1 00:00:03,835 --> 00:00:06,285 Welcome to the Town of Dairy Planning Board meeting 2 00:00:06,425 --> 00:00:09,005 for July 8th, 2026. 3 00:00:09,185 --> 00:00:12,005 We start our meetings with Pledge of Allegiance. 4 00:00:12,005 --> 00:00:13,725 If you're able, please rise and join me. 5 00:00:17,325 --> 00:00:19,245 I pledge allegiance to flag 6 00:00:19,825 --> 00:00:22,805 of the United States of America to the Republic 7 00:00:23,025 --> 00:00:27,285 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, 8 00:00:27,395 --> 00:00:29,605 with liberty and justice for all. 9 00:00:36,245 --> 00:00:39,515 Since we have folks in the audience, I will remind you 10 00:00:39,515 --> 00:00:42,875 of the emergency exits, which is at the rear of the room. 11 00:00:42,895 --> 00:00:45,715 The way you came in, if there's an alarm activation, 12 00:00:45,815 --> 00:00:48,875 the exit to my right, to your left at the front 13 00:00:48,875 --> 00:00:50,115 of the room will also be usable. 14 00:00:50,115 --> 00:00:51,795 However, the elevators will not be. 15 00:00:51,795 --> 00:00:55,835 If you need assistance with the mobility issues, please wait 16 00:00:55,855 --> 00:00:58,675 for the first responders to come to your assistance. 17 00:01:02,135 --> 00:01:04,955 We continue to voluntarily allow 18 00:01:05,535 --> 00:01:07,275 remote participation in our meetings. 19 00:01:07,855 --> 00:01:09,955 If any member of the board is remote, 20 00:01:09,955 --> 00:01:11,595 then all votes shall be by roll call. 21 00:01:12,255 --> 00:01:15,915 To attend the meeting remotely using a computer 22 00:01:15,975 --> 00:01:20,555 or a smartphone, visit www dot zoom us. 23 00:01:21,525 --> 00:01:26,075 Enter meeting ID seven five four six six three nine one two. 24 00:01:26,735 --> 00:01:29,515 You may also call in by phone for audio only 25 00:01:30,135 --> 00:01:30,475 by calling 26 00:01:30,695 --> 00:01:35,155 6 4 6 5 5 8 8 6 5 6. 27 00:01:35,465 --> 00:01:36,395 Same meeting ID 28 00:01:36,925 --> 00:01:40,915 7 5 4 6 6 3 9 1 2. 29 00:01:41,815 --> 00:01:43,795 If you have technical problems getting into the meeting, 30 00:01:43,975 --> 00:01:44,675 please call 31 00:01:44,675 --> 00:01:49,395 (603) 845-5585. 32 00:01:50,175 --> 00:01:52,395 If you're on the phone, you wanna speak, 33 00:01:53,455 --> 00:01:54,755 hit star nine to raise your hand. 34 00:01:54,755 --> 00:01:56,155 And once you are recognized 35 00:01:56,575 --> 00:01:59,955 and instructed to do so, hit star six to unmute yourself. 36 00:02:01,355 --> 00:02:03,515 I will now introduce the members 37 00:02:03,575 --> 00:02:05,315 and staff who are present this evening 38 00:02:06,055 --> 00:02:10,555 to my far right is our newly appointed alternate. 39 00:02:10,555 --> 00:02:14,035 Mr. Young, welcome. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. 40 00:02:14,145 --> 00:02:18,875 Hope you'll have fun with us. So alternate, Mr. 41 00:02:19,195 --> 00:02:21,795 Ey. Good evening, Mr. Chair. Planning and director of Ms. 42 00:02:22,015 --> 00:02:25,275 Du. Good evening planning in intern Ms. Burl. 43 00:02:25,385 --> 00:02:27,715 Good evening and our planning clerk, Ms. Wilson. 44 00:02:28,025 --> 00:02:29,475 Good evening town. 45 00:02:29,645 --> 00:02:33,435 Administra Town Council Liaison, Mr. Chase. 46 00:02:33,585 --> 00:02:38,115 Good evening, member Mr. Menini. Mr. Wood member Mr. 47 00:02:38,175 --> 00:02:41,715 Menini, vice Chairman. Mr. O'Connor, welcome. 48 00:02:42,095 --> 00:02:46,115 Way over to the far left is our dairy CAM coordinator. Mr. 49 00:02:46,855 --> 00:02:51,035 Provin, our Deputy Director of Public Works. Mr. LaRue. 50 00:02:51,035 --> 00:02:53,515 Good evening Member. Mr. Fishman. 51 00:02:53,515 --> 00:02:56,955 Good evening town Administrators representative Mr. Ello. 52 00:02:57,065 --> 00:03:00,325 Good evening member Mr. Pier. Good evening Secretary. Mr. 53 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:02,765 Maby. Hello, I'm Dave Nelson. I'm the chair. 54 00:03:07,055 --> 00:03:10,845 First item of of business is a couple of matters of escrow. 55 00:03:10,845 --> 00:03:14,765 We have item number 26 dash 22 4 66, 56 00:03:15,465 --> 00:03:20,045 or excuse, excuse me, 62 Lane Road McMaster Development. 57 00:03:20,555 --> 00:03:23,325 Okay. This is for a two lot subdivision. 58 00:03:23,425 --> 00:03:25,805 The developer is McMaster Development. 59 00:03:26,315 --> 00:03:27,605 This is a cash escrow. 60 00:03:27,605 --> 00:03:31,405 Parcel ID is 0 6 0 5 9 62 Lane Road. 61 00:03:31,825 --> 00:03:34,805 The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount 62 00:03:34,825 --> 00:03:39,605 of $13,193 38 cents for the above noted project, 63 00:03:40,075 --> 00:03:42,205 this escrow will be non-interest bearing. 64 00:03:43,475 --> 00:03:45,605 Okay, Mr. Chair, I shall move. 65 00:03:45,865 --> 00:03:48,485 Second, Been moved by O'Connor, seconded by MAL 66 00:03:48,585 --> 00:03:51,085 to accept the escrow is presented. 67 00:03:51,145 --> 00:03:55,005 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. 68 00:03:55,145 --> 00:03:58,725 Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Chair Cello. Yes. 69 00:03:58,785 --> 00:04:01,925 Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes. 70 00:04:03,675 --> 00:04:05,805 Next item is number 71 00:04:06,705 --> 00:04:09,685 22 dash 23 for 18. 72 00:04:09,685 --> 00:04:12,085 Crystal Avenue Oracle Development. 73 00:04:12,915 --> 00:04:14,925 Okay. This is for the redevelopment 74 00:04:14,925 --> 00:04:16,725 of the former Rite Aid on Crystal Avenue. 75 00:04:17,265 --> 00:04:20,085 The developer is Oracle Construction and Development. 76 00:04:20,185 --> 00:04:21,645 It is also a cash escrow. 77 00:04:21,945 --> 00:04:24,205 Parcel id and location is parcel 78 00:04:24,215 --> 00:04:26,925 3 0 0 9 6 18 Crystal Avenue. 79 00:04:27,545 --> 00:04:30,325 The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount 80 00:04:30,325 --> 00:04:34,845 of $10,559 88 cents for the above noted project. 81 00:04:35,475 --> 00:04:37,645 This escrow will be non-interest bearing. 82 00:04:38,785 --> 00:04:42,125 And Mr. Cha, nobody rise. I'll move to accept. 83 00:04:42,465 --> 00:04:43,845 Second. Moved 84 00:04:43,945 --> 00:04:45,885 By O'Connor, seconded by Mby 85 00:04:45,885 --> 00:04:48,085 to accept the escrow as presented. 86 00:04:48,225 --> 00:04:51,965 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Manini? Yes. 87 00:04:52,065 --> 00:04:55,885 Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Chair. Cello. Yes. 88 00:04:56,375 --> 00:04:59,405 Heier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes. 89 00:05:00,905 --> 00:05:03,325 Now we move on to approval of minutes. 90 00:05:03,345 --> 00:05:06,565 We have before us the minutes of June 17th, 2026. 91 00:05:06,625 --> 00:05:08,325 Has everyone had a chance to review those? 92 00:05:08,785 --> 00:05:10,885 Are there any errors or omissions? 93 00:05:12,415 --> 00:05:13,605 Again, Mr. Chair? Nobody. 94 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:17,525 Moving forward, I move to accept the minutes as written. 95 00:05:17,785 --> 00:05:20,525 Second, Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malam 96 00:05:20,545 --> 00:05:23,525 to accept the minutes of June 17th, 2026 as written. 97 00:05:24,265 --> 00:05:28,005 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Veni? Yes. Mr. Menini? 98 00:05:28,065 --> 00:05:30,845 Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman abstain. 99 00:05:30,925 --> 00:05:34,725 I was not present. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Pier? 100 00:05:34,785 --> 00:05:36,165 Yes. Mr. Libby. 101 00:05:36,525 --> 00:05:38,325 I will also abstain as I was not here. 102 00:05:38,545 --> 00:05:42,965 And the chair votes Yes. Correspondence. 103 00:05:44,005 --> 00:05:45,245 Thank you Mr. Chair. Yep. 104 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,445 We have two pieces of correspondence today. 105 00:05:47,905 --> 00:05:50,925 The first is the, in your packet is the quarterly 106 00:05:50,925 --> 00:05:52,085 change of use update. 107 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:54,485 These are businesses in dairy, which have, 108 00:05:55,025 --> 00:05:56,765 as the name suggests, changing their use. 109 00:05:56,785 --> 00:05:58,085 And we're happy to say we're, 110 00:05:58,085 --> 00:06:00,405 we're welcoming five new businesses into the town. 111 00:06:02,345 --> 00:06:03,845 And we also have the latest 112 00:06:03,985 --> 00:06:07,365 and greatest issue of New Hampshire Town and City here. 113 00:06:07,785 --> 00:06:09,125 We had received our online package, 114 00:06:09,125 --> 00:06:10,965 just a notification that it was coming. 115 00:06:11,835 --> 00:06:15,125 This article features some information on cybersecurity 116 00:06:15,125 --> 00:06:17,325 updates and property tax abatements. 117 00:06:17,345 --> 00:06:19,285 So if that's your thing, this is the issue you want. 118 00:06:20,925 --> 00:06:22,885 And so the, the real hard copy 119 00:06:22,985 --> 00:06:24,605 can be found in the planning office. It 120 00:06:24,605 --> 00:06:25,605 May. 121 00:06:26,065 --> 00:06:27,845 I'm glad we get one. Thank 122 00:06:27,845 --> 00:06:28,965 you, Caroline. For a while there we weren't right? 123 00:06:29,265 --> 00:06:32,725 No, we weren't. Oh, Okay. Glad that's fixed. 124 00:06:34,705 --> 00:06:36,445 Do we have any other business? 125 00:06:37,335 --> 00:06:41,845 Looks like we do not planning director and chairman updates. 126 00:06:42,395 --> 00:06:44,485 Okay, so we're on summer schedule. 127 00:06:44,625 --> 00:06:46,685 So our next meeting is August 5th. 128 00:06:46,785 --> 00:06:48,165 And then following that, we'll go back 129 00:06:48,165 --> 00:06:50,005 to our two meetings a month. 130 00:06:51,645 --> 00:06:53,725 I did want to remind everyone 131 00:06:53,725 --> 00:06:57,725 that the housing needs survey is up 132 00:06:58,065 --> 00:07:02,005 and it's still available until July 12th. 133 00:07:02,355 --> 00:07:04,045 They extended the date a little bit. 134 00:07:04,725 --> 00:07:06,525 We've got it posted on the town website. 135 00:07:08,275 --> 00:07:09,925 It's on all of our social medias. 136 00:07:09,925 --> 00:07:13,325 So please feel free to go find that, hit the QR code 137 00:07:13,505 --> 00:07:15,045 and fill out the survey. 138 00:07:15,185 --> 00:07:17,485 It takes about maybe eight to 10 minutes 139 00:07:17,785 --> 00:07:20,765 and we really do wanna hear from all demo, 140 00:07:21,185 --> 00:07:23,605 all age demographics, what you're looking 141 00:07:23,665 --> 00:07:25,005 for for types of housing. 142 00:07:26,565 --> 00:07:31,085 Additionally, if the board would like, if, 143 00:07:31,145 --> 00:07:33,605 if you could let me know your pleasure, either September 144 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:38,125 or October, we could ask Sylvia Vanek to come in 145 00:07:38,345 --> 00:07:41,325 and do that plan training, like how to read a plan. 146 00:07:41,815 --> 00:07:43,525 She's happy to do that for us. 147 00:07:43,525 --> 00:07:44,845 We just need to give her some dates. 148 00:07:45,665 --> 00:07:47,965 So, yeah, I, I I really recommend that I, 149 00:07:48,045 --> 00:07:51,445 I I took it up at their headquarters in Concord 150 00:07:51,445 --> 00:07:54,085 and I nicknamed it coloring with plans. 151 00:07:55,435 --> 00:07:56,725 It's a lot of fun. It is. 152 00:07:56,725 --> 00:08:00,085 And it's very eye-opening in terms of how to 153 00:08:00,925 --> 00:08:03,405 organize all the different features on a, 154 00:08:03,525 --> 00:08:04,565 a technical plan set. 155 00:08:04,565 --> 00:08:06,445 So I would recommend that. Okay. 156 00:08:06,625 --> 00:08:07,885 If we have some dates available, 157 00:08:08,625 --> 00:08:10,485 So whatever it, we would do it 158 00:08:10,485 --> 00:08:12,685 during a planning board meeting, so when, 159 00:08:13,045 --> 00:08:15,405 whatever would suit your, your needs or pleasure. 160 00:08:16,675 --> 00:08:18,205 Okay. If we have a light agenda Yeah, 161 00:08:18,205 --> 00:08:19,325 we can do that. Okay. 162 00:08:19,325 --> 00:08:21,885 Alright. Anything else? 163 00:08:22,665 --> 00:08:25,445 Not for me, no. So I don't have anything 164 00:08:25,645 --> 00:08:28,325 'cause we currently have a, a full roster 165 00:08:28,505 --> 00:08:30,525 of members and alternates. 166 00:08:30,665 --> 00:08:33,285 Yay. Thank you for signing up. 167 00:08:34,065 --> 00:08:37,285 And we'll move on to our public hearings. 168 00:08:38,095 --> 00:08:41,485 First is Brian and Laura Real estate, LLC 169 00:08:42,385 --> 00:08:46,525 Parcel ID 3 5 0 1 4 dash 170 00:08:46,635 --> 00:08:48,725 0 0 5 20 Folsom Road. 171 00:08:50,035 --> 00:08:53,405 Okay. The applicants have operated the existing car wash 172 00:08:53,405 --> 00:08:55,325 known as royalty for almost 30 years. 173 00:08:55,745 --> 00:08:58,165 The use has been in existence since the, I think, 174 00:08:58,165 --> 00:08:59,845 the seventies in predate zoning. 175 00:09:00,545 --> 00:09:03,405 The widening of Folsom Road associated with the exit four. 176 00:09:03,485 --> 00:09:06,365 A project reduced the property's existing front setback 177 00:09:06,425 --> 00:09:07,885 by approximately 30 feet. 178 00:09:08,585 --> 00:09:12,965 In 2024. The applicant acquired a prior about 530 square 179 00:09:13,275 --> 00:09:16,005 feet from the adjacent former Salvation Army lot 180 00:09:16,005 --> 00:09:18,005 through coordination with New Hampshire DOT. 181 00:09:18,465 --> 00:09:20,525 And that area is reflected on this plan. 182 00:09:21,305 --> 00:09:24,005 The state of New Hampshire installed a gravel service road 183 00:09:24,025 --> 00:09:26,845 to the southwest side of the property in this area will be 184 00:09:26,845 --> 00:09:29,005 used as the major point of egress for the site 185 00:09:29,555 --> 00:09:31,765 that this necessitates the relocation 186 00:09:31,965 --> 00:09:33,365 of the existing vacuums. 187 00:09:33,715 --> 00:09:34,885 Neither highway safety 188 00:09:35,025 --> 00:09:36,685 nor Conservation Commission review 189 00:09:36,685 --> 00:09:37,965 were required for this project. 190 00:09:39,065 --> 00:09:41,685 The applicants obtained a variance from the fire marshal 191 00:09:41,685 --> 00:09:44,525 to move the propane filling tank to its existing location. 192 00:09:45,185 --> 00:09:47,405 The three tunnel bays will remain in one 193 00:09:47,405 --> 00:09:50,045 of the two existing detail bays will be removed. 194 00:09:50,905 --> 00:09:52,365 The detail bay will be managed 195 00:09:52,365 --> 00:09:54,005 and operated by royalty staff. 196 00:09:54,595 --> 00:09:56,245 Vending machines will move adjacent 197 00:09:56,345 --> 00:09:59,725 to the discontinued detail bay in the eight vacuums will 198 00:09:59,725 --> 00:10:01,525 move against the wall of the existing building. 199 00:10:02,145 --> 00:10:04,125 The sign for the business has already been moved 200 00:10:04,385 --> 00:10:06,565 and the dumpster and shed are proposed to be moved 201 00:10:06,565 --> 00:10:09,725 to new locations that are outside the traffic flow areas. 202 00:10:10,745 --> 00:10:12,885 Access to the site is from Folsom Road 203 00:10:12,885 --> 00:10:15,525 through an 83 foot wide existing curb cut. 204 00:10:15,995 --> 00:10:19,005 Most trips generated by the site are expected to be passed 205 00:10:19,025 --> 00:10:21,765 by trips and are therefore not anticipated to significantly 206 00:10:22,405 --> 00:10:23,845 increase traffic volumes in the corridor. 207 00:10:24,645 --> 00:10:26,965 Vehicles will enter the site from Folsom 208 00:10:27,025 --> 00:10:30,205 and circulate to the rear of the site into the Wash Bays. 209 00:10:31,165 --> 00:10:32,845 Customers utilizing the propane tank 210 00:10:32,905 --> 00:10:35,885 or the vacuums will turn left to those service areas 211 00:10:36,545 --> 00:10:38,685 and customers at those locations will exit 212 00:10:38,705 --> 00:10:39,725 via the service road. 213 00:10:41,085 --> 00:10:43,285 Customers who just utilize the wash bays will exit 214 00:10:43,285 --> 00:10:45,205 to Folsom via the right only exit. 215 00:10:45,745 --> 00:10:48,245 The median does not permit a left turn out 216 00:10:48,245 --> 00:10:49,525 of the site from this location. 217 00:10:50,585 --> 00:10:52,645 It appears there's adequate parking on site 218 00:10:52,645 --> 00:10:53,845 for staff and customers. 219 00:10:54,895 --> 00:10:57,805 Dairy regulations do not include a parking calculation 220 00:10:57,825 --> 00:10:58,845 for a car wash use. 221 00:10:58,845 --> 00:11:00,485 So the board will meet. Need to make a finding 222 00:11:00,505 --> 00:11:01,925 of fact with regard to parking. 223 00:11:03,055 --> 00:11:05,925 Stormwater needs were addressed in a drainage report is 224 00:11:06,125 --> 00:11:07,125 included in the application. 225 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:11,925 The existing driveway opening interrupts the public 226 00:11:12,405 --> 00:11:14,125 sidewalk, which is proposed as part 227 00:11:14,125 --> 00:11:15,365 of the highway construction. 228 00:11:15,825 --> 00:11:18,365 The driveway is intended to accommodate one lane in 229 00:11:18,365 --> 00:11:20,405 and one lane out for the car wash operations. 230 00:11:21,065 --> 00:11:23,005 The town is requesting the installation 231 00:11:23,025 --> 00:11:26,125 of a raised median island within the existing curb 232 00:11:26,185 --> 00:11:27,685 to establish separate entrance 233 00:11:27,705 --> 00:11:31,125 and exit lanes would be 27 feet on the side closest 234 00:11:31,225 --> 00:11:34,365 to the PD and 24 feet to the side closest 235 00:11:34,465 --> 00:11:35,525 to the propane tank. 236 00:11:36,145 --> 00:11:38,485 The intent is to accommodate pedestrian movements 237 00:11:38,485 --> 00:11:40,285 and comply with a DA requirements 238 00:11:40,905 --> 00:11:43,565 in 83 foot uninterrupted driveway opening 239 00:11:44,085 --> 00:11:47,005 increases pedestrian risk when pedestrians are required 240 00:11:47,005 --> 00:11:50,325 to cross a large undefined and unprotected vehicular area. 241 00:11:52,185 --> 00:11:54,045 The proposed median narrows 242 00:11:54,045 --> 00:11:56,805 and defines the pedestrian crossing location while reducing 243 00:11:57,205 --> 00:11:59,285 conflict zones between pedestrians and vehicles. 244 00:12:00,105 --> 00:12:02,245 The proposed configuration is consistent 245 00:12:02,245 --> 00:12:04,485 with accepted access management principles 246 00:12:04,505 --> 00:12:06,965 and presents a safer and more efficient access arrangement 247 00:12:06,965 --> 00:12:08,845 than the existing UNCHANNELED curb cut. 248 00:12:09,625 --> 00:12:12,365 The state of New Hampshire currently owns the right of way 249 00:12:12,365 --> 00:12:13,885 where the pedestrian refer 250 00:12:14,395 --> 00:12:16,085 offsite improvements are proposed. 