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Tonight's a regular scheduled planning and zoning board meeting, January 23, 2024, room 102, display in Civic Center.

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Before I get on to tonight's cases, Ryan, could you please call a roll?

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Member Weaver. Member Catalano. Member Fowler. Member Hover. Member Selatnik.

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Here. Member Freemis. Here. Chairman Zappel.

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Here.

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The next order of business this this evening will be approval of the

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minutes from January 9. I was there any discussion on that matter. If not to have a motion.

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It's been moved by Mr. Sletnik. Seconded by Mr. Vareemis. Ryan, could you please call the roll.

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Member Sletnik. Member Freemis. Hi. Member Weaver.

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member Catalano. I, member Father. I. Chairman's apple. I, the minutes from January

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9, 2023 have been approved. Next order of business is, is anyone here the seed

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mean that would like to speak on a matter that's not on tonight's agenda?

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Something

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we have a continuance. I'm going to call the continuance first.

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As a case that

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is anybody here for 1628 Rand Road, case number 24-004-CU. The

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petitioner is Ursula Taplewitz, a barrelaine in this plane. She's asked for a

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to continue in. Is anybody here for that this evening? If not, do I have a motion to continue

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this case to have that given a date? Is this February 13th? Do I have a motion to continue

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this case to the 13th of February? Move by Mr. Weaver, seconded by Ms. Foller. Ryan could

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Please call a roll.

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Member Weaver.

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Member Father.

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Member Catalano.

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I.

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Member Seltenick.

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I.

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Member Freemis.

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I.

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Um, the case will be continued.

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Um, to February.

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Would you say 13th?

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Uh.

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First case this evening is, uh, case number 23-064-

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F.

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Uh.

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2285 Webster Lane, the applicant is requested a final plant of subdivision pursuant to

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section 13-2-2 of the subdivision regulations to split and existing lots and to two lots of

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record and the R1 single family residential district.

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Partitioner is Gene Bunk of 2285 Webster Lane.

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Second case this evening is 622 Grace on Avenue and 1332 and 1368 Webford.

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Case number 23-005-F-Plat.

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The petitioner is requesting to combine tentative and final plat of subdivision to consolidate

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three lots into one lot of record and any other variations waivers in Zonganolife as may be necessary.

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Petitioner is my low residential Graceland property, I'll see a barrington.

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Third case is safety.

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This case number 23-047-V. 1183 South River Road. The Petitioner has requested a major variation

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from the Fence Regulation to allow the finish side of a wood privacy fence to face the subject

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property instead of facing neighboring properties as required by code.

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Physicianer is Catherine Cunz of 1183 South River Road, Displains Illinois,

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fourth cases

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001-B, the 915 Alphiney Drive, the petitioner has requested a variation to allow a total building

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coverage and excess of the maximum 30% building coverage permitted for interior lots

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in the R1 single-family district.

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And any other variations, waivers, and zoning relief, as may be necessary.

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petitioners, Arthur Gassau of 915, Elfini Drive, Slings. Fifth cases evening. Case number

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24, dash 002, dash V. 1504, Oakwood Avenue, the petitioner has requested a variation to

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reduce the side corner to reduce the required corner side lot to allow for construction

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of a shed and the R1 single family residential district and any other variations waivers in zoning

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relief as maybe necessary. Petitioner is Max Larson of 1504 Oakwood Avenue.

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The first case is 2285 Webster Lane is the Petitioner Prison.

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If you could step up to the podium place,

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it doesn't matter.

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I remember you from the last meeting,

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and are you the only one giving testimony this evening?

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Okay, could you raise your right hand please in the case before you're this evening?

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Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so if you got I do I

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If you could explain you're a request once again to the board. Oh, sure. I'll try I

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Have a hundred foot wide lot and I've been living there for

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many years and

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I decided that I would like to subdivide because I would just like some choices, some opportunities.

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I made decide to give each of my two kids a lot.

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I might decide to sell the lot.

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I've had a couple of people approach me that are interested in building a new home.

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And I made just decide to keep it.

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I mean, I just would like options.

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That's all.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Samantha, could you just summarize the staff report for us, please?

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Certainly.

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And I was, I think Stu was going to do a little brief run subdivisions.

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Was that our understanding?

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Just on, okay, never mind.

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So I will launch into our,

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this case then.

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so

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Samantha Redmond, senior planner for the record. So this is for the final part of subdivision for 2285 Webster Lane.

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You saw a Ms. Bunk before you in June, and she requested a tentative part of subdivision, which you approved, in a variation for lot width, which you also approved.

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Lots are supposed to be 55 feet wide. These are 50 feet wide. That variation has been approved. Now we're before you for the final part of subdivision.

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The existing conditions of the property are that it is a single family house on the north side of the property and then the proposed lot to the south will be

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It is currently just green space. The total property area is a little over 21,000 square feet and it's located with the R1 single family residential district.

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Here are some site photos. Here's the public notice sign and then some photos from a greener days

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And then here we have the R1 zoning requirements.

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So with the subdivision, it meets all of these requirements

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for the existing house.

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And then any future development of the property

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will also need to meet all of these yard or setback requirements

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as well as maximum building height and things like that.

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So it does meet all of the lot area with all of these things

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you saw on the tentative cloud of subdivision process.

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So when you're looking at a final cloud of subdivision,

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You are basically looking at whether or not the subdivision has or meets all of the requirements.

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So I believe on page 7 of your packet you have the proposed platform.

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When we look at this we're affirming that there are it includes all the required information.

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So it includes the basic information like the final side of subdivision title on here, final side of blank subdivision information about the owner scale.

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Um, relevant title blocks over here, uh, variation information, because this was granted a variation.

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You can see that on the screen, and then any survey or stamps.

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So that's just basically information that is included.

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A plot of subdivision also needs to include lot information.

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So it would include things like straight names, which are included, um, when you look at the full plot.

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It includes the hot lines, which show the 50 foot wide lots, and uh, the 22 or 220, um, foot depth.

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It includes all the setbacks in a legal description, and then it notes any monuments and other

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bases for the surveyer measurements,

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and then finally, there's utility information included,

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any existing utilities or labels within the packet also includes any correspondence that this

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individual has had with any utility companies. And finally, with most plats of subdivision,

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actually I will go back really briefly. So on this plat also, they will, or she will be dedicating

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portion of it to the city because the lotline currently extends into the street. This was the

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same on the tentative part of subdivision you saw. So as part will be dedicated it will reduce

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her taxes and also make a make it easier for the city to maintain this property or the section of

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the street. And then any plat of subdivision typically includes public improvements. So engineering plans

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which are included within your packet were submitted and then estimate a problem cause was

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submitted and approved or reviewed and approved by the engineering department, so there will be that a little over 3300 square feet of area that is to be dedicated to the city of display and there will be proposed improvements that would include a public right and to the public right of way, which include construction of a driveway, a sidewalk or driveway apron, a sidewalk and the parkway would include landscaping and then any connections from the street would be included.

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And then before recording the plat of subdivision, they are required to provide certain financial guarantees, which are in Title 13 of our subdivision regulations, and there are time periods associated with that as well.

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Sam, if you would like me to talk about the plank that planning is on board, roll with regard to, for doing a subdivision, I was prepared to do that the next document, but I can do that up now, yeah, absolutely, because it does apply to both.

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Okay, why don't I just finish this up and if you want to hop in, that'd be terrific.

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And so with this, you have one action, and Stu will go over what your role is in this.

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So you could approve approved conditions or deny this request,

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and this would be afforded to the city council.

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Finally, for a final decision.

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Take it.

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So when we look at a subdivision code,

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most of these subdivision codes were in their modern form written at a time

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when there was a lot of kind of green field development,

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open development throughout the Chicago suburbs,

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when a lot of the neighborhoods

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that this plane is comprised of was being carved out,

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the streets were being laid out,

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and a lot of these plant requirements,

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which may seem overly technical for someone like the petitioner,

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who is simply dividing her lot into two.

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A lot of these requirements come from when builders

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were making 50 lot subdivisions and building

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really kind of the city that we know now. With most of Cook County and Northern Illinois,

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almost fully developed, we still go through the subdivision process, but kind of the planning

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aspects of it, especially for infant development, are much more kind of these divisions into smaller

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lots, or, as would, will be with the next docket, a consolidation of multiple lots into

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one-developable partial.

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And I'm like a decision to either change the zoning classification, a men-to-map, or even

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change the zoning code unless an applicant is asking for some extraordinary, like a variation

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for requirement, the review of a subdivision plot is really almost administrative. It still

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comes before you, but the question that is put before the planning and zoning board when

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looking at a plot like this or the next one is, does it comply with our rules? And when we say

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does it comply with our rules, does it include all the elements that Sam just talked about,

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but also does it meet all the standards with regard to setbacks with regard to dedicated

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road with and then finally does a comply with zoning and so in this case all

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those things I will staff and I believe staff is indicated that it does and so

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the decision basically is do you agree with staff determination and should they

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be approval be sent up to the City Council for final approval? One kind of

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The important distinction is that the planning and zoning board has final approval over

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tentative paths, which are more of kind of a rough sketch.

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And usually after a developer gets tentative plot approval, they'll go and do the engineering,

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they'll figure out where easements for utilities need to go, they'll come back with a final

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plot.

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And that is sent to the planning and zoning board, planning and zoning board looks at it.

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And only really it has recommending jurisdiction over it.

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they recommend that the City Council are approved or denied and the reason for that is usually that that goes up with some other relief that would be in the City Council's determination.

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But our code recognizes that sometimes there are very simple subdivisions like this one where you're just taking a lot, you're dividing it, or the next one where you're taking three lots and consolidating them.

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In that case, you don't have to split it up, you can do tentative and final together.

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And so, procedurally, the, I believe staff determined that the way we read our code is that there are actually two boats that you should take, one would be to approve the tentative flat and then two to recommend the final all in one and then send it up to City Council.

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Did that kind of hit the high points of what you were looking for?

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That was perfect. Yeah, that was exactly what I was looking for.

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Yeah, I'm happy to answer any questions and Jane is also here to answer any questions you have about the property.

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Thank you.

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Is there any further discussion on this matter?

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Is there anyone here that has questions or is either in favor of or poses this request?

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Doesn't it appear to be the case?

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Do I have a motion?

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motion by Mr. Weaver? I move that we recommend to the City Council, their final, their approval

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of the final plan of subdivision.

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It's been moved by Mr. Weaver, seconded by Mr. Catalano. Ryan, could you please call the roll.

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Member Weaver.

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I, member Catalano.

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I, member Foller.

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I, member Selenic.

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I, member Vremus.

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Hi.

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Chairman Zavill.

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I will write a recommendation to City Council.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you all.

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I appreciate your help.

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Thank you so much.

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Next case this evening is case number 23-055-F-Platth-622-Graceland-1332 and 168-Weppard

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is a petitioner present.

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If you could state your name and your mailing address, please.

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We'll do a good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the Board.

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my name is Katrina McGuire with the lawfices of Thompson Coburn, with offices at 55 East

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Monroe, Chicago, Illinois. I'm here this evening on behalf of the applicant and owner,

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Milo Residential Graceland property LLC. If I could just hold you up when. Oh, sure.

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Are you the only one giving testimony this evening? Um, I anticipate that I will be the only one,

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but in the event, we have questions if you'd like to swear in the other witnesses. That's really good.

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If I could ask anybody who potentially could give testimony to a step up and raise your right

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hands please, in the case before you this evening, you swear to tell the truth the whole truth

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and nothing but the truth so up your God. I do. Thank you very much. You can proceed.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As I was saying, I'm here on behalf of the applicant and owner of my

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little residential bracelet property LLC. We are as noted in the agenda here before you on a combined

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tentative and final plat of subdivision for the property in order to consolidate the three parcels into one

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as contemplated by your ordinances. We are not seeking any variations or exceptions from the subdivision code.

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This project, as you know, is a familiar one for the city of disciplines and we are proposing

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essentially to consolidate these parcels to move forward with the development is contemplated

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and is approved by zoning. I have nothing further in our sort of direct presentation,

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happy to answer any questions that the board might have.

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Thank you very much.

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A little change in the venue if the city could summarize the staff report, please.

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Okay, today we're going to take a look at a combined tentative and final part of subdivision

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for the Properties at 622 Grayson Avenue and 1332 and 1368 Webford Avenue.

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So just to recap, this property is located at the corner of Grayson and Webford.

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It contains three separate parcels at this time.

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One is a drone top expiling in parking lot at 622 Grayson and 1368 Webford.

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And the former city of display is parking lot at 1332 Webford,

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which is now owned by the Fetisher.

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Properties a little under one acre in size,

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and its zone C5 central business district.

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These are site photos of the signs that replace

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on the property within seven days,

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or actually say more than seven days from the meeting tonight.

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You could see the three signs located

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on the corner of Grace on Webford,

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one at the parking lot,

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and one at the northern corner of the site by the railroad tracks.

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Just a recap on the subdivision

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and the public improvements are involved with it.

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But obviously the over an all-incent of this

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to consolidate three existing lots of record into one, but they are also looking to make some

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public improvements, which would include installing and replacing streets, gaping along

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Greece and Westford in front of the development, along both of those streets, as well as separating

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the existing combined storm and wastewater system for the entire block, 13-hour block of

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Westford, as well as repraved and widened Westford in front of the development and repair portions

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of Westford Avenue in Greece.

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This is an overview of a tent of supply and subdivision instead of

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And Sam, I'm going to cover some of the, some of the ash wool items that need to be on the

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plat.

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You can see they're highlighted in colors here, so I'd like to north there on scale and the

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blue, the title, legal description.

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All that stuff is required for subdivision to go through.

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You can see at the bottom right hand corner, the surveyer has stamped and certified that everything

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is drawn accurately, the ownership information is down below in the red.

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Taking a look at just a lot of information, you can see the lot boundaries are highlighted

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red. This will be the boundaries of the new lot one once consolidated. You could see the green boxes

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are where the actual monument or iron posts are located on the site. There's still those

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are noted on the plan. The orange you can see all the setbacks as well as the lot areas themselves

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of where the existing parcels are, which will, like I said, be consolidated. The page one of the

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that summarizes the total area of the plot once it is consolidated.

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And then you can see in blue there are street names and connections that are also part

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of the subdivisions to showing where the actual subdivisions located as well as how any

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proposed development the future would be accessible from the streets.

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This is utility information, so obviously a lot of the existing utilities of this site will

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We worked for a new development.

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Green shows the new proposed utility lines.

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These are also included in your will serve letters that are in the packet that show that

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utility companies will serve services property.

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And you can see in blue these are existing public utilities that are located in the street.

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So which will be altered or improved upon as part of this subdivision.

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So just a brief overview of the file engineering plans.

