys are

2961
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:58,680
talking about and the issues that you're

2962
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:00,120
raising. So, excited to work with you

2963
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:01,960
moving forward.

2964
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,600
>> Yeah. So, that was the recommendation

2965
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:08,680
2.2. 2.1 is for more reporting. So, the

2966
01:56:08,680 --> 01:56:11,320
biggest issue was reporting on marketing

2967
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,400
and reporting on education. So, I've

2968
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,560
kind of gone through and will be putting

2969
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,080
more

2970
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,200
questions, per se,

2971
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:23,000
for during progress reports and basing

2972
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:24,480
it off of their application that are

2973
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:27,080
going to be specialized for the specific

2974
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,240
categories. Right now, it's general. We

2975
01:56:29,240 --> 01:56:31,840
just ask every applicant, regardless of

2976
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,880
what category they apply for,

2977
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:36,200
um some very basic questions. We're

2978
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,600
going to be going in and honing in on

2979
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:40,360
what those specific questions will be

2980
01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:43,000
per category. So, as you guys could see,

2981
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:45,080
the recommendation-wise, I have very

2982
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:47,560
quick deadlines for these.

2983
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,400
Um so, for 2.1, that will be happening

2984
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,400
very soon. Um that are

2985
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,800
and I'll be making those changes soon.

2986
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:57,600
So, that is for me. Thank you, Wade.

2987
01:56:57,600 --> 01:56:59,720
Appreciate it. Going to attempt to mute

2988
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:01,440
myself and hopefully unmute it if I need

2989
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:02,400
to.

2990
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,720
>> Thank you. And I'm sorry for being so

2991
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:07,200
brief on this, but guys, Rachel and I,

2992
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,640
you guys have our phone numbers. Call

2993
01:57:08,640 --> 01:57:09,680
us.

2994
01:57:09,680 --> 01:57:11,720
Uh Brett, you had a question?

2995
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:13,200
>> Yeah, a couple of things I wanted to hit

2996
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,200
on. Um

2997
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:18,120
I had a a good discussion with

2998
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:21,320
uh Jason Curry and Joel Ferry after the

2999
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:22,920
audit meeting.

3000
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,360
And I think it's been a concern that

3001
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:26,760
we're working on and it's getting much

3002
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:27,760
better.

3003
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,720
Um Jason agreed to

3004
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:33,720
any dollars that are spent over $10,000

3005
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:35,760
would be reviewed with the advisory

3006
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,040
council.

3007
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,240
Um I think Jason will agree with that

3008
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:41,320
and I think it's a good number.

3009
01:57:41,320 --> 01:57:42,560
Um

3010
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:45,680
the other thing is my opinion of the

3011
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,840
KSL, I very seldom ever

3012
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:52,800
agree with the media, but I think it was

3013
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:55,320
pretty spot-on of my opinion. I mean,

3014
01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:58,160
you have to dig deep into the audit to

3015
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:00,000
see what was really there, but I think

3016
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:01,800
they hit on some pretty good points of

3017
01:58:01,800 --> 01:58:03,640
things that we need to work on.

3018
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:05,320
And then the other thing is Nicole was

3019
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,200
going to work on

3020
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,800
Attorney Nicole was going to work on

3021
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,160
um the no

3022
01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,040
reciprocity for the street legal rule.

3023
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:21,030
Did you want to talk on that, Nicole, or

3024
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:22,280
» This is the rule change that I was

3025
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:23,000
>> So,

3026
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:24,760
I guess I should finish what I'm saying

3027
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,840
is I was going to run a bill because

3028
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,200
right now, if you're an out-of-state

3029
01:58:30,200 --> 01:58:32,640
non-street legal, you have to buy the

3030
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:35,280
sticker, the $35 sticker. Well, it will

3031
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:38,120
be 35 um come July. Right now, I think

3032
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:40,680
it's 30. Anyway, if you're out-of-state

3033
01:58:40,680 --> 01:58:42,880
non-street legal, you have to buy the

3034
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:45,520
sticker. The street legal, you do not

3035
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:47,640
have to to buy it.

