[0:04] Good evening and welcome to the Thursday, [0:06] April 23rd, 2026 Town Council meeting. [0:10] Before we get going, councilor Foot, would you [0:13] Yes. [0:14] Yeah. Thank you. I [0:21] coordination of regard invisible with liberty and justice. [0:28] Thank you. Just as a reminder, [0:32] emergency exits are at [0:33] the back of the room and the side of the room. [0:34] And please silence all cell phones. [0:38] We'll start with roll call. Councilor Mills. [0:41] Good evening, Councilor Healy. [0:43] Good evening, councilor Webb. Good evening, councilor Chase. [0:46] Good evening, Councillor Foot. Good evening. [0:48] And good evening from the chair. [0:50] Councillor Flood will not be joining us this evening. [0:53] Alright, we do have a consent agenda. [0:57] I think it's just one thing on there. Yep. [0:59] Consent agenda to approve item 26 42 [1:02] to approve the minutes from the [1:03] April 16th, 2026 budget workshop. [1:07] I make a motion that we approve the consent agenda. [1:10] Second. Alright, on the motion. [1:14] Council mills? Yes. Councillor Healy. Yes. Councilor Webb. [1:17] Yes. Councillor Chase? Yes. Councillor Foot? Yes. [1:20] And chair votes? Yes. Motion passes. Seven zero. All right. [1:24] We are here tonight for public hearing [1:27] for 26 31 resolution 2026 dash zero eight [1:31] to adopt the FY 27 town budget [1:33] and FY 27 to FY 32, capital improvement plan. [1:37] And I will turn it over to town administrator Mike ler. [1:43] Alright, good evening. [1:46] So tonight this is one of the final steps in our fiscal 27 [1:51] budget in our six year CIP plan. [1:55] We've had a couple of budget workshops [1:58] and we did an initial presentation on April 7th. [2:02] So lemme just go through some of the highlights as [2:04] to the overall budget. [2:06] It is definitely a year-round process. [2:08] We have to, you know, be on top [2:10] of the data points looking at projected valuations. [2:14] There's always constant consultation with planning [2:16] and economic development about what's in the pipeline. [2:19] That's an important projection that we have to look at [2:22] as far as setting the tax rate inflation data. [2:25] Obviously we keep an eye on that pretty religiously just [2:29] because of world events. [2:30] And that has an impact on how much we can raise [2:33] as a maximum cap on our tax rate coordination [2:37] with department heads on any of their staffing needs. [2:39] If anything has changed, obviously preliminary quotes have [2:43] to be sought and sometimes that takes a lot of lead time [2:46] to get an accurate quote, knowing [2:49] that sometimes you won't have possession of that vehicle [2:52] or that equipment for maybe two [2:54] to three years in some instances. [2:56] And then obviously financial projections from our CFO on [2:59] motor vehicle registrations and interest incomes. [3:02] That's obviously, you know, looking at the data [3:05] and providing that. [3:06] So get a lot of input from everybody that you see here [3:09] behind me and, and they all do a wonderful job at, [3:11] at keeping the data fresh so [3:14] that we can provide accurate [3:15] projections to the town council. [3:18] So let's start with what the tax rate is [3:21] for the past year tax year 2025 [3:24] town rate is $5 and 39 cents. [3:26] And I highlighted the yellow just for illustration, [3:30] that in the last year [3:32] it went up 14 cents at [3:34] 2.66% on the tax rate. [3:37] And that is only a portion of the total rate [3:40] of $18 and 99 cents. [3:42] So the next slide is to illustrate that [3:46] this budget only is reflecting 28% [3:50] of the expenditures in that comprise [3:53] of the 9 18 99 total tax rate. [3:57] All the other individual groups have their own legislative [4:01] process that don't involve the group that's here tonight. [4:06] Okay. Now, one of the areas [4:08] that is very important talk about is that we have a tax cap [4:12] and we have had in in dairy for many years, [4:16] and it's in our town charter. [4:17] So the way that it works is the 2026 tax rate maximum [4:21] increase is determined [4:23] by the trailing years consumer price index. [4:26] So for CPIU Northeast, [4:29] it's estimated at 3%, 3.3%. [4:33] And when you take last year's tax rate at $5 [4:36] and 39 cents, add 3.3%, [4:39] the maximum allowable is 5.57. [4:43] So $5 and 57 cents is what we're working on as the maximum [4:48] rate the capital improvement program must fit within the [4:52] allowable increase in the tax cap without depleting the [4:55] capital reserve funds for each department. [4:57] So that's also important to know that we have to make all of [5:00] that fit within the tax cap number. [5:04] When we look at valuation, this is another important part [5:07] of the equation. [5:09] So on or about April 1st of each year, [5:13] the assessor looks at any of the new construction [5:15] that had happened in the previous year and assesses that [5:19] and puts that on the roll for 2026. [5:22] In the trailing year, we had made an estimate [5:24] that there was $20 million of new valuation. [5:27] The actual valuation increased by 55 million. [5:30] So that was a really positive development on that. [5:34] Fiscal 2027, again, consulting with numerous departments, [5:38] we're looking at about $50 