1 00:00:05,385 --> 00:00:07,565 I'd like to call the Dairy Conservation Commission meeting 2 00:00:07,585 --> 00:00:12,325 to order everybody silence their cell phones, please. 3 00:00:13,465 --> 00:00:15,325 And we'll stop the meeting with Pledge of Allegiance 4 00:00:21,085 --> 00:00:23,865 To the Flag Flag of the United States of America 5 00:00:24,685 --> 00:00:28,825 to your college, which, which stands, one Nation under God, 6 00:00:29,415 --> 00:00:32,585 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:39,605 --> 00:00:40,825 Hi. Thanks for coming tonight. 8 00:00:41,695 --> 00:00:44,905 Emergency exits in, in this room are located at the back 9 00:00:45,805 --> 00:00:48,345 and to my right, if there's an emergency in the building, 10 00:00:48,965 --> 00:00:50,305 please don't use the elevator. 11 00:00:50,325 --> 00:00:53,225 Use the stairs. If you need assistance, ask one 12 00:00:53,225 --> 00:00:54,465 of the commissioners for help. 13 00:00:56,585 --> 00:00:58,065 We'll stop the evening off 14 00:00:58,095 --> 00:01:00,785 with introduction of commissioners. 15 00:01:02,245 --> 00:01:05,025 And I'll council liaison all the way to my right 16 00:01:05,995 --> 00:01:07,465 Shall I put town Council liaison. 17 00:01:07,465 --> 00:01:09,705 Good evening. Christopher Warlock. 18 00:01:10,285 --> 00:01:12,225 Cheryl Holbert. Jay Hildreth. 19 00:01:12,535 --> 00:01:15,705 Rick Metz. Bob Sperl. 20 00:01:16,465 --> 00:01:20,665 I lead to both Catherine Arbor. 21 00:01:20,935 --> 00:01:21,945 Elizabeth Carver. 22 00:01:22,765 --> 00:01:24,625 And I'm the chair. Rico Za. 23 00:01:27,155 --> 00:01:29,575 Mr. Chair, apologies. Can we ensure everyone's microphone 24 00:01:29,595 --> 00:01:31,375 is on 25 00:01:36,155 --> 00:01:37,775 So your green light on at the bottom, 26 00:01:37,775 --> 00:01:40,815 everybody's green light on. Yes. Mine 27 00:01:40,815 --> 00:01:41,735 Is now. It was not 28 00:01:41,735 --> 00:01:42,735 Before. 29 00:01:42,735 --> 00:01:43,415 Okay, good. You you got, 30 00:01:43,415 --> 00:01:44,775 you got everything though, right Owen? 31 00:01:45,066 --> 00:01:48,575 Yep. Thank you. Alright, thank you. Alright. Chair's report. 32 00:01:48,855 --> 00:01:51,495 First order of business. Sad but happy. 33 00:01:51,975 --> 00:01:55,735 Val Conley is moving to where she bought a, her 34 00:01:55,735 --> 00:01:57,175 and her fiance bought a house in Ware. 35 00:01:58,115 --> 00:01:59,815 And one of the requirements to, 36 00:01:59,915 --> 00:02:01,055 to sit on this commission 37 00:02:01,055 --> 00:02:02,175 is you have to be a resident of town. 38 00:02:02,235 --> 00:02:04,415 So she, she was gonna try to come to tonight 39 00:02:04,415 --> 00:02:06,455 and say goodbye, but I, I get that she's busy, 40 00:02:07,595 --> 00:02:09,775 so we, we wish her well. 41 00:02:11,115 --> 00:02:14,175 And she says she might see us in the future 42 00:02:14,575 --> 00:02:17,055 'cause she may get involved in conservation in her, 43 00:02:17,075 --> 00:02:18,535 in her new community. So I 44 00:02:18,535 --> 00:02:19,975 Hope she does. She was 45 00:02:20,175 --> 00:02:21,175 Excellent. 46 00:02:21,175 --> 00:02:22,095 Yeah. Val, if you'll, if you are watching, 47 00:02:22,335 --> 00:02:25,575 we'll miss you terribly and good luck in your, in your new, 48 00:02:25,815 --> 00:02:26,415 in your new home 49 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:31,655 and correspondence. 50 00:02:31,755 --> 00:02:36,335 We have A letter from 51 00:02:36,705 --> 00:02:39,815 Jacob and Sarah White regarding a property 52 00:02:39,815 --> 00:02:41,815 that was recently purchased at 53 00:02:43,395 --> 00:02:47,815 one feathered Featherbed Lane, 59 dash 69. 54 00:02:48,295 --> 00:02:51,215 It's basically just a, a description of what 55 00:02:52,265 --> 00:02:55,535 she's seen on that property over the, the years 56 00:02:55,535 --> 00:03:00,205 that she's lived there regarding wildlife and, and animals 57 00:03:00,425 --> 00:03:01,765 and, and stuff like that. 58 00:03:01,865 --> 00:03:04,165 And she wants us, she's urging us to, 59 00:03:05,145 --> 00:03:06,805 to just do our due diligence, 60 00:03:06,805 --> 00:03:08,245 which we don't need to be urged to do that. 61 00:03:08,245 --> 00:03:10,365 We do our due diligence whether we're urged to or not. 62 00:03:11,045 --> 00:03:15,165 But I've instructed our land manager, Beth, to 63 00:03:16,725 --> 00:03:18,485 just reply to that letter and, 64 00:03:18,485 --> 00:03:21,965 and tell them that we're, we're gonna do everything we can 65 00:03:22,065 --> 00:03:24,405 to within our purview to make sure that it, 66 00:03:24,705 --> 00:03:26,805 it helps the community from conservation perspective. 67 00:03:27,425 --> 00:03:29,045 We have reported alleged violation. 68 00:03:29,115 --> 00:03:31,725 I'll send that to my left first. You guys can look it over. 69 00:03:32,625 --> 00:03:35,085 We have a reported alleged violation 70 00:03:35,225 --> 00:03:37,445 for a property at 54 Beaver Lake Avenue. 71 00:03:37,925 --> 00:03:40,965 Derry Tax map number 51 lot number 75, 72 00:03:41,145 --> 00:03:42,365 that's gonna go to my left. 73 00:03:43,685 --> 00:03:45,205 A reported alleged violation 74 00:03:45,385 --> 00:03:49,325 for a property at 19 Whitney's Grove Tax map number 15, 75 00:03:49,425 --> 00:03:50,765 lot number 16 dash four. 76 00:03:50,765 --> 00:03:55,085 That'll go to my left. And the second 77 00:03:55,085 --> 00:03:56,525 notice for the same property. 78 00:03:56,975 --> 00:03:58,205 Those are all going to my left. 79 00:03:58,205 --> 00:04:01,285 You guys come look at 'em and then send 'em back this way. 80 00:04:01,285 --> 00:04:03,085 So the people on the other side of the room can 81 00:04:04,105 --> 00:04:05,605 we have a report? 82 00:04:06,285 --> 00:04:07,845 Waste Management Division. 83 00:04:08,405 --> 00:04:11,045 It's a renewal for the groundwater release detention permit 84 00:04:11,045 --> 00:04:14,285 for b and H Oil at 36 South Main Street. 85 00:04:14,525 --> 00:04:16,725 Derry received on July 13th. 86 00:04:16,795 --> 00:04:20,285 They're required to do this as they renew their permits. 87 00:04:20,285 --> 00:04:22,445 That'll go to my right. We'll go 88 00:04:23,265 --> 00:04:24,525 the opposite way with that one. 89 00:04:29,425 --> 00:04:30,885 That's all I have for correspondence. 90 00:04:30,885 --> 00:04:32,885 We're gonna jump right into site plan review. 91 00:04:34,025 --> 00:04:38,605 We have the site address, 38 Jackman Road, Jackman Road, 92 00:04:38,605 --> 00:04:42,565 right of way tax map seven lot 77. 93 00:04:42,665 --> 00:04:47,245 The owner is Joe Masano from three Ball Avenue Salem. 94 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:51,885 Surveyor is Laval and engineer is engineering alliance. 95 00:04:52,385 --> 00:04:56,285 The presenters are Eric. Is Eric here? Yes. That's okay. 96 00:04:56,285 --> 00:04:59,285 Eric and Joe. That's, yes. Okay, great. 97 00:04:59,705 --> 00:05:01,565 So they have some plans for us. We're gonna look this over. 98 00:05:01,625 --> 00:05:03,805 If you guys could distribute that, that'd be great. Is this 99 00:05:03,805 --> 00:05:05,205 On or do I have to press a button to turn it on? 100 00:05:05,205 --> 00:05:06,445 I don't see here. Where's, 101 00:05:08,475 --> 00:05:09,475 Okay. 102 00:05:09,475 --> 00:05:10,645 While you're, you know what, while you're doing that, 103 00:05:10,634 --> 00:05:12,165 we're gonna, I skipped over approval of minutes, 104 00:05:12,185 --> 00:05:13,845 so we're gonna, we're gonna take a peek at those, but, 105 00:05:14,225 --> 00:05:15,285 but go ahead and hand those. 106 00:05:15,715 --> 00:05:18,685 Owen gets, Owen gets that in the back. 107 00:05:18,955 --> 00:05:22,645 He's got a, he's got a a f up. Everyone look at the minutes. 108 00:05:22,825 --> 00:05:25,005 Any, is there a motion to approve the minutes? 109 00:05:27,145 --> 00:05:29,205 So moved. Is there a second? 110 00:05:29,865 --> 00:05:31,525 Second. Yep. 111 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:34,645 Second. Got, we were first by Mr. Met, second by Cheryl. 112 00:05:34,985 --> 00:05:36,165 All those in favor say aye. 113 00:05:36,745 --> 00:05:37,805 Aye. Aye. Opposed? 114 00:05:40,445 --> 00:05:41,725 I that your unanim So I have to sit someone 115 00:05:41,845 --> 00:05:42,885 I have to, I have to sit someone, right? 116 00:05:43,315 --> 00:05:44,315 Yeah. 117 00:05:45,985 --> 00:05:49,365 Oh, thanks. So we have to sit. Good 118 00:05:49,365 --> 00:05:50,365 Catch. 119 00:05:50,635 --> 00:05:53,125 Yeah, there we go. 120 00:05:56,695 --> 00:05:59,765 Thank you. Copy. Oh, thank you. 121 00:06:01,975 --> 00:06:05,725 Thank you. Thank you. That's right. 122 00:06:06,215 --> 00:06:07,765 Linda, will you sit for Val tonight? 123 00:06:08,305 --> 00:06:09,645 Yes, I'll be happy. Okay. Yeah, 124 00:06:14,225 --> 00:06:15,525 So everyone caught that. 125 00:06:15,645 --> 00:06:17,005 Linda's gonna sit for Val for the rest 126 00:06:17,005 --> 00:06:21,725 of the meeting. Okay. 127 00:06:22,085 --> 00:06:23,365 I think. Okay. This thing's on. Perfect. 128 00:06:24,635 --> 00:06:26,365 Yeah. Okay guys, state your name for the record 129 00:06:26,585 --> 00:06:28,165 and run us through this plan. 130 00:06:28,385 --> 00:06:30,605 You got it. Eric, Brad Nii Engineering Alliance, 131 00:06:31,065 --> 00:06:32,725 the professional engineer for the project. 132 00:06:33,345 --> 00:06:35,085 Joseph Masano, owner. 133 00:06:35,955 --> 00:06:38,005 Perfect. So as you guys mentioned, 134 00:06:38,005 --> 00:06:41,805 the property's located at 38 Jackman Road tax map seven lot 135 00:06:41,805 --> 00:06:45,205 77, the size of the lot's, a little over six acres, 136 00:06:45,265 --> 00:06:46,325 6.3 acres. 137 00:06:47,005 --> 00:06:48,445 So just to give you guys a little idea of 138 00:06:48,445 --> 00:06:50,365 what has gone on with this project so far. 139 00:06:50,385 --> 00:06:53,685 So Joe here, the owner had received a variance 140 00:06:53,685 --> 00:06:55,005 for the property to build a single family 141 00:06:55,005 --> 00:06:56,285 dwelling on this property. 142 00:06:57,065 --> 00:06:59,485 As part of that process, we were brought on 143 00:06:59,505 --> 00:07:01,365 as Jackman Road is a Class six road. 144 00:07:01,385 --> 00:07:05,005 So it's owned and maintained by the property owners 145 00:07:05,005 --> 00:07:06,325 that are along Jackman Road. 146 00:07:06,625 --> 00:07:11,445 And we were brought into bring Jackman Road up to 147 00:07:12,585 --> 00:07:16,565 the requirements for the, a classics road for the town. 148 00:07:17,105 --> 00:07:19,085 So we prepared these plans, brought them 149 00:07:19,085 --> 00:07:20,845 and submitted them to the technical review committee. 150 00:07:21,785 --> 00:07:23,565 Had a review from the technical review committee 151 00:07:23,665 --> 00:07:25,005 and then it was brought to our attention 152 00:07:25,035 --> 00:07:27,525 that the wetland on site at the top of the plan, 153 00:07:27,525 --> 00:07:30,085 you can see there as a prime wetland. 154 00:07:30,265 --> 00:07:33,845 And so there was some plan changes that were made. 155 00:07:33,845 --> 00:07:36,165 We went back for a second technical review committee meeting 156 00:07:36,945 --> 00:07:38,765 and we added a bunch of information 157 00:07:38,765 --> 00:07:41,165 that you'll see on the following plans after the cover here. 158 00:07:42,425 --> 00:07:45,645 And, and really what the, the gist of this project is, is 159 00:07:45,645 --> 00:07:47,005 that there is, at the top, 160 00:07:47,005 --> 00:07:48,525 you can see there's a prime wetland 161 00:07:48,525 --> 00:07:50,405 and then there's a secondary wetland down 162 00:07:50,425 --> 00:07:52,725 to like the bottom left side of the plan there as well. 163 00:07:52,725 --> 00:07:54,205 That runs through the middle of the property. 164 00:07:54,725 --> 00:07:56,405 If we could move to the next sheet. 165 00:07:59,265 --> 00:08:01,885 Oh, okay. I didn't realize I could do that. My apologies. 166 00:08:03,025 --> 00:08:04,805 So, just to give you guys an idea, 167 00:08:04,805 --> 00:08:06,005 these are existing conditions 168 00:08:06,005 --> 00:08:07,165 as to what's going on out there. 169 00:08:07,185 --> 00:08:09,085 So if you look true north is, you know, 170 00:08:09,285 --> 00:08:10,405 straight up and down on this plan here. 171 00:08:10,405 --> 00:08:11,525 Jackman Road is to the right, 172 00:08:11,875 --> 00:08:14,765 this is the subject property prime wetland at the top 173 00:08:15,385 --> 00:08:17,085 and secondary wetland here on the side. 174 00:08:18,495 --> 00:08:21,005 These plans are oriented a little bit differently just 175 00:08:21,005 --> 00:08:23,125 to show the Jackman Jackman Road comes 176 00:08:23,125 --> 00:08:24,365 along the side of the plan here. 177 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:26,285 But, so here's Jackman Road 178 00:08:26,785 --> 00:08:29,325 and then this is Joe's property that he owns here. 179 00:08:29,325 --> 00:08:31,805 So that wetland at the top of the previous sheet is here. 180 00:08:32,185 --> 00:08:33,245 And then the secondary one, 181 00:08:33,245 --> 00:08:34,605 well you'll see on the next sheet is, 182 00:08:34,605 --> 00:08:35,605 is is off the sheet here. 183 00:08:36,025 --> 00:08:39,165 But, so we have this wetland here, 150 foot setback 184 00:08:39,165 --> 00:08:42,645 to the primary wetland and then the 70 foot, 75 foot no cut 185 00:08:44,785 --> 00:08:46,405 buffer zone is here as well. 186 00:08:47,075 --> 00:08:51,325 Jackman Road is currently, I guess you could say like eight 187 00:08:51,325 --> 00:08:54,165 or so feet wide gravel road that comes all the way down 188 00:08:54,995 --> 00:08:57,405 past the Rockingham recreational trail. 189 00:08:57,745 --> 00:09:00,245 And then moves a little bit further past along the frontage 190 00:09:00,265 --> 00:09:01,565 of Joe's property. 191 00:09:03,235 --> 00:09:05,125 This is just a view of the full property, 192 00:09:05,175 --> 00:09:06,245 again, Jackman Road here. 193 00:09:06,245 --> 00:09:07,325 Now this is oriented similar 194 00:09:07,325 --> 00:09:08,965 to the first plant Jackman Road on this side. 195 00:09:08,965 --> 00:09:11,125 This gives a view of the entire property here 196 00:09:11,125 --> 00:09:14,205 with our prime wetland and our secondary wetland. 197 00:09:14,205 --> 00:09:16,765 On the side here, the grading of the site, 198 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:18,445 there's a high point here up along the trail 199 00:09:18,465 --> 00:09:20,285 and then everything sort of pitches down 200 00:09:20,285 --> 00:09:23,805 to the prime wetland and then out back this way as well to 201 00:09:23,805 --> 00:09:24,845 that secondary wetland. 202 00:09:25,665 --> 00:09:29,485 So what's proposed is a single family dwelling 203 00:09:30,655 --> 00:09:32,485 there also, you guys will see on these plans, 204 00:09:32,485 --> 00:09:34,485 there is a secondary building proposing these plans. 205 00:09:34,485 --> 00:09:38,165 That's a future a DU that is not gonna be built right this, 206 00:09:38,225 --> 00:09:39,885 you know, at this time under the same 207 00:09:39,885 --> 00:09:40,965 permit as this building. 208 00:09:40,985 --> 00:09:43,725 But we showed it on here to show the site impacts that 209 00:09:44,415 --> 00:09:46,325 would come with that A DU further down the road. 210 00:09:47,005 --> 00:09:48,965 So again, Jackman Road here 211 00:09:48,965 --> 00:09:50,805 with our improvements to Jackman Road. 212 00:09:52,315 --> 00:09:55,405 This will be a 20 foot wide gravel road that'll be designed 213 00:09:55,405 --> 00:09:57,325 to meet the, the town engineered standards 214 00:09:57,325 --> 00:09:58,365 for a class six road. 215 00:09:59,095 --> 00:10:00,925 It'll be two feet of gravel so you know, 216 00:10:00,925 --> 00:10:02,765 water can directly infiltrate in there. 217 00:10:02,785 --> 00:10:05,285 So it's not gonna create any additional storm water issues 218 00:10:05,385 --> 00:10:06,845 for Jackman Road coming down here. 219 00:10:07,985 --> 00:10:09,765 But you'll see we crossed the re, oops, sorry, 220 00:10:09,765 --> 00:10:11,485 we crossed the recreational trail here. 221 00:10:11,945 --> 00:10:13,045 And the only spot 222 00:10:13,045 --> 00:10:15,205 that we can access the property is 223 00:10:15,205 --> 00:10:16,365 right along this frontage here. 224 00:10:16,365 --> 00:10:17,725 This is all owned by the state, 225 00:10:17,785 --> 00:10:19,365 the Rockingham recreational Trail. 226 00:10:19,385 --> 00:10:20,685 And then this is Jackman Road. 227 00:10:21,585 --> 00:10:23,925 So the gravel road will come across here. 228 00:10:24,305 --> 00:10:26,885 The fire department requested we place a hammerhead 229 00:10:26,885 --> 00:10:29,005 turnaround here to allow for a fire engine 230 00:10:29,005 --> 00:10:30,525 to pull in back up and pull out. 231 00:10:31,165 --> 00:10:33,285 That's what this little area is down here. 232 00:10:34,005 --> 00:10:36,045 Then we have the driveway access up to the, 233 00:10:36,145 --> 00:10:37,605 to the single family dwelling. 234 00:10:37,775 --> 00:10:41,085 Again, another turnaround is required based on the zoning 235 00:10:41,115 --> 00:10:43,285 code for a fire apparatus here. 236 00:10:43,285 --> 00:10:44,365 So we've got another one there. 237 00:10:48,415 --> 00:10:50,285 Again, just kind of reorienting here 238 00:10:50,285 --> 00:10:52,045 so you can see the full extent of the site. 239 00:10:52,665 --> 00:10:56,165 So the driveway turns in, single family is here. 240 00:10:56,225 --> 00:10:59,325 As you guys will notice the driveway access, 241 00:10:59,705 --> 00:11:01,525 the only place we can really provide it, pulling 242 00:11:01,525 --> 00:11:03,045 as far away from that prime wetland 243 00:11:03,045 --> 00:11:05,085 as we can is within the 75 244 00:11:05,085 --> 00:11:07,045 to 100 foot buffer to the prime wetland. 245 00:11:08,505 --> 00:11:11,285 You can see this dash line here is that 150 foot mark. 246 00:11:11,945 --> 00:11:14,045 And so the entirety of the property front 247 00:11:14,045 --> 00:11:17,325 of John Jackman Road is within 150 feet of that wetland. 248 00:11:17,945 --> 00:11:20,885 That's why we have a proposed here during the TRC meeting. 249 00:11:21,465 --> 00:11:24,765 You know, we were informed that we'll have to request a, 250 00:11:26,205 --> 00:11:27,805 a special permit from the zoning board 251 00:11:27,865 --> 00:11:31,365 to construct the driveway there within 75 to 150 feet. 252 00:11:33,145 --> 00:11:35,365 And we will be doing so after this meeting. 253 00:11:35,465 --> 00:11:37,685 We were, we'll be applying to get on the planning 254 00:11:37,685 --> 00:11:39,285 and zoning meetings in September. 255 00:11:41,105 --> 00:11:42,845 So again, driveway access, 256 00:11:42,845 --> 00:11:45,205 single family dwelling turnaround, here's 257 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:48,965 that secondary A DU future proposed A DU that we mentioned, 258 00:11:49,815 --> 00:11:51,365 again will not be constructed at the 259 00:11:51,365 --> 00:11:52,445 same time as this dwelling. 260 00:11:52,445 --> 00:11:53,565 We we'd, you know, file 261 00:11:53,565 --> 00:11:55,045 for a separate building permit for that. 262 00:11:55,505 --> 00:11:58,245 But this just to show again, site impacts, you know, 263 00:11:58,245 --> 00:12:01,325 we show erosion control barrier around the limit of work. 264 00:12:02,025 --> 00:12:04,565 And again, we're trying to stay as far away from 265 00:12:04,565 --> 00:12:05,605 that wetland as we can. 266 00:12:07,545 --> 00:12:10,005 You know, building is set up on the high spot up away from 267 00:12:10,005 --> 00:12:13,085 the wetland and we're outside, you know, buildings are 268 00:12:13,085 --> 00:12:14,965 outside the 150 foot buffer here. 269 00:12:17,125 --> 00:12:20,205 These are just roadway profiles if you guys 270 00:12:20,205 --> 00:12:21,365 care for the details of that. 271 00:12:21,375 --> 00:12:25,965 We're trying to maintain a very similar grading scheme as 272 00:12:25,965 --> 00:12:27,205 to what's out in Jackman Road. 273 00:12:27,265 --> 00:12:29,405 Now. We really don't want to change much of 274 00:12:29,405 --> 00:12:30,405 that grade out there. 275 00:12:30,405 --> 00:12:31,805 Keep it right about where it's at. 276 00:12:32,465 --> 00:12:34,565 The only spot where it will change is a little bit right 277 00:12:34,565 --> 00:12:37,765 here where that turnaround I told you is there's like a drop 278 00:12:37,765 --> 00:12:39,205 off that drops six or seven feet. 279 00:12:39,205 --> 00:12:40,485 We're gonna pull that up and then 280 00:12:40,485 --> 00:12:43,125 after the fire engine turnaround, just grade it back down 281 00:12:43,345 --> 00:12:44,925 to meet the existing grade in Jackman Road. 282 00:12:46,995 --> 00:12:49,045 This plan is just a driveway profile. 