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Welcome to the Town of Dairy Planning Board meeting0

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for August 5th, 2026.

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We start our meetings with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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If you could rise and join me, that'd be appreciated.

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I pledge Allegiance six of America

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Republic Overstanding obligation under God indivisible,

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with liberty and Justice for all.

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I'll start with some housekeeping items.

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The planning board voluntarily continues

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to offer remote participation.

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If any member of the planning board participates remotely,

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votes shall be by roll call.

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so if you need assistance, please wait for first responders.

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At this point, I'll introduce all the staff

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and members who are present tonight.

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To my far right is Mr.

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Appleton, one of our alternates. Good evening.

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Good to see you again. Of

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Course. It's been a

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Little bit.

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Yeah, it's been a little bit. Mr. Mie, good evening.

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And our newest alternate, Mr. Young. Good evening.

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Welcome guys. Our planning director, Ms. Robo.

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Good evening, our planning intern. Ms. Burl. Good evening.

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Our planning clerk, Ms. Wilson.

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We are missing Mr. Chase,

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but we don't have his alternate,

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so we can't seat someone for him.

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Regular member Mr. Wood. Evening, Mr. Minney.

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Good evening, vice chair. Mr. O'Connor. Good evening.

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My far left is Mr.

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Aven, who makes all the remote video and teleconferencing

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and, and magic stuff happen.

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Thank you for that. Good evening member Mr. Fisherman.

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Hello town Administrators representative Mr. Ello.

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Good evening. We are missing Mr. Pier this evening.

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So I would ask Mr. Appleton to sit in his absence please

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and our secretary, Mr.

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Maby. Hello, I'm Dave Nelson. I'm the chair.

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Up. First on the agenda is matters of escrow.

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We have a number of items tonight.

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First is item 26 dash 24 18 Cemetery Road,

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strategic Contracting.

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Okay, so this is a cash escrow.

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The parcel ID

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and location is map five lot 69 18 Cemetery Road.

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The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount

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of $3,535 for the above noted project.

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This escrow will be non-interest bearing

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Mr.

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Board's pleasure. Mr. Chair.

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I still move. Second move by O'Connor, seconded

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by Melanie to accept the escrow represented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Veni? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

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Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Chair Keller? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes.

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Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

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Next item is 26 dash 25 8 and a half.

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Or excuse me, 80 and a half English Range Road. TJB homes.

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Okay. The project name is Ball Farm Heights.

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This is also Cash Escrow Map 18. Oh no, I'm sorry.

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Map 11 lot 87 dash one.

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The address of 80.5 English Range Road.

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The request is to approve release number one in the amount

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of $12,247 50 cents for the above noted project.

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The amount to be retained is $5,750.

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This account is also non-interest bearing.

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And Mr. Chair, I still move on this

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Action.

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Second. Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malam

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to accept the escrow is presented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fishman? Yes. Mr. Church? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr.

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Ma alibi a Yes please.

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And the chair votes? Yes.

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Yeah. I'm trying to set a speed record telling.

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Maybe this is not the good way to do it. Next item.

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26 dash 26 43 0.5. Crystal Avenue, Grindhouse Meat Company.

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Okay, so this is a letter of credit

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map 32 lot 25 dash three at 43 and a half.

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Crystal Avenue three request is

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to establish letter of credit.

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1 0 0 9 4 drawn on Kennebunk Bank in the amount

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of $488,589 for the above noted project.

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The expiration date will be July 27th of 28.

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I so move Mr. Chair. Second.

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Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Maby

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to approve the escrow as presented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fishman? Yes. Mr. Cella? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Maby?

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Yes. Chair votes? Yes. Next item is

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oddly enough, 26 dash 27 12 a

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street EPSI.

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Okay, this is for Engineered Pressure Systems

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Incorporated, located on Map eight lot one

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sub lots two dash three on 12 a street.

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The request is to establish cash escrow in the amount

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of $365,525 20 cents

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for the above noted project.

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This escrow will be non-interest bearing.

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Mr. Chair. I so move. Second

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Move by O'Connor, seconded by Melanie

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to approve the escrow is presented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Vinni? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Chairo? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr.

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Maby? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes.

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Then we move on to 26 dash 28 for 71 Burt Street,

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dairy, plumbing and Heating.

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Okay. This is for the new building.

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This is also a letter

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of credit Map 28 lot 2 71 Birch Street.

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The request is to re approve a release of letter of credit.

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8 2 4 6 1 8 4 0 drawn on Haverhill Bank in the amount

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of $93,581 25 cents for the above noted project.

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The amount to retain is 3050 $3 and 25 cents.

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Mr. Chair, I so move. Second.

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Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malam

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to approve the release as presented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Min? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman?

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Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes.

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Chair votes Yes. Down

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to 26 29 74 Rockingham Road, Keystone Dairy. Okay,

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This is for the residences at Sky.

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This is also a letter

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of credit map five lot 39 74 Rockingham Road.

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The request is to approve a release of letter of credit.

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4 8 7 5 9 dash one drawn on Enterprise Bank in the amount

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of $463,914

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and 20 cents for the above noted project.

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The account the amount to retain is $106,295

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and 36 cents.

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And I so move Mr. Chair.

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Second move by O'Connor, seconded by Melanie

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to approve the release as presented.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fisherman? Yes. To chair cell? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr.

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Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.

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And then I think last we have 26 30 84 Island Pond Road

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on Belize Real Estate.

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Okay. This is a cash escrow

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for Map six Lot 1784 Island Pond Road.

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The request is to re approve a release

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of cash escrow in the amount

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of $15,795 25 cents

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for the above noted project.

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The amount to retain is $18,837.

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This account is also non-interest bearing.

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Mr. Chair. I so move.

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Second. Okay.

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It is moved by O'Connor, seconded by Melanie

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to approve the release as presented.

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Just a quick question, Mr. Chair. Yes.

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I'm just a little bit confused.

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We're releasing 15,795,

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but we're retaining 18,008.

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Yep. Hold on. The retaining is more

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than what we're releasing.

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The original, the original amount was 34,000. Okay. 632.

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Oh, you've seen that page too.

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Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. Oh,

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Thank you.

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Yep. Okay.

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Any other issues, questions? No. Mr. Wood?

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Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes.

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Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes.

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Chair Lewis? Yes. Now we move

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on to approval of minutes.

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We have before in minutes of July 8th, 2026.

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Has everyone had a chance to review them?

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Are there any errors or omissions

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Mr.

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Chair seen? No. And rise

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and I move to accept as written. Second,

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Moved by oconnor, seconded by Malam to approve the minutes

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of July 8th, 2026 as written.

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Quick question, Mr. Chairman. Again. Sorry.

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So on page two in the second box, there's a date change

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in pen, in red pen. So,

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So it'd be, oh, we We're appro

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If we could do it as As amended.

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As amended. Oh, okay. Yeah.

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So did, did did we initially distribute them with the, the,

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the third in there and then fix it for tonight?

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Yes. Okay. Yes.

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So then, then as it should be approved,

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as amended.

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Amended. Alright. Great. Thank

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You Mr.

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Chair. I'll accept a friendly amendment from Mr.

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Ello to accept the

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change from June oh three to correct it to June 17th, 2026.

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Okay. Second. So moved.

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Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

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Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Chair Cello? Yes. Mr. Appleton? I will

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Have seen 'cause I was not present.

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Mr. Maby? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes.

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Next on the agenda is correspondence.

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So I got a few things for you tonight, Mr. Chair.

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The first is a notice

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of land use board fees under RSA

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6 73 16 Roman three.

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That's as of July 21st.

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This year it's the abut notification.

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It is now the current certified fee,

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which is 6 33 plus $3 per notice.

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It's just letting us know that the postage is increased

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by 29 cents per certified letter.

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So make sure you pitch your pennies.

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Is that something that we need to act on to

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revise our schedule at some point?

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I will take a look in the,

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I think the only place we may actually, no, we say

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current certified return receipt

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or current certified fee plus the $3.

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So,

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Alright.

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And then the other item is a, it's a letter

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that was received on July 10th from Jacob LaFontaine,

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who's the planning director for the town of Salem.

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Just letting us know that there's gonna be a,

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an agenda item on the August 11th meeting at 7:00 PM Salem

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Town Hall to let us know there's been an update

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to master plan update 3.0 to the West Village.

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So that's obviously been a, been a big thing

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with, with Tuscan Village.

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So if you have any questions, any, any interest in that one?

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It's gonna be on the 11th.

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Okay, great. Thank you.

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Now we move on to other business.

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First item is Architectural Design Review

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for a sign in the West Running Brook.

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District Parcel ID

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0 5 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 1 94

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Rockingham Road, dead Proof Pizza Company.

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All right. The town

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of dairy zoning ordinance section 1 65 dash

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oh one 12 a 14 requires

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that all new signs proposed in the West Running Brook

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District be reviewed by the planning board prior

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to the issuance of a sign permit.

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The architectural design of the sign should be compatible

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with the building and their surroundings.

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Be informative, legible,

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and provide examples of quality graphics appropriate

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to the spirit of the district.

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The applicant is requesting two signs

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to be internally illuminated.

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Signs in this district cannot be internally illuminated

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without approval, and no sign may contain neon

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argon or krypton.

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Therefore, the planning board must approve the internal

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illumination of these signs.

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Dead Proof Pizza Co is operating at 94 Rockingham Road,

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the former Clam Haven location.

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A sample of the proposed signs are attached as well

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as a rendering of proposed future changes to the facade

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of the existing structure

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to include not under review at this time.

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In addition to the building,

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the rendering shows a future addition to the building,

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which is not under review at this time.

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It is being presented to the board, preemptive

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to any official submittal for site plan amendment.

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Part of the facade has artwork along

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the bottom half of the building.

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The board should discuss this as a part of the sign package.

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Our code enforcement officer deems this piece a sign.

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So take that into consideration when discussing.

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The West Running Brook district was designed

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to retain the unique character of

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that differs from the other commercial districts,

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given its proximity to the West Running Brook

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and reviewing plans under these regulations.

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The planning board shall take into account the level

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of expected compliance based on the zoning

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district in which the development is to occur

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as defined in Section one 70 dash 84.

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The nature of the surrounding uses style

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of the surrounding buildings

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and special features of historic cultural

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or community interests in the vicinity of the development.

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A very high level of compliance with regulations is required

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for the West Running Brook.

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Additionally, the LDCR section one 70 dash 84 A one B

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states applicant's must comply with a very high compliance

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with architectural design regulations when it comes

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to non-residential structures.

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Per the general requirements

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of the West Running Brook Broad expands, broad expands

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of blank walls are inappropriate.

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Traditionally, the parts of a facade that may be embellished

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or at least articulated in some fashion include the

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horizontal base where the building meets the ground

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and the areas around the windows depth shall be created

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for the facade through the use of projecting

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or resending sections, bay windows or arcades and porches.

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Subtle colors are appropriate on larger plain buildings,

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whereas smaller buildings

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with more detail can be more effectively in

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incorporate brighter colors.

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Bright colors should be limited to accent areas,

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high intensity colors, metallic colors

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or fluorescent colors should not be used.

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Buildings on the on corner lots shall be significant

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or shall be considered significant structures given

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that they have at least two front facing, visibly exposed,

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front facing, two front facades visibly, visibly exposed

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to the street buildings

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with more than one facade facing a public street

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or internal open space shall be architecturally designed

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to be consistent regarding style, materials, color

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and details on all sides facing the street.

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Bland walls are a service area, treatment of sides and

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or rear elevations visible from the public view

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shed is discouraged.

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Our recommendation to the board is

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to approve the proposed signage.

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The board should review the structure rendering

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to determine if the proposed sign change meets the

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requirements of the district.

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The owner, Dante, is here

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to answer any questions you may

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have to the proposed signage.

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Okay. So this is a little unusual

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because we have just a sign, actually there's a

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billboard sign on top of a the roof

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and then there's the pillar sign, correct.

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In the parking lot. So there's two what we typically think

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of as signs,

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but we also have a rendering of

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something for future consideration.

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If I understand the application correct, that shows

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changes to the, the, the actual structure itself.

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Some structural things such as an extension of a,

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a lean to kind of porch thing, creating a bar area

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and extensive decoration of the front.

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And does it also include the side or is it just one side?

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My understanding is no, not at this time.

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So the initial for the facade change,

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my understanding is Dante had indicated to me that he wanted

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to paint the building black.

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And so I said that that does require review.

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Dante can explain a little bit more.

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You know, the, the more in depth the potential changes he

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under is, he understands that any additions

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to the building would require site plan review.

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But this was more of a, if he were going to add to it,

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like maybe we wanna get feedback on

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what the building's going to look like

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and then, you know, if he does paint it black then you know,

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this piece should be under review

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if that's going to be added.

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But I'll let Dante can explain that a little bit

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Further.

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Run down what you're planning to do for us. Please.

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Yeah, good evening everybody. How are you following up?

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So first and foremost, thank you for your time.

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I appreciate it. This is the first time I've ever been a

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part of a planning board meeting, so

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forgive me if I'm a little behind on things.

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But really the, the goal first

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and foremost is we all know, you know,

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clam haven to be this destination.

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And I love, I grew up in Derry, I still live here

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and I respect the land in the building so much that,

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you know, when Lisa was so great, Gracely

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allowed me to come into the space.

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I wanted to, you know, treat it as a destination

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that I know it, it could be,

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and drive the potential of that.

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I've been very fortunate over these past few years

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to have a really good following

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that has followed me from being in a tent all the way

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to being in this building.

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Now in dairy, we were just featured on Food Network,

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which was really awesome to, you know, really awesome

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to represent dairy and the following

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and just continuing to get bigger and bigger.

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And the reason because of that,

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our branding is really strong

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and I wanted to reflect

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that in the building due to all that.

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Really the sign was the biggest thing.

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I have people coming up to me every single day thinking clam

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haven's still open, which is, you know,

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which I wish I could say yes and, and help them out.

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But, you know, for as mu as strong

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as we are on the internet, there's obviously some folks in

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the town that don't use it.

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So they come by looking for the clamp plate

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and the hot dog deal and they're just not gonna find it.

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So, you know,

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turning them away has become a daily occurrence.

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So having this sign is just gonna go a long

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way into our branding.

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And as far as the color of the building,

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I know black sounds a little aggressive,

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but when it comes to our brand, it's really just

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to accentuate the color, the color of it.

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So, you know, we're a very big art driven brand.

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We love supporting community artists

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and we love having, like when I was in Manchester

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for example, I had a lot of people come in

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that actually had their art in my building either to sell

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or just they wanted it displayed in a place that, you know,

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liked where they would get eyes on it and

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and have a place to express themselves.

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So that's kind of where the the black comes from in terms

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of having something to be there if we were to go

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with this course and putting something on the building.

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But I'm not there yet. You know,

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for me it's really just the sign

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and the color of the building that I would really love

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to just, you know, see if we can get going.

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So if I could step in, I'm Lisa Desisto. Thank you.

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I I own the property. I still own 94 Rockingham Road.

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I'm leasing it out to Dante's Dante's vision

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that he submitted today is more aggressive that he's,

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he's not prepared to do yet.

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He's here today for a signed permit

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and should not have submitted the whole plan yet

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'cause we haven't gotten that file yet.

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So he's looking for a signed permit,

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but he took it to the next step to give everybody

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what his vision is.

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So right now he's just here

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to get the debt proof sign stage one,

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and then he's gonna have to come back to the planning ward

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to get this more aggressive design

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because that's not gonna fit within

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the West Springbrook, right?

450
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No, and, and talk.

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It's not gonna be, I'm just telling you

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it's not gonna get approved.

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Okay. But, but, but you're gonna have to come back

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and go through what the criteria is

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and then put your vision with that.

456
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Yeah, no, I understand. All right.

457
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Yeah, but he's asking that,

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what are we looking at the whole design

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or the sign he needs the sign.

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So maybe, maybe we should separate this into two things.

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The actual explicit signage,

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which is the

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Page one. The,

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The, the, the billboard on the top of the roof

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and the two sides of, of the, the pylon sign.

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And then we could consider this futuristic,

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maybe will happen, maybe won't rendering as, you know,

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one of those conceptual consultation things.

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And we could give some, you know,

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non-binding feedback on it.

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But maybe we ought to just act on

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what they actually need immediately,

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which is the, the sign Right.

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Approval. That sound like a good way to go to everyone.

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Any comments from the board on that? I,

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On what, how to proceed it?

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Yeah, I mean, he's here for the sign. That's what it's for.

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I personally, I'm, I'm just looking at the rendering.

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This is probably just an AI thing

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that he's probably No, that's how it was.

481
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Yeah, you actually had, I wasn't, I like it and thank you.

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I mean, I like the look myself.

483
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I like the fact that you added that extension. Yeah. Right.

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So you can have pe people in there.

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We know we need more younger entrepreneurs to step up

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and do this kind of stuff, so.

487
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Right. I give you a lot of credit to do that.

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I know that we're not here for that. Thank you

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Brian.

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I I'm just gonna say, don't give up your dream. Go for it.

491
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Even if, if it doesn't work, then you change

492
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If your landlord doesn't want it.

493
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No, I'm just saying I, I want it,

494
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I want it. I believe I'll

495
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Be back to respectfully counter.

496
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He knows that put in that I'm like,

497
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is one worse than his mother?

498
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Oh, okay. IIII support his dream

499
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and I believe in everything that you said.

500
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Yeah. But I don't, I don't want the process

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for him to get his sign.

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I get it to be convoluted with his bigger

503
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Goal.

504
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Yeah. You're just being very protective. Which is, which is

505
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Great because I've been wanting him

506
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to get the signed approval for

507
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Months.

508
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Yeah, yeah. Good. Get, just get him straight in the line.

509
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So we'll do the sign, like we said, I I like it.

510
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It's, you know, it's a, it's a younger vibe and,

511
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And it's much needed in the community.

512
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Yeah. And he brings in a much different clientele and

513
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Yeah.

514
00:24:41,075 --> 00:24:42,285
And I do know his mom too. Yeah,

515
00:24:43,145 --> 00:24:44,145
My mom did both.

516
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:47,765
But anyway, that's, that's my 2 cents.

517
00:24:47,965 --> 00:24:49,605
I mean, I know we hit from the side, so

518
00:24:49,605 --> 00:24:51,125
Also comments, questions, Ms. Robin?

519
00:24:51,845 --> 00:24:53,125
I, I do have one question.

520
00:24:54,185 --> 00:24:56,845
The, the wall art side, did you want to

521
00:24:57,455 --> 00:25:00,405
paint the facade black at this time

522
00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:02,805
or sometime in the next few months? Would've

523
00:25:02,805 --> 00:25:05,205
Nothing like the, the siding and everything? Yeah.

524
00:25:05,205 --> 00:25:07,365
Yes. Did you wanna, you want to paint the building black?

525
00:25:07,385 --> 00:25:09,965
Yes ma'am. Sometime in the next few months. Yes ma'am. Okay.

526
00:25:10,225 --> 00:25:14,045
So maybe leave the artwork aside at this point.

527
00:25:14,135 --> 00:25:16,805
Maybe come back when you do site plan review

528
00:25:17,345 --> 00:25:19,245
for any future additions for that piece.

529
00:25:19,805 --> 00:25:23,445
But I think that, so that he doesn't have to come back again

530
00:25:24,595 --> 00:25:26,285
when he wants to paint it.

531
00:25:26,505 --> 00:25:28,405
So we, if we're, we're segregating the,

532
00:25:28,405 --> 00:25:29,405
If deto allows him to

533
00:25:29,505 --> 00:25:31,005
The base coat color of,

534
00:25:31,005 --> 00:25:33,205
of the building from all the fancy artwork

535
00:25:33,205 --> 00:25:34,365
on it. Is that what you suggested?

536
00:25:34,505 --> 00:25:36,805
Yes. Okay. Yeah, That seems

537
00:25:36,805 --> 00:25:40,325
reasonable Question for me.

