[0:05] I'd like to call the Dairy Conservation Commission meeting
[0:07] to order everybody silence their cell phones, please.
[0:13] And we'll stop the meeting with Pledge of Allegiance
[0:21] To the Flag Flag of the United States of America
[0:24] to your college, which, which stands, one Nation under God,
[0:29] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[0:39] Hi. Thanks for coming tonight.
[0:41] Emergency exits in, in this room are located at the back
[0:45] and to my right, if there's an emergency in the building,
[0:48] please don't use the elevator.
[0:50] Use the stairs. If you need assistance, ask one
[0:53] of the commissioners for help.
[0:56] We'll stop the evening off
[0:58] with introduction of commissioners.
[1:02] And I'll council liaison all the way to my right
[1:05] Shall I put town Council liaison.
[1:07] Good evening. Christopher Warlock.
[1:10] Cheryl Holbert. Jay Hildreth.
[1:12] Rick Metz. Bob Sperl.
[1:16] I lead to both Catherine Arbor.
[1:20] Elizabeth Carver.
[1:22] And I'm the chair. Rico Za.
[1:27] Mr. Chair, apologies. Can we ensure everyone's microphone
[1:29] is on
[1:36] So your green light on at the bottom,
[1:37] everybody's green light on. Yes. Mine
[1:40] Is now. It was not
[1:41] Before.
[1:42] Okay, good. You you got,
[1:43] you got everything though, right Owen?
[1:45] Yep. Thank you. Alright, thank you. Alright. Chair's report.
[1:48] First order of business. Sad but happy.
[1:51] Val Conley is moving to where she bought a, her
[1:55] and her fiance bought a house in Ware.
[1:58] And one of the requirements to,
[1:59] to sit on this commission
[2:01] is you have to be a resident of town.
[2:02] So she, she was gonna try to come to tonight
[2:04] and say goodbye, but I, I get that she's busy,
[2:07] so we, we wish her well.
[2:11] And she says she might see us in the future
[2:14] 'cause she may get involved in conservation in her,
[2:17] in her new community. So I
[2:18] Hope she does. She was
[2:20] Excellent.
[2:21] Yeah. Val, if you'll, if you are watching,
[2:22] we'll miss you terribly and good luck in your, in your new,
[2:25] in your new home
[2:30] and correspondence.
[2:31] We have A letter from
[2:36] Jacob and Sarah White regarding a property
[2:39] that was recently purchased at
[2:43] one feathered Featherbed Lane, 59 dash 69.
[2:48] It's basically just a, a description of what
[2:52] she's seen on that property over the, the years
[2:55] that she's lived there regarding wildlife and, and animals
[3:00] and, and stuff like that.
[3:01] And she wants us, she's urging us to,
[3:05] to just do our due diligence,
[3:06] which we don't need to be urged to do that.
[3:08] We do our due diligence whether we're urged to or not.
[3:11] But I've instructed our land manager, Beth, to
[3:16] just reply to that letter and,
[3:18] and tell them that we're, we're gonna do everything we can
[3:22] to within our purview to make sure that it,
[3:24] it helps the community from conservation perspective.
[3:27] We have reported alleged violation.
[3:29] I'll send that to my left first. You guys can look it over.
[3:32] We have a reported alleged violation
[3:35] for a property at 54 Beaver Lake Avenue.
[3:37] Derry Tax map number 51 lot number 75,
[3:41] that's gonna go to my left.
[3:43] A reported alleged violation
[3:45] for a property at 19 Whitney's Grove Tax map number 15,
[3:49] lot number 16 dash four.
[3:50] That'll go to my left. And the second
[3:55] notice for the same property.
[3:56] Those are all going to my left.
[3:58] You guys come look at 'em and then send 'em back this way.
[4:01] So the people on the other side of the room can
[4:04] we have a report?
[4:06] Waste Management Division.
[4:08] It's a renewal for the groundwater release detention permit
[4:11] for b and H Oil at 36 South Main Street.
[4:14] Derry received on July 13th.
[4:16] They're required to do this as they renew their permits.
[4:20] That'll go to my right. We'll go
[4:23] the opposite way with that one.
[4:29] That's all I have for correspondence.
[4:30] We're gonna jump right into site plan review.
[4:34] We have the site address, 38 Jackman Road, Jackman Road,
[4:38] right of way tax map seven lot 77.
[4:42] The owner is Joe Masano from three Ball Avenue Salem.
[4:47] Surveyor is Laval and engineer is engineering alliance.
[4:52] The presenters are Eric. Is Eric here? Yes. That's okay.
[4:56] Eric and Joe. That's, yes. Okay, great.
[4:59] So they have some plans for us. We're gonna look this over.
[5:01] If you guys could distribute that, that'd be great. Is this
[5:03] On or do I have to press a button to turn it on?
[5:05] I don't see here. Where's,
[5:08] Okay.
[5:09] While you're, you know what, while you're doing that,
[5:10] we're gonna, I skipped over approval of minutes,
[5:12] so we're gonna, we're gonna take a peek at those, but,
[5:14] but go ahead and hand those.
[5:15] Owen gets, Owen gets that in the back.
[5:18] He's got a, he's got a a f up. Everyone look at the minutes.
[5:22] Any, is there a motion to approve the minutes?
[5:27] So moved. Is there a second?
[5:29] Second. Yep.
[5:31] Second. Got, we were first by Mr. Met, second by Cheryl.
[5:34] All those in favor say aye.
[5:36] Aye. Aye. Opposed?
[5:40] I that your unanim So I have to sit someone
[5:41] I have to, I have to sit someone, right?
[5:43] Yeah.
[5:45] Oh, thanks. So we have to sit. Good
[5:49] Catch.
[5:50] Yeah, there we go.
[5:56] Thank you. Copy. Oh, thank you.
[6:01] Thank you. Thank you. That's right.
[6:06] Linda, will you sit for Val tonight?
[6:08] Yes, I'll be happy. Okay. Yeah,
[6:14] So everyone caught that.
[6:15] Linda's gonna sit for Val for the rest
[6:17] of the meeting. Okay.
[6:22] I think. Okay. This thing's on. Perfect.
[6:24] Yeah. Okay guys, state your name for the record
[6:26] and run us through this plan.
[6:28] You got it. Eric, Brad Nii Engineering Alliance,
[6:31] the professional engineer for the project.
[6:33] Joseph Masano, owner.
[6:35] Perfect. So as you guys mentioned,
[6:38] the property's located at 38 Jackman Road tax map seven lot
[6:41] 77, the size of the lot's, a little over six acres,
[6:45] 6.3 acres.
[6:47] So just to give you guys a little idea of
[6:48] what has gone on with this project so far.
[6:50] So Joe here, the owner had received a variance
[6:53] for the property to build a single family
[6:55] dwelling on this property.
[6:57] As part of that process, we were brought on
[6:59] as Jackman Road is a Class six road.
[7:01] So it's owned and maintained by the property owners
[7:05] that are along Jackman Road.
[7:06] And we were brought into bring Jackman Road up to
[7:12] the requirements for the, a classics road for the town.
[7:17] So we prepared these plans, brought them
[7:19] and submitted them to the technical review committee.
[7:21] Had a review from the technical review committee
[7:23] and then it was brought to our attention
[7:25] that the wetland on site at the top of the plan,
[7:27] you can see there as a prime wetland.
[7:30] And so there was some plan changes that were made.
[7:33] We went back for a second technical review committee meeting
[7:36] and we added a bunch of information
[7:38] that you'll see on the following plans after the cover here.
[7:42] And, and really what the, the gist of this project is, is
[7:45] that there is, at the top,
[7:47] you can see there's a prime wetland
[7:48] and then there's a secondary wetland down
[7:50] to like the bottom left side of the plan there as well.
[7:52] That runs through the middle of the property.
[7:54] If we could move to the next sheet.
[7:59] Oh, okay. I didn't realize I could do that. My apologies.
[8:03] So, just to give you guys an idea,
[8:04] these are existing conditions
[8:06] as to what's going on out there.
[8:07] So if you look true north is, you know,
[8:09] straight up and down on this plan here.
[8:10] Jackman Road is to the right,
[8:11] this is the subject property prime wetland at the top
[8:15] and secondary wetland here on the side.
[8:18] These plans are oriented a little bit differently just
[8:21] to show the Jackman Jackman Road comes
[8:23] along the side of the plan here.
[8:24] But, so here's Jackman Road
[8:26] and then this is Joe's property that he owns here.
[8:29] So that wetland at the top of the previous sheet is here.
[8:32] And then the secondary one,
[8:33] well you'll see on the next sheet is,
[8:34] is is off the sheet here.
[8:36] But, so we have this wetland here, 150 foot setback
[8:39] to the primary wetland and then the 70 foot, 75 foot no cut
[8:44] buffer zone is here as well.
[8:47] Jackman Road is currently, I guess you could say like eight
[8:51] or so feet wide gravel road that comes all the way down
[8:54] past the Rockingham recreational trail.
[8:57] And then moves a little bit further past along the frontage
[9:00] of Joe's property.
[9:03] This is just a view of the full property,
[9:05] again, Jackman Road here.
[9:06] Now this is oriented similar
[9:07] to the first plant Jackman Road on this side.
[9:08] This gives a view of the entire property here
[9:11] with our prime wetland and our secondary wetland.
[9:14] On the side here, the grading of the site,
[9:16] there's a high point here up along the trail
[9:18] and then everything sort of pitches down
[9:20] to the prime wetland and then out back this way as well to
[9:23] that secondary wetland.
[9:25] So what's proposed is a single family dwelling
[9:30] there also, you guys will see on these plans,
[9:32] there is a secondary building proposing these plans.
[9:34] That's a future a DU that is not gonna be built right this,
[9:38] you know, at this time under the same
[9:39] permit as this building.
[9:40] But we showed it on here to show the site impacts that
[9:44] would come with that A DU further down the road.
[9:47] So again, Jackman Road here
[9:48] with our improvements to Jackman Road.
[9:52] This will be a 20 foot wide gravel road that'll be designed
[9:55] to meet the, the town engineered standards
[9:57] for a class six road.
[9:59] It'll be two feet of gravel so you know,
[10:00] water can directly infiltrate in there.
[10:02] So it's not gonna create any additional storm water issues
[10:05] for Jackman Road coming down here.
[10:07] But you'll see we crossed the re, oops, sorry,
[10:09] we crossed the recreational trail here.
[10:11] And the only spot
[10:13] that we can access the property is
[10:15] right along this frontage here.
[10:16] This is all owned by the state,
[10:17] the Rockingham recreational Trail.
[10:19] And then this is Jackman Road.
[10:21] So the gravel road will come across here.
[10:24] The fire department requested we place a hammerhead
[10:26] turnaround here to allow for a fire engine
[10:29] to pull in back up and pull out.
[10:31] That's what this little area is down here.
[10:34] Then we have the driveway access up to the,
[10:36] to the single family dwelling.
[10:37] Again, another turnaround is required based on the zoning
[10:41] code for a fire apparatus here.
[10:43] So we've got another one there.
[10:48] Again, just kind of reorienting here
[10:50] so you can see the full extent of the site.
[10:52] So the driveway turns in, single family is here.
[10:56] As you guys will notice the driveway access,
[10:59] the only place we can really provide it, pulling
[11:01] as far away from that prime wetland
[11:03] as we can is within the 75
[11:05] to 100 foot buffer to the prime wetland.
[11:08] You can see this dash line here is that 150 foot mark.
[11:11] And so the entirety of the property front
[11:14] of John Jackman Road is within 150 feet of that wetland.
[11:17] That's why we have a proposed here during the TRC meeting.
[11:21] You know, we were informed that we'll have to request a,
[11:26] a special permit from the zoning board
[11:27] to construct the driveway there within 75 to 150 feet.
[11:33] And we will be doing so after this meeting.
[11:35] We were, we'll be applying to get on the planning
[11:37] and zoning meetings in September.
[11:41] So again, driveway access,
[11:42] single family dwelling turnaround, here's
[11:45] that secondary A DU future proposed A DU that we mentioned,
[11:49] again will not be constructed at the
[11:51] same time as this dwelling.
[11:52] We we'd, you know, file
[11:53] for a separate building permit for that.
[11:55] But this just to show again, site impacts, you know,
[11:58] we show erosion control barrier around the limit of work.
[12:02] And again, we're trying to stay as far away from
[12:04] that wetland as we can.
[12:07] You know, building is set up on the high spot up away from
[12:10] the wetland and we're outside, you know, buildings are
[12:13] outside the 150 foot buffer here.
[12:17] These are just roadway profiles if you guys
[12:20] care for the details of that.
[12:21] We're trying to maintain a very similar grading scheme as
[12:25] to what's out in Jackman Road.
[12:27] Now. We really don't want to change much of
[12:29] that grade out there.
[12:30] Keep it right about where it's at.
[12:32] The only spot where it will change is a little bit right
[12:34] here where that turnaround I told you is there's like a drop
[12:37] off that drops six or seven feet.
[12:39] We're gonna pull that up and then
[12:40] after the fire engine turnaround, just grade it back down
[12:43] to meet the existing grade in Jackman Road.
[12:46] This plan is just a driveway profile.
[12:49] Again, similar thing, we want to try to keep these grids
[12:51] as similar as we can.
[12:53] So the, the driveway grade will be almost
[12:55] identical to what's out there.
[12:57] There's very like a very minimal fill area.