3036
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,080
And what I found out when I went and

3037
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,600
helped on an event, uh the Moab Red Rock

3038
01:58:52,600 --> 01:58:54,360
Rally, I was one of the guides and

3039
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:56,360
there's a lot of people. There is one

3040
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:59,360
huge group that was from California and

3041
01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:01,600
they were buying South Dakota plates,

3042
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:02,920
and so

3043
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:04,640
they went through that process so that

3044
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,400
they didn't have to contribute to the

3045
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:09,320
ORV program in Utah. And there's

3046
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,680
actually some other issues with um

3047
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,600
actually he was a grant recipient and

3048
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:19,120
they licensed their vehicles in Montana.

3049
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:21,840
So, they don't have to contribute. So,

3050
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,120
after discussing with a lot of ORV

3051
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:27,000
users, we we decided to run a bill and

3052
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:29,440
we just wanted to get support from the

3053
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:31,760
advisory council rather than just my

3054
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:32,880
idea

3055
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:36,520
um to no more reciprocity for

3056
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,480
out-of-state street legal. We want them

3057
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:41,680
to buy a $35 sticker just like anybody

3058
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:44,120
else and that would go directly into the

3059
01:59:44,120 --> 01:59:46,960
off-highway vehicle restricted fund

3060
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:49,680
account. So, those are the things that I

3061
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,240
wanted to hit on. Um

3062
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:55,160
maybe you could follow up on that,

3063
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:56,560
Nicole.

3064
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:58,680
>> Oh, I have I apologize. I just hadn't

3065
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:00,360
put two and two together that we were

3066
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:02,600
talking about the same thing, but um

3067
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:05,320
I've reviewed the statute and it looks

3068
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:07,360
like it's already in the statute that

3069
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:10,240
they have to buy the decal, so I I don't

3070
02:00:10,240 --> 02:00:14,080
see it at that there's a um there's an

3071
02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,920
issue, but I think that uh we need that

3072
02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:18,920
what that where there is an issue is

3073
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:20,280
that the rule is a little bit

3074
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:23,120
inconsistent. So, I think quite frankly

3075
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:26,920
that it might be a lot easier um

3076
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:28,600
to move forward with instead of a

3077
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,920
statutory change on this issue to just

3078
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:32,920
change the rule cuz it's already in the

3079
02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:34,440
statute that they have to buy the

3080
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:35,680
decals.

3081
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:39,000
>> Much much easier and I forgot to think

3082
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:41,080
that that could be an option.

3083
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:42,360
>> Yeah.

3084
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:43,920
>> Do we know where it crossed the line

3085
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:45,440
with um

3086
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,560
motorcycles because motorcycles

3087
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,280
there is a range

3088
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:52,240
of what is a street bike versus what is

3089
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:54,560
an OHV.

3090
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:54,880
And

3091
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:55,640
>> It's been

3092
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:57,280
further operating.

3093
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:59,360
It's been clarified that if you're and

3094
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:01,360
Wade can hit on this, if you're a street

3095
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,520
legal

3096
02:01:02,520 --> 02:01:05,160
off-highway vehicle motorcycle,

3097
02:01:05,160 --> 02:01:07,000
then you're the same category as a type

3098
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:10,320
one, two, or three, which is ATV, UTV,

3099
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:13,800
um or the Jeeps that are type three. So,

3100
02:01:13,800 --> 02:01:15,680
a motor motorcycle falls in the same

3101
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:18,400
category. So, if they're street legal

3102
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,160
off-highway vehicle,

3103
02:01:20,160 --> 02:01:21,240
then they would have to pay the

3104
02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:22,760
out-of-state sticker. If they're street

3105
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:25,000
legal, just like a Harley Davidson or

3106
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:26,160
whatever,

3107
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:27,400
they're not

3108
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,560
uh required to pay. So, if you buy your

3109
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,960
uh street legal from the dealer,

3110
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,840
and it is from the factory street legal,

3111
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:37,320
you would not be required to get an

3112
02:01:37,320 --> 02:01:40,280
off-highway vehicle sticker.

