1 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,000 you 2 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,920 you 3 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,920 you 4 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:58,640 all right ladies and gentlemen i'd like to call the regular meeting of 5 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:02,319 the disa city council may 2nd 2022 to order 6 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:07,959 up first uh don't we don't have pastor here so ma'am would you like to lead us 7 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,959 in the pledge everyone stand 8 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:36,319 oh oh yeah i want to do are we going to do 9 00:03:34,799 --> 00:03:38,879 agenda approval yeah let's do that 10 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:47,840 because i want to i would like to move 3g under my name for uh 11 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:53,040 just cut not discussion well maybe discussions 12 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:57,280 yes please so uh the motion uh the request is to move uh casino agenda item 13 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,799 3g from the cassette agenda to come under 14 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:06,080 uh councilman bagby's name under item seven 15 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:12,319 and then i'll make a motion to approve the agenda as amended i second 16 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:15,720 all right we have a vote 17 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:29,320 the vote is unanimous so moved so we will move item three 18 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,919 under item 19 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,080 six d 20 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,440 if i don't take a note i'll forget all right now i get to do my little 21 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:51,320 mirror thing first up we have a proclamation of 22 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,320 drinking water wheat 23 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,560 all my whereas 24 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:16,680 thank you city of destin proclamation drinking 25 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:22,240 water week may 1st through the 7th 2022 whereas water is our most valuable 26 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:26,320 natural resource and whereas drinking water serves vital role in daily life 27 00:05:24,639 --> 00:05:31,039 serving as an essential purpose to health hydration hygiene needs for the 28 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:35,919 quality of life of our citizens to enjoy and whereas tap water delivers public 29 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,520 health protection fire protection support for our economy and the quality 30 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:43,759 of life we enjoy and whereas the hard work performed by 31 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:49,120 the entire water sector designing capital product products projects 32 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,560 operators ensuring the safety and quality of drinking water or a member of 33 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:57,199 a pipe crew maintaining the infrastructure communities rely on to 34 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:02,880 transport high quality drinking water from its source to consumers taps and 35 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:07,199 whereas the konor corona virus pandemic has shown a light 36 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:11,919 on the importance of drinking water for health hydration and hygiene needs and 37 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:16,240 whereas we are all stewards of the water infrastructure upon which fewer 38 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:20,319 generations depend and whereas the citizens of our city are called upon to 39 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:24,479 help protect our sources of water from pollution practice water conservation 40 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:29,280 and get involved with their water by familiarizing themselves with it and 41 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:34,400 whereas destin water users is the water service provider for our area 42 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:38,639 now therefore be resolved by that virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor 43 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:42,639 of the city of destin i do hereby proclaim may 44 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:46,160 1st through the 7th as drinking water week lockwood would you like to say word 45 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,840 yes one of the messages we want to get out 46 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:54,479 is that tap water is there when you when it's needed and it takes a team to make 47 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:58,080 that happen and we're grateful to one of our team members the city of destin to 48 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:02,010 make that happen so we can supply the needs of our community thank you mayor 49 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:09,500 thank you lockwood [Applause] 50 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:23,160 up next michael would you like to join us and 51 00:07:19,599 --> 00:07:23,160 your staff 52 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,720 even though these guys work 53 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:42,080 it's 365 days out of the year even though they're not supposed to 54 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,080 uh this is their week 55 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:50,319 two weeks all right see they they get two weeks they're 56 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:54,160 really special anyways i would like to read the city of 57 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,400 destin proclamation of national public works week 58 00:07:57,039 --> 00:08:03,120 right it's just one week but it's just two weeks from now oh okay 59 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:07,360 ready and resilient whereas public works professionals focus on services that are 60 00:08:05,599 --> 00:08:11,039 vital importance to sustainable and resilient communities and to the public 61 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,599 health high quality of life and well-being of the people of the city of 62 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,680 destin and whereas these services could not be 63 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:22,479 provided without the dedicated efforts of our public works professionals who 64 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:27,039 are responsible for rebuilding improving maintaining and protecting our city's 65 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:32,080 transportation networks storm water infrastructure public buildings and 66 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:35,760 natural resources essential for and to our citizens 67 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,519 and whereas it is in the public interest of for our citizens civic leaders and 68 00:08:37,599 --> 00:08:43,519 children in the city of destin to gain knowledge of and to maintain an ongoing 69 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:48,000 interest and understanding of the importance of public works and the 70 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:54,000 public works programs in our community and whereas the year 2022 marks the 62nd 71 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,519 annual national public works week sponsored by the american public works 72 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,839 association now therefore be it proclaimed that i 73 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:06,240 gary jarvis mayor of deaths in florida on behalf of the city council do hereby 74 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:10,880 designate the week of may 15th through the 21st two weeks from now 75 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,560 as national public works week in the city of destin energy all citizens to 76 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,480 join with representatives of the american public works association and 77 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:21,680 other governmental agencies and paying tribute to our public works 78 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:26,000 professionals recognizing the substantial contributions they make to 79 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:28,959 protect our health safety and quality of life here in destin so done this second 80 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,760 day of may 2022 michael would you like to say a 81 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,839 word sure 82 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,600 oh thank you um just want to thank the mayor and 83 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,959 the council for this recognition of national public works week 84 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:48,800 i would like to personally thank my staff a fantastic group of dedicated 85 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:53,200 individuals again who work 365 rain shine day or night 86 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,959 there's a job and we've got to get it done so who do you call on it's public 87 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:01,120 works is that right something like that but 88 00:09:58,959 --> 00:10:04,800 anyway uh just again thank you mr mayor thanks city council city manager for all 89 00:10:02,959 --> 00:10:07,770 your support especially in the upcoming budget season 90 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:12,240 the [Music] 91 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:16,560 again well here here let me get behind the 92 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:21,950 dice there but again thank you all for this recognition and we look forward to 93 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:28,639 serving you now and in the future [Applause] 94 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,920 so 95 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,480 good evening mayor and council members city manager we're happy to be here so 96 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:17,600 thanks for allowing us to come in i just wanted to take a few minutes to kind of 97 00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:20,320 briefly update you with with your project where it's at in the stages and 98 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,680 wanted to kind of share with you real quick some some projects throughout the 99 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,480 state just kind of give you an idea as you're progressing and moving forward 100 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,000 with your projects some things that's that's taking place in other areas of 101 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:35,600 the state so basically where we're at right now 102 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,640 we've already submitted the f the fpl engineering deposit so it started 103 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,440 they're moving forward with that you're probably 104 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,760 noticed over the last month survey data collection has been taking place you 105 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:49,920 will see crews probably um you know this afternoon tomorrow possibly into 106 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:53,120 wednesday just data collected the last few points we just wanted to verify a 107 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:56,399 couple of endpoints match up some manholes things like that so that's all 108 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:59,680 progressive as soon as that data is complete we get it over to the 109 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:04,160 engineering department with fpl and we're already working with them to try 110 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:08,639 to get that as soon as we get that back we'll start probably within 60 to 90 111 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:11,680 days start finding out exactly where some of the critical infrastructure 112 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,120 locations are going to be and basically what that is where we've got the 113 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:19,279 transformers and some of the switches where they might fall in the corridor 114 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,560 so we'll quickly start looking at those locations see what we can do to adjust 115 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:25,440 them make sure that they kind of fit well for the city and you know 116 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,160 unfortunately you know they've got to go somewhere we're just going to try to 117 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:32,079 find the best place that we can we can put those we're also working with the 118 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,200 carriers as well to make sure that they're in line with 119 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:39,360 that so that's typically on projects sometimes the carers can fall behind so 120 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:43,920 with that we wanted to kind of share with you some ongoing projects um 121 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:48,720 throughout the state so i know you guys are familiar with longboat key it's a 122 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:52,880 50 million dollar underground project so it's a little bit smaller but it's 123 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:57,120 interesting that their um island in general has a lot of same similarities 124 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,639 as yours does so where we are right now we're close to 125 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:04,079 completing the entire project it was originally seven years it condensed it 126 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:08,480 down to three we're actually ahead of schedule quite a bit so just wanted to 127 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,680 kind of share as you see things that in the industry are kind of sliding 128 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:16,639 behind schedule this one is significantly ahead of schedule more 129 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:20,399 importantly it's well under budget um significantly on the power side and then 130 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:24,639 the contingencies that were set aside there's two million that was set aside 131 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,000 zero's been used today so all the boring activities will be done this week so 132 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:33,360 it's a pretty big accomplishment to have all of the boring activities which is 133 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:37,120 your biggest risk typically in a project done so i know when we're we're right 134 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,040 now dealing with inflationary pressures construct you know contractors timing 135 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:44,800 these are projects that are ongoing during these current conditions that are 136 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:49,440 performing well this is another project we um 137 00:13:47,199 --> 00:13:53,199 you know i don't say it to to brag but just so you know this project here in 138 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:57,600 bradenton beach we our firm just received the consultant of the year 139 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:02,160 award through apwa it was because of the complexity it's a cra district it's 140 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:06,000 extremely heavy corridor it's got a lot of businesses as you can see i've got a 141 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,760 quick little video on it but you know it had everything that would that could be 142 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:13,839 a potential problem for a project it was ahead of schedule under budget and the 143 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:18,480 businesses were extremely pleased so we just wanted to that one was actually 144 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:23,040 done in the last year so it's fully complete at this stage um 145 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,079 so we did encounter some of the same thing that you're seeing with inflation 146 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,360 stuff like that really didn't impact the project to a large degree and like i 147 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,720 said we're under budget and never use the contingency so just wanted to kind 148 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:36,959 of report that so you can see some projects that are actually wrapping up 149 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:40,959 they're actually going well the procurement that's pretty much the 150 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:45,040 process moving forward on this one so once we get the engineering deposit back 151 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:49,519 from fpl we'll start moving forward we'll get the binding cost estimate from 152 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,880 fpl basically that's a convoluted math equation that follows a tariff and the 153 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:57,120 tearful basically this is what your credit will look like that gets applied 154 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,480 to the project so we've already got some we've got some calculations that we do 155 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:04,560 to kind of predict that modeling but when we get it back we'll be presenting 156 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:07,760 it quick um you know to council to be able to look at those numbers and see 157 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:12,399 what the actual credit would be we have seen they've they've generally increased 158 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,279 over time because the um you know there's just been a 159 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,800 it's been determined that the undergrounding projects have some 160 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,920 significant cost savings to the utility companies therefore those credits are 161 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,160 applied to the project the um 162 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,040 when we get those binding call assessments we're also trying to have 163 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,600 the same ones from the utility carriers so since they're attached to those lines 164 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:35,040 we'll make sure that we have that information the same thing 165 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:38,720 we'll also be looking to make sure that we have the right qualified contractors 166 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:43,360 fortunately for this type of work it does require that these contractors are 167 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:47,519 you know they understand that um that type of work that that's a kind of 168 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:51,040 lowers that pool of contractors by a significant amount but what that does is 169 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:54,240 it ensures you and what we're looking for is that the contractors that are 170 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:57,519 working on your island they're familiar with this type of work they've worked 171 00:15:55,839 --> 00:16:00,800 within these communities it's very important it's different than boring out 172 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,079 you know in other areas so we just want to make sure that we bring that to you 173 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:08,720 so we'll be kind of working with you and sharing that as we go 174 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:11,839 the city of bradenton beach project that i talked about i know that you guys have 175 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,279 the two cra districts so just coincidentally we just wrapped that 176 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,639 project up so one of what i wanted to share was this um 177 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:22,880 video real quick and just kind of shows the 178 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:26,240 corridor you can see the polls are still up as you're looking down the street 179 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,600 this is the event um you know the big event that everybody waits for is when 180 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:33,120 all the lines and powers and poles come out so it's just kind of a 181 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:36,880 quick view of that evening 182 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,720 kind of a long night and then fast forward twelve and a half hours so the 183 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:45,839 following morning this is probably about six five thirty six in the morning 184 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:49,680 the corridor just the significance of of all that stuff coming down does make a 185 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:54,000 huge impact like you can see as you're going through the video there's a it's 186 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:59,759 just all businesses it's an extremely extremely um limited right-of-way tons 187 00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:02,639 of pedestrian traffic so as you can imagine with this that's why it was 188 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:06,720 significant with the award because projects like these typically run behind 189 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,679 schedule not as a result of anything on the project team 190 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:13,039 they're just they have their challenges so i think if you're partnering well 191 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:17,039 with everybody you're working you can kind of achieve this same goal so that's 192 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:20,720 that's our goal for the city but just wanted to kind of share a quick video 193 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:24,720 with you to kind of see sun's just now coming up but it it i 194 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:29,120 mean the impact is you know everybody at the end of the job of course it 195 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:33,280 says you know the video kind of says more than the words itself 196 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:36,640 so with that i just like i said just wanted to share with you where we are in 197 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:40,240 the process things are moving well the projects that are you know wrapping up 198 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:43,360 or fully um almost wrapped up or going well so we 199 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,280 just wanted to kind of share that with you and if you know by all means if you 200 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:50,320 have questions i'd love to hear through the process we're here to answer that at 201 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:53,760 any given time anybody have any questions for mark go 202 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,880 ahead mr destin thank you mayor 203 00:17:55,039 --> 00:18:00,320 the status of the other utilities the communication the other things are on 204 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,600 the polls we asked that question a few months ago is 205 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:07,039 are they obliged to take their stuff down when we 206 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:10,960 bury the power lines and did we ever get an answer to that question 207 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:14,720 we are we're working with them right now what we're doing is we part of the trip 208 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:18,320 here too was to try to just make sure what what we try to do is we don't want 209 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,360 to just assume that what the carriers are giving us is what they actually have 210 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:25,440 to the pool because we're really we want to avoid for lack of about we just don't 211 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:29,600 want to this city to absorb any betterment right so we want to make sure 212 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:33,039 that what we're providing in the ground is adequate for what's in the air and 213 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,559 not more than that we just don't really want to expand that infrastructure so 214 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,240 it's a little bit of a process as we're working with fpl right now we're working 215 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:43,919 with them to try to get their pieces and and the cost estimates for that to tie 216 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:48,000 into our earlier conversations with them so i would imagine during these the 217 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:51,840 survey is kind of critical too because a lot of them are asking for that survey 218 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,679 because it's got the cad format that they like to go back to their systems 219 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:59,120 and start plugging in some exact numbers so when we get that survey we'll be able 220 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,080 to forward that information to them quick but yeah we're definitely wanting 221 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,880 to make sure that we don't 222 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:08,400 here's what i can share with you on all of the ongoing projects of those two 223 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:12,000 that we just said are near completion of the bradenton being complete we've not 224 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,520 had any issues with the cures being attached to the polls when we're ready 225 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:18,960 to take them down that's usually a major major issue a lot of these projects 226 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:23,120 yeah i'm just you know a little concerned because that's pretty critical 227 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:26,320 if we bury one and the others are still there we haven't really accomplished 228 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:29,679 anything yeah we're doing something pinellas and that was a big issue for 229 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,200 some previous projects you know they what we don't ever want to see it's it's 230 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:36,480 kind of a personal pet peeve i don't want to see the power company done the 231 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:40,400 polls getting cut and topped off and those care lines we want the polls out 232 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,600 at the same time so we'll i can promise you we'll be pushing hard to make sure 233 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:49,520 that the carers are kind of in that same pattern okay thanks thank you on that 234 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,520 same line of questioning mark 235 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:56,480 in your experience especially here in florida of course 236 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:01,360 what type of pushback do you have sometimes with with the cable company 237 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:06,000 and telephone and that kind of stuff and how do you remediate those issues is 238 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,440 that something we have to be involved with or 239 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:13,360 you guys pretty good at we hope you don't have to be involved because that 240 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:17,039 might be you know um us not not performing well on our side of things i 241 00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:20,799 mean that's our our job we feel is to kind of reign that in and and 242 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,640 make sure that it's it's handled like i said we just we don't have that issue 243 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:28,799 doesn't mean that something um might not come up that you can't avoid but i think 244 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:31,840 it's just building relationships with them working with them we just try to 245 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,799 you know help them out as much as we can i think that goes a long way so it's 246 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:38,080 just it's a partnership we just have to develop so we're working with them 247 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,600 closely to make sure that they feel comfortable that we're here to help them 248 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:45,120 not just demand a bunch of information and and rely on that so 249 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,720 all right thank you very much thanks for having me all right thank you mark 250 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:00,480 all right up next public comments um i just want to remind everybody you get 251 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:05,039 three minutes um when you come up to the podium turn 252 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:08,320 on your microphone just state your name and your address for the public record 253 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:12,159 uh when you get close to your three minutes i'll politely ask you to wrap up 254 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:17,039 your thoughts and then we'll move on to the next one i also want to remind you 255 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:21,440 we do have some public hearings today so if if what you'd like to talk about is 256 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:26,640 actually related to those public hearings this is not the time to to do 257 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:31,679 that this is for anything that's on the agenda other than public hearings and 258 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:35,039 anything else that might be a issue for you that you just want to 259 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:39,200 share with the council tonight this is uh there'll be a at the very end 260 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:45,039 of the meeting as well you'll have another opportunity 261 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:48,159 to to speak for three minutes on you can bring up the same thing you 262 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:51,679 talked about before if you don't think that we heard you loud 263 00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:57,280 and clear but so there'll be two opportunities for public input uh 264 00:21:54,799 --> 00:22:00,880 on other than public hearings and then there will be an opportunity on each one 265 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:05,120 of the three public hearings we're having to make public comment as well so 266 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:08,159 with that being said i'm going to start at the center of the 267 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:12,559 room and work that way just throw a wrench 268 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:16,799 into spoke so does anybody here in the center of the room would like to come 269 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,799 out make a public comment 270 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,760 damn i can't believe you ain't coming up ken 271 00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:26,559 you let me down brother anyone over here 272 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:29,280 nope yep come on up 273 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,559 can we can we do one at a time or you need both guys 274 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,440 oh okay i was gonna say you get six minutes that way versus three but go 275 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:46,720 ahead just uh hit the button state your name 276 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,280 address both of you go ahead for the public record 277 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:56,240 okay got it all right i'm ben costan address is 327 mountain drive owner of 278 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:02,400 rhodes auto repairs and towing i'm scott leach owner of 279 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:06,960 destin towing 112 mountain drop we're just here to talk about trying to 280 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:11,039 get the rates raised for the sheriff and highway patrol toes and the 281 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:16,320 private property tows the rates as far as i know haven't been 282 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,320 raised since 2015 283 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,280 and it's my understanding i don't really know how this works but luther rhodes 284 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:25,520 told me that to bring it before the city council the city council approves it 285 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:30,320 then they take it to the county and so on and so on i'm not 100 sure if that's 286 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:34,840 the right way but that's what i was told so like great what's the rate real quick 287 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:40,320 so currently um well he does more stuff than i do but 288 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:45,200 for what i do is mostly accidents abandoned vehicles or rests 289 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:49,039 stuff like that currently it's 150 for the tow 290 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:54,080 and then it's 50 a day storage which it's been that since 2015. then he 291 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:59,200 also does private property which is what 125 for the tow 292 00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:04,559 and 25 a day storage yeah um and to be honest with you the 293 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:09,039 private property toes the 294 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:14,880 the backlash that we get on the back end is like oh my god it's ridiculous 295 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:19,200 yeah i don't even do that like people i'm like call scott i'm not doing it 296 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:24,320 he's way bigger than me he can he's not i'm not doing it but 297 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:28,799 the price of fuel is going up i mean today i spent 1800 to fill up my big 298 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:32,799 record it's getting ridiculous it's getting out 299 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:37,520 of hand and people believe it or not with the private property telling stuff 300 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,559 the people that give us the most problems 301 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:45,919 is not the tourist it's the locals 302 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:49,919 i mean honestly it truly is the locals that gives us the most problems 303 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,880 and we get out 304 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:56,960 say for instance we go out and we work a wreck scene for somebody that's 305 00:24:55,120 --> 00:25:00,640 drinking and driving we get out there and spend 306 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:07,039 an hour out there cleaning up a mess in the blazing sun on the asphalt it's like 307 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,760 150 ducks is it worth it can we get it up a little bit higher 308 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:14,400 because i mean we 309 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:20,799 cleaning up a mess in a hurry yeah and us just like public works are on call 310 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:24,159 365's a day or 365 days a year 24 hours a day it doesn't matter if you're eating 311 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:27,679 christmas breakfast with your kids fhp calls you gotta go now it doesn't matter 312 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,679 if it's three in the morning it doesn't matter when it is and it's the same with 313 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:36,000 the sheriff's department i mean and without fail i mean we got 30 minutes to 314 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,640 get from wherever we're at whatever we're doing 315 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,760 to them in 30 minutes 316 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,840 regardless and it's 317 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,840 it's one of them things where 318 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:51,360 times are changing times are definitely changing cars are 319 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,559 getting bigger trucks are getting bigger messes are getting a lot better our 320 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,080 trucks are getting bigger like in 2015 you could buy a flatbed record for 70 321 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:02,080 000. i just bought a brand new one last year and it was 106. 322 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,159 the same way with me so when somebody says why is it total 323 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:10,480 150 dollars well the trucks 106 grand it gets eight miles to the gown at five 324 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:13,600 dollars a gallon the insurance is i looked up my insurance so i told kevin 325 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:19,520 i said i need some numbers because i am a numbers guy but in 2017 our entire 326 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:24,000 operation insurance package was 17 000. this year it's 22. 327 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:27,120 fuel is double the trucks are close to double 328 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:31,120 yeah and salaries are up you're paying guys 329 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,039 30 35 bucks an hour now instead of 25. i got i got the biggest truck in the 330 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:38,960 county the biggest tow truck in this county 331 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:43,279 my insurance for the year 75 000 332 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:48,400 for the year that's for my whole fleet i bought a brand new rollback peterbilt 333 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:52,400 just like his 106 thousand dollars five miles to a gallon 334 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:56,400 the big record we're four miles to the gallon 335 00:26:53,919 --> 00:27:00,559 and it's like you know we have to have it yeah go ahead kevin i've got some 336 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:05,120 questions for you we have questions you want to ask some questions first 337 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:09,279 oh we can't we we can ask you guys have any questions or not go ahead 338 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,880 well i appreciate you guys coming um this was under my name 339 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,840 at the end and there's it's in your packet i believe as well 340 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,960 um but since they're here in the public 341 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:22,559 comments section i figured get them up here earlier rather than 342 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,600 eight or nine o'clock tonight so thank you both for coming uh thanks guys i was 343 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,760 in i was in the shop supporting one of them and and they 344 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:35,760 brought this up and and you know when we looked into it we realized it hasn't 345 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:40,159 been done since 2015. so you know i mentioned to ben there's a 346 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:44,399 process and the process is what they're doing right now and so 347 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:49,200 with that i was going to make a motion to direct the city manager to work with 348 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:54,559 staff to bring back some updated changes for the resolution 1502 349 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,679 can i second that motion sure 350 00:27:55,919 --> 00:28:01,440 got a second thank you well we got motion got a second any 351 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:04,399 discussion we have the gentleman up here that we can answer any questions that 352 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:09,440 any of you have seeing none gentlemen thank you and 353 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 we'll take a vote 354 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:16,799 now we go sit down thank you all for coming and it's nice 355 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:20,720 to have local owners and business people here to speak about a situation so thank 356 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,240 you all right so 357 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,120 let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion in a second 358 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,520 the eyes have it unanimous so moved so staff will come back and 359 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:38,720 if you you'll have another opportunity to speak when you see the 360 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:45,399 documents okay thank you guys alrighty then anyone else we're still on 361 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,399 public comment come on up 362 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:54,559 hello my name is madison sullivan my address is 4507 for ling ling dustin 363 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:59,679 florida i wanted to talk about my concerns for 364 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:05,200 the ever-growing presence of illegal charters coming out of destin florida 365 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:10,880 on any given weekend you can go to joe's bayou and watch it's like a show you 366 00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:14,799 just get to watch illegal charters drop off at our city parks 367 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,480 i was there for about 20 minutes on saturday and i recorded 368 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,640 two boat charters dropping off 369 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,640 while the city park attendant quite literally looked the other way the 370 00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:30,320 entire time he didn't go up and give any warnings 371 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:34,880 he didn't ask any questions or take any pictures 372 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:39,679 which i'm not sure why it's very obvious i can spot them from a mile away 373 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:43,919 anywhere i go i've been at dewey dustin's like two weeks ago and i saw 374 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,880 charters getting dropped off um at dewey dustin i know it's hard to 375 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:53,120 regulate but they're very easy to spot um and it just kind of seems like a 376 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:57,360 broken system because i've called sheriffs over to my boat before and 377 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,960 pointed them out at crab island and they've told me to take a picture send 378 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,760 it in it doesn't seem like it's a law that's 379 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:10,399 being enforced in any way and i wanted to know what you guys were doing about 380 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:15,200 it and ways i can work with you guys to point out these illegal charters because 381 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:18,880 i'm in a charter company i've had to jump through hoops to do 382 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:23,840 everything the right way i pay my three percent to the national parks my 400 383 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,159 dollars to the county every month and 384 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,440 have my btr a place to pick up and i'm watching 385 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:36,399 all these other boats just take advantage of the system and work it and 386 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:40,880 i don't know why nobody wants to do anything about it when i when i point it 387 00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:40,880 out to them 388 00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:47,360 anyone want go ahead rodney i'll i'll step in 389 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:51,120 thanks i know we've been talking about this the 390 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,880 council and staff um city manager what's what's being done if 391 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,480 anything to try to resolve this i know we've 392 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:02,640 talked about it it's it's difficult to enforce or to catch them but what what's 393 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,519 i guess and i guess it's not the the attendant 394 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:12,640 at the boat ramp to to police it's code enforcement co-compliance are they doing 395 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,640 anything 396 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:18,960 yeah and so i've worked both with um 397 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:24,159 lisa firth the parks director to work with her staff at the launch to try to 398 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:28,080 educate them on this problem and what to look for so that they can get in contact 399 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:34,080 with code enforcement who has the ability um to do some enforcement of our 400 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:38,320 codes our code is trying to respond now 401 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,240 more because they're aware of it thanks to folks like you 402 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,000 because i wasn't i wasn't aware of it until a couple weeks ago when i when i 403 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:50,880 heard some of the comments so um our code is is working hard to get over 404 00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:55,440 there and i will say not as an excuse but just as a fact that our code is 405 00:31:52,960 --> 00:32:00,799 short right now a couple of people so a few people so please bear with us and we 406 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:04,880 will get this problem taken care of as she said it is a challenge um to 407 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:09,919 identify some of the votes um and some of them it's not i mean it's 408 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:15,120 a dime a dozen if you count 12 pontoon boats out there 10 of them are illegal 409 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:19,039 yeah and and just to address this madison it's not just in the uh livery 410 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:21,519 vessel business it's 411 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,679 rampant and the state licensed guide boats it's rampant and the federally 412 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:30,640 chartered for hire business and now it's actually becoming 413 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:34,480 an issue with private yacht charters and 414 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:39,039 about two weeks ago three weeks ago we had the united states coast guard here 415 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:46,080 briefing this council on what constitutes a charter what constitutes a 416 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:51,440 bear boat contract and in the issues my dealings with national marine 417 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:54,840 fisheries with the coast guard fwc and our sheriff's office that has a marine 418 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:59,200 unit is you have to make a case 419 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,440 and you have to make a case that's going to stand up in a court of law and so 420 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,600 when they tell you to take pictures and you hand it over to them and it doesn't 421 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:12,240 seem like anything's being done things are being done but it takes time 422 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:16,240 to do an investigation and make a case lots of times we'll turn people in and 423 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:21,279 we don't see nothing for five or six months and that but when they get them 424 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:26,799 they get them really really good because now fines are up to sixty thousand 425 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:31,039 dollars and just last week an illegal pontoon operator was arrested 426 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,320 given tickets and he was out there on sunday he was 427 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:38,320 one of the ones dropping off at joe's bayou i know exactly who you're talking 428 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:41,279 about and he was dropping off at joe's bayou on sunday using the city 429 00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:46,000 permanently he hasn't had his day in court yet and that may 430 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:50,799 change when he gets his fine but but so all we can do is like it's not that 431 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:54,880 people are ignorant to the problem but it's going to take an entire community 432 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:59,120 and it's like what we do in the charter industry is we are the policemen because 433 00:33:57,039 --> 00:34:03,279 we are the eyes and ears of what's going on in our community and so you just got 434 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,840 to keep turning them in and keep putting the pressure