283 00:12:49,095 --> 00:12:51,325 Again, similar thing, we want to try to keep these grids 284 00:12:51,325 --> 00:12:52,325 as similar as we can. 285 00:12:53,185 --> 00:12:55,765 So the, the driveway grade will be almost 286 00:12:55,765 --> 00:12:57,005 identical to what's out there. 287 00:12:57,005 --> 00:12:59,205 There's very like a very minimal fill area. 288 00:13:00,005 --> 00:13:01,205 Basically most of it. 289 00:13:01,205 --> 00:13:04,005 Where it comes in is where that connection to the turnaround 290 00:13:04,005 --> 00:13:05,285 for the fire apparatus is. 291 00:13:06,345 --> 00:13:08,245 And then the last plan in the set is 292 00:13:08,245 --> 00:13:09,365 just some construction details. 293 00:13:09,385 --> 00:13:11,445 It gives you a roadway cross section of 294 00:13:11,445 --> 00:13:14,365 what the 20 foot roadway will look like, a cross section 295 00:13:14,385 --> 00:13:16,165 of the driveway, what that's gonna look like, 296 00:13:16,185 --> 00:13:18,285 and then our erosion control detail. 297 00:13:20,145 --> 00:13:21,405 So again, we're, we're here 298 00:13:21,405 --> 00:13:23,685 before you guys tonight mainly for the impacts 299 00:13:23,685 --> 00:13:26,685 that this is gonna have in the area relative to 300 00:13:26,685 --> 00:13:31,645 that prime wetland because we do have some work as inside 301 00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:34,725 that 150 foot buffer of that prime wetland. 302 00:13:35,585 --> 00:13:38,365 So we'd just like to get you guys' feedback on, on, on that 303 00:13:38,505 --> 00:13:40,685 and what we may need from you in order to proceed. 304 00:13:41,015 --> 00:13:42,015 Thank you. 305 00:13:44,675 --> 00:13:47,405 What, what's the transition on the, on the rec trail? 306 00:13:47,425 --> 00:13:48,685 How are you gonna handle that? I'm curious. 307 00:13:48,935 --> 00:13:50,285 Sorry, what was that? What's the 308 00:13:50,285 --> 00:13:51,445 transition on the rec trail? 309 00:13:51,465 --> 00:13:53,565 How does the, how do you, how do you transition 310 00:13:53,715 --> 00:13:56,245 from the class? 311 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:58,845 Is that, that's a class six road, right? That's correct. 312 00:13:58,985 --> 00:14:02,485 So how do you transition a class six road 313 00:14:02,485 --> 00:14:04,965 through the rec trail and then so you, 314 00:14:04,985 --> 00:14:06,685 you doing improvements to the rec trail too? 315 00:14:07,265 --> 00:14:09,325 We are, the only improvement that we have 316 00:14:09,325 --> 00:14:11,685 for the wreck trail trail that's been coordinated with 317 00:14:12,725 --> 00:14:15,925 DES is that they requested that we put, and let me go back 318 00:14:15,925 --> 00:14:17,085 and like they're labeled on the plan here. 319 00:14:17,435 --> 00:14:19,685 They requested that we put two 320 00:14:20,935 --> 00:14:23,165 gates one on either side of the wreck trail. 321 00:14:23,585 --> 00:14:27,605 So right now, you know, there's not much vehicle travel 322 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:29,085 that goes on across the rec trail. 323 00:14:29,085 --> 00:14:30,205 It's really just, you know, anything 324 00:14:30,205 --> 00:14:32,045 that's coming across the rec trail in this direction. 325 00:14:32,465 --> 00:14:36,245 So they requested that Joe have custom built gates 326 00:14:36,245 --> 00:14:37,885 to a specific spec that they gave us 327 00:14:38,235 --> 00:14:40,445 that he is in the process of having built 328 00:14:40,445 --> 00:14:42,245 and they want them placed on either side. 329 00:14:42,585 --> 00:14:47,085 So it'll become, these gates will have locks on them 330 00:14:47,085 --> 00:14:50,165 and knock boxes on them that allows, you know, police 331 00:14:50,165 --> 00:14:51,840 and fire to get through through if necessary. 332 00:14:52,025 --> 00:14:54,125 But the idea here is that this will now, 333 00:14:54,415 --> 00:14:56,685 those gates will limit or, 334 00:14:56,705 --> 00:15:00,805 or will be like a sign for anybody using the wreck trail 335 00:15:00,805 --> 00:15:02,605 that there is gonna be vehicular traffic 336 00:15:02,625 --> 00:15:03,845 on this road now. But, 337 00:15:04,105 --> 00:15:05,485 But how, how will hikers 338 00:15:05,485 --> 00:15:08,605 and bikers be able to navigate that if there's gates walk? 339 00:15:09,835 --> 00:15:12,045 Like they should be allowed to use the trail 340 00:15:12,065 --> 00:15:14,005 and how are they gonna use it if there's gates? 341 00:15:14,115 --> 00:15:16,405 Well they put it's, you're gonna do the 54 inch, 342 00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:17,885 54 inch opening. Correct. That is 343 00:15:17,995 --> 00:15:19,805 Like any other, any other road. 344 00:15:19,805 --> 00:15:22,525 They're required to do a 54 inch opening for, for the, 345 00:15:22,705 --> 00:15:23,725 for the ATVs to get 346 00:15:23,785 --> 00:15:25,125 So able to get through safely. 347 00:15:26,145 --> 00:15:27,605 Are you working with Mike Weeks? 348 00:15:28,165 --> 00:15:29,285 I am. Okay. Yes. 349 00:15:29,285 --> 00:15:32,525 Yeah, Mike Weeks are approved it already and he came out 350 00:15:32,525 --> 00:15:35,365 and staked it and the gates just got finished being built. 351 00:15:35,865 --> 00:15:39,325 So Mike works for, I work for the state 352 00:15:39,945 --> 00:15:41,165 for forest and lands. 353 00:15:41,165 --> 00:15:43,885 Mike works for parks under the Trails bureau. 354 00:15:44,145 --> 00:15:47,045 So it's actually not DES, it's DNCR. 355 00:15:47,075 --> 00:15:50,645 Apologize, I just wanted to to make it clear 356 00:15:50,645 --> 00:15:51,965 because some people will be like, 357 00:15:51,965 --> 00:15:53,445 what's DES got to do with it? 358 00:15:53,445 --> 00:15:56,045 Right. But and those gates Yeah. 359 00:15:56,145 --> 00:15:59,485 If he's following our standard plan, yeah, it does have a, 360 00:15:59,765 --> 00:16:01,845 a man pass the 361 00:16:01,845 --> 00:16:03,925 Side able is still hike through and bike through. 362 00:16:04,035 --> 00:16:07,805 Okay. During the winter the gate is put in a locked open 363 00:16:08,165 --> 00:16:11,085 position for the snowmobiles to go through and stuff. 364 00:16:11,235 --> 00:16:15,405 Good. Okay. The main, the main reason we ask for the gates, 365 00:16:15,705 --> 00:16:17,165 Mike's probably explained it to you, 366 00:16:17,265 --> 00:16:20,165 is people find openings on that trail of course. 367 00:16:20,165 --> 00:16:22,365 And they will be driving pickups and Jeeps 368 00:16:22,425 --> 00:16:24,325 and everything else down there. So Yeah, of course 369 00:16:24,325 --> 00:16:26,005 That you don't want there, there was built 370 00:16:26,225 --> 00:16:27,725 to spec of what Mike sent me. 371 00:16:28,035 --> 00:16:32,645 Yeah. And then your other discussion about the road being 372 00:16:32,735 --> 00:16:34,405 accessible for the fire department. 373 00:16:34,405 --> 00:16:37,645 The fire department always has the ability to use the trail. 374 00:16:38,435 --> 00:16:40,765 They, they've got keys they can come down in 375 00:16:40,765 --> 00:16:42,165 emergency down that trail. 376 00:16:42,465 --> 00:16:45,725 So that's another thing to consider. 377 00:16:46,985 --> 00:16:48,605 So getting back to the question that I had 378 00:16:48,845 --> 00:16:51,325 regarding the transition, so, so you're gonna, you have a, 379 00:16:51,325 --> 00:16:54,325 you have a class six road, two feet of, 380 00:16:54,345 --> 00:16:55,685 of Crestone or gravel. 381 00:16:56,795 --> 00:16:59,285 When it, when it goes across the rec trail, does it, 382 00:16:59,285 --> 00:17:02,045 does it maintain that cross section 383 00:17:02,225 --> 00:17:03,685 or do how, how, how do you get, 384 00:17:04,385 --> 00:17:06,885 how do you get your new roadway across the rec trail 385 00:17:07,065 --> 00:17:08,525 and then have it start as a new roadway? 386 00:17:08,705 --> 00:17:11,085 So you're redoing the rec trail at that portion also? 387 00:17:11,345 --> 00:17:12,645 That's an excellent question. 388 00:17:12,705 --> 00:17:14,725 My understanding is there's just gonna be a 389 00:17:14,725 --> 00:17:15,765 little bit of regrading out there. 390 00:17:15,765 --> 00:17:17,365 It's not gonna be the, the two feet 391 00:17:17,365 --> 00:17:18,805 of crush stone through the rec trail. 392 00:17:20,165 --> 00:17:23,005 'cause Joe's gonna be responsible for maintaining the, 393 00:17:23,595 --> 00:17:25,165 like this entire section of that. 394 00:17:25,265 --> 00:17:27,285 But the rec trail section is still under the 395 00:17:27,315 --> 00:17:29,405 state's, state's ownership. 396 00:17:29,665 --> 00:17:31,125 So it'll be your spec on each. 397 00:17:31,125 --> 00:17:33,005 And then the, the rec trail is usually like stone dust? 398 00:17:33,005 --> 00:17:34,965 Correct. That's, that's gonna stay like stone dust. Got it. 399 00:17:37,065 --> 00:17:38,965 So those, that road is gonna have 400 00:17:38,965 --> 00:17:39,965 to be plowed in the winter. 401 00:17:40,465 --> 00:17:43,765 So that area where the intersection is with the rail trail 402 00:17:44,575 --> 00:17:46,605 won't be interfered with when 403 00:17:46,675 --> 00:17:50,365 with plow the grading will be compact enough. 404 00:17:51,765 --> 00:17:53,165 Y Yes, that's correct. So if you look, 405 00:17:53,245 --> 00:17:56,805 I can show you guys on the grading plan, the wreck trail. 406 00:17:56,985 --> 00:17:59,005 See this little, these two little dash lines here. 407 00:17:59,185 --> 00:18:00,965 We, we did this very purposely. 408 00:18:00,965 --> 00:18:02,125 We tried to keep the grade the same, 409 00:18:02,125 --> 00:18:06,605 but the actual recreational trail is staying the exact same 410 00:18:06,605 --> 00:18:07,605 grade that it is now. 411 00:18:08,225 --> 00:18:10,925 So any change in grade, the little dashed line you can see 412 00:18:10,925 --> 00:18:12,525 underneath is the grade that's there. 413 00:18:12,585 --> 00:18:15,165 Now the thick line on top is the proposed grade. 414 00:18:15,185 --> 00:18:17,525 So we're almost identical in grade. 415 00:18:17,525 --> 00:18:19,685 And then when we get to the, the recreational trail, 416 00:18:19,715 --> 00:18:21,245 it's spot on right on top of where it was. 417 00:18:22,825 --> 00:18:24,645 Did you, did you, have you guys done your, 418 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:26,285 your park testing for septic 419 00:18:27,695 --> 00:18:28,695 There? 420 00:18:28,695 --> 00:18:31,485 Yes. There was per test done for septic and, 421 00:18:31,485 --> 00:18:32,645 and yes, it, it's all set. 422 00:18:32,705 --> 00:18:34,405 The only, so I, let me rephrase that. 423 00:18:35,015 --> 00:18:36,485 There was an approved septic plan 424 00:18:36,485 --> 00:18:37,525 that was done for this site. 425 00:18:38,145 --> 00:18:39,445 The septic location was 426 00:18:39,685 --> 00:18:40,925 previously, can you guys see the s up here? 427 00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:42,085 That 150 foot buffer? 428 00:18:42,235 --> 00:18:43,685 Yeah, the previous septic like, 429 00:18:45,515 --> 00:18:47,765 like straddled the line on the 150 foot. 430 00:18:48,025 --> 00:18:49,565 So the test pit that's actually shown on 431 00:18:49,565 --> 00:18:50,645 here is in the correct location. 432 00:18:50,665 --> 00:18:53,405 We just rotated this. So there was an approved plan with, 433 00:18:53,905 --> 00:18:55,085 for the septic, we just have 434 00:18:55,085 --> 00:18:56,605 to get it updated to show the new location. 435 00:18:56,985 --> 00:18:58,045 So when was that? When was the, 436 00:18:58,065 --> 00:18:59,125 so you haven't done a new one yet 437 00:18:59,125 --> 00:19:00,405 that you're still working off the old one? 438 00:19:01,065 --> 00:19:03,205 Yes, that's correct. But it's the same test bit. 439 00:19:03,705 --> 00:19:06,525 So the information we, we didn't do it, the surveyor did, 440 00:19:06,525 --> 00:19:07,565 but I can get you guys a copy of 441 00:19:07,565 --> 00:19:08,845 that if you need to see it. Got it. 442 00:19:09,545 --> 00:19:14,445 And I'm, I'm assuming that the septic area has, 443 00:19:14,505 --> 00:19:16,645 has the other two bedrooms, the proposed two bedrooms? 444 00:19:16,835 --> 00:19:17,925 That is correct, yes. It's 445 00:19:17,925 --> 00:19:19,005 for six bedrooms, not just the four. 446 00:19:19,275 --> 00:19:20,275 Okay. 447 00:19:20,625 --> 00:19:22,565 And the pit, the pit tested for six? 448 00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:26,165 Yes, that is correct. Will there be a septic as well 449 00:19:26,185 --> 00:19:27,445 for the A DU in that? 450 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:29,285 Yeah, it's gonna share the A DU is 451 00:19:29,285 --> 00:19:30,605 Gonna share that it's gonna share the same septic. 452 00:19:30,705 --> 00:19:35,685 Yep. And the shortest distance from the required 150 feet is 453 00:19:35,685 --> 00:19:37,605 75 to the PRI wetland. 454 00:19:37,605 --> 00:19:40,165 Yeah. At the end of the driveway, 75 feet did you say, 455 00:19:40,585 --> 00:19:42,125 So the shortest distance to 456 00:19:42,125 --> 00:19:44,165 where the driveway comes in, is that what you said? Y 457 00:19:44,595 --> 00:19:46,165 Yeah, the, the shortest in the, 458 00:19:46,185 --> 00:19:48,125 in the buffer zone to the prime wetland, 459 00:19:48,585 --> 00:19:49,585 Yes. 460 00:19:49,585 --> 00:19:50,885 So for the access driveway, so this, 461 00:19:50,885 --> 00:19:52,885 this is actually something that we wanted to, 462 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:54,445 to ask you guys and, and, 463 00:19:54,465 --> 00:19:57,485 and we needed to discuss with some of the town officials. 464 00:19:57,745 --> 00:20:00,725 So what we had done this plan originally 465 00:20:01,305 --> 00:20:03,405 we had shown we did not have this turnaround 466 00:20:03,425 --> 00:20:04,725 for the fire department at the end. 467 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:08,205 And so everything was outside of the 75 feet. 468 00:20:08,825 --> 00:20:11,285 So if you look, the 75 foot buffer is this little dash 469 00:20:11,385 --> 00:20:12,525 is this dash line here. 470 00:20:12,665 --> 00:20:14,165 And you can see our proposed driveway 471 00:20:14,165 --> 00:20:16,965 and all that work is between 75 to 150. 472 00:20:17,685 --> 00:20:20,685 When we added in the required turnaround, that was requested 473 00:20:20,705 --> 00:20:21,805 by the fire department. 474 00:20:21,955 --> 00:20:23,765 There's this little small section here 475 00:20:23,765 --> 00:20:25,285 that's within 75 feet. 476 00:20:26,025 --> 00:20:27,285 You can see there's some grading 477 00:20:27,285 --> 00:20:28,285 and it's just the gravel, 478 00:20:28,635 --> 00:20:30,445 it's the gravel turnaround for the fire department. 479 00:20:30,805 --> 00:20:31,885 I don't have the exact dimension, 480 00:20:31,885 --> 00:20:36,645 but if we pulled this, it's, it's about 45 feet where that, 481 00:20:36,675 --> 00:20:38,365 that section of the grading would come 482 00:20:38,365 --> 00:20:39,485 down after the turnaround. 483 00:20:39,825 --> 00:20:43,525 Now is that something that, again, this is more 484 00:20:43,525 --> 00:20:45,245 of a question to the, to the commission, is that something 485 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:47,685 that is allowable or is that something again, 486 00:20:47,685 --> 00:20:48,725 because it was requested 487 00:20:48,725 --> 00:20:50,205 by the fire department for us to do that. 488 00:20:50,265 --> 00:20:53,365 Is that something that's gonna be a a a problem with with 489 00:20:53,365 --> 00:20:57,365 with the construction of the roadway there or because 490 00:20:57,365 --> 00:21:00,205 because again, it's, it's the, all the work that's on site 491 00:21:00,205 --> 00:21:03,285 for the single family is all, you know, outside 492 00:21:03,285 --> 00:21:04,405 of that 75 feet. 493 00:21:04,405 --> 00:21:06,565 But that one little section there is within it. 494 00:21:10,785 --> 00:21:12,765 Any of the other commissioners have questions. Rick, 495 00:21:13,025 --> 00:21:15,805 Is there a reason you can't pull that turnaround back 496 00:21:16,515 --> 00:21:18,565 towards the road origin? Towards the trail? 497 00:21:19,105 --> 00:21:21,485 So I, I don't have it in this set of plans, 498 00:21:21,545 --> 00:21:22,765 but the, the fire, 499 00:21:23,025 --> 00:21:25,885 the fire department sent me the parameters 500 00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:27,765 for the fire engine that needs to be able to make this turn. 501 00:21:28,305 --> 00:21:29,925 And if you guys look, so it comes in 502 00:21:29,925 --> 00:21:32,245 and this, this little radius here is how it needs 503 00:21:32,245 --> 00:21:34,965 to turn up in this direction here, in order for this thing 504 00:21:34,965 --> 00:21:36,685 to back up and swing out, it has 505 00:21:36,685 --> 00:21:38,165 to come out to this, this area here. 506 00:21:38,185 --> 00:21:41,165 If I tried to move this driveway at all, he'd basically, 507 00:21:41,225 --> 00:21:43,605 now all of his access would be coming from 508 00:21:44,265 --> 00:21:46,925 the Rockingham rec trail property rather than the right 509 00:21:46,925 --> 00:21:48,285 of way in Jackman Road. 510 00:21:49,585 --> 00:21:53,765 So it's, we're kind of tight on this spot here. 511 00:21:53,765 --> 00:21:56,005 Like I don't think we'd be able to pull that any further in 512 00:21:57,225 --> 00:21:59,325 So the end, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to pull 513 00:21:59,325 --> 00:22:02,765 that end in to match, to come closer to the edge of the, 514 00:22:02,905 --> 00:22:04,485 the proposed driveway. 515 00:22:05,275 --> 00:22:07,565 Unfortunately what I'm saying, not not for not 516 00:22:07,565 --> 00:22:08,765 for the apparatus to make the maneuver. 517 00:22:08,765 --> 00:22:13,405 It needs to make. And I, again, I can also provide you guys 518 00:22:13,405 --> 00:22:15,005 with a plan that shows that it was a request 519 00:22:15,005 --> 00:22:16,605 from the TRC for that as well. 520 00:22:16,785 --> 00:22:19,365 But I can, we have a a a, a turning plan 521 00:22:19,365 --> 00:22:21,165 that shows the movement that needs to make. 522 00:22:22,145 --> 00:22:24,325 And, and that may, may clarify some of this. 523 00:22:27,165 --> 00:22:29,165 I would just be curious with within the commission 524 00:22:29,165 --> 00:22:30,845 of the proposed, I mean 525 00:22:30,845 --> 00:22:34,285 of the potential impact within 45 feet of prime wetland, 526 00:22:34,825 --> 00:22:36,805 if there's anything, any concern about that. 527 00:22:36,805 --> 00:22:38,485 That just seems very close to me. 528 00:22:38,765 --> 00:22:40,125 I think Prime Wetland, does 529 00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:41,685 That trigger a DES permit? 530 00:22:41,785 --> 00:22:43,645 Do you have to, you have to get a permit from DES 531 00:22:43,645 --> 00:22:45,245 to, 'cause you're inside the prime. 532 00:22:46,005 --> 00:22:47,565 I think We 533 00:22:47,565 --> 00:22:48,565 May did mention that. 534 00:22:48,595 --> 00:22:49,845 Yeah. Yeah. So, 535 00:22:50,705 --> 00:22:53,885 And then we, so from the commission's perspective, I'm, 536 00:22:53,945 --> 00:22:55,445 I'm fairly confident that's the case. 537 00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:03,165 We also have the ability to comment on that permit. 538 00:23:03,385 --> 00:23:05,885 So, so we're, we're gonna get our first look here. 539 00:23:08,005 --> 00:23:09,245 I I'm thinking we're gonna see this. 540 00:23:09,245 --> 00:23:11,365 I think we should do a site visit Mr. Chair. Yeah, I do too. 541 00:23:11,365 --> 00:23:14,965 Eileen, I I I'm just wondering if we should wait till, 542 00:23:15,315 --> 00:23:18,005 wait till they have to go to zba. 543 00:23:18,385 --> 00:23:22,245 No, well they have to still go to zba Right. And planning. 544 00:23:22,675 --> 00:23:26,125 Okay. They're both gonna have some suggestions. 545 00:23:26,985 --> 00:23:31,285 I'm, I'm thinking this plan is gonna change somewhat. 546 00:23:31,585 --> 00:23:32,925 I'm not so sure if it's gonna change a lot, 547 00:23:32,925 --> 00:23:35,245 but I I'm, I'm gonna, I have a gut feeling 548 00:23:35,245 --> 00:23:36,645 that it's gonna change somewhat 549 00:23:36,735 --> 00:23:38,525 after those two boards look at it. 550 00:23:39,525 --> 00:23:41,725 And I think they're probably gonna come back before us. 551 00:23:41,985 --> 00:23:45,445 We should probably look at that set of plans 552 00:23:45,745 --> 00:23:47,845 and then do the site walk based on that set 553 00:23:47,845 --> 00:23:49,845 of plans rather than this set of plans. 