[0:00] Okay. Um,
[0:02] >> and then we don't have a quorum.
[0:04] >> No, but we can at least welcome people.
[0:07] Um, so I'd like to welcome those who
[0:09] have started joining us for our voting
[0:12] advisory council meeting for August 4th,
[0:15] 2026. I'm Jeff Salt, the chair. Uh,
[0:19] we'll be waiting for a majority of our
[0:22] council members to join online today.
[0:26] So, we're waiting for
[0:29] that the magic number and then we'll do
[0:32] introductions.
[0:38] » Hey Ty,
[0:39] >> how are you guys?
[0:41] >> Okay,
[0:44] » last meeting.
[0:49] » Okay. Oh, Adam's good.
[0:53] One,
[0:56] two, three.
[1:14] » Those online, can you hear us?
[1:18] >> Yes, I'm I can hear you fine. Yeah, I
[1:22] can hear you. I'm uh I'm gonna step away
[1:23] from my desk for just a few minutes.
[1:25] Give me about three minutes.
[1:27] >> Okay,
[1:37] » Jason's on
[1:56] George is here.
[2:01] [clears throat]
[2:02] >> So five makes us the right.
[2:06] >> Oh yeah, just there.
[2:09] >> Adam just is online but he stepped away.
[2:15] Okay, I'm trying to count all the
[2:18] >> So, we got Adam, Jeff, Dick, Jason.
[2:22] >> Hey,
[2:22] >> we're at nine.
[2:25] See if there's anything.
[2:26] >> Yeah.
[2:27] >> All right. So, uh let's go ahead and
[2:30] start. So, because we have a pretty full
[2:33] agenda today, again, thank you for all
[2:35] your attendance and your time today. And
[2:38] I know it's an earlier start time than
[2:40] usual. Uh hopefully it's not going to be
[2:44] a problem for those people who thought
[2:45] it was at four o'clock.
[2:48] Again, I'm Jeff Salt, chair. I represent
[2:50] the paddlesport community. Uh let's go
[2:53] around. Uh Det, would you like to
[2:56] introduce yourself?
[2:58] >> Sure. Dwit Smith, uh lifelong sailor and
[3:03] represent sailing on the council.
[3:07] >> Thank you, Jason. How's it going?
[3:11] >> It's going good. Uh Jason Taylor and I'm
[3:13] representing the Outfitters.
[3:17] >> Is it hot enough down there for you?
[3:20] >> Could be it could be warmer, I guess.
[3:22] You know, 109 or something. Not bad.
[3:26] >> Uh let's see. George,
[3:28] >> George Summer, Angler representative.
[3:33] » And Adam stepped away for a minute.
[3:35] Let's go around. Uh, Jorge, would you
[3:37] like to introduce yourself?
[3:40] >> Yeah. Hi, everybody. My name is Jorge
[3:42] Vazquez. I am with the Division of
[3:44] Outdoor Recreation and I am recreation
[3:47] analyst.
[3:49] >> Ty Hunter. I'm the voting program
[3:51] manager
[3:53] for the Utah Division of Outdoor
[3:55] Recreation.
[3:59] And then I'm Brian Kurt. I'm the
[4:01] lieutenant for the Division of Law
[4:02] Enforcement.
[4:04] And then
[4:06] >> sign to the voting program.
[4:07] [laughter]
[4:09] >> And I am Nico Mlety, assistant attorney
[4:11] general. I am just stepping in for
[4:13] Nicole, who serves as counsel for these
[4:15] proceedings.
[4:18] >> Craig,
[4:20] [clears throat]
[4:20] >> Craig Walker, assistant chief with the
[4:22] Division of Wildlife Resources and the
[4:24] voting access coordinator for the state
[4:26] of Utah.
[4:27] >> Thank you.
[4:29] >> Jenny,
[4:32] » Jen Kudson. I am the water sports um
[4:37] representative for the commission.
[4:40] >> Great. Thanks for being here today. And
[4:43] it looks like we have at least one guest
[4:46] from the public. Eve, would you like to
[4:48] introduce yourself?
[4:52] » Good afternoon. I'm Eve Davies. I work
[4:55] for Pacific Core and uh I'm here to just
[4:58] uh listen to the discussion on Cutler
[5:00] today.
[5:02] Great.
[5:03] Thanks. Okay. All right.
[5:06] >> Hey, Jeff. This is Adam. I'm back, too.
[5:07] I just want to introduce myself. Adam
[5:09] Meboat
[5:11] users. Um, my camera's not working, so
[5:13] luckily for you guys, you don't have to
[5:14] look at my be mug this time. So, I don't
[5:16] know what what's up with my camera, but
[5:18] I'm I'm here.
[5:19] >> Okay. Thanks, Adam. Appreciate it. Okay.
[5:22] So, uh, let's have, uh, a motion on the
[5:26] minutes or if you want to read the
[5:28] minutes and if we have any, uh, motion
[5:32] on accepting or amending the minutes.
[5:36] >> Yeah, there's some correction that needs
[5:38] to be done to the minutes on the third
[5:40] page.
[5:42] If you'll notice that item number seven
[5:45] continues with uh, all the way down to
[5:49] D. And then in action item number eight
[5:53] was council leadership appointments
[5:56] selection of chair. And I nominated uh
[5:59] the two uh Jeff and Jason to be elected
[6:04] but we didn't ever seem to have an
[6:06] election. It was just Jeff and Jason
[6:10] said they'd willingness to remain in
[6:12] their current leadership. And then item
[6:15] number nine which is labeled seven is
[6:18] adjournment. So it should be item nine
[6:21] and not 3 pm adjournment but it was
[6:23] closer to six.
[6:28] Okay.
[6:32] Now I think we had we had a couple of
[6:36] motions for the leadership.
[6:39] Did we capture all of those?
[6:40] >> Yes.
[6:42] >> Okay.
[6:45] Any other
[6:47] suggestions for
[6:50] corrections, amendments?
[6:54] Are you able to take note of those,
[6:55] Jorge?
[6:56] >> Yes.
[6:57] >> Okay. All right. I'll take a motion
[7:01] regarding the minutes, please.
[7:06] » I'll make a motion the minutes amended
[7:09] as discussed.
[7:11] >> Okay. Second.
[7:14] I'll second it. Yeah.
[7:17] >> So, motion by George Summer, second by
[7:20] Det Smith. Any further discussion on the
[7:23] minutes?
[7:26] >> Hearing none, let's take a vote. All in
[7:28] favor say I.
[7:29] >> I.
[7:30] >> Or raise your hands.
[7:31] >> I.
[7:34] >> Any opposed?
[7:37] Any abstensions?
[7:39] >> Right. Okay. Thank you. There's that
[7:42] corre those corrections will be taken
[7:45] care of. Thank you very much. Uh the
[7:48] next item in our agenda is open public
[7:51] comment section. Uh Eve, if you want to
[7:56] take a minute and say anything, you're
[7:57] welcome to. You have three minutes. Uh
[7:59] but I don't see anybody else from the
[8:01] public online or in attendance.
[8:07] » I certainly don't need three minutes. I
[8:09] just uh Jeff, you and I had spoken and
[8:11] I've also been working extensively with
[8:13] Ty Hunter um regarding a couple of uh
[8:17] related but uh recreation issues there
[8:20] at Cutler Reservoir. Um part of my role
[8:23] is to manage
[8:25] um Cutler Reservoir, the recreation and
[8:30] um uses, you know, basically everything
[8:31] but making the megawatts. I make it so
[8:33] they can make megawws over there. So
[8:35] Cutler is of course an active
[8:36] hydroelectric um
[8:39] plant and project that's regulated by
[8:42] the Federal Energy Regulatory
[8:43] Commission. Um so I believe that that's
[8:48] part of why color shows up on the agenda
[8:50] today.
[8:52] Yeah. And even I had discussed her doing
[8:55] a presentation to the council and give
[8:57] more details about what Pacific Core has
[9:00] in mind and what their concerns are and
[9:02] the history of the the administrative
[9:05] rule change that's been proposed to give
[9:07] everybody a good background. So we'll
[9:09] schedule that for an upcoming uh voting
[9:12] advisory council. I'm really glad that
[9:14] you could attend because we're also
[9:15] talking about Pine View today and you
[9:18] Pacific Core has interest at Pine View.
[9:21] >> Correct. And I um I think the only other thing that I would note
[9:26] is you know we can certainly take the
[9:28] time if people are interested to to
[9:30] discuss the administrative rule change.
[9:33] Um for the most part is really just a
[9:36] reversion to what was originally
[9:38] approved. There was literally just a an
[9:41] error in transcription. and a
[9:42] transcription error. Um, in part is why
[9:45] we are seeking to have the rule revert
[9:49] to uh what was originally approved by
[9:52] this commission and then eventually by
[9:54] the legislature. So,
[9:56] >> great. All right. Well, thanks E. We're
[9:58] really glad that you could attend.
[10:00] >> Thank you. Uh now we've invited the man
[10:05] city manager of Auggan City to attend
[10:08] and give a presentation about Pine View
[10:10] but his schedule and when we set I set
[10:13] this up with his office uh we were
[10:16] planning for a four o'clock start and so
[10:19] he has other meetings going on and will
[10:22] join us at four o'clock. So what we'll
[10:25] need to do is jump to another agenda
[10:30] item uh that would take us
[10:34] and occupy about 45 minutes of the
[10:36] agenda. So uh hi would you like to talk
[10:41] about the administrative role? We can I
[10:43] think between me and Nico we can we can
[10:45] kind of go through this um
[10:49] >> and I might default to you of where we can and can you know how we go
[10:53] in the process but our process is um
[10:57] let's speak about R650215
[11:00] personal flotation devices. We discussed
[11:03] a little bit about what the language was
[11:05] and how we were going to do this. Um
[11:07] Nico
[11:09] what an incredible asset to have you.
[11:11] Thank you so much for this. But we
[11:14] utilize the American whitewater
[11:16] association.
[11:18] Um we utilized uh managers from
[11:21] Forestry, Fire and State Lands. Um this
[11:24] has been in front of the Bureau of Land
[11:25] Management and also National Park
[11:28] Service up in the dinosaur uh um
[11:34] >> National Monument. For some reason, I
[11:35] was like I had dinosaur land come into
[11:37] it and it was not working in my noggin
[11:39] very well. Apologize. Um but anyway um
[11:43] so the dinosaur national monument and
[11:45] then we also had um na uh
[11:48] representatives from the national park
[11:49] service in the canyon lands area that
[11:52] covers the the lower the lower Colorado.
[11:54] And as we were talking through this
[11:56] whole process um
[11:59] we were we were looking about what what
[12:01] we you know what's going to happen and
[12:03] what's not going to happen as we're
[12:05] putting this together. And really the
[12:07] big push that we have is is that the
[12:09] blanket and Nico I might refer to you of
[12:12] the language of explaining how
[12:16] in that first paragraph that we were
[12:17] submitting into uh
[12:19] >> Okay. Sure. Um I'll just go ahead and
[12:21] speak. I'll be honest. I don't really
[12:23] want to go too much into detail because
[12:24] I'm council for this proceeding. Yeah.
[12:26] >> But if you're referring to what's on
[12:28] that notice that I sent you. Uh right
[12:30] now the rule is pretty much all rivers
[12:33] in Utah have a life jacket requirement
[12:34] if you're in a vessel except for
[12:36] designated flat water sections. What uh
[12:39] Tai's proposal will be doing is
[12:41] essentially flipping that rule. Meaning
[12:43] that there will be designate if you're
[12:44] on a river in Utah, the default rule
[12:47] will be no life jackets except for these
[12:49] designated mandatory PMT sections.
[12:52] >> So that's that's in essence where we're
[12:54] at. Sorry, I was looking at some of the
[12:56] we had in there. Yeah, you did it very
[12:58] well with that one there. So, we're just
[13:00] kind of flip-flopping as has been
[13:01] discussed in the past. Um, we are at
[13:05] this point in time to the point that we
[13:07] have received back um second time
[13:09] reviewed from the office of
[13:11] administrative uh rules. We are uh
[13:15] updating that information. We should be
[13:17] submitting it. But before we do the
[13:18] submission, it has to go before the uh
[13:22] executive Sorry, let me get there. the
[13:25] commissioner of natural resources, which
[13:28] will be Jamie Barnes now because I don't
[13:30] know if we're going to reach Joel Ferry
[13:32] before his the end of his time. So, we
[13:34] have we have that piece there um where
[13:36] it needs to go to the commissioner and
[13:39] then it has to be um we have to give
[13:42] advisement to the outdoor adventure
[13:45] commission.
[13:46] Um, and then once that is all done, we
[13:49] have the blessings from the from the
[13:51] commissioner and we've we've given the
[13:54] uh we've given the notice to the outdoor
[13:58] adventure commission, then we can submit
[13:59] it to administrative rules which at that
[14:02] point in time there is a is that 90 days
[14:06] or 60 days?
[14:06] >> I think it's at least two months.
[14:10] >> Yeah. So it's it's between 60 and 90
[14:12] days uh comment period at that point in
[14:14] time and then the rule will become
[14:16] effective um depending on whether what we do with comments if we get
[14:21] comments on it um with it. So that's kind of how that goes. Um
[14:28] so that's that's our personal flotation
[14:30] devices. Uh I'm going to give you my and
[14:34] I I know Nico I might have him crawling
[14:36] out of the skin with that. My personal
[14:38] preference out of this one is is I would
[14:41] have loved to have kept the kept the
[14:42] original in there, but I think we've got
[14:45] a good compromise where we're at at this
[14:47] point in time and we've really done our
[14:49] due diligence and research on this one.
[14:50] And this is something that I I actually
[14:53] can go to bed and sleep at night with
[14:55] and I think that we've got some good
[14:57] stuff and there was this is this is not
[15:00] just a voting program put this together.
[15:01] We've done a lot of research with this
[15:03] with constituents and stuff there. So,
[15:05] this is this is a good thing.
[15:07] we come through and where it's an admin
[15:10] rule, it can be something that we can we
[15:12] can always go back and readress if we
[15:14] have something that comes up as a as a
[15:17] blatant issue that we need to address
[15:19] across the state. So, there we go. We're
[15:22] going to give that one a try there. Um,
[15:25] now I'm going to move on to Cutler.
[15:27] >> Should we have Should we open up for
[15:29] questions? I guess whatever questions
[15:31] anybody anybody here have questions
[15:32] about the the life jackets.
[15:37] » I think I'm going to put the Jason. This
[15:39] is where it affects with Jason is is
[15:40] that the same flatwater sections are
[15:43] still the flatwater sections. It's just
[15:45] we're naming the areas on the green and
[15:48] the Colorado that where the mandatory
[15:50] wear. We're naming those instead of
[15:52] we're naming the uh the flat water. I
[15:57] think that that works
[15:59] >> different.
[16:02] » Yeah, I think that works.
[16:05] >> So, I have a question. Do do we have a
[16:08] baseline of issues related to life
[16:11] jackets on the river
[16:14] >> as okay
[16:16] >> incidents related to wearing or not
[16:19] wearing life jackets? um the issues that
[16:21] we have of wearing and not wearing
[16:23] usually are in more of our urban
[16:26] interface areas on that and the and
[16:28] these particular rivers um we have
[16:31] worked with the sheriff's offices. So if
[16:33] I'm um I'll take the Weaver River for example with that. So um reached out
[16:39] to
[16:41] um
[16:43] Summit to Morgan. Now Morgan themselves
[16:48] in search and rescue they don't run a
[16:50] team themselves that defaults to the
[16:52] Weaver County
[16:54] >> um with that because of this agreement
[16:56] that they have with it. So we've we've
[16:59] via Morgan via Weaver County they have
[17:02] made their delineations with it and
[17:04] really where it kind of goes from like
[17:06] if I was explain the
[17:09] uh put in which is the
[17:13] um
[17:15] I can't remember the mile marker.
[17:16] There's the mile marker off of off of I
[17:19] 84 where the parking lot is a
[17:21] sportsman's access.
[17:22] >> Yeah.
[17:23] >> There on the Summit County side. So from
[17:26] there down to in essence the Augen River
[17:29] confluence
[17:31] um with it is is what Weaver had had
[17:34] announced with that and then they also
[17:36] explained from a from a portion on the
[17:38] Augen River down to the Weber and Augen
[17:41] River confluence on that. So I we tried
[17:44] to work along with that. So in that
[17:46] instance with that I I think we've got
[17:48] some good we've got some good pieces to
[17:50] kind of look at and then to come on the
[17:52] provo we're also looking at below Deer
[17:55] Creek Dam down to export portion I
[17:58] worked in Utah County search and rescue
[18:00] on that and and a lot of these lower
[18:01] ones we have not had a whole lot of
[18:03] incidences on but the areas where we
[18:06] have high incidences yes those areas are
[18:09] there and they are explicitly named in
[18:11] that piece. Did that answer George? Yep.
[18:14] Okay.
[18:15] >> So, Ty, what about a situation where,
[18:18] let's say, Jordan River will be a flat
[18:20] water.
[18:22] >> You don't have to wear a PFD.
[18:24] >> Jordan River was originally covered with it was not designated as a flat
[18:29] water. The Jordan River is required
[18:31] wear.
[18:31] >> It will require.
[18:32] >> Yes. Okay.
[18:33] >> I talked with forestry fire and state
[18:34] lands on on that piece there and they
[18:37] were like, "What was it before?" I said,
[18:38] "It was covered under the blanket." I
[18:40] go, "Yeah, we would really like to have
[18:42] it. There's a lot of snacks,
[18:44] >> okay?
[18:44] >> There's the lowhead dams that are all in
[18:46] there. And I and I'm going to tell you
[18:48] this truthfully, a lowhead dam, a live
[18:50] jack is not going to save you in a
[18:51] lowhead dam and that hydraulics, but
[18:54] they're there and it's something that
[18:55] could assist somebody if they needed to
[18:58] in that in that aspect. So, um Yeah. So,
[19:01] the river is going to be aware aware
[19:04] section.
[19:04] >> Yeah. Well, we had the classer camp, I
[19:06] guess, right?
[19:07] >> Yes.
[19:07] >> And they went over a a structure which
[19:10] was a recirculator. Uh they even had
[19:12] life jackets because they were kaying
[19:14] >> and that's that unfortunately is a
[19:16] national well it's a worldwide issue lowheads.
[19:20] >> So my question though is if there are
[19:23] flatwater sections and there's a group
[19:25] that's
[19:27] somebody does something silly and has an
[19:30] accident.
[19:32] the group that's sponsoring the event
[19:35] could say, "Well, they weren't
[19:36] required." But the insurance company is
[19:39] going to come back at them. And so what
[19:42] happens when you have an insurance
[19:43] situation
[19:44] >> with with that if it's in an area where
[19:46] they're where life jackets are not being
[19:48] required to wear while they're there,
[19:49] they still have to adhere to the United
[19:52] States Coast Guard rules, which the Utah
[19:55] has adopted that piece. I think 7318
[19:59] um parenthesis one if I remember right
[20:02] um with that that every vessel must have
[20:05] a life jacket for every person that's on
[20:07] board with that. So they must have a
[20:09] jacket with them but now they're going
[20:11] to be exempted from wearing it.