3113
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:41,920
So, that was clarified last year in

3114
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,880
session, I believe.

3115
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:44,440
>> Okay.

3116
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:46,360
>> So, we're just The only thing The only

3117
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,520
ones this will affect is out-of-state

3118
02:01:48,520 --> 02:01:50,360
street legal

3119
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:52,920
will now be required to buy an

3120
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:55,080
out-of-state sticker. And there was one

3121
02:01:55,080 --> 02:01:57,120
other thing that was in the existing

3122
02:01:57,120 --> 02:01:58,200
rule

3123
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,960
that they were asking to prove that you

3124
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,680
was an out-of-state person, which no

3125
02:02:03,680 --> 02:02:06,080
longer is needed because a lot of them

3126
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:07,800
were registered out-of-state. It was

3127
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:11,880
$30, yet they were charged $35 in-state.

3128
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:14,200
So, I think that needs to be struck out

3129
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:16,120
of the language, and Rachel's familiar

3130
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,120
with that, I believe.

3131
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:20,000
So, this will only affect out-of-state

3132
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:21,760
street legal. That's it. And Arizona

3133
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:23,400
does the same, so when we did the big

3134
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,640
ride this year, I believe Wade had to

3135
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:27,440
work with Arizona

3136
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:30,240
OHV program because we actually rode

3137
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:33,120
into Arizona just for a minute and then

3138
02:02:33,120 --> 02:02:34,720
back out again.

3139
02:02:34,720 --> 02:02:36,600
If if not, if he wouldn't have worked

3140
02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:38,800
that out, we would have had to have buy

3141
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:40,920
an out-of-state sticker. So, we're not

3142
02:02:40,920 --> 02:02:42,360
the only ones.

3143
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:45,320
So, we're just getting rid of the uh

3144
02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:47,480
res- reciprocity.

3145
02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:48,920
That's all we're doing.

3146
02:02:48,920 --> 02:02:51,120
And we would like to

3147
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:53,720
get your opinion of do you support it as

3148
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:55,160
the advisor or counselor cuz it's

3149
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:58,000
important that your opinion

3150
02:02:58,000 --> 02:02:59,320
is heard.

3151
02:02:59,320 --> 02:03:02,520
>> Uh Brad, are you asking I have a dirt

3152
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:05,760
bike that I've made street legal, okay?

3153
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:06,400
>> Okay.

3154
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:09,040
>> The taxes I pay on it are almost as much

3155
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,520
as I pay on my pickup truck. Uh the

3156
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:14,160
taxes are It's like twice as much as uh

3157
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:16,920
the registration for my dirt bike. Uh

3158
02:03:16,920 --> 02:03:19,680
are you saying that my street legal dirt

3159
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:21,760
bike that I have a license plate on it

3160
02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:23,640
that I can drive around

3161
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:26,440
Are you wanting me to buy an off-road

3162
02:03:26,440 --> 02:03:28,120
permit for it also?

3163
02:03:28,120 --> 02:03:30,360
>> No, because when you license your street

3164
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:31,920
legal, you're paying for off-highway

3165
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,520
vehicle and street.

3166
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:33,920
>> Okay.

3167
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,400
>> But I've never seen anything over $112.

3168
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,480
At one time it was over the cost of my

3169
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:40,880
pickup, and that was like $200 a year,

3170
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:42,560
and we fixed that. So, the most I've

3171
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:44,880
ever heard anybody pay now the way it

3172
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,680
sets is $112 or less.

3173
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:50,000
Um but no, this is related to only out

3174
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:50,960
of state.

3175
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:51,920
>> Okay. Okay.

3176
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:53,360
>> And and it's really

3177
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:57,680
>> My bike is $95 for my 2014 350 dirt

3178
02:03:57,680 --> 02:03:58,400
bike.

