[0:02] Welcome to the Town of Dairy Planning Board meeting
[0:05] for May 6th, 2026.
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[0:24] indivisible, with liberty and justice.
[0:32] Alright, we'll, we'll do some administrative first.
[0:36] We don't have a, an audience, and I assume all the members
[0:39] and staff here know how to get outta the building
[0:40] if the alarm rings.
[0:42] So the planning board voluntarily continues
[0:46] to offer remote participation.
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[0:50] vote shall be by roll call.
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[1:37] I will introduce the members
[1:39] and staff who are present this evening.
[1:43] In the audience is, is our economic
[1:46] development Director, Ms. Donovan.
[1:49] Our alternates. Mr. Ey and Mr.
[1:52] Appleton, planning Director Ms. Rubido.
[1:55] Good evening planning clerk.
[1:57] Ms. Wilson Town Council Liaison. Mr. Chase.
[2:02] Good evening, member Mr. Wood. Good evening, member. Mr.
[2:06] Menini. Good evening, vice chair. Mr. O'Connor.
[2:09] Good evening. On the far side is Mr.
[2:11] Preventer, who is the coordinator for, for Dairy Cam,
[2:13] who makes all the video magic work for us?
[2:15] Good evening. Mr. Church is
[2:20] apparently absent and Mr.
[2:22] Fishman is absent. So I would like to ask Mr.
[2:26] Ey to sit for Mr. Fishman.
[2:30] We have member Mr. Pier. Good evening Secretary. Mr.
[2:35] Alibi. Hello. And I'm Dave Nelson. I'm the chair.
[2:43] So under administrative business we have three
[2:45] matters of escrow.
[2:47] Item number 26 dash 13, Kenneth
[2:50] and Tunde. I ring.
[2:53] Okay, so the developers would be the IR family.
[2:57] This is a cash escrow parcel id.
[3:00] Location is map 32, lot 33 for Lennox Road.
[3:05] The request is to establish escrow in the amount
[3:07] of $12,161 25 cents for the above noted project,
[3:12] this escrow will be non-interest bearing.
[3:16] Mr. Chair also move. Second,
[3:19] Moved by O'Connor, second by Mamy to accept as presented.
[3:24] Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.
[3:28] Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Ey? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.
[3:33] Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.
[3:37] Next item is 26 dash 14 G and P holdings.
[3:41] LLC.
[3:43] Okay. And this is
[3:46] for the loading dock edition at Fortum Avenue.
[3:51] This is a cash escrow parcel ID.
[3:54] Location 3 5 0 15 dash three.
[3:57] The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount
[4:00] of $8,697 45 cents for the above noted project.
[4:05] This escrow will also be non-interest bearing.
[4:09] Mr. Chair also move also. Second
[4:12] Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Maby
[4:14] to accept as presented.
[4:16] Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Nini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?
[4:21] Yes. Mr. Mamey? Yes. Mr. Here? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes.
[4:26] The chair votes? Yes. And the last
[4:31] escrow item is 26 dash 15 for 33 East Area Road.
[4:35] Okay, for this one, the developer is Crystal, DOT Realty.
[4:39] It is cash, escrow, parcel id,
[4:41] location map 38 lot 2 33 East Derry Road.
[4:44] This is for a minor subdivision.
[4:47] The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount
[4:50] of $59,259 50 cents for the above noted project.
[4:55] This escrow will be non-interest bearing.
[4:59] Mr. Chair, there's no concerns on that.
[5:00] I'll also move this also.
[5:02] Second. Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Melanie
[5:04] to accept it presented.
[5:06] Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.
[5:09] Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Mozzie? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.
[5:14] Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.
[5:20] We will now go on to approval of minutes.
[5:21] We have the minutes of April 15th, 2026
[5:25] as everyone had a chance to re review, review them.
[5:29] Is, are everything fine or are there errors or omissions? Do
[5:34] I have to repeat that?
[5:36] You can just move to Mr. Chair.
[5:39] There is no corrections to this yet.
[5:40] Then I'll move to accept as written. Second. Alright.
[5:43] Move to by O'Connor.
[5:44] A second by Maldi to accept the minutes
[5:47] of April 15th as written.
[5:49] Mr. Chase, I'll abstain. I was absent that night. Okay.
[5:52] Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.
[5:57] Mr. Ey? Yes. Mr. Pier. I'll abstain.
[6:00] I was not in attendance. Mr. Maldy? Yes.
[6:03] And the chair votes Yes.
[6:08] Correspondence.
[6:09] Mr. Chair, we have two pieces of correspondence today.
[6:12] Both are informational only.
[6:16] The first is an email from the NHMA New Hampshire
[6:19] Municipal Association.
[6:21] Just letting us know that the new
[6:23] and latest issue of New Hampshire Town
[6:25] and City Magazine is now available.
[6:29] And the other is an email that was received
[6:31] by our planning director from Michael McCormick,
[6:34] who's representing SI 61 Crystal Ave.
[6:36] Here in Derry. Again, this is just
[6:39] for the board's information only.
[6:40] No actions required at this point.
[6:42] That's gonna go to zoning. But there, there are photos
[6:45] of the property that would represent the roof
[6:48] and wall colors together at this building at 61 Crystal.
[6:54] Okay. Thank you very much.
[6:57] We now have other business.
[7:01] We have promo promo proposed amendments to the policies
[7:04] and procedures.
[7:06] So that is on in your packet, both physical and electronic.
[7:13] Has everyone had a chance to review those since the last set
[7:17] of changes at the
[7:21] last, last reading?
[7:32] Are there any, we'll give you a moment
[7:35] or two to look at 'em.
[7:36] Any any questions or comments?
[7:43] Okay. If
[7:48] not, what is the board's pleasure?
[7:54] We need two clean reads.
[7:56] So we would have a second clean read
[7:58] and then a vote at the next meeting.
[8:00] Yeah. So if there are no changes,
[8:01] Both would be to move it on to the fifth
[8:04] or sixth reading, whatever it was.
[8:07] Yeah. Well this is the first time you had actual changes
[8:10] to look at, so, okay.
[8:11] Yeah. So we would, we would do a second clean read
[8:16] and then a vote on the 20th if the board is okay
[8:19] with the draft as written.
[8:21] Okay. I'm,
[8:24] I have no problems with it Also.