up delivery vessel 435 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:11,839 organization now that represents all you guys is totally aware of it they're 436 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,639 doing the same thing we recognize it we'll do the best we can 437 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,960 on the code enforcement side of things but you just got to catch the bad guys 438 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:25,440 you know we can't legislate morality unfortunately we can do it through 439 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:30,079 ordinances and in our code enforcement stuff but this council and myself being 440 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:34,879 a licensed captain we're not blind to the problem and we're going to try and 441 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:39,760 do a better job the season is just about to begin but nobody 442 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:43,440 um nobody you know there's a couple of my friends they got me on speed dial 443 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:46,399 they're sending me pictures all the time come on mayor this is an illegal 444 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,399 operator the one you and i are just talking about 445 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,760 you know sooner or later the price gets the point where 446 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:57,839 they'll have their day in court that's all i can tell you right now but but 447 00:34:55,599 --> 00:35:01,040 don't assume that we're not caring don't assume that we're not doing anything 448 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,960 about it and don't assume that those people are going to pay the price at 449 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,270 some point mr mayor go ahead a question please 450 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,040 are we taking [Music] 451 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:15,200 how do we do something does code enforcement have to come out 452 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,440 and see it and then we we're now following it or do 453 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:25,280 we take pictures that are submitted by a citizen to be used in as evidenced i 454 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:31,440 think just illegal charters is a u.s coast guard problem no i'm wondering 455 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:35,599 what nfw's what my concern is is the the law of liveries that was put in place 456 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:39,520 that's where the city of destin can step in and say you're not allowed to pick up 457 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,280 at our rants and even just stopping them right there in the process while they're 458 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,119 picking up at joe's bayou or dewey dustin's or anywhere else that they're 459 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,440 doing it stopping them in the process is enough to scare them if you go on to any 460 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:57,280 of the apps that they're using they're advertising joe's by you um all these 461 00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:01,200 different spots like right there making a call that's something that i 462 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:04,240 feel like this even the sheriffs could enforce because it's a city law 463 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:09,200 so how do we so to answer your evidentiary 464 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:14,160 question it can be done either way if we get pictures 465 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:18,720 then staff takes that as a complaint and goes and investigates themselves um but 466 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,440 when they come out there they're already gone 467 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:24,800 right no longer but 468 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,760 if it's ongoing they should be able to catch them if 469 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,960 it's ongoing yeah next time theoretically if they're in and out in 470 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,560 10 20 minutes we never can respond quick enough due to 471 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,560 staff shortages or whatever else 472 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:43,359 if a member of the public that took pictures wants to testify though then 473 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:46,640 that could be used as evidence as well if they were willing to they don't have 474 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:50,079 to staff can also go out and witness it themselves so i'm not trying to put 475 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,320 anything on the public at all but if they chose to they could and then the 476 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:57,760 other method would just be to regularly monitor 477 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,480 certain areas but you know the director of code enforcement management would 478 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,400 have to decide where to put those resources 479 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:08,160 just my two cents and i appreciate it but 480 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:11,760 maybe if citizens are submitting stuff we have some type of database just to 481 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:16,160 just ship just to see if repeat offenders so we can tell the attendant 482 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,320 you know you did it once you did it twice you did it three times 483 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,800 now the fourth time this particular person has come through here now we can 484 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,079 potentially go to our employee or your you know your 485 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,440 employee and kind of crack the whip a little bit just 486 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:34,720 my two cents but thank you for that thank you for bringing it to me and and 487 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,800 i want to reiterate what kevin is saying city 488 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:43,760 manager the boat ramp at joe's bayou 489 00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:47,040 our employees don't know that they should help with that because they have 490 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:51,839 told not me but people in front of me and 491 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:55,359 people behind me that's not my job it's none of your business don't worry 492 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:59,119 about them and i just think they don't understand 493 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:03,680 that at that vote ramp they shouldn't be allowing anyone to launch they they have 494 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,520 the control he's telling what peer to launch at 495 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:11,119 we could help him give him more empowerment on 496 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:15,280 you know what's not right you know who's not really a citizen who's not really a 497 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:20,000 chartered vote that would be how we could help stop it 498 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:24,160 is giving him the power telling him you do have the power because we need you to 499 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,760 help us help this madeline brings up a 500 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:32,560 nice point when she says we are the ones that put the moratorium on 501 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:37,440 livery vessels and death in which does put a level of responsibility for us to 502 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:43,119 protect those who have fallen under that moratorium and have the exclusive 503 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:47,040 business invested so you're correct you know we're the ones that put that 504 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:52,320 limit on the people that are legally operating within the city limits and 505 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:56,880 using a btr city so we do have a level of responsibility to protect you 506 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,160 and the other liberty vessels that are operating under that moratorium john 507 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:03,920 would you like to come up and address some of what she's saying too i just you 508 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:08,079 know i just kind of this this is a good time for for 509 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,680 a little livery discussion thank you madeline 510 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,200 thank you so much and you're more welcome to come back up 511 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:20,000 here too john stephens 40 25 indian trail um so kind of piggybacking off 512 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:24,800 what was just said at the last county commissioner meeting this was the same 513 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:29,200 issue that was brought up um in fact um the fort walton beach a city manager was 514 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,640 there and he expressed the same issue how do you enforce this 515 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,960 so with discussion that was brought up that 516 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,040 day there was talks of the county potentially 517 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:46,000 coming up a solution to enforce it overall in fact one of the things they 518 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:50,640 even talked about was to hire um a sheriff officer just to enforce this 519 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,839 that the reason why is the sheriff's office that's out there 520 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,720 right now they're not enforcing their focus on 521 00:39:55,119 --> 00:40:00,960 speeding um other offenses buis so 522 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,240 that's some of the discussion that's brought up in fact um 523 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,880 there is a meeting the next i'm not sure if it's the next 524 00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:10,640 one or the second meeting in may for the 525 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,520 accounting they're supposed to be talking about how to enforce it in fact 526 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:19,280 i recommend having someone from the city of destin attend that meeting 527 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,720 because i believe the fort walton beach that city manager is going to be 528 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,040 attending again too i have a question on that very subject 529 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,160 what was brought up to me via text the other day is that there's 530 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,839 also boats that not only are they operating illegally they got two more 531 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,800 than 12 people on their boats but they're dropping people off at crab 532 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,319 island and leaving 533 00:40:40,319 --> 00:40:45,200 and yeah i'm sure they got some type of arrangements to come back and pick them 534 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:48,720 up but as you and i both know we've lived here long enough and been on the 535 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,680 water long enough it only takes about 15 minutes 536 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,520 for a blue norther especially in july and august to build up over the the 537 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,520 crest view and be through here at 60 mile an hour winds and stuff like that 538 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:04,960 and those people are going to be stuck in a lightning storm so this is not just 539 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,760 a an illegal operator issue this is going to be 540 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,040 this is a huge safety issue 541 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,839 and so i guess 542 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:19,040 we need to have lance or webb at that meeting if 543 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,160 possible i think and so just so we could stay on the same page 544 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:27,680 with the county commissioners we know it's a problem now and it's going to be 545 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:33,000 a real big problem in 20 days so mike did you want to add to that 546 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,000 thanks john 547 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:41,599 mike abbott 530 harbor boulevard uh miss ebay you had a great idea we need to we 548 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,960 need to the guy that you're hiring a guy then 549 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,760 you're paying a guy to work at joe's bayou he's working the ramps now i 550 00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:52,960 realize he's not a deputy he's not he don't want to have he's not going to go 551 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:58,240 out there and arrest anybody but he can certainly get the f the fl numbers off 552 00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,839 of those boats take pictures and turn them over to code enforcement or turn 553 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:06,000 them over to whoever you want to turn them over to 554 00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:10,480 i i also realize that there's some confusion between what's the sheriff's 555 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:14,560 department rules and regulations what's the coast guard regulations what's it 556 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:18,800 was the city's regulations cities regulations are being violated regularly 557 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,880 number one they don't have a city btr they probably don't have a county btr do 558 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,760 they have the proper commercial insurance that they need 559 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,079 okay there's a tremendous amount of people 560 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,839 more so than ever before that are advertising online guys i'm i'm probably 561 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,000 the least internet 562 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:40,960 uh tech person in this room right now and i 563 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,119 can go online in five minutes and come up with a dozen boat rentals and they're 564 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:51,119 all advertising either picking up somewhere in the harbor 565 00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:55,119 illegally or launching at joe's bayou you meet me at joe's bayou or we'll 566 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:58,880 we'll launch at joe's buyer and go pick you up there are city ordinances about i 567 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,440 realize that there's a difference between operating a 568 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,920 business or launching commercial vessels i'll launch my paracel boats and drive 569 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:11,839 around to my ground up around my docks but i'm not allowed to go pick up 570 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,560 passengers and fly amount of joes by you and that's what these technically what 571 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,200 these people are doing they're picking up they're meeting their passengers 572 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,880 there they might have paid them online so 573 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:24,560 they're not actually conducting business collecting money 574 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,720 there but it's operating a business out of joe's bayou which is illegal by city 575 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,720 code from what i understand we've had this dialogue going on for 576 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:36,319 quite some time and and i think one thing that we haven't done and i went to 577 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,880 the livery vessel meeting you know that we had with the sheriff's office and 578 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,720 coast guard and all that and that was very enlightening is uh i know you guys 579 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:46,480 are fine you have a good strong organization um 580 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:50,319 what i would like out of you guys if you could and you could send them to lance 581 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:54,880 is give us some basic uh enforcement ideas 582 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:59,680 from our perspective so we can help facilitate the coast guard fwc 583 00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:04,960 and stuff like that just because you guys are the pros you know what your 584 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:08,560 challenges are who your cheaters are and and i think you would be the the folks 585 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,560 that we would look to for the most professional opinion on how to address 586 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,800 this problem and that keeps you guys engaged with us we it keeps us engaged 587 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:20,560 with you and we could try to come up with some solutions prior to the 588 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,520 hundred days of summer this year you can go online and find a dozen illegal 589 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:29,920 operators in in 10 minutes another thing the county's going to do is and i'm sure 590 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:34,480 some way the city does it do you have to have a brick and mortar location right 591 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,200 to operate you may want to incorporate that in your code if it's not in this 592 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,720 already that's something they just instituted in their ordinance at the 593 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,880 county level correct yes all right so that's an idea for us dewey go ahead 594 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,200 thanks mayor and just for point of clarification 595 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:52,800 you know we we're having a fit with them down at the restaurant on the bay we run 596 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:55,760 them out i'm having to hire a guy to be there every day just to chase them off 597 00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:58,400 if you can uh 598 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:03,520 but you know we're faced with the waterborne version of vrbo now 599 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,560 but to operate that boat commercially you're supposed to have a state of 600 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,599 florida commercial sticker as you know it's a different color 601 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:14,640 if you don't have that you're in violation of that law the other thing i 602 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:18,960 want to just check on when we first took over the joe's bio boat ramp and started 603 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,839 charging we had a special rate for commercial boats because after all there 604 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:26,079 are a lot of commercial boats that operate in in the uh area 605 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:29,200 does that no longer apply it was a thousand dollars back then which was 606 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:33,920 very high it was it was a lot of money and if if 607 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:39,200 that's if that's the case and they don't have that commercial 608 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:42,960 boat launch sticker on their boat then it should be easily enforced are we 609 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:48,000 not doing that anymore has that been struck from the ordinance 610 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:54,560 that is still available but a previous council also voted to allow launch and 611 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:59,280 recovery of uh commercial vehicles on a daily basis too so they're paying the 612 00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:03,520 daily fee well perhaps we need to modify that as our first step and if you're 613 00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:06,720 going to operate commercially out of that ramp it could be a thousand a month 614 00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:10,560 much like it is out on crab island and when they're 615 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:14,160 having to pay the national park service i don't think that would be unreasonable 616 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,520 and if they didn't have that sticker they can't launch 617 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,560 and that you know the folks that are doing this they're very few of them are 618 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,520 going to pay that and that's uh 619 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,119 something we need to have the land user attorney or the city attorney look into 620 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:30,480 that we can modify the ordinance and use that as an enforcement tool anyway if 621 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:35,280 you don't have the sticker you can't launch and that that's exactly how it 622 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:38,800 was prior to this this last change that's right but we definitely have some 623 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,319 ideas and we'd be happy to meet with whoever you 624 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:47,359 you would like us to meet with to share those ideas and just give us a call um 625 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,280 i'll volunteer all right thank you so much okay so 626 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:57,119 get back with me asap so i can get it to uh lance in in in uh in webb and our 627 00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:03,760 attorneys and then we can come back before the council and re-uh um uh look 628 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:08,000 at the original ordinance how it was done 629 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,720 if it's if it's been there before and another council made a exception to that 630 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:17,920 thousand dollar fee or whatever it was well it sounds like it's time for us to 631 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:21,119 re-investigate that you're good 632 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:25,839 yeah you good with that thank you thank you michael all right you guys get with 633 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,839 me as soon as you can 634 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,280 it comes out to about ten thousand dollars a year per book that young 635 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,119 ladies just speaking right there she's paying ten thousand dollars more a year 636 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:43,839 to operate legally than the ones that's out there not operating um i dropped 53 637 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,280 names on on code two months ago last meeting we were at you weren't here 638 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,640 mayor absent they said 639 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:54,640 uh the code needed to report weekly to them what they're doing because it's not 640 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,800 just joe's by you they're burning it up in the harbor burning it up they can run 641 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,920 12 people on a pontoon out of the harbor where i'm at six 642 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:07,200 so i'm have to charge six hundred dollars for my my party they're doing 643 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:10,640 six 612 people out there because they're doing bear boats out there and it's the 644 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,000 coast guard is not their problem if they're a legal bear boat by the time 645 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,680 they get out there it's the code code enforcement has got to stop them right 646 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,920 there you can look online you said you want to know when they're going to leave 647 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,240 and when they're going to get back it's online this man says he he can look 648 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,680 online or you know facebook and all that stuff i'm worse than him and i can find 649 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,119 them all day long just bing bing bing bing on mine i just snap a picture 650 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:36,480 snapping pictures so if you guys want to see it it's right there and i can't wait 651 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:40,880 for our meeting so bring your computer um 652 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:44,319 three weeks ago um 653 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,599 your your harvard master he's out there i flagged him down asking had he stopped 654 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:51,040 written anybody up since the last meeting no i can't find them i got to 655 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:55,200 catch them loading and offloading i said well right there's a boat with 13 people 656 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,240 on it going to go right back into the harbor 657 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,000 i can't do that i should follow them back and you can catch them offloading 658 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,400 so when we're telling them they're not doing it 659 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:08,000 so yes sir 660 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,440 yes sir jimmy real quick and i i just this may be an unpopular question but um 661 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,480 have we what what has been done if anybody can 662 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:20,480 answer this question have we given given these people the opportunity to cease 663 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:25,440 and desist have we contacted them to them obviously it seems like no i know i 664 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:30,640 know it seems like everyone should know all the things that 665 00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:34,319 we know right we're here two mondays out of the month where 666 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:39,760 you guys are living in it all day every day y'all you go through the process 667 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,960 every year backwards and forwards to do it the 668 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,240 right way if people aren't here and they're not 669 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:50,240 involved in this way they might see their pontoon boat and think i can make 670 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:54,240 a thousand dollars a day on that thing that seems real easy have we have we 671 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,720 made any efforts to reach out to these people and say hey you got to quit 672 00:49:56,839 --> 00:50:02,319 eliminating that's my whole question to you did code 673 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,400 ever get back with you right you guys all took a vote and said we want a daily 674 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,800 or weekly report have they got back to you on one i mean there's straight 675 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:14,079 businesses running out of destin harbor that probably don't have no parking 676 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,760 don't have all the stuff that you got to have have they even walked over and 677 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,280 spoke to them have they said hey where's your stuff at oh you don't have it 678 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,880 here's here's your ticket and the the person that's that's renting you the 679 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:29,280 property here's your ticket here's your ticket everybody gets a ticket so until 680 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:33,520 they clean it up all right so there's no grit there's nobody i know of they're 681 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:36,319 running just like it's a normal day and you know you have 682 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:40,480 we are all very much in support of what you're 683 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,160 bringing to us um we just gotta get it done just gotta get it done that's right 684 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:48,240 and by and by having a citizen pointed out to the people there that targets her 685 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,720 boat now wherever she's out there her boat's a target now because she pointed 686 00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:56,319 it out to the uh the people on the on the docks last weekend or so and then 687 00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:00,480 they started cussing her out she called me up and said i just got cussed out by 688 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:03,119 two bare boat charters because i pointed them out to the 689 00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:06,880 and that just makes her a target for somebody to do something bad to her so 690 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:11,760 yeah we'll take care of that too they're always tired enjoy 691 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:15,040 jimmy text me we'll set up a meeting and um if 692 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,200 lance or webb are available during that time frame uh i'll have them join me but 693 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:22,680 we'll we'll do it this week all right we'll get on it 694 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,240 yeah i bet i whipped his butt too 695 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,880 i didn't lose much back in those days 696 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,559 i will be held accountable 697 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:47,520 all right anyone else like to come up to podium 698 00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:50,960 seeing none i'm going to go ahead and close the public comment i just want to 699 00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:55,280 remind everybody you have another opportunity at the end of the meeting 700 00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:01,119 all right let's press on here 701 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:06,160 i'll uh entertain a motion for the consent agenda i'll make that motion i 702 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,160 have a motion 703 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:14,319 i have a second uh just for clarity that's a consent agenda items a through 704 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:17,520 f because we had to change all right 705 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,160 seeing no further discussion smoke please 706 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:29,920 if i don't take a note i'll forget all right now i get to do my little 707 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:35,720 mirror thing first up we have a proclamation of 708 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,720 drinking water week 709 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,290 [Music] 710 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:04,160 city of destin proclamation drinking water week may 1st through the 7th 2022 711 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:09,040 whereas water is our most valuable natural resource and whereas drinking 712 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:12,800 water serves a vital role in daily life serving as an essential purpose to 713 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:18,160 health hydration hygiene needs for the quality of life of our citizens to enjoy 714 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:22,400 and whereas tap water delivers public health protection fire protection 715 00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:26,000 support for our economy and the quality of life we enjoy 716 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:31,839 and whereas the hard work performed by the entire water sector designing 717 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:35,680 capital product products projects operators ensuring the safety and 718 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:39,119 quality of drinking water or a member of a pipe crew maintaining the 719 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:45,440 infrastructure communities rely on to transport high quality drinking water 720 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:49,920 from its source to consumers taps and whereas the kona 721 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:54,480 coronavirus pandemic has shown a light on the importance of drinking water for 722 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:58,480 health hydration and hygiene needs and whereas we are all stewards of the water 723 00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,640 infrastructure upon which fewer generations depend and whereas the 724 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:07,359 citizens of our city are called upon to help protect our sources of water from 725 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:11,359 pollution practice water conservation and get involved with their water by 726 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:16,160 familiarizing themselves with it and whereas deaths and water users is the 727 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:20,640 water service provider for our area now therefore be resolved by that virtue 728 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:24,720 of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of destin i do hereby 729 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,440 proclaim may 1st through the 7th as drinking water 730 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:32,319 week lockwood would you like to say word yes 731 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,720 one of the messages we want to get out is that tap water is there when you when 732 00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:40,799 it's needed and it takes a team to make that happen and we're grateful to one of 733 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,400 our team members the city of destin to make that happen so we can supply the 734 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:53,940 needs of our community thank you mayor thank you 735 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,940 [Applause] 736 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:07,640 up next michael would you like to join us and 737 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,640 your staff 738 00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:21,119 even though these guys work 739 00:55:18,799 --> 00:55:26,559 it's 365 days out of the year even though they're not supposed to 740 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,559 uh this is their week 741 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,079 two weeks all right 742 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:36,480 see they they get two weeks they're really special 743 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:41,520 anyways i would like to read the city of destin proclamation of national public 744 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:45,280 works week right it's just one week but it's just 745 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:50,000 two weeks from now oh okay ready and resilient whereas public works 746 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:53,839 professionals focus on services that are vital importance to sustainable and 747 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:57,040 resilient communities and to the public health high quality of life and 748 00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:00,000 well-being of the people of the city of destin 749 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:04,240 and whereas these services could not be provided without the dedicated efforts 750 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:09,119 of our public works professionals who are responsible for rebuilding improving 751 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:13,920 maintaining and protecting our city's transportation networks storm water 752 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:17,920 infrastructure public buildings and natural resources essential for and to 753 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:22,000 our citizens and whereas it is in the public interest 754 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:26,319 of for our citizens civic leaders and children in the city of destin to gain 755 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,680 knowledge of and to maintain an ongoing interest and understanding of the 756 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:36,400 importance of public works and the public works programs in our community 757 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:40,559 and whereas the year 2022 marks the 62nd annual national public works week 758 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,559 sponsored by the american public works association 759 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,799 now therefore be it proclaimed that i gary jarvis mayor of destin florida on 760 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:53,599 behalf of the city council do hereby designate the week of may 15th through 761 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:57,599 the 21st two weeks from now as national public works week in the 762 00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:01,280 city of destin and urge all citizens to join with representatives of the 763 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:04,240 american public works association and other governmental agencies and paying 764 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:08,000 tribute to our public works professionals recognizing the 765 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,240 substantial contributions they make to protect our health safety and quality of 766 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:16,240 life here in destin so done this second day of may 767 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:20,799 2022. michael would you like say a word sure 768 00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,799 oh thank you 769 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,480 just want to thank the mayor and the council for this recognition of national 770 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:31,119 public works week i would like to personally thank my staff a fantastic 771 00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:36,240 group of dedicated individuals again who work 365 772 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:39,680 rain shine day or night there's a job and we've got to get it 773 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:43,440 done so who do you call on is public works 774 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,440 is that right something like that but anyway uh just again thank you mr mayor 775 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:51,599 thanks city council city manager for all your support 776 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,599 especially in the upcoming budget season the 777 00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:00,319 again well here here let me get behind the 778 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:04,559 dice there but uh again thank you all for um this recognition and we look 779 00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:13,080 forward to serving you now and in the future 780 00:58:06,340 --> 00:58:13,080 [Applause] 781 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,960 good evening mayor and council members city manager we're happy to be here so 782 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,160 thanks for allowing us to come in i just wanted to take a few minutes kind of 783 00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:04,799 briefly update you with with your product where it's at in the stages and 784 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,160 wanted to kind of share with you real quick some some projects throughout the 785 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,960 state just kind of give you an idea as you're progressing and moving forward 786 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:14,480 with your projects some things that's that's taking place in other areas of 787 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:20,079 the state so basically where we're at right now 788 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:23,119 we've already submitted the f the fpl engineering deposit so it started 789 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,920 they're moving forward with that you're probably 790 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:30,240 noticed over the last months survey data collection has been taking place you 791 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:34,480 will see crews probably um you know this afternoon tomorrow possibly into 792 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:37,520 wednesday just data collected the last few points we just wanted to verify a 793 00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:40,880 couple of endpoints match up some manholes things like that so that's all 794 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:44,160 progressive as soon as that data is complete we get it over to the 795 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:48,640 engineering department with fpl and we're already working with them to try 796 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,040 to get that as soon as we get that back we'll start probably within 60 to 90 797 00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:56,160 days start finding out exactly where some of the critical infrastructure 798 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:59,599 locations are going to be and basically what that is where we've got the 799 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,760 transformers and some of the switches where they might fall in the corridor 800 01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:07,200 so we'll quickly start looking at those locations see what we can do to adjust 801 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,240 to make sure that they kind of fit well for the city and you know unfortunately 802 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,680 you know they've got to go somewhere we're just going to try to find the best 803 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:17,839 place that we can we can put those we're also working with the carriers as well 804 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:22,160 to make sure that they're in line with that so that's typically on projects 805 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:26,240 sometimes the cares can fall behind so with that we wanted to kind of share 806 01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:31,040 with you some ongoing projects throughout the state so i know you guys 807 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:34,880 are familiar with longboat key it's a 50 million dollar undergrounding project 808 01:00:32,799 --> 01:00:38,799 so it's a little bit smaller but it's interesting that their 809 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:43,440 island in general has a lot of same similarities as yours does so 810 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:46,720 where we are right now we're close to completing the entire project it was 811 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,319 originally seven years it condensed it down to three we're actually ahead of 812 01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:54,559 schedule quite a bit so just wanted to kind of share as you see things that 813 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,720 in the industry are kind of sliding behind schedule this one is 814 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:03,119 significantly ahead of schedule more importantly it's well under budget um 815 01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:06,799 significantly on the power side and then the contingencies that were set aside 816 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:10,720 there's two million that was set aside zero's been used today so all the boring 817 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:14,319 activities will be done this week so it's a pretty big accomplishment to have 818 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:17,839 all of the boring activities which is your biggest risk typically in a project 819 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,599 um done so i know when we're we're right 820 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:25,520 now dealing with inflationary pressures construct you know contractors timing 821 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:29,280 these are projects that are ongoing during these current conditions that are 822 01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:35,040 performing well this is another project we um i don't 823 01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,720 say it to to brag but just so you know this project here in bradenton beach we 824 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:43,440 our firm just received the consultant of the year award through apwa it was 825 01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:47,680 because of the complexity it's a cra district it's extremely heavy corridor 826 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,280 it's got a lot of businesses as you can see i've got a quick little video on it 827 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:55,280 but you know it had everything that would it could be a potential problem 828 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:59,359 for a project it was ahead of schedule under budget and the businesses were 829 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:03,680 extremely pleased so we just wanted to that one was actually done in the last 830 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:07,520 year so it's fully complete at this stage um 831 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:10,559 so we did encounter some of the same thing that you're seeing with inflation 832 01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:13,920 stuff like that really didn't impact the project to a large degree and like i 833 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,200 said we're under budget and never used the contingency so just wanted to kind 834 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:21,440 of report that so you can see some projects that are actually wrapping up 835 01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:25,359 they're actually going well the procurement that's pretty much the 836 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:29,520 process moving forward on this one so once we get the engineering deposit back 837 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:33,920 from fpl we'll start moving forward we'll get the binding cost estimate from 838 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:37,359 fpl basically that's a convoluted math equation that follows a tariff and the 839 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:41,599 tariff will basically this is what your credit will look like that gets applied 840 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,960 to the project so we've already got some we've got some calculations that we do 841 01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:49,039 to kind of predict that modeling but when we get it back we'll be presenting 842 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:52,240 it quick um you know to council to be able to look at those numbers and see 843 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:57,039 what the actual credit would be we have seen they've they've generally increased 844 01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:00,559 over time because the um you know there's just been a um it's been 845 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:04,319 determined that the underground projects have some significant cost savings to 846 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,599 the utility companies therefore those credits are applied to the project 847 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,920 the um when we get those binding call 848 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,960 assessments we're also trying to have the same ones from the utility carriers 849 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:17,440 so since they're attached to those lines we'll make sure that we have that 850 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:22,160 information the same thing um we'll also be looking to make sure that we have the 851 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:25,920 right qualified contractors fortunately for this type of work it does require 852 01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:30,079 that these contractors are you know they understand that 853 01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:33,920 that type of work that's a kind of lowers that pool of contractors by a 854 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:36,799 significant amount but what that does is it ensures you and what we're looking 855 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:40,319 for is that the contractors that are working on your island they're familiar 856 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:43,920 with this type of work they've worked within these communities it's very 857 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,640 important it's different than boring out you know in other areas so we just want 858 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:51,119 to make sure that we bring that to you so we'll be kind of working with you and 859 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:54,480 sharing that as we go the city of bradenton beach project that 860 01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,920 i talked about i know that you guys have the two cra districts so just 861 01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:02,000 coincidentally we just wrapped that project