[13:00] Basically most of it.
[13:01] Where it comes in is where that connection to the turnaround
[13:04] for the fire apparatus is.
[13:06] And then the last plan in the set is
[13:08] just some construction details.
[13:09] It gives you a roadway cross section of
[13:11] what the 20 foot roadway will look like, a cross section
[13:14] of the driveway, what that's gonna look like,
[13:16] and then our erosion control detail.
[13:20] So again, we're, we're here
[13:21] before you guys tonight mainly for the impacts
[13:23] that this is gonna have in the area relative to
[13:26] that prime wetland because we do have some work as inside
[13:31] that 150 foot buffer of that prime wetland.
[13:35] So we'd just like to get you guys' feedback on, on, on that
[13:38] and what we may need from you in order to proceed.
[13:41] Thank you.
[13:44] What, what's the transition on the, on the rec trail?
[13:47] How are you gonna handle that? I'm curious.
[13:48] Sorry, what was that? What's the
[13:50] transition on the rec trail?
[13:51] How does the, how do you, how do you transition
[13:53] from the class?
[13:56] Is that, that's a class six road, right? That's correct.
[13:58] So how do you transition a class six road
[14:02] through the rec trail and then so you,
[14:04] you doing improvements to the rec trail too?
[14:07] We are, the only improvement that we have
[14:09] for the wreck trail trail that's been coordinated with
[14:12] DES is that they requested that we put, and let me go back
[14:15] and like they're labeled on the plan here.
[14:17] They requested that we put two
[14:20] gates one on either side of the wreck trail.
[14:23] So right now, you know, there's not much vehicle travel
[14:27] that goes on across the rec trail.
[14:29] It's really just, you know, anything
[14:30] that's coming across the rec trail in this direction.
[14:32] So they requested that Joe have custom built gates
[14:36] to a specific spec that they gave us
[14:38] that he is in the process of having built
[14:40] and they want them placed on either side.
[14:42] So it'll become, these gates will have locks on them
[14:47] and knock boxes on them that allows, you know, police
[14:50] and fire to get through through if necessary.
[14:52] But the idea here is that this will now,
[14:54] those gates will limit or,
[14:56] or will be like a sign for anybody using the wreck trail
[15:00] that there is gonna be vehicular traffic
[15:02] on this road now. But,
[15:04] But how, how will hikers
[15:05] and bikers be able to navigate that if there's gates walk?
[15:09] Like they should be allowed to use the trail
[15:12] and how are they gonna use it if there's gates?
[15:14] Well they put it's, you're gonna do the 54 inch,
[15:16] 54 inch opening. Correct. That is
[15:17] Like any other, any other road.
[15:19] They're required to do a 54 inch opening for, for the,
[15:22] for the ATVs to get
[15:23] So able to get through safely.
[15:26] Are you working with Mike Weeks?
[15:28] I am. Okay. Yes.
[15:29] Yeah, Mike Weeks are approved it already and he came out
[15:32] and staked it and the gates just got finished being built.
[15:35] So Mike works for, I work for the state
[15:39] for forest and lands.
[15:41] Mike works for parks under the Trails bureau.
[15:44] So it's actually not DES, it's DNCR.
[15:47] Apologize, I just wanted to to make it clear
[15:50] because some people will be like,
[15:51] what's DES got to do with it?
[15:53] Right. But and those gates Yeah.
[15:56] If he's following our standard plan, yeah, it does have a,
[15:59] a man pass the
[16:01] Side able is still hike through and bike through.
[16:04] Okay. During the winter the gate is put in a locked open
[16:08] position for the snowmobiles to go through and stuff.
[16:11] Good. Okay. The main, the main reason we ask for the gates,
[16:15] Mike's probably explained it to you,
[16:17] is people find openings on that trail of course.
[16:20] And they will be driving pickups and Jeeps
[16:22] and everything else down there. So Yeah, of course
[16:24] That you don't want there, there was built
[16:26] to spec of what Mike sent me.
[16:28] Yeah. And then your other discussion about the road being
[16:32] accessible for the fire department.
[16:34] The fire department always has the ability to use the trail.
[16:38] They, they've got keys they can come down in
[16:40] emergency down that trail.
[16:42] So that's another thing to consider.
[16:46] So getting back to the question that I had
[16:48] regarding the transition, so, so you're gonna, you have a,
[16:51] you have a class six road, two feet of,
[16:54] of Crestone or gravel.
[16:56] When it, when it goes across the rec trail, does it,
[16:59] does it maintain that cross section
[17:02] or do how, how, how do you get,
[17:04] how do you get your new roadway across the rec trail
[17:07] and then have it start as a new roadway?
[17:08] So you're redoing the rec trail at that portion also?
[17:11] That's an excellent question.
[17:12] My understanding is there's just gonna be a
[17:14] little bit of regrading out there.
[17:15] It's not gonna be the, the two feet
[17:17] of crush stone through the rec trail.
[17:20] 'cause Joe's gonna be responsible for maintaining the,
[17:23] like this entire section of that.
[17:25] But the rec trail section is still under the
[17:27] state's, state's ownership.
[17:29] So it'll be your spec on each.
[17:31] And then the, the rec trail is usually like stone dust?
[17:33] Correct. That's, that's gonna stay like stone dust. Got it.
[17:37] So those, that road is gonna have
[17:38] to be plowed in the winter.
[17:40] So that area where the intersection is with the rail trail
[17:44] won't be interfered with when
[17:46] with plow the grading will be compact enough.
[17:51] Y Yes, that's correct. So if you look,
[17:53] I can show you guys on the grading plan, the wreck trail.
[17:56] See this little, these two little dash lines here.
[17:59] We, we did this very purposely.
[18:00] We tried to keep the grade the same,
[18:02] but the actual recreational trail is staying the exact same
[18:06] grade that it is now.
[18:08] So any change in grade, the little dashed line you can see
[18:10] underneath is the grade that's there.
[18:12] Now the thick line on top is the proposed grade.
[18:15] So we're almost identical in grade.
[18:17] And then when we get to the, the recreational trail,
[18:19] it's spot on right on top of where it was.
[18:22] Did you, did you, have you guys done your,
[18:24] your park testing for septic
[18:27] There?
[18:28] Yes. There was per test done for septic and,
[18:31] and yes, it, it's all set.
[18:32] The only, so I, let me rephrase that.
[18:35] There was an approved septic plan
[18:36] that was done for this site.
[18:38] The septic location was
[18:39] previously, can you guys see the s up here?
[18:40] That 150 foot buffer?
[18:42] Yeah, the previous septic like,
[18:45] like straddled the line on the 150 foot.
[18:48] So the test pit that's actually shown on
[18:49] here is in the correct location.
[18:50] We just rotated this. So there was an approved plan with,
[18:53] for the septic, we just have
[18:55] to get it updated to show the new location.
[18:56] So when was that? When was the,
[18:58] so you haven't done a new one yet
[18:59] that you're still working off the old one?
[19:01] Yes, that's correct. But it's the same test bit.
[19:03] So the information we, we didn't do it, the surveyor did,
[19:06] but I can get you guys a copy of
[19:07] that if you need to see it. Got it.
[19:09] And I'm, I'm assuming that the septic area has,
[19:14] has the other two bedrooms, the proposed two bedrooms?
[19:16] That is correct, yes. It's
[19:17] for six bedrooms, not just the four.
[19:19] Okay.
[19:20] And the pit, the pit tested for six?
[19:22] Yes, that is correct. Will there be a septic as well
[19:26] for the A DU in that?
[19:27] Yeah, it's gonna share the A DU is
[19:29] Gonna share that it's gonna share the same septic.
[19:30] Yep. And the shortest distance from the required 150 feet is
[19:35] 75 to the PRI wetland.
[19:37] Yeah. At the end of the driveway, 75 feet did you say,
[19:40] So the shortest distance to
[19:42] where the driveway comes in, is that what you said? Y
[19:44] Yeah, the, the shortest in the,
[19:46] in the buffer zone to the prime wetland,
[19:48] Yes.
[19:49] So for the access driveway, so this,
[19:50] this is actually something that we wanted to,
[19:53] to ask you guys and, and,
[19:54] and we needed to discuss with some of the town officials.
[19:57] So what we had done this plan originally
[20:01] we had shown we did not have this turnaround
[20:03] for the fire department at the end.
[20:05] And so everything was outside of the 75 feet.
[20:08] So if you look, the 75 foot buffer is this little dash
[20:11] is this dash line here.
[20:12] And you can see our proposed driveway
[20:14] and all that work is between 75 to 150.
[20:17] When we added in the required turnaround, that was requested
[20:20] by the fire department.
[20:21] There's this little small section here
[20:23] that's within 75 feet.
[20:26] You can see there's some grading
[20:27] and it's just the gravel,
[20:28] it's the gravel turnaround for the fire department.
[20:30] I don't have the exact dimension,
[20:31] but if we pulled this, it's, it's about 45 feet where that,
[20:36] that section of the grading would come
[20:38] down after the turnaround.
[20:39] Now is that something that, again, this is more
[20:43] of a question to the, to the commission, is that something
[20:45] that is allowable or is that something again,
[20:47] because it was requested
[20:48] by the fire department for us to do that.
[20:50] Is that something that's gonna be a a a problem with with
[20:53] with the construction of the roadway there or because
[20:57] because again, it's, it's the, all the work that's on site
[21:00] for the single family is all, you know, outside
[21:03] of that 75 feet.
[21:04] But that one little section there is within it.
[21:10] Any of the other commissioners have questions. Rick,
[21:13] Is there a reason you can't pull that turnaround back
[21:16] towards the road origin? Towards the trail?
[21:19] So I, I don't have it in this set of plans,
[21:21] but the, the fire,
[21:23] the fire department sent me the parameters
[21:25] for the fire engine that needs to be able to make this turn.
[21:28] And if you guys look, so it comes in
[21:29] and this, this little radius here is how it needs
[21:32] to turn up in this direction here, in order for this thing
[21:34] to back up and swing out, it has
[21:36] to come out to this, this area here.
[21:38] If I tried to move this driveway at all, he'd basically,
[21:41] now all of his access would be coming from
[21:44] the Rockingham rec trail property rather than the right
[21:46] of way in Jackman Road.
[21:49] So it's, we're kind of tight on this spot here.
[21:53] Like I don't think we'd be able to pull that any further in
[21:57] So the end, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to pull
[21:59] that end in to match, to come closer to the edge of the,
[22:02] the proposed driveway.
[22:05] Unfortunately what I'm saying, not not for not
[22:07] for the apparatus to make the maneuver.
[22:08] It needs to make. And I, again, I can also provide you guys
[22:13] with a plan that shows that it was a request
[22:15] from the TRC for that as well.
[22:16] But I can, we have a a a, a turning plan
[22:19] that shows the movement that needs to make.
[22:22] And, and that may, may clarify some of this.
[22:27] I would just be curious with within the commission
[22:29] of the proposed, I mean
[22:30] of the potential impact within 45 feet of prime wetland,
[22:34] if there's anything, any concern about that.
[22:36] That just seems very close to me.
[22:38] I think Prime Wetland, does
[22:40] That trigger a DES permit?
[22:41] Do you have to, you have to get a permit from DES
[22:43] to, 'cause you're inside the prime.
[22:46] I think We
[22:47] May did mention that.
[22:48] Yeah. Yeah. So,
[22:50] And then we, so from the commission's perspective, I'm,
[22:53] I'm fairly confident that's the case.
[22:58] We also have the ability to comment on that permit.
[23:03] So, so we're, we're gonna get our first look here.
[23:08] I I'm thinking we're gonna see this.
[23:09] I think we should do a site visit Mr. Chair. Yeah, I do too.
[23:11] Eileen, I I I'm just wondering if we should wait till,
[23:15] wait till they have to go to zba.
[23:18] No, well they have to still go to zba Right. And planning.
[23:22] Okay. They're both gonna have some suggestions.
[23:26] I'm, I'm thinking this plan is gonna change somewhat.
[23:31] I'm not so sure if it's gonna change a lot,
[23:32] but I I'm, I'm gonna, I have a gut feeling
[23:35] that it's gonna change somewhat
[23:36] after those two boards look at it.
[23:39] And I think they're probably gonna come back before us.
[23:41] We should probably look at that set of plans
[23:45] and then do the site walk based on that set
[23:47] of plans rather than this set of plans.
[23:50] 'cause I think this set of plans is gonna change
[23:52] and could change could change, you know,
[23:54] fairly significantly after three other. So for the better
[23:58] Or for more impacts, I just think it's gonna change.
[24:02] Yeah, I think the lines on the plan are gonna change.
[24:06] So I wanna be looking at the lines on the plan
[24:08] that are gonna be the permanent lines on the plan as opposed
[24:10] to the, the initial lines on the plan.
[24:13] That's me as a member and a suggestion.
[24:18] That being said, so I I think you are gonna go
[24:19] to DES and anything else?
[24:23] Yeah, go ahead Bob.
[24:25] Midway down the section you're restoring,
[24:28] there's a 12 inch pipe going under
[24:33] the contours that are on the road.
[24:35] Don't give us any indication,
[24:37] obviously the pipe is either carrying
[24:39] water one side or the other.
[24:41] What's happening to that water afterwards?
[24:44] My guess would be it runs down the side of the road
[24:47] or is it gonna disperse out into one property or the other?
[24:50] That's an excellent question.