554 00:23:50,125 --> 00:23:51,845 'cause I think this set of plans is gonna change 555 00:23:52,185 --> 00:23:54,965 and could change could change, you know, 556 00:23:54,965 --> 00:23:58,485 fairly significantly after three other. So for the better 557 00:23:58,585 --> 00:24:02,005 Or for more impacts, I just think it's gonna change. 558 00:24:02,835 --> 00:24:04,965 Yeah, I think the lines on the plan are gonna change. 559 00:24:06,385 --> 00:24:08,285 So I wanna be looking at the lines on the plan 560 00:24:08,285 --> 00:24:10,485 that are gonna be the permanent lines on the plan as opposed 561 00:24:10,545 --> 00:24:13,045 to the, the initial lines on the plan. 562 00:24:13,305 --> 00:24:17,165 That's me as a member and a suggestion. 563 00:24:18,075 --> 00:24:19,925 That being said, so I I think you are gonna go 564 00:24:19,925 --> 00:24:23,165 to DES and anything else? 565 00:24:23,315 --> 00:24:24,315 Yeah, go ahead Bob. 566 00:24:25,585 --> 00:24:27,925 Midway down the section you're restoring, 567 00:24:28,355 --> 00:24:31,565 there's a 12 inch pipe going under 568 00:24:33,025 --> 00:24:34,885 the contours that are on the road. 569 00:24:35,335 --> 00:24:36,645 Don't give us any indication, 570 00:24:37,875 --> 00:24:39,845 obviously the pipe is either carrying 571 00:24:39,855 --> 00:24:41,325 water one side or the other. 572 00:24:41,385 --> 00:24:43,405 What's happening to that water afterwards? 573 00:24:44,385 --> 00:24:46,845 My guess would be it runs down the side of the road 574 00:24:47,025 --> 00:24:50,445 or is it gonna disperse out into one property or the other? 575 00:24:50,825 --> 00:24:51,925 That's an excellent question. 576 00:24:52,065 --> 00:24:55,285 So I will pull up and show what we are talking about here. 577 00:24:55,465 --> 00:24:58,165 So right here at this section of the road, 578 00:24:58,465 --> 00:25:00,645 so we are actually currently in the process 579 00:25:00,705 --> 00:25:02,045 of having the surveyor go out 580 00:25:02,045 --> 00:25:04,285 and get a couple additional spot shots along both sides 581 00:25:04,285 --> 00:25:06,045 of the stone wall that's out there right 582 00:25:06,045 --> 00:25:07,085 now where this is shown. 583 00:25:07,345 --> 00:25:08,445 If you guys walk out there, 584 00:25:08,665 --> 00:25:11,645 you can see there's like a ditch on, sorry, on this side. 585 00:25:11,645 --> 00:25:12,765 When you stand out there, there's a little 586 00:25:12,765 --> 00:25:14,005 ditch on the side of the wall. 587 00:25:14,195 --> 00:25:17,045 Okay. Basically we would put, you know, 588 00:25:17,045 --> 00:25:18,805 the opening would be here with, 589 00:25:20,385 --> 00:25:22,325 we haven't determined if it's gonna be a head wall or a, 590 00:25:22,325 --> 00:25:23,965 or a, or a level spreader on this side, 591 00:25:23,965 --> 00:25:25,085 but this would be coming in 592 00:25:25,085 --> 00:25:26,525 through this way and out this way. 593 00:25:27,385 --> 00:25:28,405 And again, same thing, level 594 00:25:28,405 --> 00:25:29,645 spreader or a head wall on this side. 595 00:25:29,645 --> 00:25:31,525 It just depends on what those, these elevations are. 596 00:25:31,525 --> 00:25:32,525 We call that out to match. 597 00:25:32,525 --> 00:25:34,605 But again, the surveyor is currently in the process 598 00:25:34,625 --> 00:25:36,165 of working to get back out there. 599 00:25:36,545 --> 00:25:39,925 The idea here is just to make sure that 600 00:25:41,195 --> 00:25:42,845 that area on this side of the wall where 601 00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:44,285 that little ditches is not 602 00:25:44,795 --> 00:25:46,685 ponding on the neighbor's property here, 603 00:25:46,795 --> 00:25:48,205 outside on Jackman Road. 604 00:25:48,345 --> 00:25:51,765 So this size of this pipe may change as well. Where, 605 00:25:51,765 --> 00:25:53,245 Where, is there something there right now? 606 00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:54,725 Is there some sort of pipe there 607 00:25:54,725 --> 00:25:55,725 Now? 608 00:25:55,725 --> 00:25:56,045 There is not. Okay. 609 00:25:57,025 --> 00:25:58,285 But again, it, we we, 610 00:25:58,285 --> 00:26:00,885 this was a request from the engineering department to 611 00:26:01,665 --> 00:26:03,125 assess the area and, 612 00:26:03,305 --> 00:26:06,965 and mark anywhere that a culvert may be needed. So we 613 00:26:07,025 --> 00:26:08,025 How long is that pipe? 614 00:26:08,345 --> 00:26:10,445 How long is it? Yeah, it's about 30 feet. 615 00:26:11,765 --> 00:26:13,215 Okay, sorry, sorry to interrupt. 616 00:26:13,315 --> 00:26:14,615 We don't like 12 inch pipes 617 00:26:14,985 --> 00:26:15,985 We're it's gonna be larger. 618 00:26:16,755 --> 00:26:19,735 It was requested that it's at least 15 inches from, 619 00:26:19,885 --> 00:26:21,615 from the engineering department. 620 00:26:22,525 --> 00:26:26,575 Once we have the survey on what these elevations are. 621 00:26:26,915 --> 00:26:29,375 So to answer this, it'll be at least 15 inches. 622 00:26:29,395 --> 00:26:30,895 It not larger. Yeah. 623 00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:36,255 So I guess from, from my experience on the trail and, 624 00:26:36,395 --> 00:26:37,495 and being down in there, 625 00:26:39,795 --> 00:26:42,655 the concern would be any water coming down the road, 626 00:26:43,175 --> 00:26:45,445 which it already has been, you've been out there, 627 00:26:45,505 --> 00:26:47,725 so you've seen it runs out onto the trail 628 00:26:48,025 --> 00:26:50,645 and across into your property would be 629 00:26:52,965 --> 00:26:55,825 the ditch line, which I don't really remember any kind 630 00:26:55,825 --> 00:26:58,745 of a ditch line on that side to catch the water 631 00:26:58,745 --> 00:27:00,065 and go in either direction. 632 00:27:00,325 --> 00:27:05,065 But it's just a consideration I guess 633 00:27:05,205 --> 00:27:09,545 is to be, be aware that it will wash coming down there. 634 00:27:10,615 --> 00:27:12,025 Even your plan shows it 635 00:27:12,025 --> 00:27:13,825 as a pretty steady slope down through there. 636 00:27:16,095 --> 00:27:19,225 Yeah, they'll, so, so this, this pitch is, so again, 637 00:27:19,285 --> 00:27:21,185 and when we have the additional survey information, 638 00:27:21,185 --> 00:27:23,505 this will show, but you know, this, this grade down here, 639 00:27:23,505 --> 00:27:26,425 everything kind of pitches, like you said, 640 00:27:26,425 --> 00:27:27,945 down in this direction and then sort 641 00:27:27,945 --> 00:27:29,465 of down in away in this direction. 642 00:27:29,725 --> 00:27:31,705 So the idea here would be anything just 643 00:27:31,705 --> 00:27:33,545 to prevent any ponding from here to come across. 644 00:27:33,845 --> 00:27:35,625 But the one thing that, 645 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:40,145 and it was part of our, our submission 646 00:27:40,145 --> 00:27:44,385 to TRC was concerned about runoff from the updated road. 647 00:27:44,565 --> 00:27:46,945 And so this, 648 00:27:47,135 --> 00:27:50,905 this 20 foot wide gravel road now with the two feet 649 00:27:50,905 --> 00:27:53,585 of stone is gonna provide some significant volume 650 00:27:53,585 --> 00:27:55,945 that's not there now for water to hold. 651 00:27:55,965 --> 00:27:58,745 So I I, I wouldn't have any major concerns about any water 652 00:27:58,745 --> 00:28:01,545 coming off the road just 653 00:28:01,545 --> 00:28:02,905 because the capacity that's gonna be 654 00:28:03,105 --> 00:28:05,025 provided here is significantly more than what's there now. 655 00:28:08,045 --> 00:28:11,185 Anyone else? Yes. Will the road be gravel? 656 00:28:11,605 --> 00:28:14,905 Yes. Okay. Another question I had was, 657 00:28:16,105 --> 00:28:18,385 I noted in the notes that you had it, 658 00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:21,825 you had the wetland boundaries flagged 659 00:28:22,725 --> 00:28:25,465 by a certified wet wetland scientist back in November 660 00:28:25,485 --> 00:28:26,585 of 2025. 661 00:28:27,085 --> 00:28:30,585 But I don't see a certified wetland scientist stamp on these 662 00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:32,865 plans that should be on the plans. 663 00:28:37,765 --> 00:28:42,545 And I, I also, you know, 664 00:28:42,565 --> 00:28:44,665 as I shared with the chair, I I would like 665 00:28:44,665 --> 00:28:47,585 to see a site visit done by the commission out there. 666 00:28:50,045 --> 00:28:52,945 Any other commissioners have questions for this applicant? 667 00:28:54,565 --> 00:28:58,505 No. How do you have another trip at TRC? 668 00:28:58,925 --> 00:29:00,785 Are you back at TRC? Are you done at TRC? 669 00:29:01,065 --> 00:29:02,465 We are done with TRC. You 670 00:29:02,465 --> 00:29:03,465 Are? 671 00:29:03,845 --> 00:29:05,105 So you got planning and zoning? 672 00:29:05,645 --> 00:29:10,185 Yes, that's correct. So I, 673 00:29:10,305 --> 00:29:11,865 I don't think we're gonna act 674 00:29:12,725 --> 00:29:14,905 on anything tonight at least I, I don't think 675 00:29:14,905 --> 00:29:17,625 that there'll be a, a motion to act on anything tonight. 676 00:29:19,765 --> 00:29:22,105 Couple of things that I'd like like to note, 677 00:29:22,425 --> 00:29:24,345 'cause you'll be back after you go to planting and zoning 678 00:29:24,445 --> 00:29:27,745 and you, you come back here, we have an invasive, 679 00:29:28,325 --> 00:29:31,345 an invasive species, some language. 680 00:29:31,705 --> 00:29:33,545 If it hasn't been provided to you yet, 681 00:29:33,865 --> 00:29:34,905 we can provide it to you. 682 00:29:34,925 --> 00:29:37,945 So make sure that you, you get that in your plan set. 683 00:29:40,505 --> 00:29:42,925 I, I personally would like to see that pipe much bigger. 684 00:29:43,695 --> 00:29:45,765 Pipes under roads are not just for water. 685 00:29:45,795 --> 00:29:47,965 It's, they're for animals too. 686 00:29:48,065 --> 00:29:50,885 And, and some animals are bigger than 12 inches. 687 00:29:50,885 --> 00:29:53,165 So we, we like to, we like to make those pipes 688 00:29:53,165 --> 00:29:54,405 as big as they can be. 689 00:29:56,195 --> 00:29:58,565 Obviously we don't need it, need to be get a car through it. 690 00:29:58,585 --> 00:30:01,445 We wanna be able to have it not get clogged 691 00:30:01,745 --> 00:30:03,245 by a basketball or something like that. 692 00:30:04,305 --> 00:30:08,765 So we, I'd like to see a bigger, bigger pipe under 693 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:10,205 that, under that road. 694 00:30:10,595 --> 00:30:12,125 We'd like to see a stamp from the, 695 00:30:12,235 --> 00:30:13,965 from the scientists obviously on the plants. 696 00:30:14,105 --> 00:30:17,485 As Eileen mentioned, I'd like to see the, 697 00:30:18,305 --> 00:30:19,965 the perk test for the six bedrooms. 698 00:30:20,645 --> 00:30:24,845 A detail on that. Anything else that people would like 699 00:30:24,845 --> 00:30:26,045 to see when they're back before us? 700 00:30:27,355 --> 00:30:30,325 Another, another, just another question I have 701 00:30:31,105 --> 00:30:34,445 on the layout of the house and, 702 00:30:34,745 --> 00:30:38,565 and again, you know, sort to speaking to Rick Metz 703 00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:43,845 who mentioned, you know, pulling things back a bit, one 704 00:30:43,845 --> 00:30:45,805 of the homes, if if you were 705 00:30:45,825 --> 00:30:49,325 to have it a different shape instead of as vertical 706 00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:50,525 as it is, you might be able 707 00:30:50,525 --> 00:30:52,525 to pull it back even more from the wetland. 708 00:30:53,285 --> 00:30:57,525 I don't know, is that a already a preconceived plan for, 709 00:30:57,665 --> 00:30:59,685 for a home to be long like that? 710 00:31:01,465 --> 00:31:04,165 As vertical as it's shown on page, 711 00:31:04,595 --> 00:31:06,005 This one page, page Four of eight. 712 00:31:09,465 --> 00:31:12,245 That's, you know, what we're in the process of now of, 713 00:31:12,505 --> 00:31:16,765 you know, making plans for you. 714 00:31:16,785 --> 00:31:19,525 You have some of the section that's going off as 715 00:31:20,245 --> 00:31:22,285 a attached garage on the house. 716 00:31:22,425 --> 00:31:24,685 That's why it's, but on page 717 00:31:24,695 --> 00:31:25,725 might appear a little bit longer 718 00:31:26,145 --> 00:31:28,685 On page four of eight, could 719 00:31:28,685 --> 00:31:29,725 you look at that one's four of eight? 720 00:31:29,945 --> 00:31:30,965 Yep. Yeah. So that's did 721 00:31:30,965 --> 00:31:34,845 That, if that, if that were to be changed, you know, 722 00:31:34,885 --> 00:31:37,085 a bit it, it could be pulled back and, 723 00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:41,005 and then you wouldn't have that grade, the necess 724 00:31:41,795 --> 00:31:44,565 necessity for such a grade so close to the wetland. 725 00:31:45,745 --> 00:31:48,605 So, so I, I just wanna point out, so, so this house, 726 00:31:49,565 --> 00:31:52,325 I mean we could, we could pull it back a little bit further 727 00:31:52,385 --> 00:31:54,845 in this direction, but the, the, the 728 00:31:56,095 --> 00:31:59,445 issue is relative to the driveway, it's not so much the, 729 00:31:59,545 --> 00:32:00,965 the building if you guys look, 730 00:32:01,065 --> 00:32:03,245 and so the property line 731 00:32:03,585 --> 00:32:05,565 for 38 Jackman is this black line here 732 00:32:05,635 --> 00:32:06,805 that comes across here, right? 733 00:32:06,975 --> 00:32:09,485 Right. And so this is the Jackman road right of way 734 00:32:09,485 --> 00:32:12,085 where the dash line is, that's the existing gravel road. 735 00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:17,085 If you look, our 150 foot buffer is this dash line here. 736 00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:18,845 Right. The entirety 737 00:32:19,025 --> 00:32:22,245 of this property line is within 150 feet. 738 00:32:22,705 --> 00:32:23,845 So the, what I had mentioned 739 00:32:23,845 --> 00:32:27,125 to you guys about this 75 feet is this particular section. 740 00:32:27,215 --> 00:32:29,045 We're coming into the here basically 741 00:32:29,065 --> 00:32:31,285 as far down Jackman road as we possibly can 742 00:32:31,285 --> 00:32:32,365 to turn into the site 743 00:32:32,365 --> 00:32:34,045 because of where the property is located. 744 00:32:34,355 --> 00:32:37,445 Okay. And so we're limited, you know, 745 00:32:37,465 --> 00:32:39,045 we can't turn this driveway up 746 00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:41,005 and in off the recreational trail up 747 00:32:41,005 --> 00:32:42,045 here on this property line. 748 00:32:42,395 --> 00:32:45,005 Okay. So, so this location 749 00:32:45,145 --> 00:32:47,725 of the driveway really can't change. 750 00:32:48,505 --> 00:32:51,725 But what, what was being discussed and, and 751 00:32:51,785 --> 00:32:53,445 and requested is this, 752 00:32:53,585 --> 00:32:56,125 so this dashed line is the 75 foot buffer 753 00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:58,045 to the burn wetland, right? 754 00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:00,805 And what's within 75 feet is a section 755 00:33:00,865 --> 00:33:02,565 of the fire apparatus turnaround 756 00:33:02,705 --> 00:33:04,005 for, for the fire department. 757 00:33:05,385 --> 00:33:08,205 And what was was question was, is there any way 758 00:33:08,205 --> 00:33:10,125 to pull this outta the 75 feet? 759 00:33:10,265 --> 00:33:13,845 And, and I can do my best to try to 760 00:33:16,245 --> 00:33:17,885 rerun the fire apparatus movement, 761 00:33:18,205 --> 00:33:20,365 although I, I think I've got it kind of tight to 762 00:33:20,365 --> 00:33:21,725 where it needs to be at the moment. 763 00:33:22,425 --> 00:33:26,085 But I will do my best to to to try to move that 764 00:33:26,085 --> 00:33:29,405 and see if we can get out of that 75 foot, 75 foot buffer. 765 00:33:29,595 --> 00:33:33,645 Okay. And then maybe the, the house itself though, 766 00:33:33,705 --> 00:33:38,005 if you could reshape that, that house, 767 00:33:38,425 --> 00:33:41,285 you could, you could potentially, you know, reconfigure it 768 00:33:41,285 --> 00:33:42,405 so that you could pull it back. 769 00:33:43,155 --> 00:33:46,485 Well that's outside the 150 feet said The, the, 770 00:33:46,485 --> 00:33:49,085 the A DU in the house is completely outside the 150 feet. 771 00:33:49,455 --> 00:33:52,085 Right. But it's still, it's still the, 772 00:33:52,225 --> 00:33:55,565 the stormwater runoff that will come off that roof is, 773 00:33:55,625 --> 00:33:56,845 is gonna go down that slope 774 00:33:56,865 --> 00:33:58,525 and it's gonna head for the wetlands. 775 00:33:58,525 --> 00:34:00,125 So I'm just looking at that. 776 00:34:00,555 --> 00:34:02,645 Okay. I mean, we have some room that we can, 777 00:34:02,645 --> 00:34:06,205 we can slide this back this way if, if needed. 778 00:34:06,565 --> 00:34:08,245 There's, there's a little bit more room for us to move 779 00:34:08,245 --> 00:34:10,245 that further away from the wetland for the building. 780 00:34:11,865 --> 00:34:13,725 It just unfortunately won't have any impact on 781 00:34:13,725 --> 00:34:15,405 where the driveway is and what's what's, no, 782 00:34:15,425 --> 00:34:17,045 I'm not, I'm not speaking about the driveway. 783 00:34:17,185 --> 00:34:18,445 I'm just speaking about the house. Okay. 784 00:34:18,675 --> 00:34:22,125 Okay. Have you guys done the, as part of your, 785 00:34:24,315 --> 00:34:25,525 your analysis, have you done 786 00:34:25,525 --> 00:34:28,165 that protected species analysis? 787 00:34:28,225 --> 00:34:31,005 Or is that, do you, do you remember if that was in your, 788 00:34:32,675 --> 00:34:35,655 you do like an animal species analysis of the area? We, 789 00:34:35,755 --> 00:34:36,895 We have not, I think it, 790 00:34:36,905 --> 00:34:37,935 it'll probably get triggered by 791 00:34:38,155 --> 00:34:40,375 DS when they, when they apply to DS, they'll have to do 792 00:34:40,375 --> 00:34:41,375 It. 793 00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:42,615 Yes. So when that you'll DES is gonna ask you 794 00:34:42,615 --> 00:34:46,255 to do like a inventory of protected species, 795 00:34:46,405 --> 00:34:48,135 just when you come back before us, just, 796 00:34:48,135 --> 00:34:49,975 just have that for us please. Okay. 797 00:34:49,975 --> 00:34:52,015 Yeah, Absolutely. Because that kind of determines like 798 00:34:52,955 --> 00:34:54,295 how big that pipe needs to be. 799 00:34:54,565 --> 00:34:57,415 Okay. We look at it kind of from two perspectives 800 00:34:57,415 --> 00:35:02,015 as a wildlife corridor and then as a, as a, as a safety, 801 00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:06,375 a safety thing for, well, well more like a wildlife corridor 802 00:35:06,475 --> 00:35:08,615 and then to make sure that the, that the drainage works. 803 00:35:09,335 --> 00:35:12,015 Anything else from us? And Eileen, I think, we'll, 804 00:35:12,015 --> 00:35:13,295 we'll be visiting this property 805 00:35:13,625 --> 00:35:16,655 after we see the kind of the second version. 806 00:35:17,005 --> 00:35:20,015 Guys, you're probably, I, I'm gonna say just 807 00:35:20,015 --> 00:35:21,455 to give you guys an idea of what, what, 808 00:35:21,455 --> 00:35:22,775 what's gonna happen at this board, right? 809 00:35:22,775 --> 00:35:23,975 So you can plan accordingly. 810 00:35:25,515 --> 00:35:27,615 You're gonna go, you're gonna go to the other two boards, 811 00:35:27,615 --> 00:35:28,695 there'll probably be some changes. 812 00:35:29,915 --> 00:35:32,415 You'll come back to us when you come back to us. 813 00:35:32,425 --> 00:35:35,095 We're gonna wanna do a site walk and then 814 00:35:35,385 --> 00:35:38,085 after that site walk, you'll come back to us one more time 815 00:35:38,225 --> 00:35:41,365 and then we can usually button it up at that third meeting 816 00:35:41,975 --> 00:35:44,925 based on what you presented, things that we, 817 00:35:45,225 --> 00:35:48,005 we see at the site walk that we, we may want to add. 818 00:35:48,745 --> 00:35:51,405 And then that, that last meeting, that third meeting, 819 00:35:51,465 --> 00:35:53,005 as long as everything goes the way it should, 820 00:35:53,305 --> 00:35:56,485 we can usually button it up then with all of our, all 821 00:35:56,485 --> 00:35:59,125 of our kind of concerns 822 00:35:59,185 --> 00:36:01,205 or, you know, suggestions, whatever it may be. 823 00:36:02,145 --> 00:36:04,365 So just so you can, in your planning, I know you, 824 00:36:04,365 --> 00:36:06,325 you're gonna, you're gonna plan this thing out. 825 00:36:06,325 --> 00:36:08,405 So just so you know what's down the street for us. 826 00:36:08,465 --> 00:36:09,805 So do do planning 827 00:36:09,825 --> 00:36:11,565 and zoning, come back to us, give us that, 828 00:36:11,565 --> 00:36:12,805 show us that revised plan. 829 00:36:13,055 --> 00:36:16,205 We're gonna meet you at the site, walk the site, 830 00:36:16,945 --> 00:36:19,485 and then at that next meeting we should be able to, 831 00:36:20,025 --> 00:36:21,045 to button it all up. 832 00:36:21,195 --> 00:36:23,245 Okay. Okay. That sound good? Commissioners? 