251 00:12:16,665 --> 00:12:19,245 The land will not revert back to the town of Derry 252 00:12:19,255 --> 00:12:21,885 until the completion of the current phase of construction. 253 00:12:22,705 --> 00:12:25,325 The offsite improvements are recommended by the directive 254 00:12:25,325 --> 00:12:27,285 of public works in the engineering coordinator. 255 00:12:27,935 --> 00:12:31,325 Staff has requested authorization from DOT 256 00:12:31,345 --> 00:12:34,525 to construct the pro proposed pedestrian refuge island 257 00:12:34,525 --> 00:12:36,885 within the state right of way prior to completion 258 00:12:37,065 --> 00:12:38,445 of the exit four A project. 259 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:42,805 At this time, I don't believe we had a response from DOT on 260 00:12:42,805 --> 00:12:44,765 that We do. 261 00:12:44,995 --> 00:12:47,085 Okay. And I'll let Jordan speak to that. 262 00:12:48,025 --> 00:12:51,245 In interim solution would be to stripe a gore area 263 00:12:51,305 --> 00:12:54,165 of diagonal striping, creating a visual barrier 264 00:12:54,165 --> 00:12:56,125 between the entrance and the exit lanes. 265 00:12:57,075 --> 00:12:58,565 There's an example of that. 266 00:12:58,565 --> 00:13:00,285 That's the handout that was just 267 00:13:00,565 --> 00:13:01,805 provided to you right before the meeting. 268 00:13:02,405 --> 00:13:05,365 There's also a smaller copy on page four of your packet. 269 00:13:07,245 --> 00:13:08,605 This would need to be striped 270 00:13:08,605 --> 00:13:10,485 with thermoplastic paint for durability. 271 00:13:10,585 --> 00:13:12,605 And we do understand that this would be an ongoing 272 00:13:12,605 --> 00:13:14,485 maintenance in item for the landowner. 273 00:13:15,335 --> 00:13:17,725 Staff also noted potential vehicle 274 00:13:17,865 --> 00:13:20,925 and pedestrian conflicts near the relocated vacuum stations 275 00:13:20,945 --> 00:13:22,205 and propane and filling area 276 00:13:22,205 --> 00:13:23,765 where maneuvering spaces limited. 277 00:13:24,655 --> 00:13:27,005 These areas should be carefully evaluated 278 00:13:27,005 --> 00:13:28,205 to minimize conflicts 279 00:13:28,205 --> 00:13:30,485 between circulating vehicles and pedestrians. 280 00:13:30,795 --> 00:13:33,125 Several waivers are being requested as part 281 00:13:33,125 --> 00:13:34,125 of the checklist items. 282 00:13:35,195 --> 00:13:38,965 This is an existing site containing existing nonconformities 283 00:13:38,965 --> 00:13:40,285 and the waivers are being presented 284 00:13:40,285 --> 00:13:42,845 to bring the site into conformity as much as possible. 285 00:13:43,845 --> 00:13:47,245 We do recognize that, you know, it is what it is 286 00:13:47,545 --> 00:13:50,645 and you know they're doing the best they can with 287 00:13:50,675 --> 00:13:52,045 what they have to work with here. 288 00:13:53,065 --> 00:13:54,285 So the waivers would be 289 00:13:54,385 --> 00:13:57,165 to allow parking spaces closer than 10 feet 290 00:13:57,165 --> 00:14:00,325 to the property line to allow the parking spaces 291 00:14:00,385 --> 00:14:01,685 to be less than nine by 20. 292 00:14:02,295 --> 00:14:05,765 Allow a one-way drive aisle to be less than 18 feet wide. 293 00:14:06,345 --> 00:14:10,125 To not require a landscape plan to allow the screen dumpster 294 00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:12,645 to be closer than 25 feet to the property line. 295 00:14:12,705 --> 00:14:15,485 And to allow the one-way drive aisles to the Wash Bays 296 00:14:15,665 --> 00:14:17,245 to be less than 11 feet wide. 297 00:14:17,665 --> 00:14:20,765 The recommendation would be to review the plan as presented, 298 00:14:20,795 --> 00:14:22,405 determine regional impact 299 00:14:23,145 --> 00:14:25,805 and to discuss the proposed offsite improvements 300 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:29,405 and determine if the pedestrian refuge island is the best 301 00:14:29,725 --> 00:14:32,245 solution for the site or to go with the alternative. 302 00:14:33,225 --> 00:14:35,485 So Jordan Young is here to Ms. 303 00:14:35,485 --> 00:14:39,085 Roberto. Yep. That's a fairly detail 304 00:14:39,145 --> 00:14:41,565 and extensive set of comments. 305 00:14:41,975 --> 00:14:45,005 These are the sort of things I would expect 306 00:14:45,005 --> 00:14:47,725 to have been resolved during TRC discussions. 307 00:14:47,795 --> 00:14:50,765 Were they, were they discussed and and not resolved? 308 00:14:50,825 --> 00:14:53,565 Or are they occurring after that 309 00:14:54,015 --> 00:14:55,015 Completion? 310 00:14:55,015 --> 00:14:56,925 The, the offsite improvement issue came up 311 00:14:56,925 --> 00:14:58,485 during TRC discussions. 312 00:14:59,225 --> 00:15:01,405 The issue that we're running into, and, and Mark 313 00:15:01,405 --> 00:15:03,885 and Jordan can speak to this maybe a little bit better than 314 00:15:03,925 --> 00:15:07,285 I can, but the issue we're running into is that may be 315 00:15:07,945 --> 00:15:12,445 the safest thing to do, but we don't own that. 316 00:15:13,105 --> 00:15:16,245 The, the property owner doesn't own that section. 317 00:15:16,385 --> 00:15:17,845 The state owns it right now. 318 00:15:19,085 --> 00:15:23,205 Hmm. So until it reverts back to the te like we, 319 00:15:23,205 --> 00:15:27,805 we can recommend, but we, we can recommend. 320 00:15:29,785 --> 00:15:31,405 So this is another one of those issues 321 00:15:31,405 --> 00:15:34,845 where the state moves as its own speed with respect 322 00:15:34,845 --> 00:15:36,485 to the four A Yes project. 323 00:15:36,625 --> 00:15:38,765 And some of those things are still up in the air. Is that, 324 00:15:38,955 --> 00:15:40,045 That is, that is correct. 325 00:15:40,115 --> 00:15:42,085 Okay. So we're, we're trying to present what we think is, 326 00:15:42,185 --> 00:15:44,685 is option A. 327 00:15:44,755 --> 00:15:46,165 This is like probably the best thing 328 00:15:46,185 --> 00:15:47,845 and you know, in a, in a perfect world, 329 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:50,165 this would be the best solution for everything. 330 00:15:50,585 --> 00:15:52,965 Option B is, we're working with what we got 331 00:15:52,965 --> 00:15:54,805 and we're trying to make it as safe as possible. 332 00:15:54,905 --> 00:15:56,445 So that might be the best solution. 333 00:15:56,445 --> 00:15:58,605 But once again, I'll, I'll let Mark speak to that. 334 00:15:59,395 --> 00:16:00,925 Alright. So we'll probably have to have a little 335 00:16:01,495 --> 00:16:02,725 extra discussion on, on that. 336 00:16:02,845 --> 00:16:07,525 'cause it's pick one from A or B or C. Yes. Alright. 337 00:16:09,345 --> 00:16:12,005 So at this point can I have a motion on jurisdiction? 338 00:16:12,985 --> 00:16:14,845 Mr. Chair? I move to accept jurisdiction 339 00:16:14,905 --> 00:16:18,485 of the amended site plan before the board for Brian 340 00:16:18,665 --> 00:16:22,245 and Laura real estate L-L-C-P-I-D 341 00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:27,205 3 5 0 4 0 5 20 342 00:16:27,505 --> 00:16:28,845 Folsom Road. Second 343 00:16:29,455 --> 00:16:31,605 Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malam 344 00:16:31,605 --> 00:16:33,565 to accept jurisdiction. Mr. Chase? 345 00:16:34,265 --> 00:16:37,485 Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. 346 00:16:37,505 --> 00:16:41,965 Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. O? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Malvin? 347 00:16:42,105 --> 00:16:43,245 Yes. And chair votes? Yes. 348 00:16:44,385 --> 00:16:47,285 And on the determination of a regional impact, 349 00:16:47,285 --> 00:16:49,765 we usually defer to Mr. Chase on this one. 350 00:16:52,295 --> 00:16:53,365 Wanna make a motion? Randy? 351 00:16:55,125 --> 00:16:56,725 Regional Impact. Regional Impact. Regional Impact. I 352 00:16:56,725 --> 00:16:57,845 Know Regional Impact. Usually you're 353 00:16:57,845 --> 00:16:58,845 The Mr. 354 00:16:58,845 --> 00:17:00,885 Regional impact guy on the board. Middle name. 355 00:17:01,785 --> 00:17:05,925 So pursuant to RSA 36 5 6, 356 00:17:05,985 --> 00:17:07,205 the board finds the proposal 357 00:17:07,305 --> 00:17:09,245 as presented at this time meets the definition 358 00:17:09,245 --> 00:17:11,165 of a development of regional impact. 359 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:12,725 Second. Okay. 360 00:17:12,725 --> 00:17:15,245 It's moved by Chase, seconded by Malam to 361 00:17:15,765 --> 00:17:17,245 determine regional impact. 362 00:17:17,345 --> 00:17:18,345 Mr. Chase? 363 00:17:19,425 --> 00:17:23,005 No, this is a existing use 364 00:17:23,035 --> 00:17:27,325 that is just being reconfigured due to the expansion 365 00:17:27,325 --> 00:17:29,565 of exit four A And does not meet the 366 00:17:29,565 --> 00:17:30,885 definition of a regional impact. 367 00:17:31,705 --> 00:17:34,405 Mr. Wood? No. For the same reasons. Mr. Menini? 368 00:17:34,705 --> 00:17:36,845 No for the same reasons. Mr. O'Connor? 369 00:17:37,145 --> 00:17:38,605 Yes, I agree with Mr. Chase. 370 00:17:39,145 --> 00:17:42,285 Mr. Fisherman? No. For the same reasons. Mr. Ello? No. 371 00:17:42,675 --> 00:17:46,125 Same reason. Mr. Pier? No. For the same reason. Mr. Maldi? 372 00:17:46,225 --> 00:17:48,085 No. For the same reasons as Mr. Chase and the chair votes? 373 00:17:48,105 --> 00:17:49,125 No for the same reasons. 374 00:17:50,325 --> 00:17:53,165 Can I have a motion to open the public hearing? Mr. Chair? 375 00:17:53,205 --> 00:17:55,125 I move to open the public hearing a second. 376 00:17:55,685 --> 00:17:58,405 Moved by O'Connor, second by AMI to open the public hearing. 377 00:17:58,465 --> 00:18:01,445 All those in favor say aye. A aye public hearing is opened. 378 00:18:02,035 --> 00:18:04,005 Generally you may present 379 00:18:04,005 --> 00:18:07,165 what little detail has not already been read to us. 380 00:18:08,115 --> 00:18:09,925 Good evening. I'm Jordan Young 381 00:18:09,925 --> 00:18:11,165 with Atlantic Civil Engineering. 382 00:18:11,185 --> 00:18:14,885 I'm sitting here with Brian Messina and Laura is behind us. 383 00:18:15,155 --> 00:18:18,845 They are the owners of Royalty Car Wash. And thank you Liz. 384 00:18:19,165 --> 00:18:24,125 I can cross off most of my intro Saved me. 385 00:18:25,185 --> 00:18:29,765 So I guess if we can pull up sheet three C dash 20 zero, 386 00:18:30,405 --> 00:18:32,685 I think that would be the best place to look. 387 00:18:35,425 --> 00:18:39,205 So as you can see the the right of way is 388 00:18:41,255 --> 00:18:42,765 encroached on their property. 389 00:18:42,785 --> 00:18:45,125 The state purchased it from the owners. 390 00:18:45,585 --> 00:18:48,125 The building is now about 40 feet from the, 391 00:18:48,275 --> 00:18:49,565 from the new right of way line. 392 00:18:51,015 --> 00:18:53,125 We'll we'll dive into the Curbed island stuff 393 00:18:53,245 --> 00:18:54,565 'cause that'll be most of our conversation. 394 00:18:56,195 --> 00:18:59,045 They are proposing to move the vacuum stations, 395 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:01,045 which were on the west side of the property 396 00:19:01,045 --> 00:19:02,325 and now they're up against the buildings. 397 00:19:03,205 --> 00:19:06,485 You can see a note that says six proposed vac stations. 398 00:19:08,025 --> 00:19:11,765 Six as well as adding a parking space on each 399 00:19:11,765 --> 00:19:12,845 side of the propane tank. 400 00:19:13,225 --> 00:19:15,565 That's the dark gray area on the west 401 00:19:16,555 --> 00:19:18,125 southwest corner of the property. 402 00:19:19,055 --> 00:19:20,445 Those two spaces right there. 403 00:19:21,225 --> 00:19:25,245 And then one more addition would be moving the dumpster pad 404 00:19:25,505 --> 00:19:28,005 to the northwest corner of the building 405 00:19:28,355 --> 00:19:30,245 with two spaces next to that as well. 406 00:19:31,915 --> 00:19:34,245 They are increasing the amount of parking spaces 407 00:19:36,635 --> 00:19:40,805 they, they didn't have, they wanted more parking spaces 408 00:19:40,985 --> 00:19:43,125 to be able to, you know, for employees 409 00:19:43,185 --> 00:19:44,525 and people drying off. 410 00:19:44,765 --> 00:19:47,205 'cause they're losing a, a big portion of their front 411 00:19:47,205 --> 00:19:48,965 of their property, which weren't really 412 00:19:48,965 --> 00:19:50,005 defined parking spaces. 413 00:19:50,945 --> 00:19:55,525 But now they're more defined as for that we 414 00:19:56,595 --> 00:19:59,885 have the service road on the left side of the property, 415 00:19:59,885 --> 00:20:02,085 which is, was installed by the state. 416 00:20:02,265 --> 00:20:06,165 And that will be an exit only for vehicles that travel 417 00:20:07,105 --> 00:20:08,405 out of the wash base. 418 00:20:08,745 --> 00:20:09,845 The, the long tunnel. 419 00:20:10,355 --> 00:20:14,005 They have to turn right from their perspective 420 00:20:14,425 --> 00:20:16,085 and exit out that entrance. 421 00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:21,005 Or sorry, that exit there is four bays on the right side. 422 00:20:21,755 --> 00:20:23,125 They're self-serve bays. 423 00:20:23,635 --> 00:20:26,805 They will be allowed to exit to Folsom Road. 424 00:20:28,345 --> 00:20:30,645 And you can see right there it's a right turn only lane. 425 00:20:30,645 --> 00:20:34,885 They cannot turn left. As Liz said, the entrance is 426 00:20:35,475 --> 00:20:39,485 just on the other side of that divided by the curb island. 427 00:20:41,705 --> 00:20:44,525 So if we can get into that curb island that is owned, 428 00:20:44,555 --> 00:20:48,445 that right of way is owned by the state right now until 429 00:20:49,085 --> 00:20:53,325 construction is completed of that Folsom Road widening 430 00:20:55,305 --> 00:20:57,245 the town, correct me if I'm wrong, 431 00:20:57,265 --> 00:20:58,925 the town does not have jurisdiction 432 00:20:59,825 --> 00:21:02,485 to enforce any structures inside of the right of way 433 00:21:02,485 --> 00:21:04,125 that were not previously approved. 434 00:21:06,145 --> 00:21:10,565 So our solution was to provide paint 435 00:21:11,215 --> 00:21:13,685 which would block off that same area 436 00:21:14,825 --> 00:21:17,285 and direct traffic towards the exit. 437 00:21:18,225 --> 00:21:20,725 It doesn't stop vehicles from entering 438 00:21:20,725 --> 00:21:22,245 and going to the propane, 439 00:21:22,245 --> 00:21:24,045 but that would be the only time they 440 00:21:24,045 --> 00:21:25,245 would cross in front of the building. 441 00:21:25,415 --> 00:21:30,005 Everything else goes behind the building around enter any 442 00:21:30,005 --> 00:21:31,365 of the bays that they wish to enter 443 00:21:31,905 --> 00:21:33,925 and then exit out to the service road. 444 00:21:36,175 --> 00:21:39,245 Other than that, I can take any questions 445 00:21:40,905 --> 00:21:42,045 to clarify anything. 446 00:21:43,995 --> 00:21:45,325 Alright, do we have any questions? 447 00:21:45,525 --> 00:21:50,325 Starting off from members of the board, seeing none, 448 00:21:50,825 --> 00:21:52,725 is there anyone in the audience 449 00:21:53,065 --> 00:21:55,165 or online who has questions or comments 450 00:22:00,285 --> 00:22:01,665 Seeing none Horizons. 451 00:22:02,335 --> 00:22:05,145 Okay, so back to the board. Anyone have any questions? 452 00:22:08,525 --> 00:22:12,145 No. All set. Alright. I I, yep. Mr. Chase, 453 00:22:12,505 --> 00:22:13,505 I have one. 454 00:22:13,505 --> 00:22:16,225 So can you just clarify, so if somebody's coming in 455 00:22:16,855 --> 00:22:17,985 just for propane? 456 00:22:18,325 --> 00:22:19,625 Yes. Where are they going to enter? 457 00:22:19,815 --> 00:22:22,305 They're gonna enter from Folsom Road and 458 00:22:22,305 --> 00:22:23,305 They Yes. 459 00:22:23,305 --> 00:22:23,905 Folsom Road. Which entrance? 460 00:22:24,645 --> 00:22:26,825 The, the right side. The, that's the only entrance. 461 00:22:26,935 --> 00:22:28,465 Okay. So there's enough 462 00:22:28,655 --> 00:22:30,985 that 17 seven feet foot space is 463 00:22:30,985 --> 00:22:32,625 where they would cut? Correct. Okay. 464 00:22:32,925 --> 00:22:37,665 So I I want to state that this is, you know, 95% 465 00:22:37,665 --> 00:22:39,385 of their traffic is a car wash. 466 00:22:39,455 --> 00:22:41,265 They Yes, they are a car wash 467 00:22:41,575 --> 00:22:43,785 that also serves propane refill. 468 00:22:43,815 --> 00:22:46,665 Yeah. There's maybe eight 469 00:22:46,665 --> 00:22:49,145 or nine cars a day that get propane. 470 00:22:49,145 --> 00:22:52,865 That's on average. Obviously weekends is a lot more heavy. 471 00:22:52,865 --> 00:22:55,865 Weekdays are very minuscule compared to that. 472 00:22:56,245 --> 00:22:58,825 So we average about, I think we said nine 473 00:22:58,825 --> 00:22:59,905 or 10, actually nine 474 00:22:59,905 --> 00:23:02,705 or 10 vehicles that would cross in front. 475 00:23:02,885 --> 00:23:06,505 And the only conflict is those four bays on the right side 476 00:23:06,505 --> 00:23:09,785 that are exiting to Folsom Road, which we believe 477 00:23:09,785 --> 00:23:13,425 that it's rarely gonna happen when someone's exiting at the 478 00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:16,225 same time as one of those nine 479 00:23:16,225 --> 00:23:17,785 or 10 vehicles that enters for the day. 480 00:23:19,765 --> 00:23:22,945 And if they, if they can't, they can always turn around. 481 00:23:23,005 --> 00:23:25,425 You know, it's not, it's not gonna be an issue from the, 482 00:23:25,455 --> 00:23:26,465 from the owner's view. 483 00:23:28,165 --> 00:23:31,265 That's, that's the best safest plan that we have 484 00:23:32,045 --> 00:23:33,865 and we believe will work. Okay. 485 00:23:34,565 --> 00:23:38,745 And there's nothing if this shows vehicles queued 486 00:23:38,745 --> 00:23:40,785 to get into a bay or the tunnel, whatever. 487 00:23:40,785 --> 00:23:42,785 Yep. If there's nothing queued, there's nothing to, 488 00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:46,485 they can go around the backside if it's opened up, it's 489 00:23:46,485 --> 00:23:48,805 Not, they, they do have the option to go around the back, 490 00:23:49,025 --> 00:23:53,285 but you can see right below just to the south of the exit 491 00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:56,045 to the service road, there's a do not enter sign. 492 00:23:56,555 --> 00:23:58,805 Cars cannot go to the propane station 493 00:23:58,805 --> 00:24:01,405 because it would cause more congestion there. 