1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Okay. Um, 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,160 >> and then we don't have a quorum. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,040 >> No, but we can at least welcome people. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,840 Um, so I'd like to welcome those who 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,719 have started joining us for our voting 6 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:15,599 advisory council meeting for August 4th, 7 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:19,039 2026. I'm Jeff Salt, the chair. Uh, 8 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,160 we'll be waiting for a majority of our 9 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,800 council members to join online today. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,840 So, we're waiting for 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,480 that the magic number and then we'll do 12 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:38,709 introductions. 13 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:39,760 » Hey Ty, 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,440 >> how are you guys? 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,549 >> Okay, 16 00:00:44,559 --> 00:00:49,830 » last meeting. 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,360 » Okay. Oh, Adam's good. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,079 One, 19 00:00:56,079 --> 00:01:14,789 two, three. 20 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:18,640 » Those online, can you hear us? 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,320 >> Yes, I'm I can hear you fine. Yeah, I 22 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:23,920 can hear you. I'm uh I'm gonna step away 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,439 from my desk for just a few minutes. 24 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:27,439 Give me about three minutes. 25 00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:37,429 >> Okay, 26 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:56,870 » Jason's on 27 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,821 George is here. 28 00:02:01,831 --> 00:02:02,560 [clears throat] 29 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,880 >> So five makes us the right. 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,200 >> Oh yeah, just there. 31 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:15,750 >> Adam just is online but he stepped away. 32 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Okay, I'm trying to count all the 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,080 >> So, we got Adam, Jeff, Dick, Jason. 34 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:22,720 >> Hey, 35 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,440 >> we're at nine. 36 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,959 See if there's anything. 37 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:27,680 >> Yeah. 38 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,560 >> All right. So, uh let's go ahead and 39 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,280 start. So, because we have a pretty full 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,760 agenda today, again, thank you for all 41 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,160 your attendance and your time today. And 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,560 I know it's an earlier start time than 43 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,160 usual. Uh hopefully it's not going to be 44 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,599 a problem for those people who thought 45 00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:48,160 it was at four o'clock. 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,319 Again, I'm Jeff Salt, chair. I represent 47 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:53,599 the paddlesport community. Uh let's go 48 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:56,400 around. Uh Det, would you like to 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,319 introduce yourself? 50 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:03,519 >> Sure. Dwit Smith, uh lifelong sailor and 51 00:03:03,519 --> 00:03:07,680 represent sailing on the council. 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,280 >> Thank you, Jason. How's it going? 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,599 >> It's going good. Uh Jason Taylor and I'm 54 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,440 representing the Outfitters. 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,560 >> Is it hot enough down there for you? 56 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,080 >> Could be it could be warmer, I guess. 57 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,720 You know, 109 or something. Not bad. 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,239 >> Uh let's see. George, 59 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:33,270 >> George Summer, Angler representative. 60 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,760 » And Adam stepped away for a minute. 61 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Let's go around. Uh, Jorge, would you 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 like to introduce yourself? 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,400 >> Yeah. Hi, everybody. My name is Jorge 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,799 Vazquez. I am with the Division of 65 00:03:44,799 --> 00:03:47,519 Outdoor Recreation and I am recreation 66 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,519 analyst. 67 00:03:49,519 --> 00:03:51,920 >> Ty Hunter. I'm the voting program 68 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,840 manager 69 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,280 for the Utah Division of Outdoor 70 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,110 Recreation. 71 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,120 And then I'm Brian Kurt. I'm the 72 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,879 lieutenant for the Division of Law 73 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:04,879 Enforcement. 74 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:06,400 And then 75 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,519 >> sign to the voting program. 76 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:09,920 [laughter] 77 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,920 >> And I am Nico Mlety, assistant attorney 78 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,680 general. I am just stepping in for 79 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,680 Nicole, who serves as counsel for these 80 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,000 proceedings. 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,037 >> Craig, 82 00:04:20,037 --> 00:04:20,720 [clears throat] 83 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,400 >> Craig Walker, assistant chief with the 84 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Division of Wildlife Resources and the 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,080 voting access coordinator for the state 86 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,919 of Utah. 87 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:29,759 >> Thank you. 88 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:32,790 >> Jenny, 89 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,600 » Jen Kudson. I am the water sports um 90 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,560 representative for the commission. 91 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,600 >> Great. Thanks for being here today. And 92 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,320 it looks like we have at least one guest 93 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,800 from the public. Eve, would you like to 94 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,550 introduce yourself? 95 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,199 » Good afternoon. I'm Eve Davies. I work 96 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:58,880 for Pacific Core and uh I'm here to just 97 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,720 uh listen to the discussion on Cutler 98 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,479 today. 99 00:05:02,479 --> 00:05:03,840 Great. 100 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,080 Thanks. Okay. All right. 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,759 >> Hey, Jeff. This is Adam. I'm back, too. 102 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:09,280 I just want to introduce myself. Adam 103 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,120 Meboat 104 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,280 users. Um, my camera's not working, so 105 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:14,320 luckily for you guys, you don't have to 106 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,800 look at my be mug this time. So, I don't 107 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,240 know what what's up with my camera, but 108 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,759 I'm I'm here. 109 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,639 >> Okay. Thanks, Adam. Appreciate it. Okay. 110 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:26,560 So, uh, let's have, uh, a motion on the 111 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,400 minutes or if you want to read the 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,400 minutes and if we have any, uh, motion 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,000 on accepting or amending the minutes. 114 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,400 >> Yeah, there's some correction that needs 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,880 to be done to the minutes on the third 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,800 page. 117 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,919 If you'll notice that item number seven 118 00:05:45,919 --> 00:05:49,199 continues with uh, all the way down to 119 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:53,520 D. And then in action item number eight 120 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,080 was council leadership appointments 121 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,840 selection of chair. And I nominated uh 122 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,479 the two uh Jeff and Jason to be elected 123 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:06,960 but we didn't ever seem to have an 124 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,319 election. It was just Jeff and Jason 125 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,639 said they'd willingness to remain in 126 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,360 their current leadership. And then item 127 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,720 number nine which is labeled seven is 128 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,199 adjournment. So it should be item nine 129 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,840 and not 3 pm adjournment but it was 130 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:28,870 closer to six. 131 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,469 Okay. 132 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:36,400 Now I think we had we had a couple of 133 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,360 motions for the leadership. 134 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,880 Did we capture all of those? 135 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,240 >> Yes. 136 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,749 >> Okay. 137 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:47,600 Any other 138 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,000 suggestions for 139 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,230 corrections, amendments? 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,919 Are you able to take note of those, 141 00:06:55,919 --> 00:06:56,960 Jorge? 142 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,759 >> Yes. 143 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,360 >> Okay. All right. I'll take a motion 144 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:06,070 regarding the minutes, please. 145 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,360 » I'll make a motion the minutes amended 146 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,120 as discussed. 147 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,639 >> Okay. Second. 148 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:17,280 I'll second it. Yeah. 149 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,000 >> So, motion by George Summer, second by 150 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Det Smith. Any further discussion on the 151 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,639 minutes? 152 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:28,720 >> Hearing none, let's take a vote. All in 153 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,759 favor say I. 154 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:30,160 >> I. 155 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:31,199 >> Or raise your hands. 156 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:34,319 >> I. 157 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,039 >> Any opposed? 158 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:39,919 Any abstensions? 159 00:07:39,919 --> 00:07:42,880 >> Right. Okay. Thank you. There's that 160 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,360 corre those corrections will be taken 161 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,400 care of. Thank you very much. Uh the 162 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,840 next item in our agenda is open public 163 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,080 comment section. Uh Eve, if you want to 164 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,759 take a minute and say anything, you're 165 00:07:57,759 --> 00:07:59,840 welcome to. You have three minutes. Uh 166 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,520 but I don't see anybody else from the 167 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:07,430 public online or in attendance. 168 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,440 » I certainly don't need three minutes. I 169 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,280 just uh Jeff, you and I had spoken and 170 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,039 I've also been working extensively with 171 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:17,759 Ty Hunter um regarding a couple of uh 172 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:20,160 related but uh recreation issues there 173 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,520 at Cutler Reservoir. Um part of my role 174 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,680 is to manage 175 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,000 um Cutler Reservoir, the recreation and 176 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,759 um uses, you know, basically everything 177 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,360 but making the megawatts. I make it so 178 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,360 they can make megawws over there. So 179 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,959 Cutler is of course an active 180 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:39,760 hydroelectric um 181 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,080 plant and project that's regulated by 182 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,680 the Federal Energy Regulatory 183 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:48,240 Commission. Um so I believe that that's 184 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,399 part of why color shows up on the agenda 185 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,240 today. 186 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Yeah. And even I had discussed her doing 187 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,360 a presentation to the council and give 188 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,080 more details about what Pacific Core has 189 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,560 in mind and what their concerns are and 190 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:05,120 the history of the the administrative 191 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,680 rule change that's been proposed to give 192 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,839 everybody a good background. So we'll 193 00:09:09,839 --> 00:09:12,720 schedule that for an upcoming uh voting 194 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,240 advisory council. I'm really glad that 195 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,519 you could attend because we're also 196 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:18,320 talking about Pine View today and you 197 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,519 Pacific Core has interest at Pine View. 198 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:26,800 >> Correct. And I um I think the only other thing that I would note 199 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,560 is you know we can certainly take the 200 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,959 time if people are interested to to 201 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:33,600 discuss the administrative rule change. 202 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,320 Um for the most part is really just a 203 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,000 reversion to what was originally 204 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,440 approved. There was literally just a an 205 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:42,880 error in transcription. and a 206 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,360 transcription error. Um, in part is why 207 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,680 we are seeking to have the rule revert 208 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,160 to uh what was originally approved by 209 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,240 this commission and then eventually by 210 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,480 the legislature. So, 211 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,480 >> great. All right. Well, thanks E. We're 212 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,240 really glad that you could attend. 213 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,920 >> Thank you. Uh now we've invited the man 214 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,640 city manager of Auggan City to attend 215 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,959 and give a presentation about Pine View 216 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:13,760 but his schedule and when we set I set 217 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,640 this up with his office uh we were 218 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,519 planning for a four o'clock start and so 219 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:22,399 he has other meetings going on and will 220 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:25,839 join us at four o'clock. So what we'll 221 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:30,160 need to do is jump to another agenda 222 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,160 item uh that would take us 223 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,320 and occupy about 45 minutes of the 224 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,519 agenda. So uh hi would you like to talk 225 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:43,519 about the administrative role? We can I 226 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:45,839 think between me and Nico we can we can 227 00:10:45,839 --> 00:10:49,200 kind of go through this um 228 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,680 >> and I might default to you of where we can and can you know how we go 229 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,120 in the process but our process is um 230 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,480 let's speak about R650215 231 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,200 personal flotation devices. We discussed 232 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,040 a little bit about what the language was 233 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,519 and how we were going to do this. Um 234 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,360 Nico 235 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,839 what an incredible asset to have you. 236 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:14,880 Thank you so much for this. But we 237 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,320 utilize the American whitewater 238 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,240 association. 239 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,839 Um we utilized uh managers from 240 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,399 Forestry, Fire and State Lands. Um this 241 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:25,839 has been in front of the Bureau of Land 242 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:28,560 Management and also National Park 243 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:34,000 Service up in the dinosaur uh um 244 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,680 >> National Monument. For some reason, I 245 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,920 was like I had dinosaur land come into 246 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,839 it and it was not working in my noggin 247 00:11:39,839 --> 00:11:43,360 very well. Apologize. Um but anyway um 248 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,200 so the dinosaur national monument and 249 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,320 then we also had um na uh 250 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,839 representatives from the national park 251 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:52,240 service in the canyon lands area that 252 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,800 covers the the lower the lower Colorado. 253 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,240 And as we were talking through this 254 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,440 whole process um 255 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,839 we were we were looking about what what 256 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:03,600 we you know what's going to happen and 257 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,040 what's not going to happen as we're 258 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,360 putting this together. And really the 259 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,680 big push that we have is is that the 260 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,959 blanket and Nico I might refer to you of 261 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:16,160 the language of explaining how 262 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,600 in that first paragraph that we were 263 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,120 submitting into uh 264 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,839 >> Okay. Sure. Um I'll just go ahead and 265 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:23,200 speak. I'll be honest. I don't really 266 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,560 want to go too much into detail because 267 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:26,639 I'm council for this proceeding. Yeah. 268 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,240 >> But if you're referring to what's on 269 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,560 that notice that I sent you. Uh right 270 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:33,120 now the rule is pretty much all rivers 271 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,959 in Utah have a life jacket requirement 272 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:36,720 if you're in a vessel except for 273 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,279 designated flat water sections. What uh 274 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:41,120 Tai's proposal will be doing is 275 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,040 essentially flipping that rule. Meaning 276 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,959 that there will be designate if you're 277 00:12:44,959 --> 00:12:47,040 on a river in Utah, the default rule 278 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,680 will be no life jackets except for these 279 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,480 designated mandatory PMT sections. 280 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,560 >> So that's that's in essence where we're 281 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,800 at. Sorry, I was looking at some of the 282 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,639 we had in there. Yeah, you did it very 283 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:00,160 well with that one there. So, we're just 284 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,920 kind of flip-flopping as has been 285 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,200 discussed in the past. Um, we are at 286 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,120 this point in time to the point that we 287 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,839 have received back um second time 288 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:11,440 reviewed from the office of 289 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,040 administrative uh rules. We are uh 290 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,120 updating that information. We should be 291 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,639 submitting it. But before we do the 292 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,320 submission, it has to go before the uh 293 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,680 executive Sorry, let me get there. the 294 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,800 commissioner of natural resources, which 295 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,880 will be Jamie Barnes now because I don't 296 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,480 know if we're going to reach Joel Ferry 297 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,480 before his the end of his time. So, we 298 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,959 have we have that piece there um where 299 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:39,040 it needs to go to the commissioner and 300 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,800 then it has to be um we have to give 301 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,040 advisement to the outdoor adventure 302 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,800 commission. 303 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,839 Um, and then once that is all done, we 304 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:51,360 have the blessings from the from the 305 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,959 commissioner and we've we've given the 306 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:58,000 uh we've given the notice to the outdoor 307 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,600 adventure commission, then we can submit 308 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 it to administrative rules which at that 309 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,000 point in time there is a is that 90 days 310 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:06,800 or 60 days? 311 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,000 >> I think it's at least two months. 312 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,399 >> Yeah. So it's it's between 60 and 90 313 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:14,480 days uh comment period at that point in 314 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,320 time and then the rule will become 315 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,760 effective um depending on whether what we do with comments if we get 316 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:28,639 comments on it um with it. So that's kind of how that goes. Um 317 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:30,480 so that's that's our personal flotation 318 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,480 devices. Uh I'm going to give you my and 319 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,320 I I know Nico I might have him crawling 320 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,560 out of the skin with that. My personal 321 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,040 preference out of this one is is I would 322 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,639 have loved to have kept the kept the 323 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:45,600 original in there, but I think we've got 324 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,440 a good compromise where we're at at this 325 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,120 point in time and we've really done our 326 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,959 due diligence and research on this one. 327 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:53,600 And this is something that I I actually 328 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,680 can go to bed and sleep at night with 329 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,120 and I think that we've got some good 330 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,079 stuff and there was this is this is not 331 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:01,920 just a voting program put this together. 332 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,839 We've done a lot of research with this 333 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:05,600 with constituents and stuff there. So, 334 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,600 this is this is a good thing. 335 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,160 we come through and where it's an admin 336 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,480 rule, it can be something that we can we 337 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,639 can always go back and readress if we 338 00:15:14,639 --> 00:15:17,199 have something that comes up as a as a 339 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:19,440 blatant issue that we need to address 340 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,480 across the state. So, there we go. We're 341 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,120 going to give that one a try there. Um, 342 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 now I'm going to move on to Cutler. 343 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,040 >> Should we have Should we open up for 344 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,120 questions? I guess whatever questions 345 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,880 anybody anybody here have questions 346 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,269 about the the life jackets. 347 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,040 » I think I'm going to put the Jason. This 348 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,959 is where it affects with Jason is is 349 00:15:40,959 --> 00:15:43,120 that the same flatwater sections are 350 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,839 still the flatwater sections. It's just 351 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:48,399 we're naming the areas on the green and 352 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:50,560 the Colorado that where the mandatory 353 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,560 wear. We're naming those instead of 354 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,680 we're naming the uh the flat water. I 355 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,120 think that that works 356 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,310 >> different. 357 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,519 » Yeah, I think that works. 358 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,240 >> So, I have a question. Do do we have a 359 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,519 baseline of issues related to life 360 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:14,639 jackets on the river 361 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:16,000 >> as okay 362 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,360 >> incidents related to wearing or not 363 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,920 wearing life jackets? um the issues that 364 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,920 we have of wearing and not wearing 365 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,079 usually are in more of our urban 366 00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:28,800 interface areas on that and the and 367 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,199 these particular rivers um we have 368 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:33,360 worked with the sheriff's offices. So if 369 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:39,839 I'm um I'll take the Weaver River for example with that. So um reached out 370 00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:41,519 to 371 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,680 um 372 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,079 Summit to Morgan. Now Morgan themselves 373 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:50,320 in search and rescue they don't run a 374 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 team themselves that defaults to the 375 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,399 Weaver County 376 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,000 >> um with that because of this agreement 377 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,759 that they have with it. So we've we've 378 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,560 via Morgan via Weaver County they have 379 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,400 made their delineations with it and 380 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,079 really where it kind of goes from like 381 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,360 if I was explain the 382 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:13,039 uh put in which is the 383 00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:15,360 um 384 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:16,880 I can't remember the mile marker. 385 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,520 There's the mile marker off of off of I 386 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,760 84 where the parking lot is a 387 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:22,880 sportsman's access. 388 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,360 >> Yeah. 389 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:26,640 >> There on the Summit County side. So from 390 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,919 there down to in essence the Augen River 391 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:31,679 confluence 392 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:34,559 um with it is is what Weaver had had 393 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,160 announced with that and then they also 394 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,160 explained from a from a portion on the 395 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,919 Augen River down to the Weber and Augen 396 00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:44,480 River confluence on that. So I we tried 397 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,160 to work along with that. So in that 398 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,240 instance with that I I think we've got 399 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,720 some good we've got some good pieces to 400 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,720 kind of look at and then to come on the 401 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,360 provo we're also looking at below Deer 402 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:58,080 Creek Dam down to export portion I 403 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,000 worked in Utah County search and rescue 404 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,760 on that and and a lot of these lower 405 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,919 ones we have not had a whole lot of 406 00:18:03,919 --> 00:18:06,480 incidences on but the areas where we 407 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,039 have high incidences yes those areas are 408 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:11,679 there and they are explicitly named in 409 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:14,559 that piece. Did that answer George? Yep. 410 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:15,679 Okay. 411 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:18,880 >> So, Ty, what about a situation where, 412 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,880 let's say, Jordan River will be a flat 413 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,160 water. 414 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,080 >> You don't have to wear a PFD. 415 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,200 >> Jordan River was originally covered with it was not designated as a flat 416 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,520 water. The Jordan River is required 417 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:31,840 wear. 418 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,799 >> It will require. 419 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:33,440 >> Yes. Okay. 420 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,960 >> I talked with forestry fire and state 421 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,200 lands on on that piece there and they 422 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,720 were like, "What was it before?" I said, 423 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,960 "It was covered under the blanket." I 424 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,960 go, "Yeah, we would really like to have 425 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,559 it. There's a lot of snacks, 426 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:44,960 >> okay? 427 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,880 >> There's the lowhead dams that are all in 428 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,400 there. And I and I'm going to tell you 429 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,480 this truthfully, a lowhead dam, a live 430 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:51,520 jack is not going to save you in a 431 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,240 lowhead dam and that hydraulics, but 432 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:55,919 they're there and it's something that 433 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:58,160 could assist somebody if they needed to 434 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,760 in that in that aspect. So, um Yeah. So, 435 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,160 the river is going to be aware aware 436 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:04,720 section. 437 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,640 >> Yeah. Well, we had the classer camp, I 438 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:07,280 guess, right? 439 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:07,679 >> Yes. 440 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:10,320 >> And they went over a a structure which 441 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,720 was a recirculator. Uh they even had 442 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,799 life jackets because they were kaying 443 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:16,640 >> and that's that unfortunately is a 444 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,559 national well it's a worldwide issue lowheads. 445 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,120 >> So my question though is if there are 446 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:25,520 flatwater sections and there's a group 447 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,039 that's 448 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,799 somebody does something silly and has an 449 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:32,559 accident. 