833 00:36:23,245 --> 00:36:25,965 That all sound right? Yep. Sound good everybody? All right. 834 00:36:26,085 --> 00:36:28,485 Anything else from you guys? Nope, I think that's it. 835 00:36:28,485 --> 00:36:30,285 Alright, good. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. 836 00:36:30,575 --> 00:36:32,485 Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. 837 00:36:32,555 --> 00:36:34,085 Have great day and thank you. Thank you. 838 00:36:41,635 --> 00:36:42,635 Good. 839 00:36:48,715 --> 00:36:49,925 Alright, next piece 840 00:36:49,925 --> 00:36:54,165 of business we have gimme one second. 841 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:20,845 Okay, next thing we have is public use of the Cornelius 842 00:37:20,845 --> 00:37:22,725 and Martin, Fernando and Ball properties. 843 00:37:23,025 --> 00:37:25,285 And we have representatives from the Ferd 844 00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:27,445 and Ando family here. 845 00:37:28,515 --> 00:37:32,325 They're gonna talk to us about some concerns they may have 846 00:37:32,325 --> 00:37:33,325 regarding the property. 847 00:37:33,705 --> 00:37:37,895 And Welcome, welcome. 848 00:37:39,005 --> 00:37:41,335 Just state your name and address for the record 849 00:37:41,335 --> 00:37:43,255 before you start talking, please. Thank you. Yeah. 850 00:37:43,955 --> 00:37:47,335 Andrew Chisholm Hamstead, New Hampshire. 851 00:37:48,115 --> 00:37:50,335 I'm Melissa Fernando, dairy New Hampshire. 852 00:37:50,965 --> 00:37:52,215 Good to see you guys. Thanks. 853 00:37:52,235 --> 00:37:53,695 Thanks for having us commissioners. 854 00:37:54,435 --> 00:37:57,055 So I have 855 00:37:58,015 --> 00:37:59,615 material here if you'd like to take a look at it. 856 00:37:59,615 --> 00:38:04,175 I can pass this along. This is the FDA FSMA program, 857 00:38:04,185 --> 00:38:08,295 which FISMA is the Food Safety Modernization Act, which was 858 00:38:08,815 --> 00:38:10,335 enforced in 2023. 859 00:38:15,075 --> 00:38:17,775 So before we start, so just give you a little background, 860 00:38:18,365 --> 00:38:20,255 Melissa and Andrew Yep. 861 00:38:20,315 --> 00:38:23,815 Set the communication to the commission regarding 862 00:38:25,445 --> 00:38:28,055 some concerns they have about the type of use that's being, 863 00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:31,415 that's happening on the properties that they, they own, that 864 00:38:32,195 --> 00:38:34,495 we have easements on that other people have easements on, 865 00:38:34,495 --> 00:38:36,685 but we'll, we'll call it a collection of properties 866 00:38:36,835 --> 00:38:39,125 that we have. 867 00:38:39,695 --> 00:38:42,765 We're all, we, we have stake we're stakeholders of them. 868 00:38:42,765 --> 00:38:43,925 We'll, we'll call it that, right? Yeah. 869 00:38:43,925 --> 00:38:45,085 Sort of stakeholders. Yeah. 870 00:38:45,785 --> 00:38:48,565 The, the document he sent out I think has 871 00:38:48,565 --> 00:38:50,085 to do specifically about dog waste 872 00:38:50,145 --> 00:38:53,845 and how dog waste affects vegetables and stuff like that 873 00:38:53,905 --> 00:38:56,845 and how that can really affect their business. 874 00:38:56,945 --> 00:39:01,765 And obviously we, we know the, for people in the, in 875 00:39:01,765 --> 00:39:04,565 that farm project is a very, very big part of our community. 876 00:39:04,565 --> 00:39:07,125 So we wanna accommodate them every way that we can. 877 00:39:07,925 --> 00:39:08,965 So that's what that book is. 878 00:39:09,085 --> 00:39:10,405 I expect you to read it all tonight. 879 00:39:11,165 --> 00:39:14,245 Cover to cover and report back. 880 00:39:14,825 --> 00:39:17,245 So that's, that's what kind of, that was the catalyst 881 00:39:17,305 --> 00:39:18,445 to this discussion. 882 00:39:18,985 --> 00:39:21,645 So we, we want to, we want to get this stuff resolved 883 00:39:21,705 --> 00:39:24,205 so we can, we can, they can do 884 00:39:24,205 --> 00:39:25,245 what they do and we do what we do. 885 00:39:25,245 --> 00:39:26,485 So go ahead, take it away, Andrew. Correct. 886 00:39:26,485 --> 00:39:28,885 Yeah. So I'll, I'll kind of give you a little history of 887 00:39:29,255 --> 00:39:31,285 where we are with fisma. 888 00:39:31,305 --> 00:39:34,885 And again, fisma Food Safety Modernization Act came out in 889 00:39:34,885 --> 00:39:39,565 2020, but due to the COVID pandemic, it was not enforced 890 00:39:39,785 --> 00:39:41,605 and until 2023. 891 00:39:42,225 --> 00:39:46,485 So 2023 was the first year of enforcement with, with fisma 892 00:39:48,215 --> 00:39:52,645 FISMA is, is, is put up by the FDA and the USDA 893 00:39:53,185 --> 00:39:54,285 and the Commissioner 894 00:39:54,585 --> 00:39:57,245 of Agriculture here in New Hampshire, commissioner Jasper. 895 00:39:58,555 --> 00:40:01,845 It's required now compliance under, 896 00:40:02,985 --> 00:40:04,645 for farms of a certain size. 897 00:40:04,925 --> 00:40:07,645 JNF falls into that the size that is required 898 00:40:07,885 --> 00:40:11,085 to be in compliance with FISMA inspectors come out, 899 00:40:11,365 --> 00:40:12,485 take a look at the property 900 00:40:12,705 --> 00:40:14,845 and make sure that we're in compliance with it. 901 00:40:14,875 --> 00:40:18,005 That manual that you're looking at there is just kind 902 00:40:18,005 --> 00:40:20,445 of the, the, the guidelines that we have to follow 903 00:40:20,445 --> 00:40:24,965 through on that, within those, that manual 904 00:40:24,965 --> 00:40:28,925 that you have in your hands, there is the restriction for 905 00:40:29,545 --> 00:40:32,565 public access to the food, food supply. 906 00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,845 And as you know, there's a big 907 00:40:35,455 --> 00:40:39,205 topic within the country right now about food safety and, 908 00:40:39,265 --> 00:40:42,405 and, and foodborne pathogens 909 00:40:42,405 --> 00:40:43,805 that can get into the food supply. 910 00:40:43,915 --> 00:40:47,485 This is in regards to trying to, to, to mitigate that 911 00:40:49,065 --> 00:40:51,005 things specifically to the property 912 00:40:51,005 --> 00:40:53,845 that we're talking about now is walking trails 913 00:40:53,845 --> 00:40:57,725 that are published in the kiosks at the end of English range 914 00:40:57,985 --> 00:41:00,765 and Happy Lane Holiday Ave Holiday a the Holiday 915 00:41:00,765 --> 00:41:01,885 Ave, sorry, holiday Ave. 916 00:41:02,915 --> 00:41:07,285 There's a kiosk that publishes a, a public walking trail 917 00:41:07,315 --> 00:41:10,125 that goes directly through the corn fields, 918 00:41:10,305 --> 00:41:12,765 the pumpkin fields over at the Pingree 919 00:41:12,765 --> 00:41:14,165 Hill property that we also own. 920 00:41:14,905 --> 00:41:17,165 It goes around the food corn silage. 921 00:41:17,185 --> 00:41:19,245 That's a supply for the, the, 922 00:41:19,265 --> 00:41:20,845 the beef cattle that are over there. 923 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,565 It goes through the hay silo, it goes 924 00:41:23,565 --> 00:41:24,645 through an electric fence. 925 00:41:25,005 --> 00:41:27,245 Those are all the published trails 926 00:41:27,245 --> 00:41:29,845 that are out there right now to 927 00:41:30,665 --> 00:41:32,805 remain in compliance with fsma. 928 00:41:33,905 --> 00:41:37,885 We cannot allow the public to walk through those fields 929 00:41:38,145 --> 00:41:40,965 and we cannot allow dogs to go free 930 00:41:40,965 --> 00:41:42,245 through those fields as well. 931 00:41:42,305 --> 00:41:45,285 We can't enforce that from the farm 932 00:41:45,725 --> 00:41:47,605 that somebody would be walking through those fields, 933 00:41:48,065 --> 00:41:49,725 you know, several acres away. 934 00:41:52,025 --> 00:41:55,165 The other issue with it too, FSMA requires 935 00:41:56,705 --> 00:42:00,885 we have to publish that the, the corn and all the, the crops 936 00:42:00,885 --> 00:42:03,725 and every whatnot are, are employee only access in there. 937 00:42:04,665 --> 00:42:07,485 Our employees that pick through there have to go 938 00:42:07,485 --> 00:42:10,685 through certain guidelines that can't wear jewelry, watches, 939 00:42:11,525 --> 00:42:14,285 things like that have to, they have to wash their hands 940 00:42:14,425 --> 00:42:17,125 and if we do find animal feces, we have 941 00:42:17,125 --> 00:42:19,925 to rope off a certain area and we can't pick in that area. 942 00:42:19,945 --> 00:42:20,965 If they're standing water, 943 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:22,725 we can't pick in standing water areas. 944 00:42:23,385 --> 00:42:25,685 So there's a lot now that comes out into these FSMA 945 00:42:25,685 --> 00:42:30,285 regulations that the published trails 946 00:42:30,285 --> 00:42:34,285 that are up at the kiosks directly violate all that. 947 00:42:34,285 --> 00:42:37,685 Right now that's where we are with, with in regard to fsma. 948 00:42:40,825 --> 00:42:43,285 And again, if this was three years ago, 949 00:42:43,285 --> 00:42:45,125 we wouldn't be having this conversation, but 950 00:42:45,125 --> 00:42:47,285 because these rules came out 951 00:42:47,405 --> 00:42:50,285 and they were all enforced starting in 2023, 952 00:42:50,355 --> 00:42:52,245 this is now a, a pretty hot topic, 953 00:42:52,895 --> 00:42:53,895 Right? 954 00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:57,565 Yeah. So if they were to come out 955 00:42:57,585 --> 00:42:59,645 and somebody's out there that's not a worker 956 00:42:59,715 --> 00:43:00,845 that hasn't been through the program 957 00:43:01,305 --> 00:43:04,725 and has a dog right, we will get fined 958 00:43:05,465 --> 00:43:07,965 and possibly shut down on that whole field. 959 00:43:08,145 --> 00:43:10,125 Gotcha. Sure. 960 00:43:10,145 --> 00:43:11,605 So we weren't aware that there was, 961 00:43:11,745 --> 00:43:14,365 and again, I mean my dad just passed away, 962 00:43:14,385 --> 00:43:17,405 so this is all new stuff that we've been having to deal with 963 00:43:18,225 --> 00:43:20,565 and we weren't aware that there was walking trails 964 00:43:20,565 --> 00:43:22,125 through any of those fields for the public. 965 00:43:23,665 --> 00:43:26,815 So that brings up a big issue for us. 966 00:43:27,545 --> 00:43:29,215 Right. So, and we're sorry 967 00:43:29,215 --> 00:43:31,055 for your loss about your daddy. Yeah, 968 00:43:31,155 --> 00:43:32,155 I'm Very sorry. 969 00:43:32,155 --> 00:43:33,615 He's a great guy. Thank you. He was wonderful. 970 00:43:34,275 --> 00:43:36,655 So we, we wanna work with the Fernando family 971 00:43:36,795 --> 00:43:38,015 and get this, get this resolved. 972 00:43:38,115 --> 00:43:39,415 So Beth 973 00:43:39,415 --> 00:43:43,895 and I have been talking about this quite a bit lately 974 00:43:44,195 --> 00:43:45,855 before you folks came. 975 00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:49,575 Obviously this is probably not a problem just 976 00:43:49,575 --> 00:43:52,215 with the Ford nano property, I'm sure it's, it's becoming a, 977 00:43:52,295 --> 00:43:53,335 a, a statewide problem. 978 00:43:53,615 --> 00:43:56,175 'cause a lot of, a lot of farms have walking trails 979 00:43:56,175 --> 00:43:58,455 through 'em and everyone's addressing it at the same time. 980 00:43:59,255 --> 00:44:04,095 We probably should hand this off to a subcommittee. 981 00:44:04,585 --> 00:44:07,855 Right. But I think we might do this a little differently if, 982 00:44:07,955 --> 00:44:09,575 if I can indulge the commissioners 983 00:44:09,575 --> 00:44:12,575 because I want to, this has to be fast tracked. 984 00:44:12,595 --> 00:44:15,895 We can't, this can't be like a a six month long process. 985 00:44:16,115 --> 00:44:18,375 We want to get this thing done now. Yeah. 986 00:44:18,375 --> 00:44:20,335 We appreciate that FSMA shows up next week. 987 00:44:20,395 --> 00:44:22,695 We don't want problems for the Fernando farm property. 988 00:44:23,435 --> 00:44:28,215 So I would, I think we should consider, 989 00:44:29,595 --> 00:44:31,765 we hand this off to a subcommittee 990 00:44:32,625 --> 00:44:35,525 and have that subcommittee make binding recommendations 991 00:44:36,665 --> 00:44:39,365 to the process rather than because of our meeting schedule. 992 00:44:40,425 --> 00:44:42,205 How, how do people feel about that? 993 00:44:42,845 --> 00:44:44,165 I think that's a good idea. Yeah. 994 00:44:44,165 --> 00:44:46,685 Okay. So, so, and I think we could find a, you know, 995 00:44:46,715 --> 00:44:49,045 sort of a middle road where you can comply 996 00:44:49,165 --> 00:44:50,165 with the regulations, 997 00:44:50,345 --> 00:44:52,485 but also the public would have a, 998 00:44:52,685 --> 00:44:54,965 a revised trail network away from the fields. 999 00:44:54,965 --> 00:44:57,325 Yeah. Right. Because that needs to happen 1000 00:44:57,325 --> 00:45:00,085 because we purchased, you know, 1001 00:45:00,085 --> 00:45:02,285 that conservation easement with public funds. 1002 00:45:02,465 --> 00:45:04,525 So we need to have a revised trail network 1003 00:45:04,995 --> 00:45:08,485 that would not impact your fields and your food operations. 1004 00:45:08,745 --> 00:45:11,365 Yep. Yeah. We aren't against working 1005 00:45:11,505 --> 00:45:13,925 and letting people go where they can go. 1006 00:45:14,145 --> 00:45:16,445 We just can't have them in where they can Right. 1007 00:45:16,445 --> 00:45:18,445 Obviously Yes. Where they can cause us trouble. 1008 00:45:18,445 --> 00:45:21,885 Correct. Correct. Yes. And where dairy has no dog leash law. 1009 00:45:22,145 --> 00:45:24,685 Yep. Whenever we see people with dogs up there, 1010 00:45:24,685 --> 00:45:25,765 they're never on a leash. 1011 00:45:26,065 --> 00:45:28,405 Of course. Right. So if they, 1012 00:45:28,745 --> 00:45:31,045 And then people don't bring dog waste bags, 1013 00:45:31,045 --> 00:45:32,485 which they should always carry but 1014 00:45:32,535 --> 00:45:33,535 Don't fight. 1015 00:45:33,535 --> 00:45:36,085 Exactly. So God forbid there's a person up there walking 1016 00:45:36,115 --> 00:45:38,885 with a loose dog and we have an inspector go up there. 1017 00:45:39,295 --> 00:45:42,325 Right. We're in a lot of trouble. Right? 1018 00:45:42,475 --> 00:45:44,125 Yeah. And we, so we don't want that. Yeah. 1019 00:45:44,185 --> 00:45:47,005 And we've already, we've Beth has already reached out 1020 00:45:47,025 --> 00:45:49,365 to other stakeholders in this process. 1021 00:45:49,635 --> 00:45:52,205 Salt and the people that hold the easements there. 1022 00:45:52,745 --> 00:45:55,805 I'm gonna let you chime in in in one second, Beth. 1023 00:45:57,305 --> 00:46:01,565 And as, as I kind of think this through, does the comm, 1024 00:46:01,565 --> 00:46:03,285 does the commission, does the commission think we should 1025 00:46:03,605 --> 00:46:07,765 just form a new ad hoc committee right now to address this 1026 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:09,965 and get it done and give that committee 1027 00:46:12,345 --> 00:46:15,845 the authorization to make the necessary changes 1028 00:46:17,295 --> 00:46:18,685 Draft to the necessary changes 1029 00:46:20,105 --> 00:46:21,105 For Discussion? 1030 00:46:21,105 --> 00:46:25,205 'cause they would need to be reviewed by counsel both sides. 1031 00:46:27,885 --> 00:46:29,405 'cause you're gonna be ultimately, 1032 00:46:30,985 --> 00:46:34,605 I'm gonna guess we're be ultimately amending the, 1033 00:46:34,945 --> 00:46:36,325 the easement language. 1034 00:46:39,375 --> 00:46:40,405 Sorry to complicate. 1035 00:46:40,745 --> 00:46:42,525 No, that's precisely what I don't wanna do. Yeah. 1036 00:46:43,865 --> 00:46:48,085 But I, but I think we have the authority to, 1037 00:46:48,225 --> 00:46:49,485 to not make permanent changes, 1038 00:46:49,625 --> 00:46:51,525 but to make emergency changes right now. 1039 00:46:51,705 --> 00:46:52,885 Oh, okay. Yeah. 1040 00:46:53,195 --> 00:46:54,365 That would be my guess. Yeah. 1041 00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:58,525 So, so, so just to address the, the existing problem 1042 00:46:58,525 --> 00:46:59,525 that we have, right? 1043 00:47:00,655 --> 00:47:03,005 We're gonna have to backfill us 1044 00:47:03,065 --> 00:47:04,285 and everybody else that's in this 1045 00:47:04,285 --> 00:47:07,445 that's having this discussion in the state are gonna have 1046 00:47:07,445 --> 00:47:09,565 to backfill the permanent solution. 1047 00:47:10,185 --> 00:47:14,245 But to, to get to a, a a, an immediate right solution. 1048 00:47:17,085 --> 00:47:20,725 I think we should have, we can call it temporary 1049 00:47:20,785 --> 00:47:22,445 or we can call it, we can call it, 1050 00:47:22,445 --> 00:47:23,565 you know, whatever we need to call it. 1051 00:47:23,585 --> 00:47:26,685 But I, but I wanna do some, I want to, I want to act now 1052 00:47:28,385 --> 00:47:31,965 to prevent some, some problems. 1053 00:47:32,905 --> 00:47:34,085 So how do people feel about that? 1054 00:47:34,835 --> 00:47:36,685 Yeah, people feel pretty good about that. Okay. 1055 00:47:37,185 --> 00:47:39,085 So I volunteer to chair that committee. 1056 00:47:40,555 --> 00:47:43,135 I'd like to have Beth join me in that committee. 1057 00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:45,015 Who else is interested in being involved in that committee? 1058 00:47:45,135 --> 00:47:47,855 I would, Eileen I would be interested in. 1059 00:47:48,235 --> 00:47:50,575 And how many can we have Beth? Three. Three 1060 00:47:50,675 --> 00:47:51,675 Up to three? 1061 00:47:51,675 --> 00:47:54,615 Yes. Alright. So it's gonna be myself, Eileen, Bob, 1062 00:47:54,875 --> 00:47:55,935 and Beth and Beth you 1063 00:47:55,935 --> 00:47:57,095 don't count 'cause you're not a sitting. 1064 00:47:59,635 --> 00:48:04,575 So the four of us are, are very quickly gonna come up 1065 00:48:04,575 --> 00:48:07,175 with the, at least a temporary solution. 1066 00:48:09,395 --> 00:48:12,855 And what it will probably be is a sign at the kiosk 1067 00:48:14,825 --> 00:48:15,245 saying 1068 00:48:19,875 --> 00:48:23,085 that, you know, walking within the fields 1069 00:48:23,105 --> 00:48:25,645 or within a certain distance of the fields, right? 1070 00:48:25,875 --> 00:48:27,525 Like we have to probably have like 50 1071 00:48:27,525 --> 00:48:28,725 Foot setback or something like that. 1072 00:48:28,725 --> 00:48:31,885 There's some manual there. There's some Are there setbacks? 1073 00:48:32,675 --> 00:48:34,685 Yeah, there's setbacks. And there's also, I'm 1074 00:48:34,685 --> 00:48:35,685 Not gonna read it. 1075 00:48:35,685 --> 00:48:37,125 Tell me what it is. Is it 50, is it 50 feet? 1076 00:48:37,635 --> 00:48:39,365 Does it like 50 feet? I don't, off the top of my head. 1077 00:48:39,405 --> 00:48:41,565 I don't remember if it's 50 or 75 feet on on there. 1078 00:48:41,985 --> 00:48:43,085 So whatever it's in there. We're gonna, 1079 00:48:43,085 --> 00:48:44,165 we're gonna dot. Yeah, we'll mimic 1080 00:48:44,165 --> 00:48:45,165 It. 1081 00:48:45,165 --> 00:48:46,405 And then in the back of that there's some 1082 00:48:47,355 --> 00:48:50,685 FSMA put out sign signage that has to go up around the farm, 1083 00:48:50,825 --> 00:48:51,885 around fields 1084 00:48:51,885 --> 00:48:54,005 that are within walking distance of the farm stand. 1085 00:48:54,105 --> 00:48:56,965 But that would also apply in this case as well to the Yeah. 1086 00:48:56,965 --> 00:48:58,045 Published walking jails. 1087 00:48:58,045 --> 00:49:00,685 Yeah. We could put up like the signs that were required 1088 00:49:00,785 --> 00:49:04,965 to have down by the farm says like no 1089 00:49:05,035 --> 00:49:06,645 dogs no authorized. 1090 00:49:06,645 --> 00:49:08,645 Like if you're not an employee you can't come in here. 1091 00:49:08,645 --> 00:49:12,085 Like we could also put some signs up so people kind of know 1092 00:49:12,085 --> 00:49:13,685 where it is we never did before. 1093 00:49:13,925 --> 00:49:15,885 'cause it wasn't an issue right up there. 