[0:00] Larry, let's let's try that again.
People on YouTube.
[0:03] » This conditional use permit was
originally issued in 2015. This is going
[0:08] to be an amended conditional use permit.
Actually, what's going to happen when we
[0:13] record this is we're going to resend the
2015 conditional use permit. And then
[0:18] this will be the controlling conditional
use permit for that property.
[0:23] Basically, uh, right now the, uh,
conditional use permit has a house, a
[0:27] two-story garage with living quarters, a
maintenance building with two living
[0:32] quarters for on-site caretakers, and
then the original one had a meeting and
[0:37] entertainment center with six bedrooms.
The new amended conditional use permit
[0:41] will change number four to a twounit,
8-bedroom guest quarter structure.
[0:48] So that that will replace the meeting
and entertainment center which was never
[0:51] built.
>> So we're recommending approval of the
[0:55] revised conditional use permit subject
to the following conditions.
[1:00] One, that the project be constructed
generally as shown on the approved site
[1:04] plan. Two, that the owner obtain a land
disturbance permit from the city prior
[1:08] to issuance of a building permit. Three,
that the owner obtain a Pelican River
[1:13] watershed district permit prior to
issuance of a building permit. and four,
[1:17] that the facilities are for personal use
of the property owner and his guests and
[1:21] cannot be rented or leased at any time.
And if you read through the application
[1:25] packet, they made that clear that that
was their intention.
[1:29] And they provided a lot of detailed
information in the application.
[1:36] All right. Uh at this time, I go ahead
and open it up for a public comment if
[1:40] someone wants to any of you would like
to address the commission.
[1:49] If you could state your name and address
just for the record. Sure.
[1:52] » I'm Jesse Umall. My address is 30349
Wrigley Circle in Verus. I am the
[1:57] director of residential properties for
the Thoraldsons. I've been on the
[2:00] property since 1998. So I've seen all of
the transitions that we brought before
[2:05] you before. Um I was with on the last
conditional use permit for Mr. Brandt.
[2:11] Um and thes feel that what Ace had put
together um his meeting entertainment
[2:18] center didn't meet the needs of their
family. Um so that's why we went and put
[2:23] together a new drawing um for this
private residence um for them to meet
[2:29] their family's needs. The property was
never
[2:33] developed for a family. It was more
developed for entertainment for one
[2:37] person.
>> So this family has seven children. We
[2:41] have 13 grandchildren, more on the way.
So, the bedroom space doesn't even um
[2:46] exist for what we need to meet the
family's need. Um this house is in a
[2:50] trust and their intention is that this
gets passed on for generations. So, that
[2:54] is why we'd like to come forward and
change the change the permit um to this
[3:00] new structure. um for the previous
conditional use permit, we
[3:07] » upgraded our storm water plan to have
this structure. So, our our building
[3:12] site is already ready for this
structure. We just never were able to
[3:16] achieve it because Mr. Brandt had passed
away.
[3:19] » And I'd be happy to answer any questions
from the packet that we submitted um to
[3:23] you um about the project or the property
itself.
[3:27] » Okay. We'll let you know if we have any
questions.
[3:30] » Thank you. Any other public comments?
[3:35] All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead
and uh close the public hearing and I'm
[3:39] going to open it up to the commission
for a discussion
[3:43] or a motion.
[3:47] » Do do most conditional ones have Oh,
fine.
[3:52] Do you have to have time limits on how
long your conditional use permit is
[3:56] allowed?
They have one year to utilize the
[4:01] permit. So they would have to get a
building permit for this project prior
[4:04] to a oneyear elapse.
>> Okay.
[4:08] » Okay.
Any other questions or discussion?
[4:14] » I would make a motion to approve the
conditional use permit with the um uh
[4:20] restrictions or the guidance from the um
staff.
[4:24] » I'll second.
>> All right. We have a motion and a second
[4:26] to approve the conditional use permit
using staff recommendations. Any further
[4:33] discussion on the motion hearing? None.
All those in favor say I.