494 00:24:01,785 --> 00:24:04,685 If they were allowed full 360 access, there would be, 495 00:24:05,335 --> 00:24:07,965 there would be a bunch of congestion and traffic jam. 496 00:24:08,065 --> 00:24:09,765 So we put a do not enter sign. 497 00:24:09,765 --> 00:24:11,365 There's a painted arrow on the ground 498 00:24:12,025 --> 00:24:15,445 one way you exit from the top one way and you exit. 499 00:24:17,825 --> 00:24:20,125 So if, 500 00:24:21,905 --> 00:24:23,965 so your two parking spaces on either side 501 00:24:23,965 --> 00:24:25,245 of the propane tank Yes. 502 00:24:25,745 --> 00:24:27,765 Are those gonna be pulled through? 503 00:24:27,765 --> 00:24:30,405 There's nothing to stop it from the service 504 00:24:30,475 --> 00:24:32,005 road? No. You won't 505 00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:33,005 Be able to pull through. 506 00:24:33,005 --> 00:24:33,765 It's not paved. No it's 507 00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:34,765 Not. 508 00:24:35,195 --> 00:24:37,095 No. Okay. So if somebody is in that one 509 00:24:37,095 --> 00:24:38,095 of those parking spaces Yes. 510 00:24:38,095 --> 00:24:39,135 Getting propane. Yeah. 511 00:24:40,045 --> 00:24:43,335 They don't have to come back out into your lanes. 512 00:24:43,335 --> 00:24:44,615 They can go out onto 513 00:24:45,675 --> 00:24:46,895 No Service road 514 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,935 or is there something blocking them from doing that? 515 00:24:49,085 --> 00:24:50,175 They would have to back out 516 00:24:50,235 --> 00:24:53,495 and there, there might be curb stops or something, 517 00:24:53,515 --> 00:24:54,895 but obviously we would prefer not 518 00:24:54,895 --> 00:24:56,775 to do that for plowing reasons. There's, 519 00:24:56,775 --> 00:24:58,055 Which brings me to my next point. 520 00:24:58,055 --> 00:25:00,215 If somebody accidentally, 521 00:25:00,435 --> 00:25:04,695 or by not knowing went into the service road to get propane, 522 00:25:04,725 --> 00:25:06,015 they wouldn't be able to pull into one 523 00:25:06,015 --> 00:25:07,215 of those parking spaces there. 524 00:25:07,215 --> 00:25:09,815 They'd have to come back out on the Folsom road or just 525 00:25:10,475 --> 00:25:11,475 Yes. 526 00:25:11,475 --> 00:25:12,855 Correct. Pop in the service road 527 00:25:12,955 --> 00:25:17,855 and walk over is until they get to those do not enter signs. 528 00:25:18,925 --> 00:25:21,135 They have no idea that they can't get over 529 00:25:21,135 --> 00:25:22,215 there for the propane tanks. 530 00:25:22,805 --> 00:25:26,215 They cannot enter the site through the service road if 531 00:25:26,215 --> 00:25:27,215 That, that's my point. 532 00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:32,015 Okay. So if somebody by not knowing when into the service 533 00:25:32,085 --> 00:25:34,135 road because it's the closest to the propane tanks. 534 00:25:34,155 --> 00:25:35,295 Yep. And then all 535 00:25:35,295 --> 00:25:37,695 of a sudden they get up Oh no, do not enter. 536 00:25:38,205 --> 00:25:41,335 Yeah. Is they have to go back out onto Folsom or 537 00:25:42,125 --> 00:25:43,175 They would have to turn around. Yeah. 538 00:25:43,175 --> 00:25:44,655 Yeah. So in other words, they have no warning 539 00:25:44,655 --> 00:25:47,175 that they cannot get to the propane tanks from Folsom 540 00:25:47,175 --> 00:25:48,535 Road via the service road. 541 00:25:48,535 --> 00:25:50,815 In other words, there's no, do not enter signage at the, 542 00:25:51,035 --> 00:25:52,535 the interface to, 543 00:25:53,035 --> 00:25:54,375 At the intersection of Folsom? 544 00:25:54,375 --> 00:25:55,935 No, we did, we're not proposing that 545 00:25:56,045 --> 00:25:59,655 because there's, I I believe there's future plans, 546 00:26:00,155 --> 00:26:02,855 but as of right now for what this site has, 547 00:26:05,115 --> 00:26:07,775 our do not enter signs have to be right before our property. 548 00:26:08,075 --> 00:26:09,495 We don't know what they're doing with the service 549 00:26:09,525 --> 00:26:11,295 road when it gets turned over. 550 00:26:11,475 --> 00:26:13,695 But it's not, has nothing to do with our property. But 551 00:26:14,525 --> 00:26:15,525 Alright. 552 00:26:15,525 --> 00:26:17,375 So the service road is, is belongs to who? The state? 553 00:26:18,175 --> 00:26:19,495 I believe it's the state. Yes. 554 00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:21,295 State, yeah. Okay. 555 00:26:22,875 --> 00:26:25,335 But it could be different in the future? 556 00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:26,735 Well it could be different in the future. 557 00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:29,295 It could be different in the future once on. Right. 558 00:26:29,295 --> 00:26:33,175 Because you've got, I'm looking at Stinson Hill in the back. 559 00:26:33,175 --> 00:26:34,375 That's an, it's, 560 00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:36,975 It's, it's, it's under the jurisdiction of the state 561 00:26:37,035 --> 00:26:39,695 as he stated, like the work and the right of way. 562 00:26:40,475 --> 00:26:43,015 And then all of the state right of way will revert 563 00:26:43,085 --> 00:26:45,805 to the town right away when their project's complete. 564 00:26:46,135 --> 00:26:48,605 Right. But we don't know when that complete date is, 565 00:26:48,615 --> 00:26:53,405 which is kind of the difficult aspect of trying 566 00:26:53,505 --> 00:26:56,045 to do the hard feature with the sidewalk 567 00:26:56,555 --> 00:26:58,925 because the state is in contract 568 00:26:58,925 --> 00:27:00,765 with Weaver Brothers to do the work. 569 00:27:01,675 --> 00:27:04,285 It's under jurisdic jurisdiction of the state. 570 00:27:05,065 --> 00:27:08,405 And even when all of this work is complete in this phase, 571 00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:15,225 I don't believe that the state will release the jurisdiction 572 00:27:15,275 --> 00:27:19,985 until the final Phase C is complete, which could be five 573 00:27:20,065 --> 00:27:21,065 to seven years away. 574 00:27:21,375 --> 00:27:23,305 Yeah. Didn't they hear it like at 2038? 575 00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:27,185 Last I knew it was 2036. Okay. Oh, 576 00:27:27,665 --> 00:27:28,665 I don't think I'll be around. 577 00:27:29,825 --> 00:27:31,505 I don't know if it'll be that far along, 578 00:27:31,605 --> 00:27:35,425 but it is delayed a bit for, for the, 579 00:27:35,445 --> 00:27:36,985 the bike path tunnel. 580 00:27:38,215 --> 00:27:40,785 Alright. So we should not make any short term plans there. 581 00:27:44,575 --> 00:27:45,575 Alright. 582 00:27:46,105 --> 00:27:49,545 I was just gonna piggyback on Mr. Chase. 583 00:27:49,965 --> 00:27:53,625 So will people continue to use that service road 584 00:27:53,625 --> 00:27:55,265 and then find out when they're halfway through 585 00:27:55,335 --> 00:27:56,425 that they can't get in? 586 00:27:56,485 --> 00:27:58,025 So they're gonna be turning around. 587 00:27:58,405 --> 00:28:01,425 You're gonna get a lot of that they can park. 588 00:28:03,925 --> 00:28:05,815 Unfortunately we don't have any control over 589 00:28:05,875 --> 00:28:08,095 the, the service road. It's not our property. 590 00:28:08,805 --> 00:28:11,455 They would most likely pull in the entrance anyways, 591 00:28:11,745 --> 00:28:15,255 which is a normal entrance to our facility right now. 592 00:28:15,575 --> 00:28:17,735 I think they're all used to coming in that way now. 593 00:28:18,315 --> 00:28:20,495 So like where you are now, you'd come in 594 00:28:20,555 --> 00:28:22,375 and then, then you'd take a left, right? 595 00:28:22,405 --> 00:28:23,655 Yeah. You're cutting across 596 00:28:23,655 --> 00:28:24,935 That little small Yeah. 597 00:28:24,935 --> 00:28:26,895 Which is what they've been doing for 30 years. 598 00:28:27,975 --> 00:28:30,595 But because you got limited space there, it's, that's, 599 00:28:30,815 --> 00:28:33,635 you got a lot of do a pretty good business over there. 600 00:28:33,715 --> 00:28:36,275 I see it. The the, the cars coming through all the time. 601 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:37,395 So when they're exiting 602 00:28:38,745 --> 00:28:40,075 they're coming straight out. Correct. 603 00:28:40,255 --> 00:28:41,475 But yeah, but the, 604 00:28:41,475 --> 00:28:43,235 what you're seeing when you're seeing a lot 605 00:28:43,235 --> 00:28:45,915 of flow is the tunnel wash, which is the left side. 606 00:28:45,915 --> 00:28:47,995 Yeah. Which they're gonna have to u-turn to the right. 607 00:28:48,535 --> 00:28:49,835 The one like Jordan said 608 00:28:49,835 --> 00:28:51,155 before the four other bays, 609 00:28:51,645 --> 00:28:53,715 those are self-serving in bay automatics. 610 00:28:53,715 --> 00:28:56,355 The flow outta them is one car maximum 611 00:28:56,615 --> 00:28:57,675 per four or five minutes. 612 00:28:57,785 --> 00:28:59,675 Yeah. So the likelihood 613 00:28:59,695 --> 00:29:03,555 of four cars every five minutes is probably minimal. 614 00:29:03,865 --> 00:29:04,865 Okay. 615 00:29:07,995 --> 00:29:09,375 So let me suggest that 616 00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:11,895 before we end the public hearing that 617 00:29:13,245 --> 00:29:15,255 members review the, the waivers 618 00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:16,895 and if there are questions regarding the waivers. 619 00:29:16,895 --> 00:29:19,495 And may we do those now? Mr. Amzie? Yes. I 620 00:29:19,495 --> 00:29:20,495 Have a question. 621 00:29:20,495 --> 00:29:23,095 I'm sorry, but I'll make mine short. 622 00:29:23,355 --> 00:29:24,575 So if I'm following the rules 623 00:29:25,035 --> 00:29:26,655 And I'm, and I'm going through correctly 624 00:29:27,035 --> 00:29:28,655 and I'm coming out the service road, 625 00:29:28,745 --> 00:29:31,175 which is a little bit further down on Folsom Road, 626 00:29:31,955 --> 00:29:34,255 am I also only allowed to turn right? 627 00:29:34,795 --> 00:29:36,495 Yes. Or can I turn left there too? 628 00:29:38,345 --> 00:29:40,135 Right. Coming out. Coming out. 629 00:29:40,235 --> 00:29:42,245 So I'm coming out your service, Rob? Yeah, that's right. 630 00:29:42,245 --> 00:29:43,285 Only 'cause that's false. 631 00:29:43,285 --> 00:29:46,125 So that's gonna be right only as well that's media. Okay. 632 00:29:46,185 --> 00:29:49,045 Yep. Okay. Unless they put a traffic light there. Okay. 633 00:29:49,435 --> 00:29:51,965 Make sure that's, that's what they're working on. 634 00:29:52,425 --> 00:29:54,445 I'm sorry. We Proximity. 635 00:29:54,955 --> 00:29:57,885 Yeah sir, I'm sorry. So here's a a microphone skill 636 00:29:57,915 --> 00:30:01,485 that I learned early in my days of doing sounding lights. 637 00:30:01,785 --> 00:30:03,965 If you do not hear yourself coming back 638 00:30:04,315 --> 00:30:05,485 through the PA system, 639 00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:07,765 the audience is not gonna get a good read. 640 00:30:07,785 --> 00:30:09,525 So don't try to work from here. 641 00:30:10,165 --> 00:30:13,125 'cause then the guy on the on the mixer will just raise 642 00:30:13,125 --> 00:30:14,205 the level and we'll get feedback. 643 00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:17,965 So don't be afraid of the microphone please. 644 00:30:19,265 --> 00:30:21,565 Is that good Mr. Venture? Thank you Mr. Chair. 645 00:30:23,075 --> 00:30:27,125 Alright, any other questions from the board? 646 00:30:28,075 --> 00:30:29,845 Yeah. Does that raise any other 647 00:30:30,005 --> 00:30:31,125 questions from anyone in the audience? 648 00:30:33,175 --> 00:30:36,555 No. Then maybe we have a motion to close public hearing. Mr. 649 00:30:36,565 --> 00:30:37,755 Chair. I so move. 650 00:30:38,255 --> 00:30:40,235 Second, Move by Connor. 651 00:30:40,235 --> 00:30:42,515 Second by Alam to close the public hearing. 652 00:30:42,575 --> 00:30:44,875 All those in favor say aye. Aye. 653 00:30:44,875 --> 00:30:48,795 Public hearing is closed on the matter of the waivers. 654 00:30:48,895 --> 00:30:53,555 Do we want to deal with these individually? Sure. 655 00:30:55,345 --> 00:30:57,355 Okay. I would like to make 656 00:30:58,265 --> 00:31:01,595 motions on the waivers. Go ahead 657 00:31:02,495 --> 00:31:03,495 Mr. 658 00:31:03,495 --> 00:31:04,035 Chair. I'd like to move 659 00:31:04,035 --> 00:31:08,155 to grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 63 A 660 00:31:08,775 --> 00:31:11,115 to allow parking spaces closer than 661 00:31:11,115 --> 00:31:12,275 10 feet to the property line. 662 00:31:12,645 --> 00:31:15,075 After review of the waiver request, the board finds 663 00:31:15,075 --> 00:31:17,355 that specific circumstances relative to the plan 664 00:31:17,695 --> 00:31:18,995 or conditions of the land 665 00:31:19,015 --> 00:31:20,475 and such plan indicate 666 00:31:20,475 --> 00:31:22,235 that the waiver will properly carry out the spirit 667 00:31:22,295 --> 00:31:23,595 and intent of the regulations. 668 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:28,195 Second. Okay, so a move, a motion and, 669 00:31:28,195 --> 00:31:32,955 and second by Malibu And 670 00:31:32,955 --> 00:31:34,115 seconded by appellate Here. 671 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:40,115 I I will just comment that for all of these, the one of the 672 00:31:41,395 --> 00:31:43,915 justifying criteria is 673 00:31:44,225 --> 00:31:45,875 what the state is doing with this land. 674 00:31:47,095 --> 00:31:50,555 So that kind of is an overriding issue. Yes. 675 00:31:51,975 --> 00:31:55,875 Any other comments on that? If not, we'll poll the board. 676 00:31:55,875 --> 00:31:59,955 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. 677 00:32:00,095 --> 00:32:04,795 Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisher? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Pier? 678 00:32:04,815 --> 00:32:07,155 Yes. Mr. Mal? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 679 00:32:08,235 --> 00:32:09,235 Mr. Chair, I move 680 00:32:09,235 --> 00:32:13,435 to grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 60 3D 681 00:32:14,175 --> 00:32:17,835 one to allow parking spaces to be less than nine by 12 682 00:32:18,055 --> 00:32:19,315 inside feet in size. 683 00:32:19,685 --> 00:32:21,195 After review of the waiver request, 684 00:32:21,195 --> 00:32:23,515 the board finds its specific circumstances relative 685 00:32:23,515 --> 00:32:26,915 to the plan or conditions of the land in such plan indicate 686 00:32:26,915 --> 00:32:28,795 that the waiver will properly carry out the spirit 687 00:32:28,815 --> 00:32:30,115 and intent of the regulations. 688 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:31,115 Second, 689 00:32:31,555 --> 00:32:36,235 Moved by, be seconded by pate here that just says 690 00:32:36,235 --> 00:32:38,275 that they can be less than the required nine by 20. 691 00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:40,805 Do we think we know how much, how big they will be? 692 00:32:41,905 --> 00:32:43,065 I think they're 18. 693 00:32:43,665 --> 00:32:46,825 18? Yeah. So these refer to existing car parking spaces 694 00:32:47,325 --> 00:32:49,785 and they are nine by 18. Oh, 695 00:32:49,975 --> 00:32:50,975 Okay. 696 00:32:50,975 --> 00:32:55,195 So maybe we 697 00:32:55,475 --> 00:32:57,995 actually want to friendly amendment to put that in there 698 00:32:58,055 --> 00:32:59,195 as a, as an as-built. 699 00:32:59,575 --> 00:33:01,395 So instead of nine by 20 as required, 700 00:33:01,395 --> 00:33:02,555 there'll be nine by 18. 701 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:06,715 Oh. Yep. Any object to that? Let's 702 00:33:06,715 --> 00:33:07,275 Amend that. Yep. 703 00:33:07,405 --> 00:33:11,075 Sorry about that. Okay, any other discussion? Mr. Chase? 704 00:33:11,415 --> 00:33:15,435 Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. 705 00:33:16,575 --> 00:33:20,435 Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Peir? Yes. Mr. 706 00:33:20,435 --> 00:33:21,915 Melanie? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 707 00:33:22,835 --> 00:33:26,275 Mr. Chair, I moved a grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 708 00:33:26,425 --> 00:33:30,475 dash 62 B four to allow the drive aisles leading 709 00:33:30,475 --> 00:33:32,555 to the wash bays to be less than 11 feet wide. 710 00:33:32,965 --> 00:33:34,515 After review of the waiver request, 711 00:33:34,655 --> 00:33:35,795 the board finds this trick. 712 00:33:35,795 --> 00:33:38,395 Conformity to the regulations would pose an unnecessary 713 00:33:38,635 --> 00:33:40,995 hardship to the applicant and the waiver would not be 714 00:33:41,195 --> 00:33:43,235 contrary to the spirit and intent of the regulations 715 00:33:44,315 --> 00:33:46,635 Moved by Maby, seconded by pier. 716 00:33:47,315 --> 00:33:51,115 Again, I would ask, do we know how narrow they will be? 717 00:33:51,135 --> 00:33:52,475 In fact, 10 and a half feet. 718 00:33:52,665 --> 00:33:55,115 Alright, so maybe we could do the same friendly amendment 719 00:33:55,115 --> 00:33:57,555 saying where 11 is required. 720 00:33:57,835 --> 00:34:02,115 They will be 10 and a half. Any further discussion? 721 00:34:03,335 --> 00:34:07,475 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. 722 00:34:07,575 --> 00:34:11,795 Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. 723 00:34:12,025 --> 00:34:14,435 Pier? Yes. Mr. Melby? Yes. Votes? Yes. 724 00:34:15,095 --> 00:34:18,435 Mr. Chair, I moved a grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 725 00:34:18,505 --> 00:34:22,675 dash 60 3D three to allow one way drive aisle 726 00:34:22,675 --> 00:34:24,315 to be less than 18 feet wide. 727 00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:26,235 After review of the waiver requests, 728 00:34:26,235 --> 00:34:27,795 the board finds the stricken formative 729 00:34:27,795 --> 00:34:30,155 of the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship 730 00:34:30,395 --> 00:34:32,795 to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary 731 00:34:32,795 --> 00:34:34,995 to the spirit and intent of the regulations. Second 732 00:34:35,465 --> 00:34:36,995 Move, move by Malibu. 733 00:34:36,995 --> 00:34:38,955 Seconded by Pelletier again, I would ask 734 00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,875 do we know the actual and 10 and 735 00:34:41,875 --> 00:34:42,875 Half? 736 00:34:42,875 --> 00:34:43,095 10 and a half 737 00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:44,665 Instead of 18? 