[24:52] So I will pull up and show what we are talking about here.
[24:55] So right here at this section of the road,
[24:58] so we are actually currently in the process
[25:00] of having the surveyor go out
[25:02] and get a couple additional spot shots along both sides
[25:04] of the stone wall that's out there right
[25:06] now where this is shown.
[25:07] If you guys walk out there,
[25:08] you can see there's like a ditch on, sorry, on this side.
[25:11] When you stand out there, there's a little
[25:12] ditch on the side of the wall.
[25:14] Okay. Basically we would put, you know,
[25:17] the opening would be here with,
[25:20] we haven't determined if it's gonna be a head wall or a,
[25:22] or a, or a level spreader on this side,
[25:23] but this would be coming in
[25:25] through this way and out this way.
[25:27] And again, same thing, level
[25:28] spreader or a head wall on this side.
[25:29] It just depends on what those, these elevations are.
[25:31] We call that out to match.
[25:32] But again, the surveyor is currently in the process
[25:34] of working to get back out there.
[25:36] The idea here is just to make sure that
[25:41] that area on this side of the wall where
[25:42] that little ditches is not
[25:44] ponding on the neighbor's property here,
[25:46] outside on Jackman Road.
[25:48] So this size of this pipe may change as well. Where,
[25:51] Where, is there something there right now?
[25:53] Is there some sort of pipe there
[25:54] Now?
[25:55] There is not. Okay.
[25:57] But again, it, we we,
[25:58] this was a request from the engineering department to
[26:01] assess the area and,
[26:03] and mark anywhere that a culvert may be needed. So we
[26:07] How long is that pipe?
[26:08] How long is it? Yeah, it's about 30 feet.
[26:11] Okay, sorry, sorry to interrupt.
[26:13] We don't like 12 inch pipes
[26:14] We're it's gonna be larger.
[26:16] It was requested that it's at least 15 inches from,
[26:19] from the engineering department.
[26:22] Once we have the survey on what these elevations are.
[26:26] So to answer this, it'll be at least 15 inches.
[26:29] It not larger. Yeah.
[26:32] So I guess from, from my experience on the trail and,
[26:36] and being down in there,
[26:39] the concern would be any water coming down the road,
[26:43] which it already has been, you've been out there,
[26:45] so you've seen it runs out onto the trail
[26:48] and across into your property would be
[26:52] the ditch line, which I don't really remember any kind
[26:55] of a ditch line on that side to catch the water
[26:58] and go in either direction.
[27:00] But it's just a consideration I guess
[27:05] is to be, be aware that it will wash coming down there.
[27:10] Even your plan shows it
[27:12] as a pretty steady slope down through there.
[27:16] Yeah, they'll, so, so this, this pitch is, so again,
[27:19] and when we have the additional survey information,
[27:21] this will show, but you know, this, this grade down here,
[27:23] everything kind of pitches, like you said,
[27:26] down in this direction and then sort
[27:27] of down in away in this direction.
[27:29] So the idea here would be anything just
[27:31] to prevent any ponding from here to come across.
[27:33] But the one thing that,
[27:36] and it was part of our, our submission
[27:40] to TRC was concerned about runoff from the updated road.
[27:44] And so this,
[27:47] this 20 foot wide gravel road now with the two feet
[27:50] of stone is gonna provide some significant volume
[27:53] that's not there now for water to hold.
[27:55] So I I, I wouldn't have any major concerns about any water
[27:58] coming off the road just
[28:01] because the capacity that's gonna be
[28:03] provided here is significantly more than what's there now.
[28:08] Anyone else? Yes. Will the road be gravel?
[28:11] Yes. Okay. Another question I had was,
[28:16] I noted in the notes that you had it,
[28:18] you had the wetland boundaries flagged
[28:22] by a certified wet wetland scientist back in November
[28:25] of 2025.
[28:27] But I don't see a certified wetland scientist stamp on these
[28:30] plans that should be on the plans.
[28:37] And I, I also, you know,
[28:42] as I shared with the chair, I I would like
[28:44] to see a site visit done by the commission out there.
[28:50] Any other commissioners have questions for this applicant?
[28:54] No. How do you have another trip at TRC?
[28:58] Are you back at TRC? Are you done at TRC?
[29:01] We are done with TRC. You
[29:02] Are?
[29:03] So you got planning and zoning?
[29:05] Yes, that's correct. So I,
[29:10] I don't think we're gonna act
[29:12] on anything tonight at least I, I don't think
[29:14] that there'll be a, a motion to act on anything tonight.
[29:19] Couple of things that I'd like like to note,
[29:22] 'cause you'll be back after you go to planting and zoning
[29:24] and you, you come back here, we have an invasive,
[29:28] an invasive species, some language.
[29:31] If it hasn't been provided to you yet,
[29:33] we can provide it to you.
[29:34] So make sure that you, you get that in your plan set.
[29:40] I, I personally would like to see that pipe much bigger.
[29:43] Pipes under roads are not just for water.
[29:45] It's, they're for animals too.
[29:48] And, and some animals are bigger than 12 inches.
[29:50] So we, we like to, we like to make those pipes
[29:53] as big as they can be.
[29:56] Obviously we don't need it, need to be get a car through it.
[29:58] We wanna be able to have it not get clogged
[30:01] by a basketball or something like that.
[30:04] So we, I'd like to see a bigger, bigger pipe under
[30:08] that, under that road.
[30:10] We'd like to see a stamp from the,
[30:12] from the scientists obviously on the plants.
[30:14] As Eileen mentioned, I'd like to see the,
[30:18] the perk test for the six bedrooms.
[30:20] A detail on that. Anything else that people would like
[30:24] to see when they're back before us?
[30:27] Another, another, just another question I have
[30:31] on the layout of the house and,
[30:34] and again, you know, sort to speaking to Rick Metz
[30:38] who mentioned, you know, pulling things back a bit, one
[30:43] of the homes, if if you were
[30:45] to have it a different shape instead of as vertical
[30:49] as it is, you might be able
[30:50] to pull it back even more from the wetland.
[30:53] I don't know, is that a already a preconceived plan for,
[30:57] for a home to be long like that?
[31:01] As vertical as it's shown on page,
[31:04] This one page, page Four of eight.
[31:09] That's, you know, what we're in the process of now of,
[31:12] you know, making plans for you.
[31:16] You have some of the section that's going off as
[31:20] a attached garage on the house.
[31:22] That's why it's, but on page
[31:24] might appear a little bit longer
[31:26] On page four of eight, could
[31:28] you look at that one's four of eight?
[31:29] Yep. Yeah. So that's did
[31:30] That, if that, if that were to be changed, you know,
[31:34] a bit it, it could be pulled back and,
[31:37] and then you wouldn't have that grade, the necess
[31:41] necessity for such a grade so close to the wetland.
[31:45] So, so I, I just wanna point out, so, so this house,
[31:49] I mean we could, we could pull it back a little bit further
[31:52] in this direction, but the, the, the
[31:56] issue is relative to the driveway, it's not so much the,
[31:59] the building if you guys look,
[32:01] and so the property line
[32:03] for 38 Jackman is this black line here
[32:05] that comes across here, right?
[32:06] Right. And so this is the Jackman road right of way
[32:09] where the dash line is, that's the existing gravel road.
[32:13] If you look, our 150 foot buffer is this dash line here.
[32:17] Right. The entirety
[32:19] of this property line is within 150 feet.
[32:22] So the, what I had mentioned
[32:23] to you guys about this 75 feet is this particular section.
[32:27] We're coming into the here basically
[32:29] as far down Jackman road as we possibly can
[32:31] to turn into the site
[32:32] because of where the property is located.
[32:34] Okay. And so we're limited, you know,
[32:37] we can't turn this driveway up
[32:39] and in off the recreational trail up
[32:41] here on this property line.
[32:42] Okay. So, so this location
[32:45] of the driveway really can't change.
[32:48] But what, what was being discussed and, and
[32:51] and requested is this,
[32:53] so this dashed line is the 75 foot buffer
[32:56] to the burn wetland, right?
[32:58] And what's within 75 feet is a section
[33:00] of the fire apparatus turnaround
[33:02] for, for the fire department.
[33:05] And what was was question was, is there any way
[33:08] to pull this outta the 75 feet?
[33:10] And, and I can do my best to try to
[33:16] rerun the fire apparatus movement,
[33:18] although I, I think I've got it kind of tight to
[33:20] where it needs to be at the moment.
[33:22] But I will do my best to to to try to move that
[33:26] and see if we can get out of that 75 foot, 75 foot buffer.
[33:29] Okay. And then maybe the, the house itself though,
[33:33] if you could reshape that, that house,
[33:38] you could, you could potentially, you know, reconfigure it
[33:41] so that you could pull it back.
[33:43] Well that's outside the 150 feet said The, the,
[33:46] the A DU in the house is completely outside the 150 feet.
[33:49] Right. But it's still, it's still the,
[33:52] the stormwater runoff that will come off that roof is,
[33:55] is gonna go down that slope
[33:56] and it's gonna head for the wetlands.
[33:58] So I'm just looking at that.
[34:00] Okay. I mean, we have some room that we can,
[34:02] we can slide this back this way if, if needed.
[34:06] There's, there's a little bit more room for us to move
[34:08] that further away from the wetland for the building.
[34:11] It just unfortunately won't have any impact on
[34:13] where the driveway is and what's what's, no,
[34:15] I'm not, I'm not speaking about the driveway.
[34:17] I'm just speaking about the house. Okay.
[34:18] Okay. Have you guys done the, as part of your,
[34:24] your analysis, have you done
[34:25] that protected species analysis?
[34:28] Or is that, do you, do you remember if that was in your,
[34:32] you do like an animal species analysis of the area? We,
[34:35] We have not, I think it,
[34:36] it'll probably get triggered by
[34:38] DS when they, when they apply to DS, they'll have to do
[34:40] It.
[34:41] Yes. So when that you'll DES is gonna ask you
[34:42] to do like a inventory of protected species,
[34:46] just when you come back before us, just,
[34:48] just have that for us please. Okay.
[34:49] Yeah, Absolutely. Because that kind of determines like
[34:52] how big that pipe needs to be.
[34:54] Okay. We look at it kind of from two perspectives
[34:57] as a wildlife corridor and then as a, as a, as a safety,
[35:02] a safety thing for, well, well more like a wildlife corridor
[35:06] and then to make sure that the, that the drainage works.
[35:09] Anything else from us? And Eileen, I think, we'll,
[35:12] we'll be visiting this property
[35:13] after we see the kind of the second version.
[35:17] Guys, you're probably, I, I'm gonna say just
[35:20] to give you guys an idea of what, what,
[35:21] what's gonna happen at this board, right?
[35:22] So you can plan accordingly.
[35:25] You're gonna go, you're gonna go to the other two boards,
[35:27] there'll probably be some changes.
[35:29] You'll come back to us when you come back to us.
[35:32] We're gonna wanna do a site walk and then
[35:35] after that site walk, you'll come back to us one more time
[35:38] and then we can usually button it up at that third meeting
[35:41] based on what you presented, things that we,
[35:45] we see at the site walk that we, we may want to add.
[35:48] And then that, that last meeting, that third meeting,
[35:51] as long as everything goes the way it should,
[35:53] we can usually button it up then with all of our, all
[35:56] of our kind of concerns
[35:59] or, you know, suggestions, whatever it may be.
[36:02] So just so you can, in your planning, I know you,
[36:04] you're gonna, you're gonna plan this thing out.
[36:06] So just so you know what's down the street for us.
[36:08] So do do planning
[36:09] and zoning, come back to us, give us that,
[36:11] show us that revised plan.
[36:13] We're gonna meet you at the site, walk the site,
[36:16] and then at that next meeting we should be able to,
[36:20] to button it all up.
[36:21] Okay. Okay. That sound good? Commissioners?
[36:23] That all sound right? Yep. Sound good everybody? All right.
[36:26] Anything else from you guys? Nope, I think that's it.
[36:28] Alright, good. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks.
[36:30] Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
[36:32] Have great day and thank you. Thank you.
[36:41] Good.
[36:48] Alright, next piece
[36:49] of business we have gimme one second.
[37:15] Okay, next thing we have is public use of the Cornelius
[37:20] and Martin, Fernando and Ball properties.
[37:23] And we have representatives from the Ferd
[37:25] and Ando family here.
[37:28] They're gonna talk to us about some concerns they may have
[37:32] regarding the property.
[37:33] And Welcome, welcome.
[37:39] Just state your name and address for the record
[37:41] before you start talking, please. Thank you. Yeah.
[37:43] Andrew Chisholm Hamstead, New Hampshire.
[37:48] I'm Melissa Fernando, dairy New Hampshire.
[37:50] Good to see you guys. Thanks.
[37:52] Thanks for having us commissioners.
[37:54] So I have
[37:58] material here if you'd like to take a look at it.
[37:59] I can pass this along. This is the FDA FSMA program,
[38:04] which FISMA is the Food Safety Modernization Act, which was
[38:08] enforced in 2023.
[38:15] So before we start, so just give you a little background,
[38:18] Melissa and Andrew Yep.
[38:20] Set the communication to the commission regarding
[38:25] some concerns they have about the type of use that's being,
[38:28] that's happening on the properties that they, they own, that
[38:32] we have easements on that other people have easements on,
[38:34] but we'll, we'll call it a collection of properties
[38:36] that we have.