[20:13] >> Yeah, I I can see the insurance
[20:15] companies are going to make big
[20:18] >> if the insurance now if they if if
[20:19] they're getting insurance for an event,
[20:21] the insurance company's going to say
[20:22] we're not going to insure your event
[20:23] until everybody wears that. So that's
[20:26] going to be the thing there. It's going
[20:27] to be a financial decision instead of a
[20:30] an actual law decision
[20:32] >> that's between the parties
[20:34] >> and that is between the parties. That's
[20:35] between the insurance company and the
[20:37] event organizer.
[20:38] >> Right. Okay. Because I've I've done
[20:40] groups down the Jordan River especially
[20:42] for years.
[20:43] >> And your insurance the insurance with
[20:45] that was said everybody must wear. We
[20:47] will not insurance.
[20:47] >> Exactly. Yes.
[20:48] >> And I I would require everybody wear a
[20:51] type five anyway even though you only
[20:52] have to have a type three.
[20:54] >> [laughter]
[20:56] >> So anyway, I'm just seeing insurance
[20:58] conflict, you know, litigation could
[21:01] come up and I don't know if this is
[21:03] envisioned in the rule change or I
[21:06] >> I think I think we've ran through and
[21:07] done some pretty heavy due diligence in
[21:10] this and looking through case law and
[21:11] other things at this point time. I think
[21:13] we're good
[21:13] >> now. Originally, this proposal was
[21:16] brought to us. You brought it to us.
[21:18] >> It was it was there to composition. We
[21:21] did a straw poll and the committee said
[21:24] we don't we don't support this change.
[21:27] So what what is going to be different in
[21:29] the details in the weeds that will
[21:32] convince us to change our earlier
[21:35] position?
[21:36] >> I
[21:38] to tell you the truth on this one. I
[21:40] think we've we've done a little bit of
[21:41] the research and looked at the places
[21:43] that we have not had incidences in. Um
[21:47] there's there's to say I'm going to say
[21:50] that there was some pressures to not
[21:53] have certain bodies of water or certain
[21:55] riverways from having that. But we start
[21:57] looking through historical data in those
[21:59] areas and they have not been a problem
[22:01] area.
[22:03] >> So originally from when this was
[22:05] presented to you, yes. Um, I'm I'm going
[22:08] to say
[22:12] maybe a bit jaded in some of the piece
[22:14] because I felt like the this the rug of
[22:17] safety had been pulled out from
[22:18] underneath
[22:19] type of thing there. Um but
[22:23] I can tell you right now that the
[22:25] decision to name what we have named has
[22:27] not been taken lightly and it there's
[22:30] been a lot of lot of thought between
[22:33] sheriff search and res sheriff's
[22:34] sheriffs themselves their situ their
[22:37] search and rescue commanders and then
[22:40] also looking statistical where we have
[22:42] use and where we have had instances you
[22:45] know incidences
[22:46] and with this um needless to say I can
[22:50] tell because I'd go I'd go and sleep at
[22:52] night because of this because when I was
[22:54] originally envisioning this that it was
[22:56] not going to be a full coverage and we
[22:57] were going to lose a lot of stuff and it
[22:59] was not going to look good and the
[23:01] outfitters were going to be
[23:03] um it was going to soak confusion and I
[23:06] think we've kind of worked it around and
[23:07] got it in essence the right way in that
[23:10] and I think we maybe have even improved
[23:12] some of the geological structures that
[23:15] we're we're basing it off of of we've
[23:19] defined that a a little bit more,
[23:20] especially in our flat waters. Some of
[23:22] them was a mix and some people were
[23:24] like, "It's actually here." And it's
[23:26] like, "No, if you read it, it's actually
[23:28] here." And so those lines, I think we
[23:31] firmed up where that is actually at.
[23:35] My other thought is that, you know, the
[23:37] person behind this uh from Washington
[23:41] County area,
[23:44] he tried to run a bill at the
[23:45] legislature and it went absolutely
[23:47] nowhere, right? didn't even get out of
[23:49] rules, right?
[23:50] >> So, is there some other level of concern
[23:54] or opposition to this or how do we just,
[23:57] you know, deal with that?
[23:59] >> Jeff, I think the answer is it's just
[24:00] political.
[24:01] >> Yeah. Okay. That's that's about the best
[24:04] way to say it. It's political. And
[24:06] >> Jeff, did his bill have be more
[24:08] encompassing than this? Thought I
[24:11] thought there was additional stuff.
[24:12] >> There's additional stuff of of uh defi
[24:15] redefining what a vessel was. um
[24:18] reinstating the
[24:20] um what a closeness to shore there was x
[24:24] amount of feet from shore that it was
[24:26] there was exemptions with that and um
[24:29] yeah I think we've I think we're in a
[24:31] good good spot.
[24:33] >> Okay. I I'm just, you know, poking at
[24:35] every possible
[24:36] >> No, I know I know it's the biggest thing
[24:38] is is that we actively and will be
[24:42] continually evaluating this and and um
[24:49] >> uh
[24:51] and then that's good. Yes, we are
[24:53] looking at this one here. And this is
[24:55] the good thing is is this is not in code
[24:58] because if it is in code, we would have
[25:01] to wait until the next legislative
[25:02] session and then even find a sponsor to
[25:05] make it and get it done where this is
[25:07] admin rules. It's a lot more fluid and
[25:10] we can make a change if we need to to be
[25:12] able to keep the public safe in in these
[25:14] areas. And so you mentioned that we'll
[25:17] be providing advice. This group will be
[25:20] giving advice to the outdoor adventure
[25:22] commission. Is that
[25:24] >> No, us the division will present this
[25:27] and and advise the commission that we're
[25:30] going to be changing this rule from what
[25:32] its current language is to what it is
[25:35] what our proposal is.
[25:36] >> So what role do we play for you
[25:38] >> in this is just advisory to look to look
[25:41] at. It's not necessarily open for us to go, but I I might send out not might
[25:47] I need to send out a copy of this when
[25:49] we when it gets published and I would
[25:51] love to have your your individual input
[25:54] >> and that would take place during the
[25:56] >> during the public comment period.
[25:58] >> So then I would suggest that we do that
[26:02] kind of through informal.
[26:04] >> You can you can do it one of two ways.
[26:06] We can do it is is you do the formal
[26:08] piece with that or I can send an
[26:10] individual email to each each member and
[26:12] ask for their individual uh pieces input
[26:15] back. We should do
[26:16] >> either would work. Just depends on what
[26:18] you guys want.
[26:19] >> I just we have to be careful if we send
[26:20] things. I don't need to send it to Jeff
[26:23] and George and Adam and have the three
[26:25] of you in there because we could be
[26:26] considered we don't want to go above a
[26:28] corn. We don't want them to look like
[26:30] it's kind of a hinky communication.
[26:35] the right way to do it as a regular part
[26:36] of our meeting council
[26:38] >> at our next meeting or something or
[26:39] >> isn't the next uh outdoor adventure
[26:41] committee meeting in November.
[26:43] >> I don't know when they meet but um
[26:45] >> that was the issue with that.
[26:47] >> We're looking at that of whether or not
[26:48] how we how we can advise how we can
[26:51] notify them how the notification occurs
[26:54] and so we're we're actively working on
[26:56] that. the next meeting is likely
[26:58] >> because it's possible we might have
[26:59] another advisory council meeting before
[27:03] then. Obviously, we're going to have at
[27:04] least one for the grants. So, we might
[27:07] have two meetings maybe.
[27:08] >> So, we could take this up and have it as
[27:11] just an agenda item.
[27:12] >> And and the other part of that is if we
[27:14] as a council vote to support it, just
[27:18] adds it adds it adds some more strength
[27:21] and back to it with that. So,
[27:23] >> yeah, I like that.
[27:26] So, we don't have this as an action. Um,
[27:28] I don't know if you guys I mean,
[27:31] >> refer to to council on on adding action
[27:34] items. I don't think you can.
[27:35] >> No, we're not we can't add anything.
[27:37] >> So, but we can we can we've at least
[27:40] discussed what we will do procedurally.
[27:42] And so, we'll have this as an action
[27:45] agenda item on one of our very first
[27:47] meeting. Wonderful.
[27:49] >> Yeah. Any other comments from the online
[27:53] committee?
[27:56] about the process or
[27:58] >> I'd ask if any of them have any
[28:00] heartburn with it.
[28:01] >> Yeah. Any thoughts, thoughts? I mean,
[28:03] Jason, you said, "Yeah, you okay?"
[28:05] >> Yeah. I I'd like to read it, you know,
[28:08] um and and just kind of have it in front
[28:12] of me, you know, and stuff. I think I I
[28:14] still feel like there's some confusion,
[28:17] but I but I also see what Tai is saying,
[28:19] you know, and so I I guess I would like
[28:21] to read it, you know, and um once it
[28:24] comes out.
[28:27] >> Will we get that opportunity?
[28:31] >> You you will once we get it into the the
[28:33] publish when we submit it to admin
[28:36] rules.
[28:38] >> Okay.
[28:39] >> Is that or is that wrong? Correct me if
[28:41] I'm wrong, council.
[28:43] >> [laughter]
[28:44] >> Sorry to put you in this this issue.
[28:46] >> Uh, [clears throat] as far as I'm aware,
[28:48] there's no privilege with this document.
[28:50] If you would like to, you would be able
[28:52] to share it among the voting advisory
[28:54] committee before you notify the
[28:56] >> Okay.
[28:56] >> And label it as draft.
[28:58] >> Sure.
[28:59] >> Yes.
[28:59] >> we would do that. So, Nico and I, what
[29:01] I'll do is I'll do that and I can
[29:03] disperse this. Now, in the dispersal,
[29:06] I'm going to disperse it to each
[29:07] individual of that. If you have comments
[29:09] and whatever else that are not out
[29:11] they're outside of the meeting
[29:13] individually come respond back to me
[29:15] with this uh please and we need to
[29:17] adhere to the open public meetings. So
[29:20] don't be calling amongst in that because
[29:22] we don't want to violate open public
[29:24] meetings with that. I need your
[29:25] individual responses back.
[29:27] >> Okay.
[29:28] >> And I well I'll I'll make sure this is
[29:30] an agenda item next meeting.
[29:33] >> Yeah. Okay.
[29:34] >> You can have that there.
[29:35] >> What about Jen? You have any thoughts,
[29:38] Zach?
[29:40] >> No, I I agree with that approach. I also
[29:42] wanted to to read it before further
[29:44] comment. So, that's a great opportunity.
[29:46] >> Yeah, same. I'd like to read it, too.
[29:49] >> Adam,
[29:50] >> sounds good. I'll wait.
[29:53] >> Okay. All right. So, I think we got
[29:56] >> We got it. Like I said, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the the mood change out of
[30:01] this, but it it's I'm not actually I can
[30:05] kind of go through and say, you know,
[30:07] sometimes when you start something,
[30:09] you're like, oh, this isn't going to
[30:10] work. And then once you get in the
[30:13] middle of it, you kind of go through and
[30:15] go, okay, I'm starting to see something
[30:18] here kind of going, I think we're okay.
[30:20] And then they even know historical it's
[30:23] a rule. We can we can move we can move
[30:26] much faster. um in in that aspect. So,
[30:30] >> and we're not we're not going to be
[30:32] asked to provide a form at public
[30:34] hearing
[30:36] on this.
[30:37] >> Okay.
[30:38] >> The public hearing the notification to
[30:40] the advisory uh not advisory outdoor
[30:43] adventure commission um with it and the
[30:47] public hearing is actually what Utah
[30:49] administrative rules does when they post
[30:51] it and they post it for comment. So the
[30:55] just the comment but there won't be
[30:57] actual
[30:57] >> comments. We have some things that are
[30:59] blaring out of this that you guys all a
[31:01] sudden see some massive holes and then
[31:02] that's where we need to talk back and
[31:04] forth and look at this and say is is
[31:06] these are these concerns okay
[31:08] >> are these concerns that we need to be
[31:10] looking at and and really looking at. So
[31:12] it's nice we're going to have some
[31:15] in essence
[31:17] eyes on this of people that are very concerned about voting and voting
[31:20] safety across the state.
[31:22] Well, you know, as representative
[31:24] council, you know, we each represent
[31:26] constituency. So, it'll be part of our
[31:29] duty to share this information and get
[31:32] feedback from the voting community,
[31:34] right? So, how do we do that
[31:37] and not break any rules? Um, I would
[31:42] just recommend that let's keep this
[31:44] between the voting advisory council
[31:46] until we
[31:47] >> your chairs until it becomes
[31:51] » Yeah.
[31:52] >> until the public comment period opens.
[31:55] >> Correct.
[31:57] >> Okay. And do you have a timeline of when
[31:59] you're going to get this to the new
[32:01] commissioner for DNR?
[32:03] >> We got to go to the comm I Yeah, we're
[32:05] working on that currently right now.
[32:07] >> I was going to grab Ty right after this
[32:09] hearing.
[32:10] We're going to talk Drew. He wanted to
[32:11] talk last week with it and I actually
[32:13] took
[32:15] >> um let's see I took 37 hours off last
[32:19] week because I didn't bother with
[32:20] anything. This is the first time in a
[32:22] long time but I didn't want to answer my
[32:24] phone or do anything with that. So three
[32:27] hours out of that I did do some things
[32:28] and one of those was is communication to
[32:30] Nico saying can we push this to next
[32:32] week?
[32:33] >> [clears throat]
[32:34] >> So if if we have a meeting, let's say at
[32:36] the end of September for this group,
[32:38] would there be would it be ready for us
[32:40] to discuss at that point?
[32:42] >> Yeah, we could be this.
[32:43] >> I'm just trying to anticipate.
[32:45] >> Okay, thanks.
[32:46] >> All righty. So now next the next one's
[32:49] Cutler. Now Cutler's uh Cutler's still
[32:52] work in progress with some stuff as as
[32:54] Eve talked about with this. Um, kind of
[32:57] going back, I'm I'm remembering some
[32:59] things and kind of going through.
[33:02] Uh there was some changes in some
[33:04] language with this and it was a
[33:06] misunderstanding of what the A, B, and C
[33:09] sections were on Cutler with that and
[33:13] not knowing what those sections were and
[33:15] reading the current language of the of
[33:19] the uh
[33:23] I'm going to call it the precoid
[33:25] rule. I think that's a good way of
[33:27] saying the rule wasn't pre-COVID to what
[33:30] it was postcoid with that was that we
[33:33] didn't there wasn't an understanding and
[33:35] so as as we were reviewing things and we
[33:38] had a previous council work on this um
[33:42] there were changes to be able to show
[33:43] kind of fluent how it read and
[33:46] understanding because it seemed
[33:48] confusing. So, it was changed uh into
[33:50] what it is now, which basically
[33:52] restricts all motorized travel, all all
[33:56] motorized watercraft on there to be less
[33:58] than 35 horses um with it, which is
[34:01] incorrect. That is that is with only one
[34:03] particular section of of the reservoir.
[34:07] Um, we are
[34:09] reverting back maybe as close as we can
[34:12] get to that language, but we want to
[34:14] ensure that
[34:17] when I am when I am replaced
[34:22] and new council comes in and we open we
[34:25] do a law review with this that there's
[34:28] not going to be a repeat of what
[34:29] happened. So, we're making sure that
[34:31] there's the information behind it and where it can be understandable. So I
[34:36] may be just one or two extra little
[34:37] words in this and it's done in the back
[34:39] but it's we have a section
[34:43] which is basically for most all
[34:45] watercraft if I can remember with that.
[34:48] Eve you're gonna I'm not even going to
[34:50] speak with it because I can't even speak
[34:51] it the right way. Um but we have a
[34:54] section we have B section which has its
[34:56] restrictions and then we have a C
[34:57] section that has 35 horsepower or less.
[35:00] And a lot of that is because this is a
[35:02] shallow reservoir and we need to we need
[35:05] to be there with that. So, one of the
[35:07] new things that's going to be in there
[35:08] that we're investigating
[35:11] um is looking at
[35:15] use uses and andor types of activities
[35:19] andor particular hall types that we're
[35:23] trying to look at that can be on the on
[35:25] the body of water. And we're working
[35:27] through that piece as as as we speak
[35:30] with that and making sure that we're
[35:32] doing our our due diligence there. And
[35:35] we want to try to appease as much as we
[35:39] can that the managing agency and in
[35:41] essence the majority of the land owner
[35:44] shift that's around that that is that is
[35:47] taken in there with Pacific Core and
[35:49] that we're doing
[35:51] kind of doing as as we're asked and
[35:53] being consistent the way the place is
[35:54] signed already.
[35:57] But we need to be very careful because
[35:59] there's a lot of case law on this across
[36:02] the United States. We need to be awfully careful of how we approach it.
[36:06] So I know I'm being very loose and
[36:09] whatever else, but there's certain
[36:10] things I cannot present to you at this
[36:12] point in time that I only feel
[36:14] comfortable presenting to council.
[36:17] >> Okay.
[36:18] >> With you know when you'll have that
[36:20] information for us?
[36:21] >> Um we want to have that as soon as
[36:22] possible we can. We need Joe and I will
[36:25] be getting that.
[36:26] >> Um pretty interested to see how that
[36:29] lays out.
[36:30] >> Yeah.
[36:32] >> Should we ask Eve to
[36:34] >> Eve if Eve wants to give some comments
[36:36] on it? Maybe the explanation of what AB
[36:38] and C sections are and Pacific Core's
[36:42] reasoning in the past on this because
[36:45] this rule was created with my
[36:46] predecessor. Um so I think if we can
[36:50] default to Eve, I think that would be
[36:51] great on that aspect there. And then
[36:53] there's also some some public safety and
[36:56] public health issues that we're we're
[36:58] that's what we're investigating with the activities and then the hall types
[37:02] as we do that.
[37:04] >> Cutler is just like a real interesting
[37:06] mosaic of issues.
[37:08] >> There is a lot of stuff with color in
[37:10] there with that. And so I am learning
[37:12] every day and every day I talk about Eve
[37:14] with this one here. So it's it's it's
[37:17] kind of neat. But if we wanted we can
[37:19] turn
[37:19] >> Yeah. I mean, Eve and I had spoken what
[37:23] about two weeks ago, two and a half
[37:25] weeks ago, and boy, I mean, I was
[37:28] overwhelmed almost, right? Because it
[37:29] was just a phone call. Here it all is.
[37:31] And I've known you for years. And it's
[37:34] like, wow, Cutler has a lot
[37:38] >> to deal with. And this mixup in the rule
[37:42] change from a few years ago, there's
[37:45] also a FK permit that they're going to
[37:47] be reapplying for. Um, and so there's
[37:50] that's going to open up for some other
[37:54] rule changes and restrictions. And
[37:56] conservation
[37:58] is an issue up there with the wetlands.
[38:00] There's the sewer plant issue, the hung
[38:03] blooms issue, the nitrogen stirring up
[38:06] the sediments, bank erosion.
[38:11] It's got everything.
[38:12] >> Yeah.
[38:12] >> So, Eve, would you like to go ahead? I I
[38:15] know you weren't prepared to do a
[38:16] presentation today, but you want to go
[38:18] ahead and talk about it?