450 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:35,360 the group that's sponsoring the event 451 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,960 could say, "Well, they weren't 452 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,440 required." But the insurance company is 453 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,320 going to come back at them. And so what 454 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,760 happens when you have an insurance 455 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,320 situation 456 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,320 >> with with that if it's in an area where 457 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,320 they're where life jackets are not being 458 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,919 required to wear while they're there, 459 00:19:49,919 --> 00:19:52,880 they still have to adhere to the United 460 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,600 States Coast Guard rules, which the Utah 461 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,360 has adopted that piece. I think 7318 462 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:02,240 um parenthesis one if I remember right 463 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,440 um with that that every vessel must have 464 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,520 a life jacket for every person that's on 465 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,919 board with that. So they must have a 466 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:11,760 jacket with them but now they're going 467 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,600 to be exempted from wearing it. 468 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,120 >> Yeah, I I can see the insurance 469 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:18,000 companies are going to make big 470 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,840 >> if the insurance now if they if if 471 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,200 they're getting insurance for an event, 472 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,559 the insurance company's going to say 473 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:23,760 we're not going to insure your event 474 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,320 until everybody wears that. So that's 475 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,600 going to be the thing there. It's going 476 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,400 to be a financial decision instead of a 477 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,799 an actual law decision 478 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,000 >> that's between the parties 479 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,600 >> and that is between the parties. That's 480 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,200 between the insurance company and the 481 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,400 event organizer. 482 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,480 >> Right. Okay. Because I've I've done 483 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480 groups down the Jordan River especially 484 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,600 for years. 485 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,200 >> And your insurance the insurance with 486 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,120 that was said everybody must wear. We 487 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:47,919 will not insurance. 488 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:48,559 >> Exactly. Yes. 489 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:51,120 >> And I I would require everybody wear a 490 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,960 type five anyway even though you only 491 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,994 have to have a type three. 492 00:20:54,994 --> 00:20:56,240 >> [laughter] 493 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,799 >> So anyway, I'm just seeing insurance 494 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,039 conflict, you know, litigation could 495 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:03,760 come up and I don't know if this is 496 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,080 envisioned in the rule change or I 497 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:07,919 >> I think I think we've ran through and 498 00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:10,000 done some pretty heavy due diligence in 499 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,760 this and looking through case law and 500 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,280 other things at this point time. I think 501 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,919 we're good 502 00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:16,960 >> now. Originally, this proposal was 503 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,559 brought to us. You brought it to us. 504 00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:21,200 >> It was it was there to composition. We 505 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,640 did a straw poll and the committee said 506 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,360 we don't we don't support this change. 507 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,679 So what what is going to be different in 508 00:21:29,679 --> 00:21:32,159 the details in the weeds that will 509 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:35,360 convince us to change our earlier 510 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:36,159 position? 511 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:38,400 >> I 512 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,240 to tell you the truth on this one. I 513 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,679 think we've we've done a little bit of 514 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,600 the research and looked at the places 515 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,520 that we have not had incidences in. Um 516 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,080 there's there's to say I'm going to say 517 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,039 that there was some pressures to not 518 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:55,200 have certain bodies of water or certain 519 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,840 riverways from having that. But we start 520 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,760 looking through historical data in those 521 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,679 areas and they have not been a problem 522 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:03,280 area. 523 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,520 >> So originally from when this was 524 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,799 presented to you, yes. Um, I'm I'm going 525 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,149 to say 526 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:14,480 maybe a bit jaded in some of the piece 527 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,039 because I felt like the this the rug of 528 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,240 safety had been pulled out from 529 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,760 underneath 530 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,280 type of thing there. Um but 531 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,360 I can tell you right now that the 532 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,679 decision to name what we have named has 533 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,720 not been taken lightly and it there's 534 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,200 been a lot of lot of thought between 535 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,880 sheriff search and res sheriff's 536 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440 sheriffs themselves their situ their 537 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,000 search and rescue commanders and then 538 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,480 also looking statistical where we have 539 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,039 use and where we have had instances you 540 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:46,720 know incidences 541 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,080 and with this um needless to say I can 542 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480 tell because I'd go I'd go and sleep at 543 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,480 night because of this because when I was 544 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,480 originally envisioning this that it was 545 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:57,840 not going to be a full coverage and we 546 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,039 were going to lose a lot of stuff and it 547 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,039 was not going to look good and the 548 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,600 outfitters were going to be 549 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,000 um it was going to soak confusion and I 550 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,679 think we've kind of worked it around and 551 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:10,240 got it in essence the right way in that 552 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,400 and I think we maybe have even improved 553 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,760 some of the geological structures that 554 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,200 we're we're basing it off of of we've 555 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,880 defined that a a little bit more, 556 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,480 especially in our flat waters. Some of 557 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,000 them was a mix and some people were 558 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,400 like, "It's actually here." And it's 559 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,400 like, "No, if you read it, it's actually 560 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,840 here." And so those lines, I think we 561 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,280 firmed up where that is actually at. 562 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,760 My other thought is that, you know, the 563 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,760 person behind this uh from Washington 564 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080 County area, 565 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,360 he tried to run a bill at the 566 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,280 legislature and it went absolutely 567 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,200 nowhere, right? didn't even get out of 568 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,880 rules, right? 569 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,720 >> So, is there some other level of concern 570 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,919 or opposition to this or how do we just, 571 00:23:57,919 --> 00:23:59,360 you know, deal with that? 572 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:00,960 >> Jeff, I think the answer is it's just 573 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,760 political. 574 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,240 >> Yeah. Okay. That's that's about the best 575 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,240 way to say it. It's political. And 576 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,799 >> Jeff, did his bill have be more 577 00:24:08,799 --> 00:24:11,039 encompassing than this? Thought I 578 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,640 thought there was additional stuff. 579 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,279 >> There's additional stuff of of uh defi 580 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,159 redefining what a vessel was. um 581 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,720 reinstating the 582 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,159 um what a closeness to shore there was x 583 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,159 amount of feet from shore that it was 584 00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:29,679 there was exemptions with that and um 585 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:31,279 yeah I think we've I think we're in a 586 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,039 good good spot. 587 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,360 >> Okay. I I'm just, you know, poking at 588 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:36,240 every possible 589 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,159 >> No, I know I know it's the biggest thing 590 00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:42,640 is is that we actively and will be 591 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:49,520 continually evaluating this and and um 592 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,440 >> uh 593 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,679 and then that's good. Yes, we are 594 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:55,600 looking at this one here. And this is 595 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,720 the good thing is is this is not in code 596 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,279 because if it is in code, we would have 597 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:02,880 to wait until the next legislative 598 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 session and then even find a sponsor to 599 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,679 make it and get it done where this is 600 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,320 admin rules. It's a lot more fluid and 601 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,799 we can make a change if we need to to be 602 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,640 able to keep the public safe in in these 603 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,120 areas. And so you mentioned that we'll 604 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,480 be providing advice. This group will be 605 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,640 giving advice to the outdoor adventure 606 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,000 commission. Is that 607 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600 >> No, us the division will present this 608 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,480 and and advise the commission that we're 609 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,720 going to be changing this rule from what 610 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,039 its current language is to what it is 611 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:36,559 what our proposal is. 612 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:38,640 >> So what role do we play for you 613 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,440 >> in this is just advisory to look to look 614 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:47,440 at. It's not necessarily open for us to go, but I I might send out not might 615 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,600 I need to send out a copy of this when 616 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,679 we when it gets published and I would 617 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:54,080 love to have your your individual input 618 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,480 >> and that would take place during the 619 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,559 >> during the public comment period. 620 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,880 >> So then I would suggest that we do that 621 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,720 kind of through informal. 622 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,480 >> You can you can do it one of two ways. 623 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,480 We can do it is is you do the formal 624 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,159 piece with that or I can send an 625 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,799 individual email to each each member and 626 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,600 ask for their individual uh pieces input 627 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,720 back. We should do 628 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,480 >> either would work. Just depends on what 629 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,039 you guys want. 630 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:20,960 >> I just we have to be careful if we send 631 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,279 things. I don't need to send it to Jeff 632 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,279 and George and Adam and have the three 633 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:26,799 of you in there because we could be 634 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,880 considered we don't want to go above a 635 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,960 corn. We don't want them to look like 636 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,200 it's kind of a hinky communication. 637 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,799 the right way to do it as a regular part 638 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,080 of our meeting council 639 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,919 >> at our next meeting or something or 640 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:41,840 >> isn't the next uh outdoor adventure 641 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600 committee meeting in November. 642 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,760 >> I don't know when they meet but um 643 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,440 >> that was the issue with that. 644 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,960 >> We're looking at that of whether or not 645 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,360 how we how we can advise how we can 646 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,400 notify them how the notification occurs 647 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,480 and so we're we're actively working on 648 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,480 that. the next meeting is likely 649 00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,919 >> because it's possible we might have 650 00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:03,279 another advisory council meeting before 651 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:04,960 then. Obviously, we're going to have at 652 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,200 least one for the grants. So, we might 653 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,960 have two meetings maybe. 654 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,120 >> So, we could take this up and have it as 655 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,640 just an agenda item. 656 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,480 >> And and the other part of that is if we 657 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,000 as a council vote to support it, just 658 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,120 adds it adds it adds some more strength 659 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,520 and back to it with that. So, 660 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080 >> yeah, I like that. 661 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,960 So, we don't have this as an action. Um, 662 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,440 I don't know if you guys I mean, 663 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,240 >> refer to to council on on adding action 664 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,679 items. I don't think you can. 665 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:37,200 >> No, we're not we can't add anything. 666 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080 >> So, but we can we can we've at least 667 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,720 discussed what we will do procedurally. 668 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,120 And so, we'll have this as an action 669 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,919 agenda item on one of our very first 670 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,360 meeting. Wonderful. 671 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:53,919 >> Yeah. Any other comments from the online 672 00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,480 committee? 673 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,320 about the process or 674 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,000 >> I'd ask if any of them have any 675 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,120 heartburn with it. 676 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,760 >> Yeah. Any thoughts, thoughts? I mean, 677 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,919 Jason, you said, "Yeah, you okay?" 678 00:28:05,919 --> 00:28:08,480 >> Yeah. I I'd like to read it, you know, 679 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,080 um and and just kind of have it in front 680 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,960 of me, you know, and stuff. I think I I 681 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,200 still feel like there's some confusion, 682 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,360 but I but I also see what Tai is saying, 683 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,760 you know, and so I I guess I would like 684 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,960 to read it, you know, and um once it 685 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760 comes out. 686 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,039 >> Will we get that opportunity? 687 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,840 >> You you will once we get it into the the 688 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,480 publish when we submit it to admin 689 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,000 rules. 690 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,440 >> Okay. 691 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,360 >> Is that or is that wrong? Correct me if 692 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,324 I'm wrong, council. 693 00:28:43,324 --> 00:28:44,240 >> [laughter] 694 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,559 >> Sorry to put you in this this issue. 695 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,320 >> Uh, [clears throat] as far as I'm aware, 696 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,799 there's no privilege with this document. 697 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:52,960 If you would like to, you would be able 698 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,480 to share it among the voting advisory 699 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,559 committee before you notify the 700 00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:56,960 >> Okay. 701 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,720 >> And label it as draft. 702 00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,039 >> Sure. 703 00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:59,840 >> Yes. 704 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,679 >> we would do that. So, Nico and I, what 705 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,520 I'll do is I'll do that and I can 706 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,000 disperse this. Now, in the dispersal, 707 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,360 I'm going to disperse it to each 708 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,279 individual of that. If you have comments 709 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,279 and whatever else that are not out 710 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,520 they're outside of the meeting 711 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520 individually come respond back to me 712 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,679 with this uh please and we need to 713 00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,080 adhere to the open public meetings. So 714 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,399 don't be calling amongst in that because 715 00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,080 we don't want to violate open public 716 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,760 meetings with that. I need your 717 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,760 individual responses back. 718 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,080 >> Okay. 719 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,240 >> And I well I'll I'll make sure this is 720 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360 an agenda item next meeting. 721 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,159 >> Yeah. Okay. 722 00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:35,760 >> You can have that there. 723 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,240 >> What about Jen? You have any thoughts, 724 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,320 Zach? 725 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,480 >> No, I I agree with that approach. I also 726 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,159 wanted to to read it before further 727 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,399 comment. So, that's a great opportunity. 728 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,760 >> Yeah, same. I'd like to read it, too. 729 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,480 >> Adam, 730 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,039 >> sounds good. I'll wait. 731 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,559 >> Okay. All right. So, I think we got 732 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:01,760 >> We got it. Like I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the the mood change out of 733 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,360 this, but it it's I'm not actually I can 734 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,840 kind of go through and say, you know, 735 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,200 sometimes when you start something, 736 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,960 you're like, oh, this isn't going to 737 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,279 work. And then once you get in the 738 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,120 middle of it, you kind of go through and 739 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,159 go, okay, I'm starting to see something 740 00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:20,320 here kind of going, I think we're okay. 741 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,520 And then they even know historical it's 742 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,159 a rule. We can we can move we can move 743 00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:30,320 much faster. um in in that aspect. So, 744 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,480 >> and we're not we're not going to be 745 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,640 asked to provide a form at public 746 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,240 hearing 747 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,760 on this. 748 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,159 >> Okay. 749 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:40,159 >> The public hearing the notification to 750 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:43,679 the advisory uh not advisory outdoor 751 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:47,679 adventure commission um with it and the 752 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,760 public hearing is actually what Utah 753 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600 administrative rules does when they post 754 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,360 it and they post it for comment. So the 755 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,120 just the comment but there won't be 756 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,679 actual 757 00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,360 >> comments. We have some things that are 758 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,039 blaring out of this that you guys all a 759 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:02,880 sudden see some massive holes and then 760 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,559 that's where we need to talk back and 761 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:06,960 forth and look at this and say is is 762 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,880 these are these concerns okay 763 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,480 >> are these concerns that we need to be 764 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480 looking at and and really looking at. So 765 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,120 it's nice we're going to have some 766 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,039 in essence 767 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:20,960 eyes on this of people that are very concerned about voting and voting 768 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,640 safety across the state. 769 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,799 Well, you know, as representative 770 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,799 council, you know, we each represent 771 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,679 constituency. So, it'll be part of our 772 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,799 duty to share this information and get 773 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,799 feedback from the voting community, 774 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,919 right? So, how do we do that 775 00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:42,559 and not break any rules? Um, I would 776 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,080 just recommend that let's keep this 777 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,240 between the voting advisory council 778 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,600 until we 779 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,750 >> your chairs until it becomes 780 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,240 » Yeah. 781 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,600 >> until the public comment period opens. 782 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,440 >> Correct. 783 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,360 >> Okay. And do you have a timeline of when 784 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,039 you're going to get this to the new 785 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:03,279 commissioner for DNR? 786 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,600 >> We got to go to the comm I Yeah, we're 787 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,679 working on that currently right now. 788 00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:09,200 >> I was going to grab Ty right after this 789 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,080 hearing. 790 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,440 We're going to talk Drew. He wanted to 791 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760 talk last week with it and I actually 792 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,679 took 793 00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:19,120 >> um let's see I took 37 hours off last 794 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,799 week because I didn't bother with 795 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,399 anything. This is the first time in a 796 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:24,720 long time but I didn't want to answer my 797 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200 phone or do anything with that. So three 798 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,799 hours out of that I did do some things 799 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,559 and one of those was is communication to 800 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,720 Nico saying can we push this to next 801 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:33,887 week? 802 00:32:33,887 --> 00:32:34,240 >> [clears throat] 803 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,640 >> So if if we have a meeting, let's say at 804 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,320 the end of September for this group, 805 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,320 would there be would it be ready for us 806 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,159 to discuss at that point? 807 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:43,600 >> Yeah, we could be this. 808 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,360 >> I'm just trying to anticipate. 809 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,720 >> Okay, thanks. 810 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,679 >> All righty. So now next the next one's 811 00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:52,080 Cutler. Now Cutler's uh Cutler's still 812 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,480 work in progress with some stuff as as 813 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440 Eve talked about with this. Um, kind of 814 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,440 going back, I'm I'm remembering some 815 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,159 things and kind of going through. 816 00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:04,720 Uh there was some changes in some 817 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,399 language with this and it was a 818 00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:09,200 misunderstanding of what the A, B, and C 819 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,360 sections were on Cutler with that and 820 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,760 not knowing what those sections were and 821 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,120 reading the current language of the of 822 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,200 the uh 823 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,679 I'm going to call it the precoid 824 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,519 rule. I think that's a good way of 825 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,159 saying the rule wasn't pre-COVID to what 826 00:33:30,159 --> 00:33:33,679 it was postcoid with that was that we 827 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,679 didn't there wasn't an understanding and 828 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:38,399 so as as we were reviewing things and we 829 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:42,080 had a previous council work on this um 830 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,919 there were changes to be able to show 831 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:46,480 kind of fluent how it read and 832 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,080 understanding because it seemed 833 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,960 confusing. So, it was changed uh into 834 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,880 what it is now, which basically 835 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,159 restricts all motorized travel, all all 836 00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:58,159 motorized watercraft on there to be less 837 00:33:58,159 --> 00:34:01,039 than 35 horses um with it, which is 838 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,679 incorrect. That is that is with only one 839 00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:07,200 particular section of of the reservoir. 840 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,599 Um, we are 841 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,800 reverting back maybe as close as we can 842 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,480 get to that language, but we want to 843 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,919 ensure that 844 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:22,480 when I am when I am replaced 845 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,839 and new council comes in and we open we 846 00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:28,079 do a law review with this that there's 847 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:29,679 not going to be a repeat of what 848 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,679 happened. So, we're making sure that 849 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,079 there's the information behind it and where it can be understandable. So I 850 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:37,760 may be just one or two extra little 851 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,679 words in this and it's done in the back 852 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:43,200 but it's we have a section 853 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,359 which is basically for most all 854 00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:48,159 watercraft if I can remember with that. 855 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,240 Eve you're gonna I'm not even going to 856 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:51,520 speak with it because I can't even speak 857 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,159 it the right way. Um but we have a 858 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,159 section we have B section which has its 859 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,520 restrictions and then we have a C 860 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,480 section that has 35 horsepower or less. 861 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560 And a lot of that is because this is a 862 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440 shallow reservoir and we need to we need 863 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,119 to be there with that. So, one of the 864 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:08,960 new things that's going to be in there 865 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,119 that we're investigating 866 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:15,520 um is looking at 867 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,280 use uses and andor types of activities 868 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,520 andor particular hall types that we're 869 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,119 trying to look at that can be on the on 870 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:27,760 the body of water. And we're working 871 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,560 through that piece as as as we speak 872 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,160 with that and making sure that we're 873 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,440 doing our our due diligence there. And 874 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,440 we want to try to appease as much as we 875 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,760 can that the managing agency and in 876 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,960 essence the majority of the land owner 877 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,680 shift that's around that that is that is 878 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,599 taken in there with Pacific Core and 879 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,520 that we're doing 880 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,200 kind of doing as as we're asked and 881 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,640 being consistent the way the place is 882 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,359 signed already. 883 00:35:57,359 --> 00:35:59,119 But we need to be very careful because 884 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,880 there's a lot of case law on this across 885 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,800 the United States. We need to be awfully careful of how we approach it. 886 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,280 So I know I'm being very loose and 887 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,560 whatever else, but there's certain 888 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960 things I cannot present to you at this 889 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,800 point in time that I only feel 890 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,280 comfortable presenting to council. 