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Welcome to the Town of Dairy Planning Board meeting

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for May 6th, 2026.

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We start our meetings with a pledge of allegiance.

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If you would rise and join me, please.

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I pledge allegiance to

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the United, United States of America.

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America Republic One Nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice.

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Alright, we'll, we'll do some administrative first.

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We don't have a, an audience, and I assume all the members

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and staff here know how to get outta the building

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if the alarm rings.

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So the planning board voluntarily continues

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to offer remote participation.

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If any member of the planning board participates remotely,

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vote shall be by roll call.

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To attend this meeting remotely using a computer

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or smartphone, visit www dot zoom us.

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Enter meeting ID 7 5 4 6 6 3 9 1 2.

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You may also come in by phone for audio only.

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Phone number area code (646) 558-8656.

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Same meeting id 7 5 4 6 6 3 9 1 2.

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If you have any technical difficulties,

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call area code

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(603) 845-5585.

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If you're on the phone and you wanna be recognized, please

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hit star nine to raise your hand to

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and then once recognized, hit star six to unmute yourself.

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I will introduce the members

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and staff who are present this evening.

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In the audience is, is our economic

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development Director, Ms. Donovan.

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Our alternates. Mr. Ey and Mr.

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Appleton, planning Director Ms. Rubido.

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Good evening planning clerk.

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Ms. Wilson Town Council Liaison. Mr. Chase.

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Good evening, member Mr. Wood. Good evening, member. Mr.

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Menini. Good evening, vice chair. Mr. O'Connor.

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Good evening. On the far side is Mr.

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Preventer, who is the coordinator for, for Dairy Cam,

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who makes all the video magic work for us?

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Good evening. Mr. Church is

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apparently absent and Mr.

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Fishman is absent. So I would like to ask Mr.

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Ey to sit for Mr. Fishman.

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We have member Mr. Pier. Good evening Secretary. Mr.

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Alibi. Hello. And I'm Dave Nelson. I'm the chair.

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So under administrative business we have three

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matters of escrow.

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Item number 26 dash 13, Kenneth

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and Tunde. I ring.

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Okay, so the developers would be the IR family.

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This is a cash escrow parcel id.

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Location is map 32, lot 33 for Lennox Road.

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The request is to establish escrow in the amount

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of $12,161 25 cents for the above noted project,

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this escrow will be non-interest bearing.

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Mr. Chair also move. Second,

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Moved by O'Connor, second by Mamy to accept as presented.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.

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Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Ey? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.

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Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.

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Next item is 26 dash 14 G and P holdings.

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LLC.

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Okay. And this is

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for the loading dock edition at Fortum Avenue.

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This is a cash escrow parcel ID.

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Location 3 5 0 15 dash three.

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The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount

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of $8,697 45 cents for the above noted project.

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This escrow will also be non-interest bearing.

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Mr. Chair also move also. Second

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Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Maby

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to accept as presented.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Nini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?

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Yes. Mr. Mamey? Yes. Mr. Here? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes.

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The chair votes? Yes. And the last

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escrow item is 26 dash 15 for 33 East Area Road.

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Okay, for this one, the developer is Crystal, DOT Realty.

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It is cash, escrow, parcel id,

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location map 38 lot 2 33 East Derry Road.

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This is for a minor subdivision.

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The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount

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of $59,259 50 cents for the above noted project.

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This escrow will be non-interest bearing.

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Mr. Chair, there's no concerns on that.

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I'll also move this also.

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Second. Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Melanie

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to accept it presented.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.

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Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Mozzie? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.

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Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.

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We will now go on to approval of minutes.

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We have the minutes of April 15th, 2026

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as everyone had a chance to re review, review them.

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Is, are everything fine or are there errors or omissions? Do

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I have to repeat that?

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You can just move to Mr. Chair.

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There is no corrections to this yet.

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Then I'll move to accept as written. Second. Alright.

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Move to by O'Connor.

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A second by Maldi to accept the minutes

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of April 15th as written.

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Mr. Chase, I'll abstain. I was absent that night. Okay.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

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Mr. Ey? Yes. Mr. Pier. I'll abstain.

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I was not in attendance. Mr. Maldy? Yes.

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And the chair votes Yes.

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Correspondence.

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Mr. Chair, we have two pieces of correspondence today.

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Both are informational only.

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The first is an email from the NHMA New Hampshire

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Municipal Association.

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Just letting us know that the new

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and latest issue of New Hampshire Town

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and City Magazine is now available.

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And the other is an email that was received

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by our planning director from Michael McCormick,

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who's representing SI 61 Crystal Ave.

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Here in Derry. Again, this is just

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for the board's information only.

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No actions required at this point.

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That's gonna go to zoning. But there, there are photos

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of the property that would represent the roof

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and wall colors together at this building at 61 Crystal.

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Okay. Thank you very much.

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We now have other business.

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We have promo promo proposed amendments to the policies

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and procedures.

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So that is on in your packet, both physical and electronic.

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Has everyone had a chance to review those since the last set

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of changes at the

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last, last reading?

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Are there any, we'll give you a moment

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or two to look at 'em.

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Any any questions or comments?

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not, what is the board's pleasure?

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We need two clean reads.

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So we would have a second clean read

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and then a vote at the next meeting.

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Yeah. So if there are no changes,

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Both would be to move it on to the fifth

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or sixth reading, whatever it was.

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Yeah. Well this is the first time you had actual changes

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to look at, so, okay.

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Yeah. So we would, we would do a second clean read

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and then a vote on the 20th if the board is okay

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with the draft as written.

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Okay. I'm,

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I have no problems with it Also.

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So I guess we don't, we don't,

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if there's no objections, we don't need a, a motion.

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We will. That's right. Move it to the next reading. Okay.

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We have an architectural design review

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for sign in the West Running Brook.

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District Parcel ID 0 5 0 3 9 1 Scottish Way,

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unit one for State Farm Insurance.

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Okay. So very similar to any application in the, the TBOD.

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The West Running Brook district requires

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that the planning board review the proposed signage

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before signed permit is issued.

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So State Farm Insurance is moving from 10 Manchester Road

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to the new commercial building located at one Scottish Way.

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And then the proposed signage for

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that unit is attached to your memo.

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And the recommendation would be to approve it as presented.

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Any comments or questions on the proposed signage?

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If not, what is the board's pleasure

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Mr.

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Chair? I move pursuant to the town

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of dairy zoning ordinance, article 12

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signs section 1 65 dash 1 0 1 12

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signs and the WRB to approve the sign designed, presented

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for State Farm Insurance.

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Possible 0 5 0 3 9 1 Scottish Way,

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unit one as presented.

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The board finds a sign as compatible

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with the surrounding buildings,

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meets the regulations contained in the ordinance

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and compliments the surrounding architect.

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I so move. Second.

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Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Maby to accept

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the sign as presented.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.

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Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Mozzie? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby?

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Yes. Chair votes? Yes. Great, thank you.

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Next is planning director

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and chairman updates.

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Okay. So we have not any, any had any TRC recently,

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so I have nothing to update you with regard to that.

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However, our next meeting on the 20th,

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we'll have five applications.

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So, because that'll be a little bit more

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intense meeting than we've had.

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If you are not going to be present, please let me know

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as soon as possible because we really need

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to make sure we have a quorum that night.

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And I also just wanted to remind everyone

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that there is a planning

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and zoning conference this Saturday.

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You can attend virtually

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and if you want to sign up for that, please let myself

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or Caroline know and we can take care of that for you.

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It's really good training put on by the State

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Office of Planning and Development.

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So you're interested in that?

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Yeah. So I'm attending, they have three tracks.

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You have to sign up for one of them,

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but they don't stop you from skipping from track to track.

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New members might want to just absorb all the basics,

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but if you've, you know, been to them before

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and you want to go look at some special topics, you

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on a time slot basis,

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you can switch from from track to track.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And the only thing I have is, Mr.

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Applicant, how you doing on your recruiting?

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I'm away outta East. No pressure. Okay.

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Oh, but we're the fun board. Come on. Fun. Fun.

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Yeah. We we're the board of, yes.

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So we're, it's the fun board. I'm, I'm

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Working on it, but I can't make any

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Okay. So that's all I have. Oh,

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I have one more item if I could.

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Oh. So we were informed this week

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that Sylvia von ACH will be retiring

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at the end of this month.

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She's the executive director

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for Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission.

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She has been my entire career a mentor to me

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and a, she has a, she has a very, she has a way

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of making planning fun.

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And she has taught me along the way, you know,

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you take the job seriously, don't take yourself seriously.