[38:20] >> Yeah, I'm I'm not sure I have a way to
[38:22] share the actual map with you, but I can
[38:25] just tell you a little bit about I've
[38:27] been involved um at Cutler since 1998. I
[38:31] can't believe that. Uh since we're
[38:33] implementing the last license, and as
[38:35] Jeff said, we are we're actually waiting
[38:37] right now. Um FK's a little overdue on
[38:40] our new license there, but we would
[38:42] expect to have that
[38:45] um anytime. I've been saying any day now
[38:47] for like the last 600 days. So, um so,
[38:51] uh we'd anticipate getting the new
[38:53] license very soon. Um but as a you know,
[38:57] just part of general recreation that
[38:59] we've been um managing there over over
[39:02] all this long time. Um I started getting
[39:05] phone calls this year with people being
[39:07] confused about those three sections of
[39:09] the reservoir that Ty was mentioning.
[39:10] So, um I apologize I don't have a way to
[39:13] share a visual with you, but it's quite
[39:15] simple if you're familiar with Cutler at
[39:17] all. It's a large uh wetland reservoir
[39:21] complex and as Tai noted um the the
[39:25] depth of reservo of the reservoir
[39:27] actually remarkably um shallow. It's a
[39:30] shallow water emergent marsh system. Um
[39:34] the reservoir depth in the south
[39:37] uh portion of the marsh so south of Ben
[39:40] Marinaria if you're familiar with that
[39:41] area um is actually less than um than 2
[39:45] feet deep and the reservoir the entire
[39:48] reservoir average depth of the entire
[39:50] reservoir is less than four feet. So
[39:52] it's a really shallow water. There are a
[39:55] few deeper spots but there's really no
[39:57] place um that is that is particularly
[40:00] deep. So that just means you have to
[40:01] know the reservoir pretty well. Um some
[40:04] people do people who who go there or
[40:06] they use it for very shallow water um
[40:08] recreation. But the three sections of
[40:10] the reservoir basically we have um wake
[40:14] list and under 35 horsepower motors at
[40:17] all times year round from um the old
[40:21] railroad dyke which is just south of Ben
[40:23] Marina all the way south through the
[40:24] southern portions of the reservoir. And
[40:27] then we have um from that point north we
[40:32] have um
[40:34] >> safe you know any safe motor
[40:38] excuse me safe speeds and any motor
[40:40] size. And then in where the bear river
[40:43] from the confluence of the of the bear
[40:46] river with the reservoir and up to the
[40:48] limits of the FK project boundary. um
[40:52] that area of the Bear River itself is
[40:55] actually
[40:57] um
[40:59] seasonally restricted um because people
[41:01] like to duck hunt in that area. So that
[41:03] area is wakeless and under 35 horsepower
[41:06] motors just during the fall season um
[41:10] well basically from September through
[41:13] January. Um it to allow for traditional
[41:17] duck hunting recreation. So, there's a
[41:20] lot of recreation that takes place
[41:21] there. A lot of hunting, a lot of um
[41:26] uh paddle boarding and canoeing and
[41:29] kaying and some water skiing um in those
[41:33] areas north of Benson Marina and uh but
[41:36] also a lot of other people who just go
[41:37] to walk their dogs or go fishing or
[41:40] there's a remarkable amount of use
[41:41] especially for such a um
[41:45] a unusual reservoir system. really
[41:47] doesn't look much like a traditional
[41:49] reservoir that you might imagine in
[41:51] northern Utah. So, uh, so just trying to
[41:54] get the verbiage at this in the state
[41:59] administrative record to match what we
[42:01] already have out there on all of the
[42:03] signs. I think that's our first
[42:04] challenge. And then, um, Tai's alluded
[42:07] to the fact that there's some other
[42:08] issues that we're looking at at the same
[42:10] time. But I think the first part of that
[42:13] is just a very simple um really
[42:15] literally um clarifying with a very few
[42:19] short Oh, wow. Somebody's so clever
[42:21] there. Thank you. How did you [laughter]
[42:24] >> know that? Nico and Dor did this.
[42:29] >> Wonderful. Thank you. So the the right
[42:31] there shown in green, that's the area
[42:33] where I'm saying there's feedal
[42:34] restrictions. So that's basically the
[42:36] end of that. It's not the end of the
[42:37] Bear River. It's just the end of our FK
[42:39] project boundary. So outlined in pink,
[42:41] that's the entire FK project boundary.
[42:43] The area in a more turquoise or light
[42:45] blue. Um it's a little bit narrower, you
[42:48] can see there, and extends up into
[42:50] Cutler Canyon and around towards the
[42:52] dam. Um uh that area is where um we have
[42:57] yearround uh no motorcycle restrictions
[43:01] nor uh nor wakeless restrictions.
[43:04] Although, as you can see from the um we
[43:08] actually measured how narrow the
[43:10] reservoir is up there in the canyon,
[43:12] it's it's really only about 100 yards
[43:14] wide in some of the narrower points. Um
[43:17] so I think state law does have some
[43:20] restrictions on what kind of wakes you
[43:21] can have in those very narrow areas, but
[43:24] regardless on that. And then in the
[43:25] deeper blue area, you can see that
[43:28] extends down and across south of um of
[43:31] Highway 30 there that goes across. So to
[43:34] the right of this map um you'd find
[43:36] Logan and and the uh the new water
[43:41] treatment center that's there and then
[43:43] to the left that's the highway heading
[43:45] up and over the hill towards Tmont. So
[43:48] um in the deep blue that's the area
[43:49] where there are year round wakeless um
[43:52] wakeless speeds and year round
[43:55] motorcycle restrictions there. So those
[43:57] are the three areas that um I was
[43:59] referring to.
[44:02] Can you share that with us?
[44:04] >> Yes, I can.
[44:09] » We were just discussing getting this uh
[44:12] image shared with all the other council
[44:14] members. So,
[44:16] >> perfect. And that's that's it's
[44:17] available on our website. I can send any
[44:19] additional information. I'm happy to
[44:21] answer any questions if people have
[44:23] questions, but um that's just real quick
[44:25] overview of the site there.
[44:29] Well, you know, and talking with Eve,
[44:32] you know, there are a lot of issues
[44:34] because they own the reservoir except
[44:36] for the navigable channel, right, of the
[44:39] river, which is forest, fire, state
[44:41] lands, public land. And so there's, you
[44:45] know, when you put restrictions,
[44:48] you have to, you put the restrictions
[44:50] where people launch and they have to
[44:51] launch from private land in order to get
[44:54] to the public navigable area. So you
[44:58] have this legal dilemma of you know the private property owner can enforce
[45:05] whatever rules they have that people are
[45:08] going to be claiming we have the right
[45:10] to access the navigable channel and the
[45:13] channel is even too shallow for a lot of
[45:15] the link boats that are trying to use
[45:18] that area
[45:20] and you know there's even I were talking
[45:22] about a lot of the erosion control
[45:26] issues which you know it's a big issue
[45:28] statewide with the reservoir is erosion
[45:32] uh from motorboats and so I think
[45:35] there's a lot there's there's a lot here
[45:38] for sure that we need to be familiarized
[45:41] with and I really appreciate your taking
[45:43] the time because she was not going to be
[45:45] available today but here she is making
[45:47] the presentation anyway [laughter]
[45:51] any uh questions for Ty or Eve from
[45:56] anybody from the Council
[45:58] >> George.
[46:00] >> No, I think the the map's pretty that's
[46:03] the explanatory part that kind of puts
[46:06] the visual to the description.
[46:10] >> So, and that's pretty handy.
[46:14] >> Adam being the motorboat rep.
[46:18] >> No, I I think it's I think the maps uh
[46:21] it's pretty easy to read. I don't vote
[46:22] on Cutler, so I don't know it very well.
[46:25] Um But I guess is there confusion with
[46:28] people not knowing where they can and
[46:30] cannot go?
[46:32] >> I I I think that the confusion just stem
[46:35] from um you know I think everybody here
[46:39] would understand that there's if there's
[46:41] going to be a large number of users
[46:44] there's going to occasionally be
[46:45] conflict between those users. So, I
[46:47] think that the real issue happened that
[46:50] um
[46:52] some people who had newly discovered
[46:54] Cutler Reservoir, I know because I've
[46:56] talked to both parties, but um they had
[46:58] kind of newly discovered Cutler
[47:00] Reservoir and they weren't super happy
[47:02] that they felt like their fishing was
[47:04] being disturbed by motorized use. And um
[47:09] the rules in that map that you just saw,
[47:11] those are all posted there um on the on
[47:15] the sign boards. So the people who were
[47:17] enjoying uh the voting use that they had
[47:20] been doing for many years at that point
[47:23] were clear on what the what the rules
[47:25] were. somebody who was unhappy with that
[47:29] use called law enforcement after they
[47:32] looked on the website not or not the
[47:34] Cutler website but on the states um
[47:39] I don't Ty what would you even call that
[47:41] like basically the reg the rules the
[47:42] administrative rules part of the of the
[47:45] state language and um and they found
[47:50] what Tai described to you which that was
[47:52] simply just
[47:53] >> an error in transcription is how I would
[47:56] look at
[47:57] And so and so they they called law
[48:01] enforcement and said, "Hey, there's
[48:02] people here who aren't supposed to be
[48:03] here." Even though
[48:06] what was written on the state
[48:07] administrative rule was an error, what
[48:09] was there on site was correct. So I
[48:11] started getting calls and that's I was
[48:13] like, "Wait, what?" Um, no, that that
[48:16] use is okay. But anyway, so uh it just
[48:18] that's that's how we discovered that
[48:20] there was concern.
[48:25] So what what do we do at this point in
[48:28] time
[48:30] as an advisory council
[48:32] >> as this I think we'll wait until we're
[48:34] ready to to put out language
[48:36] >> okay
[48:36] >> at this point in time and then as soon
[48:38] as we get
[48:40] to where we're comfortable to to push
[48:42] the to push the language out we will do
[48:44] so but again this will follow the exact
[48:46] same thing structure with this is when
[48:49] we are ready we are going We give this
[48:51] to to the commissioner. Now that's
[48:54] resources. We're going to move to the
[48:55] other adventure commission and give them
[48:57] notification and then proceed to move
[49:00] the rule um to administrative rules with
[49:03] that. Now out of this we're going to
[49:05] probably do some presubmission reviews
[49:07] with administrative rules because they
[49:10] administrative rules has a whole
[49:12] different type of language
[49:15] than what our statutorial language is. and he laughs because he knows
[49:20] exactly what I'm talking about. It does
[49:22] not fit the norm. So with that is we're
[49:25] trying to figure out we want to make
[49:26] sure that it's there so we're not in
[49:28] this back and forth stalemate and then
[49:31] what version is what they've given us an
[49:33] opportunity where we can have kind of a
[49:35] pre-check and then they come back with
[49:37] some feedback we fix. We send back for
[49:40] another pre-check and sometimes some
[49:42] other things pops up and it comes back.
[49:44] So we kind of have that kind of go
[49:46] through. So, it's kind of in essence, if
[49:47] you've ever written anything, it's like
[49:49] working with your editor. You know,
[49:50] they're going to see some something one
[49:52] day and then they're going to see
[49:53] something else the next day with that
[49:54] one. So, that's what we're working
[49:56] through on that. As soon as we get to
[49:58] where we're comfortable in that piece
[50:00] that we have something in that, then we
[50:02] can pass out a draft at that portion of
[50:04] the time to the advisory council and ask
[50:07] for for comments before we do that
[50:09] actual checks and submissions in that.
[50:13] And as you go through this iterative
[50:15] process, you're working with Pacific
[50:17] Core because it's largely a private
[50:19] reservoir,
[50:21] >> right? So
[50:22] >> essentially they could impose
[50:23] >> a lot a lot of this is we're we're in
[50:25] essence looking at what is currently
[50:28] signed there,
[50:29] >> the current uses that are there and we
[50:31] want to make sure that we're conveying
[50:33] the current uses the map of the AB and C
[50:36] sections that are on that. We've we've
[50:38] got that explicitly back which is
[50:40] basically what it was pre pre- change.
[50:44] Um I think it's like I said it's maybe
[50:46] one two three words difference in that
[50:49] just maybe fixes some of the nuances
[50:51] that was discovered by other council
[50:53] that didn't make sense out of that. And
[50:57] um so we've got that kind of we got that
[51:00] that's roll that's solid with it. The
[51:02] other the other portion we're trying to
[51:04] look at from a public health and public
[51:06] safety piece with this, we need to make
[51:08] sure that we have the right the right
[51:10] language and the right things in there.
[51:12] And there there there are there are
[51:15] hurdles that we're trying to look at and work through. And there's the
[51:20] conservation aspect, right, for some of
[51:22] the birds that use the marsh area. It
[51:26] have to be incorporated into those
[51:27] rules, right?
[51:29] >> So,
[51:30] >> yeah. And that was that that's actually
[51:32] a really good point, Jeeoff. That was
[51:34] the that was sort of the precursor to
[51:36] why we went to trying to ensure that
[51:40] there were areas of the reservoir that
[51:42] were available for um for motorized
[51:45] water sports, but also other areas. We
[51:47] have um sensitive wildlife species that
[51:49] are there, colonial nesting birds, 3% of
[51:52] the world's population of whitefaced
[51:53] ibis, a few other things that um so
[51:56] we're trying to balance all those
[51:58] different uses there um at the
[51:59] reservoir. So
[52:02] >> do you get a lot of personal watercraft
[52:04] use there?
[52:08] » So Jen, uh what do you what's your
[52:11] response on some of the discussion?
[52:14] >> Oh, that would be Zack.
[52:15] >> Oh, Zach.
[52:18] >> Well,
[52:18] >> yeah. No, I I I appreciate the very
[52:21] thorough overview and the conversation
[52:24] related to the issues at color. That was
[52:26] a thought that I had. I don't personally
[52:28] have a lot of knowledge of the
[52:29] reservoir, but I not being far, I do
[52:31] intend to stop by and see it for myself.
[52:34] So, it's a great call out, Jeff, and
[52:37] then to more about it.
[52:40] >> I think most most of the personal
[52:42] watercraft use tends to be in the river
[52:44] itself. So, in that that sea zone there
[52:47] that we that we looked at. Um, but
[52:49] there, you know, just because I think
[52:51] you have to really know the reservoir to
[52:53] be in uh in anything with a deeper hole
[52:56] that's going to go fast at all. So,
[53:00] >> and you still have to launch from the
[53:02] privately held launch sites.
[53:04] >> So, you still have to follow.
[53:07] >> So, we own all of that land. Part of our
[53:09] FIRK license um
[53:13] uh is what incorporates the public use
[53:16] into that. We welcome the public. We
[53:18] want for people to come and use the
[53:19] site. So, we have a number of recreation
[53:21] sites there. Depending on how you count,
[53:23] there's areas where you can go and just
[53:25] hike or walk. There's two areas where
[53:28] you can only access those by boat.
[53:30] There's some canoe trails and then
[53:33] there's a couple of areas that are
[53:35] slightly more developed. There's nothing
[53:36] fancy there color, but you know, we have
[53:38] little picnic shelters and picnic tables
[53:41] and couple areas where you can launch um
[53:44] you know, with a trailer, you know, back
[53:46] in a boat down ramp. um into the
[53:48] reservoir. So we have about 15 total,
[53:52] you know, different small use
[53:55] types and areas that are laid out there.
[54:02] » Okay. And then Craig had his hand up.
[54:04] Craig,
[54:08] » yeah, I just I wanted to point out that,
[54:11] you know, this this seems controversial
[54:13] right now. Um, apparently I I don't
[54:16] think it should be and I think it really
[54:19] is a good example of what the future of
[54:21] voting in Utah is probably going to look
[54:22] like when we're either all retired or
[54:25] too long in the two. Um, we're getting
[54:29] to a point right now where partitioning
[54:31] of use is going to be an important way
[54:33] that we manage boating in Utah. And I
[54:36] think Eve pointed out, there are
[54:38] different voters out there. Um, people
[54:41] use the resource differently and we need
[54:43] to make sure that everybody has a place
[54:46] to play. So, I commend you guys. Well,
[54:49] in advance of this issue ever being a
[54:51] thing that was, you know, called for,
[54:54] you made a call to partition use, which
[54:56] was pretty cool.
[54:57] >> Yeah, thank you. We've really tried
[54:59] hard. We we do welcome um, you know, a
[55:01] variety of different uses. Not every use
[55:04] is compatible with Cutler just because
[55:05] it's so shallow, but for anything that
[55:07] is compatible, we want people to come.
[55:09] We want them to enjoy it. So, and we get
[55:11] a remarkable amount of use to be honest.
[55:13] It's the numbers, you know, I um as part
[55:16] of our FK relicensing, we did studies of
[55:19] the FK by literally, excuse me, of the
[55:22] FK uh recreation sites by simply just
[55:24] putting car counters in and I the
[55:27] numbers are still eye popping to me. So,
[55:32] >> well, I think this is a great dialogue.
[55:35] Um, thank you, Eve. Appreciate it. Nico,
[55:37] did you have any other
[55:38] >> Thank you.
[55:40] >> No thoughts as of now.
[55:42] Speak with my client first.
[55:45] >> It's heard me talk, right? I'm a legal
[55:47] system. I know.
[55:50] >> Okay. Um, any further comments,
[55:52] questions to Ty or Eve or
[55:57] Okay. Um, we're anticipating uh Justin
[56:01] Anderson from Auggan City joining us any
[56:05] moment now. Um I don't see him on the
[56:08] list just yet. So um maybe we could take
[56:14] a couple of minutes and talk about
[56:16] >> there is real quickly just before I'd
[56:18] like to mention that Kent Kent wanted to
[56:22] do public comment
[56:24] that
[56:25] >> let's go ahead and allow him to do that
[56:27] now.
[56:28] >> Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I don't mind.
[56:31] Singleton, um can you hear us?
[56:36] Is your microphone going?
[56:40] [clears throat]
[56:47] Hello, Kent.
[56:50] I s I saw the message that he was unable
[56:52] to use his camera.
[56:54] >> Yeah, we can revisit three minute until
[56:58] uh we get done with the next agenda
[57:00] item. Okay, so our next agenda item,
[57:03] Justin Anderson, uh the city manager of
[57:05] Ogden City, thank you for taking the
[57:08] time and joining with us today. Um
[57:11] there's a lot of interest in what's
[57:14] happening at Pine View with the pipeline
[57:16] crossing uh impact to fishing impact to
[57:19] recreational boating. And so I've asked
[57:23] you to kind of talk to us and help us
[57:26] understand the the nature of the
[57:29] project, the purpose, the timeline, the
[57:31] impacts, and to dispel any uh
[57:35] misunderstandings that might be out
[57:37] there in the public social media world.
[57:40] So uh I'd welcome you Justin and I'd
[57:44] like to turn some time over to you. Did you get the presentation from this?
[57:49] >> Yes, I have it. So, whatever works
[57:51] easiest for you, Justin, if you want to
[57:53] share or if you want me to share.
[57:55] >> Yeah. Here, let me I I can share the
[57:58] screen. Can you guys hear me? Okay.
[58:01] >> Yes.
[58:02] >> Okay, perfect.