891 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,079 >> Okay. 892 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,240 >> With you know when you'll have that 893 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,200 information for us? 894 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,800 >> Um we want to have that as soon as 895 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,599 possible we can. We need Joe and I will 896 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:26,800 be getting that. 897 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,440 >> Um pretty interested to see how that 898 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,240 lays out. 899 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,000 >> Yeah. 900 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,400 >> Should we ask Eve to 901 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,480 >> Eve if Eve wants to give some comments 902 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,960 on it? Maybe the explanation of what AB 903 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,320 and C sections are and Pacific Core's 904 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,040 reasoning in the past on this because 905 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,560 this rule was created with my 906 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,160 predecessor. Um so I think if we can 907 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,599 default to Eve, I think that would be 908 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,440 great on that aspect there. And then 909 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,160 there's also some some public safety and 910 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,240 public health issues that we're we're 911 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,880 that's what we're investigating with the activities and then the hall types 912 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,400 as we do that. 913 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,560 >> Cutler is just like a real interesting 914 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560 mosaic of issues. 915 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,400 >> There is a lot of stuff with color in 916 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,480 there with that. And so I am learning 917 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,560 every day and every day I talk about Eve 918 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,359 with this one here. So it's it's it's 919 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:19,280 kind of neat. But if we wanted we can 920 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,920 turn 921 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,599 >> Yeah. I mean, Eve and I had spoken what 922 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,200 about two weeks ago, two and a half 923 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,320 weeks ago, and boy, I mean, I was 924 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,920 overwhelmed almost, right? Because it 925 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,839 was just a phone call. Here it all is. 926 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,880 And I've known you for years. And it's 927 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,160 like, wow, Cutler has a lot 928 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,480 >> to deal with. And this mixup in the rule 929 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440 change from a few years ago, there's 930 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,680 also a FK permit that they're going to 931 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,960 be reapplying for. Um, and so there's 932 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,160 that's going to open up for some other 933 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,720 rule changes and restrictions. And 934 00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,320 conservation 935 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960 is an issue up there with the wetlands. 936 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,920 There's the sewer plant issue, the hung 937 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,960 blooms issue, the nitrogen stirring up 938 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,040 the sediments, bank erosion. 939 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,240 It's got everything. 940 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:12,560 >> Yeah. 941 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,440 >> So, Eve, would you like to go ahead? I I 942 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,720 know you weren't prepared to do a 943 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,960 presentation today, but you want to go 944 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,480 ahead and talk about it? 945 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,960 >> Yeah, I'm I'm not sure I have a way to 946 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,839 share the actual map with you, but I can 947 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,839 just tell you a little bit about I've 948 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:31,599 been involved um at Cutler since 1998. I 949 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,200 can't believe that. Uh since we're 950 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,280 implementing the last license, and as 951 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,119 Jeff said, we are we're actually waiting 952 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,320 right now. Um FK's a little overdue on 953 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,320 our new license there, but we would 954 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200 expect to have that 955 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,599 um anytime. I've been saying any day now 956 00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,440 for like the last 600 days. So, um so, 957 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,599 uh we'd anticipate getting the new 958 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:57,359 license very soon. Um but as a you know, 959 00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,359 just part of general recreation that 960 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:02,720 we've been um managing there over over 961 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,599 all this long time. Um I started getting 962 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,359 phone calls this year with people being 963 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:09,119 confused about those three sections of 964 00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:10,800 the reservoir that Ty was mentioning. 965 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,359 So, um I apologize I don't have a way to 966 00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,440 share a visual with you, but it's quite 967 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,200 simple if you're familiar with Cutler at 968 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,599 all. It's a large uh wetland reservoir 969 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:25,280 complex and as Tai noted um the the 970 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,520 depth of reservo of the reservoir 971 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,640 actually remarkably um shallow. It's a 972 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,160 shallow water emergent marsh system. Um 973 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,920 the reservoir depth in the south 974 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000 uh portion of the marsh so south of Ben 975 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,280 Marinaria if you're familiar with that 976 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,680 area um is actually less than um than 2 977 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,480 feet deep and the reservoir the entire 978 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,720 reservoir average depth of the entire 979 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,560 reservoir is less than four feet. So 980 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,440 it's a really shallow water. There are a 981 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680 few deeper spots but there's really no 982 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,400 place um that is that is particularly 983 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,680 deep. So that just means you have to 984 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,240 know the reservoir pretty well. Um some 985 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,720 people do people who who go there or 986 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,960 they use it for very shallow water um 987 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,960 recreation. But the three sections of 988 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,160 the reservoir basically we have um wake 989 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,760 list and under 35 horsepower motors at 990 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,280 all times year round from um the old 991 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,280 railroad dyke which is just south of Ben 992 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,800 Marina all the way south through the 993 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,839 southern portions of the reservoir. And 994 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:32,240 then we have um from that point north we 995 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,400 have um 996 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,000 >> safe you know any safe motor 997 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,160 excuse me safe speeds and any motor 998 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,040 size. And then in where the bear river 999 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,480 from the confluence of the of the bear 1000 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,480 river with the reservoir and up to the 1001 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,240 limits of the FK project boundary. um 1002 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:55,280 that area of the Bear River itself is 1003 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520 actually 1004 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,200 um 1005 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,520 seasonally restricted um because people 1006 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,599 like to duck hunt in that area. So that 1007 00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,480 area is wakeless and under 35 horsepower 1008 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,319 motors just during the fall season um 1009 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:13,119 well basically from September through 1010 00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,680 January. Um it to allow for traditional 1011 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,079 duck hunting recreation. So, there's a 1012 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,359 lot of recreation that takes place 1013 00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:26,720 there. A lot of hunting, a lot of um 1014 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,839 uh paddle boarding and canoeing and 1015 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:33,040 kaying and some water skiing um in those 1016 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,079 areas north of Benson Marina and uh but 1017 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:37,760 also a lot of other people who just go 1018 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,240 to walk their dogs or go fishing or 1019 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,920 there's a remarkable amount of use 1020 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,440 especially for such a um 1021 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,920 a unusual reservoir system. really 1022 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,920 doesn't look much like a traditional 1023 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,359 reservoir that you might imagine in 1024 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:54,319 northern Utah. So, uh, so just trying to 1025 00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:59,200 get the verbiage at this in the state 1026 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,680 administrative record to match what we 1027 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,119 already have out there on all of the 1028 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,400 signs. I think that's our first 1029 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,119 challenge. And then, um, Tai's alluded 1030 00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,720 to the fact that there's some other 1031 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,640 issues that we're looking at at the same 1032 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,040 time. But I think the first part of that 1033 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,680 is just a very simple um really 1034 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,440 literally um clarifying with a very few 1035 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,680 short Oh, wow. Somebody's so clever 1036 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,960 there. Thank you. How did you [laughter] 1037 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,200 >> know that? Nico and Dor did this. 1038 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,760 >> Wonderful. Thank you. So the the right 1039 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,520 there shown in green, that's the area 1040 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,800 where I'm saying there's feedal 1041 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,720 restrictions. So that's basically the 1042 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:37,920 end of that. It's not the end of the 1043 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,359 Bear River. It's just the end of our FK 1044 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,119 project boundary. So outlined in pink, 1045 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,119 that's the entire FK project boundary. 1046 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,119 The area in a more turquoise or light 1047 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,240 blue. Um it's a little bit narrower, you 1048 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,000 can see there, and extends up into 1049 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,160 Cutler Canyon and around towards the 1050 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,839 dam. Um uh that area is where um we have 1051 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:01,359 yearround uh no motorcycle restrictions 1052 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:04,960 nor uh nor wakeless restrictions. 1053 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,480 Although, as you can see from the um we 1054 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,480 actually measured how narrow the 1055 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,000 reservoir is up there in the canyon, 1056 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400 it's it's really only about 100 yards 1057 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440 wide in some of the narrower points. Um 1058 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,000 so I think state law does have some 1059 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,680 restrictions on what kind of wakes you 1060 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,079 can have in those very narrow areas, but 1061 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,680 regardless on that. And then in the 1062 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,240 deeper blue area, you can see that 1063 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,680 extends down and across south of um of 1064 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,319 Highway 30 there that goes across. So to 1065 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:36,720 the right of this map um you'd find 1066 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:41,760 Logan and and the uh the new water 1067 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,440 treatment center that's there and then 1068 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,200 to the left that's the highway heading 1069 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,000 up and over the hill towards Tmont. So 1070 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,520 um in the deep blue that's the area 1071 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,880 where there are year round wakeless um 1072 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,520 wakeless speeds and year round 1073 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,359 motorcycle restrictions there. So those 1074 00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,920 are the three areas that um I was 1075 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,240 referring to. 1076 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,400 Can you share that with us? 1077 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,190 >> Yes, I can. 1078 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,160 » We were just discussing getting this uh 1079 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,720 image shared with all the other council 1080 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,160 members. So, 1081 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,520 >> perfect. And that's that's it's 1082 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,760 available on our website. I can send any 1083 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,200 additional information. I'm happy to 1084 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,280 answer any questions if people have 1085 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,599 questions, but um that's just real quick 1086 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,599 overview of the site there. 1087 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,880 Well, you know, and talking with Eve, 1088 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,240 you know, there are a lot of issues 1089 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,960 because they own the reservoir except 1090 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,440 for the navigable channel, right, of the 1091 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,440 river, which is forest, fire, state 1092 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,920 lands, public land. And so there's, you 1093 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,400 know, when you put restrictions, 1094 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,160 you have to, you put the restrictions 1095 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,760 where people launch and they have to 1096 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,640 launch from private land in order to get 1097 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,560 to the public navigable area. So you 1098 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:05,599 have this legal dilemma of you know the private property owner can enforce 1099 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,240 whatever rules they have that people are 1100 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,640 going to be claiming we have the right 1101 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,359 to access the navigable channel and the 1102 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,520 channel is even too shallow for a lot of 1103 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,880 the link boats that are trying to use 1104 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,800 that area 1105 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,960 and you know there's even I were talking 1106 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,079 about a lot of the erosion control 1107 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,240 issues which you know it's a big issue 1108 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,079 statewide with the reservoir is erosion 1109 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,680 uh from motorboats and so I think 1110 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,800 there's a lot there's there's a lot here 1111 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,280 for sure that we need to be familiarized 1112 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,839 with and I really appreciate your taking 1113 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:45,440 the time because she was not going to be 1114 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,680 available today but here she is making 1115 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,670 the presentation anyway [laughter] 1116 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,000 any uh questions for Ty or Eve from 1117 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,960 anybody from the Council 1118 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,960 >> George. 1119 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,520 >> No, I think the the map's pretty that's 1120 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,560 the explanatory part that kind of puts 1121 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,480 the visual to the description. 1122 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,319 >> So, and that's pretty handy. 1123 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:18,240 >> Adam being the motorboat rep. 1124 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,280 >> No, I I think it's I think the maps uh 1125 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,960 it's pretty easy to read. I don't vote 1126 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,839 on Cutler, so I don't know it very well. 1127 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:28,640 Um But I guess is there confusion with 1128 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,960 people not knowing where they can and 1129 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,720 cannot go? 1130 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,520 >> I I I think that the confusion just stem 1131 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,520 from um you know I think everybody here 1132 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,680 would understand that there's if there's 1133 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,079 going to be a large number of users 1134 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,599 there's going to occasionally be 1135 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:47,280 conflict between those users. So, I 1136 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,960 think that the real issue happened that 1137 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,480 um 1138 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,880 some people who had newly discovered 1139 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,319 Cutler Reservoir, I know because I've 1140 00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:58,720 talked to both parties, but um they had 1141 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,240 kind of newly discovered Cutler 1142 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,240 Reservoir and they weren't super happy 1143 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,240 that they felt like their fishing was 1144 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:09,599 being disturbed by motorized use. And um 1145 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,599 the rules in that map that you just saw, 1146 00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,359 those are all posted there um on the on 1147 00:47:15,359 --> 00:47:17,920 the sign boards. So the people who were 1148 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,640 enjoying uh the voting use that they had 1149 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,599 been doing for many years at that point 1150 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,920 were clear on what the what the rules 1151 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,200 were. somebody who was unhappy with that 1152 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,000 use called law enforcement after they 1153 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,800 looked on the website not or not the 1154 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,280 Cutler website but on the states um 1155 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,119 I don't Ty what would you even call that 1156 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:42,960 like basically the reg the rules the 1157 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,680 administrative rules part of the of the 1158 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,079 state language and um and they found 1159 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,400 what Tai described to you which that was 1160 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:53,760 simply just 1161 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,319 >> an error in transcription is how I would 1162 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:57,280 look at 1163 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,200 And so and so they they called law 1164 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,640 enforcement and said, "Hey, there's 1165 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,920 people here who aren't supposed to be 1166 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160 here." Even though 1167 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,599 what was written on the state 1168 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,440 administrative rule was an error, what 1169 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,760 was there on site was correct. So I 1170 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,440 started getting calls and that's I was 1171 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,079 like, "Wait, what?" Um, no, that that 1172 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,720 use is okay. But anyway, so uh it just 1173 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:20,240 that's that's how we discovered that 1174 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,349 there was concern. 1175 00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:28,559 So what what do we do at this point in 1176 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,079 time 1177 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,319 as an advisory council 1178 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,319 >> as this I think we'll wait until we're 1179 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,319 ready to to put out language 1180 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:36,880 >> okay 1181 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960 >> at this point in time and then as soon 1182 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,960 as we get 1183 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,720 to where we're comfortable to to push 1184 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,400 the to push the language out we will do 1185 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,800 so but again this will follow the exact 1186 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,200 same thing structure with this is when 1187 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,760 we are ready we are going We give this 1188 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,400 to to the commissioner. Now that's 1189 00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,839 resources. We're going to move to the 1190 00:48:55,839 --> 00:48:57,520 other adventure commission and give them 1191 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,160 notification and then proceed to move 1192 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,520 the rule um to administrative rules with 1193 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,359 that. Now out of this we're going to 1194 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:07,839 probably do some presubmission reviews 1195 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,400 with administrative rules because they 1196 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,000 administrative rules has a whole 1197 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,680 different type of language 1198 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,079 than what our statutorial language is. and he laughs because he knows 1199 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,000 exactly what I'm talking about. It does 1200 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,040 not fit the norm. So with that is we're 1201 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,720 trying to figure out we want to make 1202 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,400 sure that it's there so we're not in 1203 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,200 this back and forth stalemate and then 1204 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,440 what version is what they've given us an 1205 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,280 opportunity where we can have kind of a 1206 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,760 pre-check and then they come back with 1207 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,079 some feedback we fix. We send back for 1208 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,720 another pre-check and sometimes some 1209 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,319 other things pops up and it comes back. 1210 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:46,319 So we kind of have that kind of go 1211 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:47,839 through. So, it's kind of in essence, if 1212 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,040 you've ever written anything, it's like 1213 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,720 working with your editor. You know, 1214 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,160 they're going to see some something one 1215 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,200 day and then they're going to see 1216 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,559 something else the next day with that 1217 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,240 one. So, that's what we're working 1218 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,400 through on that. As soon as we get to 1219 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,240 where we're comfortable in that piece 1220 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,240 that we have something in that, then we 1221 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,880 can pass out a draft at that portion of 1222 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,440 the time to the advisory council and ask 1223 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440 for for comments before we do that 1224 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,359 actual checks and submissions in that. 1225 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,440 And as you go through this iterative 1226 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,760 process, you're working with Pacific 1227 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,760 Core because it's largely a private 1228 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,119 reservoir, 1229 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,319 >> right? So 1230 00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,760 >> essentially they could impose 1231 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,680 >> a lot a lot of this is we're we're in 1232 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000 essence looking at what is currently 1233 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,599 signed there, 1234 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,920 >> the current uses that are there and we 1235 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,920 want to make sure that we're conveying 1236 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,240 the current uses the map of the AB and C 1237 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,079 sections that are on that. We've we've 1238 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,160 got that explicitly back which is 1239 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,400 basically what it was pre pre- change. 1240 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,240 Um I think it's like I said it's maybe 1241 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,359 one two three words difference in that 1242 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,520 just maybe fixes some of the nuances 1243 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,839 that was discovered by other council 1244 00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:57,760 that didn't make sense out of that. And 1245 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,720 um so we've got that kind of we got that 1246 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,640 that's roll that's solid with it. The 1247 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,079 other the other portion we're trying to 1248 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:06,160 look at from a public health and public 1249 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,720 safety piece with this, we need to make 1250 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,960 sure that we have the right the right 1251 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,559 language and the right things in there. 1252 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,280 And there there there are there are 1253 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,400 hurdles that we're trying to look at and work through. And there's the 1254 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,800 conservation aspect, right, for some of 1255 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,160 the birds that use the marsh area. It 1256 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,680 have to be incorporated into those 1257 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,680 rules, right? 1258 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,720 >> So, 1259 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,720 >> yeah. And that was that that's actually 1260 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,000 a really good point, Jeeoff. That was 1261 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,400 the that was sort of the precursor to 1262 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000 why we went to trying to ensure that 1263 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,319 there were areas of the reservoir that 1264 00:51:42,319 --> 00:51:45,599 were available for um for motorized 1265 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,680 water sports, but also other areas. We 1266 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,839 have um sensitive wildlife species that 1267 00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:52,400 are there, colonial nesting birds, 3% of 1268 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,920 the world's population of whitefaced 1269 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,319 ibis, a few other things that um so 1270 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,000 we're trying to balance all those 1271 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,680 different uses there um at the 1272 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,880 reservoir. So 1273 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,880 >> do you get a lot of personal watercraft 1274 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,390 use there? 1275 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,520 » So Jen, uh what do you what's your 1276 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,000 response on some of the discussion? 1277 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,280 >> Oh, that would be Zack. 1278 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,160 >> Oh, Zach. 1279 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:18,559 >> Well, 1280 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,920 >> yeah. No, I I I appreciate the very 1281 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,640 thorough overview and the conversation 1282 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,559 related to the issues at color. That was 1283 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,559 a thought that I had. I don't personally 1284 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:29,520 have a lot of knowledge of the 1285 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,760 reservoir, but I not being far, I do 1286 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,079 intend to stop by and see it for myself. 1287 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,760 So, it's a great call out, Jeff, and 1288 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,960 then to more about it. 1289 00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,720 >> I think most most of the personal 1290 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:44,880 watercraft use tends to be in the river 1291 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,200 itself. So, in that that sea zone there 1292 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,440 that we that we looked at. Um, but 1293 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,040 there, you know, just because I think 1294 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,839 you have to really know the reservoir to 1295 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:56,559 be in uh in anything with a deeper hole 1296 00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:00,000 that's going to go fast at all. So, 1297 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000 >> and you still have to launch from the 1298 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,880 privately held launch sites. 1299 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200 >> So, you still have to follow. 1300 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,839 >> So, we own all of that land. Part of our 1301 00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:13,680 FIRK license um 1302 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,400 uh is what incorporates the public use 1303 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,160 into that. We welcome the public. We 1304 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,680 want for people to come and use the 1305 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,520 site. So, we have a number of recreation 1306 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,520 sites there. Depending on how you count, 1307 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,760 there's areas where you can go and just 1308 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,160 hike or walk. There's two areas where 1309 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640 you can only access those by boat. 1310 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,280 There's some canoe trails and then 1311 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,200 there's a couple of areas that are 1312 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,720 slightly more developed. There's nothing 1313 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:38,880 fancy there color, but you know, we have 1314 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,280 little picnic shelters and picnic tables 1315 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,720 and couple areas where you can launch um 1316 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,240 you know, with a trailer, you know, back 1317 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:48,160 in a boat down ramp. um into the 1318 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,240 reservoir. So we have about 15 total, 1319 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,760 you know, different small use 1320 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:02,630 types and areas that are laid out there. 