[38:39] We're all, we, we have stake we're stakeholders of them.
[38:42] We'll, we'll call it that, right? Yeah.
[38:43] Sort of stakeholders. Yeah.
[38:45] The, the document he sent out I think has
[38:48] to do specifically about dog waste
[38:50] and how dog waste affects vegetables and stuff like that
[38:53] and how that can really affect their business.
[38:56] And obviously we, we know the, for people in the, in
[39:01] that farm project is a very, very big part of our community.
[39:04] So we wanna accommodate them every way that we can.
[39:07] So that's what that book is.
[39:09] I expect you to read it all tonight.
[39:11] Cover to cover and report back.
[39:14] So that's, that's what kind of, that was the catalyst
[39:17] to this discussion.
[39:18] So we, we want to, we want to get this stuff resolved
[39:21] so we can, we can, they can do
[39:24] what they do and we do what we do.
[39:25] So go ahead, take it away, Andrew. Correct.
[39:26] Yeah. So I'll, I'll kind of give you a little history of
[39:29] where we are with fisma.
[39:31] And again, fisma Food Safety Modernization Act came out in
[39:34] 2020, but due to the COVID pandemic, it was not enforced
[39:39] and until 2023.
[39:42] So 2023 was the first year of enforcement with, with fisma
[39:48] FISMA is, is, is put up by the FDA and the USDA
[39:53] and the Commissioner
[39:54] of Agriculture here in New Hampshire, commissioner Jasper.
[39:58] It's required now compliance under,
[40:02] for farms of a certain size.
[40:04] JNF falls into that the size that is required
[40:07] to be in compliance with FISMA inspectors come out,
[40:11] take a look at the property
[40:12] and make sure that we're in compliance with it.
[40:14] That manual that you're looking at there is just kind
[40:18] of the, the, the guidelines that we have to follow
[40:20] through on that, within those, that manual
[40:24] that you have in your hands, there is the restriction for
[40:29] public access to the food, food supply.
[40:32] And as you know, there's a big
[40:35] topic within the country right now about food safety and,
[40:39] and, and foodborne pathogens
[40:42] that can get into the food supply.
[40:43] This is in regards to trying to, to, to mitigate that
[40:49] things specifically to the property
[40:51] that we're talking about now is walking trails
[40:53] that are published in the kiosks at the end of English range
[40:57] and Happy Lane Holiday Ave Holiday a the Holiday
[41:00] Ave, sorry, holiday Ave.
[41:02] There's a kiosk that publishes a, a public walking trail
[41:07] that goes directly through the corn fields,
[41:10] the pumpkin fields over at the Pingree
[41:12] Hill property that we also own.
[41:14] It goes around the food corn silage.
[41:17] That's a supply for the, the,
[41:19] the beef cattle that are over there.
[41:21] It goes through the hay silo, it goes
[41:23] through an electric fence.
[41:25] Those are all the published trails
[41:27] that are out there right now to
[41:30] remain in compliance with fsma.
[41:33] We cannot allow the public to walk through those fields
[41:38] and we cannot allow dogs to go free
[41:40] through those fields as well.
[41:42] We can't enforce that from the farm
[41:45] that somebody would be walking through those fields,
[41:48] you know, several acres away.
[41:52] The other issue with it too, FSMA requires
[41:56] we have to publish that the, the corn and all the, the crops
[42:00] and every whatnot are, are employee only access in there.
[42:04] Our employees that pick through there have to go
[42:07] through certain guidelines that can't wear jewelry, watches,
[42:11] things like that have to, they have to wash their hands
[42:14] and if we do find animal feces, we have
[42:17] to rope off a certain area and we can't pick in that area.
[42:19] If they're standing water,
[42:21] we can't pick in standing water areas.
[42:23] So there's a lot now that comes out into these FSMA
[42:25] regulations that the published trails
[42:30] that are up at the kiosks directly violate all that.
[42:34] Right now that's where we are with, with in regard to fsma.
[42:40] And again, if this was three years ago,
[42:43] we wouldn't be having this conversation, but
[42:45] because these rules came out
[42:47] and they were all enforced starting in 2023,
[42:50] this is now a, a pretty hot topic,
[42:52] Right?
[42:55] Yeah. So if they were to come out
[42:57] and somebody's out there that's not a worker
[42:59] that hasn't been through the program
[43:01] and has a dog right, we will get fined
[43:05] and possibly shut down on that whole field.
[43:08] Gotcha. Sure.
[43:10] So we weren't aware that there was,
[43:11] and again, I mean my dad just passed away,
[43:14] so this is all new stuff that we've been having to deal with
[43:18] and we weren't aware that there was walking trails
[43:20] through any of those fields for the public.
[43:23] So that brings up a big issue for us.
[43:27] Right. So, and we're sorry
[43:29] for your loss about your daddy. Yeah,
[43:31] I'm Very sorry.
[43:32] He's a great guy. Thank you. He was wonderful.
[43:34] So we, we wanna work with the Fernando family
[43:36] and get this, get this resolved.
[43:38] So Beth
[43:39] and I have been talking about this quite a bit lately
[43:44] before you folks came.
[43:47] Obviously this is probably not a problem just
[43:49] with the Ford nano property, I'm sure it's, it's becoming a,
[43:52] a, a statewide problem.
[43:53] 'cause a lot of, a lot of farms have walking trails
[43:56] through 'em and everyone's addressing it at the same time.
[43:59] We probably should hand this off to a subcommittee.
[44:04] Right. But I think we might do this a little differently if,
[44:07] if I can indulge the commissioners
[44:09] because I want to, this has to be fast tracked.
[44:12] We can't, this can't be like a a six month long process.
[44:16] We want to get this thing done now. Yeah.
[44:18] We appreciate that FSMA shows up next week.
[44:20] We don't want problems for the Fernando farm property.
[44:23] So I would, I think we should consider,
[44:29] we hand this off to a subcommittee
[44:32] and have that subcommittee make binding recommendations
[44:36] to the process rather than because of our meeting schedule.
[44:40] How, how do people feel about that?
[44:42] I think that's a good idea. Yeah.
[44:44] Okay. So, so, and I think we could find a, you know,
[44:46] sort of a middle road where you can comply
[44:49] with the regulations,
[44:50] but also the public would have a,
[44:52] a revised trail network away from the fields.
[44:54] Yeah. Right. Because that needs to happen
[44:57] because we purchased, you know,
[45:00] that conservation easement with public funds.
[45:02] So we need to have a revised trail network
[45:04] that would not impact your fields and your food operations.
[45:08] Yep. Yeah. We aren't against working
[45:11] and letting people go where they can go.
[45:14] We just can't have them in where they can Right.
[45:16] Obviously Yes. Where they can cause us trouble.
[45:18] Correct. Correct. Yes. And where dairy has no dog leash law.
[45:22] Yep. Whenever we see people with dogs up there,
[45:24] they're never on a leash.
[45:26] Of course. Right. So if they,
[45:28] And then people don't bring dog waste bags,
[45:31] which they should always carry but
[45:32] Don't fight.
[45:33] Exactly. So God forbid there's a person up there walking
[45:36] with a loose dog and we have an inspector go up there.
[45:39] Right. We're in a lot of trouble. Right?
[45:42] Yeah. And we, so we don't want that. Yeah.
[45:44] And we've already, we've Beth has already reached out
[45:47] to other stakeholders in this process.
[45:49] Salt and the people that hold the easements there.
[45:52] I'm gonna let you chime in in in one second, Beth.
[45:57] And as, as I kind of think this through, does the comm,
[46:01] does the commission, does the commission think we should
[46:03] just form a new ad hoc committee right now to address this
[46:07] and get it done and give that committee
[46:12] the authorization to make the necessary changes
[46:17] Draft to the necessary changes
[46:20] For Discussion?
[46:21] 'cause they would need to be reviewed by counsel both sides.
[46:27] 'cause you're gonna be ultimately,
[46:30] I'm gonna guess we're be ultimately amending the,
[46:34] the easement language.
[46:39] Sorry to complicate.
[46:40] No, that's precisely what I don't wanna do. Yeah.
[46:43] But I, but I think we have the authority to,
[46:48] to not make permanent changes,
[46:49] but to make emergency changes right now.
[46:51] Oh, okay. Yeah.
[46:53] That would be my guess. Yeah.
[46:54] So, so, so just to address the, the existing problem
[46:58] that we have, right?
[47:00] We're gonna have to backfill us
[47:03] and everybody else that's in this
[47:04] that's having this discussion in the state are gonna have
[47:07] to backfill the permanent solution.
[47:10] But to, to get to a, a a, an immediate right solution.
[47:17] I think we should have, we can call it temporary
[47:20] or we can call it, we can call it,
[47:22] you know, whatever we need to call it.
[47:23] But I, but I wanna do some, I want to, I want to act now
[47:28] to prevent some, some problems.
[47:32] So how do people feel about that?
[47:34] Yeah, people feel pretty good about that. Okay.
[47:37] So I volunteer to chair that committee.
[47:40] I'd like to have Beth join me in that committee.
[47:43] Who else is interested in being involved in that committee?
[47:45] I would, Eileen I would be interested in.
[47:48] And how many can we have Beth? Three. Three
[47:50] Up to three?
[47:51] Yes. Alright. So it's gonna be myself, Eileen, Bob,
[47:54] and Beth and Beth you
[47:55] don't count 'cause you're not a sitting.
[47:59] So the four of us are, are very quickly gonna come up
[48:04] with the, at least a temporary solution.
[48:09] And what it will probably be is a sign at the kiosk
[48:14] saying
[48:19] that, you know, walking within the fields
[48:23] or within a certain distance of the fields, right?
[48:25] Like we have to probably have like 50
[48:27] Foot setback or something like that.
[48:28] There's some manual there. There's some Are there setbacks?
[48:32] Yeah, there's setbacks. And there's also, I'm
[48:34] Not gonna read it.
[48:35] Tell me what it is. Is it 50, is it 50 feet?
[48:37] Does it like 50 feet? I don't, off the top of my head.
[48:39] I don't remember if it's 50 or 75 feet on on there.
[48:41] So whatever it's in there. We're gonna,
[48:43] we're gonna dot. Yeah, we'll mimic
[48:44] It.
[48:45] And then in the back of that there's some
[48:47] FSMA put out sign signage that has to go up around the farm,
[48:50] around fields
[48:51] that are within walking distance of the farm stand.
[48:54] But that would also apply in this case as well to the Yeah.
[48:56] Published walking jails.
[48:58] Yeah. We could put up like the signs that were required
[49:00] to have down by the farm says like no
[49:05] dogs no authorized.
[49:06] Like if you're not an employee you can't come in here.
[49:08] Like we could also put some signs up so people kind of know
[49:12] where it is we never did before.
[49:13] 'cause it wasn't an issue right up there.
[49:15] Because normally it's not the place the public goes
[49:18] unless they're like out picking
[49:21] something they're authorized to do.
[49:23] So you're saying that FISMA has the,
[49:24] has the regulations right? In that book?
[49:27] Yeah, they do. Yeah. So maybe
[49:28] We can make this easier than I thought.
[49:29] So so why don't we, why don't we consider right now having a
[49:32] vote saying that we're gonna adopt the best practices
[49:37] in the FIS b re FISMA regulation book.
[49:41] And Beth, you can help me with which
[49:42] properties are, are the ones we have.
[49:43] You can help me with that, right?
[49:44] The properties that we have.
[49:45] So how do people feel about that?
[49:46] Do you want to adopt the FSMA
[49:51] regulations in relation to this property?
[49:58] Excuse me one second. Just one second. Go
[50:00] Ahead.
[50:01] While you're doing that, if I could put it in my 2 cents
[50:03] that that that would, the commissioner of agriculture here,
[50:06] commissioner Jasper would, would be happy with that.
[50:08] That I think would check off all the boxes.
[50:10] Just adopting the FSMA regulations.
[50:13] Are the four properties listed on our agenda,
[50:16] are those the only properties affected?
[50:19] You mentioned Pingree Hill, is that, is that
[50:21] Yeah.
[50:22] The old Auburn Road that has the walking trail going
[50:24] through like the feed in the silo
[50:28] and then through our electric fence.
[50:30] So the electric fence obviously would be
[50:35] a safety thing for somebody going through there.
[50:38] Right. But the other area is where we have corn planted
[50:41] and then where the other, the cows feed is,
[50:43] there's a walking trail through that
[50:45] and then it's the properties off
[50:48] English Range Road English range.
[50:50] Okay.
[51:08] Is that a question? Yep. Bob,
[51:12] Is that book yours?
[51:13] And you're sharing it with us?
[51:15] Yes. Yes. Yeah. So
[51:17] Mr.
[51:18] Chairman, I'd recommend that we get a copy Yeah.
[51:21] For and we can look through town. Okay.
[51:24] Yeah, we can get you a copy of that. Yeah.
[51:26] I also will 'cause watch here, we can't just look
[51:29] through this, browse through it.
[51:31] Yeah. Have lot. I use that as an example.
[51:33] So you can see how extensive these fees regulations are.
[51:37] We need to know what's going on.
[51:39] I'm Sure you're sharing it with us, but it Yeah, yeah,
[51:42] Yeah, yeah.
[51:43] We're, we're pretty well up to speed on it. Yeah.
[51:46] It's, it's a tick book. Yeah.