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And she's just been a guiding light

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and she's gonna be truly missed.

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Nate Miller will be stepping into her position and,

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and then I think the deputy executive director will be

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Suzanne Neighbor, whom you're all familiar with

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because she's helped us out on a lot of

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our outreach here in town.

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They will be having a going away party for Sylvia.

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If you're interested in attending that.

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It will be during the day, let me know.

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But she is,

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the commission's gonna be in great hands with Nate,

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but Sylvia will definitely be missed.

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Okay, great. Well thank you for that update.

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So now we have workshop number five

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to discuss proposed changes for

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Article six District provisions section 1 65 dash 33

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Central Business District.

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We've seen this several times before.

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There are a number of maps that are in your package

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and while it might be tempting the fates, I have

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the GS system on a laptop here and,

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and I'm gonna try to join the meeting and,

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and be able to share that screen so

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that we can drive it live and look at things in real time.

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So I don't know how well that is gonna work.

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Every time I try something new with av,

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there's always a bug.

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So am I allowed to

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Yes, Mr.

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Chair, you should have received a notification to join the

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as a panelist, which will allow you

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to share your screen. I'll try that one more

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Time.

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Oh, there it is. There you go. Okay.

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Rejoining a little spinny. All right.

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So share and Owen, we trust share this application window.

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Okay. Want sound?

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Alright, so let's kind of

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recap where we were

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and what we thought we needed to work on.

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Right? Most of the items

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I think were, were pretty set on,

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but we did want to continue to figure out

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what we're gonna do with a couple of items.

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And in specific the

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preservation of streetscape.

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The way that reads now,

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let's see if I can find that.

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I'll read that for you.

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So we have a, a maximum front yard depth similar to

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what we have in the TBOD.

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And item A says,

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when the lot width at the front lot line is 75 feet

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or less, the maximum yard depth shall be eight feet

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or the average of the existing yard depths,

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four 100 feet in every direction

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along the street, whichever is greater.

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And b, when the lot width at the front lot line is greater

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than 75 feet, the maximum yard depth shall be 25 feet.

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So we've got two, two sets of, of,

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of dimensions depending on the width of the lot.

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And it really has to do with aspect ratios.

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If you've got a really narrow lot,

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you don't want things set back too far.

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And what works with that is I parking

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restriction,

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which, where, where is that?

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Okay, the parking is that one

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all off street parking areas shall be

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provided in such a way that no vehicle will be required

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or will be likely to back into the street or access drive.

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We talked about that during our district walk about the

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dangers of, of vehicles backing right out into the street.

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Number two, no parking, storage

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or display of vehicles shall be allowed

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between the front lot line in line parallel with the front

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of the structure closest to the front lot line,

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which basically means you can't

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park cars in front of the building.

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Although in looking at the GIS one of the things

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that we don't really

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necessarily notice when we're doing a site walk is that

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the lot lines are often not where you would think they are.

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The paved street is not often in the center

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of the public right of way.

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And so where those paved sections are a, a bit offset,

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we can't really, the the,

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the planning board can't prevent folks from parking

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in the public right of way off the pavement.

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That would be a town council kind of regulation.

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But we, we, we just prevent them from parking

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heading in, in front of the building.

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And then otherwise, as

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provided in the land development control regulations,

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the idea was to provide some more flexibility

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for landscape and layout.

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No one suggested that they wanted to see, you know,

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parking lots in, in front of a building, like a,

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a strip mall style.

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So this is where we are at.

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Is everyone happy with that

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or do we wanna consider some other options?

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I would say we'd continue on

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with this one here, what you did.

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'cause a lot of it came out when we did the sidewalk walk

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and we actually saw a lot of the visual there

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and it made more sense. So I would

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Concur.

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So I'm gonna try to drive the mouse

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and talk into the mic at the same time.

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We'll see how that works. So on the screen

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in front of you, the brown, the tan

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where, where you see the, the mouse currently that is the,

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the, the CBD and it kind of wraps around

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the, there's some residential district here, right there.

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And then north of it, the TBOD actually extends

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down into the core of the CBD.

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The CBD goes all the way back to Rollin Street wraps

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around down Birch Street, goes all the way down to,

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you know, the South Ave and beyond.

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And then it comes around the other side down Maple Street

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and down Central Street.

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So it's kind of a horseshoe shaped.

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And I'll notice that the lots that we primarily looked at

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were those along here along Birch Street

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and along South Ave, which are, are the smaller, you know,

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residential conversion.

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Lots. I'll, I'll observe that in other parts of

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that district there are some much more sizable parcels.

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I don't know how many of them are likely

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to be redeveloped in any short timeframe,

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but if we would like to, you know, consider special

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provisions for those, we can maybe try to identify them and

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and, and take a look at them on on the map.

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Does anyone have any, any thoughts on that?

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I'm, I'm happy to go either way, honestly.

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I mean I, I think given the redevelopment in Abbott court,

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that little triangle of central court, central Street

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where 1, 2, 3, 4 or five, six lot like

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So in right in Here.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think that there's some

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existing multifamily there

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and some single family 23 central is going

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before the zoning board tomorrow night for variance so

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that they can redevelop that lot.

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That is an area that might have,

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we might see redevelopment

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or reuse of those lots sooner than we would say

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anything further down Birch Street

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over near the gas station.

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So I could try to zoom in.

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This thing's awfully sensitive and I may just

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Completely lose It.

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Bear with me here. So one

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of the things I can do if I'm smart is I can use the

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measurement tool that's not the measurement

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Tool. Boy

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This mouse is kind of sketchy. Alright, let's

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Go over the laptop.

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So for example, this

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lot here,

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that's 79 or 81 feet depending on you look at, so most

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of the lots over there are gonna be above the 75 foot and

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therefore have the, the the 25 foot yes.

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Setback. And so I guess the question is in that area, is

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that sufficient flexibility for development of those lots,

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Mr.

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Chair? I would say isn't there that one of the lots,

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isn't there a, a site plan coming in front of us pretty soon

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regarding the five condos

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that they're proposing? Or is that going

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That'll, that'll be at ZBA tomorrow night.

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That's tomorrow night with them.

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Yeah. But

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Yeah, so a big chunk of that's gonna have five condos.

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Yeah. Right.

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And of course that's probably got interior,

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interior access drives and, and all that kind of stuff.

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Yeah. And I think in that area

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the 25 foot setback is more appropriate than the eight,

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given the characteristics of that

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Part.

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Okay. Are there any other parcels

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that people are specifically interested

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and would like to drive to and,

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and take a look at on, on the map

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before we kind of try to wrap up on this if we're,

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if if we have consensus?

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Well, No,

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If you really look at that section down through there,

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there's only two properties that really have

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any kind of a setback to 'em.

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All the rest of them are right on the street. So,

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Well, I guess the question is when there's redevelopment,

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is it reuse, adaptive reuse

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or is it a tear down?

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Rebuild

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23 I believe is gonna be a tear down. That's the, that

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Was where the fire Was.

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That was where the fire was.

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That one's gonna be a tear down.

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Yeah, I know it has changed

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because the, the variance is gonna be

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to eliminate the commercial portion of it, which

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goes against what we're trying to do here.

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It is. So,

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and yes, there are some, some, there's a couple

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of larger parcels there,

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but if you look at one, that would be

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a, if, if the time ever came, if you just to the left

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of your arrow, Mr. Chair

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Over here, Right there,

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that's a sizeable parcel. Alright. So that's,

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There's Quite a few buildings on it

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and it actually doesn't have any

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street frontage to speak of.

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It's Not given, they call it, they call it store

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of court, but it's really not a street,

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it's more of a driveway.

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So if they go to redevelop that, I mean that could be a a,

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a really nice project in there,

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but they really don't have any streets scape for that one.

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So that one didn't matter. Oh, you're forbidden

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Row.

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Okay. We, we'll try, I'm not trying that again.

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You could click on the vision link,

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it might give you what you need.

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So I'm not, I I

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I can't say that I'm opposed to the 25 foot setback.

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I, I can't get the little,

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It just seems to me that we're kind

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of piecemealing it from like Burt Street

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where we want eight feet to Central Ave.

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Which most of the houses

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or most of the structures are on the

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street except for a couple.

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And now you're saying, well it's okay for 25 foot there,

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it seems we're working against ourselves.

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I can't get to the 0.00 I had it for a second

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where I can hit the X to dismiss it anyway, it's gone.

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Okay.

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That's the only point that I wanted to make there. Oh,

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There it is.