[8:27] So I guess we don't, we don't,
[8:28] if there's no objections, we don't need a, a motion.
[8:30] We will. That's right. Move it to the next reading. Okay.
[8:37] We have an architectural design review
[8:40] for sign in the West Running Brook.
[8:42] District Parcel ID 0 5 0 3 9 1 Scottish Way,
[8:47] unit one for State Farm Insurance.
[8:51] Okay. So very similar to any application in the, the TBOD.
[8:55] The West Running Brook district requires
[8:57] that the planning board review the proposed signage
[9:02] before signed permit is issued.
[9:05] So State Farm Insurance is moving from 10 Manchester Road
[9:08] to the new commercial building located at one Scottish Way.
[9:11] And then the proposed signage for
[9:13] that unit is attached to your memo.
[9:15] And the recommendation would be to approve it as presented.
[9:19] Any comments or questions on the proposed signage?
[9:25] If not, what is the board's pleasure
[9:27] Mr.
[9:28] Chair? I move pursuant to the town
[9:30] of dairy zoning ordinance, article 12
[9:33] signs section 1 65 dash 1 0 1 12
[9:38] signs and the WRB to approve the sign designed, presented
[9:42] for State Farm Insurance.
[9:45] Possible 0 5 0 3 9 1 Scottish Way,
[9:49] unit one as presented.
[9:51] The board finds a sign as compatible
[9:53] with the surrounding buildings,
[9:55] meets the regulations contained in the ordinance
[9:58] and compliments the surrounding architect.
[10:00] I so move. Second.
[10:02] Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Maby to accept
[10:05] the sign as presented.
[10:07] Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.
[10:12] Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Mozzie? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby?
[10:16] Yes. Chair votes? Yes. Great, thank you.
[10:22] Next is planning director
[10:25] and chairman updates.
[10:28] Okay. So we have not any, any had any TRC recently,
[10:32] so I have nothing to update you with regard to that.
[10:35] However, our next meeting on the 20th,
[10:38] we'll have five applications.
[10:40] So, because that'll be a little bit more
[10:42] intense meeting than we've had.
[10:44] If you are not going to be present, please let me know
[10:47] as soon as possible because we really need
[10:49] to make sure we have a quorum that night.
[10:52] And I also just wanted to remind everyone
[10:55] that there is a planning
[10:56] and zoning conference this Saturday.
[10:58] You can attend virtually
[11:00] and if you want to sign up for that, please let myself
[11:03] or Caroline know and we can take care of that for you.
[11:06] It's really good training put on by the State
[11:11] Office of Planning and Development.
[11:13] So you're interested in that?
[11:15] Yeah. So I'm attending, they have three tracks.
[11:19] You have to sign up for one of them,
[11:20] but they don't stop you from skipping from track to track.
[11:24] New members might want to just absorb all the basics,
[11:28] but if you've, you know, been to them before
[11:29] and you want to go look at some special topics, you
[11:32] on a time slot basis,
[11:34] you can switch from from track to track.
[11:36] Yeah. Yeah.
[11:39] And the only thing I have is, Mr.
[11:43] Applicant, how you doing on your recruiting?
[11:47] I'm away outta East. No pressure. Okay.
[11:51] Oh, but we're the fun board. Come on. Fun. Fun.
[11:54] Yeah. We we're the board of, yes.
[11:55] So we're, it's the fun board. I'm, I'm
[11:57] Working on it, but I can't make any
[11:59] Promises.
[12:00] Okay. So that's all I have. Oh,
[12:02] I have one more item if I could.
[12:03] Oh. So we were informed this week
[12:06] that Sylvia von ACH will be retiring
[12:10] at the end of this month.
[12:12] She's the executive director
[12:14] for Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission.
[12:16] She has been my entire career a mentor to me
[12:20] and a, she has a, she has a very, she has a way
[12:25] of making planning fun.
[12:27] And she has taught me along the way, you know,
[12:32] you take the job seriously, don't take yourself seriously.
[12:35] And she's just been a guiding light
[12:37] and she's gonna be truly missed.
[12:39] Nate Miller will be stepping into her position and,
[12:43] and then I think the deputy executive director will be
[12:46] Suzanne Neighbor, whom you're all familiar with
[12:47] because she's helped us out on a lot of
[12:50] our outreach here in town.
[12:53] They will be having a going away party for Sylvia.
[12:56] If you're interested in attending that.
[12:58] It will be during the day, let me know.
[13:00] But she is,
[13:04] the commission's gonna be in great hands with Nate,
[13:07] but Sylvia will definitely be missed.
[13:10] Okay, great. Well thank you for that update.
[13:15] So now we have workshop number five
[13:18] to discuss proposed changes for
[13:20] Article six District provisions section 1 65 dash 33
[13:25] Central Business District.
[13:28] We've seen this several times before.
[13:31] There are a number of maps that are in your package
[13:37] and while it might be tempting the fates, I have
[13:40] the GS system on a laptop here and,
[13:42] and I'm gonna try to join the meeting and,
[13:43] and be able to share that screen so
[13:46] that we can drive it live and look at things in real time.
[13:50] So I don't know how well that is gonna work.
[13:53] Every time I try something new with av,
[13:55] there's always a bug.
[13:58] So am I allowed to
[14:02] Yes, Mr.
[14:03] Chair, you should have received a notification to join the
[14:05] as a panelist, which will allow you
[14:07] to share your screen. I'll try that one more
[14:11] Time.
[14:12] Oh, there it is. There you go. Okay.
[14:14] Rejoining a little spinny. All right.
[14:21] So share and Owen, we trust share this application window.
[14:27] Okay. Want sound?
[14:31] Alright, so let's kind of
[14:36] recap where we were
[14:37] and what we thought we needed to work on.
[14:40] Right? Most of the items
[14:45] I think were, were pretty set on,
[14:51] but we did want to continue to figure out
[14:53] what we're gonna do with a couple of items.
[14:56] And in specific the
[15:01] preservation of streetscape.
[15:03] The way that reads now,
[15:09] let's see if I can find that.
[15:10] I'll read that for you.
[15:16] So we have a, a maximum front yard depth similar to
[15:21] what we have in the TBOD.