3179
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:00,880
>> Yeah. Nope, this will affect nobody in

3180
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,560
the state of Utah.

3181
02:04:03,560 --> 02:04:05,480
There's it It's sad that these people

3182
02:04:05,480 --> 02:04:06,680
can't even

3183
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:08,760
And this is just my opinion,

3184
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:12,480
but it's kind of I own a car wash, and I see all these

3185
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,200
people with these Montana plates, and I

3186
02:04:14,200 --> 02:04:15,880
was really frustrated. I mean, I didn't

3187
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:17,200
really say much to them. They were a

3188
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:19,400
customer. But it's like you're too cheap

3189
02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:22,120
to even donate $35 a year. I mean,

3190
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:24,920
people go to Laguna to spend $100 a day,

3191
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:26,760
and they can't you know, and this money

3192
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:28,360
will go into the restricted account. So,

3193
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:31,160
this non-motor non-street legal already

3194
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:33,640
paid, this will just be for street legal

3195
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:35,080
out of state.

3196
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:36,800
>> So, just real quickly, I'm going to just

3197
02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:39,600
hop in here to sum this up because um it

3198
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:42,600
is I've talked with DOR about it and

3199
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:44,640
this is a really simple rule change on

3200
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,040
our part and I think trying to talk

3201
02:04:47,040 --> 02:04:50,200
about it um without seeing the new

3202
02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:51,840
language might be a little bit more

3203
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:53,760
challenging. So, I would just like to

3204
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,560
suggest that maybe you guys let us just

3205
02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,160
get the draft get the draft rule and

3206
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,280
that way you can have something concrete

3207
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:03,320
to talk about um just so that

3208
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:05,760
everybody's 100% on the same page about

3209
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:07,920
what we are and are not talking about. I

3210
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:09,640
think it's much easier with the statute

3211
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:11,280
and the rule in front of us to do that.

3212
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,320
That's just a polite suggestion from my

3213
02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:14,240
part.

3214
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:16,120
>> I like that, but if there is a question

3215
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:18,840
now at I I'd love to hear it.

3216
02:05:18,840 --> 02:05:19,960
>> Well,

3217
02:05:19,960 --> 02:05:22,440
we're also going to be sending it out

3218
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:24,280
and kind of getting the feedback that

3219
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:25,560
way.

3220
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:27,720
So, I mean

3221
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:28,600
>> Okay, who?

3222
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:31,000
>> questions. It's just

3223
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:32,880
>> Okay, who?

3224
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:34,360
>> The advisory council.

3225
02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:35,600
>> Oh, okay. Yeah.

3226
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:37,160
>> Yeah, we'll be sending an email with it

3227
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:38,800
all. That's where we're going to have

3228
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:39,480
that

3229
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:41,160
discussion. Just to make it so that

3230
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:42,600
because this was decided, you know, we

3231
02:05:42,600 --> 02:05:44,520
talked with our attorney Nicole

3232
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:46,520
yesterday regarding this. So, we don't

3233
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,640
want to get put the horse in front of

3234
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:49,120
the cart.

3235
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,240
>> And and I just want to add to this that

3236
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:52,920
it's so important that the advisory

3237
02:05:52,920 --> 02:05:55,160
council reviews whether it's policy or

3238
02:05:55,160 --> 02:05:56,600
dollar spend.

3239
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:58,640
And I have all the respect in the world

3240
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:00,160
for you and all the trust in the world.

3241
02:06:00,160 --> 02:06:02,440
So, thank you for doing what you do. I

3242
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:04,800
know you're all volunteers, but I fight

3243
02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:07,880
my guts out to bring things to come

3244
02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:09,800
across the desk cuz you represent the

3245
02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:14,280
OHV community users. So, thank you.

3246
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:16,800
>> Thanks, Brett.

3247
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:21,830
Wade, did you have anything else?

3248
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:22,440
You're on mute.