million of new valuation [5:42] for projects that have been completed. [5:45] And again, we also wanna point out there's additional [5:48] development within the DCC TIF district Abbott Court, [5:52] and that ultimately supports the TIF district expenditures. [5:55] And that would be out in fiscal 28 and beyond. [6:00] So let's take a look at the tax rates. [6:02] So one of the things that I have in front [6:04] of you is looking at the last 10 years [6:07] and seeing what the CPI is now, not in, [6:10] not in all cases did the council take an action to [6:15] put in the full value to the tax cap, [6:18] but you can see on the left the numbers you went [6:21] through fiscal 18 to 22, [6:24] all those years had under 2% inflation. [6:27] And that's, you know, guided [6:28] and restricted what the towns budget could be increased [6:32] by then the COVID [6:33] or post COVID years hit, those are highlighted in yellow. [6:37] Now we've come back down to maybe more normalized. [6:40] I'm not sure if you know, I'm not an economist, [6:42] I can't predict what the future years would be like, [6:44] but we're trending around 3% per year [6:48] after those two spike years. [6:49] So just to kinda give you some history of, of where [6:53] that tax rate has been increased. [6:57] And again, just this is just a data point [7:00] for the CPIU Northeast, it's just a running index [7:04] that you look back and, [7:05] and you know, what we ended up doing was you take those two [7:07] numbers, you can apply them year over year, [7:11] you can apply them over a 10 year period, [7:13] but it gives you an idea of [7:16] what the inflation increases are. [7:18] I'm sure in each individual, you know, homeowner, [7:20] they can say, geez, you know, my price [7:22] of heating oil has really, you know, not reflected this [7:25] or the cost of a vehicle, [7:26] but it's a blended average that the, [7:28] the federal government keeps and, [7:30] and it's an important benchmark that they report each month. [7:35] So one of the things that's within our budget [7:37] that we do end up having to to talk about is our budget is, [7:41] is definitely reflective of local, regional, [7:43] and global economic trends. [7:45] So the CPIU is up 32% [7:49] since July, 2017. [7:52] But we also have a number of products [7:55] that haven't followed that. [7:56] For example, we put down 3,500 tons of salt a year. [8:00] That price was $54 a ton back then, [8:03] it's now almost $80 a ton and we're waiting a new price. [8:07] So that's 47% increase trash disposal, [8:11] that was $64 a ton. [8:13] Now that's $105 per ton. That's a 65% increase. [8:19] One of the largest drivers in this year's budget has been [8:21] the increase of employee healthcare. [8:24] So again, for the public's edification, we generally, our, [8:29] our employees are covered [8:31] with comprehensive healthcare at 87% town share. [8:35] There's one contract that is not that way [8:36] because they have an alternate health system. [8:40] But essentially those costs are driven [8:43] in our personnel budget. [8:44] So just to put this into context [8:47] for the plans are essentially the same from 10 years [8:49] ago to what they are now. [8:51] But an Anthem AB 15 plan, the total cost, again, [8:55] we didn't break it down between employee and employer, [8:59] but essentially all three categories. [9:02] One person, two person family, that's up 90% since FY 18. [9:07] And we had a pretty significant spike this year of 27%. [9:10] So you can imagine what that means as far as us having to, [9:14] you know, try to balance this budget within the tax cap. [9:17] So I do want to talk about how do we manage the tax cap. [9:20] So we have to leverage, you know, state [9:21] and federal grants for operations and infrastructure. [9:24] All all the major departments are constantly looking [9:27] for those grant opportunities to leverage our funds [9:30] with state or federal funds. [9:32] We've been really good at looking at energy [9:34] efficiency projects. [9:35] We have a solar field [9:37] that is going online very shortly at the landfill. [9:40] We have always been involved with cooperative purchasing [9:43] of materials either through state or other cooperative bids. [9:47] We also look at right time capital improvements. [9:50] You know, we, we try to wait until something has [9:54] to be replaced, but we don't wanna wait too long [9:56] until the repair bills are too high. [9:59] We also have effective use of fund balances that have been [10:03] placed for specific purposes. [10:05] And then in some instances, quite honestly, [10:08] the town goes without and, [10:10] and that's just the reality items such [10:12] as curbside trash pickup. [10:14] There's several positions that other peer communities have, [10:17] you know, perhaps deputies [10:18] or additional, you know, folks on the line [10:21] that we just can't afford. [10:22] So every decision we have to really take a hard look at [10:26] because of the tax cap [10:28] and all of the other factors that come into play. [10:32] So what does our budget support? [10:33] So emergency services 24 7 365, full fire and police. [10:38] Our municipal center is open 45 hours per week Monday [10:41] through Friday for in-person services. [10:43] And obviously people can utilize