[51:48] Alright, so, so after talking to our council liaison,
[51:53] we're gonna pivot back to the, to the ad hoc committee
[51:56] because we,
[51:59] we probably are gonna need approval from, well we, we may
[52:02] or may not need approval from someone else.
[52:05] And that if, if we just have that ad hoc committee have
[52:11] the authority to to, to do it,
[52:15] we don't have to wait for another meeting
[52:17] to, to vote it through.
[52:19] So let's go back to that.
[52:21] Let's go back to the ad hoc committee that's gonna work
[52:24] with the property owner
[52:31] to satisfy the FSMA regulations.
[52:41] So I think the motion should be that we authorize
[52:48] a, we're gonna call it an emergency committee
[52:56] to establish guidelines on which property?
[53:00] Beth?
[53:01] Yeah. So it's the Fernando property,
[53:06] the Cornelius and farm property
[53:09] and the Martin farm property.
[53:11] So the Fernando property, the Cornelius and property
[53:14] and the Martin farm property. Do we do
[53:16] We include up farm farms and ball farm also is there
[53:21] and I Oh yes you do have, you have active
[53:24] crop fields there as well?
[53:26] Yeah. So the ball property as well. We
[53:29] Include the pingree too, since they mentioned that.
[53:31] That's the Martin farm. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's the
[53:33] Part.
[53:34] Oh, Martin farm is different I think
[53:36] than Pingree isn't it?
[53:37] Is the ball. Oh, it's the field.
[53:40] You get to the top of the hill
[53:41] and it's that slope that's facing North River.
[53:46] It's Cornfield. Yes. Yeah.
[53:52] Just outta curiosity from your knowledge of what that says.
[53:57] After the fields have been harvested,
[54:00] can public go on them at that point
[54:03] Then we get into cover crop
[54:05] and a lot of times cover crop is used as feed for the,
[54:09] the beef and dairy cows also.
[54:11] So you get into kind of a,
[54:14] a very small window into when they can, it says, FISMA says
[54:17] that during harvest season of the crops and growing season.
[54:21] So that would be, you know, we're, yeah,
[54:23] we're right in the middle of harvest season right now,
[54:25] but you get into cover crop season as well.
[54:27] And that's, there's rye up there
[54:29] and there's a lot of times there'll be
[54:32] different cover crops that's turned into hay silage. Yep.
[54:37] Okay. I'm just curious.
[54:42] You think you got it? I think so.
[54:46] Okay. Commissioners, are we on,
[54:49] everybody on board with this?
[54:50] We're gonna establish a ad hoc committee to work
[54:55] with the Fernando Farm Project
[54:57] and establish some guidelines
[55:04] on public use on those properties.
[55:10] And that committee's gonna have authority
[55:12] to make those changes and then we'll work,
[55:15] work towards a long term, a longer term.
[55:19] That sound good? Yeah. Okay. Alright.
[55:22] Mr. Metz, take it away.
[55:24] Wait, I'm writing. Okay.
[55:32] Tammy, you'll never be able to read this.
[55:33] So move
[55:36] to establish an emergency ad hoc committee to
[55:41] prepare guidelines for the Fernando, Cornelius Martin
[55:44] and Ball properties, using the FSMA regulations
[55:48] to form guidelines for public access
[55:51] to the aforementioned properties
[55:55] As motional floors.
[55:56] Is there a second? Second. It's second.
[55:58] By Cheryl, I'm gonna ask for a roll call on this.
[56:02] Starting to my right?
[56:05] Yes. Yes, Yes,
[56:08] Yes, Yes,
[56:10] Yes, yes.
[56:12] Chair votes? Yes. Okay. That committee.
[56:17] Let's do one more motion on the people on that committee.
[56:21] Mr. Foot, will you join us in that committee? Yes. Okay.
[56:25] Alright. So motion to have the committee be as such.
[56:29] It'll be chaired by Rico, the chairman
[56:32] members will be Eileen and Bob
[56:35] and liaisons will be Beth and Charlie.
[56:39] I get a motion to that. So moved. We a first.
[56:42] Is there a second? Second First by Mr.
[56:45] Met, second by Cheryl. Les in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed?
[56:48] Abstention. Great. Alright, so we'll get it solved.
[56:52] Thank Great. Give us a little window to get it done.
[56:55] I, we, we just have to check with the powers
[56:58] that be on the town side to see how much authority we have.
[57:02] But I, I'm assuming that we have all the authority we need.
[57:05] Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. Great. Thank you.
[57:07] So Beth, you're be, that's gonna be your point of contact.
[57:10] Okay? So work with her, okay? Yep.
[57:12] Yep. Thank you.
[57:14] Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. Give his book back.
[57:19] I know you don't
[57:20] Want keep it. I wish you had another one. Do
[57:21] You have another one?
[57:22] What? No, no, we get, we can get it.
[57:23] We gave us that at the
[57:24] training meeting. We had to go see if
[57:26] You get or see if we, if we can get one back.
[57:28] I actually do have my dad's copy. Are
[57:29] We giving this back to you or are you Yeah, we can,
[57:31] So I could get that and get it to you can
[57:33] Give you Phil copy.
[57:34] Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.
[57:38] Thanks for coming. Thanks. Thanks.
[57:46] So the scope of that is, yeah.
[57:52] Thank you. Another Thank
[57:56] You both. Thank
[57:57] You.
[57:58] Thank you. Thanks.
[58:02] It's like anything Jay. Alright.
[58:07] Five minutes of eight. I want everybody to note the time
[58:12] 'cause we still have a lot, lot of stuff to cover.
[58:15] Is it, is this gentleman?
[58:17] Sir, are you here to speak
[58:18] on anything or you just observing?
[58:20] I came here to ask you speak
[58:21] Today.
[58:22] Okay. Huh? Wait,
[58:24] before you do, why don't you stay over there for a minute?
[58:34] Hmm. Right now It's always there.
[58:39] Yeah, it's always there.
[58:49] I actually,
[58:54] who's in charge of,
[59:15] Okay.
[59:16] We need to have a vote to open a public hearing.
[59:19] So we need a motion for that
[59:23] Move to open a public hearing.
[59:25] Second. Second. Who is the second? Eileen? Second for?
[59:28] Alright. Motion by Mr. Metz, second by Eileen.
[59:30] We're gonna open a public hearing for how many minutes Mr.
[59:33] Metz?
[59:35] Max of 15. Okay.
[59:36] Alright, so we have a public,
[59:37] we're gonna open a public hearing for 15 minutes.
[59:39] We have a constituent that'd like to address the commission.
[59:42] Come on. Officer state your name
[59:43] for the record and your address please.
[59:53] Can you hear me all right? You can, yeah.
[59:54] Yeah. My name is Greg Boyko. B-O-I-K-O.
[59:59] I live at 10 Jo Lane Dairy, New Hampshire.
[1:00:02] I've been a resident of dairy for I think, 43 years.
[1:00:05] If, if my math's correct, maybe a little longer.
[1:00:10] I'm concerned right now about a couple of things.
[1:00:13] I actually spent the day on the town forest today
[1:00:18] 'cause it's my property abuts the town forest.
[1:00:21] And I'm basically concerned about the building activity at,
[1:00:26] at the address called 12 Jewel Lane.
[1:00:30] I've actually been to DES once.
[1:00:32] They said they had nothing on that
[1:00:35] and actually talked to the town council, the administrator.
[1:00:40] And he got in touch with code enforcements
[1:00:44] and they came down
[1:00:46] and they assured me that they're on top of it.
[1:00:48] And they have also talked to DES
[1:00:52] and I don't wanna take a lot of your time.
[1:00:55] I'm not prepared, you know, this makes me nervous.
[1:00:59] Don't get me wrong. My son is gonna kill me
[1:01:01] 'cause I'm gonna have a heart attack.
[1:01:02] 'cause my blood pressure's gonna go through the roof.
[1:01:05] Well relax. You're gonna have,
[1:01:06] you don't have to be nervous here.
[1:01:07] We're all friendly so I can go tell, tell us what's up.
[1:01:10] When co enforcement people came up there, they,
[1:01:13] they made me feel very, very assured.
[1:01:15] They said that DES was involved
[1:01:18] and they're gonna look into it.
[1:01:20] What I'm concerned about right now is,
[1:01:24] 'cause I don't know, the answers to these things is who's in
[1:01:26] charge of soil erosion?
[1:01:31] Who, who monitors that?
[1:01:32] Is it during, during, is it during building?
[1:01:35] Are they building something there?
[1:01:37] They have filled, which I have files here,
[1:01:42] I don't wanna swear, but they have filled, well they told me
[1:01:46] that they took out 200 loads of fill
[1:01:50] and dur from the exit fore project,
[1:01:54] which is all like stone and boulders and dur.
[1:01:57] So they built a house there. Is that? Yes.
[1:01:59] They're, they, they started to build a house.
[1:02:01] Oh yeah. So that would be
[1:02:02] code enforcement. They're, they're the people.
[1:02:03] Right. But they came, but I wanted, I
[1:02:05] actually got in touch with DES
[1:02:07] and I figured I would,
[1:02:09] I would just wanna have an email address
[1:02:11] so I can email the whole board
[1:02:12] for the exactly the same files that I sent them.
[1:02:16] Okay. So you could, you can do that. You can do that.
[1:02:18] The email would come to me
[1:02:19] and then I would disseminate it
[1:02:21] to the, to the commissioners.
[1:02:22] We can't, we can't have emails to a lot
[1:02:25] of different people at once because
[1:02:26] it becomes a public meeting.
[1:02:27] Yeah. So you can, you can, you can send it to me
[1:02:29] and you can get my email right off.
[1:02:31] All I need is that address. Yeah,
[1:02:32] you can get it right off the town website.
[1:02:33] It's a link. Okay. You can just put, hit the link
[1:02:35] and it'll automatically send it to me.
[1:02:37] Okay. Yeah. Also, if there's a wetlands permit,
[1:02:40] which there should be.
[1:02:42] I, I remember us going out there
[1:02:44] and there was gonna be some filling of a stream
[1:02:47] since there's a wetlands permit.
[1:02:49] The DES would also have control over soil erosion.
[1:02:52] What I'm finding is a lot of confusion.
[1:02:55] The town wanted him to build the house someplace else,
[1:02:59] but he decided on a different place.
[1:03:01] I know I actually came to this meeting before and spoke
[1:03:04] 'cause they wanted to change the
[1:03:07] pedestrian easement. Right,
[1:03:08] Right, right.
[1:03:09] I remember that very well. Yes. Yep.
[1:03:11] And I came and spoke in favor of that.
[1:03:13] And I wasn't in favor of having the pedestrian easement,
[1:03:17] but I'm having a large
[1:03:23] change of heart after witnessing what's
[1:03:26] like right out my door.
[1:03:28] I don't have to go outside. I can just look out my window.
[1:03:31] Wow. And I'm, I know I, I'm going to have
[1:03:36] to contact an attorney, which I plan
[1:03:37] on going to see one anyway.
[1:03:41] The 'cause like I said, I'm, I've actually been
[1:03:45] to court on this property
[1:03:46] before where some people I thought they were
[1:03:50] dumping tire rims.
[1:03:54] Tire rims. But it turns out they were, they,
[1:03:57] the people had stolen the welding tanks from
[1:04:01] Wyndham Welding Supply and the kids stole the welding tanks.
[1:04:04] 'cause they wanted the nitrous oxide.
[1:04:07] And I had to, I was a witness for the, the town prosecutor
[1:04:13] subpoenaed me to come to court for that.
[1:04:15] So I know that property intimately.
[1:04:17] Oh, you have my you have my email address.
[1:04:19] You can send me that email. Yeah.
[1:04:20] That's all I wanna do. That's
[1:04:21] All I wanna do.
[1:04:22] Send me that email and if I, and, and, and,
[1:04:24] and I'll dis I'll send it
[1:04:25] to the appropriate people on our side. That's all I
[1:04:27] Really want To, I, I appreciate you coming.
[1:04:29] Thanks for coming out and speaking. Thank you very much.
[1:04:31] You can come here. You don't have
[1:04:32] to be nervous to come here.
[1:04:33] We're we're, we're easy, easy to talk to.
[1:04:35] I'm sorry. I'm almost 70 years old.
[1:04:37] Wet have to be. Sorry about that. Oh, don't
[1:04:39] Be don't be sorry.
[1:04:40] Please don't be sorry. We're all
[1:04:41] Working on that.
[1:04:43] Alright. Thank you for coming.
[1:04:45] Thank you. I'm just nervous. Yeah, sure
[1:04:47] Will be.
[1:04:48] Send that email and I'll make sure that I, I look it over.
[1:04:50] Okay. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Thank you, sir.
[1:04:51] Thank you so much for coming. Thank you.
[1:04:53] Thanks. All right.
[1:04:55] So we need a motion to close the public hearing. Motion
[1:04:57] To close the public hearing. Is there
[1:04:58] Second?
[1:04:59] Second. First. By Mr. Met. Second by Eileen.
[1:05:01] All is in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions.
[1:05:05] Public hearing is closed next door.
[1:05:07] Our business is committee and liaison.
[1:05:09] Reports up to five minutes. Please go.
[1:05:13] Go to the five minutes. 'cause again, it's 8 0 5.
[1:05:15] We are gonna have a non-public tonight. The Red Sox are on.
[1:05:20] I want at least see the night. Night.
[1:05:23] So community gardens. Jay, go ahead.