3249
02:06:22,440 --> 02:06:25,430
>> You're unmuted.

3250
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:27,440
» Yeah, a couple other things, Jason, real

3251
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:31,720
quick. The heavy equipment crew, um we have anything definite on that and

3252
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:34,400
I'll be advising the the the council

3253
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:36,280
more on that. Um there's some other

3254
02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:37,720
things in the work I've discussed with

3255
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:38,960
some of you,

3256
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:40,880
but apparently it's we won't be

3257
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:43,080
discussing it now. We'll discuss it in

3258
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:46,240
the future date. Um

3259
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:48,520
there's also many of you seen stuff on

3260
02:06:48,520 --> 02:06:50,480
the High Desert Trail. I hope you guys

3261
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,000
commented on that. Um

3262
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,680
that was great. Um

3263
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:58,320
It's been a long time coming, and uh

3264
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:00,200
it's been a long process for a lot of

3265
02:07:00,200 --> 02:07:02,160
DOR staff that really stepped up and

3266
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:04,680
took care of that. We're also talking

3267
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:07,600
about um a couple of positions. One is a

3268
02:07:07,600 --> 02:07:10,680
volunteer coordinator, and this has uh a

3269
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:12,520
high value to the department to get

3270
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:14,760
somebody in there that can help um

3271
02:07:14,760 --> 02:07:17,480
coordinate volunteer projects, and maybe

3272
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:20,680
even go as far to have like a volunteer

3273
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:23,760
program where we can certify volunteers

3274
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:27,120
on chainsaws and and uh trail

3275
02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:30,240
maintenance and trail tread repair. Kind

3276
02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:32,480
of going down that road, um and I'll

3277
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:34,240
keep you posted on that, but that's a

3278
02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:37,120
very important um position to the

3279
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:38,360
council.

3280
02:07:38,360 --> 02:07:40,800
And we've also talked um I've got

3281
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:42,960
approval for the council to possibly

3282
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,360
hire a couple of seasonal workers to

3283
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:47,920
work on single track. You guys voted in

3284
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:50,000
favor of that last year. I just kind of

3285
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:53,240
wanted to refresh your memory on that.

3286
02:07:53,240 --> 02:07:55,000
we're trying to look forward to maybe

3287
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:56,880
doing something with that, too. If any

3288
02:07:56,880 --> 02:07:59,480
of you have any concerns on that, let me

3289
02:07:59,480 --> 02:08:01,640
know, but we've talked about that quite

3290
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:05,960
extensively. Um also side-by-sides,

3291
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:07,720
um I would like to have more discussion

3292
02:08:07,720 --> 02:08:10,200
with the council on helmets and seat

3293
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:13,240
belts on side by on side-by-sides.

3294
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:14,400
Um

3295
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,040
most of you have probably read the news

3296
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:18,840
of of deaths this last weekend in

3297
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:20,240
Parowan.

3298
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:21,480
Um

3299
02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:23,800
anyway, we need to talk about uh helmets

3300
02:08:23,800 --> 02:08:25,240
and side-by-sides. I'm not going to take

3301
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:27,760
up your time here, but I'd like you, if

3302
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:29,800
you could on your own, please review the

3303
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:32,680
Arizona statute on side-by-side and

3304
02:08:32,680 --> 02:08:33,920
helmets.

3305
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:35,520
Um, I think they

3306
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:37,000
out of all the ones I've studied, I

3307
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:39,360
think they're probably the one I like

3308
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:40,760
the most.

3309
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:42,200
Um,

3310
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:44,520
it's just it's just it's just

3311
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:47,440
I just cannot understand on how we can

3312
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,440
let um, our youth in a side-by-side

3313
02:08:50,440 --> 02:08:53,680
without a helmet or a seatbelt. Um, it

3314
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:55,720
just does not make any sense to me at

3315
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:56,600
all.

3316
02:08:56,600 --> 02:08:58,800
But, we'll need your support if we want

3317
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:00,160
to move forward with a with a

3318
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:03,400
legislation that's similar to an ATV.