538
00:25:40,405 --> 00:25:42,805
I, it, I can't tell from this rendering.

539
00:25:42,825 --> 00:25:45,565
Is, is the sign illuminated?

540
00:25:45,565 --> 00:25:48,045
Does it have lead on your neon? Yeah,

541
00:25:48,825 --> 00:25:49,825
No letter neon.

542
00:25:50,155 --> 00:25:54,405
It's all, it's all LED. So it's halo litt, LEDs.

543
00:25:55,355 --> 00:25:58,805
Yeah, I mean our, our regs say no LEDI mean it's no neon,

544
00:25:58,805 --> 00:26:00,085
but I wonder if they were just written

545
00:26:00,085 --> 00:26:01,845
before LEDs were a thing. Yes,

546
00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:03,365
I think we were when we That's a good point.

547
00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:04,725
Wrote those regulations.

548
00:26:04,945 --> 00:26:07,205
It was more that like that gaseous type

549
00:26:07,395 --> 00:26:11,965
because of, you know, that type of lighting where this is ED

550
00:26:11,965 --> 00:26:14,405
and it's just the color looks neon ish

551
00:26:14,785 --> 00:26:18,005
but it's not ne it's not the neon gas. They're

552
00:26:18,005 --> 00:26:18,565
Not on that one. They,

553
00:26:18,975 --> 00:26:19,975
Right.

554
00:26:19,975 --> 00:26:22,765
But your question on that there tying in, doesn't

555
00:26:22,765 --> 00:26:25,285
that still gonna be internally lit this right now

556
00:26:25,385 --> 00:26:26,725
and that's gonna be an issue? 'cause

557
00:26:26,825 --> 00:26:29,845
It would, it would be he's proposing internally lit in

558
00:26:30,625 --> 00:26:32,405
the board would have to specifically,

559
00:26:33,185 --> 00:26:36,725
no one can have internally lit signs in the Westbrook

560
00:26:37,005 --> 00:26:38,885
district unless the board says they can.

561
00:26:39,705 --> 00:26:42,325
So that's why's dispute motion. Okay.

562
00:26:45,715 --> 00:26:47,325
Yeah, I mean in terms of the,

563
00:26:50,825 --> 00:26:53,725
the black, I mean it's obviously different from everything

564
00:26:53,725 --> 00:26:58,285
else and it will definitely be in and in

565
00:26:58,285 --> 00:27:02,445
and of itself, I don't know, screaming for attention.

566
00:27:02,765 --> 00:27:04,925
I guess. I don't know

567
00:27:04,945 --> 00:27:07,085
how well black will look without all the other

568
00:27:07,095 --> 00:27:08,365
fancy artwork on it.

569
00:27:08,425 --> 00:27:10,685
You may have second thoughts about that,

570
00:27:10,745 --> 00:27:13,845
but I don't necessarily think that black is completely,

571
00:27:15,465 --> 00:27:16,485
we do have some, you know,

572
00:27:16,485 --> 00:27:19,165
darker navy blue buildings in in, in these kind of areas.

573
00:27:19,505 --> 00:27:21,765
We do, I dunno, what, what do the board members think about

574
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:23,685
the, the base code of, of black?

575
00:27:25,375 --> 00:27:28,425
Well, one of the questions I want to tie into that there

576
00:27:29,085 --> 00:27:31,945
is that to confirm we are on the edge

577
00:27:32,605 --> 00:27:34,825
of WRBA district

578
00:27:35,365 --> 00:27:38,665
and if we are then we're supposed to be creating

579
00:27:39,185 --> 00:27:40,745
a village style image.

580
00:27:41,685 --> 00:27:43,865
And I don't know if all solid blackwoods is

581
00:27:43,865 --> 00:27:44,905
a village style image.

582
00:27:45,125 --> 00:27:47,865
And I'm just bringing this up just to play devil's advocate

583
00:27:48,175 --> 00:27:49,585
because based on our rules

584
00:27:49,585 --> 00:27:52,825
and regulations, if we have certain requirements we need

585
00:27:52,825 --> 00:27:54,865
to bring those out forward and then know

586
00:27:54,865 --> 00:27:58,345
where the board can change later on, we'll

587
00:27:58,345 --> 00:27:59,345
Remove it.

588
00:27:59,345 --> 00:27:59,945
Well, yeah, I mean if,

589
00:27:59,965 --> 00:28:02,185
if we have explicit requirements in the language

590
00:28:02,525 --> 00:28:04,505
and they don't fit, we need to, you know,

591
00:28:04,665 --> 00:28:06,905
consider having specific waivers for each of them just so

592
00:28:06,905 --> 00:28:08,425
that we don't gloss over it.

593
00:28:08,515 --> 00:28:10,425
Right. So that's a good point. Yep.

594
00:28:10,525 --> 00:28:12,225
Yep. I don't think we specifically state

595
00:28:12,785 --> 00:28:15,225
specific colors in the west running Brook district.

596
00:28:15,685 --> 00:28:19,385
So No, we just say colors that kind of blend in

597
00:28:20,095 --> 00:28:21,465
with the surrounding buildings

598
00:28:21,465 --> 00:28:24,545
and don't, you know, reach out and grab you by the ankle.

599
00:28:24,875 --> 00:28:27,385
Right. And, and across the street tree line has

600
00:28:27,715 --> 00:28:28,865
there darker green.

601
00:28:29,325 --> 00:28:33,425
Yep. Does anyone else has thoughts on

602
00:28:33,485 --> 00:28:35,105
the, the base caller?

603
00:28:36,505 --> 00:28:40,625
I mean, a quick thought I had was, you know, he,

604
00:28:40,765 --> 00:28:43,305
he mentioned that people often come

605
00:28:43,735 --> 00:28:45,465
because Clan Haven's been there forever.

606
00:28:46,785 --> 00:28:49,385
I mean, if he did paint it black, it's completely,

607
00:28:49,385 --> 00:28:51,025
you're not, you're not gonna confuse it.

608
00:28:51,095 --> 00:28:53,825
It's like, like a new, it's like a new,

609
00:28:54,845 --> 00:28:55,845
It Needs a new identity

610
00:28:55,925 --> 00:28:56,925
Change.

611
00:28:56,925 --> 00:28:57,465
Yeah. So, so that

612
00:28:58,205 --> 00:29:00,065
to me does it, do you know what I'm saying?

613
00:29:01,765 --> 00:29:03,385
And, and I don't know.

614
00:29:04,725 --> 00:29:06,505
I'm, I'm not necessarily opposed to it.

615
00:29:07,765 --> 00:29:09,745
I'm just thinking the rolling stones painted black.

616
00:29:11,195 --> 00:29:15,385
There you go. Okay. Other questions or comments?

617
00:29:15,445 --> 00:29:17,985
So we we're, we're talking about the, the signs I've shown

618
00:29:18,605 --> 00:29:21,145
and then painting the, the structure black.

619
00:29:22,185 --> 00:29:25,185
I, I don't think I have a problem with the black.

620
00:29:25,705 --> 00:29:27,785
I don't think need time to process that part,

621
00:29:28,525 --> 00:29:30,905
but just maybe expanding a little bit more.

622
00:29:31,055 --> 00:29:34,025
What was his name? Andrew? I'm sorry? Dante ante. Dante.

623
00:29:34,025 --> 00:29:37,305
Yes sir. So Dante, if, if you were to get it black

624
00:29:37,685 --> 00:29:40,025
and if you were able to get the good pizza no proof

625
00:29:40,125 --> 00:29:44,645
and all the purple and that, that neon pinkish color

626
00:29:45,425 --> 00:29:48,765
that's not gonna have like a black Luminate light on it

627
00:29:48,765 --> 00:29:50,765
that makes that pop back out again, will it?

628
00:29:51,025 --> 00:29:52,725
No, that's gonna be, so

629
00:29:52,725 --> 00:29:53,645
It would only be visible at,

630
00:29:53,645 --> 00:29:55,645
during the daytime it would pop. So I would

631
00:29:55,645 --> 00:29:57,645
Have like some ground lights like underneath

632
00:29:57,645 --> 00:30:01,165
that would essentially like, it, it would light up the,

633
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:02,965
the foundation of the art,

634
00:30:03,065 --> 00:30:04,845
but it wouldn't necessarily be like

635
00:30:05,485 --> 00:30:07,045
a lit piece of art. Does that make sense?

636
00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:09,165
Kind of. I just, I guess I would just be worried

637
00:30:09,165 --> 00:30:11,485
of if it would be putting like a blue light to make

638
00:30:11,485 --> 00:30:13,845
that pink come back out

639
00:30:13,845 --> 00:30:14,965
onto the, you know what I mean, back,

640
00:30:15,185 --> 00:30:16,185
I'm sorry.

641
00:30:16,185 --> 00:30:17,205
It would definitely be more visible during the day.

642
00:30:17,265 --> 00:30:18,725
But you know, we're, we're,

643
00:30:18,725 --> 00:30:21,125
we're closing at sunset anyway or anything like that.

644
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:24,205
Okay. So I'm not personally too worried about the arc

645
00:30:24,205 --> 00:30:26,205
getting lost and that's even if it, you know,

646
00:30:26,205 --> 00:30:27,285
when we get to that stage for

647
00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:28,285
Sure.

648
00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:29,205
Right. And and I, I could just say we're putting the

649
00:30:29,365 --> 00:30:30,605
carriage, the horse before the carriage.

650
00:30:31,325 --> 00:30:32,125
Carriage before the horse. I think that's the one.

651
00:30:32,125 --> 00:30:32,605
Something like that.

652
00:30:33,475 --> 00:30:34,845
That was that that was it. Yeah.

653
00:30:34,845 --> 00:30:36,685
A hundred percent the black, I don't know,

654
00:30:36,685 --> 00:30:38,005
I guess I need time to process the

655
00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:38,845
Black. Yeah, the

656
00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:41,325
You're probably gonna have about like three minutes.

657
00:30:43,395 --> 00:30:45,125
Well, and I'm probably gonna lose, so I guess

658
00:30:45,265 --> 00:30:46,445
So process quick. Yeah.

659
00:30:47,065 --> 00:30:48,165
I'm gonna lose anyway. So I,

660
00:30:48,445 --> 00:30:50,525
I guess could I just, could I add one thing?

661
00:30:50,705 --> 00:30:54,405
One thing that the drawing doesn't include is the

662
00:30:55,645 --> 00:30:57,485
exterior lighting that's already on the building

663
00:30:57,915 --> 00:30:59,325
that you don't see in the black.

664
00:30:59,425 --> 00:31:02,605
So under that overhang there's exterior lights.

665
00:31:05,445 --> 00:31:07,685
I don't think it's gonna be looking so black

666
00:31:08,085 --> 00:31:09,885
'cause No, honestly this rendering,

667
00:31:10,085 --> 00:31:11,605
I believe I understand what you're saying.

668
00:31:11,915 --> 00:31:13,605
Like that's a big corner at night.

669
00:31:13,685 --> 00:31:14,805
It's a black fricking building.

670
00:31:14,835 --> 00:31:16,605
Like what the hell is he thinking? I don't know.

671
00:31:16,785 --> 00:31:17,925
I'm 60, what do I know?

672
00:31:18,705 --> 00:31:22,165
But as far as Yeah, what I understand what John is saying

673
00:31:22,735 --> 00:31:26,165
about maintaining the WRB character,

674
00:31:26,745 --> 00:31:30,685
but I think Clem Haven, it's in a, it's separated

675
00:31:30,785 --> 00:31:33,605
and it has its own little unique corner.

676
00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:38,765
So whatever the rendition is going to be, there's a lot more

677
00:31:39,485 --> 00:31:40,685
lighting in here.

678
00:31:41,105 --> 00:31:43,085
And Elizabeth, I just wanna make sure

679
00:31:43,085 --> 00:31:46,365
that we are clear the interior lighting of those signs,

680
00:31:46,775 --> 00:31:49,245
there are interior lights in those signs.

681
00:31:49,425 --> 00:31:52,365
So that's okay. Right. Well the board would need to decide

682
00:31:52,365 --> 00:31:53,365
That we usual waiver.

683
00:31:53,565 --> 00:31:54,685
'cause the, the regs say no

684
00:31:55,655 --> 00:31:57,445
Think she means, but they've been there for 60 years.

685
00:32:00,075 --> 00:32:01,445
Clam Haven existed before the

686
00:32:01,445 --> 00:32:03,685
architectural design was Right. So it was grandfathered.

687
00:32:03,815 --> 00:32:06,125
Right. So those lights do have interior lights

688
00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:08,685
and I just wanna make sure everyone is aware that they are,

689
00:32:09,155 --> 00:32:11,045
they are integrating, but

690
00:32:11,045 --> 00:32:13,045
They're not LEDI

691
00:32:13,045 --> 00:32:14,845
Don't know, I don't think I flip a

692
00:32:14,845 --> 00:32:16,045
switch and the light goes on.

693
00:32:16,185 --> 00:32:18,645
But lights inside, inside the sign,

694
00:32:19,195 --> 00:32:22,165
According to the documents we've got, it does declare

695
00:32:22,315 --> 00:32:24,125
what color the LED lights are.

696
00:32:24,515 --> 00:32:25,685
It's on one of the back pages.

697
00:32:26,525 --> 00:32:30,405
I mean it appears to me that the outline of of the,

698
00:32:30,465 --> 00:32:33,965
the major sign it, it's triangle and the pizza company

699
00:32:34,025 --> 00:32:35,485
and the triangle is in the building.

700
00:32:35,515 --> 00:32:38,165
They appear to be luminant. Yeah.

701
00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:39,410
At least in this ring. Ring,

702
00:32:39,410 --> 00:32:40,410
Right?

703
00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:42,245
They're mag Yeah, they're like a magenta light up LED

704
00:32:42,845 --> 00:32:46,085
whereas the, the letters of dead proof minus the triangle

705
00:32:46,085 --> 00:32:48,405
that stands in for the A is white.

706
00:32:49,075 --> 00:32:51,805
Yeah, but they're, they're, it's not just flat paint.

707
00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:53,965
There's actually some electrical light. Right? Correct.

708
00:32:54,065 --> 00:32:56,245
That's a right. Yep. I would interpret the

709
00:32:57,125 --> 00:33:00,885
previous language about neon argon, et cetera to include

710
00:33:01,685 --> 00:33:03,605
LED technology, which probably just haven't

711
00:33:03,605 --> 00:33:04,885
updated the It's possible.

712
00:33:04,885 --> 00:33:06,605
Yeah. The tech. So okay.

713
00:33:06,705 --> 00:33:08,845
We would probably need to waive that section as well. Okay.

714
00:33:08,845 --> 00:33:10,285
In order to achieve this. Yeah.

715
00:33:10,585 --> 00:33:13,285
And there are night views included with your renderings.

716
00:33:14,705 --> 00:33:17,525
So they have, they show like a night view Yeah.

717
00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:18,965
Of what the signs will look like.

718
00:33:19,555 --> 00:33:21,725
Alright. Mr. Mr. O'Connor,

719
00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:25,885
I have one more that's needs to be probably waived on it.

720
00:33:26,995 --> 00:33:30,245
According to the 1 65 1 0 1 12

721
00:33:31,355 --> 00:33:34,765
that no roof signs shall be permitted in the

722
00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:35,965
West Running Brook area.

723
00:33:36,065 --> 00:33:38,565
And with the new purchase of this here, it's,

724
00:33:38,705 --> 00:33:40,725
it doesn't grandfather it, I don't believe,

725
00:33:41,385 --> 00:33:43,165
But he didn't, he's not purchasing it.

726
00:33:44,165 --> 00:33:45,885
Hmm. We are not changing ownership.

727
00:33:46,265 --> 00:33:47,525
The ownership isn't changing.

728
00:33:48,505 --> 00:33:51,645
No, I understood that. It, it's changed from Metso.

729
00:33:51,955 --> 00:33:55,845
Well, so here, here's the thing, John, if I,

730
00:33:55,905 --> 00:33:59,285
if I can interpret the photos

731
00:34:00,305 --> 00:34:04,205
on this page correctly, the

732
00:34:04,885 --> 00:34:08,485
proposed replacement sign is a little bit taller,

733
00:34:09,145 --> 00:34:12,125
but much shorter than the existing Clam Haven sign,

734
00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:13,765
which includes the ice cream,

735
00:34:13,765 --> 00:34:14,965
Coca-Cola logos and the ice cream.

736
00:34:15,105 --> 00:34:18,925
So I believe that as in, you know, an ongoing business,

737
00:34:18,925 --> 00:34:21,485
they are allowed to replace the sign in kind

738
00:34:21,915 --> 00:34:24,605
with a different design that fits the same footprint.

739
00:34:24,795 --> 00:34:27,645
They are. So I, I think, I think we're okay on that one.

740
00:34:28,705 --> 00:34:30,325
And I think it fits that roof line.

741
00:34:30,345 --> 00:34:32,965
It, the roof line shows a much better with the new sign

742
00:34:33,265 --> 00:34:36,405
of the single panel versus the, like you had mentioned,

743
00:34:36,405 --> 00:34:38,605
the clam haven with the two cokes and the ice cream.

744
00:34:38,665 --> 00:34:40,445
That's, it spans the whole roof.

745
00:34:41,145 --> 00:34:43,485
Now you're looking at just that one panel sign

746
00:34:43,765 --> 00:34:46,485
and you can see the, the, the, the roof pitch.

747
00:34:46,675 --> 00:34:50,085
It's cleaner lines. It's much cleaner lines. Yeah.

748
00:34:50,825 --> 00:34:53,405
The windows are more aligned with the roof line.

749
00:34:53,755 --> 00:34:55,485
It's easier serve operationally.

750
00:34:56,555 --> 00:34:59,165
Yeah. Those are the only questions

751
00:34:59,165 --> 00:35:00,525
That I, alright, any other que Mr.

752
00:35:00,585 --> 00:35:04,845
Malvin? Mr. Ton? I

753
00:35:04,845 --> 00:35:08,845
Think this is a, a good location for dead proof

754
00:35:10,265 --> 00:35:12,325
and practically speaking, I understand it's in the west

755
00:35:12,325 --> 00:35:13,365
front in Brook district,

756
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:17,285
but it's, you know, our our planning director had alluded

757
00:35:17,345 --> 00:35:18,805
to a tree line across the street,

758
00:35:19,145 --> 00:35:21,485
but there's also a car repair shop,

759
00:35:21,845 --> 00:35:23,045
a motorcycle repair shop,

760
00:35:23,405 --> 00:35:25,205
a gas station already at that corner.

761
00:35:25,755 --> 00:35:27,645
It's a little different. If we were having this

762
00:35:27,645 --> 00:35:29,365
conversation, it was a mile or two down the road

763
00:35:29,365 --> 00:35:31,525
and you've got a school and the fairways and whatnot.

764
00:35:31,665 --> 00:35:36,125
So certainly just speaking about the sign, I'm, I'm in favor

765
00:35:36,125 --> 00:35:39,205
of, I understand the black could probably be a little

766
00:35:39,205 --> 00:35:41,325
jarring, but I think that's probably something we can maybe

767
00:35:41,325 --> 00:35:45,165
table to a, an actual plan review Correct.

768
00:35:45,415 --> 00:35:46,765
Today? Well, no, we're talking about

769
00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:48,165
just painting the building.

770
00:35:48,755 --> 00:35:51,645
They wanna have permission tonight. Okay.

771
00:35:52,105 --> 00:35:53,125
Not necessarily for the graphics

772
00:35:53,145 --> 00:35:55,005
and not necessarily for the structural changes.

773
00:35:55,215 --> 00:35:56,965
Those will have to go back for a cycling.

774
00:35:56,995 --> 00:35:59,725
They will amendment. So yes.

775
00:35:59,795 --> 00:36:01,565
Signage and paint is what we're talking about.