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You can see that these are kind of a highlight of the public improvement. So as we talked about the road work, as well as the streetscaping, these are all shown here on the engineering plan and highlighted on the slide for ease of viewing.

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So taking a look, staff has one recommended condition of approval.

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And that is regards to street lighting, making sure that street lighting is updated and meets the public works in engineering departments, sets of expectations.

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and before any issuance of Billino right away permits.

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So that is a one-conditional approval.

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Your actions for tonight are to take a look at the

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at the TANF-plata subdivision,

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as well as the final part of subdivision

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to be forwarded to city council.

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And as it was mentioned,

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you have full approval on the TANF-plata of subdivision,

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and the final part will go to city council

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for their final determination.

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And I'm here for any questions that you may have.

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Thank you very much.

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Does anyone on the board have any questions for you to the petitioner or staff?

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I have one.

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Mr. Weber?

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If these parcels are combined and then subsequently somebody, or the owner of the property,

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may want to subdivide it again, do they need to subdivide it on the same property lines?

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Could they come in with a new proposal that changes the property lines?

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The previous case that we heard was the pre-easy case of divide down the middle everything works.

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I'm kind of wondering what the options are here if there's a change in mind of how the property is used.

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Is that a question someone can answer here?

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Yeah, so in regards to any new subdivision requests in the future,

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there would have to come before you as a separate request.

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And regards to what type of, like, how it can be arranged.

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There's a couple different options for a developer.

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There's no specific lot with requirement for the C5 district,

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so they would not have to do a certain square footage,

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like the previous property, which was R1.

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And R1, any interior lot, has to be at least a P5 feet wide,

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or it has to get a variation.

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Cornelot would have to be 65 feet, but those rules are not something

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that are actually applied to the C5 district.

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there's no specific lot with requirements.

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However, it still have to meet the minimal lot

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depth of 125 feet, as well as the items

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that we discussed in this report, a new car is a flat.

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Making sure it has all those details that are required

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for the solution regulations.

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OK, thank you.

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Ms. Fowler, you have questions?

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A couple of questions.

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What is the width between the building

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and the dance building, that little pathway?

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How wide is that?

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Let

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me take a brief look here.

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The petitioner might have a better answer.

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I believe it's.

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Is it five feet?

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Oh, there's a five foot utility easement.

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That's on the.

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Right.

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It's just a path.

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Okay.

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Is it a patch of my five feet?

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Okay.

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So my question to you is.

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I'm looking at the men of from the fire chief,

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but it's dated May 16th.

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And that was done when we assumed that the petitioner was going to purchase the dance building

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and since he has backed out of purchasing that building, how does that affect the fire study

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in this project?

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I feel like this should be updated before we go further.

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So, I did have a chance to speak with Dave Schoen who is our fire chief and he had concluded

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that not only is the information and that letter is still accurate, but actually the fact

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that that's of all is actually one less story.

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It does make it even easier for them to

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to service that ability in the case of emergency.

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So one less story and how will the access

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that story from web-ford then, I'm confused.

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What can they get through if I feed to help people

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who are in the back corner by the tracks?

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Well, I will say this is not part of the purview,

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I will answer that they will access it from Webford Avenue with the letter truck that they have.

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So the letter truck can access the furthest, I'm directionally challenged today.

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North, right? The tracks are north.

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It can access the roof which gives the access to the building.

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Again, I think this is really a big mistake not to update.

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since this project has changed. Originally the whole point of the big dance building was

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to turn it into a park and it would provide that buffer and now we have five feet and I just don't

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think this holds up anymore. I feel like we should get a new I think it should be looked at again

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as is. Just to clarify the premise of this request is for the subdividing or the

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It's a consolidation of three lines of sound.

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It does not have anything to do with the development.

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So the fire letter was put in there as a reference,

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but it's not part of the purview for tonight.

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Joe Taylor.

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So thank you.

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So prior to my contract with dance building,

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the fire department actually determined that the fire access

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was allowed because we extended the building south towards Webford.

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So I don't think there's a floor plan of the actual building.

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The fire chief signed off on that plan prior to us,

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even attempting to acquire the dance building.

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So that memo that you're referring to is not accurate.

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It's, it's, it's accurate.

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I agree. It's not accurate.

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Well, it's accurate because it doesn't have anything to do with the dance building.

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So the fire chief, already made the determination prior to that, that the design that's currently

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designed is meets fire code.

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So the accurate within.

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But you and GoodFace said you were going to buy the dance building.

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So what happened there?

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That I'm not prepared to answer that question right now, that's where we're out of that.

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Okay. No, but okay.

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Okay. Any other board members have any questions at this time?

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I just wanted to comment. I think there were some concerns about the placement of the signage.

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For this, I think there were some, there were some public questions about the sufficient sea of the signage.

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I would note that the state law does not require that any signage.

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be placed on a property when it's for subdivision, what our code requires is, and I'll just read the

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on.

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I'll read what the subdivision regulations say about notice is that at a time of light here,

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here we go.

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A conspicuous sign shall be posted on the subject property at least seven days prior to the planning and zoning board meeting.

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and which the platform will be considered for tentative approval.

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In this case, a science or place on both the web-ford and the Grayson frontage, there was

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some, I guess there was an issue that one of them was kept blowing over and public works,

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public works, prepares the science and I don't know if it was the wind, I don't know if it was

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the ground.

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One of the science stayed up consistently and the all the provision requires is that it

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posted on the subject property, the subject property is considered the entirety of all three properties

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for this. So they were in full compliance. I will also state that the property has been a

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little bit of a hazard. Nobody was, Jim, anything about the sidewalk. My older son on his way to

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law school almost felt twice. So as a good neighbor, that would be really nice if you can maintain

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the property. There are signs all over. It looks pretty terrible right now.

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Thank you. Any further questions for the petitioner or for the staff? The staff report's been entered.

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Do I have anyone here that has questions or is either in favor of or a post of the sub division of this property?

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Good evening. Good evening.

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I'm Tom Love Strand. I signed up somewhere.

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If you could raise your right hand please.

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And the case before you this evening is where to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth, so I hope you got it.

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I do. Thank you.

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So I just want to do, based on member followers comment, and one to go back to a couple of fire department,

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memos that went out.

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The first being from January of 22 in which they identified two options that would need to be implemented in order for the building to meet.

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and I want to point this out, fire code. They then went into a fairly extensive listing of the issues

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within the existing fire code that needed to be reconciled or remediated. That same year,

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they then sent Chief Anderson then sent a letter to the council, indicating that they had worked

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with developer, and said that they'd create

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acceptable access points to the west side of the building.

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I think that's what you've raised

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is that the access to the west side of the building

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no longer exists as this letter was written in May of 22.

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Secondly, there's a comment made

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that the design met the fire codes.

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And excuse me, that is not

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what the letter from the fire department said,

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what it actually says is that it met required building codes.

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So I think your point is well made,

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it might be worthwhile to go back

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and check with the fire department to see if it indeed

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really met fire codes, or if, as the memo here says,

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it nearly met building code.

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The International Fire Code is considered part of our building codes.

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Before I go any further, are there quite a few of you that want to ask questions or get

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testimony?

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Well, if I could ask you all the rides, I'll sway you all in at the same time.

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Whether you change your mind and you don't want to testify, that's fine.

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Anyone else?

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In the case before you this evening, you swear to tell a truth to the old truth and nothing

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but the truth is not if you got whoever'd like to go next could step up.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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And I signed in 1333 WebPert Avenue.

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I have a couple of questions.

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I was kind of hard to see on the prints that were shown.

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For you guys, but also for the developer,

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I'm curious to know, is the generator still being installed?

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WebPert Avenue?

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I guess my question is, how are we improving streetscapes on WebPert Avenue?

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If we're going to be putting in the generator?

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My next question is I'd like to not understand what size the generator is, are we talking 14KW, 32KW, natural gas, diesel,

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so we don't know that.

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So we don't know if it's going to be diesel with an underground storage tank, is it going to be following an FPA 110 for a weekly monthly generator testing?

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Hopefully if it's a belly tank, it's going to be following an APA-30.

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What I'm getting at is this is a residential street.

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Why are we going to put a generator on web for a new on a residential street?

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Developers got money, put the generator inside the parking garage.

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Put it against the north side, against the train tracks.

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He can enclose it in this center block wall.

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He can exhaust it out to the side there.

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Don't let him tell you that they can't be done. Don't, it's pipe, it's wire, it's break, it can be done.

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He's working with Village, Violington Heights. I think that project's been put on old twice now because he's working with the city.

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So again, if you put conditions in, I would suggest putting a condition in to move the generator.

454
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:06,430
Maybe put that on the roof or put it in the garage.

455
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:16,010
The other thing is, I know a couple of months ago, I think you guys put conditions in for the three restaurants that are going in, and I think it was for signs.

456
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:23,470
Again, being by residential, if something is illuminated, there's houses right across the street from the parking garage.

457
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:25,270
Don't make the signs illuminated.

458
00:36:26,090 --> 00:36:28,430
We're residential. We're no different than what the restaurants are.

459
00:36:29,690 --> 00:36:30,490
That's all I got.

460
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:31,450
Thank you.

461
00:36:32,610 --> 00:36:33,030
Thanks.

462
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:35,650
Can we get answers to any of those questions?

463
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:44,270
Well, if we could probably have the petitioner answer all the questions after some of the residents

464
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:47,610
state their concerns, would anyone else like to speak?

465
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:56,610
Good evening, Deb Lester, 596 webford.

466
00:36:58,130 --> 00:37:05,250
Yeah, just to follow up with the last comments this afternoon, I did take a look at all the

467
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:17,770
to hide things because the developer are the city in conjunction with the historic nature

468
00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:24,130
of the property that surrounds it, work together to come up with a plan and from the original

469
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:29,970
plan of the developer is vastly different. I did look at some of those plans and that generates

470
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Major is being placed at the back of the building. There are no garage entrances anywhere near the residential district. The pool has been moved, which the city requested, so that the pool would not face or disturb the residential neighbors. It's now overlooking a parking lot.

471
00:37:53,360 --> 00:38:04,940
And they put in a dog run, which I'm not sure if all of that still has to be worked out with the city in order for the plans to move forward.

472
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:13,980
They put in a 17-foot dog run in the back of the property right next to an existing building, so none of that would disturb the neighbors.

473
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:19,140
We're not seeing any type of cooperation with that.

474
00:38:20,140 --> 00:38:28,340
And so I also have a question if we follow the NFPA-214, which requires the developer to

475
00:38:28,340 --> 00:38:38,700
have specific plans with the fire department to make sure that if the fire should occur during

476
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:47,140
construction that there is a plan in place. There have been many of these buildings going up

477
00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:58,860
with wood and they have been completely demolished and set the other neighboring buildings on fire from the

478
00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:07,200
numbers. So there are specific recommendations in NFP 2014 and we'd like to make sure

479
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:13,500
that those are followed at the time and that there are adequate resources to protect

480
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:21,180
the neighborhood so that that doesn't occur. So those are some of my comments. I just have a

481
00:39:21,180 --> 00:39:27,760
question. If you could go back to the one slide that had the yellow, I'm not quite clear what that

482
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:35,260
yellow marking on the plant is, or that.

483
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,540
What are those goldish yellow?

484
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,640
This is the streetscape installation.

485
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:44,560
Okay, so that's on the sidewalk.

486
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,840
Correct.

487
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:50,100
And when this is approved,

488
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:54,600
it's solely from what you explained what is for

489
00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:02,340
the subdivision, it is not for the building and things could be changed if necessary.

490
00:40:02,700 --> 00:40:10,900
I'm still very concerned that there is not going to be any clearance with this building being built

491
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:17,040
two inches from the sidewalk along Graceland. The people will be able to see on coming traffic

492
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,420
when they're pulling out from Webford on to Grasland.

493
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,240
Unlike the Welcome Project,

494
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,540
that is all surrounded by stoplights.

495
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:34,320
So people turning in and out are regulated by the stoplight.

496
00:40:34,820 --> 00:40:37,740
When you're coming, traffic coming down Grasland

497
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,600
never stops from either going east and west

498
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,320
a minor in turning down to Grasland or coming from the north

499
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,320
on to Grasland.

500
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:55,360
So the only time you have traffic that's actually stopped is when the train, the train signals are down and a train is coming.

501
00:40:55,980 --> 00:41:06,000
So there's very little opportunity for people to see the site triangle, which was mentioned many times in the contour saws development project.

502
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:08,380
It's never been addressed.

503
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:16,100
No one has ever told us that this is going to be safe because that building is going to

504
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:21,640
be built right up to the corner and maybe we should take some of those public hearing

505
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:29,100
signs and put them right at the corner and block that corner and let's see how much people

506
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:35,360
can really see when they're going to try to look to their left in order to make a right

507
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:50,820
turn. So we also had when over the meeting minutes from way back in 2014, your April 23 meeting

508
00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:59,540
minutes where Mr. Taylor was questioned with regard to the Welkin property. And we note that

509
00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:05,620
last contours laws, property traffic report, which you also had when you reviewed contours

510
00:42:05,620 --> 00:42:12,700
laws, may mention of the fact that in their traffic analysis, they had to take account

511
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:23,080
into account the fact that Welkin had their date of their publications September 28th, 96 units

512
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,600
that were unoccupied.

513
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:33,640
So with that, I have copies of it if you'd like to see that directly from the package that you had.

514
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:41,140
I question between that and the 54 other apartments you've approved for counter-saws.

515
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:45,460
Why we need another 131 apartments?

516
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:52,680
The Welkin, even if you look at their MLS listings, it's vastly different from what Mr. Taylor

517
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:59,680
represented back in April when he would ask, if one of your members asked, if it's built,

518
00:43:00,180 --> 00:43:06,840
will they come? And Mr. Taylor replied, oh yes, this will be least up in 12 months.

519
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:14,440
It's obviously not least up in 12 months. He also said that this would attract young people

520
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,680
with disposable income.

521
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,860
If you look at any of the MLS listings right now,

522
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,880
they all have the on them that the welcome is now

523
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:31,740
accepting applications with people with 550 credit scores.

524
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:35,840
A 550 credit score by TransUnion,

525
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:41,740
experience our all considered very poor rapport.

526
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:49,680
There was just a report out from the government that because the people's credit card limits are so high.

527
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Credit card companies are now pulling back on the amount of credit that people have.

528
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:02,100
So if you had a $5,000 dollar limit, they're now scaling that back.

529
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:10,760
How much disposable income are these people going to have with a $550 dollar, $550 credit score?

530
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:20,660
If we're trying to improve downtown and bring people in who will spend money in our downtown area, I don't see how that's going to work.

531
00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:33,460
So, we question, you know, the answers that we were given and what was told for the welcome, this doesn't seem to be any different.

532
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:42,600
So I just want to know if we are, if this still has to go through planned development with the

533
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:50,160
actionable construction or once the plan is approved, is he free to go?