738 00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:45,795 It's 10 and a half. Yes. Okay. 739 00:34:46,055 --> 00:34:48,675 So where 18 is required, 740 00:34:49,075 --> 00:34:50,275 I'll allow them to li 10 and a half. 741 00:34:51,695 --> 00:34:56,235 Any other comments? Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. 742 00:34:56,495 --> 00:35:01,075 Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. 743 00:35:01,395 --> 00:35:04,675 Ello? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Malam? Yes. Chair? Yes. 744 00:35:05,655 --> 00:35:06,715 Mr. Chair, I move 745 00:35:06,715 --> 00:35:10,395 to Grand Waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 64 746 00:35:10,735 --> 00:35:12,435 to not require a landscape plan. 747 00:35:12,765 --> 00:35:14,235 After review of the waiver request, 748 00:35:14,255 --> 00:35:15,915 the board finds the S strict conformity 749 00:35:15,915 --> 00:35:18,275 of the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship 750 00:35:18,275 --> 00:35:20,635 to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary 751 00:35:20,635 --> 00:35:22,275 to the spirit and intent of the regulations. 752 00:35:22,275 --> 00:35:23,275 Second. 753 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,195 Motion by Melanie, seconded by Palantir 754 00:35:26,535 --> 00:35:29,475 to waive requiring a landscape plan. 755 00:35:29,615 --> 00:35:34,315 Any comments Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? 756 00:35:34,415 --> 00:35:37,725 Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes. 757 00:35:37,865 --> 00:35:40,565 Mr. Chair Cell? Yes. Mr. Paler? Yes. Mr. 758 00:35:40,835 --> 00:35:42,125 Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 759 00:35:42,585 --> 00:35:45,805 Mr. Chair, I moved to grant a waiver from LDCR section one 760 00:35:45,805 --> 00:35:50,325 70 dash 67 B one to allow the screen dumpster 761 00:35:50,325 --> 00:35:52,365 to be closer than 25 feet to the property line. 762 00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:55,565 After review of the waiver, or excuse me, 763 00:35:55,575 --> 00:35:57,205 after review of the waiver request, 764 00:35:59,005 --> 00:36:01,485 the board finds its specific circumstances relative 765 00:36:01,485 --> 00:36:03,565 to the plan or conditions of the land and such. 766 00:36:03,565 --> 00:36:04,685 Plan indicate 767 00:36:04,685 --> 00:36:06,565 that the waiver will properly carry out the spirit 768 00:36:06,585 --> 00:36:07,885 and intent of the regulations. 769 00:36:08,865 --> 00:36:11,565 Second. Moved by Melanie, seconded by Palantir 770 00:36:11,825 --> 00:36:14,565 to grant a waiver on the location of the dumpster. 771 00:36:14,665 --> 00:36:19,365 Any comments Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. 772 00:36:19,425 --> 00:36:24,205 Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ella? Yes. Yes. Mr. 773 00:36:24,305 --> 00:36:25,645 Mallee? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 774 00:36:26,345 --> 00:36:27,925 And finally, Mr. Chair, I move 775 00:36:27,925 --> 00:36:32,645 to Grand Waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 62 B four 776 00:36:33,185 --> 00:36:35,525 to allow one way drive aisles to the wash bay 777 00:36:35,525 --> 00:36:36,925 to be less than 11 feet wide. 778 00:36:37,415 --> 00:36:39,005 After review of the waiver requests, 779 00:36:39,005 --> 00:36:40,525 the board finds its strict conformity 780 00:36:40,525 --> 00:36:42,845 of the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship 781 00:36:42,845 --> 00:36:45,165 to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary 782 00:36:45,165 --> 00:36:47,125 to the spirit and intent of the regulations. Second, 783 00:36:47,935 --> 00:36:51,165 Moved by Melby, seconded by app Peir to grant the waiver. 784 00:36:51,545 --> 00:36:54,205 Can I ask what will the width be? 10 and a half. 785 00:36:54,205 --> 00:36:56,125 Alright, so maybe we do a friendly amendment. 786 00:36:57,055 --> 00:36:58,685 Allow the width be 10 787 00:36:58,685 --> 00:37:01,245 and a half feet where 11 would normally be required. 788 00:37:02,665 --> 00:37:06,805 Any other comments? Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. 789 00:37:06,945 --> 00:37:10,765 Menini? Yes. Mr. Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Ello? 790 00:37:10,945 --> 00:37:14,205 Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Mal? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 791 00:37:17,155 --> 00:37:18,205 Alright. Mr. 792 00:37:18,205 --> 00:37:20,605 Chair, the board finds the proposed plan provides safe 793 00:37:20,625 --> 00:37:23,725 and efficient vehicular and pedestrian access and design 794 00:37:23,825 --> 00:37:25,285 and construction of the access ways 795 00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:27,405 or adequate to accommodate the anticipated volume 796 00:37:27,405 --> 00:37:29,285 of traffic proposed by development. 797 00:37:29,905 --> 00:37:32,205 The board finds the proposed parking plan is adequate 798 00:37:32,205 --> 00:37:34,045 for the site and meets the parking density 799 00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:35,165 requirements for the use. 800 00:37:36,025 --> 00:37:38,085 The board finds the stormwater management 801 00:37:38,085 --> 00:37:39,245 as proposed is designed 802 00:37:39,265 --> 00:37:41,525 to control the post-development runoff so 803 00:37:41,525 --> 00:37:43,765 that it does not exceed pre-development runoff. 804 00:37:45,105 --> 00:37:48,325 The board makes finding of fact as listed above. Second. 805 00:37:48,715 --> 00:37:51,005 Alright. A motion to make finding of fact 806 00:37:51,065 --> 00:37:53,005 by Maby seconded by Pier. 807 00:37:53,185 --> 00:37:57,645 Any questions? Discussion Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. 808 00:37:57,865 --> 00:38:01,045 Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. 809 00:38:01,325 --> 00:38:05,365 Ello? Yes. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes. 810 00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:07,805 Mr. Chair, after review 811 00:38:07,805 --> 00:38:10,485 and deliberation of the amended site plan application 812 00:38:10,485 --> 00:38:15,285 for PID 3 5 0 1 4 dash zero five, 813 00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:17,805 Brian and Laura Real Estate LLC, 814 00:38:18,305 --> 00:38:20,285 the board finds the applicant is satisfied the general 815 00:38:20,285 --> 00:38:22,645 requirements of the land development control regulations 816 00:38:23,665 --> 00:38:25,805 or in cases where the regulation cannot be met, 817 00:38:25,825 --> 00:38:27,405 has satisfied the waiver requirements. 818 00:38:27,955 --> 00:38:30,205 Therefore, the motion is to approve pursuant 819 00:38:30,205 --> 00:38:34,685 to RSA 6 76 4 Roman one completed application 820 00:38:34,795 --> 00:38:36,045 with the following conditions, 821 00:38:36,805 --> 00:38:39,805 the conditions precedent subject to owner's signature 822 00:38:40,395 --> 00:38:41,965 establish appropriate escrow 823 00:38:42,025 --> 00:38:43,405 as required to complete the project. 824 00:38:44,315 --> 00:38:45,805 Note approved waivers on the plan, 825 00:38:46,585 --> 00:38:49,085 obtain written approval from the planning director designee 826 00:38:49,085 --> 00:38:51,645 that the GIS submission is received and is operable 827 00:38:51,785 --> 00:38:56,645 and complies with the LDCR section one 70 dash 61 C 828 00:38:57,395 --> 00:38:59,205 subject to receipt of applicable state 829 00:38:59,225 --> 00:39:03,045 or local permits relating to the project completion 830 00:39:03,045 --> 00:39:04,925 of the suggested offsite improvements 831 00:39:05,025 --> 00:39:06,645 to include the pedestrian crossing 832 00:39:06,645 --> 00:39:07,925 as noted on the current plan 833 00:39:08,545 --> 00:39:11,125 or addition of appropriate striping at the entrance 834 00:39:11,125 --> 00:39:13,285 to be reviewed by the dairy engineering staff. 835 00:39:13,855 --> 00:39:16,125 Conditions precedent shall be met within six months 836 00:39:16,745 --> 00:39:18,605 and then the conditions subsequent 837 00:39:18,905 --> 00:39:21,325 and subject to onsite inspection by the towns engineer. 838 00:39:21,465 --> 00:39:22,465 Second 839 00:39:23,425 --> 00:39:25,045 Is moved by Melanie, seconded 840 00:39:25,045 --> 00:39:26,485 by Peir to grant conditional approval. 841 00:39:27,265 --> 00:39:29,285 Mr. Remove, does the engineering department have any 842 00:39:29,285 --> 00:39:30,325 remaining concerns? 843 00:39:30,865 --> 00:39:33,125 No. No concerns. Thank you. No. Okay. 844 00:39:33,145 --> 00:39:35,405 Any other comments from the board discussion? 845 00:39:37,265 --> 00:39:38,325 Oh, Ms. Roberto, 846 00:39:38,555 --> 00:39:42,045 Just if we could pick one of, one 847 00:39:42,045 --> 00:39:44,485 of the options for item six. Right. 848 00:39:44,695 --> 00:39:46,925 Thank you. We, we gonna make that decision. 849 00:39:47,475 --> 00:39:49,045 That needs to be, that decision needs 850 00:39:49,245 --> 00:39:50,725 to be made this evening because 851 00:39:50,725 --> 00:39:52,925 otherwise the applicant doesn't know how to move forward 852 00:39:53,035 --> 00:39:54,445 with construction on the site. 853 00:39:54,755 --> 00:39:58,925 Well, given the testimony I've heard asking 854 00:39:59,025 --> 00:40:00,925 for the pedestrian crossing 855 00:40:01,985 --> 00:40:03,925 to be constructed on in the state right 856 00:40:03,925 --> 00:40:07,125 of way is not gonna happen in any reasonable time. 857 00:40:09,065 --> 00:40:11,605 So the striping seems to be the option. Thank you. 858 00:40:11,905 --> 00:40:14,765 Now we could ask them to come back in 859 00:40:15,535 --> 00:40:18,725 eight years when the state has link to town, 860 00:40:18,725 --> 00:40:21,845 but I don't know that that makes sense either, so. Okay. 861 00:40:21,985 --> 00:40:24,045 But if we could just like pick one or the other. 862 00:40:24,665 --> 00:40:25,885 So we'll amen that to say, 863 00:40:29,105 --> 00:40:33,645 to include addition of appropriate striping at the entrance 864 00:40:34,305 --> 00:40:36,965 to be reviewed by the Department of Dairy Engineering staff 865 00:40:36,965 --> 00:40:40,325 and remove the reference to the pedestrian crossing. 866 00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:42,365 Thank you. Right. 867 00:40:43,095 --> 00:40:46,045 Appreciate the clarification amendment. Yeah. Thanks. 868 00:40:46,635 --> 00:40:51,285 Okay. Any other comment Mr. Chase? 869 00:40:51,585 --> 00:40:55,925 Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Minni? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. 870 00:40:56,665 --> 00:40:59,885 Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Chair? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. 871 00:41:00,345 --> 00:41:02,045 Mr. Malvin? Yes. 872 00:41:02,345 --> 00:41:03,405 And The chair votes? Yes. 873 00:41:04,445 --> 00:41:05,925 Good luck in dealing with all this. 874 00:41:06,025 --> 00:41:08,765 We, we thank you for patience 875 00:41:09,185 --> 00:41:11,685 and working through all of that construction nonsense. 876 00:41:11,785 --> 00:41:13,245 We appreciate it. Thank you. Your help. Yep. 877 00:41:13,245 --> 00:41:14,445 Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. 878 00:41:25,065 --> 00:41:29,525 All right. Our next public hearing is 879 00:41:30,205 --> 00:41:32,565 Mt M Realty Trust, who's the owner 880 00:41:33,225 --> 00:41:35,525 and G development LLC. 881 00:41:35,525 --> 00:41:37,725 Who is the applicant for parcel id. 882 00:41:37,855 --> 00:41:42,485 3 5 0 1 15 dash 0 2 10 Manchester Road 883 00:41:45,505 --> 00:41:46,965 The applicant is requesting 884 00:41:46,965 --> 00:41:49,725 to demolish the existing multi-tenant commercial building 885 00:41:49,725 --> 00:41:51,005 to redevelop the property 886 00:41:51,075 --> 00:41:55,765 with the new 4,235 square foot car garage facility 887 00:41:55,775 --> 00:42:00,325 known as wash the ZBA determined this was a permitted use in 888 00:42:00,325 --> 00:42:03,645 the zone commercial service establishment located in the 889 00:42:03,645 --> 00:42:05,085 industrial two zoning district 890 00:42:05,085 --> 00:42:08,045 and did not require a variance highway safety reviewed. 891 00:42:08,045 --> 00:42:11,525 The proposal and conservation commission Conservation 892 00:42:11,525 --> 00:42:13,645 commission review was not required. 893 00:42:13,985 --> 00:42:17,965 The proposed site plan construction includes a 110 foot 894 00:42:18,905 --> 00:42:22,405 tunnel wash with three wash lanes and 22 vacuum units. 895 00:42:22,785 --> 00:42:24,125 The use in construction 896 00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:27,085 of this site will require a new gas line from Tinkham Ave 897 00:42:27,305 --> 00:42:30,525 and will also connect the existing sewer line directly 898 00:42:30,525 --> 00:42:32,405 to the onsite sewer manhole. 899 00:42:32,635 --> 00:42:36,525 Connections to existing water service on Tum Ave are also 900 00:42:36,765 --> 00:42:39,565 required Through the review process. 901 00:42:39,735 --> 00:42:42,045 Staff comments have focused primarily on traffic, 902 00:42:42,045 --> 00:42:43,525 circulation and site access. 903 00:42:43,945 --> 00:42:45,365 The original concept planned 904 00:42:45,365 --> 00:42:46,845 for this development showed access 905 00:42:46,845 --> 00:42:50,205 through the Applebee's site 14 Manchester Road via the 906 00:42:50,205 --> 00:42:51,245 Signalize intersection. 907 00:42:52,345 --> 00:42:54,285 To date, the applicant has been unable 908 00:42:54,285 --> 00:42:56,365 to secure an easement for this access. 909 00:42:56,735 --> 00:42:58,165 Staff required the access 910 00:42:58,165 --> 00:43:01,605 through Applebee's be removed from the plan until such time 911 00:43:01,705 --> 00:43:03,245 as the easement has been secured. 912 00:43:03,625 --> 00:43:06,645 The existing curb cut on Manchester Road is proposed 913 00:43:06,665 --> 00:43:08,565 to be discontinued at the time. 914 00:43:08,885 --> 00:43:11,645 N-H-D-O-T reviewed and approved this request. 915 00:43:12,025 --> 00:43:13,965 The plan still showed the access easement 916 00:43:13,965 --> 00:43:15,085 through Manchester Road. 917 00:43:15,685 --> 00:43:16,885 N-H-D-O-T has not 918 00:43:17,085 --> 00:43:20,205 provided insight to date as to whether they feel removal 919 00:43:20,225 --> 00:43:22,525 of the access easement affects traffic flow 920 00:43:22,525 --> 00:43:23,565 onto Manchester Road. 921 00:43:24,785 --> 00:43:26,005 The new portion 922 00:43:26,185 --> 00:43:29,445 of sidewalk will be constructed along the frontage when the 923 00:43:29,445 --> 00:43:30,925 curb cut is discontinued, 924 00:43:31,075 --> 00:43:33,005 parking appears adequate for the use. 925 00:43:33,185 --> 00:43:36,325 The board will need to make a finding that it is adequate 926 00:43:36,385 --> 00:43:39,565 as the regulations does not have calculations. 927 00:43:40,365 --> 00:43:41,725 A calculation for car wash. 928 00:43:43,025 --> 00:43:46,205 The proposed site design requires vehicles exiting Tinkham 929 00:43:46,205 --> 00:43:48,885 Avenue to make an Unprotective left turn 930 00:43:48,885 --> 00:43:49,925 onto Manchester Road. 931 00:43:50,215 --> 00:43:51,485 Staff remains concerned 932 00:43:51,485 --> 00:43:54,005 that this movement may present operational 933 00:43:54,025 --> 00:43:56,765 and safety challenges during periods of heavier traffic. 934 00:43:57,265 --> 00:44:01,085 The traffic study conducted by GPI presented 11 left turns 935 00:44:01,205 --> 00:44:04,485 during weekday PM peak and 36 left turns. 936 00:44:04,505 --> 00:44:06,165 During Saturday midday. 937 00:44:06,625 --> 00:44:08,885 The town's peer review engineer was 938 00:44:08,885 --> 00:44:09,925 asked to review the plan. 939 00:44:09,945 --> 00:44:11,445 In relation to staff concerns, 940 00:44:14,385 --> 00:44:16,885 Please see the VHB review at a minimum. 941 00:44:16,935 --> 00:44:18,725 Staff recommends the applicant continue 942 00:44:18,725 --> 00:44:20,645 to seek easement approval to benefit 943 00:44:21,185 --> 00:44:24,845 10 Manchester Road from the landowner at 14 Manchester Road. 944 00:44:25,415 --> 00:44:28,005 There are monitoring wells on site some related 945 00:44:28,025 --> 00:44:30,325 to the former head Coast seven Manchester Road. 946 00:44:30,705 --> 00:44:33,125 The the remainder were put in place 947 00:44:33,185 --> 00:44:35,245 to monitor groundwater following a spill 948 00:44:35,265 --> 00:44:36,325 at the former gas station. 949 00:44:36,385 --> 00:44:40,565 At this location, two wells were decommissioned in 2021. 950 00:44:40,875 --> 00:44:43,485 They'll be cut subgrade as needed. 951 00:44:45,025 --> 00:44:48,805 The well to remain located near Manchester Road is noted. 952 00:44:48,945 --> 00:44:51,325 The environmental coordinator expressed some concern 953 00:44:51,325 --> 00:44:53,925 regarding the soil management process during construction. 954 00:44:54,265 --> 00:44:56,845 The development team has indicated they have soil, 955 00:44:57,275 --> 00:44:59,925 they have soils management plan ready if required. 956 00:45:00,305 --> 00:45:03,325 The Hood Park Watershed management plan revealed Tum Ave 957 00:45:03,325 --> 00:45:06,485 as a problem area storm water discharge from the roadways 958 00:45:06,585 --> 00:45:10,365 closed drainage system into Shields Brook. 959 00:45:10,985 --> 00:45:12,045 The applicant was asked 960 00:45:12,045 --> 00:45:14,285 to provide infiltration along Tum Ave, 961 00:45:14,285 --> 00:45:15,845 which they have done to address this. 962 00:45:16,065 --> 00:45:19,965 The concern they added deep sum catch basins per the, 963 00:45:20,385 --> 00:45:22,085 per their stormwater management report. 964 00:45:22,105 --> 00:45:24,045 The stormwater design measures proposed 965 00:45:24,585 --> 00:45:27,725 for the project will result in increased stormwater charge, 966 00:45:27,875 --> 00:45:29,565 improve stormwater quality 967 00:45:29,825 --> 00:45:33,365 and reduce peak discharge to Tinkham Avenue. 968 00:45:34,025 --> 00:45:35,405 The applicant has indicated 969 00:45:35,405 --> 00:45:38,125 that the proposed car wash will operate without the use 970 00:45:38,145 --> 00:45:40,125 of PFAS containing cleaning products. 971 00:45:40,945 --> 00:45:43,645 The architectural design package is included at the end 972 00:45:44,025 --> 00:45:45,045 of the package. 973 00:45:45,705 --> 00:45:49,045 The industrial two district requires a medium high 974 00:45:49,055 --> 00:45:50,125 level of compliance. 