1321 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,800 » Okay. And then Craig had his hand up. 1322 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,630 Craig, 1323 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,200 » yeah, I just I wanted to point out that, 1324 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,359 you know, this this seems controversial 1325 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:16,480 right now. Um, apparently I I don't 1326 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,440 think it should be and I think it really 1327 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,359 is a good example of what the future of 1328 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:22,800 voting in Utah is probably going to look 1329 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,839 like when we're either all retired or 1330 00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:29,280 too long in the two. Um, we're getting 1331 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,119 to a point right now where partitioning 1332 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:33,920 of use is going to be an important way 1333 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,400 that we manage boating in Utah. And I 1334 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,480 think Eve pointed out, there are 1335 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,680 different voters out there. Um, people 1336 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,440 use the resource differently and we need 1337 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,079 to make sure that everybody has a place 1338 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,359 to play. So, I commend you guys. Well, 1339 00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,599 in advance of this issue ever being a 1340 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,000 thing that was, you know, called for, 1341 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,559 you made a call to partition use, which 1342 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:57,920 was pretty cool. 1343 00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,359 >> Yeah, thank you. We've really tried 1344 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,680 hard. We we do welcome um, you know, a 1345 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,000 variety of different uses. Not every use 1346 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,680 is compatible with Cutler just because 1347 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,440 it's so shallow, but for anything that 1348 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,200 is compatible, we want people to come. 1349 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,520 We want them to enjoy it. So, and we get 1350 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,599 a remarkable amount of use to be honest. 1351 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,960 It's the numbers, you know, I um as part 1352 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,839 of our FK relicensing, we did studies of 1353 00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:22,000 the FK by literally, excuse me, of the 1354 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,480 FK uh recreation sites by simply just 1355 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,200 putting car counters in and I the 1356 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,319 numbers are still eye popping to me. So, 1357 00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:35,280 >> well, I think this is a great dialogue. 1358 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,599 Um, thank you, Eve. Appreciate it. Nico, 1359 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:38,559 did you have any other 1360 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:40,079 >> Thank you. 1361 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,800 >> No thoughts as of now. 1362 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,920 Speak with my client first. 1363 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,839 >> It's heard me talk, right? I'm a legal 1364 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,400 system. I know. 1365 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,640 >> Okay. Um, any further comments, 1366 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,359 questions to Ty or Eve or 1367 00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:01,359 Okay. Um, we're anticipating uh Justin 1368 00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:05,200 Anderson from Auggan City joining us any 1369 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,880 moment now. Um I don't see him on the 1370 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:14,079 list just yet. So um maybe we could take 1371 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,160 a couple of minutes and talk about 1372 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,799 >> there is real quickly just before I'd 1373 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:22,000 like to mention that Kent Kent wanted to 1374 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,240 do public comment 1375 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,839 that 1376 00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:27,920 >> let's go ahead and allow him to do that 1377 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,400 now. 1378 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920 >> Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I don't mind. 1379 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,720 Singleton, um can you hear us? 1380 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,789 Is your microphone going? 1381 00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:47,750 [clears throat] 1382 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,000 Hello, Kent. 1383 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,240 I s I saw the message that he was unable 1384 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,400 to use his camera. 1385 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,799 >> Yeah, we can revisit three minute until 1386 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:00,319 uh we get done with the next agenda 1387 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,040 item. Okay, so our next agenda item, 1388 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,839 Justin Anderson, uh the city manager of 1389 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:08,160 Ogden City, thank you for taking the 1390 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,839 time and joining with us today. Um 1391 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:14,400 there's a lot of interest in what's 1392 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,319 happening at Pine View with the pipeline 1393 00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:19,520 crossing uh impact to fishing impact to 1394 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,200 recreational boating. And so I've asked 1395 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,720 you to kind of talk to us and help us 1396 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,280 understand the the nature of the 1397 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,839 project, the purpose, the timeline, the 1398 00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:35,599 impacts, and to dispel any uh 1399 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,359 misunderstandings that might be out 1400 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,240 there in the public social media world. 1401 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,559 So uh I'd welcome you Justin and I'd 1402 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:49,200 like to turn some time over to you. Did you get the presentation from this? 1403 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,280 >> Yes, I have it. So, whatever works 1404 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,040 easiest for you, Justin, if you want to 1405 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,599 share or if you want me to share. 1406 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,960 >> Yeah. Here, let me I I can share the 1407 00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,520 screen. Can you guys hear me? Okay. 1408 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:02,240 >> Yes. 1409 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,920 >> Okay, perfect. 1410 00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,680 >> Yeah. When I got on, I my camera 1411 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,280 wouldn't work either, so I had to make 1412 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,119 some adjustments and I wasn't sure if my 1413 00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:11,440 audio was still working correctly. Um, 1414 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,440 yes, I'm I'm Justin Anderson. I'm the 1415 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,680 Ogden City Public Services Executive 1416 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,920 Director. And so one of the divisions 1417 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,960 that I am over is the water utility for 1418 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,520 Ogden City. So I am going to share my 1419 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,160 screen here. 1420 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:35,829 Let's see. 1421 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:39,440 Select a tab to share. 1422 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:53,030 I'm worried. Let's see. 1423 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,520 I don't know if it's connecting right 1424 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,440 for me. If you have it, can you just 1425 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,240 bring it up and then I can talk to that 1426 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,839 might easier than just wasting 1427 00:59:01,839 --> 00:59:10,390 everybody's time. 1428 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,400 » Ah, perfect. 1429 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,240 So, actually, can you go up one more 1430 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,440 slide? 1431 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,640 >> Yes. 1432 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,839 >> Yeah. 1433 00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,880 >> Just before you start, just to also uh 1434 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,040 let everybody know Chris Kenny from the 1435 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,200 Division of Wildlife Resources, Northern 1436 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,720 Region Biologist who's been uh working 1437 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:32,319 with um um 1438 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:34,480 I can't remember your other biologist 1439 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,880 name all of a sudden. Taylor Stewart, 1440 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:37,520 right? 1441 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,440 >> You got it. Yep. 1442 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,799 >> So, u Chris Penny is on the call also 1443 00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:45,040 and is available to provide some 1444 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,520 information from the wildlife division. 1445 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,119 So go ahead Justin. 1446 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,079 >> Yeah. So again this is our our 1447 00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:54,640 transmission line project um that we're 1448 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,280 working on that provides essentially 1449 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,799 culinary water to all of a city and plus 1450 01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:04,480 we also wholesale water to other water 1451 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,640 providers. So that'll serve probably 1452 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,920 about an additional 30,000 people. Um, 1453 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,520 and so do you want to go down to the 1454 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,270 next slide? 1455 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,440 Yeah. So, just a little history of what 1456 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,720 this project is. And so, 1457 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,960 back essentially a long time ago when 1458 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,720 Pioneers showed up, there was there was 1459 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,960 a there was water in this area and Ogden 1460 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,760 City obtained those rights. And and and 1461 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,680 this picture that you're seeing of of 1462 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,079 this artisian wellfield is actually the 1463 01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:40,400 bottom of Pine View Reservoir. And so 1464 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,440 let's see, can I see some pictures? Um, 1465 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,079 so this this was a well filled and and 1466 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,079 this is how Ogden City got all of our 1467 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:53,520 water. And and really still today how we get the majority of our water. And 1468 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,440 you can see in the background of the of 1469 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,240 that bottom picture too, um there there 1470 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,799 was actually a a rail car line that 1471 01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:03,520 actually traversed the entire canyon and 1472 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,440 it it went up here and it got to what 1473 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,720 was called Artisian Park. And so this 1474 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,359 was a picture of 1920 of of that. Um if 1475 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:20,069 you want to uh go to the next slide. 1476 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,960 So yeah, so historically then uh you 1477 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,839 know Pine View Dam was constructed in 1478 01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:28,720 1934 and when that was constructed and 1479 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,640 you can see that that top right picture 1480 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,599 was the the construction of the dam and 1481 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,839 so again the the reservoir area started 1482 01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,079 to be you know underwater and so it 1483 01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:41,440 affected where our well field was and so 1484 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:45,119 those wells were kind of moved and then 1485 01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,040 um at that same time the city 1486 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,559 constructed an additional uh pipe line 1487 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,960 down Ogden Canyon within that old 1488 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,839 railroad alignment. Initially, there was 1489 01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:57,680 an old the init the the first line was 1490 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,480 an old woodstate pipe um believe it or 1491 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,119 not down the canyon and then there was a line installed in 1914 1492 01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:06,799 um that traversed essentially right 1493 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,640 where the roadway goes all the way down 1494 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,720 Ogden Canyon and Ogden City replaced 1495 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,119 that line. It was a hundred years later 1496 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,799 in in 2014 we we replaced that line. And 1497 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:20,960 so this this 36 inch line um a new 1498 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,440 additional one got laid right along that 1499 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,680 old railroad alignment. And so it kind 1500 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,400 of crisscrosses down through the canyon 1501 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,880 and it also went all the way up around 1502 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,520 above the top of where the reservoir was 1503 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,079 where our wells were moved. And then 1504 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:38,960 Pine View Reservoir got raised again in 1505 01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,880 1955. 1506 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,760 Um and so that affected uh how we 1507 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,559 operated. And from what I understand is 1508 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:49,040 in in that era too, the the reservoir 1509 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,040 would get lowered or essentially every 1510 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,079 year um drained or whatever you want to 1511 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,880 term it so that we could have access to 1512 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,599 maintain our facilities. And so that would happen almost every year. And 1513 01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:04,000 then again, and that this is the picture 1514 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,359 in the bottom right in 1970. 1515 01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:10,880 Um, the dam was raised again. And so at 1516 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,599 the time that that was raised, our our 1517 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,559 wells got moved over on essentially 1518 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:18,880 would be on the norththeast side of the 1519 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,359 reservoir or just on the north side of 1520 01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:23,599 the middle inlet on the east side. 1521 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:26,720 There's a peninsula right there. And so 1522 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,640 every time this happened and our well 1523 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,680 fields got moved, there was an agreement 1524 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,119 between um Ogden City then the Bureau of 1525 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,920 Reclamation and it also affected um the 1526 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:50,870 Ogden River Water Users Association and then in 1970 also we based 1527 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,039 » Okay. 1528 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:58,630 Um, you want to go to the next slide? 1529 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,200 So, that brings us to where we were at 1530 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,200 today and and this is on the the 1531 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,960 pipeline replacement project. So, this 1532 01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920 is uh actually work that was done 1533 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,640 earlier this spring um through one of 1534 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,359 the the neighborhoods in the canyon, but 1535 01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:16,000 again, it's within where this old rail 1536 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,240 road alignment was. And so the pipeline 1537 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,119 um that goes through Ogden Canyon is 90 1538 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,920 plus years old. Um it was installed 1539 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,480 before the the dam was first 1540 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,000 constructed. 1541 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,200 And so then when after the in 1970 1542 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,760 approximately when the dam was raised up 1543 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,559 again and underway the and the 1544 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,240 wellfields got moved. You can see in the 1545 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,400 bottom left that that's kind of shows 1546 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,480 the entire uh alignment of this project. 1547 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,400 And so it's over seven miles long. You 1548 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,680 can kind of see across Pine View 1549 01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,520 Reservoir. It's thicker. And we'll we'll 1550 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,839 look at this in greater detail in just a 1551 01:04:55,839 --> 01:04:59,200 second. But when when that was done and 1552 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,400 through agreement, um our our well 1553 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,400 fields were moved to again kind of that 1554 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,319 northeast side of that peninsula right 1555 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:10,160 there and it got installed underneath 1556 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,319 the the reservoir at that time. 1557 01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:19,280 So our our project that we're doing it's approximately hund00 million. Um we 1558 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,960 received funding through loans through 1559 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,000 the EPA or the WHIA program of the EPA. 1560 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,480 We also received loans from the state 1561 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:36,240 revolving fund. We received also some money and from the the division of 1562 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,839 drinking water uh in the state of Utah 1563 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:43,119 as well when we transferred some of our 1564 01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:46,480 rights within Pine View Reservoir, a 1565 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,119 1500 acre feet a year for the next 15 1566 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,960 years to feed into Willard Bay, the 1567 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,319 Willard Spur at the time. and uh that it 1568 01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:01,760 is uh requested every year. So 1569 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:06,230 um you want to go to the next slide. 1570 01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,039 So this is the the reservoir segment 1571 01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,680 right here that um of where it it 1572 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,000 crossed. So essentially we go from that 1573 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,240 peninsula all the way over and we go 1574 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,640 right next to just on the south side of 1575 01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,359 Port Ramp. Um I think most everybody's 1576 01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:22,559 probably familiar with that and that's 1577 01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,599 right where that line crossed. And so in 1578 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,880 preparing for this work um which we've 1579 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,520 been actually working on for a long time 1580 01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,599 we've been working probably for about 13 1581 01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:36,240 years on this project to go through 1582 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:41,039 Ogden Canyon. And so when this this 1583 01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,799 particular portion of the project was 1584 01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:45,119 actually slated not for this year but 1585 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,240 for the following year in the 2027 1586 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,440 the the fall of 27. And so with the 1587 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,480 historic low snow pack that we've had um 1588 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,440 this last year and with coordinating 1589 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,000 with both the the Bureau of Reclamation, 1590 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,160 the Ogden River water users and also 1591 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,119 Weaver Basin and other stakeholders, 1592 01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,920 um we felt that the the the timing of 1593 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,520 this with the the port ramp being closed 1594 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,160 um and everything else and with the 1595 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,760 reservoir level of where it was going to 1596 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:16,960 be, and we're going to talk about that 1597 01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,520 in just a minute, we felt like it would 1598 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,839 be better to go through this year when 1599 01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:23,119 the reservoir was already going to be 1600 01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:24,720 low and it was already going to be drawn 1601 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,960 down pretty close to where we would need 1602 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,000 it anyways and to to do the work this 1603 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,359 year and to also then coordinate with 1604 01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:35,039 the port ramp improvements. That's one 1605 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:36,480 of the things that we're we've been 1606 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,880 doing with the Forest Service is they 1607 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,280 were going to only do a portion of 1608 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,079 fixing the port ramp. And so we are 1609 01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,559 working with them and utilizing our 1610 01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,240 contractor 1611 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,960 um that we essentially all of the port 1612 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,440 ramp if if the Forest Service comes 1613 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,799 through with their money, which I think 1614 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:57,760 they are, should get replaced. And so 1615 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,200 we're trying to take care of everything 1616 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:02,240 all at once. And so this reservoir 1617 01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,640 doesn't have to be drawn down here 1618 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,520 multiple years. 1619 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,200 So you want to go to the next slide? 1620 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,599 Yeah. So, this is uh what we're 1621 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:18,000 proposing um right now is we're going to 1622 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:22,239 look to install a new a 48 in HDP 1623 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:25,279 transmission line from our well field 1624 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,319 across the reservoir um on the south 1625 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,319 side of the port ramp and then connect 1626 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,080 back up with the work that we're doing. 1627 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,080 The picture on the right is actually 1628 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,799 work that we did about a year ago um 1629 01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:42,400 going on the west side of the reservoir 1630 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,359 and this was along Highway 158 down 1631 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,679 towards the dam. And so that's that's 1632 01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:50,159 already work that has been completed. 1633 01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:52,560 But we are looking to when we install 1634 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,640 the new HDPE line, we're also going to 1635 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,640 look to get the other line also fixed. 1636 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,199 And so one thing that we don't know is 1637 01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:04,719 we haven't been able to look at this 1638 01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:08,159 line ever since it was installed. So we 1639 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,440 cannot turn this line off ever and for a 1640 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,679 couple different reasons. One, if it 1641 01:09:13,679 --> 01:09:17,199 gets turned off, we don't deliver water. 1642 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,600 Two, if we don't keep positive pressure 1643 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,880 on this line, we run the risk because we 1644 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,120 don't know the condition of it. We run 1645 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,440 the risk of could water actually 1646 01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:30,319 infiltrate back into this line. And so 1647 01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,799 there's just so many unknowns. And 1648 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:35,199 again, this this water line essentially 1649 01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:38,319 provides drinking water to 1650 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:45,600 130,000 people. So we we understand the need for it and how critical it is 1651 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,960 in supplying this this line. So once we 1652 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,759 have that new line in place, um we also 1653 01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,920 want to take the old line and we want to 1654 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,719 basically fix some bends in it so that 1655 01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:03,120 we can pull a uh like a you know as 1656 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,280 large as we can get. It might be a 24 1657 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,600 inch inside diameter pipeline. Slip line 1658 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,920 it with as large a diameter as we can 1659 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,520 get. It might be a little larger than 1660 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,320 24, but if we can get that through. So, 1661 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,679 one that'll have some redundancy so that 1662 01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:20,719 if we if we have to, we can shut shut a 1663 01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:23,280 line down and work on another line by 1664 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,679 slip lining it or at least getting in to 1665 01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:27,920 camera it or or pressurize it and 1666 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,400 isolate it and know if there's anything 1667 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,800 wrong with the pipeline. Right now, we 1668 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,520 can't do that. And so, the we need to 1669 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,920 supply in the peak season. We need at 1670 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,960 least a 36 inch pipeline. That's how the 1671 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,960 system's designed. That's the water 1672 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,040 delivery we need coming from this well 1673 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,120 field. And so even though the the the 1674 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,360 slip line pipeline will be smaller than 1675 01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:56,320 that in in the winter time or off peak 1676 01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,920 times, we could probably meet the demand 1677 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,320 um of of our city of what we need to 1678 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,960 supply. It's not the demand lowers 1679 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,480 greatly come October through through 1680 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:11,440 about May, end of April. So we feel like 1681 01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:17,520 that provides us some redundancy to for delivery of water. 1682 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:23,270 If you go to the next slide. 1683 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,800 So this kind of show is a map of of Pine 1684 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,120 View and as you guys are all aware and 1685 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,800 so again you can see where Pine View 1686 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,080 Reservoir spilled. Now, the the line 1687 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,719 green is essentially if we look at where 1688 01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:40,080 the reservoir was in 2021, 1689 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:44,159 that's that's where this was. Now, that 1690 01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,640 being said, we we felt fairly confident 1691 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,440 that it might not be exactly at the same 1692 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,840 elevation, but it was going to get very 1693 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,120 close. Again, this was the the lowest 1694 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,600 snow pack year we've had on record by 1695 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,320 actually quite a long ways. And so there 1696 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,679 might have been a little more water 1697 01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:04,800 going into the reservoir this year or 1698 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,400 being held in the reservoir this year 1699 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,239 than there was in in 2021, but we felt 1700 01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:14,000 we feel fairly confident that it it was 1701 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,320 going to be close to this, maybe even a little less than this. Where we 1702 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,480 need the reservoir to be to do our 1703 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:23,520 pipeline is the the blue color. And so 1704 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,080 it's roughly the difference of about was 1705 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:33,199 going to be about 15 feet. And so with that being so close, we felt that 1706 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,880 if we utilized the the low water level 1707 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,760 this year to get in, do our work, and 1708 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,000 get out of there so that the reservoir 1709 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,159 could start to refill by January 1st. 1710 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:48,640 And if you look at the the capacity of 1711 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,080 the reservoir, it's about 110,000 acre 1712 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,280 feet. Now, a normal snow pack that feeds 1713 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,080 into Pine View on a normal snow year 1714 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,400 will put in about a just under that 1715 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,159 about 109,000 acre feet. And so, what we 1716 01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:07,120 didn't want to do is miss out on the 1717 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,960 where the mother nature was naturally 1718 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,400 going to have the reservoir lowered 1719 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,239 anyways of and affecting those lower 1720 01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,960 levels, then have a good snow year. And 1721 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,080 again, we don't know if it's going to be 1722 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,480 a good snow year or not. Nobody does. 1723 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,159 But 1724 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:25,120 we we do feel like if that happened, 1725 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,960 there wouldn't be an appetite or people 1726 01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,840 would be very frustrated that we didn't 1727 01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,640 utilize the the lower elevation of the 1728 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,199 reservoir to do this work. And so that's 1729 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,760 why we we've looked to to move forward 1730 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,239 this year. 1731 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,320 Um yeah, do you want to go to the next 1732 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:43,679 slide? I think this is the last slide 1733 01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:47,360 coming up. Yeah. So, we have again a lot 1734 01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,640 of questions on this pipeline and there are a lot of questions that people 1735 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,280 have and so this is uh you can go to 1736 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,000 agnc city pipeline.com 1737 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,640 um you can email info aug city pipeline 1738 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,840 scan that QR code or call but that if 1739 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,320 you go to the the website there are a 1740 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,159 lot of questions listed on there with 1741 01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:10,480 answers of of why the project you know 1742 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,040 why now um what we're trying to 1743 01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:14,960 accomplish essentially the information 1744 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040 I've gone over and and any other 1745 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:20,000 question that people have raised. So, 1746 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,239 and with that, I'm happy to answer any 1747 01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,990 questions. 1748 01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,080 » Any questions from members of the 1749 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,040 council? 1750 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,000 >> So, I have a question. What's the expect 1751 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,480 what's the expected 1752 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,120 >> the life expectancy of the new pipeline? 1753 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,760 When when would this happen again? 