776
00:36:05,555 --> 00:36:06,555
Yeah.

777
00:36:07,725 --> 00:36:10,165
Yeah. Just had a quick question about the pylon sign.

778
00:36:10,185 --> 00:36:12,725
So you guys aren't, you're not wrapping

779
00:36:13,025 --> 00:36:15,805
or painting the existence on, you're removing those panels

780
00:36:15,805 --> 00:36:16,845
and putting new ones on it.

781
00:36:16,845 --> 00:36:18,205
New panels are going in it. Yeah, that's correct.

782
00:36:18,745 --> 00:36:20,445
And so the only part that's gonna be lit up is

783
00:36:21,655 --> 00:36:23,965
where is it is just the white you see and the magenta.

784
00:36:25,285 --> 00:36:28,005
Okay. But it'll, it'll all be lit the same. Absolutely. Yep.

785
00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:33,885
Good. Just a quick question.

786
00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:37,645
Are these proposed graphics what you, the actual graphics

787
00:36:37,675 --> 00:36:39,125
that you want to put on the building

788
00:36:40,105 --> 00:36:41,845
Or is this like on the, on the base side?

789
00:36:41,845 --> 00:36:43,245
Like the art? Yeah. On the base?

790
00:36:43,465 --> 00:36:45,165
No, the, the art just kind of came out

791
00:36:45,425 --> 00:36:46,885
as the rendering came out

792
00:36:47,145 --> 00:36:50,925
and I saw it as kind of like, I would like something there.

793
00:36:51,205 --> 00:36:54,645
I don't know what it is. The colors definitely match the

794
00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:57,645
branding and there's not necessarily anything on there that

795
00:36:58,765 --> 00:37:01,285
A I'm married to BI came up with or c you know,

796
00:37:01,405 --> 00:37:02,965
'cause I'm not that, I'm not that artistry.

797
00:37:03,345 --> 00:37:04,805
But you know, what I do know is

798
00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:06,845
that I think it would be really cool accent

799
00:37:06,865 --> 00:37:08,005
to the black building.

800
00:37:08,465 --> 00:37:11,205
The, the, the black really is just there to serve as

801
00:37:12,005 --> 00:37:14,805
allowing the other things to shine a little bit more.

802
00:37:14,805 --> 00:37:16,685
And, and like I said, like my branding just lends,

803
00:37:16,685 --> 00:37:17,805
it lends itself to that.

804
00:37:19,135 --> 00:37:22,605
We're, we're growing in, in such a rapid pace right now

805
00:37:22,605 --> 00:37:25,285
that people kind of, I don't wanna say expect us to kind

806
00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:27,565
of have this building be, be that way.

807
00:37:27,705 --> 00:37:32,125
But I I, I am so confident in my, in this vision

808
00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:34,005
that I know it'll be a destination for dairy

809
00:37:34,025 --> 00:37:35,645
and something I think it needs, especially

810
00:37:35,645 --> 00:37:38,285
with Bobby coming in here and you know, doing his thing

811
00:37:38,285 --> 00:37:40,005
and like, just the way this town's growing

812
00:37:40,025 --> 00:37:42,605
and evolving into a, a prominent foodie town.

813
00:37:42,605 --> 00:37:44,205
Like you see it all over New Hampshire eats

814
00:37:44,205 --> 00:37:47,525
and popular Facebook pages that a lot of people are coming

815
00:37:47,525 --> 00:37:48,685
to dairy, not only for pizza

816
00:37:48,825 --> 00:37:51,245
but they're gonna be coming when, you know, Bobby's here,

817
00:37:51,245 --> 00:37:52,845
they love Sino, they love pho

818
00:37:52,865 --> 00:37:54,765
and I love being a part of and they love rigatoni.

819
00:37:54,765 --> 00:37:56,245
Don't worry about it. You what?

820
00:37:56,245 --> 00:37:57,685
That was obvious I didn't need to mention you.

821
00:37:57,955 --> 00:37:59,325
Alright, you too. Alright.

822
00:37:59,705 --> 00:38:02,725
I'm just sorry but I, I, I guess, I guess what I'm trying

823
00:38:02,725 --> 00:38:05,925
to say is for someone who's lived in this town his whole

824
00:38:05,925 --> 00:38:09,125
entire life, I think that having a building this different,

825
00:38:09,275 --> 00:38:13,085
this standoutish would be I think a welcome sign

826
00:38:13,085 --> 00:38:15,725
that dairy's not behind in the times in which a lot

827
00:38:15,725 --> 00:38:17,405
of people think a lot of the buildings look the same.

828
00:38:17,825 --> 00:38:19,845
And if you guys follow me at all, there's,

829
00:38:20,085 --> 00:38:21,485
there's nothing the same about me for it.

830
00:38:21,485 --> 00:38:23,245
But I just want to, I wanna do what I can

831
00:38:23,245 --> 00:38:24,245
to represent my town

832
00:38:24,265 --> 00:38:25,725
and I think this is the way I'm gonna do it.

833
00:38:26,425 --> 00:38:29,325
So we're kind of getting all the questions done now,

834
00:38:29,465 --> 00:38:32,845
but I think we, we need separate motions or, or,

835
00:38:32,865 --> 00:38:36,485
or resolutions here for the Yeah, Abby did the signage

836
00:38:36,485 --> 00:38:40,485
and the paint and then the, the non-binding conceptual

837
00:38:41,205 --> 00:38:43,405
discussion on the other decoration. Yeah.

838
00:38:43,955 --> 00:38:46,525
Yeah. Abby did prepare two motions for you.

839
00:38:46,625 --> 00:38:49,445
One is specific to the signs including the internal

840
00:38:49,445 --> 00:38:50,645
illumination aspect

841
00:38:50,985 --> 00:38:55,085
and then the second one was for you,

842
00:38:55,145 --> 00:38:59,565
you have the potential to amend that last,

843
00:39:00,545 --> 00:39:02,765
the, the second to last sentence to say that you,

844
00:39:02,825 --> 00:39:06,045
you accept the color of the general facade if you wanted to.

845
00:39:06,465 --> 00:39:10,925
So, but I, I wanna go down another route. Sure.

846
00:39:11,675 --> 00:39:16,605
That there are zoning

847
00:39:16,605 --> 00:39:19,925
regulations which we cannot, you know, change

848
00:39:20,365 --> 00:39:21,485
'cause we're not the ZBA

849
00:39:21,915 --> 00:39:25,565
that dictate the maximum square footage of signage

850
00:39:26,455 --> 00:39:30,205
based on, you know, properties of, of, of a plot.

851
00:39:31,015 --> 00:39:33,205
Right. And so my opinion

852
00:39:33,225 --> 00:39:34,285
and apparently the opinion of,

853
00:39:34,285 --> 00:39:37,245
of the zoning administrator is that the

854
00:39:40,115 --> 00:39:43,205
rendering as shown, which is, you know, kind

855
00:39:43,205 --> 00:39:46,005
of highly promoing your brand and,

856
00:39:46,225 --> 00:39:47,965
and your product is signage

857
00:39:48,585 --> 00:39:51,605
and you'd have to calculate all of that space as part

858
00:39:51,605 --> 00:39:52,645
of your allowed signage.

859
00:39:52,795 --> 00:39:54,485
Well you need a variance. Understood.

860
00:39:54,905 --> 00:39:57,485
So let's, where are we on those numbers? Do you know,

861
00:39:57,765 --> 00:39:59,365
Carrie and I sat down yesterday

862
00:39:59,365 --> 00:40:02,325
because we knew that might be potentially a question

863
00:40:02,425 --> 00:40:04,485
and we didn't want to say yes to something

864
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,205
that the ZBA might say no to.

865
00:40:07,545 --> 00:40:12,445
So currently if you look at, if we just take the frontage

866
00:40:12,545 --> 00:40:16,365
of 94 Rockingham, that's 181 feet.

867
00:40:16,505 --> 00:40:18,165
Our sign regulations say that

868
00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:22,045
you're allowed two square feet per linear

869
00:40:22,235 --> 00:40:23,405
foot of road frontage.

870
00:40:23,825 --> 00:40:26,805
So the allowance, if you just use Rockingham Road is

871
00:40:27,045 --> 00:40:29,365
362 square feet.

872
00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:31,765
Carrie and I calculated

873
00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:36,125
and the pylon sign, the, the building sign.

874
00:40:36,125 --> 00:40:39,165
And then even if you included the artwork,

875
00:40:39,165 --> 00:40:43,085
which would be a wall sign came out to 200,

876
00:40:45,065 --> 00:40:47,085
200.62 feet.

877
00:40:48,705 --> 00:40:51,685
So he falls below and wouldn't need a variance.

878
00:40:52,305 --> 00:40:54,405
And then we also, we weren't sure, you know, I,

879
00:40:54,525 --> 00:40:56,845
I checked tonight, we weren't sure if that was gonna wrap

880
00:40:56,845 --> 00:40:58,005
around the building or if

881
00:40:58,005 --> 00:41:00,405
that 30 square foot dead proof sign would also be on the

882
00:41:00,405 --> 00:41:01,485
island pond side.

883
00:41:01,955 --> 00:41:05,685
Even if it were adding in those two elements,

884
00:41:05,865 --> 00:41:08,365
the total would be 324 square feet.

885
00:41:08,385 --> 00:41:10,965
So he would still fall below the, the maximum.

886
00:41:11,555 --> 00:41:13,005
Okay. Just wanna make you aware

887
00:41:13,005 --> 00:41:15,525
that there were also not only color and design

888
00:41:15,525 --> 00:41:18,365
and aesthetics and but dimensional things.

889
00:41:18,505 --> 00:41:21,925
Yes sir. We can't wave. Correct. Mr.

890
00:41:21,925 --> 00:41:25,085
Chair, 30 square feet. Any other questions? Mr.

891
00:41:25,225 --> 00:41:28,565
One more question I just for clarity,

892
00:41:30,185 --> 00:41:31,805
and I don't know if we can actually rule on this

893
00:41:32,265 --> 00:41:33,285
or if it's part of the regs,

894
00:41:33,285 --> 00:41:37,045
but is the sign going to be lit at all hours

895
00:41:37,225 --> 00:41:38,685
or just during business hours?

896
00:41:39,805 --> 00:41:42,205
Just during business hours. Okay.

897
00:41:42,385 --> 00:41:45,645
And, and you said you close after dusk or so?

898
00:41:46,035 --> 00:41:48,325
Yeah, so right now our hours are 11 to eight

899
00:41:48,865 --> 00:41:50,285
and then 11 to four on Sunday.

900
00:41:50,585 --> 00:41:53,245
Thanks. At 11 eight Wednesday through, I'm sorry, Thursday

901
00:41:53,245 --> 00:41:54,325
through Saturday.

902
00:41:54,655 --> 00:41:55,845
Great. Thank you. Yep.

903
00:41:57,395 --> 00:42:00,405
Okay. Any other in last minute alibis.

904
00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:04,365
Alright, so let's, let's give him

905
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:10,565
a vote on the roof sign, the pylon

906
00:42:11,115 --> 00:42:12,205
sign two-sided

907
00:42:12,665 --> 00:42:16,125
and the painting of the exterior

908
00:42:16,465 --> 00:42:18,045
of the structure black.

909
00:42:20,065 --> 00:42:22,165
Do we have a, a motion that reads that way?

910
00:42:22,685 --> 00:42:24,205
I also move, well wait a minute.

911
00:42:24,225 --> 00:42:26,005
I'm gonna see if we actually have a, a motion

912
00:42:26,885 --> 00:42:29,005
recommend a motion that that says that suggestion motion.

913
00:42:29,705 --> 00:42:30,765
Are you separating these,

914
00:42:30,825 --> 00:42:32,005
are you packaging 'em all together?

915
00:42:32,235 --> 00:42:33,525
Well, we have to separate them

916
00:42:33,555 --> 00:42:37,325
because number one, the

917
00:42:38,555 --> 00:42:41,005
psychedelic rendering is, is speculative

918
00:42:41,885 --> 00:42:45,205
and it's not really right for us to, to vote on tonight.

919
00:42:45,945 --> 00:42:48,645
So I'm, I'm gonna treat that as a conceptual consultation

920
00:42:48,645 --> 00:42:50,085
and we'll say, yeah, we think that's great

921
00:42:50,085 --> 00:42:51,325
or man, that's, that's horrible.

922
00:42:52,045 --> 00:42:53,645
We'll give you feedback please.

923
00:42:53,695 --> 00:42:56,085
Which is non-binding and then you can take that for

924
00:42:56,085 --> 00:42:57,725
what you know it's worth by all means.

925
00:42:57,725 --> 00:42:59,725
Yeah. But what I hear is you need

926
00:42:59,725 --> 00:43:01,085
to get the signage change, get the sign

927
00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:02,405
The signs the biggest one. Yeah.

928
00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:03,445
And so that's what I think we've gonna

929
00:43:03,445 --> 00:43:05,125
officially approve tonight. This

930
00:43:05,125 --> 00:43:06,405
First motion is for the signs

931
00:43:06,465 --> 00:43:08,845
and I think Elizabeth was saying this second motion,

932
00:43:08,985 --> 00:43:13,285
we can remove the parts that talk about the design

933
00:43:13,385 --> 00:43:15,405
and facade and stuff and just talk about the color

934
00:43:15,545 --> 00:43:16,725
and use that motion for that.

935
00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:20,285
Or we could just tack it onto the, the first one.

936
00:43:22,745 --> 00:43:27,565
My question is, given that this is LDCR

937
00:43:28,175 --> 00:43:30,405
terms and conditions, I think we need

938
00:43:30,405 --> 00:43:33,965
to actually vote on waivers as opposed

939
00:43:33,965 --> 00:43:35,605
to just saying we accept this, we accept that.

940
00:43:39,885 --> 00:43:43,245
I know that pretty much everything in the LDCR is waveable.

941
00:43:44,245 --> 00:43:47,805
I mean the, the WB is is waveable even the zoning

942
00:43:48,555 --> 00:43:50,405
with special exceptions and

943
00:43:50,795 --> 00:43:51,795
Whatnot.

944
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:54,805
I'll double check in the, I'll grab the copy of the LDCR,

945
00:43:54,805 --> 00:43:56,805
but I think I wondered about that

946
00:43:56,805 --> 00:43:58,845
and I was like, well are we gonna need a waiver? I thought

947
00:43:59,125 --> 00:44:03,605
LCR thing that we grant a a a difference

948
00:44:03,605 --> 00:44:05,485
to a waiver to we, we vote on a waiver.

949
00:44:06,855 --> 00:44:08,035
Why would this be different? It,

950
00:44:08,095 --> 00:44:10,155
The, the language seemed a little bit different.

951
00:44:10,305 --> 00:44:13,795
I'll, I'll pull it and, and take a quick peek right now.

952
00:44:13,795 --> 00:44:16,515
But I think the language said it shall not be illuminated

953
00:44:16,515 --> 00:44:18,275
without the permission of the planning board

954
00:44:18,275 --> 00:44:19,955
or without the planning board state. So let me

955
00:44:20,185 --> 00:44:21,185
Look at that.

956
00:44:21,185 --> 00:44:22,115
I I'm gonna be conservative

957
00:44:22,115 --> 00:44:24,595
and say wherever we think there's a, a specific thing

958
00:44:24,595 --> 00:44:27,595
that it doesn't comply with, let's quickly draft a waiver.

959
00:44:27,655 --> 00:44:29,875
It doesn't have to have all the lingo that most of them do.

960
00:44:30,105 --> 00:44:32,245
Okay. Just basically say we're we agreed

961
00:44:32,245 --> 00:44:33,485
to waive this. Alright,

962
00:44:33,505 --> 00:44:34,505
Let me find that section.

963
00:44:35,955 --> 00:44:38,205
That way, you know, we'll come back and,

964
00:44:38,265 --> 00:44:41,885
and ripe at us for making a, a, a sloppy decision.

965
00:44:43,205 --> 00:44:45,765
'cause that might actually come back on you too. Understood.

966
00:44:46,355 --> 00:44:48,325
That has happened. I won't, I won't tell you where

967
00:44:48,325 --> 00:44:49,485
and when, but it has happened.

968
00:44:50,575 --> 00:44:52,525
Quick question, Mr. Chair Jones.

969
00:44:53,145 --> 00:44:56,125
So I'm just noticing the current roof

970
00:44:57,825 --> 00:44:59,325
is like a light gray,

971
00:45:00,625 --> 00:45:03,405
but in the rendering it looks like the, the,

972
00:45:03,515 --> 00:45:04,565
it's either reroofed

973
00:45:04,625 --> 00:45:06,165
or the, the, the,

974
00:45:06,265 --> 00:45:09,765
the shingles have painted. No, if

975
00:45:09,765 --> 00:45:12,125
The roof was repaired like three years ago.

976
00:45:12,415 --> 00:45:14,965
Right, but I'm just saying the black's gonna look a little

977
00:45:14,965 --> 00:45:18,685
bit different on a gray roof than like in the rendering.

978
00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:20,005
It looks like the roof was actually,

979
00:45:20,825 --> 00:45:23,525
It does look like the roof surface has been replaced in

980
00:45:23,525 --> 00:45:25,485
the future rendering. Is

981
00:45:25,485 --> 00:45:26,485
That what you want?

982
00:45:26,485 --> 00:45:28,405
But it's all, it, it kind of blends together.

983
00:45:29,145 --> 00:45:32,365
Yes. And I guess my question is whether we would treat

984
00:45:32,365 --> 00:45:34,885
that as the same line we treat the structural changes.

985
00:45:35,485 --> 00:45:36,885
Probably. I think Dante

986
00:45:36,885 --> 00:45:38,165
Is open to suggestions

987
00:45:38,165 --> 00:45:39,285
on that. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah.

988
00:45:39,585 --> 00:45:41,245
So what do you guys think if you see, I mean I

989
00:45:41,325 --> 00:45:46,205
I have told folks who completely ignore me that hey,

990
00:45:46,505 --> 00:45:50,885
you've got red lettering on dark blue on background.

991
00:45:50,945 --> 00:45:53,045
You know, the human eye cannot focus on both colors.

992
00:45:53,065 --> 00:45:55,365
The voice, right. That has very low visibility

993
00:45:55,365 --> 00:45:56,405
at 40 miles an hour.

994
00:45:56,535 --> 00:45:58,845
Right. And Nelson's rule of marketing is, has

995
00:45:58,845 --> 00:46:00,125
to be readable at 40 miles an hour.

996
00:46:00,565 --> 00:46:02,645
Right. So I can give you, you know, suggestions like that,

997
00:46:02,645 --> 00:46:04,285
but it, it also has to follow your,

998
00:46:04,285 --> 00:46:05,685
your brand scheme and your colors.

999
00:46:06,325 --> 00:46:08,245
Absolutely. I I do agree with Mr.

1000
00:46:08,555 --> 00:46:11,445
Churchill that the sign will pop more against a,

1001
00:46:11,525 --> 00:46:13,645
a gray roof than it will black on black.

1002
00:46:13,915 --> 00:46:16,725
Yeah. I had no intentions

1003
00:46:16,725 --> 00:46:18,445
of changing the roof specifically.

1004
00:46:18,525 --> 00:46:23,365
I mean the, the board around the, the back, forgive me,

1005
00:46:23,545 --> 00:46:25,445
the backboard of the sign itself is black

1006
00:46:25,445 --> 00:46:27,045
to reflect all the lighting anyway.

1007
00:46:27,705 --> 00:46:32,565
So for me, the, the roof, at least for now isn't, you know,

1008
00:46:32,765 --> 00:46:35,405
a top priority for me to change or to alter at any point.

1009
00:46:36,445 --> 00:46:38,725
I think the sign I working with New Hampshire signs,

1010
00:46:38,725 --> 00:46:40,005
they were great to put,

1011
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:41,645
they actually pointed out the roof color.