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Okay. Yeah. So the screen sharing stopped.

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So I thought

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that if I clicked on the parcel identifier it would give you

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the, the acreage, but I guess

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It doesn't Oh, under, you'd have to under vision it would

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you have to click on vision, go into it

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Before you're right. It

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Used to be right there.

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So I I I guess the, the question is

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yes, we could have some that are tear downs

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and is is a, is a 25 foot maximum setback Okay.

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For, for those people. 'cause I,

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I think we still don't necessarily wanna a strip mall kind

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of development in this downtown area.

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Right? Anyone

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Disagree?

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No. Correct. Correct.

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Okay. Mr. Chair. Yeah.

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What about adding to par to

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line B or the average

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depth of the yard for 100 feet in every direction?

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Whichever is less.

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So it could be a maximum of a maximum of 25 feet

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or whatever the average is.

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So we don't have a, someone tearing down Well,

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So that, that's for the, the the 70 less than 75,

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which is a maximum of eight.

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Right? I'm saying for the ones greater than 75, 25 feet

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or the average of the average depth

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for a hundred feet in either direction,

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whichever those is, is less.

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So it would be a maximum of 25 feet. We,

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We, we could, I think in, in the areas

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that we were looking at, I could probably bring this up

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again if, if you wanna look at it again

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that the parcels are, are regular m

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and measuring along the street might be trickier than it is

518
00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:30,085
in the rows and rows of, of sort of uniform lots.

519
00:27:30,445 --> 00:27:32,525
I don't wanna create a a reg that's,

520
00:27:32,525 --> 00:27:33,925
that's difficult to interpret.

521
00:27:34,105 --> 00:27:36,405
But that's a, that's a, that's a good point,

522
00:27:36,815 --> 00:27:37,815
Right?

523
00:27:37,815 --> 00:27:40,045
I just wouldn't want someone to tear down, build something

524
00:27:40,045 --> 00:27:43,445
with a larger setback than the, the items around just

525
00:27:43,445 --> 00:27:44,885
because they're lots a little larger.

526
00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:48,165
And, and I guess that's gonna depend upon

527
00:27:48,165 --> 00:27:49,325
the, the vision of the developer.

528
00:27:49,325 --> 00:27:51,605
If they wanna have that downtown vibe, they'll,

529
00:27:51,715 --> 00:27:53,045
they'll sort of mimic what's around them.

530
00:27:53,065 --> 00:27:56,605
If, if they, if they really wanna be in general commercial

531
00:27:56,665 --> 00:27:58,725
and there's no land there and they're going here

532
00:27:58,725 --> 00:28:00,725
because that's all they got, then that's a different story.

533
00:28:06,065 --> 00:28:10,525
Anyone else think that we ought to make the 25

534
00:28:11,795 --> 00:28:14,245
also dependent upon neighbors?

535
00:28:15,225 --> 00:28:16,285
What's the thoughts on that?

536
00:28:18,925 --> 00:28:22,845
I, I don't think it's such a bad idea.

537
00:28:22,945 --> 00:28:25,565
If you, if you, I mean staying on Central Street,

538
00:28:25,565 --> 00:28:26,685
if you go down Central Street

539
00:28:27,665 --> 00:28:30,805
and once you go past central court on the even side

540
00:28:30,805 --> 00:28:33,205
of the street, all the houses are fairly

541
00:28:33,235 --> 00:28:35,245
even close to the road.

542
00:28:35,905 --> 00:28:38,925
If you look at the odd side of the street, you've got

543
00:28:39,545 --> 00:28:43,125
the garage that's right on the street, then the building

544
00:28:43,265 --> 00:28:44,845
behind it is set way back.

545
00:28:45,195 --> 00:28:48,365
Then the next building is on the street and the one

546
00:28:48,365 --> 00:28:49,405
after that is on the street

547
00:28:49,425 --> 00:28:50,845
and then the one that's gonna be

548
00:28:51,085 --> 00:28:52,245
redeveloped is sitting way back.

549
00:28:52,825 --> 00:28:54,565
And then the next two are right on the street

550
00:28:55,585 --> 00:28:57,565
and it's if you drive down

551
00:28:57,565 --> 00:29:01,085
and it's not the vision that we're trying to have here.

552
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:06,335
So anything that would get that to what we are looking for,

553
00:29:07,625 --> 00:29:12,565
I'm in favor of if you only go a hundred feet

554
00:29:13,705 --> 00:29:16,725
and the average width of the lot is 80 feet,

555
00:29:16,835 --> 00:29:19,485
that means it's only gonna be the building on each side.

556
00:29:19,545 --> 00:29:21,445
You might wanna consider moving

557
00:29:21,445 --> 00:29:23,645
that up 200 feet on each side.

558
00:29:26,215 --> 00:29:29,775
Okay. Do you have some

559
00:29:30,855 --> 00:29:35,455
specific texts that you kinda think would effectuate that?

560
00:29:36,195 --> 00:29:38,295
I'm sorry, I'm not really paying full attention.

561
00:29:38,355 --> 00:29:40,135
I'm trying to get the GIS working again.

562
00:29:42,725 --> 00:29:45,025
So you wanna say for the, for the wider ones,

563
00:29:45,025 --> 00:29:46,105
go out 200 feet

564
00:29:46,525 --> 00:29:47,525
On each side?

565
00:29:47,525 --> 00:29:48,305
Yes. The average of

566
00:29:48,535 --> 00:29:49,535
Okay.

567
00:29:49,535 --> 00:29:49,985
200 feet on each side.

568
00:29:49,985 --> 00:29:52,025
So when, so when the lot width at the front lot line is

569
00:29:52,025 --> 00:29:53,545
greater than 75 feet,

570
00:29:53,725 --> 00:29:56,145
the maximum yard depth shall be 25 feet

571
00:29:56,445 --> 00:30:00,225
or the average of the existing yard depths

572
00:30:00,285 --> 00:30:03,345
for 200 feet in every direction along the street,

573
00:30:03,345 --> 00:30:04,465
whichever is less.

574
00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:05,465
Yes.

575
00:30:12,835 --> 00:30:13,945
Let's see. And Mr.

576
00:30:13,945 --> 00:30:16,225
Chair, I usually find a baseball bat cures my

577
00:30:16,385 --> 00:30:17,425
computer problems very well.

578
00:30:18,335 --> 00:30:20,225
Well apparently I, I did something that I didn't like

579
00:30:20,225 --> 00:30:21,265
and it and it crashed though.

580
00:30:21,495 --> 00:30:22,495
Okay.

581
00:30:23,325 --> 00:30:24,385
That's unfortunate.

582
00:30:24,845 --> 00:30:27,225
So trying to get back to where we're supposed to be.

583
00:30:36,555 --> 00:30:36,775
No.

584
00:30:59,155 --> 00:31:02,095
So is does everyone like that amendment?

585
00:31:05,355 --> 00:31:06,455
I'm fine with it. Okay.

586
00:31:06,455 --> 00:31:11,015
Okay. So then we can go ahead and and do that.

587
00:31:11,205 --> 00:31:14,015
Yeah, they're composing a motion down there.

588
00:31:14,725 --> 00:31:18,055
Okay. I do have a question regarding the

589
00:31:20,415 --> 00:31:21,405
front lot line

590
00:31:25,595 --> 00:31:29,445
that is always, I know that it says it's the lot line

591
00:31:29,695 --> 00:31:33,325
where your front entrance faces,

592
00:31:34,515 --> 00:31:38,485
sometimes your front entrance

593
00:31:39,105 --> 00:31:41,645
is on a different street than your driveway

594
00:31:43,105 --> 00:31:46,965
and the fire department assigns addresses based on like,

595
00:31:47,765 --> 00:31:50,645
I just wanna make sure that we're clear when we're talking

596
00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:53,685
about what is the front when we've got multiple,

597
00:31:54,675 --> 00:31:55,925
like you might have a lot

598
00:31:55,925 --> 00:31:57,965
that has two streets or even three streets,

599
00:31:58,585 --> 00:31:59,125
Mr. Chair.

600
00:32:00,065 --> 00:32:02,525
Yep. Can I respond to that? Sure.

601
00:32:06,205 --> 00:32:07,485
A few years ago I was in charge

602
00:32:07,545 --> 00:32:10,325
of the whole southern district by doing the census

603
00:32:11,185 --> 00:32:14,045
and we all had it used to be done by paper.