[4:36] » I. Opposed. Same sign. Okay. So, where
this will go from here? Uh, this will go
[4:42] to the community development committee
coming up on Monday the
[4:48] » shoot. 9th. Thank you. I was I was
thinking 10th, but I know that's the
[4:52] city council meeting. Uh so that'll be
at 5:00 in that room back there. You
[4:57] don't have to be there. You're welcome
to be there. Then that then the uh the
[5:00] community development committee will
discuss and then that'll come to a vote
[5:04] at the city council at 5:00 p.m. in
these chambers on Tuesday the 10th and
[5:08] that's where we'll actually take the
action on it, the final action. But this
[5:12] recommendation uh will carry forward to
the community development committee. All
[5:16] right. Any questions? All right. Thanks
for being here.
[5:20] » Yeah, absolutely. Um, all right. I'm
going to without objection, I'm going to
[5:24] go ahead and move item uh go to item 4B
uh consideration to the final plat of
[5:30] Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59.
Larry,
[5:37] » this is for the 40 unit conditional use
permit.
[5:39] » You have to abstain.
>> Yes.
[5:41] » Well, then we can't take action.
>> You can once you have a quorum.
[5:45] » Oh,
>> it still stays intact even if somebody
[5:48] » Okay.
>> Sweet.
[5:50] with that. I forgot about that. Thank
you, Larry.
[5:53] » Yep.
>> So, this is for common interest
[5:57] community number 113, Providence Lakes.
It's a 40 unit town home development,
[6:03] and staff is recommending final plat
approval subject to the following four
[6:08] conditions. One, that the owner obtain
any required Pelican River Watershed
[6:12] District permit prior to issuance of a
building permit. Two, that the owner
[6:17] obtain a land disturbance permit from
the city prior to the issuance of any
[6:21] building permit. Three, that the owner
provide a common interest community
[6:26] declaration that is acceptable to the
city prior to the city signing the final
[6:30] plat. And that the owner provide a
utility easement acceptable to the city
[6:34] prior to the city signing the final
plat.
[6:38] There's been a lot of work going on with
the city attorney on that regard and I
[6:42] think they've come very close to getting
the declarations and the easements
[6:47] signed. So, we're we're close.
[6:52] » I don't think that's in our packet.
>> No,
[6:54] » the the your recommendations I do not
believe are in our packet.
[6:57] » I'm sorry. I didn't get the uh staff
report ready, but I did get a resolution
[7:02] ready for the council. So, that's where
those
[7:04] » Okay.
>> conditions came from. Okay.
[7:08] Uh discussion or a motion from
>> I just wanted to clarify
[7:16] that I mean this is the
has this been changed from the original
[7:21] plan?
>> The original the original conditional
[7:24] use permit and plant had 48 units.
>> Right.
[7:27] » So they have paired it down to make
everything fit. So,
[7:31] » and if I remember correctly, they were
um
[7:35] like 24 buildings with two units in each
building. So, is that changed correct?
[7:40] » That has changed. It's now 20 buildings
with 40 units.
[7:44] » 20 buildings with
>> 40 units.
[7:47] » Okay.
[7:53] » Did the MDOT stuff get figured out then?
>> The access did get figured out. Yes.
[8:00] They ended up having to put a a bypass
lane in, didn't they?
[8:03] » Yes, correct.
>> There is going to be a bypass lane.
[8:06] » There will be a bypass lane.
[8:12] » So, basically everything that the city
kind of wanted them to achieve has been
[8:16] achieved.
>> They're doing they're doing everything
[8:18] that we've been asking them to do.
>> Okay.
[8:22] I'd make a motion to approve per
all the things on that paper that we
[8:28] don't have in our packet with their
>> following the city's staff
[8:31] recommendations.
>> Staff recommendations.
[8:34] » I'll second that.
>> All right. We have a motion in a second
[8:37] to approve the final plat for Providence
Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59 with the
[8:45] city's
uh word I'm looking for now. It's been a
[8:51] long day with the city's uh uh
conditions. Thank you.
[8:55] » Uh any further discussion on the motion?