1754 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,440 >> Yeah, that that is a great question. And 1755 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:45,679 so we we're using an HDPE pipe both on a 1756 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,000 new pipe and as a liner. Now we've overs 1757 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,600 we're going to oversize the new pipe 1758 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,600 that we're putting in. And the reason 1759 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,840 why we're going to do that is so in the 1760 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:57,120 future having this redundancy built in 1761 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,159 if it's needed. And again, this HDP pipe 1762 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:03,360 I expect to last hundreds of years. Um 1763 01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,840 but we can slip line that new pipe. 1764 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,040 We're going to put it in in a way that 1765 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,960 we can pull a new HDP line in using that 1766 01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,719 as as essentially a casing. And the the 1767 01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,960 older pipe, um, it's an older steel 1768 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,719 pipe. And again, we're going to get our 1769 01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:21,360 eyes on that here pretty soon. And the 1770 01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,920 idea would be is because now we have 1771 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,000 some redundancy and and being able to do 1772 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,719 work in the in the wintertime and be 1773 01:15:28,719 --> 01:15:31,120 able to feed the the flow that we need, 1774 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,159 the volume of water, that that would 1775 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,080 allow for that. and and the new that 1776 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,000 pipe. We we are going to do it in a way 1777 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,320 that the existing host pipe that we're 1778 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:42,480 going to line essentially would like to 1779 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:44,640 be able to just pull that line if it 1780 01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,800 ever needs to be pull the old line out 1781 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,199 and pull a new line in at the same time. 1782 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:52,640 So the idea would be is because we don't 1783 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,000 want to we don't want to be in the 1784 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,239 reservoir. We we don't want to lower the 1785 01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,800 reservoir. We we understand how great 1786 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,239 the reservoir is and providing 1787 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,159 irrigation water and the benefits it is 1788 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,640 for everybody. But when this was done in 1789 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,800 1970, not all those considerations were 1790 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,840 made. And so the idea would be is it 1791 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:18,229 would last a long long time. 1792 01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,120 » Any other questions for Justin? 1793 01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,719 >> This is Zach. Thanks so much, Justin, 1794 01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,000 for the overview. I have a question. 1795 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,239 What What was the initial when this 1796 01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:27,520 project was planned, as you mentioned, 1797 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,280 it's been in in process for several 1798 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,080 years. was was lowering the reservoir 1799 01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,760 level to access the pipe. Was that 1800 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,159 always the plan? 1801 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,320 >> Um, so we actually went through an 1802 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,560 evaluation process that we looked at 1803 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,199 seven different options to do this and 1804 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:44,560 so and there there's been a lot of 1805 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,040 questions on that and so and I can go 1806 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,280 through that. One is why don't you just 1807 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,199 slip line the existing pipe? Well, 1808 01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,840 there's a couple reasons. One, if we did 1809 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,360 that, we would have to shut down the 1810 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,440 pipe and so we would lose our feed. two 1811 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:04,000 is we we need at least a 36 inch ID to 1812 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,679 be able to provide the volume of water 1813 01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,000 that we need for essentially the summer 1814 01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,320 months. And so from a constructibility 1815 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,280 standpoint, that was rolled out. We 1816 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,000 looked at rerouting the pipeline all the 1817 01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,280 way around the north end of the 1818 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:20,880 reservoir. Um the cost of rerouting that 1819 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,360 was almost the cost of doing this entire 1820 01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,840 pipeline project from the wellfield all 1821 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,080 the way down to the mouth of the canyon. 1822 01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,520 It was going to be around $75 million 1823 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,360 plus ongoing maintenance and adding 1824 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,760 that. And so that just the high cost 1825 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,719 that's not uh anything it made the 1826 01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,640 affordability of the project into our 1827 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,320 rate payers unfeasible. Um we also 1828 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,920 looked at horizontal directional 1829 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,000 drilling in in two different ways. one 1830 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,320 to just drill with the the reservoir 1831 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,920 full and also if we were to drain the 1832 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,480 reservoir down. The issue that we ran 1833 01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,800 into with the the horizontal directional 1834 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,520 drilling is the depth that they would 1835 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,239 want to drill this new pipeline in. It 1836 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:04,880 was at a depth that we felt would 1837 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,560 compromise our wellfield and we you know 1838 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:10,400 for that compromise of wellfield it 1839 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,719 would essentially there's no reason to 1840 01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:20,480 be even doing the project. Um, and so we we ruled both of those out. Um, we 1841 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,560 also looked at lowering the reservoir to 1842 01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,600 a certain elevation and using a barge, 1843 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,400 like a mounted barge. Uh, the the 1844 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,880 problem with that, again, that was 1845 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,679 probably not quite triple the cost, but 1846 01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:36,640 it was more than doubled. And the the 1847 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,600 problem with the barge is we couldn't 1848 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,159 control the construction schedule. 1849 01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,560 essentially it was going to extend the 1850 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,080 project out for a lot longer month-wise. 1851 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,840 Uh there's a lot of environmental 1852 01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,800 impacts that could mess up with of how 1853 01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,440 of doing that work. And so instead of 1854 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,760 being done in relatively, you know, say 1855 01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,560 three months, it could be six months or 1856 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,880 eight months. The contractor couldn't 1857 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,840 verify and give us a a date certain on 1858 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,320 that. And so that the reservoir would 1859 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,199 have to be held down at a lower level. 1860 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,120 Anyways, now it wouldn't be as low as 1861 01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,280 where we're going to be, but it would, 1862 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,280 you know, it might have been close to 1863 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:22,560 where 2021 elevation level was. And so, 1864 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,960 we felt like not knowing the snow pack 1865 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,280 or if we get a lot of water, then it 1866 01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,440 would it could impact us in a way that 1867 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:31,600 we couldn't handle the the construction 1868 01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,600 schedule. Um the other another one that 1869 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,920 we looked at was a temporary coffer dam 1870 01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,360 construction. Essentially building a a 1871 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:45,280 dam at about 15 feet high and that was 1872 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,280 going to more than double the 1873 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,920 construction of the project. And so 1874 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,600 there was some li limits with uh again 1875 01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,120 stability and pumping and and added some 1876 01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,520 complexity that again we couldn't 1877 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,080 determine and and felt certain that we 1878 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,640 could get across the reservoir in the 1879 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:11,270 time that we needed to. 1880 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,719 » Thank you. Appreciate that. 1881 01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,360 >> Yeah. 1882 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,669 to see Craig. 1883 01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:21,679 » Craig Walker. 1884 01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:23,040 >> Hey, Justin. How are you? 1885 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,880 >> Good. Craig, good to see you again. 1886 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,600 >> Good seeing you. Hey, um I just wanted 1887 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,920 to know, you know, George alluded to 1888 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,280 lifespan from a structural standpoint. 1889 01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,920 From a per capita consumption 1890 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,080 standpoint, with the anticipated growth 1891 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,480 in Ogden, what do you see as the 1892 01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:42,719 lifespan of this transmission line with 1893 01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:44,560 the added capacity of, you know, being 1894 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,719 able to potentially use both lines 1895 01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:48,719 simultaneously? Are you accommodating 1896 01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:52,560 that growth? So what we are limited by 1897 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,040 the rights that we have to the wealth 1898 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,440 field and so we we have a cap on only 1899 01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,960 being able to pump I want to say 22 and 1900 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,960 a half MGD 1901 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,880 um with with the way the water rights 1902 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,320 were structured and this goes all the 1903 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,440 way back to the Ogden River decree um 1904 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,360 and and with our right and our water 1905 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,120 right in the decree is actually water 1906 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,560 right zero so there's no nobody lower 1907 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,600 than us but we also have um it depends 1908 01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:21,760 on some exchanges through Wheeler Creek 1909 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,239 through warm and and cold springs that 1910 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:27,040 we also exchange. So we have looked at 1911 01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,080 that and we have with with the rights 1912 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:32,239 that we have we have maximized those 1913 01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:34,800 rights. 1914 01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,280 >> So what are you going to do when you top 1915 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,719 out 110,000 folks and and not sitting as 1916 01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:42,640 forecasted in 2050? 1917 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,760 >> So we have enough water rights with our 1918 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,320 well field and we have other wells down 1919 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,800 here. We have also purchased contracts 1920 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,120 through Weaver Basin so that we can 1921 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,679 fulfill that and we've actually master 1922 01:21:55,679 --> 01:21:58,800 planned to get us past 2060 and still 1923 01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,199 have capacity. Now, one of the one of 1924 01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,199 the great things and and I'll get this 1925 01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:07,760 plug in is is the conservation. Um we 1926 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,239 have been aggressing Ogden city has 1927 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,239 aggressively been doing pipeline 1928 01:22:12,239 --> 01:22:15,679 replacement projects for almost 20 years 1929 01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,400 and what we have found is by replacing 1930 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:23,120 these old lines we are eliminating our 1931 01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,120 conveyance losses and with the 1932 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,760 elimination of those conveyance losses 1933 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,679 we continue to find more water so that 1934 01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,440 we can provide. So, if you go back to 1935 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,159 our master plan from 20 years ago, we 1936 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:37,840 actually weren't going to be able to to 1937 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,400 meet the demand in60, but by the 1938 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,120 elimination of these losses, we're we're 1939 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,159 actually producing right now less water 1940 01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:49,199 than what we did in 2008, believe it or 1941 01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:55,189 not. And that's with expanded growth. 1942 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:58,400 We're getting close to uh time limit for 1943 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,239 this agenda item, but uh Chris Penny, 1944 01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:05,679 did you have uh a couple of comments to 1945 01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:10,400 add to this about impacts and um 1946 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,600 the division's perspective? 1947 01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:19,910 Can you summarize really quickly or 1948 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,440 » I'll I'll do what I can with this being 1949 01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,679 a boating advisory one and keep it brief 1950 01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:25,440 on the fishery part. But uh we were 1951 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,199 consulted quite a bit about this as 1952 01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,920 things moved uh especially this spring 1953 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:31,679 and we had been talking with Ogden City 1954 01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:33,679 even uh last year to kind of wrap our 1955 01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:36,000 heads around what might be going on. Um 1956 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,040 like Justin said in 2027 was when we 1957 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,120 expected it. But as far as the fishery 1958 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,120 goes, Pine View is resilient. it's used 1959 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,080 to um big draw downs on the order of 15 1960 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:51,120 to 30 vertical feet. Um as he showed in one of the pictures like we've seen 1961 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,199 water blow before even just in the past 1962 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:56,000 decade with 2021. Uh the water got even 1963 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,000 lower in 1992 when they did repairs to 1964 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,320 the dam. And so we we do expect some of 1965 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,239 the quality of the fishery to go down, 1966 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,280 but we don't expect visible dead fish. 1967 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,360 Uh we do expect some to perhaps go out 1968 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,880 the outlet works. Um, and then, uh, as 1969 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,560 people may have noted, we did put on an 1970 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,560 emergency regulation for the fish, 1971 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,800 allowing more harvest of a lot of the 1972 01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,280 pan fish, some more of the bass, and 1973 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,600 then even up to one tiger musky over 40 1974 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,520 in. And the reason for that wasn't 1975 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,960 because we think the fishery is doomed 1976 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,440 or if we've given up on it, but rather 1977 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,360 as the water comes down to these low 1978 01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:30,719 draw down levels that we're going to get 1979 01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:32,159 to, it's going to warm up. Fish are 1980 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,000 going to be concentrated. And so we want 1981 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,280 to give people the opportunity to help 1982 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,880 thin them out because when you thin them 1983 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,639 out and keep them from getting too dense 1984 01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:40,320 in there, especially in that warm water, 1985 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:41,679 that's going to do them better as a 1986 01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:44,480 population goes. Um, as far as fishery 1987 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,239 rebound, we expect to kind of be back to 1988 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:48,080 where we were at on the order of about 5 1989 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,480 to 10 years for most species. A lot of 1990 01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:51,760 them five, some of them a little bit 1991 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,440 longer. So that's kind of a quick 1992 01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:56,470 synopsis. 1993 01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:59,520 U Justin 1994 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,840 uh or can you move back to the previous 1995 01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,000 slide with the 1996 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,120 uh different colors of the 1997 01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,000 So Justin on your slide here it says 1998 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,719 that construction level needs to be in 1999 01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,239 the blue 2000 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,560 >> and that construction pipeline 2001 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,920 installation begins October 1st 2002 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:24,239 but October 1st 2021 2003 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,440 uh into green. I mean, do do all of 2004 01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:32,560 these things actually jive uh with it's 2005 01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,719 I'm just wondering if there's some kind 2006 01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:39,040 of a gap here in terms of estimation of 2007 01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,520 water elevation accessibility. 2008 01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,400 >> Yeah. So, and just to clarify this, this 2009 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,320 was just to reference where it was in 2010 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,520 2021. Now what we have been working with 2011 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,440 is with the the other water suppliers 2012 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,360 like Weaver Basin, Ogden River Water 2013 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,760 Users Association and also the river 2014 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400 commissioner. And so with uh the 2015 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,280 authorities granted to us from the 1970 2016 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,159 agreement, Ogden City, even though we've 2017 01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,880 haven't had to use it before, has the 2018 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,800 ability with that agreement because it's 2019 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,960 affected our well field to be able to 2020 01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,800 draw the reservoir down to be able to do 2021 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,639 maintenance. And so the the water level 2022 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:18,560 is from what I understand with the river 2023 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,960 commissioner, they've been releasing on 2024 01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,320 average between 20 to 30 cfs 2025 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,400 uh additional for the last month or two. 2026 01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,000 I don't know exactly when they started 2027 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,679 those. And so what we expect is so by 2028 01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:37,760 this year right around September 15th 2029 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,960 that the we will have the elevation that 2030 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,360 we need again to not in start installing 2031 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,040 pipe because there's work that we've got 2032 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,120 to do and and part of the work we have 2033 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,120 to do is because we're leaving this at 2034 01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,600 the elevation we are is we have to build 2035 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,159 kind of and firm up being able to cross 2036 01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:56,080 the reservoir with equipment. So, we've 2037 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,480 scheduled in about two weeks of being 2038 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:02,880 able to to build a and stabilize a 2039 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,880 pathway for the construction equipment 2040 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:06,880 to get across there. The other thing 2041 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,520 that we have to do is we are going to 2042 01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:14,000 actually install two 12-in uh HDPE pipes 2043 01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,679 that then we're going to tie over our 2044 01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:18,480 wellfield to and reconnect on the other 2045 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,920 side so that we can even though it will 2046 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:29,280 stop service for a you know maybe a day and a half. Um, we are then going to 2047 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,840 be able to tie that over and and 2048 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,920 continue servicing through those those 2049 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,199 two parallel pipes that then will allow 2050 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:42,400 construction to be able to access and dig for the new pipe and also start 2051 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,639 repairs on the existing pipe. And so we 2052 01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:47,360 don't actually think, you know, we'll be 2053 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,440 able to get in there till about October 2054 01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:54,320 1st, but as soon as we're allowed to and and things, we we will start 2055 01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:56,320 working. 2056 01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,239 And so on the back end of this, your 2057 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:02,000 commitment is to be done with 2058 01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,440 construction by January or December 31st 2059 01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:08,159 and then start to refill. Do you 2060 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:09,679 anticipate 2061 01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:13,840 uh normal recreational access 2062 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,400 in the spring summer with normal 2063 01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,760 snowfall? Uh what's the projection for 2064 01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,800 recreational access after the project is 2065 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,199 finished? Yeah. So, after the project's 2066 01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,120 finished, again, our goal with the uh 2067 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,040 the date we've set with the contractors 2068 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,400 to be done by January 1st by by the 2069 01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,960 agreement that was done in 1970, we have 2070 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,760 until January 15th. Now, one of the 2071 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,040 things that we're trying to do is 2072 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,040 incentivize the contractor to actually 2073 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,360 be done much quicker. And so, we're 2074 01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:45,600 willing to pay uh an incentive to the 2075 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,719 contractor um every day that they finish 2076 01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:52,960 before January 1. And with that um the 2077 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,280 idea would be is that the reservoir then 2078 01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,000 can start refilling. Um that's going to 2079 01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,040 again depend on snow pack and and and 2080 01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,040 water that gets discharged into the 2081 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,800 reservoir. But on a normal snowpack 2082 01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,679 year, you will see the reservoir filling 2083 01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:10,560 up fast. 2084 01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,760 >> So is there a target date for access at 2085 01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,320 Anderson Cove and Cemetery Point once 2086 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,040 the project is completed? that that's a 2087 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,560 question that I probably need like the river commissioner to be able to 2088 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,199 answer and I'm not sure of the 2089 01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,520 commitments that he has, but it really 2090 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,480 depends on spring runoff. The you know, 2091 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:33,600 if it comes early, it it'll help. If it 2092 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,679 comes later, it it'll delay being able 2093 01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:38,639 to get into Anderson Cove. 2094 01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:40,719 But I can tell you this that we are 2095 01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,159 working with the Forest Service to be 2096 01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:46,880 able to get port ramp done and and so 2097 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,040 that can can open up. And again, that's 2098 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,800 a Forest Service project and I don't 2099 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,400 know exactly when they're going to have 2100 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,080 the other portions that they're working 2101 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,040 on done, but the ramp itself is 2102 01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,719 anticipated to be done by January all 2103 01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:01,920 the way down. 2104 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,000 >> So, so and maybe just a followup there. 2105 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,719 I appreciate that insight. For portra 2106 01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,239 there initially there was my 2107 01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,600 understanding was there was no work to 2108 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,239 be done on the ramp itself. Is that now 2109 01:30:12,239 --> 01:30:13,920 in scope? Is that kind of what you're 2110 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:14,880 referring to? 2111 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:15,760 >> Yes. 2112 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,159 >> Okay. Appreciate that. 2113 01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:19,760 >> That ramp needs work. 2114 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,440 >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I've heard 2115 01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,360 from many voters about the frustration 2116 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:24,960 initially that the ramp itself was not 2117 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,520 in the scope of the rebuild. So, good to 2118 01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,040 hear. Thank you. 2119 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,120 >> And it's the same contractor that's 2120 01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:32,639 doing the pipeline that's going to do 2121 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:35,920 that project. So that's an efficiency 2122 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,679 that was arranged with this. 2123 01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:42,400 >> Are there further questions from 2124 01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,080 anybody? 2125 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,560 Uh, you know, we we really appreciate 2126 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:47,120 your 2127 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:48,560 >> I don't really have a question. I just 2128 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,800 wanted to commend Ogden, I guess, a 2129 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,840 little bit in that they bumped this 2130 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,679 project up because they saw that we had 2131 01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:57,280 low snow pack. I think there's a lot of 2132 01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,800 anglers and voters that are probably a 2133 01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,719 little upset that this has to happen, 2134 01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:02,639 but understand that this is a kind of a 2135 01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:04,080 necessary. I mean, I don't drink water 2136 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,199 out of Ogden very often, but if I did, I 2137 01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:08,800 uh I totally would understand this. And 2138 01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:10,480 I think uh I think the fisherman and 2139 01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,239 voters, I think we're going to be just 2140 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:14,320 fine. And then the port ramp, we viewed 2141 01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,639 it with Chris a month or so ago, and 2142 01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:18,400 boy, that thing looks I wouldn't launch 2143 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:19,679 a boat on it right now, especially on 2144 01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,920 that south end of it. But so it's it's 2145 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:23,840 good to see that the that that's part of 2146 01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,520 the project. So I think that's a good 2147 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:26,880 thing. I mean, not a good thing, but 2148 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,239 it's a necessary thing, but it's a good 2149 01:31:28,239 --> 01:31:29,679 thing that they bumped it up. So, I 2150 01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:32,560 commend Agn City for stepping up and and 2151 01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,679 bumping this project up a year. 2152 01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:38,159 >> Thank you. It's been a lot of work and I 2153 01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,719 know a lot of coordination that kind of 2154 01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:43,920 came hard and fast at people, but it it 2155 01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:45,679 would I think it would be a tragedy to 2156 01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:48,880 have a the reservoir low this year and 2157 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,880 then have a good winter and then come 2158 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,560 back and say, "Well, we've got to lower 2159 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,360 it again this year." And so, um, we're 2160 01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,440 trying to take advantage of what mother 2161 01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:00,080 nature, um, didn't give us this last 2162 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,400 year, I guess. 2163 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:06,239 >> Det, you know, some concerns about the 2164 01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:09,120 information about this project. Do do 2165 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:16,470 you have any more questions for Justin? 2166 01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:18,560 » No, I I appreciate that. I think my 2167 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,120 concerns revolved around just the timing 2168 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,000 of the information as far as uh how much 2169 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,679 notice was given to the public. But I 2170 01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:27,440 mean I understand there are some 2171 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:29,360 possible factors relating to that. So 2172 01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,840 but I appreciate the presentation. 2173 01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,440 >> Yeah, you're welcome. And and if there 2174 01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:35,199 is other questions again, you can go to 2175 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,760 the the website. Um there's numbers on 2176 01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,159 there to call or I'm I'm happy to field 2177 01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,320 any questions that might come along as 2178 01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:43,120 well. 2179 01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,360 >> So we we recognize that there's impacts 2180 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,320 to people. Um, we also feel the burden 2181 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,040 of providing drinking water to the 2182 01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,880 amount of people that we provide to. And 2183 01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,280 so it's trying to balance all those out. 2184 01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,159 I'm I'm a I'm a boater. I'm a fisherman. 