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order today is July 14th, 2026. I've got

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we are ending this meeting for the

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Utah OHV Advisory Committee

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or Council, excuse me.

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agenda. Um real quick, let's go through

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and do introductions. We have a couple

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of new members we'd like to welcome

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um Dean and Lacy to our Council

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as our newest members.

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Um we'll have

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uh introductions here real quick. We'll

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go around the room.

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Um we'll start in the

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uh office in Salt Lake. If you guys

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don't mind going around the room

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and tell us your name and what your role

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is in relation to the Council

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and then we'll go through everybody

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that's online.

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» Okay. Uh my name is Rachel Toker. I

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oversee and manage the OHV Recreation

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Grant for the state.

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>> I'm Maureen Casper. I manage contracts

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and compliance for the division.

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>> I'm Evan Bych. I administer the

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recreational trails program for the

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» I'm Wendy Harley, Land Trails and

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Planning Program Director.

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>> Tara McKee, uh Deputy Director over grants and youth

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and um

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Youth engagement, sorry.

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>> I'm Thomas Shoemaker, Program

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Superintendent. I oversee all things

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Shoemaker in the

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state of the division.

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>> Mike Ennis, I'm the Operations

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Coordinator for the Trail Crew Program.

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>> Jason Curry, Division Director.

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>> Okay, thank you. Um we'll go around to

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the Council members now. I'm Jason

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Blank, an at large and chairman of the

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calling in from Vernal.

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Let's go to Scott.

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Can't hear you, Scott.

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>> I'm sorry about that. I'm getting slow.

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off-road motorcycle rep and I live in

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>> Okay, Mike.

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>> Uh Mike Cook. I'm the safety rep

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>> Okay, Brody.

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>> Brody Johnson. I am the ATV

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representative from Enoch, Utah.

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>> Okay, Nicole.

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>> I'm Nicole Nelson. I'm with the Public

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Lands Policy Coordinating Office and I

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am also in Price, Utah.

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>> Okay, Brett.

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>> I am the full-size four-wheel drive rep

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and usually I'm in Draper, but today I'm

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in the bustling Midvale metroplex.

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» Okay, Russum.

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>> Russum.

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» Going down. Sorry. Russ.

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» Yeah, Russ Kazaer with Russ Lands

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I'm in Davis County. Layton is the city

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>> Thank you, Sheriff Curtis.

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» Sheriff Nathan Curtis, Sevier County

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Sheriff. I'm in Richfield and I am the

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search and rescue representative.

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» Okay, thank you. Um

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standing board members that are here.

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Let's go ahead. Dean, why don't you

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introduce yourself?

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>> I'm I'm Dean Harris. I live in Mendon.

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newest members here and excited to join

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learn some of the

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ins and outs of this division.

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>> Thank you, Dean. Lacey.

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>> Hi, I'm Lacey and I own D&P Performance

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>> Excellent. Welcome aboard.

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>> Yeah, Wade Alston, the OHV program

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manager.

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» Okay, thanks, Wade. I think that's

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the first action item on our agenda,

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which is approval of the June 17 meeting

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minutes.

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Does anybody Everybody have chance to

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review those? Any comments or concerns

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or things that need to be adjusted?

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You want to hear my my complaint?

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it talks about a fuel issue in Logan

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Canyon. I don't recall talking about

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anything in Logan Canyon dealing with

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single track and fuel shortages. So, I'm

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not sure where that came from, but I

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didn't say anything about it, I don't

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» Where was that at again?

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a project that had taken place up there

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at one time, getting fuel up to or a a

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coordinated project.

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actually put a fuel tank up by the

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U dot shed for the groomers. That's

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probably what's what you're talking

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>> It is probably just a misprint of the

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name. Can you repeat the time period for

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something I didn't do.

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Utah helping us get us a temporary tank

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the process of being up there.

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make that change and change the name so

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that it no longer says Scott Wheeler.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Any other changes that

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approve the minutes as amended.

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>> This is Brody. I would I make a motion

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to approve the minutes as amended.

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>> Okay. Motion by Brody, second by Scott.

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Dean and Lacy, you can abstain from this

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one since you weren't part of that

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many meeting minutes have been approved.

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equipment trail crew update. Um

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just to keep us all on schedule, we we

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need to uh keep this

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conversation brief.

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we can all get on to the other things in

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our lives that are going on. So, some

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people have to be out of here at a hard

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5:30, so let's make sure that we're efficient with our conversation

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and discussion today and

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um that being the case, uh Mike, if

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you've got a minute to go over the heavy

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or approved to fund um some heavy

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yeah, Mike, go ahead and take it away

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>> Yeah, this is Mike Thomas. You get two

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that out. But just just a really quick

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statement in the name of time, like you

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um being here and

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heavy equipment section of the program

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um it'll hopefully, you know, uh

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contribute to a more statewide effort

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and bigger scope of work and more things

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excited about. Um so, we just wanted to

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run through this with you so you're all

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quick and leave plenty of time for

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questions at the end, but um, just some

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conducting trail work. Over the years

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equipment work and this year we did

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equipment operation, um, the original

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idea was that we would like we have uh,

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two newly hired employees that would

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function as the heavy equipment crew.

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conducting that work. Uh, when we

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realizing we we had a lot of variables,

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potential concerns and and a lot of

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costs associated with that operation.

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planning process. Uh, those travel costs

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being a huge one. Um, just what it would

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equipment on a regular basis around the

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with a regional approach. Um, we've been

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very successful with this operation. Um,

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and just enhance what we're already

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operating out of

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when it comes to heavy equipment

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operation. And so our plan as of now,

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um

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this [snorts] is just the the house bill

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information coming from this

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legislation. Um and I do believe

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everything that we are planning to move

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forward does satisfy the language in

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this.

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And so our our plan now is to take again

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the the current model we're running with

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and have [clears throat] our crew

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supervisors be trained um to become

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equipment operators. Um so they would

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still stay within their regions. We

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would just get machines to them.

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Um and a big part of that also would be

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us creating four new positions for the

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program. So currently our crew leads are

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just seasonal roles. Um so a big part of

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this plan would be uh creating those

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four positions into full-time

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year-round.

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>> So can I just clarify that real quick?

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We're not creating four new positions.

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We're still creating two.

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But transit We're doing that by

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increasing four of them by half.

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>> Yes.

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>> That's probably a little There's a lot

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of nuance to that, but just want to make

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sure I'm clarifying. We're not adding

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four.

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We're just increasing four so that we

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have the equivalent of two FTEs added.

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>> Yes.

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>> Money-wise and position-wise.

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>> That is the intent to make them more

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capable, more robust. Yes.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Thanks, Jason.

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>> Thank you.

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Yeah, so what our plan for this and and

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the reason behind it would be this will

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allow us to now once once our

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supervisors are up and running with

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equipment operation, that'll allow them

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to then take a crew member um

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go and and conduct a a heavy equipment

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project while at the same time that crew

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lead is running the hand crew on a

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different project elsewhere. So really

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maximizing the amount of projects that

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we're able to to

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continue doing through the year.

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Um what adding that full-time year-round

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position also does is allows us to then

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uh continue to to do heavy equipment

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works throughout that off season,

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especially in our southern regions. And

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so, um we have already started planning

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for training opportunities. Um and here

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it says

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that we would be prioritizing this this

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off season, which is true, but

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we've already planned to to have to or

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to initiate

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our folks into training starting next

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month. Um so, we're already lining that

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up and and getting that stuff ready

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um when it comes to preparation.