>> Hearing none. All in favor say I.
[9:00] » I. I.
>> Post. Same sign. Motion carries. All
[9:03] right, Scott. Same same drill. We'll go
through the CDC on the 9th and then city
[9:08] council on the 10th.
>> Thank you.
[9:10] » All right. Thanks for being here. All
right, let's go ahead and jump to 4A.
[9:14] Weber Ford revised site plan.
>> That's not in the package. So Weber Ford
[9:19] has decided that instead of a one bay
car wash, they're going to have two car
[9:23] wash bays.
>> So their site plan has changed. And if
[9:26] you look at the north end of it, you can
see the two car wash bays instead of
[9:30] one. And that's the only significant
change on the whole site plan.
[9:35] » I'm sorry, Larry, I didn't hear you.
>> Weber Ford is changing their site plan
[9:40] because they're adding a second car wash
bay. So they need us to approve their
[9:44] revised site plan. And if you look at
the north end of the building, you can
[9:49] see that there's two bays of car wash
there instead of just one like the
[9:53] original plan head.
>> H
[9:56] » doesn't expand the footprint much.
>> I'm it does not just a very modest
[10:01] change.
>> Uh I don't see any staff recommendations
[10:05] in our packet.
Staff is recommending approval of the
[10:10] changed site plan for for Weber Ford
>> with no different conditions.
[10:16] » No other conditions.
This is just for the planning
[10:21] commission. This won't go to the
council. The planning commission needs
[10:23] to approve the site plan.
>> Gotcha.
[10:28] » All right. Any discussion or I'd
entertain a motion?
[10:33] I'll make a motion to approve the
revised site plan.
[10:37] » Second.
>> All right. We have a motion in a second
[10:39] to approve the revised site plan for
Weber Ford adding a second uh car wash
[10:44] bay. Any discussion on the motion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I.
[10:48] » I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries.
Okay. Um does anybody have anything they
[10:54] would like to bring up for the variance
or conditional use status report?
[11:02] Liz isn't here, so it sounds like we
don't.
[11:04] » I know.
>> And then Larry, was there anything else
[11:07] that you had? I
>> am going to talk about planning
[11:10] commissioner training. If you haven't
noticed, you should have an email from
[11:14] the League of Cities telling you about a
planning commissioner training course
[11:18] called uh your role in land use
decisionmaking. So,
[11:23] » who was that sent by?
>> League of Minnesota cities.
[11:29] So, if you don't have that, you'll be
getting that and you need to go and log
[11:32] in and take the course. It's a one-hour
course and we will be discussing it at
[11:37] the March Planning Commission meeting.
[11:43] » I don't.
[11:48] » It should be in your city email either
yesterday or the day before that.
[11:54] If you don't have it, let us know and
we'll try and get you access to
[11:58] » just the uh came it looks like it came
it's from seismic learning no reply at
[12:02] seismic.com.
>> Okay.
[12:04] » And then it says you have on a new
account on our learning platform and
[12:08] have been assigned land use regulation
your role in land use decisionmaking.
[12:13] » And then it gives you the link to either
[12:18] should have come to our personal emails.
your city.
[12:21] » Your city email.
>> I don't have one of those.
[12:24] » I don't access that at all.
>> I have one.
[12:27] » I did not know I had one.
>> Okay. So, you have two tasks before the
[12:31] March meeting. One is to call IT support
and get access to your city email and
[12:35] then
>> I used to have an iPad, but I it was so
[12:38] complicated because it wasn't
>> it wasn't an iPad. It was
[12:41] » Oh my gosh. No.
>> I think they gave them out like last
[12:45] fall.
>> They did. I I'll be upfront. I didn't
[12:47] really start using mine until I until I
was on the city council. even though I
[12:50] had it and then I had a real reason but
now Larry's giving us a real reason.
[12:55] » I just email is that good or bad
>> to have the emails depends on your
[12:59] perspective
>> change from the city email to personal
[13:02] email.
>> Um the city prefers that they're in the
[13:05] city email so you can control what's
coming in and going out of those emails.