3319
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:06,680
Um, Brett, you covered yours that you

3320
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:08,640
wanted to talk about.

3321
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:12,310
Um,

3322
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,320
Nicole, did you have something you

3323
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:17,920
wanted to chat with on um, grammar?

3324
02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:18,600
>> Yes, I

3325
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:19,880
>> Nicole,

3326
02:09:19,880 --> 02:09:21,760
>> Thank you so much and I apologize. I

3327
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:23,400
know we're over and so I'm going to keep

3328
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:25,400
this super quick, but I just wanted to

3329
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:28,520
let you guys know that um, we have

3330
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:31,240
received a couple grammar requests that

3331
02:09:31,240 --> 02:09:34,720
involve um, the OHV program and stuff

3332
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:37,440
and the reason why I'm bringing this to

3333
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:39,880
your attention is because the entity

3334
02:09:39,880 --> 02:09:42,320
that is requesting it is in active

3335
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:44,640
litigation with the state and it's very

3336
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:48,960
contentious litigation and so um,

3337
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:51,720
we are going to be handling it the same

3338
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:54,080
way that we usually handle it with, you

3339
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:56,320
know, and and under the the rules of

3340
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:59,000
grammar and everything, but um, because

3341
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,440
we are in active litigation, I think

3342
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:03,760
it's really really important that we do

3343
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:07,120
a couple things. One thing is is just

3344
02:10:07,120 --> 02:10:10,520
um, you know, uh,

3345
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:12,760
let's be let's be very very careful that

3346
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:15,240
we don't unintentionally

3347
02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:18,200
violate any kind of court orders that

3348
02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:21,040
may be existing in the case and so we

3349
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:23,280
are going to coordinate with Tess Davis,

3350
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:26,080
who's doing the RS277 litigation on

3351
02:10:26,080 --> 02:10:28,840
behalf of Flipco, and run everything

3352
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:31,160
through her. If you get questions,

3353
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:34,720
though, that relate to a grandma um from

3354
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:39,360
the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, I would very much appreciate it if you

3355
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:42,000
could bring those to Tess and I so that

3356
02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:44,200
we can just make sure that again that we

3357
02:10:44,200 --> 02:10:46,560
are not unintentionally violating any

3358
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:49,360
court orders. This is very complex

3359
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,960
litigation and very contentious

3360
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:54,000
litigation, and I just want to make

3361
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:56,760
absolutely sure that we don't get

3362
02:10:56,760 --> 02:10:59,120
ourselves in trouble because we don't

3363
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:00,760
realize um

3364
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:03,880
exactly what what the dynamic is, and I

3365
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:06,280
am not the expert on this litigation at

3366
02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:07,880
all, so that's why we're going to bring

3367
02:11:07,880 --> 02:11:12,120
in the other attorney, Tess Davis, okay?

3368
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:14,600
>> Sounds good. Thank you, Nicole.

3369
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:17,560
Rachel, you needed a sec real quick um

3370
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:19,320
to talk about the survey.

3371
02:11:19,320 --> 02:11:22,240
>> Yeah. So, tomorrow at 8:00 a.m.,

3372
02:11:22,240 --> 02:11:24,320
everyone will have an email from me. It

3373
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:27,200
will include a survey as well as fiscal

3374
02:11:27,200 --> 02:11:31,000
year 2026 overview of the over grant.

3375
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:33,080
So, the survey uh

3376
02:11:33,080 --> 02:11:36,480
please please take that. It and give us

3377
02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:37,920
your honest feedback. It's the only way

3378
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:39,880
that we can really help improve the

3379
02:11:39,880 --> 02:11:42,040
advisory council and what we're doing,

3380
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:43,600
as well as the grant itself, what's

3381
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:45,400
working, what's not working. So, please,

3382
02:11:45,400 --> 02:11:47,160
if you do have the opportunity and the

3383
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:49,520
time to take it, please do. And then,

3384
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,280
just real quickly, the overview um you

3385
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:54,440
can see for fiscal year 2026, and you

3386
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:56,840
can compare it to our last year

3387
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:58,720
um that was sent out as well. So, you'll

3388
02:11:58,720 --> 02:12:01,200
see that email from me tomorrow.