[1:05:26] Okay. Harvesting is in full swing.
[1:05:30] Anyone wants some tomatoes help themselves
[1:05:34] and we are planning a harvest event.
[1:05:38] We're gonna have a me a meeting at the end of this meeting
[1:05:41] with our subcommittee briefly to, I
[1:05:45] drafted a proposed scheme for the event,
[1:05:51] which will include the friends
[1:05:53] and family of the gardeners who have plots there.
[1:05:58] And we're gonna celebrate the harvest and discuss the season
[1:06:04] and just share, share our time
[1:06:09] and talk about a few business items
[1:06:11] and proposals for the, for the garden that we
[1:06:15] might wanna implement
[1:06:17] and get the feedback from, from our gardeners.
[1:06:22] So that's, that's the latest event.
[1:06:24] Meanwhile, we're just in full swing.
[1:06:26] The gardens are amazing.
[1:06:28] They, the corn is growing 10, 11, 12
[1:06:33] feet high and sunflowers are folding over.
[1:06:37] They're so huge and it's a great season.
[1:06:40] It's been a good, good season for the weather
[1:06:43] and we're, we're grateful for those amendments that we're
[1:06:48] put in and we're enjoying
[1:06:52] it. That's all.
[1:06:56] Any questions for Jay? Thank you Jay.
[1:07:00] Thank you. I'll wait.
[1:07:04] I'm back. All right. Next report is Mr. Metz personnel
[1:07:10] Chairman Bazinga.
[1:07:11] And I haven't seen much of each other in the
[1:07:12] last couple months, but I miss you.
[1:07:13] I miss you. Terrible. We, we need to get, get together
[1:07:17] to do bets annual and Tammy's first review.
[1:07:20] Yeah. Okay. We only, or one and only review.
[1:07:23] Yeah. How about we'll get that
[1:07:25] Soon.
[1:07:26] How about October for those? We can do that. Okay. October.
[1:07:29] October. Okay. Let's schedule it for October.
[1:07:34] What else you got Rick?
[1:07:36] TRC. The latest TRC came before us tonight.
[1:07:41] We do have one on Friday, which is a redo of a property.
[1:07:44] I believe we looked at about a year ago. Three.
[1:07:47] Poor farm road. So Beth, did I send that to you?
[1:07:51] You did, yep. Okay, got it on my calendar.
[1:07:52] So it's eight o'clock Friday morning,
[1:07:54] so I'll have information on that when we get back.
[1:07:59] Alright. Cheryl, public outreach.
[1:08:01] So we, we had a tent at the,
[1:08:05] at the farmer's market last Wednesday.
[1:08:08] And that actually went really, really well.
[1:08:10] And I really wanna thank Beth.
[1:08:12] I was in between Beth and Linda
[1:08:13] and my son was selling bread over there,
[1:08:15] so it was really a fun, fun day.
[1:08:17] We, we got a good number of names to add to our email list.
[1:08:21] It was probably about half a dozen, right?
[1:08:22] Beth or so would you say? Yep. About half a dozen.
[1:08:24] But they were genuinely in, it was a good half dozen
[1:08:27] that are, that seemed gen,
[1:08:29] genuinely interested in doing trail maintenance.
[1:08:33] A couple of the people were new to the community
[1:08:36] and they really had the, the motive of saying, I wanna get
[1:08:39] to know people in the community and I care about this.
[1:08:42] So those two things go together.
[1:08:43] So that's kind of a nice little like hint
[1:08:45] for us in the future for outreach.
[1:08:47] People that are coming to the community
[1:08:48] and this is an interest of theirs.
[1:08:50] So you kind of have both things happening there.
[1:08:53] A lot of good stories from people and,
[1:08:55] and I think we were following up on, you know, expressing
[1:08:59] that to them that we, we have a,
[1:09:01] a trail cleanup coming in the fall.
[1:09:03] Like we had, we had to cancel the one
[1:09:04] because of the storm, so that was coming.
[1:09:06] So, you know, I think in that way it was really successful
[1:09:08] and it was a good idea to be there.
[1:09:10] And yeah, looking forward to seeing maybe some
[1:09:13] of those people at some events or some child cleanup.
[1:09:18] Thank you Cheryl? Eileen State Compliance.
[1:09:22] Okay. I Do You rename that committee? Oh
[1:09:24] Yes, we did.
[1:09:25] Changed that. Is it called though
[1:09:28] The Environmental Policy and Training Committee?
[1:09:31] Yeah, that sounds better. Okay. I have a few things.
[1:09:35] One is, I don't know if everyone saw the N-H-A-C-C
[1:09:39] newsletter for this month,
[1:09:41] but one of the, one of the hot topics on there was
[1:09:46] what is Conservation commission's role in land management?
[1:09:49] It said RSA 36 A four specifies any interest in
[1:09:53] land acquired in the name of the municipality
[1:09:57] by the Conservation Commission, be managed
[1:10:00] and controlled end quote by the commission.
[1:10:03] When a commission has responsibility for a parcel,
[1:10:06] a concrete, individually designed management plan
[1:10:09] or stewardship plan is recommended to ensure protection
[1:10:13] of its unique natural areas.
[1:10:15] The reason I mentioned that is it, it kind
[1:10:18] of spurred my interest
[1:10:19] because we,
[1:10:21] we've started certainly on having an NRI at Broadview
[1:10:25] with our BioBlitz.
[1:10:27] We should do more of that for our other properties.
[1:10:29] We should be engaged in trying
[1:10:31] to get some natural resource inventories and some,
[1:10:34] and we have for other properties.
[1:10:36] We've done forestry management plans as well
[1:10:38] for like the Doolittle property
[1:10:39] and I think one other that we did some forestry on Yeah.
[1:10:43] The one carris over the years
[1:10:45] called car, but it's called something
[1:10:46] Else now, I think.
[1:10:47] Yeah. So we should start getting engaged in,
[1:10:49] in doing some of those plans.
[1:10:51] And the CW PP is a huge
[1:10:52] Version of that.
[1:10:53] That's also, yeah. Of that, that's also an excellent start.
[1:10:56] Yep. Also very important is upcoming.
[1:11:01] We have the annual meeting of the N-H-A-C-C on
[1:11:06] Saturday, November 7th, 2026 at Pembroke Academy.
[1:11:11] And I've mentioned this for the entire commission,
[1:11:15] but especially for new commissioners,
[1:11:16] it's very, very important.
[1:11:17] They have special sessions just for new commissioners
[1:11:21] and you really ought to step aboard and,
[1:11:22] and get registered for this.
[1:11:25] The town does pay for us to attend, so
[1:11:28] please consider attending.
[1:11:30] They're gonna be presenting 24 program sessions this year
[1:11:34] on a variety of topics.
[1:11:35] And the keynote speaker is Anthea LaValley
[1:11:39] and Lindsey Ssta from the Hubbard Brook Ecosystem study,
[1:11:44] which is an important New Hampshire initiative
[1:11:49] that we can learn from.
[1:11:50] What was the date of that again? Eileen? What?
[1:11:53] November 7th. What was the date again?
[1:11:54] The what? The date.
[1:11:56] Oh, the date is Saturday November 7th, 2026.
[1:12:00] It will be an all day thing from like eight o'clock
[1:12:02] to about four and it we'll have lunch
[1:12:06] and you'll be able to enroll in three different
[1:12:09] courses during the day.
[1:12:11] Okay. And they may,
[1:12:13] I'm not sure this last year they included some field trips.
[1:12:16] I don't know if they'll be doing that again.
[1:12:18] It was pretty, you know, pretty successful last year.
[1:12:20] So it may include some field trips, I'm not sure.
[1:12:25] But please consider putting that in your calendar
[1:12:28] and registering for that.
[1:12:31] Also of note was for the DES as of July 1st,
[1:12:35] wetlands permit application fees increased from $400 to $600
[1:12:41] as a result of the passage of the 26 27 state budget.
[1:12:47] Also, DES is launching a modern online portal
[1:12:51] that's gonna eventually take the place of one stop.
[1:12:54] It's gonna be called the New Hampshire and Viro
[1:12:57] and it will still have one stop data
[1:12:59] and information that will over time replace one stop
[1:13:03] and also New Hampshire online forms websites.
[1:13:07] And the first module
[1:13:10] that will be in the new system will be the DSS a o OT bureau
[1:13:14] of the app Alteration of terrain permits will be the first
[1:13:18] to be placed into the new system.
[1:13:22] And that's all I have.
[1:13:25] Thank you Eileen. Property Management,
[1:13:31] Beth and I continue to check boxes.
[1:13:36] I have to really thank DPW
[1:13:38] and kind of our, our, our renewed relationship with them.
[1:13:43] They've, they've become very responsive to
[1:13:47] things that we need.
[1:13:50] So I'm sure Beth will cover
[1:13:53] some of that stuff in her report.
[1:13:55] But yeah, we we're continuing to check boxes when people
[1:13:58] on our properties when, when there's things that need
[1:14:01] to be done and, and a lot of the time we're getting 'em done
[1:14:04] for little, little or no cost because of the DPW.
[1:14:08] So that's, that's nice.
[1:14:10] That's a nice change that we didn't have years ago.
[1:14:15] That's all I have. And Bob, you're up with land maintenance?
[1:14:19] Yep. We were rained out for all,
[1:14:25] but we put one of the other days to good use,
[1:14:28] sat the other night and discussed
[1:14:30] what we thought should be on the kiosks.
[1:14:35] First one being Cornelius in,
[1:14:37] but obviously that's gonna change dramatically now.
[1:14:40] So that's it.
[1:14:44] Thank you Bob. Reporting compliance
[1:14:48] and net zero task force of both Val who's, who's gone.
[1:14:53] Catherine our newest member has agreed
[1:14:55] to jump into those roles.
[1:14:58] Catherine, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask actually, Beth,
[1:15:01] can you ask Val if she's willing to have some communication
[1:15:05] with Catherine on the, on the reporting compliance
[1:15:09] and net zero task force so they can kind
[1:15:11] of collaborate on that?
[1:15:14] Does that sound good? Yeah.
[1:15:15] That way you get it right from Val Val's a really active
[1:15:17] commissioner, she'll be missed,
[1:15:19] but I'm happy that she's buying a house.
[1:15:21] Yeah, sound good? Yeah, so
[1:15:24] I've been, I've been communicating
[1:15:27] with Val about the guide book.
[1:15:29] Oh Good. Awesome. And I'm willing
[1:15:31] to take that on as well. Yeah,
[1:15:33] Good.
[1:15:34] Thank you. I appreciate it. Awesome.
[1:15:35] Well And we have Mr.
[1:15:39] Foot, the council liaison report.
[1:15:42] Thank you Chair. I will yield. It's been a quiet summer.
[1:15:45] We're getting back into business September 1st.
[1:15:48] Alright, good. Good. Thank you. Land manager report.
[1:15:52] Beth, you haven't done anything in the past month, right?
[1:15:55] Nothing.
[1:15:58] Yeah, so just some upcoming dates.
[1:16:01] So the CWPP is gonna be presented
[1:16:05] at a public hearing at the town council meeting
[1:16:07] on September 15th.
[1:16:09] So that's pretty exciting. That's been a long time coming.
[1:16:13] The Parkland Medical Center reached out
[1:16:16] and they have a group of volunteers who want
[1:16:18] to help us poll some bittersweet at Broadview.
[1:16:22] And we have a proposed dates for those of Thursday,
[1:16:27] September 17th from three to 6:00 PM
[1:16:31] and a rain date of the following Tuesday, September 22nd.
[1:16:35] And then we also had another group,
[1:16:39] Aurora Weatherby, who has been here to speak
[1:16:42] before, reached out on behalf
[1:16:43] of the Southern New Hampshire chapter
[1:16:45] of the Democratic Socialists of America saying
[1:16:48] that they have a group of people also who would like
[1:16:51] to volunteer and do some trail cleanups.
[1:16:53] So we are gonna have them, you know,
[1:16:56] we're gonna let everybody on our email list
[1:16:59] and those groups know when we have this event, now
[1:17:02] that we have the date finalized of September 17th,
[1:17:07] we also that that next day on Friday,
[1:17:12] September 18th, Matt Tar
[1:17:14] with the UNH extension is gonna lead a tour of broad view.
[1:17:17] So we'll be very active on broad view that week.
[1:17:21] He has been to broad view and given us some guidance before
[1:17:25] and so he'll be able to, to come give a tour of the property
[1:17:29] and we're still trying
[1:17:30] to work out a rain date for that as well.
[1:17:34] As Bob mentioned, the trail work at the ball property was
[1:17:37] canceled due to thunderstorms,
[1:17:39] but that was kind of a blessing
[1:17:41] 'cause now we're gonna figure out, you know,
[1:17:43] how the trails need to, what, what those need to look like
[1:17:46] in regard to these FSMA rules.
[1:17:51] And then I wanted to mention to commissioners
[1:17:53] who had some concerns about the DES notifications
[1:17:57] and not seeing them very often between, you know,
[1:18:01] meetings since we're going long.
[1:18:03] So I did reach out to DES
[1:18:06] and they said that the 20 days mentioned in the notices is
[1:18:09] intended for the recipient, not for commissioners.
[1:18:12] So you commissioners have as long as you need.
[1:18:15] There's no, she said there's no time limit for commissioners
[1:18:18] to give comment on those.