975 00:45:51,255 --> 00:45:52,725 There are two waivers for this. 976 00:45:53,425 --> 00:45:57,085 The first one is a storm water design waiver 977 00:45:57,265 --> 00:45:59,965 and the second is to allow dumpsters to be located five 978 00:45:59,965 --> 00:46:02,085 and a half feet from the north property line 979 00:46:02,085 --> 00:46:03,685 where 25 feet is required. 980 00:46:04,825 --> 00:46:05,825 And then I do these now. 981 00:46:07,315 --> 00:46:12,125 Okay. N-H-D-O-T issued 982 00:46:12,205 --> 00:46:13,405 a permit on March 20 983 00:46:13,705 --> 00:46:16,085 or yeah, March 23rd, 2026 984 00:46:16,145 --> 00:46:18,005 to alter the driveway on Manchester Road 985 00:46:18,005 --> 00:46:20,285 to eliminate the curb cut on Manchester Road. 986 00:46:20,925 --> 00:46:24,165 DOT confirmed today they're aware there is no access 987 00:46:24,165 --> 00:46:27,165 through Applebee's and does not pose any issues to them. 988 00:46:28,015 --> 00:46:32,445 Local water and sewer connections permit local water 989 00:46:32,545 --> 00:46:35,605 and sewer connection permits, permits as necessary. 990 00:46:36,305 --> 00:46:38,725 The recommendations are to determine the regional impact 991 00:46:38,725 --> 00:46:40,525 and review the proposed site plan 992 00:46:40,665 --> 00:46:42,805 and architectural design rendering. 993 00:46:45,555 --> 00:46:48,565 Okay. Thank you. Very good. 994 00:46:48,785 --> 00:46:53,405 And I want to commend you on the wording of the 995 00:46:54,125 --> 00:46:56,285 dumpster waiver 'cause it indicates what it's gonna be, 996 00:46:56,315 --> 00:46:57,845 what what it's allowed. 997 00:46:58,465 --> 00:47:00,165 And I noticed that there are elements there 998 00:47:00,165 --> 00:47:04,405 that were not in our printed packet updates. 999 00:47:05,855 --> 00:47:07,525 Storm water calculation 1000 00:47:07,585 --> 00:47:10,685 Waiver that that waiver is included in your packet. 1001 00:47:10,755 --> 00:47:13,405 There's a, I think behind the back 1002 00:47:13,405 --> 00:47:16,205 of the packet there should be a page 1003 00:47:16,205 --> 00:47:18,205 that says wash fill additional waiver 1004 00:47:18,385 --> 00:47:20,085 and it has the waiver included. 1005 00:47:20,395 --> 00:47:21,685 Okay. But it wasn't in the, 1006 00:47:22,145 --> 00:47:23,405 In the original staff report. 1007 00:47:23,475 --> 00:47:28,205 Yeah. We received VHB re, the VHB review came in 1008 00:47:28,205 --> 00:47:30,365 as the pa we were jumbling. 1009 00:47:30,625 --> 00:47:33,365 So we noticed that they had recommended a waiver 1010 00:47:34,105 --> 00:47:35,565 and we thought it would be best if the 1011 00:47:35,565 --> 00:47:36,725 board reviewed that request. 1012 00:47:37,185 --> 00:47:39,205 So I want to drill down onto 1013 00:47:40,105 --> 00:47:42,405 the late breaking news about the DOT. 1014 00:47:43,825 --> 00:47:45,965 Yes. Because the staff report says 1015 00:47:47,705 --> 00:47:51,205 the applicant is, has been unable to get a, 1016 00:47:51,385 --> 00:47:52,565 an easement correct. 1017 00:47:52,635 --> 00:47:56,685 From APPLEBY'S to use their signaled entrance. Yes. 1018 00:47:57,185 --> 00:48:01,045 And it says that the state DOT has not acknowledged 1019 00:48:01,045 --> 00:48:02,365 or reviewed that or accepted it. 1020 00:48:02,915 --> 00:48:07,845 They did this afternoon we received word from DOT today. 1021 00:48:08,265 --> 00:48:10,765 Bob Bollinger, who is handling the traffic 1022 00:48:10,865 --> 00:48:12,485 for GPI has been in contact 1023 00:48:12,635 --> 00:48:15,205 with the state when the state first reviewed the 1024 00:48:16,555 --> 00:48:20,085 application, which was about the time that we were starting 1025 00:48:20,085 --> 00:48:22,485 to do TRC, this, 1026 00:48:23,705 --> 00:48:27,205 the plan showed the access going through Applebee's. 1027 00:48:28,465 --> 00:48:31,725 And so in re looking at the plan, 1028 00:48:31,785 --> 00:48:33,725 the state didn't have any issue noting 1029 00:48:33,875 --> 00:48:36,645 that people could hit the light at Applebee's 1030 00:48:36,645 --> 00:48:37,805 and they could go left that way. 1031 00:48:40,395 --> 00:48:42,005 When we heard that 1032 00:48:43,065 --> 00:48:46,525 the landowner has not been very responsive about 1033 00:48:47,855 --> 00:48:50,405 responding to inquiries about finalizing 1034 00:48:50,545 --> 00:48:52,245 or even obtaining that easement 1035 00:48:52,595 --> 00:48:56,445 through the Applebee's property, we thought it best to take 1036 00:48:56,445 --> 00:48:59,165 that off the plan because it's not a condition 1037 00:48:59,165 --> 00:49:01,725 that like we had, they have a legal right to, so 1038 00:49:02,075 --> 00:49:05,125 that created that we can't, we've got 1039 00:49:05,125 --> 00:49:07,925 that unprotected left turn coming out of tum. 1040 00:49:08,515 --> 00:49:10,245 Okay. Which was there to begin with, 1041 00:49:10,585 --> 00:49:13,245 but we now don't have the access legally to the light. 1042 00:49:14,035 --> 00:49:16,165 Okay. I'm glad to have that clarified. 1043 00:49:16,325 --> 00:49:19,645 'cause I was about to vote no on, on jurisdiction giving 1044 00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:23,485 that we had that Mexican standoff, so, so to speak 1045 00:49:23,485 --> 00:49:24,965 with the state over access. 1046 00:49:25,605 --> 00:49:27,165 But since that's been cleared up, 1047 00:49:27,245 --> 00:49:28,765 I I have no objections at this 1048 00:49:28,765 --> 00:49:29,765 Point. 1049 00:49:29,765 --> 00:49:29,915 Okay. Thank you. 1050 00:49:32,635 --> 00:49:32,925 Okay. 1051 00:49:41,425 --> 00:49:42,765 Having read all that 1052 00:49:42,905 --> 00:49:46,605 and been pointed to the supplemental material, 1053 00:49:47,025 --> 00:49:48,765 can we have a motion on jurisdiction? 1054 00:49:51,845 --> 00:49:54,205 Mr. Chair? I move to accept, sorry 1055 00:49:55,385 --> 00:49:56,385 Mr. 1056 00:49:56,385 --> 00:49:58,405 Chair. I move to accept jurisdiction of the site plan 1057 00:49:58,425 --> 00:50:00,245 before the board for GR development. 1058 00:50:00,565 --> 00:50:03,285 PID 3 5 0 1 15 dash 1059 00:50:03,515 --> 00:50:06,325 0 0 2 10 Manchester Road. Second, 1060 00:50:07,015 --> 00:50:10,165 Moved by Melanie, seconded by Pier to accept jurisdiction. 1061 00:50:10,545 --> 00:50:14,205 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Memini? Yes. 1062 00:50:14,345 --> 00:50:15,345 Mr. O'Connor? 1063 00:50:16,225 --> 00:50:17,645 Mr. Chair, I still got a question. 1064 00:50:19,235 --> 00:50:22,925 Alright. So Of the jurisdiction taking jurisdiction. 1065 00:50:23,265 --> 00:50:24,485 So I just want clarification. 1066 00:50:24,605 --> 00:50:26,925 I I'm sorry, I I should have called for discussion. 1067 00:50:27,305 --> 00:50:29,285 So we'll, we'll, we'll do the vote over 1068 00:50:29,295 --> 00:50:31,845 after you have your discussion. I'm sorry, my 1069 00:50:32,005 --> 00:50:33,285 Question is regarding the easement. 1070 00:50:35,465 --> 00:50:39,845 If we don't have an official easement from the owners 1071 00:50:40,025 --> 00:50:44,925 of the Applebee's property, then how can we put our stamp 1072 00:50:45,865 --> 00:50:46,865 On the plan? 1073 00:50:46,865 --> 00:50:47,525 Well, my understanding is that 1074 00:50:47,525 --> 00:50:49,365 that has been removed from the plan 1075 00:50:50,025 --> 00:50:52,045 and that the DOT has accepted that. 1076 00:50:53,065 --> 00:50:54,925 So it's no longer, even, 1077 00:50:54,925 --> 00:50:56,885 even though it was in the staff report, it's now 1078 00:50:57,835 --> 00:50:58,845 overtaken by events. 1079 00:50:59,315 --> 00:51:02,285 Okay. So Is that correct? I'm relevant. 1080 00:51:02,285 --> 00:51:04,045 That's correct. So the staff report was written 1081 00:51:04,105 --> 00:51:07,525 to provide the history of, of what happened in, 1082 00:51:07,545 --> 00:51:09,925 in the process, the plan is presented 1083 00:51:09,925 --> 00:51:12,765 to the board this evening does not show an access 1084 00:51:12,765 --> 00:51:14,445 to Applebee's that is curbed off. 1085 00:51:15,395 --> 00:51:16,685 Okay. Yep. So, 1086 00:51:16,785 --> 00:51:18,925 But in the future they would have to come back if, 1087 00:51:19,065 --> 00:51:21,005 if there is an easement to be able to use that. 1088 00:51:21,145 --> 00:51:22,885 Yes. If they're able to obtain that. 1089 00:51:23,305 --> 00:51:25,725 Our discussion with the applicant was if they are able 1090 00:51:25,725 --> 00:51:28,005 to obtain that easement with Applebee's, 1091 00:51:28,235 --> 00:51:30,325 then they will come back with a site plan amendment 1092 00:51:30,785 --> 00:51:33,245 and they'll remove the curbing there and provide 1093 00:51:33,245 --> 00:51:34,565 and show the access through 1094 00:51:34,565 --> 00:51:35,565 There. 1095 00:51:35,565 --> 00:51:36,605 So is that still in negotiation? 1096 00:51:37,665 --> 00:51:38,725 We are, for the record, 1097 00:51:38,745 --> 00:51:40,605 my name is Frank do already with Ville. 1098 00:51:42,375 --> 00:51:44,885 We're still trying. We just have not succeeded. And 1099 00:51:46,065 --> 00:51:47,405 So it could happen in, in the future? 1100 00:51:47,785 --> 00:51:49,405 It, it could happen. I really Okay. 1101 00:51:49,415 --> 00:51:51,725 Can't handicap it as they sit here tonight. 1102 00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:53,045 Right. So as, as Ms. 1103 00:51:53,045 --> 00:51:55,565 Robert have said, if that were to come, then we would've a, 1104 00:51:55,565 --> 00:51:58,165 an amended site plan to review. Yes. I 1105 00:51:58,165 --> 00:51:59,485 Just wanted to make sure it was on the record. 1106 00:51:59,675 --> 00:52:02,405 Okay. So given that discussion, I'm going 1107 00:52:02,405 --> 00:52:03,605 to start the vote over again. 1108 00:52:04,105 --> 00:52:07,525 Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? 1109 00:52:07,525 --> 00:52:08,885 Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. 1110 00:52:09,345 --> 00:52:13,365 Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. 1111 00:52:13,755 --> 00:52:15,605 Maby? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes. 1112 00:52:17,145 --> 00:52:20,805 Mr. Chair? Pursuant to RSA 36 56, 1113 00:52:21,265 --> 00:52:23,645 the board finds a proposal as presented at this time, 1114 00:52:23,695 --> 00:52:26,285 meets the definition of a development of regional impact. 1115 00:52:26,345 --> 00:52:27,345 Second, 1116 00:52:27,975 --> 00:52:32,845 Moved by by now seconded by Peir 1117 00:52:32,985 --> 00:52:34,805 to find regional impact. 1118 00:52:36,885 --> 00:52:39,485 I have a question before we vote on this. 1119 00:52:39,965 --> 00:52:41,285 I don't know whether you're gonna ask the question 1120 00:52:41,305 --> 00:52:44,325 Mr. Chase, but it's about water consumption 1121 00:52:44,425 --> 00:52:47,725 and whether that affects our regional water system. 1122 00:52:47,905 --> 00:52:49,365 Our water comes through Manchester. 1123 00:52:50,665 --> 00:52:53,085 Can you guys give us some indication of what the, 1124 00:52:53,105 --> 00:52:56,765 the water consumption impact might be of this development? 1125 00:52:58,835 --> 00:53:01,365 Sure. It, we have applied for, 1126 00:53:01,465 --> 00:53:05,565 and I think the state is reviewing our wastewater discharge 1127 00:53:05,565 --> 00:53:07,765 permit, which would be about 18,000 gallons a day. 1128 00:53:07,785 --> 00:53:10,365 On the wastewater side, typically 1129 00:53:10,965 --> 00:53:13,365 because we recycle about 60% of our water, 1130 00:53:14,065 --> 00:53:16,645 our water demand is about 5% higher than that. 1131 00:53:17,425 --> 00:53:20,885 So doing the math in my head around 21,000 gallons a day 1132 00:53:20,885 --> 00:53:24,765 of water demand and 18,000 gallons a day 1133 00:53:24,765 --> 00:53:25,965 Of wastewater discharge. 1134 00:53:27,825 --> 00:53:30,765 Mr, is that a significant impact on dairy's water system? 1135 00:53:30,765 --> 00:53:32,325 It, it isn't. Mr. 1136 00:53:32,325 --> 00:53:34,205 Jeff, we're happy to have him use the water. 1137 00:53:35,345 --> 00:53:37,925 Mr. Being on the Southern New Hampshire Planning 1138 00:53:37,925 --> 00:53:40,205 Commission, we had a presentation a while back 1139 00:53:40,625 --> 00:53:42,445 and it shows where Manchester 1140 00:53:43,025 --> 00:53:45,645 is building into the Merrimack itself. 1141 00:53:45,885 --> 00:53:49,725 A very huge system that's going 1142 00:53:49,725 --> 00:53:52,045 to supplement even more than what they already have. 1143 00:53:52,505 --> 00:53:55,085 So that's for the future. So it's coming. Okay. 1144 00:53:56,185 --> 00:53:58,245 Any other questions? 1145 00:53:58,245 --> 00:54:01,325 Do you have any questions Mr. Chase before we vote? Nope. 1146 00:54:01,395 --> 00:54:03,285 Nope. Okay, then let's take the boat. 1147 00:54:05,065 --> 00:54:08,885 No, this is one commercial use 1148 00:54:08,955 --> 00:54:10,485 replacing another commercial use. 1149 00:54:10,625 --> 00:54:13,485 It will most likely not be a destination. 1150 00:54:13,485 --> 00:54:15,805 It will be relying on bypass traffic. 1151 00:54:15,825 --> 00:54:19,525 So the traffic will not be significantly more. 1152 00:54:19,945 --> 00:54:21,885 And as we had just discussed, 1153 00:54:22,245 --> 00:54:25,005 the water consumption will not be out of line with what 1154 00:54:26,185 --> 00:54:27,485 our system can handle. 1155 00:54:28,585 --> 00:54:33,155 Okay. Mr. Wood? No. For the same reasons as Mr. Chase. Mr. 1156 00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:35,715 Menini? No. For the same reasons Mr. O'Connor, 1157 00:54:35,985 --> 00:54:38,195 I'll follow suit with no Mr. Fishman No 1158 00:54:38,195 --> 00:54:39,195 For the same reasons. 1159 00:54:39,195 --> 00:54:42,275 Mr. Chair, no regional impact. Mr. Pier? No. 1160 00:54:42,275 --> 00:54:44,475 For the same reason. Mr. Maby? No. For 1161 00:54:44,475 --> 00:54:45,635 The same reasons as Mr. Chase 1162 00:54:45,775 --> 00:54:49,155 and Chair will vote no for the same reasons as Mr. Chase, 1163 00:54:51,055 --> 00:54:52,995 can I have a vote to open the public hearing? 1164 00:54:53,255 --> 00:54:57,355 So moved. Second. Moved and seconded by Maby 1165 00:54:57,355 --> 00:54:59,075 and Pier to open a public hearing. 1166 00:54:59,095 --> 00:55:02,435 All those in favor say aye. Aye. Public hearing is open. 1167 00:55:03,055 --> 00:55:05,075 So again, we may have stole a lot of your thunder, 1168 00:55:05,075 --> 00:55:08,195 but go ahead and give us your executive presentation. 1169 00:55:08,875 --> 00:55:10,355 Excellent, thank you. Good evening. 1170 00:55:11,015 --> 00:55:12,275 My name is Patrick McLaughlin. 1171 00:55:12,275 --> 00:55:14,715 I'm a civil engineer with Greenman Peterson, GPI, 1172 00:55:15,475 --> 00:55:18,195 with a local office here in Salem, New Hampshire. 1173 00:55:18,255 --> 00:55:20,835 So close by with me this evening. 1174 00:55:20,845 --> 00:55:23,195 Frank Doherty with Wash Phil, 1175 00:55:24,975 --> 00:55:29,115 Jim Waterman, also of Wash and Bob Bollinger with GPI. 1176 00:55:31,075 --> 00:55:33,995 I think from the presentation point of view, 1177 00:55:35,055 --> 00:55:37,395 if we can start on the existing condition survey 1178 00:55:37,545 --> 00:55:38,795 plan that that will be helpful. 1179 00:55:38,895 --> 00:55:40,275 And then this will be, yeah, 1180 00:55:40,275 --> 00:55:41,875 this will be a great exhibit thereafter. 1181 00:55:46,905 --> 00:55:49,635 I'll, while we scroll to that, I'll clarify a couple. 1182 00:55:50,895 --> 00:55:54,435 One item I believe we'll fact check myself 1183 00:55:55,135 --> 00:55:56,275 as I review this plan. 1184 00:55:56,515 --> 00:55:59,755 I think on the staff memo it lists the property 1185 00:55:59,895 --> 00:56:02,315 or the, the building size as 42 35 1186 00:56:02,335 --> 00:56:06,075 and I think it's for 43 25 square feet. 1187 00:56:06,095 --> 00:56:07,875 So just to clarify that for the record 1188 00:56:10,695 --> 00:56:13,595 in the memo, there's three wash lanes. 1189 00:56:13,595 --> 00:56:15,915 I want to clarify that. That is three PAE lanes 1190 00:56:16,095 --> 00:56:19,515 to ultimately condense to one wash lane. 1191 00:56:19,535 --> 00:56:22,275 And I'll describe that when I discuss site circulation. 1192 00:56:22,855 --> 00:56:27,405 And then to clarify, 22 vacuum units service, 20 1193 00:56:28,555 --> 00:56:31,205 available parking spaces to vacuum a vehicle. 1194 00:56:32,585 --> 00:56:33,845 So those were a couple of few 1195 00:56:33,845 --> 00:56:35,205 clarifications I wanted to make. 1196 00:56:36,505 --> 00:56:38,805 So on the existing conditions plan, if we can go, 1197 00:56:38,865 --> 00:56:42,285 it should be the third sheet of the PDF set. 1198 00:56:46,515 --> 00:56:50,005 Yeah. Can I ask you to help me with spatial issues? 1199 00:56:50,925 --> 00:56:53,605 Identify this building that is being demoed? 1200 00:56:54,475 --> 00:56:56,125 Yeah, so the corner of Tinkham 1201 00:56:56,185 --> 00:57:00,125 and Manchester Road has a few uses in it. 1202 00:57:01,085 --> 00:57:04,645 Historically, not most notably is probably enterprise. 1203 00:57:06,065 --> 00:57:09,925 And so that sits, yeah, just downhill, if you will, 1204 00:57:09,995 --> 00:57:13,565 down gradient along Manchester Road from, 1205 00:57:14,005 --> 00:57:15,645 from the Applebee's site. 1206 00:57:15,745 --> 00:57:18,525 The Applebee's sits at the signal. 1207 00:57:19,195 --> 00:57:23,565 This is just south of that towards Folsom, you know, 1208 00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:24,605 in the direction of the project 1209 00:57:24,675 --> 00:57:26,605 that you just discussed previously. 1210 00:57:27,325 --> 00:57:31,765 Tinkham comes out to Manchester Road currently at an 1211 00:57:32,045 --> 00:57:33,325 existing break in the median 1212 00:57:34,665 --> 00:57:37,405 and is one of the only spots along there 1213 00:57:37,405 --> 00:57:40,685 where there is allowed a break in that center median. 1214 00:57:41,755 --> 00:57:46,165 There's some other uses down ham as well, 1215 00:57:46,225 --> 00:57:50,805 but overall it's, it's a relatively small adjacent street 1216 00:57:50,825 --> 00:57:53,285 to the, to the main corridor there on Manchester Road. 1217 00:57:53,945 --> 00:57:58,085 So there's an, is this mic intermittent 1218 00:57:58,185 --> 00:57:59,285 or am I doing all right? 1219 00:57:59,545 --> 00:58:01,205 I'm trying to talk right to it. All right, great. 1220 00:58:02,395 --> 00:58:05,725 There's a, an existing multi-use building on the property. 