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Welcome to the Town of Dairy Planning Board meeting for

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September 2nd, 2026.

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Can you guys hear me? Check. Check.

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We start our meetings with a pledge of allegiance,

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so if you would please rise and join.

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I pledge allegiance through the flag

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of the United States of America to the Republic

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for which it today, one nation under God, individual

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with liberty Agenda justice

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For all.

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Well, we have an audience tonight, so I will go

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through the safety evacuation procedures.

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If there's an alarm of activation, please exit at the rear

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of the hall where you came in,

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or you may also use the exit to my right, to your left.

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That will unlock during an an alarm activation.

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However, the elevator will not be operable,

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so if you need assistance in leaving, please wait

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for first responders at this point.

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If you would silence all sorts of electronic devices,

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that would be greatly appreciated.

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The planning board voluntarily continues

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to offer remote participation.

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If any member of the planning board participates remotely,

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vote shall be by roll call.

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To attend this meeting from cyberspace using a computer

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or a smartphone, visit www.zoom.us.

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Enter meeting ID

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You may also call in by phone for audio only.

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Phone number

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(646) 558-8656.

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Same meeting ID 7 5 4 6 6 3 9 1 2.

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meeting, please call (603) 845-5585.

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please toggle star nine to raise your hand and stop.

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And star six

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to unmute yourself once you have been recognized,

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I will introduce the, the members

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and staff who are present tonight

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to my far right is our community

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development director, Ms. Donovan.

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Our alternates, Mr. Mousy. Good evening, Mr.

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Appleton and Mr. Young.

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Good evening, our planning director, Ms. Du. Good evening.

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Our planning clerk, Ms. Wilson Town Council

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Liaison, Mr. Chase.

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Good evening. Mr. Wood is absent tonight, so I would ask

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Mr. Young to seat for him.

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We have regular members. Mr.

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Menini, our good evening vice chair, Mr. O'Connor.

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Good evening. My far left is Mr.

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Venture who runs all the magical video

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that brings us to you in your home.

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We thank you our engineering coordinator, Mr. Foli.

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Good evening member. Mr. Fishman. Hello.

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Good evening, member Mr. Pier.

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Good evening town administrative representative, Mr. Ello.

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Good evening Secretary. Mr. Alibi. Hello.

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And I'm Dave Nelson. I'm the chair.

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First item of business.

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On the agenda this evening, we have a couple of items

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of escrow versus item number 26 dash 31

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for four Eden Street and 71 Birch Street.

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Okay. The developer is 71 Birch Street, LLC.

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The type is letter of credit, parcel id,

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location 2 8 0 0 1 and 2 8 0 0 2 4 Eden and 71 Birch Street.

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The request is to approve your release of letter

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of credit number 8 2 4 1 0 7 5 6 drawn on Haverhill

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Bank in the amount of $38,939 for the

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above noted project, and

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to request either a replacement letter of credit

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or other form of security in the amount

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of $1,972 and 25 cents.

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And I so move Mr. Chair. Second,

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Moved by O'Connor, second by Malibu to approve the release

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as presented in the discussion.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Vinni? Yes.

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Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.

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Ello? Yes. Mr. Alibi? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

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Next item is 26 dash 32 for 75

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and a half Ford Way extension.

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Okay. This is the developer is Dreamcatcher Homes LLC.

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This is also a letter of credit parcel id.

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Location is map 21 lot 9 75 and a half Ford Way extension.

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The request is to approve

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or release of letter of credit number 8 2 4 6 8 2 3 4 drawn

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on Haverhill Bank in the amount of $24,719

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and 25 cents for the above noted project

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and request a replacement letter of credit

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or other form of security in the amount of $1,150.

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And Mr. Chair, I so move.

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Second. Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malibu

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to approve the release as presented.

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Any discussion? If not, pull the board. Mr. Chase? Yes.

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Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Min? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Chair Cello? Yes. Mr. Maby?

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Yes. And chair votes? Yes.

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Next before us, we have the minutes of August 5th, 2026.

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Has everyone had a chance to review them?

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Are there any errors or omissions?

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Mr. Chair, seeing nobody raise their hand, I'm gonna move

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to accept them as written. Second,

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Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Melody

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to approve the minutes of August 5th, 2026 as written.

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Mr. Chase, I

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Will abstain if that was not Present.

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Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. Connor? Yes. Mr.

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Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier. I'll abstain. I was not present. Mr.

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Ello? Yes. Mr. Mabe? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes.

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We now have correspondence. Just

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One small item of correspondence.

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Mr. Chair, we have an email from the New Hampshire Municipal

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Association just letting us know that the September

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and October edition of Town

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and City Magazine is now available.

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Great. Thank you. Moving on to other business.

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First item is second extension, request

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for parcel ID

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and 0 5 0 6.

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Five dash 0 1 1, 2, 3, and four Humphrey Road.

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Okay, so the planning board approved a mixed use site plan

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for the Butterfield revocable trusts

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and Humphrey Road LLC on September 18th of 24.

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The board also granted a request to extend the deadline

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to meet the conditions of approval

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to September 18th of this year.

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The applicant has secured the required state approvals

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related to the realignment of Humphrey Road

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where it intersects with North Main Street

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and the applicant is requesting a second extension

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for an additional 12 months

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to finalize the remaining conditions precedent,

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which include owner's signature on the final plan set,

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which actually have been secured establishment

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of construction escrow for the project

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and the onset bounds, the GIS disc submission

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and the submission of the fair share contribution

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for the future signal improvements at Webster's Corner.

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We did receive the final plan sets

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and those are in the office at this time.

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So the recommendation is to grant up to a 12 month extension

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of the approval, and if it is 12 months,

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the new expiration date would then be September 18th of 27.

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Mr. Chair, I'll move that motion to grant up

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to 12 months extension of the approval

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and the new express expiration date will now be September

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the 18th, 2027. Second.

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Okay. It's been moved to grant a 12 month extension

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by O'Connor, seconded by alibi.

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Any discussion? Yes. Mr. Chase?

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One other thing that the Applicant

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Has secured is last night the council did accept the

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easements for the realignment of Humphrey Road.

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So that's all been set aside also.

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Yeah. The drainage easement. Excellent, thank you. Yeah.

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Okay. And now while you've got the the floor,

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what's your vote on this?

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Yes. Mr. Young. Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

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Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pelletier? Yes. Mr. Ella? Yes. Mr.

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Maby? Yes. And chair votes? Yes.

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Next item is, is facade improvements

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for parcel ID 3 5 0 1 4 dash

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0 0 5 20 Folsom Road.

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Okay, so the Messina have asked to

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have the board take a look at a change to the color

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of the siding at 20 Folsom Road for royalty car wash.

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And they'd like to also add an architectural element

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to the bottom section of the building.

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You do have a rendering, which

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it printed out a little dark.

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It is, it is a dark gray. It's not pavement gray.

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So hopefully you were able to see

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that better on your digital packets.

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So the board does have the authority in the land development

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control regulations to review changes

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that affect the exterior of a building,

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specifically alterations

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to structures within the industrial two zoning district

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would have a medium high level of compliance

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with the regulations in that particular section.

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1 70 86 F eight.

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It speaks to the color of a building

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and it states subtle colors are appropriate on larger

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cleaner buildings where smaller buildings

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with more detailing can more effectively incorporate the

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brighter colors, which normally should be

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limited to accent areas.

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So the board is being asked to review this change to the

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exterior of the building and make a finding of fact.

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Any, any questions on this?

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So we have findings of fact

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and then is there a motion to approve as well or

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It would be the findings of fact?

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I guess we'd move to move to find the following facts,

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I guess because it's the architectural design regs. Okay,

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Very good.

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Who would like to make that motion?

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Mr. Chair? I move to review of the proposal.

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The board finds the proposed facade renovation

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of Royal T Car Wash PID 3 5 0 1 4 dash

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Folsom Road is appropriate

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for the industrial two zoning district

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as the proposed change demonstrates overall compliance

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with the architectural design regulations.

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The proposed change does not detrimentally affect the nature

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of the surrounding uses, the style

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of the surrounding buildings

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or the special feature of historic cultural

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or community interest in the vicinity of the project.

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The proposed color gray in the addition of full granite

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along the bottom of the facade is appropriate

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for the neighborhood in the district.

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And ISO move second,

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Moved by O'Connor

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and seconded by Malibu to make finding findings

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of fact finding the proposed changes acceptable.

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Any discussion Mr. Chase?

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How can I say no? It has granite.

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Yes. Fall granite though,

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but still, but still Mr. Young?

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Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor.

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I will go along with Mr. Chase and

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because of the fo granite being there, that's wonderful.

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Okay, Mr. Fishman? I concur. Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.

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Ello? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair of votes? Yes. Yes.

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I think it looks very nice. Thank you.

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And then the final item

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of other business is architectural design review

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for a sign in the traditional business overlay district

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for parcel ID 3 0 0 5 1 16 minute Manning Street.

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Okay, you guys have heard me say the same

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paragraph over and over again.

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So I'm just gonna summarize the town

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of dairy zoning ordinance, section 1 65 1 0 1 5 A one Q

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requires that all new signs proposed in the traditional

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business overlay district district be reviewed

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by the planning board prior to the issuance

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of a signed permit.

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The applicant is proposing signage

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as noted on the attached exhibit code enforcement

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and I did review the size of the sign.

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So total sign above the unit is 14.25 square feet,

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and the applicants are permitted to have one square foot

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of sign per one linear foot of road frontage.

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The aggregate total of all signs

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for business in the TBOD cannot exceed

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or for a business cannot exceed 50 square feet.

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This request does meet the zoning requirements

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for signs in the TBOD.

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They're currently operating at 16 Manning Street Unit 1 0 1.

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I did have this, So the recommendation

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would be to approve.

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Okay. Thank you. I I momentarily lost my presentation. Mr.

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Malise, any questions on this one?

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What is the board's pleasure

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Mr.

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Chair? I move pursuant to the town

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of dairy zoning ordinance Article 12 signs section 1 65 dash

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1 0 1 0.5, signs in the TBOD

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to approve the sign designed, presented for on the road

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to Wellness Parcel 3 0 0 5 1 16 Man Street

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Unit 1 0 1 as presented.

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The board finds the sign is compatible

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with the surrounding buildings,

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meets the regulations contained in the ordinance

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and compliments the surrounding architecture

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and ISO move second,

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Moved by O'Connor, second by alibi

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to approve the package as presented.

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Any discussion Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes.

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Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes.

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Er Yes. Mr. Chair? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

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Great, thank you. And that moves us on

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to planning director and chairman updates.

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I have three items for you this evening, just

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to let everyone know that the CBD changes

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to the zoning ordinance go into effect tomorrow.

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So that has all been published.

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It's available on the website.

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Now if you would like, that's for the zoning ordinance

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and the LDCs.

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So if anyone would like hard copy of those

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and you want the the Bound book,

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if you could please email Caroline.

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Otherwise we'll assume you're gonna content

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yourself with a digital version.

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We do not have any plans submitted for the

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September 16th meeting.

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It's just administrative business.

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So if you would like, I can maybe bring

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some of the draft changes back to the board

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for a first look on the changes

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that went into effect on July of this year

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for the state legislature.

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That's up to you if you want me to prepare

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That.

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Yeah, I think let's take advantage of that,

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that quote unquote downtime in order to get some of

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that workshop work done.

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Okay. And then

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Let me write that down so I don't forget.

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Okay. Oh, and I'm sorry, actually four things.

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So the third thing is there, just a reminder that the,

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the how to color your plan class, I forget

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what the actual title is, will be on September 25th.

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And if there are any members who would like

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to attend that is during the day.

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It's like eight 30 to noon on Friday, the 25th.

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It will be here. If you do wanna attend,

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please let Caroline know so

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that we can sign you up for that.

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And I did want to let the planning board

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and the general public know that as of today,

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the planning department has gone digital

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with planning department and planning board applications.

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We are using the gov well platform.

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So for zoning board applications

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and for planning board applications, including TRC, change

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of Use, things of that nature will all be done

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through the gov well platform.

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And so that's live, we're,

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we're excited to see how that works.

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It will not change how you receive

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or get your information,

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it's just a new change for the applicants.

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So what, what's the name of it again?

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Gov. Well What? Yeah.

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Yeah. I get just a quick question.

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So will, will septic plans be on that site?

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Not at this time. At this time it's just planning,

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planning department and planning board applications.

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Okay. Zoning board applications,

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which include equitable waivers,

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special exceptions and variances.

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Yeah. And then we'll be moving to health permits.

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Following that we will go to special requests, which would

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otherwise known as complaints

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for the code enforcement office.

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And then we move on to building permits

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and then fire prevention permits.

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Okay. So it's all phased in.

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It's being all phased in.

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We're doing module at a time so that we can make sure

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that when it gets to the public it's fairly seamless

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and we've ironed everything out. Yeah.

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Yeah. I was actually, just as a side note, I was surprised

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that the town of Hollis has a lot of stuff online.

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I didn't have to go down to the town to pick up

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to look at the packets, which is great. So

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So it will, it will be nice

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because the, once we're live

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and we transition everything over from permit eyes,

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the public will have be able to have some access to some

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of those files without having to come in.

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Good. I'm done.

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And that's it. So I had something to say,

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it's not technically related to the planning board,

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but since I wear another hat is the Dairy Town moderator,

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I wanna remind everyone that

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we have an election coming up on September 8th

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and I wanna see a lot of people there.

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So there's my public service announcement. Thank you.

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Next item is our public hearing for Bird Enterprises.

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LLC for parcel ID

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1 0 0 1 2 180 7 Hampstead Road.

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Okay, thank you. So Bird Enterprises purchased the

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property located at 180 7 Hampstead Road,

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which was the former Holy Cross Church.

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Della Hunte Garden and Landscape Center relocated from

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Wyndham to this location.

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And the former church has been renovated

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to create an indoor youth sports training facility known

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as Northeast Elite Athletics.

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The property is located in the LMDR Zone.

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Water service is supplied by puck.

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The planning board approved the site plan in 2025. Oh.

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And actually will be able to pull

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that up on the overhead for you.

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Yeah. Okay. Okay. On that plan,

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the board approved material storage

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and pickup areas, stock areas, parking for company vehicles

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and or equipment storage In associated parking.

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The applicant has expanded uses on the lot in changes from

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the approved plan in 25.

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Include the retail display areas

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outside the main building entrance have been discontinued 10

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by 20 storage container was added behind the building.

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133 a Friday were added along the perimeter of the northeast

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and south sides of the property.

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To address staff concerns

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that a residential buffer had been removed.

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There's been an addition of stock area to either side

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of the training facility

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and in the landscaped islands to the left

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of the main entrance equipment storage area is now a

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nursery stock area.

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A shed greenhouse

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and a 10 by 20 storage container have been added

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near the rear of the lot.

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The check-in shed was removed and a dumpster added.

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And it appears that the tree line on the right hand side

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of the property adjacent to the wetlands had been removed.

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There was concern that stock was being placed in wetland

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buffers and treatment swales.

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And during the August 29th of 25 TRC meeting,

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it was stated the wetlands were flagged when the property

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was first developed as a church.

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In 1999 recently Della Hunting,

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Della Hunting nursery in North Elite

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Elite Athletics moved on to the site and Mr.

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Yco had the wetlands re delineated by Thomas Slosky,

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who's a certified wetland scientist.

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It appears that about half of the area deemed

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to be wetlands in 99 is no longer considered to be wetlands

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and therefore the proposed site plan amendment was

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for a 14 foot path to allow access to that upland area

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for storage of nursery stock and trees.

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The storage area is wooded

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and will remain so to conserve water

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nursery stock would be moved by hand or by a skid steer.

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And that 14 foot path is now shown on the plan

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as a nine foot wide mulch path.

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The existing sign location is shown on sheet two.

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I would note that as this project is located in a

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residential district,

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the ZBA has jurisdiction over the size of the sign.

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The police department had a concern that the stock area

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to the front of the parcel could

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interfere with site distance.

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For those exiting the property stock should be situated so

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that it's set far enough back so as not

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to impede site distance.

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Couple additional items of note.

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The nursery use

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as a reminder is agriculture in agricultural in nature.

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Under the definitions in the state statute,

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you do have pictures in the packet

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provided by the applicant with their application.

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Two letters of support were provided by the applicant today

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and those were added to your packets.

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There are no waiver requests

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and the recommendation would be for the board

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to discuss the proposed changes to the site

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and make a determination with regard to regional impact.

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I believe we did address that at the last hearing.

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So where this is really just sort of an amendment,

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I'm not sure it would be at the board's pleasure if they

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want to take that step or not.

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And Mr. Yco is here in

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And Chris Recher, counsel for Mr.

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Unco outta

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KY Manchester.

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Let's see. We're, we're out on the, so

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is everyone ready to make a motion on jurisdiction?

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Mr. Chair move to accept jurisdiction

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of the amended site plan application

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before the board for Bird Enterprise BID

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1 0 0 1 12.

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180 7 Hampstead Road.

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Second, moved by O'Connor, second by EE

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to accept jurisdiction.

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Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Miny? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?

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Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Palantier? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes.

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Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

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And on the determination of regional impact,

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Mr.

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Chair, pursuant

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to RSA 36 56, the board finds the proposal

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as presented at this time meets the definition

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of a development of regional impact.

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Second, moved by O'Connor, seconded by Alimy

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to determine regional impact.

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Mr. Chase? No,

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This is a minor site plan amendment

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and it does not meet the definition of a

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Regional impact.

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Mr. Young? No. For same reasons. Mr. Menini? No.

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For the same reasons Mr. O'Connor?

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I'll concur. My fellow members.

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Mr. Fisherman? No. For the same reasons. Mr. Pier? No.

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For the same reasons. Mr. Ello? No. For the same reasons.

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Mr. Maby? No.

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For the same reasons she will vote no for the same reasons.

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Can I have a motion to open the public hearing? So moved.

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Second. Moved by Church Cello second by Maby

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to open the public hearing.

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All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Nay.

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Public hearings open. Gentlemen,

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you can give us your executive summary please.

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Sure. Just for the record, Ms.

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Chair, my name's Chris Drescher.

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I'm counsel for the applicant here and attorney outta Corbis

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and Zelensky in Manchester.

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And I will turn it over to Mr. Yco.

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Thank you. Would you like me to read the executive?

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Just speak to what I think Ms.

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Ow said it all,

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but anything that you would like to highlight to us,

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we would be very happy to hear.

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Absolutely. So First plan I one. Thanks.

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Yes, thank you Mr. Chairman. Board.

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So Jayco, 180 7 Hampstead Road.

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I'm the owner of Bird Enterprises

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and both businesses within that, that, that building.

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I came before you roughly about a year ago

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to talk about similar items to today.

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Since that time we've moved in, we've kind

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of established ourselves, if anyone's in the area

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and driven by, you've seen that we've, you know, been able

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to clean up the property and,

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and start to conduct business there with both our,

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00:24:53,845 --> 00:24:56,965
our nursery and our indoor sports facility

518
00:24:58,635 --> 00:25:01,925
with the additions, like any moving

519
00:25:02,145 --> 00:25:04,485
or, you know, people have moved into homes and so forth.

520
00:25:04,745 --> 00:25:06,205
You know, there's been some minor adjustments

521
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:07,605
that we've need to make throughout that time.

522
00:25:07,705 --> 00:25:09,245
So I come before you today

523
00:25:09,305 --> 00:25:10,805
to present those minor adjustments.

524
00:25:10,965 --> 00:25:13,405
I believe that Ms. Roberto went through those.

525
00:25:13,955 --> 00:25:15,645
There's some, there's some items

526
00:25:15,645 --> 00:25:17,765
that we've removed or taken away.

527
00:25:17,905 --> 00:25:20,485
We had originally had approved a shed out front

528
00:25:20,485 --> 00:25:21,485
that was like a check-in.

529
00:25:21,515 --> 00:25:23,805
Shed a 10 by 12 shed. We're not doing that.

530
00:25:23,865 --> 00:25:25,685
So that's, that's not out by the road any longer.

531
00:25:26,015 --> 00:25:27,525
Again, if you've driven by we're approved

532
00:25:27,525 --> 00:25:29,125
to have nursery stock out by the road.

533
00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:31,205
I know that, you know, it was one of the comments by,

534
00:25:31,265 --> 00:25:33,565
by police that you know, nothing be, you know,

535
00:25:36,045 --> 00:25:37,125
obstruct the, the site vision.

536
00:25:37,145 --> 00:25:38,405
We actually haven't anything by the

537
00:25:38,405 --> 00:25:39,965
road since we've moved in.

538
00:25:39,965 --> 00:25:41,685
We've kept it clean because it, it,

539
00:25:41,985 --> 00:25:43,565
it shows the building and shows us there.

540
00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,365
So we haven't really put anything out there

541
00:25:45,505 --> 00:25:47,365
anyway in that time.

542
00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:50,325
We've, we've added a couple storage units and so forth.

543
00:25:50,485 --> 00:25:52,525
I guess on the original plan, we missed the dumpster.

544
00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:56,445
I don't know, I guess we didn't think we were gonna have any

545
00:25:56,445 --> 00:25:57,685
trash and it didn't get put on.

546
00:25:57,905 --> 00:25:59,485
The dumpster is hidden behind the building.

547
00:25:59,585 --> 00:26:02,325
So it's, it's not visible. I just wanted to clarify that.

548
00:26:02,565 --> 00:26:06,445
'cause on your, on the plan, it says a, a storage unit,

549
00:26:06,965 --> 00:26:08,045
the shed out front was being

550
00:26:08,045 --> 00:26:09,285
removed and replaced by a dumpster.

551
00:26:09,285 --> 00:26:11,285
It's, it's being replaced on the property by a dumpster,

552
00:26:11,285 --> 00:26:12,765
but the dumpster isn't visible from the road.

553
00:26:13,715 --> 00:26:15,085
It's around, tucked around back,

554
00:26:16,185 --> 00:26:19,205
and any of the addition of the sheds are all hidden by, by,

555
00:26:19,425 --> 00:26:21,485
you can see up on your, your small visual

556
00:26:21,665 --> 00:26:23,645
or up on the screen there, anything

557
00:26:23,645 --> 00:26:25,685
that's is hidden all the way at the back

558
00:26:25,685 --> 00:26:27,245
of the property from the, from the road

559
00:26:27,585 --> 00:26:29,965
or hidden behind a building and so forth.

560
00:26:30,185 --> 00:26:32,005
So we've, we've kind of been conscious of that.

561
00:26:33,055 --> 00:26:35,405
We've added a few spots that will keep our, you know,

562
00:26:35,405 --> 00:26:37,045
containers, nursery stock and so forth.

563
00:26:37,105 --> 00:26:38,685
But the, the issue, I really come

564
00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:41,765
before you today that that struck this to be,

565
00:26:41,905 --> 00:26:43,005
to be brought up in any way.

566
00:26:43,085 --> 00:26:45,405
Come back before you, is this the proposed tree

567
00:26:45,405 --> 00:26:46,725
and shrub storage area?

568
00:26:48,445 --> 00:26:52,525
I did have the wetlands delineated from the time from 1999.

569
00:26:53,545 --> 00:26:55,525
I'm not a wetland scientist, so I can't speak to that.

570
00:26:55,545 --> 00:26:56,845
But, you know, things changed slightly.

571
00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:58,725
There's an opening space that that,

572
00:26:58,725 --> 00:27:01,085
that showed no wet vegetation and whatnot.

573
00:27:01,145 --> 00:27:02,525
So they re delineated that.

574
00:27:03,005 --> 00:27:05,445
I, I know it was, was stated in the, in the reading

575
00:27:05,445 --> 00:27:07,845
that this became a drier area.

576
00:27:07,945 --> 00:27:11,125
The, the area I'm, I'm asking to use was always dry.

577
00:27:11,555 --> 00:27:13,565
That was never something that was ever wet.

578
00:27:13,915 --> 00:27:17,525
It's just where that little red path crossed that 14

579
00:27:17,585 --> 00:27:19,325
or 16 foot session section.

580
00:27:20,025 --> 00:27:21,765
The thought by the wetland scientist

581
00:27:21,865 --> 00:27:23,565
and my engineer is that when they did this

582
00:27:23,565 --> 00:27:25,005
with the church originally, they just,

583
00:27:25,625 --> 00:27:26,845
it was never thought to be used.

584
00:27:26,865 --> 00:27:28,725
So it just, it was made sense to just,

585
00:27:28,725 --> 00:27:29,965
that's the way they delineated it.

586
00:27:29,965 --> 00:27:31,805
But it probably was never a wetland.

587
00:27:31,805 --> 00:27:33,565
And they, when they re delineated, they found

588
00:27:33,565 --> 00:27:35,965
that there was an area there because the stream actually

589
00:27:36,015 --> 00:27:37,645
flows around when,

590
00:27:37,715 --> 00:27:39,765
when there's actually water only in the spring

591
00:27:39,765 --> 00:27:42,925
for the most part flows around the backside of that on the,

592
00:27:43,265 --> 00:27:44,205
if you're looking at it, the

593
00:27:44,205 --> 00:27:45,325
right hand side of the property.

594
00:27:46,585 --> 00:27:48,405
So that's the area I'm proposing to use.

595
00:27:48,605 --> 00:27:51,645
I know we had some questions back a year ago about,

596
00:27:51,905 --> 00:27:54,485
you know, the plants and, you know, if we fertilized

597
00:27:54,665 --> 00:27:57,005
and I answered all those questions, I can refresh you

598
00:27:57,005 --> 00:27:58,765
to those, but I don't wanna bore you to tears.

599
00:27:59,195 --> 00:28:00,765
Nothing has changed on that.

600
00:28:01,105 --> 00:28:03,885
I'm just, I'm just increasing that footprint

601
00:28:04,505 --> 00:28:06,445
by the amount shown there of

602
00:28:06,445 --> 00:28:08,245
what I already was approved for a year ago.

603
00:28:08,985 --> 00:28:11,005
So there's really no, nothing has changed.

604
00:28:11,135 --> 00:28:13,565
We're gonna be, we're not building structures out there.

605
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:16,605
We're not, we don't have any roadways out there.

606
00:28:16,955 --> 00:28:20,365
There's nothing to that extent. No power, no utilities.

607
00:28:20,835 --> 00:28:23,925
It's, it's, it's a simple use of the current land there.

608
00:28:24,745 --> 00:28:27,645
And one of the, one of the reasons why I actually had the,

609
00:28:28,905 --> 00:28:30,525
the paper map is I just wanted to note

610
00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:33,205
and one last thing is I think if you could scroll down

611
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,565
or up to see the front of the property.

612
00:28:36,625 --> 00:28:38,445
So when it, when we originally came before you

613
00:28:38,445 --> 00:28:42,965
before on the front above where it says bulk storage area

614
00:28:43,685 --> 00:28:46,205
closest to, to Hampstead Road, I proposed,

615
00:28:46,325 --> 00:28:49,605
I think at the time was 28 arvid to buffer that area,

616
00:28:49,605 --> 00:28:51,605
which already has a huge buffer from

617
00:28:51,605 --> 00:28:52,765
the just natural buffer.

618
00:28:53,105 --> 00:28:55,165
But I proposed to do 28 Arbor Bides

619
00:28:56,055 --> 00:28:58,045
being in the business of selling plants.

620
00:28:58,525 --> 00:29:00,125
I deal with growers

621
00:29:00,125 --> 00:29:02,125
and farmers all the time that, you know,

622
00:29:02,135 --> 00:29:03,285
might have deals for me.

623
00:29:03,285 --> 00:29:07,405
So I went ahead and bought 130 plants from them and deal

624
00:29:07,465 --> 00:29:10,485
and, and ran them all along the side there to,

625
00:29:10,585 --> 00:29:11,845
to help the neighbors there

626
00:29:11,865 --> 00:29:14,805
and kind of just buffer the whole area proactively.

627
00:29:15,705 --> 00:29:18,525
We did clean up a lot of those areas on both sides.

628
00:29:19,025 --> 00:29:21,925
You know, there was some, some thoughts of, of cutbacks.

629
00:29:21,965 --> 00:29:24,765
A lot of it is just underbrush or saplings that we cut back.

630
00:29:25,265 --> 00:29:27,525
We did on the, that the driveway side there,

631
00:29:27,525 --> 00:29:31,205
take down some trees that were dead that we,

632
00:29:31,425 --> 00:29:32,645
we felt needed to be done.

633
00:29:32,745 --> 00:29:35,045
But nothing in the wetland area whatsoever.

634
00:29:35,995 --> 00:29:38,005
Just, just in the, in that, that area

635
00:29:38,005 --> 00:29:39,125
that's delineated there.

636
00:29:40,065 --> 00:29:43,205
But what I wanted to show is that, that the area I'm,

637
00:29:43,785 --> 00:29:46,485
I'm proposing to put additional stock is along this side.

638
00:29:47,005 --> 00:29:50,405
I already have all of the lime green areas approved prior.

639
00:29:51,785 --> 00:29:53,725
The two letters you see in your packet

640
00:29:54,665 --> 00:29:56,525
are my largest abutting neighbors

641
00:29:56,525 --> 00:29:57,805
and closest abutting neighbors.

642
00:29:59,075 --> 00:30:03,425
This entire side here Okay.

643
00:30:04,165 --> 00:30:05,665
Is one of the letters that you have

644
00:30:05,665 --> 00:30:06,745
in your, your packet there.

645
00:30:07,285 --> 00:30:11,825
So could you grab that wireless mic so that we Oh, get you

646
00:30:11,825 --> 00:30:13,625
for the record and for the TV audience.

647
00:30:14,515 --> 00:30:18,545
Thank you. And now just pull, use the clip I think,

648
00:30:18,965 --> 00:30:20,305
oh well we'll fix that one.

649
00:30:20,305 --> 00:30:21,305
Sorry,

650
00:30:23,325 --> 00:30:24,325
Can you hear me?

651
00:30:24,325 --> 00:30:25,585
Is that on? It's on. Okay.

652
00:30:25,585 --> 00:30:29,425
So what I was basically saying for everyone at home is the,

653
00:30:29,765 --> 00:30:32,225
the two, the, the two letters you have in your packet

654
00:30:32,245 --> 00:30:35,745
of support that I, you know, I i if you read fantastic.

655
00:30:35,805 --> 00:30:39,345
If not, take a peek at those. They're the closest neighbors.

656
00:30:39,345 --> 00:30:42,505
This, this, this woman here, Rebecca has home,

657
00:30:42,585 --> 00:30:43,745
I don't think it's shown on this map,

658
00:30:43,745 --> 00:30:44,985
but literally right in this area.

659
00:30:45,035 --> 00:30:46,185
She's our closest neighbor.

660
00:30:46,485 --> 00:30:48,265
She showed a letter of SU support.

661
00:30:49,045 --> 00:30:51,185
I'd appreciate if, if it was either read into the record

662
00:30:51,205 --> 00:30:52,425
or you could, you could read that.

663
00:30:52,845 --> 00:30:56,425
And then the other letter is for this, this line in this,

664
00:30:56,685 --> 00:30:58,265
the other folk folks there.

665
00:30:58,975 --> 00:31:00,345
Okay. That went all the way down.

666
00:31:00,615 --> 00:31:05,265
That is, that is their lot line to me too.

667
00:31:05,265 --> 00:31:06,945
It goes all the way from the front to the back

668
00:31:07,765 --> 00:31:09,745
and this is the area that I'm, I'm looking to use.

669
00:31:09,765 --> 00:31:12,425
So both, both folks are in full support of

670
00:31:12,425 --> 00:31:13,625
what we're trying to accomplish here.

671
00:31:14,775 --> 00:31:16,465
Alright. Happy to answer any questions.

672
00:31:17,065 --> 00:31:20,105
If there's no objection, then we can ask

673
00:31:20,105 --> 00:31:22,425
that those two letters be transcribed into the record.

674
00:31:26,165 --> 00:31:28,465
Are there questions from members of the board first?

675
00:31:29,535 --> 00:31:33,465
Yeah, I have a question. I

676
00:31:33,465 --> 00:31:34,585
correct me if I heard this.

677
00:31:34,745 --> 00:31:36,625
I, I wanna make sure that I heard it correctly.

678
00:31:37,325 --> 00:31:40,305
So at one time the area where the trees

679
00:31:40,305 --> 00:31:44,585
and shrub were, were delineated as wetland,

680
00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:46,385
but now it's changed what?

681
00:31:46,385 --> 00:31:47,585
It was like a vernal pool.

682
00:31:47,585 --> 00:31:51,465
Is it just like a, does does the topo just slope

683
00:31:51,465 --> 00:31:52,625
off and it No,

684
00:31:52,805 --> 00:31:53,805
No.

685
00:31:53,805 --> 00:31:56,305
I think that's just either a misunderstanding

686
00:31:56,365 --> 00:31:57,505
or a misreading or,

687
00:31:57,505 --> 00:32:01,745
or misrepresentation in some way that, that proposed

688
00:32:01,755 --> 00:32:04,945
where it says the sign right there that says proposed tree

689
00:32:04,945 --> 00:32:07,625
and shrub storage area, right in that whole area,

690
00:32:07,625 --> 00:32:08,785
right there is an upland.

691
00:32:09,495 --> 00:32:11,705
It's, it's, it's always been an upland.

692
00:32:11,735 --> 00:32:14,985
It's never not been an upland. It never on any map.

693
00:32:15,365 --> 00:32:17,185
But it's sloping down, correct? It is.

694
00:32:17,535 --> 00:32:18,705
Okay. Well it's flat

695
00:32:18,765 --> 00:32:20,545
but it's, it's raised, I mean it has

696
00:32:20,545 --> 00:32:22,065
to slope at some point to get to the water.

697
00:32:22,085 --> 00:32:25,945
Yes. Yeah. But part of the, if you, if you read onto some

698
00:32:25,945 --> 00:32:29,625
of the notes from TRC, part of it is to, to go

699
00:32:29,625 --> 00:32:32,425
around the entire perimeter of it just as a extra barrier

700
00:32:32,525 --> 00:32:36,465
to put in some drainage if you will. Yeah.