1094 00:49:15,885 --> 00:49:18,005 Because normally it's not the place the public goes 1095 00:49:18,005 --> 00:49:21,405 unless they're like out picking 1096 00:49:21,485 --> 00:49:22,965 something they're authorized to do. 1097 00:49:23,425 --> 00:49:24,925 So you're saying that FISMA has the, 1098 00:49:24,985 --> 00:49:26,485 has the regulations right? In that book? 1099 00:49:27,035 --> 00:49:28,165 Yeah, they do. Yeah. So maybe 1100 00:49:28,165 --> 00:49:29,325 We can make this easier than I thought. 1101 00:49:29,345 --> 00:49:32,845 So so why don't we, why don't we consider right now having a 1102 00:49:32,845 --> 00:49:36,165 vote saying that we're gonna adopt the best practices 1103 00:49:37,945 --> 00:49:41,005 in the FIS b re FISMA regulation book. 1104 00:49:41,005 --> 00:49:42,285 And Beth, you can help me with which 1105 00:49:42,285 --> 00:49:43,645 properties are, are the ones we have. 1106 00:49:43,705 --> 00:49:44,685 You can help me with that, right? 1107 00:49:44,865 --> 00:49:45,685 The properties that we have. 1108 00:49:45,745 --> 00:49:46,765 So how do people feel about that? 1109 00:49:46,785 --> 00:49:50,605 Do you want to adopt the FSMA 1110 00:49:51,395 --> 00:49:54,445 regulations in relation to this property? 1111 00:49:58,785 --> 00:50:00,605 Excuse me one second. Just one second. Go 1112 00:50:00,605 --> 00:50:01,605 Ahead. 1113 00:50:01,615 --> 00:50:03,565 While you're doing that, if I could put it in my 2 cents 1114 00:50:03,565 --> 00:50:06,205 that that that would, the commissioner of agriculture here, 1115 00:50:06,205 --> 00:50:08,525 commissioner Jasper would, would be happy with that. 1116 00:50:08,595 --> 00:50:10,605 That I think would check off all the boxes. 1117 00:50:10,835 --> 00:50:12,565 Just adopting the FSMA regulations. 1118 00:50:13,025 --> 00:50:16,125 Are the four properties listed on our agenda, 1119 00:50:16,185 --> 00:50:17,725 are those the only properties affected? 1120 00:50:19,105 --> 00:50:21,005 You mentioned Pingree Hill, is that, is that 1121 00:50:21,115 --> 00:50:22,115 Yeah. 1122 00:50:22,115 --> 00:50:24,965 The old Auburn Road that has the walking trail going 1123 00:50:24,965 --> 00:50:28,685 through like the feed in the silo 1124 00:50:28,785 --> 00:50:30,125 and then through our electric fence. 1125 00:50:30,625 --> 00:50:35,605 So the electric fence obviously would be 1126 00:50:35,605 --> 00:50:38,045 a safety thing for somebody going through there. 1127 00:50:38,255 --> 00:50:40,965 Right. But the other area is where we have corn planted 1128 00:50:41,025 --> 00:50:43,485 and then where the other, the cows feed is, 1129 00:50:43,755 --> 00:50:45,485 there's a walking trail through that 1130 00:50:45,745 --> 00:50:48,165 and then it's the properties off 1131 00:50:48,355 --> 00:50:49,725 English Range Road English range. 1132 00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:50,405 Okay. 1133 00:51:08,945 --> 00:51:10,605 Is that a question? Yep. Bob, 1134 00:51:12,425 --> 00:51:13,845 Is that book yours? 1135 00:51:13,945 --> 00:51:15,125 And you're sharing it with us? 1136 00:51:15,185 --> 00:51:16,605 Yes. Yes. Yeah. So 1137 00:51:17,265 --> 00:51:18,265 Mr. 1138 00:51:18,265 --> 00:51:21,365 Chairman, I'd recommend that we get a copy Yeah. 1139 00:51:21,625 --> 00:51:24,445 For and we can look through town. Okay. 1140 00:51:24,475 --> 00:51:26,245 Yeah, we can get you a copy of that. Yeah. 1141 00:51:26,925 --> 00:51:29,765 I also will 'cause watch here, we can't just look 1142 00:51:29,765 --> 00:51:31,005 through this, browse through it. 1143 00:51:31,005 --> 00:51:33,765 Yeah. Have lot. I use that as an example. 1144 00:51:33,865 --> 00:51:37,165 So you can see how extensive these fees regulations are. 1145 00:51:37,785 --> 00:51:39,325 We need to know what's going on. 1146 00:51:39,985 --> 00:51:42,605 I'm Sure you're sharing it with us, but it Yeah, yeah, 1147 00:51:42,915 --> 00:51:43,915 Yeah, yeah. 1148 00:51:43,915 --> 00:51:46,125 We're, we're pretty well up to speed on it. Yeah. 1149 00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:48,005 It's, it's a tick book. Yeah. 1150 00:51:48,275 --> 00:51:51,005 Alright, so, so after talking to our council liaison, 1151 00:51:53,415 --> 00:51:55,725 we're gonna pivot back to the, to the ad hoc committee 1152 00:51:56,155 --> 00:51:59,565 because we, 1153 00:51:59,665 --> 00:52:02,845 we probably are gonna need approval from, well we, we may 1154 00:52:02,845 --> 00:52:04,645 or may not need approval from someone else. 1155 00:52:05,545 --> 00:52:09,805 And that if, if we just have that ad hoc committee have 1156 00:52:11,265 --> 00:52:15,245 the authority to to, to do it, 1157 00:52:15,865 --> 00:52:17,245 we don't have to wait for another meeting 1158 00:52:17,385 --> 00:52:18,645 to, to vote it through. 1159 00:52:19,345 --> 00:52:20,885 So let's go back to that. 1160 00:52:21,255 --> 00:52:24,525 Let's go back to the ad hoc committee that's gonna work 1161 00:52:24,635 --> 00:52:28,965 with the property owner 1162 00:52:31,185 --> 00:52:35,685 to satisfy the FSMA regulations. 1163 00:52:41,715 --> 00:52:45,575 So I think the motion should be that we authorize 1164 00:52:48,335 --> 00:52:50,535 a, we're gonna call it an emergency committee 1165 00:52:56,785 --> 00:53:00,125 to establish guidelines on which property? 1166 00:53:00,195 --> 00:53:01,195 Beth? 1167 00:53:01,715 --> 00:53:06,325 Yeah. So it's the Fernando property, 1168 00:53:06,425 --> 00:53:08,925 the Cornelius and farm property 1169 00:53:09,345 --> 00:53:11,285 and the Martin farm property. 1170 00:53:11,785 --> 00:53:14,605 So the Fernando property, the Cornelius and property 1171 00:53:14,905 --> 00:53:16,805 and the Martin farm property. Do we do 1172 00:53:16,805 --> 00:53:21,285 We include up farm farms and ball farm also is there 1173 00:53:21,465 --> 00:53:23,845 and I Oh yes you do have, you have active 1174 00:53:24,675 --> 00:53:26,325 crop fields there as well? 1175 00:53:26,325 --> 00:53:29,005 Yeah. So the ball property as well. We 1176 00:53:29,005 --> 00:53:31,205 Include the pingree too, since they mentioned that. 1177 00:53:31,545 --> 00:53:33,325 That's the Martin farm. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's the 1178 00:53:33,325 --> 00:53:34,325 Part. 1179 00:53:34,745 --> 00:53:36,285 Oh, Martin farm is different I think 1180 00:53:36,285 --> 00:53:37,325 than Pingree isn't it? 1181 00:53:37,665 --> 00:53:40,005 Is the ball. Oh, it's the field. 1182 00:53:40,385 --> 00:53:41,525 You get to the top of the hill 1183 00:53:41,525 --> 00:53:45,965 and it's that slope that's facing North River. 1184 00:53:46,835 --> 00:53:48,965 It's Cornfield. Yes. Yeah. 1185 00:53:52,555 --> 00:53:56,645 Just outta curiosity from your knowledge of what that says. 1186 00:53:57,495 --> 00:53:59,565 After the fields have been harvested, 1187 00:54:00,505 --> 00:54:02,485 can public go on them at that point 1188 00:54:03,075 --> 00:54:04,725 Then we get into cover crop 1189 00:54:05,185 --> 00:54:09,045 and a lot of times cover crop is used as feed for the, 1190 00:54:09,705 --> 00:54:11,365 the beef and dairy cows also. 1191 00:54:11,465 --> 00:54:13,445 So you get into kind of a, 1192 00:54:14,125 --> 00:54:17,285 a very small window into when they can, it says, FISMA says 1193 00:54:17,285 --> 00:54:21,765 that during harvest season of the crops and growing season. 1194 00:54:21,985 --> 00:54:23,605 So that would be, you know, we're, yeah, 1195 00:54:23,605 --> 00:54:25,365 we're right in the middle of harvest season right now, 1196 00:54:25,465 --> 00:54:27,965 but you get into cover crop season as well. 1197 00:54:27,985 --> 00:54:29,405 And that's, there's rye up there 1198 00:54:29,425 --> 00:54:31,445 and there's a lot of times there'll be 1199 00:54:32,675 --> 00:54:36,965 different cover crops that's turned into hay silage. Yep. 1200 00:54:37,275 --> 00:54:39,285 Okay. I'm just curious. 1201 00:54:42,825 --> 00:54:44,685 You think you got it? I think so. 1202 00:54:46,835 --> 00:54:49,845 Okay. Commissioners, are we on, 1203 00:54:49,845 --> 00:54:50,965 everybody on board with this? 1204 00:54:50,965 --> 00:54:55,485 We're gonna establish a ad hoc committee to work 1205 00:54:55,485 --> 00:54:57,525 with the Fernando Farm Project 1206 00:54:57,905 --> 00:55:01,205 and establish some guidelines 1207 00:55:04,705 --> 00:55:06,365 on public use on those properties. 1208 00:55:10,335 --> 00:55:12,555 And that committee's gonna have authority 1209 00:55:12,615 --> 00:55:15,635 to make those changes and then we'll work, 1210 00:55:15,705 --> 00:55:18,155 work towards a long term, a longer term. 1211 00:55:19,425 --> 00:55:22,275 That sound good? Yeah. Okay. Alright. 1212 00:55:22,895 --> 00:55:24,035 Mr. Metz, take it away. 1213 00:55:24,305 --> 00:55:25,475 Wait, I'm writing. Okay. 1214 00:55:32,485 --> 00:55:33,915 Tammy, you'll never be able to read this. 1215 00:55:33,935 --> 00:55:36,675 So move 1216 00:55:36,835 --> 00:55:40,035 to establish an emergency ad hoc committee to 1217 00:55:41,065 --> 00:55:44,315 prepare guidelines for the Fernando, Cornelius Martin 1218 00:55:44,455 --> 00:55:47,955 and Ball properties, using the FSMA regulations 1219 00:55:48,655 --> 00:55:50,555 to form guidelines for public access 1220 00:55:51,375 --> 00:55:52,915 to the aforementioned properties 1221 00:55:55,405 --> 00:55:56,405 As motional floors. 1222 00:55:56,405 --> 00:55:58,345 Is there a second? Second. It's second. 1223 00:55:58,405 --> 00:56:01,265 By Cheryl, I'm gonna ask for a roll call on this. 1224 00:56:02,385 --> 00:56:04,345 Starting to my right? 1225 00:56:05,445 --> 00:56:07,945 Yes. Yes, Yes, 1226 00:56:08,525 --> 00:56:09,625 Yes, Yes, 1227 00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:11,125 Yes, yes. 1228 00:56:12,395 --> 00:56:17,145 Chair votes? Yes. Okay. That committee. 1229 00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:19,545 Let's do one more motion on the people on that committee. 1230 00:56:21,345 --> 00:56:25,125 Mr. Foot, will you join us in that committee? Yes. Okay. 1231 00:56:25,125 --> 00:56:28,885 Alright. So motion to have the committee be as such. 1232 00:56:29,175 --> 00:56:31,565 It'll be chaired by Rico, the chairman 1233 00:56:32,115 --> 00:56:34,685 members will be Eileen and Bob 1234 00:56:35,745 --> 00:56:38,485 and liaisons will be Beth and Charlie. 1235 00:56:39,485 --> 00:56:42,445 I get a motion to that. So moved. We a first. 1236 00:56:42,465 --> 00:56:44,965 Is there a second? Second First by Mr. 1237 00:56:45,105 --> 00:56:48,725 Met, second by Cheryl. Les in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? 1238 00:56:48,935 --> 00:56:51,525 Abstention. Great. Alright, so we'll get it solved. 1239 00:56:52,135 --> 00:56:55,325 Thank Great. Give us a little window to get it done. 1240 00:56:55,485 --> 00:56:58,125 I, we, we just have to check with the powers 1241 00:56:58,125 --> 00:57:01,525 that be on the town side to see how much authority we have. 1242 00:57:02,145 --> 00:57:04,645 But I, I'm assuming that we have all the authority we need. 1243 00:57:05,555 --> 00:57:07,325 Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. Great. Thank you. 1244 00:57:07,705 --> 00:57:10,325 So Beth, you're be, that's gonna be your point of contact. 1245 00:57:10,675 --> 00:57:12,605 Okay? So work with her, okay? Yep. 1246 00:57:12,945 --> 00:57:14,085 Yep. Thank you. 1247 00:57:14,615 --> 00:57:18,325 Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Give his book back. 1248 00:57:19,285 --> 00:57:20,325 I know you don't 1249 00:57:20,325 --> 00:57:21,565 Want keep it. I wish you had another one. Do 1250 00:57:21,565 --> 00:57:22,565 You have another one? 1251 00:57:22,565 --> 00:57:23,605 What? No, no, we get, we can get it. 1252 00:57:23,945 --> 00:57:24,885 We gave us that at the 1253 00:57:24,965 --> 00:57:26,085 training meeting. We had to go see if 1254 00:57:26,085 --> 00:57:28,085 You get or see if we, if we can get one back. 1255 00:57:28,205 --> 00:57:29,485 I actually do have my dad's copy. Are 1256 00:57:29,485 --> 00:57:31,485 We giving this back to you or are you Yeah, we can, 1257 00:57:31,745 --> 00:57:33,765 So I could get that and get it to you can 1258 00:57:33,765 --> 00:57:34,765 Give you Phil copy. 1259 00:57:34,835 --> 00:57:37,965 Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. 1260 00:57:38,065 --> 00:57:39,605 Thanks for coming. Thanks. Thanks. 1261 00:57:46,775 --> 00:57:51,155 So the scope of that is, yeah. 1262 00:57:52,245 --> 00:57:56,475 Thank you. Another Thank 1263 00:57:56,475 --> 00:57:57,275 You both. Thank 1264 00:57:57,395 --> 00:57:58,395 You. 1265 00:57:58,395 --> 00:57:58,595 Thank you. Thanks. 1266 00:58:02,905 --> 00:58:07,475 It's like anything Jay. Alright. 1267 00:58:07,505 --> 00:58:11,435 Five minutes of eight. I want everybody to note the time 1268 00:58:12,355 --> 00:58:14,235 'cause we still have a lot, lot of stuff to cover. 1269 00:58:15,335 --> 00:58:16,835 Is it, is this gentleman? 1270 00:58:17,535 --> 00:58:18,435 Sir, are you here to speak 1271 00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:19,755 on anything or you just observing? 1272 00:58:20,635 --> 00:58:21,915 I came here to ask you speak 1273 00:58:21,915 --> 00:58:22,915 Today. 1274 00:58:22,915 --> 00:58:24,915 Okay. Huh? Wait, 1275 00:58:24,915 --> 00:58:27,155 before you do, why don't you stay over there for a minute? 1276 00:58:34,845 --> 00:58:39,165 Hmm. Right now It's always there. 1277 00:58:39,955 --> 00:58:41,165 Yeah, it's always there. 1278 00:58:49,845 --> 00:58:50,405 I actually, 1279 00:58:54,695 --> 00:58:55,925 who's in charge of, 1280 00:59:15,795 --> 00:59:16,795 Okay. 1281 00:59:16,795 --> 00:59:19,405 We need to have a vote to open a public hearing. 1282 00:59:19,665 --> 00:59:22,965 So we need a motion for that 1283 00:59:23,875 --> 00:59:25,125 Move to open a public hearing. 1284 00:59:25,505 --> 00:59:28,445 Second. Second. Who is the second? Eileen? Second for? 1285 00:59:28,445 --> 00:59:30,565 Alright. Motion by Mr. Metz, second by Eileen. 1286 00:59:30,565 --> 00:59:33,525 We're gonna open a public hearing for how many minutes Mr. 1287 00:59:33,715 --> 00:59:34,715 Metz? 1288 00:59:35,265 --> 00:59:36,805 Max of 15. Okay. 1289 00:59:36,805 --> 00:59:37,925 Alright, so we have a public, 1290 00:59:37,935 --> 00:59:39,925 we're gonna open a public hearing for 15 minutes. 1291 00:59:39,945 --> 00:59:42,645 We have a constituent that'd like to address the commission. 1292 00:59:42,645 --> 00:59:43,845 Come on. Officer state your name 1293 00:59:43,845 --> 00:59:45,885 for the record and your address please. 1294 00:59:53,095 --> 00:59:54,475 Can you hear me all right? You can, yeah. 1295 00:59:54,475 --> 00:59:58,755 Yeah. My name is Greg Boyko. B-O-I-K-O. 1296 00:59:59,595 --> 01:00:01,955 I live at 10 Jo Lane Dairy, New Hampshire. 1297 01:00:02,425 --> 01:00:05,675 I've been a resident of dairy for I think, 43 years. 1298 01:00:05,695 --> 01:00:08,475 If, if my math's correct, maybe a little longer. 1299 01:00:10,815 --> 01:00:12,675 I'm concerned right now about a couple of things. 1300 01:00:13,635 --> 01:00:17,155 I actually spent the day on the town forest today 1301 01:00:18,555 --> 01:00:20,835 'cause it's my property abuts the town forest. 1302 01:00:21,855 --> 01:00:26,675 And I'm basically concerned about the building activity at, 1303 01:00:26,895 --> 01:00:29,115 at the address called 12 Jewel Lane. 1304 01:00:30,665 --> 01:00:32,075 I've actually been to DES once. 1305 01:00:32,705 --> 01:00:34,195 They said they had nothing on that 1306 01:00:35,055 --> 01:00:39,555 and actually talked to the town council, the administrator. 1307 01:00:40,655 --> 01:00:43,275 And he got in touch with code enforcements 1308 01:00:44,215 --> 01:00:45,555 and they came down 1309 01:00:46,495 --> 01:00:48,835 and they assured me that they're on top of it. 1310 01:00:48,855 --> 01:00:50,475 And they have also talked to DES 1311 01:00:52,575 --> 01:00:53,915 and I don't wanna take a lot of your time. 1312 01:00:55,255 --> 01:00:59,035 I'm not prepared, you know, this makes me nervous. 1313 01:00:59,245 --> 01:01:01,475 Don't get me wrong. My son is gonna kill me 1314 01:01:01,755 --> 01:01:02,755 'cause I'm gonna have a heart attack. 1315 01:01:02,915 --> 01:01:04,555 'cause my blood pressure's gonna go through the roof. 1316 01:01:05,275 --> 01:01:06,275 Well relax. You're gonna have, 1317 01:01:06,275 --> 01:01:07,195 you don't have to be nervous here. 1318 01:01:07,285 --> 01:01:09,835 We're all friendly so I can go tell, tell us what's up. 1319 01:01:10,505 --> 01:01:13,155 When co enforcement people came up there, they, 1320 01:01:13,345 --> 01:01:15,595 they made me feel very, very assured. 1321 01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:17,875 They said that DES was involved 1322 01:01:18,255 --> 01:01:19,475 and they're gonna look into it. 1323 01:01:20,305 --> 01:01:23,875 What I'm concerned about right now is, 1324 01:01:24,035 --> 01:01:26,835 'cause I don't know, the answers to these things is who's in 1325 01:01:26,835 --> 01:01:28,195 charge of soil erosion? 1326 01:01:31,445 --> 01:01:32,665 Who, who monitors that? 1327 01:01:32,925 --> 01:01:35,265 Is it during, during, is it during building? 1328 01:01:35,285 --> 01:01:36,345 Are they building something there? 1329 01:01:37,495 --> 01:01:41,185 They have filled, which I have files here, 1330 01:01:42,825 --> 01:01:46,385 I don't wanna swear, but they have filled, well they told me 1331 01:01:46,385 --> 01:01:50,185 that they took out 200 loads of fill 1332 01:01:50,245 --> 01:01:53,465 and dur from the exit fore project, 1333 01:01:54,115 --> 01:01:57,425 which is all like stone and boulders and dur. 1334 01:01:57,685 --> 01:01:59,425 So they built a house there. Is that? Yes. 1335 01:01:59,425 --> 01:02:00,785 They're, they, they started to build a house. 1336 01:02:01,165 --> 01:02:02,025 Oh yeah. So that would be 1337 01:02:02,025 --> 01:02:03,225 code enforcement. They're, they're the people. 1338 01:02:03,275 --> 01:02:05,265 Right. But they came, but I wanted, I 1339 01:02:05,785 --> 01:02:07,505 actually got in touch with DES 1340 01:02:07,685 --> 01:02:08,705 and I figured I would, 1341 01:02:09,145 --> 01:02:10,665 I would just wanna have an email address 1342 01:02:11,085 --> 01:02:12,625 so I can email the whole board 1343 01:02:12,965 --> 01:02:15,305 for the exactly the same files that I sent them. 1344 01:02:16,055 --> 01:02:17,945 Okay. So you could, you can do that. You can do that. 1345 01:02:18,405 --> 01:02:19,605 The email would come to me 1346 01:02:19,825 --> 01:02:21,165 and then I would disseminate it 1347 01:02:21,165 --> 01:02:22,645 to the, to the commissioners. 1348 01:02:22,985 --> 01:02:25,085 We can't, we can't have emails to a lot 1349 01:02:25,085 --> 01:02:26,325 of different people at once because 1350 01:02:26,345 --> 01:02:27,485 it becomes a public meeting. 1351 01:02:27,555 --> 01:02:29,645 Yeah. So you can, you can, you can send it to me 1352 01:02:29,945 --> 01:02:31,125 and you can get my email right off. 1353 01:02:31,125 --> 01:02:32,565 All I need is that address. Yeah, 1354 01:02:32,565 --> 01:02:33,845 you can get it right off the town website. 1355 01:02:33,845 --> 01:02:35,725 It's a link. Okay. You can just put, hit the link 1356 01:02:35,725 --> 01:02:37,485 and it'll automatically send it to me. 1357 01:02:37,835 --> 01:02:40,605 Okay. Yeah. Also, if there's a wetlands permit, 1358 01:02:40,615 --> 01:02:41,725 which there should be. 1359 01:02:42,365 --> 01:02:43,965 I, I remember us going out there 1360 01:02:44,185 --> 01:02:46,165 and there was gonna be some filling of a stream 1361 01:02:47,855 --> 01:02:49,325 since there's a wetlands permit. 1362 01:02:49,505 --> 01:02:52,165 The DES would also have control over soil erosion. 1363 01:02:52,995 --> 01:02:54,885 What I'm finding is a lot of confusion. 1364 01:02:55,905 --> 01:02:58,285 The town wanted him to build the house someplace else, 1365 01:02:59,205 --> 01:03:00,645 but he decided on a different place. 1366 01:03:01,245 --> 01:03:03,725 I know I actually came to this meeting before and spoke 1367 01:03:04,645 --> 01:03:06,645 'cause they wanted to change the 1368 01:03:07,055 --> 01:03:08,765 pedestrian easement. Right, 1369 01:03:08,765 --> 01:03:09,765 Right, right. 1370 01:03:09,765 --> 01:03:10,965 I remember that very well. Yes. Yep. 1371 01:03:11,185 --> 01:03:12,925 And I came and spoke in favor of that. 1372 01:03:13,065 --> 01:03:17,565 And I wasn't in favor of having the pedestrian easement, 1373 01:03:17,985 --> 01:03:22,975 but I'm having a large 1374 01:03:23,075 --> 01:03:26,735 change of heart after witnessing what's 1375 01:03:26,805 --> 01:03:27,935 like right out my door. 1376 01:03:28,295 --> 01:03:30,375 I don't have to go outside. I can just look out my window. 