[15:24] And item A says,
[15:25] when the lot width at the front lot line is 75 feet
[15:28] or less, the maximum yard depth shall be eight feet
[15:33] or the average of the existing yard depths,
[15:35] four 100 feet in every direction
[15:37] along the street, whichever is greater.
[15:39] And b, when the lot width at the front lot line is greater
[15:42] than 75 feet, the maximum yard depth shall be 25 feet.
[15:46] So we've got two, two sets of, of,
[15:50] of dimensions depending on the width of the lot.
[15:52] And it really has to do with aspect ratios.
[15:54] If you've got a really narrow lot,
[15:55] you don't want things set back too far.
[15:58] And what works with that is I parking
[16:03] restriction,
[16:08] which, where, where is that?
[16:14] Okay, the parking is that one
[16:17] all off street parking areas shall be
[16:19] provided in such a way that no vehicle will be required
[16:23] or will be likely to back into the street or access drive.
[16:28] We talked about that during our district walk about the
[16:33] dangers of, of vehicles backing right out into the street.
[16:36] Number two, no parking, storage
[16:38] or display of vehicles shall be allowed
[16:40] between the front lot line in line parallel with the front
[16:43] of the structure closest to the front lot line,
[16:46] which basically means you can't
[16:48] park cars in front of the building.
[16:51] Although in looking at the GIS one of the things
[16:54] that we don't really
[16:57] necessarily notice when we're doing a site walk is that
[17:00] the lot lines are often not where you would think they are.
[17:05] The paved street is not often in the center
[17:08] of the public right of way.
[17:10] And so where those paved sections are a, a bit offset,
[17:17] we can't really, the the,
[17:20] the planning board can't prevent folks from parking
[17:23] in the public right of way off the pavement.
[17:25] That would be a town council kind of regulation.
[17:29] But we, we, we just prevent them from parking
[17:31] heading in, in front of the building.
[17:33] And then otherwise, as
[17:35] provided in the land development control regulations,
[17:40] the idea was to provide some more flexibility
[17:42] for landscape and layout.
[17:45] No one suggested that they wanted to see, you know,
[17:48] parking lots in, in front of a building, like a,
[17:51] a strip mall style.
[17:52] So this is where we are at.
[17:56] Is everyone happy with that
[17:58] or do we wanna consider some other options?
[18:10] I would say we'd continue on
[18:12] with this one here, what you did.
[18:14] 'cause a lot of it came out when we did the sidewalk walk
[18:17] and we actually saw a lot of the visual there
[18:19] and it made more sense. So I would
[18:21] Concur.
[18:22] So I'm gonna try to drive the mouse
[18:23] and talk into the mic at the same time.
[18:25] We'll see how that works. So on the screen
[18:29] in front of you, the brown, the tan
[18:34] where, where you see the, the mouse currently that is the,
[18:38] the, the CBD and it kind of wraps around
[18:43] the, there's some residential district here, right there.
[18:47] And then north of it, the TBOD actually extends
[18:53] down into the core of the CBD.
[18:57] The CBD goes all the way back to Rollin Street wraps
[19:00] around down Birch Street, goes all the way down to,
[19:02] you know, the South Ave and beyond.
[19:05] And then it comes around the other side down Maple Street
[19:10] and down Central Street.
[19:15] So it's kind of a horseshoe shaped.
[19:17] And I'll notice that the lots that we primarily looked at
[19:23] were those along here along Birch Street
[19:26] and along South Ave, which are, are the smaller, you know,
[19:30] residential conversion.
[19:31] Lots. I'll, I'll observe that in other parts of
[19:35] that district there are some much more sizable parcels.
[19:41] I don't know how many of them are likely
[19:43] to be redeveloped in any short timeframe,
[19:47] but if we would like to, you know, consider special
[19:52] provisions for those, we can maybe try to identify them and
[19:56] and, and take a look at them on on the map.
[19:59] Does anyone have any, any thoughts on that?
[20:03] I'm, I'm happy to go either way, honestly.
[20:06] I mean I, I think given the redevelopment in Abbott court,
[20:10] that little triangle of central court, central Street
[20:15] where 1, 2, 3, 4 or five, six lot like
[20:18] So in right in Here.
[20:19] Yeah. Yeah. I think that there's some
[20:23] existing multifamily there
[20:26] and some single family 23 central is going
[20:29] before the zoning board tomorrow night for variance so
[20:33] that they can redevelop that lot.
[20:35] That is an area that might have,
[20:38] we might see redevelopment
[20:40] or reuse of those lots sooner than we would say
[20:45] anything further down Birch Street
[20:48] over near the gas station.
[20:51] So I could try to zoom in.
[20:54] This thing's awfully sensitive and I may just
[20:58] Completely lose It.
[21:02] Bear with me here. So one
[21:06] of the things I can do if I'm smart is I can use the
[21:10] measurement tool that's not the measurement
[21:13] Tool. Boy
[21:15] This mouse is kind of sketchy. Alright, let's
[21:17] Go over the laptop.
[21:22] So for example, this
[21:26] lot here,
[21:35] that's 79 or 81 feet depending on you look at, so most
[21:38] of the lots over there are gonna be above the 75 foot and
[21:42] therefore have the, the the 25 foot yes.
[21:45] Setback. And so I guess the question is in that area, is
[21:49] that sufficient flexibility for development of those lots,
[21:54] Mr.
[21:55] Chair? I would say isn't there that one of the lots,
[21:57] isn't there a, a site plan coming in front of us pretty soon
[22:01] regarding the five condos
[22:03] that they're proposing? Or is that going
[22:05] That'll, that'll be at ZBA tomorrow night.
[22:07] That's tomorrow night with them.
[22:08] Yeah. But
[22:10] Yeah, so a big chunk of that's gonna have five condos.
[22:15] Yeah. Right.
[22:18] And of course that's probably got interior,
[22:20] interior access drives and, and all that kind of stuff.
[22:23] Yeah. And I think in that area
[22:25] the 25 foot setback is more appropriate than the eight,
[22:29] given the characteristics of that
[22:32] Part.
[22:33] Okay. Are there any other parcels
[22:38] that people are specifically interested
[22:42] and would like to drive to and,
[22:45] and take a look at on, on the map
[22:47] before we kind of try to wrap up on this if we're,
[22:51] if if we have consensus?