701
00:32:37,045 --> 00:32:39,845
And then I'm, I'm gonna assume,

702
00:32:39,945 --> 00:32:41,085
or maybe I shouldn't assume

703
00:32:41,195 --> 00:32:43,765
that we looked at a hundred year floodplain

704
00:32:43,765 --> 00:32:45,045
and 500 year flood plane.

705
00:32:45,065 --> 00:32:47,405
It doesn't affect that area at all. It's

706
00:32:47,405 --> 00:32:48,565
Not, I don't know about that on the plan.

707
00:32:49,225 --> 00:32:50,845
I'm sorry. The flood there, this area,

708
00:32:51,155 --> 00:32:53,245
this lot is not in a floodplain.

709
00:32:54,195 --> 00:32:55,765
Okay. But you got wetland on the,

710
00:32:55,765 --> 00:32:57,165
there's bottom line, right?

711
00:32:57,885 --> 00:32:59,925
So yeah, there's just a lot of wetland on it.

712
00:33:00,305 --> 00:33:03,245
So there, the wa the water goes from the other side

713
00:33:03,245 --> 00:33:04,805
of the road, like wishing well side

714
00:33:04,805 --> 00:33:06,565
and then comes under the road

715
00:33:06,905 --> 00:33:09,325
and then down through this parcel toward to the back.

716
00:33:09,795 --> 00:33:12,645
Okay. Yeah. But, but if I, yeah.

717
00:33:12,955 --> 00:33:14,165
Went to the GIS map

718
00:33:14,905 --> 00:33:17,805
and I clicked on the hundred year floodplain, what happens

719
00:33:18,785 --> 00:33:21,165
It, this should not be in the hundred year floodplain.

720
00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:22,805
Okay. To best of my knowledge. Yeah.

721
00:33:23,155 --> 00:33:27,285
Alright. And those are,

722
00:33:27,895 --> 00:33:29,365
those are plantings that you sell?

723
00:33:29,365 --> 00:33:31,525
They're not planted in the ground there? That's correct.

724
00:33:31,965 --> 00:33:33,085
Plantings that we sell, They balled

725
00:33:33,085 --> 00:33:34,165
up. Right. And you sell either

726
00:33:34,165 --> 00:33:36,965
Bald and burlaps or they're in containers. Yep.

727
00:33:37,035 --> 00:33:40,045
Okay. Alright, thank you. Any other questions from the

728
00:33:40,045 --> 00:33:41,645
board to start Mr.

729
00:33:41,825 --> 00:33:43,485
Moy? Mr. Yco? Yes.

730
00:33:44,535 --> 00:33:46,085
Where your proposed spot is

731
00:33:46,085 --> 00:33:47,725
where you're putting your plants and shrubs?

732
00:33:47,825 --> 00:33:51,005
Yes. All that blue area that's going around that Yep.

733
00:33:51,005 --> 00:33:53,525
Though I'm assuming that's wetland, correct? That's correct.

734
00:33:53,635 --> 00:33:55,645
Yeah. Will there be increased foot traffic

735
00:33:55,705 --> 00:33:57,845
or will there be increased bobcat traffic

736
00:33:58,155 --> 00:33:59,365
getting your shrubs

737
00:34:00,425 --> 00:34:02,165
Not in, in that area? Not in that area, no.

738
00:34:02,355 --> 00:34:04,765
Okay. No. So I was just worried about what, I mean

739
00:34:04,955 --> 00:34:08,485
that traffic is gonna impact that a

740
00:34:08,485 --> 00:34:09,485
Little bit.

741
00:34:09,485 --> 00:34:10,965
We won't, it it's designed specifically

742
00:34:11,025 --> 00:34:13,645
and approved specifically to only cross

743
00:34:14,425 --> 00:34:16,885
but high-end dry land, either by foot

744
00:34:16,945 --> 00:34:18,885
or by small machine. Okay.

745
00:34:19,395 --> 00:34:20,805
That was my only question. Thank you.

746
00:34:21,515 --> 00:34:24,645
Okay. Any other initial questions from the board?

747
00:34:25,625 --> 00:34:27,785
Is there any member of, of the public who has comments

748
00:34:27,805 --> 00:34:31,105
or questions, either in the audience or remotely,

749
00:34:37,715 --> 00:34:38,715
Mr.

750
00:34:38,715 --> 00:34:39,415
Chair received none. Rise online.

751
00:34:39,955 --> 00:34:41,575
Oh, I see a hand or two.

752
00:34:43,155 --> 00:34:46,725
So gentlemen, Mr.

753
00:34:46,755 --> 00:34:48,605
Card, why don't you come up and use the, the portable mic

754
00:34:48,605 --> 00:34:50,565
so these guys can sit where they are

755
00:34:50,705 --> 00:34:53,405
and I'd like to, you know, have them answer your questions

756
00:34:53,465 --> 00:34:54,765
as you raise them as opposed

757
00:34:54,785 --> 00:34:56,525
to at the end of the whole session.

758
00:35:09,965 --> 00:35:12,625
Tom Cardin, two cunning. Is that on? Okay.

759
00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:13,785
Tom Cardin, two Cunningham.

760
00:35:13,785 --> 00:35:15,505
Do I have, I have a couple questions here.

761
00:35:15,565 --> 00:35:18,305
The, the first one is, is the wetlands.

762
00:35:20,065 --> 00:35:23,025
'cause I noticed on the GIS map, I did see some wetlands.

763
00:35:23,025 --> 00:35:24,585
Did you say you saw some on there too, Brian?

764
00:35:25,325 --> 00:35:27,745
No, no. I, I just wanted to know if it was in a,

765
00:35:27,765 --> 00:35:31,625
in a hundred year floodplain, because you can go onto GAS

766
00:35:31,625 --> 00:35:32,705
and, and see the map

767
00:35:32,705 --> 00:35:33,985
and click on the little icon

768
00:35:33,985 --> 00:35:36,145
to see if it is in the a hundred or 500 year

769
00:35:36,145 --> 00:35:37,145
Flood.

770
00:35:37,145 --> 00:35:38,845
Yeah, I, I did see a little bit of, of wetlands there

771
00:35:39,025 --> 00:35:40,205
and you know, I mean I,

772
00:35:40,365 --> 00:35:43,125
I live about a mile down the, down the road.

773
00:35:43,465 --> 00:35:48,045
So I know one of the things about the, the wetlands, I used

774
00:35:48,045 --> 00:35:52,245
to have a, a large area of my lawn that I couldn't,

775
00:35:52,485 --> 00:35:56,245
I couldn't really mow until like August or September

776
00:35:56,245 --> 00:35:57,565
because it was wet back there.

777
00:35:57,565 --> 00:35:59,365
But that hasn't been wet there the last couple

778
00:35:59,365 --> 00:36:00,405
of years indicating

779
00:36:00,405 --> 00:36:02,885
that obviously the water level has gone down.

780
00:36:03,065 --> 00:36:07,165
So, you know, again, I'm just concerned about, you know,

781
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:11,365
where the, the, where the proposed shrubs and trees are.

782
00:36:12,275 --> 00:36:14,645
There's no wetlands in there at all.

783
00:36:15,305 --> 00:36:18,125
Is that true? Is that what I heard?

784
00:36:18,305 --> 00:36:20,605
That's correct. That's, I had, that's, I had the entire

785
00:36:21,195 --> 00:36:23,685
area re delineated by a, a scientist.

786
00:36:23,995 --> 00:36:25,685
Okay. I I don't, I don't claim

787
00:36:25,685 --> 00:36:26,725
to be a wetland scientist. Yeah,

788
00:36:26,725 --> 00:36:29,165
No, I I I know Now is, is that something that has to be

789
00:36:30,305 --> 00:36:32,605
looked at by the Conservation Commission or?

790
00:36:33,275 --> 00:36:35,605
Well, if, if they wanted to, I guess they would've,

791
00:36:36,025 --> 00:36:37,025
It has been address.

792
00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:39,645
So Tom, the way this

793
00:36:40,255 --> 00:36:43,845
works is wetlands are delineated not simply by water,

794
00:36:43,845 --> 00:36:45,925
they're delineated by the types of soil

795
00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:48,085
and the types of plants that are growing there.

796
00:36:48,235 --> 00:36:52,165
Okay. And while the water may dry up in a season, the plants

797
00:36:52,185 --> 00:36:53,485
and the soil don't change.

798
00:36:53,665 --> 00:36:55,765
So I presume that, that your wetland

799
00:36:56,365 --> 00:36:57,605
scientist looked at all of those factors?

800
00:36:57,875 --> 00:37:00,805
Yeah, he, he, he looked at different plants

801
00:37:00,805 --> 00:37:02,205
that are in the ground, things

802
00:37:02,205 --> 00:37:03,605
that were there, things that had died off.

803
00:37:03,605 --> 00:37:04,845
And they also take core samples.

804
00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:07,805
So, you know, there's no like filling a wetland.

805
00:37:07,865 --> 00:37:10,125
It goes, they, they take core samples, I don't know, 12,

806
00:37:10,405 --> 00:37:12,925
18 inches down so it can look at the soil over

807
00:37:13,485 --> 00:37:14,685
I guess a lot of years.

808
00:37:15,515 --> 00:37:19,605
Okay. Alright. And the, the water is from Pancho now is,

809
00:37:19,665 --> 00:37:20,845
is that well water

810
00:37:20,945 --> 00:37:24,325
or is that brought in from Manchester Waterworks,

811
00:37:25,705 --> 00:37:27,935
Pench water town Chu Yeah,

812
00:37:28,165 --> 00:37:29,335
Town water, I guess. Yeah.

813
00:37:29,685 --> 00:37:31,135
Well, town, well, I mean,

814
00:37:31,135 --> 00:37:33,975
because you know, again, I, I live over in that area.

815
00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:35,575
I have, I have chu

816
00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:41,055
and there's 105 houses in my area

817
00:37:41,755 --> 00:37:44,135
and we have like two, two separate wells.

818
00:37:44,135 --> 00:37:45,655
They're close to one another.

819
00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:48,495
And they originally were pumping

820
00:37:49,175 --> 00:37:50,375
probably about five years ago, three,

821
00:37:50,375 --> 00:37:54,335
four gallons per minute for, for the wells, for both of 'em,

822
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:55,895
for each one.

823
00:37:55,955 --> 00:37:59,615
So it was like, you know, 68, 68 gallons per minute.

824
00:37:59,795 --> 00:38:02,335
Now we're, now it's down to 34 gallons per minute.

825
00:38:03,035 --> 00:38:05,575
So I'm just concerned about the water use.

826
00:38:06,515 --> 00:38:08,655
So let me see if I can clarify this.

827
00:38:08,655 --> 00:38:12,375
You're concerned that the additional plants will need

828
00:38:12,375 --> 00:38:14,575
to be watered and that will cause additional water draw?

829
00:38:14,575 --> 00:38:16,135
Yeah. Correct. Yeah, yeah. That's my question.

830
00:38:16,135 --> 00:38:19,975
Anyone hear from public Works happen to know which section

831
00:38:19,995 --> 00:38:23,535
of the town of dairy water system this property is on?

832
00:38:24,415 --> 00:38:25,895
I do. Okay.

833
00:38:26,085 --> 00:38:30,375
They are on the extended dairy water supply system at Wind.

834
00:38:30,645 --> 00:38:34,215
When, when water was expanded up Stead Road,

835
00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:38,365
it tied into the chu system near Olson, which terminates,

836
00:38:38,685 --> 00:38:40,485
actually, I believe their hydrant on their

837
00:38:40,725 --> 00:38:41,805
property is the last one on the line.

838
00:38:41,805 --> 00:38:44,205
Think that's so it it, it sources from Pench,

839
00:38:44,265 --> 00:38:45,805
not from Manchester Waterworks? No.

840
00:38:46,145 --> 00:38:48,245
It dairy is both correct?

841
00:38:48,245 --> 00:38:50,965
Both it's tied into the Manchester Waterworks via

842
00:38:50,985 --> 00:38:52,045
the dairy water system.

843
00:38:52,795 --> 00:38:57,485
Okay. But backed up. So it's not coming from Wells,

844
00:38:58,435 --> 00:39:00,165
It's coming from Manchester Waterworks.

845
00:39:00,165 --> 00:39:02,405
Yes. Okay. Yeah, that was right. I I kind of figured that

846
00:39:02,405 --> 00:39:03,405
That's what we were gonna ask.

847
00:39:03,405 --> 00:39:05,165
Yeah. Great. Thank you. Answer that. Okay. That's correct.

848
00:39:05,165 --> 00:39:06,965
Yes. This trails the only, you're, you're nodding your head.

849
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:09,045
That is correct. Yes. Okay, thank you. Yeah,

850
00:39:09,165 --> 00:39:11,325
'cause that's, I mean, I'm concerned about water up in my

851
00:39:11,325 --> 00:39:13,685
eyes, never concerned, but I certainly am now.

852
00:39:14,305 --> 00:39:16,205
And how many trees

853
00:39:16,265 --> 00:39:18,205
and shrubs are approximately gonna be

854
00:39:18,205 --> 00:39:21,845
there at any given time? I know it's a,

855
00:39:21,945 --> 00:39:24,205
That's a loaded question to be honest. I I, well,

856
00:39:24,205 --> 00:39:25,245
I, I know just to give an

857
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:26,965
estimate and I will hold you to it. A couple hundred.

858
00:39:27,345 --> 00:39:28,485
Huh? Couple hundred maybe.

859
00:39:28,595 --> 00:39:30,565
Okay. Yeah. Ubs, that's, that's my question. That's all.

860
00:39:30,735 --> 00:39:32,005
Thank you very much. Thank

861
00:39:32,005 --> 00:39:33,005
You.

862
00:39:33,005 --> 00:39:34,325
Someone else had their hand up please.

863
00:39:35,315 --> 00:39:37,725
Yeah, come on up and, and use the, the portable mic

864
00:39:37,725 --> 00:39:39,365
and we'll get your questions answered.

865
00:39:43,505 --> 00:39:45,645
Andrew Roja 1 64 Hampstead Road.

866
00:39:46,585 --> 00:39:50,765
It appears that the new area is actually an island kind

867
00:39:50,765 --> 00:39:52,045
of surrounded by wetlands.

868
00:39:52,225 --> 00:39:53,525
And I understand Mr.

869
00:39:53,945 --> 00:39:56,765
Yco has indicated that they don't use fertilizers.

870
00:39:56,865 --> 00:39:58,645
Is that correct, Mr. Yco? That's

871
00:39:58,645 --> 00:39:59,645
Correct.

872
00:39:59,645 --> 00:40:01,525
Okay. But do any of your suppliers,

873
00:40:01,765 --> 00:40:03,965
'cause you buy wholesale, so how do we know

874
00:40:04,315 --> 00:40:07,525
that these large balls of shrub don't have

875
00:40:08,325 --> 00:40:11,205
fertilizers in them and these, if they do exist,

876
00:40:11,305 --> 00:40:13,125
are most certainly gonna run into wetland

877
00:40:13,365 --> 00:40:15,125
'cause it entirely surrounds this?

878
00:40:15,155 --> 00:40:16,965
That, that would be my question.

879
00:40:18,355 --> 00:40:21,485
Okay. Thank you. Yeah, so I believe Mr. Rose

880
00:40:21,545 --> 00:40:22,685
was probably at the first meeting too.

881
00:40:22,705 --> 00:40:24,125
I'm not a hundred percent sure when I was here.

882
00:40:24,465 --> 00:40:27,765
And I did go through the whole process of, you know,

883
00:40:27,765 --> 00:40:31,365
what growers do as far as what they're regulated to do with,

884
00:40:31,395 --> 00:40:33,805
through the, you know, the United States Department

885
00:40:33,805 --> 00:40:35,645
of Agriculture, they're not allowed

886
00:40:35,645 --> 00:40:37,405
to ship balding burlap trees that have,

887
00:40:37,405 --> 00:40:38,725
haven't have been fertilized

888
00:40:38,725 --> 00:40:39,925
within a certain amount of time.

889
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:43,125
So when they show up to nurseries and garden centers like us

890
00:40:43,185 --> 00:40:46,005
and then are replanted in people's yards, they're free

891
00:40:46,005 --> 00:40:47,005
of those fertilizers.

892
00:40:47,275 --> 00:40:48,925
They can fertilize up until that time.

893
00:40:48,945 --> 00:40:50,445
But everything dissipates over time.

894
00:40:51,235 --> 00:40:53,045
Just like a chemical leaves your body over time.

895
00:40:53,075 --> 00:40:57,525
Same thing with a tree. That process is, is regulated by the

896
00:40:58,225 --> 00:41:01,085
US Department of Agriculture nurseries are checked,

897
00:41:01,565 --> 00:41:04,245
I get certifications with every load of nursery stock,

898
00:41:04,245 --> 00:41:08,525
whether it be a small one gallon pl plant or a tree.

899
00:41:08,525 --> 00:41:12,285
That that's, that's true in certified,

900
00:41:12,665 --> 00:41:14,605
the smaller plants come in, come

901
00:41:14,605 --> 00:41:18,325
with the container plants come with a slow release tab.

902
00:41:18,385 --> 00:41:20,405
In those plants, if you've ever purchased one,

903
00:41:20,405 --> 00:41:23,205
you saw they look like a bunch of, I don't know, nerds,

904
00:41:23,515 --> 00:41:26,045
nerd clusters, if you will, inside the plants.

905
00:41:26,255 --> 00:41:28,205
Those are designed, I went through this last time

906
00:41:28,205 --> 00:41:29,405
and handed out some paperwork.

907
00:41:29,615 --> 00:41:32,845
Those are designed to only release when the, the temperature

908
00:41:32,845 --> 00:41:35,365
of the soil is above, between 75

909
00:41:35,365 --> 00:41:38,765
and 80 degrees for a period of 20 to 30 days or longer.

910
00:41:38,945 --> 00:41:40,405
So if you buy the plant from us,

911
00:41:40,405 --> 00:41:42,005
nothing has happened with that fertilizer.

912
00:41:42,005 --> 00:41:45,005
It just sits there until it actually is planted in the soil.

913
00:41:45,385 --> 00:41:47,405
The ground becomes warm throughout the summer.

914
00:41:48,385 --> 00:41:51,845
And then in New England, it almost, it very rarely happens.

915
00:41:52,045 --> 00:41:54,965
I wish it did, but further south the ground

916
00:41:55,055 --> 00:41:56,205
stays warmer for longer.

917
00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:58,925
So it does help in southern, southern climates.

918
00:42:00,095 --> 00:42:03,125
Again, not to bore anyone to tears, but nurseries and,

919
00:42:03,145 --> 00:42:04,485
and trees are based in,

920
00:42:04,725 --> 00:42:06,925
shrubs are based on zones zone specific.

921
00:42:06,925 --> 00:42:08,165
That's why when you go up to Canada,

922
00:42:08,265 --> 00:42:09,525
you only see basically a few

923
00:42:09,525 --> 00:42:10,925
different types of plants and trees.

924
00:42:11,865 --> 00:42:13,045
And then you go further south

925
00:42:13,045 --> 00:42:15,085
and you can buy po you can, you see palm trees.

926
00:42:15,545 --> 00:42:19,605
So that the really, those fertilizers only actually work in,

927
00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:22,525
in areas that are like zone six and below

928
00:42:22,665 --> 00:42:24,165
or above, rather in, in number.

929
00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:26,805
We are a zone five, four or five.

930
00:42:26,985 --> 00:42:28,965
So when those are planted in the ground here,

931
00:42:28,995 --> 00:42:31,285
they potentially have a chance to actually help the,

932
00:42:31,465 --> 00:42:33,125
the plant once it's sold to the consumer.

933
00:42:33,625 --> 00:42:35,325
But for the most part, it doesn't really

934
00:42:35,355 --> 00:42:36,925
ever do anything anyway.

935
00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:40,565
It never actually happens. So it's very regulated coming

936
00:42:40,565 --> 00:42:42,725
from the US Department of Agriculture.

937
00:42:42,725 --> 00:42:45,845
We don't fertilize, we don't do any feeding of plants.

938
00:42:46,565 --> 00:42:47,965
We don't have any certifications.

939
00:42:48,105 --> 00:42:51,205
We also have, have our, our property walked

940
00:42:52,895 --> 00:42:55,645
three to five times a year by the New Hampshire Department

941
00:42:55,645 --> 00:42:59,005
of Agriculture looking for, for any concerns, issues

942
00:42:59,005 --> 00:43:01,365
that there might be, whether it be a bug or a beetle

943
00:43:01,365 --> 00:43:05,645
or a a a a practice that we shouldn't be having

944
00:43:06,955 --> 00:43:09,205
some of which might be brought up here tonight.

945
00:43:09,305 --> 00:43:11,525
But if they saw fertilizers on plants,

946
00:43:12,075 --> 00:43:13,925
when I don't have a license, I, I wouldn't be

947
00:43:13,925 --> 00:43:15,005
around very long in business.

948
00:43:15,085 --> 00:43:16,205
I, I'm just not allowed to do it.

949
00:43:17,355 --> 00:43:19,445
Okay, thank you. I I mean,

950
00:43:19,485 --> 00:43:22,645
I still do question having over a hundred plants in a

951
00:43:22,885 --> 00:43:24,365
concentrated area, you know,

952
00:43:24,365 --> 00:43:26,485
having one plant plant in somebody's yard

953
00:43:26,625 --> 00:43:29,805
and the amount that leeches out is not harmful

954
00:43:29,805 --> 00:43:31,965
because it's regulated may be one thing,

955
00:43:32,385 --> 00:43:36,285
but having a concentrated bulk of them in an island

956
00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:39,685
surrounded by wetlands seems to me like something

957
00:43:39,685 --> 00:43:43,805
that should be having some environmental survey being done

958
00:43:43,905 --> 00:43:45,645
to ensure that there won't be impact.

959
00:43:45,745 --> 00:43:49,165
But that's not something I'm an expert in.

960
00:43:50,045 --> 00:43:53,005
I would also just note, just for, just for some knowledge

961
00:43:53,005 --> 00:43:54,365
and clarity for the board and,

962
00:43:54,385 --> 00:43:57,925
and the public, any fertilizers that plants,

963
00:43:58,835 --> 00:44:02,125
even if I was or there was fertilizers present in these

964
00:44:02,125 --> 00:44:04,285
plants, they were about 20,

965
00:44:05,785 --> 00:44:07,165
20 times less.

966
00:44:07,465 --> 00:44:10,885
Or I guess I would say use the opposite lawn fertilizers

967
00:44:10,885 --> 00:44:12,685
that anybody is allowed to purchase

968
00:44:12,685 --> 00:44:16,365
and buy in from either a service or at Benson's

969
00:44:16,545 --> 00:44:19,565
or Home Depot or 20 times more

970
00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:23,845
concentrated and harmful to the environment than anything

971
00:44:24,225 --> 00:44:26,165
plants are used in any nurseries.

972
00:44:27,435 --> 00:44:28,645
Just for what it's worth.

973
00:44:31,865 --> 00:44:33,885
That's all I had. Thank you. Thank you.

974
00:44:44,775 --> 00:44:46,755
Jim Foley, 1 78 Hamstead Road.

975
00:44:48,615 --> 00:44:51,915
You know, a little more than a year ago, the applicant came

976
00:44:51,915 --> 00:44:55,475
before this board and said that he was moving to dairy

977
00:44:55,675 --> 00:44:57,515
'cause he wanted to scale back his nursery business.

978
00:44:57,515 --> 00:44:59,635
And now here we are, he wants to double in his size.

979
00:45:00,975 --> 00:45:02,635
He told this board and the abutters

980
00:45:02,635 --> 00:45:04,675
that he was gonna put up this buffer of our variety trees

981
00:45:05,775 --> 00:45:07,075
to provide us some privacy.

982
00:45:07,135 --> 00:45:09,235
And then he turned around and went to the zoning board

983
00:45:09,235 --> 00:45:12,915
of Adjustment to get a oversized commercial backlit sign

984
00:45:13,065 --> 00:45:15,315
because the trees brought the view of his business.

985
00:45:17,015 --> 00:45:19,435
He stated that landscaping materials would be delivered

986
00:45:19,435 --> 00:45:21,515
by live bottom trucks, some may,

987
00:45:21,935 --> 00:45:24,995
but almost every single day, the entire neighborhoods,

988
00:45:25,215 --> 00:45:29,115
the banging of the hydraulic gates as it delivers materials.

989
00:45:30,295 --> 00:45:33,355
He came to our houses and promised to be a good neighbor.

990
00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:35,115
And he had discussed with us what he was going

991
00:45:35,115 --> 00:45:36,835
to do once he got the approval.

992
00:45:37,165 --> 00:45:38,555
We've not heard from him since.

993
00:45:39,575 --> 00:45:43,035
My specific objections are these, the plan states

994
00:45:43,035 --> 00:45:45,395
that the zoning is LMDR,

995
00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:49,955
but this is a commercial enterprise stuck in the middle

996
00:45:50,535 --> 00:45:55,035
of a, a residential area, gone through back

997
00:45:55,035 --> 00:45:56,155
and forth churches,

998
00:45:56,675 --> 00:45:58,595
whatever has been converted is still a business

999
00:45:58,595 --> 00:45:59,795
of commercial enterprises.

1000
00:45:59,975 --> 00:46:02,195
And so the setback requirements should be

1001
00:46:02,195 --> 00:46:04,235
commercial, not residential.

1002
00:46:06,935 --> 00:46:10,235
His previous plan cut the number of parking spaces to 110.

1003
00:46:10,375 --> 00:46:11,435
Now there's no discussion

1004
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:14,155
of parking spaces on the current plan,

1005
00:46:15,135 --> 00:46:17,035
but looking at the dairy's own notes

1006
00:46:17,035 --> 00:46:18,915
and all the rest of what it is, it's a little difficult

1007
00:46:18,915 --> 00:46:20,555
because you have Northeast Athletics

1008
00:46:20,575 --> 00:46:24,435
and you have the, you have the Dell Hunter nurses,

1009
00:46:26,735 --> 00:46:28,975
the Catholic church,

1010
00:46:28,975 --> 00:46:30,935
what was the Catholic church was now Northeast

1011
00:46:31,945 --> 00:46:35,415
elite athletics would require 60 parking spaces.

1012
00:46:37,595 --> 00:46:39,695
So you're taking away parking spaces

1013
00:46:39,795 --> 00:46:41,775
by putting up these new storage areas,

1014
00:46:41,775 --> 00:46:44,415
these new plant areas, these new buildings and all the rest.

1015
00:46:45,075 --> 00:46:46,775
How many parking areas is he required

1016
00:46:46,775 --> 00:46:49,415
to have under the regulations in this town?

1017
00:46:51,035 --> 00:46:53,775
And I will go back and forth on this. So let, let

1018
00:46:53,775 --> 00:46:56,455
Me, yeah, let me suggest that in order to get answers

1019
00:46:56,555 --> 00:46:58,615
to questions, maybe pause

1020
00:46:58,615 --> 00:47:00,735
after each question and let them answer it. So

1021
00:47:00,735 --> 00:47:01,735
That's my question.

1022
00:47:01,995 --> 00:47:04,015
So let's, let's ask a question about

1023
00:47:04,015 --> 00:47:05,135
parking and, and ask Mr.

1024
00:47:05,285 --> 00:47:06,285
Yako to address it.

1025
00:47:07,355 --> 00:47:09,195
I could answer that. Was there a question? Yeah,

1026
00:47:11,655 --> 00:47:12,655
Go ahead.

1027
00:47:12,655 --> 00:47:14,715
I could answer that. Yeah. Yeah. So the original site plan

1028
00:47:14,715 --> 00:47:18,835
did take into account the parking calculation.

1029
00:47:19,175 --> 00:47:21,915
The applicant did meet the parking need

1030
00:47:21,935 --> 00:47:23,955
for the site for the two uses.

1031
00:47:24,465 --> 00:47:27,635
This plan does not change that parking, the areas

1032
00:47:27,665 --> 00:47:30,245
that he's using are outside of the parking areas.

1033
00:47:31,585 --> 00:47:32,965
Is he not putting in new,

1034
00:47:34,265 --> 00:47:36,525
Not in areas where there is existing parking

1035
00:47:36,945 --> 00:47:37,965
or where there was parking.

1036
00:47:38,565 --> 00:47:40,765
I find that strange's credibility when part

1037
00:47:40,765 --> 00:47:42,485
of the discussion was before is that no parking

1038
00:47:42,505 --> 00:47:44,165
or cars would be allowed where equipment was

1039
00:47:44,165 --> 00:47:45,325
backing up or being used.

1040
00:47:46,585 --> 00:47:49,325
And I look at the map, that's

1041
00:47:49,325 --> 00:47:51,405
where the parking is and that's the new,

1042
00:47:52,725 --> 00:47:55,725
Nothing changed in that upper section of the plan.

1043
00:47:55,905 --> 00:47:57,925
The only thing that changed is in the green areas

1044
00:47:58,065 --> 00:48:01,645
and then on the, in the green areas and then on that island.

1045
00:48:02,345 --> 00:48:03,345
And I believe that we were from

1046
00:48:03,345 --> 00:48:04,885
The previously approved plan And I,

1047
00:48:05,045 --> 00:48:07,485
I think the only change on parking was where we,

1048
00:48:07,905 --> 00:48:09,925
in the front where the, it's not shown on this.

1049
00:48:09,945 --> 00:48:12,685
The shed was removed. It actually gained two parking spaces.

1050
00:48:12,845 --> 00:48:15,525
D empty gained spaces. I would go

1051
00:48:16,125 --> 00:48:17,165
a little bit back and forth.

1052
00:48:17,165 --> 00:48:20,645
According to the dairy town of dairy's own website notes,

1053
00:48:21,275 --> 00:48:24,765
this property is served by the Penacook wells

1054
00:48:25,355 --> 00:48:27,725
that pulls water from the aquifer

1055
00:48:29,105 --> 00:48:30,645
are located on wells.

1056
00:48:30,645 --> 00:48:31,725
Were located on Olson Road.

1057
00:48:32,965 --> 00:48:34,425
The fact of the matter is, is that

1058
00:48:34,425 --> 00:48:35,985
that's an re stressed aquifer

1059
00:48:36,405 --> 00:48:39,265
and it's concerned that the additional water usage may harm

1060
00:48:39,265 --> 00:48:41,785
that, that is from the dairy's own website. Alright,

1061
00:48:41,785 --> 00:48:43,745
So let's, let's try to resolve that.

1062
00:48:43,805 --> 00:48:47,065
We had testimony from a couple of folks in,

1063
00:48:47,125 --> 00:48:50,265
in acquiescence from our Public works folks.

1064
00:48:50,665 --> 00:48:53,065
Let's, let's get that resolved since you've challenged that.

1065
00:48:54,055 --> 00:48:57,545
Well, Mr. Chairman, couldn't you solve that easily

1066
00:48:57,685 --> 00:48:59,425
by saying, do you get a bill from Penant chuck

1067
00:48:59,425 --> 00:49:00,625
or do you get a bill from the town?

1068
00:49:01,265 --> 00:49:02,625
I mean, that's pretty simple.

1069
00:49:03,415 --> 00:49:05,065
Well, no, there's a whole bunch

1070
00:49:05,065 --> 00:49:08,145
of communities in this town that are served by chu

1071
00:49:08,535 --> 00:49:11,025
that draw their water from site water wells,

1072
00:49:11,605 --> 00:49:14,065
all the Meadowbrook, they get their,

1073
00:49:14,065 --> 00:49:15,625
they get their bill from Penacook,

1074
00:49:15,845 --> 00:49:19,185
but Penacook draws that water from a well in the aquifer.

1075
00:49:19,255 --> 00:49:23,025
East dairy. This is your own website that while the town

1076
00:49:23,025 --> 00:49:25,145
of dairy's cold water system does, let's,

1077
00:49:25,145 --> 00:49:26,585
Let's let the engineer answer the question

1078
00:49:26,585 --> 00:49:27,585
Please.

1079
00:49:27,585 --> 00:49:29,905
So that, that was how it was originally constructed

1080
00:49:29,905 --> 00:49:32,185
and when Pen Chuck put it in there, that was, but,

1081
00:49:32,285 --> 00:49:37,185
but it is now tied into the Manchester system as a backup.

1082
00:49:37,205 --> 00:49:38,705
So it's a combined system at this point.

1083
00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:41,625
So if the well ever did have capacity issues,

1084
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:44,425
if the pressure was ever low, it is backed up

1085
00:49:44,425 --> 00:49:47,345
and supplemented by Manchester Waterworks system.

1086
00:49:47,845 --> 00:49:49,505
So there wouldn't be capacity issues

1087
00:49:49,845 --> 00:49:52,115
For them. I'm not, no.

1088
00:49:52,115 --> 00:49:53,875
For the entire system. I'm

1089
00:49:53,875 --> 00:49:55,955
Not backed up to any waterworks.

1090
00:49:56,035 --> 00:49:57,115
I have a, I have a well

1091
00:49:57,115 --> 00:49:59,555
For any system, any connection to

1092
00:49:59,555 --> 00:50:01,155
that penant chuck system. Yes,

1093
00:50:01,535 --> 00:50:02,535
Yes.

1094
00:50:02,535 --> 00:50:06,035
But the neighbors, the Abutters are not connected

1095
00:50:06,035 --> 00:50:08,675
to the Manchester Waterworks and not connected to the puck.

1096
00:50:08,975 --> 00:50:12,635
He is drawing water and if it runs out, then fine.

1097
00:50:12,635 --> 00:50:15,675
He gets backed up by the Manchester Waterworks. We don't.

1098
00:50:18,415 --> 00:50:20,275
Now, it's interesting, this whole discussion about

1099
00:50:20,595 --> 00:50:23,515
fertilizers, if we're not using fertilizers

1100
00:50:23,515 --> 00:50:25,715
or fertilizers aren't to be used, which is a big,

1101
00:50:25,895 --> 00:50:27,035
big issue in the last one.

1102
00:50:27,435 --> 00:50:30,485
Note 15 on the plan says fertilizers will be used,

1103
00:50:30,905 --> 00:50:35,045
but they're only used in self-contained pots or whatever.

1104
00:50:35,305 --> 00:50:37,525
It still means fertilizers are being used in the property.