up so one of what i wanted to 862 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,039 share was this um video 863 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:08,720 real quick and just kind of shows the corridor you can see the polls are still 864 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:12,160 up as you're looking down the street this is the event um you know the big 865 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:17,520 event that everybody waits for is when all the lines and powers and poles come 866 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:20,720 out so it's just kind of a a quick um view of that evening 867 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,400 kind of a long night and then fast forward twelve and a half 868 01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:30,319 hours so the following morning this is probably about six 5 36 in the morning 869 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:34,160 the corridor just the significance of of all that stuff coming down does make a 870 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:38,480 huge impact like you can see as you're going through the video there's a it's 871 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:42,640 just all businesses it's an extremely extremely 872 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:46,480 limited right away tons of pedestrian traffic so as you can imagine with this 873 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,160 that's why it was significant with the award because projects like these 874 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:54,160 typically run behind schedule not as a result of anything on the project team 875 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,520 they're just they have their challenges so i think if you're partnering well 876 01:04:55,839 --> 01:05:01,520 with everybody you're working you can kind of achieve the same goal so that's 877 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:05,200 that's our goal for the city but just wanted to kind of share a quick video 878 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:09,200 with you to kind of see sun's just now coming up but it it i 879 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:13,520 mean the impact is you know everybody at the end of the job of course it 880 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:18,000 says you know the video kind of says more than the words itself so 881 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,039 with that i just like i said just wanted to share with you where we are in the 882 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:24,720 process things are moving well the projects that are you know wrapping up 883 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:27,839 or fully um almost wrapped up or going well so we 884 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:31,760 just wanted to kind of share that with you and if you know by all means if you 885 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,799 have questions i'd love to hear through the process we're here to answer that at 886 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,240 any given time anybody have any questions for mark go 887 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:41,359 ahead mr destin thank you mayor 888 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:44,799 the status of the other utilities the communication the other things are on 889 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:48,079 the polls we asked that question a few months ago is 890 01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:51,839 are they obliged to take their stuff down when we 891 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,039 bury the power lines and did we ever get answer that question 892 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,960 we are we're working with them right now um what we're doing is we part of the 893 01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:02,319 trip here too was to try to just make sure what what we try to do is we don't 894 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,200 want to just assume that what the carriers are giving us is what they 895 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,280 actually have to the pole because we're really we want to avoid for lack of 896 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:12,960 about we just don't want to this city to absorb any betterment right so we want 897 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:17,039 to make sure that what we're providing in the ground is adequate for what's in 898 01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:20,160 the air and not more than that we just don't really want to expand that 899 01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:23,599 infrastructure so it's a little bit of a process as we're working with fpl right 900 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,720 now we're working with them to try to get their pieces and and the cost 901 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:31,280 estimates for that to tie into our earlier conversations with them so i 902 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:34,880 would imagine during these the survey is kind of critical too because a lot of 903 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,240 them are asking for that survey because it's got the cad format that they like 904 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:42,400 to go back to their systems and start plugging in some exact numbers so when 905 01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:45,359 we get that survey we'll be able to forward that information to them quick 906 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,520 but yeah we're definitely wanting to make sure that 907 01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:51,280 we don't here's what i can share with you on all 908 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:55,039 of the ongoing projects of those two that we just said are near completion of 909 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:58,079 bradenton being complete we've not had any issues with the cures being attached 910 01:06:56,799 --> 01:07:02,079 to the polls and we're ready to take them down that's usually a major major 911 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,119 issue a lot of these projects yeah i'm just you know a little 912 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:09,039 concerned because that's pretty critical if we bury one and the others are still 913 01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:12,799 there we haven't really accomplished anything yeah we're doing something 914 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:15,839 pinellas and that was a big issue for some previous projects you know they 915 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:19,200 what we don't ever want to see it's it's kind of a personal pet peeve i don't 916 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,720 want to see the power company done the polls getting cut and topped off and 917 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,760 those care lines we want the polls out at the same time so 918 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:29,920 i can promise you we'll be pushing hard to make sure that the carers are kind of 919 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:34,000 in that same pattern okay thanks thank you on that same line of questioning 920 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,000 mark 921 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:40,960 in your experience especially here in florida of course 922 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:45,839 what type of pushback do you have sometimes with with the cable company 923 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:50,480 and telephone and that kind of stuff and how do you remediate those issues is 924 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,920 that something we have to be involved with or 925 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:57,839 you guys pretty good at we hope you don't have to be involved because that 926 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,520 might be you know um us not not performing well on our side of things i 927 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:05,440 mean that's our our job we feel is to kind of rain that in and and um make 928 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,640 sure that it's it's handled like i said we just we don't have that issue doesn't 929 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:12,319 mean that something might not come up that you can't avoid 930 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,440 but i think it's just building relationships with them working with 931 01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:18,080 them we just try to you know help them out as much as we can i think that goes 932 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:21,839 a long way so it's just it's a partnership we just have to develop so 933 01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,960 we're working with them closely to make sure that they feel comfortable that 934 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:29,600 we're here to help them not just demand a bunch of information and and rely on 935 01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,600 that so 936 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,880 all right thank you very much thanks for having me all right thank you mark 937 01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:44,960 all right up next public comments um i just want to remind everybody you get 938 01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:49,520 three minutes um when you come up to the podium turn 939 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,799 on your microphone just state your name and your address for the public record 940 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,640 uh when you get close to your three minutes i'll politely ask you to wrap up 941 01:08:54,560 --> 01:09:01,520 your thoughts and then we'll move on to the next one i also want to remind you 942 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:05,920 we do have some public hearings today so if if what you'd like to talk about is 943 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,120 actually related to those public hearings this is not the time to to do 944 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:16,159 that this is for anything that's on the agenda other than public hearings and 945 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:19,520 anything else that might be a issue for you that you just want to 946 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:23,679 share with the council tonight this is uh there'll be a at the very end 947 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:29,520 of the meeting as well you'll have another opportunity 948 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:32,640 to to speak for three minutes on you can bring up the same thing you 949 01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:36,159 talked about before if you don't think that we heard you loud 950 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:41,759 and clear but uh so there'll be two opportunities for public input 951 01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:45,359 on other than public hearings and then there will be an opportunity on each one 952 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,600 of the three public hearings we're having to make public comment as well so 953 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:52,640 with that being said i'm going to start at the center of the 954 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:56,960 room and work that way just throw a wrench 955 01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:01,880 into spoke so there's anybody here in the center of the room would like to 956 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,880 come up make a public comment 957 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,239 damn i can't believe you ain't coming up ken 958 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:14,600 you let me down brother anyone over here 959 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:14,600 nope yep come on up 960 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:25,040 can we can we do one at a time or you need both guys 961 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,920 oh okay i was gonna say you get six minutes that way versus three but go 962 01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:31,120 ahead just uh hit the button state your name 963 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,760 address both of you go ahead for the public record 964 01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:40,719 okay got it all right i'm ben costan address is 327 mountain drive owner of 965 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:46,880 rhodes auto repairs and tobacco i'm scott leach owner of 966 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:51,440 destin towing 112 mountain drop we're just here to talk about trying to 967 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:55,520 get the rates raised for the sheriff and highway patrol toes and the 968 01:10:53,440 --> 01:11:00,800 private property tows the rates as far as i know haven't been 969 01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:03,840 raised since 2015 and it's my understanding i don't really 970 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:07,760 know how this works but luther rhodes told me that to bring it before the city 971 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,400 council the city council approves it then they take it to the county and so 972 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:16,000 on and so on not 100 percent sure if that's the right way but that's what i 973 01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:20,400 was told what's the rate real quick so currently 974 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:25,280 um he does more stuff than i do but for 975 01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:29,679 what i do is mostly accidents abandoned vehicles or rests 976 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:33,440 stuff like that currently it's 150 for the tow 977 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:38,560 and then it's 50 a day storage which it's been that since 2015. and he 978 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:43,679 also does private property which is what 125 for the tow 979 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:48,960 and 25 a day storage yeah um and to be honest with you the 980 01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:53,440 private property tokens the 981 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:59,360 the backlash that we get on the back end it's like oh my god it's ridiculous 982 01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:03,679 yeah i don't even do that like people i'm like call scott i'm not doing it 983 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:08,800 he's way bigger than me he can i'm not i'm not doing it but 984 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:13,280 the price of fuel is going up i mean today i spent eighteen hundred dollars 985 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:17,280 to fill up my big record it's getting ridiculous it's getting out 986 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:22,000 of hand and people believe it or not with the private property telling stuff 987 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,960 the people that give us the most problems 988 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:30,400 is not the tourist it's the locals 989 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:34,400 i mean honestly it truly is the locals that gives us the most problems 990 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,280 and we get out 991 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,440 say for instance we go out and we work a wreck scene for somebody that's right 992 01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:45,120 drinking and driving we get out there and spend 993 01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:51,520 an hour out there cleaning up a mess in the blazing sun on the asphalt it's like 994 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:54,239 150 ducks is it worth it can we get it up a little bit higher 995 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:58,880 because i mean we we 996 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:02,880 cleaning up a mess in a hurry yeah no that's just like public works are on 997 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:06,640 call 365s a day or 365 days a year 24 hours a day it 998 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:10,960 doesn't matter if you're eating christmas breakfast with your kids fhp 999 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:14,080 calls you gotta go now it doesn't matter if it's three in the morning it doesn't 1000 01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:18,719 matter when it is and it's the same with the sheriff's department i mean and 1001 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:22,000 without fail i mean we got 30 minutes to get from wherever we're at 1002 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:24,560 whatever we're doing to them 1003 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,120 in 30 minutes regardless 1004 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:30,320 and it's it's one of them things where 1005 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:35,840 times are changing times are definitely changing cars are getting bigger trucks 1006 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,280 are getting bigger messes are getting a lot our trucks are 1007 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:42,960 getting bigger like in 2015 you could buy a flatbed record for 70 000. i just 1008 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,560 bought a brand new one last year and it was 106. 1009 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:50,560 the same way with me so when somebody says why is it total 1010 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:54,960 150 dollars well the truck's 106 grand it gets eight miles to the gown at five 1011 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,080 dollars a gallon the insurance is i looked up my insurance so i told kevin 1012 01:13:56,719 --> 01:14:04,000 i said i need some numbers because i am a numbers guy but in 2017 our entire 1013 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:08,480 operation insurance package was 17 000. this year it's 22. 1014 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:12,480 fuel is double the trucks are close to double 1015 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:17,440 and salaries are up you're paying guys 30 35 bucks an hour now instead of 25. i 1016 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:21,280 got i got the biggest truck in the county the biggest tow truck in this 1017 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:25,199 county my insurance for the year 1018 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:30,000 75 000 for the year that's for my whole fleet 1019 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:34,640 i bought a brand new rollback peterbilt just like his 106 000. five miles to the 1020 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:38,320 gallon the big record we're four miles to the 1021 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:42,800 gallon and it's like you know we have to have 1022 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,960 it yeah go ahead kevin i've got some questions for you we have questions 1023 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:51,679 you want to ask some questions first oh we can't we we can ask you guys have 1024 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:55,600 any questions now go ahead well i appreciate you guys coming um 1025 01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:59,120 this was under my name at the end and there's it's in your 1026 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:01,600 packet i believe as well um 1027 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,960 but since they're here in the public comments section i figured 1028 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:09,840 get them up here earlier rather than eight or nine o'clock tonight so thank 1029 01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:13,920 you both for coming uh thanks guys i was in i was in the shop 1030 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:18,000 supporting one of them and and they brought this up and and you know when we 1031 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:22,640 looked into it we realized it hasn't been done since 2015. 1032 01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:25,840 so you know i mentioned to ben there's a process and the process is what they're 1033 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,880 doing right now and so 1034 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:33,679 with that i was going to make a motion to direct the city manager to work with 1035 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:39,040 staff to bring back some updated changes for the resolution 1502 1036 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:42,159 can i second that motion sure 1037 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,920 got a second well we got a motion got a second any 1038 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:48,960 discussion we have the gentleman up here that we couldn't answer any questions 1039 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:53,840 that any of you have seeing none gentlemen thank you and 1040 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,840 we'll take a vote 1041 01:15:54,320 --> 01:16:01,280 now we go sit down thank you all for coming and it's nice 1042 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:05,199 to have local owners and business people here to speak about the situation so 1043 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,719 thank you all right so 1044 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:11,600 let's go ahead and take a vote on the motion in a second 1045 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:18,080 the eyes haven't you know so moved so staff will come back and 1046 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:23,199 if you'll have another opportunity to speak when you see the documents okay 1047 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:29,040 thank you guys alrighty then anyone else we're still a 1048 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,040 public comic come on up 1049 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:39,040 hello my name is madison sullivan my address is 4507 for ling ling justin 1050 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:44,159 florida i wanted to talk about my concerns for 1051 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:49,679 the ever-growing presence of illegal charters coming out of destin florida 1052 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:55,280 on any given weekend you can go to joe's bayou and watch it's like a show you 1053 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:59,280 just get to watch illegal charters drop off at our city parks 1054 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,960 i was there for about 20 minutes on saturday and i recorded 1055 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,120 two boat charters dropping off 1056 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:11,120 while the city park attendant quite literally looked the other way the 1057 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:14,800 entire time he didn't go up and give any warnings 1058 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:19,360 he didn't ask any questions or take any pictures 1059 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:24,080 which i'm not sure why it's very obvious i can spot them from a mile away 1060 01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:28,800 anywhere i go i've been at dewey dustin's like two weeks ago and i saw 1061 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:33,360 charters getting dropped off at dewey dustin i know it's hard to 1062 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:37,600 regulate but they're very easy to spot um and it just kind of seems like a 1063 01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:41,840 broken system because i've called sheriffs over to my boat before and 1064 01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,440 pointed them out at crab island and they've told me to take a picture send 1065 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:50,239 it in it doesn't seem like it's a law that's 1066 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:54,960 being enforced in any way and i wanted to know what you guys were doing about 1067 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,679 it and ways i can work with you guys to point out these illegal charters because 1068 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:03,360 i own a charter company i've had to jump through hoops to do 1069 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:08,320 everything the right way i pay my three percent to the national parks my 400 1070 01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:12,640 dollars to the county every month and 1071 01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:15,920 have my btr a place to pick up and i'm watching 1072 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:20,239 all these other boats just take advantage of the system and 1073 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:26,159 work it and i don't know why nobody wants to do anything about it when i 1074 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:30,480 when i point it out to them anyone want go ahead rodney i'll i'll 1075 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,440 step in thanks 1076 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:38,239 um i know we've been talking about this the council and staff um 1077 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:41,120 city manager what's what's being done if anything 1078 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:46,080 to try to resolve this i know we've talked about it it's it's difficult to 1079 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:49,120 enforce or to catch them but but what's i guess 1080 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:53,040 and i guess it's not the attendant at the boat ramp to to police 1081 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:57,120 it is code enforcement co-compliance are they doing anything 1082 01:18:57,199 --> 01:19:03,440 yeah and so i've worked both with 1083 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:06,239 lisa firth the parks director to work with 1084 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:11,120 her staff at the launch to try to educate them on this problem and what to 1085 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:13,920 look for so that they can get in contact with code enforcement who has the 1086 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:21,120 ability to do some enforcement of our codes 1087 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:24,560 our code is trying to respond now more because they're aware of it thanks 1088 01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:28,320 to folks like you because i wasn't i wasn't aware of it 1089 01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:33,040 until a couple weeks ago when i when i heard some of the comments so 1090 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:37,360 our code is is working hard to get over there and i will say not as an excuse 1091 01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:42,640 but just as a fact that our code is short right now a couple of people so a 1092 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:47,440 few people so please bear with us and we will get this problem taken care of 1093 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:52,159 and as she said it is a challenge to identify some of the votes 1094 01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:57,199 and some of them it's not i mean it's a dime a dozen if you count 12 pontoon 1095 01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:00,480 boats out there 10 of them are illegal yeah and 1096 01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:04,400 just to address this madison it's not just in the livery vessel business 1097 01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:08,639 it's rampant in the state licensed guide 1098 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:12,560 boats it's rampant in the federally chartered for hire 1099 01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:16,560 business and now it's actually becoming an issue with private yacht charters 1100 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:21,120 and about two weeks ago three weeks ago we 1101 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:26,000 had the united states coast guard here briefing this council on what 1102 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:32,000 constitutes a charter what constitutes a bear boat contract and in the issues 1103 01:20:30,639 --> 01:20:37,600 my dealings with national marine fisheries with the coast guard fwc and 1104 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:42,239 our sheriff's office that has a marine unit is 1105 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:46,239 you have to make a case and you have to make a case that's going 1106 01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:49,520 to stand up in a court of law and so when they tell you to take pictures and 1107 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:54,560 you hand it over to them and it doesn't seem like anything's being done 1108 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:58,880 things are being done but it takes time to do an investigation and make a case 1109 01:20:56,719 --> 01:21:02,960 lots of times we'll turn people in and we don't see nothing for five or six 1110 01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:07,920 months and that but when they get them they get them really really good because 1111 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:14,239 now fines are up to sixty thousand dollars and just last week an illegal 1112 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:17,360 pontoon operator was arrested given tickets 1113 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,639 and he was out there on sunday he was one of the ones dropping off at joe's 1114 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:24,400 bayou i know exactly who you're talking about and he was dropping off at joe's 1115 01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,000 bayou on sunday using the city permanently he hasn't 1116 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:33,120 stayed in court yet and that may change when he gets his fine but but so all we 1117 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:38,080 can do is like it's not that people are ignorant to the problem but it's going 1118 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:42,000 to take an entire community and it's like what we do in the charter industry 1119 01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:46,159 is we are the policeman because we are the eyes and ears of what's going on in 1120 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,000 our community and so you just got to keep turning them in and keep putting 1121 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:54,560 the pressure up delivery vessel organization now that represents all you 1122 01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:59,520 guys is totally aware of it they're doing the same thing we recognize it 1123 01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:03,920 we'll do the best we can on the code enforcement side of things but you just 1124 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:08,880 got to catch the bad guys you know we can't legislate morality unfortunately 1125 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:13,120 we can do it through ordinances and in our code enforcement stuff but this 1126 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:17,040 council and myself being a licensed captain we're not blind to the problem 1127 01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:21,679 and we're going to try and do a better job the season is just about to begin 1128 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,159 but nobody um nobody you know there's a couple of 1129 01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:29,520 my friends they got me on speed dial they're sending me pictures all the time 1130 01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:33,199 come on mayor this is an illegal operator 1131 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,880 the one you and i are just talking about you know sooner or later the price gets 1132 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:40,080 the point where where they'll have their day in court that's 1133 01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:43,679 all i could tell you right now but but don't assume that we're not caring don't 1134 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:47,280 assume that we're not doing anything about it and don't assume that those 1135 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:50,800 people are going to pay the price at some point mr man go ahead this question 1136 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:55,520 please are we taking 1137 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:59,679 how do we do something does code enforcement have to come out 1138 01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:03,920 and see it and then we we're now filing it or do we 1139 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:10,480 take pictures that are submitted by a citizen to be used in as evidence 1140 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:16,639 illegal charters is a u.s coast guard problem no i'm wondering what nfw's what 1141 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:20,400 my concern is is the the law of liberties that was put in place that's 1142 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,239 where the city of destin can step in and say you're not allowed to pick up at our 1143 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:27,840 ramps and even just stopping them right there in the process while they're 1144 01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:31,600 picking up at joe's bayou or dewey dustin's or anywhere else that they're 1145 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:35,920 doing it stopping them in the process is enough to scare them if you go on to any 1146 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:41,760 of the apps that they're using they're advertising joe's by you um all these 1147 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:45,679 different spots like right there making a call that's something that i 1148 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:51,840 feel like this even the sheriffs could enforce because it's a city law so 1149 01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:56,000 how do we so to answer your evidentiary question it can be done 1150 01:23:53,679 --> 01:24:01,440 either way if we get pictures then staff takes that as a complaint and 1151 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:04,320 goes and investigates themselves but when they come out there they're 1152 01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:09,280 already gone right no longer but but 1153 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:12,239 if it's ongoing they should be able to catch them if 1154 01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:15,280 it's ongoing yeah next time theoretically if they're in and out in 1155 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:21,040 10 20 minutes and we never can respond quick enough 1156 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:21,040 due to staff shortages or whatever else 1157 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:27,840 if a member of the public that took pictures wants to testify though then 1158 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:31,120 that could be used as evidence as well if they were willing to they don't have 1159 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:34,560 to staff can also go out and witness it themselves so i'm not trying to put 1160 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:38,719 anything on the public at all but if they chose to they could and then the 1161 01:24:36,719 --> 01:24:42,239 other method would just be to regularly monitor 1162 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,960 certain areas but you know the director of code enforcement management would 1163 01:24:43,679 --> 01:24:49,440 have to decide where to put those resources just uh my two cents and i 1164 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:54,880 appreciate it but maybe if citizens are submitting stuff 1165 01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:58,960 we have some type of databases to just to ship just to see a repeat offender so 1166 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:02,639 we can tell the attendant you know you did it once you did it 1167 01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:07,120 twice you did it three times now the fourth time this particular 1168 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:11,120 person has come through here now we can potentially 1169 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:14,000 go to our employee or your you know your employee and 1170 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,920 kind of crack the whip a little bit just my two cents but thank you thank you 1171 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:22,000 thank you for bringing it to me and and i want to 1172 01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:26,560 reiterate what kevin is saying city manager 1173 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:31,520 the boat ramp at joe's bayou our employees don't know that they should 1174 01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:36,320 help with that because they have told not me but people in front of me and 1175 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,840 people behind me that's not my job it's none of your business don't worry 1176 01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:43,600 about them and i just think they don't understand 1177 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:48,159 that at that vote ramp they shouldn't be allowing anyone to launch they they have 1178 01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:52,000 the control he's telling what peer to launch at 1179 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:55,600 we could help him give him more empowerment on 1180 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,760 you know what's not right you know who's not really a citizen who's not really a 1181 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:04,480 chartered vote that would be how we could help stop it 1182 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:08,639 is giving him the power telling him you do have the power because we need you to 1183 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:12,239 help us help this madeline brings up a 1184 01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:16,800 nice point when she says we are the ones that put the moratorium on 1185 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:21,520 livery vessels and death in which does put a level of responsibility for 1186 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:24,400 us to protect those who have fallen under that moratorium and have the 1187 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:29,280 exclusive business invested so you're correct 1188 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:34,239 you know we're the ones that put that limit on the people that are legally 1189 01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:39,280 operating within the city limits and using a btr city so we do have a level 1190 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:43,199 of responsibility to protect you and the other liberty vessels that are 1191 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:46,880 operating under that moratorium john would you like to come up and address 1192 01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:51,120 some of what she's saying too i just you know i just kind of 1193 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,560 this this is a good time for for a little 1194 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:57,520 livery discussion thank you madame thank you very much 1195 01:26:56,159 --> 01:27:01,760 and you're more welcome to come back up here too john stephens 40 25 indian 1196 01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:06,639 trail um so kind of piggybacking off what was just said at the last county 1197 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:10,560 commissioner meeting this was the same issue that was brought up 1198 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:16,000 in fact the fort walton beach a city manager was there and he expressed the 1199 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:19,520 same issue how do you enforce this so 1200 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:23,920 with discussion that was brought up that day there was talks of 1201 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:27,280 the county potentially coming up a solution to enforce it 1202 01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:33,440 overall in fact one of the things they even talked about was to hire 1203 01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:36,880 a sheriff officer just to enforce this that the reason why 1204 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:41,199 is the sheriff's office that's out there right now they're not enforcing their 1205 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:44,159 focus on um speeding um other offenses buis 1206 01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:47,120 so that's some of the discussion that's 1207 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:50,320 brought up in fact um there is a meeting 1208 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:53,360 the next i'm not sure if it's the next one or 1209 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:57,760 the second meeting in may um for the accounting um they're supposed to be 1210 01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:02,400 talking about how to enforce it in fact i recommend having someone from the city 1211 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,960 of destin attend that meeting because i believe the fort walton beach 1212 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:09,920 that city manager is going to be attending again too 1213 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:14,480 my question on that very subject what was brought up to me 1214 01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:18,719 via text the other day is that there's also boats that not only are they 1215 01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:22,239 operating illegally they got two more than 12 people on their boats but 1216 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:24,880 they're dropping people off at crab island 1217 01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:28,239 and leaving and yeah i'm sure they got some type of 1218 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:31,199 arrangements to come back pick them up but as you and i both know we've lived 1219 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:34,000 here long enough and been on the water long enough it only takes about 15 1220 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:38,000 minutes for a blue norther especially in july 1221 01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:41,520 and august to build up over the the crest view and be through here at 60 1222 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:47,199 mile an hour winds and stuff like that and those people are going to be stuck 1223 01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:50,480 in a lightning storm so this is not just a an illegal operator issue this is 1224 01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:53,679 going to be this is a huge 1225 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:56,719 safety issue and so 1226 01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:00,880 i guess we need to have 1227 01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:04,960 lance or webb at that meeting if possible i think and so 1228 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,880 just so we could stay on the same page with the county commissioners we know 1229 01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:14,159 it's a problem now and it's going to be a real big problem in 20 days so 1230 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:16,719 mike did you want to add to that thanks john 1231 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:26,080 hi cabinet 530 harvard boulevard miss abe you had a great idea we need to 1232 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,440 we need to the guy that you're hiring a guy then 1233 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:34,239 you're paying a guy to work at joe's bayou he's working the ramps now i 1234 01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:37,440 realize he's not a deputy he's not he don't want to have he's not going to go 1235 01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:42,719 out there and arrest anybody but he can certainly get the f the fl numbers off 1236 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:46,320 of those boats take pictures and turn them over to code enforcement or turn 1237 01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:50,480 them over to whoever you want to turn them over to 1238 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:54,960 i i also realize that there's some confusion between what's the sheriff's 1239 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:59,040 department rules and regulations what's the coast guard regulations what's 1240 01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:03,280 was the city's regulations cities regulations are being violated regularly 1241 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:07,360 number one they don't have a city btr they probably don't have a county btr do 1242 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,239 they have the proper commercial insurance that they need 1243 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,560 okay there's a tremendous amount of people 1244 01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:18,320 more so than ever before that are advertising online guys i'm i'm probably 1245 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,480 the least internet 1246 01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:25,440 uh tech person in this room right now and i 1247 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:29,600 can go online in five minutes and come up with a dozen boat rentals and they 1248 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:35,600 were all advertising either picking up somewhere in the harbor 1249 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:39,600 illegally are launching at joe's bayou you meet me at joe's bayou oh we'll 1250 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,360 we'll launch at joe's buy and go pick you up there are city ordinances about i 1251 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:47,920 realize that there's a difference between operating a 1252 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:51,679 business or launching commercial vessels i'll launch my paracel boats and drive 1253 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:56,320 around to my ground up around to my docks but i'm not allowed to go pick up 1254 01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:59,040 passengers and fly amount of joes by you and that's what these technically what 1255 01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:01,679 these people are doing they're picking up they're meeting their passengers 1256 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:05,440 there they might have paid them online so 1257 01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:09,040 they're not actually conducting business collecting money 1258 01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:13,600 there but it's operating a business out of joe's bayou which is illegal by city 1259 01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:17,679 code from what i understand we've had this dialogue going on for quite some 1260 01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:21,120 time and and i think one thing that we haven't done and i went to the livery 1261 01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,400 vessel meeting you know that we had with the sheriff's office and coast guard and 1262 01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:29,199 all that and that was very enlightening is uh i know you guys are fine you have 1263 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:32,719 a good strong organization um what i would like out of you guys if you 1264 01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:37,120 could and you could send them to lance is give us some basic 1265 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:42,560 uh enforcement ideas from our perspective so we can help 1266 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:46,000 facilitate the coast guard fwc and stuff like that just because you 1267 01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:51,440 guys are the pros you know what your challenges are who your cheaters are and 1268 01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:54,880 and i think you would be the the folks that we would look to for the most 1269 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:59,199 professional opinion on how to address this problem and that keeps you guys 1270 01:31:57,040 --> 01:32:03,520 engaged with us we it keeps us engaged with you and we could try to 1271 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:07,199 come up with some solutions prior to the hundred days of summer this year you can 1272 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:11,840 go online and find a dozen illegal operators in in 10 minutes another thing 1273 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:16,159 the company's going to do is and i'm sure if some way the city does it do you 1274 01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:19,840 have to have a brick and mortar location right to operate you may want to 1275 01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:23,199 incorporate that in your code if it's not in this already that's something 1276 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:26,880 they just instituted in their ordinance at the county level correct yes all 1277 01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:32,080 right so that's an idea for us dewey go ahead thanks mayor and just for point of 1278 01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:35,440 clarification you know we we're having a fit with them 1279 01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:38,560 down at at the restaurant on the bay we run them out i'm having to hire a guy to 1280 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:42,880 be there every day just to chase them off if you can 1281 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:48,000 but you know we're faced with the waterborne version of vrbo now 1282 01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:51,040 but to operate that boat commercially you're supposed to have a state of 1283 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:54,080 florida commercial sticker as you know it's a different color 1284 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:59,120 if you don't have that you're in violation of that law the other thing i 1285 01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:02,239 want to just check on when we first took over the joe's bio boat ramp and started 1286 01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:05,440 charging we had a special rate for commercial 1287 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,800 boats because after all there are a lot of commercial boats that operate in the 1288 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:12,560 