1221 00:58:05,865 --> 00:58:07,325 Now there's a, 1222 00:58:07,545 --> 00:58:10,845 an existing right in right out driveway along the center 1223 00:58:10,865 --> 00:58:14,565 of the frontage of Manchester Road that will be closed off. 1224 00:58:16,625 --> 00:58:21,325 The, basically the entire frontage of Umab is a wide open 1225 00:58:22,865 --> 00:58:25,285 cut right now, if you will, with parking 1226 00:58:25,955 --> 00:58:29,725 essentially encroaching into the town right of way on tum. 1227 00:58:30,325 --> 00:58:33,685 And so you'll see how all of that gets narrowed up, 1228 00:58:33,785 --> 00:58:36,725 curbed off and, and well-defined as a proposed curb cut. 1229 00:58:37,735 --> 00:58:42,285 There is an existing historical cross 1230 00:58:42,285 --> 00:58:45,325 connection between the existing uses on this subject 1231 00:58:45,805 --> 00:58:48,285 property and to the Apple Applebee's. 1232 00:58:48,715 --> 00:58:52,645 Through a good amount of research there, we have identified 1233 00:58:52,645 --> 00:58:55,245 that all rights associated with that are 1234 00:58:55,785 --> 00:58:57,965 no longer in position. 1235 00:58:58,025 --> 00:59:01,365 So those have all expired to say, I guess 1236 00:59:01,365 --> 00:59:03,765 that neither party has contested 1237 00:59:03,835 --> 00:59:05,485 that it continues to be used. 1238 00:59:05,745 --> 00:59:07,885 Is, is our best summation as it relates 1239 00:59:07,885 --> 00:59:10,325 to the historical aspect of that. 1240 00:59:12,565 --> 00:59:14,525 I think that that color site plan was great, 1241 00:59:14,525 --> 00:59:16,085 if we can move to that. 1242 00:59:21,295 --> 00:59:22,565 Thank you. Yep. 1243 00:59:22,705 --> 00:59:24,485 So, so you'll see here now 1244 00:59:24,485 --> 00:59:28,325 that the proposal closes off the existing curb cut along 1245 00:59:28,325 --> 00:59:32,045 Manchester Road, we provide a new pedestrian sidewalk 1246 00:59:32,045 --> 00:59:33,125 connection there as well. 1247 00:59:33,905 --> 00:59:37,685 The entire frontage along TUM now gets closed off 1248 00:59:38,745 --> 00:59:43,325 to, to just provide a sole full access driveway, 1249 00:59:43,705 --> 00:59:46,685 the furthest distance down our tum frontage. 1250 00:59:47,665 --> 00:59:50,365 So moving that access point away from the 1251 00:59:50,365 --> 00:59:51,685 intersection at the main road. 1252 00:59:52,465 --> 00:59:56,165 So entering vehicles would come in if, 1253 00:59:56,225 --> 00:59:59,965 if a customer is choosing to go through the tunnel wash, 1254 01:00:01,035 --> 01:00:02,405 they would take a right 1255 01:00:02,785 --> 01:00:06,285 and enter into one of the three queuing lanes 1256 01:00:06,305 --> 01:00:09,805 for the automated pay lanes. 1257 01:00:10,345 --> 01:00:12,285 So those are a first come serve, 1258 01:00:12,295 --> 01:00:13,925 first come first serve scenario. 1259 01:00:14,145 --> 01:00:17,725 So some folks might be on the pass program at which it's 1260 01:00:17,725 --> 01:00:22,405 gonna scan your, your window tag and, and allow you through. 1261 01:00:22,855 --> 01:00:25,965 Other folks might be making a one-time transaction either 1262 01:00:25,985 --> 01:00:29,365 way, which, whichever transaction comes first, the gates 1263 01:00:29,745 --> 01:00:31,205 of each respective lane open 1264 01:00:31,225 --> 01:00:35,765 and that essentially meters the, the, you know, 1265 01:00:35,765 --> 01:00:38,805 the queue from, from the pay point forward so 1266 01:00:38,805 --> 01:00:42,645 that the three lanes condensed to a single 18 foot wide, 1267 01:00:43,225 --> 01:00:46,885 one way towards the entrance of the car wash. 1268 01:00:46,895 --> 01:00:49,365 Everything is circulating here in a, 1269 01:00:49,365 --> 01:00:51,685 in a counterclockwise motion, you'd come down 1270 01:00:51,715 --> 01:00:56,605 through a single, single bay of a tunnel and, 1271 01:00:56,605 --> 01:00:58,245 and exit at the bottom of the page. 1272 01:00:58,695 --> 01:01:03,325 Again, all traffic continuing to make left hand turns. 1273 01:01:03,745 --> 01:01:06,165 If you, if a customer is choosing to make 1274 01:01:07,045 --> 01:01:09,405 a stop at the vacuums, they could turn in 1275 01:01:09,405 --> 01:01:12,205 to the centrally located VAC facilities 1276 01:01:13,185 --> 01:01:15,605 or they could proceed back out to Tcom 1277 01:01:15,625 --> 01:01:16,765 and, and be on their way. 1278 01:01:18,695 --> 01:01:20,645 Conversely, if a customer was coming in 1279 01:01:20,645 --> 01:01:23,725 and wanted to use the VAC facilities first, 1280 01:01:24,155 --> 01:01:26,125 that is two-way Yep. 1281 01:01:26,385 --> 01:01:29,845 To allow that to happen, you'll see a one-way arrow 1282 01:01:30,865 --> 01:01:32,805 to the left of that stop bar, 1283 01:01:32,855 --> 01:01:35,325 which is headed back towards the tunnel exit. 1284 01:01:35,385 --> 01:01:39,525 So from a certain point that bottom access way is, 1285 01:01:39,745 --> 01:01:43,165 is noted with do not enters to facilitate. 1286 01:01:43,625 --> 01:01:46,005 Yep. Where, where the cursor is now is a, 1287 01:01:46,585 --> 01:01:48,005 is an emergency bypass. 1288 01:01:48,345 --> 01:01:50,845 So you've, you've already paid for your wash if you're, 1289 01:01:50,845 --> 01:01:52,085 if you've made it to that point. 1290 01:01:52,985 --> 01:01:57,205 So we provide two bypass scenarios in the event 1291 01:01:57,235 --> 01:02:01,645 that if the, there's a service issue at, at the, the roller 1292 01:02:01,705 --> 01:02:05,605 or the tunnel and, you know, via customers need 1293 01:02:05,605 --> 01:02:08,045 to be taken out of the queue in order to, you know, 1294 01:02:08,065 --> 01:02:10,285 get maybe one vehicle out or something like that. 1295 01:02:10,285 --> 01:02:13,005 There's opportunities to, to bypass down 1296 01:02:13,025 --> 01:02:15,045 and through the vacuums out of the queue. 1297 01:02:16,035 --> 01:02:19,085 Similarly, there's a bypass lane around the far side 1298 01:02:19,545 --> 01:02:23,965 of the building that also will allow employees 1299 01:02:23,985 --> 01:02:26,205 who park in the top left corner of this plant 1300 01:02:27,225 --> 01:02:29,925 to exit the site at the end of their shift. 1301 01:02:31,065 --> 01:02:33,285 So that's the, the general site orientation. 1302 01:02:33,725 --> 01:02:37,965 This has been, as the staff memo noted, reviewed with, 1303 01:02:37,995 --> 01:02:41,565 with the highway safety, we've gone through TRC, so we've 1304 01:02:42,245 --> 01:02:45,245 adequately, you know, addressed site circulation in terms 1305 01:02:45,305 --> 01:02:47,965 of fire apparatus and fire access 1306 01:02:48,025 --> 01:02:49,485 and circulation through the site. 1307 01:02:51,225 --> 01:02:53,245 The vacuums are centrally located 1308 01:02:54,505 --> 01:02:58,045 and condensed to, you know, what a, 1309 01:02:58,445 --> 01:03:02,045 a sole purpose u utilitarian type area in the middle of, 1310 01:03:02,045 --> 01:03:05,765 of the property landscape perimeter around the outsides. 1311 01:03:07,555 --> 01:03:11,005 I'll note the location of the trash enclosure kind 1312 01:03:11,005 --> 01:03:12,565 of again in that top left corner. 1313 01:03:13,345 --> 01:03:16,005 As the staff memo noted, we are requesting a waiver 1314 01:03:16,105 --> 01:03:17,285 for the location of that. 1315 01:03:17,965 --> 01:03:21,365 There's a few reasons why that ended up there. 1316 01:03:21,545 --> 01:03:23,845 One, you know, the redevelopment of the site, one 1317 01:03:23,845 --> 01:03:26,285 of our aims was to really 1318 01:03:27,035 --> 01:03:29,285 provide more green space perimeter we talked about 1319 01:03:29,285 --> 01:03:31,525 how we closed things off along both frontages, 1320 01:03:31,985 --> 01:03:34,565 we significantly reduced impervious coverage 1321 01:03:34,565 --> 01:03:35,725 with this redevelopment. 1322 01:03:37,235 --> 01:03:41,285 There's that potential for the future cross connection. 1323 01:03:41,305 --> 01:03:44,685 So the bottom left corner of, of this plan view wanted 1324 01:03:44,685 --> 01:03:47,325 to remain vacant from any obstructions. 1325 01:03:48,985 --> 01:03:51,525 And so we looked at a few spots and, 1326 01:03:51,645 --> 01:03:54,205 and ultimately with, with, you know, access 1327 01:03:54,265 --> 01:03:56,525 and circulation for the, for the trash vehicle, 1328 01:03:56,635 --> 01:03:58,845 that spot up, up top made the most sense. 1329 01:03:59,275 --> 01:04:02,165 There's also, it would be a little tough to indicate, 1330 01:04:02,165 --> 01:04:05,005 but if you look on the Applebee's side of the, of the plan, 1331 01:04:05,005 --> 01:04:08,445 those, those diagonal lines coming down indicate a, 1332 01:04:08,505 --> 01:04:09,765 an existing sewer easement 1333 01:04:09,765 --> 01:04:13,245 that does traverse this property comes down below the, 1334 01:04:13,865 --> 01:04:15,405 the new car wash building 1335 01:04:15,465 --> 01:04:17,725 and then turns along that access road. 1336 01:04:17,755 --> 01:04:19,325 It's underneath my hatch patterns 1337 01:04:19,325 --> 01:04:20,445 on this version of the plan. 1338 01:04:20,545 --> 01:04:23,805 But that was another area that was encumbered that we needed 1339 01:04:23,805 --> 01:04:25,925 to keep, you know, certain site features out of. 1340 01:04:26,785 --> 01:04:29,205 And so we thought working with staff at 1341 01:04:29,205 --> 01:04:32,085 that trash enclosure location was the most reasonable 1342 01:04:32,225 --> 01:04:33,765 for all factors considered 1343 01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:40,685 typical storm water and new utility connections. 1344 01:04:40,735 --> 01:04:42,245 Staff memo, again, notes. 1345 01:04:43,465 --> 01:04:45,845 So we won't have any trenching out in Manchester Road 1346 01:04:45,845 --> 01:04:47,805 for any new utility hookups. 1347 01:04:49,215 --> 01:04:52,325 Sewer can actually be reconnected via existing 1348 01:04:52,325 --> 01:04:54,445 infrastructure within the property boundaries. 1349 01:04:55,575 --> 01:04:57,725 Water will be a new connection on tum. 1350 01:04:57,725 --> 01:05:02,565 There'll be an overlay of, of the tum roadway associated 1351 01:05:02,565 --> 01:05:05,085 with that trench work that's been discussed 1352 01:05:05,085 --> 01:05:06,525 and coordinated with DPW. 1353 01:05:07,225 --> 01:05:11,285 Gas comes off at TUM as well via new service 1354 01:05:11,665 --> 01:05:13,885 and electric runs along the bottom 1355 01:05:14,525 --> 01:05:17,925 boundary via some overhead. 1356 01:05:17,925 --> 01:05:21,685 That actually does come through an easement currently 1357 01:05:21,865 --> 01:05:23,405 and services Applebee's. 1358 01:05:23,405 --> 01:05:25,685 So there'll be a little bit of relocating 1359 01:05:25,685 --> 01:05:28,685 and working with the utility company to, to realign some, 1360 01:05:29,355 --> 01:05:31,485 some electrical easements as needed. 1361 01:05:32,945 --> 01:05:35,285 But, so that's the, the run through of all the, 1362 01:05:35,585 --> 01:05:36,685 the utility hookups. 1363 01:05:38,215 --> 01:05:40,645 Storm water, again, the, the approach was 1364 01:05:40,645 --> 01:05:43,045 to significantly reduce impervious coverage. 1365 01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:46,725 So we, we came in somewhere around, I want 1366 01:05:46,725 --> 01:05:48,165 to say 9,500 square feet 1367 01:05:48,165 --> 01:05:51,725 of reduction in impervious coverage for redevelopment. 1368 01:05:51,825 --> 01:05:54,685 So that aims 1369 01:05:54,705 --> 01:05:58,405 to provide additional groundwater recharge just 1370 01:05:58,505 --> 01:06:00,485 by increasing green space areas. 1371 01:06:02,095 --> 01:06:05,925 Everything in existing condition kind of flows 1372 01:06:06,865 --> 01:06:10,565 in a uncontrolled manner out that, you know, 1373 01:06:10,565 --> 01:06:12,245 that unrestricted curb cut 1374 01:06:12,245 --> 01:06:13,805 and just goes into the right of way 1375 01:06:13,805 --> 01:06:16,285 and down into the, into the roadway system. 1376 01:06:16,585 --> 01:06:19,405 So we capture everything now with a closed drainage system, 1377 01:06:21,155 --> 01:06:23,925 deep sum catch basins with hooded outlets 1378 01:06:24,345 --> 01:06:28,605 and through a a hydrodynamic separator unit 1379 01:06:28,705 --> 01:06:31,805 before it, we connect physically into 1380 01:06:31,805 --> 01:06:33,565 the, the roadway system. 1381 01:06:33,705 --> 01:06:36,445 And so there's been improvements to stormwater as well 1382 01:06:37,665 --> 01:06:38,965 as it relates to stormwater. 1383 01:06:38,985 --> 01:06:41,005 The one waiver that Yeah, that did come in 1384 01:06:41,645 --> 01:06:44,405 that it sounds like is in the back of your packets is for 1385 01:06:45,265 --> 01:06:48,085 one of the LDCR criteria specific to, 1386 01:06:48,085 --> 01:06:49,165 to the stormwater water. 1387 01:06:55,975 --> 01:06:57,085 Happy to answer questions. 1388 01:06:57,145 --> 01:06:59,365 Oh, and I'm not, yeah, I'm not an architect, 1389 01:06:59,385 --> 01:07:02,365 but the architectural is at the end of the packet and, 1390 01:07:02,385 --> 01:07:03,605 and we're certainly happy to, 1391 01:07:03,825 --> 01:07:05,205 to review that with you as well. 1392 01:07:05,675 --> 01:07:06,675 Okay. 1393 01:07:12,125 --> 01:07:14,445 Questions from the board, Mr. O'Connor? 1394 01:07:14,955 --> 01:07:16,405 Yeah, my question to you is, 1395 01:07:16,585 --> 01:07:19,085 can you go over a little bit about the soil contamination 1396 01:07:19,505 --> 01:07:22,565 and the wells that I'm assuming you took samples of? 1397 01:07:24,155 --> 01:07:28,645 Sure. So the, this site is across from the 1398 01:07:29,325 --> 01:07:31,765 contamination site across Manchester Road 1399 01:07:32,505 --> 01:07:35,805 and there it's down gradient of that contamination. 1400 01:07:36,505 --> 01:07:40,085 And there are wells on location for two purposes. 1401 01:07:40,585 --> 01:07:43,845 One is relating to that contaminated site across the street 1402 01:07:44,705 --> 01:07:45,845 and those wells. 1403 01:07:45,915 --> 01:07:48,045 This is a great, great picture here. 1404 01:07:48,335 --> 01:07:51,445 Those wells are just pretty close to the right 1405 01:07:51,445 --> 01:07:53,045 of way along Manchester Road. 1406 01:07:53,045 --> 01:07:55,525 There's three wells, so they're outside the limit 1407 01:07:55,545 --> 01:07:58,965 of our work and therefore will not disturb them. 1408 01:08:01,625 --> 01:08:03,405 Second set of of 1409 01:08:03,545 --> 01:08:05,245 or second contamination issue 1410 01:08:05,245 --> 01:08:07,165 that historically has been presented was 1411 01:08:07,985 --> 01:08:09,485 way back when this was a gas station 1412 01:08:10,225 --> 01:08:11,885 and there's some record information 1413 01:08:11,945 --> 01:08:14,445 of some previous underground storage tanks. 1414 01:08:14,445 --> 01:08:18,005 We couldn't locate them in the environmental site assessment 1415 01:08:18,005 --> 01:08:20,325 that we did, but out of respect for 1416 01:08:20,325 --> 01:08:21,365 that historical knowledge 1417 01:08:21,365 --> 01:08:23,525 and concerns for the town, we've agreed to monitor 1418 01:08:23,625 --> 01:08:25,685 during construction, the soils. 1419 01:08:26,305 --> 01:08:29,205 And typically you would do that with a, it's called a PID 1420 01:08:29,205 --> 01:08:30,365 or it's a meter that you would 1421 01:08:31,295 --> 01:08:34,445 understand the volatile organic content in the soil 1422 01:08:34,465 --> 01:08:36,525 as you move it around, if you hit a certain threshold, 1423 01:08:36,955 --> 01:08:40,365 then you've triggered a notification with the state 1424 01:08:40,705 --> 01:08:43,405 to manage that contaminated soil if it exists at all. 1425 01:08:43,905 --> 01:08:45,205 So what the town has said is, 1426 01:08:45,205 --> 01:08:47,685 please do a soil management plant anticipating that 1427 01:08:47,685 --> 01:08:50,805 that may occur and if so, what's the proper procedure? 1428 01:08:50,905 --> 01:08:52,165 So we've agreed to do that. 1429 01:08:53,335 --> 01:08:55,325 There may be no contamination there at all, 1430 01:08:56,385 --> 01:08:58,685 but if there is, we're well armed to deal 1431 01:08:58,685 --> 01:09:01,845 with it appropriately and take any measures needed 1432 01:09:01,985 --> 01:09:03,325 to control it. 1433 01:09:03,425 --> 01:09:05,925 And we're working with the town on that. Good, thank you. 1434 01:09:06,035 --> 01:09:07,035 Okay, 1435 01:09:09,425 --> 01:09:10,425 Any other questions? 1436 01:09:13,065 --> 01:09:16,325 So just to get an idea of, of our words of 1437 01:09:16,385 --> 01:09:17,885 of usage and traffic flow. 1438 01:09:19,025 --> 01:09:21,085 Are you familiar with the Ville site on 1439 01:09:21,085 --> 01:09:22,205 Loudoun Road in Concord? 1440 01:09:23,345 --> 01:09:26,085 Yes. So can you let us know what, 1441 01:09:26,085 --> 01:09:28,645 what has your experience been there in terms 1442 01:09:28,845 --> 01:09:30,885 of when people use it, you know, 1443 01:09:30,985 --> 01:09:32,525 how many trips per day, things like that. 1444 01:09:33,465 --> 01:09:38,205 I'm gonna actually ask Jim Waterman from Wash. 1445 01:09:43,955 --> 01:09:47,925 Okay. Actually, yeah. 1446 01:09:48,145 --> 01:09:50,005 And we'll have Bob Bollinger, 1447 01:09:50,005 --> 01:09:51,565 our traffic engineer speak to that. 1448 01:09:53,675 --> 01:09:57,365 Alright, well thank you. 1449 01:10:00,995 --> 01:10:02,285 Good afternoon Mr. 1450 01:10:02,295 --> 01:10:03,845 Chair, members of the board for the record. 1451 01:10:03,945 --> 01:10:07,165 Bob Bollinger, professional engineer with Greenman Peterson 1452 01:10:07,715 --> 01:10:09,845 here this evening on behalf of the applicant. 1453 01:10:11,925 --> 01:10:14,245 I can give you a broad answer, 1454 01:10:16,145 --> 01:10:17,405 but I do want 1455 01:10:17,405 --> 01:10:19,885 to let you know since you specifically asked about the 1456 01:10:19,885 --> 01:10:22,205 Concord New Hampshire site, how we developed. 1457 01:10:22,205 --> 01:10:24,925 We've been doing a lot of work with Wash Phil over the years 1458 01:10:25,585 --> 01:10:26,685 and in order to come up 1459 01:10:26,685 --> 01:10:28,685 with a more realistic trip generation estimate 1460 01:10:28,685 --> 01:10:31,765 for their sites for this particular project, 1461 01:10:31,865 --> 01:10:34,765 we actually surveyed three existing Wash Phil sites, 1462 01:10:35,105 --> 01:10:37,445 one in Methuen, Massachusetts, one in Kingsboro, 1463 01:10:37,445 --> 01:10:39,845 Massachusetts, and the third being on Loudoun Road 1464 01:10:39,845 --> 01:10:40,925 in Concord, New Hampshire. 1465 01:10:41,225 --> 01:10:43,165 So that kind of gives us an aggregate base. 1466 01:10:43,355 --> 01:10:46,085 There's a procedural method to the madness, if you will. 1467 01:10:46,385 --> 01:10:48,165 If you're gonna collect local data, you want 1468 01:10:48,165 --> 01:10:50,045 to collect it at at least three locations. 