[58:03] >> Yeah. When I got on, I my camera
[58:05] wouldn't work either, so I had to make
[58:07] some adjustments and I wasn't sure if my
[58:09] audio was still working correctly. Um,
[58:11] yes, I'm I'm Justin Anderson. I'm the
[58:13] Ogden City Public Services Executive
[58:15] Director. And so one of the divisions
[58:17] that I am over is the water utility for
[58:20] Ogden City. So I am going to share my
[58:25] screen here.
[58:28] Let's see.
[58:35] Select a tab to share.
[58:39] I'm worried. Let's see.
[58:53] I don't know if it's connecting right
[58:55] for me. If you have it, can you just
[58:57] bring it up and then I can talk to that
[59:00] might easier than just wasting
[59:01] everybody's time.
[59:10] » Ah, perfect.
[59:12] So, actually, can you go up one more
[59:14] slide?
[59:15] >> Yes.
[59:16] >> Yeah.
[59:17] >> Just before you start, just to also uh
[59:20] let everybody know Chris Kenny from the
[59:23] Division of Wildlife Resources, Northern
[59:25] Region Biologist who's been uh working
[59:28] with um um
[59:32] I can't remember your other biologist
[59:34] name all of a sudden. Taylor Stewart,
[59:36] right?
[59:37] >> You got it. Yep.
[59:39] >> So, u Chris Penny is on the call also
[59:42] and is available to provide some
[59:45] information from the wildlife division.
[59:47] So go ahead Justin.
[59:49] >> Yeah. So again this is our our
[59:52] transmission line project um that we're
[59:54] working on that provides essentially
[59:57] culinary water to all of a city and plus
[1:00:00] we also wholesale water to other water
[1:00:04] providers. So that'll serve probably
[1:00:06] about an additional 30,000 people. Um,
[1:00:09] and so do you want to go down to the
[1:00:11] next slide?
[1:00:15] Yeah. So, just a little history of what
[1:00:19] this project is. And so,
[1:00:22] back essentially a long time ago when
[1:00:24] Pioneers showed up, there was there was
[1:00:26] a there was water in this area and Ogden
[1:00:28] City obtained those rights. And and and
[1:00:31] this picture that you're seeing of of
[1:00:33] this artisian wellfield is actually the
[1:00:36] bottom of Pine View Reservoir. And so
[1:00:40] let's see, can I see some pictures? Um,
[1:00:43] so this this was a well filled and and
[1:00:46] this is how Ogden City got all of our
[1:00:48] water. And and really still today how we get the majority of our water. And
[1:00:53] you can see in the background of the of
[1:00:55] that bottom picture too, um there there
[1:00:58] was actually a a rail car line that
[1:01:00] actually traversed the entire canyon and
[1:01:03] it it went up here and it got to what
[1:01:05] was called Artisian Park. And so this
[1:01:08] was a picture of 1920 of of that. Um if
[1:01:13] you want to uh go to the next slide.
[1:01:20] So yeah, so historically then uh you
[1:01:22] know Pine View Dam was constructed in
[1:01:25] 1934 and when that was constructed and
[1:01:28] you can see that that top right picture
[1:01:30] was the the construction of the dam and
[1:01:33] so again the the reservoir area started
[1:01:35] to be you know underwater and so it
[1:01:38] affected where our well field was and so
[1:01:41] those wells were kind of moved and then
[1:01:45] um at that same time the city
[1:01:47] constructed an additional uh pipe line
[1:01:50] down Ogden Canyon within that old
[1:01:52] railroad alignment. Initially, there was
[1:01:55] an old the init the the first line was
[1:01:57] an old woodstate pipe um believe it or
[1:02:00] not down the canyon and then there was a line installed in 1914
[1:02:05] um that traversed essentially right
[1:02:06] where the roadway goes all the way down
[1:02:08] Ogden Canyon and Ogden City replaced
[1:02:10] that line. It was a hundred years later
[1:02:13] in in 2014 we we replaced that line. And
[1:02:16] so this this 36 inch line um a new
[1:02:20] additional one got laid right along that
[1:02:23] old railroad alignment. And so it kind
[1:02:25] of crisscrosses down through the canyon
[1:02:28] and it also went all the way up around
[1:02:30] above the top of where the reservoir was
[1:02:33] where our wells were moved. And then
[1:02:36] Pine View Reservoir got raised again in
[1:02:38] 1955.
[1:02:40] Um and so that affected uh how we
[1:02:43] operated. And from what I understand is
[1:02:46] in in that era too, the the reservoir
[1:02:49] would get lowered or essentially every
[1:02:51] year um drained or whatever you want to
[1:02:54] term it so that we could have access to
[1:02:56] maintain our facilities. And so that would happen almost every year. And
[1:03:01] then again, and that this is the picture
[1:03:04] in the bottom right in 1970.
[1:03:07] Um, the dam was raised again. And so at
[1:03:10] the time that that was raised, our our
[1:03:13] wells got moved over on essentially
[1:03:16] would be on the norththeast side of the
[1:03:18] reservoir or just on the north side of
[1:03:21] the middle inlet on the east side.
[1:03:23] There's a peninsula right there. And so
[1:03:26] every time this happened and our well
[1:03:28] fields got moved, there was an agreement
[1:03:31] between um Ogden City then the Bureau of
[1:03:35] Reclamation and it also affected um the
[1:03:37] Ogden River Water Users Association and then in 1970 also we based
[1:03:50] » Okay.
[1:03:53] Um, you want to go to the next slide?
[1:03:58] So, that brings us to where we were at
[1:04:01] today and and this is on the the
[1:04:03] pipeline replacement project. So, this
[1:04:04] is uh actually work that was done
[1:04:07] earlier this spring um through one of
[1:04:10] the the neighborhoods in the canyon, but
[1:04:13] again, it's within where this old rail
[1:04:16] road alignment was. And so the pipeline
[1:04:20] um that goes through Ogden Canyon is 90
[1:04:23] plus years old. Um it was installed
[1:04:25] before the the dam was first
[1:04:28] constructed.
[1:04:30] And so then when after the in 1970
[1:04:35] approximately when the dam was raised up
[1:04:37] again and underway the and the
[1:04:40] wellfields got moved. You can see in the
[1:04:42] bottom left that that's kind of shows
[1:04:44] the entire uh alignment of this project.
[1:04:48] And so it's over seven miles long. You
[1:04:50] can kind of see across Pine View
[1:04:51] Reservoir. It's thicker. And we'll we'll
[1:04:53] look at this in greater detail in just a
[1:04:55] second. But when when that was done and
[1:04:59] through agreement, um our our well
[1:05:02] fields were moved to again kind of that
[1:05:04] northeast side of that peninsula right
[1:05:06] there and it got installed underneath
[1:05:10] the the reservoir at that time.
[1:05:14] So our our project that we're doing it's approximately hund00 million. Um we
[1:05:19] received funding through loans through
[1:05:22] the EPA or the WHIA program of the EPA.
[1:05:26] We also received loans from the state
[1:05:28] revolving fund. We received also some money and from the the division of
[1:05:36] drinking water uh in the state of Utah
[1:05:39] as well when we transferred some of our
[1:05:43] rights within Pine View Reservoir, a
[1:05:46] 1500 acre feet a year for the next 15
[1:05:49] years to feed into Willard Bay, the
[1:05:52] Willard Spur at the time. and uh that it
[1:05:56] is uh requested every year. So
[1:06:01] um you want to go to the next slide.
[1:06:06] So this is the the reservoir segment
[1:06:09] right here that um of where it it
[1:06:11] crossed. So essentially we go from that
[1:06:14] peninsula all the way over and we go
[1:06:16] right next to just on the south side of
[1:06:18] Port Ramp. Um I think most everybody's
[1:06:21] probably familiar with that and that's
[1:06:22] right where that line crossed. And so in
[1:06:25] preparing for this work um which we've
[1:06:28] been actually working on for a long time
[1:06:31] we've been working probably for about 13
[1:06:33] years on this project to go through
[1:06:36] Ogden Canyon. And so when this this
[1:06:41] particular portion of the project was
[1:06:42] actually slated not for this year but
[1:06:45] for the following year in the 2027
[1:06:48] the the fall of 27. And so with the
[1:06:51] historic low snow pack that we've had um
[1:06:54] this last year and with coordinating
[1:06:57] with both the the Bureau of Reclamation,
[1:07:00] the Ogden River water users and also
[1:07:02] Weaver Basin and other stakeholders,
[1:07:05] um we felt that the the the timing of
[1:07:07] this with the the port ramp being closed
[1:07:11] um and everything else and with the
[1:07:14] reservoir level of where it was going to
[1:07:15] be, and we're going to talk about that
[1:07:16] in just a minute, we felt like it would
[1:07:19] be better to go through this year when
[1:07:21] the reservoir was already going to be
[1:07:23] low and it was already going to be drawn
[1:07:24] down pretty close to where we would need
[1:07:26] it anyways and to to do the work this
[1:07:30] year and to also then coordinate with
[1:07:33] the port ramp improvements. That's one
[1:07:35] of the things that we're we've been
[1:07:36] doing with the Forest Service is they
[1:07:38] were going to only do a portion of
[1:07:41] fixing the port ramp. And so we are
[1:07:44] working with them and utilizing our
[1:07:46] contractor
[1:07:48] um that we essentially all of the port
[1:07:50] ramp if if the Forest Service comes
[1:07:53] through with their money, which I think
[1:07:54] they are, should get replaced. And so
[1:07:57] we're trying to take care of everything
[1:07:59] all at once. And so this reservoir
[1:08:02] doesn't have to be drawn down here
[1:08:04] multiple years.
[1:08:07] So you want to go to the next slide?
[1:08:11] Yeah. So, this is uh what we're
[1:08:13] proposing um right now is we're going to
[1:08:18] look to install a new a 48 in HDP
[1:08:22] transmission line from our well field
[1:08:25] across the reservoir um on the south
[1:08:28] side of the port ramp and then connect
[1:08:30] back up with the work that we're doing.
[1:08:32] The picture on the right is actually
[1:08:34] work that we did about a year ago um
[1:08:38] going on the west side of the reservoir
[1:08:42] and this was along Highway 158 down
[1:08:45] towards the dam. And so that's that's
[1:08:47] already work that has been completed.
[1:08:50] But we are looking to when we install
[1:08:52] the new HDPE line, we're also going to
[1:08:56] look to get the other line also fixed.
[1:09:00] And so one thing that we don't know is
[1:09:03] we haven't been able to look at this
[1:09:04] line ever since it was installed. So we
[1:09:08] cannot turn this line off ever and for a
[1:09:11] couple different reasons. One, if it
[1:09:13] gets turned off, we don't deliver water.
[1:09:17] Two, if we don't keep positive pressure
[1:09:19] on this line, we run the risk because we
[1:09:22] don't know the condition of it. We run
[1:09:25] the risk of could water actually
[1:09:27] infiltrate back into this line. And so
[1:09:30] there's just so many unknowns. And
[1:09:32] again, this this water line essentially
[1:09:35] provides drinking water to
[1:09:38] 130,000 people. So we we understand the need for it and how critical it is
[1:09:45] in supplying this this line. So once we
[1:09:48] have that new line in place, um we also
[1:09:51] want to take the old line and we want to
[1:09:55] basically fix some bends in it so that
[1:09:58] we can pull a uh like a you know as
[1:10:03] large as we can get. It might be a 24
[1:10:05] inch inside diameter pipeline. Slip line
[1:10:07] it with as large a diameter as we can
[1:10:09] get. It might be a little larger than
[1:10:11] 24, but if we can get that through. So,
[1:10:14] one that'll have some redundancy so that
[1:10:17] if we if we have to, we can shut shut a
[1:10:20] line down and work on another line by
[1:10:23] slip lining it or at least getting in to
[1:10:25] camera it or or pressurize it and
[1:10:27] isolate it and know if there's anything
[1:10:30] wrong with the pipeline. Right now, we
[1:10:32] can't do that. And so, the we need to
[1:10:37] supply in the peak season. We need at
[1:10:39] least a 36 inch pipeline. That's how the
[1:10:42] system's designed. That's the water
[1:10:44] delivery we need coming from this well
[1:10:47] field. And so even though the the the
[1:10:51] slip line pipeline will be smaller than
[1:10:53] that in in the winter time or off peak
[1:10:56] times, we could probably meet the demand
[1:10:59] um of of our city of what we need to
[1:11:02] supply. It's not the demand lowers
[1:11:04] greatly come October through through
[1:11:08] about May, end of April. So we feel like
[1:11:11] that provides us some redundancy to for delivery of water.
[1:11:17] If you go to the next slide.
[1:11:23] So this kind of show is a map of of Pine
[1:11:26] View and as you guys are all aware and
[1:11:29] so again you can see where Pine View
[1:11:30] Reservoir spilled. Now, the the line
[1:11:34] green is essentially if we look at where
[1:11:36] the reservoir was in 2021,
[1:11:40] that's that's where this was. Now, that
[1:11:44] being said, we we felt fairly confident
[1:11:46] that it might not be exactly at the same
[1:11:49] elevation, but it was going to get very
[1:11:51] close. Again, this was the the lowest
[1:11:55] snow pack year we've had on record by
[1:11:57] actually quite a long ways. And so there
[1:12:00] might have been a little more water
[1:12:01] going into the reservoir this year or
[1:12:04] being held in the reservoir this year
[1:12:06] than there was in in 2021, but we felt
[1:12:10] we feel fairly confident that it it was
[1:12:14] going to be close to this, maybe even a little less than this. Where we
[1:12:18] need the reservoir to be to do our
[1:12:20] pipeline is the the blue color. And so
[1:12:23] it's roughly the difference of about was
[1:12:26] going to be about 15 feet. And so with that being so close, we felt that
[1:12:33] if we utilized the the low water level
[1:12:36] this year to get in, do our work, and
[1:12:39] get out of there so that the reservoir
[1:12:42] could start to refill by January 1st.
[1:12:46] And if you look at the the capacity of
[1:12:48] the reservoir, it's about 110,000 acre
[1:12:52] feet. Now, a normal snow pack that feeds
[1:12:55] into Pine View on a normal snow year
[1:12:58] will put in about a just under that
[1:13:00] about 109,000 acre feet. And so, what we
[1:13:04] didn't want to do is miss out on the
[1:13:07] where the mother nature was naturally
[1:13:08] going to have the reservoir lowered
[1:13:10] anyways of and affecting those lower
[1:13:14] levels, then have a good snow year. And
[1:13:16] again, we don't know if it's going to be
[1:13:18] a good snow year or not. Nobody does.
[1:13:20] But
[1:13:22] we we do feel like if that happened,
[1:13:25] there wouldn't be an appetite or people
[1:13:26] would be very frustrated that we didn't
[1:13:29] utilize the the lower elevation of the
[1:13:32] reservoir to do this work. And so that's
[1:13:35] why we we've looked to to move forward
[1:13:37] this year.
[1:13:40] Um yeah, do you want to go to the next
[1:13:42] slide? I think this is the last slide
[1:13:43] coming up. Yeah. So, we have again a lot
[1:13:47] of questions on this pipeline and there are a lot of questions that people
[1:13:50] have and so this is uh you can go to
[1:13:53] agnc city pipeline.com
[1:13:56] um you can email info aug city pipeline
[1:13:58] scan that QR code or call but that if
[1:14:01] you go to the the website there are a
[1:14:04] lot of questions listed on there with
[1:14:06] answers of of why the project you know
[1:14:10] why now um what we're trying to
[1:14:13] accomplish essentially the information
[1:14:14] I've gone over and and any other
[1:14:17] question that people have raised. So,
[1:14:20] and with that, I'm happy to answer any
[1:14:22] questions.
[1:14:26] » Any questions from members of the
[1:14:28] council?
[1:14:29] >> So, I have a question. What's the expect
[1:14:32] what's the expected
[1:14:34] >> the life expectancy of the new pipeline?
[1:14:37] When when would this happen again?
[1:14:39] >> Yeah, that that is a great question. And
[1:14:41] so we we're using an HDPE pipe both on a
[1:14:45] new pipe and as a liner. Now we've overs
[1:14:48] we're going to oversize the new pipe
[1:14:49] that we're putting in. And the reason
[1:14:51] why we're going to do that is so in the
[1:14:53] future having this redundancy built in
[1:14:57] if it's needed. And again, this HDP pipe
[1:15:00] I expect to last hundreds of years. Um
[1:15:03] but we can slip line that new pipe.
[1:15:05] We're going to put it in in a way that
[1:15:07] we can pull a new HDP line in using that
[1:15:10] as as essentially a casing. And the the
[1:15:14] older pipe, um, it's an older steel
[1:15:16] pipe. And again, we're going to get our
[1:15:18] eyes on that here pretty soon. And the
[1:15:21] idea would be is because now we have
[1:15:23] some redundancy and and being able to do
[1:15:26] work in the in the wintertime and be
[1:15:28] able to feed the the flow that we need,
[1:15:31] the volume of water, that that would
[1:15:34] allow for that. and and the new that
[1:15:36] pipe. We we are going to do it in a way
[1:15:38] that the existing host pipe that we're
[1:15:40] going to line essentially would like to
[1:15:42] be able to just pull that line if it
[1:15:44] ever needs to be pull the old line out
[1:15:46] and pull a new line in at the same time.
[1:15:49] So the idea would be is because we don't
[1:15:52] want to we don't want to be in the
[1:15:54] reservoir. We we don't want to lower the
[1:15:56] reservoir. We we understand how great
[1:15:58] the reservoir is and providing
[1:16:00] irrigation water and the benefits it is
[1:16:02] for everybody. But when this was done in
[1:16:04] 1970, not all those considerations were
[1:16:06] made. And so the idea would be is it
[1:16:09] would last a long long time.
[1:16:18] » Any other questions for Justin?
[1:16:21] >> This is Zach. Thanks so much, Justin,
[1:16:22] for the overview. I have a question.
[1:16:24] What What was the initial when this
[1:16:26] project was planned, as you mentioned,
[1:16:27] it's been in in process for several
[1:16:29] years. was was lowering the reservoir
[1:16:32] level to access the pipe. Was that
[1:16:33] always the plan?
[1:16:36] >> Um, so we actually went through an
[1:16:38] evaluation process that we looked at
[1:16:40] seven different options to do this and
[1:16:43] so and there there's been a lot of
[1:16:44] questions on that and so and I can go
[1:16:47] through that. One is why don't you just
[1:16:49] slip line the existing pipe? Well,
[1:16:51] there's a couple reasons. One, if we did
[1:16:53] that, we would have to shut down the
[1:16:55] pipe and so we would lose our feed. two
[1:16:59] is we we need at least a 36 inch ID to
[1:17:04] be able to provide the volume of water
[1:17:05] that we need for essentially the summer
[1:17:08] months. And so from a constructibility
[1:17:10] standpoint, that was rolled out. We
[1:17:13] looked at rerouting the pipeline all the
[1:17:16] way around the north end of the
[1:17:17] reservoir. Um the cost of rerouting that
[1:17:20] was almost the cost of doing this entire
[1:17:23] pipeline project from the wellfield all
[1:17:25] the way down to the mouth of the canyon.