534
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,080
That's a question for us to have, early.

535
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,240
So to clarify, the request tonight is solely for the consolidation of three lots into one.

536
00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:59,960
it does not.

537
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,920
I approve the bill in itself. The billing will have to be reviewed by staff and meet all requirements of billing codes, fire codes, any code that it relates to the bill in itself.

538
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:14,520
And will residents be involved in that and the construction management plan?

539
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:25,340
I noticed I'm one of these documents that you had published that the construction entrance is going to be on the far west end of the property.

540
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:33,920
is that set in stone where is the construction trailer going to be? Where is the dumpster

541
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:41,740
one he's taken out debris from the fifth floor, the sixth floor? Where is all that going

542
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:46,360
to go with? He's developing this on every square into the property.

543
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:52,520
So that is something that the plans comes for through billion per hour will have layout and

544
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:57,840
we're all that's going to be located. It is a administrative review done by staff. It's not a public

545
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:04,800
hearing. Okay. And can the public look up those prints before they're approved and make comments?

546
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,600
Under FOIA, it's too correct me if I'm wrong, but under FOIA you have the opportunity to request documents.

547
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:16,410
Okay. All right. That's all I have. Thank you very much for listening. I appreciate it.

548
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:23,010
Thank you. And I'm sure the petitioner can answer some of those questions you raised also.

549
00:46:23,690 --> 00:46:25,450
If you could step up to the podium, please?

550
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:32,220
Jim Hanson, 1339, went for it.

551
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,920
So I get it. We're here to talk about final plan.

552
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:40,700
Not being approved or he fire code and all that stuff.

553
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,960
I do want to thank the attorney there for just supporting the whole bare minimum requirement about the zoning signs.

554
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:52,380
We need intent is to notify, but when they're faced down, point it in a way that nobody can see him

555
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:57,800
except in the rear of your mirror of their car, you know, as long as we hit the check box that they were up for seven days,

556
00:46:58,260 --> 00:47:00,400
bare minimum requirements, that's what we want in the city.

557
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,840
So thank you for that.

558
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:09,460
This is the opportunity for you guys to look at what the entire life span of this thing,

559
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,500
of where it started, all the changes that continue to come and go, and this is your opportunity

560
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:22,360
you'd get on the record so that when it starts to unravel and fall apart that you at least

561
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:31,340
did your part to say this doesn't belong here. He has shown nope, not he, the company has shown

562
00:47:31,340 --> 00:47:42,440
no ability to stay on with the original plans. They've decided that because we used our legal right

563
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:48,360
to contest this that we voiced our displeasure that this is going to be put across the street from our house.

564
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,100
I know all of you would have the same concerns if this would literally across the street from your homes.

565
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:55,520
You'd have a different opinion of it.

566
00:47:56,540 --> 00:48:00,540
The restaurant that was going to come and help downtown is now what a sandwich bar.

567
00:48:00,860 --> 00:48:05,980
It can, and the way he's building it, it can never be a restaurant because he's not putting in the exhaust and hood systems.

568
00:48:06,420 --> 00:48:11,380
So all these things that got us initially to say yes, yes, yes, they're changing.

569
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:14,460
So, it's going to go through, we know that.

570
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,960
He's going to take this the next step, the next step, it's coming.

571
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:19,760
What we need to do is we need to make him do it right.

572
00:48:20,380 --> 00:48:25,320
We need to let him know that in this town, you know the rules and you play by him.

573
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,880
You don't stand in the middle of the street and F5 the neighbors because they stood up against

574
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,240
you.

575
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,000
We lost.

576
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,400
We take it.

577
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,020
We lost.

578
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:40,560
But we don't need to be told how we got beat and how we should run to keep running to the PZB because

579
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:46,960
doesn't do us any good. This is the man that wants to come into our neighborhood. So he's

580
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,080
got to do it right in that construction management plant. John Carallel committed to me. I

581
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:57,420
know he's not here anymore that Phil and I would be involved in those conversations because

582
00:48:57,420 --> 00:49:02,740
it is right across this street from our house. And if one time my wife cannot get out of the driveway

583
00:49:02,740 --> 00:49:08,080
to go to her work in a critical care unit at a hospital because there's people parked there

584
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,880
or blocking that road, I'm calling 911 and we're going to have this enforced.

585
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:18,620
This is what you guys have to understand what is going to be like to live across this.

586
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,480
We live across the Welcome, while they were doing all of that work on it, and we had

587
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,980
to stuff going down the tubes, the disposal tubes at 530 in the morning, waking up the

588
00:49:28,980 --> 00:49:33,120
dogs, waking up the neighbors, and this went on for a long time.

589
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:40,880
They still haven't corrected that building. It still floods all over the place. There's ice and they have no

590
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,280
care concern about the people that walk there. Those are the people that he needs in that building,

591
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,740
renting the welkin and they're going to come and see his new building and he doesn't take care of the

592
00:49:51,740 --> 00:49:57,400
sidewalk. And the people from the welkin that walk their dogs walk on that sidewalk.

593
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,220
So he's kind of not met, if he's messing with us, he's not.

594
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,300
I don't walk on that side of the street.

595
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,940
I don't park in his lap.

596
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,340
I could care less whether he comes or goes.

597
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,540
But the people that he's trying to get to stand

598
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:14,300
these apartments move to these apartments,

599
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:16,440
if not setting a very good example for them

600
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,360
if he's trying to get hit at us.

601
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,880
So just keep this all in mind.

602
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,420
I understand this is going through.

603
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,480
I'm not here to argue all of those things.

604
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:36,340
One thing about, if he does not go through with this project, the zoning will be reverted by the city council, it'll be petitioned in the zoning will go back, so I don't know if that changes back into the original

605
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:39,200
lot line set, U.S. set question.

606
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:49,520
So I don't know if that works that way or not, but the zoning will revert back to C3 if his project does not go through.

607
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,540
That's all I have to say, just do what's in your heart like I like you always do.

608
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,640
I appreciate you guys.

609
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:02,000
We know this is going to go through, but that doesn't mean you can't make him do the job the right way.

610
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:07,940
Is it possible to have a public hearing about final construction plans like we did in the past?

611
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:14,400
I mean, I will say I'm very impressed with what is the project I already forgot.

612
00:51:15,380 --> 00:51:26,520
Yeah, the contours saw they were fantastic to work with, they really took, you know, a lot of input from the community and really made some wonderful changes.

613
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:31,400
It's not too late, Joe Taylor, you can do that too and we will support you.

614
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:36,740
Okay, thank you, thank you for that look.

615
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,880
Thank you everybody, anyone else have any comments?

616
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:47,900
And the other questions are comments from the board, yes, Mr. Weber.

617
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:53,150
So I'd like to go back to the generator.

618
00:51:54,090 --> 00:52:02,470
But in saying that I don't feel it's really the place of the PCB to iron out the details

619
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:03,350
of a project.

620
00:52:03,810 --> 00:52:10,890
So what I'd like to hear from here is that we have staff that will deal with that question

621
00:52:10,890 --> 00:52:19,210
And we'll represent the city's best interest on placing the generator, sizing, and so forth.

622
00:52:19,510 --> 00:52:23,290
Who is that in our city government that does that?

623
00:52:23,550 --> 00:52:26,510
And will this be reviewed by them?

624
00:52:30,020 --> 00:52:34,840
So this will be reviewed by multiple departments when it comes through our billing department, fire prevention,

625
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:41,980
department, engineering, zoning, and any other department that's necessary to determine it means all the good requirements.

626
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:49,820
Who, which department would have the greatest interest in an electrical item like the generator, but that'd be engineering?

627
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:56,200
Building department, building department, which includes electrical inspectors, they look at all that kind of stuff.

628
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:08,700
Well, as a PCB member, I would like to say, it's really important to me to understand that a lot of people play their part in reviewing this project.

629
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:20,440
And while I understand this is a forum for public input, we have people who know much more than we do about the specifics of things like a generator.

630
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,960
and what are the implications of putting it in location A or B and whether it's two

631
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:31,100
big or two small and so forth. And I have to say, I think I can say perhaps on behalf

632
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:38,960
of my fellow board members, we rely on these folks to be doing their job and to make sure that

633
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,500
not only requirements are meant, but good judgment is utilized on issues like this.

634
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:57,440
We did, there was a question that you said we were going to hold off till the end about the generator for Joe Taylor, I'm, we didn't get it answered.

635
00:53:58,100 --> 00:54:09,160
I was going to give the petitioner a chance to respond to some of the residents after the comments from the board were pretty much finished.

636
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,400
Thank you, Mr. Weber. I need a question from the board.

637
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:26,740
Now I'll give the petitioner a chance if they would care to address some of the concerns of the residents in the neighborhood.

638
00:54:29,350 --> 00:54:33,990
Certainly Mr. Chairman again for the record Katrina McGuire here on behalf of the applicant.

639
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:40,690
And if I forget any that you would like me to address certainly remind me, I'm trying to focus

640
00:54:40,690 --> 00:54:44,990
on the matters that I think are within the scope and purview of tonight's hearing, but

641
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:48,610
I understand that community members have come forth and raised other concerns.

642
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:52,170
So we're obviously happy to try to address them as best we can.

643
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:57,870
Obviously, many of those we've heard throughout the course of these sort of approval processes

644
00:54:57,870 --> 00:55:02,570
for this project and we know that emotions run strong and people still have very strong feelings

645
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:07,590
about that. So I doubt we can answer everything to people satisfaction, but we certainly want to

646
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:09,810
address them as best we possibly can.

647
00:55:11,850 --> 00:55:15,050
I think on the, there was a question or concern,

648
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:19,790
Ms. Fowler, you raised about snow removal.

649
00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:25,880
The sidewalks, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. And Mr. Taylor

650
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,320
confirmed that that has been taken care of today. Today. But how many days were they frozen and snow

651
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,280
was on there, how many, 10 days?

652
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,900
Right, and so he acknowledges that that needs to be.

653
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:37,320
Because he was coming here tonight.

654
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:38,980
So that is not being a good neighbor.

655
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,960
OK, well, thank you.

656
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,540
It has been addressed and will be addressed more promptly

657
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:44,180
in the future.

658
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,100
As far as comments about fire comments in the past,

659
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:50,920
I think those were Memoranda that were issued

660
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,820
as part of the review process for the project.

661
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:57,080
Changes were made as part of that process

662
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,240
to ensure that the fire departments

663
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,100
concerns and comments were all addressed.

664
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:06,340
They have been throughout the fire department has indicated that we meet their fire safety

665
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:06,780
codes.

666
00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:10,800
They will again review at the building permit stage, that that is the case.

667
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:15,700
They have confirmed both in a written memorandum as well as to staff here that they have

668
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:19,100
no changes or concerns about this flat of consolidation.

669
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,100
So, I just wanted to state that on the record, that those that were being recited into

670
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:27,760
the record were comments, essentially old-scale comments that were prior, that was part of

671
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,280
review process that we're then addressed as part of the further design of the project.

672
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:40,120
That goes also to the concern about NFPA-214, which I have to respectfully say I don't know

673
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,940
what that states, but again, want to confirm on the record that this project will be required

674
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:51,480
to meet any and all fire safety codes that exist and certainly will not be built without

675
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,200
compliance of those.

676
00:56:54,260 --> 00:56:56,980
There's a concern raised about site-distance requirements.

677
00:56:57,300 --> 00:57:02,080
Again, I want to reiterate that those I believe are outside the scope of what we're here before today.

678
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,000
But again, that those were our site-distance requirements were met.

679
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:12,400
That was indicated in the traffic studies that were conducted in IDOT satisfied with those as well.

680
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:20,200
I think the generator question, again, as was indicated by staff,

681
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:25,260
Ultimately, it's location in sighting is going to be approved as part of the building permit process,

682
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:31,940
but it's location has been approved as part of the zoning plans along the way.

683
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,860
And I think that hopefully addressed, I tried to take notes of all the comments.

684
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:39,480
Were there any other comments that I didn't?

685
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:44,040
Is there a consideration of moving the generator to the back?

686
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:46,340
Why is that?

687
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:06,940
So I think it gives me a please limit your side talk. You can speak for the petition or outside if if you care to make no

688
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:09,840
I'd have to have to come back to the podium if you have other questions.

689
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,000
All right, so at this point the location of the generator is where it sort of

690
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:23,860
It is appropriately located based on the other utilities and so we'll be visible from the street. We'll be able to start a generator. Well, there are beams

691
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Do

692
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,000
you want to step up, why don't you step up, stay tuned for the record?

693
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Joe Taylor again, this, the, all the utilities there, transformers, switching, switch gear,

694
00:58:44,740 --> 00:58:53,940
generator, are all being screened by a masonry wall, by a request of the, of the city.

695
00:58:53,940 --> 00:59:15,260
So, we had done a metal screening wall and upon request from the city officials asking for it to be upgraded, so that said more hefty wall, it reinforced with rebar and concrete and it has a masonry front.

696
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:17,860
So, it matches the facade of the building,

697
00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:23,860
therefore, that was primarily for vision and for sound.

698
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:24,920
Attentuation.

699
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,920
Do you miss the chairman members?

700
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,180
Just the question, it's just a comment for the petitioner.

701
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:40,580
You know, there's sound block that could be applied

702
00:59:40,580 --> 00:59:44,380
to the inside of the generator room.

703
00:59:45,620 --> 00:59:48,200
The proud foot company is who makes sound block.

704
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:54,340
You may look into that, you know, you'd have the block on the inside, the brick, hopefully on the outside,

705
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,820
and that would mitigate any noise and the gentleman back actually nodded.

706
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,460
Well, I guess I know what I'm talking about. Would you like to make another comment?

707
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:05,960
I can stop up.

708
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:12,570
Again, I don't want to go back and forth and I know what we're here for tonight.

709
01:00:13,150 --> 01:00:17,850
One, the generator on the very first plan when the dance building was thought of, there was no generator.

710
01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:24,970
So what she just said is not true. The generator got added onto the prints once the dance building was not going to go through.

711
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:29,730
Don't let a developer tell you that the generator can't be moved.

712
01:00:30,170 --> 01:00:32,910
There's directional boring. I know what I'm talking about.

713
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:36,810
I oversee 2 million square feet of a pediatric hospital in Chicago.

714
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:41,050
I have generators underground and garage on roofs.

715
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:44,050
There's diesel fuelings. That's my question.

716
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:46,050
He can't even answer what kind of generator.

717
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:48,970
You don't even know what type of generator you're putting in.

718
01:00:49,590 --> 01:00:51,390
What? Okay. What type of generator?

719
01:00:51,810 --> 01:00:52,430
It doesn't matter.