604
00:32:14,385 --> 00:32:17,445
Yep. Similar to looking at some of our paper

605
00:32:18,545 --> 00:32:22,925
and what the census was trying to do was

606
00:32:23,605 --> 00:32:27,765
reposition what was going to be the address

607
00:32:29,305 --> 00:32:31,245
and I'm gonna lean more towards

608
00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:35,005
what the fire department's doing versus the driveway.

609
00:32:35,205 --> 00:32:36,605
'cause the driveway wasn't part of it.

610
00:32:37,145 --> 00:32:39,965
We had to go up to every single front door

611
00:32:40,785 --> 00:32:43,725
and the front door was the main

612
00:32:44,085 --> 00:32:45,925
entrance for the whole thing.

613
00:32:46,185 --> 00:32:50,445
And that was changed in 2010 during that census thing.

614
00:32:51,105 --> 00:32:53,285
So I would go with the fire department

615
00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:57,885
'cause typically I think they addressed the front door issue

616
00:32:58,145 --> 00:32:59,685
to do show some of that.

617
00:32:59,815 --> 00:33:00,815
Randy.

618
00:33:01,275 --> 00:33:05,885
Yeah, I agree with John that to try to keep

619
00:33:06,495 --> 00:33:10,205
everything uniform, that we ought to stick

620
00:33:10,205 --> 00:33:11,925
with another town department if that's

621
00:33:12,435 --> 00:33:15,125
fire department sets the addresses throughout the town

622
00:33:16,185 --> 00:33:17,925
and to stay uniform with that.

623
00:33:18,325 --> 00:33:21,365
I think we ought to say the front is what they give

624
00:33:21,425 --> 00:33:23,045
for the address rather than,

625
00:33:23,195 --> 00:33:24,885
well the fire department says this part

626
00:33:24,885 --> 00:33:26,325
of the house is the front,

627
00:33:26,465 --> 00:33:29,605
but code enforcement says the other side is the front.

628
00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:30,925
It's, it's just too confusing.

629
00:33:31,445 --> 00:33:35,565
I think we need one uniform designation

630
00:33:35,905 --> 00:33:39,525
and the easiest way is, is go with the master authority

631
00:33:39,555 --> 00:33:41,805
that at dish out the addresses.

632
00:33:42,155 --> 00:33:43,485
Yeah. Both the census

633
00:33:43,625 --> 00:33:45,645
and the American census still

634
00:33:45,795 --> 00:33:47,205
follows of the federal government.

635
00:33:47,635 --> 00:33:52,525
Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's polite to look at Mr. Chase.

636
00:33:52,525 --> 00:33:53,805
But you gotta like speak into

637
00:33:53,805 --> 00:33:54,805
The mic.

638
00:33:54,805 --> 00:33:56,405
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought, I thought it was close enough.

639
00:33:58,185 --> 00:34:00,125
So the, the only thing I'll observe is

640
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,445
that on corner lots,

641
00:34:02,755 --> 00:34:06,725
because wherever the frontage is,

642
00:34:07,085 --> 00:34:10,085
whatever the address is that will have a

643
00:34:11,995 --> 00:34:15,205
control on the, on the, the setback in order

644
00:34:15,345 --> 00:34:17,765
to preserve the street scape on, on that street.

645
00:34:18,145 --> 00:34:19,165
But as soon as you go

646
00:34:19,405 --> 00:34:22,485
around the corner onto the adjacent street,

647
00:34:22,485 --> 00:34:26,925
that is now the side setback, which only has a minimum

648
00:34:26,945 --> 00:34:28,045
and could be whatever you want.

649
00:34:28,985 --> 00:34:32,765
So on corner lots, if, if we try

650
00:34:32,765 --> 00:34:36,485
to prevent folks from parking cars in front of the building

651
00:34:37,095 --> 00:34:39,605
where their address is, there's nothing

652
00:34:39,605 --> 00:34:43,645
that stops them from going around the corner on the, on the,

653
00:34:43,645 --> 00:34:48,285
the side street, which is also a frontage setting that back

654
00:34:48,285 --> 00:34:50,645
however much they want and putting cars there

655
00:34:50,645 --> 00:34:53,525
because we talk about the frontage

656
00:34:53,525 --> 00:34:54,925
and so that, that's a loophole.

657
00:34:55,505 --> 00:34:57,405
Yep. I don't know if we have

658
00:34:57,405 --> 00:34:59,205
to obsess about it, but it is a loophole.

659
00:35:01,275 --> 00:35:03,165
There's gotta be compromises and give and takes.

660
00:35:03,745 --> 00:35:06,165
And I think for the main street scape, what we're looking

661
00:35:06,185 --> 00:35:09,925
for is, is we had this with the coffee shop Yeah.

662
00:35:10,545 --> 00:35:14,325
On North app. Yep. That's a perfect example of it.

663
00:35:14,745 --> 00:35:16,565
You maintain the street scape on the front.

664
00:35:17,065 --> 00:35:19,615
You can't not,

665
00:35:19,715 --> 00:35:22,335
you can't necessarily maintain it all the way around.

666
00:35:22,335 --> 00:35:23,815
Right. If you maintained it all the way around,

667
00:35:23,815 --> 00:35:26,855
they'd have nothing for parking, not even on street parking.

668
00:35:27,875 --> 00:35:29,735
So to me

669
00:35:31,035 --> 00:35:35,295
it would be a good compromise and be more building

670
00:35:35,475 --> 00:35:40,325
or friendly, you know, retail friendly to

671
00:35:41,105 --> 00:35:44,485
say the frontage is the address designated

672
00:35:44,505 --> 00:35:47,885
by the fire department and if they do happen

673
00:35:47,885 --> 00:35:48,925
to be on a corner lot

674
00:35:49,305 --> 00:35:51,805
and they get their curb cuts through code enforcement

675
00:35:52,945 --> 00:35:57,365
to have a driveway on that side. Okay. They have it.

676
00:35:57,805 --> 00:35:59,685
I mean I'm not opposed to that.

677
00:35:59,685 --> 00:36:01,845
I just wanted to point out Yeah that is a,

678
00:36:02,965 --> 00:36:04,685
a potentially unintended con consequence.

679
00:36:04,685 --> 00:36:06,885
Right. So

680
00:36:08,115 --> 00:36:10,925
what I hear other than adding the, the toner feet

681
00:36:11,905 --> 00:36:14,565
in either direction along the roadway for the,

682
00:36:14,825 --> 00:36:18,975
the wider lots, we haven't made any other changes so far.

683
00:36:19,355 --> 00:36:21,695
No, the only other change would be to that definition

684
00:36:21,695 --> 00:36:24,335
of front lot line based on this conversation.

685
00:36:24,405 --> 00:36:26,495
What I took away was that

686
00:36:27,365 --> 00:36:29,775
that lot line which directly abuts the street side a lot

687
00:36:29,835 --> 00:36:32,815
except for lots which have multiple lot lines which abut

688
00:36:32,815 --> 00:36:36,335
streets, in which case the front lot line shall be deemed

689
00:36:36,715 --> 00:36:41,255
to be that lot line abutting a street from which the address

690
00:36:41,635 --> 00:36:45,255
as designated by the fire department is located. Okay.

691
00:36:45,685 --> 00:36:49,255
Yeah. Now there is one other thing that I,

692
00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:50,455
I brought up with Ms.

693
00:36:50,455 --> 00:36:51,735
Roberto before the, the meeting.

694
00:36:53,335 --> 00:36:56,175
I do like the idea of taking Mr.

695
00:36:56,555 --> 00:37:00,975
Pier's architectural exceptions

696
00:37:01,395 --> 00:37:04,255
in the district and putting it in the architectural design

697
00:37:04,255 --> 00:37:05,815
guidelines section of the LDCR.

698
00:37:06,405 --> 00:37:10,375
However, he's allowing coupa's

699
00:37:10,375 --> 00:37:11,535
and other structures to be a

700
00:37:11,545 --> 00:37:15,495
above the maximum height specified in the zoning ordinance

701
00:37:16,395 --> 00:37:18,335
for those particular architectural elements.

702
00:37:18,395 --> 00:37:22,455
We can't have the LDCR override the zoning ordinance

703
00:37:22,475 --> 00:37:27,255
unless in the zoning ordinance we say maximum height of

704
00:37:27,255 --> 00:37:30,575
above C level of X except

705
00:37:30,865 --> 00:37:33,375
where a conditional use permit is granted subject

706
00:37:33,395 --> 00:37:36,695
to the architectural design regulations section YYY.