[22:56] Well, No,
[22:59] If you really look at that section down through there,
[23:02] there's only two properties that really have
[23:08] any kind of a setback to 'em.
[23:09] All the rest of them are right on the street. So,
[23:15] Well, I guess the question is when there's redevelopment,
[23:17] is it reuse, adaptive reuse
[23:21] or is it a tear down?
[23:23] Rebuild
[23:25] 23 I believe is gonna be a tear down. That's the, that
[23:29] Was where the fire Was.
[23:30] That was where the fire was.
[23:30] That one's gonna be a tear down.
[23:32] Yeah, I know it has changed
[23:35] because the, the variance is gonna be
[23:38] to eliminate the commercial portion of it, which
[23:42] goes against what we're trying to do here.
[23:45] It is. So,
[23:56] and yes, there are some, some, there's a couple
[23:59] of larger parcels there,
[24:01] but if you look at one, that would be
[24:07] a, if, if the time ever came, if you just to the left
[24:11] of your arrow, Mr. Chair
[24:13] Over here, Right there,
[24:15] that's a sizeable parcel. Alright. So that's,
[24:17] There's Quite a few buildings on it
[24:19] and it actually doesn't have any
[24:22] street frontage to speak of.
[24:25] It's Not given, they call it, they call it store
[24:27] of court, but it's really not a street,
[24:31] it's more of a driveway.
[24:33] So if they go to redevelop that, I mean that could be a a,
[24:39] a really nice project in there,
[24:40] but they really don't have any streets scape for that one.
[24:44] So that one didn't matter. Oh, you're forbidden
[24:47] Row.
[24:48] Okay. We, we'll try, I'm not trying that again.
[24:49] You could click on the vision link,
[24:50] it might give you what you need.
[24:54] So I'm not, I I
[24:59] I can't say that I'm opposed to the 25 foot setback.
[25:06] I, I can't get the little,
[25:07] It just seems to me that we're kind
[25:09] of piecemealing it from like Burt Street
[25:12] where we want eight feet to Central Ave.
[25:14] Which most of the houses
[25:15] or most of the structures are on the
[25:17] street except for a couple.
[25:19] And now you're saying, well it's okay for 25 foot there,
[25:23] it seems we're working against ourselves.
[25:27] I can't get to the 0.00 I had it for a second
[25:30] where I can hit the X to dismiss it anyway, it's gone.
[25:34] Okay.
[25:36] That's the only point that I wanted to make there. Oh,
[25:38] There it is.
[25:39] Okay. Yeah. So the screen sharing stopped.
[25:43] So I thought
[25:44] that if I clicked on the parcel identifier it would give you
[25:47] the, the acreage, but I guess
[25:48] It doesn't Oh, under, you'd have to under vision it would
[25:51] you have to click on vision, go into it
[25:53] Before you're right. It
[25:54] Used to be right there.
[25:56] So I I I guess the, the question is
[26:01] yes, we could have some that are tear downs
[26:04] and is is a, is a 25 foot maximum setback Okay.
[26:08] For, for those people. 'cause I,
[26:10] I think we still don't necessarily wanna a strip mall kind
[26:14] of development in this downtown area.
[26:16] Right? Anyone
[26:17] Disagree?
[26:18] No. Correct. Correct.
[26:19] Okay. Mr. Chair. Yeah.
[26:24] What about adding to par to
[26:29] line B or the average
[26:35] depth of the yard for 100 feet in every direction?
[26:38] Whichever is less.
[26:39] So it could be a maximum of a maximum of 25 feet
[26:44] or whatever the average is.
[26:47] So we don't have a, someone tearing down Well,
[26:51] So that, that's for the, the the 70 less than 75,
[26:54] which is a maximum of eight.
[26:59] Right? I'm saying for the ones greater than 75, 25 feet
[27:02] or the average of the average depth
[27:07] for a hundred feet in either direction,
[27:08] whichever those is, is less.
[27:10] So it would be a maximum of 25 feet. We,
[27:13] We, we could, I think in, in the areas
[27:16] that we were looking at, I could probably bring this up
[27:18] again if, if you wanna look at it again
[27:20] that the parcels are, are regular m
[27:23] and measuring along the street might be trickier than it is
[27:26] in the rows and rows of, of sort of uniform lots.
[27:30] I don't wanna create a a reg that's,
[27:32] that's difficult to interpret.
[27:34] But that's a, that's a, that's a good point,
[27:36] Right?
[27:37] I just wouldn't want someone to tear down, build something
[27:40] with a larger setback than the, the items around just
[27:43] because they're lots a little larger.
[27:46] And, and I guess that's gonna depend upon
[27:48] the, the vision of the developer.
[27:49] If they wanna have that downtown vibe, they'll,
[27:51] they'll sort of mimic what's around them.
[27:53] If, if they, if they really wanna be in general commercial
[27:56] and there's no land there and they're going here
[27:58] because that's all they got, then that's a different story.
[28:06] Anyone else think that we ought to make the 25
[28:11] also dependent upon neighbors?
[28:15] What's the thoughts on that?
[28:18] I, I don't think it's such a bad idea.
[28:22] If you, if you, I mean staying on Central Street,
[28:25] if you go down Central Street
[28:27] and once you go past central court on the even side
[28:30] of the street, all the houses are fairly
[28:33] even close to the road.
[28:35] If you look at the odd side of the street, you've got
[28:39] the garage that's right on the street, then the building
[28:43] behind it is set way back.
[28:45] Then the next building is on the street and the one
[28:48] after that is on the street
[28:49] and then the one that's gonna be
[28:51] redeveloped is sitting way back.
[28:52] And then the next two are right on the street
[28:55] and it's if you drive down
[28:57] and it's not the vision that we're trying to have here.
[29:02] So anything that would get that to what we are looking for,
[29:07] I'm in favor of if you only go a hundred feet
[29:13] and the average width of the lot is 80 feet,
[29:16] that means it's only gonna be the building on each side.
[29:19] You might wanna consider moving
[29:21] that up 200 feet on each side.
[29:26] Okay. Do you have some
[29:30] specific texts that you kinda think would effectuate that?
[29:36] I'm sorry, I'm not really paying full attention.
[29:38] I'm trying to get the GIS working again.
[29:42] So you wanna say for the, for the wider ones,
[29:45] go out 200 feet
[29:46] On each side?