uh area does that no longer apply it was a 1289 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:16,400 thousand dollars back then which was very high 1290 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:21,199 it was it was a lot of money and if if that's if that's the case 1291 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:26,000 and they don't have that commercial um launch sticker on their boat 1292 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:29,120 then it should be easily enforced are we not doing that anymore has that been 1293 01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:35,679 struck from the ordinance that is still available but a previous 1294 01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:40,480 council also voted to allow launch and recovery of 1295 01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:44,320 commercial vehicles on a daily basis too so they're paying the daily fee well 1296 01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:48,639 perhaps we need to modify that as our first step and if you're going to 1297 01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:51,120 operate commercially out of that ramp it could be a thousand a month much like it 1298 01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:55,040 is out on crab island and when they're 1299 01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:58,639 having to pay the national park service i don't think that would be unreasonable 1300 01:33:56,480 --> 01:34:02,000 and if they didn't have that sticker they can't launch 1301 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:05,040 and that you know the folks that are doing this they're very few of them are 1302 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,920 going to pay that and that's uh 1303 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:11,600 something we need to have the land user attorney or the city attorney look into 1304 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:14,960 that we can modify the ordinance and use that as an enforcement tool anyway if 1305 01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:19,760 you don't have the sticker you can't launch and that that's exactly how it 1306 01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:23,280 was prior to this this last change that's right but we definitely have some 1307 01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:26,800 ideas and we'd be happy to meet with whoever you 1308 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:31,760 you would like us to meet with to share those ideas plans just give us a call um 1309 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:35,760 i'll volunteer all right thank you so much okay so 1310 01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:41,600 get back with me asap so i can get it to uh lance and in in uh and webb and our 1311 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:47,920 attorneys and then we can come back before the council and re-uh um 1312 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:52,400 look at the original ordinance how it was done 1313 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:57,199 if it's if it's been there before and another council made a exception to that 1314 01:34:55,040 --> 01:35:02,400 thousand dollar fee or whatever it was well it sounds like it's time for us to 1315 01:35:00,119 --> 01:35:05,600 re-investigate that you're good 1316 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:10,320 yeah you good with that thank you thank you michael all right you guys get with 1317 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,320 me as soon as you can 1318 01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:17,679 it comes out to about ten thousand dollars a year per boat that young 1319 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:21,600 lady's just speaking right there she's paying ten thousand dollars more a year 1320 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:28,639 to operate legally than the ones that's out there not operating um i dropped 53 1321 01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:31,760 names on on code two months ago last meeting we were at you weren't here 1322 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:35,199 mayor absent they said 1323 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:39,119 uh the code needed to report weekly to them what they're doing because it's not 1324 01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:43,280 just joe's bayou they're burning it up in the harbor burning it up it can run 1325 01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,400 12 people on a pontoon out of the harbor where i'm at six 1326 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:51,440 so i'm have to charge six hundred dollars for my my party they're doing 1327 01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:54,639 600 for 12 people out there because they're doing bear boats out there and 1328 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:57,760 it's the coast guard is not their problem if they're a legal bear boat by 1329 01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:01,840 the time they get out there it's the code code enforcement has got to stop 1330 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:04,000 them right there you can look online you said you want to know when they're going 1331 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:08,560 to leave and when they're going to get back it's online this man says he he can 1332 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:11,840 look online or you know facebook and all that stuff i'm worse than him and i can 1333 01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:15,280 find them all day long just bing bing bing bing bing on mine i just snap a 1334 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:19,110 picture snap a picture so if you guys want to see it it's right there and i 1335 01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:23,600 can't wait for our meeting [Laughter] 1336 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:26,400 so bring your computer three weeks ago 1337 01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:30,159 um you're you're harbor master he's out 1338 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:34,000 there i flagged him down asking me had he stopped written anybody up since the 1339 01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:37,600 last meeting no i can't find him i gotta catch some loading and offload and i 1340 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:41,199 said well right there's a boat with 13 people on it going to go right back into 1341 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:44,639 the harbor i can't do that i should fall back and 1342 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:48,880 you can catch them offloading so when we're telling them they're not doing it 1343 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:52,480 so yes sir 1344 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:55,920 yes sir jimmy real quick and i i just this may be an unpopular question but um 1345 01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:00,960 have we what what has been done if anybody can 1346 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:04,960 answer this question have we given given these people the opportunity to cease 1347 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:09,920 and desist have we contacted them to them obviously it seems like i know i 1348 01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:15,119 know it's it seems like everyone should know all the things that 1349 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:18,800 we know right we're here two mondays out of the month where 1350 01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:24,239 you guys are living in it all day every day y'all you go through the process 1351 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:27,440 every year backwards and forwards to do it the 1352 01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:30,719 right way if people aren't here and they're not 1353 01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:34,719 involved in this way they might see their pontoon boat and think i can make 1354 01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:38,719 a thousand dollars a day on that thing that seems real easy have we have we 1355 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:43,199 made any efforts to reach out to these people and say hey you got to quit 1356 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,800 eliminating something that's my whole question to you did code 1357 01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:50,880 ever get back with you right you guys all took a vote and said we want a daily 1358 01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:54,560 or weekly report have they got back to you on one i mean there's straight 1359 01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:58,159 businesses running out of the destin harbor that probably don't have no 1360 01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:02,000 parking don't have all the stuff that you got to have have they even walked 1361 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:05,760 over and spoke to them as they say hey where's your stuff at oh you don't have 1362 01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:09,360 it here's here's your ticket and the the person that's that's renting you the 1363 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:13,600 property here's your ticket here's your ticket everybody gets a ticket so until 1364 01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,000 they clean it up all right so there's no imprint there's nobody i know of they're 1365 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,800 running just like it's a normal day and you know you have 1366 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:24,960 we are all very much in support of what you're 1367 01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:28,639 bringing to us um we just gotta get it done just gotta get it done that's right 1368 01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:32,719 and by and by having a citizen pointed out to the people there that targets her 1369 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:37,280 boat now where she's out there her boat's a target now because she pointed 1370 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:40,800 it out to the uh the people on the on the docks last weekend or so and then 1371 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:44,960 they started cussing her out she called me up and said i just got cussed out by 1372 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:47,600 two bare boat charters because i pointed them out to the 1373 01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:51,360 and that just makes her a target for somebody to do something bad to her so 1374 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:56,239 yeah we'll take care of that too they're always tired enjoy 1375 01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:59,520 jimmy text me we'll set up a meeting and um if 1376 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:03,679 lance or weber available during that time frame uh i'll have them join me but 1377 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:06,320 we'll we'll do it this week all right we'll get on it 1378 01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,719 yeah i bet i whipped his butt too 1379 01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:19,679 i didn't lose much back in those days 1380 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:25,560 i will be held accountable 1381 01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:32,000 all right anyone else like to come up to podium 1382 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:35,440 seeing none i'm going to go ahead and close the public comment i just want to 1383 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:39,760 remind everybody you have another opportunity at the end of the meeting 1384 01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:46,000 all right let's press on here 1385 01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:50,560 i'll entertain a motion for the consent agenda i'll make that motion i have a 1386 01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:50,560 motion 1387 01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:58,800 i have a second uh just for clarity that's a consent agenda items a through 1388 01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:02,000 f because we had to change all right 1389 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:05,400 seeing no further discussion smoke please 1390 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:12,239 the vote is unanimous so moved 1391 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:24,560 moving right along lance take it away thank you mr mayor um item 4a is a solid 1392 01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:29,920 waste franchise negotiations with waste management incorporated if you remember 1393 01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:34,560 council had asked staff to reach out to waste management see if we could 1394 01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:40,239 enter into some negotiations for an upcoming contract and uh waste 1395 01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:44,880 management has come back and given us a proposal that we believe 1396 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:48,320 is a fair proposal it keeps the level of service at the same 1397 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:51,679 level as a 1398 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:56,159 customer of theirs personally i think i mean i've i've got zero complaints with 1399 01:40:54,159 --> 01:41:00,159 the level of service that i've been getting from them in years and i hear 1400 01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:03,679 the same from other residents around town 1401 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:08,159 um there is a basic flat rate of approximately 10 percent increase that 1402 01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:13,920 they're recommending which in today's day and age does not seem unreasonable 1403 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:18,560 they're all also outlined three different franchise fee percentages that 1404 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:23,280 we could utilize one three and six percent and i believe 1405 01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:28,960 even at six percent um the total increase quarterly for someone 1406 01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:34,159 like myself on residential um use would only be around an additional ten dollars 1407 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:39,199 a quarter i know it is different for the business rates but we do have 1408 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:45,360 members of the waste management here and we have mr warren here if you have 1409 01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:50,560 additional questions about this item i have a few questions up 1410 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:54,000 uh lined up and uh if need be to answer those questions i'll ask one of the 1411 01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:58,840 gentlemen here to come up and answer them for us mr destin you're first 1412 01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:03,520 thank you mayor um the franchise agreement if memory 1413 01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:06,800 serves me correctly is in the form of an ordinance that we 1414 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:12,000 pass last time i remember doing one it was 20 1415 01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:16,000 or 30 pages long or something like that 1416 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:22,400 do we have a redline version and any change that it might be to look at 1417 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:25,360 we do not not tonight um staff is looking for 1418 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:29,600 council's permission to move forward with drawing that up and bringing it 1419 01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:32,480 back for approval well of course as i often say the devil's in the 1420 01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:36,400 details you know as far as going forward and let 1421 01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:41,760 them present that to us i don't have a problem with that but we do need that in 1422 01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:44,560 order to make an intelligent decision the other question i would have i 1423 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:48,480 couldn't clearly ascertain the difference in the 1424 01:42:46,159 --> 01:42:50,880 commercial rates i was able to see the residential 1425 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:55,520 is is that somewhere in this data and i 1426 01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:59,920 missed it uh the re the commercial rates are in 1427 01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:03,920 the agenda item it is immediately after the day and what the future costs will 1428 01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:07,840 be i believe that was actually the proposed 1429 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:10,480 cost i did not believe we had the uh original the current costs in there i 1430 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:14,239 think you're correct a little hard to make a comparison yes you're correct sir 1431 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:17,679 okay i don't mind sporting going forward but 1432 01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:22,080 there's a lot of questions that i have in my mind 1433 01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:25,760 and this is pretty important decision and it's one that we have a lot of 1434 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:30,480 responsibility to know what in the world we're doing 1435 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:34,159 and without those answers that's that's a uh 1436 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:37,840 that's a problem the other thing i would point out is 1437 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:41,760 what are the total amounts of revenue that the change 1438 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:46,239 of one percent to three percent to six percent and franchise fees 1439 01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:49,760 will bring to the city is it in there yes it's about forty 1440 01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:56,080 thousand per percent we currently are one percent forty thousand 1441 01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:59,199 so if we went from one to six that's 240 thousand dollars more 1442 01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:04,960 right again okay 1443 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:08,880 well you know this is 1444 01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:14,480 any way you look around this is a tax they collected for us but it's a tax 1445 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:18,080 and uh before i would be prepared i hope we're not making a decision on that 1446 01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:21,280 tonight this is just uh what could be done 1447 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:25,840 but before we raise taxes to that amount we need to think long and hard and get 1448 01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,840 some public testimony on it 1449 01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:32,159 thanks mr bagby then mr braden thank you mr 1450 01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:36,800 mayor i moved to direct the city manager and 1451 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:40,480 city attorney to bring back to council in ordinance form a solid waste 1452 01:44:39,199 --> 01:44:44,480 franchise agreement with waste management incorporated in the form of 1453 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:50,639 oh there it is in the form of an ordinance and set the franchise fee at 1454 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:54,880 six percent further i would like to see that 1455 01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:58,239 franchise fee dedicated to the parks and the storm water 1456 01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:02,639 i wouldn't be opposed to it being dedicated undergrounding also 1457 01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:07,440 but at least to the parks and the uh storm water and i wish bobby were 1458 01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:13,760 here tonight because to me that's that's it's a green a sustainability issue so 1459 01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:18,320 you're kind of taking it from the waist 1460 01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:24,320 and improving uh the environment empire tree so i'll go 1461 01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:24,320 with that i'll second it okay 1462 01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:30,960 and then i got a motion in a second mr uh baby stuff some more go ahead thank 1463 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:35,040 you thank you ms mayor i appreciate that the uh 1464 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:40,159 and like everybody else this is the a couple of things 1465 01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:43,840 lease complaints you know this the sheriff's office 1466 01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:48,320 the franchise fee i do understand that it's a tax i also understand that the 1467 01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:52,000 other franchise fees are six percent and it's hard for me to reconcile 1468 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:56,880 why one group would get a one percent 1469 01:45:54,320 --> 01:46:01,920 franchise fee and the other two groups would get a six percent franchise fee if 1470 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:06,000 one percent's best then it ought to be one percent for everybody but i don't i 1471 01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:11,040 think we ought to get something for them to use you know the privilege of having 1472 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:17,679 that franchise fee so that that's kind of why i've landed on the six percent 1473 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:23,280 the uh but they they do a good job and so i and it's a minimal increase i 1474 01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:30,180 didn't realize i forgot i'm eligible for discounted rate now okay 1475 01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:30,180 [Laughter] 1476 01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:36,880 mr braden thank you mayor um i was gonna make the 1477 01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:40,880 same motion up to the six percent then he kind of lost me after that 1478 01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:44,880 um i liked it 1479 01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:48,639 no i'm just saying i was in favor for it up until the six 1480 01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:52,639 percent and then kind of lost my interest after that 1481 01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:55,840 because i'd like to have more information of 1482 01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:59,360 where you know just all out of the blue say 1483 01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:02,480 that 40 000 a year would go to storm water or something 1484 01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:04,880 else or is there another place that it could be used or 1485 01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:09,840 um like get some maybe some input from 1486 01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:12,800 crystal or you know seems like we're getting grants and 1487 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:16,639 stuff for for stormwater i mean where did that i guess i'm just asking where 1488 01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:22,000 did that come from sure so we have if you look at some of our outstanding 1489 01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:26,719 cost potential costs we have a lot of storm water projects that need to be 1490 01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:29,920 addressed in this city just like we are having a dedicated stream 1491 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:34,560 for beach purchase just like we were having 1492 01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:38,239 a dedicated stream of income for the undergrounding of utilities 1493 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:43,360 we need to have something you know and just like we have gas tax for sidewalks 1494 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:46,639 and road striping and road paving and stuff 1495 01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:50,400 dedicated for that purpose the 1496 01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:53,360 we need to have something where we can say 1497 01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:56,560 this is at least how much storm water improvements or how much park 1498 01:47:54,639 --> 01:48:00,639 improvements we're going to do and we've got a lot of you know maintaining all 1499 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:05,119 these parks that we're adding that that's revenue we've got to come 1500 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:10,080 from somewhere to to cover those expenses and this is and i will when we 1501 01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:15,199 get into the half penny you'll see that 1502 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:19,520 uh right now the staff i think has 10 percent going to public works public 1503 01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:24,560 safety projects a million two a year 1504 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:30,000 for unnamed public works public safety projects i i kind of flipped that 1505 01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:33,280 and put the ten percent or uh i'm going to recommend 1506 01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:37,360 we flip that and put the 10 percent in storm water and then the 5 1507 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:40,719 in the public works public safety because when i 1508 01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:44,480 met with the staff today they couldn't tell me you know what those projects are 1509 01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:49,040 now i know they have a meeting tomorrow and michael's going to ask them but 1510 01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:55,199 we've got to figure out our our funding our funding streams with our projected 1511 01:48:52,400 --> 01:49:00,480 expenses and so that's that's where this is coming from we have some known 1512 01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:04,719 expected expenses in stormwater and in the parks and so that's that's 1513 01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:08,400 why i want to a funding source for that 1514 01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:15,119 i'd like to make it a substantive motion along the vein of 1515 01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:19,520 what mr braden said and i to agree to go forward with the uh 1516 01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:23,679 let the franchise be be brought forth i strongly disagree with the six percent 1517 01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:27,679 and the one thing i would point out in this argument is that waste management 1518 01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:31,920 doesn't pay that six percent florida power light doesn't pay our 1519 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:35,360 eight percent the citizens of destin pay those motion to uh go forward with all 1520 01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:40,320 of the motion with the exception of the six 1521 01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:45,199 percent tonight if you don't mind and i know where 1522 01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:50,400 you're going with that can we finish our just 1523 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:53,840 can can we let mr um uh brayden finish kevin speak and me speak 1524 01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:57,840 or you want to go ahead and make this so i'll do respect mayor when you make a 1525 01:49:55,520 --> 01:50:01,840 substitute i know that would be what was being discussed but now robert's rule is 1526 01:50:00,639 --> 01:50:06,159 a guide so i was asking for a little flexibility 1527 01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:09,440 but go ahead you you have the right and you can make a substitute right if it 1528 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:12,560 doesn't go anywhere then it's not worth discussing i'll second it 1529 01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:21,920 all right so substitute motion now is to um 1530 01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:25,840 do all that without did you want to put a percentage you just didn't want six 1531 01:50:23,599 --> 01:50:25,840 percent 1532 01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:32,080 okay why we should increase by another two 1533 01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:36,880 hundred thousand and i'd point out we've just increased the 1534 01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:40,719 the power franchise by the tune of eight hundred thousand dollars a year yeah 1535 01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:45,040 these are all taxes gulf power none of those people pay these i'll make my 1536 01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:49,360 argument after we go ahead we got a substitute motion and we have a second 1537 01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:52,960 so we're gonna further our farther further our discussion mr braden you 1538 01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:56,000 still have the floor thank you sir 1539 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:59,119 um i i agree with jim i'd just like to keep 1540 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:04,400 that maybe keep that money in storm water not 1541 01:51:01,599 --> 01:51:08,960 spread it too thin over projects um and do staff do we city manager do we 1542 01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:13,679 not have money coming from somewhere that's directed to storm water we can 1543 01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:13,679 use for stormwater 1544 01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:19,520 we do have some i don't know if crystal wants to touch on 1545 01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:22,960 i mean it's not large we do have some from the 1546 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:25,760 federal government that should be coming in in the future but we don't have a 1547 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:30,320 guarantee of that yeah okay so we don't have a dedicated 1548 01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:34,639 revenue stream for to address our stormwater issues 1549 01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:38,880 uh what we do have in the pipeline um are two grants 1550 01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:42,800 we have the american rescue plan act funding that we would like to apply 1551 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:45,520 towards stormwater and and those projects need to be brought before 1552 01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:50,159 council for you to review before we dedicate the 1553 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:55,920 american rescue plan act money to those projects we also have this um 1554 01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:00,080 okaloosa half penny which the the next item on our agenda will be looking at 1555 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:05,119 the okaloosa half penny infrastructure surtax that will be coming in over this 1556 01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:10,000 10-year period from 2019 to 2029 and i'm proposing that we use some of that 1557 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:13,360 in the next agenda item i'm proposing that we use some of that to address 1558 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:16,400 stormwater issues as well but we do not have 1559 01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:21,360 a particular dedicated funding source to address stormwater issues okay thank you 1560 01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:24,239 so much and if we did um if we 1561 01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:28,000 incorporated the six percent franchise fee 1562 01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:31,400 would we still not be the cheapest in oculus county 1563 01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:37,920 i believe we are the cheapest in occlusa county with that increase 1564 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:45,119 the rates are in the agenda packet yeah i just wanted to bring that 1565 01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:48,639 bring that out um okay thank you so much all right 1566 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:58,000 mr destin were you up to make that substitute motion or do you want to add 1567 01:52:53,920 --> 01:53:02,159 something here and then i go to mr smith all right thank you sir 1568 01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:07,199 all right mr smith thank you um i'm with mr destin on this 1569 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:12,000 one and i will say i was not present in march which 1570 01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:14,960 as um jimmy will say i was absent i also don't think 1571 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:19,199 as much as i love waste management when y'all were here that day i have no 1572 01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:23,599 complaints either but i don't think it's uh fair in any competitive market to not 1573 01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:27,280 allow another company to bid to make sure we're getting the best bang for our 1574 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:31,440 buck for the services that they provide which are amazing services 1575 01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:35,199 but now we have a 10 increase and it's easy to say inflation it's easy to say 1576 01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:38,239 covet and it's easy to say staffing shortages and all that but 1577 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:42,719 you know there's nothing to go against uh either 1578 01:53:40,639 --> 01:53:45,440 at this point so it's it's um just wanted to put that out there since i 1579 01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:48,800 wasn't here a while ago but i'm 1580 01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:53,719 i don't want to put that six percent franchise fee on anything right now 1581 01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,719 thank you 1582 01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:02,560 in defense of the original motion 1583 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:07,520 even though we're talking about substitute motion is that franchise fees 1584 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:10,880 of minimal tax on our citizens comparison with the other franchise fees 1585 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:13,760 which we're going to use underground highway 98 1586 01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:19,760 earmarking it as a a 1587 01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:24,400 stream of sourcing that we can always count on for storm water run up i think 1588 01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:27,679 is a very smart idea but 1589 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:31,440 doing that at the six percent franchise fee yes it's it's a tax it's a liminal 1590 01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:35,599 tax but it's got huge returns for our citizens quality of 1591 01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:40,320 life mr dest and i both made a living with 1592 01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:45,280 the natural resources of this land and as we well know we've got issues in 1593 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:50,480 destin harbor that still have to be rectified we've got storm water issues 1594 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:55,440 on the west side of destin and i think adding that six percent 1595 01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:59,280 would provide a stream outside of our normal trying to get with the federal 1596 01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:04,080 government or with uh 1597 01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:08,480 triumph money or or relying on the county it would allow us to have a 1598 01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:12,239 little more skin in the game deciding on some of these projects so 1599 01:55:10,239 --> 01:55:16,639 i'd be in favor of that i do agree with mr destin and mr smith 1600 01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:20,080 as far as you need to have all the documentation in front of you especially 1601 01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:23,280 if you're going to raise a tax even if it's only ten dollars a quarter 1602 01:55:22,159 --> 01:55:28,159 but uh um so you know 1603 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:32,320 there's good parts to the original motion and there's a good 1604 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:37,040 part to mr destin i just think that in the end i hope that the council will see 1605 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:42,320 that sometimes especially when we do have some of the lowest taxes in in the 1606 01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:46,880 state not just here in oakland county uh thankfully because of our 1607 01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:50,639 tourism industry that we do provide ourselves and our citizens steady 1608 01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:55,280 streams of income this city has repeatedly not done things that helps it 1609 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:59,760 make money and it's not money just that we throw 1610 01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:04,239 away it's money that we need to provide essential services to our community and 1611 01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:07,679 i think it's a mindset that needs to change at some point where we start 1612 01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:12,840 thinking about doing things that are going to generate revenue sources for 1613 01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:18,560 the betterment of the community in you know i sound like a 1614 01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:22,000 someone that's a little more moderate than my conservative values but i 1615 01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:26,159 understand i also i also appreciate 1616 01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:30,719 getting bang for my buck and i don't mind spending money or or paying a fee 1617 01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:36,400 or a thing that's going to benefit not just me but everybody around me so 1618 01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:40,000 that's why i'd be real in favor of what mr bagby's doing by creating the 1619 01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:44,960 constant the source of revenue 1620 01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:49,520 um and i think that this particular franchise fee is six percent would 1621 01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:52,880 actually cost individual people uh i think it's more than uh fair 1622 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:57,920 so next up is uh 1623 01:56:55,040 --> 01:57:02,159 mr bagby thank you mr mayor i speak on the uh motion on the floor but before i 1624 01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:06,480 do that uh just for mr schmidt's benefit uh it 1625 01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:10,719 wasn't because we didn't want competition because i think a vast 1626 01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:14,880 majority or if not all of us wanted to compete the contract that wasn't the 1627 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:18,480 issue the issue was the constraints 1628 01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:21,679 of finding another bidder 1629 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:27,360 who could provide the trucks who could provide the trash cans and provide all 1630 01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:31,679 the other things that went with that bid in the time that this bid would be up 1631 01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:36,320 and because there they were telling us last time you 1632 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:40,080 know trucks are a year out or whatever trash you know to get that many trash 1633 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:44,480 cans so that was the reason that we voted the way we did you're saying the 1634 01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:49,119 the company that was going to propose told you about trucks to deter you from 1635 01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:52,080 another company to put a bid out i'm just saying there was a gentleman here a 1636 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:56,000 few months ago that that was already put a bit out i don't know him but 1637 01:57:54,400 --> 01:58:00,480 so it wasn't hard to find him because he was sitting here yeah you can call him 1638 01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:03,280 up and ask him but that's what they don't always order 1639 01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:07,040 yeah call him up 1640 01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:09,520 uh on the six percent just so we everybody understands what we're talking 1641 01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:14,080 about uh what we're talking about for a 1642 01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:19,040 regular user is a dollar 36 cents a month 1643 01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:23,520 a dollar 36 cents and if you're a senior okay 1644 01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:28,480 no it's it's a dollar i think uh six cents a month let's see senior citizens 1645 01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:31,920 a dollar six cents a month that's what we're talking about 1646 01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:36,400 okay for two hundred and forty thousand dollars to be dedicated and and 1647 01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:39,199 you know nobody's more fiscally conservative than this in this town than 1648 01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:43,760 i am but we we have to get a dedicated stream 1649 01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:49,520 if you want the dedicated stream to be 40 000 you know that then you need to 1650 01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:53,679 vote for this motion if you want to be a little more than that and i understand 1651 01:58:51,679 --> 01:58:56,400 it's a tax i do understand that and i don't like taxes 1652 01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:01,360 but uh there's some things 1653 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:04,880 we've been kicking cans down the road in this town for a long time and we just 1654 01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:08,560 need to stop kicking the cans and i'm more than willing to pay not only my 1655 01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:14,320 dollar 36 but your dollar 36 a month okay so i'll 1656 01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:16,800 write you a check for 14 or whatever it is 1657 01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:19,520 the uh you know 1658 01:59:17,599 --> 01:59:22,880 that's enough sure now i got everybody's fired up here 1659 01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:26,719 so we're gonna go through this round right 1660 01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:31,679 here and then take a vote all right so that gives everybody a second shot at 1661 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:34,400 the deal so first up mr dustin and uh 1662 01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:38,960 you know i went to goodwill auburn university which i'm not sure that they 1663 01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:41,599 uh their math department is is quite what it 1664 01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:47,280 some other universities but we have about 5 000 households in destin at a 1665 01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:51,040 dollar 36 that doesn't come out to 200 000 1666 01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:54,480 so somewhere somehow somebody's paying more 1667 01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:59,920 but i want to just go through the increases in revenue that this city has 1668 01:59:56,480 --> 02:00:05,119 enjoyed over the last two years the property appraiser is raising our 1669 02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:10,560 property taxes that are 15 to 20 a year i came up to around 800 000 last year 1670 02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:14,719 the new franchise fee that we up on power 1671 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:18,000 company raises about eight hundred thousand dollars or somewhere there 1672 02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:21,599 they're about the half cent utility 1673 02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:24,960 tax that the county appealing us are part of 1674 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:28,639 crystal what does that come out to over 10 years 1675 02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:34,080 uh which one i couldn't hear you the half cent tax that the 1676 02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:37,760 county is reimbursing us our part we're bringing in approximately 1.6 1677 02:00:36,239 --> 02:00:42,719 million dollars a year for 10 years okay so that's 1678 02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:46,880 1.6 that's correct 1.6 million a year 16 1679 02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:50,560 million thereabouts um 1680 02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:54,800 the revenue sharing that the tdc is giving us i think comes out to over a 1681 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:59,440 million a year at what point 1682 02:00:56,239 --> 02:01:03,440 do we not have enough money and uh 1683 02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:06,000 you know we have people here believe it or not they're on fixed incomes and as 1684 02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:10,880 we they pay that half cent every time they 1685 02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:15,440 go to the store they pay their property taxes at some 1686 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:19,599 point you know folks we just taxes are going to be too high what 1687 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:23,280 point do we say we've got enough that's a pile of money 1688 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:26,480 we can address most of our needs with that 1689 02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:32,080 and it's just one more one more tax that we have acquired and 1690 02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:35,040 as as my substitute does not stop us from considering that over the next few 1691 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:38,800 months we certainly can 1692 02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:41,679 there's supposed to be a nexus between what you charge for these franchise fees 1693 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:44,719 and and 1694 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:47,280 what's being given i'd like to hear that explained 1695 02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:51,360 so that's why i don't want to just go ahead and 1696 02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:57,679 say six percent tonight so that's all i need to say on that subject 1697 02:01:54,960 --> 02:02:02,239 thank you mr dess and miss a bear thank you mayor um i was just 1698 02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:06,000 had gone through the meeting with staff and i really didn't feel like a dollar 1699 02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:09,599 more a month for the superior service the two times they pick up a week and 1700 02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:14,239 then the trash they pick up from the side of the house if you've got 1701 02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:18,000 just debris or furniture or whatever i just feel like that the citizens would 1702 02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:21,520 not have a problem with another dollar a month basically i felt like it wasn't 1703 02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:25,280 asking a lot it's one of the lowest things but the most superior service 1704 02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:29,040 that we do have so my thoughts were six percent was still a 1705 02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:34,560 good deal hey ma'am um mr king then mr braden and 1706 02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:40,239 would bring this uh motion uh substitute motion uh to vote go ahead yeah thank 1707 02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:43,599 you mr mayor and yeah i seconded this motion just mainly for discussion to 1708 02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:47,840 hear hear the perspective of everybody else 1709 02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:47,840 and i think 1710 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:53,920 i if we've got we have a few weeks or 1711 02:02:51,679 --> 02:02:58,159 however long to think about it i don't i don't see any issue with either either 1712 02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:03,119 motion and like the mayor said i think the bang for your buck if we can you 1713 02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:06,960 know this franchise fee if it's i'd like to see the break i mean we've 1714 02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:11,440 got the break down here but if what mr dustin is saying as far as the 200 000 1715 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:16,719 how do we how do we break that down but i'm i'm good with the six percent um if 1716 02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:21,199 we you know we can allot that to where we see fit that's all i got thanks thank 1717 02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:24,320 you mr braden and then we'll go ahead and take this to vote go ahead sir thank 1718 02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:28,560 you mayor um i'm uh mr dustin got me thinking i mean 1719 02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:32,480 i didn't go to auburn but um he got me thinking about the dollar a dollar a 1720 02:03:30,159 --> 02:03:36,719 month and we're had to get to 200 000 dollars and it 1721 02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:40,159 seemed like it doesn't get there but i do have this 1722 02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:45,280 and it's got a calculator in it there's 14 000 people at 14 a piece that's 196 1723 02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:49,119 thousand dollars not crazy it gets there in a hurry but 1724 02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:53,239 um that's not households though 1725 02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:59,509 [Music] 