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Um like I had mentioned before, the the

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travel aspect of that one crew working

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all around the state was

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a huge barrier and and I think would

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really reduce the amount of work done.

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With this model that I'm talking about

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right now,

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we will at minimum be doubling the

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amount of projects around the state that

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we would be able to do with that one

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crew. And I think we'll be able to do it

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much more effectively and be able to

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spread that work around the state much

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more effectively.

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Um so, here

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just some more general benefits of of

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what we're talking about here.

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More operators that are capable to do

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this work around the state.

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Drastically reducing ongoing costs when

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it comes to travel

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and and those types of expenses.

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And

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more career progression. We're really

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hoping that this is something that

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will help us with both recruitment and

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retention when it comes to our employees

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cuz we're really giving them the skills

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and certifications to really to build a

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career within DNR.

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Um

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So,

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the funding that we're receiving was

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noted on one of the earlier slides, but

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it was broken down to ongoing and then

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we are receiving some one-time funding.

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So, we do we are cutting um of the the

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one-time funding needs um through this

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model when it comes to additional

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uh vehicles and trailers and things like

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that. Um but we hope to be able to use

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some of that money to purchase more

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equipment um that we can distribute

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throughout the state so we're not having

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to do as much sharing and transporting

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machines um when needed.

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Um but that is our plan there.

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And

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yeah, that's the

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very high-level overview of what we're

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looking to do. So I just wanted to open

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up um open it up to you all for any

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questions you have.

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>> Uh this this is Brody. I got um a

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couple, but I'll just start out with the

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first one.

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Is

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your the the when you say full-time or or year-round, on here it said during

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the off-season you'd be doing training.

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So during the off-season there would be

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no heavy equipment work?

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>> Um no, so that when I mentioned that um

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that would be prioritizing heavy

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equipment training during this

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off-season of of 2026.

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Um and that that's just because that

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would be the the most amount of time we

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would have to just be able to just focus

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on that and not have those supervisors

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working heavy crew projects at the same

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time. Um but yeah, ongoing into the

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future we would with with these two

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employees that would be working through

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the winter in each region, um we would

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plan to continue heavy equipment

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projects throughout the winter.

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>> Now, when you say region, uh besides

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the Richfield, what other two regions

431
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are you talking about?

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» Are are you referring to where work

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would be

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>> You said three regions. What what are

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the three regions?

436
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>> Um so four regions we have right now. We

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have our northern region, um which is

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Salt Lake City all the way over to

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Vernal.

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And then we have southeast, which is

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based out of Moab, central in Richfield,

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and southwest out of Cedar City.

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>> All right. And then

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do you anticipate using the heavy

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equipment crew

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in northern Utah during the winter?

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» Sorry,

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>> All right. Do you anticipate a need or

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are you using the heavy equipment crew

450
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in northern Utah during the winter

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months?

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>> I think the the work need would be the

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lowest with our northern crew throughout

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the winter.

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But again, that that region is our

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biggest. It spans all the way over to

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the Vernal area. And so I think there still is potential there.

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And I think that off-season will also

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give us the opportunity to have regions

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combine on projects, too. And so I I

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think it it could definitely be

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an ongoing thing where our north region

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employees could go down to Moab or

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the Cedar City area and assist with

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heavy equipment projects having multiple

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machines on those projects as well.

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>> And then my last one for a little bit

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cuz I'm hogging up the time.

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Will the heavy equipment crew be used on

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anything non-motorized?

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» Yeah, we're we're still talking about

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all of that.

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I think the intention here would be

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initially they would be focused on on

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motorized work. But I think just over

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time we would weigh kind of

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what time we have and how to distribute

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that work.

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>> And and I And to be clear, too, this is

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a this is a legislative appropriation.

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Legislature appropriated funds to pay

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for these two employees.

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Some of those funds came from the OHV

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account, some of them came from the

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outdoor adventure fund. So, there's

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justification for some non-motorized,

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but like Mike said, pretty much

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exclusively motorized.

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>> Yes.

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So, how much of the total amount was

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from the OHV fund and how much from the

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legislature? Was that the

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that

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15 or 80,000 or whatever that was? Um

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80,000?

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>> Yeah, it was 80,000 from outdoor fund

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and and 380 from OHV.

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>> And what was from And and which was from

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Sorry, again. What was from the

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legislature out of those that that fund?

501
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>> Okay, it was all from the legislature,

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but the legislature appropriates funding

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from different sources. One source, uh

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the OHV restricted account, 380.

505
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>> Yes.

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>> And then another source, the outdoor

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adventure fund, they appropriated

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>> 80.

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>> Yeah, another 80. So, yeah. So, a total of 460. So, yeah,

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the vast majority of it from the OHV

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restricted account.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> I have a just a comment, no questions.

514
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Uh 20 minutes isn't enough time to

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discuss what's going on here.

516
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Uh

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so, I'm just throwing that out. There's

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no way we can discuss the needs of this

519
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and come up with a consensus

520
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in 20 minutes. And so, that's my two

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cents.

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>> I would agree with Scott on this. Um I

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have

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I don't know. I have some concerns.

525
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Seems like uh we're

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getting awful close to mixing motorized

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with non-motorized. I realize that

528
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there's a portion of the money that came

529
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from the outdoor adventure fund, but um

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I just

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I visited with Mike Johnson

532
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just real quick before the meeting. I

533
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want to visit with him more, but I kind of expressed I'm not sure how

534
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you'll save and travel.

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You know, cuz if you have to load those

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up,

537
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you know, unless you're working in your

538
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backyard, you have to load that

539
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equipment up and

540
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you know,

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pay people to go out to burn oil per se,

542
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you know, so you you're still going to

543
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have to pay the per diem

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and everything.

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Um

546
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seems like it might be easier to

547
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designate them as a motorized crew

548
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and have people that are super good at

549
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running the equipment.

550
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Uh not like that they wouldn't be, but

551
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it takes a long time to learn how to run

552
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equipment efficiently.

553
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,040
Um

554
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seems like you'd be

555
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,840
might be better off to designate them as

556
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a motorized crew and then

557
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use some of the if there is a

558
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non-motorized project to use some of

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that 80

560
00:21:58,530 --> 00:21:59,240
>> [cough and clears throat]

561
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,480
>> to pay them to move in and clean up a

562
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,360
trail head or something like that. Um

563
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,520
then to kind of mix the pot.

564
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,120
Uh

565
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,800
I don't know. It just seems like it's

566
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,720
complicating something that may not be

567
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,320
uh

568
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,280
might be easier to separate them and

569
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,640
then just pull that money,

570
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,080
you know, if we're needing motorized for

571
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,800
not or heavy equipment for non-motorized

572
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,360
projects, I have no problem with that.

573
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,080
Uh but it might be easier to almost run

574
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,400
them from the OHV program.

575
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,040
Um and that that would keep everything

576
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,320
clear and it'd be easy to see where the

577
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,040
money's going.

578
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,760
And I think I think one crew that has a

579
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,520
little bit more flexible schedule

580
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,600
actually, in my eyes, might be more

581
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,160
efficient than four crews that are tied down cuz

582
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,200
what if a job takes

583
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,320
a three-day job turns into a five-day

584
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,600
job or something like that. Um

585
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,880
you know, you just can't necessarily go,

586
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,040
"Oh,

587
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,080
done our three days and we're gone." You

588
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,120
know, especially with heavy equipment.