[29:47] Yes. The average of
[29:48] Okay.
[29:49] 200 feet on each side.
[29:49] So when, so when the lot width at the front lot line is
[29:52] greater than 75 feet,
[29:53] the maximum yard depth shall be 25 feet
[29:56] or the average of the existing yard depths
[30:00] for 200 feet in every direction along the street,
[30:03] whichever is less.
[30:05] Yes.
[30:12] Let's see. And Mr.
[30:13] Chair, I usually find a baseball bat cures my
[30:16] computer problems very well.
[30:18] Well apparently I, I did something that I didn't like
[30:20] and it and it crashed though.
[30:21] Okay.
[30:23] That's unfortunate.
[30:24] So trying to get back to where we're supposed to be.
[30:36] No.
[30:59] So is does everyone like that amendment?
[31:05] I'm fine with it. Okay.
[31:06] Okay. So then we can go ahead and and do that.
[31:11] Yeah, they're composing a motion down there.
[31:14] Okay. I do have a question regarding the
[31:20] front lot line
[31:25] that is always, I know that it says it's the lot line
[31:29] where your front entrance faces,
[31:34] sometimes your front entrance
[31:39] is on a different street than your driveway
[31:43] and the fire department assigns addresses based on like,
[31:47] I just wanna make sure that we're clear when we're talking
[31:50] about what is the front when we've got multiple,
[31:54] like you might have a lot
[31:55] that has two streets or even three streets,
[31:58] Mr. Chair.
[32:00] Yep. Can I respond to that? Sure.
[32:06] A few years ago I was in charge
[32:07] of the whole southern district by doing the census
[32:11] and we all had it used to be done by paper.
[32:14] Yep. Similar to looking at some of our paper
[32:18] and what the census was trying to do was
[32:23] reposition what was going to be the address
[32:29] and I'm gonna lean more towards
[32:31] what the fire department's doing versus the driveway.
[32:35] 'cause the driveway wasn't part of it.
[32:37] We had to go up to every single front door
[32:40] and the front door was the main
[32:44] entrance for the whole thing.
[32:46] And that was changed in 2010 during that census thing.
[32:51] So I would go with the fire department
[32:53] 'cause typically I think they addressed the front door issue
[32:58] to do show some of that.
[32:59] Randy.
[33:01] Yeah, I agree with John that to try to keep
[33:06] everything uniform, that we ought to stick
[33:10] with another town department if that's
[33:12] fire department sets the addresses throughout the town
[33:16] and to stay uniform with that.
[33:18] I think we ought to say the front is what they give
[33:21] for the address rather than,
[33:23] well the fire department says this part
[33:24] of the house is the front,
[33:26] but code enforcement says the other side is the front.
[33:29] It's, it's just too confusing.
[33:31] I think we need one uniform designation
[33:35] and the easiest way is, is go with the master authority
[33:39] that at dish out the addresses.
[33:42] Yeah. Both the census
[33:43] and the American census still
[33:45] follows of the federal government.
[33:47] Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's polite to look at Mr. Chase.
[33:52] But you gotta like speak into
[33:53] The mic.
[33:54] Oh, I'm sorry. I thought, I thought it was close enough.
[33:58] So the, the only thing I'll observe is
[34:00] that on corner lots,
[34:02] because wherever the frontage is,
[34:07] whatever the address is that will have a
[34:11] control on the, on the, the setback in order
[34:15] to preserve the street scape on, on that street.
[34:18] But as soon as you go
[34:19] around the corner onto the adjacent street,
[34:22] that is now the side setback, which only has a minimum
[34:26] and could be whatever you want.
[34:28] So on corner lots, if, if we try
[34:32] to prevent folks from parking cars in front of the building
[34:37] where their address is, there's nothing
[34:39] that stops them from going around the corner on the, on the,
[34:43] the side street, which is also a frontage setting that back
[34:48] however much they want and putting cars there
[34:50] because we talk about the frontage
[34:53] and so that, that's a loophole.
[34:55] Yep. I don't know if we have
[34:57] to obsess about it, but it is a loophole.
[35:01] There's gotta be compromises and give and takes.
[35:03] And I think for the main street scape, what we're looking
[35:06] for is, is we had this with the coffee shop Yeah.
[35:10] On North app. Yep. That's a perfect example of it.
[35:14] You maintain the street scape on the front.
[35:17] You can't not,
[35:19] you can't necessarily maintain it all the way around.
[35:22] Right. If you maintained it all the way around,
[35:23] they'd have nothing for parking, not even on street parking.
[35:27] So to me
[35:31] it would be a good compromise and be more building
[35:35] or friendly, you know, retail friendly to
[35:41] say the frontage is the address designated
[35:44] by the fire department and if they do happen
[35:47] to be on a corner lot
[35:49] and they get their curb cuts through code enforcement
[35:52] to have a driveway on that side. Okay. They have it.
[35:57] I mean I'm not opposed to that.
[35:59] I just wanted to point out Yeah that is a,
[36:02] a potentially unintended con consequence.
[36:04] Right. So
[36:08] what I hear other than adding the, the toner feet
[36:11] in either direction along the roadway for the,
[36:14] the wider lots, we haven't made any other changes so far.
[36:19] No, the only other change would be to that definition
[36:21] of front lot line based on this conversation.
[36:24] What I took away was that
[36:27] that lot line which directly abuts the street side a lot
[36:29] except for lots which have multiple lot lines which abut
[36:32] streets, in which case the front lot line shall be deemed
[36:36] to be that lot line abutting a street from which the address
[36:41] as designated by the fire department is located. Okay.
[36:45] Yeah. Now there is one other thing that I,
[36:49] I brought up with Ms.
[36:50] Roberto before the, the meeting.
[36:53] I do like the idea of taking Mr.
[36:56] Pier's architectural exceptions
[37:01] in the district and putting it in the architectural design
[37:04] guidelines section of the LDCR.
[37:06] However, he's allowing coupa's
[37:10] and other structures to be a
[37:11] above the maximum height specified in the zoning ordinance
[37:16] for those particular architectural elements.
[37:18] We can't have the LDCR override the zoning ordinance
[37:22] unless in the zoning ordinance we say maximum height of
[37:27] above C level of X except
[37:30] where a conditional use permit is granted subject
[37:33] to the architectural design regulations section YYY.