2185 01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:00,159 And so I' I've been up I love Pine View 2186 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,239 Reservoir. I've grown up fishing that my 2187 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:05,679 entire life. And so um it it's difficult 2188 01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:08,800 to to need to do this project. But I 2189 01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,120 also understand the need and bear the 2190 01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:15,199 burden of if that pipe was to fail of 2191 01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:19,600 what that would do to the public. 2192 01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,760 >> I I don't think we heard from Dwit, 2193 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,840 right? 2194 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,080 >> Yeah. Um, it's really unfortunate timing 2195 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,400 with the Great Salt Lake Marina 2196 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,600 essentially being shut down, with Lynen 2197 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,440 Harbor being closed at Utah Lake uh, and 2198 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:41,199 being sold off um, and and a rebuild 2199 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:44,400 eventually, but uh, closed to after the 2200 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,000 end of this month to any use by sailors. 2201 01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,679 And then you have Pine View. Few sailors 2202 01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:54,880 there. uh they were disappointed. So all 2203 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,000 in all, it was a just a a junk position 2204 01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,120 of of all of the lowwater 2205 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:06,080 marinas that we use a lot. Um, 2206 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,920 so but I I also I I join with Adam in 2207 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,320 commending Ogden City for taking 2208 01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,440 advantage of this lower uh water level 2209 01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:19,199 at this point and um going ahead and 2210 01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:22,239 moving forward with that project to 2211 01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:25,199 solve what would have been a a major 2212 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:28,400 problem had it uh had that pipeline 2213 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,920 ruptured or some other catastrophic uh 2214 01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,719 event happened. So congratulations 2215 01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,320 Justin. Thank you. 2216 01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,719 >> Thank thank you D. I appreciate that and 2217 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:40,639 I appreciate the opportunity to come and 2218 01:34:40,639 --> 01:34:43,120 talk to everybody. 2219 01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:44,880 >> Greg, you had another comment and then 2220 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,040 we'll have to wrap it up. 2221 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,440 >> Yeah, just you know reservoirs their 2222 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:51,120 primary purpose when they were developed 2223 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,000 had nothing to do with recreation. Um it 2224 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,239 happens to be you know something that we 2225 01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:59,199 enjoy as a benefit of having them in 2226 01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:00,480 Utah. 2227 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,920 um they are a living living breathing 2228 01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:09,040 component of our communities. Um but 2229 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,639 their primary purpose is something other 2230 01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:12,719 than recreation. I think we need to be 2231 01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:15,840 cognizant of that but take advantage of 2232 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,719 situations similar to what we've done 2233 01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:21,840 here when you've when you're forced to 2234 01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,600 draw something down or something is 2235 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,880 drawn down or repairs or due to drought 2236 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,120 or whatever it is. take advantage of 2237 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:32,080 those opportunities and make boat ramp 2238 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,360 improvements, install reservoir habitat, 2239 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,360 redo your buoy lines, do all of the 2240 01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,120 maintenance that you need to do so it's 2241 01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:40,880 one-stop shopping so we don't have to 2242 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,360 continually do this. Um, and I think 2243 01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:45,920 that, you know, we're looking forward to 2244 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,719 the winter and hopefully are able to 2245 01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:50,480 negotiate a settlement with the US 2246 01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:52,880 Forest Service to be able to go in and 2247 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:55,199 do some reservoir habitat improvements 2248 01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:58,960 at this water body. Um, again, making 2249 01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,600 lemonade out of lemons potentially uh 2250 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,760 here and improving fish habitat and 2251 01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,679 improving the resiliency of the fish 2252 01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:08,080 populations uh for future angling 2253 01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,560 opportunities. So, uh again, commend 2254 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,719 Justin for his efforts to integrate some 2255 01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:14,800 of those recreational improvements. 2256 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,159 Moving forward, I would like to see us 2257 01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,800 uh Ogden City, the Division of Wildlife 2258 01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,040 Resources, Forest Service, the 2259 01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,920 irrigation company uh come together and 2260 01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,679 start looking at um what we undertake 2261 01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,600 during these regularly scheduled 2262 01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,760 maintenance opportunities moving 2263 01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,760 forward. again outside of probably all 2264 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,760 of our careers, but the next time this 2265 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,480 happens, be able to quickly and nimly 2266 01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:43,360 frontload uh the plans for all of the 2267 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:44,639 improvements and maintenance that we 2268 01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:47,280 need to do below the high water. 2269 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,440 >> That that's a great comment, Craig, and 2270 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:52,159 I I agree and I commend the the work 2271 01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,639 that you and I work more with Chris on 2272 01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:56,800 this, but you know, getting an agreement 2273 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,440 in front of us of Ogden City of what we 2274 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,679 can do to partner and also help the fish 2275 01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:04,000 habitat. And so we're looking at that 2276 01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,800 and I I I just want to commend everybody 2277 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:10,239 who's worked on that as well. 2278 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:12,400 >> Great. Well, thank you Justin. If if 2279 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:16,000 there was one critique I would add that 2280 01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,080 you know some elements of our voting 2281 01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,639 community which is statewide were not 2282 01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:23,040 well informed about this. and I spoke 2283 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:27,199 with your public outreach uh liaison at 2284 01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:30,239 Sunrise Engineering and he had no idea 2285 01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:34,560 about us as a statewide entity where we 2286 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,400 can help get the word out to the voting 2287 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,880 community. So I would say that in you 2288 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:40,320 know when there's another project of 2289 01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,639 this nature uh there needs to be maybe 2290 01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:45,520 some more broader thinking about how to 2291 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,719 do your outreach and how to uh get 2292 01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:51,920 people on board and warned but also 2293 01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,840 maybe on the followup at the end of the 2294 01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,119 project when the project is done and the 2295 01:37:57,119 --> 01:37:59,600 reservoir fills up when these voting 2296 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,920 access points will be open. I think that 2297 01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,840 we could certainly use some help on that 2298 01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,760 and get the word out to 2299 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,080 >> that that that's a great comment and so 2300 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,639 thank you and again I apologize if 2301 01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:12,639 anybody felt left out. That was not the 2302 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:15,440 intention. Um it's just trying to juggle 2303 01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:17,760 and again it kind of shoved this forward 2304 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,800 almost an entire year on us. Um, and so 2305 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,960 we were trying to go as fast as we can. 2306 01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,400 And so I I apologize for if there, you 2307 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,119 know, not getting the communication out 2308 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:32,080 to everybody. 2309 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,840 >> We're glad to have you here for this and 2310 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,600 this is a great presentation. I think it 2311 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,840 helped people clarify the project and 2312 01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,639 understand uh the timeline. So thank 2313 01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:41,199 you. 2314 01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:42,320 >> Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you 2315 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:44,159 everybody. It's it's a pleasure to see 2316 01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:45,920 some of you again and to meet others for 2317 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,480 the first time. 2318 01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:52,239 >> Great. Okay. So, now um our agenda, 2319 01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:57,920 we're getting close on time. Uh Jorge, 2320 01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:00,239 can you well how much time are you going 2321 01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:03,920 to need for your uh part of the agenda? 2322 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,239 >> Um I think me and Craig can be pretty 2323 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:09,760 quick. That being said, I mean, 2324 01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:12,639 we'll be cutting it pretty close. So, 2325 01:39:12,639 --> 01:39:14,080 >> but we're I mean, we've already been 2326 01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:14,880 kind of 2327 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,719 >> primed for this, right? So, we know 2328 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:19,119 what's coming. to adjust other items to 2329 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:22,400 different meeting dates. 2330 01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,320 >> I think we should, you know, give you as 2331 01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,440 much time as you need. Um, and Kent, you 2332 01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:29,199 know, I can see that you're still with 2333 01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:30,719 us. We'll we'll make sure that you have 2334 01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:37,510 time for your public comments. So, don't go away, Kent. 2335 01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:42,870 » Let me share my screen here. 2336 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,199 And as I'm working on on sharing the 2337 01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:47,360 screen, um I guess just kind of give 2338 01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,280 quick background on to again just the 2339 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:50,960 Utah Voting Recreation Grant and then 2340 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,719 the Voting Access Grant. And then Craig, 2341 01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:55,520 please feel free to add anything in 2342 01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,920 addition to this as I get this um 2343 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,080 shared. But really what we're really 2344 01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,320 looking to do here is just to kind of 2345 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,360 figure out the best way possible to, you 2346 01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,280 know, utilize 2347 01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,040 all the funding resources that we have 2348 01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,400 available to again just best benefit um 2349 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,280 Utah and just voters. Um let me make 2350 01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,000 sure folks can see that. All right. Um 2351 01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,320 again, we're just looking to to to 2352 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,159 coordinate together in terms of both of 2353 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,000 those programs with, you know, voting 2354 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,239 access as well as the state the state 2355 01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,320 grant. I mean, it's a unique situation 2356 01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:30,000 considering the fact that voting access 2357 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,960 is a federal federal program and don't 2358 01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,119 necessarily have as much authority with 2359 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:37,600 that one. Um, that being said, I think 2360 01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,920 that there's opportunities to try and 2361 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:41,760 see how we can best utilize like maybe 2362 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,840 matches and and and go from there and 2363 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,199 just kind of streamline the process for 2364 01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:50,320 um the application process and just 2365 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,840 making it less uh making it 2366 01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,320 non-redundant for folks. Anything else 2367 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,600 you want to add on to that, Craig? 2368 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,679 >> No, I I think you know we we've been 2369 01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:03,280 talking about this for about three 2370 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,360 years. Integrating the two makes perfect 2371 01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:08,560 sense. Um coming up with similar 2372 01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,880 standards where possible makes perfect 2373 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,639 sense. And I think that's what we're 2374 01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:14,400 trying to showcase today is how we bring 2375 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:18,800 those two together into one uh one grant 2376 01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,360 effort. Uh which hopefully you'll see at 2377 01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:26,320 the end of this this period. 2378 01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:27,360 » [snorts] 2379 01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,440 >> And then did you want to start us off 2380 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:33,360 here, Craig, with eligibility? 2381 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,199 >> Sure. So, uh, for those of you that 2382 01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:36,960 don't know, uh, the boating access grant 2383 01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,119 is run by the fish and wildlife service. 2384 01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:42,159 Uh, and we are the division of wildlife 2385 01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:43,920 resources are considered to be the 2386 01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,000 recipient uh, of that money. We then uh, 2387 01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,040 seek out subreients which are the 2388 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,280 project proponents uh, throughout the 2389 01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,760 year. Uh those proponents then have the 2390 01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,400 uh opportunity to put in for a variety 2391 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,360 of boating access improvements across 2392 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,679 the state including launching and 2393 01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:05,760 docking which uh includes ramps and 2394 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,320 peers, construction, replacement, 2395 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:09,840 maintenance, 2396 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,320 uh breakwaters and bulkheads, building 2397 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,480 structures to protect boat ramps and 2398 01:42:14,480 --> 01:42:16,719 docks from wave action. You all have 2399 01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:19,119 funded a couple of those uh during your 2400 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:21,920 tenure on the boating advisory council. 2401 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,920 um site access and property uh acquiring 2402 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:28,320 land rights not something we often do. 2403 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,560 Uh easements not something we often do, 2404 01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,960 but it is a tool in the toolkit that the 2405 01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,440 Fish and Wildlife Service affords us as 2406 01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:37,760 a recipient to potentially improve 2407 01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,560 boating access in the state of Utah. Uh 2408 01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,040 it is probably more important in states 2409 01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:44,880 where there's a great great deal more 2410 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,840 private land uh similar to states back 2411 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,840 east. Um water rights. Similarly, uh we 2412 01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,360 have the ability to purchase water 2413 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,119 rights through the Fish and Wildlife 2414 01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:57,280 Service grant. Not something we often 2415 01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,920 do. Um water rights and reservoirs is 2416 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,159 tricky. Uh when you purchase water 2417 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:03,760 rights, oftentimes you're purchasing the 2418 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,960 rights at the lower portion of the pool 2419 01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,119 or dead pool and that doesn't 2420 01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:10,719 necessarily afford you a lot of voting 2421 01:43:10,719 --> 01:43:12,880 access, which is why it isn't a tool 2422 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,239 that we've used too often in the state. 2423 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:18,080 uh access roads and parking. We've 2424 01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,679 funded those through this council 2425 01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:23,760 before. Um facility amenities, uh 2426 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,440 restrooms, showers, fish cleaning 2427 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,600 stations. I think you've all seen the 2428 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,920 benefits of those across Utah uh at 2429 01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,960 boating venues at various waters. 2430 01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,440 Utilities safety, uh installing fuel 2431 01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:37,440 stations, security lighting, washdown 2432 01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:39,920 stations, those are all eligible under 2433 01:43:39,920 --> 01:43:42,639 the boating access grant. 2434 01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:46,709 Next slide, please. [snorts] 2435 01:43:46,719 --> 01:43:48,639 Uh, one thing that we worked on back in 2436 01:43:48,639 --> 01:43:51,760 2008 was incorporating invasive species 2437 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,159 eligibility into the grant. Uh, we work 2438 01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:55,840 with the Fish and Wildlife Service to 2439 01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,760 change the language and that grant now 2440 01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:01,920 therefore includes decontamination or 2441 01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,199 setting up of semi-permanmanent and 2442 01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:06,080 permanent boat decon systems. Uh, as 2443 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,400 well as interdiction stations and areas 2444 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,080 where we can strategically intercept 2445 01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:11,920 voters. 2446 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:13,920 Uh, additionally, we also have the 2447 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:15,119 ability to fund planning and 2448 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:18,000 engineering, um, design. 2449 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,040 Uh, we look at, uh, completing 2450 01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,880 environmental compliance procedures that 2451 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,440 can sometimes be complex, and obtaining 2452 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:27,440 any required permits, which is something 2453 01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:29,280 that during a later meeting this year, 2454 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,920 I'd like to talk with you about as far 2455 01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,080 as making that a requirement for our 2456 01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,040 grants when they are submitted. Uh, 2457 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,760 navigation, we have the ability to go in 2458 01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,920 dredge. Uh we have funded dredging in 2459 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:44,880 the past uh a couple of times. Um it's 2460 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:46,880 not something we engage in often because 2461 01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,159 as soon as you dredge something 2462 01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:51,280 oftentimes it fills in with sediment in 2463 01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:54,880 short order. So um but it is a way for 2464 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,320 us to maintain uh navigability of our 2465 01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,119 waterways. Uh and controlling nuisance 2466 01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:02,880 aquatic vegetation is something that we 2467 01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,400 funded just this past year with the 2468 01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,800 Eurasian water mil foil project. Uh that 2469 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,480 is an example of how we use that project 2470 01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:12,159 uh under the fish and wildlife service 2471 01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:14,800 grant. Navigational aids, installation 2472 01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:16,639 of buoy lines, channel markers, and 2473 01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,960 hazard signs. That's something that is 2474 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,560 definitely eligible and something that 2475 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,560 we would promote the use of as we move 2476 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,719 forward with trying to mitigate 2477 01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:26,800 conflicts on our water bodies and ensure 2478 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,600 people are uh adhering to uh 2479 01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,119 navigational 2480 01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:33,760 requirements on our water bodies. 2481 01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,400 Uh erosion control is also another thing 2482 01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,960 that we use through that grant to 2483 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,159 protect our navigability by stabilizing 2484 01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:43,760 the surrounding shorelines at our 2485 01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,000 reservoirs and preventing sedimentation 2486 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,840 and shallowing of votable areas. Next 2487 01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:51,679 slide. 2488 01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:54,560 I think it's on to you. Oh, nope. Got a 2489 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,320 little bit more. Uh operation and 2490 01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,000 maintenance. That is something that we 2491 01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,679 have funded and continue to fund at 2492 01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:02,400 places like Flaming Gorge where due to 2493 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,600 the breadth of the infrastructure we are 2494 01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:09,600 uh needing to supply our subreient or 2495 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,080 federal partners with additional money 2496 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,080 so that they can undertake the uh 2497 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:18,159 rigorous task of um or strenuous task of 2498 01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,360 actually doing that maintenance. The 2499 01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,360 day-to-day operation of boating access 2500 01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,560 sites is also eligible under this grant. 2501 01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,199 signage in the form of project signage 2502 01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,679 uh and funding signage 2503 01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:34,480 are definitely eligible as well as any 2504 01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:36,159 other signage related to voting 2505 01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:39,040 activities, safety, etc. are also 2506 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,760 eligible under this grant. The 2507 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,080 exclusions to this grant uh from a 2508 01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,080 federal standpoint are those things that 2509 01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,000 are eligible under two other grant 2510 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,400 programs that are overseen in the state 2511 01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,880 of Utah. One is the Clean Vessel Act and 2512 01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,400 I mentioned these as an aside because 2513 01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,320 we're not covering them today. But the 2514 01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,920 Clean Vessel Act is uh a program that is 2515 01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:03,040 overseen by Udor and the Boating 2516 01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:06,000 Infrastructure Grant is uh a tiered 2517 01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:07,360 grant system competitive and 2518 01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:09,920 non-competitive that is overseen by the 2519 01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:12,320 division of wildlife resources. We have 2520 01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,239 employed both of those in the state of 2521 01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,560 Utah boating infrastructure grant at 2522 01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,600 Flaming Gorge and uh it is eligible for 2523 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,920 use at two additional waters uh which 2524 01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,840 are interstate waters that's bare lake 2525 01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,400 and lake powell in the state of Utah and 2526 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:28,560 the clean vessel act has been employed 2527 01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,960 and continues to be employed regularly 2528 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,280 by udor at a wide array of waters where 2529 01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,679 we have water quality concerns and a 2530 01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:38,320 need to address 2531 01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:41,440 boat waste and I think that's my portion 2532 01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,440 of this. 2533 01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:45,840 >> Awesome. Perfect. Thanks, Craig. And 2534 01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,239 again, as as what we've kind of 2535 01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,159 mentioned before in previous advisory 2536 01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:52,560 council meetings, um it is really again 2537 01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:53,760 that you know, the Utah Voting 2538 01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,360 Recreation Grant is going to be that new 2539 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,480 state voting grant opportunity. Um we're 2540 01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:00,560 looking to launch that September 1st, 2541 01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,719 which is upcoming. Um again, a big 2542 01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:05,520 portion to that was how to make it work 2543 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,800 uh and collaborate better with the DWR 2544 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,719 and and voting access. And so that's why 2545 01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:12,239 we're showing the eligibility just to 2546 01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:15,040 kind of see what sections kind of 2547 01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:18,000 overlap and what sections don't. Um just 2548 01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,560 to give you a quick um idea of like 2549 01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,920 again these sections that are eligible 2550 01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,920 uh for the boating access or for the 2551 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,000 voting recreation grant again is just 2552 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,360 going to be your general boating 2553 01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,760 facilities. Um whether that's your boat 2554 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,920 ramps, uh public restrooms, um as well 2555 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,400 as the parking lots. Um, there's the 2556 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,719 shoreline protection piece to where 2557 01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:44,480 again it's just trying to prevent any 2558 01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:46,320 erosion that's being caused by Boers or 2559 01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,800 your vessel wave action. Um, the 2560 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:51,119 non-motorized access piece where again 2561 01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:54,320 it's trying to decongest the ramps um 2562 01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,880 and just increase overall safety for for 2563 01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:59,920 users um by again separating motorized 2564 01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:01,920 and non-motorized. It's what we've seen 2565 01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,239 a lot throughout Utah. Um and then 2566 01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:07,679 again, uh drought access mitigation. Uh 2567 01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:09,760 that's on there as well. It's just again 2568 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,679 our reservoirs were kind of designed 2569 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,080 with the overall intention that uh water 2570 01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:15,600 levels aren't going to get get that low, 2571 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,199 but we're they're getting that low. So 2572 01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:21,600 we're needing to again uh address that. 2573 01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,719 Um and then I think another thing to 2574 01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:25,920 kind of mention here that's really 2575 01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,480 important is is we've had our offer 2576 01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:30,800 recreation grant program. Um and this 2577 01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:36,880 has been modeled a after um after that grant program. Um and this is where 2578 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:42,800 this really I think unique piece um to this grant is is again just search 2579 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,560 and rescue um and more specifically 2580 01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,040 search and rescue equipment. Um so for 2581 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,960 instance we might see uh rescue boats um 2582 01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:52,880 anything that's kind of related to uh 2583 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:55,280 boating search and rescue. Um and we got 2584 01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,520 kind of a small tiny glimpse of that 2585 01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:00,080 just this last year. Um, but that's 2586 01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,159 going to be a really unique piece to 2587 01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,800 again the Utah Voting Recreation Grant. 