589
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,920
Um but but I do

590
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,960
agree with Scott. 30 minutes isn't or 20

591
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,360
minutes isn't

592
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,480
time enough to discuss all this, I don't

593
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:17,600
think.

594
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,680
So.

595
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,200
>> What type of training have you looked at

596
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,960
for this and what what's going to be

597
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,520
required to do to operate this equipment

598
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,520
on forest and

599
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,950
um BLM ground?

600
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,080
» Uh yeah, so BLM doesn't currently have

601
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,920
any policy on this. Um the forest does

602
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,640
have a certification program and I've

603
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,400
spoken with Grant Julander from the

604
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,840
Fishlake National Forest and he's he's

605
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,040
certified to certify individuals on any

606
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,360
type of heavy equipment. Um so he has

607
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:50,880
agreed to to work with and and certify

608
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,360
our crews on on all the machines that we

609
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,160
will be working on.

610
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,240
Um and then the the training that we're

611
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,200
planning on sending folks to next month.

612
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680
>> Mike can leave you a little more info on

613
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:02,840
that.

614
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,560
>> Yeah, that's just something we've

615
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,840
actually had invoice to every year no

616
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,960
matter what staff we have. It's been out

617
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,200
of Weber Basin for heavy equipment.

618
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,160
Weber Basin Job Corps puts on one that

619
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,280
actually it's the Forest Service that's

620
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,960
partnership with them and they usually

621
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,800
invite us every year to participate in.

622
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,560
So we're going to make use of that even

623
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,800
if that means

624
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,120
we're going to go a little deeper to

625
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,720
enhance the training for our specific

626
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,910
purposes as well.

627
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,000
» And uh

628
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,080
this is Carly here. I'm just curious

629
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,400
what other questions or information we

630
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,080
could provide um if this is a

631
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,440
conversation that needs more long-form

632
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,880
discussion. We do a really great job of

633
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,440
uh

634
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,560
capturing all of the work that our trail

635
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,320
crews do um on on the ground and so we

636
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,240
are really confident in our ability to

637
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,520
say, you know, our goals for the other

638
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,160
crews are 50% non-motorized, 50%

639
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,600
motorized. Um and so we can be really

640
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,480
strategic in the way we plan out the

641
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,240
season ahead to honor that percentage

642
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,920
split between the

643
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,720
um, outdoor adventure fund money and

644
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,120
then the OHV account. So,

645
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,040
I thought is a the big that's the

646
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,120
concern that I'm kind of hearing

647
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,840
here. Uh, and you know, Mike I think

648
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,360
Mike Cook brought up a couple um, other

649
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,800
concerns as well. But, um, just wanting

650
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,680
to to have you all know that we're

651
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,600
really confident in our ability to help

652
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,080
track that. Um, and it's very it's

653
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,840
plays into our integrity for where these

654
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,960
funds come from, right? Um, I think we

655
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,480
all look at ourselves as taxpayer

656
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,440
stewards and if we can do something with

657
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,960
the um,

658
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,400
the allotment that we've been

659
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,760
um,

660
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,200
awarded, uh, entrusted with, if we can

661
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,280
look at that money and and do more with

662
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,040
it that we we that's why we wanted to

663
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,920
have this conversation

664
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,960
today with you all because we think we

665
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,920
can really deliver more impact with

666
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,400
these dollars

667
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,400
by leveraging the efficiencies that

668
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:13,430
already exist in our current operations.

669
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,080
» Wade, do you have any input on this? I

670
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,960
know you've got to take off here pretty

671
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,790
quick, but

672
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,950
if you don't mind.

673
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,960
» You know, I I think this model could work.

674
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,120
Um, I think the accountability piece

675
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,160
needs to be in place.

676
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,440
I do have some of the concerns

677
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,680
uh, of, you know, making sure that uh,

678
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,280
that it's focused primarily on

679
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,120
um, motorized work rather than

680
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,000
non-motorized. I think that was the

681
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840
spirit behind it. Regardless of where

682
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,760
the funding comes from, I think that was

683
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,560
how it was presented. That it was going

684
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,080
to be working on motorized trails. So, I

685
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,560
think we need to be

686
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,840
pretty strong in that area. Um

687
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,440
cuz that was the intent of it.

688
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,080
>> Thank you.

689
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,080
>> Yeah, maybe [clears throat] I'll just

690
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,720
add a little bit more color to this cuz

691
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,360
you hopefully you recall we um we sought

692
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,320
the council's advice on the heavy

693
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,160
equipment crew last year or earlier this

694
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,960
year because that was our intent was to

695
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:23,680
um

696
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,240
to petition the legislature for an

697
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040
additional appropriation. So, um as it

698
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,640
was uh

699
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,960
as it was laid out at that time, it was

700
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,400
a single crew.

701
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Um and so,

702
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,240
when the legislature heard from me, uh

703
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,160
the way I laid it out was a a crew based

704
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,400
in Richfield, um heavy equipment for

705
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,840
motorized use. And as um

706
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Mike Innis and Mike Thomas they have

707
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,280
looked at it, they they have um

708
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,280
a different approach. So, that's why we

709
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,640
want to seek your advice is basically on

710
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,680
that change of course. Is is this really

711
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,680
um something that you you know, we're

712
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,120
seeking your advice on? What do you What

713
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,960
is your advice? Should we stick to the

714
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,760
original plan, or should we modify it um

715
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,520
to reflect this um

716
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,560
and I do believe it it could really work

717
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,080
better from an efficiency standpoint.

718
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,920
You know, you talk about travel and per

719
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,960
diem.

720
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,400
A lot of these folks are probably going

721
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320
to be doing work within their home unit.

722
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,720
So, they won't even have to do travel at

723
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,280
all. If it's a Richfield-based crew,

724
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,800
they would almost always have to travel

725
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,480
unless they're doing it at in Richfield.

726
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
So, there is that. I 100% agree, and

727
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,920
it's my main focus is to make sure we

728
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,480
get really solid, good operators out of

729
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,000
this effort. I want to make sure that we

730
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,320
have

731
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,480
solid, solid training so that we are the

732
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080
experts so we can become through, you

733
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320
know, the the

734
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,640
sort of distribution of this program

735
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,120
throughout the four regions that that we

736
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,240
get

737
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,800
four really good strong experts in heavy

738
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,360
equipment operation and and off-highway

739
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,120
vehicle trail maintenance. I do agree

740
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,960
with what Carly said, we're we've gotten

741
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,840
a system down pat to where

742
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,400
you know, mixing of motorized

743
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,800
non-motorized and the hours that are

744
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,680
spent I just don't see that happening.

745
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,920
We've got a really really good system.

746
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,880
The crews are meticulous in how they

747
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,880
report that time. So,

748
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,160
um

749
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,840
just a little bit more flavor to it.

750
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,720
Again, it's something that it's it

751
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,080
represents a change in how we originally

752
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,960
proposed this. And that's why we want

753
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,040
your advice is to say, should we stick with the

754
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,160
original plan or should we

755
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880
be agile and

756
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,430
take a different approach?

757
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,680
» I have a comment here right now.

758
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Is there a chart that's been put

759
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
together where the the centralized where

760
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,480
the most trails that need heavy

761
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,600
equipment on in the state? I would

762
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,480
assume more in the central part of the

763
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360
state would be where most of the

764
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,280
maintenance is being done by heavy

765
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,280
equipment. I don't know how much usage

766
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,080
there is on non-motorized in the

767
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560
northern part, but

768
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,680
I think the central part of the state

769
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360
has the the majority of

770
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,320
the usage right now. I'm not sure, but

771
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,040
does that has anybody kept track of

772
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,080
that?