1105
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:40,485
I have a concern about fertilizers being used in the

1106
00:50:40,645 --> 00:50:43,005
property that's on the plan Note number 15.

1107
00:50:44,515 --> 00:50:47,405
This bit about, you know, the, the opening

1108
00:50:47,465 --> 00:50:50,725
of the business somehow decreased the traffic flow on,

1109
00:50:51,505 --> 00:50:52,645
on Hampstead Road.

1110
00:50:53,145 --> 00:50:57,645
Simply again, strains credibility, comparing it to a church

1111
00:50:57,645 --> 00:51:01,645
that last had services on Christmas day of 2019

1112
00:51:02,425 --> 00:51:03,685
to what takes place today.

1113
00:51:03,945 --> 00:51:07,085
Of course the business has increased traffic on the road.

1114
00:51:09,225 --> 00:51:11,165
We do have concerns about the drainage

1115
00:51:11,185 --> 00:51:13,725
and the wetland concerns and all the rest.

1116
00:51:15,665 --> 00:51:19,765
It just, it's an expansion beyond what was ca

1117
00:51:19,765 --> 00:51:21,085
what they came to us before.

1118
00:51:21,675 --> 00:51:23,885
It's not a minor change, it's a major change.

1119
00:51:24,985 --> 00:51:28,685
And again, our water, our traffic, our site views,

1120
00:51:28,985 --> 00:51:33,165
the noise, the for use of fertilizer is the wetland

1121
00:51:33,165 --> 00:51:36,325
and the drainage I'll have concerns with. Thank you.

1122
00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:40,385
Thank you. I I,

1123
00:51:40,495 --> 00:51:42,425
I'll answer a question if there's one

1124
00:51:42,425 --> 00:51:43,745
particular question I guess that,

1125
00:51:44,655 --> 00:51:46,985
Well I think these are, are rattled off six things he

1126
00:51:46,985 --> 00:51:47,985
concerned one of the questions, but if you have

1127
00:51:47,985 --> 00:51:48,705
a comment Sure,

1128
00:51:49,135 --> 00:51:50,135
Sure.

1129
00:51:50,135 --> 00:51:51,785
I mean, I, I add, I, I had, I think one

1130
00:51:51,785 --> 00:51:53,465
of the main things he spoke about was the

1131
00:51:54,855 --> 00:51:57,225
note 15 on the original plan that you, that was

1132
00:51:57,875 --> 00:51:58,985
voted on a year ago.

1133
00:51:59,015 --> 00:52:00,945
Unanimously, nothing's changed from that.

1134
00:52:01,845 --> 00:52:04,425
I'm using this, nothing's being used by myself.

1135
00:52:05,345 --> 00:52:07,745
I just spoke to that slow release tab.

1136
00:52:07,845 --> 00:52:09,545
So I think that was the address that,

1137
00:52:09,545 --> 00:52:10,865
that he just had on 15.

1138
00:52:12,115 --> 00:52:13,185
Again, that's, that's nothing

1139
00:52:13,185 --> 00:52:15,585
that's changed since this was voted on a year ago.

1140
00:52:16,345 --> 00:52:18,505
I have not increased any parking.

1141
00:52:19,065 --> 00:52:20,945
I know that was something that was just brought up.

1142
00:52:22,265 --> 00:52:24,545
I mean, I'm sorry, I have not reduced any parking if I,

1143
00:52:24,625 --> 00:52:26,145
I believe I've increased it by two spots

1144
00:52:26,205 --> 00:52:27,465
by removing the shed out front.

1145
00:52:30,345 --> 00:52:32,625
I guess what other concerns did he bring up?

1146
00:52:33,305 --> 00:52:34,825
Increase in traffic. I, I don't,

1147
00:52:34,825 --> 00:52:36,265
there's no traffic study done on that.

1148
00:52:36,425 --> 00:52:40,425
I don't know. I I'm, I I can't even speak to that.

1149
00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:42,385
It's a very busy road. So I don't know.

1150
00:52:44,385 --> 00:52:45,745
I, I think that's it. I think that's,

1151
00:52:45,865 --> 00:52:47,745
I if there's something else specific that I missed

1152
00:52:47,975 --> 00:52:49,625
that someone can remember, I'm happy to answer.

1153
00:52:49,965 --> 00:52:52,945
And I think I'll just add, if I may, that the use that Mr.

1154
00:52:53,235 --> 00:52:55,585
Yanko has going on on this property is allowed

1155
00:52:56,725 --> 00:52:58,745
as preexisting as was the church.

1156
00:52:58,745 --> 00:52:59,745
And now it's this

1157
00:53:04,265 --> 00:53:05,265
Brenda Davison.

1158
00:53:05,265 --> 00:53:06,545
I live on one wishing wall lane.

1159
00:53:07,435 --> 00:53:11,145
We're directly across from him on Hampstead,

1160
00:53:11,285 --> 00:53:12,305
off Hampstead Road.

1161
00:53:13,985 --> 00:53:17,025
Actually, we're up there on there. So some

1162
00:53:17,025 --> 00:53:19,145
of my concerns are one drainage

1163
00:53:19,415 --> 00:53:22,945
that drains across Hampstead onto my property

1164
00:53:23,445 --> 00:53:26,965
and I have a, well, so I have concerns. So

1165
00:53:26,965 --> 00:53:27,965
Lemme ask you about that.

1166
00:53:27,965 --> 00:53:31,005
We heard earlier in the evening that there was a stream

1167
00:53:31,005 --> 00:53:34,445
that flowed from your side of the road onto this property

1168
00:53:34,445 --> 00:53:35,445
and then, then flowed

1169
00:53:35,445 --> 00:53:38,005
and exited the back of the property. Is that correct? No,

1170
00:53:38,185 --> 00:53:39,185
No.

1171
00:53:39,185 --> 00:53:39,525
Goes over flows

1172
00:53:39,525 --> 00:53:41,565
Through the church Onto ours. This yard

1173
00:53:41,875 --> 00:53:44,405
Into, across Hampstead, into welling.

1174
00:53:44,705 --> 00:53:46,445
So the direction is, is, yeah,

1175
00:53:46,445 --> 00:53:48,045
you can see the, you can see the tow on this.

1176
00:53:48,955 --> 00:53:51,325
Okay. Going down towards that corner.

1177
00:53:52,435 --> 00:53:54,325
Okay. So you're increasing watering.

1178
00:53:55,145 --> 00:53:56,765
That's gonna be draining.

1179
00:53:56,765 --> 00:53:58,805
And going into the back of my property,

1180
00:53:58,805 --> 00:54:00,725
which is pretty wet already.

1181
00:54:00,955 --> 00:54:05,085
They're covered. And with the chemicals,

1182
00:54:05,165 --> 00:54:06,325
I have concerns about that.

1183
00:54:07,115 --> 00:54:10,485
Another thing is the noise, you know,

1184
00:54:10,545 --> 00:54:13,925
he said the gates are quiet now on the dump trucks.

1185
00:54:14,395 --> 00:54:16,965
Well, when you're sitting on your couch and that gate hits

1186
00:54:17,625 --> 00:54:20,645
and you jump off your couch because it's so loud.

1187
00:54:20,895 --> 00:54:22,605
Wakes up, your grandkids wakes up,

1188
00:54:23,365 --> 00:54:27,365
grandkids in the house, it's loud. And

1189
00:54:27,365 --> 00:54:27,925
Dogs. Yep.

1190
00:54:28,145 --> 00:54:31,445
The traffic of deliveries coming. I

1191
00:54:31,445 --> 00:54:33,645
Just wonder before we go, like you said, let's pause any

1192
00:54:33,645 --> 00:54:34,645
Address.

1193
00:54:34,645 --> 00:54:35,325
Alright, go. Hold, hold on.

1194
00:54:36,765 --> 00:54:38,645
I understand you're kind of supporting each of them,

1195
00:54:38,825 --> 00:54:41,765
but as individuals you need to get to the mic

1196
00:54:41,765 --> 00:54:43,645
and give your name and address and,

1197
00:54:43,865 --> 00:54:45,445
and speak individually. Thank you. Sure.

1198
00:54:45,445 --> 00:54:47,605
Sorry, will Davison, my wife Brenda,

1199
00:54:47,745 --> 00:54:50,205
we live at one wishing well Lane, sorry

1200
00:54:50,205 --> 00:54:51,405
for tackling this together,

1201
00:54:51,505 --> 00:54:52,925
but that's kind of what we, we do.

1202
00:54:55,125 --> 00:54:56,525
I was just asking my wife to stop

1203
00:54:56,545 --> 00:54:58,725
and let somebody answer the questions.

1204
00:54:58,825 --> 00:55:01,885
One being the noise. The noise, you know, clearly

1205
00:55:02,665 --> 00:55:06,685
if all you were here when this was voted in, Jay had said

1206
00:55:06,685 --> 00:55:10,215
that, you know, the new dump trucks are

1207
00:55:10,325 --> 00:55:11,815
very low noise.

1208
00:55:11,955 --> 00:55:15,055
And in fact it was a pretty good discussion about the

1209
00:55:16,285 --> 00:55:18,855
bobcats and the noise and the noise at that time.

1210
00:55:18,955 --> 00:55:21,975
And I, I'd like to hear how,

1211
00:55:21,975 --> 00:55:23,975
address it again, how that gets addressed.

1212
00:55:25,085 --> 00:55:29,015
Sure. I'm happy to, I think speaking to noise, the,

1213
00:55:29,515 --> 00:55:32,215
the trucks that deliver mulch to us, our live bottom trucks,

1214
00:55:32,315 --> 00:55:33,655
so the truck doesn't dump or anything.

1215
00:55:33,675 --> 00:55:36,055
It just, the, the bottom goes up and out

1216
00:55:36,055 --> 00:55:37,335
and it just pushes it out the back.

1217
00:55:38,005 --> 00:55:40,535
Some of the trucks that do deliver to us do have, what,

1218
00:55:40,535 --> 00:55:41,535
what I was speaking about

1219
00:55:41,535 --> 00:55:43,975
before, the gates that hydraulic up and down.

1220
00:55:44,745 --> 00:55:47,255
There are, there are times that a dump truck comes in

1221
00:55:47,255 --> 00:55:48,495
and dumps and it,

1222
00:55:48,635 --> 00:55:51,495
but we've monitored to the, any

1223
00:55:52,075 --> 00:55:54,815
of those trucks coming in during our business hours.

1224
00:55:56,065 --> 00:55:58,455
We're open, you know, eight to four.

1225
00:55:59,225 --> 00:56:00,415
We're not open past four.

1226
00:56:00,795 --> 00:56:02,855
We don't receive deliveries of that, that type

1227
00:56:02,855 --> 00:56:04,215
of material past three 30.

1228
00:56:05,555 --> 00:56:07,175
Our employees show up around seven 30,

1229
00:56:07,275 --> 00:56:08,695
but they're, you know, they're,

1230
00:56:08,925 --> 00:56:10,855
they don't dump the material in the bins.

1231
00:56:10,915 --> 00:56:12,455
If anything, they're unloading it out.

1232
00:56:13,435 --> 00:56:17,615
As far as I, I would definitely agree that

1233
00:56:18,795 --> 00:56:20,255
having been there for a year

1234
00:56:20,635 --> 00:56:24,965
and my neighbor to the right Kate Lamb made the mention

1235
00:56:26,145 --> 00:56:27,685
to myself when I spoke with her,

1236
00:56:28,405 --> 00:56:29,765
asking her if she had any issues.

1237
00:56:29,965 --> 00:56:31,405
'cause she's the one that's directly next to

1238
00:56:31,405 --> 00:56:33,285
where we're expanding.

1239
00:56:34,145 --> 00:56:35,845
She, her, her couple comments was

1240
00:56:35,845 --> 00:56:37,325
that she felt a lot safer with us there.

1241
00:56:37,345 --> 00:56:38,685
But the main concern was, is

1242
00:56:38,685 --> 00:56:41,925
that she doesn't have any issues with increased noise.

1243
00:56:41,985 --> 00:56:44,285
She even mentioned it in her, her note to you

1244
00:56:44,305 --> 00:56:46,685
or the note to, to myself that I passed along.

1245
00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:49,405
And I've also learned in the last year

1246
00:56:49,405 --> 00:56:51,885
that Hampstead Road is a busy, loud road.

1247
00:56:52,035 --> 00:56:53,245
It's a very busy, loud road.

1248
00:56:54,185 --> 00:56:58,365
The same trucks that deliver might deliver to us or up

1249
00:56:58,365 --> 00:56:59,685
and down that road constantly.

1250
00:57:00,355 --> 00:57:03,245
It's a very busy road. So I I it is noisy.

1251
00:57:03,445 --> 00:57:07,205
I agree with that. Our machinery,

1252
00:57:08,685 --> 00:57:12,485
although might not be, you know, agreed upon by a neighbor

1253
00:57:12,485 --> 00:57:15,285
or someone else, all the equipment today has

1254
00:57:15,285 --> 00:57:17,005
to fall under the regulations

1255
00:57:17,025 --> 00:57:18,805
of this regulation for everything.

1256
00:57:18,865 --> 00:57:20,045
Now it has

1257
00:57:20,045 --> 00:57:22,165
to fall into a decibel regulation before it's sold.

1258
00:57:22,705 --> 00:57:24,885
So all of our equipment falls under,

1259
00:57:25,005 --> 00:57:28,805
I think it's a 90 decibel regulation, which is basically

1260
00:57:28,835 --> 00:57:29,845
what a lawnmower is.

1261
00:57:29,925 --> 00:57:31,205
I guess that's what was,

1262
00:57:31,505 --> 00:57:33,285
how it was described when I did the research on this.

1263
00:57:33,665 --> 00:57:35,845
You know, a riding lawnmower, something like that.

1264
00:57:36,865 --> 00:57:38,165
And knowing like our,

1265
00:57:38,465 --> 00:57:40,565
our little mini loaders, they're, they're pretty quiet.

1266
00:57:43,005 --> 00:57:44,885
I think that addresses that.

1267
00:57:46,485 --> 00:57:47,645
I don't know if there was another question,

1268
00:57:48,305 --> 00:57:50,365
But I don't think it really addressed the, the,

1269
00:57:50,365 --> 00:57:52,525
The, listen, we live in a, we, we bought our house

1270
00:57:52,525 --> 00:57:53,565
because of where it is.

1271
00:57:54,585 --> 00:57:57,685
And now we have a business there. It's loud.

1272
00:57:58,635 --> 00:58:00,165
I've gotten up at five in the morning

1273
00:58:00,185 --> 00:58:01,885
and there's tractor trailer sitting in there

1274
00:58:01,885 --> 00:58:03,045
waiting to be unloaded.

1275
00:58:04,065 --> 00:58:05,725
The other day they were mowing their lawn at

1276
00:58:05,725 --> 00:58:06,965
6:00 AM on a weekend.

1277
00:58:08,035 --> 00:58:09,245
Like it's noisy.

1278
00:58:10,915 --> 00:58:13,925
Whether the street's noisy or not, I can't change that,

1279
00:58:14,025 --> 00:58:16,925
but it's added noise.

1280
00:58:16,925 --> 00:58:19,485
And now he wants to expand. It's more noise.

1281
00:58:20,715 --> 00:58:23,485
Whether the dump truck banging, it's, it's

1282
00:58:24,385 --> 00:58:25,925
at least two or three times a week.

1283
00:58:27,975 --> 00:58:30,635
And you have a grandchild sleeping in the middle of the day

1284
00:58:31,935 --> 00:58:35,075
and it scares the crap outta that baby and wakes it up.

1285
00:58:36,655 --> 00:58:39,435
It matters to me. And, you know, I pay taxes.

1286
00:58:39,835 --> 00:58:41,515
I, I bought my house where I bought it

1287
00:58:41,515 --> 00:58:45,155
because of where it was, and now I have this business

1288
00:58:45,155 --> 00:58:46,515
and now he wants to expand it,

1289
00:58:46,515 --> 00:58:48,195
which means more trucks, more noise.

1290
00:58:48,625 --> 00:58:50,755
Dumping of the stone is loud.

1291
00:58:51,465 --> 00:58:54,275
Like, come stand, come down here and listen to it.

1292
00:58:54,275 --> 00:58:57,155
You guys, you know, we should be listened to

1293
00:58:57,175 --> 00:58:59,355
and thought of a little bit in this situation.

1294
00:59:01,625 --> 00:59:05,595
It's frustrating. You have anything else? Yeah,

1295
00:59:05,595 --> 00:59:06,595
The, the expansion.

1296
00:59:06,795 --> 00:59:08,275
I know that it was mentioned. More noise.

1297
00:59:08,295 --> 00:59:11,235
The expansion doesn't, I'm not putting anything

1298
00:59:11,235 --> 00:59:13,355
that's gonna acquire, have more deliveries.

1299
00:59:13,455 --> 00:59:16,235
Any dumping, any more stone? Any more dumping?

1300
00:59:17,035 --> 00:59:18,955
Well, 200 trees. And if you're,

1301
00:59:19,175 --> 00:59:21,645
Can I list, can I Now 25 trees a week and 200.

1302
00:59:21,955 --> 00:59:24,205
It's more deliveries. It's more bobcat.

1303
00:59:24,745 --> 00:59:27,885
You know, we, we can go back and forth all day long, but

1304
00:59:28,035 --> 00:59:29,285
He's been putting in a greenhouse.

1305
00:59:29,285 --> 00:59:32,525
That's more stuff coming in. More trucks coming in.

1306
00:59:33,595 --> 00:59:36,855
And I do wanna go back to the water, just to be clear. Can

1307
00:59:36,855 --> 00:59:38,495
I finish my Answer? I'm on my, I'm on a

1308
00:59:38,735 --> 00:59:39,735
Personal question.

1309
00:59:40,015 --> 00:59:42,375
Hmm. So I just want to answer the question. Please.

1310
00:59:42,375 --> 00:59:44,975
I think that's the process. So no, nothing

1311
00:59:44,975 --> 00:59:47,615
that I'm expanding there is, is anything

1312
00:59:47,615 --> 00:59:51,135
that's being dumping, we're basically, you know,

1313
00:59:51,405 --> 00:59:52,615
expanding the footprint

1314
00:59:52,885 --> 00:59:56,455
with more material to some extent.

1315
00:59:56,835 --> 00:59:58,575
But a lot of the, what we're doing is

1316
00:59:58,575 --> 00:59:59,815
spreading out what we already have.

1317
01:00:00,315 --> 01:00:02,895
So it, it isn't gonna increase double,

1318
01:00:03,335 --> 01:00:04,815
it's not even remotely close to that.

1319
01:00:04,975 --> 01:00:07,495
I, it, it doesn't, if you did the math on it,

1320
01:00:07,565 --> 01:00:08,815
it's not even close anyway.

1321
01:00:08,955 --> 01:00:11,175
So we're not expanding like that.

1322
01:00:11,225 --> 01:00:12,975
We're just trying to use other space

1323
01:00:13,675 --> 01:00:15,615
to store the same products

1324
01:00:15,615 --> 01:00:16,895
that have already been approved here.

1325
01:00:16,895 --> 01:00:19,815
That I have the, that this property allows.

1326
01:00:20,755 --> 01:00:23,055
And, you know, doesn't have creek Ms.

1327
01:00:23,055 --> 01:00:24,175
Davison mentioned that, you know,

1328
01:00:24,175 --> 01:00:25,895
the trucks bang two or three times a week.

1329
01:00:26,355 --> 01:00:27,535
Yes. That, that's probably true.

1330
01:00:27,745 --> 01:00:28,775
There probably is two

1331
01:00:28,775 --> 01:00:29,855
or three dump trucks

1332
01:00:29,855 --> 01:00:32,415
that bang a week on a very busy road

1333
01:00:32,435 --> 01:00:34,215
during the day. Do you know, it's

1334
01:00:34,215 --> 01:00:38,095
A busy, We live there, right?

1335
01:00:38,115 --> 01:00:42,575
So we live there. I guess if you're really not

1336
01:00:42,575 --> 01:00:44,335
expanding, are you saying the trees

1337
01:00:44,335 --> 01:00:46,215
that are there now are in the parking lot?

1338
01:00:47,465 --> 01:00:49,335
Where are they if they're not, if you're not expanding

1339
01:00:49,335 --> 01:00:53,575
that much, 200, you said 200, 250 trees, where are they now?

1340
01:00:53,885 --> 01:00:56,095
There's no greenhouse, so that's gonna be filled. Right.

1341
01:00:56,565 --> 01:00:59,615
Just curious. It, it's not What is posted

1342
01:00:59,675 --> 01:01:01,655
as a greenhouse is greenhouse material.

1343
01:01:01,765 --> 01:01:04,775
It's not, it's not set up to be. We, we are not a grower.

1344
01:01:04,775 --> 01:01:06,815
We don't have any indoor greenhouse space.

1345
01:01:07,795 --> 01:01:10,815
I'm happy to put some sort of note on the, the, the plan

1346
01:01:10,815 --> 01:01:12,295
that, that won't house any plants.

1347
01:01:13,455 --> 01:01:17,575
'cause it will not. And as far as what I just mentioned

1348
01:01:17,575 --> 01:01:21,015
before, we're not only, we'll increase some product,

1349
01:01:21,195 --> 01:01:24,655
but it will spread out the product we have currently now.

1350
01:01:25,315 --> 01:01:28,735
So it's, I'll go back to the same comment again.

1351
01:01:28,735 --> 01:01:31,055
We're not doubling the size of what we're using.

1352
01:01:31,205 --> 01:01:32,615
Nothing even remotely close.

1353
01:01:33,065 --> 01:01:35,215
We're taking product that's maybe too close

1354
01:01:35,215 --> 01:01:37,215
to each other now and we're spreading it out.

1355
01:01:37,285 --> 01:01:39,375
Plus adding some, I'm not gonna say

1356
01:01:39,375 --> 01:01:40,575
otherwise, we will add some.

1357
01:01:41,995 --> 01:01:45,215
So just curiosity today, is that section

1358
01:01:45,215 --> 01:01:49,895
that you're wanting to use being used, holding these plants

1359
01:01:49,955 --> 01:01:51,575
and these trees without

1360
01:01:51,575 --> 01:01:53,215
authorization? No. Upland board. Board

1361
01:01:53,375 --> 01:01:54,455
Approval. The up the upland?

1362
01:01:55,165 --> 01:01:57,975
Yeah. That, that area. That whole area, yeah. No. Okay.

1363
01:01:57,975 --> 01:01:59,895
So you're gonna put 250 trees in there

1364
01:01:59,915 --> 01:02:01,695
and you have them in your lock now?

1365
01:02:02,355 --> 01:02:03,495
Is that what you're saying? I,

1366
01:02:03,575 --> 01:02:05,055
I can't clarify any more than I already have.

1367
01:02:05,255 --> 01:02:07,375
I think I've answered answer that question a couple times.

1368
01:02:07,625 --> 01:02:11,055
There will be expansion, there will be more deliveries.

1369
01:02:11,055 --> 01:02:12,615
Product for for sale. Yep.

1370
01:02:13,915 --> 01:02:16,815
And some of it will be relocated from other spots,

1371
01:02:16,875 --> 01:02:18,975
but some of it will be additional.

1372
01:02:19,105 --> 01:02:22,525
So this is a request for an amendment to the site plan

1373
01:02:22,585 --> 01:02:25,685
to have, you know, some level of expansion of use.

1374
01:02:25,705 --> 01:02:28,445
We can discuss tonight how much that is,

1375
01:02:28,445 --> 01:02:30,845
but it is gonna be some level of expansion. Okay.

1376
01:02:30,945 --> 01:02:33,765
Our deliveries are also based on how much we sell.

1377
01:02:34,265 --> 01:02:36,885
So, you know, that's a very much a variable.

1378
01:02:37,105 --> 01:02:41,005
If there's a year that I don't, my sales are down 20%,

1379
01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:42,845
I get 20% less deliveries.

1380
01:02:43,305 --> 01:02:46,325
If my sales are up 20%, I get 20% more deliveries.

1381
01:02:46,345 --> 01:02:49,125
So the additional space doesn't really pertain

1382
01:02:49,185 --> 01:02:53,645
to the additional, you know, approved ability

1383
01:02:53,905 --> 01:02:57,285
to receive these materials in the zone anyway.

1384
01:02:59,145 --> 01:03:00,885
All right. So I do want to address the water,

1385
01:03:01,185 --> 01:03:02,925
the runoff water into my property.

1386
01:03:02,925 --> 01:03:05,285
Right? So that is gonna run off into my

1387
01:03:05,525 --> 01:03:06,765
property a hundred percent.

1388
01:03:07,345 --> 01:03:08,525
My well is in my backyard.

1389
01:03:09,385 --> 01:03:11,285
So anything that, you know,

1390
01:03:11,295 --> 01:03:14,365
soaks into the ground eventually could possibly get into my,

1391
01:03:14,365 --> 01:03:19,005
well, secondly, as Jim mentioned, if,

1392
01:03:19,665 --> 01:03:21,245
if his water runs out

1393
01:03:21,265 --> 01:03:22,885
and they're using the Manchester water,

1394
01:03:24,035 --> 01:03:26,135
but the water, the water, the,

1395
01:03:26,165 --> 01:03:28,255
they've taken all the water out of the Pena truck

1396
01:03:28,255 --> 01:03:30,935
because that well is, is is blown out.

1397
01:03:31,195 --> 01:03:33,535
All gone. I don't have water.

1398
01:03:33,635 --> 01:03:34,495
Jim doesn't have water,

1399
01:03:34,655 --> 01:03:35,895
hundreds of neighbors don't have

1400
01:03:35,895 --> 01:03:37,215
water. How do we deal with that?

1401
01:03:37,515 --> 01:03:39,975
So I, I don't know if that's exactly how it works.

1402
01:03:41,595 --> 01:03:44,775
Penant Chuck manages how the water is, is

1403
01:03:45,365 --> 01:03:46,775
managed in the Penant chuck system.

1404
01:03:46,855 --> 01:03:48,095
I just know it's a combined system

1405
01:03:48,475 --> 01:03:51,775
and they rely on Manchester Water Works as supply.

1406
01:03:52,885 --> 01:03:55,735
It's designed so that there shouldn't be a problem

1407
01:03:55,735 --> 01:03:57,975
with capacity that the well shouldn't run dry.

1408
01:03:58,915 --> 01:04:01,655
I'm not, we don't manage it as a town.

1409
01:04:01,655 --> 01:04:02,775
It's managed by pen chuck.

1410
01:04:02,775 --> 01:04:03,775
So I'm not familiar with the

1411
01:04:03,775 --> 01:04:04,855
intricacies of how that happens.

1412
01:04:07,335 --> 01:04:09,095
I just don't think it would be a supply issue.

1413
01:04:09,195 --> 01:04:10,375
Should we know, should we know?

1414
01:04:10,535 --> 01:04:12,775
Is it, do they get down to 10% within the well there

1415
01:04:12,775 --> 01:04:15,815
and then they start using Manchester before we approve

1416
01:04:15,835 --> 01:04:18,615
and let somebody use more water and,

1417
01:04:18,715 --> 01:04:21,575
and take from our, you know, our resource.

1418
01:04:22,675 --> 01:04:26,575
So I I I'm gonna try to clarify aquifers.

1419
01:04:27,905 --> 01:04:29,495
We've had this discussion

1420
01:04:29,495 --> 01:04:33,255
before in other developments in, in previous years.

1421
01:04:34,035 --> 01:04:36,175
And aquifer is, is a public resource.

1422
01:04:38,075 --> 01:04:39,655
The planning board typically cannot

1423
01:04:42,285 --> 01:04:44,895
deny an approval for any kind of development

1424
01:04:44,895 --> 01:04:48,335
because of speculative concerns about future

1425
01:04:49,575 --> 01:04:50,975
drawdown of the aquifer.

1426
01:04:51,715 --> 01:04:55,455
Now we all know what's happening out west and,

1427
01:04:55,595 --> 01:04:57,815
and certainly, you know, water conservation

1428
01:04:57,815 --> 01:05:00,935
and water management is of current concern,

1429
01:05:01,355 --> 01:05:03,215
but at least within the state of New Hampshire,

1430
01:05:03,835 --> 01:05:08,335
the regulation of of aquifers is for very large withdrawals.

1431
01:05:08,655 --> 01:05:11,375
I think it's the N-H-D-E-S that issues

1432
01:05:12,265 --> 01:05:14,215
water withdrawal permits over a certain amount

1433
01:05:14,235 --> 01:05:15,575
and they then they regulate it.

1434
01:05:15,705 --> 01:05:20,325
56. Correct? What's that? 56,000. 56,000 gallons per what?

1435
01:05:21,265 --> 01:05:23,725
Per Day. Per day. Which is a lot.

1436
01:05:25,675 --> 01:05:29,125
Will those standards evolve as we continue to deal

1437
01:05:29,125 --> 01:05:31,845
with water supply issues?

1438
01:05:32,855 --> 01:05:35,085
Maybe we're probably not as bad

1439
01:05:35,085 --> 01:05:38,645
as the folks out in Colorado, but it, it is a valid concern.

1440
01:05:39,065 --> 01:05:42,285
The question is, does the planning board have jurisdiction

1441
01:05:42,465 --> 01:05:44,685
to make those kinds of

1442
01:05:45,245 --> 01:05:47,285
restrictions on development based on a,

1443
01:05:47,285 --> 01:05:48,725
on a shared resource?

1444
01:05:50,345 --> 01:05:51,965
Can I, can I add some something to that,

1445
01:05:52,705 --> 01:05:53,845
to that water issue?

1446
01:05:54,645 --> 01:05:56,325
I just recently, in the last couple of weeks

1447
01:05:57,085 --> 01:05:59,485
attended a webinar and it was put on

1448
01:05:59,485 --> 01:06:00,965
by the Corps of Engineers.

1449
01:06:00,985 --> 01:06:03,365
And it's much to, I want to address the comment

1450
01:06:03,395 --> 01:06:04,605
that you had made on it.

1451
01:06:05,065 --> 01:06:07,325
And yes, the water level table has gone down.

1452
01:06:07,395 --> 01:06:10,845
It's estimated that the drought situation that we've been in

1453
01:06:10,845 --> 01:06:12,045
for the last three to four years

1454
01:06:12,865 --> 01:06:15,045
had brought the water table down two

1455
01:06:15,045 --> 01:06:16,245
feet more than what it is.

1456
01:06:16,385 --> 01:06:20,125
So if somebody has a shallow well of a 10 to eight,

1457
01:06:20,135 --> 01:06:22,685
eight feet, they can maybe have some draw.

1458
01:06:23,025 --> 01:06:26,525
But just like the engineer had said as the backup for

1459
01:06:27,145 --> 01:06:31,125
pen truck is from Manchester, which fills up the system.

1460
01:06:31,225 --> 01:06:34,365
So it's maintained somewhere around 85 to 86

1461
01:06:35,705 --> 01:06:37,205
pounds pressure on there.

1462
01:06:37,345 --> 01:06:40,005
So it shouldn't affect any water whatsoever.

1463
01:06:41,045 --> 01:06:42,485
I also want to make a comment

1464
01:06:43,925 --> 01:06:45,765
'cause I've been spending some time going over there

1465
01:06:45,905 --> 01:06:50,285
as farmer chairman of the Environment Agricultural Committee

1466
01:06:50,385 --> 01:06:54,325
and also on the board for pest control ide.

1467
01:06:56,005 --> 01:06:58,845
I can say that he's correct in what he's doing

1468
01:06:58,865 --> 01:07:02,445
and separating some of the avar that are out there

1469
01:07:02,475 --> 01:07:05,925
that was there this afternoon, spending time looking at it.

1470
01:07:05,945 --> 01:07:08,365
And one very impressed about the organization

1471
01:07:08,505 --> 01:07:11,405
as it was compared that when he first did it,

1472
01:07:11,715 --> 01:07:12,805
when he first got there.

1473
01:07:13,425 --> 01:07:15,205
So a lot has come through there.

1474
01:07:15,535 --> 01:07:18,685
There was no trucks there at two o'clock in the afternoon

1475
01:07:18,685 --> 01:07:19,885
when I was there at that time.

1476
01:07:20,585 --> 01:07:23,005
So it's, I'm not sure about the noise level.

1477
01:07:23,195 --> 01:07:25,245
I'll let him address that one later, later on.

1478
01:07:26,225 --> 01:07:29,885
But again, I was very impressed on their organization there

1479
01:07:30,345 --> 01:07:32,165
and how clean it is.

1480
01:07:32,265 --> 01:07:35,325
And yes, there will be some drain off,

1481
01:07:35,325 --> 01:07:37,485
but the new fertilizers that are out there now,

1482
01:07:37,585 --> 01:07:40,165
the nitrogen is bound on on there

1483
01:07:40,305 --> 01:07:41,765
and they slowly release based on

1484
01:07:41,765 --> 01:07:43,405
temperature like he indicated.

1485
01:07:43,985 --> 01:07:46,565
And along with water, it usually takes about 30 days

1486
01:07:47,145 --> 01:07:49,005
of some amount rain getting in there

1487
01:07:49,025 --> 01:07:52,685
and dissolving that, what they call mea that's around the,

1488
01:07:52,825 --> 01:07:55,765
the particular fertilizer. Okay. So it was done.

1489
01:07:56,235 --> 01:07:58,525
Okay, thank you. And hopefully that helped

1490
01:07:58,525 --> 01:07:59,525
You.

1491
01:07:59,525 --> 01:08:02,885
What is our recourse with trucks going in at four

1492
01:08:02,885 --> 01:08:04,085
or five o'clock in the morning?

1493
01:08:05,595 --> 01:08:07,965
Well they're Did you, they're doing stuff before 8:00 AM

1494
01:08:07,965 --> 01:08:10,405
Five hours of operation in, in your first approval?

1495
01:08:12,485 --> 01:08:13,645
I believe so,

1496
01:08:13,865 --> 01:08:15,925
but I'd have to re re go back to that. I guess

1497
01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:17,125
The question would, would those hours

1498
01:08:17,225 --> 01:08:20,525
of operation cover trucks arriving early and waiting?

1499
01:08:20,845 --> 01:08:24,045
YII don't know that I'd have to look back

1500
01:08:24,105 --> 01:08:25,285
and and find that out.