2588 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:06,560 Um, taking a look at some of these 2589 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:10,080 eligibility pieces and and items. Um, 2590 01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,080 this next slide here is kind of showing 2591 01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,880 again what voting access is covering and 2592 01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:19,040 what voting access covers really solo. 2593 01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:21,600 Um, and then what Utah the Utah voting 2594 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,520 recreation grant covers again more so uh 2595 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,199 specifically in terms of like the 2596 01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:28,880 overall language and then the overall 2597 01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,119 shared scope between that with again 2598 01:50:31,119 --> 01:50:32,960 your boating infrastructure, the the 2599 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,360 ramps, parking lots, uh overall 2600 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:36,880 operation and maintenance of you know 2601 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,040 your boat boating access uh facilities 2602 01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:44,000 and amenities um the signage uh your 2603 01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,960 shoreline protection and erosion. again 2604 01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,600 when it comes to rip wrap um is the 2605 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,920 erosion control and buoys and then the 2606 01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,159 drought access mitigation again just 2607 01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:57,440 trying to adapt to the ever changing 2608 01:50:57,440 --> 01:50:59,840 water levels um anything else you want 2609 01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,520 to add to this Greg before I move on 2610 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,000 >> no I I think it's you know we we had a 2611 01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,440 difficult time separating the two 2612 01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:10,719 because there is so much overlap um and 2613 01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:12,880 I think that that is a strength of 2614 01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,880 integrating these two programs is it 2615 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:19,199 gives us the flexibility moving forward to work with the voting advisory 2616 01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:21,280 council to develop what is probably the 2617 01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,159 most robust funding package for the 2618 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:26,400 largest number of projects both 2619 01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:28,239 motorized and non-motorized throughout 2620 01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,239 the state of Utah moving forward. I 2621 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:31,600 think it's going to be a gamecher for 2622 01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:34,560 us. 2623 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,599 >> So quick question, why wouldn't both 2624 01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:39,440 grants allow for planning and 2625 01:51:39,440 --> 01:51:42,960 engineering costs? Because I mean both, 2626 01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,119 you know, if you have a project that's 2627 01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:46,639 for the recreation grant, you're still 2628 01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:48,080 going to have to do the design and 2629 01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:49,360 engineering, right? 2630 01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:50,719 >> It's a really great question. I mean, 2631 01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:53,040 that's kind of just what it's laid out 2632 01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,639 in in statute and that's, you know, it's 2633 01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:58,480 up to the state legislature from there. 2634 01:51:58,480 --> 01:51:58,639 So, 2635 01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:00,639 >> and search and rescue, would that also 2636 01:52:00,639 --> 01:52:03,040 cover training? So, 2637 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,719 >> this is specifying equipment. 2638 01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:07,520 >> Just equipment. 2639 01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:10,000 >> Yeah. Any other questions before 2640 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:14,400 >> uh Craig and Jorge, are the eligible 2641 01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:18,159 groups to request the funding, are they 2642 01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:24,149 the same in the two grants? 2643 01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:25,840 » Applicants, the eligibility for 2644 01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,280 applicants, are they the same? 2645 01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:28,400 >> So, that's a that's a really good 2646 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:29,520 question. So, no, they're not 2647 01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:34,159 necessarily the same. Um, so for the 2648 01:52:34,159 --> 01:52:36,239 voting grant, that's going to be your 2649 01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:39,679 state entities. um any municipality. So 2650 01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:41,520 your cities, counties, and then water 2651 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,760 conservancy districts. So nonprofits 2652 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,199 cannot apply to the Utah Voting 2653 01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:47,920 Recreation Grant and federal entities 2654 01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,360 cannot apply to that one as well. So 2655 01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,040 that's going to be a difference in this 2656 01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,159 as well, 2657 01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:54,159 >> but nonprofit 2658 01:52:54,159 --> 01:52:55,920 nonprofits could apply to the voting 2659 01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:56,880 access grant. 2660 01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:00,870 >> To voting access, yes. 2661 01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,320 » And usually do so on behalf of a state, 2662 01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:06,800 municipal, county, or federal partner. 2663 01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:10,159 um take uh 2664 01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:14,080 the uh friends of strawberry folks uh 2665 01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:16,159 applying on behalf of forest service in 2666 01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:19,119 the past. I I think that between the two 2667 01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:23,040 though we are able to cover any and all 2668 01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,239 uh comers as far as potential applicants 2669 01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:28,639 for voting access funds. 2670 01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:30,560 >> But a nonprofit could be a project 2671 01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,920 partner but not the applicant. 2672 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:35,360 Yeah. Yeah. 2673 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,840 >> So, a non forprofit can be a project 2674 01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:41,040 applicant. Um, but they also have to 2675 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,800 retain ownership of the materials, uh, 2676 01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,199 the installations, any of the things 2677 01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:50,880 funded through the federal funds. Um, 2678 01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:53,599 and that's where it gets a little wonky, 2679 01:53:53,599 --> 01:53:55,360 right? They sign on to a cooperative 2680 01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:58,639 agreement for the useful life of that 2681 01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:01,040 infrastructure. And when you're talking 2682 01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,920 about uh, private 2683 01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:07,520 um or not for profofit I should say. Uh 2684 01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,040 sometimes that's more difficult for them 2685 01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,390 to pallet. 2686 01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:22,310 » Did that answer your question? Duet. 2687 01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:24,560 » Okay. Any other questions before we kind 2688 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,760 of move on from this? 2689 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:31,280 Okay. Uh just again just the overall 2690 01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:32,960 process that we're kind of looking at 2691 01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,360 and obviously some things can can 2692 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,000 change. Um it just kind of depends on 2693 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,719 how we have to adapt to again grant 2694 01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:42,719 process. It's a living and breathing 2695 01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:45,119 thing. Um that being said, we're looking 2696 01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,119 to open September 1st for the actual 2697 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:50,159 grant application. Um October 16th is 2698 01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:52,639 when we're looking to close the grant. 2699 01:54:52,639 --> 01:54:55,280 Um late October we'll we'll be coming 2700 01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:58,159 together. uh Craig, Craig and I, Ty and 2701 01:54:58,159 --> 01:54:59,760 anybody else that needs to to be 2702 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,080 involved to kind of put together the 2703 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:03,840 applications into their respective 2704 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:05,440 folders and and make sure the 2705 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,760 eligibility fits within the actual 2706 01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:10,080 application. Um from there, we'll look 2707 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,639 into November and sending that those 2708 01:55:12,639 --> 01:55:16,719 various um options or recommended um 2709 01:55:16,719 --> 01:55:19,360 blocks of of potential funding just to 2710 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,639 kind of try and make the evaluation 2711 01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:23,920 process a little bit easier. um and 2712 01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:25,440 sending that out to the voting advisory 2713 01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,400 council from there. Uh sometime again in 2714 01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,880 November um trying to get this done 2715 01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,599 before the holidays. Um the voting 2716 01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:35,280 advisory council will be able to rank 2717 01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:39,360 projects and and essentially you know 2718 01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,880 make make those decisions to recommend 2719 01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,840 those funding allocations. Um and then 2720 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,560 in December we'll be looking to to 2721 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:53,440 notify um awards and then on awards 2722 01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:55,280 just as a general outline. 2723 01:55:55,280 --> 01:56:00,000 >> So the holiday season starts effectively 2724 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,440 just the week of Thanksgiving. So we're 2725 01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,280 looking at 2726 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:08,000 working backwards. 2727 01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:10,880 When do you suppose that you might be 2728 01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,440 able to give us the grant application 2729 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,920 information to start reviewing? Because 2730 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,239 we'll have to plan a meeting for early 2731 01:56:18,239 --> 01:56:21,840 to mid November, but not into the last 2732 01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:25,119 third of November. Ideally, as soon as 2733 01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:27,840 me and Craig are able to get um all 2734 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:32,239 everything um put put into their folders 2735 01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:33,840 and respective folders and and go 2736 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:37,520 through and and identify that um try and 2737 01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:40,880 get it. I would like to at least before 2738 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:42,800 November, 2739 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,800 but like I said, it just kind of depends 2740 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,119 on just overall how how things shake out 2741 01:56:47,119 --> 01:56:48,239 and what we get 2742 01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:49,520 >> does he put in there. I mean, really, 2743 01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,360 it's it's hitting it's hitting the end 2744 01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,920 of October. We will we will have it out 2745 01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:56,159 to you the best that we can [laughter] 2746 01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:58,000 in that aspect there because that we 2747 01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,639 wanna we want to leave that 2748 01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:02,560 >> it would be great to have a twoe period 2749 01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:04,639 for you you guys do do review 2750 01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:06,639 >> well we have to plan in our lives too 2751 01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:08,400 for that 2752 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,080 everybody's planning that in their 2753 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:10,719 lives. 2754 01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:13,520 >> Yeah. So this begs the question to the 2755 01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:15,840 council members looking at this rough 2756 01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:19,360 schedule. When would we want to plan 2757 01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:22,960 that meeting date or 2758 01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:28,159 whatever the date of November would be. 2759 01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:29,920 So we should start looking at calendars 2760 01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,960 I guess. So what do we have as options 2761 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:36,159 for if you can see a calendar? 2762 01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:40,000 Let me pull that up. 2763 01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,440 And we're actually going to be reviewing 2764 01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:45,040 three grants at the same time, right? 2765 01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:46,000 >> Yeah. 2766 01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,800 >> Clean Vessel Act as well as these two 2767 01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:51,199 grants, 2768 01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:53,599 which Clean Vessel Act is not too 2769 01:57:53,599 --> 01:57:58,629 difficult. 2770 01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:01,040 Now, will applicants be applying for 2771 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:02,880 both grants? 2772 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:05,199 >> That's that's where we you guys want to 2773 01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:06,960 cover that what we want to do. 2774 01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:11,360 >> Yeah. So that's that's essentially the idea in terms of making it less 2775 01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:13,199 redundant. It's just trying to have like 2776 01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:15,280 one application. That being said, if 2777 01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:16,080 they 2778 01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:16,719 >> check a box, 2779 01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:18,400 >> they check they're able to check check a 2780 01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:21,599 box on on you know whether they're 2781 01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:24,320 primarily interested in voting access or 2782 01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:26,800 voting grant or vote and if they're even 2783 01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,239 eligible for that. Obviously we go 2784 01:58:28,239 --> 01:58:30,400 through that. But um that's kind of the 2785 01:58:30,400 --> 01:58:32,159 idea. Again, just trying to make it less 2786 01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,400 redundant and making it easier for for 2787 01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:35,040 folks. 2788 01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:37,599 >> Okay. But at the end of the day, not 2789 01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:39,679 we're not going to be solely relying on 2790 01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:42,560 the applicant's understanding of what's 2791 01:58:42,560 --> 01:58:44,880 eligible for what, although we'll try to 2792 01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,880 give them insights. Um, we will be 2793 01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:52,400 looking at what can and can't be put 2794 01:58:52,400 --> 01:58:55,599 into one or the other bucket or both 2795 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:58,400 buckets. Uh and that's where that number 2796 01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,599 three recommendation comes to you based 2797 01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:03,360 upon our insights and our understanding 2798 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:05,119 of what's eligible and what's not for 2799 01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:08,159 the two programs. 2800 01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:10,080 >> So there's two parts to that. It sounds 2801 01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:13,760 like the applicant can say or apply for 2802 01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,880 both, but then there's the agency 2803 01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,639 review. 2804 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:20,080 You're going to be doing some sifting 2805 01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:26,229 and sorting also, right? 2806 01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,239 Yeah. I mean I mean again the big the 2807 01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:30,080 big thing here is is that not not 2808 01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:31,360 everything that's going to be again 2809 01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,199 eligible for for voting access is going 2810 01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:36,880 to be eligible for for the state grant 2811 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:39,040 and vice versa. So have to make sure 2812 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,040 that everything 2813 01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:43,679 makes sense for for y'all trying 2814 01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:45,119 >> and overall we're trying to make the 2815 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:49,679 biggest reach and the biggest bang for the money that we have across the 2816 01:59:49,679 --> 01:59:51,280 state. We want to make the biggest 2817 01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:52,159 impact 2818 01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:54,560 >> Yeah. two voters and have it in a in a 2819 01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:55,679 positive way. 2820 01:59:55,679 --> 01:59:56,960 >> Yeah. 2821 01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,280 >> I think we last cycle we did great, you 2822 01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:00,880 know, because we covered 2823 02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:02,800 >> really wide range of projects 2824 02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,800 >> and now this is even going to be more 2825 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:06,560 >> great. Oh, nice. 2826 02:00:06,560 --> 02:00:07,920 >> That's that's a cool thing. It's going 2827 02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:13,840 to be out of and we're going to tap out to not saying that the right 2828 02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,400 way. We're going to be able to to push 2829 02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:18,239 money out into the search and rescue 2830 02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:19,920 equipment where we've never been able to 2831 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:27,520 do that before with voting. So, this is going to have a broad impact in that piece. And I'm I'm really quite 2832 02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,040 excited to see what what's going to 2833 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:33,280 happen and how it's going to happen. Um, 2834 02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:34,880 >> I mentioned it earlier and I might as 2835 02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:36,239 well bring it up now. You know, one of 2836 02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:37,920 the things that we've struggled with 2837 02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:43,199 recently and in years before, um, we we 2838 02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:46,400 have projects that come in and are 2839 02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:49,920 design build, if you will. Uh, still 2840 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,719 requiring permitting to be obtained, 2841 02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:55,040 still requiring design to be 2842 02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:58,320 accomplished prior to actual 2843 02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:02,080 construction and ask for that in one 2844 02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,400 package. What we usually see is then 2845 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:07,440 that project length is for two or three 2846 02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,480 years because they weren't ready. Uh 2847 02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:12,400 what we're going to try to do is force 2848 02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:13,920 people to compartmentalize their 2849 02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:17,280 requests into design, 2850 02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,920 monitoring, and maintenance for 2851 02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,320 construction. And that allows us to 2852 02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:24,480 potentially move forward with 2853 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,080 construction projects that are shovel 2854 02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:27,920 ready and have them be implemented 2855 02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:31,360 within one fiscal year whereas forcing 2856 02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:34,159 others to actually undertake design 2857 02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:35,599 setting the stage for them to put 2858 02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:37,440 forward a quality proposal in a future 2859 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,000 year. 2860 02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:41,840 And are you including in that, Craig, 2861 02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:46,400 the uh the uh maintenance, the future 2862 02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:48,880 maintenance for like the sanitation, the 2863 02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,360 bathrooms, and we talked about this last 2864 02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,800 funding cycle with your boating app, 2865 02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,280 being able to figure out, you know, what 2866 02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,800 are the long range life expecties of 2867 02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:05,040 some uh boating assets and how does that 2868 02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:08,320 fit into this scheme of artalizing 2869 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:11,360 >> the the efforts that uh Patrick's been 2870 02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,320 undertaking with Jorge and Tai uh in the 2871 02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:18,320 outdoor recreation arena to create a new 2872 02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:21,840 database application process allows us 2873 02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:24,480 to carve out what is maintenance and 2874 02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:27,280 what is not. And when we get a feel for 2875 02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,199 what we need in the way of annual 2876 02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:31,760 maintenance, what we need to earmark in 2877 02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,840 the way of annual maintenance funds, 2878 02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,639 then we can say, okay, these projects 2879 02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:40,400 fit into this subset of both grants or 2880 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:42,800 this that or the other. Uh yeah, it 2881 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:46,639 gives us the ability to um ensure that 2882 02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:49,119 we are investing in the maintenance of 2883 02:02:49,119 --> 02:02:51,119 existing facilities 2884 02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:54,310 without 2885 02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:56,560 completing new projects at the expense 2886 02:02:56,560 --> 02:03:00,400 of maintenance needs. How about that? 2887 02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,639 >> Okay, maybe I didn't ask my question 2888 02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:05,199 correctly. As we t last funding cycle, 2889 02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:08,480 we talked about uh funding 2890 02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,320 capital infrastructure that has a 2891 02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,480 20-year horizon and and then the 2892 02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:15,040 database to keep track of that and then 2893 02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:17,040 prioritizing which ones are coming up 2894 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:17,520 next. 2895 02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,119 >> That's kind of what's what Craig was 2896 02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:20,320 talking about. We're going to get a 2897 02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:22,960 picture of where we're at and we're 2898 02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:25,440 trying to with with getting this picture 2899 02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,920 in this database. We're going to we're 2900 02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,719 going to look at do we have any severe 2901 02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,880 deferred maintenance issues with this 2902 02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:34,880 and do we need to take care of this to 2903 02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,760 where we can extend it further. Um and 2904 02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,760 as Craig talked about is instead of 2905 02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,320 building new new new new new but never 2906 02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:43,840 taking care of the existing 2907 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:45,360 infrastructure 2908 02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,159 that that's a bad that's a bad situation 2909 02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:49,840 where we're sitting at. We we just can't 2910 02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:52,880 build new new new new and not take care 2911 02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:54,480 of what we already have existing and 2912 02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,000 running. And so that's what we're 2913 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:58,239 looking at. we need to do a renovation 2914 02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:00,239 of of a particular, you know, 2915 02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:02,159 infrastructure site, whatever we need to 2916 02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:04,560 with that, then we'll look at that. And 2917 02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,639 we're also going to be soliciting out to 2918 02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:09,040 those to those entities and saying, 2919 02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:12,560 "Hey, you may want to apply for Xrant 2920 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,560 with this so we can get this bill, you 2921 02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:17,119 know, get this up to snuff for it to 2922 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:18,880 handle the public or we need to update 2923 02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:21,199 it for the particular uses that that 2924 02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:23,440 facility has evolved to." Well, I think 2925 02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:25,440 last cycle we were also looking at that 2926 02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:28,639 log jam potential where a lot of capital 2927 02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:31,040 projects would all expire at the same 2928 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,080 times, but creating that priority. You 2929 02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,000 guys get it this year, you guys get have 2930 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:37,599 to wait a year. 2931 02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:38,880 >> That's that's what we're trying to get 2932 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,639 away from is having everything coming in 2933 02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:42,159 at one time. 2934 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:45,520 >> Great. So, what kind of dates do we 2935 02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:45,920 have? 2936 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:50,960 >> So, it closes the 16th. I I think that 2937 02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,880 between Craig and I, we could probably 2938 02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:54,719 go through those applications to make 2939 02:04:54,719 --> 02:04:57,360 sure everything is is good and and 2940 02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:00,320 eligible. I I think a week is is enough 2941 02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:03,040 for that. Do you think you agree there, 2942 02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:06,629 Craig? 2943 02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:08,960 » One 2944 02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:10,880 maybe not. 2945 02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:13,520 >> Two two grants. I don't see how that's 2946 02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:18,229 working. 2947 02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:20,159 I'm just looking at my calendar. So, 2948 02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:23,840 you're talking the 16th of October is 2949 02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:28,390 when they are due. 2950 02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:30,560 » I would 2951 02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:33,910 that's a Friday 2952 02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:36,080 » and then based upon your suggested 2953 02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,000 timeline in the presentation, can you 2954 02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:40,719 pull up that slide, Dory? 2955 02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:49,589 >> There we go. Let me see. 2956 02:05:49,599 --> 02:05:51,599 I think we could probably do it in a 2957 02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:56,960 week if if you and I right now put 2958 02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:01,440 placeholders for the week of the 19th 2959 02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,400 so that it's nothing but that on our 2960 02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:06,320 plate. Otherwise, we won't get it done 2961 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:08,639 and it will languish until the 1st of 2962 02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:13,990 November. 2963 02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,920 I am more than happy to to block that 2964 02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:17,360 out 2965 02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:19,199 >> right now and I'm going to copy you on 2966 02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:20,320 that. 2967 02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:26,239 >> Perfect. Um and then I think if that is 2968 02:06:26,239 --> 02:06:28,159 I think we can get them sent out the 2969 02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:32,480 26th so long as again 2970 02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:33,760 we can help them out. But 2971 02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:35,360 >> but you might want to build in a fudge 2972 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:36,960 factor. [laughter] 2973 02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:41,520 >> Well for you guys to review. Um, and 2974 02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,400 then two weeks seem fair. 2975 02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:47,280 >> Okay. So, opinions from the council 2976 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,400 members, two weeks for us to review two 2977 02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:52,480 major grants. 2978 02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,480 >> So, then you'd be looking at the 9th of 2979 02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:59,040 November essentially that week to 2980 02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:00,639 >> What do you think, George? 2981 02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:06,790 >> Good with that. 2982 02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:08,159 » I know Jason. 2983 02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,320 >> I I think that works for me. Yeah, just 2984 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,719 looking at my calendar. Yeah, seems like 2985 02:07:12,719 --> 02:07:14,960 it'll work. 2986 02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:18,480 >> Duet, are you good with a two week? 2987 02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,960 >> I am. Yes, 2988 02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:22,480 >> Adam. 2989 02:07:22,480 --> 02:07:25,440 >> Yeah, two weeks should be fine. 2990 02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:31,910 >> Uh, who else have we got? Zack 2991 02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:36,870 » still with us? 2992 02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:41,599 » Jen. Yeah, that's that should be fine. 2993 02:07:41,599 --> 02:07:46,709 >> Okay, I'm okay with that. 2994 02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:53,040 » So So then uh October 26 until November 2995 02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:54,639 >> 9th. 2996 02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:57,199 Is that November 9th or Tuesday? 2997 02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:59,679 >> It's a Monday. 2998 02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:02,239 >> So do people want to meet on a Monday or 2999 02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:05,199 a Tuesday? What's your What kind of day 3000 02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:06,639 of the week is better? I think if 3001 02:08:06,639 --> 02:08:10,950 there's enough I could 3002 02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:12,639 like we're picking it now. 3003 02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:15,679 >> You might as well. Yeah, 3004 02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:17,280 >> because we've usually been meeting on 3005 02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:18,880 Tuesdays. 3006 02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:25,189 That's a little more predictable. 3007 02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:27,360 » I wouldn't recommend more than two 3008 02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:29,840 hours. 3009 02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:31,119 >> Yeah, this is going to be a longer 3010 02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:32,320 meeting. 3011 02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:34,239 Um, 3012 02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:37,440 >> do we meet two days in a row? Do we do a 3013 02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:39,440 long meeting? 3014 02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:41,040 What's your preference? 3015 02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:42,320 >> I do a long meeting. 3016 02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,000 >> Long meeting. 3017 02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:44,800 >> You're done. 3018 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:47,199 >> Three hour meeting. Is that going to be 3019 02:08:47,199 --> 02:08:52,354 enough? 4 hour meeting? 3020 02:08:52,364 --> 02:08:53,920 [laughter] 3021 02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:59,109 >> Long. 3022 02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:01,920 » What are people's opinions? a three-hour 3023 02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:04,800 meeting, four hour meeting, ninth, and 3024 02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:05,840 10th of 3025 02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:07,920 >> Could we do a threeh hour meeting and 3026 02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:12,639 start at three again? Like, is that 3027 02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:14,400 >> Yeah. 3028 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:17,199 >> I think so. If if you even wanted, we 3029 02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:19,199 could block out the two days just in 3030 02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:21,599 case. Maybe three hours each. I'm not 3031 02:09:21,599 --> 02:09:24,079 saying that's going to take total of six 3032 02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:27,360 hours, but just in case, just to make 3033 02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:28,079 sure folks have 3034 02:09:28,079 --> 02:09:29,440 >> What day are you looking at? Four and 3035 02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:32,239 over. looking at Monday and Tuesday, 3036 02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:33,440 >> whatever works. 3037 02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:35,040 >> Wednesday is a holiday. 3038 02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:37,679 >> Yeah, Wednesday's a holiday. 3039 02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:38,639 >> Yeah. 3040 02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:41,520 >> So, are people What if we did Okay, 3041 02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:43,840 let's go back to There's two options. A 3042 02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,119 longer meeting, one day or shorter 3043 02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:49,840 meetings two days. What are people's 3044 02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:51,119 preference? 