707
00:37:37,435 --> 00:37:39,415
And that will give us the ability to say, okay,

708
00:37:39,415 --> 00:37:42,175
you got a cupula that can go above the maximum height

709
00:37:42,395 --> 00:37:45,095
and we'll grant you a conditional use permit so

710
00:37:45,095 --> 00:37:47,575
that we won't be a follow of the zoning ordinance.

711
00:37:47,725 --> 00:37:49,295
Yeah. Okay.

712
00:37:49,995 --> 00:37:52,975
So that would would be my suggestion to fix that.

713
00:37:52,975 --> 00:37:57,215
That's, yeah. Anyone have any different thoughts?

714
00:37:57,755 --> 00:38:01,495
No. Can you just say that again except

715
00:38:01,495 --> 00:38:03,455
where a conditional use permit been except

716
00:38:03,505 --> 00:38:06,535
Where a conditional use permit is granted pursuant

717
00:38:07,195 --> 00:38:10,175
to section and quote the section

718
00:38:10,715 --> 00:38:14,375
of the LDCR that we're adding that talks about

719
00:38:16,895 --> 00:38:18,215
structures in the, in the CBD

720
00:38:19,435 --> 00:38:21,215
1 70 86 3.

721
00:38:21,565 --> 00:38:22,565
Okay.

722
00:38:23,655 --> 00:38:25,375
I, I don't, I don't have the numbers in front of me so

723
00:38:25,735 --> 00:38:26,735
Yeah.

724
00:38:26,735 --> 00:38:28,655
Okay. So we would amend that item six

725
00:38:31,155 --> 00:38:32,335
and it would be no building

726
00:38:32,355 --> 00:38:36,050
or structure within this district shall be higher than 425

727
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:39,525
feet above sea level a SL as measured to the highest point

728
00:38:39,525 --> 00:38:40,885
of the roof except

729
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:43,925
where a conditional use permit, blah blah blah. Yeah. Okay.

730
00:38:44,265 --> 00:38:48,525
Mr. Wood, So the only thing I was wondering is going

731
00:38:48,525 --> 00:38:53,325
back to once again the eight foot 25 foot setback rather

732
00:38:53,325 --> 00:38:54,965
than using a hundred feet

733
00:38:54,965 --> 00:38:57,925
or 200 feet, would it make more sense to just use X number

734
00:38:57,925 --> 00:38:59,165
of lots in any other direction?

735
00:39:01,665 --> 00:39:04,125
If The concern is you might only get one or two lots

736
00:39:04,785 --> 00:39:06,205
and then it could be four.

737
00:39:07,565 --> 00:39:09,565
I mean, I, I guess a hundred feet is always a hundred feet

738
00:39:11,075 --> 00:39:13,085
lots can be, you know, merged.

739
00:39:14,145 --> 00:39:17,365
So the, the, the number of lots could change over time.

740
00:39:17,445 --> 00:39:19,285
I don't know if that is a problem.

741
00:39:20,475 --> 00:39:21,485
It's just something that could happen.

742
00:39:21,885 --> 00:39:24,165
I was just thinking for simplicity's sake rather than

743
00:39:27,065 --> 00:39:29,205
Anyone have feelings one way or the other

744
00:39:30,025 --> 00:39:32,285
and it's kind of 61 half a dozen the other. Yeah,

745
00:39:32,545 --> 00:39:36,885
It really Is. Yeah.

746
00:39:37,645 --> 00:39:40,005
I just wasn't sure because I know the concern was yeah,

747
00:39:40,005 --> 00:39:42,725
with a hundred feet you might only get one lot. True.

748
00:39:43,145 --> 00:39:45,805
So the other thing I'll say is we, we need

749
00:39:45,805 --> 00:39:47,485
to get this like 85% correct.

750
00:39:48,745 --> 00:39:51,965
We, you know, pre is the enemy of good enough so often

751
00:39:52,905 --> 00:39:56,125
and for that 15% that we can't foresee, that's

752
00:39:56,125 --> 00:39:57,405
what variances are for.

753
00:40:03,955 --> 00:40:05,645
Alright. Does anyone have any other

754
00:40:06,575 --> 00:40:09,245
items than the ones we've enumerated they would

755
00:40:09,245 --> 00:40:10,285
like to see in the next reading?

756
00:40:12,305 --> 00:40:13,365
Did we go over the

757
00:40:17,865 --> 00:40:18,865
Oh, the Parking lot?

758
00:40:18,865 --> 00:40:22,725
The parking level We the parking Oh parking lots

759
00:40:22,745 --> 00:40:24,845
and parking structures have now have separate

760
00:40:24,915 --> 00:40:26,045
definitions. Yeah we

761
00:40:26,045 --> 00:40:27,525
Prob we probably should talk about that.

762
00:40:29,015 --> 00:40:30,885
Where is that in the, what page is that

763
00:40:30,885 --> 00:40:31,885
On?

764
00:40:31,885 --> 00:40:32,005
What's your first page

765
00:40:32,615 --> 00:40:33,645
Right after the maps?

766
00:40:36,075 --> 00:40:37,645
Alright, so we have a definition,

767
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:39,445
multi-level parking facility,

768
00:40:39,525 --> 00:40:40,565
a specialized structure designed

769
00:40:40,565 --> 00:40:42,525
to house vehicles on multiple levels either

770
00:40:42,535 --> 00:40:43,565
above or below ground.

771
00:40:45,065 --> 00:40:48,085
And we changed a parking facility to a parking lot,

772
00:40:48,335 --> 00:40:50,245
which is a surface level parking.

773
00:40:52,505 --> 00:40:55,325
And where do we say you can have one and not the other?

774
00:40:58,105 --> 00:41:02,765
So in on page three you would have, instead of a parking

775
00:41:03,285 --> 00:41:06,245
facility, it would be multi-level parking facility.

776
00:41:06,675 --> 00:41:09,725
Alright, so we're not allowing surface parking lots only

777
00:41:09,725 --> 00:41:11,325
multi-level parking facilities.

778
00:41:11,385 --> 00:41:14,125
Yes. Yes. Okay. I think that's what we intended.

779
00:41:14,145 --> 00:41:15,405
That's what we intended. We,

780
00:41:15,465 --> 00:41:18,805
we didn't want somebody taking down any more buildings

781
00:41:19,305 --> 00:41:20,725
and putting in parking lot.

782
00:41:20,745 --> 00:41:22,805
We, this came up both on the sidewalk

783
00:41:23,105 --> 00:41:25,405
and during, I think it was workshop number three.

784
00:41:25,415 --> 00:41:27,165
Right. And we decided we don't want any more

785
00:41:27,165 --> 00:41:28,365
surface parking lots.

786
00:41:28,985 --> 00:41:30,365
But if somebody wants to

787
00:41:31,345 --> 00:41:34,325
put in a parking garage either ancillary

788
00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:35,405
to their building or if

789
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:36,965
The abot court garage was compliant.

790
00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:37,965
Correct.

791
00:41:38,785 --> 00:41:42,925
So what we're trying to do is it's, it's, it's retail.

792
00:41:43,005 --> 00:41:46,485
I mean they charge, so it's whether it's ancillary

793
00:41:46,505 --> 00:41:50,325
to their commercial business or whatever,

794
00:41:50,865 --> 00:41:52,885
or they just want a pay parking

795
00:41:52,905 --> 00:41:55,165
garage that would be allowed.

796
00:41:55,265 --> 00:41:57,925
But tearing down buildings to put just

797
00:41:58,525 --> 00:41:59,805
a paved parking lot, you know.

798
00:42:01,435 --> 00:42:04,005
Okay. We, we don't want any more paving of paradise.

799
00:42:04,825 --> 00:42:08,005
Mr. Bel here I fully support

800
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:09,885
and I like the splitting of the definition.

801
00:42:10,365 --> 00:42:13,445
I just wonder if we should include the last sentence from

802
00:42:13,445 --> 00:42:14,765
the definition of parking lot

803
00:42:15,105 --> 00:42:17,365
and also include that with the multi-level

804
00:42:17,365 --> 00:42:18,805
parking facility definition.

805
00:42:19,405 --> 00:42:22,005
It says such use shall be devoted to the parking

806
00:42:22,065 --> 00:42:24,165
of passenger cars and specifically

807
00:42:24,165 --> 00:42:25,485
exclude unregistered vehicles.

808
00:42:27,425 --> 00:42:29,005
Not sure it's necessarily intent,

809
00:42:29,065 --> 00:42:31,605
but just wanna make sure that someone's not gonna build a

810
00:42:32,115 --> 00:42:35,005
used car multi-level facility or something like that.

811
00:42:37,505 --> 00:42:39,245
I'm Okay with that. You mean like a carvana?