1726 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:14,560 another thing i i'm like jim i don't like taxes either but 1727 02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:20,560 we're not talking about a tax that goes in a general fund and we can use it 1728 02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:24,500 for some useless study down the road or waste it on some park or something 1729 02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:29,440 down on the harbor [Laughter] 1730 02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:33,760 i'm but this is going for storm water it's going to a particular place 1731 02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:39,480 it benefits everybody so um that's that's why i would be in 1732 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:39,480 favor for it 1733 02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:48,960 no i was just going to see if ronnie wanted to add anything to the 1734 02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,960 conversation 1735 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:56,400 it's hard to sit there and have people talking bad about you all this time not 1736 02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,400 saying nothing 1737 02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:04,800 last time he was here six weeks ago he told us he was retiring on one april and 1738 02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:07,840 i want to know what his standing is to speak to us 1739 02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:16,239 waste management 108 hill avenue fort walton beach um mr 1740 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:20,719 bagby my plan was to retire march 31st but i think a lot of you know our 1741 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:26,480 vice president a lady named dominica farmer and she said it would be june 30 1742 02:05:24,159 --> 02:05:29,840 when i retired and she seemed to have a lot of pull 1743 02:05:30,079 --> 02:05:34,560 what yeah 1744 02:05:32,480 --> 02:05:38,880 and you say that we're sitting back here um jake out of first with me um of 1745 02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:42,400 course doug rainer and you're saying what you're talking bad about you're not 1746 02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:45,360 talking about about us you know you're sitting here as a 1747 02:05:44,079 --> 02:05:50,159 governmental body trying to figure out what you're doing fantastic 1748 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:54,159 we provided three options as we were directed a one in three and a 1749 02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:57,440 six percent but i want to bring attention to one thing that's in your 1750 02:05:55,599 --> 02:06:03,199 current contract the current contract says one percent 1751 02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:06,400 but it also has language that each october 1752 02:06:04,800 --> 02:06:09,360 or maybe september that this council 1753 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:12,800 could increase that or decrease it 1754 02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:16,960 so i bring that to your attention because i've heard six percent three 1755 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:20,560 percent one percent um and it is basically a pass through 1756 02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:25,360 um for us but um i just wanted to make that point 1757 02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:30,400 because you already have the latitude in your ordinance i call it a contract 1758 02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:34,719 that was initiated five years ago that if any time during the term if you 1759 02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:38,000 do for five more years you could adjust it up or down 1760 02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:43,040 so i just wanted to point that out and and we do appreciate the good 1761 02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:47,679 comments we've heard um councilman i understand your comments um you weren't 1762 02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:51,679 weren't here at that meeting and i wish you hadn't been uh because it is taking 1763 02:06:49,840 --> 02:06:54,480 about 15 months for us to get a new vehicle 1764 02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:58,800 and we have 18 assigned to destin at this time and i 1765 02:06:56,960 --> 02:07:02,079 think that's what mr bagley was trying to allude to if you're a new company 1766 02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:06,960 coming in starting up even if you're established coming if we 1767 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:10,400 came into this area to be able to get 18 trucks right now unless we shut 1768 02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:15,199 something down somewhere else it would be very hard for us but 1769 02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:18,639 thank you just keep talking to good talk we like it 1770 02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:22,480 thank you thanks sir we'll see you next month 1771 02:07:20,660 --> 02:07:25,280 [Laughter] month after that 1772 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:32,239 all right ray would you like to read the substitute motion so everybody is clear 1773 02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:36,320 direct the city manager and city attorney to bring back to council a 1774 02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:39,599 solid waste franchise agreement with waste management inked in the form of an 1775 02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:42,560 ordinance period 1776 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:45,280 all right let's take a vote 1777 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:54,560 justin said he wanted to keep the dedication he just wanted to 1778 02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:57,440 take the six percent out i thought that's what you said the storm 1779 02:07:56,159 --> 02:08:02,400 water yeah i didn't he so it's still dedicated 1780 02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:05,599 dedicated to the parks and storm water yep 1781 02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:10,000 all right okay all right so that's that let's take 1782 02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:13,679 a vote guys ladies 1783 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:13,679 gentlemen 1784 02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,880 use that term loosely 1785 02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:20,320 i'm not voting 1786 02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:37,840 eyes have it so bad 1787 02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:46,239 we we still get to decide that later on down the road 1788 02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:54,800 yep because they're bringing it back to us correct yeah right 1789 02:08:53,199 --> 02:09:00,719 all right ready sir yes sir item 4b 1790 02:08:57,599 --> 02:09:06,480 um is the okla okalusa half penny infrastructure surtax and just a little 1791 02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:09,679 history approximately two to three years ago 1792 02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:15,040 council had divided up our proceeds from that tax 1793 02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:20,800 into four categories and what we're asking tonight is to look 1794 02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:25,119 at those four categories and reallocate the funds amongst those categories and 1795 02:09:22,719 --> 02:09:29,599 add some stormwater to it perhaps because we have additional funding 1796 02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:33,599 sources now that two years ago we did not have so i'll turn it over to mrs 1797 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:38,239 strickland good evening mayor and council members 1798 02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:44,639 uh so as you might recall back in january of 2020 uh council decided to 1799 02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:49,520 allocate the okaloosa half penny infrastructure surtax 1800 02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:55,040 which we were then estimating would be about 1.2 million dollars a year over 10 1801 02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:59,840 years so about approximately 12 million dollars we chose to allocate it at that 1802 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:03,760 time 75 percent towards beach acquisitions 1803 02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:07,440 10 percent to undergrounding uh 10 1804 02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:12,639 to public works and public safety committee identified projects and 5 1805 02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:17,280 percent was left to be discretionary and this is over the total life of the 10 1806 02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:19,920 years not per year um just the total life of the 10-year 1807 02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:26,000 period so what i'm proposing tonight 1808 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:30,159 is a reallocation the largest one is instead of sending 75 spending 75 1809 02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:35,040 percent of the the funds on beach acquisition 1810 02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:39,440 i'm recommending that we lower that amount because we now have an a new 1811 02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:44,079 interlocal agreement with the tourist development council 1812 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:49,040 that i feel is a better fit for beach acquisition 1813 02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:51,840 and we are trying to fund the undergrounding of the utilities in 1814 02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:56,239 particular in our 1815 02:10:53,360 --> 02:11:00,079 primary areas along highway 98 which is the main ingress and egress for the city 1816 02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:05,679 and is also along highway 98 we have most of our 1817 02:11:02,880 --> 02:11:10,159 crucial businesses uh grocery stores restaurants hotels and so these areas i 1818 02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:14,079 find it would benefit the city greatly if we 1819 02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:16,719 could get those areas of the city undergrounded 1820 02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:26,079 so what i'm proposing here well there's another little piece here 1821 02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:30,079 so instead of the 1.2 million dollars a year coming in it's actually been closer 1822 02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:34,560 to 1.6 so we have more funds coming in i'm 1823 02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:39,599 estimating 16 million dollars over this 10-year period 1824 02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:43,840 so my primary proposal is that we reduce the amount towards beach acquisition 1825 02:11:41,679 --> 02:11:48,079 from 75 percent down to 25 so we're still keeping 4 1826 02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:51,920 million dollars that helps with the beach acquisitions 1827 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:55,599 as you recall i dedicated some of it last year to purchase two parcels in 1828 02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:58,800 crystal beach this would also help us 1829 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:07,040 come through the finish line on some other beach parcels that we'd like to 1830 02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:11,760 purchase this fiscal year and then to increase the amount dedicated to 1831 02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:17,119 undergrounding from 1.2 million at 10 up to 60 percent which would equate to 1832 02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:21,840 9.6 million that would go a great ways towards helping us underground 1833 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:25,679 the highway 98 corridor in addition 1834 02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:29,040 i'm leaving untouched the amount that was dedicated to public works and safety 1835 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:34,320 committee that 1.6 million dollars and i'll be 1836 02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:39,199 meeting with the public works and safety committee 1837 02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:43,599 this month to show them how much we've accumulated to date so that they can 1838 02:12:41,760 --> 02:12:47,520 consider projects that they'd like to recommend that would 1839 02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:51,199 go into next year's budget or maybe they want to hold out a little 1840 02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:55,040 more and watch it increase and propose projects in the 1841 02:12:53,199 --> 02:13:00,560 following year the last piece that i'm recommending is 1842 02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:03,520 we had five percent set to a 1843 02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:08,800 council approved projects so basically it was a discretionary fund um back in 1844 02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:11,920 early 2020 we estimated that five percent would be about six hundred and 1845 02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:16,000 forty thousand dollars um but now we're estimating that that 1846 02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:21,760 would be eight hundred thousand dollars and over this um 1847 02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:27,119 this this past year especially this past fall uh with all of the rain events that 1848 02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:32,560 we had a lot of storm water issues uh became front face readily apparent so 1849 02:13:32,719 --> 02:13:39,119 michael and our storm water team have been looking at how to address these 1850 02:13:37,119 --> 02:13:43,360 items and so eight hundred thousand dollars if we could dedicate it towards 1851 02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:47,199 addressing some of these issues would go a great way 1852 02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:50,719 so that's what i have here proposed for you 1853 02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:54,719 i'll move to allocate portions of the oklahoma half 1854 02:13:52,239 --> 02:14:01,199 penny infrastructure search tax revenues as follows i need to read each one 60 1855 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:04,719 towards underground utilities 25 towards beach acquisition 1856 02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:10,239 10 towards public works and safety committee initiated projects and 5 1857 02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:14,239 towards stormwater projects second i have a motion a second mr bagby 1858 02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:19,679 and i'll make a substitute motion mr mayor uh to flip 1859 02:14:16,960 --> 02:14:23,760 ten percent towards stormwater projects and five percent toward the public works 1860 02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:28,320 public safety committee initiated projects and the reason is real simple 1861 02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:32,800 when i tried to drill down on staff on what those projects were and what they 1862 02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:38,800 were considering what would be available the the answer was zero and the reason 1863 02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:42,480 they told me that the this was even in here in the first places and you'll 1864 02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:46,800 probably remember this because it took them a couple of minutes to remember 1865 02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:50,719 when this was initiated we had to have a committee or we had to 1866 02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:57,360 have a body that oversaw the expenditure of 1867 02:14:53,920 --> 02:15:00,000 this money and initially the council said 1868 02:14:58,239 --> 02:15:04,960 we'll give it to the public works public safety which is why they were identified 1869 02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:10,079 out of all our committees to be to have the 10 percent 1870 02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:14,320 but then subsequently the council brought became the committee that 1871 02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:16,800 decided how this half penny was going to be spent 1872 02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:19,599 and uh 1873 02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:23,920 so i'm not i'm a big believer in committees but i'm not a big believer in 1874 02:15:22,400 --> 02:15:27,440 just allocating 1875 02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:32,560 you know 1.6 million dollars to a committee that already gets gas tax 1876 02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:36,960 money for sidewalks roads and things i mean they already have dedicated streams 1877 02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:41,119 they already have funding in the budget for pretty much everything they want to 1878 02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:45,520 see so to give them a 1.6 million 1879 02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:49,760 dollar bucket for whatever idea they might come up with 1880 02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:52,239 just seems a little 1881 02:15:53,360 --> 02:16:00,079 out of the ordinary and i would think it would be better if 1882 02:15:57,119 --> 02:16:03,119 we spent that 1.6 million on storm water and 1883 02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:06,320 either leave the five percent in there for the public works public safety 1884 02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:11,199 committee or the public works safety committee and the council since we're 1885 02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:16,159 now the committee that's overseeing this so that's it's the same as the base 1886 02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:23,599 motion except it flips those last two bullets i'll second that okay so we have 1887 02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:23,599 substitute motion in a second mr destin 1888 02:16:24,239 --> 02:16:30,159 um our reallocation brings some questions to mind and crystal you can 1889 02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:35,679 help me the undergrounding of the 98th quarter 1890 02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:41,519 we have a cost estimate on that yes uh so to get from the marlar bridge 1891 02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:45,760 all the way to the walton county line we've broken it out into three major 1892 02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:50,080 phases and each phase is estimated at 1893 02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:54,319 approximately 13 million dollars so we're at 36 is that what you're 1894 02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:58,800 telling me that's correct and we currently have 1895 02:16:56,559 --> 02:17:02,559 the franchise free increase which was approximately 1 800 1896 02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:06,160 correct which would do a bond issue of 1897 02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:11,200 approximately uh well with the rates going the way 1898 02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:16,880 they are now i'm i'm gonna reduce my my estimate down um i think the we could 1899 02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:20,880 bond approximately um 1900 02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:25,120 18 million dollars on the 2 1901 02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:27,599 franchise electric franchise fee which is half 1902 02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:34,719 and so we have to come up with another 800 000 in order to finish 1903 02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:39,679 that quarter that's correct now by quarter do we mean just 98 or how far 1904 02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:46,240 inland does that go uh that is just highway 98. okay 1905 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:51,120 so 800 000 a year is going to eat up the majority of that half cent 1906 02:17:48,639 --> 02:17:56,399 yes and i'm also going to be i have the the underground people coming to talk to 1907 02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:59,280 the the two cra district committees and then i'd like them to talk to you 1908 02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:03,519 also about potentially committing 1909 02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:08,399 in our new master plans for the two cras committing some of the cra excess funds 1910 02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:12,000 that'll be coming out in future years i'm working on those finishing up those 1911 02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:16,960 long-term projections and so we're dedicating 1912 02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:20,240 what part of our half cent towards 1913 02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:23,840 actual infrastructure needs like resurfacing all the roads in destin that 1914 02:18:22,319 --> 02:18:26,080 we're gonna have to be done before very long 1915 02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:34,639 currently we've been using gas tax one and two money to 1916 02:18:33,439 --> 02:18:39,679 sorry we've been using gas tax one and two 1917 02:18:37,040 --> 02:18:43,599 money for milling and resurfacing the the roads and also maintaining the 1918 02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:46,479 sidewalks and that comes in uh that's 1919 02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:49,679 approximately six hundred thousand dollars a year that we receive from 1920 02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:55,280 those two gas taxes and then i've been supplementing with uh general fund money 1921 02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:59,679 um what would we do to increase right yeah 1922 02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:04,719 so the general fund money that i've been supplementing with is approximately uh 1923 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:08,880 300 000 a year do we have an approximation on what it 1924 02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:13,439 will cost to do all this resurfacing because if you go and drive the roads 1925 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:18,000 after a rainstorm you'll see that they are on the verge of being not good 1926 02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:22,399 at all yeah um actually my michael does have 1927 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:26,000 estimates he's been working hard on this that's such an easy question we'll let 1928 02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:28,960 mike lane sweat huh mike now this is going to take a few minutes 1929 02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:31,280 this is uh kind of out of the blue you're going to have to bear with me on 1930 02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:36,399 this one but i want to say that number was 1931 02:19:33,359 --> 02:19:40,800 somewhere around 15 million to do if we were to to snap our fingers 1932 02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:45,599 and pay for every mile of our 62 and a half miles of 1933 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:49,920 streets to be resurfaced milled and resurfaced 1934 02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:53,600 and those that require striping to be striped today i think it was somewhere 1935 02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:56,960 right around 15 million and i think i thought that's the number i probably 1936 02:19:55,040 --> 02:20:02,399 remember so we're coming up a little short quite a bit here and and we're 1937 02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:06,399 we're dedicating our accent 1938 02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:11,920 undergrounding rather than fixing the streets unless we can come up with 1939 02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:15,920 another revenue stream as mr bagley says so i'm you know 1940 02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:18,640 we can change this at the next meeting if we want to 1941 02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:23,439 i take it but i'm not satisfied with plowing all 1942 02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:29,439 of our half cent gas tax which rightfully should go to fixing 1943 02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:29,439 the streets and the other infrastructure 1944 02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:35,439 into yes it's a really difficult position 1945 02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:40,160 we're in as a city of destin because we only have 1946 02:20:37,359 --> 02:20:45,439 13 000 residential units well close to 14 000 residential units 1947 02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:49,359 and the gas taxes are allocated based on population uh and yet we're maintaining 1948 02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:53,680 roads for a hundred thousand people on any given 1949 02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:58,080 day with all of our tourists so yes we are uh 1950 02:20:56,160 --> 02:21:01,439 it makes for a difficult yeah that uphill climb has 1951 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:03,680 been mars to live with for a very long time 1952 02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:10,080 okay thanks mr schmidt 1953 02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:14,240 thank you um can 1954 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:17,920 and i know um kyle might have known this so i'm sorry to tell you a 1955 02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:20,560 curveball but mr batman mentioned something about 1956 02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:26,080 the committee who's in charge of those funds but 1957 02:21:24,399 --> 02:21:28,960 they're no longer a committee and we're that committee 1958 02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:31,920 do you i'm confused by that because i thought 1959 02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:36,640 the public safety committee was still the 1960 02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:39,920 committee that initiates the percentage of that penny 1961 02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:43,760 then the projects come to us for the final approval but they're still not 1962 02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:47,600 michael's committee's still in charge i thought 1963 02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:50,720 no that's not what i said just to be clear 1964 02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:54,560 the muslim works public safety committee still exists it's existed for years i 1965 02:21:52,960 --> 02:22:00,399 served on it it was set it was given an additional 1966 02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:05,359 mission as the committee to oversee correct the expenditure of the 1967 02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:10,479 half cent and for that reason previous council 1968 02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:13,760 gave them ten percent as their share right or whatever 1969 02:22:12,240 --> 02:22:17,359 they are no longer the committee that oversees the half 1970 02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:23,200 cent why do you say that because the council pulled that back to the council 1971 02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:25,920 i'll let lance explain when did we do that 1972 02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:34,560 i mean last time i said on that committee was right before i was on the 1973 02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:40,479 council and we were still in charge of that bucket so i'm not sure 1974 02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:44,240 i just want to get clarification on how that works because even back then there 1975 02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:48,080 was still confusion on how that worked and um a lot of money there so i mean 1976 02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:54,000 i'm fine taking it flip-flopping the percentages i'm fine with that i'm just 1977 02:22:50,399 --> 02:22:56,479 more confused on what you're saying now i think 1978 02:22:55,040 --> 02:23:00,080 there's still some confusion out there and i would like to ask council to give 1979 02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:04,399 us the opportunity to bring back some additional information because if if i 1980 02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:09,760 do remember correctly i think it was recommended by the county that we have a 1981 02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:13,359 different committee other than the council 1982 02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:17,600 review how we expend the money and it would be a recommendation coming back to 1983 02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:21,760 council but another step in the process to keep people honest but i 1984 02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:25,680 i think it would be in a resolution form if i remember right um so if you all 1985 02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:30,080 would let me bring that back i'd be happy to do that 1986 02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:33,840 sounds like a good plan mr brayden thanks um well wrong 1987 02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:39,520 while we're on i don't know if we still on the topic of stormwater but i was 1988 02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:42,880 just wondering if holiday isle is that in the stormwater plan or is 1989 02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:46,000 there any money allocated to stormwater for holiday aisle 1990 02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:50,399 you know a five five-year plan ten-year plan um in the most recent version of 1991 02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:55,439 the stormwater master plan there are no projects on holiday aisle identified 1992 02:23:54,160 --> 02:24:00,640 um we have been working with the engineering department 1993 02:23:57,280 --> 02:24:05,760 to remedy an issue kind of a long long standing chronic issue 1994 02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:10,960 at the intersection of uh well it's gulf shore and gulf shore where elablanca 1995 02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:16,800 condominiums are the town homes there we're going to do a project there and 1996 02:24:13,359 --> 02:24:21,120 then also one on the curve as you pass la paz and local market as you come 1997 02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:24,240 around toward sandpiper cove i thought we had 1998 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:28,399 pumps out there pumping water a couple years ago 1999 02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:32,720 on down past a double curve towards the end 2000 02:24:30,080 --> 02:24:38,640 you're correct sir we had some pumps set up at the end of gulf breeze court 2001 02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:43,439 there is no storm sewer infrastructure really to speak of right there 2002 02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:47,280 it's just a relatively flat area with the exception of that one bowl and 2003 02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:48,960 that's why the the water was collecting there 2004 02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:53,120 but and steve correct me if i'm wrong but in 2005 02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:58,560 the most recent storm water management stormwater master plan there are no 2006 02:24:54,720 --> 02:25:02,960 projects identified on holiday aisle that would be correct but those pilot 2007 02:25:00,319 --> 02:25:07,520 programs from what i understand are what will help shape 2008 02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:10,880 future projects in that area and across the city 2009 02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:14,560 so those two projects that that michael um 2010 02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:18,560 mentioned just now in holiday hell it's just crazy that something flooded 2011 02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:23,120 out there and there's there's no mention of it if i if i can make one correction 2012 02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:27,760 i'm going to correct myself in the stormwater master plan there is a 2013 02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:31,439 city-wide swale installation initiative and those two projects i mentioned 2014 02:25:29,439 --> 02:25:36,880 earlier in support of that portion of the plan 2015 02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:40,319 okay thank you thank you mayor all righty 2016 02:25:38,560 --> 02:25:44,000 well we got um a motion in a second 2017 02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:52,000 right right we're voting on the substitute motion ray would you like to 2018 02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:55,439 read that just for clarity for the public record go ahead 2019 02:25:53,920 --> 02:26:00,479 motion to allocate portions of the okaloosa half penny infrastructure 2020 02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:05,359 surtax revenues as follows 60 percent towards underground utilities 25 percent 2021 02:26:03,280 --> 02:26:10,000 over its visa acquisition present towards stormwater projects and 2022 02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:14,000 five percent of its public works and safety committee initiated projects 2023 02:26:12,160 --> 02:26:17,000 thank you sir all right let's take a vote 2024 02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:28,880 uh motion passes unanimous so moved lance 2025 02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:32,000 thank you sir uh last up we've got the shores of crystal beach expansion 2026 02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:36,640 project and the 2027 02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:39,840 potential 30 plan for that area and i got mr warren here to give the update 2028 02:26:38,479 --> 02:26:43,600 for us good evening mayor and council 2029 02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:49,280 uh as lance described we do have the shore crystal beach expansion project uh 2030 02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:54,880 for your review tonight uh just a brief little bit of history uh back in 2020 2031 02:26:51,840 --> 02:27:00,080 late 2020 oculusa county and uh city of destin uh did enter into an interlocal 2032 02:26:57,520 --> 02:27:06,080 agreement to purchase three parcels uh adjacent to the shore crystal beach 2033 02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:11,040 at this time we have purchased two of those parcels and those two city-owned 2034 02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:14,479 parcels the structures have been removed and are being used by the public 2035 02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:23,439 since then for that last um that third parcel at 29.68 2036 02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:27,600 uh the negotiations for that parcel has stalled now what had happened was there 2037 02:27:25,439 --> 02:27:32,880 was a purchase agreement on that parcel and at the very low at the last uh 2038 02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:37,359 moment uh the 11th hour the uh the owner did back out of that agreement so at 2039 02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:41,920 this time i'd like to see attorney uh to uh brief us on where we're at on that 2040 02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:45,040 process thank you 2041 02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:48,800 yeah uh the process that we've agreed to with the 2042 02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:54,800 county is to essentially file a imminent domain uh case against 2043 02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:59,359 the property uh there's uh as you know we're basically a 50 50 partnership with 2044 02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:03,920 the county on this project this is the middle parcel between the two parcels 2045 02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:07,200 that have closed so it's pretty important parcel 2046 02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:12,240 the before we can file the the action for 2047 02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:16,080 eminent domain there's some steps that have to be taken i think as i understand 2048 02:28:14,479 --> 02:28:19,680 it uh the the uh 2049 02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:22,880 the council has already passed a motion of necessity so we don't have to revisit 2050 02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:27,120 that this evening that steps been taken but 2051 02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:30,880 the county is going to 2052 02:28:29,120 --> 02:28:33,359 for instance has to get an updated appraisal 2053 02:28:32,479 --> 02:28:37,600 and so they're in the process of doing that 2054 02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:42,560 and the really the other major step that we 2055 02:28:40,319 --> 02:28:45,120 have to take is draft and file the complaint 2056 02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:51,359 so once once those steps are completed 2057 02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:57,040 kyle and or i or our firm will draft the the complaint permanent domain bring it 2058 02:28:54,720 --> 02:29:00,399 to the to the council 2059 02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:04,000 for approval to file that complaint and then 2060 02:29:01,359 --> 02:29:06,720 we'll serve it and and we'll be on that track 2061 02:29:07,040 --> 02:29:12,960 and you know we obviously expect to be successful but we 2062 02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:16,240 obviously can't hesitate to 2063 02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:22,720 discuss specific details of that 2064 02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:25,200 in the public forum obviously sabre 2065 02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:33,280 i was going to make the motion to move i move the city manager be authorized to 2066 02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:36,399 execute the city's 41 percent of the portion of the county's design service 2067 02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:40,800 contract c19 2748 pw 2068 02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:49,040 got a motion got a second and um up first is 2069 02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:55,600 kevin thank you 2070 02:29:52,880 --> 02:29:58,160 what happens if we're not successful 2071 02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:05,240 i don't know i mean the process we file for eminent domain 2072 02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:12,240 what ultimately happens we ended up in a trial what generally the the issues are 2073 02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:16,720 or is it a public purpose well of course it is then the issue is how much and it 2074 02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:19,520 ends up being you know the court has to make a decision and weigh the evidence 2075 02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:23,840 and determine you know which appraiser it's going to 2076 02:30:21,920 --> 02:30:28,560 go with basically i mean that's the boiling down and then so if they if they 2077 02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:32,960 favor of us then they decide which appraisal then we ultimately would still 2078 02:30:30,479 --> 02:30:37,040 buy it just at this new appraisal that the judge tells us that we have to use 2079 02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:41,359 right and is there a possibility that that we would not be in favor that we 2080 02:30:39,359 --> 02:30:44,560 would not win well is that possible there's always 2081 02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:48,640 a possibility of not prevailing but on public purpose i don't see much of a 2082 02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:53,760 chance so if uh if we didn't win 2083 02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:57,760 for one reason or another what what happens to the fees that we paid at 2084 02:30:55,840 --> 02:31:02,960 baskerville and donovan and all these other people for the designs 2085 02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:06,720 just like worst case scenario that's if we didn't win that's a that's a risk of 2086 02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:10,000 litigation right webb would you like to address that a 2087 02:31:08,160 --> 02:31:13,840 little bit because county's taking some of this cost too on 2088 02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:17,600 the design of the park yeah because this is the park this is a park public it 2089 02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:23,600 would be all on us that is correct the current interlocal is 59 county or 2090 02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:28,640 should i say tdc uh 41 city of destin as part of that interlocal uh and then also 2091 02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:32,080 with the agreement to um i'm sorry i'm drawing a blank on the name of the 2092 02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:39,680 resolution there on the notice to basically proceed on that um 2093 02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:43,359 the necessity to right yes thank you um so uh 2094 02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:46,880 we do split the cost of 59.41 and as part of that interlocal the county uh is 2095 02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:51,680 moving forward as part of that interlocal on the design services for 2096 02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:54,720 those three parcels and we have been uh as part of that process but like if we 2097 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:56,880 ended up losing down 2098 02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:06,560 and then uh come back to the drawing board of redesigning stuff that is 2099 02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:12,319 correct so why can't we wait to do uh the process of eminent domain first and 2100 02:32:08,399 --> 02:32:19,520 then come back and vote on continuing the 40 uh for this 2101 02:32:15,359 --> 02:32:19,520 plans that we're at 30 design plans 2102 02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:27,280 the intent of this process has been to try to get this through this 2103 02:32:24,800 --> 02:32:32,000 where basically uh the possibility of constructing the park could be uh as 2104 02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:36,640 soon as this next offseason and if we did delay that would not be a 2105 02:32:33,040 --> 02:32:40,960 possibility right but we could wait if we wanted to we would need to work 2106 02:32:38,399 --> 02:32:44,640 with the county on that to put this off sure 2107 02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:47,840 i mean just a simple question i mean we can wait you know it's just you know 2108 02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:52,240 like we we've been down not similar because it's not public 2109 02:32:49,439 --> 02:32:56,560 domain but you know like we wasted uh the city wasted a lot of money on the 2110 02:32:54,240 --> 02:33:01,840 crosstown connector you know that we paid that firm again to do and you know 2111 02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:06,000 i have full i think we would win and we public domain and all that we i'm sure 2112 02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:09,280 we'll probably win but we probably we maybe we wouldn't and then we're wasting 2113 02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:12,880 111 000 uh if we could just wait 2114 02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:15,920 until the process is over and then come back and 2115 02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:18,880 do it then this is my thought but 2116 02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:23,120 i don't know six figures of just throwing out there 2117 02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:25,439 can i mention one other thing uh i i think there's a chance that some of 2118 02:33:24,160 --> 02:33:31,120 these costs will exceed lance's authority of 15 000 2119 02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:35,359 is that correct webb that is correct so i think uh 2120 02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:38,319 they were looking for authority uh 2121 02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:41,600 to give lance the authority to exceed that spending limit we're not talking 2122 02:33:39,680 --> 02:33:43,760 about hundreds of thousands of dollars but 2123 02:33:42,319 --> 02:33:46,960 so we don't have to keep coming back to council 2124 02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:49,760 and i think the idea has always been to put it on the fast track as much as 2125 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:54,240 possible and if we don't start doing that we just 2126 02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:58,399 delay it and delay it play it and we do have a partnership with the county i 2127 02:33:56,240 --> 02:34:04,000 agree but what we have done in my opinion is created in somewhat of an 2128 02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:08,720 embarrassing situation with this process not pointing fingers at any particular 2129 02:34:05,760 --> 02:34:13,120 people or person but we we we announced the gateway to crystal beach and the 2130 02:34:10,240 --> 02:34:16,960 gateway to the area and now we now we're possibly going to imminent domain on 2131 02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:20,240 somebody which i know i voted for and we're supporting that but 2132 02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:24,800 now we're trying to say we gotta rush and give a 30 design plan for something 2133 02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:30,160 that we don't even own yet you know it just 2134 02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:34,399 may we will own it and i get that but who cares today about finishing a 30 2135 02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:37,439 design plans why don't we just wait six more months 2136 02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:40,319 if it's not ready then it's not ready i mean it's just 2137 02:34:38,560 --> 02:34:44,800 i i'd rather go on the side of 2138 02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:49,280 we don't win and we we're not wasting 111 000 and the county's not wasting 2139 02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:52,240 their money either but um i just i'd rather take a little bit more time 2140 02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:55,680 before we start just designing something that we don't even 2141 02:34:53,520 --> 02:35:02,080 own yet it's my fault and just to be clear as the county took the the front 2142 02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:05,920 seat role on driving this design uh and they are the ones who contracted with 2143 02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:10,640 baskerville donovan and they're the ones who are have been pushing the the design 2144 02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:14,720 process forward not the city so we're we're just uh requesting permission to 2145 02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:19,760 um pay the pay as per the contract uh the 2146 02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:23,840 inner local agreement what we've agreed to pay is our portion but yes i i can't 2147 02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:27,920 say but yeah i i agree with you i wish that 2148 02:35:26,000 --> 02:35:31,280 we had slowed it down a little bit but we're 2149 02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:34,319 not the drivers in this particular instance well we're the drivers that we 2150 02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:37,920 say we don't want to do it we don't have to pay them no we can we can delay it 2151 02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:44,080 right we signed an interlocal agreement with the county promising that we would 2152 02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:48,000 pay our share of 41 but when design and they're already invoicing us for 2153 02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:50,800 that well let's just tell them if we if not people agree with me which they 2154 02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:54,399 probably won't we would just put that invoice to the side 2155 02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:58,319 and pay it later when we actually approve lance yeah that's okay so 2156 02:35:56,479 --> 02:36:03,840 there's also the florida prompt payment act which uh precludes us from catching 2157 02:36:01,120 --> 02:36:07,439 on yeah from holding i heard well i just think it's silly that we're paying for 2158 02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:11,040 something that we don't even own yet so you know and if there are partners in 2159 02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:14,560 these things you know if enough of us agreed maybe they would 2160 02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:17,280 work with us on that but i'm probably a minority so i'm just rambling so thank 2161 02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:20,240 you yeah it's just going to bring a couple 2162 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:23,760 of things that were already brought up um mr schmidt 2163 02:36:22,160 --> 02:36:27,920 first and foremost this is something that we've made a commitment to early in 2164 02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:31,680 the game this interlocal is an interlocal agreement which is basically 2165 02:36:29,840 --> 02:36:35,520 a contract we have certain things we have to live up to 2166 02:36:33,240 --> 02:36:40,640 responsibility-wise we're going through this route of eminent domain because the 2167 02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:45,600 city has acted in good faith with the lands of public trust and unfortunately 2168 02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:52,080 this is how we're going to try to resolve the issue with the present owner 2169 02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:56,640 the intent of the county the intent of our city is still to finish this project 2170 02:36:55,359 --> 02:37:00,720 and and this is just part of it you don't want 2171 02:36:58,960 --> 02:37:05,920 to throw any wrenches in the spokes of the wheel 2172 02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:10,080 to slow the process down in a process that is 2173 02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:12,240 agonizing slow in the first place and and 2174 02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:19,520 so i highly recommend that we not only 2175 02:37:16,399 --> 02:37:24,080 support this motion but that we also give lance and our staff and the lands 2176 02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:28,720 of public trust and the legal firms and everybody involved with this 2177 02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:33,280 because this beach acquisition project especially this one which is our first 2178 02:37:30,880 --> 02:37:38,800 one it's critical that we get it done get it done on time and not delay under 2179 02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:42,880 a supposition that we may or may not fail if we failed a whole different ball 2180 02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:47,439 of wax anyways and a 30 plan doesn't cost 2181 02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:52,080 as much as a hundred percent plan but the process to