3045 02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:52,239 >> And then we don't get as many 3046 02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:55,119 applications. You can always reduce the 3047 02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:57,360 >> Yeah. You know, should we just do it as 3048 02:09:57,360 --> 02:09:59,360 well? We put four. I'll be saving it for 3049 02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:00,400 a four hour. 3050 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:02,239 >> We'll save the four hour block 3051 02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:04,480 >> and then I'll we'll have a we'll have 3052 02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,320 some 3053 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:08,480 >> I'll have some food for y'all. I'll have 3054 02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:10,000 some stuff to keep your fuel going. 3055 02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,079 >> There we go. 3056 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:15,440 >> So, what if we were to Can we go till if 3057 02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:18,000 we start at 3? Can we go till 7 for the 3058 02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:19,840 block of time? And if we finish early, 3059 02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:21,599 we finish at six. 3060 02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:22,400 >> That's good. 3061 02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:23,199 >> Yeah, 3062 02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:24,639 >> that's me for that. But I'll make sure I 3063 02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:26,960 have both for y'all. That is for those 3064 02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:29,360 that show up in person. 3065 02:10:29,360 --> 02:10:31,920 He's not delivering not dooring your 3066 02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:32,880 house. [laughter] 3067 02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:34,639 >> That's an incentive to show up in 3068 02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:35,760 person. 3069 02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:39,679 >> You could watch as he [laughter] 3070 02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:43,040 So, right now the proposal is a 4hour 3071 02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:45,520 block of time, hopefully a three-hour 3072 02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,480 meeting, but we have that extra hour in 3073 02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:51,199 case we need it. Monday the 9th or 3074 02:10:51,199 --> 02:10:54,159 Tuesday the 10th, which date is better 3075 02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:56,320 for people? 3076 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,239 Is Tuesday 3077 02:10:58,239 --> 02:11:01,360 the 10th? Is that 3078 02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:03,760 >> That's not election day, is it? 3079 02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:07,280 >> No. 3080 02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:08,639 >> Next election. 3081 02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:10,000 >> It'll be the week before. 3082 02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:13,360 >> Be the week before. Okay. Sorry. 3083 02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:15,760 >> So, that'll be the third. 3084 02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:17,199 >> Okay. Never mind. 3085 02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:18,800 >> Oh, you know what? I can't do the 3086 02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:22,000 because we have our UAC meetings on 3087 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,000 second Tuesdays. 3088 02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:25,920 That'll be the second Tuesday. So, 3089 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:29,599 Monday, Monday the 9th. 3090 02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:33,040 That means, you know, there's no 3091 02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:35,520 uh safety valve in case these things 3092 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:38,639 didn't get done over the weekend. 3093 02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:41,760 Monday, it's business day. Be ready, 3094 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,360 right? 3095 02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:45,040 >> Monday's okay. 3096 02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:46,400 >> Monday the 9th. 3097 02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:48,480 >> Monday. Good. 3098 02:11:48,480 --> 02:11:52,400 >> Y anybody opposed to Monday the 9th? I 3099 02:11:52,400 --> 02:11:53,840 would have a hard time making it by 3100 02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:57,360 three o'clock on Monday the 9th. 3101 02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:00,000 >> I'd have to go later that day. I could 3102 02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,800 do Thursday though. 3103 02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:04,800 >> Yeah, I can't do Thursday. Well, what's 3104 02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:06,800 the late I mean, you can Jenny's able to 3105 02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:07,840 join later. 3106 02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:09,360 >> Yeah, we still want to get her vote 3107 02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:11,599 though, her input. I hate to leave 3108 02:12:11,599 --> 02:12:12,880 anybody out. 3109 02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:16,320 >> It's only half hour. 3110 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:18,560 >> Are you saying a half hour, Jenny? Is 3111 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:19,040 that your 3112 02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,360 >> No, like I I wouldn't be able to join 3113 02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:23,679 before five o'clock on Monday. 3114 02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:25,440 >> I have Oh, 3115 02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:26,000 >> okay. 3116 02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:29,119 >> I save all my meetings for Monday. 3117 02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:32,719 >> Let's do Tuesday the 10th. And um 3118 02:12:32,719 --> 02:12:34,320 >> you can beg you can beg Roger for 3119 02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:35,599 forgiveness. 3120 02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:38,000 >> Yes, because I'm conducting the next 3121 02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:42,239 couple meets anyway. [laughter] 3122 02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:44,560 >> All right. So, Tuesday, October of 3123 02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:48,639 November 10th, 3 to 7 is the block, but 3124 02:12:48,639 --> 02:12:51,840 we'll work to resolve and get everything 3125 02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:55,679 prioritized by 6. 3126 02:12:55,679 --> 02:12:57,679 >> Perfect. 3127 02:12:57,679 --> 02:12:58,639 >> Awesome. 3128 02:12:58,639 --> 02:12:59,840 >> Yeah. 3129 02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:02,400 >> Any other questions on on this from 3130 02:13:02,400 --> 02:13:03,599 anybody? 3131 02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:05,520 >> Um, just real quickly, what kind of 3132 02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:07,679 outreach have you been doing on these 3133 02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:08,400 two grants? 3134 02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:11,280 >> We're getting ready. I'm I'm going to be 3135 02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:15,280 doing a video with our comm's team to 3136 02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:17,199 kind of present present that out and 3137 02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:18,800 then we'll be sharing that on social 3138 02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,760 media, our newsletter as well, just any 3139 02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:25,199 of the uh channels that we have access 3140 02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:27,599 to. And of course, I'd love to take 3141 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:34,149 advantage of the, you know, 3142 02:13:34,159 --> 02:13:36,320 um you've also done some you've also 3143 02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,560 been doing a lot of outreach way prior 3144 02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,719 to this. that he's been doing on the 3145 02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,639 grants tours that were last year in 3146 02:13:42,639 --> 02:13:45,199 December this time. So, there's a lot 3147 02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:47,599 and the sheriff search and rescue um 3148 02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:49,280 conferences that he's been attending 3149 02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,320 these also. 3150 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:52,079 >> And you'll be you'll be doing another 3151 02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:53,040 tour coming up. 3152 02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:54,719 >> Yes. So, it's actually kind of funny. 3153 02:13:54,719 --> 02:13:56,079 That's why 3154 02:13:56,079 --> 02:14:00,560 >> this week was November 9th. That week is 3155 02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:03,199 really important because like that it 3156 02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:04,800 happens that week, I think, because the 3157 02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:07,840 16th is when we have our southern pour 3158 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:12,000 scheduled. So, I'd be going to at least 3159 02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:14,719 right now for the 16th, whoever. 3160 02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:16,159 >> Oh, so it'll be after. 3161 02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:17,440 >> Yeah. And then and then and then it's 3162 02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:20,719 holiday, right? It's turkey turkey week. 3163 02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:23,040 Just this is starting to get harder. 3164 02:14:23,040 --> 02:14:25,119 >> Okay. I thought you were doing a tour in 3165 02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:26,800 the earlier in the fall. 3166 02:14:26,800 --> 02:14:29,920 >> We we have two tours. So, we have the 3167 02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:31,599 >> the southern tour, which is the 16th 3168 02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:35,599 through the 20th, and then the tour for 3169 02:14:35,599 --> 02:14:37,199 December, which is the 7th through the 3170 02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:37,599 10th. 3171 02:14:37,599 --> 02:14:39,360 >> Okay. So they're both after we're done 3172 02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:39,520 with 3173 02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:40,719 >> R. Okay. 3174 02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:43,040 >> RA's been doing a lot of lot of lot of 3175 02:14:43,040 --> 02:14:44,639 movement and going on that and I know 3176 02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:47,040 that Craig in the background is also 3177 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:49,040 pushing a lot with the constituents 3178 02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:50,480 around this week. 3179 02:14:50,480 --> 02:14:52,159 >> Great. All right. 3180 02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:53,520 >> I think we're going to be swimming in 3181 02:14:53,520 --> 02:14:54,560 applications. 3182 02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:57,199 >> Great. Well, that's good news. Right. 3183 02:14:57,199 --> 02:14:59,599 >> So Jorge, the one outreach piece that we 3184 02:14:59,599 --> 02:15:01,440 talked about yesterday and I think that 3185 02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:04,239 it's important people are use used to 3186 02:15:04,239 --> 02:15:06,719 putting their applications in early. 3187 02:15:06,719 --> 02:15:09,280 many of them. Um, and you've received 3188 02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:11,040 some questions related to the existing 3189 02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:12,800 application process that's on our 3190 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,119 website. You're replacing that with 3191 02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:18,480 information related to this new process. 3192 02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:20,159 Uh, you kind of threw some language at 3193 02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:21,599 me the other day. That'll be out there 3194 02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:24,159 shortly. Uh, and potential applicants 3195 02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:27,119 will then see what the new process is. 3196 02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:28,880 And I think it would be a good place for 3197 02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,840 us to upload that video that you're 3198 02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:33,119 going to put together with your comm's 3199 02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:36,159 team to allow them to to access that if 3200 02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:38,320 they're seeking out the voting access 3201 02:15:38,320 --> 02:15:40,880 grant uh through the traditional channel 3202 02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:43,840 of going to the Udor website. Yeah, I 3203 02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,840 I'll make sure to to talk about both of 3204 02:15:45,840 --> 02:15:48,880 the grant programs and then uh I reached 3205 02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:51,920 out to uh Austin again, Austin and Neil, 3206 02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:53,520 they're they're both on on the comps 3207 02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:56,079 team um to kind of adjust the language 3208 02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:58,639 that we have on our website. Um I 3209 02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:00,159 submitted a request for that and so 3210 02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:02,480 hopefully within this week they can get 3211 02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,119 that adjusted. 3212 02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:05,679 >> Great. 3213 02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:08,320 >> Yeah, that's what we have on grants. 3214 02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:11,679 Okay. Any further comments, questions or 3215 02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:17,119 accolades or or that he's done? 3216 02:16:17,119 --> 02:16:18,960 This is great. You know, we really 3217 02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:20,719 appreciate all the work that you and the 3218 02:16:20,719 --> 02:16:22,719 others in the division have done on 3219 02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:23,360 this. So, 3220 02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:26,480 >> thank you. 3221 02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:28,239 >> Okay. 3222 02:16:28,239 --> 02:16:31,360 All right. Uh we have some miscellaneous 3223 02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:34,559 items on our agenda but these were just 3224 02:16:34,559 --> 02:16:39,439 topics basically for future meetings. Um 3225 02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:41,359 you know so far our meetings have been 3226 02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:43,840 driven by grant deadlines and grant 3227 02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:46,160 reviews but in the beginning when we 3228 02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:49,040 reestablish the council we talked about 3229 02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:52,240 some other um kind of strategic goals 3230 02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,160 and types of meetings and you know 3231 02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:56,960 looking at bylaws occasionally. So, I'm 3232 02:16:56,960 --> 02:16:58,319 thinking we're going to need some 3233 02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:01,120 meeting like that coming up after we 3234 02:17:01,120 --> 02:17:03,920 finish with the grant review time. So, 3235 02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,559 maybe first of the year could be a good 3236 02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,280 time to do that kind of focusing in 3237 02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:11,519 ourselves as the voting advisory 3238 02:17:11,519 --> 02:17:12,960 council, what we want to do for the 3239 02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:15,840 following year. Uh what kind of meeting 3240 02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:18,719 schedule we want to set up for the year. 3241 02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:20,319 Um, 3242 02:17:20,319 --> 02:17:22,240 so I'm just I always like to throw 3243 02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:24,160 things in a hopper on an agenda for 3244 02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:27,840 future agenda items. And I would welcome 3245 02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:30,479 all council members and even the 3246 02:17:30,479 --> 02:17:33,359 associated exeicio members. If you have 3247 02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:36,479 an idea for an agenda item that could be 3248 02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,359 for some future presentation, you know, 3249 02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:42,960 just send it to me or Jorge and uh we'll 3250 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,760 start building future agenda item list 3251 02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:50,240 as part of our agendas. Um, 3252 02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,000 we won't get to some of the stuff on 3253 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,920 this number seven obviously because 3254 02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,639 we've run out of time. Um, I want to 3255 02:17:56,639 --> 02:18:00,800 allow Kent Singleton if you're able to 3256 02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:03,920 access your mic. Kent, we'd love to hear 3257 02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:04,160 from 3258 02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:05,840 >> Can you hear me now? 3259 02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:07,359 >> Yes. 3260 02:18:07,359 --> 02:18:09,200 >> Wonderful. 3261 02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:11,040 >> So, but you've got three minutes. You've 3262 02:18:11,040 --> 02:18:12,719 got our attention. 3263 02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:14,800 >> Well, thank you. So, good afternoon. My 3264 02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,559 name is Kent Singleton. I own two 3265 02:18:16,559 --> 02:18:19,359 parcels at Taggers on the Weber River. 3266 02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:22,719 Concerning your Boers access grant 3267 02:18:22,719 --> 02:18:25,599 process that for years my private 3268 02:18:25,599 --> 02:18:27,439 driveway and adjoining property have 3269 02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:30,000 functionally been treated as part of the 3270 02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:33,920 Heniper Tagert boating access project. 3271 02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:36,080 The public and commercial outfitters 3272 02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:37,920 have been directed into this area for 3273 02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:40,639 river access while signs, proposed 3274 02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:43,040 improvements, and governmental project 3275 02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:45,519 materials have treated the location as a 3276 02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:48,240 public boating facility. Because of this 3277 02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:50,880 boating advisory council, my question 3278 02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:53,840 today is direct. What boating access 3279 02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,479 funding has this council DWR, the 3280 02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:58,719 Division of Outdoor Recreation, or 3281 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:01,359 another state program recommended, 3282 02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:03,840 approved, awarded, reimbursed, or paid 3283 02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:06,399 to Morgan County for the Hener Tagert 3284 02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:09,040 project. The Morgan County's application 3285 02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,920 materials identify an estimated project 3286 02:19:11,920 --> 02:19:16,319 cost of approximately $239,100, 3287 02:19:16,319 --> 02:19:20,000 including an $164,100 3288 02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,319 requested from the state in a proposed 3289 02:19:22,319 --> 02:19:24,000 $75,000 3290 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:26,800 Morgan County ARPA match. The project 3291 02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:29,200 materials describe frontage road and 3292 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,200 parking improvements, asphalt paving, 3293 02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:34,319 signs, river pull out, toilet, 3294 02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:36,719 landscaping, vendor access, and 3295 02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:38,639 accommodation of public and commercial 3296 02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:41,439 recreation. Asphalt paving and related 3297 02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:43,519 work have now been completed. I 3298 02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:44,960 respectfully request a written 3299 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:47,120 accounting identifying whether the 3300 02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:49,120 $164,100 3301 02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:52,000 was approved or paid, the amount of the 3302 02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:54,319 date of every award and reimbursement or 3303 02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:56,560 funding commitment, the approved scope 3304 02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:59,120 of work, and whether the recent paving 3305 02:19:59,120 --> 02:20:02,000 was included in the state funded boating 3306 02:20:02,000 --> 02:20:05,920 access project. I also ask what deed, 3307 02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:07,680 recorded easement, right-ofway, 3308 02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:10,319 landowner authorization, survey, or 3309 02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:13,280 other proof of lawful site control 3310 02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:16,000 Mortyn County submitted before funding 3311 02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,479 was recommended or approved. Mortyn 3312 02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:21,840 County's GIS map depicts my two parcels 3313 02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:23,840 in this area, and that mapping is 3314 02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,399 supported by county recorded parcel 3315 02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:29,600 documentation. I recognize that the GIS 3316 02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:31,359 alone is not a final title 3317 02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:33,840 determination. However, the county 3318 02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:36,640 should be required to identify exactly 3319 02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:39,520 what property it represented as owning 3320 02:20:39,520 --> 02:20:42,160 or lawfully controlling. Despite my 3321 02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:44,080 grandma request, I have not received the 3322 02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:46,399 complete explanation of the funding or 3323 02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,880 site control documentation. I 3324 02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:51,920 respectfully ask that my statement in 3325 02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:54,640 GIS exhibits be preserved, that the 3326 02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:56,960 responsible agencies provide written 3327 02:20:56,960 --> 02:20:59,359 answers, that no additional Tagert 3328 02:20:59,359 --> 02:21:02,160 funding be approved without documented 3329 02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:03,760 site control and landowner 3330 02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:05,359 authorization. 3331 02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:07,600 My private driveway should not be 3332 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:10,319 funded, promoted, or operated as a 3333 02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:13,120 public boating access project without 3334 02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:16,160 first establishing the legal right to 3335 02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:19,280 use it. And I ask that this speech be 3336 02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:22,319 recorded, please. 3337 02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:24,560 >> All right. Thank you, Kent. And uh you 3338 02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:25,760 know, I don't know anything about your 3339 02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:29,200 grant your grandma request, but um we 3340 02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,720 appreciate you're taking the time to 3341 02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:33,520 join us and uh you found a way to join 3342 02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:36,000 us remotely, so that's great. I hope 3343 02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:38,640 that makes it easier for you. 3344 02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,000 >> Thank you. 3345 02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:41,680 >> Yeah. 3346 02:21:41,680 --> 02:21:45,280 Okay. Is there any other item 3347 02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:48,319 that anybody would like to mention 3348 02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:52,000 events or maybe a motion to close the 3349 02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:52,640 meeting? 3350 02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:54,240 >> I just had a quick question for Dwit, 3351 02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:55,680 but you mentioned something about Lynen 3352 02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:57,760 Marina and I didn't catch all that. Dit, 3353 02:21:57,760 --> 02:21:58,800 will you repeat what you said about 3354 02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:01,040 Lynon Marina? 3355 02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:03,920 Yes, Lynen Marina, which was privately 3356 02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,960 owned, uh was recently sold to a 3357 02:22:06,960 --> 02:22:10,399 developer in the London area who plans 3358 02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:14,880 to make it an amenity to a excuse me, a 3359 02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:17,840 large housing development that's going 3360 02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:20,160 in immediately to the east of the 3361 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:22,800 harbor. they have notified all the 3362 02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:25,439 voters to remove all of their craft by 3363 02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:29,359 the end of the month and um justifying 3364 02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:33,200 so u because of very low water uh in 3365 02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:36,560 that marina of less than three feet. So 3366 02:22:36,560 --> 02:22:39,120 all of the sailors have I think there's 3367 02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,359 three boats left in the puddle but 3368 02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:44,640 that's about it. Um uh we understand the 3369 02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:47,920 plans of this private developer are to 3370 02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:49,439 eventually 3371 02:22:49,439 --> 02:22:52,720 uh upgrade the building um the general 3372 02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:56,560 store and the dockage. Other than that, 3373 02:22:56,560 --> 02:23:00,240 I don't I can't speak to any other 3374 02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:04,560 plans. They have not told uh the boat 3375 02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:08,560 slip owners or boat storage folks their 3376 02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:13,520 plans beyond uh the end of the month. 3377 02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:16,319 Will it be will it have public access 3378 02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:16,880 still? 3379 02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:19,760 >> Yes. Oh, yeah. They they have pledged to 3380 02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:22,800 retain public access. 3381 02:23:22,800 --> 02:23:24,399 >> Well, since it's state sovereign land 3382 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:25,760 and not privately owned, they would have 3383 02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:29,600 to um so just a just a mild correction 3384 02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:31,359 here. It's not a privately owned. The 3385 02:23:31,359 --> 02:23:33,920 lease has been transferred and sold. 3386 02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:37,280 >> Okay. I I apologize. Yes, it's Yes. 3387 02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:40,080 Yeah, it's a was a privately held lease. 3388 02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:40,640 Correct. 3389 02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:42,640 >> Yep. It's still safe state land. So 3390 02:23:42,640 --> 02:23:44,479 there is there has to be public access 3391 02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:47,680 on those lands. But but the lease is 3392 02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:49,040 trading chicken. 3393 02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:50,399 >> So but there'll be interruption while 3394 02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:52,800 they do the modifications apparently. I 3395 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:54,960 wasn't aware of that. But yeah, 3396 02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:57,359 >> also Lyndon just with the depths and 3397 02:23:57,359 --> 02:23:59,280 everything is there. If you've voted on 3398 02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:02,240 Utah Lake outside of Lynon up to a 3399 02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:04,399 quarter mile or more out, there's a 3400 02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:06,640 large bar that goes across the the 3401 02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:09,520 marina there. So years past Lynen Marina 3402 02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:11,600 itself would be a great depth, but you 3403 02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:15,920 could never get across that that bar 3404 02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:17,760 with that. Yeah, it's not it's not a fun 3405 02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:19,920 one to to try to get in and out of with 3406 02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:21,760 that. So you gota have a shallow shallow 3407 02:24:21,760 --> 02:24:23,920 draft boat. So I mean with you know 3408 02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,399 fixed kills, yeah, they're done. They're 3409 02:24:26,399 --> 02:24:28,080 done in that area if they're if it's a 3410 02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:29,840 fixed kill boat. They would have been 3411 02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:32,880 way done um earlier with that. Uh 3412 02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:35,600 retractables still going to run some 3413 02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:39,990 issues. 3414 02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:40,880 I just want to clarify that. 3415 02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:42,560 >> I caught that when you said that, too. 3416 02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:47,750 Like, oh, resold. [laughter] 3417 02:24:47,760 --> 02:24:51,840 » Uh, let's see. Craig, 3418 02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:53,439 >> yeah, a couple things just in response 3419 02:24:53,439 --> 02:24:56,240 to Kent. Uh, Kent, I never saw your 3420 02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:58,399 grammar request. If you could submit 3421 02:24:58,399 --> 02:25:00,479 that uh through the Division of Wildlife 3422 02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:03,680 Resources, that would be great. Uh, I 3423 02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:07,680 just did a pretty cursory search. Um, we 3424 02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:08,960 could probably do a more in-depth 3425 02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:10,880 search, but I looked through our 3426 02:25:10,880 --> 02:25:13,200 database and all the projects we had 3427 02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:16,000 historically uh, accomplished with the 3428 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:17,600 boating access grant in the state of 3429 02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:19,760 Utah using federal funds and did not see 3430 02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:22,319 anything related to the Weaver River or 3431 02:25:22,319 --> 02:25:25,120 Heniper. Um, but again, I would do a 3432 02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:26,720 more in-depth dive with a grammar 3433 02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:30,240 request. So, just to let you know, um I 3434 02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:31,840 would take care of that if you if I were 3435 02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,280 to see that grammar request. So, please 3436 02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:35,040 send it my way uh via the Division of 3437 02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:36,560 Wildlife Resources and they will forward 3438 02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:39,200 it to me. 3439 02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:41,520 And if you can give me your direct email 3440 02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:44,319 address because I've already done that. 3441 02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:47,520 Uh that's not usually how we do this 3442 02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:50,720 with grammar requests, but uh I can go 3443 02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:53,280 ahead and forward that request then via 3444 02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,359 the grammar process to the person who is 3445 02:25:55,359 --> 02:25:58,000 the coordinator to do the grammar and 3446 02:25:58,000 --> 02:25:59,920 they will then circle it back to me and 3447 02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:02,640 ask me for the information. So uh 3448 02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:05,120 >> if you can let me know, I'm I'd be sure 3449 02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:06,479 to receive that. 3450 02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:11,840 >> Absolutely. It is my name c r ai g w a l 3451 02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,359 keer 3452 02:26:13,359 --> 02:26:18,230 at utah spelledout.gov. 3453 02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:19,359 » Thank you. 3454 02:26:19,359 --> 02:26:21,680 >> And uh just for those that were talking 3455 02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:25,680 about Lynen, um it is a lease. Hopefully 3456 02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:27,359 the improvements that have been made at 3457 02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:30,479 Lynen Harbor historically were not uh 3458 02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:33,840 moved by the former owner when they 3459 02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:36,640 decided to uh relinquish their lease. 3460 02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:39,040 We'll have to take a look at that and 3461 02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,680 make sure that any docks, any 3462 02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,200 improvements that could have been moved 3463 02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:45,280 are still there. 3464 02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:48,399 >> Yeah. Might might require a site visit. 3465 02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:52,950 >> Absolutely. 3466 02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:55,760 » Any other announcements or 3467 02:26:55,760 --> 02:27:01,110 things from any other council members? 3468 02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:03,359 I've got one announcement. Uh coming up 3469 02:27:03,359 --> 02:27:06,160 in February will be uh fishing day on 3470 02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:08,160 the hill and we'd love to have the 3471 02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:09,920 boating advisory council have a table 3472 02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:12,000 there uh because boating is a big part 3473 02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:15,760 of our fishing uh recreation activity. 3474 02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:19,120 Um we've had you there before uh coming 3475 02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:22,720 up on I think it's the 12th of February. 3476 02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:24,880 So uh we'll start getting the word out 3477 02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:28,880 about that. Get everybody well planned 3478 02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:30,960 and advised for fishing day on the hill. 3479 02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:34,160 It's a midday 11 to1 3480 02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:38,240 11 to2 event. 3481 02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:42,800 Okay. Do I have a motion for adjourning? 3482 02:27:42,800 --> 02:27:44,319 >> I'll make the motion we adjourn the 3483 02:27:44,319 --> 02:27:45,359 meeting. 3484 02:27:45,359 --> 02:27:48,880 >> Motion by George. Second by anybody? 3485 02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:50,399 >> I'll second. 3486 02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:54,080 >> Okay. Second. No discussion. 3487 02:27:54,080 --> 02:27:56,160 A vote. All in favor say I. 3488 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,680 >> I. I. 3489 02:27:57,680 --> 02:27:59,680 >> I. 3490 02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:02,160 >> Okay. Motion carries. Thank you all for 3491 02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:06,240 staying 30 minutes after I, you know, 3492 02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:08,720 sometimes it's hard to keep everything 3493 02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:10,720 under two hours, but it was a good 3494 02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:12,479 meeting. I thought we had a lot of good 3495 02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:14,560 information and discussion. So, thank 3496 02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:16,240 you for hanging in there for the extra 3497 02:28:16,240 --> 02:28:18,000 30 minutes 3498 02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:21,120 and we'll see you again on November 3499 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,359 10th. 3500 02:28:23,359 --> 02:28:26,600 >> Thanks everybody.