1012
00:46:41,645 --> 00:46:43,565
They were like, you know, you're not gonna have

1013
00:46:43,565 --> 00:46:45,205
to worry too much about that because the backboard

1014
00:46:45,205 --> 00:46:47,365
of the sign is already black in helping

1015
00:46:47,475 --> 00:46:48,805
reflect the light properly.

1016
00:46:49,865 --> 00:46:51,685
You know, they've been doing this forever. So I, you know,

1017
00:46:51,685 --> 00:46:54,445
just went with their suggestions and I think the sign in

1018
00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:55,685
and of itself will do a good job of that.

1019
00:46:55,685 --> 00:46:58,005
And I, I kind of like how it plays against the light

1020
00:46:58,005 --> 00:47:00,005
gray as it is. So,

1021
00:47:00,385 --> 00:47:02,805
So we'll assume that if, if you change the roof

1022
00:47:03,235 --> 00:47:05,565
that comes in with the later, you know, structural changes.

1023
00:47:05,745 --> 00:47:10,685
Yes. Okay. Mr. O'Connor,

1024
00:47:10,685 --> 00:47:12,045
were you keeping track of all the things

1025
00:47:12,045 --> 00:47:13,085
that needed to be waived?

1026
00:47:13,385 --> 00:47:14,445
No, I wasn't exactly. Okay.

1027
00:47:14,505 --> 00:47:17,805
It was so internal illumination.

1028
00:47:22,565 --> 00:47:23,525
I don't know if there's anything else

1029
00:47:24,125 --> 00:47:26,645
explicitly, you know, don't do that.

1030
00:47:28,165 --> 00:47:31,605
I mean they, they do say use, you know, appropriate colors.

1031
00:47:31,955 --> 00:47:34,205
That is a, a very subjective thing.

1032
00:47:34,265 --> 00:47:37,965
So I think we can simply say we accept the, the black as

1033
00:47:37,965 --> 00:47:39,445
as part of your corporate logo look.

1034
00:47:40,525 --> 00:47:41,845
But I think we should probably waive the

1035
00:47:42,845 --> 00:47:45,885
specific prohibition on internal new lit of any form.

1036
00:47:46,945 --> 00:47:51,565
And if I could say Elizabeth had mentioned the painting

1037
00:47:51,585 --> 00:47:53,085
of the building Yeah.

1038
00:47:53,105 --> 00:47:56,125
And then Ryan is talking about the roof. Right.

1039
00:47:56,125 --> 00:47:59,205
And my understanding it was the building that you wanted.

1040
00:47:59,275 --> 00:48:00,285
Yeah. Right. Yep.

1041
00:48:00,555 --> 00:48:01,645
Yeah. So we're talking About the, I'm just

1042
00:48:02,145 --> 00:48:04,045
the building not the, the roof. That's all. That's

1043
00:48:04,045 --> 00:48:05,045
Right.

1044
00:48:05,045 --> 00:48:07,725
I'm just saying if you painted the building black, how's

1045
00:48:07,725 --> 00:48:09,165
that gonna play with the,

1046
00:48:09,305 --> 00:48:13,845
the gray roof versus if everything was according

1047
00:48:13,865 --> 00:48:15,645
to the rendering, it looked like everything was,

1048
00:48:15,645 --> 00:48:17,485
everything was darkened. Well, it won't

1049
00:48:17,485 --> 00:48:18,805
Look like that picture, but a lot

1050
00:48:18,805 --> 00:48:20,285
of it won't look like that picture yet.

1051
00:48:20,305 --> 00:48:21,305
So

1052
00:48:21,605 --> 00:48:23,965
I mean 'cause that's a, that's gonna be a big contrast.

1053
00:48:24,225 --> 00:48:25,965
The black building with the gray.

1054
00:48:26,225 --> 00:48:27,685
Here's the thing though. I mean, I know

1055
00:48:28,285 --> 00:48:31,405
painting isn't cheap these days, but it's just paint, right?

1056
00:48:31,505 --> 00:48:33,325
If you decide, oh, that was a

1057
00:48:33,325 --> 00:48:35,085
mistake, you can easily fix that. Beautiful.

1058
00:48:35,195 --> 00:48:37,325
Yeah. And he would be willing to do so. A hundred

1059
00:48:37,325 --> 00:48:38,325
Percent.

1060
00:48:38,325 --> 00:48:40,445
So I'm, I'm not gonna obsess about the paint at this

1061
00:48:40,445 --> 00:48:42,525
point. He, I won't,

1062
00:48:43,025 --> 00:48:45,965
I'm just trying to bring attention to try

1063
00:48:45,965 --> 00:48:47,525
to visualize what that's gonna look like.

1064
00:48:48,355 --> 00:48:51,365
Yeah, well I mean, we have to take this step at a time.

1065
00:48:51,725 --> 00:48:54,925
I mean, we're only approving the signs and as an extension.

1066
00:48:54,925 --> 00:48:56,245
Yeah. You know, painting the building black.

1067
00:48:59,945 --> 00:49:03,005
Excuse me. So did you, did, did you find the,

1068
00:49:03,005 --> 00:49:06,885
the section that talks about signs and,

1069
00:49:06,905 --> 00:49:08,205
and argon and neon.

1070
00:49:08,785 --> 00:49:10,645
So There's, I guess I could start digging forward. Well

1071
00:49:10,865 --> 00:49:12,165
Really illuminate the sign.

1072
00:49:12,265 --> 00:49:14,405
The only thing that's really gonna show up is the white

1073
00:49:14,405 --> 00:49:15,645
lettering in purple sign.

1074
00:49:15,705 --> 00:49:16,705
It seems like just

1075
00:49:19,385 --> 00:49:21,565
One 70, you know what I'm saying? 86.

1076
00:49:22,105 --> 00:49:22,845
86.

1077
00:49:26,305 --> 00:49:29,445
180 6. But I'm just saying, yep.

1078
00:49:31,295 --> 00:49:32,685
Subsection F

1079
00:49:33,345 --> 00:49:37,845
and then further subsection nine lighting. I think that

1080
00:49:37,845 --> 00:49:40,965
Rendering looks better And it

1081
00:49:40,965 --> 00:49:42,205
says, you know what I'm saying?

1082
00:49:42,555 --> 00:49:45,485
Well it talks about low use of low key,

1083
00:49:45,485 --> 00:49:46,845
low intensity wall pack or,

1084
00:49:46,845 --> 00:49:50,525
or spot top lighting is appropriate

1085
00:49:51,985 --> 00:49:53,925
unless otherwise approved by the planning board.

1086
00:49:53,945 --> 00:49:55,845
All it Right.

1087
00:49:56,585 --> 00:49:58,725
Use of lighting to highlight the building in a prominent

1088
00:49:58,725 --> 00:50:01,125
manner such as brightly illuminated roof fins

1089
00:50:01,125 --> 00:50:03,885
or neon tube lighting is discouraged unless

1090
00:50:03,885 --> 00:50:05,645
otherwise approved by the planning board.

1091
00:50:06,835 --> 00:50:09,965
I'll pull mounted lighting fixtures shall be fed electricity

1092
00:50:09,965 --> 00:50:11,645
by the use of underground electrical.

1093
00:50:12,395 --> 00:50:17,245
This is an existing site illumination patterns proposed

1094
00:50:17,345 --> 00:50:20,445
so shall be such that all sites sub subject

1095
00:50:20,665 --> 00:50:22,965
to these regulations will enjoy an adequate level

1096
00:50:22,965 --> 00:50:24,725
of lighting to ensure user safety and

1097
00:50:24,885 --> 00:50:25,885
Security.

1098
00:50:25,885 --> 00:50:29,125
Alright. So we can, we can simply do it wa the, the term of,

1099
00:50:29,185 --> 00:50:33,525
of that subsection one 70

1100
00:50:33,955 --> 00:50:37,805
dash 86 F nine to allow

1101
00:50:38,695 --> 00:50:42,245
internally lit signs where the regulations do not allow.

1102
00:50:42,555 --> 00:50:44,525
That would be that works. Yeah. How I would word it.

1103
00:50:45,675 --> 00:50:47,045
Yeah. Off.

1104
00:50:48,115 --> 00:50:51,245
Yeah. Okay. And I think that's all we need

1105
00:50:51,245 --> 00:50:53,045
to worry about specifically waiting.

1106
00:50:54,065 --> 00:50:56,365
Anyone else have a thought on that?

1107
00:50:56,505 --> 00:50:58,005
Do you need that in writing from Dante?

1108
00:51:01,785 --> 00:51:03,285
We can scr a piece of paper

1109
00:51:03,345 --> 00:51:06,525
and Yeah, as long as it's the clerk has it.

1110
00:51:07,905 --> 00:51:11,645
So at this point I would like to entertain a motion

1111
00:51:12,705 --> 00:51:15,405
for the waiver as we just kind of coddle it together.

1112
00:51:17,385 --> 00:51:21,005
If I can remember what it says to waive the

1113
00:51:21,855 --> 00:51:23,285
provisions of section.

1114
00:51:25,555 --> 00:51:26,885
Just signed. Oh, just signed. Okay.

1115
00:51:27,085 --> 00:51:29,045
I was like, my handwriting's terrible so I apologize.

1116
00:51:31,785 --> 00:51:33,645
Formal written one 70 dash

1117
00:51:33,645 --> 00:51:38,445
86 1 70 dash 86 F

1118
00:51:39,115 --> 00:51:41,245
nine to allow

1119
00:51:43,045 --> 00:51:45,005
internal lighting on, on the signage

1120
00:51:45,005 --> 00:51:46,925
where the regulations do not allow

1121
00:51:47,595 --> 00:51:48,925
Just the waiver for the, yeah.

1122
00:51:49,955 --> 00:51:51,285
Okay. Someone wanna make that motion.

1123
00:51:51,685 --> 00:51:53,045
I will. So move. Okay.

1124
00:51:53,415 --> 00:51:57,005
Moved by O'Connor, seconded by MAL to grant a waiver.

1125
00:51:57,345 --> 00:52:00,925
Any discussion? Not Mr. Wood. Yes, Mr.

1126
00:52:01,665 --> 00:52:05,605
Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr.

1127
00:52:06,125 --> 00:52:10,005
Churchill? Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Maldy? Yes.

1128
00:52:10,105 --> 00:52:14,245
And the chair boots? Yes. Now I think we can go with the,

1129
00:52:15,185 --> 00:52:18,845
the motion as suggested in, in the, in the package

1130
00:52:19,645 --> 00:52:22,605
and just add the permission to paint the

1131
00:52:23,115 --> 00:52:24,445
outside surface of the building.

1132
00:52:24,535 --> 00:52:28,005
Black. We wanna make that motion.

1133
00:52:28,115 --> 00:52:29,885
Yeah. Mr. Chair, is it moved

1134
00:52:29,905 --> 00:52:33,205
to pursuant? Is

1135
00:52:33,205 --> 00:52:38,125
This one, John, This one, top one they moved

1136
00:52:38,185 --> 00:52:41,685
to pursuant to the town of dairy zoning ordinance.

1137
00:52:43,945 --> 00:52:44,945
Can we do that?

1138
00:52:46,615 --> 00:52:48,725
We're talking about the signs. Yeah.

1139
00:52:49,105 --> 00:52:52,165
So the, the signage ordinance is in the zoning ordinance.

1140
00:52:52,625 --> 00:52:55,765
The architectural review of the signs is in the LDCs.

1141
00:52:55,765 --> 00:52:58,685
Correct. So it is a little confusing,

1142
00:53:00,455 --> 00:53:01,725
Which is the one down below,

1143
00:53:01,725 --> 00:53:04,485
which is the L DCR here where your thumb is.

1144
00:53:09,635 --> 00:53:12,765
Yeah, no, I I think we, you know, read the top one

1145
00:53:12,765 --> 00:53:14,605
and then we'll make an amendment if we need to.

1146
00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:18,285
Okay. Mr. Chair, move pursuant to the town

1147
00:53:18,285 --> 00:53:20,565
of Dairy zoning ordinance, article 12

1148
00:53:21,495 --> 00:53:25,645
signs section 1 65 dash 1 0 1 12

1149
00:53:26,455 --> 00:53:28,725
signs in the West Running Brook District

1150
00:53:29,065 --> 00:53:33,405
to approve the sign designed, presented for dead proof pizza

1151
00:53:33,985 --> 00:53:36,885
parcel 0 5 0 1 2 dash

1152
00:53:37,155 --> 00:53:41,685
0 0 1 0 0 1 94 Rockingham Road.

1153
00:53:41,985 --> 00:53:46,045
As presented, the board accepts the internal illumination

1154
00:53:46,105 --> 00:53:50,005
of signs and finds the signs are compatible

1155
00:53:50,115 --> 00:53:51,645
with the surrounding buildings,

1156
00:53:52,375 --> 00:53:55,645
meets the regulations contained in the ordinance

1157
00:53:56,185 --> 00:53:59,605
and compliments the surrounding architecture. Second,

1158
00:54:00,285 --> 00:54:02,645
And then an amendment to add

1159
00:54:03,825 --> 00:54:06,525
the board accepts the painting of the exterior

1160
00:54:06,665 --> 00:54:08,245
of the building black.

1161
00:54:08,555 --> 00:54:09,645
Just how I said it.

1162
00:54:10,595 --> 00:54:14,725
Okay. Any questions on that? You got that Adam Clerk.

1163
00:54:15,595 --> 00:54:20,485
Okay. Any discussion Mr. Wood? Yes. Mr.

1164
00:54:20,705 --> 00:54:24,685
Menini? Yes. Mr. Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ello?

1165
00:54:24,785 --> 00:54:28,765
Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Malloy? Yes. And chair votes?

1166
00:54:28,785 --> 00:54:33,725
Yes. And I think you've already kind of got our informal

1167
00:54:34,325 --> 00:54:37,205
feedback on the more advanced design.

1168
00:54:37,595 --> 00:54:40,125
Some of us love it, some of us don't understood.

1169
00:54:40,565 --> 00:54:42,325
Some of us think it's maybe a little too much

1170
00:54:43,315 --> 00:54:45,365
Like the art itself or the extension.

1171
00:54:45,365 --> 00:54:47,765
Yeah, it's the whole, it it, it, it looks too busy.

1172
00:54:47,765 --> 00:54:49,405
It looks like a comic book to me. Understood.

1173
00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:51,285
But then again, I'm an old guy, like

1174
00:54:51,895 --> 00:54:53,085
other folks in the room.

1175
00:54:54,945 --> 00:54:58,085
So just think about let's scale it down a little bit.

1176
00:54:58,505 --> 00:55:02,085
You know, what, what works as opposed to maybe going to,

1177
00:55:02,225 --> 00:55:06,045
you know, you don't have to turn the volume on to 11, but

1178
00:55:06,345 --> 00:55:07,345
No, I'm just kidding.

1179
00:55:07,785 --> 00:55:09,645
No, I I I definitely wanna be more

1180
00:55:09,645 --> 00:55:11,125
purposeful of what goes in there anyway.

1181
00:55:11,125 --> 00:55:12,205
Like I said, the rendering just kind

1182
00:55:12,205 --> 00:55:14,005
of spit that out at me as an idea.

1183
00:55:14,025 --> 00:55:15,285
And I was like, oh, it's kind of cool.

1184
00:55:15,345 --> 00:55:19,165
But, you know, I think when it comes down to it, you know,

1185
00:55:19,165 --> 00:55:20,805
everything about dead proof has its place

1186
00:55:21,065 --> 00:55:22,405
and that will be one of those things.

1187
00:55:22,825 --> 00:55:25,125
So when the time comes to present that like, it'll be

1188
00:55:25,435 --> 00:55:26,435
Yeah.

1189
00:55:26,435 --> 00:55:27,165
If you come back for the structural changes,

1190
00:55:27,225 --> 00:55:28,525
you can include that at the same time.

1191
00:55:28,725 --> 00:55:29,725
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It won't be his

1192
00:55:29,725 --> 00:55:30,445
comic bookie. I promise.

1193
00:55:31,005 --> 00:55:32,605
Checking. I say one more thing. Sure.

1194
00:55:32,825 --> 00:55:34,925
And again, I gotta give you a lot of credit

1195
00:55:34,925 --> 00:55:38,885
because your Facebook followers is vast and deep.

1196
00:55:38,975 --> 00:55:39,885
Thank you. That's cool. And

1197
00:55:40,075 --> 00:55:41,485
They're very loyal to you too.

1198
00:55:41,555 --> 00:55:42,685
Yeah, I'm, I'm very lucky.

1199
00:55:44,225 --> 00:55:47,125
You know, I just creating this business, you know,

1200
00:55:47,265 --> 00:55:49,765
in 2022 was it started in a tent in,

1201
00:55:49,765 --> 00:55:51,125
I was cooking pizzas in a parking lot.

1202
00:55:52,265 --> 00:55:55,765
So to be now at Clam Haven, a place I grew up with

1203
00:55:55,825 --> 00:55:59,605
and like is an iconic place is just for me, the,

1204
00:55:59,825 --> 00:56:01,405
the culmination of just so much hard work

1205
00:56:01,405 --> 00:56:03,645
that's gone into making this what it is today

1206
00:56:03,785 --> 00:56:06,885
and to be in dairy, you know, I always said like,

1207
00:56:06,935 --> 00:56:08,285
being in Manchester was always great,

1208
00:56:08,285 --> 00:56:09,325
but dairy will always be my home.

1209
00:56:09,885 --> 00:56:12,085
So to have this here is, you know, special. Now

1210
00:56:12,245 --> 00:56:13,325
You have a truck also, right?

1211
00:56:13,385 --> 00:56:15,525
Yes sir. Where's that gonna be parked?

1212
00:56:15,765 --> 00:56:17,285
'cause that's got signs all over it.

1213
00:56:17,745 --> 00:56:20,725
She is currently parked in the parking lot of Clam Haven.

1214
00:56:22,145 --> 00:56:25,285
I'm working on a, a location to keep it between events.

1215
00:56:26,885 --> 00:56:28,285
I know right now it's like we're,

1216
00:56:28,285 --> 00:56:30,165
we're in our heaviest event season period.

1217
00:56:30,265 --> 00:56:32,765
So to be able to take all of our,

1218
00:56:32,835 --> 00:56:34,485
because clam haven's our commissary.

1219
00:56:34,545 --> 00:56:37,285
So to be able to take all of our product from Clam Haven,

1220
00:56:37,285 --> 00:56:39,125
just walk it over to the trailer, load it up, go

1221
00:56:39,125 --> 00:56:43,805
to the next location, you know, done wonders for my people,

1222
00:56:43,865 --> 00:56:44,885
not stretching out too much.

1223
00:56:45,025 --> 00:56:48,085
So, yeah. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome.

1224
00:56:49,395 --> 00:56:52,125
Okay. I think that's it.

1225
00:56:52,125 --> 00:56:53,805
Well thank you Dante. Thank you Lisa.

1226
00:56:53,875 --> 00:56:54,875
Yeah. Thank you guys for your time.

1227
00:56:54,875 --> 00:56:55,805
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

1228
00:56:56,285 --> 00:56:57,565
We appreciate it and we appreciate

1229
00:56:57,585 --> 00:56:58,585
The support.

1230
00:56:58,585 --> 00:56:59,525
Kind of excited. Yep.

1231
00:56:59,635 --> 00:57:01,405
Next time you guys want a pizza party, let me know.

1232
00:57:01,445 --> 00:57:02,445
I got you.

1233
00:57:02,905 --> 00:57:04,725
That's not a problem. You guys getting rid

1234
00:57:04,725 --> 00:57:05,845
of the Clam Haven sign.

1235
00:57:05,845 --> 00:57:07,525
What are you guys doing with that? We don't know yet.