[1:18:21] And that also, if you want to view
[1:18:26] any of those, you know, the notice notifications
[1:18:30] as Eileen mentioned, I didn't realize
[1:18:32] that one stop was being replaced,
[1:18:33] but I can, I can send you the link for, it's just ds nh.gov
[1:18:38] and then one stop navigation
[1:18:41] and there's a PDF there that'll show you how
[1:18:43] to find what you're looking for.
[1:18:44] So if you're ever looking for those notifications.
[1:18:49] And then as Rick mentioned, there was a tree
[1:18:52] that was blocking the trail at Broadview
[1:18:55] that was taken care of by DPW.
[1:18:57] And I followed up with Clint Havens about that
[1:19:01] and he said that they were able to use it
[1:19:02] as a training opportunity for some newer employees
[1:19:06] who don't have as much experience with a chainsaw.
[1:19:09] So that was a great win-win.
[1:19:12] And that, and he, I just spoke with him today about,
[1:19:15] he was asking no, didn't you have some work that we needed
[1:19:17] to do at the ball property?
[1:19:19] So they're waiting in the wings ready to help us. Okay.
[1:19:25] And, okay, so we had a request from
[1:19:28] the main botanical gardens to collect seed
[1:19:32] of four leaves milkweed at one
[1:19:35] of our conservation properties.
[1:19:37] I will not name the conservation property in public just
[1:19:40] because this is like a rare and endangered species.
[1:19:43] So we want to kind of protect it
[1:19:48] and we'll actually I'll be having a conversation
[1:19:51] with the women who are in charge of that project
[1:19:56] to work out
[1:19:58] how we can share about this on our social media
[1:20:01] and actually publicize this great thing
[1:20:04] without compromising the safety of the, of the plant there
[1:20:10] Beth? There's more to that.
[1:20:11] There is, yes. They're gonna tell about how they,
[1:20:14] they put it in the seed bank and all that stuff. Yeah,
[1:20:16] I think that's kind of cool.
[1:20:17] So I have a letter here from them, which is,
[1:20:23] I, I can read the whole thing.
[1:20:25] I suppose I would probably be
[1:20:27] No who part was that?
[1:20:28] They're gonna, they, they catalog it
[1:20:29] and they put it in like the National Seed Bank and
[1:20:31] Yeah.
[1:20:32] And stuff like that. So if it says if permission were
[1:20:34] granted, seed would be grown in our propagation facility
[1:20:36] and plants would be added to our sleepiest
[1:20:38] conservation collection.
[1:20:40] The living collection will conserve
[1:20:42] and showcase salu of the diversity of milkweeds.
[1:20:46] And so, and it will serve as an
[1:20:49] XC two conservation planting.
[1:20:51] So that's like when they take it away from the place
[1:20:54] where it's naturally growing
[1:20:55] and just kind of like conserve it in, you know,
[1:20:58] in like a botanical garden the way they're doing.
[1:21:02] Yeah. So they're gonna collect seed and, and propagate it
[1:21:05] and help further the species
[1:21:07] And then the supply us with the report of it, of,
[1:21:10] of the process and stuff like that.
[1:21:11] Right. Is that at the end of the letter?
[1:21:14] That is, yes.
[1:21:18] We would be sure to follow up with an annual report
[1:21:21] to document what plant material was collected
[1:21:23] and any additional information you would like.
[1:21:25] So that's that part of that.
[1:21:26] Any additional information you would like is part of
[1:21:29] what we'll be discussing this coming Thursday.
[1:21:32] Yeah, and that'll, we can, well that that'll, we will put
[1:21:35] that information in with that property.
[1:21:37] So we'll have it kind
[1:21:38] of in perpetuity, which is kind of cool. I like that.
[1:21:41] Yep. Okay,
[1:21:44] so we have a request from a resident who wants
[1:21:48] to do a metal detecting at Broadview
[1:21:50] and reached out to Counselor Foot who reached out to
[1:21:55] Mike Fowler to ask, you know,
[1:21:58] what are there rules around this?
[1:22:00] And, and do, can we make some rules around this?
[1:22:04] So per the town administrator,
[1:22:07] the town does not have a formal policy on metal
[1:22:10] detecting on town property.
[1:22:12] And DCC has every right to create a policy
[1:22:17] about that if they would like to.
[1:22:20] So my concern about this is when, when it came in,
[1:22:23] I originally thought that this is just a person
[1:22:25] that's gonna do some metal detecting.
[1:22:26] We wanna make sure he is not going to
[1:22:29] dig a big hole and return.
[1:22:32] One of the things that I thought of was first
[1:22:33] as we find something of, of value, either historic
[1:22:38] or monetary, who does it belong to?
[1:22:39] And then as I thought more about it,
[1:22:44] there's probably some eyes on this.
[1:22:47] So when we, when we tell this this person what he can
[1:22:50] and can't do at our properties, I'm guessing he belongs
[1:22:54] to some association of other people that do metal detecting
[1:22:57] and that information will get shared.
[1:22:59] And so as a catalyst,
[1:23:01] I think we should probably develop a policy
[1:23:04] and I thought that Bob probably knows, knows
[1:23:06] that maybe the state already has a policy
[1:23:08] or something like that on metal detecting on state lands.
[1:23:11] So I asked Beth to reach out to Bob
[1:23:14] and we should adopt, you know, this is an opportunity for us
[1:23:18] to adopt some regulations around this.
[1:23:21] I think metal detecting is becoming more and more popular.
[1:23:24] We don't want people digging giant holes on our properties.
[1:23:27] So we, and there's a, what's it called?
[1:23:32] The custody rule of, of what's found on the property?
[1:23:35] Oh yeah, there's, you know, there's probably some sort of,
[1:23:38] there's, there's gotta be some language.
[1:23:39] So I'm not, I don't want
[1:23:41] to get into it tonight at this meeting,
[1:23:42] but I've asked Beth to talk to you
[1:23:45] and find out what the state Yeah.
[1:23:46] What the state's doing. And then we will bring
[1:23:48] that up at the next meeting.
[1:23:50] I think to reply to this gentleman, Beth,
[1:23:54] maybe we can say we're, we're in the process
[1:23:56] of adopting some rules on what's allowed
[1:23:58] and as soon as we've adopted those rules, we will give them
[1:24:01] to you and, and something like that.
[1:24:04] Sound good? Yeah.
[1:24:07] Okay. Okay.
[1:24:09] Thanks. And then, let's see, we do have, so
[1:24:14] I met with the stakeholders involved in the Ashley Drive
[1:24:19] easement and we discussed
[1:24:22] and agreed upon some language for the
[1:24:27] conservation easement that, which
[1:24:30] does not have public access, if you remember there.
[1:24:33] Or it has public access with permission
[1:24:36] of the conservation commission only.
[1:24:38] So there's that provision in there,
[1:24:41] but we wanted to make sure that it was clearly posted so
[1:24:45] that people know, you know, what they are
[1:24:47] and are not allowed to do.
[1:24:48] So the language for the sign that we came up with
[1:24:51] that you can all, you know, discuss is
[1:24:57] restricted conservation area
[1:25:00] and then a new line, no public access, new line contact,
[1:25:05] dairy conservation commission, new line
[1:25:07] and then the town phone number.
[1:25:10] So I didn't love that, that sign that they came up with.
[1:25:13] So I had a suggestion that I'd like to share with you guys.
[1:25:18] So where it says no public access, I wanted it to change it
[1:25:22] to no public access
[1:25:26] without authorization.
[1:25:28] And then under that, every conservation commission and the,
[1:25:31] and the number, how does that sound to people?
[1:25:35] Yeah, so so the way it would work is we would vote on
[1:25:38] that tonight, send it back to the stakeholders
[1:25:42] and they're either gonna accept it or not accept it.
[1:25:44] I think they probably will.
[1:25:47] I thought they didn't want public access.
[1:25:48] That's what I, that's
[1:25:50] what I away from that meeting we had with
[1:25:52] Them.
[1:25:53] Yeah, they don't But we got a carve out.
[1:25:55] Did we? We Did. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:25:57] We got a carve out that with authorization
[1:26:01] that we would have access.
[1:26:03] Yeah. You remember that?
[1:26:04] That was kinda late in the game. I,
[1:26:06] Yeah, I didn't, I didn't remember that. It
[1:26:07] Was the last one call.
[1:26:08] Yeah, it was the last thing and it was, it was sticky.
[1:26:10] They didn't want to grant it, but I think
[1:26:12] but I, I, I think we, we wanted it so we got it.
[1:26:15] We did. Yeah.
[1:26:16] So I think we should, it's still gonna say no public assets
[1:26:19] without authorization.
[1:26:20] So people walk up to the sign,
[1:26:22] they know they can't just walk in without calling first and,
[1:26:25] and we did reserve it more
[1:26:28] for like educational purposes Yes.
[1:26:29] And stuff like that. Okay. So no one's gonna research,
[1:26:32] no one's gonna be playing paintball back there, but,
[1:26:35] But it doesn't preclude that possibility.
[1:26:37] If that comes up. It doesn't, that leaves that open. But
[1:26:40] We have to authorize it.
[1:26:41] But it will, it will allow perhaps more
[1:26:44] If we want to authorize It public access than just fish
[1:26:48] and game and the DES which were the only other
[1:26:53] entities that were allowed on
[1:26:54] The property.
[1:26:55] So this is what I envision, I envision UNH comes to us
[1:26:58] and says, hey, we want to do a wildlife study on
[1:27:01] that conservation property in the present
[1:27:04] form. It would be excluded.
[1:27:06] Right, exactly. And
[1:27:08] That's what I was kind of against.
[1:27:09] Right? Right. Yes. It was so restrictive. Exactly.
[1:27:12] And the way that we, we got it set up, we can then
[1:27:15] authorize that and that happens.
[1:27:18] We do the fur bearing studies.
[1:27:19] We do, we do studies like that.
[1:27:20] Yeah. The photography with the cameras. Yep.
[1:27:23] Right. So I, I'd like to have a vote tonight that we
[1:27:27] send back their recommendation with our added language
[1:27:32] of quotes with our authorization
[1:27:36] and see how that flies with the other stakeholders.
[1:27:38] So I'll take a motion on that if everyone likes that.
[1:27:41] Like to hear that motion
[1:27:43] Move to approve the signage changes for Ashley Drive.
[1:27:47] Second. Alright, so we have a first
[1:27:49] and a second to add without authorization.
[1:27:54] All those in favor say aye. Aye.
[1:27:56] Aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. So motion carries.
[1:28:00] So Beth, you can communicate that back to the stakeholders.
[1:28:03] Okay. Thank you.
[1:28:06] Alright, so the land
[1:28:08] and water conservation fund
[1:28:11] did a visit at the four properties
[1:28:14] that they hold an interest in in dairy.
[1:28:17] So that is Coal Marsh, Cornelius
[1:28:20] and Weber Forest and Doolittle.
[1:28:23] And they said generally we're doing a great job.
[1:28:27] So that was good. And there were just a couple
[1:28:30] of things like some potential yard waste at Doolittle
[1:28:36] and the trail goes through like the Abutters property
[1:28:39] at Doolittle rather than like straight down
[1:28:43] on just the, the town property.
[1:28:45] So that's something that we'll have to address.
[1:28:48] And there was some evidence
[1:28:50] of recent a TV use at Weber Forest
[1:28:54] and then the posted signs that were at Cornelius
[1:28:57] and which have been taken down.
[1:29:00] But that was also an issue.
[1:29:02] But, but all in all,
[1:29:06] good job from them.
[1:29:10] And let's see, the Cub Scouts
[1:29:15] who had reached out about using the campsite at Broadview,
[1:29:18] they did a cleanup there.
[1:29:20] They cleaned out some of the like metal
[1:29:24] and things from the flags
[1:29:25] that was in the fire pit from when they
[1:29:27] burned the flags there.
[1:29:28] Oh, nice. Yeah.
[1:29:31] And I did reach out to, so parks
[1:29:34] and Rec has discontinued mowing the center path at view
[1:29:38] based on your vote at the last meeting.
[1:29:42] And we have
[1:29:47] one vote and then potentially a discussion.
[1:29:51] So the covenant at broad view, I had emailed that
[1:29:53] to everybody and if you had a chance to review it,
[1:29:57] I'm not sure if tonight is the right night to discuss that,
[1:30:00] but that's just still on our docket as far
[1:30:02] as discussing the Broadview covenant.
[1:30:08] And then you all need to vote to accept a check from
[1:30:12] the N-H-A-C-C, which was reimbursement
[1:30:15] for some expenses at the BioBlitz.
[1:30:20] We got We have that on.
[1:30:21] We're gonna put that up on other business.
[1:30:23] Oh, okay. Once you're done. Yeah.
[1:30:24] Okay, great. I'm done. That was my, that was my last
[1:30:27] Two things.
[1:30:28] Do you think we're ready to adopt that easement?
[1:30:30] Everyone Everyone get a chance to read the easement? Yes.
[1:30:35] We have enough people to, is everyone that did read it?
[1:30:38] Did they like it? Not enough.
[1:30:42] You want to, you wanna have a homework assignment
[1:30:44] and we'll bring it up at the next meeting?
[1:30:45] Yeah, I think so. Alright. Homework assignment.
[1:30:46] Read the easement. We're
[1:30:47] gonna bring it up at the next meeting.
[1:30:52] Thank you Beth
[1:30:53] for the land manager report administrative business.