[37:37] And that will give us the ability to say, okay,
[37:39] you got a cupula that can go above the maximum height
[37:42] and we'll grant you a conditional use permit so
[37:45] that we won't be a follow of the zoning ordinance.
[37:47] Yeah. Okay.
[37:49] So that would would be my suggestion to fix that.
[37:52] That's, yeah. Anyone have any different thoughts?
[37:57] No. Can you just say that again except
[38:01] where a conditional use permit been except
[38:03] Where a conditional use permit is granted pursuant
[38:07] to section and quote the section
[38:10] of the LDCR that we're adding that talks about
[38:16] structures in the, in the CBD
[38:19] 1 70 86 3.
[38:21] Okay.
[38:23] I, I don't, I don't have the numbers in front of me so
[38:25] Yeah.
[38:26] Okay. So we would amend that item six
[38:31] and it would be no building
[38:32] or structure within this district shall be higher than 425
[38:36] feet above sea level a SL as measured to the highest point
[38:39] of the roof except
[38:40] where a conditional use permit, blah blah blah. Yeah. Okay.
[38:44] Mr. Wood, So the only thing I was wondering is going
[38:48] back to once again the eight foot 25 foot setback rather
[38:53] than using a hundred feet
[38:54] or 200 feet, would it make more sense to just use X number
[38:57] of lots in any other direction?
[39:01] If The concern is you might only get one or two lots
[39:04] and then it could be four.
[39:07] I mean, I, I guess a hundred feet is always a hundred feet
[39:11] lots can be, you know, merged.
[39:14] So the, the, the number of lots could change over time.
[39:17] I don't know if that is a problem.
[39:20] It's just something that could happen.
[39:21] I was just thinking for simplicity's sake rather than
[39:27] Anyone have feelings one way or the other
[39:30] and it's kind of 61 half a dozen the other. Yeah,
[39:32] It really Is. Yeah.
[39:37] I just wasn't sure because I know the concern was yeah,
[39:40] with a hundred feet you might only get one lot. True.
[39:43] So the other thing I'll say is we, we need
[39:45] to get this like 85% correct.
[39:48] We, you know, pre is the enemy of good enough so often
[39:52] and for that 15% that we can't foresee, that's
[39:56] what variances are for.
[40:03] Alright. Does anyone have any other
[40:06] items than the ones we've enumerated they would
[40:09] like to see in the next reading?
[40:12] Did we go over the
[40:17] Oh, the Parking lot?
[40:18] The parking level We the parking Oh parking lots
[40:22] and parking structures have now have separate
[40:24] definitions. Yeah we
[40:26] Prob we probably should talk about that.
[40:29] Where is that in the, what page is that
[40:30] On?
[40:31] What's your first page
[40:32] Right after the maps?
[40:36] Alright, so we have a definition,
[40:37] multi-level parking facility,
[40:39] a specialized structure designed
[40:40] to house vehicles on multiple levels either
[40:42] above or below ground.
[40:45] And we changed a parking facility to a parking lot,
[40:48] which is a surface level parking.
[40:52] And where do we say you can have one and not the other?
[40:58] So in on page three you would have, instead of a parking
[41:03] facility, it would be multi-level parking facility.
[41:06] Alright, so we're not allowing surface parking lots only
[41:09] multi-level parking facilities.
[41:11] Yes. Yes. Okay. I think that's what we intended.
[41:14] That's what we intended. We,
[41:15] we didn't want somebody taking down any more buildings
[41:19] and putting in parking lot.
[41:20] We, this came up both on the sidewalk
[41:23] and during, I think it was workshop number three.
[41:25] Right. And we decided we don't want any more
[41:27] surface parking lots.
[41:28] But if somebody wants to
[41:31] put in a parking garage either ancillary
[41:34] to their building or if
[41:35] The abot court garage was compliant.
[41:36] Correct.
[41:38] So what we're trying to do is it's, it's, it's retail.
[41:43] I mean they charge, so it's whether it's ancillary
[41:46] to their commercial business or whatever,
[41:50] or they just want a pay parking
[41:52] garage that would be allowed.
[41:55] But tearing down buildings to put just
[41:58] a paved parking lot, you know.
[42:01] Okay. We, we don't want any more paving of paradise.
[42:04] Mr. Bel here I fully support
[42:08] and I like the splitting of the definition.
[42:10] I just wonder if we should include the last sentence from
[42:13] the definition of parking lot
[42:15] and also include that with the multi-level
[42:17] parking facility definition.
[42:19] It says such use shall be devoted to the parking
[42:22] of passenger cars and specifically
[42:24] exclude unregistered vehicles.
[42:27] Not sure it's necessarily intent,
[42:29] but just wanna make sure that someone's not gonna build a
[42:32] used car multi-level facility or something like that.
[42:37] I'm Okay with that. You mean like a carvana?
[42:39] Yeah, something like that. Would would,
[42:41] would we not want one of those in this area?
[42:44] I think we would call that retail.
[42:46] Yeah. Motor vehicle sales. I mean
[42:47] They're for sale, right? Yeah, yeah,
[42:48] Yeah.
[42:49] But I I see what you're, I see what you're saying.
[42:52] You don't want someone to,
[42:54] To Yeah.
[42:56] Yeah. I was, I was gonna say, so could
[42:59] Someone would maybe quickly pave
[43:02] a parking lot in order to put junk cars in it?
[43:04] 'cause it's not a big investment.
[43:06] I can't imagine anyone would go to the expense
[43:08] of building a parking garage to put junk cars in. Well,
[43:11] No, and I think what what, where we may
[43:16] get ourselves into trouble there is,
[43:18] so let's use the ABBA court.
[43:20] Part of the spaces in there are designated
[43:23] to the apartment building.
[43:25] So somebody has a classic car, whatever
[43:30] and for, they don't run it for a couple of years,
[43:33] they're paying for the parking space
[43:35] but they don't register it for a couple of years,
[43:38] but they're paying for that parking space.
[43:40] Are we now telling them you can't do that as soon
[43:42] as you know, you're going away to Europe
[43:46] or whatever for a while, the registration runs
[43:48] out before you get back.
[43:49] You've gotta get it out of there.