773
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080
>> That's a a great question. I'll chime in

774
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,360
on that, too. So, one side of our team

775
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,960
is on the trails, you know, they're

776
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,800
moving dirt on the ground and the other

777
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,840
side of our team is pretty sophisticated

778
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,560
GIS mapping and data analytics experts.

779
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,840
And we've been measuring outdoor

780
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,800
recreation trends

781
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,480
throughout the state of Utah and in doing some regional planning

782
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,880
efforts where we're trying to unearth

783
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,560
what are the community values,

784
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,640
where do we need to put our resources?

785
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,880
And overwhelmingly in the central part

786
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,920
of the state. We're hearing

787
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,440
that the motorized recreation is a huge

788
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,440
part of the culture and and what makes

789
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,480
that place so wonderful

790
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,600
and that maintenance is a big huge

791
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640
priority. So, we are looking at at that.

792
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,600
We still have more work to do and

793
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,280
relying on locals to help lead the way

794
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,320
and and and guide us.

795
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,360
Um, since they know their backyards

796
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,240
more than anyone else.

797
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,240
>> How much

798
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,400
coordinating goes on with the There's

799
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,080
other

800
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160
pieces of heavy equipment that, you

801
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,840
know, the the some of the the groups

802
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,160
have, some of the the counties have. How

803
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,360
much coordinating is going on with those

804
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,376
groups in doing the heavy work?

805
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:28,400
» [snorts]

806
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,720
>> Yeah, I mean, currently that's that's

807
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,320
something that that we're looking at

808
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,360
just as a whole. I mean, again, you

809
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,920
know, just this is an addition to a

810
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,560
section of the program basically is a

811
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,000
saying that we're we're ready to take on

812
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,480
the heavy equipment world and to be able

813
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160
to coordinate that. So,

814
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,360
we're looking looking forward to more

815
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,240
collaboration on that.

816
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
There's also future opportunities which

817
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,560
I wouldn't, you know, necessarily

818
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,920
promise here without looking at it, but

819
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840
where you got like a if a county has a

820
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,240
machine, maybe they got grant funded,

821
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,720
you know, a few years back or some at

822
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,480
some point, but it may not be getting

823
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,560
used. There may be some cross

824
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,320
collaboration there where

825
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,360
county is a branch of the state

826
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,240
risk-wise or stuff that could be

827
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,760
possibly worked out for the future for

828
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,520
collaboration

829
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,800
with those that already have the heavy

830
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,840
equipment capability. So, yeah, we would also look forward to that and

831
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,000
then I think the supervisors, if they

832
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,920
were

833
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,880
united in this opportunity,

834
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,280
would play a larger role in in

835
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,397
establishing those type of partnerships.

836
00:32:23,407 --> 00:32:25,950
» [snorts]

837
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,480
» So, it sounds like there are are

838
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,520
definitely some some lingering questions

839
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,720
here.

840
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,920
Um, I guess

841
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,400
it appears like right now

842
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,120
The the council wouldn't be comfortable

843
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,880
offering advice either direction.

844
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,880
Is that

845
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
pretty much sum it up?

846
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,040
>> Well, it sounds like we need some more

847
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,520
discussion.

848
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,240
>> more questions about like I said, 20 25

849
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,040
minutes isn't enough time to discuss

850
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,360
these things. Uh and and actually, I'm

851
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,800
not privy to everything that's been

852
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,840
going on and it would take a while to

853
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,280
bring me up to speed so that I could

854
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,640
make a good comment about what to do and not

855
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,880
to do, but I would think you would want

856
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,880
to centralize the equipment where the work is being done. If there's not

857
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,760
any work being done in the northern part

858
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,360
of the state, well, you wouldn't have

859
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:14,840
the equipment there. You'd want to have

860
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,520
it where the trails are at that's being

861
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,960
used. Uh and I it looks like the major

862
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280
percentage of funding is coming from the

863
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:29,320
motorized end of this, but uh and I have no problem in in working

864
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,240
with the non-motorized side. I do

865
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,480
non-motorized stuff myself.

866
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
But, I we need to be accountable for

867
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
where the money and the funding's coming

868
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,000
from.

869
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,040
>> Yeah, the accountability is not a

870
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,920
question in my mind. That's that's very

871
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,120
simple and straightforward. This is

872
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,080
almost always going to be motorized.

873
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,560
If there was non-motorized, it would be

874
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,480
an exceptional case, but I don't think

875
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:50,720
we're

876
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,120
>> Cleaning up forest fire damage.

877
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,800
>> What?

878
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,920
>> Maybe cleaning up the damage from all

879
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,560
the wildfires that we've had. Just

880
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760
getting the trail cleared off.

881
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,200
>> Yeah. Yeah, so anyway, um I'll I'll I'll

882
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
put it this way. If if, you know,

883
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,960
if if there isn't advice either way,

884
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,320
we'll probably just proceed with plan A

885
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,679
at this point. You know, right now.

886
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,320
Based on what we know now, based on what

887
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,600
we're committed to,

888
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,760
we will probably proceed

889
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,159
with the original intent unless the

890
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,600
council sees value in what's being

891
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,639
proposed here today. But but, you know,

892
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,200
open to open to it.

893
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,280
>> I I guess ultimately,

894
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,919
um

895
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:31,960
maybe some direction on what what is

896
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,000
needed from the council. Is it just a a

897
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,200
vote to go one way or the other with

898
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,560
this? Is it

899
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
>> We're just seeking your advice. Um you

900
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
know, plan A as we presented it

901
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,480
originally to you all was um we would

902
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,200
have one group and it would be based in

903
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,840
Richfield. And um and so

904
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,080
you know, I wish Mike would have been

905
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,919
around at the time to to help with this

906
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:55,960
thought process, but you know, but since

907
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,360
we made that you know, that original

908
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,560
plan

909
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,280
um we're looking to potentially deviate

910
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,880
from it and and take this re- more

911
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,440
regional type approach. And so the

912
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,920
decision's kind of already been made.

913
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,360
You guys already bought off on it.

914
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,680
Legislature's funded it to do a regional

915
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,640
uh not regional, but a Richfield-based

916
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,880
heavy equipment crew that will do

917
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,880
um off-highway vehicle um trail

918
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,080
maintenance from a heavy equipment

919
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,240
perspective. Um

920
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,800
So, we can't can't you know, what what is your advice when we we have

921
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,560
this decision in front of us?

922
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:31,600
That's kind of

923
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,200
>> Can I just ask a question with this? And

924
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,840
Mike and Mike

925
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,480
uh

926
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,680
help us understand. I mean

927
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,360
dollar for dollar, what do you see

928
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,400
um

929
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,880
giving us more

930
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,080
maintained trail

931
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,600
with these two options?

932
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,240
>> Yeah, I I I absolutely believe that the

933
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,440
regional approach would be the best to

934
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,400
use the taxpayer dollars here. I think

935
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,840
we would um we would get way many

936
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,040
projects out of this. Um from comments

937
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,080
made about Central, like yes, we are

938
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,680
doing um the our Central crew is doing uh the

939
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,600
highest percentage of motorized work out

940
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480
of our other crews. Um and that is

941
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,000
associated with the use there. Um but

942
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
this this model wouldn't be saying that

943
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,600
we wouldn't be focusing work there. We

944
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,480
would just already have someone there

945
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,680
that would be able to work there

946
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
full-time rather than if we had this one

947
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,600
crew

948
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,280
for one we we couldn't just allow them

949
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,280
to focus time there because this this

950
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,200
funding is for a statewide effort.