812
00:42:39,245 --> 00:42:41,645
Yeah, something like that. Would would,

813
00:42:41,645 --> 00:42:43,405
would we not want one of those in this area?

814
00:42:44,205 --> 00:42:45,845
I think we would call that retail.

815
00:42:46,155 --> 00:42:47,365
Yeah. Motor vehicle sales. I mean

816
00:42:47,365 --> 00:42:48,605
They're for sale, right? Yeah, yeah,

817
00:42:48,715 --> 00:42:49,715
Yeah.

818
00:42:49,715 --> 00:42:52,445
But I I see what you're, I see what you're saying.

819
00:42:52,465 --> 00:42:53,605
You don't want someone to,

820
00:42:54,985 --> 00:42:55,985
To Yeah.

821
00:42:56,305 --> 00:42:59,075
Yeah. I was, I was gonna say, so could

822
00:42:59,075 --> 00:43:01,755
Someone would maybe quickly pave

823
00:43:02,275 --> 00:43:04,595
a parking lot in order to put junk cars in it?

824
00:43:04,715 --> 00:43:06,035
'cause it's not a big investment.

825
00:43:06,315 --> 00:43:08,075
I can't imagine anyone would go to the expense

826
00:43:08,075 --> 00:43:10,955
of building a parking garage to put junk cars in. Well,

827
00:43:11,415 --> 00:43:14,275
No, and I think what what, where we may

828
00:43:16,495 --> 00:43:17,995
get ourselves into trouble there is,

829
00:43:18,015 --> 00:43:19,675
so let's use the ABBA court.

830
00:43:20,265 --> 00:43:23,915
Part of the spaces in there are designated

831
00:43:23,915 --> 00:43:24,915
to the apartment building.

832
00:43:25,815 --> 00:43:29,275
So somebody has a classic car, whatever

833
00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:33,135
and for, they don't run it for a couple of years,

834
00:43:33,405 --> 00:43:35,135
they're paying for the parking space

835
00:43:35,635 --> 00:43:37,135
but they don't register it for a couple of years,

836
00:43:38,235 --> 00:43:39,935
but they're paying for that parking space.

837
00:43:40,395 --> 00:43:42,575
Are we now telling them you can't do that as soon

838
00:43:42,895 --> 00:43:46,135
as you know, you're going away to Europe

839
00:43:46,195 --> 00:43:48,055
or whatever for a while, the registration runs

840
00:43:48,055 --> 00:43:49,095
out before you get back.

841
00:43:49,115 --> 00:43:50,255
You've gotta get it out of there.

842
00:43:51,355 --> 00:43:52,375
I'm, we Couldn't

843
00:43:52,375 --> 00:43:55,335
Really put, I think that the cost structure of that kind

844
00:43:55,335 --> 00:43:58,455
of environment would be self-regulating.

845
00:43:58,775 --> 00:44:02,215
I think so. And I think we would be intruding on

846
00:44:03,065 --> 00:44:04,495
their rights.

847
00:44:04,535 --> 00:44:05,775
I mean they're paying for that space.

848
00:44:08,615 --> 00:44:09,935
I doubt somebody's gonna go in there

849
00:44:10,195 --> 00:44:14,455
and pay for 50 spaces to put used cars in there.

850
00:44:15,195 --> 00:44:17,335
So to your point, I believe it would be self-regulating.

851
00:44:17,455 --> 00:44:20,535
I just don't wanna get ourselves in trouble with,

852
00:44:20,645 --> 00:44:22,655
with the general public on, on something.

853
00:44:22,715 --> 00:44:24,295
You know, as small as that.

854
00:44:25,235 --> 00:44:28,175
Adding it to that, I agree with it on the, the

855
00:44:28,885 --> 00:44:30,015
surface level parking,

856
00:44:30,795 --> 00:44:33,845
But I really, I would hesitate

857
00:44:33,845 --> 00:44:34,725
to put it on the multilevel

858
00:44:34,725 --> 00:44:36,085
parking facility for those reasons.

859
00:44:37,955 --> 00:44:42,005
Alright. Any other things we, we wanna review or revisit?

860
00:44:42,465 --> 00:44:45,525
The only thing I would just ask if the board could indulge

861
00:44:45,525 --> 00:44:48,685
me and just review the wording of the purpose statement

862
00:44:48,945 --> 00:44:50,725
and make sure that it meets the intent

863
00:44:50,725 --> 00:44:52,005
of why we're doing these changes.

864
00:44:52,635 --> 00:44:55,565
Alright, so Which is right at the top of page,

865
00:44:56,025 --> 00:44:57,725
the first page of the draft.

866
00:45:00,145 --> 00:45:03,685
So the bottom of page one or the top of page one, one

867
00:45:03,685 --> 00:45:04,685
Top of page one purpose.

868
00:45:06,315 --> 00:45:08,405
Alright. So is that part of the ordinance?

869
00:45:09,085 --> 00:45:12,045
Generally, anytime that we do the zoning changes,

870
00:45:12,305 --> 00:45:13,645
we always, it's this one,

871
00:45:13,735 --> 00:45:15,525
especially when it goes to town council.

872
00:45:15,625 --> 00:45:17,085
We always have a thing says the purpose

873
00:45:17,105 --> 00:45:18,565
of these changes is, so

874
00:45:18,835 --> 00:45:21,565
This, this is not normative part of the ordinance.

875
00:45:21,915 --> 00:45:23,685
It's not part of the, this will be, this is a separate

876
00:45:23,685 --> 00:45:26,045
thing that goes with the legal notice and all that.

877
00:45:26,265 --> 00:45:28,405
And it identifies why we're making the changes.

878
00:45:29,025 --> 00:45:32,485
So I just wanna make sure that everyone is in agreement with

879
00:45:32,485 --> 00:45:34,805
that and, and it meets the intent of why we're doing

880
00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:35,805
This.

881
00:45:35,805 --> 00:45:36,965
All right. So the proposed changes recognize the changing

882
00:45:37,035 --> 00:45:38,685
landscape of Southern Hampshire.

883
00:45:39,025 --> 00:45:41,885
We are increased housing density, height of buildings

884
00:45:41,905 --> 00:45:45,685
and commercial market trends require some form of adaptation

885
00:45:45,785 --> 00:45:48,245
to create opportunity for economic growth

886
00:45:48,585 --> 00:45:50,045
and development in the Cory area

887
00:45:50,465 --> 00:45:53,365
of the downtown while maintaining the historical character

888
00:45:53,665 --> 00:45:55,805
of the central business district that changes

889
00:45:56,325 --> 00:45:57,685
recognize the smaller lot sizes

890
00:45:57,945 --> 00:46:00,205
and land use patterns that have emerged in the district.

891
00:46:02,205 --> 00:46:05,045
A question four, does that tie in with our master plan?

892
00:46:05,785 --> 00:46:09,265
It does. Yeah. I think it sounds good.

893
00:46:10,735 --> 00:46:13,065
Okay. I see nodding heads. Okay.

894
00:46:13,065 --> 00:46:17,705
Thank you. Okay. All right.

895
00:46:17,705 --> 00:46:21,345
So we we happy on on the

896
00:46:22,065 --> 00:46:24,745
CBD changes for now until we get to public hearing.

897
00:46:26,205 --> 00:46:30,945
So we'll have a first, well we could do a first

898
00:46:30,975 --> 00:46:32,865
reading under other business

899
00:46:33,895 --> 00:46:36,025
next meeting if you would like.

900
00:46:36,025 --> 00:46:38,625
Okay. And then if everything is okay, we can

901
00:46:39,745 --> 00:46:40,825
schedule a public hearing.

902
00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:43,265
Okay. Excellent. Okay. Alright.

903
00:46:44,695 --> 00:46:46,745
Finding my agenda.

904
00:46:47,085 --> 00:46:50,945
The next item is workshop number one for changes

905
00:46:51,085 --> 00:46:53,505
to the architectural design regulations, which

906
00:46:54,175 --> 00:46:55,265
were proposed by Mr.

907
00:46:55,615 --> 00:46:57,705
Pier. So let's,

908
00:46:57,705 --> 00:46:59,625
that's a separate document, so let's look at that.

909
00:46:59,725 --> 00:47:00,385
Oh, there, it's,

910
00:47:04,725 --> 00:47:07,985
and what, what staff has done is they've, they followed the,

911
00:47:10,525 --> 00:47:13,985
the numbering precedent we have set for,

912
00:47:15,665 --> 00:47:20,145
I think that one is West running Brook.