1501
01:08:25,505 --> 01:08:29,365
No, you know, I can certainly, you know, we, we tell all

1502
01:08:29,365 --> 01:08:31,125
of our, any of the trucking companies to come to us,

1503
01:08:31,225 --> 01:08:33,845
you know, that I believe we speaking of is the,

1504
01:08:34,185 --> 01:08:35,685
the tractor trailer truck that comes

1505
01:08:35,705 --> 01:08:37,165
and delivers our, our trees to us.

1506
01:08:37,665 --> 01:08:40,325
You know, we notify all of these trucking companies that,

1507
01:08:40,345 --> 01:08:41,845
you know, our hours of operation,

1508
01:08:43,315 --> 01:08:45,645
I've pulled in at six 30 in the morning myself

1509
01:08:45,705 --> 01:08:48,205
and there's two UPS trucks backed up to each other.

1510
01:08:48,205 --> 01:08:50,125
Like I, it's it, that's a hard control for me

1511
01:08:51,055 --> 01:08:54,205
other than notifying these companies that they can't arrive.

1512
01:08:55,065 --> 01:08:56,365
And I'll continue to do that.

1513
01:08:56,645 --> 01:08:59,845
I, you know, I, we show up early

1514
01:09:00,425 --> 01:09:01,965
and you know, it's happened a handful

1515
01:09:02,025 --> 01:09:03,045
of times since we've been there

1516
01:09:03,045 --> 01:09:05,525
that a truck was waiting. That's, that's

1517
01:09:05,525 --> 01:09:07,605
Such a, and I believe you know, that your employees show

1518
01:09:07,605 --> 01:09:09,285
up and start loading their vehicles

1519
01:09:09,285 --> 01:09:12,285
because 99% of their

1520
01:09:13,155 --> 01:09:17,245
work they do is commercial properties.

1521
01:09:18,065 --> 01:09:19,965
You know, it's not like people in dairy

1522
01:09:19,985 --> 01:09:21,125
are going there and buying stuff.

1523
01:09:22,355 --> 01:09:23,605
It's all commercial. So

1524
01:09:24,555 --> 01:09:25,965
they're loading up their trucks early.

1525
01:09:28,685 --> 01:09:30,745
You know, it's supposed to be eight to four.

1526
01:09:32,645 --> 01:09:37,025
So one, one of the, the issues about the use is yes,

1527
01:09:37,245 --> 01:09:38,625
it is a retail

1528
01:09:38,725 --> 01:09:42,825
and a wholesale provider wholesale of, you know, plants and,

1529
01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:46,945
and earth and other kinds of agricultural materials.

1530
01:09:47,405 --> 01:09:51,425
But the state has defined that business as agriculture.

1531
01:09:52,045 --> 01:09:55,185
And they have said that agriculture is allowed in pretty

1532
01:09:55,185 --> 01:09:56,385
much any district.

1533
01:09:56,785 --> 01:10:00,785
So what I'm weighing against all

1534
01:10:00,785 --> 01:10:03,385
of the testimony about the nuisances is

1535
01:10:03,385 --> 01:10:07,345
what the state has said about what they allow.

1536
01:10:07,405 --> 01:10:11,185
And, and New Hampshire is, is not a state

1537
01:10:11,215 --> 01:10:14,385
that allows municipalities to color outside the lines.

1538
01:10:14,565 --> 01:10:17,265
The state sets the rules and we kind of have to follow them.

1539
01:10:17,645 --> 01:10:19,345
And so that's where I'm, I'm

1540
01:10:20,545 --> 01:10:22,905
questioning is if these folks are indeed

1541
01:10:23,655 --> 01:10:26,505
meeting the state definition of an allowed use,

1542
01:10:27,095 --> 01:10:28,665
what leeway do we have to try to,

1543
01:10:30,005 --> 01:10:31,505
you know, mitigate reasonable impacts?

1544
01:10:31,505 --> 01:10:33,905
So that that's, that's the question I think before

1545
01:10:33,905 --> 01:10:34,905
Us.

1546
01:10:34,905 --> 01:10:36,065
But in his plan, it's supposed to be eight to four,

1547
01:10:36,885 --> 01:10:39,585
I'm sorry, I'm looking right now at the plan says Dell

1548
01:10:39,585 --> 01:10:42,505
hunting nursery Monday through Friday, seven 30 to four

1549
01:10:43,265 --> 01:10:45,625
Saturday, Sunday, 9:00 AM to four. Does that sound right?

1550
01:10:45,765 --> 01:10:48,345
That's correct. And Northeast Elite

1551
01:10:49,185 --> 01:10:51,025
Athletics is 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM

1552
01:10:52,045 --> 01:10:54,345
and then it actually further break down the hours week

1553
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:58,385
weekdays 9:00 AM to 3:00 PM one person office staff, 3:00 PM

1554
01:10:58,485 --> 01:11:00,905
to 9:00 PM athletes

1555
01:11:00,925 --> 01:11:03,265
and teams utilizing the facility, folks will come

1556
01:11:03,265 --> 01:11:04,985
and go during this time, maximum number

1557
01:11:04,985 --> 01:11:07,185
of individuals utilizing the facility at one time

1558
01:11:07,185 --> 01:11:10,625
during these hours will be 80 to a hundred, including staff.

1559
01:11:10,725 --> 01:11:15,125
And then weekends you get 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM same number

1560
01:11:15,125 --> 01:11:18,165
of players and staff as weekday.

1561
01:11:18,985 --> 01:11:21,645
So basically the residents around it don't matter.

1562
01:11:23,185 --> 01:11:26,045
Our, our opinions and our nuisances don't matter.

1563
01:11:26,305 --> 01:11:27,805
No, it do Basically That's

1564
01:11:27,805 --> 01:11:28,925
what you're all saying kind. Well,

1565
01:11:29,105 --> 01:11:32,005
No, I mean that may be what you take away,

1566
01:11:32,145 --> 01:11:34,365
but we're a quasi judicial board.

1567
01:11:34,385 --> 01:11:36,005
We try to mitigate impacts.

1568
01:11:36,625 --> 01:11:41,525
We can't break the law even though we may feel, oh,

1569
01:11:41,905 --> 01:11:45,565
you know, substantial moral justice is done if we ignore the

1570
01:11:45,565 --> 01:11:46,965
state law, but, but we can't.

1571
01:11:47,105 --> 01:11:48,685
We, we get the town in trouble if we do.

1572
01:11:48,705 --> 01:11:50,205
So we just have to find that balance.

1573
01:11:51,155 --> 01:11:54,445
Okay. I got a just a clarification point.

1574
01:11:54,845 --> 01:11:57,445
I don't know if Randy's come across as sitting as

1575
01:11:58,525 --> 01:12:01,525
District four counselor, but I can recall a time when,

1576
01:12:02,505 --> 01:12:05,725
and I don't know the location that Chu would have wells

1577
01:12:05,725 --> 01:12:07,125
that actually ran low.

1578
01:12:08,065 --> 01:12:11,485
And what they would do is they'd actually, they'd fill 'em.

1579
01:12:11,905 --> 01:12:15,365
Yes. When it ran low, they actually fill them back up.

1580
01:12:15,945 --> 01:12:18,485
So it's not a question of it's gonna dry, you know,

1581
01:12:18,535 --> 01:12:21,045
drain all the way down and then you've got major issues.

1582
01:12:21,195 --> 01:12:23,285
They, they monitor those wells

1583
01:12:24,225 --> 01:12:25,525
and then what they'll do is they'll,

1584
01:12:25,875 --> 01:12:27,485
they'll bring water to them.

1585
01:12:27,875 --> 01:12:29,325
It's happened a few times that I

1586
01:12:29,325 --> 01:12:30,645
recall. Yes. I don't know where though.

1587
01:12:31,065 --> 01:12:32,565
And that was part of the impotence for

1588
01:12:33,275 --> 01:12:35,045
expanding the Manchester Waterworks

1589
01:12:35,265 --> 01:12:39,125
to connect the eastern portion of the CHU system.

1590
01:12:40,245 --> 01:12:41,285
I have a hard time believing

1591
01:12:41,285 --> 01:12:43,445
that wishing well directly across the street from this

1592
01:12:43,445 --> 01:12:48,065
wasn't tied into that same system that is now being

1593
01:12:48,585 --> 01:12:52,185
supplemented by the Manchester Waterworks

1594
01:12:52,185 --> 01:12:54,425
or Dairy Waterworks, whatever you wanna call it.

1595
01:12:56,585 --> 01:12:58,165
May I have a second chance on a couple of things?

1596
01:12:58,185 --> 01:12:59,765
That's not true. Wishing well.

1597
01:12:59,765 --> 01:13:01,725
Lane 1 78 Hamstead Road is not tied

1598
01:13:01,755 --> 01:13:02,965
into pent check waterworks.

1599
01:13:03,265 --> 01:13:05,245
That's the first thing. The second thing is,

1600
01:13:05,825 --> 01:13:07,565
in your deliberations, I would ask you

1601
01:13:07,565 --> 01:13:10,925
to address my first point, which is treating a commercial

1602
01:13:11,745 --> 01:13:13,405
lot as a residential area.

1603
01:13:13,945 --> 01:13:17,685
And despite whatever the state law says, it doesn't mean

1604
01:13:17,685 --> 01:13:18,805
that they have unlimited rights

1605
01:13:18,805 --> 01:13:20,645
to do whatever they want to do on the property.

1606
01:13:21,255 --> 01:13:22,325
Thank you for the sentence. Well,

1607
01:13:22,325 --> 01:13:23,325
Yeah, that's true.

1608
01:13:23,325 --> 01:13:25,805
No one has unlimited rights to do almost anything.

1609
01:13:26,485 --> 01:13:27,485
I I understand that,

1610
01:13:27,505 --> 01:13:28,685
but that kind of what you're saying,

1611
01:13:28,685 --> 01:13:30,085
that we can't overcome state law.

1612
01:13:30,245 --> 01:13:31,925
I understand this is an agricultural purposes,

1613
01:13:31,925 --> 01:13:33,445
which is why it's before the planning board.

1614
01:13:33,785 --> 01:13:36,405
It doesn't mean that the agricultural purpose is allowed

1615
01:13:36,405 --> 01:13:39,045
by state law, means that they can do unlimited agricultural

1616
01:13:39,045 --> 01:13:40,765
purposes within that property.

1617
01:13:40,995 --> 01:13:42,925
Well, that's why I say we have to look at the law.

1618
01:13:42,925 --> 01:13:44,765
We have to look at the impacts. We have to find a balance.

1619
01:13:46,425 --> 01:13:48,805
So just answering a question from a few moments ago,

1620
01:13:48,885 --> 01:13:49,885
I know that was brought up and you

1621
01:13:49,885 --> 01:13:50,965
thank you for bringing up that.

1622
01:13:51,205 --> 01:13:52,445
'cause I hadn't gone back and looked at that.

1623
01:13:53,505 --> 01:13:55,325
Our hours of operation are, are everywhere.

1624
01:13:55,325 --> 01:13:56,765
They're on our website, they're on our door.

1625
01:13:56,975 --> 01:13:58,085
We're open eight to four,

1626
01:13:58,385 --> 01:13:59,925
theand nurseries open, eight to four.

1627
01:13:59,945 --> 01:14:02,085
My employees show up between seven 30 and eight.

1628
01:14:02,835 --> 01:14:03,845
Just Just so you know.

1629
01:14:04,265 --> 01:14:07,245
So, you know, I, I can empathize

1630
01:14:07,245 --> 01:14:08,405
with the neighbors with noise.

1631
01:14:08,565 --> 01:14:09,925
I don't know if there's anything you can do,

1632
01:14:11,185 --> 01:14:13,725
but it seems to me as if to to be good neighbors,

1633
01:14:13,725 --> 01:14:15,485
if there's anything you can do to help out

1634
01:14:15,485 --> 01:14:18,645
that situation, well, all the better. You know, I guess

1635
01:14:18,665 --> 01:14:20,485
I'd leave you with this unless there's more conversation

1636
01:14:20,485 --> 01:14:24,525
to be had, putting 130 plus avices around the, the,

1637
01:14:24,525 --> 01:14:25,805
the neighbor around the border

1638
01:14:26,485 --> 01:14:30,365
up in the front leaving the vegetation all along the front

1639
01:14:30,705 --> 01:14:32,685
of, of Hampstead Road there.

1640
01:14:32,685 --> 01:14:34,405
Yeah. Which I can cut if I chose,

1641
01:14:34,525 --> 01:14:35,725
I left it all there as a buffer.

1642
01:14:36,245 --> 01:14:37,605
I put the ARB there.

1643
01:14:38,205 --> 01:14:39,685
I have the, the storage bins

1644
01:14:39,685 --> 01:14:42,405
where we keep our material facing this direction three

1645
01:14:42,405 --> 01:14:44,445
blocks high, which come out to somewhere in the neighborhood

1646
01:14:44,445 --> 01:14:45,925
of seven or eight feet tall.

1647
01:14:47,275 --> 01:14:48,885
That is the effort I've made to buffer

1648
01:14:48,905 --> 01:14:50,125
as much as I possibly can.

1649
01:14:50,985 --> 01:14:52,125
My hours of operation,

1650
01:14:53,845 --> 01:14:56,165
I think fall into normal business hours

1651
01:14:56,225 --> 01:14:59,085
and normal living hours, I guess would say most people,

1652
01:14:59,245 --> 01:15:00,645
I mean, you go down Hamstead Road

1653
01:15:00,645 --> 01:15:02,045
between six 30 and seven 30 in the morning.

1654
01:15:02,045 --> 01:15:04,085
It's, it's a highway and school.

1655
01:15:04,085 --> 01:15:05,165
So I mean it's, it's a busy road.

1656
01:15:05,165 --> 01:15:08,405
Anyway, we're, we're probably, we're no real impact on

1657
01:15:09,315 --> 01:15:10,885
Yeah, I'm just, Just on that there,

1658
01:15:11,635 --> 01:15:13,125
that those are some things I've done.

1659
01:15:13,185 --> 01:15:15,565
The other thing I think I would just wanna leave you with,

1660
01:15:15,625 --> 01:15:19,285
if we're getting to the end here of this, you know,

1661
01:15:19,285 --> 01:15:22,805
some neighbors thoughts is I pointed out to you,

1662
01:15:22,825 --> 01:15:27,365
and I have two emails to you, when I went to the closest

1663
01:15:27,915 --> 01:15:31,685
largest abutting neighbors next to me,

1664
01:15:32,265 --> 01:15:36,725
the entire both sides, that would be show any major impact

1665
01:15:36,745 --> 01:15:40,125
of noise and or the expansion of what I'm looking to do.

1666
01:15:40,505 --> 01:15:42,645
And both gave you letters of support that they,

1667
01:15:42,835 --> 01:15:45,485
they a hundred support what I'm, I'm trying to do.

1668
01:15:46,205 --> 01:15:49,925
I mean, I mean that way that weighs in what I'm thinking,

1669
01:15:50,315 --> 01:15:52,285
that was a smart move on your behalf, right?

1670
01:15:52,285 --> 01:15:54,205
You've got the neighbors that are actually connected

1671
01:15:55,165 --> 01:15:56,365
saying that they've got no problem.

1672
01:15:56,505 --> 01:15:57,685
So I, I understand that,

1673
01:15:58,265 --> 01:15:59,525
but then you've got some neighbors

1674
01:15:59,525 --> 01:16:00,605
that have have some issues.

1675
01:16:00,665 --> 01:16:05,005
All I'm saying is, is whatever you can do, to me, it's,

1676
01:16:05,005 --> 01:16:07,525
it seems to me as if what's in front of us is the,

1677
01:16:07,585 --> 01:16:10,325
the tree location is really what we have to concentrate on.

1678
01:16:10,325 --> 01:16:13,445
Correct. We can't really re rehash all the other

1679
01:16:13,545 --> 01:16:14,565
old stuff Okay.

1680
01:16:14,565 --> 01:16:15,925
Which sounds like we're trying to do,

1681
01:16:15,985 --> 01:16:19,245
but it really, it's really the, the, the tree section

1682
01:16:19,265 --> 01:16:20,645
of it is really what we need

1683
01:16:20,725 --> 01:16:22,285
to concentrate on. Correct me if I'm wrong.

1684
01:16:22,745 --> 01:16:25,845
So Yeah, I mean, another procedural thing is we're,

1685
01:16:25,845 --> 01:16:29,445
we're here to, to talk about the expansion,

1686
01:16:29,625 --> 01:16:31,285
not the, not the whole thing.

1687
01:16:31,295 --> 01:16:33,645
We're not here to re-litigate a year old decision.

1688
01:16:34,425 --> 01:16:36,725
Now what I'm, what I think I'm hearing is that the,

1689
01:16:37,585 --> 01:16:40,165
the assurances and promises that were made a year ago,

1690
01:16:40,385 --> 01:16:42,205
the neighbors don't think we're necessarily kept.

1691
01:16:42,665 --> 01:16:44,685
So they're here airing that.

1692
01:16:46,145 --> 01:16:49,125
And I think what we're saying is if you can, you know,

1693
01:16:50,305 --> 01:16:54,285
do something to mitigate those reasonable concerns

1694
01:16:54,285 --> 01:16:58,605
and those genuine impacts without, you know, stifling your,

1695
01:16:58,605 --> 01:17:01,525
your business, I think it would be a, a good thing

1696
01:17:02,285 --> 01:17:06,445
because it, it, it is, Mr. Foley pointed out, no, no right

1697
01:17:06,445 --> 01:17:07,805
to use is, is unlimited.

1698
01:17:09,585 --> 01:17:11,405
But Mr. Churchill was also right.

1699
01:17:11,405 --> 01:17:14,965
We're not here to have a, an appeal

1700
01:17:15,225 --> 01:17:17,605
or a decision on the original approval.

1701
01:17:17,615 --> 01:17:22,205
We're here to deal with the, the expansion

1702
01:17:22,305 --> 01:17:25,725
and the reasonable impacts of that expansion

1703
01:17:25,745 --> 01:17:27,405
and how they can be mitigated.

1704
01:17:30,295 --> 01:17:32,965
Thank you. So what, what can you,

1705
01:17:33,045 --> 01:17:34,645
I mean, do you have a gate?

1706
01:17:35,865 --> 01:17:37,005
Do we have a gate, Print

1707
01:17:37,005 --> 01:17:38,005
Gate?

1708
01:17:38,005 --> 01:17:38,785
No.

1709
01:17:39,345 --> 01:17:40,565
So one of the things that went through my head,

1710
01:17:40,565 --> 01:17:42,245
if you've got trucking companies that want

1711
01:17:42,245 --> 01:17:43,365
to come at four o'clock in the morning

1712
01:17:43,385 --> 01:17:45,845
and when I idle their trucks in your lot until you arrive,

1713
01:17:45,965 --> 01:17:47,805
maybe you just put up a gate and lock it

1714
01:17:47,805 --> 01:17:49,125
or put a chain across and lock it.

1715
01:17:49,405 --> 01:17:50,765
I, I would certainly think of that.

1716
01:17:51,085 --> 01:17:53,285
I I would be amenable to thinking about that.

1717
01:17:53,305 --> 01:17:56,245
But I I, I'm not comfortable from a security standpoint,

1718
01:17:56,245 --> 01:17:57,405
putting a gate on a property

1719
01:17:57,405 --> 01:17:59,005
that's a 15,000 square foot building

1720
01:17:59,355 --> 01:18:01,765
with a full fire suppression system in it that, you know,

1721
01:18:01,805 --> 01:18:04,125
I have to do everything by fire

1722
01:18:04,185 --> 01:18:07,925
and police code to keep full access to this, this property

1723
01:18:07,925 --> 01:18:09,045
and then put a GI lock gate.

1724
01:18:09,165 --> 01:18:10,325
I, I don't know if that's

1725
01:18:10,325 --> 01:18:11,325
The answer.

1726
01:18:11,325 --> 01:18:12,805
You're not saying it's a condition, it's a condition.

1727
01:18:12,805 --> 01:18:14,405
You're just making a suggestion or you

1728
01:18:14,625 --> 01:18:16,045
I'm making a suggestion and, and,

1729
01:18:16,045 --> 01:18:17,805
and I think Mr. Chase could tell you there's all sorts

1730
01:18:17,805 --> 01:18:19,405
of fancy locks

1731
01:18:19,425 --> 01:18:22,245
and mechanisms that are, you know, firetruck friendly that,

1732
01:18:22,245 --> 01:18:24,565
that, you know, maybe the trucking company wouldn't feel

1733
01:18:24,565 --> 01:18:28,605
comfortable breaking because they're, they're your supplier

1734
01:18:28,625 --> 01:18:32,365
and if, if they are annoying all of your neighbors,

1735
01:18:33,055 --> 01:18:35,205
maybe you need to have a, a stern word with them.

1736
01:18:36,005 --> 01:18:38,725
I agree with that. I would have no issue, you know,

1737
01:18:40,385 --> 01:18:41,405
before you saying that.

1738
01:18:41,405 --> 01:18:43,445
I will certainly reach out to these vendors Yeah.

1739
01:18:43,615 --> 01:18:45,085
Again, in all times

1740
01:18:45,145 --> 01:18:46,525
and saying we have a strict delivery

1741
01:18:46,525 --> 01:18:47,685
time, which we, we have done.

1742
01:18:49,615 --> 01:18:51,245
Again, I will do it again to make sure

1743
01:18:51,245 --> 01:18:52,245
that they just can't do that.

1744
01:18:52,385 --> 01:18:54,405
And Then one last question if you don't mind, Mr.

1745
01:18:54,645 --> 01:18:56,725
Chairman. So when you deliver these trees, is it,

1746
01:18:56,725 --> 01:19:00,885
is it gonna be one delivery of these 200 cheese?

1747
01:19:00,945 --> 01:19:02,045
Are you gonna have Yes.

1748
01:19:02,845 --> 01:19:04,605
Multiple trucks delivering at all times?

1749
01:19:05,625 --> 01:19:09,565
No, no. We bring in, in an entire year,

1750
01:19:09,615 --> 01:19:11,525
we'll bring in somewhere in the neighborhood of probably,

1751
01:19:12,005 --> 01:19:13,885
I would say 50 deliveries of those trucks. Okay.

1752
01:19:13,985 --> 01:19:15,925
So you're gonna load 'em, but if there's an approval

1753
01:19:15,945 --> 01:19:17,045
of that, you'll load em up.

1754
01:19:17,065 --> 01:19:19,285
We reload them on our smaller vehicles and take them out

1755
01:19:19,305 --> 01:19:21,605
or customers come and pick them up.

1756
01:19:21,625 --> 01:19:23,805
And, and again, I I would go back to our business hours.

1757
01:19:24,045 --> 01:19:26,005
I know that it's been talked about.

1758
01:19:26,225 --> 01:19:28,325
It doesn't mean that it's actual and true.

1759
01:19:28,745 --> 01:19:31,765
We open at seven 30 for our employees to come in

1760
01:19:32,265 --> 01:19:34,485
and we, we open to the public at eight o'clock.

1761
01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:38,405
I can certainly ask our guy

1762
01:19:38,405 --> 01:19:40,005
that mows the lawn to not come earlier.

1763
01:19:40,865 --> 01:19:42,325
I'm happy to do that. We don't mow the lawn.

1764
01:19:42,385 --> 01:19:45,125
So it's not one of my guys, I can certainly mention to him

1765
01:19:45,125 --> 01:19:46,965
to mow the lawn if for some reason,

1766
01:19:47,085 --> 01:19:48,645
I mean he mows our lawns on Mondays

1767
01:19:49,015 --> 01:19:50,205
after he mows other places.

1768
01:19:50,305 --> 01:19:51,725
So this must have been a day that it rained

1769
01:19:51,725 --> 01:19:52,805
and he came the next day early.

1770
01:19:53,165 --> 01:19:54,365
I can certainly mention that.

1771
01:19:55,125 --> 01:19:59,605
I did have one, one issue about a month after I moved in.

1772
01:19:59,685 --> 01:20:01,485
I got a call from a neighbor in the back that called

1773
01:20:01,485 --> 01:20:02,685
and said, what were you guys doing in the middle

1774
01:20:02,685 --> 01:20:03,725
of the night at four in the morning?

1775
01:20:04,105 --> 01:20:06,245
You know, you guys are moving equipment and this and that.

1776
01:20:06,245 --> 01:20:07,765
And I said, I don't know what you, I,

1777
01:20:07,885 --> 01:20:09,085
I have no idea what you're talking about.

1778
01:20:09,585 --> 01:20:11,325
We went around and around for a minute

1779
01:20:11,425 --> 01:20:13,165
and to try to figure out what it was.

1780
01:20:13,285 --> 01:20:14,725
I said, I have cameras. I'll look at the cameras.

1781
01:20:15,185 --> 01:20:18,245
It was the trash company. They came, started early.

1782
01:20:18,445 --> 01:20:20,805
I called the trash company within two minutes

1783
01:20:20,825 --> 01:20:22,365
and said, listen, we're we're in

1784
01:20:22,365 --> 01:20:23,445
an area we can't be doing that.

1785
01:20:23,445 --> 01:20:25,005
He goes, oh, you know, sorry about that.

1786
01:20:25,595 --> 01:20:28,365
I'll move you to a nine to four dump time.

1787
01:20:28,905 --> 01:20:31,845
You know, K-Town delivery outta Salem. No problem.

1788
01:20:31,985 --> 01:20:33,885
He said, absolutely not. I called the neighbor back

1789
01:20:33,885 --> 01:20:35,165
and said, Hey, it was a trash.

1790
01:20:35,175 --> 01:20:37,125
Sorry about that. I had no idea. He said, thanks.

1791
01:20:37,965 --> 01:20:39,125
I, I, I'm, I'm trying

1792
01:20:39,825 --> 01:20:41,365
and I think I've shown that by some

1793
01:20:41,365 --> 01:20:42,365
of the things I've already done.

1794
01:20:42,435 --> 01:20:44,445
I'll continue to do that. Okay.

1795
01:20:48,965 --> 01:20:50,085
I just have a quick comment. I mean,

1796
01:20:50,785 --> 01:20:52,325
we all know this is a tough piece.

1797
01:20:52,435 --> 01:20:54,605
They, they, they try to bring in residential in

1798
01:20:54,665 --> 01:20:57,285
and that just didn't work.

1799
01:20:57,545 --> 01:21:00,405
So it is what it is.

1800
01:21:00,425 --> 01:21:04,045
But like I said, if you can continue to be a good neighbor,

1801
01:21:04,365 --> 01:21:05,725
I, it goes, it goes a long way,

1802
01:21:06,385 --> 01:21:07,485
you know? Yep. And I get this and

1803
01:21:07,485 --> 01:21:09,005
I have and that's why I, that's why

1804
01:21:09,045 --> 01:21:10,165
I have the neighbors that were closest

1805
01:21:10,225 --> 01:21:11,225
To me.

1806
01:21:11,225 --> 01:21:11,645
Yeah, yeah. No, I get it. State

1807
01:21:11,645 --> 01:21:12,645
That I have been a good neighbor.

1808
01:21:12,645 --> 01:21:13,765
You know, I, I know not everyone might

1809
01:21:13,765 --> 01:21:14,885
agree, but certainly some do.

1810
01:21:15,035 --> 01:21:16,035
Yeah.

1811
01:21:18,355 --> 01:21:22,405
Yeah. Okay. Mr. Carter, did you have a an alibi? Yes.

1812
01:21:25,225 --> 01:21:27,445
And I can Tom car too. Cunningham Drive.

1813
01:21:27,565 --> 01:21:29,965
I just wanted to, to talk a little bit about the water

1814
01:21:29,965 --> 01:21:31,725
because of the situation that I'm in.

1815
01:21:32,825 --> 01:21:34,765
Pen Chuck is had comes up

1816
01:21:34,765 --> 01:21:35,965
and fills up the well with,

1817
01:21:36,465 --> 01:21:38,565
I'm assuming it's Manchester Water, I don't know

1818
01:21:38,565 --> 01:21:40,165
how many times a week they do that.

1819
01:21:40,975 --> 01:21:44,285
We're only allowed to water our lawn from 5:00 AM to 8:00 AM

1820
01:21:44,865 --> 01:21:46,085
two mornings a week.

1821
01:21:46,305 --> 01:21:48,765
So they do. So we're not gonna run outta water

1822
01:21:48,765 --> 01:21:50,245
because they'll keep dumping it in.

1823
01:21:50,465 --> 01:21:52,085
But the water is absolutely terrible.

1824
01:21:52,235 --> 01:21:53,565
I've lived there for 36 years

1825
01:21:54,185 --> 01:21:57,965
and right now I am buying water from bottled water

1826
01:21:57,965 --> 01:21:59,445
because the water's so bad.

1827
01:21:59,505 --> 01:22:01,245
So anyway, I just wanted to make

1828
01:22:01,245 --> 01:22:02,285
that comment about the water

1829
01:22:02,625 --> 01:22:05,485
and I'm pretty sure that, that these guys are,

1830
01:22:05,875 --> 01:22:07,805
they probably get billed from Pennock,

1831
01:22:07,865 --> 01:22:10,445
but I think they're getting water from Manchester too.

1832
01:22:10,485 --> 01:22:11,965
I think Mr. Chase was correct about that.

1833
01:22:13,075 --> 01:22:15,845
Okay. Thank you. Anyone else

1834
01:22:17,725 --> 01:22:18,945
Sir Roja, you have an alibi,

1835
01:22:21,605 --> 01:22:22,605
Mr.

1836
01:22:22,605 --> 01:22:23,785
Chair for your awareness received on Rise

1837
01:22:23,985 --> 01:22:24,985
Alibi.

1838
01:22:24,985 --> 01:22:25,215
Okay, thank you.

1839
01:22:26,705 --> 01:22:29,305
I did just want to mention that, you know,

1840
01:22:29,745 --> 01:22:31,705
I didn't say it earlier because I thought we were supposed

1841
01:22:31,705 --> 01:22:33,625
to just be talking about specifically the

1842
01:22:33,625 --> 01:22:34,705
storage area itself.

1843
01:22:35,045 --> 01:22:36,185
It didn't occur to me

1844
01:22:36,335 --> 01:22:39,185
that the story storage area actually is a significant

1845
01:22:39,415 --> 01:22:41,545
expansion as everybody else had mentioned.

1846
01:22:42,265 --> 01:22:43,385
I wasn't thinking about it that way

1847
01:22:44,285 --> 01:22:45,625
to everybody's sound complaints.

1848
01:22:46,025 --> 01:22:50,145
I absolutely agree. It is ridiculously loud over there.

1849
01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:51,745
I hear their equipment all the time.

1850
01:22:51,965 --> 01:22:54,345
I'm up on the corner of Olson and Hampstead Road.

1851
01:22:54,525 --> 01:22:57,545
I'm not right there. They're still obnoxiously loud

1852
01:22:58,935 --> 01:23:01,785
when the trucks make those banging sounds,

1853
01:23:01,835 --> 01:23:04,225
which happens definitely more than three

1854
01:23:04,225 --> 01:23:06,245
to four times a week when that happens.

1855
01:23:06,875 --> 01:23:10,925
Anecdotally, anecdotally, up as far as Penny Lane,

1856
01:23:11,145 --> 01:23:12,725
it sets off dogs barking.

1857
01:23:13,035 --> 01:23:14,365
Okay. Up by

1858
01:23:14,365 --> 01:23:17,365
where Drew Woods is up there all around the neighborhood.

1859
01:23:17,425 --> 01:23:20,085
You hear dogs going berserk. It is loud.

1860
01:23:20,625 --> 01:23:25,085
And frankly I just, I want to see

1861
01:23:25,715 --> 01:23:29,485
some actual action to make them a better neighbor

1862
01:23:29,785 --> 01:23:32,285
before we see them expanding their business

1863
01:23:32,785 --> 01:23:34,565
to be more of a nuisance.

1864
01:23:34,565 --> 01:23:38,245
Because I personally living where I live, define them

1865
01:23:38,245 --> 01:23:39,445
as a nuisance property.

1866
01:23:39,555 --> 01:23:43,445
They're terrible to live near. So, thank you.

1867
01:23:44,465 --> 01:23:47,205
So we can speculate about

1868
01:23:47,635 --> 01:23:51,205
what the state had in mind when it made nurseries

1869
01:23:52,085 --> 01:23:53,205
an agricultural use.

1870
01:23:53,395 --> 01:23:57,205
Whether they really considered materials handling is part

1871
01:23:57,205 --> 01:23:58,365
of a nursery business.

1872
01:23:58,485 --> 01:23:59,485
'cause I can tell you

1873
01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:03,845
that when a large dump truck lets its gate slam,

1874
01:24:04,425 --> 01:24:06,805
it sounds like an explosion halfway across town.

1875
01:24:06,955 --> 01:24:11,405
It's loud. No fussing around with that. So

1876
01:24:11,775 --> 01:24:12,885
Thank you for acknowledging that.

1877
01:24:13,065 --> 01:24:15,565
Can you do anything about that?

1878
01:24:16,485 --> 01:24:18,165
I can't. And the reason why is

1879
01:24:18,165 --> 01:24:21,205
because I'm not the only one that gets deliveries.

1880
01:24:21,355 --> 01:24:22,765
It's a massive neighborhood.

1881
01:24:23,215 --> 01:24:27,445
There is, there is homes all around that receive delivery

1882
01:24:27,505 --> 01:24:28,525
of all kinds of product.

1883
01:24:29,165 --> 01:24:31,125
I don't know which ones are getting what at what time.

1884
01:24:31,185 --> 01:24:33,925
So we can't put a regulation saying every time a truck

1885
01:24:33,935 --> 01:24:35,645
bangs, if they're building a house,

1886
01:24:35,645 --> 01:24:38,805
which they have been building a house about 400 feet down on

1887
01:24:39,005 --> 01:24:41,205
Hamstead on the right, paving trucks,

1888
01:24:42,325 --> 01:24:44,805
material trucks coming in, tractor

1889
01:24:44,805 --> 01:24:46,765
to trailer trucks delivering things within

1890
01:24:47,315 --> 01:24:49,005
earshot of these neighbors.