720
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:58,570
It does so because when you go to a hundred and fifty hey W you have to go to diesel see this one I'm talking about

721
01:00:59,030 --> 01:01:03,270
Again, I don't want to do the back and forth, but what's bright is right? How is putting a generator?

722
01:01:04,310 --> 01:01:06,550
Improving streetscapes. I understand soundproofing

723
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:11,210
But if it's natural gas is it running weekly is it gonna do a low bank test?

724
01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:12,850
These are questions that again

725
01:01:12,850 --> 01:01:18,510
I appreciate your comments to Mr. Weaver and I think the city staff does need to look at this again

726
01:01:18,510 --> 01:01:23,610
And we know it's coming, I get it, it's rather frustrating for my house, but again, work with

727
01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:24,110
the neighbors.

728
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:29,710
You know, the staff is got your input and I think that's great because it's being directed

729
01:01:29,710 --> 01:01:35,490
to the right place, but I'll back way up and say, all we're hearing the night is actually

730
01:01:36,510 --> 01:01:37,390
the subdivision.

731
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:42,710
But it's a good thing you showed up because I'm sure they'll take your concerns and

732
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:43,210
they can consider it.

733
01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:46,330
Well, I mean, correct me if I were on, but so my can did right.

734
01:01:46,330 --> 01:01:48,630
I know you guys make conditions on certain things.

735
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:53,530
Can you make the condition of like you were saying that the location of the generator and also

736
01:01:53,530 --> 01:01:58,030
you made the conditions on the three restaurants of not having illuminated signs across from

737
01:01:58,030 --> 01:01:59,010
residential houses.

738
01:01:59,550 --> 01:02:04,190
Again, parking garage, right, he'll probably have illuminated signs like the walk and has.

739
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:05,910
Can you make that also a condition?

740
01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:07,110
Those are the things I'm asking.

741
01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:08,590
We get it's coming.

742
01:02:08,650 --> 01:02:13,750
I'll have to ask Mr. Weiss, but all we're hearing tonight really is a subdivision.

743
01:02:13,810 --> 01:02:16,210
It's a little different than other hearings we had.

744
01:02:16,810 --> 01:02:19,250
So, thanks for your time.

745
01:02:19,650 --> 01:02:21,070
Thank you very much.

746
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:24,900
I'd like me to respond.

747
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:30,600
I'm not aware of what the specific relief that was being asked for with regard to the restaurants.

748
01:02:31,300 --> 01:02:35,920
I don't know if those were a conditional use or if there were a specific issue with the signs.

749
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:44,820
But with a subdivision, really, the conditions need to be specific to the layout of a lot and not the improvements they're upon.

750
01:02:45,740 --> 01:02:46,900
Thank you very much.

751
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:56,780
But wouldn't the layout of the lot is that important how close the building to the West is that isn't that part of the subdivision?

752
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,460
I mean, that's a major issue. Five feet.

753
01:03:00,340 --> 01:03:03,880
We had somebody come up last meeting that needed.

754
01:03:04,340 --> 01:03:14,560
They wanted to build their house and if we have a 25-foot setback for residential and we're allowing a building to be five feet.

755
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:29,400
And just to, again, I went by the welcome building again by the Mexico restaurant, if you see that pathway between it's just, it's just bad design is building needs to be

756
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:41,360
You need to really rethink the scope of the size of this we know what's going in we all agree it's going to happen, but five feet from the end of the building to the dance building

757
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:47,480
That's part of the, but this, then that is part of this tonight. It really is important.

758
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:54,620
Well, I, I do not believe that any variation was requested for the side lot for this building.

759
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,600
This building is going to be in full compliance with the C4, the C5 requirements.

760
01:03:58,980 --> 01:04:03,180
I think one of the issues is that the dance building is a non-conforming building.

761
01:04:03,580 --> 01:04:08,780
And if you were to build a new building on that lot, it couldn't be built that close to the lot line.

762
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:14,180
And which does create, which can create when you put two buildings close together,

763
01:04:14,300 --> 01:04:20,880
but you can't penalize a new building being developed that is complying when it has a non-conformity next to it.

764
01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:22,560
And that's one of the issues.

765
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:28,640
I understand, but maybe this is not to the letter of the law, but when this was approved,

766
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,460
when this, you know, when it was approved, it was because the dance building was not going to be there.

767
01:04:34,460 --> 01:04:39,660
This whole project, the scope of it, is changed with the dance building be there.

768
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:46,960
There are people on this board that approved, recommended approval because the dance building was going to be gone.

769
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,340
And you know who you are.

770
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:55,460
So that has changed the scope of this project has changed because the dance building is going to be there and it's going to be five feet.

771
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:02,560
We can't get away from that. So I don't see how we can approve voting this tonight.

772
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:07,320
I just don't understand that.

773
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:18,100
I would just have to say that the City Council, in the end, originally requested a

774
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:24,280
condition that that property be included in the development and then the City Council

775
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:31,680
changes his mind and the City Council decided to remove that condition and nonetheless zone

776
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:43,260
the combined property into C5, these three lots exist in C5 now and they are, and so really

777
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:49,740
the question is, are we just scrubbing the lot lines tonight? That is the question that

778
01:05:49,740 --> 01:05:54,000
is before you and the recommendation that you will make.

779
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:03,840
Comment? Mr. Weaver. So I think for a lot of the details that aren't strictly a question of

780
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,740
Combining the parcels

781
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:13,400
This process can take a long time based on the history of this project some things will continue to change

782
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:21,900
If we wait to combine the parcels until all of our departments and all the public input have finalized all the details

783
01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:38,380
We won't have combined parcels, perhaps for a very long time, and I think that's because we've taken this out of sequence, and I think we have to respect what Stewart is saying, and that the issue tonight is the combining of the parcels.

784
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:51,880
I, despite of what other people have said here, and I think the input is very good, but I think that some of the remaining issues really need to be

785
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:59,800
address by a process that should be already going on. We'll continue to go on. Our city

786
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:06,540
departments need to stay on top of these issues, but this seems the logical time to

787
01:07:08,220 --> 01:07:14,960
January 23 to make a decision about combining the parcels. Thank you, Mr. Weber,

788
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:20,620
any further discussion? I just want more questions to staff. So what is the next process?

789
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:27,660
Let's assume this gets approved tonight or obviously not tonight, but let's say let's

790
01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:28,960
pre-what are the next steps.

791
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:45,000
So, the next step after approval of our recommendation to city council from your from the board is that city council review and finalize a their proof or deny the request. And then after that is approved, then they would start with the building permitting.

792
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:53,860
Should we would review from staff the staff level administratively and confirm that all the code requirements are met for the structure and the improvements that are going to be on the site.

793
01:07:54,580 --> 01:07:58,180
And what is the time frame usually for something like that.

794
01:07:58,180 --> 01:08:02,180
This is a larger project so it's hard to tell the exact time frame.

795
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:06,260
It could take a while to get through and make sure all of the comments are addressed.

796
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,540
And all the codes are addressed in the development itself.

797
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,880
But staff will continue to work with the petitioner and their development team throughout that process.

798
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:24,280
And in the meantime, can they remove the buildings that are on site while we're waiting for this process?

799
01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:29,300
So, they would, obviously, one of the steps would be to demolish the existing billions on site,

800
01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:32,820
but they would obviously want to get through this step first before doing that.

801
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:37,820
But, if they get through the step, they can start demolition, correct?

802
01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:44,380
Well, I mean, they could, they could demo today, but the intent is that they can get the subdivision approved first.

803
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:49,100
And then...

804
01:08:49,100 --> 01:08:51,220
There is a permanent process for demolition, right?

805
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:52,700
Correct. Yeah, they would get a permanent start.

806
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:57,920
Yeah, they would get a permit from us and from Cook County to demo the property, but they can apply for that today.

807
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:07,720
And then during that process, they'll check the building if there's a specialist and needs to be treated correctly and just demolished correctly, is that what you're saying?

808
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,960
That's part of Cook County's process.

809
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,940
The demolition permits are required to go through Cook County.

810
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,460
Is that right, Jonathan?

811
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,360
Yes, thank you.

812
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:25,560
County would what appropriate is there both Cook County and local demolition permits required and remediation of any materials such as this best this is part of Cook County's process.

813
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,360
Okay, great. Thank you.

814
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:35,880
Are there any other steps that will come before the PZV or this is the last thing that we will be addressing?

815
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,020
Well, this would be the last thing for any entitlements.

816
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:43,340
They would as I said, they would still have to go through permitting and make sure that all the code requirements are.

817
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:45,680
Anything else to come to us again?

818
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,560
No, not unless they request anything else.

819
01:09:54,130 --> 01:09:57,270
If there's no further discussion, do I have a motion?

820
01:09:58,130 --> 01:09:58,930
Mr. Waver?

821
01:10:00,850 --> 01:10:03,790
I'd like to make a motion that the PZB

822
01:10:03,790 --> 01:10:06,430
approves the tentative plan of subdivision.

823
01:10:08,370 --> 01:10:11,390
It's been moved by Mr. Waver, do I have a second?

824
01:10:11,490 --> 01:10:12,910
Second by Mr. Solednik?

825
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:15,250
Ryan, could you please call the roll?

826
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:17,490
Member Waver.

827
01:10:17,490 --> 01:10:24,170
I member Sletnik member Catalano member Fowler no member Vremus

828
01:10:24,170 --> 01:10:27,870
Hi, Chairman Zoddo I the tentative

829
01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:30,670
plan of subdivision has been approved will write a recommendation

830
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:35,710
City Council do I have another motion yes Mr. Waver I

831
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:41,370
move that the PZB recommends approval by the city council of the final

832
01:10:41,370 --> 01:10:46,390
plan of subdivision subject to condition number one proposed by the staff

833
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:48,730
and draft it in the package.

834
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:50,230
Yeah, I should back up.

835
01:10:50,230 --> 01:10:52,630
We approved the tentative.

836
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:57,010
We don't need to be recommending the tentative also.

837
01:10:57,170 --> 01:11:00,450
So tentative, you final approval, since this is concurred,

838
01:11:00,590 --> 01:11:02,770
then a separate motion to approve the final.

839
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:06,950
We don't always do it this way, but this is technically

840
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:09,550
it is correct that a motion to recommend

841
01:11:09,550 --> 01:11:13,770
the final platform approval by city council would be in order.

842
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:15,010
I should read the condition.

843
01:11:15,010 --> 01:11:20,090
the condition reads that the construction level street light and detail is required in the attached

844
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:26,190
engineering memo is provided and approved by the PWE department. That's public works in engineering.

845
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:30,250
Prior to the issuance of any building or right away permits.

846
01:11:31,710 --> 01:11:34,550
Thank you. It's been moved by Mr. Weaver. Do I have a second?

847
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:38,430
Seconded by Mr. Soletnik. Ryan, could you please call a roll?

848
01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:40,690
Member Leaver.

849
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:42,150
Members of that, Nick.

850
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:43,490
Member Catalano.

851
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:44,970
Member Fowler.

852
01:11:45,310 --> 01:11:45,410
No.

853
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:46,610
Member Vremus.

854
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:48,230
Chairman Zambo.

855
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:52,590
I will write a recommendation to City Council.

856
01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:59,210
That concludes case number 23-005-F-plat.

857
01:12:01,500 --> 01:12:02,620
Next case this evening.

858
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,020
I think Stewart is going to leave us.

859
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,740
So we'll give it a little time.

860
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:08,860
Thank you very much.

861
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:22,140
The next case this evening is case number 23-047-B, address commonly known as 1183 South River Road, is a petitioner present?

862
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:33,420
Good evening.

863
01:12:34,380 --> 01:12:40,930
If you could state your name and malign address, please?

864
01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:46,490
Yes, my name is Katherine Coons, my mailing address is 1183 South River Road.

865
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:50,530
Are you the only one giving testimony on your behalf this evening?

866
01:12:51,450 --> 01:12:56,150
Yes. If you could raise your right hand, please. In the case before you're the saving, you

867
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:59,850
just want to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so I'll be

868
01:12:59,850 --> 01:13:01,390
glad. Yes.

869
01:13:01,610 --> 01:13:06,950
Please explain your request to the board and I appreciate your patience sitting through

870
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:07,890
the first case.

871
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:20,340
You're welcome. But I have a fence. It runs down both sides of my property to the north

872
01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:22,080
end to the south of the property.

873
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:29,620
The south side of the property, the fence, well both sides

874
01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:35,460
of the fence are quite old, but for whatever reason the south side of the property wasn't

875
01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:49,070
disrepair. So I had the fence replaced and refurbished to be consistent with the fence that

876
01:13:49,070 --> 01:13:56,510
I was replacing, so both sides of the fence would match if that makes sense.

877
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:59,370
That's perfect sense to me.

878
01:14:01,570 --> 01:14:04,130
Did anyone complain about your fence?

879
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:07,350
Only when it was in disrepair.

880
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:11,610
After you repaired it, was there any complaint about the repaired fence?

881
01:14:12,010 --> 01:14:12,490
No.

882
01:14:12,890 --> 01:14:18,050
No, I was congratulated by some of my neighbors on how nice it was.

883
01:14:18,050 --> 01:14:23,810
And your immediate neighbors are the ones that it congratulated you on your new friends?

884
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:24,430
Yes.

885
01:14:24,430 --> 01:14:26,030
Oh, thank you.

886
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:32,860
Kind of a cut and dried case.

887
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,820
Do I have any questions from many board members?

888
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,080
Yes.

889
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,140
Mr. Weber?

890
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:38,960
When did you acquire the property?

891
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,480
It was about

892
01:14:51,370 --> 01:14:53,170
1990.

893
01:14:53,170 --> 01:14:59,970
The fence was standing when we bought the...

894
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:07,300
We'll need about the House. Who requested the sense permit in 1990 was that you were the previous owner?

895
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,940
It must have been the previous owners, because the fence was standing when we moved into the house.

896
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:20,400
That timing would suggest that the fence went up right before it was sold to you.

897
01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:25,080
But the report says that there was a permit issued in 1990.

898
01:15:25,940 --> 01:15:27,020
That was not to me.

899
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,700
How did this case come before this board this evening?

900
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,540
Did the city? I think the city

901
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,260
Yes, the final inspection

902
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,640
Put the fence in the wrong way. Right,

903
01:15:54,350 --> 01:15:54,930
the fence looks nice

904
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,680
It yes, it does

905
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,620
Even though I think the side with the pole has more character to be cut out

906
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:08,920
Well, and and there could be in if the other side of the fence looked like that

907
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,280
I would have done it that way.

908
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,480
It just made sense to me.

909
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,460
I don't know, you know.

910
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:20,670
Could I have a brief recap on the staff report, please?

911
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:25,210
Yes, so today we're taking a look

912
01:16:25,210 --> 01:16:27,910
at a majorization for a fence design at 1183.

913
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:29,830
South Displains were a road.