3389
02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:02,520
Thank you.

3390
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:05,080
>> I got one other thing. Um Todd, you'd

3391
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:08,760
like to jump in for 1 sec.

3392
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:11,560
>> Sure, thanks for your time. Uh my name's

3393
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:13,640
Todd Royce. I'm the law enforcement uh

3394
02:12:13,640 --> 02:12:15,240
chief or the division director of the

3395
02:12:15,240 --> 02:12:16,600
Division of Law Enforcement. I

3396
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:18,960
appreciate what you guys do and the time

3397
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:20,240
that you guys spend on all of these

3398
02:12:20,240 --> 02:12:22,480
subjects. Um

3399
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:24,720
in talking with Jason Curry and and some

3400
02:12:24,720 --> 02:12:27,040
of my staff members, I felt it important

3401
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,280
that we spend a little bit more time

3402
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:30,600
with uh

3403
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:33,400
this advisory council. And and and if

3404
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:36,680
it's okay with with the the council, uh

3405
02:12:36,680 --> 02:12:38,000
we would like to come and report

3406
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,400
periodically on the law enforcement

3407
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:43,000
efforts that's being done uh across the

3408
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,840
state and take uh a short amount of time

3409
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:46,960
to just

3410
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:47,800
um

3411
02:12:47,800 --> 02:12:50,240
to go over that and answer any questions

3412
02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:55,200
if that's okay. I just wanted to put that out there and and maybe get

3413
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:56,680
it on the agenda for one of these

3414
02:12:56,680 --> 02:13:01,230
upcoming meetings.

3415
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:03,720
» Excellent. Thanks, Todd.

3416
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:05,640
>> That's that's all I got. And again,

3417
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:07,560
council, if any of you want to call me

3418
02:13:07,560 --> 02:13:09,440
up, I'm headed through the canyon. Give

3419
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,760
me an hour and I'll be back in cell

3420
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:13,560
phone. I'd love to follow up with if you

3421
02:13:13,560 --> 02:13:18,310
had any of you have any questions.

3422
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,400
» Okay, thank you, Wade. Appreciate your

3423
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:22,200
efforts and your time. And thank you for

3424
02:13:22,200 --> 02:13:24,680
your reports and your emails, too.

3425
02:13:24,680 --> 02:13:28,000
That is very helpful. So

3426
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,240
Um

3427
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:31,920
Okay, [clears throat] we I I think we're

3428
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:35,320
out of time for public comment, so

3429
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:36,280
um

3430
02:13:36,280 --> 02:13:37,880
and I don't see any other members of the

3431
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:39,560
public here other than what we've

3432
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:41,800
already included.

3433
02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:42,800
Uh

3434
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:44,920
Rachel, you've got your hand up.

3435
02:13:44,920 --> 02:13:47,117
>> Yep. Mr. Chair, Jason. Just

3436
02:13:47,117 --> 02:13:47,760
[clears throat] a couple of things I

3437
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,040
wanted to mention really briefly before

3438
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:52,790
we conclude here.

3439
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:53,560
» Go ahead.

3440
02:13:53,560 --> 02:13:55,400
>> Um so first of all, thank you for uh

3441
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:57,640
accepting another term as chair. We

3442
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:00,280
appreciate that. And uh just appreciate

3443
02:14:00,280 --> 02:14:02,440
the council overall. Um

3444
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:04,560
last month, I was asked to come and

3445
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,320
provide testimony at the legislature as

3446
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:09,240
they can as they consider sunsets. And a

3447
02:14:09,240 --> 02:14:11,160
sunset means that there will be, you

3448
02:14:11,160 --> 02:14:13,960
know, a a an end date to some provision

3449
02:14:13,960 --> 02:14:16,320
of the law. So, the advisory council is

3450
02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:18,680
scheduled to sunset in 2027, meaning it

3451
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:20,720
will go away out of law.