1377 01:03:31,115 --> 01:03:36,015 Wow. And I'm, I know I, I'm going to have 1378 01:03:36,015 --> 01:03:37,935 to contact an attorney, which I plan 1379 01:03:37,935 --> 01:03:39,135 on going to see one anyway. 1380 01:03:41,155 --> 01:03:45,575 The 'cause like I said, I'm, I've actually been 1381 01:03:45,575 --> 01:03:46,695 to court on this property 1382 01:03:46,695 --> 01:03:50,935 before where some people I thought they were 1383 01:03:50,935 --> 01:03:53,495 dumping tire rims. 1384 01:03:54,445 --> 01:03:57,175 Tire rims. But it turns out they were, they, 1385 01:03:57,435 --> 01:04:00,575 the people had stolen the welding tanks from 1386 01:04:01,255 --> 01:04:04,575 Wyndham Welding Supply and the kids stole the welding tanks. 1387 01:04:04,975 --> 01:04:06,375 'cause they wanted the nitrous oxide. 1388 01:04:07,195 --> 01:04:12,055 And I had to, I was a witness for the, the town prosecutor 1389 01:04:13,375 --> 01:04:14,695 subpoenaed me to come to court for that. 1390 01:04:15,395 --> 01:04:17,055 So I know that property intimately. 1391 01:04:17,315 --> 01:04:18,975 Oh, you have my you have my email address. 1392 01:04:19,115 --> 01:04:20,495 You can send me that email. Yeah. 1393 01:04:20,495 --> 01:04:21,655 That's all I wanna do. That's 1394 01:04:21,675 --> 01:04:22,675 All I wanna do. 1395 01:04:22,675 --> 01:04:23,975 Send me that email and if I, and, and, and, 1396 01:04:24,355 --> 01:04:25,575 and I'll dis I'll send it 1397 01:04:25,575 --> 01:04:27,975 to the appropriate people on our side. That's all I 1398 01:04:27,975 --> 01:04:29,615 Really want To, I, I appreciate you coming. 1399 01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:31,415 Thanks for coming out and speaking. Thank you very much. 1400 01:04:31,475 --> 01:04:32,415 You can come here. You don't have 1401 01:04:32,415 --> 01:04:33,295 to be nervous to come here. 1402 01:04:33,295 --> 01:04:35,215 We're we're, we're easy, easy to talk to. 1403 01:04:35,715 --> 01:04:37,695 I'm sorry. I'm almost 70 years old. 1404 01:04:37,995 --> 01:04:39,215 Wet have to be. Sorry about that. Oh, don't 1405 01:04:39,215 --> 01:04:40,215 Be don't be sorry. 1406 01:04:40,215 --> 01:04:41,775 Please don't be sorry. We're all 1407 01:04:41,775 --> 01:04:42,775 Working on that. 1408 01:04:43,285 --> 01:04:44,975 Alright. Thank you for coming. 1409 01:04:45,065 --> 01:04:46,895 Thank you. I'm just nervous. Yeah, sure 1410 01:04:47,325 --> 01:04:48,325 Will be. 1411 01:04:48,325 --> 01:04:49,975 Send that email and I'll make sure that I, I look it over. 1412 01:04:50,085 --> 01:04:51,895 Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Thank you, sir. 1413 01:04:51,895 --> 01:04:53,255 Thank you so much for coming. Thank you. 1414 01:04:53,255 --> 01:04:55,415 Thanks. All right. 1415 01:04:55,415 --> 01:04:57,615 So we need a motion to close the public hearing. Motion 1416 01:04:57,615 --> 01:04:58,815 To close the public hearing. Is there 1417 01:04:58,815 --> 01:04:59,815 Second? 1418 01:04:59,815 --> 01:05:01,895 Second. First. By Mr. Met. Second by Eileen. 1419 01:05:01,895 --> 01:05:05,295 All is in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. 1420 01:05:05,435 --> 01:05:07,535 Public hearing is closed next door. 1421 01:05:07,555 --> 01:05:09,575 Our business is committee and liaison. 1422 01:05:09,575 --> 01:05:13,095 Reports up to five minutes. Please go. 1423 01:05:13,195 --> 01:05:15,415 Go to the five minutes. 'cause again, it's 8 0 5. 1424 01:05:15,715 --> 01:05:19,925 We are gonna have a non-public tonight. The Red Sox are on. 1425 01:05:20,005 --> 01:05:21,565 I want at least see the night. Night. 1426 01:05:23,967 --> 01:05:26,005 So community gardens. Jay, go ahead. 1427 01:05:26,235 --> 01:05:30,045 Okay. Harvesting is in full swing. 1428 01:05:30,585 --> 01:05:33,645 Anyone wants some tomatoes help themselves 1429 01:05:34,345 --> 01:05:37,925 and we are planning a harvest event. 1430 01:05:38,365 --> 01:05:41,405 We're gonna have a me a meeting at the end of this meeting 1431 01:05:41,435 --> 01:05:44,885 with our subcommittee briefly to, I 1432 01:05:45,715 --> 01:05:50,325 drafted a proposed scheme for the event, 1433 01:05:51,015 --> 01:05:53,605 which will include the friends 1434 01:05:53,785 --> 01:05:58,245 and family of the gardeners who have plots there. 1435 01:05:58,385 --> 01:06:03,365 And we're gonna celebrate the harvest and discuss the season 1436 01:06:04,785 --> 01:06:09,085 and just share, share our time 1437 01:06:09,145 --> 01:06:11,205 and talk about a few business items 1438 01:06:11,305 --> 01:06:14,725 and proposals for the, for the garden that we 1439 01:06:15,735 --> 01:06:17,045 might wanna implement 1440 01:06:17,865 --> 01:06:20,965 and get the feedback from, from our gardeners. 1441 01:06:22,545 --> 01:06:24,485 So that's, that's the latest event. 1442 01:06:24,485 --> 01:06:26,165 Meanwhile, we're just in full swing. 1443 01:06:26,185 --> 01:06:27,965 The gardens are amazing. 1444 01:06:28,395 --> 01:06:33,165 They, the corn is growing 10, 11, 12 1445 01:06:33,235 --> 01:06:37,365 feet high and sunflowers are folding over. 1446 01:06:37,365 --> 01:06:40,125 They're so huge and it's a great season. 1447 01:06:40,235 --> 01:06:42,365 It's been a good, good season for the weather 1448 01:06:43,585 --> 01:06:47,645 and we're, we're grateful for those amendments that we're 1449 01:06:48,265 --> 01:06:52,605 put in and we're enjoying 1450 01:06:52,605 --> 01:06:56,405 it. That's all. 1451 01:06:56,665 --> 01:07:00,125 Any questions for Jay? Thank you Jay. 1452 01:07:00,695 --> 01:07:03,635 Thank you. I'll wait. 1453 01:07:04,367 --> 01:07:09,195 I'm back. All right. Next report is Mr. Metz personnel 1454 01:07:10,315 --> 01:07:11,315 Chairman Bazinga. 1455 01:07:11,315 --> 01:07:12,515 And I haven't seen much of each other in the 1456 01:07:12,515 --> 01:07:13,595 last couple months, but I miss you. 1457 01:07:13,995 --> 01:07:16,995 I miss you. Terrible. We, we need to get, get together 1458 01:07:17,095 --> 01:07:20,515 to do bets annual and Tammy's first review. 1459 01:07:20,705 --> 01:07:22,995 Yeah. Okay. We only, or one and only review. 1460 01:07:23,065 --> 01:07:25,315 Yeah. How about we'll get that 1461 01:07:25,315 --> 01:07:26,315 Soon. 1462 01:07:26,315 --> 01:07:29,115 How about October for those? We can do that. Okay. October. 1463 01:07:29,585 --> 01:07:32,395 October. Okay. Let's schedule it for October. 1464 01:07:34,825 --> 01:07:35,825 What else you got Rick? 1465 01:07:36,967 --> 01:07:40,755 TRC. The latest TRC came before us tonight. 1466 01:07:41,035 --> 01:07:44,675 We do have one on Friday, which is a redo of a property. 1467 01:07:44,755 --> 01:07:47,795 I believe we looked at about a year ago. Three. 1468 01:07:47,795 --> 01:07:50,795 Poor farm road. So Beth, did I send that to you? 1469 01:07:51,135 --> 01:07:52,995 You did, yep. Okay, got it on my calendar. 1470 01:07:52,995 --> 01:07:54,355 So it's eight o'clock Friday morning, 1471 01:07:54,415 --> 01:07:57,075 so I'll have information on that when we get back. 1472 01:07:59,033 --> 01:08:00,605 Alright. Cheryl, public outreach. 1473 01:08:01,905 --> 01:08:04,485 So we, we had a tent at the, 1474 01:08:05,385 --> 01:08:08,125 at the farmer's market last Wednesday. 1475 01:08:08,425 --> 01:08:10,125 And that actually went really, really well. 1476 01:08:10,145 --> 01:08:11,525 And I really wanna thank Beth. 1477 01:08:12,205 --> 01:08:13,485 I was in between Beth and Linda 1478 01:08:13,705 --> 01:08:15,205 and my son was selling bread over there, 1479 01:08:15,865 --> 01:08:17,325 so it was really a fun, fun day. 1480 01:08:17,985 --> 01:08:20,805 We, we got a good number of names to add to our email list. 1481 01:08:21,145 --> 01:08:22,725 It was probably about half a dozen, right? 1482 01:08:22,725 --> 01:08:24,645 Beth or so would you say? Yep. About half a dozen. 1483 01:08:24,745 --> 01:08:27,525 But they were genuinely in, it was a good half dozen 1484 01:08:27,835 --> 01:08:29,165 that are, that seemed gen, 1485 01:08:29,485 --> 01:08:32,565 genuinely interested in doing trail maintenance. 1486 01:08:33,525 --> 01:08:35,565 A couple of the people were new to the community 1487 01:08:36,025 --> 01:08:39,965 and they really had the, the motive of saying, I wanna get 1488 01:08:39,965 --> 01:08:42,005 to know people in the community and I care about this. 1489 01:08:42,025 --> 01:08:43,285 So those two things go together. 1490 01:08:43,825 --> 01:08:45,965 So that's kind of a nice little like hint 1491 01:08:45,965 --> 01:08:47,285 for us in the future for outreach. 1492 01:08:47,285 --> 01:08:48,565 People that are coming to the community 1493 01:08:48,565 --> 01:08:49,885 and this is an interest of theirs. 1494 01:08:50,185 --> 01:08:52,765 So you kind of have both things happening there. 1495 01:08:53,845 --> 01:08:55,805 A lot of good stories from people and, 1496 01:08:55,985 --> 01:08:59,285 and I think we were following up on, you know, expressing 1497 01:08:59,285 --> 01:09:01,045 that to them that we, we have a, 1498 01:09:01,165 --> 01:09:02,725 a trail cleanup coming in the fall. 1499 01:09:03,085 --> 01:09:04,405 Like we had, we had to cancel the one 1500 01:09:04,405 --> 01:09:05,965 because of the storm, so that was coming. 1501 01:09:06,065 --> 01:09:08,845 So, you know, I think in that way it was really successful 1502 01:09:08,845 --> 01:09:10,325 and it was a good idea to be there. 1503 01:09:10,545 --> 01:09:13,725 And yeah, looking forward to seeing maybe some 1504 01:09:13,725 --> 01:09:16,565 of those people at some events or some child cleanup. 1505 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,765 Thank you Cheryl? Eileen State Compliance. 1506 01:09:22,395 --> 01:09:24,405 Okay. I Do You rename that committee? Oh 1507 01:09:24,425 --> 01:09:25,425 Yes, we did. 1508 01:09:25,425 --> 01:09:26,965 Changed that. Is it called though 1509 01:09:28,305 --> 01:09:31,005 The Environmental Policy and Training Committee? 1510 01:09:31,235 --> 01:09:34,885 Yeah, that sounds better. Okay. I have a few things. 1511 01:09:35,265 --> 01:09:39,565 One is, I don't know if everyone saw the N-H-A-C-C 1512 01:09:39,565 --> 01:09:40,765 newsletter for this month, 1513 01:09:41,705 --> 01:09:43,965 but one of the, one of the hot topics on there was 1514 01:09:46,035 --> 01:09:48,885 what is Conservation commission's role in land management? 1515 01:09:49,065 --> 01:09:53,925 It said RSA 36 A four specifies any interest in 1516 01:09:53,955 --> 01:09:56,445 land acquired in the name of the municipality 1517 01:09:57,065 --> 01:10:00,005 by the Conservation Commission, be managed 1518 01:10:00,145 --> 01:10:02,365 and controlled end quote by the commission. 1519 01:10:03,115 --> 01:10:06,045 When a commission has responsibility for a parcel, 1520 01:10:06,845 --> 01:10:09,525 a concrete, individually designed management plan 1521 01:10:09,585 --> 01:10:13,205 or stewardship plan is recommended to ensure protection 1522 01:10:13,205 --> 01:10:14,685 of its unique natural areas. 1523 01:10:15,985 --> 01:10:18,125 The reason I mentioned that is it, it kind 1524 01:10:18,125 --> 01:10:19,525 of spurred my interest 1525 01:10:19,525 --> 01:10:21,125 because we, 1526 01:10:21,125 --> 01:10:24,845 we've started certainly on having an NRI at Broadview 1527 01:10:25,595 --> 01:10:26,685 with our BioBlitz. 1528 01:10:27,065 --> 01:10:29,325 We should do more of that for our other properties. 1529 01:10:29,425 --> 01:10:31,205 We should be engaged in trying 1530 01:10:31,205 --> 01:10:33,845 to get some natural resource inventories and some, 1531 01:10:34,945 --> 01:10:36,525 and we have for other properties. 1532 01:10:36,525 --> 01:10:38,445 We've done forestry management plans as well 1533 01:10:38,445 --> 01:10:39,685 for like the Doolittle property 1534 01:10:39,865 --> 01:10:43,725 and I think one other that we did some forestry on Yeah. 1535 01:10:43,805 --> 01:10:45,485 The one carris over the years 1536 01:10:45,545 --> 01:10:46,965 called car, but it's called something 1537 01:10:46,965 --> 01:10:47,965 Else now, I think. 1538 01:10:47,965 --> 01:10:49,325 Yeah. So we should start getting engaged in, 1539 01:10:49,345 --> 01:10:50,725 in doing some of those plans. 1540 01:10:51,065 --> 01:10:52,725 And the CW PP is a huge 1541 01:10:52,725 --> 01:10:53,725 Version of that. 1542 01:10:53,725 --> 01:10:56,165 That's also, yeah. Of that, that's also an excellent start. 1543 01:10:56,685 --> 01:11:00,885 Yep. Also very important is upcoming. 1544 01:11:01,145 --> 01:11:05,485 We have the annual meeting of the N-H-A-C-C on 1545 01:11:06,085 --> 01:11:10,405 Saturday, November 7th, 2026 at Pembroke Academy. 1546 01:11:11,305 --> 01:11:15,125 And I've mentioned this for the entire commission, 1547 01:11:15,145 --> 01:11:16,845 but especially for new commissioners, 1548 01:11:16,915 --> 01:11:17,965 it's very, very important. 1549 01:11:17,965 --> 01:11:20,685 They have special sessions just for new commissioners 1550 01:11:21,065 --> 01:11:22,925 and you really ought to step aboard and, 1551 01:11:22,985 --> 01:11:24,325 and get registered for this. 1552 01:11:25,385 --> 01:11:27,725 The town does pay for us to attend, so 1553 01:11:28,985 --> 01:11:30,525 please consider attending. 1554 01:11:30,635 --> 01:11:34,125 They're gonna be presenting 24 program sessions this year 1555 01:11:34,225 --> 01:11:35,365 on a variety of topics. 1556 01:11:35,865 --> 01:11:39,645 And the keynote speaker is Anthea LaValley 1557 01:11:39,745 --> 01:11:43,605 and Lindsey Ssta from the Hubbard Brook Ecosystem study, 1558 01:11:44,175 --> 01:11:46,885 which is an important New Hampshire initiative 1559 01:11:49,135 --> 01:11:50,265 that we can learn from. 1560 01:11:50,265 --> 01:11:52,905 What was the date of that again? Eileen? What? 1561 01:11:53,185 --> 01:11:54,305 November 7th. What was the date again? 1562 01:11:54,805 --> 01:11:56,025 The what? The date. 1563 01:11:56,365 --> 01:11:59,945 Oh, the date is Saturday November 7th, 2026. 1564 01:12:00,045 --> 01:12:02,665 It will be an all day thing from like eight o'clock 1565 01:12:02,805 --> 01:12:05,425 to about four and it we'll have lunch 1566 01:12:06,585 --> 01:12:09,465 and you'll be able to enroll in three different 1567 01:12:09,465 --> 01:12:10,985 courses during the day. 1568 01:12:11,375 --> 01:12:13,305 Okay. And they may, 1569 01:12:13,645 --> 01:12:16,185 I'm not sure this last year they included some field trips. 1570 01:12:16,385 --> 01:12:17,985 I don't know if they'll be doing that again. 1571 01:12:18,205 --> 01:12:20,545 It was pretty, you know, pretty successful last year. 1572 01:12:20,645 --> 01:12:22,945 So it may include some field trips, I'm not sure. 1573 01:12:25,805 --> 01:12:28,225 But please consider putting that in your calendar 1574 01:12:28,285 --> 01:12:29,505 and registering for that. 1575 01:12:31,615 --> 01:12:35,745 Also of note was for the DES as of July 1st, 1576 01:12:35,865 --> 01:12:40,505 wetlands permit application fees increased from $400 to $600 1577 01:12:41,165 --> 01:12:44,665 as a result of the passage of the 26 27 state budget. 1578 01:12:47,255 --> 01:12:51,065 Also, DES is launching a modern online portal 1579 01:12:51,285 --> 01:12:53,945 that's gonna eventually take the place of one stop. 1580 01:12:54,655 --> 01:12:56,905 It's gonna be called the New Hampshire and Viro 1581 01:12:57,725 --> 01:12:59,505 and it will still have one stop data 1582 01:12:59,565 --> 01:13:02,825 and information that will over time replace one stop 1583 01:13:03,765 --> 01:13:06,425 and also New Hampshire online forms websites. 1584 01:13:07,125 --> 01:13:08,385 And the first module 1585 01:13:10,335 --> 01:13:14,505 that will be in the new system will be the DSS a o OT bureau 1586 01:13:14,565 --> 01:13:17,625 of the app Alteration of terrain permits will be the first 1587 01:13:18,085 --> 01:13:19,665 to be placed into the new system. 1588 01:13:22,205 --> 01:13:23,205 And that's all I have. 1589 01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:30,305 Thank you Eileen. Property Management, 1590 01:13:31,695 --> 01:13:34,065 Beth and I continue to check boxes. 1591 01:13:36,625 --> 01:13:37,825 I have to really thank DPW 1592 01:13:38,445 --> 01:13:42,585 and kind of our, our, our renewed relationship with them. 1593 01:13:43,095 --> 01:13:45,465 They've, they've become very responsive to 1594 01:13:47,405 --> 01:13:48,465 things that we need. 1595 01:13:50,605 --> 01:13:53,305 So I'm sure Beth will cover 1596 01:13:53,305 --> 01:13:54,465 some of that stuff in her report. 1597 01:13:55,225 --> 01:13:57,825 But yeah, we we're continuing to check boxes when people 1598 01:13:58,485 --> 01:14:01,105 on our properties when, when there's things that need 1599 01:14:01,105 --> 01:14:03,785 to be done and, and a lot of the time we're getting 'em done 1600 01:14:04,845 --> 01:14:07,905 for little, little or no cost because of the DPW. 1601 01:14:08,085 --> 01:14:10,265 So that's, that's nice. 1602 01:14:10,265 --> 01:14:14,085 That's a nice change that we didn't have years ago. 1603 01:14:15,567 --> 01:14:18,165 That's all I have. And Bob, you're up with land maintenance? 1604 01:14:19,025 --> 01:14:22,765 Yep. We were rained out for all, 1605 01:14:25,265 --> 01:14:28,085 but we put one of the other days to good use, 1606 01:14:28,745 --> 01:14:30,525 sat the other night and discussed 1607 01:14:30,555 --> 01:14:33,525 what we thought should be on the kiosks. 1608 01:14:35,455 --> 01:14:37,245 First one being Cornelius in, 1609 01:14:37,265 --> 01:14:39,965 but obviously that's gonna change dramatically now. 1610 01:14:40,105 --> 01:14:43,645 So that's it. 1611 01:14:44,233 --> 01:14:48,285 Thank you Bob. Reporting compliance 1612 01:14:48,625 --> 01:14:52,525 and net zero task force of both Val who's, who's gone. 1613 01:14:53,715 --> 01:14:55,605 Catherine our newest member has agreed 1614 01:14:55,625 --> 01:14:57,165 to jump into those roles. 1615 01:14:58,315 --> 01:15:01,045 Catherine, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask actually, Beth, 1616 01:15:01,045 --> 01:15:05,125 can you ask Val if she's willing to have some communication 1617 01:15:05,125 --> 01:15:08,765 with Catherine on the, on the reporting compliance 1618 01:15:09,745 --> 01:15:11,965 and net zero task force so they can kind 1619 01:15:11,965 --> 01:15:14,165 of collaborate on that? 1620 01:15:14,275 --> 01:15:15,445 Does that sound good? Yeah. 1621 01:15:15,475 --> 01:15:17,605 That way you get it right from Val Val's a really active 1622 01:15:17,605 --> 01:15:19,365 commissioner, she'll be missed, 1623 01:15:19,425 --> 01:15:20,765 but I'm happy that she's buying a house. 1624 01:15:21,315 --> 01:15:24,205 Yeah, sound good? Yeah, so 1625 01:15:24,635 --> 01:15:27,645 I've been, I've been communicating 1626 01:15:27,645 --> 01:15:29,085 with Val about the guide book. 1627 01:15:29,185 --> 01:15:31,245 Oh Good. Awesome. And I'm willing 1628 01:15:31,245 --> 01:15:32,765 to take that on as well. Yeah, 1629 01:15:33,115 --> 01:15:34,115 Good. 1630 01:15:34,115 --> 01:15:34,885 Thank you. I appreciate it. Awesome. 1631 01:15:35,367 --> 01:15:39,645 Well And we have Mr. 1632 01:15:39,755 --> 01:15:41,445 Foot, the council liaison report. 1633 01:15:42,175 --> 01:15:45,165 Thank you Chair. I will yield. It's been a quiet summer. 1634 01:15:45,335 --> 01:15:48,005 We're getting back into business September 1st. 1635 01:15:48,233 --> 01:15:52,365 Alright, good. Good. Thank you. Land manager report. 1636 01:15:52,435 --> 01:15:55,085 Beth, you haven't done anything in the past month, right? 1637 01:15:55,485 --> 01:15:56,485 Nothing. 1638 01:15:58,515 --> 01:16:01,085 Yeah, so just some upcoming dates. 1639 01:16:01,465 --> 01:16:04,645 So the CWPP is gonna be presented 1640 01:16:05,185 --> 01:16:07,405 at a public hearing at the town council meeting 1641 01:16:07,505 --> 01:16:08,845 on September 15th. 1642 01:16:09,025 --> 01:16:11,445 So that's pretty exciting. That's been a long time coming. 1643 01:16:13,745 --> 01:16:16,365 The Parkland Medical Center reached out 1644 01:16:16,365 --> 01:16:18,965 and they have a group of volunteers who want 1645 01:16:18,965 --> 01:16:21,885 to help us poll some bittersweet at Broadview. 1646 01:16:22,585 --> 01:16:27,205 And we have a proposed dates for those of Thursday, 1647 01:16:27,805 --> 01:16:30,925 September 17th from three to 6:00 PM 1648 01:16:31,065 --> 01:16:34,565 and a rain date of the following Tuesday, September 22nd. 1649 01:16:35,505 --> 01:16:38,765 And then we also had another group, 1650 01:16:39,665 --> 01:16:42,325 Aurora Weatherby, who has been here to speak 1651 01:16:42,325 --> 01:16:43,925 before, reached out on behalf 1652 01:16:43,925 --> 01:16:45,405 of the Southern New Hampshire chapter 1653 01:16:45,425 --> 01:16:48,285 of the Democratic Socialists of America saying 1654 01:16:48,315 --> 01:16:51,045 that they have a group of people also who would like 1655 01:16:51,045 --> 01:16:53,125 to volunteer and do some trail cleanups. 