get to sixty percent and 2182 02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:55,920 to ninety percent which each one of those will come back 2183 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:59,680 before us to prove or to agree with with the county but 2184 02:37:57,840 --> 02:38:02,080 we're not doing this alone so 2185 02:38:00,399 --> 02:38:06,399 it's easy to say well let's just wait and see if we win but 2186 02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:11,840 the county's part of this process too the county's position is let's 2187 02:38:08,960 --> 02:38:15,520 go forward in a timely manner so that's that's the horror game behind that 2188 02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:18,160 crystal was being really nice and polite when she was talking about the local 2189 02:38:16,960 --> 02:38:21,840 agreement we have to understand in this particular 2190 02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:27,840 case especially when we're talking about millions of dollars that we do have to 2191 02:38:25,840 --> 02:38:32,800 hold our partnership with the county in this particular position in high regard 2192 02:38:30,160 --> 02:38:36,399 and work with them and and when they say they would like to continue and they're 2193 02:38:34,399 --> 02:38:41,120 responsible for the majority of this cost then we should support them in that 2194 02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:47,120 that effort so that's i just recommend that we we support this motion 2195 02:38:44,640 --> 02:38:49,680 uh mr bagby thank you mayor 2196 02:38:50,479 --> 02:38:57,200 random questions all around first for the city attorney 2197 02:38:54,319 --> 02:39:00,319 i guess the imminent domain law has changed since i was up here last 2198 02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:03,359 because i'm trying to understand how we would 2199 02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:06,800 lose i mean 2200 02:39:04,640 --> 02:39:11,760 we it's not a question of whether we win or lose it's a question of how much it 2201 02:39:08,640 --> 02:39:15,760 costs us if we win we get to pay our appraisal if we lose 2202 02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:17,840 that then we have to pay them their attorneys 2203 02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:22,319 there is there a way 2204 02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:26,319 take the cost out of it is there a way we don't get this parcel 2205 02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:29,600 and if there is could you explain that to me 2206 02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:33,920 this is uh this is more an action over the uh 2207 02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:38,800 amount that's going to be paid for the parcel right uh it as a matter of fact 2208 02:39:36,960 --> 02:39:43,920 as i understand it the owner has in effect urged the filing 2209 02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:48,560 of the complaint so we're not going to run into an issue over whether it's a 2210 02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:51,520 public use or not okay uh at least i mean 2211 02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:55,439 anything is possible we're going to get the parcel it's just a question of how 2212 02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:59,439 how many zeroes are behind those first couple of digits okay that's good just 2213 02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:04,399 want to confirm that second thing yeah second thing i want to confirm uh 2214 02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:09,359 web or lance please communicate and remind the county 2215 02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:14,800 when they get their appraisal this is not gulf front property this is gulf 2216 02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:18,560 view property because it is subject to the erosion control line and there is 2217 02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:21,520 public beach south of that in fact i thought about 2218 02:40:20,000 --> 02:40:27,279 going this weekend and just setting up in my you know 2219 02:40:25,200 --> 02:40:31,439 swimsuit and letting them see me and all my glory but uh 2220 02:40:29,439 --> 02:40:34,640 i don't think my wife would let me do that uh 2221 02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:39,439 the and this is for crystal uh 2222 02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:42,720 the source of revenue for this hundred and eleven whatever thousand dollars it 2223 02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:47,680 is is this is the source of this revenue 2224 02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:52,160 part of our twelve and a half percent tdc or where is is it having to come 2225 02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:56,800 from us from our tax revenue or where is it 2226 02:40:54,160 --> 02:41:02,960 coming from uh this is from the okaloosa half penny that uh was dedicated 2227 02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:02,960 originally to okay which they 2228 02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:09,120 but i kept it high enough to cover this okay 2229 02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:15,120 and then i i have i assure your frustration kevin 2230 02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:20,080 uh because the first thing i noticed was you know if you drive down hutchinson uh 2231 02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:25,600 north of luke i'm sorry south of luke there's a little rise if that 2232 02:41:23,520 --> 02:41:30,319 structure wasn't there you'd be able to see the gulf if you understand anything 2233 02:41:27,600 --> 02:41:35,439 about view corridors and terminal vistas and you know 2234 02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:40,000 design things that's what you want and so the first thing i said was 2235 02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:44,319 let's move the structure where the house is and have that 2236 02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:47,600 unimpeded view of the beautiful gulf as i'm driving down hutchinson and of 2237 02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:50,319 course then lance told me that we couldn't do that because when we got 2238 02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:55,120 that parcel uh they stipulated that we couldn't do 2239 02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:58,800 anything and actually lance and webb had gone back to them and said hey we'd like 2240 02:41:57,359 --> 02:42:03,760 to move the structure and they said if you do that then our rules and our 2241 02:42:01,279 --> 02:42:11,200 agreement cover all three or all four parcels as like 2242 02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:15,520 no so uh we're gonna have a still looks cool yeah still look cool 2243 02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:19,920 but it won't be as cool as it could look driving down hutchinson street but i'm 2244 02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:23,120 going to support your motion uh i just want to make sure we got a couple of 2245 02:42:21,439 --> 02:42:26,560 things on the record there all right i got 2246 02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:31,120 mr destin and mr schmidt go ahead mr destin thank you mayor um just for 2247 02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:36,080 clarification does our motion include the authorization for lance to exceed 2248 02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:41,600 the 15 000 on this particular issue if not then we should make it 2249 02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:44,720 was that implied in the motion i didn't see it 2250 02:42:43,120 --> 02:42:49,040 so should we do a separate motion or should we include it in this 2251 02:42:46,479 --> 02:42:52,880 can can we do a friendly amendment if if it doesn't turn it into a two 2252 02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:55,760 issue motion which we're not supposed to do 2253 02:42:54,479 --> 02:43:01,359 if the number that was quoted 111 000 725 was listed 2254 02:42:59,279 --> 02:43:05,760 as a not to exceed and authorize me not to exceed that we could do it that way 2255 02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:11,680 or you or you could go just the amount of the current bill 2256 02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:11,680 what would our attorneys prefer 2257 02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:17,600 to be safe if you want to do it in two motions that's fine okay just to be safe 2258 02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:20,640 we'll make another motion after this one pass all right 2259 02:43:18,880 --> 02:43:25,920 and from my perspective i'd like to encumber the full amount that we could 2260 02:43:22,960 --> 02:43:31,200 owe so i would prefer to have the not to exceed amount of 111 000 just so that i 2261 02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:34,800 don't promise that money out to some other project i'd like to cover the full 2262 02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:38,240 amount so add that into the motion 2263 02:43:36,390 --> 02:43:43,920 [Music] not to exceed that's how the recommended 2264 02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:48,000 motion reads yeah so so so we're 2265 02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:53,600 we're voting on the recommended motion then we'll take up the issue of for 2266 02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:53,600 lance in a separate motion 2267 02:43:59,920 --> 02:44:06,720 frankly i don't think it matters but if the council feels more comfortable by 2268 02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:10,479 breaking it up into two motions that that's fine too but i think it's the 2269 02:44:09,359 --> 02:44:13,120 suggested motion was 2270 02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:18,600 i think it had it all together i don't have it in front of me yeah the 2271 02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:18,600 recommended motion did have 2272 02:44:27,439 --> 02:44:34,000 before we vote i'll have ray read it okay and if we have to adjust the 2273 02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:38,240 friendly amendment we will so stand by mr smith you got the floor just one i 2274 02:44:36,399 --> 02:44:42,240 just for clarification is because i like to understand everything as best as i 2275 02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:47,600 can if we lose we use their appraisers or 2276 02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:50,960 whatever let's just say that their appraisal fee 2277 02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:55,439 is five more million dollars than what we 2278 02:44:52,720 --> 02:44:55,439 were hoping to pay 2279 02:44:56,000 --> 02:45:03,359 does does that come back to us at some point to approve the final price that 2280 02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:08,560 we're going to be purchasing what are we under 2281 02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:13,279 uh binding agreement that at that judge's order like we're buying it or is 2282 02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:16,880 it coming back to us to say 100 now we're gonna buy this properly 2283 02:45:18,720 --> 02:45:22,720 well like right now we have beach acquisition 2284 02:45:21,439 --> 02:45:26,720 based on the price that we were presented or y'all were presented 2285 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:32,319 previous before i got here well we have a new appraisal 2286 02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:35,760 appraisers can't be ridiculously you you can't have a five million dollar 2287 02:45:34,319 --> 02:45:40,160 difference in two appraisers because that somebody's gonna get losing license 2288 02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:44,560 well i guess just general question does it come back to the council with the 2289 02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:49,200 updated purchase price or three managers or contracts we no it's not it's a 12 2290 02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:52,319 person jury decision one of the few times other than a 2291 02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:56,880 first-degree murder drop where you have a 12-person jury that's how important it 2292 02:45:54,880 --> 02:46:01,520 is under our constitution so we will have a jury that says we'll purchase the 2293 02:45:58,399 --> 02:46:05,439 property for x amount of dollars and whatever that number is we're 2294 02:46:03,439 --> 02:46:09,120 we are purchasing it because we're at trial at that point 2295 02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:12,399 i believe so yes yeah i mean i don't i'm not an attorney 2296 02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:17,200 and i know none of these people to the left of me are so that's why i was just 2297 02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:19,680 wanting to ask this attorney just because i don't know it all so i'm 2298 02:46:18,399 --> 02:46:23,200 just trying to understand it because it's it's a lot of money and we're just 2299 02:46:21,600 --> 02:46:26,800 don't you know i just just want to understand the full aspect of it 2300 02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:31,760 and there's a lot of other moving parts as far as funding and things that go so 2301 02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:35,120 it's a very uh but the general answer is correct 2302 02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:40,960 we would be bound by the jury verdict thank you okay here we go uh read the 2303 02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:40,960 motion 2304 02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:47,920 okay currently i have a motion to authorize the city manager to execute 2305 02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:53,359 the city's 41 percent of the portion of the county's design services contract 2306 02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:55,680 c19-22 that's 2307 02:46:54,479 --> 02:46:59,920 pw test quarter number five in the united 2308 02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:04,560 to exceed the amount of hundred eleven thousand seven hundred twenty-five 2309 02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:08,080 dollars all right thank you let's go ahead and vote on that motion 2310 02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:19,680 the vote is unit oh vote is six five to one so moved 2311 02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:23,760 and that motion was fairly clear does anyone 2312 02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:27,920 feel like we need to do a second motion mr destin we're good 2313 02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:32,880 everyone's good all right thank you announcements lance yes sir just a 2314 02:47:30,080 --> 02:47:39,200 couple um a reminder that our founders day is may the 7th that's this saturday 2315 02:47:36,080 --> 02:47:43,359 at 11 a.m to 1 p.m at our community center and it'll be good to actually be 2316 02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:46,720 meeting in person on having founders day again because we've had to skip it the 2317 02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:51,840 last couple years a reminder to council that our next 2318 02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:56,720 meeting is may the 16th and i only remind you of that because on may the 2319 02:47:53,840 --> 02:48:00,800 17th the day following we will have a budget workshop budget workshop number 2320 02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:05,359 one at 5 30 here so we're doubling up that week and if i could ask for just a 2321 02:48:03,600 --> 02:48:10,399 little attitude that i don't usually ask for um i wanted to wish kim kopp a happy 2322 02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:13,680 birthday tomorrow and 2323 02:48:12,479 --> 02:48:17,840 thank you and i also yeah 2324 02:48:18,399 --> 02:48:24,880 i also wanted to uh throw my wishes and prayers out to can't 2325 02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:29,279 kyle and his wife because number two should be here anytime now so we're 2326 02:48:27,600 --> 02:48:31,840 looking forward to that they just got to the hospital 2327 02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:38,000 while we're at that we also want to say happy birthday to kevin schmidt our 2328 02:48:35,760 --> 02:48:40,560 outstanding council member on here that's great 2329 02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:48,319 she beat me to the punch so happy belated birthday and finally to my wife 2330 02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:51,279 of 10 years today andrea who's at home watching 2331 02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:55,680 happy anniversary thanks for putting up with me for 10 years 2332 02:48:54,319 --> 02:48:59,920 okay thank you lance 2333 02:48:57,600 --> 02:49:03,920 before we take a five-minute break uh i just want to announce that uh i 2334 02:49:02,399 --> 02:49:07,680 will be indisposed on monday the 16th i gotta 2335 02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:14,880 get a little surgery done so uh mr destin ameripro 2336 02:49:11,200 --> 02:49:20,160 tim if you have the honors there you go and uh 2337 02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:24,720 and and it's outpatient so as long as i'm still upright i'll be at 2338 02:49:22,640 --> 02:49:28,560 the workshop the next day but i'm having the surgery done and i'm pretty sure i 2339 02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:34,560 won't make it yeah workshops on tuesday 17. 2340 02:49:31,520 --> 02:49:41,240 six to six o'clock correct yes all right uh five minute break 2341 02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:41,240 before we go to public hearings 2342 02:50:07,840 --> 02:50:09,920 you 2343 02:50:49,840 --> 02:50:51,920 you 2344 02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:33,920 you 2345 02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:15,920 you 2346 02:53:09,840 --> 02:53:11,920 you 2347 02:55:15,840 --> 02:55:17,920 it 2348 02:57:07,840 --> 02:57:09,920 you 2349 02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:11,279 call the meeting back to order and first up we have our ordinance 2350 02:59:09,040 --> 02:59:11,279 so 2351 02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:17,040 take it away sir thank you mr mayor uh first reading i 2352 02:59:15,600 --> 02:59:22,800 think it's first reading no second reading of ordinance number 2353 02:59:19,960 --> 02:59:27,120 2207 lc an ordinance of the city of destin florida providing for a members 2354 02:59:25,120 --> 02:59:32,319 to article 7 of the land development code to provide minimum requirements for 2355 02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:37,920 non-residential components in the town center mixed-use zoning 2356 02:59:34,800 --> 02:59:42,399 district providing for findings of fact providing for incorporation into the 2357 02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:47,040 land development code providing for conflicting provisions 2358 02:59:45,120 --> 02:59:53,520 providing for several ability and providing for an effective date 2359 02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:58,000 and this is a book hearing so at this time i'll open up the public comment 2360 02:59:56,399 --> 03:00:01,000 of the second reading of ordinance 22-07-lc 2361 03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:05,680 is there anyone in the room that would like to come up here and make a comment 2362 03:00:04,160 --> 03:00:09,439 public comment on this particular ordinance 2363 03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:15,520 seeing none i'll entertain a motion at this time oh i got one sorry about that 2364 03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:20,560 i saw you earlier i was wondering if you're gonna stand up sir 2365 03:00:17,200 --> 03:00:20,560 state your name and your address 2366 03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:29,520 uh name is mike steiner 74 sea breeze boulevard inlet beach florida 2367 03:00:28,399 --> 03:00:34,560 uh i was born and raised here in destin so 2368 03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:39,200 uh lifelong resident here i left uh left destin in the late 90s 2369 03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:44,479 for fsu undergrad and graduate school in 2370 03:00:42,160 --> 03:00:51,279 urban and regional planning and recently relocated back to 2371 03:00:47,520 --> 03:00:51,279 this wonderful area with my family 2372 03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:59,120 i'm involved in the real estate business all aspects brokerage development 2373 03:00:56,399 --> 03:01:02,479 the whole nine yards and in coming back um 2374 03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:06,640 i've kind of taken an interest in in some of the some of the different things 2375 03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:10,479 happen in different municipalities and really chasing opportunities and chasing 2376 03:01:08,319 --> 03:01:14,160 projects um in doing so modern you know checking 2377 03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:18,880 tracking these zoning changes that are proposed for the site 2378 03:01:16,479 --> 03:01:24,160 and uh and looking at this amendment you know it's my humble opinion that the 2379 03:01:21,520 --> 03:01:28,720 added layer of a 20 commercial requirement 2380 03:01:25,840 --> 03:01:32,720 to an existing zone zoning ordinance is is a little short-sighted i think it uh 2381 03:01:31,359 --> 03:01:36,000 that there may be some unintended consequences 2382 03:01:34,240 --> 03:01:40,160 that probably need to be considered before just jumping into this and 2383 03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:43,359 it's also my understanding that it was initially previously proposed for was it 2384 03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:46,840 10 percent which i believe to be a much more 2385 03:01:45,279 --> 03:01:50,640 reasonable uh 2386 03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:54,319 allocation of commercial use for percentage-wise 2387 03:01:52,960 --> 03:02:00,160 you know i've been involved in a lot of mixed-use projects so i think i 2388 03:01:56,560 --> 03:02:03,439 understand the intent i think but i haven't spoken with anyone about 2389 03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:07,359 that and quite frankly i'm late to the game and i'll acknowledge that um 2390 03:02:05,920 --> 03:02:11,200 and and and they're they're great projects when you 2391 03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:16,160 do a mixed-use project i've also been involved in some mixed use projects that 2392 03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:19,600 have vacant retail for 10 12 plus years thankfully those projects had economic 2393 03:02:17,920 --> 03:02:23,840 incentives tied to the retail and there was reasons that it was built 2394 03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:28,000 didn't work out as planned and sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't 2395 03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:34,800 uh with that said i just i make you know i request that the the council consider 2396 03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:38,160 uh revisiting the 20 requirement on this particular 2397 03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:40,640 what i call an added layer to the existing zoning 2398 03:02:39,760 --> 03:02:44,240 so i appreciate your consideration 2399 03:02:42,720 --> 03:02:48,000 anybody have any questions for michael on this what would be your 2400 03:02:47,040 --> 03:02:54,720 something about there be consequences or i i can't hear you 2401 03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:54,720 and unintended consequences 2402 03:02:55,120 --> 03:03:02,000 what could that be well it's it's certain projects are 2403 03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:06,479 being forced to be built or certain projects are potentially not built and 2404 03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:09,840 one of them would be that you know the tax base on the property could be 2405 03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:13,600 drastically different so i mean you know you guys are talking 2406 03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:16,720 about property taxes going up in oklahoma county the reason property 2407 03:03:15,040 --> 03:03:20,800 taxes are going up is real estate prices are going up 2408 03:03:18,160 --> 03:03:25,600 generally speaking when a property trades it's reassessed 2409 03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:29,279 not not every municipality or every county does that this isn't destined 2410 03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:32,880 it's an okaloosa county issue but generally speaking that's how it happens 2411 03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:36,160 um you know i believe that there's property 2412 03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:40,800 rights that are associated with this as well um and so 2413 03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:43,200 the highest and best use for a site was previously 2414 03:03:42,080 --> 03:03:46,800 x and with this added layer of zoning it 2415 03:03:45,439 --> 03:03:51,600 becomes why and it's all it all comes down to 2416 03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:55,040 economics and how certain projects underwrite i know that's a very vague 2417 03:03:53,920 --> 03:03:58,080 statement but generally speaking that's how it 2418 03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:03,279 works so one of the unintended consequences 2419 03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:09,040 could be you know the the property taxes that the property generates 2420 03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:11,680 just depends on what the use is though yep 2421 03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:16,080 michael um thank you 2422 03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:20,640 i wasn't at the meeting where this was rewritten would you like to share a 2423 03:04:17,840 --> 03:04:24,720 little bit on that i was just going to clarify something it's still ten percent 2424 03:04:23,120 --> 03:04:28,800 for the zoning district and this ordinance is not site specific it's for 2425 03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:32,720 the entire tcmu and it is still ten percent the only areas that are twenty 2426 03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:38,319 percent are the city's commercial corridor of us-98 and now we added a 2427 03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:43,359 main street at the request of council so those two major thoroughfares are the 2428 03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:48,399 only ones with the slightly increased percentage of 20 instead of 10. 2429 03:04:46,479 --> 03:04:52,880 i have a question because i wasn't here and i think mr destin you were the one 2430 03:04:50,160 --> 03:04:57,760 that raised it to 20. it was proposed 2431 03:04:54,720 --> 03:05:03,200 with 10 and 20 from the get-go oh from staff it was pr yeah it was proposed by 2432 03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:06,319 staff to be 10 everywhere except 98 which was 20. 2433 03:05:04,560 --> 03:05:11,600 and then at the last meeting what was added um at the direction of council was 2434 03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:16,479 main street to the 20 that's always how it was proposed and the reason i'm 2435 03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:21,680 asking that you know what what was i should be asking staff what was the 2436 03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:27,040 reason for going from 10 to 20. i just got back i i went to atlanta monday and 2437 03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:31,120 tuesday on my own on my own time and i stayed at 2438 03:05:29,279 --> 03:05:37,120 alpharetta city center and i went to avalon and i went to silver springs and 2439 03:05:33,680 --> 03:05:41,600 drove from midtown from downtown north of alpharetta and it was to see 2440 03:05:40,000 --> 03:05:48,080 how new smart growth was being done in the most 2441 03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:52,000 impressive ones along those especially the first three properties i want to see 2442 03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:56,240 was the development of lifestyle centers which all had 2443 03:05:53,760 --> 03:05:59,040 probably more than 20 percent retail under each one because it was four 2444 03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:02,800 stories and the reason they were four stories of 2445 03:06:00,880 --> 03:06:06,160 multi-family is because if you go bigger and that you have to start making out of 2446 03:06:04,319 --> 03:06:10,960 steel and concrete these are all stick built buildings 2447 03:06:07,760 --> 03:06:17,200 with with parking inside wrapped inside the the lifestyle center but the the 2448 03:06:14,560 --> 03:06:21,359 retail is all underneath so when you lay out your street on a 10 or 15 acre piece 2449 03:06:19,760 --> 03:06:26,880 of property you can create your own miniature city you utilizing that type 2450 03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:32,000 of requirement where you have to have 20 percent so um 2451 03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:36,479 you know we're talking about dustin everything in destin's 40 50 years old 2452 03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:41,760 and we were talking about redevelopment our cras and stuff like this this is not 2453 03:06:39,120 --> 03:06:47,279 just the trend in atlanta this is how all communities are starting to 2454 03:06:43,600 --> 03:06:51,760 redevelop themselves it's basically a grand boulevard which is mainly all 2455 03:06:49,600 --> 03:06:56,479 office buildings and retail but it becomes a residential 2456 03:06:54,000 --> 03:07:00,399 city within the city so i think this is uh i think the requirement it does have 2457 03:06:58,560 --> 03:07:04,160 unintended consequences and i hope one of them is that when people come here to 2458 03:07:02,240 --> 03:07:08,880 do multi-family is they create a new community within our community by having 2459 03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:12,880 these type of developments i think that's the trend i 2460 03:07:11,359 --> 03:07:16,160 would hope that all of you city council members would look into 2461 03:07:14,560 --> 03:07:21,760 that you could see some lifestyle centers up in 30a they kind of already 2462 03:07:19,760 --> 03:07:25,840 doing that in pensacola if you don't want to go all the way to atlanta but 2463 03:07:22,960 --> 03:07:29,520 it's really uh you know our biggest thing is we want to people to quit 2464 03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:32,319 driving through destin we want them to stay here well the only way they're 2465 03:07:31,040 --> 03:07:36,880 going to stay is you've got to give them a reason to stay and i think this 2466 03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:39,600 ordinance lines up with that mr mcv yeah i was just going to agree with you 2467 03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:44,880 mr mayor my experience is rosemary beach and it 2468 03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:48,960 is 25 to 33 because all the buildings in the town center are either four-story 2469 03:07:47,359 --> 03:07:54,399 there's a couple that are three-story but the ground floor they're all 2470 03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:58,080 commercial and uh if you read uh you know the book i gave you or suburban 2471 03:07:56,000 --> 03:08:03,040 nation or some other things on on planning um you this is the town center 2472 03:08:01,600 --> 03:08:07,439 this isn't the you know first ring or second ring this 2473 03:08:05,760 --> 03:08:11,920 is the town center so you want to build that energy you want that shopping you 2474 03:08:09,600 --> 03:08:15,279 want those people coming there uh you want them living there but you want them 2475 03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:19,920 to have something to do this is not throwing in you know four stories of 2476 03:08:17,200 --> 03:08:24,399 apartments and oh by the way on an out parcel we'll put in a starbucks or 2477 03:08:21,600 --> 03:08:29,040 something so i you know if it were me i would make it higher but i know where 2478 03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:32,960 the council is and that's 20 and i'm perfectly happy with that all right 2479 03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:40,279 anyone else seeing none we have motion have a second 2480 03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:40,279 let's take it to a vote 2481 03:08:48,160 --> 03:08:53,200 the vote is unanimous so moved sir 2482 03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:55,680 next one thank you mr mayor 2483 03:08:54,479 --> 03:08:58,720 uh ordinance 2484 03:08:56,720 --> 03:09:02,319 i'm sorry did we have a motion did somebody make the motion made i 2485 03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:06,800 apologize if i was gonna say there was no emotion i didn't think so either um 2486 03:09:04,560 --> 03:09:11,200 before bef before you make the motion i i would like to ask a question based on 2487 03:09:08,720 --> 03:09:15,800 council member bagby's um one of his comments 2488 03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:15,800 the out parcel 2489 03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:22,720 i'm sorry did you all want the ordinance to 2490 03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:26,880 disallow parcels to be carved out and putting the 2491 03:09:24,399 --> 03:09:31,040 commercials uh portion on a specific out parcel 2492 03:09:29,200 --> 03:09:33,760 just for my knowledge and staffs 2493 03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:41,680 i don't vote but that's what i would go for i think it applies whether it's an 2494 03:09:39,279 --> 03:09:46,560 out parcel an impartial if it's access from 98 or from main street 2495 03:09:44,640 --> 03:09:50,720 it follows the rules period 2496 03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:55,359 and agreed but if they if someone was proposing to put multi-family 2497 03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:59,359 on a parcel and wanted to carve out from that 2498 03:09:56,399 --> 03:10:03,120 to have the 20 commercial up front on 98 and keep the residential 2499 03:10:01,520 --> 03:10:06,720 in the back is that consistent with your intent as a council 2500 03:10:05,279 --> 03:10:11,560 i i don't speak for the council that's not my intent i'm asking the council 2501 03:10:12,640 --> 03:10:18,800 okay just wanted to clarify that and and so 2502 03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:23,279 just to get back on track the way we're supposed to be i'll entertain emotion 2503 03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:28,160 the recommend or i'll entertain emotion at this point in a second before 2504 03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:31,040 if we have any further discussion if not we'll take a vote so i'll entertain a 2505 03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:34,399 motion at this time mr bagby would you like to do that 2506 03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:43,279 i move the city council approve and adopt ordinance 2507 03:10:40,680 --> 03:10:48,080 22-07-lc on second reading as presented i'll second that 2508 03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:52,080 okay and and for guidance for staff on that i think the intent is 2509 03:10:50,800 --> 03:10:56,720 mixed use clearly because 2510 03:10:54,479 --> 03:11:01,439 i know this council from hanging out for last almost four years and 2511 03:10:59,359 --> 03:11:05,359 the thread has always been we don't need another apartment complex it's nice to 2512 03:11:03,920 --> 03:11:09,279 see glasses and some of the ones that were done by the county and they're 2513 03:11:06,800 --> 03:11:15,279 needed housing is needed but it's times it's time to start doing 2514 03:11:11,760 --> 03:11:19,680 it in 2021 style that's in the book and it's in all these other communities that 2515 03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:23,600 we want to be like and i think that's that establishes the beginning of our 2516 03:11:21,680 --> 03:11:28,200 redevelopment if everyone agrees with that let's take 2517 03:11:25,120 --> 03:11:28,200 a vote 2518 03:11:43,680 --> 03:11:51,640 the vote is unanimous so moved all right let's go ahead to our second 2519 03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:51,640 public hearing 2520 03:11:52,720 --> 03:11:58,800 thank you mr mayor this first reading of ordinance number 2521 03:11:55,840 --> 03:12:04,000 2206 lc an ordinance of the city of destin florida changing the 2522 03:12:01,279 --> 03:12:09,520 list of permitted uses in the industrial zoning district to allow one custodian 2523 03:12:07,200 --> 03:12:16,319 or night watchman dwelling per industrial site amending table 7-2 2524 03:12:13,760 --> 03:12:22,800 quote table of allowable uses close quote establishing a maximum square 2525 03:12:19,760 --> 03:12:28,239 footage for custodian or nike watchman dwelling in the industrial zoning 2526 03:12:25,359 --> 03:12:32,319 district providing for finding a fact providing for incorporation into the 2527 03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:36,239 land development code providing for conflicting provisions providing for 2528 03:12:34,399 --> 03:12:38,880 several ability and providing for an effective date 2529 03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:44,560 and this is the first reading of ordinance 2530 03:12:42,279 --> 03:12:48,880 22-06-lc which is a public hearing and at this time i'll open up the public 2531 03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:52,960 comment portion of this hearing if there's anybody want to speak to this 2532 03:12:50,640 --> 03:12:58,160 ordinance sing none i'll go ahead and close the 2533 03:12:56,160 --> 03:13:02,239 public comment period and entertain a motion 2534 03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:08,080 mayor i move city council approve ordinance 2535 03:13:04,120 --> 03:13:12,160 22-06-lc on first reading as presented i have a motion i have a second by mr 2536 03:13:10,080 --> 03:13:15,439 king is there any discussion on this matter 2537 03:13:13,439 --> 03:13:18,160 mr destin go ahead just one equipment and i and i spoke to lanny's attorney 2538 03:13:17,040 --> 03:13:21,680 earlier i thought it might 2539 03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:25,840 behoove us to make it quite clear that the person that 2540 03:13:22,960 --> 03:13:30,399 lives in this unit be an employee of the said establishment 2541 03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:32,880 i the intent is there but it never hurts to have it written in nice clear 2542 03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:37,600 language i would not necessarily necessitate us 2543 03:13:35,840 --> 03:13:42,239 to go back to second reading i wouldn't think but the land use attorney or the 2544 03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:45,600 city attorney can opine on that we'll go straight to second reading with that 2545 03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:48,399 change as we talked about earlier it's a clarification of the intent that's 2546 03:13:47,279 --> 03:13:51,200 already there thank you 2547 03:13:50,080 --> 03:13:57,080 all right any other discussion on this motion 2548 03:13:53,760 --> 03:13:57,080 seeing none 2549 03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:04,319 eyes have it votes unanimously moved 2550 03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:13,120 thank you mr mayor i also have a first reading of ordinance 2208 2551 03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:17,920 cn an ordinance of the city of destin florida relating to livery 2552 03:14:15,600 --> 03:14:24,960 vessels providing for findings of fact providing for extension of ordnance 2123 2553 03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:29,279 cn paren temporary moratorium on livery vessel permits 2554 03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:34,000 extending the temporary moratorium until december 31 2555 03:14:31,000 --> 03:14:37,520 2022 directing staff to develop recommendations for regulation of livery 2556 03:14:36,560 --> 03:14:42,560 vessels providing for severability providing for 2557 03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:46,880 exploration of moratorium and providing for an effective date 2558 03:14:45,120 --> 03:14:51,359 and this is the first reading board and it's 22-08-cn 2559 03:14:49,760 --> 03:14:55,439 and i'll it's a public hearing and i'm sure we 2560 03:14:53,600 --> 03:15:00,560 have a few folks that like to chat on this um so i will open up the public 2561 03:14:58,479 --> 03:15:04,200 comment portion of this public hearing come on up sir 2562 03:15:06,000 --> 03:15:12,239 stevens 40 25 indian trail um the question is um on the second part where 2563 03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:16,000 it's directing staff to develop recommendations for regulation of livery 2564 03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:20,439 vessels is that something that's getting added later or 2565 03:15:20,640 --> 03:15:26,479 i'm not sure if i understand your question but that that has been in all 2566 03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:30,000 of the moratorium ordinance extensions it's not new and that means 2567 03:15:29,120 --> 03:15:34,000 that when we get the results of the army 2568 03:15:31,680 --> 03:15:38,000 corps study they'll be evaluated by staff and brought to the city council 2569 03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:42,880 with potentially recommendations for altered regulations removed and added 2570 03:15:40,960 --> 03:15:47,520 the regulations may be modified based on the results of the study okay can i 2571 03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:50,960 recommend that we also add some of the stuff that the county has adopted in 2572 03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:54,080 their ordinance that's missing yeah and we've been kind of as you know 2573 03:15:52,720 --> 03:15:58,560 coordinating with the county they're taking a lot of our ordinance we may 2574 03:15:56,239 --> 03:16:02,800 take some of what they put in so we will definitely bring that all to council at 2575 03:16:01,040 --> 03:16:06,479 one time with the with the harbor capacity study results okay and then one 2576 03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:09,920 more question um so um 2577 03:16:07,840 --> 03:16:13,520 if we're all focused on safety um i kind of showed some of you all the um the no 2578 03:16:11,439 --> 03:16:15,920 wake zone alarm system that i had that i have 2579 03:16:14,319 --> 03:16:20,640 um i chatted with the county about it unfortunately the county cannot require 2580 03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:24,399 us to modify any equipment they said what they can do 2581 03:16:22,080 --> 03:16:27,760 to potentially get more livery operators to use it is 2582 03:16:26,800 --> 03:16:31,760 to maybe offer some kind of discount or 2583 03:16:29,439 --> 03:16:34,399 some kind of rebate for anybody that has it installed i don't know if that's 2584 03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:38,239 something that the county wants to look or i'm sorry the city wants to look at 2585 03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:42,080 possibly adopting also to promote more safety 2586 03:16:39,680 --> 03:16:46,000 subject matter for tomorrow okay sounds good that's all i got 2587 03:16:43,520 --> 03:16:50,479 all right anyone else all right 2588 03:16:48,319 --> 03:16:53,880 go ahead on up kyra 2589 03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:08,720 and and just for the public record this uh this ordinance is just gonna that 2590 03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:14,319 gives us uh through december 31st 2022 to work on 2591 03:17:12,479 --> 03:17:18,000 some of these other issues lining up with the county some of the things we'll 2592 03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:21,840 talk about in our private meeting and that'll all come back before this 2593 03:17:19,840 --> 03:17:26,560 council before anything is enacted go ahead congratulations 616 second street 2594 03:17:24,080 --> 03:17:29,920 destiny i come before you tonight to speak about 2595 03:17:28,080 --> 03:17:33,439 this ordinance which is the proposed extension for uh 2596 03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:37,040 the moratorium i'd like to have a quick scenario and 2597 03:17:35,279 --> 03:17:43,040 i'd like to use mr braden if he doesn't mind as a guinea pig mr braden you are a 2598 03:17:41,279 --> 03:17:47,279 building contractor and as a contractor you have many tools of the trade 2599 03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:50,160 power equipment hand tools etc and the materials in which you do your 2600 03:17:48,880 --> 03:17:55,120 business and that provides for your family now 2601 03:17:52,399 --> 03:17:58,479 let's say for whatever reason the city decided to put a temporary moratorium 2602 03:17:56,880 --> 03:18:03,200 not on your business as in a building moratorium but instead a temporary 2603 03:18:00,560 --> 03:18:06,720 moratorium on your tools you were restricted from buying any new 2604 03:18:04,880 --> 03:18:10,160 tools such as the latest power tools or new hand tools on the market 2605 03:18:08,479 --> 03:18:14,160 you would be allowed to replace a broken tool but only with the same type 2606 03:18:12,479 --> 03:18:18,319 with no upgrades and it would violate the bars would violate the moratorium 2607 03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:21,520 and i'm sure you would be outraged and you would want to do everything you 2608 03:18:19,279 --> 03:18:25,040 could to have it repealed as that takes away from you making the livelihood 2609 03:18:23,680 --> 03:18:28,720 now my point that is exactly what the extension keeps 2610 03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:35,279 doing you're limiting the amount of 2611 03:18:31,520 --> 03:18:40,479 tools that the livery businesses can use i say this because when i originally was 2612 03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:45,200 on council in 2017 and i originally voted for this 2613 03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:49,680 moratorium it was for a water quality and capacity study for the harbor which 2614 03:18:48,160 --> 03:18:52,880 which unfortunately was not started until 2019 2615 03:18:51,520 --> 03:18:55,760 three and a half years later we still have no report and at least to my 2616 03:18:54,800 --> 03:18:59,520 knowledge and now almost five and a half years 2617 03:18:57,439 --> 03:19:02,840 restrictions on delivery businesses you punish them for something that's not 2618 03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:07,600 all totally their responsibility responsibility we do not restrict our 2619 03:19:05,120 --> 03:19:11,439 citizens our visitors and our and to my knowledge we are wonderful charter fleet 2620 03:19:09,600 --> 03:19:15,040 yet we continue to restrict the library vessel business 2621 03:19:13,040 --> 03:19:19,279 if as and i think if i were on the council today 2622 03:19:16,479 --> 03:19:22,239 i would vote no simply because i don't want it to be another crosstown 2623 03:19:21,200 --> 03:19:25,920 connector 22 years and i still don't see a 2624 03:19:24,319 --> 03:19:29,439 crosstown connector and i feel this is going to continue to 2625 03:19:27,520 --> 03:19:32,399 get kicked down the road each year there'll be some reason in december that 2626 03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:35,920 the the study's not done 2627 03:19:33,920 --> 03:19:39,279 and i think that it's time now to let the 2628 03:19:36,800 --> 03:19:42,560 uh liberty people get you know do what they need to do there should be 2629 03:19:40,800 --> 03:19:46,080 restrictions and since i'm supposed to address the council i hope they'll hear 2630 03:19:44,160 --> 03:19:49,439 me in the back but delivery people need to step up to the plate too they need to 2631 03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:52,720 do a better job of watching what's going on and i'll be 2632 03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:57,040 glad to talk to them about a couple of suggestions i have anytime they want 2633 03:19:55,120 --> 03:20:03,520 but i do believe that this i do believe that the moratorium just needs to stop 2634 03:19:58,720 --> 03:20:03,520 thank you thank you karen anyone else 2635 03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:11,840 seeing none any at this time i'll close the public 2636 03:20:09,279 --> 03:20:17,680 comment portion of the uh first reading board is 22-08 22-08-cn 2637 03:20:14,560 --> 03:20:17,680 and entertain a motion 2638 03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:30,880 i have a motion to have a second second i have a second mr braden 2639 03:20:28,880 --> 03:20:35,439 thank you mayor um got a question for staff do we know if the the corps is 2640 03:20:33,520 --> 03:20:39,520 of course doing this study is that correct 2641 03:20:37,200 --> 03:20:44,479 that's right do we know of another uh harbor study capacity study that the 2642 03:20:41,680 --> 03:20:44,479 corps has done 2643 03:20:46,399 --> 03:20:53,279 i've been told of some but miss cop may have a better idea 2644 03:20:50,399 --> 03:20:57,520 i think key west comes to mind and there were some others yeah 2645 03:20:54,800 --> 03:21:00,239 do we have any idea what what kind of i mean 2646 03:20:58,399 --> 03:21:04,560 maybe what what can we expect to come out of this study 2647 03:21:01,840 --> 03:21:08,080 they they tell us that we've got too many boats do they tell us we've got 2648 03:21:06,319 --> 03:21:12,160 too many 18-foot boats but not enough 21-foot boats 2649 03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:14,720 what can we kind of expect to come out of this study 2650 03:21:15,600 --> 03:21:22,239 i'm gonna answer a little add a few the army corps you want to answer mayor 2651 03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:25,920 that's fine too yeah i've been i've gone to some of the committee meetings 2652 03:21:23,680 --> 03:21:30,080 because it's not just the army corps you've got your harbor boards part of 2653 03:21:27,680 --> 03:21:34,319 that there's jim green's on there and and it's an overall evaluation 2654 03:21:32,720 --> 03:21:40,720 of what the status of the harbor is today 2655 03:21:37,279 --> 03:21:44,560 what it can be tomorrow and to get a feel for what the community wants the 2656 03:21:42,960 --> 03:21:49,040 harbor to be so 2657 03:21:45,760 --> 03:21:52,560 there's discussion kind of ironic seeing how on the very one of the very first 2658 03:21:50,720 --> 03:21:56,319 meetings we tried to get a free dredging down the middle of 2659 03:21:54,640 --> 03:22:01,200 the channel and change the channel that's one of the committee's 2660 03:21:57,920 --> 03:22:05,279 recommendations ironically when we turn turn that free channel down but it's 2661 03:22:04,239 --> 03:22:09,040 it's to uh evaluate 2662 03:22:06,520 --> 03:22:12,399 accessibility development there's still private lots on the harbor and on some 2663 03:22:10,800 --> 03:22:16,960 of the canals and all that's been taken into account and and so i don't think 2664 03:22:14,960 --> 03:22:20,160 they're gonna come out and say you can't have any more of these kind of 2665 03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:23,520 boats or you can't you know that kind of stuff is like 2666 03:22:21,279 --> 03:22:27,920 it's more of an evaluation of how how can the harbor be maintained in 2667 03:22:25,920 --> 03:22:33,200 a healthy condition be navigated safely and 2668 03:22:30,640 --> 03:22:37,600 enhance where the harbor is today that's what i've gotten out of the meetings 2669 03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:42,880 that i've attended up to this point and they'll do that in a more definitive 2670 03:22:41,840 --> 03:22:47,040 result when they give it to us and then leave 2671 03:22:44,800 --> 03:22:50,319 us with a bunch of different options you know to consider 2672 03:22:48,399 --> 03:22:53,200 so that's what's coming out of it it's not like 2673 03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:56,239 there's too many boats you can't have any more boats they're going to address 2674 03:22:54,640 --> 03:22:59,439 everything and including storm water runoff is one of the things they look at 2675 03:22:57,840 --> 03:23:02,640 as well so 2676 03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:06,399 is there a chance they could come back and say 2677 03:23:07,359 --> 03:23:14,160 you got too many pontoon boats why do you have too many charter boats 2678 03:23:12,319 --> 03:23:17,760 um no no i think they leave that kind of 2679 03:23:15,600 --> 03:23:20,319 decision making up to the communities i think the moratorium started in