1891
01:24:49,405 --> 01:24:50,725
I can't be responsible for that.

1892
01:24:51,285 --> 01:24:55,645
I, there I can't be looked at. Is is the problem.

1893
01:24:56,645 --> 01:24:58,285
I can't be I understand. I I just can't, what

1894
01:24:58,285 --> 01:25:01,765
what I'm asking is, can you talk to your delivery vendors?

1895
01:25:02,865 --> 01:25:03,925
I'm gonna go out on a limb here

1896
01:25:04,165 --> 01:25:06,725
'cause I don't, I'm not a trucker

1897
01:25:06,725 --> 01:25:07,885
and I don't really understand this,

1898
01:25:08,145 --> 01:25:11,845
but my belief from having seen some of those things come

1899
01:25:11,845 --> 01:25:15,085
to my house and, and they bang their gate

1900
01:25:15,425 --> 01:25:17,925
to shake the last little bit of, of,

1901
01:25:18,025 --> 01:25:20,805
of material loose from the bed.

1902
01:25:21,415 --> 01:25:23,045
Right. It, it's sounds right.

1903
01:25:23,795 --> 01:25:25,525
It's not actually what they need to do to close it.

1904
01:25:25,675 --> 01:25:29,325
They're doing a intentional bang to shake everything loose

1905
01:25:29,505 --> 01:25:30,885
so they don't have to go up there with a shovel

1906
01:25:30,985 --> 01:25:32,045
and get the last dreads.

1907
01:25:32,345 --> 01:25:34,005
Is that something you can affect?

1908
01:25:34,445 --> 01:25:37,285
I mean, can we, can we put a sign out by our bins

1909
01:25:37,285 --> 01:25:40,365
or tell our vendors that, you know, no banging gates?

1910
01:25:40,445 --> 01:25:42,565
I don't, I'm not a truck driver, so I can't tell you if

1911
01:25:42,565 --> 01:25:44,925
that's possible. It might be possible.

1912
01:25:44,985 --> 01:25:47,085
Anyone else actually understand that.

1913
01:25:47,085 --> 01:25:48,605
That's why they do it. Mr. Chase?

1914
01:25:50,105 --> 01:25:52,765
Yes. Being the owner of a truck, dump truck,

1915
01:25:53,435 --> 01:25:55,525
that is why we bang the gates.

1916
01:25:56,905 --> 01:26:00,405
It can, the load can be dumped without banging the gate.

1917
01:26:00,505 --> 01:26:04,205
As they pull away from the pile, they pull away slowly

1918
01:26:04,425 --> 01:26:06,805
and let the gate come down off the pile slowly

1919
01:26:06,825 --> 01:26:08,205
and it will not slam.

1920
01:26:08,865 --> 01:26:12,045
But there may be some material left in the bed of the truck,

1921
01:26:12,045 --> 01:26:13,405
depending on his moisture content,

1922
01:26:13,635 --> 01:26:15,885
whether they got a slippery bed, whatever.

1923
01:26:16,825 --> 01:26:19,965
So yes, it, you could ask your vendors

1924
01:26:20,185 --> 01:26:22,085
to not let their gate slam. That is

1925
01:26:22,285 --> 01:26:23,365
Possible. I can add signage for that.

1926
01:26:23,735 --> 01:26:25,205
Especially if they're doing it just

1927
01:26:25,205 --> 01:26:28,405
to get the last little sticky bits out the bed. You know, a

1928
01:26:28,405 --> 01:26:29,405
Six wheeler.

1929
01:26:29,405 --> 01:26:30,085
It's not bad to get up in there

1930
01:26:30,105 --> 01:26:34,805
and get what little is left A triaxle Yeah, it's done

1931
01:26:35,525 --> 01:26:37,165
possible to get there and get the last little,

1932
01:26:37,745 --> 01:26:38,965
But again, I'm, I'm happy to help.

1933
01:26:39,225 --> 01:26:40,845
I'm happy to put a sign up and, and

1934
01:26:41,065 --> 01:26:42,845
and try to control what I can control.

1935
01:26:42,985 --> 01:26:44,205
But again, a quarter

1936
01:26:44,205 --> 01:26:46,045
of a mile the other direction, there's a horse farm.

1937
01:26:46,325 --> 01:26:48,925
I actually know the owner, they receive product

1938
01:26:49,105 --> 01:26:51,485
by dump truck the other direction.

1939
01:26:51,485 --> 01:26:52,845
They were building a house on the same road.

1940
01:26:52,965 --> 01:26:54,285
I don't know when the next house is gonna be built.

1941
01:26:54,305 --> 01:26:58,165
So I can control what I can control. I'm happy to do that.

1942
01:26:58,595 --> 01:27:00,005
Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean it,

1943
01:27:00,005 --> 01:27:01,045
this should be a two way street.

1944
01:27:01,065 --> 01:27:04,485
If, if you can do what you can to get your vendors not

1945
01:27:04,485 --> 01:27:06,325
to do the, the gate banging in order

1946
01:27:06,325 --> 01:27:07,965
to get the last little drs out.

1947
01:27:07,975 --> 01:27:12,205
Right. You can't control anyone else in, in the vicinity.

1948
01:27:12,205 --> 01:27:13,565
And, and the neighbors need to be aware that,

1949
01:27:13,665 --> 01:27:16,565
and you're not the only one who gets dump truck deliveries,

1950
01:27:16,565 --> 01:27:17,725
but if you're doing the right thing,

1951
01:27:17,725 --> 01:27:20,445
hopefully they'll also cut you a little slack.

1952
01:27:20,695 --> 01:27:21,695
Right.

1953
01:27:22,195 --> 01:27:24,485
With respect, we, we've never had these issues

1954
01:27:24,535 --> 01:27:25,565
until he moved in.

1955
01:27:25,645 --> 01:27:27,285
I don't think it's a leap for us to say

1956
01:27:27,285 --> 01:27:28,485
that he is the problem here.

1957
01:27:29,725 --> 01:27:31,325
I also do want to directly ask, well

1958
01:27:32,105 --> 01:27:33,405
The church didn't certainly do that.

1959
01:27:34,075 --> 01:27:36,045
Correct. The the church didn't make

1960
01:27:36,065 --> 01:27:37,365
noises when they were closed down.

1961
01:27:37,365 --> 01:27:39,125
It didn't make noises. We didn't have noise

1962
01:27:39,525 --> 01:27:40,565
problems in the area.

1963
01:27:41,025 --> 01:27:43,525
He moved in and now we have noise issues.

1964
01:27:44,075 --> 01:27:47,085
It's pretty unfair to blame the horse farm. I mean, come on.

1965
01:27:47,385 --> 01:27:49,205
Yes, there is one house being built

1966
01:27:49,925 --> 01:27:52,205
that is right a little bit down the road from him.

1967
01:27:53,915 --> 01:27:58,005
It's the same house that he disparaged our neighborhood

1968
01:27:58,105 --> 01:28:00,325
by accusing us of having disgusting

1969
01:28:00,605 --> 01:28:01,805
dumpsters out by the road.

1970
01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:03,405
When people were talking about

1971
01:28:03,405 --> 01:28:04,805
how his property didn't look good,

1972
01:28:04,945 --> 01:28:06,525
it was actually just a house being built.

1973
01:28:06,535 --> 01:28:08,325
Thank you for disparaging our neighborhood.

1974
01:28:08,385 --> 01:28:12,125
But in any case, I do want to directly ask,

1975
01:28:12,125 --> 01:28:15,085
there's been a lot of Could you, could you Yeah, I could.

1976
01:28:15,985 --> 01:28:19,205
Mr. Della Hunte, will you commit

1977
01:28:19,505 --> 01:28:23,245
to putting in signage here on the record rather than just

1978
01:28:23,245 --> 01:28:24,685
saying, yeah, it's something I could do.

1979
01:28:26,225 --> 01:28:28,085
So first of all, my name's not Mr. Della Hunty my name.

1980
01:28:28,505 --> 01:28:30,165
I'm so sorry Mr. Aka. Secondly,

1981
01:28:30,285 --> 01:28:31,565
I didn't disparage the house

1982
01:28:31,565 --> 01:28:32,805
that was being built down the street.

1983
01:28:33,045 --> 01:28:34,565
I know this is a tit for tat I'm trying,

1984
01:28:34,565 --> 01:28:36,085
that was in a butter that,

1985
01:28:36,085 --> 01:28:38,405
that was in abut on the other side down the, down,

1986
01:28:38,475 --> 01:28:40,445
down the way when they, that was talked about.

1987
01:28:40,985 --> 01:28:43,565
But when I spoke about dumpsters in someone's front yard,

1988
01:28:43,675 --> 01:28:46,485
it's the other direction actually in his, in his vicinity.

1989
01:28:46,485 --> 01:28:48,205
It's across from one of the other abutters

1990
01:28:48,205 --> 01:28:49,765
across the street from me. So I, I'm

1991
01:28:49,765 --> 01:28:50,765
I'm gonna cut this.

1992
01:28:50,765 --> 01:28:53,045
I'm just clarifying My name. It's not, I

1993
01:28:53,045 --> 01:28:54,485
Don't care about that ta who said

1994
01:28:54,485 --> 01:28:55,725
what about who really doesn't matter.

1995
01:28:55,725 --> 01:28:57,805
Nothing to do with the planning board. I'm sorry. Right.

1996
01:28:58,305 --> 01:29:01,325
It may have to do with the emotions behind the concerns,

1997
01:29:01,325 --> 01:29:03,405
but it, it's not something we can take into

1998
01:29:03,405 --> 01:29:04,525
account in a delivery.

1999
01:29:04,525 --> 01:29:07,765
Understood. I, I did just ask a, a direct question to Mr.

2000
01:29:08,225 --> 01:29:09,965
Ya. So can we, can we ask you

2001
01:29:09,985 --> 01:29:13,845
to put a condition on the ex approval of the expansion

2002
01:29:14,555 --> 01:29:17,525
that you will instruct the signage

2003
01:29:17,525 --> 01:29:21,565
or whatever your delivery drivers not

2004
01:29:21,625 --> 01:29:23,645
to bang their tailgates in order

2005
01:29:23,745 --> 01:29:25,165
to clear the last bit of material.

2006
01:29:25,705 --> 01:29:27,565
Is that a reasonable restriction for you?

2007
01:29:29,485 --> 01:29:30,525
I can ask, but I can't.

2008
01:29:30,645 --> 01:29:31,645
I, you know, I, again,

2009
01:29:31,725 --> 01:29:34,125
I can't control if there's another delivery somewhere else

2010
01:29:34,545 --> 01:29:36,405
and then I'm, then someone goes to,

2011
01:29:36,985 --> 01:29:39,765
or now I guess it's electronic files a complaint about me.

2012
01:29:39,885 --> 01:29:42,085
I, I can't put signage. I'm happy to do it.

2013
01:29:43,025 --> 01:29:44,805
I'm happy to put that as a condition if you'd like.

2014
01:29:44,925 --> 01:29:45,925
I have no problem with that.

2015
01:29:46,275 --> 01:29:49,125
Okay. Counsel sir. Thank you.

2016
01:29:51,385 --> 01:29:53,205
Anyone else from the board? Yes,

2017
01:29:54,905 --> 01:29:55,905
Mr. Chase.

2018
01:29:55,905 --> 01:30:00,325
So I have a couple of clarifications if you could. Sure.

2019
01:30:00,345 --> 01:30:03,085
And then I have a couple of questions, so Sure.

2020
01:30:04,185 --> 01:30:07,685
On the second site plan that you gave compared

2021
01:30:07,685 --> 01:30:11,845
to the first one, it shows existing container,

2022
01:30:12,205 --> 01:30:13,685
existing shed, existing greenhouse.

2023
01:30:15,235 --> 01:30:19,285
What then in the, when were those added?

2024
01:30:21,355 --> 01:30:24,645
Because on, on the existing synopsis it said they were added

2025
01:30:24,745 --> 01:30:26,725
at some point past. Yeah, so,

2026
01:30:27,145 --> 01:30:29,245
So the existing shed was the garage

2027
01:30:29,275 --> 01:30:30,845
that was there when I purchased the property.

2028
01:30:30,845 --> 01:30:33,325
That's like a 24 by 24 I believe. Okay.

2029
01:30:34,075 --> 01:30:38,405
They show it in purple. But it's existing the,

2030
01:30:39,185 --> 01:30:42,285
it says existing greenhouse, it's actually not there.

2031
01:30:42,315 --> 01:30:44,965
It's a frame. We just put a frame up

2032
01:30:45,065 --> 01:30:49,485
so there's no nothing over the frame it, it's there now.

2033
01:30:50,065 --> 01:30:51,085
The container was added.

2034
01:30:52,645 --> 01:30:54,125
I don't have a date certain for you.

2035
01:30:54,265 --> 01:30:56,805
So somebo sometime between when I moved in and now. Okay.

2036
01:30:57,585 --> 01:30:58,645
Yes, those. So,

2037
01:30:58,995 --> 01:31:01,325
Okay, so my question on those Yes.

2038
01:31:01,385 --> 01:31:05,845
Are you did number one,

2039
01:31:05,845 --> 01:31:08,325
they meet setbacks, especially the one next

2040
01:31:08,345 --> 01:31:09,885
to the main building.

2041
01:31:10,345 --> 01:31:13,045
It looks pretty close to the side lot line. Yeah.

2042
01:31:13,045 --> 01:31:14,445
It's shown on this, in that area.

2043
01:31:14,475 --> 01:31:16,005
It's actually tucked right up against the building

2044
01:31:16,025 --> 01:31:17,765
and I do believe it meet the side set back.

2045
01:31:17,765 --> 01:31:22,205
Yes. Okay. And sheds of that size,

2046
01:31:22,355 --> 01:31:25,205
even the containers now need permits.

2047
01:31:25,205 --> 01:31:27,005
They're over 120 square feet.

2048
01:31:27,005 --> 01:31:28,445
You do get the appropriate permits, correct?

2049
01:31:28,765 --> 01:31:32,565
I did not. I didn't know it was at the time. At the time.

2050
01:31:32,565 --> 01:31:34,685
That's why it's on the plan now

2051
01:31:34,685 --> 01:31:36,645
because at the time I was under the assumption

2052
01:31:36,715 --> 01:31:38,405
that containers were allowed.

2053
01:31:39,285 --> 01:31:42,285
I believe the, it's changed in anything above a hundred.

2054
01:31:42,605 --> 01:31:44,725
Anything above 120 square feet you need a permit for,

2055
01:31:44,725 --> 01:31:46,165
and they do have to meet the setbacks.

2056
01:31:46,235 --> 01:31:48,565
Okay. The, that's right.

2057
01:31:48,895 --> 01:31:53,005
Other concern that I have is on the snow storage on,

2058
01:31:54,035 --> 01:31:57,165
I'll call it plan one, which showed most

2059
01:31:57,165 --> 01:31:58,245
of the older conditions.

2060
01:31:58,635 --> 01:32:00,285
Okay. Not this one. The other plant

2061
01:32:00,345 --> 01:32:01,525
set opposite of this one.

2062
01:32:02,345 --> 01:32:06,405
And it shows proposed equipment storage area,

2063
01:32:07,615 --> 01:32:09,805
which is actually in your snow storage area.

2064
01:32:10,325 --> 01:32:15,205
'cause note 14, all snow storage shall be on paved

2065
01:32:15,205 --> 01:32:17,485
and curved areas or bin locations.

2066
01:32:17,585 --> 01:32:21,845
So if you're gonna put equipment storage there,

2067
01:32:22,415 --> 01:32:24,085
where are you gonna put your snow storage now?

2068
01:32:24,265 --> 01:32:26,085
And that equipment storage takes away

2069
01:32:27,055 --> 01:32:28,365
eight spaces, nine spaces.

2070
01:32:30,465 --> 01:32:31,645
So I don't have the plan in front of you.

2071
01:32:32,025 --> 01:32:36,405
2025 equipment storage where the equipment.

2072
01:32:37,345 --> 01:32:39,285
So, which brings up my next question.

2073
01:32:39,385 --> 01:32:41,565
So now he's got it in stock area.

2074
01:32:41,905 --> 01:32:43,205
So if it's not gonna be equipment,

2075
01:32:43,265 --> 01:32:45,685
but it's still gonna be stock area that's still taking out

2076
01:32:46,195 --> 01:32:48,045
parking spaces and snow

2077
01:32:48,045 --> 01:32:50,565
storage that you had designated. So I

2078
01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:51,765
Guess, I guess I'm confused

2079
01:32:51,765 --> 01:32:54,525
because I don't have, are you referring to the plan

2080
01:32:54,525 --> 01:32:56,445
that's here or an older plan?

2081
01:32:57,195 --> 01:32:58,285
It's the 2025 plan.

2082
01:32:58,305 --> 01:33:00,325
Liz just got me to it. It showed, I just

2083
01:33:00,325 --> 01:33:03,965
Don't have it so I can't, So it says in stock area

2084
01:33:04,425 --> 01:33:05,965
by the purple existing shed.

2085
01:33:06,745 --> 01:33:08,125
Oh yeah. Okay.

2086
01:33:08,125 --> 01:33:10,125
That I don't know what, so that was designated as

2087
01:33:10,705 --> 01:33:12,005
Is is my parking area.

2088
01:33:12,105 --> 01:33:14,365
That's paper. I dunno what we don't put stock on

2089
01:33:14,365 --> 01:33:15,365
The paper.

2090
01:33:15,365 --> 01:33:16,765
Okay. So well this is, these are the things that need

2091
01:33:16,765 --> 01:33:18,845
to be cleared up before we sign off on any plan set.

2092
01:33:19,085 --> 01:33:21,165
'cause if we sign off on this plan set

2093
01:33:21,165 --> 01:33:24,805
that says new nursery storage area, then

2094
01:33:25,985 --> 01:33:27,845
you know that's saying that you're able to do that.

2095
01:33:27,985 --> 01:33:32,645
But that was designated in 2025 as your snow storage area.

2096
01:33:34,355 --> 01:33:35,485
Yeah. And We were

2097
01:33:35,485 --> 01:33:38,765
Asked, we were asked in TRC, I believe to,

2098
01:33:38,905 --> 01:33:40,125
to do our very best

2099
01:33:40,265 --> 01:33:42,605
to leave all the snow on the pavement. Correct.

2100
01:33:42,785 --> 01:33:46,005
But let's note 14 on the plan, both plans. That's

2101
01:33:46,005 --> 01:33:47,005
Note 14.

2102
01:33:47,005 --> 01:33:48,165
We did that. I mean we had a lot of snow last year.

2103
01:33:48,165 --> 01:33:49,445
We lost a lot of parking spaces,

2104
01:33:49,545 --> 01:33:51,445
but we did our best to leave it on the pavement.

2105
01:33:51,475 --> 01:33:54,765
Okay. Th that area

2106
01:33:55,905 --> 01:33:57,725
that's gonna need to be corrected I guess by,

2107
01:33:57,785 --> 01:33:59,565
by the engineer that, that green area

2108
01:34:00,385 --> 01:34:02,525
why it carries over onto the pavement.

2109
01:34:02,645 --> 01:34:05,045
I I don't understand the, it's

2110
01:34:05,045 --> 01:34:07,645
that's the pavement's just staying in spaces. I don't

2111
01:34:07,745 --> 01:34:11,085
So I would to to, to my satisfaction that would have to be

2112
01:34:11,635 --> 01:34:16,445
corrected and snow storage areas, at least one needs

2113
01:34:16,445 --> 01:34:17,565
to be designated on the plan

2114
01:34:17,905 --> 01:34:19,325
and that needs to be taken. Well

2115
01:34:19,325 --> 01:34:21,285
My understanding of the snow storage area though,

2116
01:34:21,385 --> 01:34:23,685
Mr. Chase is when I left TRC is they wanted it

2117
01:34:24,105 --> 01:34:25,125
on the pavement.

2118
01:34:25,345 --> 01:34:27,245
Yes. It wasn't designated a particular

2119
01:34:27,305 --> 01:34:29,245
That's, I'm talking about that area

2120
01:34:29,245 --> 01:34:32,645
that you're talking about there that goes onto the pavement

2121
01:34:33,995 --> 01:34:37,045
that was on the 2025 plan is snow storage area.

2122
01:34:37,905 --> 01:34:41,685
So if you've got that as stock, that can't be snow storage.

2123
01:34:41,905 --> 01:34:43,445
You are correct the note state

2124
01:34:43,445 --> 01:34:44,725
that it has to be on the pavement.

2125
01:34:44,915 --> 01:34:47,165
Sure. And on the new plan that you're submitting to us,

2126
01:34:47,225 --> 01:34:51,525
you have nothing other than note 14 that designates

2127
01:34:51,895 --> 01:34:53,685
where your snow storage area is gonna be.

2128
01:34:55,025 --> 01:34:57,085
Mr. Chase, I have a a technical question. Question.

2129
01:34:58,115 --> 01:35:00,605
Snow storage is useful when there's snow in the winter.

2130
01:35:00,675 --> 01:35:05,165
Typically you don't have nursery plants out over winter.

2131
01:35:05,185 --> 01:35:06,725
You sell 'em off. So the question is,

2132
01:35:07,305 --> 01:35:10,565
is the snow storage area, is it forbidden to be used

2133
01:35:10,585 --> 01:35:12,525
for anything else during the summer months?

2134
01:35:13,445 --> 01:35:17,165
Probably not, but as I stated, there's nothing on

2135
01:35:17,165 --> 01:35:20,405
that plan to designate any snow storage area.

2136
01:35:20,405 --> 01:35:24,685
Period. And it would have to be noted if that was to be left

2137
01:35:24,985 --> 01:35:26,885
as it is new nursery stock area

2138
01:35:27,195 --> 01:35:28,685
that overflows onto the pavement.

2139
01:35:29,005 --> 01:35:30,805
I would think that there would have to be a note that

2140
01:35:30,805 --> 01:35:32,245
that would have to be removed

2141
01:35:33,025 --> 01:35:37,445
before snow arrived to be used as a snow storage area.

2142
01:35:37,545 --> 01:35:40,685
Unless he has another designated area.

2143
01:35:40,905 --> 01:35:43,205
I'm just going by the 2025 plan that showed that

2144
01:35:43,225 --> 01:35:44,965
as a snow storage area and he has nothing on

2145
01:35:44,965 --> 01:35:46,045
the new plan. Okay.

2146
01:35:46,555 --> 01:35:51,125
Yeah. Yeah. So if you have removed a, a designation

2147
01:35:51,125 --> 01:35:54,845
of a snow storage area in going from the old plant set

2148
01:35:54,845 --> 01:35:57,205
to the new plant set, that probably needs to be corrected.

2149
01:35:57,205 --> 01:35:59,205
Corrected, yes. I I just

2150
01:35:59,205 --> 01:36:00,445
assumed it was in the same spot.

2151
01:36:00,565 --> 01:36:03,685
I apologize. I we're not moving the snow storage area.

2152
01:36:03,955 --> 01:36:05,805
Yeah, we still have to leave the snow on the pavement.

2153
01:36:05,845 --> 01:36:07,725
I it needs to be designated on the plan to,

2154
01:36:07,785 --> 01:36:10,045
to comply with note 14. We, we

2155
01:36:10,045 --> 01:36:11,045
We'll have it fixed Up.

2156
01:36:11,155 --> 01:36:12,685
Okay. Thank, I know it's petty but

2157
01:36:13,355 --> 01:36:14,355
It's not petty at all.

2158
01:36:17,345 --> 01:36:20,485
And I believe that would be it.

2159
01:36:20,485 --> 01:36:22,245
I would like it noted on the plan also

2160
01:36:22,275 --> 01:36:26,805
that he get the required permits for the additional

2161
01:36:27,655 --> 01:36:30,965
containers and be sure that they meet the setbacks.

2162
01:36:31,665 --> 01:36:34,325
No problem. Thank you.

2163
01:36:37,965 --> 01:36:38,165
Anything else?

2164
01:36:43,235 --> 01:36:45,805
Okay. You seem to have reached some level

2165
01:36:45,805 --> 01:36:46,845
of Thank you please.

2166
01:36:46,905 --> 01:36:49,485
So can I have a, a motion to close the public hearing?

2167
01:36:49,825 --> 01:36:51,845
So move Mr. Chair. Second.

2168
01:36:51,975 --> 01:36:54,045
Moved by O'Connor, seconded by Malibu

2169
01:36:54,045 --> 01:36:55,085
to close the public hearing.

2170
01:36:55,105 --> 01:36:58,245
All is fair to say? Aye. Aye. Aye. Public hearing is closed.

2171
01:37:00,585 --> 01:37:03,445
So do we want to have any deliberation on

2172
01:37:04,985 --> 01:37:06,085
any of the issues?

2173
01:37:07,065 --> 01:37:10,685
We, we talked about some notes that need to go on the plans.

2174
01:37:11,865 --> 01:37:13,605
We talked about a prohibition

2175
01:37:13,625 --> 01:37:17,045
or at least a, a good faith prohibition on dump trucks,

2176
01:37:17,195 --> 01:37:21,285
banging their gates of those things that we want to add as,

2177
01:37:21,305 --> 01:37:23,765
as conditions of approval for this amendment.

2178
01:37:25,395 --> 01:37:26,605
What is the board's feeling on that?

2179
01:37:27,685 --> 01:37:29,685
I mean, I I would agree with that

2180
01:37:29,685 --> 01:37:33,725
because the applicant said he would be willing to sign up.

2181
01:37:34,205 --> 01:37:35,485
I mean, I think we have to, to

2182
01:37:35,485 --> 01:37:37,045
what we can reasonably do to Yeah.

2183
01:37:37,405 --> 01:37:39,765
Mitigate issues for the, you know, the neighbors.

2184
01:37:40,125 --> 01:37:43,165
I mean, I I do not think it's unreasonable for

2185
01:37:44,415 --> 01:37:47,765
signs posted at the bulk storage areas where as,

2186
01:37:47,865 --> 01:37:49,805
as the trucks back up to their areas,

2187
01:37:49,915 --> 01:37:53,325
they're staring at a sign, please do not allow

2188
01:37:54,395 --> 01:37:57,125
tailgates to slam something of that verbiage.

2189
01:37:57,205 --> 01:37:58,325
I don't think that's unreasonable.

2190
01:37:59,255 --> 01:38:02,635
And I wanted to ask the board, is there any

2191
01:38:03,725 --> 01:38:06,595
we've hashed over the upland area pretty good.

2192
01:38:06,665 --> 01:38:10,555
Does anybody have any qualms

2193
01:38:10,555 --> 01:38:13,755
or questions about the new stock area

2194
01:38:13,895 --> 01:38:15,275
around the building, the main building?

2195
01:38:16,955 --> 01:38:18,395
Nobody's discussed that at all.

2196
01:38:18,745 --> 01:38:21,035
Just wanna make sure that, that doesn't get overlooked.

2197
01:38:22,805 --> 01:38:24,055
Just for clarity. Is, is

2198
01:38:24,055 --> 01:38:26,615
that being expanded from nine feet to 14 feet?

2199
01:38:29,565 --> 01:38:31,135
Where's the note on 14 feet?

2200
01:38:31,955 --> 01:38:35,495
No, I think I had mentioned at the beginning the, the path

2201
01:38:35,765 --> 01:38:38,695
that leads out to the upland area

2202
01:38:38,785 --> 01:38:40,095
where they're gonna add stock.

2203
01:38:40,945 --> 01:38:44,335
Originally when we discussed it a year ago at TRC,

2204
01:38:44,335 --> 01:38:45,855
it was gonna be 14 feet wide.

2205
01:38:46,085 --> 01:38:48,975
It's shown on the plan is nine feet wide mulched and

2206
01:38:48,975 --> 01:38:50,575
It will remain as nine feet.

2207
01:38:51,365 --> 01:38:53,795
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. He

2208
01:38:53,795 --> 01:38:54,795
Stepped Up.

2209
01:38:54,795 --> 01:38:55,215
Yes. Okay. Yes.

2210
01:39:02,795 --> 01:39:05,475
Anything else? All right.

2211
01:39:05,475 --> 01:39:07,755
Let's then proceed with the findings of fact.

2212
01:39:10,735 --> 01:39:15,075
Mr. Chair, move to fi move to find the proposed plan.

2213
01:39:15,465 --> 01:39:17,075
Provide safe and efficient vehicle

2214
01:39:17,935 --> 01:39:20,115
and pedestrian access in the design

2215
01:39:20,135 --> 01:39:23,755
and construction of the access ways in walkways adequate

2216
01:39:23,755 --> 01:39:26,995
to accommodate the anticipated volume of traffic proposed

2217
01:39:27,095 --> 01:39:30,075
by the development in the previous findings

2218
01:39:30,075 --> 01:39:32,035
of fact remain unchanged.

2219
01:39:32,335 --> 01:39:36,275
Second, moved by O'Connor, seconded by Mabe

2220
01:39:36,275 --> 01:39:37,355
to make findings of fact.

2221
01:39:37,415 --> 01:39:40,195
Any discussion if not Mr. Chase?

2222
01:39:41,215 --> 01:39:45,715
Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Mni? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

2223
01:39:46,495 --> 01:39:51,315
Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes.

2224
01:39:51,325 --> 01:39:55,835
Chair votes? Yes. And on the conditional approval,

2225
01:39:56,615 --> 01:39:57,615
Mr.

2226
01:39:57,615 --> 01:39:57,955
Chair, I'm after review

2227
01:39:57,955 --> 01:40:00,955
and deliberation of the amended site plan application

2228
01:40:00,955 --> 01:40:05,755
for PID 1 0 0 1 2 Byrd Enterprise,

2229
01:40:05,895 --> 01:40:08,675
the board finds the applicant has satisfied the general

2230
01:40:08,715 --> 01:40:12,315
requirements of the land Development control regulations.

2231
01:40:12,385 --> 01:40:15,755
Therefore the motion is to approve pursuant

2232
01:40:15,775 --> 01:40:18,435
to RSA 6 76.

2233
01:40:19,775 --> 01:40:21,355
Number four, room renewal.

2234
01:40:21,525 --> 01:40:26,075
Three expedited review with the following conditions.

2235
01:40:27,335 --> 01:40:29,755
One subject to owner's signature. So, oops.

2236
01:40:29,755 --> 01:40:30,755
Conditions precedent,

2237
01:40:31,445 --> 01:40:33,155
Conditions precedent, sorry.

2238
01:40:35,665 --> 01:40:37,515
Subject to owner's signature

2239
01:40:38,295 --> 01:40:40,995
at a planning board signature block to the lower

2240
01:40:42,125 --> 01:40:44,515
right hand corner of the cover sheet.

2241
01:40:45,295 --> 01:40:47,915
Number three, stock items to the front

2242
01:40:47,915 --> 01:40:50,155
of the lot shall be placed in such a manner

2243
01:40:50,545 --> 01:40:53,075
that they do not interfere with site distance

2244
01:40:53,185 --> 01:40:55,005
for vehicles exiting the property.

2245
01:40:55,865 --> 01:40:58,045
Number four, written,

2246
01:40:58,625 --> 01:41:01,325
obtain written approval from the planning director slash

2247
01:41:01,365 --> 01:41:04,725
designee that the GIS submission is received

2248
01:41:04,725 --> 01:41:06,365
and is operatable and complies

2249
01:41:06,365 --> 01:41:10,485
with the LDCR section one 70 dash 61 C

2250
01:41:11,385 --> 01:41:14,965
number five, conditions precedent shall be met

2251
01:41:14,965 --> 01:41:16,325
within six months.

2252
01:41:18,865 --> 01:41:22,725
Number six, add signs to delivery trucks.

2253
01:41:22,985 --> 01:41:25,645
Not to bang the tailgates.

2254
01:41:26,725 --> 01:41:28,045
There was a comment on nurseries

2255
01:41:29,925 --> 01:41:33,185
and he said it was just a frame and there was

2256
01:41:33,245 --> 01:41:34,745
No be Any nursery.

2257
01:41:34,925 --> 01:41:36,625
Is that, is is a frame structure,

2258
01:41:37,485 --> 01:41:40,505
Was that initial, What you mentioned the storage

2259
01:41:40,505 --> 01:41:42,505
container but not the frame for the nursery

2260
01:41:42,505 --> 01:41:43,545
that had no covering over it.

2261
01:41:43,545 --> 01:41:44,545
Is that a concern?

2262
01:41:46,365 --> 01:41:49,625
No, not that the, he had said that one

2263
01:41:49,625 --> 01:41:52,825
of the quote existing sheds was, was an existing garage

2264
01:41:52,825 --> 01:41:54,225
that was there before he bought the property.

2265
01:41:54,485 --> 01:41:56,025
I'm talking about the two 10

2266
01:41:56,025 --> 01:41:58,065
by 20 storage containers that were moved in there.

2267
01:41:58,295 --> 01:42:01,705
Okay. Okay. So Were there any other conditions that

2268
01:42:02,005 --> 01:42:04,225
One more we would be at?

2269
01:42:04,325 --> 01:42:08,545
Oh yeah, clarify the proper locations

2270
01:42:08,545 --> 01:42:10,105
for the snow storage on the plan. That's

2271
01:42:10,105 --> 01:42:11,105
What I got.

2272
01:42:11,105 --> 01:42:13,665
Address snow storage area formally number 14

2273
01:42:13,885 --> 01:42:14,905
on the original print.

2274
01:42:18,015 --> 01:42:19,905
That is address the snow storage area

2275
01:42:20,745 --> 01:42:22,305
formally number 14 on the original print.

2276
01:42:22,975 --> 01:42:24,505
Okay, so, so Don,

2277
01:42:24,505 --> 01:42:25,505
you can't look at me when you're talking,

2278
01:42:25,745 --> 01:42:26,545
you gotta talk in the mic.

2279
01:42:28,345 --> 01:42:29,945
I know it's polite looking who you're talking to,

2280
01:42:29,965 --> 01:42:31,785
but it doesn't work here.

2281
01:42:33,855 --> 01:42:35,185
Just for The record and I'll repeat it.

2282
01:42:35,255 --> 01:42:37,625
Alright. Did, did the clerk get that? Alright,

2283
01:42:37,885 --> 01:42:38,705
You got it. Okay.