online servicing as well. [10:48] We have a full station, full service [10:50] drop off transfer station. [10:52] We have our DPW operations for road maintenance [10:55] and building maintenance. [10:56] We have two highly regarded libraries that are operated. [11:00] And then we have recreational activities parks year round [11:03] including tennis courts, rail trail, hiking areas, [11:07] conservation parcels, summer concerts and fireworks. [11:11] Additionally, we have access [11:12] to government meetings through dairy cam. [11:14] We support a number of social service programs. [11:18] Just wanna make a point that the users support the water [11:20] and sewer systems that's not covered by [11:23] the general fund taxes, [11:25] although you'll see references to that in this budget. [11:28] Only the people that are utilizing those services are paying [11:31] for those costs. [11:33] The tiff district revenue support activities within the [11:36] boundaries of the, the district. [11:38] We have two of them, which called the Dairy commerce [11:41] corridor, TIFF and the Gateway TIFF District. [11:44] And then as we had mentioned earlier, [11:46] the capital improvement plan is also covered [11:48] within the annual budget. [11:52] So these are the final details of, we went through a number [11:56] of discussions with council. [11:59] You had a few minor adjustments. [12:02] I went over those adjustments on the 21st. [12:06] But essentially what you see here is a list [12:08] of all the different categories. [12:09] General fund, capital improvements, capital bonds, [12:13] water fund, wastewater fund, cable revolving fund, [12:18] TIF districts, and then we have revenues. [12:20] And so in the end, what you see at the bottom is [12:23] what we started with the tax rate last year was [12:25] $5 and 39 cents. [12:28] This budget delivers when it nets out [12:30] after revenues are subtracted $5 [12:33] and 57 cents, which matches the 3.3% increase. [12:37] So to put into perspective for, you know, real terms [12:41] on an average $500,000 assessed home in dairy. [12:46] And we have, you know, that's, that's pretty close to the, [12:48] the average, if you go up at that 3.3% increase, [12:52] that's a $90 increase over last year's tax rate. [12:56] And again, remember that is only one portion [12:58] of the four legs within your tax bill. [13:02] Okay. And again, just to put this little bit larger here, [13:06] gross appropriations are 77,000,914 [13:10] $185. [13:12] Once you subtract out revenues, veterans credit [13:14] and overlay, we come down to the bottom line [13:17] of $31,818,022. [13:22] You divide it by the total estimated valuation [13:26] of 5.7 billion. [13:27] And that's how we arrive at the 5.57 tax rate. [13:33] Again, just want to go through some of the major [13:36] variances year over year. [13:37] These are the big drivers in our budget. [13:40] Full-time wages because of union contracts [13:42] that were recently settled, [13:44] those are up 5.2% over last year. [13:47] It's important to note that that is representative of steps [13:51] for, you know, as a, a junior employee works their way [13:54] through and gets more proficient. [13:56] You have to compensate them [13:57] and also cost of livings that are enveloped within there. [14:02] Health insurance, as I had referenced earlier, [14:04] that's up 27.4%. [14:07] That was a pretty vicious spike for the town [14:09] to have to absorb this year. [14:11] Workers' comp is up 9.4%. [14:14] That's just been a trend that we've seen. [14:16] Retirement contributions are up 7.1%. [14:19] Again, that's a result of just increased full-time wages. [14:24] It service contracts up 4.8%. [14:27] We are dropping our electricity 12.9% as a result of [14:32] better costs that we're getting as a result [14:34] of the solar field going online. [14:37] And then lastly, one of the concerns [14:40] that we had in our budget was to make sure [14:42] that typically roadway maintenance is funded at [14:45] around the $1.6 million level. [14:47] And the council has done a great job at keeping up with that [14:50] as time has gone on. [14:52] We did an assessment and looked at the condition [14:54] of the roads town wide [14:55] and they're at an 88, [14:56] which is the highest number that we've had. [14:58] It's, it's beyond the good category. [15:01] We also have a number of projects that are concurrent [15:04] that are going to continue to enhance the roads such [15:07] as Chinita Road Exit four A. [15:09] So those projects are going to also enhance the road [15:13] and we felt it was prudent this year to help with some [15:15] of the other pressures on our budget [15:17] to reduce the roadway maintenance budget by $250,000. [15:21] So, so major goals of the fiscal 27 budget. [15:26] We want to continue favor momentum in our development train. [15:31] We wanna sustain core functions, emergency [15:33] and regular town service. [15:34] This does meet the town charter [15:37] with the 3.3 tax rate increase. [15:40] We also had as part [15:42] of the negotiations address competitiveness in pay [15:45] through the CBA implementation trust fund. [15:47] So we were u we are utilizing a significant amount [15:51] of money in that fund to make sure that we don't continue [15:55] to see some hemorrhaging