[13:10] » It's probably wise that you segregate
those things too.
[13:14] » I need to have a re a course on getting
>> by all means Dylan. I was looking at
[13:18] you.
>> What can they do? Can they come in?
[13:20] » So, you could either come in and meet
with Dwayne Krauss. He's our IT guy. Or
[13:26] I can give you his phone number.
>> Well, I mean, I know I had it, but when
[13:30] I turned in the iPad or the pad
>> I stopped using it.
[13:34] » If you want to give him a call, I'll
give you his phone number. It's
[13:37] 21846142.
[13:42] And that's his direct
[13:50] and he's a nice guy.
>> He's a really nice guy.
[13:56] » He'll go out of his way to make sure
that you've got what you need.
[13:59] » Blame.
>> So, Dylan, would you mind giving us a
[14:03] quick overview on why we might want to
use our city accounts instead of
[14:07] personal accounts for this business?
>> Absolutely. So, uh just a kind of quick
[14:12] and dirty is there's a thing called the
data practice act. Um if somebody makes
[14:16] a data practice act request
um they are in that following a a litany
[14:23] of rules they are able to access um
information that would be city related.
[14:29] If you keep city related material on
your private email your private email
[14:35] becomes accessible which means that if
you have things on your private email
[14:39] that maybe you don't want the world to
see guess what it's now the world gets
[14:43] to see. Um,
>> ask Hillary,
[14:47] » right? So, um, basically you want to
keep your city stuff on a city email so
[14:53] that your city email is ac gets when it
gets accessed um, they get to see that.
[15:00] Vice versa, you probably don't want your
personal stuff on your city email
[15:03] because then your city email is
accessible to the public and the public
[15:09] gets to see whatever personal stuff you
have on your city email as well. Now, I
[15:13] will tell you, you can get the Outlook
client right on your phone and it work
[15:18] functions just like Gmail or any of the
others and use that for your city email
[15:22] and that's all stays on the server.
>> Well, that's where it was Outlook, but I
[15:25] mean I never looked at it.
>> Yeah, I just I have it on here and and
[15:29] that's how I check my city email on the
fly is is using that Outlook client and
[15:33] it keeps it all on the server and
through the city's stuff and that way
[15:36] I'm not dealing with my personal stuff.
There's also they can if you have it on
[15:40] your phone, they can try to pull your
phone into a court case too if it should
[15:45] go that way your if it's your personal
phone. So
[15:49] » according to it, so just
>> it's always a risk.
[15:53] » Yep.
>> There's a there's a there's a a balance
[15:57] to be had there, right?
>> What you're saying is best not to access
[16:00] it from your phone.
>> What she's saying is it's best not to
[16:03] access it at all. Yeah,
>> it it is best practice to keep doing
[16:09] that's what I've been doing.
>> It's best practice to keep it as
[16:12] separate as as possible, but obviously
you're not going to be able to separate
[16:17] it entirely, right? You have to access
your city email from something. Um and
[16:24] uh you can theoretically, you know, an
individual can theoretically try to make
[16:29] an argument that because you accessed it
from your personal phone or from your
[16:32] personal laptop that the other material
might be accessible, but your arguments
[16:38] get a lot better. Your arguments are
pretty good if you keep them separate.
[16:43] » You know, which is why like that was one
of the discussions that we had early on
[16:47] was using that Outlook client actually
does keep everything on the server. So,
[16:51] it's it's a little harder to argue that
I mean, it's not impossible, but it's a
[16:56] little harder to argue that there was
stuff being stored locally.
[17:01] » Y,
[17:04] » that makes sense.
>> Okay. Anything else from the staff?
[17:09] » Nothing else.
>> Anything else from the lawyer?
[17:12] » No.
>> Anything from any of the commissioners?
[17:17] » Sorry for being late.
>> No worries. I'm happy you're here. You
[17:20] don't need to be sorry. All right. Well,
with that, we'll go ahead and call this
[17:24] meeting adjourned. Thank you.
>> Thank you,
[17:26] » Larry. I got a question for you.