2284
01:42:39,445 --> 01:42:42,625
And, and you got the ion subsequent. You got that one

2285
01:42:45,125 --> 01:42:47,305
In, in the fine print condition.

2286
01:42:47,315 --> 01:42:50,105
Subsequent subject to onsite inspection

2287
01:42:50,205 --> 01:42:53,105
by the town engineer will keep him

2288
01:42:53,105 --> 01:42:54,105
Busy.

2289
01:42:54,105 --> 01:42:55,425
We have a conditional approval moved

2290
01:42:55,445 --> 01:42:57,705
by O'Connor, seconded by Maie. Any discussion?

2291
01:42:58,575 --> 01:43:01,745
Just for the record? Did did we capture the permit?

2292
01:43:02,545 --> 01:43:05,185
I know it was, there was some talking over Mr. O'Connor.

2293
01:43:06,295 --> 01:43:07,705
What was the question? I'm Sorry. The, the 10

2294
01:43:07,705 --> 01:43:09,105
by twenties, was that captured in

2295
01:43:09,105 --> 01:43:10,785
The, From what I,

2296
01:43:11,005 --> 01:43:12,825
the storage containers issue from Randy?

2297
01:43:13,575 --> 01:43:14,785
Yeah, the, that was Storage?

2298
01:43:15,445 --> 01:43:17,545
No, no, no. For the 10 by twenties, the

2299
01:43:17,545 --> 01:43:18,545
10 by 20 containers.

2300
01:43:18,545 --> 01:43:21,865
He must have obtained the permits

2301
01:43:22,405 --> 01:43:24,305
and make sure that they adhere

2302
01:43:24,305 --> 01:43:25,545
to these setback requirements.

2303
01:43:25,545 --> 01:43:27,345
Alright, so that needs to be an additional

2304
01:43:28,065 --> 01:43:29,825
subsequent condition of approval. Yeah.

2305
01:43:29,925 --> 01:43:31,185
Oh, I, I captured that

2306
01:43:31,185 --> 01:43:33,945
as a condition precedent number seven, based on

2307
01:43:33,965 --> 01:43:35,625
how he was saying it.

2308
01:43:36,445 --> 01:43:37,905
Yes. Okay, great.

2309
01:43:38,585 --> 01:43:40,505
I guess we did, you only went as far as six.

2310
01:43:40,505 --> 01:43:42,785
So we, we got it? Yep. Yep. Okay. Yeah.

2311
01:43:42,885 --> 01:43:46,705
Any other discussion? Mr. Chase?

2312
01:43:47,685 --> 01:43:52,245
Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?

2313
01:43:52,785 --> 01:43:57,685
Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Chair Cello? Yes.

2314
01:43:57,745 --> 01:43:59,765
Mr. Ami? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes.

2315
01:44:00,735 --> 01:44:03,205
Thank you very much and I, I hope everything works out well

2316
01:44:03,205 --> 01:44:04,245
for everyone honestly.

2317
01:44:04,495 --> 01:44:04,925
Thank you.

2318
01:44:11,795 --> 01:44:15,365
Okay, so let me find my agenda.

2319
01:44:18,905 --> 01:44:23,805
So the next public hearing is KAA Realty Trust.

2320
01:44:25,195 --> 01:44:28,965
Some long roman numeral that I won't try to decode

2321
01:44:29,905 --> 01:44:34,125
for PID 3 6 0 1 7 1 57

2322
01:44:34,235 --> 01:44:35,245
Crystal Avenue.

2323
01:44:36,635 --> 01:44:40,085
Okay, thank you. So this proposal is for the redevelopment

2324
01:44:40,085 --> 01:44:42,685
of a one story former bank building with a drive through.

2325
01:44:43,105 --> 01:44:46,165
The intent is to convert a two tenant is

2326
01:44:46,165 --> 01:44:48,445
to convert the former Bank

2327
01:44:48,445 --> 01:44:51,365
of America building into a two-ten building containing

2328
01:44:51,475 --> 01:44:54,765
Santander Bank, which will retain the drive through

2329
01:44:54,765 --> 01:44:57,445
for ATM use and a Qdoba restaurant.

2330
01:44:58,145 --> 01:45:00,685
The square footage will remain the same with no additions.

2331
01:45:00,965 --> 01:45:04,205
Proposed Qdoba will add a small outdoor patio in a

2332
01:45:04,205 --> 01:45:05,645
former green space area.

2333
01:45:06,185 --> 01:45:08,925
The lot is serviced by municipal water and sewer

2334
01:45:08,925 --> 01:45:11,205
and the project will add underground propane tanks.

2335
01:45:11,705 --> 01:45:13,565
The parking lot has been reconfigured

2336
01:45:13,565 --> 01:45:16,005
to add spaces on the south side of the parking lot

2337
01:45:16,025 --> 01:45:18,685
and spaces were removed to the north side in the middle

2338
01:45:18,745 --> 01:45:19,805
to accommodate the exit.

2339
01:45:19,805 --> 01:45:22,005
Four. A project in a DA requirements

2340
01:45:22,875 --> 01:45:24,645
fire lanes have been added to the plan

2341
01:45:24,745 --> 01:45:26,285
and sidewalks will be restored.

2342
01:45:26,755 --> 01:45:28,405
Parking appears to be adequate

2343
01:45:28,405 --> 01:45:30,645
for the current uses proposed on site.

2344
01:45:31,305 --> 01:45:34,045
The main access point to the site is from Crystal Ave.

2345
01:45:34,385 --> 01:45:37,085
The existing condition is being slightly amended

2346
01:45:37,085 --> 01:45:38,885
to narrow the entrance and exit points

2347
01:45:38,885 --> 01:45:41,245
to avoid traffic conflicts on Crystal Avenue.

2348
01:45:41,945 --> 01:45:44,445
The site will be accessed from Crystal via a

2349
01:45:44,445 --> 01:45:45,485
right in and a right out.

2350
01:45:45,485 --> 01:45:47,045
Only access to

2351
01:45:47,045 --> 01:45:49,525
and from the site is also available from the backside

2352
01:45:49,525 --> 01:45:51,885
of the property adjacent to Citizens Bank.

2353
01:45:52,765 --> 01:45:54,565
A landscape plan has been provided.

2354
01:45:54,745 --> 01:45:57,125
The existing site would not meet today's landscape

2355
01:45:57,125 --> 01:45:59,925
requirements, but the design team has added green space,

2356
01:45:59,975 --> 01:46:01,685
trees and shrubs where they could.

2357
01:46:02,445 --> 01:46:05,765
A DRE screen dumpster is proposed in the southeast portion

2358
01:46:05,785 --> 01:46:08,165
of the lot, which does not meet the setback requirement.

2359
01:46:08,165 --> 01:46:09,805
Therefore, a waiver has been requested.

2360
01:46:10,545 --> 01:46:12,885
The sign location will not change from the existing

2361
01:46:12,945 --> 01:46:14,965
and facsimiles have been proposed and

2362
01:46:15,165 --> 01:46:18,085
provided in your packet where the properties located

2363
01:46:18,085 --> 01:46:19,285
in the GC district.

2364
01:46:19,405 --> 01:46:21,925
The planning board review of the architectural design

2365
01:46:21,925 --> 01:46:22,925
for the building signage

2366
01:46:22,925 --> 01:46:24,645
and facade changes would be at a medium

2367
01:46:24,715 --> 01:46:25,885
high level of compliance.

2368
01:46:26,725 --> 01:46:29,445
A stormwater memo is included in the application package

2369
01:46:29,625 --> 01:46:31,725
and the current plan does not meet requirements

2370
01:46:32,525 --> 01:46:33,845
and a waiver has been requested.

2371
01:46:33,845 --> 01:46:37,725
However, they are reducing the impervious area on site in

2372
01:46:37,805 --> 01:46:40,045
lessening the total runoff by 2.9%.

2373
01:46:41,125 --> 01:46:44,005
A traffic memo is included with the submittal documents

2374
01:46:44,105 --> 01:46:45,965
and per the trip generation summary.

2375
01:46:46,115 --> 01:46:51,085
This project will generate 1,386 vehicle trips per day on a

2376
01:46:51,085 --> 01:46:55,885
weekday and 1,536 vehicle trips per day on a Saturday.

2377
01:46:56,855 --> 01:46:58,645
Staff reviewed the accident reports

2378
01:46:58,705 --> 01:47:00,805
for this area spanning a five year period

2379
01:47:01,165 --> 01:47:02,325
provided by the police department.

2380
01:47:02,615 --> 01:47:05,445
There was only one serious accident resulting in a serious

2381
01:47:05,745 --> 01:47:07,965
injury in disabling damage to the vehicle

2382
01:47:09,105 --> 01:47:12,525
and that actually came out from Crystal from Hood Commons.

2383
01:47:12,585 --> 01:47:16,405
Not this lot. The 11 remaining accidents consisted of angle,

2384
01:47:16,685 --> 01:47:19,045
T-bones and sideswipes with no serious injuries.

2385
01:47:19,785 --> 01:47:21,125
Finess Associates, Inc.

2386
01:47:21,185 --> 01:47:23,885
On behalf of Gale Associates, reviewed the traffic summary

2387
01:47:24,025 --> 01:47:27,405
and observed that 30% of the trips will likely be passed bys

2388
01:47:27,785 --> 01:47:29,605
or motorists that are already in the area.

2389
01:47:29,745 --> 01:47:31,845
And that impacts to Crystal Ave will be limited

2390
01:47:33,275 --> 01:47:36,525
because of the restricted right in and right out.

2391
01:47:37,185 --> 01:47:38,725
And some of the traffic will divert

2392
01:47:38,725 --> 01:47:40,365
through Hood Commons to Pinkerton Street.

2393
01:47:42,545 --> 01:47:46,325
And the plan does have 35 spaces on it.

2394
01:47:46,985 --> 01:47:50,605
The VNAs report noted a shortage of seven.

2395
01:47:50,675 --> 01:47:53,005
They missed some of those spaces on the plan.

2396
01:47:54,345 --> 01:47:55,725
The DOT project area

2397
01:47:55,865 --> 01:47:59,045
for exit four A is being depicted on the site plan sheet.

2398
01:47:59,185 --> 01:48:01,965
New Hampshire DOT has no issues with the proposed work.

2399
01:48:02,685 --> 01:48:05,525
GPI has discussed the project with Wendy Johnson

2400
01:48:05,665 --> 01:48:08,685
and Jay Levine of New Hampshire, DOT, who requested a copy

2401
01:48:08,685 --> 01:48:10,285
of the approved plan for their records.

2402
01:48:11,545 --> 01:48:13,685
The applicant is requesting six waivers.

2403
01:48:14,165 --> 01:48:17,005
I would note that this is a redevelopment site with a lot

2404
01:48:17,005 --> 01:48:18,605
of constraints, which does make it harder

2405
01:48:18,625 --> 01:48:19,885
to meet the requirements.

2406
01:48:21,625 --> 01:48:24,645
The location of the water connection on Crystal Avenue is

2407
01:48:24,645 --> 01:48:27,565
unknown at this time and will require further investigation.

2408
01:48:28,065 --> 01:48:30,485
The design team has been working with the water department

2409
01:48:30,665 --> 01:48:34,205
and the location of the dumpster as depicted on the plan,

2410
01:48:34,375 --> 01:48:37,365
might impede access to the two future ATM lanes.

2411
01:48:37,945 --> 01:48:40,005
So the board is being asked to look at that.

2412
01:48:40,815 --> 01:48:43,765
Staff anticipates potential queuing within the site is

2413
01:48:43,835 --> 01:48:46,765
patrons exit onto Crystal Ave when traffic stopped at the

2414
01:48:46,765 --> 01:48:48,965
intersection waiting to turn right on Shani.

2415
01:48:50,145 --> 01:48:52,365
You know we all sit through those lights sometimes.

2416
01:48:52,465 --> 01:48:54,485
We know that it's just you had to wait for the light to turn

2417
01:48:54,485 --> 01:48:56,125
and, but there will be some queuing there.

2418
01:48:56,785 --> 01:48:59,285
The lighting plan appears to be adequate

2419
01:48:59,285 --> 01:49:00,325
for the commercial site.

2420
01:49:01,145 --> 01:49:04,365
It does appear to be overly bright at the property line.

2421
01:49:04,385 --> 01:49:07,245
So if the board could look at that, you do have a list

2422
01:49:07,265 --> 01:49:08,365
of the six waivers.

2423
01:49:08,685 --> 01:49:10,485
They will need a sewer connection permit

2424
01:49:11,305 --> 01:49:12,565
and the request would be

2425
01:49:12,565 --> 01:49:14,205
to review the site plan as proposed.

2426
01:49:14,205 --> 01:49:16,725
Determine regional impact review the side

2427
01:49:16,785 --> 01:49:18,325
and the facade renderings.

2428
01:49:19,055 --> 01:49:23,365
Chris Tamla of GPI is presenting. Bob Bollinger is here.

2429
01:49:23,505 --> 01:49:26,525
And Greg Nolan from kaa.

2430
01:49:26,815 --> 01:49:30,445
Great. And what is the board's pleasure on jurisdiction?

2431
01:49:31,715 --> 01:49:32,965
Move to accept jurisdiction.

2432
01:49:34,185 --> 01:49:36,165
You gotta read the Oh, John, go ahead. I

2433
01:49:36,165 --> 01:49:38,685
Don't have, I don't have the paper.

2434
01:49:39,195 --> 01:49:40,485
He's got the paper right in front of him.

2435
01:49:41,355 --> 01:49:43,525
Move to accept jurisdiction of the site plan

2436
01:49:43,525 --> 01:49:45,805
before the board for Kafu.

2437
01:49:46,305 --> 01:49:50,565
Did I say that right? PID 3 6 0 1 7 dash

2438
01:49:50,755 --> 01:49:53,805
0 1 57. Crystal Avenue

2439
01:49:54,265 --> 01:49:55,265
Second.

2440
01:49:55,265 --> 01:49:56,805
Okay. Moved by O'Connor, seconded by

2441
01:49:57,325 --> 01:49:58,485
Malibu to accept jurisdiction.

2442
01:49:58,665 --> 01:50:02,845
Any discussion Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini?

2443
01:50:02,845 --> 01:50:06,685
Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Palantier?

2444
01:50:06,745 --> 01:50:10,445
Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. And the chair votes? Yes.

2445
01:50:11,065 --> 01:50:13,045
And on the determination of regional impact,

2446
01:50:13,385 --> 01:50:14,385
Mr.

2447
01:50:14,385 --> 01:50:17,285
Chair, pursuant to RSA 36 CO 56,

2448
01:50:17,385 --> 01:50:18,645
the board finds the proposal

2449
01:50:18,785 --> 01:50:21,245
as presented at this time meets the definition

2450
01:50:21,305 --> 01:50:24,085
of a development of regional impact. Second,

2451
01:50:24,815 --> 01:50:26,565
Moved by O counter, seconded by Malibu

2452
01:50:26,565 --> 01:50:30,645
to find jurisdiction, I mean regional impact. Mr. Chase?

2453
01:50:31,585 --> 01:50:35,485
No, this is a small re reuse

2454
01:50:35,505 --> 01:50:40,005
of an existing building with no major site work to be done.

2455
01:50:40,005 --> 01:50:42,165
Therefore, it does not meet the definition

2456
01:50:42,165 --> 01:50:43,165
of regional impact.

2457
01:50:43,555 --> 01:50:46,925
Okay. Great. Mr. Young, Same reasons

2458
01:50:47,625 --> 01:50:48,525
Mr. Menini?

2459
01:50:48,825 --> 01:50:50,765
No. For the same reasons. Mr. O'Connor?

2460
01:50:51,065 --> 01:50:52,445
No. For the same reasons. Mr.

2461
01:50:52,445 --> 01:50:55,605
Fisherman? No. Mr. No.

2462
01:50:55,605 --> 01:50:58,605
For the same reasons. Mr. Ello? Nope. Mr. Maldy? No.

2463
01:50:58,605 --> 01:51:00,965
For the same reasons. Chair votes? No for the same reason.

2464
01:51:02,025 --> 01:51:04,685
Can we have a motion to open, open a public hearing?

2465
01:51:05,105 --> 01:51:06,645
So moved Mr. Chair. Second.

2466
01:51:06,655 --> 01:51:08,605
Moved and seconded to open the public hearing.

2467
01:51:08,625 --> 01:51:11,285
All those in favor to say aye. Aye. Public hearing is open.

2468
01:51:11,845 --> 01:51:14,005
Please give us your opening statements. Great,

2469
01:51:14,285 --> 01:51:15,285
Thank you Mr.

2470
01:51:15,285 --> 01:51:17,085
Chairman, members of the board for the record. Chris Mula.

2471
01:51:17,085 --> 01:51:18,125
I'm a professional engineer

2472
01:51:18,125 --> 01:51:20,885
with Green New Peterson here on behalf of Food Realty.

2473
01:51:21,405 --> 01:51:23,485
Sometimes I debate even doing a presentation

2474
01:51:23,685 --> 01:51:26,005
'cause Liz essentially steals my thunder every single time.

2475
01:51:26,065 --> 01:51:27,165
But it is what it is.

2476
01:51:27,645 --> 01:51:29,965
With me tonight is obviously Greg Nolan from Food Realty

2477
01:51:30,025 --> 01:51:31,605
and Robert Bollinger our,

2478
01:51:31,605 --> 01:51:33,645
our traffic consultant on the project.

2479
01:51:34,245 --> 01:51:35,605
So what I'd like to do is just kind of go through

2480
01:51:36,285 --> 01:51:37,725
existing conditions, up through sort

2481
01:51:37,725 --> 01:51:39,325
of the landscaping grading and stuff like that

2482
01:51:39,325 --> 01:51:41,085
and kind of go through the meat and potatoes of the project.

2483
01:51:41,865 --> 01:51:43,405
So if you can go back two slides

2484
01:51:43,465 --> 01:51:44,805
to the existing conditions please.

2485
01:51:52,175 --> 01:51:56,445
Great, thank you. So obviously what we're looking at is the,

2486
01:51:56,765 --> 01:51:59,765
the former Bank of America site at 57 Crystal Ave.

2487
01:52:00,025 --> 01:52:03,325
You can see that the, the existing building is essentially

2488
01:52:03,715 --> 01:52:06,005
generally located in the middle of the lot.

2489
01:52:06,755 --> 01:52:10,565
It's surrounded by parking drive aisles. As Liz mentioned.

2490
01:52:10,585 --> 01:52:13,725
We have a right in right out access point along Crystal Ave.

2491
01:52:14,365 --> 01:52:16,845
And there's also a full access driveway

2492
01:52:17,865 --> 01:52:19,565
to Hood Commons in the rear.

2493
01:52:21,505 --> 01:52:23,005
The building, as Liz mentioned,

2494
01:52:23,035 --> 01:52:25,845
it's about a 5400 5400 square foot building.

2495
01:52:26,895 --> 01:52:28,965
There are four pickup lanes in the rear,

2496
01:52:29,905 --> 01:52:32,125
and circulation is generally in a counterclockwise

2497
01:52:32,485 --> 01:52:33,765
manner throughout the site.

2498
01:52:35,115 --> 01:52:40,085
Next slide please. This is just basically an overall site

2499
01:52:40,085 --> 01:52:43,565
plan showing the development itself, hook commas

2500
01:52:43,565 --> 01:52:48,525
to the right five guys to the North Sunoco to the

2501
01:52:48,785 --> 01:52:51,605
to the west, and then the rest of Hood Plaza

2502
01:52:52,005 --> 01:52:53,085
to the south of that as well.

2503
01:52:54,565 --> 01:52:59,325
Next slide. So the, the demolition plan,

2504
01:52:59,565 --> 01:53:01,045
basically the, the intent of this plan is

2505
01:53:01,045 --> 01:53:03,925
to really kinda show the, where the saw cuts and the,

2506
01:53:03,925 --> 01:53:05,045
and the ea and the,

2507
01:53:05,505 --> 01:53:08,125
the onsite site improvements are on the ro.

2508
01:53:08,145 --> 01:53:09,445
The lower right hand side is

2509
01:53:09,445 --> 01:53:11,885
where the proposed dumpster enclosure will be.

2510
01:53:12,785 --> 01:53:15,605
On the lower left hand side of the building is where the,

2511
01:53:15,785 --> 01:53:17,765
the water and the sewer connections are going to be.

2512
01:53:18,225 --> 01:53:20,845
And then you can see the dash lines along the left hand side

2513
01:53:20,845 --> 01:53:22,485
where the parking lot is, is

2514
01:53:22,485 --> 01:53:24,885
where we're actually reducing the width of the parking lot

2515
01:53:25,505 --> 01:53:26,965
to increase green space,

2516
01:53:27,145 --> 01:53:30,685
but still comply with the overall parking requirements,

2517
01:53:30,685 --> 01:53:32,205
drive aisles and parking spaces.

2518
01:53:35,035 --> 01:53:36,925
Next slide please. Oh yeah, next slide. Thank you.

2519
01:53:39,145 --> 01:53:41,485
So the, the redevelopment project was,

2520
01:53:41,945 --> 01:53:45,325
was initially minor site work with the majority of the site,

2521
01:53:45,325 --> 01:53:46,525
work with the majority of the work,

2522
01:53:46,525 --> 01:53:48,485
looking at the interior remodel of the building.

2523
01:53:49,325 --> 01:53:51,605
However, based on common during the TRC process,

2524
01:53:52,505 --> 01:53:54,285
the additional site changes have been incorporated in,

2525
01:53:54,285 --> 01:53:56,605
in the current plans, which include expansion

2526
01:53:56,605 --> 01:53:59,125
of the parking, the green space and everything.

2527
01:53:59,125 --> 01:54:02,885
I'll kind of go through, as Liz mentioned,

2528
01:54:03,045 --> 01:54:06,525
the building would be split into Santa Santander bank

2529
01:54:07,165 --> 01:54:09,125
with the drive through as well

2530
01:54:09,125 --> 01:54:10,725
as the Qdoba sit down restaurant.

2531
01:54:11,605 --> 01:54:13,365
The front parking lot will be res stripped

2532
01:54:14,025 --> 01:54:16,125
and even reduced in size, like I mentioned, to comply

2533
01:54:16,125 --> 01:54:18,645
with the 10 foot parking setback required

2534
01:54:18,975 --> 01:54:20,005
along the property line.

2535
01:54:23,425 --> 01:54:25,925
The front parking meets the tower requirements

2536
01:54:25,985 --> 01:54:30,125
for stall size drive aisle with a DA access

2537
01:54:30,785 --> 01:54:33,725
to Crystal Ave, while maintaining the same access along

2538
01:54:33,725 --> 01:54:36,445
Crystal Ave in the same counterclockwise

2539
01:54:37,035 --> 01:54:38,365
circulation around the site.

2540
01:54:39,545 --> 01:54:42,325
The, the drive through area has been reduced from four lanes

2541
01:54:42,325 --> 01:54:45,445
down to two with the potential to expand for future use

2542
01:54:47,475 --> 01:54:50,485
with the DOT use, which is shown in red on the plan.

2543
01:54:51,345 --> 01:54:54,085
As Liz mentioned as well, we did meet with DOT

2544
01:54:54,655 --> 01:54:57,085
about a month ago and we want

2545
01:54:57,085 --> 01:55:01,285
to discuss the project overall timing, the driveways

2546
01:55:01,285 --> 01:55:03,845
and changes and overall DUT was amenable to the plans,

2547
01:55:04,525 --> 01:55:06,765
willing to work with the applicant as well as the contractor

2548
01:55:07,325 --> 01:55:08,725
once site construction begins.

2549
01:55:10,305 --> 01:55:13,005
In addition to the, the front parking,

2550
01:55:14,185 --> 01:55:15,725
we also show the new fence dumpster,

2551
01:55:15,725 --> 01:55:18,285
which is in the lower right hand corner of the plan.

2552
01:55:18,865 --> 01:55:20,405
We have new LED pole lights.

2553
01:55:21,105 --> 01:55:23,285
The outside patio area is on the lower left hand

2554
01:55:23,285 --> 01:55:24,325
side of the front of the building.

2555
01:55:25,325 --> 01:55:28,525
We've added snow storage, increased green space and

2556
01:55:28,805 --> 01:55:30,925
provided way finding signs throughout the site.

2557
01:55:31,265 --> 01:55:34,125
In the event that the traffic along Crystal lab

2558
01:55:34,485 --> 01:55:35,965
basically blocks the driveways.

2559
01:55:36,455 --> 01:55:39,565
It'll provide some way finding signs to essentially direct

2560
01:55:40,405 --> 01:55:41,765
customers to the back of the site, to the back

2561
01:55:41,765 --> 01:55:43,805
of the driveway and how to ultimately get out

2562
01:55:43,805 --> 01:55:45,125
to Crystal a and ine.

2563
01:55:45,425 --> 01:55:46,645
But obviously somebody going there

2564
01:55:46,645 --> 01:55:48,405
after a while, they're gonna kinda understand

2565
01:55:48,405 --> 01:55:49,845
what the site is, is doing.

2566
01:55:49,845 --> 01:55:53,325
Anyway, next, next slide please.

2567
01:55:56,795 --> 01:56:00,565
Yeah, so on a grad utility plan we've identified basically

2568
01:56:00,565 --> 01:56:01,565
with a new water

2569
01:56:01,585 --> 01:56:03,245
and the sewer are again on the lower

2570
01:56:03,245 --> 01:56:04,405
left hand side of the building.

2571
01:56:05,605 --> 01:56:09,085
We have a new exterior grease trap on the upper side

2572
01:56:09,085 --> 01:56:11,325
of the building on the opposite side of the driveway.

2573
01:56:11,325 --> 01:56:13,685
We have some underground liquid propane tanks.

2574
01:56:14,865 --> 01:56:16,525
We have a roach controls throughout the site

2575
01:56:16,525 --> 01:56:20,485
and Spock grad based on the location of the traction closure

2576
01:56:20,585 --> 01:56:23,325
as well as the the new parking lot in the front of the site.

2577
01:56:25,035 --> 01:56:28,725
Next slide. This is our landscaping plan.

2578
01:56:28,785 --> 01:56:30,765
So again, what we've tried to do is we've tried to comply

2579
01:56:30,765 --> 01:56:32,245
with the landscaping as best possible,

2580
01:56:32,805 --> 01:56:35,125
obviously there's a lot of street existing trees along the,

2581
01:56:35,545 --> 01:56:38,525
the bottom portion of the plan, there are some ex

2582
01:56:39,565 --> 01:56:41,045
existing trees on the top portion of the plan.

2583
01:56:42,095 --> 01:56:43,965
We've added some street trees along the front.

2584
01:56:43,965 --> 01:56:46,565
We've added some landscaping islands and we've,

2585
01:56:46,565 --> 01:56:48,405
and again, we've all increased the,

2586
01:56:48,645 --> 01:56:50,045
the green space on the outer limits

2587
01:56:50,145 --> 01:56:52,005
of the, of the parking itself.

2588
01:56:53,225 --> 01:56:55,365
And anywhere that there's, that, there's disturbed areas,

2589
01:56:55,685 --> 01:56:58,445
there'll be lowing seed for final construction.

2590
01:57:01,365 --> 01:57:04,565
Probably skip a couple sheets to the truck turn plan please.

2591
01:57:05,585 --> 01:57:09,485
Yep. Thank you. So what this plan depicts it shows that the,

2592
01:57:09,765 --> 01:57:11,165
the dairy fire truck can get in

2593
01:57:11,165 --> 01:57:14,085
and outta the site without going through parking spaces

2594
01:57:14,265 --> 01:57:16,485
and easily get in and out of the, the right in

2595
01:57:16,485 --> 01:57:19,045
and right out curb cut that is proposed and,

2596
01:57:19,065 --> 01:57:20,325
and actually existing there today.

2597
01:57:21,595 --> 01:57:24,525
Next sheet. And this is our lighting plan.

2598
01:57:25,545 --> 01:57:28,085
So essentially the, the, the lighting has been designed

2599
01:57:28,145 --> 01:57:30,725
to replace old light poles that are there today.

2600
01:57:30,975 --> 01:57:33,165
We've actually removed some of the light poles that are

2601
01:57:33,165 --> 01:57:36,245
where the proposed underground propane tanks are.

2602
01:57:36,725 --> 01:57:40,165
They'll all be LED down, down downward facing

2603
01:57:41,135 --> 01:57:42,885
light poles and fit fixtures.

2604
01:57:43,545 --> 01:57:45,765
We can further look at the, the light intensity,

2605
01:57:45,905 --> 01:57:48,805
but we feel that the overall light intensity is round a half

2606
01:57:48,805 --> 01:57:50,725
a foot candle to a foot candle at the property lines.

2607
01:57:50,985 --> 01:57:52,925
So we do, we do feel that it's adequate,

2608
01:57:53,105 --> 01:57:54,325
but we can re revisit that

2609
01:57:54,325 --> 01:57:55,965
and see if we can reduce those further.

2610
01:57:57,705 --> 01:58:00,445
And then if you just want to jump a couple head One more.

2611
01:58:00,545 --> 01:58:02,525
Yep. So then what this is,

2612
01:58:02,765 --> 01:58:03,685
this is basically the exterior

2613
01:58:03,685 --> 01:58:05,365
elevations, the front view of the site.

2614
01:58:06,145 --> 01:58:08,445
You can see on the upper right hand side

2615
01:58:08,445 --> 01:58:10,645
where the existing building is, is shown today.

2616
01:58:11,205 --> 01:58:14,085
There's not a lot of windows and, and, and glass out there.

2617
01:58:14,905 --> 01:58:16,925
The low, the the top left building,

2618
01:58:17,545 --> 01:58:19,725
it basically shows the new color scheme,

2619
01:58:20,355 --> 01:58:22,045
some added architectural design

2620
01:58:22,045 --> 01:58:23,205
elements on top of the building.

2621
01:58:23,545 --> 01:58:25,805
So the actual roof is actually being raised up slightly

2622
01:58:25,835 --> 01:58:30,685
with some, some new cornice and new trim Qdoba sign and,

2623
01:58:30,745 --> 01:58:31,845
and the Santander sign

2624
01:58:31,845 --> 01:58:33,885
and the color palette for, for both will be

2625
01:58:34,565 --> 01:58:35,725
maintained as part of this development.

2626
01:58:38,025 --> 01:58:39,925
In addition to the plans, like Liz said, we did,

2627
01:58:39,985 --> 01:58:42,445
we do have some wave requests I can get into them if the

2628
01:58:42,445 --> 01:58:45,325
board so chooses outta the six wave requests.

2629
01:58:45,725 --> 01:58:48,165
Four of 'em are really dependent on the existing site

2630
01:58:48,165 --> 01:58:50,125
constraints that are, that are there today.

2631
01:58:51,025 --> 01:58:54,685
The two new ones are the, again, the, the dumpster location,

2632
01:58:55,145 --> 01:58:57,445
the wave request for location of that, as well as the,

2633
01:58:57,985 --> 01:59:00,885
the storm water, not providing a full stormwater report,

2634
01:59:01,065 --> 01:59:03,485
but we do have a decrease in overall imper coverage.

2635
01:59:03,485 --> 01:59:05,565
So therefore there, there will be ultimately a,

2636
01:59:05,645 --> 01:59:09,605
a decrease in, in stormwater run, leaving, leaving the site.

2637
01:59:11,325 --> 01:59:13,625
Lastly, lake List said we did receive comments from

2638
01:59:13,705 --> 01:59:15,065
VI from a traffic point of view.

2639
01:59:15,235 --> 01:59:17,505
Again, Bob is here from our traffic point of view.

2640
01:59:17,765 --> 01:59:19,465
We can get into it if the board feels,

2641
01:59:19,485 --> 01:59:22,145
but we overall have no general concern or comments

2642
01:59:22,525 --> 01:59:23,545
and we'll, we can address those

2643
01:59:23,545 --> 01:59:25,465
items as part of the approvals.

2644
01:59:26,855 --> 01:59:28,425
With that, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

2645
01:59:29,525 --> 01:59:32,625
So I have a curiosity question.

2646
01:59:33,025 --> 01:59:34,065
Oh, you know, an app in curiosity,

2647
01:59:35,005 --> 01:59:39,945
So I'm looking at sheet a 1.0 in terms of how the,

2648
01:59:40,005 --> 01:59:42,225
the space is divided between the two tenants.

2649
01:59:42,645 --> 01:59:44,425
One of them is proposed to be a bank

2650
01:59:45,845 --> 01:59:48,425
and you're proposing to remove both of the vaults

2651
01:59:48,425 --> 01:59:49,465
that are currently in that building.

2652
01:59:50,065 --> 01:59:52,145
I guess that's why I have my cl my my client here

2653
01:59:52,145 --> 01:59:54,065
Because you may not know that, but Correct.

2654
01:59:54,325 --> 01:59:56,025
One of them was originally dairy bank

2655
01:59:56,025 --> 01:59:58,785
and trust back in the day, the first bank I ever dealt with.

2656
01:59:59,165 --> 02:00:00,505
And the other one was a savings bank.

2657
02:00:00,505 --> 02:00:03,065
The reason there's two vaults in that building,

2658
02:00:03,095 --> 02:00:05,425
it's originally hosed two different banks.

2659
02:00:06,145 --> 02:00:09,105
Interesting. Seems a shame if the bank

2660
02:00:09,105 --> 02:00:10,185
needs a vault to rip it out.

2661
02:00:10,205 --> 02:00:11,545
But I'm just, just curious.

2662
02:00:12,015 --> 02:00:14,545
Dave wants to know for dairy, historic reasons

2663
02:00:17,405 --> 02:00:19,105
Not there's any money in there.

2664
02:00:20,085 --> 02:00:21,225
And check for money for

2665
02:00:21,225 --> 02:00:22,225
The record.

2666
02:00:22,225 --> 02:00:23,545
Greg Nolan with Kafu Realty.

2667
02:00:24,415 --> 02:00:27,265
Yeah, there's two vaults in the, there is, yes.

2668
02:00:27,645 --> 02:00:28,985
We, we intend to remove them.

2669
02:00:29,375 --> 02:00:30,985
Okay. Sand, air doesn't want one.