951
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,520
Um, and so

952
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,320
having that been said that that if we

953
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
had one crew there based out of there,

954
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,160
they wouldn't be able to be doing

955
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,600
projects when they're elsewhere

956
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,440
throughout the state. And then on that

957
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,680
travel aspect of things as Jason

958
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920
mentioned right now,

959
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,960
um, our our projects and work locations

960
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,920
if you look at our heat map

961
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,800
um, of our regional crews,

962
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,840
um, they're on average traveling an hour

963
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,520
or less to their project sites. Whereas

964
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,240
if this was one crew, they're traveling

965
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,600
three plus hours to every project

966
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,920
outside of central region. Um, which

967
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,360
means that they do have they or they

968
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
would have to be paid per diem and and

969
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,920
we're talking probably a full day of

970
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,080
travel out of each project. Um,

971
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080
and another aspect of this when it comes

972
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,200
to just

973
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,000
um, best use of funds, uh, I've I've

974
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,680
talked to other organizations that have

975
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,520
done something similar

976
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,560
um, and heard a a lot of struggles. For

977
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,280
instance, it we were when we were at the

978
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,960
Mountain West Trails conference, I I

979
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,520
spoke with um, state of Wyoming's trail

980
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,000
crew. Um, they have a heavy equipment

981
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,840
crew that's based out of one location

982
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,960
that travels throughout the state. Um,

983
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,080
and they they cannot hold on to

984
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,480
employees to save their lives because

985
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,720
it's asking a lot of someone um, to take

986
00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:59,520
a position where they are on the road

987
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,480
almost constantly. Um, and and they even

988
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
have some resources um, when it comes to

989
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,640
lodging and things like that that we

990
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,400
don't have access to right now. Um, so

991
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,880
that that retention thing is a big part

992
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,360
of this as well, but um, yeah, whereas

993
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,120
back to the cost and travel and use of

994
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,320
funds, I think investing in this um,

995
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,040
would get the the most amount of

996
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,240
projects throughout the state. I do

997
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,240
believe that.

998
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,200
>> Uh Jason, this is Scott. Uh

999
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,800
what how much say does uh Wade have in

1000
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,680
what's going on here?

1001
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,360
Uh

1002
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,000
you know, he's supposed to be the OHP

1003
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:44,240
coordinator for the state. I I had I don't have enough information to

1004
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,680
give you an answer with what you're

1005
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,840
asking me. I have to rely on other

1006
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,120
people that are in the mix on this and

1007
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,800
know what's going on. And so, I don't

1008
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,240
almost have to say you'll have to let

1009
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,360
somebody else make the decision for me.

1010
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,840
>> Yeah, thanks [clears throat] Scott.

1011
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,360
Yeah, we're

1012
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,280
that's what that's what we're trying to

1013
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,800
provide here with Mike and Mike and uh

1014
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,680
you know, as far as Wade's support, I'll

1015
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,760
let him chime in, but you know,

1016
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,680
Mike's comment was that it he believes

1017
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,200
that it could be could be made made to

1018
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,720
work. Um Wade, anything else to add to

1019
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:16,640
that?

1020
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:21,120
>> No, I I I I believe this could work. Um

1021
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,040
and and I appreciate Mike's eyes

1022
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,800
thought and his forward thinking in

1023
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,880
this.

1024
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Um

1025
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,240
I think just some of the concerns of the

1026
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,280
council need to be addressed and I I I I

1027
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,160
think it could work.

1028
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,680
very well.

1029
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,600
>> And I I need to I'll come at from a

1030
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:39,920
different angle as well. You know, part

1031
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,280
of my leadership,

1032
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,720
at least what I've tried to do is to

1033
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,760
stay ahead of kind of these these trends

1034
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,200
and these demands that we may have and

1035
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,080
anticipate some of those. And one

1036
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,560
important part of history a little bit

1037
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,720
is is

1038
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,520
you know, when we started this the trail

1039
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,080
tree program officially 2021 with two

1040
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,960
just seasonal employees going around the

1041
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,760
state that had very little training,

1042
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,440
very little background. I was able to

1043
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,240
give very little oversight due to many

1044
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,360
duties.

1045
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,920
Um you know, that was already a stretch

1046
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,760
and then we moved into four and six and

1047
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:14,040
grew bigger based on the demand. And one main concern that we did have along

1048
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,320
the way was

1049
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,840
how little time that these uh these

1050
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,520
crews based out of Salt Lake were

1051
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,200
uh you know, how much time they had to

1052
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,120
spend traveling, basically, as opposed

1053
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
to boots-on-the-ground work. Um and so,

1054
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,400
it's the exact same model, the way I see

1055
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,840
it. And then, from that from that demand

1056
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,720
grew the the idea of the four of the

1057
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,360
four regions to be able to multiply our

1058
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,120
efforts times four, which is where we

1059
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,640
sit now. So, I I see this as

1060
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,720
anticipating those issues and

1061
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:39,960
not that I want to express anything in

1062
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,080
the form of worry, but I also um our

1063
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,400
division worked really hard to secure

1064
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,080
this funding the way it sits for one

1065
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,520
region. And of course, we're talking

1066
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,440
about modifying and trying to enhance

1067
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,760
it, but

1068
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,680
I believe that demand will grow if we in

1069
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,280
any anyways, if we start out with

1070
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,440
central region, um I believe we will do

1071
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,600
our jobs and we'll we'll um perform, you

1072
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,400
know, at the highest level, and then I

1073
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,920
believe this will be a demand we'll have

1074
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,400
anyways, and I'm not sure if we'll be in

1075
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,720
a position to ask for further funding

1076
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,160
and enhancement later on. It's kind of

1077
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,200
hard to

1078
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200
that's a hard thing to predict. So, um I

1079
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,240
believe we're getting ahead of trends

1080
00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:13,600
and demand here as well.

1081
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,240
>> When we uh talked about this, you talked

1082
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,680
about the possibility that that the

1083
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Richfield office or the Richfield heavy

1084
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,320
equipment equipment crew

1085
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,000
would set the model throughout the

1086
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,080
state, and we did forecast that we felt

1087
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:30,920
that it was going to

1088
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,240
work throughout the state, and that the

1089
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,080
model would start in Richfield to get

1090
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,360
the bugs worked out, but I think the

1091
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,880
model that Mike is presenting right now

1092
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,920
just pushes that along a little bit

1093
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,120
sooner than than what what we had talked

1094
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,320
about, but we did we did recognize that this is needed throughout the

1095
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,880
state, and maybe this model gives that

1096
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,560
opportunity to push it out a little

1097
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,280
faster.

1098
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,240
>> Could [clears throat] I propose to, you

1099
00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:59,840
know, perhaps I mean, you all are

1100
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,360
motorized recreation experts. Um maybe

1101
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,760
you all can be involved in helping kind

1102
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,040
of set that brainstorming what a

1103
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600
potential work schedule could look like,

1104
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,040
you know, statewide and and hoping

1105
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,240
helping jot out some of the priorities

1106
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,320
that you're seeing and hearing

1107
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,160
from the communities

1108
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,950
and on the ground.