[1:17:28] It was going to be around $75 million
[1:17:31] plus ongoing maintenance and adding
[1:17:33] that. And so that just the high cost
[1:17:35] that's not uh anything it made the
[1:17:38] affordability of the project into our
[1:17:40] rate payers unfeasible. Um we also
[1:17:44] looked at horizontal directional
[1:17:45] drilling in in two different ways. one
[1:17:48] to just drill with the the reservoir
[1:17:50] full and also if we were to drain the
[1:17:51] reservoir down. The issue that we ran
[1:17:54] into with the the horizontal directional
[1:17:56] drilling is the depth that they would
[1:17:59] want to drill this new pipeline in. It
[1:18:02] was at a depth that we felt would
[1:18:04] compromise our wellfield and we you know
[1:18:08] for that compromise of wellfield it
[1:18:10] would essentially there's no reason to
[1:18:12] be even doing the project. Um, and so we we ruled both of those out. Um, we
[1:18:20] also looked at lowering the reservoir to
[1:18:22] a certain elevation and using a barge,
[1:18:25] like a mounted barge. Uh, the the
[1:18:28] problem with that, again, that was
[1:18:30] probably not quite triple the cost, but
[1:18:33] it was more than doubled. And the the
[1:18:36] problem with the barge is we couldn't
[1:18:39] control the construction schedule.
[1:18:42] essentially it was going to extend the
[1:18:44] project out for a lot longer month-wise.
[1:18:48] Uh there's a lot of environmental
[1:18:49] impacts that could mess up with of how
[1:18:52] of doing that work. And so instead of
[1:18:55] being done in relatively, you know, say
[1:18:57] three months, it could be six months or
[1:19:00] eight months. The contractor couldn't
[1:19:02] verify and give us a a date certain on
[1:19:05] that. And so that the reservoir would
[1:19:08] have to be held down at a lower level.
[1:19:11] Anyways, now it wouldn't be as low as
[1:19:13] where we're going to be, but it would,
[1:19:15] you know, it might have been close to
[1:19:17] where 2021 elevation level was. And so,
[1:19:22] we felt like not knowing the snow pack
[1:19:24] or if we get a lot of water, then it
[1:19:27] would it could impact us in a way that
[1:19:29] we couldn't handle the the construction
[1:19:31] schedule. Um the other another one that
[1:19:35] we looked at was a temporary coffer dam
[1:19:37] construction. Essentially building a a
[1:19:41] dam at about 15 feet high and that was
[1:19:45] going to more than double the
[1:19:47] construction of the project. And so
[1:19:49] there was some li limits with uh again
[1:19:53] stability and pumping and and added some
[1:19:57] complexity that again we couldn't
[1:19:59] determine and and felt certain that we
[1:20:02] could get across the reservoir in the
[1:20:04] time that we needed to.
[1:20:11] » Thank you. Appreciate that.
[1:20:12] >> Yeah.
[1:20:15] to see Craig.
[1:20:19] » Craig Walker.
[1:20:21] >> Hey, Justin. How are you?
[1:20:23] >> Good. Craig, good to see you again.
[1:20:24] >> Good seeing you. Hey, um I just wanted
[1:20:27] to know, you know, George alluded to
[1:20:29] lifespan from a structural standpoint.
[1:20:33] From a per capita consumption
[1:20:35] standpoint, with the anticipated growth
[1:20:38] in Ogden, what do you see as the
[1:20:40] lifespan of this transmission line with
[1:20:42] the added capacity of, you know, being
[1:20:44] able to potentially use both lines
[1:20:46] simultaneously? Are you accommodating
[1:20:48] that growth? So what we are limited by
[1:20:52] the rights that we have to the wealth
[1:20:55] field and so we we have a cap on only
[1:20:57] being able to pump I want to say 22 and
[1:21:00] a half MGD
[1:21:02] um with with the way the water rights
[1:21:04] were structured and this goes all the
[1:21:06] way back to the Ogden River decree um
[1:21:09] and and with our right and our water
[1:21:11] right in the decree is actually water
[1:21:13] right zero so there's no nobody lower
[1:21:16] than us but we also have um it depends
[1:21:19] on some exchanges through Wheeler Creek
[1:21:21] through warm and and cold springs that
[1:21:24] we also exchange. So we have looked at
[1:21:27] that and we have with with the rights
[1:21:30] that we have we have maximized those
[1:21:32] rights.
[1:21:34] >> So what are you going to do when you top
[1:21:37] out 110,000 folks and and not sitting as
[1:21:40] forecasted in 2050?
[1:21:42] >> So we have enough water rights with our
[1:21:45] well field and we have other wells down
[1:21:48] here. We have also purchased contracts
[1:21:50] through Weaver Basin so that we can
[1:21:53] fulfill that and we've actually master
[1:21:55] planned to get us past 2060 and still
[1:21:58] have capacity. Now, one of the one of
[1:22:01] the great things and and I'll get this
[1:22:03] plug in is is the conservation. Um we
[1:22:07] have been aggressing Ogden city has
[1:22:10] aggressively been doing pipeline
[1:22:12] replacement projects for almost 20 years
[1:22:15] and what we have found is by replacing
[1:22:18] these old lines we are eliminating our
[1:22:23] conveyance losses and with the
[1:22:25] elimination of those conveyance losses
[1:22:27] we continue to find more water so that
[1:22:31] we can provide. So, if you go back to
[1:22:33] our master plan from 20 years ago, we
[1:22:36] actually weren't going to be able to to
[1:22:37] meet the demand in60, but by the
[1:22:40] elimination of these losses, we're we're
[1:22:43] actually producing right now less water
[1:22:46] than what we did in 2008, believe it or
[1:22:49] not. And that's with expanded growth.
[1:22:55] We're getting close to uh time limit for
[1:22:58] this agenda item, but uh Chris Penny,
[1:23:02] did you have uh a couple of comments to
[1:23:05] add to this about impacts and um
[1:23:10] the division's perspective?
[1:23:13] Can you summarize really quickly or
[1:23:19] » I'll I'll do what I can with this being
[1:23:21] a boating advisory one and keep it brief
[1:23:23] on the fishery part. But uh we were
[1:23:25] consulted quite a bit about this as
[1:23:27] things moved uh especially this spring
[1:23:29] and we had been talking with Ogden City
[1:23:31] even uh last year to kind of wrap our
[1:23:33] heads around what might be going on. Um
[1:23:36] like Justin said in 2027 was when we
[1:23:39] expected it. But as far as the fishery
[1:23:41] goes, Pine View is resilient. it's used
[1:23:43] to um big draw downs on the order of 15
[1:23:46] to 30 vertical feet. Um as he showed in one of the pictures like we've seen
[1:23:51] water blow before even just in the past
[1:23:53] decade with 2021. Uh the water got even
[1:23:56] lower in 1992 when they did repairs to
[1:23:58] the dam. And so we we do expect some of
[1:24:00] the quality of the fishery to go down,
[1:24:02] but we don't expect visible dead fish.
[1:24:05] Uh we do expect some to perhaps go out
[1:24:07] the outlet works. Um, and then, uh, as
[1:24:10] people may have noted, we did put on an
[1:24:12] emergency regulation for the fish,
[1:24:14] allowing more harvest of a lot of the
[1:24:16] pan fish, some more of the bass, and
[1:24:19] then even up to one tiger musky over 40
[1:24:21] in. And the reason for that wasn't
[1:24:23] because we think the fishery is doomed
[1:24:24] or if we've given up on it, but rather
[1:24:27] as the water comes down to these low
[1:24:29] draw down levels that we're going to get
[1:24:30] to, it's going to warm up. Fish are
[1:24:32] going to be concentrated. And so we want
[1:24:34] to give people the opportunity to help
[1:24:35] thin them out because when you thin them
[1:24:36] out and keep them from getting too dense
[1:24:38] in there, especially in that warm water,
[1:24:40] that's going to do them better as a
[1:24:41] population goes. Um, as far as fishery
[1:24:44] rebound, we expect to kind of be back to
[1:24:46] where we were at on the order of about 5
[1:24:48] to 10 years for most species. A lot of
[1:24:50] them five, some of them a little bit
[1:24:51] longer. So that's kind of a quick
[1:24:53] synopsis.
[1:24:56] U Justin
[1:24:59] uh or can you move back to the previous
[1:25:01] slide with the
[1:25:04] uh different colors of the
[1:25:07] So Justin on your slide here it says
[1:25:10] that construction level needs to be in
[1:25:12] the blue
[1:25:14] >> and that construction pipeline
[1:25:16] installation begins October 1st
[1:25:19] but October 1st 2021
[1:25:24] uh into green. I mean, do do all of
[1:25:27] these things actually jive uh with it's
[1:25:32] I'm just wondering if there's some kind
[1:25:34] of a gap here in terms of estimation of
[1:25:39] water elevation accessibility.
[1:25:41] >> Yeah. So, and just to clarify this, this
[1:25:44] was just to reference where it was in
[1:25:46] 2021. Now what we have been working with
[1:25:49] is with the the other water suppliers
[1:25:51] like Weaver Basin, Ogden River Water
[1:25:53] Users Association and also the river
[1:25:55] commissioner. And so with uh the
[1:25:58] authorities granted to us from the 1970
[1:26:01] agreement, Ogden City, even though we've
[1:26:04] haven't had to use it before, has the
[1:26:06] ability with that agreement because it's
[1:26:08] affected our well field to be able to
[1:26:10] draw the reservoir down to be able to do
[1:26:12] maintenance. And so the the water level
[1:26:16] is from what I understand with the river
[1:26:18] commissioner, they've been releasing on
[1:26:20] average between 20 to 30 cfs
[1:26:24] uh additional for the last month or two.
[1:26:28] I don't know exactly when they started
[1:26:30] those. And so what we expect is so by
[1:26:33] this year right around September 15th
[1:26:37] that the we will have the elevation that
[1:26:40] we need again to not in start installing
[1:26:43] pipe because there's work that we've got
[1:26:45] to do and and part of the work we have
[1:26:47] to do is because we're leaving this at
[1:26:49] the elevation we are is we have to build
[1:26:51] kind of and firm up being able to cross
[1:26:54] the reservoir with equipment. So, we've
[1:26:56] scheduled in about two weeks of being
[1:26:58] able to to build a and stabilize a
[1:27:02] pathway for the construction equipment
[1:27:04] to get across there. The other thing
[1:27:06] that we have to do is we are going to
[1:27:09] actually install two 12-in uh HDPE pipes
[1:27:14] that then we're going to tie over our
[1:27:15] wellfield to and reconnect on the other
[1:27:18] side so that we can even though it will
[1:27:21] stop service for a you know maybe a day and a half. Um, we are then going to
[1:27:29] be able to tie that over and and
[1:27:31] continue servicing through those those
[1:27:33] two parallel pipes that then will allow
[1:27:37] construction to be able to access and dig for the new pipe and also start
[1:27:42] repairs on the existing pipe. And so we
[1:27:44] don't actually think, you know, we'll be
[1:27:47] able to get in there till about October
[1:27:49] 1st, but as soon as we're allowed to and and things, we we will start
[1:27:54] working.
[1:27:56] And so on the back end of this, your
[1:28:00] commitment is to be done with
[1:28:02] construction by January or December 31st
[1:28:05] and then start to refill. Do you
[1:28:08] anticipate
[1:28:09] uh normal recreational access
[1:28:13] in the spring summer with normal
[1:28:16] snowfall? Uh what's the projection for
[1:28:19] recreational access after the project is
[1:28:22] finished? Yeah. So, after the project's
[1:28:25] finished, again, our goal with the uh
[1:28:27] the date we've set with the contractors
[1:28:29] to be done by January 1st by by the
[1:28:32] agreement that was done in 1970, we have
[1:28:34] until January 15th. Now, one of the
[1:28:37] things that we're trying to do is
[1:28:39] incentivize the contractor to actually
[1:28:41] be done much quicker. And so, we're
[1:28:43] willing to pay uh an incentive to the
[1:28:45] contractor um every day that they finish
[1:28:48] before January 1. And with that um the
[1:28:52] idea would be is that the reservoir then
[1:28:55] can start refilling. Um that's going to
[1:28:58] again depend on snow pack and and and
[1:29:01] water that gets discharged into the
[1:29:03] reservoir. But on a normal snowpack
[1:29:04] year, you will see the reservoir filling
[1:29:07] up fast.
[1:29:10] >> So is there a target date for access at
[1:29:13] Anderson Cove and Cemetery Point once
[1:29:16] the project is completed? that that's a
[1:29:19] question that I probably need like the river commissioner to be able to
[1:29:22] answer and I'm not sure of the
[1:29:25] commitments that he has, but it really
[1:29:27] depends on spring runoff. The you know,
[1:29:30] if it comes early, it it'll help. If it
[1:29:33] comes later, it it'll delay being able
[1:29:35] to get into Anderson Cove.
[1:29:38] But I can tell you this that we are
[1:29:40] working with the Forest Service to be
[1:29:42] able to get port ramp done and and so
[1:29:46] that can can open up. And again, that's
[1:29:49] a Forest Service project and I don't
[1:29:50] know exactly when they're going to have
[1:29:52] the other portions that they're working
[1:29:54] on done, but the ramp itself is
[1:29:57] anticipated to be done by January all
[1:30:00] the way down.
[1:30:01] >> So, so and maybe just a followup there.
[1:30:04] I appreciate that insight. For portra
[1:30:06] there initially there was my
[1:30:08] understanding was there was no work to
[1:30:09] be done on the ramp itself. Is that now
[1:30:12] in scope? Is that kind of what you're
[1:30:13] referring to?
[1:30:14] >> Yes.
[1:30:15] >> Okay. Appreciate that.
[1:30:18] >> That ramp needs work.
[1:30:19] >> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I've heard
[1:30:21] from many voters about the frustration
[1:30:23] initially that the ramp itself was not
[1:30:24] in the scope of the rebuild. So, good to
[1:30:27] hear. Thank you.
[1:30:29] >> And it's the same contractor that's
[1:30:31] doing the pipeline that's going to do
[1:30:32] that project. So that's an efficiency
[1:30:35] that was arranged with this.
[1:30:39] >> Are there further questions from
[1:30:42] anybody?
[1:30:44] Uh, you know, we we really appreciate
[1:30:46] your
[1:30:47] >> I don't really have a question. I just
[1:30:48] wanted to commend Ogden, I guess, a
[1:30:50] little bit in that they bumped this
[1:30:53] project up because they saw that we had
[1:30:55] low snow pack. I think there's a lot of
[1:30:57] anglers and voters that are probably a
[1:30:58] little upset that this has to happen,
[1:31:00] but understand that this is a kind of a
[1:31:02] necessary. I mean, I don't drink water
[1:31:04] out of Ogden very often, but if I did, I
[1:31:07] uh I totally would understand this. And
[1:31:08] I think uh I think the fisherman and
[1:31:10] voters, I think we're going to be just
[1:31:12] fine. And then the port ramp, we viewed
[1:31:14] it with Chris a month or so ago, and
[1:31:16] boy, that thing looks I wouldn't launch
[1:31:18] a boat on it right now, especially on
[1:31:19] that south end of it. But so it's it's
[1:31:21] good to see that the that that's part of
[1:31:23] the project. So I think that's a good
[1:31:25] thing. I mean, not a good thing, but
[1:31:26] it's a necessary thing, but it's a good
[1:31:28] thing that they bumped it up. So, I
[1:31:29] commend Agn City for stepping up and and
[1:31:32] bumping this project up a year.
[1:31:35] >> Thank you. It's been a lot of work and I
[1:31:38] know a lot of coordination that kind of
[1:31:40] came hard and fast at people, but it it
[1:31:43] would I think it would be a tragedy to
[1:31:45] have a the reservoir low this year and
[1:31:48] then have a good winter and then come
[1:31:50] back and say, "Well, we've got to lower
[1:31:52] it again this year." And so, um, we're
[1:31:55] trying to take advantage of what mother
[1:31:57] nature, um, didn't give us this last
[1:32:00] year, I guess.
[1:32:02] >> Det, you know, some concerns about the
[1:32:06] information about this project. Do do
[1:32:09] you have any more questions for Justin?
[1:32:16] » No, I I appreciate that. I think my
[1:32:18] concerns revolved around just the timing
[1:32:21] of the information as far as uh how much
[1:32:24] notice was given to the public. But I
[1:32:25] mean I understand there are some
[1:32:27] possible factors relating to that. So
[1:32:29] but I appreciate the presentation.
[1:32:31] >> Yeah, you're welcome. And and if there
[1:32:33] is other questions again, you can go to
[1:32:35] the the website. Um there's numbers on
[1:32:37] there to call or I'm I'm happy to field
[1:32:40] any questions that might come along as
[1:32:42] well.
[1:32:43] >> So we we recognize that there's impacts
[1:32:45] to people. Um, we also feel the burden
[1:32:48] of providing drinking water to the
[1:32:51] amount of people that we provide to. And
[1:32:52] so it's trying to balance all those out.
[1:32:55] I'm I'm a I'm a boater. I'm a fisherman.
[1:32:58] And so I' I've been up I love Pine View
[1:33:00] Reservoir. I've grown up fishing that my
[1:33:02] entire life. And so um it it's difficult
[1:33:05] to to need to do this project. But I
[1:33:08] also understand the need and bear the
[1:33:11] burden of if that pipe was to fail of
[1:33:15] what that would do to the public.
[1:33:19] >> I I don't think we heard from Dwit,
[1:33:21] right?
[1:33:23] >> Yeah. Um, it's really unfortunate timing
[1:33:28] with the Great Salt Lake Marina
[1:33:30] essentially being shut down, with Lynen
[1:33:33] Harbor being closed at Utah Lake uh, and
[1:33:37] being sold off um, and and a rebuild
[1:33:41] eventually, but uh, closed to after the
[1:33:44] end of this month to any use by sailors.
[1:33:48] And then you have Pine View. Few sailors
[1:33:51] there. uh they were disappointed. So all
[1:33:54] in all, it was a just a a junk position
[1:33:58] of of all of the lowwater
[1:34:01] marinas that we use a lot. Um,
[1:34:06] so but I I also I I join with Adam in
[1:34:09] commending Ogden City for taking
[1:34:12] advantage of this lower uh water level
[1:34:15] at this point and um going ahead and
[1:34:19] moving forward with that project to
[1:34:22] solve what would have been a a major
[1:34:25] problem had it uh had that pipeline
[1:34:28] ruptured or some other catastrophic uh
[1:34:31] event happened. So congratulations
[1:34:34] Justin. Thank you.
[1:34:36] >> Thank thank you D. I appreciate that and
[1:34:38] I appreciate the opportunity to come and
[1:34:40] talk to everybody.
[1:34:43] >> Greg, you had another comment and then
[1:34:44] we'll have to wrap it up.
[1:34:47] >> Yeah, just you know reservoirs their
[1:34:49] primary purpose when they were developed
[1:34:51] had nothing to do with recreation. Um it
[1:34:54] happens to be you know something that we
[1:34:56] enjoy as a benefit of having them in
[1:34:59] Utah.