1236
00:57:07,525 --> 00:57:08,645
Oh, that's to be continued. Lisa,

1237
00:57:09,205 --> 00:57:10,285
continue. I got some ideas. You,

1238
00:57:10,425 --> 00:57:12,045
You know, Lisa, there are places

1239
00:57:12,075 --> 00:57:14,205
that collect classic signs if you go up

1240
00:57:14,205 --> 00:57:15,845
to shorty's. Hey listen,

1241
00:57:15,845 --> 00:57:20,005
You know, we wanna put, a lot of people are reached out.

1242
00:57:20,005 --> 00:57:21,725
I, there's a guy sitting here who was interested in this.

1243
00:57:23,785 --> 00:57:26,405
See, see my inbox? Oh my god, its crazy. Also.

1244
00:57:27,145 --> 00:57:28,565
Me too. I would love to have that.

1245
00:57:29,115 --> 00:57:30,845
It's crazy. Thank you guys. Let's move on

1246
00:57:30,845 --> 00:57:32,605
To our, we have Cl Haven church field. Yeah, we,

1247
00:57:32,745 --> 00:57:34,245
We got more to do tonight, so. We'll

1248
00:57:34,915 --> 00:57:35,915
Guys, thank you.

1249
00:57:35,915 --> 00:57:39,125
Thank, thank you.

1250
00:57:41,035 --> 00:57:43,925
Alright, next item. Hopefully we'll go quicker.

1251
00:57:44,245 --> 00:57:46,245
Architectural design review

1252
00:57:46,505 --> 00:57:51,205
for signing in TBOD parcel ID 3 0 0 5 2 6 East

1253
00:57:51,525 --> 00:57:52,525
Broadway Beyond Beauty.

1254
00:57:53,995 --> 00:57:56,325
Move to approve. Oh,

1255
00:57:56,565 --> 00:57:57,565
Wait a minute.

1256
00:57:57,565 --> 00:57:59,365
Wait a minute. You gotta have the Zel first. Oh,

1257
00:57:59,395 --> 00:58:00,395
Okay.

1258
00:58:01,105 --> 00:58:04,485
All right. The town of dairy zoning ordinance section 1 65

1259
00:58:04,515 --> 00:58:08,765
dash 1 0 1 0.5 A one Q requires

1260
00:58:08,765 --> 00:58:11,285
that all new signs propose in the traditional business

1261
00:58:11,285 --> 00:58:14,085
overlay districts be reviewed by the planning board prior

1262
00:58:14,285 --> 00:58:16,165
to the issuance of a sign permit.

1263
00:58:16,655 --> 00:58:20,085
Signs in this district cannot be internally illuminated neon

1264
00:58:20,135 --> 00:58:21,485
argon krypton as we know,

1265
00:58:21,825 --> 00:58:24,965
or have internally illuminated lettering, projecting signs

1266
00:58:25,185 --> 00:58:29,525
or are to be located so that they do not block line of sight

1267
00:58:29,525 --> 00:58:32,605
for motorists and cannot be closer than eight feet to grade.

1268
00:58:32,985 --> 00:58:34,125
The architectural design

1269
00:58:34,125 --> 00:58:37,405
of this sign must compliment the architectural design

1270
00:58:37,405 --> 00:58:38,805
of the buildings and surroundings.

1271
00:58:39,305 --> 00:58:42,285
The applicant is proposing signage on the existing awning

1272
00:58:42,285 --> 00:58:45,605
as well as a vinyl window decal sign the vinyl window.

1273
00:58:45,905 --> 00:58:49,565
The vinyl window decal sign must not obstruct visibility

1274
00:58:49,585 --> 00:58:53,365
of the interior of the business Beyond Beauty is currently

1275
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:55,125
operating at six East Broadway.

1276
00:58:55,785 --> 00:58:57,805
The former Jay-Z Health, a sample

1277
00:58:57,825 --> 00:58:59,445
of the proposed signs are attached.

1278
00:58:59,945 --> 00:59:01,605
Our recommendation to the board is

1279
00:59:01,605 --> 00:59:03,085
to approve the proposed signage.

1280
00:59:04,755 --> 00:59:08,405
Alright, so there's no one here from that, that business.

1281
00:59:09,825 --> 00:59:14,405
We, we ask that she either be present in person or online.

1282
00:59:14,725 --> 00:59:17,685
I, I'm just gonna suggest that the,

1283
00:59:19,185 --> 00:59:20,245
the awning on the side,

1284
00:59:20,465 --> 00:59:22,725
you might wanna put some white space in that phone number.

1285
00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:24,565
That's a little hard to read. Yeah, it kind

1286
00:59:24,565 --> 00:59:26,565
of violates Nelson's law about 40 miles an hour.

1287
00:59:27,865 --> 00:59:29,525
You don't watch Superman. It's just one law

1288
00:59:29,525 --> 00:59:31,245
Number saw the same thing.

1289
00:59:31,345 --> 00:59:33,805
Red and blue Okay. I just a piece of creative,

1290
00:59:33,985 --> 00:59:35,085
it has nothing to do with our approval.

1291
00:59:35,115 --> 00:59:36,285
Just a creative suggestion.

1292
00:59:37,625 --> 00:59:40,405
And I assume that given they have, they're at a corner

1293
00:59:40,745 --> 00:59:42,485
and they have frontage on two different streets,

1294
00:59:43,385 --> 00:59:45,005
the total surface area

1295
00:59:45,185 --> 00:59:47,525
of this plus the window decal is not gonna be a problem.

1296
00:59:48,105 --> 00:59:50,045
It it should not be a problem. No.

1297
00:59:50,425 --> 00:59:53,005
Should not. Or this one I did not calculate. Oh, you

1298
00:59:53,095 --> 00:59:54,095
Can't didn't do the maths.

1299
00:59:54,485 --> 00:59:57,165
I did not math on this one. Oh, well,

1300
00:59:57,915 --> 00:59:58,915
Yeah.

1301
00:59:58,915 --> 01:00:02,725
Yeah. They are re they are resurfacing

1302
01:00:02,785 --> 01:00:06,845
or replacing areas where De Francisco had had lettering.

1303
01:00:07,745 --> 01:00:08,745
And so,

1304
01:00:10,385 --> 01:00:11,385
Mr.

1305
01:00:11,385 --> 01:00:14,525
I, yeah. My instinct is if, if that proof was okay

1306
01:00:14,525 --> 01:00:17,645
with their two fronts, these guys are probably okay,

1307
01:00:17,985 --> 01:00:21,525
but I don't want to let them in for a shock when the

1308
01:00:22,045 --> 01:00:24,445
planning board approves it and then the zoning administrator

1309
01:00:24,445 --> 01:00:25,885
comes back and says, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1310
01:00:26,705 --> 01:00:27,805
Mr. Chair, for your awareness

1311
01:00:28,115 --> 01:00:29,115
Applicant's online.

1312
01:00:29,115 --> 01:00:30,085
Alright, Mr. Chair,

1313
01:00:30,515 --> 01:00:33,085
Just to inform you, we do have a hand raise online.

1314
01:00:33,435 --> 01:00:36,485
They're identified as iPhone if, just for confirmation,

1315
01:00:36,485 --> 01:00:38,965
if we can have them identify as we let them in Absolutely.

1316
01:00:39,245 --> 01:00:40,885
And identify themselves. Come on in.

1317
01:00:40,885 --> 01:00:42,165
We'll go ahead and let them in now

1318
01:00:42,545 --> 01:00:43,885
and give them the ability to talk.

1319
01:00:45,795 --> 01:00:49,565
That would be great. Should be available

1320
01:00:49,745 --> 01:00:51,085
now if they want to unmute.

1321
01:00:52,315 --> 01:00:53,725
That was the star six

1322
01:00:54,985 --> 01:00:55,985
If they're on phone.

1323
01:00:55,985 --> 01:00:57,645
Yes. Yes. Which they're on iPhone.

1324
01:01:00,865 --> 01:01:05,125
Caller, are you there? Hi. Good.

1325
01:01:10,995 --> 01:01:15,775
Hi. Try it now. Good evening. Hello.

1326
01:01:16,395 --> 01:01:20,655
Yes. Hello. Hi. I have Miss Z with the

1327
01:01:21,115 --> 01:01:23,215
of the business here next.

1328
01:01:27,985 --> 01:01:30,915
Zav, you're dropping out. Let me be in

1329
01:01:30,915 --> 01:01:31,955
a noisy environment.

1330
01:01:31,955 --> 01:01:35,155
Mr. Chair. Which noise? Suppression on the on

1331
01:01:35,765 --> 01:01:38,035
Would be, we're, we're, we're not getting most of your,

1332
01:01:38,815 --> 01:01:40,795
of your, of your words.

1333
01:01:41,005 --> 01:01:45,635
We're, we're losing a lot. So can you move to a better spot?

1334
01:01:53,095 --> 01:01:55,355
It could be network on this side as well. Mr. Chair.

1335
01:01:55,805 --> 01:01:58,875
Hello? Good evening. Yeah, we hear you now.

1336
01:02:00,025 --> 01:02:04,115
Okay. Hi, my name's Ted. I'm have Ms.

1337
01:02:04,395 --> 01:02:06,355
Z who's the business owner next to me.

1338
01:02:07,755 --> 01:02:11,075
We're, we're here to ready

1339
01:02:11,095 --> 01:02:13,355
to answer any question from the planning board.

1340
01:02:14,855 --> 01:02:18,595
So you're in a butter. He's interpreting for the owner.

1341
01:02:19,125 --> 01:02:21,365
I'm sorry? He's interpreting for the owner.

1342
01:02:21,945 --> 01:02:23,845
Oh, there, there's a language barrier.

1343
01:02:24,235 --> 01:02:27,485
Okay. Okay. So he, he's a language assistant

1344
01:02:27,485 --> 01:02:28,765
for the abut. Okay. Yes.

1345
01:02:29,225 --> 01:02:30,685
She, she can understand most,

1346
01:02:31,425 --> 01:02:34,325
but when she walks of the question, she might.

1347
01:02:35,265 --> 01:02:36,265
That's why.

1348
01:02:39,025 --> 01:02:40,925
All right. So the, the only things that you might wanna

1349
01:02:42,265 --> 01:02:44,005
relate to her is

1350
01:02:44,005 --> 01:02:46,325
that the planning department didn't actually do a

1351
01:02:46,755 --> 01:02:50,685
calculation on, on square footage of the proposed signage.

1352
01:02:50,885 --> 01:02:55,005
I, I think you're not gonna be having a problem with that

1353
01:02:55,005 --> 01:02:56,005
because you're on a corner.

1354
01:02:56,505 --> 01:02:58,845
But just be aware that there is a,

1355
01:02:58,885 --> 01:03:00,965
a zoning requirement that we can't change.

1356
01:03:01,305 --> 01:03:02,605
So just double check that.

1357
01:03:03,745 --> 01:03:08,395
Yes. And this, And my, my personal suggestion is

1358
01:03:08,395 --> 01:03:10,715
where it says hair skin massage

1359
01:03:10,715 --> 01:03:11,835
and has a phone number on the,

1360
01:03:11,835 --> 01:03:13,035
on the, on the side of the one.

1361
01:03:13,215 --> 01:03:14,915
You might wanna put some white space

1362
01:03:14,915 --> 01:03:16,595
or dashes in there 'cause it's really hard to read.

1363
01:03:16,695 --> 01:03:18,195
But that's just a suggestion. Oh,

1364
01:03:19,925 --> 01:03:20,925
Thank you.

1365
01:03:20,925 --> 01:03:25,195
That's from the, I think one of the, those designer company

1366
01:03:25,345 --> 01:03:28,155
that she gave them the information at all.

1367
01:03:28,335 --> 01:03:32,475
So I think we are able to change that.

1368
01:03:33,015 --> 01:03:35,155
Of course. No change to design or anything,

1369
01:03:35,215 --> 01:03:37,355
but as you suggest it could be done

1370
01:03:38,055 --> 01:03:40,555
to make the phone number easier to read.

1371
01:03:41,625 --> 01:03:44,755
Okay. Alright. So those two things have been addressed

1372
01:03:44,755 --> 01:03:48,075
with the, the applicant through her interpreter.

1373
01:03:48,575 --> 01:03:50,035
Any other questions

1374
01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:53,555
or comments for the applicant from the board?

1375
01:03:55,275 --> 01:03:56,515
I can't see what's in the window.

1376
01:03:56,665 --> 01:03:58,355
What, what are they changing in the window?

1377
01:03:59,465 --> 01:04:01,515
It's, it's this thing. There's a decal sign.

1378
01:04:01,515 --> 01:04:04,075
It's an ade, it's a decal. The

1379
01:04:04,125 --> 01:04:05,125
Decal, yes.

1380
01:04:05,125 --> 01:04:07,115
Going. It's a word art decal

1381
01:04:08,615 --> 01:04:11,075
the most part are transparent

1382
01:04:11,455 --> 01:04:14,075
and just to, you know, show the words.

1383
01:04:14,235 --> 01:04:16,915
I mean, that's how they print it would be better if they,

1384
01:04:16,915 --> 01:04:17,915
they can cut 'em out.

1385
01:04:17,935 --> 01:04:21,395
But it costs quite more expensive, I believe.

1386
01:04:21,425 --> 01:04:24,315
Instead of just make it like a transparent

1387
01:04:24,675 --> 01:04:25,915
with the word art on it.

1388
01:04:27,265 --> 01:04:28,675
What color did they say that was gonna be?

1389
01:04:29,015 --> 01:04:30,015
Do you know what the color will

1390
01:04:30,015 --> 01:04:30,995
Be?

1391
01:04:30,995 --> 01:04:31,215
Be right on Broadway.

1392
01:04:33,455 --> 01:04:34,955
Is there gonna be black, white,

1393
01:04:35,925 --> 01:04:37,915
White and only There are several.

1394
01:04:38,265 --> 01:04:40,235
Were words in black.

1395
01:04:41,785 --> 01:04:42,675
Okay. We're Talking about

1396
01:04:42,825 --> 01:04:43,795
just because it's on Broadway.

1397
01:04:43,995 --> 01:04:45,195
I just But is the decal, does

1398
01:04:45,295 --> 01:04:47,035
The decal count as a sign?

1399
01:04:47,335 --> 01:04:49,275
It does, yes. So

1400
01:04:49,275 --> 01:04:51,155
that's why I said add up all the square footage just

1401
01:04:51,155 --> 01:04:52,835
to make sure you're okay with the zoning.

1402
01:04:54,255 --> 01:04:57,715
And is it just going on? I'll stop my questions.

1403
01:04:58,185 --> 01:04:59,875
That decal sign, now that I see it,

1404
01:05:00,175 --> 01:05:01,595
is it just going on this side?

1405
01:05:01,595 --> 01:05:03,075
That's, I thought it's a big thing. Facing, facing

1406
01:05:03,755 --> 01:05:05,435
Broadway, facing Facing Blue Seal

1407
01:05:05,455 --> 01:05:07,395
or is it going out that's facing Main Street?

1408
01:05:07,575 --> 01:05:09,235
No, they only have, they only have windows

1409
01:05:09,335 --> 01:05:10,435
on, on, on Broadway.

1410
01:05:10,925 --> 01:05:12,595
Right. There's, there's one,

1411
01:05:12,785 --> 01:05:14,835
there's one window on Manning Street,

1412
01:05:14,895 --> 01:05:17,525
but that window will have nothing on it.

1413
01:05:17,975 --> 01:05:21,165
She's only had, she's only request, request

1414
01:05:21,825 --> 01:05:23,405
to those details.

1415
01:05:25,765 --> 01:05:28,445
Broadway side. And there are four four,

1416
01:05:29,205 --> 01:05:30,565
actually six window panels there.

1417
01:05:30,745 --> 01:05:33,445
And she only use, put them on two of them. Okay.

1418
01:05:33,795 --> 01:05:37,005
Okay. Well then if you're gonna use multiple, you better,

1419
01:05:37,145 --> 01:05:38,645
you better add up the square inches.

1420
01:05:39,325 --> 01:05:43,885
'cause you might, you know, Elizabeth will help you.

1421
01:05:43,985 --> 01:05:47,485
The zoning administer Carrie will help you figure out

1422
01:05:47,745 --> 01:05:49,005
how many square feet

1423
01:05:49,005 --> 01:05:52,845
or square inches total you're allowed for that property.

1424
01:05:53,065 --> 01:05:55,085
And you just don't want to go off to the sign company

1425
01:05:55,105 --> 01:05:57,365
and buy more than you can put up.

1426
01:05:57,795 --> 01:05:58,795
Okay.

1427
01:05:59,095 --> 01:05:59,765
Understand.

1428
01:06:04,205 --> 01:06:05,525
I mean, and, and that's not our thing.

1429
01:06:05,525 --> 01:06:08,085
That's the zoning administrator's job to enforce.

1430
01:06:08,085 --> 01:06:09,245
That's not a planning board thing.

1431
01:06:09,305 --> 01:06:13,605
So we're just giving you friendly advice on that. Okay.

1432
01:06:13,725 --> 01:06:17,605
Anything else? Alright. Ready for motion?

1433
01:06:21,025 --> 01:06:23,885
Mr. Chair? A move pursuant to the town

1434
01:06:23,885 --> 01:06:25,125
of dairy zoning ordinance,

1435
01:06:25,125 --> 01:06:28,725
article 12 signs section 1 65 dash

1436
01:06:29,065 --> 01:06:33,165
1 0 1 5 signs in the TVOD

1437
01:06:33,585 --> 01:06:37,365
to approve the sign designed, presented for Beyond Beauty

1438
01:06:37,905 --> 01:06:41,965
Parcel 3 0 0 5 2 6

1439
01:06:42,555 --> 01:06:43,685
East Broadway.

1440
01:06:43,865 --> 01:06:47,645
As presented, the board finds the sign is compatible

1441
01:06:48,555 --> 01:06:50,165
with the surrounding buildings,

1442
01:06:50,215 --> 01:06:52,525
meets the regulations contained in the ordinance

1443
01:06:52,865 --> 01:06:55,085
and compliments the surrounding architect.

1444
01:06:55,425 --> 01:06:59,445
Second, moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malam to grant

1445
01:07:00,255 --> 01:07:03,445
permission and approval based on the submission.

1446
01:07:04,065 --> 01:07:09,045
Any questions? Debate if not Mr. Wood? Yes, Mr.

1447
01:07:09,045 --> 01:07:13,725
Mean? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Ello?

1448
01:07:13,985 --> 01:07:17,245
Yes. Mr. Appleton? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. And the chair votes?

1449
01:07:17,305 --> 01:07:21,165
Yes. Great. Congratulations and good luck.

1450
01:07:22,575 --> 01:07:24,965
Thank you. Thank You. All right, we have

1451
01:07:25,505 --> 01:07:28,965
one more thing, which could be a big thing.

1452
01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:30,885
I don't know how much depth you want to go into.

1453
01:07:31,100 --> 01:07:32,645
This is legislative update.

1454
01:07:34,105 --> 01:07:38,525
Our, our friends in Concord have continued creative

1455
01:07:39,295 --> 01:07:41,445
activities regarding land use law.

1456
01:07:41,445 --> 01:07:43,605
I'll, I'll say it that way in, in a nice way.

1457
01:07:45,045 --> 01:07:47,845
'cause we have a, we have a candidate here, so I just,

1458
01:07:48,005 --> 01:07:49,405
I won't, I won't, I won't throw you under the bus

1459
01:07:49,405 --> 01:07:50,765
until you've actually voted on stuff.

1460
01:07:52,925 --> 01:07:54,605
I have a question though, before we

1461
01:07:54,605 --> 01:07:55,725
start going down that road.

1462
01:07:56,035 --> 01:07:58,325
Oops. On the, on the last Haitian thing

1463
01:07:59,675 --> 01:08:03,525
because that is, that's

1464
01:08:05,025 --> 01:08:08,125
the person that's managing that needs to be

1465
01:08:08,765 --> 01:08:10,405
licensed in the state of New Hampshire, correct?