1109
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,280
» And Nicole, I think one of your the

1110
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,360
whoever mentioned the fires earlier

1111
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,000
spot on. I think that right now is the

1112
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,800
biggest concern that everybody has is

1113
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,280
the damage to all the trails from all

1114
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,760
the fires

1115
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,360
and the forest service BLM probably

1116
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,600
won't be able to manage all of that on

1117
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,320
their own. I'd imagine that the these

1118
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,800
this heavy equipment crew would be

1119
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,600
highly focused on repairing all that

1120
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,040
damage as quickly as possible.

1121
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,760
And and so unless somebody else sees

1122
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,040
something different, that's what I'm

1123
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,640
envisioning right now anyway.

1124
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,920
>> Yeah, and I can positively speak to our

1125
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,320
relationship with the region four at

1126
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,400
forest service. They've group, you know,

1127
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,400
they've supported our efforts over the

1128
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,400
years no matter what they what they be what they are. Um

1129
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,400
and some of those discussions have come

1130
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,040
up where hey, you know, not that we want

1131
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,080
to be red carded and going to fight fire

1132
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,040
directly, but we do want to get trails

1133
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,480
reopened as quick as possible and

1134
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,080
protect that access in all areas of the

1135
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,400
state and efficiently as possible and

1136
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,080
that did come up where some

1137
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,880
authorizations could possibly be given

1138
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,160
for us to get in there as soon as

1139
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,720
possible to do our our our part in some

1140
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:35,480
of that work. So that's some good

1141
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,280
discussions I've had.

1142
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,040
>> Nicole, you've got your hand up.

1143
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,360
>> Yeah, I just kind of I guess now I have

1144
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,160
two items that I want to

1145
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,280
mention.

1146
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,960
Um kind of on the fire rehab one.

1147
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,040
Uh I've done a quite a bit of fire rehab

1148
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,240
work in my previous life and uh I would

1149
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:54,800
caution to get getting in there too

1150
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,920
quickly to do any rehab cuz it will take

1151
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,320
a few years for it to stabilize. So if

1152
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,760
you get in there immediately

1153
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,080
you know, one or two years after is a

1154
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,120
much better choice. So just throwing

1155
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,240
that out there because of the

1156
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,440
experiences I've had, but I just want to

1157
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,600
go back to I think it was Mike that was

1158
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,960
saying it's hard to see who's in the

1159
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,280
room, but I do think that what he's

1160
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,480
talking about with, you know, a

1161
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,680
work-life balance and having crews

1162
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,400
spread out across the state is really

1163
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,080
important because,

1164
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:24,200
you know,

1165
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,760
I mean, we all know people that have

1166
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,480
worked on construction crews that

1167
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,880
they're on the road all the time and

1168
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480
they burn out pretty pretty heavily, and

1169
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,960
you know, as I think about, you know, as

1170
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,680
state employees,

1171
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,640
we we're here because we're passionate

1172
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,320
about it, not because of the the

1173
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,560
paychecks that we get. And so, I can't

1174
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,400
imagine that the heavy equipment crew is

1175
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520
going to, you know, be making big bucks

1176
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,240
like, you know, some of these

1177
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:48,960
construction crews that make the David

1178
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,320
Bacon wages. So, I do think Mike makes a

1179
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,560
really good point about a work-life

1180
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,720
balance and keeping people happy and

1181
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,200
keeping them there once you've got them

1182
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:59,720
trained. So, I just wanted to

1183
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,120
acknowledge what Mike said.

1184
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Thank you.

1185
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,360
>> I think to go along with that, too, um,

1186
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,200
in my experience,

1187
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,160
hiring traveling surveyors kind of the

1188
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120
same way, it's really difficult to find

1189
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,320
somebody that's willing to travel.

1190
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:21,950
So, I understand that plight as well.

1191
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,800
Any other [snorts]

1192
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,760
council members,

1193
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,080
um,

1194
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,360
have ideas, questions, need to chime in

1195
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,040
here?

1196
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,920
>> I'm curious how you're going to allocate

1197
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
the equipment.

1198
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,280
I mean, there's two two sets of

1199
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,240
equipment, four regions. How does How

1200
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,600
does the equipment get dispersed, and

1201
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,080
how does that decision get made?

1202
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,960
>> Yeah, that's a great question. Um, so,

1203
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,320
right now, uh, our supervisors are

1204
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,800
setting their

1205
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,920
or putting their work schedules for the year,

1206
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,600
um, together during the winter, usually

1207
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,480
January-February time frame. Um, so,

1208
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,520
typically by March or April, they know

1209
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,760
where they're going to be and what

1210
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,320
projects they have on the schedule for

1211
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,920
that entire year. Um so, our plan

1212
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,960
as of right now would be to just monitor

1213
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,080
that and kind of make up a plan

1214
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,520
accordingly. Um we definitely want with

1215
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,520
the amount of work um and with uh

1216
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,080
the type of work our crews are doing in

1217
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,320
Moab right now, um we would definitely

1218
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,920
want to get equipment there

1219
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,920
um

1220
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,240
to live there just because of of how

1221
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,360
difficult it would be to to transport

1222
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
back and forth to that region. Um

1223
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,320
but then we would work uh our

1224
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,760
southwestern central region work very

1225
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,400
closely together

1226
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,840
um and so, if we had equipment um staged

1227
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,520
there as well, it would be really easy

1228
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,120
for those two

1229
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,760
um supervisors to to coordinate on on

1230
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,040
what equipment they needed and when um

1231
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,480
when it comes to that. But like I had

1232
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,720
mentioned in the beginning too, we are

1233
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:56,400
we're looking at some other funding

1234
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,400
sources as well to look at purchasing

1235
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,200
more equipment. Um again, just to to

1236
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,360
make this operation more efficient if we

1237
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,280
are to go this route. Um so, so that is

1238
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,030
uh in in our future plans as well.

1239
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,120
» Uh isn't there any way to go ahead and

1240
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,560
coordinate using I brought this question

1241
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,680
up to begin with what the equipment that

1242
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,720
the BLM has in Moab and have a trail

1243
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,960
crew of a dedicated trail go crew go use

1244
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,000
that equipment. Uh

1245
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,240
I I know over the years we've bought a

1246
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,960
um a number of trail cats and

1247
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,160
I don't know how available those are,

1248
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:39,030
but maybe we should pursue that avenue.

1249
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,360
» Yeah, and and we're totally open to

1250
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,000
those options. Right now, um

1251
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,720
the BLM doesn't have any equipment in

1252
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:50,360
Moab um but rather with respect to us to my understanding

1253
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,920
um but we we have a great example of

1254
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,800
that in Iron County. Um that county

1255
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,040
there bought a trail cat and in the

1256
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,560
county is assisting on on both BLM and

1257
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,240
forest projects there too. And so

1258
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,400
yeah, definitely looking to do more of that type of

1259
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,280
coordination into the future.

1260
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,800
>> Yeah, just to expand on that too. Again,

1261
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,960
just talking about future opportunities.