[43:51] I'm, we Couldn't
[43:52] Really put, I think that the cost structure of that kind
[43:55] of environment would be self-regulating.
[43:58] I think so. And I think we would be intruding on
[44:03] their rights.
[44:04] I mean they're paying for that space.
[44:08] I doubt somebody's gonna go in there
[44:10] and pay for 50 spaces to put used cars in there.
[44:15] So to your point, I believe it would be self-regulating.
[44:17] I just don't wanna get ourselves in trouble with,
[44:20] with the general public on, on something.
[44:22] You know, as small as that.
[44:25] Adding it to that, I agree with it on the, the
[44:28] surface level parking,
[44:30] But I really, I would hesitate
[44:33] to put it on the multilevel
[44:34] parking facility for those reasons.
[44:37] Alright. Any other things we, we wanna review or revisit?
[44:42] The only thing I would just ask if the board could indulge
[44:45] me and just review the wording of the purpose statement
[44:48] and make sure that it meets the intent
[44:50] of why we're doing these changes.
[44:52] Alright, so Which is right at the top of page,
[44:56] the first page of the draft.
[45:00] So the bottom of page one or the top of page one, one
[45:03] Top of page one purpose.
[45:06] Alright. So is that part of the ordinance?
[45:09] Generally, anytime that we do the zoning changes,
[45:12] we always, it's this one,
[45:13] especially when it goes to town council.
[45:15] We always have a thing says the purpose
[45:17] of these changes is, so
[45:18] This, this is not normative part of the ordinance.
[45:21] It's not part of the, this will be, this is a separate
[45:23] thing that goes with the legal notice and all that.
[45:26] And it identifies why we're making the changes.
[45:29] So I just wanna make sure that everyone is in agreement with
[45:32] that and, and it meets the intent of why we're doing
[45:34] This.
[45:35] All right. So the proposed changes recognize the changing
[45:37] landscape of Southern Hampshire.
[45:39] We are increased housing density, height of buildings
[45:41] and commercial market trends require some form of adaptation
[45:45] to create opportunity for economic growth
[45:48] and development in the Cory area
[45:50] of the downtown while maintaining the historical character
[45:53] of the central business district that changes
[45:56] recognize the smaller lot sizes
[45:57] and land use patterns that have emerged in the district.
[46:02] A question four, does that tie in with our master plan?
[46:05] It does. Yeah. I think it sounds good.
[46:10] Okay. I see nodding heads. Okay.
[46:13] Thank you. Okay. All right.
[46:17] So we we happy on on the
[46:22] CBD changes for now until we get to public hearing.
[46:26] So we'll have a first, well we could do a first
[46:30] reading under other business
[46:33] next meeting if you would like.
[46:36] Okay. And then if everything is okay, we can
[46:39] schedule a public hearing.
[46:41] Okay. Excellent. Okay. Alright.
[46:44] Finding my agenda.
[46:47] The next item is workshop number one for changes
[46:51] to the architectural design regulations, which
[46:54] were proposed by Mr.
[46:55] Pier. So let's,
[46:57] that's a separate document, so let's look at that.
[46:59] Oh, there, it's,
[47:04] and what, what staff has done is they've, they followed the,
[47:10] the numbering precedent we have set for,
[47:15] I think that one is West running Brook.
[47:20] District two is neighborhood commercial district
[47:22] and three becomes central business district.
[47:25] Right. Okay.
[47:27] So general, in addition
[47:32] to the requirements outlined above
[47:35] the following architectural design standards shall apply
[47:37] for all structures in the central business district
[47:41] B architectural element exceptions
[47:44] non habitable architectural features
[47:46] in a apartments including
[47:48] but not limited to clock towers, cupolas, steeples,
[47:51] bell towers and chimneys may exceed the maximum elevation
[47:55] established by up
[47:59] to 20 feet.
[48:01] Provided that such features do not collectively exceed
[48:05] 33% of the total gross roof area.
[48:11] One of the things I would suggest for
[48:14] legal cross-referencing is we could add in that
[48:19] sentence may exceed the maximum elevation limited
[48:23] established in section blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[48:27] Which is the, the zoning ordinance where it gives
[48:30] that number to include that outward reference there.
[48:35] Okay. And then in the zoning ordinance
[48:38] where we talk about a initial use permit, we're gonna point
[48:41] to section one 70 dash 86.3.
[48:47] So that pointers in either direction.
[48:51] C, performance and design standards for increased height to
[48:55] mitigate visual impact of building mass
[48:57] and preserve pedestrian scale.
[48:58] Any building or structure exceeding six stories
[49:01] or 65 feet in height
[49:03] as measured from the average finished grade at the street.
[49:05] Frontage shall comply with the following standards
[49:08] during site plan review, upper story setbacks,
[49:14] step setbacks, the exterior front wall
[49:17] of any story located at a height greater than 65 feet
[49:21] above the average finished grade shall be set back
[49:23] by a minimum of 10 feet from the primary
[49:26] exterior front wall of the lower stories.
[49:29] We, we see that a fair amount in, in current
[49:34] trendy architecture where, you know,
[49:37] you've got different roof lines,
[49:39] you've got different setbacks.
[49:40] The building is not just a box. Right.
[49:43] It's funny, a lot of your larger cities did that.
[49:46] They had a New York city had a, had a formula,
[49:51] the, you know, setback to the hyper of the base
[49:54] of the structure across the street, blah, blah blah.
[49:57] Then they did away with it in the seventies, they put
[50:00] that in, in the thirties
[50:01] they did away with it in the seventies.
[50:03] Now they've gone back to it again.
[50:05] So that you don't have these, not that we're gonna get any
[50:08] that big, but you don't have these giant boxes.
[50:11] I agree with it. I think, I think it adds, adds to the,
[50:16] So number two, no interrupted length
[50:19] of any facade shall exceed 150 horizontal feet facades
[50:24] exceeding one 50 feet in length shall incorporate wall
[50:27] playing projections
[50:29] or recesses having a minimum depth of three feet
[50:33] to reduce perceived building mass.
[50:38] Just as a scr thing.
[50:42] The first word facade in that
[50:47] sentence has the fancy French little descender
[50:49] on the sea and the second one doesn't.