1466
01:08:10,675 --> 01:08:13,845
That is correct. Do we ever check

1467
01:08:13,945 --> 01:08:15,285
to make sure that they're on

1468
01:08:15,585 --> 01:08:16,445
We do. Okay.

1469
01:08:16,585 --> 01:08:17,645
That's all. That's my

1470
01:08:17,645 --> 01:08:18,765
Only question that that's part of the

1471
01:08:18,765 --> 01:08:19,845
change of use application.

1472
01:08:19,845 --> 01:08:21,685
They're not part of the change

1473
01:08:21,685 --> 01:08:23,725
of use application is they have to submit all

1474
01:08:23,725 --> 01:08:26,325
of their O current OPLC licensure license.

1475
01:08:26,325 --> 01:08:27,805
Yeah, yeah. With the application. Okay.

1476
01:08:27,805 --> 01:08:29,285
So we do verify that. Perfect.

1477
01:08:30,065 --> 01:08:33,405
And do you know if there are any employees at all or

1478
01:08:34,905 --> 01:08:35,965
In at that facility?

1479
01:08:36,165 --> 01:08:40,285
I believe there, there is the, there's the manager operator

1480
01:08:40,425 --> 01:08:42,285
and there may be one more employee

1481
01:08:43,185 --> 01:08:44,645
and that's what they're permitted for.

1482
01:08:44,905 --> 01:08:46,245
And they add employees.

1483
01:08:46,245 --> 01:08:47,925
They have to come back to the town. And

1484
01:08:47,925 --> 01:08:50,485
The employees are also licensed. Yes. They need

1485
01:08:50,485 --> 01:08:52,045
To provide, I know where you're going

1486
01:08:52,155 --> 01:08:53,445
with this, but that's really a, I'm

1487
01:08:53,445 --> 01:08:54,605
Just double checking to See a town

1488
01:08:54,605 --> 01:08:55,845
council issue, not a planning board

1489
01:08:55,845 --> 01:08:56,845
Issue.

1490
01:08:56,845 --> 01:08:59,405
Well I'm just wondering if that's something that the town

1491
01:09:00,235 --> 01:09:01,365
overall looks for.

1492
01:09:01,675 --> 01:09:03,245
It's part of our change of use process.

1493
01:09:04,185 --> 01:09:06,685
Yep. Okay.

1494
01:09:07,515 --> 01:09:10,925
Okay. So you have a slide deck.

1495
01:09:12,105 --> 01:09:15,565
The it, the fairly extensive list of, of changes

1496
01:09:15,635 --> 01:09:17,525
that we'll have to have multiple workshops

1497
01:09:17,525 --> 01:09:22,485
and this will go on probably until March I'm guessing

1498
01:09:24,345 --> 01:09:25,605
the next legislative update.

1499
01:09:26,275 --> 01:09:28,005
Alright, let's go for it. Okay.

1500
01:09:28,005 --> 01:09:29,445
We're gonna start with the staff report

1501
01:09:29,445 --> 01:09:31,285
and then into the slide deck. Yes.

1502
01:09:32,025 --> 01:09:35,205
So the 2026 legislative session has come to an end

1503
01:09:35,385 --> 01:09:37,685
and the planning department has reviewed the changes

1504
01:09:37,865 --> 01:09:40,845
as they pertain to the town's LDCR and zoning ordinance.

1505
01:09:41,185 --> 01:09:43,925
The main topics of review include childcare centers, fa,

1506
01:09:43,955 --> 01:09:46,245
multifamily housing, commercial districts,

1507
01:09:46,415 --> 01:09:48,765
innovative housing structures, and some building

1508
01:09:48,825 --> 01:09:50,045
and code regulations.

1509
01:09:50,425 --> 01:09:52,685
Attach is a presentation providing an overview

1510
01:09:52,685 --> 01:09:53,885
of the legislative changes

1511
01:09:54,265 --> 01:09:56,365
and their potential impacts on the town of Derry.

1512
01:09:56,635 --> 01:09:57,885
Also included are a summary

1513
01:09:57,945 --> 01:09:59,685
of the relevant statutory changes

1514
01:10:00,145 --> 01:10:02,125
and the proposed amendments to the LDCR

1515
01:10:02,125 --> 01:10:06,405
and zoning ordinance including draft draft language

1516
01:10:06,545 --> 01:10:08,285
for the board's review and discussion.

1517
01:10:08,595 --> 01:10:09,765
Feel free to follow along.

1518
01:10:09,765 --> 01:10:11,605
Looking at the draft language as I present.

1519
01:10:12,025 --> 01:10:14,405
And the staff is seeking planning board feedback on the

1520
01:10:14,565 --> 01:10:16,925
proposed amendments prior to preparing any necessary

1521
01:10:17,275 --> 01:10:19,685
ordinance updates for future consideration.

1522
01:10:20,585 --> 01:10:23,165
And we would like to discuss whether the board would like

1523
01:10:23,165 --> 01:10:25,045
to schedule a workshop to review these changes.

1524
01:10:25,785 --> 01:10:29,165
And for you guys, do you want me to go slide by slide

1525
01:10:29,305 --> 01:10:32,685
and like we can talk about each slide as we go.

1526
01:10:32,685 --> 01:10:33,685
Or do you want me to do all of them

1527
01:10:33,685 --> 01:10:34,805
and then talk about all of

1528
01:10:34,885 --> 01:10:35,885
'em?

1529
01:10:35,885 --> 01:10:36,685
Well let, let's go slide by slide

1530
01:10:36,885 --> 01:10:41,245
'cause that way we don't have to take detailed notes.

1531
01:10:41,395 --> 01:10:42,725
Okay. You run smoother.

1532
01:10:43,145 --> 01:10:43,805
Sounds good.

1533
01:10:47,865 --> 01:10:48,325
We can move.

1534
01:10:52,555 --> 01:10:56,685
Alright. So this first slide is just a couple

1535
01:10:56,755 --> 01:10:58,925
that have no action or change required,

1536
01:10:58,945 --> 01:11:01,205
but I just wanted you guys to know they were passed

1537
01:11:01,265 --> 01:11:03,965
and have some sort of relation to planning.

1538
01:11:05,125 --> 01:11:09,285
SB 94 prohibits all local legislative bodies from adopting

1539
01:11:09,505 --> 01:11:10,885
any new regulations

1540
01:11:10,885 --> 01:11:12,885
that differ from the state building code.

1541
01:11:13,965 --> 01:11:18,725
SB 4 43 adds rulemaking authority for certain requirements

1542
01:11:18,745 --> 01:11:21,805
for review and approval of wastewater infrastructure plans

1543
01:11:22,305 --> 01:11:24,285
and specifications, including the sewer

1544
01:11:24,285 --> 01:11:25,325
connection permit program.

1545
01:11:26,345 --> 01:11:29,965
HB 1 15 9 updates the definition of the state building code.

1546
01:11:30,945 --> 01:11:35,445
HB 1 4 6 9 requires massage establishments to be licensed

1547
01:11:35,445 --> 01:11:37,125
and regulated by the office

1548
01:11:37,225 --> 01:11:39,965
of Professional licensure and certification.

1549
01:11:40,785 --> 01:11:43,045
The bill also allows for compensation of members

1550
01:11:43,385 --> 01:11:45,565
of the advisory board of massage therapists.

1551
01:11:46,185 --> 01:11:50,565
HP 1246 mandates that a member

1552
01:11:50,565 --> 01:11:54,005
of the planning board who also serves on a zoning board may

1553
01:11:54,005 --> 01:11:57,285
only participate and vote on one board when an application

1554
01:11:57,285 --> 01:12:00,165
or development project is heard by both boards.

1555
01:12:05,215 --> 01:12:07,115
And this next slide dis, dis

1556
01:12:07,375 --> 01:12:11,795
or explains h HB 2 96, which was actually passed last year,

1557
01:12:11,855 --> 01:12:13,755
but we just got into it now.

1558
01:12:14,495 --> 01:12:17,275
And how I structured these is the purpose

1559
01:12:17,615 --> 01:12:19,115
and the effect on dairy.

1560
01:12:20,175 --> 01:12:23,315
So the purpose is that it introduces new provisions

1561
01:12:23,315 --> 01:12:24,395
regarding the issuance

1562
01:12:24,395 --> 01:12:26,555
of building permits along private roads

1563
01:12:26,575 --> 01:12:27,955
by local governing bodies.

1564
01:12:29,055 --> 01:12:33,195
It establishes an alternative condition for authorization,

1565
01:12:33,555 --> 01:12:35,955
allowing local governing bodies to issue permits

1566
01:12:35,955 --> 01:12:38,115
after reviewing comments from the planning board

1567
01:12:38,135 --> 01:12:39,875
or confirming that the private road

1568
01:12:39,875 --> 01:12:41,195
complies with municipal policy.

1569
01:12:41,585 --> 01:12:43,555
This change aims to streamline the process

1570
01:12:43,655 --> 01:12:45,995
for erecting buildings on private roads.

1571
01:12:46,495 --> 01:12:49,115
And the effect is that the planning board can review the

1572
01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:52,035
road construction building permit is issued only if the

1573
01:12:52,035 --> 01:12:53,315
applicant can provide a waiver

1574
01:12:53,335 --> 01:12:55,675
of municipal liability recorded with the deed

1575
01:12:55,895 --> 01:12:56,955
and proof that the law

1576
01:12:56,975 --> 01:12:58,955
and structure on the lot can be insured.

1577
01:12:59,855 --> 01:13:01,435
So this, this has to do with lots of record.

1578
01:13:01,455 --> 01:13:03,315
It has nothing to do with subdivisions. Correct.

1579
01:13:04,015 --> 01:13:08,355
It also has to do with creation of private roads as well.

1580
01:13:09,715 --> 01:13:14,435
Hmm. Can you go back to that? Back to that slide.

1581
01:13:14,485 --> 01:13:16,875
Let's go. Like five or six pages need to pull actual,

1582
01:13:16,895 --> 01:13:19,875
the only reason I'm saying that is it says P board can

1583
01:13:19,875 --> 01:13:22,435
review the road construction

1584
01:13:24,795 --> 01:13:27,195
planning board can review the road construction.

1585
01:13:28,135 --> 01:13:30,955
So many of these private roads can be dirt

1586
01:13:31,055 --> 01:13:35,595
or gravel depending on how the owners

1587
01:13:35,615 --> 01:13:37,915
of those private roads want to keep them.

1588
01:13:39,175 --> 01:13:41,035
We don't really have planning board would really

1589
01:13:41,195 --> 01:13:42,315
have no say.

1590
01:13:42,325 --> 01:13:44,875
Right. I mean it says review, but

1591
01:13:45,295 --> 01:13:48,075
In the town of Derry, if you're building a private road

1592
01:13:48,295 --> 01:13:51,395
or a road to be accepted by the town,

1593
01:13:51,415 --> 01:13:54,275
the standard is exactly the same for the geometric

1594
01:13:54,295 --> 01:13:55,595
and in how you construct it.

1595
01:13:56,415 --> 01:13:58,675
So the board would review it for drainage

1596
01:13:58,675 --> 01:14:01,075
and depths of all of that.

1597
01:14:01,815 --> 01:14:04,755
So if a private road comes in, we can say it needs

1598
01:14:04,755 --> 01:14:06,195
to be 24 feet wide.

1599
01:14:06,535 --> 01:14:08,115
We do. We do. And we have

1600
01:14:08,135 --> 01:14:09,135
Follow the policy.

1601
01:14:09,375 --> 01:14:13,365
Yep. It says Oh, okay. Interesting.

1602
01:14:13,955 --> 01:14:17,165
Well, I I think that you know it, it's to protect

1603
01:14:17,905 --> 01:14:19,605
one landowner from another.

1604
01:14:21,235 --> 01:14:22,565
Same reason we have building codes.

1605
01:14:22,565 --> 01:14:24,445
You don't wanna buy a house that's a fire trap

1606
01:14:24,445 --> 01:14:26,485
because the guy didn't follow codes when he built it.

1607
01:14:26,485 --> 01:14:28,325
Right. So it's to protect future

1608
01:14:28,865 --> 01:14:31,885
owners from deficiencies in the infrastructure.

1609
01:14:33,565 --> 01:14:36,645
I get that. But it's a private road.

1610
01:14:36,865 --> 01:14:41,325
So the landowner has, in my,

1611
01:14:41,385 --> 01:14:44,605
in my my opinion, has got the right to, you know,

1612
01:14:44,605 --> 01:14:46,965
if it's a private road, if it's an easement

1613
01:14:47,225 --> 01:14:52,205
to get down there, if a town dictates what the size of

1614
01:14:52,205 --> 01:14:54,285
that private road can be, I think

1615
01:14:54,285 --> 01:14:56,725
that could be constitute maybe a possible taking.

1616
01:14:57,875 --> 01:14:59,965
Well, I mean because it's, you're like,

1617
01:14:59,965 --> 01:15:01,365
you're not gonna get a house on that road

1618
01:15:01,365 --> 01:15:03,805
because it needs to be 24 feet wide.

1619
01:15:04,185 --> 01:15:05,805
And why is that why you want

1620
01:15:05,805 --> 01:15:07,165
to get the fire department down there?

1621
01:15:07,165 --> 01:15:09,605
Well listen, you're signing a waiver saying

1622
01:15:09,665 --> 01:15:10,965
you're taking the liability.

1623
01:15:11,405 --> 01:15:15,515
I think it's a slippery slope myself, but just my opinion.

1624
01:15:18,495 --> 01:15:22,635
Well You have to look at the actual,

1625
01:15:22,855 --> 01:15:25,275
the town has no right to tell me my private road,

1626
01:15:25,575 --> 01:15:26,835
how wide my road is.

1627
01:15:28,185 --> 01:15:29,875
Well the town technically has no right

1628
01:15:29,975 --> 01:15:32,275
or the state has no right to tell you what

1629
01:15:33,355 --> 01:15:36,115
construction code do you you use for your private residence.

1630
01:15:36,405 --> 01:15:37,915
Right. By the same logic,

1631
01:15:39,755 --> 01:15:40,915
I don't, I'm not following that.

1632
01:15:41,215 --> 01:15:42,795
In other words, by the same logic

1633
01:15:43,225 --> 01:15:46,235
that the state has no right to tell you, you have to follow

1634
01:15:47,035 --> 01:15:48,755
a particular electrical code, heating code

1635
01:15:48,755 --> 01:15:50,595
or plumbing code 'cause it's your private home.

1636
01:15:51,345 --> 01:15:53,815
Right. Right. I I don't think that, I think

1637
01:15:53,815 --> 01:15:56,215
that case law has been settled, but

1638
01:15:57,805 --> 01:15:58,805
Alright.

1639
01:15:58,975 --> 01:16:00,015
I don't wanna tie it up any longer.

1640
01:16:00,335 --> 01:16:03,175
I don't, I don't see that as apples to apples. Okay. Yeah,

1641
01:16:04,575 --> 01:16:06,415
I wanna make sure I'm understanding that correctly too.

1642
01:16:06,415 --> 01:16:09,775
To piggyback off Mr. Ello, so if a, a developer chair,

1643
01:16:09,775 --> 01:16:10,775
Mr.

1644
01:16:10,775 --> 01:16:11,455
Chair, we need folks just a little closer

1645
01:16:11,475 --> 01:16:12,535
to the mic please. Sorry. Sure.

1646
01:16:13,055 --> 01:16:14,895
I just wanna make sure, I wanna piggyback off what Mr.

1647
01:16:15,165 --> 01:16:17,175
Ello is saying as well. So if a private,

1648
01:16:17,275 --> 01:16:18,455
as a developer comes in

1649
01:16:18,455 --> 01:16:21,375
and he's gonna develop on a private road, are we saying that

1650
01:16:21,595 --> 01:16:26,575
as the planning board, we're gonna have some say as

1651
01:16:26,575 --> 01:16:28,255
to how wide that road has to be?

1652
01:16:29,065 --> 01:16:30,695
We're to make sure that they can get an ambulance,

1653
01:16:31,285 --> 01:16:34,495
fire department and all that, all the, you know, all that,

1654
01:16:34,495 --> 01:16:37,095
that stuff can get down to their Yes. To their dwelling.

1655
01:16:37,695 --> 01:16:40,695
Apparently the, the the, the law says we can have a say

1656
01:16:41,955 --> 01:16:46,895
We do on the front paragraph again, complies

1657
01:16:46,895 --> 01:16:48,175
with municipality policy.

1658
01:16:48,435 --> 01:16:49,535
That's problematic. Policy.

1659
01:16:49,885 --> 01:16:51,655
It's problematic in my estimation.

1660
01:16:53,435 --> 01:16:55,955
But anyway. Well,

1661
01:16:56,175 --> 01:16:58,955
Is is this a, I assume this is a may not a shell.

1662
01:17:01,695 --> 01:17:04,075
I'd have to dive a little bit deeper into the actual,

1663
01:17:04,415 --> 01:17:05,995
the language of the RSA.

1664
01:17:06,055 --> 01:17:09,885
But we, we, I believe for this one we may,

1665
01:17:11,025 --> 01:17:12,885
we do, we do dictate

1666
01:17:12,905 --> 01:17:15,965
how private roads are built when it comes to 55 and older.

1667
01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:17,965
That's something we've been doing all along.

1668
01:17:18,015 --> 01:17:19,725
Those are generally private roads

1669
01:17:19,725 --> 01:17:22,845
and we've been reviewing those as an example of,

1670
01:17:22,945 --> 01:17:23,965
of when we have done it.

1671
01:17:25,435 --> 01:17:27,245
Okay. I think it's also worth noting

1672
01:17:27,405 --> 01:17:29,285
that this specifically pertains to

1673
01:17:30,445 --> 01:17:32,405
erecting buildings on private roads.

1674
01:17:32,745 --> 01:17:33,845
So it's not like, you know,

1675
01:17:33,845 --> 01:17:35,405
you any road you make on your property.

1676
01:17:35,585 --> 01:17:37,245
No, but what I'm saying is,

1677
01:17:37,385 --> 01:17:38,725
but the state has said

1678
01:17:38,725 --> 01:17:41,165
that you can now build houses on private roads.

1679
01:17:42,145 --> 01:17:45,965
Yes. But so, so you're allowed to do that by, by Right.

1680
01:17:46,105 --> 01:17:48,565
If I own that land on a private road, I'm allowed

1681
01:17:48,565 --> 01:17:49,805
to build a house by Right.

1682
01:17:50,465 --> 01:17:52,005
That's one of the laws that get changed.

1683
01:17:52,715 --> 01:17:53,765
Correct me if I'm wrong.

1684
01:17:54,425 --> 01:17:55,885
And this really is a building code.

1685
01:17:55,885 --> 01:17:57,845
This is really a building permit law.

1686
01:17:59,105 --> 01:18:01,925
So we need to ensure that there's access to the lot

1687
01:18:02,305 --> 01:18:05,245
and that's what the planning board can look at when a road

1688
01:18:05,245 --> 01:18:07,125
doesn't exist or if they're upgrading the road.

1689
01:18:07,405 --> 01:18:08,725
I I don't want to tie it up any longer

1690
01:18:08,725 --> 01:18:10,405
because I think it's, I think

1691
01:18:10,995 --> 01:18:13,485
there's gonna be some issues down the road, not just dairy.

1692
01:18:13,685 --> 01:18:14,725
I think it's gonna be Well

1693
01:18:14,725 --> 01:18:16,525
So when, when you win your election, you can

1694
01:18:17,085 --> 01:18:18,085
Repeal this?