1262
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,160
Sort of like Jason was saying of

1263
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,760
becoming the experts more and more is

1264
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,920
you know,

1265
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,800
there's nothing again I always caveat of

1266
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,920
like nothing promised today necessarily

1267
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,040
but I I can see why

1268
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,800
as these supervisors grow their skills

1269
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,840
to be able to possibly teach courses at

1270
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,320
our program as well to be able to

1271
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,800
empower those that do run heavy

1272
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,600
equipment as well. So there's

1273
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,880
potential opportunity when we have a

1274
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,760
statewide program statewide effort on

1275
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,280
some of these things. So I I view those

1276
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,120
as great suggestion and with great

1277
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,480
opportunities that we could have to

1278
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,080
partner with the program borrowing of

1279
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,000
equipment.

1280
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,480
>> Well Scott, maybe that's a stipulation

1281
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,080
you want to look into including in

1282
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,400
future equipment grants for like RTP or

1283
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:52,560
over when we're purchasing this

1284
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,640
equipment for counties or federal

1285
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,480
partners. Maybe we can include that in

1286
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,080
the contract language that they provide

1287
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
assistance to our trail group.

1288
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,630
Just thought.

1289
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,520
» Maybe by a assistant to the trail crew

1290
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,640
in the contract it says we since we

1291
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,560
put a very large amount of money towards

1292
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:12,520
this

1293
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,600
we we can use it when it's not being

1294
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,080
used by your program.

1295
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,880
>> There is a

1296
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,480
an asset

1297
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,680
rules.

1298
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,240
>> There's an asset rule but it's not

1299
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:26,360
specific that links to the trail crew.

1300
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,320
>> But [laughter] that's a great great

1301
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,080
idea.

1302
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,560
>> But it does say that it's state

1303
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:30,600
property.

1304
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:31,120
>> Yeah.

1305
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,840
>> No, it's for asset for 10 years or

1306
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,960
longer. Yeah, but that's the stipulation

1307
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,800
that we have in there for equipment

1308
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,600
currently.

1309
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:40,640
>> Could be a good thing to add though for

1310
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,790
sure.

1311
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,360
» Okay. Thank you everybody. Any any other

1312
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,454
questions or comments from the council?

1313
00:49:49,454 --> 00:49:59,390
[clears throat]

1314
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,880
» So,

1315
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,800
what I'm what I'm hearing is there's

1316
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,200
concerns there's a few things concerns

1317
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,240
that we make sure that this is going for

1318
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,000
motorized projects.

1319
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,240
Um we want to make sure that we're

1320
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,000
collaborating with

1321
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,400
uh the local communities and those that

1322
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,520
already have trail equipment

1323
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,160
um with these uh operators.

1324
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,400
And then it sounds like dollar for

1325
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,960
dollar the trail crew is recommending

1326
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,440
this change

1327
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,000
um

1328
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,680
to get the most out of the money.

1329
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:31,960
Um

1330
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,120
any other consensus thoughts or any

1331
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,680
other

1332
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,720
um

1333
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:47,110
anything that I'm missing here?

1334
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,880
Any advice that council members want to

1335
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,710
provide outside of what we've discussed?

1336
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,000
» This is Brody. The only thing I would

1337
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,480
say is

1338
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,120
be willing to you know if you if you go

1339
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,320
the route of the the the regional crews

1340
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,920
like you know

1341
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,160
then if after a year or two and you're

1342
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,000
finding that it's just really not

1343
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,200
working be open to the idea of a

1344
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,800
centralized crew.

1345
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,360
Uh don't lock yourself into to one or

1346
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,520
the other

1347
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,080
um

1348
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,840
until you see how Give it a year or two

1349
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,600
to see how it works.

1350
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,040
>> Thank you.

1351
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,280
>> Yeah, it's a good idea.

1352
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,310
>> Pilot program.

1353
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,040
» Yeah, I guess I guess if I had to say I

1354
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,280
mean I can see both sides. I do like the

1355
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,360
idea of

1356
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,960
making full-time positions

1357
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,720
uh

1358
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,120
year-round

1359
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,760
as well as keeping them in the regions.

1360
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,560
It's really hard to find somebody that

1361
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,120
will travel

1362
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,600
um especially on a state wage.

1363
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,840
So,

1364
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,720
um

1365
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:56,840
I I'm I'm leaning to going the direction

1366
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,750
that has been proposed today.

1367
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,870
Any Anybody else?

1368
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,080
» So, are each one of these crews going to

1369
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,560
be the same size? I would think that

1370
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,960
where you have the biggest demand, you

1371
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,720
might need a bigger crew. I don't know.

1372
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:18,600
Uh

1373
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,360
and I don't know the size of these crews

1374
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,080
for sure, but

1375
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,200
uh if somebody's in running a bulldozer

1376
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,200
or a a trail cat and a mini ex, uh do

1377
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,840
you need How many people do you need to

1378
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,120
run a mini ex? One person and maybe one

1379
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,680
watching? I don't know. Uh What about a

1380
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,520
trail cat? You need maybe somebody to

1381
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,840
watch and somebody to run it. So, if we

1382
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,880
have a trail crew that's has four people

1383
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,160
with one piece of equipment,

1384
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,950
do we need all four people there?

1385
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,960
» Yeah, so our our crews would remain the

1386
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,720
same size. So, our crews currently are six

1387
00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:53,640
uh made up of six people.

1388
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,000
Um and so, yeah, that the idea would be

1389
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,040
when that supervisor would step away for

1390
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,680
heavy equipment projects, they would be

1391
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,920
taking one crew member

1392
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,640
um to do either the brush work or the

1393
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,200
finish work um behind the machine. Um

1394
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,880
and then the rest of the four would be

1395
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,280
continuing to do hand crew work on other

1396
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,240
projects.

1397
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,240
>> Yeah, essentially doubling their

1398
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,400
capacity in capacity from just a project

1399
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,720
standpoint. So, instead of doing one

1400
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:19,840
project with five or six people, now we

1401
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,080
can do two projects with two here and

1402
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,600
three here. So, instead of having two

1403
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,600
full-time employees running all over the

1404
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,840
state,

1405
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,360
we're going to keep what we currently

1406
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,080
have, elevate four of them to full-time

1407
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,000
where they would be basically that that

1408
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:36,800
uh

1409
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,360
break off. It could either be two people

1410
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,120
or maybe even could be four, like you

1411
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,480
say, Scott, depending on the complexity

1412
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,040
and the needs of the of the project.

1413
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:45,800
Maybe it is two machines and four people

1414
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,520
and they all team up on it. That would

1415
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:48,800
be something they would have to sort of

1416
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,880
coordinate and decide on a case-by-case

1417
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
basis, but this I think would That

1418
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,280
That's probably the strongest point for

1419
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
this is just that capacity. Instead of

1420
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,360
having two people traveling everywhere,

1421
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,400
we got four able to cover the whole

1422
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,240
state and less travel.

1423
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:05,920
>> Well, my thinking is I'm going to have

1424
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,680
to leave this with Mike and Wade. And

1425
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,880
Jason, you guys to make that decision

1426
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,320
cuz I right now I can't tell you what I

1427
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,520
want done. I want it to be the most

1428
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000
efficient way. You people are in that

1429
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
position. You've worked there. You see

1430
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,760
what's going on.

1431
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,120
I'm going to leave it to you to make

1432
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,280
that decision. And if it's a bad

1433
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,600
decision, maybe in a year or so we'll

1434
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,480
see, "Hey, we That was a bad decision.

1435
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,960
Let's change it."