1656 01:16:53,865 --> 01:16:56,685 So we are gonna have them, you know, 1657 01:16:56,685 --> 01:16:59,005 we're gonna let everybody on our email list 1658 01:16:59,105 --> 01:17:02,205 and those groups know when we have this event, now 1659 01:17:02,205 --> 01:17:05,125 that we have the date finalized of September 17th, 1660 01:17:07,025 --> 01:17:11,605 we also that that next day on Friday, 1661 01:17:12,005 --> 01:17:14,205 September 18th, Matt Tar 1662 01:17:14,235 --> 01:17:17,205 with the UNH extension is gonna lead a tour of broad view. 1663 01:17:17,545 --> 01:17:19,965 So we'll be very active on broad view that week. 1664 01:17:21,385 --> 01:17:25,485 He has been to broad view and given us some guidance before 1665 01:17:25,625 --> 01:17:29,565 and so he'll be able to, to come give a tour of the property 1666 01:17:29,865 --> 01:17:30,885 and we're still trying 1667 01:17:30,885 --> 01:17:32,605 to work out a rain date for that as well. 1668 01:17:34,585 --> 01:17:37,765 As Bob mentioned, the trail work at the ball property was 1669 01:17:37,965 --> 01:17:39,365 canceled due to thunderstorms, 1670 01:17:39,505 --> 01:17:41,245 but that was kind of a blessing 1671 01:17:41,405 --> 01:17:42,845 'cause now we're gonna figure out, you know, 1672 01:17:43,065 --> 01:17:46,325 how the trails need to, what, what those need to look like 1673 01:17:46,905 --> 01:17:48,525 in regard to these FSMA rules. 1674 01:17:51,065 --> 01:17:53,685 And then I wanted to mention to commissioners 1675 01:17:53,705 --> 01:17:57,045 who had some concerns about the DES notifications 1676 01:17:57,945 --> 01:18:01,445 and not seeing them very often between, you know, 1677 01:18:01,445 --> 01:18:02,925 meetings since we're going long. 1678 01:18:03,185 --> 01:18:06,285 So I did reach out to DES 1679 01:18:06,305 --> 01:18:09,325 and they said that the 20 days mentioned in the notices is 1680 01:18:09,485 --> 01:18:12,005 intended for the recipient, not for commissioners. 1681 01:18:12,225 --> 01:18:15,045 So you commissioners have as long as you need. 1682 01:18:15,045 --> 01:18:18,645 There's no, she said there's no time limit for commissioners 1683 01:18:18,905 --> 01:18:20,125 to give comment on those. 1684 01:18:21,265 --> 01:18:25,605 And that also, if you want to view 1685 01:18:26,185 --> 01:18:29,325 any of those, you know, the notice notifications 1686 01:18:30,665 --> 01:18:32,325 as Eileen mentioned, I didn't realize 1687 01:18:32,325 --> 01:18:33,765 that one stop was being replaced, 1688 01:18:33,905 --> 01:18:38,165 but I can, I can send you the link for, it's just ds nh.gov 1689 01:18:38,165 --> 01:18:40,005 and then one stop navigation 1690 01:18:41,065 --> 01:18:43,365 and there's a PDF there that'll show you how 1691 01:18:43,365 --> 01:18:44,405 to find what you're looking for. 1692 01:18:44,465 --> 01:18:46,365 So if you're ever looking for those notifications. 1693 01:18:49,665 --> 01:18:52,445 And then as Rick mentioned, there was a tree 1694 01:18:52,445 --> 01:18:54,405 that was blocking the trail at Broadview 1695 01:18:55,035 --> 01:18:57,125 that was taken care of by DPW. 1696 01:18:57,385 --> 01:19:00,925 And I followed up with Clint Havens about that 1697 01:19:01,025 --> 01:19:02,725 and he said that they were able to use it 1698 01:19:02,725 --> 01:19:06,405 as a training opportunity for some newer employees 1699 01:19:06,505 --> 01:19:08,965 who don't have as much experience with a chainsaw. 1700 01:19:09,485 --> 01:19:10,725 So that was a great win-win. 1701 01:19:12,625 --> 01:19:15,005 And that, and he, I just spoke with him today about, 1702 01:19:15,145 --> 01:19:17,965 he was asking no, didn't you have some work that we needed 1703 01:19:17,965 --> 01:19:19,285 to do at the ball property? 1704 01:19:19,425 --> 01:19:22,565 So they're waiting in the wings ready to help us. Okay. 1705 01:19:25,305 --> 01:19:27,685 And, okay, so we had a request from 1706 01:19:28,225 --> 01:19:32,125 the main botanical gardens to collect seed 1707 01:19:32,265 --> 01:19:35,045 of four leaves milkweed at one 1708 01:19:35,185 --> 01:19:37,165 of our conservation properties. 1709 01:19:37,405 --> 01:19:40,765 I will not name the conservation property in public just 1710 01:19:40,765 --> 01:19:43,445 because this is like a rare and endangered species. 1711 01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:47,085 So we want to kind of protect it 1712 01:19:48,385 --> 01:19:50,965 and we'll actually I'll be having a conversation 1713 01:19:51,115 --> 01:19:54,165 with the women who are in charge of that project 1714 01:19:56,185 --> 01:19:58,765 to work out 1715 01:19:58,785 --> 01:20:01,445 how we can share about this on our social media 1716 01:20:01,705 --> 01:20:03,885 and actually publicize this great thing 1717 01:20:04,395 --> 01:20:08,325 without compromising the safety of the, of the plant there 1718 01:20:10,195 --> 01:20:11,125 Beth? There's more to that. 1719 01:20:11,375 --> 01:20:14,765 There is, yes. They're gonna tell about how they, 1720 01:20:14,765 --> 01:20:16,805 they put it in the seed bank and all that stuff. Yeah, 1721 01:20:16,805 --> 01:20:17,805 I think that's kind of cool. 1722 01:20:17,805 --> 01:20:22,165 So I have a letter here from them, which is, 1723 01:20:23,565 --> 01:20:25,685 I, I can read the whole thing. 1724 01:20:25,965 --> 01:20:27,565 I suppose I would probably be 1725 01:20:27,565 --> 01:20:28,565 No who part was that? 1726 01:20:28,565 --> 01:20:29,685 They're gonna, they, they catalog it 1727 01:20:29,685 --> 01:20:31,885 and they put it in like the National Seed Bank and 1728 01:20:31,885 --> 01:20:32,885 Yeah. 1729 01:20:32,885 --> 01:20:34,285 And stuff like that. So if it says if permission were 1730 01:20:34,285 --> 01:20:36,845 granted, seed would be grown in our propagation facility 1731 01:20:36,945 --> 01:20:38,885 and plants would be added to our sleepiest 1732 01:20:38,885 --> 01:20:40,205 conservation collection. 1733 01:20:40,545 --> 01:20:42,285 The living collection will conserve 1734 01:20:42,305 --> 01:20:45,125 and showcase salu of the diversity of milkweeds. 1735 01:20:46,065 --> 01:20:48,885 And so, and it will serve as an 1736 01:20:49,985 --> 01:20:51,525 XC two conservation planting. 1737 01:20:51,625 --> 01:20:54,725 So that's like when they take it away from the place 1738 01:20:54,725 --> 01:20:55,805 where it's naturally growing 1739 01:20:55,825 --> 01:20:58,605 and just kind of like conserve it in, you know, 1740 01:20:58,605 --> 01:21:00,445 in like a botanical garden the way they're doing. 1741 01:21:02,715 --> 01:21:05,845 Yeah. So they're gonna collect seed and, and propagate it 1742 01:21:05,845 --> 01:21:07,325 and help further the species 1743 01:21:07,745 --> 01:21:10,205 And then the supply us with the report of it, of, 1744 01:21:10,265 --> 01:21:11,725 of the process and stuff like that. 1745 01:21:11,725 --> 01:21:13,285 Right. Is that at the end of the letter? 1746 01:21:14,195 --> 01:21:18,285 That is, yes. 1747 01:21:18,345 --> 01:21:20,845 We would be sure to follow up with an annual report 1748 01:21:21,065 --> 01:21:23,165 to document what plant material was collected 1749 01:21:23,165 --> 01:21:25,045 and any additional information you would like. 1750 01:21:25,105 --> 01:21:26,645 So that's that part of that. 1751 01:21:26,665 --> 01:21:29,525 Any additional information you would like is part of 1752 01:21:29,525 --> 01:21:32,325 what we'll be discussing this coming Thursday. 1753 01:21:32,635 --> 01:21:35,325 Yeah, and that'll, we can, well that that'll, we will put 1754 01:21:35,325 --> 01:21:36,965 that information in with that property. 1755 01:21:37,625 --> 01:21:38,725 So we'll have it kind 1756 01:21:38,725 --> 01:21:41,205 of in perpetuity, which is kind of cool. I like that. 1757 01:21:41,465 --> 01:21:44,485 Yep. Okay, 1758 01:21:44,585 --> 01:21:48,125 so we have a request from a resident who wants 1759 01:21:48,125 --> 01:21:50,245 to do a metal detecting at Broadview 1760 01:21:50,865 --> 01:21:54,485 and reached out to Counselor Foot who reached out to 1761 01:21:55,165 --> 01:21:58,725 Mike Fowler to ask, you know, 1762 01:21:58,875 --> 01:22:00,805 what are there rules around this? 1763 01:22:00,985 --> 01:22:04,725 And, and do, can we make some rules around this? 1764 01:22:04,865 --> 01:22:07,605 So per the town administrator, 1765 01:22:07,945 --> 01:22:10,245 the town does not have a formal policy on metal 1766 01:22:10,245 --> 01:22:11,765 detecting on town property. 1767 01:22:12,345 --> 01:22:16,605 And DCC has every right to create a policy 1768 01:22:17,455 --> 01:22:19,445 about that if they would like to. 1769 01:22:20,755 --> 01:22:23,015 So my concern about this is when, when it came in, 1770 01:22:23,055 --> 01:22:25,175 I originally thought that this is just a person 1771 01:22:25,235 --> 01:22:26,975 that's gonna do some metal detecting. 1772 01:22:26,995 --> 01:22:28,215 We wanna make sure he is not going to 1773 01:22:29,475 --> 01:22:31,295 dig a big hole and return. 1774 01:22:32,075 --> 01:22:33,695 One of the things that I thought of was first 1775 01:22:33,795 --> 01:22:37,255 as we find something of, of value, either historic 1776 01:22:38,035 --> 01:22:39,935 or monetary, who does it belong to? 1777 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:44,335 And then as I thought more about it, 1778 01:22:44,335 --> 01:22:46,975 there's probably some eyes on this. 1779 01:22:47,075 --> 01:22:50,735 So when we, when we tell this this person what he can 1780 01:22:50,735 --> 01:22:54,055 and can't do at our properties, I'm guessing he belongs 1781 01:22:54,055 --> 01:22:57,575 to some association of other people that do metal detecting 1782 01:22:57,575 --> 01:22:59,015 and that information will get shared. 1783 01:22:59,115 --> 01:23:01,575 And so as a catalyst, 1784 01:23:01,695 --> 01:23:03,375 I think we should probably develop a policy 1785 01:23:04,195 --> 01:23:06,805 and I thought that Bob probably knows, knows 1786 01:23:06,805 --> 01:23:08,565 that maybe the state already has a policy 1787 01:23:08,665 --> 01:23:10,965 or something like that on metal detecting on state lands. 1788 01:23:11,665 --> 01:23:14,445 So I asked Beth to reach out to Bob 1789 01:23:14,985 --> 01:23:18,845 and we should adopt, you know, this is an opportunity for us 1790 01:23:18,845 --> 01:23:20,885 to adopt some regulations around this. 1791 01:23:21,045 --> 01:23:23,325 I think metal detecting is becoming more and more popular. 1792 01:23:24,445 --> 01:23:26,925 We don't want people digging giant holes on our properties. 1793 01:23:27,105 --> 01:23:32,085 So we, and there's a, what's it called? 1794 01:23:32,385 --> 01:23:35,285 The custody rule of, of what's found on the property? 1795 01:23:35,345 --> 01:23:38,205 Oh yeah, there's, you know, there's probably some sort of, 1796 01:23:38,205 --> 01:23:39,805 there's, there's gotta be some language. 1797 01:23:39,805 --> 01:23:41,205 So I'm not, I don't want 1798 01:23:41,205 --> 01:23:42,765 to get into it tonight at this meeting, 1799 01:23:42,905 --> 01:23:45,125 but I've asked Beth to talk to you 1800 01:23:45,265 --> 01:23:46,805 and find out what the state Yeah. 1801 01:23:46,805 --> 01:23:48,565 What the state's doing. And then we will bring 1802 01:23:48,565 --> 01:23:49,645 that up at the next meeting. 1803 01:23:50,965 --> 01:23:54,045 I think to reply to this gentleman, Beth, 1804 01:23:54,095 --> 01:23:56,325 maybe we can say we're, we're in the process 1805 01:23:56,345 --> 01:23:58,365 of adopting some rules on what's allowed 1806 01:23:58,385 --> 01:24:01,445 and as soon as we've adopted those rules, we will give them 1807 01:24:01,445 --> 01:24:04,365 to you and, and something like that. 1808 01:24:04,855 --> 01:24:05,855 Sound good? Yeah. 1809 01:24:07,355 --> 01:24:08,725 Okay. Okay. 1810 01:24:09,225 --> 01:24:13,765 Thanks. And then, let's see, we do have, so 1811 01:24:14,405 --> 01:24:18,525 I met with the stakeholders involved in the Ashley Drive 1812 01:24:19,325 --> 01:24:21,965 easement and we discussed 1813 01:24:22,145 --> 01:24:26,125 and agreed upon some language for the 1814 01:24:27,605 --> 01:24:29,765 conservation easement that, which 1815 01:24:30,515 --> 01:24:32,925 does not have public access, if you remember there. 1816 01:24:33,785 --> 01:24:36,285 Or it has public access with permission 1817 01:24:36,585 --> 01:24:38,525 of the conservation commission only. 1818 01:24:38,585 --> 01:24:39,965 So there's that provision in there, 1819 01:24:41,185 --> 01:24:45,245 but we wanted to make sure that it was clearly posted so 1820 01:24:45,245 --> 01:24:47,205 that people know, you know, what they are 1821 01:24:47,205 --> 01:24:48,205 and are not allowed to do. 1822 01:24:48,265 --> 01:24:51,845 So the language for the sign that we came up with 1823 01:24:51,845 --> 01:24:56,645 that you can all, you know, discuss is 1824 01:24:57,845 --> 01:24:59,485 restricted conservation area 1825 01:25:00,265 --> 01:25:04,765 and then a new line, no public access, new line contact, 1826 01:25:05,095 --> 01:25:07,685 dairy conservation commission, new line 1827 01:25:07,785 --> 01:25:09,125 and then the town phone number. 1828 01:25:10,675 --> 01:25:12,975 So I didn't love that, that sign that they came up with. 1829 01:25:13,995 --> 01:25:17,575 So I had a suggestion that I'd like to share with you guys. 1830 01:25:18,675 --> 01:25:22,735 So where it says no public access, I wanted it to change it 1831 01:25:22,755 --> 01:25:26,775 to no public access 1832 01:25:26,775 --> 01:25:27,975 without authorization. 1833 01:25:28,155 --> 01:25:31,375 And then under that, every conservation commission and the, 1834 01:25:31,375 --> 01:25:34,055 and the number, how does that sound to people? 1835 01:25:35,165 --> 01:25:38,335 Yeah, so so the way it would work is we would vote on 1836 01:25:38,335 --> 01:25:41,255 that tonight, send it back to the stakeholders 1837 01:25:42,035 --> 01:25:44,055 and they're either gonna accept it or not accept it. 1838 01:25:44,615 --> 01:25:45,615 I think they probably will. 1839 01:25:47,215 --> 01:25:48,815 I thought they didn't want public access. 1840 01:25:48,835 --> 01:25:50,095 That's what I, that's 1841 01:25:50,095 --> 01:25:51,975 what I away from that meeting we had with 1842 01:25:52,135 --> 01:25:53,135 Them. 1843 01:25:53,135 --> 01:25:54,615 Yeah, they don't But we got a carve out. 1844 01:25:55,515 --> 01:25:57,495 Did we? We Did. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 1845 01:25:57,495 --> 01:26:00,055 We got a carve out that with authorization 1846 01:26:01,325 --> 01:26:02,455 that we would have access. 1847 01:26:03,635 --> 01:26:04,765 Yeah. You remember that? 1848 01:26:04,765 --> 01:26:06,165 That was kinda late in the game. I, 1849 01:26:06,275 --> 01:26:07,965 Yeah, I didn't, I didn't remember that. It 1850 01:26:07,965 --> 01:26:08,965 Was the last one call. 1851 01:26:08,965 --> 01:26:10,365 Yeah, it was the last thing and it was, it was sticky. 1852 01:26:10,365 --> 01:26:11,765 They didn't want to grant it, but I think 1853 01:26:12,345 --> 01:26:15,085 but I, I, I think we, we wanted it so we got it. 1854 01:26:15,105 --> 01:26:16,125 We did. Yeah. 1855 01:26:16,145 --> 01:26:19,125 So I think we should, it's still gonna say no public assets 1856 01:26:19,275 --> 01:26:20,525 without authorization. 1857 01:26:20,665 --> 01:26:22,325 So people walk up to the sign, 1858 01:26:22,355 --> 01:26:25,285 they know they can't just walk in without calling first and, 1859 01:26:25,665 --> 01:26:28,085 and we did reserve it more 1860 01:26:28,105 --> 01:26:29,805 for like educational purposes Yes. 1861 01:26:29,805 --> 01:26:32,685 And stuff like that. Okay. So no one's gonna research, 1862 01:26:32,825 --> 01:26:34,725 no one's gonna be playing paintball back there, but, 1863 01:26:35,545 --> 01:26:37,685 But it doesn't preclude that possibility. 1864 01:26:37,905 --> 01:26:40,445 If that comes up. It doesn't, that leaves that open. But 1865 01:26:40,445 --> 01:26:41,445 We have to authorize it. 1866 01:26:41,665 --> 01:26:44,605 But it will, it will allow perhaps more 1867 01:26:44,665 --> 01:26:48,205 If we want to authorize It public access than just fish 1868 01:26:48,205 --> 01:26:52,525 and game and the DES which were the only other 1869 01:26:53,165 --> 01:26:54,325 entities that were allowed on 1870 01:26:54,505 --> 01:26:55,505 The property. 1871 01:26:55,505 --> 01:26:58,685 So this is what I envision, I envision UNH comes to us 1872 01:26:58,905 --> 01:27:01,765 and says, hey, we want to do a wildlife study on 1873 01:27:01,765 --> 01:27:04,325 that conservation property in the present 1874 01:27:04,395 --> 01:27:06,685 form. It would be excluded. 1875 01:27:06,895 --> 01:27:08,165 Right, exactly. And 1876 01:27:08,305 --> 01:27:09,485 That's what I was kind of against. 1877 01:27:09,535 --> 01:27:11,885 Right? Right. Yes. It was so restrictive. Exactly. 1878 01:27:12,185 --> 01:27:14,805 And the way that we, we got it set up, we can then 1879 01:27:15,875 --> 01:27:18,245 authorize that and that happens. 1880 01:27:18,305 --> 01:27:19,525 We do the fur bearing studies. 1881 01:27:19,585 --> 01:27:20,725 We do, we do studies like that. 1882 01:27:20,725 --> 01:27:23,285 Yeah. The photography with the cameras. Yep. 1883 01:27:23,285 --> 01:27:26,845 Right. So I, I'd like to have a vote tonight that we 1884 01:27:27,875 --> 01:27:32,285 send back their recommendation with our added language 1885 01:27:32,505 --> 01:27:34,845 of quotes with our authorization 1886 01:27:36,225 --> 01:27:38,445 and see how that flies with the other stakeholders. 1887 01:27:38,825 --> 01:27:40,885 So I'll take a motion on that if everyone likes that. 1888 01:27:41,195 --> 01:27:42,195 Like to hear that motion 1889 01:27:43,155 --> 01:27:46,365 Move to approve the signage changes for Ashley Drive. 1890 01:27:47,145 --> 01:27:49,205 Second. Alright, so we have a first 1891 01:27:49,205 --> 01:27:51,365 and a second to add without authorization. 1892 01:27:54,945 --> 01:27:56,685 All those in favor say aye. Aye. 1893 01:27:56,825 --> 01:28:00,365 Aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. So motion carries. 1894 01:28:00,365 --> 01:28:02,725 So Beth, you can communicate that back to the stakeholders. 1895 01:28:03,235 --> 01:28:04,235 Okay. Thank you. 1896 01:28:06,165 --> 01:28:08,605 Alright, so the land 1897 01:28:08,605 --> 01:28:11,045 and water conservation fund 1898 01:28:11,945 --> 01:28:14,925 did a visit at the four properties 1899 01:28:14,995 --> 01:28:17,805 that they hold an interest in in dairy. 1900 01:28:17,945 --> 01:28:20,325 So that is Coal Marsh, Cornelius 1901 01:28:20,325 --> 01:28:22,405 and Weber Forest and Doolittle. 1902 01:28:23,825 --> 01:28:27,045 And they said generally we're doing a great job. 1903 01:28:27,945 --> 01:28:30,085 So that was good. And there were just a couple 1904 01:28:30,085 --> 01:28:34,765 of things like some potential yard waste at Doolittle 1905 01:28:36,065 --> 01:28:39,205 and the trail goes through like the Abutters property 1906 01:28:39,865 --> 01:28:42,205 at Doolittle rather than like straight down 1907 01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:45,605 on just the, the town property. 1908 01:28:45,945 --> 01:28:47,525 So that's something that we'll have to address. 1909 01:28:48,265 --> 01:28:50,645 And there was some evidence 1910 01:28:50,785 --> 01:28:53,165 of recent a TV use at Weber Forest 1911 01:28:54,825 --> 01:28:57,765 and then the posted signs that were at Cornelius 1912 01:28:57,785 --> 01:28:59,925 and which have been taken down. 1913 01:29:00,865 --> 01:29:02,365 But that was also an issue. 1914 01:29:02,425 --> 01:29:05,285 But, but all in all, 1915 01:29:06,355 --> 01:29:07,685 good job from them. 1916 01:29:10,345 --> 01:29:15,325 And let's see, the Cub Scouts 1917 01:29:15,825 --> 01:29:18,325 who had reached out about using the campsite at Broadview, 1918 01:29:18,325 --> 01:29:19,885 they did a cleanup there. 1919 01:29:20,725 --> 01:29:24,245 They cleaned out some of the like metal 1920 01:29:24,305 --> 01:29:25,565 and things from the flags 1921 01:29:25,565 --> 01:29:27,685 that was in the fire pit from when they 1922 01:29:27,685 --> 01:29:28,725 burned the flags there. 1923 01:29:28,985 --> 01:29:30,285 Oh, nice. Yeah. 1924 01:29:31,785 --> 01:29:34,085 And I did reach out to, so parks 1925 01:29:34,085 --> 01:29:38,245 and Rec has discontinued mowing the center path at view 1926 01:29:38,375 --> 01:29:41,045 based on your vote at the last meeting. 