1695
01:18:18,085 --> 01:18:19,605
Well I, I may because I actually, I,

1696
01:18:20,045 --> 01:18:24,245
I actually authored the private road maintenance issue

1697
01:18:24,245 --> 01:18:26,405
that took me three, John maybe remembers

1698
01:18:26,405 --> 01:18:28,405
that took me three years to get through,

1699
01:18:28,895 --> 01:18:32,365
which basically says that anyone that has the right

1700
01:18:32,625 --> 01:18:35,485
to use a private road also is obligated to maintain

1701
01:18:35,485 --> 01:18:37,525
that road that's now codified in law.

1702
01:18:38,225 --> 01:18:41,765
But anyway, okay, let's move on.

1703
01:18:42,315 --> 01:18:43,685
Yeah, we're not, we're not gonna change the

1704
01:18:43,685 --> 01:18:44,805
laws here tonight.

1705
01:18:45,185 --> 01:18:46,325
No. Okay. Thank you.

1706
01:18:49,345 --> 01:18:52,285
Moving on to the next slide.

1707
01:18:55,355 --> 01:18:57,205
Alright, so this next one is

1708
01:18:59,265 --> 01:19:01,085
SB 5 64

1709
01:19:02,865 --> 01:19:04,485
and the purpose is

1710
01:19:04,545 --> 01:19:07,365
to prohibit municipalities from placing limits on

1711
01:19:07,365 --> 01:19:08,485
maximum road length.

1712
01:19:09,165 --> 01:19:10,365
Provided that the proposed roadway

1713
01:19:10,585 --> 01:19:14,045
or extension fully complies with state fired code two

1714
01:19:14,585 --> 01:19:15,845
oh sorry, state fired code.

1715
01:19:16,745 --> 01:19:20,085
It prohibits municipalities from imposing a cap on the

1716
01:19:20,085 --> 01:19:23,245
number of housing lots on a dead end road or street

1717
01:19:23,305 --> 01:19:26,965
unless such cap is in compliance with the state fire code

1718
01:19:27,025 --> 01:19:31,005
and National Fire Protection Association standards 1141.

1719
01:19:31,105 --> 01:19:33,005
And provided that the proposed lots

1720
01:19:33,005 --> 01:19:35,045
otherwise comply with current zoning

1721
01:19:35,045 --> 01:19:36,525
restrictions and requirements.

1722
01:19:38,665 --> 01:19:41,285
It requires municipalities to allow the placement

1723
01:19:41,285 --> 01:19:44,805
of utilities within or along buffer areas or wetland buffers

1724
01:19:45,105 --> 01:19:47,165
or conservation areas of a subdivision

1725
01:19:47,265 --> 01:19:50,645
or lot by a special exception or conditional use permit.

1726
01:19:51,305 --> 01:19:54,205
It also prohibits municipalities from imposing additional

1727
01:19:54,205 --> 01:19:56,405
restrictions of requirements regarding building

1728
01:19:56,465 --> 01:19:58,565
or lot size for effective properties

1729
01:19:58,565 --> 01:20:00,405
before the effective date of the act.

1730
01:20:00,905 --> 01:20:02,325
And the effect on dairy is

1731
01:20:02,325 --> 01:20:06,165
to change the LDCR one 70 dash 26 B five

1732
01:20:06,865 --> 01:20:09,925
and add to the zoning ordinance 1 65 20

1733
01:20:10,305 --> 01:20:12,445
and 1 65 23.

1734
01:20:12,955 --> 01:20:16,845
Alright, so Roman four, what does that mean?

1735
01:20:19,965 --> 01:20:21,605
Prohibit to municipalities from imposing

1736
01:20:21,605 --> 01:20:23,325
additional restrictions?

1737
01:20:23,805 --> 01:20:27,525
I assume that's all requirements regarding building

1738
01:20:28,865 --> 01:20:32,525
or lot size for affected properties

1739
01:20:33,185 --> 01:20:35,925
before the effective date of the act.

1740
01:20:36,505 --> 01:20:39,165
Oh wow. So it's effective in 2027.

1741
01:20:39,465 --> 01:20:43,285
So what it's saying is that we can't, a town can't go in

1742
01:20:43,785 --> 01:20:45,605
before April of 2027

1743
01:20:45,705 --> 01:20:47,525
and change a whole bunch of requirements so

1744
01:20:47,525 --> 01:20:50,125
that this becomes moot in, in a town. Oh,

1745
01:20:51,075 --> 01:20:51,965
Okay. Now I understand

1746
01:20:52,075 --> 01:20:53,075
It's a safe gap.

1747
01:20:59,315 --> 01:21:03,325
Okay. I mean, is there more detail about utilities?

1748
01:21:03,325 --> 01:21:05,005
What, what gets, you know,

1749
01:21:05,905 --> 01:21:08,245
So Allowed in in, in buffers?

1750
01:21:09,035 --> 01:21:11,925
Yeah. So Think it might be,

1751
01:21:12,515 --> 01:21:16,605
Yeah, if you, so that's in the, that's in the zoning

1752
01:21:16,605 --> 01:21:18,965
that's in one 60.

1753
01:21:19,745 --> 01:21:23,805
Is that 1 65 80 or LDCR 1 1 65.

1754
01:21:24,035 --> 01:21:25,485
It's in the wetlands setback

1755
01:21:25,665 --> 01:21:29,085
and it's also in the, I wanna say the,

1756
01:21:31,225 --> 01:21:32,765
I'm looking for these specific language

1757
01:21:33,975 --> 01:21:35,165
Looks like page two of the packet.

1758
01:21:35,655 --> 01:21:39,205
Thank you. It's the placement of utilities such

1759
01:21:39,205 --> 01:21:42,445
as septic systems, wells, electric distribution, drainage,

1760
01:21:42,485 --> 01:21:45,285
drainage structures, storm water management structures,

1761
01:21:45,285 --> 01:21:46,285
and other utilities.

1762
01:21:47,385 --> 01:21:50,205
So again, I can't change the law,

1763
01:21:50,385 --> 01:21:52,885
but I'm thinking putting a septic system in a wetland buffer

1764
01:21:52,885 --> 01:21:53,885
is probably a bad idea.

1765
01:21:53,885 --> 01:21:57,365
But hey, that's the law. Well, you gotta get a de as a

1766
01:21:57,365 --> 01:21:58,365
Permit, right?

1767
01:21:58,785 --> 01:22:00,205
The septic, they still need

1768
01:22:00,205 --> 01:22:02,005
to approve the, the septic plan.

1769
01:22:02,005 --> 01:22:05,245
However, they're, they're permitting septic parts

1770
01:22:05,245 --> 01:22:07,325
of the septic system to be in the wetland buffer.

1771
01:22:07,915 --> 01:22:10,085
It's, they are, yeah. That's what it says.

1772
01:22:10,585 --> 01:22:11,765
Are the state's doing that now

1773
01:22:11,915 --> 01:22:12,915
That that's the law?

1774
01:22:13,395 --> 01:22:16,125
Well, or it will be the law in 2027.

1775
01:22:18,395 --> 01:22:22,285
Yeah. Interesting. Okay.

1776
01:22:27,235 --> 01:22:29,165
Okay. And then for the other pieces,

1777
01:22:30,385 --> 01:22:32,925
the change in the LDCR would be, we need to remove,

1778
01:22:32,925 --> 01:22:35,925
we remove our maximum cul-de-sac length in,

1779
01:22:36,925 --> 01:22:39,685
I think we had had a, a cap of like 30 homes

1780
01:22:39,825 --> 01:22:43,765
or on a, on a cul-de-sac and we need to remove that as well.

1781
01:22:43,945 --> 01:22:46,165
And I, that I don't have any argument with,

1782
01:22:46,205 --> 01:22:49,125
I guess I never really understood the public use

1783
01:22:49,225 --> 01:22:50,365
and purpose in that anyway.

1784
01:22:51,305 --> 01:22:52,305
But,

1785
01:22:56,865 --> 01:23:01,725
So in 2020, so in 2027, you're gonna be able

1786
01:23:01,725 --> 01:23:03,525
to have a septic design

1787
01:23:03,525 --> 01:23:06,130
with the leach field potentially being in wetlands area?

1788
01:23:07,985 --> 01:23:09,965
Not, not in a wetland area. In the wetland buffer.

1789
01:23:10,625 --> 01:23:12,045
So we have our edge of wetland

1790
01:23:12,045 --> 01:23:14,045
and Correct, depending on the side of the size

1791
01:23:14,045 --> 01:23:17,765
of the wetland, it's either a 30 foot or 75 foot or 150.

1792
01:23:18,025 --> 01:23:21,725
But if it's in the buffer, the buffer starts at the edge

1793
01:23:21,725 --> 01:23:24,805
of the jurisdictional wetland and goes out to wherever.

1794
01:23:25,245 --> 01:23:26,405
If it's in the buffer,

1795
01:23:26,825 --> 01:23:29,325
it could be right up against the jurisdictional

1796
01:23:29,325 --> 01:23:30,405
Wetland. Correct? It can be,

1797
01:23:30,995 --> 01:23:31,995
Yeah.

1798
01:23:31,995 --> 01:23:33,445
I don't think it's gonna affect

1799
01:23:33,445 --> 01:23:34,765
dairy as much as some other,

1800
01:23:35,245 --> 01:23:36,765
I mean, and hopefully the DES, you know,

1801
01:23:37,425 --> 01:23:39,925
has some sense about what they approve. We'll see,

1802
01:23:40,585 --> 01:23:45,445
And I mean Roman six in section C of that

1803
01:23:46,275 --> 01:23:47,565
wetland site back area,

1804
01:23:47,585 --> 01:23:49,365
it says the proposed use will not create a hazard

1805
01:23:49,385 --> 01:23:51,085
to individual or public health safety

1806
01:23:51,145 --> 01:23:54,045
and welfare due to the loss of the wetlands buffer,

1807
01:23:54,545 --> 01:23:55,925
the contamination of groundwater

1808
01:23:55,985 --> 01:23:57,645
or other reasons. So there is that.

1809
01:23:58,485 --> 01:24:00,645
Yeah, I mean that probably just means a lot

1810
01:24:00,645 --> 01:24:02,125
of expensive studies, but okay.

1811
01:24:02,785 --> 01:24:05,845
Yep. Cool.

1812
01:24:06,755 --> 01:24:09,485
They just get more fun. They just get more fun. Yeah.

1813
01:24:09,485 --> 01:24:11,445
2020 seven's not too far away.

1814
01:24:13,755 --> 01:24:18,165
Okay. Next 1, 2 44.

1815
01:24:18,795 --> 01:24:21,445
This one's a short one, HB 2 44.

1816
01:24:22,185 --> 01:24:24,525
And the purpose is to reorganize the state building

1817
01:24:24,545 --> 01:24:26,085
and fire code by re

1818
01:24:27,365 --> 01:24:30,685
repealing it from the cur the certain parts of the RSA

1819
01:24:30,685 --> 01:24:33,765
and re reenacting it with some modifications

1820
01:24:33,825 --> 01:24:35,685
to another part of the RSA.

1821
01:24:36,385 --> 01:24:37,445
And the effect is

1822
01:24:37,445 --> 01:24:40,525
to add a new section in the zoning ordinance 1 65 dash

1823
01:24:40,745 --> 01:24:44,725
1 26 3 and three A

1824
01:24:48,105 --> 01:24:50,645
To reference those new RSA citations.

1825
01:24:50,665 --> 01:24:54,725
Is that the the point? Yes. Okay. It seems fairly benign.

1826
01:24:56,875 --> 01:24:57,875
Okay.

1827
01:25:01,425 --> 01:25:03,605
All right. And with these next two, they go hand in hand.

1828
01:25:03,605 --> 01:25:08,045
So I kind of combine them the these two are HB one

1829
01:25:08,665 --> 01:25:10,725
or 1588 and HB 10 10.

1830
01:25:11,265 --> 01:25:16,045
The purpose of HB 1588 is to regulate accessory parking

1831
01:25:16,225 --> 01:25:18,005
to not be required parking

1832
01:25:18,305 --> 01:25:20,725
or regulate accessory parking,

1833
01:25:20,945 --> 01:25:24,045
to not require parking spaces per unit to be garage

1834
01:25:24,745 --> 01:25:26,125
and to allow municipalities

1835
01:25:26,345 --> 01:25:29,165
to impose limited requirements on multi-family

1836
01:25:29,905 --> 01:25:33,005
in commercial districts, which requires updates

1837
01:25:33,025 --> 01:25:35,965
to the zoning ordinance in GC in all

1838
01:25:35,965 --> 01:25:37,845
of the GCs industrial two

1839
01:25:38,105 --> 01:25:40,725
and the neighborhood commercial. And

1840
01:25:40,785 --> 01:25:42,405
So haven't we done some of this already?

1841
01:25:43,215 --> 01:25:44,805
We've done a little bit, but Okay.

1842
01:25:45,265 --> 01:25:47,285
It takes away some of what we did.

1843
01:25:48,035 --> 01:25:53,005
Okay. And for HB 10 10,

1844
01:25:53,225 --> 01:25:56,485
the purposes are to require municipalities

1845
01:25:56,665 --> 01:26:00,165
to allow multifamily dwellings on commercially zoned land

1846
01:26:00,355 --> 01:26:03,285
subject to the local planning board confirming

1847
01:26:03,405 --> 01:26:05,245
that infrastructure is adequate

1848
01:26:06,445 --> 01:26:09,325
authorizing the local planning board to deny applications

1849
01:26:09,345 --> 01:26:12,445
to build multi-family dwelling units on commercially zoned

1850
01:26:12,445 --> 01:26:13,765
land in certain circumstances.

1851
01:26:14,505 --> 01:26:17,245
And it removes the ability to provide an exception

1852
01:26:17,245 --> 01:26:20,085
for requirements relative to the municipality's conversation

1853
01:26:20,465 --> 01:26:21,765
or conversion, sorry,

1854
01:26:22,185 --> 01:26:25,445
of structures into multi-family dwelling units

1855
01:26:25,545 --> 01:26:28,645
and replaces such exception to permit the waiver

1856
01:26:28,825 --> 01:26:31,205
of requirements so long

1857
01:26:31,205 --> 01:26:34,045
as the converted dwelling unit is not altered

1858
01:26:34,045 --> 01:26:36,605
to further violate zoning dimensional requirements

1859
01:26:36,985 --> 01:26:40,365
and it updates the same zones.

1860
01:26:47,185 --> 01:26:50,245
Now some of these, I'm looking at the effective date

1861
01:26:52,785 --> 01:26:57,245
that's either, you know, very close or kind of close.

1862
01:26:57,555 --> 01:26:58,565
It's effective now,

1863
01:27:01,505 --> 01:27:05,925
So, well nine 13 isn't yet Oh one

1864
01:27:05,925 --> 01:27:09,325
Looking at, But Right.

1865
01:27:12,925 --> 01:27:17,485
I don't, well I don't think this stuff goes as quickly

1866
01:27:17,625 --> 01:27:19,165
as one imagines

1867
01:27:19,165 --> 01:27:22,965
unless it's, you know, very uncontroversial.

1868
01:27:22,995 --> 01:27:25,165
Last time we tried to do zoning

1869
01:27:25,165 --> 01:27:26,565
amendments, it it did take months.

1870
01:27:27,435 --> 01:27:29,765
Yeah, Of course. That was some changes of uses.

1871
01:27:29,995 --> 01:27:32,085
Yeah. The, this one in particular, the thing

1872
01:27:32,085 --> 01:27:33,605
that it really affects is

1873
01:27:33,605 --> 01:27:37,925
that our multifamily residential uses, we said that there

1874
01:27:38,465 --> 01:27:41,645
you can do multifamily in these districts if you have a

1875
01:27:41,645 --> 01:27:44,285
commercial use, it has to be mixed use.

1876
01:27:44,425 --> 01:27:46,645
It takes away that mixed use option.

1877
01:27:47,345 --> 01:27:48,645
So we can have in our,

1878
01:27:48,905 --> 01:27:51,765
now in our general commercial district, you can

1879
01:27:52,415 --> 01:27:53,845
place an apartment building there.

1880
01:27:54,465 --> 01:27:57,765
So I guess my suggestion

1881
01:27:57,905 --> 01:28:02,005
as a practical way forward, rather than try to rush this

1882
01:28:02,145 --> 01:28:03,765
and do a sloppy job and Quebec

1883
01:28:03,765 --> 01:28:06,765
and have to fix it potentially, that we simply take note

1884
01:28:07,265 --> 01:28:09,045
of those things that have become effective.

1885
01:28:09,385 --> 01:28:11,885
And even if our ordinance is still out of compliance,

1886
01:28:12,385 --> 01:28:15,005
we just don't enforce the parts that are out of compliance.

1887
01:28:18,755 --> 01:28:21,285
Does that also mean duplexes can be built now?

1888
01:28:22,625 --> 01:28:26,045
Has to be multifamily? So that's state three or more?

1889
01:28:29,155 --> 01:28:31,765
It's a triplex. Yeah, I'm just saying,

1890
01:28:31,945 --> 01:28:34,765
Or I think it's three or more in the state. Yeah.

1891
01:28:35,525 --> 01:28:37,005
I mean, years ago they may, you know,

1892
01:28:38,535 --> 01:28:41,165
Dairy, we've got tons of duplexes in the town of DER

1893
01:28:41,165 --> 01:28:42,205
that were built in the eighties,

1894
01:28:42,265 --> 01:28:44,725
but then we stopped allowing them to happen

1895
01:28:45,705 --> 01:28:46,965
the side by side two family.

1896
01:28:47,595 --> 01:28:51,245
Well, unless the state has changed the definition

1897
01:28:51,245 --> 01:28:54,005
of multifamily to include duplexes,

1898
01:28:54,125 --> 01:28:56,405
I don't know if that has happened.

1899
01:28:56,635 --> 01:28:57,635
Yeah,

1900
01:28:59,635 --> 01:29:02,765
Because I do, I do see in other towns they are building

1901
01:29:02,765 --> 01:29:05,605
them, you know, duplexes.

1902
01:29:08,395 --> 01:29:12,565
Well, I mean, I wasn't really here during

1903
01:29:12,565 --> 01:29:14,005
that big boom.

1904
01:29:14,125 --> 01:29:17,925
I, I, I think the, the, the issue was that you had

1905
01:29:19,725 --> 01:29:22,885
a two member condo association

1906
01:29:22,885 --> 01:29:26,205
with no tie breaking, you know, third member.

1907
01:29:26,225 --> 01:29:28,885
And so there was lots of inter neighbor fighting

1908
01:29:29,145 --> 01:29:30,645
and it just caused problems.

1909
01:29:31,325 --> 01:29:34,965
I think you're right. Although I will add a lot of 'em had

1910
01:29:34,965 --> 01:29:37,925
what they called arbitrary arbitration agreements.

1911
01:29:38,025 --> 01:29:41,565
If you can't Yeah, right. Do you go to arbitration?

1912
01:29:42,475 --> 01:29:44,695
But the other big kicker was a lot

1913
01:29:44,695 --> 01:29:47,735
of them shared septics.

1914
01:29:49,115 --> 01:29:50,895
So you had one septic system. Right.

1915
01:29:50,955 --> 01:29:53,815
And then you had, if you had two bedrooms in each side,

1916
01:29:53,815 --> 01:29:55,095
that's four bedrooms, you know,

1917
01:29:55,095 --> 01:29:57,535
and they were put in probably a thousand gallon tank in,

1918
01:29:58,105 --> 01:29:59,615
which probably wasn't sufficient,

1919
01:30:00,995 --> 01:30:02,615
was another thing. But anyway,

1920
01:30:02,885 --> 01:30:03,885
Yeah.

1921
01:30:03,885 --> 01:30:05,655
So anyway, let's, let's not worry about that

1922
01:30:05,715 --> 01:30:07,455
unless they have changed the definition.

1923
01:30:07,765 --> 01:30:11,795
Okay. Okay. So all this is just exciting.

1924
01:30:12,775 --> 01:30:14,635
It gets more exciting. Yes.