of police officers fire off fire [16:00] fighters and DPW employees. [16:02] We're gonna continue to support the TIFF [16:05] District economic expansion [16:07] and it continues to support infrastructure growth, water, [16:10] sewer, and exit four. [16:11] A couple of highlights that I just wanna put out there. [16:15] All staffing levels, capital [16:17] and debt service are funded within this budget. [16:19] The administrator's budget does include one new full-time [16:23] position, which is a building inspector. [16:24] And again that's reflective of the development [16:27] that we're seeing out in the field. [16:28] We don't want people to be waiting unnecessarily for permits [16:31] and and responses on that. [16:32] And it's been something we've, we've identified for a number [16:35] of years but just couldn't afford. [16:37] But now we think the revenues can support that. [16:40] Revenues in motor vehicles, that's up 4% interest income, [16:45] we've projected up 4% as well. [16:47] And then state sources mainly rooms [16:49] and meals tax, that's up 2.6%. [16:52] And then as we had mentioned earlier, [16:54] the roadway management program is reduced [16:56] as a one year adjustment by 250,000. [17:01] Again, some other variances, full-time wages, [17:04] health insurance, workers' comp, electricity [17:08] and IT contracts. [17:12] One of the features of this budget is the [17:14] use of dedicated funds. [17:15] So the CBA implementation trust has been built over the last [17:20] five years and we are requesting use [17:22] of $1.275 million primarily [17:26] to overcome the health insurance increase. [17:29] That wasn't anticipated last year. [17:32] I believe we had a 15% increase. [17:33] But to make the budget work within the tax cap, that is one [17:38] of the the relief measures that we're looking to do. [17:41] We're also seeking to use $569,000 a fund balance. [17:45] That's been an a regular practice of the council. [17:49] There's still $444,000 [17:51] of COVID trust per previous designation by town council. [17:55] And then we also move $675,000 [17:59] for compensated absence funds. [18:01] Similar contributions for past years. [18:03] This is for if we have an employee who leaves [18:06] and has a large earn time balance [18:08] or whatnot, we have funds at our disposal to make [18:11] that without making an unnecessary hit on the [18:15] existing years budget. [18:17] Okay, so to cap off, [18:19] this is the schedule that we've gone through. [18:21] So we've had, this is the fifth opportunity to go [18:25] through some of the discussions on the budget [18:27] and the CIP the council is scheduled to vote on May 5th [18:32] to adopt both of those budgets. [18:34] And your playbook will look something like this. [18:36] You have two resolutions public hearing [18:40] and two resolutions for the water [18:42] and sewer rates that'll be in effect for FY 27. [18:46] And then you have two resolutions. [18:48] One to adopt the town budget FY 27 [18:52] and a second one to adopt the FY 27 [18:55] to 32 capital improvement plan. [18:57] And we'll go over that here momentarily. [19:01] Alright, so I guess one of the questions, [19:03] did you wanna break and have any questions on the budget? [19:06] We can do that. Or would you rather me steam through the CIP [19:10] and take any questions and public comment at that point? [19:13] Yeah, I think if you wanna finish your, [19:14] your presentation then we can do the public hearing [19:16] and then counselors can ask questions from [19:19] there if that's all right with everyone. [19:20] Okay. [19:23] All right. Thank you Owen. Alright, [19:26] so now looking at the FY 27 to FY 32 CIP, [19:30] again, this is a, a really iterative process. [19:35] Lot of help from department heads [19:36] and senior staff looking at, you know, [19:39] needs in about four categories. [19:41] So we're looking to replace existing units that are due [19:44] to be replaced on their age [19:46] or their future projected repair cost. [19:49] If there's an enhanced service opportunity, you'll see some [19:52] of those, A bonded [19:53] or grant funded project for a utility expansion [19:56] and then ongoing maintenance for roads. [19:59] So generally fall into those four categories. [20:03] Process starts before January of 26th, [20:06] but typically all the department heads submit their needs [20:09] and cost estimates to the town administrator and the CFO. [20:12] We review that, take that [20:14] to the planning board in mid-February. [20:17] Then we look at this [20:18] and see how it can fit within the budgets [20:21] that's been submitted by each department in April. [20:24] Then we bring it to town council. [20:25] And then on May 5th, the adoption date. [20:29] So the six year plan values out to $62.5 million. [20:34] The general fund is covering 30.4 million, [20:38] the water fund at 12.9 million. [20:40] And then the wastewater fund has $19.9 million. [20:43] So sounds like a, a substantial number. [20:47] But looking at fiscal 27, 26 [20:51] $0.6 million [20:52] of projects general fund 7.4 million water funds 11.6 [20:57] and the wastewater fund is 7.6 million. [21:00] Now this is where this gets interesting. [21:05] So in many instances the town has the opportunity [21:09] to receive a grant up