1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,200 Larry, let's let's try that again. People on YouTube. 2 00:00:03,679 --> 00:00:10,559 » This conditional use permit was originally issued in 2015. This is going 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:15,360 to be an amended conditional use permit. Actually, what's going to happen when we 4 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:20,560 record this is we're going to resend the 2015 conditional use permit. And then 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:25,680 this will be the controlling conditional use permit for that property. 6 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:30,400 Basically, uh, right now the, uh, conditional use permit has a house, a 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:35,120 two-story garage with living quarters, a maintenance building with two living 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:39,760 quarters for on-site caretakers, and then the original one had a meeting and 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:44,559 entertainment center with six bedrooms. The new amended conditional use permit 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:49,920 will change number four to a twounit, 8-bedroom guest quarter structure. 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,280 So that that will replace the meeting and entertainment center which was never 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:58,079 built. >> So we're recommending approval of the 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:02,320 revised conditional use permit subject to the following conditions. 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:06,799 One, that the project be constructed generally as shown on the approved site 15 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:11,439 plan. Two, that the owner obtain a land disturbance permit from the city prior 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:14,960 to issuance of a building permit. Three, that the owner obtain a Pelican River 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:19,600 watershed district permit prior to issuance of a building permit. and four, 18 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,920 that the facilities are for personal use of the property owner and his guests and 19 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:27,600 cannot be rented or leased at any time. And if you read through the application 20 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:31,680 packet, they made that clear that that was their intention. 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,640 And they provided a lot of detailed information in the application. 22 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,560 All right. Uh at this time, I go ahead and open it up for a public comment if 23 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,200 someone wants to any of you would like to address the commission. 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:55,200 If you could state your name and address just for the record. Sure. 25 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:59,119 » I'm Jesse Umall. My address is 30349 Wrigley Circle in Verus. I am the 26 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:03,920 director of residential properties for the Thoraldsons. I've been on the 27 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:08,640 property since 1998. So I've seen all of the transitions that we brought before 28 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:16,160 you before. Um I was with on the last conditional use permit for Mr. Brandt. 29 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:20,080 Um and thes feel that what Ace had put together um his meeting entertainment 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:26,239 center didn't meet the needs of their family. Um so that's why we went and put 31 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:31,680 together a new drawing um for this private residence um for them to meet 32 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:35,040 their family's needs. The property was never 33 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,080 developed for a family. It was more developed for entertainment for one 34 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:43,599 person. >> So this family has seven children. We 35 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:48,000 have 13 grandchildren, more on the way. So, the bedroom space doesn't even um 36 00:02:46,239 --> 00:02:52,560 exist for what we need to meet the family's need. Um this house is in a 37 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:57,519 trust and their intention is that this gets passed on for generations. So, that 38 00:02:54,959 --> 00:03:04,159 is why we'd like to come forward and change the change the permit um to this 39 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:09,440 new structure. um for the previous conditional use permit, we 40 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:14,080 » upgraded our storm water plan to have this structure. So, our our building 41 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:18,000 site is already ready for this structure. We just never were able to 42 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:21,120 achieve it because Mr. Brandt had passed away. 43 00:03:19,519 --> 00:03:26,640 » And I'd be happy to answer any questions from the packet that we submitted um to 44 00:03:23,519 --> 00:03:29,040 you um about the project or the property itself. 45 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:35,319 » Okay. We'll let you know if we have any questions. 46 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,319 » Thank you. Any other public comments? 47 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,159 All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead and uh close the public hearing and I'm 48 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,480 going to open it up to the commission for a discussion 49 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,080 or a motion. 50 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:54,959 » Do do most conditional ones have Oh, fine. 51 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:59,040 Do you have to have time limits on how long your conditional use permit is 52 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:02,560 allowed? They have one year to utilize the 53 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:07,519 permit. So they would have to get a building permit for this project prior 54 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:10,159 to a oneyear elapse. >> Okay. 55 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,200 » Okay. Any other questions or discussion? 56 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:22,880 » I would make a motion to approve the conditional use permit with the um uh 57 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:24,880 restrictions or the guidance from the um staff. 