1436
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,680
>> We thank you very much for that for what

1437
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,520
I'm what I'm gathering is is that trust,

1438
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Scott, and also just, you know, in

1439
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,640
general to the council. Um I think this is a

1440
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,000
great launching point for our

1441
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000
communication from now on to to help

1442
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,600
understand the trail crew program

1443
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,960
operations. I mean, this isn't just a

1444
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,360
one-off meeting and disappear. And I

1445
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,000
like that this is a

1446
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,440
you know, a new branch for us to be able

1447
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,920
to communicate with you all and update

1448
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,720
you in the spirit of kind of always

1449
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,720
improving like Jason's saying and our

1450
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:59,160
division kind of has that value. So,

1451
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,960
uh but yeah, thanks thanks for that that

1452
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,640
trust. And then I look forward to no

1453
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,120
matter what happens uh

1454
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,680
further communication and and better

1455
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,160
understanding.

1456
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,560
>> And And thank you for your questions. I really appreciate the questions. Um

1457
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:11,760
that's why

1458
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,440
you know,

1459
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,840
4 years ago

1460
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:14,800
this would have probably just been

1461
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:15,920
something we would just gone ahead and

1462
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,280
done assuming that the advisory council

1463
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,760
wasn't interested in providing or didn't

1464
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,040
have questions. So, so in in another

1465
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,440
stride effort toward, you know,

1466
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,200
higher level of of fiscal transparency

1467
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,320
with this council and and

1468
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,560
leveraging the interest that you do

1469
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,080
have, really just want to say thank you.

1470
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,560
Especially uh Dean and and Lacey,

1471
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,040
appreciate you being uh the new members

1472
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,440
being willing to to jump into this and

1473
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,950
uh appreciate your your time.

1474
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,800
» And to that point, too, I I think we

1475
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,640
will expect some updates in our future

1476
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:49,800
meetings.

1477
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,120
Um and hopefully we can have a little

1478
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,040
bit of time set aside for Mike, um

1479
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,440
you or Mike to come and give us just a quick update and and

1480
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,760
keep us in the know.

1481
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,040
>> And we just definitely a part of the

1482
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,640
week that we look forward to and you you

1483
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,600
know, no matter what choices you're we

1484
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,120
make is you're on the journey with us.

1485
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,640
That's the way we look at it.

1486
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,510
So, thank you.

1487
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,760
» Okay, any anything else from any of the

1488
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:22,910
council members?

1489
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,400
» I like some of the changes I'm seeing in

1490
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,960
the spreadsheets and some of the other

1491
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,320
issues that we've had, but I'm assuming

1492
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,640
that's going to be another discussion.

1493
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,240
>> What was that?

1494
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,470
>> Sorry, can you repeat that?

1495
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,840
» Are you asking me what I said?

1496
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,440
>> Yeah.

1497
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:43,200
>> We didn't hear you.

1498
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:43,840
>> Yeah, we didn't hear you.

1499
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,000
>> He heard spreadsheets and then not much

1500
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,400
else there. Yeah, I didn't quite pick up

1501
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,760
on it. If you could repeat it.

1502
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,720
>> Updated grant spreadsheets. He

1503
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,000
appreciates what he's seeing and he

1504
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,320
assumes that that's going to be a point

1505
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,680
of discussion at our next meeting.

1506
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,000
>> Yeah, absolutely. And along with some

1507
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,080
other things. I know we've talked about

1508
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,640
wildfire and you know, Nicole, to your

1509
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,520
point, which is which is really

1510
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,520
forefront of my mind, yes, there are

1511
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,800
probably some things we can figure out

1512
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,360
to do in the next fiscal year, but

1513
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,520
likely we will not know the full extent

1514
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,080
of what's needed out there on the trails

1515
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,200
until the year after. So, there may be a

1516
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,640
discussion, too, of do we want to commit

1517
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:18,920
all of our funds this year or do we want

1518
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,240
to hold some of them back until we know

1519
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,040
a little bit better picture on on what

1520
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,440
impacts have been out there from

1521
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,120
wildfire.

1522
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:27,600
>> And Wade and myself have been

1523
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,640
discussing, um just kind of based off

1524
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,320
what's been prompted, um I believe by

1525
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,280
was it legislative Albright?

1526
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,760
>> Well, yeah, Representative Albright and Commissioner Pearson in Beaver

1527
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,480
County. They're they're very concerned,

1528
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,560
rightly so, about their economy in

1529
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,920
Beaver County. Their outdoor recreation

1530
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,160
scene is decimated. You know, all of

1531
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,640
those trails up there, the ski resort,

1532
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:49,360
um,

1533
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,480
you know, they still have the west side,

1534
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,800
which is open and and ready for

1535
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,480
business, but the problem is that most

1536
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,600
people are thinking, "Well, Beaver

1537
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,400
County isn't you know, isn't open for

1538
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,480
business when it comes to recreation."

1539
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,120
So, there's some messaging. There's also

1540
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,240
some grant opportunities from a tourism

1541
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,240
the the tourism segment of the the over

1542
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720
grant, um, that we think will help those

1543
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,760
communities.

1544
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,040
>> And we're going to actually prioritize,

1545
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,800
that's what Wade and myself were talking

1546
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,040
about is actually making sure that if

1547
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,800
the advisory council agrees that we want

1548
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,400
to prioritize projects that are taking

1549
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:18,280
place in counties that have been

1550
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,240
affected by fires. So, it's actually

1551
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,360
something that we've been adding into

1552
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,040
the application.

1553
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,200
So,

1554
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:24,920
just an FYI.

1555
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,960
>> Thank you for doing that cuz we we

1556
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,040
really during that like the Silver King

1557
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,160
fire, we really

1558
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,440
I've tried [snorts] to focus on recovery

1559
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,360
for the trails, but also for that

1560
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,840
county. So, thank you for doing that.

1561
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,230
>> Yeah.

1562
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,320
» Okay, do we have Do you need anything

1563
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,680
else from us from the council moving

1564
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,480
forward, Jason?

1565
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:49,280
>> Um,

1566
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:50,760
>> Rachel has an announcement.

1567
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:51,560
>> Um,

1568
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,800
the answer to that question, no, not at

1569
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,800
this time, but, uh,

1570
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,120
>> Yeah, um, just an announcement. So, as

1571
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,280
most of you know, you guys have seen

1572
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,880
emails from me kind of throughout the

1573
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,360
couple past couple days. The OHR

1574
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,600
recreation grant opens tomorrow as well

1575
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:10,440
as the outdoor recreation mitigation grant and the outdoor

1576
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,240
recreation infrastructure grant.

1577
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,160
>> And infrastructure?

1578
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,760
>> The outdoor recreation mitigation grant

1579
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,640
is for search and rescue plus some

1580
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,880
other,

1581
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,360
um, infrastructure that has been damaged

1582
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,160
in a given rural community because of

1583
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,360
heavy visitation. So,

1584
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,040
just so you know and pass that around,

1585
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,200
please.

1586
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,000
>> Okay.

1587
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,910
Thank you.

1588
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,520
All right. Thanks everybody for taking

1589
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:39,720
the time tonight. I know we went a

1590
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,400
little bit longer.

1591
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Um we appreciate your input and uh at

1592
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,320
this time we'll accept a motion for

1593
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,030
adjournment.

1594
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,920
» This is Brody. I would like to make a

1595
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,950
motion that we conclude the meeting.

1596
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,880
» I'll second it. This is Mike.

1597
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,080
>> Okay.

1598
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,640
Thanks everybody. Meeting is adjourned.

1599
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,680
>> Appreciate y'all.

1600
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:04,240
>> Thank you.

1601
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
all. Thank you.