[1:35:00] um they are a living living breathing
[1:35:03] component of our communities. Um but
[1:35:09] their primary purpose is something other
[1:35:10] than recreation. I think we need to be
[1:35:12] cognizant of that but take advantage of
[1:35:15] situations similar to what we've done
[1:35:18] here when you've when you're forced to
[1:35:21] draw something down or something is
[1:35:23] drawn down or repairs or due to drought
[1:35:26] or whatever it is. take advantage of
[1:35:29] those opportunities and make boat ramp
[1:35:32] improvements, install reservoir habitat,
[1:35:35] redo your buoy lines, do all of the
[1:35:37] maintenance that you need to do so it's
[1:35:39] one-stop shopping so we don't have to
[1:35:40] continually do this. Um, and I think
[1:35:43] that, you know, we're looking forward to
[1:35:45] the winter and hopefully are able to
[1:35:48] negotiate a settlement with the US
[1:35:50] Forest Service to be able to go in and
[1:35:52] do some reservoir habitat improvements
[1:35:55] at this water body. Um, again, making
[1:35:58] lemonade out of lemons potentially uh
[1:36:01] here and improving fish habitat and
[1:36:03] improving the resiliency of the fish
[1:36:05] populations uh for future angling
[1:36:08] opportunities. So, uh again, commend
[1:36:10] Justin for his efforts to integrate some
[1:36:12] of those recreational improvements.
[1:36:14] Moving forward, I would like to see us
[1:36:18] uh Ogden City, the Division of Wildlife
[1:36:20] Resources, Forest Service, the
[1:36:23] irrigation company uh come together and
[1:36:25] start looking at um what we undertake
[1:36:29] during these regularly scheduled
[1:36:31] maintenance opportunities moving
[1:36:33] forward. again outside of probably all
[1:36:35] of our careers, but the next time this
[1:36:37] happens, be able to quickly and nimly
[1:36:40] frontload uh the plans for all of the
[1:36:43] improvements and maintenance that we
[1:36:44] need to do below the high water.
[1:36:47] >> That that's a great comment, Craig, and
[1:36:49] I I agree and I commend the the work
[1:36:52] that you and I work more with Chris on
[1:36:54] this, but you know, getting an agreement
[1:36:56] in front of us of Ogden City of what we
[1:36:59] can do to partner and also help the fish
[1:37:01] habitat. And so we're looking at that
[1:37:04] and I I I just want to commend everybody
[1:37:06] who's worked on that as well.
[1:37:10] >> Great. Well, thank you Justin. If if
[1:37:12] there was one critique I would add that
[1:37:16] you know some elements of our voting
[1:37:18] community which is statewide were not
[1:37:20] well informed about this. and I spoke
[1:37:23] with your public outreach uh liaison at
[1:37:27] Sunrise Engineering and he had no idea
[1:37:30] about us as a statewide entity where we
[1:37:34] can help get the word out to the voting
[1:37:36] community. So I would say that in you
[1:37:38] know when there's another project of
[1:37:40] this nature uh there needs to be maybe
[1:37:42] some more broader thinking about how to
[1:37:45] do your outreach and how to uh get
[1:37:48] people on board and warned but also
[1:37:51] maybe on the followup at the end of the
[1:37:53] project when the project is done and the
[1:37:57] reservoir fills up when these voting
[1:37:59] access points will be open. I think that
[1:38:01] we could certainly use some help on that
[1:38:03] and get the word out to
[1:38:05] >> that that that's a great comment and so
[1:38:08] thank you and again I apologize if
[1:38:10] anybody felt left out. That was not the
[1:38:12] intention. Um it's just trying to juggle
[1:38:15] and again it kind of shoved this forward
[1:38:17] almost an entire year on us. Um, and so
[1:38:20] we were trying to go as fast as we can.
[1:38:22] And so I I apologize for if there, you
[1:38:26] know, not getting the communication out
[1:38:29] to everybody.
[1:38:32] >> We're glad to have you here for this and
[1:38:33] this is a great presentation. I think it
[1:38:35] helped people clarify the project and
[1:38:37] understand uh the timeline. So thank
[1:38:40] you.
[1:38:41] >> Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you
[1:38:42] everybody. It's it's a pleasure to see
[1:38:44] some of you again and to meet others for
[1:38:45] the first time.
[1:38:48] >> Great. Okay. So, now um our agenda,
[1:38:52] we're getting close on time. Uh Jorge,
[1:38:57] can you well how much time are you going
[1:39:00] to need for your uh part of the agenda?
[1:39:03] >> Um I think me and Craig can be pretty
[1:39:06] quick. That being said, I mean,
[1:39:09] we'll be cutting it pretty close. So,
[1:39:12] >> but we're I mean, we've already been
[1:39:14] kind of
[1:39:14] >> primed for this, right? So, we know
[1:39:16] what's coming. to adjust other items to
[1:39:19] different meeting dates.
[1:39:22] >> I think we should, you know, give you as
[1:39:24] much time as you need. Um, and Kent, you
[1:39:27] know, I can see that you're still with
[1:39:29] us. We'll we'll make sure that you have
[1:39:30] time for your public comments. So, don't go away, Kent.
[1:39:37] » Let me share my screen here.
[1:39:42] And as I'm working on on sharing the
[1:39:45] screen, um I guess just kind of give
[1:39:47] quick background on to again just the
[1:39:49] Utah Voting Recreation Grant and then
[1:39:50] the Voting Access Grant. And then Craig,
[1:39:52] please feel free to add anything in
[1:39:55] addition to this as I get this um
[1:39:57] shared. But really what we're really
[1:40:00] looking to do here is just to kind of
[1:40:02] figure out the best way possible to, you
[1:40:05] know, utilize
[1:40:07] all the funding resources that we have
[1:40:09] available to again just best benefit um
[1:40:12] Utah and just voters. Um let me make
[1:40:15] sure folks can see that. All right. Um
[1:40:18] again, we're just looking to to to
[1:40:20] coordinate together in terms of both of
[1:40:22] those programs with, you know, voting
[1:40:24] access as well as the state the state
[1:40:26] grant. I mean, it's a unique situation
[1:40:28] considering the fact that voting access
[1:40:30] is a federal federal program and don't
[1:40:32] necessarily have as much authority with
[1:40:35] that one. Um, that being said, I think
[1:40:37] that there's opportunities to try and
[1:40:39] see how we can best utilize like maybe
[1:40:41] matches and and and go from there and
[1:40:43] just kind of streamline the process for
[1:40:47] um the application process and just
[1:40:50] making it less uh making it
[1:40:53] non-redundant for folks. Anything else
[1:40:56] you want to add on to that, Craig?
[1:40:59] >> No, I I think you know we we've been
[1:41:01] talking about this for about three
[1:41:03] years. Integrating the two makes perfect
[1:41:05] sense. Um coming up with similar
[1:41:08] standards where possible makes perfect
[1:41:10] sense. And I think that's what we're
[1:41:12] trying to showcase today is how we bring
[1:41:14] those two together into one uh one grant
[1:41:18] effort. Uh which hopefully you'll see at
[1:41:21] the end of this this period.
[1:41:26] » [snorts]
[1:41:27] >> And then did you want to start us off
[1:41:29] here, Craig, with eligibility?
[1:41:33] >> Sure. So, uh, for those of you that
[1:41:35] don't know, uh, the boating access grant
[1:41:36] is run by the fish and wildlife service.
[1:41:39] Uh, and we are the division of wildlife
[1:41:42] resources are considered to be the
[1:41:43] recipient uh, of that money. We then uh,
[1:41:48] seek out subreients which are the
[1:41:51] project proponents uh, throughout the
[1:41:53] year. Uh those proponents then have the
[1:41:55] uh opportunity to put in for a variety
[1:41:58] of boating access improvements across
[1:42:01] the state including launching and
[1:42:03] docking which uh includes ramps and
[1:42:05] peers, construction, replacement,
[1:42:08] maintenance,
[1:42:09] uh breakwaters and bulkheads, building
[1:42:12] structures to protect boat ramps and
[1:42:14] docks from wave action. You all have
[1:42:16] funded a couple of those uh during your
[1:42:19] tenure on the boating advisory council.
[1:42:21] um site access and property uh acquiring
[1:42:25] land rights not something we often do.
[1:42:28] Uh easements not something we often do,
[1:42:30] but it is a tool in the toolkit that the
[1:42:32] Fish and Wildlife Service affords us as
[1:42:35] a recipient to potentially improve
[1:42:37] boating access in the state of Utah. Uh
[1:42:40] it is probably more important in states
[1:42:43] where there's a great great deal more
[1:42:44] private land uh similar to states back
[1:42:47] east. Um water rights. Similarly, uh we
[1:42:51] have the ability to purchase water
[1:42:53] rights through the Fish and Wildlife
[1:42:55] Service grant. Not something we often
[1:42:57] do. Um water rights and reservoirs is
[1:42:59] tricky. Uh when you purchase water
[1:43:02] rights, oftentimes you're purchasing the
[1:43:03] rights at the lower portion of the pool
[1:43:06] or dead pool and that doesn't
[1:43:09] necessarily afford you a lot of voting
[1:43:10] access, which is why it isn't a tool
[1:43:12] that we've used too often in the state.
[1:43:16] uh access roads and parking. We've
[1:43:18] funded those through this council
[1:43:19] before. Um facility amenities, uh
[1:43:23] restrooms, showers, fish cleaning
[1:43:25] stations. I think you've all seen the
[1:43:27] benefits of those across Utah uh at
[1:43:29] boating venues at various waters.
[1:43:32] Utilities safety, uh installing fuel
[1:43:35] stations, security lighting, washdown
[1:43:37] stations, those are all eligible under
[1:43:39] the boating access grant.
[1:43:42] Next slide, please. [snorts]
[1:43:46] Uh, one thing that we worked on back in
[1:43:48] 2008 was incorporating invasive species
[1:43:51] eligibility into the grant. Uh, we work
[1:43:54] with the Fish and Wildlife Service to
[1:43:55] change the language and that grant now
[1:43:59] therefore includes decontamination or
[1:44:01] setting up of semi-permanmanent and
[1:44:03] permanent boat decon systems. Uh, as
[1:44:06] well as interdiction stations and areas
[1:44:08] where we can strategically intercept
[1:44:10] voters.
[1:44:11] Uh, additionally, we also have the
[1:44:13] ability to fund planning and
[1:44:15] engineering, um, design.
[1:44:18] Uh, we look at, uh, completing
[1:44:21] environmental compliance procedures that
[1:44:22] can sometimes be complex, and obtaining
[1:44:25] any required permits, which is something
[1:44:27] that during a later meeting this year,
[1:44:29] I'd like to talk with you about as far
[1:44:31] as making that a requirement for our
[1:44:34] grants when they are submitted. Uh,
[1:44:37] navigation, we have the ability to go in
[1:44:39] dredge. Uh we have funded dredging in
[1:44:41] the past uh a couple of times. Um it's
[1:44:44] not something we engage in often because
[1:44:46] as soon as you dredge something
[1:44:48] oftentimes it fills in with sediment in
[1:44:51] short order. So um but it is a way for
[1:44:54] us to maintain uh navigability of our
[1:44:58] waterways. Uh and controlling nuisance
[1:45:01] aquatic vegetation is something that we
[1:45:02] funded just this past year with the
[1:45:04] Eurasian water mil foil project. Uh that
[1:45:06] is an example of how we use that project
[1:45:10] uh under the fish and wildlife service
[1:45:12] grant. Navigational aids, installation
[1:45:14] of buoy lines, channel markers, and
[1:45:16] hazard signs. That's something that is
[1:45:18] definitely eligible and something that
[1:45:20] we would promote the use of as we move
[1:45:22] forward with trying to mitigate
[1:45:24] conflicts on our water bodies and ensure
[1:45:26] people are uh adhering to uh
[1:45:29] navigational
[1:45:31] requirements on our water bodies.
[1:45:33] Uh erosion control is also another thing
[1:45:36] that we use through that grant to
[1:45:38] protect our navigability by stabilizing
[1:45:42] the surrounding shorelines at our
[1:45:43] reservoirs and preventing sedimentation
[1:45:46] and shallowing of votable areas. Next
[1:45:49] slide.
[1:45:51] I think it's on to you. Oh, nope. Got a
[1:45:54] little bit more. Uh operation and
[1:45:56] maintenance. That is something that we
[1:45:58] have funded and continue to fund at
[1:45:59] places like Flaming Gorge where due to
[1:46:02] the breadth of the infrastructure we are
[1:46:05] uh needing to supply our subreient or
[1:46:09] federal partners with additional money
[1:46:12] so that they can undertake the uh
[1:46:14] rigorous task of um or strenuous task of
[1:46:18] actually doing that maintenance. The
[1:46:21] day-to-day operation of boating access
[1:46:23] sites is also eligible under this grant.
[1:46:26] signage in the form of project signage
[1:46:29] uh and funding signage
[1:46:31] are definitely eligible as well as any
[1:46:34] other signage related to voting
[1:46:36] activities, safety, etc. are also
[1:46:39] eligible under this grant. The
[1:46:41] exclusions to this grant uh from a
[1:46:44] federal standpoint are those things that
[1:46:46] are eligible under two other grant
[1:46:48] programs that are overseen in the state
[1:46:50] of Utah. One is the Clean Vessel Act and
[1:46:52] I mentioned these as an aside because
[1:46:54] we're not covering them today. But the
[1:46:56] Clean Vessel Act is uh a program that is
[1:46:59] overseen by Udor and the Boating
[1:47:03] Infrastructure Grant is uh a tiered
[1:47:06] grant system competitive and
[1:47:07] non-competitive that is overseen by the
[1:47:09] division of wildlife resources. We have
[1:47:12] employed both of those in the state of
[1:47:14] Utah boating infrastructure grant at
[1:47:16] Flaming Gorge and uh it is eligible for
[1:47:19] use at two additional waters uh which
[1:47:21] are interstate waters that's bare lake
[1:47:23] and lake powell in the state of Utah and
[1:47:26] the clean vessel act has been employed
[1:47:28] and continues to be employed regularly
[1:47:30] by udor at a wide array of waters where
[1:47:33] we have water quality concerns and a
[1:47:35] need to address
[1:47:38] boat waste and I think that's my portion
[1:47:41] of this.
[1:47:43] >> Awesome. Perfect. Thanks, Craig. And
[1:47:45] again, as as what we've kind of
[1:47:48] mentioned before in previous advisory
[1:47:50] council meetings, um it is really again
[1:47:52] that you know, the Utah Voting
[1:47:53] Recreation Grant is going to be that new
[1:47:55] state voting grant opportunity. Um we're
[1:47:58] looking to launch that September 1st,
[1:48:00] which is upcoming. Um again, a big
[1:48:02] portion to that was how to make it work
[1:48:05] uh and collaborate better with the DWR
[1:48:08] and and voting access. And so that's why
[1:48:10] we're showing the eligibility just to
[1:48:12] kind of see what sections kind of
[1:48:15] overlap and what sections don't. Um just
[1:48:18] to give you a quick um idea of like
[1:48:20] again these sections that are eligible
[1:48:23] uh for the boating access or for the
[1:48:25] voting recreation grant again is just
[1:48:28] going to be your general boating
[1:48:29] facilities. Um whether that's your boat
[1:48:31] ramps, uh public restrooms, um as well
[1:48:35] as the parking lots. Um, there's the
[1:48:38] shoreline protection piece to where
[1:48:40] again it's just trying to prevent any
[1:48:44] erosion that's being caused by Boers or
[1:48:46] your vessel wave action. Um, the
[1:48:48] non-motorized access piece where again
[1:48:51] it's trying to decongest the ramps um
[1:48:54] and just increase overall safety for for
[1:48:56] users um by again separating motorized
[1:48:59] and non-motorized. It's what we've seen
[1:49:01] a lot throughout Utah. Um and then
[1:49:04] again, uh drought access mitigation. Uh
[1:49:07] that's on there as well. It's just again
[1:49:09] our reservoirs were kind of designed
[1:49:11] with the overall intention that uh water
[1:49:14] levels aren't going to get get that low,
[1:49:15] but we're they're getting that low. So
[1:49:17] we're needing to again uh address that.
[1:49:21] Um and then I think another thing to
[1:49:24] kind of mention here that's really
[1:49:25] important is is we've had our offer
[1:49:28] recreation grant program. Um and this
[1:49:30] has been modeled a after um after that grant program. Um and this is where
[1:49:36] this really I think unique piece um to this grant is is again just search
[1:49:42] and rescue um and more specifically
[1:49:44] search and rescue equipment. Um so for
[1:49:47] instance we might see uh rescue boats um
[1:49:50] anything that's kind of related to uh
[1:49:52] boating search and rescue. Um and we got
[1:49:55] kind of a small tiny glimpse of that
[1:49:57] just this last year. Um, but that's
[1:50:00] going to be a really unique piece to
[1:50:02] again the Utah Voting Recreation Grant.
[1:50:04] Um, taking a look at some of these
[1:50:06] eligibility pieces and and items. Um,
[1:50:10] this next slide here is kind of showing
[1:50:12] again what voting access is covering and
[1:50:14] what voting access covers really solo.
[1:50:19] Um, and then what Utah the Utah voting
[1:50:21] recreation grant covers again more so uh
[1:50:25] specifically in terms of like the
[1:50:27] overall language and then the overall
[1:50:28] shared scope between that with again
[1:50:31] your boating infrastructure, the the
[1:50:32] ramps, parking lots, uh overall
[1:50:35] operation and maintenance of you know
[1:50:36] your boat boating access uh facilities
[1:50:39] and amenities um the signage uh your
[1:50:44] shoreline protection and erosion. again
[1:50:46] when it comes to rip wrap um is the
[1:50:49] erosion control and buoys and then the
[1:50:51] drought access mitigation again just
[1:50:54] trying to adapt to the ever changing
[1:50:57] water levels um anything else you want
[1:50:59] to add to this Greg before I move on
[1:51:03] >> no I I think it's you know we we had a
[1:51:06] difficult time separating the two
[1:51:07] because there is so much overlap um and
[1:51:10] I think that that is a strength of
[1:51:12] integrating these two programs is it
[1:51:14] gives us the flexibility moving forward to work with the voting advisory
[1:51:19] council to develop what is probably the
[1:51:21] most robust funding package for the
[1:51:24] largest number of projects both
[1:51:26] motorized and non-motorized throughout
[1:51:28] the state of Utah moving forward. I
[1:51:30] think it's going to be a gamecher for
[1:51:31] us.
[1:51:34] >> So quick question, why wouldn't both
[1:51:37] grants allow for planning and
[1:51:39] engineering costs? Because I mean both,
[1:51:42] you know, if you have a project that's
[1:51:45] for the recreation grant, you're still
[1:51:46] going to have to do the design and
[1:51:48] engineering, right?
[1:51:49] >> It's a really great question. I mean,
[1:51:50] that's kind of just what it's laid out
[1:51:53] in in statute and that's, you know, it's
[1:51:56] up to the state legislature from there.
[1:51:58] So,
[1:51:58] >> and search and rescue, would that also
[1:52:00] cover training? So,
[1:52:03] >> this is specifying equipment.
[1:52:04] >> Just equipment.
[1:52:07] >> Yeah. Any other questions before
[1:52:10] >> uh Craig and Jorge, are the eligible
[1:52:14] groups to request the funding, are they
[1:52:18] the same in the two grants?
[1:52:24] » Applicants, the eligibility for
[1:52:25] applicants, are they the same?