58 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,919 » I'll second. >> All right. We have a motion and a second 59 00:04:26,479 --> 00:04:35,280 to approve the conditional use permit using staff recommendations. Any further 60 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:39,440 discussion on the motion hearing? None. All those in favor say I. 61 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:44,560 » I. Opposed. Same sign. Okay. So, where this will go from here? Uh, this will go 62 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:51,520 to the community development committee coming up on Monday the 63 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,720 » shoot. 9th. Thank you. I was I was thinking 10th, but I know that's the 64 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:58,400 city council meeting. Uh so that'll be at 5:00 in that room back there. You 65 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:02,400 don't have to be there. You're welcome to be there. Then that then the uh the 66 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:06,240 community development committee will discuss and then that'll come to a vote 67 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:09,680 at the city council at 5:00 p.m. in these chambers on Tuesday the 10th and 68 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,639 that's where we'll actually take the action on it, the final action. But this 69 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:18,639 recommendation uh will carry forward to the community development committee. All 70 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:22,800 right. Any questions? All right. Thanks for being here. 71 00:05:20,479 --> 00:05:28,560 » Yeah, absolutely. Um, all right. I'm going to without objection, I'm going to 72 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:35,919 go ahead and move item uh go to item 4B uh consideration to the final plat of 73 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59. Larry, 74 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,800 » this is for the 40 unit conditional use permit. 75 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:43,520 » You have to abstain. >> Yes. 76 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,160 » Well, then we can't take action. >> You can once you have a quorum. 77 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:49,440 » Oh, >> it still stays intact even if somebody 78 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,400 » Okay. >> Sweet. 79 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,440 with that. I forgot about that. Thank you, Larry. 80 00:05:53,120 --> 00:06:00,080 » Yep. >> So, this is for common interest 81 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:06,000 community number 113, Providence Lakes. It's a 40 unit town home development, 82 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:10,400 and staff is recommending final plat approval subject to the following four 83 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:14,560 conditions. One, that the owner obtain any required Pelican River Watershed 84 00:06:12,479 --> 00:06:18,960 District permit prior to issuance of a building permit. Two, that the owner 85 00:06:17,039 --> 00:06:24,240 obtain a land disturbance permit from the city prior to the issuance of any 86 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:28,080 building permit. Three, that the owner provide a common interest community 87 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,720 declaration that is acceptable to the city prior to the city signing the final 88 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:36,560 plat. And that the owner provide a utility easement acceptable to the city 89 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,160 prior to the city signing the final plat. 90 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:44,560 There's been a lot of work going on with the city attorney on that regard and I 91 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:51,880 think they've come very close to getting the declarations and the easements 92 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:51,880 signed. So, we're we're close. 93 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:56,400 » I don't think that's in our packet. >> No, 94 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,840 » the the your recommendations I do not believe are in our packet. 95 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,919 » I'm sorry. I didn't get the uh staff report ready, but I did get a resolution 96 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,199 ready for the council. So, that's where those 97 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:13,840 » Okay. >> conditions came from. Okay. 98 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Uh discussion or a motion from >> I just wanted to clarify 99 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,520 that I mean this is the has this been changed from the original 100 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:26,720 plan? >> The original the original conditional 101 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,599 use permit and plant had 48 units. >> Right. 102 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:33,680 » So they have paired it down to make everything fit. So, 103 00:07:31,599 --> 00:07:38,800 » and if I remember correctly, they were um 104 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,720 like 24 buildings with two units in each building. So, is that changed correct? 105 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:45,919 » That has changed. It's now 20 buildings with 40 units. 106 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,120 » 20 buildings with >> 40 units. 107 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 » Okay. 108 00:07:53,440 --> 00:08:02,800 » Did the MDOT stuff get figured out then? >> The access did get figured out. Yes. 109 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:04,400 They ended up having to put a a bypass lane in, didn't they? 110 00:08:03,599 --> 00:08:10,520 » Yes, correct. >> There is going to be a bypass lane. 111 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:10,520 » There will be a bypass lane. 112 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:17,039 » So, basically everything that the city kind of wanted them to achieve has been 113 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,560 achieved. >> They're doing they're doing everything 114 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:26,800 that we've been asking them to do. >> Okay. 115 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:30,240 I'd make a motion to approve per all the things on that paper that we 116 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,399 don't have in our packet with their >> following the city's staff 117 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,680 recommendations. >> Staff recommendations. 