914
01:16:30,370 --> 01:16:31,870
So we've overcap over the property.

915
01:16:32,930 --> 01:16:34,190
The, it's improved with a single family residence.

916
01:16:34,190 --> 01:16:35,910
It is located within the floodway.

917
01:16:36,530 --> 01:16:37,970
So a property area is a little,

918
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:39,990
it's one in a quarter acres

919
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:42,870
and property of zoned R1 single family.

920
01:16:44,210 --> 01:16:49,170
So, just a review of the sign or just a defense requirements in regards to design.

921
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:55,630
Location of posts specifically requires that the location of post should face the subject property

922
01:16:55,630 --> 01:17:00,990
and the finished side should face neighboring properties as you can see in this picture here.

923
01:17:01,970 --> 01:17:04,250
Just kind of showing there.

924
01:17:04,690 --> 01:17:08,490
These are site photos of the property of the public notice sign on the top left

925
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:13,550
And then a view of the property from the front, and then you can see the existing fence on the bottom two pictures.

926
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:23,250
1990 there was a fence permit. It was approved with the condition that the finish side of the fence faces joining lots.

927
01:17:23,670 --> 01:17:28,710
It was installed incorrectly with the finished side facing inward towards the subject property.

928
01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:37,040
On 2022, there was a fence permit approved to repair a section of fence that had fallen to this repair.

929
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:46,880
Staff did see that receiving a complaint regarding the fence, and so the petitioner did apply for it and get an approved permit.

930
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:54,460
One of the conditions of the improvement was that the finish side of the fence would have to face the adjoining properties.

931
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:00,680
and December there was a field inspection by staff because the fence was installed incorrectly.

932
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,740
Staff did notify the owner to correct defense or apply for a variation.

933
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,540
There were several warnings that were issued and the citation that was issued in May.

934
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:17,660
I'm going to demonstrate here in date scheduled which has been tabled based on the outcome of the variation request.

935
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:20,600
Thank you very much.

936
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:27,760
Do I have anyone that has questions about this request that are either in favor of a reposes this request?

937
01:18:31,870 --> 01:18:35,290
Do I have any discussion or questions from the board?

938
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:36,670
Ms. Varemes?

939
01:18:51,290 --> 01:18:55,030
My neighbors, the Reverend Richard Malone, as wife Rita, did approach me.

940
01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:57,570
They asked if I wanted them to come.

941
01:18:58,290 --> 01:19:05,490
And I was like, I couldn't see any reason why I would inconvenience on that way.

942
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:12,390
And they were fine with the fence the way it is.

943
01:19:14,130 --> 01:19:17,610
And so there's a fence on the north and the south.

944
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:19,250
What's on the back of your lap?

945
01:19:19,530 --> 01:19:20,430
Is there a fence?

946
01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:22,410
It's the river.

947
01:19:23,070 --> 01:19:23,390
Oh, river.

948
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:26,940
So.

949
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:29,520
Thank you.

950
01:19:30,540 --> 01:19:31,580
Mr. Salatnik?

951
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:35,800
Yeah, just some basic clarification and for the record discussion.

952
01:19:37,580 --> 01:19:46,580
The side of your lot on either side primarily faces the back of the lots that are either

953
01:19:46,580 --> 01:19:48,500
side of your house with that correct?

954
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:49,060
Yes.

955
01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:57,220
So the incorrect part of the fence is facing the rear of the properties of the adjacent properties.

956
01:19:58,180 --> 01:19:59,100
Make that point.

957
01:19:59,780 --> 01:20:02,720
And have any of your neighbors complained about what they see?

958
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:03,560
No.

959
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:07,740
They mostly have landscape to write up to it.

960
01:20:08,460 --> 01:20:10,960
So they virtually can't see it.

961
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:12,260
Thank you.

962
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:18,320
Any further discussion?

963
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:21,900
Was this house a fire, a fire house at one time?

964
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:23,220
Yep.

965
01:20:23,420 --> 01:20:27,420
My understanding from the Historical Society is that it was a brickyard.

966
01:20:28,100 --> 01:20:28,920
Oh, brickyard.

967
01:20:29,180 --> 01:20:31,940
I'm exempts with Whitcome was the brickyard.

968
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:33,400
Mm-hmm. Okay, thank you.

969
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:37,440
Any other questions or comments from the board?

970
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,740
If not, do I have a motion?

971
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:45,250
Ms. Fowler?

972
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:56,570
I motion. We approve a major variation from section 128-2.D of the zoning ordinance to allow

973
01:20:56,570 --> 01:21:01,910
a fence assigned with the finished side of the wood facing towards towards the subject

974
01:21:01,910 --> 01:21:06,830
property instead of the finished side facing neighboring properties as required.

975
01:21:07,630 --> 01:21:09,890
It's been moved by Ms. Father, do I have a second?

976
01:21:09,950 --> 01:21:11,250
Second, do I have Mr. Weaver?

977
01:21:12,010 --> 01:21:13,510
Second question? Oh, sure.

978
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:16,150
Just want to ask, did you want to include the staff condition?

979
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:18,470
Oh, thank you.

980
01:21:18,670 --> 01:21:22,790
And did you also want to say that we were recommending city council approval?

981
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:24,990
I says, obviously the council.

982
01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:31,680
The condition approved, but did you see the condition of approval?

983
01:21:33,460 --> 01:21:36,220
That the fence is altered as necessary to be in

984
01:21:36,220 --> 01:21:45,960
informants with all regulations in title 14 flood control and just planes

985
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:51,040
municipal code for variants is granted by the director of public works in

986
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:51,920
engineering.

987
01:21:54,980 --> 01:21:56,760
Can we explain that in kind of layman's

988
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:02,480
shortly. Yeah, I'm a little confused. Maybe a little of the properties in a flood

989
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:06,360
way so there are restrictions on what structures can be built within a floodway or

990
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:12,560
blood plane, and those are detailed in our title 14, which mirrors the FEMA requirements.

991
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:20,000
So anything that as additional layer blocks the flow of water can obviously have negative

992
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:24,900
effects, so they do restrict the, what can be constructed there?

993
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,060
And if there is something constructed there, like a fence, it does need to be elevated

994
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:29,980
It's certain, so that, um...

995
01:22:31,660 --> 01:22:32,220
So,

996
01:22:34,650 --> 01:22:40,670
essentially, this condition is making sure those regulations are met because, say, it does have to maintain

997
01:22:40,670 --> 01:22:44,030
understanding with FEMA and making sure those rules are adhered to.

998
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:52,050
So does that mean the fence needs to be raised or some pickets need to be removed?

999
01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:03,440
So, the engineering division did originally approve the 2022 permit, as long as the location of the fence and the height

1000
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:10,540
clearance of the fence from the bottom from the adjacent grade is the same engineering has previously approved this

1001
01:23:10,540 --> 01:23:14,060
their inspection will be part of the close out of this issue

1002
01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:21,740
if the variation should be approved to confirm that it's the same as it was before if so no additional work would be required

1003
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:25,820
and just a clarification this is in a flood plain but not in the flood way

1004
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:30,960
this isn't a flood way it is in the flood portions of the property are within the flood way

1005
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,480
That's why I asked about pickets being removed and think being raised.

1006
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:43,340
Well, if I could say, the house never wasn't the floodway or floodplain until Hurricane Katrina.

1007
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:50,220
Well, then everything changed, and we had to buy flood insurance.

1008
01:23:50,740 --> 01:23:52,980
And we never had to before.

1009
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:57,360
And the house is never, ever flooded ever.

1010
01:23:58,660 --> 01:24:00,400
This has nothing to do with the case.

1011
01:24:00,580 --> 01:24:03,820
How many feet from the river is your house located?

1012
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,400
The river of your house?

1013
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:06,560
Um...

1014
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:07,880
Just...

1015
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:08,600
Roughly speaking.

1016
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,440
Like a football field?

1017
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,520
Like a football field?

1018
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:17,420
Around?

1019
01:24:17,780 --> 01:24:18,520
Maybe not that.

1020
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,100
I don't know.

1021
01:24:19,220 --> 01:24:19,940
I don't have any.

1022
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,020
I guess I could look at my drawing.

1023
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:24,240
300 feet?

1024
01:24:24,460 --> 01:24:24,840
Well...

1025
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:25,300
300 feet?

1026
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:27,440
It's great.

1027
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:28,280
It's never flooded.

1028
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:32,360
up there's no further discussion that's been moved in seconded

1029
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,600
Ryan could you please call the roll?

1030
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:38,080
Member Follard.

1031
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:38,440
I.

1032
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:39,680
Member Weaver.

1033
01:24:39,940 --> 01:24:40,020
I.

1034
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,180
Member Catalano.

1035
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:42,800
Member Sletnik.

1036
01:24:43,580 --> 01:24:44,280
Member Vremus.

1037
01:24:44,340 --> 01:24:44,660
I.

1038
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,700
Well, whether recommendation the city council.

1039
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:49,820
Thank you.

1040
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,140
Very much for coming in.

1041
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:53,480
Thank you for your time.

1042
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,970
Next case this evening is case number 24 dash.

1043
01:24:59,530 --> 01:25:04,230
zero, zero, four, dash, b, nine, fifteen, alfini, drive,

1044
01:25:04,570 --> 01:25:05,630
as petitioner president,

1045
01:25:16,540 --> 01:25:17,180
Arthur Guzz.

1046
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:17,760
Arthur Guzz.

1047
01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:19,280
Arthur Guzz.

1048
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:19,820
Arthur Guzz.

1049
01:25:19,820 --> 01:25:20,240
Arthur Guzz.

1050
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:25,660
If you could please both raise your right hands.

1051
01:25:25,900 --> 01:25:28,080
In the case before you, the evening is where to tell the truth,

1052
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:30,520
the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, self you got.

1053
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:31,060
I do.

1054
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:32,080
I do.

1055
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:32,100
I do.

1056
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,040
I do.

1057
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:37,620
and our contractor and architect are also here if that you had any technical questions I don't know.

1058
01:25:37,620 --> 01:25:39,900
I think it's step up. I'm sure they're going to testify.

1059
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:41,780
Sure.

1060
01:25:51,190 --> 01:25:53,290
If you could state your names for the record.

1061
01:25:54,130 --> 01:25:56,590
John Birdo with Kembal Architects.

1062
01:25:57,370 --> 01:26:00,970
Steve Kazinski, owner of S.P.K. Builders.

1063
01:26:01,370 --> 01:26:05,070
If you could raise your right hands please, in the case before it is evening,

1064
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:07,010
you swear to tell a truth to the whole truth.

1065
01:26:07,390 --> 01:26:09,170
And nothing but the truth stop you again.

1066
01:26:09,170 --> 01:26:13,750
You could be seated, and then if we have questions, we'll get back to you.

1067
01:26:15,860 --> 01:26:18,000
If you could explain it or request to the board, please?

1068
01:26:18,660 --> 01:26:18,940
Yes.

1069
01:26:19,820 --> 01:26:23,340
So, 9.15, Elfini Drive is our home, we are owners and residents there.

1070
01:26:23,420 --> 01:26:26,920
We've looked to about nine years, and we are looking to add onto the back of the home.

1071
01:26:26,980 --> 01:26:29,220
There's a current family room addition that we're looking to remove.

1072
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,960
It's about 11 by 14 feet, I want to say.

1073
01:26:33,380 --> 01:26:36,420
And we're looking to add a family room, bedroom, second fold bath.

1074
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,100
That's currently a two bedroom, one bath home.

1075
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,180
Looking to turn it into a three bedroom, two bath home.

1076
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:42,760
and we are looking to maintain a single story of living.

1077
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:47,980
So our variation request is to cover technically 32.34% of the lot,

1078
01:26:48,260 --> 01:26:50,180
and that exceeds the 30% that's allowed.

1079
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,280
I'm sorry, you say 32.34.

1080
01:26:55,420 --> 01:26:56,680
And that includes the cannabis.

1081
01:26:57,260 --> 01:27:01,660
1.41% is the front and rear door cannabis.

1082
01:27:14,430 --> 01:27:16,070
Any questions from the board?

1083
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:24,190
Samantha, are you going to summarize the staff report?

1084
01:27:24,730 --> 01:27:25,510
Mr. Rogers?

1085
01:27:26,650 --> 01:27:35,990
Thank you Mr. Chairman. This is probably my 500th zoning variation in my career, but my first inaugural presentation to the city of this place.

1086
01:27:38,610 --> 01:27:43,370
The applicant is requesting a zoning variation for the subject of property.

1087
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:46,010
The existing conditions are shown in the photos.

1088
01:27:46,010 --> 01:27:53,450
As the applicant described, all of the existing improvements are exist on one story.

1089
01:27:54,170 --> 01:28:01,890
The applicant is proposing to remove and existing room addition from the rear of the residents to construct a new room addition to the rear of the residents.

1090
01:28:02,690 --> 01:28:08,110
All told, the site plan shows the footprint of the existing areas under roof.

1091
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:12,670
The area in red would be the existing addition to be removed in the areas in green.

1092
01:28:12,670 --> 01:28:15,070
comprise the proposed additions.

1093
01:28:15,570 --> 01:28:18,790
The addition to the front is a covered entryway,

1094
01:28:19,550 --> 01:28:21,690
whereas it's opened on the sides.

1095
01:28:22,290 --> 01:28:25,270
The additions to the rear are enclosed except for the entrance

1096
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:29,010
at the northeast corner, which is an entrance into the building.

1097
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:32,270
The applicant provided all of the required plans

1098
01:28:32,830 --> 01:28:34,070
survey and elevations.

1099
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:39,350
The specific request is relief from section 12, 7, 2,

1100
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:41,070
J, and regard to building coverage.

1101
01:28:41,070 --> 01:28:46,410
where for an interior lot in the R1 district, the maximum coverage of 30% is permissible.

1102
01:28:47,330 --> 01:28:53,530
As the applicant outlined, the proposal comprises 32.34% of the existing lot area.

1103
01:28:54,010 --> 01:28:59,250
2.34% overage is approximately 167 square feet.

1104
01:29:00,150 --> 01:29:05,790
The applicant in their materials on pages 12 through 14 of the materials distributed to the board,

1105
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:10,670
outlines the justifications for their requests and staff summarizes those in

1106
01:29:10,670 --> 01:29:20,410
on pages 4 through 7. If the board is amenable to approval of the request, staff recommends that

1107
01:29:20,410 --> 01:29:24,850
the conditions as listed on the slide and in the report be included in any motion.

1108
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:32,930
The board's action this evening, it would be to approve, approve subject to conditions, continue,

1109
01:29:33,130 --> 01:29:37,950
or deny the standard variation request, and the action by the board would be a final determination

1110
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:43,870
on this request. I can try to answer any questions as the Zoning variation applies to the code

1111
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:49,350
in the applicant can answer any questions related to their proposal. Thank you.