[1:52:27] >> So, that's a that's a really good
[1:52:28] question. So, no, they're not
[1:52:29] necessarily the same. Um, so for the
[1:52:34] voting grant, that's going to be your
[1:52:36] state entities. um any municipality. So
[1:52:39] your cities, counties, and then water
[1:52:41] conservancy districts. So nonprofits
[1:52:43] cannot apply to the Utah Voting
[1:52:45] Recreation Grant and federal entities
[1:52:47] cannot apply to that one as well. So
[1:52:49] that's going to be a difference in this
[1:52:51] as well,
[1:52:52] >> but nonprofit
[1:52:54] nonprofits could apply to the voting
[1:52:55] access grant.
[1:52:56] >> To voting access, yes.
[1:53:00] » And usually do so on behalf of a state,
[1:53:04] municipal, county, or federal partner.
[1:53:06] um take uh
[1:53:10] the uh friends of strawberry folks uh
[1:53:14] applying on behalf of forest service in
[1:53:16] the past. I I think that between the two
[1:53:19] though we are able to cover any and all
[1:53:23] uh comers as far as potential applicants
[1:53:26] for voting access funds.
[1:53:28] >> But a nonprofit could be a project
[1:53:30] partner but not the applicant.
[1:53:33] Yeah. Yeah.
[1:53:35] >> So, a non forprofit can be a project
[1:53:37] applicant. Um, but they also have to
[1:53:41] retain ownership of the materials, uh,
[1:53:44] the installations, any of the things
[1:53:47] funded through the federal funds. Um,
[1:53:50] and that's where it gets a little wonky,
[1:53:53] right? They sign on to a cooperative
[1:53:55] agreement for the useful life of that
[1:53:58] infrastructure. And when you're talking
[1:54:01] about uh, private
[1:54:03] um or not for profofit I should say. Uh
[1:54:07] sometimes that's more difficult for them
[1:54:09] to pallet.
[1:54:12] » Did that answer your question? Duet.
[1:54:22] » Okay. Any other questions before we kind
[1:54:24] of move on from this?
[1:54:27] Okay. Uh just again just the overall
[1:54:31] process that we're kind of looking at
[1:54:32] and obviously some things can can
[1:54:35] change. Um it just kind of depends on
[1:54:38] how we have to adapt to again grant
[1:54:40] process. It's a living and breathing
[1:54:42] thing. Um that being said, we're looking
[1:54:45] to open September 1st for the actual
[1:54:47] grant application. Um October 16th is
[1:54:50] when we're looking to close the grant.
[1:54:52] Um late October we'll we'll be coming
[1:54:55] together. uh Craig, Craig and I, Ty and
[1:54:58] anybody else that needs to to be
[1:54:59] involved to kind of put together the
[1:55:02] applications into their respective
[1:55:03] folders and and make sure the
[1:55:05] eligibility fits within the actual
[1:55:07] application. Um from there, we'll look
[1:55:10] into November and sending that those
[1:55:12] various um options or recommended um
[1:55:16] blocks of of potential funding just to
[1:55:19] kind of try and make the evaluation
[1:55:20] process a little bit easier. um and
[1:55:23] sending that out to the voting advisory
[1:55:25] council from there. Uh sometime again in
[1:55:28] November um trying to get this done
[1:55:30] before the holidays. Um the voting
[1:55:33] advisory council will be able to rank
[1:55:35] projects and and essentially you know
[1:55:39] make make those decisions to recommend
[1:55:42] those funding allocations. Um and then
[1:55:45] in December we'll be looking to to
[1:55:48] notify um awards and then on awards
[1:55:53] just as a general outline.
[1:55:55] >> So the holiday season starts effectively
[1:56:00] just the week of Thanksgiving. So we're
[1:56:03] looking at
[1:56:05] working backwards.
[1:56:08] When do you suppose that you might be
[1:56:10] able to give us the grant application
[1:56:13] information to start reviewing? Because
[1:56:15] we'll have to plan a meeting for early
[1:56:18] to mid November, but not into the last
[1:56:21] third of November. Ideally, as soon as
[1:56:25] me and Craig are able to get um all
[1:56:27] everything um put put into their folders
[1:56:32] and respective folders and and go
[1:56:33] through and and identify that um try and
[1:56:37] get it. I would like to at least before
[1:56:40] November,
[1:56:42] but like I said, it just kind of depends
[1:56:44] on just overall how how things shake out
[1:56:47] and what we get
[1:56:48] >> does he put in there. I mean, really,
[1:56:49] it's it's hitting it's hitting the end
[1:56:51] of October. We will we will have it out
[1:56:53] to you the best that we can [laughter]
[1:56:56] in that aspect there because that we
[1:56:58] wanna we want to leave that
[1:57:00] >> it would be great to have a twoe period
[1:57:02] for you you guys do do review
[1:57:04] >> well we have to plan in our lives too
[1:57:06] for that
[1:57:08] everybody's planning that in their
[1:57:10] lives.
[1:57:10] >> Yeah. So this begs the question to the
[1:57:13] council members looking at this rough
[1:57:15] schedule. When would we want to plan
[1:57:19] that meeting date or
[1:57:22] whatever the date of November would be.
[1:57:28] So we should start looking at calendars
[1:57:29] I guess. So what do we have as options
[1:57:32] for if you can see a calendar?
[1:57:36] Let me pull that up.
[1:57:40] And we're actually going to be reviewing
[1:57:41] three grants at the same time, right?
[1:57:45] >> Yeah.
[1:57:46] >> Clean Vessel Act as well as these two
[1:57:48] grants,
[1:57:51] which Clean Vessel Act is not too
[1:57:53] difficult.
[1:57:58] Now, will applicants be applying for
[1:58:01] both grants?
[1:58:02] >> That's that's where we you guys want to
[1:58:05] cover that what we want to do.
[1:58:06] >> Yeah. So that's that's essentially the idea in terms of making it less
[1:58:11] redundant. It's just trying to have like
[1:58:13] one application. That being said, if
[1:58:15] they
[1:58:16] >> check a box,
[1:58:16] >> they check they're able to check check a
[1:58:18] box on on you know whether they're
[1:58:21] primarily interested in voting access or
[1:58:24] voting grant or vote and if they're even
[1:58:26] eligible for that. Obviously we go
[1:58:28] through that. But um that's kind of the
[1:58:30] idea. Again, just trying to make it less
[1:58:32] redundant and making it easier for for
[1:58:34] folks.
[1:58:35] >> Okay. But at the end of the day, not
[1:58:37] we're not going to be solely relying on
[1:58:39] the applicant's understanding of what's
[1:58:42] eligible for what, although we'll try to
[1:58:44] give them insights. Um, we will be
[1:58:48] looking at what can and can't be put
[1:58:52] into one or the other bucket or both
[1:58:55] buckets. Uh and that's where that number
[1:58:58] three recommendation comes to you based
[1:59:01] upon our insights and our understanding
[1:59:03] of what's eligible and what's not for
[1:59:05] the two programs.
[1:59:08] >> So there's two parts to that. It sounds
[1:59:10] like the applicant can say or apply for
[1:59:13] both, but then there's the agency
[1:59:16] review.
[1:59:18] You're going to be doing some sifting
[1:59:20] and sorting also, right?
[1:59:26] Yeah. I mean I mean again the big the
[1:59:28] big thing here is is that not not
[1:59:30] everything that's going to be again
[1:59:31] eligible for for voting access is going
[1:59:33] to be eligible for for the state grant
[1:59:36] and vice versa. So have to make sure
[1:59:39] that everything
[1:59:41] makes sense for for y'all trying
[1:59:43] >> and overall we're trying to make the
[1:59:45] biggest reach and the biggest bang for the money that we have across the
[1:59:49] state. We want to make the biggest
[1:59:51] impact
[1:59:52] >> Yeah. two voters and have it in a in a
[1:59:54] positive way.
[1:59:55] >> Yeah.
[1:59:56] >> I think we last cycle we did great, you
[1:59:59] know, because we covered
[2:00:00] >> really wide range of projects
[2:00:02] >> and now this is even going to be more
[2:00:04] >> great. Oh, nice.
[2:00:06] >> That's that's a cool thing. It's going
[2:00:07] to be out of and we're going to tap out to not saying that the right
[2:00:13] way. We're going to be able to to push
[2:00:16] money out into the search and rescue
[2:00:18] equipment where we've never been able to
[2:00:19] do that before with voting. So, this is going to have a broad impact in that piece. And I'm I'm really quite
[2:00:27] excited to see what what's going to
[2:00:29] happen and how it's going to happen. Um,
[2:00:33] >> I mentioned it earlier and I might as
[2:00:34] well bring it up now. You know, one of
[2:00:36] the things that we've struggled with
[2:00:37] recently and in years before, um, we we
[2:00:43] have projects that come in and are
[2:00:46] design build, if you will. Uh, still
[2:00:49] requiring permitting to be obtained,
[2:00:52] still requiring design to be
[2:00:55] accomplished prior to actual
[2:00:58] construction and ask for that in one
[2:01:02] package. What we usually see is then
[2:01:04] that project length is for two or three
[2:01:07] years because they weren't ready. Uh
[2:01:10] what we're going to try to do is force
[2:01:12] people to compartmentalize their
[2:01:13] requests into design,
[2:01:17] monitoring, and maintenance for
[2:01:19] construction. And that allows us to
[2:01:22] potentially move forward with
[2:01:24] construction projects that are shovel
[2:01:26] ready and have them be implemented
[2:01:27] within one fiscal year whereas forcing
[2:01:31] others to actually undertake design
[2:01:34] setting the stage for them to put
[2:01:35] forward a quality proposal in a future
[2:01:37] year.
[2:01:40] And are you including in that, Craig,
[2:01:41] the uh the uh maintenance, the future
[2:01:46] maintenance for like the sanitation, the
[2:01:48] bathrooms, and we talked about this last
[2:01:51] funding cycle with your boating app,
[2:01:54] being able to figure out, you know, what
[2:01:57] are the long range life expecties of
[2:02:00] some uh boating assets and how does that
[2:02:05] fit into this scheme of artalizing
[2:02:08] >> the the efforts that uh Patrick's been
[2:02:11] undertaking with Jorge and Tai uh in the
[2:02:14] outdoor recreation arena to create a new
[2:02:18] database application process allows us
[2:02:21] to carve out what is maintenance and
[2:02:24] what is not. And when we get a feel for
[2:02:27] what we need in the way of annual
[2:02:29] maintenance, what we need to earmark in
[2:02:31] the way of annual maintenance funds,
[2:02:33] then we can say, okay, these projects
[2:02:36] fit into this subset of both grants or
[2:02:40] this that or the other. Uh yeah, it
[2:02:42] gives us the ability to um ensure that
[2:02:46] we are investing in the maintenance of
[2:02:49] existing facilities
[2:02:51] without
[2:02:54] completing new projects at the expense
[2:02:56] of maintenance needs. How about that?
[2:03:00] >> Okay, maybe I didn't ask my question
[2:03:02] correctly. As we t last funding cycle,
[2:03:05] we talked about uh funding
[2:03:08] capital infrastructure that has a
[2:03:10] 20-year horizon and and then the
[2:03:12] database to keep track of that and then
[2:03:15] prioritizing which ones are coming up
[2:03:17] next.
[2:03:17] >> That's kind of what's what Craig was
[2:03:19] talking about. We're going to get a
[2:03:20] picture of where we're at and we're
[2:03:22] trying to with with getting this picture
[2:03:25] in this database. We're going to we're
[2:03:27] going to look at do we have any severe
[2:03:30] deferred maintenance issues with this
[2:03:32] and do we need to take care of this to
[2:03:34] where we can extend it further. Um and
[2:03:37] as Craig talked about is instead of
[2:03:39] building new new new new new but never
[2:03:42] taking care of the existing
[2:03:43] infrastructure
[2:03:45] that that's a bad that's a bad situation
[2:03:48] where we're sitting at. We we just can't
[2:03:49] build new new new new and not take care
[2:03:52] of what we already have existing and
[2:03:54] running. And so that's what we're
[2:03:56] looking at. we need to do a renovation
[2:03:58] of of a particular, you know,
[2:04:00] infrastructure site, whatever we need to
[2:04:02] with that, then we'll look at that. And
[2:04:04] we're also going to be soliciting out to
[2:04:06] those to those entities and saying,
[2:04:09] "Hey, you may want to apply for Xrant
[2:04:12] with this so we can get this bill, you
[2:04:14] know, get this up to snuff for it to
[2:04:17] handle the public or we need to update
[2:04:18] it for the particular uses that that
[2:04:21] facility has evolved to." Well, I think
[2:04:23] last cycle we were also looking at that
[2:04:25] log jam potential where a lot of capital
[2:04:28] projects would all expire at the same
[2:04:31] times, but creating that priority. You
[2:04:34] guys get it this year, you guys get have
[2:04:36] to wait a year.
[2:04:37] >> That's that's what we're trying to get
[2:04:38] away from is having everything coming in
[2:04:40] at one time.
[2:04:42] >> Great. So, what kind of dates do we
[2:04:45] have?
[2:04:45] >> So, it closes the 16th. I I think that
[2:04:50] between Craig and I, we could probably
[2:04:52] go through those applications to make
[2:04:54] sure everything is is good and and
[2:04:57] eligible. I I think a week is is enough
[2:05:00] for that. Do you think you agree there,
[2:05:03] Craig?
[2:05:06] » One
[2:05:08] maybe not.
[2:05:10] >> Two two grants. I don't see how that's
[2:05:13] working.
[2:05:18] I'm just looking at my calendar. So,
[2:05:20] you're talking the 16th of October is
[2:05:23] when they are due.
[2:05:28] » I would
[2:05:30] that's a Friday
[2:05:33] » and then based upon your suggested
[2:05:36] timeline in the presentation, can you
[2:05:38] pull up that slide, Dory?
[2:05:40] >> There we go. Let me see.
[2:05:49] I think we could probably do it in a
[2:05:51] week if if you and I right now put
[2:05:56] placeholders for the week of the 19th
[2:06:01] so that it's nothing but that on our
[2:06:04] plate. Otherwise, we won't get it done
[2:06:06] and it will languish until the 1st of
[2:06:08] November.
[2:06:14] I am more than happy to to block that
[2:06:15] out
[2:06:17] >> right now and I'm going to copy you on
[2:06:19] that.
[2:06:20] >> Perfect. Um and then I think if that is
[2:06:26] I think we can get them sent out the
[2:06:28] 26th so long as again
[2:06:32] we can help them out. But
[2:06:33] >> but you might want to build in a fudge
[2:06:35] factor. [laughter]
[2:06:36] >> Well for you guys to review. Um, and
[2:06:41] then two weeks seem fair.
[2:06:44] >> Okay. So, opinions from the council
[2:06:47] members, two weeks for us to review two
[2:06:50] major grants.
[2:06:52] >> So, then you'd be looking at the 9th of
[2:06:54] November essentially that week to
[2:06:59] >> What do you think, George?
[2:07:00] >> Good with that.
[2:07:06] » I know Jason.
[2:07:08] >> I I think that works for me. Yeah, just
[2:07:10] looking at my calendar. Yeah, seems like
[2:07:12] it'll work.
[2:07:14] >> Duet, are you good with a two week?
[2:07:18] >> I am. Yes,
[2:07:20] >> Adam.
[2:07:22] >> Yeah, two weeks should be fine.
[2:07:25] >> Uh, who else have we got? Zack
[2:07:31] » still with us?
[2:07:36] » Jen. Yeah, that's that should be fine.
[2:07:41] >> Okay, I'm okay with that.
[2:07:46] » So So then uh October 26 until November
[2:07:53] >> 9th.
[2:07:54] Is that November 9th or Tuesday?
[2:07:57] >> It's a Monday.
[2:07:59] >> So do people want to meet on a Monday or
[2:08:02] a Tuesday? What's your What kind of day
[2:08:05] of the week is better? I think if
[2:08:06] there's enough I could
[2:08:10] like we're picking it now.
[2:08:12] >> You might as well. Yeah,
[2:08:15] >> because we've usually been meeting on
[2:08:17] Tuesdays.
[2:08:18] That's a little more predictable.
[2:08:25] » I wouldn't recommend more than two
[2:08:27] hours.
[2:08:29] >> Yeah, this is going to be a longer
[2:08:31] meeting.
[2:08:32] Um,
[2:08:34] >> do we meet two days in a row? Do we do a
[2:08:37] long meeting?
[2:08:39] What's your preference?
[2:08:41] >> I do a long meeting.
[2:08:42] >> Long meeting.
[2:08:44] >> You're done.
[2:08:44] >> Three hour meeting. Is that going to be
[2:08:47] enough? 4 hour meeting?
[2:08:52] [laughter]
[2:08:53] >> Long.
[2:08:59] » What are people's opinions? a three-hour
[2:09:01] meeting, four hour meeting, ninth, and
[2:09:04] 10th of
[2:09:05] >> Could we do a threeh hour meeting and
[2:09:07] start at three again? Like, is that
[2:09:12] >> Yeah.
[2:09:14] >> I think so. If if you even wanted, we
[2:09:17] could block out the two days just in
[2:09:19] case. Maybe three hours each. I'm not
[2:09:21] saying that's going to take total of six
[2:09:24] hours, but just in case, just to make
[2:09:27] sure folks have
[2:09:28] >> What day are you looking at? Four and
[2:09:29] over. looking at Monday and Tuesday,
[2:09:32] >> whatever works.
[2:09:33] >> Wednesday is a holiday.
[2:09:35] >> Yeah, Wednesday's a holiday.
[2:09:37] >> Yeah.
[2:09:38] >> So, are people What if we did Okay,
[2:09:41] let's go back to There's two options. A
[2:09:43] longer meeting, one day or shorter
[2:09:47] meetings two days. What are people's
[2:09:49] preference?
[2:09:51] >> And then we don't get as many
[2:09:52] applications. You can always reduce the
[2:09:55] >> Yeah. You know, should we just do it as
[2:09:57] well? We put four. I'll be saving it for
[2:09:59] a four hour.
[2:10:00] >> We'll save the four hour block
[2:10:02] >> and then I'll we'll have a we'll have
[2:10:04] some
[2:10:06] >> I'll have some food for y'all. I'll have
[2:10:08] some stuff to keep your fuel going.
[2:10:10] >> There we go.
[2:10:12] >> So, what if we were to Can we go till if
[2:10:15] we start at 3? Can we go till 7 for the
[2:10:18] block of time? And if we finish early,
[2:10:19] we finish at six.
[2:10:21] >> That's good.
[2:10:22] >> Yeah,
[2:10:23] >> that's me for that. But I'll make sure I
[2:10:24] have both for y'all. That is for those
[2:10:26] that show up in person.
[2:10:29] He's not delivering not dooring your
[2:10:31] house. [laughter]
[2:10:32] >> That's an incentive to show up in
[2:10:34] person.
[2:10:35] >> You could watch as he [laughter]
[2:10:39] So, right now the proposal is a 4hour
[2:10:43] block of time, hopefully a three-hour
[2:10:45] meeting, but we have that extra hour in
[2:10:48] case we need it. Monday the 9th or
[2:10:51] Tuesday the 10th, which date is better
[2:10:54] for people?
[2:10:56] Is Tuesday
[2:10:58] the 10th? Is that
[2:11:01] >> That's not election day, is it?
[2:11:03] >> No.