913
00:47:20,385 --> 00:47:22,585
District two is neighborhood commercial district

914
00:47:22,585 --> 00:47:25,385
and three becomes central business district.

915
00:47:25,385 --> 00:47:27,785
Right. Okay.

916
00:47:27,925 --> 00:47:32,365
So general, in addition

917
00:47:32,365 --> 00:47:34,405
to the requirements outlined above

918
00:47:35,085 --> 00:47:37,325
the following architectural design standards shall apply

919
00:47:37,325 --> 00:47:39,885
for all structures in the central business district

920
00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:43,165
B architectural element exceptions

921
00:47:44,025 --> 00:47:46,005
non habitable architectural features

922
00:47:46,585 --> 00:47:48,085
in a apartments including

923
00:47:48,105 --> 00:47:51,645
but not limited to clock towers, cupolas, steeples,

924
00:47:51,675 --> 00:47:55,525
bell towers and chimneys may exceed the maximum elevation

925
00:47:55,795 --> 00:47:59,685
established by up

926
00:47:59,745 --> 00:48:00,965
to 20 feet.

927
00:48:01,325 --> 00:48:04,725
Provided that such features do not collectively exceed

928
00:48:05,345 --> 00:48:09,325
33% of the total gross roof area.

929
00:48:11,305 --> 00:48:13,445
One of the things I would suggest for

930
00:48:14,175 --> 00:48:17,965
legal cross-referencing is we could add in that

931
00:48:19,455 --> 00:48:23,735
sentence may exceed the maximum elevation limited

932
00:48:23,965 --> 00:48:27,695
established in section blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

933
00:48:27,695 --> 00:48:30,975
Which is the, the zoning ordinance where it gives

934
00:48:30,975 --> 00:48:34,455
that number to include that outward reference there.

935
00:48:35,245 --> 00:48:38,255
Okay. And then in the zoning ordinance

936
00:48:38,255 --> 00:48:41,775
where we talk about a initial use permit, we're gonna point

937
00:48:41,835 --> 00:48:46,175
to section one 70 dash 86.3.

938
00:48:47,235 --> 00:48:49,135
So that pointers in either direction.

939
00:48:51,935 --> 00:48:54,815
C, performance and design standards for increased height to

940
00:48:55,375 --> 00:48:57,095
mitigate visual impact of building mass

941
00:48:57,355 --> 00:48:58,855
and preserve pedestrian scale.

942
00:48:58,915 --> 00:49:01,015
Any building or structure exceeding six stories

943
00:49:01,595 --> 00:49:03,015
or 65 feet in height

944
00:49:03,275 --> 00:49:05,975
as measured from the average finished grade at the street.

945
00:49:05,975 --> 00:49:08,735
Frontage shall comply with the following standards

946
00:49:08,735 --> 00:49:13,095
during site plan review, upper story setbacks,

947
00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:17,135
step setbacks, the exterior front wall

948
00:49:17,155 --> 00:49:21,175
of any story located at a height greater than 65 feet

949
00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:23,695
above the average finished grade shall be set back

950
00:49:23,995 --> 00:49:26,335
by a minimum of 10 feet from the primary

951
00:49:26,855 --> 00:49:29,095
exterior front wall of the lower stories.

952
00:49:29,275 --> 00:49:33,295
We, we see that a fair amount in, in current

953
00:49:34,155 --> 00:49:37,935
trendy architecture where, you know,

954
00:49:37,935 --> 00:49:39,055
you've got different roof lines,

955
00:49:39,055 --> 00:49:40,215
you've got different setbacks.

956
00:49:40,595 --> 00:49:42,655
The building is not just a box. Right.

957
00:49:43,365 --> 00:49:45,815
It's funny, a lot of your larger cities did that.

958
00:49:46,365 --> 00:49:50,855
They had a New York city had a, had a formula,

959
00:49:51,315 --> 00:49:54,415
the, you know, setback to the hyper of the base

960
00:49:54,415 --> 00:49:57,575
of the structure across the street, blah, blah blah.

961
00:49:57,575 --> 00:50:00,775
Then they did away with it in the seventies, they put

962
00:50:00,775 --> 00:50:01,815
that in, in the thirties

963
00:50:01,815 --> 00:50:03,055
they did away with it in the seventies.

964
00:50:03,055 --> 00:50:04,175
Now they've gone back to it again.

965
00:50:05,755 --> 00:50:08,175
So that you don't have these, not that we're gonna get any

966
00:50:08,175 --> 00:50:09,975
that big, but you don't have these giant boxes.

967
00:50:11,535 --> 00:50:15,615
I agree with it. I think, I think it adds, adds to the,

968
00:50:16,835 --> 00:50:19,415
So number two, no interrupted length

969
00:50:19,555 --> 00:50:24,495
of any facade shall exceed 150 horizontal feet facades

970
00:50:24,645 --> 00:50:27,965
exceeding one 50 feet in length shall incorporate wall

971
00:50:27,965 --> 00:50:28,965
playing projections

972
00:50:29,065 --> 00:50:33,445
or recesses having a minimum depth of three feet

973
00:50:33,465 --> 00:50:35,485
to reduce perceived building mass.

974
00:50:38,715 --> 00:50:41,365
Just as a scr thing.

975
00:50:42,705 --> 00:50:45,125
The first word facade in that

976
00:50:47,365 --> 00:50:49,525
sentence has the fancy French little descender

977
00:50:49,545 --> 00:50:50,645
on the sea and the second one doesn't.

978
00:50:50,645 --> 00:50:51,525
Oh. The seed

979
00:50:57,115 --> 00:50:59,805
free building designs shall incorporate varied roof lines

980
00:50:59,805 --> 00:51:02,805
utilizing peaches such as gables, hip roofs, stormers

981
00:51:03,145 --> 00:51:04,685
or decorative parapets

982
00:51:04,985 --> 00:51:07,045
to prevent continuous monotonous roof planes.

983
00:51:08,905 --> 00:51:11,245
And for rooftop mechanical screening.

984
00:51:11,625 --> 00:51:13,485
All rooftop mechanical equipment including

985
00:51:13,485 --> 00:51:16,805
but not limited to HVAC units, elevator overruns,

986
00:51:16,955 --> 00:51:20,205
ventilation systems shall be fully screened from public view

987
00:51:21,075 --> 00:51:23,605
from adjacent street level and abutting properties.

988
00:51:24,125 --> 00:51:27,405
I would add to that list of, of not limited to

989
00:51:28,855 --> 00:51:33,085
solar panels having just recently gone there.

990
00:51:34,295 --> 00:51:38,545
Right. And then it's a screening show,

991
00:51:38,545 --> 00:51:40,865
be architecturally compatible with a primary structure

992
00:51:41,365 --> 00:51:43,265
and may utilize parapet walls

993
00:51:43,285 --> 00:51:44,705
or enclosed architectural features.

994
00:51:45,125 --> 00:51:47,225
So all of that sounds, sounds very good to me.

995
00:51:49,005 --> 00:51:51,545
And a couple suggestions for including

996
00:51:52,585 --> 00:51:54,585
explicitly including solar panel farms

997
00:51:54,685 --> 00:51:56,785
and maybe the front forward

998
00:51:56,805 --> 00:51:59,265
and backwards section references.

999
00:51:59,575 --> 00:52:03,105
Okay. Make it easy for people to figure out where the, the

1000
00:52:03,845 --> 00:52:05,265
do moving moving pieces are.

1001
00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:08,385
I think sounds good to me. Do we need to, any comments,

1002
00:52:08,825 --> 00:52:09,825
Questions?

1003
00:52:09,825 --> 00:52:11,545
Would you have a height on the solar panels? Huh?

1004
00:52:11,545 --> 00:52:13,945
Because would you have a height on the solar panels?

1005
00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:17,185
No, I'm just saying you, you screen 'em because

1006
00:52:17,185 --> 00:52:20,305
Some of 'em that's on the side, they can be up 20,

1007
00:52:20,305 --> 00:52:23,735
30 feet high in, in inside one's yard.

1008
00:52:26,565 --> 00:52:27,855
Well this is in the CBD,

1009
00:52:27,855 --> 00:52:30,615
so I don't think it's gonna be someone's yard, but, okay.

1010
00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:34,495
Okay. Anyone have thoughts

1011
00:52:34,495 --> 00:52:36,135
on deletions?

1012
00:52:36,335 --> 00:52:40,335
Additions proven. Oh, those all sound good to me.

1013
00:52:40,955 --> 00:52:42,015
Sounds good to everyone.