to 100% reimbursement. [21:13] So one of the things that's been going on [21:15] the Southern New Hampshire Regional Water Project [21:19] is furnishing $11.3 million in grant funding. [21:22] And that is 100% of the cost [21:24] that's represented as an expenditure. [21:27] So it's no net cost to the town. [21:29] Vehicles in certain classes [21:31] of equipment usually are put on a spread finance. [21:33] So five to seven [21:35] or seven year financing packages, [21:37] those are competitively bid. [21:38] But what this does is it promotes level payments. [21:40] So if we take a package of several vehicles [21:43] or equipment market those to all the different banks [21:47] and we get sets of principle [21:48] and interest payments that can be woven in. [21:51] And so we have some predictability of [21:53] what we can and can't afford. [21:55] Nearly $10 million of that $62 million plan is committed [21:59] to pavement management and that is supported [22:02] through annual tax receipts. [22:03] So you see that within your annual budget each year. [22:06] And then per year council policy, [22:08] unrestricted fund balance proceeds are distributed [22:11] to each department's capital reserve fund along with use [22:14] of current fiscal year funds. [22:16] So those are some of the mechanisms that we use to fund that [22:19] and again, fall within the tax cap. [22:22] So looking at the tax impact of the CIP projects, [22:26] you can see in the, in the yellow, that's a dollar 14 [22:30] of net tax impact on FY 26. [22:34] For fiscal 27 we're at a dollar 10. [22:36] And then the projects, as you move further out, [22:39] sometimes we maybe don't have as good of a handle on some [22:42] of the projects out to the sixth or seventh year. [22:46] But again, that project list is updated annually. [22:49] But just wanted to give everybody an idea of [22:52] what those ramifications are on our tax rate. [22:55] Again, this is just a large summary of this, [22:58] it's probably too small for everybody [23:00] to see in the audience, [23:01] but this is just a summary of all the various departments [23:04] and all the various line items [23:05] and how they total together [23:07] for the large scale plan that we've put together. [23:10] Let me go through some of the highlights of each department. [23:14] The police department, they're looking to replace six [23:18] of their vehicles with hybrid police interceptors. [23:22] And again, the old ones are shown on the left. [23:24] The new versions are there on the right. [23:27] Again, just to highlight, we are specifying hybrids [23:31] because the value in terms [23:34] of reduced fuel usage was born out. [23:37] And we feel that that's gonna be an actionable item to again [23:41] continue to keep the taxpayer's money solvent. [23:45] There's also $93,358 [23:48] for an ongoing communications contract. [23:52] And then there's another hybrid police interceptor [23:55] for the canine cruiser at just under $60,000. [24:00] In DPW, they're looking to purchase a, [24:03] a new sidewalk machine at $200,000. [24:06] This is a frontline plow truck and F [24:09] or 5,500 with plow wing plow and front plow. [24:13] That's $165,000 a [24:17] chipper, 75,000. [24:20] Three smaller pickup trucks with equipped [24:23] with plows at $65,000 times three. [24:26] And those are situated in various divisions. [24:29] One might be in a highway, another one might be in parks. [24:32] So those are replaced as needed on the, in the cycle [24:36] that we have established by the department head [24:39] to support the code enforcement director. [24:42] I mean the code enforcement position that we are seeking [24:44] to add, we obviously need a vehicle to support [24:47] that individual to do their inspection. [24:49] So we're proposing a 1500 truck [24:52] for $60,000 in the parks department. [24:55] One of the areas looking to maybe a force multiplier [24:59] as a ball field groomer, we're seeing more [25:01] and more teams seeking to play is the weather allows. [25:05] So that was a recommendation by the parks [25:07] and recreation director at the transfer station. [25:11] We had damage to an A former, basically it was a tarped [25:16] shed and we we're looking to replace it with a steel [25:21] transfer station pre-engineered building [25:23] to allow our trash trailers to be undercover so [25:26] that they don't be subjected to the weather [25:30] and they can go out of here as legal loads, [25:34] $1.35 million for the pavement management program. [25:37] And that was reduced for fiscal 27 in fire, [25:43] $1.3 million for an engine replacement. [25:46] I think it's been well chronicled that if we go ahead [25:49] and specify and pay for this, it may be several years [25:53] because of the, just the way [25:56] that the fire engine manufacturing process and fewer [26:00] and fewer companies that are out there, that is, [26:03] that is a challenge for municipalities across the [26:06] northeast and across the nation. [26:08] So we need to, to jump on that. [26:11] And then also an ambulance replacement at [26:14] $446,500 [26:18] in the water division. [26:20] As I had mentioned, the projects ahead [26:22] of them in the water division is looking at phase two [26:26] with a tank and with a new water main along Old Dairy