3452
02:14:20,720 --> 02:14:23,000
So, uh they asked me to come and um and

3453
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:25,640
give my thoughts on um if it should be

3454
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:28,480
sunsetted or or not. And um

3455
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,400
obviously I uh I

3456
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:32,600
testified to the fact that this is a a

3457
02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:35,600
very valuable group that we um could not

3458
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:37,600
do our work without you.

3459
02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:40,040
Um I would I would encourage you to go

3460
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:41,720
and listen to it. I sent a a link to

3461
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:44,120
Jason um so he could see it or listen to

3462
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:48,080
it. Um so just just underscore the value

3463
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:50,680
of this group and the communication.

3464
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:52,280
Talking about the the audit, that was

3465
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:53,880
the main main recommendation in the

3466
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:55,480
audit is that is that our communication

3467
02:14:55,480 --> 02:14:57,640
with the advisory council um

3468
02:14:57,640 --> 02:14:59,720
was not adequate in the past. And um and

3469
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:01,000
what we've been doing so far we'll

3470
02:15:01,000 --> 02:15:03,200
continue to to do in the future. Um

3471
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:04,640
we're

3472
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:07,200
we we welcome any amount of information

3473
02:15:07,200 --> 02:15:09,480
that the council or that the uh

3474
02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:12,760
um you know, the council wants. And um

3475
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:15,520
so just just make sure that as we enter

3476
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:17,520
into the next legislative session, there

3477
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:18,840
are building blocks that we will be

3478
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:21,160
requesting. Wade already hit on on those

3479
02:15:21,160 --> 02:15:23,560
with a couple of of employees that will

3480
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:27,080
be um operating in a um a compliance way

3481
02:15:27,080 --> 02:15:28,520
and in a um

3482
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:30,960
trail uh single track way and then also

3483
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:34,200
in a um an education

3484
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:36,360
position or two. So, um as we get closer

3485
02:15:36,360 --> 02:15:37,360
to those dates, we want to make sure

3486
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:38,600
we're sharing all those with you and get

3487
02:15:38,600 --> 02:15:41,840
your your feedback on on

3488
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:46,030
those requests.

3489
02:15:46,040 --> 02:15:48,240
» Thank you, Jason. And thank you for uh

3490
02:15:48,240 --> 02:15:50,760
um standing up for our council, too. Uh

3491
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:51,640
we

3492
02:15:51,640 --> 02:15:53,520
all are very passionate about being on

3493
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:54,680
this. And

3494
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:57,120
um we are grateful for the opportunity

3495
02:15:57,120 --> 02:15:59,840
to be involved in how our registration

3496
02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:01,240
dollars are handled.

3497
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:03,760
So, thank you.

3498
02:16:03,760 --> 02:16:04,920
Um

3499
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:07,360
Okay, moving on. Uh we're I think we're

3500
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,440
pretty well done. We do have public

3501
02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:11,080
comment, but I think we're over time.

3502
02:16:11,080 --> 02:16:14,000
So, we'll we'll negate that this time.

3503
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:19,160
Um I'll accept a motion to adjourn.

3504
02:16:19,160 --> 02:16:21,160
>> This is Brody. I make a motion to

3505
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:22,840
adjourn the meeting.

3506
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:25,160
>> I'll second that.

3507
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:27,160
>> Motion made by Brody, seconded by Mike.

3508
02:16:27,160 --> 02:16:29,000
We are adjourned. Thank you, everybody

3509
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:30,480
for your time.

3510
02:16:30,480 --> 02:16:31,400
>> Thanks, everybody.

3511
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:33,519
>> Thank you.

3512
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:34,679
>> I'll

3513
02:16:34,679 --> 02:16:35,559
>> Thank you,

3514
02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:37,880
they said