1927 01:29:42,145 --> 01:29:45,925 And we have 1928 01:29:47,875 --> 01:29:50,535 one vote and then potentially a discussion. 1929 01:29:51,195 --> 01:29:53,975 So the covenant at broad view, I had emailed that 1930 01:29:53,975 --> 01:29:57,455 to everybody and if you had a chance to review it, 1931 01:29:57,595 --> 01:30:00,095 I'm not sure if tonight is the right night to discuss that, 1932 01:30:00,155 --> 01:30:02,655 but that's just still on our docket as far 1933 01:30:02,655 --> 01:30:04,735 as discussing the Broadview covenant. 1934 01:30:08,015 --> 01:30:12,355 And then you all need to vote to accept a check from 1935 01:30:12,935 --> 01:30:15,635 the N-H-A-C-C, which was reimbursement 1936 01:30:15,735 --> 01:30:18,115 for some expenses at the BioBlitz. 1937 01:30:20,335 --> 01:30:21,595 We got We have that on. 1938 01:30:21,645 --> 01:30:23,075 We're gonna put that up on other business. 1939 01:30:23,495 --> 01:30:24,795 Oh, okay. Once you're done. Yeah. 1940 01:30:24,825 --> 01:30:27,275 Okay, great. I'm done. That was my, that was my last 1941 01:30:27,295 --> 01:30:28,295 Two things. 1942 01:30:28,735 --> 01:30:30,355 Do you think we're ready to adopt that easement? 1943 01:30:30,875 --> 01:30:34,185 Everyone Everyone get a chance to read the easement? Yes. 1944 01:30:35,445 --> 01:30:38,705 We have enough people to, is everyone that did read it? 1945 01:30:38,705 --> 01:30:41,585 Did they like it? Not enough. 1946 01:30:42,425 --> 01:30:44,085 You want to, you wanna have a homework assignment 1947 01:30:44,085 --> 01:30:45,285 and we'll bring it up at the next meeting? 1948 01:30:45,355 --> 01:30:46,925 Yeah, I think so. Alright. Homework assignment. 1949 01:30:46,955 --> 01:30:47,885 Read the easement. We're 1950 01:30:47,885 --> 01:30:48,765 gonna bring it up at the next meeting. 1951 01:30:52,175 --> 01:30:53,205 Thank you Beth 1952 01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,485 for the land manager report administrative business. 1953 01:30:55,545 --> 01:30:58,125 We have a vacancy as for a full member. 1954 01:30:58,225 --> 01:31:01,245 And Linda has shown interest to become, 1955 01:31:01,785 --> 01:31:03,965 to go from being an alternate to being a full member. 1956 01:31:05,065 --> 01:31:09,045 So Mr. Foote, can you bring that forward at the council? 1957 01:31:09,065 --> 01:31:10,845 How do, how do, what do you need from us in order to 1958 01:31:11,395 --> 01:31:14,525 move Linda from being an alternate to being a full, 1959 01:31:14,665 --> 01:31:16,605 She has to put an application in with Sheila. 1960 01:31:16,915 --> 01:31:17,965 Okay. And then it'll come 1961 01:31:17,965 --> 01:31:19,085 before our next council meeting, 1962 01:31:19,095 --> 01:31:21,965 which if you get it in this week, it'll be September 1st. 1963 01:31:22,275 --> 01:31:24,165 Okay. And then we can vote on it then. 1964 01:31:24,195 --> 01:31:25,845 Alright. So Linda, you can do that right online? 1965 01:31:25,845 --> 01:31:27,525 Yeah, yeah. Just do it online and then Yeah. 1966 01:31:28,025 --> 01:31:31,965 You know that we are, we're on board with that, so. Yep. 1967 01:31:32,145 --> 01:31:33,525 Sheila will ask me anyways, but 1968 01:31:33,555 --> 01:31:36,125 Yeah, so yeah, she'll reach out to you for Right. Your, 1969 01:31:36,915 --> 01:31:37,915 Okay. 1970 01:31:37,915 --> 01:31:39,085 So do you know how to, you know what to do with that? 1971 01:31:39,145 --> 01:31:41,245 Yes, I do. Okay. And that opens up a seat 1972 01:31:41,745 --> 01:31:43,325 for an alternate for us again. 1973 01:31:43,325 --> 01:31:44,365 So we have a vacancy. 1974 01:31:44,785 --> 01:31:48,205 So any commissioner here that has someone that thinks 1975 01:31:48,715 --> 01:31:50,925 they would be a good fit in our commission, 1976 01:31:51,265 --> 01:31:52,845 please let them know that we have a seat open, 1977 01:31:52,855 --> 01:31:55,965 which is a cherished seat in this, in this town. 1978 01:31:56,065 --> 01:31:59,005 We, we actually already had someone reach out, out asking 1979 01:31:59,705 --> 01:32:01,365 if she could apply to be, 1980 01:32:01,425 --> 01:32:03,525 and I said I had to say, you know, that we were full. 1981 01:32:03,625 --> 01:32:04,885 So you want read back? 1982 01:32:04,965 --> 01:32:06,125 I did plan on reaching back out to her. 1983 01:32:06,125 --> 01:32:07,085 Yeah. So we'll reach out. We have, 1984 01:32:07,185 --> 01:32:08,365 we have a wait list. I was just 1985 01:32:08,365 --> 01:32:11,525 Say this is actually, This is one of the better well 1986 01:32:11,615 --> 01:32:12,615 Times for this committee. 1987 01:32:12,835 --> 01:32:14,805 Yeah. Being full and, and people Yeah. 1988 01:32:14,805 --> 01:32:15,885 We had, we had get chairs 1989 01:32:16,545 --> 01:32:17,685 be that I had to get chairs early. 1990 01:32:17,805 --> 01:32:20,165 I don't ever remember having to get chairs. Yeah. 1991 01:32:20,665 --> 01:32:23,565 So we'll, we'll go to our wait list, Charlie. 1992 01:32:23,865 --> 01:32:26,605 And that's 'cause we're busy, right? We are busy. 1993 01:32:26,755 --> 01:32:30,405 Good stuff. Okay, so we're gonna move Linda up. 1994 01:32:30,433 --> 01:32:35,165 We have a vacancy. Next meeting is September 21st 1995 01:32:35,235 --> 01:32:38,285 because the regular Monday is Labor Day. 1996 01:32:38,285 --> 01:32:39,485 So we're not meeting on Labor Day. 1997 01:32:41,233 --> 01:32:45,165 We have proposed meetings on 10/5 and 10/19. 1998 01:32:45,475 --> 01:32:48,845 Neither of those conflict with what's, what's our, 1999 01:32:48,845 --> 01:32:50,645 what's the, what's the October holiday? 2000 01:32:51,725 --> 01:32:52,965 Columbus. Columbus Day on the next 2001 01:32:52,965 --> 01:32:53,965 Week. 2002 01:32:53,965 --> 01:32:55,445 12th. 11th. 12th 2003 01:32:56,125 --> 01:32:57,125 Specific. 2004 01:32:57,125 --> 01:33:01,005 So we're okay with those two? Yes. 2005 01:33:01,385 --> 01:33:03,325 Yep. Okay. All right. So everybody get those on their 2006 01:33:03,525 --> 01:33:05,085 calendar 'cause we're gonna start getting busy again. 2007 01:33:06,965 --> 01:33:08,645 Columbus day is the 12th. Monday the 12th. Okay, 2008 01:33:08,645 --> 01:33:09,645 Good. 2009 01:33:09,645 --> 01:33:10,125 So we have one, but before and 2010 01:33:10,125 --> 01:33:14,485 after I didn't report 2011 01:33:14,505 --> 01:33:15,605 out on land acquisition. 2012 01:33:15,825 --> 01:33:18,525 We, we are gonna have a non non-public. 2013 01:33:18,545 --> 01:33:20,165 But the one thing that we are working on, 2014 01:33:20,165 --> 01:33:22,605 on land acquisition is Beth 2015 01:33:22,605 --> 01:33:26,285 and I have a first draft on a letter 2016 01:33:26,285 --> 01:33:30,245 that we're gonna be sending to landowners 2017 01:33:30,775 --> 01:33:32,005 soliciting property. 2018 01:33:32,665 --> 01:33:34,765 So that's gonna be kind of our winter project. 2019 01:33:36,655 --> 01:33:39,085 We're gonna be sending solicitation letters to 2020 01:33:40,285 --> 01:33:45,165 larger apostles in town explaining the benefits 2021 01:33:45,225 --> 01:33:46,485 of land conservation. 2022 01:33:46,545 --> 01:33:49,205 And we have a, a first draft on that now. 2023 01:33:49,455 --> 01:33:51,285 We'll, we'll keep tweaking that 2024 01:33:51,285 --> 01:33:54,445 and then we'll bring it to the commission for approval 2025 01:33:54,465 --> 01:33:55,605 before we start using it. 2026 01:33:58,634 --> 01:34:00,985 Next other business we have Mr. Metz 2027 01:34:02,335 --> 01:34:06,025 Move to move to accept a check in the amount of $260 2028 01:34:06,045 --> 01:34:09,785 and 85 cents from the New Hampshire Association 2029 01:34:09,785 --> 01:34:12,905 of Conservation Commissions as reimbursement 2030 01:34:13,085 --> 01:34:14,865 for the BioBlitz day. 2031 01:34:15,365 --> 01:34:18,305 Is there a second? Second. Second. 2032 01:34:18,805 --> 01:34:22,865 Second. By Jay Ann. Cheryl. All those in favor say aye. 2033 01:34:23,165 --> 01:34:26,945 Aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. Motion carries. 2034 01:34:27,215 --> 01:34:31,985 That goes to Eileen. Yep. Coming way Eileen. Yep. 2035 01:34:32,485 --> 01:34:35,025 We like checks, we like bigger 2036 01:34:35,025 --> 01:34:36,785 Checks, but that one will, That will too. 2037 01:34:38,125 --> 01:34:40,345 Any other business from the commissioners? 2038 01:34:40,965 --> 01:34:42,625 Anyone need to talk about is the foot, 2039 01:34:43,465 --> 01:34:45,705 Sorry, I just wanna backtrack on the open position. 2040 01:34:46,525 --> 01:34:51,305 So for housekeeping issues, so Val would have 2041 01:34:51,305 --> 01:34:53,425 to put a letter of resignation in that would've 2042 01:34:53,425 --> 01:34:55,465 to be forwarded then that goes in the consent 2043 01:34:55,465 --> 01:34:56,745 with the counsel at the meeting. 2044 01:34:57,035 --> 01:34:58,485 We'd have to accept the resignation 2045 01:34:58,745 --> 01:35:01,325 before that position would then become she didn't 2046 01:35:01,585 --> 01:35:03,405 She not cc you on that? I told her to. 2047 01:35:03,885 --> 01:35:05,285 I didn't have it. No. Okay. 2048 01:35:05,285 --> 01:35:07,245 I'll send she her to CC you on 2049 01:35:07,245 --> 01:35:08,245 That one. 2050 01:35:08,245 --> 01:35:08,565 Yeah. Then I'll have to go to she. 2051 01:35:08,665 --> 01:35:11,085 So send it to me and Sheila. Sheila. 2052 01:35:11,085 --> 01:35:12,085 And so I'll forward it. I'll, 2053 01:35:12,105 --> 01:35:13,485 she sent it to me. I'll forward it to you. Yep. 2054 01:35:13,485 --> 01:35:15,485 And then it'll go on the consents agenda. 2055 01:35:16,025 --> 01:35:18,845 The council will vote to accept the resignation 2056 01:35:18,905 --> 01:35:20,125 and then that will create the opening. 2057 01:35:20,515 --> 01:35:22,085 Okay. Good. So just an FYI. So, 2058 01:35:22,145 --> 01:35:24,645 So while, while we're doing that, you can do RN 2059 01:35:24,645 --> 01:35:26,285 and then it'll all work out. 2060 01:35:26,285 --> 01:35:28,845 Yeah. Any other, other business? 2061 01:35:29,505 --> 01:35:30,725 Yes, ahead Jay. Hi. 2062 01:35:30,725 --> 01:35:34,725 First, first of all, now that the broad Broadview annex 2063 01:35:35,385 --> 01:35:37,125 has a subcommittee, I'm requesting 2064 01:35:37,125 --> 01:35:40,285 that we actually put it under the Yes. 2065 01:35:40,285 --> 01:35:42,125 Committee and liaison reports 2066 01:35:42,665 --> 01:35:45,885 and the agenda as I usually have been coming in under 2067 01:35:45,895 --> 01:35:47,005 other business, but 2068 01:35:47,235 --> 01:35:48,235 Okay. 2069 01:35:48,235 --> 01:35:48,845 Think of could We do that? 2070 01:35:49,385 --> 01:35:50,645 Yes. I have several changes 2071 01:35:50,825 --> 01:35:52,925 to the agenda subcommittee lines that 2072 01:35:53,465 --> 01:35:54,325 Be thinking it'll make things run 2073 01:35:54,525 --> 01:35:55,605 smoother, including that. 2074 01:35:55,725 --> 01:35:59,245 I just wanted to talk about the recent 2075 01:36:00,615 --> 01:36:03,365 plans for the Broadview annex. 2076 01:36:03,835 --> 01:36:08,485 That is to mo I came to Beth last week saying we need 2077 01:36:08,485 --> 01:36:12,685 to really do the be late 2078 01:36:13,265 --> 01:36:17,525 summer fall mowing that is allowed by the 2079 01:36:18,445 --> 01:36:19,845 RSA 4 82 A 2080 01:36:20,065 --> 01:36:23,925 and E-M-V-W-T 100 900 rules, 2081 01:36:25,655 --> 01:36:29,045 which it does allow for mowing doing dry conditions. 2082 01:36:30,415 --> 01:36:32,245 Right now. It's since June. 2083 01:36:32,785 --> 01:36:35,125 The land is totally inaccessible. 2084 01:36:35,135 --> 01:36:36,285 You'd need a machete 2085 01:36:36,305 --> 01:36:39,085 and you know, who knows 2086 01:36:39,085 --> 01:36:40,965 how many elephants are in the grass there. 2087 01:36:40,965 --> 01:36:42,245 They're so long. 2088 01:36:42,745 --> 01:36:44,965 But, so we haven't been out there to observe. 2089 01:36:45,665 --> 01:36:49,925 So I had, what Beth 2090 01:36:49,925 --> 01:36:53,965 and I agreed to is I proposed on the map of the, 2091 01:36:54,465 --> 01:36:59,405 the pro the property two paths 2092 01:37:00,285 --> 01:37:04,205 converged from the access off of Young Road. 2093 01:37:05,065 --> 01:37:08,885 And that since Matt Tar from UNH is coming out in late 2094 01:37:09,125 --> 01:37:11,845 September that he would be able 2095 01:37:11,845 --> 01:37:14,165 to take a look at at this map 2096 01:37:14,305 --> 01:37:16,165 and just get his input on that. 2097 01:37:17,155 --> 01:37:18,445 It's all good with the timing 2098 01:37:18,545 --> 01:37:20,965 of when we wanna mow Anyhow. So 2099 01:37:20,965 --> 01:37:22,605 Before we mow, we want, we wanna talk to Matt 2100 01:37:22,605 --> 01:37:23,965 before we mow, is that what you're saying? 2101 01:37:23,965 --> 01:37:25,285 Yeah. Okay. Just a good, good idea. 2102 01:37:25,785 --> 01:37:29,245 And then I just wanted to point out that, you know, we, 2103 01:37:29,875 --> 01:37:31,205 when I started this project, 2104 01:37:31,385 --> 01:37:32,565 and now we're a subcommittee, 2105 01:37:32,715 --> 01:37:35,085 I've already been doing a management plan 2106 01:37:35,185 --> 01:37:38,165 as Eileen had mentioned, something we should all be doing. 2107 01:37:40,145 --> 01:37:42,205 So it's, it was a good idea. 2108 01:37:42,705 --> 01:37:45,245 All my thoughts needed to go someplace 2109 01:37:45,545 --> 01:37:48,445 or they'd go into the atmosphere and disappear. 2110 01:37:49,745 --> 01:37:51,325 So that's the latest for that. 2111 01:37:51,385 --> 01:37:55,045 So that will provide for early spring access. 2112 01:37:55,625 --> 01:38:00,045 And by then also the, we'll be able to plot out where, 2113 01:38:00,815 --> 01:38:03,605 where the paths should be more permanently. 2114 01:38:04,825 --> 01:38:07,925 And so that the critical time is 2115 01:38:08,565 --> 01:38:11,365 sometime in the early summer we need to get a mowing done. 2116 01:38:12,385 --> 01:38:14,805 It may require less heavy, 2117 01:38:16,355 --> 01:38:17,845 less heavy equipment. 2118 01:38:18,345 --> 01:38:20,045 You know, the, the mower 2119 01:38:20,045 --> 01:38:24,685 that does the paths on the broad view area may be used 2120 01:38:25,985 --> 01:38:27,125 for this annex area. 2121 01:38:27,635 --> 01:38:32,205 It's a hope and not, not fully understood yet. We'll see 2122 01:38:33,585 --> 01:38:35,165 Jay, who's on you're chair in that committee? 2123 01:38:35,165 --> 01:38:36,165 Who's on that committee with you? 2124 01:38:36,515 --> 01:38:38,725 Well, we have Christopher. Okay. 2125 01:38:39,105 --> 01:38:40,885 Yep. And Eileen. Yep. 2126 01:38:41,345 --> 01:38:45,725 Got it. Thank you. Okay. 2127 01:38:45,785 --> 01:38:47,885 Any, any other, other business? 2128 01:38:49,385 --> 01:38:53,085 If I could request, if anyone has any Trailhead photos, 2129 01:38:53,235 --> 01:38:54,325 they could email them to me. 2130 01:38:54,425 --> 01:38:56,165 I'd like to make sure we do some more posts. 2131 01:38:56,925 --> 01:39:00,565 Yeah, there's some interest from the general population of 2132 01:39:00,565 --> 01:39:01,765 what their favorite location is. 2133 01:39:01,765 --> 01:39:03,645 Just kind of engage more. Love that. 2134 01:39:03,645 --> 01:39:05,725 If anyone has anything like that, that'd be great. Did we, 2135 01:39:06,025 --> 01:39:09,045 Did we ever post that training thing with the DPW? 2136 01:39:10,865 --> 01:39:12,525 No. Let's do that Linda. Yep. 2137 01:39:12,755 --> 01:39:15,765 That, that's that training story from DPW and I heard it. 2138 01:39:15,805 --> 01:39:19,325 I loved it. So I think get with Beth 2139 01:39:19,865 --> 01:39:21,605 and talk about how that went down 2140 01:39:22,885 --> 01:39:24,165 and maybe we can even get some 2141 01:39:24,165 --> 01:39:25,685 files. That would be, you know, 2142 01:39:25,685 --> 01:39:29,365 Another suggestion I'd make is quite, quite 2143 01:39:29,365 --> 01:39:30,005 Often. One 2144 01:39:30,005 --> 01:39:31,005 Second. 2145 01:39:31,005 --> 01:39:33,285 N-H-A-C-C does newsletters that involve 2146 01:39:33,475 --> 01:39:36,845 what different commissions have done interacting, you know, 2147 01:39:36,845 --> 01:39:38,885 within their towns with other committees 2148 01:39:38,905 --> 01:39:40,165 and other departments. 2149 01:39:40,465 --> 01:39:42,245 And I think that'd be a great story to send 2150 01:39:42,245 --> 01:39:44,165 to Barbara Richter for dare 2151 01:39:44,165 --> 01:39:45,605 to get in one of those newsletters. 2152 01:39:46,905 --> 01:39:48,485 So that shared with the whole state 2153 01:39:48,945 --> 01:39:51,125 and all the, all the other towns in the, 2154 01:39:51,515 --> 01:39:53,485 Like do you have a picture of that tree that they, 2155 01:39:53,485 --> 01:39:54,645 that was crossing the path? 2156 01:39:55,325 --> 01:39:57,765 I Do. Okay, cool. Yep. So, so maybe the post can 2157 01:39:57,765 --> 01:39:59,605 Be, I just got the before and after pictures. Yeah. 2158 01:39:59,605 --> 01:40:00,605 Oh, you have before and after? 2159 01:40:00,725 --> 01:40:02,525 I do. Yeah. Well I have before pictures 2160 01:40:02,685 --> 01:40:04,085 'cause I had to take pictures is the feeling. 2161 01:40:04,105 --> 01:40:05,165 Oh, there's a tree in the trail. 2162 01:40:05,275 --> 01:40:07,405 Yeah, let's do that post that they took the tree down, 2163 01:40:07,405 --> 01:40:09,485 used as a training off for the town and all that stuff. 2164 01:40:09,565 --> 01:40:11,045 I think that would be a, that would be a cool post. 2165 01:40:11,265 --> 01:40:14,405 And then Eileen's comment about did we post on the BioBlitz? 2166 01:40:16,285 --> 01:40:20,445 I did we post on the bio bl like we 2167 01:40:20,445 --> 01:40:21,485 shared about the BioBlitz? 2168 01:40:21,505 --> 01:40:25,485 Yes. On Facebook you mean, but you mean to N-H-A-C-C? 2169 01:40:25,745 --> 01:40:27,885 No, to our, our, yes. Yeah, we did. 2170 01:40:27,885 --> 01:40:29,845 Okay, so let's do, let's do one on, 2171 01:40:29,905 --> 01:40:31,165 on the, on the tree thing. 2172 01:40:31,165 --> 01:40:32,205 Sure. Thank you. Yeah. 2173 01:40:32,205 --> 01:40:34,245 And then Eileen's suggestion is really good. 2174 01:40:36,235 --> 01:40:38,685 Yeah. 'cause I, I think it, you know, I, what I love about 2175 01:40:38,685 --> 01:40:42,965 that newsletter, it quite often has stories that are shared 2176 01:40:43,145 --> 01:40:47,965 for the purpose of other towns to be able to kind of grab 2177 01:40:48,235 --> 01:40:50,525 that information and go with that kind 2178 01:40:50,525 --> 01:40:53,005 of project in their town, you know, so it's sort 2179 01:40:53,085 --> 01:40:54,645 of a replication kind of thing. 2180 01:40:56,345 --> 01:40:58,805 You know, towns learn from each other that way. So, 2181 01:41:00,555 --> 01:41:01,555 Okay. 2182 01:41:01,555 --> 01:41:03,245 If we are done, we are gonna have a, 2183 01:41:04,135 --> 01:41:05,245 we're gonna be done by nine. 2184 01:41:06,567 --> 01:41:07,725 We are gonna have a non-public, 2185 01:41:07,725 --> 01:41:10,205 it's gonna be fairly brief and Mr. 2186 01:41:10,395 --> 01:41:11,525 Mets gonna take it away. 2187 01:41:12,635 --> 01:41:15,645 Move to go into non-public session per RSA 91. 2188 01:41:15,845 --> 01:41:16,925 A three sec. 2189 01:41:16,925 --> 01:41:20,045 Section two for the purpose of land acquisition. 2190 01:41:20,865 --> 01:41:23,285 Second. Alright, so we have a first 2191 01:41:23,345 --> 01:41:25,045 to go into non-public by Mr. 2192 01:41:25,395 --> 01:41:28,565 Metz. A second by Cheryl. We need a roll call Vote on this. 2193 01:41:29,085 --> 01:41:32,445 Starting to my right? Yes, 2194 01:41:33,545 --> 01:41:35,325 yes, yes, yes, 2195 01:41:35,985 --> 01:41:37,725 Yes, yes, yes. 2196 01:41:39,735 --> 01:41:43,365 Chair votes. Yes. We need a motion to invite, 2197 01:41:45,055 --> 01:41:46,645 let's see, we have to invite Catherine. 2198 01:41:47,345 --> 01:41:48,485 We have to invite Pam. 2199 01:41:49,345 --> 01:41:51,365 We have to invite Charlie if he wants to stay. 2200 01:41:51,905 --> 01:41:53,805 We have to invite Beth if she wants to stay. 2201 01:41:53,905 --> 01:41:56,045 Do you wanna stay? Sure. Okay. 2202 01:41:56,225 --> 01:41:58,925 So I think you can do that all at once. Right? Okay. 2203 01:41:59,715 --> 01:42:02,685 Move to, move to invite all those members mentioned. 2204 01:42:02,985 --> 01:42:06,045 All right. So as a first, is there a second? Second. 2205 01:42:06,505 --> 01:42:09,205 Second by Cheryl. Is that a roll call Charlie? Yeah. 2206 01:42:09,235 --> 01:42:13,165 Alright. Roll call again. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, 2207 01:42:13,665 --> 01:42:15,125 Yes, yes, yes. 2208 01:42:15,975 --> 01:42:20,725 Chair votes? Yes. Okay. 2209 01:42:20,815 --> 01:42:22,645 We're non-public Good. We're non-public. 2210 01:42:22,705 --> 01:42:23,700 Let us know when we're ready. Owen.