1469 01:10:50,385 --> 01:10:52,605 So we felt that that was sufficient for, 1470 01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:54,365 for our purposes here. 1471 01:10:56,865 --> 01:11:00,045 In terms of trip generation, it may be more important, 1472 01:11:00,835 --> 01:11:02,285 perhaps more realistic 1473 01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:05,445 to talk about the actual delta over what's 1474 01:11:05,445 --> 01:11:06,485 there, if you will. 1475 01:11:07,085 --> 01:11:09,685 Obviously the site, there's existing commercial entities 1476 01:11:10,305 --> 01:11:11,405 on the property now 1477 01:11:12,345 --> 01:11:14,085 and based on our calculations 1478 01:11:14,845 --> 01:11:18,805 during the weekday AM peak hour, it's virtually a wash 1479 01:11:18,945 --> 01:11:21,605 and no pun intended, with that we're talking about a, 1480 01:11:21,725 --> 01:11:25,285 a single digit increase in peak hour traffic in the AM 1481 01:11:26,125 --> 01:11:27,525 weekday PM peak hour. 1482 01:11:27,615 --> 01:11:29,365 We're actually expecting a decrease 1483 01:11:29,395 --> 01:11:30,645 over what is presently there. 1484 01:11:31,945 --> 01:11:33,965 Our largest overall delta would be 1485 01:11:33,965 --> 01:11:35,805 during the Saturday midday condition. 1486 01:11:35,815 --> 01:11:39,045 We're expecting about a 95 vehicle increase over 1487 01:11:39,045 --> 01:11:40,405 what's there presently. 1488 01:11:41,745 --> 01:11:46,525 So based on that order of magnitude, we don't think 1489 01:11:46,525 --> 01:11:50,085 that there would be any significant alteration 1490 01:11:50,465 --> 01:11:55,085 to prevailing traffic operations as was indicated earlier. 1491 01:11:55,385 --> 01:11:58,365 And I do appreciate staff for the additional information 1492 01:11:58,365 --> 01:11:59,845 that was conveyed to the board re 1493 01:11:59,845 --> 01:12:01,845 regarding our DOT discussions. 1494 01:12:02,705 --> 01:12:06,805 The board DOT felt fit to issue a permit 1495 01:12:06,825 --> 01:12:08,605 for this project back in March. 1496 01:12:08,835 --> 01:12:11,125 Obviously we wanted to get DOT's opinion 1497 01:12:11,225 --> 01:12:14,685 as well since the matter with the cross access connection 1498 01:12:14,685 --> 01:12:16,845 with Applebee's is I guess still a matter 1499 01:12:16,865 --> 01:12:18,285 of potential discussion. 1500 01:12:19,305 --> 01:12:22,925 And we received finally word today that DOT was satisfied 1501 01:12:23,225 --> 01:12:25,565 and that they felt that the original permit was still 1502 01:12:25,655 --> 01:12:26,965 valid for this project. 1503 01:12:27,425 --> 01:12:29,205 So, sorry, I might have given you a little bit more 1504 01:12:29,205 --> 01:12:30,525 information than you asked for there, 1505 01:12:30,525 --> 01:12:32,765 but again, I just wanted to provide some slightly 1506 01:12:32,975 --> 01:12:35,325 additional context to that. So 1507 01:12:35,325 --> 01:12:36,325 Thank you Very much. 1508 01:12:36,325 --> 01:12:37,085 Thank you. Thank you. 1509 01:12:37,585 --> 01:12:39,405 Any other questions from the board? 1510 01:12:41,585 --> 01:12:44,125 Any questions from members of the public, either any present 1511 01:12:44,265 --> 01:12:45,485 or online? 1512 01:12:45,485 --> 01:12:46,965 Please come forward. Give your name 1513 01:12:46,965 --> 01:12:50,285 and address for the record and make your comments 1514 01:12:50,385 --> 01:12:51,725 or make or ask your questions. 1515 01:12:57,675 --> 01:13:00,045 Good evening. My name is Bonnie Beam. 1516 01:13:00,185 --> 01:13:02,285 I'm the pastor at Journey Church, 1517 01:13:02,415 --> 01:13:05,205 which is at five Tinkham Ave. 1518 01:13:05,995 --> 01:13:09,845 Just one building over from the proposed site. 1519 01:13:10,585 --> 01:13:14,685 And we currently have a, 1520 01:13:15,225 --> 01:13:19,525 an offsite sign that's on the corner of Tinkham 1521 01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:23,125 and Manchester that we were told 1522 01:13:24,365 --> 01:13:26,925 belonged that area belonged to that building. 1523 01:13:27,145 --> 01:13:29,685 And so we've been paying rent for that space 1524 01:13:31,225 --> 01:13:32,965 to have the sign out there. 1525 01:13:33,805 --> 01:13:37,005 I don't know what is proposed for that sign. 1526 01:13:37,945 --> 01:13:42,325 We would like to keep our signage down there just 1527 01:13:42,545 --> 01:13:45,205 to help people find us down on av. 1528 01:13:46,905 --> 01:13:50,365 The gymnastics studio PRA is also, 1529 01:13:50,755 --> 01:13:54,245 they have a sign on there on our, our posts 1530 01:13:54,625 --> 01:13:58,125 and I know they have expressed the desire for 1531 01:13:58,125 --> 01:13:59,605 that sign to continue. 1532 01:14:00,865 --> 01:14:03,005 We have the Salvation Army that has 1533 01:14:03,885 --> 01:14:06,765 recently moved into our building and is operating there 1534 01:14:07,345 --> 01:14:09,925 and they would like to have some road front signage as well. 1535 01:14:11,385 --> 01:14:13,285 And the quilt shop down the road 1536 01:14:13,355 --> 01:14:16,685 that just moved in last summer would like to have that. 1537 01:14:16,865 --> 01:14:20,645 So our major concern is just 1538 01:14:20,675 --> 01:14:25,325 that we would still be able to have signage there somehow. 1539 01:14:27,945 --> 01:14:30,205 And I don't know if that's gonna be removed. 1540 01:14:31,065 --> 01:14:32,765 It, it is our sign, so we'd like 1541 01:14:32,765 --> 01:14:36,525 to have it back if it gets removed, that kind of thing. 1542 01:14:37,305 --> 01:14:39,205 So that's, that's one of our concerns. 1543 01:14:40,235 --> 01:14:43,045 Another, which I think you may have addressed 1544 01:14:43,045 --> 01:14:44,285 already, was water flow. 1545 01:14:44,315 --> 01:14:48,285 Just knowing that the amount of water that is going 1546 01:14:48,285 --> 01:14:51,805 to be used by a car wash, if that would impact any 1547 01:14:51,805 --> 01:14:54,365 of our businesses on that street as far 1548 01:14:54,365 --> 01:14:56,525 as water pressure or anything like that. 1549 01:14:57,705 --> 01:15:01,525 And then the concern over that left hand turn at the end 1550 01:15:01,525 --> 01:15:06,045 of tum, which already is quite challenging at peak hours 1551 01:15:06,705 --> 01:15:10,325 and to have a lot of additional flow 1552 01:15:10,465 --> 01:15:12,445 of traffic trying to get out there 1553 01:15:13,335 --> 01:15:15,605 would be really difficult. 1554 01:15:15,745 --> 01:15:19,205 So I might request that the town of dairy do something about 1555 01:15:19,235 --> 01:15:20,405 that area. 1556 01:15:20,505 --> 01:15:23,085 If there's a traffic light maybe that could get put in 1557 01:15:23,145 --> 01:15:25,285 or something. 1558 01:15:25,375 --> 01:15:26,965 We're just have concern about that. 1559 01:15:27,345 --> 01:15:29,485 So typically traffic lights 1560 01:15:30,105 --> 01:15:33,565 on state roads are under the control estate. 1561 01:15:33,785 --> 01:15:37,845 Oh, okay. But with respect 1562 01:15:37,865 --> 01:15:42,125 to traffic flow, you heard the, the applicant indicate that 1563 01:15:42,995 --> 01:15:46,525 most times of the day they're gonna be at parity, right? 1564 01:15:46,555 --> 01:15:48,325 Very close to existing 1565 01:15:48,325 --> 01:15:52,005 and the only major increment was midday on Saturdays. 1566 01:15:52,745 --> 01:15:57,485 So what is the traffic flow without asking 1567 01:15:57,505 --> 01:16:01,605 for an engineering, you know, sort of just your perception 1568 01:16:01,625 --> 01:16:04,925 of when is the busiest time for, for your church 1569 01:16:04,985 --> 01:16:07,005 and any the other businesses you're speaking for? 1570 01:16:07,795 --> 01:16:09,405 Well, I, I can speak for our church 1571 01:16:09,405 --> 01:16:13,085 that it would be Sunday mornings midday would be our time 1572 01:16:13,105 --> 01:16:14,205 of our peak time. 1573 01:16:15,165 --> 01:16:17,805 I know for the gymnastics studio in the late afternoon 1574 01:16:18,025 --> 01:16:22,605 and into the evening when they have classes that end 1575 01:16:22,705 --> 01:16:26,085 or start, there's a much heavier flow of traffic 1576 01:16:26,675 --> 01:16:30,605 down tinkham and trying to get in and out of the end there. 1577 01:16:31,665 --> 01:16:34,765 And that's during the week weekdays. 1578 01:16:35,305 --> 01:16:38,885 So probably not a major overlap in timing, but 1579 01:16:39,885 --> 01:16:42,165 Probably not, I mean I I would assume their, 1580 01:16:42,585 --> 01:16:44,765 the car wash would be open on Sundays 1581 01:16:45,065 --> 01:16:46,285 so they might have a peak. 1582 01:16:46,475 --> 01:16:48,525 Yeah, well you can ask them to hours when they come back 1583 01:16:48,525 --> 01:16:51,405 to, to comment specifically on, on that as well. 1584 01:16:51,675 --> 01:16:55,445 Yeah, I don't know that there's much that the planning board 1585 01:16:55,445 --> 01:16:57,085 of the town can do with regard 1586 01:16:57,085 --> 01:16:59,805 to traffic control devices on a state road. 1587 01:16:59,985 --> 01:17:03,965 So we're, we're kind of at the mercy 1588 01:17:04,065 --> 01:17:05,405 of the state in that regard. 1589 01:17:05,405 --> 01:17:07,085 And they don't like to put too many 1590 01:17:07,085 --> 01:17:08,805 stoplights close to each other. I know that. 1591 01:17:09,365 --> 01:17:11,125 I understand. That would be quite congested. 1592 01:17:11,865 --> 01:17:14,725 Do you have any additional insight, Mr. LaRue? 1593 01:17:17,025 --> 01:17:18,205 As far as traffic flow, 1594 01:17:18,325 --> 01:17:20,565 I am concerned about queuing at Tinker Mav 1595 01:17:21,025 --> 01:17:22,325 during peak periods. 1596 01:17:22,745 --> 01:17:25,645 I'm still concerned about not having that easement 1597 01:17:25,745 --> 01:17:26,405 and I think it's 1598 01:17:30,415 --> 01:17:33,265 important to encourage the owner to continue to seek 1599 01:17:33,265 --> 01:17:36,185 that out because right now is 1600 01:17:37,745 --> 01:17:39,305 probably not the peak condition, 1601 01:17:39,445 --> 01:17:44,225 but I know with foray opening in full swing in the coming 1602 01:17:44,275 --> 01:17:48,425 years, trying to take a left hand turnout there 1603 01:17:49,405 --> 01:17:52,185 is, is going to be extremely difficult. 1604 01:17:52,335 --> 01:17:53,825 Most times. I think, 1605 01:17:54,165 --> 01:17:59,105 and you know, we've talked about this in staff, 1606 01:17:59,285 --> 01:18:02,905 you know, it's important to try to have connectivity 1607 01:18:02,935 --> 01:18:07,145 with other businesses as far as 1608 01:18:08,895 --> 01:18:11,625 getting, getting people in and outta sites 1609 01:18:12,285 --> 01:18:15,105 and getting 'em into better PO positions to be able 1610 01:18:15,105 --> 01:18:18,745 to access a a a, a signalize intersection 1611 01:18:18,885 --> 01:18:19,905 or anything of that matter. 1612 01:18:20,445 --> 01:18:23,825 You know, just trying to move traffic in that way, 1613 01:18:23,965 --> 01:18:25,265 trying to spread it out. 1614 01:18:25,545 --> 01:18:28,465 'cause obviously the ideal pattern here would be right in 1615 01:18:28,465 --> 01:18:31,665 right out of AV and, 1616 01:18:31,725 --> 01:18:34,225 and similar to the other car wash where 1617 01:18:34,965 --> 01:18:35,985 we were just talking about, 1618 01:18:36,535 --> 01:18:38,905 it's a right in right out kind of scenario. 1619 01:18:39,405 --> 01:18:42,385 If you have the opportunity to have traffic go 1620 01:18:42,465 --> 01:18:44,665 to a signalize intersection, that's ideal. 1621 01:18:45,805 --> 01:18:47,945 So I'm gonna show my ignorance here. 1622 01:18:48,025 --> 01:18:51,025 I I haven't been down Tinkham Avenue anytime recently. 1623 01:18:52,525 --> 01:18:56,785 Are there any, we go back road access options for people 1624 01:18:56,785 --> 01:18:59,145 who, who don't wanna wait in, in, in the queing? 1625 01:18:59,225 --> 01:19:02,505 'cause I can, I imagine a left hand turn onto Manchester 1626 01:19:02,505 --> 01:19:04,505 Road in the, in the post four a condition 1627 01:19:04,885 --> 01:19:07,945 and an unsigned intersection could be challenging. 1628 01:19:08,205 --> 01:19:09,205 Yep. 1629 01:19:09,445 --> 01:19:10,505 It is a dead end road, 1630 01:19:11,045 --> 01:19:14,545 so there is no other entrance or exit. 1631 01:19:15,295 --> 01:19:15,585 Okay. 1632 01:19:20,335 --> 01:19:23,305 I'll invite the applicant to the applicant to come back up 1633 01:19:23,325 --> 01:19:25,985 and maybe address some of those concerns from, 1634 01:19:26,055 --> 01:19:27,665 from your butter. 1635 01:19:33,095 --> 01:19:36,065 Certainly. So Bonnie, 1636 01:19:36,185 --> 01:19:38,105 I think I heard three general questions. 1637 01:19:38,645 --> 01:19:41,305 One relates to signage, two relates to water, 1638 01:19:41,325 --> 01:19:44,025 and third relates to desire for a traffic light. 1639 01:19:44,105 --> 01:19:47,385 I think we talked through the traffic light option in terms 1640 01:19:47,445 --> 01:19:50,225 of what I heard, it's a state jurisdiction 1641 01:19:50,325 --> 01:19:52,665 and I'll leave that up in terms 1642 01:19:52,685 --> 01:19:54,745 of whatever future planning may allow for that. 1643 01:19:55,485 --> 01:20:00,145 So let me talk to the first two comments that, that, 1644 01:20:00,175 --> 01:20:03,745 that Pastor Beam said first related to water. 1645 01:20:04,065 --> 01:20:07,485 I, we have done the calculations, 1646 01:20:07,605 --> 01:20:08,885 I think the staff has agreed 1647 01:20:08,885 --> 01:20:11,485 that there will be no adverse impact. 1648 01:20:11,505 --> 01:20:16,285 Who am our water use to the, the, the area which leaves the, 1649 01:20:17,065 --> 01:20:20,365 the only issue of the, as we call it offsite signage, 1650 01:20:22,075 --> 01:20:25,405 that sign right now is within the state right of, 1651 01:20:25,525 --> 01:20:26,685 it's not on our property. 1652 01:20:28,155 --> 01:20:33,005 However, while I'm not a huge 1653 01:20:33,025 --> 01:20:34,645 fan of quilting or gymnastics, 1654 01:20:34,725 --> 01:20:36,005 I do encourage you to go to church. 1655 01:20:36,105 --> 01:20:39,205 So what we like to do is to accommodate the request for all 1656 01:20:39,205 --> 01:20:41,365 of the tenants if zoning would allow it 1657 01:20:41,705 --> 01:20:45,245 to put their sign on our pylon sign below our sign. 1658 01:20:45,345 --> 01:20:48,925 So rather than have this what you currently have, 1659 01:20:49,275 --> 01:20:50,645 we'd be happy to have all three 1660 01:20:50,645 --> 01:20:54,165 of those tenants on our sign if zoning would allow it at our 1661 01:20:54,165 --> 01:20:56,445 cost to be a good neighbor. 1662 01:20:56,445 --> 01:20:57,925 And to encourage what you currently have, 1663 01:20:57,925 --> 01:21:00,325 what your people going into the, 1664 01:21:00,505 --> 01:21:03,325 So is there signage in the, in the re review package? 1665 01:21:03,565 --> 01:21:04,965 I didn't notice we talked about that. 1666 01:21:04,965 --> 01:21:06,605 That's what I'm looking for too. There's a, 1667 01:21:08,335 --> 01:21:13,165 Sorry, there is for Wash V, there is a proposed 1668 01:21:13,905 --> 01:21:14,925 ID sign location. 1669 01:21:15,675 --> 01:21:18,245 It's on the corner of Ham. And 1670 01:21:19,305 --> 01:21:20,445 Do you know what sheet that's on? 1671 01:21:21,245 --> 01:21:24,125 Let me look on the site. On the site plan. 1672 01:21:24,745 --> 01:21:29,645 If you look in on the right hand side. Oh, here it is. 1673 01:21:29,705 --> 01:21:31,725 Yep. Right there. Yep. 1674 01:21:31,985 --> 01:21:34,325 And then you can see if you look right up where the, 1675 01:21:34,525 --> 01:21:37,285 where the pin is on the corner, just to the right of 1676 01:21:37,285 --> 01:21:41,285 that you can see the, the gray outline of the existing sign 1677 01:21:41,285 --> 01:21:43,085 for Journey Church in Esra. 1678 01:21:44,995 --> 01:21:49,365 Okay. So the plan is to remove the existing pylon sign 1679 01:21:49,365 --> 01:21:50,605 that's in the state right of away? 1680 01:21:50,755 --> 01:21:54,405 Correct. And as to zoning, do we have any 1681 01:21:56,145 --> 01:21:58,645 issues with off, off-premise signs? 1682 01:21:59,445 --> 01:22:01,525 Typically with an off-premise sign, you need 1683 01:22:01,525 --> 01:22:04,445 to have a lease agreement with the property owner 1684 01:22:05,585 --> 01:22:08,765 and that had been secured originally. 1685 01:22:10,885 --> 01:22:13,525 I think everyone, until the survey was done, believed that 1686 01:22:13,525 --> 01:22:15,765 that sign was located on the, 1687 01:22:16,965 --> 01:22:20,645 I still call it the dial a drug property on, at that, 1688 01:22:21,785 --> 01:22:23,205 at that business location. 1689 01:22:24,145 --> 01:22:26,845 So I believe that it, we just need 1690 01:22:26,845 --> 01:22:28,205 to do signed permits for that. 1691 01:22:28,305 --> 01:22:30,325 If there's anything additional, I will reach out. 1692 01:22:31,515 --> 01:22:33,845 Yeah, we'll be happy to participate in any document 1693 01:22:33,845 --> 01:22:35,325 that's needed to make that legal 1694 01:22:35,505 --> 01:22:38,285 and be happy at our cost to include them on our sign. 1695 01:22:39,755 --> 01:22:42,405 Okay. Any other questions 1696 01:22:42,405 --> 01:22:45,485 or comments from the public, either physically present 1697 01:22:45,545 --> 01:22:50,405 or remote chair c Your honor, eyes line. 1698 01:22:50,835 --> 01:22:52,645 Okay, back to the board. 1699 01:22:54,225 --> 01:22:57,485 Who said had a quick question on the hours of operation, 1700 01:22:57,505 --> 01:23:00,365 is it a 24 7 type operation or 1701 01:23:00,785 --> 01:23:01,785 No, it's not. 1702 01:23:01,785 --> 01:23:03,565 Let me just take a moment and talk about the operation. 1703 01:23:03,625 --> 01:23:08,165 So the hours are Monday, the plan. 1704 01:23:09,265 --> 01:23:10,845 Oh, okay. 1705 01:23:11,385 --> 01:23:12,885 It, it, it's also on the plan, 1706 01:23:12,945 --> 01:23:14,725 but I, I'll just sort of, it's okay. 1707 01:23:14,945 --> 01:23:16,725 It, it's Monday through Saturday, 1708 01:23:18,615 --> 01:23:21,925 7:30 PM AM to 7:00 PM 1709 01:23:22,835 --> 01:23:27,645 then Sunday eight to five, our operation is fully staffed, 1710 01:23:27,645 --> 01:23:29,045 so typically between three 1711 01:23:29,045 --> 01:23:31,365 to five employees will be on site at all times. 1712 01:23:32,195 --> 01:23:33,325 There's no self-service. 1713 01:23:34,185 --> 01:23:35,645 So it's, it's different than, than others. 