1112
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:50,950
Thank you very much.

1113
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:59,070
Have any questions from anyone on the board?

1114
01:30:00,820 --> 01:30:06,540
Just a comment that I think the presentation that we have before is very thorough, very detail.

1115
01:30:07,220 --> 01:30:09,060
Would you like to see our slideshow?

1116
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:09,960
Sure.

1117
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,300
Would you like to see our slideshow?

1118
01:30:12,440 --> 01:30:12,880
Sure.

1119
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,440
Well, there's a rendering, a digital rendering, at least, of what our proposed home would look like from the

1120
01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:18,840
front.

1121
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,260
That's also an image there of what our current neighborhood looks like.

1122
01:30:21,380 --> 01:30:24,460
So there's our house in the middle top on the right, and it shows just our neighborhood of

1123
01:30:24,460 --> 01:30:26,340
all other largely single story homes.

1124
01:30:26,700 --> 01:30:29,640
The majority of our neighborhood is not very large.

1125
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,920
they're all modest homes and these plants all are in line with that.

1126
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,020
There's a lot more slides but you don't have to.

1127
01:30:39,810 --> 01:30:41,430
Mr. Weaver makes a good point.

1128
01:30:41,650 --> 01:30:47,690
A lot of times people come in here and they're not anywhere prepared with drawings or anything.

1129
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:50,870
So that's great.

1130
01:30:51,030 --> 01:30:52,150
I commend your architect.

1131
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:53,510
Any further discussion?

1132
01:30:56,840 --> 01:30:57,620
Mr. Slaynick?

1133
01:30:58,420 --> 01:31:06,240
I just have a comment that what they're proposing doesn't seem overly large.

1134
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:14,880
from the street frontage and is in scale and character with the neighborhood and I'd be in

1135
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,540
favor of the variation.

1136
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:24,100
We have other discussion, do I have anyone here in favor of their proposal, anyone objecting

1137
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:27,480
their proposal, do I have a motion,

1138
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:30,330
Mr. Weaver?

1139
01:31:30,650 --> 01:31:37,350
I move that we approve the standard variation request subject to the two conditions proposed

1140
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:38,970
by staff.

1141
01:31:39,490 --> 01:31:40,970
It's been moved by Mr. Raver.

1142
01:31:41,250 --> 01:31:42,430
Do I have a second?

1143
01:31:42,510 --> 01:31:44,230
Second by Mr. Raimus.

1144
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:47,010
Ryan, could you please call the roll?

1145
01:31:49,140 --> 01:31:49,700
Member Weaver.

1146
01:31:50,340 --> 01:31:50,480
Aye.

1147
01:31:50,740 --> 01:31:51,540
Member of Raimus.

1148
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:51,840
Aye.

1149
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,020
Member Catalano.

1150
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:53,420
Aye.

1151
01:31:53,820 --> 01:31:54,400
Member Fowler.

1152
01:31:54,620 --> 01:31:54,880
Aye.

1153
01:31:55,420 --> 01:31:56,140
Member Sletnik.

1154
01:31:56,340 --> 01:31:56,580
Aye.

1155
01:31:56,780 --> 01:31:57,540
Chairman Zabba.

1156
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:01,160
Are we final on this one?

1157
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:01,660
Yes.

1158
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:03,560
If you have any questions,

1159
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:07,080
you can get a hold of Samantha or Jeff

1160
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,060
and the community development department.

1161
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:11,180
Great, thanks for your time.

1162
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,260
Thank you very much.

1163
01:32:12,300 --> 01:32:12,900
Thanks, John.

1164
01:32:20,050 --> 01:32:22,950
The next case this evening is...

1165
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:24,970
Thank you, everyone.

1166
01:32:25,810 --> 01:32:26,250
Thank you.

1167
01:32:31,710 --> 01:32:35,070
Case number 24, that's 002,

1168
01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:37,810
that's B, 15 or four.

1169
01:32:38,170 --> 01:32:40,710
Oakwood Avenue, when you are Max Larson.

1170
01:32:40,730 --> 01:32:41,010
Yes.

1171
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:43,110
You could raise your right hand, please.

1172
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:44,990
In the case, before you this evening,

1173
01:32:45,150 --> 01:32:46,870
you're swear to tell the truth, the whole truth.

1174
01:32:46,870 --> 01:32:48,930
And nothing about the truth, so help you, guys.

1175
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:51,810
And you're going to explain your quest to the board, please?

1176
01:32:52,410 --> 01:32:52,490
Sure.

1177
01:32:52,690 --> 01:32:54,410
So thanks everybody for your time.

1178
01:32:55,170 --> 01:32:58,190
You know, it's getting a little late, so I'll try and keep it concise.

1179
01:32:59,710 --> 01:33:05,870
What I'm hoping for tonight is a variance on a setback requirement

1180
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:10,130
for our corner lot in order to install an eight by ten

1181
01:33:10,130 --> 01:33:13,570
wood frame garden shed for our family.

1182
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,100
You've read the sign post it obviously, have any of your neighbors

1183
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,180
inquired as to what you're doing?

1184
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:28,680
No inquiries.

1185
01:33:29,140 --> 01:33:32,380
We haven't noticed a lot of people slow down and take a look at the sign,

1186
01:33:32,980 --> 01:33:34,160
but I think that's just curiosity.

1187
01:33:35,340 --> 01:33:39,040
So I have spoken with all of our nearby neighbors,

1188
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,860
our next door neighbor, Ray Erdal, across the street,

1189
01:33:43,860 --> 01:33:54,680
are neighbor rich and then behind us are neighbor Craig as well. And nobody has had any issues with this shed or the shed cuts.

1190
01:33:56,180 --> 01:33:58,700
Thank you for that.

1191
01:34:01,330 --> 01:34:03,390
Any questions from the board members?

1192
01:34:04,910 --> 01:34:10,350
Yeah, could you discuss why you chose to put it at the front of the lot rather than the rear lot?

1193
01:34:10,350 --> 01:34:12,670
because adjacent to the garage, there's some space.

1194
01:34:13,410 --> 01:34:15,790
That's a good piece of obvious at the intersection

1195
01:34:15,790 --> 01:34:16,510
like it is now.

1196
01:34:16,810 --> 01:34:18,670
Yeah, that's a fair point.

1197
01:34:19,530 --> 01:34:26,010
It is my wife and my decision to put it there,

1198
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:30,950
because our five-year-old has taken quite an interesting

1199
01:34:30,950 --> 01:34:31,510
gardening.

1200
01:34:32,650 --> 01:34:36,090
She's not allowed in the garage for obvious safety reasons.

1201
01:34:36,890 --> 01:34:40,270
But we do think it's fair to let her have her gardening tools

1202
01:34:40,270 --> 01:34:48,470
in said shed, having it there allows us visibility, you know, while we're inside, we can keep an eye on her and in there.

1203
01:34:49,190 --> 01:34:55,610
That being said, adjacent to the garage, would also work well, and maybe better.

1204
01:34:56,230 --> 01:34:59,390
And be less visible at the intersection.

1205
01:34:59,810 --> 01:35:00,170
Great.

1206
01:35:02,290 --> 01:35:04,470
What kind of foundation do you have one of the building?

1207
01:35:04,850 --> 01:35:05,130
So it's a...

1208
01:35:05,130 --> 01:35:07,270
No, it's how easily you can you move it.

1209
01:35:07,270 --> 01:35:21,570
So it can be moved. I guess easy is a relative term, but it is the 6-inch gravel bed, and then it has a 4x4 construction with OSB on top of that.

1210
01:35:22,290 --> 01:35:25,450
So no cement or permanent foundation there.

1211
01:35:25,690 --> 01:35:29,130
So it's on a, on a skid if you will, timber skid.

1212
01:35:30,150 --> 01:35:32,050
So you could maybe move it would it come along?

1213
01:35:32,710 --> 01:35:36,350
Yeah, maybe tasting creativity or hiring people that know what they're doing.

1214
01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:38,670
but yeah, I would have seen it could be milk, merely.

1215
01:35:40,050 --> 01:35:42,770
I am a neighbor admittedly, and it's visible

1216
01:35:42,770 --> 01:35:46,650
from the intersection, and that's quite disturbing.

1217
01:35:47,190 --> 01:35:48,150
Got it.

1218
01:35:48,330 --> 01:35:49,010
Just for the record.

1219
01:35:51,450 --> 01:35:52,410
Disturbing visually.

1220
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:57,180
It's like right there.

1221
01:35:57,940 --> 01:35:57,980
Right there.

1222
01:35:57,980 --> 01:35:59,220
Yeah, honestly, it's not going to eat.

1223
01:35:59,220 --> 01:36:01,660
Go to eat, hang over the fence, even.

1224
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,000
Yeah, it's bigger than we thought it would be.

1225
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,200
So lessons were certainly learned there.

1226
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:17,860
If it is approved to stand the same spot or, you know, even if it gets moved by the garage we would do our best to make it blend in with the neighborhood.

1227
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:22,940
We've done color sampling on the outside of the house and the trim.

1228
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:26,680
We'd be happy to to color match it 2,000.

1229
01:36:27,860 --> 01:36:36,920
But also, you know, like you stated, moving it to the north, northwest corner, what else?

1230
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:44,880
Well, where there's an alley and a utility box on the street, so it'd be along with all the other utilitarian type things.

1231
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:45,540
Right, right.

1232
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:49,620
Whereas in the front of your lot, it looks kind of out of place.

1233
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:50,040
Yeah.

1234
01:36:50,500 --> 01:36:50,860
Thank you.

1235
01:36:53,220 --> 01:36:55,560
So your plan is to paint it.

1236
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,240
So it's certainly going to be painted.

1237
01:36:59,380 --> 01:37:04,180
If or there, the priority was to make it blend in as much as possible, right?

1238
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:04,660
Absolutely.

1239
01:37:04,660 --> 01:37:09,880
If it's next to the garage, I think we would do the same thing, just to make it blend in.

1240
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:16,080
So, yeah, either way it will be painted, it's just a matter of what shade of gray it will be painted as well.

1241
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,640
But you're asking for a display obviously, that's your first choice.

1242
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,480
That would be my first choice.

1243
01:37:22,340 --> 01:37:26,360
Now the backup choice is we're discussing by the garage.

1244
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:29,580
It would still require a variance for the setback.

1245
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,880
It would be able to be moved slightly further into the property, but it would be about five feet.

1246
01:37:37,620 --> 01:37:45,320
So it would be about three feet closer, further from the property line, and it is today.

1247
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:56,940
And being a quorum a lot, it does require a ten foot setback. So it would be a five foot, five foot variance setback.

1248
01:37:59,550 --> 01:38:02,670
You requested a permit before you put it up?

1249
01:38:03,930 --> 01:38:05,910
Another one in the lessons learned.

1250
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:10,630
Didn't really think there are too much.

1251
01:38:10,630 --> 01:38:12,650
Based on not being a permanent foundation.

1252
01:38:13,650 --> 01:38:16,150
And of being in the yard, we didn't pull it up.

1253
01:38:16,190 --> 01:38:17,570
But was denied.

1254
01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:24,170
So this is the, so there's no permit pulled initially.

1255
01:38:24,170 --> 01:38:29,650
And so this is sort of doing things in reverse order, I guess.

1256
01:38:33,450 --> 01:38:37,610
So the application for a permit came after it was already on the property, correct?

1257
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:50,360
I'm thinking about the options of putting it on the property with out it being in the side yard,

1258
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:52,060
which is essentially in the backyard.

1259
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:58,000
And it seems the size of it would indicate that it will fit somewhere.

1260
01:38:59,540 --> 01:39:03,740
What did you see as options for avoiding the side yard requirement?

1261
01:39:03,740 --> 01:39:13,740
So, and I'm not well-versed in the terminology, maybe that other slide would be...

1262
01:39:14,440 --> 01:39:20,240
Because the so-called Northwest Alternate Location, is it within the time you decide your...

1263
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,900
Our backyard, as we would consider it, is the top half.

1264
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,120
Basically, that's the Fenston area.

1265
01:39:29,620 --> 01:39:30,800
Between the house and the garage.

1266
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:43,940
So the two places where we would consider it to be viable would be where it's noted there next to the house turn location or on the northern side next to the garage.

1267
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:46,620
That's not what I'm asking about.

1268
01:39:46,820 --> 01:39:49,640
I'm asking about putting it in the backyard.

1269
01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:51,400
Not initiated area.

1270
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:53,640
Yeah, so I took some pictures.

1271
01:39:54,020 --> 01:39:56,160
I think they're on the slides here.

1272
01:39:56,160 --> 01:40:04,820
Okay, so the northeast corner has a brick walkway.

1273
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,520
I can continue this brick walkway, it goes around.

1274
01:40:08,100 --> 01:40:10,800
There would need to be interrupted and ripped out.

1275
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:16,940
It's false, so you can't see much growing there, but that's our oldest child's personal

1276
01:40:16,940 --> 01:40:17,520
and gardens.

1277
01:40:17,740 --> 01:40:19,920
We'd have to rip that out as well.

1278
01:40:21,220 --> 01:40:25,960
It would also, and I should have taken better pictures, but we have one large

1279
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:33,920
train our backyard, the nice dogwood tree. One of the main wins kind of extends that direction

1280
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:43,060
as well, so we would need to cut that out. So while that is technically an option, it would

1281
01:40:43,060 --> 01:40:49,000
be pretty tough for us to make that modification for the shed.

1282
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,240
Well, I'm thinking that a structure

1283
01:40:58,240 --> 01:41:04,840
will last longer than your children being very young and restricted from certain locations

1284
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:10,900
and encouraged in others. That's right. The structure could be in place in some place

1285
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:11,960
a very long time.

1286
01:41:13,220 --> 01:41:19,900
I do want to point out that 70% of the structure is blocked by the fence so and it's not

1287
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:28,220
a clear fence so I think I personally don't have a problem. You're keeping it there if you

1288
01:41:28,220 --> 01:41:32,180
difference. It sounds like it'd be a lot of work, and you'd have to

1289
01:41:32,180 --> 01:41:37,760
tear out that nice brick long way in a tree. It doesn't seem to make any sense to me.

1290
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:39,700
Please get that on the other side of the garage.

1291
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:42,460
Sure. It's a more open area.

1292
01:41:43,260 --> 01:41:44,740
And it's basically on the alley.

1293
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:46,560
And it's on the alley. Yes.

1294
01:41:46,940 --> 01:41:51,960
And the other thing that you don't show in your plan is how far away is this

1295
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,140
shed from your condensing units. You've got condensing units over there and it needs

1296
01:41:56,140 --> 01:41:58,640
open air to ventilate properly, so you're actually

1297
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:03,060
hindering the efficiency of the ability to cool your

1298
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:03,480
coolant.