118 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:41,519 » I'll second that. >> All right. We have a motion in a second 119 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:47,680 to approve the final plat for Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59 with the 120 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:54,320 city's uh word I'm looking for now. It's been a 121 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:59,040 long day with the city's uh uh conditions. Thank you. 122 00:08:55,839 --> 00:09:01,200 » Uh any further discussion on the motion? >> Hearing none. All in favor say I. 123 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:05,440 » I. I. >> Post. Same sign. Motion carries. All 124 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:09,600 right, Scott. Same same drill. We'll go through the CDC on the 9th and then city 125 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,839 council on the 10th. >> Thank you. 126 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:17,279 » All right. Thanks for being here. All right, let's go ahead and jump to 4A. 127 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Weber Ford revised site plan. >> That's not in the package. So Weber Ford 128 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:24,720 has decided that instead of a one bay car wash, they're going to have two car 129 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:28,560 wash bays. >> So their site plan has changed. And if 130 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:33,600 you look at the north end of it, you can see the two car wash bays instead of 131 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:37,680 one. And that's the only significant change on the whole site plan. 132 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:42,160 » I'm sorry, Larry, I didn't hear you. >> Weber Ford is changing their site plan 133 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:47,519 because they're adding a second car wash bay. So they need us to approve their 134 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:52,240 revised site plan. And if you look at the north end of the building, you can 135 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:55,839 see that there's two bays of car wash there instead of just one like the 136 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,240 original plan head. >> H 137 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:03,440 » doesn't expand the footprint much. >> I'm it does not just a very modest 138 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,920 change. >> Uh I don't see any staff recommendations 139 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:14,480 in our packet. Staff is recommending approval of the 140 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:19,600 changed site plan for for Weber Ford >> with no different conditions. 141 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:22,240 » No other conditions. This is just for the planning 142 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,600 commission. This won't go to the council. The planning commission needs 143 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,600 to approve the site plan. >> Gotcha. 144 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:35,040 » All right. Any discussion or I'd entertain a motion? 145 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:37,839 I'll make a motion to approve the revised site plan. 146 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:40,720 » Second. >> All right. We have a motion in a second 147 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:46,720 to approve the revised site plan for Weber Ford adding a second uh car wash 148 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:51,200 bay. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. 149 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:56,079 » I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries. Okay. Um does anybody have anything they 150 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,600 would like to bring up for the variance or conditional use status report? 151 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Liz isn't here, so it sounds like we don't. 152 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:08,800 » I know. >> And then Larry, was there anything else 153 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:12,000 that you had? I >> am going to talk about planning 154 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:16,560 commissioner training. If you haven't noticed, you should have an email from 155 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:21,279 the League of Cities telling you about a planning commissioner training course 156 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:24,640 called uh your role in land use decisionmaking. So, 157 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:28,600 » who was that sent by? >> League of Minnesota cities. 158 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:35,040 So, if you don't have that, you'll be getting that and you need to go and log 159 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:42,279 in and take the course. It's a one-hour course and we will be discussing it at 160 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,279 the March Planning Commission meeting. 161 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:46,440 » I don't. 162 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:56,160 » It should be in your city email either yesterday or the day before that. 163 00:11:54,079 --> 00:12:00,079 If you don't have it, let us know and we'll try and get you access to 164 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,240 » just the uh came it looks like it came it's from seismic learning no reply at 165 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:06,880 seismic.com. >> Okay. 166 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:10,639 » And then it says you have on a new account on our learning platform and 167 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:18,839 have been assigned land use regulation your role in land use decisionmaking. 168 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:18,839 » And then it gives you the link to either 169 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:23,040 should have come to our personal emails. your city. 170 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,079 » Your city email. >> I don't have one of those. 171 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:29,600 » I don't access that at all. >> I have one. 172 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:33,680 » I did not know I had one. >> Okay. So, you have two tasks before the 173 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:36,079 March meeting. One is to call IT support and get access to your city email and 174 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:40,240 then >> I used to have an iPad, but I it was so 175 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:43,839 complicated because it wasn't >> it wasn't an iPad. It was 176 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,839 » Oh my gosh. No. >> I think they gave them out like last 177 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,600 fall. >> They did. I I'll be upfront. I didn't 178 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,639 really start using mine until I until I was on the city council. even though I 179 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:57,920 had it and then I had a real reason but now Larry's giving us a real reason. 180 00:12:55,519 --> 00:13:00,240 » I just email is that good or bad >> to have the emails depends on your 181 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,440 perspective >> change from the city email to personal 182 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,079 email. >> Um the city prefers that they're in the 183 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:13,440 city email so you can control what's coming in and going out of those emails. 