1925
01:30:14,895 --> 01:30:16,115
Oh good. Oh yeah.

1926
01:30:16,575 --> 01:30:19,315
So our next one is HB 10 79,

1927
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:22,835
and the purpose is to expand the definition

1928
01:30:22,935 --> 01:30:25,755
of accessory dwelling units to allow them

1929
01:30:25,775 --> 01:30:28,275
to be built within non-conforming structures.

1930
01:30:28,735 --> 01:30:31,395
And the effect on dairy is to edit the A DU definition

1931
01:30:32,225 --> 01:30:35,675
edit section 1 65 dash 25 to specify

1932
01:30:36,345 --> 01:30:38,835
ADUs may be created on lots containing single family

1933
01:30:38,835 --> 01:30:42,595
dwellings, dwelling existing dwellings existing as

1934
01:30:42,595 --> 01:30:44,275
of July 1st, 2025.

1935
01:30:44,935 --> 01:30:47,155
And to add an existing, a condition

1936
01:30:47,495 --> 01:30:49,475
for pre-existing non-conforming structures.

1937
01:30:51,905 --> 01:30:52,195
Okay,

1938
01:31:04,825 --> 01:31:05,825
Cool.

1939
01:31:06,215 --> 01:31:09,275
Our next one is HB 1195,

1940
01:31:09,815 --> 01:31:14,115
and the purpose is to define childcare centers for purpose

1941
01:31:14,255 --> 01:31:18,475
of land, or sorry, for purpose of local zoning requirements.

1942
01:31:18,615 --> 01:31:20,155
And provides with exception

1943
01:31:21,155 --> 01:31:23,835
municipalities shall allow the operation

1944
01:31:23,855 --> 01:31:27,675
of a childcare center on commercially zoned land provide

1945
01:31:27,945 --> 01:31:31,275
that the center is in compliance with licensing requirements

1946
01:31:31,275 --> 01:31:33,235
of the Department of Health and Human Services.

1947
01:31:33,935 --> 01:31:36,355
And the effect on dairy is to add a new definition

1948
01:31:36,355 --> 01:31:37,675
of childcare center

1949
01:31:38,255 --> 01:31:42,915
and change the zoning ordinance in the four GCs

1950
01:31:44,255 --> 01:31:47,715
and to renumber the permitted uses in the

1951
01:31:47,915 --> 01:31:49,035
zones listed above.

1952
01:31:50,335 --> 01:31:52,595
That's pretty subtle. Yeah.

1953
01:31:52,595 --> 01:31:53,675
And we were ahead of the curve

1954
01:31:53,675 --> 01:31:56,395
with this one when we permitted group daycare in the

1955
01:31:56,595 --> 01:31:58,635
industrial district. So,

1956
01:31:58,825 --> 01:31:59,825
Yeah.

1957
01:32:03,915 --> 01:32:05,645
Okay. Go ahead. Good.

1958
01:32:06,585 --> 01:32:10,485
All right. This one's my favorite, HB 1681 is

1959
01:32:10,505 --> 01:32:11,765
to establish standards

1960
01:32:11,765 --> 01:32:14,045
for innovative housing structures such as tiny houses,

1961
01:32:14,315 --> 01:32:15,605
tiny houses on wheels

1962
01:32:15,905 --> 01:32:18,685
and yurts, allowing their use as single family

1963
01:32:18,785 --> 01:32:21,725
or accessory accessory dwellings, sitting

1964
01:32:21,825 --> 01:32:26,045
and permitting requirements authorizing municipal property

1965
01:32:26,145 --> 01:32:28,645
tax assessments, regulating transport

1966
01:32:28,645 --> 01:32:31,005
and permitting gray water disposal systems.

1967
01:32:31,465 --> 01:32:32,765
And the effect on dairy is

1968
01:32:32,765 --> 01:32:35,685
to add four new definitions in the zoning ordinance,

1969
01:32:36,095 --> 01:32:37,885
which are innovative housing structures.

1970
01:32:38,115 --> 01:32:41,125
Tiny houses, tiny houses on wheels and yurts.

1971
01:32:41,665 --> 01:32:43,525
Add a new section in the zoning ordinance

1972
01:32:43,585 --> 01:32:45,125
for innovative housing structures,

1973
01:32:45,775 --> 01:32:49,005
which is 1 65 dash 25 1

1974
01:32:49,875 --> 01:32:52,245
into permit innovative housing structures in zones.

1975
01:32:53,165 --> 01:32:57,365
MDHR two, M-D-R-L-M-D-R and LDR

1976
01:32:58,775 --> 01:32:59,775
Yurts.

1977
01:32:59,985 --> 01:33:01,165
Really? Yes.

1978
01:33:03,125 --> 01:33:06,125
I I'm, I'm like looking at tiny houses on

1979
01:33:06,225 --> 01:33:07,365
Wheels Trailer park.

1980
01:33:07,425 --> 01:33:10,525
Yes. Right. Because long ago,

1981
01:33:12,125 --> 01:33:13,885
I won't name anything but there was a golf

1982
01:33:13,885 --> 01:33:15,045
course in the Mr chair.

1983
01:33:15,045 --> 01:33:17,165
Just if we could get proximity to the microphone.

1984
01:33:17,185 --> 01:33:19,605
Oh, thank you. You know,

1985
01:33:19,615 --> 01:33:23,845
we've got a golf course in East Derry that had all these,

1986
01:33:25,275 --> 01:33:27,005
like, I wanna say campers.

1987
01:33:28,125 --> 01:33:31,495
Okay. And the law basically says they have

1988
01:33:31,495 --> 01:33:33,015
to be registered like vehicles.

1989
01:33:34,675 --> 01:33:37,535
But now if we're calling those tiny houses on how do,

1990
01:33:37,555 --> 01:33:40,695
how do we differentiate the two, you know,

1991
01:33:42,365 --> 01:33:44,935
like that, that could be considered a tiny house on wheels.

1992
01:33:45,365 --> 01:33:48,295
Yeah. So and so

1993
01:33:49,795 --> 01:33:52,655
letter G says a structure is not a trailer,

1994
01:33:52,805 --> 01:33:53,975
semi trailer camp.

1995
01:33:53,975 --> 01:33:55,655
Trailer or recreational vehicle.

1996
01:33:56,365 --> 01:33:57,575
Okay. If that helps.

1997
01:33:58,445 --> 01:34:01,655
Alright. So silly question.

1998
01:34:02,045 --> 01:34:04,415
Explain to me what a tiny house on Wheels is then.

1999
01:34:05,405 --> 01:34:08,575
That is a good question. You define it. We

2000
01:34:08,575 --> 01:34:09,575
Do define It.

2001
01:34:09,575 --> 01:34:10,255
So, so it's, it's innovative.

2002
01:34:10,565 --> 01:34:13,255
It's like I live in dairy for a year. It's on wheels.

2003
01:34:13,455 --> 01:34:16,015
I get tired of dairy, so I'm going to pick up my house

2004
01:34:16,115 --> 01:34:19,815
and connect it to my F-150 and move it to London Dairy,

2005
01:34:19,915 --> 01:34:21,015
Pre-manufactured housing

2006
01:34:21,195 --> 01:34:25,295
or double wides, you know, often come on wheels.

2007
01:34:25,505 --> 01:34:26,775
Right. You don't take 'em off.

2008
01:34:26,995 --> 01:34:28,495
You have a tiny house on wheels.

2009
01:34:30,275 --> 01:34:34,495
Yes. But the interesting thing is, on that note,

2010
01:34:35,715 --> 01:34:38,895
if you're trying to sell one of those on wheels, try

2011
01:34:38,895 --> 01:34:42,335
to get a loan because you've either gonna need cash

2012
01:34:42,555 --> 01:34:44,375
or you've,

2013
01:34:44,375 --> 01:34:47,135
you've gotta get this one place in New Hampshire community

2014
01:34:47,135 --> 01:34:48,135
Loan fund.

2015
01:34:48,135 --> 01:34:52,255
We fix that too. So I'm more concerned about yurts

2016
01:34:52,415 --> 01:34:55,295
'cause yurts are basically one step up from a tent. Yep.

2017
01:34:55,835 --> 01:34:57,845
That's What I thought too. Toos,

2018
01:34:58,845 --> 01:35:01,205
I don't even know how you put like, you know, plumbing

2019
01:35:01,305 --> 01:35:03,325
and sanitary facilities in a yurt

2020
01:35:04,825 --> 01:35:05,825
And water.

2021
01:35:05,835 --> 01:35:08,045
Well the, I know there have a lot of things

2022
01:35:08,045 --> 01:35:10,245
that people have been describing as yurts just

2023
01:35:10,245 --> 01:35:12,005
because they're in the shape of a yurt.

2024
01:35:12,185 --> 01:35:14,645
It really is, for all intents and purposes a house.

2025
01:35:14,755 --> 01:35:16,325
It's just happens to be in a circle

2026
01:35:16,395 --> 01:35:18,565
with like a cone on the top.

2027
01:35:19,365 --> 01:35:20,645
I I assume that's what it means

2028
01:35:20,645 --> 01:35:22,805
because you like you saying as a tent,

2029
01:35:23,065 --> 01:35:24,165
The specific definition.

2030
01:35:24,195 --> 01:35:25,195
Yeah.

2031
01:35:28,065 --> 01:35:29,645
And in all of these things they're,

2032
01:35:30,675 --> 01:35:32,005
when they're constructed

2033
01:35:32,105 --> 01:35:33,325
or permitted, they'll have

2034
01:35:33,325 --> 01:35:35,365
to meet certain code requirements. I dunno if you

2035
01:35:35,365 --> 01:35:37,245
Got the two Magazines, no one's knocking on the door

2036
01:35:37,245 --> 01:35:38,485
off of building yards yet.

2037
01:35:39,545 --> 01:35:41,245
We haven't had a rush. No. Okay,

2038
01:35:41,715 --> 01:35:42,715
I'll get right on it.

2039
01:35:45,755 --> 01:35:48,765
Okay. Let's see how much better it gets. Okay.

2040
01:35:48,985 --> 01:35:50,165
And that's all. Thank you. That's it.

2041
01:35:51,195 --> 01:35:53,005
Much better. Well, I

2042
01:35:53,285 --> 01:35:56,885
Mean, I, I think the legislature had the right intent.

2043
01:35:56,885 --> 01:35:58,085
They, they were trying to solve

2044
01:35:58,745 --> 01:36:00,125
New Hampshire's housing crisis.

2045
01:36:00,435 --> 01:36:03,485
Whether all of these things work well as intended

2046
01:36:03,505 --> 01:36:06,245
or whether they have unintended side effects

2047
01:36:06,265 --> 01:36:08,645
or consequences will be determined

2048
01:36:08,645 --> 01:36:09,925
as we roll them out. Right.

2049
01:36:10,675 --> 01:36:13,445
Yeah. I think it's literally roll 'em out affordability

2050
01:36:13,465 --> 01:36:15,645
Issues too, basically.

2051
01:36:16,555 --> 01:36:19,085
Okay. Well According to a study they just completed,

2052
01:36:19,085 --> 01:36:23,245
there are 30,000 houses that are not full-time houses.

2053
01:36:23,635 --> 01:36:26,085
They're all part of the VRB type programs,

2054
01:36:26,665 --> 01:36:29,285
but that's what happened to a lot of the nationwide.

2055
01:36:29,875 --> 01:36:32,085
Everybody's putting it out as a vacation home,

2056
01:36:33,385 --> 01:36:36,125
Airbnb and such, But 30,000 in New Hampshire is

2057
01:36:36,125 --> 01:36:38,325
available if he was in the BRB.

2058
01:36:39,315 --> 01:36:41,365
Okay. We now move on

2059
01:36:41,333 --> 01:36:43,285
to planning director and chairman updates.

2060
01:36:43,605 --> 01:36:47,165
I just have a few. So last evening the town council

2061
01:36:47,765 --> 01:36:50,925
approved the changes to the central business district

2062
01:36:50,945 --> 01:36:54,285
and then the LDCR changes that were, well we approved those,

2063
01:36:54,705 --> 01:36:58,005
so they will be effective on September 3rd.

2064
01:36:59,915 --> 01:37:02,565
John today forwarded information.

2065
01:37:02,565 --> 01:37:05,405
There are basically a DU manuals for homeowners.

2066
01:37:05,665 --> 01:37:09,445
We can forward that to you for, just

2067
01:37:09,545 --> 01:37:12,005
to give you a little bit more background information on

2068
01:37:12,005 --> 01:37:15,605
how ADUs are permitted and why people move that way.

2069
01:37:17,665 --> 01:37:21,325
We will be resuming our regular schedule back in September.

2070
01:37:21,465 --> 01:37:23,365
So our next meeting will be September 2nd.

2071
01:37:24,785 --> 01:37:28,205
And I'd like to take this opportunity to say,

2072
01:37:28,205 --> 01:37:32,045
this is Abby's last meeting with the board for this year.

2073
01:37:34,025 --> 01:37:36,445
She has been an absolute joy

2074
01:37:36,585 --> 01:37:41,005
and help, we have been extremely busy in the planning office

2075
01:37:41,065 --> 01:37:42,565
and honestly without Caroline

2076
01:37:42,565 --> 01:37:47,445
and Abby to help get through the amount of work

2077
01:37:47,445 --> 01:37:48,845
that's come through, I don't know

2078
01:37:48,845 --> 01:37:50,085
how it would have gotten done.

2079
01:37:51,155 --> 01:37:55,405
Abby has spearheaded some of the, the,

2080
01:37:56,145 --> 01:37:57,605
the housing work that we're doing

2081
01:37:57,605 --> 01:37:59,165
with Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission,

2082
01:37:59,165 --> 01:38:00,805
which we should have some updates at

2083
01:38:00,805 --> 01:38:01,845
our next meeting on that.

2084
01:38:02,775 --> 01:38:05,405
She's, she helped the town administrator on projects.

2085
01:38:05,495 --> 01:38:07,245
She's helped the bus economic

2086
01:38:07,245 --> 01:38:08,765
development director on projects.

2087
01:38:09,375 --> 01:38:10,645
Every time I get calls

2088
01:38:10,645 --> 01:38:12,765
and I'm like, Hey, can you take care of this one?

2089
01:38:13,945 --> 01:38:16,085
You know, people calling and asking, we get a lot

2090
01:38:16,085 --> 01:38:18,125
of calls about can I subdivide this property

2091
01:38:18,305 --> 01:38:20,205
or they want research on a property.

2092
01:38:20,265 --> 01:38:23,485
And Abby has, has just jumped right in and taken that

2093
01:38:23,625 --> 01:38:27,125
and has honestly done the work of a,

2094
01:38:27,285 --> 01:38:29,285
a planner this summer.

2095
01:38:29,585 --> 01:38:31,365
So I'd like to commend her for that

2096
01:38:31,545 --> 01:38:35,085
and thank her for her assistance job.

2097
01:38:40,595 --> 01:38:42,765
Come back. Come back later. I'll try.

2098
01:38:45,595 --> 01:38:48,325
Alright. I got nothing except you forgot one.

2099
01:38:48,725 --> 01:38:52,805
I did. Who Wants to join the coloring plans workshop?

2100
01:38:53,305 --> 01:38:56,005
Oh, I forgot. Yes. Everyone say yes,

2101
01:38:56,585 --> 01:38:59,045
Please say Yes. One hand right now.

2102
01:38:59,225 --> 01:39:02,365
No. Two Hands up. Yes. So do we know the date on that?

2103
01:39:03,205 --> 01:39:05,125
September 25th. Thank you. In the morning.

2104
01:39:05,305 --> 01:39:06,765
So September 25th,

2105
01:39:06,985 --> 01:39:09,845
it will be in the morning in this room. Oh,

2106
01:39:09,845 --> 01:39:11,285
That's what Sylvia, yeah.

2107
01:39:11,545 --> 01:39:14,245
So Sylvia Vanek will be, no,

2108
01:39:14,245 --> 01:39:15,445
you should, you should say this.

2109
01:39:16,545 --> 01:39:17,805
So I I went to it.

2110
01:39:19,185 --> 01:39:22,365
She, she's the recently retired executive director of

2111
01:39:23,405 --> 01:39:24,365
Southern Southern Hampshire Planning,

2112
01:39:24,485 --> 01:39:25,285
Southern New Hampshire Planning Commission.

2113
01:39:26,005 --> 01:39:27,765
Very, very creative woman.

2114
01:39:29,385 --> 01:39:33,245
And the theory is that when you're looking at one of these,

2115
01:39:35,425 --> 01:39:38,845
the ledger size black

2116
01:39:38,845 --> 01:39:41,565
and white plans with all the little dotted lines

2117
01:39:41,665 --> 01:39:42,885
and squiggles

2118
01:39:42,885 --> 01:39:46,165
and whatnot, it can be a little hard to figure out

2119
01:39:46,315 --> 01:39:47,925
what actually they're telling you.

2120
01:39:48,745 --> 01:39:53,325
So her technique is to take all the important features

2121
01:39:53,865 --> 01:39:55,565
and color code them with markers,

2122
01:39:56,115 --> 01:39:57,485
literally coloring the plan.

2123
01:39:58,585 --> 01:40:00,725
The, the gradients, all those little, you know,

2124
01:40:01,165 --> 01:40:02,525
constant distance contour lines.

2125
01:40:02,525 --> 01:40:04,725
You could figure out where the steep slopes are, where,

2126
01:40:04,905 --> 01:40:08,125
you know, cars are gonna be rolling off the hill, you know,

2127
01:40:08,125 --> 01:40:10,845
where the wetlands are, the setbacks, the, you know,

2128
01:40:10,865 --> 01:40:15,045
the extent of roadways when you, when you go through

2129
01:40:15,045 --> 01:40:18,205
that discipline and you color up your plan set

2130
01:40:18,205 --> 01:40:20,245
and you bring it to the meeting, it just makes it

2131
01:40:20,245 --> 01:40:22,405
so much easier to ask good questions.

2132
01:40:23,185 --> 01:40:25,525
So I, I highly endorse it and it,

2133
01:40:25,525 --> 01:40:29,605
and it's fun to just color stress reliever.

2134
01:40:29,915 --> 01:40:33,965
Yeah. It's offered by OPD so there will be a cost for it,

2135
01:40:34,025 --> 01:40:36,965
but the planning department will handle the cost.

2136
01:40:37,625 --> 01:40:40,485
So encourage as many members who can

2137
01:40:40,665 --> 01:40:42,125
to plead, you know, attend, use black.

2138
01:40:42,945 --> 01:40:45,845
So I mean, it, it is also gonna be open to other planners.

2139
01:40:46,225 --> 01:40:47,285
It it will be. Yeah.

2140
01:40:47,905 --> 01:40:51,845
So we'll, we'll have a, potentially a larger audience,

2141
01:40:52,105 --> 01:40:55,205
but I think given that we ought to, we need to represent,

2142
01:40:55,425 --> 01:40:58,645
we need to have a good show up from our board for this.

2143
01:40:58,705 --> 01:41:00,085
Please. Yes, please.

2144
01:41:00,765 --> 01:41:03,885
I think the room can hold about 40 for that type of event.

2145
01:41:04,585 --> 01:41:09,365
Ooh. Okay. So thank you.

2146
01:41:11,165 --> 01:41:13,325
Somebody will be pinging you if you don't respond, right?

2147
01:41:13,885 --> 01:41:16,885
Yeah. Yes. That's all I have.

2148
01:41:18,533 --> 01:41:19,765
Are there board member comments?

2149
01:41:25,133 --> 01:41:28,335
Not that I can think of. Motion to adjourn? Second. Okay.

2150
01:41:28,335 --> 01:41:30,655
And we have a motion and a second to adjourn.

2151
01:41:30,655 --> 01:41:33,655
Those in favor say aye. A, you adjourned.