1299
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:04,460
Yeah, you can say that.

1300
01:42:04,620 --> 01:42:06,320
You're like right on top of your condensing unit.

1301
01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:07,540
That's a fair point.

1302
01:42:07,660 --> 01:42:08,580
Not a prudent thing.

1303
01:42:08,860 --> 01:42:13,740
So it's 16 inches, I believe, about looking it up.

1304
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,640
But certainly, the more airflow the better for AC and so,

1305
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:18,460
no disagreements.

1306
01:42:19,380 --> 01:42:23,300
But they're two air conditioned units side by side, right?

1307
01:42:23,300 --> 01:42:25,520
And they're both up against them.

1308
01:42:26,580 --> 01:42:30,320
Yeah, it's tough to tell in the bottom of my mind.

1309
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:31,940
There's one behind it then.

1310
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:32,720
That's true.

1311
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:34,220
Two ACNs.

1312
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:35,160
Right.

1313
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,420
I can just imagine the reaction of your air conditioning country.

1314
01:42:39,820 --> 01:42:39,980
Yeah.

1315
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:41,160
I'm glad you're back.

1316
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:42,420
Would not be happy.

1317
01:42:43,700 --> 01:42:44,340
Fair points.

1318
01:42:44,780 --> 01:42:46,600
That's why I asked about the foundation.

1319
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,780
I think you do have space by the garage.

1320
01:42:49,780 --> 01:43:00,860
And I think that appropriate, come on, you can get that thing relocated, and along and you'll be much more satisfied.

1321
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,880
I like it in the back too.

1322
01:43:05,220 --> 01:43:06,100
I drove by there.

1323
01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:08,100
It looks a little odd being the front.

1324
01:43:08,460 --> 01:43:08,820
It does.

1325
01:43:09,260 --> 01:43:10,050
No, I agree.

1326
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:11,020
I agree.

1327
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:13,480
Just like generator should be in the back.

1328
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:14,080
I agree.

1329
01:43:15,860 --> 01:43:16,100
Yeah.

1330
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,500
No, it should be consistent if we're going to, you know.

1331
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:25,840
I own experience with air-conditioning units is that workers need space and you're giving them

1332
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:33,520
16 inches. That's not right. Yeah, I mean, well, we just need to get into the space back on the

1333
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:39,320
conversion unit. Yeah, the fancies are removable on the back, so we can do it, but I mean, all of the

1334
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:45,880
points that everybody had made are excellent and I don't disagree with that. And I think the shed would be

1335
01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:51,740
are easily moved, it really would be so. Any other discussion from the board?

1336
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:56,480
Yeah, you could put pipe underneath the skids and then you could pull it would have come along.

1337
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:02,660
PVC or metal? No metal. Yeah, kind of it, would you could roll it right? Yeah, yeah.

1338
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:08,560
Would he have to come back again? If that's a case or can we approve it if he does,

1339
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,620
with a condition that it's moved? So he doesn't have to come back?

1340
01:44:12,620 --> 01:44:18,520
I think I would likely be more comfortable or staff, but more comfortable, we continue this

1341
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:23,780
to the next meeting, unfortunately, and then we have time for all of our other staff

1342
01:44:23,780 --> 01:44:28,580
to review it before it comes before you again, so if that is your interest, we could go

1343
01:44:28,580 --> 01:44:34,000
come back on February 13th and have it placed a new location and make sure that our building

1344
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,340
fire and engineering departments are all good.

1345
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:39,400
That sounds great to me.

1346
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:46,360
I'd be in favor of that, and I think the real location would be a lesser degree of variation

1347
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:52,240
request, but he still would need the variation, but it wouldn't be as much, and it'd be

1348
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:56,860
an a lesser of truce of the visual location than now, and it'll have maintenance clearance

1349
01:44:56,860 --> 01:44:58,340
for your condensing unit.

1350
01:44:58,340 --> 01:44:59,840
So this is continued.

1351
01:45:02,820 --> 01:45:11,780
So you could make a motion to continue it to a date certain so that would be February 13th. If that's the date, you'd like for him to come back.

1352
01:45:19,010 --> 01:45:21,010
I could so move.

1353
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:25,370
It's been moving about Mr. Slyanick to continue this case.

1354
01:45:25,390 --> 01:45:30,970
Has that continuous also direct the staff to look at the rear sides?

1355
01:45:31,690 --> 01:45:35,690
Based on our recommendation that they move the building to the rear.

1356
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:37,730
I'll second that.

1357
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:39,990
It's been moved by Mr. Slyanick.

1358
01:45:40,730 --> 01:45:42,390
Seconded by Mr. Weaver.

1359
01:45:43,110 --> 01:45:44,830
Ryan, could you please call the roll?

1360
01:45:45,550 --> 01:45:46,330
Members, Slyanick.

1361
01:45:46,330 --> 01:45:46,670
Aye.

1362
01:45:47,250 --> 01:45:48,250
Member Weaver.

1363
01:45:48,670 --> 01:45:48,750
Aye.

1364
01:45:48,970 --> 01:45:49,630
Member Catalano.

1365
01:45:50,430 --> 01:45:50,950
Member Fowler.

1366
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:51,690
Aye.

1367
01:45:52,110 --> 01:45:52,910
Member Bremis.

1368
01:45:53,970 --> 01:45:54,650
Chairman Zavill.

1369
01:45:55,470 --> 01:45:55,490
Aye.

1370
01:45:57,370 --> 01:46:01,750
This case has been moved to February 13th.

1371
01:46:02,530 --> 01:46:03,090
Thank you very much.

1372
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:04,530
Thank you.

1373
01:46:09,810 --> 01:46:09,830
Thank you.

1374
01:46:10,990 --> 01:46:11,370
Excuse me.

1375
01:46:11,970 --> 01:46:11,990
Excuse me.

1376
01:46:12,610 --> 01:46:13,130
Excuse me.

1377
01:46:14,450 --> 01:46:16,070
Excuse me.

1378
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:22,080
Excuse

1379
01:46:27,420 --> 01:46:28,140
me.

1380
01:46:28,140 --> 01:46:31,520
So we have something happening on the fifth, that's been...

1381
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:37,620
Yes, so there will be an I'll send an email, let me double check the date.

1382
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:45,800
So February 6, yes, we are planning to do legal training, it will, we will have it over teams,

1383
01:46:46,100 --> 01:46:51,980
like people can come in person but we'll also have it available over teams and we will discuss if

1384
01:46:51,980 --> 01:46:57,640
people aren't able to attend or watch the teams whether we can send you any documents or any

1385
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:03,480
according afterwards. I'll follow up with an email after this meeting. That will be happening

1386
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:10,940
on the 6th and then we are also scheduled to pump. I will update you on the location. It's

1387
01:47:10,940 --> 01:47:15,380
harder to do a team's meeting in these chambers and then our other room also doesn't have

1388
01:47:15,380 --> 01:47:19,800
good video conferencing so we might do a different conference room but I'll let you know and we'll

1389
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:22,880
agenda posted. What was that? That's what I asked.

1390
01:47:25,660 --> 01:47:27,320
I also want to follow a blessed

1391
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:32,740
our conversation from last meeting about creating a style branding guideline for developers.

1392
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:39,360
What is the process to kind of get that moving or what what are what can is there anything

1393
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:50,200
we can do about that at this point. So at this point and Jeff can fill in a little bit

1394
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:58,480
in March. We can discuss that idea then too and we can kind of contemplate what the

1395
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:02,620
style that I might look like and what that involves and just have can answer any questions.

1396
01:48:03,940 --> 01:48:09,860
I would add only that it's really up to the commission to recommend what to do with that type of

1397
01:48:09,860 --> 01:48:16,440
document whether to formalize it as a design guideline expectation for the development community

1398
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:24,080
to clarify in which districts those requirements should apply and ultimately any formalization

1399
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:27,320
of such a document would ultimately be approved by the City Council.

1400
01:48:28,660 --> 01:48:32,360
So it's really, we'll put the ball in your court after we present some materials.

1401
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:36,640
If you guys could provide some feedback to staff, if necessary, we'll provide additional

1402
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:42,980
research and options and move toward a document that you would tell us what to do with.

1403
01:48:42,980 --> 01:48:48,560
And then, will we ever open it up to public feedback or it's really not us, is there?

1404
01:48:49,060 --> 01:49:04,840
Yeah, that would be an item that would eventually be formalized in a way if it's the board's desire to be presented at a meeting and then a recommendation to potentially prove it as a resolution and design guidelines to be applied formally to future projects.

1405
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:10,420
There are already some architectural requirements in the code, many of which are varied

1406
01:49:10,420 --> 01:49:14,820
as a minor variation at the pervue of staff.

1407
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:20,360
It could extend into single family, what this time we're primarily focusing on commercial

1408
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,260
multi-family building materials.

1409
01:49:22,740 --> 01:49:26,580
Ultimately, when you see the draft document and have comments, we would like to hear what

1410
01:49:26,580 --> 01:49:29,280
you would like to do with it and what direction to take that.

1411
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:34,100
also object to City Council, additional input and review for the City Council.

1412
01:49:34,920 --> 01:49:34,940
Great.

1413
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:37,200
Thank you.

1414
01:49:40,410 --> 01:49:41,990
So just one thing.

1415
01:49:43,410 --> 01:49:45,990
I've got to do a lot of traveling in the next few months.

1416
01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:51,950
So I cannot make the 13, 2, 13, 3, 12, 4, 9.

1417
01:49:52,930 --> 01:49:53,950
So it won't be here.

1418
01:49:54,230 --> 01:49:58,090
If that's not cool, and you want me to step down, 20 years is enough.

1419
01:50:02,990 --> 01:50:07,850
I'm sure as volunteers we're happy to have you participating in this process if you are

1420
01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:11,930
available after those dates we'd love to keep you and obviously that would be your decision

1421
01:50:11,930 --> 01:50:12,930
if you want to.

1422
01:50:12,930 --> 01:50:19,550
in meeting of the month I can make, but yeah those for sure I won't be able to touch it.

1423
01:50:41,300 --> 01:50:46,880
Well it doesn't meet our open meeting act or open meeting act requirements, so.

1424
01:50:55,180 --> 01:51:00,660
Yes, yeah the training success special meeting and not necessarily a public hearing so that one's okay

1425
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:02,940
We already cleared that was due so

1426
01:51:11,740 --> 01:51:21,240
Yeah, there were special rules enacted by the governor to allow a basically emergency rules of procedure for public hearings during that time frame

1427
01:51:22,220 --> 01:51:24,280
That provision has since

1428
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,180
ceased and we're back under our normal rules

1429
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:59,100
We already have results from, I'm not sure how many communities think it was 12, so we're going through those right now. We'll have some information to share with you to see how an idea of what everyone else is doing.

1430
01:51:59,100 --> 01:52:06,100
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Lakota group put some kind of document together several years back for the city of this plane?

1431
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:11,210
I'm recommended architectural guidelines or something like that.

1432
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:24,500
There's a document, there's several documents from several different studies that included various hard-scape streetscape improvements, materials, brickpapers, stone, landscape treatments and different areas of the city.

1433
01:52:24,500 --> 01:52:29,960
I think this could become something that is based on the direction we're talking about.

1434
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,640
We received that the meeting at which it's presented, that the board can recommend how expansive it needs to be.

1435
01:52:37,440 --> 01:52:45,360
At this point, we are truly focusing on mixed use, commercial, multifamily residential, high rise, construction materials,

1436
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:53,360
principally associated with our downtown and if it needs to expand beyond that, as part of your recommendation, that would be feedback we'd like to hear from you,

1437
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,180
after you have a chance to review the materials.

1438
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,560
Doesn't necessarily have to be a single meeting review.

1439
01:52:59,340 --> 01:53:00,740
There's a lot of feedback at that meeting

1440
01:53:00,740 --> 01:53:01,920
and direction provided.

1441
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,240
We'll probably not bring it right back to another workshop.

1442
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:07,180
We'll probably need some time to respond

1443
01:53:07,180 --> 01:53:09,820
to those comments and present something later in the year.

1444
01:53:11,500 --> 01:53:12,700
And I'll just add to that.

1445
01:53:12,820 --> 01:53:15,720
Yeah, we will have some on larger mixed use things.

1446
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,680
We're also looking at building materials

1447
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,480
for single family residential as well, too.

1448
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:22,400
And just evaluating those requirements

1449
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,780
and whether that's something we want to proceed with.

1450
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,300
If we want to be looser, stricter with our regulations.

1451
01:53:27,740 --> 01:53:32,980
That's pretty broad, but we'll have activities set up,

1452
01:53:33,080 --> 01:53:36,900
and things like that for you guys to understand the scope of the workshop.

1453
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:39,940
And is it just from the aesthetic point of view,

1454
01:53:40,060 --> 01:53:41,900
or are you looking at the whole of the

1455
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:45,000
building?

1456
01:53:45,500 --> 01:53:48,320
The building that Pam looks at, for instance, this is all Mason.

1457
01:53:49,500 --> 01:53:53,100
And all these buildings used to be all Masonry.

1458
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:58,340
not animation business anymore, but it makes good, but it makes good sense

1459
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:05,550
the judge's wife who's up here

1460
01:54:08,110 --> 01:54:13,230
for that, that Lester, that Lester was talking

1461
01:54:13,230 --> 01:54:18,610
about sparks flying off the building and so what I'm getting at is I don't know

1462
01:54:18,610 --> 01:54:24,310
how in this country we got away from building all machinery buildings. I make

1463
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:30,050
more sense to me and I see all these stick growths going on, what's it, it's all about

1464
01:54:30,050 --> 01:54:36,150
money, right? It's all about the money, but they got away from it and I don't want to

1465
01:54:36,150 --> 01:54:45,890
authenticate about me, but I will. The pressure lumber now is going way up. So from a

1466
01:54:45,890 --> 01:54:59,910
cost point of view, I don't buy the argument that basically is too expensive. It's from a

1467
01:54:59,910 --> 01:55:06,170
margin of facility you got to have a fire protection treatment would, which is not cheap.

1468
01:55:11,740 --> 01:55:15,800
Yeah, so again, without going into any specific project, all development in the community

1469
01:55:15,800 --> 01:55:18,760
has to strictly comply with all of our codes and requirements.

1470
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:25,260
The closer and structure is to a property line, the more stringent the fire suppression system requirements

1471
01:55:25,260 --> 01:55:30,800
would be the rating of the exterior wall so that it would last if there were a fire immediately

1472
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:36,080
adjacent to it to give people appropriate time to get out of a structure, the way that our

1473
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:42,200
fire department responds in fights, high rise, fires is very meticulously planned in accordance

1474
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:47,800
with those codes. So, across the whole city that would be the case in every instance.