184 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:16,959 » It's probably wise that you segregate those things too. 185 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,959 » I need to have a re a course on getting >> by all means Dylan. I was looking at 186 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,360 you. >> What can they do? Can they come in? 187 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:28,320 » So, you could either come in and meet with Dwayne Krauss. He's our IT guy. Or 188 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:33,519 I can give you his phone number. >> Well, I mean, I know I had it, but when 189 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:36,000 I turned in the iPad or the pad >> I stopped using it. 190 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:40,279 » If you want to give him a call, I'll give you his phone number. It's 191 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:40,279 21846142. 192 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,519 And that's his direct 193 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:56,680 and he's a nice guy. >> He's a really nice guy. 194 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,120 » He'll go out of his way to make sure that you've got what you need. 195 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:05,440 » Blame. >> So, Dylan, would you mind giving us a 196 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,040 quick overview on why we might want to use our city accounts instead of 197 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:14,160 personal accounts for this business? >> Absolutely. So, uh just a kind of quick 198 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:19,199 and dirty is there's a thing called the data practice act. Um if somebody makes 199 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:26,560 a data practice act request um they are in that following a a litany 200 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:32,800 of rules they are able to access um information that would be city related. 201 00:14:29,839 --> 00:14:38,160 If you keep city related material on your private email your private email 202 00:14:35,839 --> 00:14:40,880 becomes accessible which means that if you have things on your private email 203 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:45,760 that maybe you don't want the world to see guess what it's now the world gets 204 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:50,320 to see. Um, >> ask Hillary, 205 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:57,279 » right? So, um, basically you want to keep your city stuff on a city email so 206 00:14:53,120 --> 00:15:01,839 that your city email is ac gets when it gets accessed um, they get to see that. 207 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:06,480 Vice versa, you probably don't want your personal stuff on your city email 208 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:11,440 because then your city email is accessible to the public and the public 209 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,839 gets to see whatever personal stuff you have on your city email as well. Now, I 210 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,920 will tell you, you can get the Outlook client right on your phone and it work 211 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:24,240 functions just like Gmail or any of the others and use that for your city email 212 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:27,199 and that's all stays on the server. >> Well, that's where it was Outlook, but I 213 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,880 mean I never looked at it. >> Yeah, I just I have it on here and and 214 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:34,800 that's how I check my city email on the fly is is using that Outlook client and 215 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,240 it keeps it all on the server and through the city's stuff and that way 216 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:42,880 I'm not dealing with my personal stuff. There's also they can if you have it on 217 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:48,079 your phone, they can try to pull your phone into a court case too if it should 218 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:52,399 go that way your if it's your personal phone. So 219 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:54,160 » according to it, so just >> it's always a risk. 220 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,639 » Yep. >> There's a there's a there's a a balance 221 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,759 to be had there, right? >> What you're saying is best not to access 222 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:06,880 it from your phone. >> What she's saying is it's best not to 223 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:10,800 access it at all. Yeah, >> it it is best practice to keep doing 224 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:16,000 that's what I've been doing. >> It's best practice to keep it as 225 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:19,759 separate as as possible, but obviously you're not going to be able to separate 226 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:26,639 it entirely, right? You have to access your city email from something. Um and 227 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,800 uh you can theoretically, you know, an individual can theoretically try to make 228 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:35,920 an argument that because you accessed it from your personal phone or from your 229 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:40,959 personal laptop that the other material might be accessible, but your arguments 230 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:44,800 get a lot better. Your arguments are pretty good if you keep them separate. 231 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:49,199 » You know, which is why like that was one of the discussions that we had early on 232 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:54,720 was using that Outlook client actually does keep everything on the server. So, 233 00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:58,880 it's it's a little harder to argue that I mean, it's not impossible, but it's a 234 00:16:56,399 --> 00:17:04,120 little harder to argue that there was stuff being stored locally. 235 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,120 » Y, 236 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:10,799 » that makes sense. >> Okay. Anything else from the staff? 237 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:14,240 » Nothing else. >> Anything else from the lawyer? 238 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:18,559 » No. >> Anything from any of the commissioners? 239 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:22,880 » Sorry for being late. >> No worries. I'm happy you're here. You 240 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,520 don't need to be sorry. All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and call this 241 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:31,120 meeting adjourned. Thank you. >> Thank you, 242 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,120 » Larry. I got a question for you.