[1:30:55] We have a vacancy as for a full member.
[1:30:58] And Linda has shown interest to become,
[1:31:01] to go from being an alternate to being a full member.
[1:31:05] So Mr. Foote, can you bring that forward at the council?
[1:31:09] How do, how do, what do you need from us in order to
[1:31:11] move Linda from being an alternate to being a full,
[1:31:14] She has to put an application in with Sheila.
[1:31:16] Okay. And then it'll come
[1:31:17] before our next council meeting,
[1:31:19] which if you get it in this week, it'll be September 1st.
[1:31:22] Okay. And then we can vote on it then.
[1:31:24] Alright. So Linda, you can do that right online?
[1:31:25] Yeah, yeah. Just do it online and then Yeah.
[1:31:28] You know that we are, we're on board with that, so. Yep.
[1:31:32] Sheila will ask me anyways, but
[1:31:33] Yeah, so yeah, she'll reach out to you for Right. Your,
[1:31:36] Okay.
[1:31:37] So do you know how to, you know what to do with that?
[1:31:39] Yes, I do. Okay. And that opens up a seat
[1:31:41] for an alternate for us again.
[1:31:43] So we have a vacancy.
[1:31:44] So any commissioner here that has someone that thinks
[1:31:48] they would be a good fit in our commission,
[1:31:51] please let them know that we have a seat open,
[1:31:52] which is a cherished seat in this, in this town.
[1:31:56] We, we actually already had someone reach out, out asking
[1:31:59] if she could apply to be,
[1:32:01] and I said I had to say, you know, that we were full.
[1:32:03] So you want read back?
[1:32:04] I did plan on reaching back out to her.
[1:32:06] Yeah. So we'll reach out. We have,
[1:32:07] we have a wait list. I was just
[1:32:08] Say this is actually, This is one of the better well
[1:32:11] Times for this committee.
[1:32:12] Yeah. Being full and, and people Yeah.
[1:32:14] We had, we had get chairs
[1:32:16] be that I had to get chairs early.
[1:32:17] I don't ever remember having to get chairs. Yeah.
[1:32:20] So we'll, we'll go to our wait list, Charlie.
[1:32:23] And that's 'cause we're busy, right? We are busy.
[1:32:26] Good stuff. Okay, so we're gonna move Linda up.
[1:32:30] We have a vacancy. Next meeting is September 21st
[1:32:35] because the regular Monday is Labor Day.
[1:32:38] So we're not meeting on Labor Day.
[1:32:41] We have proposed meetings on 10/5 and 10/19.
[1:32:45] Neither of those conflict with what's, what's our,
[1:32:48] what's the, what's the October holiday?
[1:32:51] Columbus. Columbus Day on the next
[1:32:52] Week.
[1:32:53] 12th. 11th. 12th
[1:32:56] Specific.
[1:32:57] So we're okay with those two? Yes.
[1:33:01] Yep. Okay. All right. So everybody get those on their
[1:33:03] calendar 'cause we're gonna start getting busy again.
[1:33:06] Columbus day is the 12th. Monday the 12th. Okay,
[1:33:08] Good.
[1:33:09] So we have one, but before and
[1:33:10] after I didn't report
[1:33:14] out on land acquisition.
[1:33:15] We, we are gonna have a non non-public.
[1:33:18] But the one thing that we are working on,
[1:33:20] on land acquisition is Beth
[1:33:22] and I have a first draft on a letter
[1:33:26] that we're gonna be sending to landowners
[1:33:30] soliciting property.
[1:33:32] So that's gonna be kind of our winter project.
[1:33:36] We're gonna be sending solicitation letters to
[1:33:40] larger apostles in town explaining the benefits
[1:33:45] of land conservation.
[1:33:46] And we have a, a first draft on that now.
[1:33:49] We'll, we'll keep tweaking that
[1:33:51] and then we'll bring it to the commission for approval
[1:33:54] before we start using it.
[1:33:58] Next other business we have Mr. Metz
[1:34:02] Move to move to accept a check in the amount of $260
[1:34:06] and 85 cents from the New Hampshire Association
[1:34:09] of Conservation Commissions as reimbursement
[1:34:13] for the BioBlitz day.
[1:34:15] Is there a second? Second. Second.
[1:34:18] Second. By Jay Ann. Cheryl. All those in favor say aye.
[1:34:23] Aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions. Motion carries.
[1:34:27] That goes to Eileen. Yep. Coming way Eileen. Yep.
[1:34:32] We like checks, we like bigger
[1:34:35] Checks, but that one will, That will too.
[1:34:38] Any other business from the commissioners?
[1:34:40] Anyone need to talk about is the foot,
[1:34:43] Sorry, I just wanna backtrack on the open position.
[1:34:46] So for housekeeping issues, so Val would have
[1:34:51] to put a letter of resignation in that would've
[1:34:53] to be forwarded then that goes in the consent
[1:34:55] with the counsel at the meeting.
[1:34:57] We'd have to accept the resignation
[1:34:58] before that position would then become she didn't
[1:35:01] She not cc you on that? I told her to.
[1:35:03] I didn't have it. No. Okay.
[1:35:05] I'll send she her to CC you on
[1:35:07] That one.
[1:35:08] Yeah. Then I'll have to go to she.
[1:35:08] So send it to me and Sheila. Sheila.
[1:35:11] And so I'll forward it. I'll,
[1:35:12] she sent it to me. I'll forward it to you. Yep.
[1:35:13] And then it'll go on the consents agenda.
[1:35:16] The council will vote to accept the resignation
[1:35:18] and then that will create the opening.
[1:35:20] Okay. Good. So just an FYI. So,
[1:35:22] So while, while we're doing that, you can do RN
[1:35:24] and then it'll all work out.
[1:35:26] Yeah. Any other, other business?
[1:35:29] Yes, ahead Jay. Hi.
[1:35:30] First, first of all, now that the broad Broadview annex
[1:35:35] has a subcommittee, I'm requesting
[1:35:37] that we actually put it under the Yes.
[1:35:40] Committee and liaison reports
[1:35:42] and the agenda as I usually have been coming in under
[1:35:45] other business, but
[1:35:47] Okay.
[1:35:48] Think of could We do that?
[1:35:49] Yes. I have several changes
[1:35:50] to the agenda subcommittee lines that
[1:35:53] Be thinking it'll make things run
[1:35:54] smoother, including that.
[1:35:55] I just wanted to talk about the recent
[1:36:00] plans for the Broadview annex.
[1:36:03] That is to mo I came to Beth last week saying we need
[1:36:08] to really do the be late
[1:36:13] summer fall mowing that is allowed by the
[1:36:18] RSA 4 82 A
[1:36:20] and E-M-V-W-T 100 900 rules,
[1:36:25] which it does allow for mowing doing dry conditions.
[1:36:30] Right now. It's since June.
[1:36:32] The land is totally inaccessible.
[1:36:35] You'd need a machete
[1:36:36] and you know, who knows
[1:36:39] how many elephants are in the grass there.
[1:36:40] They're so long.
[1:36:42] But, so we haven't been out there to observe.
[1:36:45] So I had, what Beth
[1:36:49] and I agreed to is I proposed on the map of the,
[1:36:54] the pro the property two paths
[1:37:00] converged from the access off of Young Road.
[1:37:05] And that since Matt Tar from UNH is coming out in late
[1:37:09] September that he would be able
[1:37:11] to take a look at at this map
[1:37:14] and just get his input on that.
[1:37:17] It's all good with the timing
[1:37:18] of when we wanna mow Anyhow. So
[1:37:20] Before we mow, we want, we wanna talk to Matt
[1:37:22] before we mow, is that what you're saying?
[1:37:23] Yeah. Okay. Just a good, good idea.
[1:37:25] And then I just wanted to point out that, you know, we,
[1:37:29] when I started this project,
[1:37:31] and now we're a subcommittee,
[1:37:32] I've already been doing a management plan
[1:37:35] as Eileen had mentioned, something we should all be doing.
[1:37:40] So it's, it was a good idea.
[1:37:42] All my thoughts needed to go someplace
[1:37:45] or they'd go into the atmosphere and disappear.
[1:37:49] So that's the latest for that.
[1:37:51] So that will provide for early spring access.
[1:37:55] And by then also the, we'll be able to plot out where,
[1:38:00] where the paths should be more permanently.
[1:38:04] And so that the critical time is
[1:38:08] sometime in the early summer we need to get a mowing done.
[1:38:12] It may require less heavy,
[1:38:16] less heavy equipment.
[1:38:18] You know, the, the mower
[1:38:20] that does the paths on the broad view area may be used
[1:38:25] for this annex area.
[1:38:27] It's a hope and not, not fully understood yet. We'll see
[1:38:33] Jay, who's on you're chair in that committee?
[1:38:35] Who's on that committee with you?
[1:38:36] Well, we have Christopher. Okay.
[1:38:39] Yep. And Eileen. Yep.
[1:38:41] Got it. Thank you. Okay.
[1:38:45] Any, any other, other business?
[1:38:49] If I could request, if anyone has any Trailhead photos,
[1:38:53] they could email them to me.
[1:38:54] I'd like to make sure we do some more posts.
[1:38:56] Yeah, there's some interest from the general population of
[1:39:00] what their favorite location is.
[1:39:01] Just kind of engage more. Love that.
[1:39:03] If anyone has anything like that, that'd be great. Did we,
[1:39:06] Did we ever post that training thing with the DPW?
[1:39:10] No. Let's do that Linda. Yep.
[1:39:12] That, that's that training story from DPW and I heard it.
[1:39:15] I loved it. So I think get with Beth
[1:39:19] and talk about how that went down
[1:39:22] and maybe we can even get some
[1:39:24] files. That would be, you know,
[1:39:25] Another suggestion I'd make is quite, quite
[1:39:29] Often. One
[1:39:30] Second.
[1:39:31] N-H-A-C-C does newsletters that involve
[1:39:33] what different commissions have done interacting, you know,
[1:39:36] within their towns with other committees
[1:39:38] and other departments.
[1:39:40] And I think that'd be a great story to send
[1:39:42] to Barbara Richter for dare
[1:39:44] to get in one of those newsletters.
[1:39:46] So that shared with the whole state
[1:39:48] and all the, all the other towns in the,
[1:39:51] Like do you have a picture of that tree that they,
[1:39:53] that was crossing the path?
[1:39:55] I Do. Okay, cool. Yep. So, so maybe the post can
[1:39:57] Be, I just got the before and after pictures. Yeah.
[1:39:59] Oh, you have before and after?
[1:40:00] I do. Yeah. Well I have before pictures
[1:40:02] 'cause I had to take pictures is the feeling.
[1:40:04] Oh, there's a tree in the trail.
[1:40:05] Yeah, let's do that post that they took the tree down,
[1:40:07] used as a training off for the town and all that stuff.
[1:40:09] I think that would be a, that would be a cool post.
[1:40:11] And then Eileen's comment about did we post on the BioBlitz?
[1:40:16] I did we post on the bio bl like we
[1:40:20] shared about the BioBlitz?
[1:40:21] Yes. On Facebook you mean, but you mean to N-H-A-C-C?
[1:40:25] No, to our, our, yes. Yeah, we did.
[1:40:27] Okay, so let's do, let's do one on,
[1:40:29] on the, on the tree thing.
[1:40:31] Sure. Thank you. Yeah.
[1:40:32] And then Eileen's suggestion is really good.
[1:40:36] Yeah. 'cause I, I think it, you know, I, what I love about
[1:40:38] that newsletter, it quite often has stories that are shared
[1:40:43] for the purpose of other towns to be able to kind of grab
[1:40:48] that information and go with that kind
[1:40:50] of project in their town, you know, so it's sort
[1:40:53] of a replication kind of thing.
[1:40:56] You know, towns learn from each other that way. So,
[1:41:00] Okay.
[1:41:01] If we are done, we are gonna have a,
[1:41:04] we're gonna be done by nine.
[1:41:06] We are gonna have a non-public,
[1:41:07] it's gonna be fairly brief and Mr.
[1:41:10] Mets gonna take it away.
[1:41:12] Move to go into non-public session per RSA 91.
[1:41:15] A three sec.
[1:41:16] Section two for the purpose of land acquisition.
[1:41:20] Second. Alright, so we have a first
[1:41:23] to go into non-public by Mr.
[1:41:25] Metz. A second by Cheryl. We need a roll call Vote on this.
[1:41:29] Starting to my right? Yes,
[1:41:33] yes, yes, yes,
[1:41:35] Yes, yes, yes.
[1:41:39] Chair votes. Yes. We need a motion to invite,
[1:41:45] let's see, we have to invite Catherine.
[1:41:47] We have to invite Pam.
[1:41:49] We have to invite Charlie if he wants to stay.
[1:41:51] We have to invite Beth if she wants to stay.
[1:41:53] Do you wanna stay? Sure. Okay.
[1:41:56] So I think you can do that all at once. Right? Okay.
[1:41:59] Move to, move to invite all those members mentioned.
[1:42:02] All right. So as a first, is there a second? Second.
[1:42:06] Second by Cheryl. Is that a roll call Charlie? Yeah.
[1:42:09] Alright. Roll call again. Yes. Yes, yes, yes,
[1:42:13] Yes, yes, yes.
[1:42:15] Chair votes? Yes. Okay.
[1:42:20] We're non-public Good. We're non-public.
[1:42:22] Let us know when we're ready. Owen.