1714 01:23:35,645 --> 01:23:38,445 In other words, we have this single tunnel, 1715 01:23:40,025 --> 01:23:42,525 the vacuums are not operational when our 1716 01:23:42,725 --> 01:23:43,765 facility is closed. Oh, 1717 01:23:43,765 --> 01:23:44,765 Okay. 1718 01:23:45,065 --> 01:23:46,445 If there's, you know, 1719 01:23:46,475 --> 01:23:50,125 excessive noise from people vacuuming their cars, we have, 1720 01:23:50,225 --> 01:23:52,565 you know, employees that politely walk over 1721 01:23:52,565 --> 01:23:54,485 and ask them to not be as loud, 1722 01:23:55,425 --> 01:23:57,725 but it's, it's a completely different operation than, 1723 01:23:57,795 --> 01:24:00,765 than others in that regard. So. Very 1724 01:24:00,765 --> 01:24:01,765 Good. 1725 01:24:01,765 --> 01:24:04,095 Thank you. Okay. 1726 01:24:06,515 --> 01:24:11,175 And as, as to the architecturals, it seemed appropriate 1727 01:24:11,435 --> 01:24:14,015 to me for industrial two district, 1728 01:24:14,015 --> 01:24:16,735 and I assume that's your, your corporate look 1729 01:24:19,155 --> 01:24:24,015 It is and you know, it, we found it appropriate. 1730 01:24:24,045 --> 01:24:25,855 It's, you know, it's a gateway to, to dairy 1731 01:24:25,995 --> 01:24:29,575 and we, we realize that with that designation, you wanna try 1732 01:24:29,575 --> 01:24:31,815 to find a balance between, you know, 1733 01:24:32,155 --> 01:24:34,015 an appropriate appearance for commercial use. 1734 01:24:34,885 --> 01:24:36,255 That is our corporate look. 1735 01:24:36,255 --> 01:24:38,255 We might, could we call it the elevation? 1736 01:24:38,255 --> 01:24:39,335 Would that be possible? 1737 01:24:40,175 --> 01:24:42,335 Yeah, I think so. Owen, would you mind putting the 1738 01:24:42,365 --> 01:24:44,095 architectural backup? Thank 1739 01:24:44,095 --> 01:24:45,095 You. 1740 01:24:45,095 --> 01:24:45,735 I'm not sure who was managing, 1741 01:24:45,735 --> 01:24:47,495 looking the wrong way. I'm sorry. No, it's, 1742 01:24:47,565 --> 01:24:49,135 It's the video guy who's managing it. 1743 01:24:49,435 --> 01:24:50,435 All right. 1744 01:24:53,325 --> 01:24:55,005 I think it's right at near the end. Should 1745 01:24:55,005 --> 01:24:56,005 Be the end. 1746 01:24:56,005 --> 01:24:56,915 Yeah. 1747 01:25:01,015 --> 01:25:05,275 PT at the very end. 19. There 1748 01:25:05,275 --> 01:25:06,275 You go. 1749 01:25:06,275 --> 01:25:08,675 There we go. This is generally our corporate look. 1750 01:25:08,675 --> 01:25:12,635 It's been modified to respect the design criteria that, 1751 01:25:12,635 --> 01:25:13,795 that dairy has. 1752 01:25:15,135 --> 01:25:19,075 For instance, the articulation has been modified 1753 01:25:19,095 --> 01:25:20,355 to break up the long wall. 1754 01:25:20,475 --> 01:25:23,875 A a, a tunnel by its nature is a long rectangle that 1755 01:25:24,535 --> 01:25:26,755 has plenty of opportunity to be boring. 1756 01:25:28,135 --> 01:25:30,915 And we added a lot of breaks along that wall. 1757 01:25:30,915 --> 01:25:34,035 We've added canopies, we've defined the e customer entrance, 1758 01:25:34,975 --> 01:25:36,315 use various materials. 1759 01:25:37,295 --> 01:25:39,475 So it is our modified corporate image 1760 01:25:39,535 --> 01:25:41,515 to respect the design criteria 1761 01:25:41,575 --> 01:25:43,075 as our architects interpret it. 1762 01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:48,355 Okay. Alright. Any other questions? 1763 01:25:50,635 --> 01:25:54,275 I have, I have a question. You said be fully staffed three 1764 01:25:54,275 --> 01:25:55,275 to five employees. 1765 01:25:55,655 --> 01:26:00,395 I'm, I'm seeing three parking spaces, 1766 01:26:00,615 --> 01:26:03,485 one of them being a handicap spot that you had 1767 01:26:04,225 --> 01:26:05,845 stated would be employee parking. 1768 01:26:06,905 --> 01:26:09,765 So I, I'm just wondering if parking will be adequate. 1769 01:26:11,565 --> 01:26:14,185 We, we have found that it is adequate, you know, again, 1770 01:26:14,185 --> 01:26:16,585 we prefer not to put out more pavement than we need there. 1771 01:26:18,455 --> 01:26:20,105 Some of those employees don't drive. 1772 01:26:20,495 --> 01:26:23,905 Some are, you know, high schools, some live locally, 1773 01:26:23,975 --> 01:26:25,185 some commute with their friends. 1774 01:26:25,285 --> 01:26:29,905 So we have 20, 28 of these facilities 1775 01:26:29,905 --> 01:26:32,985 that we operate in our experience, we don't need three 1776 01:26:32,985 --> 01:26:35,025 to five parking spaces for our employees 1777 01:26:35,565 --> 01:26:37,105 and an interest to reduce pavement. 1778 01:26:37,105 --> 01:26:38,625 That's why we have proposed what we have. 1779 01:26:40,615 --> 01:26:43,385 Okay. All right. 1780 01:26:43,405 --> 01:26:45,265 If there, if there are no more questions, 1781 01:26:45,265 --> 01:26:47,785 then maybe a motion to close the public hearing. 1782 01:26:48,605 --> 01:26:49,945 So moved. Second. 1783 01:26:50,585 --> 01:26:53,145 Moved by O'Connor, second by Pier 1784 01:26:53,145 --> 01:26:54,185 to close the public hearing. 1785 01:26:54,665 --> 01:26:56,625 Everyone in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. 1786 01:26:56,625 --> 01:26:57,945 Public hearing is closed. 1787 01:26:58,245 --> 01:27:02,745 So we will now move on to discussion of waivers. 1788 01:27:04,645 --> 01:27:06,745 Mr. Chair, can we, would we like 1789 01:27:06,745 --> 01:27:08,185 to take both these waivers together? 1790 01:27:09,275 --> 01:27:10,705 Why'd you take 'em separately? Separately. 1791 01:27:11,295 --> 01:27:12,825 Alright, Mr. 1792 01:27:12,835 --> 01:27:16,345 Chair, I moved to grant a waiver from LDCR section one 70 1793 01:27:17,015 --> 01:27:21,985 dash 67 B one to allow the dumpster to be located five 1794 01:27:21,985 --> 01:27:23,745 and a half feet from the north property line 1795 01:27:23,955 --> 01:27:25,505 where 25 feet is required. 1796 01:27:26,075 --> 01:27:29,265 After review of the waiver request, the board finds 1797 01:27:29,265 --> 01:27:31,465 that specific circumstances relative to the plan 1798 01:27:31,725 --> 01:27:34,105 or conditions of the land in such plan indicate 1799 01:27:34,105 --> 01:27:35,985 that the waiver will properly carry out the spirit 1800 01:27:36,005 --> 01:27:37,265 and intent of the regulations. 1801 01:27:37,285 --> 01:27:38,285 Second, 1802 01:27:38,825 --> 01:27:41,945 Moved by Mallee, seconded by Pier to grant 1803 01:27:42,545 --> 01:27:43,905 a waiver for the dumpster. 1804 01:27:44,045 --> 01:27:48,785 Any discussion if not Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. 1805 01:27:49,005 --> 01:27:52,865 Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ello? 1806 01:27:53,045 --> 01:27:56,505 Yes. Pelletier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes. 1807 01:27:57,045 --> 01:27:59,705 And then the other waivers in the appendix, right? 1808 01:28:00,005 --> 01:28:01,265 Yes. Mr. 1809 01:28:01,275 --> 01:28:05,145 Chair, I moved to grant the waiver from LDCR section one 70 1810 01:28:05,255 --> 01:28:08,905 dash 65 C to not require the stormwater design 1811 01:28:08,905 --> 01:28:11,505 to achieve 50% removal of total nitrogen 1812 01:28:11,505 --> 01:28:12,665 and total phosphorus. 1813 01:28:13,355 --> 01:28:15,025 After review of the waiver requests, 1814 01:28:15,025 --> 01:28:16,585 the board finds its strict conformity. 1815 01:28:16,585 --> 01:28:19,145 The regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship 1816 01:28:19,325 --> 01:28:21,705 to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary 1817 01:28:21,705 --> 01:28:23,865 to the spirit intent of the regulations. Second, 1818 01:28:24,315 --> 01:28:28,065 Moved by Malibu, seconded by Pier to grant a waiver on 1819 01:28:28,995 --> 01:28:30,225 wastewater filtering. 1820 01:28:30,765 --> 01:28:31,765 Any discussion? 1821 01:28:33,365 --> 01:28:37,065 I'd like to, are you okay with this waiver, Mr. Laue? 1822 01:28:37,455 --> 01:28:39,385 Yeah, I mean, it's a difficult site. 1823 01:28:40,285 --> 01:28:41,545 You don't ever want to do 1824 01:28:42,945 --> 01:28:45,225 exfiltration into the ground when you have 1825 01:28:45,625 --> 01:28:46,745 contamination possibilities. 1826 01:28:47,485 --> 01:28:51,025 And I I you we know that there's a lot of ledge there too, 1827 01:28:51,245 --> 01:28:52,905 so it's not like it's gonna work either. 1828 01:28:53,535 --> 01:28:58,305 Okay. Okay. Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? 1829 01:28:58,565 --> 01:29:02,205 Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. 1830 01:29:02,305 --> 01:29:06,085 Mr. Chair Cello? Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Malam? Yes. Chair votes? 1831 01:29:06,185 --> 01:29:08,965 Yes. And on the architecture, 1832 01:29:09,305 --> 01:29:10,305 Mr. 1833 01:29:10,305 --> 01:29:14,325 Chair, I move to find that pursuant to LDCR one 70 dash 85 1834 01:29:14,635 --> 01:29:17,325 that the application as presented demonstrates substantial 1835 01:29:17,325 --> 01:29:19,845 compliance with the architectural design regulations. 1836 01:29:20,355 --> 01:29:22,805 This property is located in the industrial two zoning 1837 01:29:23,125 --> 01:29:26,805 district and meets a medium high of level of compliance. 1838 01:29:26,825 --> 01:29:28,525 Is outlined in section one 70 dash 1839 01:29:28,525 --> 01:29:29,525 84. 1840 01:29:29,525 --> 01:29:33,445 Second, moved by Malam, seconded by ER to grant, 1841 01:29:34,675 --> 01:29:37,645 make findings that the architecture meets our regs. 1842 01:29:37,725 --> 01:29:40,725 And I wanna thank the applicant for making some 1843 01:29:41,315 --> 01:29:43,805 modifications to their corporate look 1844 01:29:43,825 --> 01:29:45,205 to better fit in dairy. 1845 01:29:45,225 --> 01:29:47,445 We, we do appreciate that. You're welcome. 1846 01:29:47,625 --> 01:29:50,285 We look forward to being your comments. Looks 1847 01:29:50,285 --> 01:29:51,285 Like granite's the bottom. 1848 01:29:53,155 --> 01:29:55,605 Yeah. Are you gonna go there? Okay. 1849 01:29:55,885 --> 01:29:57,805 MO Mr. Chase. Well, I was, 1850 01:29:57,965 --> 01:30:00,685 I was banned at highway safety 'cause of a comment I made. 1851 01:30:00,785 --> 01:30:01,785 So 1852 01:30:03,785 --> 01:30:04,785 Mr. 1853 01:30:04,785 --> 01:30:05,405 Nessi would be so proud. 1854 01:30:05,715 --> 01:30:07,925 Yeah. So we have a former board member 1855 01:30:07,925 --> 01:30:09,245 who's a fetish for granite. 1856 01:30:09,515 --> 01:30:12,565 Well send him an, send him an email. Randy? Yeah. Pardon? 1857 01:30:12,675 --> 01:30:16,565 Send him an email. Yeah. Alright. So, Mr. Chase? Yes. 1858 01:30:17,025 --> 01:30:20,605 Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. 1859 01:30:20,605 --> 01:30:24,525 Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ella? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. 1860 01:30:24,525 --> 01:30:26,925 Chair votes? Yes. And on findings of fact, 1861 01:30:27,705 --> 01:30:28,705 Mr. 1862 01:30:28,705 --> 01:30:30,285 Chair, the board finds the proposed plan provides safe 1863 01:30:30,285 --> 01:30:34,085 and efficient vehicular and pedestrian access in the design 1864 01:30:34,085 --> 01:30:35,605 and construction of the access ways 1865 01:30:35,625 --> 01:30:36,805 and walkways are adequate 1866 01:30:36,805 --> 01:30:38,445 to accommodate the anticipated volume 1867 01:30:38,465 --> 01:30:40,165 of traffic proposed by development. 1868 01:30:40,865 --> 01:30:43,165 The board finds the proposed parking plan is adequate 1869 01:30:43,165 --> 01:30:44,885 for the site and meets the parking density 1870 01:30:44,885 --> 01:30:46,045 requirements for the use. 1871 01:30:46,945 --> 01:30:48,925 The board finds the landscape plan meets the 1872 01:30:48,925 --> 01:30:49,965 intent of the regulations. 1873 01:30:51,025 --> 01:30:53,045 The board finds the stormwater management 1874 01:30:53,045 --> 01:30:54,565 as proposed is designed 1875 01:30:54,565 --> 01:30:56,245 to control the post-development runoff. 1876 01:30:56,245 --> 01:30:58,605 So it does not exceed pre-development runoff. 1877 01:31:00,345 --> 01:31:03,045 The board finds utility construction standards are met 1878 01:31:03,625 --> 01:31:05,285 and the board finds exterior lighting, 1879 01:31:05,395 --> 01:31:06,885 snow storage provisions and erosion 1880 01:31:06,985 --> 01:31:09,205 and sediment control provisions are adequate. 1881 01:31:10,025 --> 01:31:12,565 The board makes findings of fact as listed above 1882 01:31:12,705 --> 01:31:15,965 Second motion by Mr. 1883 01:31:16,105 --> 01:31:19,885 Mallee, second by Palatir to make findings of fact as read. 1884 01:31:20,505 --> 01:31:24,805 Any discussion? Not Mr. Chase. Yes. Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. 1885 01:31:24,905 --> 01:31:29,725 Menini? Yes. Mr. Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Ello? 1886 01:31:29,825 --> 01:31:32,165 Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Melby? Yes. 1887 01:31:32,375 --> 01:31:34,685 Chair Votes? Yes. And on the approval, 1888 01:31:35,065 --> 01:31:36,065 Mr. 1889 01:31:36,065 --> 01:31:36,965 Chair, after review and deliberation 1890 01:31:36,965 --> 01:31:38,365 of the site plan application 1891 01:31:38,385 --> 01:31:42,965 for PID 3 51 15 dash 0 0 2 1892 01:31:43,425 --> 01:31:46,365 GR development, the board finds the applicant is satisfied 1893 01:31:46,365 --> 01:31:48,805 the general requirements of the land Development control 1894 01:31:48,805 --> 01:31:52,045 regulations or in cases where the regulation cannot be met, 1895 01:31:52,225 --> 01:31:53,805 has satisfied the waiver requirements. 1896 01:31:54,315 --> 01:31:56,605 Therefore, the motion is to approve pursuant 1897 01:31:56,605 --> 01:32:01,245 to the RSA 6 76 4 Roman one completed application 1898 01:32:01,555 --> 01:32:05,925 with the following conditions, conditions precedent comply 1899 01:32:05,925 --> 01:32:09,445 with the right pierce VHB review letters subject 1900 01:32:09,465 --> 01:32:12,725 to owner's signature, establish appropriate escrow 1901 01:32:12,725 --> 01:32:13,885 as required to complete the project. 1902 01:32:15,235 --> 01:32:16,885 Note approved waivers on the plan, 1903 01:32:17,905 --> 01:32:20,725 obtain written approval from the planning director designee 1904 01:32:20,725 --> 01:32:23,605 that the GIS submission is received and is operable 1905 01:32:23,625 --> 01:32:28,405 and it complies with LDCR section one 70 dash 61 C. 1906 01:32:29,355 --> 01:32:31,285 Subject to receipt of applicable state 1907 01:32:31,285 --> 01:32:34,685 or local permits relating to the project submission 1908 01:32:34,685 --> 01:32:37,685 of written correspondence from N-H-D-O-T confirming they 1909 01:32:37,685 --> 01:32:38,925 have reviewed the amended plan, 1910 01:32:39,335 --> 01:32:42,365 which is removing the access easement to 14 Manchester 1911 01:32:42,825 --> 01:32:45,445 and D-O-C-D-O-T is still satisfied. 1912 01:32:45,565 --> 01:32:47,005 A new permit is not required 1913 01:32:47,105 --> 01:32:50,365 and meets best practices for safety conditions. 1914 01:32:50,365 --> 01:32:51,765 Precedent should be met within six months 1915 01:32:52,945 --> 01:32:55,445 and then the conditions subsequent subject 1916 01:32:55,585 --> 01:32:58,005 to the onsite inspection by the towns engineer. 1917 01:32:58,705 --> 01:33:00,645 And if a plume is hit during construction, 1918 01:33:01,105 --> 01:33:03,365 the soils management plan will be submitted 1919 01:33:03,385 --> 01:33:05,885 and there will be onsite inspection by the town engineer 1920 01:33:05,905 --> 01:33:07,165 and environmental coordinator. 1921 01:33:07,225 --> 01:33:09,645 Second. Okay. 1922 01:33:10,095 --> 01:33:12,525 Moved by Mel v, seconded by Pier 1923 01:33:12,525 --> 01:33:13,925 to grant conditional approval. 1924 01:33:13,925 --> 01:33:14,925 Any, 1925 01:33:15,345 --> 01:33:17,085 Should we strike seven or 1926 01:33:17,145 --> 01:33:19,565 Is it, well that basically just ask 1927 01:33:19,745 --> 01:33:22,285 for written evidence of the correspondence. 1928 01:33:22,305 --> 01:33:25,005 So that seems to be reasonable to ask for. 1929 01:33:25,105 --> 01:33:26,365 We probably have it already. So 1930 01:33:27,145 --> 01:33:30,405 We we do, but so you get a condition done already? 1931 01:33:30,875 --> 01:33:32,685 Yeah, we, yeah. Yeah. Check out. Be happy. 1932 01:33:32,685 --> 01:33:35,165 There you go. Be happy to comply with that one. Okay. 1933 01:33:36,325 --> 01:33:37,445 Anything else? Yeah, 1934 01:33:40,525 --> 01:33:43,525 I was wondering if we could put something under, 1935 01:33:43,895 --> 01:33:48,285 under the conditions precedent about the sign issue 1936 01:33:49,055 --> 01:33:52,925 about putting signage for the neighboring organizations. 1937 01:33:53,365 --> 01:33:55,765 I don't know if that's something we can do. 1938 01:33:56,525 --> 01:33:58,165 I don't think we can. I don't think so. 1939 01:33:58,305 --> 01:34:02,125 That's, that's I think between, yeah, 1940 01:34:02,235 --> 01:34:04,125 it's a civil agreement. We have no jurisdiction. 1941 01:34:04,175 --> 01:34:07,645 Right. Okay. I'm was kind of, yeah, thinking 1942 01:34:07,645 --> 01:34:10,005 that was likely the case, but where there was 1943 01:34:10,005 --> 01:34:11,525 A, that's a, that's a goodwill gesture 1944 01:34:11,585 --> 01:34:12,605 on the applicant's part, right? 1945 01:34:12,755 --> 01:34:15,445 Yeah. Okay. 1946 01:34:15,525 --> 01:34:16,685 I mean it is on, on the record, 1947 01:34:16,745 --> 01:34:18,925 but it is probably not officially enforceable. 1948 01:34:19,145 --> 01:34:22,925 So hopefully you will work out something with your neighbors 1949 01:34:22,925 --> 01:34:24,685 and I take you at your word there. 1950 01:34:25,265 --> 01:34:27,525 We look forward to it. Anything else? 1951 01:34:30,445 --> 01:34:34,425 No. Alright. On, on motion then. Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Wood? 1952 01:34:34,525 --> 01:34:38,745 Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. 1953 01:34:38,885 --> 01:34:42,145 Mr. Chair Cello? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. 1954 01:34:42,155 --> 01:34:45,305 Chair votes? Yes. Congratulations and welcome Gary. Yes. 1955 01:34:45,595 --> 01:34:48,185 Thank you very much and we appreciate the board's time 1956 01:34:48,185 --> 01:34:49,385 and effort and as well 1957 01:34:49,385 --> 01:34:52,985 as the staff over the last few months, so thank you. 1958 01:34:53,955 --> 01:34:57,365 Thank you. Alright, so we're now 1959 01:34:57,365 --> 01:34:58,485 onto board member comments. 1960 01:35:00,105 --> 01:35:04,005 Anyone have comments to share with us? No. 1961 01:35:04,035 --> 01:35:07,645 Then be happy to fish for a motion to adjourn. So moved. 1962 01:35:07,705 --> 01:35:11,085 Second. Moved by Malibu, seconded by Pier to adjourn. 1963 01:35:11,085 --> 01:35:14,485 All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Stand adjourned.