[2:11:07] >> Next election.
[2:11:08] >> It'll be the week before.
[2:11:10] >> Be the week before. Okay. Sorry.
[2:11:13] >> So, that'll be the third.
[2:11:15] >> Okay. Never mind.
[2:11:17] >> Oh, you know what? I can't do the
[2:11:18] because we have our UAC meetings on
[2:11:22] second Tuesdays.
[2:11:24] That'll be the second Tuesday. So,
[2:11:25] Monday, Monday the 9th.
[2:11:29] That means, you know, there's no
[2:11:33] uh safety valve in case these things
[2:11:35] didn't get done over the weekend.
[2:11:38] Monday, it's business day. Be ready,
[2:11:41] right?
[2:11:43] >> Monday's okay.
[2:11:45] >> Monday the 9th.
[2:11:46] >> Monday. Good.
[2:11:48] >> Y anybody opposed to Monday the 9th? I
[2:11:52] would have a hard time making it by
[2:11:53] three o'clock on Monday the 9th.
[2:11:57] >> I'd have to go later that day. I could
[2:12:00] do Thursday though.
[2:12:02] >> Yeah, I can't do Thursday. Well, what's
[2:12:04] the late I mean, you can Jenny's able to
[2:12:06] join later.
[2:12:07] >> Yeah, we still want to get her vote
[2:12:09] though, her input. I hate to leave
[2:12:11] anybody out.
[2:12:12] >> It's only half hour.
[2:12:16] >> Are you saying a half hour, Jenny? Is
[2:12:18] that your
[2:12:19] >> No, like I I wouldn't be able to join
[2:12:21] before five o'clock on Monday.
[2:12:23] >> I have Oh,
[2:12:25] >> okay.
[2:12:26] >> I save all my meetings for Monday.
[2:12:29] >> Let's do Tuesday the 10th. And um
[2:12:32] >> you can beg you can beg Roger for
[2:12:34] forgiveness.
[2:12:35] >> Yes, because I'm conducting the next
[2:12:38] couple meets anyway. [laughter]
[2:12:42] >> All right. So, Tuesday, October of
[2:12:44] November 10th, 3 to 7 is the block, but
[2:12:48] we'll work to resolve and get everything
[2:12:51] prioritized by 6.
[2:12:55] >> Perfect.
[2:12:57] >> Awesome.
[2:12:58] >> Yeah.
[2:12:59] >> Any other questions on on this from
[2:13:02] anybody?
[2:13:03] >> Um, just real quickly, what kind of
[2:13:05] outreach have you been doing on these
[2:13:07] two grants?
[2:13:08] >> We're getting ready. I'm I'm going to be
[2:13:11] doing a video with our comm's team to
[2:13:15] kind of present present that out and
[2:13:17] then we'll be sharing that on social
[2:13:18] media, our newsletter as well, just any
[2:13:21] of the uh channels that we have access
[2:13:25] to. And of course, I'd love to take
[2:13:27] advantage of the, you know,
[2:13:34] um you've also done some you've also
[2:13:36] been doing a lot of outreach way prior
[2:13:38] to this. that he's been doing on the
[2:13:40] grants tours that were last year in
[2:13:42] December this time. So, there's a lot
[2:13:45] and the sheriff search and rescue um
[2:13:47] conferences that he's been attending
[2:13:49] these also.
[2:13:50] >> And you'll be you'll be doing another
[2:13:52] tour coming up.
[2:13:53] >> Yes. So, it's actually kind of funny.
[2:13:54] That's why
[2:13:56] >> this week was November 9th. That week is
[2:14:00] really important because like that it
[2:14:03] happens that week, I think, because the
[2:14:04] 16th is when we have our southern pour
[2:14:07] scheduled. So, I'd be going to at least
[2:14:12] right now for the 16th, whoever.
[2:14:14] >> Oh, so it'll be after.
[2:14:16] >> Yeah. And then and then and then it's
[2:14:17] holiday, right? It's turkey turkey week.
[2:14:20] Just this is starting to get harder.
[2:14:23] >> Okay. I thought you were doing a tour in
[2:14:25] the earlier in the fall.
[2:14:26] >> We we have two tours. So, we have the
[2:14:29] >> the southern tour, which is the 16th
[2:14:31] through the 20th, and then the tour for
[2:14:35] December, which is the 7th through the
[2:14:37] 10th.
[2:14:37] >> Okay. So they're both after we're done
[2:14:39] with
[2:14:39] >> R. Okay.
[2:14:40] >> RA's been doing a lot of lot of lot of
[2:14:43] movement and going on that and I know
[2:14:44] that Craig in the background is also
[2:14:47] pushing a lot with the constituents
[2:14:49] around this week.
[2:14:50] >> Great. All right.
[2:14:52] >> I think we're going to be swimming in
[2:14:53] applications.
[2:14:54] >> Great. Well, that's good news. Right.
[2:14:57] >> So Jorge, the one outreach piece that we
[2:14:59] talked about yesterday and I think that
[2:15:01] it's important people are use used to
[2:15:04] putting their applications in early.
[2:15:06] many of them. Um, and you've received
[2:15:09] some questions related to the existing
[2:15:11] application process that's on our
[2:15:12] website. You're replacing that with
[2:15:15] information related to this new process.
[2:15:18] Uh, you kind of threw some language at
[2:15:20] me the other day. That'll be out there
[2:15:21] shortly. Uh, and potential applicants
[2:15:24] will then see what the new process is.
[2:15:27] And I think it would be a good place for
[2:15:28] us to upload that video that you're
[2:15:31] going to put together with your comm's
[2:15:33] team to allow them to to access that if
[2:15:36] they're seeking out the voting access
[2:15:38] grant uh through the traditional channel
[2:15:40] of going to the Udor website. Yeah, I
[2:15:43] I'll make sure to to talk about both of
[2:15:45] the grant programs and then uh I reached
[2:15:48] out to uh Austin again, Austin and Neil,
[2:15:51] they're they're both on on the comps
[2:15:53] team um to kind of adjust the language
[2:15:56] that we have on our website. Um I
[2:15:58] submitted a request for that and so
[2:16:00] hopefully within this week they can get
[2:16:02] that adjusted.
[2:16:05] >> Great.
[2:16:05] >> Yeah, that's what we have on grants.
[2:16:08] Okay. Any further comments, questions or
[2:16:11] accolades or or that he's done?
[2:16:17] This is great. You know, we really
[2:16:18] appreciate all the work that you and the
[2:16:20] others in the division have done on
[2:16:22] this. So,
[2:16:23] >> thank you.
[2:16:26] >> Okay.
[2:16:28] All right. Uh we have some miscellaneous
[2:16:31] items on our agenda but these were just
[2:16:34] topics basically for future meetings. Um
[2:16:39] you know so far our meetings have been
[2:16:41] driven by grant deadlines and grant
[2:16:43] reviews but in the beginning when we
[2:16:46] reestablish the council we talked about
[2:16:49] some other um kind of strategic goals
[2:16:52] and types of meetings and you know
[2:16:54] looking at bylaws occasionally. So, I'm
[2:16:56] thinking we're going to need some
[2:16:58] meeting like that coming up after we
[2:17:01] finish with the grant review time. So,
[2:17:03] maybe first of the year could be a good
[2:17:06] time to do that kind of focusing in
[2:17:09] ourselves as the voting advisory
[2:17:11] council, what we want to do for the
[2:17:12] following year. Uh what kind of meeting
[2:17:15] schedule we want to set up for the year.
[2:17:18] Um,
[2:17:20] so I'm just I always like to throw
[2:17:22] things in a hopper on an agenda for
[2:17:24] future agenda items. And I would welcome
[2:17:27] all council members and even the
[2:17:30] associated exeicio members. If you have
[2:17:33] an idea for an agenda item that could be
[2:17:36] for some future presentation, you know,
[2:17:39] just send it to me or Jorge and uh we'll
[2:17:42] start building future agenda item list
[2:17:45] as part of our agendas. Um,
[2:17:50] we won't get to some of the stuff on
[2:17:52] this number seven obviously because
[2:17:53] we've run out of time. Um, I want to
[2:17:56] allow Kent Singleton if you're able to
[2:18:00] access your mic. Kent, we'd love to hear
[2:18:03] from
[2:18:04] >> Can you hear me now?
[2:18:05] >> Yes.
[2:18:07] >> Wonderful.
[2:18:09] >> So, but you've got three minutes. You've
[2:18:11] got our attention.
[2:18:12] >> Well, thank you. So, good afternoon. My
[2:18:14] name is Kent Singleton. I own two
[2:18:16] parcels at Taggers on the Weber River.
[2:18:19] Concerning your Boers access grant
[2:18:22] process that for years my private
[2:18:25] driveway and adjoining property have
[2:18:27] functionally been treated as part of the
[2:18:30] Heniper Tagert boating access project.
[2:18:33] The public and commercial outfitters
[2:18:36] have been directed into this area for
[2:18:37] river access while signs, proposed
[2:18:40] improvements, and governmental project
[2:18:43] materials have treated the location as a
[2:18:45] public boating facility. Because of this
[2:18:48] boating advisory council, my question
[2:18:50] today is direct. What boating access
[2:18:53] funding has this council DWR, the
[2:18:56] Division of Outdoor Recreation, or
[2:18:58] another state program recommended,
[2:19:01] approved, awarded, reimbursed, or paid
[2:19:03] to Morgan County for the Hener Tagert
[2:19:06] project. The Morgan County's application
[2:19:09] materials identify an estimated project
[2:19:11] cost of approximately $239,100,
[2:19:16] including an $164,100
[2:19:20] requested from the state in a proposed
[2:19:22] $75,000
[2:19:24] Morgan County ARPA match. The project
[2:19:26] materials describe frontage road and
[2:19:29] parking improvements, asphalt paving,
[2:19:31] signs, river pull out, toilet,
[2:19:34] landscaping, vendor access, and
[2:19:36] accommodation of public and commercial
[2:19:38] recreation. Asphalt paving and related
[2:19:41] work have now been completed. I
[2:19:43] respectfully request a written
[2:19:44] accounting identifying whether the
[2:19:47] $164,100
[2:19:49] was approved or paid, the amount of the
[2:19:52] date of every award and reimbursement or
[2:19:54] funding commitment, the approved scope
[2:19:56] of work, and whether the recent paving
[2:19:59] was included in the state funded boating
[2:20:02] access project. I also ask what deed,
[2:20:05] recorded easement, right-ofway,
[2:20:07] landowner authorization, survey, or
[2:20:10] other proof of lawful site control
[2:20:13] Mortyn County submitted before funding
[2:20:16] was recommended or approved. Mortyn
[2:20:18] County's GIS map depicts my two parcels
[2:20:21] in this area, and that mapping is
[2:20:23] supported by county recorded parcel
[2:20:26] documentation. I recognize that the GIS
[2:20:29] alone is not a final title
[2:20:31] determination. However, the county
[2:20:33] should be required to identify exactly
[2:20:36] what property it represented as owning
[2:20:39] or lawfully controlling. Despite my
[2:20:42] grandma request, I have not received the
[2:20:44] complete explanation of the funding or
[2:20:46] site control documentation. I
[2:20:48] respectfully ask that my statement in
[2:20:51] GIS exhibits be preserved, that the
[2:20:54] responsible agencies provide written
[2:20:56] answers, that no additional Tagert
[2:20:59] funding be approved without documented
[2:21:02] site control and landowner
[2:21:03] authorization.
[2:21:05] My private driveway should not be
[2:21:07] funded, promoted, or operated as a
[2:21:10] public boating access project without
[2:21:13] first establishing the legal right to
[2:21:16] use it. And I ask that this speech be
[2:21:19] recorded, please.
[2:21:22] >> All right. Thank you, Kent. And uh you
[2:21:24] know, I don't know anything about your
[2:21:25] grant your grandma request, but um we
[2:21:29] appreciate you're taking the time to
[2:21:30] join us and uh you found a way to join
[2:21:33] us remotely, so that's great. I hope
[2:21:36] that makes it easier for you.
[2:21:38] >> Thank you.
[2:21:40] >> Yeah.
[2:21:41] Okay. Is there any other item
[2:21:45] that anybody would like to mention
[2:21:48] events or maybe a motion to close the
[2:21:52] meeting?
[2:21:52] >> I just had a quick question for Dwit,
[2:21:54] but you mentioned something about Lynen
[2:21:55] Marina and I didn't catch all that. Dit,
[2:21:57] will you repeat what you said about
[2:21:58] Lynon Marina?
[2:22:01] Yes, Lynen Marina, which was privately
[2:22:03] owned, uh was recently sold to a
[2:22:06] developer in the London area who plans
[2:22:10] to make it an amenity to a excuse me, a
[2:22:14] large housing development that's going
[2:22:17] in immediately to the east of the
[2:22:20] harbor. they have notified all the
[2:22:22] voters to remove all of their craft by
[2:22:25] the end of the month and um justifying
[2:22:29] so u because of very low water uh in
[2:22:33] that marina of less than three feet. So
[2:22:36] all of the sailors have I think there's
[2:22:39] three boats left in the puddle but
[2:22:41] that's about it. Um uh we understand the
[2:22:44] plans of this private developer are to
[2:22:47] eventually
[2:22:49] uh upgrade the building um the general
[2:22:52] store and the dockage. Other than that,
[2:22:56] I don't I can't speak to any other
[2:23:00] plans. They have not told uh the boat
[2:23:04] slip owners or boat storage folks their
[2:23:08] plans beyond uh the end of the month.
[2:23:13] Will it be will it have public access
[2:23:16] still?
[2:23:16] >> Yes. Oh, yeah. They they have pledged to
[2:23:19] retain public access.
[2:23:22] >> Well, since it's state sovereign land
[2:23:24] and not privately owned, they would have
[2:23:25] to um so just a just a mild correction
[2:23:29] here. It's not a privately owned. The
[2:23:31] lease has been transferred and sold.
[2:23:33] >> Okay. I I apologize. Yes, it's Yes.
[2:23:37] Yeah, it's a was a privately held lease.
[2:23:40] Correct.
[2:23:40] >> Yep. It's still safe state land. So
[2:23:42] there is there has to be public access
[2:23:44] on those lands. But but the lease is
[2:23:47] trading chicken.
[2:23:49] >> So but there'll be interruption while
[2:23:50] they do the modifications apparently. I
[2:23:52] wasn't aware of that. But yeah,
[2:23:54] >> also Lyndon just with the depths and
[2:23:57] everything is there. If you've voted on
[2:23:59] Utah Lake outside of Lynon up to a
[2:24:02] quarter mile or more out, there's a
[2:24:04] large bar that goes across the the
[2:24:06] marina there. So years past Lynen Marina
[2:24:09] itself would be a great depth, but you
[2:24:11] could never get across that that bar
[2:24:15] with that. Yeah, it's not it's not a fun
[2:24:17] one to to try to get in and out of with
[2:24:19] that. So you gota have a shallow shallow
[2:24:21] draft boat. So I mean with you know
[2:24:23] fixed kills, yeah, they're done. They're
[2:24:26] done in that area if they're if it's a
[2:24:28] fixed kill boat. They would have been
[2:24:29] way done um earlier with that. Uh
[2:24:32] retractables still going to run some
[2:24:35] issues.
[2:24:40] I just want to clarify that.
[2:24:40] >> I caught that when you said that, too.
[2:24:42] Like, oh, resold. [laughter]
[2:24:47] » Uh, let's see. Craig,
[2:24:51] >> yeah, a couple things just in response
[2:24:53] to Kent. Uh, Kent, I never saw your
[2:24:56] grammar request. If you could submit
[2:24:58] that uh through the Division of Wildlife
[2:25:00] Resources, that would be great. Uh, I
[2:25:03] just did a pretty cursory search. Um, we
[2:25:07] could probably do a more in-depth
[2:25:08] search, but I looked through our
[2:25:10] database and all the projects we had
[2:25:13] historically uh, accomplished with the
[2:25:16] boating access grant in the state of
[2:25:17] Utah using federal funds and did not see
[2:25:19] anything related to the Weaver River or
[2:25:22] Heniper. Um, but again, I would do a
[2:25:25] more in-depth dive with a grammar
[2:25:26] request. So, just to let you know, um I
[2:25:30] would take care of that if you if I were
[2:25:31] to see that grammar request. So, please
[2:25:33] send it my way uh via the Division of
[2:25:35] Wildlife Resources and they will forward
[2:25:36] it to me.
[2:25:39] And if you can give me your direct email
[2:25:41] address because I've already done that.
[2:25:44] Uh that's not usually how we do this
[2:25:47] with grammar requests, but uh I can go
[2:25:50] ahead and forward that request then via
[2:25:53] the grammar process to the person who is
[2:25:55] the coordinator to do the grammar and
[2:25:58] they will then circle it back to me and
[2:25:59] ask me for the information. So uh
[2:26:02] >> if you can let me know, I'm I'd be sure
[2:26:05] to receive that.
[2:26:06] >> Absolutely. It is my name c r ai g w a l
[2:26:11] keer
[2:26:13] at utah spelledout.gov.
[2:26:18] » Thank you.
[2:26:19] >> And uh just for those that were talking
[2:26:21] about Lynen, um it is a lease. Hopefully
[2:26:25] the improvements that have been made at
[2:26:27] Lynen Harbor historically were not uh
[2:26:30] moved by the former owner when they
[2:26:33] decided to uh relinquish their lease.
[2:26:36] We'll have to take a look at that and
[2:26:39] make sure that any docks, any
[2:26:41] improvements that could have been moved
[2:26:43] are still there.
[2:26:45] >> Yeah. Might might require a site visit.
[2:26:48] >> Absolutely.
[2:26:52] » Any other announcements or
[2:26:55] things from any other council members?
[2:27:01] I've got one announcement. Uh coming up
[2:27:03] in February will be uh fishing day on
[2:27:06] the hill and we'd love to have the
[2:27:08] boating advisory council have a table
[2:27:09] there uh because boating is a big part
[2:27:12] of our fishing uh recreation activity.
[2:27:15] Um we've had you there before uh coming
[2:27:19] up on I think it's the 12th of February.
[2:27:22] So uh we'll start getting the word out
[2:27:24] about that. Get everybody well planned
[2:27:28] and advised for fishing day on the hill.
[2:27:30] It's a midday 11 to1
[2:27:34] 11 to2 event.
[2:27:38] Okay. Do I have a motion for adjourning?
[2:27:42] >> I'll make the motion we adjourn the
[2:27:44] meeting.
[2:27:45] >> Motion by George. Second by anybody?
[2:27:48] >> I'll second.
[2:27:50] >> Okay. Second. No discussion.
[2:27:54] A vote. All in favor say I.
[2:27:56] >> I. I.
[2:27:57] >> I.
[2:27:59] >> Okay. Motion carries. Thank you all for
[2:28:02] staying 30 minutes after I, you know,
[2:28:06] sometimes it's hard to keep everything
[2:28:08] under two hours, but it was a good
[2:28:10] meeting. I thought we had a lot of good
[2:28:12] information and discussion. So, thank
[2:28:14] you for hanging in there for the extra
[2:28:16] 30 minutes
[2:28:18] and we'll see you again on November
[2:28:21] 10th.
[2:28:23] >> Thanks everybody.