the 2680 03:23:19,040 --> 03:23:25,439 first place because people on this council and the harbor board thought 2681 03:23:21,920 --> 03:23:30,000 that we had enough of those kind but nobody's addressed maybe some other type 2682 03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:34,640 of vessels i think there was an attempt to moratorium to put a moratorium on 2683 03:23:32,319 --> 03:23:37,520 private dock development in the harbor and that didn't 2684 03:23:35,840 --> 03:23:41,279 set too well with this council at that particular time so those are all issues 2685 03:23:39,680 --> 03:23:45,359 that'll be brought up kim would you like to add to that yeah i will just say i 2686 03:23:43,279 --> 03:23:50,560 think they are looking at the congestion issue though in general and whether 2687 03:23:48,080 --> 03:23:54,479 yeah as part of safety and environmental review they are looking at the 2688 03:23:52,239 --> 03:23:59,600 congestion in the harbor and if i may add one little bit to that 2689 03:23:57,279 --> 03:24:04,720 it's it's going to be more of a if this situation if you see this in the harbor 2690 03:24:02,560 --> 03:24:09,840 and we're seeing this we would recommend that if you want to go to x we would 2691 03:24:07,840 --> 03:24:13,200 recommend this so it's it's more it's more 2692 03:24:10,800 --> 03:24:17,439 going to be an if then if this than that type of recommendation so it's going to 2693 03:24:15,120 --> 03:24:19,760 be based on community values visioning 2694 03:24:18,640 --> 03:24:25,040 um and and so in their understanding of uh 2695 03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:30,960 previous recommendations from prior studies and and conditions that they've 2696 03:24:27,120 --> 03:24:30,960 seen in in similar situations 2697 03:24:31,120 --> 03:24:38,479 thank you thank you um so after that 2698 03:24:35,439 --> 03:24:42,880 study we could the council could say um 2699 03:24:40,960 --> 03:24:46,720 we want to k we want to go to a medallion or whatever with 2700 03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:52,239 livery vessels and what we've got that's all we want 2701 03:24:50,479 --> 03:24:56,160 even though we're getting hundreds from fo alton and the bar or 2702 03:24:53,840 --> 03:25:00,479 whatever coming into our harbor just not we can't expect 2703 03:24:58,880 --> 03:25:03,680 them to say that you know you got so many vessels in your harbor 2704 03:25:02,239 --> 03:25:09,520 you need to put a gate at the front of it and have somebody monitor 24 7 and 2705 03:25:05,920 --> 03:25:12,479 patrol who's coming and who's going like say if you want 2706 03:25:12,960 --> 03:25:20,560 i don't know more high-end lauderdale look you need 2707 03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:24,880 to restrict your harbor to nothing but 70-foot vikings 2708 03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:28,800 or hatteras or something um if that's the look you're going for 2709 03:25:27,040 --> 03:25:32,000 so with i mean i guess just just wondering where we're headed 2710 03:25:30,880 --> 03:25:35,359 with it you know i've been thinking about a lot what the what the council is 2711 03:25:33,840 --> 03:25:39,279 going to be able to do at the end of it what kind of ordinances 2712 03:25:37,600 --> 03:25:43,279 we can come up with or we're not putting ourselves in a lawsuit 2713 03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:46,160 you know am i saying we're going to only have 2714 03:25:44,800 --> 03:25:49,600 each home waterfront home can only have one 2715 03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:52,800 private boat or you know 2716 03:25:50,800 --> 03:25:56,800 i just don't know just kind of thinking about it a lot 2717 03:25:53,760 --> 03:26:00,000 lately just kind of curious of one what what can i expect out of this 2718 03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:02,840 and that's kind of what i thought was going to get a lot of recommendations 2719 03:26:01,439 --> 03:26:07,040 and um from the core and then i was trying 2720 03:26:05,840 --> 03:26:10,800 to you know think of what is this council 2721 03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:14,720 what can we do with those recommendations 2722 03:26:16,840 --> 03:26:23,920 um no i don't know just um just tough i i know 2723 03:26:21,359 --> 03:26:29,120 that and and then i think about well the i think the livery vessels we have 2724 03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:34,239 i think most of them had a hard time getting approved because of parking 2725 03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:36,880 um so i don't know that they you know we could double if we left this more time 2726 03:26:35,840 --> 03:26:40,319 that we could double our vessels in the harbor because 2727 03:26:39,040 --> 03:26:42,239 these they can't immediately don't have the 2728 03:26:41,040 --> 03:26:47,040 the parking but then we have literally vessels or 2729 03:26:44,080 --> 03:26:53,439 delivery companies that have been operating for a couple years now 2730 03:26:49,920 --> 03:26:59,279 and don't have a permit or nothing um at all so 2731 03:26:56,319 --> 03:27:03,279 are we stopping them are we not i i'm gonna i'm requesting to speak to and i'm 2732 03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:06,399 gonna answer to some of that in my personal opinion but mr bagby you were 2733 03:27:05,279 --> 03:27:09,840 up first all right 2734 03:27:07,840 --> 03:27:14,080 uh i've made it clear especially my livery vessel partners because i 2735 03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:16,880 consider all citizens partners you know we're up here to represent them and 2736 03:27:16,160 --> 03:27:20,960 and being a charter boat guy and part of the 2737 03:27:18,960 --> 03:27:24,239 heritage just a 2738 03:27:22,160 --> 03:27:29,359 portion of the heritage that mr destin's part of because of his family name you 2739 03:27:26,800 --> 03:27:33,520 know that sign on the west end of the bridge there says welcome to destin the 2740 03:27:31,359 --> 03:27:38,560 luckiest fishing village in the world and uh that's been the moniker here 2741 03:27:36,160 --> 03:27:42,880 uh for a long long time uh not as long as the destin family's been here and the 2742 03:27:40,239 --> 03:27:46,239 other founding families of our community but for me being a legacy fisherman i 2743 03:27:45,120 --> 03:27:49,680 always you know we don't have a real fancy 2744 03:27:47,760 --> 03:27:54,880 building you know historical buildings found you know by the spaniards or or 2745 03:27:52,960 --> 03:27:58,319 you know pre-civil war development of our main street or 2746 03:27:56,399 --> 03:28:01,520 anything like that what we have the only the really thing that makes us special 2747 03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:04,960 is we have a heritage that most communities don't have and that's our 2748 03:28:03,040 --> 03:28:08,000 fishing heritage and that's where we got started and so that's real important to 2749 03:28:06,640 --> 03:28:12,239 me i've been 2750 03:28:09,680 --> 03:28:18,239 pushing our attorneys to take more proactive uh actions and come 2751 03:28:15,680 --> 03:28:23,840 up with some ordinances to protect our heritage i think the the 2752 03:28:20,960 --> 03:28:27,279 the harbor board in 2015 i think when this first came up 2753 03:28:25,600 --> 03:28:31,359 they that was kind of i think their feelings too is like you know 2754 03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:35,760 things are changing rapidly and this is this is something 2755 03:28:34,000 --> 03:28:38,880 that's really concerning is because all of a sudden places that had a fishing 2756 03:28:37,600 --> 03:28:43,359 boat in it or a charter boat or a commercial boat 2757 03:28:41,920 --> 03:28:48,479 of course cca put dewey and his folks out of 2758 03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:51,920 business would ban the nets but also they're being replaced with livery 2759 03:28:50,080 --> 03:28:55,680 vessels and um and so that's where the moratorium came 2760 03:28:53,520 --> 03:28:58,960 from and this council as it's tried to get a handle on it some of what you just 2761 03:28:57,840 --> 03:29:03,040 spoke of we've keep extending that moratorium i 2762 03:29:01,840 --> 03:29:08,560 wanted to change that moratorium from temporary 2763 03:29:06,160 --> 03:29:13,200 but we've been waiting for the capacity study to where you evaluate the whole 2764 03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:16,560 harbor so if we do restrict 2765 03:29:14,960 --> 03:29:20,720 what takes place on the harbor that we have a legal standing in that because 2766 03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:24,880 we'll have the corps of engineers study we have our citizen community and then 2767 03:29:22,960 --> 03:29:31,279 we'll take we have to take all these issues up as a as a council and have 2768 03:29:28,239 --> 03:29:34,399 discussion hear from the public and make some of these decisions 2769 03:29:33,359 --> 03:29:40,000 i think the moratorium has as much as it's been 2770 03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:45,439 a pain in the butt for them trying to operate it's also has preserved them to 2771 03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:49,600 a certain extent with what's going on in other parts of the county 2772 03:29:47,200 --> 03:29:55,200 and that that makes their business and their position in the harbor more 2773 03:29:52,080 --> 03:29:58,880 valuable than it was in 2015 and so i think as 2774 03:29:56,720 --> 03:30:04,479 you you know in the last 18 months there's been more dialogue with the 2775 03:30:00,479 --> 03:30:09,840 industry itself to how to approve it we just heard from from from an owner 2776 03:30:07,120 --> 03:30:14,560 asking for this council to help protect their industry and so that's the 2777 03:30:12,960 --> 03:30:20,560 route i i think myself personally want to take 2778 03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:23,520 i want to make sure that our heritage remains intact 2779 03:30:22,000 --> 03:30:27,520 that our ecology remains intact that we still 2780 03:30:26,720 --> 03:30:32,399 have these people that do have 70 70-foot 2781 03:30:29,359 --> 03:30:37,840 vikings in a multi-million dollar second home paying 100 percent of the property 2782 03:30:34,319 --> 03:30:42,239 taxes i want them to stay intact because we all feed off that 2783 03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:46,239 the energy the history the legacy that this community has in 2784 03:30:44,399 --> 03:30:51,120 that harbor which sets us apart from everyone else so that's that's that's 2785 03:30:48,399 --> 03:30:55,359 where i'm coming from rodney and and i'm only going to be mayor till 2786 03:30:53,200 --> 03:30:59,439 this november 1st so i'm hoping this council 2787 03:30:57,520 --> 03:31:02,399 this comes back in this we get this study and this council makes some 2788 03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:06,000 decisions before my times that end otherwise i'm going to be on the other 2789 03:31:03,520 --> 03:31:11,040 side of that podium wearing you all out trying to to encourage you to to do the 2790 03:31:08,319 --> 03:31:15,439 right thing for our community so i think i hope that answers a little bit of your 2791 03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:20,000 discussion i i don't think that that capacity study is going to handcuff us 2792 03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:23,840 or prevent us from doing anything that we think is best for our community it 2793 03:31:22,319 --> 03:31:27,040 but it will give us a guide it will give us some direction and it will def i 2794 03:31:26,160 --> 03:31:30,800 think i feel confident it's going to put us in 2795 03:31:28,720 --> 03:31:34,560 a defendable position for the decisions that we make 2796 03:31:32,560 --> 03:31:39,120 right and i agree with you 100 and i've been i've been on board you know with 2797 03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:44,319 the moratorium and the liver vessels since 100 since day one because that has 2798 03:31:41,760 --> 03:31:48,960 been our biggest complaints of um you know pontoon boats cutting captains off 2799 03:31:46,960 --> 03:31:51,680 and just running all over you know creation and don't know what they're 2800 03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:54,399 doing a lot of them haven't never driven a 2801 03:31:53,200 --> 03:31:56,880 boat but and it's been a problem for us because 2802 03:31:55,760 --> 03:32:00,720 that's where we get a lot of our complaints from um 2803 03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:06,160 i guess it i'm just realizing now that 2804 03:32:04,160 --> 03:32:09,680 that that decision no matter what that study comes back 2805 03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:12,319 whatever court tells us that decision is still going to allow on 2806 03:32:11,040 --> 03:32:16,399 this council to do something so 2807 03:32:15,040 --> 03:32:19,279 i don't know i don't know i don't know if the 2808 03:32:17,439 --> 03:32:22,640 study is going to help me or hurt me 2809 03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:26,640 as far as you know making that decision because 2810 03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:30,239 the ultimate decisions is going to be on this council to you know 2811 03:32:28,399 --> 03:32:34,960 what we're going to do we've got enough rental boats no matter what it is 2812 03:32:32,880 --> 03:32:38,160 in the harbor now we've got the problem with 2813 03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:41,359 these rogue operators coming into town you know it's like a dime a dozen 2814 03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:46,239 everywhere this is adding to the problem so well i 2815 03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:49,840 think what we're seeing and i think john and mike would agree is 2816 03:32:48,319 --> 03:32:53,680 their industry's becoming more professional because they've seen the 2817 03:32:51,760 --> 03:32:56,800 need themselves to be good operators in our city now now we're in a position we 2818 03:32:55,760 --> 03:33:01,760 need to help them maintain that and protect that and 2819 03:32:59,680 --> 03:33:06,160 if that if that's the if we make this moratorium permanent and and then that 2820 03:33:04,319 --> 03:33:10,560 even puts a little bit more burden on us but at the same time it's going to make 2821 03:33:07,760 --> 03:33:13,680 identifying the people that aren't good operators 2822 03:33:11,760 --> 03:33:17,920 easier to find a lot of i believe if i was on the 2823 03:33:15,520 --> 03:33:21,680 business if i was little john or whoever i would want the moratorium yeah i keep 2824 03:33:19,760 --> 03:33:26,880 all my competition out i've i've operated under moratorium industry since 2825 03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:32,399 uh 2000 well since 1998 and there's value in 2826 03:33:29,680 --> 03:33:35,439 that okay because it does give you certain 2827 03:33:33,439 --> 03:33:39,439 aspects to make a living off natural resources of our community and and but 2828 03:33:37,920 --> 03:33:42,319 it also encourages you to be a good steward i think the industry's 2829 03:33:40,880 --> 03:33:47,200 understood that and they're becoming good stewards the ones that get to 2830 03:33:44,640 --> 03:33:52,479 operate here so it's a privilege and an honor and a benefit i think long term 2831 03:33:50,640 --> 03:33:56,560 to go down that route i think 2832 03:33:54,160 --> 03:34:02,239 i personally hope and believe that this council and the representation on it 2833 03:33:59,279 --> 03:34:07,760 understands the value of destin harbor in our heritage and i think i i don't 2834 03:34:04,720 --> 03:34:15,120 think the study is going to hamper us from making the decisions to maintain 2835 03:34:11,600 --> 03:34:19,279 that level of excellence i really have full confidence in everybody sitting 2836 03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:22,479 here i have full confidence in the industry themselves that we're having be 2837 03:34:20,720 --> 03:34:26,800 talking about them but we have other industries that are operating out of the 2838 03:34:24,160 --> 03:34:29,600 harbor and i i think it's a i think it's a good discussion 2839 03:34:28,560 --> 03:34:32,479 i just been 2840 03:34:30,720 --> 03:34:37,760 listening to our city and land use attorneys and saying let's let them 2841 03:34:34,640 --> 03:34:42,640 finish the study so we can make the most informed decisions based on not only 2842 03:34:40,319 --> 03:34:47,200 protecting our community but also that's defendable 2843 03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:51,200 because everything we do up here you can never ever forget 2844 03:34:48,880 --> 03:34:56,000 that you could always end up in court so we've got to make we dodge your eyes 2845 03:34:53,200 --> 03:35:01,040 cross your t's and make good legislative decisions and it's really going to work 2846 03:34:58,800 --> 03:35:01,040 jim 2847 03:35:02,239 --> 03:35:06,960 and to that first i want to 2848 03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:13,120 ask a question of the staff uh that karen brought the way i read section 4 2849 03:35:09,840 --> 03:35:18,160 of the moratorium does not prevent a livery vessel owner from 2850 03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:22,080 upgrading their tool make getting a more safe tool 2851 03:35:19,439 --> 03:35:22,080 getting a 2852 03:35:22,160 --> 03:35:27,200 well faster tool i didn't want to bring that up but uh 2853 03:35:25,760 --> 03:35:31,439 you're not helping me make my point rodney i appreciate it uh 2854 03:35:29,840 --> 03:35:36,960 it just says you you can have 20 tools and tomorrow 2855 03:35:34,720 --> 03:35:41,520 you got to have 20 tools right that's correct and they do 2856 03:35:38,960 --> 03:35:46,160 actually usually get new vessels each year further i would just want to add 2857 03:35:43,439 --> 03:35:51,439 that these tools require parking they're not just tools 2858 03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:51,439 and and 2859 03:35:51,520 --> 03:35:57,520 to rodney's point and the mayor's point because i agree with everything the 2860 03:35:55,359 --> 03:36:01,120 mayor said um you know good information leads to good 2861 03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:06,640 policy and 2862 03:36:02,720 --> 03:36:10,880 it adds legitimacy to our action uh we all you know the solutions out 2863 03:36:08,960 --> 03:36:15,040 there is it's in this city it's with those guys it's with that guys with that 2864 03:36:12,800 --> 03:36:19,760 guys with all of us uh i i attack as you probably have 2865 03:36:18,000 --> 03:36:25,040 guessed things from a financial perspective see i'm i'm more of the if 2866 03:36:22,720 --> 03:36:30,160 you're not a local you're not launching from joe's by you but if you do 2867 03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:33,520 it's only two thousand dollars today you know 2868 03:36:31,840 --> 03:36:36,720 and uh that that's how 2869 03:36:34,880 --> 03:36:40,560 that that would be jim bagby's solution problem but there's probably a better 2870 03:36:38,319 --> 03:36:46,560 solution that we you know at least four of us can agree on uh i just always 2871 03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:50,720 think you incentivize uh behavior that you want to see repeated and you 2872 03:36:48,239 --> 03:36:55,359 dis-incentivize behavior you don't want to see repeated and you and financially 2873 03:36:53,279 --> 03:36:59,359 that there's the best way is the best way i found to do that for business 2874 03:36:57,600 --> 03:37:02,800 people but no i agree i just want to make sure 2875 03:37:01,279 --> 03:37:07,120 that we weren't being owners i'm not a big fan of 2876 03:37:05,279 --> 03:37:10,720 moratoriums i'm glad you've worked up but 2877 03:37:08,319 --> 03:37:15,120 i believe let the market work but we've got to fix 2878 03:37:12,399 --> 03:37:19,439 the underlying pinnings of that market for it to work efficiently 2879 03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:25,279 but one more thing there um i wanted to say was it i don't want to 2880 03:37:22,960 --> 03:37:29,359 not only use the word handcuff these guys 2881 03:37:27,439 --> 03:37:34,000 but we basically have and then we've let the rogue operators just run rampant 2882 03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:39,920 run like wildfire and it's like we're not doing a thing about that 2883 03:37:37,279 --> 03:37:43,160 and that yeah that's that's not right um at all 2884 03:37:57,520 --> 03:38:03,040 up i mean 2885 03:38:00,720 --> 03:38:07,600 they met with coast guard they met with fwc 2886 03:38:04,399 --> 03:38:10,960 um all those agencies those enforcement agencies are on 2887 03:38:09,600 --> 03:38:15,279 full alert and i've already had some discussions 2888 03:38:13,520 --> 03:38:18,960 one of their most effective tools they ever do is they'll come in here they'll 2889 03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:23,840 bring units in from all over the place and for two or three days they'll 2890 03:38:21,120 --> 03:38:28,560 they'll stop everybody and they write a tremendous amount of tickets whether 2891 03:38:25,359 --> 03:38:33,439 it's fisheries delivery vessels of private recreational voters that's 2892 03:38:30,800 --> 03:38:38,080 that's how that works and and so for them to do that you just got to keep 2893 03:38:36,000 --> 03:38:42,479 ringing the bell long enough and i think we've rung the bell enough and and we're 2894 03:38:40,239 --> 03:38:47,680 already starting to see results the good news is we'll try to come up with some 2895 03:38:44,000 --> 03:38:52,640 ideas that this city and this council can do to enhance 2896 03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:56,720 those other agencies and in that and it's it's a total part partnership 2897 03:38:54,720 --> 03:38:59,120 because you can't catch them all a bad guy is going to be a bad guy no matter 2898 03:38:58,239 --> 03:39:01,920 what so 2899 03:38:59,840 --> 03:39:07,279 that that's where we're at there johnny thank you sir yeah i just want to say i 2900 03:39:03,920 --> 03:39:11,760 i i share the same feelings about the uh one the heritage of destin two i don't 2901 03:39:09,760 --> 03:39:15,439 see the um mr bagby i'd share the same what you 2902 03:39:13,520 --> 03:39:19,199 were talking about the the tools it's not it's not the same thing you know if 2903 03:39:16,880 --> 03:39:22,960 that's mr marlar but it's a totally different thing um 2904 03:39:20,960 --> 03:39:26,720 you know and one of my one of my main questions about this whole thing is 2905 03:39:25,040 --> 03:39:31,439 mr mayor you were talking about the moratorium on federally permanent 2906 03:39:28,479 --> 03:39:34,160 charter boats those guys don't feel that anymore they don't feel like they're 2907 03:39:32,720 --> 03:39:38,399 hand they don't feel like they're handcuffed they have 2908 03:39:36,399 --> 03:39:43,279 they got the keys to the kingdom you know and i think the guys in the livery 2909 03:39:41,600 --> 03:39:47,199 vessel business we've talked about this and the ones who 2910 03:39:44,720 --> 03:39:50,399 are doing it the right way it seems like to me i don't put words in anybody's 2911 03:39:48,640 --> 03:39:54,160 mouth but it seems like the ones who are doing it the right way are okay with 2912 03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:57,279 this i saw something on facebook the other day it was somebody 2913 03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:59,920 saying just 2914 03:39:58,239 --> 03:40:03,120 somebody was charging an astronomical amount of money for a pontoon but people 2915 03:40:01,520 --> 03:40:07,920 are up in arms and i'm over there like yeah you know like that's that's what 2916 03:40:05,600 --> 03:40:11,279 this moratorium should do this is an elite place this is an exclusive place 2917 03:40:10,319 --> 03:40:14,800 we should we should there should be an element of 2918 03:40:13,359 --> 03:40:17,600 exclusivity when it comes to these kind of things 2919 03:40:16,080 --> 03:40:22,000 and maybe that's that's my opinion um 2920 03:40:20,000 --> 03:40:25,680 but the joe's buy you thing great example that i was talking to lance 2921 03:40:23,760 --> 03:40:30,160 about that today you know i don't know i mean we would we would 2922 03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:36,560 hold these things we would we would hold these things in 2923 03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:39,279 very high regard as people who have put all our eggs in this basket to be 2924 03:40:38,479 --> 03:40:43,760 here um 2925 03:40:40,960 --> 03:40:48,319 but i don't i think it seems like to me just from the 2926 03:40:45,680 --> 03:40:50,880 as far as delivery vessel this this uh moratorium goes 2927 03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:55,600 um you know we've got 2928 03:40:52,479 --> 03:40:59,840 one a very large portion of our water sports industry the charter 2929 03:40:57,120 --> 03:41:02,960 business they are handcuffed by a moratorium they're not they don't feel 2930 03:41:01,520 --> 03:41:06,080 that way but that's if you want to put it in those terms that's what so it is 2931 03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:10,479 while we have if we were to lift this moratorium i 2932 03:41:08,479 --> 03:41:15,840 think we go so many steps backwards uh in the wrong 2933 03:41:13,279 --> 03:41:15,840 direction 2934 03:41:16,239 --> 03:41:19,520 i think this is uh 2935 03:41:20,800 --> 03:41:25,199 i had a really good thought here um 2936 03:41:24,479 --> 03:41:29,520 the yeah i think it's a good course i think 2937 03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:33,439 it's a i think we're on the right track and if we if we pull this before the 2938 03:41:31,760 --> 03:41:37,040 this harbor capacity study is over i think we're i think we're backing up 2939 03:41:35,680 --> 03:41:41,840 yeah we shoot ourselves in the foot everybody's wasting a bunch of time and 2940 03:41:38,560 --> 03:41:46,239 money i i agree johnny and and just so uh and lance i'll give you a shot here 2941 03:41:43,920 --> 03:41:49,760 real quick before we take a vote um what what the charter fishing fleet is 2942 03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:54,239 under is under a limited access privilege program it's called a lap 2943 03:41:52,160 --> 03:41:57,840 and the reason they did that was the we're we're dealing with a limited 2944 03:41:55,760 --> 03:42:02,720 resource and we can take so much out of the gulf of 2945 03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:06,319 mexico and so part of to to constrain effort 2946 03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:10,560 they they started this limited access privilege program 2947 03:42:08,239 --> 03:42:16,640 you hear the words limited access privilege program and over the years now 2948 03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:21,920 that we've developed some good fishery management plans it is truly a privilege 2949 03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:26,880 to be able to make a living fishing as a professional fisherman 2950 03:42:24,479 --> 03:42:31,120 and and and still achieve sustainability for the resource 2951 03:42:29,199 --> 03:42:34,800 itself so you can not only take pride in the fact that you're good at what you do 2952 03:42:33,120 --> 03:42:39,840 but you can also take pride the fact that you're contributing to the 2953 03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:44,479 well-being of the ecology that helps you make profit and really livery vessels 2954 03:42:42,479 --> 03:42:53,199 are no different um a good ecology and in a good experience 2955 03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:59,359 is is a is is what their customers seek above all and the more they in 2956 03:42:56,239 --> 03:43:02,720 enhanced are enhanced by that because it isn't crazy and overcrowded stuff like 2957 03:43:01,520 --> 03:43:07,600 that more money these guys can make and and 2958 03:43:05,760 --> 03:43:12,239 we've all seen that so i i just uh agree with you that uh we're 2959 03:43:10,479 --> 03:43:16,080 on the right track we'll we'll see what the final track is after we get that 2960 03:43:14,160 --> 03:43:20,479 report lance would you like to add something to it yes thank you mayor um 2961 03:43:18,800 --> 03:43:25,920 just real quick i just want to remind everyone that we have 2962 03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:30,720 invested a quarter million dollars worth of destin's money along with the quarter 2963 03:43:28,160 --> 03:43:35,279 million dollars of the federal money to get this survey to take place 2964 03:43:33,199 --> 03:43:40,319 we're the only reason we're doing this is to provide information they're going 2965 03:43:37,279 --> 03:43:45,680 to give us information data statistically significant data data that 2966 03:43:43,279 --> 03:43:49,520 matters data that's been proven it's not just me on the corner drinking a beer 2967 03:43:48,160 --> 03:43:53,040 with somebody saying this is the way i think it should be this is the real deal 2968 03:43:51,600 --> 03:43:56,800 they're they're studying and they're going to study rogue boats they're going 2969 03:43:54,399 --> 03:44:00,560 to study parking but i don't know what the answers are going 2970 03:43:58,160 --> 03:44:06,239 to be but we will find out this fall so my point is on this we just need to stay 2971 03:44:03,279 --> 03:44:10,080 the course on the moratorium until the the survey period is over and they are 2972 03:44:08,880 --> 03:44:13,520 they've already started the survey period it's not going to end until just 2973 03:44:11,920 --> 03:44:18,160 after labor day and then they're going to have to have time to summarize and 2974 03:44:15,600 --> 03:44:23,520 get the data back to us then it's back to you guys but at least this time you 2975 03:44:20,160 --> 03:44:28,479 will have true data to make decisions on of how you want the harbor to look for 2976 03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:32,560 in 5 years 10 years 20 years and beyond so i just i just want to 2977 03:44:30,640 --> 03:44:36,000 throw that out there the it's very important that we maintain the 2978 03:44:34,000 --> 03:44:38,720 moratorium until they finish their survey 2979 03:44:36,960 --> 03:44:42,000 thank you sir all right well we have a motion 2980 03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:45,359 we've had plenty of discussion and we're going to go ahead and take this to a 2981 03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:45,359 boat 2982 03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:53,239 eyes have it unanimous so moved 2983 03:45:11,760 --> 03:45:18,479 are we allowed to do that mr city attorney 2984 03:45:15,120 --> 03:45:21,040 yes we are agenda was approved as is but i'd love it 2985 03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:26,399 all right uh so we're starting with me or the city 2986 03:45:24,479 --> 03:45:30,319 attorney i'm sorry no you didn't did you change the agenda 2987 03:45:28,800 --> 03:45:32,080 yeah yeah 2988 03:45:31,120 --> 03:45:34,960 that doesn't mean i'm not having anything else to talk about 2989 03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:38,319 well that's why i let you go first thank you 2990 03:45:37,040 --> 03:45:41,040 you're a privilege i appreciate it i've done this by the 2991 03:45:40,319 --> 03:45:45,040 way i'm not picking on you because i've done 2992 03:45:43,120 --> 03:45:48,160 this in the past all right 2993 03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:52,080 threw curveball at me that's fine i i'll um 2994 03:45:49,359 --> 03:45:56,960 i commend you mayor and business owners about meeting tomorrow 2995 03:45:54,319 --> 03:46:01,920 and and doing y'all's thing but i personally feel that 2996 03:46:00,080 --> 03:46:05,120 i i guess you are going to do some good and bring some ideas 2997 03:46:03,600 --> 03:46:09,439 which is great but 2998 03:46:07,279 --> 03:46:13,040 we have we have a somewhat of a solution already there we have somebody that 2999 03:46:10,720 --> 03:46:16,479 controls joe by just by you and who can who can launch off of it 3000 03:46:14,880 --> 03:46:19,120 and this isn't this isn't the first time we've heard about this issue 3001 03:46:18,239 --> 03:46:24,160 so even after you bring your ideas 3002 03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:27,600 they they bring their ideas we gotta enforce it 3003 03:46:25,760 --> 03:46:31,199 i mean it's it's it's 3004 03:46:28,800 --> 03:46:35,120 they're already there and we're not controlling our 3005 03:46:33,600 --> 03:46:38,160 our boat launch we don't the new ideas are gonna be 3006 03:46:36,960 --> 03:46:42,800 great but we don't need more new ideas 3007 03:46:40,880 --> 03:46:47,040 it's already there if if we have somebody that's 3008 03:46:44,319 --> 03:46:50,560 documenting repeat offenders and telling our staff and we've done nothing about 3009 03:46:48,960 --> 03:46:55,279 it it's horrible 3010 03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:59,760 and if it's lance i know when we don't have a code director we don't have a 3011 03:46:56,800 --> 03:47:03,439 code deputy director i get that but this isn't just happening the past two weeks 3012 03:47:01,920 --> 03:47:06,080 you know so thank you for meeting with them tomorrow 3013 03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:10,080 but it's you know 3014 03:47:07,600 --> 03:47:14,880 it's all it's on you to then get staff i guess somebody to to 3015 03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:17,920 do what they're supposed to do at the end of the day because they're letting 3016 03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:23,920 people illegally operate it sounds like somebody's letting me illegal operate so 3017 03:47:20,239 --> 03:47:27,760 i just i really hope that we get the people to do what they're 3018 03:47:25,439 --> 03:47:31,600 supposed to do it'll be my one comment you were help you're welcome to respond 3019 03:47:29,040 --> 03:47:36,239 that if you want thank you sir sure i understand your point and i understand 3020 03:47:33,680 --> 03:47:39,520 your frustration but reality is that 3021 03:47:37,040 --> 03:47:45,439 a park attendant a nine dollar an hour park attendant down at joe's bayou has 3022 03:47:42,560 --> 03:47:49,920 no more authority than any of us do to tell somebody to 3023 03:47:47,359 --> 03:47:54,160 disembark off their boat and get out of there 3024 03:47:51,040 --> 03:47:59,359 other than they can request it but i mean they have no ability to issue 3025 03:47:56,720 --> 03:48:05,040 citations they don't have no ability to arrest someone cuff someone nothing like 3026 03:48:02,160 --> 03:48:09,120 that so i wish it was as easy as we think it is but it's not and some of 3027 03:48:06,880 --> 03:48:12,560 those guys i've helped train and and they are on a busy day if you're down 3028 03:48:10,800 --> 03:48:16,560 there the other thing you'll recognize is that i mean it's one boat after the 3029 03:48:14,319 --> 03:48:22,640 other after the other after the other and they are their jar their main job is 3030 03:48:19,840 --> 03:48:27,600 to make sure people are paying as they go through and parking correctly so 3031 03:48:25,199 --> 03:48:30,960 they've got to do that first sure so i understand your point and as far as code 3032 03:48:29,439 --> 03:48:36,319 enforcement goes they too only have the ability to s they 3033 03:48:34,239 --> 03:48:40,080 can cite someone they can request that someone does something 3034 03:48:37,680 --> 03:48:44,640 if they if the individuals do not want to cooperate i mean the only choice they 3035 03:48:42,080 --> 03:48:48,399 have at that point is to try to call the sheriff in to see if we can trespass 3036 03:48:46,800 --> 03:48:52,479 them because we have a standing trespass order with the sheriff's office but i'm 3037 03:48:50,720 --> 03:48:55,760 it's i just wish it was as simple as people think sure well i 3038 03:48:54,720 --> 03:48:59,840 mean no offense but 3039 03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:03,279 then we should pay them more six months ago pay them more 3040 03:49:01,279 --> 03:49:05,920 or given more training the person that you're saying is getting paid nine 3041 03:49:04,399 --> 03:49:09,439 dollars an hour this isn't the first time that we've talked about illegal 3042 03:49:07,760 --> 03:49:12,640 operations or so i'm not gonna argue with you about i'm telling you they 3043 03:49:10,960 --> 03:49:15,439 don't have the authority they don't have sure but we should have given to them 3044 03:49:13,920 --> 03:49:18,800 six months ago or something that's all i'm saying it's 3045 03:49:17,439 --> 03:49:21,920 things happen things happen things happen citizens bring us stuff business 3046 03:49:20,479 --> 03:49:25,680 owners bring us stuff citizens complain about stuff on 3047 03:49:24,080 --> 03:49:30,319 hollywood or whatever and then we react later so we're going 3048 03:49:28,239 --> 03:49:33,520 to meet with them and i just you know it's 3049 03:49:31,760 --> 03:49:38,880 we control who launches it at the boat docks right like we control that we can 3050 03:49:36,399 --> 03:49:43,439 try to control that and if if the attendant has an issue can he not call 3051 03:49:40,560 --> 03:49:46,800 either our uh we have a community person that the 3052 03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:50,960 i forget what his position or rank is but i mean we should if if city of 3053 03:49:49,439 --> 03:49:54,399 desert employee picks up the phone and calls the oakland sheriff's department i 3054 03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:58,479 would hope you guys are going to come to joe's bayou like pretty quickly 3055 03:49:57,760 --> 03:50:02,319 so it sounds like we have something in 3056 03:49:59,760 --> 03:50:05,840 place you're illegal operating sir don't launch your boat 3057 03:50:03,760 --> 03:50:08,239 no i'm going to do it anyways okay let me call let me call the sheriff's 3058 03:50:06,960 --> 03:50:11,920 department and then hopefully within five or ten minutes they'll be there 3059 03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:15,040 i mean it's i know you say it's not that easy but to 3060 03:50:14,080 --> 03:50:19,439 me it it sounds that would be the almost the 3061 03:50:16,960 --> 03:50:24,880 immediate thing that i would hope that we implement tomorrow to tell our 3062 03:50:22,399 --> 03:50:27,920 attendant or whoever's out there call the sheriff's department that we 3063 03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:31,840 pay them money to do certain things to support us let's get them out there and 3064 03:50:29,760 --> 03:50:36,399 to let them deal with it because i agree with you i don't want our 3065 03:50:33,279 --> 03:50:40,479 park attendant to be in altercation with drunks or any anybody i don't i don't 3066 03:50:38,560 --> 03:50:44,319 want that but that's why we pick up the phone and call the great people of 3067 03:50:42,160 --> 03:50:47,600 oakland county sheriff's office so i just i 3068 03:50:45,279 --> 03:50:51,760 i hope to see better enforcement down there 3069 03:50:50,000 --> 03:50:56,560 kevin if you don't mind i'd like to make two comments to that deal and i'll give 3070 03:50:54,000 --> 03:50:59,920 you the floor back one is uh you can get with lance and we can 3071 03:50:57,760 --> 03:51:03,040 deputize you to be the enforcement person on just by it's funny but that's 3072 03:51:02,080 --> 03:51:08,479 that's it's funny but it's it's not necessary 3073 03:51:05,760 --> 03:51:13,040 no no no because your concerns are right it's it's and if it means a little 3074 03:51:10,319 --> 03:51:19,600 yelling and pounding on the table it probably needs to be done 3075 03:51:16,399 --> 03:51:23,439 but that being said what we need to work towards is 3076 03:51:21,279 --> 03:51:28,479 we're rewriting our ldc and our ordinances right now and this needs to 3077 03:51:25,920 --> 03:51:33,199 be something that we work with our attorneys with to put more teeth in the 3078 03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:36,720 enforcement capabilities of our rules and regulations 3079 03:51:34,800 --> 03:51:42,560 and so i i think that's going to be a good start and i agree with you but with 3080 03:51:39,120 --> 03:51:47,120 all due respect it's just time and right now tomorrow morning 3081 03:51:45,279 --> 03:51:51,199 we can enforce who launches their bow at joe's body 3082 03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:54,080 right right now we don't need to rewrite any of these matters who's going to do 3083 03:51:52,800 --> 03:51:56,720 it so well in my last comment 3084 03:51:55,520 --> 03:51:59,920 even though i was trying to be cute and funny the first comment second comment 3085 03:51:58,640 --> 03:52:03,199 is even though i'm going to meet with these 3086 03:52:01,120 --> 03:52:07,359 guys anybody on this council can meet with that group of folks at any time and 3087 03:52:05,760 --> 03:52:10,560 share their ideas and come up with solutions too i'm just taking it upon me 3088 03:52:09,520 --> 03:52:13,760 because i'm a boat captain and i'm interested 3089 03:52:12,399 --> 03:52:18,239 what goes on in the harbor and i happen to be mayor as a sidebar so i'm going to 3090 03:52:15,680 --> 03:52:23,199 meet with them but but but you know if this is a passion for you too 3091 03:52:21,760 --> 03:52:26,239 i encourage that you meet with those guys and hear all the things that they 3092 03:52:24,800 --> 03:52:29,199 have to overcome because then we can come up with some solutions together i 3093 03:52:27,680 --> 03:52:32,560 appreciate it i talk with a lot of them all the time so i'm already doing that 3094 03:52:31,439 --> 03:52:34,239 but thank you um 3095 03:52:33,020 --> 03:52:37,120 [Music] the 3096 03:52:35,279 --> 03:52:40,720 mr brain was bringing up about the livery vessel moratorium which i'm 3097 03:52:38,640 --> 03:52:44,399 definitely supportive of it you know the the one maybe this is might have been 3098 03:52:42,720 --> 03:52:49,359 what you're getting to down the line though is that the 3099 03:52:45,840 --> 03:52:52,880 the disclaimer is that you know it's six to 12 months we'll be receiving 3100 03:52:51,600 --> 03:52:57,439 information from the army corps of engineers you know it's going to start 3101 03:52:55,199 --> 03:53:02,000 flowing in so i believe you know at some point we're going to be 3102 03:52:59,439 --> 03:53:06,880 presented from delivery vessel owners you know like we were a year ago of 3103 03:53:05,680 --> 03:53:10,399 when are we going to do something we're going to do something so 3104 03:53:09,040 --> 03:53:16,479 hopefully in the 6 to 12 months it's a wide range but 3105 03:53:13,840 --> 03:53:20,160 i i assume that they're they're coming close to being finished i think lance 3106 03:53:18,960 --> 03:53:24,800 said something about june or july they're going to have their 3107 03:53:21,920 --> 03:53:28,880 survey done or may well they want to perform the survey this summer when 3108 03:53:26,720 --> 03:53:33,199 during the height of the season so they anticipate giving us the results in the 3109 03:53:30,640 --> 03:53:37,600 fall so i would say september-ish that's pretty okay good 3110 03:53:35,040 --> 03:53:42,560 what what's the uh what's the update on our harbor park observation deck um 3111 03:53:41,199 --> 03:53:46,080 with the contractor out there are we still 3112 03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:49,439 moving along are we happy with them right now 3113 03:53:47,359 --> 03:53:54,720 somewhat it's still moving along okay so uh 3114 03:53:53,359 --> 03:53:58,000 i think we've got a solution to the problems and 3115 03:53:56,319 --> 03:54:02,960 and and then it's gonna get it's gonna get finished okay 3116 03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:05,840 good that's that's exciting um 3117 03:54:08,000 --> 03:54:15,359 yeah i see him out there every day too and i'm looking forward to it um 3118 03:54:12,399 --> 03:54:19,199 this summer we can use it i'm excited um 3119 03:54:16,880 --> 03:54:23,439 that's i think that was uh that's all i had so you threw me off and i'm sorry 3120 03:54:21,199 --> 03:54:27,760 you know but it's just um you know we have citizens who 3121 03:54:28,960 --> 03:54:35,279 bring a lot to us as a council in the emails and phone calls 3122 03:54:33,600 --> 03:54:41,840 and at this diocese right there the podium 3123 03:54:37,920 --> 03:54:47,120 and i take it down and i i hear them and it seems like six months goes by and 3124 03:54:43,760 --> 03:54:51,520 they're talking about the same thing so it's just frustrating to me i know 3125 03:54:49,359 --> 03:54:54,960 we're here to enforce stuff but or to put legislation into place but 3126 03:54:53,040 --> 03:54:58,880 legislation is already in place to some degree and 3127 03:54:56,239 --> 03:55:04,080 it's not our job to go out there and please all of our employees every day so 3128 03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:08,560 at minimum there's things there ldc rewrite mr mayor is gonna be great all 3129 03:55:05,920 --> 03:55:14,160 this you know i'm excited about that but at minimum it just hurts and frustrates 3130 03:55:11,120 --> 03:55:18,960 to see citizens say the same things i gave it to staff you know i did that 3131 03:55:17,359 --> 03:55:22,399 you know so that they they should go do that they should go 3132 03:55:20,640 --> 03:55:26,239 act on that right now so that's all i had thank you 3133 03:55:23,920 --> 03:55:30,000 you're skiing thank you sir uh yeah i think just this 3134 03:55:27,600 --> 03:55:32,960 maybe a little good cop bad cop he's the bad cop um 3135 03:55:33,439 --> 03:55:38,960 i think come on man it's his birthday yeah tomorrow 3136 03:55:37,279 --> 03:55:41,120 yesterday yesterday yeah yeah 3137 03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:50,239 i think i'm i'm in the same boat i mean i feel the same way i think we all do 3138 03:55:45,279 --> 03:55:53,680 and you know part of the part of the uh looking for a 3139 03:55:51,600 --> 03:55:57,840 what are we what did we say we set up a monthly or 3140 03:55:55,840 --> 03:56:02,319 report from code on the waterways and 3141 03:56:00,560 --> 03:56:07,040 there's got to be a solution you know i've developed a 3142 03:56:04,319 --> 03:56:10,479 friendship with a lot of these guys and you know i expect the same thing if 3143 03:56:08,960 --> 03:56:14,319 somebody's doing wrong in my business i expect people in in charge to do right 3144 03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:19,199 by me to make sure that i'm being looked after and i don't think we're looking 3145 03:56:15,920 --> 03:56:22,000 after them very well so um i don't know how we 3146 03:56:22,880 --> 03:56:29,040 what the solution is but there's got to be one you know is it 3147 03:56:27,439 --> 03:56:33,359 more more waterway enforcement 3148 03:56:31,120 --> 03:56:36,640 um i think it's something we need to keep 3149 03:56:35,120 --> 03:56:40,399 fresh i don't know where to go from here but 3150 03:56:37,359 --> 03:56:45,760 i'm i'm with kevin on this and that's all i have thanks miss saber 3151 03:56:43,760 --> 03:56:49,199 thank you mayor before i do the tdc report i want to 3152 03:56:47,279 --> 03:56:53,199 talk a couple of shout outs to some of the city staff that are killing 3153 03:56:50,960 --> 03:56:57,600 themselves um noelle has done a phenomenal job on several building and 3154 03:56:55,680 --> 03:57:01,920 permitting and people have called me and asked me how to find it i've called 3155 03:56:59,760 --> 03:57:06,080 noelle she's text me back told me where the for that person to find it they 3156 03:57:03,520 --> 03:57:10,960 found it so i just want to commend you guys on your process i know the computer 3157 03:57:08,640 --> 03:57:14,160 compass system has some glitches you guys have helped figure it out and 3158 03:57:12,319 --> 03:57:17,359 you've helped several of the folks that have called me and asked for help so 3159 03:57:16,080 --> 03:57:21,359 thank you for what you're doing i know you're understaffed and i know that 3160 03:57:18,800 --> 03:57:23,520 there's 123 on your desk right now so thank you for what you're turning 3161 03:57:22,560 --> 03:57:28,080 through secondly thank you michael burgess for 3162 03:57:25,359 --> 03:57:31,279 coming out and uh helping my neighbors who are frustrated with the easement 3163 03:57:30,080 --> 03:57:35,600 overgrowth and i know it's been a chore you're 3164 03:57:33,520 --> 03:57:38,640 short-handed as well so thank you for helping us get some of those issues 3165 03:57:37,120 --> 03:57:41,359 taken care of and hopefully we'll get those quotes in to get those finished up 3166 03:57:40,640 --> 03:57:44,880 so just want to give those shout outs to 3167 03:57:42,800 --> 03:57:49,199 the the staff that are our main maintaining without the full staff 3168 03:57:47,120 --> 03:57:54,239 support because y'all are short staff so thank you for what you're doing 3169 03:57:51,600 --> 03:57:56,720 as the tdc rep for the 3170 03:57:54,960 --> 03:58:00,399 destin city council i told jennifer adams our director who 3171 03:57:58,640 --> 03:58:04,479 could not make it to the last meeting and then couldn't make it to tonight's 3172 03:58:02,239 --> 03:58:08,800 to present that i would present on her behalf all of the updates that are 3173 03:58:06,640 --> 03:58:12,720 absolutely fantastic for our area for the destin fort walton tdc 3174 03:58:11,439 --> 03:58:17,199 so with that um catherine you're going to run the 3175 03:58:14,080 --> 03:58:21,040 slides for me thank you um the first slide in destination effort 3176 03:58:19,040 --> 03:58:24,560 plan destination stewardship it continues to be successful and they're 3177 03:58:22,640 --> 03:58:30,560 expanding this program this summer so there's going to be more moms involved 3178 03:58:26,880 --> 03:58:35,439 more programs and more little outlets um they've created what they call ads in 3179 03:58:33,120 --> 03:58:38,960 the sand it's these big stamps that they stamp into the sand and it sort of helps 3180 03:58:37,680 --> 03:58:43,120 create what um is available everything from you 3181 03:58:41,680 --> 03:58:47,520 know golf cart rides that are going to be right there in crystal beach shores 3182 03:58:45,199 --> 03:58:51,120 popsicles and store fronts down at destin commons they're going to have 3183 03:58:48,880 --> 03:58:55,199 those clings on a lot of the windows that speak to 3184 03:58:52,960 --> 03:58:59,120 the programs for little adventures this was a success last year they're 3185 03:58:57,199 --> 03:59:02,560 going to bring it back this year we've got a couple of council members 3186 03:59:00,800 --> 03:59:06,720 that have volunteered to be golf cart drivers we've also had some 3187 03:59:04,399 --> 03:59:10,399 some other members that have volunteered to do 3188 03:59:07,600 --> 03:59:14,239 golf cart driving to show some some uh 3189 03:59:12,319 --> 03:59:16,160 hospitality from the destin side of the house 3190 03:59:15,120 --> 03:59:20,479 um storefront signage destin commons all 3191 03:59:18,239 --> 03:59:24,399 the way to fort walton beach uh the next thing you'll see is on the 3192 03:59:22,399 --> 03:59:28,880 little adventures takeover of mid bay bridge toll so as people are coming 3193 03:59:26,960 --> 03:59:31,920 through the mid bay bridge now there are 3194 03:59:30,000 --> 03:59:35,680 rap booths and the toll workers are going to be handing out the little 3195 03:59:33,120 --> 03:59:39,760 adventure maps which tells the moms all the programs and things the kids get to 3196 03:59:37,439 --> 03:59:43,760 do that are free and low cost and where they can go on the website to find them 3197 03:59:41,920 --> 03:59:48,080 and they'll also get what they call push notifications as they go through the 3198 03:59:46,160 --> 03:59:52,080 booth for their um text options while they're in destin 3199 03:59:50,800 --> 03:59:57,680 so that they'll be able to see everything from beach safety to flag 3200 03:59:54,880 --> 04:00:01,680 alerts to where to go get things for your kids 3201 03:59:59,840 --> 04:00:05,439 the next thing you'll see is the little adventures map this is what they're 3202 04:00:03,520 --> 04:00:09,040 being handed this shows all the little adventures in one place it shows how 3203 04:00:07,359 --> 04:00:13,359 close mom is to an adventure and what adventures they can do there's also a qr 3204 04:00:11,680 --> 04:00:17,760 code so that they can scan it into their phone gives their mom 3205 04:00:15,439 --> 04:00:21,199 more engagement with local moms um that have done these little adventures with 3206 04:00:19,600 --> 04:00:24,239 their own kids and can help them feel comfortable with them 3207 04:00:22,560 --> 04:00:30,080 the map is going to be also handed out at the toll booth the lodging partners 3208 04:00:27,359 --> 04:00:34,239 mr wampler's here he can speak to that restaurants welcome center state parks 3209 04:00:32,160 --> 04:00:39,040 and on the golf cart rides and at the popsicle carts the other thing that 3210 04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:41,920 we're very proud of is the water safety campaign 3211 04:00:40,239 --> 04:00:45,840 we've talked about this for the last two years and here's something that i 3212 04:00:43,760 --> 04:00:49,760 spearheaded and i'm very proud to say that destin is part of the push 3213 04:00:48,160 --> 04:00:54,160 here's the example of the new water safety brochure designed to align with 3214 04:00:51,840 --> 04:00:57,680 the little adventures and it has what the flags mean 3215 04:00:55,840 --> 04:01:02,640 on that color code on one side and as you flip it over it shows how 3216 04:01:00,800 --> 04:01:07,439 that person if they've caught in rip current how they need to swim out and 3217 04:01:04,880 --> 04:01:11,439 swim away and come back into the shore so these are also going to be on the 3218 04:01:09,279 --> 04:01:15,520 golf carts and down there in the lifeguard stands as well 3219 04:01:13,439 --> 04:01:20,239 then the next thing you'll see