1014
00:52:43,195 --> 00:52:45,655
Do we need conditional use criteria

1015
00:52:48,195 --> 00:52:49,895
Or Is it just gonna be a way

1016
00:52:49,895 --> 00:52:52,415
Of i I Well the intent is that

1017
00:52:54,875 --> 00:52:59,015
the criteria is in

1018
00:53:01,715 --> 00:53:04,295
1 70, 86 0.3

1019
00:53:05,095 --> 00:53:07,215
B, the exceptions.

1020
00:53:09,275 --> 00:53:12,175
So I mean, you could even get more specific and, and

1021
00:53:12,175 --> 00:53:16,135
and reference paragraph B there for the, the

1022
00:53:17,425 --> 00:53:19,135
conditions that have to be found.

1023
00:53:19,405 --> 00:53:22,735
Okay. True for, to grant the conditional use permit. Okay.

1024
00:53:25,035 --> 00:53:27,365
That works. Mr. Moey, do you have a question?

1025
00:53:27,515 --> 00:53:28,965
Yeah, so for the rooftop thing,

1026
00:53:29,005 --> 00:53:30,805
I know it says mechanical screening, do we have

1027
00:53:30,805 --> 00:53:31,805
to be worried about any sort

1028
00:53:31,805 --> 00:53:33,685
of light fixtures at the top of there?

1029
00:53:34,185 --> 00:53:36,525
So if they had to work on any of this stuff, would we,

1030
00:53:36,935 --> 00:53:38,285
would we be any concerns

1031
00:53:38,285 --> 00:53:43,285
of any lighting things up there? Just throwing it out

1032
00:53:44,165 --> 00:53:45,165
There.

1033
00:53:45,165 --> 00:53:49,015
I don't remember seeing any plans that came to us

1034
00:53:49,565 --> 00:53:52,815
with lighting fixtures for maintenance work.

1035
00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:54,615
Okay. Just, just a thought.

1036
00:53:54,795 --> 00:53:56,455
And if there were, I mean it would only be used

1037
00:53:56,455 --> 00:53:58,455
during maintenance, so Yeah.

1038
00:53:58,455 --> 00:53:59,695
You can use God as an example.

1039
00:54:00,015 --> 00:54:03,655
I mean if you have a a, a roof deck on which you're parking,

1040
00:54:03,655 --> 00:54:04,895
you're probably gonna have lighting up there.

1041
00:54:05,795 --> 00:54:10,135
But in this case we ended up for Vidor, we ended up covering

1042
00:54:10,135 --> 00:54:11,615
that over with the solar structure.

1043
00:54:12,885 --> 00:54:14,655
Just a thought. Yeah.

1044
00:54:17,015 --> 00:54:19,015
I mean I think there's other portions of the

1045
00:54:21,695 --> 00:54:26,015
LDCR that deal with photometrics and light spell, so Okay.

1046
00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:28,695
Probably gonna be covered even if someone wants to do that.

1047
00:54:29,485 --> 00:54:31,855
That was my only thought. Anyone else?

1048
00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:37,575
Okay, so that was just a couple of minor,

1049
00:54:38,755 --> 00:54:40,055
almost editorial things.

1050
00:54:40,485 --> 00:54:43,855
Okay. And then we're done with that one. Right.

1051
00:54:44,355 --> 00:54:47,215
It feels good to be done. Nail bites. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1052
00:54:48,315 --> 00:54:52,975
And then so now we're onto board member comments.

1053
00:54:54,915 --> 00:54:56,135
Mr. Chase, Mr.

1054
00:54:56,515 --> 00:54:58,815
Vy is taking a seat on the Southern

1055
00:54:58,815 --> 00:55:00,055
New Hampshire Planning Commission as

1056
00:55:00,055 --> 00:55:01,055
A full member.

1057
00:55:01,055 --> 00:55:05,535
Oh, nice. And,

1058
00:55:05,595 --> 00:55:10,495
and congratulations are, are due to Brian Fishman

1059
00:55:10,495 --> 00:55:12,135
and his family because he has a new son.

1060
00:55:13,175 --> 00:55:15,695
Excellent. Oh, that's good.

1061
00:55:18,755 --> 00:55:20,055
Mr. Chase. If I may,

1062
00:55:21,775 --> 00:55:24,495
I was a little discouraged yesterday.

1063
00:55:24,695 --> 00:55:25,815
I I had the privilege.

1064
00:55:25,895 --> 00:55:28,335
I saw Town Council appointed me as a member

1065
00:55:28,395 --> 00:55:30,735
and then today I received my first email from the Southern

1066
00:55:30,755 --> 00:55:31,815
New Hampshire Planning Commission

1067
00:55:32,245 --> 00:55:35,655
that this next meeting was canceled. And the executive,

1068
00:55:36,315 --> 00:55:38,015
The executive Director is retiring.

1069
00:55:39,035 --> 00:55:40,655
So I'm putting on a brave face today.

1070
00:55:40,795 --> 00:55:41,855
I'm sure, I'm sure they were not

1071
00:55:41,855 --> 00:55:43,655
related. I'm putting on a brave

1072
00:55:43,655 --> 00:55:45,615
Face, but it's hard to not read between the lines.

1073
00:55:48,555 --> 00:55:51,935
Oh yeah. Yeah. Nate will do a nice job. Yeah.

1074
00:55:51,955 --> 00:55:55,655
So everyone, I we do have fun here. We do. Yeah.

1075
00:55:56,035 --> 00:55:57,575
Any other board member comments?

1076
00:55:58,065 --> 00:56:00,575
Thank you for yesterday. Very informative.

1077
00:56:01,185 --> 00:56:02,375
Class six wrote

1078
00:56:02,595 --> 00:56:05,535
and so thank you to you Elizabeth,

1079
00:56:05,535 --> 00:56:07,135
for sending me to that workshop yesterday.

1080
00:56:07,475 --> 00:56:09,655
You know what, what I loved was Caroline.

1081
00:56:10,175 --> 00:56:11,775
Caroline, thank you Caroline for sending me that

1082
00:56:11,855 --> 00:56:12,855
Workshop.

1083
00:56:12,855 --> 00:56:15,255
So the attorney was giving the class not only really

1084
00:56:15,765 --> 00:56:18,735
knew the term discontinued subject to gates and bars.

1085
00:56:18,975 --> 00:56:20,895
'cause I've gotten queer eyes from people

1086
00:56:20,915 --> 00:56:22,055
on the board when I use that term.

1087
00:56:22,235 --> 00:56:25,805
But she knew the historical agricultural origin of it

1088
00:56:25,805 --> 00:56:27,085
and I was very impressed.

1089
00:56:27,745 --> 00:56:29,205
Yes. Both attorneys. Was it Christine?

1090
00:56:29,435 --> 00:56:32,325
Both attorneys were very impressive yesterday. Yeah.

1091
00:56:32,325 --> 00:56:34,925
That was, that was a, that was a very informative workshop

1092
00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:36,165
yesterday, so thank you.

1093
00:56:36,635 --> 00:56:41,365
Good. Yeah. That's gonna be recorded, isn't it?

1094
00:56:42,025 --> 00:56:43,125
It will be good. I gotta

1095
00:56:43,125 --> 00:56:44,125
It be, I gotta watch that.

1096
00:56:44,125 --> 00:56:45,845
I wanted to watch that one, but I was unable to. Yes.

1097
00:56:46,035 --> 00:56:48,245
It's worth your time Mr. Chase. Yes. To watch that.

1098
00:56:48,325 --> 00:56:50,005
I they were, as a matter of fact, yes,

1099
00:56:50,005 --> 00:56:51,045
they were recording it.

1100
00:56:51,645 --> 00:56:53,085
'cause we took a lunch break and they turned off the

1101
00:56:53,085 --> 00:56:55,005
recordings and stuff and they did say yeah.

1102
00:56:55,435 --> 00:56:58,085
Able to go back online later. You can rewatch it again.

1103
00:56:58,115 --> 00:56:59,965
Yeah. It's, you get access to it.

1104
00:57:00,155 --> 00:57:03,525
Yeah. Good. Okay. Any other comments?

1105
00:57:04,665 --> 00:57:07,085
If not, somebody like to make a motion to adjourn.

1106
00:57:08,625 --> 00:57:10,285
So moved. Move Mr. Chair. Second.

1107
00:57:10,655 --> 00:57:13,245
Moved by second by Melanie to adjourn.

1108
00:57:13,245 --> 00:57:16,445
All those in favor say aye. Aye. Move. Stand. Adjourned.