2670
02:00:31,535 --> 02:00:33,545
They don't, I wish they did 'cause they're not cheap

2671
02:00:33,685 --> 02:00:34,685
To remove their own.

2672
02:00:34,685 --> 02:00:35,585
I I I'm gonna answer it.

2673
02:00:35,725 --> 02:00:37,265
Not cheap to remove, but, okay, cool.

2674
02:00:37,635 --> 02:00:41,625
Thank you for, for answering that item of, of curiosity.

2675
02:00:43,235 --> 02:00:44,545
Other questions from the board?

2676
02:00:45,265 --> 02:00:47,065
I do. Mr. Churchill. Yeah.

2677
02:00:47,065 --> 02:00:48,905
Thank you Mr. Chairman, I've got a couple of questions.

2678
02:00:48,905 --> 02:00:50,945
So first one will be the dumpster.

2679
02:00:51,965 --> 02:00:53,625
Is that, is that fenced in?

2680
02:00:53,845 --> 02:00:56,225
So it's on, it's not out in the open.

2681
02:00:56,485 --> 02:00:57,625
It is, yes. Okay.

2682
02:00:57,625 --> 02:00:59,265
And where did you say that location was again?

2683
02:00:59,265 --> 02:01:01,945
So that is the low, so basically plan view the lower right

2684
02:01:01,945 --> 02:01:03,425
hand side of the, of the site.

2685
02:01:03,485 --> 02:01:04,625
So basically there, it, it's,

2686
02:01:04,625 --> 02:01:06,345
it's fitting into the existing Okay.

2687
02:01:06,635 --> 02:01:08,065
Drive out of that's there today. All right,

2688
02:01:08,065 --> 02:01:09,065
Perfect.

2689
02:01:10,205 --> 02:01:11,905
The, on the, in the front of the building

2690
02:01:12,355 --> 02:01:14,945
where the line stripes are, is that an island

2691
02:01:15,005 --> 02:01:16,345
or is that just painted stripes?

2692
02:01:16,345 --> 02:01:17,825
It's, it's all painted stripes. Okay.

2693
02:01:17,825 --> 02:01:20,745
So basically the reason for that is basically the, the,

2694
02:01:20,745 --> 02:01:23,345
the stormwater runoff currently sheet folds across the site.

2695
02:01:23,345 --> 02:01:25,745
Yep. So if we add any landscaping, any raised beds

2696
02:01:25,745 --> 02:01:27,825
or anything like that, you're going to impede the, the Yeah.

2697
02:01:27,825 --> 02:01:29,225
The stormwater runoff and there's no,

2698
02:01:29,225 --> 02:01:30,585
there's no catch basins in the area,

2699
02:01:30,645 --> 02:01:32,185
so there's no way further runoff to go.

2700
02:01:32,655 --> 02:01:34,905
Okay. Will the, I,

2701
02:01:35,025 --> 02:01:36,705
I know the banks got the drive throughs,

2702
02:01:36,705 --> 02:01:38,785
but will the, will Cordoba have drive through?

2703
02:01:39,065 --> 02:01:41,005
No, no, no drive through. Okay.

2704
02:01:44,145 --> 02:01:46,445
Is there any street signs?

2705
02:01:47,175 --> 02:01:49,245
There is an existing freestanding sign.

2706
02:01:49,945 --> 02:01:51,925
So top left hand corner of the site,

2707
02:01:52,325 --> 02:01:53,645
there's an existing sign that's there today.

2708
02:01:53,645 --> 02:01:56,405
It's just being reface with, with the new branding.

2709
02:01:56,915 --> 02:01:58,485
Okay. 'cause you had two businesses.

2710
02:01:58,585 --> 02:02:00,725
So will the, will the sign size increase or

2711
02:02:00,825 --> 02:02:02,885
The sign the sign will Not increase Same size?

2712
02:02:02,885 --> 02:02:06,205
Yep. Okay. And that's already been relocated

2713
02:02:06,265 --> 02:02:07,565
for the, for a project, right?

2714
02:02:07,565 --> 02:02:09,045
Exactly. As part of the DOT work,

2715
02:02:09,045 --> 02:02:11,085
they had actually already gone ahead and moved the sign

2716
02:02:11,525 --> 02:02:14,005
because DOT is doing the road roadway widening

2717
02:02:14,075 --> 02:02:16,325
that will encroach partially on the property.

2718
02:02:16,355 --> 02:02:17,645
Yeah. So they want to make sure

2719
02:02:17,645 --> 02:02:19,525
that the sign is pushed back far enough.

2720
02:02:19,555 --> 02:02:20,845
Okay. And luckily,

2721
02:02:21,085 --> 02:02:23,325
I guess the sign is actually far enough back

2722
02:02:23,325 --> 02:02:24,885
that it, that it meets zoning. Oh

2723
02:02:24,885 --> 02:02:25,885
Good.

2724
02:02:25,885 --> 02:02:28,525
Okay. And then it looks like you've got a little bit of

2725
02:02:28,595 --> 02:02:30,925
outside seating for the restaurant, correct.

2726
02:02:31,315 --> 02:02:32,885
What is that like three tables? Yep,

2727
02:02:32,885 --> 02:02:33,885
That's three tables, yes.

2728
02:02:34,315 --> 02:02:37,205
Okay. It's essentially seasonal. Seasonal

2729
02:02:37,205 --> 02:02:38,205
Tables.

2730
02:02:38,205 --> 02:02:39,165
Okay. And then I just have a weird question.

2731
02:02:39,565 --> 02:02:43,285
I don't know, can you go to the overlook,

2732
02:02:43,305 --> 02:02:45,005
the over actual overhead view?

2733
02:02:46,105 --> 02:02:50,805
I'm just curious as to that'd be page,

2734
02:02:50,905 --> 02:02:52,325
the colored aerial photo.

2735
02:02:52,515 --> 02:02:55,645
It's the aerial, yeah. From the top. So it's, there you go.

2736
02:02:56,195 --> 02:02:58,405
Okay. So I see where the lot lines are,

2737
02:02:59,225 --> 02:03:01,285
but what's, there's a lot behind that

2738
02:03:02,115 --> 02:03:04,205
with extra parking spots. Who owns

2739
02:03:04,205 --> 02:03:05,205
That?

2740
02:03:05,205 --> 02:03:06,405
That that's all part of the Hood Hood Garins Plaza.

2741
02:03:07,385 --> 02:03:09,325
So, so the Plaza owners own that

2742
02:03:09,565 --> 02:03:13,045
because I, I mean I frequent that area quite a bit

2743
02:03:14,025 --> 02:03:16,605
and no one, no one really uses it.

2744
02:03:16,955 --> 02:03:19,645
Sometimes Tractor Supply puts trailers there.

2745
02:03:20,025 --> 02:03:22,285
Oh, okay. And there is a, they have trailer.

2746
02:03:22,425 --> 02:03:23,965
I'm sorry, there's an ATM in there, right?

2747
02:03:24,555 --> 02:03:26,805
Well there is, but, and the paving's horrible, but,

2748
02:03:26,825 --> 02:03:30,925
but their trailers are usually closer to the store.

2749
02:03:31,715 --> 02:03:34,445
They also store the snow removal equipment there too.

2750
02:03:34,465 --> 02:03:36,125
All snow usually goes there. Yeah. Yeah.

2751
02:03:36,125 --> 02:03:37,365
That's true. Okay. Alright.

2752
02:03:37,405 --> 02:03:39,685
I was just, so based on our survey, that area is owned

2753
02:03:39,685 --> 02:03:40,765
by Hood Commons, LC.

2754
02:03:41,555 --> 02:03:44,165
Okay. Alright. I was just curious on that. Thank you.

2755
02:03:45,305 --> 02:03:47,405
That's what Mr. Ozzy?

2756
02:03:47,465 --> 02:03:50,765
Yes. Can I piggyback off Mr. Ello with the signage?

2757
02:03:51,375 --> 02:03:52,645
Stick to this map please.

2758
02:03:55,355 --> 02:03:57,485
There's a little boy I wish I could get.

2759
02:03:57,485 --> 02:04:00,325
He, he asked could you go over to where the parking lot is,

2760
02:04:00,905 --> 02:04:02,045
the bigger parking lot that Mr.

2761
02:04:02,105 --> 02:04:03,725
Yes. Right over there. That line right there.

2762
02:04:04,035 --> 02:04:07,965
Will you there be a signage there that says either exit

2763
02:04:08,465 --> 02:04:11,685
or enter only or will people be able to come in

2764
02:04:11,745 --> 02:04:13,005
and come in out of that Right

2765
02:04:13,005 --> 02:04:14,325
where his arrow is? Either one. Yeah.

2766
02:04:14,585 --> 02:04:16,325
So, so that area where the arrow is, right,

2767
02:04:16,455 --> 02:04:18,805
we're not proposing any signage for anybody coming in.

2768
02:04:18,945 --> 02:04:21,325
Yep. But for the, for the exiting driveway leaving there,

2769
02:04:21,325 --> 02:04:24,045
there'll be signage saying, you know, two shne take a left

2770
02:04:24,265 --> 02:04:26,765
to two Crystal A take a.

2771
02:04:26,765 --> 02:04:29,125
Right. So it's, it's basically the way finding signs

2772
02:04:29,125 --> 02:04:32,445
that we're, that we're proposing is to allow anybody

2773
02:04:32,445 --> 02:04:35,205
that's on the site trying to get out to the, to the, to the,

2774
02:04:35,365 --> 02:04:38,045
to the roadway system to have multiple ways to get out

2775
02:04:38,045 --> 02:04:39,245
of the site so that

2776
02:04:39,245 --> 02:04:41,845
that driveway in the back is basically just full access.

2777
02:04:41,845 --> 02:04:42,885
You can come in, you can come out

2778
02:04:43,465 --> 02:04:45,645
Either way, so you're not gonna have, do not enter

2779
02:04:45,645 --> 02:04:47,805
or anything exactly where that little finger is

2780
02:04:47,805 --> 02:04:48,805
Correct.

2781
02:04:48,805 --> 02:04:49,645
At, at this point. We're not, look, it's,

2782
02:04:49,645 --> 02:04:50,725
it's right now it's full access.

2783
02:04:50,725 --> 02:04:51,925
We're not looking to change that. It's

2784
02:04:51,925 --> 02:04:53,245
Kind of the way it works today.

2785
02:04:53,505 --> 02:04:57,685
If, if, if you know, the, the crystal is is backed up,

2786
02:04:57,945 --> 02:04:59,685
you can go another turn

2787
02:04:59,685 --> 02:05:01,045
around the building and get out that way.

2788
02:05:01,075 --> 02:05:03,285
Correct. And I just worry that, see where the,

2789
02:05:04,205 --> 02:05:07,925
'cause I use that a lot 'cause I'm a Citizens Bank patron,

2790
02:05:08,285 --> 02:05:09,325
I guess is the word I'm looking for.

2791
02:05:09,675 --> 02:05:10,805
Exactly. Correct. Right there.

2792
02:05:11,025 --> 02:05:13,325
And I use that little cut right there, right

2793
02:05:13,325 --> 02:05:15,005
where you just went that little cut.

2794
02:05:15,155 --> 02:05:17,205
Yeah. And I'll tell you, I've learned by,

2795
02:05:18,105 --> 02:05:19,125
by almost getting hit

2796
02:05:19,125 --> 02:05:22,565
and sideswiped that spot where your finger is Exactly.

2797
02:05:22,875 --> 02:05:24,845
That is a very, that's a, that's a,

2798
02:05:25,025 --> 02:05:26,685
that's a dangerous little spot right there.

2799
02:05:26,885 --> 02:05:29,085
'cause people come in and out of there to either go

2800
02:05:29,085 --> 02:05:32,525
to five guys, go to Citizens Bank or to try to cut through

2801
02:05:32,865 --> 02:05:35,885
and get onto Shani or get onto Pinkerton Street.

2802
02:05:36,545 --> 02:05:39,085
So I just, with more traffic coming in

2803
02:05:39,085 --> 02:05:40,605
and out of there, I just,

2804
02:05:41,065 --> 02:05:42,645
You just give away the Big secret though.

2805
02:05:42,715 --> 02:05:44,925
Yeah, I guess, I guess Mr.

2806
02:05:45,085 --> 02:05:46,645
Chairman, to that point right now,

2807
02:05:46,645 --> 02:05:49,845
we are not calling out anything at that driveway.

2808
02:05:49,855 --> 02:05:51,845
We're not calling out a stop sign or a stop bar.

2809
02:05:51,985 --> 02:05:54,565
We can add a stop sign and a stop bar on our property.

2810
02:05:54,905 --> 02:05:56,885
We, we can't do anything off, off our property.

2811
02:05:56,885 --> 02:05:58,405
It's, it's obviously not

2812
02:05:58,405 --> 02:05:59,445
Our, not our property.

2813
02:05:59,445 --> 02:06:00,725
And probably part of the problem, Mr.

2814
02:06:00,875 --> 02:06:03,805
Moey, is those shrubs that maybe should be cut back,

2815
02:06:03,865 --> 02:06:05,085
but that's not on their property either.

2816
02:06:05,285 --> 02:06:08,045
I, and I'm, I'm not just, I'm just proposing

2817
02:06:08,045 --> 02:06:11,165
that on your side of the property, just the signage.

2818
02:06:11,165 --> 02:06:13,445
That's why I was asking, piggybacking off Mr.

2819
02:06:13,765 --> 02:06:16,485
Ello, will there be any signage right where that finger is,

2820
02:06:17,395 --> 02:06:19,325
whether it says one way,

2821
02:06:20,025 --> 02:06:22,605
do not enter, only come in that, you know,

2822
02:06:23,045 --> 02:06:24,045
Whatever.

2823
02:06:24,045 --> 02:06:25,125
I think I, I think not allowing that

2824
02:06:25,145 --> 02:06:27,525
to be a safety valve exit would be probably a

2825
02:06:27,525 --> 02:06:29,085
bad idea in my opinion. Okay.

2826
02:06:29,475 --> 02:06:33,725
Okay. Because this Chris Level's gonna, gonna back up.

2827
02:06:33,865 --> 02:06:37,965
So any other

2828
02:06:38,445 --> 02:06:39,805
comments, questions from the board?

2829
02:06:40,625 --> 02:06:41,625
Mr. Chase?

2830
02:06:42,485 --> 02:06:44,965
I have a question about waiver number three.

2831
02:06:46,105 --> 02:06:48,605
How extensive where you say

2832
02:06:48,605 --> 02:06:51,485
that a bank is taking out both vaults,

2833
02:06:53,625 --> 02:06:55,205
how extensive is the reconstruction

2834
02:06:55,205 --> 02:06:56,285
gonna be of the drive through?

2835
02:06:59,505 --> 02:07:02,405
Not, I mean, they're gonna reuse the existing for start.

2836
02:07:02,405 --> 02:07:05,885
They're going to, they'll add their, their ATM

2837
02:07:07,465 --> 02:07:09,325
and and speaking with Santander.

2838
02:07:10,385 --> 02:07:12,325
I'm trying to think of my Cronin.

2839
02:07:14,595 --> 02:07:17,405
It's, it's pretty, you know, straightforward.

2840
02:07:17,665 --> 02:07:19,565
The, the way they explained it to me. Okay.

2841
02:07:19,725 --> 02:07:24,405
I guess, I guess to my point on the waiver is you,

2842
02:07:24,555 --> 02:07:28,445
there's four lanes there if they're gonna totally

2843
02:07:28,845 --> 02:07:33,045
reconstruct them anyway, I don't see why they couldn't make,

2844
02:07:33,155 --> 02:07:34,925
meet the requirements of the 11 foot

2845
02:07:35,005 --> 02:07:37,245
and just eliminate one compared

2846
02:07:37,245 --> 02:07:39,045
to if they're just gonna leave them as they are

2847
02:07:39,065 --> 02:07:40,125
and use 'em as they are.

2848
02:07:40,125 --> 02:07:42,925
Right. Mr. They haven't used for the last 40 years

2849
02:07:42,995 --> 02:07:44,685
that Bank of America was there.

2850
02:07:44,735 --> 02:07:47,685
Right. The the intent is to keep the lanes as is that the,

2851
02:07:47,825 --> 02:07:49,005
the, the, the rear portion.

2852
02:07:49,175 --> 02:07:50,245
There are four lanes there.

2853
02:07:50,355 --> 02:07:53,005
They're basically just not using the two outer lanes

2854
02:07:53,065 --> 02:07:54,805
and there's no at, at this time there's no,

2855
02:07:54,805 --> 02:07:57,685
there's no intent to change any of the, the exterior

2856
02:07:58,395 --> 02:07:59,445
lane configuration that's

2857
02:07:59,445 --> 02:08:00,445
There today.

2858
02:08:00,445 --> 02:08:01,245
You're not gonna change any of the mechanisms.

2859
02:08:02,145 --> 02:08:05,405
The the, you see what I'm getting at? They're

2860
02:08:05,565 --> 02:08:06,605
Changing, The structural

2861
02:08:06,605 --> 02:08:07,605
Components are not changing.

2862
02:08:08,225 --> 02:08:09,285
Yep. Yeah.

2863
02:08:09,285 --> 02:08:10,445
The, the structural components of

2864
02:08:10,445 --> 02:08:11,445
that canopy are not changing.

2865
02:08:11,745 --> 02:08:14,205
So therefore the, the lanes will, will, will remain

2866
02:08:14,205 --> 02:08:17,125
as is if there's some changes to the, to the infrastructure,

2867
02:08:17,985 --> 02:08:20,445
you know, that would, that would've to still fit within the,

2868
02:08:20,465 --> 02:08:22,565
the lane that's, that that's there today.

2869
02:08:22,835 --> 02:08:26,685
Okay. Right. You don't think there's enough room there?

2870
02:08:27,275 --> 02:08:31,205
Well, eight foot is pretty narrow for some

2871
02:08:31,205 --> 02:08:34,405
of the vehicles that there are now.

2872
02:08:34,525 --> 02:08:38,405
I mean I've seen full size trucks that have

2873
02:08:38,405 --> 02:08:39,605
to fold their mirrors in to get through.

2874
02:08:39,725 --> 02:08:43,965
I mean that's why the 11 foot, you know,

2875
02:08:44,115 --> 02:08:48,005
requirement one could argue that, well if

2876
02:08:48,545 --> 02:08:50,125
you know the customers can't fit their

2877
02:08:50,125 --> 02:08:51,445
vehicles, they're not gonna use 'em anyway.

2878
02:08:51,445 --> 02:08:54,525
And that's the bank's, you know, that's the bank's loss.

2879
02:08:54,665 --> 02:08:56,695
But as I had stated,

2880
02:08:56,695 --> 02:08:58,535
if if there was gonna be a full reconstruction

2881
02:08:58,535 --> 02:09:01,935
of the mechanisms then you know, I would propose

2882
02:09:01,935 --> 02:09:02,975
that one lane be eliminated

2883
02:09:02,975 --> 02:09:05,615
and have three of the required size.

2884
02:09:05,935 --> 02:09:07,735
I mean having, sorry about that.

2885
02:09:08,095 --> 02:09:10,695
I was just gonna say, having said that, getting the mic,

2886
02:09:11,845 --> 02:09:15,535
Having Said that, I would think if I had like a big

2887
02:09:15,535 --> 02:09:18,015
vehicle, I'm gonna hit the outer end of that

2888
02:09:18,775 --> 02:09:20,135
ATM. Right. 'cause it's,

2889
02:09:20,135 --> 02:09:21,175
Which is not gonna be use. There's

2890
02:09:21,195 --> 02:09:23,175
Use, there's nothing to impede me to the Right.

2891
02:09:23,385 --> 02:09:26,615
Right. But that he, he stated the outer two are not gonna

2892
02:09:26,615 --> 02:09:28,255
be in use when it opens.

2893
02:09:28,255 --> 02:09:29,775
They're gonna be left for future use.

2894
02:09:30,315 --> 02:09:32,295
So my recollection is originally the,

2895
02:09:32,875 --> 02:09:35,615
the ATM is attached to the building.

2896
02:09:36,275 --> 02:09:38,975
Yes. And the outer ones were the old pneumatic tube systems.

2897
02:09:39,275 --> 02:09:41,815
Yes. That's why I was asking if they're gonna redo the,

2898
02:09:41,815 --> 02:09:44,455
if they were going to redo the entire system,

2899
02:09:45,535 --> 02:09:48,575
I would have a problem with granting that waiver compared

2900
02:09:48,575 --> 02:09:51,055
to if they're just gonna leave that as is.

2901
02:09:51,655 --> 02:09:53,695
I mean it's function for decades.

2902
02:09:55,145 --> 02:09:57,355
Yeah. Be more amenable to granting

2903
02:09:57,355 --> 02:09:59,155
that waiver if they're, if they're not gonna totally

2904
02:09:59,435 --> 02:10:01,595
reconstruct the ATM infrastructure. So if they're

2905
02:10:01,595 --> 02:10:03,475
Not gonna use that outer lane, that's one thing.

2906
02:10:03,775 --> 02:10:05,995
But when you brought up, I started thinking about it.

2907
02:10:06,015 --> 02:10:08,315
If I had my, if if I had a big, huge truck

2908
02:10:08,315 --> 02:10:10,035
and I was in that outer lane, yeah.

2909
02:10:10,245 --> 02:10:11,995
Would I encroach over the exit?

2910
02:10:12,095 --> 02:10:14,355
See that exit lane, there's only, you got one exit lane,

2911
02:10:16,375 --> 02:10:17,635
the 10 foot exit lane.

2912
02:10:18,815 --> 02:10:20,715
But if I had a large vehicle, would it block that?

2913
02:10:20,775 --> 02:10:22,275
But they're not using it, so

2914
02:10:22,545 --> 02:10:23,545
Yeah.

2915
02:10:24,495 --> 02:10:25,835
But maybe that's something they can

2916
02:10:25,995 --> 02:10:27,035
consider later. I don't, yeah,

2917
02:10:27,465 --> 02:10:28,465
Yeah.

2918
02:10:28,465 --> 02:10:30,075
Again, Mr Chairman, the intent was it's been,

2919
02:10:30,745 --> 02:10:32,395
it's been used like that for, you know,

2920
02:10:32,525 --> 02:10:33,645
40 years, whatever it is.

2921
02:10:34,025 --> 02:10:36,325
The intent was to essentially keep that same configuration.

2922
02:10:36,325 --> 02:10:38,045
Maybe, maybe they're gonna go back to the eighties.

2923
02:10:38,765 --> 02:10:39,805
Actually it's 10. Could be

2924
02:10:40,855 --> 02:10:41,855
Carry cash.

2925
02:10:42,905 --> 02:10:45,045
It was just a question that I had that I had had

2926
02:10:45,895 --> 02:10:46,895
Noted.

2927
02:10:46,895 --> 02:10:47,245
Thank you.

2928
02:10:47,765 --> 02:10:49,125
Anything else from the board?

2929
02:10:50,745 --> 02:10:52,525
Any questions or comments from members

2930
02:10:52,545 --> 02:10:54,845
of the public either present in the audience or online?

2931
02:10:57,985 --> 02:10:59,405
Mr. Chair? We're seeing none rise.

2932
02:11:00,155 --> 02:11:02,005
Okay. Seeing none. Move back to the board.

2933
02:11:07,785 --> 02:11:09,565
Motion to close the public hearing. Second.

2934
02:11:09,675 --> 02:11:10,965
Okay, motion moved. Moved.

2935
02:11:10,965 --> 02:11:12,245
And second, is it closed to public hearing?

2936
02:11:12,245 --> 02:11:14,885
Second in favor, say aye. Aye. Okay.

2937
02:11:14,885 --> 02:11:15,885
Public hearing is closed.

2938
02:11:15,885 --> 02:11:18,245
Well the first thing we're gonna talk about is waivers.

2939
02:11:18,945 --> 02:11:20,845
And so Mr. Chase has already just

2940
02:11:20,995 --> 02:11:22,445
started talking about one of them.

2941
02:11:23,705 --> 02:11:26,605
Do we want to take these individually on their merits?

2942
02:11:28,865 --> 02:11:31,645
What's the board's pleasure on that? Yeah. Okay.

2943
02:11:31,645 --> 02:11:32,685
So take 'em all at once.

2944
02:11:34,835 --> 02:11:37,485
Does anyone object to taking them all at once? No.

2945
02:11:38,785 --> 02:11:41,485
No hearing, no objections. We will take them all at once.

2946
02:11:42,185 --> 02:11:43,245
All right, Mr.

2947
02:11:43,255 --> 02:11:46,885
Chair, I move to grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash

2948
02:11:49,775 --> 02:11:51,765
solid waste storage to allow a dumpster

2949
02:11:51,765 --> 02:11:55,005
to be located 14.4 feet from the property line

2950
02:11:55,135 --> 02:11:57,805
where the regulation requires a distance of 25 feet.

2951
02:11:58,175 --> 02:12:00,365
After review of the waiver request, the board finds

2952
02:12:00,365 --> 02:12:02,365
that strict conformity of the regulations pose an

2953
02:12:02,365 --> 02:12:04,005
unnecessary hardship to the applicant

2954
02:12:04,345 --> 02:12:05,925
and the waiver would not be contrary

2955
02:12:05,925 --> 02:12:07,565
to the spirit intent of the regulations.

2956
02:12:08,565 --> 02:12:12,885
I moved a grand waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash B

2957
02:12:14,695 --> 02:12:17,285
drive aisle width to allow a 10 foot,

2958
02:12:18,285 --> 02:12:20,405
a 10 foot one way access drive to the right

2959
02:12:20,405 --> 02:12:22,685
of the drive throughs where 18 foot is required

2960
02:12:22,705 --> 02:12:24,165
for a one-way drive aisle.

2961
02:12:25,055 --> 02:12:27,285
After review of the waiver request, the board finds

2962
02:12:27,285 --> 02:12:29,525
that strict conformity of the regulations would pose an

2963
02:12:29,995 --> 02:12:31,725
unnecessary hardship to the applicant

2964
02:12:31,945 --> 02:12:33,405
and the waiver would not be contrary

2965
02:12:33,405 --> 02:12:35,085
to the spirit intent of the regulations.

2966
02:12:35,925 --> 02:12:40,485
I moved to grant waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 62 B

2967
02:12:42,295 --> 02:12:45,285
drive through lane width to allow the ATM drive

2968
02:12:45,285 --> 02:12:48,285
through lanes of which two are proposed

2969
02:12:48,945 --> 02:12:53,685
to be 8.2 feet and 8.4 feet or 11 feet in pavement.

2970
02:12:53,685 --> 02:12:56,565
Width is required. After review of the waiver requests,

2971
02:12:56,565 --> 02:12:57,645
the board finds its stricken.

2972
02:12:57,645 --> 02:12:59,965
Formity to the regulations would pose an unnecessary

2973
02:13:00,205 --> 02:13:02,405
hardship to the applicant and the waiver would not be

2974
02:13:02,565 --> 02:13:04,445
contrary to the spirit intent of the regulations.

2975
02:13:05,485 --> 02:13:09,285
I moved to grant a waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash 60

2976
02:13:11,035 --> 02:13:14,645
parking setbacks to allow seven existing parking stalls

2977
02:13:14,645 --> 02:13:17,925
to be located 5.2 feet from the side lot line

2978
02:13:17,925 --> 02:13:19,245
where 10 feet is required.

2979
02:13:20,055 --> 02:13:21,725
After review of the waiver requests,

2980
02:13:21,725 --> 02:13:23,245
the board finds its strict conformity

2981
02:13:23,245 --> 02:13:25,965
to the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship

2982
02:13:25,965 --> 02:13:28,125
to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary

2983
02:13:28,125 --> 02:13:29,965
to the spirit and intent of the regulations.

2984
02:13:31,125 --> 02:13:35,285
I move to grant a waiver from LDCR section one 70 dash a

2985
02:13:36,655 --> 02:13:41,485
green space ratio to allow 25.2% green space

2986
02:13:41,485 --> 02:13:43,205
where 33% is required.

2987
02:13:43,815 --> 02:13:45,285
After review of the waiver requests,

2988
02:13:45,285 --> 02:13:46,685
the board finds its s strict conformity

2989
02:13:46,685 --> 02:13:48,925
of the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship

2990
02:13:48,925 --> 02:13:51,285
to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary

2991
02:13:51,285 --> 02:13:52,925
to the spirit intent of the regulations.

2992
02:13:55,225 --> 02:13:58,525
And finally, I move a grant waiver from LDCR section one 70

2993
02:13:58,555 --> 02:14:00,765
dash 65 stormwater management

2994
02:14:01,065 --> 02:14:03,965
to allow the stormwater sheet flow to continue offsite

2995
02:14:03,965 --> 02:14:05,885
to reduction of 2.9% from current,

2996
02:14:06,295 --> 02:14:08,965
where the regulation requires stormwater to be treated

2997
02:14:09,025 --> 02:14:10,205
and managed on site.

2998
02:14:10,655 --> 02:14:12,285
After review of the waiver requests,

2999
02:14:12,285 --> 02:14:13,845
the board finds its strict conformity

3000
02:14:13,845 --> 02:14:16,245
of the regulations would pose an unnecessary hardship

3001
02:14:16,245 --> 02:14:18,565
to the applicant and the waiver would not be contrary

3002
02:14:18,565 --> 02:14:20,365
to the spirit and intent of the regulations.

3003
02:14:20,585 --> 02:14:24,045
Second. So who seconded? Ms. Palantir.

3004
02:14:24,485 --> 02:14:28,925
So moved by Mby, seconded by Pier to grant six waivers.

3005
02:14:29,395 --> 02:14:34,205
Need discussion if not Mr. Chase?

3006
02:14:34,665 --> 02:14:39,365
Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?

3007
02:14:39,545 --> 02:14:43,725
Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes.

3008
02:14:44,395 --> 02:14:45,925
Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

3009
02:14:46,545 --> 02:14:48,565
And on the architectural design regulations,

3010
02:14:49,105 --> 02:14:50,105
Mr.

3011
02:14:50,105 --> 02:14:53,725
Chair, I move to find that pursuant to LDCR one 70 dash 85

3012
02:14:53,795 --> 02:14:56,605
that the application as presented demonstrates substantial

3013
02:14:56,605 --> 02:14:58,845
compliance with the architectural design regulations.

3014
02:14:59,275 --> 02:15:01,685
This property is located in the general commercial zoning

3015
02:15:01,965 --> 02:15:04,245
district and meets a medium high level of compliance

3016
02:15:04,825 --> 02:15:07,885
as outlined in section one 70 dash 84. Second

3017
02:15:08,475 --> 02:15:10,245
Move by Malibu, seconded by Pier

3018
02:15:10,305 --> 02:15:12,805
to find architectural design compliance.

3019
02:15:13,585 --> 02:15:18,125
Mr. Chase? Well I think it meets a medium with no granite,

3020
02:15:18,145 --> 02:15:19,325
but I'll still say yes.

3021
02:15:20,665 --> 02:15:23,405
No. Well you want him to tear the building down and,

3022
02:15:23,505 --> 02:15:24,525
and you okay, nevermind.

3023
02:15:26,465 --> 02:15:28,805
Was that a yes or yes? That was a yes. Okay.

3024
02:15:28,805 --> 02:15:32,285
Thank you Mr. Young. Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor?

3025
02:15:32,505 --> 02:15:36,525
Yes. Mr. Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes.

3026
02:15:36,545 --> 02:15:37,685
Mr. Maby? Well

3027
02:15:37,685 --> 02:15:40,485
There is vertical granite curbing on some.

3028
02:15:42,065 --> 02:15:43,685
That's the medium I will say yes.

3029
02:15:43,835 --> 02:15:46,725
Alright, carry on The GR legacy there or what?

3030
02:15:46,995 --> 02:15:48,685
Alright, let's move on.

3031
02:15:48,875 --> 02:15:50,845
It's getting findings of fact, please,

3032
02:15:51,285 --> 02:15:52,285
Mr.

3033
02:15:52,285 --> 02:15:53,885
Chair. The board finds the proposed plan provides safe

3034
02:15:53,885 --> 02:15:56,925
and efficien and efficient vehicular and pedestrian access

3035
02:15:57,265 --> 02:15:59,885
and the design and construction of the access ways

3036
02:15:59,905 --> 02:16:01,245
and walkways are adequate

3037
02:16:01,245 --> 02:16:02,885
to accommodate the anticipated volume

3038
02:16:02,905 --> 02:16:04,725
of traffic proposed by the development.

3039
02:16:05,425 --> 02:16:07,965
The board finds the proposed parking plan is adequate

3040
02:16:07,965 --> 02:16:09,885
for the site and meets the parking density

3041
02:16:09,885 --> 02:16:11,045
requirements for the use.

3042
02:16:11,785 --> 02:16:13,405
The board finds the landscape plan.

3043
02:16:13,405 --> 02:16:14,925
It meets the intent of the regulations.

3044
02:16:15,705 --> 02:16:17,805
The board finds the storm water management

3045
02:16:17,905 --> 02:16:19,765
as proposed is sufficient pursuant

3046
02:16:19,765 --> 02:16:21,125
to the waiver granted by the board.

3047
02:16:21,745 --> 02:16:24,525
The board finds utility construction standards are met.

3048
02:16:25,385 --> 02:16:28,165
The board finds exterior lighting, snow storage provisions

3049
02:16:28,165 --> 02:16:30,925
and solid waste storage are adequate for the proposed uses.

3050
02:16:31,085 --> 02:16:32,605
I move to agree with the above noted

3051
02:16:32,605 --> 02:16:33,685
findings of fact. Second

3052
02:16:34,525 --> 02:16:36,325
Moved by ee, seconded by Pelletier

3053
02:16:36,425 --> 02:16:38,405
to make findings of fact.

3054
02:16:38,505 --> 02:16:42,965
Any discussion Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr.

3055
02:16:43,105 --> 02:16:47,005
Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier?

3056
02:16:47,105 --> 02:16:50,925
Yes. Mr. Chair Cello? Yes. Mr. Libby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

3057
02:16:52,345 --> 02:16:54,245
And on the motion to approve

3058
02:16:54,825 --> 02:16:55,825
Mr.