is finally there's an installation monument 3220 04:01:17,600 --> 04:01:25,199 markers on the beach for public safety these are all aligned with the fdep's r 3221 04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:28,960 system which are placed every 500 feet they're starting on okaloosa island and 3222 04:01:26,880 --> 04:01:31,279 they're working this way because a lot of times when people are on the beach 3223 04:01:30,080 --> 04:01:34,239 and they have an accident or they need somebody they look around and they're 3224 04:01:33,040 --> 04:01:37,279 like well there's this big white building here and i think there's a pink 3225 04:01:35,760 --> 04:01:41,600 building there so these are now going to make it easy 3226 04:01:39,920 --> 04:01:45,520 because there's going to be a sign there and the sheriff and the all the safety 3227 04:01:43,840 --> 04:01:50,160 they know what these codes and numbers are they're gps coordinates and they're 3228 04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:54,800 currently being fed into the 911 dispatch system so that r signed number 3229 04:01:52,880 --> 04:01:59,680 at the top of the dune it'll allow for the accurate location i did ask jennifer 3230 04:01:57,279 --> 04:02:04,960 about putting on these signs since they're on the beach leave no trace 3231 04:02:02,640 --> 04:02:08,000 and since they can't commit to that i told her if they didn't have them on 3232 04:02:06,319 --> 04:02:12,479 them when they got to the destin beach i would get a pile of stickers and i'll be 3233 04:02:10,080 --> 04:02:18,399 putting one on every one of our signs and destiny so that that's our logo 3234 04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:22,319 next the trash cans i know we've all talked about we need more trash cans 3235 04:02:20,640 --> 04:02:26,720 they were going to try and encourage put beach cleanups in parks by adding these 3236 04:02:24,399 --> 04:02:30,000 little adventure trash cans they can't really use them where the big ones are 3237 04:02:28,399 --> 04:02:33,840 that are picked up by the trucks because when the claws come around they scrape 3238 04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:36,720 off the plastic so we found that's not going to work so they're going to 3239 04:02:35,040 --> 04:02:41,520 probably post them in places like at the commons and under other areas where they 3240 04:02:38,880 --> 04:02:45,520 are handled by a person versus a big truck pickup 3241 04:02:43,760 --> 04:02:49,359 the next thing you're going to see is the adventures in close signage there's 3242 04:02:47,760 --> 04:02:52,319 going to be permanent signage to be strategically placed to promote little 3243 04:02:51,199 --> 04:02:56,000 adventures like this one right here is at beasley 3244 04:02:54,080 --> 04:02:59,040 park and it promotes the gulf area which is right up the road 3245 04:02:57,359 --> 04:03:03,359 and it offers families and more things to do and supports the tourism industry 3246 04:03:01,520 --> 04:03:07,520 here in the area and then the other thing next slide is 3247 04:03:06,000 --> 04:03:11,680 um they're going to do these in some of the condos it's the um little several 3248 04:03:10,319 --> 04:03:14,960 partners are going to be working with a wrap to the elevator so that when the 3249 04:03:13,359 --> 04:03:19,760 elevator is closed there's a person swimming under the water looks like on 3250 04:03:16,960 --> 04:03:23,920 that side then when it opens up it's inside like you can see like an aquarium 3251 04:03:21,920 --> 04:03:28,319 kind of look to it of what the ocean is and there's the qr code they can use 3252 04:03:25,680 --> 04:03:33,279 their phone to get to the website with that qr code and see what there is fun 3253 04:03:31,040 --> 04:03:37,199 to do around their condo as well as down at the commons all the way down to 3254 04:03:34,640 --> 04:03:40,239 callfarium and things to do next slide 3255 04:03:38,800 --> 04:03:44,560 this is something that's really cool they did this down at the commons at the 3256 04:03:41,920 --> 04:03:48,319 adventure crosswalks and it's in all of the areas around in the commons and some 3257 04:03:46,640 --> 04:03:53,040 of the others are in some of the other areas um that they're 3258 04:03:50,479 --> 04:03:56,880 looking at is some of the condos and the walk across but right now these are down 3259 04:03:54,960 --> 04:04:01,040 all around in the commons um the next one 3260 04:03:58,800 --> 04:04:03,279 these are just some of the um visuals i think 3261 04:04:02,080 --> 04:04:06,479 yeah i don't know if there's any more it's like yeah there there's the these 3262 04:04:05,359 --> 04:04:09,920 are the other um 3263 04:04:08,160 --> 04:04:11,920 in destination cars 3264 04:04:10,960 --> 04:04:15,359 people sort of online calendar for locals to 3265 04:04:14,000 --> 04:04:18,720 enjoy and then let's see 3266 04:04:16,880 --> 04:04:23,199 these are some of the moms that work these ladies have done basically the 3267 04:04:20,560 --> 04:04:28,160 online chat so when somebody clicks on the destin fort walton beach clicks on 3268 04:04:25,359 --> 04:04:33,199 little adventure clicks on i have a five to seven year old immediately it pops up 3269 04:04:30,239 --> 04:04:37,040 and says reach out to abby click here she has a five and a seven year old and 3270 04:04:34,800 --> 04:04:41,120 then she can coach them on hey this is a really cool thing do the paddle boards 3271 04:04:38,479 --> 04:04:45,279 or do the pin fishing this is also for our locals so whenever you're out 3272 04:04:43,680 --> 04:04:50,479 shopping with your family and you're at the destin commons and you see this this 3273 04:04:47,520 --> 04:04:53,439 is for everybody so we want moms that live here that haven't seen this that 3274 04:04:52,080 --> 04:04:56,479 haven't done this kevin your wife's got some little people 3275 04:04:55,120 --> 04:05:00,080 i'm sure this would be right up her alley she'd probably love to you know 3276 04:04:58,160 --> 04:05:03,199 reach out and either connect with moms that have already done it or just 3277 04:05:01,520 --> 04:05:07,920 because she lives here get the kids out and enjoy some of our own fun stuff 3278 04:05:06,319 --> 04:05:11,920 then the next thing is what we have is our adventure packs it's kind of hard to 3279 04:05:09,920 --> 04:05:15,760 see up here but the pax pair the water-based partners with local 3280 04:05:13,359 --> 04:05:20,640 restaurants the tdc pays the local pac partner 50 of the total cost that keeps 3281 04:05:18,479 --> 04:05:24,479 the cost down for the mom's dads or whoever's bringing the kids into town to 3282 04:05:22,160 --> 04:05:29,600 do these events that it's a very low cost because tdc is offsetting the bulk 3283 04:05:27,279 --> 04:05:32,800 of it this promotes our local economy and offers little adventures to the moms 3284 04:05:31,359 --> 04:05:36,239 who may not know about all the great things there are to do than other just 3285 04:05:34,800 --> 04:05:40,720 to go to the beach um then the next page is the local 3286 04:05:39,439 --> 04:05:44,640 partners that we're working with this summer we've done our best to work with 3287 04:05:42,319 --> 04:05:48,000 local partners there's been several that have been contacted that are just not 3288 04:05:46,479 --> 04:05:53,199 really interested but we do have some really awesome ones 3289 04:05:50,399 --> 04:05:57,920 um swell pops gulfarium lulu's destin paddle company smiling wave salt water 3290 04:05:55,680 --> 04:06:01,680 hey baby charters fast signs east pass wet 3291 04:05:58,800 --> 04:06:05,439 and every day another partner sees another way to become part of it so 3292 04:06:04,160 --> 04:06:09,120 we're always looking for anybody that wants to help 3293 04:06:06,640 --> 04:06:12,960 our adventures whether it's a local family or a visiting to have a good time 3294 04:06:11,279 --> 04:06:17,439 so if you're interested either reach out to me or to jennifer at tdc 3295 04:06:15,920 --> 04:06:20,960 the next one you'll see here is the little adventure it's a little sort of 3296 04:06:19,199 --> 04:06:24,800 shack but it's not a shack it's like a really cool building that was built 3297 04:06:22,960 --> 04:06:28,800 and there's going to be the outpost at crystal shores which is this one 3298 04:06:27,120 --> 04:06:33,680 and there's going to be one that should be ready in may that's called the pop-up 3299 04:06:31,439 --> 04:06:37,920 so if you look in the next one these are like little bitty campers so they can be 3300 04:06:35,920 --> 04:06:42,560 moved whether they're over on okaloosa island or locally in destin these will 3301 04:06:40,399 --> 04:06:46,080 be smaller pop-ups that can be utilized throughout the county in the parks and 3302 04:06:44,399 --> 04:06:50,479 other locations so 3303 04:06:46,880 --> 04:06:54,239 with that that's the update on tdc and i don't know if any of you council 3304 04:06:51,600 --> 04:06:58,319 members have any questions but hopefully those of you watching online if you have 3305 04:06:56,399 --> 04:07:01,840 kids and you want to do some fun stuff we're going to be able to help you help 3306 04:07:00,399 --> 04:07:06,080 your kids enjoy the summer because we've got a lot of stuff that's rolling out so 3307 04:07:04,479 --> 04:07:10,880 with that mayor that's all i have thank you thanks councilwoman hey bear 3308 04:07:08,479 --> 04:07:15,680 appreciate it very much mr bagman thanks mr mayor three quick things i 3309 04:07:13,120 --> 04:07:21,120 hope uh first uh we received the committee attendance reports i want to 3310 04:07:18,000 --> 04:07:25,760 thank uh c clerk for uh sharing that with us i'm sure everybody went through 3311 04:07:22,880 --> 04:07:29,199 theirs and i have a couple of folks that are 3312 04:07:27,359 --> 04:07:32,880 have not been able to make meetings i talked to both of them today 3313 04:07:31,279 --> 04:07:36,880 one of them my public works public safety committee 3314 04:07:35,520 --> 04:07:41,840 representative mark brown lieutenant colonel mark brown 3315 04:07:39,040 --> 04:07:46,880 is changing command up at 3rd battalion 7th 3316 04:07:43,760 --> 04:07:51,520 and june 16th and he's being reassigned down to homestead so i will 3317 04:07:49,680 --> 04:07:55,279 he's going to be at the meeting tomorrow but i will be bringing at the next 3318 04:07:53,279 --> 04:07:58,720 meeting another appointment my other one on the 3319 04:07:57,040 --> 04:08:02,960 parks and recs we had a great conversation and he understands and he 3320 04:08:01,920 --> 04:08:07,760 will do much better 3321 04:08:05,279 --> 04:08:11,600 this next quarter in attending and i appreciate that 3322 04:08:09,439 --> 04:08:11,600 the 3323 04:08:11,760 --> 04:08:19,600 second thing i have is on joe's bayou i mean 3324 04:08:17,840 --> 04:08:22,960 i share your frustration i think everybody in this room shares your 3325 04:08:21,120 --> 04:08:26,880 frustration you know i would just ask the city manager sheriff's office code 3326 04:08:25,520 --> 04:08:31,439 enforcement we know where the problem is it's at 3327 04:08:28,880 --> 04:08:34,800 joe's bayou we know when it is nine o'clock to eleven o'clock on 3328 04:08:33,279 --> 04:08:39,439 saturday mornings surely for two hours 3329 04:08:37,120 --> 04:08:43,760 we can have a code person down because i agree 100 with you 3330 04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:49,439 it is not a park attendance responsibility to do anything other than 3331 04:08:46,159 --> 04:08:52,800 maybe call code enforcement or call the sheriff they're they're trying to keep 3332 04:08:51,359 --> 04:08:58,239 it safe down there they're trying to collect money they're not 3333 04:08:54,960 --> 04:09:03,600 a law enforcement or a code enforcement entity but we have 3334 04:09:00,479 --> 04:09:07,359 people who are that we are paying or paying their contract 3335 04:09:05,920 --> 04:09:10,399 for two hours you know 3336 04:09:08,319 --> 04:09:14,640 this saturday and maybe two hours on sunday at another location whatever the 3337 04:09:12,159 --> 04:09:19,680 second worst location down on the harbor is or wherever it is 3338 04:09:16,800 --> 04:09:23,439 have somebody down there because people learn 3339 04:09:21,439 --> 04:09:29,760 you know you write six citations saturday morning 3340 04:09:26,880 --> 04:09:33,359 you that's half of those won't be back there now they may be someplace else you 3341 04:09:31,359 --> 04:09:37,840 may chase them somewhere into the harbor but they learn uh once they start paying 3342 04:09:36,560 --> 04:09:41,600 those fines and finally the only thing i would say 3343 04:09:39,680 --> 04:09:44,239 great presentation i thought they were going to put those 3344 04:09:42,640 --> 04:09:47,680 trash balls on the beach and i was just going to say they need to have lids 3345 04:09:46,000 --> 04:09:51,520 because our experience when i ran the tdc in walton county is 3346 04:09:50,159 --> 04:09:55,840 people just pile stuff in there until they overflow 3347 04:09:54,000 --> 04:10:00,239 and on certain times of the year middle of the summer you cannot keep up with 3348 04:09:58,239 --> 04:10:04,479 emptying those trash against you just unless you put somebody there 3349 04:10:02,479 --> 04:10:09,199 the whole time and so if you have some kind of lid because 3350 04:10:06,319 --> 04:10:13,760 varmints varmints get into them you know raccoons and stuff it's just 3351 04:10:11,279 --> 04:10:16,560 something think about thank you mr mr destin 3352 04:10:17,680 --> 04:10:23,439 mayor i appreciate it i'm on the i'm briefly speaking on the joe's bible 3353 04:10:21,920 --> 04:10:28,560 issue we need to ascertain if the council at some point in the past 3354 04:10:26,000 --> 04:10:31,840 stops the commercial fees if they did we need to put that 3355 04:10:30,479 --> 04:10:35,760 back in and then i think city manager you 3356 04:10:34,239 --> 04:10:40,479 have gotten pretty good feedback forward putting some extra 3357 04:10:38,239 --> 04:10:43,199 concentration of our code enforcement folks down there once we ascertain the 3358 04:10:42,080 --> 04:10:48,319 answer to that so we can address that one the other 3359 04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:53,920 issue and i'll briefly speak on it since i had the joy of rejoining this council 3360 04:10:51,520 --> 04:10:57,439 we have struggled mightily to try to hold these meetings where they don't go 3361 04:10:55,520 --> 04:11:01,760 late into the night i think tonight is a fine example about our inability to do 3362 04:10:59,600 --> 04:11:05,840 that so far i want to bring in my experience on the 3363 04:11:04,479 --> 04:11:09,359 school board and what the county commission does and what a number of 3364 04:11:07,040 --> 04:11:13,040 municipalities do they have a workshop like on the thursday for the meeting 3365 04:11:11,439 --> 04:11:17,199 where most of this gets hashed out into three hours and the meetings end up in 3366 04:11:15,040 --> 04:11:20,800 most cases to be an hour or less the official meetings at night we need to 3367 04:11:19,120 --> 04:11:23,920 consider thinking about that if if that's going to lead us toward meetings 3368 04:11:22,640 --> 04:11:28,000 that don't go between nine and ten o'clock at night 3369 04:11:25,760 --> 04:11:31,120 and uh you know i used to say that was a dumb idea because you were spending the 3370 04:11:29,680 --> 04:11:35,840 same amount of money same amount of time 3371 04:11:33,520 --> 04:11:40,479 but it wasn't late at night if you do your workshops you know earlier in the 3372 04:11:38,159 --> 04:11:43,760 day so we need to be considering that so we can make these meetings not go to 9 3373 04:11:42,080 --> 04:11:47,439 or 10 o'clock at night that's it mayor thanks 3374 04:11:45,520 --> 04:11:52,319 yeah it's just one of the casualties of the florida sunshine laws is you can't 3375 04:11:50,080 --> 04:11:54,960 have open debate discussions prior to these kind of meetings you know it's 3376 04:11:53,840 --> 04:11:58,319 just again unless you have a workshop so 3377 04:11:59,279 --> 04:12:06,960 yeah i like that idea personally some of the other members may not with 3378 04:12:04,800 --> 04:12:12,800 the big pay raise that they got to spend more time here in this room but 3379 04:12:10,000 --> 04:12:16,640 anyways uh you know i i agree with you there uh some nights we've been pretty 3380 04:12:14,960 --> 04:12:20,800 lucky we've got out of here before 8 o'clock when i saw tonight's agenda in 3381 04:12:18,800 --> 04:12:23,520 the subject matter i had kind of had a feeling this was going to be a little 3382 04:12:22,000 --> 04:12:27,680 bit longer so i but i tell you what 3383 04:12:25,920 --> 04:12:31,120 we could look into that a little more serious at our next 3384 04:12:29,199 --> 04:12:34,399 meeting and have that actual discussion yeah i expect that staff can make some 3385 04:12:33,199 --> 04:12:38,720 recommendations and i'll make a motion either we'll do it or we won't 3386 04:12:36,239 --> 04:12:43,600 sometime soon okay mr braden 3387 04:12:40,479 --> 04:12:47,439 thank you mayor um city manager the dilapidated house have done at the foot 3388 04:12:45,760 --> 04:12:51,840 of the dustin bridge um 3389 04:12:49,439 --> 04:12:54,960 if we take any other action to try to rectify that are we still collecting 250 3390 04:12:53,920 --> 04:13:00,560 dollars a a day or something in fines 3391 04:12:56,800 --> 04:13:00,560 i'm going to let miss bell answer that 3392 04:13:00,800 --> 04:13:06,319 uh thank you city manager um yeah we 3393 04:13:04,479 --> 04:13:11,760 have quotes from jobs dirt works 3394 04:13:09,040 --> 04:13:15,760 which michael and i both reached out to they've 3395 04:13:12,880 --> 04:13:19,520 provided us a quote and currently we're we're just working on me because we 3396 04:13:18,000 --> 04:13:22,479 already have jobs dirt works 3397 04:13:20,800 --> 04:13:27,199 contract on the um 3398 04:13:24,239 --> 04:13:33,040 for demoing the beach acquisition homes so we were looking to 3399 04:13:30,159 --> 04:13:38,319 um piggyback off that with them to go ahead and do the 3400 04:13:34,720 --> 04:13:42,560 calhoun house so we're very close awesome thank you so much um and the 3401 04:13:40,880 --> 04:13:45,760 next thing oh yeah 3402 04:13:44,399 --> 04:13:49,680 um i had a kind of a meeting with staff 3403 04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:52,640 thursday um 3404 04:13:51,040 --> 04:13:56,640 it was a question i brought forward to them and it was it was kind of 3405 04:13:53,920 --> 04:13:59,840 disturbing i kind of knew most of it but i really didn't know how it worked 3406 04:13:59,199 --> 04:14:03,680 and nothing on staff they're only using the 3407 04:14:01,760 --> 04:14:09,439 tools that this council has adopted and gave them to work with 3408 04:14:06,880 --> 04:14:12,159 so staff's not doing anything wrong um but 3409 04:14:12,239 --> 04:14:17,680 we've sat up here and bitched about parking 3410 04:14:15,359 --> 04:14:22,080 and livery vessels um for quite some time parking since 3411 04:14:19,760 --> 04:14:25,520 i've been here eight years parking so anyway 3412 04:14:23,279 --> 04:14:25,520 um 3413 04:14:26,560 --> 04:14:32,159 if if i want to buy a 3414 04:14:29,199 --> 04:14:37,760 piece of property on the destin harbor and i want to put a restaurant on it i 3415 04:14:34,080 --> 04:14:42,479 have to get a development order and if i submit my plans 3416 04:14:41,199 --> 04:14:47,040 to the city and i'm one parking place short of what 3417 04:14:44,800 --> 04:14:51,600 i'm required to have for this restaurant to serve lunch and dinner 3418 04:14:49,359 --> 04:14:56,560 i'm denied i have to go back to my engineering architect whatever redesign 3419 04:14:54,560 --> 04:14:59,040 it squeeze another parking spot in there somewhere 3420 04:14:59,840 --> 04:15:04,399 so i resubmit it 3421 04:15:03,040 --> 04:15:09,199 and i'm approved now i have enough parking 3422 04:15:06,960 --> 04:15:11,760 so i i get my building permit i build my restaurant 3423 04:15:12,720 --> 04:15:20,640 next week i come back in and say you know what i want 15 pontoon boats behind 3424 04:15:18,319 --> 04:15:26,560 my restaurant that requires i don't know 2.3 parking places per boat on the rough 3425 04:15:23,040 --> 04:15:26,560 stage to say 30 parking places 3426 04:15:27,040 --> 04:15:34,640 so then staff says no problem i got this neat little formula back here 3427 04:15:31,279 --> 04:15:39,120 that the council has approved i get my calculator out and calculate it 3428 04:15:36,960 --> 04:15:43,040 voila there you go all of a sudden you got enough parking now for your pontoon 3429 04:15:41,199 --> 04:15:48,319 boats and your restaurant i know i told you a month or a week ago or a month ago 3430 04:15:45,279 --> 04:15:51,279 it was one short for your restaurant and you had to go back and spend a bunch 3431 04:15:49,600 --> 04:15:55,600 of time and money to get you won't get me one more parking place 3432 04:15:53,359 --> 04:16:00,159 now that i got this nifty little formula all of a sudden 3433 04:15:58,000 --> 04:16:02,720 no problem you got enough now to run two businesses 3434 04:16:03,120 --> 04:16:05,520 and then 3435 04:16:06,159 --> 04:16:12,880 you want to get you want to get a 3436 04:16:10,880 --> 04:16:18,159 dolphin cruise boat stick it behind there it carries 30 people 3437 04:16:16,640 --> 04:16:22,399 somehow i've got enough parking for that too 3438 04:16:20,239 --> 04:16:25,120 but 30 days ago i was one short for just my restaurant 3439 04:16:25,600 --> 04:16:35,040 now i want to build me a bar open bar that accommodate 200 people 3440 04:16:31,760 --> 04:16:38,560 well guess what that that allows 3441 04:16:36,239 --> 04:16:40,720 that has zero parking requirements for that 3442 04:16:41,120 --> 04:16:48,800 but just 30 days ago i had a development order i had to get one parking place 3443 04:16:46,159 --> 04:16:53,920 somehow somewhere to get my just my restaurant going 3444 04:16:51,680 --> 04:16:53,920 so 3445 04:16:54,319 --> 04:17:01,840 we got a problem but we're the ones breeding it 3446 04:16:59,920 --> 04:17:07,359 we're the ones allowing it and i get the i get the 3447 04:17:04,399 --> 04:17:10,880 i get the shared parking i get that 3448 04:17:08,800 --> 04:17:14,800 just like marina cafe they they open for dinner 3449 04:17:12,720 --> 04:17:18,479 they have a parking they have literary vessels and they use 3450 04:17:16,720 --> 04:17:22,319 that parking all day long until five o'clock and then the restaurant opens up 3451 04:17:20,880 --> 04:17:26,800 and that's i get that i understand it what i don't 3452 04:17:24,880 --> 04:17:31,040 understand is is why the council has adopted a comp plan ldc or whatever that 3453 04:17:29,439 --> 04:17:35,359 says i've got to have so many parking places in my restaurant 3454 04:17:33,040 --> 04:17:39,199 and then all of a sudden i've got 15 pontoon booths and i can come to whip a 3455 04:17:37,680 --> 04:17:42,399 parking study out so why didn't a pencil whip that parking 3456 04:17:40,720 --> 04:17:46,560 study out to start with 3457 04:17:44,720 --> 04:17:50,239 it says you know you don't you only need so many parking places you don't need a 3458 04:17:48,640 --> 04:17:53,840 hundred for your restaurant you only really only need about 60. 3459 04:17:54,319 --> 04:18:00,640 so jimmy got something to add i'd love to 3460 04:17:57,199 --> 04:18:04,880 hear it sure uh if you remember i think you were here uh the night we voted on 3461 04:18:03,199 --> 04:18:09,439 point mezzanine and lewis committed to this council that 3462 04:18:07,520 --> 04:18:15,760 when he brings back the changes because the point that night 3463 04:18:12,720 --> 04:18:20,239 that we brought up was that wait you just added 3464 04:18:17,680 --> 04:18:23,600 all these boats and you didn't add a single parking spot and and you're right 3465 04:18:22,880 --> 04:18:27,600 it's it's on the council he committed to us 3466 04:18:26,159 --> 04:18:32,000 that no when they bring it back the revision and 3467 04:18:29,520 --> 04:18:36,080 maybe miss kopp will or lance will confirm 3468 04:18:34,080 --> 04:18:40,319 that it's going to be in there that if you add a use 3469 04:18:38,080 --> 04:18:43,520 okay you're going to add parking spaces because we're not going to allow another 3470 04:18:41,680 --> 04:18:46,880 condominium or another restaurant or another whatever to be 3471 04:18:45,920 --> 04:18:50,319 built that 3472 04:18:48,479 --> 04:18:55,199 does exactly what you said because what they did is they have the parking spaces 3473 04:18:52,560 --> 04:19:00,000 for that condominium and they had zero for those boats and then and we talked 3474 04:18:57,920 --> 04:19:04,159 about deck cans and we talked about captains and we talked about and he made 3475 04:19:02,239 --> 04:19:09,359 us a promise and i i assume we're all going to hold him 3476 04:19:07,120 --> 04:19:13,760 to the promise he made that night because i know i am 3477 04:19:11,040 --> 04:19:19,120 so i think i sure i think everybody shares your thing but i think i hope 3478 04:19:16,880 --> 04:19:24,640 louis is working hard on that because i'm looking for it it is a part of the 3479 04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:28,159 ldc rewrite that is being taken up yes because they wanted to take up parking 3480 04:19:26,399 --> 04:19:31,760 as a whole and i i appreciate that i knew that the 3481 04:19:30,239 --> 04:19:35,840 outdoor seating was going to be addressed somehow some way 3482 04:19:33,840 --> 04:19:39,120 i didn't know the rest of it but i'm just 3483 04:19:36,720 --> 04:19:41,920 it's beyond me how the council in the past 3484 04:19:40,159 --> 04:19:45,359 approved something like that that it proved one thing and it gave you another 3485 04:19:44,399 --> 04:19:49,359 another option or 3486 04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:52,239 formula to get around it and then they gave you something else 3487 04:19:50,720 --> 04:19:55,520 that just didn't require any parking whatsoever 3488 04:19:54,319 --> 04:19:59,439 but they've always been complaining about parking ain't got enough parking 3489 04:19:58,640 --> 04:20:02,239 you know um 3490 04:20:00,800 --> 04:20:05,520 yeah i'm just i just wanted to share that with the council what i i i want to 3491 04:20:04,080 --> 04:20:09,680 know what's happening and found out and just make sure we were 3492 04:20:07,520 --> 04:20:14,560 we were heading to a solution or trying to i wanted to close those loopholes 3493 04:20:12,720 --> 04:20:18,560 somehow somewhere what's the magic formula i i want to add to what you're 3494 04:20:16,640 --> 04:20:24,080 talking about rodney because you know when uh the city 3495 04:20:21,680 --> 04:20:27,920 did the harbor walk the boardwalk 3496 04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:33,600 they were supposed to provide all the landowners that gave up that 24 feet 3497 04:20:30,880 --> 04:20:38,800 they were they were told that the city was going to provide 3498 04:20:35,000 --> 04:20:43,920 1650 additional parking spaces now all of us sitting here know that means a 3499 04:20:40,800 --> 04:20:48,960 multi-level parking garage across the street as a minimum which we've never 3500 04:20:46,399 --> 04:20:55,199 built and i think that was made back in 2005 2006 right before the grand housing 3501 04:20:53,199 --> 04:20:57,680 collapse and all that become not feasible 3502 04:20:56,319 --> 04:21:01,199 so some of that is generated 3503 04:21:00,159 --> 04:21:05,120 by i don't think anybody intended not to 3504 04:21:02,960 --> 04:21:06,840 live up to that requirements but 3505 04:21:06,000 --> 04:21:11,920 in the meantime what you're talking about is 3506 04:21:09,840 --> 04:21:15,120 probably the biggest problem that since i've been on here and i know 3507 04:21:13,760 --> 04:21:20,399 you've been on here four years longer than me 3508 04:21:16,080 --> 04:21:23,359 that that that has been the issue um our code 3509 04:21:21,760 --> 04:21:27,439 joey that's one of the things he was trying to combat you know for the last 3510 04:21:25,199 --> 04:21:31,359 two years and we still don't have an answer to that and then of course kim i 3511 04:21:29,520 --> 04:21:37,760 guess you could address the issue if we're going to try to go retrospect 3512 04:21:34,800 --> 04:21:41,920 and start holding these original do's to the fire 3513 04:21:39,520 --> 04:21:45,600 where you get where does grandfather coming in where the lawsuits become 3514 04:21:43,920 --> 04:21:49,680 available and what's the city's responsibility for not providing the 3515 04:21:47,199 --> 04:21:53,520 park and they they told those people who gave up those 3516 04:21:51,359 --> 04:21:57,920 part of their land to create the harbor walk how's that all play i mean you know 3517 04:21:56,479 --> 04:22:02,080 if you and lewis come up with some decisions to kind of 3518 04:22:00,159 --> 04:22:05,600 answer rodney's concerns because i think it's it's not just rodney's concern 3519 04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:10,000 everybody on this it seems like that's the moratorium we 3520 04:22:07,279 --> 04:22:10,000 need to come up with 3521 04:22:10,640 --> 04:22:13,520 so would you like to 3522 04:22:16,479 --> 04:22:22,319 that that's a big question and what i'll say is this we're going to 3523 04:22:20,159 --> 04:22:26,880 take up the entire issue of parking when we do the ldc rewrite 3524 04:22:25,120 --> 04:22:31,040 for that section of the code all of this at once in a comprehensive manner is the 3525 04:22:29,120 --> 04:22:35,120 way lewis wanted to approach it with you because if you piecemeal it one thing 3526 04:22:32,720 --> 04:22:37,920 can affect another so why don't we wait till 3527 04:22:36,000 --> 04:22:42,159 we get that it's coming to you in like within 60 days maybe less 3528 04:22:40,239 --> 04:22:45,760 rodney you in your scenarios you were laying out 3529 04:22:43,760 --> 04:22:50,399 um what tools does staff have 3530 04:22:48,080 --> 04:22:54,560 you said that they're only doing what y'all give we have given them 3531 04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:58,239 what are you talking about that that allows them to then open up the pontoon 3532 04:22:56,880 --> 04:23:04,399 and then the um i care so what are you talking about i 3533 04:22:59,920 --> 04:23:08,399 guess lewis referred to some formula for i think steve o'connor can wave it wait 3534 04:23:06,399 --> 04:23:13,120 i can step in a little bit so there's there's multiple ways that you can park 3535 04:23:10,800 --> 04:23:16,640 for multiple uses you have like like stated the shared use or shared parking 3536 04:23:15,279 --> 04:23:20,720 agreement which takes into consideration different 3537 04:23:18,399 --> 04:23:25,120 operating hours of different entities so so like councilman braden said if you 3538 04:23:23,040 --> 04:23:30,000 have a restaurant that opens up at 6 00 p.m and it requires 60 spaces 3539 04:23:28,399 --> 04:23:34,080 you know and you're not utilizing that those 60 spaces 3540 04:23:31,680 --> 04:23:37,359 from you know 8 a.m to 6 p.m 3541 04:23:35,680 --> 04:23:39,359 then they're just sitting there vacant right 3542 04:23:38,159 --> 04:23:45,279 so why not allow another use that operates 3543 04:23:42,239 --> 04:23:48,640 outside of the hours of the restaurant there's also in the in the 3544 04:23:47,840 --> 04:23:52,239 the old town mmtd 3545 04:23:50,720 --> 04:23:56,800 a reduction in parking by 20 3546 04:23:54,239 --> 04:24:02,159 that's written into the mmtd so and then you have your maximum so your 3547 04:23:59,040 --> 04:24:06,159 maximum is in the mnftd is the minimum so say if you're required to have 100 3548 04:24:04,640 --> 04:24:10,640 per the table that's your maximum but you can reduce 3549 04:24:08,239 --> 04:24:15,359 down 20 percent to 80. you know just kind of break that down 3550 04:24:12,720 --> 04:24:19,199 and steve where does the shared parking application come to 3551 04:24:17,359 --> 04:24:22,960 who who's looking over that approving it and reviewing it city 3552 04:24:20,880 --> 04:24:27,760 city staff looks at it and we look for sufficiency and compliance so like 3553 04:24:26,239 --> 04:24:31,279 building department planning planning yeah planning division 3554 04:24:29,920 --> 04:24:34,880 um building divisions part of that review 3555 04:24:33,040 --> 04:24:40,720 engineering is heavily part of that review as well do we have anything to go 3556 04:24:37,279 --> 04:24:44,800 review that every so many years is that i just no is there anything like 3557 04:24:42,800 --> 04:24:48,560 that to go check it out no there's there's nothing that that would really 3558 04:24:46,560 --> 04:24:52,640 require or prompt us to go back and review those shared parking agreements 3559 04:24:51,199 --> 04:24:57,359 unless there's a change of use that happens and there was recently a a 3560 04:24:55,120 --> 04:25:02,239 change of use that came forward to city council with a shared use agreement 3561 04:24:59,920 --> 04:25:06,880 that was approved and it was because the three operations that happened there all 3562 04:25:05,120 --> 04:25:11,120 operated at different hours and they're already over parked but because of the 3563 04:25:10,159 --> 04:25:15,840 the complexity of each use we required them 3564 04:25:14,000 --> 04:25:18,159 to bring that shared but if a restaurant decided to change their hours of 3565 04:25:16,960 --> 04:25:21,359 operation they're not going to come to the city and say here's my change of use 3566 04:25:19,520 --> 04:25:24,800 application right you run that risk so then we potentially need to give you all 3567 04:25:22,880 --> 04:25:28,560 the tools to check into these things every so many months or years just to 3568 04:25:26,640 --> 04:25:32,319 make sure that what you said three years ago is still actually happening down 3569 04:25:30,000 --> 04:25:36,479 there absolutely and there's we run to that rit that's that's just a 3570 04:25:34,000 --> 04:25:38,720 risk of the game so yeah 3571 04:25:40,399 --> 04:25:46,880 i think that's another one that's been brought to everybody's attention 3572 04:25:44,399 --> 04:25:50,880 multiple times with nothing being done whatsoever 3573 04:25:54,080 --> 04:25:58,159 all right been a lively 3574 04:25:57,279 --> 04:26:02,800 night uh i just want to close before i turn uh 3575 04:26:01,199 --> 04:26:06,239 look to our land use attorney city attorney um 3576 04:26:04,640 --> 04:26:10,720 we're getting a lot done i know there's been some issues brought 3577 04:26:08,399 --> 04:26:15,760 up it seemed like we're not but if you really take a a look at what's happened 3578 04:26:12,560 --> 04:26:20,720 over the last 24 months especially we really have done a lot as a city uh 3579 04:26:18,720 --> 04:26:24,159 we've done it with value we've i think some of the things we've 3580 04:26:22,800 --> 04:26:28,960 accomplished we've got pretty good bang for our buck uh we we start talking 3581 04:26:26,560 --> 04:26:33,199 about we're renewing contracts and stuff with our our uh 3582 04:26:31,279 --> 04:26:36,640 you know sheriff and and with waste management stuff like 3583 04:26:34,960 --> 04:26:40,720 that so you know we still got some more work to do but 3584 04:26:38,960 --> 04:26:44,720 the encouraging thing to me that in spite of some of these challenges like 3585 04:26:42,239 --> 04:26:49,120 what mr brain bought up mr schmidt is this city's really moving forward i mean 3586 04:26:46,880 --> 04:26:53,439 at a really good pace we've accomplished a lot we've gone paperless we've started 3587 04:26:51,279 --> 04:26:58,560 a whole bunch of new things we've got beach buyback initiatives crosstown 3588 04:26:55,680 --> 04:27:03,040 connector we're underground and i mean we are moving in the right direction 3589 04:27:00,880 --> 04:27:07,040 it's just a matter with just we just got to stay a little we we got to stay 3590 04:27:05,199 --> 04:27:11,920 focused with passion to to make this better um some people 3591 04:27:09,760 --> 04:27:15,520 complain about the traffic and tourism and they want to talk about all the 3592 04:27:13,439 --> 04:27:20,159 things that we did wrong over the years but the rabbit's out the whole 3593 04:27:18,319 --> 04:27:24,399 so i think this council myself personally i think a lot of people in 3594 04:27:21,600 --> 04:27:29,279 the community now we just need to focus on putting a tuxedo on the rabbit 3595 04:27:26,880 --> 04:27:33,040 and and i think if if that's our goal on a daily basis that we're going to make 3596 04:27:31,279 --> 04:27:36,399 this a better town a better city a better place to live and we're going to 3597 04:27:34,720 --> 04:27:41,439 accomplish some of the things that we all would like to see a a 3598 04:27:38,800 --> 04:27:45,279 good high quality of life for our residents 3599 04:27:42,560 --> 04:27:50,000 a good experience for our vacationers good successful 3600 04:27:46,880 --> 04:27:55,040 profitable businesses in every industry in this community the ones that me and 3601 04:27:52,479 --> 04:28:00,239 dewey participate in the ones that all the support industries destin's 3602 04:27:58,080 --> 04:28:04,000 moving and growing good and and i think as long as we stay 3603 04:28:02,239 --> 04:28:08,479 focused on good growth smart growth if we make that our 3604 04:28:05,840 --> 04:28:13,279 priority and we're fixing all these it's kind of neat that we are talking about 3605 04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:18,080 some of these file these little you know 3606 04:28:14,560 --> 04:28:21,840 sores in our our legislation or our enforcement deal because 3607 04:28:20,159 --> 04:28:26,479 we've really accomplished some of the really big stuff and so now we can start 3608 04:28:24,239 --> 04:28:30,640 fine-tuning and i think you know our city manager and our staff i i think 3609 04:28:28,399 --> 04:28:35,359 they're willing to we sure do need to get a new code enforcement guy 3610 04:28:33,439 --> 04:28:38,239 and that's going to help us we're talking about a problem with joe's bayou 3611 04:28:36,960 --> 04:28:41,359 and we don't even have a director of code enforcement so 3612 04:28:39,920 --> 04:28:45,359 that's going to be kind of tough so i just want to i just wanted to end 3613 04:28:43,359 --> 04:28:49,120 tonight's meeting an encouraging word that i think 3614 04:28:46,960 --> 04:28:53,680 that that we're moving in a really good direction and it just seems to me as an 3615 04:28:51,840 --> 04:28:57,680 observer to the council here that you all are focused on the right things and 3616 04:28:55,840 --> 04:29:02,560 and we're going to make this place a better place to live so you know we had 3617 04:28:59,920 --> 04:29:06,159 a great experience at arbor day you know the season's right around the corner 3618 04:29:04,159 --> 04:29:10,880 we're rewriting our ldc i mean this city's been in effect for almost 36 3619 04:29:08,159 --> 04:29:15,840 years and we're rewriting our ldc we got a zoning map a flume and a 3620 04:29:13,600 --> 04:29:19,279 a new comprehensive plan that's all geared towards what i'm 3621 04:29:17,760 --> 04:29:24,399 talking about is making this a better place to live and that's it's it's it's 3622 04:29:22,479 --> 04:29:28,720 an honor to sit up here with the people that have made that happen and we're not 3623 04:29:26,319 --> 04:29:32,560 done the ldc is being rewrote right now so any any more of these good changes 3624 04:29:30,960 --> 04:29:38,239 that we want to make the next six months is going to be big 3625 04:29:36,159 --> 04:29:41,120 and and our land use attorney and our community development staff is going to 3626 04:29:40,080 --> 04:29:45,840 be very instrumental for us to getting to 3627 04:29:43,680 --> 04:29:49,199 where our visioning sessions want to want to take us so 3628 04:29:47,680 --> 04:29:54,319 anyways i just want to end up on a positive note and we will close with our 3629 04:29:51,920 --> 04:29:57,680 land use attorney and then our city i have nothing thank you 3630 04:29:56,479 --> 04:30:03,359 don't forget no baby yet all right no baby yet and 3631 04:30:01,040 --> 04:30:07,040 i've almost aged a year but one and a half more hours 3632 04:30:05,600 --> 04:30:11,920 okay now i know 3633 04:30:08,560 --> 04:30:15,520 i had a cramp for a while there you go in in the in the in four days we're 3634 04:30:14,000 --> 04:30:18,239 gonna have cinco de mayo we're gonna have 3635 04:30:16,399 --> 04:30:22,800 we've got a lot going on this week so y'all take a deep breath have a good 3636 04:30:19,840 --> 04:30:27,359 week mother's day on sunday guys and before we leave we're gonna have one 3637 04:30:25,359 --> 04:30:32,239 more opportunity for public comment so i'm going to open up home and comment 3638 04:30:28,800 --> 04:30:32,239 right now come forward 3639 04:30:32,800 --> 04:30:38,000 and we are looking for a code enforcement officer male or female 3640 04:30:36,560 --> 04:30:41,920 because i know some strong women out there we could use you if you want to 3641 04:30:39,439 --> 04:30:46,080 come apply we'd like to talk to you mike steiner sea breeze boulevard inlet beach 3642 04:30:44,479 --> 04:30:48,880 gonna continue beating this dead horse a little bit 3643 04:30:47,199 --> 04:30:53,040 i'm gonna just bring something into context since i sounds like multifamily 3644 04:30:51,279 --> 04:30:56,399 is a hot button issue here city of destin 3645 04:30:54,479 --> 04:30:58,880 walton county you name it the demand's there i think we all know 3646 04:30:58,080 --> 04:31:03,439 that supply is not place is growing florida's 3647 04:31:01,760 --> 04:31:07,840 the got the 15th largest economy in the 3648 04:31:05,439 --> 04:31:13,439 world projected population growth from 22 million to 26 million by 2030. 3649 04:31:10,800 --> 04:31:17,040 they're coming like it or not but 3650 04:31:14,159 --> 04:31:20,479 back to this particular adding a different layer to the zoning so 3651 04:31:18,960 --> 04:31:26,880 let's take a 10 acre multifamily site for example 240 3652 04:31:24,399 --> 04:31:32,479 units in this particular zoning right so you're telling me that at a 240 units 3653 04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:35,520 you have to have 60 000 square feet of retail 3654 04:31:33,520 --> 04:31:41,040 on an average project size of 300 000 square feet which is about what 240 3655 04:31:37,760 --> 04:31:45,760 units is okay two palms the the winn-dixie anchored 3656 04:31:43,120 --> 04:31:51,359 shopping center in destin with the with the you know the the adjacent end caps 3657 04:31:49,279 --> 04:31:56,000 90 000 square feet so to build a multi-family project in 3658 04:31:53,600 --> 04:31:59,760 that zoning now you have to have two-thirds of the commercial 3659 04:31:58,319 --> 04:32:04,800 that the palm shopping center that went dixie's anchored by does 3660 04:32:02,720 --> 04:32:08,159 that's the unintended consequence in my opinion i mean that's that's just 3661 04:32:06,399 --> 04:32:11,840 context i was sitting back here thinking about it and 3662 04:32:10,239 --> 04:32:15,760 quite frankly didn't leave because this i'm like wait this is like to understand 3663 04:32:13,600 --> 04:32:20,239 it to put it into perspective that's a lot of retail who's gonna fill it 3664 04:32:18,560 --> 04:32:23,359 it's gonna cost twice as much to build it that means your rents are going to be 3665 04:32:21,920 --> 04:32:26,479 twice as high so who's going to come in and pay rosemary beach rents which i can 3666 04:32:25,199 --> 04:32:30,239 tell you are ninety dollars a square foot or fifty 3667 04:32:28,479 --> 04:32:34,720 dollars a square foot destin doesn't have those rents they'll they might we 3668 04:32:32,800 --> 04:32:37,439 might get there but they're not there today 3669 04:32:35,760 --> 04:32:41,120 so these are the things that you got to think about so this this this decision 3670 04:32:39,600 --> 04:32:43,840 was made based on 3671 04:32:42,479 --> 04:32:48,000 a dream of some really good projects 3672 04:32:46,319 --> 04:32:53,199 but the fact of the matter is that the town centers are 3673 04:32:49,680 --> 04:32:58,159 destined commons and the likes not not a 10 15 acre parcel that's my opinion 3674 04:32:56,239 --> 04:33:00,720 so that's it thanks guys 3675 04:33:01,439 --> 04:33:04,560 anyone else come on up 3676 04:33:07,359 --> 04:33:12,320 try to make this quick my name is tori geil 3677 04:33:13,039 --> 04:33:20,719 i live at 33 country club drive east i'm a business owner i have a 3678 04:33:18,719 --> 04:33:24,799 building contracting roofing contracting and professional engineering business 3679 04:33:22,320 --> 04:33:28,879 off industrial park road i'm also the qualifying agent for dust and roofing 3680 04:33:27,039 --> 04:33:32,799 um some something that i would like to talk about today is and i'm probably a 3681 04:33:31,359 --> 04:33:36,080 little late on this but it's about the uh 3682 04:33:36,959 --> 04:33:43,199 the short crystal beach i'm 3683 04:33:40,320 --> 04:33:48,160 i've been looking at the plans and the on-site productions of 3684 04:33:45,680 --> 04:33:52,400 what's going on there it's a over a 10 million dollar venture 4.4 3685 04:33:50,959 --> 04:33:57,439 million and that's coming from the city of dustin the interlock agreement states 3686 04:33:54,639 --> 04:34:00,719 that tourist development and tax 3687 04:33:58,480 --> 04:34:04,480 is only partially funding it and it's not guaranteed in accordance with 9b and 3688 04:34:02,639 --> 04:34:08,879 9c there's two handicapped place 3689 04:34:06,400 --> 04:34:14,719 parking places 27 golf cart parking places and 40 public i'm respectfully 3690 04:34:11,840 --> 04:34:20,639 requesting the city of destin uh consider putting either local or 3691 04:34:17,439 --> 04:34:23,439 florida tag only parking with the good comes the bad obviously 3692 04:34:22,240 --> 04:34:27,359 there's benefits of tourism and then there's burdens of tourism one of the 3693 04:34:25,119 --> 04:34:31,600 burdens a lot of locals have no beach access no beach 3694 04:34:29,119 --> 04:34:34,879 uh vacationing positions or anywhere to go to enjoy 3695 04:34:32,879 --> 04:34:37,520 and i realize henderson park uh 3696 04:34:35,920 --> 04:34:41,520 is out there as a first-come first-served situation but if 3697 04:34:40,160 --> 04:34:46,240 we're making this investment i respectfully request you consider at 3698 04:34:43,680 --> 04:34:50,080 least dedicating a percentage of those parking places to either destin locals 3699 04:34:49,279 --> 04:34:55,840 or florida tag only because i realize 3700 04:34:52,480 --> 04:34:58,000 okaloosa county is also a 60 contributor of the funding 3701 04:34:57,199 --> 04:35:01,359 but or at least consider that percentage 3702 04:34:59,439 --> 04:35:08,240 whatever parking places you decide if you decide to dedicate make it a 60 40. 3703 04:35:04,240 --> 04:35:12,799 60 florida tag 40 dustin destin local that's all i have 3704 04:35:10,080 --> 04:35:16,000 that's a great idea more 3705 04:35:14,000 --> 04:35:19,600 as a recommendation for mr schmidt which is off a different subject 3706 04:35:18,240 --> 04:35:23,199 the sheriff's okalusa county sheriff's department has a posse program where 3707 04:35:21,359 --> 04:35:26,160 they get a uniform a badge and they can have a firearm they have authority to 3708 04:35:25,119 --> 04:35:30,320 detain and transport maybe you make that a 3709 04:35:28,320 --> 04:35:37,400 prerequisite for the position that that uh chose bayou 3710 04:35:33,119 --> 04:35:37,400 thanks sir anyone else 3711 04:35:41,760 --> 04:35:48,320 that's not the only reason that's all you back there nope you can 3712 04:35:46,639 --> 04:35:52,480 talk to staff i'm like around all the time i'm just not here at this place 3713 04:35:51,199 --> 04:35:54,879 um i just had a couple of things to mention marcy bell three gulf breeze 3714 04:35:53,920 --> 04:35:59,119 court uh i just wanted to me i wanted to state 3715 04:35:57,520 --> 04:36:04,080 that while you haven't seen me here i have definitely been in the buildings 3716 04:36:01,359 --> 04:36:08,879 and i have definitely been sharing my information with everyone by 3717 04:36:07,199 --> 04:36:13,760 email that kind of started back in february 3718 04:36:11,760 --> 04:36:18,959 i was here at a meeting with staff and other members of holiday isle 3719 04:36:16,719 --> 04:36:21,600 and i had asked the question about uh permitting 3720 04:36:20,240 --> 04:36:24,799 and why one of the properties on my street was required to have four permits 3721 04:36:23,760 --> 04:36:28,480 but yeah i had all this other construction going on with no permits 3722 04:36:27,039 --> 04:36:32,000 for other people and at that time i was asked if i could 3723 04:36:30,400 --> 04:36:34,561 give addresses and i did not give addresses at that time 3724 04:36:33,760 --> 04:36:39,520 so that has led me to when there's 3725 04:36:36,320 --> 04:36:43,760 construction i am i'm reporting it because 3726 04:36:41,600 --> 04:36:47,680 the bottom line is is if you see something say something 3727 04:36:45,920 --> 04:36:52,080 what's happening around destin or at least in my purview is that we have 3728 04:36:50,480 --> 04:36:55,279 building going on the building department doesn't know 3729 04:36:53,359 --> 04:37:00,959 about it because they don't come and get building permits and my biggest concern 3730 04:36:58,719 --> 04:37:04,160 is in the town homes and of course i live in one people are going in they're 3731 04:37:02,799 --> 04:37:09,600 doing electrical work they're doing water work uh plumbing work and they are 3732 04:37:07,199 --> 04:37:13,039 possibly removing structural walls and when i'm in a building that i share with 3733 04:37:11,600 --> 04:37:16,480 two other owners if they take out a structural 3734 04:37:15,279 --> 04:37:21,199 wall it could affect my whole building 3735 04:37:19,840 --> 04:37:24,799 i don't want to go to the extent of surfside but i certainly don't want to 3736 04:37:23,039 --> 04:37:29,279 be in my bed sleeping one night when the building decides to fall in on me uh so 3737 04:37:27,760 --> 04:37:32,000 that was one of the reasons that you guys haven't seen me but you hear a lot 3738 04:37:30,959 --> 04:37:36,561 from me um 3739 04:37:33,600 --> 04:37:41,600 i also want to state for the record that i am guilty of the conspiracy theories 3740 04:37:38,959 --> 04:37:45,119 that go around town about this that and the other 3741 04:37:42,400 --> 04:37:50,320 about staff about council about myself about other people like i just want the 3742 04:37:47,680 --> 04:37:55,119 citizens who are watching to know that i am doing everything i can to educate 3743 04:37:53,119 --> 04:37:58,561 myself to know what goes on inside these walls and the only way that i'm figuring 3744 04:37:57,279 --> 04:38:01,359 out what's going on is by having meetings with people 3745 04:37:59,840 --> 04:38:04,639 at the staff level and one of the staff members had made a 3746 04:38:03,119 --> 04:38:09,520 comment to me the other day and they had said that ninety percent of the work 3747 04:38:06,879 --> 04:38:14,561 that goes on at the city goes on outside these chambers meaning it goes 3748 04:38:12,080 --> 04:38:20,000 on in the day-to-day business and if you don't know what's going on in there it's 3749 04:38:16,879 --> 04:38:22,719 really hard to not jump to conclusions that 3750 04:38:20,799 --> 04:38:26,879 somebody doesn't want to do their job or they're not interested or they don't 3751 04:38:24,480 --> 04:38:30,240 care there might be that going on but we also have to give everybody their due 3752 04:38:28,480 --> 04:38:32,480 respect that they're all here to do a job 3753 04:38:33,520 --> 04:38:40,639 and i own it i own my own conspiracy theories about what i have considered in 3754 04:38:38,000 --> 04:38:45,600 the past seven years of my participation like i've i've i own it and the only 3755 04:38:43,199 --> 04:38:49,119 last thing i want to say as you saw me barrel in the door in the middle of this 3756 04:38:47,199 --> 04:38:53,840 meeting was i was at home watching this meeting and you guys were talking about 3757 04:38:51,199 --> 04:38:56,959 the waste management and there was a conversation about 3758 04:38:55,039 --> 04:38:59,920 dedicating those and listen 3759 04:38:58,320 --> 04:39:03,760 i'm not real good at regurgitating a lot of that stuff and i missed part of it 3760 04:39:01,680 --> 04:39:07,760 because i was driving over here so with that being said i just want you 3761 04:39:05,840 --> 04:39:11,119 to know that while you were discussing that this was a tax could be seen as a 3762 04:39:10,160 --> 04:39:16,000 tax that storm water management at this time 3763 04:39:14,160 --> 04:39:20,400 is not included holiday aisle is not included 3764 04:39:18,400 --> 04:39:24,719 not any part of holiday isle from the gulf shore drive i call a holiday aisle 3765 04:39:22,719 --> 04:39:28,959 from the sign behind it the city considers holiday aisle from 3766 04:39:26,561 --> 04:39:32,799 the gulf shore drive 98 cross back 3767 04:39:30,879 --> 04:39:37,840 none of that is included in storm water in the next five to ten year plan 3768 04:39:35,279 --> 04:39:40,958 i voted for that to go through at lpa on thursday night i don't have a problem 3769 04:39:39,280 --> 04:39:45,280 with that but when you start talking about how it's going to be a tax and 3770 04:39:43,200 --> 04:39:49,440 everybody will get the benefit of it not none of holiday iowa will get the 3771 04:39:47,280 --> 04:39:52,638 benefit of anything that's a tax that would go to storm water management in 3772 04:39:50,878 --> 04:39:57,440 that particular case as a side note mr burgess also mentioned 3773 04:39:56,000 --> 04:40:03,200 that they had talked about the swale program so at lpa i also had brought 3774 04:40:00,160 --> 04:40:07,840 this same issue up and was told about the swale situation 3775 04:40:06,320 --> 04:40:12,080 swale program and we talked about that being something 3776 04:40:09,760 --> 04:40:16,000 that would be done out there but that is not storm water management so if you 3777 04:40:14,080 --> 04:40:19,040 want to consider it a tax where that would go across for storm water 3778 04:40:17,360 --> 04:40:23,120 management that does not include holiday aisle 3779 04:40:20,240 --> 04:40:27,680 thank you ma'am appreciate it all right last call for 3780 04:40:25,040 --> 04:40:27,680 alcohol 3781 04:40:28,080 --> 04:40:33,600 because i already need it all right everyone else thank you so much for 3782 04:40:31,920 --> 04:40:39,400 attending the meeting people out there on camera have a blessed night 3783 04:40:36,080 --> 04:40:39,400 meeting adjourned