[50:50] Oh. The seed
[50:57] free building designs shall incorporate varied roof lines
[50:59] utilizing peaches such as gables, hip roofs, stormers
[51:03] or decorative parapets
[51:04] to prevent continuous monotonous roof planes.
[51:08] And for rooftop mechanical screening.
[51:11] All rooftop mechanical equipment including
[51:13] but not limited to HVAC units, elevator overruns,
[51:16] ventilation systems shall be fully screened from public view
[51:21] from adjacent street level and abutting properties.
[51:24] I would add to that list of, of not limited to
[51:28] solar panels having just recently gone there.
[51:34] Right. And then it's a screening show,
[51:38] be architecturally compatible with a primary structure
[51:41] and may utilize parapet walls
[51:43] or enclosed architectural features.
[51:45] So all of that sounds, sounds very good to me.
[51:49] And a couple suggestions for including
[51:52] explicitly including solar panel farms
[51:54] and maybe the front forward
[51:56] and backwards section references.
[51:59] Okay. Make it easy for people to figure out where the, the
[52:03] do moving moving pieces are.
[52:05] I think sounds good to me. Do we need to, any comments,
[52:08] Questions?
[52:09] Would you have a height on the solar panels? Huh?
[52:11] Because would you have a height on the solar panels?
[52:15] No, I'm just saying you, you screen 'em because
[52:17] Some of 'em that's on the side, they can be up 20,
[52:20] 30 feet high in, in inside one's yard.
[52:26] Well this is in the CBD,
[52:27] so I don't think it's gonna be someone's yard, but, okay.
[52:30] Okay. Anyone have thoughts
[52:34] on deletions?
[52:36] Additions proven. Oh, those all sound good to me.
[52:40] Sounds good to everyone.
[52:43] Do we need conditional use criteria
[52:48] Or Is it just gonna be a way
[52:49] Of i I Well the intent is that
[52:54] the criteria is in
[53:01] 1 70, 86 0.3
[53:05] B, the exceptions.
[53:09] So I mean, you could even get more specific and, and
[53:12] and reference paragraph B there for the, the
[53:17] conditions that have to be found.
[53:19] Okay. True for, to grant the conditional use permit. Okay.
[53:25] That works. Mr. Moey, do you have a question?
[53:27] Yeah, so for the rooftop thing,
[53:29] I know it says mechanical screening, do we have
[53:30] to be worried about any sort
[53:31] of light fixtures at the top of there?
[53:34] So if they had to work on any of this stuff, would we,
[53:36] would we be any concerns
[53:38] of any lighting things up there? Just throwing it out
[53:44] There.
[53:45] I don't remember seeing any plans that came to us
[53:49] with lighting fixtures for maintenance work.
[53:53] Okay. Just, just a thought.
[53:54] And if there were, I mean it would only be used
[53:56] during maintenance, so Yeah.
[53:58] You can use God as an example.
[54:00] I mean if you have a a, a roof deck on which you're parking,
[54:03] you're probably gonna have lighting up there.
[54:05] But in this case we ended up for Vidor, we ended up covering
[54:10] that over with the solar structure.
[54:12] Just a thought. Yeah.
[54:17] I mean I think there's other portions of the
[54:21] LDCR that deal with photometrics and light spell, so Okay.
[54:27] Probably gonna be covered even if someone wants to do that.
[54:29] That was my only thought. Anyone else?
[54:35] Okay, so that was just a couple of minor,
[54:38] almost editorial things.
[54:40] Okay. And then we're done with that one. Right.
[54:44] It feels good to be done. Nail bites. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
[54:48] And then so now we're onto board member comments.
[54:54] Mr. Chase, Mr.
[54:56] Vy is taking a seat on the Southern
[54:58] New Hampshire Planning Commission as
[55:00] A full member.
[55:01] Oh, nice. And,
[55:05] and congratulations are, are due to Brian Fishman
[55:10] and his family because he has a new son.
[55:13] Excellent. Oh, that's good.
[55:18] Mr. Chase. If I may,
[55:21] I was a little discouraged yesterday.
[55:24] I I had the privilege.
[55:25] I saw Town Council appointed me as a member
[55:28] and then today I received my first email from the Southern
[55:30] New Hampshire Planning Commission
[55:32] that this next meeting was canceled. And the executive,
[55:36] The executive Director is retiring.
[55:39] So I'm putting on a brave face today.
[55:40] I'm sure, I'm sure they were not
[55:41] related. I'm putting on a brave
[55:43] Face, but it's hard to not read between the lines.
[55:48] Oh yeah. Yeah. Nate will do a nice job. Yeah.
[55:51] So everyone, I we do have fun here. We do. Yeah.
[55:56] Any other board member comments?
[55:58] Thank you for yesterday. Very informative.
[56:01] Class six wrote
[56:02] and so thank you to you Elizabeth,
[56:05] for sending me to that workshop yesterday.
[56:07] You know what, what I loved was Caroline.
[56:10] Caroline, thank you Caroline for sending me that
[56:11] Workshop.
[56:12] So the attorney was giving the class not only really
[56:15] knew the term discontinued subject to gates and bars.
[56:18] 'cause I've gotten queer eyes from people
[56:20] on the board when I use that term.
[56:22] But she knew the historical agricultural origin of it
[56:25] and I was very impressed.
[56:27] Yes. Both attorneys. Was it Christine?
[56:29] Both attorneys were very impressive yesterday. Yeah.
[56:32] That was, that was a, that was a very informative workshop
[56:34] yesterday, so thank you.
[56:36] Good. Yeah. That's gonna be recorded, isn't it?
[56:42] It will be good. I gotta
[56:43] It be, I gotta watch that.
[56:44] I wanted to watch that one, but I was unable to. Yes.
[56:46] It's worth your time Mr. Chase. Yes. To watch that.
[56:48] I they were, as a matter of fact, yes,
[56:50] they were recording it.
[56:51] 'cause we took a lunch break and they turned off the
[56:53] recordings and stuff and they did say yeah.
[56:55] Able to go back online later. You can rewatch it again.
[56:58] Yeah. It's, you get access to it.
[57:00] Yeah. Good. Okay. Any other comments?
[57:04] If not, somebody like to make a motion to adjourn.
[57:08] So moved. Move Mr. Chair. Second.
[57:10] Moved by second by Melanie to adjourn.
[57:13] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Move. Stand. Adjourned.