3059
02:16:55,825 --> 02:16:56,165
Chair after review

3060
02:16:56,265 --> 02:16:58,485
and deliberation of the site plan application

3061
02:16:58,485 --> 02:17:02,565
for PID 3 6 0 1 7 dash oh oh one

3062
02:17:03,075 --> 02:17:06,405
Kafu Realty, the board finds the applicant at satisfied the

3063
02:17:06,405 --> 02:17:08,765
general requirements, the Land Development Control

3064
02:17:08,765 --> 02:17:11,925
regulations or in cases where the regulation cannot be met,

3065
02:17:12,105 --> 02:17:13,685
has satisfied the waiver requirements.

3066
02:17:14,075 --> 02:17:16,365
Therefore the motion is to approve pursuant

3067
02:17:16,365 --> 02:17:21,085
to RSA 6 76 4 Roman one completed application

3068
02:17:21,085 --> 02:17:25,525
with the following conditions, conditions precedent, subject

3069
02:17:25,525 --> 02:17:28,365
to owner's signature, subject to onsite inspection

3070
02:17:28,425 --> 02:17:29,485
by the towns engineer,

3071
02:17:29,915 --> 02:17:32,125
establish appropriate construction escrow

3072
02:17:32,145 --> 02:17:33,485
as required to complete the project.

3073
02:17:34,515 --> 02:17:36,245
Note the approved waivers on the plan,

3074
02:17:37,595 --> 02:17:40,525
exploratory excavations performed by the application are,

3075
02:17:40,785 --> 02:17:43,285
are by the applicant, excuse me, are required

3076
02:17:43,285 --> 02:17:45,445
to finalize the water and sewer configurations.

3077
02:17:46,295 --> 02:17:48,165
Amend the lighting plan to reduce the foot

3078
02:17:48,165 --> 02:17:49,485
candles at the property lines.

3079
02:17:50,305 --> 02:17:53,205
Obtain written approval from the planning director designee

3080
02:17:53,205 --> 02:17:55,845
that the GIS submission is received and is operable

3081
02:17:55,845 --> 02:17:59,525
and it complies with LDCR section one 70 dash 61 point C

3082
02:18:01,045 --> 02:18:03,005
Subject to receipt of applicable state

3083
02:18:03,065 --> 02:18:04,365
or local permits relating

3084
02:18:04,365 --> 02:18:07,125
to the project IE building department, fire department,

3085
02:18:07,375 --> 02:18:09,325
water, wastewater, driveway, et cetera.

3086
02:18:09,975 --> 02:18:12,245
Conditions precedent shall be met within six months.

3087
02:18:12,825 --> 02:18:15,085
And then conditions subsequent provide a copy

3088
02:18:15,085 --> 02:18:17,245
of the approved plan to N-H-D-O-T. Second.

3089
02:18:17,955 --> 02:18:21,925
Okay. Moved by Alby. Seconded by Pelletier.

3090
02:18:22,725 --> 02:18:25,405
I have a point of discussion on the lighting plan.

3091
02:18:27,045 --> 02:18:28,845
I mean, I understand that this is a separate parcel,

3092
02:18:29,265 --> 02:18:31,925
but it's in the middle of a shopping center.

3093
02:18:33,065 --> 02:18:35,125
Why are we so concerned about light levels at the

3094
02:18:35,345 --> 02:18:36,605
parcel boundaries?

3095
02:18:39,315 --> 02:18:44,045
When I looked at the lighting plan, let me look at it.

3096
02:18:44,865 --> 02:18:49,565
It just, normally we try to get it as close

3097
02:18:49,585 --> 02:18:51,965
to zero or one as possible

3098
02:18:52,665 --> 02:18:55,725
and this just seemed bright.

3099
02:18:56,375 --> 02:18:58,085
Especially where it's LED.

3100
02:18:58,705 --> 02:19:00,045
But that's up to the, I mean

3101
02:19:00,045 --> 02:19:02,485
that they're just suggesting conditions

3102
02:19:02,545 --> 02:19:04,205
for the board to review.

3103
02:19:06,155 --> 02:19:10,965
It's like right along the trees you're at,

3104
02:19:11,995 --> 02:19:14,165
it's like 1.1 0.3.

3105
02:19:16,805 --> 02:19:19,325
I guess my, my my comment would be that, you know,

3106
02:19:19,325 --> 02:19:23,925
certainly along the south side of the building,

3107
02:19:24,635 --> 02:19:27,245
it's adjacent to the main access driveway

3108
02:19:27,305 --> 02:19:28,365
to the shopping center.

3109
02:19:28,765 --> 02:19:30,445
Having a little more light on that roadway is probably

3110
02:19:30,445 --> 02:19:31,485
not a bad thing in my opinion.

3111
02:19:32,045 --> 02:19:34,725
Okay. So my suggestion would be, I don't,

3112
02:19:34,725 --> 02:19:36,605
I don't think we need to change it, but I don't, we'll see.

3113
02:19:37,155 --> 02:19:39,725
Does anyone, so I I'm gonna make a motion.

3114
02:19:40,665 --> 02:19:41,965
Oh no. Yeah,

3115
02:19:41,965 --> 02:19:42,965
I mean, yeah, There's,

3116
02:19:42,965 --> 02:19:44,885
There's suggested you can remove that

3117
02:19:45,665 --> 02:19:47,605
And we'll see if it flies with anyone else.

3118
02:19:48,505 --> 02:19:50,025
I mean it is a little dock over there

3119
02:19:50,885 --> 02:19:53,585
and we don't know what's gonna go across that, where the,

3120
02:19:53,585 --> 02:19:54,905
your old gas station was.

3121
02:19:56,965 --> 02:19:58,705
If that's ever gonna get developed, we have no

3122
02:19:58,705 --> 02:19:59,705
Clue.

3123
02:19:59,705 --> 02:20:01,825
It that has been proven as a little difficult to develop.

3124
02:20:02,255 --> 02:20:03,255
Yeah.

3125
02:20:04,085 --> 02:20:07,585
So maybe, maybe you need a better engineer.

3126
02:20:08,345 --> 02:20:11,985
I don't know. So motion is gonna die for lack of a second.

3127
02:20:11,985 --> 02:20:14,345
Here, I'll second it. Okay.

3128
02:20:15,025 --> 02:20:16,665
Discussion on, on the lighting plan.

3129
02:20:17,685 --> 02:20:19,585
So you in increasing the lighting?

3130
02:20:19,925 --> 02:20:21,985
No, I'm, I'm leaving it the way it was designed.

3131
02:20:22,885 --> 02:20:25,345
Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah, that, that's fine with

3132
02:20:25,345 --> 02:20:26,345
The new LED lights.

3133
02:20:26,345 --> 02:20:27,665
With the new LED lights. Yeah, that's fine.

3134
02:20:27,905 --> 02:20:29,105
'cause it is in the middle of a shopping center.

3135
02:20:30,045 --> 02:20:34,795
No. Yep. Alright. Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes.

3136
02:20:34,895 --> 02:20:39,435
Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes.

3137
02:20:39,815 --> 02:20:44,715
Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Ella? Sure. Yes. Ms. Mal? Yes.

3138
02:20:44,935 --> 02:20:48,155
In chair votes? Yes. So the now on the approval

3139
02:20:48,535 --> 02:20:51,795
as amended without that condition, any discussion

3140
02:20:52,455 --> 02:20:53,455
May vote?

3141
02:20:53,455 --> 02:20:55,755
Mr. Chase? Yes.

3142
02:20:56,335 --> 02:21:00,915
Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Minney? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr.

3143
02:21:00,915 --> 02:21:04,635
Fisherman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Joel? Yes. Jamal? Yes.

3144
02:21:04,735 --> 02:21:06,475
And the chair votes? Yes. Thank you

3145
02:21:06,475 --> 02:21:07,595
very much Andre. Welcome. Congratulations.

3146
02:21:07,595 --> 02:21:09,155
You're welcome. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

3147
02:21:09,175 --> 02:21:10,675
And I'll you, I'll be eating over there.

3148
02:21:11,195 --> 02:21:13,635
I won't have to go to Namac anymore. Thank you.

3149
02:21:13,905 --> 02:21:15,715
Alright, if you got one

3150
02:21:15,715 --> 02:21:17,435
more, let see we can get this done. Okay.

3151
02:21:17,545 --> 02:21:20,795
Alright. Right, I lost my agenda.

3152
02:21:25,215 --> 02:21:28,875
So this is J-A-L-L-L-C

3153
02:21:29,655 --> 02:21:30,715
for Forest Street.

3154
02:21:33,585 --> 02:21:35,355
It's a subdivision of parcels

3155
02:21:36,495 --> 02:21:40,035
1 1 0 5 8 dash double zero eight

3156
02:21:41,385 --> 02:21:43,955
dash double 0 8 0 0 1

3157
02:21:44,415 --> 02:21:47,355
and double 8 0 0 2.

3158
02:21:48,415 --> 02:21:49,915
And a lot, lot line adjustment.

3159
02:21:50,265 --> 02:21:53,195
Okay. So thank you. The purpose of this plan is

3160
02:21:53,215 --> 02:21:56,155
to subdivide three existing lots, which would be

3161
02:21:56,815 --> 02:22:00,635
11 0 5 8 0 0 8 sub parcel one

3162
02:22:00,635 --> 02:22:03,395
and sub parcel two creating six lots.

3163
02:22:03,415 --> 02:22:05,995
And to adjust the lot lines between parcels

3164
02:22:07,275 --> 02:22:11,655
11 0 5 7 1 1 0 5 7 dash

3165
02:22:12,075 --> 02:22:15,175
oh one seven and then sub parcels

3166
02:22:15,955 --> 02:22:20,495
oh 1 7 0 1 through seven decreasing the total number

3167
02:22:20,495 --> 02:22:22,215
of lots to seven lots.

3168
02:22:23,075 --> 02:22:23,495
Parcel

3169
02:22:23,835 --> 02:22:28,645
1 1 0 5 7 0 1 7 0 7

3170
02:22:28,835 --> 02:22:29,885
will be extinguished.

3171
02:22:30,525 --> 02:22:33,045
A variance was granted on March 5th of 26th

3172
02:22:33,105 --> 02:22:35,005
to allow the lots on the east side of forest

3173
02:22:35,145 --> 02:22:36,765
to be less than one acre in size.

3174
02:22:37,645 --> 02:22:40,085
Highway safety and conservation commission review were

3175
02:22:40,085 --> 02:22:41,205
not required for this project.

3176
02:22:42,385 --> 02:22:44,605
All comments and concerns raised by staff

3177
02:22:44,605 --> 02:22:46,685
during TRC discussions were addressed.

3178
02:22:47,045 --> 02:22:50,125
Site distance profile were not included for the driveways,

3179
02:22:50,125 --> 02:22:52,125
but they will be reviewed upon application

3180
02:22:52,125 --> 02:22:53,445
for a building permit as part

3181
02:22:53,445 --> 02:22:54,805
of the driveway approval process.

3182
02:22:55,765 --> 02:22:57,125
Escrow is already in place

3183
02:22:57,185 --> 02:23:00,005
as the area being constructed is under active construction.

3184
02:23:00,625 --> 02:23:04,005
The lot number for the parent tracked is noted incorrectly

3185
02:23:04,105 --> 02:23:07,645
and should be parcel 1 1 0 5 7.

3186
02:23:07,825 --> 02:23:10,005
Not 1 1 0 5 7 0 1 7.

3187
02:23:10,845 --> 02:23:12,645
That should be corrected on the final plot.

3188
02:23:13,045 --> 02:23:15,925
The applicant should also confirm the final lot area

3189
02:23:16,025 --> 02:23:18,685
for each lot we, there was some inconsistencies in

3190
02:23:19,385 --> 02:23:20,565
the PLS plan.

3191
02:23:21,295 --> 02:23:24,685
There are no requested waivers for permitting.

3192
02:23:24,685 --> 02:23:26,965
There will be an amended alteration of terrain.

3193
02:23:27,365 --> 02:23:31,525
They will apply for dairy driveway permits as each house is

3194
02:23:32,155 --> 02:23:34,765
applied for and then there'd be the

3195
02:23:34,805 --> 02:23:36,125
DES subdivision amendment.

3196
02:23:37,465 --> 02:23:40,245
The recommendation is to review the plan as presented

3197
02:23:40,345 --> 02:23:43,645
and make a determination with regard to regional impact.

3198
02:23:43,805 --> 02:23:46,565
I will note that during the original subdivision

3199
02:23:46,745 --> 02:23:49,845
of these lots that was before the board earlier

3200
02:23:50,545 --> 02:23:52,045
or in about a year

3201
02:23:52,045 --> 02:23:53,885
or so ago, the board determined

3202
02:23:53,885 --> 02:23:55,005
there was no regional impact.

3203
02:23:55,025 --> 02:23:57,485
So if you'd like to not, it's up

3204
02:23:57,485 --> 02:23:59,565
to the board whether you wanna vote on that or not.

3205
02:24:00,825 --> 02:24:01,845
We did include,

3206
02:24:04,305 --> 02:24:07,525
we did include like the addressing exhibit just

3207
02:24:07,525 --> 02:24:11,045
so the board could kind of see how the,

3208
02:24:11,145 --> 02:24:14,245
the lots will look in the final layout.

3209
02:24:16,385 --> 02:24:18,285
So Brent Cole is here from Granite

3210
02:24:18,605 --> 02:24:20,165
Engineering representing the applicant.

3211
02:24:20,405 --> 02:24:21,845
J-A-L-L-L-C. And Mr.

3212
02:24:22,125 --> 02:24:23,965
Lanin is also in the audience for questions.

3213
02:24:26,355 --> 02:24:30,245
Okay. The board's preference on jurisdiction please

3214
02:24:33,345 --> 02:24:34,345
Mr.

3215
02:24:34,345 --> 02:24:35,245
Chair. I move to accept jurisdiction

3216
02:24:35,245 --> 02:24:37,805
of the amended subdivision and lot line adjustment plan

3217
02:24:37,805 --> 02:24:42,205
before the board for J-A-L-L-L-C-P-I-D 1, 1 0 5.

3218
02:24:42,205 --> 02:24:44,885
8 0 1 1 1 0 5.

3219
02:24:44,885 --> 02:24:49,205
8 0 8 0 0 1 1 1 0 5.

3220
02:24:49,205 --> 02:24:54,205
8 0 8 0 0 2 1 1 0 5 7 1 1 0 5 7 0 1 7 1 1 0 5 7 0 1.

3221
02:25:00,815 --> 02:25:05,405
7 0 1 through 1 1 0 5 7 0 1.

3222
02:25:05,405 --> 02:25:07,285
7 0 0 7 Fourth Street.

3223
02:25:07,625 --> 02:25:10,725
Second move by ee, seconded by Peir

3224
02:25:10,725 --> 02:25:12,165
to accept jurisdiction.

3225
02:25:12,505 --> 02:25:15,845
Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Minni? Yes.

3226
02:25:15,905 --> 02:25:20,645
Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Fishman? Yes. ERs? Yes. Mr. Yes. Mr.

3227
02:25:20,735 --> 02:25:22,165
Maldy? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

3228
02:25:24,695 --> 02:25:27,125
Since we had previously determined there's no regional

3229
02:25:27,125 --> 02:25:30,885
impact, does anyone have any objection to continuing

3230
02:25:30,885 --> 02:25:33,245
that finding hearing?

3231
02:25:33,345 --> 02:25:35,005
No objection. We will skip that

3232
02:25:36,385 --> 02:25:37,685
motion to open the public hearing.

3233
02:25:37,785 --> 02:25:41,285
So moved. Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.

3234
02:25:41,505 --> 02:25:42,525
Public hearing is open.

3235
02:25:43,455 --> 02:25:45,085
Thank you Mr. Chair for the record.

3236
02:25:45,225 --> 02:25:47,285
My name is Brent Cole with Grite Engineering.

3237
02:25:48,395 --> 02:25:51,565
This portion of Delaney Estates Denali

3238
02:25:51,675 --> 02:25:53,205
Estates is fairly simple.

3239
02:25:53,775 --> 02:25:55,365
We're we're talking about phase four,

3240
02:25:55,375 --> 02:25:57,645
which connected existing Forest Street

3241
02:25:57,745 --> 02:26:00,445
to the once proposed Daniel Road

3242
02:26:01,545 --> 02:26:04,205
and the Forest Street

3243
02:26:05,115 --> 02:26:07,965
roadway was a split zoned area.

3244
02:26:08,505 --> 02:26:10,605
So MDR was on the west side

3245
02:26:11,265 --> 02:26:14,365
and LMDR was on the right side.

3246
02:26:15,105 --> 02:26:18,125
As he was building this roadway out, it became very apparent

3247
02:26:18,475 --> 02:26:20,605
that the parcels

3248
02:26:20,605 --> 02:26:22,765
that he was gonna build out on the west side were gonna look

3249
02:26:22,765 --> 02:26:25,125
very different than their neighbors across the street.

3250
02:26:25,625 --> 02:26:27,085
So we went in front of the zoning board

3251
02:26:27,265 --> 02:26:31,965
and we got a variance to allow the parcels on the east side

3252
02:26:32,185 --> 02:26:35,325
to be one acre with 150 feet of frontage.

3253
02:26:36,065 --> 02:26:38,765
And the parcels on the left side would

3254
02:26:39,425 --> 02:26:40,805
be a similar one acre,

3255
02:26:40,805 --> 02:26:43,085
but they would be expanded to 150 feet

3256
02:26:43,085 --> 02:26:46,085
of frontage from the 1 25 that's allowed in the MDR.

3257
02:26:46,785 --> 02:26:49,205
As a result, this reduces the amount

3258
02:26:49,205 --> 02:26:52,605
of lots on the west side down from seven down to six,

3259
02:26:52,935 --> 02:26:56,485
which requires all those complicated lot line adjustments.

3260
02:26:57,025 --> 02:27:00,325
And on the east side it went from three lots

3261
02:27:00,465 --> 02:27:01,845
to now six lots.

3262
02:27:02,225 --> 02:27:05,365
So this portion of the development will have very similar

3263
02:27:05,675 --> 02:27:07,005
lots on both sides.

3264
02:27:07,685 --> 02:27:09,685
We do have municipal water in Forest Road,

3265
02:27:10,205 --> 02:27:12,045
so lot sizing is really not gonna be an issue.

3266
02:27:13,005 --> 02:27:15,165
I don't think this was ever contemplated

3267
02:27:15,165 --> 02:27:19,005
to have municipal water in through this LMDR district,

3268
02:27:19,005 --> 02:27:21,925
which is why it's zoned with such a high lot

3269
02:27:22,675 --> 02:27:23,805
area requirement.

3270
02:27:25,265 --> 02:27:27,365
So all in all it's a very simple project.

3271
02:27:27,555 --> 02:27:28,965
It's a bunch of lot line adjustments

3272
02:27:29,065 --> 02:27:33,445
and in essence it's only a two lots subdivision on a almost

3273
02:27:33,445 --> 02:27:35,485
fully constructed roadway at this point.

3274
02:27:36,645 --> 02:27:38,165
There is no extension of roadway.

3275
02:27:38,255 --> 02:27:40,525
There really is no change to the roadway design.

3276
02:27:41,125 --> 02:27:43,165
We expanded the stormwater pond slightly

3277
02:27:43,305 --> 02:27:46,445
to accommodate some offsite drainage from Forest Street,

3278
02:27:47,045 --> 02:27:50,205
but with that there's really no infrastructure upgrades,

3279
02:27:50,305 --> 02:27:51,765
no changes to the roadways.

3280
02:27:52,205 --> 02:27:53,325
A two lot subdivision

3281
02:27:53,545 --> 02:27:56,285
and multiple lot line adjustments with that Mr.

3282
02:27:56,285 --> 02:27:57,325
Chair, I'll hand it back to you.

3283
02:27:58,715 --> 02:28:01,005
Okay. It looks a little,

3284
02:28:01,805 --> 02:28:04,845
probably more complicated on the plot than it is

3285
02:28:04,845 --> 02:28:08,845
with all the new lines and and lines to be extinguished.

3286
02:28:11,345 --> 02:28:16,325
My understanding is that the,

3287
02:28:16,425 --> 02:28:20,325
the ones on the left hand side are being

3288
02:28:21,475 --> 02:28:23,005
reduced in overall acreage.

3289
02:28:25,185 --> 02:28:29,125
I'm, I'm confused 'cause they used to go further back.

3290
02:28:29,625 --> 02:28:31,965
So how does the, the net acreage

3291
02:28:32,025 --> 02:28:36,005
of the all the lots on the left hand side

3292
02:28:36,005 --> 02:28:37,565
of the display, they

3293
02:28:37,565 --> 02:28:39,565
Used to go further back because there was seven

3294
02:28:39,795 --> 02:28:41,205
lots on that left side.

3295
02:28:41,265 --> 02:28:42,725
Now there's only six lots.

3296
02:28:43,145 --> 02:28:45,925
So we took the area from that extra lot

3297
02:28:45,985 --> 02:28:48,445
and we were able to distribute them over the six,

3298
02:28:48,935 --> 02:28:52,085
which allowed us to remove some of the area going out back.

3299
02:28:52,145 --> 02:28:54,365
So essentially their tails were kind of removed

3300
02:28:54,795 --> 02:28:56,925
because the lots were able to get wider

3301
02:28:57,225 --> 02:29:00,765
to accommodate 150 feet of frontage rather than 125.

3302
02:29:01,605 --> 02:29:03,245
I mean that, that seems like a nice thing to do.

3303
02:29:04,555 --> 02:29:05,725
Yeah, it'll Be a lot better.

3304
02:29:05,925 --> 02:29:10,445
I mean, my observation I think at the time was

3305
02:29:10,445 --> 02:29:12,365
that those are really weirdly shaped blocks

3306
02:29:12,545 --> 02:29:16,485
and we don't encourage that They're still weirdly shaped

3307
02:29:16,685 --> 02:29:18,565
but maybe less weirdly shaped.

3308
02:29:19,395 --> 02:29:21,125
Yeah, we, we lost a lot and,

3309
02:29:21,265 --> 02:29:24,125
and honestly you could, you could easily build a home on

3310
02:29:24,125 --> 02:29:25,525
what was previously proposed,

3311
02:29:25,665 --> 02:29:27,965
but it would certainly not look like the two

3312
02:29:28,075 --> 02:29:29,445
acre lots across the street.

3313
02:29:30,345 --> 02:29:33,125
And I think to have some continuity

3314
02:29:33,125 --> 02:29:34,525
through this development, especially

3315
02:29:34,525 --> 02:29:37,085
for what's already been built out there, he realized

3316
02:29:37,085 --> 02:29:39,205
that losing a lot made more sense on

3317
02:29:39,205 --> 02:29:42,285
that west side rather than trying to create something

3318
02:29:42,285 --> 02:29:44,405
that wasn't uniform to the rest of the development.

3319
02:29:46,025 --> 02:29:50,125
Any other questions from the board? Mr. Mousy?

3320
02:29:50,485 --> 02:29:54,285
These proposed dwellings that the, on these six lots,

3321
02:29:54,665 --> 02:29:57,925
are they gonna be two bedroom homes? One gonna

3322
02:29:57,925 --> 02:29:59,485
Be two bedroom homes?

3323
02:29:59,905 --> 02:30:02,005
I'm, I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to say that that's really

3324
02:30:02,005 --> 02:30:04,245
outside the jurisdiction of the planning board.

3325
02:30:04,835 --> 02:30:08,485
Okay. Okay.

3326
02:30:09,525 --> 02:30:12,005
I These are nice high end homes that, that's very nice.

3327
02:30:12,025 --> 02:30:13,845
Mr. Connor can testify

3328
02:30:14,045 --> 02:30:16,485
'cause he was out there looking at him recently.

3329
02:30:19,975 --> 02:30:21,325
Other questions from the board?

3330
02:30:24,685 --> 02:30:25,865
So is Yep.

3331
02:30:26,125 --> 02:30:29,825
Lot 57 just green space at this point or,

3332
02:30:29,845 --> 02:30:31,465
or unbillable basically.

3333
02:30:31,885 --> 02:30:33,225
Yep. Unbillable right now.

3334
02:30:38,815 --> 02:30:41,025
Well since Mr.

3335
02:30:41,095 --> 02:30:42,545
Land is the only one in the audience,

3336
02:30:42,545 --> 02:30:43,745
he probably doesn't have any comments.

3337
02:30:45,045 --> 02:30:46,225
Any comments online?

3338
02:30:49,325 --> 02:30:50,945
Mr. Chair? We're seeing none. Rise on.

3339
02:30:51,615 --> 02:30:54,065
Okay. Motion to close the public hearing. Yeah,

3340
02:30:55,745 --> 02:30:56,745
I move.

3341
02:30:56,745 --> 02:30:58,105
So moved to second close the public hearing.

3342
02:30:58,125 --> 02:30:59,905
All those in favor say aye. Aye.

3343
02:30:59,905 --> 02:31:01,865
Public hearing is closed back to the board.

3344
02:31:02,365 --> 02:31:03,585
Any comments, questions?

3345
02:31:07,735 --> 02:31:08,625
Okay, let's

3346
02:31:09,495 --> 02:31:11,225
Finding Any effect. Yep.

3347
02:31:12,145 --> 02:31:14,825
Mr. Chair, the board finds proposed plan does not alter

3348
02:31:15,105 --> 02:31:16,785
existing conditions, which would affect the access

3349
02:31:16,785 --> 02:31:18,625
to the lots ensuring the health, safety

3350
02:31:18,685 --> 02:31:20,965
and welfare of the neighborhood remains unchanged

3351
02:31:20,965 --> 02:31:22,965
as a result of the adjustment of the lot lines.

3352
02:31:23,905 --> 02:31:26,005
The board finds the proposed plan provides safe

3353
02:31:26,025 --> 02:31:28,325
and efficient, vehicular and pedestrian access

3354
02:31:28,745 --> 02:31:31,125
and the design and construction of the roadways adequate

3355
02:31:31,145 --> 02:31:32,685
to accommodate the anticipated volume

3356
02:31:32,685 --> 02:31:34,205
of traffic proposed by development.

3357
02:31:34,945 --> 02:31:37,485
The board finds the storm water management as proposed,

3358
02:31:37,585 --> 02:31:39,725
is designed to control the post-development runoff

3359
02:31:39,745 --> 02:31:41,925
or does not exceed a pre-development runoff.

3360
02:31:42,465 --> 02:31:45,285
The board finds the utility construction standards are met.

3361
02:31:45,965 --> 02:31:47,325
The board makes findings of fact

3362
02:31:47,585 --> 02:31:48,885
as listed above. That's my motion.

3363
02:31:49,025 --> 02:31:52,525
Second. Moved by Alby, seconded by app Palantier

3364
02:31:52,525 --> 02:31:53,765
to make findings of fact.

3365
02:31:54,425 --> 02:31:58,245
Mr. Chase? Yes. Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes.

3366
02:31:58,425 --> 02:32:02,685
Mr. O'Connor? Yes. Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr.

3367
02:32:03,165 --> 02:32:06,045
Ello? Yes. Mr. Maby? Yes. Chair votes? Yes.

3368
02:32:07,905 --> 02:32:10,405
Mr. Chair after review and deliberation of the subdivision

3369
02:32:10,405 --> 02:32:11,885
and lot line adjustment application

3370
02:32:11,885 --> 02:32:12,765
for PID

3371
02:32:12,945 --> 02:32:17,945
1, 1 0 5 8 1 1 0 5 8 0 8 0 0 1 1 1 0 5 8 0 8 0 0 2 1 1 0 5 7 7 1 1 0 5 7 0 1 7 1

3372
02:32:30,355 --> 02:32:35,245
through 1 1 0 5 7 excuse oh 1 7 0 0 7

3373
02:32:35,925 --> 02:32:37,325
J-A-L-L-L-C.

3374
02:32:37,745 --> 02:32:40,045
The board finds the applicant has satisfied the general

3375
02:32:40,045 --> 02:32:42,605
requirements of the Land Development control regulations.

3376
02:32:43,155 --> 02:32:45,245
Therefore the motion is to approve pursuant

3377
02:32:45,245 --> 02:32:49,165
to RSA 6 76 4 Roman one completed application

3378
02:32:49,165 --> 02:32:52,405
with the following conditions, conditions precedent,

3379
02:32:52,555 --> 02:32:54,005
subject to owner signature.

3380
02:32:56,075 --> 02:32:58,045
Confirm appropriate escrow is in place

3381
02:32:58,045 --> 02:32:59,525
for this portion of the overall project.

3382
02:33:00,265 --> 02:33:01,525
Remove the waiver request.

3383
02:33:01,525 --> 02:33:04,805
Note from the plan sets correct the parent lot number

3384
02:33:04,805 --> 02:33:06,445
for the lots which are affected by the lot.

3385
02:33:06,445 --> 02:33:08,565
Line adjustment and update as necessary.

3386
02:33:08,705 --> 02:33:10,685
The final lot areas for each

3387
02:33:10,685 --> 02:33:13,245
of these lots on all affected plan sheets.

3388
02:33:13,985 --> 02:33:16,885
Obtain written approval from the planning director designee

3389
02:33:16,885 --> 02:33:19,725
that the GIS submission is received and is operable

3390
02:33:19,745 --> 02:33:21,405
and it complies with LDCR.

3391
02:33:21,405 --> 02:33:23,925
Section one 70 dash 24 C.

3392
02:33:24,675 --> 02:33:26,605
Subject to receipt of applicable state

3393
02:33:26,625 --> 02:33:30,365
or local permits relating to the project IE amended a OT

3394
02:33:31,005 --> 02:33:33,165
Building Department Fire Department water wastewater

3395
02:33:34,095 --> 02:33:36,805
submission of the appropriate recording fees payable.

3396
02:33:36,805 --> 02:33:38,725
The Rockingham County Registry of Deeds.

3397
02:33:38,995 --> 02:33:41,885
This includes the $25 el chip fee recording fees

3398
02:33:41,905 --> 02:33:44,765
for the Mylar and the notice of decision conditions.

3399
02:33:44,765 --> 02:33:46,485
Precedent shall be met within six months

3400
02:33:47,345 --> 02:33:50,525
and for conditions subsequent subject to onsite inspection

3401
02:33:50,585 --> 02:33:51,645
by the towns engineer.

3402
02:33:52,145 --> 02:33:53,725
Supply site distance profiles

3403
02:33:53,725 --> 02:33:56,245
with the individual driveway permit applications. Second

3404
02:33:57,045 --> 02:33:59,125
Moved by Malibu, seconded by Collier

3405
02:33:59,225 --> 02:34:00,725
to grant conditional approval.

3406
02:34:01,445 --> 02:34:03,245
I do have a a point of discussion.

3407
02:34:03,285 --> 02:34:06,445
I notice that on the pla there are some things

3408
02:34:06,445 --> 02:34:08,925
that say New Lot line adjusted Lot line

3409
02:34:10,025 --> 02:34:13,205
in the past our recommendation has been when you wanna

3410
02:34:13,205 --> 02:34:17,125
record a plot like this at the Registry of Deeds to label

3411
02:34:17,885 --> 02:34:19,045
a lot line to be extinguished.

3412
02:34:19,225 --> 02:34:20,885
Lot line to be added or something like that

3413
02:34:20,885 --> 02:34:24,485
because I, the the nomenclature's a a little inconsistent

3414
02:34:24,505 --> 02:34:25,525
and a little confusing.

3415
02:34:25,865 --> 02:34:28,485
Do you think that would be a good idea for you guys to do

3416
02:34:29,305 --> 02:34:30,305
So?

3417
02:34:30,305 --> 02:34:31,845
I'm not the surveyor on the project promised land is

3418
02:34:32,475 --> 02:34:33,885
this is the cover sheet.

3419
02:34:34,035 --> 02:34:36,445
Typically we don't record the cover sheet.

3420
02:34:36,905 --> 02:34:37,925
We may on this,

3421
02:34:37,985 --> 02:34:41,405
but the individual plans that are the actual subdivision

3422
02:34:41,425 --> 02:34:45,285
and lot line adjustment that gets into the, the detail of

3423
02:34:45,915 --> 02:34:48,445
extinguishing and, and what's being adjusted.

3424
02:34:48,595 --> 02:34:50,605
This was really just for you guys so

3425
02:34:50,605 --> 02:34:52,685
that I could try to explain it.

3426
02:34:52,925 --> 02:34:54,365
'cause it is a little bit complicated.

3427
02:34:55,875 --> 02:34:59,605
Okay. Yeah. Fine. Did you see the single sheet too?

3428
02:35:03,505 --> 02:35:06,125
No. There's a single sheet. A little bit more clear.

3429
02:35:06,125 --> 02:35:09,325
Well, that's fine. I I just, if this is just a cover sheet,

3430
02:35:09,715 --> 02:35:10,685
this is more presentation and you

3431
02:35:10,685 --> 02:35:11,605
don't plan to record it, I think that's fine.

3432
02:35:12,275 --> 02:35:13,325
More presentation.

3433
02:35:13,945 --> 02:35:18,405
Any other discussion? Okay. Mr. Chase? Yes.

3434
02:35:18,705 --> 02:35:22,085
Mr. Young? Yes. Mr. Menini? Yes. Mr. O'Connor? Yes.

3435
02:35:23,945 --> 02:35:27,765
Mr. Fishman? Yes. Mr. Pier? Yes. Mr. Ello? Yes. Mr. Maby?

3436
02:35:27,785 --> 02:35:29,645
Yes. Chair votes? Yes. Thank you very much.

3437
02:35:30,055 --> 02:35:31,405
Thank you Board. Appreciate it. Thank

3438
02:35:31,405 --> 02:35:32,405
You.

3439
02:35:34,155 --> 02:35:36,125
Yeah, but they're not gonna record that either. No. No.

3440
02:35:36,125 --> 02:35:39,205
They're not gonna record. Alright, we are now on to

3441
02:35:39,815 --> 02:35:41,045
board member comments.

3442
02:35:43,585 --> 02:35:45,765
Do you have any comments? No.

3443
02:35:45,765 --> 02:35:49,525
Can I fish for a motion to adjourn? So moved. It has been.

3444
02:35:51,225 --> 02:35:53,005
All those in favor say aye. Aye.