1475
01:55:49,860 --> 01:55:50,480
The comment

1476
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:55,480
about what exterior building material should be appropriate in particular types of building is exactly

1477
01:55:55,480 --> 01:56:00,780
the type of feedback we were hoping to get as part of this exercise. Although there are change

1478
01:56:00,780 --> 01:56:04,600
changes in technology and certain materials become popular over time.

1479
01:56:04,940 --> 01:56:10,460
They can go out of style just as quickly and sometimes the codes that are already been adopted.

1480
01:56:10,700 --> 01:56:16,420
We'd like you to look at because maybe with the frequency of requests for relief, we might have

1481
01:56:16,420 --> 01:56:21,280
set the bar in the wrong place, but we don't want to change it without getting feedback before

1482
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,680
we propose something that would come back before you for review.

1483
01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:29,460
When you compare what they do in downtown Park Bridge and downtown Arlington Heights and

1484
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:33,820
in Mount Prospect. Now we want to make sure that the stuff that we're building doesn't

1485
01:56:33,820 --> 01:56:39,760
look cheap in relation to that stuff and that's a big aesthetic thing that I'm concerned

1486
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:40,000
about.

1487
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:44,300
a little further out, the range has done a beautiful job.

1488
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:50,520
The demographics are a little different, but is still, and hence got a lot of range.

1489
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,460
And my prospects are neighbor, they've done a wonderful job,

1490
01:56:58,290 --> 01:56:59,150
so good thing we're going to

1491
01:56:59,150 --> 01:56:59,390
stand.

1492
01:56:59,530 --> 01:57:00,870
I think you have a good record too.

1493
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:06,530
So it's not only building materials, it's also a fenestration, so you know, how the front

1494
01:57:06,530 --> 01:57:10,630
wall, how much glass and transparent facade is provided.

1495
01:57:12,770 --> 01:57:15,770
the profile, the offset of different parts of the building.

1496
01:57:15,810 --> 01:57:18,710
Sometimes, if you see one full block, all on one plane,

1497
01:57:18,850 --> 01:57:22,590
it can be looked very imposing, can be advantageous to require

1498
01:57:22,590 --> 01:57:25,590
even that portions of the building be offset from the set back

1499
01:57:25,590 --> 01:57:27,310
of the front wall by a minimum distance

1500
01:57:27,310 --> 01:57:29,890
to provide additional architectural interest.

1501
01:57:31,070 --> 01:57:32,810
I do believe we're going to get to a point

1502
01:57:32,810 --> 01:57:35,830
where we would recommend that regulating specific architectural

1503
01:57:35,830 --> 01:57:38,250
styles that we still want to maintain flexibility

1504
01:57:38,250 --> 01:57:43,310
for the development community to propose things that they think look nice, especially as tastes

1505
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:50,110
change over time. But the commission would always have that influence to ensure that something

1506
01:57:50,110 --> 01:57:55,590
that the community doesn't want to see could be stopped both the board and the city council.

1507
01:57:56,390 --> 01:58:02,410
So this is our first opportunity to try to set some parameters around those expectations and

1508
01:58:02,410 --> 01:58:06,550
ultimately it's in the development community's favor to understand what the expectations would be

1509
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:10,590
the end of the process so that they can program for those costs at the beginning of the process

1510
01:58:10,590 --> 01:58:12,930
as part of their contracts and acquiring property.

1511
01:58:14,970 --> 01:58:21,550
I know that you've only been on Stanford probably less than a month, but where is the city

1512
01:58:21,550 --> 01:58:22,430
and drive it?

1513
01:58:22,430 --> 01:58:28,710
I think drive it's sort of gone out of favor, but is there a policy in place for drive it?

1514
01:58:28,970 --> 01:58:31,350
Because it's just such a cheap material.

1515
01:58:31,350 --> 01:58:34,850
It's a maintenance nightmare, it shouldn't be allowed to grow a little period.

1516
01:58:35,530 --> 01:58:41,310
No, in certain states that have insect problems, like South Carolina, it's not a lot.

1517
01:58:41,730 --> 01:58:43,790
Because the insects can bore into the styrofoam.

1518
01:58:44,850 --> 01:58:47,910
And when it was a new product, it was very poorly understood.

1519
01:58:48,070 --> 01:58:49,910
Contractors were not installing it correctly.

1520
01:58:50,070 --> 01:58:55,370
They were tremendous water damage issues associated with it until the product started to

1521
01:58:55,370 --> 01:58:56,150
be used correctly.

1522
01:58:56,830 --> 01:59:01,050
But under the current requirements of the code, there are certain instances where there

1523
01:59:01,050 --> 01:59:04,270
are not regulations imposed on new construction

1524
01:59:04,270 --> 01:59:06,890
in residential and in commercial instances.

1525
01:59:07,810 --> 01:59:09,930
That product is allowed under those circumstances.

1526
01:59:11,130 --> 01:59:12,850
This is another one of those opportunities

1527
01:59:12,850 --> 01:59:16,190
and something that could be discussed that an outright ban

1528
01:59:16,190 --> 01:59:18,190
on something might not be the appropriate step

1529
01:59:18,190 --> 01:59:22,010
but making it very specific when and only when

1530
01:59:22,010 --> 01:59:24,230
a use of a product like that would be appropriate.

1531
01:59:25,150 --> 01:59:26,670
Artificial stucco is generally

1532
01:59:26,670 --> 01:59:29,930
drive it's one of the commercial brands.

1533
01:59:31,610 --> 01:59:38,430
The Disney aspect of things, if you can't touch it and you can't quite see it, sometimes

1534
01:59:38,430 --> 01:59:43,030
the material doesn't necessarily need to be to the high quality standard of a portion

1535
01:59:43,030 --> 01:59:47,310
that's at ground level that everyone's going to be immediately beside that you can see

1536
01:59:47,310 --> 01:59:48,990
with your naked eye.

1537
01:59:50,170 --> 01:59:54,630
There might be instances there might be applications, especially in retrofitting modifications

1538
01:59:54,630 --> 01:59:59,970
to older buildings that are comprised of different and older materials, where that...

1539
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,060
Might be allowed, but again, we would present those options so that the right threshold could be established. Right now in the code, there's a threshold for a size or a percentage of the increase over the existing improvements.

1540
02:00:11,980 --> 02:00:17,200
When these new architectural requirements are triggered, it would probably be a formula similar to that.

1541
02:00:17,380 --> 02:00:24,560
If the scope of work is limited, then additional flexibility would be provided if it's a substantial reinvestment in a building.

1542
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:30,260
then the expectations would be higher for the reimbursement in the property.

1543
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:39,340
Well, that particular material seems to be going out of favor anyway, but just so it doesn't get reading the books because it's a script.

1544
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,440
My personal experience, I completely agree with you.

1545
02:00:44,060 --> 02:00:48,820
There are many buildings in the community that have used it over that time frame,

1546
02:00:48,820 --> 02:00:55,820
in minor repairs, you know, a change in a facade prepared to damage would probably be instances

1547
02:00:55,820 --> 02:01:01,320
where we would consider it and recommend that we set the bar again in the right place,

1548
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:06,000
so that if someone's doing a substantial reinvestment in property, that they would not use

1549
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:11,920
those materials, only in the instances where it's necessary to match existing conditions or match

1550
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,640
the aesthetics of the rest of a bigger structure would potentially be appropriate.

1551
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:27,220
I'll chime in really quick too and so it'll be us at the workshop and then also several

1552
02:01:27,220 --> 02:01:31,340
members of our building department will be here too to discuss their thoughts too in

1553
02:01:31,340 --> 02:01:35,440
their all architects so they can talk to you all about building materials all day long.

1554
02:01:35,620 --> 02:01:36,540
So they'll be here too.

1555
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:49,160
Yeah, we could certainly do that. We haven't advertised yet. If you guys would be open

1556
02:01:49,160 --> 02:01:53,040
and maybe I think we did the contour place workshop at 6pm.

1557
02:01:54,340 --> 02:01:57,900
Do you think you'd be available at 6, rather than 7 on that date?

1558
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:03,540
Let me check. Let me open the calendar. Yeah, let me open it real quick.

1559
02:02:08,090 --> 02:02:10,010
So the training is on the six.

1560
02:02:10,610 --> 02:02:17,130
We could potentially are on the fifth. We on February 5th and the workshop is on March 5th. Sorry wait. Work shop.

1561
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:22,690
The legal training is on February 6th. It's currently scheduled for 7 p.m.

1562
02:02:23,370 --> 02:02:31,710
And then the workshop is would tentatively schedule for March 5th. We could do that at six or seven depending on your availability and interest in that.

1563
02:02:35,100 --> 02:02:36,600
On March 5th.

1564
02:02:44,360 --> 02:02:48,640
Well, I don't have to solve this all in one night, so if we're okay starting on the regular

1565
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:54,640
schedule, we really just need to get that initial first-plus reaction about if we're heading

1566
02:02:54,640 --> 02:02:59,680
in the right direction, if there are parts of the draft that are substantially inconsistent

1567
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:04,860
with what this board would expect, but we will try to do a thorough job so that most of

1568
02:03:04,860 --> 02:03:10,860
that work is ready for a presentation at that time and again, if you like it the way that

1569
02:03:10,860 --> 02:03:16,600
presented. I would hope that we can get close. It might be a shorter process, but it could

1570
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:23,580
also be a much longer process if there's a lot of details and things to review. As with

1571
02:03:23,580 --> 02:03:29,820
any regulation, we would try to suggest the least restrictive, the smallest number of additional

1572
02:03:29,820 --> 02:03:34,920
regulations that achieve the desired result. We don't want to become overly regulatory on these

1573
02:03:34,920 --> 02:03:40,160
issues if we can simplify the requirements, provide straightforward expectations of what is required

1574
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:45,440
under what circumstances, this could be a relatively straightforward process, but whether

1575
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:49,760
what you see on that date, if we want to change out a picture to get a better example of

1576
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:54,020
a particular style, we certainly can do that. It's some of it's quite simple. I don't like the

1577
02:03:54,020 --> 02:03:59,500
picture that you used on page 6. We'll swap it up with a better example so that you guys can be confident

1578
02:03:59,500 --> 02:04:03,140
in the document and then tell us what we should do with it.

1579
02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:07,800
Yeah, there's a number of examples at

1580
02:04:07,800 --> 02:04:18,120
community and the area struggles with similar issues. Sometimes dragging the quality out of an initial proposal is part of the negotiation.

1581
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:36,380
I don't know that I've met at too many developers in my experience that give you the best thing on the first day when I have to ask for revisions and let them know what the expectations will be from both the board and the city council so that they can be more realistic about how much they're going to need to invest in the appearance of property.

1582
02:04:36,380 --> 02:04:39,800
So we absolutely can provide some examples from adjacent communities.

1583
02:04:42,780 --> 02:04:50,680
Is possible to do six o'clock for the February six training or is that we can't do it because of the attorney.

1584
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:51,960
Just curious.

1585
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:56,940
But let me check what the attorney first and I can send you an email and confirm if six PM would work for them.

1586
02:04:57,120 --> 02:04:57,840
That worked for you.

1587
02:04:58,700 --> 02:04:59,100
I'll do it.

1588
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:00,780
Oh, okay.

1589
02:05:01,540 --> 02:05:02,060
Okay.

1590
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:02,600
Okay.

1591
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:03,980
I can do seven.

1592
02:05:04,220 --> 02:05:05,240
I just read the judge earlier.

1593
02:05:05,940 --> 02:05:06,100
Okay.

1594
02:05:06,100 --> 02:05:17,220
Well, I will send out an email and you guys can confirm, I'll confirm first with Stu and then we can confirm that time and I'll do the same for the March 5th if you guys are comfortable with 6 p.m.

1595
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:26,320
We can discuss that and confirm it. We'll have another meeting before March 5th too, but I do want to start to advertise for the workshop before that point and post it on our website and everything.

1596
02:05:31,630 --> 02:05:37,430
The March 5th meeting is a workshop, so it's similar to the contour place in the

1597
02:05:37,430 --> 02:05:41,430
Converland crossings you did, except it's based on, yes, it's open to the public and

1598
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:45,170
so we're encouraging people to attend because we'd like their input, and like I said,

1599
02:05:45,250 --> 02:05:50,690
we'll have some activities to articulate our plan and I'm hoping to send you a memo the week before

1600
02:05:50,690 --> 02:05:57,770
that has information about our rules, hopefully any examples and we'll try to synthesize our results

1601
02:05:57,770 --> 02:06:02,350
the Northwest Municipal Conference. You have as much of a primer before you come into this.

1602
02:06:02,670 --> 02:06:07,630
We won't be voting on anything. It will just be discussion of a text amendment. And then from

1603
02:06:07,630 --> 02:06:13,150
your input, we'll start to propose text amendments to you through the normal process.

1604
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:19,960
I'm too

1605
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:21,720
deferred to Mr. Stitz.

1606
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:29,960
So, very initial stages we have received some new and very initial plans for come-in crossings.

1607
02:06:31,460 --> 02:06:42,100
I'd say it's a little bit more involved or it's say more the it has a better overall use of the space just it provides a little more restaurant and residential mixture than the previous

1608
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:47,080
middle or they're actually say the previous project that was back in 2020.

1609
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:56,420
So we're still working with them on just kind of getting the the ball rolling we would like to do a workshop within as well regarding that type of development.

1610
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:01,420
And well, I guess we did a workshop with them.

1611
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:05,640
But like following up with them to basically do the next step,

1612
02:07:05,780 --> 02:07:08,340
maybe do our TV if we need to just to kind of get them

1613
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,060
more prepared for the application process.

1614
02:07:12,840 --> 02:07:15,300
So so far, nothing yet, but we'll keep you updated.

1615
02:07:25,210 --> 02:07:27,390
Yeah, they're still taking on public input

1616
02:07:27,390 --> 02:07:29,190
and re-grising their plans accordingly.

1617
02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:29,970
So we have...

1618
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:33,720
We've not gotten new plans yet, but we'll continue to work with

1619
02:07:38,810 --> 02:07:45,610
them.

1620
02:07:49,130 --> 02:07:49,590
Yeah,

1621
02:07:54,550 --> 02:08:00,030
you guys just talked for a while, and it's more than two, it's technically a meeting.

1622
02:08:00,030 --> 02:08:02,630
So if you wouldn't mind adjourning again, that would be helpful.

1623
02:08:05,590 --> 02:08:05,790
Yeah.

1624
02:08:07,170 --> 02:08:08,210
Just a little bit here.

1625
02:08:08,450 --> 02:08:11,650
All in favor to adjourn, say aye.

1626
02:08:12,010 --> 02:08:12,350
Aye.

1627
02:08:12,350 --> 02:08:12,390
Aye.

1628
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:12,930
All opposed.

1629
02:08:16,740 --> 02:08:17,940
Exciting things happening.