Road. [26:30] DES had also provided some indication that phase two A [26:35] and phase two B were going to cost $11.3 million. [26:38] So within the CIP you'll see that represented council voted [26:42] to accept those grant funds on March 3rd, 2026 [26:46] to secure no net cost to the rate payers [26:49] or taxpayers in wastewater. [26:53] A couple of projects of note, 1500 feet [26:57] of effluent force main is gonna cost $1.4 million. [27:01] We have the sewer main [27:03] talking about Route 28 from the Frost Farm working in a [27:07] southerly direction towards Ryan's Hill. [27:09] Design is being underway as we speak [27:13] and that it was within the FY 26 CIP. [27:16] The next phase of this would be construction funds. [27:19] And so an estimate [27:21] of 6.181 million is in the FY 27 CIP. [27:25] And an EPA grant will cover 80% of an original cost estimate [27:30] of $3.2 million. [27:32] So that's also represented in the CIP. [27:35] So with that, those are the major projects [27:37] and happy to answer any questions or take the public comment [27:44] There. [27:45] A motion to open the public hearing. [27:46] Mad chair, I move open public hearing. Second that. [27:50] All right, all those in favor? Aye. Opposed? [27:55] All right. Public hearing is open if anyone would like [27:58] to come up and speak all about budget or the CIB [28:07] just come on up. [28:09] I like being first. [28:15] Good evening Council. Brian Church, six Rollin Street. [28:22] I just first want to congratulate this council [28:25] and the town administrator [28:26] for putting together a outstanding budget. [28:32] We all know that the town of Derry operates under a tax cap. [28:36] I like the tax cap. I always tout the tax cap. [28:41] A lot of people do not like the tax cap, [28:43] but the town dairy's operate under a tax cap for 33 years, [28:47] by the way, it started in 1993. [28:51] Never been overridden. [28:53] And look at we've got done and, [28:55] and all the good work that, [28:56] that the council has done over the years is fantastic. [29:02] A couple of things. I thought [29:04] that the adding the building inspector was a smart move. [29:08] I know Bob Mackey was a really smart guy [29:10] and was here for many years and could do a lot. [29:13] And then we have Ms. Owen come in, she's, she's newer. [29:17] So with all of the, the building [29:19] and development happening, it's a smart move [29:21] because I, I know that it can get slow sometimes with, [29:25] you know, a two person office. [29:27] So that was a smart move. I appreciate you doing that. [29:32] A couple of things, concerns that I do have with the budget, [29:35] and it's not anything particular, [29:37] but it's, I mean this is going across the whole state. [29:39] The healthcare costs [29:41] as the town administrator mentioned is [29:43] something that's really shocking. [29:45] A lot of people, London Dairy got hit with a $2 million [29:49] increase on their healthcare side of things, [29:52] which we didn't, but it's still, it's significant. [29:55] It, I don't know how sustainable it can be [29:57] because when we keep paying that, [30:00] that's taking away from some [30:01] of the projects that we wanna do. [30:02] So I think maybe in the future [30:05] you may wanna have a workshop, a discussion of how, [30:08] how we can arrange some of that pricing in if, if possible. [30:14] The, the other thing was the concern, [30:16] and it's not a major concern [30:17] because dairy's always been in the forefront [30:20] of the road program. [30:21] I know that you've cut [30:22] that back $250,000 to make things work. [30:27] And I get that because the way the tax cap works, [30:30] as Mike said, sometimes you have to go without, [30:33] or that's, that's real world folks. [30:36] Okay? I don't, I don't know anybody who has a household [30:39] that wants to do everything [30:40] and they can't, they've gotta prioritize. [30:43] However, with the road program, you gotta be careful [30:46] because those costs are going up as well. [30:48] So we get less and less done for, for, for that money. [30:52] So hopefully maybe [30:53] that's just a one time thing to make things work. [30:56] So that's, that's fine. [31:01] So I want to point out something very interesting. [31:06] So Mount ca my calculations bring this out [31:10] to an 18 cents per a thousand [31:12] of assessed value on, on a home in dairy. [31:16] That's what your budget is gonna actually produce if [31:19] passed 18 cents. [31:22] And like I mentioned, you guys have done a tremendous job. [31:27] Unfortunately I think people are not gonna see that [31:31] because come December [31:34] this town is gonna get hit and hit hard. [31:37] Okay, school's going way up. [31:40] I found out that the county's looking at a 12% increase [31:44] and so I think there's gonna be some angry people. [31:47] But I wanna leave you with one thing. [31:50] And again, good job everybody, Mike, very good job. [31:55] 18 cents on the tax rate for the town. [31:58] The school is going up a dollar 99. [32:03] That's 10 times the amount that you guys can raise. [32:07] That's 10 years of town [32:09] that the school is gonna raise in one year. [32:13] And if people talk to me, I'll let them know. [32:17] But they don't know [32:18] how government necessarily works in in town. [32:21] There's a lot of new people that come in and out. [32:23] But that's alarming to me 10 times. Okay? [32:28] And we all know, 'cause I've sat in [32:29] that chair 18 years come December, [32:32] they're gonna be calling all you making the complaint. [32:35] They're gonna be calling him, they're gonna be calling town [32:38] clerk and the people downstairs. [32:40] And I don't think that's fair [32:41] because we do, the town does the hard job [32:44] and they always have and they've prioritized. [32:47] And we've done a lot of good job, a lot of good in this town [32:50] and we've thought outside the box and things work well. [32:53] Okay. So I just wanna say congratulations. [32:56] I hope that that everything works out well. [32:58] But keep in mind that come December [33:02] you may have some angry people. [33:03] Thank you. [33:10] Is there anyone online? Madam [33:11] Chair? [33:12] Seeing none rise online. [33:16] All right, motion to close public hearing. [33:19] Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. [33:24] Opposed or abstentions? All right. Public hearing is closed. [33:28] Counselors, do you have any questions or comments? [33:32] I know you do. Councilor Webb, [33:36] Just a, a couple. [33:38] Going back to the COVID funds of, I believe it's 444,000 [33:42] at some point those are going to run out. [33:45] I know it won't affect this budget, [33:46] but how do you look at funding that in the future? [33:49] Yeah, so I believe in, [33:51] and I have to tell you, I don't have that chart with me, [33:54] but there was a projection [33:56] that was made over a five year period [33:58] and it's obviously a declining balance [34:00] because the COVID funds came in, they were banked [34:02] by a council action this year was 444,000. [34:06] I do believe that it diminishes [34:08] and it sunsets ARPA funds had sunset, right? [34:12] You had a period in fiscal 26. [34:15] I think that was the last revenue allocation. [34:17] So to your point, yes, that is going to be, again, [34:20] another challenge we're going to have [34:22] to incorporate in a future year's budget [34:24] because that revenue source won't be there. [34:26] Yeah. [34:28] Another question, this is [34:31] somebody in my neighborhood asked me this one, [34:33] which surprised me is the DPW pickup truck. [34:38] And they said, why don't you get the [34:40] hybrid like the cruisers? [34:42] And I said, I promise I'd ask. Okay. [34:45] No, it's, it's a great question. [34:46] So when we typically, we, [34:50] we've partnered from day one with Net Zero, Jeff Molten, [34:55] Mike fom and the whole committee. [34:57] And, and I've had a great opportunity to work with them [35:00] as we've evaluated various options for [35:04] hybrid electric vehicles. [35:08] Sometimes they make sense. [35:10] For example, we have two vehicles that are used [35:13] by municipal purposes that are in the parking lot here, [35:16] which I think have, have come out great. [35:18] We've had, we were able to get a grant, [35:20] but those don't have heavy loads on them, right? [35:22] They go around the police vehicles, the hybrid vehicles, [35:26] it was evaluated [35:28] and it was felt that an electrical VE electric vehicle [35:30] wouldn't have been suitable for them. [35:32] But when you think about the needs [35:34] for the hybrids had basically the same performance [35:37] as a gasoline fired vehicle. [35:38] They don't tow anything, they don't push snow, [35:41] they don't do anything of that nature. [35:43] So again, that was a suitable use. [35:45] But when it came to the DPW [35:46] vehicles, and I can tell you from my, [35:48] I was thinking the, the, I think it was talking about the [35:50] one for the inspector, the new one. Yeah. [35:53] You know, I, I guess it's something we could look at. [35:55] Yeah, if it was just a pickup truck versus that. [35:57] I mean I would say one of the things that we do try to do [36:01] specific in public works is a lot [36:03] of times if you have a lighter use for a vehicle, [36:05] it might be in buildings and grounds [36:07] and then it can be pushed into a plow truck Gotcha. [36:11] Later years. It gives us that opportunity. [36:13] So a 1500, a 2,500, they have some capabilities [36:17] to put a plow on the front, [36:18] but again, we try to to push those out for many years. [36:22] So again, we'll have Tom's here in the audience, [36:25] he can take a look at that as, as far as the viability, [36:28] you have $60,000 in the budget. [36:30] Yeah, so, so it is something we could [36:33] potentially take a peek at. [36:35] And the last thing I have is just general comments. [36:41] And again, thank you. I think this, a lot [36:43] of work was done on this [36:44] and we just wanna [36:47] endorse Mr. [36:49] Churchill's comments on the healthcare. [36:52] But just a reminder to the general public, 90% [36:56] of our budget is roughly personnel costs. [36:58] And a lot of that was decided when we did the CBAs. [37:04] Then the rest is, [37:07] I call non-discretionary funds like electricity, diesel, [37:12] even office supplies that you just have to have to run a, [37:15] run a department that only leaves. [37:17] And I know in the case of like the police department, [37:19] about 2% discretionary spending. [37:21] And so, you know, you gotta recognize the department heads [37:25] for being able to bring in new programs [37:29] when they really only have a couple percent in their budgets [37:33] of discretionary spending. [37:34] So that's really nice. [37:36] But to go back to health insurance at 27.4%, [37:39] we've gotta do a hard look at that. [37:41] So the last time we did it was 1994, [37:44] I was heavily involved in that [37:46] and I remember the numbers that we went from $617 a month [37:51] for family plan for Blue Cross JW to $450 a month [37:55] for Anthem Blue Choice. [37:58] And the council at the time was, oh that's fantastic. [38:01] We're saving 200 a month. [38:02] And if you look at those figures just adjusted by inflation, [38:06] that $450 a month just [38:08] for inflation would be $1,150 a month now [38:12] or roughly 13,800 a year. [38:15] We're paying 50,000 a year now [38:19] for health insurance. [38:23] And if you adjusted that 13,000 for inflation back in 95, [38:27] it'd be 31,000. [38:29] So we've gotta take hard work [38:31] because that really does, you know, as those COVID funds [38:36] go down, as we have to restock the [38:41] CBA trusts, we've gotta really look at that. [38:46] Thank you. Those are my comment for tonight. [38:49] Anyone else Continue? [38:53] Yeah, I would just add on, on the health insurance. [38:55] You know, I'm concerned with the costs [38:57] and I would be interested in maybe pursuing some other [39:00] options, but I would just be careful when pursuing those [39:03] options that, you know, I believe the plan [39:05] that we have right now is very good in [39:07] that if we're interested in, in switching [39:10] that we're gonna get kind of the same service that we want. [39:13] I think a lot of the employees are probably happy [39:15] with the health plan now I would be interested in seeing [39:19] what else is out there, but I don't want to also decrease [39:24] any types of their, their coverage as well. [39:27] And I know that would be part of the discussion [39:29] and you know, when, if we do go that route, [39:32] but I'm, I'm pretty confident that a lot [39:36] of the employees are, are satisfied with the plan. [39:40] Council mills, did you have something as [39:41] Well? [39:42] Yeah, I just had a, a small comment. [39:43] I wanted to thank all the department heads [39:45] that helped put together this budget [39:47] because in all my years of doing budgets here [39:50] and at the state and everything else, I've never seen [39:52] so much diligence put into a, a set of budgets [39:56] requiring us as overseers to not have [39:59] to do any heavy lifting [40:00] and sit here having giant debates on do we need this bus, [40:05] do we need this snowplow? [40:06] Because it's all been done, it's all been looked at. [40:09] And the fact that we've got everything down to literally 90% [40:13] of the budget is just wages [40:16] and salaries makes it a lot easier to go [40:18] through the rest of these items. [40:20] So kudos to all the department heads for bringing something [40:23] that was so diligent. [40:24] Thank you [40:26] Mr. Chase. [40:29] I just want to echo what Councilor Milt said looking, [40:33] excuse me through the line items. [40:35] I didn't see any fluff at all. [40:39] They, they really did a tight, tight budget this year [40:42] and I wanna congratulate on what a [40:46] fantastic job that they did in keeping the cost low [40:49] and providing the town what it needs. [40:54] I concur. [40:57] As do i, I I think it, it may be [40:59] that five years in I finally have an easier time getting [41:03] through all the budget stuff, but I felt like in addition [41:06] to being very diligent in, in what they were going [41:08] to spend on, I really appreciate all of the department heads [41:12] and, and Mr. Fowler putting together, when you come in [41:15] with the presentations, it also makes it easier that I have, [41:18] I've, I have a list of questions when I walk in the door [41:20] and almost all of them get answered. [41:22] So I really appreciate that thought that's put into [41:26] what you bring to us so that we don't again, have [41:28] to be asking a lot of questions in the moment [41:31] and having those discussions. [41:32] 'cause you've already had them and you've already [41:33] explained the rationale for them. [41:35] So great job. Thank you. [41:37] Okay, so now what will happen next is on the agenda [41:40] for the five five meeting, you have those resolutions [41:45] and you can go right to the vote pursuant [41:48] to your agenda that you have. [41:50] But there are any questions [41:51] that pop up either from the public [41:53] or through your constituents. [41:55] Please get those to me. [41:56] I'm happy to answer any of those [41:58] as I do 365 days a year if there's [42:00] any questions about our services. [42:02] Excellent, thank you. Okay, Thank you. [42:05] Alright, that is all we have for this evening, [42:07] so there's no vote tonight. [42:08] We will be voting on the budget [42:10] and our meeting on our regular council meeting on May 5th. [42:13] Madam Chair? Yes. [42:15] Seeing no further questions [42:16] or business, I move to adjourn. Second. [42:19] Alright, all those in favor? Aye. Aye. Thank you. [42:22] Have a good night everybody.